2014-02-04 05:40 <Misterblue> if it's php errors about not being a resourse, they are the same I got... there is a reference to irc.freenode.net at the top
2014-02-04 05:41 <Guest75985> Starting build #3288 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #3284 2 hr 37 min ago)
2014-02-04 05:41 <Misterblue> I added a --no-objects for Melanie_T so you can load terrain separately from the objects 
2014-02-04 05:41 <nebadon_laptop> ok I think i need to fix another file
2014-02-04 05:41 <nebadon_laptop> let me try few more things 1 sec
2014-02-04 05:41 <Guest75985> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3288: STILL FAILING in 42 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3288/
2014-02-04 05:41 <Guest75985> nebadon2025: test again undoing previous changes
2014-02-04 05:41 <nebadon_laptop> before i do this let me check with freenode staff
2014-02-04 05:41 <nebadon_laptop> see what kind of drugs they are on
2014-02-04 05:41 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-02-04 05:41 <Misterblue> let me look at jenkins... the build is failing
2014-02-04 05:47 <Misterblue> there are some compile errors in XBakesModule.cs
2014-02-04 05:48 <nebadon_laptop> ok someone gave me a good suggestion on #freenode
2014-02-04 05:48 <nebadon_laptop> but i am not sure I can actually do it
2014-02-04 05:48 <nebadon_laptop> can host file be used to point one domain to another?
2014-02-04 05:48 <nebadon_laptop> Melanie_T ? or any other linux / dns / host file gurus alive?
2014-02-04 05:48 <cmickeyb> Misterblue, do i need to save the oar differently?
2014-02-04 05:49 <cmickeyb> still getting borked terrain
2014-02-04 05:49 <nebadon_laptop> i need to make irc.freenode.net point to chat.freenode.net
2014-02-04 05:49 <nebadon_laptop> via /etc/host file
2014-02-04 05:49 <Misterblue> cmickeyb: the terrain in the OAR file you gave me this morning was saved correctly, the reader was what was broken
2014-02-04 05:50 <Misterblue> I tested it by loading your oar file into a standalone 1024x1024 region with the latest master sources
2014-02-04 05:50 <cmickeyb> i just loaded an oar on a region built from master
2014-02-04 05:50 <cmickeyb> same result
2014-02-04 05:50 <cmickeyb> i'll pull again
2014-02-04 05:50 <cmickeyb> but i'm picking up nebadon's tests
2014-02-04 05:51 <nebadon_laptop> ya sorry trying to resolve this
2014-02-04 05:51 <nebadon_laptop> i was going to do another test real quick
2014-02-04 05:51 <nebadon_laptop> i think i might have a good bandaid
2014-02-04 05:51 <nebadon_laptop> but I can wait if you need cmickeyb
2014-02-04 05:51 <cmickeyb> no
2014-02-04 05:51 <cmickeyb> i'm just trying to test Misterblue's oar fixes
2014-02-04 05:51 <cmickeyb> and i'm still having problems
2014-02-04 05:52 <Misterblue> I have something to check in, nebadon_laptop... do you need testing?
2014-02-04 05:52 <nebadon_laptop> sure give it a shot
2014-02-04 05:52 <nebadon_laptop> man freenode is so screwed up at the moment heh
2014-02-04 05:52 <nebadon_laptop> not good
2014-02-04 05:53 <Misterblue> nope... same errors
2014-02-04 05:53 <Guest75985> Starting build #3289 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #3284 2 hr 49 min ago)
2014-02-04 05:53 <nebadon_laptop> blah
2014-02-04 05:53 <cmickeyb> oh
2014-02-04 05:53 <cmickeyb> i see...
2014-02-04 05:53 <cmickeyb> i'm getting compile errors in the bake code
2014-02-04 05:54 <cmickeyb> Melanie_T, is there yours?
2014-02-04 05:54 <cmickeyb> Avatar/BakedTextures/XBakesModule.cs(152,17): error CS0127: `OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.Avatar.BakedTextures.XBakesModule.Store(OpenMetaverse.UUID, OpenSim.Framework.WearableCacheItem[])': A return keyword must not be followed by any expression when method returns void
2014-02-04 05:55 <Melanie_T> owww
2014-02-04 05:55 <Misterblue> I just checked in a fix for that
2014-02-04 05:55 <cmickeyb> hmm...
2014-02-04 05:55 <Misterblue> there was a 'return void' in a void function
2014-02-04 05:55 <cmickeyb> the last commit i have is the one a couple minutes ago from nebadon
2014-02-04 05:56 <cmickeyb> "test again undoing previous changes"
2014-02-04 05:56 <Misterblue> let's see if the build completes
2014-02-04 05:56 <cmickeyb> do you have one since then?
2014-02-04 05:56 <nebadon_laptop> im not sure we can fix this problem
2014-02-04 05:56 <nebadon_laptop> i think i see what is wrong
2014-02-04 05:56 <Melanie_T> yo mean a return null;
2014-02-04 05:56 <Melanie_T> yes, c&p error
2014-02-04 05:56 <Misterblue> yes... at 21:53
2014-02-04 05:56 <nebadon_laptop> I think the irc bot thing is reliant on chanserv and messages
2014-02-04 05:56 <nebadon_laptop> which might not be responding properly
2014-02-04 05:56 <Melanie_T> and i had to get off this machine so i figured it was too trivial to compile before push
2014-02-04 05:56 <Melanie_T> someone was waiting for it
2014-02-04 05:56 <Melanie_T> sorry
2014-02-04 05:57 <Guest75985> Yippie, build fixed!
2014-02-04 05:57 <Guest75985> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3289: FIXED in 3 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3289/
2014-02-04 05:57 <Guest75985> misterblue: Remove compile error from returning value in void function
2014-02-04 05:57 <Misterblue> all fixed
2014-02-04 05:57 <Misterblue> nebadon_laptop: guess we'll have to wait for freenode to get itself back together again
2014-02-04 05:58 <nebadon_laptop> ya im guessing so
2014-02-04 05:58 <nebadon_laptop> what a mess
2014-02-04 05:58 <nebadon_laptop> #freenode is like chaos right now
2014-02-04 05:58 <nebadon_laptop> everyone is freaking out lol
2014-02-04 05:59 <nebadon_laptop> apparantly some servers are still being DDoS'd
2014-02-04 05:59 <nebadon_laptop> irc.freenode.net doesnt resolve to same addresses that chat.freenode.net does
2014-02-04 05:59 <nebadon_laptop> looks like irc.freenode.net was the target of the attack
2014-02-04 06:00 <nebadon_laptop> amazing osmantis works
2014-02-04 06:00 <nebadon_laptop> that script is such a bitch most of the time
2014-02-04 06:00 <nebadon_laptop> wonder if it actually works though
2014-02-04 06:01 <cmickeyb> Misterblue, works now... since the build failed i was running old code
2014-02-04 06:01 <cmickeyb> thanks!
2014-02-04 06:07 <nebadon_laptop> ok well very sorry about that, if you can make it point to chat.freenode.net
2014-02-04 06:07 <Melanie_T> change one thing, fuck up the rest
2014-02-04 06:07 <Guest75985> Starting build #3290 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2014-02-04 06:07 <Melanie_T> i made it point there the first time i did it
2014-02-04 06:07 <Melanie_T> then you rebroke it
2014-02-04 06:07 <nebadon_laptop> well git was freaking out before i touched
2014-02-04 06:07 <Melanie_T> that directory name does NOT determine the URL
2014-02-04 06:07 <Melanie_T> the URL is in a script elsewhere
2014-02-04 06:07 <nebadon_laptop> it was spewing errors on push
2014-02-04 06:07 <Melanie_T> then you should tell me
2014-02-04 06:07 <Melanie_T> not monkey with it
2014-02-04 06:08 <nebadon_laptop> ok :)
2014-02-04 06:08 <Melanie_T> this thing is pretty brittle
2014-02-04 06:08 <nebadon_laptop> i am sorry
2014-02-04 06:08 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-02-04 06:09 <Melanie_T> it's about 10 directories and 20 or so scripts
2014-02-04 06:09 <Melanie_T> didn't you even wonder why i chose to put in a symlink rather than rename?
2014-02-04 06:09 <Melanie_T> because rename _doesn't work_
2014-02-04 06:09 <Melanie_T> ok, off irc again
2014-02-04 06:09 <nebadon_laptop> yes i see that now sorry :(
2014-02-04 06:10 <Melanie_T> i did the proper fix now - the one before, making it world-everything, was a stopgap measure
2014-02-04 06:10 <Melanie_T> because, as i said, i really need to be on another box now
2014-02-04 06:11 <Melanie_T> ok, off irc again
2014-02-04 06:11 <Guest75985> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3290: SUCCESS in 3 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3290/
2014-02-04 06:11 <Guest75985> melanie: Bot test
2014-02-04 06:11 <Guest75985> Starting build #3291 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-04 06:11 <nebadon_laptop> 
ACTION punishes himself

2014-02-04 06:11 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-02-04 06:14 <Guest75985> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3291: SUCCESS in 3 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3291/
2014-02-04 06:15 <Guest75985> melanie: Remove the added whitespace, test concluded
2014-02-04 06:17 <nebadon_laptop> anyone have a varregion on osgrid?
2014-02-04 06:17 <nebadon_laptop> Misterblue?
2014-02-04 06:18 <nebadon_laptop> :( i need a varregion that is hypergrid accessible
2014-02-04 06:28 <dahlia> nebadon, "dahliavar" on osgrid
2014-02-04 06:29 <dahlia> nebadon_laptop: 
2014-02-04 06:29 <nebadon_laptop> thank
2014-02-04 06:29 <nebadon_laptop> turns out it doesnt need to be a varregion just running latest code
2014-02-04 06:30 <dahlia> oh well yesterday sometime
2014-02-04 06:30 <dahlia> or day before, cant remember
2014-02-04 10:55 <osmantis> Bug #6996:04 [XBakes]: missing config in Robust.HG.ini.example and missing " on end of connector line 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6996 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-04 10:56 <osmantis> Bug #6996:04 [XBakes]: missing config in Robust.HG.ini.example and missing " on end of connector line 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6996 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-02-04 11:06 <djphil> The Materials are already active in OpenSim 0.7.5.1 ?
2014-02-04 11:06 <djphil> and in OpenSim v0.7.6.1 ?
2014-02-04 13:08 <osmantis> Bug #6997:04 osMessageAttachments raises dataserver event only in the root prim of an attached linkset (intended?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6997 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-04 13:10 <osmantis> Bug #6997:04 osMessageAttachments raises dataserver event only in the root prim of an attached linkset (intended?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6997 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-04 15:11 <osmantis> Bug #6996:04 [XBakes]: missing config in Robust.HG.ini.example and missing " on end of connector line 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6996 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-02-04 15:11 <osmantis> Bug #6987:04 Very high process memory consumption from mesh attachments (and mesh in general) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6987 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-02-04 15:14 <osmantis> Bug #6969:04 Fix remote suitcase root request 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6969 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-02-04 16:10 <osmantis> Bug #6997:04 osMessageAttachments raises dataserver event only in the root prim of an attached linkset (intended?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6997 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-04 16:35 <osmantis> Bug #6987:04 Very high process memory consumption from mesh attachments (and mesh in general) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6987 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-04 18:40 <RiRa> ping misterblue
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2014-02-05 00:07 <osmantis> Bug #6986:04 [PATCH] Logging in to home or last location always sends avatar to some other fixed location 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6986 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-02-05 01:33 <osmantis> Bug #6121:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams, llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast, llGetLinkPrimitiveParams do not work on avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6121 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-05 09:59 <djphil> OpenSim v0.7.6.1 and 0.7.5.1 include already materials ?
2014-02-05 10:10 <djphil> it seems not ...
2014-02-05 11:17 <osmantis> Bug #6121:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams, llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast, llGetLinkPrimitiveParams do not work on avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6121 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-05 12:17 <osmantis> Bug #6121:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams, llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast, llGetLinkPrimitiveParams do not work on avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6121 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-05 13:42 <osmantis> Bug #6998:04 [VARREGION] Fix Viewer crash during HG teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6998 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-05 13:43 <osmantis> Bug #6998:04 [VARREGION] Fix Viewer crash during HG teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6998 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-02-05 14:51 <osmantis> Bug #6999:04 Var region, frash database dont show terrain. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6999 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-05 14:52 <osmantis> Bug #6999:04 Var region, fresh created database dont show terrain. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6999 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-02-05 18:43 <osmantis> Bug #6999:04 Var region, fresh created database dont show terrain. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6999 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-02-05 19:33 <osmantis> Bug #6999:04 Var region, fresh created database dont show terrain. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6999 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-05 19:34 <djphil> Hello :)01
2014-02-05 19:34 <djphil> 01The Materials are already active in OpenSim 0.7.5.1 01and in OpenSim v0.7.6.1 ?01
2014-02-05 19:38 <osmantis> Bug #6998:04 [VARREGION] Fix Viewer crash during HG teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6998 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-05 19:39 <osmantis> Bug #6982:04 Friends online and inventory not working well when logging into a sim with many prims surrounded by sims with older software. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6982 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-02-05 19:42 <osmantis> Bug #6900:04 Arriving sim: Did not find presence with id... in Land 1 before timeout. Departing sim: UpdateAgent failed on teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6900 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-05 19:42 <osmantis> Bug #6900:04 Arriving sim: Did not find presence with id... in Land 1 before timeout. Departing sim: UpdateAgent failed on teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6900 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2014-02-05 19:43 <osmantis> Bug #6999:04 Var region, fresh created database dont show terrain. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6999 ): has been CONFIRMED.
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2014-02-05 23:03 <Arielle_> ping zadark
2014-02-05 23:31 <zadark> Arielle_: pong, back with you in 15 mins if that is ok?
2014-02-05 23:32 <Arielle_>  Was trying to figure out how to apply your patch in GitExtensions but i think i sorted it. I'll know  in a few minutes
2014-02-05 23:49 <zadark> Arielle_: Hello, progress?
2014-02-05 23:50 <Arielle_> i applied the patch and rebuilt and set it up
2014-02-05 23:50 <Arielle_> attempted  hg jump from my own grid to a standalone on the same machine
2014-02-05 23:51 <Arielle_> it still crashed the viewer for me though not as fast'
2014-02-05 23:51 <Arielle_> have the vari region  with dimension of x=2560 y=2560
2014-02-05 23:52 <Arielle_> used the newest sing stable release
2014-02-05 23:53 <zadark> Is both the gris and the standalone using the latest git master + patch?
2014-02-05 23:53 <zadark> gris/grid
2014-02-05 23:54 <Arielle_> the standalone is
2014-02-05 23:54 <Arielle_> the grid is from January 4
2014-02-05 23:55 <zadark> Are you using the teleport home, or a landmark?
2014-02-05 23:55 <Arielle_> my bad, grid was modified from an osgrid release of january 18
2014-02-05 23:56 <Arielle_> i logged into my grid from Jan 18 and then attempted hg jump to the standalone
2014-02-05 23:56 <Arielle_> which is running the lastest master with patch applied
2014-02-05 23:57 <zadark> There could be missing components, bottom line, are values for size_x and size_Y passed to the viewer during the teleport. Depending if you use a landmark or teleport home
2014-02-05 23:58 <zadark> but jan 18 seems to early
2014-02-05 23:58 <Arielle_> I was using a map search 
2014-02-05 23:58 <Arielle_> then clicked teleport in map when it found the standalone
2014-02-05 23:59 <zadark> the map search teleport was fixed by robert, not sure the date
2014-02-06 00:03 <zadark> My patch fixes a cock up, blaring obvious when you see it, not much fun tracing back.
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2014-02-06 01:25 <osmantis> Bug #6787:04 [BULLETSIM SHAPE MESH]: All mesh triangles degenerate and [BULLETSIM SHAPE]: Mesh asset would not mesh. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6787 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-06 01:26 <osmantis> Bug #6787:04 [BULLETSIM SHAPE MESH]: All mesh triangles degenerate and [BULLETSIM SHAPE]: Mesh asset would not mesh. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6787 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2014-02-06 01:27 <osmantis> Bug #6797:04 [BULLETSIM] Mesh object issues - asset would not mesh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6797 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2014-02-06 02:30 <osmantis> Bug #7000:04 [PATCH] Allow Shell environment variables in Robust config files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7000 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-06 02:30 <osmantis> Bug #7000:04 [PATCH] Allow Shell environment variables in Robust config files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7000 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-02-06 05:27 <Guest75985> Starting build #3292 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-06 05:31 <Guest75985> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3292: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3292/
2014-02-06 05:31 <Guest75985> cmickeyb: Update the SimianMaptile uploader to accommodate varregions.
2014-02-06 06:06 <nebadon_laptop> dang no misterblue
2014-02-06 06:07 <nebadon_laptop> seems like if you have 3 varregions next to each other you only can see 2 of them
2014-02-06 06:07 <nebadon_laptop> try to get to the 3rd one it says your banned
2014-02-06 06:13 <nebadon_laptop> doh ignore me
2014-02-06 06:13 <nebadon_laptop> turns out i reused a UUID :O
2014-02-06 06:28 <osmantis> Bug #6990:04 OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.SceneGraph [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6990 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2014-02-06 11:56 <osmantis> Bug #6999:04 Var region, fresh created database dont show terrain. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6999 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-06 12:32 <RiRa> is to assign: in mantis blocked. because i know the far stuff need to misterblue. but cant assign it
2014-02-06 16:41 <Ken_S> Nebadon_Laptop, in the osg web site sim count, will a var be counted as 1 sim or as the number of 256x256 areas in the var?
2014-02-06 17:02 <Misterblue> Ken_S: the prim count will be for one region even if the region covers many legacy region locations
2014-02-06 17:03 <Ken_S> Misterblue, thanks, thats what I suspected on prim count, but what about the sim count in the osg totals. Just 1 per Var I assume?
2014-02-06 17:04 <Misterblue> yes
2014-02-06 17:05 <Ken_S> So when all the megas convert to vars, the sim count in osg will go down.
2014-02-06 17:05 <Misterblue> although it's looking like I need to generalize the region stuff in the grid service because, like, region online and people online are kept per region but that's breaking for the larger regions
2014-02-06 17:05 <Misterblue> if that happens, the grid accounted sim count might go up
2014-02-06 17:06 <Misterblue> but, at the moment, you are correct... going from a 2x2 mega region to a single 512x512 region will reduce the region count
2014-02-06 17:06 <Ken_S> OK, thanks for the info. Things to be curious about in the osg stats.
2014-02-06 17:07 <Misterblue> it is really just one region as far as the grid is concerned... it just takes up more map space
2014-02-06 17:08 <Ken_S> My vars are working great so far.
2014-02-06 17:08 <Ken_S> Only thing ive noticed is slightly slower to load terrain and rez everything compared to mega, and
2014-02-06 17:09 <Ken_S> default terrain is whacky with viewer, but
2014-02-06 17:09 <Ken_S> after it gets loaded it has less lag than the same oars in a mega.
2014-02-06 17:13 <Misterblue> that's probably terrain patch throttling... one region would get throttled more than four separate regions
2014-02-06 17:14 <Ken_S> Makes sense.
2014-02-06 17:14 <Misterblue> I'm about to update that code to make terrain fill in from where you're standing... that should make it look better updating
2014-02-06 17:14 <Ken_S> OK, Ill pull as soon as its up and give it a try.
2014-02-06 17:15 <Ken_S> I did notice things 1024 meters away were rezzing sometimes before things right next to me.
2014-02-06 17:15 <Ken_S> Will this apply to prims also or only terrain?
2014-02-06 17:18 <Misterblue> no, just terrain.... there are parameters to make things get sorted depending on your position... I'd have to look them up
2014-02-06 17:19 <Ken_S> When it was a mega, the closer things rezzed first, but with var it seems totally random.
2014-02-06 17:21 <cmickeyb> one difference in terrain load
2014-02-06 17:21 <cmickeyb> the land throttle is set really low by most viewers
2014-02-06 17:22 <cmickeyb> if you have four regions on four servers, you would get the throttle * 4
2014-02-06 17:22 <cmickeyb> with the var region, you get just that one throttle
2014-02-06 17:22 <cmickeyb> the opensim code attempts to respect the throttles that come from the viewer
2014-02-06 17:22 <cmickeyb> maybe we should rethink that...
2014-02-06 17:22 <Ken_S> Ahhh explains it.  Same thing on the prims rezzing?
2014-02-06 17:23 <cmickeyb> partially yes
2014-02-06 17:23 <Ken_S> Yes, that explains what I am seeing.
2014-02-06 17:23 <cmickeyb> the viewer sends a vector of throttles (not one number like the interface gives you)
2014-02-06 17:23 <cmickeyb> that vector is then handed to child agent regions by the simulator
2014-02-06 17:23 <cmickeyb> (if i remember this correclty... its been a while since i wrote that code)
2014-02-06 17:24 <cmickeyb> so you get a full compliment of bw from the root region
2014-02-06 17:24 <cmickeyb> and some additional percentage from child regions
2014-02-06 17:24 <cmickeyb> with varregion... there is only one throttle
2014-02-06 17:24 <cmickeyb> you can look at how little bw is allocated to land with "show throttles" command on the opensim console
2014-02-06 17:25 <Ken_S> All this seems to explain the slower rezzing of terrain and prims and in no particular distance order from the AV's position.
2014-02-06 17:25 <cmickeyb> Misterblue is looking to make terrain packets sent starting from your current position which will help
2014-02-06 17:25 <cmickeyb> i'm looking at ways to temporarily borrow bw from texture or prim queues to bump the land queue
2014-02-06 17:26 <cmickeyb> another way is to allow "future token" borrowing
2014-02-06 17:26 <cmickeyb> the current approach allows send tokens to accumulate to allow for some burstiness
2014-02-06 17:26 <cmickeyb> but land is sent first so the tokens dont have a chance to accumulate
2014-02-06 17:27 <Misterblue> cmickeyb, you're right about Linden trees not getting displaced
2014-02-06 17:27 <cmickeyb> once in awhile i know what i'm talking about :-)
2014-02-06 17:27 <Misterblue> listen but verify ;-)
2014-02-06 17:27 <cmickeyb> that's good! 
2014-02-06 17:27 <cmickeyb> :)
2014-02-06 17:28 <cmickeyb> now if you can just explain why trees are special... 
2014-02-06 17:28 <Ken_S> All I can say is you guys are doing a great job. The vars is the first major feature in os in a long time.
2014-02-06 17:29 <cmickeyb> BulletSim is pretty new & major too
2014-02-06 17:29 <cmickeyb> hopefully misterblue can get back to working on the articulated joints
2014-02-06 17:29 <Ken_S> Yes for sure. Major improvement
2014-02-06 17:29 <cmickeyb> i need my paddle wheel!
2014-02-06 17:30 <Misterblue> it looks like Linden trees are objects with attachment points
2014-02-06 17:30 <cmickeyb> huh?
2014-02-06 17:30 <cmickeyb> that's really really odd
2014-02-06 17:31 <Misterblue> someone is reusing a variable
2014-02-06 17:31 <cmickeyb> just a bug in setting up the SoG?
2014-02-06 17:31 <Misterblue> could be just not initialized... a possibility
2014-02-06 17:32 <cmickeyb> odd
2014-02-06 17:32 <cmickeyb> very very odd
2014-02-06 17:33 <cmickeyb> by the way... setting the absolute position of an object that really is attached to an avatar has some very odd effects
2014-02-06 17:33 <cmickeyb> my av was in the region when i used the dispatcher to displace the trees
2014-02-06 17:33 <cmickeyb> all of my attachments ended up displaced as well
2014-02-06 17:33 <cmickeyb> and the viewer doesn't seem to like attachments that are 256m away from an avatar
2014-02-06 17:34 <cmickeyb> (big oops)
2014-02-06 17:34 <Misterblue> there a lot of checks scattered around to handle attachments specially... wouldn't surprise me if there are some checks missing
2014-02-06 17:35 <cmickeyb> i think i just need to filter the objects i send back in the FindObjects() message
2014-02-06 17:35 <cmickeyb> although... sounds like that filter would have trimmed the trees (so to speak)
2014-02-06 17:35 <Misterblue> it would be nicer if OpenSim had a better object model to get rid of all the special checks everywhere but that's wishful thinking about the future
2014-02-06 17:36 <Misterblue> the current check is simply making sure it does not have an attachment point
2014-02-06 17:36 <cmickeyb> yup
2014-02-06 17:36 <cmickeyb> though why a tree has an attachment point is a very interesting question
2014-02-06 17:36 <Misterblue> the check needs to be a little more robust since (I found in PrimitiveBaseShape.cs), LastAttachPoint is used to save the primdata state
2014-02-06 17:37 <cmickeyb> huh?
2014-02-06 18:51 <zadark> Misterblue, can I draw your attention to Mantis http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6998 as you will see the patch is based on commit afb2e0711118706aa9e27246246d08f26e0daca5 from [2014-01-24]. It would be benificial to dev/master testers if these changes could be applied to master,
2014-02-06 18:58 <Misterblue> thanks for the pointer... I'll check it out
2014-02-06 19:48 <Guest75985> Starting build #3293 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-06 19:50 <osmantis> Bug #6998:04 [VARREGION] Fix Viewer crash during HG teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6998 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-06 19:52 <Guest75985> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3293: SUCCESS in 3 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3293/
2014-02-06 19:52 <Guest75985> * misterblue: Fix - Viewer crash during HG Teleport
2014-02-06 19:52 <Guest75985> * misterblue: Add zadark to CONTRIBUTORS.txt
2014-02-06 20:05 <RiRa> ping Misterblue
2014-02-06 20:05 <RiRa> for soemreason i cannot assign it to you http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6999
2014-02-06 20:05 <Misterblue> pong
2014-02-06 20:06 <Misterblue> k... I will check it out
2014-02-06 20:09 <osmantis> Bug #6999:04 Var region, fresh created database dont show terrain. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6999 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-02-06 20:23 <RiRa> hope terrain edit and loading can speed up easy. nothing better then inworld terrain edit
2014-02-06 20:30 <osmantis> Bug #6993:04 VAR: maptiles do not show up 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6993 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-06 21:16 <osmantis> Bug #6996:04 [XBakes]: missing config in Robust.HG.ini.example and missing " on end of connector line 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6996 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-02-06 21:17 <osmantis> Bug #6996:04 [XBakes]: missing config in Robust.HG.ini.example and missing " on end of connector line 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6996 ): has been set CHILD OF issue 0006998.
2014-02-06 21:17 <osmantis> Bug #6998:04 [VARREGION] Fix Viewer crash during HG teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6998 ): has been set PARENT OF issue 0006996.
2014-02-06 21:17 <osmantis> Bug #6996:04 [XBakes]: missing config in Robust.HG.ini.example and missing " on end of connector line 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6996 ): has been removed as the CHILD OF issue 0006998.
2014-02-06 21:17 <osmantis> Bug #6998:04 [VARREGION] Fix Viewer crash during HG teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6998 ): has been removed as the PARENT OF issue 0006996.
2014-02-06 21:19 <osmantis> Bug #6996:04 [XBakes]: missing config in Robust.HG.ini.example and missing " on end of connector line 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6996 ): has been set CHILD OF issue 0006988.
2014-02-06 21:19 <osmantis> Bug #6988:04 Master report for issues caused by Avinaion code drop - please link issues that qualify to this as children 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6988 ): has been set PARENT OF issue 0006996.
2014-02-06 21:38 <osmantis> Bug #6982:04 Friends online and inventory not working well when logging into a sim with many prims surrounded by sims with older software. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6982 ): has been UPDATED.
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2014-02-07 01:23 <osmantis> Bug #6928:04 new Group error with master 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6928 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-07 01:25 <osmantis> Bug #6927:04 occasionally baked textures don't get sent  and/or recieved 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6927 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-07 04:46 <osmantis> Bug #6927:04 occasionally baked textures don't get sent  and/or recieved 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6927 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-07 05:04 <osmantis> Bug #6998:04 [VARREGION] Fix Viewer crash during HG teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6998 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-02-07 06:12 <Arielle_> Misterblue I still getting crashes related to bug #6998
2014-02-07 06:13 <Misterblue> so TPing with HG between latest code simulators/grids?
2014-02-07 06:14 <Arielle_> from a grid  that is on Jan 18 to a standalone varregion on the latest code
2014-02-07 06:18 <Misterblue> maybe I should make a patch for the viewer :)
2014-02-07 06:18 <Arielle_> just tried a jump with my osgrid account to the same standalone and  crashed  again
2014-02-07 06:21 <Arielle_> it happens with both FS and the latest Sing
2014-02-07 06:21 <Misterblue> what are the regions you're TPing to and from? How big are they?
2014-02-07 06:22 <Arielle_> jumping from a 16 region mega  on a grid to a varregion standalone of 1024x1024
2014-02-07 06:23 <Arielle_> reverted size to 256x256  and jumped no problem
2014-02-07 06:24 <Misterblue> I'm thinking there is a viewer problem when TPing between regions of different size... I haven't characterizzed it yet
2014-02-07 06:26 <Arielle_> k, just mentioned it because i noticed you marked the issue as resolved
2014-02-07 06:27 <Misterblue> I didn't... that's done by the submitter.... I applied the patch they supplied which indeed fixed a crash problem
2014-02-07 06:27 <Misterblue> but, obviously there are more
2014-02-07 06:29 <Misterblue> I'm off the for the night... I'll do some more testing tomorrow
2014-02-07 06:29 <Arielle_> nod, i tried the prepatched version and the post patched and both resulted in a crash with anything greater then  256x256 but i did note that the crash was faster with the prepatched version
2014-02-07 06:29 <Misterblue> thanks for testing
2014-02-07 06:29 <Arielle_> yw
2014-02-07 13:35 <Smokey_> anybody home?
2014-02-07 19:32 <RiRa> ping misterblue
2014-02-07 19:33 <RiRa> sorry to disturbn you, is tehre some parameter that is needed to set fast running speed. i want to make mantis but just asking first
2014-02-07 19:33 <RiRa> walking and running or flying and fast flying have the same speed. (not funny on variable :) )
2014-02-07 19:42 <osmantis> Bug #7001:04 avatar walking or running and flying or fast flyig have the same speed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7001 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-07 19:42 <RiRa> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7001
2014-02-07 22:01 <osmantis> Bug #7001:04 avatar walking or running and flying or fast flyig have the same speed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7001 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-07 22:53 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-07 22:53 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-02-07 23:21 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006031.
2014-02-07 23:21 <osmantis> Bug #6031:04 'System.OutOfMemoryException' - Simulators are consuming much more memory than in the past. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6031 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007002.
2014-02-07 23:25 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0003353.
2014-02-07 23:25 <osmantis> Bug #3353:04 100% CPU usage from the mono process 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3353 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007002.
2014-02-07 23:25 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006030.
2014-02-07 23:25 <osmantis> Bug #6030:04 Mono resource allocation grows rapidly while running opensim until CPU cannot function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6030 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007002.
2014-02-07 23:27 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-07 23:32 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-07 23:51 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-08 00:11 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-08 00:17 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-08 00:27 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-08 00:29 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-08 00:32 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-08 00:44 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-08 00:46 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-08 00:51 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-08 00:51 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-08 00:54 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-08 00:59 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-08 01:02 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-08 01:04 <dahlia> YAY mantis drama :D
2014-02-08 01:06 <Ken_S> Why can't someone just test the patch against the performance we have now instead of endless discussion?
2014-02-08 01:07 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-08 01:07 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-08 01:07 <melanie_> I'm going to close that mantis now
2014-02-08 01:08 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): has been CLOSED
2014-02-08 01:09 <melanie_> i mean, srsly
2014-02-08 01:09 <melanie_> claiming the scheduler would wake each thread on each pass
2014-02-08 01:12 <melanie_> dahlia: we coud theoretically bump the scripts event loop on each frame. when i wrote that, we didn't have the OnFrame event
2014-02-08 01:12 <melanie_> i don't know if that would improve either accuracy or responsiveness
2014-02-08 01:12 <melanie_> but I doubt it
2014-02-08 01:13 <dahlia> that whol discussion was tangential anyway, the problem lies in the lazy update queues in LLClientView
2014-02-08 01:13 <dahlia> you just cant do a lot of updates at a fast rate and see them thru to the viewers
2014-02-08 01:13 <melanie_> Ken_S: they tested the patch on a script that uses a timer and went "yay" because that was also changing resolution to 0.01s. They were oblivious of the fact that 0.01s is not sustainable in a real use case with about 3000 scripts on sim and avatar wearing AOs that attempt to use fast timers
2014-02-08 01:14 <melanie_> dahlia: my thoughts wee more along the line of timer accuracy as such
2014-02-08 01:14 <melanie_> but iirc the timers are derived fromt he tick anyway, not from ultiples of that sleep
2014-02-08 01:14 <melanie_> sleep is specified to be inaccurate
2014-02-08 01:14 <melanie_> it's iherent 
2014-02-08 01:14 <melanie_> +n
2014-02-08 01:15 <dahlia> theres just no sense in allowing 0.01 sec timers in a system with an effective rate of 0.1
2014-02-08 01:15 <melanie_> for visual things, true
2014-02-08 01:15 <dahlia> have to consider the entire system
2014-02-08 01:15 <melanie_> but timers do more than just visual things
2014-02-08 01:16 <melanie_> the point is that 0.01s timers are used in the zhao ao
2014-02-08 01:16 <dahlia> maybe so but you cant effectively update the scene any faster
2014-02-08 01:16 <melanie_> it calls llAnimationList
2014-02-08 01:16 <melanie_> and that will return the same value 100 times
2014-02-08 01:16 <melanie_> no matter how often it's called
2014-02-08 01:16 <melanie_> there cannot be any updates more frequent than 10 times/s
2014-02-08 01:16 <dahlia> which is stupid because you cant change it in the viewers faster than 0.1
2014-02-08 01:16 <melanie_> so no point in running faster timers
2014-02-08 01:17 <melanie_> i experimented with a variety of scripts and found 0.5s to be a timer value that will give good responsiveness in most scripts while not hogging the system
2014-02-08 01:18 <dahlia> I sometimes drop mine to 0.2
2014-02-08 01:18 <dahlia> if I need faster I use not_at_target
2014-02-08 01:18 <melanie_> for controlled environments that can work
2014-02-08 01:18 <melanie_> it's why it's tunable
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2014-02-08 02:45 <lkalif> in linden sims 0.01 timer means "wait until next frame" in reality
2014-02-08 02:49 <melanie_> yes. sadly, in opensim, that isn't so
2014-02-08 02:52 <dahlia> well you probably wont get 100 timer events in a LL sim with a timer of 0.01
2014-02-08 02:54 <lkalif> you will get one event per sim frame on most sims
2014-02-08 02:54 <lkalif> not more
2014-02-08 02:54 <dahlia> which is probably a good way to do it :)
2014-02-08 02:55 <dahlia> though I use not_at_target in SL also
2014-02-08 02:55 <lkalif> well their sim is different architecture
2014-02-08 02:55 <lkalif> single-thread timesliced acorss frames
2014-02-08 02:56 <dahlia> in mono also?
2014-02-08 02:56 <lkalif> yes
2014-02-08 02:56 <dahlia> oh they use that yield injection thingie
2014-02-08 02:56 <lkalif> yep
2014-02-08 02:57 <lkalif> their target is 45 fps, so the whole thing has to run in 22ms
2014-02-08 02:57 <dahlia> opensim is 10ish
2014-02-08 02:57 <lkalif> so on an idle sim, script engine gets most of it
2014-02-08 02:57 <dahlia> 11? cant remember
2014-02-08 02:57 <lkalif> like 18ms for mono per frame
2014-02-08 02:57 <dahlia> dont know why they need 45
2014-02-08 02:58 <dahlia> maybe some havok thing
2014-02-08 02:58 <lkalif> could be a havok thing
2014-02-08 02:58 <lkalif> lol
2014-02-08 02:58 <dahlia> :P
2014-02-08 02:59 <lkalif> but in practice it means that no two timer events will happen at a resolution higher than 22ms
2014-02-08 02:59 <lkalif> also sleep
2014-02-08 02:59 <lkalif> you can llSleep(0.000001) all you want
2014-02-08 02:59 <lkalif> but that will be 22ms
2014-02-08 03:00 <dahlia> well unfortunately opensim is multi-threaded and as such it has a lot of the pains that go with it
2014-02-08 03:01 <dahlia> but SmartThreadPool is pretty nifty at smoothing a lot of that out
2014-02-08 03:03 <lkalif> is there some central "beat" that simulates frames?
2014-02-08 03:03 <dahlia> I think mono has internal threadpools also, I'd be surprised if .NET didnt. I seriously doubt it has to do many kernel traps when thread tasks swap
2014-02-08 03:04 <dahlia> so there is a few layers of thread management before it has to drop into the kernel
2014-02-08 03:04 <lkalif> single threaded LSL execution engine would be great for OpenSim
2014-02-08 03:04 <dahlia> a c# port of angelscript would be even better :)
2014-02-08 03:24 <dahlia> lkalif: oh didnt see the central beat question. There is a "HeartBeat" thread but I'm not sure how it controls frame rate
2014-02-08 16:50 <osmantis> Bug #6908:04 load oar causes crash because of OutOfMemoryException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6908 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-08 21:44 <smxy_> nebadon ping
2014-02-08 21:45 <smxy_> nebadon: Is Mono 3.2.3 still the latest and greatest?
2014-02-08 21:46 <smxy> nebadon: The topic still says Trunk is broken. Seems pretty not broken, to me.
2014-02-08 21:58 <nebadon_phone2>  no 3.2
2014-02-08 21:59 <nebadon_phone2> 3.2.6 is latest i am in airplane just landed be back in a bit
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2014-02-08 22:25 <frnic> smxy, last I heard physical vehicles making region crossings is still broken, but I have not tested it myself
2014-02-08 22:30 <smxy> That is a particular (new) feature broken. That's not *TRUNK* broken. :)
2014-02-08 22:31 <smxy> There's always going to be *something* that's broken. But saying TRUNK is broken suggests ut's not at all usable.
2014-02-08 22:31 <smxy> it's*
2014-02-08 22:56 <Misterblue> physical vehicles never used to cross boundries... it's better now than it used to be
2014-02-08 22:59 <Misterblue> does anyone know how wind is sent to the viewer? is it done with terrain detail (direction every meter) or something else?
2014-02-08 23:08 <LiruCookies> Misterblue: Wind? Which wind? Sound or force?
2014-02-08 23:12 <LiruCookies> You send them as layers
2014-02-08 23:12 <dahlia> Misterblue: I believe there's a special packet for it but I cant remember offhand
2014-02-08 23:12 <LiruCookies> With the WIND_LAYER_CODE
2014-02-08 23:13 <lkalif> LayerData, same packet as for terrain
2014-02-08 23:14 <dahlia> oh :)
2014-02-08 23:14 <LiruCookies> Wind layer is '7'
2014-02-08 23:15 <LiruCookies> Lad layer is 'L'
2014-02-08 23:15 <LiruCookies> Land*
2014-02-08 23:17 <smxy> Misterblue: That's my point. Trunk is *not* "broken". :) So perhaps the topic should be changed.
2014-02-08 23:29 <dahlia> hmmm well it used to let me edit the channel topic but looks like it wont anymore. Maybe nebadon_ can do it when he gets back
2014-02-08 23:34 <smxy> No rush. Just pointing it out. :)
2014-02-09 00:02 <Misterblue> it has been changed before... don't know how it got back
2014-02-09 00:02 <smxy> Stuff happens. :)
2014-02-09 00:02 <Misterblue> I'm working on varregions and wondering about wind and clouds and other layer data for larger regions
2014-02-09 00:03 <smxy> Nice.
2014-02-09 00:03 <Misterblue> Aurora did define new layer codes for extended terrain (being used and works) as well as new layer codes for extended wind and clouds
2014-02-09 00:04 <Misterblue> the code doesn't seen to be changed, though... the wind generator does the same 16x16 grid in both Aurora and OpenSim
2014-02-09 00:04 <Misterblue> 
ACTION is looking into why boats are having problems in varregions while cars still work

2014-02-09 00:04 <smxy> I'm sure you'll figure it out. Maybe they never finished that.
2014-02-09 00:05 <vegaslon> have you noticed looped sounds act weird on varregions?
2014-02-09 00:05 <smxy> I haven't really done any testing of the one I set up yet.
2014-02-09 00:06 <smxy> Just got my 2x2 converted is all.
2014-02-09 00:06 <Misterblue> looped sounds?? wonder what that could possibly have to do with the region size
2014-02-09 00:06 <vegaslon> and I don't like to say something is a problem until I have tested it on someone elses peice of hardware
2014-02-09 00:07 <Misterblue> 
ACTION does note he has been surprized by odd OpenSim interactions before

2014-02-09 00:08 <Misterblue> looks like wind is just sent to every viewer every 150 frames (about every 15 seconds)
2014-02-09 00:09 <vegaslon> the sound loops but not smoothly will have to say that is just weird behavior I experience in my cases until a few people keeps some varregions up
2014-02-09 00:13 <Misterblue> is 0.7.6-post-fixes before or after 0.7.6-extended?
2014-02-09 00:14 <dahlia> have to ask justin, he swapped around so much
2014-02-09 00:16 <lkalif> sound issues on varregions could be viewer issue
2014-02-09 00:16 <lkalif> sounds are played in 3D using global coordinates, so if something goes wrong with calculating global sound post, it could be a problem
2014-02-09 00:18 <Platespinner> dahlia: fyi still alive..   kire crashed again
2014-02-09 00:22 <Misterblue> nice... 0.7.6-post-fixes can't be compiled with .net 4.0
2014-02-09 00:25 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Sounds were supposedly broken in the past with varregions
2014-02-09 00:26 <Misterblue> do you have any hints as to why, LiruCookies?
2014-02-09 00:28 <LiruCookies> Misterblue: The supposed fix was to make the buffer larger.. as to why the issue happened or if that fix was correct, no idea.. I think it's applied now in Singu, thouhg.
2014-02-09 00:28 <LiruCookies> though*
2014-02-09 00:28 <Misterblue> humm... looks like the boat problem I've been chasing is also in post-fixes... sigh
2014-02-09 00:38 <LiruCookies> To give us a sound to play in the world...
2014-02-09 00:41 <LiruCookies> You send a vector3 for the "Position" field of "SoundData"
2014-02-09 00:41 <LiruCookies> That vector3 is the local position
2014-02-09 00:42 <LiruCookies> "SoundData" also has a field "Handle", from this Handle, we get the global coordinates of the region
2014-02-09 00:43 <LiruCookies> We take those global coords and add the local ones from Position and that's how we get the location the sound comes from
2014-02-09 00:43 <LiruCookies> So if you are capping the local pos within 256 still, it will break, but if you are sending it correctly, we should get it.
2014-02-09 00:44 <Thonneve> Does anyone have any input on my question I asked in #opensim?
2014-02-09 00:44 <Thonneve> I'll copy the conversation over here if no one saw it
2014-02-09 00:44 <Thonneve> Just wondering if you dev type people might know...
2014-02-09 00:50 <LiruCookies> Thonneve: Repeat here?
2014-02-09 00:50 <Thonneve> Kind of a wierd question, but how difficult would it be to hook into XEngine from within itself to create functions defined by a script... I can explain more if needed, might not make a lot of sense...
2014-02-09 00:50 <Thonneve> I'll expand a bit; I want to create a object, that will define some functions for other objects to use, without having to write the functions in XEngine, recompile and restart just to add one new function or one new change
2014-02-09 00:51 <LiruCookies> static linkage?
2014-02-09 00:52 <Thonneve> But can this all be done from inworld?
2014-02-09 00:54 <Plugh> LiruCookies: If it is possible the only way I see to do it is to use a script written in C#.
2014-02-09 00:55 <vegaslon> might be able to create a module inworld that way that uses modinvoke
2014-02-09 00:55 <Thonneve> I did assume it would be only possible in C#
2014-02-09 00:56 <Thonneve> And the thing is I need it completely in-world since it would probably get changed a lot and improved and I'd go insane if I had to restart after every small change
2014-02-09 00:57 <dahlia> "Mini Region Module" if it still works
2014-02-09 01:00 <LiruCookies> Mew?
2014-02-09 01:01 <dahlia> MRM
2014-02-09 01:01 <dahlia> Thonneve: one would probably need to google "MRM Opensim"
2014-02-09 01:02 <Thonneve> I'll take a look at that
2014-02-09 01:02 <Thonneve> See what I can do and how it works
2014-02-09 01:03 <LiruCookies> That just doesn't make much sense... I mean, I suppose you could have function pointers or so... could be nasty to recompile and thus replace it while the script is calling the function, though.. but I guess we could put the compiled code in a different place entirely and update the pointers when done... but all I'm saying may be meaningless in C# terms
2014-02-09 01:10 <dahlia> c# normally doesnt have function pointers
2014-02-09 01:10 <dahlia> almost everything is a reference, errr... not a reference in c++ terms but more like a handle
2014-02-09 01:11 <dahlia> there is extensive automatic memory management
2014-02-09 01:12 <LiruCookies> What we'd need is a way to track the memory address of the compiled function in an object that we could then update when we recompile the function
2014-02-09 01:12 <LiruCookies> We'd need to use this object to provide the function when the script  requires it.
2014-02-09 01:16 <dahlia> well there is the modinvoke stuff but I'm not sure if it could be made to work in a mini region module
2014-02-09 01:17 <dahlia> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OSSL_Script_Library/ModInvoke
2014-02-09 01:18 <LiruCookies> So you'd have operator T(ARGS) { return mCurrentAddress(ARGS); } where ARGS is any arguments the function has... the number of arguments surely couldn't change with the function and the return type must be constant as well, because the compiled scripts using the function cannot anticipate different types, can they...
2014-02-09 01:19 <dahlia> I think you can pass stuff in lists
2014-02-09 01:20 <dahlia> so yeah, you could do dynamic programming like stuff
2014-02-09 01:20 <LiruCookies> Well, you'd want to compile the scripts normally otherwise, and that would mean (I'd hope) optimization as well
2014-02-09 01:22 <dahlia> no clue about optimization but if it does something like casting to System.Object then you can get away with a log
2014-02-09 01:22 <dahlia> *lot
2014-02-09 01:23 <dahlia> in c# you can also use reflection but I have no idea if that would apply to what you are trying to do
2014-02-09 01:23 <LiruCookies> Oh right, C# is like Java.
2014-02-09 01:25 <LiruCookies> And since nothing gets passed by reference in lsl, no worries once an object leaves home.
2014-02-09 01:25 <dahlia> but c++ has va_list and friends too
2014-02-09 01:25 <dahlia> I'd think if you pass a list it gets passed by reference
2014-02-09 01:25 <LiruCookies> I was just implementing this in my head a bit with va_list, but I dropped that when the scripts could no longer be optimized
2014-02-09 01:27 <LiruCookies> The real problem is that we can't change our return type and at the end of the call, the variables will not have changed..
2014-02-09 01:27 <LiruCookies> In the scope of the script
2014-02-09 01:27 <dahlia> I dont really know our script engine very well at all, but I think it just preprocesses the LSL to turn it into c#
2014-02-09 01:27 <dahlia> return a list :)
2014-02-09 01:28 <LiruCookies> I'd compile into machine code as documented by AWG.
2014-02-09 01:28 <dahlia> AWG?
2014-02-09 01:28 <LiruCookies> What does that stand for again? lkalif would know....
2014-02-09 01:29 <dahlia> in anything c# you usually dont get machine code until it runs
2014-02-09 01:29 <LiruCookies> WHAT?!
2014-02-09 01:29 <dahlia> JIT
2014-02-09 01:29 <LiruCookies> Ew
2014-02-09 01:29 <dahlia> you get CLI instead
2014-02-09 01:29 <dahlia> byte code
2014-02-09 01:29 <dahlia> architecture independent
2014-02-09 01:30 <LiruCookies> I don't think freenode approves
2014-02-09 01:30 <dahlia> lol
2014-02-09 01:32 <dahlia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Language_Infrastructure
2014-02-09 01:32 <LiruCookies> byte code becomes machine code when?  When the machine becomes aware of it
2014-02-09 01:32 <LiruCookies> ?
2014-02-09 01:32 <LiruCookies> Or whenever it's called?
2014-02-09 01:33 <dahlia> usually just before its called
2014-02-09 01:33 <Misterblue> when called: JIT is "just in time" compilation
2014-02-09 01:33 <dahlia> but I think it can be cached
2014-02-09 01:33 <LiruCookies> That's kinda gross.. caching is preferable, where possible..
2014-02-09 01:34 <Misterblue> definitely cached... only compiled once (at least, once per session)
2014-02-09 01:34 <dahlia> there is the GAC which I think means "Global Assembly Cache"
2014-02-09 01:34 <dahlia> but I'm kinda sketchy on how it works
2014-02-09 01:38 <Misterblue> back to the original topic... one can also enable using C# as the in-world scripting language
2014-02-09 01:39 <Misterblue> it has the 'problem' of enabling access to all the C# libraries and thus the filesystem, etc
2014-02-09 01:39 <LiruCookies> Shouldn't it be easy to lock it out of those?
2014-02-09 01:43 <dahlia> I think LL tried to do that when they were looking at c# scripting
2014-02-09 01:43 <dahlia> some bytecode inspection thingie, cant really remember details anymore
2014-02-09 01:43 <dahlia> it died when Babbage left
2014-02-09 01:44 <dahlia> melanie_ probably knows more
2014-02-09 01:44 <LiruCookies> Well don't even let it get to bytecode, blacklist some libraries and regex it, failed to compile + message from server.
2014-02-09 01:45 <dahlia> I think there may have even been an open source effort to code it
2014-02-09 01:45 <dahlia> in fact it may even be in mono somewhere
2014-02-09 08:32 <ssm2017> hello
2014-02-09 08:32 <ssm2017> what is the last number in a hypegrid friend item in the db ?
2014-02-09 08:33 <ssm2017> in the Friends table, in the "Friend" column, i can see : UUID;HGURI/;FirstName LastName;something
2014-02-09 08:33 <ssm2017> im wondering what is "somethingé"
2014-02-09 08:34 <ssm2017> example : 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000;http://hg.osgrid.org:80/;Test User;6688b449
2014-02-09 08:35 <ssm2017> im wondering what is 6688b449
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2014-02-09 08:56 <ssm2017> nebadon_, hello, the wiki seems down
2014-02-09 11:23 -!- ChanServ changed mode/#opensim-dev -> +o Melanie_T
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2014-02-09 11:24 <Melanie_T> LiruCookies: it's not feasible to secure c# scripting. Too many methods of system libs you cannot block have side effects, it's a mess
2014-02-09 15:01 <smxy> nebadon_: I saw you said Mono 3.2.6 is the latest. Your compiling page is still  for 3.2.3 though. Is there another page or has this one just not been updated?
2014-02-09 15:54 <smxy> Does anyone know how to set up the cached appearance for a standalone?
2014-02-09 15:54 <smxy> er, cached bakes
2014-02-09 16:15 <danbanner> looks like the website is down
2014-02-09 16:15 <Arielle_> been down for a while now
2014-02-09 16:31 <LiruCookies> Melanie_T: okioki, what about blocking access to the filesystem by running as an underprivileged user?
2014-02-09 19:23 <Melanie_T> LiruCookies: there would by necessity still be filesystem access to the degree the opensim process has access. that is still too much for comfort.
2014-02-09 19:24 <Melanie_T> danbanner: nebadon reached me. the website is back or me now
2014-02-09 19:24 <Melanie_T> for*
2014-02-09 19:24 <Melanie_T> it is all good for you
2014-02-09 19:24 <Melanie_T> ?
2014-02-09 19:30 <LiruCookies> Melanie_T: We cannot change user while running?
2014-02-09 19:30 <Melanie_T> no. we could change user for the entire process IF the process were started as root
2014-02-09 19:31 <Melanie_T> but i would not start anything under mono as root
2014-02-09 19:31 <LiruCookies> Indeed
2014-02-09 19:31 <Melanie_T> also, it would affect the whole process, so any user switch that removes access to the opensim stuff would cause a crash
2014-02-09 19:31 <LiruCookies> I was thinking maybe launch the script engine as another process under a limited user?
2014-02-09 19:31 <Melanie_T> that means scripts will always be able to access whatever the sim can access
2014-02-09 19:31 <Melanie_T> the script engine is inprocess
2014-02-09 19:32 <Melanie_T> it would be quite complex to make it another process
2014-02-09 19:32 <Melanie_T> and probably way too slow in practice
2014-02-09 19:32 <Melanie_T> it would likely degrade c# script performance to where lsl is now 
2014-02-09 19:32 <Melanie_T> maybe to less
2014-02-09 23:18 <Plugh> After a TP fails, I can no longer TP from the region even after relogging.
2014-02-09 23:18 <Plugh> or even TP to it. Even sim crossing seems messed up.
2014-02-09 23:18 <Plugh> (o76PF)
2014-02-09 23:53 <osmantis> Bug #7003:04 osGetNotecard returns extra chars when notecard contains diacritics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7003 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2014-02-10 01:07 <osmantis> Bug #7003:04 osGetNotecard returns extra chars when notecard contains diacritics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7003 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006885.
2014-02-10 01:07 <osmantis> Bug #6885:04 LSL Function: llGetNotecardLine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6885 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007003.
2014-02-10 02:14 <Guest75985> Starting build #3294 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-10 02:19 <Guest75985> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3294: SUCCESS in 7 min 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3294/
2014-02-10 02:19 <Guest75985> cmickeyb: Add JsonRezAtRoot script function. Operation is very similar to
2014-02-11 00:22 <osmantis> Bug #6990:04 OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.SceneGraph [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6990 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-02-11 02:18 <frnic> ping smxy
2014-02-11 02:18 <smxy> pong
2014-02-11 02:18 <frnic> IM?
2014-02-11 02:18 <smxy> sure
2014-02-11 16:33 <osmantis> Bug #7004:04 Accessing texture from inventory or attempting to upload new one sometimes fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7004 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-11 16:34 <osmantis> Bug #7004:04 Accessing texture from inventory or attempting to upload new one sometimes fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7004 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006988.
2014-02-11 16:34 <osmantis> Bug #6988:04 Master report for issues caused by Avinaion code drop - please link issues that qualify to this as children 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6988 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007004.
2014-02-11 16:56 <osmantis> Bug #7004:04 Accessing texture from inventory or attempting to upload new one sometimes fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7004 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-11 16:56 <osmantis> Bug #7004:04 Accessing texture from inventory or attempting to upload new one sometimes fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7004 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-02-11 17:36 <osmantis> Bug #7004:04 Accessing texture from inventory or attempting to upload new one sometimes fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7004 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-11 17:40 <Aleric> 
ACTION notices annoyed that both almond filled cookies are gone long before the tea even cooled down.

2014-02-11 23:27 <osmantis> Bug #7005:04 Use timers for LSL event handlers (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7005 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-11 23:28 <osmantis> Bug #7005:04 Use timers for LSL event handlers (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7005 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-02-11 23:30 <osmantis> Bug #7005:04 Use timers for LSL event handlers (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7005 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007002.
2014-02-11 23:30 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007005.
2014-02-11 23:35 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): has been REOPENED.
2014-02-11 23:39 <osmantis> Bug #7005:04 Use timers for LSL event handlers (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7005 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-11 23:45 <justincc> arthursv, there's a name I haven't seen for a long while
2014-02-11 23:45 <arthursv> Hey Justin!! Yea, haven't been here in so long ^^
2014-02-11 23:45 <justincc> diva released you from her dungeon? :)
2014-02-11 23:46 <arthursv> Just for a while! :D
2014-02-11 23:46 <arthursv> then back to work.. 
2014-02-11 23:46 <justincc> finished your phd?
2014-02-11 23:46 <arthursv> Still working on it. Steady progress.. Stayed away from OpenSim for a while, but now I'm back working on it
2014-02-11 23:47 <arthursv> how about you? How you've been?
2014-02-11 23:47 <justincc> oh really.  Doing anything in particular?
2014-02-11 23:48 <justincc> oh you know, dotting along - alternately arguing with people and then getting bored out of my skull.  Not seeming to get a lot of time for actual coding :)
2014-02-11 23:48 <arthursv> Well, as of now, I am working on the Distributed Scene Graph. Was at Intel with radams, dlake and the rest of the gang 
2014-02-11 23:49 <justincc> physically there?
2014-02-11 23:49 <dahlia> hiya arthursv :)
2014-02-11 23:50 <arthursv> hey dahlia! long time no see :)
2014-02-11 23:50 <arthursv> I was at Intel for the summer, but now I'm back to UCI/diva's dungeon.. ;)
2014-02-11 23:50 <dahlia> doing internship?
2014-02-11 23:51 <arthursv> yes
2014-02-11 23:51 <dahlia> hope they paid you 
2014-02-11 23:51 <osmantis> Bug #7005:04 Use timers for LSL event handlers (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7005 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-11 23:51 <arthursv> Yes, US internships are all paid. The advisors are usually worried the students won't come back.. hehe
2014-02-11 23:52 <dahlia> lol
2014-02-11 23:59 <Melanie_T> this Kira person is really not getting it. s/he is still trying to make faster timers the default....
2014-02-11 23:59 <Melanie_T> no regard for stuff breaking under people's arses
2014-02-12 00:00 <justincc> what would rely on slower timers that does not already specify the required ms when setting up the timer?
2014-02-12 00:00 <Melanie_T> the killer is the ZHAO
2014-02-12 00:00 <nebadon_laptop> some stuff does work considerably better with faster timers
2014-02-12 00:00 <Melanie_T> the SL version uses 0.01
2014-02-12 00:00 <nebadon_laptop> we are running timers of like 0.08 or something
2014-02-12 00:00 <Melanie_T> people just import it into opensim
2014-02-12 00:00 <nebadon_laptop> and things run considerably better
2014-02-12 00:01 <nebadon_laptop> opensim cant really go any faster I dont think
2014-02-12 00:01 <Melanie_T> 20 avatars in a sim and the people can't even move because script timers for their zhao take all the time from the cpu
2014-02-12 00:01 <nebadon_laptop> let me check what we run at Lbsa
2014-02-12 00:01 <Melanie_T> the 0.5 is conservative
2014-02-12 00:01 <Melanie_T> based on that zhao still functions with 0.5
2014-02-12 00:02 <osmantis> Bug #7005:04 Use timers for LSL event handlers (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7005 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-12 00:02 <Melanie_T> it may be too conservative but allowing 0.01 is a recipe for desaster except in controlled situations (e.g. where the owner controls all scripting)
2014-02-12 00:03 <nebadon_laptop> ya were running 0.08 at Lbsa
2014-02-12 00:03 <nebadon_laptop> but 0.01 shouldnt be possible should it?
2014-02-12 00:04 <justincc> It would never go below 0.1 anyway due to the fixed value in current cmd handler loop
2014-02-12 00:04 <nebadon_laptop> the region heartbeat wouldnt permit anything faster than 0.083
2014-02-12 00:04 <justincc> lower figures will effectively be ignored
2014-02-12 00:04 <nebadon_laptop> 11fps
2014-02-12 00:04 <osmantis> Bug #7005:04 Use timers for LSL event handlers (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7005 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-12 00:04 <Melanie_T> well, no
2014-02-12 00:04 <Melanie_T> lowr figures would still be run on the script engine side, especially with this patch
2014-02-12 00:04 <nebadon_laptop> k
2014-02-12 00:04 <Melanie_T> the _effect_ of the script would be throttled to the frame rate
2014-02-12 00:05 <justincc> yeah, scene loop is divorced from script negine
2014-02-12 00:05 <justincc> unlike ll afaik
2014-02-12 00:05 <Melanie_T> the remaining cpu cycles are thrown away
2014-02-12 00:05 <nebadon_laptop> could be incorporate their changes so it was able to be configured to whatever
2014-02-12 00:05 <nebadon_laptop> but the default would remain 0.1 or 0.5
2014-02-12 00:05 <Melanie_T> 0.5, I say
2014-02-12 00:05 <justincc> current patch is not sutiable.  one which does not touch defaults is much better
2014-02-12 00:05 <Melanie_T> it's what people's regions are runnign with now
2014-02-12 00:05 <nebadon_laptop> I missed most of this argument so pardon me if im asking already answered questions
2014-02-12 00:06 <Melanie_T> I can juse see the Manti popping up "unacceptable lag since commit xxxx"
2014-02-12 00:08 <osmantis> Bug #7005:04 Use timers for LSL event handlers (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7005 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-12 00:12 <Melanie_T> justincc: also needs to implement some sort of locking
2014-02-12 00:13 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-12 00:13 <Melanie_T> and i would much prefer to see Monitor locks (using try) over volatile vars
2014-02-12 00:13 <Melanie_T> volatiles are reinventing the wheel in terms of mono
2014-02-12 00:13 <justincc> afaik, implementation underneath is the same
2014-02-12 00:13 <Melanie_T> maybe so, bt monitor is tested and working
2014-02-12 00:14 <Melanie_T> i believe we prefer the canonical solutions
2014-02-12 00:14 <justincc> volatile is just as valid - what canonical solution?
2014-02-12 00:14 <osmantis> Bug #7002:04 Use signaling instead of CPU-blocking sleep for LSL events (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7002 ): has been CLOSED
2014-02-12 00:15 <Melanie_T> Monitor is the caonical solution in C#
2014-02-12 00:15 <osmantis> Bug #7005:04 Use timers for LSL event handlers (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7005 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-12 00:15 <Melanie_T> volatiles are something C++/assembler coders would do
2014-02-12 00:17 <osmantis> Bug #7005:04 Use timers for LSL event handlers (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7005 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-12 00:18 <osmantis> Bug #7005:04 Use timers for LSL event handlers (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7005 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-12 00:21 <osmantis> Bug #7005:04 Use timers for LSL event handlers (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7005 ): has been CLOSED
2014-02-12 00:22 <justincc> ok, as she can't be civil I am closing patch and removing her account as per her own request
2014-02-12 00:22 <osmantis> Bug #7005:04 Use timers for LSL event handlers (listen, timer, sensor and dataserver). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7005 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-12 00:23 <Melanie_T> so we crossed wires
2014-02-12 00:23 <Melanie_T> i was actually answering her
2014-02-12 00:23 <Melanie_T> regardless, she's been trolling all along
2014-02-12 00:23 <Melanie_T> trying to get her notion (of timers having to be like SL) accepted
2014-02-12 00:23 <justincc> she's a hothead who is more than normally provoked by your style
2014-02-12 00:24 <Melanie_T> by subterfuge or force
2014-02-12 00:24 <justincc> that's nonsense
2014-02-12 00:24 <justincc> dont' be ridiculous
2014-02-12 00:24 <Melanie_T> i'm not
2014-02-12 00:24 <justincc> yes you are.  How on earth would she get this changed by "subterfuge or force"?
2014-02-12 00:24 <Melanie_T> both patches try to change the default to 0.01s
2014-02-12 00:24 <Melanie_T> although she was told the first time that isn't acceptable
2014-02-12 00:24 <justincc> oh, and she would hold a gun to so,meone's head to get them to be applied?
2014-02-12 00:25 <justincc> you really dont' help at all
2014-02-12 00:25 <Melanie_T> so putting it into the second one without, this time, explicitly saying so in the description, is subterfuge
2014-02-12 00:25 <justincc> you continually provoke people by your style
2014-02-12 00:25 <justincc> what nonsense
2014-02-12 00:25 <justincc> the patch is clear for anyone to read
2014-02-12 00:25 <Melanie_T> you, yes
2014-02-12 00:25 <Melanie_T> me, yes
2014-02-12 00:25 <justincc> and any other core developer
2014-02-12 00:25 <Melanie_T> everyone? doubtful
2014-02-12 00:25 <Melanie_T> yes
2014-02-12 00:25 <Melanie_T> any core
2014-02-12 00:25 <Melanie_T> and many contribs
2014-02-12 00:25 <justincc> and nobody else is applying patches
2014-02-12 00:27 <Melanie_T> well, i have, at one time or another, actually caght people trying to sneak in their pet code in an unrelated, useful patch
2014-02-12 00:27 <Melanie_T> regardless, this episode is over
2014-02-12 00:27 <justincc> I have never seen that.  And I'm sure you interpret any innocent mistake as a deliberate malicious act
2014-02-12 00:27 <justincc> your continually paranoia and style costs us contributors and suporters
2014-02-12 00:27 <Melanie_T> and i'm happy about that
2014-02-12 00:28 <Melanie_T> i don't know what i should be doing if someone insists that Thread.Sleep spins busy and burns cycles - when we all know it's not so?
2014-02-12 00:29 <Melanie_T> personally, i believe cutting the bs is best there and s/he has shown hirself to be the person s/he is
2014-02-12 00:29 <justincc> then say it's not so and leave it at that.  Why "Your claim flies in the face of everything Linux especially stands for.".  Why "Just because you don't like one of the possibilities does not make it right to remove it for everyone. Simply configure your installation for cooperative termination, but don't force your views on everyone. "
2014-02-12 00:29 <justincc> that's a load of bs
2014-02-12 00:30 <justincc> both these statements are simply provcative, not to mention paranoid
2014-02-12 00:30 <Melanie_T> I don't think so. Linux does stand for proper preemptive and efficient scheduling. busy spinning is not part of it
2014-02-12 00:31 <justincc> So "You are incorrect"
2014-02-12 00:31 <Melanie_T> and advocating to remove preemptive thread termination completely because s/he doesn't like it means messing up all the people who dont' have control over scripts and are subject to griefer attacks
2014-02-12 00:31 <Melanie_T> the "dimmer" scripts in question (second mantis, mentioned briefly) use a for loop to "dim" the prim by changing it's color values in a loop
2014-02-12 00:32 <Melanie_T> with only two script threads in a sim, that kind of scripting blocks half the scripts in the sim
2014-02-12 00:32 <Melanie_T> that is just bad scripting for opensi
2014-02-12 00:32 <Melanie_T> it works perfectly well in sl but not in OS
2014-02-12 00:32 <Melanie_T> preemptive termination kills those scripts as it should
2014-02-12 00:33 <Melanie_T> complaining that badly written or unsuitable scripts don't work as they do in sl and therefore wanting to change opensim to be much worse in terms of grifer defensibility isn't a good thing
2014-02-12 00:33 <Melanie_T> so i may express myself strongly, yes
2014-02-12 00:33 <Melanie_T> guilty as charged
2014-02-12 00:33 <justincc> Nowhere above that does she say she is trying to force thread abort
2014-02-12 00:33 <Melanie_T> no
2014-02-12 00:33 <justincc> thread abort IS a bad idea, I have seen it myself and ALL the sources I have seen support this
2014-02-12 00:34 <Melanie_T> in the discussion around patch #1 it was in there - to remove Thread.Abort
2014-02-12 00:34 <justincc> no it isn't
2014-02-12 00:34 <Melanie_T> sometimes it's all that stands between admin and griefer
2014-02-12 00:34 <justincc> you express yourself badly, not just strongly
2014-02-12 00:35 <Melanie_T> also, Thread.Abort is manageable if the class of the thread being aborted is written in a way that allows this without repercussions
2014-02-12 00:35 <Melanie_T> the script thread is written in such a way
2014-02-12 00:35 <Melanie_T> it's only discouraged and deprecated because it's not understood by the majority and continually used wrongly
2014-02-12 00:35 <justincc> there's no such thing.  It does not properly clean up locks, structures, etc.
2014-02-12 00:35 <Melanie_T> so it caused lots of issues for lots of people
2014-02-12 00:36 <justincc> show me the sources for these claims
2014-02-12 00:36 <Melanie_T> Thread.Abort does not unlock locks. Solution: have only private locks that can die with the thread
2014-02-12 00:36 <justincc> sources
2014-02-12 00:37 <Melanie_T> Thread.Abort does not clean up structs and classes. but the GC does if you shepherd your references and keep things to class vars (not locals) where possible
2014-02-12 00:37 <justincc> sources
2014-02-12 00:37 <Melanie_T> and I don't have the sources for all I learned in the past 5 years
2014-02-12 00:37 <Melanie_T> but most of my knowledge is from MSDN
2014-02-12 00:37 <justincc> well, I have learned that thread abort seriously screws mono up in certain situations
2014-02-12 00:37 <Melanie_T> a small part from stackoverflow
2014-02-12 00:38 <justincc> and I have many references where thread abort is a really bad call
2014-02-12 00:38 <justincc> if you want to take risks with avinatio nthen fine, but don't force them on us
2014-02-12 00:38 <Melanie_T> yes it does. If the thread being aborted isn't ready to be aborted
2014-02-12 00:38 <Melanie_T> but threads can be written to be abortable
2014-02-12 00:38 <justincc> no, there is no evidence for this
2014-02-12 00:38 <justincc> apart from your own private experience
2014-02-12 00:39 <Melanie_T> on a vailla thread using several specific language features, yes, it's not a bad call, it's death knell
2014-02-12 00:39 <Melanie_T> XEngine in preemptive mode doesn't crash because i've run into all these issues and found out how to avoid them
2014-02-12 00:39 <Melanie_T> i also did lots of very time consuming GC tests with it
2014-02-12 00:40 <Melanie_T> the script thread _as I have written it_ is abort safe
2014-02-12 00:40 <Melanie_T> dunno about later changes
2014-02-12 00:50 <justincc> great, that's all my time wasted.  Goodnight folks
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2014-02-12 05:12 <Guest75985> Starting build #3295 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-12 05:12 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2014-02-12 05:12 <nebadon_laptop> figures I just updated all my regions 5 minutes ago
2014-02-12 05:12 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-02-12 05:16 <Guest75985> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3295: SUCCESS in 7 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3295/
2014-02-12 05:16 <Guest75985> * misterblue: varregion: Send large region patches for wind and clouds.
2014-02-12 05:16 <Guest75985> * misterblue: BulletSim: the minimum vehicle velocity was set too low so moving slow
2014-02-12 10:11 <osmantis> Bug #7006:04 Online status and last seen date of group members not shown 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7006 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-12 16:18 <Thonneve> Anyone know what masters current version is?
2014-02-12 19:37 <Arielle_> http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Featured-News/Fitted-Mesh-Is-Here/ba-p/2461687
2014-02-12 19:40 <paulieflomar> Arielle, do you know of any luqiuid mesh  fitted mesh sytle content that is available in OpenSim?
2014-02-12 19:41 <Arielle_> not come across any as yet paulieflomar
2014-02-12 19:41 <Arielle_> maybe Kitely market?
2014-02-12 19:41 <paulieflomar> Thx. I havent found any, either.
2014-02-12 19:42 <Arielle_> inworldz might have  as they have had the other mesh resizer  for a while already
2014-02-12 19:43 <paulieflomar> k
2014-02-12 19:45 <nebadon_laptop> I would be surprised if this works in OpenSim yet anywhere
2014-02-12 19:46 <nebadon_laptop> it probably will require Libomv updates, but I am guessing
2014-02-12 19:46 <nebadon_laptop> lkalif might know better
2014-02-12 19:46 <Arielle_> do any of the tpv's already suport it?
2014-02-12 19:47 <nebadon_laptop> I would also doubt that very much
2014-02-12 19:47 <Arielle_> otherwise the point is moot 
2014-02-12 19:47 <nebadon_laptop> I cant say I am paying attention 100%, but this stuff is super new
2014-02-12 19:47 <nebadon_laptop> so I would be surprised if anyone has yet
2014-02-12 19:47 <nebadon_laptop> the other question is does this require any Havok libraries
2014-02-12 19:47 <nebadon_laptop> if it does then we may not see support for some time
2014-02-12 19:48 <nebadon_laptop> I would really not be surprised if they are using some havok stuff 
2014-02-12 19:48 <paulieflomar> Singularity has supported it since 1.8.5, apparently: http://modemworld.wordpress.com/2014/01/29/singularity-1-8-5-fitted-mesh-mouse-move-and-more/
2014-02-12 19:49 <paulieflomar> Take that howeber you wish, I guess.
2014-02-12 19:49 <LiruCookies> It does not require havok
2014-02-12 19:49 <LiruCookies> It uses the same concept as rigged mesh did before
2014-02-12 19:49 <LiruCookies> It just adds more places to rig to.
2014-02-12 19:50 <LiruCookies> I believe it should work on Opensim... but you should test, I think there's free content somewhere...
2014-02-12 19:50 <Arielle_> so no server side changes needed 
2014-02-12 19:50 <Arielle_> ?
2014-02-12 19:50 <LiruCookies> I believe not... I cannot say as I'm only a viewer dev, I don't know if anything went on with the server side.
2014-02-12 19:51 <paulieflomar> I'd love to try some this content.
2014-02-12 19:51 <LiruCookies> To test, just rig to one of the new places
2014-02-12 19:51 <nebadon_laptop> great
2014-02-12 19:51 <nebadon_laptop> thanks for responding LiruCookies
2014-02-12 19:51 <paulieflomar> woot!
2014-02-12 19:59 <danbanner> ive seen some of the new skeleton rigs on the sl wiki someplace
2014-02-12 20:07 <LiruCookies> Oh, you want those?
2014-02-12 20:07 <LiruCookies> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mesh/Rigging_Fitted_Mesh
2014-02-12 20:08 <paulieflomar> sweet
2014-02-12 20:16 <Thonneve> nebadon_laptop: Is there any rules against distrobuting opensim git assuming I'm not giving people a package of it, I'm giving them a package that runs automagically to compile and setup opensim.. if that makes sense
2014-02-12 20:21 <Thonneve> In fact anyone can provide input on that question if possible
2014-02-12 20:23 <Plugh> Are there any known problems (using 076PF) re: building at heights above 4096m?
2014-02-12 20:23 <LiruCookies> Seeing as opensource, I don't see why there should be any restriction...
2014-02-12 20:24 <Melanie_T> above 4096, type width issues can occur because values are floats, not doubles
2014-02-12 20:24 <Melanie_T> so you will see inexactness of building
2014-02-12 20:24 <Plugh> ok. I've been told someone built some stuff at 7500m and it was fine but today they are having problems.
2014-02-12 20:24 <Melanie_T> inability to use tuny prims
2014-02-12 20:25 <Melanie_T> stuff like that
2014-02-12 20:25 <Melanie_T> rezzing from scripts may not work
2014-02-12 20:25 <Melanie_T> what is the point of building in those heights?
2014-02-12 20:25 <Melanie_T> there is a perfectl fine ground to build on
2014-02-12 20:26 <Melanie_T> i'll never understadn people's love affair with skyboxes
2014-02-12 20:27 <LiruCookies> Melanie_T: It's futuristic
2014-02-12 20:27 <Plugh> I don't know why they are using 7500m. I understand building above ground. You can have one look at ground level and others at heigher places in the same region.
2014-02-12 20:27 <Melanie_T> well, that could still be done at 2048 or 1024
2014-02-12 20:28 <Melanie_T> you can't see the ground from there either
2014-02-12 20:28 <Melanie_T> Plugh: why? sims are a dime a dozen in opensim
2014-02-12 20:28 <Plugh> I do my development work at 1,000m on a platform I put up there.. 
2014-02-12 20:28 <Melanie_T> want more space? use more sims!
2014-02-12 20:28 <Melanie_T> i do my dev work on dedicated sims on the ground
2014-02-12 20:28 <Plugh> That's fine in osgrid where you don't have to pay for the regions.
2014-02-12 20:28 <Melanie_T> i've learned the hard way that sometimes the sky is a bad place to dev
2014-02-12 20:29 <Melanie_T> well, of course. i'm not talking about SL 
2014-02-12 20:29 <LiruCookies> The ground is kinda annoying at times what with physics issues.
2014-02-12 20:30 <LiruCookies> I'd rather walk on a flat surface 30m up.
2014-02-12 20:30 <LiruCookies> Still no reason to go all the way into the sky.
2014-02-12 20:31 <Thonneve> LiruCookies: I was just making sure, I made a pkgbuild for Arch and put it on the AUR but I was going to remove it if there where any problems doing so
2014-02-12 20:32 <Arielle_> depends how many levels you want
2014-02-12 20:32 <Arielle_> i have one sim with  sim sized platform every 1000 meters or so
2014-02-12 20:33 <Plugh> I just use one platform. My ground level is what I want people to see once I get things built/working.
2014-02-12 20:33 <Melanie_T> but why put so much load on it
2014-02-12 20:33 <Melanie_T> instead of multiple sims?
2014-02-12 20:34 <Arielle_> one instance....easier to start
2014-02-12 20:34 <Arielle_> there is no limits on prims per region
2014-02-12 20:34 <Melanie_T> it makes them laggy
2014-02-12 20:35 <Plugh> It isn't a major load. I'm still no where near even 15,000 prims. Probably only a few thousand. Its easy to say just add a new sim when you are running a grid where regions doesn't cost you any money.
2014-02-12 20:35 <Arielle_> no less then starting 4-5 instances
2014-02-12 20:35 <Arielle_> and save the 100 mb for every instance start
2014-02-12 20:36 <Plugh> I could use a sandbox but those get cleared now and then so works in progress could get returned before work is completed on items.
2014-02-12 20:42 <Thonneve> Melanie_T: I agree, I used to have a lot of sky based projects, one wrong move and it'd all come crashing to the ground
2014-02-12 20:43 <Thonneve> Which in fact did happen once...
2014-02-12 20:43 <Thonneve> My CPU did not like it
2014-02-12 20:47 <nebadon_laptop> Thonneve no there are no restrictions
2014-02-12 20:47 <nebadon_laptop> however you would be better off using our github page
2014-02-12 20:48 <Thonneve> It uses github to pull the source
2014-02-12 20:48 <nebadon_laptop> http://github.com/nebadon2025/opensimulator
2014-02-12 20:48 <Thonneve> Think of it as a shell script that pulls the source, compiles it, packages it up and installs the package
2014-02-12 20:48 <nebadon_laptop> ya that is fine
2014-02-12 20:48 <Thonneve> I thought it would be
2014-02-12 20:48 <Thonneve> Wanted to make sure
2014-02-12 20:48 <nebadon_laptop> but if you think its going to be happening a lot use github
2014-02-12 20:49 <Thonneve> It's for other people who may not be able to setup the services and such
2014-02-12 20:49 <Thonneve> For systemd
2014-02-12 21:00 <Arielle_> for windows or linux Thonneve?
2014-02-12 21:00 <Thonneve> Arch linux
2014-02-12 21:16 <Thonneve> Arielle_: Are you wanting services for windows?
2014-02-12 21:17 <Arielle_> not for myself but think there is a demand out there for something of the sort. Would likely have more people testing  master if there was.
2014-02-12 21:17 <Arielle_> closes one  can get now is to modify an osgrid distribution but it isnt the best solution  
2014-02-12 21:25 <Thonneve> Only problem is git changes rapidly
2014-02-12 21:25 <Arielle_> it can though it hasnt recently so much :)
2014-02-12 22:04 <lkalif> regarding fitted mesh / liquid mesh questions from above: the changes are inside the mesh asset, so no sim changes are needed. Currently Singularity and Linden official support it. But I Guess the next release of all viewers will add support for it.
2014-02-12 22:15 <Arielle_> wonder if the others will be removing  the mesh deformer
2014-02-12 22:16 <lkalif> deformer has no reason to exist
2014-02-12 22:20 <Arielle_> some have a differing opinion on that but we been through that before
2014-02-12 22:25 <lkalif> Well Singularity never had the defermer, it's bad code, and now there is no reason for it.
2014-02-12 22:34 <smxy> Why do you say it's 'bad code'? Qarl Linden wrote it and he's supposedly a pretty good programmer.
2014-02-12 22:35 <smxy> Well, the former Qarl Linden, after he left LL.
2014-02-12 22:35 <lkalif> having worked at LL doesn't mean automamtic magic pixie dust
2014-02-12 22:36 <smxy> Of course.
2014-02-12 22:36 <lkalif> the code was low-perforamnce, poorly implemented
2014-02-12 22:36 <Arielle_> inworldz made some fixes to it
2014-02-12 22:36 <lkalif> I hear that he has fixed some of the issues for Inwordz viewer
2014-02-12 22:36 <smxy> I was just curious, because he was paid for that development.
2014-02-12 22:36 <lkalif> I haven't seen Inwordz version
2014-02-12 22:37 <lkalif> 'but the one attached to LL Jira was poorly implemented
2014-02-12 22:37 <danbanner> ya like $5k or something wasnt it?
2014-02-12 22:37 <smxy> Yes, $5K. I was one of the contributors.
2014-02-12 22:38 <lkalif> Singularity didn't decide out of spite not to include deformer code. People have looked over it, and then decided that it would be harmful to add it.
2014-02-12 22:38 <Arielle_> in any case it got Ozzy off his ass  to put something in place  
2014-02-12 22:39 <smxy> If it led to something better, we all win.
2014-02-12 22:39 <Arielle_> not all agree that LL's solution is better and considering track record it is  rather doubtful
2014-02-12 22:40 <smxy> We shall see, eh? :)
2014-02-12 22:40 <lkalif> Arielle_: when I pit you doubters, against real coders, I'm pretty sure of the outcome ;)
2014-02-12 22:41 <danbanner> heh
2014-02-12 22:41 <smxy> I didn't assume a negative mtivation on Sigularity's part, for not adding it, lkalif - I just was curious why you thought it bad, and only because I helped - in a small way - to pay for it.
2014-02-12 22:41 <Arielle_> there are coders on both sides of that coin lkalif
2014-02-12 22:42 <lkalif> Arielle_: who thought deformer was good?
2014-02-12 22:42 <Arielle_> well Qarl to begin with, Inworldz people seem to like it
2014-02-12 22:43 <smxy> Zen viewer had it too, as I recall.
2014-02-12 22:43 <Arielle_> where a number of people in different s/l forums whose posts i ran across
2014-02-12 22:43 <lkalif> smxy: I know. Siana and Shyotl from the Singularity team really looked at it, and discovered many performance and other issues with the code. And that it wasn't really well designed.
2014-02-12 22:43 <lkalif> Arielle_: you said there are named coders that disagree. 
2014-02-12 22:44 <lkalif> So name them, or I'll put it under "you thrid's cousin's wife's hair dresser" category :P
2014-02-12 22:44 <Arielle_> i didn't say anything about named coders. 
2014-02-12 22:45 <lkalif> ok some abstract imaginary people on the other side of that coin :P
2014-02-12 22:46 <Arielle_> you got it but in any case Inworldz was able to quickly better the code
2014-02-12 22:46 <Arielle_> and all code is after  all a wip
2014-02-12 22:47 <Arielle_> but  in the final analysis the deformer code sounded like it was easier for both creators and users
2014-02-12 23:19 <Guest75985> Starting build #13 for job opensim-justincc » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-12 23:23 <Guest75985> Project opensim-justincc » mono-2.10.8.1 build #13: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim-justincc/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/13/
2014-02-12 23:23 <Guest75985> * jjustincc: Fixed: Windlight functions caused an error if called when the script's owner isn't in the scene
2014-02-12 23:23 <Guest75985> * jjustincc: minor: Add Ai Austin to additional OpenSim contributors by request as he has added config corrections and does extensive liaison with other projects
2014-02-12 23:23 <Guest75985> * jjustincc: Revert "Fixed: Windlight functions caused an error if called when the script's owner isn't in the scene"
2014-02-12 23:23 <Guest75985> * jjustincc: Fixed: Windlight functions caused an error if called when the script's owner isn't in the scene
2014-02-12 23:23 <Guest75985> * jjustincc: Following on from 50ea2e0, only fetch scene presence for check if lightscript function has failed initial IsEstateManagerOrOwner() check
2014-02-12 23:23 <Guest75985> * jjustincc: Stop exceptions being generated on agent connection if a telehub object has been deleted or has no spawn points.
2014-02-12 23:23 <Guest75985> * jjustincc: Add "generate map" console command to allow manual regeneration and storage of maptiles
2014-02-12 23:23 <Guest75985> * jjustincc: Properly dispose of drawing objects to reduce/stop memory leakage on generating map tiles with the MapImageModule and TexturedMapTileRenderer (the current defaults)
2014-02-12 23:23 <Guest75985> * jjustincc: Skip IClientAPIs that don't implement IStatsCollector (such as NPCAvatar) from the "show queues" console report to stop screwing up formatting.
2014-02-12 23:23 <Guest75985> * jjustincc: minor: correct the usage statement on the "show image queues" console command - should not have been "image queues show"
2014-02-12 23:23 <Guest75985> * jjustincc: minor: remove long unused state queue from "show queues" console reports
2014-02-12 23:23 <Guest75985> * jjustincc: Make inidirectory files supercede distro files
2014-02-12 23:23 <Guest75985> * jjustincc: Convert tabs to spaces from previous commit 8c2b41b01
2014-02-12 23:23 <Guest75985> * jjustincc: Added osGetRegionSize(), which returns the region size in meters and recognizes megaregions
2014-02-12 23:23 <Guest75985> * jjustincc: Add "show grid user" robust/standalone console command for debug purposes.
2014-02-12 23:23 <Guest75985> * jjustincc: Record whether login to home fails because no home set (UUID.Zero) or region not found.
2014-02-12 23:23 <Guest75985> * jjustincc: Updated methods for handling LSL script errors, deprecated, and not implemented
2014-02-12 23:29 <dahlia> what's the deal with Guest75985? 
2014-02-12 23:29 <lkalif> jenkins lost his password?
2014-02-12 23:29 <justincc> don't know
2014-02-12 23:29 <justincc> could be
2014-02-12 23:30 <justincc> lkalif: any chance to look at that patch from tranq yet?
2014-02-12 23:30 <lkalif> freenode will rename nick if it is registered to someone
2014-02-12 23:30 <lkalif> no :(
2014-02-12 23:30 <justincc> k :)
2014-02-12 23:30 <lkalif> I really need to do some maintanence
2014-02-12 23:31 <lkalif> justincc: there are some changes in viewer-interesting that might be relevant to opensim
2014-02-12 23:31 <dahlia> viewer-interesting? that a LL branch?
2014-02-12 23:31 <lkalif> yes
2014-02-12 23:32 <justincc> what changes are they?
2014-02-12 23:32 <dahlia> interest list stuff?
2014-02-12 23:32 <lkalif> it's not in any mainstream viewers yet, but it's a nice optimization
2014-02-12 23:33 <dahlia> whazzit dooo?
2014-02-12 23:33 <lkalif> justincc: I don't know if you're familiar with the way object updates are sent. But tl;dr; version is: sim says "do you have this object cached, viewer seays no, send me full update"
2014-02-12 23:33 <justincc> wasn't there some object caching before?
2014-02-12 23:33 <dahlia> oh I thought that was in production already in SL
2014-02-12 23:33 <lkalif> they added a flag to region handshake, one of the first messages exchanged
2014-02-12 23:34 <justincc> as to whether object caching is active or not?
2014-02-12 23:34 <lkalif> so now viewer can say "look, I've never been here before, don't ask me if I have individual objects cached, I have no cache from you, just send me full updates straight"
2014-02-12 23:35 <misterblue> what's the scope of 'never been here'... per region?
2014-02-12 23:35 <lkalif> misterblue: region, right
2014-02-12 23:35 <dahlia> I didnt think full updates were that much data compared to mesh/textures/whatever
2014-02-12 23:35 <lkalif> dahlia: it's not that. it's to avoid "ObjectUpdateCached -> RequestMultipleObjects -> ObjectUpdate" exchange
2014-02-12 23:36 <lkalif> Now, I don't know if OpenSim checks that at all
2014-02-12 23:36 <misterblue> doesn't OpenSim just send a full update for everything in the region when the viewer first connects?
2014-02-12 23:36 <lkalif> or it just sends full object updates
2014-02-12 23:36 <dahlia> oh I dont know that exchange
2014-02-12 23:36 <dahlia> misterblue: yes
2014-02-12 23:37 <lkalif> misterblue: I'm not sure about that. I know that Aurora supports object caching in the viewers by sending object version/serial
2014-02-12 23:37 <justincc> yes, opensim does no caching check at present
2014-02-12 23:37 <dahlia> there is some interest list stuff in core but I have no idea if it works
2014-02-12 23:37 <justincc> I did read something about aurora doing something with that
2014-02-12 23:37 <lkalif> ok then this change is not relevant to opensim
2014-02-12 23:37 <misterblue> but it is something that would be nice to add
2014-02-12 23:37 <dahlia> well it may be if we decide to add caching support
2014-02-12 23:38 <misterblue> 
ACTION adds another item to his several foot long TODO list

2014-02-12 23:38 <lkalif> there is also another flag to disable sim-side object culling. basically a way for viewer to say "don't kill objects that are outside my furstum, I'll deal with that viewer-side. also send me all objects no matter where they are"
2014-02-12 23:38 <dahlia> only several feet? meh
2014-02-12 23:39 <dahlia> culling should be on the viewer anyway :P
2014-02-12 23:39 <justincc> how so?
2014-02-12 23:40 <zadarkAlt> justincc. Mantis 0006957 marked as resolved, yet it appears HttpServer dll has not been updated. Stand corrected if wrong.
2014-02-12 23:40 <lkalif> prior to this change viewer sort of depended on the sim to help. now they redid the whole thing to be much more perforance and memory optimmized
2014-02-12 23:40 <dahlia> because the viewer can do a frustum test of the entire region in a ms. it can take minutes for a sim to transfer the results of a frustum test
2014-02-12 23:40 <dahlia> the viewer has an octree just for such testing
2014-02-12 23:41 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-02-12 23:41 <dahlia> its INSANE to do frustum culling server side
2014-02-12 23:41 <lkalif> dahlia: it was not well optiized. it used too much memory viewer side. something viewer-intereseting finally addresses
2014-02-12 23:42 <dahlia> it's still INSANE to do it server side. Fix it viewer side and do it the way every other 3D app on the planet does it :P
2014-02-12 23:42 <justincc> zadarkAlt: right.  That was just a source code line ending changing, nothing functional that would affect HttpServer.dll
2014-02-12 23:43 <zadarkAlt> Thanks
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2014-02-13 02:14 <arthursv> Has anyone ever tried OpenSim on mono-sgen? I'm getting terrible performance with the SGEN GC
2014-02-13 03:25 <dahlia> arthursv: I have but it's been awhile
2014-02-13 03:25 <dahlia> I wasn't impressed
2014-02-13 03:26 <nebadon_laptop> it really depends on what version of mono your running
2014-02-13 03:26 <nebadon_laptop> if your in the 2.10.x then yes do not run sgen its horribly bad
2014-02-13 03:26 <nebadon_laptop> if your running 3.1+ its way improved
2014-02-13 03:26 <nebadon_laptop> infact in 3.2.x+ its the default now
2014-02-13 03:27 <nebadon_laptop> however, with opensimulator you will find absolutely no difference with sgen in terms of memory gains
2014-02-13 03:27 <nebadon_laptop> to really take advangtage of sgen your application really needs to be written to do so
2014-02-13 03:28 <nebadon_laptop> you may need to increase your gc pool
2014-02-13 03:28 <nebadon_laptop> its probably thrashing the cpu
2014-02-13 03:28 <dahlia> all I know is half of my pathfinding code causes severe leaks in mono and workd perfectly in windows
2014-02-13 03:28 <dahlia> and sgen doesnt help and mono devs dont know why
2014-02-13 03:28 <nebadon_laptop> export MONO_GC_PARAMS=nursery-size=64m
2014-02-13 03:29 <nebadon_laptop> to do so
2014-02-13 03:29 <nebadon_laptop> that does not surprise me at all dahlia
2014-02-13 03:29 <dahlia> I had to rewrite that part in c++ and run it in a separate process
2014-02-13 03:30 <dahlia> much faster anyway :P
2014-02-13 03:30 <nebadon_laptop> getting mono devs to look at bugs is very difficult you basically have to provide them with a full functional snippot of code that reacreates the problem easily
2014-02-13 03:30 <dahlia> oh a few looked
2014-02-13 03:30 <dahlia> I went to their sekrit IRC network and a few tried to help
2014-02-13 03:30 <nebadon_laptop> hehe
2014-02-13 03:31 <nebadon_laptop> ya probably better luck that way
2014-02-13 03:31 <nebadon_laptop> if you go on bugzilla though, forget it
2014-02-13 03:31 <dahlia> I think they care more about monotouch anyway
2014-02-13 03:31 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-02-13 03:31 <dahlia> cant say I blame them lol
2014-02-13 05:07 <Thonneve> Today we shall find out if opensim will run under armv7h
2014-02-13 05:24 <Thonneve> We need armv7 mysql stuffs
2014-02-13 05:24 <nebadon_laptop> hah, I don't think it will be fully functional without a lot of work
2014-02-13 05:24 <nebadon_laptop> physics will be hard
2014-02-13 05:25 <Thonneve> And hilarious
2014-02-13 05:25 <nebadon_laptop> openjpeg might be tough too
2014-02-13 05:25 <nebadon_laptop> but maybe not
2014-02-13 05:25 <Thonneve> It's a shame we don't have armv7 connectors
2014-02-13 05:25 <nebadon_laptop> the core opensimulator code should be ok
2014-02-13 05:26 <nebadon_laptop> its all the dll libraries we include that is the problem
2014-02-13 05:26 <Thonneve> The core opensim code works, it's just certain plugins
2014-02-13 05:26 <nebadon_laptop> they need to all be recompiled for arm
2014-02-13 05:26 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-02-13 05:26 <Thonneve> Are the plugins C#?
2014-02-13 05:26 <nebadon_laptop> unlikely
2014-02-13 05:26 <nebadon_laptop> most are C++
2014-02-13 05:26 <Thonneve> Even better
2014-02-13 05:27 <Thonneve> I could recompile them for ARM since I have native arm compiling here
2014-02-13 05:27 <nebadon_laptop> ya the only one I am not really sure about is the physics stuff
2014-02-13 05:27 <Thonneve> Does opensim require physics to run?
2014-02-13 05:27 <nebadon_laptop> no but you wont be able to do much
2014-02-13 05:27 <nebadon_laptop> the basic physics module would probably work
2014-02-13 05:27 <nebadon_laptop> but that is basically just terrain collision
2014-02-13 05:27 <Thonneve> That's what I was thinking of using
2014-02-13 05:27 <nebadon_laptop> and everything is a cube
2014-02-13 05:27 <nebadon_laptop> no hollows
2014-02-13 05:27 <nebadon_laptop> no cuts 
2014-02-13 05:28 <Thonneve> Atleast on the assumption that it worked anyway
2014-02-13 05:28 <nebadon_laptop> you get a lot of invisible walls
2014-02-13 05:28 <nebadon_laptop> it should work
2014-02-13 05:28 <nebadon_laptop> its C#
2014-02-13 05:28 <Thonneve> Yeah but considering it's running on a HTC One that'd be something that's never been done before
2014-02-13 05:29 <Thonneve> Where can I grab the MySQL connector source from?
2014-02-13 05:30 <Thonneve> We'll see how much I can get working before I hit a brick wall
2014-02-13 05:31 <lkalif> there is armv7 openjpeg, I know Lumiya uses it
2014-02-13 05:32 <lkalif> (Android SL/OpenSim client)
2014-02-13 05:32 <Thonneve> Thought so
2014-02-13 05:32 <Thonneve> Isn't it a requirement of mono?
2014-02-13 05:32 <Thonneve> Atleast to compile it?
2014-02-13 05:32 <lkalif> no
2014-02-13 05:55 <dahlia> there is a c# jpeg2000 lib and a c# physics lib. the physics lib should work but is pretty slow, the jpeg2000 one might take code changes to work
2014-02-13 05:55 <dahlia> and you should be able to use sqlite instead of mysql
2014-02-13 05:55 <dahlia> unless you are setting up a grid
2014-02-13 05:56 <lkalif> aren't there full linux distros built for arm?
2014-02-13 05:56 <dahlia> full? 
2014-02-13 05:56 <dahlia> debian has a arm distro
2014-02-13 05:57 <dahlia> not sure what "full" means tho
2014-02-13 05:57 <nebadon_laptop> oh thats right i forgot about the C# bullet version
2014-02-13 05:57 <lkalif> (Android SL/OpenSim client)yeah like ubuntu
2014-02-13 05:57 <lkalif> erm
2014-02-13 05:57 <lkalif> yes, like ubuntu for arm
2014-02-13 05:57 <nebadon_laptop> opensuse has arm version too I think
2014-02-13 05:58 <nebadon_laptop> but I know a lot of times with arm7 it has to really be geared towards a specific board
2014-02-13 05:58 <lkalif> i bet those come with mysql and the whole thing
2014-02-13 05:59 <lkalif> I don't know why people bother with arm :P
2014-02-13 05:59 <nebadon_laptop> http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:ARM
2014-02-13 05:59 <lkalif> Unless you want to run it on a mobile device
2014-02-13 05:59 <nebadon_laptop> its a challenge
2014-02-13 05:59 <nebadon_laptop> these tiny arm motherboards remind me of the C64 days
2014-02-13 05:59 <nebadon_laptop> like RaspberryPi
2014-02-13 06:00 <lkalif> you can get a real laptop for $300. with screen and keyboard
2014-02-13 06:00 <dahlia> I used to run debian on a nslu2 box and I've run testclient bots on it
2014-02-13 06:00 <nebadon_laptop> ya but those just work out of the box
2014-02-13 06:00 <nebadon_laptop> thats no fun
2014-02-13 06:00 <nebadon_laptop> computers arent fun unless nothing works!!
2014-02-13 06:00 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-02-13 06:01 <nebadon_laptop> its a good learning platform though too
2014-02-13 06:01 <nebadon_laptop> but I think most people just see it a fun challenge, to see if you can
2014-02-13 06:02 <nebadon_laptop> though you can do some neat stuff to with them, like a very low power media center pc, make your TV into a computer
2014-02-13 06:03 <dahlia> some people climb mt everest, some people do jigsaw puzzles, some people try to run opensim on severely underpowered hardware
2014-02-13 06:03 <nebadon_laptop> lol ya
2014-02-13 06:03 <nebadon_laptop> i had it running great on a pentium 3
2014-02-13 06:03 <nebadon_laptop> with 1gb ram
2014-02-13 06:04 <dahlia> I run 10-15 osgrid regions on a atom cpu
2014-02-13 06:04 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11
2014-02-13 06:05 <lkalif> 4gb ram, touch screen, from asus, 500GB hard http://tinyurl.com/qyykrr6
2014-02-13 06:05 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12
2014-02-13 06:06 <lkalif> $279.99
2014-02-13 06:06 <nebadon_laptop> link doesnt work, but ya
2014-02-13 06:06 <lkalif> comes with windows 8, will kill any "media mahine"
2014-02-13 06:06 <nebadon_laptop> if your looking for a fully function everyday computer, it doesnt make sense
2014-02-13 06:07 <nebadon_laptop> i mean even on my crazy modern Galaxy Note II, there is no way i could do everything I need
2014-02-13 06:07 <lkalif> that tinyurl doesn't work for you?
2014-02-13 06:08 <lkalif> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-11-6-34-touch-screen-laptop-4gb-memory-500gb-hard-drive-black/2912671.p;jsessionid=3CAD1A5B55ECDEE70418A80C39DDF4F0.bbolsp-app02-194?id=1219083269681&skuId=2912671
2014-02-13 06:08 <dahlia> not for me either
2014-02-13 06:08 <nebadon_laptop> to me its like demoscene competition, why on earth would anyone want to make a 4k demo
2014-02-13 06:08 <nebadon_laptop> but they do
2014-02-13 06:08 <nebadon_laptop> ya the bestbuy link expired it says
2014-02-13 06:08 <nebadon_laptop> probably needs a cookie
2014-02-13 06:08 <lkalif> bah
2014-02-13 06:08 <nebadon_laptop> that one worked
2014-02-13 06:08 <nebadon_laptop> ya those are nice
2014-02-13 06:08 <nebadon_laptop> i have an HP1000NR
2014-02-13 06:08 <lkalif> anyway I'm amazed that you can get 4GB ram 500 GB hard drive for $279
2014-02-13 06:08 <nebadon_laptop> its a 1.6ghz single core atom with 2gb ram and a 16b SSD
2014-02-13 06:08 <nebadon_laptop> was like 225$
2014-02-13 06:09 <dahlia> 11" screen? EWWWWW
2014-02-13 06:09 <nebadon_laptop> its nice, but its hard to do anything on it
2014-02-13 06:09 <nebadon_laptop> ya thats a typical netbook, mine has 10"
2014-02-13 06:09 <dahlia> I have 17" screen and even it's too small
2014-02-13 06:09 <nebadon_laptop> i run opensuse on mine though, its not bad, made a good commication machine for IRC and Skype
2014-02-13 06:09 <lkalif> i have two 24" monitors
2014-02-13 06:09 <dahlia> no I mean laptop
2014-02-13 06:10 <nebadon_laptop> ya my current laptop sitting next to that little netbook it looks ridiculous
2014-02-13 06:10 <nebadon_laptop> its like elephant and fly
2014-02-13 06:10 <lkalif> but I was questioning the wisdom of media center pcs on those cheap arm boards
2014-02-13 06:10 <nebadon_laptop> oh
2014-02-13 06:10 <lkalif> any super cheap laptop will do better
2014-02-13 06:10 <dahlia> hackerspace
2014-02-13 06:10 <nebadon_laptop> well you can make a computer that runs off the tvs usb port
2014-02-13 06:10 <nebadon_laptop> no power plugs
2014-02-13 06:10 <nebadon_laptop> bluetooth keyboard and mouse
2014-02-13 06:10 <lkalif> a laptop this small doesn't use much ram
2014-02-13 06:10 <nebadon_laptop> make a dumb tv into a smart tv
2014-02-13 06:11 <lkalif> erm power
2014-02-13 06:11 <dahlia> 4gb goes pretty fast when a few browser tabs are open
2014-02-13 06:11 <nebadon_laptop> also, they are good for doing robotics
2014-02-13 06:11 <nebadon_laptop> controlin arduinos
2014-02-13 06:11 <nebadon_laptop> and servos and stuff
2014-02-13 06:13 <nebadon_laptop> http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/desktops/25-fun-things-to-do-with-a-raspberry-pi-50009851/
2014-02-13 06:13 <nebadon_laptop> #25 is my fav
2014-02-13 06:16 <lkalif> lol
2014-02-13 06:16 <dahlia> lol
2014-02-13 06:16 <dahlia> I bet a i7 will run circles around that thing for a lot less $
2014-02-13 06:16 <lkalif> yeah
2014-02-13 06:20 <lkalif> I've seen these super-cheap android "laptops" for like under $100
2014-02-13 06:21 <lkalif> like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1M80H31141
2014-02-13 06:21 <lkalif> 1 GB ram 4 GB flash
2014-02-13 06:21 <lkalif> I bet those can be hacked in all sorts of interesting ways
2014-02-13 06:24 <dahlia> I'd rather have windows or a desktop linux than android on something like that
2014-02-13 06:24 <dahlia> tablet apps are lame
2014-02-13 06:25 <lkalif> I mean for 80 bucks you get a touch screen and wifi and network/usb. It's cheap enough for hack it and use it as a display for controlling stuff around the house
2014-02-13 06:26 <dahlia> ya it is pretty cheap
2014-02-13 06:26 <dahlia> if it can be easily interfaced
2014-02-13 06:27 <lkalif> yes, it has standard usb and ethernet and wifi
2014-02-13 06:27 <dahlia> but android sux
2014-02-13 06:28 <dahlia> (IMHO)
2014-02-13 06:30 <nebadon_laptop> ya dont get me wrong, I am all about the power machines lol, the faster the better
2014-02-13 06:30 <lkalif> For guys that like to tinker with stuff, it gets expensive fast. I bet that the keypad for entering password to unlock a door costs more 
2014-02-13 06:30 <nebadon_laptop> I just like the idea of something more challenging, than unboxing a computer and turning it on
2014-02-13 06:31 <nebadon_laptop> you really need to think a lot when your using arm
2014-02-13 06:31 <dahlia> and windows 8 :P
2014-02-13 06:31 <nebadon_laptop> lol ya
2014-02-13 06:31 <lkalif> I can imagine a million things that I could embed little touch screen like that in, for fun stuff around the house
2014-02-13 06:31 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-02-13 06:32 <lkalif> And writing an android app beats tinkering with embedded C :P
2014-02-13 06:32 <dahlia> that thing has touchpad, not touch screen
2014-02-13 06:32 <nebadon_laptop> right, it opens the door to a lot more people being involved in embedded computing
2014-02-13 06:32 <dahlia> but why not use $cheap tablet?
2014-02-13 06:32 <nebadon_laptop> imagine getting a raspberry pi when you were in like 3rd grade
2014-02-13 06:33 <nebadon_laptop> thats why it reminds me a lot of the C64
2014-02-13 06:33 <dahlia> I have a c64 somewhere
2014-02-13 06:33 <nebadon_laptop> i didnt have that until i was like 10 years old
2014-02-13 06:33 <nebadon_laptop> I still have mine too
2014-02-13 06:33 <lkalif> dahlia: yeah. ultra cheap tablets for playing with embedded stuff
2014-02-13 06:34 <dahlia> lkalif: one thing good about cheapie android tablets is you can do java ui
2014-02-13 06:34 <lkalif> android ui is decent enough
2014-02-13 06:35 <dahlia> thats what I meant
2014-02-13 06:35 <lkalif> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA3DC17D1456
2014-02-13 06:35 <lkalif> 7" dual core, half a gig ram, 4 gb flash
2014-02-13 06:35 <nebadon_laptop> dang
2014-02-13 06:35 <nebadon_laptop> thats good deal
2014-02-13 06:35 <lkalif> for $45
2014-02-13 06:35 <nebadon_laptop> right thats absurd
2014-02-13 06:35 <dahlia> lol
2014-02-13 06:36 <dahlia> manufacturer overrun prolly
2014-02-13 06:37 <lkalif> it's cheap enough to screw it on the wall and use it a input keypad for stuff :P
2014-02-13 06:37 <dahlia> ya
2014-02-13 06:37 <nebadon_laptop> right that cost more than my mouse did
2014-02-13 06:37 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-02-13 06:37 <nebadon_laptop> i mean my mouse cost more
2014-02-13 06:37 <dahlia> ya I think my mouse was like $79ish
2014-02-13 06:37 <nebadon_laptop> hard to beleive its that cheap
2014-02-13 06:38 <dahlia> I bet a bunch of those would make a cheaper, faster supercomputer than that pi thing
2014-02-13 06:39 <dahlia> cept maybe for network thruput
2014-02-13 06:43 <dahlia> so why are tablets so cheap and phones so expensive?
2014-02-13 06:44 <lkalif> look, tons and tons of sub $100 android "tablets" http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100013687&IsNodeId=1&PageSize=100&PriceMin=10&PriceMax=100&SrchInDesc=android
2014-02-13 06:45 <nebadon_laptop> its all about the battery and screen with phones
2014-02-13 06:45 <nebadon_laptop> a Retina display isnt cheap
2014-02-13 06:45 <nebadon_laptop> my note2 has a 3300mah
2014-02-13 06:46 <antont> the spec for that $45 one for battery was '2 hours of use'
2014-02-13 06:46 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: did you root yours?
2014-02-13 06:46 <dahlia> theres probably some carrier collusion going on also
2014-02-13 06:46 <antont> but that would suite my current dev needs fine
2014-02-13 06:47 <lkalif> antont: I was more thinking about hacking it to use as an enbedded device in home automation where battery life doesn't matter
2014-02-13 06:47 <dahlia> well my first generation galaxy tab still works pretty well
2014-02-13 06:47 <nebadon_laptop> no im afraid to root it
2014-02-13 06:47 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-02-13 06:47 <nebadon_laptop> 850$ phone
2014-02-13 06:47 <lkalif> I was afraid too ;)
2014-02-13 06:48 <dahlia> I rooted my $cheap android phone
2014-02-13 06:48 <lkalif> But now I run Cynogen Mod on my Galaxy S3
2014-02-13 06:48 <lkalif> works like a harm
2014-02-13 06:48 <lkalif> +c
2014-02-13 06:48 <dahlia> can you get play store apps?
2014-02-13 06:48 <lkalif> yes, the whole lot
2014-02-13 06:48 <dahlia> (not that you actually want them)
2014-02-13 06:48 <lkalif> and the latest 4.4 android
2014-02-13 06:49 <lkalif> you need playstore for android to be worth ;)
2014-02-13 06:49 <dahlia> geeez just about any play store app I look at wants access to all my accounts and contacts and location and a whole bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with the purpose of the app
2014-02-13 06:49 <dahlia> its rediculous
2014-02-13 06:50 <nebadon_laptop> I have android 4.2
2014-02-13 06:50 <nebadon_laptop> err sorry 4.3
2014-02-13 06:50 <lkalif> dahlia: c'est la vie
2014-02-13 06:51 <nebadon_laptop> im pretty happy with it
2014-02-13 06:51 <dahlia> lkalif: so I dont install them
2014-02-13 06:51 <nebadon_laptop> there is an app that lets you block some of those things
2014-02-13 06:51 <nebadon_laptop> evne if the app wants it
2014-02-13 06:51 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: yeah samsung stock software isn't bad
2014-02-13 06:51 <lkalif> for note is more important that S374
2014-02-13 06:51 <dahlia> nebadon_laptop: you prolly need to root
2014-02-13 06:51 <lkalif> s/4
2014-02-13 06:52 <lkalif> for the pen stuff
2014-02-13 06:52 <lkalif> not sure if these custom roms support pen and its apps
2014-02-13 06:52 <lkalif> but for a phone it's no brainer
2014-02-13 06:53 <nebadon_laptop> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.appaholics.applauncher&hl=en
2014-02-13 06:53 <nebadon_laptop> ya the pen is really nice 
2014-02-13 06:54 <nebadon_laptop> I wasnt sure I would use it much but I do
2014-02-13 06:56 <dahlia> that permission app looks cool but I bet the damage was done the first time you ran the app anyway
2014-02-13 06:56 <nebadon_laptop> ya thats possible
2014-02-13 06:56 <nebadon_laptop> you really need to pay attention to apps
2014-02-13 06:58 <Melanie_T> lkalif: what benefits do you get from rooting an android?
2014-02-13 06:58 <Melanie_T> is it as much as jailbreaking an idevice?
2014-02-13 06:58 <Ken_S> Rooting = Free Internet tethering
2014-02-13 06:59 <dahlia> you can tether without rooting
2014-02-13 06:59 <Melanie_T> ok, that's less important in UK/EU
2014-02-13 06:59 <lkalif> Melanie_T: not really. Stock Android allows you to do many things that you have to jailbreak iDevice
2014-02-13 06:59 <Melanie_T> carriers in UK an EU usually allow it anyway
2014-02-13 06:59 <nebadon_laptop> overclocking is one benefit
2014-02-13 06:59 <nebadon_laptop> if your into that
2014-02-13 06:59 <lkalif> Melanie_T: but I like to tinker with things, try different roms, just for the fun of it
2014-02-13 06:59 <Melanie_T> lkalif: i can understand that :)
2014-02-13 06:59 <nebadon_laptop> ya normally I am to
2014-02-13 06:59 <Melanie_T> nebadon_laptop: well, i prefer my phone to be reliable so i woldn't overclock it
2014-02-13 06:59 <Ken_S> Undetected tethering normally requires rooting or special roms.
2014-02-13 06:59 <nebadon_laptop> but doing that on my expensive phone scares me
2014-02-13 07:00 <nebadon_laptop> right me to Melanie_T
2014-02-13 07:00 <dahlia> its all detectable anyway
2014-02-13 07:00 <lkalif> Ken_S: in europe there is no such thing
2014-02-13 07:00 <dahlia> just profile the content
2014-02-13 07:00 <nebadon_laptop> thats why i am afraid to even root it
2014-02-13 07:00 <Melanie_T> Ken_S: tethering seems to be a large issue in the US but in europe most carriers allow it on contracts at no extra charge
2014-02-13 07:00 <lkalif> 'muricans
2014-02-13 07:00 <Melanie_T> i have contracts with 4 different carriers because i maintain both UK and abroad contracts
2014-02-13 07:01 <Melanie_T> they all allow tethering
2014-02-13 07:01 <Melanie_T> although i know their PAYG plans may not
2014-02-13 07:01 <nebadon_laptop> i cant tether for free but i get 2.5gbs a month on my current plan
2014-02-13 07:01 <nebadon_laptop> as tether or wifi hotspot
2014-02-13 07:01 <dahlia> there are some new cell frequencies which are required by US law to provide tehtering
2014-02-13 07:01 <lkalif> you have some GB amount you can use, it's insane that the telco would charge you extra for HOW you use thos
2014-02-13 07:01 <lkalif> dahlia: nonsense
2014-02-13 07:01 <nebadon_laptop> I have unlimited lkalif
2014-02-13 07:02 <nebadon_laptop> on the phone that is why
2014-02-13 07:02 <dahlia> lkalif:  US law
2014-02-13 07:02 <Melanie_T> the only reason i have a tethering enabler is because when i drive through france they disable tethering even though my uk contract allows it
2014-02-13 07:02 <lkalif> dahlia: nonsense
2014-02-13 07:02 <dahlia> google "verizon tethering lawsuit"
2014-02-13 07:02 <Ken_S> Sprint is only one that still has unlimited data, but its so slow compared to AT&T and Verizon.
2014-02-13 07:02 <dahlia> sprint is like a 56k modem
2014-02-13 07:02 <lkalif> dahlia: I connect my phone to my laptop with a usb cable. Then my laptop has insternet. No frequencies involved
2014-02-13 07:03 <Melanie_T> what's in a name? :P
2014-02-13 07:03 <nebadon_laptop> I have T-Mobile, best company ever
2014-02-13 07:03 <dahlia> lkalif: CELL frequencies
2014-02-13 07:03 <LiruCookies> T-Mobile slows you down after you hit their hidden caps.
2014-02-13 07:03 <nebadon_laptop> its not hidden
2014-02-13 07:03 <LiruCookies> It used to be
2014-02-13 07:03 <Melanie_T> my primary stuff is on vodafone. secondary UK stuff on EE (T-Mobile and Orange fusioned) and my secondary DE stuff is on O2
2014-02-13 07:04 <nebadon_laptop> I get 15gb LTE
2014-02-13 07:04 <nebadon_laptop> after that its just 4g
2014-02-13 07:04 <lkalif> dahlia: it uses the same connection to the internet it uses when you browse the web on the phone. it's no different. you're just repeating BS US carriers tell you to justify charging extra for teathering
2014-02-13 07:04 <nebadon_laptop> and i get free 3g in Europe
2014-02-13 07:05 <Melanie_T> lkalif: the point is that they are usually quitefree with pure phone data plans because no one does serious work on the phone
2014-02-13 07:05 <dahlia> lkalif: it's ok if you dont believe me, doesnt change the facts which dont apply to you anyway since you are not in US
2014-02-13 07:05 <Melanie_T> so they can offer you something that sounds good
2014-02-13 07:05 <nebadon_laptop> haha
2014-02-13 07:05 <Melanie_T> but y'll never use up
2014-02-13 07:05 <Melanie_T> now, enter tethering
2014-02-13 07:05 <nebadon_laptop> ya i never even come close
2014-02-13 07:05 <Melanie_T> suddenly you use what they have oversold 10 times
2014-02-13 07:05 <nebadon_laptop> 95% of the time my phone is on wifi
2014-02-13 07:05 <Melanie_T> so you kill their network
2014-02-13 07:05 <nebadon_laptop> i think the most I have ever used of my cap is about 25%
2014-02-13 07:05 <Melanie_T> that is the point
2014-02-13 07:05 <Melanie_T> wnting to be able to offer something that sounds good
2014-02-13 07:05 <Melanie_T> but not having to deliver
2014-02-13 07:05 <lkalif> I have 3 hours talk 3 GB data phone plan and it costs 10€
2014-02-13 07:06 <lkalif> and free SMS
2014-02-13 07:06 <Melanie_T> sms is so last decade
2014-02-13 07:06 <Melanie_T> everyone i know uses what's app
2014-02-13 07:06 <lkalif> depends on your circle of friends
2014-02-13 07:07 <Melanie_T> yes. sms is still big $$$ for carriers
2014-02-13 07:07 <lkalif> viber is quite popular among my friends
2014-02-13 07:07 <Melanie_T> i looked at it a while back but saw no linux support
2014-02-13 07:07 <Melanie_T> maybe it's been added
2014-02-13 07:08 <Melanie_T> but any app that is not purely mobile (where i'd expect ios and android support)
2014-02-13 07:08 <Melanie_T> needs to support all desktop os
2014-02-13 07:08 <lkalif> viber is mostly meant to be a mobile app
2014-02-13 07:10 <Melanie_T> ok, they added linux support
2014-02-13 07:10 <Melanie_T> so it's shaping up to be the new skype :)
2014-02-13 07:10 <Melanie_T> as skype is going down the tubes
2014-02-13 07:15 <Melanie_T> hmm, looks like they made the same mistake skype made 
2014-02-13 07:15 <Melanie_T> i don't see a way to have one window per convo
2014-02-13 07:15 <Melanie_T> on the desktop
2014-02-13 07:15 <lkalif> skype does that
2014-02-13 07:16 <Melanie_T> yes but it has incomplete support
2014-02-13 07:16 <dahlia> mistake skype made? selling out to M$oft?
2014-02-13 07:16 <Melanie_T> it used to be every convo could be set to pop up in a new window
2014-02-13 07:16 <dahlia> oh skype UI is horrid
2014-02-13 07:16 <Melanie_T> now all convos appear in the (huge) main window
2014-02-13 07:17 <lkalif> Melanie_T: you can setup to do the popup thing
2014-02-13 07:17 <Melanie_T> you can break them out but the positions of the chats are not remembered
2014-02-13 07:17 <lkalif> i have
2014-02-13 07:17 <Melanie_T> once you restart, it's all collapsed into the mai window again
2014-02-13 07:17 <Melanie_T> and there is a HUGE amount of white space between the last line typed and the entry box
2014-02-13 07:17 <dahlia> soon to be filled with ads :P
2014-02-13 07:17 <Melanie_T> as small as I keep my convo windows (wide and short rather then slim and tll)
2014-02-13 07:18 <Melanie_T> it wastes half my window
2014-02-13 07:18 <lkalif> dahlia: it's a commercial product. 
2014-02-13 07:18 <lkalif> what do you expect=
2014-02-13 07:18 <Melanie_T> if you pay to have no ads, the white space the ads are in should also collapse
2014-02-13 07:18 <Melanie_T> not just remain white
2014-02-13 07:18 <dahlia> I'm aware of that lkalif
2014-02-13 07:20 <dahlia> do they have a pay for no ads feature? or does just having skype credit get rid of them?
2014-02-13 07:20 <Melanie_T> the errors skype made:
2014-02-13 07:20 <Melanie_T> they sold out to M$
2014-02-13 07:20 <Melanie_T> they tried to unify the tablet and desktop experience
2014-02-13 07:20 <lkalif> spelling M$ like that is so 1990s
2014-02-13 07:20 <dahlia> M$ doesnt bug me 
2014-02-13 07:20 <Melanie_T> they made the osx version like the windows one
2014-02-13 07:21 <dahlia> the UI is abominable
2014-02-13 07:21 <Melanie_T> the old mac version i still use is very osx
2014-02-13 07:21 <Melanie_T> slim, lean, elegant
2014-02-13 07:21 <lkalif> lol
2014-02-13 07:21 <Melanie_T> the new one is just a clumsy huge clusterf...
2014-02-13 07:21 <lkalif> Apple is the worst company in the history of computing
2014-02-13 07:21 <dahlia> and very unfriendly to people with less than perfect vision
2014-02-13 07:22 <dahlia> I heard they hired the same morons that designed SL V2 UI
2014-02-13 07:22 <lkalif> If it was not for Singularity build stuff I would not touch OS x with a 10 foot pole
2014-02-13 07:22 <Melanie_T> dahlia: i actually had to tweak just about everything to get fonts large enough to rad
2014-02-13 07:22 <Melanie_T> screen zoom was the life saver for me
2014-02-13 07:22 <Melanie_T> i use it lots
2014-02-13 07:22 <dahlia> I need inverse colors tho
2014-02-13 07:23 <lkalif> dahlia: it's true, that 80/20 studio or whatever they're called
2014-02-13 07:23 <Melanie_T> for many websites, i have to disable color
2014-02-13 07:23 <dahlia> cant see black fonts on white background unless 100 pt fonts
2014-02-13 07:23 <Melanie_T> because i can't read them unless they're black and white
2014-02-13 07:23 <Melanie_T> colors have too little contrast in many cases
2014-02-13 07:23 <Melanie_T> and my coding terminals are whitte on black
2014-02-13 07:23 <dahlia> Melanie_T: go get your eyes checked
2014-02-13 07:24 <lkalif> web designers love to use light grey on white
2014-02-13 07:24 <dahlia> before its too late
2014-02-13 07:24 <Melanie_T> dahlia: i'm about due again - having them seen to regularly
2014-02-13 07:24 <dahlia> web designers are mostly lame
2014-02-13 07:24 <dahlia> some good ones out there
2014-02-13 07:25 <dahlia> I often zoom in like 500%
2014-02-13 07:25 <lkalif> I need new glasses too
2014-02-13 07:25 <lkalif> can't read small type :P
2014-02-13 07:25 <dahlia> I have about 1/3 of one retina left
2014-02-13 07:25 <lkalif> will have to get some of those bi-focal ones
2014-02-13 07:25 <lkalif> or progressive 
2014-02-13 07:26 <dahlia> I have progressive, they are ok but I think bifocals would have been better
2014-02-13 07:26 <dahlia> progressive afe blurry on sides
2014-02-13 07:26 <dahlia> *are
2014-02-13 07:26 <dahlia> which they didnt tell me about until I had ordered them
2014-02-13 07:27 <lkalif> bi-focal are better than progressive?
2014-02-13 07:27 <dahlia> yes progressive have lots of area which wont focus
2014-02-13 07:28 <Melanie_T> yes that's true, my ex hubby has them
2014-02-13 07:28 <Melanie_T> but they did explain about that
2014-02-13 07:28 <Melanie_T> because if you choose more expensive ones, the sharp vision area at the bottom is wider...
2014-02-13 07:29 <lkalif> so far I get by with a magnifying glass :P I only need it for stuff like fine print, like ingidient lists on food packages
2014-02-13 07:29 <Melanie_T> i use contacts myself
2014-02-13 07:29 <dahlia> I have the expensive ones
2014-02-13 07:29 <Melanie_T> argh! so hard to read the nutrition facts!
2014-02-13 07:29 <Melanie_T> i need them to know how much insulin to inject
2014-02-13 07:29 <dahlia> but one eye is effectively useless so I need all I can get from the other
2014-02-13 07:30 <dahlia> you on shots? pills dont work?
2014-02-13 07:30 <lkalif> ok, so I should ask for bi-focals when I go to get my next set of glasses
2014-02-13 07:33 <Melanie_T> dahlia: i'm a type II but i have insufficient own insulin even with pills
2014-02-13 07:33 <Melanie_T> i use pills to even out the peaks and valleys
2014-02-13 07:33 <Melanie_T> but i have to supplement insulin
2014-02-13 07:34 <Melanie_T> i'm fine with that - when i was on pills only i had to watch my diet much more
2014-02-13 07:34 <Melanie_T> now i still do, it helps that i don't have a sweet tooth
2014-02-13 07:34 <Melanie_T> but at least i'm able to eat out when i wnt to
2014-02-13 07:35 <Melanie_T> lkalif: how did you set your skype to open incoming conversations in new windows?
2014-02-13 07:35 <Melanie_T> i don't see that option here
2014-02-13 07:35 <dahlia> I avoid just about all refined carbos
2014-02-13 07:35 <dahlia> and many fruits
2014-02-13 07:37 <dahlia> lkalif: I'm not saying progressive is bad, you may like them. I like mine for computer work but for outdoors single vision or bifocals would be better for me
2014-02-13 07:37 <lkalif> Melanie_T: view -> compact view
2014-02-13 07:38 <dahlia> there was someone in this channel who used to design software for making progressive lenses but I forgot who it is/was
2014-02-13 07:38 <lkalif> dahlia: so far I can see computer screen just fine with my regular glasses. but I'm begging to have issues with small print on labels
2014-02-13 07:39 <dahlia> nearsighted?
2014-02-13 07:39 <lkalif> yeah
2014-02-13 07:39 <dahlia> look over/under the lens :)
2014-02-13 07:39 <lkalif> well I have some other thing, I don't know what english term is
2014-02-13 07:40 <Melanie_T> lkalif: there is no "compact view" in the osx version (yet?)
2014-02-13 07:40 <dahlia> bifocals have that annoying line, progressive have those annoying blurry areas
2014-02-13 07:41 <lkalif> dictionary says "astigmatism"
2014-02-13 07:41 <lkalif> not sure if you know that word lol
2014-02-13 07:41 <Melanie_T> i guess imperfect eyes can't be fully compensated - there are always annoyances
2014-02-13 07:42 <dahlia> ya I have some astigmatism also, makes things look double even tho I only see in one eye
2014-02-13 07:43 <lkalif> so astigmatism + short sightedess. corrected fine with regular glasses. but now starting to have trouble with reading small text :P
2014-02-13 07:44 <dahlia> oh so you cant read small text up close with no glasses?
2014-02-13 07:45 <lkalif> nah, it's blury. i still can with glasses if i move text away to some distance
2014-02-13 07:45 <dahlia> ah ok
2014-02-13 07:46 <dahlia> I just have a bunch of bad pixels
2014-02-13 07:46 <dahlia> a LOT of bad ones :/
2014-02-13 07:47 <lkalif> it's about time they invent brain/machine interface so we can have bionic eye
2014-02-13 07:47 <lkalif> they already figured out audio interface
2014-02-13 07:47 <dahlia> I'm waiting......
2014-02-13 07:48 <dahlia> they can but you get like 8 binary pixels
2014-02-13 07:48 <dahlia> my eyes are still better than that
2014-02-13 07:48 <Melanie_T> well, new skype has improved some. the mac version now remembers open convos and positions. there is still a lot of whitespace between the text and the entry box :(
2014-02-13 07:48 <lkalif> what are those called, coklear implants. those feed sound directly to audio nerve
2014-02-13 07:49 <dahlia> not sure 
2014-02-13 07:49 <Melanie_T> lkalif: good enough to listen to music?
2014-02-13 07:49 <Melanie_T> or just to barely understand speech?
2014-02-13 07:50 <dahlia> but they have succeeded in letting a completely blind person see 8 dots
2014-02-13 07:50 <lkalif> Melanie_T: I don't know how it feels to deaf people. But they are able to have conversations and function noramally. and have some extra benefits, like being able to turn them off
2014-02-13 07:50 <dahlia> lol
2014-02-13 07:50 <Melanie_T> lol
2014-02-13 07:51 <lkalif> I was watching a documentarty about those. They showed a guy reading a newspeaper in the middle of times square caffe with his implants off
2014-02-13 07:51 <lkalif> he was raving about them
2014-02-13 07:52 <lkalif> it's just a matter of time before they do that for vision
2014-02-13 07:52 <lkalif> (at more resolution than 8 pixels)
2014-02-13 07:53 <Thonneve> 4x4 res?
2014-02-13 07:53 <lkalif> I want Matrix-style neural interface plug on back of my head :P
2014-02-13 07:54 <Thonneve> I want fully immersive games
2014-02-13 07:54 <dahlia> I think I want a google glass if they get enough cool apps for it
2014-02-13 07:55 <dahlia> at least they put the screen where I can see it
2014-02-13 08:02 <dahlia> oh and I definately want a self-driving car :D
2014-02-13 08:03 <lkalif> well if I cannot afford a butler and a driver, I guess self-driving car would have to do :P
2014-02-13 08:04 <dahlia> my days of terrorizing the roads in a sports car are over :(
2014-02-13 08:04 <lkalif> lol
2014-02-13 08:04 <lkalif> I never had those days.
2014-02-13 08:05 <dahlia> too bad :(
2014-02-13 08:05 <lkalif> I'm not into stuff like that.
2014-02-13 08:05 <dahlia> nice sunny day + hopped up miata + good stereo + top down + california back roads = autogasm
2014-02-13 08:07 <lkalif> For me that would be, middle of the night, empty city streets and rain, and cruising around with no aim ;)
2014-02-13 08:08 <nebadon_laptop> damn this is cool > https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wvJAgrUBF4w
2014-02-13 08:09 <lkalif> Nikola Tesla was born not too far from where I was.
2014-02-13 08:09 <dahlia> youtube to the rescue :)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8jHd24d8lc
2014-02-13 08:10 <Thonneve> I live 5 minutes away from bletchley park
2014-02-13 08:10 <Thonneve> Where some code was broken
2014-02-13 08:11 <Thonneve> I think it was either some WW2 code
2014-02-13 08:11 <Thonneve> Or the davinchi code...
2014-02-13 08:11 <Thonneve> First one sounds more accurate though
2014-02-13 08:11 <lkalif> was that bedore or after you cut that guys balls off? :P
2014-02-13 08:12 <Thonneve> The guy who cracked the code?
2014-02-13 08:12 <lkalif> yeah alan turing
2014-02-13 08:13 <Thonneve> He probably deserved it
2014-02-13 08:13 <lkalif> lol
2014-02-13 08:14 <lkalif> he's only crime was being gay for which he was found guilty and chemically castrated
2014-02-13 08:14 <lkalif> and that's after he helped defeat the nazis 
2014-02-13 08:14 <lkalif> by his own (UK) government
2014-02-13 08:14 <Thonneve> He was convicted of indecent exposure
2014-02-13 08:15 <Thonneve> Oh tell a lie
2014-02-13 08:15 <Thonneve> We used to have a law against homosexuality
2014-02-13 08:15 <Thonneve> Oh damn
2014-02-13 08:15 <Thonneve> What a fucked up country I live in
2014-02-13 08:15 <dahlia> nebadon_laptop: can simulate stuff like that http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/voxelMoire.jpg
2014-02-13 08:16 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2014-02-13 08:22 <Thonneve> I really hope I get to experiance a quantum computer in my lifetime
2014-02-13 08:24 <LiruCookies> Thonneve: I thought the DaVinci Code was a work of fiction..
2014-02-13 08:25 <Thonneve> LiruCookies: It is, only just realised haha
2014-02-13 08:27 <LiruCookies> Bletchley Park is mainly remembered for breaking messages enciphered on the German Enigma cypher machine, but its greatest cryptographic achievement may have been the breaking of the German on-line teleprinter Lorenz cipher (known at GC&CS as Tunny).
2014-02-13 08:27 <LiruCookies> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bletchley_Park#Listening_stations
2014-02-13 08:28 <LiruCookies> Oh, cool, it was a xor cipher
2014-02-13 08:28 <Thonneve> One thing that really pisses me off; tourists know more about bletchley park than most british people do
2014-02-13 08:28 <LiruCookies> Thonneve: They have a little guide book that tells them.
2014-02-13 08:29 <Thonneve> No I mean
2014-02-13 08:29 <Thonneve> Ask people who live in bletchley what it's famous for
2014-02-13 08:29 <dahlia> I guess God doesn't like Corvettes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IukDWhf7U9I
2014-02-13 08:29 <Thonneve> They'll ask you if it was even famous
2014-02-13 08:30 <LiruCookies> I live in New York...
2014-02-13 08:30 <LiruCookies> is that even famous?
2014-02-13 08:30 <LiruCookies> Has anyone even heard of it?
2014-02-13 08:31 <dahlia> new who?
2014-02-13 08:31 <LiruCookies> I dunno, some place somewhere near canada but still the US
2014-02-13 08:32 <LiruCookies> Ocean nearby, probably the pacific.
2014-02-13 08:32 <dahlia> <3 pacific ocean
2014-02-13 08:32 <Thonneve> new jersey?
2014-02-13 08:32 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-02-13 08:33 <Thonneve> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bombe-rebuild.jpg
2014-02-13 08:33 <Thonneve> Imagine if we had to have computers that size
2014-02-13 08:33 <LiruCookies> We do
2014-02-13 08:33 <LiruCookies> We need them
2014-02-13 08:33 <LiruCookies> That's what a sim looks like in person
2014-02-13 08:33 <nebadon_laptop> ya thats actually kind of small
2014-02-13 08:33 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-02-13 08:34 <Thonneve> It's about 6 foot tall
2014-02-13 08:34 <Thonneve> Maybe taller
2014-02-13 08:34 <nebadon_laptop> http://www.olcf.ornl.gov/titan/
2014-02-13 08:34 <LiruCookies> 
ACTION mutters, "I've seen bigger"

2014-02-13 08:34 <nebadon_laptop> that computer is like a football feild
2014-02-13 08:34 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-02-13 08:35 <Thonneve> Titan is just too big
2014-02-13 08:35 <Thonneve> Who the fuck needs a football field sized computer
2014-02-13 08:35 <nebadon_laptop> haha
2014-02-13 08:35 <LiruCookies> It's titanic!
2014-02-13 08:35 <Thonneve> That's probably sitting there mining bitcoins
2014-02-13 08:35 <nebadon_laptop> 
ACTION raises hand!

2014-02-13 08:35 <LiruCookies> Thonneve: The football team!
2014-02-13 08:36 <Thonneve> That power consumption
2014-02-13 08:36 <Thonneve> My god
2014-02-13 08:36 <LiruCookies> I wonder if the titan site runs on titan
2014-02-13 08:36 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-02-13 08:36 <LiruCookies> Nah, they wouldn't do that,  what if DDoS
2014-02-13 08:36 <nebadon_laptop> what its probably only like 1000$ a second or something
2014-02-13 08:36 <dahlia> its cross-correlating phone metadata with web cookies :P
2014-02-13 08:36 <Thonneve> It's a supercomputer
2014-02-13 08:37 <Thonneve> DDoSing a supercomputer is like trying to knock down a plane... by throwing paper at it
2014-02-13 08:37 <LiruCookies> Thonneve: I'm referring to the bandwidth
2014-02-13 08:37 <LiruCookies> If someone knew they could nerf a supercomputer, don't you think they'd arm their botnet?
2014-02-13 08:38 <Thonneve> I'd make it PART of the botnet
2014-02-13 08:38 <Thonneve> Then make them all mine bitcoins
2014-02-13 08:38 <LiruCookies> Oh yus
2014-02-13 08:38 <Thonneve> Did someone say instant millionair?
2014-02-13 08:38 <nebadon_laptop> im pretty sure that wouldnt even cover a weeks worth of power
2014-02-13 08:38 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-02-13 08:39 <Thonneve> Who cares
2014-02-13 08:39 <Thonneve> It's part of a botnet
2014-02-13 08:39 <Thonneve> You don't pay for it
2014-02-13 08:39 <LiruCookies> So um, who wants to join me on a new project: Open-letstakeoversupercomputersforbitcoins?
2014-02-13 08:39 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-02-13 08:40 <LiruCookies> Singulari-COINS!
2014-02-13 08:40 <dahlia> just make your flappy bird clone mine bitcoins and send them to you
2014-02-13 08:40 <Thonneve> I'd sell the botnet
2014-02-13 08:41 <lkalif> I'm tempted to make a flappy bird clode in Unity 3D
2014-02-13 08:41 <dahlia> lkalif: you'll prolly be the 30,000,000th person to do it :P
2014-02-13 08:44 <lkalif> I know, not for profit for fun.
2014-02-13 08:44 <lkalif> And I want to make it easy and satisfyig
2014-02-13 08:46 <danbanner> http://www.flappybird.com/play/
2014-02-13 08:49 <dahlia> that one is harder than the phone one
2014-02-13 08:54 <nebadon_laptop> ya i offically suck at that lol
2014-02-13 08:54 <LiruCookies> I've never played this before
2014-02-13 08:54 <LiruCookies> I am not supposed to be exposed to these... 
2014-02-13 08:54 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-02-13 08:56 <dahlia> I got 4 on the phone one
2014-02-13 08:57 <LiruCookies> 3!
2014-02-13 09:00 <dahlia> gratz! 
2014-02-13 09:03 <LiruCookies> FIVE
2014-02-13 09:05 <dahlia> OMG
2014-02-13 09:07 <LiruCookies> I dislike the world modern internet has become
2014-02-13 09:07 <LiruCookies> At one time, these flash games would've had a scoreboard, like in the arcade
2014-02-13 09:07 <LiruCookies> Now it's just two ugly share buttons
2014-02-13 09:08 <LiruCookies> Go away facebook, kids like me aren't your demographic!
2014-02-13 09:08 <dahlia> at least you dont have to log into facebook to play it (yet)
2014-02-13 09:08 <dahlia> I used to really enjoy playing raptor safari until they made it fb only
2014-02-13 09:09 <LiruCookies> five again..
2014-02-13 09:09 <LiruCookies> raptor safari?
2014-02-13 09:09 <dahlia> show off :P
2014-02-13 09:09 <LiruCookies> Just go to neopets...
2014-02-13 09:09 <dahlia> OMG raptor safari is AWESOME
2014-02-13 09:09 <LiruCookies> Seriously, facebook games are ripping off neopets classic games all the time.
2014-02-13 09:10 <LiruCookies> But then again, neopets went all premium gross.
2014-02-13 09:11 <LiruCookies> This game is why I don't have my own cookie clicker
2014-02-13 09:12 <dahlia> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iajFi7h5ghI
2014-02-13 09:15 <dahlia> oh you can still play it without fb http://blurst.com/raptor-safari/
2014-02-13 09:18 <LiruCookies> Five again, I'll never make it to six
2014-02-13 09:22 <LiruCookies> OW
2014-02-13 09:22 <LiruCookies> I hit myself on six
2014-02-13 09:26 <LiruCookies> Nearly got seven that time
2014-02-13 09:45 <LiruCookies> EIGHT
2014-02-13 09:50 <Thonneve> My girlfriends dad got 55 on flappy birds
2014-02-13 09:50 <Thonneve> So pissed
2014-02-13 10:08 <danbanner> this one seems better http://www.crazygames.com/game/flappy-bird
2014-02-13 10:10 <danbanner> i cant get past 3 three on any of them
2014-02-13 10:16 <Thonneve> I think the flappy bird hype is bullshit personally
2014-02-13 10:17 <danbanner> dahlia: http://blurst.com/raptor-safari/  you can play as guest
2014-02-13 10:18 <dahlia> danbanner: ya :D
2014-02-13 10:18 <danbanner> oh
2014-02-13 10:18 <danbanner> just saw that
2014-02-13 10:18 <dahlia> lol :)
2014-02-13 10:18 <dahlia> ty anyway :)
2014-02-13 11:13 <osmantis> Bug #7007:04 When user teleports while wearing a scripted item, the menu no longer functions and an error appears on the console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7007 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-13 11:28 <osmantis> Bug #7007:04 When user teleports while wearing a scripted item, the menu no longer functions and an error appears on the console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7007 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-13 11:38 <osmantis> Bug #7007:04 When user teleports while wearing a scripted item, the menu no longer functions and an error appears on the console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7007 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-13 11:43 <osmantis> Bug #7007:04 When user teleports while wearing a scripted item, the menu no longer functions and an error appears on the console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7007 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-13 19:50 <antont>   
2014-02-13 19:50 <antont> oops, sorry
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2014-02-14 00:12 <Guest75985> Starting build #14 for job opensim-justincc » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-14 00:16 <Guest75985> Project opensim-justincc » mono-2.10.8.1 build #14: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim-justincc/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/14/
2014-02-14 00:16 <Guest75985> * jjustincc: If calls to UserAgentServiceConnector fail then throw an exception. This lets the caller decide whether to discard the error or not.
2014-02-14 00:16 <Guest75985> * jjustincc: Change warns associated with UserAgentServiceConnector to debugs, as this is not necessarily a problen with the source simulator (e.g. someone else's remote simulator cannot be contacted).
2014-02-14 00:16 <Guest75985> Starting build #3296 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-14 00:20 <Guest75985> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3296: SUCCESS in 3 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3296/
2014-02-14 00:20 <Guest75985> * jjustincc: If a caller tries to queue a CAPs message to a scene presence that has no event queue (e.g. an NPC), only warn if event queue debugging is greater than zero.
2014-02-14 00:20 <Guest75985> * jjustincc: If calls to UserAgentServiceConnector fail then throw an exception. This lets the caller decide whether to discard the error or not.
2014-02-14 00:20 <Guest75985> * jjustincc: Change warns associated with UserAgentServiceConnector to debugs, as this is not necessarily a problen with the source simulator (e.g. someone else's remote simulator cannot be contacted).
2014-02-14 00:21 <Arielle_> justincc has the patch or other fix for the issue here been put into master? http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6986
2014-02-14 00:22 <justincc> Arielle_: not yet.  I will assign it to myself to make sure that I see it tomorrow.
2014-02-14 00:22 <Arielle_> Ok ty 
2014-02-14 00:22 <osmantis> Bug #6986:04 [PATCH] Logging in to home or last location always sends avatar to some other fixed location 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6986 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-02-14 00:22 <osmantis> Bug #6986:04 [PATCH] Logging in to home or last location always sends avatar to some other fixed location 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6986 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-02-14 00:24 <osmantis> Bug #6956:04 [PATCH] If calls to UserAgentServiceConnector fail then throw an exception 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6956 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-02-14 00:25 <osmantis> Bug #6955:04 [PATCH] In UserAgentServiceConnector, log the server hostname instead of the IP 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6955 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2014-02-14 01:11 <osmantis> Bug #6993:04 VAR: maptiles do not show up 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6993 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-14 03:16 <osmantis> Bug #6990:04 OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.SceneGraph [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6990 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-14 03:17 <osmantis> Bug #6990:04 OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.SceneGraph [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6990 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-14 08:30 <Thonneve> nebadon_laptop: If titan where to mine bitcoins you'd make 10k a day
2014-02-14 08:30 <Thonneve> Including power usage
2014-02-14 08:30 <Thonneve> So you'd actually break even and be able to fund a titan operation assuming you had 100 million to throw at it
2014-02-14 08:33 <Thonneve> So guys... when are we funding this?
2014-02-14 09:11 <osmantis> Bug #6928:04 new Group error with master 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6928 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-14 15:54 <osmantis> Bug #7008:04 Varregion Terrain very slow to load when teleporting in. Much slower than same exact oars loaded on a mega region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7008 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-14 15:57 <osmantis> Bug #7009:04 [VarRegion] load oar --displacement: legacy trees and grass are misplaced 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7009 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-14 16:00 <osmantis> Bug #7010:04 Bulletsim: Motor boats and sailboats that worked great in ODE won't move in Bulletsim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7010 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-14 16:02 <osmantis> Bug #7010:04 Bulletsim: Motor boats and sailboats that worked great in ODE won't move in Bulletsim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7010 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-02-14 16:04 <osmantis> Bug #7010:04 [Bulletsim]  Motor boats and sailboats that worked great in ODE won't move in Bulletsim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7010 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-02-14 16:10 <osmantis> Bug #7008:04 Varregion Terrain very slow to load when teleporting in. Much slower than same exact oars loaded on a mega region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7008 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-02-14 16:10 <osmantis> Bug #7010:04 [Bulletsim]  Motor boats and sailboats that worked great in ODE won't move in Bulletsim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7010 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-02-14 16:10 <osmantis> Bug #7009:04 [VarRegion] load oar --displacement: legacy trees and grass are misplaced 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7009 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-02-14 16:20 <osmantis> Bug #7003:04 osGetNotecard returns extra chars when notecard contains diacritics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7003 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006881.
2014-02-14 16:20 <osmantis> Bug #6881:04 Print Notecard on Prim with Dynamic Texture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6881 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007003.
2014-02-14 16:22 <Arielle_> quit
2014-02-14 16:24 <osmantis> Bug #7003:04 osGetNotecard returns extra chars when notecard contains diacritics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7003 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-14 16:27 <osmantis> Bug #7010:04 [Bulletsim]  Motor boats and sailboats that worked great in ODE won't move in Bulletsim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7010 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-02-14 17:00 <JoeRadik> Can I build on linux then run binaries on windows?  If so, do I need to do anything "special?"
2014-02-14 17:03 <osmantis> Bug #7009:04 [VarRegion] load oar --displacement: legacy trees and grass are misplaced 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7009 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-14 17:07 <nebadon_laptop> JoeRadik yes you can
2014-02-14 17:07 <nebadon_laptop> nothing special required
2014-02-14 18:27 <osmantis> Bug #7009:04 [VarRegion] load oar --displacement: legacy trees and grass are misplaced 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7009 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-14 18:35 <JoeRadik> Trying to setup a standalone on my Windows 7 system.
2014-02-14 18:35 <JoeRadik> I can get it to run with the binaries from opensimulator.org
2014-02-14 18:35 <JoeRadik> When I copy the binaries from my linux system it fails with the following errors.
2014-02-14 18:36 <JoeRadik> http://pastebin.com/RukZ1zeW
2014-02-14 18:36 <JoeRadik> Any ideas?
2014-02-14 18:42 <Taoki> I'm seeing a major bug in today's latest master. It seems some duplicated objects are no longer stored between simulator restarts, and disappear after I restart the sim
2014-02-14 19:04 <osmantis> Bug #7009:04 [VarRegion] load oar --displacement: legacy trees and grass are misplaced 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7009 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-14 20:17 <Taoki> Is there a console command I can use to make sure all primitives on the sim are updated in the database?
2014-02-14 20:24 <Wanderer_42> not sure, but it could be simp,e the command backup
2014-02-14 20:24 <Wanderer_42> *simple
2014-02-14 20:25 <Plugh> yup. I was about to mention the "backup" command.
2014-02-14 20:25 <RiRa> to late boys :)
2014-02-14 20:25 <RiRa> lol
2014-02-14 20:26 <Misterblue> 'backup' command description is "Persist currently unsaved object changes immediately instead of waiting for the normal persistence call."
2014-02-14 20:26 <Misterblue> Taoki, if you have a repeatable way of getting the prims to not restore, please file a Mantis on it
2014-02-14 20:27 <Taoki> ok
2014-02-14 20:27 <Taoki> It seems to only happen sometimes
2014-02-14 20:27 <Misterblue> what you're seeing would imply that the some cache is not getting flushed on shutdown
2014-02-14 20:28 <RiRa> Taoki. i think thats something i have seen for years that prims sometimes did not got saved
2014-02-14 20:28 <Taoki> Need to at least see if the backup command fixes it
2014-02-14 20:28 <Taoki> I'm more worried corrupt ones might be saved to the database, though that's unlikely
2014-02-14 20:28 <RiRa> thats why i have always add backup in the shutdown.txt file
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2014-02-14 20:50 <osmantis> Bug #7009:04 [VarRegion] load oar --displacement: legacy trees and grass are misplaced 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7009 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-14 23:05 <osmantis> Bug #7011:04 Multiple attachments do not work with NPCs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7011 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-14 23:08 <osmantis> Bug #7011:04 Multiple attachments do not work with NPCs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7011 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-02-14 23:18 <lkalif> dahlia: do I remember correctly, but did you mention sometime that you had to figure out how to compress data in the way llmesh asset wants it?
2014-02-14 23:18 <lkalif> with zlib.net?
2014-02-14 23:22 <dahlia> lkalif: I'm not using zlib anymore
2014-02-14 23:22 <dahlia> what's up?
2014-02-14 23:23 <lkalif> diva was asking about making libomv collada importer
2014-02-14 23:24 <diva> hey dahlia, I was talking to lkalif about doing the Encode function in libomv for mesh
2014-02-14 23:24 <lkalif> I know how that could be done, but was wondering if you head ready made bit that does the compression so I don't have to experiment much
2014-02-14 23:24 <diva> we're trying to piece together all the bits that already exist
2014-02-14 23:26 <diva> I think you have something in opensim already, let me scroll back on that other window
2014-02-14 23:26 <lkalif> LiruCookies: In the viewer code, that bit is in llmeshrepository.cpp right? Or is that just for decoding?
2014-02-14 23:27 <dahlia> well I hadn't planned on open sourcing my encoding bits but here is some compression stuff which I think works: http://pastebin.com/vvBTXPJY
2014-02-14 23:27 <diva> Meshmerizer.cs
2014-02-14 23:28 <lkalif> dahlia: thanks
2014-02-14 23:28 <dahlia> yw :)
2014-02-14 23:28 <lkalif> I'll opensource it :P
2014-02-14 23:28 <dahlia> :P
2014-02-14 23:28 <diva> hehe
2014-02-14 23:28 <diva> opensim carries Ionic
2014-02-14 23:29 <dahlia> better off using System.Compression but some header tweaks need to happen
2014-02-14 23:29 <lkalif> Well I wrote the decoder part, and also collada export, and I know how it works
2014-02-14 23:29 <lkalif> should be easy
2014-02-14 23:29 <lkalif> as easy as collada gets :P
2014-02-14 23:30 <diva> I like the sound of "easy" when spoken by people who know :D
2014-02-14 23:30 <dahlia> I'll be waiting to test the vertex weights :P
2014-02-14 23:30 <lkalif> dahlia: I was't gonna support those ;)
2014-02-14 23:30 <dahlia> ya well easy then :P
2014-02-14 23:31 <lkalif> I don't know the convex hull format ll uses
2014-02-14 23:31 <dahlia> its in meshmerizer
2014-02-14 23:31 <lkalif> And I'm not going to have any decomposition in it
2014-02-14 23:31 <lkalif> So all I need is a simple bounding box to satisfy SL requirement of at least 1 hull
2014-02-14 23:33 <dahlia> well I hope the physics engine survives :P
2014-02-14 23:33 <lkalif> making physics mesh for llmesh is a true PITA
2014-02-14 23:33 <lkalif> almost impossible as far as I can tell
2014-02-14 23:34 <dahlia> no more than 32k verts in physics mesh
2014-02-14 23:34 <osmantis> Bug #7003:04 osGetNotecard returns extra chars when notecard contains diacritics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7003 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-14 23:34 <lkalif> dahlia: the problem is the scale
2014-02-14 23:34 <lkalif> I think it scales up rendering mesh and physics mesh to have the same bounding box
2014-02-14 23:34 <dahlia> scale is independent of the asset
2014-02-14 23:35 <Guest75985> Starting build #3297 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-14 23:35 <lkalif> dahlia: I tried making a house, where only floor and walls would collide. I made two meshes in blender on two layers and they match up prefectly.
2014-02-14 23:35 <osmantis> Bug #7011:04 Multiple attachments do not work with NPCs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7011 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-02-14 23:36 <dahlia> cool
2014-02-14 23:36 <dahlia> I do that when I used to sell meshes in SL
2014-02-14 23:36 <lkalif> When I import, it scales up physics mesh to match the bounding box of the rendering mesh so it doesn't end up matching well
2014-02-14 23:36 <dahlia> err... did
2014-02-14 23:36 <dahlia> never had a problem when I did it
2014-02-14 23:36 <lkalif> hmm
2014-02-14 23:37 <lkalif> perhaps I'm holding it wrong :P
2014-02-14 23:37 <dahlia> perhaps
2014-02-14 23:37 <osmantis> Bug #6939:04 the code within AvatarFactoryModule.cs keeps adding new inventory items on teleports 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6939 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-14 23:38 <dahlia> bounding box only applies to physics doesnt it? cant remember
2014-02-14 23:38 <lkalif> and 32K verts is really way to much for physics mesh :P
2014-02-14 23:38 <diva> justincc (hi! :) the GrabbingBehavior of pCampBit: is that what makes the bots sit?
2014-02-14 23:38 <justincc> diva: no, bot sitting was a debug command on the console
2014-02-14 23:38 <justincc> hey diva
2014-02-14 23:38 <dahlia> lkalif: agreed but its the max before it fails
2014-02-14 23:38 <diva> I mean sit on prims?
2014-02-14 23:38 <justincc> mm hang on, let me think
2014-02-14 23:38 <Guest75985> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3297: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3297/
2014-02-14 23:38 <Guest75985> jjustincc: Log information about which function, request data and agent ID triggered an XmlRpcGroupsServiceConnector error
2014-02-14 23:38 <diva> I know the sit command, but it sits them on the floor
2014-02-14 23:39 <dahlia> lkalif: > 64 meters is too much for physics also but people do it all the time
2014-02-14 23:40 <justincc> diva: yeah, I'm misremembering.  I was using a command on the simulator console called "sit user name"
2014-02-14 23:40 <justincc> probably "sit user name --regex ima bot.*"
2014-02-14 23:41 <diva> and that sits them on prims?
2014-02-14 23:41 <lkalif> Oh, I added "useHeader" flag to binary serialization of OSD :P
2014-02-14 23:41 <justincc> it sits them on the 'nearest' prim with a sit target
2014-02-14 23:41 <diva> oh, let em check
2014-02-14 23:41 <lkalif> Now I remember lol
2014-02-14 23:41 <justincc> though remember is probably misleading, probably the first prim it hits in scanning all the scene prims
2014-02-14 23:41 <justincc> sorry, "closest" misleading
2014-02-14 23:41 <diva> is that in core?
2014-02-14 23:42 <justincc> yes
2014-02-14 23:42 <lkalif> is camp bot a libovm client?
2014-02-14 23:42 <diva> I can't find "regex"
2014-02-14 23:42 <justincc> lkalif: yes
2014-02-14 23:42 <justincc> diva: not seeing it with "help sit user name"?
2014-02-14 23:42 <diva> let me look better
2014-02-14 23:43 <diva> hmm I only see the sit on the ground command
2014-02-14 23:43 <justincc> diva: you are looking on the simulator console?
2014-02-14 23:43 <diva> I'm looking at the pCampbot console and code
2014-02-14 23:43 <diva> oh
2014-02-14 23:44 <diva> should I look in the sim console?
2014-02-14 23:44 <justincc> ok, it's on the console that the sit command exists
2014-02-14 23:44 <justincc> yes
2014-02-14 23:44 <justincc> the one which sits on prims
2014-02-14 23:44 <diva> oh ok
2014-02-14 23:44 <diva> thanks
2014-02-14 23:44 <justincc> I can't remember why I didn't do it on pCampbot - probably because it was more work at the time
2014-02-14 23:45 <lkalif> dahlia: I don't understand ZCompressOSD(). Why doesn't it return byte[]? Has this been tested anywhere?
2014-02-14 23:45 <diva> found it justincc, thanks
2014-02-14 23:45 <dahlia> because it's a byte array when it goes into the asset
2014-02-14 23:45 <justincc> diva: yw
2014-02-14 23:46 <Guest75985> Starting build #3298 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-14 23:48 <dahlia> lkalif: let me look again, I might have accidently cut some cruft
2014-02-14 23:49 <Guest75985> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3298: SUCCESS in 3 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3298/
2014-02-14 23:49 <Guest75985> jjustincc: Don't request group information in SP.MakeRootAgent() if the presence belongs to no group (UUID.Zero)
2014-02-14 23:52 <dahlia> lkalif: I think that function is correct
2014-02-14 23:53 <lkalif> I don't thing it can be. It compresses stuff, and then it sends it to OSD.Serialize
2014-02-14 23:53 <dahlia> if you gave it an OSDArray with a bunch of OSDs, it would give back a single OSD thats compressed
2014-02-14 23:54 <dahlia> the way the mesh asset format expects it
2014-02-14 23:54 <lkalif> ah the whole thing
2014-02-14 23:55 <lkalif> but the header of llmesh has byte offsets for component parts
2014-02-14 23:56 <dahlia> I had at one time started working on a generic llMesh class that would do reading and writing and manipulation but it turned into a big mess and wasnt going the way I wanted so I abandoned it
2014-02-14 23:57 <dahlia> lkalif: look again at the llMesh docs. parts are compressed separately and then included in the asset
2014-02-14 23:57 <lkalif> yes
2014-02-14 23:57 <osmantis> Bug #6928:04 new Group error with master 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6928 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-02-14 23:57 <osmantis> Bug #6988:04 Master report for issues caused by Avinaion code drop - please link issues that qualify to this as children 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6988 ): The RELATED issue 0006928 has been RESOLVED.
2014-02-14 23:57 <lkalif> libomv's AssetMesh has all the decoding bits
2014-02-14 23:58 <dahlia> once you build an OSD of the parts you want to compress, just pass them to that function and put the output into your asset
2014-02-15 00:01 <dahlia> anyway Ionic.Zlib is not quite compatable with the zlib used in the viewer but that code will probably work for most simple stuff
2014-02-15 00:01 <dahlia> if viewer crashes, :/
2014-02-15 00:02 <lkalif> I will have a look.
2014-02-15 00:02 <lkalif> I'm toying with the idea of ripping .dae -> .llmesh bits from the viewer into a command line tool
2014-02-15 00:02 <nebadon_laptop> hey lkalif
2014-02-15 00:02 <nebadon_laptop> about the LOD
2014-02-15 00:02 <dahlia> if you look in Meshmerizer.cs you can find where I adapted the System compression stuff to work. had to do some tweaks to the headers
2014-02-15 00:02 <nebadon_laptop> what i generally do is leave High Alone
2014-02-15 00:03 <dahlia> the same should be done for compression
2014-02-15 00:03 <nebadon_laptop> then i set Medium to Use LOD Above
2014-02-15 00:03 <nebadon_laptop> then Low i set to 50% of what High and Medium are using
2014-02-15 00:03 <nebadon_laptop> and then Lowest to 50% of Low
2014-02-15 00:03 <nebadon_laptop> then on Physics I select Low
2014-02-15 00:03 <dahlia> lkalif: ripping appropriate bits from the viewer would be awesome :)
2014-02-15 00:03 <nebadon_laptop> and on Upload Options I select Include Textures
2014-02-15 00:03 <nebadon_laptop> and that is it
2014-02-15 00:04 <diva> +1 for ripping
2014-02-15 00:05 <lkalif> So how much an hour do you guys pay for this stuff? :P
2014-02-15 00:05 <diva> ehehe
2014-02-15 00:05 <dahlia> pay? *googles*...
2014-02-15 00:07 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: "upload textures" is not something that is encoded in the asset
2014-02-15 00:07 <dahlia> lkalif: can libomv upload a mesh asset?
2014-02-15 00:07 <lkalif> so we don't have to worry about it
2014-02-15 00:07 <lkalif> dahlia: nope
2014-02-15 00:08 <nebadon_laptop> but the texture will upload with the mesh?
2014-02-15 00:08 <dahlia> how about modding viewer to upload batches of meshes?
2014-02-15 00:08 <dahlia> may be easier than ripping
2014-02-15 00:09 <nebadon_laptop> ya that would be cool
2014-02-15 00:09 <dahlia> uploading is kinda complex
2014-02-15 00:09 <dahlia> there's a big protocol exchange
2014-02-15 00:09 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: what diva plans to do, textre upload is not relevant here
2014-02-15 00:09 <lkalif> diva didn't plan to use client for upload as far as I understand
2014-02-15 00:10 <dahlia> oh I thought the problem was uploading a bunch of meshes and placing them
2014-02-15 00:10 <dahlia> maybe I misunderstood
2014-02-15 00:10 <lkalif> but sh was going to do it without client
2014-02-15 00:10 <lkalif> direct to opensim db
2014-02-15 00:11 <dahlia> wouldnt a batch upload be easier?
2014-02-15 00:13 <lkalif> dunno anything how would you make it rez in opensim directly
2014-02-15 00:14 <lkalif> but there is clearly two parts to this task. .dae -> .llmesh conversion
2014-02-15 00:14 <lkalif> and then upload
2014-02-15 00:16 <osmantis> Bug #6625:04 Another Unknown User issue when hypergriding 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6625 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-15 00:16 <diva> yeah, I am planning to place the meshes directly in their right positions in the world
2014-02-15 00:16 <diva> instead of forcing neb to go fom sim to sim, for 4Km^2 placing objects :)
2014-02-15 00:17 <diva> yes, lkalif, it would be good to separate those two things
2014-02-15 00:22 <Arielle_> there are viewers that can create temporary mesh objects and place them in the appropriate region location working from an xml and texture files combined with viewer cache.
2014-02-15 00:37 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Encode mesh is pretty much send it up, process with colladadom
2014-02-15 00:38 <LiruCookies> lkalif: I don't think meshrepository has much to do with it, but maybe a bit on the sending up protocolstuffs
2014-02-15 00:39 <lkalif> LiruCookies: which file is mesh upload floater
2014-02-15 00:39 <lkalif> I guess I will trace what upload button clik does
2014-02-15 00:40 <dahlia> the upload involves caps and stuff and at one time would rez the mesh but I dont think it does any more
2014-02-15 00:40 <dahlia> it ties the asset to a prim during upload
2014-02-15 00:40 <dahlia> so its more complex than a sculpt map
2014-02-15 00:40 <lkalif> well it has to call bits that process collada file at some time from mesh upload floater
2014-02-15 00:41 <dahlia> and decomposition and reduction and all that fun stuff
2014-02-15 00:45 <lkalif> I'm thinking something like: ./Singluarity --in-collada foo.dae --out-llmesh bar.llmesh
2014-02-15 00:45 <diva> justincc what's a "sit target" in an object? Do I need to put a script on it or something?
2014-02-15 00:45 <lkalif> which would skip starting the graphical bits of the viewer
2014-02-15 00:45 <lkalif> and just do the conversionn
2014-02-15 00:45 <LiruCookies> llfloatermodelpreview
2014-02-15 00:45 <lkalif> LiruCookies: thanks
2014-02-15 00:45 <justincc> diva: yes, you need a script which calls llSitTarget() to set
2014-02-15 00:45 <diva> ok, cool
2014-02-15 00:46 <dahlia> lkalif: headless viewer would be awesome for all kinds of stuff :D
2014-02-15 00:46 <diva> +++
2014-02-15 00:46 <justincc> isn't that a libomv? :)
2014-02-15 00:46 <dahlia> might invade libomv turf lol
2014-02-15 00:47 <justincc> what I would like in libomv is the ability to region cross bots
2014-02-15 00:47 <dahlia> 
ACTION ponders headless viewer with angelscript

2014-02-15 00:47 <lkalif> justincc: that doesn't work?
2014-02-15 00:47 <justincc> lkalif: didn't when I last tried.  But it should?
2014-02-15 00:47 <diva> make that beast work for more than pixels!
2014-02-15 00:47 <lkalif> justincc: it should work. make sure not to disable multiple sims in Config
2014-02-15 00:48 <lkalif> well I guess you can try with Radegast
2014-02-15 00:48 <justincc> lkalif: multiple is enabled in pCampbot.  I'll have to go back and take another look
2014-02-15 00:49 <diva> justincc: is there anything in particular you would like to do to take pCampBot to the next level? I have a student who's into it now, she might be able to do more work after she's done with the first project
2014-02-15 00:50 <dahlia> diva: evaluate testclient before settling on pcampbot please :)
2014-02-15 00:50 <justincc> diva: a good thing would be to allow bots to cross regions - at the moment thye just get stuck o nthe edges for some reason
2014-02-15 00:50 <dahlia> testclient has a plugin capability which is pretty nice
2014-02-15 00:50 <diva> dahlia? Is that on libomv?
2014-02-15 00:50 <justincc> but I expect that's going to be a difficult problem to winkle out
2014-02-15 00:50 <dahlia> its part of libomv
2014-02-15 00:50 <justincc> pCampbot was designed for easily putting up large number of bots for simulator load testing
2014-02-15 00:50 <diva> why do we have 2 of these things?!
2014-02-15 00:51 <dahlia> dunno, testclient has been around for ages
2014-02-15 00:51 <justincc> pCampbot was originally started by teravus but with that intention of testing a simulator
2014-02-15 00:51 <lkalif> evil teravus :P
2014-02-15 00:51 <dahlia> LL uses testclient
2014-02-15 00:52 <justincc> rly?
2014-02-15 00:52 <dahlia> rly
2014-02-15 00:52 <justincc> for what?
2014-02-15 00:52 <dahlia> testing :P
2014-02-15 00:52 <dahlia> massive bot testing
2014-02-15 00:52 <diva> oh man, that TestClient project needs to get out of the folder called "examples"
2014-02-15 00:53 <lkalif> I know Enus Linden was trying to make python version of libomv. But gave up when he figured he could load 400 avatars on a sim from a single laptop using libomv's test client :P
2014-02-15 00:53 <justincc> the intel ppl used testclient quite a lot too
2014-02-15 00:53 <diva> ok, so maybe we should invest in testclient instead of pCampbot?
2014-02-15 00:54 <justincc> lkalif: why didn't he just use ironpython?
2014-02-15 00:54 <dahlia> lkalif: I think that was also kinda busy work at LL
2014-02-15 00:54 <dahlia> I miss enus :(
2014-02-15 00:54 <dahlia> he was so cool
2014-02-15 00:54 <lkalif> yeaj
2014-02-15 00:54 <lkalif> I found it funny that him and his team used libovm as source of protocol documentatio :P
2014-02-15 00:54 <dahlia> justincc: much of LL infrastructure is written in python
2014-02-15 00:55 <diva> I like the "behaviors" concept in pCampBot
2014-02-15 00:55 <justincc> quite good to have someone figure out your 'protocol'
2014-02-15 00:55 <diva> that's very nice for testing specific scenarios
2014-02-15 00:55 <justincc> diva: yeah, I've needed to test physics load, just standing around, clikcing things randomly, etc. over the years
2014-02-15 00:55 <justincc> but I'm sure testclient does it too ;)
2014-02-15 00:56 <dahlia> if not it probably could be extended to very easily
2014-02-15 00:56 <dahlia> I had testclient bots which would comb the grid looking for camping chairs, compete for the chairs, earn L$, and play tiny empires while camping :)
2014-02-15 00:56 <diva> yeah, it looks like the right thing to do might be to port that idea of behaviors into testclient
2014-02-15 00:57 <diva> I see that testclient already has a SitCommand that sits bots on prims
2014-02-15 00:58 <dahlia> adding commands is really simple
2014-02-15 00:59 <dahlia> each command is a class with a simple interface, just add it. Can also be added to a .dll which can be loaded at run time
2014-02-15 00:59 <dahlia> and you get libomv source in your IDE at the same time so makes coding easier
2014-02-15 00:59 <diva> how do you specify the login credentials for many bots?
2014-02-15 01:00 <dahlia> you can put them in a file
2014-02-15 01:00 <LiruCookies> dahlia: What is tiny empires? Where do I get a copy of its hud... I need to test if wearing the hud makes furniture change color... I think
2014-02-15 01:01 <dahlia> LiruCookies: Im not sure anymore (I was banned from the game for botting) but just putting tiny empires in search in SL should tell you were to get it
2014-02-15 01:01 <LiruCookies> They can detect botting?
2014-02-15 01:01 <dahlia> I guess so
2014-02-15 01:01 <lkalif> justincc: i just walked over from morris to bonifacio on linden beta grid using Radegast
2014-02-15 01:01 <justincc> lkalif: that relies purely on libomv code?
2014-02-15 01:02 <dahlia> I assume my bots were playing too well and doing it 24 hours a day
2014-02-15 01:02 <lkalif> radegast is 100% pure libomv
2014-02-15 01:02 <nebadon_laptop> probably wouldnt be to hard to detect bots, some kind of turin test in a IM
2014-02-15 01:02 <nebadon_laptop> turing*
2014-02-15 01:02 <justincc> ok, when I need to tackle the problem again I'll take a look at what radegast is doing
2014-02-15 01:02 <dahlia> I should have had the bots make a few mistakes lol
2014-02-15 01:03 <dahlia> and not play 24/7
2014-02-15 01:03 <lkalif> justincc: just aim avi's body rotation to the face the neighbouring sim, and in movement give it AT_POS and the rest is automatic
2014-02-15 01:03 <justincc> lkalif: yeah strange - I'm pCampbot is doing exactly that but the bots just get stuck on the edges.  But I that was original teravus code so I need to go through careful as to exactl ywhat is happening
2014-02-15 01:04 <justincc> or might be something I've unwittingly screwed up along the way
2014-02-15 01:04 <lkalif> Well at least it works on SL. Could be OpenSim does something "creative" as it did with teleports
2014-02-15 01:04 <justincc> that's not impossible
2014-02-15 01:04 <lkalif> which broke libomv
2014-02-15 01:04 <lkalif> heh, teleports wouldn't work for the longest time if you have multiple sims disabled
2014-02-15 01:04 <lkalif> because OpenSim used EnableSimulator for teleports
2014-02-15 01:05 <justincc> somehow it all worked :)
2014-02-15 01:05 <justincc> with viewers at least
2014-02-15 01:05 <justincc> sort of
2014-02-15 01:05 <lkalif> by accident
2014-02-15 01:05 <diva> justincc are you attached to pCampBot?
2014-02-15 01:06 <justincc> diva: I continue to need it
2014-02-15 01:06 <diva> because of the behaviors?
2014-02-15 01:06 <diva> I'm trying to decide whether to throw my student at one or the other
2014-02-15 01:06 <justincc> yes, and a fair amoutn of work to make it easy to use.
2014-02-15 01:07 <justincc> but honestly, I started using it because it was there and it was politically easier for me to work on something in opensim then outside it
2014-02-15 01:07 <justincc> at that time
2014-02-15 01:07 <lkalif> heh
2014-02-15 01:07 <diva> i c
2014-02-15 01:07 <dahlia> politically? lol
2014-02-15 01:07 <diva> yeah, it's easier if you have commit rights
2014-02-15 01:07 <justincc> working for a client you need to get there agreement to open-source things
2014-02-15 01:07 <justincc> their
2014-02-15 01:08 <dahlia> well teravus and I are good friends but I dont think he minds if I use testclient
2014-02-15 01:08 <justincc> that wasn't really a major factor - but I admit it was easier for me to start working on pCampbot then get familiar with testclient
2014-02-15 01:08 <justincc> and there were some things in pCampbot I liked better - can't remember what though
2014-02-15 01:08 <dahlia> I think Intel peeps use testclient
2014-02-15 01:08 <justincc> probably an existing infrastructure to mass co-ordinate lots of bots for a load testing scenario
2014-02-15 01:08 <dahlia> dan uses it
2014-02-15 01:09 <justincc> I don't mind if you point her at testclient, of course!
2014-02-15 01:09 <dahlia> for their 1000 avatar tests
2014-02-15 01:09 <diva> the way of getting the login credentials for mass crwds seems a bit saner in pCampBot
2014-02-15 01:09 <dahlia> but Ive not used pcampbot so I may have a bit of a bias :P
2014-02-15 01:10 <diva> or maybe that's a CSV file in testclient
2014-02-15 01:10 <diva> in which case Excel can do the job too
2014-02-15 01:10 <justincc> csv is arguably more flexible, pCampbot currently forces you to have all bots named regularly 
2014-02-15 01:10 <justincc> which is impossible on a linden grid
2014-02-15 01:10 <dahlia> diva: you can put them in a file, Ive done it many times
2014-02-15 01:10 <justincc> having regularly named bots does make it a bit easier for mass testing
2014-02-15 01:11 <justincc> easier to login sets of bots (e.g. 50..70), etc.
2014-02-15 01:11 <diva> yeah, but I don't want to have to replace the last names for 100 bots... good thing that Excel is a very smart tool
2014-02-15 01:11 <diva> if you have Blah1 in a cell and you drag it down, it does the right thing!
2014-02-15 01:11 <diva> Blah2, Blah3...
2014-02-15 01:12 <justincc> I actuall y have smple scripts in github to generate massive sets of opensim "create user..." commands for bot setup
2014-02-15 01:12 <lkalif> Libomv is on github where there are things like pull requests etc. I don't see contributing to it as difficult in any way. At least compared to Opensim it's a delightful experience.
2014-02-15 01:17 <Guest75985> Starting build #15 for job opensim-justincc » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-15 01:18 <LiruCookies> Is there no signal to send to get the bot to authenticate itself?
2014-02-15 01:18 <justincc> to avoid pw requirement?
2014-02-15 01:18 <justincc> or be able to use a bot without having to create its account first?
2014-02-15 01:18 <LiruCookies> Err, I'm referring to Guest75985, sorry forgot we were talking about sim bots
2014-02-15 01:19 <justincc> ah :)  Not sure, lkalif speculated perhaps the proper acct got banned (?)
2014-02-15 01:19 <LiruCookies> What was it called? Was it jenkins?
2014-02-15 01:19 <justincc> urgh, I really have to put this wiki create acct stuff back
2014-02-15 01:20 <justincc> LiruCookies: osjenkins or similar
2014-02-15 01:20 <justincc> I think
2014-02-15 01:20 <lkalif> you get too many emails?
2014-02-15 01:20 <LiruCookies> sec, I'll grep.
2014-02-15 01:20 <justincc> lkalif: asking people to ask on the list but this is getting noisy for ppl and a barrier to ppl creating accoutns
2014-02-15 01:21 <justincc> also, I think berlios is shutting down in its current form which is going to force our mailing lists to move
2014-02-15 01:21 <Guest75985> Project opensim-justincc » mono-2.10.8.1 build #15: SUCCESS in 3 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim-justincc/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/15/
2014-02-15 01:21 <Guest75985> jjustincc: In GridUserService, if a UUID is given consistently use the longest matched entry (as already done by GetGridUserInfo()) in order to avoid problems with multiple entries.
2014-02-15 01:21 <LiruCookies> 20:21 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- osjenkins has enabled nick protection
2014-02-15 01:21 <lkalif> justincc: I had to do the same thing. But instead of the list I just ask people to email me if they want access to libomv wiki
2014-02-15 01:21 <Guest75985> Starting build #3299 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-15 01:22 <justincc> lkalif: I'm trying to avoid myself being the point of failure
2014-02-15 01:22 <justincc> and the pita of me having to do it :)
2014-02-15 01:22 <LiruCookies> The bot simply failed to authenticate with nickserv or saslserv or whatnot.
2014-02-15 01:22 <lkalif> LiruCookies: perhaps someone registered osjenkins nick on freenode
2014-02-15 01:22 <lkalif> or that
2014-02-15 01:22 <LiruCookies> lkalif: It's been registered since 2011
2014-02-15 01:22 <LiruCookies> /msg nickserv info osjenkins
2014-02-15 01:22 <lkalif> freenode had some sasl and other authentiation trouble the other day
2014-02-15 01:23 <lkalif> perhaps a simple restart of it would fix it now
2014-02-15 01:23 <LiruCookies> If anyone wants to know where I get my information... that's the nice little command.
2014-02-15 01:23 <lkalif> I wonder when I registered mine
2014-02-15 01:24 <lkalif> 2008
2014-02-15 01:24 <lkalif> for the longest time #libomv-dev and #opensl were on efnet
2014-02-15 01:25 <Guest75985> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3299: SUCCESS in 3 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3299/
2014-02-15 01:25 <Guest75985> jjustincc: In GridUserService, if a UUID is given consistently use the longest matched entry (as already done by GetGridUserInfo()) in order to avoid problems with multiple entries.
2014-02-15 01:25 <osmantis> Bug #6625:04 Another Unknown User issue when hypergriding 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6625 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-15 01:30 <osmantis> Bug #6986:04 [PATCH] Logging in to home or last location always sends avatar to some other fixed location 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6986 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-02-15 01:32 <osmantis> Bug #6939:04 the code within AvatarFactoryModule.cs keeps adding new inventory items on teleports 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6939 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-15 01:33 <osmantis> Bug #6939:04 the code within AvatarFactoryModule.cs keeps adding new inventory items on teleports 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6939 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-15 01:35 <osmantis> Bug #6625:04 Another Unknown User issue when hypergriding 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6625 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-02-15 01:37 <justincc> osjenkins: you bugger
2014-02-15 01:37 <osjenkins> justincc you may not issue bot commands in this chat!
2014-02-15 01:38 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: if you get a chance, could you ask coyled for the osjenkins irc pw sometime (presuming he set it up)
2014-02-15 01:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim-justincc » mono-2.10.8.1 build #16: SUCCESS in 3 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim-justincc/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/16/
2014-02-15 01:42 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-02-15 01:42 <justincc> at the momne tit's just a row in dots in jenkisn that happens to work.. though maybe it's not encrypted and it could be yanked out of a file/db
2014-02-15 01:43 <nebadon_laptop> just asked him
2014-02-15 01:43 <nebadon_laptop> hopefully he responds quickly
2014-02-15 01:43 <nebadon_laptop> he is on Skype
2014-02-15 01:43 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: very soon I'm also going to set up the simple questios/moderation queue approach to creating wiki accounts
2014-02-15 01:43 <nebadon_laptop> ok great
2014-02-15 01:43 <nebadon_laptop> I wanted to look closer myself but have not had time
2014-02-15 01:43 <justincc> hopefully that will stop the bots and if someone does program themn to answer theq uestions at least that will just fill up the moderation queue instead of unleashing spam hell
2014-02-15 01:43 <nebadon_laptop> we also need to figure out why mysql keeps dieing
2014-02-15 01:43 <justincc> man, need more admin people really
2014-02-15 01:43 <nebadon_laptop> 2-3 times a week i have to restart mysql
2014-02-15 01:44 <nebadon_laptop> and so far I can not figure out why
2014-02-15 01:44 <nebadon_laptop> logs say nothing
2014-02-15 01:44 <nebadon_laptop> maybe they do, its possible im just not seeing that, wish i was less distracted right now
2014-02-15 01:44 <justincc> no worries
2014-02-15 01:45 <nebadon_laptop> i can tell you it started right after we upgraded the wiki
2014-02-15 01:45 <nebadon_laptop> so im 99% sure the wiki is the cause of mysql crapping out
2014-02-15 01:45 <nebadon_laptop> but why i don't know
2014-02-15 01:46 <justincc> it wouldn't be doing much to the db at all though
2014-02-15 01:46 <nebadon_laptop> i know but
2014-02-15 01:46 <nebadon_laptop> i suspect its some kind of attack
2014-02-15 01:46 <justincc> nngff
2014-02-15 01:46 <nebadon_laptop> bots requesting info maybe
2014-02-15 01:46 <justincc> why can't they all just go and steal bitcoint instead
2014-02-15 01:46 <justincc> honsetly
2014-02-15 01:46 <nebadon_laptop> i did notice there are a lot of bots crawling the site
2014-02-15 01:46 <osmantis> Bug #6951:04 [PATCH] Enable runprebuild.bat to run in Cygwin + support .NET 4.5 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6951 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2014-02-15 01:47 <nebadon_laptop> maybe we need some kind of robots.txt whitelist
2014-02-15 01:47 <nebadon_laptop> to allow google and bing and couple other engines
2014-02-15 01:47 <nebadon_laptop> and everything else is blocked
2014-02-15 01:47 <justincc> won't stop mailiciuos bots
2014-02-15 01:47 <nebadon_laptop> ya true
2014-02-15 01:48 <nebadon_laptop> well if you feel like taking a look please do, and when I have a bit more time I will try to dig deeper too
2014-02-15 01:48 <nebadon_laptop> always good to have a second set of eyes looking
2014-02-15 01:48 <justincc> I'll try to if I get a chance
2014-02-15 01:48 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: so you're having to manually restart it 2-3 times per day?
2014-02-15 01:48 <nebadon_laptop> no per week
2014-02-15 01:48 <justincc> ok, phew
2014-02-15 01:48 <justincc> still not good
2014-02-15 01:48 <nebadon_laptop> ya its not that bad, but still
2014-02-15 01:48 <nebadon_laptop> last time it went about 30 hours before dan was able to tell me
2014-02-15 01:49 <justincc> heh, have a ctron job that restarts it daily (not a solution, I know)
2014-02-15 01:49 <nebadon_laptop> and I was on airplane
2014-02-15 01:49 <nebadon_laptop> i had to skype melanie to get her to do it
2014-02-15 01:49 <nebadon_laptop> I thought about that
2014-02-15 01:49 <nebadon_laptop> but that could be disruptive
2014-02-15 01:49 <justincc> nah, needs to be properly addressed
2014-02-15 01:49 <justincc> really should not be happening
2014-02-15 01:49 <nebadon_laptop> say someone is writing a big wiki entry
2014-02-15 01:49 <justincc> urgh, another thing
2014-02-15 01:49 <nebadon_laptop> and it restarts right as they hit submit
2014-02-15 01:49 <nebadon_laptop> small chance but still a chance
2014-02-15 01:50 <justincc> man, if only people were as careful as you writing code we might not have so many race conditions
2014-02-15 01:51 <nebadon_laptop> hehe
2014-02-15 02:02 <dahlia> a multithreaded open source project is a race condition magnet 
2014-02-15 02:08 <justincc> okay bed time.  goodnight folks
2014-02-15 02:18 <diva> the web is littered with bots, it's amazing
2014-02-15 02:18 <diva> most entries on my UCI server are from bots
2014-02-15 02:19 <dahlia> blog entries?
2014-02-15 02:22 <diva> no, I mean visits
2014-02-15 02:23 <dahlia> oh ya I get a several a day even on my home web server
2014-02-15 02:23 <dahlia> search engines mostly
2014-02-15 02:25 <LiruCookies> If I programmed an AI Robot to browse the internet using a computer, would it be right to have it identify as a bot?
2014-02-15 02:28 <diva> you are supposed to set the User Agent in a way that identifies your program
2014-02-15 02:29 <LiruCookies> But it's not a program, it's a robot using a web browser.
2014-02-15 02:29 <dahlia> lol
2014-02-15 02:29 <LiruCookies> Theoretically, the same one I use on my same computer
2014-02-15 02:29 <diva> a mechanical robot? :)
2014-02-15 02:29 <LiruCookies> yusyus
2014-02-15 02:31 <LiruCookies> (because, y'know, by the time we have such good sensor technology that a robot can browse and understan the web, it still won't be able to browse the web on its own... or maybe its task just isn't that, yes, this is more plausible.)
2014-02-15 02:31 <LiruCookies> understand the web on a computer screen*
2014-02-15 02:32 <diva> :)
2014-02-15 02:32 <dahlia> NSA has technology that can read your screen frim files away by detecting stray electromagnetic waves
2014-02-15 02:32 <dahlia> so a robot should be able to do it
2014-02-15 02:32 <dahlia> *from miles away
2014-02-15 02:33 <LiruCookies> Really the easiest method would be to provide an output for the robot itself, so we could see what it is browsing
2014-02-15 02:33 <LiruCookies> dahlia: information processing is also necessary.
2014-02-15 02:33 <dahlia> convert it back to ascii :P
2014-02-15 02:33 <LiruCookies> Identify and manipulate mouse
2014-02-15 02:33 <dahlia> errrr. utf8
2014-02-15 02:33 <LiruCookies> We also need to understand images
2014-02-15 02:33 <dahlia> and cat videos
2014-02-15 02:34 <dahlia> google has ai which can watch cat videos
2014-02-15 02:34 <LiruCookies> source?
2014-02-15 02:35 <dahlia> was in the news a while back, google made an AI which characterized youtube vids 
2014-02-15 02:37 <LiruCookies> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/06/using-large-scale-brain-simulations-for.html
2014-02-15 02:40 <nebadon_laptop> ok im outty for a bit heading home soon, back in a bit
2014-02-15 03:15 <CG4Life> re: NSA reading your computer via e&m, that techs been around since at least the 80s
2014-02-15 03:16 <CG4Life> I should know, I used to have to work in a em-proof vault when I was working at gov research lab. :)
2014-02-15 03:17 <dahlia> CG4Life: ya I've worked designing equipment that was designed to subvert such methods in the past ;)
2014-02-15 03:17 <CG4Life> of course, most people don't want to live in a vault...save maybe those that believe end of days is near
2014-02-15 03:18 <CG4Life> or was that a movie about going to Pubs?
2014-02-15 03:18 <CG4Life> still got to see that darn movie...
2014-02-15 03:18 <CG4Life> the end of the world pub or something. lol
2014-02-15 03:18 <dahlia> or outdoors enjoying the tempestuous weather ;)
2014-02-15 03:18 <CG4Life> seattle weather is always interesting
2014-02-15 03:18 <lkalif> wow, as always the viewer code is super-ultra convoluted
2014-02-15 03:19 <CG4Life> happily usually not snow!
2014-02-15 03:20 <CG4Life> ok, time for v-day stuff...got git updated and projects downloaded and compiled (hurrah)...baby steps...
2014-02-15 03:20 <CG4Life> later! enjoy!
2014-02-15 03:20 <dahlia> happy vday :)
2014-02-15 03:21 <CG4Life> to you too!
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2014-02-15 04:03 <lkalif> wow
2014-02-15 04:04 <lkalif> Visual Studio 2012 has a built in mesh editor. I tried to open a collada file expecting to see xml and I got this http://i.imgur.com/o9hIZOA.png
2014-02-15 04:04 <lkalif> I'm mildly shocked lol
2014-02-15 04:19 <dahlia> lkalif: looks like something one might find for sale in SL
2014-02-15 04:21 <lkalif> i made this one
2014-02-15 04:21 <dahlia> does express do that?
2014-02-15 04:22 <lkalif> no idea, probably not
2014-02-15 04:22 <diva> wow. VS?!
2014-02-15 04:22 <dahlia> meh I use blender or meshlab anyway
2014-02-15 04:23 <lkalif> I use blender too
2014-02-15 04:23 <dahlia> I was once considering writing a llMesh plugin for meshlab but no free time now
2014-02-15 04:23 <lkalif> what is mesh lab?
2014-02-15 04:23 <dahlia> mesh viewer modifier thingie
2014-02-15 04:24 <nebadon_laptop> back
2014-02-15 04:24 <dahlia> wb
2014-02-15 04:24 <lkalif> collada import code in the viewer looks super complicated
2014-02-15 04:25 <nebadon_laptop> whats up with Meshlab?
2014-02-15 04:25 <nebadon_laptop> i wish i could use meshlab
2014-02-15 04:25 <nebadon_laptop> it doesnt run in 64 bit Windows 8 from what I can tell
2014-02-15 04:25 <dahlia> runs fine for me
2014-02-15 04:25 <nebadon_laptop> wierd it keeps telling me to install something and I do install it
2014-02-15 04:25 <nebadon_laptop> some microsoft C++ runtime or something
2014-02-15 04:26 <dahlia> it is kinda lame opengl code but has lots of cool meshie featureness anyway
2014-02-15 04:26 <lkalif> what would one use meshlab for?
2014-02-15 04:27 <dahlia> I mostly use it as a quicky mesh viewer
2014-02-15 04:27 <nebadon_laptop> it wont even install for me
2014-02-15 04:27 <dahlia> bummer
2014-02-15 04:27 <dahlia> delete old ones?
2014-02-15 04:27 <nebadon_laptop> it tells me I dont have Microsoft Visual C++ 2008 SP1 Redistributable
2014-02-15 04:27 <nebadon_laptop> which is installed
2014-02-15 04:27 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: so install it
2014-02-15 04:28 <nebadon_laptop> i have
2014-02-15 04:28 <nebadon_laptop> i get same message everytime
2014-02-15 04:28 <dahlia> oh maybe some dll version glitch
2014-02-15 04:28 <dahlia> report as bug :)
2014-02-15 04:28 <LiruCookies> lkalif: It is a tad complicated, maybe I could shed some light on it somewhere?
2014-02-15 04:29 <dahlia> usually you can include any dlls with the program, hence the term "redistributable"
2014-02-15 04:29 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-02-15 04:29 <dahlia> so maybe they forgot
2014-02-15 04:29 <nebadon_laptop> i get this message as soon as I click on the installer
2014-02-15 04:29 <nebadon_laptop> maybe I should try the 32 bit version
2014-02-15 04:30 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Long before Drake tried to tackle mesh upload, I had a branch where I was attacking it for weeks... which is like days to me now, but in doing so, I learned a lot about it, also since then I have too.
2014-02-15 04:30 <nebadon_laptop> figures
2014-02-15 04:30 <nebadon_laptop> 32 bit version works
2014-02-15 04:30 <nebadon_laptop> didnt think to try that previously
2014-02-15 04:30 <lkalif> LiruCookies: I found all the relevant bits
2014-02-15 04:30 <nebadon_laptop> thats good though I was actually bummed i couldnt use it at all
2014-02-15 04:31 <nebadon_laptop> its quite handy
2014-02-15 04:31 <dahlia> nebadon_laptop: http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/meshlab.jpg
2014-02-15 04:31 <lkalif> LiruCookies: I evem managed to parse collada file from llappviewer if a command line switch was given
2014-02-15 04:32 <nebadon_laptop> ya dahlia that must be the 32 bit version too
2014-02-15 04:32 <dahlia> dunno
2014-02-15 04:33 <dahlia> 32bit goodenuf for what I was doing anyway
2014-02-15 04:33 <nebadon_laptop> heh interesting i never looked at that before, all italians
2014-02-15 04:33 <nebadon_laptop> im impressed hehe
2014-02-15 04:33 <nebadon_laptop> several names ending in oni like me lol
2014-02-15 04:33 <dahlia> italians? OMG *uninstalls and runs virus check....
2014-02-15 04:33 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-02-15 04:33 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Oh, cute.
2014-02-15 04:34 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: you're italian?
2014-02-15 04:34 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-02-15 04:34 <nebadon_laptop> well italian heritage
2014-02-15 04:34 <Thonneve> nebadon_laptop: Did you see my message yesterday about titan?
2014-02-15 04:34 <nebadon_laptop> im american of course
2014-02-15 04:34 <lkalif> I don't believe you
2014-02-15 04:34 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-02-15 04:34 <nebadon_laptop> i dont know Thonneve maybe
2014-02-15 04:34 <lkalif> you're way too calm to be italian :P
2014-02-15 04:34 <nebadon_laptop> haha
2014-02-15 04:34 <LiruCookies> lkalif: We could ship that... or better yet, we could send a signal via slurl.
2014-02-15 04:34 <nebadon_laptop> 
ACTION throws a pizza at lkalif

2014-02-15 04:35 <dahlia> 
ACTION agrees about the calmness thing

2014-02-15 04:35 <Thonneve> If titan was to mine bitcoins it would make enough to pay for power AND 10k a day
2014-02-15 04:35 <nebadon_laptop> haha
2014-02-15 04:35 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: I'm from those parts. I you know my temper lol
2014-02-15 04:35 <nebadon_laptop> ah nice Thonneve
2014-02-15 04:35 <nebadon_laptop> Michael Emory Cerquoni
2014-02-15 04:35 <nebadon_laptop> family is from Abruzzi
2014-02-15 04:35 <dahlia> Thonneve: titan is probably computing hashes but I bet it's not for bitcoins :P
2014-02-15 04:35 <Thonneve> So when are we tricking the titan guys into letting us mine bitcoins?
2014-02-15 04:35 <nebadon_laptop> http://www.cerquoni.com
2014-02-15 04:35 <nebadon_laptop> haha
2014-02-15 04:35 <Thonneve> dahlia: That's what it's designed to do
2014-02-15 04:36 <Thonneve> In fact titan is basically just a massive bitcoin mining rig
2014-02-15 04:36 <lkalif> wasn't there a porn star called cerquoni
2014-02-15 04:36 <Thonneve> Used to do other stuff
2014-02-15 04:36 <dahlia> ya *other stuff*
2014-02-15 04:36 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-02-15 04:36 <nebadon_laptop> dunno that would be interesting if there was lkalif lol
2014-02-15 04:36 <Thonneve> I think atm it's simulating either an engine or a nuclear reaction
2014-02-15 04:36 <dahlia> or cracking everyones SSH keys
2014-02-15 04:37 <lkalif> I think I'm confusing that with Cicciolina, who was a porn start and successfully run for parliament
2014-02-15 04:37 <lkalif> which made headlines
2014-02-15 04:37 <Thonneve> Not even titan could crack certain encryptions in our lifetime
2014-02-15 04:37 <nebadon_laptop> haha
2014-02-15 04:38 <lkalif> one of those "only in italy" things ;)
2014-02-15 04:40 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-02-15 04:40 <nebadon_laptop> and maybe Nevada too
2014-02-15 04:40 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-02-15 04:40 <lkalif> Who knows, if some porn start decided to run for Congress, they might get in lol
2014-02-15 04:41 <dahlia> Thonneve: assuming a perfect random function, probably not. 
2014-02-15 04:42 <lkalif> you can build yourself a physical true random number generator
2014-02-15 04:42 <nebadon_laptop> 50 gallon drum with 500 d20 dice you tip over
2014-02-15 04:42 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-02-15 04:43 <dahlia> lol
2014-02-15 04:43 <lkalif> there is a way to get at quantum mechanical randomness with relatively simple circuitry
2014-02-15 04:43 <lkalif> all it takes is a diod
2014-02-15 04:44 <dahlia> ya but I think the more common method is to do things like measure mouse movements
2014-02-15 04:44 <lkalif> yeah, this requires specialized hardware
2014-02-15 04:44 <lkalif> which you can get on a usb stick
2014-02-15 04:45 <lkalif> or build it yourself if truly paranoid
2014-02-15 04:45 <dahlia> well just becaue you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :P
2014-02-15 04:52 <lkalif> NSA is collecting your data right now anyway
2014-02-15 04:52 <lkalif> dahlia: and you're a target too, you're just 1 "hop" from someone called "Latif Khalifa" :P
2014-02-15 04:54 <dahlia> lkalif: yes I know that
2014-02-15 05:01 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-02-15 05:07 <Thonneve> Right, successfully setup opensim to start on systemstartup under a tmux session
2014-02-15 05:07 <Thonneve> That was more harder than I bargained for
2014-02-15 05:19 <Thonneve> lkalif: I hope the NSA is collecting my data, they can read all the insults aimed towards them
2014-02-15 05:27 <Thonneve> nebadon_laptop: Do you happen to know if theres any speed increase between sqlite vs mysql?
2014-02-15 05:27 <nebadon_laptop> ya mysql pretty much stomps sqlite, but it uses more resources
2014-02-15 05:28 <nebadon_laptop> but in terms of performance if tuned properly mysql is considerably faster
2014-02-15 05:28 <Thonneve> Would you say i would experiance similar speeds with mariadb?
2014-02-15 05:28 <nebadon_laptop> mariadb is even faster
2014-02-15 05:28 <nebadon_laptop> thats all i use anymnore
2014-02-15 05:28 <Thonneve> I take it opensim supports mariadb?
2014-02-15 05:29 <nebadon_laptop> mariadb is a mysql fork
2014-02-15 05:29 <nebadon_laptop> uses same connectors
2014-02-15 05:29 <nebadon_laptop> it was forked by the original creators of mysql after oracle bought sun
2014-02-15 05:29 <nebadon_laptop> oracle is slowing killing mysql
2014-02-15 05:29 <Thonneve> I thought they changed some stuff
2014-02-15 05:29 <nebadon_laptop> mostly by not working with the community
2014-02-15 05:30 <nebadon_laptop> ya there is a lot of new stuff
2014-02-15 05:30 <nebadon_laptop> better security, its faster
2014-02-15 05:30 <nebadon_laptop> patches accepted from public
2014-02-15 05:30 <nebadon_laptop> Percona is good too
2014-02-15 05:31 <nebadon_laptop> http://www.percona.com/
2014-02-15 05:31 <nebadon_laptop> http://www.percona.com/software/percona-server
2014-02-15 05:32 <Thonneve> Where is storagedb stuff set again?
2014-02-15 05:33 <nebadon_laptop> GridCommon.ini
2014-02-15 05:33 <nebadon_laptop> assuming you are running grid mode
2014-02-15 12:18 <osmantis> Bug #6928:04 new Group error with master 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6928 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-15 14:58 <osmantis> Bug #7001:04 avatar walking or running and flying or fast flyig have the same speed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7001 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-02-15 14:59 <osmantis> Bug #6994:04 [VarRegion] Console command: rotate scene bad default values for center 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6994 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-02-15 15:00 <osmantis> Bug #6980:04 VARREGION Cross boarder teleport and walk failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6980 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-02-15 15:00 <osmantis> Bug #6979:04 [VarRegion] Terrain render in the MiniMap with FireStorm 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6979 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-02-15 15:00 <osmantis> Bug #6978:04 [VarRegion] Double-click teleport and VarRegion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6978 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-02-15 16:14 <diva> lkalif ping
2014-02-15 16:15 <lkalif> diva: hey
2014-02-15 16:17 <diva> hi lkalif, so another idea for the mesh import: how about using the singularity xml format "understand" a directive to read one or more .dae file that's on the disk somewhere?
2014-02-15 16:18 <diva> that way we could potentially use the viewer to do bulk uploads to inventory, at least. I don't know if it would be possible to make it rez them inworld with additional directives for that
2014-02-15 16:19 <lkalif> that would be a great idea, excapt the viewer code is so intertwined 
2014-02-15 16:20 <lkalif> spent some hours looking at it yesterday trying to untangle it
2014-02-15 16:21 <lkalif> intertwined with gui i mean. 
2014-02-15 16:22 <diva> you mean it might be hard to make the xml execution code call the collada import code without gui being involved?
2014-02-15 16:23 <lkalif> yes. there is no clean "read collada file" function
2014-02-15 16:23 <lkalif> there is like "read collada file while updating the preview window"
2014-02-15 16:23 <lkalif> and different things happen depending on the gui input
2014-02-15 16:24 <diva> yuk
2014-02-15 16:25 <lkalif> I guess we're better off writing a  nice c# implementation
2014-02-15 16:25 <lkalif> limited in features to begin with, like without support for rigged mesh clothes
2014-02-15 16:26 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: you think you could send me an example .dae file?
2014-02-15 16:26 <lkalif> diva: or you?
2014-02-15 16:27 <nebadon_laptop> sure give me a minute
2014-02-15 16:27 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: with textures if that's how you're uploading them
2014-02-15 16:28 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-02-15 16:42 <nebadon_laptop> brb have to reboot
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2014-02-15 17:48 <Ken_S> Just switched from MySQL to MariaDB and was much easier than just upgrading MySQL
2014-02-15 17:49 <Ken_S> I see why Google is dumping MySQL for MariaDB now.
2014-02-15 17:49 <Arielle_> do tell as I am  having to update
2014-02-15 17:49 <Ken_S> Instructions for switchover are different depending on whether on Windows of Linux
2014-02-15 17:50 <Ken_S> I am on Windows but other here have switched on Linux
2014-02-15 17:50 <Arielle_> windows for me
2014-02-15 17:51 <Ken_S> Arielle, leave MySQL on machine until MariaDB is fully installed
2014-02-15 17:52 <Arielle_> btw Ken_S are your megas broken  on the latest master?
2014-02-15 17:52 <Arielle_> ok
2014-02-15 17:52 <Ken_S> And use the MariaDB Upgrade wizard
2014-02-15 17:52 <Ken_S> I think Megas are still OK.  I went to one of mine yesterday and it seemed ok
2014-02-15 17:53 <Arielle_> did you try going to one of the subregions?
2014-02-15 17:53 <Arielle_> i  updated to the latest last night  and  now get  cant enter banned parcel
2014-02-15 17:54 <Arielle_> on singularity whereas FS just goes wonky throwing avatar all around
2014-02-15 17:54 <Ken_S> Try making AV fly up and see if issue goes away
2014-02-15 17:54 <Arielle_> that happens when i try to  cross over from region 1 to another
2014-02-15 17:54 <Ken_S> Crossing 256 areas in a mega?
2014-02-15 17:55 <Arielle_> i did but no joy in FS and Sing just puts me on a corne of  region 1 and wont let me move
2014-02-15 17:55 <Arielle_> yes
2014-02-15 17:55 <Ken_S> When all of mine get back up and running I'll see if mine is that way too.
2014-02-15 17:56 <Arielle_> ok thx
2014-02-15 17:56 <Arielle_> there is a mantis similar here http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6985
2014-02-15 17:56 <Ken_S> A couple of days ago I noticed I felt a border crossing in my mega when it has no borders
2014-02-15 17:57 <Ken_S> Here you go Arielle: https://mariadb.com/kb/en/how-can-i-upgrade-from-mysql-to-mariadb/
2014-02-15 17:57 <Arielle_> i can use a robust from the latest and a mega from Jan 18 and it is fine  but not a region on the latest
2014-02-15 17:58 <Ken_S> If you are using latest Robust, then I need to test this in my test grid.
2014-02-15 17:58 <Ken_S> It has new robust and opensim
2014-02-15 17:58 <Ken_S> OSG has not updated Robust to latest yet
2014-02-15 18:02 <Ken_S> Arielle, with latest Robust and latest opensim with Sing, my Mega works BUT
2014-02-15 18:02 <Ken_S> I feel 256x256 border crossing delays
2014-02-15 18:02 <Ken_S> Its as if its not a mega
2014-02-15 18:02 <Arielle_> how many regions on your mega?
2014-02-15 18:03 <Ken_S> Only 9 in this one
2014-02-15 18:03 <Arielle_> 16 for me, though likely not a factor
2014-02-15 18:03 <Arielle_> using newest sing?
2014-02-15 18:04 <Ken_S> Yes latest alpha as of 3 days ago. Not sure if there is newer yet
2014-02-15 18:05 <Arielle_> i'm using the latest stable
2014-02-15 18:05 <Ken_S> I am using very latest. Just checked
2014-02-15 18:06 <Arielle_> i will see if updating to the latest  alpha  at least allows me to cross borders
2014-02-15 18:06 <Ken_S> Something is still not right.
2014-02-15 18:07 <Ken_S> Megas should not have border crossings in their interior
2014-02-15 18:07 <Ken_S> There is definately the same feel as on normal sims crossing a border.
2014-02-15 18:07 <Arielle_> bullet or ode?
2014-02-15 18:07 <Ken_S> Bullet on this one.
2014-02-15 18:07 <Arielle_> i saw the prob on either but saw differing issues
2014-02-15 18:08 <Ken_S> I have only one still on ODE in OSGrid, but not sure if its back up yet.
2014-02-15 18:12 <Ken_S> Arielle, in OSGrid I cannot leave a 256x256 area in an ODE Mega there
2014-02-15 18:13 <Arielle_> ok so same issue as I have
2014-02-15 18:14 <Arielle_> but their robust is from 24/1/2014?
2014-02-15 18:14 <osmantis> Bug #6985:04 [VarRegion] Incompatibility between VarRegion and MegaRegion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6985 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-15 18:15 <Ken_S> The Robust and Opensim in my test grid is from last night
2014-02-15 18:15 <Ken_S> In OSGrid, their Robust is slightly older.
2014-02-15 18:16 <Ken_S> I added a note to the mantis with details of the problem in both instances.
2014-02-15 18:19 <Arielle_> saw it. Just checking the new sing and then i will add  a note also
2014-02-15 18:20 <Ken_S> Yes, megas are definately broken. 
2014-02-15 18:23 <Arielle_> considering the date of the mantis, it has been for a few weeks already
2014-02-15 18:23 <Arielle_> but after Jan 18
2014-02-15 18:24 <Ken_S> I switched some of my Megas to Vars so thats why I had not noticed it in osg
2014-02-15 18:28 <Arielle_> i notice that on bullet that  it has the slight delay like a regular region crossing but   when i keep flying to the next border things go wonky and my builds all disappear from view
2014-02-15 18:29 <Ken_S> Yes I saw terrain dissappear too
2014-02-15 18:29 <Ken_S> But the mega I was testing was on ODE
2014-02-15 18:29 <Arielle_> then when i stop flying I land on the terrain  and then after a few seconds i see nothing  but blue and I am dropping  -35000 +
2014-02-15 18:37 <Arielle_> On Ode when attempting to cross i still get "Cannot region cross into banned parcel" 
2014-02-15 18:37 <Ken_S> I saw that a couple of times too Arielle
2014-02-15 18:37 <Arielle_> and console going crazy
2014-02-15 18:40 <Arielle_> attempted to to a center region crashes the viewer
2014-02-15 18:40 <Arielle_> TP^
2014-02-15 18:51 <osmantis> Bug #6985:04 [VarRegion] Incompatibility between VarRegion and MegaRegion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6985 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2014-02-15 18:52 <osmantis> Bug #6985:04 [VarRegion] Incompatibility between VarRegion and MegaRegion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6985 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-15 19:03 <Plugh> One grid I'm in gives double results when doing a people search. Is that coming from a search module or a profile module?
2014-02-15 19:11 <nebadon_laptop> search module I think
2014-02-15 19:19 <Misterblue> Ken_S, Arielle_: the mega-region breakage might be my doing... I'm working on that at the moment
2014-02-15 19:20 <Misterblue> I think my new border crossing logic is not taking mega-regions into account
2014-02-15 19:20 <Arielle_> ok great. Ty Misterblue
2014-02-15 19:22 <Ken_S> Thanks MisterBlue!
2014-02-15 19:23 <Misterblue> 
ACTION wonders if the code could be moded to allow mega-regions of larger varregions

2014-02-15 19:24 <Ken_S> Misterblue , interesting thought.
2014-02-15 19:25 <Ken_S> Nebadon, thanks for the tip yesterday about MariaDB!
2014-02-15 19:25 <nebadon_laptop> no problem :)
2014-02-15 19:26 <Ken_S> The switch to it was less pain that updating to a newer version of MySQL
2014-02-15 19:30 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: that's what I thought but I'm not so sure when it comes to the people search.
2014-02-15 19:31 <nebadon_laptop> maybe its something to with ossearch module and the internal search module
2014-02-15 19:44 <Plugh> Thought about that. Already found that the grid had two search modules enabled at the same time.
2014-02-15 19:44 <Plugh> Still didn't help people search.
2014-02-15 19:51 <Plugh> Double results are just something I noticed in a grid I visited and was just passing on some comments to the grid owners.
2014-02-15 20:10 <RiRa> still not really into mariadb. because i have not find out of workbench works with it. i  readed posts that there are soem conflicts
2014-02-15 20:10 <RiRa> Plugh, whats the reason you use mariadb ?
2014-02-15 20:15 <Misterblue> would people be too upset of mega-regions had to be rectangular (once combined together)?
2014-02-15 20:16 <Arielle_> for me it would mean  having to modify a couple of exisiting 6 and 2 region megas
2014-02-15 20:16 <Arielle_> upset no.
2014-02-15 20:16 <Misterblue> they'd still be rectangular (don't need to be square)
2014-02-15 20:16 <nebadon_laptop> MariaDB is mysql
2014-02-15 20:17 <nebadon_laptop> its 100% compatible with any mysql tools
2014-02-15 20:17 <Misterblue> the existing code lets you make a 5 region mega-region: one row of three and one row of two
2014-02-15 20:17 <Arielle_> oh i see....not heard of anyone dong that  
2014-02-15 20:17 <Arielle_> easy enough to add one as a water region though
2014-02-15 20:17 <Ken_S> Misterblue, thats sure no problem for me
2014-02-15 20:18 <Arielle_> just needs an extra port
2014-02-15 20:18 <Misterblue> k... that REALLY simplifies the code
2014-02-15 20:18 <Arielle_> what would happen though if someone tried to run a 5 region  instance?
2014-02-15 20:19 <Ken_S> Nebadon_Laptop, I saw where Google is dumping Oracle MySQL and switching to MariaDB MySQL
2014-02-15 20:19 <RiRa> rectan gle. why that strange shape ?
2014-02-15 20:20 <Arielle_> why is that strange
2014-02-15 20:20 <Misterblue> I don't think anything would happen... possibly odd error messages when you tried to goto the region that wasn't there
2014-02-15 20:20 <nebadon_laptop> for the most part Oracle Mysql devolpment is pretty dead
2014-02-15 20:20 <nebadon_laptop> they no longer accept patches from the public mostly
2014-02-15 20:20 <nebadon_laptop> MariaDB is far better at this point
2014-02-15 20:20 <RiRa> Ok. thanks nebadon. you say i can use mysql workbench (unless you know a good replacement for windows) and usemariadb. because reinstalling my grid server
2014-02-15 20:20 <nebadon_laptop> but its still considered mysql
2014-02-15 20:21 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2014-02-15 20:21 <Ken_S> Personally, if square or rectangle megas are required that should not be an issue for most.
2014-02-15 20:21 <Arielle_> i am just wondering if Maria can be a drop in  to my Xampp
2014-02-15 20:21 <Ken_S> Nebadon_Laptop, so far all the MySQL utilities to edit etc. the database work fine
2014-02-15 20:22 <nebadon_laptop> Arielle_ I don't know, Xampp is pretty integrated so i would be surprised if you could just drop in MariaDB and have all the Xampp Control panels work
2014-02-15 20:22 <nebadon_laptop> but maybe
2014-02-15 20:22 <nebadon_laptop> I have never tried it
2014-02-15 20:22 <nebadon_laptop> it all depends on how stock Xampp keeps mysql
2014-02-15 20:22 <RiRa> thats why i use workbench. works good and im used to it.
2014-02-15 20:22 <Arielle_> just searching  google now for any hints 
2014-02-15 20:22 <RiRa> but go install mariadb on windows
2014-02-15 20:23 <nebadon_laptop> there is no reason you couldnt install MariaDB side by side with Xampp though
2014-02-15 20:23 <nebadon_laptop> just dont start mysql via the xampp control panel
2014-02-15 20:24 <Ken_S> It took me all of 15 minutes to switch 200+ sims to MariaDB. Painless
2014-02-15 20:25 <RiRa> well, i keep mysql on other for my own grid i drop maria on it
2014-02-15 20:27 <Arielle_> http://sourceforge.net/projects/w-nmp/
2014-02-15 20:27 <Ken_S> MySQL Workbench 6.0 CE is working fine with MariaDB
2014-02-15 20:30 <RiRa> just downloaded both
2014-02-15 21:02 <Spiralmatrix> possibly a silly question but to use MariaDB with Opensim do you just just the MYSQL connector part in Opensim?
2014-02-15 21:06 <RiRa> yes. its just the same as with mysql
2014-02-15 21:06 <Spiralmatrix> cool, thank you
2014-02-15 21:28 <Misterblue> ping Melanie_T: there is some funky code in EntityTransferModule that checks whether a child agent exists for a teleporting presence
2014-02-15 21:28 <Misterblue> but it checks for existance by computations based on draw distance (???!!?)
2014-02-15 21:29 <Misterblue> wouldn't a proper solution be to just lookup the child caps connection and not create a new one if  there was already one there?
2014-02-15 21:39 <Plugh> RiRa, you must have misdirected the question. I don't use MariaDB
2014-02-15 21:39 <RiRa> ok
2014-02-15 21:39 <RiRa> misreading
2014-02-15 21:46 <Arielle_> nebadon_laptop what process does Osgrid use to purge an appearance? Is there a console command for it or some database script?
2014-02-15 21:48 <danbanner> Arielle_: its done with php calling a mysql query
2014-02-15 21:50 <Arielle_> would the query run on any grid danbanner ?
2014-02-15 21:51 <danbanner> probably
2014-02-15 21:54 <Arielle_> you mind sharing it? Having a corruption issue with an avatar and nothing  i have done seems to fix it
2014-02-15 22:03 <danbanner> i have no idea where thats actually at ari
2014-02-15 22:03 <danbanner> if i see it i'll holler
2014-02-15 22:04 <Arielle_> i see
2014-02-15 22:04 <Arielle_> ok
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2014-02-16 01:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #3300 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-16 01:13 <Misterblue> still something wrong with border crossing... more to fix
2014-02-16 01:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3300: SUCCESS in 3 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3300/
2014-02-16 01:16 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Non-functional changes of numbers into symbolic references and a few
2014-02-16 01:16 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Rewrite of mega-region code to use new form of border checking.
2014-02-16 01:16 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Properly restore position on crossing failure for mega-regions.
2014-02-16 01:16 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Fix displacement and location operations on legacy trees and grass in
2014-02-16 01:46 <Misterblue> sheesh... there are a lot of expiration caches in OpenSim
2014-02-16 01:48 <dahlia> sounds like a hurlicane addition
2014-02-16 01:48 <Spiralmatrix> Misterblue: you look like your on a mission there :)
2014-02-16 01:50 <Misterblue> I keep running into caches on top of caches... definitely looks like lots of different people have implemented layers and said "hey, I need a cache here" not realizing there is a cache above or below that layer
2014-02-16 01:52 <Misterblue> fortunatly or unfortunatly for OpenSim, I'm comfortable enough with the code to hack away :)
2014-02-16 01:52 <Spiralmatrix> hahahaha lol
2014-02-16 01:53 <Spiralmatrix> well as long as the wheels / legs dont fall off I'm sure it would be better you than me having a shot :)
2014-02-16 01:55 <Misterblue> can't say I'm innocent at adding caches when not needed... there is a lot of code to understand to know what's really happening and the impact of changes
2014-02-16 01:57 <Spiralmatrix> well at least your honest :) me I've a honest novice who keeps chipping away but also determined so will get there one day hopefully 
2014-02-16 01:59 <Misterblue> someday, you'll grok OpenSimulatorness...
2014-02-16 02:00 <Misterblue> and then, like me, you'll decide that a different design is needed :)
2014-02-16 02:01 <Spiralmatrix> im just an old fashioned romantic that keeps hoping it will come round lol, your implimentation of bulletsim just proves my theory to be true :)
2014-02-16 02:02 <Misterblue> OpenSim is pretty modular
2014-02-16 02:03 <Misterblue> in the back of my mind, I'm thinking of a module to talk a different protocal to a different viewer
2014-02-16 02:03 <Misterblue> that's been tried before, though
2014-02-16 02:04 <Misterblue> bummer... looks like I've totally borked region crossing
2014-02-16 02:04 <Misterblue> fixes neede
2014-02-16 02:04 <Misterblue> the 'master' branch is a little borked at the moment... just a warning
2014-02-16 02:05 <Spiralmatrix> it would be nice to have a browser that doesnt constantly reference second life, i know that might seem harsh but I think opensim should have its true own identity 
2014-02-16 02:06 <Spiralmatrix> I like to think of it more as a work in progress that will take everyone to a happier place one day :)
2014-02-16 02:09 <Arielle_> for those who were paying $300 per region in s/l, Opensim is already a much happier place
2014-02-16 02:09 <JoeRadik> +1
2014-02-16 02:10 <Misterblue> I have dreams of a browser based viewer for OpenSim
2014-02-16 02:11 <Misterblue> need someone who knows shaders
2014-02-16 02:12 <Arielle_> dont you think browser based viewers would be limited to tourists?
2014-02-16 02:13 <Spiralmatrix> I used to run a license of ActiveWorlds tech in the very late 90's trust me that made SL seem heven, but I gave up on both a long time back and found Opensim and still keep trying :)
2014-02-16 02:13 <Spiralmatrix> a browser based viewer would be great I though there kind of was a work in progress one
2014-02-16 02:14 <Misterblue> a browser based viewer is really just an OpenGL viewer in JavaScript
2014-02-16 02:14 <Arielle_> pixelviewer
2014-02-16 02:14 <Misterblue> it doesn't need to be in a browser... but that's an easy place
2014-02-16 02:14 <Spiralmatrix> thats the one but never seen it operational
2014-02-16 02:15 <Misterblue> pixelviewer made a lot of other decisions about distribution and what they built on
2014-02-16 02:15 <Misterblue> I'd want to build on the OpenSim content and worlds... content to kickstart the growth
2014-02-16 02:15 <Spiralmatrix> that wont work out well for this the
2014-02-16 02:15 <Arielle_> so just a lightweight viewer like radegast with better rendering?
2014-02-16 02:16 <Misterblue> I think connectivity is a continium... from presence to text chat to hangout to being in a place together
2014-02-16 02:16 <Misterblue> I don't think SL figured that out... one is at your computer/tablet and want to be in the same 'place' as your friends
2014-02-16 02:17 <Spiralmatrix> being an apple kind of guy what would be nice is if it worked in iOS :)
2014-02-16 02:17 <Misterblue> but the rest of the time you just want to share -- a connection with your friends to share chat and pictures
2014-02-16 02:17 <Spiralmatrix> make a more social / mobile kind of expeience 
2014-02-16 02:18 <Misterblue> it's a continuium and sometime space specific and sometimes 'your group of friends' specific and sometimes just hanging out
2014-02-16 02:19 <Misterblue> so the virtual world supports the shared space but it needs to also support the less immediately connected modes also
2014-02-16 02:20 <Ken_S> Misterblue, thanks so much for the fixes!
2014-02-16 02:20 <Ken_S> Doing a rolling restart now.
2014-02-16 02:21 <Ken_S> I see you went ahead and did the megavar thing too! lol
2014-02-16 02:21 <Misterblue> Ken_S: warning... looks like I borked region crossing in general
2014-02-16 02:21 <Ken_S> Still issues then?
2014-02-16 02:21 <Misterblue> I'm looking at that now
2014-02-16 02:21 <Misterblue> ya... seems to think things are more mega-region'ish than they really are
2014-02-16 02:22 <Ken_S> OK, I dont have any people on sims that touch others other than myself so can live with it for a while.
2014-02-16 02:22 <Misterblue> if you're doing no crossing, you won't notice the problem :)
2014-02-16 02:22 <Arielle_> lol
2014-02-16 02:22 <Ken_S> If anyone complains, I'll just revert :)
2014-02-16 02:23 <Arielle_> set a border patrol
2014-02-16 02:23 <Misterblue> but it's broken... Scene.PositionIsInCurrentRegion() seems to be too generous
2014-02-16 02:23 <Ken_S> Arielle, no the feds would come in and tell us we cannot protect our own borders.
2014-02-16 02:24 <Spiralmatrix> just tell them the toll booths are on back order :)
2014-02-16 02:24 <Ken_S> lol  Send the money to paypal, then tp in
2014-02-16 02:24 <Ken_S> Misterblue, does it crash, or just not allow crossings?
2014-02-16 02:24 <Misterblue> toll booths everywhere!! send me money!!
2014-02-16 02:25 <Misterblue> just doesn't allow crossings
2014-02-16 02:25 <Ken_S> OK, no biggie then
2014-02-16 02:26 <Misterblue> 
ACTION imagines the interstate highway system with toll boothes at each state or jurisdiction border

2014-02-16 02:27 <Spiralmatrix> does bulletsim support ejector seats when hitting a brick wall :)
2014-02-16 02:27 <Ken_S> Ken_S imagines one national east west and one north south highway with no speed limit.
2014-02-16 02:29 <Arielle_> some older releases with ode  had what appeared to be an ejector seat when getting out of a vehicle. Was considered a bug though, not a feature....fine line between the 2 sometimes
2014-02-16 02:32 <Spiralmatrix> being in the UK and getting in the wrong side I always saw that as a exit move lol
2014-02-16 02:32 <Misterblue> BulletSim would let you eject... not sure the LSL event exist to make that all happen, thoug
2014-02-16 02:34 <Spiralmatrix> Spiralmatrix feels a matis coming on :P 
2014-02-16 02:34 <Spiralmatrix> just kidding im not that brave lol
2014-02-16 02:35 <Ken_S> Misterblue want to take time from you working on code, but any idea when you might have a fix?
2014-02-16 02:35 <Ken_S> *dont want to take time
2014-02-16 02:35 <Misterblue> hopefully in the next few minutes :)
2014-02-16 02:35 <Ken_S> wow :)
2014-02-16 02:36 <Misterblue> I don't mind problem with funny configurations, but this is pretty major
2014-02-16 02:45 <Misterblue> OMG... so embarassing
2014-02-16 02:46 <Misterblue> saddly, git will record my sins
2014-02-16 02:46 <Arielle_> has to know who to "blame"
2014-02-16 02:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #3301 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-16 02:53 <Misterblue> after playing with larger regions, 256x256 is really small
2014-02-16 02:54 <Arielle_> yes especially for vehicles
2014-02-16 02:55 <Misterblue> Ken_S: region crossing is fixed (for some definition of 'fixed')
2014-02-16 02:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3301: SUCCESS in 3 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3301/
2014-02-16 02:55 <osjenkins> misterblue: Repair check for if in region position (I mean || is kinda like &&).
2014-02-16 02:55 <Misterblue> 
ACTION is testing some different configurations

2014-02-16 03:00 <Misterblue> ok... border crossing seems to be fixed and mega regions are much happier... now to rewrite terrain patch updating
2014-02-16 03:00 <frnic> anyone known to be running a region on a Raspberry Pi?
2014-02-16 03:01 <Ken_S> Misterblue, doing another rolling restart with your fix.
2014-02-16 03:01 <Misterblue> 
ACTION crosses fingers

2014-02-16 03:01 <Spiralmatrix> now you never said about terrain lol :P
2014-02-16 03:01 <Ken_S> Will be a while before sims are loaded that have neighbors.
2014-02-16 03:02 <Ken_S> Misterblue, are you refering to the slow terrain loading on vars?
2014-02-16 03:02 <osmantis> Bug #6985:04 [VarRegion] Incompatibility between VarRegion and MegaRegion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6985 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-16 03:03 <Misterblue> yes... the current implementation was done before all the terrain update events
2014-02-16 03:03 <Misterblue> I'm going to add a module that will update terrain from where the avatar is and out
2014-02-16 03:04 <Misterblue> rather than from the outside region borders and to the middle
2014-02-16 03:04 <Ken_S> Sounds good :)
2014-02-16 03:04 <Misterblue> it will also only send terrain patches for the draw distance of the avatar
2014-02-16 03:05 <Ken_S> Will prim rezzing be affected with these changes, or just terrain?
2014-02-16 03:05 <Misterblue> that way, people crazy enough to have 8192x8192 regions (I know one), will get updates around the avatar and not have to wait the several minutes for the whole region to load terrain
2014-02-16 03:05 <Misterblue> just terrain, Ken_S
2014-02-16 03:05 <Ken_S> Ok
2014-02-16 03:05 <Misterblue> there are other changes that need adding for better object updating
2014-02-16 03:06 <Arielle_> will that terrain module allow for larger  Vars?
2014-02-16 03:07 <Arielle_> or would 8192x8192 still be a limit?
2014-02-16 03:08 <Misterblue> that will be the limit... it seems the viewer gets constipated with anything larger
2014-02-16 03:08 <Arielle_> yes but apparently aurora had  fixed that somehow
2014-02-16 03:09 <Arielle_> lkalif said it had to do with opensim insisting on loading  the whole region into the viewer on login
2014-02-16 03:09 <Misterblue> the changes I know (on the server side) are sending only the needed  terrain and the needed objects
2014-02-16 03:09 <Misterblue> that last time I checked, sending all the terrain for a large region was hard on the viewer
2014-02-16 03:10 <Misterblue> it is possible that sending less terrain (view distance limited) will be better
2014-02-16 03:10 <Misterblue> 
ACTION crosses fingers

2014-02-16 03:10 <Arielle_> so  with the module the viewer may not choke
2014-02-16 03:10 <Misterblue> it will be better for terrain
2014-02-16 03:11 <Misterblue> the object optimization will follow
2014-02-16 03:11 <Misterblue> LL changed the protocol to be better with object caching
2014-02-16 03:12 <Misterblue> OpenSimulator is not using these additions yet but, since Aurora implemented them, it should be a "simple" matter of porting
2014-02-16 03:12 <Misterblue> don't know the definition of "simple" yet :)
2014-02-16 03:12 <Arielle_> hehe
2014-02-16 03:12 <Arielle_> keep the faith it is simple 
2014-02-16 03:16 <osmantis> Bug #6978:04 [VarRegion] Double-click teleport and VarRegion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6978 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-16 03:16 <Spiralmatrix> well i best get some sleep, been great chatting take care all
2014-02-16 03:16 <Arielle_> received this message on a double click tp 
2014-02-16 03:16 <Arielle_> Cannot cross into non-existant region
2014-02-16 03:17 <Misterblue> are you clicking on an existing region?
2014-02-16 03:17 <Arielle_> yes
2014-02-16 03:18 <Misterblue> I changed the code to actually pass the failure error up to the viewer (like banning, ...)
2014-02-16 03:18 <Misterblue> that means it thinks  the region doesn't exist
2014-02-16 03:18 <Arielle_> it then put me on 0,0,22 and i cant walk from there. All builds disappeared
2014-02-16 03:18 <Arielle_> oh wait, it is still square
2014-02-16 03:18 <Misterblue> you have a varregion that's larger than legacy?
2014-02-16 03:19 <Arielle_> is a 4x4  mega
2014-02-16 03:19 <Ken_S> Before this change today, I was seeing non existing region messages in the console related to sending map updates.
2014-02-16 03:20 <Misterblue> the map is a totally separate system that I'm having to change to encorporate varregions
2014-02-16 03:20 <Misterblue> if you have problems with maps, tell me and I'll try  to fix
2014-02-16 03:21 <Ken_S> The extra 256x256 areas in a var dont show the map in osg, but they do show on my test grid.
2014-02-16 03:21 <Misterblue> ('separate' in that being in a region (prims and presences) is different than making a map image and putting it somewhere so it shows up in the map dialog)
2014-02-16 03:21 <Ken_S> I assume thats related to Neb not updating Robust yet.
2014-02-16 03:22 <Misterblue> not sure... but I have had a few hiccups with Robust and Simian
2014-02-16 03:24 <Ken_S> If I dont see an issue on my test grid that has the latest Robust and opensim, I usually dont report it.
2014-02-16 03:24 <Ken_S> OSG Robust is usually behind dev master by a few weeks
2014-02-16 03:25 <Misterblue> Arielle_, you are having problems moving between mega regions?
2014-02-16 03:26 <Misterblue> or between subregions of a mega region?
2014-02-16 03:28 <Ken_S> Misterblue, on login, I landed on sim 5 or a 3x3 mega.  Viewer freaked flashing to white. I TPd to sim 1 and issue went away
2014-02-16 03:28 <Ken_S> I flew to sim 2 now and dont feel a border crossing anymore
2014-02-16 03:29 <Misterblue> k... let me set that up
2014-02-16 03:29 <Ken_S> I am in sim 3 of the mega now
2014-02-16 03:30 <Ken_S> crossing into it was rough and there is no terrain showing.
2014-02-16 03:30 <Arielle_> 3x3 is square
2014-02-16 03:30 <Ken_S> Should be a bump island
2014-02-16 03:30 <Misterblue> there is a lot of funky code for neighbors which I think is related to not making flashing between regions (not disconnecting from neighbors that are in your view distance)
2014-02-16 03:30 <Arielle_> thought that it was a no no
2014-02-16 03:30 <Ken_S> I understood square or rectangle, but nothing else
2014-02-16 03:31 <Arielle_> mega-region combinations must be rectangular (notsquare but rectangular)
2014-02-16 03:31 <Arielle_> that was a quote
2014-02-16 03:31 <Ken_S> The terrain is there, just cannot see it in 3rd sim of a 3x3
2014-02-16 03:31 <Misterblue> varregions must be square
2014-02-16 03:32 <Misterblue> mega-regions must be rectangular
2014-02-16 03:32 <Ken_S> Misterblue, it is OK for a mega to be square isnt it?
2014-02-16 03:32 <Misterblue> 
ACTION references rectalinear math :)

2014-02-16 03:32 <Misterblue> yes, square is a special case of rectangular and and OK
2014-02-16 03:33 <Ken_S> Thats what I thought
2014-02-16 03:34 <Ken_S> Its the entire top row of the 3x3 mega that has problems.
2014-02-16 03:34 <Ken_S> No terrain showing and laggy
2014-02-16 03:35 <Ken_S> Fly back into the bottom 2 rows of the 3x3 and everything is fine no lag
2014-02-16 03:35 <Ken_S> and all terrain shows in bottom 2 rows
2014-02-16 03:36 <Arielle_> what happens if you doubleclick tp?
2014-02-16 03:36 <Ken_S> And can no longer TP anywhere. Have to relog
2014-02-16 03:36 <Ken_S> Ill try that
2014-02-16 03:36 <Arielle_> if that doesnt work ttry  tp home
2014-02-16 03:37 <Ken_S> Viewer crash... AV invisible only hair showing cant move now
2014-02-16 03:37 <Arielle_> tp home worked for me after i got stuck
2014-02-16 03:37 <Ken_S> Im in the 2nd minute of tp home now. Doesnt look good
2014-02-16 03:38 <Misterblue> no... 2min is more than right
2014-02-16 03:38 <Ken_S> Cant close viewer either
2014-02-16 03:39 <Arielle_> then when it fails, try again and you will be there in a second
2014-02-16 03:39 <Ken_S> Its froze on to progress screen but showing 90fps lol
2014-02-16 03:39 <Ken_S> Back where I started, but viewer is frozen
2014-02-16 03:39 <Misterblue> when the viewer gets an exception, it is really hard to get out of
2014-02-16 03:40 <Ken_S> Now it crashed and closed
2014-02-16 03:41 <Ken_S> Loging into a normal sim now, not mega
2014-02-16 03:42 <Ken_S> Border crossing between non-mega and non-var sims seems ok now
2014-02-16 03:43 <Misterblue> have you noticed flying velocity going to zero on region crossing?
2014-02-16 03:44 <Ken_S> nOT YET
2014-02-16 03:44 <Ken_S> opps
2014-02-16 03:44 <Arielle_> yes
2014-02-16 03:44 <Ken_S> OK I TPd to sim 1 of the 3x3 mega and now I see all 9 sim terrain.
2014-02-16 03:44 <Misterblue> it remembers 'flying' but not the flying velocity
2014-02-16 03:45 <Misterblue> I'm hoping Melanie_T's updates fix that
2014-02-16 03:45 <Ken_S> The top row of the 3x3 is OK now. No lag, terrain is there.
2014-02-16 03:45 <Arielle_> i added 4 more region for rectaangular mega but still having issues  with double click tp
2014-02-16 03:46 <Ken_S> The only difference is that I logged in the first time to the 5th sim of the 3x3 rather than sim 1
2014-02-16 03:47 <Ken_S> Arielle, its OK if megas are square so square or rectangular is ok.
2014-02-16 03:47 <Arielle_> well thought i would try it in any case
2014-02-16 03:48 <Arielle_> but made no diff other then now i cant tp home either
2014-02-16 03:48 <Ken_S> My problem definately happened when loging into the grid directly into the middle sim of the mega.
2014-02-16 03:48 <Arielle_> after i was thrown to 0,0,22
2014-02-16 03:49 <Ken_S> TP using map works but slow. Double click TP on land works ok.
2014-02-16 03:49 <Ken_S> TP home worked ok too.
2014-02-16 03:50 <Ken_S> brb in about 15 minutes
2014-02-16 03:50 <Arielle_> is the doubleclick tp include crossing a boundary?
2014-02-16 03:50 <Misterblue> my graphics card doesn't seem to be happy running multiple 3d viewer.. can't be in SL and OpenSim at the same time
2014-02-16 03:50 <Misterblue> could be a political statement 
2014-02-16 03:51 <Arielle_> i used to be able to run 4-5  viewers. Nowadays i feel it on 2
2014-02-16 03:52 <Misterblue> I'm not having problem using the map to TP around multiple regions that are combined as mega-regions
2014-02-16 03:52 <Misterblue> unless you can characterize a failure scenario, I think its working
2014-02-16 03:53 <Arielle_> i just noticed that too when a  attempted tp home from shortcut failed but from map worked great
2014-02-16 03:53 <osmantis> Bug #6980:04 VARREGION Cross boarder teleport and walk failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6980 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-16 03:53 <Arielle_> well i still see issues with double click tp
2014-02-16 03:54 <Misterblue> k... I'm working to the point where you think the issues are 'resolved' :)
2014-02-16 03:55 <osmantis> Bug #7009:04 [VarRegion] load oar --displacement: legacy trees and grass are misplaced 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7009 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-16 03:56 <Arielle_> you not seeing isue on doubleclick tp?
2014-02-16 03:56 <osmantis> Bug #6993:04 VAR: maptiles do not show up 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6993 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-16 03:57 <Misterblue> double click TP on a varregione sub-region or a mega-region sub-region?
2014-02-16 03:58 <Arielle_> mega
2014-02-16 03:58 <Misterblue> 
ACTION is presuming double-click on the map

2014-02-16 03:58 <frnic> why are you still using megas ?
2014-02-16 03:58 <Arielle_> you can jump here if you want to see  bound2.dyndns.org:8002:Avalon 1
2014-02-16 04:00 <Misterblue> in my standalone setup, I'm not seeing a problem
2014-02-16 04:00 <Misterblue> let me connect to OSGrid
2014-02-16 04:01 <Misterblue> 
ACTION hopes Nebadon is off enjoying RL and not paying attention :)

2014-02-16 04:01 <Arielle_> i forget why atm frnic  but i know it was a good reason :p
2014-02-16 04:02 <frnic> :)
2014-02-16 04:02 <Ken_S> Misterblue, I only see a problem if I try to TP from somewhere else into the mega to a sim other than sim 1.
2014-02-16 04:03 <frnic> I am working on getting a region up on a raspberry pi running debian jessie. Should be fun if we can run a varregion on a $40 server.
2014-02-16 04:04 <Ken_S> Misterblue, its hit and miss.  Now I am having some luck TPing into the mega to a sim other than sw sim
2014-02-16 04:06 <Ken_S> Var TP seems to be OK as far as I can tell. No issues yet.
2014-02-16 04:09 <Misterblue> as frnic suggested... maybe varregions are the solution and mega-regions are the past :)
2014-02-16 04:10 <frnic> seems to be that way to me.
2014-02-16 04:10 <Arielle_> heh wait till everyone upgrades to .8 to hear the howling 
2014-02-16 04:11 <Arielle_> lot of mega's out there
2014-02-16 04:12 <Misterblue> ya... I hear you Arielle_, one reason I'm keeping them working in both core and BulletSim
2014-02-16 04:12 <frnic> I expect if Misterblue could auto convert (or provide a console command to do it) a mega into a var, there would be less screaming.
2014-02-16 04:12 <Arielle_> might avoid some of it though if vars were made compatible with ode
2014-02-16 04:12 <Misterblue> humm... I'll look at ODE
2014-02-16 04:12 <Arielle_> as it will be that camp where most of the   noise will come from
2014-02-16 04:12 <frnic> ack - NO!!! we need to end-of-life ODE.
2014-02-16 04:13 <Arielle_> ok frnic you can fix my non working spped hud :)
2014-02-16 04:13 <Misterblue> there's a new Bullet that I need to encorporate :)
2014-02-16 04:13 <Arielle_> speed^
2014-02-16 04:13 <frnic> Arielle, I would be happy to take a look at it - give me a few days to get my regions back online.
2014-02-16 04:14 <Arielle_> easy for scriptrs to say toss Ode but for  those of us who canot, it will be a PITA
2014-02-16 04:14 <Misterblue> 
ACTION is hoping for the OpenCL version of Bullet to go mainstream... that's why I started with Bullet in the first place

2014-02-16 04:15 <Arielle_> i'm sure i will make due but still....
2014-02-16 04:15 <Misterblue> 
ACTION is listening to Janis Joplin's 'Summertime'

2014-02-16 04:15 <frnic> We really don't want to get stuck in the rut of supporting all legacy code.
2014-02-16 04:15 <Arielle_> yes but it is barely legacy at this point
2014-02-16 04:16 <frnic> true, not yet.
2014-02-16 04:16 <Arielle_> Vars are only in core for 2-3 weeks now
2014-02-16 04:16 <frnic> true, but bulletsim is been around alot longer, and ODE is not really being actively supported, At least I don't think so.
2014-02-16 04:17 <Arielle_> no it appears not but unfortunatly  there will be a need to accept both bullet and Vars at once
2014-02-16 04:18 <Arielle_> for anyone relying on menow
2014-02-16 04:18 <Arielle_> and grids like Kitely  have actually  improved on them
2014-02-16 04:18 <Arielle_> Megas that is
2014-02-16 04:19 <Arielle_> Menos=megas.... my spelling going down the tubes
2014-02-16 04:19 <frnic> yeah, I know it is harsh, but that to me is betting on a loosing horse. :(
2014-02-16 04:20 <frnic> they should have enjoyed megas, but not bet on them - they were always a hack, a nice hack,but a hack.
2014-02-16 04:20 <Misterblue> Kitely and Worldz have done a lot of tweaking to physics
2014-02-16 04:20 <dahlia> kitely has/
2014-02-16 04:20 <frnic> have the tweaks been submitted for core inclusion?
2014-02-16 04:21 <Arielle_> from a users pespective it doesnt matter as for 5 years it is what allowed a big region with no  border crossing
2014-02-16 04:21 <Misterblue> no... saddly not a lot of submission love from those systems
2014-02-16 04:21 <Arielle_> only coders are concerned with  whether it is a hack or good code :)
2014-02-16 04:21 <dahlia> kitely has been submitting a lot of patches lately but I think a lot of them are to support some marketplace thing they are working on
2014-02-16 04:21 <Misterblue> a 'problem' with the BSD license... proprietary systems can take and extend without having to commit back
2014-02-16 04:22 <frnic> then, I have little sympathy for them - they used OS, made improvements and didn't feed them back, and now core should have to maintain for them? I think nmpow.
2014-02-16 04:22 <frnic> nmpow -> not
2014-02-16 04:22 <Misterblue> Stallman would wag his finger and say "I told you so" :)
2014-02-16 04:22 <dahlia> the inworldz guy hasnt submitted any patches I know of but did suggest a fix to me once that I did myself and committed to core
2014-02-16 04:22 <frnic> Misterblue, I agree, and good for them, but we should not be held to support the features they extended if they do not feed them back to core.
2014-02-16 04:23 <Arielle_> ddidnt inworldz  give back the code for mesh resizing?
2014-02-16 04:23 <frnic> If they want to fork, then cool, more power to them.
2014-02-16 04:23 <dahlia> Arielle_: mesh resizing is viewer side
2014-02-16 04:23 <dahlia> and gpl
2014-02-16 04:23 <Misterblue> 
ACTION takes the high road and believes that OpenSimulator is creating the base on which a whole industry is being built

2014-02-16 04:23 <dahlia> so they really have no choice but to give it back
2014-02-16 04:24 <frnic> Misterblue, agree completely, but can OS Core support everything it has ever done becasue someone forked it 5 years ago and didn't feed the changes back?
2014-02-16 04:24 <Arielle_> thought i read something recently where they submitted something to core in relation to the mesh stuff from qarl
2014-02-16 04:25 <Misterblue> some things have trickled back.. bits and pieces
2014-02-16 04:25 <dahlia> Arielle_: if they did I'm not aware of it. (doesnt mean it didnt happen)
2014-02-16 04:25 <dahlia> but resizing is all viewer side
2014-02-16 04:25 <Misterblue> they have to create a differentiated base to create their business
2014-02-16 04:25 <Misterblue> Melanie did the same thing with avination
2014-02-16 04:26 <frnic> And Melanie feedback into core.
2014-02-16 04:26 <dahlia> some
2014-02-16 04:26 <dahlia> not all
2014-02-16 04:26 <frnic> agreed, some. 
2014-02-16 04:26 <Misterblue> Melanie_T has been a good patron of OpenSimulator
2014-02-16 04:26 <dahlia> I have stuff I havent fed back but I dont run a grid
2014-02-16 04:26 <Arielle_> http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2013/07/inworldz-brings-mesh-deformer-to-opensim/
2014-02-16 04:27 <Misterblue> 
ACTION knows she would have been around more if she didn't have RL things going on

2014-02-16 04:27 <frnic> I still contend that if someone wants to have a say on the direction of core, and they have a differentiated product based on core, then they either feed back their changes, or deal with changes they don't like in core.
2014-02-16 04:28 <dahlia> Arielle_: its all viewer code
2014-02-16 04:28 <Misterblue> frnic, true... yet forking and merging is a messy business
2014-02-16 04:28 <Arielle_> yes dahlia
2014-02-16 04:28 <dahlia> which is GPL
2014-02-16 04:28 <Arielle_> frnic there are also the users to consider
2014-02-16 04:28 <dahlia> so they *have* to share it
2014-02-16 04:28 <Misterblue> OS has even reached a point where justincc-master is far removed from 'master'
2014-02-16 04:29 <frnic> Misterblue, agree - but we can't be all things to all people - eventually core would grind to a halt.
2014-02-16 04:29 <Misterblue> agreed frnic
2014-02-16 04:30 <Arielle_> too many big changes too fast also brings it to a halt 
2014-02-16 04:30 <Arielle_> witness aurora
2014-02-16 04:30 <Misterblue> I do want OpenSimulator core to be closer to a 'distribution'
2014-02-16 04:30 <dahlia> well I either feed back my changes or deal with changes I dont like :)
2014-02-16 04:30 <frnic> There should be a reference distribution.
2014-02-16 04:30 <Misterblue> the main problem with Aurora is that is relied on one person
2014-02-16 04:30 <frnic> dahlia :)
2014-02-16 04:31 <dahlia> aurora is forked now
2014-02-16 04:31 <dahlia> something called whitecore
2014-02-16 04:31 <Misterblue> some people have been making a grand effort to keep it going, but without Rev (and he has RL happening) it kind of stalled
2014-02-16 04:31 <frnic> Isn't that whitestar?
2014-02-16 04:31 <dahlia> he's part of it
2014-02-16 04:31 <Arielle_> but a lot of users started leaving because of the  big changes coming almost daily
2014-02-16 04:31 <frnic> ah, koay
2014-02-16 04:32 <Misterblue> 
ACTION is trying to make 'good' changes to OpenSimulator but not become indespensible

2014-02-16 04:32 <dahlia> 'good' changes?
2014-02-16 04:32 <Misterblue> 
ACTION wants to find how to make virtual worlds interesting to a new group of people

2014-02-16 04:33 <Arielle_> well depends who you asked :)
2014-02-16 04:33 <Misterblue> well, everyone has their definition of 'good' :)
2014-02-16 04:33 <Arielle_> lost me when HG compatibility  got broke purposely
2014-02-16 04:33 <frnic> well, I think the best thing that could happen to OS would be for it to go beta - and then have separate release cycles for dev and beta. So, people can count on the beta release remaining stable for longer periods. 
2014-02-16 04:33 <Arielle_> lost quite a few others too at that point
2014-02-16 04:33 <dahlia> ya just curious what your definitation is Misterblue :)
2014-02-16 04:34 <dahlia> but I like what you do with physics and varregions :)
2014-02-16 04:34 <Misterblue> at the moment, I'm in the 'removing code and generalizing operations' phase :)
2014-02-16 04:35 <dahlia> well dont remove anything my private modules depend on :P
2014-02-16 04:35 <dahlia> 
ACTION grumbles....

2014-02-16 04:35 <Misterblue> I'm too old for that... downward compatibility is also a goal :)
2014-02-16 04:36 <Misterblue> I like to build on what exists... standing on the shoulders of giants rather  than starting a new foundation
2014-02-16 04:36 <dahlia> I think changing or deleting internal APIs that region modules use should probably be avoided
2014-02-16 04:36 <dahlia> other than that, meh
2014-02-16 04:38 <Misterblue> I kept Constants.RegionSize rather than chaning it to Constants.LegacyRegionSize... I think there's even a git commit showing when I changed my mind :)
2014-02-16 04:39 <Misterblue> dahlia, are you one of the many that created a browser based viewer?
2014-02-16 04:39 <frnic> wasn't there a browser based viewer done in Japan a few years back?
2014-02-16 04:40 <dahlia> Misterblue: I've played in that space before
2014-02-16 04:41 <dahlia> I did one in unity a few years back and sold it to Rezzable
2014-02-16 04:41 <dahlia> about the same time IBM did one
2014-02-16 04:41 <Misterblue> there was frnic
2014-02-16 04:42 <Misterblue> I have a pure browser version in my pocket and I have been thinking of optimizations to make it work in general
2014-02-16 04:43 <dahlia> webgl?
2014-02-16 04:43 <Misterblue> 
ACTION wishes he'd win the lottery so he could do this full time

2014-02-16 04:43 <frnic> +1 Misterblue
2014-02-16 04:44 <Misterblue> ya... but I think there is a lot of optimizations possible with better shaders
2014-02-16 04:44 <Misterblue> but I'm not a shader person
2014-02-16 04:44 <frnic> I donated to Justin, I would certainly donate to you, but it would not be enough to live on :(
2014-02-16 04:45 <Misterblue> what I want to do is add a module to OpenSimulator to talk a new protocol
2014-02-16 04:45 <dahlia> well Misterblue at least you have a job :)
2014-02-16 04:46 <Misterblue> that protocol would be optimized for minimal, social interactions but also support virtual world 'presence' type applications
2014-02-16 04:46 <Misterblue> if I win the lottery, I'd support many OpenSimulator developers :)
2014-02-16 04:47 <Misterblue> jobs is good, dahlia
2014-02-16 04:47 <Misterblue> my wife is very happy about being able to pay the mortgage :)
2014-02-16 04:48 <frnic> I gave up working and retired early - I think working is way over rated.
2014-02-16 04:48 <frnic> as a result, I don't have much, but we get by...
2014-02-16 04:49 <Misterblue> that's a good place, frnic
2014-02-16 05:11 <frnic> Misterblue - ping
2014-02-16 05:12 <frnic> I just cloned head and built it. Running mono 3.2.3 on Debian Linux, running on an ARM processor (raspberry pi) and when I start I get this: [ERROR] FATAL UNHANDLED EXCEPTION: System.DllNotFoundException: BulletSim
2014-02-16 05:12 <frnic> any suggestions?
2014-02-16 05:15 <frnic> Is there a problem running on 32bit systems?
2014-02-16 05:22 <frnic> Okay, so if I run the bulletxna version it works - so, I assume I need to build a dll that will run on the arm?
2014-02-16 05:32 <Misterblue> frnic: t
2014-02-16 05:32 <frnic> Hi :)
2014-02-16 05:32 <Misterblue> frnic: for sure there is not an ARM version of BulletSim in the distribution
2014-02-16 05:32 <Misterblue> you'd have to build from scratch
2014-02-16 05:33 <frnic> okay, I could give that a try. 
2014-02-16 05:33 <Misterblue> some instructions in the BulletSim README
2014-02-16 05:33 <frnic> It is running on the xna at the momnent.
2014-02-16 05:33 <frnic> is it C or C++?
2014-02-16 05:33 <Misterblue> I don't think there are many requirements
2014-02-16 05:33 <Misterblue> it's C++
2014-02-16 05:34 <frnic> okay, I will google it and see if anyone has built it for debian linux, that should work for me. meantime I will apt-get the C++ stuff.
2014-02-16 05:35 <frnic> I see openjpeg-dotnet.dll needs to be built for me to - :)
2014-02-16 05:39 <frnic> This is going to be fun - LitJson is not working either :)
2014-02-16 05:50 <frnic> Misterblue - I can not find a Bulletsim README file - suggestions?
2014-02-16 07:01 <osmantis> Bug #6993:04 VAR: maptiles do not show up 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6993 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-16 09:42 <osmantis> Bug #6091:04 When uploading .raw file (terrain) getting a error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6091 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-16 09:46 <osmantis> Bug #6985:04 [VarRegion] Incompatibility between VarRegion and MegaRegion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6985 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-16 10:44 <osmantis> Bug #7009:04 [VarRegion] load oar --displacement: legacy trees and grass are misplaced 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7009 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-16 10:53 <osmantis> Bug #6978:04 [VarRegion] Double-click teleport and VarRegion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6978 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-16 11:21 <osmantis> Bug #6979:04 [VarRegion] Terrain render in the MiniMap with FireStorm 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6979 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-16 16:14 <osmantis> Bug #6993:04 VAR: maptiles do not show up 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6993 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-16 16:43 <Thonneve> What would people recomend for referance to learn C#?
2014-02-16 16:52 <Thonneve> Melanie_T: Do you have any recomendation on a referance for learning C#?
2014-02-16 16:53 <Melanie_T> the only authoritative reference for .net is MSDN
2014-02-16 16:53 <Melanie_T> to learn new languages, I don't usually use books, i use the net
2014-02-16 17:07 <osmantis> Bug #7009:04 [VarRegion] load oar --displacement: legacy trees and grass are misplaced 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7009 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-02-16 17:09 <osmantis> Bug #6978:04 [VarRegion] Double-click teleport and VarRegion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6978 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-02-16 17:12 <Misterblue> frnic: the sources for the C++ side of BulletSim is in OpenSim's library repository (git://opensimulator.org/git/opensim-libs/trunk/unmanaged/BulletSim). There is a 'BUILD.TXT' file there.
2014-02-16 17:13 <frnic> Misterblue - thank you, I need to get a working OpenGL library first, it seems that is a bit flakey on ARM processors still. But, I think it will be fun all-in-all.
2014-02-16 17:15 <frnic> Misterblue - I don't seem to have permission to access that git repo - is there a URL that doesn't require permission?
2014-02-16 17:18 <Misterblue> guess you can't clone from just a portion of a larger tree or my cloning git knowledge is not sufficient
2014-02-16 17:18 <frnic> hmm, okay, I will keep that and figure it out - thanks.
2014-02-16 17:18 <Misterblue> the repository is at "git://opensimulator.org/git/opensim-libs"... you can clone that but you get a lot of other stuff
2014-02-16 17:18 <frnic> thats cool, HD is cheap.
2014-02-16 17:19 <Misterblue> BulletSim is in that repository in the directory "trunk/unmanaged/BulletSim"
2014-02-16 17:19 <frnic> cool, thanks, that is working.
2014-02-16 17:20 <frnic> don't suppose you have any suggestions on getting an opengl library for use in building bullet in Debian Jessie running on an ARM ?  :)
2014-02-16 17:25 <Arielle_> http://forums.osgrid.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4230
2014-02-16 17:31 <Arielle_> ever look at this tut frnic? http://www.s-config.com/opensimraspberry-pi-rasbi
2014-02-16 17:33 <frnic> Thank you Arielle - looks like you just saved me a lot of work. I will run through that and see how it works. Seems to me that if it can run a single region with a reasonable load of prims (it is pretty slow :( ) that $50 is not a ]bad one time expense to own a server.
2014-02-16 17:34 <Arielle_> or could do like i did and buy a cheap dual core 2 gb laptop from the classifieds :)
2014-02-16 17:34 <Arielle_> pait $75 for  the  latest aquisition
2014-02-16 17:36 <Arielle_> but the Pi thing does sound like a challenge
2014-02-16 17:37 <frnic> I expect that is more than 3W :) but I bought the Pi to build a automated Yogurt maker and that is working, so I figured as long as it is just sitting there, might as well run a region on it. The real limitation I see is the max memory of 512MB.
2014-02-16 17:38 <Arielle_> my first mega used to run on a P3 512 MB machine. It did ok
2014-02-16 17:38 <Arielle_> cool on the automated yogurt maker :)
2014-02-16 17:38 <Arielle_> yes, hard to beat 3w 
2014-02-16 17:39 <frnic> Yup, the yogurt is awesome too. You can see the control panel I am working on (in process so non-functional too much) at nicholspi.net:8000/yogurt.html
2014-02-16 17:40 <frnic> If fact, if you have a second could you check and see if you can access it from outside?
2014-02-16 17:40 <Arielle_> i just did....temp of 168.35 degrees
2014-02-16 17:40 <frnic> :)
2014-02-16 17:41 <Arielle_> is it controllable from that page.....maybe i shouldnt have clicked Start
2014-02-16 17:41 <frnic> it warms up to 180 to pasteurize the milk and then holds it there for a while (30 minutes) to solfen the proteins, then lowers it to 110 to ferment the yogurt. 
2014-02-16 17:42 <frnic> Yes, you restarted it - lol - no problem, it is wamring up to the first step, so it just restarted and will continue warming.
2014-02-16 17:42 <Arielle_> only 6 hours, that seems fast
2014-02-16 17:43 <frnic> well, I am using a 90W crockpot - it takes a couple hours to get to 180 degrees, then after it is done there it takes a couple hours to cool down to 110. But, all it all it is not bad - total project cost is about $75 (the crock pot cost $10 at Walmart) and a relay to control the power is about $8. 
2014-02-16 17:44 <frnic> The time to ferment can be set - 6 hours is "sweet", 8 hours begins to get tart, 12 hours is very tart :)
2014-02-16 17:44 <Ken_S> Arielle, how are you doing with MisterBlue's last code fix?
2014-02-16 17:44 <Arielle_> nice frnic
2014-02-16 17:44 <frnic> thanks. Passes the time :)
2014-02-16 17:45 <Arielle_> was building  it  when i started looking at automated yogurt makers :)
2014-02-16 17:46 <frnic> It's a homemade homemade yogurt maker.
2014-02-16 17:47 <frnic> gotta run, back in a while - thanks again for the link Arielle, I appreciate it.
2014-02-16 17:47 <Arielle_> yw
2014-02-16 17:57 <Arielle_> generating that map image takes forever
2014-02-16 17:58 <Ken_S> Arielle_ How is it going with the latest changes?
2014-02-16 17:58 <Arielle_> waiting for the startup
2014-02-16 17:58 <Arielle_> almost 3 minutes now on 12:47:39 - [WORLD MAP]: Generating map image for Avalon 1
2014-02-16 17:59 <Ken_S> Best I can tell from my testing late last night all is well,
2014-02-16 17:59 <Ken_S> but sometimes if you login to a sim other than the 1st one TPs get wonky
2014-02-16 18:00 <Ken_S> How many 256 regions in Avalon 1?
2014-02-16 18:00 <Arielle_> i am old school and never tp to anything but the sw region. From there jump elsewhere
2014-02-16 18:00 <Arielle_> 16...or 20
2014-02-16 18:00 <Ken_S> So 4x4 or 4x5?
2014-02-16 18:00 <Arielle_> used the 20 one
2014-02-16 18:00 <Arielle_> 4x5
2014-02-16 18:01 <Ken_S> I tried a 8x8 and took a very long time, and got errors until I increased MaxAllowedPacket in MySQL
2014-02-16 18:01 <Arielle_> to?
2014-02-16 18:01 <Ken_S> But was way too slow loading in the viewer to be usable
2014-02-16 18:02 <Ken_S> I had to bump it up to about 1024MB
2014-02-16 18:02 <Arielle_> oh....think miine is at 16 M
2014-02-16 18:02 <Ken_S> 16M isnt going to work
2014-02-16 18:03 <Ken_S> 4x4 or 5x5 should be usable with the max packet set ok.
2014-02-16 18:04 <Ken_S> I have a 5x5 with tons or prims on it and after it finally loads it works good
2014-02-16 18:05 <Ken_S> This is a var, the same oars on a mega load about 5 times faster at least.
2014-02-16 18:05 <Ken_S> But after both are fully loaded, the mega has more lag than the var
2014-02-16 18:05 <Arielle_> one thing i notice is that the first run of the last few updates, some of the prims are partially phantom
2014-02-16 18:06 <Arielle_> takes a restart to fix them
2014-02-16 18:07 <phoenixx61> hey there :)
2014-02-16 18:07 <phoenixx61> i should need help from a dev
2014-02-16 18:07 <phoenixx61> regarding reading of an IAR file
2014-02-16 18:08 <Arielle_> still seeing issues with doubleclick Tp
2014-02-16 18:08 <phoenixx61> hey arielle
2014-02-16 18:08 <Arielle_> [10:00]  Cannot cross into non-existant region
2014-02-16 18:09 <Arielle_> Hi Phoenixx
2014-02-16 18:09 <phoenixx61> any dev online here? 
2014-02-16 18:10 <Arielle_> a few but not the iar   dev
2014-02-16 18:10 <phoenixx61> sh... 
2014-02-16 18:10 <phoenixx61> lol 
2014-02-16 18:10 <phoenixx61> cant read iar from a formerly selfmade backup ... 
2014-02-16 18:11 <phoenixx61> so all objects in there are gone now .. 
2014-02-16 18:11 <phoenixx61> :( 
2014-02-16 18:11 <Arielle_> how old was the iar?
2014-02-16 18:11 <phoenixx61> 6 months 
2014-02-16 18:11 <phoenixx61> about
2014-02-16 18:12 <phoenixx61> after reading and sorting opensim console says that for object x there is no asset in the database
2014-02-16 18:12 <Arielle_> best thing to try then is set up a region from 6 months ago and try on it....thats from a non dev
2014-02-16 18:12 <phoenixx61> ok ... 
2014-02-16 18:12 <phoenixx61> i will give it a try ... and then? lol. 
2014-02-16 18:13 <phoenixx61> save it in xml? 
2014-02-16 18:13 <Arielle_> is this on your own grid?
2014-02-16 18:13 <Arielle_> or a public one like osgrid?
2014-02-16 18:13 <phoenixx61> yep - its experimental for showing to some companies 
2014-02-16 18:13 <phoenixx61> my own
2014-02-16 18:13 <Arielle_> you still have the database from 6 months ago?
2014-02-16 18:13 <phoenixx61> no 
2014-02-16 18:14 <Arielle_> ouch
2014-02-16 18:14 <phoenixx61> computer crashed and was rebuild 
2014-02-16 18:14 <phoenixx61> all i have is the iar 
2014-02-16 18:14 <Arielle_> any oar files saved?
2014-02-16 18:14 <phoenixx61> no
2014-02-16 18:15 <Arielle_> no assets on any objects or  just some?
2014-02-16 18:15 <phoenixx61> on any 
2014-02-16 18:15 <phoenixx61> afaik
2014-02-16 18:16 <Arielle_> did you save the iar with the commannd parameter NOASSETS?
2014-02-16 18:17 <phoenixx61> no 
2014-02-16 18:17 <phoenixx61> just save iar --home name name path password
2014-02-16 18:18 <Arielle_> well should be in there then so  i would try a region from around the time of the one you saved the iar through
2014-02-16 18:18 <Arielle_> in case there were any changes 
2014-02-16 18:18 <phoenixx61> ok...
2014-02-16 18:18 <Arielle_> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Inventory_Archives
2014-02-16 18:20 <phoenixx61> ty for help
2014-02-16 18:20 <phoenixx61> cu .. byeee 
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2014-02-16 18:20 <Arielle_> yw and if still issues then the  guy you want to talk to is justincc 
2014-02-16 18:22 <RiRa> ping misterblue
2014-02-16 18:46 <Arielle_> ok Ken_S i checked  out the sim on the new master with noth bullet and ode. Bullet seems good in all respects, flying, walking, teleporting whereas Ode still has the Doubleclick tp issue and everything but the SW region has a bit of a mushy feel when flying
2014-02-16 18:47 <Arielle_> On Ode  the viewer tends to either freeze or crash  with the doubleclick tp
2014-02-16 18:47 <Arielle_> as well as throwing the avatar to the  edge of the sim
2014-02-16 18:55 <osmantis> Bug #6985:04 [VarRegion] Incompatibility between VarRegion and MegaRegion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6985 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-16 19:17 <osmantis> Bug #6980:04 VARREGION Cross boarder teleport and walk failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6980 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-16 20:08 <Thonneve> Is there any code documentation for opensim?
2014-02-16 20:12 <RiRa> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Main_Page
2014-02-16 20:14 <KeyGruin> Live music at Osgrid's Event Plaza with Vanish Sands singing ballads, happening now!
2014-02-16 20:14 <Arielle_> where is the limo?
2014-02-16 20:14 <Thonneve> RiRa: Will that help me learn where stuff is in opensim in order to help contribute once I learn C#?
2014-02-16 20:16 <RiRa> technical yes... i think you want soemthing like this http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Contributions_Policy
2014-02-16 20:18 <Arielle_> KeyGruin answer your IM's :)
2014-02-16 20:18 <KeyGruin> waiting for ya Arielle_ :)
2014-02-16 20:18 <Arielle_> not seeing a tp invite 
2014-02-16 20:18 <KeyGruin> hmm I sent it
2014-02-16 20:19 <KeyGruin> well try Event Plaza from the map
2014-02-16 22:24 <osmantis> Bug #6985:04 [VarRegion] Incompatibility between VarRegion and MegaRegion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6985 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-16 22:45 <osmantis> Bug #6985:04 [VarRegion] Incompatibility between VarRegion and MegaRegion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6985 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-16 23:05 <Arielle_> whats ginger honey?
2014-02-16 23:06 <Arielle_> like honey with ginger through it?
2014-02-16 23:06 <Arielle_> oops :)
2014-02-16 23:21 <Ken_S> Arielle_ are you still around?
2014-02-16 23:25 <Ken_S> Im not sure how or when it happened but the mega I switched back to ODE had teleports blocked and terrain editing allowed in About Land
2014-02-16 23:26 <Ken_S> I am having to fly e=to every sim in the mega and change it because I cannot TP out of the SW one.
2014-02-16 23:26 <Ken_S> After changing everything, I'll restest the mega TP problem.
2014-02-16 23:26 <Arielle_> mine are ok that way
2014-02-16 23:28 <Thonneve> How is var region support these days?
2014-02-16 23:29 <Ken_S> Thommeve , other than slow loading terrain and slow prim loading, they are doing great.  Misterblue is working on the slow loading issue now.
2014-02-16 23:29 <Ken_S> *Thonneve
2014-02-16 23:30 <Misterblue> I'm making it so it only loads the terrain within your view distance
2014-02-16 23:31 <Thonneve> Oh so most of the other bugs are ironed out now?
2014-02-16 23:31 <Ken_S> Thonneve, vars do require the use of Bulletsim too.
2014-02-16 23:31 <Misterblue> hopefully there aren't problems in the viewer if not all terrain is initialized
2014-02-16 23:31 <Thonneve> Misterblue: I beleive aurorasim has something similar
2014-02-16 23:32 <Thonneve> Where terrain is loaded as needed
2014-02-16 23:36 <Ken_S> Thonneve, also motorboats and sailboats are not currently working with Bulletsim, but cars are working fine.
2014-02-16 23:43 <osmantis> Bug #6985:04 [VarRegion] Incompatibility between VarRegion and MegaRegion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6985 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-16 23:43 <Ken_S> Misterblue, I just added aa note to the mantis above detailing the latest tests.
2014-02-16 23:44 <Ken_S> There does appear to be a pattern as to where you land when the viewer doesnt crash.
2014-02-16 23:45 <Misterblue> Odd about the land permissions changing... that's in estate settings, I think
2014-02-16 23:46 <Misterblue> Ken_S: the TPing you're doing is by clicking on the map?
2014-02-16 23:46 <Ken_S> Yes, Im not too concerned about that since the symptoms trying to TP didnt change.
2014-02-16 23:46 <Ken_S> Yes, clicked the map
2014-02-16 23:46 <Misterblue> and all these regions joined in the mega-region are 256x256?
2014-02-16 23:47 <Thonneve> Ken_S: I don't plan on using much physics, at most an elevator
2014-02-16 23:47 <Ken_S> Its a standard mega using ODE
2014-02-16 23:48 <Ken_S> The only issue with this mega before Vars came along was teleporting from another region into it anywhere other than the sw sim.
2014-02-16 23:49 <Misterblue> k... I will do some testing with ODE and see how megas are different for it... I shouldn't have changed any of the handshake with the physics engine, but every developer has said similar :)
2014-02-16 23:49 <Ken_S> But after you got to the SW sim, you could TP anywhere in the mega with no issues.
2014-02-16 23:50 <Ken_S> Thanks for all the hard work.  If there is any other testing you need send a message here or in world to Ken Savage.
2014-02-16 23:50 <Misterblue> there are several different places that have to check for the region to mega mapping to get locations correct
2014-02-16 23:50 <Misterblue> the location computation for clicking on the map must not be taking mega-ness into account
2014-02-16 23:51 <Ken_S> The mapping seems 1 off in both the x and y directions right now in some way
2014-02-17 00:24 <Arielle_> u missed :)
2014-02-17 02:47 <frnic> Well, I am easily impressed I know, but I am building ODE (C++) , building OpenJpeg-dotnet, running my Yogurt maker all at the same time on my Raspberry Pi and it is still responsive - sitting at 94%cpu load and 496MB of my 51q2MB of ram. And it is very responsive to the console. :)
2014-02-17 02:47 <Melanie_T> ETA, 5 days :)
2014-02-17 02:47 <frnic> LOL! :)
2014-02-17 02:48 <Melanie_T> not to say the raspi is a bad system
2014-02-17 02:48 <frnic> Yeah, I built OpenSim earlier with mono 3.2.3 and it took a while - lol
2014-02-17 02:48 <Melanie_T> quite the opposite i own at least 6 of them
2014-02-17 02:48 <frnic> It is a little ARM.  not a powerhouse for sure. Will be interesting to play with a region on it.
2014-02-17 02:49 <Melanie_T> yeah. arm6hl code
2014-02-17 02:49 <frnic> I bought it to make yogurt - and decided to play with it while it sits there controlling the pot - lol.
2014-02-17 02:49 <Melanie_T> i use them as media centers mostly
2014-02-17 02:49 <Melanie_T> but one i have is for interfacing the house control systems to wlan
2014-02-17 02:49 <frnic> I hear XMBC is popular on them.
2014-02-17 02:49 <Melanie_T> and another one controls the air humidity syste
2014-02-17 02:50 <Melanie_T> m
2014-02-17 02:50 <frnic> I run an AppleTV now, I used to run XMBC on my PC, but like the Apple TV better.
2014-02-17 02:50 <frnic> I think my Yogurt maker is going to grow a connection to my incubator for hatching our chicken eggs.
2014-02-17 02:51 <Melanie_T> i have XBMC hooked up to CEC caable tv sets via hdmi
2014-02-17 02:51 <frnic> which OS do you run? I am running Debian Jessie.
2014-02-17 02:51 <Melanie_T> raspbian current
2014-02-17 02:51 <Melanie_T> also one is on pidora
2014-02-17 02:51 <Melanie_T> but i'm rather underwhelmed
2014-02-17 02:51 <frnic> Ah, less adventurous than me - gotta live on the leading edge - Jessie seems stable to me.
2014-02-17 02:53 <frnic> Okay, libopenjpeg.so finished building. Next to build bulletsim - which started all this building - gotta have my varregions - :)
2014-02-17 02:54 <Melanie_T> lol
2014-02-17 02:54 <frnic> Kids are so lucky today, to have toys like the RPi. I had to settle for a Sinclair Z80 :)
2014-02-17 02:55 <frnic> And I really wasn't a kid when it came out.
2014-02-17 02:59 <Melanie_T> well, i started on syatems like PET 2001, CBM 3001, intertec superbrain, Radio Shack TRS-80
2014-02-17 03:00 <frnic> yup, I moved up to those eventually :)
2014-02-17 03:00 <Melanie_T> the ZX81 postdates the pet2001
2014-02-17 03:00 <Melanie_T> the SB is even older
2014-02-17 03:00 <Melanie_T> i cut my teeth on mainframes
2014-02-17 03:00 <frnic> I went the Atari route - 400, 800 and then 1200. Also had a Kaypro 10.
2014-02-17 03:01 <frnic> I never worked on mainframes until MUCH later - then itr was just some cics stuff for a power company.
2014-02-17 03:01 <Melanie_T> i had a kaypro
2014-02-17 03:01 <Melanie_T> as well as an osborne, briefly
2014-02-17 03:01 <frnic> It was a nice little luggable :)
2014-02-17 03:01 <frnic> (kaypro)
2014-02-17 03:01 <Melanie_T> the osborne screen was just tootiny
2014-02-17 03:01 <Melanie_T> the kaypro was great
2014-02-17 03:02 <Melanie_T> dual floppy, cp/m
2014-02-17 03:02 <Melanie_T> and enough oomph to run zcpr3 and rcpm
2014-02-17 03:02 <Melanie_T> build a bbs on it :)
2014-02-17 03:03 <frnic> I started life on a mini computer called the Modular Computer Systems - we made systems for control companies - like Johnson Controls and eventually were bought by a German computer - AEG Telefunkin? or something like that?
2014-02-17 03:03 <frnic> Yeah, ODE is finished - now for Bulletsim.
2014-02-17 03:05 <Melanie_T> i started in 75, hacking the local university mainframe
2014-02-17 03:05 <Melanie_T> i was 12 then
2014-02-17 03:05 <frnic> :)
2014-02-17 03:05 <Melanie_T> i used to sneak into the punch room and take control cards off the stacks
2014-02-17 03:05 <Melanie_T> i can read EBCDIC
2014-02-17 03:06 <Melanie_T> so, no problem reading usernames and passwords off them
2014-02-17 03:06 <frnic> I started in '73 with ModComp - after a brief tour in the Marines. Ugh, don't mention EBCIDIC
2014-02-17 03:06 <Melanie_T> most ppl never bothered to use dofferent pw for batch and interactive
2014-02-17 03:06 <Melanie_T> so i was always able to hijack an interactive session with those creds
2014-02-17 03:06 <frnic> Used to write diagnostics to play tunes on the storage modules by vibrating the heads.
2014-02-17 03:07 <frnic> You were naughty back then :)
2014-02-17 03:07 <Melanie_T> yup
2014-02-17 03:07 <Melanie_T> so sometimes i won, sometimes te bofh did
2014-02-17 03:07 <Melanie_T> most;y, i won
2014-02-17 03:07 <Plugh> I used to read EBCDIC
2014-02-17 03:08 <frnic> We "thumbed" diagnostics into the mini's front panel in binary - I don't miss that - :)
2014-02-17 03:08 <Melanie_T> lol
2014-02-17 03:08 <Melanie_T> toggle switch mania
2014-02-17 03:08 <frnic> yup!
2014-02-17 03:08 <Melanie_T> i remember those
2014-02-17 03:09 <frnic> pretty sad when you can look at a hex dump of memory and mentally decompile the fortran... 
2014-02-17 03:09 <Melanie_T> i can still count in binary on toggle switches
2014-02-17 03:09 <frnic> yup
2014-02-17 03:10 <Plugh> I remember in high school running paper tape through a machine that had core memory so it would remember how to run programs written in BASIC after the computer had been turned off over the weekend.
2014-02-17 03:10 <Melanie_T> i just remember paper tape, period
2014-02-17 03:10 <Melanie_T> lol
2014-02-17 03:10 <Melanie_T> so you'd turn on the tape punch and type "list"
2014-02-17 03:10 <Melanie_T> and to load, just run the tape
2014-02-17 03:10 <Plugh> mark sense cards and asr 33 teletype for output.
2014-02-17 03:11 <frnic> Yup, teletype papertape punching. Dump core to teh tape punch so you could reload it later.
2014-02-17 03:11 <Plugh> yup. I have a program on paper tape somewhere.
2014-02-17 03:11 <Melanie_T> you got one up on me then
2014-02-17 03:11 <Melanie_T> the earliest i have is cassette tape
2014-02-17 03:11 <Plugh> I also kept a control drum from an IBM keypunch machine.
2014-02-17 03:11 <Melanie_T> argh
2014-02-17 03:12 <Plugh> Don't remember how I acquired it back in the day. I think someone left it in a machine.
2014-02-17 03:12 <Melanie_T> vade retro, satanas!
2014-02-17 03:12 <Melanie_T> drum memory!
2014-02-17 03:12 <Plugh> its not memory. Just a cylinder that you would wrap with a punch card and it would control the keypunch machine such as skipping to specific columns as you typed.
2014-02-17 03:13 <Melanie_T> k
2014-02-17 03:13 <Plugh> I used to be able to type faster on a keypunch machine than on a typewriter.
2014-02-17 03:13 <Melanie_T> ibm keypunch, ibm type head, what's the diff?
2014-02-17 03:13 <Melanie_T> they felt pretty much the same
2014-02-17 03:13 <Plugh> https://www.google.ca/search?q=ibm+keypunch+machine+control+drum&tbm=isch&imgil=V1uhBJPpfbcZAM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcRfB4O4OidpYwqRzSlfF2Dsrqhzk4c4hW86Cr0q5YldMGA7TnzP%253B677%253B536%253BmwIDKgxJb9_6vM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fvintchip.com%25252FMAINFRAME%25252FHELP%25252Fhelp.html&source=iu&usg=__tSh8ArSBCAcb6sbG3Vm5TgXj5BA%3D&sa=X&ei=Wn4B
2014-02-17 03:13 <Melanie_T> of course, if you mean mech. typewriters, yes
2014-02-17 03:13 <Plugh> ack. DIdn't mean to paste that.
2014-02-17 03:14 <Plugh> http://vintchip.com/MAINFRAME/HELP/IBM026/IBMDRUM.JPG
2014-02-17 03:14 <Plugh> That is a keypunch control drum
2014-02-17 03:15 <Melanie_T> well, i would assume you're slightly older then i am :)
2014-02-17 03:16 <frnic> 64
2014-02-17 03:16 <Melanie_T> i'm turning 50 this year
2014-02-17 03:16 <frnic> congrats - you are half way there :)
2014-02-17 03:16 <Melanie_T> :P
2014-02-17 03:16 <Melanie_T> i had an early start though
2014-02-17 03:16 <frnic> I just want to hang in long enough to upload.
2014-02-17 03:17 <frnic> I just hope to god the brain simulation is not running on windows.
2014-02-17 03:23 <Plugh> :)
2014-02-17 04:20 <zadarkAFK> WARNING; conversations here can leave one feeling hungry and old.
2014-02-17 04:24 <frnic> Melanie_T - is this from the OpenMetaverse library and do I need to build a copy of that for the ARM processor? I get this when I try to login or TP to my region running on my RPi - 23:17:18 - [BASE HTTP SERVER]: HandleRequest() threw   at LitJson.JsonData.WriteJson (IJsonWrapper obj, LitJson.JsonWriter writer) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
2014-02-17 04:24 <frnic>   at LitJson.JsonData.ToJson () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
2014-02-17 04:28 <frnic> hmmm, libopenmetaverse appears to be .cs - so I would assume it is good to go, but I am giving it a shot rebuilding it anyway. 
2014-02-17 04:45 <dahlia> frnic: libomv has litjson internally, I think it's in OpenMetaverse.StructuredData.dll
2014-02-17 04:45 <frnic> dahlia, is that mono or c/c++ ?
2014-02-17 04:45 <dahlia> c#
2014-02-17 04:46 <frnic> hmm, then it should not need to be recompiled, wonder why it cares I am running on an ARM?
2014-02-17 04:46 <dahlia> it's probably throwing on bad data
2014-02-17 04:47 <dahlia> maybe some unanticipated endian thing? dunno
2014-02-17 04:47 <frnic> hmm, I just pulled head and the region is connected to OSGrid. So, something about the TP or login connection is bad... okay, I will keep kicking it.
2014-02-17 04:48 <frnic> thanks
2014-02-17 04:51 <frnic> I have rebuilt libomv - do I just copy all of the dll's and stuff into the opensim/bin?
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2014-02-17 05:07 <dahlia> frnic: theres 4 dlls I think, OpenMetaverse*.dll
2014-02-17 05:07 <dahlia> maybe 5
2014-02-17 05:09 <frnic> 9 if you count the tests
2014-02-17 05:09 <frnic> 8 otherwsie
2014-02-17 05:10 <dahlia> some are unmanaged
2014-02-17 05:11 <dahlia> but you probably only need the OpenMetaverse*.dll ones
2014-02-17 05:11 <dahlia> the ones that are included in opensim
2014-02-17 05:12 <dahlia> but I think it's highly unlikely that its your problem
2014-02-17 05:13 <frnic> yup, it didn't help - same error. So, time to start digging into the code - sigh. Interesting that someone else (http://www.s-config.com/opensimraspberry-pi-rasbian-hard-float-works/) built OS on his pi and it ran without problems - he is running standalone and I am running grid mode, but don't think that would matter.
2014-02-17 05:18 <frnic> I know what the problem is, my yogurt maker is running in the background and OS doesn't like yogurt! :)
2014-02-17 05:18 <frnic> off to bed, more fun tomorrow :)
2014-02-17 15:00 <osmantis> Bug #7012:04 Load Oar fails to load Oar file created by previous OS release 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7012 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-17 15:20 <osmantis> Bug #7012:04 Load Oar fails to load Oar file created by previous OS release 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7012 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-17 15:39 <frnic> Is this me, or did something change in head recently. A few days ago I pulled head and built it and got 135 or so warnings, this morning I pulled it again and built it and got 894 warnings - many of them look like this: /usr/lib/mono/4.0/Microsoft.Common.targets:  warning : Found a conflict between : 'System, Version=4.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089' and 'System,...
2014-02-17 15:39 <frnic> ...Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089'. Using 'System, Version=4.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089' reference.
2014-02-17 15:47 <frnic> this is ubuntu 13.? running mono 2.10.8.1
2014-02-17 15:57 <frnic> upgrading to mono 3.2.3 to see if that helps
2014-02-17 16:07 <frnic> make that 3.2.6
2014-02-17 16:26 <zadarkAFK> 894 warnings is sort of normal for Linux builds
2014-02-17 16:32 <Plugh> which version of OS are you building?
2014-02-17 17:05 <MealeaYing> GoodMorningAfternoonEveningAndOrNight!
2014-02-17 17:06 <Plugh> That about covers it. :)
2014-02-17 17:06 <MealeaYing> I figured it would
2014-02-17 17:06 <MealeaYing> 
ACTION grins

2014-02-17 17:09 <MealeaYing> Im looking at the opensim page about setting up variable regions and it doesn't seem to be working with 0.7.6.1....  is it actualy implimented in 0.7.6.1 or is it still being worked on?
2014-02-17 17:10 <Plugh> It is still being worked on. You need the varregion branch or a recent git master to try out varregions.
2014-02-17 17:10 <MealeaYing> so...... no binaries?
2014-02-17 17:11 <Plugh> Probably not but I build from source so I never need to look for binaries.
2014-02-17 17:12 <MealeaYing> I don't have the first idea how to do that any more.... its been a very long time, like back before git and stuff...
2014-02-17 17:13 <MealeaYing> hmmmm....
2014-02-17 17:13 <frnic> "normal" for OpenSim on my builds is about 135 warnings - 900 is excessive.
2014-02-17 17:14 <frnic> I am on Ubuntu 13.2 running mono 2.10.8 - I am about done updating to 3.2.6 to see what that does.
2014-02-17 17:14 <frnic> Does anyone remember the directory name for custom ini's in the bin dir? Is it config?
2014-02-17 17:15 <MealeaYing> Thanks Plugh, looks like I will have to learn something I dont want
2014-02-17 17:15 <MealeaYing> 
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2014-02-17 17:16 <frnic> Misterblue - ping - what is the dir you put the "allow_osfunctions.ini" into?
2014-02-17 17:16 <Plugh> frnic: a little under 700 sounds about right for 076PF. I don't know about git master. 
2014-02-17 17:17 <Plugh> I just built 076PF but I didn't get a summary of the warning count this time.
2014-02-17 17:30 <MealeaYing> I guess my question now is when roughly will it be available, its on the main page now as a feature, but Im sort of an end user at this point , mostly I make stuff, and not a programmer at all. I guess the question is actualy should I go on making MegaRegions or wait?
2014-02-17 17:32 <Dev_Random> frnic: yes, it's "config"
2014-02-17 17:32 <frnic> thanks
2014-02-17 17:36 <frnic> same warning count with 3.2.6 so I guess it is just normal for now.
2014-02-17 17:40 <frnic> Plugh, isn't Varregion in the OSGrid build now? It is dated 1-24-2014. If so, MealeaYng could use that for varregion.
2014-02-17 17:43 <MealeaYing> Its in OsGrid but Im running standalone because Im on a verizon cellular 4G network (im sevral miles off shore) and OsGrids stuff crashes rather rudely
2014-02-17 17:46 <frnic> MealeaYing, the OpenSim.exe etc should be the same, the difference is in your configuration files. I have never made a standalone, but I expect it is StandAloneCommon.ini etc. that are what makes it into a standalone region.
2014-02-17 17:51 <MealeaYing> I dod a lot of changes in the .ini files folowing instructions on the OsGrid page but with no luck, it took days and got nowhere..... I dont remember now if it was in StandAloneCommon.ini but I know that Opensim.INI and others were edited and it didnt help, in fact if anything it made the crashes worse
2014-02-17 17:52 <MealeaYing> like forcing me to reboot, one sort of learns after a few of those....
2014-02-17 17:52 <MealeaYing> DID not dod*
2014-02-17 17:52 <MealeaYing> sorry about all the typos... its been a long day already
2014-02-17 17:53 <frnic> MealingYing, I am sorry, I am not being clear. If you have an installation that is working now as a standalone, then you should use your configuration files. You download and install the OSGrid binary, and then copy your configuration files into it. You should NOT follow any OSGrid instructions unless you want to connect to OSGrid, it will not work as a standalone.
2014-02-17 17:54 <MealeaYing> OH!
2014-02-17 17:54 <MealeaYing> I see what you mean
2014-02-17 17:54 <MealeaYing> wait.... what?
2014-02-17 17:55 <MealeaYing> oh, I see, yes, the instriuctions were  specificly for using the OsGrid relese as a standalone, it simply didnt work
2014-02-17 17:55 <frnic> ah, okay.
2014-02-17 17:55 <MealeaYing> Diva does the same thing
2014-02-17 17:55 <frnic> sorry, like I said I have not made a standalone, so I should probably be quiet. :(
2014-02-17 17:56 <MealeaYing> its violent, but the Opensim binaries always work great 9with one recent eception being the last version knocking me off the internet when I connect my viewer to the server) this was an odd problem but the network came back instantly when I logged out
2014-02-17 17:57 <MealeaYing> You dont have to be quiet, you are helping me think and thinking is how its going to happen, I know this is the stuff we WILL be using but i cant use it yet and I want it VERY VERY badly
2014-02-17 17:57 <MealeaYing> so:
2014-02-17 17:58 <MealeaYing> Thankyou
2014-02-17 17:58 <MealeaYing> !!!
2014-02-17 17:58 <MealeaYing> GRIN!
2014-02-17 18:00 <MealeaYing> so.... if I have a working grid now, I just copy things like Opensim.INI, Regions.INI and StandAloneCommon.ini from the working version into the one from OsGrid and it SHOULD just work? this is very interesting!
2014-02-17 18:05 <frnic> The "danger" with that approach is that there could be changes to the master .ini files with a new release, in which case you may have to update your .ini files. But, most of the time there are not. It would be nice if OpenSim would complain with a warning message if we are running with an out of date .ini file.
2014-02-17 18:06 <frnic> So, yes, even if you were updating with any binary, you would normally keep your working .ini's and just add them to the updated binary.
2014-02-17 18:06 <MealeaYing> I was just thinking about that....
2014-02-17 18:06 <frnic> I have scripts to automatically update my grid(s) and that is basically what they do - build a new binary, install it, then copy in my .ini's to each region.
2014-02-17 18:08 <MealeaYing> 
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2014-02-17 18:08 <MealeaYing> That sounds so luxurious!
2014-02-17 18:09 <MealeaYing> Does it look to see if they are diferent  and then change the new ones or is it simply replacing the new with the old?
2014-02-17 18:09 <MealeaYing> the scriopt I mean
2014-02-17 18:09 <MealeaYing> script*
2014-02-17 18:25 <MealeaYing> well that didnt go well....
2014-02-17 18:25 <MealeaYing> 
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2014-02-17 18:26 <MealeaYing> Instant crash! Just add red spew and stir!
2014-02-17 18:28 <Arielle_> to change an osgrid distro to standalone simply  got to the Architecture at bottom of opensim.ini and switch it to standandalone from  gridhypergrid mode
2014-02-17 18:28 <Arielle_> then in config-include folder  setup the satandalonecommon.ini to reflect the addresses you want
2014-02-17 18:29 <Arielle_> the rest is configured to a regular standalone
2014-02-17 18:29 <MealeaYing> How is that done if it wont run?
2014-02-17 18:30 <Arielle_> when it doesnt run then look at the exception it spewed prior to crashing
2014-02-17 18:30 <Arielle_> look in opensim.log  
2014-02-17 18:30 <MealeaYing> ok
2014-02-17 18:31 <MealeaYing> this will take a bit..... hehe....
2014-02-17 18:31 <Arielle_> shouldnt
2014-02-17 18:31 <Arielle_> the exception will be about 10 lines up from the bottom
2014-02-17 18:32 <Arielle_> of the log file
2014-02-17 18:33 <MealeaYing> Im starting over..... the last one is gone
2014-02-17 18:36 <MealeaYing> theres more than one satandalonecommon.ini file? one in /bin and one in /config-include?
2014-02-17 18:36 <Arielle_> no
2014-02-17 18:36 <Arielle_> just in config-include
2014-02-17 18:37 <Arielle_> might be set as standalonecommon.ini.example
2014-02-17 18:37 <MealeaYing> um...  ok.... I havent got that in config-include, I have ... ahha, yes there is that
2014-02-17 18:37 <Arielle_> have to  remove the .example  from the end
2014-02-17 18:37 <MealeaYing> so.... I get rid of EXAMPLE and edit the addresses there?
2014-02-17 18:37 <Arielle_> yes
2014-02-17 18:37 <MealeaYing> \got it.. ok....
2014-02-17 18:38 <Arielle_> though assuming you are  not using it for hypergrid?
2014-02-17 18:39 <frnic> yes, start without HG to get it running , then add HG - when in doubt simplify
2014-02-17 18:39 <MealeaYing> No, I don't think I can use hypergrid either.... but I am not sure, and I fugure I will try that after i get this working.... if I do
2014-02-17 18:39 <Arielle_> in which case the default 127.0.0.1  should be fine if connecting from a local network
2014-02-17 18:40 <MealeaYing> for the adresses do I just uncoment the ones near the top? they seem right but its a large file
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2014-02-17 18:41 <Arielle_> which address  you meaning?
2014-02-17 18:41 <MealeaYing> "[13:28] <Arielle_> then in config-include folder  setup the satandalonecommon.ini to reflect the addresses you want"
2014-02-17 18:42 <MealeaYing> Im over my head here, this is the stuff I set up on the consile normaly right? by usualy just hitting enter?
2014-02-17 18:43 <Arielle_> addresses like HomeURI = "http://127.0.0.1:9000"
2014-02-17 18:43 <MealeaYing> ok so uncoment that?
2014-02-17 18:43 <Arielle_> it should already be uncommented
2014-02-17 18:44 <MealeaYing> its not.... 
2014-02-17 18:44 <Arielle_> if you were setting it up for HG thn you would put the hostname there
2014-02-17 18:45 <MealeaYing> Im not, its just going to be a standalone (thanks to verizon)\
2014-02-17 18:45 <Arielle_> can you pastebin the standalonecommon.ini you are looking at?
2014-02-17 18:45 <MealeaYing> ok hang on
2014-02-17 18:46 <MealeaYing> http://pastebin.com/upDsnLUa
2014-02-17 18:48 <Arielle_> ok  you are looking at the one under the Hypergrid section which in this case is not relevant
2014-02-17 18:48 <MealeaYing> the one what? file? or address?
2014-02-17 18:48 <Arielle_> MealeaYing can we cary this convo over to the opensim irc channel?
2014-02-17 18:49 <Arielle_> this is supposed to be more for devs chatting up new code
2014-02-17 18:49 <MealeaYing> I was JUST going to sugest that!
2014-02-17 18:49 <Arielle_> :)
2014-02-17 18:49 <MealeaYing> I know
2014-02-17 18:49 <MealeaYing> GRIN!
2014-02-17 18:50 <MealeaYing> 
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2014-02-17 18:57 <frnic> Misterblue, I assume you know, but just in case - on OSGrid I have a region (1) that is a varregion (1024^2) called Dreamersbay. It is showing up in the map search as 16 regions all called Dreamersbay
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2014-02-18 07:44 <dahlia> lkalif: ping
2014-02-18 07:45 <dahlia> were you telling me once that SL did not send EnableSimulator event queue message when teleporting?
2014-02-18 07:47 <lkalif> yes
2014-02-18 07:47 <lkalif> it will send them after you arrive to connect you to neighbours
2014-02-18 07:48 <dahlia> but not for the destination?
2014-02-18 07:48 <lkalif> dahlia: if you teleport to an island with no other regions arounds you should see no EnableSimulator
2014-02-18 07:48 <dahlia> hmmm... kk trying...
2014-02-18 07:49 <lkalif> I completely filter out EnableSimulator in Radegast when on SL
2014-02-18 07:49 <lkalif> and teleport around just fine
2014-02-18 07:50 <dahlia> ya I teleported to an isolated island and did not see any
2014-02-18 07:50 <dahlia> UDP either
2014-02-18 07:50 <lkalif> opensim did it wrong for the longest time
2014-02-18 07:51 <dahlia> you mean its correct now?
2014-02-18 07:51 <lkalif> diva fixed it before the convention
2014-02-18 07:51 <lkalif> unless Melanie_T broke it again with her teleport and crossing stuffs
2014-02-18 07:52 <dahlia> dunno, looking at SL now trying to understand how it and border crossing work
2014-02-18 07:53 <lkalif> TeleportFinish is the main EQ message sayimg to the viewer "ok, connect to sim described here"
2014-02-18 07:54 <dahlia> I see CompleteAgentMovement before that
2014-02-18 07:54 <lkalif> CompleteAgentMovement is sent once you're udp connected to the destination sim
2014-02-18 07:54 <dahlia> well I see it in gridproxy but they could have arrived out of order
2014-02-18 07:55 <dahlia> but I see UseCircuitCode before it also
2014-02-18 07:55 <lkalif> UseCircuitCode is "login to sim"
2014-02-18 07:55 <lkalif> UDP veersion
2014-02-18 07:56 <dahlia> ya
2014-02-18 07:56 <lkalif> CompleteAgentMovement is "this sim is now my main region"
2014-02-18 07:56 <lkalif> with crossing you should probably only see that
2014-02-18 07:58 <dahlia> so I how does it know which IP/port to send UseCircuitCode to?
2014-02-18 07:58 <lkalif> for teleport it's in TeleportFinish
2014-02-18 07:58 <dahlia> I dont see that in gridproxy log but I do have a lot of stuff filtered
2014-02-18 07:59 <lkalif> for crossing you're already connected to the sim
2014-02-18 07:59 <dahlia> no TeleportFinish came after UseCircuitCode
2014-02-18 08:00 <lkalif> it comes with TeleportFinish, prehaps grid proxy is messing up the order
2014-02-18 08:00 <dahlia> hmmm
2014-02-18 08:00 <dahlia> dunno why it would
2014-02-18 08:01 <lkalif> trust me, TeleportFiish tells you where to connect to
2014-02-18 08:01 <dahlia> ya I see it in the packet
2014-02-18 08:02 <dahlia> is gridproxy doing some "FireAndForget" packet processing or something?
2014-02-18 08:02 <lkalif> could be
2014-02-18 08:03 <lkalif> TeleportFinish comes over http poll EventQueue
2014-02-18 08:03 <lkalif> UseCircuitCode is outgoing UDP
2014-02-18 08:03 <dahlia> oh ok didnt see that
2014-02-18 08:04 <lkalif> dahlia: now I have a question for you
2014-02-18 08:04 <dahlia> k
2014-02-18 08:04 <lkalif> looking at the mesh import... linden viewer repositons all vertices in a mesh
2014-02-18 08:04 <lkalif> to fit into "identity cube"
2014-02-18 08:05 <dahlia> ya
2014-02-18 08:05 <lkalif> where it goes from -.5, -.5 to .5 .5
2014-02-18 08:05 <lkalif> and sends scale as separate param
2014-02-18 08:05 <dahlia> ya
2014-02-18 08:06 <lkalif> How would I go about doing something like that using libomv types
2014-02-18 08:06 <dahlia> well I thought it would scale everything to go from 0 to uint.MaxValue
2014-02-18 08:07 <dahlia> you would have to loop thru all verts and find min and max for x, y, and z 
2014-02-18 08:08 <dahlia> then compute a coefficient for each to scale them to -.5  to .5
2014-02-18 08:08 <dahlia> or just use the min and max when you do the conversion to uint
2014-02-18 08:09 <dahlia> because the encoding in the asset is a uint26
2014-02-18 08:09 <dahlia> uint16
2014-02-18 08:09 <dahlia> there's like a Utils.FloatToUint16 or something in there, in libomv I think
2014-02-18 08:09 <dahlia> not sure of name
2014-02-18 08:10 <dahlia> it takes a min and max value as parameters
2014-02-18 08:10 <dahlia> make sense?
2014-02-18 08:10 <lkalif> so posX = (minX / maxX) * origX - .5
2014-02-18 08:11 <dahlia> sounds ok
2014-02-18 08:11 <dahlia> I probably wouldnt divide on each one but... ;)
2014-02-18 08:12 <dahlia> but you need to pass min and max to the conversion anyway 
2014-02-18 08:12 <dahlia> so let it do it for you
2014-02-18 08:14 <dahlia> oh... (X - minX) / (maxX - minX) - 0.5
2014-02-18 08:15 <lkalif> ah yes
2014-02-18 08:16 <lkalif> dahlia: i wonder if SL viewer would handle if I didn't do that. would it let me have object origin that is not object center :P
2014-02-18 08:17 <dahlia> probably but you only get 16 bits of precision and it can scale to 64 meters and even larger in opensim so I really wouldnt deviate
2014-02-18 08:17 <antont> does it then have some other mechanism for defining rotation pivot? i usually make doors so that the 'center' is where it should rotate when opened / closed
2014-02-18 08:18 <dahlia> no
2014-02-18 08:18 <lkalif> antont: no way to do that in SL
2014-02-18 08:18 <antont> weird
2014-02-18 08:18 <dahlia> have to use math or link it to another prim as a pivot
2014-02-18 08:18 <antont> k
2014-02-18 08:19 <dahlia> or you could just stick one vertex somewhere on the other side and have a degenerate triangle
2014-02-18 08:19 <lkalif> dahlia: what I do is make mesh with two faces, so that I can make other side of the pivot invisibl
2014-02-18 08:19 <dahlia> or do that
2014-02-18 08:20 <antont> uh-oh
2014-02-18 08:20 <dahlia> not sure, the importer may filter out degenerate tris
2014-02-18 08:20 <lkalif> i wonder if blender saves origin somewhere in collada file
2014-02-18 08:21 <dahlia> origin is implicit from the vertex values
2014-02-18 08:21 <dahlia> IOW origin is 0,0,0
2014-02-18 08:21 <dahlia> SL moves it I believe
2014-02-18 08:22 <dahlia> SL also changes scaling
2014-02-18 08:22 <lkalif> collada file contains tranform matrix
2014-02-18 08:22 <dahlia> not sure what happens for weighted meshes because avatar mesh is > 1 meter
2014-02-18 08:23 <dahlia> does importer use it?
2014-02-18 08:23 <lkalif> vertex data is always packed inside identity cube with 0,0,0 center
2014-02-18 08:24 <dahlia> ya but a matrix can rotate also
2014-02-18 08:24 <lkalif> as far as I can tell that is used only if you have multple objects in the scene
2014-02-18 08:25 <lkalif> so you can position them correctly in respect to each other
2014-02-18 08:25 <dahlia> ah ok didnt know it was that smart
2014-02-18 08:25 <lkalif> yeah it works
2014-02-18 08:25 <dahlia> cool
2014-02-18 08:29 <lkalif> dahlia: I don't think it's possible to make mesh upload just with the asset
2014-02-18 08:30 <dahlia> I dont either, part of the upload process connects it to a prim
2014-02-18 08:30 <lkalif> upload sends whole "prim" data, not only mesh, so you have stuff like faces, colors, textures
2014-02-18 08:30 <dahlia> ya
2014-02-18 08:31 <dahlia> you can upload the asset but (at least in SL) you cant use it just as an asset
2014-02-18 08:31 <dahlia> it needs to have a prim which references it
2014-02-18 08:31 <dahlia> and you use that instead
2014-02-18 08:32 <dahlia> that relationship happens sim-side during upload
2014-02-18 08:32 <lkalif> SL doesn't support uploading mesh asset
2014-02-18 08:32 <lkalif> only objects with mesh
2014-02-18 08:32 <lkalif> they removed all that
2014-02-18 08:33 <dahlia> doesnt viewer upload the asset?
2014-02-18 08:33 <dahlia> and sim creates object?
2014-02-18 08:33 <dahlia> during upload?
2014-02-18 08:33 <lkalif> that's what i'm saying, mesh asset is just a part of the upload
2014-02-18 08:33 <dahlia> correct
2014-02-18 08:34 <dahlia> but the sim makes the object and ties the mesh asset to it
2014-02-18 08:34 <lkalif> you have to send object data, mesh asset, and optionally textures
2014-02-18 08:34 <lkalif> all in one upload
2014-02-18 08:34 <dahlia> ya thats what opensim uses I belive
2014-02-18 08:35 <lkalif> it has to, that's what viewer sends
2014-02-18 08:35 <dahlia> thats why I was saying the other day that the upload is more complex than other assets
2014-02-18 08:35 <lkalif> i think i have noticed one thing though: openim doesn't seem to create inventory item for texture
2014-02-18 08:35 <dahlia> oh dunno
2014-02-18 08:35 <dahlia> I usually texture after upload
2014-02-18 08:36 <lkalif> On SL say you upload a mesh and 3 textures. It will generate 1 object in the inventory and 3 texture in the inventory
2014-02-18 08:36 <lkalif> openim uploads texture assets and applies them to object but you don't get them in the inv it seems
2014-02-18 08:36 <dahlia> ya Ive never tried that and Teravus wrote the uploader. I wrote the physics and mesh decoding 
2014-02-18 08:37 <dahlia> Ive only looked at the uploading code and that was like 2 years ago
2014-02-18 08:37 <lkalif> ok, so what do you do when there is no phyics meh?
2014-02-18 08:37 <lkalif> mesh
2014-02-18 08:38 <dahlia> first for bullet, it looks for a set of hulls. If no hulls or not bulelt, it looks for a physics mesh, if no physics mesh it tries to use medium LOD, of no medium it tries high LOD
2014-02-18 08:39 <dahlia> if that fails. you get a box by default
2014-02-18 08:39 <dahlia> the box default is in other physics code tho
2014-02-18 08:39 <lkalif> i will just be sending the minimum required
2014-02-18 08:41 <dahlia> if mesh is >32k verts, best to have a lower res physics mesh. if mesh is simple you can just copy the main mesh and rename it physics
2014-02-18 08:41 <dahlia> >32k verts will fail
2014-02-18 08:41 <dahlia> errr... triangles, not verts
2014-02-18 08:41 <dahlia> I think you can have 64k tris but not sure if physics will work with it
2014-02-18 08:42 <dahlia> oops I mean 
2014-02-18 08:42 <dahlia> lol
2014-02-18 08:42 <dahlia> I think you can have 64k VERTS but not sure if physics will work with it
2014-02-18 08:42 <dahlia> LL spec limit is 64k verts
2014-02-18 08:43 <dahlia> and larger will fail because they are indexed by a ushort
2014-02-18 08:43 <lkalif> ushort for indices will do that
2014-02-18 08:44 <lkalif> SL will not accept upload if you don't have physics_convex part of the mesh asset
2014-02-18 08:44 <antont> btw we've been testing client-side physics in webtundra now
2014-02-18 08:44 <antont> with cars that collide to each other
2014-02-18 08:44 <dahlia> ya you need physics_convex but I think it only needs a bounding box
2014-02-18 08:44 <antont> to distribute the load away from the server .. for it to not be a bottleneck for large number of users
2014-02-18 08:45 <dahlia> antont: I used both client-side and server-side in my unity viewer
2014-02-18 08:45 <dahlia> was a PITA
2014-02-18 08:45 <lkalif> dahlia: yep, I will be hard coding this http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=P0Dz5a2U
2014-02-18 08:45 <antont> in this car app we use client-side only
2014-02-18 08:46 <antont> but each client only for that players own car
2014-02-18 08:46 <dahlia> client-side only a lot easier
2014-02-18 08:46 <antont> i was surprised to see how well it works when they bump into each other
2014-02-18 08:46 <dahlia> lol how do you crash?
2014-02-18 08:46 <antont> they both handle the crash for the own car
2014-02-18 08:46 <antont> we haven't tested with latency yet
2014-02-18 08:46 <dahlia> how about timing?
2014-02-18 08:46 <dahlia> ah
2014-02-18 08:46 <antont> but with 3-5 cars in local network seems perfect
2014-02-18 08:47 <dahlia> another problem... you cant collide with something that hasnt rezzed yet :P
2014-02-18 08:47 <antont> *nod*
2014-02-18 08:47 <dahlia> client side works well with static scenes that are downloaded as part of the app
2014-02-18 08:48 <antont> then again one upside is that the controls don't have net lag, unlike the common server side avatars
2014-02-18 08:48 <dahlia> ya
2014-02-18 08:48 <dahlia> well interwebz are getting faster
2014-02-18 08:48 <antont> random wireless networks with too many users not
2014-02-18 08:48 <dahlia> or cell phones
2014-02-18 08:49 <antont> that's included in the random wireless networks :)
2014-02-18 08:49 <dahlia> I get like 400ms ping when I play MMO with a cell connection
2014-02-18 08:49 <antont> quite many students and other not-so-rich folks in finland have only some cheap flat rate wireless 3g/4g data deal and use laptops at home via using the phone as a wlan hotspot
2014-02-18 08:49 <antont> right
2014-02-18 08:50 <antont> so nicer to have local controls then
2014-02-18 08:50 <antont> to view a city model etc
2014-02-18 08:50 <dahlia> I thought fiber was becoming the norm in europe?
2014-02-18 08:51 <antont> perhaps in the big cities in central europe, dunno
2014-02-18 08:52 <antont> here at home the 'last mile' is cable tv cable which seems to give 100MB reliably
2014-02-18 08:52 <antont> so i'm happy
2014-02-18 08:52 <dahlia> I keep hearing how everyone in europe has symmetrical gigabit fiber and how us poor US scum are stuck with cable modems
2014-02-18 08:52 <antont> a friend who lives closer to town has fiber
2014-02-18 08:52 <lkalif> i have symetrical fiber, not gigabit though
2014-02-18 08:52 <lkalif> 100 mbp
2014-02-18 08:53 <dahlia> maybe what i hear is all anti-comcast merger propaganda
2014-02-18 08:53 <lkalif> mbps
2014-02-18 08:53 <antont> dahlia: my understanding has been the opposite, that folks in us are used to ultra high speeds :)
2014-02-18 08:53 <dahlia> lol
2014-02-18 08:53 <lkalif> grass is always greener on the other side of the fence
2014-02-18 08:53 <antont> ah my 100 is ofc 100mB too
2014-02-18 08:53 <antont> err
2014-02-18 08:53 <antont> Mb :)
2014-02-18 08:54 <lkalif> what I like about fiber the most is latency
2014-02-18 08:54 <antont> i do think offices in NYC or San Francisco or something probably have fibers to good places etc
2014-02-18 08:54 <antont> but i guess the many rural areas in the large us is a different story
2014-02-18 08:54 <antont> and suburbs etc
2014-02-18 08:54 <antont> perhaps the same on both sides of the atlantic
2014-02-18 08:54 <lkalif> i can ping most of denmark in like 3-4ms
2014-02-18 08:54 <antont> wicked
2014-02-18 08:55 <lkalif> 16ms to ping my server in amsterdam
2014-02-18 08:55 <lkalif> most of europe under 30mss
2014-02-18 08:55 <dahlia> antont: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3314122399
2014-02-18 08:56 <dahlia> I live in a fairly large metropolitan area (San Diego)
2014-02-18 08:56 <lkalif> (I only pay for 60 Mbps though, 100 was too expenive)
2014-02-18 08:56 <antont> my ping in the home WLAN from this laptop to then box seems to be 1-8ms
2014-02-18 08:56 <antont> round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 1.205/24.691/1052.524/145.534 ms
2014-02-18 08:57 <antont> and then 15-20ms total to the isp
2014-02-18 08:57 <lkalif> 2 ms ping :P http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3314125534
2014-02-18 08:58 <antont> so a few meters here at home is same as for lkalif to denmark, and then over the cable to the backbone and probably helsinki is like your connection cross the atlantic :)
2014-02-18 08:58 <dahlia> lkalif: this is with me using a droplet in new york as a socks proxy http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3314120828
2014-02-18 08:59 <dahlia> I usually get 150-180is ms ping to europe
2014-02-18 08:59 <lkalif> dahlia: more latency but quite good. not losing any bandwith
2014-02-18 09:00 <dahlia> ya not many people still up watching netflix in the US now tho
2014-02-18 09:00 <dahlia> worse during other times
2014-02-18 09:00 <antont> 20ms ping, 92.3Mb down & 9.4 upload speed for me .. http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3314128695
2014-02-18 09:00 <antont> to a server here in the same city, it seemed to find one
2014-02-18 09:01 <dahlia> you have assymetrical?
2014-02-18 09:01 <lkalif> antont: 20ms is typical adsl 
2014-02-18 09:01 <antont> yes
2014-02-18 09:01 <antont> or no
2014-02-18 09:01 <lkalif> dahlia: yes I do
2014-02-18 09:01 <antont> i don't know what they call this cable tv thing
2014-02-18 09:01 <antont> the ones using phone lines they call dsls
2014-02-18 09:02 <lkalif> yeah
2014-02-18 09:02 <lkalif> I have no modem, router or anything
2014-02-18 09:03 <dahlia> the big noise in the US lately is the comcast merger... they will own both content and distribution and currently net neutrality was defeated in the courts so they will have no oblication to provide equal service to all providers
2014-02-18 09:03 <lkalif> there is jut an ethernet plug on the wall ;)
2014-02-18 09:03 <dahlia> and its not looking good for additional legislation in favor of net neutrality 
2014-02-18 09:03 <dahlia> because comcast has tons of lobbying $
2014-02-18 09:03 <antont> oh i didn't hear the net neutrality trial went that way :(
2014-02-18 09:04 <lkalif> dahlia: As alway, trouble with the US is that you have legalized coruption
2014-02-18 09:04 <lkalif> dahlia: you just call it lobbying
2014-02-18 09:04 <dahlia> ya
2014-02-18 09:05 <dahlia> well I havent heard it mentioned directly in the press yet, but most political campaigns these days conduct a lot of activitism over the interwebz
2014-02-18 09:06 <dahlia> and with one giant corporation owning and controlling a major portion of US interwebz and legally censoring it...
2014-02-18 09:06 <dahlia> 
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2014-02-18 09:06 <lkalif> tech companies should be afraid of this too
2014-02-18 09:06 <dahlia> they are
2014-02-18 09:07 <lkalif> which is probably why Google is experimenting with fiber
2014-02-18 09:07 <dahlia> ya but google... well...
2014-02-18 09:07 <lkalif> oh, I forgot the paranoid angle :P
2014-02-18 09:08 <dahlia> well you know what they say about absolute power ;P
2014-02-18 09:08 <lkalif> US government is far more dangerous
2014-02-18 09:08 <lkalif> Google has not motivation to screw with you
2014-02-18 09:08 <lkalif> Which is why I trust them
2014-02-18 09:08 <dahlia> and google is a public capitalist company which has to continue to grow and profit.. and if history hasnt taught you anything....
2014-02-18 09:09 <dahlia> google has no choice but to screw with you :P
2014-02-18 09:09 <lkalif> Google has no drones, they don't kindap people and keep them imprisoned for decades without trial...
2014-02-18 09:09 <lkalif> they don't drone wedding parties
2014-02-18 09:10 <dahlia> they dont need to
2014-02-18 09:10 <lkalif> exactly
2014-02-18 09:10 <lkalif> they have no reason to
2014-02-18 09:10 <dahlia> they just hand over the info to those who do
2014-02-18 09:10 <dahlia> in secret :P
2014-02-18 09:10 <lkalif> you're paranoid about wrong people
2014-02-18 09:11 <dahlia> Im not paranoid at all
2014-02-18 09:11 <lkalif> yes you are
2014-02-18 09:11 <dahlia> oh so all I am saying has absolutely no basis in fact?
2014-02-18 09:12 <lkalif> that Google would sell you identifable information to people who will potentially kidnap and kill you?
2014-02-18 09:12 <dahlia> I suppose if I mentioned "Edward Snowden" you would say it's a name I imagined
2014-02-18 09:12 <lkalif> yeah, absolutely insane
2014-02-18 09:12 <lkalif> what about Snowden?
2014-02-18 09:14 <dahlia> lkalif, they may provide information to those who do have killer drones and it will be illegal for them to divulge it... and there is no reason it would affect me at all that Im aware of
2014-02-18 09:14 <dahlia> but it might affect someone in another country
2014-02-18 09:14 <lkalif> It is illegal for them to divulge that information because they are compelled under the US law
2014-02-18 09:15 <lkalif> as anyone is there
2014-02-18 09:15 <dahlia> there?
2014-02-18 09:15 <lkalif> in the US. You cannot ignore the US law. 
2014-02-18 09:15 <lkalif> or here, ignore the danish
2014-02-18 09:16 <dahlia> I'm not compelled
2014-02-18 09:16 <lkalif> but that has nothing to do with company policies
2014-02-18 09:16 <lkalif> dahlia: sure you are. if you had information your government wanted you'd have to give it to them
2014-02-18 09:17 <lkalif> or sit in jail for "contempt of court" for ignoring a court order
2014-02-18 09:17 <dahlia> only if they subpoena it
2014-02-18 09:18 <lkalif> but as a matter of bussiness practice thinking that google will sell your identifable info (not related to complying with the law) is insane
2014-02-18 09:18 <lkalif> they provide opt-in service that depends on people trusting them
2014-02-18 09:18 <dahlia> anyway it's not what google tells the US that I care about
2014-02-18 09:18 <lkalif> dahlia: which is where you are paranoid
2014-02-18 09:18 <dahlia> it's their laxidasical attitude regarding privacy on android and chrome
2014-02-18 09:19 <dahlia> lkalif: you are just a troll
2014-02-18 09:19 <dahlia> if you feel so confident, put all your credit card info into your android :P
2014-02-18 09:19 <lkalif> so on Windows... if I chose to install an app, it can do waaaay more than an android app can
2014-02-18 09:19 <lkalif> it can upload all my documents to the author of the app
2014-02-18 09:20 <dahlia> sure it can
2014-02-18 09:20 <lkalif> and I wouldn't even know it
2014-02-18 09:20 <dahlia> and they do 
2014-02-18 09:20 <dahlia> and android does too
2014-02-18 09:20 <lkalif> so why single out google and android?
2014-02-18 09:20 <lkalif> all computer do it
2014-02-18 09:20 <lkalif> all OSes
2014-02-18 09:21 <dahlia> Im not, they are just one of several I dont care for
2014-02-18 09:21 <lkalif> it's your job to check the credibility of the author of the app
2014-02-18 09:21 <lkalif> I don't want google to do it
2014-02-18 09:22 <dahlia> the credibility of the author is diminished whenever I see "read all contact info" and "access all account info" in an app which has absolutely no need for it
2014-02-18 09:23 <dahlia> and I believe it's usually Europeans who are always filing big privacy suits against google
2014-02-18 09:23 <lkalif> Well switch to apple then. They do the same thing, just aren't a transparent as google to actually how you
2014-02-18 09:23 <dahlia> I dont care for apple either :P
2014-02-18 09:24 <lkalif> Perhaps not seeing that dialog would not inflame the paranoia as much :P
2014-02-18 09:24 <dahlia> I use a bare minimum android phone with only apps with sensible permission requests
2014-02-18 09:24 <dahlia> whatever... if all you can do is toss insults then you deserve what you get :P
2014-02-18 09:27 <lkalif> Well I thought your reaction to mention of Google fiber was slightly irrational. And I'm not known to hold back on my oppinions lol
2014-02-18 09:28 <dahlia> irrational? google has already been shown to put search results that favor their businesses at the top
2014-02-18 09:29 <dahlia> they are a for-profit entity... why should they behave as they arent?
2014-02-18 09:30 <lkalif> because their services are opt-in. if they lose the trust of customers they lose business
2014-02-18 09:30 <dahlia> lol
2014-02-18 09:30 <dahlia> "first one is free"
2014-02-18 09:32 <lkalif> If it came known that they sold personally identifiable information they would be done
2014-02-18 09:32 <dahlia> Oh I'm sure that most, if not all, google employees have excellent moral character. the problem is they are a public funded for-profit very large corporation and they have to act as such
2014-02-18 09:33 <lkalif> All they do is sell aggregate data to advertisers: "Hey show this to single men over 50 who live on the eastern seaboard"
2014-02-18 09:33 <dahlia> lkalif: do you think they need to sell a name? do you think your gmail ads are the same as mine? or youtube ads?
2014-02-18 09:33 <lkalif> see above
2014-02-18 09:34 <dahlia> lol
2014-02-18 09:34 <lkalif> adds are sold as aggregate demographics
2014-02-18 09:34 <dahlia> lol
2014-02-18 09:34 <dahlia> aggregate of 1 :P
2014-02-18 09:35 <lkalif> do you have any evidence that they sold aggregate of 1 data to anyone?
2014-02-18 09:35 <dahlia> not currently but future political advertising is expected to be done on an individual basis
2014-02-18 09:36 <dahlia> in the uS
2014-02-18 09:36 <dahlia> no idea about you peeps
2014-02-18 09:36 <lkalif> it's never individual. it might be "people who have visited this democarts page and google 'fox news is ebil'"
2014-02-18 09:37 <dahlia> ya combines with gps coordinates
2014-02-18 09:37 <dahlia> and neighborhood demographics
2014-02-18 09:37 <lkalif> agin back to business. advertisers don't want to target any one named individual. they want groups that might be interested in their product
2014-02-18 09:37 <dahlia> they need to sell info to political cnavassers
2014-02-18 09:38 <dahlia> and google may not sell it to the canvassers but they may sell info to them which helps
2014-02-18 09:38 <dahlia> or maybe not, they may just sell ads that ad companies use to track thru other systems
2014-02-18 09:40 <lkalif> My point is this: Google has no business reasons to discose my private identifiable informtion. And if that ever came out they did, their business would be done and over with
2014-02-18 09:40 <lkalif> It is good for their bottom line to keep people using their services
2014-02-18 09:41 <dahlia> again... my issue with google is not who they sell info to, its their apparent lack of concern to make sure their systems are first off used to help protect privacy
2014-02-18 09:41 <dahlia> instead they seem to make it easier for those who want to remove all privacy
2014-02-18 09:42 <lkalif> I'm much more worried about some NSA idiot saying "oh he has the same name as some terrorist we have on the list here. lets "rendition" him to some torture chamber"
2014-02-18 09:42 <lkalif> and this has actually happened several times
2014-02-18 09:43 <lkalif> kidnapping people from the streets of germany and sending them for torture
2014-02-18 09:43 <dahlia> ya I dont care for them either
2014-02-18 09:43 <dahlia> but (not that Im defending NSA) I think there's more governments out there that do the same
2014-02-18 09:43 <lkalif> compared to that, targeted ads really don't bother me that much
2014-02-18 09:44 <dahlia> targeted ads domt bother me that much either
2014-02-18 09:44 <lkalif> I'm confident that Google will not harm my person.
2014-02-18 09:45 <lkalif> For the rest, I care less
2014-02-18 09:45 <dahlia> all the crap on Plat Store bothers me, and google having a "hidden" screen that lets you disable it doesnt give me much confidence
2014-02-18 09:46 <dahlia> if google wants to improve my confidence, they would make it easily available and usable on all versions of android in use
2014-02-18 09:47 <lkalif> I have to go back to thinking how to implement this mesh upload thing :P
2014-02-18 09:48 <dahlia> have fun :)
2014-02-18 09:48 <lkalif> it's complicated :P
2014-02-18 09:49 <dahlia> yes I know
2014-02-18 09:49 <lkalif> do you happen to have a rigged mesh?
2014-02-18 09:49 <lkalif> in .blender or .dae?
2014-02-18 09:50 <dahlia> not offhand
2014-02-18 09:53 <antont> i do
2014-02-18 09:55 <antont> the animals there are rigged and animated :) https://github.com/realXtend/chesapeakebay/tree/master/objects .. the 'Mallard_female' 'Opossum' 'White_Tailed_Deer_Baby' and such
2014-02-18 09:55 <antont> with blends and ogre exports
2014-02-18 09:55 <antont> the guys have been using those to export to three's json & skel system now, three.js i mean
2014-02-18 09:56 <antont> we also used the deer when tested glTF, aka. 'Collada JSON' .. and that works by first exporting as Collada from Blender
2014-02-18 09:56 <antont> the anims played back fine
2014-02-18 09:59 <dahlia> oh I suspect lkalif needs meshes rigged to the SL skeleton
2014-02-18 09:59 <dahlia> I thought I heard makehuman can do that now but I havent tried it
2014-02-18 10:00 <antont> hm, but you can use arbitary skels in your own meshes in SL, no?
2014-02-18 10:00 <antont> for a snake or something
2014-02-18 10:00 <dahlia> antont: no
2014-02-18 10:00 <antont> what
2014-02-18 10:00 <antont> ok, well, .. ok
2014-02-18 10:00 <dahlia> ya pretty lame
2014-02-18 10:00 <antont> 
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2014-02-18 10:00 <dahlia> only animated meshes in SL are avatars
2014-02-18 10:00 <antont> and that does not happen often!
2014-02-18 10:01 <antont> ok fair enough
2014-02-18 10:01 <dahlia> haha
2014-02-18 10:01 <antont> SL is an avatar game, even to that extent :)
2014-02-18 10:01 <antont> we used really simple skel anims in our arcade shooter thing, ages ago
2014-02-18 10:02 <antont> 2-3 bone rigs
2014-02-18 10:02 <dahlia> I used to use the 3DS Max "Biped" a lot
2014-02-18 10:02 <antont> one of the spaceships was a kind of a mushroom thing
2014-02-18 10:02 <antont> which inflated before it bursted out a flame
2014-02-18 10:02 <antont> or something
2014-02-18 10:03 <antont> the skel was for hat
2014-02-18 10:03 <antont> that
2014-02-18 10:03 <antont> kind of an organic thing, not rotating machine parts or something like that
2014-02-18 10:03 <antont> ah yes i think we also deformed it when accelerating
2014-02-18 10:04 <dahlia> making arbitrary skeletons in blender and skinning them is pretty easy especially with the bone heat thing
2014-02-18 10:04 <antont> yep
2014-02-18 10:04 <antont> then is easy to control in game code / script
2014-02-18 10:04 <dahlia> that bone heat thing is fantastic
2014-02-18 10:05 <dahlia> usually works great on its own or with just a bit of touch up
2014-02-18 10:05 <antont> set an animation time pos based on whatever you wanna use to control your deform
2014-02-18 10:05 <antont> or move some of the points
2014-02-18 10:06 <dahlia> Ive made arbitrary animated meshes in blender and brought them into unity very easily, animations and all
2014-02-18 10:06 <antont> great to hear, i actually haven't rigged in ages so haven't even seen the latest tools
2014-02-18 10:06 <dahlia> me either
2014-02-18 10:06 <antont> i saw Skeletor earlier and then read the article about the heat thing
2014-02-18 10:06 <dahlia> I was getting pretty good at character modeling but then my eyes crapped out and its really difficult now
2014-02-18 10:06 <antont> have seemed great, excellent to hear that they really serve too
2014-02-18 10:07 <antont> oh
2014-02-18 10:08 <antont> i'm not very good at any modelling .. well can whip up simple basic things quickly
2014-02-18 10:08 <antont> technical modeling i guess, setting array modifiers to do stuff etc
2014-02-18 10:08 <antont> and mirror and some randomising script etc
2014-02-18 10:08 <dahlia> I really enjoyed character modeling, would lose myself into it for many hours at a time
2014-02-18 10:09 <antont> i'm sure it's beautiful
2014-02-18 10:09 <antont> basically like sculpting a human statue, which much also be wonderful when you know how to do it
2014-02-18 10:09 <dahlia> some was pretty good, most was meh
2014-02-18 10:09 <antont> i mean the fealing when enjoying doing it :)
2014-02-18 10:09 <antont> feeling, even
2014-02-18 10:09 <dahlia> ya
2014-02-18 10:09 <antont> but yah for me would just mostly suck and be painful now at least i think :p
2014-02-18 10:10 <dahlia> I did mostly box and polygon modeling, little bit of sculpting for touch up
2014-02-18 10:11 <dahlia> the hard part is figuring out stuff like "how do I attach this ear to this head and have it be all quads" lol
2014-02-18 10:11 <antont> yah Andy spent so many hours perfecting the ears for the main chars in Elephants Dream :)
2014-02-18 10:11 <dahlia> or "why do I get that ugly kink when the model bends over?"
2014-02-18 10:11 <antont> the topology exactly
2014-02-18 10:12 <dahlia> ears are hard
2014-02-18 10:12 <antont> the guys joked about how we then had ears that could use to speak, the topology was perfect like usually for the mouth area for speech anim :)
2014-02-18 10:13 <dahlia> mouths are easy compared to ears lol
2014-02-18 10:13 <antont> .. andy knew the blend files were gonna go public so he had to perfect it even though it wouldn't be even animated so not show in the film :p
2014-02-18 18:57 <osmantis> Bug #7013:04 Varregion with Bulletsim, wind appears to be blowing 200 mph 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7013 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-18 18:59 <osmantis> Bug #7013:04 Varregion with Bulletsim, wind appears to be blowing 200 mph 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7013 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-02-18 19:08 <RiRa> ping misterblue
2014-02-18 19:49 <nebadon_laptop> hmm my viewer crashed
2014-02-18 19:56 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: have you been playing with linden viewers lately
2014-02-18 19:56 <nebadon_laptop> no not at all infact
2014-02-18 19:57 <nebadon_laptop> I only use Singularity pretty much
2014-02-18 19:57 <nebadon_laptop> its probably been a year since I logged into SL
2014-02-18 19:58 <lkalif> I figured out how to get login grids to show up if one wants to play with it on opensim
2014-02-18 19:59 <nebadon_laptop> ah cool
2014-02-18 19:59 <lkalif> without hacking the binary
2014-02-18 20:00 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2014-02-18 20:00 <nebadon_laptop> how does that work?
2014-02-18 20:02 <lkalif> you make file calles grids.xml
2014-02-18 20:02 <lkalif> you put it in your %appdata%\SecondLife\user_settings folder
2014-02-18 20:02 <lkalif> (windows) 
2014-02-18 20:02 <nebadon_laptop> ah nice
2014-02-18 20:03 <nebadon_laptop> easy enough
2014-02-18 20:03 <lkalif> ~/.secondlife/user_settings on linux
2014-02-18 20:03 <lkalif> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=08k7JiKi
2014-02-18 20:03 <lkalif> this will add osgrid and grid proxy
2014-02-18 20:03 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2014-02-18 20:03 <lkalif> and it survives reinstalls
2014-02-18 20:07 <Wanderer_42> i am curious, how long it will last, till LL will prevent this, when enough people will use this possibility.
2014-02-18 20:07 <Wanderer_42> ;-)
2014-02-18 20:07 <lkalif> it will become irrelevant soon
2014-02-18 20:08 <lkalif> their viewer crashes hard on var regions
2014-02-18 20:08 <lkalif> their appearance will soon no longer works either
2014-02-18 20:09 <lkalif> they have removed bakig code. that waits for release
2014-02-18 20:17 <RiRa> yup
2014-02-18 20:51 <dahlia> linda kelly winter sim rendered with prims and voxels: http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/lkWinterPrims+Voxels.jpg
2014-02-18 20:52 <dahlia> just to let people know I'm not totally ignorant when I discuss some of the problems rendering voxels with opensim content 
2014-02-18 20:54 <antont> hm
2014-02-18 20:55 <antont> dahlia: that's pretty wicked!
2014-02-18 20:56 <dahlia> lol
2014-02-18 20:57 <dahlia> antont: there was a lot of discussion about adding voxels to opensim in the wright plaza meeting earlier today
2014-02-18 21:01 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: I got side tracked after arriving at the meeting so I'm reading what I can before the region restarted. What was the discussion about images of 1024x512?
2014-02-18 21:03 <dahlia> http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/epicCastleVoxels.jpg
2014-02-18 21:10 <RiRa> uhmm. not sure what to think or say :O
2014-02-18 21:14 <RiRa> It looks a bit like the needle art.
2014-02-18 21:15 <dahlia> it's not meant to look pretty :P
2014-02-18 21:15 <nebadon_laptop> hmm not sure Plugh, I dont recall that coming up
2014-02-18 21:16 <Plugh> It was right at the start of the meeting.
2014-02-18 21:16 <nebadon_laptop> let me look at log
2014-02-18 21:16 <nebadon_laptop> i dont recall that 
2014-02-18 21:16 <Plugh> Also mentioned in the same discussion was the SL SF con
2014-02-18 21:16 <nebadon_laptop> looks like Justin hasnt posted log yet
2014-02-18 21:16 <nebadon_laptop> I really have no idea
2014-02-18 21:16 <Plugh> and osgrid is going to have a display there??
2014-02-18 21:17 <Plugh> k
2014-02-18 21:17 <nebadon_laptop> oh maybe it was something with Lanis thing
2014-02-18 21:17 <nebadon_laptop> she is doing some kind of SciFi thing in SL
2014-02-18 21:17 <Plugh> yeah, something that Lani was talking about.
2014-02-18 21:17 <nebadon_laptop> and wanted to show off screenshots of peoples stuff in OpenSim
2014-02-18 21:17 <nebadon_laptop> not necesarilly osgrid but anyone really
2014-02-18 21:17 <nebadon_laptop> misterblue ping
2014-02-18 21:21 <lkalif> someone ought to write gui opensim config generator ;)
2014-02-18 21:23 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: ok, ty
2014-02-18 21:25 <nebadon_laptop> something odd with varregion console stats
2014-02-18 21:25 <nebadon_laptop> its showing x2 the # of actual prims
2014-02-18 22:01 <nebadon_laptop> teleporting around varregions sucks
2014-02-18 22:01 <nebadon_laptop> i basically have to relog every teleport
2014-02-18 22:03 <zadark> Not seeing any major issues, maybe you have a configuration problem
2014-02-18 22:06 <nebadon_laptop> well I have a 3x4 configuration of 768x768 regions
2014-02-18 22:06 <nebadon_laptop> 12 varregion neighbors
2014-02-18 22:07 <nebadon_laptop> when I teleport things get really funky I see prims from other regions kind of up in the air not where they should be
2014-02-18 22:07 <nebadon_laptop> and certain neighbors are just not visible at all, but if i relog everything is ok again
2014-02-18 22:10 <zadark> Disappearing neighbours is a problem, but LM links to them work
2014-02-18 22:12 <nebadon_laptop> I am using map
2014-02-18 22:12 <nebadon_laptop> I never use LMs
2014-02-18 22:13 <zadark> This may seem odd, but you can double click in an area of the mini map that should display a region and it works, but this is all work in progress
2014-02-18 22:15 <nebadon_laptop> it seems like when i teleport into the neighbor sim, all the content I could just see across the border goes missing
2014-02-18 22:15 <nebadon_laptop> then I teleport back to the region I just came from and now that regions content is missing, but the one I just came from that I couldnt see I can now see again
2014-02-18 22:16 <zadark> Yes, the child agent switches off, for want of a better description
2014-02-18 22:16 <nebadon_laptop> something funky going on with Child agents
2014-02-18 22:20 <osmantis> Bug #7013:04 Varregion with Bulletsim, wind appears to be blowing 200 mph 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7013 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-18 22:21 <nebadon_laptop> hmm interesting the content finally did load
2014-02-18 22:21 <nebadon_laptop> just slowly
2014-02-18 22:21 <nebadon_laptop> which is odd because it was visible 2 seconds before the teleport
2014-02-18 22:23 <nebadon_laptop> seems as if telehubs dont work in vars either
2014-02-18 22:24 <zadark> The adjacent regions disappear soon after arriving at the new location, one moment they are there then poof gone
2014-02-18 22:24 <nebadon_laptop> oh wait I see why
2014-02-18 22:24 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-02-18 22:24 <nebadon_laptop> exactly zadark, so you see same thing then?
2014-02-18 22:25 <zadark> Yes, I included a comment on a mantis, so Mr B will be aware
2014-02-18 22:26 <zadark> Trying out ikalif latest SL viewer thing
2014-02-18 22:32 <nebadon_laptop> awesome thanks zadark
2014-02-18 22:37 <nebadon_laptop> zadark what # is your mantis?
2014-02-18 22:41 <nebadon_laptop> I have another bad issue with Warp3Dtile and Varregions
2014-02-18 22:41 <nebadon_laptop> also I dont think i can set my own tiles with a varregion to fix the issue
2014-02-18 22:41 <nebadon_laptop> my terrain is mesh and its showing up as a very LOD on Warp3D tiles, basically it looks like a cut and hollow cube
2014-02-18 22:41 <nebadon_laptop> seems Warp3D isnt getting all of the mesh data before rendering
2014-02-18 22:44 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/warp3d_render_issues_01.png
2014-02-18 22:49 <zadark> Not done anything with maps, but I have created a 256m cube in the center of the region.
2014-02-18 22:51 <zadark> in/at
2014-02-18 22:58 <zadark> nebadon_laptop: sorry afk for a moment... http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6980
2014-02-18 22:58 <nebadon_laptop> thanks
2014-02-18 23:05 <nebadon_laptop> this map thing kind of sucks, normally I wouldnt care and I would just set my own maptiles in Regions.ini but with varregion i dont think I can do that
2014-02-18 23:20 <osmantis> Bug #7014:04 osAvatarPlayAnimation fails if animation key is supplied instead of string 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7014 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-19 00:00 <osmantis> Bug #7014:04 osAvatarPlayAnimation fails if animation key is supplied instead of string 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7014 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-19 00:16 <osmantis> Bug #7014:04 osAvatarPlayAnimation fails if animation key is supplied instead of string 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7014 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-19 00:19 <osmantis> Bug #7014:04 osAvatarPlayAnimation fails if animation key is supplied instead of string 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7014 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-02-19 00:32 <misterblue> go away to an all day meeting and come back to pings :)
2014-02-19 00:33 <misterblue> pong RiRa, pong nebadon_laptop
2014-02-19 00:33 <osmantis> Bug #7013:04 Varregion with Bulletsim, wind appears to be blowing 200 mph 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7013 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-02-19 00:34 <misterblue> there are some varregion problems that are not turning into Manti
2014-02-19 00:36 <Spiralmatrix> misterblue: if it helps i was logged in when nebadon noticed a couple of things and i could cut / paste the chat if you dont have it 
2014-02-19 00:37 <misterblue> I have read back over today's log, so I have that
2014-02-19 00:37 <Spiralmatrix> cool
2014-02-19 00:37 <misterblue> sounds like there are problems with managing children and updates from adjacent regions
2014-02-19 00:38 <misterblue> 
ACTION is thinking he messed up the checking for view distance and computation of when to create and disconnect child agents

2014-02-19 00:38 <Spiralmatrix> like in real life children always win in some way :)
2014-02-19 00:38 <Spiralmatrix> I also saw something about 200 mph wind lol
2014-02-19 00:39 <misterblue> children are not computed strictly... there is a bunch of computation around view distance that, I think, is attempting to prevent disconnecting and then immediately reconnecting to children
2014-02-19 00:39 <misterblue> ya... don't know how that is happening... I changed OpenSim to sent the new large region packet code for wind and clouds
2014-02-19 00:39 <Spiralmatrix> ah right, something new for me today is a school day :)
2014-02-19 00:40 <misterblue> I'll have to see what Singularity is actually expecting :)
2014-02-19 00:43 <nebadon_laptop> hey Misterblue
2014-02-19 00:43 <nebadon_laptop> I can file a mantis, I literally just noticed this a few hours ago
2014-02-19 00:44 <nebadon_laptop> if you want I can make you an account on this grid if you want to see
2014-02-19 00:45 <nebadon_laptop> this is my 3x4 768x768 varregion grid
2014-02-19 00:45 <nebadon_laptop> 432 mesh tile terrain
2014-02-19 00:46 <nebadon_laptop> would be virtually impossible to recreate this kind of thing for testing purposes lol
2014-02-19 00:46 <misterblue> all 12 of the regions are adjacent?
2014-02-19 00:47 <nebadon_laptop> yep
2014-02-19 00:47 <misterblue> I had a nagging feeling the adjacency code would need some more work.... looks like my inner engineer was right :)
2014-02-19 00:48 <nebadon_laptop> well you can always rely on me to break your code pretty fast :P
2014-02-19 00:50 <misterblue> and you do a good job at it :)
2014-02-19 00:51 <misterblue> a Mantis would be good... keeps me honest and I can't forget things
2014-02-19 00:51 <nebadon_laptop> sure
2014-02-19 00:51 <nebadon_laptop> and if you want an account on this grid just let me know
2014-02-19 00:51 <nebadon_laptop> its a model of Oakridge in San Jose
2014-02-19 00:56 <misterblue> ok... if I'm on later, I'll ping you
2014-02-19 00:56 <nebadon_laptop> kk
2014-02-19 01:05 <osmantis> Bug #7015:04 [VARREGION] Teleporting between neighbors prims disappearing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7015 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-19 01:08 <nebadon_laptop> zadark I created another mantis specifically for this issue, if you want to add to it
2014-02-19 01:09 <zadark> Hi Neb, no that is fine, may be link so when one fixed both fixed
2014-02-19 01:12 <zadark> misterblue: this adjacent disappearing region is related to drawdistance, is seems fixed at 255, when from south west to south west of 2 enlargd regions is greater than 255. If I lift the value to say 1024, the regions do not disappear
2014-02-19 01:14 <zadark> I will put this bit in mantis 6980
2014-02-19 01:20 <osmantis> Bug #6980:04 VARREGION Cross boarder teleport and walk failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6980 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-19 01:21 <osmantis> Bug #6980:04 VARREGION Cross boarder teleport and walk failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6980 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007015.
2014-02-19 01:21 <osmantis> Bug #7015:04 [VARREGION] Teleporting between neighbors prims disappearing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7015 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006980.
2014-02-19 01:45 <nebadon_laptop> zadark where are you changing the setting?
2014-02-19 01:45 <nebadon_laptop> simulator or viewer?
2014-02-19 01:45 <nebadon_laptop> i have my viewer set to 2048 and i still saw it, so I am guessing your changing it in sim?
2014-02-19 01:47 <zadark> nebadon_laptop: Simulator, but it is a hack at present as a proof of concept. The value need to be updated dynamically, working on a patch, probably best for Mr B to check out as I may not have a handle on the big picture
2014-02-19 01:47 <nebadon_laptop> k
2014-02-19 01:48 <nebadon_laptop> how big are your vars
2014-02-19 02:12 <zadark> 512
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2014-02-19 03:19 <zadark> nebadon_laptop: Heads up the issue is not directly connected to DrawDistance, but Utils.IsOutsideView. Seems to be some prep work already in place, leave to Mr B
2014-02-19 03:22 <osmantis> Bug #6939:04 the code within AvatarFactoryModule.cs keeps adding new inventory items on teleports 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6939 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-19 04:13 <Thonneve> Does anyone know how much C# has changed since 2005...
2014-02-19 04:21 <lkalif> put that in google
2014-02-19 04:21 <lkalif> and quite a bit
2014-02-19 04:23 <Thonneve> So learning from a book from 2005 would be pretty pointless at this point?
2014-02-19 04:23 <lkalif> yup
2014-02-19 04:23 <lkalif> well you will get the basic concepts. nothing has been removed
2014-02-19 04:24 <lkalif> but there are new and interesting things
2014-02-19 04:24 <Thonneve> Are there any books you'd recomend for learning C#? I'd rather not know half the information and be stuck because of it
2014-02-19 04:25 <lkalif> hmm, I used web stuff mostly. and looked at code. depends if you know programming already
2014-02-19 04:26 <Thonneve> At the moment LSL and basic java is all I know to be honest
2014-02-19 04:27 <lkalif> there are a lot of web resources, I don't know what to recommend
2014-02-19 17:17 <osmantis> Bug #7015:04 [VARREGION] Teleporting between neighbors prims disappearing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7015 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-19 17:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #3302 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-19 18:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3302: SUCCESS in 6 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3302/
2014-02-19 18:01 <osjenkins> misterblue: varregion: make scene default draw distance to be the maximum size of the
2014-02-19 18:39 <zadark> cd ..
2014-02-19 18:40 <zadark> woops
2014-02-19 18:40 <misterblue> I hate it when that happens :)
2014-02-19 20:36 <osmantis> Bug #7016:04 Object loses name, owner, creator properties, ability to be deleted, etc. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7016 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-19 22:14 <frnic> Misterblue - possible varregion issue. I setup a new varregion on my server by pulling head. Running both region/sim and robust on the same server. Running debian jessie (latest) with mono 3.2.6. HG Enabled. I can log into my region and hg to lbsa plaza. and then back to my region. However, if I log into lbsa plaza and then hg tp to my region it fails - times out. Region is hg accessible at...
2014-02-19 22:14 <frnic> ...dreamersbay.com:8002
2014-02-19 22:21 <misterblue> the failure is HGing from the OSGrid region to your varregion but it works of you go from your varregion to OSGrid then back to your region?
2014-02-19 22:23 <misterblue> frnic... if the region on your grid is legacy sized, can you HG back and forth without problems?
2014-02-19 22:24 <misterblue> 
ACTION is thinking that, as with everything HG, the first thing to check is configuration

2014-02-19 22:27 <frnic> misaterblue, I will try a legacy size in a little while, at the moment it is 1`024^2
2014-02-19 22:27 <frnic> 1024^2
2014-02-19 22:27 <frnic> back shortly
2014-02-20 01:47 <osmantis> Bug #6908:04 load oar causes crash because of OutOfMemoryException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6908 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-20 01:52 <osmantis> Bug #7017:04 save oar causes crash because of OutOfMemoryException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7017 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-20 01:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #3303 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-20 01:53 <osmantis> Bug #7017:04 save oar causes crash because of OutOfMemoryException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7017 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006908.
2014-02-20 01:53 <osmantis> Bug #6908:04 load oar causes crash because of OutOfMemoryException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6908 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007017.
2014-02-20 01:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3303: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3303/
2014-02-20 01:57 <osjenkins> dahlia: add EventManager event OnCrossAgentToNewRegion
2014-02-20 02:43 <frnic> Misterblue, regarding my previous message - nevermind - apparently I had a corrupted build. I updated tonight and both legacy and varregions are working correctly regarding HG teleports to/from my grid and OSGrid/lbsa plaza
2014-02-20 03:23 <osmantis> Bug #7008:04 Varregion Terrain very slow to load when teleporting in. Much slower than same exact oars loaded on a mega region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7008 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-02-20 04:45 <osmantis> Bug #7018:04 [PATCH] Add Varregion support to Terragen Terrain handler 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7018 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-20 04:46 <osmantis> Bug #7018:04 [PATCH] Add Varregion support to Terragen Terrain handler 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7018 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-02-20 04:46 <osmantis> Bug #7018:04 [PATCH] Add Varregion support to Terragen Terrain handler 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7018 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-02-20 05:51 <osmantis> Bug #7019:04 osSetPrimitiveParams can't change an NPC's attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7019 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-20 05:54 <osmantis> Bug #7019:04 osSetPrimitiveParams can't change an NPC's attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7019 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-20 08:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #3304 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-20 08:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3304: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3304/
2014-02-20 08:22 <osjenkins> dahlia: add newRegion parameter to CrossAgentToNewRegion event and trigger the event after crossing thread is invoked
2014-02-20 10:11 <lloydi> good day everyone
2014-02-20 11:24 <osmantis> Bug #7020:04 OpenMetaverse Failed to decode mesh asset zlib.ZStreamException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7020 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-20 11:26 <osmantis> Bug #7020:04 OpenMetaverse Failed to decode mesh asset zlib.ZStreamException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7020 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-02-20 11:34 <osmantis> Bug #6792:04 [BULLETS SCENE]: ProcessPostTaintTaints: BSLinksetCompound... System.NullReferenceException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6792 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-20 11:37 <osmantis> Bug #7020:04 OpenMetaverse Failed to decode mesh asset zlib.ZStreamException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7020 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-20 14:34 <osmantis> Bug #7021:04 Suggestiong re OSSL permissions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7021 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-20 18:09 <osmantis> Bug #7016:04 Object loses name, owner, creator properties, ability to be deleted, etc. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7016 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-02-20 18:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #3305 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-20 18:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3305: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3305/
2014-02-20 18:54 <osjenkins> jjustincc: For now, do not replacing missing wearables with default wearables if itme details cannot be found.
2014-02-20 19:13 <Plugh> Typical. I try to set up an OpenSim grid from scratch for someone and Robust complains it can't connect to the DB. :P
2014-02-20 19:16 <Plugh> hm... I ran with mono --debug and that seems to have fixed the problem. It complained but now the database tables got created.
2014-02-20 19:16 <Plugh> Without --debug the Robust console just threw red text.
2014-02-20 19:16 <justincc> that should make zero difference
2014-02-20 19:17 <Plugh> I ran Robust several times and it threw red text every time.
2014-02-20 19:17 <Plugh> I'll delete the tables and try again.
2014-02-20 19:19 <misterblue> justincc: I noticed your last commit.... when we were doing DSG, I remember something about having to to a 'late bake' since things weren't set up after TPing so the baking couldn't happen until way late in the teleport
2014-02-20 19:19 <Plugh> Ah. The difference was that I changed data source to something other than localhost.
2014-02-20 19:19 <justincc> misterblue: yeah, that whole code is stupidly complicated - even more so now most likely
2014-02-20 19:19 <misterblue> don't know if that is useful info, but it sounded related to what you're describing
2014-02-20 19:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #3306 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-20 19:24 <osmantis> Bug #6939:04 the code within AvatarFactoryModule.cs keeps adding new inventory items on teleports 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6939 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-20 19:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3306: SUCCESS in 3 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3306/
2014-02-20 19:24 <osjenkins> jjustincc: In core.groups GroupsServiceRemoveConnector, if GetGroupRecord() or UpdateGroup() do not have a RESULT parameter in the result message, return null rather than fail with NullReferenceException
2014-02-20 19:28 <osmantis> Bug #7012:04 Load Oar fails to load Oar file created by previous OS release 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7012 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-20 19:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #3307 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-20 19:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3307: SUCCESS in 3 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3307/
2014-02-20 19:35 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Add some method doc to AFM,SetAppearanceAssets()
2014-02-20 19:36 <osmantis> Bug #7022:04 Varregion: Teleport to varregion results in viewer crash with Singularity or Firestorm. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7022 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-20 19:45 <osmantis> Bug #7022:04 Varregion: Teleport to varregion results in viewer crash with Singularity or Firestorm. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7022 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-02-20 19:46 <osmantis> Bug #7022:04 Varregion: Teleport to varregion results in viewer crash with Singularity or Firestorm. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7022 ): is now in status NEW (again)
2014-02-20 19:57 <osmantis> Bug #7022:04 Varregion: Teleport to varregion results in viewer crash with Singularity or Firestorm. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7022 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-20 20:21 <Plugh> Is there a problem with the OpenSimulator wiki? I saw some incorrect information on the groups page. I logged in so I could update the page and after logging in I get a mostly blank page. Just two small icons near the top right corner of the screen.
2014-02-20 20:22 <justincc> looks ok to me
2014-02-20 20:22 <nebadon_laptop> other people have had that same problem since the upgrade
2014-02-20 20:22 <nebadon_laptop> I have no idea why
2014-02-20 20:22 <nebadon_laptop> so far I have not experienced it myself
2014-02-20 20:22 <justincc> maybe it's another theme that's not working properly
2014-02-20 20:22 <nebadon_laptop> hmm
2014-02-20 20:24 <justincc> Plugh: in preferences/appearance, what skin do you have selected?
2014-02-20 20:24 <Plugh> preferences/skin in my viewer?
2014-02-20 20:25 <Plugh> s/viewer/browser/?
2014-02-20 20:25 <justincc> on wiki
2014-02-20 20:25 <Plugh> Should be the default. I can't tell now since the page comes up blank so I can't access my preferences.
2014-02-20 20:25 <justincc> what, the entire wiki?
2014-02-20 20:25 <nebadon_laptop> misterblue : that last patch fixes my teleport issues, thanks man
2014-02-20 20:26 <nebadon_laptop> others have complained of the same thing justincc
2014-02-20 20:26 <justincc> I need to update it again... they've released more minor releases
2014-02-20 20:26 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: I know there was that issue with one skin which was giving people completely blank pages, which I fixed simply by deleting it
2014-02-20 20:26 <nebadon_laptop> ah hm
2014-02-20 20:26 <justincc> Arielle was one of those ppl
2014-02-20 20:26 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-02-20 20:27 <Plugh> AH. I have more info for you about the problem.
2014-02-20 20:27 <nebadon_laptop> I must have missed discusson about that fix
2014-02-20 20:27 <Plugh> MediaWiki internal error.
2014-02-20 20:27 <justincc> could it be mysql going south again?
2014-02-20 20:28 <nebadon_laptop> if the website comes up at all then no
2014-02-20 20:28 <nebadon_laptop> its usually all or nothing
2014-02-20 20:29 <nebadon_laptop> i was able to log in no problem
2014-02-20 20:29 <Plugh> http://www.pastebin.ca/2644794
2014-02-20 20:29 <Plugh> That is not the full "view source" output. Just the last part.
2014-02-20 20:30 <nebadon_laptop> it looks like the classic theme is broken
2014-02-20 20:30 <nebadon_laptop> if i preview it i get white screen
2014-02-20 20:30 <nebadon_laptop> im running previews on all the installed themes
2014-02-20 20:31 <Plugh> yea, i just the get the head and shoulders icon and a small arrow in the top right corner.
2014-02-20 20:31 <justincc> You see that "MWException" part?  that's the opensim skin blowing up
2014-02-20 20:31 <justincc> the non-default one
2014-02-20 20:31 <nebadon_laptop> modern is broken too
2014-02-20 20:31 <justincc> well this sucks
2014-02-20 20:31 <justincc> I'm probably just going to delete all the other kins
2014-02-20 20:31 <nebadon_laptop> monobook loads but its clobbered
2014-02-20 20:31 <nebadon_laptop> ya thats what you should do justincc for sure
2014-02-20 20:32 <Plugh> I can't log out to see the page contents.
2014-02-20 20:33 <nebadon_laptop> ya it looks like the only skin that works 100% properly is OSMonoBook
2014-02-20 20:35 <osmantis> Bug #6927:04 occasionally baked textures don't get sent  and/or recieved 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6927 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-20 20:36 <Plugh> I can see the page now. ty for whatever you just did re: skins.
2014-02-20 20:36 <justincc> Plugh: ok, there we go.  
2014-02-20 20:36 <justincc> yes, I removed every other skin.  they really ust need to be fixed up for this later version of mediawiki but it's not worth my time
2014-02-20 20:36 <Plugh> Glad I could help with determining the problem.
2014-02-20 20:39 <misterblue> nebadon_laptop: glad that fix worked for the problem... it does look like drawdistance is broken and needs some work
2014-02-20 20:40 <nebadon_laptop> ok, should I leave that mantis open then?
2014-02-20 20:40 <nebadon_laptop> since this is not a permanent fix?
2014-02-20 20:41 <misterblue> you can close it as I was having to fix draw distance anyway to make the partial terrain update stuff work (sending only the terrain patches you can see)
2014-02-20 20:43 <justincc> ok, dinner time.  Back later
2014-02-20 20:45 <nebadon_laptop> misterblue did you see my problem with the maptiles in my varregion?
2014-02-20 20:45 <nebadon_laptop> seems like warp3D isnt downloading the mesh
2014-02-20 20:45 <nebadon_laptop> its rendering before the entire mesh downloads or something
2014-02-20 20:46 <RiRa> misterblue, short question. is the improved var terrain loading / edit already in master ?
2014-02-20 20:46 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/warp3d_render_issues_01.png
2014-02-20 20:46 <nebadon_laptop> RiRa I think all varregion development is in master now
2014-02-20 20:46 <nebadon_laptop> the varregion branch is defunct 
2014-02-20 20:47 <RiRa> nebadon,. not going to use your maptiles to find the route :)
2014-02-20 20:47 <RiRa> i mean in master
2014-02-20 20:47 <RiRa> i already wrote master
2014-02-20 20:47 <nebadon_laptop> normally I would not care about the tiles being screwed up like this, normally I would define the maptile texture uuids myself in Regions.ini but I dont think I can do that with varregions
2014-02-20 20:47 <nebadon_laptop> so I am kind of in trouble with the map
2014-02-20 20:47 <Ken_S> Nebadon_Laptop, I dont see any mapstiles in vars in OSG other than the far SW one, but
2014-02-20 20:48 <Ken_S> I see all of them in my test grid
2014-02-20 20:48 <nebadon_laptop> I see them all
2014-02-20 20:48 <misterblue> the improved terrain patch loading is not in master yet.... varregions still load all terrain for the region from the outside in
2014-02-20 20:48 <misterblue> what was the problem with the maptiles, nebadon_laptop?
2014-02-20 20:48 <nebadon_laptop> ok might be because we havent fully updated robust on osgrid yet
2014-02-20 20:48 <nebadon_laptop> the mesh tiles are being rendered as a cut and hollow cube
2014-02-20 20:48 <Ken_S> I think older Robust is the issue
2014-02-20 20:48 <nebadon_laptop> look at the screenshot above
2014-02-20 20:49 <nebadon_laptop> ok maybe I should update Robust then
2014-02-20 20:49 <nebadon_laptop> even though im not quite ready to run the bake service yet
2014-02-20 20:49 <nebadon_laptop> I assume old method would still function
2014-02-20 20:49 <misterblue> did you turn on the warp3d include-meshes configuration... I don't think warp3d includes meshed objects by default
2014-02-20 20:49 <misterblue> let me look for the parameter
2014-02-20 20:50 <nebadon_laptop> oh
2014-02-20 20:50 <nebadon_laptop> I did not realize that was required
2014-02-20 20:50 <nebadon_laptop> let me look i most certainly did not
2014-02-20 20:51 <Ken_S> Nebadon_Laptop, is this var in OSG?
2014-02-20 20:51 <nebadon_laptop> oh look at that, I am completely missing that from my ini
2014-02-20 20:51 <nebadon_laptop> no Ken_S its a different grid
2014-02-20 20:51 <nebadon_laptop> thanks misterblue
2014-02-20 20:51 <Ken_S> If it was in OSG, I think the far sw 256 area is all the map you would be seeing.
2014-02-20 20:52 <Ken_S> Because the osg Robust is not the latest
2014-02-20 20:52 <Ken_S> At least thats been my experience with it.
2014-02-20 20:54 <misterblue> nebadon_laptop: the INI parameter is "[MapImageModule] renderMeshes=true"
2014-02-20 20:54 <misterblue> nebadon_laptop: the INI parameter is "[MapImageModule] RenderMeshes=true"
2014-02-20 20:56 <danbanner> misterblue where does that go ?
2014-02-20 21:07 <RiRa> Ken_S yes. but the all need to put in
2014-02-20 21:15 <nebadon_laptop> looks like mantis website was using graphics from one of the wiki skins that got removed
2014-02-20 21:15 <nebadon_laptop> need to see if i can find and fix this
2014-02-20 21:21 <osmantis> Bug #7023:04 Warp3d errors when (RenderMeshes = true) in [Map] section of OpenSim.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7023 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-20 21:26 <osmantis> Bug #7024:04 llSetKeyframedMotion stopped working with 0.7.6.1 Release 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7024 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-20 21:33 <osmantis> Bug #7023:04 Warp3d errors when (RenderMeshes = true) in [Map] section of OpenSim.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7023 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-02-20 21:33 <osmantis> Bug #7024:04 llSetKeyframedMotion stopped working with 0.7.6.1 Release 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7024 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-20 21:33 <nebadon_laptop> ok i fixed mantis
2014-02-20 21:33 <misterblue> thanks nebadon_laptop (and you need a shorter name :) )
2014-02-20 21:39 <danbanner> ouch http://pastebin.com/1nvmUE6t
2014-02-20 21:41 <misterblue> does OpenSim have server-side-baking yet? I remember some discussions but don't know if the code is there
2014-02-20 21:45 <nebadon_laptop> no
2014-02-20 21:45 <nebadon_laptop> melanie was working on persistant baking storage on robust
2014-02-20 21:45 <nebadon_laptop> but has nothing to do with server side baking
2014-02-20 21:46 <nebadon_laptop> it just elminates the need to bake every teleport / relog
2014-02-20 21:47 <misterblue> k
2014-02-20 22:16 <osmantis> Bug #7024:04 llSetKeyframedMotion stopped working with 0.7.6.1 Release 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7024 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-20 22:33 <justinccAfk> nebadon_laptop: thanks for fixing the mantis stuff
2014-02-20 22:33 <nebadon_laptop> no problem justincc
2014-02-20 22:33 <nebadon_laptop> was easy fix
2014-02-20 22:33 <justincc> btw, I put the skins in the skins/disabled directory this time
2014-02-20 22:33 <justincc> as well as skins.old
2014-02-20 22:34 <osmantis> Bug #7024:04 llSetKeyframedMotion stopped working with 0.7.6.1 Release 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7024 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-02-20 22:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #3308 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-20 22:38 <diva> hi justincc. One of my students has measured the effect of those "significant movement" filters that I added back in July, and the results are interesting. CPU comes down by about 30% with those filters vs without the filters. Those twitchy packets are discarded higher up anyway, so they don't result in more packets being sent. The reason for CPU improvement seems to be entirely because 
2014-02-20 22:38 <diva> of the computation that happens for processing the packets. We should probably look at that code path to understand why it's so heavy. We'll have a paper with charts pretty soon.
2014-02-20 22:39 <justincc> danbanner: okay, that should take care of the immediate cause of the pastebin error but I'm surprised it happened in the first place
2014-02-20 22:39 <justincc> let alone managed to terminate the simulator... clearly code above has changed
2014-02-20 22:39 <danbanner> hey justin, thanks
2014-02-20 22:40 <justincc> diva: interesting
2014-02-20 22:40 <justincc> danbanner: I plan to look at that horrible bake spew bug soon too but that may well be tomorrow now
2014-02-20 22:41 <danbanner> that would be good, although after some consideration we havent updated robust to include melanie's latest changes
2014-02-20 22:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3308: SUCCESS in 3 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3308/
2014-02-20 22:41 <osjenkins> jjustincc: If GetFolderContent called by WebFetchInvDescHandler.Fetch() fails for some reason and returns null, log and return empty contents rather than throwing an exception that ends up terminating the simulator.
2014-02-20 22:42 <justincc> ok.  It still happens anyway though, right?
2014-02-20 22:44 <danbanner> yes, with current robust and new sim it does
2014-02-20 22:44 <justincc> well, it shouldn't do that whether 'xbake' is active or not
2014-02-20 22:44 <danbanner> ok
2014-02-20 22:50 <Ken_S> I've been seeing a lot of yellow "[SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG" errors in console on startup for a few weeks now.
2014-02-20 22:50 <Ken_S> Is this anything to be concerned about?
2014-02-20 22:51 <dahlia> Ken_S: possibly
2014-02-20 22:52 <Ken_S> I see it on startup in OSG and on my test grid using latest dev master.
2014-02-20 22:52 <Ken_S> In every instance
2014-02-20 22:53 <dahlia> I dont see it in any of my logs
2014-02-20 22:53 <Ken_S> It just started on mine a few weeks ago.
2014-02-20 22:54 <Ken_S> dahlia, are you running linux?
2014-02-20 22:54 <dahlia> not in the logs I checked
2014-02-20 22:55 <Ken_S> I am on Windows Server 2012.
2014-02-20 22:55 <dahlia> does it happen on an empty region?
2014-02-20 22:55 <Ken_S> It happens on startup with no one there.
2014-02-20 22:56 <Ken_S> Ive also see it happen later with no one there
2014-02-20 22:56 <dahlia> empty, meaning no prims or anything
2014-02-20 22:56 <dahlia> fresh new region db
2014-02-20 22:57 <Ken_S> I have a few empty sim with just the bump island, Ill have to check those logs
2014-02-20 22:58 <dahlia> I've seen regions loaded from funky oar files from the web with lots of strange startup messages
2014-02-20 23:00 <Ken_S> It just started a couple weeks ago, never saw these messages before then.
2014-02-20 23:00 <Ken_S> So far I am not finding this message on any instances that have no prims in them, but still looking.
2014-02-20 23:02 <dahlia> ForEachSOG means something is looking at each linkset and trying to do something with them, could be anything. Not really enough info in that message to tell.
2014-02-20 23:03 <Ken_S> I submitted a mantis for it a bout 10 days ago with more log info.
2014-02-20 23:06 <justincc> what is the mantis number?
2014-02-20 23:06 <dahlia> my guess is you have something corrupt in your region data
2014-02-20 23:06 <Ken_S> So far I only see thse messages in instances that have prims somewhere in them.
2014-02-20 23:07 <Ken_S> dahlia: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6990
2014-02-20 23:08 <dahlia> Ken_S: and that happens with no clients connected?
2014-02-20 23:08 <justincc> there should be a lot more stacktrace.  Is that really all there is?
2014-02-20 23:09 <Ken_S> I can get a LOT more info on it from other logs.
2014-02-20 23:09 <Ken_S> Ill attach more shortly
2014-02-20 23:09 <justincc> that's what one would need to get some idea where it's really coming from
2014-02-20 23:10 <dahlia> "reading bit stream header or parsing packets" is not in opensim source
2014-02-20 23:11 <justincc> it's a j2kimage error originating from libomv
2014-02-20 23:11 <dahlia> ah a bogus texture
2014-02-20 23:12 <dahlia> why would SceneGraph read j2ks?
2014-02-20 23:12 <justincc> anything can call SG.ForEachSog with some Action
2014-02-20 23:12 <dahlia> true but would it throw in SceneGraph?
2014-02-20 23:13 <justincc> that's where the error is caught and logged
2014-02-20 23:13 <dahlia> ah ok
2014-02-20 23:14 <dahlia> hopefully whatever throws on a bad texture would log the UUID
2014-02-20 23:15 <justincc> yeah, if we have the trace might be able to catch it further up and attach that info
2014-02-20 23:16 <Ken_S> There is no stacktrace in any of the logs
2014-02-20 23:16 <dahlia> its likely a bad texture
2014-02-20 23:17 <dahlia> or sculpt map
2014-02-20 23:17 <Ken_S> If thats the case, its apparently a new warning that was not there a few weeks ago.
2014-02-20 23:17 <dahlia> probably sculpt map because other textures dont really get accessed at startup
2014-02-20 23:18 <dahlia> oh except maybe for map tile generation
2014-02-20 23:18 <Ken_S> Is there a way to make it show a stacktrace in the log?
2014-02-20 23:18 <justincc> that wouldn't hit ForEachSog though
2014-02-20 23:18 <dahlia> map tile generation woudlnt?
2014-02-20 23:18 <justincc> dahlia: hmm, no I see, yes, I guess one would be getting info on each sog
2014-02-20 23:19 <Ken_S> I think its related to maptile generation
2014-02-20 23:19 <justincc> Ken_S: no, it should really be there, though I vaguely recall issues in some methids of printing stack traces on windows.  I will have to check
2014-02-20 23:19 <justincc> Ken_S: you're using default gen or warp?
2014-02-20 23:19 <Ken_S> warp everywhere
2014-02-20 23:19 <dahlia> disable warp
2014-02-20 23:19 <dahlia> and try
2014-02-20 23:19 <justincc> Ken_S: actually, thbere is a log attached to that mantis which shows the trace!
2014-02-20 23:19 <justincc> and yes, it's warp
2014-02-20 23:20 <justincc> which is curious - warp hasn't changed for ages
2014-02-20 23:20 <Ken_S> OK, I didnt know it was in that one
2014-02-20 23:20 <justincc> though i guess it is still pulling from regio ndata
2014-02-20 23:20 <dahlia> no but a bogus texture probably was added about the time the problem started
2014-02-20 23:20 <justincc> yeah, will need to change code slightly to actually be more useful and print out the texture uuid
2014-02-20 23:21 <Ken_S> It started on every sim with any prims.  40+ instances
2014-02-20 23:21 <dahlia> anyway if it's warp, probably not a problem
2014-02-20 23:21 <Ken_S> So I dont think its 1 bogus texture
2014-02-20 23:21 <justincc> we'll see what it is once we have the uuid 
2014-02-20 23:22 <dahlia> bogus, missing, unable to fetch.... 
2014-02-20 23:22 <dahlia> corrupt cache
2014-02-20 23:23 <Ken_S> I thought of that and deleted the asset caches and restarted.
2014-02-20 23:23 <dahlia> corrupt in asset server?
2014-02-20 23:23 <Ken_S> I suspect its a new error message telling about an old problem thats been there all along
2014-02-20 23:24 <justincc> none of this stuff is new
2014-02-20 23:24 <dahlia> could also be some problem with libomv installation
2014-02-20 23:25 <Ken_S> Im willing to try anything anyone suggests.
2014-02-20 23:25 <justincc> need to get the uuid first.  Little point in speculating
2014-02-20 23:26 <Ken_S> Im going to disable warp on 1 instance just to see what that does
2014-02-20 23:26 <dahlia> save an oar of one of the problem regions, create a fresh standalone on the same machine thats showing the problem, load the oar, restart the region?
2014-02-20 23:27 <Ken_S> Ive done that. It was a mega oar.  Same issue on new mega.
2014-02-20 23:28 <dahlia> how about a different computer/OS?
2014-02-20 23:29 <Ken_S> This is on 2 different physical servers, but both with the same os.
2014-02-20 23:30 <dahlia> did disabling warp have any effect?
2014-02-20 23:32 <Ken_S> Problem is gone with warp3d disabled
2014-02-20 23:33 <Ken_S> Instance with 4 sims and tons of prims started fully with not one of these errors.
2014-02-20 23:33 <dahlia> could also probably try logging in with a viewer with a freshly cleared cache and see if the region textures look ok
2014-02-20 23:33 <dahlia> errr... all the textures in the region
2014-02-20 23:33 <justincc> well great, warp is another piece of wonderful code that doesnt' dispose of bitmaps properly
2014-02-20 23:33 <dahlia> haha
2014-02-20 23:33 <Ken_S> I have done that several times over the last 10 days and everything looks normal
2014-02-20 23:34 <justincc> memory leak city
2014-02-20 23:34 <justincc> ngf
2014-02-20 23:34 <dahlia> I dont use warp
2014-02-20 23:34 <nebadon_laptop> ya you definitely can not run warp3d on the timer
2014-02-20 23:34 <justincc> goddamnit
2014-02-20 23:34 <nebadon_laptop> if you have it only set to render at startup its fine
2014-02-20 23:35 <justincc> who even wrote this warp stuff?
2014-02-20 23:35 <Ken_S> Mine is set to only render at startup I think.
2014-02-20 23:35 <nebadon_laptop> jhurliman and teravus
2014-02-20 23:35 <justincc> they should know better...
2014-02-20 23:35 <dahlia> I should finish my c# software renderer someday but no time now
2014-02-20 23:36 <dahlia> did they write it or did they just integrate it?
2014-02-20 23:36 <nebadon_laptop> probably a bit of both
2014-02-20 23:37 <Ken_S> I am using     MaptileRefresh = 0 and DrawPrimOnMapTile = true
2014-02-20 23:37 <Ken_S> I think Ill turn warp back on and turn off DrawPrimOnMapTile
2014-02-20 23:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #3309 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-20 23:38 <justincc> Ken_S: well, that commit should say which UUID is causing the problem at least.  Then one would dump it from the asset service and try to load it in some other program
2014-02-20 23:38 <justincc> the asset entry itself definitely exists, otherwise it wouldn't get to that point
2014-02-20 23:38 <justincc> but yes, it might be lots of assets for some reason
2014-02-20 23:39 <justincc> I can't easily solve the mem leak issue without actually updating warp or changing the structure of the code more than I have time for atm
2014-02-20 23:40 <Ken_S> Restarting with DrawPrimOnMapTile = false to see if it changes anything.
2014-02-20 23:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3309: SUCCESS in 3 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3309/
2014-02-20 23:41 <osjenkins> jjustincc: If texture decode fails in Warp3D map maker, log uuid of asset that failed to decode along with exception
2014-02-20 23:42 <Ken_S> OK, problem goes away if Warp3D is enabled and DrawPrimOnMapTile = false
2014-02-20 23:43 <nebadon_laptop> maybe its something with sculpty?
2014-02-20 23:43 <nebadon_laptop> might need to disable the sculpt map decoding cache
2014-02-20 23:43 <Ken_S> No telling.
2014-02-20 23:44 <dahlia> the decoding cache is just for physics
2014-02-20 23:44 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-02-20 23:44 <nebadon_laptop> wasnt sure if Warp3D would also have same problem
2014-02-20 23:45 <dahlia> well the smap files are not compatable with rendering
2014-02-20 23:45 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-02-20 23:45 <dahlia> I have used the j2kdecodecache folder to hold more stuff tho but only for private modules ;)
2014-02-20 23:50 <osmantis> Bug #6990:04 OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.SceneGraph [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6990 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-20 23:50 <Ken_S> Justin, what should I look for in the log file with the change you just checked in?
2014-02-20 23:51 <Ken_S> justincc rather...
2014-02-20 23:51 <justincc> Ken_S: instead of ForEachSOG messages you will now see a warp message saying which uuid failed to decode, along with that existing exception tacked on the end
2014-02-20 23:52 <justincc> then show asset <uuid> to see info, dump asset <uuid> to get it from the db, then you would need to find some external windows program that can read jpeg2000 files to take a look, if you want to delve that far
2014-02-20 23:55 <Ken_S> Im going to add to the mantis what is in the log file now.
2014-02-20 23:55 <dahlia> you could look at it with a scripted prim also, but would need to clear viewre cache first
2014-02-20 23:55 <dahlia> llSetTexture() or whatever its called
2014-02-20 23:58 <Ken_S> Dan gave me a new config file recently that I think is making my logs abreviated.
2014-02-20 23:59 <Ken_S> Anyway, the new log info is now attached to the mantis
2014-02-21 00:00 <justincc> Ken_S: are you sure you updated?  Line numbers don't match new code
2014-02-21 00:00 <Ken_S> Let me verify...
2014-02-21 00:00 <justincc> they are identical to the old numerbs
2014-02-21 00:02 <Ken_S> Justincc, you are right it didnt update. doing it again.
2014-02-21 00:02 <justincc> k
2014-02-21 00:02 <justincc> I'm off very shortly but will be back tomorrow
2014-02-21 00:03 <Ken_S> Wrong set of instances were updated...
2014-02-21 00:10 <justincc> ok, time for me to rest.  Goodnight folks
2014-02-21 00:16 <osmantis> Bug #6990:04 OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.SceneGraph [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6990 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-21 00:20 <dahlia> Ken_S: oh looks like warp3d is using CSJ2K to decode textures, from my experience it's not as robust as openjpeg so a texture that it fails on might work in other places
2014-02-21 00:20 <dahlia> anyway the problem asset is 5c7dd770-b245-4c9f-872b-0310f1c613ff
2014-02-21 00:22 <dahlia> wonder why the warp implementers chose CSJ2K? it's dog slow compared to openjpeg which already exists in opensim
2014-02-21 00:50 <Ken_S> dahlia, my guess is the dev that did it was already familiar with CSJ2K, but who knows
2014-02-21 00:50 <diva> lkalif, I'm looking in GridProxy that viewers send AgentUpdate packets all the time (like, 8/sec) even if the user does absolutely nothing. Is tha the correct behavior?
2014-02-21 00:52 <nebadon2> diva does it do the same thing in SL?
2014-02-21 00:52 <dahlia> diva: I've observed that they can send many more, in the hundreds/second. Seems to correlate with frame rate which would cuggest that they send one packet every draw frame
2014-02-21 00:52 <dahlia> and in SL also
2014-02-21 00:53 <diva> dahlia, I wuld imagine so, buit I'm talking about when the user is doing absolutely nothing at all, nothing is moving
2014-02-21 00:53 <dahlia> yes even then
2014-02-21 00:53 <dahlia> every draw frame
2014-02-21 00:54 <nebadon2> ya i would think the viewer would need to know what is happening even if your not doing anything
2014-02-21 00:54 <diva> I guess I haven't encountered that. I'm seeing about 10/sec, consistently
2014-02-21 00:54 <nebadon2> it would need to find out about everything else going on in the region still
2014-02-21 00:54 <dahlia> nebadon2: no this is the viewer sending state to the sim
2014-02-21 00:54 <diva> neb, no this is the viewer sending packets
2014-02-21 00:54 <nebadon2> the heartbeat is 11fps so that makes sense in SL
2014-02-21 00:54 <nebadon2> ah
2014-02-21 00:55 <diva> I'm measuring a few things systematically and I'm trying to understand what the baseline should be
2014-02-21 00:55 <nebadon2> ya what i was going to say is in SL its probably higher
2014-02-21 00:55 <diva> baseline = "normal, well-behaved viewers"
2014-02-21 00:55 <nebadon2> but that does seem a bit wasteful to send packets for no reason
2014-02-21 00:56 <diva> anyway, gotta go afk, will be back later
2014-02-21 00:56 <dahlia> diva: I think AgentUpdate is (or should be) unreliable and many MMO game apps do similar. The idea is you want to make sure the server always has the latest state which is critical in gaming applications
2014-02-21 00:56 <diva> what do you mean unreliable?
2014-02-21 00:56 <dahlia> i.e., if you push an attack button and there is lag and the monster kills you, customers get very pissed ;)
2014-02-21 00:57 <dahlia> unreliable, meaning unacked
2014-02-21 00:57 <dahlia> not acknowleged
2014-02-21 00:57 <diva> so the clients are constantly streaming agent updates?
2014-02-21 00:57 <dahlia> it just pours out a rapid stream of the latest state
2014-02-21 00:57 <diva> is that "normal"?
2014-02-21 00:57 <dahlia> yes for gaming apps
2014-02-21 00:58 <diva> ok, cool
2014-02-21 00:58 <dahlia> now it could just send state changes, but that would require a reliable transport which can add delay
2014-02-21 00:59 <osmantis> Bug #7025:04 Extending the region's draw distance no longer works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7025 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-21 00:59 <velus> hello has anyone got a dump of the structure for open sim i can have a sec for a project im working on please
2014-02-21 01:00 <dahlia> velus: "structure"?
2014-02-21 01:00 <velus> yes structre as in the tables and the structures of all tables 
2014-02-21 01:01 <dahlia> you might find something here but it may not be up to date http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Development
2014-02-21 01:01 <dahlia> anyway it's not advised to manipulate  the database tables in external apps
2014-02-21 01:02 <velus> i would be adding data to it thats all and viewing data well will mainly be viewing it 
2014-02-21 01:03 <dahlia> well the table layouts can change with no notice
2014-02-21 01:03 <velus> but i can change the app as the layout changes 
2014-02-21 01:04 <Ken_S> velus, you might want to look at Diva's wifi since it is working and probably accesses the fields and tables you want.
2014-02-21 01:04 <dahlia> we probably have an API somewhere to do what you want to do
2014-02-21 01:04 <dahlia> but Im not sure where it is
2014-02-21 01:04 <dahlia> BlueWall or melanie_ may know
2014-02-21 01:05 <velus> its to create a  web gui for opensim so it goes http://doamin.tld and not http:domain.tld:9000
2014-02-21 01:10 <osmantis> Bug #7025:04 Extending the region's draw distance no longer works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7025 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-02-21 01:14 <nebadon2> the best thing you can do velus, is setup opensim
2014-02-21 01:14 <nebadon2> then do a mysqldump of just the table structure
2014-02-21 01:14 <velus> yeah but i cant set up my server for three weeks and want to start on it before then
2014-02-21 01:15 <nebadon2> mysqldump -d -h localhost -u root -p <database> > <database>.sql
2014-02-21 01:15 <nebadon2> ah
2014-02-21 01:15 <nebadon2> you could always setup a virtualbox virtual machine in the meantime to play
2014-02-21 01:15 <velus> yeah
2014-02-21 01:15 <velus> not really im down to one machine for a few weeks and the machine is crap but its my  main php developing machine
2014-02-21 01:16 <nebadon2> you need robust structure?
2014-02-21 01:16 <velus> grid 
2014-02-21 01:16 <velus> for now anyway
2014-02-21 01:16 <nebadon2> k
2014-02-21 01:17 <velus> nebadon2: basically what im trying to do is create a php webgui for opensim 
2014-02-21 01:18 <dahlia> you could look at existing web guis and see what they do
2014-02-21 01:18 <velus> i am thinking of using the wifi c# from diva and have it connect with the php gui but thinking i will need to have ork done on the c# for it 
2014-02-21 01:18 <velus> and dahlia thats what im doing
2014-02-21 01:18 <dahlia> ya I was going to suggest wifi
2014-02-21 01:19 <velus> but the problem with wifi is it is all in js 
2014-02-21 01:19 <nebadon2> http://pastebin.com/2ZYG6pmG
2014-02-21 01:19 <nebadon2> there you go
2014-02-21 01:19 <dahlia> ewww js
2014-02-21 01:19 <nebadon2> i dont think its all js
2014-02-21 01:19 <velus> yeah my point thats why i use php
2014-02-21 01:20 <nebadon2> ya its definitely not php
2014-02-21 01:20 <nebadon2> robust cant handle php
2014-02-21 01:20 <dahlia> services connectors probably could tho
2014-02-21 01:20 <velus> all the db conectoiins and such is in js its a html but with js in backgound thats why they run it on :900 
2014-02-21 01:21 <nebadon2> there is very little js
2014-02-21 01:21 <nebadon2> and no the db connections are not js
2014-02-21 01:21 <nebadon2> it uses robust for mysql
2014-02-21 01:21 <nebadon2> it cant be run in apache
2014-02-21 01:21 <velus> ok 
2014-02-21 01:21 <nebadon2> it has to run in robust using divas mysql connector
2014-02-21 01:21 <velus> ?? 
2014-02-21 01:21 <nebadon2> the js is just jquery stuff for menus and tables I think
2014-02-21 01:21 <nebadon2> wifi runs directly from robust server
2014-02-21 01:22 <nebadon2> doesnt run on a traditional webserver
2014-02-21 01:22 <dahlia> no Im saying the services connectors can probably connect to anything that can do REST/JSON
2014-02-21 01:22 <nebadon2> oh ya maybe
2014-02-21 01:22 <Ken_S> nebadon2, how did the old redux wifi work?
2014-02-21 01:22 <dahlia> but I'm out of my area of expertise on that so I'll shut up :)
2014-02-21 01:22 <nebadon2> like shit
2014-02-21 01:22 <nebadon2> lol
2014-02-21 01:22 <nebadon2> dont use redux 
2014-02-21 01:22 <nebadon2> its really bad code
2014-02-21 01:22 <velus> yeah im wanting to make something that is well yeah better lookking easy to use and can be used on any opensim
2014-02-21 01:23 <nebadon2> that would be great velis
2014-02-21 01:23 <Ken_S> That was already not working when I came along, but it appeared to have a lot of features in it
2014-02-21 01:23 <nebadon2> does that pastebin get you the info you need?
2014-02-21 01:23 <dahlia> any? the databases are not consistent
2014-02-21 01:23 <velus> yeah it does it will help with it 
2014-02-21 01:23 <nebadon2> ok great
2014-02-21 01:23 <dahlia> some use postgresql, some mysql, some sqlite, and the tables change
2014-02-21 01:24 <velus> i got this http://forge.opensimulator.org/gf/project/opensimwi/ from somewhere and well i could use that as a slight template for now 
2014-02-21 01:24 <velus> but i want to have it fully intergrated and well fully working
2014-02-21 01:24 <dahlia> there are connectors that exist to facilitate this kind of thing so you dont need to go to the db directly
2014-02-21 01:24 <nebadon2> ya opensimwi is old and bad
2014-02-21 01:24 <nebadon2> i helped develop it, its not good haha
2014-02-21 01:24 <velus> i know its bad 1 it uses mysql_ errr thats bad and old lol 
2014-02-21 01:25 <velus> dahli do you know c#?
2014-02-21 01:25 <nebadon2> opensimwi is not safe from sql injections
2014-02-21 01:25 <velus> and opensim
2014-02-21 01:25 <dahlia> do I? a little I guess ;)
2014-02-21 01:25 <nebadon2> lol
2014-02-21 01:25 <velus> yeah i know it aint i was going to use it as a template using template losely lol my coding is safe from sql injections lol
2014-02-21 01:26 <velus> ok do you think you can help me with my project help with the c# side of it for connectors so i can have a addon module for the project and yes the whole project will be going to be avilable for everyone free of charge
2014-02-21 01:26 <nebadon2> this is a good template
2014-02-21 01:27 <nebadon2> https://github.com/JamesStallings/EgressWFE
2014-02-21 01:27 <nebadon2> you might consider using it as a starting point
2014-02-21 01:27 <nebadon2> its built on top of codeigniter
2014-02-21 01:27 <dahlia> velus: can I? doubtful, my time is pretty booked lately
2014-02-21 01:27 <nebadon2> which is php
2014-02-21 01:27 <nebadon2> i helped develop this one too, its far superior to opensimwi, however its not quite complete either
2014-02-21 01:27 <velus> but does it go from port 80 i.e https://www.doamin.tld
2014-02-21 01:28 <nebadon2> you asking me?
2014-02-21 01:28 <dahlia> velus: I think BlueWall has done a lot of work to implement ways to extend the services via external stuff.. may ask him when he's around
2014-02-21 01:28 <nebadon2> if your asking me that velus, yes it runs from port 80
2014-02-21 01:28 <velus> yes nebadon2 sorry
2014-02-21 01:28 <nebadon2> it runs from apache on whatever port you want
2014-02-21 01:29 <velus> i will i wont be on much for a little while but hopefully i will be on a lot soon
2014-02-21 01:29 <nebadon2> its built using this
2014-02-21 01:29 <nebadon2> http://ellislab.com/codeigniter
2014-02-21 01:29 <nebadon2> which is a really good start for a web interface
2014-02-21 01:29 <nebadon2> osgrid.org is built on same technology
2014-02-21 01:30 <nebadon2> ok i need to run for a bit, have to go food shopping
2014-02-21 01:30 <velus> yeah i wont be using a prebuilt cms system i would be creating my own one and that it would be a simple system but fully own code (to start with )
2014-02-21 01:31 <nebadon2> its not a cms
2014-02-21 01:31 <velus> codeinterger is a cms 
2014-02-21 01:31 <nebadon2> its framework
2014-02-21 01:31 <velus> sorry framework its 1:20 am here
2014-02-21 01:32 <nebadon2> i hate cms's
2014-02-21 01:32 <nebadon2> lol
2014-02-21 01:32 <velus> lol same here 
2014-02-21 01:32 <nebadon2> I am neck deep in developing a CRM right now
2014-02-21 01:32 <velus> so im creating my own framwork and cms lol
2014-02-21 01:32 <nebadon2> using SugarCRM which i actually kind of like
2014-02-21 01:35 <velus> cool 
2014-02-21 01:35 <velus> brb going to the loo
2014-02-21 01:48 <velus> has the opensim got profile built in and groups now?
2014-02-21 01:48 <Plugh> yes
2014-02-21 01:49 <velus> and also i know this may be a daft q to ask here but is there any decent currency module for opensim that will allow RMT 
2014-02-21 01:50 <velus> im wanting to intergrate stripe and go cardless into my site aswell as dreaded paypal
2014-02-21 01:50 <Plugh> RMT?
2014-02-21 01:50 <velus> real money transfere
2014-02-21 01:51 <Plugh> There is a PayPal money module, the DTL-NSL one, and then there is VirWox.
2014-02-21 01:51 <velus> do they work ? and are they any good 
2014-02-21 01:52 <velus> i could do some work to intergrate the other modules i want with it
2014-02-21 01:52 <Plugh> I haven't used either the first two. Third one works but works a little differently than money transactions of some other grids.
2014-02-21 01:56 <velus> ok i basically want my own currency on my server but also have it so currency can be converted between servers aswell 
2014-02-21 01:58 <Plugh> You could use one of the first two modules as a starting point for your own.
2014-02-21 01:58 <velus> ok thanks
2014-02-21 02:01 <velus> what would be a good amount of ram for windows grid server ? 
2014-02-21 02:01 <velus> and how much ram per region?
2014-02-21 02:02 <Plugh> For grid server, enough to run the database engine on top of the Windows requirements.
2014-02-21 02:03 <Plugh> For regions, estimate somewhere from 400Meg to 1G per region. Actual amount will vary depending on how much is in the region.
2014-02-21 02:03 <velus> ok would 20GB ram be enough? 
2014-02-21 02:03 <velus> for say 16 regions
2014-02-21 02:05 <Ken_S> Velux, that will be more than enough
2014-02-21 02:05 <Plugh> It should be enough if you aren't using a lot of RAM for other programs on the machine.
2014-02-21 02:05 <velus> ok good i might be able to get a server like in 20 mins lol 
2014-02-21 02:06 <velus> only the windows system and db and that thats all 
2014-02-21 02:06 <velus> oh iis aswell and whats needed for opensim
2014-02-21 02:06 <Ken_S> I ran 50 sims on a 8 gig windows machine for a while, but there wasn't many prims on them.
2014-02-21 02:06 <velus> this hopefully will have quite a few on it lol
2014-02-21 02:07 <Plugh> The type of machine will determine if you really want to run 16 regions on it or not.
2014-02-21 02:07 <Ken_S> That was pushing it lol, but I like pushing os because that uncovers hidden issues.
2014-02-21 02:08 <Ken_S> You have to watch for memory use and CPU use.
2014-02-21 02:08 <velus> i will be 
2014-02-21 02:09 <Ken_S> On startup particularly you dont want it to go near 100% if you can keep from it.
2014-02-21 02:09 <Ken_S> The sims will start but act strange
2014-02-21 02:09 <velus> im wondering if i can get a php script to watch cpu and ram %
2014-02-21 02:10 <Ken_S> Just monitor it on startup and dont worry about it again unless a lot more prims are added.
2014-02-21 02:10 <Plugh> Possibly, velus. You could look around the Internet.
2014-02-21 02:11 <velus> yeah im thinking that
2014-02-21 02:11 <velus> and well yeah i could do that but at start up it will be enpty but soon will be a lot more
2014-02-21 02:13 <Ken_S> I use a batch file to do rolling startup or else the CPU maxes out and I have issues after startup.
2014-02-21 02:13 <Ken_S> It is timed so that one instance is just about finished loading before the next one starts
2014-02-21 02:14 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-02-21 02:14 <velus> i would want that ken i would lol
2014-02-21 02:14 <Plugh> I use an administration tool that starts a maximum of 3 at a time
2014-02-21 02:14 <velus> col
2014-02-21 02:14 <velus> cool
2014-02-21 02:15 <Ken_S> Can successfully start about 20 instances that way, but no way if they all started at once
2014-02-21 02:15 <velus> yh
2014-02-21 02:15 <Ken_S> Each instance is running between 4 and 8 sims.
2014-02-21 02:17 <Plugh> ah, ok. I run one region per instance.
2014-02-21 02:18 <Ken_S> I dont run more than 4 per instance if a lot of prims on them, but up to 8 works fine if not many prims.
2014-02-21 02:18 <Ken_S> I dont know if the same would work in Linux or not
2014-02-21 02:20 <melanie_> velus: generally, directly accessing the tables is frowned upon
2014-02-21 02:21 <velus> ok 
2014-02-21 02:21 <melanie_> velus: however, that is mainly to keep support effort down, as it's perfectly reasonable to do it if you know what you're ding and can handle the issues that will crop up on updates
2014-02-21 02:21 <osmantis> Bug #7025:04 Extending the region's draw distance no longer works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7025 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-02-21 02:21 <melanie_> the tables and their accessing methods are specifically designed to allow adding fields (NOT constraints!!)
2014-02-21 02:21 <melanie_> all opensim core code is safe for doing that
2014-02-21 02:22 <melanie_> if you add constraints on fields not known to opensim wyou will likely get fatal exceptions of they are violated by core code
2014-02-21 02:22 <melanie_> so if you add constraints like unique, make sure the columnis nullable
2014-02-21 02:22 <melanie_> other things would be analog to what i already told you
2014-02-21 02:22 <velus> ok i dont know much c# and the core code but will look through it 
2014-02-21 02:23 <melanie_> keep a small footprint on the database
2014-02-21 02:23 <melanie_> what app is this you're planning, if i may ask?
2014-02-21 02:23 <velus> a web gui in php 
2014-02-21 02:23 <melanie_> it's been done before
2014-02-21 02:23 <melanie_> multiple times
2014-02-21 02:23 <melanie_> but always abeen abandoned becaus ethe upkeep is too much
2014-02-21 02:23 <melanie_> diva's "wifi" is the best currently available
2014-02-21 02:23 <melanie_> she maintains it
2014-02-21 02:24 <melanie_> what are you planning to do with it?
2014-02-21 02:24 <velus> but one where you could buy regions online (which will be an addon ) and add credit online too and also a transfere money too (which will be addons) yes i know but that aint on port 80 and its not php its all js and html not very cutomisable
2014-02-21 02:24 <velus> and i would maintain it 
2014-02-21 02:25 <melanie_> well, you need to beware
2014-02-21 02:25 <melanie_> anything that concerns money will open you up to lawsuits
2014-02-21 02:25 <melanie_> that is the main reason why there isn't anything out there
2014-02-21 02:25 <velus> it wont be something like an addon for a cms and that it will all be custom code and will be open to everyone to use 
2014-02-21 02:25 <melanie_> i would not publish my framework for the same reason
2014-02-21 02:25 <velus> yes i know but a warning would be sufficent 
2014-02-21 02:25 <melanie_> i don't like to be sued
2014-02-21 02:26 <melanie_> no a warning is not sufficient
2014-02-21 02:26 <velus> and also i have insurance on my company that will prevent it
2014-02-21 02:26 <melanie_> this is global and there is always some country where you can be taken to court
2014-02-21 02:27 <velus> yeah i know but i have two bits that will help the insurance on my business and also the fact i have most of my family is lawyers 
2014-02-21 02:27 <melanie_> it's always been core's stance to stay far away from anything concerning money
2014-02-21 02:27 <melanie_> i don't know if you're aware who i am?
2014-02-21 02:28 <velus> yes thats why the money sections as a addon module and not apart of the atual main site
2014-02-21 02:28 <velus> nope i dont.... just like you dont know me
2014-02-21 02:28 <melanie_> correct.
2014-02-21 02:29 <melanie_> i'm the owner of avination
2014-02-21 02:29 <velus> cool cool 
2014-02-21 02:29 <velus> and.....
2014-02-21 02:29 <melanie_> so you can be sure that i know what i'm talking about
2014-02-21 02:30 <velus> yeah and i have 20 members of my family as solicitors and barristers (uk veresion of lawyers) and the law has run in my family for over 300 years as far as we can tell
2014-02-21 02:30 <melanie_> sounds like a pretty unassailable bastion of the legal profession there
2014-02-21 02:31 <velus> and i have run grids before private grids but mainly used aurora sim nnot opensim but aurora sim is dead now so going to opensim
2014-02-21 02:31 <melanie_> and you'd definitely save on solicitor's fees
2014-02-21 02:31 <velus> yeah defenatley
2014-02-21 02:31 <velus> i dont pay a penny 
2014-02-21 02:31 <melanie_> :)
2014-02-21 02:31 <velus> even when i went to jail 
2014-02-21 02:31 <melanie_> wish i was so lucky
2014-02-21 02:31 <melanie_> ow
2014-02-21 02:31 <melanie_> jail isn't so good
2014-02-21 02:31 <velus> yeah you could be lol 
2014-02-21 02:31 <velus> i know it was in my bad years of my life
2014-02-21 02:31 <velus> im a change man now lol
2014-02-21 02:32 <melanie_> well, what i said stands
2014-02-21 02:32 <melanie_> the technical part as well as the legal part
2014-02-21 02:32 <velus> and also some of my friends in usa are lawerys
2014-02-21 02:32 <melanie_> you're fine adding plain fields
2014-02-21 02:32 <melanie_> and just be aware of the possibilities
2014-02-21 02:32 <velus> i will be 
2014-02-21 02:33 <melanie_> you may want to look up opensimwi and wiredux
2014-02-21 02:33 <velus> i do php develoment every day im a webdesigner by trade
2014-02-21 02:33 <melanie_> to prior projects that may have code youcan reuse
2014-02-21 02:33 <melanie_> the safest method to access opensim's data is through c#
2014-02-21 02:34 <velus> i have opensimwi but its badly written and very poor not much i could use on it lol and well with webdesign comes mysql well all sql
2014-02-21 02:34 <melanie_> you could set up .net on apache and use opesim's libs 
2014-02-21 02:34 <velus> yes i dont know c# or the core of it
2014-02-21 02:34 <melanie_> or you could just execute webrequests agains opensim's web apis
2014-02-21 02:34 <melanie_> neither of these will allow you to add stuff, though
2014-02-21 02:35 <melanie_> unless you want to fork opensim.dara
2014-02-21 02:35 <melanie_> data*
2014-02-21 02:35 <melanie_> we at avn went the custom tables route as well
2014-02-21 02:35 <melanie_> it's the best of a bad bunch of options
2014-02-21 02:36 <velus> if i knew c#  would but i dont know it lol but could do with some help and colab with the c# side of higs
2014-02-21 02:36 <melanie_> well, right now i need to do some major catching up
2014-02-21 02:37 <melanie_> been ill for 2 months+ and still not well, although recovering
2014-02-21 02:37 <melanie_> i have good days and bad
2014-02-21 02:37 <melanie_> i need to fix up the last code drop and drop the physics links
2014-02-21 02:37 <melanie_> befoe i can even consider more opensim engagement
2014-02-21 02:37 <melanie_> i need to keep my promises
2014-02-21 02:39 <velus> yeah i been ill too im glad my brother kept my business going while i was ill he is a lawyer but also codes lol but now im starting to get better just need to get back in to working
2014-02-21 02:40 <velus> melanie_: im looking into something that someone gave me egress i might look at that and well convert it to my framwork and my system for me to use but coppy the way that connects to the system weather it be in db direct or to the c# apis
2014-02-21 02:40 <melanie_> wes ist still around then :)
2014-02-21 02:41 <velus> dont know lol
2014-02-21 02:41 <melanie_> the original author
2014-02-21 02:41 <melanie_> we worked together on a long-past project
2014-02-21 02:41 <melanie_> of egress, i mean
2014-02-21 02:42 <velus> ok how does egress connect to the system is it db direct or api calls
2014-02-21 02:42 <melanie_> direct, afaik
2014-02-21 02:42 <melanie_> i never saw the code
2014-02-21 02:43 <melanie_> as ultimately my code was used
2014-02-21 02:43 <melanie_> and my code was direct
2014-02-21 02:43 <velus> ok for my site for now i would use the direct system (mainly for my site) but i would like it to be api called after that
2014-02-21 02:43 <dahlia> I thought BlueWall was adding some interfaces to do this kind of thing?
2014-02-21 02:44 <melanie_> dahlia: i'm not aware
2014-02-21 02:45 <dahlia> some robust plugin thingies
2014-02-21 02:45 <dahlia> or extension thingies
2014-02-21 02:45 <dahlia> cant remember now
2014-02-21 02:45 <melanie_> well, that would not support adding, say, fields to the user account
2014-02-21 02:45 <dahlia> adding fields?
2014-02-21 02:45 <melanie_> the main issue is the sanctity of the tables
2014-02-21 02:45 <melanie_> web interfaces for more involved setups need to break that
2014-02-21 02:46 <dahlia> oh I thought this was about adding data, not fields
2014-02-21 02:46 <melanie_> avn has about 10 extra fields in UserAccounts alone
2014-02-21 02:46 <melanie_> plus 30+ tables opensim doesn't have
2014-02-21 02:46 <melanie_> most concerned with money
2014-02-21 02:47 <melanie_> it's quite difficult to manage linked tables
2014-02-21 02:47 <melanie_> like ExtraAccountData
2014-02-21 02:47 <melanie_> and simultaneously update it with the main tables
2014-02-21 02:47 <melanie_> adding fields is much easier and way more robust
2014-02-21 02:48 <velus> yeah it is 
2014-02-21 02:48 <velus> and well it would have more tables too 
2014-02-21 02:50 <dahlia> well these days I avoid anything database related as if it's the plague (which it is)... although my past includes several years of developing business mainframe apps mostly written in some disgusting language that begins with a C and ends with a L and has 3 letters between them
2014-02-21 02:50 <dahlia> apps that were in use by fairly large corporations
2014-02-21 02:51 <melanie_> well, i'm well aware of that language
2014-02-21 02:51 <velus> cobal ?
2014-02-21 02:51 <dahlia> you're fortunate :)
2014-02-21 02:51 <melanie_> bunch of crap in 4 sections lol
2014-02-21 02:52 <melanie_> i decided to cut the OBOL and went with C instead
2014-02-21 02:52 <velus>  know php and work only with php lol oh and html css js mysql well any sql but i cheat with my db stuff i have a bit for it
2014-02-21 02:52 <velus> lol
2014-02-21 02:52 <melanie_> althought i did touch MUMPS
2014-02-21 02:52 <melanie_> which is a language developed for use on hospital systes
2014-02-21 02:53 <dahlia> ya I abandoned anything business computing related learned image processing and my life becake infinately better
2014-02-21 02:53 <velus> MUMPS? OMFG my mate ccode in that for the nhs but they changed it again lol
2014-02-21 02:54 <melanie_> i've been around
2014-02-21 02:54 <dahlia> I heard you can never find enough MUMPS coders
2014-02-21 02:54 <velus> and well they may soon be going to linux for there computers over then next 10 years lol and well they wll be having new programs made when theay do
2014-02-21 02:54 <velus> no you cant lol
2014-02-21 02:54 <melanie_> goot to know
2014-02-21 02:54 <melanie_> if i ever fall on hard times
2014-02-21 02:55 <melanie_> i was pretty good at it
2014-02-21 02:55 <velus> lol
2014-02-21 02:55 <dahlia> well I was pretty good at C***L but I'd never go back unless I was REALLY desparate
2014-02-21 02:56 <dahlia> though I have a few friends who make some pretty good $ at it
2014-02-21 02:56 <melanie_> well, i liked MUMPS' persistent arrays
2014-02-21 02:56 <velus> the last thing my mate wrote in MUMPS for the nhs was a digital radioligy viewer for the new digital xray systems being installed in all nhs hospitals but now codes in pure c++ c and c# lol 
2014-02-21 02:57 <melanie_> 
ACTION codes in everything

2014-02-21 02:57 <melanie_> hack the planet!
2014-02-21 02:57 <velus> lol i do web and web only on php lol
2014-02-21 02:57 <dahlia> I did nothing but c for like 10 years straight, now I barely touch it
2014-02-21 02:57 <velus> ouch
2014-02-21 02:58 <dahlia> c++ is so much nicer and c# every way nicer still
2014-02-21 02:58 <dahlia> but c++ is way to complex in practice
2014-02-21 02:58 <velus> yeah i know lol o my friend keeps shouting
2014-02-21 02:58 <velus> but i love php
2014-02-21 02:58 <dahlia> one can never know enough c++
2014-02-21 02:58 <velus> you never met my mate then  
2014-02-21 02:59 <velus> lol 
2014-02-21 02:59 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION thinks in assembler, and still codes loops to iterate backward

2014-02-21 02:59 <dahlia> like the people who can read and understand boost templates... *shudders*
2014-02-21 02:59 <melanie_> dahlia: and whre is the difficulty in that?
2014-02-21 02:59 <velus> but then my mate has server autisum and well he is well a guru 
2014-02-21 03:00 <dahlia> melanie_: ya well some arent too bad
2014-02-21 03:00 <dahlia> but some are horrid
2014-02-21 03:00 <melanie_> i like the new signals semantics
2014-02-21 03:00 <melanie_> head and shoulders abvoe the old
2014-02-21 03:00 <dahlia> I havent used it
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2014-02-21 03:53 <Plugh> 
ACTION doesn't want to know any C++

2014-02-21 03:53 <Plugh> Darn. I was about to see if velus knew about the fork(?) of Aurora.
2014-02-21 04:48 <LiruCookies> lkalif: How's that UnityBird coming?
2014-02-21 04:48 <lkalif> I didn't do anything past few days
2014-02-21 04:49 <LiruCookies> dahlia: I love templates.
2014-02-21 04:49 <LiruCookies> And I have no issues understandi boost
2014-02-21 05:03 <dahlia> LiruCookies: I like them too but some are pretty difficult to understand. I gues I don't do c++ as much as others do :)
2014-02-21 05:24 <lkalif> c++ is ebil
2014-02-21 05:34 <smxy> SaladBoy strikes again. 13350 physical prims.
2014-02-21 05:35 <smxy> I returned them, then logged out and restarted the region. But when I log in, I still see them, even though they don't show up in About Land anymore.
2014-02-21 05:36 <smxy> How can that be?
2014-02-21 05:40 <smxy> Well, a 'delete object outside' eliminated them. Thogh the didn't look outside to me. Oh well.
2014-02-21 05:40 <smxy> Though* they*
2014-02-21 05:40 <nebadon2> probably lag
2014-02-21 05:40 <nebadon2> so much going on update packets stopped being sent
2014-02-21 05:41 <nebadon2> or were so out of order they couldnt be used
2014-02-21 05:41 <smxy> Maybe. At least it's cleaned up.
2014-02-21 05:41 <smxy> I do wish he'd grow up.
2014-02-21 05:41 <nebadon2> heh ya was just discussing this with fleep not 30 minutes ago
2014-02-21 05:42 <smxy> got her too?
2014-02-21 05:42 <nebadon2> ya
2014-02-21 05:42 <smxy> At least I'm in good company. :)
2014-02-21 05:46 <smxy> It was his usual spheres, but he also threw in a fe Grand Pianos too, lol.
2014-02-21 05:46 <smxy> few*
2014-02-21 05:46 <nebadon2> lol
2014-02-21 07:28 <nebadon2> lol dang the wind really is blowing like 800mph on varregions
2014-02-21 07:28 <nebadon2> haha
2014-02-21 07:28 <nebadon2> my smoke particles are like 90 degree laser beam
2014-02-21 07:29 <Plugh> :)
2014-02-21 07:30 <antont> :)
2014-02-21 07:31 <Plugh> nebadon2: How fast do the blades of your wind turbine spin in a varregion?
2014-02-21 07:31 <nebadon2> they probably shut off
2014-02-21 07:31 <nebadon2> like real ones would haha
2014-02-21 07:31 <Plugh> hehe
2014-02-21 07:31 <nebadon2> I think i programmed them to do that
2014-02-21 07:32 <nebadon2> made my wind chimes do the same
2014-02-21 07:32 <nebadon2> they get annoying if its too windy
2014-02-21 07:41 <nebadon2> hello danbanner
2014-02-21 07:41 <nebadon2> i upgraded robust for osgrid
2014-02-21 07:41 <danbanner> hey neb
2014-02-21 07:41 <nebadon2> no new bake service yet though
2014-02-21 07:41 <nebadon2> just updated it, seems fine
2014-02-21 07:41 <danbanner> ok
2014-02-21 07:41 <nebadon2> varregion maps are still not right on osgrid
2014-02-21 07:41 <nebadon2> very odd
2014-02-21 07:41 <nebadon2> im only seeing prim content in the SW region
2014-02-21 07:42 <nebadon2> i converted OKC Sandbox from a 4x4 mega into a 1024x1024 var
2014-02-21 07:43 <danbanner> the map issue has to be related to not being a single robust instance?
2014-02-21 07:44 <Plugh> nebadon2: are the prims of the four regions all on top of each other in the one corner?
2014-02-21 07:44 <nebadon2> must be danbanner
2014-02-21 07:44 <nebadon2> no Plugh
2014-02-21 07:44 <nebadon2> the SW corner looks proper
2014-02-21 07:45 <nebadon2> and I see the terrain in the other regions, just not the prims
2014-02-21 07:45 <nebadon2> very odd
2014-02-21 07:45 <nebadon2> i dont see this on my big vargrid
2014-02-21 07:45 <Plugh> Time to call it a night.
2014-02-21 07:45 <nebadon2> g'night Plugh
2014-02-21 07:45 <Plugh> Have fun with your varregion, nebadon2
2014-02-21 07:45 <nebadon2> oh wait
2014-02-21 07:45 <nebadon2> i rebooted it and now its right
2014-02-21 07:45 <nebadon2> the maptiles are correct, interesting
2014-02-21 07:46 <nebadon2> sweet, i wonder why first startup it was wrong
2014-02-21 07:46 <nebadon2> maybe my viewer had it cached
2014-02-21 07:46 <nebadon2> map looks great, search OKC Sandbox on map
2014-02-21 07:47 <nebadon2> oh crap I just realized something too
2014-02-21 07:47 <nebadon2> i left megaregion enabled with a var
2014-02-21 07:48 <nebadon2> heh ya don't do that not good
2014-02-21 07:48 <nebadon2> had trouble rezzing anything outside of the initial 256
2014-02-21 08:22 <nebadon2> i converted UCI edu1 on osgrid to varregion now too, i am going to release a new Universal Campus oar for vars
2014-02-21 10:57 <osmantis> Bug #7012:04 Load Oar fails to load Oar file created by previous OS release 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7012 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-21 11:30 <osmantis> Bug #6592:04 Attach event not firing on detach 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6592 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2014-02-21 12:26 <osmantis> Bug #7024:04 llSetKeyframedMotion stopped working with 0.7.6.1 Release 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7024 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-21 12:28 <osmantis> Bug #7024:04 llSetKeyframedMotion stopped working with 0.7.6.1 Release 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7024 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-21 12:57 <Dev_Random> smxy: Saw your comment about objects appearing to be in your region, but weren't...  Maybe this?  http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=2670.
2014-02-21 13:07 <osmantis> Bug #6592:04 Attach event not firing on detach 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6592 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-21 13:14 <osmantis> Bug #6592:04 Attach event not firing on detach 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6592 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-21 13:16 <osmantis> Bug #7026:04 Error thrown on every sim startup [SCENEGRAPH] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7026 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-21 13:25 <osmantis> Bug #7026:04 Error thrown on every sim startup [SCENEGRAPH] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7026 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-21 13:56 <osmantis> Bug #7026:04 Error thrown on every sim startup [SCENEGRAPH] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7026 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-21 13:56 <osmantis> Bug #7026:04 Error thrown on every sim startup [SCENEGRAPH] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7026 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006990.
2014-02-21 13:56 <osmantis> Bug #6990:04 OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.SceneGraph [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6990 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007026.
2014-02-21 13:56 <osmantis> Bug #7026:04 Error thrown on every sim startup [SCENEGRAPH] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7026 ): has been set as DUPLICATE OF issue 0006990.
2014-02-21 13:56 <osmantis> Bug #6990:04 OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.SceneGraph [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6990 ): The issue 0007026 has been set as DUPLICATE OF the following issue.
2014-02-21 14:06 <osmantis> Bug #6990:04 OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.SceneGraph [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6990 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-21 14:51 <osmantis> Bug #6757:04 [BULLETSIM SHAPE] Mesh asset would not mesh. WARN  - OpenSim.Region.Physics.BulletSPlugin.BSScene 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6757 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-21 15:45 <osmantis> Bug #6757:04 [BULLETSIM SHAPE] Mesh asset would not mesh. WARN  - OpenSim.Region.Physics.BulletSPlugin.BSScene 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6757 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-21 15:55 <osmantis> Bug #6990:04 OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.SceneGraph [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6990 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-21 16:00 <Ken_S> Nebadon2, are you seeing the 200 mph wind issue in your var too?
2014-02-21 16:01 <Ken_S> Nevermind, I see in the log that you are seeing the same thing... only 800 mph lol
2014-02-21 16:27 <danbanner> great for sailing races ;p
2014-02-21 16:30 <vegaslon> yep even has a mantis on it too
2014-02-21 16:36 <osmantis> Bug #6787:04 [BULLETSIM SHAPE MESH]: All mesh triangles degenerate and [BULLETSIM SHAPE]: Mesh asset would not mesh. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6787 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-21 16:39 <nebadon2> Ken_S yes I am
2014-02-21 16:39 <osmantis> Bug #6757:04 [BULLETSIM SHAPE] Mesh asset would not mesh. WARN  - OpenSim.Region.Physics.BulletSPlugin.BSScene 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6757 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-21 16:40 <nebadon2> my smoke particles are literally 90 degrees laser beam straight across the horizon
2014-02-21 16:40 <nebadon2> and my flags are also doing same thing
2014-02-21 16:42 <jakdaniels> does osgrid support varregions yet? My varregion registers ok, but it can only send the maptile for the SW corner.
2014-02-21 16:44 <LiruCookies> I thought it did
2014-02-21 16:44 <LiruCookies> But I'm a viewer dev, I wouldn't know much.
2014-02-21 16:45 <osmantis> Bug #6787:04 [BULLETSIM SHAPE MESH]: All mesh triangles degenerate and [BULLETSIM SHAPE]: Mesh asset would not mesh. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6787 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-21 16:48 <nebadon2> jakdaniels yes it does
2014-02-21 16:48 <nebadon2> but something wrong with maptiles
2014-02-21 16:48 <nebadon2> I need to talk to Misterblue today when he shows up
2014-02-21 16:49 <jakdaniels> hi neb. My Opensim complained for each maptile that the region didn't exist.
2014-02-21 16:49 <nebadon2> yes
2014-02-21 16:49 <nebadon2> I think its because we run the maptile service in its own robust console
2014-02-21 16:50 <jakdaniels> I was thinking of starting to look at improving the static maptiles per region that I did before, but making it work for varregions. But I will wait until dynamic maptiles works first!
2014-02-21 16:50 <nebadon2> well maptiles do work for varregions in a standard setup
2014-02-21 16:50 <nebadon2> single robust server or standalone
2014-02-21 16:50 <nebadon2> OSgrid is not a standard setup
2014-02-21 16:52 <jakdaniels> ok...perhaps I will setup a standalone to use for development, but maybe I should still wait while the maptile codebase is being tinkered with
2014-02-21 16:53 <jakdaniels> I need to figure out also how to define multiple maptileUUIDs in one region block in regions.ini and define their position
2014-02-21 16:54 <nebadon2> ya that would be good static tiles definitely dont work right with varregions I dont think
2014-02-21 16:55 <jakdaniels> something like perhaps making MaptileStaticUUID a comma separated list perhaps going SW->SE->NW->NE ?
2014-02-21 16:56 <lkalif> it should work without such hacks
2014-02-21 16:57 <osmantis> Bug #6787:04 [BULLETSIM SHAPE MESH]: All mesh triangles degenerate and [BULLETSIM SHAPE]: Mesh asset would not mesh. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6787 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-21 16:58 <jakdaniels> what do you mean hacks? I'm talking about extending the current ability to define a static maptileUUID per region to varregions.
2014-02-21 16:59 <jakdaniels> A varregion is one region but would need multiple textures for the map due to the 1024x1024 texture size limit
2014-02-21 17:00 <LiruCookies> You limit texture size in opensim?
2014-02-21 17:01 <jakdaniels> uncompressed texture sizes i think
2014-02-21 17:01 <nebadon2> I think allowing support for really large textures is probably not a good thing
2014-02-21 17:02 <lkalif> jakdaniels: grid service knows the size of the region
2014-02-21 17:02 <jakdaniels> anything over that and it gets compressed i think
2014-02-21 17:02 <lkalif> viewer scales the tile appropriately
2014-02-21 17:02 <lkalif> no need for multiple images
2014-02-21 17:02 <jakdaniels> ok then you get resolution degredation
2014-02-21 17:02 <nebadon2> ya but if you have a region thats say 4096x4096 meters
2014-02-21 17:03 <nebadon2> a 1024x1024 texture wont look real great in the map window
2014-02-21 17:03 <LiruCookies> lkalif:  Do we ever actually use it at full res?
2014-02-21 17:03 <jakdaniels> am i right in thinking anyway that the world map et all use 256x256 per region?
2014-02-21 17:03 <nebadon2> it does
2014-02-21 17:04 <lkalif> nebadon2: how much resolution screen you got?
2014-02-21 17:04 <nebadon2> I have a similar issue
2014-02-21 17:04 <lkalif> 1024 for a maptile is fine
2014-02-21 17:04 <nebadon2> well that doesnt really matter if your zoomed in 100%
2014-02-21 17:05 <nebadon2> ya i dunno, like jak said a standard maptile for a region is 256x256
2014-02-21 17:05 <nebadon2> if you stretch a 1024x1024 over a 4096x4096 varregion cell
2014-02-21 17:05 <jakdaniels> surely i would still have to chop it up into 256x256 bits, unless we start changing the world map code and the viewer code?
2014-02-21 17:05 <nebadon2> your streching 1 pixel to 4m
2014-02-21 17:05 <nebadon2> 4m resolution is bad
2014-02-21 17:05 <nebadon2> very pixelated
2014-02-21 17:06 <LiruCookies> I think we're okay on the viewer side..
2014-02-21 17:06 <nebadon2> the viewer can display larger than 1024x1024
2014-02-21 17:06 <nebadon2> but it wont let you upload them
2014-02-21 17:06 <lkalif> nobody should be ussign 4096 regions anyway
2014-02-21 17:06 <jakdaniels> but the viewer still wants one image per 256x256 region does it not?
2014-02-21 17:06 <nebadon2> correct jakdaniels
2014-02-21 17:06 <lkalif> ´2048 is more realitsic upper limit
2014-02-21 17:07 <lkalif> unless you want to kill the viewers
2014-02-21 17:07 <nebadon2> ya your still stretching the teture
2014-02-21 17:07 <nebadon2> the point is that you can do standard maptile resolution on larger regions
2014-02-21 17:07 <jakdaniels> so best to leave that alone and just make sure the simulator send all the images it needs to cover the map area in question
2014-02-21 17:07 <LiruCookies> lkalif: The viewer handled 8192 fine back in the Voodoo days
2014-02-21 17:07 <lkalif> LiruCookies: if you have enough ram
2014-02-21 17:07 <lkalif> LiruCookies: and you run on Aurora
2014-02-21 17:07 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Well, yar, I did..
2014-02-21 17:07 <lkalif> opensim will kill it
2014-02-21 17:08 <LiruCookies> Opernsim will?  that's sad.
2014-02-21 17:08 <LiruCookies> -r
2014-02-21 17:08 <jakdaniels> but varregions are early days yet
2014-02-21 17:08 <LiruCookies> Something Aurora has over opensim...
2014-02-21 17:09 <lkalif> it's better in most technical aspects
2014-02-21 17:09 <lkalif> too bad revolution went to college and discovered girls lol
2014-02-21 17:09 <nebadon2> lol
2014-02-21 17:09 <LiruCookies> What's "girl"?
2014-02-21 17:10 <LiruCookies> a^
2014-02-21 17:10 <jakdaniels> real girls, not 'furry' ones ;-)
2014-02-21 17:10 <lkalif> female of a human species
2014-02-21 17:10 <LiruCookies> Sounds yucky..
2014-02-21 17:11 <LiruCookies> Do they bite?
2014-02-21 17:14 <nebadon2> I think even on a 8096 your going to run into issues outside of the viewer
2014-02-21 17:14 <nebadon2> like physics and script engines
2014-02-21 17:15 <LiruCookies> 4096, 8192
2014-02-21 17:15 <nebadon2> if you were to populate that whole region like a 256x256
2014-02-21 17:15 <nebadon2> you probably wouldnt get even 1/4 of it filled
2014-02-21 17:15 <nebadon2> before it starts crashing on the sim side
2014-02-21 17:15 <nebadon2> even with Aurora
2014-02-21 17:15 <nebadon2> if all you want is a flat plane then its probably fine
2014-02-21 17:16 <LiruCookies> Nah, the Aurora I used had a massive city
2014-02-21 17:16 <LiruCookies> Like New York
2014-02-21 17:16 <lkalif> i think people should really think of 2048 as the upper limit
2014-02-21 17:16 <nebadon2> ya but how many scripts
2014-02-21 17:16 <lkalif> for opensim
2014-02-21 17:16 <nebadon2> you cant run 100,000 scripts
2014-02-21 17:16 <LiruCookies> Who uses that many scripts?
2014-02-21 17:16 <vegaslon> unless you tell all your guests to disable the ground plane on the veiwer
2014-02-21 17:16 <jakdaniels> we always eventually outgrow 'upper limits' :-)
2014-02-21 17:16 <nebadon2> i mean if you were to max out 8196x8196 with the same amount of content as a 256x256 could hold maxxed out
2014-02-21 17:17 <nebadon2> 15k prims and say 2000 scripts per 256x256m cell
2014-02-21 17:17 <jakdaniels> yeah the only difference is the distance between objects
2014-02-21 17:17 <lkalif> 8192 is 1024 regular sized regions
2014-02-21 17:17 <nebadon2> ya
2014-02-21 17:18 <nebadon2> thats a ton of content if you built it out like LL mainland style
2014-02-21 17:18 <nebadon2> in SL ive seen regions with 15000 scripts
2014-02-21 17:18 <lkalif> SL has much better script engine, it can handle it
2014-02-21 17:18 <LiruCookies> 
ACTION builds a bunch of worker barracks and a casino and a couple fisheries and a depot...

2014-02-21 17:18 <nebadon2> lol
2014-02-21 17:20 <nebadon2> physics become an issue too at some point
2014-02-21 17:20 <nebadon2> physics is single thread
2014-02-21 17:21 <nebadon2> not to mention startup times can be outrageous with a lot of content
2014-02-21 17:21 <nebadon2> even Wright Plaza with its flotsam cache cleared and fresh script compiling takes 15 minutes to start up
2014-02-21 17:21 <Plugh> 15 minutes!??
2014-02-21 17:21 <Plugh> yikes
2014-02-21 17:21 <nebadon2> its 30k prims and something like 4500 visible textures
2014-02-21 17:21 <nebadon2> the OAR is 1.3gb or something
2014-02-21 17:23 <danbanner> wow teleport out of a var back to lbsa messes up bad
2014-02-21 17:23 <jakdaniels> changing the subject slightly... I'm using singularity on osgrid. I did a search for Robert Adams in the All tab in the search window. I got hundreds of results for different users, each listed *twice*. If i search in people then i still get lots of users *once* but not the one I was looking for! Is this normal?
2014-02-21 17:23 <nebadon2> thats odd danbanner
2014-02-21 17:23 <danbanner> http://i.imgur.com/HWnW5jm.png
2014-02-21 17:23 <nebadon2> i was doing a bunch of teleporting last night and no problems
2014-02-21 17:23 <nebadon2> is Lbsa updated?
2014-02-21 17:23 <danbanner> yes
2014-02-21 17:24 <nebadon2> off
2014-02-21 17:24 <danbanner> ent me to 310,127
2014-02-21 17:24 <nebadon2> odd*
2014-02-21 17:24 <nebadon2> let me try from mine
2014-02-21 17:24 <danbanner> and i cant get back to center of lbsa
2014-02-21 17:24 <danbanner> teleport from outside the 256
2014-02-21 17:25 <nebadon2> k
2014-02-21 17:26 <nebadon2> made it no problem danbanner
2014-02-21 17:26 <danbanner> odd
2014-02-21 17:26 <danbanner> i teleported to sbp and all i could see is one sim
2014-02-21 17:26 <zadark_afk> I am seeing the same thing Dan, seem to deliver the avi the the edge of the recieving region
2014-02-21 17:26 <danbanner> emme relog
2014-02-21 17:26 <nebadon2> ya last night i was teleporting around a lot after i switchd all my megas over
2014-02-21 17:26 <nebadon2> and didnt fail once
2014-02-21 17:26 <nebadon2> your vars are updated?
2014-02-21 17:27 <danbanner> well using the osgrid build
2014-02-21 17:27 <zadark_afk> all vars at dev / master
2014-02-21 17:27 <nebadon2> hmm ok
2014-02-21 17:27 <nebadon2> wonder why i made it ok
2014-02-21 17:27 <nebadon2> what size var?
2014-02-21 17:27 <nebadon2> let me try from OKC Sandbox its larger
2014-02-21 17:27 <danbanner> try fc9930e
2014-02-21 17:28 <danbanner> its a 4096
2014-02-21 17:28 <danbanner> thought i'd give a big one a shot
2014-02-21 17:32 <danbanner> fps kind of sucks looking at 256 region worth of land
2014-02-21 17:34 <nebadon2> i cant make it fail
2014-02-21 17:34 <nebadon2> ive teleported several times now
2014-02-21 17:34 <nebadon2> works every time here
2014-02-21 17:34 <nebadon2> running latest Singularity?
2014-02-21 17:36 <Dev_Random> does it matter where you are in the region when you teleport out?  e.g. centre of region vs edge?
2014-02-21 17:36 <nebadon2> i teleported from the far NW corner of my 1024x1024 to lbsa
2014-02-21 17:37 <nebadon2> i was literally standing like 1m from the edge
2014-02-21 17:37 <Dev_Random> was just a thought.
2014-02-21 17:38 <nebadon2> 4096 might just be to large
2014-02-21 17:38 <nebadon2> i personally wouldnt go beyond 2048
2014-02-21 17:41 <danbanner> might be firestorm issue idk
2014-02-21 17:42 <danbanner> ya until draw distance issues get worked out i think keeping it under 2048 is probably best
2014-02-21 17:42 <nebadon2> oh
2014-02-21 17:42 <nebadon2> ya might try Singularity
2014-02-21 17:42 <nebadon2> see if you get same results
2014-02-21 17:42 <danbanner> ya lemme give it a shot
2014-02-21 17:43 <zadark_afk> Seems to be some instability, as yet difficult to pin down a specific conditions,
2014-02-21 17:44 <Ken_S> Some are having TP issues into a var running dev master from the latest osg release sims
2014-02-21 17:49 <zadark_afk> lkalif LiruCookies Opensim EntityTransferModule contains the following comment
2014-02-21 17:49 <zadark_afk> // THE VIEWERS SEEM TO NEED SOME TIME AFTER RECEIVING MoveAgentIntoRegion
2014-02-21 17:49 <zadark_afk> // BEFORE THEY SETTLE IN THE NEW REGION.
2014-02-21 17:49 <zadark_afk> This is resolved by Thread.Sleep(15000);
2014-02-21 17:49 <zadark_afk> A suggestion as to a better solution, say some signal from the vier?
2014-02-21 17:50 <lkalif> that has nothing to do with the viewer
2014-02-21 17:51 <lkalif> probably some workaround for some opensim race
2014-02-21 17:53 <zadark_afk> lkalif: Thanks
2014-02-21 17:54 <lkalif> let me look it up though
2014-02-21 17:54 <zadark_afk> much appreciated
2014-02-21 17:54 <lkalif> which file is that?
2014-02-21 17:55 <zadark_afk> EntityTransferModule.cs do you need the full path?
2014-02-21 17:55 <lkalif> no, that'll do
2014-02-21 18:00 <lkalif> zadark_afk: it's probably more waiting for the network 
2014-02-21 18:01 <nebadon2> might have something to do with the cloud avatar issue
2014-02-21 18:04 <zadark_afk> I will set up some experiments to determine what the network exchange is actually doing
2014-02-21 18:04 <zadark_afk> again thanks
2014-02-21 18:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #3310 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-21 18:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3310: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3310/
2014-02-21 18:10 <osjenkins> * diva: Added 2 new behavirors to pCampBot. These are part of a systematic study I'm doing for understanding the load that AgentUpdate packets incur on the server.
2014-02-21 18:10 <osjenkins> * diva: Added 2 new behaviors to pCampBot
2014-02-21 18:31 <vegaslon> 
ACTION secretly says "yay" for finding the fix to the wind on varregions

2014-02-21 18:31 <nebadon2> nice
2014-02-21 18:31 <Plugh> No more 800mph wind?
2014-02-21 18:31 <vegaslon> yep
2014-02-21 18:32 <nebadon2> you going to post a patch?
2014-02-21 18:32 <vegaslon> I will post it, he may not use it.
2014-02-21 18:33 <nebadon2> k cool
2014-02-21 18:34 <vegaslon> ended up taking two methods from aurora-sim
2014-02-21 18:36 <lkalif> there is a lot of code in aurora that should replace similar opensim code
2014-02-21 18:38 <vegaslon> should not be a problem since he commented the two methods in opensim as being unused, which come for find out they are being used
2014-02-21 18:40 <nebadon2> I am so confused as to why maptiles for varregion arent working proprely on osgrid
2014-02-21 18:40 <nebadon2> doesnt make sense
2014-02-21 18:40 <danbanner> has to be the right hand doesnt know what the left is doing
2014-02-21 18:40 <danbanner> and split services
2014-02-21 18:41 <danbanner> on*
2014-02-21 18:41 <nebadon2> i tried adding the GridServiceConnector to the maptile process
2014-02-21 18:41 <nebadon2> but that didnt help
2014-02-21 18:42 <nebadon2> you get these errors
2014-02-21 18:42 <nebadon2> 09:46:29 - [MAP IMAGE CONNECTOR]: Map post to http://maptiles.osgrid.org:80/map failed: Region not found at given coordinates
2014-02-21 18:42 <danbanner> ya i get the same
2014-02-21 18:43 <nebadon2> I wonder if its because we don't allow duplicate names
2014-02-21 18:43 <danbanner> hmm
2014-02-21 18:43 <danbanner> whats the default?
2014-02-21 18:43 <nebadon2> let me look
2014-02-21 18:44 <nebadon2> its true
2014-02-21 18:44 <nebadon2> default allows for duplicates
2014-02-21 18:44 <danbanner> hmm
2014-02-21 18:44 <nebadon2> i bet that is why
2014-02-21 18:44 <nebadon2> lets test
2014-02-21 18:44 <danbanner> but it says region not found
2014-02-21 18:44 <nebadon2> right at those coordinates
2014-02-21 18:44 <nebadon2> which makes sense if we dont allow dupes
2014-02-21 18:44 <danbanner> oh ok
2014-02-21 18:45 <nebadon2> all the regions have same name
2014-02-21 18:45 <danbanner> dupes might be bad tho
2014-02-21 18:45 <nebadon2> so maybe robust is being cut off from vital functions
2014-02-21 18:45 <nebadon2> oh ya its ba
2014-02-21 18:45 <nebadon2> but we need to test
2014-02-21 18:45 <danbanner> ok
2014-02-21 18:45 <nebadon2> then i'll put it back
2014-02-21 18:46 <nebadon2> hmm actually i wonder if just setting it in the maptile service is enough
2014-02-21 18:46 <nebadon2> lets try that first
2014-02-21 18:47 <danbanner> doesnt seem to have helped
2014-02-21 18:47 <smxy> heh, I was standing there, just now, when SaladBoy arrived and started rezzing spheres. I couldn't freeze or eject him so I shut down the sim.
2014-02-21 18:47 <smxy> I'll bring it back up and turn off rez
2014-02-21 18:47 <danbanner> hes still visiting you?
2014-02-21 18:47 <smxy> he nailed me yesterday. I cleaned up. now he's back.
2014-02-21 18:47 <danbanner> jeez
2014-02-21 18:48 <danbanner> hes got you before too
2014-02-21 18:48 <smxy> yes, this is the 3rd or 4th time now
2014-02-21 18:48 <danbanner> local account?
2014-02-21 18:49 <nebadon2> ok ya that didnt help
2014-02-21 18:49 <smxy> no. I turned on auth for account creation and don't approve them anymore for him
2014-02-21 18:49 <nebadon2> let me try disable it in the grid services itself
2014-02-21 18:49 <smxy> he is HG TPing in now
2014-02-21 18:49 <danbanner> HG from where?
2014-02-21 18:49 <smxy> speculoos now
2014-02-21 18:49 <danbanner> lol
2014-02-21 18:49 <lkalif> put his IP in the firewall
2014-02-21 18:49 <danbanner> dynamic 
2014-02-21 18:49 <lkalif> how dynamic?
2014-02-21 18:50 <lkalif> c-block?
2014-02-21 18:50 <danbanner> very
2014-02-21 18:50 <lkalif> hmm
2014-02-21 18:50 <danbanner> 31.x.x.x 110.x.x.x, etc
2014-02-21 18:51 <smxy> ugh. once one was rezzed it multiplied when I brought the sim up. I have thousands now
2014-02-21 18:52 <nebadon2> all you have to do is block the grid he is HG'ing from
2014-02-21 18:52 <nebadon2> and he cant make it
2014-02-21 18:52 <nebadon2> and then try to contact the grid and have them deal with it
2014-02-21 18:52 <nebadon2> then you unblock them
2014-02-21 18:52 <nebadon2> sucks but I dont see any other solution right now
2014-02-21 18:53 <danbanner> nebadon2: i see 10:52:21 - [MAP IMAGE HANDLER]: IP address 76.31.193.98 may be rogue. Region not found at coordinates 7030-6965
2014-02-21 18:53 <nebadon2> on Robust?
2014-02-21 18:53 <danbanner> ya
2014-02-21 18:53 <danbanner> one for each location 
2014-02-21 18:53 <nebadon2> ya some kind of check to prevent spoofing
2014-02-21 18:53 <nebadon2> what I dont get is why it works on my other grid
2014-02-21 18:53 <nebadon2> but not osgrid, its so strange
2014-02-21 18:54 <nebadon2> changing dupe setting has no effect
2014-02-21 18:55 <smxy> I am almost never able to contact other grids and my region is an HG hub used by many people. I can't be blocking grids. :(
2014-02-21 18:55 <smxy> Just going to have to make sure no one can rez in this region any more.
2014-02-21 18:56 <smxy> I don;t understand why they keep replicating. I went to Region, Debug and disabled scripts, collisions and physics.
2014-02-21 18:56 <smxy> But they keep multiplying, fast
2014-02-21 18:56 <smxy> I did click 'apply' too
2014-02-21 18:57 <danbanner> turn off scripts in the ini and remove all his prims
2014-02-21 18:57 <smxy> I should be able to disable scripts in-world, shouldn't I?
2014-02-21 18:58 <velus> hey all hey Ken_S 
2014-02-21 18:59 <smxy> trying from region prompt now
2014-02-21 18:59 <smxy> with a 'scripts stop'
2014-02-21 19:00 <danbanner> smxy: i'd do it in the ini just to make sure they cant start even for a second and remove his prims
2014-02-21 19:01 <nebadon2> hmm
2014-02-21 19:01 <danbanner> maybe his script lags the sim so bad you cant catch it in time
2014-02-21 19:01 <nebadon2> I think i might have fixed it, not sure
2014-02-21 19:01 <nebadon2> no errors so far, maybe IM not waiting long enough
2014-02-21 19:01 <danbanner> WOOT@
2014-02-21 19:01 <danbanner> !
2014-02-21 19:01 <danbanner> looks good
2014-02-21 19:01 <osmantis> Bug #7013:04 Varregion with Bulletsim, wind appears to be blowing 200 mph 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7013 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-21 19:02 <danbanner> i see all my tiles getting uploaded
2014-02-21 19:02 <nebadon2> great
2014-02-21 19:02 <nebadon2> i had to comment something out in maptile service
2014-02-21 19:02 <nebadon2> strange
2014-02-21 19:02 <nebadon2> [MapImageService]
2014-02-21 19:02 <nebadon2> in this section
2014-02-21 19:02 <nebadon2> ;GridService = "OpenSim.Services.GridService.dll:GridService"
2014-02-21 19:02 <nebadon2> commented that out
2014-02-21 19:03 <nebadon2> now it works
2014-02-21 19:03 <osmantis> Bug #7013:04 Varregion with Bulletsim, wind appears to be blowing 200 mph 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7013 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-02-21 19:03 <nebadon2> which is actually the default 
2014-02-21 19:03 <nebadon2> no idea why i had that uncommented, hopefully other stuff doesnt break
2014-02-21 19:03 <danbanner> hmm ya we'll see lol
2014-02-21 19:03 <nebadon2> indeed lol
2014-02-21 19:04 <nebadon2> well im glad its working though
2014-02-21 19:04 <nebadon2> what a pain
2014-02-21 19:05 <velus> yeah i had my tooth extracted today and now my jaw is crubling litterly
2014-02-21 19:05 <nebadon2> the new Warp3D tiles look really good
2014-02-21 19:06 <nebadon2> check out UCI edu1 on map
2014-02-21 19:06 <nebadon2> looks awesome
2014-02-21 19:06 <velus> send us link to look at it please
2014-02-21 19:06 <nebadon2> now we just need to figure out the mesh issue
2014-02-21 19:08 <nebadon2> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/warp3d_varregion_osgrid_01.png
2014-02-21 19:08 <nebadon2> there you go velus
2014-02-21 19:09 <nebadon2> still got that stupid white strip
2014-02-21 19:09 <nebadon2> but it looks pretty good otherwise
2014-02-21 19:09 <velus> nice
2014-02-21 19:10 <lkalif> yeah revolution did a nice job. damn those college girls :P
2014-02-21 19:10 <velus> lol
2014-02-21 19:13 <vegaslon> ya feels good to get the wind fixed after finally getting a day to look at
2014-02-21 19:21 <nebadon2> varregions are really awesome
2014-02-21 19:22 <danbanner> damn i wish i could try all the vehicles i have in sl on a var
2014-02-21 19:22 <smxy> Finally cleaned up SB's latest attack. Sigh.
2014-02-21 19:29 <jakdaniels> does osgrid support the OfflineIM.V2 module? I keep getting exceptions from it on startup.
2014-02-21 19:29 <danbanner> smxy see PM
2014-02-21 19:30 <danbanner> jakdaniels: we dont use any V2 services
2014-02-21 19:31 <jakdaniels> ok thanks danbanner... I've been out of the loop so to speak for a while and there have been quite a few new developments, but I don't know what is supported on osgrid
2014-02-21 19:31 <danbanner> we have example ini's for osgrid on http://www.osgrid.org/index.php/downloads
2014-02-21 19:32 <jakdaniels> yes i've just been looking at them to try fix various startup exceptions
2014-02-21 19:38 <danbanner> those examples should work as is
2014-02-21 19:48 <nebadon2> saw you flying around OKC Sandbox vegaslon, cool vehicle
2014-02-21 19:48 <vegaslon> yep is a cool vehicle
2014-02-21 19:49 <nebadon2> is that a freebie?
2014-02-21 19:49 <danbanner> someone say cool?
2014-02-21 19:49 <vegaslon> nope not yet
2014-02-21 19:50 <vegaslon> the script is straight from sl though
2014-02-21 19:51 <nebadon2> ah ok, well if you do share it let me know, id love a copy :)
2014-02-21 19:53 <vegaslon> https://code.google.com/p/lsl-code-library/source/browse/trunk/vehicles/?r=12#vehicles%2FBaseStar%20-%20Boxed%2FBaseStar%20Assault there is the scripts for it
2014-02-21 19:54 <nebadon2> works pretty good if its unmodified
2014-02-21 19:57 <vegaslon> sure it could work better in flight mode
2014-02-21 20:40 <osmantis> Bug #7027:04 Bulletsim-- patch to fix vehicle hovering not being disabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7027 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-21 20:40 <osmantis> Bug #7027:04 Bulletsim-- patch to fix vehicle hovering not being disabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7027 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-02-21 20:53 <osmantis> Bug #7015:04 [VARREGION] Teleporting between neighbors prims disappearing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7015 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-21 21:27 <osmantis> Bug #6993:04 VAR: maptiles do not show up 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6993 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-21 21:31 <osmantis> Bug #7028:04 [PATCH] PhysicalPrimMax to 64m for ini Default files to enable standard size prims and mesh to be used with vehicles. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7028 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-21 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #7028:04 [PATCH] PhysicalPrimMax to 64m for ini Default files to enable standard size prims and mesh to be used with vehicles. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7028 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-02-21 22:09 <Lani_Global> My first PATCH ever. Please don't laugh.
2014-02-21 22:51 <danbanner> wow seems renaming an existing var goes very wrong
2014-02-21 22:54 <osmantis> Bug #7028:04 [PATCH] PhysicalPrimMax to 64m for ini Default files to enable standard size prims and mesh to be used with vehicles. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7028 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-02-21 23:05 <Ken_S> Wind speed patch is working great on vars.
2014-02-21 23:06 <Ken_S> nebadon2, you must have updated Robust because all maptiles are working on vars now
2014-02-21 23:06 <danbanner> was a ini setting
2014-02-21 23:06 <danbanner> and we also updated robust
2014-02-21 23:14 <djphil_> Ken_S, you have try with the configurable wind module too (with scripts functions) ?
2014-02-21 23:16 <vegaslon> I did change windspeed on the random wind module and it worked
2014-02-21 23:17 <osmantis> Bug #7012:04 Load Oar fails to load Oar file created by previous OS release 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7012 ): has been CLOSED
2014-02-21 23:19 <osmantis> Bug #6990:04 OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.SceneGraph [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6990 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-21 23:20 <djphil_> with this function ? http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsSetWindParam
2014-02-21 23:20 <djphil_> all param's ?
2014-02-21 23:24 <Ken_S> djphil, no I used a patch in Mantis that someone submitted today. Its not in dev master yet, but it does work.
2014-02-21 23:25 <djphil_> ok, tank you
2014-02-21 23:45 <Ken_S> danbanner, what happened when you renamed a var?
2014-02-21 23:45 <danbanner> it didnt change in the db
2014-02-21 23:45 <danbanner> i had to deregister
2014-02-21 23:46 <danbanner> then it used the new name
2014-02-21 23:46 <Ken_S> Since my ODE boats arent working in Bullet, was going to rename Moorea Sailing Moorea Racing lol
2014-02-21 23:46 <nebadon2> let me test taht
2014-02-21 23:48 <Ken_S> Anyone here having any luck with motorboat or sailing scripts with Bulletsim?
2014-02-21 23:54 <osmantis> Bug #7013:04 Varregion with Bulletsim, wind appears to be blowing 200 mph 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7013 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-22 01:10 <Vanessa> Hello, can someone help me resolve this error. ;)  GDI+ status: FontFamilyNotFound
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2014-02-22 02:56 <nebadon2> hello Misterblue
2014-02-22 02:57 <nebadon2> I figured out the maptile issue on osgrid
2014-02-22 02:57 <nebadon2> was a configuration issue
2014-02-22 02:57 <nebadon2> in [MapImageService] section
2014-02-22 02:57 <nebadon2> had to comment this out > ;GridService = "OpenSim.Services.GridService.dll:GridService"
2014-02-22 02:58 <nebadon2> no idea why i had it uncommented in the first place, the default setting has it commented out too
2014-02-22 02:58 <Misterblue> I saw a note in the mantis about it being fixed... glad it works now
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2014-02-22 03:47 <KeyGruin_> the maptiles still show up as only one 256m square in the website map however: http://i.imgur.com/6UzshUc.png
2014-02-22 04:25 <nebadon2> hmm ya
2014-02-22 04:25 <nebadon2> that map is definitely not going to work with varregions KeyGruin_
2014-02-22 04:25 <nebadon2> unfortunately
2014-02-22 05:05 <KeyGruin_> ahh bummer
2014-02-22 11:48 <osmantis> Bug #7030:04 Teleport often fails for local avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7030 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-22 11:51 <osmantis> Bug #7030:04 Teleport often fails for local avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7030 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-02-22 13:01 <osmantis> Bug #6990:04 OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.SceneGraph [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6990 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-22 13:41 <dadix> hello all
2014-02-22 13:42 <dadix> can be opesimulator moded like minetest for example?
2014-02-22 14:02 <LiruCookies> Can opensource be modified?
2014-02-24 23:01 <velus> BlueWall: you about?
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2014-02-25 02:01 <nebadon_laptop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-98phm8jMo&hd=1
2014-02-25 02:06 <osmantis> Bug #7036:04 Teleports between regions in a mega-region do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7036 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-25 02:07 <Misterblue> very pretty, Nebadon_laptop
2014-02-25 02:07 <nebadon_laptop> ya made it with L3DT
2014-02-25 02:07 <nebadon_laptop> has specular and normal maps in a 768x768 varregion its 9 mesh tiles
2014-02-25 02:09 <Misterblue> I had the brainstorm this morning of creating terrain meshes on the fly -- don't ship terrain patches but just compute a mesh and ship that
2014-02-25 02:09 <Misterblue> it could have a fixed splat map so all viewers would see the same thing
2014-02-25 02:10 <Misterblue> you're showing what can be done with meshes :)
2014-02-25 02:10 <Misterblue> have you ever run across this project? https://www.eqnlandmark.com/home
2014-02-25 02:12 <nebadon_laptop> looking
2014-02-25 02:12 <nebadon_laptop> no
2014-02-25 02:12 <nebadon_laptop> I dont do much gaming for a while now
2014-02-25 02:12 <Misterblue> it is an "online social building game" that uses the Everquest engine
2014-02-25 02:12 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2014-02-25 02:12 <nebadon_laptop> any good?
2014-02-25 02:13 <Misterblue> you build citites then they are transfered to Everquest Next for group play
2014-02-25 02:13 <Misterblue> haven't done much yet... but it has all the stuff for mining and crafting and claiming
2014-02-25 02:15 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2014-02-25 02:15 <nebadon_laptop> ya I could never get into these kind of games
2014-02-25 02:15 <osmantis> Bug #7036:04 Teleports between regions in a mega-region do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7036 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-02-25 02:16 <Misterblue> it is SL with the game features... games can be built if that's what you want to do
2014-02-25 02:16 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2014-02-25 02:16 <nebadon_laptop> is it free?
2014-02-25 02:17 <Misterblue> don't think so... just found it myself
2014-02-25 02:17 <Misterblue> I've been fretting about the future of virtual worlds... what is needed to take this all to the next level
2014-02-25 02:17 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-02-25 02:18 <Misterblue> if that Rift thing is going to change things (as the pundits say), what should be in OpenSim
2014-02-25 02:19 <Misterblue> or its successor
2014-02-25 02:19 <nebadon_laptop> hmm ya I am not convinced the Rift is going to get us very far
2014-02-25 02:19 <nebadon_laptop> I havent tried it yet, but the fact you cant see mouse and keyboard or anything realy but the screens is a big limiting factor
2014-02-25 02:19 <nebadon_laptop> I cant really see how I would make very good use of it
2014-02-25 02:19 <nebadon_laptop> other than wowing people for 5 minutes at a time
2014-02-25 02:21 <Misterblue> 
ACTION needs to start a company that some crazy person buys for $16B

2014-02-25 02:21 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-02-25 02:33 <dahlia> I like games for those times when my brain is not functioning and I don't have a TV so.... YAY GAMES :D
2014-02-25 02:33 <Plugh> yea. I'd settle for selling one for a few hundred million. I'm not greedy.
2014-02-25 02:35 <dahlia> dunno I kinda think payint 19B for a instant message app is a mark of desperation for FB
2014-02-25 02:35 <dahlia> if I had FB stock I'd be a bit concerned...
2014-02-25 02:39 <dahlia> I heard that works out to $42/user, all of which either use the app for free or pay $1/year
2014-02-25 02:40 <dahlia> I may not be the smartest business person on the planet but that doesn't really make much sense to me *scratches head*....
2014-02-25 02:43 <velus> Ken_S: you about???
2014-02-25 03:54 <nebadon_laptop> dahlia, now Facebook will make advertising revenue from those users as well
2014-02-25 03:54 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-02-25 03:55 <nebadon_laptop> more data to harvest! 
2014-02-25 03:57 <dahlia> nebadon_laptop: if it's only worth $1/year to them for the ad free one, well.... 
2014-02-25 03:59 <nebadon_laptop> knowing facebook they are just dumping cash to avoid taxes or something lol
2014-02-25 03:59 <nebadon_laptop> atleast they get something for their loss
2014-02-25 04:00 <dahlia> $19 billion is a lot of cash to dump
2014-02-25 04:00 <nebadon_laptop> its all relative
2014-02-25 04:00 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-02-25 04:00 <dahlia> its like 25 years of their projected net profit
2014-02-25 04:03 <nebadon_laptop> lol ya I dont see facebook being around for another 25 years lol
2014-02-25 04:03 <nebadon_laptop> they are pretty much the next myspace / aol
2014-02-25 04:03 <dahlia> lol I dont either
2014-02-25 04:04 <dahlia> I heard they were desperate because younger people dont use FB anymore but they are using WhatsApp
2014-02-25 04:05 <dahlia> but one would think one could start a new instant message company for a lot less than 19B
2014-02-25 04:06 <nebadon_laptop> well you know the old saying how do you make a million dollars in the stock market
2014-02-25 04:06 <nebadon_laptop> invest a billion
2014-02-25 04:06 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-02-25 04:06 <dahlia> lol ya
2014-02-25 04:10 <dahlia> FB, being an advertising company, should be able to market an app and drive it's success
2014-02-25 04:11 <dahlia> and it's not like instant messaging is out of their technology space already
2014-02-25 04:13 <dahlia> 
ACTION suspects that perhaps there were some wild parties and some o.0 photos involved in the decision....

2014-02-25 04:13 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-02-25 04:30 <osmantis> Bug #6989:04 Map Tiles: Prims with diagonal GREATER than TexturePrimSize do not have colour applied 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6989 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-25 05:11 <osmantis> Bug #6989:04 Map Tiles: Prims with diagonal GREATER than TexturePrimSize do not have colour applied 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6989 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-02-25 10:37 <osmantis> Bug #6989:04 Map Tiles: Prims with diagonal GREATER than TexturePrimSize do not have colour applied 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6989 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-25 10:49 <osmantis> Bug #6989:04 Map Tiles: Prims with diagonal GREATER than TexturePrimSize do not have colour applied 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6989 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-25 10:52 <osmantis> Bug #6989:04 Map Tiles: Prims with diagonal GREATER than TexturePrimSize do not have colour applied 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6989 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-02-25 13:40 <osmantis> Bug #7000:04 [PATCH] Allow Shell environment variables in Robust config files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7000 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-25 15:41 <osmantis> Bug #7018:04 [PATCH] Add Varregion support to Terragen Terrain handler 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7018 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-25 15:59 <osmantis> Bug #7000:04 [PATCH] Allow Shell environment variables in Robust config files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7000 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-02-25 20:15 <velus>  hello is there any documentation on the configuring the whole opensim.ini and the robust.ini
2014-02-25 20:15 <velus> and the port numbers needed to be opened
2014-02-25 20:22 <nebadon_laptop> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Network_Settings
2014-02-25 20:22 <nebadon_laptop> network stuff is there velus
2014-02-25 21:59 <velus> ok got it now mate thanks 
2014-02-26 23:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #3317 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-26 23:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3317: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3317/
2014-02-26 23:15 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Implement PRIM_ROTATION, PRIM_ROT_LOCAL, PRIM_POSITION and PRIM_POS_LOCAL when manipulating avatars via llSetLinkPrimitiveParams()
2014-02-26 23:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #3318 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-26 23:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3318: SUCCESS in 3 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3318/
2014-02-26 23:19 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add some regression tests for previous commit 0e23374
2014-02-26 23:28 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2014-02-26 23:29 <justincc> yeah works fine, though I've just noticed the equivalent OSSL commands don't appear to be able to work with linked avatars at all
2014-02-26 23:30 <justincc> annoying
2014-02-26 23:30 <Plugh> Shouldn't they call the same routines as the LSL Api?
2014-02-26 23:30 <justincc> that's what any sensible implementation would do
2014-02-26 23:30 <Plugh> :)
2014-02-26 23:30 <justincc> unfortunately, we've had bouts of copy & pasteitis
2014-02-26 23:30 <Plugh> yeah
2014-02-26 23:32 <nebadon_laptop> doh looks like my wind problem was I actually had wind module disabled in this region
2014-02-26 23:33 <justincc> and now bitcoin-qt is managing to eat up all my memory
2014-02-26 23:34 <Plugh> I've not really made sense out of why we have ll and os functions that appear to do the same things.
2014-02-26 23:34 <justincc> me neither, quite frankly
2014-02-26 23:34 <Plugh> AFAIK, os functions were supposed to be for extra stuff not available via the LSL functions that were laid down by a certain organization.
2014-02-26 23:35 <Plugh> I'd be very tempted to deprecate all os functions that were equivalent to ll ones.
2014-02-26 23:36 <justincc> well, it doesnt' cost anything to keep them around
2014-02-26 23:36 <justincc> if they're actually implemented properly
2014-02-26 23:37 <Plugh> yea, but they may not as you have pointed out with setprimitiveparams.
2014-02-26 23:37 <Plugh> If they are equivalent the os ones should call same code as the ll implementation.
2014-02-26 23:37 <justincc> yes
2014-02-26 23:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #3319 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-26 23:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3319: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3319/
2014-02-26 23:48 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add Util method to load OpSys env vars
2014-02-27 00:10 <osmantis> Bug #7000:04 [PATCH] Allow Shell environment variables in Robust config files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7000 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-02-27 00:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #3320 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-27 00:13 <justincc> Plugh: it turns out that those get and set allow a uuid to be specified that exists anywhere in the sim owned by that person
2014-02-27 00:13 <justincc> not just in the same object.  so they are different in this case
2014-02-27 00:13 <Plugh> ah, ok. That makes sense.
2014-02-27 00:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3320: SUCCESS in 3 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3320/
2014-02-27 00:16 <osjenkins> jjustincc: refactor: Make osGetPrimtiveParams() and soSetPrimitiveParams() use common get/set params code in LSL_Api rather than an old copy&pasted section.
2014-02-27 00:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #3321 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-27 00:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3321: SUCCESS in 3 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3321/
2014-02-27 00:20 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: remove unused variable from recent commit 0e23374
2014-02-27 00:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #3322 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-27 00:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3322: SUCCESS in 3 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3322/
2014-02-27 00:28 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Stop LSL_Api.GetLinkEntities() from creating an unused list on every parameter except LINK_THIS.  Simplify code.
2014-02-27 00:38 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-27 00:42 <justincc> ha, if I had to guess, I would say that's a bug related to radam's changes :)
2014-02-27 00:42 <justincc> in some way
2014-02-27 00:42 <danbanner> the land settings?
2014-02-27 00:42 <justincc> he has been doing quite a lot of changesin that area for varregion stuff
2014-02-27 00:42 <danbanner> yup
2014-02-27 00:43 <justincc> possibly some call order got changed would be my guess
2014-02-27 00:43 <justincc> no other work has been going on in that area afaik
2014-02-27 01:08 <osmantis> Bug #6121:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams, llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast, llGetLinkPrimitiveParams do not work on avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6121 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-02-27 01:08 <danbanner> looks like objects using llSay and whisper can speak vast distances too
2014-02-27 01:09 <danbanner> i get script messages in sandbox plaza 3 from sbp2
2014-02-27 01:09 <justincc> yeah, worth mentioning that to robert
2014-02-27 01:09 <danbanner> and they arent even touching
2014-02-27 01:09 <justincc> a mantis report would also be useful
2014-02-27 01:09 <justincc> ok, time for me to break now.  See you tomorrow
2014-02-27 01:09 <justincc> 
ACTION waves

2014-02-27 01:13 <osmantis> Bug #7039:04 [VAR] Objects using llSay & whisper have no limits on distance 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7039 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-27 01:14 <osmantis> Bug #4477:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams cannot update sit target 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4477 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-02-27 01:21 <osmantis> Bug #7039:04 [VAR] Objects using llSay & whisper have no limits on distance 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7039 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-27 01:33 <osmantis> Bug #7039:04 [VAR] Objects using llSay & whisper have no limits on distance 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7039 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-27 01:42 <velus> hey dan
2014-02-27 01:42 <velus> danbanner: 
2014-02-27 01:42 <danbanner> hey velus
2014-02-27 01:44 <velus> is there a way for you to be able to "sell" parts of a land well im trying to find a way to put this. imagine a big building with different levels and you want to give someone a small room on level 2 or even a full floor but have other people have space below and above? so they can do changes to the room add stuff etc but not let others do anything?
2014-02-27 01:45 <velus> like have shops and flats in a big building
2014-02-27 01:46 <nebadon_laptop> groups
2014-02-27 01:46 <velus> would that have to be done in lsl scripts 
2014-02-27 01:47 <nebadon_laptop> no you sell the land to a group
2014-02-27 01:47 <nebadon_laptop> then set the parcel settings to group only for everything you want group only
2014-02-27 01:47 <nebadon_laptop> then people in that group, with that group active can build, run scripts etc..
2014-02-27 01:47 <velus> but what about the floors? how would i get it so one person on the floor above cant play with the floor below
2014-02-27 01:48 <nebadon_laptop> you really cant
2014-02-27 01:48 <nebadon_laptop> its planar
2014-02-27 01:48 <nebadon_laptop> X/Y only
2014-02-27 01:48 <velus> ok hmmm could you not have a lsl script that can do that?
2014-02-27 01:48 <velus> i have sen it done on sl its self 
2014-02-27 01:49 <nebadon_laptop> hmm, not really, I don't know of anything like that
2014-02-27 01:49 <velus> ok who would?
2014-02-27 01:49 <nebadon_laptop> not sure
2014-02-27 01:49 <velus> ok
2014-02-27 01:49 <Dev_Random> here's a concept.   howbout a transparent bounding box, and the collision event?  if the owner of the colliding object is not the owner of the bounding box, it's jetted.....
2014-02-27 01:50 <nebadon_laptop> ya you could certainly eject people
2014-02-27 01:50 <Dev_Random> ha
2014-02-27 01:50 <nebadon_laptop> but you cant prevent them from building
2014-02-27 01:50 <nebadon_laptop> you can rez stuff from 500 meters away
2014-02-27 01:51 <Dev_Random> ah true... objects would have to be physical... brainstorm ended.
2014-02-27 01:52 <velus> i am wanting it for shops and houses, so i can have a mall and the people can then add there products and sell them/ add there funiture and well live
2014-02-27 01:52 <nebadon_laptop> don't go up
2014-02-27 01:52 <nebadon_laptop> make a varregion
2014-02-27 01:52 <nebadon_laptop> do something like Wright Plaza on OSgrid
2014-02-27 01:52 <nebadon_laptop> lots of indiviual stores
2014-02-27 01:53 <nebadon_laptop> even in a 256x256 you can get a ton of stores
2014-02-27 01:53 <velus> i had seen a block of flats that i wanted to recreate and use. but then i guess i could var region 
2014-02-27 01:56 <velus> ok well i have a region and its normal 256x256 can i change it to a var region or would i have to redo the whole region again
2014-02-27 02:00 <nebadon_laptop> you can change it
2014-02-27 02:00 <nebadon_laptop> make an oar first though
2014-02-27 02:00 <nebadon_laptop> always good to make a backup before doing a major change
2014-02-27 02:01 <Plugh> The bounding box idea would be a way to return prims rezzed within the box that don't belong to the person who own the space.
2014-02-27 02:04 <velus> ok i might think that way but im gonna keep the welcome center just as it is and then the next regiuons will be diff and will work on it
2014-02-27 10:06 <|-fInE-|> hello i'm back again
2014-02-27 10:13 <|-fInE-|> afraid nickserv likes my nick :D
2014-02-27 10:15 <|-fInE-|> hmm my servers are down i was on vecation couple of weeks 
2014-02-27 10:18 <|-fInE-|> welcome back my servers :D
2014-02-27 11:50 <|-fInE-|> wow 45 seconds for compiling thats great :D
2014-02-27 11:54 <|-fInE-|> the XEngine is a little bit slow .. 
2014-02-27 11:56 <|-fInE-|> it seams that the xengine isn't using all my cores for calculation ..
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2014-02-27 16:11 <|-fInE-|> hmm i don't know if its my problem or a bug .. after updating to the current dev version i got troubles with my profiles .. anyone had the same issues ? e.G. displaying the following fields: Born Account and upgrading the informations inside are not posible again .. i'm using singularity viewer 1.8.5 (5617) .. it can also be viewer related .. 
2014-02-27 16:15 <|-fInE-|> all fields are blinking on the profile page
2014-02-27 16:19 <|-fInE-|> wow what XBakes? 
2014-02-27 16:20 <|-fInE-|> i'm think i need to add the new configuration options to my old config :D
2014-02-27 16:20 <|-fInE-|> -m
2014-02-27 16:28 <|-fInE-|> oh i'm using Windows 8 btw. are there issues concerning Singularity Viewer ? 
2014-02-27 16:31 <|-fInE-|> the Communicate Window is blinking too with singularity .. hmm damn!
2014-02-27 16:33 <|-fInE-|> new hardware are on my personaly shitlist :D
2014-02-27 16:40 <Plugh> |-fInE-|: Are you using core profile or the osprofile module?
2014-02-27 16:45 <|-fInE-|> sorry for the delay .. just a moment
2014-02-27 16:54 <|-fInE-|> i'm using core groups 
2014-02-27 16:54 <|-fInE-|> hm core profiles :D
2014-02-27 16:54 <velus> ??
2014-02-27 16:56 <|-fInE-|> i'm rebulding my config from scatch .. and try again
2014-02-27 17:01 <Plugh> ok. I doubt I can help. I don't use core groups/profiles.
2014-02-27 17:02 <|-fInE-|> on my old version i've used osprofile .. but the field born and account comes from the opensim database .. 
2014-02-27 17:03 <|-fInE-|> has anything changed on the layout of the account details ?
2014-02-27 17:05 <|-fInE-|> phpmyadmin is my friend :)
2014-02-27 17:13 <|-fInE-|> wow cool the usernotes are now available
2014-02-27 17:22 <velus> im guessing |-fInE-| your setting up for the first time then
2014-02-27 17:23 <|-fInE-|> yeah you're right i'm a noob :D
2014-02-27 17:24 <velus> snap i am used to aurora sim but thats now dead as a dor nale
2014-02-27 17:25 <|-fInE-|> velus i've upgraded to the new developer version today :)
2014-02-27 17:25 <velus> cool im on stabel version
2014-02-27 17:25 <velus> you good with php or c#
2014-02-27 17:26 <|-fInE-|> greetings to all hackers in the world ;)
2014-02-27 17:26 <velus> ??
2014-02-27 17:27 <|-fInE-|> do you need a php or c programmer? 
2014-02-27 17:30 <|-fInE-|> velus a little suggestion for you .. don't try to hack 127.0.0.1 :)
2014-02-27 17:30 <velus> lol i have lol
2014-02-27 17:38 <|-fInE-|> i think i got some discripances on the update .. thats my problem .. 
2014-02-27 17:39 <|-fInE-|> i'll try to figure it out later 
2014-02-27 17:47 <velus> |-fInE-|: im having trouble currently setting up egress lol but hopefully it will work ossn
2014-02-27 17:57 <velus> |-fInE-|: do you know c# or php? please let me know
2014-02-27 17:58 <SammyG3> (/me not a developer) Hiro_Protagonist wrote egress I believe, hes on the osgrid channel
2014-02-27 17:58 <|-fInE-|> if yes? whats the effect for me?
2014-02-27 17:58 <velus> you may be able to help me?
2014-02-27 17:58 <velus> thanks SammyG3 
2014-02-27 17:58 <SammyG3> np
2014-02-27 17:59 <SammyG3> he may not respond right away
2014-02-27 17:59 <velus> yeah he is there but if he is about maybe another ?
2014-02-27 17:59 <velus> ok lo0l
2014-02-27 17:59 <|-fInE-|> 175000 people can call me for help :D 
2014-02-27 17:59 <velus> but would you help them lol
2014-02-27 18:01 <|-fInE-|> the first question for all php beginners: What is PHP and Why do i need it :D
2014-02-27 18:02 <|-fInE-|> velus but for you .. what you need to get started: a text editor and a mouse :)
2014-02-27 18:05 <|-fInE-|> all php begins with <?php and ends with ?> 
2014-02-27 18:05 <velus> php is a hypertext processing language and was orriginally called personal home page and was written by someone who wanted to use soemthing to create a "dynamic" site with out using perl and in turn much of the rescorces. it is used to make something dynamic and also connect to d database and desply dynamic content. i am no biginner and i have been doing it for years i dont just have a text editor on my pc i have several project programs like netbea
2014-02-27 18:05 <velus> ns php designer and such i use different ones cos sometimes i cant be assed to just use one. i dont use a wysiwyg editor i do hard coding lol im not needing help cos im a biginer but i need help with a OSS project and help with creating sometghing for the opensim comunity
2014-02-27 18:06 <velus> and |-fInE-| your wrong some bigin with <? ?> short tages but that is if you have short tags set on lol
2014-02-27 18:06 <|-fInE-|> so you know how it works congrats :D 
2014-02-27 18:08 <velus> yeah but fine |-fInE-| im creating a new web gui for opensim and well need help with it i want help so i can call it a community project and not a one man band. i need php developers and c# developers so it can work correctly i know php but not c# but i dont want to be the only person on php its best to have a few who look at it so i can work on it properly spot mistakes and such
2014-02-27 18:10 <|-fInE-|> don't programm facebook again one copy is enough :)
2014-02-27 18:11 <|-fInE-|> what do you want to develop exactly? 
2014-02-27 18:11 <velus> not facefuck but a fully working web gui with more than login and change pass and look at the map. its going to eventually have stuff like view user profile, view groups etc
2014-02-27 18:12 <velus> aa web GUI for opensim so grid owners can have a fully working web GUI without having a port number in there address eg http://www.domain.tld/ and not http://www.domain.tld:9000/wifi/
2014-02-27 18:12 <|-fInE-|> like osprofile with joomla right ? 
2014-02-27 18:12 <velus> yes but with out the jamooola 
2014-02-27 18:12 <velus> its will have its own platform and will be customisable and easy to template and change with little work unlike some out there
2014-02-27 18:13 <|-fInE-|> without having a portnumber in there address? hmm without ports there are no communication.. you always have a port for your service :D
2014-02-27 18:13 <velus> yes but i9f you go to google you dont go to http://www.google.co.uk:80 in the address you go to http://www.google.co.uk 
2014-02-27 18:14 <velus> ofc to go to the workd you will need to have http://www.domain.tld:8002 but that is only in a browser
2014-02-27 18:14 <|-fInE-|> but its the same 
2014-02-27 18:14 <velus> yes but its anoying to type a port number
2014-02-27 18:15 <|-fInE-|> first at all .. read about internet communications .. 2nd if you learnd much things about it come back and quest again :D
2014-02-27 18:15 <velus> i know about internet coms i am a web designer by trade lol 
2014-02-27 18:16 <Plugh> yet another web gui for OS? It would be nice to see one that gets finished and has a lot of the nice to have admin features. 
2014-02-27 18:17 <Plugh> velus: btw, have you heard that there is a fork of the Aurora project?
2014-02-27 18:17 <|-fInE-|> yepp thats right plugh .. the idea isn't bad but only with people who knows how a webserver works :D
2014-02-27 18:18 <velus> yeah thats what i want to do amd well want it to be comunity drivien so i can have it finished and have people to have a say on what goes in and not and n ot have it a one person rules all 
2014-02-27 18:19 <velus> i know how a web server works i have run many of them and was a manager in one big company who worked on the web server and worked on them manually and set them all up
2014-02-27 18:25 <Plugh> |-fInE-|: I have PHP code I use that provides a link between LSL scripts and an external database. PHP, in basic terms, is another programming language but one that is mostly for use when working with web sites.
2014-02-27 18:26 <|-fInE-|> yeah i know this .. its the webserver code for inworld database right?
2014-02-27 18:30 <Plugh> PHP code can be run standalone from a command line but it is most often run from a web server.
2014-02-27 18:32 <velus> true Plugh true
2014-02-27 18:34 <|-fInE-|> i got this scripts as opensource Version from Secondlife Forum a couple months ago
2014-02-27 18:34 <|-fInE-|> but it looks like its only a lite version 
2014-02-27 18:35 <Plugh> |-fInE-|: to do what?
2014-02-27 18:35 <|-fInE-|> inworld database through webserver 
2014-02-27 18:35 <Plugh> ah, ok. 
2014-02-27 18:35 <Plugh> Yeah, there are some simple scripts out there to show you the basics of how to do it.
2014-02-27 18:52 <Thonneve> Has var region been placed into master yet?
2014-02-27 18:54 <velus> yes
2014-02-27 18:55 <Thonneve> What bugs are we seeing with it?
2014-02-27 18:58 <Thonneve> velus: Do you remember me
2014-02-27 18:58 <Thonneve> ?>
2014-02-27 18:58 <velus-universe> yes ofc i do 
2014-02-27 18:58 <velus-universe> i think?>
2014-02-27 18:59 <Thonneve> Not many people do, Ive been gone for quite a while
2014-02-27 18:59 <velus-universe> me too 
2014-02-27 19:12 <Plugh> 
ACTION thinks the nick looks familiar

2014-02-27 19:13 <Thonneve> Plugh: I was very active in the aurora sim channel and before that quite active in this channel
2014-02-27 19:14 <velus> yeah i remeber you from the aurora channel 
2014-02-27 19:14 <velus> and Thonneve you know php or c#?
2014-02-27 19:14 <Plugh> I might have been on the aurora channel briefly ages ago. I may remember you from here.
2014-02-27 19:14 <Thonneve> I know some PHP and am learning C# velus 
2014-02-27 19:15 <|-fInE-|> hi Thonneve how's it going?
2014-02-27 19:15 <Thonneve> Plugh: I was quite active on this channel aswell, I didn't know much of what I was doing back when I was active in this channel so it was probably asking a load of questions haha
2014-02-27 19:15 <velus> ok cool
2014-02-27 19:15 <Thonneve> |-fInE-|: It's good, and you?
2014-02-27 19:15 <Plugh> Thonneve: I have been around this channel for a while now.
2014-02-27 19:15 <|-fInE-|> all right i was on vacation ;) 
2014-02-27 19:16 <Thonneve> How was your vacation?
2014-02-27 19:16 <Thonneve> Plugh: I keep on getting bored with AS and OS so I tend to dissapear a lot, but something always makes me want to come back
2014-02-27 19:16 <|-fInE-|> nice
2014-02-27 19:17 <Plugh> I've been involved with helping run grids so I don't get a lot of opportunity to get bored with OS.
2014-02-27 19:17 <|-fInE-|> 27 degrees :D
2014-02-27 19:20 <Thonneve> Plugh: I think you may have helped me setup my grid once upon a time
2014-02-27 19:21 <Plugh> That's possible.
2014-02-27 19:27 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-27 19:32 <Thonneve> Oh my god -.- iptables is being retarded
2014-02-27 19:34 <Lloydi> anyone figured out the best config setting for increasing terrain modification/editing performance in varregions?
2014-02-27 19:34 <Lloydi> or is it possible?
2014-02-27 19:35 <|-fInE-|> i think a migration to var region will be possible on my grid ;)
2014-02-27 19:41 <Thonneve> Oh my god iptables is so freaking annoying
2014-02-27 19:43 <|-fInE-|> hmm can't understand why
2014-02-27 19:45 <|-fInE-|> build a bridge and use ebtables as well :D
2014-02-27 19:45 <Thonneve> That may actually explain my iptables problem
2014-02-27 19:46 <Thonneve> Since I'm using a different kernel version that has ebtables by default
2014-02-27 19:46 <Thonneve> Then again I could just retstart and everyhing works fine
2014-02-27 19:47 <Thonneve> I dunno how to use ebtables so I'll leave it alone for now
2014-02-27 19:47 <|-fInE-|> you can use ebtables for MAC SNAT/DNAT 
2014-02-27 19:48 <Plugh> ebtables? Is that a feature of newer kernels??
2014-02-27 19:49 <Thonneve> ebtables refers to iptables in the arch wiki
2014-02-27 19:49 <|-fInE-|> no its for bridges 
2014-02-27 19:49 <Thonneve> It also says nftables is replacing iptables
2014-02-27 19:49 <|-fInE-|> yeah the newer kernels i think 3.14 - 
2014-02-27 19:49 <Thonneve> I have 3.13 I think
2014-02-27 19:49 <|-fInE-|> but no clue about nftables
2014-02-27 19:51 <Thonneve> I need to find a way for iptables to save rule
2014-02-27 19:51 <Thonneve> rules*
2014-02-27 19:51 <ftcodes1> iptables-save
2014-02-27 19:51 <|-fInE-|> iptables-save > file and iptables-load > file
2014-02-27 19:52 <Thonneve> Why isn't saving enabled by default
2014-02-27 19:52 <Thonneve> Seems kinda stupid
2014-02-27 19:52 <ftcodes1> because you can lock out yourself with a broken rule on auto-save
2014-02-27 19:53 <Thonneve> That's quite true
2014-02-27 19:53 <velus> ok this is prob a stupid ? but i have hg set up on the server but how do i hg to somewhere and how do i get people to hg to me?
2014-02-27 19:53 <|-fInE-|> good point but i always created scripts for it manually .. i never used iptables-save for it
2014-02-27 19:53 <Thonneve> I have a script setup now for iptables
2014-02-27 19:53 <Thonneve> I only need it for opensim really
2014-02-27 19:53 <Thonneve> velus, hg.osgrid.org:80/regionname
2014-02-27 19:54 <Thonneve> assuming the region is on osgrid
2014-02-27 19:56 <velus> ok its not working in my world
2014-02-27 20:05 <Thonneve> velus: Is your region attached to opensim?
2014-02-27 20:06 <velus> no its my own grid
2014-02-27 20:06 <Thonneve> Go to the map and put in hg.osgrid.org:80/osatia
2014-02-27 20:09 <velus> i tried it and it dont wotk
2014-02-27 20:11 <velus> i mnay opf miss configgereed
2014-02-27 20:13 <Thonneve> Yeah it would seem that way, my region got no notice of the link
2014-02-27 20:21 <velus> ok ill send you the ini file to see if i can spot the problem
2014-02-27 20:22 <velus> http://pastebin.com/im1TvRtN there Thonneve 
2014-02-27 20:23 <velus> Tuesday: its atually wednesday
2014-02-27 20:27 <Thonneve> velus: I don't see anything wrong with it, maybe someone else can though
2014-02-27 20:27 <velus> yeah true
2014-02-27 20:28 <velus> im goone lookn trhough the info
2014-02-27 20:38 <RiRa> try hg.osgrid.org:80:osatia
2014-02-27 20:38 <RiRa> slash dont work with hypergrid
2014-02-27 20:38 <velus> ok gonna now
2014-02-27 20:38 <Thonneve> That may be the thing haha
2014-02-27 20:39 <velus> it wont let me its too far away
2014-02-27 20:40 <Thonneve> That means hypergrid is working
2014-02-27 20:40 <velus> yeah but how do people hypergrid to me then?
2014-02-27 20:40 <Thonneve> Move closer to 10000,10000
2014-02-27 20:40 <velus> how?
2014-02-27 20:41 <Thonneve> Change region co-ords
2014-02-27 20:41 <velus> ok in the region ini? how would i add another region in the console
2014-02-27 20:42 <ftcodes1> add the max-distance=0 to section [EntityTransfer] in OpenSim.ini
2014-02-27 20:42 <ftcodes1> max_distance
2014-02-27 20:42 <ftcodes1> is the right spelling
2014-02-27 20:43 <ftcodes1> it disables that check altogether
2014-02-27 20:44 <Tuesday> I'm surprised that there's not a viewer-side solution other than "move closer"; maybe viewers could make user of a hg proxy knob
2014-02-27 20:46 <velus> how do i run two regions?
2014-02-27 20:48 <Plugh> Seperate instances of OS or you can use two ini files in Regions under one instance.
2014-02-27 20:49 <velus> ok i have them seperate but how do i start the other region?
2014-02-27 20:49 <velus> i think i have
2014-02-27 20:50 <Plugh> You start the second instance the same way you started the first one.
2014-02-27 20:50 <Plugh> it is just in a different directory.
2014-02-27 20:51 <Plugh> If you have two ini files in the Regions directory of an instance then all regions will be available when the instance is started.
2014-02-27 20:52 <velus> ok do i put the full binm foldre in new folder
2014-02-27 20:52 <Tuesday> Here's an idea, a metagrid. A grid of grids :P
2014-02-27 20:52 <osmantis> Bug #7040:04 request for function osUpdateObject(key object) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7040 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-27 20:54 <velus> ok i have done the max_dis thing and now i get teleport refused 
2014-02-27 20:54 <osmantis> Bug #7040:04 request for function osUpdateObject(key object) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7040 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-02-27 20:55 <Tuesday> Port closed?
2014-02-27 20:55 <velus> ?? whos port?
2014-02-27 20:55 <Tuesday> Each Sim needs its own UDP port open
2014-02-27 20:56 <velus> ok so maybe i need to open all ports on my firewall then?
2014-02-27 20:56 <velus> or would it be just the port of there main site?
2014-02-27 20:57 <Tuesday> Eg, region0 9000 .... Region1 9001
2014-02-27 20:59 <Plugh> Check the port setting you assigned for each OS instance in the [Network] section of the OpenSim.inif iel.
2014-02-27 20:59 <Plugh> s/OpenSim.inif iel/OpenSim.ini file/
2014-02-27 21:01 <velus> yeah i have all my region ports open im having probs hging
2014-02-27 21:02 <ftcodes1> did you use the Robust.HG.ini for configuring robust as a basis?
2014-02-27 21:02 <Tuesday> The server will show why
2014-02-27 21:03 <velus> no just robust in
2014-02-27 21:03 <ftcodes1> Robust needs HG config too
2014-02-27 21:08 <Plugh> velus: Make sure you include the right architecture file at the bottom of OpenSim.ini
2014-02-27 21:10 <velus> i have the right one 
2014-02-27 21:10 <velus> and can i not just alter the robust.ini to have the eddtions of the hhg one? or do i need both
2014-02-27 21:10 <ftcodes1> no just the Robust.HG.ini
2014-02-27 21:10 <ftcodes1> or merge all into the Robust.ini if you like
2014-02-27 21:11 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-27 21:12 <velus> thats what i was going to do is merge them together
2014-02-27 21:12 <velus> lol 
2014-02-27 21:20 <velus> still getting teleport fail teleport refused?
2014-02-27 21:26 <velus> any idea
2014-02-27 21:28 <Thonneve> velus: Is that to my region?
2014-02-27 21:28 <velus> any
2014-02-27 21:33 <velus> ok im gonna give up on it for now
2014-02-27 21:33 <velus> ok how do i set up this mutliple regions in one instance
2014-02-27 21:37 <Thonneve> create-region command
2014-02-27 21:48 <RiRa> have you set the fallback in robust ini ?
2014-02-27 21:48 <velus> where can i find a list of console commands
2014-02-27 21:51 <Dev_Random> velus: you could type "help" in the console
2014-02-27 21:51 <velus> got them
2014-02-27 21:51 <velus> yeah i wanted a list for my pc lol 
2014-02-27 21:53 <Arielle_> google opensimulator console commands
2014-02-27 21:54 <velus> got it
2014-02-27 21:55 <velus> oh Arielle_ i found out the problem about not being able to log in it was simple i put velusuniverse:8002 instead of velusunvierse.com:8002
2014-02-27 21:56 <Arielle_> yes, read that on G+ 
2014-02-27 21:56 <Arielle_> good to have  it sorted
2014-02-27 22:01 <velus> yh
2014-02-27 22:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #3323 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-27 22:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3323: SUCCESS in 3 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3323/
2014-02-27 22:56 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add more details to InvalidOperationException logging in SychronousRestFormsRequest.MakeRequest().
2014-02-27 22:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #3324 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-27 22:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3324: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3324/
2014-02-27 22:59 <osjenkins> jjustincc: refactor: More consistently use using construct within WebUtil to match other existing code there.
2014-02-27 23:00 <Thonneve> Wow justincc is on a roll
2014-02-27 23:00 <justincc> none of this is particularly significant, just making it easier to detect other problems by making code more consistent
2014-02-27 23:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #3325 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-27 23:05 <Thonneve> justincc: Which could in future lead to fixing a bunch of problems, it may not be of much significance now but it's the foundation of a potentially easier life
2014-02-27 23:05 <Thonneve> Atleast that's how I see it
2014-02-27 23:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3325: SUCCESS in 3 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3325/
2014-02-27 23:05 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Remove long unused UntrustedWebRequest class
2014-02-27 23:09 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: ping
2014-02-27 23:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #3326 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-27 23:29 <nebadon_laptop> hey Plugh
2014-02-27 23:29 <nebadon_laptop> whats going on?
2014-02-27 23:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3326: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3326/
2014-02-27 23:29 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Set up a StreamReader and call ReadToEnd() instead of using the GetStreamString() extension method
2014-02-27 23:30 <justincc> warp 3d map tile generation certainly takes a long time compared to the default map tile
2014-02-27 23:30 <nebadon_laptop> it does because it has to download all assets
2014-02-27 23:30 <nebadon_laptop> even textures
2014-02-27 23:30 <nebadon_laptop> the default maptiler is only colors and only standard prims
2014-02-27 23:31 <nebadon_laptop> so much less data is needed to produce a tile, trade off is those tiles are pretty usess if you use anything other than boxes, cylinders, spheres in your regions
2014-02-27 23:31 <nebadon_laptop> even megaprims are pretty bad with the stock tiler
2014-02-27 23:32 <Arielle_> ok
2014-02-27 23:33 <justincc> I also found out last night that for some reason the watch/unwatch tab has stopped working on mediawiki pages :(
2014-02-27 23:33 <justincc> another thing to investigating
2014-02-27 23:33 <justincc> investigate
2014-02-27 23:34 <antont> oh, that's unfortunate
2014-02-27 23:34 <lkalif> 
ACTION just updated radegast mediawiki

2014-02-27 23:34 <lkalif> now it looks like wikipedia http://radegast.org/wiki/Accessibility_Guide
2014-02-27 23:36 <justincc> wouldn't surprise me if this watch/unwatch thing was something to do with the opensim theme not working 100% after the last mw update
2014-02-27 23:36 <justincc> though I would have thought I'd have noticed quickly if that wasn't the case
2014-02-27 23:37 <nebadon_laptop> is there a crontask maybe its not running properly?
2014-02-27 23:37 <justincc> no, this is just a link
2014-02-27 23:37 <justincc> I also have to double check it's not sometihng to do with my janky firefox
2014-02-27 23:37 <nebadon_laptop> melanie pointed out to me too that there is some problem with mysql
2014-02-27 23:38 <lkalif> afail mediawiki doesn't have any cron jobs
2014-02-27 23:38 <nebadon_laptop> some mysql upgrade process needs to be run
2014-02-27 23:38 <justincc> ?
2014-02-27 23:38 <nebadon_laptop> its likely why mysql needs to be restarted constantly
2014-02-27 23:38 <nebadon_laptop> 140223  2:41:26 [ERROR] Column count of mysql.db is wrong. Expected 22, found 20. Created with MySQL 50162, now running 50173. Please use mysql_upgrade to fix this error.
2014-02-27 23:39 <nebadon_laptop> I didnt want to do it until there was a mysql dump like immediately before this is done and I just have not had time
2014-02-27 23:39 <justincc> ok
2014-02-27 23:39 <justincc> I'm currently taking a mysql backup near the start of each month, so I can run it after one of those
2014-02-27 23:39 <nebadon_laptop> but im literally restarting mysql every 48 hours or more
2014-02-27 23:39 <justincc> sounds like it would be a timesaver for you really :)
2014-02-27 23:39 <nebadon_laptop> well restarting takes about 10 seconds
2014-02-27 23:40 <nebadon_laptop> what I am afraid of is doing it and it going bad
2014-02-27 23:40 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: I'm setting up an OpenSim grid for someone who used to run Aurora. They want to keep the login uri to be domainname/ instead of domainname:8002/. How did you get osgrid to not need a port number in the login URI?
2014-02-27 23:40 <nebadon_laptop> then a few minutes is out the window
2014-02-27 23:40 <nebadon_laptop> nginx reverse proxy
2014-02-27 23:40 <Plugh> oh
2014-02-27 23:41 <nebadon_laptop> but you need to do stuff like grid.osgrid.org then and login.osgrid.org
2014-02-27 23:41 <Plugh> I don't suppose it would be as easy as setting login service port to 80
2014-02-27 23:41 <justincc> I would do it but I don't fancy it going wrong and screwing my schedule right now
2014-02-27 23:41 <justincc> might do it tomorrow
2014-02-27 23:41 <nebadon_laptop> no you could do that though plugh
2014-02-27 23:41 <nebadon_laptop> ya same here justincc
2014-02-27 23:41 <nebadon_laptop> so for now i take 10 seconds every couple days to restart it
2014-02-27 23:41 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-02-27 23:41 <nebadon_laptop> unfortunately a few times its gone 10-12 hours before i was able to do it
2014-02-27 23:41 <Plugh> I could just change the login service port? The os wiki made it seem that might be possible as long as Apache isn't also trying to use same port.
2014-02-27 23:42 <nebadon_laptop> you certainly can Plugh
2014-02-27 23:42 <nebadon_laptop> any available port you can use
2014-02-27 23:42 <nebadon_laptop> the reason we use nginx is because we do run apache and other things on 80
2014-02-27 23:42 <nebadon_laptop> we have 12 robust consoles
2014-02-27 23:42 <Plugh> ok. I was worried that if I change that in Robust's INI I would have to change the port number in some other files.
2014-02-27 23:42 <Plugh> ah, ok.
2014-02-27 23:42 <nebadon_laptop> well you might
2014-02-27 23:43 <nebadon_laptop> on the regions
2014-02-27 23:43 <nebadon_laptop> noot sure if you have just login services only isolated then probably not
2014-02-27 23:43 <nebadon_laptop> however HG might be problematic
2014-02-27 23:43 <nebadon_laptop> hard to say
2014-02-27 23:43 <nebadon_laptop> if its not HG then its way easier
2014-02-27 23:43 <Plugh> yea, I'm thinking if its only login that is being set to different port than nothing else may need to be changed. 
2014-02-27 23:43 <Plugh> 
ACTION crosses his fingers.

2014-02-27 23:44 <Plugh> yea, no HG.
2014-02-27 23:48 <Thonneve> nebadon_laptop: 12 robust instances?!
2014-02-27 23:48 <Plugh> Its been a while since I've set up a grid from scratch. I get a bit mixed up with the port settings in Network section vs. Region files.
2014-02-27 23:57 <justincc> ugh, this warp3d code is a car crash
2014-02-27 23:59 <dahlia> lol
2014-02-28 00:00 <dahlia> I think LL has a viewer bot that logs in to each region and does a snapshot for the map
2014-02-28 00:02 <Thonneve> LL probably has an in-house thing for grabbing a snapshot
2014-02-28 00:02 <dahlia> they do, its a viewer bot
2014-02-28 00:03 <jakdaniels> we also have static maptiles per region, which are easy to make by flying over your region and taking a snapshot and cropping to 256x256px
2014-02-28 00:06 <lkalif> justincc: it's setting up full 3D rendering of the sim
2014-02-28 00:06 <lkalif> with camera high up
2014-02-28 00:06 <lkalif> you cannot expect it to be fast
2014-02-28 00:06 <justincc> I don't expect fast, I'd just like it not to leak 250mb every time
2014-02-28 00:06 <jakdaniels> lol... mapbmp.dispose()
2014-02-28 00:07 <lkalif> I have not noticedf it leaking gobs of ram
2014-02-28 00:08 <dahlia> 
ACTION thinks the server should focus on serving and fancy maptile renderers would probably work better as separate programs...

2014-02-28 00:08 <jakdaniels> +1. can we ever emulate what the viewer sees in the server?
2014-02-28 00:09 <dahlia> of course, but it takes resources away from other development
2014-02-28 00:09 <dahlia> but devs choose what they want to work on anyway :)
2014-02-28 00:10 <lkalif> that's a whole different can of worms
2014-02-28 00:10 <dahlia> lkalif: writing a viewer a can or worms? surely you jest! :P
2014-02-28 00:12 <lkalif> ;)
2014-02-28 00:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #3327 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-02-28 00:17 <dahlia> I remember peeking in warp once and saw a bunch of unsafes
2014-02-28 00:17 <Thonneve> Are there still CMS intergration projects that are active with opensim?
2014-02-28 00:17 <justincc> yeah, it appears to do some lower level stuff too, thuogh I really don't know why
2014-02-28 00:18 <Thonneve> Specifically for regions, or is there a way I can grab data from the regions webserver?
2014-02-28 00:18 <justincc> all fixable but requires time of course, and jhaving to wade through bizarrely indented warp 3d code
2014-02-28 00:18 <dahlia> well filling triangles can get pretty slow in managed space
2014-02-28 00:19 <dahlia> I wrote a managed triangle renderer in c# once and it was ungawdly slow
2014-02-28 00:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3327: SUCCESS in 3 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3327/
2014-02-28 00:20 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Maybe slightly reduce warp3d memory leakage by disposing of decoded bitmap in Warp3DImageModule.GetTexture()
2014-02-28 00:21 <justincc> yeah, I guess amoutn of leakage might be heavily dependent on number of textures/objects in a scene, etc.
2014-02-28 00:22 <dahlia> assuming not disposing is the problem, sure
2014-02-28 00:22 <justincc> yes
2014-02-28 00:22 <dahlia> rather than some errant pointer in unsafe code
2014-02-28 00:24 <Thonneve> Is there an API for grabbing data from the region webserver?
2014-02-28 00:24 <justincc> what kind of data?
2014-02-28 00:25 <Thonneve> Terrain image... not sure what else
2014-02-28 00:25 <dahlia> if you know the UUID
2014-02-28 00:25 <Thonneve> Will the UUID change each time a snapshot is generated?
2014-02-28 00:25 <dahlia> yes
2014-02-28 00:26 <Thonneve> Wait not terrain, minimap snapshot image thing
2014-02-28 00:26 <Thonneve> Exactly what you're currently discussing with justincc
2014-02-28 00:26 <dahlia> minimap is a viewer thing
2014-02-28 00:26 <justincc> I'm assuming you mean maptile
2014-02-28 00:26 <Thonneve> That's the one
2014-02-28 00:26 <dahlia> maptiles have a unique UUID per image
2014-02-28 00:27 <Thonneve> Is there no way to grab it dynamically
2014-02-28 00:27 <dahlia> if you  can find a way to know the UUID, probably
2014-02-28 00:27 <Thonneve> The same way that the grid thingy works on osgrid.org
2014-02-28 00:27 <justincc> I don't believe so. Maptiles are also jpegs stored at the robust map image service
2014-02-28 00:27 <dahlia> oh except you need a session id
2014-02-28 00:27 <justincc> so conceivably you could pluck those from the filesystem
2014-02-28 00:28 <Thonneve> How does osgrid display the maptiles?
2014-02-28 00:28 <lkalif> login with a viewer, open map :P
2014-02-28 00:28 <dahlia> maptiles are assets and the grid services know the UUIDs
2014-02-28 00:28 <Thonneve> Ahhh
2014-02-28 00:29 <justincc> Thonneve: you would have to ask nebadon_laptop.  
2014-02-28 00:29 <justincc> ah yes, that would make sense
2014-02-28 00:30 <Thonneve> I'll have to think about how to go about setting it up to dynamically update
2014-02-28 00:31 <dahlia> I think people outside SL used to have a bot log in and fetch all the maptiles until SL made their map web site thingie
2014-02-28 00:31 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: KeyGruin, ah, confirm accounts alerts are appearing on the "recent changes" wiki page, which is a little odd
2014-02-28 00:31 <justincc> also, PandPtransport has just become an active spambot (which I'm about to squash)
2014-02-28 00:31 <justincc> damn those sleepers
2014-02-28 00:32 <Thonneve> dahlia: The people behind the alteran stargate network set that up
2014-02-28 00:32 <dahlia> set what up?
2014-02-28 00:32 <Thonneve> Maptiles inside of SL
2014-02-28 00:32 <dahlia> inside? they are part of SL
2014-02-28 00:33 <Thonneve> I mean to display them inside SL
2014-02-28 00:33 <dahlia> the map in the viewer?
2014-02-28 00:33 <Thonneve> Before it was possible since the maptiles where never uploaded as an asset
2014-02-28 00:33 <dahlia> bots could grab them
2014-02-28 00:33 <dahlia> lots of people had bots grabbing them
2014-02-28 00:34 <Thonneve> Oh, I only ever heard of the people behind the alteran stargate network doing that
2014-02-28 00:34 <justincc> I had no idea so many real people registered for wiki accounts... or maybe just talking about it recently has lead to new acct requests
2014-02-28 00:34 <dahlia> never heard of them but they were probably doing the same thing as everyone else
2014-02-28 00:35 <Thonneve> The ASN is probably the most realistic stargate network inside SL, it's still active I think, albeit not updated
2014-02-28 00:35 <lkalif> there was a way to do it with lsl
2014-02-28 00:36 <dahlia> lkalif: I think you needed to find out the UUID via external means
2014-02-28 00:36 <dahlia> back then
2014-02-28 00:36 <lkalif> there was a way to figure uuid via slurl.com
2014-02-28 00:36 <dahlia> this was before slurls existed
2014-02-28 00:37 <lkalif> slurl.com, the web map thing
2014-02-28 00:37 <dahlia> ya, that's a lot newer than SL
2014-02-28 00:37 <dahlia> people used bots before that existed
2014-02-28 00:37 <lkalif> well it was there since I started in 2006
2014-02-28 00:38 <Thonneve> Yeah, back in the day (I wanted to say it) maptiles weren't even uploaded to SL as assets, it was purely external and there was no access to the maptiles in-world
2014-02-28 00:38 <Thonneve> Except by someone mining all the maptiles and uploading them
2014-02-28 01:03 <osmantis> Bug #6683:04 Linksets use root position instead of child prim sitposition  for location to stand seated avatar. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6683 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-02-28 01:03 <osmantis> Bug #6314:04 Mesh Texture Issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6314 ): has been CLOSED
2014-02-28 01:04 <osmantis> Bug #7004:04 Accessing texture from inventory or attempting to upload new one sometimes fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7004 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-28 01:08 <osmantis> Bug #7004:04 Accessing texture from inventory or attempting to upload new one sometimes fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7004 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-02-28 07:34 <|-fInE-|> is there a way to set SQLite as fallback db if anything goes wrong ?
2014-02-28 09:20 <|-fInE-|> yeah the new var regions version is really cool
2014-02-28 09:22 <|-fInE-|> GREAT!!!
2014-02-28 09:25 <|-fInE-|> all is working like a charm on var .. 
2014-02-28 09:26 <|-fInE-|> wow that was a big improvement
2014-02-28 09:27 <zadark> Care when teleporting from a legacy region running earlier Opensim, legacy regions send bad data to the viewer, causing the viewer to crash.
2014-02-28 09:27 <|-fInE-|> i think the fix will come ;)
2014-02-28 09:27 <zadark> That is teleporting from a legacy region to a var region
2014-02-28 09:34 <|-fInE-|> and my profiles are now working as well .. it was a configuration issue on my server .. the old configs are not working anymore
2014-02-28 13:38 <osmantis> Bug #7004:04 Accessing texture from inventory or attempting to upload new one sometimes fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7004 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-02-28 14:10 <osmantis> Bug #7041:04 On first run r24394 spews huge number of error messages while loading assets for WARP3D then crashes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7041 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-02-28 16:40 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: ping
2014-02-28 16:40 <nebadon_laptop> hey Plugh
2014-02-28 16:41 <Plugh> morning, nebadon
2014-02-28 16:41 <Plugh> I was trying the loginURI of just login.domain.name without a port reference but no go. 
2014-02-28 16:41 <Plugh> that is, the viewer couldn't retrieve the login information.
2014-02-28 16:41 <nebadon_laptop> odd
2014-02-28 16:43 <Plugh> Perhaps it is a viewer issue. I'll try a different viewer.
2014-02-28 16:45 <nebadon_laptop> that would suprise me, OSgrid would have more issues I suspect
2014-02-28 16:45 <nebadon_laptop> are you running more than 1 robust console?
2014-02-28 16:45 <nebadon_laptop> or is it all contained in just this one console?
2014-02-28 16:46 <Plugh> just 1 Robust
2014-02-28 16:46 <nebadon_laptop> ok thats even more strange then
2014-02-28 16:47 <Plugh> I thought perhaps I had edited the wrong copy of the Robust.ini file but I tried again and same results.
2014-02-28 16:47 <nebadon_laptop> and just to be clear the entire grid is 1 robust console?
2014-02-28 16:47 <nebadon_laptop> not just login
2014-02-28 16:48 <Plugh> I'm not sure what you are asking. I'm testing with one copy of Robust and a single instance.
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2014-02-28 20:51 <Plugh> I see group information but for some reason it doesn't want to show group tags when I say activate.
2014-02-28 20:56 <velus> Plugh: do you know the chanel for divs and well there dev team>?
2014-02-28 20:57 <velus> also do you know how to set the login for the system to port 80?
2014-02-28 20:57 <Plugh> Um... no(?) to the first question as I don't know what you mean by divs.
2014-02-28 20:58 <velus> diva distro
2014-02-28 20:58 <Plugh> Diva is in this channel. I don't use that distro so I don't know anything about it.
2014-02-28 20:58 <velus> oh just seen her 
2014-02-28 20:58 <velus> diva: you about?
2014-02-28 21:00 <Plugh> velus: In theory, change the port number for the grid login service in Robust. It is something I was planning to try out.
2014-02-28 21:00 <velus> Plugh: i was just wondering if i could get permission to decompile their dll so i can create a c# plugin for the new webgui lol
2014-02-28 21:01 <Plugh> velus: AFAIK, source code should be available for it.
2014-02-28 21:01 <velus> ?? where and what is AFAIK
2014-02-28 21:02 <nebadon_laptop> hey Plugh sorry had to step away
2014-02-28 21:02 <Plugh> velus: Some information about it is here -> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Wifi
2014-02-28 21:02 <nebadon_laptop> what I was asking was there is only 1 robust console to service all the grid requests? its not split up in any way?
2014-02-28 21:02 <Plugh> velus: I think it is just standard OS that comes (mostly) pre-configured.
2014-02-28 21:03 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: No. I think I might have discovered my problem. I changed the login URI string but forgot to change the port number in the LLLoginServiceInConnector string. :)
2014-02-28 21:03 <Plugh> I was just about to test that.
2014-02-28 21:04 <nebadon_laptop> ah ok great
2014-02-28 21:05 <Plugh> I originally thought that is what I needed to do. I was in the middle of setting up the grid so it messed me up and I forgot about that.
2014-02-28 21:19 <velus> Plugh: that download has it pre compiled
2014-02-28 21:38 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: I can login with a URI of just the domain name. The problem is the viewer can't refresh/fetch the grid info.
2014-02-28 21:39 <nebadon_laptop> that is really odd, it should be able to
2014-02-28 21:39 <Plugh> Perhaps there is some other port number I have to change for a connector that is used to get the login info??
2014-02-28 21:40 <lkalif> yey, Unity3D peeps are sending me an occulus rift ;)
2014-02-28 21:40 <velus> cool
2014-02-28 21:40 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: Hm... what about GridInfoServerInConnector?
2014-02-28 21:40 <lkalif> would be fun seeing wright plaza in 3d ;)
2014-02-28 21:41 <nebadon_laptop> you need to visit Reticulation and Cuteulala Park to lkalif
2014-02-28 21:41 <nebadon_laptop> do Cuteulala park last lol
2014-02-28 21:41 <lkalif> lol
2014-02-28 21:41 <nebadon_laptop> and have a barf bag handy
2014-02-28 21:41 <lkalif> they said they'd send them on Monday, so I should have them sometimes next week
2014-02-28 21:42 <nebadon_laptop> awesome
2014-02-28 21:42 <nebadon_laptop> will you add support for it to Singularity?
2014-02-28 21:42 <diva> lkalif the Oculus is AWESOME
2014-02-28 21:42 <lkalif> Now I feel obligated to make Unity web player for opensim :P
2014-02-28 21:42 <diva> I hope you add what David did to Singularity
2014-02-28 21:42 <diva> you don't have to
2014-02-28 21:43 <diva> The CntrlAlt viewer works like a charm
2014-02-28 21:43 <lkalif> No, I mean unity people are so nice to me
2014-02-28 21:43 <diva> oh  hehe
2014-02-28 21:43 <lkalif> I should do something in return
2014-02-28 21:43 <lkalif> I was toying with this idea for a while
2014-02-28 21:43 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: Kokua viewer gets grid info if I use domain.name:80/
2014-02-28 21:44 <nebadon_laptop> so Unity has support for Occulus now?
2014-02-28 21:44 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: it's unrelated
2014-02-28 21:44 <lkalif> I made the collada exporter for Singularity (and now all other viewers)
2014-02-28 21:44 <lkalif> and they liked it so they're sending me some freebies
2014-02-28 21:44 <nebadon_laptop> oh
2014-02-28 21:45 <diva> collada exporter?
2014-02-28 21:45 <nebadon_laptop> ya we can export any object now from viewer as collada
2014-02-28 21:45 <nebadon_laptop> its pretty awesome
2014-02-28 21:45 <diva> any? Not just mesh?
2014-02-28 21:45 <lkalif> and import directly into unity, or blender, or any 3d software really
2014-02-28 21:45 <nebadon_laptop> ya anything
2014-02-28 21:46 <velus> diva?
2014-02-28 21:46 <diva> coolio!
2014-02-28 21:46 <lkalif> prims to mesh
2014-02-28 21:46 <diva> fantastic
2014-02-28 21:46 <lkalif> prims, sculpts, mesh -> collada -> unity
2014-02-28 21:46 <lkalif> or blender
2014-02-28 21:46 <nebadon_laptop> thats how I converted the Encitra Cathedral
2014-02-28 21:46 <nebadon_laptop> from like 3500 prims to like 50
2014-02-28 21:46 <velus> how do i get a un compilled version of diva wifi
2014-02-28 21:46 <diva> velus I only do releases when there's a new release of opensim
2014-02-28 21:47 <diva> you can find the latest one here: http://metaverseink.com/Downloads.html
2014-02-28 21:47 <diva> for 0.7.6
2014-02-28 21:47 <diva> I think it's compatible with 0.7.6.1
2014-02-28 21:47 <nebadon_laptop> I think he means the source
2014-02-28 21:47 <diva> the source is in github
2014-02-28 21:47 <velus> im wondering if i could use some of the code to create a webgui that dont run on a port number i.e www.domain.com/ and not www.domain.com:@8002
2014-02-28 21:48 <diva> ?
2014-02-28 21:48 <lkalif> How about this idea: you get around web "same origin policy" crap by having a web player server that would proxy the requests
2014-02-28 21:48 <diva> the absence of port in a URL means port 80
2014-02-28 21:48 <velus> yes i know 
2014-02-28 21:48 <diva> https://github.com/diva/diva-distribution
2014-02-28 21:49 <diva> i guess I don't understand what you want to do then
2014-02-28 21:49 <nebadon_laptop> velus
2014-02-28 21:49 <nebadon_laptop> you can just run wifi in its own robust console on port 80
2014-02-28 21:49 <diva> yeah
2014-02-28 21:49 <diva> I do that all the time
2014-02-28 21:49 <nebadon_laptop> ya me to
2014-02-28 21:49 <diva> we did that for OSCC, right?
2014-02-28 21:49 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-02-28 21:49 <diva> that's all you need
2014-02-28 21:50 <velus> wifi has to run off port number to veiw the website. im wanting to create a php version of the website wich would be cusitomisabel and such 
2014-02-28 21:50 <nebadon_laptop> it can run off of any port
2014-02-28 21:50 <diva> it can run off any port
2014-02-28 21:50 <diva> including port 80
2014-02-28 21:50 <nebadon_laptop> http port 80 is the default and doesnt need to be specified
2014-02-28 21:51 <nebadon_laptop> 1 sec I will paste an example ini for just wifi only
2014-02-28 21:56 <nebadon_laptop> velus > http://pastebin.com/QCbbdhWa
2014-02-28 21:56 <nebadon_laptop> that can probably be trimmed down considerably
2014-02-28 21:56 <nebadon_laptop> but it will run robust in its own console
2014-02-28 21:57 <nebadon_laptop> you just need to load robust like this 1 sec
2014-02-28 21:57 <nebadon_laptop> mono --debug Robust.exe -inifile=/home/name/configs/robust1/Wifi.ini
2014-02-28 21:57 <nebadon_laptop> as an example
2014-02-28 21:57 <nebadon_laptop> assuming your running linux
2014-02-28 21:57 <velus> i dont use mono im a windows on this 
2014-02-28 21:58 <velus> and im wanting to create something that could be easy to customise and easy to add content to and such
2014-02-28 21:59 <velus> what i do will be in oss format and will be for every one and well it will make it easy for people to be able to put there own stamp on the look of the site and be able to have extra pages and such 
2014-02-28 22:01 <lkalif> well just drop mono --debug from the command line
2014-02-28 22:01 <lkalif> even easier
2014-02-28 22:01 <velus> yeah
2014-02-28 22:01 <velus> lol n
2014-02-28 22:01 <nebadon_laptop> ya honestly it doesnt get any easier than this I dont think
2014-02-28 22:01 <nebadon_laptop> and its smarter to seperate wifi from your main robust console
2014-02-28 22:01 <nebadon_laptop> a single robust console can only handle so much
2014-02-28 22:02 <nebadon_laptop> and wifi being on 80 easily exposes it to random bot attacks
2014-02-28 22:02 <velus> i know i know 
2014-02-28 22:02 <nebadon_laptop> which could disrupt grid services 
2014-02-28 22:31 <velus> does os have groups built in again?
2014-02-28 22:31 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2014-02-28 22:32 <velus> ok thanks
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2014-03-01 00:41 <Thonneve> How's it going guys?
2014-03-01 00:41 <velus> ok good you
2014-03-01 01:04 <Thonneve> I'm good, about to get started with a few projects
2014-03-01 02:01 <velus> good good 
2014-03-01 02:02 <velus> i have a new keyboard and the g is sticky now
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2014-03-01 02:04 <velus> ggggggggggggggggggggj, j
2014-03-01 02:11 <Thonneve> velus: Remove the key if it's easy to remove and clean it
2014-03-01 02:11 <velus> i have now 
2014-03-01 02:47 <|-fInE-|> hmm i miss a setting in Robust.ini .. the HGInventoryService Option .. isn't it downward compatible anymore ? i've used HG 1.5 
2014-03-01 02:50 <|-fInE-|> oh had a wrong template for it sorry
2014-03-01 03:13 <|-fInE-|> please add the XBakes module to the Robust HG Template as well 
2014-03-01 03:14 <Thonneve> XBakes?
2014-03-01 03:14 <|-fInE-|> yeah its texture caching 
2014-03-01 03:18 <Thonneve> I think OS has texture caching
2014-03-01 03:18 <Thonneve> Not sure though
2014-03-01 03:18 <|-fInE-|> it was on the new dev version .. 
2014-03-01 03:19 <|-fInE-|> wow teleporting through hg works now as well on var .. great!
2014-03-01 03:20 <|-fInE-|> and from one var to the other .. 
2014-03-01 03:20 <Thonneve> |-fInE-|: Vars are treated as normal regions so HG /should/ work perfectly
2014-03-01 03:21 <|-fInE-|> yeah it's almost stable now .. 
2014-03-01 03:24 <nebadon_laptop> what kind of issues are you expriencing |-fInE-| ?
2014-03-01 03:25 <|-fInE-|> the only problem i had was that the viewer crashed if i teleport from normal region to var .. but i had an old config last time .. i'll try it again
2014-03-01 03:25 <nebadon_laptop> ok ya that shouldnt be a problem if both sides are running relatively new code
2014-03-01 03:41 <|-fInE-|> soo next .. uploading nebadon's campus :D
2014-03-01 03:41 <nebadon_laptop> I was going to make a new varregion oar for that
2014-03-01 03:41 <nebadon_laptop> with some updates maybe
2014-03-01 03:41 <|-fInE-|> yeah your oar is great for performance tests :D 
2014-03-01 04:03 <|-fInE-|1> hmm the 24h disconnection suxx :)
2014-03-01 04:49 <|-fInE-|1> woow the oar worked out of the box now .. 
2014-03-01 05:10 <|-fInE-|1> all right! nice! keep up the good work :)
2014-03-01 05:11 <Thonneve> What's happened who died?
2014-03-01 05:12 <|-fInE-|1> i'm not dead .. only need to create a new account then :D
2014-03-01 05:12 <Thonneve> Haha
2014-03-01 05:13 <Thonneve> I've come to the very big conclusion that steam under linux is crap, steam under wine is where it's all at
2014-03-01 05:13 <|-fInE-|1> did you test the steamos ? 
2014-03-01 05:13 <|-fInE-|1> its a good start 
2014-03-01 05:13 <Thonneve> If it's anything like steam under arch linux then I don't even want to
2014-03-01 05:14 <|-fInE-|1> :D no its debian 
2014-03-01 05:32 <|-fInE-|1> the  memory consumption  is hard but its a big oar :D
2014-03-01 13:06 <osmantis> Bug #7042:04 Robust is not setting flag region as is configured in Robust.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7042 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-01 16:04 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-01 17:07 <osmantis> Bug #6792:04 [BULLETS SCENE]: ProcessPostTaintTaints: BSLinksetCompound... System.NullReferenceException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6792 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-01 18:47 <LloydI> ping
2014-03-01 18:50 <LloydI> [LLCLIENTVIEW]: Caught exception while processing OpenMetaverse.Packe ts.UserInfoRequestPacket for....., Unable to connect to the remote server    at System.Net.HttpWebRequest.GetRequestStream(TransportContext& context) ?
2014-03-01 18:55 <LloydI> anyone ever seen anything like it? config setting?
2014-03-01 19:08 <LloydI> everything is almost perfect.... getting this one issue http://pastebin.com/DRvp6ZAw   anyone ever seen?
2014-03-01 19:08 <LloydI> wondering if it's a config setting
2014-03-01 19:20 <Plugh> Are you using core profile or osprofile?
2014-03-01 19:22 <LloydI> AFAIK the default
2014-03-01 19:23 <LloydI> yea i can trigger it everytime by going to profile
2014-03-01 19:27 <LloydI> what's the ProfileURL for a standalone? config for [UserProfiles] under opensimdefaults.ini
2014-03-01 19:27 <Plugh> ok, so most likely core profile.
2014-03-01 19:27 <LloydI> is this an external url correct?
2014-03-01 19:27 <Plugh> I can't tell you. I don't use core profile.
2014-03-01 19:27 <LloydI> or how to use osprofile?
2014-03-01 19:28 <Plugh> If you are using (or want to use) osprofile, I wrote a detailed README for it that is part of the package.
2014-03-01 19:30 <LloydI> included in master?
2014-03-01 19:33 <LloydI> actually i just fixed my issue with profile
2014-03-01 19:34 <LloydI> config setting
2014-03-01 19:35 <LloydI> but I can't save changes to profile...hmmm
2014-03-01 19:51 <LloydI> anyone know the profile url for a standalone install?
2014-03-01 19:53 <Plugh> same as for grid install
2014-03-01 19:58 <nebadon_laptop> looks like a config or firewall issue
2014-03-01 19:58 <nebadon_laptop> oh i see you said you fixed it already heh
2014-03-01 19:58 <LloydI> get an error updating profile popup
2014-03-01 19:59 <LloydI> no it's just not throwing an error on console now
2014-03-01 19:59 <LloydI> profile url is just the region external url correct no path just default port 9000 for standalone, is that correct?
2014-03-01 20:00 <LloydI> under opensim.ini UserProfiles
2014-03-01 20:00 <LloydI> ProfileServiceURL
2014-03-01 20:01 <Plugh> I only know about using osprofile module for profiles.
2014-03-01 20:03 <Plugh> I really hate these messages -> Exception Object reference not set to an instance of an object
2014-03-01 20:04 <Plugh> Almost completely useless other than to indicate that there is (most likely) a configuration issue somewhere.
2014-03-01 20:12 <LloydI> so my popup is "error updating properties" in viewer when I try to save a profile on standalone varregion 
2014-03-01 20:13 <nebadon_laptop> I have never used groups on a standalone
2014-03-01 20:14 <nebadon_laptop> almost all of my testing is with grid mode
2014-03-01 20:15 <Plugh> I run search, profile, and groups in standalone mode but I don't use the core versions.
2014-03-01 21:25 <osmantis> Bug #7043:04 llSensor gives wrong Avatarposition, when sitting on a childprim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7043 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2014-03-02 02:10 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-02 10:15 <velus> hey |-fInE-| 
2014-03-02 10:16 <velus> hows you mate
2014-03-02 13:03 <LloydI> Good day everyone
2014-03-02 14:01 <LloydI> I'm wondering has anyone has success getting the latest dev build userprofiles in standalone?
2014-03-02 14:02 <LloydI> had
2014-03-02 14:05 <LloydI> and does anyone know if xbakes URL needs to be set for standalone?
2014-03-02 15:20 <LloydI> has sciencesim gone away?
2014-03-02 15:22 <LloydI> and is anyone using http://sourceforge.net/projects/kokua.team-purple.p/files/KokuaSSATest/ ?
2014-03-02 15:29 <nebadon_laptop> LloydI yes sciencesim is not up any more
2014-03-02 15:29 <nebadon_laptop> I think they have put most of their effort into Moses now
2014-03-02 15:29 <LloydI> didn't they offer the sciencesim oar for download one time?
2014-03-02 15:30 <nebadon_laptop> hmm not that I recall
2014-03-02 15:30 <LloydI> ahh ok
2014-03-02 15:30 <LloydI> I must say I'm so impressed with opensim right now..
2014-03-02 15:31 <nebadon_laptop> great :)
2014-03-02 15:31 <LloydI> yea, got the first huge region running on a server externally and it's freaking sweet.. 
2014-03-02 15:31 <nebadon_laptop> and just so you know, OpenSim does not support SSA or SSB at this point
2014-03-02 15:32 <LloydI> viewer extension?
2014-03-02 15:32 <nebadon_laptop> its server side appearance
2014-03-02 15:32 <LloydI> oh
2014-03-02 15:32 <nebadon_laptop> server side baking
2014-03-02 15:32 <LloydI> xbakes?
2014-03-02 15:32 <nebadon_laptop> where the simulator bakes the avatar appearance, not the viewer
2014-03-02 15:32 <nebadon_laptop> xbakes is different
2014-03-02 15:32 <LloydI> not ssb
2014-03-02 15:32 <LloydI> ok
2014-03-02 15:32 <nebadon_laptop> xbakes is persisted avatar bake assets
2014-03-02 15:33 <LloydI> thanks for clarifying that
2014-03-02 15:33 <nebadon_laptop> so when you teleport you dont rebake
2014-03-02 15:33 <nebadon_laptop> there is no viewer mods for this service
2014-03-02 15:33 <nebadon_laptop> its strictly just storing the bakes the viewer produces
2014-03-02 15:34 <nebadon_laptop> previously it would only be stored in the region cache, so every teleport you would rebake
2014-03-02 15:34 <LloydI> speaking of cache...
2014-03-02 15:34 <LloydI> is their any way to cache the loading terrain for regions? load time is huge for 1024 and over
2014-03-02 15:35 <LloydI> which i realize is quite a bit
2014-03-02 15:35 <nebadon_laptop> you mean for a varregion?
2014-03-02 15:35 <LloydI> yea
2014-03-02 15:35 <nebadon_laptop> and no at this point there is no caching for that I do not think
2014-03-02 15:35 <LloydI> k
2014-03-02 15:35 <nebadon_laptop> I do think that Misterblue was exploring ways to improve terrain loading in vars though
2014-03-02 15:36 <nebadon_laptop> but I am not sure where he is with that or if its even something he is still pursing
2014-03-02 15:36 <nebadon_laptop> if you see him here do ask him
2014-03-02 15:36 <nebadon_laptop> not here at the moment
2014-03-02 15:36 <LloydI> gotcha, ....so with bulletsim physics enabled do scripts take advantage of it? vehicles, etc...
2014-03-02 15:38 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2014-03-02 15:38 <nebadon_laptop> though bulletsim is not quite 100% complete, most things will work as they should
2014-03-02 15:38 <nebadon_laptop> vehcile support is not quite 100% in either ODE or Bulletsim though
2014-03-02 15:38 <LloydI> ahh sweet... and is anyone writing scripts that take advantage of bulletsim yet... ;)
2014-03-02 15:39 <nebadon_laptop> bulletsim is being developed to closer match LL'
2014-03-02 15:39 <nebadon_laptop> s havok abilities
2014-03-02 15:39 <nebadon_laptop> our hope is that unmodified SL scripts will run as they should on BulletSim
2014-03-02 15:40 <nebadon_laptop> I have seen a few unmodified vehicles working quite well 
2014-03-02 15:40 <nebadon_laptop> you could ask vegaslon to demo some for you
2014-03-02 15:40 <nebadon_laptop> he might even have some good examples to share with you
2014-03-02 15:40 <nebadon_laptop> though he is also not here at the moment
2014-03-02 15:41 <LloydI> sweet!... Thank!
2014-03-02 15:41 <LloydI> I will do
2014-03-02 15:43 <LloydI> also does anyone have any info on configuring userprofiles for standalone varregion... or is such possible
2014-03-02 16:10 <diva> is there an option to restrict text chat to the parcel?
2014-03-02 16:11 <nebadon_laptop> no
2014-03-02 16:11 <diva> really?!
2014-03-02 16:11 <nebadon_laptop> not that I am aware of
2014-03-02 16:11 <nebadon_laptop> sounds and voice yes
2014-03-02 16:12 <nebadon_laptop> but text I do not think so
2014-03-02 16:12 <nebadon_laptop> that used to drive me nuts in SL
2014-03-02 16:12 <nebadon_laptop> especially shouting, sometimes people in clubs and malls would have shout scripts to make announcements
2014-03-02 16:12 <nebadon_laptop> and the whole damn region hears it
2014-03-02 16:14 <diva> that's so odd that there isn't such an option. Maybe we have it in opensim?
2014-03-02 16:14 <nebadon_laptop> I do not think we do
2014-03-02 16:14 <nebadon_laptop> we have the ability to control the distances, but not the ability to detect borders for such things
2014-03-02 16:14 <nebadon_laptop> and actually right now there is a bug because of varregions
2014-03-02 16:15 <nebadon_laptop> where you can hear chat and whispers from nieghbor regions eve if there is a space in between them
2014-03-02 16:15 <nebadon_laptop> I need to talk to Misterblue about that asap
2014-03-02 16:15 <diva> hmm, I'm doing a poster session space, and I don't think I want the poster spaces to leak chat from one to another
2014-03-02 16:16 <nebadon_laptop> make the chat distance the size of the parcels
2014-03-02 16:17 <nebadon_laptop> though that wont work really well
2014-03-02 16:17 <nebadon_laptop> if people get near the borders
2014-03-02 16:18 <nebadon_laptop> the only other options is go vertical
2014-03-02 16:27 <H-H-H> this might seem a stupid question but would opensim run on ARM if useing linux and mono?
2014-03-02 16:38 <Thonneve> H-H-H: I tried that on a HTC one, mysql and sqlite .dlls won't load, if we could recompile them with ARM support it should work if you moved as much off the ARM system as possible
2014-03-02 16:39 <H-H-H> im thinking of trying it on a beaglebone black 
2014-03-02 16:40 <Thonneve> You would definatley need to recompile the mysql connector then, everything else should work fine
2014-03-02 16:41 <H-H-H> hmmmmm interesting thanks Thonneve
2014-03-02 16:41 <Thonneve> No problem
2014-03-02 16:42 <H-H-H> be cool to have an opensource 3d world running on an opensource os on opensource hardware lol
2014-03-02 16:42 <Thonneve> If you have any luck I'd love to hear about it, I have a couple of spare android devices that run arch linux in a chroot that are doing nothing and would love to use them for something other than dust collecting
2014-03-02 16:42 <Thonneve> That would be awesome
2014-03-02 16:43 <nebadon_laptop> H-H-H if you can recompile all the binary files we include it should in theory run
2014-03-02 16:43 <nebadon_laptop> however I don't know how well things like physics will work
2014-03-02 16:43 <nebadon_laptop> but you would need to compile sqlite or mysql dlls for arm
2014-03-02 16:43 <nebadon_laptop> openjpeg
2014-03-02 16:44 <nebadon_laptop> you can use the C# version of bulletsim we include
2014-03-02 16:44 <nebadon_laptop> but its going to be considerably slower
2014-03-02 16:44 <nebadon_laptop> especially on slower arm hardware
2014-03-02 16:44 <H-H-H> biggest problem i see is that the ram on the beaglebone black is only 512mb but as a POC with just one region it should work
2014-03-02 16:44 <nebadon_laptop> ya that is another major factor
2014-03-02 16:44 <nebadon_laptop> even on x86 512 tends to not be enough
2014-03-02 16:45 <nebadon_laptop> opensim will run but at best maybe you can get 4-5 avatars and a few 100 prims
2014-03-02 16:45 <Thonneve> Any kind of physics would bring it to its knees
2014-03-02 16:45 <ssm2017> maybe a grid can be used in arm but running a simulator is a kind of a dream (afaik)
2014-03-02 16:45 <nebadon_laptop> it depends
2014-03-02 16:45 <nebadon_laptop> most of these arm boards run from SD cards
2014-03-02 16:45 <nebadon_laptop> so serving databases is going to be absolutely horrible
2014-03-02 16:45 <H-H-H> but if it works ok as a POC then as the hardware is open you could build your own with say 2gb ram
2014-03-02 16:46 <H-H-H> the beaglebone black uses nand flash
2014-03-02 16:46 <ssm2017> i have seen that someone already took the time to compile dlls for a rpi (need to find who it was and maybe create a dedicated page on the wiki ?)
2014-03-02 16:46 <nebadon_laptop> ya that is very slow
2014-03-02 16:46 <H-H-H> or it can also boot from sd
2014-03-02 16:46 <nebadon_laptop> compared to say a 7200 rpm drive or SSD
2014-03-02 16:46 <H-H-H> yeah it would be slower but it could also boot from a usb hard drive
2014-03-02 16:47 <nebadon_laptop> honestly you would be better off using a mini-itx atom board
2014-03-02 16:47 <Thonneve> Or finding a cheap 2012 version nexus 7 and using something like that
2014-03-02 16:47 <H-H-H> i dont thinkk i have played with one of those i need to hit googe i think
2014-03-02 16:48 <nebadon_laptop> http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-A2550IT&c=FR&pid=91a80a7c57a567b35e989b3b2f65300fde467ce60654b0b9042d03d1a6ba6323&gclid=COHymvSm9LwCFY19Ogod1SwAQw
2014-03-02 16:48 <ssm2017> frnic did the job to compile all dlls
2014-03-02 16:48 <Thonneve> Should be fast enough for opensim with enough ram for 1 region
2014-03-02 16:48 <nebadon_laptop> you can get them super cheap
2014-03-02 16:48 <nebadon_laptop> and they support 2 or 4gb ram
2014-03-02 16:48 <H-H-H> i was just thinking of a beaglebone black as i have one to hand
2014-03-02 16:49 <nebadon_laptop> ya its a fun challenge
2014-03-02 16:49 <nebadon_laptop> but it would be very anticlimatic victory to get opensim running
2014-03-02 16:49 <nebadon_laptop> because thats the end of the road pretty much, it will just run
2014-03-02 16:49 <nebadon_laptop> you cant really do anything with it
2014-03-02 16:50 <Abitar> Opensim will run on anpout anyhting that wil l run the .net libs :) But it how well will it run the question :) 
2014-03-02 16:50 <H-H-H> as i said though its opensource so for example you could prove it works and then build it with better cpu and more ram etc 
2014-03-02 16:50 <nebadon_laptop> ya not well on current ARM stuff
2014-03-02 16:51 <nebadon_laptop> H-H-H perhaps, but until the cpus get considerably faster too
2014-03-02 16:51 <nebadon_laptop> thats also a major issue
2014-03-02 16:51 <Thonneve> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=25193
2014-03-02 16:51 <nebadon_laptop> a raspberry pi is equivalent to something like a 300-400mhz Pentium 3
2014-03-02 16:51 <H-H-H> beaglebone black runs at 1.2ghz if set right
2014-03-02 16:51 <nebadon_laptop> the beagle boards are not much better
2014-03-02 16:51 <Abitar> Well ARM were not designed for speed in the most part :) 
2014-03-02 16:51 <nebadon_laptop> ya but you cant compare 1.2ghz arm to 1.2ghz x86 either
2014-03-02 16:51 <nebadon_laptop> its not a 1:1 comparison
2014-03-02 16:52 <Thonneve> Apparently someone got opensim working on the raspberry pi...
2014-03-02 16:52 <H-H-H> no true :)
2014-03-02 16:52 <H-H-H> rasberry pi is 700mhs AAIK
2014-03-02 16:52 <Thonneve> Yeah
2014-03-02 16:52 <nebadon_laptop> ya and it runs considerably slower than a 1.6ghz atom cpu
2014-03-02 16:52 <Thonneve> But it's also a very crappy CPU compared to the beagleboard black
2014-03-02 16:52 <nebadon_laptop> the atom in terms of running opensim is probably 10 times faster
2014-03-02 16:52 <Abitar> I got opensim running on my droid but the esperences was not worth it. 
2014-03-02 16:53 <nebadon_laptop> atoms are basically smaller die pentium 4D chips
2014-03-02 16:53 <nebadon_laptop> arm is no where near that level of power
2014-03-02 16:54 <Thonneve> ARM isn't designed for power, it's designed for saving electricity for use in tablets, phones and other embedded devices
2014-03-02 16:54 <nebadon_laptop> right
2014-03-02 16:54 <nebadon_laptop> run well on batteries
2014-03-02 16:54 <nebadon_laptop> or be embedded in very small devices
2014-03-02 16:54 <nebadon_laptop> its not a server
2014-03-02 16:54 <nebadon_laptop> its quite the opposite of a server
2014-03-02 16:54 <H-H-H> its a consumer
2014-03-02 16:56 <Thonneve> I reckon ARM could one day become a competitor to x86 but not for a while
2014-03-02 16:56 <H-H-H> anyways it was just a thought as i say it would be cool to run 100% opensource
2014-03-02 16:57 <nebadon_laptop> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9241234/Intel_39_s_first_39_open_source_PC_39_on_sale_for_199
2014-03-02 16:58 <Abitar> ARM will only be goodfor a part of the market, and that what it was designed for 
2014-03-02 16:58 <nebadon_laptop> its probably slow though
2014-03-02 16:58 <nebadon_laptop> http://www.minnowboard.org/
2014-03-02 17:00 <H-H-H> 1ghz cpu gigabit net and 1gb ram 
2014-03-02 17:00 <nebadon_laptop> ya not bad
2014-03-02 17:00 <nebadon_laptop> i found a place that has it for 189$
2014-03-02 17:00 <H-H-H> nice litte bit of kit actually
2014-03-02 17:01 <nebadon_laptop> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?lang=en&site=us&KeyWords=minnow
2014-03-02 17:02 <nebadon_laptop> its about same size as the beagle
2014-03-02 17:03 <H-H-H> bookmarked thanks neb :)
2014-03-02 17:03 <nebadon_laptop> no problem
2014-03-02 17:03 <nebadon_laptop> let me know if you ever get your hands on one
2014-03-02 17:03 <H-H-H> will do 
2014-03-02 17:04 <Thonneve> Didn't intel release a x86 development board?
2014-03-02 17:04 <Thonneve> One that was the size of a SD card or something?
2014-03-02 17:04 <nebadon_laptop> they didnt release it
2014-03-02 17:04 <Thonneve> Oh
2014-03-02 17:04 <Thonneve> Well that was stupid of them
2014-03-02 17:04 <nebadon_laptop> it was prototype for Electronics Show if i recall
2014-03-02 17:05 <nebadon_laptop> they might eventually
2014-03-02 17:05 <nebadon_laptop> prototypes are one thing
2014-03-02 17:05 <nebadon_laptop> mass production is another
2014-03-02 17:05 <Thonneve> I'm sure intel could mass produce it if they wanted to
2014-03-02 17:05 <nebadon_laptop> its easy to make 1 off very dense hardware
2014-03-02 17:06 <H-H-H> theres a few minnowboards on ebay but damn there pricey
2014-03-02 17:06 <nebadon_laptop> ya, but its not a matter of can
2014-03-02 17:06 <nebadon_laptop> versus a matter of how much does it cost
2014-03-02 17:06 <Thonneve> True
2014-03-02 17:06 <Abitar> And you can find 3rd party boards also 
2014-03-02 17:06 <Thonneve> I thought some company started making a dev board using x86 hardware
2014-03-02 17:07 <nebadon_laptop> also I think Intel is not good at making motherboards
2014-03-02 17:07 <nebadon_laptop> they never realy have been
2014-03-02 17:07 <nebadon_laptop> they make chips
2014-03-02 17:07 <nebadon_laptop> chipsets and cpus
2014-03-02 17:07 <Abitar> there one, that making it with .net develmentsystem with it too, trying to rember where i saw it at 
2014-03-02 17:07 <nebadon_laptop> and they rely mostly on 3rd party boards
2014-03-02 17:07 <Thonneve> They're a chip company, not really motherboard company
2014-03-02 17:07 <nebadon_laptop> right
2014-03-02 17:08 <H-H-H> Abitar maybe the Arduino Yun ?
2014-03-02 17:08 <Thonneve> Just like nvidia is a GPU company, they branch out into some other stuff and ussually fail
2014-03-02 17:08 <Abitar> might of been I been lookign around alot recently for a cheap board that I can hose a sim with :)
2014-03-02 17:09 <Abitar> Benn playing with a VM and trying to come up with a all ram setup :) 
2014-03-02 17:10 <Thonneve> An all ram setup?
2014-03-02 17:11 <Abitar> yeah, bascily it does a remote bootup and does not rely on static storage localy 
2014-03-02 17:12 <Thonneve> Ah right
2014-03-02 17:12 <Thonneve> You'd need quite a fast network for that
2014-03-02 17:12 <Abitar> Less less moving parrs the beer :) 
2014-03-02 17:13 <Abitar> tetter :)
2014-03-02 17:14 <Abitar> Dont relly need any special network. 
2014-03-02 17:45 <Thonneve> I think my kernel is too new, I no longer have iptables..
2014-03-02 17:46 <dahlia> iptables is a program
2014-03-02 17:46 <Thonneve> Also has a kernel module or two
2014-03-02 17:46 <Thonneve> Which are no longer included
2014-03-02 17:49 <nebadon_laptop> what linux?
2014-03-02 17:49 <Thonneve> 3.14.0
2014-03-02 17:49 <Thonneve> Git pulled from an hour ago
2014-03-02 17:50 <Thonneve> sudo iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT --dst $ip -p udp --dport 9000:9010 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.1.120
2014-03-02 17:50 <Thonneve> How on earth do I replicate that in nftables
2014-03-02 17:51 <H-H-H> carefully ?
2014-03-02 17:56 <Thonneve> I gotta get nftables compiled in properly first -.0
2014-03-02 21:15 <Plugh> how are prim limits affected with variable sized regions?
2014-03-02 21:42 <Aleric> issue 6121 is still broken.. but I can't add a comment, why not?
2014-03-02 21:43 <Aleric> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6121
2014-03-02 21:48 <paulieflomar> Aleric, I belive that is fixed in a patch that will be included in the next OSgrid release.
2014-03-02 21:48 <paulieflomar> Dunno why you cant edit the issue, though.
2014-03-02 21:49 <paulieflomar> I'm no expert on teh Mantis.
2014-03-02 22:34 <Aleric> paulieflomar: probably because it was closed as resolved.
2014-03-02 22:34 <Aleric> paulieflomar: the patch doesn't fix it correctly.
2014-03-02 22:34 <Aleric> it's not resolved.
2014-03-02 22:36 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-02 22:37 <Aleric> Can someone help me understand the code please? I'm trying to fix this, but I'm kinda stuck on C#.
2014-03-02 22:37 <Aleric> diva: are you around? :)
2014-03-02 22:37 <diva> sorta
2014-03-02 22:37 <Aleric> Hi, I'm looking at:
2014-03-02 22:37 <Aleric> protected LSL_List SetAgentParams(ScenePresence sp, LSL_List rules, string originFunc, ref uint rulesParsed)
2014-03-02 22:38 <Aleric> in OpenSim/Region/ScriptEngine/Shared/Api/Implementation/LSL_Api.cs
2014-03-02 22:38 <Aleric> If the avatar 'sp' is sitting on something, how can I get the rotation of that?
2014-03-02 22:38 <Aleric> this code does:
2014-03-02 22:38 <Aleric> sp.Rotation = rules.GetQuaternionItem(idx++);
2014-03-02 22:39 <Aleric> for both PRIM_ROTATION and PRIM_ROT_LOCAL, but the former needs to take the rotation of what it is sitting on into account as well.
2014-03-02 22:40 <Aleric> Need something like:
2014-03-02 22:41 <Aleric> if (code == (int)ScriptBaseClass.PRIM_ROTATION) sp.Rotation *= sp.getQuaternionOfParent();
2014-03-02 22:41 <Aleric> Can you, or anyone, help please?
2014-03-02 22:44 <Plugh> Must be in the master branch as I don't see that in 076 which I currently have checked out.
2014-03-02 22:44 <Aleric> Sure, it's a very recent patch
2014-03-02 22:45 <Aleric> but I doubt that ScenePresence was changed much :p
2014-03-02 22:45 <Aleric> How to get the rotation quarternion of what a ScenePresence is sitting on?
2014-03-02 22:48 <Plugh> Does GetLinkEntity() give you any ideas?
2014-03-02 22:49 <Aleric> ParentPart seems to be a member of ScenePresence? How could I access that?
2014-03-02 22:50 <Plugh> hm... m_host is a SOP. 
2014-03-02 22:51 <Plugh> I have a cat in need of attention. 
2014-03-02 22:51 <Plugh> When digging for stuff like this I find it helpful to use monodevelop. 
2014-03-02 22:52 <Aleric> I think it's mostly a problem of me not knowing C# and the lack of proper documentation in the code :/
2014-03-02 22:52 <Plugh> I find it helps me track down stuff I'm looking for, or just trying to find other bits of code that do what I want.
2014-03-02 22:52 <Plugh> I'm not what you would call a C# person either.
2014-03-02 22:52 <Aleric> lkalif: maybe you can help?
2014-03-02 22:52 <lkalif> Aleric: I'm just waiting for you to say you're about to rewrite it
2014-03-02 22:52 <Plugh> Its close enough to C that I can read it and I know enough of the basics of OOP that I have been able to do a few changes.
2014-03-02 22:53 <Aleric> lkalif: this should be a one-liner fix :/
2014-03-02 22:54 <lkalif> fix for what?
2014-03-02 22:54 <lkalif> you can multuply quaternions
2014-03-02 22:54 <lkalif> orders matters, I always forget which goes first in a * b
2014-03-02 22:54 <lkalif> try both :P
2014-03-02 22:54 <Aleric> I want to get the quaternion first.
2014-03-02 22:55 <lkalif> that's not c# question
2014-03-02 22:55 <Aleric> How to get the rotation of the object that an avatar is sitting on, if I have the ScenePresence
2014-03-02 22:55 <lkalif> I don't knnow the object structure of opensim
2014-03-02 22:56 <Aleric> I need to get a 'part', whatever that stands for.
2014-03-02 22:56 <Aleric> I think it is ParentPart
2014-03-02 22:57 <Aleric> but I have no clue how to access ParentPart, which seems to be a member of ScenePresence thus
2014-03-02 22:58 <Aleric> Quaternion rot = sp.ParentPart.GetWorldRotation();
2014-03-02 22:58 <Aleric> something like that
2014-03-02 23:00 <Aleric>         public SceneObjectPart ParentPart { get; set; }
2014-03-02 23:00 <Aleric> that is the declation
2014-03-02 23:00 <Aleric> that soooo doesn't look like C or C++
2014-03-02 23:00 <Aleric> get; set; wtf ?
2014-03-02 23:00 <lkalif> that's "property", treat it as regular object field
2014-03-02 23:01 <lkalif> allows you to override getter and setter
2014-03-02 23:01 <Aleric> So, sp.ParentPart would work?
2014-03-02 23:01 <lkalif> but that's not used in this case
2014-03-02 23:01 <lkalif> yes
2014-03-02 23:01 <Aleric> The comment says:
2014-03-02 23:01 <Aleric>         /// If you use this property then you must take a reference since another thread could set it to null.
2014-03-02 23:01 <Aleric>  
2014-03-02 23:01 <Aleric> how would I take a reference?
2014-03-02 23:02 <lkalif> just assing it to some var
2014-03-02 23:02 <Aleric> Actually seems to make more sense to not take a reference, cause if you test if it is nul and then use it - it's better if it wasn't suddenly set to nul :p
2014-03-02 23:02 <lkalif> SceneObjectPart foo = bar.ParentPart;
2014-03-02 23:02 <Aleric> Maybe the comment means to take a copy?
2014-03-02 23:02 <lkalif> Aleric: when you hear "reference", think pointer
2014-03-02 23:03 <lkalif> most everything in C# is a reference
2014-03-02 23:03 <Aleric> If foo is a C++ reference, then this could go horrible wrong.
2014-03-02 23:03 <Aleric> SceneObjectPart foo = bar.ParentPart;
2014-03-02 23:03 <lkalif> Aleric: try paying attention
2014-03-02 23:03 <Aleric> if (foo)
2014-03-02 23:03 <Aleric> {
2014-03-02 23:03 <lkalif> in c++ that would be
2014-03-02 23:03 <Aleric>   //use foo <-- crashes cause foo was set to NULL by another thread in the mean time
2014-03-02 23:04 <lkalif> SceneObjectPart *foo = &bar.ParentPart
2014-03-02 23:04 <lkalif> except c# is not ugly
2014-03-02 23:04 <Aleric> In C++ you'd use a reference to take a reference:
2014-03-02 23:04 <lkalif> so you just do: SceneObjectPart foo = bar.ParentPart;
2014-03-02 23:04 <Aleric> SceneObjectPart& foo = bar.ParentPart;
2014-03-02 23:05 <lkalif> c++ is idiotic
2014-03-02 23:05 <Aleric> that doesn't look idiotic, it just makes a difference between a reference and a copy
2014-03-02 23:05 <lkalif> you're overthinking here because you're used to c++ idiocy
2014-03-02 23:05 <lkalif> SceneObjectPart foo = bar.ParentPart;
2014-03-02 23:06 <lkalif> if at the time that gets executed bar.ParentPart; is not null, foo will never become null
2014-03-02 23:06 <Aleric> If that makes foo volatile then that isn't good coding... it would need a mutex to protect it :/
2014-03-02 23:06 <lkalif> NO fur fucks sake
2014-03-02 23:06 <lkalif> it's not c++
2014-03-02 23:06 <Aleric> Anyway, I'll leave fixing crashes to justin - I just need to access it.
2014-03-02 23:06 <lkalif> foo is local var
2014-03-02 23:06 <lkalif> it cannot be changed
2014-03-02 23:07 <Aleric> That's called a copy then, not a reference.
2014-03-02 23:07 <Aleric> (or pointer)
2014-03-02 23:07 <lkalif> it's C# reference
2014-03-02 23:08 <lkalif> too bad c++ damages you so you cannot think outside its insanity
2014-03-02 23:08 <Aleric> You showed me the equivalent in C++, that looked a lot like a C++ reference.
2014-03-02 23:08 <Aleric> lol
2014-03-02 23:08 <lkalif> and I already told you that C# reference is more like c++ pointer
2014-03-02 23:08 <Aleric> You're one of a kind, it makes it a bit hard to discuss this reasonably though.
2014-03-02 23:08 <lkalif> except for the c++ crap where you have to worry about where to allocate and destroy
2014-03-02 23:09 <Aleric> If another thread can set 'it' to null, then (in C++, so I know for sure what I show):
2014-03-02 23:09 <lkalif> now, another thread cannot set it to null, once you have assigned it to your local var
2014-03-02 23:09 <Aleric> int ParentPart;  // is set to null by other threads at random moments.
2014-03-02 23:10 <Aleric> // thread A:
2014-03-02 23:10 <Aleric> int& foo = ParentPart;
2014-03-02 23:10 <Aleric> rather... need it to be a pointer.
2014-03-02 23:10 <lkalif> well c++ is stupid
2014-03-02 23:10 <Aleric> int* ParentPart;  // is set to null by other threads at random moments.
2014-03-02 23:10 <Aleric> int*& foo = ParentPart;
2014-03-02 23:10 <Aleric> if (foo)
2014-03-02 23:11 <Aleric> {
2014-03-02 23:11 <Aleric>   int x = *foo;
2014-03-02 23:11 <Aleric> }
2014-03-02 23:11 <Aleric> perfect code, except that if thread B sets ParentPart to NULL after thread A tested foo to be not null, it crashes.
2014-03-02 23:11 <lkalif> yes, you're proving my point that c++ is idiotic
2014-03-02 23:12 <lkalif> in c#:
2014-03-02 23:12 <lkalif> SomeType a = SomeObject;
2014-03-02 23:12 <lkalif> SomeType b = a;
2014-03-02 23:12 <lkalif> a = null;
2014-03-02 23:12 <lkalif> b is still alive and well
2014-03-02 23:12 <lkalif> and it's not a copy, it's a reference
2014-03-02 23:12 <lkalif> to the same object
2014-03-02 23:12 <lkalif> its just automatic
2014-03-02 23:14 <Aleric> Ok, I get it.  
2014-03-02 23:14 <Aleric> In C++ that would be:
2014-03-02 23:14 <lkalif> you cannot do that in c++
2014-03-02 23:14 <Aleric> SomeType SomeObject; // is never deleted.
2014-03-02 23:14 <Aleric> SomeType* a = &SomeObject;
2014-03-02 23:14 <Aleric> SomeType* b = a;
2014-03-02 23:14 <Aleric> a = NULL;
2014-03-02 23:15 <Aleric> b is still alive and usable (as *b)
2014-03-02 23:16 <Aleric> (and references and pointers are the same, just different syntax - so using references that would be:
2014-03-02 23:16 <lkalif> but in c++ SomeObject would be dead ouside that function
2014-03-02 23:16 <Aleric> SomeType& a = SomeObject;
2014-03-02 23:16 <Aleric> SomeType& b = a;
2014-03-02 23:16 <lkalif> when it goes out of stack
2014-03-02 23:16 <Aleric> a = NULL; // not possible in C++
2014-03-02 23:16 <Aleric> I mean... 
2014-03-02 23:16 <Aleric> setting the underlaying pointer of a reference to NULL is not possible.
2014-03-02 23:16 <lkalif> if you use "new" you're fucked if it gets deleted and you try to use SomeType* b = a; 
2014-03-02 23:17 <Aleric> So I guess the big difference is that since everything in C# are references that are automatically "cleaned up" you have problems like this where a reference is really a pointer that can suddenly be NULL - unlike in C++. C# is idiotic.
2014-03-02 23:18 <lkalif> you're just damaged by years of c++ :P
2014-03-02 23:18 <Aleric> You always manage to make it personal.
2014-03-02 23:19 <lkalif> how is simple "foo = bar.baz" idiotic?
2014-03-02 23:19 <lkalif> without all the &* c++ crap
2014-03-02 23:19 <lkalif> but you are overthinking it because you're used to have to worry about that stuff
2014-03-02 23:20 <lkalif> which just gets in the way of being productive
2014-03-02 23:20 <Aleric> All I needed to a syntax explanation, not a religious fight. You're the one being not productive. You could have simply explained how it worked without all the 'you are'.
2014-03-02 23:20 <lkalif> so when the comment says "take a reference" it means don't use sp.ParentPart in your code, first assign to local var and then use that
2014-03-02 23:21 <Aleric> ok
2014-03-02 23:22 <lkalif> but I would be suprised if opensim didn't already calculate world rotation of avatar
2014-03-02 23:23 <lkalif> Aleric: what type is the object you get your avatar info from?
2014-03-02 23:24 <Aleric> ScenePresence sp
2014-03-02 23:24 <Aleric> SceneObjectPart part = sp.ParentPart;
2014-03-02 23:24 <Aleric> now to get the world rotation of that, if it is not 'null'.
2014-03-02 23:25 <Aleric> if (part)
2014-03-02 23:25 <Aleric> will work I guess?
2014-03-02 23:25 <lkalif> part != null
2014-03-02 23:25 <lkalif> c# if is strictly bool
2014-03-02 23:25 <lkalif> if statement i mean
2014-03-02 23:26 <Aleric>         /// <summary>
2014-03-02 23:26 <Aleric>         /// If the avatar is sitting, the prim that it's sitting on.  If not sitting then null.
2014-03-02 23:26 <Aleric>         /// </summary>
2014-03-02 23:26 <Aleric>         public SceneObjectPart ParentPart { get; set; }
2014-03-02 23:26 <Aleric> so what means 'null' there? How to test if it is null or not?
2014-03-02 23:26 <lkalif> if (part != null) ...
2014-03-02 23:26 <Aleric> Oh, ok
2014-03-02 23:27 <Aleric> Can I declare new local variables in the middle of case statements of a switch?
2014-03-02 23:27 <Aleric> case ...:
2014-03-02 23:27 <Aleric>   Foo foo = ...;
2014-03-02 23:27 <Aleric> case ...:
2014-03-02 23:27 <Aleric>   .. use foo
2014-03-02 23:27 <Aleric> ?
2014-03-02 23:27 <lkalif> sure
2014-03-02 23:28 <lkalif> whole switch is one scope
2014-03-02 23:28 <lkalif> so you cannot do this:
2014-03-02 23:28 <lkalif> case ...: int foo = 1;
2014-03-02 23:28 <lkalif> case ...: int foo = 1;
2014-03-02 23:28 <Aleric> k
2014-03-02 23:29 <lkalif> it will complain that int foo was already declared
2014-03-02 23:29 <Aleric> How do I assign a Quaternion a value that doesn't rotate anything?
2014-03-02 23:29 <Aleric> ZERO_ROTATION or something...
2014-03-02 23:29 <lkalif> Quaternion.Identity iirc
2014-03-02 23:29 <Aleric> yup, thanks
2014-03-02 23:35 <Aleric> http://codepad.org/OnAj9iMr
2014-03-02 23:35 <Aleric> I hope that will compile
2014-03-02 23:36 <Aleric>        LSL_Api.cs(8055,33): error CS0103: The name `parent_rotation' does not exist in the current context
2014-03-02 23:36 <Aleric>         LSL_Api.cs(8041,21): error CS0163: Control cannot fall through from one case label to another
2014-03-02 23:36 <Aleric>         LSL_Api.cs(8061,43): error CS0103: The name `parent_rotation' does not exist in the current context
2014-03-02 23:36 <lkalif> you called it parent_rot
2014-03-02 23:37 <Aleric> oh heh
2014-03-02 23:37 <lkalif> and you forgot break;
2014-03-02 23:37 <Aleric>         LSL_Api.cs(8041,21): error CS0163: Control cannot fall through from one case label to another
2014-03-02 23:37 <Aleric>         LSL_Api.cs(8061,43): error CS0121: The call is ambiguous between the following methods or properties: `OpenMetaverse.Quaternion.
2014-03-02 23:37 <Aleric> Metaverse.Quaternion, OpenMetaverse.Quaternion)' and `OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Shared.LSL_Types.Quaternion.operator *(OpenSim.Region.
2014-03-02 23:37 <Aleric> ared.LSL_Types.Quaternion, OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Shared.LSL_Types.Quaternion)'
2014-03-02 23:37 <Aleric> I want it to fall through
2014-03-02 23:38 <Aleric> case X:
2014-03-02 23:38 <Aleric> case Y:
2014-03-02 23:38 <Aleric> worked
2014-03-02 23:38 <lkalif> empty works
2014-03-02 23:38 <Aleric> but not if you add code in between?
2014-03-02 23:38 <lkalif> for non empty you have to use goto instad of break
2014-03-02 23:39 <Aleric> goto what? A new label?
2014-03-02 23:39 <Aleric> Sorry, got a syntax?
2014-03-02 23:39 <lkalif> goto case (int)ScriptBaseClass.PRIM_ROT_LOCAL;
2014-03-02 23:39 <lkalif> syntax is: goto case <case_as_defined>
2014-03-02 23:40 <Aleric> LSL_Api.cs(8062,43): error CS0121: The call is ambiguous between the following methods or properties: `OpenMetaverse.Quaternion.
2014-03-02 23:40 <Aleric> Metaverse.Quaternion, OpenMetaverse.Quaternion)' and `OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Shared.LSL_Types.Quaternion.operator *(OpenSim.Region.
2014-03-02 23:40 <Aleric> ared.LSL_Types.Quaternion, OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Shared.LSL_Types.Quaternion)'
2014-03-02 23:40 <Aleric> last one
2014-03-02 23:40 <Aleric> sp.Rotation = parent_rot * rules.GetQuaternionItem(idx++);
2014-03-02 23:41 <Aleric> I added the 'parent_rot *'
2014-03-02 23:41 <lkalif> I blame OpenSIm devs on that one
2014-03-02 23:42 <Aleric> I suppose I used the wrong type of parent_rot ?
2014-03-02 23:42 <Aleric> for*
2014-03-02 23:42 <lkalif> try explicitly declaring it as
2014-03-02 23:42 <lkalif> OpenMetaverse.Quaternion parent_rot = ...
2014-03-02 23:44 <lkalif> Aleric: what function is that in?
2014-03-02 23:49 <lkalif> Aleric: I'm looking at the current code:
2014-03-02 23:50 <lkalif> Aleric: http://codepad.org/e7XVbrN4
2014-03-02 23:50 <lkalif> .GetWorldRotation() does that calc
2014-03-02 23:53 <lkalif> ah differnt place
2014-03-02 23:53 <lkalif> dunno which function you're looking at
2014-03-02 23:56 <Aleric> LSL_Types.Quaternion parent_rot  you mean?
2014-03-02 23:57 <lkalif> no OpenMetaverse.
2014-03-03 00:00 <Aleric> I tried LSL_Types.Quaternion first and that compiled
2014-03-03 00:01 <lkalif> GetWorldRotation() return OpenMetaverse.Quaternion
2014-03-03 00:01 <Aleric> I found it to return LSL_Types.Quaternion - which makes more sense too cause this is in the middle of LSL script related code.
2014-03-03 00:02 <Aleric> Oh
2014-03-03 00:02 <Aleric> no, I mean what I multiply with does
2014-03-03 00:02 <lkalif> which function are you modifying+
2014-03-03 00:02 <lkalif> ?
2014-03-03 00:03 <Aleric> rules.GetQuaternionItem(idx++) returns LSL_Types.Quaternion
2014-03-03 00:03 <Aleric> namespace OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Shared.Api
2014-03-03 00:04 <lkalif> which function is that diff you pasted from?
2014-03-03 00:04 <Aleric> protected LSL_List SetAgentParams(ScenePresence sp, LSL_List rules, string originFunc, ref uint rulesParsed)
2014-03-03 00:06 <Aleric> Ok, this fixed it.
2014-03-03 00:06 <Aleric> My script works the same as in SL now.
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2014-03-03 01:57 <Thonneve> nebadon_: Are you around?
2014-03-03 01:57 <nebadon_> hey
2014-03-03 01:57 <Thonneve> I got opensim working on my HTC one
2014-03-03 01:57 <nebadon_> heh nice
2014-03-03 01:57 <Thonneve> Just need to recompile openjpeg
2014-03-03 01:57 <nebadon_> thats the only one?
2014-03-03 01:58 <nebadon_> what about sqlite or mysql?
2014-03-03 01:58 <Thonneve> sqlite works ASSUMING you use a soft float distro
2014-03-03 01:58 <Thonneve> Hard float = no workie
2014-03-03 01:58 <Thonneve> Haven't tried mysql though
2014-03-03 01:58 <Thonneve> ODE and bullet won't load at all
2014-03-03 01:58 <nebadon_> yea
2014-03-03 01:58 <Thonneve> So I went with basic physics to keep load down
2014-03-03 01:58 <nebadon_> you would need to compile them for arm
2014-03-03 01:58 <nebadon_> actually
2014-03-03 01:58 <nebadon_> there is a C# version of bulletsim you could try
2014-03-03 01:59 <Thonneve> I wouldn't even want to risk my HTC one with physics
2014-03-03 01:59 <Thonneve> If it was a layabout device I'd be happy to bring it to it's knees, but it's my actual phone haha
2014-03-03 01:59 <nebadon_> dd this
2014-03-03 02:00 <nebadon_> [BulletSim]
2014-03-03 02:00 <nebadon_> BulletEngine = "bulletxna"
2014-03-03 02:00 <nebadon_> might not be to bad
2014-03-03 02:00 <nebadon_> just dont make physics prims and stuff lol
2014-03-03 02:00 <nebadon_> but walking around should be fine
2014-03-03 02:01 <nebadon_> you are able to log into it ok?
2014-03-03 02:01 <Thonneve> I can't find bulletengine
2014-03-03 02:01 <Thonneve> Haven't tried logging in, atleast not yet
2014-03-03 02:01 <nebadon_> ya its not in OpenSim.ini.example
2014-03-03 02:01 <nebadon_> add that section
2014-03-03 02:01 <nebadon_> look in OpenSimDefaults.ini
2014-03-03 02:01 <nebadon_> it has a lot more stuff than the example
2014-03-03 02:01 <nebadon_> if you want to change anything that is in defaults copy and paste it into your OpenSim.ini
2014-03-03 02:01 <nebadon_> dont change the defaults
2014-03-03 02:02 <Thonneve> Bulletsim loaded
2014-03-03 02:02 <Thonneve> Now to recompile openjpeg
2014-03-03 02:02 <nebadon_> nice
2014-03-03 02:03 <Thonneve> Where can I find the .net openjpeg source?
2014-03-03 02:03 <nebadon_> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=tree&p=opensim-libs&h=55723430bf37769eb16145be0ce67f301c503d64&hb=3eda0768a2f2ce3f75cbf011ed4c82fe4e406bdf&f=trunk/unmanaged
2014-03-03 02:04 <nebadon_> its in the opensim-libs repo
2014-03-03 02:05 <Thonneve> Right let's see how well this works then
2014-03-03 02:06 <Thonneve> If it works locally I'll set it up to work remotely so people can have a mess around in it
2014-03-03 02:10 <Thonneve> nebadon_: What build requirements will I need?
2014-03-03 02:12 <Thonneve> I also never thought about the fact it will take forever to compile
2014-03-03 02:13 <nebadon_> hmm I am not sure I never actually compild openjpeg before
2014-03-03 02:14 <nebadon_> never had a need to
2014-03-03 02:16 <Thonneve> I need to make it compile for AnyCPU
2014-03-03 02:16 <Thonneve> Which I have no idea how to do
2014-03-03 03:01 <nebadon> any luck Thonneve?
2014-03-03 03:13 <Thonneve> nebadon: I'm stuck at compiling openjpeg for arm
2014-03-03 03:13 <Thonneve> Never modified a sln or anything so I don't know how that works
2014-03-03 03:14 <Thonneve> Login and getting in-region works though
2014-03-03 03:14 <Thonneve> It doesn't last long though, android starts killing stuff that linux needs leading to a frozen phone, but that's after a while atleast
2014-03-03 03:21 <Thonneve> nebadon: Are assets sent from the viewer or grid? If so then I won't need to compile openjpeg right?
2014-03-03 03:45 <dahlia> nebadon: OpenSimulator uses the openjpeg that comes with libomv, if there's one in opensim-libs it's prolly old
2014-03-03 03:47 <dahlia> Aleric: C# references are probably more like c++ shared pointers rather than pointers, in that the memory for the object being pointed to is managed by the runtime and when all copies of references are deleted it's able to be garbage collected
2014-03-03 03:56 <nebadon> oh ok
2014-03-03 03:56 <nebadon> is the source for that in the libomv source?
2014-03-03 03:59 <Thonneve> nebadon: It might just be the maptiles that's using a different openjpeg..
2014-03-03 04:18 <djphil> 
ACTION The opensim wiki is once again dead

2014-03-03 04:19 <djphil> 
ACTION (website too)

2014-03-03 04:35 <nebadon> should be fixed djphil
2014-03-03 04:36 <djphil> good :)
2014-03-03 04:37 <Thonneve> nebadon likes killing things
2014-03-03 04:37 <velus> lol
2014-03-03 04:41 <dahlia> nebadon: I'm not sure. lkalif would know
2014-03-03 04:42 <velus> why did he kill him lol
2014-03-03 07:13 <velus> does the regions run off udp?
2014-03-03 07:14 <Thonneve> It runs off UDP and TCP
2014-03-03 07:15 <velus> ok im trying to create a udp pinger for my self and check if the udp ports are open and working when i ping 8002 it shows it is but when i ping 9000 it shows nothing
2014-03-03 07:17 <velus> also how do i set up voice is there only an option for freeswitch or can you use others
2014-03-03 07:20 <Thonneve> You can ping 9000 with TCP
2014-03-03 07:27 <velus> ok ill use that then 
2014-03-03 09:29 <Thonneve> What viewers support var regions
2014-03-03 10:18 <Thonneve> Don't worry, forgot I haven't setup var regions yet haha
2014-03-03 12:32 <lloydi> Good day everyone!
2014-03-03 15:23 <lloydi> best web interface for opensim atm?
2014-03-03 15:25 <nebadon_laptop> divas wifi
2014-03-03 15:52 <lloydi> can't figure out where my userprofile is screwed for varregion.. http://pastebin.com/64ZvnJx8
2014-03-03 15:52 <lloydi> anyone ever seen anything like this?
2014-03-03 15:52 <lloydi> it's standalone build
2014-03-03 16:11 <Thonneve> lloydi: I'll check it out now
2014-03-03 16:11 <Thonneve> lloydi: Walk me through what happens when you receive this error
2014-03-03 16:12 <lloydi> ok
2014-03-03 16:12 <lloydi> I was actually picking up an object inworld and moving it..
2014-03-03 16:12 <lloydi> the it was a collection of objects
2014-03-03 16:13 <Thonneve> Was this on a var region?
2014-03-03 16:13 <lloydi> yes
2014-03-03 16:13 <Thonneve> When did you last do a git pull?
2014-03-03 16:13 <lloydi> doesn't happen much actually
2014-03-03 16:14 <lloydi> this is less than 48 hrs old
2014-03-03 16:14 <Thonneve> Hmm interesting
2014-03-03 16:14 <Thonneve> See the thing I don't get
2014-03-03 16:14 <Thonneve> Oh nvm missread it
2014-03-03 16:15 <Thonneve> Is it a crash or just a warning type thing?
2014-03-03 16:16 <lloydi> i'm still getting popup error updating properties button when I try to modify profile...
2014-03-03 16:17 <lloydi> so my userprofile is not configured correctly or an issue there
2014-03-03 16:17 <Thonneve> Are you connecting to osgrid? or is it a private grid?
2014-03-03 16:17 <lloydi> private standalone
2014-03-03 16:17 <Thonneve> Oh interesting
2014-03-03 16:18 <lloydi> but the damn thing is running like a champ with everything else!!!
2014-03-03 16:18 <Thonneve> I have a strange feeling standalone doesn't support groups
2014-03-03 16:18 <Thonneve> But don't quote me on that
2014-03-03 16:19 <lloydi> bulletsim, voice, warp3dmaps, ....
2014-03-03 16:19 <Thonneve> Bulletsim works amazing
2014-03-03 16:19 <lloydi> issue with teleport to smaller region beside a 1024x1024 region but it works
2014-03-03 16:19 <Thonneve> Never tried voice and warp3dmaps I'm not even sure what that is
2014-03-03 16:20 <lloydi> I can teleport into it from the map but get invalid region on map from 256x256 region
2014-03-03 16:20 <Thonneve> Also teleport issues seem to stem from old versions trying to port to new versions of the opensim codebase and vice versa
2014-03-03 16:21 <lloydi> http://pastebin.com/WwS9Eeeh
2014-03-03 16:23 <Thonneve> Thats about normal for an empty region
2014-03-03 16:24 <lloydi> not even a hickup on a windows quadcore xeon
2014-03-03 16:24 <Thonneve> I got opensim running on the HTC One
2014-03-03 16:25 <lloydi> ssd's?
2014-03-03 16:25 <Thonneve> It's an android phone
2014-03-03 16:25 <lloydi> oh..lol
2014-03-03 16:25 <lloydi> sweet
2014-03-03 16:26 <Thonneve> Got some bugs to work out but it works
2014-03-03 16:26 <lloydi> I'll bet that was interesting building
2014-03-03 16:27 <Thonneve> It took 20 minutes to compile opensim
2014-03-03 16:28 <lloydi> I have a couple issues with profiles, search, and I keep hearing some interesting noises from vivox every now and then ...
2014-03-03 16:28 <lloydi> but other than that.. 
2014-03-03 16:28 <lloydi> i love bulletsim
2014-03-03 16:29 <Thonneve> I wouldn't even get that far on my ARM Region
2014-03-03 16:29 <Thonneve> A lot of things are broken on it
2014-03-03 16:29 <Thonneve> But I have my main region, albeit unsused
2014-03-03 18:01 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-03 18:02 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2014-03-03 18:03 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-03-03 18:17 <Aleric> So... can anyone please reopen http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6121 so I can add a comment and additional patch?
2014-03-03 18:22 <jakdaniels> you could open another one and link them as related.... it'll get pushed up to the top of the list then too ;-)
2014-03-03 18:23 <Aleric> Which is actually the bottom of the list in terms of how urgent devs feel they should work on it :p
2014-03-03 18:23 <jakdaniels> oh yeah ... forgot about that :-)
2014-03-03 18:23 <Aleric> but ok, I am creating a new one.
2014-03-03 18:42 <lloydi> just wondering if anyone has any example code integrating bulletsim physics?
2014-03-03 18:42 <Aleric> isn't bulletsim the default by now?
2014-03-03 18:43 <Ken_S> lloydi, none of the ODE boat or sailing scripts I have work in Bulletsim, but
2014-03-03 18:43 <osmantis> Bug #7044:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams, llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast, llGetLinkPrimitiveParams do not work CORRECTLY on avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7044 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-03 18:43 <Ken_S> I recently got a plane and boat with a hud that works in bulletsim
2014-03-03 18:43 <Ken_S> Not well, but at least it does work.
2014-03-03 18:43 <lloydi> oh really!!!. 
2014-03-03 18:44 <lloydi> I'd just like to toy with some of the code, just started doing a bit of research
2014-03-03 18:44 <Ken_S> The motorboat is actually the plane modified to float, but still it works.
2014-03-03 18:44 <Ken_S> Send Ken Savage in osgrid a request about this. 
2014-03-03 18:45 <Ken_S> Ill respond next time I can get on
2014-03-03 18:45 <lloydi> ok kewl.. thanks Ken!
2014-03-03 18:45 <Ken_S> np, we need the Bulletsim stuff to move along for sure.
2014-03-03 18:46 <lloydi> i cannot believe how fast the terrain modifications are for a huge varregion!! 
2014-03-03 18:46 <Thonneve> nebadon_laptop: Is the whole OSgrid system run from nginx or is nginx the gateway?
2014-03-03 18:46 <lloydi> how the hell
2014-03-03 18:46 <osmantis> Bug #7044:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams, llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast, llGetLinkPrimitiveParams do not work CORRECTLY on avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7044 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006121.
2014-03-03 18:46 <osmantis> Bug #6121:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams, llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast, llGetLinkPrimitiveParams do not work on avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6121 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007044.
2014-03-03 18:47 <Ken_S> My terrain still loads super slow in a var when first TPing into it.
2014-03-03 18:47 <lloydi> yea initial load is slow
2014-03-03 18:47 <lloydi> but I think that can be tweaked a bit through mysql
2014-03-03 18:47 <Thonneve> Terrain needs to be compressed in order to get normal speeds
2014-03-03 18:48 <Ken_S> I have max packet size in MySQL set to almost 1gb now to avoid errors when loading large vars
2014-03-03 18:48 <lloydi> really
2014-03-03 18:48 <nebadon_laptop> nginx is just reverse proxy Thonneve
2014-03-03 18:48 <Thonneve> Ahh right
2014-03-03 18:49 <lloydi> mine not any where close to that
2014-03-03 18:49 <lloydi> *nix?
2014-03-03 18:49 <Thonneve> Do you happen to know if I need to setup something in order to have the LSL domain thing setup
2014-03-03 18:50 <Thonneve> Or will it just instinctively listen on the domain I setup?>
2014-03-03 18:50 <osmantis> Bug #7044:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams, llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast, llGetLinkPrimitiveParams do not work CORRECTLY on avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7044 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-03-03 18:50 <nebadon_laptop> there is a setting in OpenSim.ini [Network] section
2014-03-03 18:50 <nebadon_laptop> where you set the LSL url
2014-03-03 18:51 <nebadon_laptop> you need to specify it for it to work
2014-03-03 18:51 <nebadon_laptop> or it defaults to localhost I think
2014-03-03 18:51 <Thonneve> ExternalHostNameForLSL = "lsl.osaitia.cu.cc"
2014-03-03 18:51 <Thonneve> I set that
2014-03-03 18:51 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-03-03 18:51 <Thonneve> But will it listen on that?
2014-03-03 18:51 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2014-03-03 18:52 <nebadon_laptop> I have an example script for testing if you want
2014-03-03 18:52 <Thonneve> But will it listen on port 80 or should I setup a proxy rule for that?
2014-03-03 18:52 <Thonneve> Yeah that'd be awesome
2014-03-03 18:52 <nebadon_laptop> it will listen on whatever port is set in [Network] for HTTP
2014-03-03 18:53 <Thonneve> So If I want to remove the port part I should forward lsl.osatia.cu.cc:80 to lsl.osatia.cu.cc:regionport?
2014-03-03 18:54 <Thonneve> Rather than having to call lsl.osatia.cu.cc:9000/lsl/uuidere/whateverhere/lollongurl
2014-03-03 18:54 <nebadon_laptop> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=J6QUAXuq
2014-03-03 18:54 <nebadon_laptop> that should work I think Thonneve
2014-03-03 18:54 <Thonneve> I'll give it a test
2014-03-03 18:54 <nebadon_laptop> I have never tried so I cant say 100% it will work
2014-03-03 18:57 <Thonneve> Interesting
2014-03-03 18:57 <Thonneve> It refuses to load..
2014-03-03 18:58 <Thonneve> Oh wow
2014-03-03 18:58 <Thonneve> I am retarded
2014-03-03 18:58 <Thonneve> Yeah it works
2014-03-03 19:01 <nebadon_laptop> cmickeyb do you by chance know when Robert might be around again?
2014-03-03 19:02 <osmantis> Bug #7044:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams, llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast, llGetLinkPrimitiveParams do not work CORRECTLY on avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7044 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-03 19:05 <Thonneve> nebadon_laptop: How do I trick opensim into thinking it's using port 80?
2014-03-03 19:06 <nebadon_laptop> I am not sure you really can with the simulators
2014-03-03 19:06 <nebadon_laptop> maybe you can I have never done that with the simulators
2014-03-03 19:06 <nebadon_laptop> if your doing HG though I am just not sure its possible to completely trick it that way with a reverse proxy
2014-03-03 19:07 <nebadon_laptop> infact I am certain it could not be done 
2014-03-03 19:07 <Thonneve> How can I trick the URL reporter into thinking I'm on port 80 then?
2014-03-03 19:07 <nebadon_laptop> there are checks with hypergrid to check if URLs match, and I just dont think you could trick it
2014-03-03 19:08 <nebadon_laptop> you mean just the LSL url?
2014-03-03 19:08 <Thonneve> Yeah
2014-03-03 19:08 <nebadon_laptop> that might work fine with a nginx reverse proxy
2014-03-03 19:08 <nebadon_laptop> however each region would need a different url
2014-03-03 19:08 <nebadon_laptop> if you have 10 simulators running on same box
2014-03-03 19:08 <nebadon_laptop> you can not reverse proxy port 80 to all 10
2014-03-03 19:08 <nebadon_laptop> not using the same URL anyway
2014-03-03 19:09 <nebadon_laptop> you would need to do something like region1.mydomain.com
2014-03-03 19:09 <nebadon_laptop> region2.mydomain.com
2014-03-03 19:09 <Thonneve> I only need to do it for one instance
2014-03-03 19:09 <nebadon_laptop> and then determine the proxy from the URL
2014-03-03 19:09 <nebadon_laptop> ok then it shouldnt be that difficult
2014-03-03 19:09 <Thonneve> I'd have to mess with the code that reports the lsl url correct?
2014-03-03 19:09 <nebadon_laptop> just a standard reverse proxy should work fine, however you will not be able to use port 80 for anything else
2014-03-03 19:10 <nebadon_laptop> also it would be very unwise to do that on port 80
2014-03-03 19:10 <Thonneve> Whys that?
2014-03-03 19:10 <nebadon_laptop> crawler bots and other nefarious bots would constantly be hitting port 80
2014-03-03 19:10 <nebadon_laptop> and triggering the script
2014-03-03 19:10 <ftcodes1> simulators do not have that EnableProxy settings as far as I have seen
2014-03-03 19:10 <Thonneve> That's true
2014-03-03 19:10 <nebadon_laptop> better to use an obfuscated port that wont be hit much
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2014-03-03 19:20 <Thonneve> Oh my god I'm going to kill apache
2014-03-03 19:22 <SignpostMarv> someone wrote a node js script that lets you end tasks by typing "fuck you apache"
2014-03-03 19:24 <Thonneve> Apache can litterally die in a fire
2014-03-03 19:28 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-03-03 19:28 <Thonneve> Why is my old config not working?!
2014-03-03 19:29 <Thonneve> How do I make say webmin.osatia.cu.cc go to osatia.cu.cc:10000
2014-03-03 19:29 <Thonneve> I had it setup earlier
2014-03-03 19:29 <Thonneve> But now it's not working
2014-03-03 19:30 <nebadon_laptop> with apache?
2014-03-03 19:30 <Thonneve> Yeah
2014-03-03 19:30 <nebadon_laptop> no idea
2014-03-03 19:33 <Thonneve> I can either get it to do all urls
2014-03-03 19:33 <Thonneve> Or not at all
2014-03-03 19:33 <Thonneve> Which is both stupid and not at all what I want
2014-03-03 19:42 <Thonneve> nebadon_laptop: What port would you recomend apache running on if I'm going to do nginx proxying?
2014-03-03 19:46 <nebadon_laptop> doesnt really matter
2014-03-03 19:46 <nebadon_laptop> any free port is fine
2014-03-03 19:48 <osmantis> Bug #7044:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams, llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast, llGetLinkPrimitiveParams do not work CORRECTLY on avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7044 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-03 19:51 <Thonneve> Wow nginx is so easy to configure
2014-03-03 19:51 <SignpostMarv> the only problem with nginx is large portions of the interwebs assuming everyone uses apache and only providing mod_rewrite generators :P
2014-03-03 19:52 <Thonneve> SignpostMarv: I'm using it purely as a proxy, so everything is routed through to apache
2014-03-03 19:55 <Thonneve> nebadon_laptop: Could you check whether osatia.cu.cc and webmin.osatia.cu.cc resolve and work for you?
2014-03-03 19:56 <nebadon_laptop> they appear to return data yes
2014-03-03 19:57 <Thonneve> Is it giving human readable data?
2014-03-03 19:57 <Thonneve> I.E. a directory or login screen
2014-03-03 19:59 <nebadon_laptop> yep
2014-03-03 20:02 <Thonneve> Awesome
2014-03-03 20:06 <Thonneve> nebadon_laptop: So how do you reckon I create this lsl alias?
2014-03-03 20:59 <nebadon_laptop> hey sorry Thonneve was afk
2014-03-03 20:59 <nebadon_laptop> not sure I understand what you mean
2014-03-03 21:15 <osmantis> Bug #7045:04 Cached bakes system throwing error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7045 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-03 21:27 <osmantis> Bug #7045:04 Cached bakes system throwing error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7045 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-03 21:28 <Thonneve> nebadon_laptop: So that the lsl url uses port 80 through nginx
2014-03-03 21:28 <nebadon_laptop> oh I thought you figured that out already
2014-03-03 21:29 <nebadon_laptop> you basically just need to forward port 80 to whatever your regions HTTP port is
2014-03-03 21:29 <Thonneve> How would I make it report using port 80 though?
2014-03-03 21:34 <nebadon_laptop> hmm
2014-03-03 21:35 <nebadon_laptop> actually ya I didnt think about that
2014-03-03 21:35 <nebadon_laptop> it just reports the HTTP doesnt it
2014-03-03 21:35 <nebadon_laptop> ya maybe you cant do this
2014-03-03 21:35 <nebadon_laptop> I didnt think it all the way through
2014-03-03 21:35 <nebadon_laptop> i was just thinking inbound only
2014-03-03 21:35 <nebadon_laptop> not what it sends out
2014-03-03 21:35 <Thonneve> I guess I could attack the source
2014-03-03 22:01 <Thonneve> nebadon_: where would I find the reported url in the opensim code?
2014-03-03 22:23 <osmantis> Bug #7044:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams, llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast, llGetLinkPrimitiveParams do not work CORRECTLY on avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7044 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-03 23:22 <Thonneve> I wonder if I can do distrobuted computing inside opensim
2014-03-03 23:29 <osmantis> Bug #7044:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams, llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast, llGetLinkPrimitiveParams do not work CORRECTLY on avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7044 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-03 23:37 <osmantis> Bug #6778:04 Profile service spitting out an error for some HG visitors. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6778 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-03 23:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #3328 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-03 23:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3328: SUCCESS in 6 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3328/
2014-03-03 23:42 <osjenkins> jjustincc: When positioning agent with PRIM_ROTATION in llSetLinkPrimitiveParams(), set the global rotation rather than the local rotation
2014-03-03 23:58 <Aleric> justincc: your patch does change the functionality a bit: if parentPart == null, thus as the avatar is not sitting, then the rotation is not applied at all now.
2014-03-03 23:59 <justincc> which I would say makes sense since it is not linked
2014-03-03 23:59 <Aleric> Not sure if it even ever happens... Could it happen?
2014-03-03 23:59 <justincc> but yes, effectively an asymettrical check as ROT_LOCAL doesn't do the same thing
2014-03-03 23:59 <justincc> it's possible the avatar might stand just at the wrong moment.  not really a big issue I admit
2014-03-04 00:00 <Aleric> Did you see Freaky's last comment?
2014-03-04 00:00 <Aleric> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7044
2014-03-04 00:00 <justincc> yes, thinking about it
2014-03-04 00:03 <Aleric> It's really very annoying that llSetLinkPrimitiveParams has no effect unless you move MORE than 0.05m. It basically makes my script unuseable (not exaggerating). What I do is move a little 'arrow' prim, which broadcasts its position and rotation to the root prim, which then updates the avatar. In practise you always end up adjust little distances for fine tuning that are an order less than 0.05.
2014-03-04 00:03 <Aleric> end up adjusting*
2014-03-04 00:03 <justincc> yes, this has to be addressed.  Just firing terse updates directly allows a script to generate more outbound udp traffic than is normally the case
2014-03-04 00:03 <justincc> this is being governed by the update tolerance in SP.Update()
2014-03-04 00:04 <Aleric> I trust you'll know best - just hoping you will address it :)
2014-03-04 00:04 <justincc> oh yes I want to - just trying to think through the potential problems
2014-03-04 00:07 <Aleric> The Z-offset difference between opensim and SL is most elusive... My best guess is that opensim does a few dirty tricks that make it behave different for sit target. I'll have to investigate with a different test object to find out (right now I only compare the relative difference between sit target with PRIM_POSITION, for both grids). Will have to compare the where an avatar ends up when using the same values with PRIM_POSITION, so we know if 
2014-03-04 00:07 <Aleric> it's the set target or the llSetLinkParams, or both.
2014-03-04 00:08 <justincc> you might want to compare behaviour in the justincc-master branch, though that would require some back porting
2014-03-04 00:08 <justincc> this area has changed recently
2014-03-04 00:09 <Ken_S> Im really worried about that bug with the Land Settings. A griefer could really do damage with that.
2014-03-04 00:09 <justincc> Ken_S: anybody mentioned it to radams yet, do you know?
2014-03-04 00:09 <Ken_S> Ive been out on a business trip for over a week
2014-03-04 00:10 <Ken_S> But havent seen him on here since I left
2014-03-04 00:10 <ftcodes1> I did a few tests on different heighted avatars and it seems to change depending on avatar ehgiht
2014-03-04 00:10 <dahlia> radams hasnt been around much the last few days
2014-03-04 00:10 <justincc> ok, I'll try and take a look at it when I next can
2014-03-04 00:11 <Aleric> ftcodes1: yeah, but it's too vague to compare this. Better would be to just insert fixed numbers and then see where the avatar ends up relative to the root prim. Not to use sit target at all thus.
2014-03-04 00:11 <ftcodes1> I cammed in on that avatar pretty close
2014-03-04 00:11 <ftcodes1> it is like filling up the screen with a shoe
2014-03-04 00:11 <ftcodes1> to see the second digit behind the comma
2014-03-04 00:11 <Aleric> My object take how sit target is handled into account too, and that makes it too complex to be useful I think.
2014-03-04 00:12 <Aleric> I can see the third digit :p
2014-03-04 00:12 <ftcodes1> yours is pretty specific
2014-03-04 00:12 <ftcodes1> Aleric I managed to see the fourth digit with camming in 0.0001
2014-03-04 00:13 <Aleric> You have to use half transparent surfaces and then move the avatar such that one pixel of his head or feet peek through that surface. That is extremely accurate.
2014-03-04 00:13 <ftcodes1> More important is to nail the cam right to see the important bits
2014-03-04 00:14 <Aleric> Well, the trick with peeking through a surface means the angle of the cam is not important anymore :)
2014-03-04 00:14 <ftcodes1> neither if you will up the screen with a foot
2014-03-04 00:15 <Aleric> It's at least 10 times as accurate as looking perpendicular to the direction and try to make the avie touch a surface that way
2014-03-04 00:15 <Aleric> *religious war of two hours here*
2014-03-04 00:15 <ftcodes1> I would only assume about same accuracy
2014-03-04 00:15 <ftcodes1> but that is hard to measure accurately (depends on the used hardware ;) )
2014-03-04 00:16 <Aleric> You can measure that with statistics, just repeat your measurement and make a normal distribution :p
2014-03-04 00:16 <ftcodes1> I know good ol Gauss ;)
2014-03-04 00:17 <ftcodes1> works with a crowd and a bunch of sweets in a jar too
2014-03-04 00:17 <ftcodes1> and let them estimate
2014-03-04 00:17 <ftcodes1> actually fourth digit is limit on most viewers
2014-03-04 00:17 <ftcodes1> to control via GUI
2014-03-04 00:18 <Aleric> In the past I reverse engineered the influence of shape sliders on the avatar limb lengths this way (using the straight animation)... days and days of measurements - many pages of tables ... from that creating formulas for slider --> lengths, and then inversed that and wrote a C++ program, so generate shape slider values given certain demands (in my case, relalistic proportions and a fixed height)
2014-03-04 00:18 <ftcodes1> the average is always pretty accurate
2014-03-04 00:19 <Aleric> I love that kind of stuf heheh *aspie*
2014-03-04 00:19 <ftcodes1> I did close up comparisions on PRIM_POSITION and they seemed to be pretty close with SL
2014-03-04 00:21 <Aleric> That seems intuitive ... I expected it to be the sit target...
2014-03-04 00:21 <ftcodes1> me too
2014-03-04 00:21 <ftcodes1> that handling code has some pretty undocumented piece of algorithm
2014-03-04 00:21 <Aleric> It sucks though, cause that means that if we fix the sit target - all pose balls everywhere need to be readjusted.
2014-03-04 00:21 <ftcodes1> I know
2014-03-04 00:22 <ftcodes1> that is why that needs very detailed work before ever trying to change something like that
2014-03-04 00:22 <ftcodes1> or find out whether it is acceptable to have that difference
2014-03-04 00:22 <ftcodes1> one of the options only
2014-03-04 00:23 <ftcodes1> or a creation date compatibility thing as I already saw from others
2014-03-04 00:23 <ftcodes1> that thing needs definitely compatibility planning first
2014-03-04 00:23 <Aleric> It seems acceptable, because in almost all cases it's a matter of per-grid (even per rez + reset) configuration. Only very special scripts like mine need to be changed, but that can be done... as long as this offset remains the same in the future :p
2014-03-04 00:24 <ftcodes1> that is what I meant. Just about what to go on with.
2014-03-04 00:25 <ftcodes1> also means to decompose that difference to integrate things like that in a OpenSim TMCP version
2014-03-04 00:25 <Aleric> If the offset is a function of grid configuration (like bulletsim has those fudge factors to tweak hovering as function of avatar lengths - ugh - can I mention I'm a physicist? This is NOT needed)... 
2014-03-04 00:25 <ftcodes1> but that understanding is required either way
2014-03-04 00:25 <Aleric> If the offset is a function of avatar height (and worse, different per grid) then it kinda sucks though.
2014-03-04 00:26 <ftcodes1> seems to be stable I think since that is not within the physics module
2014-03-04 00:28 <Aleric> lkalif will be happy to see me remark here that there is serious contemplation to rewrite EVERYTHING (all of opensim) by our grid :P, based mostly on how bad physics works (but also scripting and sim borders / TP-ing, networking that freeze complete sims just cause a connection can't be made and stuff)
2014-03-04 00:29 <Aleric> We'd do the rewrite in C++ though :p
2014-03-04 00:29 <Aleric> That's another reason for me, heheh.
2014-03-04 00:29 <ftcodes1> justin it would be good when you start talking to people about those little test things that do pretty detailed setups
2014-03-04 00:29 <justincc|2> talking to people?
2014-03-04 00:29 <ftcodes1> and actually collecting them for testing
2014-03-04 00:30 <Aleric> no time!
2014-03-04 00:30 <ftcodes1> you guys should
2014-03-04 00:30 <Aleric> justin must code, not talk.
2014-03-04 00:30 <justincc> yes, I wish I had the time
2014-03-04 00:30 <ftcodes1> and if it is only few hours per week
2014-03-04 00:30 <ftcodes1> get around where the people are like content creators
2014-03-04 00:30 <ftcodes1> gives a pretty different insight
2014-03-04 00:30 <justincc> honestly,. all the time I have goes into looking at existing code bugs
2014-03-04 00:30 <justincc> i really don't need more
2014-03-04 00:31 <Aleric> How many coders work on opensim that are as active as you?
2014-03-04 00:31 <ftcodes1> but if you just look into bugs you do not necessarily have all the information to understand what is important and what not
2014-03-04 00:31 <lkalif> Aleric: keep dreaming on :P
2014-03-04 00:31 <justincc> 0
2014-03-04 00:31 <justincc> well, 1
2014-03-04 00:32 <justincc> though that's unfair - radams has been doing a lot with physics, varrregion and other stuff
2014-03-04 00:32 <justincc> and other people become very active for periods
2014-03-04 00:32 <Aleric> You could have me :) ... I always dedicate myself to a project for 40+ hours per week (often 80).
2014-03-04 00:32 <Aleric> I just don't know C# :/
2014-03-04 00:32 <diva> lkalif are you around? I'm noticing something slightly weird with the beacons -- they don't always go in the direction that's being pointed at. Is that a known behavior?
2014-03-04 00:33 <ftcodes1> But you do pretty good special stuff Aleric
2014-03-04 00:33 <ftcodes1> And I think they are even more short of good testing quality
2014-03-04 00:33 <lkalif> diva: in Singularity?
2014-03-04 00:33 <justincc> well, it usually works in that people put in good patches, are responsive to feedback, can deal with various idiosynchracies, then get invited to core
2014-03-04 00:33 <diva> well, it looks like it's in all of them. I'm seeing in phoenix too
2014-03-04 00:33 <diva> sometimes the beacons go in a completely wrong direction
2014-03-04 00:34 <diva> lke, not even close
2014-03-04 00:34 <lkalif> I'm not sure I understand... in any case I know nothing about beacons
2014-03-04 00:35 <lkalif> unless you mean the little red arrow that appears on screen?
2014-03-04 00:35 <diva> hmm, ok. I wonder if no one cares. It would be nice if they pointed into the right spot that ppl are clicking on
2014-03-04 00:35 <diva> no, I mean the beacons. Let me try to take a picture
2014-03-04 00:35 <lkalif> ah like sound sources?
2014-03-04 00:36 <diva> no, like when I click on an object
2014-03-04 00:37 <justincc> alright, I'm going to look to fix this adjustment threshold issue in another way, by ignoring tolerances on SP.Update() when the avatar is in a linkset
2014-03-04 00:37 <ftcodes1> just another way of doing it
2014-03-04 00:37 <justincc> I am not comfortable with calling Terse update separately since then two separate threads are in that code and it may not handle it very well
2014-03-04 00:37 <diva> 1 sec, pic coming up
2014-03-04 00:37 <ftcodes1> it is like with the ways to rome ;) many go there
2014-03-04 00:37 <justincc> I know teleport already does terse calls, which may or may not be a weakness
2014-03-04 00:38 <diva> lkalif: http://imagebin.org/296912
2014-03-04 00:38 <diva> I was clicking on the panel top-middle
2014-03-04 00:39 <Aleric> justincc: I'm not solicitating for a position :p .. just making the remark that (apparently) you'd double the man power on core if I was working on it, cause I do that full time. It's not that simple though, cause I am a C++ veteran - not C#. That is a LOT more than just the language syntax that no doubt I could learn in a month (or two)... Most, it's knowing how to debug in C++, while I have no clue who to even run a debugger in C# :p. I'd 
2014-03-04 00:39 <Aleric> need at least 5 years to get the same expertise in debugging in C#, if at all possible, I think.
2014-03-04 00:39 <justincc> ever do ayn java?
2014-03-04 00:39 <justincc> I don't think C# is a million miles away from C++ tbh
2014-03-04 00:39 <justincc> both oop
2014-03-04 00:39 <ftcodes1> C# and C++ are pretty similar
2014-03-04 00:39 <lkalif> ah, that's viwer effect, it only gets sent UUID of the object being pointed at and it shows the effect between hand and center of the object
2014-03-04 00:39 <Aleric> yes, I had a course of one week in java when it just became a hype :p. I disliked it.
2014-03-04 00:39 <dahlia> c# is way easier than c++
2014-03-04 00:39 <justincc> yes
2014-03-04 00:40 <dahlia> especially with visual studio
2014-03-04 00:40 <ftcodes1> but it is as easy to program memory leaks in C#
2014-03-04 00:40 <ftcodes1> as with C++
2014-03-04 00:40 <dahlia> lol no c++ wins there 
2014-03-04 00:40 <diva> lkalif that was phoenix, but it's exactly the same in Singularity
2014-03-04 00:40 <ftcodes1> only harder to have invalid pointers
2014-03-04 00:41 <lkalif> ftcodes1: nonsense
2014-03-04 00:41 <ftcodes1> dahlia I could easily program a little thing that kills memory for good
2014-03-04 00:41 <dahlia> you dont really get pointers in C#
2014-03-04 00:41 <lkalif> it's much harder to leak memory in c#
2014-03-04 00:41 <Aleric> dahlia: I'm the author of libcwd ("The C++ debugging support library).. I can debug the most complex, threaded programs... there is no way in hell I can do that in another environment than the one I'm used to: g++, gdb on linux.
2014-03-04 00:41 <ftcodes1> did you not get the irony? I know that C# itself has no pointers as long as you are not using the native code interface
2014-03-04 00:41 <lkalif> Aleric: yeah right. try figuring out why Singularity uses so much ram
2014-03-04 00:41 <diva> Aleric, debugging opensim is a whole other world in itself. You don't really run a debugger as such. It's useless.
2014-03-04 00:42 <Aleric> lkalif: It isn't doing that for me :/
2014-03-04 00:42 <diva> debuggers are not prepared to handle real-time systems
2014-03-04 00:42 <dahlia> Aleric: visual studio is way moar awesomeer in c# than it is for c++
2014-03-04 00:42 <dahlia> no comparison
2014-03-04 00:42 <ftcodes1> neigher is C# necessarily a real-time system
2014-03-04 00:42 <dahlia> you dont need stuffs like gdb
2014-03-04 00:42 <diva> opensim is a real-time system
2014-03-04 00:43 <ftcodes1> diva if you would work in my area, it would be considered very soft real-time system
2014-03-04 00:43 <ftcodes1> not even named that way
2014-03-04 00:43 <ftcodes1> by most people
2014-03-04 00:43 <Aleric> lkalif: I had a noticable swapping problem on my old PC, that started to use for SL because I was laying in bed sick ... but that was 168 patches behind... I upgraded and recompiled and THEN ran it with libmemleak (that I'm also the author of thus) but could not find a leak (anymore) :/
2014-03-04 00:43 <ftcodes1> we talk about 10ns accuracy at work
2014-03-04 00:43 <Aleric> The only leak I fixed is in animations though, and that wasn't THAT large a leak.. so, I don't know.
2014-03-04 00:44 <diva> it doesn't have time delivery guarantess, but it's real-time -- within a time window
2014-03-04 00:44 <ftcodes1> diva that is what I meant with very soft real-time
2014-03-04 00:44 <lkalif> Aleric: it's not a leak. It's figuring out why we use so much ram
2014-03-04 00:44 <dahlia> well I can make mono leak but .NET is much harder to make leak
2014-03-04 00:44 <Aleric> lkalif: ok, point taken.
2014-03-04 00:44 <diva> anyway, lkalif, anyone I can talk about those misdirected beacons?
2014-03-04 00:45 <lkalif> diva: it's unfixable. the only thing viewer knows is the uuid of the object being pointed at
2014-03-04 00:46 <Aleric> I haven't looked at that yet :/ ... So many other things to do. I suppose the best approach is to change libmemleak to just sort on total allocated memory instead of increment per time unit in the last N seconds.
2014-03-04 00:46 <diva> lkalif, I think that's not even doing that. If I point at the lower-left panel, the beacon goes all the way to the left of the object
2014-03-04 00:47 <ftcodes1> lkalif what thing not related to the grab message of the viewers?
2014-03-04 00:47 <diva> and the beacon moves when I move the mouse. It just moves weirdly
2014-03-04 00:47 <diva> odd
2014-03-04 00:47 <ftcodes1> what should was that
2014-03-04 00:47 <diva> it would be nice if it worked correctly
2014-03-04 00:48 <lkalif> ftcodes1: I failed to parse your statement
2014-03-04 00:48 <smxy> diva: OT: My more-newly created avatars have all the special folders in their suitcase, whereas my older avatars do not. The older ones cannot make landmarks when on a foreign grid and get things, due to this. How do I update these avatars to have the proper inventory structure? Mucking with the DB is OK, I just need to know what to do. Suggestions?
2014-03-04 00:48 <lkalif> ftcodes1: I think you mean grid proxy?
2014-03-04 00:49 <ftcodes1> No I meant: was that thing about UUID not related to the Grab message of the viewers?
2014-03-04 00:49 <diva> lkalif: http://imagebin.org/296913 I was clicking on the lower left panel
2014-03-04 00:49 <diva> that panel thing is not linked to the wall of the building
2014-03-04 00:49 <lkalif> ftcodes1: no, it's viewer effect
2014-03-04 00:49 <ftcodes1> I know that the viewer displays it since I know that other viewers also show that effect based on network communications
2014-03-04 00:50 <lkalif> yes, the message is called viewer effect
2014-03-04 00:50 <diva> smxy, I think that is you create those folders with those names inside the Suitcase folder, it should work -- do it in the viewer itself
2014-03-04 00:52 <smxy> But will they get marked as special folders?
2014-03-04 00:53 <ftcodes1> have a nice night, need to get some sleep
2014-03-04 00:53 <smxy> Maybe system folders is the right term.
2014-03-04 00:55 <justincc> night ftcodes1
2014-03-04 00:56 <diva> smxy I don't think they are created special, those under the Suitcase. let me check
2014-03-04 00:58 <diva> hmm, they are
2014-03-04 00:59 <diva> let me see how I search for them
2014-03-04 00:59 <smxy> Oh, okay. In firestorm, they at least look special, as they have the star on them like the regular system folders.
2014-03-04 01:04 <diva> I can't find it in 5 min, smxy. Try it
2014-03-04 01:04 <diva> it may work
2014-03-04 01:05 <diva> even if the folders aren't special
2014-03-04 01:05 <smxy> Okay. I'll give it a try. If it doesn't work, I'll get back to you later. Thanks.
2014-03-04 01:06 <diva> k
2014-03-04 01:08 <zadarkAlt> diva, what happens to the beacon trail when the avatar is standing?
2014-03-04 01:08 <diva> let me check that
2014-03-04 01:09 <diva> interesting. In some cases it works perfectly, but in others it goes in the opposite direction
2014-03-04 01:09 <diva> like, if Im standing in front of that panel
2014-03-04 01:10 <zadarkAlt> Seems to work fine for me when stood in front of a panel
2014-03-04 01:10 <diva> so, my panel is a linked object, and the root is the top left panel
2014-03-04 01:10 <zadarkAlt> wonder if the direction is based on lookat or something?
2014-03-04 01:10 <diva> if I click on that one , it works perfect
2014-03-04 01:10 <diva> if I click on the pthers is doesn't work perfectly
2014-03-04 01:11 <diva> and it tends to go in the opposite direction of where I move the mouse
2014-03-04 01:12 <diva> for example, if I click on the top-middle panel, and I move the mouse from left to right horizontally, the beacon moves down-up[
2014-03-04 01:12 <diva> and If I move the mouse up-doen, vertically, the beacon moves left-right
2014-03-04 01:13 <diva> but on the root prim the tracking is perfect if I'm standing. When I sit, it goes bad
2014-03-04 01:14 <zadarkAlt> Are the display panels mounted on some sort of transparent backing panel? 
2014-03-04 01:14 <diva> no
2014-03-04 01:14 <justincc> diva: I haven't been following, but which version of opensim are you using?
2014-03-04 01:14 <diva> 0.7.6
2014-03-04 01:14 <diva> I think this is a viewer issue, no?
2014-03-04 01:14 <justincc> ok, that is a versio nwhere we were sitting directly on the child prims, which the viewer is not expecting
2014-03-04 01:14 <diva> I don't think the server has any authority over this data
2014-03-04 01:15 <justincc> ok, as I say I haven't been following
2014-03-04 01:15 <diva> oh?
2014-03-04 01:15 <justincc> but there are definitely issues with 0.7.6 where we tell it to sit on child prims
2014-03-04 01:15 <diva> is that a problem?
2014-03-04 01:15 <justincc> it appears to work but subtle things go qwrong, such as massively jerky camera mvmt if the chld prim is moved
2014-03-04 01:16 <justincc> youj might want to check with a dev version of opensim
2014-03-04 01:16 <diva> will do laterz. anyway, gotta run. I like the beacons a lot :)
2014-03-04 01:16 <justincc> but i could be way off since I've been trying to work out why my test unepxected fails rather than track the convo
2014-03-04 01:18 <justincc> yeah, I only mention it because I saw sit in the convo
2014-03-04 01:21 <osmantis> Bug #6881:04 Print Notecard on Prim with Dynamic Texture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6881 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2014-03-04 01:27 <osmantis> Bug #6880:04 Print Notecard on Prim (MOAP) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6880 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2014-03-04 01:30 <djphil> Dev's : I try to reopen the mantis 6880 because isn't fixed ... but i can't choice "reopen" then i use "patch feedback" That ok ?for you ?
2014-03-04 01:31 <djphil> hooo i see in to step i can maybee ... hmmm i try :p
2014-03-04 01:31 <osmantis> Bug #6880:04 Print Notecard on Prim (MOAP) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6880 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2014-03-04 01:34 <djphil> means ... now the status is "patch feedback" and resolved is "reopened"
2014-03-04 01:34 <djphil> there is already an improvement :p
2014-03-04 01:49 <osmantis> Bug #6911:04 [SCRIPT] Problem with special chars on text over prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6911 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-03-04 01:53 <osmantis> Bug #5631:04 [ASSETBASE] Creating asset and [LLCLIENTVIEW] Caught exception 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5631 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2014-03-04 01:55 <osmantis> Bug #5282:04 [Concierge] broker update to ... failed with status ProtocolError 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5282 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2014-03-04 01:55 <osmantis> Bug #5282:04 [Concierge] broker update to ... failed with status ProtocolError 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5282 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2014-03-04 01:56 <osmantis> Bug #6342:04 Turn a prim to flexy don't work llSetPrimParams 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6342 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2014-03-04 01:58 <osmantis> Bug #6364:04 osSetSunParam Apparently does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6364 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2014-03-04 01:59 <osmantis> Bug #6364:04 osSetSunParam Apparently does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6364 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2014-03-04 02:00 <Thonneve> Wait we can write C# like public void llSomethingHere(stuffhere)?!
2014-03-04 02:00 <osmantis> Bug #6353:04 Particles don't work without PSYS_SRC_BURST_PART_COUNT param 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6353 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2014-03-04 02:05 <osmantis> Bug #6498:04 Problem with osNpcCreate options and with llSensor to detect Npc/Agent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6498 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2014-03-04 02:05 <osmantis> Bug #6498:04 Problem with osNpcCreate options and with llSensor to detect Npc/Agent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6498 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2014-03-04 02:06 <osmantis> Bug #6505:04 osDrawFilledPolygon no work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6505 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2014-03-04 02:07 <osmantis> Bug #6539:04 OsDrawFilledPolygon don't work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6539 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2014-03-04 02:08 <osmantis> Bug #6585:04 llSetSoundQueueing is not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6585 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2014-03-04 02:08 <osmantis> Bug #6599:04 [BulletSim] Double Memory usage 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6599 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2014-03-04 02:09 <osmantis> Bug #6712:04 [BULLETS SCENE] ProcessPostTaintTaints TerrainManager.SetTerrain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6712 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2014-03-04 02:11 <osmantis> Bug #5616:04 [BASE HTTP SERVER] handleRequest () threw 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5616 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2014-03-04 02:14 <osmantis> Bug #6343:04 Turn a prim to flexy to OFF don't work llSetPrimParams 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6343 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2014-03-04 02:17 <osmantis> Bug #6550:04 Possible problem with llHTTPRequest 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6550 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2014-03-04 02:21 <osmantis> Bug #6497:04 llRequestPermissions for PERMISSION_TELEPORT return a error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6497 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-03-04 02:21 <djphil> done for now :p
2014-03-04 04:33 <Thonneve> nebadon_: If osgrid is down does login.osgrid.org fail to resolve or is a placeholder setup?
2014-03-04 04:44 <dahlia> Thonneve: osgrid works for me
2014-03-04 04:45 <Thonneve> No I mean if it does go down
2014-03-04 04:45 <Thonneve> I'm trying to make a status checker
2014-03-04 04:45 <Thonneve> For various grids on android
2014-03-04 04:45 <dahlia> probably depends on why it goes down
2014-03-04 07:35 <Thonneve> Does the IRC module still work?
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2014-03-04 15:35 <Ken_S> Anyone know the most straightforward way to change a sim to a different estate that already exists?
2014-03-04 15:49 <melanie_> change it's record in the database estate.estate_map
2014-03-04 15:50 <melanie_> you only need to update a single database record. it doesn't come any more straightforward than that
2014-03-04 16:18 <Ken_S> melanie_ , I have already done this, but not simpley for someone who isnt familiar with databases or the tables.
2014-03-04 16:19 <Ken_S> I just wanted to make sure there wasnt something already in place as a console command.
2014-03-04 16:26 <osmantis> Bug #7046:04 Need console commands to create a new estate and change the estate assigned to an existing region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7046 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-04 16:32 <Plugh> What are the differences between flotsam group and core groups in terms of functionality?
2014-03-04 19:35 <osmantis> Bug #6755:04 Failing teleports and avatar returned to original source region without attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6755 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-04 20:02 <danbanner> load test in osgrid event plaza region if anyone has time to help
2014-03-04 20:02 <RiRa> ping nebadon.
2014-03-04 20:02 <RiRa> that TP to event plaza crashed my kokua version
2014-03-04 20:02 <nebadon_> oh its a varregion
2014-03-04 20:02 <nebadon_> make sure you have latest version of Kokua
2014-03-04 20:04 <RiRa> worse, i cant logoin to. viewer crahs., but runnin g 2 viewer. need to try in  40 min
2014-03-04 20:04 <RiRa> i dont have the latest version right now :O
2014-03-04 20:04 <RiRa> need to update later
2014-03-04 20:04 <nebadon_> k
2014-03-04 20:05 <nebadon_> definitely need the latest version for that to work
2014-03-04 20:07 <nebadon_> did it crash danbanner?
2014-03-04 20:07 <nebadon_> i cant move
2014-03-04 20:07 <danbanner> hmm
2014-03-04 20:08 <danbanner> seems okay to me
2014-03-04 20:10 <jakdaniels> i can't tp to that region
2014-03-04 20:11 <jakdaniels> from my varregion
2014-03-04 20:11 <Wanderer_42> a little bit laggy at event plaza.
2014-03-04 20:17 <RiRa> installed a new kokua. but still crashing now at login Kokua 3.7.1.30956 seems i cant login on that region. need to try my home
2014-03-04 20:24 <RiRa> ping nebadon.
2014-03-04 20:25 <RiRa> still crashing when teleporting to event plaza
2014-03-04 20:25 <nebadon_> hmm odd
2014-03-04 20:25 <nebadon_> can you try the latest singularity?
2014-03-04 20:25 <nebadon_> might need to let NickyP know
2014-03-04 20:25 <nebadon_> if its something with kokua only
2014-03-04 20:28 <RiRa> let me see. Singularity Viewer (64 bit) 1.8.5
2014-03-04 20:28 <danbanner> ya seems the latest kokua did crash on me too
2014-03-04 20:29 <nebadon_> ok NickyP : ping
2014-03-04 20:29 <nebadon_> oh see #kokua :)
2014-03-04 20:31 <Ken_S> I found a few duplicate entries in the estate_map table, same estate and same sim UUIDs in both. Is this normal?
2014-03-04 20:53 <Nickyp> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7833186/OKCSandbox.JPG https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7833186/LBSAFromOKC-TP.JPG I do crash at event plaza but am ok on these. nebadon_ ^ danbanner ^ 
2014-03-04 20:54 <danbanner> odd
2014-03-04 20:55 <nebadon_> ya that is really wierd
2014-03-04 20:55 <danbanner> event plaza and sandbox plaza are just 768m vars
2014-03-04 20:55 <danbanner> with landing zone set
2014-03-04 20:55 <danbanner> hmm
2014-03-04 20:56 <danbanner> might be that its not letting you land at 128,128
2014-03-04 20:56 <danbanner> i set them to force you to center
2014-03-04 20:56 <Nickyp> the map shows some out of service areas on event plaza
2014-03-04 20:57 <Nickyp> but that may be a hanger on bug in the map
2014-03-04 20:59 <danbanner> i have LZ set to 384,384
2014-03-04 20:59 <danbanner> maybe kokua doesnt like that
2014-03-04 21:00 <Nickyp> i think that was in the off line marked area
2014-03-04 21:00 <nebadon_> oh
2014-03-04 21:00 <Nickyp> on the map
2014-03-04 21:00 <nebadon_> i bet that is the problem danbanner
2014-03-04 21:00 <danbanner> fs and sing handle it 
2014-03-04 21:00 <nebadon_> that would be the one glaring difference
2014-03-04 21:01 <danbanner> not sure what the difference is
2014-03-04 21:01 <danbanner> but thats all i can think of thats different
2014-03-04 21:03 <Nickyp> Ok Ill open a bug for kokua.. My local var region si 1024x1024 and my tp is to its center 512x512 and no issues
2014-03-04 21:04 <Nickyp> is OKC sandbox a power of 2 x and y?
2014-03-04 21:05 <danbanner> oh 
2014-03-04 21:06 <danbanner> 384 not being power of 2?
2014-03-04 21:07 <danbanner> let me set LZ to 512,512 and see what happens
2014-03-04 21:09 <nebadon_> OKC Sandbox is a 1024x1024
2014-03-04 21:09 <nebadon_> it was a 4x4 mega previously
2014-03-04 21:11 <danbanner> setting lz to 512,512 didnt work
2014-03-04 21:13 <Nickyp> on the 768 not being a power of 2
2014-03-04 21:15 <Nickyp> anyway Ill need to come in on linux and get some gdb visibility on the problem
2014-03-04 21:25 <Nickyp> http://redmine.kokuaviewer.org/issues/1348
2014-03-04 22:04 <Plugh> Nickyp: I haven't crashed logging in to WP with Kokua viewer.
2014-03-04 22:05 <Nickyp> I think events plaza is a new vari region separate for wright 
2014-03-04 22:07 <nebadon_> OKC Sandbox was crashed
2014-03-04 22:07 <Nickyp> I can log to OKCSandbox and my local variregion both 1024x1024
2014-03-04 22:07 <nebadon_> whole server froze few hours ago I just noticed, its coming back up
2014-03-04 22:08 <nebadon_> hopefully its not mono 3.2.8 that is the problem
2014-03-04 22:09 <nebadon_> i upgraded last night to newest mono and today it froze up, though could possibly be because i did a system update and never rebooted
2014-03-04 22:09 <nebadon_> i think there might have been a kernel upgrade
2014-03-04 22:09 <nebadon_> really needed to be rebooted anyway
2014-03-04 22:09 <nebadon_> i beat the hell out of this server
2014-03-04 22:10 <Nickyp> are events plaza and OKC on same OS hash?
2014-03-04 22:10 <nebadon_> hmm let me check OKC
2014-03-04 22:10 <nebadon_> OKC should be very near master if not master
2014-03-04 22:11 <nebadon_> 31de7b8: 2014-03-03
2014-03-04 22:11 <nebadon_> yes same exact version NickyP
2014-03-04 22:12 <Nickyp> then I guess it is a size issue that kokua is balking about
2014-03-04 22:13 <Nickyp> ill but a 768x768 on local and check
2014-03-04 22:13 <nebadon_> k thanks NickyP
2014-03-04 23:21 <smxy> nebadon: Is your mono building page up to date with instructions for 3.2.8?
2014-03-04 23:23 <smxy> Maybe I'm at the wrong page, as I see instructions for 3.2.3.
2014-03-04 23:23 <Thonneve> smxy: When I last compiled mono i used nebadons instructions and it worked fine
2014-03-04 23:23 <nebadon> no its not
2014-03-04 23:23 <nebadon> i need to test it a bit more smxy before changing it
2014-03-04 23:23 <nebadon> basically though just changed everything in the instructions from 3.2.3 to 3.2.8
2014-03-04 23:23 <nebadon> and it will work
2014-03-04 23:23 <smxy> Ah, okay.
2014-03-04 23:23 <smxy> That's simple enough.
2014-03-04 23:24 <Thonneve> Oh damn
2014-03-04 23:24 <Thonneve> I'm behind
2014-03-04 23:24 <Thonneve> nebadon: Do you have a sci-fi like sim?
2014-03-04 23:24 <smxy> My grid hardware is about to get waaaay better.
2014-03-04 23:24 <Thonneve> Or a sim with some sci-fi stuff in?
2014-03-04 23:24 <Thonneve>  HexChat: 2.9.6 ** OS: Linux 3.14.0-rc4-ARCH-00142-g55de1ed x86_64 ** Distro: ArchLinux ** CPU: 2 x AMD Athlon(tm) II P320 Dual-Core Processor (AuthenticAMD) @ 1.50GHz ** RAM: Physical: 3.6GB, 32.9% free ** Disk: Total: 450.8GB, 51.1% free ** VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS880M [Mobility Radeon HD 4225/4250] ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB1: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI ** Ethernet: 
2014-03-04 23:24 <Thonneve> 645 NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe ** Uptime: 2d 2h 24m 23s **
2014-03-04 23:24 <Thonneve> That's my server
2014-03-04 23:25 <Thonneve> Just a laptop, opensim runs like a dream on it though
2014-03-04 23:27 <nebadon> hmm not really, maybe some scifi type stuff at OKC Tower or Reticulation though
2014-03-04 23:27 <smxy> I'm getting a couple of Dell PowerEdge R810s
2014-03-04 23:27 <smxy> 64GB RAM each, one has 2 6-core CPUs and the other has 4.
2014-03-04 23:27 <nebadon> nice, sounds like the server diva and I have at UCI
2014-03-04 23:28 <nebadon> SAS drives?
2014-03-04 23:28 <smxy> I'm going to switch from VMware ESXi to Citrix XenServer, for my virtualization, too.
2014-03-04 23:28 <smxy> Yes, 3x 146GB 15K 2.5" SAS drives
2014-03-04 23:28 <smxy> each
2014-03-04 23:28 <nebadon> ya very close to what I have, mine has 3 600gb
2014-03-04 23:29 <nebadon> do they have iDrac?
2014-03-04 23:29 <smxy> I don't really use the internal storage. 
2014-03-04 23:29 <smxy> Yes iDRAC6 Enterprise.
2014-03-04 23:29 <nebadon> ya pretty much identical to mine then
2014-03-04 23:29 <nebadon> awesome server
2014-03-04 23:29 <nebadon> thats what OSCC ran on
2014-03-04 23:29 <smxy> One's all I really need, but two gives me failover protection.
2014-03-04 23:30 <nebadon> hope you have a quite location for them
2014-03-04 23:30 <nebadon> lol
2014-03-04 23:30 <nebadon> suckers are loud
2014-03-04 23:30 <nebadon> quiet*
2014-03-04 23:30 <smxy> Down in the basement, where the current ones are. :)
2014-03-04 23:30 <smxy> I've long ago tuned out the noise.
2014-03-04 23:30 <nebadon> haha
2014-03-04 23:31 <nebadon> ya its like a choir of vacuum cleaners 
2014-03-04 23:33 <vegaslon> Thonneve : if you are looking for scifi you might want to try Lani
2014-03-04 23:33 <nebadon> ya good call vegaslon
2014-03-04 23:35 <smxy> I can't imagine my grid ever outgrowing these two servers. Not running out of my home over a cable connection (even if it *is* a damn good connection).
2014-03-04 23:36 <nebadon> ya probably not
2014-03-04 23:36 <smxy> These are the same as the servers we have at work, where we run way more on them than I ever will.
2014-03-04 23:36 <nebadon> were these expensive? did you get them used or refurbed?
2014-03-04 23:37 <smxy> Refurbed from scsistuff. I bought my current servers from them. They come with a 1 year warranty on parts, too.
2014-03-04 23:37 <nebadon> how much? mind sharing?
2014-03-04 23:38 <Lloydi> oh how I wish I had a plugin to integrate wordpress
2014-03-04 23:38 <smxy> Waiting on the final pricing now, but about $2800 each, before some returning customer discount the said they'd give me.
2014-03-04 23:38 <nebadon> not bad
2014-03-04 23:38 <nebadon> thats about 1/2 what they cost new
2014-03-04 23:38 <smxy> Yup and only one generation behind Dell's latest servers.
2014-03-04 23:39 <smxy> Good stuff.
2014-03-04 23:39 <Lloydi> but it needs ssd drives
2014-03-04 23:39 <Lloydi> huge dif
2014-03-04 23:39 <nebadon> the cpus alone are worth about 2/3 what you paid
2014-03-04 23:39 <nebadon> hehe
2014-03-04 23:39 <Lloydi> just my 2 cents
2014-03-04 23:39 <nebadon> not really
2014-03-04 23:40 <nebadon> Raid 15k drives are very fast
2014-03-04 23:40 <Lloydi> I've been using them for years
2014-03-04 23:40 <nebadon> if you really beat on SSDs they dont last long
2014-03-04 23:40 <Lloydi> ssd's are like night and day
2014-03-04 23:40 <Lloydi> compared
2014-03-04 23:40 <smxy> I don't use the internal drives for anything other than the hypervisor. I have a server set up as an iSCSI server.
2014-03-04 23:40 <Lloydi> to 15k 
2014-03-04 23:41 <Lloydi> 15k is scsi
2014-03-04 23:41 <nebadon> its a NAS
2014-03-04 23:41 <Lloydi> it's still limited
2014-03-04 23:41 <nebadon> its external to the server
2014-03-04 23:41 <smxy> Yes
2014-03-04 23:41 <Lloydi> it based on a scsi technology
2014-03-04 23:41 <nebadon> ya SSDs are faster, but not nearly as reliable
2014-03-04 23:41 <Lloydi> it's bandwidth is limited 
2014-03-04 23:42 <Lloydi> huge limit when comp to ssd
2014-03-04 23:42 <nebadon> some of the newer ssds are pretty good though
2014-03-04 23:42 <smxy> iSCSI SAN. It has a couple of slower, older drives in it. That's what I'll work at upgrading next.
2014-03-04 23:42 <smxy> After my wallet recovers a bit. :)
2014-03-04 23:43 <Lloydi> hey anyone working with php?
2014-03-04 23:43 <Lloydi> and something of an interface for os?
2014-03-04 23:43 <smxy> I use Wifi
2014-03-04 23:43 <nebadon> I dont really know of any well maintained php interfaces
2014-03-04 23:44 <Lloydi> how about any?
2014-03-04 23:44 <nebadon> there is egress
2014-03-04 23:44 <Lloydi> ah
2014-03-04 23:44 <nebadon> https://github.com/JamesStallings/EgressWFE
2014-03-04 23:44 <nebadon> there was another one i cant remember name
2014-03-04 23:44 <nebadon> it was joomla or xoops or something
2014-03-04 23:45 <nebadon> i never tried it not my style
2014-03-04 23:45 <Lloydi> ahh codeignighter sweetness
2014-03-04 23:45 <nebadon> egress is a good start
2014-03-04 23:45 <nebadon> has the basics down for starting a good interface
2014-03-04 23:45 <nebadon> its not much of a looker out of the box, its very basic
2014-03-04 23:45 <nebadon> I worked on it a bit
2014-03-04 23:45 <nebadon> but it hasnt been maintained for a while, it should work though
2014-03-04 23:46 <Lloydi> looks like he's stopped working it
2014-03-04 23:46 <nebadon> ya we havent worked on it in quite a while
2014-03-04 23:46 <nebadon> but its better than starting from scratch too
2014-03-04 23:46 <nebadon> should answer a lot of questions you might have about passwords and account creation and stuff
2014-03-04 23:48 <Lloydi> i see said the blind man
2014-03-04 23:48 <Lloydi> thank you!
2014-03-04 23:48 <nebadon> no problem
2014-03-04 23:50 <Lloydi> i need someone with mic to try out a varregion vivox setup
2014-03-04 23:51 <smxy> What's the HG address?
2014-03-04 23:51 <Lloydi> it's a standalone private
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2014-03-05 00:20 <Plugh> bah. Silly OS utility code throws an exception when trying to parse a boolean where it is neither the true string nor the false string.
2014-03-05 00:21 <Ken_S> A physical vehicle in Bulletsim should not collide with phantom prims should it?
2014-03-05 00:21 <smxy> If it's a boolean and not true or false, that IS an error, yes?
2014-03-05 00:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #3329 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-05 00:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3329: SUCCESS in 3 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3329/
2014-03-05 00:46 <osjenkins> jjustincc: If an avatar is sitting, send out position updates to clients for any change, not just those outside the usual tolerances.
2014-03-05 01:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #3330 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-05 01:02 <osmantis> Bug #7044:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams, llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast, llGetLinkPrimitiveParams do not work CORRECTLY on avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7044 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-03-05 01:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3330: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3330/
2014-03-05 01:04 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Don't request a terse update after local teleport - this will be done by the main frame loop anyway and has the potential to race that thread.
2014-03-05 01:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #3331 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-05 01:26 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-05 01:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3331: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3331/
2014-03-05 01:27 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add UUID and ready status (whether region has finished starting up) to "show regions" console output.
2014-03-05 01:48 <osmantis> Bug #6880:04 Print Notecard on Prim (MOAP) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6880 ): is now in status NEW (again)
2014-03-05 01:48 <osmantis> Bug #6880:04 Print Notecard on Prim (MOAP) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6880 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-05 02:42 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-05 02:44 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-05 03:32 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-05 04:35 <osmantis> Bug #6755:04 Failing teleports and avatar returned to original source region without attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6755 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-05 05:00 <velus> hello im having probs with the groups module
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2014-03-05 12:34 <osmantis> Bug #7044:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams, llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast, llGetLinkPrimitiveParams do not work CORRECTLY on avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7044 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-05 15:30 <velus> Lexa: you about?
2014-03-05 16:03 <|-fInE-|> hmm got a problem with meshes .. i can't strech them to more the 256x256 .. anyone tried it with success ?
2014-03-05 16:10 <|-fInE-|> and the total prims are not displayed correctly .. the land tool says 16 prims are in use.. but the script gives me 772 and the stats says the same .. its a var region 1024x1024 
2014-03-05 16:10 <Plugh> Regular prims are limited to 256m on a side. I would have no reason to think mesh objects would be any different.
2014-03-05 16:11 <velus> Plugh: do you know about this avatar choser for registartions?
2014-03-05 16:12 <|-fInE-|> Plugh if i try to stretch the build to 512x512 it flushes bag to 256x256 .. hm is it wrong on the build ?
2014-03-05 16:14 <Plugh> velus: Not if you are talking about something built in to the OS code. I created my own avatar selection/cloning procedure.
2014-03-05 16:14 <nebadon> you need to increase the prim size limit in OpenSim.ini
2014-03-05 16:14 <nebadon> Singularity will only allow whatever this # is set to
2014-03-05 16:14 <velus> ook Plugh did you create it in php, 
2014-03-05 16:14 <LiruCookies> Yepyep!
2014-03-05 16:15 <Plugh> velus: yes, I did.
2014-03-05 16:15 <|-fInE-|> hmm no the build has no max width ..
2014-03-05 16:15 <velus> can i peak at the code pleas Plugh 
2014-03-05 16:15 <velus> to help me 
2014-03-05 16:15 <velus> and how do you have it send to the server or does it go direct to the db its self
2014-03-05 16:16 <Plugh> velus: I created a web page that was partially generated by PHP which showed you the options. After that, it would create your avatar and populate the initial avatar data from the template.
2014-03-05 16:16 <nebadon> |-fInE-| > NonPhysicalPrimMax = 256
2014-03-05 16:16 <nebadon> increase this #
2014-03-05 16:16 <|-fInE-|> velus thats wat i said couple of days bevor if i remember right
2014-03-05 16:16 <|-fInE-|> ah thx nebadon 
2014-03-05 16:16 <nebadon> np
2014-03-05 16:17 <velus> brb
2014-03-05 16:17 <Plugh> nebadon: I've been made aware of a problem with ossearch and core groups. ossearch gets no results when doing a search of groups when a grid is using the core groups module.
2014-03-05 16:18 <nebadon> ok guess that is not totally surprising
2014-03-05 16:18 <Plugh> The table names are different but from what I can see it is a problem in the .cs code. The ossearch code links to the groups code so it isn't a matter of updating table names in ossearch's .cs or .php files.
2014-03-05 16:19 <nebadon> ok cool
2014-03-05 16:19 <Plugh> I'm looking at the core GroupsModule.cs file to see if perhaps something isn't implemented in core groups.
2014-03-05 16:19 <|-fInE-|> nebadon i learned .. the default settings are not always the best :D
2014-03-05 16:20 <nebadon> indeed |-fInE-| the default settings are simply made safe so it works well for everyone
2014-03-05 16:20 <Plugh> |-fInE-|: You may also run in to a problem with the prim size limit in the viewer.
2014-03-05 16:20 <nebadon> if you are using Singularity it will check whatever that setting is
2014-03-05 16:20 <nebadon> and use that as the limit
2014-03-05 16:21 <Plugh> Not sure which viewers may have limits on their side these days but some might.
2014-03-05 16:21 <nebadon> I cant speak for other viewers
2014-03-05 16:21 <|-fInE-|> hmm i hope not on the newest version of singularity 64 :)
2014-03-05 16:21 <nebadon> Singularity you are safe
2014-03-05 16:21 <Plugh> No prim size limit in Sing?
2014-03-05 16:21 <nebadon> there is
2014-03-05 16:21 <nebadon> its whatever you have NonPhysicalPrimMax = 256 set for
2014-03-05 16:21 <Plugh> Is that parameter sent to the viewer during the login(?) process?
2014-03-05 16:22 <nebadon> hmm maybe, LiruCookies can you comment?
2014-03-05 16:22 <LiruCookies> During login, most settings are set, yes..
2014-03-05 16:22 <nebadon> thanks
2014-03-05 16:22 <LiruCookies> More recent ones are  set during region crossing, which we prefer because of hypergrid
2014-03-05 16:22 <Plugh> most. I did look at the login response package ages ago but not sure what is in there now as that code seems to have moved from where I remember it being located.
2014-03-05 16:23 <nebadon> ok well I have to head out for a few hours
2014-03-05 16:23 <nebadon> should be back around by 3pm-4pm EST
2014-03-05 16:23 <LiruCookies> But this one is sent at login methinks
2014-03-05 16:23 <Plugh> k, ttyl nebadon
2014-03-05 16:23 <Plugh> 
ACTION does some more digging around in the GroupsModule.cs file.

2014-03-05 16:24 <Plugh> Most obvious omission is no reference to DirFind*
2014-03-05 16:24 <LiruCookies> I think kokua completely disrespects grid's wishes on building restrictions optionally
2014-03-05 16:24 <LiruCookies> As for firestorm, I can't say.
2014-03-05 16:25 <Plugh> diva: ping
2014-03-05 16:27 <Plugh> Think I found the problem. Groups search was removed from the groups module and placed in the core search module.
2014-03-05 16:27 <Plugh> :P
2014-03-05 16:32 <Plugh> bbiab.
2014-03-05 16:34 <|-fInE-|> hmm aresome isn't enough to say :D
2014-03-05 16:34 <|-fInE-|> awesome*
2014-03-05 16:36 <|-fInE-|> 1024x1024 is the right width for that build :)
2014-03-05 16:41 <velus> bck dam banks lol 
2014-03-05 16:42 <velus> plough what do you mean by I created a web page that was partially generated by PHP which showed you the options. After that, it would create your avatar and populate the initial avatar data from the template. could i see the code and see if i can make it work for my site
2014-03-05 16:43 <smxy> Plugh: My grid uses ossearch and core groups. I can search for one of my groups and have it found - twice. Once by ossearch and once by core search - the same effect I get when searching for people, too. So what's broken?
2014-03-05 16:43 <velus> smxy: where do you get the ossearch from?
2014-03-05 16:44 <velus> and can you use that in the website?
2014-03-05 16:44 <|-fInE-|> joomla is the webside for it
2014-03-05 16:45 <velus> i dont like joomla im creating my own one from scratch
2014-03-05 16:45 <danbanner> http://forge.opensimulator.org/gf/project/ossearch/
2014-03-05 16:45 <|-fInE-|> much peaple are using joomla .. it can't be bad :)
2014-03-05 16:46 <velus> how do i download from ther
2014-03-05 16:46 <|-fInE-|> click the link :D
2014-03-05 16:47 <danbanner> use svn
2014-03-05 16:47 <Plugh> 
ACTION is back

2014-03-05 16:48 <Plugh> smxy: If you get double results it means you have both ossearch and core search active. If you disable core search you don't get any search results for groups.
2014-03-05 16:49 <danbanner> velus: svn checkout http://forge.opensimulator.org/svn/ossearch
2014-03-05 16:50 <velus> danbanner: when i click on the link it asks for a password
2014-03-05 16:50 <|-fInE-|> not the newest version the older one
2014-03-05 16:50 <Plugh> smxy: Comment out the SearchModule line in Grid.ini and add SearchModule=OpenSimSearch to [Modules] in GridCommon.ini and it will stop duplicate results.
2014-03-05 16:50 <smxy> velus: I pull the source from http://forge.opensimulator.org/svn/ossearch and compile it along with opensim. I'm not sure what you're asking in your second question. 
2014-03-05 16:51 <Plugh> It will also stop group search.
2014-03-05 16:51 <|-fInE-|> hmm i always used the old release version for ossearch 
2014-03-05 16:52 <|-fInE-|> on the webpage of osprofile is commented that only the older version works with it .. but i don't know if there was an update last few months
2014-03-05 16:52 <velus> i want to get ossearch files for my grid but i cant seemn to get acess to them, and two could i use the search module to intergrate search users online?
2014-03-05 16:52 <Plugh> The information you need about retreiving ossearch using svn is at http://forge.opensimulator.org/gf/project/ossearch/scmsvn/?action=AccessInfo
2014-03-05 16:52 <velus> website
2014-03-05 16:52 <smxy> Oh, I don't use osprofile. I use core profiles.
2014-03-05 16:54 <Plugh> |-fInE-|: huh? profile only works with an older version of what?
2014-03-05 16:54 <Plugh> |-fInE-|: If you have current osprofile and current ossearch module they will work together.
2014-03-05 16:55 <|-fInE-|> of joomla sry Plugh
2014-03-05 16:55 <Plugh> oh, I don't know anything about joomla.
2014-03-05 16:55 <velus> i am using the core profiles 
2014-03-05 16:55 <velus> but i am wanting to add search to it so i can have them search in world and on the website
2014-03-05 16:56 <|-fInE-|> i think i need a update for my brain software :D ignore my comments :D
2014-03-05 16:56 <velus> and Plugh can i take a look at the reg and avatar picker code you have please
2014-03-05 16:56 <|-fInE-|> i thought about osprofile with joomla
2014-03-05 16:56 <Plugh> I don't know if ossearch will work with core profile. Chances are someone may have moved search of profiles out of core profile code to the core search code.
2014-03-05 16:56 <velus> i dont like joomla 
2014-03-05 16:57 <velus> is ther a core code search? 
2014-03-05 16:57 <smxy> btw, plugh, you should be able to override the search module in GridCommon.ini without commenting it out in either Grid.ini or GridHypergrid.ini, as neither of those is meant to be edited.
2014-03-05 16:57 <velus> if so how do you get it on and working
2014-03-05 16:58 <Plugh> smxy: SearchModule reference shouldn't be in Grid.ini IMO. I have seen cases where settings don't always get replaced properly.
2014-03-05 16:59 <smxy> Then file a mantis?
2014-03-05 16:59 <Plugh> velus: Don't use ossearch and let it default to the built-in basic search module.
2014-03-05 16:59 <velus> ok
2014-03-05 16:59 <velus> will do
2014-03-05 17:00 <smxy> As I recall, but not what, specifically, the core search doesn't cover everything ossearch does. But I might be wrong.
2014-03-05 17:00 <Plugh> It is called basic search so it makes me think something might be missing but I haven't used it to know if that is the case or not.
2014-03-05 17:00 <Plugh> smxy: yea, I think you are right.
2014-03-05 17:01 <Plugh> Sorry, velus. The avatar selection and cloning procedure is code I don't want to release in to the wild yet.
2014-03-05 17:01 <smxy> Otherwise I would have eliminated ossearch, as it's my last third-party module.
2014-03-05 17:02 <Plugh> is core profile 100% functionally equivalent to osprofile?
2014-03-05 17:02 <smxy> Dunno, but unless people start using it, it will never get the visibility to get worked on, if it isn't.
2014-03-05 17:03 <velus> ok Plugh i wouldnt realse it and i prob would alter it anyway, but ill find a way to do it on my site but for now i guess it would have to be ruthies lol but how do i create a user without atually going into the db? and also how do i set the flags of the user so i can have it go -1 when they sign up and 0 when they confirm it
2014-03-05 17:05 <velus> im gonna crash fo4r a while i need my ughly sleep
2014-03-05 17:08 <Plugh> velus: You can create an avatar by issuing a command on the console. You can use the remote admin feature to create avatars.
2014-03-05 17:10 <Plugh> smxy: osprofile works for me in the grid I maintain, and if it ain't broke...  ;)
2014-03-05 17:12 <Plugh> I would like to drop the addon modules that need webserver/PHP support but I have too many other things to do to work on making sure core search/profile/groups is up to save functionality as core versions.
2014-03-05 17:31 <smxy> Now, what I don't understand is why simply opening the map, the first time after logging in, gives me three popup messages saying "Unable to search at this time."
2014-03-05 17:35 <Plugh> You have an error in how you have configured the search modules or an error in the external website stuff (if you are using ossearch).
2014-03-05 17:36 <smxy> Neither has changed in ages. But I noticed it started when I switched from Nov. 16th's code to now's.
2014-03-05 17:36 <smxy> But I'll check both.
2014-03-05 17:41 <Plugh> lunch time. bbl.
2014-03-05 18:29 <Plugh> 
ACTION is back

2014-03-05 19:10 <Plugh> Anyone happen to remember the name of the project that was created as a fork(?) of the Aurora-Sim grid code?
2014-03-05 19:11 <LiruCookies> I just saw that the other day..
2014-03-05 19:12 <Dev_Random> is that whitecore or something similar?
2014-03-05 19:13 <Dev_Random> https://github.com/WhiteCoreSim/WhiteCore
2014-03-05 19:13 <Plugh> Not sure. Doesn't really sound familiar.
2014-03-05 19:13 <Plugh> I was hoping to find the announcement about the project via google but haven't yet.
2014-03-05 19:13 <Dev_Random> "forked from aurora-sim/Aurora-Sim"
2014-03-05 19:14 <LiruCookies> Yar, that's the one I noticed, Dev_Random 
2014-03-05 19:14 <Plugh> ok, ty. I was just talking about it with someone but couldn't remember the name.
2014-03-05 21:28 <velus> Plugh: it is whightcore
2014-03-05 21:28 <velus> there is another one 
2014-03-05 21:28 <velus> greythane:  has done one and another person
2014-03-05 21:49 <velus> any body know what format the images are stored as in the db
2014-03-05 21:50 <nebadon> jpeg2000
2014-03-05 21:50 <velus> ok how do you convert the txt in the db to an iumage in php
2014-03-05 21:50 <nebadon> imagemagick
2014-03-05 21:51 <velus> ?
2014-03-05 21:51 <nebadon> you use imagemagick 
2014-03-05 21:51 <nebadon> there is a php module for it
2014-03-05 21:52 <velus> kk
2014-03-05 22:05 <Wanderer_42> Hi. Is there a "trick" to avoid the spikes by terraforming ?  i dont want to use a external program for that.
2014-03-05 22:15 <Wanderer_42> Sorry, wrong channel
2014-03-05 22:56 <smxy> Plugh: About those search-related popups I get when opening the map ... turns out when I did a recent operating system update, I broke php. At least now I know where the problem is. :)
2014-03-05 23:08 <smxy> Well, by 'broke', I mean updated. This is the error - php 5.4 doesn't like the ossearch code:
2014-03-05 23:08 <smxy> http://pastebin.com/huKXS4RD
2014-03-06 00:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #3332 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-06 00:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3332: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3332/
2014-03-06 00:19 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Prevent adding a land object if it overlaps any existing objects that have not had their bitmaps adjusted.
2014-03-06 00:23 <velus> justincc: you know in the land.php tool in the helper sets, there is a section that says $membership_levels = array( .... where is the mebership levels held in the db?
2014-03-06 00:25 <justincc> it isn't.  landtool.php just puts in a load of dummy values to satisfy the viewer - it doesn't store stuff
2014-03-06 00:25 <justincc> at least, the scratch one I shoved in that github repo under my name
2014-03-06 00:33 <velus> ok 
2014-03-06 00:33 <velus> i know it puts in cummy values but wondered if it stroed them anywhere
2014-03-06 00:34 <velus> the other question is well how do i create a user and able to set the flags with out going into the db?
2014-03-06 00:34 <justincc> you mean via an HTTP call or on the console command line?
2014-03-06 00:35 <velus> yes
2014-03-06 00:35 <velus> in robust mode
2014-03-06 00:36 <velus> i seen the remote admin but it mentions for create user user the other commands and that dont allow you to set a flag option 
2014-03-06 00:36 <velus> i also want to be able to set uip an avatar too
2014-03-06 00:36 <justincc> There is doc for setting up a user account at http://opensimulator.org/wiki/UserAccountService#createuser
2014-03-06 00:36 <justincc> but yo uhave to be very careful that you're not exposing the robust internal service port to the outside world
2014-03-06 00:37 <velus> i have seen that way and that dont allow you to set a flags option you can add email to it but not flags 
2014-03-06 00:37 <justincc> actually setting up clothes, etc. for the avatar is much trickier.  I knwo remoteadmin purports to have stuff but I'm not sure how well it works and that only works on standalone.  Diva's wifi interface has a facility for doing it but I don't know hwo it works
2014-03-06 00:38 <justincc> velus: you would have to use the setaccount call for that, also detailed on that page
2014-03-06 00:38 <velus> i have tried that too but it dont work 
2014-03-06 00:38 <velus> the only option i can think of atm is to use the db its self 
2014-03-06 00:38 <justincc> The opensim doc on wifi is at http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Wifi but you would have to dig into the source code to see how tht works
2014-03-06 00:38 <justincc> it should work - it did last time I used it and it's quite a simple mechanism
2014-03-06 00:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #3333 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-03-06 00:45 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Increase size of parcel name field in "land show" console command output.  Construct table using CDT rather than string formats
2014-03-06 00:45 <velus> and well also use the db for the THE AVATAR TOO MAYBE
2014-03-06 00:45 <velus> sorry for the caps
2014-03-06 00:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #3334 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-06 00:50 <velus> justincc: am i right in the images in assests are saved as jpg2000 in blob format?
2014-03-06 00:50 <justincc> corret
2014-03-06 00:50 <justincc> correct
2014-03-06 00:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3334: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3334/
2014-03-06 00:51 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Remove array initialize calls in LMM - these are unnecessary as the VM already does this.
2014-03-06 00:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #3335 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-06 00:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3335: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3335/
2014-03-06 00:55 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: slightly simplify code in LandObject.ContainsPoint()
2014-03-06 00:59 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-06 00:59 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-03-06 01:00 <justincc> danbanner: ok, I just added code that should hoepfully prevent that parcel issue, though we still need to identify when it is being attempted.
2014-03-06 01:00 <justincc> more details in the mantis
2014-03-06 01:00 <danbanner> great! thanks justin, i'll give it a whirl
2014-03-06 01:13 <Plugh> someone said my name. Now who was it?
2014-03-06 01:15 <Plugh> smxy: I use ossearch with php 5.4
2014-03-06 01:19 <justincc> nebadon: could you remind me what the mysql update script was called?
2014-03-06 01:19 <justincc> ok, mysql_upgrade
2014-03-06 01:21 <nebadon> hey justincc ya that is it
2014-03-06 01:21 <justincc> ok, I'm just going to do my usual monthly backup of opensmiulator.org then try it
2014-03-06 01:22 <nebadon> ok great
2014-03-06 01:25 <Plugh> I have an idea how to fix ossearch when using core groups but I want to talk with diva first about the change she made to core groups.
2014-03-06 01:27 <nebadon> good idea Plugh
2014-03-06 01:27 <velus> Plugh: do you know how to install imagick on iss windows?
2014-03-06 01:28 <Plugh> velus: Is there a installer for it? I rarely run Windows and haven't installed IM on the windows side of my machine.
2014-03-06 01:29 <velus> ok im having major probs with the .dll for php
2014-03-06 02:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #3336 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-06 02:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3336: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3336/
2014-03-06 02:17 <osjenkins> jjustincc: refactor: Simplify land object by using c# get/set auto-properties where applicable.
2014-03-06 04:43 <osmantis> Bug #7047:04 Add "Max Prims per User" setting for Regions / Parcels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7047 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-06 05:05 <osmantis> Bug #6990:04 OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.SceneGraph [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6990 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-06 05:19 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-06 06:43 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-06 12:03 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-06 12:39 <Lloydi> Good Day everyone!
2014-03-06 13:30 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-06 13:50 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-06 14:25 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-06 16:22 <Ken_S> Looks like there is a secret to making ODE boats work in Bulletsim.
2014-03-06 16:23 <Ken_S> Edit the boat, go to Features tab, change the "Restitution" setting to 0
2014-03-06 16:23 <Ken_S> Any idea what this setting is for or what it does?
2014-03-06 17:04 <jakdaniels> Ken_S: here's the SL definition, but not sure how that applies within bulletsim
2014-03-06 17:04 <jakdaniels> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/RESTITUTION
2014-03-06 17:05 <nebadon> its very doubtful we have support for this, its more likely that when this is set to 1 it just flat out breaks physics for BulletSim, I would suggest asking Misterblue when he is around, but I have not seen him in a while
2014-03-06 17:06 <Ken_S> I suspect ODE did not use this, so it was set to a really high number on ode boats.
2014-03-06 17:07 <jakdaniels> can you see what if any effect it had with ODE?
2014-03-06 17:07 <Ken_S> Maybe Bullet is more correct in its use of this that ODE was... if ODE used it at all
2014-03-06 17:07 <Ken_S> I'm into rl work atm and not in world right now, but can test later.
2014-03-06 17:09 <Ken_S> This is an exciting discovery. Now almost any ODE or SL boat script might work
2014-03-06 17:17 <nebadon> Ken_S these physics settings in the viewer are very new
2014-03-06 17:17 <nebadon> much much newer than ODE, no one has touched ODE code in years
2014-03-06 17:17 <frnic> justincc added some code regarding RESTITUTION on 2/26/2014 - I am browsing though it now to see if it is more than just place holder.
2014-03-06 17:18 <nebadon> its probably just serialization stuff no actual functionality is my guess
2014-03-06 17:19 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-06 17:20 <frnic> It appears it is associated with a property in ODE called bounce. Not much is done with it yet.
2014-03-06 17:21 <frnic> I don't see any references to RESTITUTION in bulletsim
2014-03-06 17:22 <Ken_S> I havent seen Robert on in a couple of weeks, but he will be happy to know all this.
2014-03-06 17:24 <frnic> It is only referenced in db, lsl, and ODE (pretty much) no references in BS yet.
2014-03-06 17:25 <Ken_S> Wonder why BS doesnt work with boats when its used?
2014-03-06 17:27 <frnic> Ah, wait, just updated, it has been added to BS in the last couple days, give me a minute to browse.
2014-03-06 17:30 <frnic> Okay, from what I can see, it appears BS has alot of it implemented, I don't know if it works yet, I will go test it on my grid, but it has much more features/functionality implemented than ODE. 
2014-03-06 17:30 <Ken_S> I suspect ODE doesnt even look at that value
2014-03-06 17:31 <frnic> Interesting, there is also a value called TerrainRestitution - which is "intriguing" :)
2014-03-06 17:32 <Ken_S> I only tried a value of 0 and it worked.
2014-03-06 17:32 <Ken_S> I have not tried really small values to see what affect it had
2014-03-06 17:33 <frnic> Well, core is definitely passing the value for RESTITUTION into the BS engine, so, I will need to go look in that to see, but I am betting - with all the work added to core, than it is working in BS and not in ODE.
2014-03-06 17:35 <frnic> is sitting in a physical vehicle and crossing region boundries working yet?
2014-03-06 17:36 <Thonneve> Maybe opensim is sending it to BS without using the name restitution?
2014-03-06 17:36 <Ken_S> Last I heard Melanie still needed to submit another code drop for vehicle crossings
2014-03-06 17:37 <frnic> Thonneve, in Core it seems to be called "bounce" or is at least related to that. However, Restitution definitely is begin used (and passed into the engine) on BS. In ODE it is mostly just updated in the DB and ignored.
2014-03-06 17:38 <frnic> thanks Ken_S - sigh... well, that is okay, I am not in a big hurry - maybe 6 months out before I will "need" crossings.
2014-03-06 17:38 <Ken_S> Yea, the value seemed to make no difference at all to ODE when testing.
2014-03-06 17:39 <frnic> Any idea what to look for in testing? I just updated my grid. I will pop over to OSGrid an pick up a vehicle someplace - maybe Neb's is still available at sandbox plaza?
2014-03-06 17:39 <Ken_S> The other day I saw on here melanie_ saying she was going to do it at the end of the weekend or Monday, but that was 2-3 weeks ago.
2014-03-06 17:39 <Thonneve> What's going on in testing?
2014-03-06 17:40 <frnic> I am sure Melanie_ will do the update as soon as she can, she is a bit busy :)
2014-03-06 17:41 <Ken_S> Yes, we all have rl to worry about first.
2014-03-06 17:42 <frnic> Thonneve, well, I am testing my updated yogurt maker. I replaced the bang-bang control algorithm with a PID one and went from +/- 2 degrees control to +/- 0.5 degrees using a $10 crockpot and a raspberry PI - oh, wait, you meant in OS - sorry. Ignore me. ...
2014-03-06 17:44 <Thonneve> bang bang control algorithm... sounds complicated
2014-03-06 17:45 <frnic> that is the thing on the wall for your air conditioner - it is either on or off based ona setpoint - about a simple as you can get.
2014-03-06 17:48 <nebadon> you can grab my racer at Sisyphus
2014-03-06 17:48 <nebadon> what are you testing?
2014-03-06 17:49 <nebadon> if your testing border crossings, that stuff is not working yet I dont think
2014-03-06 17:49 <nebadon> not with my racer anyway
2014-03-06 17:49 <Ken_S> Menalie_ hasn't done the code drop for that yet Nebadon
2014-03-06 17:49 <nebadon> also for those who were part of the Arm computer discussion yesterday, check this thing out
2014-03-06 17:49 <nebadon> http://linuxgizmos.com/tiny-quad-core-mini-pc-ships-for-69/
2014-03-06 17:49 <Ken_S> *melanie_
2014-03-06 17:49 <frnic> nebadon, I was going to see if I can tell if RESTITUTION is working now in BS.
2014-03-06 17:50 <nebadon> I am not sure if its melanie or robert who needs to work on that
2014-03-06 17:51 <frnic> nebadon, that is nice, it looks a lot like a standalone OS server to me :)
2014-03-06 17:51 <nebadon> more memory than the RaspPi
2014-03-06 17:52 <Ken_S> Maybe both, but I saw on chat 2-3 weeks ago melanie_ said she was going to do a code drop for it the end of the weekend or Monday, but never did
2014-03-06 17:56 <frnic> Yes, rPI only has 512mb which really limits OS. I am trying to figure out what SoC this uses - it is an ARM? I see (I think) it is a quad core 1.7ghz with 1GB ram.
2014-03-06 17:57 <nebadon> ya its a Samsung CPU
2014-03-06 17:57 <nebadon> its ARM
2014-03-06 17:57 <frnic> Cool, so porting BS lib and a few other things should not be hard.
2014-03-06 17:57 <nebadon> Samsung Cortex-A9 Quad-core Exynos4412, 1.5GHz
2014-03-06 17:58 <Plugh> diva: ping
2014-03-06 17:59 <frnic> I think I am going to have to get one of these and put debian on it. I am really liking debian since I started using it instead of SuSE (and I used SuSE for MANY years... :)
2014-03-06 17:59 <nebadon> Debian is ok, I am not a huge fan but it makes for a good server
2014-03-06 18:00 <Thonneve> nebadon: another arm computer discussion? seems to be common place now haha
2014-03-06 18:00 <nebadon> heh ya I only mentioned it becasue of the previous conversation
2014-03-06 18:00 <nebadon> seems like a nice low cost machine
2014-03-06 18:01 <frnic> I put debian on the rPI and an old Aspire One netbook I had in a drawer for a few years and ported OS to them - works, but the PI is not practical performance for OS.
2014-03-06 18:01 <Plugh> 
ACTION has worked with a couple of ARM based boards.

2014-03-06 18:01 <nebadon> its probably cheaper than the Pi in the end
2014-03-06 18:01 <nebadon> after you get a case and power supply
2014-03-06 18:01 <frnic> yes, I have already gotten permission from wife unit to purchase one - :)
2014-03-06 18:01 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-06 18:01 <frnic> yes, it is as cheap or cheaper than PI.
2014-03-06 18:01 <Plugh> There are quite a few ARM based boards around these days.
2014-03-06 18:01 <Thonneve> frnic: Opensim doesn't need porting, just gotta set it up properly and setup OS properly
2014-03-06 18:02 <nebadon> Plugh > http://nanopc.org/NanoPC-T1_Feature.html
2014-03-06 18:02 <frnic> The PI with a relay for my yogurt machine was $75.
2014-03-06 18:02 <nebadon> this is one we are discussing you came in after i pasted link
2014-03-06 18:02 <frnic> Thonneve - there is NO official ARM port of Bulletsim - and I don't use ODE>
2014-03-06 18:02 <Thonneve> frnic: Set bullsim to use bulletxna, there you have bulletsim
2014-03-06 18:02 <frnic> I have BS working on the PI.
2014-03-06 18:02 <nebadon> there is the C# version
2014-03-06 18:02 <nebadon> which should run fine on ARm
2014-03-06 18:03 <Thonneve> It works, albeit like a snail
2014-03-06 18:03 <nebadon> ya, thats because the Pi is a snail
2014-03-06 18:03 <nebadon> lol
2014-03-06 18:03 <frnic> Thonneve, and then wait until tomorrow to bouce a ball - I prefer not to use the C# port.
2014-03-06 18:03 <Thonneve> frnic: It worked fine on my HTC One
2014-03-06 18:03 <nebadon> oh thats right HTC one
2014-03-06 18:03 <Thonneve> Opensim works /well/ just not for extended periods of time or doing a lot
2014-03-06 18:03 <nebadon> thats probably very similar hardward to that nanopc
2014-03-06 18:05 <frnic> Hmm, going to get to buy a powersupply for it - it takes 2A at 5v - I normally use cell phone chargers on the PI. 
2014-03-06 18:05 <Thonneve> HTC one's SoC is much better than the nanopc
2014-03-06 18:05 <nebadon> the one i posted comes with the power supply
2014-03-06 18:05 <Thonneve> For comparison, the samsung GS3 has the nanoPC SoC
2014-03-06 18:05 <frnic> Oh, I see that now, ps includd.
2014-03-06 18:06 <Thonneve> Whereas the HTC One has a SoC that is still difficult to beat now
2014-03-06 18:06 <nebadon> ya, that is a nice phone
2014-03-06 18:06 <Thonneve> For the price it better be :P
2014-03-06 18:06 <nebadon> i chose the Galaxy Note 2 myself
2014-03-06 18:06 <frnic> Is the HTC one $69?
2014-03-06 18:06 <nebadon> i love my phone
2014-03-06 18:06 <nebadon> HTC One is a cell phone
2014-03-06 18:06 <nebadon> its like 600-800$
2014-03-06 18:06 <nebadon> lol
2014-03-06 18:06 <frnic> (I know, that was my point.)
2014-03-06 18:07 <frnic> I don't use a cell phone, my wife uses a iPhone.
2014-03-06 18:07 <frnic> I am looking ofr very cheeap toys - I am retired and limited income. NanoPC looks awesome.
2014-03-06 18:07 <nebadon> i was blown away last night, I was able to use my Galaxy Note as a network card to setup a linux server that didnt have wifi
2014-03-06 18:07 <antont> nebadon: via usb? that's neat
2014-03-06 18:07 <Plugh> That Nano looks cute and interesting. Cost is more than a Pi or BBB but not bad when you consider it includes USB cable and power supply.
2014-03-06 18:07 <nebadon> i didnt have a long enough ethernet cable to reach the only open ports i had
2014-03-06 18:07 <nebadon> ya
2014-03-06 18:08 <nebadon> i plugged it into USB and enabled tether
2014-03-06 18:08 <antont> nebadon: i guess it was basically a usb modem then
2014-03-06 18:08 <nebadon> i assumed it would only work with cellular plan
2014-03-06 18:08 <nebadon> but it totally worked as a network card on my lan
2014-03-06 18:08 <antont> ah right the phone was in wifi
2014-03-06 18:08 <Plugh> Amazing that it is only $2 extra for a case. Don't know how they do that.
2014-03-06 18:08 <nebadon> was awesome, even in linux
2014-03-06 18:08 <nebadon> 3D Printing Plugh hehe
2014-03-06 18:08 <nebadon> so much cheaper than injection mold
2014-03-06 18:09 <nebadon> its like 1/50th the cost
2014-03-06 18:09 <Plugh> yea, but slow process if they are going to sell a lot of them. It is actually somewhat expensive to 3D print a case.
2014-03-06 18:09 <nebadon> not if you use a professional service
2014-03-06 18:09 <Plugh> true
2014-03-06 18:10 <Plugh> I already have a Pi and thinking of a BBB (or may be given[?] a BBB) for working on a project for a client. 
2014-03-06 18:10 <nebadon> and really if you consider buyig a case and power supply for the Pi
2014-03-06 18:10 <nebadon> the cost is very similar
2014-03-06 18:10 <nebadon> its maybe 10-15$ difference
2014-03-06 18:10 <Plugh> I don't think I really need a Nano on top of it.
2014-03-06 18:10 <Plugh> yeah
2014-03-06 18:10 <nebadon> and the nano is much faster/more memory
2014-03-06 18:10 <frnic> Plugh, by the time ytou have a working pi in a case the nano is the same price and MUCH faster.
2014-03-06 18:11 <Plugh> frnic: and more I/O.
2014-03-06 18:11 <Plugh> 30 GPIO pins
2014-03-06 18:11 <frnic> yes, wish the shipping were cheaper - that sucks.
2014-03-06 18:11 <nebadon> oh ya dang
2014-03-06 18:11 <Plugh> Shipping is often a pain. I have stuff to order from Adafruit but I haven't because their shipping charges aren't good.
2014-03-06 18:11 <nebadon> i never looked at shipping 36$ ouch
2014-03-06 18:12 <Plugh> I object to paying around 50% the cost of the item for shipping.
2014-03-06 18:12 <nebadon> still even at 100$
2014-03-06 18:12 <frnic> they need to sell through Amazon - lol. I have prime.
2014-03-06 18:12 <nebadon> its a good deal
2014-03-06 18:12 <Plugh> Ah. Its coming from China?
2014-03-06 18:13 <frnic> yeah, Amazon doesn't have it yet :)
2014-03-06 18:14 <nebadon> ya looks like its from china
2014-03-06 18:14 <frnic> It is very tempting to get to just see what the quality looks like. 
2014-03-06 18:15 <frnic> also, it appears to be limited to 4gb (maybe) the SD card is said to be used to "refreesh" the system.
2014-03-06 18:16 <Plugh> That may be part of the reason for the higher shipping.
2014-03-06 18:17 <frnic> http://files.linuxgizmos.com/odroid-u3-vs-raspi-performance.jpg
2014-03-06 18:17 <frnic> that is a similar unit - 1.7ghz vs 1.5ghz.
2014-03-06 18:17 <nebadon> nice ya thats considerably faster no doubt
2014-03-06 18:18 <nebadon> the pi is very underpowered
2014-03-06 18:18 <nebadon> which in some circles actually makes it more attractive hehe
2014-03-06 18:18 <nebadon> i think alot of the hype around the Pi is seeing how far you can make such limited power go
2014-03-06 18:19 <nebadon> kind of like the demoscene mentality still programming demos for c64 and amiga
2014-03-06 18:19 <frnic> agreed. I wonder if you can run off the SD card on the NanoPC or if it is only a i/o device interface. 
2014-03-06 18:20 <frnic> It lists Ubuntu, so I expect getting debian up will not be hard.
2014-03-06 18:20 <nebadon> ya probably not
2014-03-06 18:42 <Plugh> nebadon: You planning to pick up a Nano?
2014-03-06 18:42 <nebadon> not now no, I dont really have the time to play with that right now
2014-03-06 18:43 <nebadon> im heading to sweden in the next month
2014-03-06 18:43 <nebadon> will be there for 6 weeks
2014-03-06 18:43 <antont> oh, coming to our neighbour :)
2014-03-06 18:43 <paulie_flomar> neb :work or play?
2014-03-06 18:43 <nebadon> work
2014-03-06 18:44 <Plugh> nebadon: More travelling? You haven't long been back from your other trip.
2014-03-06 18:44 <paulie_flomar> ah. well, try to get som eplay in there somewhere. :)
2014-03-06 18:44 <nebadon> ya I know
2014-03-06 18:44 <nebadon> I will have some time to have some fun
2014-03-06 18:44 <nebadon> they are giving me a week to travel
2014-03-06 18:57 <Thonneve> nebadon: What is your job?
2014-03-06 19:11 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-06 19:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #3337 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-06 19:16 <nebadon> Thonneve, 3D modeling with OpenSimulator :)
2014-03-06 19:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3337: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3337/
2014-03-06 19:16 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add scene name to bad parcel add logging
2014-03-06 19:18 <velus> nebadon: you mean like blender style modleing?
2014-03-06 19:20 <nebadon> some, I use the viewer tools a lot too
2014-03-06 19:20 <Thonneve> nebadon: So your job is to work with opensim and probably also to work on it?
2014-03-06 19:38 <Sked> Hello
2014-03-06 19:38 <Sked> can anyone help me with passwordSalt and passwordHash
2014-03-06 19:39 <Sked> i am making new webredux 
2014-03-06 19:39 <Sked> and only this part need to release it
2014-03-06 19:40 <Sked> is this pgp code right : $passwordHash = md5(md5($password) . ':' . $passwordSalt);
2014-03-06 19:41 <Plugh> That looks right, IIRC.
2014-03-06 19:41 <Sked> so if i understund right
2014-03-06 19:41 <velus> sked that is right
2014-03-06 19:42 <velus> im creating one my self and i used the data in the db its self to find out if it was a + or a . 
2014-03-06 19:42 <Plugh> Sked: Yup. it is right.
2014-03-06 19:42 <Sked> first when user make account they make make passwordSalt in auth db
2014-03-06 19:42 <velus> but the plus is in c# as an concatante and in php its a . to concatante
2014-03-06 19:42 <Plugh> velus: . in PHP for string concatenation
2014-03-06 19:42 <velus> i know 
2014-03-06 19:43 <Sked> and then when activate it make passwordHash in auth
2014-03-06 19:43 <Sked> or how this work
2014-03-06 19:43 <velus> sked one sec
2014-03-06 19:44 <Sked> ok 
2014-03-06 19:46 <velus> http://pastebin.com/x5c14fF3 that is begining of a create user (this is in classes and such and im still working on it so there is a lot mmore to do like i need to call to the db's and add them) you will need to add the data to both user accounts and auth the user accounts needs the data to be put in like fname lname uuid etc and the auth needs both salt and hash, with uuid aswell you need to do them all together when you create the user 
2014-03-06 19:47 <velus> i will be adding other things to othr db tables aswell like the profile table and such 
2014-03-06 19:47 <velus> but thats for my webui though
2014-03-06 19:47 <Sked> wow tnx
2014-03-06 19:47 <velus> your welcome and thats a standard uuid gen in there so you have the right format for it
2014-03-06 19:48 <velus> sked can i pm you?
2014-03-06 19:48 <Sked> sure tnx
2014-03-06 19:48 <|-fInE-|> thats not much :D
2014-03-06 19:48 <velus> i know its not |-fInE-| i still got a lot to do on it
2014-03-06 19:49 <Sked> well i am making it for webredux
2014-03-06 19:49 <Sked> and will try this one
2014-03-06 19:53 <|-fInE-|> how did you know it jakdaniels .. i thought about jack daniels on the rox couble of mins ago :D
2014-03-06 19:54 <velus> lol
2014-03-06 20:05 <|-fInE-|> for those who have problems with php programming language .. try Lianja .. you can easy build your web app with this product .. http://www.lianja.com .. its a great product for little to large business apps .. 
2014-03-06 20:08 <Sked> tnx
2014-03-06 20:19 <|-fInE-|> i'll start to build a implementation for opensim next time .. that anyone can use it on opensim 
2014-03-06 20:24 <velus> |-fInE-|: im working on a web gui with my own cms/mvc system, something that will be easy to use and also easy to change the style and look of it 
2014-03-06 20:25 <velus> im a seasoned web developer so i know how to do this
2014-03-06 20:25 <|-fInE-|> feal free to do it .. my goal is to implement a system in opensim for peoples who don't know how to program php :D
2014-03-06 20:26 <velus> yeah and my goal is to have a free system they can download for opensim and maybe even have a few template that people can use to change the look of it 
2014-03-06 20:26 <velus> and a lot more
2014-03-06 20:28 <RiRa> why you want php in opensim ?
2014-03-06 20:29 <velus> for the website
2014-03-06 20:29 <|-fInE-|> i do not want php for shure :D
2014-03-06 20:40 <Sked> does opensim make inventory automatic when i create new account ot i must make it with code?
2014-03-06 20:41 <antont> i think it happens automatically
2014-03-06 20:41 <RiRa> for website you use a webserver. not opensim.
2014-03-06 20:41 <justincc> if the setting to create default items is set to true (the default) then a minimum set of clothing and body parts are created.
2014-03-06 20:44 <Sked> o i see
2014-03-06 20:45 <Sked> is this in db
2014-03-06 20:45 <justincc> yes
2014-03-06 20:45 <|-fInE-|> hi justin 
2014-03-06 20:46 <justincc> hello |-fInE-|
2014-03-06 20:46 <Sked> i make this to create avatar : http://pastebin.com/542v3ikE
2014-03-06 20:46 <Sked> is this enauf or need to add anythink else
2014-03-06 20:48 <justincc> it should be enough, thuogh user will appear as a cloud until they wear all the required body parts and clothing
2014-03-06 20:49 <Sked> hm but dont work for me
2014-03-06 20:49 <Sked> i get this error: reason: unable to retrieve user inventory
2014-03-06 20:50 <justincc> oh well, you probably need to do that too then
2014-03-06 20:50 <Sked> uh
2014-03-06 20:50 <Sked> hehe
2014-03-06 20:50 <Sked> do you have any example mybe
2014-03-06 20:50 <Sked> to look in
2014-03-06 20:52 <justincc> XInventorySerice.CreateUserInventory() would show you all the entries and system folders being created
2014-03-06 20:52 <justincc> though it may be easier just to create a user and then look at the inventoryfolders table to see what happens
2014-03-06 20:52 <justincc> essentially, it create a root "My Inventory" folder and then a set of child system folders (animations, objects, scripts, etc.)
2014-03-06 20:53 <Sked> o i see
2014-03-06 20:53 <Sked> tnx
2014-03-06 20:54 <Sked> and where can i find this new source
2014-03-06 20:54 <justincc> new source?
2014-03-06 20:55 <Sked> yes 7.6.1 one
2014-03-06 20:55 <justincc> where you would usually find it
2014-03-06 20:56 <Sked> sorry i am new here
2014-03-06 20:56 <justincc> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Download
2014-03-06 20:56 <Sked> tnx
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2014-03-06 21:02 <velus> justincc: where would i find all the info on the userprofile db ?
2014-03-06 21:02 <velus> and also what does the friends flag do and whats the values, i know its an int but not sure if there is a system for it
2014-03-06 21:03 <velus> and thirdly in the ofline im messages how do you know who it was from?
2014-03-06 21:03 <smxy> Have you considered just looking at the table in the db?
2014-03-06 21:03 <|-fInE-|> velus a little tip .. the userprofile db is documented inside phpmyadmin :D
2014-03-06 21:03 <velus> i have looked in ther
2014-03-06 21:03 <justincc> I don't think there's any doc on userprofiles tables
2014-03-06 21:03 <|-fInE-|> smxy yeah :D
2014-03-06 21:04 <justincc> friends flag allows you to see other people and there are other settings in theory for being able to edit their content I think - I haven't been in that area much at all
2014-03-06 21:04 <ftcodes1> velus have you considered taking a few weeks digging through opensim source code?
2014-03-06 21:04 <justincc> I thought the offline IM stored the sending agent
2014-03-06 21:04 <smxy> I believe it does
2014-03-06 21:05 <ftcodes1> friends table stores flags you granted and the flags you where granted
2014-03-06 21:05 <velus> id midium int 9 principleiud varchar 36 message text timestamp timedate
2014-03-06 21:05 <justincc> ah yes, that whole thing is confusing
2014-03-06 21:05 <ftcodes1> these include seeing on the map, seeing online and editing objects
2014-03-06 21:06 <ftcodes1> for every friendship there are two entries in the database
2014-03-06 21:06 <ftcodes1> specifically friends table
2014-03-06 21:06 <velus> ftcodes1: i would check on os code but i dont understand c# so i would not be able to understand it
2014-03-06 21:07 <ftcodes1> learn it or you do not get the full docs on its structure
2014-03-06 21:07 <justincc> ok, I need to eat, back later
2014-03-06 21:07 <velus> i cant learn c# in weeks and the os sorcecode
2014-03-06 21:08 <velus> thats why i come here for help 
2014-03-06 21:08 <velus> when im needing it
2014-03-06 21:08 <ftcodes1> you tell people that you know PHP and then you tell people you cannot learn C#
2014-03-06 21:08 <ftcodes1> those two share a common root 
2014-03-06 21:08 <velus> i can learn it yes 
2014-03-06 21:08 <velus> but i cant learn c# and the os code in a few weeks 
2014-03-06 21:08 <velus> like you tald me to 
2014-03-06 21:09 <|-fInE-|> velus that confuses me :D you can write php but can't read csharp ?!? 
2014-03-06 21:09 <ftcodes1> the only thing you need is to get an understanding not being able to write it
2014-03-06 21:09 <ftcodes1> PHP and C# come both from the C and C++ ancestry
2014-03-06 21:09 <velus> i prob could read it but i wouldnt know where to start in the os code for the info
2014-03-06 21:11 <velus> ok where in the code will i find out about the freinds system?
2014-03-06 21:11 <ftcodes1> use the global search project from the IDE
2014-03-06 21:12 <velus> im not using an ide im using notpad++
2014-03-06 21:12 <ftcodes1> use the windows search function
2014-03-06 21:13 <velus> so windows search would look through all the code for me?? err that aint right, unless you mean do a general search in windows for freinds?
2014-03-06 21:13 <ftcodes1> what is C# source code? just some plain text files
2014-03-06 21:14 <velus> yes 
2014-03-06 21:14 <velus> but there is many files in the os project and also windows search function dont search ther files just the names of them and the metta data of them
2014-03-06 21:14 <ftcodes1> on Linux my most used handy tool set of line: find -name '*.cs' | xargs grep '[Ff][rR][iI][eE][nN][dD][sS]'
2014-03-06 21:15 <|-fInE-|> :D
2014-03-06 21:16 <ftcodes1> the windows search knows file patterns like the following *.cs
2014-03-06 21:16 <velus> so there is a file called file called *freinds*.cs
2014-03-06 21:16 <|-fInE-|> please begin with "printf hello world" so you know it works :)
2014-03-06 21:17 <Sked> i spossible that v7.6  make strange coordinates of region
2014-03-06 21:17 <Sked> *its
2014-03-06 21:17 <|-fInE-|> not really why? did you configure it on regions ini ?
2014-03-06 21:18 <Sked> i have in region 8000,8000 and in db 2048000,2048000
2014-03-06 21:19 <Sked> under locX and locY
2014-03-06 21:19 <|-fInE-|> you've tried it with v0.7.6 postfixes release ? 
2014-03-06 21:20 <Sked> hm
2014-03-06 21:20 <Sked> i dont know
2014-03-06 21:20 <Sked> i will try with this one
2014-03-06 21:20 <|-fInE-|> please try to recreate the region on database after update
2014-03-06 21:21 <Sked> ok i will
2014-03-06 21:22 <lkalif> ftcodes1: you mean grep -i "friends"
2014-03-06 21:24 <Thonneve> lkalif: No results..
2014-03-06 21:28 <ftcodes1> the simpler solution you are right ;)
2014-03-06 21:29 <ftcodes1> but normally I use more complicated search strings that need case sensitivity in places
2014-03-06 21:29 <|-fInE-|> hmm i never used -i within the grep command line .. but i think i should do that in future :)
2014-03-06 21:30 <ftcodes1> more common even that I sometimes generate those patterns too
2014-03-06 21:31 <ftcodes1> have that tool set sitting on every windows pc I have to use as well ;)
2014-03-06 21:32 <ftcodes1> find -name '*[fF][rR][iI][eE][n][N][dD]*.cs' | xargs grep store 
2014-03-06 21:32 <ftcodes1> gives every place where the function with store in lower case is used or just referenced by comment ;)
2014-03-06 21:32 <ftcodes1> and only the files that have friend in case-insentivite way
2014-03-06 21:36 <ftcodes1> velus do you actually people your deadline?
2014-03-06 21:36 <ftcodes1> which is in 102 days and 28 minutes ?
2014-03-06 21:36 <|-fInE-|> Sked sorry to say but i have the same problem on my backend .. but i'm using current 0.8.0 dev
2014-03-06 21:36 <velus> people my deadline?
2014-03-06 21:37 <ftcodes1> you have it on your grid's page
2014-03-06 21:37 <velus> i dont get the question? 
2014-03-06 21:37 <velus> do i people my deadline?
2014-03-06 21:37 <ftcodes1> do you tell people that you have a deadline scheduled on your grid's web page?
2014-03-06 21:37 <|-fInE-|> sked i have 256000, 256000 
2014-03-06 21:37 <velus> as in what way? 
2014-03-06 21:38 <ftcodes1> when you are asking for developers?
2014-03-06 21:38 <velus> no i dont
2014-03-06 21:38 <|-fInE-|> :D
2014-03-06 21:38 <velus> the first part of the site needs to be up by then 
2014-03-06 21:38 <velus> the bassic registration and that part
2014-03-06 21:39 <velus> then the other feature are to come when they are done
2014-03-06 21:39 <Thonneve> 102 days is a big enough time span
2014-03-06 21:40 <velus> it may come forward 
2014-03-06 21:40 <velus> but i also have to intergrate the payment system too and the money system
2014-03-06 21:40 <ftcodes1> you should update jquery.js since it uses a deprecated feature
2014-03-06 21:41 <velus> ?? what feature?
2014-03-06 21:41 <ftcodes1> getPreventDefault()
2014-03-06 21:43 <ftcodes1> ever used the web developer features of Firefox?
2014-03-06 21:43 <velus> no havent used firefox since it went slow
2014-03-06 21:43 <|-fInE-|> firebug what is it? :D
2014-03-06 21:43 <ftcodes1> it is not anymore that slow
2014-03-06 21:43 <velus> i dont know i havent usxed it in a year
2014-03-06 21:43 <ftcodes1> it was only slow during the netscape navigator times which are actually long gone
2014-03-06 21:43 <Sked> ok tnx |-fInE-|
2014-03-06 21:43 <ftcodes1> but it is easy to add lots of stupid addons that kill performance
2014-03-06 21:43 <ftcodes1> but that is true for any browser
2014-03-06 21:43 <velus> i dont use addons 
2014-03-06 21:43 <velus> i hate them a lot of them fuck it up
2014-03-06 21:43 <|-fInE-|> Sked you've tried it with locX and locY right? .. 
2014-03-06 21:43 <Sked> yes
2014-03-06 21:43 <ftcodes1> if you are developing web pages you have to check the different browsers
2014-03-06 21:43 <Sked> i have this in my db
2014-03-06 21:43 <Sked> its okey
2014-03-06 21:44 <velus> i do check diff browsers but i use chrome more than any i still have ff installed but only use it for checking websites that im amn working on
2014-03-06 21:44 <Sked> in new grid map show right coordinates but in old webredux one dont
2014-03-06 21:44 <Sked> i will fix problem
2014-03-06 21:44 <Sked> tnx
2014-03-06 21:44 <|-fInE-|> ah ok 
2014-03-06 21:45 <velus> brb coffe time and also time for a break from pc due to eyes
2014-03-06 21:45 <ftcodes1> there are quite some tools for checking pages for js and css errors
2014-03-06 22:15 <Thonneve> velus: My site is checked by FF and Chrome, IE can suck a chode
2014-03-06 22:16 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION just learned a word

2014-03-06 22:18 <Thonneve> Haha
2014-03-06 22:18 <|-fInE-|1> IE? or Chrome ? :D
2014-03-06 22:18 <Thonneve> IE can such a chode
2014-03-06 22:19 <|-fInE-|1> i've ment the work he learned :D
2014-03-06 22:19 <|-fInE-|1> word*
2014-03-06 22:19 <Thonneve> Oh
2014-03-06 22:19 <Thonneve> I assume he means chode
2014-03-06 22:22 <SignpostMarv1> anyone around that's familiar with using make via mingw32 ?
2014-03-06 22:22 <ftcodes1> pretty same as when using make and gcc on Linux
2014-03-06 22:23 <Thonneve> ^
2014-03-06 22:24 <Thonneve> In fact make is just recompiled to work on windows I beleive
2014-03-06 22:24 <ftcodes1> it is 
2014-03-06 22:24 <SignpostMarv1> I've had some issues trying to build zopflipng :s
2014-03-06 22:26 <Thonneve> SignpostMarv1: It would have to be modified for windows I beleive
2014-03-06 22:26 <Thonneve> The source that is
2014-03-06 22:27 <ftcodes1> the issue comes mostly from unix-specifics within the source code itself
2014-03-06 22:27 <Thonneve> Microsoft is so anti-unix they break anything unix
2014-03-06 22:29 <|-fInE-|1> they supported samba4 and opensuse :) but you're right its a nightmare
2014-03-06 22:29 <SignpostMarv1> zopfli builds fine via mingw32, btw
2014-03-06 22:30 <SignpostMarv1> just not zopflipng
2014-03-06 22:30 <SignpostMarv1> lemme pull it up again
2014-03-06 22:30 <SignpostMarv1> warnings then final link failed
2014-03-06 22:31 <Thonneve> Very very very likley some unix issues
2014-03-06 22:32 <SignpostMarv1> hrm.
2014-03-06 22:32 <SignpostMarv1> is it possibly a 64 bit issue also ?
2014-03-06 22:32 <ftcodes1> depends on software
2014-03-06 22:32 <ftcodes1> to be compiled
2014-03-06 22:33 <|-fInE-|1> hmm i never tried the minimalist gcc ..
2014-03-06 22:34 <|-fInE-|1> i would try to install cygwin instead 
2014-03-06 22:34 <SignpostMarv1> 
ACTION gives that a go

2014-03-06 22:37 <Thonneve> cygwin was a massive problem for me
2014-03-06 22:37 <Thonneve> But this was when it was relitively new
2014-03-06 22:40 <|-fInE-|1> its better .. but for now i'm using my secure shell session for gcc sessions .. not windows anymore
2014-03-06 22:45 <osmantis> Bug #5122:04 Objects such as avatar hair still appears in center hud position 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5122 ): has been CLOSED
2014-03-06 23:14 <velus> back and Thonneve whats a chode?
2014-03-06 23:15 <Thonneve> I won't say it in this channel incase of children
2014-03-06 23:16 <velus> pm me it then .lolk
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2014-03-07 00:44 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-07 01:00 <Ken_S> justincc, you suggest to use "Land Clear" in a mantis.
2014-03-07 01:01 <Ken_S> Exactly what does Land Clear do?
2014-03-07 01:01 <justincc> it wipes all existing parcels and puts down the region-wide default one
2014-03-07 01:01 <Ken_S> Does it do anything with prims or terrain at all even if owned by someone other than sim owner?
2014-03-07 01:02 <justincc> it won't
2014-03-07 01:02 <Ken_S> OK wanted to make sure before someone started screaming at me. lol
2014-03-07 01:02 <justincc> of course, please take a backup in case I'm wrong
2014-03-07 01:03 <Ken_S> So if a sim was not divided up into parcels, it reall wont do anything noticable?
2014-03-07 01:03 <justincc> it should have no effect, though it will reset the owner to the estate manager
2014-03-07 01:03 <justincc> if that was different
2014-03-07 01:03 <Ken_S> OK that wont change then
2014-03-07 01:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #3338 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-07 01:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3338: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3338/
2014-03-07 01:09 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add regression test for sending group notices via xmlrpc groups connector.
2014-03-07 01:09 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-07 01:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #3339 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-07 01:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3339: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3339/
2014-03-07 01:29 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Only auto-create a land parcel when there is none in a specified tile if there is more than 1 existing land parcel.
2014-03-07 01:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #3340 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-07 01:38 <danbanner> Ken_S: creating a new parcel with land clear means you need to go around and turn off build and edit terrain, etc
2014-03-07 01:39 <danbanner> it does not change the terrain or prims
2014-03-07 01:39 <justincc> danbanner, Ken_S: the comments Clinton has been making on the mantis make me think there's a further problem.  I'm just making some commits now so you jmay want to hold off
2014-03-07 01:39 <danbanner> okay cool
2014-03-07 01:39 <danbanner> i gotta split now anyway
2014-03-07 01:40 <danbanner> i bbl
2014-03-07 01:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3340: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3340/
2014-03-07 01:40 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Lock m_landlist whilst loading parcels from storage to prevent a race against any parcel auto-creation in GetLandObject()
2014-03-07 01:41 <Ken_S> justincc, I already did a Land Clear and redid everything.
2014-03-07 01:42 <Ken_S> Ill wait for your fixes before restarting again.
2014-03-07 01:42 <justincc> ok, you may want to try master very soon, as that aims to prevent the problem that I think clinton is seeing
2014-03-07 01:42 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-03-07 01:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #3341 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-07 01:43 <Thonneve> justincc really gets to work
2014-03-07 01:44 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-03-07 01:45 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-07 01:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3341: SUCCESS in 3 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3341/
2014-03-07 01:46 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Remove try/catch in LandManagmentModule.GetLandObject() - this is very old code and the caught exceptions can no longer occur.
2014-03-07 01:49 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-07 01:49 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): requires your FEEDBACK.
2014-03-07 01:49 <justincc> Ken_S: ok, that should be it
2014-03-07 01:50 <djphil> nebadon : A new Warrning with the last OpenSim (OSG version) http://pastebin.com/Lxqj7gbY
2014-03-07 01:51 <djphil> i see is the same reportend in #7035 @ http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035#c25370
2014-03-07 02:01 <Plugh> Is diva away?
2014-03-07 02:04 <Thonneve> Who manages the osgrid builds?
2014-03-07 02:04 <justincc> I think danbanner or nebadon usually
2014-03-07 02:06 <djphil> log a little bigger here : http://pastebin.com/txBE00Uy
2014-03-07 02:10 <justincc> ok, time for me to rest.  Goodnight folks
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2014-03-07 02:13 <nebadon> Thonneve danbanner is currently doing OSgrid builds
2014-03-07 02:16 <djphil> and finally by the log of the old and the new OSGrid OSGrid with the command "show land" http://pastebin.com/GzFCVzZb
2014-03-07 02:16 <djphil> land show*
2014-03-07 02:18 <nebadon> djphil do these problems still occur with git master?
2014-03-07 02:19 <djphil> observation: on the old OSGrid I see 9 owners for a region (this is incorrect) and  log 1 is with warning warnings also indicates 9 problems (on region DigiZone 05)
2014-03-07 02:19 <djphil> no master, but last Version on OSGrid Website
2014-03-07 02:20 <djphil> last (form me) is : osgrid-opensim-03062014.v0.8.0.aa2fb1e
2014-03-07 02:20 <djphil> old is : osgrid-opensim-02282014.v0.8.0.5038a59
2014-03-07 02:21 <djphil> (19h and 1 Mar)
2014-03-07 02:21 <djphil> see Tweeter widget ^^
2014-03-07 02:22 <djphil> check last pastbin @ "Land information for DigiZone05"
2014-03-07 02:22 <djphil> have 9 owners ...
2014-03-07 02:23 <djphil> that wrong
2014-03-07 02:23 <djphil> and the first pastbin say 9 warrings too ...
2014-03-07 02:51 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-07 03:11 <velus> in the useraccounts table the created is that ion unixtime stamp?
2014-03-07 03:15 <nebadon> velus yes
2014-03-07 03:15 <nebadon> I use this site sometimes to view them > http://www.unixtimestamp.com/index.php
2014-03-07 03:17 <velus> i will be fdoing it in php so it would be time()
2014-03-07 04:29 <osmantis> Bug #7010:04 [Bulletsim]  Motor boats and sailboats that worked great in ODE won't move in Bulletsim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7010 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-07 04:33 <osmantis> Bug #7047:04 Add "Max Prims per User" setting for Regions / Parcels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7047 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-03-07 04:33 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-07 04:37 <osmantis> Bug #6973:04 Offline IM's Fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6973 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-07 05:08 <nebadon> hmm wierd I just tried my racer on my new varregions on osgrid
2014-03-07 05:08 <nebadon> and it doesnt work seems I cant make prims physical either, how odd
2014-03-07 05:10 <danbanner> hmm
2014-03-07 05:10 <nebadon> aha i see why
2014-03-07 05:10 <nebadon> for some reason I have physical prims turned off
2014-03-07 05:10 <nebadon> I know why
2014-03-07 05:10 <nebadon> i copied these opensim.ini files from OSCC13 Keynote regions
2014-03-07 05:10 <danbanner> ahh
2014-03-07 07:18 <Plugh> nebadon: what is the current version of your racer?
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2014-03-07 12:55 <osmantis> Bug #7026:04 Error thrown on every sim startup [SCENEGRAPH] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7026 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-07 12:55 <osmantis> Bug #7026:04 Error thrown on every sim startup [SCENEGRAPH] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7026 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-07 12:58 <osmantis> Bug #7041:04 On first run r24394 spews huge number of error messages while loading assets for WARP3D then crashes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7041 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-07 13:06 <osmantis> Bug #6973:04 Offline IM's Fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6973 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-07 13:06 <osmantis> Bug #7047:04 Add "Max Prims per User" setting for Regions / Parcels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7047 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-07 13:08 <osmantis> Bug #7047:04 Add "Max Prims per User" setting for Regions / Parcels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7047 ): has been CLOSED
2014-03-07 14:50 <Thonneve> Anyone know where I can find a up to date resource for the OSSL function?
2014-03-07 14:50 <Thonneve> functions*
2014-03-07 14:50 <Thonneve> And the NPC ones if possible
2014-03-07 15:05 <Thonneve> And Is it possible to write to a file from opensim?
2014-03-07 16:59 <Plugh> nebadon: What is the version number on your latest release of the okc racer package?
2014-03-07 17:00 <nebadon> hmm
2014-03-07 17:00 <nebadon> let me log in and look
2014-03-07 17:07 <nebadon> man I am getting a nasty memory leak at "Reticulation" on osgrid
2014-03-07 17:08 <nebadon> was using 3gb ram and i type "force gc" and it goes to 700mb
2014-03-07 17:08 <nebadon> memory frees up on top too
2014-03-07 17:21 <Plugh> 3G to 700M? That is a sign of a bad leak. At least the gc was able to clean things up.
2014-03-07 17:25 <smxy> Huh. Doing that took me from 306MB to 132MB. I might add that as a timer command.
2014-03-07 17:31 <nebadon> thats what I am thinking too smxy
2014-03-07 17:31 <nebadon> it should be doing that regularly though
2014-03-07 17:31 <nebadon> so i dont know why its not GC'ing on its own
2014-03-07 17:31 <smxy> Yes, but nudging it can't hurt.
2014-03-07 17:32 <smxy> Oh, my new servers are due middle of next week. Then I have to learn Citrix XenServer, as I'm going to try to move to it, from VMware ESXi.
2014-03-07 17:32 <nebadon> wow nice, thats a huge leap
2014-03-07 17:32 <nebadon> should run a lot better if you figure it out
2014-03-07 17:33 <nebadon> Xen has much better hardware support
2014-03-07 17:33 <|-fInE-|> esxi is the better choice .. i had troubles with the internal bridge on xenserver
2014-03-07 17:33 <smxy> XenServer has, for free, all the options that I'd have to pay for in VMware. Like moving servers and datastores around on the fly and automatically doing that, and managing all servers as a group instead of individually.
2014-03-07 17:34 <smxy> It's worth trying. What version of XenServer did you use - 6.2?
2014-03-07 17:35 <|-fInE-|> yes .. i like the xencenter as well .. but it wasn't usable for me
2014-03-07 17:35 <smxy> What version of XenServer?
2014-03-07 17:35 <|-fInE-|> 6.1 and 6.2 both .. 
2014-03-07 17:36 <smxy> What issues did you have with the bridge?
2014-03-07 17:36 <|-fInE-|> it was slow as hell .. 
2014-03-07 17:36 <nebadon> that is surprising
2014-03-07 17:36 <nebadon> maybe a driver issue or something
2014-03-07 17:37 <nebadon> linux can be finicky with certain hardware
2014-03-07 17:37 <smxy> I'm going to give it a try, at least. If I have issues I can't resolve, I can always go back to VMware.
2014-03-07 17:37 <nebadon> whenever i order a server from Limestone i have to go through song and dance about the default raid controller they use
2014-03-07 17:37 <nebadon> doesnt work well in opensuse at all, i always have to have them swap it out
2014-03-07 17:38 <nebadon> Dell is the same way now I think about it
2014-03-07 17:38 <|-fInE-|> thats true .. proxmox had the best results for me but since the new version was out .. all the users have to pay for new updates .. and that sucks
2014-03-07 17:38 <nebadon> the default Raid controller in my dell smxy the same one you have didnt work in opensuse either
2014-03-07 17:39 <nebadon> they also had to swap it out for me
2014-03-07 17:39 <nebadon> was a bit more expensive I recall
2014-03-07 17:39 <smxy> Perc H700?
2014-03-07 17:39 <nebadon> ya thats the one i had trouble with I think
2014-03-07 17:39 <nebadon> i cant remember now let me look
2014-03-07 17:39 <nebadon> 1 sec
2014-03-07 17:40 <nebadon> no wasnt the H700
2014-03-07 17:40 <|-fInE-|> i'm using LSI Megaraid SAS 6G 9260-4i
2014-03-07 17:40 <nebadon> mine came with RAID 5 for PERC S300 Controller, 3-4HDDs
2014-03-07 17:40 <nebadon> it sucks
2014-03-07 17:41 <nebadon> they replaced it with an Adaptec I think
2014-03-07 17:42 <nebadon> no looks like it was a Perc 6i they replaced it with
2014-03-07 17:42 <smxy> Well, it'll be a fun and interesting adventure to see if I can move to XenServer, anyway. :)
2014-03-07 17:42 <nebadon> ya its a nice machine for sure
2014-03-07 17:43 <nebadon> the good thing is stuff doesnt take long on that machine
2014-03-07 17:43 <smxy> And I got two. :)
2014-03-07 17:43 <nebadon> your not sitting around waiting hours for stuff to compile or install lol
2014-03-07 17:43 <|-fInE-|> :D 
2014-03-07 17:43 <zadark> smxy, I run xen servers, PERC H700 will be fine, it is a hardware controller. The default  DELL RAID are funky software things.
2014-03-07 17:43 <smxy> Going from a Dell 2950 to a Dell R810 is a hell of a jump.
2014-03-07 17:44 <|-fInE-|> depends on how much virtual machines are running on the same time :D
2014-03-07 17:44 <nebadon> the Perc S300 too apparantly zadark
2014-03-07 17:44 <zadark> The S = software.. H hardware
2014-03-07 17:44 <nebadon> oh
2014-03-07 17:44 <zadark> http://hcl.xensource.com/BrowsableStorageControllerList.aspx?ProductName=XenServer&ProductVersion=6.2.0&ProductEdition=Retail
2014-03-07 17:45 <smxy> Excellent. Thanks Zadark.
2014-03-07 17:45 <nebadon> the best part about those servers is the iDrac
2014-03-07 17:45 <nebadon> have you ever used an iDrac smxy?
2014-03-07 17:45 <zadark> massive performance difference between soft and hard
2014-03-07 17:45 <zadark> lol
2014-03-07 17:46 <smxy> Yes. I got the enterprise version on both. 
2014-03-07 17:46 <nebadon> ya thats for sure
2014-03-07 17:46 <smxy> no nebadon
2014-03-07 17:46 <nebadon> oh its really awesome
2014-03-07 17:46 <smxy> But what I read about them tempted me to upgrade them from express,. :)
2014-03-07 17:46 <nebadon> ya they are really great
2014-03-07 17:46 <smxy> from express to enterprise
2014-03-07 17:47 <nebadon> make sure they have the latest firmware install on them before you do anything
2014-03-07 17:47 <smxy> ok
2014-03-07 17:47 <|-fInE-|> compiling the xen source on gentoo or other distributions exept centos is a nightmare .. i tried it and found much errors .. and i can't programm with the french language on e:g. XM 
2014-03-07 17:48 <smxy> I wasn't planning on compiling the XenServer code. I was going to use the binary distribution.
2014-03-07 17:48 <smxy> Of 6.2
2014-03-07 17:48 <|-fInE-|> it didn't work with ubuntu packages .. they compiled shit on there packages
2014-03-07 17:49 <nebadon> eew ubuntu
2014-03-07 17:49 <nebadon> thats blasphemy to run Xen on ubuntu
2014-03-07 17:49 <nebadon> lol
2014-03-07 17:49 <nebadon> needs a proper server OS
2014-03-07 17:49 <|-fInE-|> it was a try .. i hate centos :D
2014-03-07 17:49 <zadark> Interesting feature of xen, though never tried, is the VM's can access a GPU, not really feasible with flat pack servers, but ok with towers.
2014-03-07 17:49 <nebadon> better off using OpenSuse then
2014-03-07 17:49 <nebadon> it has Xen support
2014-03-07 17:50 <smxy> I love CentOS. :P
2014-03-07 17:50 <smxy> All my VMs run it.
2014-03-07 17:50 <nebadon> whats nice too is susestudio.com
2014-03-07 17:51 <nebadon> if you never used it its awesome, clickable link http://susestudio.com
2014-03-07 17:51 <nebadon> you can make xen images
2014-03-07 17:51 <zadark> I like to go the latest and greatest linux, which tends to exclude Centos
2014-03-07 17:52 <zadark> maybe of interest. http://venturebeat.com/2014/03/06/this-summer-you-can-learn-linux-free-online-from-harvard-mit/
2014-03-07 17:52 <ftcodes> 
ACTION prefers ArchLinux ;)

2014-03-07 17:52 <nebadon> brb must tend to laundry, blah
2014-03-07 17:53 <smxy> Go naked and you don't have to do laundry as often. :)
2014-03-07 17:53 <smxy> I love working from home. :p
2014-03-07 17:54 <|-fInE-|> smxy yepp me too :D
2014-03-07 17:54 <zadark> 
ACTION switches of perception systems

2014-03-07 17:54 <zadark> off
2014-03-07 17:56 <ftcodes> zadark you should use RLV for camera restriction. A lot simpler. ;)
2014-03-07 17:57 <smxy> lol
2014-03-07 17:57 <zadark> ftcodes: good thinking
2014-03-07 17:57 <zadark> anyone testing libopenmetaverse 0.7.0?
2014-03-07 17:57 <ftcodes> I you like to know your distribution in full detail: you have to do Linux from Scratch ;)
2014-03-07 17:58 <zadark> I use Fedora for all development systems
2014-03-07 17:58 <|-fInE-|> i did it sometimes with gentoo but its to much work .. 
2014-03-07 18:03 <smxy> That's why I stopped using FreeBSD.
2014-03-07 18:03 <smxy> Too much effort to update it.
2014-03-07 18:17 <|-fInE-|> smxy but attention on your new server .. after couple of weeks you're addicted to install new virtual machines :D
2014-03-07 18:23 <osmantis> Bug #6987:04 Very high process memory consumption from mesh attachments (and mesh in general) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6987 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-07 18:36 <Lloydi> ping
2014-03-07 18:36 <|-fInE-|> Lloydi: what are you talking about? :)
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2014-03-07 20:50 <Sked> Hello
2014-03-07 20:52 <Sked> can anyone tell me please where i can find solution file for opensim
2014-03-07 20:57 <Plugh> solution file? For what problem?
2014-03-07 20:57 <Sked> to look in somethink
2014-03-07 20:58 <Plugh> There is OpenSim.log if you want to check for error messages. Configuration is in the .ini files.
2014-03-07 20:58 <Dev_Random> Sked.  you mean to build it?  
2014-03-07 20:58 <Plugh> Oh, the .sln file. It is part of OpenSim
2014-03-07 20:58 <Sked> i want to look in how to make php code 
2014-03-07 20:59 <Sked> for register
2014-03-07 20:59 <Sked> i mean to make inventory in db
2014-03-07 20:59 <Plugh> The database structure is partially documented in the wiki pages at opensimulator.org
2014-03-07 20:59 <Sked> o i see
2014-03-07 21:01 <Plugh> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Database_Documentation
2014-03-07 21:01 <Sked> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Inventoryfolders
2014-03-07 21:01 <Sked> i find it tnx
2014-03-07 21:01 <Plugh> yw
2014-03-07 21:01 <Sked> now i just need to make pgp code for webredux
2014-03-07 21:02 <Sked> have maybe anyone any example
2014-03-07 21:05 <Sked> does parentFolderID and folderID is generated with UUID generator
2014-03-07 21:05 <Sked> or is copy anywhere from db
2014-03-07 21:21 <Sked> i get it now 
2014-03-07 21:21 <Sked> tnx
2014-03-07 21:27 <nebadon> hmm it seems like the reason my region is using so much memory is because of Warp3D possibly
2014-03-07 21:27 <nebadon> it seems like by default Warp3D is refreshing the maptile every so often
2014-03-07 21:28 <nebadon> even though it appears from OpenSimDefaults.ini that it should not be doing this
2014-03-07 21:28 <nebadon> every so often I see this on my region console 
2014-03-07 21:28 <nebadon> 16:07:21 - [WARP 3D IMAGE MODULE]: GC.Collect()
2014-03-07 21:28 <nebadon> 16:07:22 - [MAP IMAGE CONNECTOR]: map tile uploaded in 242ms
2014-03-07 21:28 <jakdaniels> justin said warp was leaking 250mb each time
2014-03-07 21:29 <nebadon> every 60 minutes
2014-03-07 21:29 <nebadon> it should not be regenerating tiles every 60 minutes
2014-03-07 21:29 <nebadon> this is a bug
2014-03-07 21:29 <nebadon> it should only do that if you set it to 60, the default should be 0 meaning never 
2014-03-07 21:29 <nebadon> only at startup something not quite right here
2014-03-07 21:29 <jakdaniels> but i guess its also linked to the size of the region
2014-03-07 21:29 <nebadon> and I can tell you in my case
2014-03-07 21:29 <nebadon> its more like 800mb every time
2014-03-07 21:30 <jakdaniels> yes true it should only run on startup if set to 0
2014-03-07 21:30 <nebadon> ya the amount leaked is porportionate to how much region content there is
2014-03-07 21:31 <jakdaniels> have you explicitly set it to 0 of left it commented out?
2014-03-07 21:31 <jakdaniels> *or
2014-03-07 21:32 <nebadon> its commented out in both OpenSim.ini and OpenSimDefaults.ini
2014-03-07 21:34 <Sked> can anyone please tell me what mean version for inventoryFolder in db
2014-03-07 21:35 <nebadon> AHA
2014-03-07 21:35 <Sked> is this fixed value or no?
2014-03-07 21:35 <nebadon> jakdaniels
2014-03-07 21:35 <nebadon> [SimianGridMaptiles]
2014-03-07 21:35 <nebadon>     Enabled = False
2014-03-07 21:35 <nebadon>     MaptileURL = "http://www.mygrid.com/Grid/"
2014-03-07 21:35 <nebadon>     RefreshTime = 3600
2014-03-07 21:35 <nebadon> it must be influencing Warp3D as well
2014-03-07 21:36 <nebadon> its the only reference I can find to 1 hour and maptiles
2014-03-07 21:36 <nebadon> its in both Defaults and OpenSim.ini
2014-03-07 21:36 <nebadon> Sked, I suspect it means for migration purposes
2014-03-07 21:36 <Sked> so i need code for it?
2014-03-07 21:36 <nebadon> whenever we change a database the version number +1
2014-03-07 21:37 <nebadon> shouldnt
2014-03-07 21:37 <jakdaniels> ? really??? Thats odd. You're not using simian though are you, although maybe its a duplicate reference to RefreshTime
2014-03-07 21:37 <Sked> o i see
2014-03-07 21:37 <nebadon> no I am not jakdaniels, but its the only reference to 1 hour and maptiles
2014-03-07 21:37 <nebadon> I think anyway Sked
2014-03-07 21:37 <nebadon> actually I might be confused
2014-03-07 21:37 <nebadon> it might also be the marker for the viewer to know when to refresh
2014-03-07 21:38 <nebadon> anytime the number is +1 from what is cached it will refresh that folder
2014-03-07 21:38 <nebadon> let me look closer
2014-03-07 21:38 <jakdaniels> No, try setting MaptileRefresh = 0 in [Map] section of Opensim.ini
2014-03-07 21:39 <jakdaniels> perhaps warp3d accidentally defaults it to 3600 now?
2014-03-07 21:39 <nebadon> possible let me give it a shot
2014-03-07 21:39 <nebadon> Sked yes sorry my first explanation was wrong, the version you are talking about is so the viewer knows when to refresh a folder
2014-03-07 21:39 <nebadon> if the version matches what is cached the viewer will not download that folder again
2014-03-07 21:40 <Sked> so i can make fixed number in
2014-03-07 21:40 <nebadon> yes start it at 1
2014-03-07 21:40 <nebadon> for new folders
2014-03-07 21:40 <Sked> OK tnx
2014-03-07 21:41 <nebadon> i still think the Simian setting is influencing Warp3D some how
2014-03-07 21:42 <nebadon> it cant be coincidence that is set to 3600 seconds and my simulator is generating new tiles every 3600 seconds
2014-03-07 21:42 <nebadon> that can not be coincidence
2014-03-07 21:42 <nebadon> Simian still uses Warp3D it uses whatever your tiler is
2014-03-07 21:42 <jakdaniels> it could be... the code was updated recently for varregions not long after RA did work on warp3d and the grid maptile uploader
2014-03-07 21:43 <nebadon> im going to try it with [Map] setting first
2014-03-07 21:43 <nebadon> if that doesnt work I will try the [SimianGridaptiles] setting
2014-03-07 21:43 <nebadon> i suspect just [Map] may not be enough since the Simian setting would override it since its read later in the ini
2014-03-07 21:44 <jakdaniels> but its actually a different parameter name i think?
2014-03-07 21:44 <nebadon> though interestingly they have different variable
2014-03-07 21:44 <nebadon> ya
2014-03-07 21:44 <nebadon> otherwise I can not find any other references to 3600 in the code
2014-03-07 21:45 <nebadon> not that touch map anyway
2014-03-07 21:45 <jakdaniels> well i have switched off warp3d for now until its more stable again and am using MaptileStaticFile in Regions.ini
2014-03-07 21:45 <smxy> change it to another number and see if the behavior changes.
2014-03-07 21:45 <nebadon> that is what I am doing smxy
2014-03-07 21:46 <nebadon> but since there are 2 different variables I am trying the [Map] which logigally should be what works first
2014-03-07 21:46 <nebadon> though I am far from convinced this will have any effect
2014-03-07 21:46 <nebadon> next I'll try other variable that should be unrelated
2014-03-07 21:46 <jakdaniels> your Simian section says Enabled = false anyway so it shouldn't be doing anything
2014-03-07 21:46 <nebadon> right but i supect its still picking up the timer variable
2014-03-07 21:47 <smxy> 2013/02/25, Justin moved the map related settings from [Startup] to [Map]
2014-03-07 21:47 <nebadon> since all that disables is simian
2014-03-07 21:47 <nebadon> not warp3d
2014-03-07 21:47 <nebadon> ya, i bet this is when that broke and no one else noticed
2014-03-07 21:47 <nebadon> he probably merged code that shouldnt be merged or something
2014-03-07 21:47 <smxy> yes, warp3d
2014-03-07 21:47 <smxy> I'm looking at the log
2014-03-07 21:47 <nebadon> i mean he merged the Simain settings into overall map variables
2014-03-07 21:47 <nebadon> so there is 2 timers
2014-03-07 21:48 <nebadon> i bet if i set both it would generate map tiles twice
2014-03-07 21:48 <jakdaniels> but the simian service should only create a timer for warp3d if its enabled
2014-03-07 21:48 <jakdaniels> Simian service is enabled i mean
2014-03-07 21:48 <nebadon> right "should" being the key term
2014-03-07 21:48 <jakdaniels> hehe
2014-03-07 21:49 <nebadon> its going to take a bit to test this theory
2014-03-07 21:49 <nebadon> though let me do this
2014-03-07 21:49 <nebadon> i'll set [map] to zero and simain to 100seconds
2014-03-07 21:51 <smxy> It's Map, with a capital M
2014-03-07 21:52 <nebadon> ya im being lazy
2014-03-07 21:52 <nebadon> lol
2014-03-07 21:54 <jakdaniels> i don't know if this is a bug or not, but you can upload mesh terrain into OS without any physics, in ODE, you fall through it as you would expect, but in bulletsim it acts like it has physics
2014-03-07 21:55 <nebadon> ya
2014-03-07 21:55 <nebadon> I think bulletsim uses bounding box or maybe even hull if no physics is present
2014-03-07 21:55 <jakdaniels> the physics seems to follow the contours of the land very closly
2014-03-07 21:55 <jakdaniels> *closley
2014-03-07 21:56 <nebadon> then its hull
2014-03-07 21:56 <jakdaniels> dang
2014-03-07 21:56 <nebadon> you can change it to no physics in features tab
2014-03-07 21:56 <nebadon> if thats what you want
2014-03-07 21:57 <jakdaniels> actually i do want the physics.... i just noticed that i'd uploaded the mesh wrongly when i tried it on a ODE sim
2014-03-07 22:01 <Sked> does anyone have time to look at this please: http://pastebin.com/WPYvuu8x
2014-03-07 22:01 <Sked> if this is good for making inventory db for new account
2014-03-07 22:03 <jakdaniels> couldn't you put all that into a loop, where your folder names are coming from say an array?
2014-03-07 22:04 <Sked> sorry this is my best i can do
2014-03-07 22:04 <jakdaniels> s/put/fold/g
2014-03-07 22:04 <Sked> can you change this please
2014-03-07 22:04 <Sked> this will be for new webredux
2014-03-07 22:05 <jakdaniels> i don't know about what needs to be poked into the db, but you should be able to do it in one loop rather than repeat the same code over and over
2014-03-07 22:08 <Sked> i have put everythink to be needing in db but dont know how to make loop sorry
2014-03-07 22:08 <jakdaniels> have you tested that code? does it indeed put the right stuff into the db as you want?
2014-03-07 22:08 <jakdaniels> and make the right folder structures?
2014-03-07 22:09 <Sked> okey i will
2014-03-07 22:09 <smxy> What kind of programmer doesn't know how to make a loop?
2014-03-07 22:10 <Sked> i am not programmer
2014-03-07 22:10 <jakdaniels> you can optimise it into a loop later once you have the names and ids and things right
2014-03-07 22:10 <Sked> i am self learner
2014-03-07 22:10 <Sked> sorry
2014-03-07 22:11 <jakdaniels> i can see you have copy/pasted sections and changed each one for different folders
2014-03-07 22:11 <Sked> yes
2014-03-07 22:11 <Sked> each time only folderID is changed
2014-03-07 22:12 <Sked> with UUID generator
2014-03-07 22:12 <jakdaniels> and type.version too?
2014-03-07 22:12 <Sked> other thinks are fixed
2014-03-07 22:12 <Sked> yes
2014-03-07 22:12 <Sked> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Inventoryfolders
2014-03-07 22:12 <Sked> this one i use
2014-03-07 22:13 <jakdaniels> $folders=array('My Inventory'=>9,'Textures'=>0,'Sounds'=>1); //...etc for all names and types
2014-03-07 22:13 <jakdaniels> then use 
2014-03-07 22:14 <jakdaniels> foreach($folders as $folderName=>$typeVersion) { ///...etc
2014-03-07 22:15 <Sked> OK i will try
2014-03-07 22:15 <jakdaniels> only need one of those sections then
2014-03-07 22:15 <Sked> but will this work on webredux web page
2014-03-07 22:16 <smxy> Bravo for trying to learn. Can't fault that. :)
2014-03-07 22:16 <nebadon> ok well my theory is crap
2014-03-07 22:16 <nebadon> its still doing the maptile generation and neither setting appears to have any effect
2014-03-07 22:16 <jakdaniels> sorry, I have no idea about that... i'm only giving programming hints lol. I've not looked at that
2014-03-07 22:16 <nebadon> im completely bewildered
2014-03-07 22:16 <nebadon> but I can say 100% for certain
2014-03-07 22:16 <Sked> OK tnx jakdaniels
2014-03-07 22:16 <nebadon> the second time warp3d runs my memory jumps from 700mb to almost 3gb
2014-03-07 22:17 <nebadon> just in 1 run
2014-03-07 22:17 <nebadon> interestingly the intial startup one doesnt use that much memory
2014-03-07 22:17 <jakdaniels> wow. something is not being disposedof or GC'ed
2014-03-07 22:17 <nebadon> this region in question is pure insanity
2014-03-07 22:17 <nebadon> no one in their right mind would have as much stuff as I do there
2014-03-07 22:17 <nebadon> lol
2014-03-07 22:17 <nebadon> Reticulation on OSgrid
2014-03-07 22:18 <nebadon> its not so much that its a lot MB wise, but in terms of vertices its pure insanity
2014-03-07 22:18 <jakdaniels> warp is loading and rendering everything now isn't it.
2014-03-07 22:18 <nebadon> seems so
2014-03-07 22:18 <nebadon> but its not flushing when its done
2014-03-07 22:19 <nebadon> however thats not the real issue, even though it sucks, it should not be regenerating tiles once an hour
2014-03-07 22:19 <Thonneve> nebadon: I never experiance these memory leaks
2014-03-07 22:19 <nebadon> bizzaro
2014-03-07 22:19 <jakdaniels> its a 512x512 region?
2014-03-07 22:19 <nebadon> my region is 256x256
2014-03-07 22:19 <jakdaniels> oh yes sorry... the lines crossing the middle fooled me
2014-03-07 22:20 <nebadon> at Reticulation?
2014-03-07 22:20 <jakdaniels> on my map it looks like its in four quarters
2014-03-07 22:20 <nebadon> oh
2014-03-07 22:20 <nebadon> thats the terrain 
2014-03-07 22:20 <nebadon> Warp3D doesnt tile the terrain textures properly
2014-03-07 22:20 <jakdaniels> k
2014-03-07 22:21 <Thonneve> nebadon: With this memory leak you where speaking of, is it only sometimes that it leaks?
2014-03-07 22:21 <nebadon> no its everytime Warp3D is generating tiles
2014-03-07 22:21 <nebadon> which it shouldnt even be doing in the first place
2014-03-07 22:21 <nebadon> so somethings very wrong
2014-03-07 22:21 <jakdaniels> hehe nice sculptures neb
2014-03-07 22:22 <nebadon> heh ya that region is a bit crazy
2014-03-07 22:22 <Thonneve> I haven't noticed any increased memory with opensim?
2014-03-07 22:22 <Thonneve> Could it be something in your sim?
2014-03-07 22:22 <nebadon> I have several regions doing it
2014-03-07 22:22 <nebadon> they all have a lot of content
2014-03-07 22:22 <Thonneve> Any that could could save an oar and see if it happens on my system?
2014-03-07 22:22 <jakdaniels> mmm there are some phantom physics objects here like on event plaza
2014-03-07 22:22 <nebadon> and all of my regions appear to be generating tiles every 3600 seconds
2014-03-07 22:23 <Thonneve> Mine generates quite frequently, but never had any issues with memory
2014-03-07 22:23 <jakdaniels> oops and my viewer just went bang... lol
2014-03-07 22:23 <nebadon> type "force gc" and see if your memory goes down
2014-03-07 22:23 <nebadon> it might be the mesh
2014-03-07 22:23 <nebadon> I think i have Render mesh enabled
2014-03-07 22:24 <nebadon> maybe thats whats sucking up all the memory
2014-03-07 22:24 <nebadon> ya I do
2014-03-07 22:24 <nebadon> i bet that might be why its sucking up so much memory
2014-03-07 22:24 <nebadon> RenderMeshes = true;
2014-03-07 22:24 <smxy> is that a new Warp3D setting?
2014-03-07 22:24 <nebadon> yea
2014-03-07 22:24 <jakdaniels> yes it is
2014-03-07 22:24 <nebadon> still though
2014-03-07 22:24 <nebadon> that doesnt explain why the timer is running
2014-03-07 22:24 <nebadon> it only explains the leak maybe
2014-03-07 22:24 <nebadon> if the timer wasnt running it wouldnt be leaking
2014-03-07 22:25 <smxy> ooh, try turning it off. But that doesn't explain why it's running it every 3600
2014-03-07 22:25 <jakdaniels> if you switch back to mapimagemodule instead of warp3d does that stop the timer
2014-03-07 22:25 <nebadon> hmm good question I can test
2014-03-07 22:26 <smxy> MapTileRefresh defaults to 0 in OpenSimDefaults. 
2014-03-07 22:27 <nebadon> yes but its also commented out
2014-03-07 22:27 <nebadon> uncommenting it though makes no difference
2014-03-07 22:27 <smxy> The commented out value is supposed to BE the default, I thought.
2014-03-07 22:28 <smxy> I'm not setting it myself. I wonder if mine is running periodically.
2014-03-07 22:28 <Thonneve> nebadon: How do I create a patch file from my last commit?
2014-03-07 22:29 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Git#Creating_a_Patch
2014-03-07 22:29 <nebadon> jeez
2014-03-07 22:30 <nebadon> switching map modules now my region uses 380mb on startup
2014-03-07 22:30 <nebadon> ya Warp3D kind of blows
2014-03-07 22:30 <nebadon> lol
2014-03-07 22:30 <nebadon> needs some love
2014-03-07 22:30 <jakdaniels> hehe just take a picture and use MaptileStaticUUID ;-)
2014-03-07 22:31 <Thonneve> nebadon: It doesn't seem to be saving the patch, which is kind of strange
2014-03-07 22:32 <nebadon> you in the root folder?
2014-03-07 22:32 <jakdaniels> what happens if you just type 'git diff' ?
2014-03-07 22:33 <Thonneve> Oh I got it
2014-03-07 22:33 <Thonneve> I did git format-patch -1 <hash>
2014-03-07 22:34 <Thonneve> Did any of the devs mention whether a osEditNotecard function would be allowed?
2014-03-07 22:36 <Thonneve> I should probably test my change actually...
2014-03-07 22:37 <Thonneve> It should work, it uses the same saving function, just modified to include saving to an already existant UUID
2014-03-07 22:37 <osmantis> Bug #7048:04 Add Varregion support to osGetRegionSize OSSL function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7048 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-07 22:37 <Thonneve> I imagine it would be fine with a severe rating and a big warning message saying "THIS COULD POTENTIALLY OVERWRITE ANYTHING IF WRITTEN MALICIOUSLY
2014-03-07 22:38 <osmantis> Bug #7048:04 [PATCH] Add Varregion support to osGetRegionSize OSSL function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7048 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-03-07 22:39 <Dev_Random> It's a slow day at work jakdaniels.....  that's for you
2014-03-07 22:42 <Thonneve> Dev_Random: Could you tell me if this looks like it would work: http://sprunge.us/jYNW
2014-03-07 22:44 <Dev_Random> Thonneve: I don't really know enough about the innards to say.  I'm still figuring things out  by trial and error.
2014-03-07 22:45 <Thonneve> Oh right
2014-03-07 22:45 <Thonneve> From what I can understand it should work, but I can't be sure
2014-03-07 22:45 <Thonneve> And don't want to test it on my region since it's connected to osgrid
2014-03-07 22:45 <Dev_Random> I'd be concerned about cached items though, if you're updating DB and not changing UUID.
2014-03-07 22:46 <Thonneve> I don't haves caches enabled
2014-03-07 22:46 <Dev_Random> heh.... but will the next guy who uses it?
2014-03-07 22:46 <Thonneve> nebadon: Could you test the patch on your test setups please?
2014-03-07 22:47 <nebadon> sure
2014-03-07 22:47 <nebadon> let me look
2014-03-07 22:47 <Thonneve> Cheers
2014-03-07 22:47 <Thonneve> I don't wanna accidently osgrid so i can't test it
2014-03-07 22:48 <Thonneve> I may have missed something...
2014-03-07 22:49 <Thonneve> Yeah I missed the references to it
2014-03-07 22:50 <Thonneve> Another patchfile incoming with the rest of the changes needed to have the function working
2014-03-07 22:51 <Thonneve> It can edit the name aswell, not sure if that's of any use
2014-03-07 22:55 <nebadon> works
2014-03-07 22:55 <nebadon> i'll commit it
2014-03-07 22:57 <Thonneve> It edits the notecard? Wow I'm good :P
2014-03-07 22:58 <Thonneve> Definatley didn't expect it to work
2014-03-07 22:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #3342 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-07 22:58 <nebadon> wait what Thonneve? notecard?
2014-03-07 22:59 <Dev_Random> lol
2014-03-07 22:59 <Thonneve> Oh
2014-03-07 22:59 <Thonneve> Wrong thing haha
2014-03-07 22:59 <Thonneve> I meant my one haha
2014-03-07 22:59 <nebadon> oh I thought it was that patch above I didnt even look at who made it lol
2014-03-07 22:59 <nebadon> hmm I dont have any easy way to test that
2014-03-07 23:00 <nebadon> what is your mantis again?
2014-03-07 23:00 <Thonneve> Create a notecard, grab the UUID and then use osEditNotecard
2014-03-07 23:00 <Thonneve> I didn't create a mantis
2014-03-07 23:00 <Thonneve> Mostly because I derped with writing the whole thing
2014-03-07 23:00 <nebadon> so how do I test it I am confused
2014-03-07 23:00 <nebadon> you can not overwrite assets
2014-03-07 23:00 <nebadon> its a very bad idea
2014-03-07 23:01 <dahlia> 
ACTION threatens nebadon with the wrath of melanie_ for committing untested code :P

2014-03-07 23:01 <nebadon> no i tested the code above
2014-03-07 23:01 <nebadon> the last patch
2014-03-07 23:01 <nebadon> works good
2014-03-07 23:01 <dahlia> oh nevermind :)
2014-03-07 23:01 <Thonneve> nebadon: Surely in capable hands it should be fine?
2014-03-07 23:02 <nebadon> Thonneve, the problem is cache
2014-03-07 23:02 <nebadon> just updating the asset isnt enough
2014-03-07 23:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3342: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3342/
2014-03-07 23:02 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: Add Varregion support to osGetRegionSize OSSL function
2014-03-07 23:02 <nebadon> viewers will have old one cached, so may other regions
2014-03-07 23:02 <nebadon> your asking for major problems touching that stuff
2014-03-07 23:02 <nebadon> its a bad idea
2014-03-07 23:03 <nebadon> I personally would use some kind of HTTP thing to a php
2014-03-07 23:03 <nebadon> store settings in flat files or into a mysql database
2014-03-07 23:03 <nebadon> if your looking for a way to push and pull settings
2014-03-07 23:04 <Thonneve> Hmmm
2014-03-07 23:04 <Thonneve> Is there mysql scripting capabilities in opensim?
2014-03-07 23:04 <nebadon> through HTTP>PHP>MYSQL yes
2014-03-07 23:04 <nebadon> but no direct way to manipulate mysql, that is danger zone too
2014-03-07 23:04 <Thonneve> can viewers grab data sent from scripts?
2014-03-07 23:04 <nebadon> you could write a module though
2014-03-07 23:04 <nebadon> no
2014-03-07 23:04 <nebadon> well what do you mean?
2014-03-07 23:05 <nebadon> do you mean the script source?
2014-03-07 23:05 <Thonneve> Can they get the URL where the data was sent or anything like that?
2014-03-07 23:05 <nebadon> oh well a skilled person could
2014-03-07 23:05 <nebadon> you could obfuscate stuff though
2014-03-07 23:06 <nebadon> just need smart php, or use a firewall to only allow requests from the region
2014-03-07 23:06 <nebadon> so no one can inject their own streams
2014-03-07 23:06 <dahlia> in general script data is all server side
2014-03-07 23:06 <Thonneve> See the thing is I suck with php
2014-03-07 23:07 <nebadon> it doesnt have to be php
2014-03-07 23:07 <nebadon> could be any web facing http server
2014-03-07 23:08 <Thonneve> Hmmm
2014-03-07 23:08 <nebadon> really it doesnt need to be web facing, just needs to be reachable from the simulator
2014-03-07 23:08 <dahlia> if a script talks with a web server, viewers probably wouldnt see it unless the script makes it available to them somehow
2014-03-07 23:08 <nebadon> ya i wasnt sure if you could see any of that with wingridproxy
2014-03-07 23:09 <dahlia> no
2014-03-07 23:09 <nebadon> ok that is good to know
2014-03-07 23:09 <dahlia> but... nothing is perfect in a hackable world :)
2014-03-07 23:09 <nebadon> ya
2014-03-07 23:09 <nebadon> however a good set of firewall rules would keep you very safe
2014-03-07 23:10 <Thonneve> The big issue is I want a form of non-volitile storage
2014-03-07 23:10 <Thonneve> I'm just not 100% sure how I'd go about doing it myself
2014-03-07 23:10 <nebadon> google!
2014-03-07 23:10 <nebadon> lol thats how i figure out like 90% of stuff im doing with php
2014-03-07 23:10 <nebadon> just look at examples and figure it out
2014-03-07 23:10 <Thonneve> I did google a bit, but I figured I could keep it all within opensim
2014-03-07 23:11 <nebadon> you could with a region module
2014-03-07 23:11 <nebadon> if your handy with C# and understand how region modules work
2014-03-07 23:11 <melanie_> Thonneve: you should not eveb attempt to edit notecards
2014-03-07 23:11 <nebadon> overwriting assets would have many bad side effects
2014-03-07 23:11 <melanie_> assets are immutable by definition
2014-03-07 23:11 <Thonneve> immutable?
2014-03-07 23:11 <melanie_> everything depends on it
2014-03-07 23:12 <melanie_> yes
2014-03-07 23:12 <melanie_> an asset, once created, cannot be changed
2014-03-07 23:12 <Thonneve> What's that in less technical terms?
2014-03-07 23:12 <melanie_> ever
2014-03-07 23:12 <Thonneve> Oh right
2014-03-07 23:12 <nebadon> it means dont ever change an asset once its created
2014-03-07 23:12 <melanie_> so "editing" notecards programmatically means creating an unending stream of new assets
2014-03-07 23:12 <melanie_> each representing one edit
2014-03-07 23:13 <Thonneve> Could it be feasable to rename a notecard then?
2014-03-07 23:13 <melanie_> eventually, if you could do it in a program, you'd have millions of dead text assets
2014-03-07 23:13 <melanie_> osEditNotecard exists because for some people, that was acceptable
2014-03-07 23:13 <melanie_> the NPC stuff also creates notecards
2014-03-07 23:13 <melanie_> but that way be dragons
2014-03-07 23:14 <Thonneve> It doesn't exist, I just made a really bad hackjob at attempting to do it
2014-03-07 23:14 <melanie_> there is some functin
2014-03-07 23:14 <melanie_> osWriteNotecard maybe
2014-03-07 23:14 <melanie_> i know a function exists
2014-03-07 23:14 <Plugh> I've always thought that there must be loads of dead scripts and NC's if they are stored in asset tables. Each time you modify a script or NC a new asset would be created.
2014-03-07 23:15 <Thonneve> I can't find neither osEditNotecard or osWriteNotecard in the current git
2014-03-07 23:15 <melanie_> Plugh: that is correct
2014-03-07 23:15 <Plugh> melanie_: seems a bit of a waste.
2014-03-07 23:15 <nebadon>  Notecards
2014-03-07 23:15 <nebadon>     osMakeNotecard
2014-03-07 23:15 <nebadon>     osGetNotecard
2014-03-07 23:15 <nebadon>     osGetNotecardLine
2014-03-07 23:15 <nebadon>     osGetNumberOfNotecardLines 
2014-03-07 23:15 <Plugh> Its one of those issues that doesn't really have an easy solution where scripts and NC's are concerned
2014-03-07 23:16 <Thonneve> melanie_: Well how feasable would it be to simply edit the name of a notecard? I could work with appending to a new notecard, delete the old one and renaming it to the old ones name
2014-03-07 23:16 <nebadon> timestamp the name
2014-03-07 23:16 <nebadon> everytime you write
2014-03-07 23:16 <melanie_> is the amount of data you have to too large to be held in a script?
2014-03-07 23:16 <melanie_> if so, you need to look into using an external database
2014-03-07 23:16 <nebadon> thats what I am saying
2014-03-07 23:17 <melanie_> it is not recommended to abuse the sim to store lots of data
2014-03-07 23:17 <nebadon> makes so much more sense to do it via HTTP <> Database
2014-03-07 23:17 <nebadon> or a region module
2014-03-07 23:17 <Thonneve> I'll have a look at an external database then
2014-03-07 23:17 <nebadon> region module would likely be light years faster
2014-03-07 23:17 <dahlia> I think a mutable notecard would be a cool thing, but it would need a different asset type to differentiate it from normal notecards
2014-03-07 23:18 <Thonneve> Does opensim have second lifes stupid http limitations? Like once every 30 seconds or so?
2014-03-07 23:18 <nebadon> wouldnt mutable assets be prone to being erased by anyone?
2014-03-07 23:18 <dahlia> nebadon: not if it had some permission system
2014-03-07 23:18 <nebadon> ya
2014-03-07 23:19 <melanie_> even sl allows 10 http requests within 10 seconds or so...
2014-03-07 23:19 <Thonneve> I thought there where quite bad limitations in SL for the http-in stuff?
2014-03-07 23:19 <nebadon> oh sorry I was answering dahlia
2014-03-07 23:19 <melanie_> no
2014-03-07 23:20 <melanie_> http-out has some limits
2014-03-07 23:20 <melanie_> the http-in limits are actually quite generous
2014-03-07 23:20 <Thonneve> What kind of limits?
2014-03-07 23:20 <dahlia> not sure about http,but I think SL does limit email
2014-03-07 23:20 <Thonneve> for http-out that is
2014-03-07 23:20 <Thonneve> dahlia: I wouldn't be supprised if I'm thinking about email to be completely honest
2014-03-07 23:20 <nebadon> brb laundry
2014-03-07 23:20 <SignpostMarv> had no joy with cygwin last night, btw
2014-03-07 23:21 <Thonneve> SignpostMarv: What are you trying to get to run again?
2014-03-07 23:21 <SignpostMarv> trying to build zopflipng
2014-03-07 23:21 <dahlia> <3 cygwin but it does have it's flaws
2014-03-07 23:21 <Thonneve> SignpostMarv: What does zopflipng do?
2014-03-07 23:21 <SignpostMarv> dahlia: I can get neither cygwin nor mingw32 to build zopflipng
2014-03-07 23:21 <SignpostMarv> I can build zopfli fine though.
2014-03-07 23:21 <dahlia> no clue what zopflipwtf is
2014-03-07 23:22 <SignpostMarv> zopfli = google's anal-retentive gzip encoder
2014-03-07 23:22 <SignpostMarv> zopflipng = google's anal-retentive png recompressor
2014-03-07 23:22 <|-fInE-|> SignpostMarv: whats the error message ?
2014-03-07 23:22 <SignpostMarv> |-fInE-| : lemme pull it up to refresh my memory
2014-03-07 23:23 <SignpostMarv> for those so inclined to snoop: https://code.google.com/p/zopfli/
2014-03-07 23:23 <dahlia> mingw32 is gcc but sometimes windows apis are a bit different
2014-03-07 23:25 <SignpostMarv> result of `make zopflipng` : http://pastebin.ca/2652832
2014-03-07 23:25 <SignpostMarv> ^with mingw32
2014-03-07 23:26 <SignpostMarv> and with cygwin: http://pastebin.ca/2652833
2014-03-07 23:27 <|-fInE-|> this is the error log with mingw right ?
2014-03-07 23:27 <jakdaniels> looks like it can't find some libraries
2014-03-07 23:27 <SignpostMarv> first with mingw32, latter with cygwin
2014-03-07 23:27 <dahlia> SignpostMarv: try googling "undefined reference to `___mingw_vfprintf'"
2014-03-07 23:27 <jakdaniels> to link to
2014-03-07 23:31 <SignpostMarv> 
ACTION tinkers

2014-03-07 23:32 <jakdaniels> are you trying to compile it 64bit but using some 32bit windows libraries?
2014-03-07 23:32 <SignpostMarv> I has no idea :P
2014-03-07 23:32 <SignpostMarv> I'm just running make zopflipng
2014-03-07 23:32 <SignpostMarv> I'm finding it odd due to make zopfli running fine
2014-03-07 23:35 <SignpostMarv> looks like I just missed something when I ran mingw-get the other day :)
2014-03-07 23:37 <SignpostMarv> 
ACTION pulls down the test image he used in an optipng vidtut

2014-03-07 23:39 <nebadon> back
2014-03-07 23:41 <SignpostMarv> running zopflipng --iterations=1024 --splitting=3 --filters=01234mepb on http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/File:WOOLYBEAR_INTERSECTION.png
2014-03-07 23:44 <osmantis> Bug #7048:04 [PATCH] Add Varregion support to osGetRegionSize OSSL function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7048 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-07 23:44 <nebadon> i updated the wiki for osGetRegionSize to reflect var support
2014-03-07 23:44 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsGetRegionSize
2014-03-08 00:18 <SignpostMarv> zopflipng is still running, btw :P
2014-03-08 00:20 <jakdaniels> seems like a very large hammer just to save a few tens of Kb on a png, or am I missing the point? ;-)
2014-03-08 00:21 <SignpostMarv> jakdaniels: nope, I just want to see what the hammer can do.
2014-03-08 00:22 <SignpostMarv> optipng squished a 392kb png down to 357kb
2014-03-08 00:22 <SignpostMarv> for giggles, I going to see what zopflipng does to both
2014-03-08 00:22 <Dev_Random> Thonneve, what kind of data volumes are you looking to persist?  Allen Karensky's 'Myriad' scripts use an interesting prim-based DB scheme.
2014-03-08 00:27 <Thonneve> Dev_Random: I'm not entirely sure at the moment, I just know that i'll need it eventually
2014-03-08 00:29 <Dev_Random> Take a look at what he's done in myriad.  Pretty sure it's available at his Windrock Station region.
2014-03-08 00:32 <Thonneve> Is this a osgrid region?
2014-03-08 00:32 <Dev_Random> yes.
2014-03-08 00:32 <|-fInE-|> hmm they wrote me that the new myriad version comes with a module .. i'm waiting since september 2013 .. 
2014-03-08 00:33 <Thonneve> Dev_Random: Any idea where I would find this?
2014-03-08 00:34 <Dev_Random> It WAS just laying around and you could take a copy.  Maybe he cleaned up
2014-03-08 00:34 <Thonneve> Oh I see it
2014-03-08 00:34 <SignpostMarv> zopflipng done
2014-03-08 00:34 <SignpostMarv> 357kb > 317kb
2014-03-08 00:37 <SignpostMarv> re-running on original image for giggles
2014-03-08 00:38 <Plugh> Is any work being done on fitted meshes for OpenSim?
2014-03-08 00:41 <Dev_Random> Thonneve:  He also wrote up a description ...more straightforward than digging through his code:  http://allenkerensky.com/prim_persistent_memory_array
2014-03-08 00:45 <Thonneve> Dev_Random: I'll check it out, but for now I need to reboot, something is stuck and taking up a load of resources on the CPU
2014-03-08 01:43 <osmantis> Bug #7049:04 llSetTextureAnim causes wrong positions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7049 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-08 02:05 <osmantis> Bug #7049:04 llSetTextureAnim causes wrong positions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7049 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-08 02:11 <osmantis> Bug #7050:04 Region crossing while sitting on a prim causes region crash, when returning to original origin region only 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7050 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-08 02:18 <osmantis> Bug #7050:04 Region crossing while sitting on a prim causes region crash, when returning to original origin region only 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7050 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-03-08 04:23 <osmantis> Bug #7050:04 Region crossing while sitting on a prim causes region crash, when returning to original origin region only 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7050 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-08 05:21 <dahlia> Plugh: as far as I know, fitted meshes only requires viewer side modifications
2014-03-08 06:52 <Plugh> dahlia: ah, ok. So the V3 based viewers should pick that up before long once the main SL viewer source includes support for fitted meshes
2014-03-08 06:56 <dahlia> Plugh: I think Singu has it already, not sure about others
2014-03-08 06:56 <Plugh> ok. I'm not using Sing much any more and I don't have any mesh clothing so I can't test it anyway. 
2014-03-08 20:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #3343 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-08 20:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3343: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3343/
2014-03-08 20:55 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: set RefreshTime = 0 in [MapImageService] in Grid.ini and GridHypergrid.ini to eliminate memory leaking for Warp3D map tiler, these variables should be erased needs more discussion!
2014-03-08 21:02 <jakdaniels> nebadon : would it make more sense to remove those references in GridHypergrid.ini and Grid.ini and make sure there are sections for them in GridCommon.ini?
2014-03-08 21:04 <nebadon> no these variables should only be in OpenSim.ini
2014-03-08 21:04 <nebadon> I want to see what other devs thing before i go removing stuff completely
2014-03-08 21:04 <nebadon> these variables are really not grid related
2014-03-08 21:05 <nebadon> they are simulator settings and belong in OpenSim.ini
2014-03-08 21:05 <nebadon> these variables apply to grid or standalone
2014-03-08 21:06 <nebadon> and they are very redundant, I can not imagine why anyone added these into the static grid settings
2014-03-08 21:06 <nebadon> you know i better check standalone too
2014-03-08 21:06 <nebadon> i bet its set in there as well
2014-03-08 21:06 <jakdaniels> so maybe yes, they don't belong in any Grid*.ini files
2014-03-08 21:06 <nebadon> damn it it is
2014-03-08 21:07 <smxy> Might want to look at git blame. :)
2014-03-08 21:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #3344 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-08 21:10 <smxy> You could have just overridden it in GridCommon.ini in your grid, too.
2014-03-08 21:11 <smxy> That's where you override what's in Grid.ini or GridHypergrid.ini
2014-03-08 21:11 <smxy> Similar for standalone
2014-03-08 21:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3344: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3344/
2014-03-08 21:11 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: set RefreshTime = 0 in [MapImageService] in Standalone.ini and StandaloneHypergrid.ini to eliminate memory leaking for Warp3D map tiler, these variables should be erased needs more discussion!
2014-03-08 21:11 <nebadon> it was diva!
2014-03-08 21:11 <nebadon> I think
2014-03-08 21:12 <nebadon> smxy we could have but that would have also been bad design
2014-03-08 21:12 <nebadon> these are not grid settings
2014-03-08 21:12 <nebadon> they are simulator settings
2014-03-08 21:12 <smxy> I agree, just saying.
2014-03-08 21:14 <nebadon> so glad we figured this out
2014-03-08 21:14 <nebadon> my sim has completely stopped leaking memory nw
2014-03-08 21:14 <nebadon> its still around 400mb
2014-03-08 21:14 <nebadon> much better than near 3gb
2014-03-08 21:14 <nebadon> my server actually crashed at one point because of this
2014-03-08 21:15 <nebadon> not the simulator, linux completely barfed and froze
2014-03-08 21:15 <smxy> eep
2014-03-08 21:15 <nebadon> ya well when you run out of ram and swap
2014-03-08 21:15 <nebadon> its eventually going to happen
2014-03-08 21:16 <smxy> yup
2014-03-08 21:25 <Sked> does anyone have time for private talk please
2014-03-08 21:27 <diva> what did I do?
2014-03-08 21:27 <nebadon> hey diva
2014-03-08 21:27 <nebadon> the map tile refresh timer in Grid.ini etc..
2014-03-08 21:28 <diva> what?
2014-03-08 21:28 <nebadon> maybe you were just last person to touch it or something, but git blame said you
2014-03-08 21:29 <diva> me what?
2014-03-08 21:29 <nebadon> that you added those lines I think
2014-03-08 21:29 <nebadon> i closed it now
2014-03-08 21:29 <nebadon> maybe I was reading it wrong
2014-03-08 21:30 <nebadon> anyway I changed it from 60 to 0, these variables in Grid.ini etc.. are redundant and they override anything you set in OpenSim.ini which is where these should be set 
2014-03-08 21:30 <nebadon> I think they should just be removed, but I didnt want to get that drastic yet
2014-03-08 21:31 <nebadon> the problem with it is it makes Warp3D tiler, which is the default, leak memory
2014-03-08 21:32 <nebadon> and technically the OpenSimDefaults.ini specifies the default should be 0
2014-03-08 21:33 <jakdaniels> warp3d leaking memory is a different problem though to the timer settings in .ini files. Spotting the memory leak has just highlighted the .ini confusion over refresh timings
2014-03-08 21:34 <nebadon> ya
2014-03-08 21:35 <nebadon> hmm you know what
2014-03-08 21:35 <nebadon> these definitely need to be removed, because setting it to 0 will override anything set in OpenSim.ini
2014-03-08 21:36 <jakdaniels> yes, that what I thought earlier. hehe you've clamped it hard to deck in all the offending ini files now ;-)
2014-03-08 21:36 <nebadon> ya ok let me just remove it then, duh
2014-03-08 21:37 <smxy> Remove them locally, and make sure nothing breaks or changes, before you commit it. :)
2014-03-08 21:38 <Arielle_> good catch. Should stop the blaming of Bullet for the memory usage
2014-03-08 21:38 <Sked> where can i find kcozens
2014-03-08 21:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #3345 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-08 21:42 <smxy> Time to update. :)
2014-03-08 21:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3345: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3345/
2014-03-08 21:43 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: remove RefreshTime = 0 from [MapImageService] in Standalone.ini, StandaloneHypergrid.ini, Grid.ini, GridHypergrid.ini they were redundant and would not allow variables in OpenSim.ini to be set to anything.
2014-03-08 22:29 <Plugh> diva: I've had a look at the basic search module source and the ini file. I had previously thought that it was an either/or situation. EIther you used basic search or you used the add on search.
2014-03-08 22:31 <Plugh> diva: What I see is that people and groups search are now handled by basic search regardless of the existence of any add on search module. I will need to remove the code for people and groups search from ossearch.
2014-03-08 22:34 <smxy> That will stop the duplicate results. Yay. :)
2014-03-08 22:38 <Plugh> Apparently so. :)
2014-03-08 22:39 <Plugh> I don't see the duplicate results so I need to double check my configuration first before testing changes that remove search features out of ossearch.
2014-03-08 22:45 <diva> yes
2014-03-08 22:45 <diva> unless your ossearch people search does something special that the basic people search doesn't do, the easiest is to remove it from ossearch and let ir be handled by the basic search module in core
2014-03-08 22:46 <Plugh> I don't know exactly what the basic search does compared to the one in ossearch. If the one in ossearch is doing something different then I will need a way to disabled the people search of basic search.
2014-03-08 22:46 <smxy> 
ACTION yearns for the day that all search is internal and doesn't require an external webserver.

2014-03-08 22:47 <Plugh> smxy: I'd like that for search, profile, and groups.
2014-03-08 22:47 <smxy> profile and groups already is.
2014-03-08 22:47 <Plugh> but are they 100% functionally equivalent to the web based add on versions?
2014-03-08 22:47 <smxy> I don't know. If they aren't, someone should make them so.
2014-03-08 22:47 <Plugh> or enhanced over the add on versions.
2014-03-08 22:48 <smxy> But they are, at the very least, a good place to start.
2014-03-08 22:48 <Plugh> yea, that doubt is why I haven't been using the core versions yet.
2014-03-08 22:50 <smxy> Unless you try them, you'll never know, eh?
2014-03-08 22:50 <Plugh> Dang. I wanted to keep going on the doc I'm writing but I need to break off to start getting dinner ready.
2014-03-08 22:50 <Plugh> smxy: I'll get there eventually. I have other projects to do first.
2014-03-08 22:51 <Plugh> bbl
2014-03-08 22:52 <smxy> They've only been around for like a year or more ...
2014-03-08 22:54 <Plugh> and your point is... ?  ;)
2014-03-08 22:54 <smxy> You move at a snail's pace. :)
2014-03-08 23:12 <Plugh> Different priorities. What I am using works for me but I am now trying to help a couple of other people each with their own grid. One of them ran in to the duplicate search results.
2014-03-08 23:23 <smxy> I told you about the duplicate results and it was discussed here, back when core search was added. :)
2014-03-08 23:24 <Plugh> smxy: I don't remember that. 
2014-03-08 23:24 <smxy> Obviously. :)
2014-03-08 23:25 <Plugh> Did you file a bug report? :)
2014-03-08 23:25 <smxy> Nope. Not particularly a bug. There are two modules, each producing results.
2014-03-08 23:26 <smxy> They each are doing what they should, but yours is just oblivious to the internal one. It could be made more 'aware'.
2014-03-08 23:27 <smxy> But yours came from when there was no core search, so it makes sense it's oblivious to it.
2014-03-08 23:31 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-03-08 23:33 <Plugh> ah, ok. I see duplicate results for people search in my standalone.
2014-03-08 23:33 <Plugh> Good. Duplicate results for groups.
2014-03-08 23:41 <Plugh> ok, no duplicates. Next step is remove the obsolete code from the PHP file. I'll do that after I get back from dinner.
2014-03-09 00:23 <Plugh> diva: One issue I see about groups search is that the viewer appears to be stuck saying "Searching..." when you switch to the groups search tab.
2014-03-09 00:24 <smxy> Playing devil's advocate here ... maybe you want to fork it and make a stripped down version for use on newer grids that have core search in them, yet keep the current version for use by older grids that don't have core search. Or you could just strip it out and entice people to update their grid's code. :)
2014-03-09 00:24 <Plugh> It is there before you do a search but it goes away if there is a successful search.
2014-03-09 00:25 <Plugh> 
ACTION smacks smxy for the suggestion ;)

2014-03-09 00:25 <diva> search groups works
2014-03-09 00:26 <diva> if it doesn't work for you it's because you don't hav ethe basic search module enabled, likely
2014-03-09 00:27 <Plugh> If I didn't have basic search enabled I wouldn't have seen any results for people search.
2014-03-09 00:27 <Plugh> I do get groups results when I do a groups search.
2014-03-09 00:28 <diva> I don't understand your problem then
2014-03-09 00:29 <Plugh> The problem is that no message is being sent to the viewer if groups search didn't find any results.
2014-03-09 00:30 <Plugh> The viewer will be stuck saying "Searching..." where it should display no search results message.
2014-03-09 00:31 <diva> not for me
2014-03-09 00:31 <Plugh> I figured you were going to say that.
2014-03-09 00:32 <Plugh> What viewer are you using?
2014-03-09 00:33 <jakdaniels> for a long time profile/search/group on osgrid have been handled by various 'external' modules talking to various external (apache/php) grid webservices. Would be nice to have it all eventually'built in'. 2penny_worth/takeNoNotice
2014-03-09 00:33 <diva> Singularity
2014-03-09 00:34 <Plugh> diva: Open search dialog box and select groups tab. Results area will say "No results". Enter some random text it couldn't possibly find and hit search button. Results area will say "Searching...".
2014-03-09 00:34 <diva> http://imagebin.org/298006
2014-03-09 00:36 <Plugh> Must be a bug in Kokua viewer.
2014-03-09 00:47 <Plugh> smxy: I don't want to maintain multiple versions. It isn't like there was an os version change before the core search was added. What I'll do is create a tag before removing people and groups query from ossearch.
2014-03-09 01:02 <smxy> That works. :)
2014-03-09 01:35 <Nickyp> Plugh: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7833186/SearchGroupsSecondlifeBetaGrid.JPG Appears to work using Secondlife search.
2014-03-09 01:41 <Plugh> But what does it do when you search for something that it can't possibly find?
2014-03-09 01:42 <Nickyp> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7833186/SearchGroupsNotFoundSecondlifeBetaGrid.JPG
2014-03-09 01:45 <Plugh> that's the same image
2014-03-09 01:46 <Nickyp> not for me
2014-03-09 01:46 <Plugh> It shows actual search results. 
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2014-03-09 01:47 <Plugh> Which version of Kokua are you using?
2014-03-09 01:47 <Nickyp> it is looking for group ggggg and not found
2014-03-09 01:48 <Nickyp> test version fro nightly just a sec and post the link
2014-03-09 01:48 <Nickyp> which platform
2014-03-09 01:49 <Nickyp> https://sourceforge.net/projects/kokua.team-purple.p/files/Nightly/   the one from the top of the list
2014-03-09 01:50 <Nickyp> I was on windows
2014-03-09 01:51 <Plugh> I'm running nightly build Kokua 3.7.2.31948 under 32-bit Linux.
2014-03-09 01:51 <Nickyp> on a 32 bit OS?
2014-03-09 01:53 <Nickyp> ok i see you d=said
2014-03-09 01:54 <Nickyp> I only have a VM of that OS
2014-03-09 02:06 <Nickyp> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7833186/SearchGroupsNotFoundLinux32SecondlifeBetaGrid.JPG  seems to work
2014-03-09 02:11 <Plugh> ewww. Unity desktop. :P
2014-03-09 02:11 <Plugh> hehe
2014-03-09 02:12 <Plugh> hm... the *950 release must have just come out. It wasn't there earlier today.
2014-03-09 02:15 <Plugh> nope. still not fixed.
2014-03-09 02:15 <Nickyp> it is hardly worth the time to update. there will be nightly build tonight
2014-03-09 02:17 <Nickyp> That was the comparison  if it works on sl it must be a difference between OS and SL search modules.
2014-03-09 02:17 <Plugh> You said it was ok and you were using the *950. It made sense for me to test with the same version.
2014-03-09 02:18 <Nickyp> correct
2014-03-09 02:18 <Plugh> Oh. It is working for you but you are testing it by doing searches in SL?
2014-03-09 02:18 <Nickyp> iyes
2014-03-09 02:18 <Nickyp> to check that the viewer code worked
2014-03-09 02:19 <Plugh> ok. What happens if you search in an osgrid?
2014-03-09 02:19 <Plugh> os based grid
2014-03-09 02:19 <Nickyp> ill try it next
2014-03-09 02:20 <Plugh> ok, ty
2014-03-09 02:21 <Plugh> I wonder if the problem is returning the following when there are no search results -> new DirGroupsReplyData[0]
2014-03-09 02:23 <Plugh> I remember some of the stuff I was working on in the past with the PHP and C# links the PHP code returns an array and in the array is the array of returned data.
2014-03-09 02:24 <Nickyp> ok that is the same just stays searching
2014-03-09 02:24 <Plugh> ok, right.
2014-03-09 02:25 <Plugh> I think the code isn't returning the correct data when there are no search results.
2014-03-09 02:26 <Plugh> Does the same for People search.
2014-03-09 02:26 <Plugh> Same problem across the board.
2014-03-09 02:27 <Nickyp> ok ill open an low priority issue
2014-03-09 02:27 <Plugh> ok. 
2014-03-09 02:27 <Plugh> Just one of those minor annoyances. 
2014-03-09 02:28 <Plugh> I think I had that type of problem once before. Can't remember if it was in search or profile. I did fix it in one of them.
2014-03-09 02:29 <Nickyp> It is something that could also be solved in the search server by returning the same bits as is done in SL search.
2014-03-09 02:30 <Plugh> Sure but I have something else I'm supposed to be working on right now so I don't want to start a debug session using wingridproxy
2014-03-09 02:36 <Nickyp> http://redmine.kokuaviewer.org/issues/1354
2014-03-09 02:39 <smxy> nebadon: ping
2014-03-09 02:50 <nebadon> hey
2014-03-09 02:50 <nebadon> whats up smxy
2014-03-09 02:56 <smxy> oh, there's something missing from the hg robust config that's in the non-robust one
2014-03-09 02:56 <nebadon> what?
2014-03-09 02:56 <smxy> the xbakes stuff.
2014-03-09 02:56 <smxy> someone forgot to add it to both
2014-03-09 02:57 <nebadon> hmm ya probably because melanie doesnt test HG
2014-03-09 02:57 <nebadon> let me have a look
2014-03-09 02:57 <smxy> 2 lines near the top and 4 lines near the bottom
2014-03-09 02:58 <smxy> Top:
2014-03-09 02:58 <smxy> ;; Uncomment to provide bakes caching
2014-03-09 02:58 <smxy> BakedTextureService = "8013/OpenSim.Server.Handlers.dll:XBakesConnector"
2014-03-09 02:58 <smxy> bottom:
2014-03-09 02:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #3346 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-09 02:59 <nebadon> oh there is 2 at the top?
2014-03-09 02:59 <smxy> yes
2014-03-09 02:59 <nebadon> ah ya gotcha let me get that one too
2014-03-09 02:59 <Dev_Random> and then check to see it it can rewrite a notecard
2014-03-09 02:59 <nebadon> lol
2014-03-09 03:01 <smxy> thanks :)
2014-03-09 03:01 <nebadon> no problem thanks for pointing it out
2014-03-09 03:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3346: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3346/
2014-03-09 03:02 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: add [BakedTextureService] section to Robust.HG.ini.example file same as Robust.ini.example.
2014-03-09 03:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #3347 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-09 03:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3347: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3347/
2014-03-09 03:06 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: add XBakes connector to Robust.HG.ini.example
2014-03-09 03:41 <smxy> Gee, I'm using so much less memory with that refresh killed. :p
2014-03-09 04:28 <nebadon> nice smxy
2014-03-09 05:06 <smxy> I'm still keeping the force gc in the timer script though. It certainly can't hurt.
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2014-03-09 08:19 <zadark> For regular maptile users removing RefreshTime will prevent  initial and subsequent maptiles generation. 
2014-03-09 13:04 <Taoki> Ok... actually it seems there was a problem with the internal IP address, because my new router was assigning it differently. Seems to work now.
2014-03-09 15:55 <zadz> For virtual reality and immersive developers. Interesting issues discussed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShVcN1HPzUw
2014-03-09 15:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #3348 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-09 16:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3348: SUCCESS in 3 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3348/
2014-03-09 16:01 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: minor spelling mistake fix.
2014-03-09 16:06 <Thonneve> nebadon_: I ended up using a external mysql library type thing, works pretty well
2014-03-09 16:07 <nebadon_> great
2014-03-09 16:08 <Thonneve> I also tested my osEditNotecard function
2014-03-09 16:08 <Thonneve> Works like a dream... by ruining assets
2014-03-09 16:09 <Thonneve> I tested it on a local standalone, and realise it was more like osEditAnyAsset by testing it on a object I had sitting out, needless to say everything went downhill from there
2014-03-09 16:25 <Thonneve> Also is the osgrid profile and search module compiled against a specific opensim version or will it work regardless
2014-03-09 16:28 <Thonneve> nebadon: Sorry to highlight you, just a bit confused, I can't find anything relating to osgrid in any of the dlls
2014-03-09 16:29 <Thonneve> I wonder if it's in opensim.modules.dll
2014-03-09 16:35 <nebadon> it should work regardless
2014-03-09 16:35 <Thonneve> And what dll would it be included in
2014-03-09 16:35 <Thonneve> Assuming i did the addon-modules way
2014-03-09 16:35 <nebadon> its osprofile and ossearch
2014-03-09 16:36 <nebadon> if you put the source into addon-modules and compile opensim
2014-03-09 16:36 <nebadon> the dlls should show up in you /bin directory
2014-03-09 16:36 <Thonneve> osprofile.dll and ossearch.dll?
2014-03-09 16:36 <nebadon> no
2014-03-09 16:36 <nebadon> OpenSimProfile.Modules.dll
2014-03-09 16:37 <nebadon> OpenSimSearch.Modules.dll
2014-03-09 16:37 <Thonneve> Ahhh
2014-03-09 16:37 <Thonneve> Thank you, I knew I missed something out in my terrible migration techniques
2014-03-09 16:37 <nebadon> no problem
2014-03-09 17:20 <Thonneve> Can I move some configuration out of opensim.ini to say config/scripting.ini and so on?
2014-03-09 17:23 <nebadon> sure
2014-03-09 17:24 <Thonneve> Is it just a case of having them included? Or is it built into opensim.exe and such?
2014-03-09 17:25 <nebadon> nope just include
2014-03-09 17:25 <Thonneve> Ahh awesome
2014-03-09 17:29 <Dev_Random> Thonneve, you can also launch with -inidirectory to override settings.... http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OpenSim.exe_Command_Line_Options
2014-03-09 17:30 <Thonneve> Oh, that's useful to know
2014-03-09 17:31 <Thonneve> Does opensim have any remote console functons? like say ssh built in or such?
2014-03-09 17:32 <Thonneve> I know of restfull but that's HTTP, wondering if theres anything similar in method? to ssh
2014-03-09 18:59 <Sked> Hello
2014-03-09 18:59 <Thonneve> Hello sked
2014-03-09 19:07 <Sked> how are you all
2014-03-09 19:07 <Thonneve> I'm good, trying to get my damn scripts to work without stupid errors
2014-03-09 19:08 <Sked> haha
2014-03-09 19:08 <Sked> good one
2014-03-09 19:09 <Thonneve> It's not even real errors, I put them in there to trick myself, but it never happens the way I want
2014-03-09 19:09 <Sked> i am wondering if its possible to released new WiRedux on http://forge.opensimulator.org web page
2014-03-09 19:09 <Sked> o i see
2014-03-09 19:10 <Thonneve> I put in debugging stuff in my scripts in order to debug them, and it will force errors on certain functions when I want them... and when I don't want them
2014-03-09 19:45 <Sked> does anyone know Kevin Cozens
2014-03-09 19:45 <Thonneve> I don't believe i do
2014-03-09 19:45 <Sked> where can i talk with him
2014-03-09 19:46 <Sked> or Fly Man
2014-03-09 19:46 <Thonneve> Flyman is online occasionally
2014-03-09 19:47 <Sked> cool tnx
2014-03-09 19:47 <Thonneve> Is there anything we can help with though?
2014-03-09 19:48 <Sked> i ask before if its possible to release new WiRedux Interface on forge.opensimulator.org web page
2014-03-09 19:48 <Thonneve> Oh right, I'm not sure if it's still actively maintained
2014-03-09 19:48 <Sked> i have make new one
2014-03-09 19:49 <Sked> are you programer mybe
2014-03-09 19:49 <Thonneve> I don't class myself as a programmer, more of a tinkerer
2014-03-09 19:49 <Sked> what is tinkerer
2014-03-09 19:50 <Thonneve> Like, I don't know how to program, but I know my way around fixing things sometimes
2014-03-09 19:50 <Sked> cool
2014-03-09 19:51 <Sked> mybe you can look at my create.php file any see if its everythink good in
2014-03-09 19:52 <Sked> http://pastebin.com/1cqzFpYf
2014-03-09 19:52 <Thonneve> Unfortunatley I can't read PHP well haha
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2014-03-09 20:01 <Sked> haha look this guys: http://pastebin.com/sw5W10AS
2014-03-09 20:01 <Sked> what people think of 
2014-03-09 20:01 <Thonneve> That's not good at all
2014-03-09 20:02 <Sked> haha
2014-03-09 20:04 <nebadon_laptop> Sked dont post stuff like that here please
2014-03-09 20:05 <Sked> sorry i wont
2014-03-09 20:05 <Sked> my mistake
2014-03-09 20:05 <Sked> this is not my
2014-03-09 20:07 <Sked> are you busy neb?
2014-03-09 20:07 <nebadon_laptop> whats up?
2014-03-09 20:10 <Thonneve> Not sure if I asked this before, but is it alright to host a PKGBUILD (arch ports like system) for opensim git?
2014-03-09 20:24 <nebadon_laptop> use github
2014-03-09 20:24 <nebadon_laptop> https://github.com/nebadon2025/opensimulator
2014-03-09 20:24 <dahlia> Thonneve: it would probably be better to have users pull from our distributions so they can be sure to have the latest bits
2014-03-09 20:25 <Thonneve> It pulls from github
2014-03-09 20:25 <Thonneve> Then compiles it, then packages it
2014-03-09 20:25 <dahlia> oh well it should probably pull from releases
2014-03-09 20:25 <Thonneve> They already have a release one and a osgrid one
2014-03-09 20:25 <dahlia> master can be broken now and then
2014-03-09 20:27 <Thonneve> Anything on the AUR can be broken, it's just for third party packages
2014-03-09 20:29 <dahlia> wouldnt you want functional if you can get it?
2014-03-09 20:30 <Thonneve> That would be what the opensim and osgrid packages are for
2014-03-09 20:31 <dahlia> I guess I dont understand what you are trying to do then
2014-03-09 20:31 <Thonneve> It pulls a fresh git, compiles it, moves some files around for a bit more easier setup, then packages it into a arch linux packge
2014-03-09 20:32 <dahlia> from git master?
2014-03-09 20:32 <Thonneve> Yeah
2014-03-09 20:32 <dahlia> git master is intended for developers
2014-03-09 20:33 <dahlia> it's all open source, you can do what you want. However if people are expecting a functional program they should probably be encouraged to use releases
2014-03-09 20:34 <Thonneve> Well arch users tend to be the more "educated" of linux users
2014-03-09 20:34 <dahlia> "educated"?
2014-03-09 20:35 <Thonneve> I'm trying to be nice... but they're not as dumb as some distro users...
2014-03-09 20:35 <Thonneve> They're mostly developers or people who know what they're doing, that's a better way of saying it
2014-03-09 20:36 <dahlia> whatever. If they intend to develop opensim, then they should probably set up their own environment... especially if they are "educated"
2014-03-09 20:36 <dahlia> if they just want to use it, releases will save everyone involved time and trouble
2014-03-09 20:37 <Thonneve> That is quite true
2014-03-09 20:37 <Thonneve> It was mostly for people who want "bleeding edge"
2014-03-09 20:39 <dahlia> emphasis on "bleed"
2014-03-09 20:39 <Thonneve> Haha true
2014-03-09 20:39 <Thonneve> Allough I have to say, master is pretty stable atm
2014-03-09 20:39 <Thonneve> Atleast for me
2014-03-09 20:40 <dahlia> at the moment
2014-03-09 20:41 <dahlia> if they want bleeding edge, its probably better for them to get it themselves. However I doubt many "educated" linux users know c# anyway
2014-03-09 20:42 <Thonneve> C# does seem to be more of a windows thing
2014-03-09 20:42 <Thonneve> Allough looking through some of the opensim code, it looks pretty simple to pick up, I really like it in fact
2014-03-09 20:43 <dahlia> I really like it too but it's a lot differnt than c/c++ although the syntax is nearly identical
2014-03-09 20:43 <Thonneve> I don't even pretend to understand what's going on in c/c++
2014-03-09 20:44 <lkalif> it's easy to remember: c++ is the spawn of satan
2014-03-09 20:44 <dahlia> lol
2014-03-09 20:44 <Thonneve> I can see roughly what's going on with C#, but C++ and C confuse me too much
2014-03-09 20:45 <dahlia> c++ is a good idea but it's had way "too many cooks"
2014-03-09 20:46 <dahlia> anyway that's my suggestion: have package installers for releases and let people set it up by hand for dev master
2014-03-09 20:46 <Thonneve> Is there a updated roadmap for opensim?
2014-03-09 20:47 <dahlia> there is no roadmap that I'm aware of
2014-03-09 20:47 <LiruCookies> 
ACTION whispers, "C# is evil, C++ is an angel"

2014-03-09 20:47 <lkalif> LiruCookies has been poised by Aleric :P
2014-03-09 20:48 <Thonneve> Why was opensim made in C# if I may ask
2014-03-09 20:48 <smxy> 
ACTION gets out the popcorn ...

2014-03-09 20:48 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Nah, Aleric's style is too Classic, my opinion is mine.
2014-03-09 20:49 <dahlia> Thonneve: probably because it started off using libomv, which was written in c#
2014-03-09 20:49 <Thonneve> Ahh right
2014-03-09 20:49 <lkalif> LiruCookies: but srsly, you'd love c#
2014-03-09 20:50 <dahlia> c# is better than c++ because it's faster/easier to program and in general produces more reliable code. c++ is better if you need more speed or native executables
2014-03-09 20:50 <LiruCookies> lkalif: But initialization and destruction... it's out of order in C#
2014-03-09 20:51 <lkalif> LiruCookies: initialization order is under your control
2014-03-09 20:51 <dahlia> c++ has a much longer learning curve
2014-03-09 20:51 <lkalif> you just don't worry about destruction
2014-03-09 20:51 <dahlia> most of the time you dont worry about destruction :)
2014-03-09 20:51 <Thonneve> Doesn't C++ or C require handling memory manually?
2014-03-09 20:51 <dahlia> yes
2014-03-09 20:51 <Thonneve> Whereas C# doesn't?
2014-03-09 20:51 <LiruCookies> If I am constructing the base of a derived class object, I do not want virtual functions to be their overrides yet...
2014-03-09 20:52 <dahlia> well c++ automates some of it
2014-03-09 20:52 <LiruCookies> I do not see how anyone could want that..
2014-03-09 20:55 <dahlia> why would you care? if you just want the base class then just instatiate it
2014-03-09 20:56 <dahlia> anyway, I'm afk for the afternoon. laterz all :) *poofs*
2014-03-09 20:56 <LiruCookies> I want my virtual constru tor to exhibit the same behavior no matter what functions it calls, if I have an object of type A, it should not be calling a derived function from B
2014-03-09 20:56 <LiruCookies> constructor*
2014-03-09 20:56 <lkalif> you're overthinkingit
2014-03-09 20:56 <LiruCookies> Not really..
2014-03-09 20:57 <smxy> 
ACTION enjoys the popcorn ...

2014-03-09 20:58 <lkalif> c++ people tend to overcomplicate stuff
2014-03-09 21:02 <LiruCookies> It is not a complex thing to differ on..
2014-03-09 21:03 <LiruCookies> C# is not the worst, though, it has its place..
2014-03-09 21:04 <lkalif> lol "not the worst"
2014-03-09 21:05 <LiruCookies> Have you seen um.. what was it.. ArnoldC?
2014-03-09 21:06 <lkalif> c# is the most beatuful (of the statically typed) programming language
2014-03-09 21:06 <Aleric> C++ is too complex for the not-so-smart people, too flexible, too many possibilities to fuck up with memory leaks. So, if you don't have any feeling about the life time of your objects, it's better to put half of your CPU time into garbage collecting with C#, so at least you are sure you won't accidently leak memory.
2014-03-09 21:07 <lkalif> yeah, and oh-so-smart people have two years to figure out why is Singularity using so much ram
2014-03-09 21:07 <lkalif> and they are still cluless
2014-03-09 21:08 <Aleric> I never tried to find out, so I guess you are talking about someone else.
2014-03-09 21:08 <LiruCookies> My bad
2014-03-09 21:08 <Thonneve> LiruCookies: ArnoldC is just rediculous
2014-03-09 21:09 <LiruCookies> Thonneve: 16bit signed int as only type, was it?
2014-03-09 21:09 <Thonneve> Not a clue
2014-03-09 21:09 <Thonneve> I saw how it was written and passed it off as a joke
2014-03-09 21:09 <Thonneve> IT'S SHOWTIME
2014-03-09 21:09 <Thonneve> TALK TO THE HAND "hello world"
2014-03-09 21:09 <Thonneve> YOU HAVE BEEN TERMINATED
2014-03-09 21:09 <Thonneve> Who honestly thought that was a good idea?
2014-03-09 21:09 <LiruCookies> It could have been significant, a more worthy joke...
2014-03-09 21:10 <LiruCookies> They heard the terminated line and a spark hit?
2014-03-09 21:10 <lkalif> c++ is for a submissibe type, the one who likes rules and regulations, and who like to get whipped by his master when he gets it wrong ;)
2014-03-09 21:10 <Thonneve> LiruCookies: More like brain damage
2014-03-09 21:10 <Aleric> I thought you didn't like C++?
2014-03-09 21:11 <Thonneve> https://github.com/lhartikk/ArnoldC
2014-03-09 21:11 <Thonneve> That is seriously braindamagec
2014-03-09 21:12 <LiruCookies> lkalif: You can't tell the cpu exactly what to do in C#, I feel that is more restrictive.
2014-03-09 21:13 <lkalif> LiruCookies: you should be flipping bits with a neefle then
2014-03-09 21:13 <lkalif> so this is from actual viewer code:
2014-03-09 21:13 <lkalif> for(LLSD::array_const_iterator it = buddy_list.beginArray(), end = buddy_list.endArray(); it != end; ++it) {}
2014-03-09 21:13 <lkalif> in c# that wouild be
2014-03-09 21:13 <lkalif> foreach(var buddy in buddy_list) {}
2014-03-09 21:14 <lkalif> and there is one for loop like that every 100 lines of code
2014-03-09 21:14 <LiruCookies> for each exists in c++11
2014-03-09 21:15 <lkalif> so if you like to go around and whip your self in the back bearing a cross until you bleed, c++ is for you
2014-03-09 21:17 <LiruCookies> for (LLSD buddy : buddy_list) {}
2014-03-09 21:20 <LiruCookies> And we have boost foreach, we could use...
2014-03-09 21:39 <Thonneve> I thought opensim was GPL?
2014-03-09 21:40 <Thonneve> ohh, i missread
2014-03-09 21:40 <Nickyp> Plugh: Please see if this solves the search not found issue. http://sourceforge.net/projects/kokua.team-purple.p/files/Nightly/Kokua_Test_3_7_2_31961_i686.tar.bz2/download
2014-03-09 21:50 <H-H-H> hi Thonneve hows things?
2014-03-09 21:50 <Thonneve> H-H-H: They're good, got opensim running on my HTC One
2014-03-09 21:50 <H-H-H> sweet!
2014-03-09 21:51 <Thonneve> It was quite easy, had to use arm soft float, set bullet to use bulletxna, and you had physics and it would use sqlite
2014-03-09 21:51 <Thonneve> Logins worked but I didn't stick around to test much else
2014-03-09 21:52 <H-H-H> hmmmmmm interesting i might contact you later via pm or email to discuss it further?
2014-03-09 21:53 <Thonneve> That'll be fine
2014-03-09 21:53 <Thonneve> Just highlight me if I don't respond, I'm not always looking at IRC
2014-03-09 21:54 <H-H-H> will be a while yet im currently porting my old basic webstore module to current opensim master lol i wrote it a while ago so a few things have changed haha
2014-03-09 21:54 <Thonneve> That's cool, I got to work on a few projects that include drastically overheating my HTC one haha
2014-03-09 21:57 <smxy> There was someone in here that said the networking in XenServer was lacking, but I can't recall whom.
2014-03-09 22:14 <Plugh> Nickyp: ok, I'll do that. ty
2014-03-09 22:18 <Plugh> Nickyp: Yup. That seems to have fixed the problem.
2014-03-09 22:19 <Nickyp> good it will be in Nightly for all platforms tomorrow
2014-03-09 22:24 <Plugh> Great. My thanks to you or whoever it was that fixed it.
2014-03-09 22:26 <Plugh> dinner is ready. bbl.
2014-03-09 22:29 <Thonneve> How come opensim implements some sort of IRCd?
2014-03-09 22:30 <smxy> region (parcel?) chat can be relayed to and from an IRC channel.
2014-03-09 22:31 <Thonneve> I thought that was the irc relay module?
2014-03-09 22:31 <smxy> Yes. Is that not what you're talking about?
2014-03-09 22:31 <Thonneve> No, theres an actual IRC server in opensim
2014-03-09 22:32 <Thonneve> or the beginings of one
2014-03-09 22:35 <LiruCookies> Is that for groups?
2014-03-09 22:35 <Thonneve> I have no clue, I was looking through the opensim source and noticed it
2014-03-09 22:44 <nebadon_laptop> i dont think its a server
2014-03-09 22:45 <nebadon_laptop> its a bot to relay to irc server basically
2014-03-09 22:55 <ftcodes> nebadon there is an actual IRC server in it but it is not working at all
2014-03-09 22:55 <nebadon_laptop> hmm interesting I didnt know that
2014-03-09 22:55 <ftcodes> it had once the section [IRCd]
2014-03-09 22:55 <nebadon_laptop> guess it never worked
2014-03-09 22:56 <ftcodes> probably long time ago
2014-03-09 22:56 <ftcodes> there is also an undocumented probably not working Jabber connector in the opensim source
2014-03-09 23:09 <H-H-H> hey nebadon you got a min for a very quick pm?
2014-03-09 23:13 <H-H-H> nebadon_laptop PING
2014-03-09 23:13 <nebadon_laptop> hey whats up
2014-03-09 23:14 <H-H-H> incase you didnt know Robust.ini.example and probably Robust.HG.ini.example have an error in them
2014-03-09 23:14 <H-H-H> BakedTextureService = "8003/OpenSim.Server.Handlers.dll:XBakesConnector
2014-03-09 23:14 <H-H-H> is missing an "
2014-03-09 23:15 <H-H-H> i just did a clean git pull from your opensim github and noticed it :)
2014-03-09 23:16 <H-H-H> i really should get my mantis account working again so i can mantis these hings
2014-03-09 23:18 <nebadon_laptop> oh ok
2014-03-09 23:18 <nebadon_laptop> let me look and fix thanks
2014-03-09 23:18 <H-H-H> i dont know if its the same in opensim git master
2014-03-09 23:18 <nebadon_laptop> ya it is
2014-03-09 23:19 <nebadon_laptop> im fixing
2014-03-09 23:19 <H-H-H> ok :)
2014-03-09 23:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #3349 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-09 23:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3349: SUCCESS in 3 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3349/
2014-03-09 23:24 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: fix missing quote for xBakes connector in Robust example ini files
2014-03-10 00:10 <paulieflomar> xBakes comin to OsGrid soon?
2014-03-10 00:11 <paulieflomar> Sorry, this is prolly the wrong channel to ask in. Re-asked in proper xhannel. :)
2014-03-10 00:42 <osmantis> Bug #7051:04 [VAR] osNpcMoveToTarget fails outside of 256 on varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7051 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-10 01:28 <osmantis> Bug #6990:04 OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.SceneGraph [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6990 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-10 04:29 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-10 04:42 <osmantis> Bug #7008:04 Varregion Terrain very slow to load when teleporting in. Much slower than same exact oars loaded on a mega region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7008 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-10 05:12 <osmantis> Bug #7051:04 [VAR] osNpcMoveToTarget fails outside of 256 on varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7051 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-03-10 06:54 <osmantis> Bug #7004:04 Accessing texture from inventory or attempting to upload new one sometimes fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7004 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-10 08:52 <damienL> Bonjour a tous, je voudrais savoir si quelqu un saurais quel est le protocole actuel de tchat d'opensim? 
2014-03-10 09:16 <zadark> damienL: Bonjour, langue principale est l'anglais. D�sol� mais mon fran�ais n'est pas bon.
2014-03-10 09:38 <mehdi-spynka> hey , please What is open sim uses xmpp protocol ? 
2014-03-10 09:41 <mehdi-spynka> ????????????????
2014-03-10 09:44 <mehdi-spynka> There are nobody ? oHHHH
2014-03-10 09:50 <dahlia> mehdi-spynka: no opensim does not use XMPP
2014-03-10 09:58 <damienL> and you already consider integrating xmpp to open sim?
2014-03-10 09:58 <mehdi-spynka> ok thank you my friend
2014-03-10 10:03 <damienL> ?
2014-03-10 10:40 <damienL> ??????,
2014-03-10 10:44 <Sked> Hello
2014-03-10 10:51 <damienL> hello
2014-03-10 11:27 <Sked> can anyone tell me if opensim automatic create assetID for inventoryItems in db or its new key?
2014-03-10 11:39 <damienL> and you already consider integrating xmpp to open sim?
2014-03-10 11:42 <|-fInE-|> hmm jabber on opensim? 
2014-03-10 11:50 <damienL> yes
2014-03-10 12:11 <ssm2017> damienL, afaik opensimulator is using the linden labs viewer mechanism for chat. there is an opensimulator's irc bridge but this bridge is region level but not user level (no im messages, no groups...) with only one user connected (the region) so i think that if xmpp is integrated, it could be the same kind of link as the irc client integrated in the simulator
2014-03-10 12:13 <ssm2017> if you would like to use xmpp for chat and ims and groups, someone should write a dedicated viewer (afaik)
2014-03-10 12:14 <Dev_Random> Somebody mentioned yesterday that there was XMPP code in OS.  It's in Framework.communications.
2014-03-10 12:15 <Dev_Random> Haven't looked at it... but there's *something* there.
2014-03-10 12:15 <|-fInE-|> reffer the following link for jabberbridge opensim: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/JabberBridge
2014-03-10 12:17 <|-fInE-|> i dont know if it works with the current developer version :D
2014-03-10 12:24 <|-fInE-|> oh what have i found? Mumble?!? sounds intressting .. :D
2014-03-10 12:52 <Lloydi> good day everyone
2014-03-10 12:55 <Lloydi> I'm getting a strange issue on the console where I can't connect to a running region.
2014-03-10 12:55 <Lloydi> I have on large var region beside 3 - 256-256 smaller regions
2014-03-10 12:56 <Lloydi> I can visit each region with viewer
2014-03-10 12:56 <Lloydi> but can't change to regions at times on the console to do things such and import oars etc...
2014-03-10 12:57 <Lloydi> this is a standalone latest running
2014-03-10 12:58 <Lloydi> the only message i get on console is "Couldn't select region sandbox3" trying to switch to the sandbox3 region
2014-03-10 12:59 <Lloydi> but what's funny is i can change to 3 other regions.... 
2014-03-10 12:59 <Lloydi> and one's a varregion 1024
2014-03-10 13:01 <Lloydi> anyone ever run into such a thing?
2014-03-10 13:02 <Lloydi> another funny issue is i have each region configured on a different port 9000-9003 but it's only actually using port 9000.... huh
2014-03-10 13:03 <Lloydi> but again I can visit each region with viewer no problems, 
2014-03-10 13:05 <Lloydi> i was wrong... not the 256 regions just disappeared from viewer
2014-03-10 13:22 -!- damienL(~Dam@ALyon-652-1-24-92.w109-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) has left #opensim-dev
2014-03-10 13:32 <|-fInE-|> you must change the port in opensim as well if you're running different opensim.exe per sim
2014-03-10 13:38 <H-H-H> nebadon_ping
2014-03-10 13:39 <H-H-H> erm i mean nebadon_ PING
2014-03-10 13:41 <H-H-H> found another possible typo  :) in OpenSim.ini.example the xbakes dir is set to /data which on mono systems is not writeable to anyone but root so it needs the / removed from it to use th data di in the bin folder
2014-03-10 13:48 <H-H-H> dir*
2014-03-10 14:08 <Lloydi> the port is configured different for each region
2014-03-10 14:13 <H-H-H> port? i was talking about diecories
2014-03-10 14:18 <Arielle_> ping nebadon 
2014-03-10 14:18 <H-H-H> bah frigin typolitus i meant directories
2014-03-10 14:19 <Arielle_> opensimulator mantis is giving me an erro trying to file a mantis report
2014-03-10 14:19 <Arielle_> APPLICATION ERROR #2800
2014-03-10 14:19 <Arielle_> Invalid form security token. Did you submit the form twice by accident?
2014-03-10 14:21 <H-H-H> not guilty as it seems to be working ok for me although i havent filed a bug so may not have seen it
2014-03-10 14:24 <Lloydi> sorry h-h-h not directed to you
2014-03-10 14:24 <H-H-H> ahh ok :)
2014-03-10 14:28 <Arielle_> ping Misterblue terrain editing on varregions is a PITA on master  from Saturday. Several people including myself have seen high cpu and ram usage  with the terrain taking several mnutes to adjust itself to the changes. 
2014-03-10 14:28 <Arielle_> on a varregion
2014-03-10 14:31 <|-fInE-|> a var region needs more ram .. thats normal .. how much memory are you using on your machine?
2014-03-10 14:32 <Arielle_> when not editing it is around 500MB
2014-03-10 14:32 <|-fInE-|> oh thats not much :D 
2014-03-10 14:32 <Arielle_> it doubles while editing and does not drop afterwards
2014-03-10 14:33 <Arielle_> cpu= 100% for several minutes after a  slight edit
2014-03-10 14:33 <Arielle_> and inworld avatars ae frozen
2014-03-10 14:33 <Arielle_> and lots of red on the console
2014-03-10 14:33 <|-fInE-|> my full loaded var region consumps now 3,6gb of ram .. you should add more ram :D
2014-03-10 14:34 <Arielle_> i have 4 GB but the varregion uses 500 MB
2014-03-10 14:35 <|-fInE-|> ok you have more than 500 mb .. that should be enough
2014-03-10 14:35 <Arielle_> and a varregion uses less ram not more
2014-03-10 14:35 <Arielle_> in comparison to either an equivalent sized mega or regular regions
2014-03-10 14:37 <Arielle_> its the terrain editing that seems to have an issue
2014-03-10 14:39 <Abitar> 4gb seams alful high to me, I have sims near prim counts and 1000s of scripts and rarely hits 3gb, and idles sligly under 1gb(no avatars) and it if does not idle under that it gets a restart and it will. :)  
2014-03-10 14:53 <orenh> Something strange is happening
2014-03-10 14:53 <orenh> Robust is sending the viewer the message: "Can't find item to give. Nothing given."
2014-03-10 14:54 <orenh> That message is sent from InventoryTransferModule.OnInstantMessage()
2014-03-10 14:54 <orenh> But that method can only be called if the viewer sent a packet to the server, and it hasn't done so!
2014-03-10 14:54 <orenh> I'm running WinGridProxy, so I know that the viewer didn't send any UDP packets at all
2014-03-10 14:54 <orenh> So how did the simulator (sorry, I meant OpenSim, not Robust) getting into this method?
2014-03-10 14:55 <Dev_Random> somebody else trying to send something to you?
2014-03-10 14:55 <orenh> I'm sending IM's between grids
2014-03-10 14:55 <orenh> This should go through the code path for "Grid IM's"
2014-03-10 14:55 <orenh> there's no way my grid can cause a UDP packet to get to the Simulator on another grid. Is there?
2014-03-10 14:56 <Dev_Random> out of my depth....
2014-03-10 14:56 <orenh> It's like an "immaculate conception". No UDP packet was sent, but OpenSim gets into a function that can only be called when a UDP packet is received ?!?!
2014-03-10 15:01 <danbanner> H-H-H: I believe that folder was intended to reside outside of bin
2014-03-10 15:01 <danbanner> H-H-H: melanie discussed the reasoning last month
2014-03-10 15:02 <|-fInE-|> one strange question .. can i use the opensimulator logo for a php project of mine?
2014-03-10 15:02 <nebadon_> Arielle_ you are just going to have to try it again
2014-03-10 15:02 <nebadon_> the problem was you probably started a mantis and then took over 15 minutes to submit it
2014-03-10 15:02 <nebadon_> so the session timed out
2014-03-10 15:02 <nebadon_> its an unfortunate bug that happens from time to time
2014-03-10 15:03 <Arielle_afk> need more then 15 minutes  sometimes to gather all the relevant data
2014-03-10 15:03 <Arielle_afk> maybe the time limit could be upped a bit?
2014-03-10 15:05 <nebadon_> maybe I have no idea how though
2014-03-10 15:05 <nebadon_> its not an obvious setting
2014-03-10 15:05 <nebadon_> justin looked into it before as well, I am not even sure its 15 minutes, i just know if you take to long it can time out
2014-03-10 15:07 <H-H-H> ty danbanner it was just my observation :)
2014-03-10 15:14 <orenh> Does anyone have any insights about  "Can't find item to give. Nothing given."?
2014-03-10 15:17 <Arielle_afk> usually happens for me when trying hypergrid transfers of items
2014-03-10 15:17 <Arielle_afk> giving item to a friend for example
2014-03-10 15:26 <osmantis> Bug #7052:04 Map tiles no longer show in Map Tool in Viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7052 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-10 15:27 <osmantis> Bug #7052:04 Map tiles no longer show in Map Tool in Viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7052 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-03-10 15:33 <osmantis> Bug #7052:04 Map tiles no longer show in Map Tool in Viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7052 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-03-10 16:05 <Lloydi> anyone working with puppeteer script?
2014-03-10 16:12 <Lloydi> or anyone working with npc automator 2.0?
2014-03-10 16:13 <Lloydi> looking for the best bot scripts... ?
2014-03-10 16:13 <Lloydi> working...
2014-03-10 16:30 <orenh> I found what causes the inventory problem. It's a bug related to how grid-IM's are handled. I actually fixed this bug in 0.7.6, but some simulators are still running older versions so they encounter it.
2014-03-10 16:33 <Lloydi> http://was.fm/secondlife:great_wanderer .... too cool.. wonder if it would run in opensim
2014-03-10 16:34 <Lloydi> ahh duh...
2014-03-10 16:57 <Plugh> orenh: Is your fix in the core OS code?
2014-03-10 16:58 <orenh> yes, it was added a while back
2014-03-10 16:58 <orenh> regions running 0.7.6 (release) or higher already have it
2014-03-10 16:58 <orenh> I saw the problem on regions running 0.7.6-Dev
2014-03-10 17:15 <osmantis> Bug #7053:04 Terrain editing causes high cpu usage for several minutes on minor editing. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7053 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-10 17:32 <Lloydi> why can I not enable scripts on a varregion?
2014-03-10 17:32 <Lloydi> or get scripting to work for single standalone
2014-03-10 17:32 <Lloydi> varregion
2014-03-10 17:33 <Lloydi> anyone else having issues configuring scripts?
2014-03-10 17:37 <Arielle_> some scripts don't work for me but others do
2014-03-10 17:38 <Lloydi> I can't get the basic "Touch" enabled for scripts in prims
2014-03-10 17:38 <Lloydi> for a varregion
2014-03-10 18:11 <Sked> can anyone tell me if its "assetsID" from inventoryItems db the same as in "id" table in assets
2014-03-10 18:15 <ftcodes> Sked it is unless you have assetType 24 or 25 within the inventoryitems entry
2014-03-10 18:16 <Sked> OK
2014-03-10 18:16 <Sked> then i no need to add it in assets bd
2014-03-10 18:17 <ftcodes> 24 is Link to inventoryitem, 25 is LinkFolder
2014-03-10 18:17 <Sked> OK
2014-03-10 18:18 <Sked> but i use only 13 and 5 assetType
2014-03-10 18:18 <ftcodes> there are more
2014-03-10 18:20 <Sked> i need to know to make new Default shape, skin, eyes, hair, pants and shirt
2014-03-10 18:20 <ftcodes> you could just generate some with your viewer
2014-03-10 18:21 <ftcodes> and use those everytime you create an account
2014-03-10 18:21 <ftcodes> the asset entry can be referenced by multiple inventoryitems
2014-03-10 18:21 <Sked> i want to use it for creatinf new account
2014-03-10 18:21 <ftcodes> just look at the inventoryitems you made with the viewer
2014-03-10 18:22 <ftcodes> if you create then with a new parentFolderID, agentID and inventoryID you got your item ;)
2014-03-10 18:22 <Sked> i have and the one i make with php code dont work?
2014-03-10 18:22 <ftcodes> you messed up assetType and inventoryType then
2014-03-10 18:23 <ftcodes> you should just use some items your viewer created as your template simplifies a lot
2014-03-10 18:23 <Sked> parentFolderID is the same as folderID in inventoryFolder db
2014-03-10 18:23 <ftcodes> yes
2014-03-10 18:23 <Sked> cool tnx
2014-03-10 18:23 <ftcodes> that is where the item is placed
2014-03-10 18:24 <Sked> and assetID is new
2014-03-10 18:25 <Sked> i didnt find it nowhere in db
2014-03-10 18:27 <Lloydi> question... do the functions within http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OSSL_Enabling_Functions need to be enabled one by one to work correctly?
2014-03-10 18:33 <ftcodes> the ones you do not find in asset table are assetTypes 24 and 25
2014-03-10 18:33 <Sked> ftcodes do you think is this code right : http://pastebin.com/08Te51Lc
2014-03-10 18:33 <Sked> one example for Default Pants
2014-03-10 18:36 <ftcodes> just checked it
2014-03-10 18:36 <ftcodes> looks correct for Default Pants item
2014-03-10 18:36 <Sked> so i make this in inventoryitems and i will have it in my inventory 
2014-03-10 18:37 <Sked> or i need to make anythink else
2014-03-10 18:37 <ftcodes> no need to create the asset it is already there
2014-03-10 18:37 <ftcodes> when the viewer edits an item it actually uploads a new asset and changes assetID
2014-03-10 18:38 <Sked> o i see
2014-03-10 18:38 <ftcodes> but did you create the folder "My Inventory" with the parentFolderID = "00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000"
2014-03-10 18:38 <Sked> ups there is problem
2014-03-10 18:39 <Sked> sorry my mistake
2014-03-10 18:39 <ftcodes> viewer will not do anything right without that one
2014-03-10 18:41 <Sked> no, i have parentFolderID $folderID5
2014-03-10 18:41 <Sked> the code is good
2014-03-10 18:44 <Sked> "00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000" is for GroupID
2014-03-10 18:53 <ftcodes> yes, it means no group and that is why groupowned is set to 0
2014-03-10 18:54 <Sked> yes
2014-03-10 18:59 <Dev_Random> Lloydi: You can enable groups of them with "OSFunctionThreatLevel" setting
2014-03-10 18:59 <Lloydi> thanks, but I still have region scripts disabled
2014-03-10 19:00 <Lloydi> can't figure for the life of me how to enable them
2014-03-10 19:00 <Dev_Random> AllowOSFunctions = true ??
2014-03-10 19:00 <Lloydi> got it
2014-03-10 19:00 <Lloydi> this is a standalone varregion 1024x1024 should it still work?
2014-03-10 19:01 <Dev_Random> yup
2014-03-10 19:01 <Lloydi> hmm
2014-03-10 19:01 <Lloydi> anywere else it would be disabled?
2014-03-10 19:01 <Dev_Random> "about land"?
2014-03-10 19:01 <Lloydi> tried that
2014-03-10 19:01 <Lloydi> scripts are not disabled
2014-03-10 19:03 <Dev_Random> no scripts at all?  or just the osxxx functions?
2014-03-10 19:03 <Lloydi> the "disable scripts" box is unchecked
2014-03-10 19:03 <Lloydi> in "about land"
2014-03-10 19:04 <Dev_Random> can you run *any* scripts?  or is it just the osxxx functions that don't work?
2014-03-10 19:04 <Lloydi> good question...lol
2014-03-10 19:04 <Lloydi> brb
2014-03-10 19:05 <Lloydi> no i have the little icon in the top of the view that says "scripts not allowed"
2014-03-10 19:06 <Lloydi> shouldn't that be gone
2014-03-10 19:06 <Lloydi> if I could use any script
2014-03-10 19:06 <Dev_Random> maybe group permission to run  scripts?
2014-03-10 19:07 <Lloydi> I'm having issues with the profile also. wonder if that causing it
2014-03-10 19:07 <Lloydi> can't update profile
2014-03-10 19:11 <Lloydi> and i keep getting this msg "[USER MANAGEMENT MODULE]: No grid user found for 3fc379....-     -   ...
2014-03-10 19:11 <Lloydi> so why would a standalone configured region ask for a grid user?
2014-03-10 19:12 <Dev_Random> I'd spin up one from scratch (new DB, etc), and see if it works there... If so, try to find what's different.
2014-03-10 19:12 <Lloydi> yea, good idea
2014-03-10 19:13 <ftcodes> pretty simple you were somewhen strolling through HG
2014-03-10 19:13 <ftcodes> or imported an IAR that had HG creator entries
2014-03-10 19:14 <Lloydi> I dumped that freebemall from http://zadaroo.com/?page_id=1647 on a small region beside a large var region and things started going haywire 
2014-03-10 19:14 <Lloydi> ok i know may have been a bit half baked idea
2014-03-10 19:15 <Dev_Random> and now scripts won't run in the var...? 
2014-03-10 19:15 <Lloydi> actually I didn't try before...
2014-03-10 19:15 <Lloydi> so can't say
2014-03-10 19:15 <Dev_Random> ha.. okay
2014-03-10 19:16 <Lloydi> I can't get this syntax to save an iar
2014-03-10 19:16 <Lloydi> can anyone help me out with that
2014-03-10 19:16 <Lloydi> save iar firstname lastname .....
2014-03-10 19:17 <Lloydi> how does one specify the inventory path?
2014-03-10 19:17 <Lloydi> from console
2014-03-10 19:18 <Lloydi> shouldn't it be /inventory 
2014-03-10 19:20 <Lloydi> oh snap i just figured out the "*" character works...lol
2014-03-10 19:26 <osmantis> Bug #7052:04 Map tiles no longer show in Map Tool in Viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7052 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-10 19:34 <Lloydi> ahh scripts are work ing fine with a fresh db
2014-03-10 19:34 <Lloydi> hmmm
2014-03-10 19:41 <Sked> ftcodes i find problem
2014-03-10 19:42 <Sked> i must fill in inventoryDescription too
2014-03-10 19:51 <ftcodes> actually that can be left empty
2014-03-10 19:51 <ftcodes> but you need that My Inventory folder
2014-03-10 19:54 <Sked> i have it
2014-03-10 19:54 <Sked> now i get everythink in inventory
2014-03-10 19:54 <Sked> only shape,skin and hair is problem
2014-03-10 19:55 <Sked> i am searching what is problem
2014-03-10 19:55 <ftcodes> shape and skin and hair have a different assetType 
2014-03-10 19:55 <Sked> yes this is problem
2014-03-10 19:55 <ftcodes> so you create them with that one
2014-03-10 19:56 <ftcodes> I gave you the hint to look how those look like when the viewer requests for the creation
2014-03-10 19:56 <Sked> i must create new assetID?
2014-03-10 19:56 <Sked> OK tnx
2014-03-10 19:57 <Sked> what assetType have skin,shape and hair
2014-03-10 19:57 <Sked> new one or the one from asset db
2014-03-10 20:00 <ftcodes> 13
2014-03-10 20:04 <ftcodes> sked if you reuse the default items you still just have to use that asset uuid
2014-03-10 20:05 <Sked> for shape, hair and skin too
2014-03-10 20:05 <ftcodes> if you are going to create the default bodyparts simply yes
2014-03-10 20:05 <Sked> OK tnx
2014-03-10 20:17 <Sked> yeha its work
2014-03-10 20:17 <Sked> thank you so much
2014-03-10 20:17 <Lloydi> so grid service must be enabled to have userprofile work?
2014-03-10 20:17 <Lloydi> which does not in standalone... is that correct?
2014-03-10 20:19 <Lloydi> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/UserProfiles says I can configure it for standalone... this must not be true for varregions
2014-03-10 20:31 <osmantis> Bug #7052:04 Map tiles no longer show in Map Tool in Viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7052 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-10 20:36 <ftcodes> Lloydi from what I saw it is available for any DB except SQLite (which is the default shown in config file)
2014-03-10 20:37 <H-H-H> hey guys does anyone use the datasnapshot and search modules?
2014-03-10 20:40 <dahlia> H-H-H: we dont survey usage
2014-03-10 20:42 <H-H-H> well im trying to run them on master and according to the console they are initialized but nothing is being written to datasnapshot dir or to db :|
2014-03-10 20:44 <dahlia> oh.. no sorry I don't use them. No clue if/how they work
2014-03-10 20:44 <dahlia> maybe justin might know, could try asking when he's online
2014-03-10 20:44 <H-H-H> thanks for yor time anyway i will continue stepping through and see what is doing what or not as the case may be
2014-03-10 20:45 <H-H-H> your*
2014-03-10 20:45 <dahlia> np :)
2014-03-10 20:55 <Lloydi> ok so bots are not ready for varregions yet
2014-03-10 20:55 <Lloydi> and scripts 
2014-03-10 20:56 <Lloydi> having a time trying to get basic scripts to work on standalone varregion
2014-03-10 20:56 <Lloydi> Im done for today...
2014-03-10 20:56 <Lloydi> good day eveyrone
2014-03-10 21:05 <osmantis> Bug #7052:04 Map tiles no longer show in Map Tool in Viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7052 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-03-11 00:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #3350 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-11 00:21 <Melanie_T> justincc: ping
2014-03-11 00:21 <Melanie_T> justincc: group messaging offline users is an issue in principle, i think
2014-03-11 00:21 <justincc> hello Melanie_T
2014-03-11 00:22 <Melanie_T> justincc: it may need a long hard look at how it is done 
2014-03-11 00:22 <Melanie_T> justincc: as i would think a web/robust service to distribute to all offline users, apart from the sim, may be the way to go
2014-03-11 00:22 <justincc> yes, in diva's v2 groups she is only messaging online users as far as i can see
2014-03-11 00:22 <Melanie_T> well, you want to message offline users
2014-03-11 00:22 <justincc> this is group message
2014-03-11 00:22 <Melanie_T> advertising should go out by im-to-email
2014-03-11 00:23 <Melanie_T> like it does in sl
2014-03-11 00:23 <Melanie_T> businesses depend o it
2014-03-11 00:23 <diva> it's configurable
2014-03-11 00:23 <Melanie_T> so do event venues
2014-03-11 00:23 <Melanie_T> so making it impossible is not really an option
2014-03-11 00:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3350: SUCCESS in 6 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3350/
2014-03-11 00:23 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Send group notices through the same messaging module mechanism used to send group chat to avoid timeout issues when sending messages to large groups.
2014-03-11 00:23 <diva> thers's a config var that rules whether to foward messages to offline users or not. We had it off during the conference
2014-03-11 00:24 <justincc> is that in offline im?
2014-03-11 00:24 <diva> I don't remember, but I can look it up.
2014-03-11 00:24 <Melanie_T> i believe group notices are fully in the province of the groups modules
2014-03-11 00:25 <Melanie_T> control over how and what is done with them lies there
2014-03-11 00:25 <diva> brb
2014-03-11 00:27 <Plugh> I modified offline.php to send offline messages to email if the user hasn't said no to getting them via email.
2014-03-11 00:27 <Melanie_T> the new profile module in core actually saves the user's selection
2014-03-11 00:28 <Melanie_T> so you have that setting available now if you're not already using it
2014-03-11 00:28 <justincc> yeah, the issue is with naively sending messages to offline users rather than putting them into the offline store, which I'm assuming is what offline IM implements
2014-03-11 00:28 <Melanie_T> ye
2014-03-11 00:28 <Melanie_T> right now, the system leverages IM
2014-03-11 00:28 <Melanie_T> so every user is sent an IM
2014-03-11 00:29 <Melanie_T> that  goes through the usual presence check and user hunt
2014-03-11 00:29 <Melanie_T> but i know i added a bulk presence query api when i designed that
2014-03-11 00:29 <Melanie_T> so you could give all group members' ids to it
2014-03-11 00:29 <Melanie_T> and then send im to those who are online
2014-03-11 00:29 <Melanie_T> and pass the message plus the ids to save them for to another service
2014-03-11 00:29 <justincc> yes, diva groups and xmlrpc with the appropriate option already do that
2014-03-11 00:30 <justincc> as far as i can see, you wouldn't want to send group notices to offline users anyway, it looks like the mechanism is for them to pick them up some other time
2014-03-11 00:31 <Melanie_T> well, "sending" them means to put them into offline messaging
2014-03-11 00:31 <Melanie_T> whereas "not sending" would mean dropping them on the floor
2014-03-11 00:31 <Melanie_T> so you do want to "send" them
2014-03-11 00:31 <Melanie_T> you'd just not treat offline and online users the same
2014-03-11 00:31 <Melanie_T> but instead bypass the "presence check and sim hunting" part for those known to be offline anyway
2014-03-11 00:32 <Melanie_T> and you don't want to drop them on the floor
2014-03-11 00:32 <Melanie_T> group notices are the primary means for product announcements and events
2014-03-11 00:32 <justincc> looks like diva's offline im already may handle group notice undelivered
2014-03-11 00:32 <Melanie_T> i didn't read her code yet
2014-03-11 00:33 <Melanie_T> avination addressed this a long time ago but in a different way
2014-03-11 00:33 <Melanie_T> however, doing it this way would probably be better than what we did
2014-03-11 00:34 <Melanie_T> because even though we don't "check and hunt" we do call the web service once for each user to save the message for
2014-03-11 00:34 <Melanie_T> rather than doing it once and having the php multiply it
2014-03-11 00:35 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-11 00:36 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-11 00:39 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-11 00:39 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): requires your FEEDBACK.
2014-03-11 00:44 <Lloydi> think i found a bug today. trying to run pcambot on a var region
2014-03-11 00:45 <justincc> that wouldn't surprise me.  What happens?
2014-03-11 00:46 <Lloydi> just trying to remember the msg
2014-03-11 00:46 <Lloydi> it's something like it's can't recognize the land....
2014-03-11 00:46 <Lloydi> i can recreate it
2014-03-11 00:46 <Lloydi> if you want
2014-03-11 00:47 <justincc> tbh, I'm not in a hurry - there are a hundred other bugs crying for attention
2014-03-11 00:47 <Lloydi> : Unrecognized LayerData type LandExtended
2014-03-11 00:47 <Lloydi> still it's running like an iron horse!!!
2014-03-11 00:47 <Lloydi> I'm loving it
2014-03-11 00:47 <justincc> though it would be good to be able to stress test var regions with pcampbot
2014-03-11 00:48 <Lloydi> much better then I've seen "ever"
2014-03-11 00:48 <Lloydi> and i've been with ya for years actually
2014-03-11 00:48 <justincc> it is impressively performant
2014-03-11 00:48 <Lloydi> performant....
2014-03-11 00:48 <Lloydi> i love it yea
2014-03-11 00:49 <Melanie_T> well, varregions of course needed a different and format
2014-03-11 00:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #3351 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-11 00:49 <Melanie_T> that's the major egg that had to be broken to make the varregion omelette
2014-03-11 00:49 <justincc> if pCampbot doesn't work then probably ordinary libomv bots don't work either
2014-03-11 00:49 <Lloydi> having an issue with profiles on standalone varregions also
2014-03-11 00:49 <Melanie_T> so anything that's a client will need to recognize that
2014-03-11 00:49 <justincc> esp with an error like you're describing
2014-03-11 00:49 <Lloydi> may be a config issue though
2014-03-11 00:49 <lkalif> I don't think libomv client supports that atm... well not sure
2014-03-11 00:50 <Lloydi> i was going to try and config robust this evening
2014-03-11 00:50 <Lloydi> for varregion
2014-03-11 00:51 <Lloydi> I'm like 95% their on a standalone config with everything working
2014-03-11 00:51 <Lloydi> 1024x1024, 
2014-03-11 00:51 <Lloydi> actually i was very supprised when I could add smaller regions right beside it
2014-03-11 00:51 <justincc> radams has done a lot of work on this
2014-03-11 00:52 <Lloydi> i little buggy with visuals and console 
2014-03-11 00:52 <Melanie_T> i believe there are some detail issues to be sroted out for nonequal size neighbors
2014-03-11 00:52 <justincc> but it is a very complex change
2014-03-11 00:52 <Lloydi> but it's working!!!!
2014-03-11 00:52 <Lloydi> yea
2014-03-11 00:52 <Melanie_T> but the general principle is sound and allows it
2014-03-11 00:52 <Lloydi> I watched the bugs in aurora trying to get it working
2014-03-11 00:52 <Lloydi> for a looong time
2014-03-11 00:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3351: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3351/
2014-03-11 00:52 <osjenkins> jjustincc: After an object with KeyframeMotion is copied into inventory, resume the motion (previously it remained stopped)
2014-03-11 00:53 <osmantis> Bug #6948:04 [PATCH] Resume motion of objects with KeyframeMotion  after they were copied into inventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6948 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-11 00:53 <Melanie_T> justincc: that is "take copy" of a moving object?
2014-03-11 00:53 <Melanie_T> 
ACTION probably forgot that case

2014-03-11 00:53 <justincc> I believe so
2014-03-11 00:53 <Melanie_T> i believe my original code stopped the motion
2014-03-11 00:54 <Melanie_T> because otherwise whwn you rez the taken object, it starts moving
2014-03-11 00:54 <Melanie_T> very disconcerting
2014-03-11 00:54 <Melanie_T> but i covered only tae
2014-03-11 00:54 <Melanie_T> take
2014-03-11 00:54 <Melanie_T> not take copy :/
2014-03-11 00:59 <Lloydi> i'm getting a huge amount of warnings about this "No way to resolve conflict between "Iconic.zip"... during compile.. Is there somthing I need to update to make this disappear?
2014-03-11 01:00 <justincc> you're compiling master?
2014-03-11 01:00 <Lloydi> yea varregion
2014-03-11 01:00 <justincc> how are you compiling?
2014-03-11 01:00 <Lloydi> default
2014-03-11 01:00 <Lloydi> all
2014-03-11 01:00 <Lloydi> lol
2014-03-11 01:01 <justincc> "nant all"?
2014-03-11 01:01 <Lloydi> no
2014-03-11 01:01 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-11 01:01 <Lloydi> actually run prebuild then with VS 2010
2014-03-11 01:02 <justincc> ok, so my first suspcicion is that you have old dlls around which are referencing older ionic stuff, or similar
2014-03-11 01:02 <justincc> easiest in this case is to start in a fresh directory.  Slightly harder is to manually remove all OpenSim*.dll in bin before rebuilding
2014-03-11 01:02 <Lloydi> I do
2014-03-11 01:02 <justincc> if you were using nant I would say "nant clean" but you're not
2014-03-11 01:02 <Lloydi> it's a fresh dir
2014-03-11 01:03 <Lloydi> thinking where I may use those dll's on something else
2014-03-11 01:03 <Lloydi> installed
2014-03-11 01:03 <Lloydi> not?
2014-03-11 01:03 <justincc> I doublt it's a clash with anything external
2014-03-11 01:03 <Lloydi> k
2014-03-11 01:03 <justincc> maybe you could pastebin the exact output
2014-03-11 01:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #3352 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-11 01:04 <Lloydi> http://pastebin.com/eBcdkmJC
2014-03-11 01:05 <Lloydi> it compiles without errors
2014-03-11 01:05 <Lloydi> so i'm happy, just wondering if it would cause issues during config
2014-03-11 01:05 <Melanie_T> justincc: do you think we can differentiate the naming a bit?
2014-03-11 01:06 <Melanie_T> the flag "RegionReady" could be confused with the RegionReady module and people may be led to believe that they need to configure and start that module
2014-03-11 01:06 <justincc> Lloydi: it's not going to be a probem here, the references to the dll are the same but for some reason one exists with a public key token and one without
2014-03-11 01:07 <Lloydi> good deal... Thank you!
2014-03-11 01:07 <justincc> Melanie_T: they are the same thing
2014-03-11 01:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3352: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3352/
2014-03-11 01:08 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Don't start KeyframeMotion timers until all the regions are ready. This prevents problems in megaregions (prims that think they've crossed over to other regions).
2014-03-11 01:08 <Melanie_T> so that means having keyframe motion timers start (and keyframe to work) now requires the region ready module?
2014-03-11 01:08 <Melanie_T> that should not be necessary because that module also messages all scripts and that is not always desired
2014-03-11 01:08 <Melanie_T> that module should remain optional
2014-03-11 01:10 <Melanie_T> keyframe motions are a core thing - they should not depend on an optional module
2014-03-11 01:10 <justincc> no, if regionready is not active then ready is always true
2014-03-11 01:10 <justincc> they do not
2014-03-11 01:10 <Melanie_T> ok
2014-03-11 01:10 <Melanie_T> i'd just as soon remove regionready as i consider it a hack
2014-03-11 01:10 <Melanie_T> but people use it so it stays
2014-03-11 01:10 <Melanie_T> i still don't have to like it
2014-03-11 01:10 <justincc> why is it a hack?
2014-03-11 01:10 <Melanie_T> it's highly xengine specific
2014-03-11 01:11 <Melanie_T> any other script engine has no need for it
2014-03-11 01:12 <Melanie_T> but as i said, i'm not lobbying for removal - just don't want it made mandatory
2014-03-11 01:13 <osmantis> Bug #6947:04 [PATCH] Fixed disappearing prims that use KeyframeMotion, with megaregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6947 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-11 01:17 <justincc> ok, time to get some rest now.  Goodnight folks
2014-03-11 03:51 <osmantis> Bug #7053:04 Terrain editing causes high cpu usage for several minutes on minor editing. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7053 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-03-11 03:54 <osmantis> Bug #7008:04 Varregion Terrain very slow to load when teleporting in. Much slower than same exact oars loaded on a mega region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7008 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-03-11 04:23 <osmantis> Bug #7052:04 Map tiles no longer show in Map Tool in Viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7052 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-03-11 04:24 <osmantis> Bug #7052:04 [PATCH] Map tiles no longer show in Map Tool in Viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7052 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-03-11 05:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #3353 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-11 05:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3353: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3353/
2014-03-11 05:10 <osjenkins> misterblue: Change terrain update sending to be triggered by frame tick rather
2014-03-11 05:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #3354 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-11 05:14 <osmantis> Bug #7028:04 [PATCH] PhysicalPrimMax to 64m for ini Default files to enable standard size prims and mesh to be used with vehicles. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7028 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-11 05:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3354: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3354/
2014-03-11 05:17 <osjenkins> * misterblue: PhysicalPrimMax to 64m for ini Default files to enable standard size prims and mesh to be used with vehicles.
2014-03-11 05:17 <osjenkins> * misterblue: PhysicalPrimMax 64m for OpenSim_ini_example standard size prim
2014-03-11 05:17 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Add Lani Global to CONTRIBUTORS.txt
2014-03-11 05:19 <nebadon_> hey Misterblue
2014-03-11 05:19 <nebadon_> did you see this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6LmH8Yv2C4
2014-03-11 05:19 <Plugh> Hey, nebadon.
2014-03-11 05:19 <nebadon_> hey Plugh
2014-03-11 05:20 <Plugh> Got an odd problem. A user had a problem with their account. Got things more or less fixed but items they create show  Unknown UserUMMAU4 for creator. They cleared viewer cache but that didn't help.
2014-03-11 05:20 <Plugh> Any ideas?
2014-03-11 05:21 <nebadon_> hmm
2014-03-11 05:21 <nebadon_> was the region restarted?
2014-03-11 05:21 <nebadon_> its probably cached in the user name cache
2014-03-11 05:21 <Plugh> Oh, ok.
2014-03-11 05:21 <dahlia> interesting video nebadon_ but I kinda thought aurora was stagnant and just about everyone left for the fork?
2014-03-11 05:21 <Plugh> nebadon_: That will happen in the morning.
2014-03-11 05:21 <nebadon_> not sure dahlia i dont follow development there at all, someone else pasted the video
2014-03-11 05:21 <Thonneve> Aurora got forked?
2014-03-11 05:22 <nebadon_> I just though maybe it was some code we could look at
2014-03-11 05:22 <nebadon_> make terrain editing better in opensim
2014-03-11 05:22 <dahlia> ya the fork is called "whitecore"
2014-03-11 05:22 <Plugh> Thonneve: yes, it did.
2014-03-11 05:22 <Thonneve> Oh damn
2014-03-11 05:23 <Plugh> No idea how many people are working on the fork.
2014-03-11 05:23 <Ken_S> I watch aurora-dev and there has been virtually no activity there in ages
2014-03-11 05:23 <Ken_S> But there may be a new channel for the fork, idk
2014-03-11 05:23 <Thonneve> There hasn't been updates in 3 months or so?
2014-03-11 05:24 <Plugh> Aurora dev is dead at the moment.
2014-03-11 05:24 <Thonneve> I guess rev dissapeared or something
2014-03-11 05:24 <dahlia> I thought it was fly-man who forked it but Im not sure
2014-03-11 05:25 <Ken_S> White Star forked it I think
2014-03-11 05:25 <Thonneve> It was whitesomething I believe
2014-03-11 05:25 <Thonneve> White star sounds familiar yeah
2014-03-11 05:38 <djphil_> Aurora-Sim forked is WhiteCore (Fly-man and Greytane)
2014-03-11 05:58 <Misterblue> I will have improved terrain editting in OpenSim soon... and terrain updating
2014-03-11 05:58 <djphil_> yeah this is a good thing
2014-03-11 05:59 <Ken_S> Faster var terrain updating will be GREATLY appreciated Mr. Blue.
2014-03-11 05:59 <djphil_> Have you tested terraforming in aurora
2014-03-11 05:59 <djphil_> it works very well and is pretty much terraform smoth
2014-03-11 06:00 <Misterblue> is 'terraforming' different than terrain editting?
2014-03-11 06:00 <djphil_> What's this then?
2014-03-11 06:02 <Misterblue> I was asking if Aurora had other terrain operations for 'terraforming' that were different than quicker/faster terrain editting
2014-03-11 06:02 <LiruCookies> I think they are the same, Misterblue, the land tab of build floater right?(rightmost square at the top)
2014-03-11 06:02 <dahlia> I'd probably considr "terraforming" and "terrain editing" to be the same thing, assuming a user is doing it from the viewer
2014-03-11 06:03 <dahlia> but terrain editing could also be done by a script or other program
2014-03-11 06:03 <dahlia> hmmm now that I think about it, i guess that would be terraforming also.... never mind :)
2014-03-11 06:04 <LiruCookies> Changing the form of land/terra/terrain
2014-03-11 06:04 <djphil_> here is terraon console command of Aurora-Sim
2014-03-11 06:04 <djphil_> http://pastebin.com/hmfzygUf
2014-03-11 06:04 <dahlia> djphil_: are those different than opensim?
2014-03-11 06:06 <Misterblue> those look the same as in OpenSim... although I want to add more parameters
2014-03-11 06:06 <djphil_> here is opensim : http://pastebin.com/iDAwA3WS
2014-03-11 06:07 <dahlia> those terrain commands have been there for ages, long before aurora ever existed
2014-03-11 06:07 <Thonneve> Iirc there where a lot of terrain changes at one point, but I may be mistaken
2014-03-11 06:07 <Misterblue> boy, Pastebin has gone ad crazy... there are like 40 sites getting refs from each page
2014-03-11 06:08 <dahlia> I know the brushes in opensim were pretty bad for a long time
2014-03-11 06:08 <Ken_S> Misterblue, did you happen to see my note regarding the secret to make ODE boats work in Bulletsim?
2014-03-11 06:09 <djphil_> I just see a different: "terrain stats"
2014-03-11 06:09 <djphil_> Aurora-Sim also has a module "fractal terrain"
2014-03-11 06:10 <Misterblue> I did Ken_S, I will look into that soon
2014-03-11 06:10 <djphil_> i have never tested brush in Aurora (and OS). ^^
2014-03-11 06:51 <Thonneve> Wheres the stuff in opensim.ini for enable os functions?
2014-03-11 06:51 <nebadon_> [Xengine] section
2014-03-11 06:52 <Thonneve> And is it still AllowOSFunctions = UUIDHERE?
2014-03-11 06:55 <nebadon_> ya
2014-03-11 06:55 <nebadon_> there are other methods too
2014-03-11 06:55 <nebadon_> read the notes
2014-03-11 06:56 <Thonneve> I checked them out, but I get the feeling I have a wierd opensim.ini
2014-03-11 07:01 <Thonneve> I think I broke it now...
2014-03-11 07:02 <Thonneve> http://sprunge.us/GXBJ
2014-03-11 07:02 <Thonneve> Can you see anything wrong with that?
2014-03-11 07:03 <Thonneve> It's completely broken my scripting somehow
2014-03-11 07:06 <nebadon_> AllowMODFunctions
2014-03-11 07:06 <nebadon_> this is wrong
2014-03-11 07:07 <nebadon_> it a yes no on this one
2014-03-11 07:07 <nebadon_> or true false
2014-03-11 07:07 <Thonneve> Oh right
2014-03-11 07:07 <Thonneve> I thought you could put a UUID there aswell
2014-03-11 07:07 <Thonneve> Is it the same for AllowOsFunctions? or does that allow uuids?
2014-03-11 07:14 <Thonneve> Can I just use Allow_Severe?
2014-03-11 09:57 <osmantis> Bug #7052:04 [PATCH] Map tiles no longer show in Map Tool in Viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7052 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-11 10:09 <osmantis> Bug #7028:04 [PATCH] PhysicalPrimMax to 64m for ini Default files to enable standard size prims and mesh to be used with vehicles. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7028 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-03-11 12:35 <osmantis> Bug #7052:04 [PATCH] Map tiles no longer show in Map Tool in Viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7052 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-11 12:43 <Lloydi> Good Day everyone!
2014-03-11 12:44 <|-fInE-|> hello Lloydi
2014-03-11 12:44 <osmantis> Bug #7052:04 [PATCH] Map tiles no longer show in Map Tool in Viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7052 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-11 14:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #3355 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-11 14:17 <osmantis> Bug #7053:04 Terrain editing causes high cpu usage for several minutes on minor editing. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7053 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-11 14:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3355: SUCCESS in 3 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3355/
2014-03-11 14:20 <osjenkins> misterblue: varregion: remove serialization of region terrain to floats when sending patches.
2014-03-11 15:25 <nebadon2> misterblueAFK that last patch works pretty good
2014-03-11 15:28 <osmantis> Bug #7053:04 Terrain editing causes high cpu usage for several minutes on minor editing. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7053 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-11 15:30 <Ken_S> nebadon2, thats odd, just updated and Im not noticing any noticable change on a 6x6 var.
2014-03-11 15:30 <Ken_S> Maybe memory situation is better though.
2014-03-11 15:36 <nebadon2> Ken_S are you experiencing any kind of issues in particular?
2014-03-11 15:36 <nebadon2> i dont use the terrain tools much
2014-03-11 15:36 <nebadon2> it seems to be working pretty good for me
2014-03-11 15:36 <nebadon2> im in a 768x768 var
2014-03-11 15:36 <Ken_S> Just very slow terrain loading on login or tp to the var
2014-03-11 15:36 <Ken_S> Mine is 6x6 256 regions
2014-03-11 15:37 <nebadon2> i have 4 768x768 neighbors in a square
2014-03-11 15:37 <nebadon2> let me relog and watch again
2014-03-11 15:38 <nebadon2> Ken_S i dont even see the terrain loading at all
2014-03-11 15:38 <nebadon2> its just 100% visible as soon as my avatar is
2014-03-11 15:39 <Ken_S> It starts loading the perimeter first in a clockwise direction spiraling in until the center it loaded.
2014-03-11 15:39 <nebadon2> before I used to see it load in a circular pattern towards center
2014-03-11 15:39 <Ken_S> Mine reloads 100% of the time
2014-03-11 15:39 <nebadon2> mine is terrain fill 21
2014-03-11 15:39 <nebadon2> maybe that is why
2014-03-11 15:39 <Ken_S> Let me re-pull and update all again.
2014-03-11 15:39 <nebadon2> k
2014-03-11 15:39 <Ken_S> Maybe something didnt update right
2014-03-11 15:39 <nebadon2> let me rough up my terrain a bit
2014-03-11 15:40 <Ken_S> My terrain has a lot of variety, hills islands ocean etc.
2014-03-11 15:44 <Ken_S> It draws the terrain in what appears to be about 10 meter wide strips starting from outside in.
2014-03-11 15:44 <nebadon2> ok ya wow
2014-03-11 15:44 <Ken_S> Recompiled and restarting again now.
2014-03-11 15:44 <nebadon2> now its really slow loading
2014-03-11 15:44 <nebadon2> bizzare
2014-03-11 15:44 <Lloydi> me too!!!
2014-03-11 15:44 <Lloydi> lol
2014-03-11 15:44 <nebadon2> however its still faster than before I think
2014-03-11 15:44 <Ken_S> So its the variety of terrain doing it
2014-03-11 15:45 <Lloydi> recompiling and gonna try and config a hypergrid...
2014-03-11 15:45 <nebadon2> but its noticeably slower than terrain fill 21
2014-03-11 15:45 <Lloydi> or grid.. 
2014-03-11 15:45 <cmickeyb> are these var regions? 
2014-03-11 15:45 <cmickeyb> regular sized?
2014-03-11 15:45 <Ken_S> Yea, I'll time the terrain load on the 6x6 when it restarts
2014-03-11 15:45 <Lloydi> varregions
2014-03-11 15:45 <nebadon2> var cmickeyb
2014-03-11 15:45 <cmickeyb> the terrain queue bw is really low by default ... but thats not new
2014-03-11 15:46 <cmickeyb> do a show throttles
2014-03-11 15:46 <Ken_S> Mine is a 6x6 var
2014-03-11 15:46 <Ken_S> Terrain loading on these same oars on a mega was much faster
2014-03-11 15:46 <cmickeyb> yeah
2014-03-11 15:46 <cmickeyb> because you had multiple queues
2014-03-11 15:46 <Lloydi> 1536?
2014-03-11 15:47 <cmickeyb> let me make sure i have it right
2014-03-11 15:47 <cmickeyb> its the terrain queue number
2014-03-11 15:47 <cmickeyb> so here's the diff between mega & var with terrain
2014-03-11 15:47 <nebadon2> I wonder why terrain fill 21 loads almost instantly
2014-03-11 15:47 <nebadon2> you dont see the loading pattern at all, the terrain is just visible
2014-03-11 15:47 <cmickeyb> with mega you had multiple terrain connections ot hte server
2014-03-11 15:47 <nebadon2> rough up the terrain a little bit and it takes literally 4-5 times longer to loa
2014-03-11 15:47 <cmickeyb> (that was the only thing that came from the non-lower-left region)
2014-03-11 15:48 <cmickeyb> but with var you have *one* outbound queue
2014-03-11 15:48 <cmickeyb> and the bw on terrain is set by viewers to be crazy low
2014-03-11 15:48 <cmickeyb> so with mega's you get one queue per region
2014-03-11 15:48 <Lloydi> I found 1024x1024 works wonderfully.. any larger needs nice mysql cache seems to help for terrain mods
2014-03-11 15:48 <cmickeyb> with var you get one queue period
2014-03-11 15:49 <Lloydi> also bots have an issue with large terrains now
2014-03-11 15:49 <cmickeyb> i'm running 1536x1536
2014-03-11 15:50 <Lloydi>  Unrecognized LayerData type LandExtended
2014-03-11 15:50 <cmickeyb> hmm...
2014-03-11 15:50 <cmickeyb> did this just start?
2014-03-11 15:50 <cmickeyb> that is... is the var region behavior working before and broken now?
2014-03-11 15:50 <Lloydi> buid from a few days ago
2014-03-11 15:50 <cmickeyb> or is the var to mega
2014-03-11 15:51 <cmickeyb> hmm... misterblueAFK just commited a terrain change this morning... 
2014-03-11 15:51 <Lloydi> also can't can profiles to work on a standalone varregion for some reason
2014-03-11 15:51 <Ken_S> The vars have been slow loading since day 1.  I dont think Aurora has this issue with vars, but I dont use aurora.
2014-03-11 15:51 <Lloydi> anyone else running into that?
2014-03-11 15:52 <cmickeyb> like i said... unless you screw around with the throttles sent by the viewer... terrain is going to be slow
2014-03-11 15:52 <Ken_S> Map and other things dont work for me on a var until the terrain is fully loaded.
2014-03-11 15:52 <Lloydi> I've used it for a while but not sure where it's heading now
2014-03-11 15:52 <cmickeyb> the terrain throttle is set *really* low by most viewers
2014-03-11 15:52 <Lloydi> aurora
2014-03-11 15:52 <Lloydi> don't use it anymore
2014-03-11 15:53 <cmickeyb> i've been thinking about doing some work on the throttles to make terrain borrow from the other throttles "early" in a session
2014-03-11 15:53 <Lloydi> does that cause the initial scrolling of terrain yea, how do we increase that.. it takes a while for the large terrain to load
2014-03-11 15:53 <cmickeyb> since its mostly just wasted bw late in the session
2014-03-11 15:53 <cmickeyb> give me a minute to get my region up & i'll walk you through the show throttles output
2014-03-11 15:54 <cmickeyb> basically... you set the max bw in the viewer
2014-03-11 15:54 <cmickeyb> but the viewer breaks that up into a bunch of separate throttles that it sends to the simulator
2014-03-11 15:55 <Ken_S> So max out the BW in the viewer might help?
2014-03-11 15:55 <cmickeyb> yes
2014-03-11 15:55 <cmickeyb> definitely
2014-03-11 15:55 <cmickeyb> but not as much as you think... at least for terrain
2014-03-11 15:55 <cmickeyb> because the viewer sets the terrain throttle at something like 1/10 of the total bw
2014-03-11 15:55 <cmickeyb> that whole scheme is completely borked
2014-03-11 15:56 <cmickeyb> but... to respect the "viewer" we're kind of screwed
2014-03-11 15:56 <cmickeyb> if you look at show throttles on the region console
2014-03-11 15:56 <cmickeyb> the Land throttle is the one for sending terrain
2014-03-11 15:57 <Ken_S> I maxed out the BW on the viewer and really cant tell any noticable difference
2014-03-11 15:57 <cmickeyb> the throttles in the simulator are adaptive by default (because long distance connections really suck if the viewer bw is higher than what the internet can actually handle for udp packets)
2014-03-11 15:58 <cmickeyb> older versions of singularity do not respect any changes in bw over 1500kpbs
2014-03-11 15:58 <cmickeyb> which viewer?
2014-03-11 15:58 <Ken_S> Sing but can try FS next
2014-03-11 15:59 <cmickeyb> like i said... any singularity pre-late january does not have the fix for bw setting over 1500kbps
2014-03-11 15:59 <cmickeyb> firestorm maxes at 3mpbs which is better
2014-03-11 15:59 <cmickeyb> newer singularity goes to 5mbps which works really well
2014-03-11 15:59 <Ken_S> I am using the latest sing alpha though
2014-03-11 15:59 <cmickeyb> ok 
2014-03-11 15:59 <Ken_S> 1 week old
2014-03-11 16:00 <cmickeyb> that should actually send the right throttles
2014-03-11 16:00 <cmickeyb> for high bw
2014-03-11 16:00 <Ken_S> OK, could not tell any difference
2014-03-11 16:00 <cmickeyb> what is the number for your land throttle?
2014-03-11 16:01 <Ken_S> cmickeyb, how do I find that value?
2014-03-11 16:01 <cmickeyb> show throttles
2014-03-11 16:01 <cmickeyb> on the region console
2014-03-11 16:01 <cmickeyb> you'll see a total
2014-03-11 16:01 <cmickeyb> plus the actual 7 throttles
2014-03-11 16:01 <cmickeyb> resend
2014-03-11 16:01 <cmickeyb> land
2014-03-11 16:01 <cmickeyb> wind
2014-03-11 16:01 <cmickeyb> cloud
2014-03-11 16:01 <cmickeyb> task
2014-03-11 16:01 <cmickeyb> texture
2014-03-11 16:01 <cmickeyb> asset
2014-03-11 16:02 <cmickeyb> and...
2014-03-11 16:02 <cmickeyb> just to show how bad things are...
2014-03-11 16:02 <Ken_S> This only shows values when an AV is on the sim?
2014-03-11 16:02 <cmickeyb> yes
2014-03-11 16:02 <Ken_S> ok need to log back in...
2014-03-11 16:03 <cmickeyb> one of the recent fixes i put in grabs the bw in the texture throttle & assigns it to the task queue
2014-03-11 16:03 <cmickeyb> to make prim updates better
2014-03-11 16:03 <cmickeyb> i'm thinking i need to do something to grab more bw for the land throttle
2014-03-11 16:06 <cmickeyb> Ken_S, if you have adaptive throttles enabled (the default) then the throttles will grow up to the max specified by the viewer
2014-03-11 16:06 <cmickeyb> but in a region with even a small number of prims that happens pretty quickly
2014-03-11 16:08 <Ken_S> cmickeyb, terrain took 3 minutes 10 seconds to load on the 6x6 var
2014-03-11 16:08 <cmickeyb> hmm...
2014-03-11 16:08 <Ken_S> I dont see land when I use show throttles
2014-03-11 16:09 <Ken_S> Found it
2014-03-11 16:09 <cmickeyb> do you get total, rsend, land, wind, cloud, task
2014-03-11 16:09 <cmickeyb> ok
2014-03-11 16:09 <cmickeyb> :-)
2014-03-11 16:09 <Ken_S> Windows was covering it.
2014-03-11 16:09 <Ken_S> Server agent Rates for land is 73
2014-03-11 16:10 <Ken_S> Its 58 for my AV
2014-03-11 16:10 <Ken_S> Columns are out of place so hope I am giving you the right numbers
2014-03-11 16:10 <cmickeyb> hmm
2014-03-11 16:10 <cmickeyb> 58 is *bad*
2014-03-11 16:10 <cmickeyb> i have a 1536x1536 region
2014-03-11 16:10 <cmickeyb> with 40K prims
2014-03-11 16:11 <cmickeyb> that *completely* loaded in less than a minute
2014-03-11 16:11 <cmickeyb> Ken_S, what is the server agent rate for totals?
2014-03-11 16:11 <Ken_S> 800
2014-03-11 16:12 <cmickeyb> oh
2014-03-11 16:12 <cmickeyb> i wonder if the default bw settins in opensim are really low
2014-03-11 16:12 <cmickeyb> i thought those were turned off by default
2014-03-11 16:13 <cmickeyb> here's what i have for the lindenudp settings in opensim.ini
2014-03-11 16:13 <cmickeyb> [ClientStack.LindenUDP:Site]
2014-03-11 16:13 <cmickeyb> async_packet_handling = true
2014-03-11 16:13 <cmickeyb> client_socket_rcvbuf_size = 8388608
2014-03-11 16:13 <cmickeyb> ; values are bytes per second
2014-03-11 16:13 <cmickeyb> scene_throttle_max_bps = 20000000
2014-03-11 16:13 <cmickeyb> client_throttle_max_bps = 20000000
2014-03-11 16:13 <cmickeyb> enable_adaptive_throttles = true            
2014-03-11 16:13 <cmickeyb> CannibalizeTextureRate = 0.8
2014-03-11 16:13 <Ken_S> Let me look and see if adaptive throttling is set on this var
2014-03-11 16:13 <cmickeyb> scene and client throttle are set really high
2014-03-11 16:13 <cmickeyb> so my server agent rate total is like 160Mbps
2014-03-11 16:13 <cmickeyb> 160000
2014-03-11 16:15 <Ken_S> Let me try your settings.
2014-03-11 16:15 <Ken_S> What was in there was remaining from when those features were first added
2014-03-11 16:16 <cmickeyb> looking at the code... in theory the client throttle is disabled by default (so it should go high) but the default throttles are really low
2014-03-11 16:17 <cmickeyb> the viewer *should* override those
2014-03-11 16:17 <cmickeyb> ok... the scene throttle is off by default as well
2014-03-11 16:17 <cmickeyb> unless you put in explicit scene/client throttles those should be off
2014-03-11 16:18 <Ken_S> Waiting on restart to try again
2014-03-11 16:18 <Ken_S> There were explicit throttles in there.
2014-03-11 16:18 <Ken_S> They were values I was told to use when the throttles were first added.
2014-03-11 16:21 <cmickeyb> just ran my startup again... i'm getting full scene load in less than a minute
2014-03-11 16:21 <cmickeyb> (tried both singularity and firestorm)
2014-03-11 16:21 <Lloydi> 6x6 wow
2014-03-11 16:22 <Lloydi> have you tried placing a bot on your region
2014-03-11 16:22 <Ken_S> cmickeyb, yes that helped.  It only took 52 seconds that time
2014-03-11 16:23 <Lloydi> and are userprofiles working
2014-03-11 16:23 <cmickeyb> outstanding!
2014-03-11 16:23 <Ken_S> Yes, MUCH better.
2014-03-11 16:23 <cmickeyb> i'm still going to putz around with cannibalizing bw from somewhere to make terrain loads faster
2014-03-11 16:23 <cmickeyb> need some more experimentation to see which of the throttles are actually being used
2014-03-11 16:23 <cmickeyb> with http textures, i know that one is unused for the most part
2014-03-11 16:24 <Ken_S> User profiles are working fine on my var
2014-03-11 16:24 <cmickeyb> don't know how the asset throttle is used
2014-03-11 16:24 <Ken_S> I am using the v2 profiles
2014-03-11 16:24 <cmickeyb> anyway...
2014-03-11 16:24 <cmickeyb> glad its better!
2014-03-11 16:24 <Lloydi> how do you have it config Ken, grid, standalone?
2014-03-11 16:24 <Dev_Random> Lloydi:  what is about bots that's not working for you?
2014-03-11 16:24 <Lloydi> hg
2014-03-11 16:24 <Ken_S> Yes, would be even better if terrain loaded first around the area where the AV was, but its livable now
2014-03-11 16:25 <Ken_S> It is connected to OSGrid
2014-03-11 16:25 <Lloydi> im getting " Unrecognized LayerData type LandExtended" running pcampbot
2014-03-11 16:25 <Ken_S> I dont have any standalone instances
2014-03-11 16:25 <Lloydi> on a 1024x1024 standalone var
2014-03-11 16:26 <Lloydi> oh gotcha Ken
2014-03-11 16:26 <Ken_S> I dont know anything about pcampbot, other than I recall seeing someone update it recently
2014-03-11 16:26 <Lloydi> I thought about trying to config one
2014-03-11 16:28 <Lloydi> a region connected to osgrid
2014-03-11 16:28 <Lloydi> so how does that size fit into their grid locations
2014-03-11 16:28 <Lloydi> guess you gotta pick out a section first that will fit huh
2014-03-11 16:35 <Ken_S> Lloydi, go to osgrid.org, get and use their map functions to find open coordinates
2014-03-11 16:36 <Lloydi> gotcha, yea I setup a normal region once but haven't tried a var yet
2014-03-11 16:40 <Lloydi> osgrid total user looks to hit six figures soon.. wow
2014-03-11 16:41 <smxy>  Yeah, but how many are ever logged in at once ...
2014-03-11 16:42 <smxy> Still, that's an impressive number.
2014-03-11 16:44 <Lloydi> true
2014-03-11 16:56 <osmantis> Bug #7034:04 Warp3D Map Tiles Steep Sided Hills Show Blue - too similar to water 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7034 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-03-11 17:02 <osmantis> Bug #7034:04 Warp3D Map Tiles Steep Sided Hills Show Blue - too similar to water 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7034 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-11 17:03 <|-fInE-|> wow Mcdonalds have Clubhouse Burger .. i think today its Burgerday :D 
2014-03-11 17:05 <osmantis> Bug #7008:04 Varregion Terrain very slow to load when teleporting in. Much slower than same exact oars loaded on a mega region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7008 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-11 17:05 <|-fInE-|> or a Double Quarter Pounder with Cheese :D 
2014-03-11 17:08 <|-fInE-|> anyone here loving mcdonalds? :D
2014-03-11 17:09 <orenh> diva: when Robust creates the "My Suitcase" folder, it doesn't notify the client
2014-03-11 17:09 <orenh> so users have to restart their viewer in order to see it
2014-03-11 17:09 <orenh> is there a way to send a notification to the client, so that it will update immediately?
2014-03-11 17:11 <orenh> I know we need to call client.SendBulkUpdateInventory()
2014-03-11 17:11 <orenh> But there doesn't seem to be any API that lets Robust tell the Scene to send that UDP packet by itself
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2014-03-11 19:55 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-11 19:58 <osmantis> Bug #7046:04 Need console commands to create a new estate and change the estate assigned to an existing region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7046 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-11 20:38 <diva> orenh: correct. there isn't such API
2014-03-11 21:06 <osmantis> Bug #7024:04 llSetKeyframedMotion stopped working with 0.7.6.1 Release 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7024 ): requires your FEEDBACK.
2014-03-11 21:24 <SignpostMarv> opensim needs a better screenshot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSimulator
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2014-03-11 22:30 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-11 22:31 <H-H-H> hi guys, this might seem like a stupid question but how do i change the maturity rating of a region?
2014-03-11 22:33 <justinccAfk> in singularity viewer, at least, in World menu, under region/estate, in Region Tab, there is a rating dropdown
2014-03-11 22:34 <LiruCookies> alt-r for region estate
2014-03-11 22:34 <LiruCookies> Firestorm does that
2014-03-11 22:34 <H-H-H> im playing  with the search module and just found out after looking at the code and the responses from opensim that the regions by default are set to mature and Singu at least defaults to onlly allowing PG content so never showed anything 
2014-03-11 22:35 <LiruCookies> General prefs to fix that, H-H-H 
2014-03-11 22:36 <justincc> that used to be the case in older opensim, but newer opensim has default rating as PG because of those kinds of issues
2014-03-11 22:36 <justincc> at least since 0.7.6 I believe
2014-03-11 22:36 <H-H-H> ty to both LiruCookies and justincc for your answers :)
2014-03-11 22:37 <justincc> yw
2014-03-11 22:37 <H-H-H> im running master and just created a region in grid mode and it defaulted to mature :|
2014-03-11 22:38 <justincc> that's very surprising, since there's only one place that it's set afaik
2014-03-11 22:38 <justincc> how did you create the region?
2014-03-11 22:39 <H-H-H> in console 
2014-03-11 22:40 <H-H-H> will re try incase im going nuts
2014-03-11 22:40 <justincc> mmm, I practically never do it from console - could be there's another non-obvious place that it's being set, though that would stil be somewhat surprising to me
2014-03-11 22:41 <LiruCookies> Looks like code duplication is culprit?
2014-03-11 22:44 <justincc> I would be surprised
2014-03-11 22:44 <justincc> only set in one place
2014-03-11 22:44 <H-H-H> My apologies justincc im now standing on a new pimple and it is rated PG 
2014-03-11 22:44 <justincc> well maybe 2
2014-03-11 22:44 <justincc> H-H-H: ok
2014-03-11 23:28 <justincc> you around, nebadon_?
2014-03-11 23:35 <melanie_> this may not even be set explicitly in code
2014-03-11 23:35 <melanie_> it may be a default on the relevant database column
2014-03-11 23:36 <melanie_> pg, mature and adult use the magic numbers 13, 18 and 42
2014-03-11 23:36 <melanie_> the code may have magic numbers somewhere instead of enums
2014-03-11 23:36 <melanie_> that code is pretty old
2014-03-11 23:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #3356 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-11 23:40 <|-fInE-|> success sounds good :D
2014-03-11 23:40 <melanie_> justincc: will this fix the issue where sometimes a sim-sized parcel will exist, overlapping the actually visible parcels?
2014-03-11 23:40 <justincc> hopefully
2014-03-11 23:41 <melanie_> what i meant is, is this a fix that addresses that issue
2014-03-11 23:41 <melanie_> the issue is very old
2014-03-11 23:41 <justincc> really?  I've only heard it reported recently
2014-03-11 23:41 <melanie_> been around for years
2014-03-11 23:41 <melanie_> easy fix is to delete the parcels and restart
2014-03-11 23:42 <melanie_> you get a sim sized one and just reparcel
2014-03-11 23:42 <justincc> I wouldn't call that easy, big pita
2014-03-11 23:42 <melanie_> the more difficult one is database surgery
2014-03-11 23:42 <melanie_> because the parcel bitmaps aren't really human readable
2014-03-11 23:42 <justincc> if the parvel is an overlay, just deleting the overlay entry should restore things
2014-03-11 23:43 <melanie_> well, we've seen it 3 or 4 times in avination over these past 4 years
2014-03-11 23:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3356: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3356/
2014-03-11 23:43 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Instead of auto-creating a parcel on request if one doesn't cover a given location, fill in gaps or extend existing parcel right after initial data load.
2014-03-11 23:43 <melanie_> so, not enough times to find the reason
2014-03-11 23:43 <melanie_> the customers want it fixed so we fix it
2014-03-11 23:43 <melanie_> no time for forensics
2014-03-11 23:43 <melanie_> issue is too rare to care
2014-03-11 23:43 <justincc> yeah, this particular thing is a recent big upswing in the issue
2014-03-11 23:44 <justincc> but I'm working with very recent changes from radams, so I'm not sure it would impact a much older issue.  I'm surprised there's an issue since looking through the code it shouldn't be possible
2014-03-11 23:44 <justincc> but who knows, this thing is so compliated
2014-03-11 23:46 <Ken_S> I never had the issue until a few weeks ago
2014-03-11 23:47 <melanie_> land is a mess
2014-03-11 23:47 <Ken_S> Since then its happened about 8-10 times
2014-03-11 23:48 <|-fInE-|> anybody know where opensim stores the current ip adress at startup ?
2014-03-11 23:50 <justincc> scene.RegionInfo.RegionSettings.ExternalEndPoint
2014-03-11 23:50 <|-fInE-|> ty
2014-03-11 23:50 <melanie_> be careful
2014-03-11 23:50 <melanie_> that is a getter, not a variable
2014-03-11 23:50 <melanie_> means, using the value is more costly than a simple looku
2014-03-11 23:51 <melanie_> ifyou need it more than once, cache a copy
2014-03-11 23:51 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-11 23:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #3357 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-11 23:59 <danbanner> justincc: still seeing a "19:58:15 - [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE]: Cannot add parcel "Your Parcel"," message but it wasnt able to create it
2014-03-12 00:00 <|-fInE-|> one silly question .. why is the reception of map data disabled in the source ? 
2014-03-12 00:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3357: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3357/
2014-03-12 00:00 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Enable MapImageServiceModule with no refresh
2014-03-12 00:01 <justincc> danbanner: with this most recent update or from last time?
2014-03-12 00:01 <danbanner> just now
2014-03-12 00:01 <justincc> ok, so the thing now is to delete that spurious entry either via land clear and reparcelling or in db and see if it happens again
2014-03-12 00:01 <danbanner> OpenSim 0.8.0 Dev          86630a1:
2014-03-12 00:01 <danbanner> it wasnt able to make an entry
2014-03-12 00:02 <danbanner> lemme check the db
2014-03-12 00:02 <justincc> yeah, either it's in the db or I'm wrong about code paths and this problem is actually being triggered from a different location
2014-03-12 00:02 <justincc> danbanner: is this with variable regions at all?
2014-03-12 00:02 <danbanner> no standard region
2014-03-12 00:06 <danbanner> fixed.
2014-03-12 00:06 <danbanner> "your parcel" was in the database
2014-03-12 00:06 <justincc> |-fInE-|: I don't understand
2014-03-12 00:07 <justincc> danbanner: ok
2014-03-12 00:07 <danbanner> i removed the 3rd parcel and startup was good
2014-03-12 00:07 <danbanner> thanks
2014-03-12 00:07 <justincc> cool.  If it happens again with this code line, if you could put log snippets and sql/"land show" data on that mantis, that would be great
2014-03-12 00:08 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-12 00:09 <|-fInE-|> justincc sorry .. i saw that the map receiption of the map data (the jpeg or the other sim) is disabled in the source and i wanna know why :)
2014-03-12 00:10 <justincc> still don't know what you mean, you'll have to tel lme where in the source you're talking about
2014-03-12 00:12 <|-fInE-|> the class is MapServerPostHandler and theres the [MAP ADD SERVER CONNECTOR] it receives the map data forregion of hypergridded maps and this is commented out on the source
2014-03-12 00:13 <nebadon_> hey justincc I am now
2014-03-12 00:16 <justincc> |-fInE-|: that's not commented out in master source
2014-03-12 00:16 <justincc> nebadon_: I see you discovered the massive warp3d leakage
2014-03-12 00:17 <|-fInE-|> ah ok nice to know .. i'll download the master code then
2014-03-12 00:17 <justincc> I can't remember that particular file changing for a long time
2014-03-12 00:18 <nebadon_> yea
2014-03-12 00:18 <nebadon_> those settings have no business being in those ini files that is for sure
2014-03-12 00:18 <nebadon_> no idea how they got there honestly
2014-03-12 00:19 <nebadon_> with the original tiler it wouldnt have made any difference
2014-03-12 00:20 <justincc> honestly, really the leaks in warp3d fixing, which I expect are all down to it not disposing of GDI objects
2014-03-12 00:20 <nebadon_> ya could be
2014-03-12 00:20 <justincc> but regenerating tiles there is a quick path to running out of memory
2014-03-12 00:20 <nebadon_> the interesting thing is on the initial startup it doesnt happen
2014-03-12 00:20 <nebadon_> its only when it runs on a timer that it occurs
2014-03-12 00:20 <justincc> it does, you just don't notice it
2014-03-12 00:20 <nebadon_> well for me
2014-03-12 00:20 <nebadon_> on the initial start my region would use about 450mb ram
2014-03-12 00:21 <nebadon_> as soon as the timer hit it would shoot up to like 2.8gb
2014-03-12 00:21 <justincc> you compared memory usage when not using warp3d tiles?
2014-03-12 00:21 <nebadon_> ya without warp3d it uses like 250mb on original tiler
2014-03-12 00:21 <justincc> right, 200 mb is leaking
2014-03-12 00:21 <justincc> which is stupid large
2014-03-12 00:21 <nebadon_> im not sure
2014-03-12 00:21 <nebadon_> Warp3D requires more data
2014-03-12 00:21 <justincc> yeah, but all objets should be reclaimed
2014-03-12 00:21 <nebadon_> the original tiler is only colors and geometry
2014-03-12 00:21 <nebadon_> no sculpt or mesh
2014-03-12 00:21 <justincc> particularly as it even explicitly triggers the gc
2014-03-12 00:22 <nebadon_> ya but it appears to run GC
2014-03-12 00:22 <nebadon_> then do its thing
2014-03-12 00:22 <nebadon_> its doing it backwards
2014-03-12 00:22 <justincc> it wil use more mem whilst functioning, but at the end the mem should be no different
2014-03-12 00:22 <justincc> are you sure?  Seemed the right way when I last looked
2014-03-12 00:22 <nebadon_> hmm I thought so but maybe I was wrong
2014-03-12 00:23 <justincc> GC.collect is done at the end of Warp3DImageModule.CreateMapTile()
2014-03-12 00:23 <nebadon_> ok
2014-03-12 00:23 <melanie_> warp does leak
2014-03-12 00:23 <nebadon_> i could have sworn on the console it printed the gc first
2014-03-12 00:23 <melanie_> i've looked into it a long time ago when warp was new
2014-03-12 00:23 <melanie_> but i think it's some internal data
2014-03-12 00:23 <dahlia> GC wont collect images which are not disposed
2014-03-12 00:23 <justincc> the obvious reason for warp leaking is that it doesnt' dispose any of its internal gdi objects
2014-03-12 00:23 <melanie_> because these leaks stack up each time it runs
2014-03-12 00:23 <justincc> at least not according to the cod ein opensim-libs, which I'm not 100% sure is up to date
2014-03-12 00:23 <nebadon_> however
2014-03-12 00:24 <melanie_> if you have warp + maptile refresh, it will eventually kill your sim
2014-03-12 00:24 <nebadon_> if I type "force gc" on region console
2014-03-12 00:24 <nebadon_> the memory would be cleared
2014-03-12 00:24 <nebadon_> until next maptile timer hit
2014-03-12 00:24 <justincc> tjhat's  very surprising
2014-03-12 00:24 <justincc> that shouldn't clear memory lost in native libraries
2014-03-12 00:24 <melanie_> i doubt it's native memory that is lost
2014-03-12 00:24 <nebadon_> thats what lead me to hunt for a timer
2014-03-12 00:24 <justincc> or via interaction with c library calls, I should say
2014-03-12 00:24 <melanie_> or if it is, it's released by finalizers
2014-03-12 00:25 <dahlia> does it leak in windows?
2014-03-12 00:25 <nebadon_> I couldnt actually find it, jakdaniels found the timer in those inis
2014-03-12 00:25 <nebadon_> I am not sure about windows
2014-03-12 00:25 <dahlia> I've seen mono fail to collect unreferenced managed objects
2014-03-12 00:26 <justincc> it's gdi+ leakage, I guarantee it.  Same reason why the default map tiler was leaking
2014-03-12 00:27 <justincc> that could also behave differently on windows
2014-03-12 00:27 <justincc> though I would expect not
2014-03-12 00:27 <dahlia> well Ive seen mono leak and eventually consume all available mem and crash when repeatedly calling managed subroutines that create a lot of small objects and then derefence them
2014-03-12 00:27 <dahlia> *dereference
2014-03-12 00:27 <nebadon_> Linux totally crashed on me
2014-03-12 00:27 <nebadon_> thats why i really started hunting
2014-03-12 00:27 <dahlia> but windows works perfectly
2014-03-12 00:28 <|-fInE-|> hmm intressting
2014-03-12 00:28 <nebadon_> my machine was running out of ram and swap and linux totally croaked
2014-03-12 00:28 <dahlia> mono devs suggested it was a bug in the mono runtime libraries and then went on to do other things
2014-03-12 00:29 <dahlia> anyway, probably woudlnt hurt to see if warp leaks on windows
2014-03-12 00:29 <|-fInE-|> my sim consums now 3 gb .. and robust 500mb .. on mono 2.10.8.1 .. 
2014-03-12 00:29 <nebadon_> ya mono 2.10.8.1 is not so great
2014-03-12 00:29 <|-fInE-|> its the highest load i ever had
2014-03-12 00:30 <nebadon_> its not the worst but its not the best either
2014-03-12 00:30 <|-fInE-|> hmm just looking for a newer version of mono
2014-03-12 00:30 <nebadon_> im using 3.2.8
2014-03-12 00:31 <|-fInE-|> oh wow didn't know .. mono has 3.2 released? i thin i'm quiet old here :D
2014-03-12 00:37 <|-fInE-|> hmpf no newer version on ubuntu repository .. do it yourself is the right way for me :D
2014-03-12 00:39 <justincc> yeah, distros are still pretty much mono 2.10
2014-03-12 00:41 <justincc> ok, time for me to rest.  Goodnight folks
2014-03-12 00:42 <osmantis> Bug #7052:04 [PATCH] Map tiles no longer show in Map Tool in Viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7052 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-12 01:02 <osmantis> Bug #7053:04 Terrain editing causes high cpu usage for several minutes on minor editing. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7053 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-12 02:36 <osmantis> Bug #7008:04 Varregion Terrain very slow to load when teleporting in. Much slower than same exact oars loaded on a mega region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7008 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-12 03:54 <osmantis> Bug #7008:04 Varregion Terrain very slow to load when teleporting in. Much slower than same exact oars loaded on a mega region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7008 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-12 04:06 <osmantis> Bug #7008:04 Varregion Terrain very slow to load when teleporting in. Much slower than same exact oars loaded on a mega region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7008 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-03-12 04:24 <Keasley> hi, i want to write plugin for blender for working with prims, where i can find algorithm(or code) for generating triangulated mesh from parametric prim?
2014-03-12 04:38 <LiruCookies> Keasley: No idea what you are exactly asking, but Singularity and Radegast have code that converts prims to collada meshes.. 
2014-03-12 04:48 <Keasley> nope. i am asking for internal process, how the prim goes to bunch of triangles. for example, it happens in viewer to feed this triangles to opengl
2014-03-12 04:48 <Keasley> also, i guess it happens in Opensim server, as it should do physics
2014-03-12 05:10 <osmantis> Bug #7008:04 Varregion Terrain very slow to load when teleporting in. Much slower than same exact oars loaded on a mega region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7008 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-12 05:26 <LiruCookies> Keasley: My memory is poor, but I believe prims are just PCodes mainly
2014-03-12 05:30 <Keasley> prims are parametric, so it's few parameters structure, right. but for viewer internally or physics engine it should be in "meshes" to show or to calculate collisions
2014-03-12 05:31 <melanie_> LiruCookies: prims are just parametric
2014-03-12 05:31 <melanie_> or display purposes, they are much cheaper than meshes
2014-03-12 05:31 <melanie_> for physics, prims are "meshed"
2014-03-12 05:31 <melanie_> and what is collided are those meshes
2014-03-12 05:31 <melanie_> for mesh, real meshes
2014-03-12 05:31 <melanie_> for prims, the generated ones
2014-03-12 05:31 <melanie_> it's what meshmerizer does
2014-03-12 05:32 <melanie_> courtesy of dahlia, ages ago
2014-03-12 05:32 <melanie_> so, the relative weight of prims needs to be seen as the place where they are used
2014-03-12 05:32 <melanie_> for the network link, the viewer, prims are lightweight in transfer
2014-03-12 05:33 <melanie_> in rendering, it's all the same as the viewer meshes a box prim into 24 faces.
2014-03-12 05:33 <melanie_> on the server, prims are less heavy tha meshes in transfer
2014-03-12 05:33 <melanie_> but the same in physics
2014-03-12 05:33 <melanie_> since they get meshed
2014-03-12 05:37 <Keasley> melanie, right!
2014-03-12 05:37 <Keasley> that i am looking, it algorithm of meshmerizer
2014-03-12 05:38 <Keasley> or code, already written for reference
2014-03-12 05:39 <LiruCookies> What is to be done in blender anyhow?
2014-03-12 05:40 <Keasley> plugin or script doing "meshmerize"
2014-03-12 05:41 <Keasley> i am going to code
2014-03-12 05:42 <LiruCookies> To make prims mesh?
2014-03-12 05:44 <Keasley> it's needed for displaing prim as it displayed in viewer
2014-03-12 05:45 <LiruCookies> Like from xml?
2014-03-12 05:48 <Keasley> from xml to where?
2014-03-12 05:50 <melanie_> prims get meshed serverside to be able to collide them
2014-03-12 05:50 <melanie_> ODE supports only two basic shapes
2014-03-12 05:50 <melanie_> the sphere and the cube
2014-03-12 05:50 <melanie_> not ovoid and not block
2014-03-12 05:50 <melanie_> just sphere and cube
2014-03-12 05:50 <melanie_> e.g. equal sides
2014-03-12 05:51 <melanie_> so in order to collide any other shapes, they need to be converted to mesh
2014-03-12 05:51 <melanie_> enter meshmerizer
2014-03-12 05:51 <LiruCookies> I am just wondering where Blender will be recieving prim data from..
2014-03-12 05:52 <melanie_> blender can mesh prims already
2014-03-12 05:52 <LiruCookies> Then what is Keasley up to?
2014-03-12 05:54 <Keasley> ok, i guess i found some code in "OpenSim/Region/Physics/Meshing/Meshmerizer.cs"
2014-03-12 05:55 <Keasley> melanie_ do you mean there is already script for blender?
2014-03-12 06:01 <melanie_> Keasley: afaik, blender can handle sl prims natively
2014-03-12 06:01 <melanie_> if not, there is a plugin
2014-03-12 06:01 <melanie_> i dont know for sure because i don't model
2014-03-12 06:01 <melanie_> but i know there is a way
2014-03-12 06:02 <LiruCookies> Avastar or primstar or something?
2014-03-12 06:03 <Keasley> prooflink?
2014-03-12 06:09 <dahlia> Keasley: the realxtend people ported primmesher to blender python a while back but Im not sure if it would work in newer versions of blender
2014-03-12 06:15 <dahlia> maybe this: https://github.com/b2rex/b2rex/blob/master/scripts/b2rexpkg/tools/primmesher.py
2014-03-12 06:16 <dahlia> its probably pretty old and doesnt have a lot of bug fixes in it
2014-03-12 06:22 <Keasley> ok, thanks, - will have a look
2014-03-12 09:13 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-12 15:23 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-12 16:08 <osmantis> Bug #7008:04 Varregion Terrain very slow to load when teleporting in. Much slower than same exact oars loaded on a mega region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7008 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-12 17:11 <osmantis> Bug #7036:04 Teleports between regions in a mega-region do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7036 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-03-12 17:12 <osmantis> Bug #7036:04 Teleports between regions in a mega-region do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7036 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-12 17:47 <osmantis> Bug #7024:04 llSetKeyframedMotion stopped working with 0.7.6.1 Release 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7024 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-12 17:49 <osmantis> Bug #7036:04 Teleports between regions in a mega-region do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7036 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-12 18:08 <|-fInE-|> what a bug flooding here :D
2014-03-12 18:37 <|-fInE-|> a silly question to all of you .. why did you create the maptiles on the /map folder .. for shure .. you know that the database is already running ? 
2014-03-12 18:46 <Ken_S> -fInE, I cannot speak for the devs, but I think a couple of reasons for this...
2014-03-12 18:47 <Ken_S> If maptile refresh is turned off, it allows you to drop whatever image you want to use in that folder,
2014-03-12 18:48 <Ken_S> so the startup is faster since it doesnt have to generate the maptiles.
2014-03-12 18:48 <Ken_S> Its also acts as a cache that is faster than generating an image from a database.
2014-03-12 18:48 <|-fInE-|> but i don't know what situation causes the descition to write to the filesystem if a database is pressent to handle that .. sorry
2014-03-12 18:50 <|-fInE-|> a database can be clustered if its not fast enough .. add the number of database servers you want .. 
2014-03-12 18:52 <Ken_S> So if you have the hardware and ability to do all that, speed may no longer be an issue for you.
2014-03-12 18:52 <Ken_S> But there is still the convienience of using a static maptile of your own choosing and dropping it in that folder.
2014-03-12 18:53 <|-fInE-|> i think some people needs to read the manual .. for getting better performance of there servers .. its not an issue of the dev's btw. ;)
2014-03-12 18:55 <|-fInE-|> if the people adds 40 server instances on the qudcore machine .. its there problem :D
2014-03-12 18:56 <Ken_S> -fIneE- you are focusing on only one minor reason it was done that way.
2014-03-12 18:57 <Ken_S> I think being able to use your own static bitmap from any source was the main reason.
2014-03-12 19:14 <ssm2017> hello
2014-03-12 19:14 <ssm2017> about RAdmin, is all the code inside RemoteAdminPlugin.cs ?
2014-03-12 19:14 <ssm2017> when comparing with the wiki page http://opensimulator.org/wiki/RemoteAdmin some methods are missing
2014-03-12 19:15 <ssm2017> if all the methods are in this file, should i update the wiki with what i see in the code ?
2014-03-12 19:16 <ssm2017> for example : admin_authenticate_user is not in the 0.7.6.1 source code
2014-03-12 19:25 <ssm2017> in, fact, only this one is missing in the code (i will try to check the parameters now)
2014-03-12 19:33 <djphil> exemple missing too for "admin_create_user_email"
2014-03-12 19:41 <ssm2017> djphil, i can see "admin_create_user_email" in the code that is using the same method as "admin_create_user" except that the email parameter is added
2014-03-12 19:41 <djphil> probably yes ...
2014-03-12 19:42 <ssm2017> djphil, have you tested this one ?
2014-03-12 19:42 <djphil> not yet, i'm working on it
2014-03-12 19:44 <djphil> "add user" allow anyone to add a new user to robust ?
2014-03-12 19:44 <ssm2017> robust needs to be configured for that
2014-03-12 19:45 <djphil> sure
2014-03-12 19:45 <ssm2017> if nothing in robust config about this, no worries (i hope)
2014-03-12 19:47 <djphil> i see nothing about radmin in robust.ini
2014-03-12 19:47 <ssm2017> AllowCreateUser in [UserAccountService] (afaik)
2014-03-12 19:47 <djphil> but new user is create in robust database
2014-03-12 20:02 <|-fInE-|> hmm i heared about serversided avatar rendering support on the new version of lindens sim's .. is there anything planed on opensim next time? i think the viewer's are not compatible to opensim anymore if linden has implemented there new release 
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2014-03-12 21:32 <danbanner> |-fInE-|: i think LL removed (or will be removing) client side baking from their source and the viewers that support opensim have added it back
2014-03-12 21:33 <danbanner> maybe a viewer dev would have more info about that
2014-03-12 21:33 <|-fInE-|> yes will be removing is correct but the peoples need to install 2 viewers if its stable on there installation and this is not the best way to improve the population of opensim
2014-03-12 21:35 <danbanner> i have not had any problems using same firestorm on both grids
2014-03-12 21:36 <|-fInE-|> firestorm have 2 versions for mesh @ there downloadsection 
2014-03-12 21:36 <danbanner> ya opensim version works fine on both
2014-03-12 21:36 <|-fInE-|> and it will be more complex if the viewer says .. you need to download a 2nd viewer to connect to opensim
2014-03-12 21:38 <danbanner> well its been like that already since LL made viewers that use havok only connect to SL
2014-03-12 21:40 <|-fInE-|> i know but much peoples are thinking i'm not able to download the 2nd viewer .. its easier to stay .. and this could be a nightmare 
2014-03-12 21:40 <danbanner> viewers like singularity only have one version
2014-03-12 21:40 <danbanner> and work anywhere
2014-03-12 21:41 <|-fInE-|> that was the point of thinking from my side
2014-03-12 21:46 <osmantis> Bug #7055:04 Erro ao alterar desenvolvedor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7055 ): O seguinte caso foi ENVIADO.
2014-03-12 23:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #3358 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-12 23:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3358: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3358/
2014-03-12 23:05 <osjenkins> jjustincc: When sending group notices through group messaging, allow the agent ID to use for fetching group data to be different from im.fromAgentID
2014-03-12 23:08 <danbanner> ping justincc
2014-03-12 23:08 <justincc> hi danbanner
2014-03-12 23:08 <danbanner> ive noticed on a few regions during startup: [GROUPS]: Could not get IGroupsMessagingModule
2014-03-12 23:09 <danbanner> but a 2nd restart might resolve it 
2014-03-12 23:09 <justincc> od
2014-03-12 23:09 <justincc> odd
2014-03-12 23:09 <danbanner> i tried tracking it down 
2014-03-12 23:09 <danbanner> some group IMs timed out then started to work
2014-03-12 23:09 <danbanner> like after relog/restart
2014-03-12 23:10 <danbanner> i have not really determined anything yet
2014-03-12 23:10 <danbanner> might even be timing related
2014-03-12 23:10 <danbanner> but i thought i would mention it
2014-03-12 23:11 <danbanner> our groups are set to GroupsMessagingModule
2014-03-12 23:11 <justincc> definitely worth mentioning.  Odd though as the IGroupsMessagingModule interface should alawys be registered before the GroupsMoudle requests it
2014-03-12 23:12 <danbanner> ya at first i thought groups were broke, sending group IM failed and caused a timeout message 
2014-03-12 23:13 <danbanner> but after relog/restart they started working
2014-03-12 23:13 <justincc> would be good to try a few restarts.  It's the kind of problem that sounds like it would occur pretty randomly
2014-03-12 23:15 <danbanner> i'll keep an eye open see how it goes
2014-03-12 23:15 <justincc> did you send me an e-mail with that?  I thought I saw somebody talk about this issue but when I went back and looked I couldn't find any trace of it
2014-03-12 23:16 <danbanner> oh i added something to the mantis but took it off when it started to work
2014-03-12 23:17 <justincc> ahhh, that was it.  I deleted that e-mail and then couldn't find the text on the mantis :)
2014-03-12 23:17 <danbanner> thought i'd just mention it to you while i wait to gather more info 
2014-03-12 23:17 <danbanner> i may update that mantis when i have more conclusive data
2014-03-12 23:18 <justincc> thanks.  There's nothing obviously wrong in code but it sounds like an issue 
2014-03-12 23:18 <justincc> ho hum
2014-03-12 23:19 <justincc> is this a simulator with multiple regions?
2014-03-12 23:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #3359 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-12 23:25 <danbanner> no, single region sim
2014-03-12 23:25 <justincc> hmm, even curiouser
2014-03-12 23:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3359: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3359/
2014-03-12 23:26 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Implement osForceCreateLink() and osForceBreakLink()
2014-03-12 23:27 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-12 23:27 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): requires your FEEDBACK.
2014-03-12 23:35 <|-fInE-|> justin my frist question was today: (7:37:35 PM) |-fInE-|: a silly question to all of you .. why did you create the maptiles on the /map folder .. for shure .. you know that the database is already running ?  can you give me an answer ?
2014-03-12 23:36 <justincc> I can't remember who did that - it was quite a long time ago.  However, I would guess that they may have been concnered not to keep filling the asset database with maptiles that dont' really need to be immutable
2014-03-12 23:36 <|-fInE-|> is there a way to implement this to the backend service ?
2014-03-12 23:36 <justincc> although actually, I believe they are also stored as assets still since that's the way that v1 viewers fetch them
2014-03-12 23:37 <justincc> v2 works in a different way to fetch maps - not through the asset mechanisms
2014-03-12 23:37 <justincc> there's some detail at http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Map
2014-03-12 23:38 <|-fInE-|> and my second question was (with answer from danbanner):  i heared about serversided avatar rendering support on the new version of lindens sim's .. is there anything planed on opensim next time? i think the viewer's are not compatible to opensim anymore if linden has implemented there new release 
2014-03-12 23:39 <justincc> I think somebody will implement this at some point, but there hasn't been enough pressure for anyone to do it yet afaik
2014-03-12 23:39 <|-fInE-|> ok thank you 
2014-03-12 23:40 <justincc> I believe it is an increasing problem for viewers that need to backport a bunch of baking code that linden have taken out, but I also think that viewer-side rendering can still be useful sometimes, for instance in small grids
2014-03-12 23:40 <dahlia> 
ACTION prefers "incentive" to "pressure"

2014-03-12 23:40 <justincc> heh
2014-03-12 23:43 <|-fInE-|> don't worry dahlia be happy :D
2014-03-12 23:44 <dahlia> oh I am happy |-fInE-|, I have a very effective defense against "pressure" :D
2014-03-12 23:45 <|-fInE-|> hmm thinking about defenses .. the defense of a women? :D
2014-03-12 23:46 <justincc> 
ACTION sighs

2014-03-12 23:46 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION give justincc a cookie, hoping to cheer him up

2014-03-12 23:47 <dahlia> cookies? o.0
2014-03-12 23:47 <justincc> I'm going to cheer myself up by watching the giant bomb dark souls 2 quick look tonight
2014-03-12 23:47 <dahlia> 
ACTION runs to the kitchen...

2014-03-12 23:47 <justincc> well, video, not quick look
2014-03-12 23:48 <|-fInE-|> sounds great ;) 
2014-03-12 23:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #3360 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-12 23:55 <melanie_> erm
2014-03-12 23:55 <melanie_> that wasn't guarded!?
2014-03-12 23:55 <melanie_> dang!
2014-03-12 23:55 <justincc> no, was missed
2014-03-12 23:55 <justincc> I was surprised too
2014-03-12 23:56 <melanie_> that explains some friefing we've seen
2014-03-12 23:56 <melanie_> griefing, even
2014-03-12 23:57 <|-fInE-|> pah i've forgot to upgrade my mono to version 3 today .. 
2014-03-12 23:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3360: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3360/
2014-03-12 23:59 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Only allow llBreakAllLinks() to work if script has received PERMISSION_CHANGE_LINKS
2014-03-13 00:00 <|-fInE-|> justin is there a way to fix the issue (or not) with the ID Seperator @ lsl ? 
2014-03-13 00:01 <|-fInE-|> the error message is like "id is in use" 
2014-03-13 00:01 <justincc> id seperator?
2014-03-13 00:01 <justincc> er, you mean a script compilation issue?
2014-03-13 00:01 <|-fInE-|> yes 
2014-03-13 00:03 <justincc> you'll have to give me a more specific example
2014-03-13 00:03 <|-fInE-|> just a moment
2014-03-13 00:03 <melanie_> best is a script that fails
2014-03-13 00:04 <melanie_> a very simple script
2014-03-13 00:04 <melanie_> condensed to the minimal requirement for failure
2014-03-13 00:04 <melanie_> usually scripts like that are 3-5 lines
2014-03-13 00:04 <|-fInE-|> printf "hello World! i'm running" :D
2014-03-13 00:04 <melanie_> more or less
2014-03-13 00:05 <melanie_> however, that one would yield "unexpected ':', expected ";' or '}'
2014-03-13 00:05 <|-fInE-|> ..
2014-03-13 00:05 <|-fInE-|>    listen(integer c, string n, key id, string m)
2014-03-13 00:05 <|-fInE-|>     {
2014-03-13 00:05 <|-fInE-|>         stopper = 0;
2014-03-13 00:05 <|-fInE-|>         string objectname;
2014-03-13 00:05 <|-fInE-|>         objectname = llGetObjectName();
2014-03-13 00:05 <|-fInE-|>         if (m == "Vacent" && c == randchannel && id == llGetOwner() && rented == TRUE)
2014-03-13 00:05 <|-fInE-|>         {
2014-03-13 00:05 <|-fInE-|>             llSetTexture("rentit", ALL_SIDES);
2014-03-13 00:05 <|-fInE-|> ..
2014-03-13 00:06 <|-fInE-|> key id causes the problem
2014-03-13 00:06 <justincc> that's a long way from the minimum script
2014-03-13 00:06 <justincc> and it's not complete
2014-03-13 00:06 <justincc> I don't know why it would complain about id offhnad
2014-03-13 00:06 <|-fInE-|> i can send you the complete script no problem
2014-03-13 00:06 <melanie_> you should look for an identifier in the global space named "key"
2014-03-13 00:06 <melanie_> yoerm
2014-03-13 00:06 <melanie_> named "id"
2014-03-13 00:07 <melanie_> you cannot have a global identified with the same name as a formal paremeter to an event
2014-03-13 00:07 <melanie_> so...
2014-03-13 00:07 <melanie_> string id = "";
2014-03-13 00:07 <melanie_> ...
2014-03-13 00:07 <dahlia> you cant?
2014-03-13 00:07 <melanie_> listen(integer c, string n, key id, string m)
2014-03-13 00:07 <melanie_> ...
2014-03-13 00:07 <dahlia> wouldnt scoping rules allow that?
2014-03-13 00:07 <melanie_> will cause this error
2014-03-13 00:07 <melanie_> dahlia: in LSL yes
2014-03-13 00:07 <melanie_> in C++ yes
2014-03-13 00:07 <melanie_> but in C#, no
2014-03-13 00:08 <melanie_> c# doesn't allow overwriting/shadowing
2014-03-13 00:08 <melanie_> since we compile to c#, then to IL
2014-03-13 00:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #3361 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-13 00:08 <melanie_> the c# then refuses this kind of construct
2014-03-13 00:08 <melanie_> as it would shadow a global
2014-03-13 00:08 <|-fInE-|> for shure its originaly build on secondlife but i was wondering why it's not working on opensim
2014-03-13 00:08 <melanie_> rename "id"
2014-03-13 00:09 <melanie_> or rename the conflicting global identifier
2014-03-13 00:09 <melanie_> it may be a variable or also a methid name
2014-03-13 00:09 <justincc> as melanie says, it's because of the way opensim translates lsl to c# before doing a c# compile
2014-03-13 00:09 <melanie_> as, to c#, a method name is a method group variable
2014-03-13 00:09 <lkalif> you could randomize LSL identifiers in LSL -> c# step
2014-03-13 00:09 <|-fInE-|> i can change it .. i was only wondering why thats all
2014-03-13 00:09 <melanie_> lkalif: that would obfuscate error messages
2014-03-13 00:10 <melanie_> since the user would not see these altered variable names
2014-03-13 00:10 <lkalif> sell it as "security measure" :P
2014-03-13 00:10 <|-fInE-|> :D
2014-03-13 00:10 <melanie_> the code generator should ideally prefix globals ith something like g$$_
2014-03-13 00:10 <melanie_> or else keep them in a different namespace
2014-03-13 00:11 <melanie_> and generate explcit namescpase resolutions
2014-03-13 00:11 <melanie_> globals::id
2014-03-13 00:11 <|-fInE-|> ah ok 
2014-03-13 00:11 <dahlia> melanie_: this compiles for me
2014-03-13 00:11 <dahlia> int wtf = 0;
2014-03-13 00:11 <dahlia>         public void OMG(bool wtf)
2014-03-13 00:11 <dahlia>         {
2014-03-13 00:11 <dahlia>             if (wtf)
2014-03-13 00:11 <dahlia>                 Console.WriteLine("wtf");
2014-03-13 00:11 <dahlia>         }
2014-03-13 00:11 <melanie_> what if wtf is a method name?
2014-03-13 00:11 <dahlia> the parameter?
2014-03-13 00:12 <melanie_> wtf() { lLsay(0, "OMG"); }
2014-03-13 00:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3361: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3361/
2014-03-13 00:12 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Implement osForceBreakAllLinks().
2014-03-13 00:12 <dahlia> it is a method name, its in a class
2014-03-13 00:12 <melanie_> i know i resolved a user's issue with something like that just a few days ago
2014-03-13 00:12 <melanie_> and in their case the conflicting identifier was a method, not a var
2014-03-13 00:12 <lkalif> dahlia: i think this will not work: void foo(int bar) { { int bar = 2; } }
2014-03-13 00:12 <justincc> definitely issues like tihs occur
2014-03-13 00:14 <dahlia> lkalif: but I think thats different than what melanie_ was describing, unless I misread it
2014-03-13 00:14 <melanie_> dahlia: it's all related
2014-03-13 00:15 <dahlia> well scoping rules for c# are well documented I'm sure but I thought they were pretty similar to c/c++
2014-03-13 00:16 <lkalif> this is one exception where you're not allowed to "shadow" a var in child scope from a parent scope
2014-03-13 00:16 <lkalif> has to do with c# support for lambdas
2014-03-13 00:16 <dahlia> is it relatively new?
2014-03-13 00:17 <lkalif> no. since forever
2014-03-13 00:17 <dahlia> ya but lambdas are newer than forever
2014-03-13 00:17 <lkalif> the fact that you have original scope in lambda is superawesomly powerful
2014-03-13 00:17 <melanie_> anonymous delegates have been there forever
2014-03-13 00:18 <melanie_> lambdas are the same, just expressed differently
2014-03-13 00:18 <lkalif> int foo = 2;
2014-03-13 00:18 <lkalif> button.Click += (sender, e) => { foo++; }
2014-03-13 00:18 <lkalif> foo from parent scope actually exist when event is fired
2014-03-13 00:19 <melanie_> well, that is legal 
2014-03-13 00:19 <lkalif> that's fully intended
2014-03-13 00:19 <melanie_> it will result in foo being incremented from what it _was when the lambda was created_
2014-03-13 00:19 <lkalif> losing shadowing inside scope is a small price to pay for this awesome feature
2014-03-13 00:20 <melanie_> the runtime copies and holds all vriables from the parent scope
2014-03-13 00:20 <dahlia> or you could just not redeclare in a inner scope
2014-03-13 00:20 <melanie_> no
2014-03-13 00:20 <lkalif> melanie_: yes, but that's exactly what you want most of the time
2014-03-13 00:20 <melanie_> in order to shadow, you need to use "new"
2014-03-13 00:20 <melanie_> int x = 5;
2014-03-13 00:21 <melanie_> if (y == 0) { new int x = 7; }
2014-03-13 00:21 <melanie_> you also need that to override a final method
2014-03-13 00:21 <lkalif> you can do the same for non-virtual functions of parent classes
2014-03-13 00:21 <melanie_> or prevent virtual from taking effect
2014-03-13 00:22 <dahlia> well I never claimed to understand c# :)
2014-03-13 00:22 <lkalif> it's made of pixie dust and unicorn farts
2014-03-13 00:22 <dahlia> ewwwww
2014-03-13 00:23 <|-fInE-|> hehe 
2014-03-13 00:23 <lkalif> but often, especially when working with GUI inherited widgets you want to override some method
2014-03-13 00:23 <lkalif> in c++ you're out of luck if parent didn't envision it
2014-03-13 00:23 <dahlia> 
ACTION avoids UI stuff

2014-03-13 00:23 <melanie_> unicorns don't fart
2014-03-13 00:23 <|-fInE-|> that should taste good f:D
2014-03-13 00:23 <melanie_> they pass wind, gently
2014-03-13 00:24 <lkalif> in c# if parent forgot to declare method "virtual" you can still override it with new
2014-03-13 00:24 <dahlia> unicorns dont even shadow fart :/
2014-03-13 00:24 <lkalif> unicorn farts smell like spring
2014-03-13 00:24 <dahlia> I wouldn't know <.<  >.>
2014-03-13 00:25 <lkalif> pfft, you *obviously* never seen one
2014-03-13 00:25 <dahlia> *snif*
2014-03-13 00:25 <|-fInE-|> dahlia don't dream about it  :D
2014-03-13 00:26 <lkalif> gtk# wasn't nearly as horrible as I feared it would be
2014-03-13 00:28 <dahlia> can you make it work on windows?
2014-03-13 00:31 <lkalif> dahlia: sure, I use gtk version of grid proxy now on windows too
2014-03-13 00:31 <lkalif> made it work better ;)
2014-03-13 00:31 <dahlia> is it in libomv repo?
2014-03-13 00:32 <dahlia> the one that works on windows?
2014-03-13 00:32 <lkalif> yes, but you have to uncomment it in prebuild.xml
2014-03-13 00:33 <lkalif> I didn't want to make gtk# a pre-requisite to compile 
2014-03-13 00:33 <dahlia> is gtk# all managed?
2014-03-13 00:33 <lkalif> no, it's all C
2014-03-13 00:33 <dahlia> oh a wrapper?
2014-03-13 00:33 <lkalif> yep
2014-03-13 00:34 <lkalif> it works great
2014-03-13 00:34 <dahlia> ya prolly does, I just have a hard time forgetting when it didnt work great on windows
2014-03-13 00:35 <lkalif> you can download and test it
2014-03-13 00:35 <dahlia> back in miguel's pre-ebil days
2014-03-13 00:35 <lkalif> https://files.streamgrid.net/singularity/misc/gp.tar.bz2
2014-03-13 00:36 <dahlia> bz2?
2014-03-13 00:36 <lkalif> well I made it for linux users, but the same binary works on windows
2014-03-13 00:37 <|-fInE-|> ty :)
2014-03-13 00:37 <lkalif> dahlia: you've tested it on you kde
2014-03-13 00:37 <dahlia> ya but that machine is dead now
2014-03-13 00:37 <dahlia> well graphics are dead
2014-03-13 00:37 <dahlia> I use it headless as a test grid server
2014-03-13 00:37 <lkalif> I was just looking at some new caps on the latest viewer and on beta grid
2014-03-13 00:38 <lkalif> I have no idea what they do
2014-03-13 00:38 <dahlia> what are they called?
2014-03-13 00:38 <lkalif> I know "GroupAPIv1" is going to be used for the new group bans
2014-03-13 00:38 <dahlia> oh theres some group ban thing
2014-03-13 00:39 <dahlia> experimental
2014-03-13 00:39 <lkalif> yeah, they're adding the ability to ban people from joingin groups
2014-03-13 00:39 <lkalif> there is something called "RequestTextureDownload"
2014-03-13 00:40 <dahlia> hmmm
2014-03-13 00:40 <lkalif> "FacebookConnect" :P
2014-03-13 00:40 <dahlia> EWWWWW
2014-03-13 00:40 <justincc> omg
2014-03-13 00:40 <lkalif> "CharacterProperties"
2014-03-13 00:41 <lkalif> "DispatchRegionInfo"
2014-03-13 00:41 <dahlia> if they go all facebook happy I'm deleting my account
2014-03-13 00:41 <justincc> how much of this stuff generally ends up being used?
2014-03-13 00:42 <|-fInE-|> hmm i think i've readed it on a secondlife page too ... but no clue if its implemented yet
2014-03-13 00:42 <lkalif> justincc: these I haven't seen before
2014-03-13 00:43 <lkalif> So I have no idea what they do
2014-03-13 00:43 <danbanner> coming to a server near you...
2014-03-13 00:43 <melanie_> they git a HUGE backlash the first time they announced FB connectivity
2014-03-13 00:43 <dahlia> are they in viewer source?
2014-03-13 00:43 <melanie_> SL users don't want that
2014-03-13 00:43 <melanie_> connecting to FB will kill SL
2014-03-13 00:43 <melanie_> 
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2014-03-13 00:43 <lkalif> dahlia: there is no source for the group ban viewer, which is what I was looking at
2014-03-13 00:43 <dahlia> ah
2014-03-13 00:44 <dahlia> strings?
2014-03-13 00:44 <|-fInE-|> melanie_: i do not want to live in a facebook world with nice facebook signs on each sims and logging scripts :)
2014-03-13 00:44 <danbanner> the future of sl: http://slgo.onlive.com/
2014-03-13 00:44 <danbanner> lol
2014-03-13 00:44 <lkalif> dahlia: this was a list of caps grid proxy cought from seed cap request/response
2014-03-13 00:44 <melanie_> i want facebook to fall into a hole nd pull it in after itself
2014-03-13 00:44 <melanie_> facebook needs to go away
2014-03-13 00:44 <melanie_> so does google
2014-03-13 00:44 <justincc> I hear sl go is an independent initialitive from onlive and not super-connected with sl
2014-03-13 00:45 <melanie_> no single company should have that much power or information
2014-03-13 00:45 <justincc> or with linden lab, I should say
2014-03-13 00:45 <danbanner> its endorsed by them
2014-03-13 00:45 <dahlia> OMG you MUST click the like button NOW!! Cmon you KNOW YOU WANT TO!
2014-03-13 00:45 <|-fInE-|> yes thats true
2014-03-13 00:45 <melanie_> FB causes teens to suicide
2014-03-13 00:45 <justincc> yes, but I think onlive is deciding what happens, rather than sl
2014-03-13 00:45 <melanie_> how much more evil can you get?
2014-03-13 00:45 <justincc> ll I mean
2014-03-13 00:45 <dahlia> lol
2014-03-13 00:46 <danbanner> the whole internet is going to shift to tablets and social media lol
2014-03-13 00:46 <lkalif> I see nothing wrong with the way Linden Lab implemented Facebook. It's entirely optional, off by default. Why not allow people to post their SL snapshot to Facebook if they want to?
2014-03-13 00:46 <dahlia> well I don't mind google... but I hate FB. well I do mind google but at least they offer some useful stuff
2014-03-13 00:46 <melanie_> lkalif: no issue with that
2014-03-13 00:47 <lkalif> Of course there are paranoid crazies that would scream anyway
2014-03-13 00:47 <melanie_> lkalif: but the talkback in the day was that linking your sl avatar to a fb account would be required
2014-03-13 00:47 <lkalif> but what LL did was OK by me
2014-03-13 00:47 <melanie_> i don't mind a few buttons
2014-03-13 00:47 <melanie_> everyone has them
2014-03-13 00:47 <melanie_> but for most people SL is where they have their abberant sex
2014-03-13 00:47 <danbanner> flickr seems like a better choice for posting pics tho
2014-03-13 00:47 <melanie_> and FB is what their employer reads
2014-03-13 00:48 <melanie_> world, meet world.
2014-03-13 00:48 <|-fInE-|> danbanner the futere of a tablet sl :D i love bigger graphics cards not smaller :D
2014-03-13 00:48 <dahlia> ya SL got to where it was because of perceived anonymity
2014-03-13 00:48 <lkalif> I wonder what this "RequestTextureDownload" cap is all about. Perhaps they're moving textures to a CDN?
2014-03-13 00:48 <danbanner> |-fInE-| its silly
2014-03-13 00:48 <Dev_Random> heh newsfeed... "danbanner bought a hat"
2014-03-13 00:48 <danbanner> i have no need for a tablet
2014-03-13 00:48 <Plugh> what's this? More LL craziness??
2014-03-13 00:48 <melanie_> lkalif: GetTexture is a sortasynchronous http thingy
2014-03-13 00:48 <danbanner> lol dev
2014-03-13 00:49 <Plugh> I don't have a working laptop any more and a tablet is nicer to use on a crowded workbench.
2014-03-13 00:49 <melanie_> requesttexturedownload seems to be a way to put bandwidth control with the server again
2014-03-13 00:49 <dahlia> nobody will want people who view their FB profile knowing they are a child sex slave in a video game
2014-03-13 00:49 <melanie_> letting the client request
2014-03-13 00:49 <melanie_> but serving it at the server's convenience
2014-03-13 00:49 <melanie_> it may be a CDN
2014-03-13 00:49 <danbanner> plug: hows that tablet work for inworld building?
2014-03-13 00:49 <melanie_> but it's server controlled again
2014-03-13 00:50 <lkalif> and google is ditching TCP for http and going UDP :P
2014-03-13 00:50 <|-fInE-|> hehe inworld building with mesh on a tablet .. have fun :D
2014-03-13 00:50 <melanie_> everything is being shoehorned into http 
2014-03-13 00:50 <dahlia> how can you ditch TCP for HTTP? HTTP uses TCP
2014-03-13 00:50 <melanie_> i know that trend will reverse
2014-03-13 00:50 <lkalif> dahlia: look up QUIC
2014-03-13 00:51 <|-fInE-|> UDP for http? i don't know how it works :)
2014-03-13 00:51 <lkalif> dahlia: it's a proposal by Google 
2014-03-13 00:51 <dahlia> ya but its not HTTP
2014-03-13 00:52 <zadark> UDP++
2014-03-13 00:52 <lkalif> well they want to replace SPDY with it and SPDY is used to enacapsulate HTTP
2014-03-13 00:52 <melanie_> QUIC looks good at first glance
2014-03-13 00:52 <melanie_> i'm sick and tired of being asked 'great protocol, but is it over http?'
2014-03-13 00:52 <|-fInE-|> :D
2014-03-13 00:53 <melanie_> everyone wants everything to be http to pass through proxies/firewalls
2014-03-13 00:53 <melanie_> but that is at the breaking point
2014-03-13 00:53 <lkalif> "As improving TCP is a long-term goal for Google, QUIC aims to be nearly equivalent to an independent TCP connection, but with much reduced latency"
2014-03-13 00:53 <melanie_> the pendulum is about to swing back
2014-03-13 00:53 <melanie_> and re-fragmnt the nice http soup
2014-03-13 00:53 <dahlia> well google is a big company with many small parts
2014-03-13 00:54 <melanie_> most of which are evil
2014-03-13 00:54 <dahlia> well some are ebil
2014-03-13 00:54 <|-fInE-|> i hope the one part knows what the other says :D 
2014-03-13 00:54 <justincc> ok, time for me to rest.  Goodnight folks
2014-03-13 00:54 <lkalif> I swear he has a macro for this :P
2014-03-13 00:54 <lkalif> bye msg + quit
2014-03-13 00:54 <dahlia> ya it happens too fast
2014-03-13 00:55 <dahlia> barely long enough for the tcp inter-message lag
2014-03-13 00:55 <lkalif> btw. QUIC is in Chrome already, but I don't know of any servers that support it yet
2014-03-13 00:56 <dahlia> oh?
2014-03-13 00:56 <lkalif> but it sounds super useful, multiple encrypted multiplexed TCP-like streams, over UDP
2014-03-13 00:56 <dahlia> not even google has servers?
2014-03-13 00:56 <lkalif> they probably do
2014-03-13 00:56 <|-fInE-|> the newest beta of chrome is a nightmare .. google reads your messages as well 
2014-03-13 00:57 <dahlia> which messages?
2014-03-13 00:57 <dahlia> your email?
2014-03-13 00:57 <|-fInE-|> if you're using webmale :D
2014-03-13 00:57 <|-fInE-|> mail*
2014-03-13 00:57 <Dev_Random> they have to.  how else to let you search them?
2014-03-13 00:58 <melanie_> anything that will make ISPs stop downgrading UDP is fine with me
2014-03-13 00:58 <melanie_> QoS is the bane of network neutrality
2014-03-13 00:58 <dahlia> you mean they read my yahoo webmail?
2014-03-13 00:58 <lkalif> dahlia: So in fast QUIC allows for HTTPS over UDP ;)
2014-03-13 00:58 <melanie_> the vrizeal makes me sick
2014-03-13 00:58 <melanie_> verizon deal*
2014-03-13 00:58 <|-fInE-|> i hope not but the sniffing tools are really heavy on the newerst version of chrome
2014-03-13 00:59 <melanie_> i'll never let chrome near my systems
2014-03-13 00:59 <dahlia> lkalif: I'd be more interested in a message oriented protocol than in multiple encrypted streams
2014-03-13 01:00 <lkalif> http 2.0 talks a lot about "packets" and messages
2014-03-13 01:00 <lkalif> i read the spec a bit
2014-03-13 01:00 <dahlia> well I guess websockets are kinda message-oriented but they are still a stream
2014-03-13 01:00 <melanie_> websockets are the shoehorning of tcp into http
2014-03-13 01:00 <melanie_> and that is evil
2014-03-13 01:01 <melanie_> adding massive overhead just to be able to pass http-only proxies with non-http data
2014-03-13 01:01 <melanie_> there are 65534 ports
2014-03-13 01:01 <melanie_> why only ose one?
2014-03-13 01:01 <melanie_> use*
2014-03-13 01:01 <dahlia> ummmm... but websockets fail on firewalls
2014-03-13 01:02 <melanie_> they were meant not to. good thing if they do, it will discourage their adpotion
2014-03-13 01:02 <dahlia> people often use long-poll http fallback strategies
2014-03-13 01:02 <melanie_> it's a flawed concept
2014-03-13 01:02 <melanie_> anything that can use http also can use other sockets and protocols because it has a tcp/ip stack
2014-03-13 01:02 <|-fInE-|> the routers are concepted for port 80 forwards .. mostly
2014-03-13 01:02 <melanie_> so why shoehorn cutsom protocols into http?
2014-03-13 01:02 <melanie_> |-fInE-|: that is a development that needs to be reversed
2014-03-13 01:03 <dahlia> http needs to be reversed 
2014-03-13 01:03 <melanie_> people who consider the internet to be port 80 onl need to be taken out and shot in the morning, behind the chemical shed
2014-03-13 01:03 <|-fInE-|> on some systems port 80 is hardcoded in the rom 
2014-03-13 01:03 <zadark> These developements should be seen in the light of IPV6 , Ubiquitous computing.. NATless
2014-03-13 01:03 <melanie_> zadark: the internet of things
2014-03-13 01:03 <melanie_> but ipv6 is overcomplex and needlessly so
2014-03-13 01:04 <melanie_> could just as well have added more octets
2014-03-13 01:04 <melanie_> 1.3.4.5.6.7.8
2014-03-13 01:04 <melanie_> dotted decimal
2014-03-13 01:04 <melanie_> what people know
2014-03-13 01:04 <|-fInE-|> i had much to calc for ipv6 
2014-03-13 01:04 <dahlia> I'm still waiting for an IPV6 enabled toilet paper dispenser
2014-03-13 01:04 <melanie_> not 5438:47ac::0001
2014-03-13 01:04 <zadark> Be prepared to be disappointed
2014-03-13 01:05 <dahlia> that way google can print ads for laxatives on the toilet paper if it's not used fast enough
2014-03-13 01:05 <|-fInE-|> :D wlan on toilet good idea .. i wanna know about the water level inside the toilet :D
2014-03-13 01:05 <melanie_> 
ACTION is already underwhelmed by current developents

2014-03-13 01:06 <dahlia> I should start a web-enabled toilet paper roller company with a mobile app and sell it to zuck for $29 billion :D
2014-03-13 01:06 <Dev_Random> don't forget the Facebook hook
2014-03-13 01:06 <|-fInE-|> don't forget the app for each phone arround the world :D
2014-03-13 01:06 <dahlia> thats what they pay me the $29b for
2014-03-13 01:07 <lkalif> There is no place like ::1
2014-03-13 01:08 <dahlia> like who?
2014-03-13 01:08 <lkalif> you don't speak IPv6? ;)
2014-03-13 01:08 <melanie_> lol
2014-03-13 01:08 <lkalif> like home (localhost)
2014-03-13 01:09 <melanie_> 127.0.0.1 == ::1
2014-03-13 01:09 <|-fInE-|> some people hacked it with success :)
2014-03-13 01:09 <dahlia> 
ACTION is still IPV4-bound

2014-03-13 01:10 <lkalif> i turn off IPv6 on my PC
2014-03-13 01:10 <dahlia> hmmm I could prolly go V6, I got a new router recently
2014-03-13 01:10 <lkalif> youtube has their server on ipv6 but they seem to have much less bandwith
2014-03-13 01:10 <lkalif> other than youtube, and only some videos, it seems to work ok
2014-03-13 01:11 <dahlia> 
ACTION goes out for a walk before it gets dark... laterz :)

2014-03-13 01:11 <Plugh> too late. It is dark already.
2014-03-13 01:12 <lkalif> btw. I bet you can use Firestorm SL version also with that little grids.xml file
2014-03-13 01:12 <|-fInE-|> you have no lamp on your phone? :)
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2014-03-13 06:02 <danbanner> lol http://i.imgur.com/dHDWwsS.png
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2014-03-13 12:57 <ssm2017> fyi : wiki is not responding
2014-03-13 13:26 <|-fInE-|> yeah webserver dead 
2014-03-13 13:26 <|-fInE-|> ping nebadon2
2014-03-13 15:47 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-13 16:04 <osmantis> Bug #7036:04 Teleports between regions in a mega-region do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7036 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-13 16:28 <Dev_Random> nope
2014-03-13 16:29 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION is the victim of cursor-focussing

2014-03-13 16:58 <osmantis> Bug #7056:04 crash while editing terrain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7056 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-13 17:07 <osmantis> Bug #7056:04 crash while editing terrain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7056 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-13 18:47 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-13 20:46 <osmantis> Bug #7057:04 Command to replace UUID in object inventories 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7057 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2014-03-13 23:41 <|-fInE-|> yeah fuego! i've found it with the maps 
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2014-03-14 01:18 <smxy> nebadon2: you were right. I love the iDRAC6 Enterprise in these Dell R810s. :)
2014-03-14 01:20 <nebadon2> yeah they are really awesome, you can see every little bit of information about your hardware
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2014-03-14 11:25 <Lloydi> Good day everyone
2014-03-14 11:25 <dahlia> happy pi day :D
2014-03-14 11:50 <Lloydi> pi?
2014-03-14 11:51 <Lloydi> ohhh
2014-03-14 11:51 <Lloydi> i c, said the blind man
2014-03-14 11:54 <Lloydi> march 14th the birthday of "pi" and albert einstein..
2014-03-14 14:39 <osmantis> Bug #7008:04 Varregion Terrain very slow to load when teleporting in. Much slower than same exact oars loaded on a mega region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7008 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-14 16:39 <smxy> It's also "Steak and a BJ Day". :)
2014-03-14 16:40 <smxy> I'll take that over a slice of "pi" any day. :)
2014-03-14 16:43 <|-fInE-|> hmm good idea .. I consider today to throw my grill for steaks :D
2014-03-14 16:45 <|-fInE-|> its a really sunny weather today .. 
2014-03-14 17:02 <|-fInE-|> hello again nebadon2 :)
2014-03-14 17:13 <nebadon2> hello |-fInE-|
2014-03-14 18:14 <|-fInE-|> pah icq crashes since a couple of days on my side .. its time to change to ssl jabber or similar
2014-03-14 18:30 <velus> is anyone about to help with opensim profiles and how they work please
2014-03-14 18:32 <Plugh> velus: I can help with the osprofile module. If you are using core profiles I may not be able to help.
2014-03-14 18:32 <velus> its core
2014-03-14 18:33 <Plugh> Just ask your question and see if someone can provide an answer.
2014-03-14 18:34 <velus> its to do with the db and the binary part the profileAllowPublish and the mature and the mask and such
2014-03-14 18:34 <velus> how does that work and what does the values mnean
2014-03-14 18:35 <Plugh> IIRC, allow publish controls whether a persons profile can be seen via the web pased profiles page.
2014-03-14 18:36 <Plugh> s/passed/based/
2014-03-14 18:36 <Plugh> If false most of the details of a persons profile will not be displayed on the profiles web page.
2014-03-14 18:39 <|-fInE-|> all things are stored in the backend you only need to read it out ..
2014-03-14 18:42 <|-fInE-|> velus how they work? hmm the profile service connects to the database and if the UUID matches the procedure displays the informations inside the profile mask .. thats all
2014-03-14 18:43 <velus> yes but how do i decode the information in php so i can have a webpage showing the profile and stuff
2014-03-14 18:44 <|-fInE-|> you need to write a module for it .. refer the wifi pages procedures from diva distri
2014-03-14 18:44 <velus> im not wanting it in c# im wanting it in php it will read the data from the db its self then convert the info but i need to know what means what in it
2014-03-14 18:45 <AllenKerensky> you may have to trace through the module C# source and build your own "schema" or data definitions
2014-03-14 18:45 <|-fInE-|> write a database script in php and connect to the opensim database directly but you'll not have all informations you need for it
2014-03-14 18:46 <AllenKerensky> if you do - publish a page on OpenSim wiki with what you uncover too, please
2014-03-14 18:47 <velus> |-fInE-|: i am doing that but in the db it has things like   `profileAllowPublish` binary(1) NOT NULL, when i look at my profile it show 30 but that does the 30 mean and how does it come up with 30, what does this mean? and so forth
2014-03-14 18:47 <Plugh> allow publish is a binary on/off thing. What is saying "30"?
2014-03-14 18:48 <|-fInE-|> refer the source :D we all need to look into it if we have no plan how to programm things for it
2014-03-14 18:48 <AllenKerensky> well one suggestion is to make a custom version of the module that spews a lot of extra debug to you - and then go and edit profiles in a scratch account on the throwdown scratch sim install
2014-03-14 18:49 <Plugh> its not that complicated. The want mask and skills mask are bit fields.
2014-03-14 18:49 <Plugh> Could 30 be the avatar age?
2014-03-14 18:50 <Plugh> Can't tell without knowing where you see that value.'
2014-03-14 18:50 <|-fInE-|> no the age is calulated by the creation of the account
2014-03-14 18:50 <velus> the value is in   `profileAllowPublish` binary(1) NOT NULL, there
2014-03-14 18:50 <Plugh> That field can't be 30
2014-03-14 18:51 <AllenKerensky> it seems like they are saying in the profile table - there's a 30 in the record  under that column ... somehow
2014-03-14 18:51 <Plugh> If that field has a 30 in it something is wrong with the database.
2014-03-14 18:52 <velus> http://pastebin.com/41XJyt2E there 
2014-03-14 18:53 <Plugh> ok. Where is the 30 you are talking about?
2014-03-14 18:53 <velus> one sec
2014-03-14 18:53 <|-fInE-|> my opensim database haven't a table called userProfile .. 
2014-03-14 18:54 <Plugh> |-fInE-|: Are you using core profiles or the osprofile addon module?
2014-03-14 18:55 <|-fInE-|> care .. allways core .. i'm testing all services from opensim not 3rd party 
2014-03-14 18:55 <Plugh> Then you will have some tables for profile data.
2014-03-14 18:55 <velus> http://tinypic.com/r/xm07tg/8 there
2014-03-14 18:56 <|-fInE-|> oh sorry i was on the old database.. i've found it now on the 3rd mysql instance :D
2014-03-14 18:58 <Plugh> velus: That is an error in your db tables. Those publish fields are binary. They are either 1 or 0. Perhaps it is phpmyadmin showing you the information in an odd fashion.
2014-03-14 18:58 <|-fInE-|> oh my opensim instance got sick today .. hmpf
2014-03-14 18:58 <Plugh> 30 would be a hex(?) code for ascii '0'.
2014-03-14 18:59 <|-fInE-|> hmm the EventManager crashed ...  
2014-03-14 18:59 <velus> hex for 0 in ascii is 0 
2014-03-14 19:00 <Plugh> 30 is the hex code for the ASCII character '0'.
2014-03-14 19:00 <Plugh> hex value of 0 is 0 (or ASCII NUL).
2014-03-14 19:01 <Plugh> bbiab
2014-03-14 19:01 <Dev_Random> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ASCII-Table-wide.svg
2014-03-14 19:03 <velus> oh yeah hex for ascii 0 is 30 so thats why lol
2014-03-14 19:03 <|-fInE-|> hmm from my side .. profileAllowPublish can only be 0 or 1 .. (on/off) 
2014-03-14 19:03 <Dev_Random> velus: maybe try grepping the source for that field to see where it's used.  if you can see WHERE it's used, you might be able to figure out HOW it's used.
2014-03-14 19:04 <AllenKerensky> for windows folks - grepping means searching through visually or with a search/find function
2014-03-14 19:04 <Dev_Random> heh.. thanks.
2014-03-14 19:05 <AllenKerensky> I ama unix guy in a windows shop - so its a common event to have to translate myself
2014-03-14 19:05 <|-fInE-|> AllenKerensky: i'm happy to be a Unix/Linux Guy :D
2014-03-14 19:05 <smxy> ditto
2014-03-14 19:05 <velus> ok i see that now and also im wondering what the mask and such numbers mean, and Dev_Random i am in a deadlinee for this and well it would take to long to dicifer tbh
2014-03-14 19:06 <Dev_Random> seems like it'd be faster than waiting for an answer here, when none is being provided.
2014-03-14 19:06 <Dev_Random> just tryin' to help
2014-03-14 19:06 <AllenKerensky> disclaimer - when velus originally asked, I PMed
2014-03-14 19:07 <Dev_Random> back to lurking.... and RL work.
2014-03-14 19:10 <|-fInE-|> velus so my answer of your question is .. its a on/off field .. and you only need to integrate it to your mask
2014-03-14 19:17 <Plugh> 
ACTION is back

2014-03-14 19:17 <|-fInE-|> wb 
2014-03-14 19:19 <Plugh> velus: The two mask values are bit fields for the two sections of the profile found under Interests tab. 
2014-03-14 19:19 <Plugh> velus: Unless you need to know which bit is for which of the "I want to" or "Skills" options I wouldn't worry about them.
2014-03-14 19:20 <|-fInE-|> wow i'm receiving To many heap sections: Increase MAXHINCR or MAX_HEAP_SECTS .. i'm using the package of mono .. i need to recompile the mono :(
2014-03-14 19:20 <Plugh> velus: Any other questions about the profile data?
2014-03-14 19:21 <|-fInE-|> its using more than 4 gig ram now .. heavy 
2014-03-14 19:27 <|-fInE-|> so thats strange if the thread is using more than 4 gig ram you need to increase to heap size of mono otherwise the application crashes .. good to know 
2014-03-14 19:31 <|-fInE-|> so if anything consums to much ram the application crashes .. e.g. self made script @ xengine .. 
2014-03-14 19:32 <|-fInE-|> it only can fixed by the configure script of mono with the following: ./configure --with-large-heap=yes
2014-03-14 19:34 <nebadon2> 32 bit or 64 bit?
2014-03-14 19:34 <|-fInE-|> both :(
2014-03-14 19:34 <nebadon2> what version of mono?
2014-03-14 19:35 <|-fInE-|> 2.10 :D i don't know if it happens on newer versions of mono
2014-03-14 19:35 <nebadon2> newer mono has way better GC
2014-03-14 19:36 <nebadon2> does configuring mono with large heap help?
2014-03-14 19:36 <|-fInE-|> just trying
2014-03-14 19:37 <nebadon2> seems odd though your simulator is using more than 4gb ram
2014-03-14 19:38 <nebadon2> even Wright plaza with 30 avatars doesnt use that much
2014-03-14 19:39 <|-fInE-|> i have your big var region 512x512 a almost empty var 1024x1024 and a single 256x256 sim .. its not much :D
2014-03-14 19:39 <nebadon2> Universal Campus?
2014-03-14 19:39 <|-fInE-|> yes
2014-03-14 19:39 <nebadon2> you running latest opensim code?
2014-03-14 19:39 <|-fInE-|> yes
2014-03-14 19:40 <nebadon2> interesting
2014-03-14 19:40 <nebadon2> how much memory is just UC using?
2014-03-14 19:40 <nebadon2> this is what the origina UC simulator is showing in varregion configuration
2014-03-14 19:40 <nebadon2> MEMORY STATISTICS
2014-03-14 19:40 <nebadon2> Heap allocated to OpenSim   : 496 MB
2014-03-14 19:40 <nebadon2> Last heap allocation rate   : 0 MB/s
2014-03-14 19:40 <nebadon2> Average heap allocation rate: 0.011 MB/s
2014-03-14 19:40 <nebadon2> Process memory              : 941 MB
2014-03-14 19:41 <nebadon2> on mono 3.2.8
2014-03-14 19:41 <|-fInE-|> wow strange without the sing sim its running but uses 5 gb .. at the opensim thread
2014-03-14 19:41 <nebadon2> the UC simulator does?
2014-03-14 19:42 <|-fInE-|> yes
2014-03-14 19:42 <nebadon2> ya something not right there then
2014-03-14 19:42 <nebadon2> your 100% sure your on master git?
2014-03-14 19:42 <nebadon2> it sounds maybe like Warp3D leak still
2014-03-14 19:42 <|-fInE-|> i'm shure
2014-03-14 19:42 <nebadon2> do you have map tiler set to run no timer?
2014-03-14 19:42 <|-fInE-|> ah that can be the reason 
2014-03-14 19:42 <nebadon2> no=on
2014-03-14 19:43 <nebadon2> oh ya its absolutely the reason
2014-03-14 19:43 <nebadon2> shut that off
2014-03-14 19:43 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-14 19:43 <nebadon2> that crashed my linux server once
2014-03-14 19:43 <nebadon2> had to hard reset the machine
2014-03-14 19:44 <|-fInE-|> warp3d isn't running correctly at present ?
2014-03-14 19:44 <nebadon2> its the default
2014-03-14 19:44 <jakdaniels> it leaks memory big time
2014-03-14 19:44 <nebadon2> it only leaks memory when its set to run on a timer
2014-03-14 19:44 <|-fInE-|> ah k didn't know
2014-03-14 19:44 <nebadon2> its ok to leave Warp3D enabled, just dont have it generate tiles on timer
2014-03-14 19:44 <nebadon2> set the timer to 9
2014-03-14 19:44 <nebadon2> err to 0
2014-03-14 19:44 <jakdaniels> i think it leaks on first run also, but that's not so noticable
2014-03-14 19:45 <nebadon2> ya its not nearly as bad
2014-03-14 19:45 <nebadon2> my UC has Warp3D set
2014-03-14 19:45 <jakdaniels> as its a couple hundred meg that doesn't grow
2014-03-14 19:45 <nebadon2> you can see from stats above its not bad
2014-03-14 19:45 <|-fInE-|> ty i did it now 
2014-03-14 19:45 <velus> so warp3d is leaking memory then? so could that eb why my sims crashing evry so foten even though it dont have anything on it
2014-03-14 19:45 <jakdaniels> almost certainly
2014-03-14 19:46 <nebadon2> could be though with minimal content
2014-03-14 19:46 <nebadon2> the leak should be almost nothing
2014-03-14 19:46 <jakdaniels> if its crashing due to orunning out of memory
2014-03-14 19:46 <nebadon2> the leak gets worse as you have more content in your region
2014-03-14 19:46 <nebadon2> the reason being that Warp3D in order for it to be able to render the maptile has to download the entire regions contant
2014-03-14 19:47 <nebadon2> *content, all the textures, prims, mesh, sculpty
2014-03-14 19:47 <nebadon2> the other tiler only renders geometry and color
2014-03-14 19:47 <nebadon2> this is also why if your flotsam cache is cleared, that first start up with Warp3D can take 10-20 minutes
2014-03-14 19:47 <nebadon2> its populating the cache with all the region content before it can render the tile
2014-03-14 19:47 <|-fInE-|> waiting for the big script collection of you sim :D
2014-03-14 19:48 <jakdaniels> neb, who should I ask nicely to consider my patch for static maptiles for varregions? Or should I just be patient ;-)
2014-03-14 19:48 <nebadon2> we should talk to Justin and Misterblue
2014-03-14 19:48 <nebadon2> Misterblue might be more receptive at this point
2014-03-14 19:48 <nebadon2> MisterblueAFK you around?
2014-03-14 19:48 <|-fInE-|> it looks better than bevor .. aresomeness=true :D
2014-03-14 19:49 <nebadon2> jakdaniels, you could also shoot an email out to the mailing list for opensim-dev
2014-03-14 19:49 <nebadon2> if you have not already
2014-03-14 19:49 <nebadon2> ive been really sick the last week so I have kind of been out of it for a while now, finally starting to feel human again today
2014-03-14 19:50 <jakdaniels> no i've not done that... i didn't want to be pushy. i thought it being on the mantis would be enough
2014-03-14 19:50 <nebadon2> well its good to shoot out a notice to the email list too
2014-03-14 19:50 <nebadon2> not everyone pays that close attention to mantis
2014-03-14 19:50 <nebadon2> and it could spark discussion, I can chime in too
2014-03-14 19:51 <nebadon2> and if no one has any problems with the patch I have no problem commiting it myself
2014-03-14 19:51 <nebadon2> I just want to make sure no one else objects
2014-03-14 19:51 <nebadon2> I actually need this functionallity myself
2014-03-14 19:51 <nebadon2> because my mesh terrains look like crap
2014-03-14 19:52 <nebadon2> there is some kind of bug in the latest warp3D code or something
2014-03-14 19:52 <jakdaniels> kk, cool... i'll do that then :-) Hopefully its just a logical extention of the existing region static maptile thingy i did a year ago, but a discussion might lead to a better way to do it as its not perfect
2014-03-14 19:52 <nebadon2> ya that was my hope
2014-03-14 19:53 <jakdaniels> the WORLD MAP seems to be still stuck on the idea of a maptile being a texture UUID
2014-03-14 19:53 <jakdaniels> so the osgrid web map doesn't work as expected
2014-03-14 19:53 <nebadon2> ya
2014-03-14 19:53 <jakdaniels> but thats the case with warp3d too on varregions i think
2014-03-14 19:53 <Ken_S> jakdaniels, is your patch attached to a mantis somewhere?
2014-03-14 19:53 <jakdaniels> or any region greater than a 1024x1024 texture
2014-03-14 19:54 <jakdaniels> yes Ken_S :  http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7032
2014-03-14 19:54 <|-fInE-|> wow 50% less of ram now .. 
2014-03-14 19:55 <Ken_S> Thanks jakdaniels will test it out
2014-03-14 19:55 <nebadon2> nice |-fInE-| i suspect if you went to a newer mono you might even see more improvements
2014-03-14 19:55 <jakdaniels> you can see one of my varregions using a static maptile on OSgrid, inworld at ClumbuktorIslands
2014-03-14 19:55 <|-fInE-|> yepp i had no time the last days but we have now weekend :D
2014-03-14 19:57 <|-fInE-|> i'll compile the newest mono version .. 
2014-03-14 20:01 <jakdaniels> nebadon2, on another topic, I know you've used L3DT to make mesh terrains. I've played with it a bit too building a 256x256m terrain using 64 meshes, each with a 1024x1024 texture. But the more I like the results of using a mesh terrain the more I wonder about how to replace scripting stuff like llGround() when the 'ground' is now a mesh.
2014-03-14 20:03 <jakdaniels> Would be nice if there was an equivalent to llGround, but it took its data from the physics mesh
2014-03-14 20:04 <jakdaniels> so you could determine the mesh ground height at any given position
2014-03-14 20:17 <|-fInE-|> is it supported to create a single 256 sim inside a var region instance ? i got warnings about coords inside the instance:  [LOCAL GRID SERVICE CONNECTOR]: GetRegionByPosition. Region not found by grid service. Pos=<256256,256768>
2014-03-14 20:18 <|-fInE-|> its online within the 256x256 sim
2014-03-14 20:18 <|-fInE-|> online=only
2014-03-14 20:22 <|-fInE-|> i think something goes wrong @ the restitution of the coords 
2014-03-14 20:31 <nebadon2> jakdaniels there are functions to detect if your colliding with prims too
2014-03-14 20:32 <nebadon2> basically does the same exact thing the terrain collision detection events do but for prims
2014-03-14 20:33 <nebadon2> however there are some issues with that still currently on bulletsim
2014-03-14 20:33 <jakdaniels> but its not quite the same thing as being able to get the ground height at any position using llGround is it?
2014-03-14 20:33 <nebadon2> no but you could probably use llCastRay
2014-03-14 20:33 <nebadon2> to determine the prim name and uuid and get its height that way
2014-03-14 20:34 <jakdaniels> ah maybe... i didn't think of that
2014-03-14 20:34 <nebadon2> you can also detect how high a prim is above the LL terrain
2014-03-14 20:34 <nebadon2> and do some math that way
2014-03-14 20:34 <nebadon2> should be possible still 
2014-03-14 20:34 <jakdaniels> would be nice though if there was some way to get at the data of the physics mesh for a terrain
2014-03-14 20:35 <jakdaniels> like you can for legacy ground
2014-03-14 20:35 <nebadon2> ya I am not sure that is possible with LSL
2014-03-14 20:35 <jakdaniels> something like osGetPhysicsMeshHeight(<X,Y,Z>)
2014-03-14 20:36 <jakdaniels> easy to make flying things stay above a mesh ground and other object then
2014-03-14 20:42 <nebadon2> ya but basically what you are doing is a raycast to determine that
2014-03-14 20:43 <nebadon2> would probably just be better to improve our llCastRay ability
2014-03-14 20:43 <nebadon2> make it faster / more reliable
2014-03-14 20:44 <nebadon2> the big problem right now with llCastRay is its inability to raycast on hollow / cut objects
2014-03-14 20:44 <nebadon2> ideally llCastRay would be made to use the physics raycaster
2014-03-14 20:44 <nebadon2> which would be a lot faster and a lot more reliable I am sure
2014-03-14 20:45 <nebadon2> I wish we had like a dozen more people working on physics hehe
2014-03-14 20:47 <Plugh> yea, wouldn't that be nice.
2014-03-14 20:47 <Sked> Hello
2014-03-14 20:48 <nebadon2> hello Sked
2014-03-14 20:48 <|-fInE-|> nebadon2: you mean with more plugins for bulletsim :D that would be nice
2014-03-14 20:48 <Dev_Random> hmmm..  didn't Aleric claim to be a physicist? 
2014-03-14 20:49 <|-fInE-|> i prefer raytracers for opensim :D
2014-03-14 20:49 <Sked> neb can you tel me what this error mean: http://pastebin.com/uR56TSfG
2014-03-14 20:49 <nebadon2> hah not sure being a phsyicist would lend much to understaning gaming phsysics engines
2014-03-14 20:49 <Sked> i am trying to work Group V2
2014-03-14 20:50 <nebadon2> hmm not sure, error isnt very informative
2014-03-14 20:50 <Sked> yes i know
2014-03-14 20:50 <nebadon2> looks like bad data
2014-03-14 20:50 <nebadon2> might be feeding v1 groups data into v2 groups
2014-03-14 20:50 <Sked> when i log in i get this error
2014-03-14 20:50 <Sked> o i see
2014-03-14 20:50 <nebadon2> just a guess though
2014-03-14 20:50 <nebadon2> but that would be my first thing to check
2014-03-14 20:51 <nebadon2> make sure all the v1 groups stuff is disabled
2014-03-14 20:51 <Sked> its someting with data
2014-03-14 20:51 <Sked> what else i must disabled for V1 goup
2014-03-14 20:51 <nebadon2> if you start mixing up those groups you will likely get stuff like this occuring
2014-03-14 20:51 <Sked> o i see
2014-03-14 20:51 <nebadon2> if you want pastebin your [Groups] section here
2014-03-14 20:51 <jakdaniels> is your region on osgrid?
2014-03-14 20:52 <nebadon2> i can take a look
2014-03-14 20:52 <Sked> no
2014-03-14 20:52 <jakdaniels> k
2014-03-14 20:52 <Sked> grid mode
2014-03-14 20:52 <Sked> i get this on robust
2014-03-14 20:52 <nebadon2> ah ok so no errors on simulator then?
2014-03-14 20:52 <Sked> yes
2014-03-14 20:52 <nebadon2> it could be the simulator is sending some v1 data to robust then
2014-03-14 20:53 <Sked> sec i will copy opensim.ini group part
2014-03-14 20:53 <nebadon2> k
2014-03-14 20:53 <Plugh> Sked: Have you ever used the flotsam groups with your grid?
2014-03-14 20:53 <Sked> yes i did
2014-03-14 20:53 <|-fInE-|> refer the video to know what kind of graphics bulletsim can do: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2PKwR7sCww&feature=player_embedded
2014-03-14 20:54 <|-fInE-|> its on a simple tegra chip .. so you know what bullet can do on a big graphics board
2014-03-14 20:54 <nebadon2> remember we are not using bullet client side
2014-03-14 20:54 <nebadon2> so there is no GPu interaction
2014-03-14 20:54 <nebadon2> its all CPU
2014-03-14 20:54 <Sked> http://pastebin.com/dsn3Lrxv
2014-03-14 20:54 <nebadon2> we dont even support multithread yet
2014-03-14 20:55 <|-fInE-|> but that should be the goal in future
2014-03-14 20:56 <jakdaniels> it would have to be in the viewer then like havok in SL
2014-03-14 20:57 <Sked> is my settings for Group V2 good?
2014-03-14 20:57 <nebadon2> here is my [Groups] section from the OSCC13 simulator
2014-03-14 20:57 <Plugh> Sked: Looks ok afaict. 
2014-03-14 20:57 <nebadon2> http://pastebin.com/FtEpakK2
2014-03-14 20:57 <Sked> OK let me look
2014-03-14 20:57 <nebadon2> I think having the mysql connector is wrong
2014-03-14 20:57 <nebadon2> thats for standalone
2014-03-14 20:58 <nebadon2> could be causing issues perhaps
2014-03-14 20:58 <nebadon2> thinking the groups database is on the localhost
2014-03-14 20:58 <Sked> o i see
2014-03-14 20:58 <Sked> i will try your settings
2014-03-14 20:59 <nebadon2> hopefully helps
2014-03-14 20:59 <nebadon2> i know these settings work
2014-03-14 20:59 <Plugh> Sked: only noticable difference is the port number for GroupsServerURI
2014-03-14 20:59 <nebadon2> ya ignore 8007 in my config
2014-03-14 20:59 <nebadon2> we ran groups in its own Robust console
2014-03-14 20:59 <Sked> ok
2014-03-14 21:00 <Plugh> nebadon2: Are there other settings required in an ini under config-include/?
2014-03-14 21:01 <nebadon2> hmm I dont think so but let me check
2014-03-14 21:01 <Sked> i get the same error
2014-03-14 21:02 <nebadon2> no there isnt
2014-03-14 21:02 <nebadon2> ok and your sure Groups is enabled in Robust Sked?
2014-03-14 21:02 <Sked> i have uncomment GroupsServiceConnector = "8003/OpenSim.Addons.Groups.dll:GroupsServiceRobustConnector"
2014-03-14 21:03 <Sked> or i need any ther settings
2014-03-14 21:03 <nebadon2> what about the [Groups]
2014-03-14 21:03 <nebadon2> in Robust.ini
2014-03-14 21:04 <Sked> nothink else i dont have in
2014-03-14 21:04 <nebadon2> well actually thats only needed for HG Robust
2014-03-14 21:04 <nebadon2> if your not HG then do not need it
2014-03-14 21:04 <Sked> i dont have HG for now
2014-03-14 21:04 <nebadon2> k
2014-03-14 21:04 <Sked> just usual grid
2014-03-14 21:05 <Sked> mybe i must make new db tables
2014-03-14 21:05 <Sked> mybe this is problem
2014-03-14 21:05 <jakdaniels> Sked, just for a sanity check and if you're on linux you could also try: find . -name "*.ini" |xargs grep -n "Groups"   ....to see in which ini files anything Groups is mentioned. We found the Maptile refresh problem this way the other day
2014-03-14 21:06 <jakdaniels> maybe something is set in a Grid*.ini file somewhere too?
2014-03-14 21:06 <Sked> OK
2014-03-14 21:06 <Sked> i will check
2014-03-14 21:06 <nebadon2> ok just so were not wasting any time
2014-03-14 21:06 <nebadon2> in your OpenSim.ini
2014-03-14 21:06 <nebadon2> GroupsServerURI = "http://mygridserver.com:8003"
2014-03-14 21:06 <nebadon2> this actually points to your real URL
2014-03-14 21:06 <nebadon2> i assume you replaced it before pastebin?
2014-03-14 21:07 <Sked> yes i have reall domain
2014-03-14 21:07 <nebadon2> I just want to be sure
2014-03-14 21:07 <nebadon2> ok
2014-03-14 21:07 <Sked> i change it when i copy to pastebin
2014-03-14 21:07 <Sked> but i use subdomain instead of port number
2014-03-14 21:07 <nebadon2> hmm well I am just not sure
2014-03-14 21:07 <nebadon2> oh
2014-03-14 21:07 <Sked> yes
2014-03-14 21:08 <nebadon2> ok so its filtering throgh nginx or something then?
2014-03-14 21:08 <Sked> yes
2014-03-14 21:08 <Sked> somethink like that
2014-03-14 21:08 <nebadon2> have you checked the nginx logs?
2014-03-14 21:08 <Sked> ups sorry i forgot
2014-03-14 21:10 <nebadon2> you also might want to just as a test
2014-03-14 21:10 <nebadon2> try bypassing nginx
2014-03-14 21:10 <nebadon2> go directly to 8003 see if it works
2014-03-14 21:10 <nebadon2> if the nginx logs dont say much
2014-03-14 21:10 <Sked> i am doing this now
2014-03-14 21:15 <Sked> does have offline messaging and group V2 both something incoment?
2014-03-14 21:22 <Sked> well now new error come out
2014-03-14 21:22 <Sked> http://pastebin.com/qFNa82WJ
2014-03-14 21:22 <Sked> its the same but little different
2014-03-14 21:23 <Sked> its showing like its somethink wrong with ROBUST?
2014-03-14 21:25 <nebadon2> wierd it looks like null data or something very strange
2014-03-14 21:25 <nebadon2> I would suggest creating a brand new user and see if same thing happens
2014-03-14 21:26 <Sked> OK
2014-03-14 21:31 <Sked> Its the same error
2014-03-14 21:31 <Sked> before was on GETGROUPMEMBERS and now is on GETGROUP
2014-03-14 21:31 <Sked> but the same
2014-03-14 21:31 <Sked> i think its somethink with my db
2014-03-14 21:31 <Sked> i will make new one
2014-03-14 21:32 <nebadon2> good idea Sked
2014-03-14 21:32 <nebadon2> i am pretty stumped at this point
2014-03-14 21:32 <Sked> i am lstening
2014-03-14 21:33 <Sked> listening
2014-03-14 21:33 <Sked> o you mean for making new db
2014-03-14 21:33 <Sked> ok i will do that
2014-03-14 21:34 <Sked> i must go 
2014-03-14 21:34 <Sked> tnx for help
2014-03-14 21:34 <Sked> and bye 
2014-03-14 22:15 <nebadon2> http://promotions.newegg.com/vga/14-0432/index.html?cm_sp=Homepage_MidRight-_-vga%2f13-6519-_-http%3a%2f%2fpromotions.newegg.com%2fvga%2f13-6519%2f300x120.jpg&icid=242373
2014-03-14 22:15 <nebadon2> more ARM mini computers ^^
2014-03-14 22:16 <Dev_Random> endianism may be an issue soon...
2014-03-14 22:21 <Dev_Random> oops... forgot the "lol"
2014-03-14 22:25 <dahlia> well Ive been running most of my osgrid regions on a atom for probably 3 years now
2014-03-14 22:26 <Thonneve> opensim doesn't use much CPU power though does it?
2014-03-14 22:26 <dahlia> depends
2014-03-14 22:27 <dahlia> I dont have many scripts
2014-03-14 22:27 <Thonneve> It's mostly physics that uses CPU power
2014-03-14 22:27 <dahlia> scripts
2014-03-14 22:27 <dahlia> physics doesnt use much unless you have a lot of stuff going on, like lots of avatars moving around
2014-03-14 22:28 <Thonneve> Oh right, I didn't think scripting used much at all
2014-03-14 22:29 <Thonneve> Then again I don't have a lot of scripts
2014-03-14 22:38 <|-fInE-|> hmm i heate restarting windows but i must now .. 
2014-03-15 01:29 <|-fInE-|> anybody knews about community conference 2014 ? is it planed ?
2014-03-15 01:30 <melanie_> yes it is in the early stages
2014-03-15 01:39 <|-fInE-|> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=w4lnVx2BAYk :D
2014-03-15 08:53 <osmantis> Bug #7036:04 Teleports between regions in a mega-region do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7036 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2014-03-15 09:25 <osmantis> Bug #7055:04 Erro ao alterar desenvolvedor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7055 ): O seguinte caso foi RESOLVIDO.
2014-03-15 14:44 <Lloydi> ping
2014-03-15 14:45 <Thonneve> pong
2014-03-15 14:47 <Aleric> pang
2014-03-15 14:48 <Wanderer_42> peng
2014-03-15 15:31 <|-fInE-|> its the day for upgrading mono :D my backup is running
2014-03-15 17:15 <Thonneve> |-fInE-|: I hate upgrading mono, arch package manager kills stuff on my setup
2014-03-15 17:15 <|-fInE-|> i hate it too :D i'm on the way to upgrade the whole image of my server .. otherwise it'll not boot again :)
2014-03-15 17:16 <|-fInE-|> got a new kernel too that's why
2014-03-15 17:35 <|-fInE-|> the newest mono seams to be a heavy construct .. i'm downloading now external stuff for it .. crazy
2014-03-15 17:50 <|-fInE-|> wake up server! compile faster! :D
2014-03-15 17:55 <|-fInE-|> wow awesome .net 4 support :)
2014-03-15 19:06 <osmantis> Bug #7056:04 crash while editing terrain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7056 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-15 19:14 <Sked> Hello
2014-03-15 19:14 <Sked> is it possible to get new im_offline.sql file
2014-03-15 19:16 <AllenKerensky> Sked is this what you mean? http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Offline_Messaging
2014-03-15 19:17 <AllenKerensky> Or, Sked you might mean the one at the bottom of this: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Offline_Instant_Messaging_v2
2014-03-15 19:18 <Sked> ups i mean for group V2 
2014-03-15 19:18 <Sked> sorry
2014-03-15 19:26 <Sked> did anyone try new group version V2
2014-03-15 19:27 <AllenKerensky> i believe a lot of people are using it
2014-03-15 19:28 <Sked> cool
2014-03-15 19:28 <Sked> i have get strange error and amy thinking how to solve it
2014-03-15 19:29 <AllenKerensky> i haven't switched my old regions over to Groups v2 - so I don't know much about it, especially troubleshooting
2014-03-15 19:30 <Sked> http://pastebin.com/De5U8Y34     <----------- this error
2014-03-15 19:30 <Sked> i am more thinking that problem is in mysql group db tables
2014-03-15 19:30 <Sked> but cannot figure out this error, what mean
2014-03-15 19:30 <AllenKerensky> all I can see is its some http error - typo in the URL to connect region to it
2014-03-15 19:31 <AllenKerensky> or the grid you're connecting to isn't offering the service correctly - or the port is blocked
2014-03-15 19:31 <Sked> i see
2014-03-15 19:31 <AllenKerensky> just guessing
2014-03-15 19:32 <AllenKerensky> you might need to review the OpenSim.ini and Robust.ini or Robust.HG.ini
2014-03-15 19:32 <AllenKerensky> and make sure everything lines up and that you've read all the comment notes about what to comment and uncomment
2014-03-15 19:33 <Sked> ok
2014-03-15 19:33 <AllenKerensky> and maybe GridCommon.ini or something
2014-03-15 19:33 <Sked> i have setup 3 times everythink in all new
2014-03-15 19:33 <Sked> all this files setup all new and get the same error message
2014-03-15 19:33 <AllenKerensky> I'd start the top of the Groups v2 setup steps... and double/triple check each item - and anything that doesn't make sense, talk to diva about
2014-03-15 19:34 <Sked> mybe i do the same mistake all the time
2014-03-15 19:34 <Sked> ok
2014-03-15 19:40 <Sked> i think i find my problem i will try somethink
2014-03-15 19:43 <Sked> hm its the same
2014-03-15 19:45 <diva> the backend DB schema for groups is not the same as the used for Flotsam groups
2014-03-15 19:46 <Sked> o i see
2014-03-15 19:46 <Sked> then this can be problem
2014-03-15 19:47 <Sked> do you have mybe .sql file
2014-03-15 19:53 <Sked> or mybe must i add any new line in robust.ini file
2014-03-15 19:54 <Sked> or only this line is enauf : GroupsServiceConnector = "8003/OpenSim.Addons.Groups.dll:GroupsServiceRobustConnector"
2014-03-15 20:06 <smxy_> .
2014-03-15 20:13 <Sked> ..
2014-03-15 20:15 <KeyGruin> *;
2014-03-15 20:16 <Sked> does anyone mybe have new group.sql file
2014-03-15 20:21 <Sked> well now i clear whole db for group and i make new grou and get this error: http://pastebin.com/TAax0UCa
2014-03-15 20:22 <Sked> i dont have that "AccessToken" in my db
2014-03-15 20:22 <Sked> is mybe with this new group new db 
2014-03-15 20:22 <Sked> or like it say on opensim wifi page?
2014-03-15 20:32 <H-H-H> hi guys
2014-03-15 20:32 <Sked> what mono you guys use on yours server
2014-03-15 20:33 <H-H-H> i dont spose anyone would be able to tell me how to add all the parcels in a region to a list within a region module in the add region event
2014-03-15 20:52 <|-fInE-|> you need to fill in the correct accesstoken 
2014-03-15 20:52 <|-fInE-|> unknown column means unknown column
2014-03-15 20:55 <Sked> and how i do that?
2014-03-15 20:56 <Sked> i think this make opensim or no?
2014-03-15 20:56 <|-fInE-|> is it the field inside the table os_groups_membership ?
2014-03-15 20:56 <Sked> i know
2014-03-15 20:56 <Sked> but this fill in opensim
2014-03-15 20:56 <Sked> now me
2014-03-15 20:56 <Sked> not me
2014-03-15 20:57 <Sked> i really dont have any idea why this dont work for me
2014-03-15 20:57 <|-fInE-|> you only need to create this field with a char(64)
2014-03-15 20:57 <|-fInE-|> äh sorry char(36)
2014-03-15 20:57 <|-fInE-|> its empty on my side
2014-03-15 20:58 <Sked> do you mybe have .sql file
2014-03-15 20:58 <|-fInE-|> no sorry
2014-03-15 20:58 <Sked> empty .sql file that i make new db tbales
2014-03-15 20:58 <Sked> ok
2014-03-15 20:58 <|-fInE-|> i don't know what tables are nessesary for groups v2 at the moment
2014-03-15 20:59 <Sked> i have change the one from old group version and i think this is not good
2014-03-15 20:59 <Sked> like its say in opensim wiki
2014-03-15 20:59 <|-fInE-|> i only can see on your error message that the field accesstoken is missing on your backend .. create it on table os_groups_membership and it should be fine
2014-03-15 20:59 <Sked> ok
2014-03-15 21:00 <H-H-H> awesome i sussed it out :P
2014-03-15 21:01 <|-fInE-|> H-H-H: reffer the function for show region ... inside the code 
2014-03-15 21:03 <H-H-H> im after parcels not regions
2014-03-15 21:03 <|-fInE-|> hmm show parcels show regions.. this could tell you something about it
2014-03-15 21:03 <H-H-H> List<ILandObject> list = new List<ILandObject>();
2014-03-15 21:03 <H-H-H> 			list = scene.LandChannel.AllParcels();
2014-03-15 21:04 <|-fInE-|> thats only the beginning :D
2014-03-15 21:04 <H-H-H> in the addregion method the above code works nicely
2014-03-15 21:04 <H-H-H> i only want a count of the parcels nothing more
2014-03-15 21:04 <|-fInE-|> ah ok
2014-03-15 21:05 <H-H-H> but thanks for your time :)
2014-03-15 21:05 <Sked> now i get this error: Field 'AccessToken' doesn't have a default value
2014-03-15 21:09 <Sked> i think there is some other problem
2014-03-15 21:09 <Sked> somethink else
2014-03-15 21:09 <|-fInE-|> H-H-H: i can find a parcel ID at the backend .. hmm a uuid must be counted of the parcel inside the region but i don't know wich table
2014-03-15 21:10 <|-fInE-|> can't
2014-03-15 21:10 <Sked> hm
2014-03-15 21:11 <Sked> i think will be great if neb post group_V2.sql file on wiki page
2014-03-15 21:25 <smxy> Can't you figure out it's schema from looking at the source?
2014-03-15 21:36 <Sked> well here is my .sql file: http://pastebin.com/TM5ydkR4
2014-03-15 21:55 <H-H-H> well that didnt work as i had hoped lol
2014-03-15 21:59 <H-H-H> my list of parcels is empty :|
2014-03-15 21:59 <|-fInE-|> yepp mine too :D
2014-03-15 21:59 <H-H-H> yet it should have 1 parcel for the first region and 2 parcels for the second
2014-03-15 22:00 <H-H-H> i mean in code :|
2014-03-15 22:01 <|-fInE-|> the problem is i don't know where opensim stors the data .. couldn't find the informations for parcel data .. but the procedure inside the code can tell that
2014-03-15 22:01 <H-H-H> i have my code just writting a notice in console with the id of the parcel and the foreach loop never fires as according to a debug comment i put in the list length is always 0
2014-03-15 22:06 <|-fInE-|> wow didn't know that a samplemoneymodule is there :D 
2014-03-15 22:11 <H-H-H> yeah has been for ages
2014-03-15 22:17 <|-fInE-|> i'm at the LandManagementModuleTest.cs and theres a public void TestLoadWithNoParcels() and TestLoadWithSinglePartialCoveringParcel() .... this sounds intressting
2014-03-15 22:19 <|-fInE-|> LandData.Name and SetLandBitmap() 
2014-03-15 22:20 <H-H-H> can i pm you
2014-03-15 22:20 <|-fInE-|> SimDataService.StoreLandObject()
2014-03-15 22:20 <|-fInE-|> no Problem
2014-03-15 22:35 <osmantis> Bug #7056:04 crash while editing terrain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7056 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-03-15 23:43 <H-H-H> well it seems imposible to easily get a list of parcels in a region module, at least in the AddRegion or RegionLoaded parts
2014-03-16 00:07 <|-fInE-|> i'm off now for a while .. cu
2014-03-16 02:26 <osmantis> Bug #7058:04 Change OpenSim [GridInfo] defaults to remove confusion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7058 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-16 04:59 <osmantis> Bug #7058:04 Change OpenSim [GridInfo] defaults to remove confusion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7058 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-16 06:06 <osmantis> Bug #7058:04 Change OpenSim [GridInfo] defaults to remove confusion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7058 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-16 07:59 <osmantis> Bug #7059:04 Error in GetNumberOfSides() for a tapered torus 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7059 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-16 08:22 <Sked> Hello
2014-03-16 08:22 <Sked> can anyone have time to help me about group V2, i think i will go crazy with this settings
2014-03-16 08:23 <Sked> i am trying to work this 2 weeks and didnt succeed
2014-03-16 10:48 <H-H-H> thats better
2014-03-16 10:51 <osmantis> Bug #7059:04 Error in GetNumberOfSides() for a tapered torus 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7059 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-03-16 10:57 <velus> when will opensim 0.8 be relased
2014-03-16 11:57 <Sked> have mybe anyone time now?
2014-03-16 12:20 <velus> yep i do sked
2014-03-16 12:23 <velus> Sked: i have time now 
2014-03-16 12:23 <velus> its 12:22 where i am 
2014-03-16 12:30 <Sked> tnx
2014-03-16 12:30 <Sked> well its my group V2 again
2014-03-16 12:30 <Sked> i couldnt figure out why dont work for me
2014-03-16 12:31 <Sked> can we talk in private
2014-03-16 12:31 <velus> yeah we can 
2014-03-16 12:31 <velus> sorry was getting dinner on
2014-03-16 13:22 <osmantis> Bug #7032:04 Region Specific Static Maptile doesn't work on varregions>1024x1024 (max size of a texture) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7032 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-16 16:25 <velus> hey skidz hows you?
2014-03-16 17:40 <Plugh> 
ACTION wonders why you can't declare a variable with a value outside of a function in an LSL script then use those values in other declarations outside of a function.

2014-03-16 17:41 <Plugh> integer a=1; list b = [a]; will generate an error.
2014-03-16 18:03 <LiruCookies> It will?
2014-03-16 18:15 <Nickyp_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/bKxRAoMj
2014-03-16 18:16 <Nickyp_> Plugh: ^
2014-03-16 18:20 <osmantis> Bug #7036:04 Teleports between regions in a mega-region do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7036 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-16 19:58 <osmantis> Bug #7056:04 crash while editing terrain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7056 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-16 20:57 <Sked> Hello
2014-03-16 20:58 <velus> hello sked
2014-03-16 20:58 <Sked> nice to see you here again
2014-03-16 20:58 <osmantis> Bug #7056:04 crash while editing terrain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7056 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-16 20:58 <velus> ty
2014-03-16 21:02 <Plugh> I had a region crash when the memory usage got up around 2G. Is there some limit in terms of memory that can be used by a region before it can't get any more RAM?
2014-03-16 21:02 <Sked> velus i think my db tables for groups V2 is not good too
2014-03-16 21:02 <velus> how?
2014-03-16 21:02 <velus> how?
2014-03-16 21:03 <Sked> i still get the same error
2014-03-16 21:03 <Sked> only now when i make new group
2014-03-16 21:03 <velus> ok?
2014-03-16 21:03 <Sked> somethink is missing
2014-03-16 21:03 <velus> hmmm
2014-03-16 21:03 <Sked> but at least i can see groups now
2014-03-16 21:03 <velus> ini are exactly the same now except domain name
2014-03-16 21:04 <Sked> yes
2014-03-16 21:07 <nebadon2> Plugh in 32 bit 2gb is about the max
2014-03-16 21:07 <nebadon2> especially in windows
2014-03-16 21:08 <Plugh> That is a process limitation for windows?
2014-03-16 21:08 <nebadon2> its a limitation of 32 bit in windows yes
2014-03-16 21:08 <nebadon2> there was a hack you could do to extend this to 3gb
2014-03-16 21:08 <nebadon2> but it offers limited benefit
2014-03-16 21:08 <Plugh> ok. So when an instances gets to 2G any more memory required will lock up or crash the instance.
2014-03-16 21:09 <nebadon2> potentially yes, you will get messages like out of resources 
2014-03-16 21:09 <Plugh> ok.
2014-03-16 21:09 <Plugh> hm... let me check something.
2014-03-16 21:09 <Sked> does anyone of you guys have mybe groups_V2.sql file
2014-03-16 21:10 <Plugh> nebadon2: Hm... I'm running a 64-bit OS but I have to check if the grid management tool is running the 32 bit copies of OS.
2014-03-16 21:10 <nebadon2> ah maybe launching with OpenSim.32bitlaunch.exe?
2014-03-16 21:11 <Plugh> ah, yes. 64-bit os and the management tool is using the 32bit launcher.
2014-03-16 21:11 <nebadon2> ya thats why then
2014-03-16 21:11 <Plugh> ok. I'll see if I can update the management tool.
2014-03-16 21:12 <Sked> and what to add in ROBUST under [Groups]
2014-03-16 21:12 <Sked> for grid mode
2014-03-16 21:13 <Plugh> nebadon2: ok, ty. That might be an easy fix.
2014-03-16 21:15 <Sked> neb must be AccessToken in db too
2014-03-16 21:17 <Sked> in os_groups_membership
2014-03-16 21:18 <nebadon2> ?
2014-03-16 21:18 <Sked> i use Grous V 2
2014-03-16 21:18 <Sked> and have problems
2014-03-16 21:18 <Sked> can you tell me please if i must add somethink new in ROBUST.ini file
2014-03-16 21:18 <nebadon2> look at the Robust HG example ini file
2014-03-16 21:18 <nebadon2> that is if your using HG
2014-03-16 21:19 <nebadon2> if your not then there is no [Groups] section
2014-03-16 21:19 <Sked> i use only grid mode
2014-03-16 21:19 <Sked> o i see
2014-03-16 21:19 <nebadon2> ya then I beleive its just uncomment the connector at the top
2014-03-16 21:19 <Sked> but in grid mode dont work
2014-03-16 21:19 <Sked> i do that
2014-03-16 21:19 <Sked> i setup everythink like its in opensim wiki page
2014-03-16 21:20 <nebadon2> hmm
2014-03-16 21:20 <Sked> does [Messaging] have something in common with groups
2014-03-16 21:20 <nebadon2> nothing that would prevent groups from working I dont think
2014-03-16 21:21 <Sked> hm this is vierd
2014-03-16 21:21 <osmantis> Bug #7036:04 Teleports between regions in a mega-region do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7036 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2014-03-16 21:21 <|-fInE-|> yeah me too and nebadon said you have to disable the maprefresh of the tiles on warp3d
2014-03-16 21:21 <|-fInE-|> oh thats bad ;) 
2014-03-16 21:23 <Sked> but i all the time get this error message: http://pastebin.com/DndJqxdx
2014-03-16 21:23 <|-fInE-|> the group v2 is working on my grid 
2014-03-16 21:23 <Sked> can you tell me what is your settings please
2014-03-16 21:24 <Plugh> nebadon2: ty. I just changed the config files on the grid management program so it will no longer use the 32-bit launcher.
2014-03-16 21:25 <|-fInE-|> have you migrated your old base or did you create a new database for it ?
2014-03-16 21:26 <Sked> i do
2014-03-16 21:26 <nebadon2> I am testing groups now on my localhost robust grid
2014-03-16 21:26 <Sked> is it possible to find anywhere new .sql file
2014-03-16 21:26 <nebadon2> great Plugh, hopefully it runs better
2014-03-16 21:27 <|-fInE-|> i think this error means that something goes wrong on the backend ..
2014-03-16 21:27 <Sked> hm
2014-03-16 21:27 <Plugh> The grid is getting more activity. One region that often gets people hanging out to chat and listen to DJ'ed music several times of week crashed the other day due to the 2G memory issue.
2014-03-16 21:27 <Sked> i am trying to figure out this for 2 weeks now
2014-03-16 21:27 <Plugh> s/times of/times a/
2014-03-16 21:28 <nebadon2> ya if your trying to do SL type events you need 64 bit honestly
2014-03-16 21:28 <|-fInE-|> test it on a new database first and compare it with your current base
2014-03-16 21:28 <Plugh> we are getting around 20 to 25 people at the gatherings often now.
2014-03-16 21:28 <nebadon2> nice
2014-03-16 21:29 <Plugh> Sked: Can you compile the code yourself? If so, run with debug on so you can get more information about where the problem is located in the code.
2014-03-16 21:29 <nebadon2> 32 bit in linux does much better
2014-03-16 21:29 <nebadon2> it doesnt barf until 4gb
2014-03-16 21:29 <nebadon2> its mostly just a windows issue
2014-03-16 21:29 <Sked> hm ok
2014-03-16 21:30 <Plugh> nebadon2: ah, ok.
2014-03-16 21:30 <Sked> but i am not good at this
2014-03-16 21:30 <Plugh> Sked: Having the extra info when debug is on may help others direct you to what the problem may be.
2014-03-16 21:30 <nebadon2> Groups is working for me Sked
2014-03-16 21:31 <|-fInE-|> hehe we all learned on first time :D 
2014-03-16 21:31 <nebadon2> all I did was uncomment the connector in Robust.ini
2014-03-16 21:31 <nebadon2> let me paste you my OpenSim.ini you can compare
2014-03-16 21:31 <Sked> in grid mode too
2014-03-16 21:31 <Sked> tnx
2014-03-16 21:31 <Plugh> Thought you compared the ini files the other day.
2014-03-16 21:31 <nebadon2> ya standard grid mode for this test
2014-03-16 21:31 <nebadon2> not HG like my other grid
2014-03-16 21:31 <Sked> ok tnx
2014-03-16 21:32 <nebadon2> http://pastebin.com/mD2fiGry
2014-03-16 21:32 <nebadon2> check this line on your grid
2014-03-16 21:32 <nebadon2> i bet you have it wrong
2014-03-16 21:33 <Sked> i will try this way
2014-03-16 21:33 <nebadon2>     ServicesConnectorModule = "Groups Remote Service Connector"
2014-03-16 21:33 <nebadon2> but ya
2014-03-16 21:33 <nebadon2> just copy mine and put in your URL
2014-03-16 21:33 <nebadon2> give it a shot
2014-03-16 21:33 <Sked> ok
2014-03-16 21:34 <nebadon2> also this
2014-03-16 21:34 <nebadon2> LocalService = local
2014-03-16 21:34 <nebadon2> make sure its commented out
2014-03-16 21:34 <nebadon2> that for HG only
2014-03-16 21:34 <nebadon2> might cause problems in non HG configuration
2014-03-16 21:35 <Sked> o i see
2014-03-16 21:35 <Sked> mybe true
2014-03-16 21:39 <Sked> still get this error when i make group
2014-03-16 21:39 <Sked> somethink else couse this problem
2014-03-16 21:39 <nebadon2> error on robust or sim or both?
2014-03-16 21:39 <Sked> on robust
2014-03-16 21:40 <Sked> http://pastebin.com/DndJqxdx
2014-03-16 21:40 <nebadon2> is there any data in your groups database?
2014-03-16 21:40 <Sked> yes
2014-03-16 21:40 <Sked> and when i wear other group i create before then this new one show me up
2014-03-16 21:41 <Sked> i have feeling that somethink is wrong with my db tables
2014-03-16 21:42 <nebadon2> hmm ya could be
2014-03-16 21:43 <nebadon2> http://pastebin.com/6NrsYFGt
2014-03-16 21:43 <nebadon2> here is the .sql
2014-03-16 21:43 <nebadon2> for the groups tables
2014-03-16 21:44 <Sked> tnx i will try it
2014-03-16 21:44 <nebadon2> possible you had a migration failure on first startup
2014-03-16 21:44 <nebadon2> and did not notice
2014-03-16 21:45 <Sked> i hope this is problem
2014-03-16 21:48 <Sked> hm guess what?
2014-03-16 21:48 <Sked> its still the same
2014-03-16 21:49 <Sked> can be this mono problem
2014-03-16 21:49 <Sked> Mono JIT compiler version 3.0.6 (tarball Sat Sep 28 04:42:52 UTC 2013)
2014-03-16 21:52 <Sked> strange is that make me group in db
2014-03-16 21:53 <nebadon2> ya that is strange it would be odd if it was mono
2014-03-16 21:53 <nebadon2> my test was just on Windows 8
2014-03-16 21:53 <nebadon2> using mysql
2014-03-16 21:53 <Sked> what version of mono did you try
2014-03-16 21:55 <Sked> i have opensuse 13.1
2014-03-16 21:56 <nebadon2> my last test was on windows so no mono
2014-03-16 21:56 <nebadon2> was .net
2014-03-16 21:56 <nebadon2> but opensuse 13.1 should be fine
2014-03-16 21:56 <Sked> ok
2014-03-16 21:56 <nebadon2> and mono 3.0.6 should also be fine very odd problem for sure
2014-03-16 21:57 <nebadon2> did you ever try bypassing nginx?
2014-03-16 21:57 <nebadon2> and going directly to robust?
2014-03-16 21:58 <Sked> now i have disable nginx
2014-03-16 21:58 <Sked> i use apache2 for now
2014-03-16 21:58 <Sked> and webredux wich i change it 
2014-03-16 21:59 <nebadon2> ok so there is no proxy at all?
2014-03-16 22:00 <Sked> yes no proxy
2014-03-16 22:00 <Sked> but i have region on 2nd server
2014-03-16 22:00 <nebadon2> ya odd I am pretty stumped
2014-03-16 22:00 <Sked> and on first robust 
2014-03-16 22:00 <Sked> yes me too
2014-03-16 22:00 <Sked> i think i have server issue
2014-03-16 22:00 <nebadon2> did you also have offline IM uncommented in Robust?
2014-03-16 22:00 <Sked> ispconfig dont work me too
2014-03-16 22:01 <Sked> yes i have
2014-03-16 22:01 <nebadon2> ok so did I
2014-03-16 22:01 <nebadon2> really odd
2014-03-16 22:01 <Sked> haha true
2014-03-16 22:01 <nebadon2> I guess it could be mono 3.0.6
2014-03-16 22:01 <nebadon2> you have mono-complete installed?
2014-03-16 22:01 <nebadon2> ispconfig?
2014-03-16 22:01 <Sked> sec
2014-03-16 22:02 <Sked> now i restart robust too
2014-03-16 22:02 <Sked> let me try again
2014-03-16 22:02 <nebadon2> if your talking about network its > ifconfig
2014-03-16 22:02 <Sked> wow i think now will work
2014-03-16 22:02 <Sked> woho
2014-03-16 22:02 <nebadon2> what was it?
2014-03-16 22:02 <Sked> when i change db tables i didnt restart robust
2014-03-16 22:02 <Sked> only region
2014-03-16 22:02 <nebadon2> oh
2014-03-16 22:02 <nebadon2> ok great
2014-03-16 22:02 <Sked> yes
2014-03-16 22:03 <nebadon2> so my dump fixed it?
2014-03-16 22:03 <Sked> i think now work
2014-03-16 22:03 <Sked> i will try again
2014-03-16 22:03 <nebadon2> ok
2014-03-16 22:03 <Sked> with second avatar
2014-03-16 22:04 <Sked> yep
2014-03-16 22:04 <Sked> haha now work
2014-03-16 22:04 <Sked> uh
2014-03-16 22:04 <Sked> then it was my db tables problem
2014-03-16 22:04 <Sked> thank you neb
2014-03-16 22:04 <nebadon2> ya sounds like a bad migration then
2014-03-16 22:04 <Sked> yes true
2014-03-16 22:05 <nebadon2> no problem glad I could help
2014-03-16 22:05 <Sked> can you post this sql file down so new people can use it please
2014-03-16 22:05 <nebadon2> id rather not
2014-03-16 22:05 <Sked> this really help me
2014-03-16 22:05 <Sked> o i see
2014-03-16 22:05 <nebadon2> these things change it could confuse people more in the future
2014-03-16 22:05 <Sked> ok
2014-03-16 22:05 <nebadon2> your the first person i have ever seen mention this issue
2014-03-16 22:05 <Sked> you are right
2014-03-16 22:05 <nebadon2> i dont think its a common problem
2014-03-16 22:05 <Sked> no its not
2014-03-16 22:06 <Sked> and you add AcessToken too
2014-03-16 22:06 <Sked> this is not in wiki
2014-03-16 22:06 <nebadon2> what page are you talking about
2014-03-16 22:06 <Sked> i go all this thousent times
2014-03-16 22:07 <nebadon2> and just so you know Sked if you make a wiki account you can change pages too
2014-03-16 22:07 <nebadon2> or even create new pages
2014-03-16 22:07 <nebadon2> feel free to document your experiences
2014-03-16 22:07 <Sked> i dont want to change anythink that i dont mix anythink
2014-03-16 22:07 <Sked> haha
2014-03-16 22:07 <Sked> and tnx
2014-03-16 22:08 <Sked> can you just tlel me one think please
2014-03-16 22:08 <Sked> about HomeRegionID in GridUser db
2014-03-16 22:09 <Sked> what i must put in?
2014-03-16 22:09 <Sked> mybe key of region
2014-03-16 22:11 <nebadon2> let me look
2014-03-16 22:13 <nebadon2> Sked yes, it is the regions UUID
2014-03-16 22:13 <Sked> tnx
2014-03-16 22:35 <Sked> tnx neb again and nite
2014-03-16 23:20 <Plugh> Another option for Sked would have been to delete the structure from the group tables and let the migration on start up recreate what is needed.
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2014-03-17 01:59 <osmantis> Bug #7056:04 crash while editing terrain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7056 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-17 17:23 <Plugh> I have a few animations there were uploaded but forgot to set them to loop. Is there a way to modify the animation without having to re-upload it? The BVH files I have on disk are in text format but the asset in the db is some sort of binary format.
2014-03-17 17:36 <nebadon2> Plugh, I dont think so
2014-03-17 17:36 <nebadon2> danbanner was there anyway to modify animations after they have been uploaded?
2014-03-17 17:37 <nebadon2> I think the viewer strips out a lot of information after its uploaded, to the point it cant really be modified anymore
2014-03-17 17:38 <nebadon2> I remember VivK had something to edit bvh files, but I am not sure anything can be done after its been uploaded
2014-03-17 17:42 <nebadon2> Plugh, the only thing I can suggest and this is a really long shot at working, is to save an IAR of the animation in question, extract the file from the iar and see if it loads into Qavimator, you may not be able to edit the animation but you may be able to save it as an uploadable bvh file again, i give this like a 5% chance of actually working
2014-03-17 17:45 <Plugh> nebadon2: ok, thanks. Figured it might be a long shot but it never hurts to ask. 
2014-03-17 17:56 <Plugh> bah. The one thing that drives me nuts about v3 viewers is the inbility to click on an attachment to a group notice and get the item copied to inventory.
2014-03-17 18:06 <lkalif> there is no way in to modify animations
2014-03-17 18:07 <lkalif> no message in the protocol about it at all
2014-03-17 18:07 <Plugh> There is always a way. :)
2014-03-17 18:07 <lkalif> nope
2014-03-17 18:07 <Plugh> I didn't say an easy way.
2014-03-17 18:08 <lkalif> modify the binary asset on the server? i don't consider that to be "a way" :P
2014-03-17 18:09 <Plugh> It is one way to do it. Not something you would normally want to do and would best be avoided. It is also only possible if you can determine how the data is stored.
2014-03-17 18:10 <lkalif> you could also wait for the right cosmic ray to hit the hard disk patter to flip the exact right bit
2014-03-17 18:10 <lkalif> but in short, you cannot modify anims after the upload
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2014-03-17 20:25 <Velus> Ken_S: hows you?
2014-03-17 20:30 <|-fInE-|> Velus did you know? we all life in a milkyway :D
2014-03-17 20:30 <Velus> yes i knew
2014-03-17 20:31 <Velus> and where did that come from?
2014-03-17 20:32 <|-fInE-|> south africa? rofl :D
2014-03-17 20:32 <|-fInE-|> tell me i don't know :D
2014-03-17 20:33 <Velus> ok you drunk?
2014-03-17 20:34 <|-fInE-|> not really why?
2014-03-17 20:34 <Velus>  just asking lol
2014-03-17 20:34 <|-fInE-|> sometimes i'm joking :D
2014-03-17 20:35 <|-fInE-|> but sometimes i'm trunken as well :)
2014-03-17 20:35 <|-fInE-|> drunken*
2014-03-17 20:35 <Velus> you are now
2014-03-17 20:36 <|-fInE-|> lol
2014-03-17 20:36 <Ken_S> Velus, I am good, and you?
2014-03-17 20:36 <Velus> im good too 
2014-03-17 20:36 <Ken_S> How are things coming along with the web front end?
2014-03-17 20:36 <Ken_S> Havent been on much lately
2014-03-17 20:36 <Velus> pritty well atually
2014-03-17 20:37 <Ken_S> Great!
2014-03-17 20:37 <Ken_S> 2 twin grandkids this week lol
2014-03-17 20:37 <Velus> aww i know, i have the register activate and login setup but i dont have much else done im waiting to be moved to a new server provider im hoping it will be soon maybe next week or so 
2014-03-17 20:37 <Velus> so the site may go down soon for that
2014-03-17 20:37 <|-fInE-|> I count only the first and the last beer .. the beer in the middle is free :D
2014-03-17 20:38 <Ken_S> Good luck with it.
2014-03-17 20:38 <Velus> thank you
2014-03-17 20:38 <Ken_S> Things will come easier as you get more familiar with it.
2014-03-17 20:38 <Velus> im getting the new server provider donate a few servers to me 
2014-03-17 20:39 <Velus> its not that that is the problem its just the whole yeah setting up of the whole system making sure my custom cms is working well 
2014-03-17 20:39 <Velus> but i know once i get this set up i will be creating it all again with a new cms system again lol
2014-03-17 20:39 <Ken_S> 2nd time is always easier, cause you know what to plan for
2014-03-17 20:40 <Velus> but the new system will have a full new cms system and everything, yeah i guess so but it will be in a new format and a system that will have better security i it 
2014-03-17 20:40 <Velus> but i will be doing the two seperatly and giving them both away
2014-03-17 20:41 <Ken_S> Cool!
2014-03-17 20:42 <Plugh> lkalif: i found the information I needed on the structure of the binary form of the bvh data. I think I can flip the bit that needs to be flipped to turn on looping. I'll try it later (if only for sh*ts and giggles). :)
2014-03-17 20:42 <Plugh> Time for a break and a walk. bbl.
2014-03-17 20:44 <Velus> tyt Plugh and yeah will be fin to find out lol
2014-03-17 20:50 <|-fInE-|> Velus you should upgrade your humour database .. refer http://www.humour.com/ für more informations :D
2014-03-17 20:52 <nebadon_laptop> heh wow just had my first ever Windows 8 bluescreen
2014-03-17 20:52 <nebadon_laptop> blender
2014-03-17 20:52 <|-fInE-|> and i had some win32 exception caused by the modified ssl bridge of win8 :)
2014-03-17 20:53 <nebadon_laptop> just goes to show 24gb ram isnt enough
2014-03-17 20:53 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-03-17 20:53 <osmantis> Bug #7032:04 Region Specific Static Maptile doesn't work on varregions>1024x1024 (max size of a texture) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7032 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-17 20:53 <|-fInE-|> i think thats enough for a while :D
2014-03-17 20:54 <nebadon_laptop> wasnt today
2014-03-17 20:54 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-03-17 20:54 <nebadon_laptop> blender was using 20gb ram
2014-03-17 20:54 <nebadon_laptop> totally killed my machine
2014-03-17 20:54 <|-fInE-|> wow 
2014-03-17 20:54 <Velus> wtf 20gb ramm how the f what was you doing for it to use that much cretaing iffel tower full size
2014-03-17 20:55 <|-fInE-|> i never had that issue with blender
2014-03-17 20:55 <nebadon_laptop> it was a crazy Japanse house i got from Sketchup Warehouse
2014-03-17 20:55 <|-fInE-|> ah you've imported it from sketchup .. ah k
2014-03-17 20:56 <nebadon_laptop> haha ya
2014-03-17 20:56 <nebadon_laptop> its a model of this
2014-03-17 20:56 <nebadon_laptop> http://www.byodo-in.com/
2014-03-17 20:57 <|-fInE-|> i had some crazy crashes if i tried to import some stuff from 3d studio max
2014-03-17 20:58 <|-fInE-|> wow great 
2014-03-17 21:00 <osmantis> Bug #7032:04 Region Specific Static Maptile doesn't work on varregions>1024x1024 (max size of a texture) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7032 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2014-03-17 21:00 <nebadon_laptop> its not even so much that its really detailed model, its just sketchup is so inefficient
2014-03-17 21:00 <nebadon_laptop> its like there is no concept of solid models
2014-03-17 21:00 <nebadon_laptop> each face is its own object it seems like
2014-03-17 21:01 <nebadon_laptop> maybe thats just when dumped to a collada
2014-03-17 21:01 <nebadon_laptop> whatever it is the sketchup collada files are pretty unweildy
2014-03-17 21:01 <|-fInE-|> it was ideal for the google sim project .. but it has ended a couple of years ago
2014-03-17 21:02 <nebadon_laptop> ya google doesnt even own it anymore
2014-03-17 21:02 <nebadon_laptop> its actually about 1000% better since google sold it
2014-03-17 21:02 <nebadon_laptop> the warehouse is pretty awesome now
2014-03-17 21:02 <nebadon_laptop> google has no business being in the 3D worlds business
2014-03-17 21:02 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-03-17 21:03 <|-fInE-|> they created much things for the google project .. i found some stuff for it .. but i never could import things from sketchup into opensim
2014-03-17 21:03 <nebadon_laptop> Trimble bought Sketchup and Sketchup Warehouse, they are a GPS device manufacturer
2014-03-17 21:10 <|-fInE-|> but i found a project where people can rebuild houses within google map from 2D to 3D view.. with sketchup .. i'm intressted to import part of those maps into opensim .. 
2014-03-17 21:11 <nebadon_laptop> shouldnt be to difficult
2014-03-17 21:11 <nebadon_laptop> you can even get terrain from google earth pretty easily now, its fairly low quality though
2014-03-17 21:11 <lkalif> 
ACTION is testing ubuntu 14.04, I always forget what thing I have to do to enable alt-caming

2014-03-17 21:11 <lkalif> instead of windows moving around
2014-03-17 21:12 <|-fInE-|> lkalif: i hope the next long time support release comes out soon .. i'm not a fan of the other builds its to experimental
2014-03-17 21:13 <lkalif> i just installed beta version of that
2014-03-17 21:13 <AllenKerensky> um lkalif I use xmodmap to remap Alt_L
2014-03-17 21:15 <|-fInE-|> lkalif: don't kill my bandwith on repository :D
2014-03-17 21:18 <|-fInE-|> yeah 50% of the 2nd server .. i need 3 to finish my migration 
2014-03-17 21:20 <|-fInE-|> i changed now to singlecore virtual machines 
2014-03-17 21:20 <lkalif> |-fInE-|: what repository?
2014-03-17 21:21 <|-fInE-|> the ubuntu one :D it was fun because i'm using the german repository :D
2014-03-17 21:21 <lkalif> I don't understand
2014-03-17 21:22 <|-fInE-|> frolic you know ? :D
2014-03-17 21:22 <lkalif> I have no idea what you're talking about really
2014-03-17 21:22 <lkalif> perhaps take a step back or two?
2014-03-17 21:23 <|-fInE-|> repository is the server who holds the packages for ubuntu 
2014-03-17 21:23 <|-fInE-|> hmm forget it :D
2014-03-17 21:25 <lkalif> I know what a repository is lol
2014-03-17 21:25 <lkalif> what I don't know is which "my server" are you referring to?
2014-03-17 21:26 <|-fInE-|> its a hp proliant generation 5 with dual quadcore :)
2014-03-17 21:27 <lkalif> but which one? ubuntu runs a million server mirror network
2014-03-17 21:27 <lkalif> it's not one lol
2014-03-17 21:28 <|-fInE-|> ah i understand :D yes they have lots of rep servers online ;)
2014-03-17 21:28 <|-fInE-|> thats why i wrote it was frolic or a joke :D
2014-03-17 21:31 <|-fInE-|> ok you drunk? (c) velus 
2014-03-17 23:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #3362 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-17 23:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3362: SUCCESS in 7 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3362/
2014-03-17 23:26 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add regression test for http inventory fetch.
2014-03-17 23:27 <|-fInE-|> hey justin 
2014-03-17 23:27 <Velus> hey justincc hows things going
2014-03-17 23:28 <|-fInE-|> your inventory fetch looks great .. is it joined to master branch ?
2014-03-17 23:28 <justincc> Dunno, feel a little on edge for some reason - probably not enough greens in my diet
2014-03-17 23:29 <justincc> |-fInE-|: that's just an initial regression test - no func change
2014-03-17 23:29 <Velus> well have more green then lol or is it to much coffee lol. and justin you live in the uk?
2014-03-17 23:29 <|-fInE-|> synchronously responses sounds good on http 
2014-03-17 23:30 <justincc> it's only for regression tests since I need predictability there
2014-03-17 23:30 <justincc> Velus: yeah, I'm in the uk
2014-03-17 23:30 <Velus> porstmoth
2014-03-17 23:30 <Velus> or [lymoth
2014-03-17 23:30 <Velus> or plymoth?
2014-03-17 23:30 <justincc> near bournemouth
2014-03-17 23:31 <Velus> cool i used to date a lass in bornmouth well christchurch
2014-03-17 23:31 <justincc> yeah, it's actually xch where i live
2014-03-17 23:31 <justincc> but nobody has every heard of it :)
2014-03-17 23:31 <Velus> omg what a small world lol 
2014-03-17 23:31 <Velus> i didnt till i met her
2014-03-17 23:31 <Velus> we should meet up sometime i live in birmingham
2014-03-17 23:32 <justincc> yeah, might do another meetup one day :90
2014-03-17 23:32 <justincc> :)
2014-03-17 23:32 <Velus> you done meet ups before wish i new before 
2014-03-17 23:32 <Thonneve> More british people?!
2014-03-17 23:32 <Velus> im guessing a os meet up then
2014-03-17 23:33 <justincc> many years ago, when the world was young
2014-03-17 23:33 <Melanie_T> i'm all for it
2014-03-17 23:33 <Velus>  me too 
2014-03-17 23:34 <Velus> and justincc when ogg camp is back again can i do a talk about os ?
2014-03-17 23:34 <justincc> heh, I actually did one before about 4 years ago
2014-03-17 23:34 <justincc> 4 ppl turned up ;)
2014-03-17 23:34 <Velus> i would turn up lol
2014-03-17 23:34 <Thonneve> I would if it was near where I live
2014-03-17 23:35 <Velus> where you live Thonneve 
2014-03-17 23:35 <Thonneve> Bedford/MK area
2014-03-17 23:36 <Velus> ok i dated a lass in bedford last year lol didnt end well lol
2014-03-17 23:36 <Velus> i dated lasses all over the uk most never ended well
2014-03-17 23:37 <Thonneve> Fucking women (no offense Melanie_T or any other females in here)
2014-03-17 23:37 <justincc> I'm not sure saying "no offense" cancels out offensive stuff
2014-03-17 23:38 <Velus> i dont hate women for it tbh most of the time i messed up, but back then i was well yeah different than now
2014-03-17 23:38 <Velus> lol
2014-03-17 23:38 <Thonneve> justincc: I know it doesn't, I just didn't actually mean any offense by iy
2014-03-17 23:39 <Thonneve> by it*
2014-03-17 23:39 <Velus> i got a new saying now
2014-03-17 23:39 <Velus> bits and bytes may breake my computer but fucking shouting at it wont fix it
2014-03-17 23:39 <Thonneve> But throwing it across the room will!
2014-03-17 23:40 <Velus> no it makes it worse i should no im running a piece of junk cos i did that with my gaming pc 
2014-03-17 23:40 <Thonneve> I did the same with my gaming PC
2014-03-17 23:40 <Thonneve> The case fell to peices, still worked for a while
2014-03-17 23:40 <Thonneve> Until I decided to "fix" a problem with the GPU
2014-03-17 23:40 <Thonneve> Which inadvertantly killed everything
2014-03-17 23:41 <Melanie_T> Thonneve: that's crude
2014-03-17 23:42 <Velus> whats crude?
2014-03-17 23:42 <Velus> and yeah mine went out a open window which was 6 floors up
2014-03-17 23:42 <Velus> so it didnt work after that
2014-03-17 23:45 <Velus> justincc: can i do a talk about opensim in the next oggcamp ?
2014-03-17 23:45 <justincc> sure, I don't control who can do that :)
2014-03-17 23:45 <Thonneve> Melanie_T: I meant no offense by it, I'm sorry if you where offended by my statement
2014-03-17 23:45 <justincc> nor does anybody else
2014-03-17 23:46 <Velus> but its etticute to ask though rather than just doing so
2014-03-17 23:46 <Thonneve> Velus: Tell that to RMS who eats his foot during a talk
2014-03-17 23:46 <Velus>  ???
2014-03-18 00:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #3363 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-18 00:04 <Melanie_T> justincc: ping
2014-03-18 00:04 <justincc> Melanie_T: pong
2014-03-18 00:04 <Melanie_T> justincc: don't save it
2014-03-18 00:04 <justincc> why not?
2014-03-18 00:04 <Melanie_T> dwell is read only from the sim perspective
2014-03-18 00:05 <Melanie_T> it's generated by an external process which each grid has to provide
2014-03-18 00:05 <Melanie_T> using stats data gathered from the previous day
2014-03-18 00:05 <Melanie_T> by saving dwell back, this creates races
2014-03-18 00:05 <Melanie_T> it should however already have been read...
2014-03-18 00:05 <Melanie_T> maybe there is code for that elsewhere?
2014-03-18 00:06 <Velus> justincc: did you fix the offline messages? i think i seen it fixed in the github version
2014-03-18 00:06 <Melanie_T> when i left dwell, it was able to read and display the dwell from the db in world
2014-03-18 00:06 <Melanie_T> Velus: there are two offline message mechanisms. the old (OfflineMessagesModule) and the new (Addons)
2014-03-18 00:07 <Velus> it was the one that could be set in ini in .7.6.1
2014-03-18 00:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3363: SUCCESS in 3 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3363/
2014-03-18 00:08 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Save and load dwell parcel stat in MySQL DB adaptor.  Field in table already exists!
2014-03-18 00:08 <Melanie_T> justincc: if there was no more code to read it, and none automagically provided by the base sql adapter, then that code may have been dropped inadventently at some point
2014-03-18 00:08 <Velus> brb need to go to the shops for the coffee i ran out of it again i only bought it yesterday
2014-03-18 00:09 <justincc> no, there was no code for read.  The problem with not having write is that when the parcel data is re-written on startup, it should always get reset to zero
2014-03-18 00:10 <Melanie_T> justincc: how so? Dwell is data from the previous day. It's deposited in that field by external processes. The sim should never write that field.
2014-03-18 00:10 <justincc> on startup, the sim loads all land parcels and rewrites them to the db
2014-03-18 00:10 <justincc> don't ask me why, but it does
2014-03-18 00:11 <Melanie_T> weird
2014-03-18 00:11 <Melanie_T> but it should ignore that field for that process
2014-03-18 00:11 <Melanie_T> leaving it at the old value
2014-03-18 00:11 <H-H-H> something to do with altering a bitmap from what i saw when i skimmed the code
2014-03-18 00:11 <H-H-H> the reasone for the load and save
2014-03-18 00:11 <Melanie_T> of course if it does not, but deleted and rewrites it, saving well in a struct is the logical step
2014-03-18 00:11 <Melanie_T> in which case a write is of course needed
2014-03-18 00:12 <Melanie_T> but then it should be made sure that dwell is always written to zero when pacels are divided/joined
2014-03-18 00:12 <Melanie_T> and preserved in all other cases
2014-03-18 00:12 <H-H-H> that code is in thier is sets it to a default of 0
2014-03-18 00:12 <Melanie_T> the parcel ovrlay bitmap, i suppose
2014-03-18 00:13 <justincc> ok, the mysql is doing a replace, so it wouldn't overwrite the old value
2014-03-18 00:13 <Melanie_T> yes it would
2014-03-18 00:14 <Melanie_T> replace is defined as looking up the previous recoed using primary key or any given unique key in the new data
2014-03-18 00:14 <Melanie_T> deleting that row and inserting one with the new values
2014-03-18 00:14 <Melanie_T> it's just the same as the update ..... if not exist insert ..... semantics
2014-03-18 00:14 <Melanie_T> a shorthand
2014-03-18 00:15 <Melanie_T> replace into does not convert to an update set.... where ...
2014-03-18 00:15 <Melanie_T> it's always a delete / insert
2014-03-18 00:15 <Melanie_T> the only difference is that the primary key value is preserved
2014-03-18 00:16 <justincc> if there's no mechanism for writing Dwell in opensim then one can only ever do it via an external mechanism 
2014-03-18 00:16 <Melanie_T> justincc: correct. that has to be provided by the grid
2014-03-18 00:16 <Melanie_T> since each grid has it's own requirements as to camping detection/exclusion, etc.
2014-03-18 00:17 <Thonneve> Melanie_T: Is there any config to all all OS functions to a particular UUID? If not could this be implemented?
2014-03-18 00:17 <Melanie_T> Thonneve: you mean, let one UUID execute all and others none?
2014-03-18 00:18 <Thonneve> Essentially yeah
2014-03-18 00:18 <Melanie_T> there isn't such a config now, afaik, but you can easily make a config file that lists that uuid on the explicit list for ossl
2014-03-18 00:18 <Melanie_T> a simple script, if anything
2014-03-18 00:18 <justincc> there are simple scenarios where gaming the system is not a major concern
2014-03-18 00:18 <Thonneve> Melanie_T: How would I go about doing that?
2014-03-18 00:18 <Melanie_T> then that needs to be in a module that doesn't hook anything, like ParcelDwellRequest, by default
2014-03-18 00:19 <Melanie_T> and can be enabled by the user
2014-03-18 00:19 <Melanie_T> that would be in keeping with out rpolicies
2014-03-18 00:19 <Thonneve> Since I don't reckon it'd be effective to write Allow_os* for each and every os functions
2014-03-18 00:19 <Melanie_T> but i would not oppose a module that is configured ON by default
2014-03-18 00:19 <Melanie_T> but has to be able to be turned OFF
2014-03-18 00:19 <Melanie_T> and themn should not hook any events, as we have it with other modules
2014-03-18 00:19 <Melanie_T> such a module could then write dwell
2014-03-18 00:19 <justincc> you would need a way to disable dwell writing
2014-03-18 00:20 <Melanie_T> justincc: if land just preserves dwell throughout
2014-03-18 00:20 <Melanie_T> then changing dwell is within that module's purview
2014-03-18 00:20 <Melanie_T> if it's disabled, all that happens is dwell is preserved
2014-03-18 00:20 <Melanie_T> it would give the average user the new feature
2014-03-18 00:20 <Melanie_T> while not leaving the advanced grids in the rain
2014-03-18 00:21 <justincc> it means having another db query just to write dwell
2014-03-18 00:21 <justincc> which I think is ok, but that's the upshot
2014-03-18 00:21 <Melanie_T> no
2014-03-18 00:22 <Melanie_T> if the module wished to write dwell, all it has to do is to update it in the and module's data
2014-03-18 00:22 <Melanie_T> ILandObject.LandData.Dwell
2014-03-18 00:22 <Melanie_T> and it will be written in due course
2014-03-18 00:22 <Melanie_T> right?
2014-03-18 00:22 <justincc> but doesn't that leave you with the race condition where the simulator may be restarted at the exact time when your external mechanism writes the dwell number?
2014-03-18 00:22 <Melanie_T> justincc: i would consider that negligible in this case
2014-03-18 00:22 <justincc> without a transaction, making a non-zero chance of the external number being obliterated
2014-03-18 00:23 <justincc> sorry, I mean the old numbre preserved
2014-03-18 00:23 <Melanie_T> if there was no code to even read the field, then i don't believe anyone yet depends on it
2014-03-18 00:23 <Melanie_T> the race would be a subsecond window
2014-03-18 00:23 <justincc> subsecond races have a nasty habit of happening....
2014-03-18 00:23 <Melanie_T> and the effect would be the "loss" of a stat that isn't really vital
2014-03-18 00:23 <justincc> though not super critical in this case
2014-03-18 00:23 <Melanie_T> the sim will run with 0 dwell just fine
2014-03-18 00:23 <Melanie_T> even SL has dwell glitches
2014-03-18 00:24 <justincc> so, you're okay with writing dwell?
2014-03-18 00:25 <Melanie_T> yes
2014-03-18 00:25 <justincc> ok, thanks
2014-03-18 00:25 <justincc> I need to correct a bug
2014-03-18 00:25 <Melanie_T> as long as there is a way to NOT have ParcelDwellRequest fromt he viewer hooked in core code
2014-03-18 00:25 <Melanie_T> so people with existing dwell modules don't have to patch core
2014-03-18 00:26 <justincc> well, there is the existing DwellModule which just sends the data to the viewer
2014-03-18 00:26 <lkalif> why does dwell have to be something that each grid has to provide?
2014-03-18 00:26 <lkalif> is that another one of those "Avination has it, therefore core cannot?"
2014-03-18 00:27 <Melanie_T> nope
2014-03-18 00:27 <Melanie_T> quite the opposite
2014-03-18 00:27 <lkalif> explain then
2014-03-18 00:27 <Melanie_T> if you read above
2014-03-18 00:27 <justincc> No, I don't think so.  But I'm not sure I wanst to get into the complexities of calculating dwell in core
2014-03-18 00:27 <Melanie_T> core will get it and get it by default
2014-03-18 00:27 <justincc> just the ability to let other people do so
2014-03-18 00:27 <Melanie_T> all i'm after is for core code not to preclude doing it another way
2014-03-18 00:28 <Melanie_T> and it's not avination i'm worried about 
2014-03-18 00:28 <Melanie_T> simce for me it's a one0liner comment
2014-03-18 00:28 <Melanie_T> i'm concerned about others who don't want/can't/don't dare change core code
2014-03-18 00:28 <justincc> personally, I think that any sizable grid is a complicated thing, and if you want to do more complex stuff you need to understand what's happening
2014-03-18 00:29 <Melanie_T> justincc: for sizeable grids, agreed
2014-03-18 00:29 <Melanie_T> but there are people out ther running 128 regions in 8 instances on a single server
2014-03-18 00:29 <Melanie_T> for the enjoyment of themselves and their friends
2014-03-18 00:29 <Melanie_T> wunning wifi frontend
2014-03-18 00:29 <Melanie_T> pure core code
2014-03-18 00:29 <Melanie_T> and maybe experimenting with some addon modules
2014-03-18 00:30 <Melanie_T> if we stfle such efforts, we will lose these people
2014-03-18 00:30 <justincc> I think there's a balance where it's a very positive thing for those people to have functionality
2014-03-18 00:30 <justincc> without needing to switch so many things in config
2014-03-18 00:30 <Melanie_T> i'm looking out for that class of small gridrunner when i make sure core doesn't "take" a feature slot in a way no one else can do it differently anymore
2014-03-18 00:31 <Melanie_T> justincc: which is why i said that a default "ON" is good for this feature
2014-03-18 00:31 <Melanie_T> as long as there is an "OFF" switch...
2014-03-18 00:31 <justincc> yeah, things should also be disablable or replaceable where it makes sense
2014-03-18 00:32 <justincc> always, not also
2014-03-18 00:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #3364 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-18 00:37 <Melanie_T> justincc: i'm digging into MapImageService
2014-03-18 00:38 <Melanie_T> I see that there is no povision made for sims being removed
2014-03-18 00:38 <Melanie_T> an I seeing that right?
2014-03-18 00:38 <Melanie_T> There is no "RemoveMapTile"
2014-03-18 00:38 <justincc> I believe that's correct
2014-03-18 00:38 <Melanie_T> nor is there a way to bake the lesser resolutions of a tile es removed
2014-03-18 00:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3364: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3364/
2014-03-18 00:39 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix a bug in previous commit 01520bb where I accidentally saved OtherCleanTime instead of Dwell
2014-03-18 00:39 <Melanie_T> ouch justin that would have been funny :)
2014-03-18 00:39 <Melanie_T> people competing on who will set OtherCleanTime the highest
2014-03-18 00:39 <justincc> ugh
2014-03-18 00:40 <justincc> that's where it's useful to have many eyes on the code 
2014-03-18 00:41 <Melanie_T> it's likely that I will write a maptile cleaner
2014-03-18 00:41 <Melanie_T> it'll come to core once it's done
2014-03-18 00:41 <Melanie_T> but of course it will have to be run as an external job
2014-03-18 00:41 <Melanie_T> becuse of a sim goes away it can't clean up after itself
2014-03-18 00:41 <Melanie_T> so what i will to is check the regions table
2014-03-18 00:42 <Melanie_T> and kill all tiles present in the file system but not in regions
2014-03-18 00:42 <Melanie_T> sounds good?
2014-03-18 00:42 <justincc> maybe a robust service to occasionally run jobs would be good, though now we're duplicating cron....
2014-03-18 00:42 <Melanie_T> windows has no built-in user friendly cron, though
2014-03-18 00:42 <Melanie_T> i'll have a think on it
2014-03-18 00:42 <justincc> I think there is a service, but yeah, not exactly a simple user story
2014-03-18 00:43 <justincc> depends if one considers this advanced grid functionality or sometihng everybody really needs, I suppose
2014-03-18 00:43 <Melanie_T> windows has a service manager that works somewhat like cron
2014-03-18 00:43 <Melanie_T> but it can only launch code written as a service
2014-03-18 00:43 <Melanie_T> well, the easy fix is to delete all map tiles on startup
2014-03-18 00:44 <Melanie_T> that would serve standalones well enough
2014-03-18 00:44 <Melanie_T> but it falls short of the small grid expectations
2014-03-18 00:44 <Melanie_T> a robust scheduler might be the correct way to do this in a platform-independent fashion
2014-03-18 00:44 <justincc> yeah, one could also hook other jobs up to that as necessary
2014-03-18 00:48 <Melanie_T> justincc: btw, on later mono, String.Empty is now actually _slower_ than ""
2014-03-18 00:48 <Melanie_T> the optimizer has been improved
2014-03-18 00:48 <justincc> that's bizarre - I would have thought there would be zero difference
2014-03-18 00:48 <Melanie_T> nope
2014-03-18 00:49 <Melanie_T> in the old world, the statuc field reference was faster
2014-03-18 00:49 <Melanie_T> the "" caused the creation of a new object to be pushed then assigned
2014-03-18 00:49 <Melanie_T> the optimizer now holds the ref in cache
2014-03-18 00:50 <Melanie_T> and when "" is seen, the cached ref is substituted
2014-03-18 00:50 <Melanie_T> newobj is not called anymore
2014-03-18 00:50 <justincc> right, but String.Empty is just public static readonly String Empty = "";
2014-03-18 00:50 <justincc> at least in mono 2.10.6
2014-03-18 00:50 <lkalif> I will have to benchmark that. I doubt it's true.
2014-03-18 00:50 <Melanie_T> yes. it's a field ref though
2014-03-18 00:50 <Melanie_T> lkalif: i got a bulletin from xamarin about that change
2014-03-18 00:51 <justincc> I wonder what the Windows situation is like
2014-03-18 00:51 <lkalif> xamarin are bunch of morons if they made string.Emty *slower* than ""
2014-03-18 00:51 <Melanie_T> i think String.Empty will still be ldfld...
2014-03-18 00:51 <Melanie_T> lkalif: xamarin just _use_ mono
2014-03-18 00:51 <lkalif> no mono is xamarin
2014-03-18 00:51 <Melanie_T> lkalif: blame miguel if what they say is true
2014-03-18 00:52 <lkalif> nothing happpens in mono if xamarin doesn't get some $$$
2014-03-18 00:52 <Melanie_T> or so. i'm not sure so i suppose you're right
2014-03-18 00:52 <lkalif> they are taking all of the best opensource and making their own version for pay
2014-03-18 00:52 <lkalif> like "Xamarin Studio" 
2014-03-18 00:52 <lkalif> and mono mac
2014-03-18 00:52 <lkalif> and other evil things they do
2014-03-18 00:53 <justincc> Melanie_T: how did you get the bulletin.  A mailing list?
2014-03-18 00:53 <Melanie_T> justincc: i'm a xamarin customer with support contracts
2014-03-18 00:55 <lkalif> I bet Miguel is planning his "exit" by selling to Microsoft
2014-03-18 00:55 <justincc> I'm just thankful mono is still being developed.  If Miguel can actually make a bunch of money from it then more power to him
2014-03-18 00:56 <lkalif> justincc: they're doing opensource the wrong way
2014-03-18 00:56 <Melanie_T> lkalif: how so?
2014-03-18 00:56 <lkalif> taking Mono Develop, fixing it up, and releasing propriatory Xamarin Studio
2014-03-18 00:57 <lkalif> they did it to several opensource projects like that
2014-03-18 00:57 <justincc> monodevelop seems fine to me, but then I do't use very advanced functionality
2014-03-18 00:58 <lkalif> like mono-mac (native c# interface to mac apis), they took the opensource project and now they are charging $1000 for it
2014-03-18 00:58 <justincc> and the opensource project is no longer available?
2014-03-18 00:58 <lkalif> it is officially still on
2014-03-18 00:58 <lkalif> but it's basically dead
2014-03-18 00:59 <lkalif> I had trouble with Radegast running on Mac.
2014-03-18 00:59 <lkalif> Xamarin removed the ability to run Winform Apps on Mac
2014-03-18 00:59 <lkalif> and there is no information at all how to build mono for mac
2014-03-18 00:59 <justincc> ugh
2014-03-18 00:59 <lkalif> so I cannot just patch it, and distribute my own versin
2014-03-18 01:00 <justincc> isn't building mono for mac the same ./configure as linux?
2014-03-18 01:00 <Melanie_T> sadlly, no
2014-03-18 01:00 <lkalif> there are 3 tickets on bugzilla about it, not one comment from xamarin
2014-03-18 01:00 <lkalif> winforms is not something they make money on
2014-03-18 01:00 <lkalif> so lets fuck up the official mono distro
2014-03-18 01:01 <justincc> even if they are bad though, there's no alternative
2014-03-18 01:01 <justincc> no one else is running to create a clr for linux
2014-03-18 01:01 <lkalif> yeah,that's sad
2014-03-18 01:02 <lkalif> and they have licensed it in such a way that you need 3 lawyers to untagle the mess
2014-03-18 01:02 <lkalif> mono uses like 4 licenses at the same time
2014-03-18 01:03 <justincc> ok, I need to rest.  Goodnight folks
2014-03-18 01:04 <Melanie_T> well, they're actually alternative licenses as far as i understand
2014-03-18 01:05 <lkalif> nah
2014-03-18 01:05 <lkalif> some parts are bsd some lgpl
2014-03-18 01:06 <lkalif> you cannot bundle runtime for example
2014-03-18 01:06 <dahlia> dont unity games bundle runtime?
2014-03-18 01:13 <lkalif> dahlia: I'm sure they can afford to buy the propriatory license Xamarin offers
2014-03-18 01:18 <Melanie_T> i have no idea on the pricing they'd place on a redistribution license....
2014-03-18 01:20 <lkalif> at this point it would be better if microsoft bought them
2014-03-18 01:20 <lkalif> less evil
2014-03-18 01:20 <Melanie_T> i'm not sure
2014-03-18 01:20 <lkalif> i am
2014-03-18 01:20 <Melanie_T> there is one thing more evil than microsoft
2014-03-18 01:20 <Melanie_T> and that's google
2014-03-18 01:20 <lkalif> nah
2014-03-18 01:20 <lkalif> miguel is more evil than both
2014-03-18 01:20 <Melanie_T> what is your reasoning?
2014-03-18 01:21 <lkalif> he takes opensourcer and makes money off it by closing it
2014-03-18 01:21 <Melanie_T> how so?
2014-03-18 01:21 <Melanie_T> anything oce licensed lgpl or nsd cannot be "closed"
2014-03-18 01:22 <Melanie_T> you can close further development
2014-03-18 01:22 <Melanie_T> and sell that
2014-03-18 01:22 <Melanie_T> but what was opensource can't be un-opensourced
2014-03-18 01:23 <lkalif> project with no development is as good as dead
2014-03-18 01:23 <Melanie_T> well, reading the commit log, it's always been him and his cronies anyway
2014-03-18 01:23 <Melanie_T> it took nearly 6 months for my pull request to be processed
2014-03-18 01:23 <Melanie_T> and that was on a top 10 issue...
2014-03-18 01:24 <smxy> Doesn't that suggest there's no developer's willing to work on the free version and/or that people prefer the closed version?
2014-03-18 01:24 <Melanie_T> smxy: it proves the former
2014-03-18 01:24 <Melanie_T> not the latter
2014-03-18 01:24 <smxy> Nothing is stopping people from working on the free one, is there?
2014-03-18 01:24 <Melanie_T> lkalif disproves that
2014-03-18 01:24 <Melanie_T> mono is an ancredibly complex beast
2014-03-18 01:25 <Melanie_T> if i hadn't been forced to do it by circumstance, i'd have never dug into it
2014-03-18 01:25 <lkalif> if I want to have Radegast run for mac, I can 1) use 2.10 forever, 2) wait, there is no 2
2014-03-18 01:25 <Melanie_T> the learning curve is extremely steep
2014-03-18 01:25 <Melanie_T> now i'm quite conversant with mono/mono/mini
2014-03-18 01:25 <Melanie_T> but don't get me started on the libs....
2014-03-18 01:26 <Melanie_T> "mini" is the mono kernel
2014-03-18 01:26 <lkalif> microsoft was very opesource friendly lately
2014-03-18 01:26 <lkalif> i doubt they'd be charging for dev tools
2014-03-18 01:26 <lkalif> so it could only get better
2014-03-18 01:29 <Melanie_T> well, ms does embrace and extend
2014-03-18 01:29 <Melanie_T> xamarin did the same
2014-03-18 01:30 <lkalif> that's old microsoft
2014-03-18 01:31 <Melanie_T> so where do you call a new microsoft? IMHO, they haven't changed
2014-03-18 01:32 <lkalif> 5 years ago you had to buy dev tools in order to develop for windows
2014-03-18 01:33 <lkalif> today you can compile a complex piece of software like singularity
2014-03-18 01:33 <lkalif> with all the free tools microsoft provides
2014-03-18 01:33 <lkalif> i call that progress
2014-03-18 01:33 <Melanie_T> well, afaik the standard is still 2010, which never became free
2014-03-18 01:34 <Melanie_T> there have been hacks/tweaks/tricks to make the free (express) versions work
2014-03-18 01:34 <Melanie_T> but out of the box, it needs payware
2014-03-18 01:34 <lkalif> express works fine
2014-03-18 01:34 <lkalif> and you don't know what you're talking about
2014-03-18 01:34 <Melanie_T> nevertheless, i agree - if you want to encourage people writing for your platform, you need to make all dev tools free
2014-03-18 01:35 <Melanie_T> gcc is free on linux
2014-03-18 01:35 <Melanie_T> xcode is free on mac
2014-03-18 01:37 <Melanie_T> i still believe microsoft is just reacting to the ubuntu threat
2014-03-18 01:38 <Melanie_T> "linux for the masses"
2014-03-18 01:38 <Melanie_T> and valve deciding to release steam games for linux
2014-03-18 01:38 <lkalif> there is no ubuntu threat
2014-03-18 01:38 <lkalif> their threat is google
2014-03-18 01:38 <Melanie_T> microsoft's only edges are exchange and gaming
2014-03-18 01:38 <Melanie_T> there is no google desktop os
2014-03-18 01:39 <lkalif> sure there is, chrome os
2014-03-18 01:39 <lkalif> they want your apps to live in the cloud
2014-03-18 01:39 <lkalif> so you get os-is-a-web-browser
2014-03-18 01:39 <Melanie_T> for decades MS have kept linux down by making deals with game companies to NOT support linux
2014-03-18 01:39 <Melanie_T> they killed lokigames
2014-03-18 01:39 <Melanie_T> hardware makers were paid off handsomely not to release linux drivers
2014-03-18 01:40 <lkalif> but frankly. for 80% of ms users chrome os is enough for home use
2014-03-18 01:40 <lkalif> they use web mail and facebook anyway
2014-03-18 01:40 <Melanie_T> google is perceived as more evil than microsoft, at least in europe
2014-03-18 01:40 <lkalif> Melanie_T: no, in your head
2014-03-18 01:40 <Melanie_T> nope
2014-03-18 01:40 <lkalif> yep
2014-03-18 01:40 <Melanie_T> google represents Big Data
2014-03-18 01:40 <Melanie_T> and people are afraid of Big Data
2014-03-18 01:41 <lkalif> s/people/Melanie/g
2014-03-18 01:41 <Melanie_T> there is UK legislation already enacted and more on the way to curb google's data collection
2014-03-18 01:41 <lkalif> UK is a fascist state
2014-03-18 01:41 <Melanie_T> UK is my hme
2014-03-18 01:41 <Melanie_T> home*
2014-03-18 01:41 <Melanie_T> i might use procies to appear elsewhere
2014-03-18 01:42 <lkalif> you need to register for "porn filter" to be removed...
2014-03-18 01:42 <Melanie_T> procies, even
2014-03-18 01:42 <lkalif> you are filmed 1000s of times a day
2014-03-18 01:42 <Melanie_T> i'm happy about the cams. they keep muggings down
2014-03-18 01:42 <lkalif> UK is a truly fascist society
2014-03-18 01:42 <Melanie_T> and the maturity filters are anuisance but only one time
2014-03-18 01:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #3365 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-18 01:43 <lkalif> "democracy" censoring the internet, watching your every step. both online and in RL
2014-03-18 01:43 <lkalif> and you're worried about google
2014-03-18 01:43 <lkalif> and worship at the alter of state power
2014-03-18 01:43 <Melanie_T> yes. google is US. the US is Not Suitable to handle Big Data
2014-03-18 01:43 <Melanie_T> many here think so
2014-03-18 01:43 <lkalif> lol
2014-03-18 01:44 <lkalif> you perception of reality is so skewed, it's really not worth talking about it
2014-03-18 01:44 <Melanie_T> then stop
2014-03-18 01:44 <lkalif> ok
2014-03-18 01:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3365: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3365/
2014-03-18 01:46 <osjenkins> melanie: Add delete maptile ability to MapImageService - yet untested
2014-03-18 01:47 <|-fInE-|> they'll give there data to a big datacenter with much more space :D 
2014-03-18 01:50 <|-fInE-|> i hope they're unable to complete there quantum computers .. this will be a nightmare for us all 
2014-03-18 01:53 <lkalif> we already lost. the sheep are happy, cameras everywhere "keep muggings down", censorship of free speech and complete surveylance state is nice and jolly
2014-03-18 01:58 <|-fInE-|> the newspapers are trying to distract the people with there shit .. its only the precursor of the big data bang .. and no one know the goal of this .. but we wanna know it later .. i hope a 2nd snowdon stands up and the people will understand whats happend
2014-03-18 01:59 <dahlia> you really need another?
2014-03-18 02:00 <|-fInE-|> no but i have no access to the data :D
2014-03-18 02:05 <|-fInE-|> good night or day 
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2014-03-18 02:34 <AllenKerensky> fascinating discussion on the difference of views between US/UK
2014-03-18 02:34 <AllenKerensky> the best part is - I live in US and have worked for UK for last decade - wife is a UK citizen - looking from both sides of the pond, I'd have to say you're both right in different perspectives
2014-03-18 02:42 <dahlia> AllenKerensky: who was "representing" the US perspective? both lkalif and Melanie_T are in Europe
2014-03-18 02:50 <AllenKerensky> i kind of thought you were
2014-03-18 02:52 <AllenKerensky> but it was a long chat log so I may have misread some of it - but a lot of it echoed - UK fascism embraced by the UK as a good thing to keep muggers down, while calling US evil for being just as invasive... the usual I guess
2014-03-18 02:52 <dahlia> I am, but I wasn't participating 
2014-03-18 02:53 <velus> brb getting a coffee
2014-03-18 02:53 <AllenKerensky> yeah - while everyone is down on the USA and their rogue intelligentsia - you can tell a lot of people have never heard of the history of Bletchly Park, for example
2014-03-18 02:53 <AllenKerensky> amusing
2014-03-18 02:53 <dahlia> we're used to people in Europe having their totally incorrect opinions about us :)
2014-03-18 02:54 <AllenKerensky> not even sure its incorrect - but its certainly not the whole story
2014-03-18 02:55 <dahlia> well, incorrect in that they see what the sensationalist media tells them :P
2014-03-18 02:56 <AllenKerensky> ... just like here
2014-03-18 02:57 <velus> i dont have any incorrec opion of you lot
2014-03-18 02:57 <AllenKerensky> ... yet
2014-03-18 02:59 <Plugh> velus: Don't know if you saw my message earlier or not but I fixed the looping on some animations by editing the asset data in the database.
2014-03-18 02:59 <dahlia> well opinions wouldnt be opinions if they were correct, they would be facts... which are entirely different than opinions :P
2014-03-18 02:59 <velus> cool
2014-03-18 02:59 <velus> brb
2014-03-18 03:00 <Plugh> Byte 21 (start counting at 0) is a 00 and you change it to 01
2014-03-18 03:01 <velus> k
2014-03-18 03:02 <AllenKerensky> you're a nut - gonna write a console command to do that?
2014-03-18 03:03 <ssm2017> ;)
2014-03-18 03:27 <zadarkAlt> Heads up. http://opensimulator.org/ not responding..
2014-03-18 03:27 <velus> omg what a debate about closing a grid makes it fully secure lol but it takes a lot more to secure a grid and i mean a lot more lol 
2014-03-18 03:28 <velus> its working for me zadarkAlt 
2014-03-18 03:30 <velus> ok it was a chashed that loaded it is down for some reason
2014-03-18 03:34 <zadarkAlt> Something with the last set of commits results: [NEIGHBOUR SERVICES CONNECTOR]: Unable to send HelloNeighbour from var1 to Welcome.  Exception The request timed out  at System.Net.HttpWebRequest.GetRequestStream () [0x0005f] in /builddir/build/BUILD/mono-2.10.8/mcs/class/System/System.Net/HttpWebRequest.cs:746
2014-03-18 03:37 <dahlia> zadarkAlt: try it now
2014-03-18 03:37 <zadarkAlt> Thank you dahlia
2014-03-18 04:30 <osmantis> Bug #7036:04 Teleports between regions in a mega-region do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7036 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-03-18 04:42 <osmantis> Bug #7036:04 Teleports between regions in a mega-region do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7036 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2014-03-18 05:43 <KeyGruin>   cd ~
2014-03-18 05:44 <KeyGruin> wrong kb lol
2014-03-18 06:11 <dahlia> KeyGruin: "cd" does the same thing as "cd ~" and saves 2 keystrokes :)
2014-03-18 06:41 <nebadon_laptop> does it?
2014-03-18 06:41 <nebadon_laptop> cd ~ goes home
2014-03-18 06:48 <LiruCookies> yep
2014-03-18 09:41 <danbanner> so does "cd" :)
2014-03-18 12:34 <osmantis> Bug #7060:04 Objects rezzed on the region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7060 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-18 12:43 <osmantis> Bug #7061:04 Collisions and rayCast 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7061 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-18 13:34 <osmantis> Bug #7061:04 Collisions and llCastRay 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7061 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-03-18 14:06 <|-fInE-|> the not updating ip suxx on multiple servers .. each day a rolling restart :(
2014-03-18 14:09 <KeyGruin> thanks dahlia I didn't know that
2014-03-18 14:10 <KeyGruin> and I thought ~ was a shortcut lol
2014-03-18 14:21 <|-fInE-|> 4 those who don't know how to find out a public ip adress .. 
2014-03-18 14:22 <|-fInE-|> tell me i'll give you the code
2014-03-18 14:32 <velus> ok im going to work on the user profiles right now and for the dev version 0.8
2014-03-18 14:33 <velus> this is for my gui wich is comming along nicely
2014-03-18 14:41 <velus> i just need to figgure out how the profile masks work
2014-03-18 14:42 <velus> |-fInE-|: do you know how the profileSkillsMask and the profileWantToMask works how it gets the numbers and so
2014-03-18 14:42 <velus> is the set in the viewer or the system its seld
2014-03-18 14:47 <|-fInE-|> velus: what profile do you mean? the core ones ?
2014-03-18 14:47 <velus> yes the v2 core 
2014-03-18 14:48 <|-fInE-|> v2 osprofile :D
2014-03-18 14:48 <velus> yes
2014-03-18 14:48 <velus> in there you have profileWantToMask and such and it sets numbers like 255 63 etc i just want to know how it sets the numbers and such 
2014-03-18 14:54 <|-fInE-|> its linked to the user account service
2014-03-18 14:55 <velus> ok i sorta have it coverd i figgered out somethign now
2014-03-18 14:58 <velus> it seems to go 1 2 3 16 32 64 128
2014-03-18 14:58 <|-fInE-|> and the matching is the UUID of the account
2014-03-18 14:58 <velus> yes i know i am on about the atual ["profileWantToMask"] its self i now how it is linked
2014-03-18 14:59 <|-fInE-|> i think thats all you need to know about .. but what do you try to find ?
2014-03-18 15:00 <|-fInE-|> please tell me the goal
2014-03-18 15:00 <velus> i am trying to find out how the viewer interprates the numbers from that to put it to the correct value in the profile veiw, so i can then set it uip in a php class to be bale to set it up so i can have onlien profiles too
2014-03-18 15:01 <|-fInE-|> there are much numbers :D 
2014-03-18 15:02 <|-fInE-|> you only need to match the uuid and build a string with the other fields of the table .. i think thats the ground corse of sql sytax .. and than its your problem what you do with the other vlues
2014-03-18 15:02 <|-fInE-|> values*
2014-03-18 15:07 <|-fInE-|> but the profilesservice matches the accout email as well .. it cannot be empty so this is nessessary as well .. for your info
2014-03-18 15:08 <velus> i know how to get the info i know how to out put the info but where you have in the tables ["profileWantToMask"] you have a value to that ranging from 0 to 255 i was wondering how it assigns the value and how it works out what the value is to what the bit in the mask is 
2014-03-18 15:08 <velus> and now i am figguring it out it is a combantin of 0 , 1 , 2 , 4 , 16 , 32 , 64 , 128 
2014-03-18 15:09 <|-fInE-|> its an integer filed int(3) inside the userprofile table
2014-03-18 15:09 <|-fInE-|> field*
2014-03-18 15:09 <velus> i know that 
2014-03-18 15:10 <velus> its a number between 0 - 255 but how does the os system atually asign it and what does it mean
2014-03-18 15:11 <|-fInE-|> i think its the intressts pick
2014-03-18 15:11 <osmantis> Bug #7062:04 utterly mystifying Syntax error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7062 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-18 15:15 <|-fInE-|> just a moment browsing source for that 
2014-03-18 15:15 <velus> its bit shifting
2014-03-18 15:24 <|-fInE-|> i know 
2014-03-18 15:25 <|-fInE-|> i'm here now: private uint m_profileWantDoMask; // Profile window "I want to" mask
2014-03-18 15:27 <osmantis> Bug #7062:04 utterly mystifying Syntax error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7062 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-18 15:27 <velus> yes 
2014-03-18 15:30 <H-H-H> thats why they invented pastebin lol
2014-03-18 15:30 <H-H-H> wb
2014-03-18 15:35 <|-fInE-|> velus http://pastebin.com/HR6BijB7 
2014-03-18 15:35 <|-fInE-|> hi H-H-H
2014-03-18 15:36 <|-fInE-|> Excess flood kicks asses :D
2014-03-18 15:38 <osmantis> Bug #7062:04 utterly mystifying Syntax error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7062 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-18 15:43 <|-fInE-|> ah btw. offline IM's are integrated as well now .. great 
2014-03-18 16:41 <|-fInE-|> wow great sketchup models in opensim .. i'll try 
2014-03-18 16:45 <velus> i know |-fInE-| that im offline is in now im setting up my site and well working on the profiles atm 
2014-03-18 16:51 <misterblue> nebadon_, I won't be able to make it to the OpenSim meeting today... do you know of any pressing issues?
2014-03-18 16:51 <velus> |-fInE-|: i now know how to do the profiles ish i need to fully work on the class but i have an idea on what it needs to go like
2014-03-18 16:53 <|-fInE-|> velus great that you know it
2014-03-18 16:53 <velus> yeah but its a case of major ass set of functions and complexity for to set this but ill work on it for some time right now
2014-03-18 16:54 <misterblue> jakdaniels... I'll get your patch applied this evening (PDT) 
2014-03-18 16:54 <jakdaniels> misterblue... thanks :-) Hope it all looks ok... i had a fight with git ;-)
2014-03-18 16:55 <|-fInE-|> jakdaniels: don't fight with git we need it later as well :D
2014-03-18 16:55 <misterblue> it is always a slap fight if you tangle with git :)
2014-03-18 16:56 <jakdaniels> still I think i got it sussed now... and it even tells me if I'm trying to commit with whitespace now
2014-03-18 16:56 <jakdaniels> just so i can then have a fight with VS express 2010
2014-03-18 16:57 <|-fInE-|> i'm using vs express 2013 desktop
2014-03-18 16:58 <misterblue> you can turn off the whitespace check (seems to be a Linux kernel hotbutton) or just ignore the errors (like I do)
2014-03-18 16:58 <jakdaniels> does that have a proper option to set line endings to Unix style
2014-03-18 16:58 <jakdaniels> i added the whitespace check to git, due to VS using windows line ending unless told not to per file (not globally)
2014-03-18 16:59 <jakdaniels> pita it is
2014-03-18 16:59 <misterblue> I run everything through 'dos2unix' to fix any line endings... the OpenSim repository is all Linux line endings
2014-03-18 16:59 <|-fInE-|> as always microsoft do not support unix styles in there builds :D 
2014-03-18 16:59 <jakdaniels> yeah i know... i wish VS had a global option for Unix line endings
2014-03-18 17:01 <jakdaniels> it will do them, but its a save option you have to set for every file you change and save
2014-03-18 17:02 <jakdaniels> i can see the point of whitespace check... it means you don't get diffs where the only change in a line of code is some whitespace
2014-03-18 17:02 <|-fInE-|> but UTF-8 is supported i think
2014-03-18 17:02 <jakdaniels> less work for someone reviewing the patches
2014-03-18 17:10 <|-fInE-|> but you can commit unix-style line endings with git 
2014-03-18 17:16 <nebadon_> misterblue, nothing pressing no
2014-03-18 17:16 <misterblue> thanks, neb
2014-03-18 17:25 <|-fInE-|> i'll try to import a ferrari ff430 from sketchup :D
2014-03-18 17:37 <nebadon_> stuff from sketchup can be a mixed bag of success or fail
2014-03-18 17:37 <nebadon_> generally it takes a bit of filtering through blender and cleanup to make them work
2014-03-18 17:37 <nebadon_> sometimes you get lucky, generally though the more complex the model the less likely it will just work
2014-03-18 17:38 <|-fInE-|> yepp i received a parsing error on first time .. 
2014-03-18 17:38 <velus> nebadon_: when i have sorta got this new gui working including the profiles and such, how do i get it a space on the forge site for opensim for people to use
2014-03-18 17:38 <velus> im not that far from finishing the profiles for it 
2014-03-18 17:38 <nebadon_> |-fInE-| pro-tip : bring the sketchup collada into blender
2014-03-18 17:38 <nebadon_> export that collada as an .obj
2014-03-18 17:38 <nebadon_> then re-import that obj back into blender
2014-03-18 17:39 <nebadon_> then save it as a collada
2014-03-18 17:39 <nebadon_> velus, melanie can approve forge projects
2014-03-18 17:39 <nebadon_> however unless you actually enjoy working with svn
2014-03-18 17:39 <velus> ok ill talk to ther Melanie_T you about?
2014-03-18 17:39 <nebadon_> i would suggest it better to host it on github
2014-03-18 17:39 <velus> ok
2014-03-18 17:39 <nebadon_> forge is kind of there only as an archive
2014-03-18 17:39 <|-fInE-|> thats what i did with 3ds max models as well ;) i read anything about to extrude the model but i can't find the option 
2014-03-18 17:40 <nebadon_> its actually quite terrible to use
2014-03-18 17:40 <velus> ok
2014-03-18 17:42 <Melanie_T> velus: i'm here
2014-03-18 17:42 <velus> i was going to ask about adding a project to the sorceforge 
2014-03-18 17:42 <Melanie_T> you need to add it
2014-03-18 17:42 <Melanie_T> once you do, I get an email
2014-03-18 17:43 <Melanie_T> once I approve it, it will be ready to use within about 15 minutes
2014-03-18 17:43 <velus> im creating a web gui which will have have profiles groups ect in it 
2014-03-18 17:43 <velus> ok
2014-03-18 17:43 <Melanie_T> the forums and project pages come up immediately
2014-03-18 17:43 <Melanie_T> but the SVN is handled by a cron job and may take up to 15 minutes to be ready
2014-03-18 17:43 <velus> ok
2014-03-18 17:43 <Melanie_T> what is the purpose? is it for management or is it for social interaction?
2014-03-18 17:45 <velus> both management and social it will have a create user and a back end for admin to use so they can block edit users, it will have profiles, groups and such within it for people to use 
2014-03-18 17:45 <Melanie_T> well, just create the project and make sure to fill in the descriptions.
2014-03-18 17:45 <Melanie_T> then i'll approve it as soon as i get the system email (that can also sometimes take a moment)
2014-03-18 17:46 <velus> i will be im still creating the beta version of it its not finished yet i dont want to send it half done, but once i will be sinding it over. i will soon be filling out a full docs on it like how to install, how to use, and how to add things to it.
2014-03-18 17:47 <Melanie_T> k
2014-03-18 17:48 <|-fInE-|> i hope you know what you're doing :D
2014-03-18 17:48 <Melanie_T> the project is somwahat ambitious
2014-03-18 17:48 <Melanie_T> but nothing that can't be done
2014-03-18 17:49 <Melanie_T> it's been done twice before in php - opensimwi and wiredux
2014-03-18 17:49 <Melanie_T> and once in c# - wifi
2014-03-18 17:50 <Melanie_T> i believe there might also be a website with SimianGrid
2014-03-18 17:51 <|-fInE-|> the simiangrid isn't updated .. the current version supports only 0.7.x
2014-03-18 17:51 <|-fInE-|> since a couple of years theres no improvment on the project .. i like it but its not usable anymore at present
2014-03-18 17:53 <Melanie_T> i didn't follow it
2014-03-18 17:53 <Melanie_T> we use a combination of robust and apache based services
2014-03-18 17:53 <osmantis> Bug #7036:04 Teleports between regions in a mega-region do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7036 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-18 18:02 <|-fInE-|> nebadon_: its a little bit hard .. i can't import the model through obj because the envionment is emty all the time .. and through dae import it always ends in a dae parsing error .. hmm
2014-03-18 18:02 <osmantis> Bug #7036:04 Teleports between regions in a mega-region do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7036 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-18 18:03 <velus> Melanie_T: im working hard on this and |-fInE-| i do know what im doing im working on it very hard i have already done the create user activate user and now im working on the view profile for it
2014-03-18 18:16 <lkalif> heh, people should pay me to make predictions :P
2014-03-18 18:16 <lkalif> Is Microsoft about to buy Xamarin? http://www.zdnet.com/is-microsoft-about-to-buy-xamarin-7000027434/
2014-03-18 18:22 <velus> ok |-fInE-| i almsot fell into a little trap but i cought it intime
2014-03-18 18:30 <nebadon_> Xamarin has always worked pretty closely with Microsoft
2014-03-18 18:30 <nebadon_> they have done many big .net events with Microsoft in the past
2014-03-18 18:30 <nebadon_> novell did too
2014-03-18 18:31 <nebadon_> I dont see microsoft buying Xamarin
2014-03-18 18:34 <nebadon_> I think the big hubub is that Microsoft actually used Xamarin to port some game to Windows 8 if i recall now
2014-03-18 18:34 <nebadon_> i remember reading that a few weeks ago, I think thats what they were working on
2014-03-18 18:34 <danbanner> MS wants mobile phone market badly
2014-03-18 18:35 <Thonneve> danbanner: Too bad android is busy stealing it all
2014-03-18 18:36 <danbanner> exactly
2014-03-18 18:36 <dahlia> I dont think it was microsoft who ported the games, it was a 3rd party
2014-03-18 18:36 <Thonneve> I'm glad to contribute to microsoft loosing market presence
2014-03-18 18:44 <lkalif> Microsoft might see Xamarin as a way to enter Android market
2014-03-18 18:45 <lkalif> and the other way around, by encouragin c# development on Android and iOS to lure people to port stuff to Windows Phone
2014-03-18 18:45 <lkalif> Would be a good deal for everyone
2014-03-18 18:47 <Thonneve> OpenSim as a native android app when?
2014-03-18 19:03 <nebadon_> Thonneve I dont think android hardware is powerful enough to do anything useful with opensim other than make it start without errors
2014-03-18 19:03 <nebadon_> lol
2014-03-18 19:03 <nebadon_> hardware needs to get a lot more powerful
2014-03-18 19:04 <nebadon_> phones are to GPu reliant at the moment
2014-03-18 19:04 <Thonneve> nebadon_: Depends on the hardware, the HTC One is actually really powerful for the size
2014-03-18 19:04 <nebadon_> honestly im not sure android will ever be a good server environment
2014-03-18 19:04 <nebadon_> sure its powerful, but in terms of running opensim its like trying to run opensim on a 486 machine
2014-03-18 19:05 <nebadon_> maybe a 1st Generation Pentium
2014-03-18 19:05 <nebadon_> haha
2014-03-18 19:05 <nebadon_> I/O is really slow on android
2014-03-18 19:06 <Thonneve> Stock android is slow yes, but with modified kernels it's quite fast
2014-03-18 19:06 <nebadon_> ya fast compared to stock android
2014-03-18 19:06 <nebadon_> but not compared to a full on x86 server
2014-03-18 19:07 <Thonneve> That's because realistically ARM and android wasn't designed for speed
2014-03-18 19:07 <nebadon_> android is still in the Windows 3.1/Windows 95 era of performance in that regard
2014-03-18 19:08 <nebadon_> right
2014-03-18 19:08 <nebadon_> its designed to conserve power
2014-03-18 19:08 <nebadon_> == not be a server hehe
2014-03-18 19:08 <velus> Thonneve: do you know php specially pdo
2014-03-18 19:08 <Thonneve> velus: Not at all really
2014-03-18 19:08 <velus> you nebadon_ 
2014-03-18 19:08 <nebadon_> not really what are you trying to do?
2014-03-18 19:08 <nebadon_> i know php, not pdo specifically
2014-03-18 19:09 <velus> one sec i might have it anyway
2014-03-18 19:15 <osmantis> Bug #7038:04 Unwearing mesh attachments very slow and generates [SynchronousObjectRequester] message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7038 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-18 19:15 <velus> ok im having problems with it still and im asking in the php channel but im being ignored damm them all
2014-03-18 19:15 <velus> any way im trying to have it so a function checks two values and returns the uuid 
2014-03-18 19:15 <velus> i have this
2014-03-18 19:15 <|-fInE-|> no wonder :D
2014-03-18 19:16 <|-fInE-|> the time will come and you're ignored in each channel .. 
2014-03-18 19:17 <velus> you trying to be funny |-fInE-| 
2014-03-18 19:17 <Plugh> Every so often I get scripts that say that XEngine isn't available. Why do some scripts act like the XEngine is being requested.
2014-03-18 19:18 <nebadon_> Plugh its because you have a : in the first line of your script
2014-03-18 19:18 <nebadon_> you can specify the engine you want in first line of your script
2014-03-18 19:18 <nebadon_> and having a : in the comments on first line will trigger that message
2014-03-18 19:18 <Plugh> I know. I didn't realize it was just a : that triggered it checking.
2014-03-18 19:18 <nebadon_> nothing to worry about
2014-03-18 19:18 <nebadon_> ya
2014-03-18 19:19 <Plugh> I thought it was something before the : on the first line.
2014-03-18 19:19 <nebadon_> I dont think so
2014-03-18 19:19 <|-fInE-|> velus: each time i said you need to browse the source you're unable to do it .. i did the work for you today but tomorrow you need to learn to do this by yourself
2014-03-18 19:19 <velus> you didnt do any of the fucking work for me 
2014-03-18 19:20 <velus> |-fInE-|:  all you did is tell me to look at a apart of the codee that had nothing to do with what i was asking about
2014-03-18 19:20 <|-fInE-|> you did it now since 2 weeks and we are all developing your project .. the peoples here working for you right?
2014-03-18 19:25 <velus> no and some have helped me with little bits just little bits and you havent helped once all you have done is point me to bits of imformation that aint anything to do with what i was doing
2014-03-18 19:26 <|-fInE-|> i worked today 2 hours of my time for you .. isn't it enough ?
2014-03-18 19:26 <velus> it wasnt two houes at all and you POINTED ME TO THE WRONG INFORMATION
2014-03-18 19:27 <nebadon_> chill out guys, there is no limit on asking for help here, arguing is not productive
2014-03-18 19:28 <velus> nebadon_: if i was to ask you how the profile mask sets the number i.e 255 66 etc would you point me to how to get a uuid or how to retrive the profile view to get the number not how it is set?
2014-03-18 19:28 <nebadon_> hmm i would suggest asking Plugh or Diva
2014-03-18 19:29 <velus> ok
2014-03-18 19:29 <nebadon_> oh wait no
2014-03-18 19:29 <Dev_Random> or maybe lkalif.... 
2014-03-18 19:29 <nebadon_> diva did groups not profiles
2014-03-18 19:29 <nebadon_> bluewall did profiles
2014-03-18 19:29 <nebadon_> and he is not here.. but ya lkalif may know the protocol side of things, not sure if he will have much insite on the opensimulator side of things for v2 profiles its very new
2014-03-18 19:30 <nebadon_> justin might know too
2014-03-18 19:30 <Plugh> Velus is having a problem with core search and/or profile?
2014-03-18 19:30 <nebadon_> ya with profile mask i guess
2014-03-18 19:31 <nebadon_> i imagine osprofile and core profile handle that similarly
2014-03-18 19:31 <nebadon_> maube you had some insight?
2014-03-18 19:31 <nebadon_> i don't
2014-03-18 19:31 <Dev_Random> original question was about wantmask and skillmask... .what does each bit mean?
2014-03-18 19:32 <nebadon_> ya I imagine the answer is the same regardless of what profile service your using
2014-03-18 19:32 <velus> no Plugh i sorted it i am creating a web gui for the system, and was setting the class for profiles so the webpage can show a profile like the browser and have it say in the intrest picks what they want to do and what they can do, you have 8 things in them, i found out it was setting the want mask and skill mask to a int length of three and wondered how it set it
2014-03-18 19:32 <Plugh> nebadon_: I made a change to ossearch trunk to let it work with core groups/profile. I'm not sure if it should be on a branch as it starts getting complicated as to how to set things up when you might be using some stuff from core and some stuff using the addon modules.
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2014-03-18 19:32 <nebadon_> ok
2014-03-18 19:33 <nebadon_> i was having trouble with osprofile on master git with my varregions
2014-03-18 19:33 <Plugh> nebadon_: You shouldn't need to change anything.
2014-03-18 19:33 <Plugh> Oh? What sort of issue?
2014-03-18 19:33 <nebadon_> now that I think about it i meant to ask Misterblue about that and missed my chance this morning
2014-03-18 19:33 <nebadon_> it seems like wires are crossed or something
2014-03-18 19:34 <nebadon_> using osprofile r125 with master git and specifically on varregions only
2014-03-18 19:34 <Plugh> You getting duplicate results when seaching?
2014-03-18 19:34 <nebadon_> i get some red spew on console about dictionary or something
2014-03-18 19:34 <danbanner> index 
2014-03-18 19:34 <nebadon_> and whats odd is if i go back to a osprofile dll from december of 2012 it starts working again
2014-03-18 19:34 <danbanner> out of range maybe?
2014-03-18 19:35 <nebadon_> here it is
2014-03-18 19:35 <nebadon_> http://pastebin.com/YKDB2YTG
2014-03-18 19:35 <nebadon_> found it on other channel
2014-03-18 19:36 <nebadon_> it was like 2am-4am in the morning when i ran into it and i went over all my inis
2014-03-18 19:36 <nebadon_> completely stumped as to why an old version of profiles works fine but new version doesnt
2014-03-18 19:36 <Thonneve> nebadon_: Computers like doing that to people
2014-03-18 19:36 <nebadon_> and whats even more odd on same server i try newer on a non-var 256x256 region and it works
2014-03-18 19:36 <danbanner> on the plazas 125 works in reg or vars
2014-03-18 19:37 <nebadon_> ya its bizzaro, there was no consistancy
2014-03-18 19:37 <nebadon_> i even tried it on 2 completely different servers
2014-03-18 19:37 <nebadon_> and had same results
2014-03-18 19:37 <nebadon_> but dan tried it on a 3rd server and it worked
2014-03-18 19:37 <nebadon_> i need to go over it again soon when im more awake
2014-03-18 19:40 <Thonneve> nebadon_: Coffee is great for everything
2014-03-18 19:40 <nebadon_> haha
2014-03-18 19:40 <Thonneve> Tor :3
2014-03-18 19:44 <Dev_Random> velus-universe: I took a look for that bitmask code too... didn't see the bits defined.  thought it might be a "standard" set by LL, which is why I thought a viewer dev might have some insight.
2014-03-18 19:45 <smxy> OMG. I'm apparently the victim of identity theft. Someone filed a 2013 tax return, using my name and social security number. It wasn't me.
2014-03-18 19:45 <velus-universe> yeah thats what i thought too 
2014-03-18 19:45 <velus-universe> but i have found out the sets now and im working on setting it now, but i am working on a lot of information
2014-03-18 19:47 <Plugh> nebadon_: That pastebin doesn't look like it came from ossearch. 
2014-03-18 19:47 <nebadon_> hmm
2014-03-18 19:47 <nebadon_> let me update again Plugh and try
2014-03-18 19:48 <Plugh> nebadon_: latest DLL will not search groups or profile. It relies on using BasicSearchModule.
2014-03-18 19:48 <nebadon_> i was using r125
2014-03-18 19:48 <nebadon_> whats on the osgrid.org downloads page
2014-03-18 19:48 <Plugh> let me check latest version number
2014-03-18 19:48 <nebadon_> its like 129 or something
2014-03-18 19:49 <Plugh> Latest version of ossearch is rev 211. osprofile is 128.
2014-03-18 19:51 <nebadon_> ok
2014-03-18 19:51 <nebadon_> let me update to 125 again and get the error
2014-03-18 19:52 <lkalif> Unity to support WebGL http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/18/unity-partners-with-mozilla-to-port-its-popular-game-engine-to-the-web/
2014-03-18 19:52 <Plugh> nebadon_: ok
2014-03-18 19:52 <nebadon_> oh heh, i ssh'd into server and the error was still on console
2014-03-18 19:52 <nebadon_> i hadnt reverted region
2014-03-18 19:53 <nebadon_> http://pastebin.com/dVjieV7n
2014-03-18 19:53 <nebadon_> there it is Plugh
2014-03-18 19:54 <nebadon_> whenever i try to view my profile i get that error, and a blank profile
2014-03-18 19:54 <nebadon_> but if i go back to an older dll from dec, 2012 profiles work
2014-03-18 19:54 <Plugh> That doesn't seem to mention either profile module that I can tell. It seems to be something about data being passed.
2014-03-18 19:54 <nebadon_> it says opensim profile module in part of the error
2014-03-18 19:55 <nebadon_> at OpenSimProfile.Modules.OpenProfile.OpenProfileModule.get_UserManagementModule
2014-03-18 19:55 <Plugh> Ah, I see. Odd. filename unknown, line number 0??
2014-03-18 19:57 <lkalif> line 0 is mono thing
2014-03-18 19:58 <nebadon_> im recompiling now
2014-03-18 19:58 <lkalif> remind me, where do you put 3rd party source?
2014-03-18 19:59 <nebadon_> opensim-libs repository
2014-03-18 19:59 <nebadon_> 1 sec
2014-03-18 19:59 <nebadon_> git clone git://opensimulator.org/git/opensim-libs
2014-03-18 19:59 <lkalif> ah addon-modules
2014-03-18 19:59 <lkalif> you're ralking about osgrid profile modile, right?
2014-03-18 19:59 <nebadon_> oh no
2014-03-18 20:00 <nebadon_> you want the source for osprofile?
2014-03-18 20:00 <nebadon_> its on forge
2014-03-18 20:00 <nebadon_> http://forge.opensimulator.org/gf/project/osprofile/scmsvn/?action=AccessInfo
2014-03-18 20:00 <lkalif> rev 128
2014-03-18 20:05 <Plugh> nebadon_: Can you drop source in to your builds and recompile? It looks like the debug info is missing so I can't tell what part of the module code is throwing the error.
2014-03-18 20:06 <nebadon_> that is what I am doing now
2014-03-18 20:06 <nebadon_> just about to log in
2014-03-18 20:07 <nebadon_> here you go Plugh > http://pastebin.com/CqFNuCKx
2014-03-18 20:08 <lkalif> is there a way to list loaded modules on the consooe?
2014-03-18 20:09 <nebadon_> lkalif > show modules
2014-03-18 20:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #3366 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-18 20:11 <Thonneve> Why is the buildbot so out of date?
2014-03-18 20:11 <justincc> out of date?
2014-03-18 20:11 <lkalif> it crashes in OpenProfile.cs line 46
2014-03-18 20:11 <Thonneve> justincc: I swear theres a newer version of mono
2014-03-18 20:12 <justincc> yes, but 2.10 is earliest supported
2014-03-18 20:12 <nebadon_> there is we test on minimum
2014-03-18 20:12 <Thonneve> Ahh right
2014-03-18 20:12 <lkalif> nebadon_: when did this started happening?
2014-03-18 20:12 <lkalif> the osgrid profile problem
2014-03-18 20:12 <nebadon_> very recent lkalif
2014-03-18 20:12 <nebadon_> i just noticed it couple of days ago
2014-03-18 20:12 <velus-universe> ok im half way done with the profiles system now
2014-03-18 20:12 <nebadon_> and the odd part is its only happening on var regions for me
2014-03-18 20:12 <lkalif> the line is  m_uMan = m_Scenes[0].RequestModuleInterface<IUserManagement>();
2014-03-18 20:13 <lkalif> where m_Svcenes is empty and index 0 throws out-of-range exception
2014-03-18 20:14 <lkalif> so the question is why a region isn't added to it
2014-03-18 20:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3366: SUCCESS in 3 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3366/
2014-03-18 20:14 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Lock m_syncRoot on DoubleQueue.Count.  This is not documented as a thread-safe operation
2014-03-18 20:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #3367 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-18 20:16 <nebadon_> it must be something with how vars are being handled, only thing I can think lkalif
2014-03-18 20:16 <nebadon_> so far it only happens on vars, but not all vars though either
2014-03-18 20:16 <nebadon_> so wtf
2014-03-18 20:16 <Dev_Random> threading issue nebadon_?   big Vars take longer to init, and scene is not set yet when that code is called?
2014-03-18 20:17 <lkalif> nebadon_: can you do a small test for me
2014-03-18 20:17 <nebadon_> sure lkalif
2014-03-18 20:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3367: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3367/
2014-03-18 20:18 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add scene.<scene-name>.QueuedFetchInventoryRequests stat
2014-03-18 20:18 <lkalif> in the module, file OpenProfile.cs comment out with // lines 80 and 81
2014-03-18 20:18 <nebadon_> ok
2014-03-18 20:18 <lkalif> in function AddRegion()
2014-03-18 20:18 <lkalif> comment out if (!m_Enabled) and return
2014-03-18 20:20 <nebadon_> recompiling
2014-03-18 20:22 <lkalif> ah this could be my local conf issue :(
2014-03-18 20:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #3368 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-18 20:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3368: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3368/
2014-03-18 20:26 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Allow "show stats" console command to take a full stat name and display only that stat.
2014-03-18 20:26 <velus-universe> hey justincc hows you
2014-03-18 20:27 <justincc> tired.  How about you?
2014-03-18 20:27 <velus-universe> working hard on the profile part of my site
2014-03-18 20:28 <velus-universe> its comming along nicely
2014-03-18 20:29 <nebadon_> well lkalif
2014-03-18 20:29 <nebadon_> I no longer get that error, but i also still dont see my profile :/
2014-03-18 20:29 <nebadon_> what the heck
2014-03-18 20:29 <lkalif> nebadon_: I had to modify GridCommon.ini
2014-03-18 20:30 <nebadon_> what did you change?
2014-03-18 20:30 <lkalif> under Profile] section added  Module = OpenSimProfile
2014-03-18 20:30 <nebadon_> ya i have that
2014-03-18 20:30 <nebadon_> let me double check
2014-03-18 20:30 <lkalif> vars don't work with ode, right?
2014-03-18 20:30 <nebadon_> oh
2014-03-18 20:30 <nebadon_> i found the problem
2014-03-18 20:30 <nebadon_> sigh
2014-03-18 20:31 <nebadon_> i must have been tired that night lol
2014-03-18 20:31 <nebadon_>     Module = "OpenProfileModule"
2014-03-18 20:31 <nebadon_> is what i have
2014-03-18 20:31 <nebadon_> thats old isnt it?
2014-03-18 20:31 <nebadon_> module got dropped
2014-03-18 20:31 <lkalif> i didn't have that line at all
2014-03-18 20:31 <lkalif> which was what was causing the error
2014-03-18 20:31 <dahlia> lkalif: no I dont think they do but I thought radams said he might make ODE work later
2014-03-18 20:31 <nebadon_> is it just OpenProfile?
2014-03-18 20:31 <nebadon_> or OpenProfileModule?
2014-03-18 20:31 <nebadon_> i do recall this changing
2014-03-18 20:31 <lkalif> [Profile] ; Change it to your own HTTP server to have the Profile server work
2014-03-18 20:31 <lkalif>     ProfileURL = http://profiles.osgrid.org/profile.php
2014-03-18 20:31 <lkalif>     Module = OpenSimProfile
2014-03-18 20:32 <danbanner> its OpenSimProfile now i think
2014-03-18 20:32 <danbanner> you must have been tired lol
2014-03-18 20:32 <lkalif> I cannot run bullet for some reason in visual studio
2014-03-18 20:32 <lkalif> so I cannto debug var anything
2014-03-18 20:32 <dahlia> lkalif: maybe try bulletxna?
2014-03-18 20:32 <nebadon_> ok well now we know why it was broken for me
2014-03-18 20:33 <nebadon_> it used to be OpenSimProfileModule
2014-03-18 20:33 <danbanner> ya isnt bulletxna for debugging?
2014-03-18 20:33 <nebadon_> and i guess i only updated a few of my simulators to new variable
2014-03-18 20:33 <Dev_Random> just the vars?
2014-03-18 20:33 <nebadon_> how odd it was only my vars
2014-03-18 20:33 <nebadon_> that didnt get changed lol
2014-03-18 20:33 <danbanner> lol
2014-03-18 20:34 <nebadon_> man gremlins are evil sometimes
2014-03-18 20:34 <lkalif> nebadon_: "Correlation does not imply causation"
2014-03-18 20:34 <lkalif> remember that :P
2014-03-18 20:34 <nebadon_> haha
2014-03-18 20:34 <danbanner> heh
2014-03-18 20:35 <danbanner> and 4am isnt ideal editing time either
2014-03-18 20:35 <nebadon_> one of those things you could stare at for 2 hours and not see
2014-03-18 20:35 <dahlia> 4am isnt? pffft that's my prime coding time
2014-03-18 20:35 <lkalif> tracing trough code execution to find where the problem is FTW
2014-03-18 20:35 <danbanner> lol normal people dahlia ;p
2014-03-18 20:35 <lkalif> dahlia: +1
2014-03-18 20:38 <lkalif> hmm, why does't bullet load for me
2014-03-18 20:39 <lkalif> how do I tell it to load the bullet module in ini?
2014-03-18 20:40 <danbanner> physics= in [Startup]
2014-03-18 20:40 <lkalif> just physics = BulletSim?
2014-03-18 20:40 <nebadon_> yes
2014-03-18 20:40 <nebadon_> this is good too
2014-03-18 20:40 <nebadon_> [BulletSim]
2014-03-18 20:40 <nebadon_>     UseSeparatePhysicsThread = true
2014-03-18 20:40 <nebadon_>     TerrainImplementation=0
2014-03-18 20:41 <lkalif> do I have to do anything special to get bullet compiled from the source
2014-03-18 20:42 <nebadon_> you mean the source not from our opensim-libs repository?
2014-03-18 20:42 <lkalif> no I just checkout opensim and compile
2014-03-18 20:42 <nebadon_> no then
2014-03-18 20:42 <nebadon_> should just work
2014-03-18 20:42 <lkalif> i get 3 physics engines, basic, ode and pos
2014-03-18 20:42 <lkalif> but not bullet
2014-03-18 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #5892:04 Addition of Export Asset Flag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5892 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-18 20:43 <nebadon_> what version of opensim is this?
2014-03-18 20:43 <lkalif> just pulled like 30 min ago
2014-03-18 20:43 <nebadon_> is it an old ini?
2014-03-18 20:43 <lkalif> yes
2014-03-18 20:43 <nebadon_> thats probably why
2014-03-18 20:43 <danbanner> ini has changed alot
2014-03-18 20:46 <lkalif> I don't feel like starting ini dance from scratch
2014-03-18 20:46 <nebadon_> you really dont have too
2014-03-18 20:46 <dahlia> hmm I guess bulletxna got taken out?
2014-03-18 20:46 <nebadon_> no bulletxna gets set in the other section
2014-03-18 20:47 <dahlia> oh which section?
2014-03-18 20:48 <nebadon_> [BulletSim]
2014-03-18 20:48 <nebadon_> BulletEngine = "bulletunmanaged"
2014-03-18 20:48 <nebadon_> ; BulletEngine = "bulletxna"
2014-03-18 20:48 <nebadon_> look in OpenSimDefaults.ini for all the sprinkles
2014-03-18 20:48 <nebadon_> lots of tuneable things
2014-03-18 20:50 <dahlia> oooou sprinkles :D
2014-03-18 20:50 <dahlia> mmmm donut
2014-03-18 20:51 <lkalif> i copied the whole [BulletSim] from defaults
2014-03-18 20:51 <lkalif> no luck
2014-03-18 20:52 <dahlia> xna works for me
2014-03-18 20:53 <nebadon_> how can you tell its not using Bullet?
2014-03-18 20:53 <dahlia> hmmmm good question
2014-03-18 20:53 <lkalif> Could not load file or assembly 'BulletXNA.dll' or one of its dependencies. Access is denied.
2014-03-18 20:53 <lkalif> that might explain it
2014-03-18 20:54 <Velus> justincc: i have 90% of the profiles done now for the site, i have the most of the class done for to view your own profile, i need ot set up the part of the profile on the view now and then do the rest
2014-03-18 20:54 <lkalif> fixed... 
2014-03-18 20:55 <lkalif> .dll files in bin should have +x in git
2014-03-18 20:55 <dahlia> lkalif: linux?
2014-03-18 20:55 <Velus> lkalif your good with c# yes?
2014-03-18 20:56 <lkalif> dahlia: windows. but cygwin git
2014-03-18 20:56 <dahlia> oh
2014-03-18 20:56 <lkalif> cygwin git respects executable flags
2014-03-18 20:56 <nebadon_> hmm ya that is a wierd error
2014-03-18 20:56 <nebadon_> are you trying to use XNA?
2014-03-18 20:56 <dahlia> didnt think windows had a exe flag
2014-03-18 20:56 <lkalif> it does
2014-03-18 20:57 <nebadon_> xna is the C# version
2014-03-18 20:57 <lkalif> nebadon_: nope, but it causes the exception and the whole bullet module fails to initialize
2014-03-18 20:57 <nebadon_> ah ok
2014-03-18 20:57 <nebadon_> wierd
2014-03-18 20:57 <lkalif> Velus: yes
2014-03-18 20:58 <lkalif> I'd submit a pull request.. oh wait... :P
2014-03-18 20:59 <Velus> ok i am running a windows system and i seem to be having problems with imagic in php its not working properly is there a way you would do a little c# engine that would convert the image blob of j2k to a jpeg image blob and return it back to the site. i.e if i have some info sent to http:domain.com:80021/imageconvert/{image uuid} and that will return the blob but in jpg format? as a little way around my problem?
2014-03-18 21:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #3369 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-18 21:01 <lkalif> Velus: what exactæy is your problem with php and imagick?
2014-03-18 21:03 <lkalif> justincc: you might as well do it on Npgsql.dll
2014-03-18 21:03 <justincc> ok
2014-03-18 21:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3369: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3369/
2014-03-18 21:04 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add scene.<scene-name>.ProcessedFetchInventoryRequests
2014-03-18 21:04 <justincc> ah yeah, I looked on my linux box but managed to miss that one
2014-03-18 21:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #3370 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-18 21:05 <justincc> lkalif: be wary if you ever actually try to run opensim under cygwin.  There are some very obscure gotchas with having the TEMP env var set
2014-03-18 21:07 <justincc> back later
2014-03-18 21:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3370: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3370/
2014-03-18 21:08 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Set executable flag on BulletXNA.dll for cygwin
2014-03-18 21:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #3371 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-18 21:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3371: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3371/
2014-03-18 21:11 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Set executable bit on Npgsql.dll for cygwin
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2014-03-18 21:20 <Velus> lkalif: i cant seem to get the extesion to load in my iis server i have tried everythign and looked everything up about it to
2014-03-18 21:21 <misterblue> justincc is right... the TMP/TEMP/tmp/temp envrionment problem in cygwin is a real mess
2014-03-18 21:21 <lkalif> extension? i'd try to execute cómmand line "convert"
2014-03-18 21:21 <lkalif> misterblue: I'm not running opensim under cygwin. I just like to use bash prompt and command line tools
2014-03-18 21:21 <Velus> what in the opensim?
2014-03-18 21:22 <lkalif> i run inside visual studio for debugging
2014-03-18 21:22 <lkalif> Velus: what bit of php code is that? 
2014-03-18 21:22 <misterblue> I couldn't use Windows without cygwin... I'm an old UNIX command line kind of guy :)
2014-03-18 21:23 <lkalif> yeah, that's why I wanted opensim to work with cygwin's git ;)
2014-03-18 21:23 <nebadon_> ok interesting
2014-03-18 21:23 <nebadon_> i find the most bizzare shit
2014-03-18 21:23 <nebadon_> so i tried fixing profiles on my 2nd server and found its doing same thing as before still
2014-03-18 21:23 <nebadon_> turns out its an ini order loging issue
2014-03-18 21:23 <lkalif> little know fact: nebadon_ is surrounded by a special magnetic field that makes stuff break
2014-03-18 21:24 <nebadon_> the 2nd server i am using -inidirectory= when launching opensim
2014-03-18 21:24 <nebadon_> to specify where my OpenSim.ini is etc..
2014-03-18 21:24 <nebadon_> when i do this, it seems the [Profile] setting in GridHypergrid.ini overrides what is in GridCommon.ini
2014-03-18 21:25 <nebadon_> 
ACTION smashes head on desk

2014-03-18 21:25 <misterblue> I've been thinking about opening up the INI file can of worms.... there are lots of things to fix
2014-03-18 21:25 <Velus> i dont have nay code atm i have tried installing the imagick dll extension in php in iis server but it keeps cumming up with errors, so im needing to find anotherway to view images in php the only solution i could come up with is either run it through imagemagick which would mean creating atual files then converting them which would not be the best or to have a c# do it like the program does in opensim but a sepate terminal for it so i could have it
2014-03-18 21:25 <Velus>  done though a php 
2014-03-18 21:25 <misterblue> ick.... 
2014-03-18 21:25 <nebadon_> i literally had 2 computers exibiting the exact same error because of 2 completely different issues lol
2014-03-18 21:26 <misterblue> velus... doesn't PHP have a command line command function? you could build a command to do the file conversion using the imagemagic command line stuff
2014-03-18 21:26 <lkalif> what misterblue said
2014-03-18 21:26 <lkalif> install ImageMagick for windows
2014-03-18 21:27 <lkalif> run convert.exe through php and then passthrough the temp file
2014-03-18 21:27 <lkalif> it should be no more than 10 lines of php
2014-03-18 21:27 <Velus> yes but i would need to get the blob from the db change that to a file then have the imagemagick convert it to a .jpeg and view that 
2014-03-18 21:27 <nebadon_> that is actually pretty easy
2014-03-18 21:27 <Velus> it wouldnt be it would be a lot more lkalif i have looked into it and have started it 
2014-03-18 21:28 <Velus> there is a php extension called imagick which is the imagemagick extension but it aint working on my windows iis server
2014-03-18 21:28 <nebadon_> ya might be a lot harder on IIS
2014-03-18 21:28 <lkalif> you would have to pull data from the db anyway. creating a temprary file isn't going to cost much extra
2014-03-18 21:29 <lkalif> you could make a cache and check "do I have this image already converted"
2014-03-18 21:29 <misterblue> you probably already have seen this: http://www.php.net/manual/en/imagick.setup.php
2014-03-18 21:29 <Velus> it would cost a lot of code to create the first file in a .j2k then convert to .jpeg 
2014-03-18 21:30 <lkalif> not really
2014-03-18 21:30 <Velus> misterblue: i have read that i have done everythign on that but i keep getting errors on it something about me using a 64 system
2014-03-18 21:30 <lkalif> i bet it's like < 50 lines of code with caching
2014-03-18 21:30 <misterblue> are there both 32 and 64 bit versions of the dll?
2014-03-18 21:31 <lkalif> i think they distribute only 32 bit
2014-03-18 21:32 <lkalif> executing convert.exe would be much more stable than running inside IIS server process anyway
2014-03-18 21:32 <Velus> yes they have both but im getting erros misterblue 
2014-03-18 21:33 <nebadon_> velus > http://pastebin.com/39xG4RNu
2014-03-18 21:34 <nebadon_> example of pulling maptile from db
2014-03-18 21:34 <nebadon_> err from asset server
2014-03-18 21:36 <Velus> ok? a little confusing there nebadon_ but im getting the image from the db it would be the profile image and then show it on the user profile on the web
2014-03-18 21:36 <lkalif> it's incomplete, it probably redirtects to the tile at the end
2014-03-18 21:36 <lkalif> or fpassthru
2014-03-18 21:37 <nebadon_> right i just wanted to show you lines 7-11 really
2014-03-18 21:37 <nebadon_> how you get to the rest of the information would be up to you
2014-03-18 21:38 <Plugh> nebadon_: I went out for walk and got back a few minutes ago. Your problem(s) with osprofile were ini related?
2014-03-18 21:39 <nebadon_> thats just the conversion process how I do it here : http://my.osgrid.org/region.php?region_name=Sisyphus
2014-03-18 21:39 <nebadon_> Plugh yes
2014-03-18 21:39 <nebadon_> im not sure how to resolve the second issue though
2014-03-18 21:39 <Plugh> What is the second issue?
2014-03-18 21:39 <nebadon_> i dont want to have to edit GridHypergrid.ini if i dont have to
2014-03-18 21:39 <lkalif> Velus:  http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Jp2_batch_converter_for_windows tells you where to get convert.exe and image_to_j2k.exe
2014-03-18 21:39 <Plugh> ah.
2014-03-18 21:40 <nebadon_> the second issue is if i use -inidirectory=
2014-03-18 21:40 <Plugh> Which setting(s) are conflicting? I read through a lot of the scroll back but not sure of the fine details.
2014-03-18 21:40 <nebadon_> it appears the [Profile] section in GridHypergrid.ini overrules GridCommon.ini
2014-03-18 21:40 <nebadon_> and that is just wrong
2014-03-18 21:40 <lkalif> [Profile] section Module = OpenSimProfile setting
2014-03-18 21:40 <Plugh> Should GridHypergrid.ini even have a [Profile] section?
2014-03-18 21:40 <nebadon_> kind of sucks im not sure what to do, in the long run anyway i could bandaid it now
2014-03-18 21:41 <nebadon_> good question Plugh I am not even sure
2014-03-18 21:41 <nebadon_> it forces basic there
2014-03-18 21:41 <Plugh> One is a "common" file the other is not(?) - I'm about to look at those files to see what is there.
2014-03-18 21:41 <Velus> lkalif: thats for perl not php
2014-03-18 21:41 <lkalif> what happens if you change it to OpenSimProfile there too
2014-03-18 21:41 <nebadon_> normally in the default opensim configuration GridCommon.ini overrides GridHypergrid.ini
2014-03-18 21:42 <nebadon_> oh I am sure it would work lkalif if i changed it there
2014-03-18 21:42 <lkalif> Velus: I gave you that link because it explains how to get convert.exe and image_to_j2k.exe installed
2014-03-18 21:42 <nebadon_> but Grid.ini and GridHypergrid.ini are not supposed to be modified
2014-03-18 21:42 <nebadon_> just know Velus
2014-03-18 21:43 <lkalif> whan are you putting those modules on github?
2014-03-18 21:43 <nebadon_> if your going to be doing a check in your converted folder to act as like a cache, so its not constantly converting images
2014-03-18 21:43 <Velus> me?
2014-03-18 21:43 <lkalif> i want to see when was this check added
2014-03-18 21:43 <nebadon_> you probably want to set up a timer to expire them
2014-03-18 21:45 <Plugh> Hm... only the Hypergrid ini files include a [Profile] section.
2014-03-18 21:45 <lkalif> just put "Module = OpenSimProfile" in it ;)
2014-03-18 21:45 <Plugh> :)
2014-03-18 21:46 <nebadon_> I suspect diva added this in to Hypergrid.ini because the basic profile module isnt actually for profiles
2014-03-18 21:46 <nebadon_> it allows you to drop inventory onto someones profile to pass objects
2014-03-18 21:46 <Plugh> Hm... perhaps that is a typo?? HyperSimianGrid.ini has a [Profiles] section (plural, not singular)
2014-03-18 21:47 <nebadon_> hence wanting to insure its enabled for all HG people
2014-03-18 21:47 <nebadon_> like i said in normal configuration loading this would never occur
2014-03-18 21:47 <nebadon_> its because im redirecting where my inis are located it appears to be causing out of order loading or something
2014-03-18 21:48 <Plugh> Could that be a bug in the grid code if it is using a different load order just because you told it where to get the files?
2014-03-18 21:48 <nebadon_> maybe
2014-03-18 21:48 <lkalif> use symlink instead of redirecting ;)
2014-03-18 21:48 <nebadon_> i cant
2014-03-18 21:48 <Plugh> It shouldn't make a difference. It should just figure out where to get the files. Use a default location or specified one then call the loading routine.
2014-03-18 21:49 <nebadon_> i have multiple simulators running from same folder
2014-03-18 21:49 <lkalif> you run multiple from one bin?
2014-03-18 21:49 <nebadon_> ya
2014-03-18 21:50 <lkalif> i should convert it to git and put on github just so i can see rev history
2014-03-18 21:50 <lkalif> osgrid profiles module
2014-03-18 21:51 <Plugh> nebadon_: The only reference I find to BasicProfileModule is in OpenSim/Region/CoreModules/Avatar/Profile/BasicProfileModule.cs
2014-03-18 21:51 <Plugh> In Initialise() it checks for "UserProfiles" to see if the module should be enabled or not.
2014-03-18 21:52 <lkalif> the same is for osgrid progile module
2014-03-18 21:52 <lkalif> except it checks for OpenSimProfile
2014-03-18 21:52 <Plugh> UserProfiles is specified in OpenSimDefaults.ini
2014-03-18 21:53 <Plugh> The basic profile module isn't check for a setting in a section of an ini.
2014-03-18 21:53 <Plugh> or not in the same way.
2014-03-18 21:55 <Plugh> nebadon_: I'm thinking that Profile section in the HG file shouldn't be there.
2014-03-18 21:56 <nebadon_> well ya, but I think I understand why it is, maybe Diva can explain
2014-03-18 21:56 <nebadon_> im pretty sure she added that there
2014-03-18 21:56 <Plugh> I'm also looking at OpenSim/Region/Application/ConfigurationLoader.cs and I'm not completely sure about what I'm reading. It appears that when you use -inidirectory it will load some files then do the normal loading.
2014-03-18 21:56 <nebadon_> without the basic profile module HG avatars cant pass inventory to each other
2014-03-18 21:56 <Plugh> Look at the file starting around line 142.
2014-03-18 21:57 <Plugh> Right. But if HG is loading GridCommon it would seem that GridCommon is the place for the profile section. How else would you get profiles for non-HG grids?
2014-03-18 21:58 <Dev_Random> the problem there is mostly with the way it handle INCLUDE directives.  Take a look at the loading order in your OpenSim log
2014-03-18 21:59 <lkalif> I'm wondering when it became mandatory to use Module = in [Profile] section
2014-03-18 21:59 <lkalif> that's something new
2014-03-18 21:59 <Plugh> If you specify ini directory it adds all ini files it can find in that directory to a list of sources to read, from what I'm seeing so far.
2014-03-18 22:01 <Plugh> nebadon_: What if you were to remove the .ini files from the default places and only have them in the place you specify with -inidirectory?
2014-03-18 22:01 <Plugh> hmm... that might still be an issue as it may wind up reading the files in the order it finds them in the specified directory.
2014-03-18 22:04 <Dev_Random> you can put OpenSim.ini in your "inidirectory", and then put your other overrides in a subdir of it, and include them. .much like OpenSim uses config-include dir....
2014-03-18 22:07 <Plugh> The loading code reads the default ini, then OpenSim.ini, then it will read the files in the specified ini directory.
2014-03-18 22:11 <lkalif> damn, I deleted the module source and now I cannot find the svn url lol
2014-03-18 22:12 <lkalif> help
2014-03-18 22:13 <nebadon_> http://forge.opensimulator.org/gf/project/osprofile/scmsvn/?action=AccessInfo
2014-03-18 22:13 <lkalif> but that's for running server side of things? does it also contain the client module?
2014-03-18 22:13 <nebadon_> sorry got distracted on phone
2014-03-18 22:13 <nebadon_> it does
2014-03-18 22:14 <lkalif> thanks
2014-03-18 22:17 <lkalif> GridCommon.ini.example
2014-03-18 22:17 <lkalif> in it doesn't have Module = bit
2014-03-18 22:18 <nebadon_> ya I dont think it should in core code
2014-03-18 22:18 <nebadon_> because this is an external module
2014-03-18 22:18 <nebadon_> oh
2014-03-18 22:18 <nebadon_> you mean in svn thats right
2014-03-18 22:18 <nebadon_> Plugh can you fix that?
2014-03-18 22:18 <diva> what's the problem?
2014-03-18 22:18 <nebadon_> hey diva
2014-03-18 22:19 <lkalif> nebadon_: yes, in the svn module example file
2014-03-18 22:19 <nebadon_> if i use -inidirectory= to launch opensim
2014-03-18 22:19 <Plugh> nebadon_: That was the loading order of ini files in the grid code from what I'm reading.
2014-03-18 22:19 <nebadon_> the [Profile] section in GridHypergrid.ini overrides what is set in GridCommon.ini
2014-03-18 22:19 <nebadon_> which is bad
2014-03-18 22:19 <diva> ?
2014-03-18 22:19 <nebadon_> since technically we shouldnt be touching GridHypergrid.ini
2014-03-18 22:20 <diva> GridCommon *always* overrides GridHypergrid
2014-03-18 22:20 <nebadon_> right
2014-03-18 22:20 <nebadon_> accept when you use -inidirectory=
2014-03-18 22:20 <nebadon_> it doesnt
2014-03-18 22:20 <diva> why?
2014-03-18 22:20 <nebadon_> that I don't know
2014-03-18 22:20 <Dev_Random> nebadon_: do you have both of those files in your inidirectory?
2014-03-18 22:20 <nebadon_> but if i comment it out in GridHypergrid.ini it starts working
2014-03-18 22:20 <nebadon_> yes i do Dev_Random
2014-03-18 22:21 <Dev_Random> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6970
2014-03-18 22:21 <diva> what's inidirectory supposed to do?
2014-03-18 22:21 <Dev_Random> just put your overrides there
2014-03-18 22:21 <nebadon_> put my overrides where?
2014-03-18 22:21 <nebadon_> i dont understand
2014-03-18 22:21 <Dev_Random> in the inidirectory
2014-03-18 22:22 <nebadon_> all my inis are there Dev_Random
2014-03-18 22:22 <nebadon_> diva it lets you specify where your ini files will live
2014-03-18 22:22 <Dev_Random> right.  that's the problem.  it's reading all the default ones, and then reading the inidirectory ones in random order
2014-03-18 22:23 <Dev_Random> inidirectory is process AFTER the default files.. not "instead of".
2014-03-18 22:23 <nebadon_> im not really sure how i change that Dev_Random, im running multiple simulators from the same bin
2014-03-18 22:23 <nebadon_> i removed all the inis from /bin
2014-03-18 22:23 <diva> any documentation about inidirectory?
2014-03-18 22:23 <nebadon_> hmm not sure
2014-03-18 22:24 <Dev_Random> there's a comment on the startup args wiki page
2014-03-18 22:24 <Melanie_T> inidirectory was added at some point, however, it's not really useful
2014-03-18 22:24 <Melanie_T> you want to use inifile
2014-03-18 22:24 <Melanie_T> to point to what would normally be your opensim.ini, but outside of bin
2014-03-18 22:25 <nebadon_> hmm ok
2014-03-18 22:25 <Plugh> diva: Nothing that came up in a search of the wiki
2014-03-18 22:26 <Dev_Random> I find inidirectory is useful to just specify overrides... no need to create a whole new OpenSim.ini
2014-03-18 22:26 <nebadon_> ya makes sense
2014-03-18 22:26 <nebadon_> it was working great for me up until now
2014-03-18 22:26 <Melanie_T> the issue is that files are added in directory order
2014-03-18 22:26 <nebadon_> ya 
2014-03-18 22:26 <Melanie_T> order is determined by the underlying filesystem and not deterministi
2014-03-18 22:26 <Melanie_T> c
2014-03-18 22:27 <Dev_Random> right...  I added a patch to make it actually override things... was my first patch, and didn't want to fix "too much"
2014-03-18 22:27 <nebadon_> ok i'll change my method, what a pain
2014-03-18 22:27 <nebadon_> i have a lot of regions using this way
2014-03-18 22:30 <Ken_S> I recall seeing in a prev message that HG inventory doesnt work when using V2 profiles, is that correct?
2014-03-18 22:31 <lkalif> Melanie_T: buy why would the order of file loading depend on which method of determening ini dir is used
2014-03-18 22:32 <Melanie_T> inifile loads a single named file. it then has Include-* directives that determine the load order of more files
2014-03-18 22:32 <Melanie_T> inidirectory just loads any ini in that directory in natural filesystem order (readdir order)
2014-03-18 22:32 <nebadon_> ya i basically got lucky for the last year
2014-03-18 22:32 <lkalif> 
ACTION sees 3 switches related to ini, inifile, inidirectory, inimaster

2014-03-18 22:32 <nebadon_> wasnt a problem until very recently, like this last week
2014-03-18 22:40 <lkalif> https://github.com/lkalif/osprofile
2014-03-18 22:40 <lkalif> :P
2014-03-18 22:41 <osmantis> Bug #6694:04 llSetKeyframedMotion object is phantom when moveing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6694 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-18 22:44 <Plugh> Dinner. bbl.
2014-03-18 22:45 <nebadon_> nice lkalif, its good to have them archived on github too
2014-03-18 23:01 <osmantis> Bug #6694:04 llSetKeyframedMotion object is phantom when moveing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6694 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-18 23:02 <Thonneve>  Melanie_T: That's a very nice explination
2014-03-18 23:02 <Melanie_T> :)
2014-03-18 23:02 <Melanie_T> i wrote it
2014-03-18 23:02 <Melanie_T> i mean, the keyframe stuff
2014-03-18 23:03 <Thonneve> The code, or the explanation?
2014-03-18 23:04 <Melanie_T> the code
2014-03-18 23:04 <Thonneve> Ahh right
2014-03-18 23:04 <Thonneve> Any idea if an elevator could work in bulletsim?
2014-03-18 23:04 <Melanie_T> you can just use llMoveToTarget with physical prims
2014-03-18 23:05 <Melanie_T> that doesn't require any changes to keyframe
2014-03-18 23:05 <Melanie_T> it's a different mechanism
2014-03-18 23:05 <Thonneve> But I mean am I going to have issues when I stand on one side of the elevator?
2014-03-18 23:05 <Melanie_T> it's physical and WILL push/carry avatars, provided the motion is not so fast that it moces more than 1/2 avatar height in 1/11th of a second
2014-03-18 23:05 <Melanie_T> you need to apply rotation locks
2014-03-18 23:05 <Thonneve> Ahh
2014-03-18 23:06 <Melanie_T> STATUS_ROTATE+*
2014-03-18 23:06 <Thonneve> So I take it they work in bulletsim?
2014-03-18 23:06 <Melanie_T> STATUS_ROTATE_*
2014-03-18 23:06 <Melanie_T> where * is X, Y or Z
2014-03-18 23:06 <Melanie_T> i believe so but haven't tested it personally
2014-03-18 23:06 <Thonneve> It never worked the last time I tried
2014-03-18 23:06 <Melanie_T> bulletsim has the feature anyway
2014-03-18 23:06 <Thonneve> Does ODE?
2014-03-18 23:06 <Melanie_T> ode doesn't have the feature, to implement rotation lock, you need to use strong angular motors
2014-03-18 23:07 <nebadon_> I am not sure it actually works yet
2014-03-18 23:07 <nebadon_> axis locking that is
2014-03-18 23:07 <Thonneve> Ahh, so that explains why the last time I made an elevator stopping the rotation never worked
2014-03-18 23:07 <nebadon_> in regards to bulletsim
2014-03-18 23:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #3372 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-18 23:07 <Melanie_T> misterblue: how about axis lock in bulletsim, is it in yet?
2014-03-18 23:08 <Thonneve> Can I stop it from moving on the X and Y positions? so I don't run into the wall of an elevator and have it clip the walls?
2014-03-18 23:08 <misterblue> there is an axis lock although it is limited -- the constraint is a little weak for general use
2014-03-18 23:08 <Melanie_T> if axis lock is set, the motor force applied will be pure
2014-03-18 23:09 <Melanie_T> you will get pretty much no drift
2014-03-18 23:09 <Thonneve> Awesome
2014-03-18 23:09 <Thonneve> misterblue: Could it be used for an elevator do you think?
2014-03-18 23:09 <misterblue> it will work for that
2014-03-18 23:09 <Thonneve> That's all I personally need it for, so that's awesome
2014-03-18 23:09 <misterblue> it doesn't work as well for building geared machines
2014-03-18 23:10 <Thonneve> I doubt SL does either tbh
2014-03-18 23:10 <lkalif> now that opensim has switched to use .net 4 perhaps an evaluation of native threadsafe collections would be in order
2014-03-18 23:10 <Thonneve> I can't imagine someone in SL making a engine
2014-03-18 23:11 <misterblue> I should update http://opensimulator.org/wiki/BulletSim/Functionality although it is correct for llSetStatus
2014-03-18 23:11 <justincc> lkalif: yes
2014-03-18 23:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3372: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3372/
2014-03-18 23:11 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Extend locking in BlockingQueue to cover operations that are not guaranteed to be thread-safe
2014-03-18 23:11 <dahlia> lkalif: you mean like ConcurrentQueue?
2014-03-18 23:11 <lkalif> dahlia: yes and BlockingCollection
2014-03-18 23:11 <nebadon_> Thonneve > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7vlXezRnSE
2014-03-18 23:12 <lkalif> BlockingCollection<ConcurrentQueue<T>> even?
2014-03-18 23:12 <Thonneve> I stand correccted
2014-03-18 23:12 <nebadon_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_0DmxD4PNQ
2014-03-18 23:12 <dahlia> I used ConcurrentQueue in a C# OpenTK app, worked quite well :)
2014-03-18 23:13 <Thonneve> That's the laggiest peice of machinery in the world
2014-03-18 23:13 <nebadon_> lol
2014-03-18 23:13 <nebadon_> you can do stuff like this with bullet though
2014-03-18 23:13 <nebadon_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sXnqbhdmNk
2014-03-18 23:14 <Thonneve> That looks so much better than havok
2014-03-18 23:14 <diva> misterblue ping
2014-03-18 23:14 <misterblue> diva pong
2014-03-18 23:15 <diva> are there any significant differencesin Bullet physics between 0.7.6 and current head?
2014-03-18 23:15 <dahlia> ya last I checked chains were still failing in SL
2014-03-18 23:15 <misterblue> no... I've been playing with varregions so, other than a few bug fixes, there are no major changes
2014-03-18 23:16 <diva> ok. I have a student who is going to make a few more measurements, and I was wondering which one I should use. I would rather use the release. Looks like that's the right thing to do
2014-03-18 23:16 <misterblue> and chains in BulletSim have to be large to work... Bullet doesn't do well with very small meshes (relative to regular sized things)
2014-03-18 23:16 <diva> and are there any noticeable performance effects when bullet is run on its own thread?
2014-03-18 23:16 <misterblue> the bondage people wanted real chains :)
2014-03-18 23:16 <nebadon_> lol
2014-03-18 23:16 <diva> lol
2014-03-18 23:17 <justincc> I have to say, it was pretty impressive with bullet running on its own thread on the "event plaza" var region
2014-03-18 23:17 <nebadon_> yes diva, the main sim heartbeat cant freeze when bulletsim is on its own thread
2014-03-18 23:17 <justincc> very smooth
2014-03-18 23:17 <nebadon_> even if you have 100k physical prims the hearbeat wont die
2014-03-18 23:17 <lkalif> no, the bondage people want real looking chains
2014-03-18 23:17 <justincc> I'm impressed that separate physics thread option works
2014-03-18 23:17 <misterblue> like they said, you can't overload the main simulation thread with physics
2014-03-18 23:17 <lkalif> 
ACTION spent a lot of time trying to make particle chains that looked ok

2014-03-18 23:18 <misterblue> there are some jitter for vehicles (timing between physics updates and sending the updates to the viewer)
2014-03-18 23:18 <diva> ok. and which of the 1000s of metrics in opensim monitoring logs should we be looking at to measure performance of physics?
2014-03-18 23:18 <nebadon_> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/116133_physical_spheres_bulletsim.png
2014-03-18 23:18 <nebadon_> lol
2014-03-18 23:18 <diva> Total CPU?
2014-03-18 23:19 <nebadon_> 116,133 physical spheres and it didnt die
2014-03-18 23:19 <dahlia> would bulletsim get it's thread from mono? or pthreads? I would think if its managed by mono it still shares the core with other opensim stuff
2014-03-18 23:19 <nebadon_> wasnt good, either but it didnt crash
2014-03-18 23:19 <misterblue> if you are running physics on a separate thread, it doesn't show up in the usual physics frames-per-sec number 
2014-03-18 23:19 <diva> yeah. so which one should we look at?
2014-03-18 23:20 <diva> I mean ultimately we want to measure theperformance of the server, as a whole
2014-03-18 23:20 <diva> and the scenario we are looking at is the conference scenario, so ppl walking
2014-03-18 23:20 <diva> colliding with each other and with stuff
2014-03-18 23:21 <dahlia> testing with people only sitting is not testing half of opensim
2014-03-18 23:21 <diva> walking
2014-03-18 23:22 <diva> we already did the testing with ppl sitting, but now we want to test with ppl walking
2014-03-18 23:22 <misterblue> BulletSim doesn't have detailed metrics like that... it would be nice to have good collision metrics and such but Bullet itself mashes all the collision stuff together
2014-03-18 23:23 <dahlia> I think of stuff like "please sit down as soon as you enter the region" and then I go and play an online game with hundreds of active players fighting thousands of NPCs all in a single instance and I just $SIGH
2014-03-18 23:23 <misterblue> I'd run BulletSim on the simulator thread to get the numbers and then vary the number of walking avatars and monitor physics frame time
2014-03-18 23:23 <diva> so if we grab TotalProcessorTime that doesn't capture the Bullet thread?
2014-03-18 23:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #3373 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-18 23:24 <misterblue> there are frame times in the detailed stats... for physics and terrain updating and ...
2014-03-18 23:27 <diva> correct me if I'm wrong: physics frame rate measures the time that the physics is processing things, yes? But how is that related to the CPU time that the process as a whole consumes?
2014-03-18 23:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3373: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3373/
2014-03-18 23:27 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add httpserver.<port-number>,QueuedPollResponses stat
2014-03-18 23:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #3374 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-18 23:29 <Plugh> I tried out move to target but the prims seem to slow down as they get close to their destination.
2014-03-18 23:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3374: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3374/
2014-03-18 23:31 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Correction to description of QueuedPollResponses since this covers long poll and other 'poll' types
2014-03-18 23:33 <misterblue> the total CPU should be the sum of all the thread times (receive, xmit, physics, ...)
2014-03-18 23:34 <misterblue> physics will use up to one thread (100% of one hardware thread) so, if there are 8 hardware threads and the CPU is 100% busy, physics is taking up 100/8 percent of the total CPU
2014-03-18 23:36 <lkalif> Plugh: the viewer is also doing position interpolation, so you cannot exactly "observe" where the objects are
2014-03-18 23:37 <Plugh> Whatever the reason, it isn't the type of movement I want to see.
2014-03-18 23:37 <lkalif> well it's just not possible to move an object instantly from one place to another. the viewre will interpolate
2014-03-18 23:39 <diva> misterblue: thanks. I think this is enough to get her going. But we'll likely have more questions as we go along.
2014-03-18 23:40 <Plugh> I don't want it to move instantly.
2014-03-18 23:40 <dahlia> does it always interpolate?
2014-03-18 23:40 <dahlia> like maybe if its beyond some distance?
2014-03-18 23:41 <Plugh> Seems to move at a given speed until it gets around halfway to the target then it starts slowing down.
2014-03-18 23:41 <misterblue> llMoveToTarget does do some slowing down when getting close... different then just setting the position
2014-03-18 23:41 <dahlia> oh I guess move distance is limited to 10 meters in SL anyway
2014-03-18 23:41 <dahlia> no I meant llSetPos
2014-03-18 23:41 <nebadon_> blender does that too, i dont like that it does that
2014-03-18 23:42 <dahlia> blender does what?
2014-03-18 23:42 <nebadon_> when you move an object its not just fluid movement the entire time
2014-03-18 23:42 <nebadon_> there is a way in blender to adjust that though, but by default it also slows down at the end
2014-03-18 23:43 <dahlia> you mean in the game engine?
2014-03-18 23:43 <Plugh> I don't mind it slowing down but it starts slowing down when it isn't that close to the target.
2014-03-18 23:43 <nebadon_> like if your animating something in blender say i want to rotate a prim, you set keypoints and for some reason as it starts off and as it ends it slowly ramps up and down
2014-03-18 23:43 <nebadon_> no not the game engine dahlia, just moving prims around with keyframes
2014-03-18 23:43 <lkalif> I'm just saying it is difficult to tell in the viewer what the physics engine is doing
2014-03-18 23:43 <dahlia> oh I think you can adjust that
2014-03-18 23:44 <nebadon_> ya you can
2014-03-18 23:44 <lkalif> and what is done by internal interpolation
2014-03-18 23:44 <nebadon_> in blender you can
2014-03-18 23:44 <dahlia> lkalif: ya but update packet has velocity and acceleration parameters
2014-03-18 23:45 <lkalif> dahlia: if you move object in an instant, from A to B, no velocity at all, it will still be interpolated in the viewer
2014-03-18 23:45 <lkalif> which is what you want most of the time
2014-03-18 23:46 <lkalif> like I have a sliding door that in reality only has open and close state, but it looks like they're sliding in the viewer
2014-03-18 23:46 <dahlia> well maybe sometime, it would be better if a script could specify acceleration and velocity
2014-03-18 23:47 <dahlia> it can for rotation but not for linear motion
2014-03-18 23:47 <Plugh> You can specify velocity but not acceleration
2014-03-18 23:47 <dahlia> angular velocity
2014-03-18 23:47 <dahlia> with llTargetOmega
2014-03-18 23:48 <lkalif> depends which llTargetOmega
2014-03-18 23:48 <dahlia> the non-pnys one
2014-03-18 23:48 <misterblue> the view will do tweening for small movements (< 10m I think)... the physics engine moves things with forces and does ramping as it approaches the target
2014-03-18 23:48 <lkalif> there is one that is pure viewer effect
2014-03-18 23:48 <misterblue> it is hard to know which is doing what to your object
2014-03-18 23:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #3375 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-18 23:48 <lkalif> dahlia: that one is pure viewer effect
2014-03-18 23:48 <dahlia> yes
2014-03-18 23:48 <dahlia> and I use it to interpolate between rotations
2014-03-18 23:49 <misterblue> llMoveToTarget should take ramp parameters to control the speed and timing of the movement
2014-03-18 23:50 <dahlia> it has "gain"
2014-03-18 23:50 <misterblue> like editting the keyframe curves for object movement in Blender
2014-03-18 23:50 <dahlia> "gain" is a pretty vague parameter tho
2014-03-18 23:51 <misterblue> 
ACTION was never clear on what 'gain' should do... time to movement, related to speed, related to acceleration?

2014-03-18 23:51 <dahlia> I kinda thought it was time to go from A to B
2014-03-18 23:52 <dahlia> but it's pretty difficult to predict the outcome
2014-03-18 23:52 <lkalif> I'm so used to upward impulse when starting a flight in SL. I know Revolution added it to Aurora. How hard would it be to add some initial impulse on flight to emulate it?
2014-03-18 23:52 <dahlia> and its inconsistent
2014-03-18 23:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3375: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3375/
2014-03-18 23:52 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add httpserver.<port>.QueuedPollResponses and httpserver.<port>.ProcessedPollResponses statistics
2014-03-18 23:52 <dahlia> ya I usually just use impulses and dont even bother with llMoveToTarget
2014-03-18 23:53 <dahlia> since it's never really worked in opensim anyway
2014-03-18 23:54 <dahlia> I tried to fix it once but the code was such a flying spaghetti monster that I got all tangled up and nearly suffocated
2014-03-18 23:54 <dahlia> (for ODE)
2014-03-18 23:55 <lkalif> easily fixed: copy aurora code :P
2014-03-18 23:55 <dahlia> I just use llApplyImpulse in my own feedback loop :P
2014-03-19 00:14 <Thonneve> dahlia: Aurora is very different from opensim now
2014-03-19 00:17 <dahlia> Thonneve: your point?
2014-03-19 00:18 <Thonneve> It'd be hard to copypaste the code
2014-03-19 00:18 <dahlia> I wasnt planning on it
2014-03-19 00:18 <dahlia> that was lkalif's idea
2014-03-19 00:18 <Thonneve> Oh, missread
2014-03-19 00:18 <dahlia> my llApplyImpulse method works better than llMoveToTarget in SL
2014-03-19 00:20 <dahlia> I've also heard that many of the high-end vehicles in SL dont use the LSL vehicle APIs... but that's probably a different matter :)
2014-03-19 00:20 <Velus> hmmm wonders if justincc is awake?>
2014-03-19 00:21 <justincc> unfortunately, yes
2014-03-19 00:21 <dahlia> lol
2014-03-19 00:21 <lkalif> where abouts in the world are you these days justincc?
2014-03-19 00:21 <justincc> southern uk
2014-03-19 00:22 <lkalif> oh, you managed to get on the ark :P
2014-03-19 00:22 <Velus> can i pc you a sec pleas justincc 
2014-03-19 00:22 <lkalif> MichelleZ is there somewhere too iirc
2014-03-19 00:22 <dahlia> southern UK probably meant New Zealand 100 years ago
2014-03-19 00:22 <justincc> luckily I'm not too near the river, which did get badly flooded 
2014-03-19 00:22 <justincc> about the only time this place gets on the news
2014-03-19 00:22 <lkalif> hehe
2014-03-19 00:22 <justincc> Velus: sorry, very busy.  If it's a tech matter can discuss it here
2014-03-19 00:23 <Velus> i was just wanting you to check out a part of the site im doing like the profiles section 
2014-03-19 00:23 <justincc> it's not one of my areas of expertise tbh
2014-03-19 00:23 <Velus> but you would of needed to of logged in 
2014-03-19 00:23 <justincc> I haven't looked much at the profiles stuff
2014-03-19 00:24 <Velus> i just wanted an opion of the layout of the online site
2014-03-19 00:24 <lkalif> Cornwell, yeah that was it
2014-03-19 00:24 <justincc> other people would be bettrer for that.  I don't have much of a design eye
2014-03-19 00:25 <justincc> lkalif: you're eu?
2014-03-19 00:25 <lkalif> copenhagen, denmark... one hour deeper into the night than you :P
2014-03-19 00:25 <Melanie_T> Velus: do you have something to see already?
2014-03-19 00:26 <Velus> yes its still being created and worked on but i have some of it up
2014-03-19 00:26 <Melanie_T> well, if you want opinions, post away
2014-03-19 00:26 <Velus> ok one sec i need to rember a password for one of the accounts
2014-03-19 00:27 <lkalif> this as a equivalent for https://my.secondlife.com/latif.khalifa#about_tab
2014-03-19 00:27 <lkalif> ?
2014-03-19 00:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #3376 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-19 00:29 <Melanie_T> justincc: suggestion
2014-03-19 00:29 <Melanie_T> justincc: an option to do that on a timer, appending to the file
2014-03-19 00:29 <Melanie_T> justincc: alternatively, a database?
2014-03-19 00:29 <justincc> already exists
2014-03-19 00:30 <lkalif> nebadon_: do you have plans to switch osgrid to core profiles / groups? I hear stuff like group chat works there?
2014-03-19 00:30 <Velus> Melanie_T: go to http://velusuniverse.com to the website and log in using alan johnston with the password we9529xn
2014-03-19 00:30 <Velus> alan johnston goes in the first box
2014-03-19 00:31 <Velus> then go to account and view profile
2014-03-19 00:32 <lkalif> you should probably not call it "my second life"
2014-03-19 00:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3376: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3376/
2014-03-19 00:33 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Allow a snapshot of stats to be dumped to a file with a "stats save" command
2014-03-19 00:33 <justincc> lol
2014-03-19 00:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #3377 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-19 00:33 <Velus> im still working on the profile i will be adding stuff like the pictures and will be adding other things like a bio and such that people can have for the website 
2014-03-19 00:33 <Velus> i know i will be changing it i just put that there for the time being 
2014-03-19 00:34 <lkalif> the currency bit on top is not alligned
2014-03-19 00:35 <lkalif> http://i.imgur.com/3jvSZMZ.png
2014-03-19 00:35 <Velus> i know im still working on that but slowly its on my lit of todo's i have taped to my comp screen
2014-03-19 00:35 <Thonneve> Is there anyway to use opensim as a compiler of LSL scripts? So I can check if I haven't botched the code in some way?
2014-03-19 00:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3377: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3377/
2014-03-19 00:37 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Rename "debug stats record" command to "stats record" for consistency.  Move from debug to general command category
2014-03-19 00:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #3378 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-19 00:37 <Melanie_T> Velus: navigation fails to work on firefox/mac
2014-03-19 00:37 <lkalif> Velus: "about me" and "my second life" is reduntant. just kill "my second life". about / interests / picks / first life ought to do it
2014-03-19 00:37 <Melanie_T> javascript issue?
2014-03-19 00:38 <velus-universe> ok i aligned the currency now
2014-03-19 00:40 <Melanie_T> Velus: i see the profile tabs now
2014-03-19 00:40 <velus-universe> lkalif: what do you think of the design of the profile, the design of the tabs on it
2014-03-19 00:40 <Melanie_T> you need to test your website using firefox witht he minimum font size set to something larger, like 16pt
2014-03-19 00:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3378: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3378/
2014-03-19 00:40 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Make "stats show" an alias for "show stats" command.
2014-03-19 00:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #3379 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-19 00:41 <Melanie_T> there are many vision-impaired people who cannot read the small fonts that are the stanard today
2014-03-19 00:41 <lkalif> similar theme to the one I used when making Singularity crash site: http://i.imgur.com/xgEhB5L.png
2014-03-19 00:41 <Melanie_T> if your website breaks up with large fonts, you may need to adjust your css
2014-03-19 00:42 <Velus> Melanie_T: it looks perfect in ff with the standard fault
2014-03-19 00:43 <Velus> what screensize do you have it on?
2014-03-19 00:43 <Melanie_T> Velus: people like myself and dahlie can't see well
2014-03-19 00:43 <Melanie_T> we use larger fonts
2014-03-19 00:43 <Melanie_T> accessibility is an important part of website design
2014-03-19 00:43 <lkalif> not zoom?
2014-03-19 00:43 <Melanie_T> if a site doesn't render with large fonts, it will lose viewers
2014-03-19 00:43 <Melanie_T> firefox has a minimum font size option
2014-03-19 00:43 <Melanie_T> set it to 16 or even 20pt
2014-03-19 00:43 <Melanie_T> recheck your layout
2014-03-19 00:44 <lkalif> i use zoom, better result
2014-03-19 00:44 <Melanie_T> andjust css so there is still a flow
2014-03-19 00:44 <Melanie_T> lkalif: zoom can make columns wider than a screen before they are large enough to read
2014-03-19 00:44 <lkalif> this is same site with 200% zoom http://i.imgur.com/pR97uXb.png
2014-03-19 00:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3379: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3379/
2014-03-19 00:44 <Melanie_T> causing frantic horizontal scrolling or an image streyched across more than one monitor = hard to read
2014-03-19 00:44 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Put ProcessedFetchInventoryRequests and QueuedFetchInventoryRequests in stats category "scene-inventory" instead of "scene"
2014-03-19 00:44 <lkalif> tried to make it responsive to that
2014-03-19 00:45 <Velus> mine is responsive
2014-03-19 00:45 <Melanie_T> lkalif: i would expect it doesn't break up with large fonts either
2014-03-19 00:45 <Melanie_T> so that;s a good design taking accesibility into account
2014-03-19 00:45 <lkalif> I never tried that. I assumed people would use zoom in browsers like Chrome or Firefox
2014-03-19 00:46 <Velus> mine works well with zoom to 
2014-03-19 00:46 <Melanie_T> Velus: yours half fails on large fonts (rather than ctrl-mouse zoom)
2014-03-19 00:46 <Velus> ok how ? where does it half fail?
2014-03-19 00:46 <Melanie_T> small css adjustments will make it work
2014-03-19 00:46 <lkalif> (I use zoom on my laptop with too high a resolution so stuff is small)
2014-03-19 00:47 <Melanie_T> your upper portions, when rendere with large fonts, push the important parts below the break. rearrange, put the tabs at the very top, drop the introduction
2014-03-19 00:47 <Melanie_T> put that in the prior page
2014-03-19 00:47 <Melanie_T> or on a one time popover
2014-03-19 00:47 <Velus> i have to use my laptop my little nefew has my gaming and working pc for now
2014-03-19 00:47 <Melanie_T> a well designed site will work from 1-24 x 768 to whatever
2014-03-19 00:48 <Melanie_T> with large fonts or without them
2014-03-19 00:48 <Melanie_T> and either clip or flow to remain usable
2014-03-19 00:48 <Melanie_T> so you should, when deisgning, check with large fonts as well as with zoom
2014-03-19 00:48 <Melanie_T> and adjust your css and html to flow for each of those
2014-03-19 00:48 <Melanie_T> people will be all the happier for it
2014-03-19 00:50 <Velus>  yeah i will be working on that bit when i have the back end sorted out, atm my main concern is the back end and the general look of it when thats all working i will be working on the ful style of it
2014-03-19 00:50 <Melanie_T> also, the site is miggina selection indicator or breadcrumb trail
2014-03-19 00:50 <Melanie_T> missing*
2014-03-19 00:50 <Melanie_T> so once you select profiles, you don't even really see you've arrived
2014-03-19 00:50 <Melanie_T> breadcrumbs are great for that
2014-03-19 00:51 <Melanie_T> like Home > My Account > My Profile
2014-03-19 00:51 <Melanie_T> right below the main navbr
2014-03-19 00:51 <Velus> yeah i will doing all that later 
2014-03-19 00:51 <Melanie_T> just trying to help
2014-03-19 00:51 <Velus> i need to figure out how to do that in here
2014-03-19 00:51 <Melanie_T> in where?
2014-03-19 00:51 <Velus> i know Melanie_T im writing it down o my todo's list
2014-03-19 00:51 <Velus> in the site
2014-03-19 00:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #3380 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-19 00:53 <Velus> the site is complex the only page you can access from the web is the index.php that has a little bit that changes when ever you select a page you will have the main section change, so i will need to do a simple js for the bread crums and that will be done when i speak ot my dad which will be this weekend
2014-03-19 00:53 <Velus> sorry next monday
2014-03-19 00:53 <Melanie_T> i'm just trying to help :)
2014-03-19 00:54 <Melanie_T> i've been there
2014-03-19 00:54 <Velus> i know and i do apriciate it, 
2014-03-19 00:54 <Melanie_T> although i have to admit, when i made avination i had help
2014-03-19 00:54 <Velus> yeah im doing this a lot on my own its all my own coding but i do need help finding information when im looking at the db 
2014-03-19 00:55 <Velus> like i needed herlp with the masks of the profile systems
2014-03-19 00:56 <lkalif> const U32 AVATAR_ALLOW_PUBLISH			= 0x1 << 0;	// whether profile is externally visible or not
2014-03-19 00:56 <lkalif> const U32 AVATAR_MATURE_PUBLISH			= 0x1 << 1;	// profile is "mature"
2014-03-19 00:56 <lkalif> const U32 AVATAR_IDENTIFIED				= 0x1 << 2;	// whether avatar has provided payment info
2014-03-19 00:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3380: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3380/
2014-03-19 00:56 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Simplify DoubleQueue to eliminate redundant sempahore work.
2014-03-19 00:56 <lkalif> const U32 AVATAR_TRANSACTED				= 0x1 << 3;	// whether avatar has actively used payment info
2014-03-19 00:56 <lkalif> const U32 AVATAR_ONLINE					= 0x1 << 4; // the online status of this avatar, if known.
2014-03-19 00:56 <lkalif> const U32 AVATAR_AGEVERIFIED			= 0x1 << 5;	// whether avatar has been age-verified
2014-03-19 00:57 <lkalif> Velus: those flags?
2014-03-19 00:57 <Melanie_T> those are the profile flags
2014-03-19 00:57 <Melanie_T> i believe at this point he is not in aposition to use them yet
2014-03-19 00:57 <Melanie_T> this is in an earlier stage
2014-03-19 00:58 <lkalif> he was talking about "masks of profile system", I thought he meant these
2014-03-19 00:58 <Melanie_T> regardless, Velus , what he said is a good thing to copy and save
2014-03-19 00:58 <Melanie_T> you will nee dit
2014-03-19 00:58 <Melanie_T> no. masks == web layouts
2014-03-19 00:59 <Melanie_T> his questions are about presentation at this point, as far as i can tell
2014-03-19 01:02 <lkalif> i guess he missed that bit
2014-03-19 01:04 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-03-19 01:09 <velus> sorry i had to restart my pc 
2014-03-19 01:09 <velus> and sorry lkalif  i missed your reply
2014-03-19 01:10 <Melanie_T> check PM
2014-03-19 01:10 <Melanie_T> i filled you in
2014-03-19 01:10 <osmantis> Bug #7040:04 request for function osUpdateObject(key object) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7040 ): requires your FEEDBACK.
2014-03-19 01:10 <velus> i got them
2014-03-19 01:10 <velus> thanks
2014-03-19 01:11 <Melanie_T> yw
2014-03-19 01:12 <velus> so where did lkalif get that infomation from is that in the os code or a website that he has used
2014-03-19 01:12 <osmantis> Bug #7040:04 request for function osUpdateObject(key object) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7040 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-19 01:12 <velus> and Melanie_T do you have curreency in aviworlds? if so what do you use?
2014-03-19 01:12 <Melanie_T> velus: it's from the viewer source code
2014-03-19 01:13 <velus> ok
2014-03-19 01:13 <Melanie_T> i don't have anything to do with aviworlds
2014-03-19 01:13 <Melanie_T> i own avination
2014-03-19 01:13 <velus> sorry avination 
2014-03-19 01:13 <Melanie_T> we have currency, one of our own, the c$
2014-03-19 01:13 <velus> got them mixed a sec
2014-03-19 01:13 <velus> ok but what do you use for your currecny server?
2014-03-19 01:13 <Melanie_T> our own code base
2014-03-19 01:13 <velus> i.e the system you use to buy currency and such
2014-03-19 01:13 <velus> ok
2014-03-19 01:14 <velus> im looking for a good working codebase for currency i can use 
2014-03-19 01:14 <Melanie_T> what we use is not too dissimilar to the opencurrency project i maintain on opensim forge
2014-03-19 01:14 <Melanie_T> opencurrency will always work with the curren released versionof opensim
2014-03-19 01:14 <velus> ok
2014-03-19 01:15 <Melanie_T> it creates a currency that is completely indepndent (=spacebux)
2014-03-19 01:15 <Melanie_T> it lets you trade but there is no extrinsic value
2014-03-19 01:15 <Melanie_T> that is up to you to set up
2014-03-19 01:15 <Melanie_T> and subject to RL law and contracts
2014-03-19 01:15 <justincc> ok, rest time for me.  Goodnight folks
2014-03-19 01:17 <velus> ok i need something that will allow me to convert �GBP to VU$ either online or in world (but inworld only if the user has already used a cc with us) and not one with paypal, i can do all the intregarting in php for the payment and i have a good idea how to use the landtool currency and help.php but i need the server for it but ill look at the opensim currency
2014-03-19 01:19 <Melanie_T> opencurrency is the solution
2014-03-19 01:19 <velus> ok 
2014-03-19 01:19 <velus> i was looking at the dtl 
2014-03-19 01:19 <lkalif> nebadon_: you should install this currency module for fun on osgreed
2014-03-19 01:19 <lkalif> and make *real* moneytrees :P
2014-03-19 01:21 <lkalif> Melanie_T: yo have forge url handy?
2014-03-19 01:21 <Melanie_T> forge.opensimulator.org
2014-03-19 01:21 <lkalif> i know that bit :P
2014-03-19 01:22 <lkalif> http://forge.opensimulator.org/gf/project/opencurrency/ i guess
2014-03-19 01:29 <lkalif> https://github.com/lkalif/opencurency
2014-03-19 01:31 <Melanie_T> lkalif: whenever opensim releases, i will push changes to adapt. it would be good if your github repos would be updated with those
2014-03-19 01:31 <Melanie_T> it happens usually withina week of release day
2014-03-19 01:31 <lkalif> i have a setup for automatic mirring of a few repos
2014-03-19 01:31 <lkalif> i just added this one
2014-03-19 01:31 <Melanie_T> k
2014-03-19 01:31 <lkalif> justincc doesn't need much sleep ;)
2014-03-19 01:31 <Melanie_T> works for me
2014-03-19 01:31 <justincc> got someting wrong I need to fix :(
2014-03-19 01:32 <Melanie_T> awwwww
2014-03-19 01:32 <velus> awww justincc well you will get it perfect soon 
2014-03-19 01:34 <lkalif> Melanie_T: have you seen gitlab?
2014-03-19 01:34 <Melanie_T> no
2014-03-19 01:34 <lkalif> https://git.streamgrid.net/singularity/Singularity
2014-03-19 01:34 <lkalif> I installed it just for the fun of it
2014-03-19 01:34 <lkalif> github like opensource server written in rails
2014-03-19 01:34 <Melanie_T> that looks like github!
2014-03-19 01:35 <lkalif> yep
2014-03-19 01:35 <Melanie_T> not bad
2014-03-19 01:35 <lkalif> nice file and commit browser
2014-03-19 01:35 <lkalif> but it cannot deal with opensim lol
2014-03-19 01:35 <lkalif> nobody writes their git frontend expecting 25k tags
2014-03-19 01:36 <lkalif> it works pretty nicely with normal repositories though
2014-03-19 01:36 <LiruCookies> 25k tags?!
2014-03-19 01:36 <LiruCookies> Tell me you are joking, Latif.
2014-03-19 01:36 <lkalif> opensim tags each changeset with revision number
2014-03-19 01:36 <danbanner> ya bitbucket seems to have issue with 25k tags
2014-03-19 01:37 <LiruCookies> Why ever would this be done
2014-03-19 01:37 <lkalif> something about when transitioning from svn
2014-03-19 01:38 <LiruCookies> Gross...
2014-03-19 01:38 <Melanie_T> people wanted, nay, demanded, a monotonically increasing "version nu,ber"
2014-03-19 01:38 <Melanie_T> as hashes, which we had at first, would not satisfy
2014-03-19 01:38 <lkalif> I don't know if those tags are even used for anything anymore
2014-03-19 01:39 <Melanie_T> just for determining by human minds, whether a commit is later than another
2014-03-19 01:39 <Melanie_T> they are shown in help->about
2014-03-19 01:39 <LiruCookies> Singu build calculates number...
2014-03-19 01:39 <lkalif> Melanie_T: you know singularity build numbers? like in http://files.streamgrid.net/singularity/
2014-03-19 01:39 <Melanie_T> they are build server based
2014-03-19 01:40 <lkalif> nah, that's: git rev-list HEAD | wc -l
2014-03-19 01:40 <Melanie_T> the opensim goal (and i was not part of the determination or implementation) was to have every commit numbered sequentiall
2014-03-19 01:40 <Melanie_T> so a HUMAN can tell which build is newer
2014-03-19 01:41 <lkalif> that's what singularity build system does
2014-03-19 01:41 <lkalif> so our current buiild is 1.8.5.5681
2014-03-19 01:41 <Melanie_T> but only for builds, e.g. pushes to the main repo
2014-03-19 01:41 <Melanie_T> opensi has no "build server"
2014-03-19 01:41 <smxy> yes, but everyone who downloads the source has their own build system
2014-03-19 01:41 <Melanie_T> yes, there is jenkins
2014-03-19 01:41 <smxy> we need a common frame of reference when talking about what versions we're running
2014-03-19 01:41 <Melanie_T> but release/build management is much different
2014-03-19 01:42 <Melanie_T> they wanted something omparable to an SVN revison number
2014-03-19 01:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #3381 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-19 01:42 <lkalif> git rev-list HEAD | wc -l is close enough for us
2014-03-19 01:42 <Melanie_T> something that would always and depandably be greater than any previous commit (not build) in decimal
2014-03-19 01:42 <Melanie_T> lkalif: that is not unique across branches
2014-03-19 01:43 <lkalif> you don't know how to use branches anyway ;P
2014-03-19 01:43 <Melanie_T> multiple branches with the same commit count could show the same "revision
2014-03-19 01:43 <Melanie_T> i do
2014-03-19 01:43 <Melanie_T> i just coose to use them my way. respect that.
2014-03-19 01:43 <lkalif> I have seen no evidence of that
2014-03-19 01:43 <LiruCookies> How do you tag commits in brancges, then?
2014-03-19 01:44 <Melanie_T> the system that was installed will number _every_ commit to the _repo_ regardless of branch
2014-03-19 01:44 <Melanie_T> sequentially
2014-03-19 01:44 <Melanie_T> so the number is a direct correspondence to date
2014-03-19 01:44 <LiruCookies> Branches can't share last revision without being same point
2014-03-19 01:44 <justincc> I'm not a fan of that tag stuff, it does screw up some views on git
2014-03-19 01:44 <justincc> but ppl seem to want it
2014-03-19 01:44 <Melanie_T> althugh it doesn't allow to determine the date from the number
2014-03-19 01:44 <Melanie_T> it's not what i would have chosen
2014-03-19 01:44 <justincc> I believe mercurial has some kind of sequential numbering builtin
2014-03-19 01:44 <Melanie_T> for me, short hashes woulf have been enough
2014-03-19 01:45 <lkalif> justincc: only for local. those numbers are not synced across different checkouts
2014-03-19 01:45 <justincc> ah ok
2014-03-19 01:45 <Melanie_T> lkalif: the current system isn't a bazaar
2014-03-19 01:45 <Melanie_T> the main repo on opensim serves is authoritative
2014-03-19 01:45 <Melanie_T> only it's numbers are meaningful
2014-03-19 01:45 <Melanie_T> it' still a cathedral
2014-03-19 01:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3381: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3381/
2014-03-19 01:45 <Melanie_T> just using a bazaar software
2014-03-19 01:45 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Revert "Simplify DoubleQueue to eliminate redundant sempahore work."
2014-03-19 01:45 <lkalif> Melanie_T: I was talking about mercurial revision numbers
2014-03-19 01:46 <Melanie_T> yes
2014-03-19 01:46 <Melanie_T> i don't know too much about hg internals
2014-03-19 01:46 <Melanie_T> sorry if i missed tht
2014-03-19 01:46 <lkalif> they have both hashes and rev numbers. but rev numbers mean nothing as they are local only
2014-03-19 01:46 <Melanie_T> k
2014-03-19 01:47 <lkalif> this gitlab thing would be great replacement for forge i think
2014-03-19 01:47 <justincc> alright that's better.  Now I really am gone.  Goodnight
2014-03-19 01:47 <lkalif> i was going to suggest for opensim as well, but then I remembered that I tried it and it chocked on tags
2014-03-19 01:47 <dahlia> people really wanted some way to preserve the version numbers we had in subversion when we moved to git but I dont know if anyone cares about them now
2014-03-19 01:48 <Melanie_T> i need to do to opensim what i did to the avn repo
2014-03-19 01:48 <dahlia> whats that?
2014-03-19 01:48 <Melanie_T> prune the version number tags to the last 5000 or so
2014-03-19 01:48 <dahlia> why?
2014-03-19 01:48 <Melanie_T> because these tags make the repo abysmally slow
2014-03-19 01:49 <dahlia> our repo? didnt notice
2014-03-19 01:49 <Melanie_T> so it' better to archive the tag/hash relation somewhere in  text file
2014-03-19 01:49 <Melanie_T> and remoe them from the active repo
2014-03-19 01:49 <Melanie_T> sicne those are verions no one should run anymore
2014-03-19 01:49 <Melanie_T> since they have either known shortcomings or known vulns
2014-03-19 01:50 <dahlia> well part of those tags preserve commit history from svn
2014-03-19 01:50 <dahlia> which has legal/copyright implications
2014-03-19 01:50 <LiruCookies> How is that, dahlia ?
2014-03-19 01:51 <Melanie_T> they do not
2014-03-19 01:51 <Melanie_T> no svn version numbers made it into git
2014-03-19 01:51 <Melanie_T> moreso, they are irrelevant for copyright as the license never changed
2014-03-19 01:51 <Melanie_T> the important parts are the dates
2014-03-19 01:51 <Melanie_T> which are int he hashes
2014-03-19 01:52 <Melanie_T> as far as i'm concerned, the version numbers can be dumped today rather than tomorrow
2014-03-19 01:52 <dahlia> IIRC the numbers were the same as the svn numbers up until the switchover
2014-03-19 01:53 <velus> does anyone know what the userflags is for in the os db ?
2014-03-19 01:53 <velus> and how do i set the user maturity?
2014-03-19 01:53 <LiruCookies> 42
2014-03-19 01:54 <lkalif> velus: probably those flags i posted earler
2014-03-19 01:54 <Melanie_T> velus: what he said
2014-03-19 01:54 <Melanie_T> the user flags are a bitpacked field
2014-03-19 01:54 <Melanie_T> the low 8 bits are what lkalif posted
2014-03-19 01:54 <Melanie_T> the next 4 bits are a value between 0-3, representing
2014-03-19 01:54 <Melanie_T> 0 = resident
2014-03-19 01:55 <Melanie_T> 1 = dunno
2014-03-19 01:55 <Melanie_T> 2 = founding member (?)
2014-03-19 01:55 <velus> ok i know the allow publich and mature publish are in the main so profile
2014-03-19 01:55 <Melanie_T> 3 = emplyee
2014-03-19 01:55 <velus> but im on about the man useraccounts section
2014-03-19 01:55 <Melanie_T> the text corresponding to these 4 bitsis shown in-world int he profile
2014-03-19 01:56 <Melanie_T> if you set the UserTitle, it will override that
2014-03-19 01:56 <Melanie_T> the top 4 bist are unassigned
2014-03-19 01:56 <Melanie_T> that is what i did to have my profile say "Grid Goddess"
2014-03-19 01:57 <Melanie_T> i put that into user title 
2014-03-19 01:57 <Melanie_T> and set userflags to 780 (decimal)
2014-03-19 01:57 <Melanie_T> that is an employeee god user
2014-03-19 01:58 <Melanie_T> you never wnt to use 780 without settig UserTitle
2014-03-19 01:58 <lkalif> so "payment info on file" is 1 << 2
2014-03-19 01:58 <Melanie_T> as the text will say "Linden Labs Employee" if not overridden
2014-03-19 01:58 <Melanie_T> that is hardcoded inthe viewers
2014-03-19 01:59 <Melanie_T> lkalif: correct
2014-03-19 01:59 <Melanie_T> none of this has any imporatnce unless a money module makes use if it
2014-03-19 01:59 <lkalif> if (($userflags & (1 << 2)) != 0) { print "Payment info on file"; }
2014-03-19 01:59 <Melanie_T> the viewer will merely display it
2014-03-19 01:59 <lkalif> you should probably define those
2014-03-19 02:00 <Melanie_T> they are defined by the viewer
2014-03-19 02:00 <lkalif> but this is how you do bitwise and
2014-03-19 02:00 <lkalif> in php
2014-03-19 02:00 <Melanie_T> and defining them should be the responsibility of the money module using them
2014-03-19 02:00 <Melanie_T> opensim can't be bothered to maintain them
2014-03-19 02:01 <Melanie_T> yes, the next iteration of opencurrency should probably make the magic numbers be defines
2014-03-19 02:01 <Melanie_T> good ppint
2014-03-19 02:01 <lkalif> libomv prolly has enums for this
2014-03-19 02:01 <Melanie_T> libomv has no php bindings
2014-03-19 02:01 <velus> ok im still not figuring out what the user flags does in the useraccounts table, i have tried 2 and i have tried 780 and nothing
2014-03-19 02:02 <Melanie_T> all that does is to display different stuff inthat waytoosmalllittlebox on the right
2014-03-19 02:02 <velus> i want to figgure out how to find the resident part and the other bits like payment on file and such
2014-03-19 02:02 <Melanie_T> there is no other purpose
2014-03-19 02:02 <velus> it doing nothign to it
2014-03-19 02:02 <Melanie_T> and no more than 2 flags can be displayed at the same time
2014-03-19 02:02 <Melanie_T> nd this i used ONLY in lagacy (singu)
2014-03-19 02:02 <velus> ok
2014-03-19 02:02 <velus> so not needed
2014-03-19 02:02 <Melanie_T> FS does NOT even use these values for web profiles
2014-03-19 02:03 <lkalif> Melanie_T: firestorm has an option to use classic profiles
2014-03-19 02:03 <Melanie_T> yes, if used, that will show them
2014-03-19 02:04 <Melanie_T> the default will not
2014-03-19 02:04 <lkalif> my understanding is a lot of people switch to them
2014-03-19 02:04 <Melanie_T> when i help newcomers , i assume defaults. i helps a lot
2014-03-19 02:04 <lkalif> 1 << 2 = 4 so if you put 4 in there and look at  it in singularity you should see "payment info on file"
2014-03-19 02:04 <Melanie_T> finesse comes later
2014-03-19 02:06 <lkalif> 1 << n is multiply n times with 2, so 1 * 2 * 2
2014-03-19 02:06 <velus> Melanie_T: the 1<<0 which is allow publish is atually in the profiles table and it has its own on there same with mature publish 
2014-03-19 02:06 <Melanie_T> nope
2014-03-19 02:06 <velus> it is
2014-03-19 02:06 <Melanie_T> they are distinvt
2014-03-19 02:06 <Melanie_T> you may be comparing apples and pears
2014-03-19 02:07 <Melanie_T> every value is valid only in it's contect
2014-03-19 02:07 <Melanie_T> no one ever said it would be easy
2014-03-19 02:07 <velus> in the usersprofiles table you will see profileAllowPublish 
2014-03-19 02:07 <lkalif> Melanie_T: what I meant for libomv enums was for the use in the currency module that writes this bitfield
2014-03-19 02:07 <velus> which is the 1<<0 
2014-03-19 02:07 <Melanie_T> you need to differentiate
2014-03-19 02:08 <Melanie_T> the userprofiles tabelis handled bythe progiles module which does it's own magic
2014-03-19 02:08 <Melanie_T> the two falgs mean the same but are not the same
2014-03-19 02:08 <velus> yes and the viewer gets the info from there somwhere
2014-03-19 02:08 <Melanie_T> there is much duplication
2014-03-19 02:09 <Melanie_T> the task is to keep it all consistent
2014-03-19 02:09 <Melanie_T> not easy
2014-03-19 02:09 <velus> i know 
2014-03-19 02:09 <Melanie_T> the LL protocol is grown, not designed
2014-03-19 02:09 <Melanie_T> well, i need to go
2014-03-19 02:09 <Melanie_T> 2:!0 and i'm done in
2014-03-19 02:10 <lkalif> now I'm tempted to install a grid with funny money
2014-03-19 02:10 <Melanie_T> lkalif: lol
2014-03-19 02:10 <Melanie_T> spacebux
2014-03-19 02:10 <lkalif> that will have faucet where you can get griddies
2014-03-19 02:10 <Melanie_T> lol
2014-03-19 02:10 <Melanie_T> a new take on a money tree
2014-03-19 02:10 <lkalif> G$
2014-03-19 02:10 <Melanie_T> i might steal that idea
2014-03-19 02:10 <Melanie_T> :P
2014-03-19 02:10 <lkalif> or I can convince neb to do that on osgrid :)
2014-03-19 02:11 <lkalif> I think it would be loads of fun
2014-03-19 02:11 <Melanie_T> fat fucking chance
2014-03-19 02:11 <lkalif> why not?
2014-03-19 02:11 <Melanie_T> try it
2014-03-19 02:11 <velus> im wanting to find a way so when i set up the put yoru dob in the create account it sets your level of where you can go by that i.e if your 13-16 you can go to ga if your 16-18 you can go to m and over 18 go tos adualt
2014-03-19 02:11 <Melanie_T> fail whee i failed
2014-03-19 02:11 <Melanie_T> velus: don't do that
2014-03-19 02:11 <velus> why?
2014-03-19 02:11 <Melanie_T> velus: UK law is VERY particular about offers to children
2014-03-19 02:12 <lkalif> make "Fat Banker" acct, give him ONE BILLION BILLION griddies, and have him give you G$1000 every time you get to the faucet :P
2014-03-19 02:12 <Melanie_T> you don't want ofstead's eye on you
2014-03-19 02:12 <velus> it wont be an offer to children 
2014-03-19 02:12 <Melanie_T> if you allow less than 18s to go on, it is
2014-03-19 02:13 <lkalif> Melanie_T: will this module allow me to do that? 
2014-03-19 02:13 <velus> but a way of having a min age and a restriction depending on the age, and have to prove that yoru over 28
2014-03-19 02:13 <velus> 18*
2014-03-19 02:13 <lkalif> velus: Lindens gave up on that whole business. now it's just a checkbox
2014-03-19 02:13 <lkalif> no age verification anymore
2014-03-19 02:13 <velus> ok
2014-03-19 02:14 <LiruCookies> Singu still supports pieces of teen grid
2014-03-19 02:15 <Melanie_T> lkalif: yes
2014-03-19 02:15 <velus> brb time for a ceggie
2014-03-19 02:15 <lkalif> that would be so great to have on osgrid :D
2014-03-19 02:15 <Melanie_T> velus: you can NOT offer anything to under 18s and nothave ofstead bbeather down your neck
2014-03-19 02:16 <Melanie_T> breathe*
2014-03-19 02:16 <Melanie_T> well, i'm off
2014-03-19 02:16 <lkalif> plus it would be useful for development. i cannot test anyu payment related bug except on sl beta grid
2014-03-19 02:16 <Melanie_T> NN all cu timorrow
2014-03-19 02:16 <lkalif> Melanie_T: good night
2014-03-19 02:19 <H-H-H> i lkalif have you looked at the nsl currency setup?
2014-03-19 02:19 <H-H-H> handles pretty much all the payment systems and also even uses https 
2014-03-19 02:21 <lkalif> H-H-H: I don't want real currency. I just want some funny money for play
2014-03-19 02:23 <H-H-H> that is funny money lol i said NSL not DTL
2014-03-19 02:23 <lkalif> acronym overload
2014-03-19 02:23 <lkalif> i have no idea what DTL means
2014-03-19 02:23 <H-H-H> it is a rework of the DTL Paypal module i think originally written by Adam Frisby
2014-03-19 02:25 -!- Wanderer_42(~kvirc@dslb-084-060-143-127.pools.arcor-ip.net) has left #opensim-dev
2014-03-19 02:25 <H-H-H> http://www.nsl.tuis.ac.jp/xoops/modules/xpwiki/?OpenSim%2FMoneyServer
2014-03-19 02:26 <H-H-H> i run a version of it myself so i know it works ok and that it is solely grid wide money only no way to do anything concerning RL money
2014-03-19 02:27 <lkalif> oh so you need to run MoneyServer.exe?
2014-03-19 02:34 <velus> nn Melanie_T and i know and ill speak to you tomorrow
2014-03-19 02:34 <velus> and yeah i need to be getting off to bed too nn all
2014-03-19 04:39 <lkalif> wow rift is weird
2014-03-19 04:40 <dahlia> lkalif: motion sick yet?
2014-03-19 04:41 <lkalif> it's super weird... yeah i could get motion sick on it
2014-03-19 04:41 <lkalif> i'm fine just looking at it, but if you use arrow keys to rotate view, wow.. you get disoriented
2014-03-19 04:42 <dahlia> heh
2014-03-19 04:42 <LiruCookies> Nasty, I would implement a multiplier setting for rotation speed, then
2014-03-19 04:42 <lkalif> it's not sharp though, you cannot wear prescritption glasses with it
2014-03-19 04:42 <lkalif> and it comes with 3 set of lenses
2014-03-19 04:43 <lkalif> i tried one, will try the other now
2014-03-19 04:43 <dahlia> dont think I'll be getting one, my visual fields dont overlap so I dont have very good depth perception
2014-03-19 04:43 <LiruCookies> I would need contacts first.. 
2014-03-19 04:43 <dahlia> no adjustment?
2014-03-19 04:44 <dahlia> I tried one of those glass thingies, it had an adjustment on it
2014-03-19 04:44 <LiruCookies> I am due for new glasses for that matter, maybe this time is the time I do contacts.
2014-03-19 04:45 <lkalif> also I have a very big head
2014-03-19 04:45 <dahlia> I like contacts but only for outdoors
2014-03-19 04:45 <dahlia> ya we noticed :P
2014-03-19 04:45 <LiruCookies> X3
2014-03-19 04:46 <lkalif> no srsly
2014-03-19 04:46 <dahlia> lol
2014-03-19 04:46 <lkalif> i thing my eeys are wider apart than the averga this is made for
2014-03-19 04:47 <dahlia> no adjustment?
2014-03-19 04:48 <lkalif> not fir wudth'
2014-03-19 04:49 <lkalif> ok typing with rift doesn't work
2014-03-19 04:49 <lkalif> lol
2014-03-19 04:49 <lkalif> dahlia: no adjustment for width
2014-03-19 04:49 <dahlia> I hear the steam one is better
2014-03-19 04:49 <lkalif> the 3rd set of lenses works much better for me
2014-03-19 04:55 <lkalif> ok it's much better with a lense that better matches your eyes
2014-03-19 04:55 <lkalif> but for this you realy need contacts
2014-03-19 04:55 <lkalif> it's pretty amazing though
2014-03-19 04:56 <nebadon_> lkalif, take a trip to Cuteulala Park on OSGrid
2014-03-19 04:56 <lkalif> walk into the demo house they have, lookup and see the celing and the chandelier
2014-03-19 04:56 <lkalif> i haven't install the viewer yet
2014-03-19 04:56 <lkalif> 
ACTION looks for linden beta

2014-03-19 05:08 <lkalif> can't figure out how to turn on the rift mode in the viewer lol
2014-03-19 05:10 <nebadon_> maybe try the CtrlAltStudio viewer
2014-03-19 05:16 <lkalif> wow this is cool
2014-03-19 05:16 <lkalif> linden one has some UI
2014-03-19 05:16 <lkalif> I wanted to see what they did with that
2014-03-19 05:17 <LiruCookies> Can you screenshot? Curious how it would come out
2014-03-19 05:18 <LiruCookies> Err, snapshot, in viewer
2014-03-19 05:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #3382 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-19 05:24 <lkalif> ok this is prettyu freeking awesome
2014-03-19 05:24 <osmantis> Bug #7032:04 Region Specific Static Maptile doesn't work on varregions>1024x1024 (max size of a texture) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7032 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-19 05:24 <lkalif> LiruCookies: https://www.dropbox.com/s/60ncbp9y3f6i6ij/Screenshot%202014-03-19%2007.24.21.png
2014-03-19 05:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3382: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3382/
2014-03-19 05:25 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Allow Region specific static maptiles to be loaded from file.
2014-03-19 05:25 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Add Jak Daniels to CONTRIBUTORS.TXT
2014-03-19 05:28 <lkalif> it's pretty cool: the UI is done as if you are standing in a middle of a glass sphere and the UI is projeced on the inside walls of it
2014-03-19 05:28 <lkalif> so you look up, you see the land info
2014-03-19 05:28 <lkalif> you look down, are the buttons
2014-03-19 05:28 <lkalif> to the right is the chat window
2014-03-19 05:29 <lkalif> if you look straihgt you don't see any ui
2014-03-19 05:29 <LiruCookies> cute!
2014-03-19 05:30 <lkalif> also if the right click menu is too long to fit on the screen, you can just look up and down it
2014-03-19 05:32 <LiruCookies> I would prefer pie for that, honestly, and I am normally comfy on either
2014-03-19 05:32 <LiruCookies> Looking up and down with my 3DS ticked me off
2014-03-19 05:32 <lkalif> yeah pie would be ideal for this
2014-03-19 05:33 <dahlia> 3ds?
2014-03-19 05:33 <lkalif> let me see if I convice it to login to osgrid
2014-03-19 05:33 <LiruCookies> Nintendo DSi successor
2014-03-19 05:33 <dahlia> oh
2014-03-19 05:34 <dahlia> whats resolution of the rift?
2014-03-19 05:41 <lkalif> 1280 x 800
2014-03-19 05:41 <lkalif> pretty low as you get half that horizontal
2014-03-19 05:42 <lkalif> nebadon_: rollercoaster in that sim is crazy with rift lol
2014-03-19 05:42 <lkalif> you want to ride it in mouslock mode
2014-03-19 05:42 <nebadon_> haha ya
2014-03-19 05:42 <nebadon_> did you puke? lol
2014-03-19 05:42 <lkalif> not yet lol
2014-03-19 05:44 <lkalif> the viewer actually work very well with it
2014-03-19 05:44 <lkalif> surpsignly well
2014-03-19 05:44 <dahlia> take a pic :)
2014-03-19 05:45 <lkalif> it's difficult to see when projected
2014-03-19 05:45 <lkalif> but here you go https://www.dropbox.com/s/s70tiw3s0duqtk3/Screenshot%202014-03-19%2007.44.27.png
2014-03-19 05:47 <dahlia> so its 640x800 in each eye?
2014-03-19 05:47 <lkalif> yeah in this dev kit
2014-03-19 05:48 <dahlia> I heard they had a newer one, is that it?
2014-03-19 05:48 <lkalif> they say they are going to go higher in the consumer version
2014-03-19 05:48 <lkalif> nope
2014-03-19 05:48 <lkalif> is the original
2014-03-19 05:48 <dahlia> is yours the $300 one?
2014-03-19 05:48 <lkalif> I have no idea how much it costs
2014-03-19 05:49 <dahlia> oh freebie? nice
2014-03-19 05:49 <lkalif> Unity seems to be one of the biggest dev kits for rift games
2014-03-19 05:49 <lkalif> and their HQ is like 2 miles down the road
2014-03-19 05:49 <lkalif> so they sent me one 
2014-03-19 05:49 <dahlia> nice of them
2014-03-19 05:49 <lkalif> yeah
2014-03-19 05:49 <dahlia> they blew me off
2014-03-19 05:50 <lkalif> unity?
2014-03-19 05:50 <dahlia> ya
2014-03-19 05:50 <lkalif> bastards
2014-03-19 05:50 <dahlia> so, I dont dev on unity any more
2014-03-19 05:50 <lkalif> they are so nice to me
2014-03-19 05:50 <lkalif> free licenses, rift, access to alpha and beta builds
2014-03-19 05:50 <dahlia> wow
2014-03-19 05:51 <lkalif> they even told me if I find something interesting on their for-pay unity asset store, they'd let me "test it", wink wink
2014-03-19 05:52 <dahlia> so instead, I dev on anything that competes with them :P
2014-03-19 05:52 <lkalif> lol
2014-03-19 05:56 <dahlia> but somehow I think your contact at unity could care less what I use ;)
2014-03-19 05:57 <lkalif> well I never got any friebies from anyone before
2014-03-19 05:57 <lkalif> so I'm not complaining
2014-03-19 05:58 <lkalif> btw. they have dropped google native client support
2014-03-19 05:58 <LiruCookies> NaCl?
2014-03-19 05:58 <lkalif> and today they announced they'll be working with mozilla to make WebGL a unity target
2014-03-19 05:58 <lkalif> LiruCookies: yes
2014-03-19 05:58 <dahlia> nacl sux
2014-03-19 05:59 <dahlia> would probably be better with some polish 
2014-03-19 05:59 <dahlia> but no other browser will touch it
2014-03-19 05:59 <dahlia> emscripten works almost as well
2014-03-19 06:00 <lkalif> they say it will run on mozilla's asm.js whatever that happen to be
2014-03-19 06:00 <LiruCookies> 
ACTION thinks, "What does Poland have to do with this?"

2014-03-19 06:01 <dahlia> LiruCookies: emscripten is that clang fork which compiles c++ to a "fast" subset of javascript
2014-03-19 06:01 <dahlia> errr, not clang, llvm
2014-03-19 06:01 <LiruCookies> dahlia: Was referring to the word polish
2014-03-19 06:01 <dahlia> oh
2014-03-19 06:02 <dahlia> polish, as in shine it up 
2014-03-19 06:02 <LiruCookies> Always getting tripped by that word
2014-03-19 06:03 <LiruCookies> So c++ becomes js
2014-03-19 06:03 <LiruCookies> This I could enjoy.
2014-03-19 06:03 <LiruCookies> Can I use boost?
2014-03-19 06:04 <dahlia> probably
2014-03-19 06:04 <LiruCookies> Or just std and I what I make.
2014-03-19 06:04 <lkalif> 
ACTION shakes head "crazy people"

2014-03-19 06:04 <LiruCookies> J'adore boost.
2014-03-19 06:05 <dahlia> if boost compiles with llvm you could probably use it
2014-03-19 06:05 <LiruCookies> It has in the past.
2014-03-19 06:05 <dahlia> where you get stuck is in syscalls
2014-03-19 06:05 <lkalif> boost but an ugly patch to cover up c++ deficiencies
2014-03-19 06:05 <lkalif> good programming languages come with that stuff built in
2014-03-19 06:05 <dahlia> std has a lot of stuff
2014-03-19 06:06 <dahlia> Ive never needed boost
2014-03-19 06:06 <nebadon_> jakdaniels : ping
2014-03-19 06:06 <dahlia> usually anything worthwhile in boost goes into std sooner or later anyway
2014-03-19 06:06 <LiruCookies> Boost exists because initial C++ lacked good libraries, and why force compilers to implememt all that stuff
2014-03-19 06:07 <lkalif> boost exists because c++ sucz ballz
2014-03-19 06:07 <dahlia> lol
2014-03-19 06:08 <LiruCookies> C++17 Looks promising for a template concept I have been wishing for.
2014-03-19 06:08 <dahlia> c++ is pretty ugly :/
2014-03-19 06:08 <LiruCookies> Would make templates less ugly.
2014-03-19 06:09 <dahlia> I think templates are pretty cool if kept simple but when they try to reinvent the universe with them I tend to look elsewhere for a solution
2014-03-19 06:10 <lkalif> you have boost filesystem, because c++ streams are crap
2014-03-19 06:10 <lkalif> you have boost signals implementing c# events with delegates and callbacks, but poorly
2014-03-19 06:10 <lkalif> boost regex, well every other language has that built in
2014-03-19 06:11 <lkalif> what else, threads.. same as above
2014-03-19 06:11 <lkalif> it's trying to make c++ less horrible
2014-03-19 06:11 <LiruCookies> <regex> exists!
2014-03-19 06:11 <lkalif> streams exists too
2014-03-19 06:12 <lkalif> doesn't mean boost::filesystem3 isn't better 10 times
2014-03-19 06:13 <lkalif> but compared to c# System.IO it's all middle ages with steam power and metal gears
2014-03-19 06:14 <lkalif> if a c++ programmer saw this line of c#:
2014-03-19 06:14 <lkalif> string foo = File.ReadAllText("somefile.txt");
2014-03-19 06:14 <lkalif> their head would explode
2014-03-19 06:15 <lkalif> or byte[] data = File.ReadAllBytes("somebinfile.bin");
2014-03-19 06:18 <LiruCookies> Ew
2014-03-19 06:19 <LiruCookies> byte[] data(file::readAllBytes("somebinfile.bin"));
2014-03-19 06:19 <LiruCookies> Way more appealing
2014-03-19 06:20 <LiruCookies> But that is easy, we can implement this.
2014-03-19 06:21 <lkalif> LiruCookies: this is built in. One liner to read a file
2014-03-19 06:21 <LiruCookies> But that is not a standard
2014-03-19 06:21 <lkalif> what do you mean?
2014-03-19 06:22 <lkalif> it's a standard lib
2014-03-19 06:22 <lkalif> it comes with every c# implementation
2014-03-19 06:22 <lkalif> you need not worry about it, just use it
2014-03-19 06:22 <LiruCookies> It is microsoft's language to do with what they please
2014-03-19 06:22 <lkalif> what does that have to do with how good it is
2014-03-19 06:24 <LiruCookies> There are many implementations of c++ std, changing it is not as easy
2014-03-19 06:24 <LiruCookies> That is why boost exists
2014-03-19 06:25 <lkalif> saying boost is good is like saying "wow, this steam boat is so much better than the one with sails", and we over here say "wow, that poor guy, we use teleport devices over here" :P
2014-03-19 06:26 <dahlia> I find people using older boost stuff which is now depricated and their code is esentially unusable
2014-03-19 06:26 <dahlia> and the good stuff goes into std
2014-03-19 06:27 <dahlia> so I just use std :P
2014-03-19 06:27 <dahlia> although I'm far from an expert c++ coder
2014-03-19 06:28 <dahlia> I did c for ages and I do consider c++ an improvement, but c cound have gone another direction and probably been better
2014-03-19 06:28 <LiruCookies> C still exists and has gone another direction
2014-03-19 06:28 <dahlia> *could have
2014-03-19 06:29 <dahlia> ya but c++ has had a lot more attention
2014-03-19 06:29 <LiruCookies> It borrows from c++ and c++ borrows from it
2014-03-19 06:30 <dahlia> and just about anything in c has a bazillion "#ifdef KLUDGE_HACK"s in it
2014-03-19 06:30 <lkalif> yeah they have "bool" now. YEY! lol
2014-03-19 06:31 <dahlia> but there are times when a managed runtime just doesnt cut it, and c# "unsafe" doesnt perform anywhere near as well as c/c++
2014-03-19 06:31 <LiruCookies> hacks because inheritance does not exist
2014-03-19 06:32 <dahlia> hacks because of OS/hardware/dependency variations
2014-03-19 06:32 <dahlia> but I wouldnt write a OS kernel in anything but c ;)
2014-03-19 06:33 <LiruCookies> Why not pure asm?
2014-03-19 06:33 <LiruCookies> No docs
2014-03-19 06:33 <dahlia> because ASM is tied to a specific hardware
2014-03-19 06:33 <lkalif> why not using magnetic needle to manually flip bits? :P
2014-03-19 06:33 <LiruCookies> And a whole lot of forgetfulness.
2014-03-19 06:34 <LiruCookies> Yes, needles!
2014-03-19 06:34 <LiruCookies> Wait
2014-03-19 06:34 <LiruCookies> Program a robot to needle for you
2014-03-19 06:35 <LiruCookies> Because optimization of human 
2014-03-19 06:35 <lkalif> http://www.xkcd.com/378/
2014-03-19 06:36 <LiruCookies> CNet
2014-03-19 06:36 <LiruCookies> (seen it)
2014-03-19 06:36 <lkalif> this is my favorite xkcd of all times
2014-03-19 06:37 <LiruCookies> it is nice
2014-03-19 06:37 <lkalif> and the hovetext is the best: "Real programmers set the universal constants at the start such that the universe evolves to contain the disk with the data they want."
2014-03-19 06:37 <LiruCookies> I like sword fight compiling
2014-03-19 06:37 <LiruCookies> Yus
2014-03-19 06:45 <Plugh> lkalif: hehe... nice xkcd cartoon.
2014-03-19 06:48 <dahlia> pffft emacs
2014-03-19 06:49 <nebadon_> nice, jakdaniels : http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/sanjose_maptiles.png
2014-03-19 06:49 <nebadon_> i do want to talk about your patch that just went in, I think we need to change some things
2014-03-19 07:12 <LiruCookies> nebadon_: 3x3 regions?
2014-03-19 07:13 <nebadon_> ya vars
2014-03-19 07:13 <nebadon_> 12 of them in a 3x4 pattern
2014-03-19 07:14 <LiruCookies> Is it supposed to mark with region name for each normal sized square of it?
2014-03-19 07:14 <LiruCookies> I forget..
2014-03-19 07:14 <nebadon_> ya
2014-03-19 08:22 -!- orenh(~quassel@89-139-29-153.bb.netvision.net.il) has left #opensim-dev
2014-03-19 08:30 <MichelleZ> i saw a ping from lkalif but its gone off of my scroll back
2014-03-19 10:24 <osmantis> Bug #5892:04 Addition of Export Asset Flag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5892 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-19 10:39 <osmantis> Bug #5892:04 Addition of Export Asset Flag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5892 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-19 10:40 <velus> morning falks
2014-03-19 10:52 <jakdaniels> nebadon_ pong, heh.. i'm in UK so was asleep when you pinged me. I guess that's where you are right now ;-)
2014-03-19 10:53 <velus> hey jakdaniels im uk too lol 
2014-03-19 10:53 <jakdaniels> hi velus. I know there is a few of us here.
2014-03-19 10:54 <osmantis> Bug #5892:04 Addition of Export Asset Flag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5892 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-19 10:54 <velus> yeah i know i found out recently
2014-03-19 10:54 <jakdaniels> We have to stay up *really* late to catch most of the chat on here
2014-03-19 10:54 <velus> yeah i know and i have been ish llol but im working on a project so that has been keeping me up late too
2014-03-19 10:55 <jakdaniels> how's the webface going?
2014-03-19 10:55 <velus> do you wanna see the progress of the site?
2014-03-19 10:55 <jakdaniels> sure
2014-03-19 10:55 <velus> going good atually 
2014-03-19 10:55 <velus> http://velusunvierse.com you can use alan johnston with the password we9529xn
2014-03-19 10:56 <jakdaniels> heh, spelling ;-)
2014-03-19 10:56 <velus> check out the profile section in accounts
2014-03-19 10:56 <jakdaniels> found it
2014-03-19 10:57 <velus> yeah sorry lol
2014-03-19 10:57 <velus> should have that on paste really lol
2014-03-19 10:59 <jakdaniels> yeah it's looking good. Why have you set the deadline? Does that encourage you to work faster? ;-)
2014-03-19 11:00 <velus> in a way yes and in a way helps me keep going and not side tracking to much lol
2014-03-19 11:01 <jakdaniels> Are you running a test grid at the moment, and presumably you'll be moving onto hosted/colo servers at some point when things take off?
2014-03-19 11:02 <velus> im on a hosted grid but i will have to change very soon due to changes in the price of the system
2014-03-19 11:04 <jakdaniels> k. well good luck with it. :-) btw, who is your hosting with atm?
2014-03-19 11:04 <velus> heart internet
2014-03-19 11:04 <velus> but changing to a ovh company
2014-03-19 11:04 <osmantis> Bug #7040:04 request for function osUpdateObject(key object) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7040 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-19 11:05 <jakdaniels> oh they just a web hoster or do they provide opensim hosting too?
2014-03-19 11:06 <velus> just a web hoster but they offer dedicated servers from as little as 8 euros +
2014-03-19 11:10 <jakdaniels> I use https://www.bhost.net/home?afid=119789  to host my opensim servers. �10/month 2Gb ram 4cores 50Gb disk. Its openvz, but runs opensim really well
2014-03-19 11:10 <jakdaniels> your server can be in london or amsterdam
2014-03-19 11:10 <jakdaniels> i use ubunto 12.04lts on the VPS
2014-03-19 11:11 <jakdaniels> *ubuntu
2014-03-19 11:11 <velus> i prefer windows on mine 
2014-03-19 11:12 <jakdaniels> each to there own ;-) ;-). I hate windows in a server environment, I find it much easier to host a PHP/mysql Opensim/mysql site on linux
2014-03-19 11:13 <velus> i dont like the mono and i prefer to have a gui that i can look at so i can watch the system as it happeneds
2014-03-19 11:14 <jakdaniels> and i find it always takes 5x longer to make stuff like this work under windows
2014-03-19 11:15 <velus> how?
2014-03-19 11:15 <velus> brb fire alarms
2014-03-19 11:15 <jakdaniels> well don't get me started about IIS etc ;-)
2014-03-19 11:18 <jakdaniels> but I guess it's just what we feel most comfortable using, and I've always found myself more productive on a linux platform
2014-03-19 11:39 <velus> i work with windows everyday but hate iis 
2014-03-19 11:39 <velus> and yeah i prefer a linux hoster but i have problems setting up opensim in linux lol
2014-03-19 11:40 <velus> what about suse? coudl that be good enough to use?
2014-03-19 11:40 <jakdaniels> oh that's easy to do.... just install mono standard package in ubuntu, compile opensim with nant and you're set
2014-03-19 11:40 <velus> ok
2014-03-19 11:41 <velus> i might try that with the new system 
2014-03-19 11:41 <jakdaniels> there's a bit of commandline stuff to do with mysql too... set up an opensim user and create a blank db etc
2014-03-19 11:41 <velus> im thinking of creating a custom os for my openism lol can you get opensim in a rpm? i know daft 
2014-03-19 11:41 <velus> i know and i know how to do that
2014-03-19 11:42 <jakdaniels> i just make an 'opensim' unix user and git clone opensim into /home/opensim/opensim
2014-03-19 11:42 <velus> im atm creatning a custom suse os for my self lol
2014-03-19 11:42 <velus> ok cool 
2014-03-19 11:42 <jakdaniels> i have some nice scripts for auto starting/restarting opensim and setting it up in a tmux console
2014-03-19 11:43 <velus> nice maybe you could help em 
2014-03-19 11:43 <velus> me
2014-03-19 11:44 <jakdaniels> sure. let me know when you are setting up the host. I've not used suse for a long long time, I was mostly on centos, but moved to ubuntu for hosting opensim
2014-03-19 11:44 <jakdaniels> centos 5 did not support the .so shared libraries that bulletsim uses
2014-03-19 11:45 <velus> ok im thinking of creating my own os for when i go colo but atm ill use unbuntu
2014-03-19 11:46 <jakdaniels> OpenSim builds using nant in 75 seconds on these 4 core Bhost VPS's
2014-03-19 11:47 <velus> nice
2014-03-19 11:48 <velus> so a 4core 4 thread system with 16gb ram and 2 500 gb hdd with soft raid is good then
2014-03-19 11:49 <jakdaniels> depends what you are to do with it. 
2014-03-19 11:49 <velus> true
2014-03-19 11:51 <jakdaniels> if I were building a grid from scratch, with a view to it growing, I would either have a bigger machine colo, or think about distributing services across many smaller VPSs and just buying more as needed as you grow
2014-03-19 11:51 <jakdaniels> but i'm nota grid expert
2014-03-19 11:51 <jakdaniels> i'm sure nebadon could give you the story of how osgrid started and then grew
2014-03-19 11:52 <velus> yeah im goping on the big to start then grow as time goes on
2014-03-19 11:54 <velus> so where in the uk you from?
2014-03-19 11:55 <jakdaniels> in Wales, about 40 miles west of Hereford/30 miles east of Aberystwyth
2014-03-19 11:56 <velus> nice birmingham here
2014-03-19 11:56 <jakdaniels> that's in UK's tornado alley isn't it??? ;-)
2014-03-19 12:00 <velus> lol yeah
2014-03-19 12:00 <velus> you good with c# ?
2014-03-19 12:00 <jakdaniels> although compared to US it's a fart in a teacup
2014-03-19 12:01 <velus> lol no its a mouse fart in a tea cup compaered to us
2014-03-19 12:01 <velus> you any good with c# jack
2014-03-19 12:01 <jakdaniels> i'm getting better.. i have contributed some code to OS, but it's such a big beast to get familiar with
2014-03-19 12:01 <jakdaniels> i'm much more at home in PHP
2014-03-19 12:02 <jakdaniels> i did write a OS module too do control tides on a sim
2014-03-19 12:02 <velus> cool well maybe you could look over my code and see what you think, dont forget that its majorly under develkopment
2014-03-19 12:04 <jakdaniels> well I could, but I wouldn't be best person to advise on the DB internals of OS, and the bitfield stuff in profiles etc
2014-03-19 12:06 <velus> i was thinking more of what the code is like
2014-03-19 12:11 <jakdaniels> well, we all have differnt idea of coding standards. Over the years I have written lots of my own libraries for things like database access etc, so I can protype things very quickly. I also write code very compactly in php and always err on side of caution when using external data. Great fan of preg_match for checking data sanity from a web page forms etc.
2014-03-19 12:12 <velus> just like look over the code and tell me what you think
2014-03-19 12:12 <velus> ok so you would be good to help me then lol
2014-03-19 12:12 <jakdaniels> sure i can do that if you want, if it will be useful for you
2014-03-19 12:13 <velus> yeah it would lol 
2014-03-19 12:35 <osmantis> Bug #7032:04 Region Specific Static Maptile doesn't work on varregions>1024x1024 (max size of a texture) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7032 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-19 12:39 <osmantis> Bug #7032:04 Region Specific Static Maptile doesn't work on varregions>1024x1024 (max size of a texture) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7032 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-03-19 12:40 <osmantis> Bug #7032:04 Region Specific Static Maptile doesn't work on varregions>1024x1024 (max size of a texture) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7032 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-03-19 12:41 <osmantis> Bug #7032:04 Region Specific Static Maptile doesn't work on varregions>1024x1024 (max size of a texture) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7032 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-19 12:51 <velus> jakdaniels: you there??
2014-03-19 12:51 <velus> .
2014-03-19 12:56 <velus> hey im gonna look around to see if there are other providers for hostig and see what i can get
2014-03-19 13:44 <jakdaniels> hi velus, sorry i went for lunch
2014-03-19 13:47 <velus> tis ok
2014-03-19 13:48 <velus> did you get the email i sent
2014-03-19 13:49 <jakdaniels> hehe, yes it went to gmail's spam folder. I guess from looking at the headers that your mail server does not use SPF ?
2014-03-19 13:50 <velus> not at presnet im gonna be setting that up when i get the new server
2014-03-19 13:50 <velus>  is it worth atually installing something like ispconfig for the site managment or not?
2014-03-19 13:50 <jakdaniels> its a simple TXT record in the velusuniverse.com domain specifying the servers A records that send mail
2014-03-19 13:52 <velus> yeah i know
2014-03-19 13:52 <jakdaniels> i tried ispconfig ages ago, but in the end went for my own scripts to manage web virtual domains etc. ISPconfig was a bit of a mess tbh
2014-03-19 13:52 <velus> ok maybe you could help with the scripts then too lol
2014-03-19 13:54 <jakdaniels> perhaps... i don't have too much time ;-) anyway did you look at this hoster: 
2014-03-19 13:54 <jakdaniels> https://www.bhost.net/home?afid=119789, their openvz stuff is good and i have the 30%discount code so the platinum openvz is even cheaper per month. And no I don't work for them lol, I just like their VPSs
2014-03-19 13:55 <jakdaniels> i guess you can try one for a month for only about �8.40inc vat
2014-03-19 13:56 <velus> yeah but the ram is a little small for a full grid with lots of regions 
2014-03-19 13:57 <jakdaniels> i would run grid services on one VPS and then simulators with one or more regions on another
2014-03-19 13:57 <velus> yeah maybe 
2014-03-19 13:57 <velus> i might try that out atually
2014-03-19 13:58 <jakdaniels> its a cheap- way to start and get used to the platform, you can always migrate to bigger servers as things grow
2014-03-19 13:58 <velus> yeah true true 
2014-03-19 14:20 <jakdaniels> ping nebadon2
2014-03-19 14:28 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-19 14:36 <nebadon2> hey jakdaniels
2014-03-19 14:37 <jakdaniels> hey neb.... nice map you have there ;-)
2014-03-19 14:37 <nebadon2> thanks couple things I would like to change about this functionality
2014-03-19 14:38 <nebadon2> I dont like how tiles have to be in /bin/maptiles
2014-03-19 14:38 <nebadon2> we should be able to program any path we like
2014-03-19 14:38 <jakdaniels> ok.... me too but RA suggested that
2014-03-19 14:38 <nebadon2> well by default that is fine
2014-03-19 14:38 <smxy> That's configurable. Nothing writes under bin in my setup.
2014-03-19 14:38 <nebadon2> but the path should be programable
2014-03-19 14:38 <smxy> It is
2014-03-19 14:38 <nebadon2> ?
2014-03-19 14:38 <nebadon2> I dont think it is
2014-03-19 14:39 <smxy> All my maptiles are outside of bin :)
2014-03-19 14:39 <nebadon2> im talking about for new functionality
2014-03-19 14:39 <jakdaniels> well in my first path the filename was transparent so you could say file.png and it was actually bin/file.png, but you could also say /home/opensim/file.png etc
2014-03-19 14:39 <nebadon2> right
2014-03-19 14:39 <jakdaniels> sorry first patch
2014-03-19 14:39 <nebadon2> thats how it should be
2014-03-19 14:39 <jakdaniels> but now i prepend maptiles/ to it so the full path thing is broken
2014-03-19 14:40 <smxy> Then someone regressed when they added the new functionality, as I've always been able to put my tiles elsewhere.
2014-03-19 14:40 <jakdaniels> but that was on RA's suggestion
2014-03-19 14:40 <nebadon2> ya that makes it almost unusable for me
2014-03-19 14:40 <nebadon2> makes upgrading much more difficult
2014-03-19 14:40 <jakdaniels> well i would change it back, i just didn't want to get into a big discussion about it at the time
2014-03-19 14:40 <nebadon2> means everytime i upgrade i have to move those files around
2014-03-19 14:41 <smxy> We should always have the option to put files anywhere we want. I never allow anything to write under bin.
2014-03-19 14:41 <nebadon2> ok I dont think Misterblue will have issues with changing it
2014-03-19 14:41 <nebadon2> ya me either now smxy
2014-03-19 14:41 <nebadon2>  but its no writing
2014-03-19 14:41 <nebadon2> its reading
2014-03-19 14:41 <jakdaniels> cool, is that something you can do easily? I can give you the file/linenumbers
2014-03-19 14:41 <nebadon2> its for static maptiles to a file
2014-03-19 14:41 <smxy> Yes it is. You are writing there, to put the tiles there.
2014-03-19 14:42 <nebadon2> no we are reading tiles
2014-03-19 14:42 <smxy> I don't even allow myself to write under bin. :)
2014-03-19 14:42 <nebadon2> for the new static maptile functions
2014-03-19 14:42 <nebadon2> patch went in last night
2014-03-19 14:42 <jakdaniels> it reads a png file to create a static maptile
2014-03-19 14:42 <smxy> Yes, and YOU had to write under bin to put them there. :)
2014-03-19 14:42 <nebadon2> oh yes that is problem #2
2014-03-19 14:42 <nebadon2> the example says it supports tga, bitmap, jpg etc..
2014-03-19 14:42 <nebadon2> but it seems only png works
2014-03-19 14:43 <jakdaniels> ah ok... maybe my bad.... I thought System.Bitmap supported more than just png
2014-03-19 14:43 <nebadon2> well it may, but initially i tried tga last night
2014-03-19 14:43 <jakdaniels> it will certainly support bmp that's windows native
2014-03-19 14:43 <nebadon2> and when region started up said it could not find files
2014-03-19 14:43 <jakdaniels> perhaps that is the only one it doesn't
2014-03-19 14:43 <nebadon2> i changed to png and it started working
2014-03-19 14:44 <jakdaniels> i didn't try that format. my bad :-)
2014-03-19 14:44 <nebadon2> did you try bmp?
2014-03-19 14:46 <jakdaniels> OpenSim/Region/CoreModules/World/legacyMap/MapImageModule.cs lines 125, 129 and 133
2014-03-19 14:47 <jakdaniels> yes a RGB 8bpp seemed to work for me I seem to remember, but that was a good few weeks back I did that test
2014-03-19 14:48 <jakdaniels> sorry *LegacyMap
2014-03-19 14:49 <jakdaniels> if you remove the "maptiles/" + bit it will default to bin/ again but allow a full path
2014-03-19 14:50 <smxy> Can't you look at how maptiles is already handled elsewhere in the system and just do it that way?
2014-03-19 14:50 <jakdaniels> there is no other way to load a large bitmap in for a static map for a varregion bigger than 1024x1024m
2014-03-19 14:51 <Dev_Random> jakdaniels... could use a config var, and have it just default to "maptiles" if no directory is specified?
2014-03-19 14:52 <smxy> I don't understand why handling of where the maptiles dir is found needs to be reinvented. It's been perfectly settable to anywhere, with a default to under bin, for at least a couple of years now.
2014-03-19 14:55 <jakdaniels> but that's defined in a grid config no and read in HypergridLinker.cs
2014-03-19 14:56 <jakdaniels> and the MapImageService stores tiles there
2014-03-19 14:56 <nebadon2> ok
2014-03-19 14:57 <smxy> At least one place it's set is in robust's [GridService]
2014-03-19 14:58 <nebadon2> we can probably do something like "./maptiles/tile.png"
2014-03-19 14:58 <jakdaniels> yes that works
2014-03-19 14:58 <smxy> I set mine like: MapTileDirectory = "/home/ste/grid/var/maptiles"
2014-03-19 14:58 <jakdaniels> maptiles/tile.png even
2014-03-19 14:58 <jakdaniels> but smxy, this is a simulator thing not a grid thing
2014-03-19 14:59 <jakdaniels> i think the maptiles directory has been used for the storage of grid maps
2014-03-19 14:59 <jakdaniels> not an image on the simulator/region side of things
2014-03-19 15:00 <nebadon2> ya
2014-03-19 15:00 <nebadon2> smxys reaction to this is another good reason we shouldnt be using that folder
2014-03-19 15:00 <nebadon2> causes confusion
2014-03-19 15:01 <smxy> if you are adding a second function to that folder name, then yeah, maybe you should use a different name, but make sure you code it to be settable to anyplace, with a default under bin. :)
2014-03-19 15:01 <nebadon2> smxy what jakdaniels and I are talking about has nothing to do with that variable
2014-03-19 15:01 <jakdaniels> my initial preference myself was to use Regions/regionmap1.png etc.... but I can see your issue with that neb
2014-03-19 15:03 <smxy> 
ACTION goes away and quits making trouble. Just don't hard-code anything to only be allowed under bin, please.

2014-03-19 15:04 <jakdaniels> it won't be hardcoded to bin, it'll just default to that as that's opensim CWD if you don't put any path in the filename
2014-03-19 15:04 <jakdaniels> so you could still say maptiles/file.png if you do want that dir
2014-03-19 15:04 <smxy> That's perfect.
2014-03-19 15:04 <jakdaniels> or /home/opensim/myregionpics/file.png
2014-03-19 15:05 <smxy> Great. I'll shut up now. :)
2014-03-19 15:07 <jakdaniels> nebadon2 can you make that change easily or should i make another patch?
2014-03-19 15:08 <nebadon2> I can give me a few though, i am in middle of testing something else
2014-03-19 15:08 <jakdaniels> np
2014-03-19 15:09 <jakdaniels> when you get a chance, the gridmap on osgrid.org needs talking about for varregions
2014-03-19 15:15 <nebadon2> you mean the webmap?
2014-03-19 15:16 <jakdaniels> yeah.... it squashes a varregions large maptile into a 256x256 legacy region
2014-03-19 15:16 <jakdaniels> for both static and warp3d
2014-03-19 15:17 <nebadon2> ya I am not sure that is going to be fixable
2014-03-19 15:17 <nebadon2> that map requires each tile to have a grid entry and unique uuid
2014-03-19 15:17 <jakdaniels> i did take a look at the code, but I don't know how varregions are now stored in the grid db
2014-03-19 15:17 <nebadon2> the problem with vars is they dont generate a entry in Regions table for each tile they use
2014-03-19 15:18 <nebadon2> so the osgrid / avacon webmap is just not going to work
2014-03-19 15:18 <nebadon2> i dont even know how we could refactor it to work
2014-03-19 15:18 <jakdaniels> does that mean its possible to camp another region on top of a varregion outside of its SW corner?
2014-03-19 15:18 <nebadon2> probably
2014-03-19 15:20 <jakdaniels> so... where do all the cut up tiles go when MAP IMAGE CONNECTOR uploads them to the grid?
2014-03-19 15:20 <nebadon2> not sure quite how that works, would need to ask Misterblue
2014-03-19 15:21 <jakdaniels> I'm still a bit confused about the various map interfaces.... there are 3? MAP IMAGE CONNECTOR, WORLD MAP, and MAP IMAGE SERVICE
2014-03-19 15:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #3383 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-19 15:29 <nebadon2> there we go jakdaniels, i updated the Regions.ini example as well
2014-03-19 15:29 <nebadon2> removed tga and added an example path
2014-03-19 15:29 <jakdaniels> ok cool, pulling now
2014-03-19 15:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3383: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3383/
2014-03-19 15:32 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: Allow MaptileStaticFile path to be set to anywhere and not force it to bin/maptiles
2014-03-19 15:43 <jakdaniels> nebadon2 , yep that works fine http://imagebin.org/300347
2014-03-19 15:45 <nebadon2> k cool
2014-03-19 16:12 <velus> nebadon2: quick question is opensim ipv6 compatiable?
2014-03-19 16:14 <nebadon2> no
2014-03-19 16:14 <nebadon2> the LL viewer is also not ipv6 compatible either
2014-03-19 16:14 <velus> ok would it be in the future?
2014-03-19 16:15 <nebadon2> no idea, I imagine eventually it will have to be
2014-03-19 16:15 <nebadon2> but I have not heard any plans by LL to start supporting it
2014-03-19 16:15 <velus> why dont you start to make it compatable well start to implamenmt it
2014-03-19 16:15 <nebadon2> because there are about 1000 more important things to do first I think
2014-03-19 16:15 <osmantis> Bug #7061:04 Collisions and llCastRay 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-19 16:16 <nebadon2> and I dont think we will be able to get any viewer dev to commit to ipv6 before LL does
2014-03-19 16:16 <velus> ok
2014-03-19 16:16 <nebadon2> it would be like doing everything twice
2014-03-19 16:17 <nebadon2> even if we did it perfectly, LL undoubtadly would do it their own way
2014-03-19 16:17 <nebadon2> i cant even test ipv6 myself
2014-03-19 16:18 <velus> ok
2014-03-19 16:18 <nebadon2> with the current modem I have and the area I live in there is no ipv6 support
2014-03-19 16:19 <smxy> You'd have to tunnel it over ipv4
2014-03-19 16:23 <Plugh> nebadon2: I was testing your light cycle in a sandbox. When I stand up from it I'm thrown in to the air in an arc and land around 20m or 30m away from the vehicle.
2014-03-19 16:23 <nebadon2> lol
2014-03-19 16:24 <nebadon2> that light cycle is aincent, and it was never really good
2014-03-19 16:24 <Plugh> Seems to move around the sandbox rather well.
2014-03-19 16:24 <Plugh> Only issue I see is that it starts to lean a little after bit.
2014-03-19 16:25 <Plugh> I was trying to figure out which box has the set of scripts used in your racer vehicles.
2014-03-19 16:25 <nebadon2> ya its not a great design
2014-03-19 16:26 <Plugh> um... bbl. Lunch is ready.
2014-03-19 16:26 <nebadon2> k
2014-03-19 16:28 <velus> tyt
2014-03-19 16:28 <jakdaniels> dang it my varregion is picking up chat from users 1.3km away!
2014-03-19 16:29 <nebadon2> yes that is a bug jakdaniels
2014-03-19 16:29 <nebadon2> another thing I keep forgetting to talk to Misterblue about
2014-03-19 16:29 <jakdaniels> does it pick up chat all the way to 8192m?
2014-03-19 16:29 <nebadon2> probably
2014-03-19 16:30 <nebadon2> the limit was removed
2014-03-19 16:30 <nebadon2> as a quick bandaid
2014-03-19 16:30 <nebadon2> Misterblue are you here?
2014-03-19 16:31 <jakdaniels> does that mean that prims that shout things like 'Tide Warning: The Tide is going OUT!' can be heard on those other regions or is it just the varregion incoming chat?
2014-03-19 16:31 <nebadon2> I think its just incoming
2014-03-19 16:35 <jakdaniels> yes, confirmed. it is incoming not outgoing
2014-03-19 17:16 <Plugh> I'm back.
2014-03-19 17:17 <Plugh> nebadon2: Which box(?) contains just the current set of scripts used in your racer kit?
2014-03-19 17:27 <nebadon2> probably better off just grabbing the racer itself at Sisyphus Plugh
2014-03-19 17:28 <nebadon2> I am not 100% sure the very latest racer is boxed
2014-03-19 17:55 <yayscience> diva, hi! 
2014-03-19 17:55 <velus> hi yayscience 
2014-03-19 17:56 <yayscience> hi velus!
2014-03-19 17:56 <Plugh> nebadon2: ok. So there isn't a box that has just the scripts?
2014-03-19 17:56 <yayscience> I work with diva, am new to the opensim irc
2014-03-19 17:56 <yayscience> hello
2014-03-19 17:56 <H-H-H> sorry lkalif my pc crashed yesterday but yes it has a modneymodule dll for the regions and a moneyserver.exe with wich it communicates over https 
2014-03-19 17:56 <nebadon2> Plugh no the racer itself is meant to really be the box
2014-03-19 17:56 <nebadon2> its to confusing otherwise
2014-03-19 17:56 <nebadon2> there are scripts in so many peices
2014-03-19 17:56 <Plugh> ok
2014-03-19 17:57 <nebadon2> the only way it makes sense is to see the scripts where they belong
2014-03-19 17:57 <Plugh> I'll have to track down the prims containing the scripts.
2014-03-19 17:57 <velus> hello yayscience welcome 
2014-03-19 17:57 <nebadon2> hello yayscience
2014-03-19 17:58 <H-H-H> 
ACTION hates waiting for a git push of opensim to a bre repo on github while useing a crap home broadband 

2014-03-19 17:58 <yayscience> velus: thank you!
2014-03-19 17:58 <yayscience> nebadon2: thank you!
2014-03-19 17:58 <Plugh> H-H-H: bre repo?
2014-03-19 17:58 <H-H-H> bare
2014-03-19 17:59 <H-H-H> sory
2014-03-19 17:59 <Plugh> oh, ok. :)
2014-03-19 17:59 <yayscience> H-H-H: that feeling when it's chugging along and you're not sure if your internet actually stopped.
2014-03-19 17:59 <velus> awww H-H-H i am on a dongle (mobile broadband) and i have a very fast connection
2014-03-19 18:00 <H-H-H> download is only maybe 3 or 4mb/s if im lucky and upload is never even 1mb lol
2014-03-19 18:01 <velus> im on 39mb downlaod and 43 upload http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3381849861 is the results and thats on a ee 4g dongle http://www.ee.co.uk
2014-03-19 18:04 <H-H-H> nice!
2014-03-19 18:04 <velus> yeah i know and i pay �30 pm for 10gb 
2014-03-19 18:50 <Aleric> Hi. Is there any ll* LSL function that I could use to find out if the script is running on opensim or in SL?
2014-03-19 19:27 <dahlia> Aleric: ll* functions typically conform to LL's API definition, so I'd think not unless there was some property unique to either that you could use to imply which platform
2014-03-19 19:28 <dahlia> like maybe hostname or something
2014-03-19 19:57 <diva> oh hi yeyscience
2014-03-19 19:57 <yayscience> hi diva!
2014-03-19 19:57 <diva> I only noticed my client flashing now. lad you found this channel!
2014-03-19 19:58 <diva> did you have questions for misterblue?
2014-03-19 19:58 <yayscience> Not yet! I thought I would just hang out 
2014-03-19 19:58 <yayscience> learn about what is going on in opensim
2014-03-19 19:58 <yayscience> I'll chime in if anything pops up, though
2014-03-19 20:00 <diva> ok, start listening. conversations here come in bursts. Its very handy when you have a technical question, and the people who can answer are usually here
2014-03-19 20:03 <yayscience> :)
2014-03-19 20:04 <nebadon2> if your not sure who to ask yayscience just give me a shout if you say my full name in chat it will alert me
2014-03-19 20:05 <nebadon2> my name usually has some variation of nebadon in it
2014-03-19 20:05 <lkalif> if you say nebadon2 he gets a small electro-shock admistered to his behind :P
2014-03-19 20:05 <nebadon2> lol
2014-03-19 20:05 <diva> yeah, nebadon is the major hub here. He should be able to either answer or redirect you to the person who can answer
2014-03-19 20:05 <diva> lol
2014-03-19 20:05 <lkalif> but he started liking it too much so we don't use that anymore ;)
2014-03-19 20:06 <yayscience> haha :) got it. thank you!
2014-03-19 20:07 <diva> everyone: yayscience is doing a performance experiments on opensim with me. We already measured the effect of those agent update filters I added back in July, now we want to measure physics. And of course, we hope to find ways to squeezing more performance out of the server
2014-03-19 20:08 <dahlia> nebadon2 nebadon2 nebadon2 nebadon2 nebadon2 nebadon2 nebadon2 nebadon2 nebadon2 nebadon2 nebadon2 nebadon2 nebadon2 nebadon2 nebadon2 nebadon2 nebadon2 
2014-03-19 20:08 <dahlia> 
ACTION watches nebadon2 jump

2014-03-19 20:08 <lkalif> he's in extasy now :P
2014-03-19 20:08 <nebadon2> haha
2014-03-19 20:08 <dahlia> hmmm maybe I should charge for this...
2014-03-19 20:09 <lkalif> diva: would be nice to map out the bottlenecks.
2014-03-19 20:09 <lkalif> didn't intel research show that the communications were actually the limiting factor for how many concurrent avatars you can have
2014-03-19 20:09 <diva> yes, lkahlif, that's what I'm hoping we will find
2014-03-19 20:10 <diva> sort of. the study we just did shows a strange thing that I want to investigate further. Let me make the paper available. 1 sec.
2014-03-19 20:13 <diva> here: http://www.ics.uci.edu/~lopes/opensim/SummerSimSubmission.pdf
2014-03-19 20:14 <diva> you can jump to the charts in page 4
2014-03-19 20:15 <lkalif> 2000 bots?
2014-03-19 20:16 <diva> 200 max. there's a quadratic increase in the outgoing packets, which, in principle is expected. But thinking about it more, I don't understand what packets we're sending when bots are simply sitting down doing absolutely nothing.
2014-03-19 20:16 <lkalif> ah, my brain swaped x,y axis
2014-03-19 20:16 <diva> It seems in that case we shouldnt be ssending any packets at all, just the pings.
2014-03-19 20:17 <diva> so I want to look a bit more at the outgoing packets to see what the heck is going on there
2014-03-19 20:17 <lkalif> this was opensim bot? pcambot or what it's called
2014-03-19 20:18 <diva> pcampbot, yes. 
2014-03-19 20:18 <diva> we controlled the agent updates more tightly
2014-03-19 20:18 <lkalif> that doesn't send viewer effect  i suppose
2014-03-19 20:18 <Aleric> I'd hope there is a huge different between a server hosted (opensim) bot and a 'third party' bot that just connects as viewer. The latter would get a load of messages that a bot doesn't need.
2014-03-19 20:18 <diva> we were alwsay sending 10 updates/sec + the pings that libomv sends
2014-03-19 20:19 <diva> Aleric these are client bots, not server side
2014-03-19 20:19 <diva> lkalif, not, I don't think so. Plus all the packets are accounted for, according to the numbers we measured
2014-03-19 20:20 <diva> like for 100 bots we expected 1050 packet/sec (agent updates + pings) and measured 1059 packets/sec
2014-03-19 20:20 <Aleric> Well, then a bot that is sitting doing nothing will get all the update of objects sent to it no? Including all the information of other avatars that are moving, or talking or changing animations - very likely quadratic no matter what you try.
2014-03-19 20:20 <diva> there is absolutely nothing going on in this scene
2014-03-19 20:21 <dahlia> a bot which is sitting is probably not sending mouse movement
2014-03-19 20:21 <diva> these are 100% controlled experiments
2014-03-19 20:21 <Aleric> Ok, if everyone is sitting and doing absolutely nothing then it should be as if they are just static objects :p.
2014-03-19 20:21 <lkalif> yeah one would expect more linear to quadratic packet rate increase here
2014-03-19 20:22 <diva> yep
2014-03-19 20:22 <dahlia> bots still send periodic agent updates
2014-03-19 20:22 <lkalif> but in general is probable O(n^2)
2014-03-19 20:22 <diva> dahlia, we are sending 10 agent updates/sec
2014-03-19 20:23 <diva> per bot
2014-03-19 20:23 <lkalif> dahlia: you'd expect with twice the bots, you get twice the traffic.
2014-03-19 20:23 <dahlia> ya but do they differ?
2014-03-19 20:23 <lkalif> they got 4 times
2014-03-19 20:23 <dahlia> viewers usually send agent updates at the same rate as frame rendering
2014-03-19 20:23 <diva> in the different scenations, the updates are either exactly the same values or just a tiny little difference that is filkterd out by the filters I added
2014-03-19 20:23 <diva> *scenarios
2014-03-19 20:24 <diva> it looks like opensim is making up more outgoing traffic than it should
2014-03-19 20:25 <dahlia> too much filtering can mess things up for other applications like gaming
2014-03-19 20:25 <diva> It should be easy to check which pakcets are being sent. I just need to have a few hours one of these days to probe this
2014-03-19 20:26 <lkalif> diva: don't students exist for that sepecific purpose? :P
2014-03-19 20:26 <dahlia> might I also suggest that an alternative to a filter would be to make packet propagation more efficient
2014-03-19 20:27 <diva> heheh, did you hear that yayscience? lkalif, opensim code is a bit daunting for the uninitiated :)
2014-03-19 20:28 <dahlia> initiation time :)
2014-03-19 20:28 <H-H-H> it is even for some that are :)
2014-03-19 20:28 <yayscience> ;) You have my sword
2014-03-19 20:28 <dahlia> 
ACTION searches for the code paddle....

2014-03-19 20:28 <lkalif> "for the uninitiated" is really not needed in that sentence diva :P
2014-03-19 20:28 <diva> heheh
2014-03-19 20:29 <yayscience> they told us about the code paddle at orientation
2014-03-19 20:29 <dahlia> OpenSim is easy once you figure out how to navigate thru all the interface layers :)  <.<  >.>
2014-03-19 20:29 <H-H-H> would i be right in thinking that for a first time (patch) contributor the best method for me to use is a feature request in mantis with the patch attached
2014-03-19 20:29 <yayscience> an enriching aspect of the student experience
2014-03-19 20:30 <yayscience> diva: I think tracing this problem would be a valuable learning experience for me
2014-03-19 20:30 <yayscience> I'd be interested in giving it a shot, especially since you have lots of other stuff going on
2014-03-19 20:30 <dahlia> H-H-H: that's a good way but be prepared to modify the patch when you get feedback
2014-03-19 20:30 <diva> that'd be greaat! go for it, and let m_log.DebugFormat() be with you! 
2014-03-19 20:31 <H-H-H> ok i will always welcome critiscism be it good or bad :)
2014-03-19 20:31 <dahlia> yayscience: if you're investigating UDP packets, a helpful tool to get familiar with is WinGridProxy
2014-03-19 20:31 <yayscience> you will find m_log.DebugFormat() and I crying at the pub later
2014-03-19 20:31 <yayscience> it's become a tradition
2014-03-19 20:31 <diva> :)
2014-03-19 20:32 <H-H-H> yayscience it is a tradition for me when debugging
2014-03-19 20:32 <diva> Remind me to tell you about WinGridProxy, the best tool for network issues in opensim
2014-03-19 20:32 <yayscience> Cool
2014-03-19 20:32 <dahlia> WinGridProxy is part of libomv, or there is a new one that lkalif wrote... he'll be more than happy to set you up I'm sure :)
2014-03-19 20:32 <yayscience> I'm checking it out now
2014-03-19 20:33 <yayscience> dahlia: awesome! lkalif: what have you built?
2014-03-19 20:33 <diva> yayscience lkalif did/does libomv among lots of other things
2014-03-19 20:33 <nebadon2> he also wrote most of Radegast viewer
2014-03-19 20:33 <yayscience> Cool!
2014-03-19 20:33 <yayscience> Radegast is an awesome name for a viewer
2014-03-19 20:34 <nebadon2> http://radegast.org/wp/
2014-03-19 20:34 <lkalif> I think Dahlia was thinking of Gtk# version of WinGridProxy I recently wrote
2014-03-19 20:34 <lkalif> for Linux folks mostly
2014-03-19 20:34 <diva> yayscience does linux
2014-03-19 20:34 <lkalif> but I run it now on windows too
2014-03-19 20:34 <dahlia> ya that
2014-03-19 20:35 <yayscience> :w! saves
2014-03-19 20:35 <lkalif> yayscience: what do you run on your desktop?
2014-03-19 20:35 <dahlia> ooou vim <3
2014-03-19 20:35 <yayscience> lkalif: I am running Ubuntu 12.04 on the desktop
2014-03-19 20:35 <yayscience> I run ArchLinux on my laptop
2014-03-19 20:35 <yayscience> It breaks from time to time, to keep me on my toes
2014-03-19 20:36 <lkalif> ok you probably want to get https://files.streamgrid.net/singularity/misc/gp.tar.bz2
2014-03-19 20:36 <lkalif> need gtk#, if you have monodevelop installed it will run too
2014-03-19 20:36 <yayscience> great!
2014-03-19 20:36 <yayscience> is this a different build?
2014-03-19 20:36 <lkalif> different from what?
2014-03-19 20:37 <yayscience> Oh, sorry, I missed a link up there
2014-03-19 20:37 <diva> that's grid proxy, I think, not singularity
2014-03-19 20:37 <yayscience> got it, thanks
2014-03-19 20:37 <diva> lkalif also does singularity
2014-03-19 20:38 <lkalif> I don't do opensim ;)
2014-03-19 20:38 <yayscience> nice
2014-03-19 20:38 <lkalif> But I come in here to annoy them anyway :P
2014-03-19 20:39 <yayscience> It seems as if you are more like Gandalf
2014-03-19 20:39 <yayscience> you disappear for stretches maybe
2014-03-19 20:39 <yayscience> but when you appear you do all the things
2014-03-19 20:39 <lkalif> I've spent a lot of time looking at and reverse engineering the SL protocol
2014-03-19 20:39 <yayscience> this is my first impression
2014-03-19 20:39 <dahlia> I've spent a lot of time abusing the SL protocol :)
2014-03-19 20:40 <velus> lol
2014-03-19 20:40 <velus> i spent a lot of time scratching my head on ti
2014-03-19 20:40 <velus> it
2014-03-19 20:41 <yayscience> I'm curious; what are some of the things you are working to reverse engineer?
2014-03-19 20:42 <lkalif> When we started this, SL was a closed platform. It wasn't opensource and only one official client was connecting.
2014-03-19 20:42 <lkalif> A few people thought, wouldn't be fun to look at the network chatter between SL and its client
2014-03-19 20:42 <yayscience> oh neat
2014-03-19 20:42 <lkalif> so libsecondlife (now renamed to libopenmetaverse) was born allowing developers to write client apps for SL
2014-03-19 20:43 <lkalif> and then some other people thoght, "hey, if we can trick SL into thinking their viewer is connecting, why not trick the viewer that it is connecting to SL as well"
2014-03-19 20:43 <lkalif> and opensim was born
2014-03-19 20:43 <yayscience> haha nice
2014-03-19 20:44 <yayscience> that is some neat history
2014-03-19 20:46 <lkalif> Later Linden Lab opensourced the client, so the reverse engineering aspect of it is not that crucial anymore
2014-03-19 20:46 <lkalif> But gridproxy was born when that was not the case. And it's still useful to look at real-time traffic between the client and the simulator
2014-03-19 20:46 <yayscience> Right. 
2014-03-19 20:46 <yayscience> Especially in the case that diva and I are seeing know
2014-03-19 20:47 <dahlia> <3 WinGridProxy
2014-03-19 20:47 <yayscience> I'm really curious to see if there is some type of packet that's causing an extra communication load
2014-03-19 20:47 <yayscience> <3 
2014-03-19 20:47 <yayscience> *now, pardon
2014-03-19 20:49 <yayscience> Is this an appropriate place for nerdy jokes?
2014-03-19 20:50 <lkalif> sure
2014-03-19 20:50 <smxy> Nerdy's probably okay. Crude, no. Unless it's an oil joke. :)
2014-03-19 20:50 <yayscience> smxy: hahah
2014-03-19 20:50 <yayscience> I see what you did there
2014-03-19 20:50 <yayscience> What do you call 8 hobbits?
2014-03-19 20:50 <smxy> a hobbyte?
2014-03-19 20:50 <yayscience> ^-- nailed it
2014-03-19 20:50 <smxy> :)
2014-03-19 20:50 <Aleric> hobbyte yeah... rather obvious :p
2014-03-19 20:51 <yayscience> ;) I will need to think of better jokes for you
2014-03-19 20:51 <yayscience> witty lot
2014-03-19 20:51 <yayscience> Sorry diva, my bad jokes are everywhere
2014-03-19 20:54 <dahlia> OMG bad nerd jokes! yayscience yayscience yayscience yayscience yayscience yayscience yayscience yayscience yayscience yayscience yayscience yayscience yayscience yayscience 
2014-03-19 20:54 <dahlia> 
ACTION watches yayscience jump...

2014-03-19 20:55 <yayscience> haha
2014-03-19 20:55 <yayscience> I'm glad you're as excited about science as I am :D
2014-03-19 20:55 <yayscience> yay 
2014-03-19 20:55 <dahlia> science? *googles*...
2014-03-19 20:55 <lkalif> pfft, there is no gravity. only intelligent falling :P
2014-03-19 20:56 <yayscience> how could a flat planet have gravity anyway
2014-03-19 20:56 <lkalif> because there are turtles all the way down!
2014-03-19 20:56 <dahlia> 
ACTION only believes in a concave earth

2014-03-19 20:56 <diva> yayscience, this crowd can really take on geeky conversations. You better go back to work! :D
2014-03-19 20:57 <lkalif> science fact: tip of a whip moves at supersonic speeds :p
2014-03-19 20:59 <Aleric> 
ACTION wonders why the viewer compiles and saves a script to the server when I open it in the external editor :/

2014-03-19 21:02 <diva> yayscience: not sure what you want to do first: the walking bots or finding out why opensim is being quadratic when it shouldn't. If the latter, login just 1 bot, plus yourself via the gridproxy, and look at the UDP traffic back from the sim to see what kinds of packets are being sent back to you.
2014-03-19 21:15 <yayscience> :)
2014-03-19 21:15 <yayscience> Yes, I'm looking now
2014-03-19 21:15 <yayscience> (at gp, I mean)
2014-03-19 21:16 <yayscience> I would like to understand the problem before we do the walking bot experiment
2014-03-19 21:17 <diva> sounds good. let me know if you need help with runnig grid proxy
2014-03-19 21:20 <yayscience> I will, thank you
2014-03-19 21:29 <osmantis> Bug #7063:04 xbakes Robust.[HG].ini.example BaseDirectory = "/data/bakes" issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7063 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-19 22:00 <nebadon2> lkalif your occulus is the original kit? not the new HD one?
2014-03-19 22:00 <nebadon2> new one specs look pretty good
2014-03-19 22:00 <nebadon2> https://www.oculusvr.com/order/
2014-03-19 22:00 <nebadon2> 960x1080 resolution for each eye
2014-03-19 22:03 <nebadon2> oh just realized i pasted wrong URL
2014-03-19 22:03 <nebadon2> http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/19/oculus-rift-gets-a-new-350-developer-kit-which-improves-on-the-crystal-cove-prototype/
2014-03-19 22:16 <Plugh> eek. How much does that thing weigh? Might be a little hard to wear for extended periods of time.
2014-03-19 22:18 <nebadon2> heh ya
2014-03-19 22:18 <nebadon2> i suspect I wouldnt be able to wear it for more than about 5 minutes
2014-03-19 22:18 <nebadon2> i cant even stand wearing over the ear headphones anymore
2014-03-19 22:22 <Plugh> Hm... A game called Flappy Bird was removed from the app store by its creator -> According to an interview with The Verge last week, Dong Nguyen disclosed that the game was making upwards of $50K per day in ad revenue.
2014-03-19 22:22 <Plugh> Apparently he "cannot take this anymore" ?  What a problem to have.
2014-03-19 22:23 <nebadon2> lol ya
2014-03-19 22:34 <lkalif> nebadon2: mine is the original devkit
2014-03-19 22:34 <lkalif> and it's not heavy, weight is not an issue, even though it looks like it
2014-03-19 22:41 <osmantis> Bug #6694:04 llSetKeyframedMotion object is phantom when moveing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6694 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-19 23:10 <osmantis> Bug #7064:04 Copies of linked primitives occasionally persist in region storage 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7064 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-19 23:43 <osmantis> Bug #7065:04 Primitive position randomly deviates by minuscule amounts upon movement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7065 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-19 23:46 <osmantis> Bug #7066:04 Feature Request : Enable users to switch of the in-built dwell module if useing a 3rd party module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7066 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-19 23:49 <osmantis> Bug #7066:04 Feature Request : Enable users to switch of the in-built dwell module if useing a 3rd party module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7066 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-03-19 23:50 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-19 23:51 <osmantis> Bug #7065:04 Primitive position randomly deviates by minuscule amounts upon movement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7065 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-19 23:53 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-19 23:57 <osmantis> Bug #7066:04 Feature Request : Enable users to switch of the in-built dwell module if useing a 3rd party module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7066 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-19 23:59 <osmantis> Bug #7064:04 Copies of linked primitives occasionally persist in region storage 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7064 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-19 23:59 <H-H-H> ok mantis with feature request and patches sent guys :) critiscise away lol
2014-03-20 00:00 <Melanie_T> i alread did
2014-03-20 00:00 <H-H-H> ahh so i see ty Melanie_T
2014-03-20 00:01 <Melanie_T> yw
2014-03-20 00:01 <Melanie_T> it's funny enough i'm aware of all those issues and have fixes for some coing in
2014-03-20 00:01 <Melanie_T> and the dwell one was discussed in chat the other day
2014-03-20 00:01 <Melanie_T> the issues are cause by some code justincc added that persists the dwell value
2014-03-20 00:02 <H-H-H> i know the dwell was as it was me who asked justincc to fix the mysql connector and i was lurking
2014-03-20 00:02 <Melanie_T> he will mitigate that issue, though
2014-03-20 00:02 <Melanie_T> well, dwell was not really designed tobe sim-local
2014-03-20 00:02 <Melanie_T> which is why it had no local storage
2014-03-20 00:03 <Melanie_T> dwell was imperfectly understood
2014-03-20 00:03 <Melanie_T> so someone added a field which was then left unused
2014-03-20 00:03 <Melanie_T> then nothing happened for a long time
2014-03-20 00:04 <Melanie_T> we developed a dwell module for avination's use but it builds on the default rather than replacing it
2014-03-20 00:04 <Melanie_T> with the persistence, we will need to make some minor changes to our module
2014-03-20 00:04 <Melanie_T> nothing worrisome
2014-03-20 00:04 <H-H-H> i was just skimming through mantis and happened to notice the one regarding a dwell module and so thought about it and made one which is how i happened to find those bugs
2014-03-20 00:05 <Melanie_T> that is how opensim grows
2014-03-20 00:05 <Melanie_T> people find something missing and make it :)
2014-03-20 00:05 <H-H-H> i will be releasing it to anyone who wants it to for what its worth 
2014-03-20 00:05 <Melanie_T> why not donate it to core?
2014-03-20 00:05 <Melanie_T> the core module is but a stub
2014-03-20 00:06 <Melanie_T> so a more complete mplementation is welcome
2014-03-20 00:06 <smxy> Stupid question: What's "dwell"? :)
2014-03-20 00:06 <H-H-H> because it is not core worthy as it is a very simple basic module that comunicates via xmlrpc to php which does the heavy lifting as i am yet to try and get my head round making a db layer so it can use opensims internal db system
2014-03-20 00:07 <H-H-H> parcel traffic smxy
2014-03-20 00:07 <Melanie_T> smxy: "Traffic"
2014-03-20 00:07 <smxy> ah
2014-03-20 00:07 <smxy> ty
2014-03-20 00:07 <Melanie_T> why not make it a robust service?
2014-03-20 00:07 <Melanie_T> they are quite simple
2014-03-20 00:08 <Melanie_T> anyway, you could place it on forge.opensimulator.org
2014-03-20 00:08 <Melanie_T> for as long as it requires php that is where it belongs
2014-03-20 00:08 <Melanie_T> it canbe found there and lkalif has started mirroring the forge projects on github
2014-03-20 00:09 <H-H-H> well i was just going to put it on github and maybe do a page for it somewhere but the forge might be a better place for it
2014-03-20 00:09 <Melanie_T> unlike github, the forge is managed by us
2014-03-20 00:09 <Melanie_T> so it's all in one place
2014-03-20 00:10 <Melanie_T> and for people who want git, there is a github mirror, as i said
2014-03-20 00:10 <H-H-H> silly question but does the forge have git extensions now or is it still svn
2014-03-20 00:10 <H-H-H> ahh
2014-03-20 00:10 <Melanie_T> and i might revisit the forge
2014-03-20 00:10 <Melanie_T> make it nicer looking and buy the git stuff for it
2014-03-20 00:10 <Melanie_T> git isn't free
2014-03-20 00:11 <Melanie_T> i know, that's a bad thing
2014-03-20 00:11 <H-H-H> shame as i think that could increase its usage dramatically
2014-03-20 00:11 <Melanie_T> but the git forge module isn't free or wasn't last time I installed the damn thing
2014-03-20 00:11 <velus> how much is it Melanie_T 
2014-03-20 00:12 <H-H-H> I did try setting up a forge on my lan once but it didnt really work so i gave up
2014-03-20 00:13 <Melanie_T> they're still weird. there is no pricing.
2014-03-20 00:13 <Melanie_T> you need to get an assessment from them
2014-03-20 00:13 <Melanie_T> then you probably get pricing under nda
2014-03-20 00:14 <velus> yeah
2014-03-20 00:14 <velus> would it be a one off payment or a monthly
2014-03-20 00:15 <Melanie_T> most companies who do that kind of shtick about priing are 4+ figures/year
2014-03-20 00:15 <velus> yeah
2014-03-20 00:16 <Melanie_T> i do see that debian has a git scm plugin - at no cost
2014-03-20 00:16 <Melanie_T> so i believe opensource has caught up
2014-03-20 00:16 <velus> yeah it does
2014-03-20 00:16 <Melanie_T> i'll revisit this and maybe i can ge forge upgraded
2014-03-20 00:16 <velus> ok
2014-03-20 00:17 <Melanie_T> afk here for now
2014-03-20 00:17 <velus> tyt Melanie_T 
2014-03-20 00:19 <H-H-H> ty for your advice Melanie_T
2014-03-20 00:54 <Misterblue> reading back over the day... my name was maligned several times today :)
2014-03-20 00:56 <nebadon2> hello Misterblue
2014-03-20 00:56 <nebadon2> I know I mentioned your name in regard to the chat issue with varregions
2014-03-20 00:56 <nebadon2> not sure if you are aware of that one or not
2014-03-20 00:56 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION whispers "maptiles"

2014-03-20 00:57 <H-H-H> hey nebadon2 would you care to look at my feature request on mantis if you get a minute ?
2014-03-20 00:58 <nebadon2> sure
2014-03-20 00:58 <H-H-H> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7066
2014-03-20 00:59 <nebadon2> looks good
2014-03-20 00:59 <nebadon2> since justin is touching this area at the moment I would really like him to look over it before its commited if you don't mind
2014-03-20 01:00 <H-H-H> not at all im just after peoples thoughts and comments is all 
2014-03-20 01:01 <nebadon2> ok im pretty sure there is no problem with putting it in, i just dont want to disrupt any changes he may have not commited yet
2014-03-20 01:01 <Plugh> There is a built in Dwell? Is that new since 0.7.6PF?
2014-03-20 01:02 <nebadon2> its new as of like yesterday
2014-03-20 01:02 <Plugh> ok, nice.
2014-03-20 01:02 <velus> what is a dwell
2014-03-20 01:02 <H-H-H> erm actually it has been there ages
2014-03-20 01:02 <nebadon2> well ya true, but i dont think it worked until yesterday?
2014-03-20 01:02 <nebadon2> right?
2014-03-20 01:02 <H-H-H> and it is not a fully functional module just a stub
2014-03-20 01:02 <Plugh> ok
2014-03-20 01:02 <H-H-H> all it does is send a 0 to the biewer
2014-03-20 01:02 <nebadon2> all I really know is justin was touching it yesterday
2014-03-20 01:03 <Plugh> The whole Dwell stat has always been a bit of a mystery as to how useful it is.
2014-03-20 01:03 <H-H-H> no neb that fix justin put in was a bug i found that wont affect the inbuilt module but would and did effect 3rd party modules
2014-03-20 01:03 <nebadon2> ah ok
2014-03-20 01:03 <Plugh> velus: IIRC, it is supposed to be some kind of measure of the number of visitors, or popularity of, a parcel or region.
2014-03-20 01:03 <nebadon2> I saw him touching a bunch of stat stuff yesterday i wasnt sure what he was doing
2014-03-20 01:04 <H-H-H> and this mantis i showed you is a way to fix another bug
2014-03-20 01:04 <velus> ok
2014-03-20 01:04 <H-H-H> fixing bugs i found nebadon2 lol
2014-03-20 01:04 <nebadon2> ok great, thanks man :)
2014-03-20 01:04 <H-H-H> yes dwell is basically parcel traffic
2014-03-20 01:05 <H-H-H> im almost ready to realese my dwell module and melanie suggested i put it on the forge any thoughts on that nebadon2 ?
2014-03-20 01:06 <nebadon2> forge is fine if you dont mind svn
2014-03-20 01:06 <nebadon2> our forge doesnt support git at the moment
2014-03-20 01:06 <H-H-H> well aparently lkalif is working on mirroring them on github
2014-03-20 01:06 <H-H-H> unless i misunderstood what melanie was saying
2014-03-20 01:06 <velus> no your right H-H-H 
2014-03-20 01:08 <H-H-H> and since my module uses php to do the heavy llifting and db stuff melanie suggested the forge
2014-03-20 01:08 <nebadon2> ya forge is fine, there are still active projects there
2014-03-20 01:08 <nebadon2> I am not the biggest fan of forge, its a bit complicating but it works
2014-03-20 01:09 <nebadon2> newer versions are probably nicer by now
2014-03-20 01:10 <H-H-H> or there are probably better themes atleast
2014-03-20 01:10 <velus> im thinking of setting up a git server for a progect i have
2014-03-20 01:11 <Plugh> 
ACTION prefers to stay with svn for his own projects.

2014-03-20 01:11 <velus> not usding git hub but my own git server
2014-03-20 01:12 <lkalif> velus: I recommend using bitbucket. you donøt have to setup anything, and you can have private repositories for free
2014-03-20 01:13 <velus> yeah i know its more well mine and a companies projects and they want a git server of thier own i cant argue with the company lol
2014-03-20 01:13 <H-H-H> i do like git better myself but hey each to thier own
2014-03-20 01:14 <velus> me to H-H-H 
2014-03-20 01:20 <Plugh> I use git because I'm forced to.
2014-03-20 01:21 <velus> when will 0.8 be relased
2014-03-20 01:22 <velus> its nighty night time night all
2014-03-20 01:32 <H-H-H> are there any git folks here that can answer a probably very stupid question ?
2014-03-20 01:34 <H-H-H> if i have a local clone of opensim and make a change and create a patch which gets accepted and commited to core, what happens to the files involved in that patch when i do a git pull ?
2014-03-20 01:36 <Plugh> Depends on how you made the patch. If you make changes to files on your machine and commit to the local repository and provide an am formatted patch, when the patch gets accepted the pull will leave the local files alone other than merging in any additional changes in the remote files.
2014-03-20 01:48 <H-H-H> thanks Plugh
2014-03-20 02:31 <Plugh> yw
2014-03-20 02:31 <velus> Plugh: do you know much about suse studio ?
2014-03-20 02:34 <Plugh> WTF? I've got an instance that is reporting -> Not including stats for network interface 'Loopback Pseudo-Interface 1'
2014-03-20 02:35 <Plugh> suse studio? No. Don't use SUSE.
2014-03-20 02:35 <velus> ok ddamm
2014-03-20 02:36 <Plugh> Doesn't mean I might not be able to help. What is it and what is the problem?
2014-03-20 02:36 <H-H-H> suse studio is actually pretty cool from what little i have tinkered with it
2014-03-20 02:37 <velus> im looking to build a operating system using suse studio for to use on creating vps's for users and wondered if i could have help setting up a os for opensim
2014-03-20 02:37 <velus> so it would have the bare minimum on it but with mysql php and that with a version of opensim on it
2014-03-20 02:38 <velus> H-H-H: mayb e you could help with this 
2014-03-20 02:38 <velus> im hoping to get a server for to have vps with preinstalled opensim on it
2014-03-20 02:39 <H-H-H> welus I have only really tinkered with it without really understanding what I was doing so im probably not the best person
2014-03-20 02:39 <Plugh> I haven't built Linux kernels in a while. I used to do it manually.
2014-03-20 02:39 <velus> with the studio you dont build the kernal as such it uses suse version of linux kernel 
2014-03-20 02:39 <velus> yeah same here H-H-H  
2014-03-20 02:40 <H-H-H> the studi lets you make custom versions of suse useing whatever packages they have
2014-03-20 02:40 <lkalif> something like ubuntu server minimal is under 100mb
2014-03-20 02:40 <H-H-H> studio*
2014-03-20 02:41 <velus> yes lkalif but with suse and you can set it with exactly what you want and ghow
2014-03-20 02:41 <H-H-H> and can fire it up in thier vm and add/change files on the actually system before its compressed into an iso
2014-03-20 02:42 <velus> yes
2014-03-20 02:42 <Melanie_T> opensim and VPS don't get along
2014-03-20 02:42 <velus> sometimes it does 
2014-03-20 02:42 <Melanie_T> it's not either a recommended or supported configuration
2014-03-20 02:42 <Melanie_T> VPS with opensim break under load
2014-03-20 02:42 <velus> depends if its a standalone sim grid
2014-03-20 02:43 <Melanie_T> not suitable for production
2014-03-20 02:43 <Melanie_T> no it dependson nothing
2014-03-20 02:43 <Melanie_T> it doesn't work
2014-03-20 02:43 <Melanie_T> the issue is the high speed timer
2014-03-20 02:43 <Melanie_T> the hypervisor scheduling of VPS makes it so it's not monotonic
2014-03-20 02:43 <velus> monotonic?
2014-03-20 02:43 <Melanie_T> while the speed of the timer over time is correct on the average you get shorter and longer cycles
2014-03-20 02:44 <Melanie_T> mono fails under those conditions
2014-03-20 02:44 <velus> ok
2014-03-20 02:44 <Melanie_T> mono requires all cycles to be exactly the same length ont he high speed timers
2014-03-20 02:45 <Melanie_T> this topic keeps coming up and everyone is told the same
2014-03-20 02:45 <Melanie_T> it's in the wiki and in several FAQs
2014-03-20 02:45 <Melanie_T> but still people try to use VPS with opensim
2014-03-20 02:45 <Melanie_T> it's a sure road to failure
2014-03-20 02:45 <lkalif> it works well enough. never tried "production" env though
2014-03-20 02:46 <Melanie_T> the issue is that the mono scheduler apparently tries to estimate the amount of code that can be scheduled before the next timer tick
2014-03-20 02:46 <Melanie_T> if you use less than 100% of a core, it has breathing room and the VPS works
2014-03-20 02:46 <Melanie_T> but if a single opensim process uses 100% of a core
2014-03-20 02:46 <Melanie_T> it comes up short and the tick is lost
2014-03-20 02:46 <Melanie_T> leading to moni-internal troubles with things like the GC
2014-03-20 02:47 <Melanie_T> it causes freezes, native crashes, lock ups
2014-03-20 02:47 <Melanie_T> mono-internal*
2014-03-20 02:47 <Melanie_T> for standalones with few visitors, for playing around, that works fine
2014-03-20 02:48 <Melanie_T> but velus is building a public grid
2014-03-20 02:48 <Melanie_T> so i'd be ill-advising him if i would not warn of mono in linux VPS
2014-03-20 02:48 <velus> the suse would not be for the grid 
2014-03-20 02:48 <Melanie_T> it's not stable
2014-03-20 02:48 <velus> it would be for a side project 
2014-03-20 02:48 <Melanie_T> then just imagine i didn't say anything
2014-03-20 02:48 <Melanie_T> or take what i said on board for the grid anyway
2014-03-20 02:48 <Melanie_T> :)
2014-03-20 02:49 <velus> and well i may grab one for my self as a testing standalone for my own internal productions of things
2014-03-20 02:49 <Melanie_T> as long as you don't get into a situation where cpu may get maxed for a longer period of time without you having control over it, it will work
2014-03-20 02:51 <velus> im getting a few servers donated to me from a company that will be co hosting them too so was going to use them as a bit of extra revenue by offering vps's with openism preloaded on them for standalones and that, at a cheap price, i would also be renting out the servers too if people want them, i was shocked when i had the company turn round and "give" me the servers and colocation for free for 3 years 
2014-03-20 02:51 <dahlia> I can set up opensim on a fresh debian install in about an hour, only takes that long because I dont always watch it
2014-03-20 02:52 <dahlia> would go a lot faster if I didnt compile
2014-03-20 02:52 <Melanie_T> well, if it moves, compile it :)
2014-03-20 02:52 <dahlia> no need for an appliance
2014-03-20 02:52 <velus> and then after 3 years i only pay �250 per month for the colocation after that, and thats fro 2 full racks full of servers of didffernt sizes
2014-03-20 02:53 <dahlia> I also use VPS, with varying performance. Yes it does run better on bare hardware.
2014-03-20 02:53 <velus> but then i did do some work for them last year when i was down there end when a matre worked for them
2014-03-20 02:53 <dahlia> Kitely uses amazon which is all VPS
2014-03-20 02:54 <Melanie_T> they may have different timers
2014-03-20 02:54 <velus> the system that will host my vps will be a pure dedicated server of my own not a vps to host a vps software 
2014-03-20 02:54 <Melanie_T> also, kitely is not a mass-population place
2014-03-20 02:54 <Melanie_T> you don't find many sims on there with more than 10 avs on them
2014-03-20 02:54 <dahlia> Ive had better performance running OpenSim on OpenVZ but OpenVZ is such a PITA to work with
2014-03-20 02:54 <velus> but my gird will be fully dedicated systems 
2014-03-20 02:55 <dahlia> KVM is probably the best virtualization tech for linux hosts, I'd use it over others
2014-03-20 02:56 <dahlia> if you're all dedicated, stay away from VPS
2014-03-20 02:57 <dahlia> anyway OpenSim running on Virtualbox on multi-core windows host seems to work pretty well
2014-03-20 02:58 <nebadon2> there is no reason a virtual machine wont run well as long as the base operating system is setup properly and the hardware is not overloaded
2014-03-20 02:58 <nebadon2> I use them all the time for testing
2014-03-20 02:58 <dahlia> depends
2014-03-20 02:58 <nebadon2> I had 17 avatars logged into a region running on vps
2014-03-20 02:58 <nebadon2> I think i had Art City oar loaded at the time
2014-03-20 02:58 <dahlia> if the virtualization layer restricts you to a single core... you will probably get pretty bad performance
2014-03-20 02:58 <velus> my grid will be but when i was given 84 rack unit with 84 servers on them i dont need 84 servers for my gird so will be selling vps's and dedicated servers thats why i want vps 
2014-03-20 02:59 <dahlia> opensim is pretty thread heavy
2014-03-20 02:59 <nebadon2> ya but if its configured properly and not over loaded it will run just find
2014-03-20 02:59 <dahlia> but I usually give 3-4 cores to a virtualbox instance
2014-03-20 02:59 <nebadon2> find=fine*
2014-03-20 03:00 <velus> i thinks i opens a can of worms
2014-03-20 03:01 <dahlia> I have a region on osgrid running on a cheapie digital ocean instance, the performance is abysmal (lag spikes) but it seems pretty reliable
2014-03-20 03:03 <nebadon2> it definitely helps to have Intel Virtualization (VT-x) support for your cpu
2014-03-20 03:04 <velus> what about amd?
2014-03-20 03:04 <dahlia> assuming you have intel cpu
2014-03-20 03:04 <nebadon2> its not always enabled by default, most of the motherboards I have turn it off by default
2014-03-20 03:04 <nebadon2> ya of course lol
2014-03-20 03:04 <velus> lol i have made sure its on 
2014-03-20 03:04 <nebadon2> I cant say much about amd, i generally only use intel
2014-03-20 03:04 <velus> the datacenter is currently doing all the work as i speak
2014-03-20 03:05 <dahlia> ya thats a bios setting IIRC
2014-03-20 03:05 <velus> what dose IIRC mean
2014-03-20 03:05 <dahlia> if I recall correctly
2014-03-20 03:05 <velus> ok
2014-03-20 03:06 <dahlia> anyway, ya if you want lots of scripts and avatars, VPS < bare hardware
2014-03-20 03:06 <dahlia> of you have a lightly loaded region, no biggie :)
2014-03-20 03:07 <nebadon2> however I can tell you for certain if you say had 24+ cpus in your server
2014-03-20 03:07 <nebadon2> mono does not run very good with too much hardware available
2014-03-20 03:07 <dahlia> I'd ask the mono peeps about that :P
2014-03-20 03:07 <nebadon2> I have a server with dual Hexa Xeons for 24 virtual cores, and mono can be problematic
2014-03-20 03:07 <velus> ok 
2014-03-20 03:08 <nebadon2> in that case you could benefit from running a machine like that with several virtual machines
2014-03-20 03:08 <dahlia> well virtual cores dont necessarily equate to real cores
2014-03-20 03:08 <nebadon2> and quite possibly make better use of the hardware that way
2014-03-20 03:08 <nebadon2> ya in that machine its 12 cpu cores
2014-03-20 03:08 <nebadon2> its still gets wierd after 8 cores with mono
2014-03-20 03:09 <dahlia> its like 12 cores that, given proper circumstances, might achieve 24 core performance
2014-03-20 03:09 <nebadon2> ya
2014-03-20 03:09 <dahlia> but those circumstances are usually not there
2014-03-20 03:10 <nebadon2> I have done benchmarking on my Core2Quad server with HT disabled vs Enabled
2014-03-20 03:10 <nebadon2> all benchmarks got about 60% faster with HT enabled
2014-03-20 03:10 <dahlia> not bad
2014-03-20 03:11 <dahlia> run several different ones simultaneously :)
2014-03-20 03:11 <AllenKerensky> if the threads are related and can steal each others cache and pipeline data, they will perform better on HT that totally unrelated threads
2014-03-20 03:12 <dahlia> well thats true for non-HT also if all cores share the same caches
2014-03-20 03:13 <nebadon2> ya it really depends on what cpu you have
2014-03-20 03:13 <nebadon2> I think my CPU had 12 or 16mb cache i cant remember now
2014-03-20 03:13 <nebadon2> it was a lot
2014-03-20 03:13 <nebadon2> too many damn servers, i cant even remember now
2014-03-20 03:13 <dahlia> lol
2014-03-20 03:13 <velus> lol
2014-03-20 03:14 <dahlia> also I think server grade XEONs usually has a lot more cache than consumer grade CPUs
2014-03-20 03:14 <velus> yeah they do 
2014-03-20 03:15 <H-H-H> hmmm how can i disable scripts running on a region from the db lol or robust console
2014-03-20 03:15 <nebadon2> i dont think you can do either of those
2014-03-20 03:16 <H-H-H> cant i change the flag in the db for the parcel ?
2014-03-20 03:16 <nebadon2> actually
2014-03-20 03:16 <nebadon2> scripts stop 
2014-03-20 03:16 <nebadon2> on console, I have never actually done that though
2014-03-20 03:16 <nebadon2> no idea if it will work, i suppose it should
2014-03-20 03:16 <velus> there is a bit in the db ill look it up
2014-03-20 03:17 <H-H-H> i have a rouge script that is crashing my opensim on boot 
2014-03-20 03:17 <nebadon2> if you write to database your going to have to restart the region
2014-03-20 03:17 <nebadon2> it wont get updates made directly to the database
2014-03-20 03:17 <dahlia> I think you can disable scripts in OpenSim.ini but I dont remember exactly where
2014-03-20 03:17 <H-H-H> neb i cant run opensim to start the region in the first place
2014-03-20 03:18 <Dev_Random> temporarily rename the scripting DLL ?
2014-03-20 03:18 <dahlia> probably in [XEngine} somewhere
2014-03-20 03:18 <nebadon2> oh i see so ya top of [Xengine]
2014-03-20 03:18 <nebadon2> i thought you meant disable it while its running
2014-03-20 03:18 <H-H-H> i have a rouge script causeing a timeout on a thread and then crashing opensim
2014-03-20 03:18 <velus> H-H-H: in db in region settings you have disable scripts try that
2014-03-20 03:18 <Melanie_T> if it crashes anyway the database bit will serve
2014-03-20 03:19 <Melanie_T> it's in regionsettings
2014-03-20 03:19 <H-H-H> i know which script it is just need to switch it of lol till i can log inworld and change it
2014-03-20 03:19 <ssm2017[Away]> hello nebadon2 : wiki is down
2014-03-20 03:19 <Melanie_T> set the bit, start it
2014-03-20 03:19 <nebadon2> sigh ok
2014-03-20 03:19 <Melanie_T> you can reset it from in world, in the estate dialog, once you've killed the script
2014-03-20 03:19 <Melanie_T> neb, stop
2014-03-20 03:19 <Melanie_T> don't touch the server
2014-03-20 03:19 <Melanie_T> i want to do forensics
2014-03-20 03:20 <velus> go Melanie_T go
2014-03-20 03:20 <nebadon2> shit
2014-03-20 03:20 <nebadon2> i already restarted it sorry
2014-03-20 03:20 <Melanie_T> damn
2014-03-20 03:20 <dahlia> I'd offer Melanie_T a motivational virtual cookie but they are all stuck in mysql :(
2014-03-20 03:20 <H-H-H> nebadon2 thanks and also thanks for all yuor ideas i managed to get opensim to stay stable for long enough to type stop scripts and it worked nicely
2014-03-20 03:21 <Melanie_T> don't when i'm around
2014-03-20 03:21 <nebadon2> ok
2014-03-20 03:21 <nebadon2> sorry about that
2014-03-20 03:21 <Melanie_T> we're never gong to find the cause of we just keep restarting it
2014-03-20 03:21 <Melanie_T> opensimulator.org is not that mission critical or high volume
2014-03-20 03:21 <nebadon2> quick on the draw lol
2014-03-20 03:21 <Melanie_T> it can be down for an hour while i chase bogies
2014-03-20 03:21 <nebadon2> ya, ive looked at it for hours and IM stumped
2014-03-20 03:21 <Melanie_T> well, that's you
2014-03-20 03:21 <Melanie_T> four eyes are better than two
2014-03-20 03:22 <Melanie_T> and i don't mean glasses
2014-03-20 03:22 <velus> you might still be able to Melanie_T there is always a bit trail somewhere you just need to know what to look for and how to look for it
2014-03-20 03:22 <Melanie_T> velus: nope
2014-03-20 03:22 <nebadon2> ya I am all for it, justin has looked too
2014-03-20 03:22 <Melanie_T> the logs are no help
2014-03-20 03:22 <Melanie_T> i need it _in that state_
2014-03-20 03:22 <dahlia> apache logs?
2014-03-20 03:22 <Melanie_T> and no one else messing with it
2014-03-20 03:22 <nebadon2> ya its so strange Ive looked at all the logs too
2014-03-20 03:22 <Melanie_T> no
2014-03-20 03:22 <Melanie_T> it's mysql
2014-03-20 03:22 <nebadon2> mysql, apache, messages
2014-03-20 03:23 <nebadon2> nothing jumps out at me
2014-03-20 03:23 <Melanie_T> i need to do diagnostics on the running process while it's hung
2014-03-20 03:23 <velus> yeah your right net logs arnt any help but there is other info you can lok at and no im not asking to mess with it 
2014-03-20 03:23 <dahlia> yes but if its bots apache logs would show it
2014-03-20 03:23 <Melanie_T> point is
2014-03-20 03:23 <Melanie_T> even if it were a fullscale switchport-plugging ddos of the first order
2014-03-20 03:23 <Melanie_T> it should clog the pipes
2014-03-20 03:23 <Melanie_T> but NOT Hang mysql
2014-03-20 03:23 <Melanie_T> ever
2014-03-20 03:23 <nebadon2> ya
2014-03-20 03:24 <velus> your right 
2014-03-20 03:24 <dahlia> ya Id think apache would die first
2014-03-20 03:24 <Melanie_T> so, i need it in that state
2014-03-20 03:24 <Melanie_T> and no interference
2014-03-20 03:24 <Melanie_T> so that i can be sure that every change i observe is of my own making
2014-03-20 03:25 <Melanie_T> and i believe the mysql root password file needs to be updated
2014-03-20 03:25 <Melanie_T> someone changed it
2014-03-20 03:25 <nebadon2> ya justin just changed it
2014-03-20 03:25 <dahlia> not me, I dont even know it
2014-03-20 03:25 <nebadon2> because no one knew it
2014-03-20 03:25 <Melanie_T> it's in a file
2014-03-20 03:25 <Melanie_T> hidden in a certain place
2014-03-20 03:25 <Melanie_T> well it used to be
2014-03-20 03:25 <Melanie_T> now the file doesn't match anymore
2014-03-20 03:25 <nebadon2> ok he had asked on other channel several times about it
2014-03-20 03:25 <Melanie_T> i wasnt on
2014-03-20 03:25 <velus> best way Melanie_T when i did it support for this one company when ever they got a hicky hang on certaioln things i looked into it and had no one else touch it let alone look at it 
2014-03-20 03:26 <Melanie_T> precisely
2014-03-20 03:26 <Melanie_T> too many chefs
2014-03-20 03:26 <Melanie_T> not good
2014-03-20 03:26 <velus> i know 
2014-03-20 03:27 <lkalif> single person of failure, also not good.
2014-03-20 03:27 <lkalif> redundancy, good
2014-03-20 03:27 <velus> i used to start with three places to look apachee logs mysql loggs and php logs and if they show nothing i look at other stuff, most of which people dont know about
2014-03-20 03:28 <Melanie_T> lkalif: i'm not the only one with root on that box
2014-03-20 03:28 <Melanie_T> but you can't have more than one person at a time troubleshooting
2014-03-20 03:28 <Melanie_T> they tried
2014-03-20 03:28 <Melanie_T> now it's my turn
2014-03-20 03:28 <lkalif> it works well enough. never tried "production" env though
2014-03-20 03:28 <nebadon2> well at the rate its been needing to be restarted seems to be increasing
2014-03-20 03:28 <lkalif> ah
2014-03-20 03:28 <lkalif> my mouse is dying
2014-03-20 03:29 <lkalif> not concurrently, no
2014-03-20 03:29 <nebadon2> it shouldnt be long before it croaks again
2014-03-20 03:29 <lkalif> (the scroll wheel randomly sends the signal, so it picks a line from history and sends to irc)
2014-03-20 03:30 <Melanie_T> the mouse i just tossed out was double-clickign when i single-clicked
2014-03-20 03:30 <Melanie_T> mechanical parts
2014-03-20 03:30 <Melanie_T> they break
2014-03-20 03:30 <lkalif> yeah
2014-03-20 03:30 <nebadon2> ya i just tossed one with the roller wheel would randomly click 3rd mouse button as i scrolled
2014-03-20 03:30 <nebadon2> was so infurating
2014-03-20 03:30 <Melanie_T> i keep 2 mice of my preferred type around, brand new ones, so i always have a replacement. vital equipment, those
2014-03-20 03:30 <lkalif> that line "it works well.. " above was sent randomly by my mouse, and my hand was nowhere near it
2014-03-20 03:31 <Melanie_T> yes. and i was here when you said it, i recognized it as a repost
2014-03-20 03:31 <Melanie_T> so i did ignore it for this convo
2014-03-20 03:31 <lkalif> you have a problem with apache randomly locking up?
2014-03-20 03:31 <Melanie_T> no
2014-03-20 03:31 <Melanie_T> mysql stops serving requests
2014-03-20 03:32 <Melanie_T> without anything apparent in logs
2014-03-20 03:32 <lkalif> hmm
2014-03-20 03:32 <Melanie_T> it started with a mediawiki update
2014-03-20 03:32 <lkalif> are persistant connections enabled in php.ini? or in config files
2014-03-20 03:32 <Melanie_T> and persisted across a mysql update, i believe
2014-03-20 03:33 <lkalif> for mediawiki it's localconfig.php iirc
2014-03-20 03:33 <Melanie_T> mysqli no longer supports mysql_pconnect semantics
2014-03-20 03:33 <lkalif> I'd start by disabling those
2014-03-20 03:33 <Melanie_T> and i don't want any config changes right now
2014-03-20 03:33 <Melanie_T> without logged evidence, that would be guesswork
2014-03-20 03:34 <Melanie_T> so i need an opp to poke the stuck process with a sharp stick
2014-03-20 03:34 <Melanie_T> hoping to get more info out of it
2014-03-20 03:34 <velus> Melanie_T: what does the php log say? the php log not apache
2014-03-20 03:34 <Melanie_T> if i fail, we can still do blind config changes
2014-03-20 03:34 <Melanie_T> php logging is set to log to apache
2014-03-20 03:34 <Melanie_T> there is no php log
2014-03-20 03:34 <Melanie_T> this is module, not fastcgi
2014-03-20 03:36 <velus> ok
2014-03-20 03:41 <H-H-H> back the forge doesnt like me :( i signed up for an account and clicked the link in the email to verify but when i click login on the account verification page it just says could not get user :|
2014-03-20 03:46 <H-H-H> hmmmmm ok i huess users cant sign up to forge
2014-03-20 03:46 <H-H-H> guess*
2014-03-20 03:46 <Melanie_T> hmmm
2014-03-20 03:46 <Melanie_T> i will check that when i check into a reinstall
2014-03-20 03:46 <Melanie_T> it used to work but things have a habit of breaking when not looked after
2014-03-20 03:46 <nebadon2> would it be hard to upgrade or add git support to it?
2014-03-20 03:47 <Melanie_T> that is the plan, neb
2014-03-20 03:47 <nebadon2> great
2014-03-20 03:47 <Melanie_T> there is now a free git plugin
2014-03-20 03:47 <H-H-H> it says my user doesnt exist :|
2014-03-20 03:47 <Melanie_T> maybe you didn't click some final link or another?
2014-03-20 03:48 <H-H-H> it sends you a link for verification via email to a webpage where u enter the username and pass and click login to complete verification
2014-03-20 03:49 <H-H-H> when i do enter the correct username and pass it just says Could not get user
2014-03-20 03:49 <H-H-H> even trying the lost password system says my user does not exist
2014-03-20 03:50 <H-H-H> yet when i try signing up again with same username pass email it says email is in use and so is user name
2014-03-20 03:50 <Melanie_T> Having problems logging in or activating your account?
2014-03-20 03:50 <Melanie_T> Your username is case sensitive and fully lowercase (yes, we know this is annoying, no we cant fix it).
2014-03-20 03:50 <Melanie_T> did you read this?
2014-03-20 03:50 <H-H-H> yes
2014-03-20 03:50 <Melanie_T> even if you made an uppercase user name
2014-03-20 03:50 <Melanie_T> you need to enter it in lowercase
2014-03-20 03:50 <Melanie_T> what user name did you use?
2014-03-20 03:51 <H-H-H> oh sgit lol sorry and ty for pointing it out i had a capital in it :|
2014-03-20 03:53 <Melanie_T> hmmm
2014-03-20 03:53 <Melanie_T> this version assumes a mysql versiont hat understand integer ~~* integer
2014-03-20 03:53 <Melanie_T> the ILIKE predicate
2014-03-20 03:53 <Melanie_T> the system install doesn't though
2014-03-20 03:53 <Melanie_T> i need to fix this
2014-03-20 03:59 <lkalif> i din't think mysql knows ilike
2014-03-20 03:59 <lkalif> it's all ilike for it unless you specify field as "binary"
2014-03-20 03:59 <H-H-H> i guess im getting permision denied when trying to view my project because it hasnt been aproved yet ?
2014-03-20 04:00 <Melanie_T> H-H-H: if you don't have a valid user, you can't have a project
2014-03-20 04:00 <Melanie_T> ok...
2014-03-20 04:00 <Melanie_T> there are precisely TWO living projects on that firge
2014-03-20 04:00 <lkalif> H-H-H: it's much easier just to put it on bitbucket or github
2014-03-20 04:00 <Melanie_T> forge*
2014-03-20 04:00 <Melanie_T> so i will do a full upgrade etc without regard to these projects
2014-03-20 04:00 <dahlia> 2? I have one of them
2014-03-20 04:00 <Melanie_T> then it will work again
2014-03-20 04:00 <H-H-H> i solved the user problem Melanie_T it was a capital i didnt change in my username
2014-03-20 04:01 <Melanie_T> and all SVN can then be pulled in using svn-git
2014-03-20 04:01 <Melanie_T> aahhh
2014-03-20 04:01 <Melanie_T> ok
2014-03-20 04:01 <dahlia> I shoudl move it to github tho
2014-03-20 04:01 <Melanie_T> what is your project name?
2014-03-20 04:01 <dahlia> mine?
2014-03-20 04:01 <H-H-H> the unixname or ?
2014-03-20 04:01 <Melanie_T> H-H-H: 
2014-03-20 04:01 <Melanie_T> i believe the unixname will do
2014-03-20 04:02 <H-H-H> BarosonixDwellModule is the full name
2014-03-20 04:02 <H-H-H> dwellmodule is the unixname
2014-03-20 04:02 <dahlia> I see email just popped up asking for approval
2014-03-20 04:04 <Melanie_T> why do you get those now?
2014-03-20 04:04 <Melanie_T> they used to come to me
2014-03-20 04:04 <Melanie_T> did you change that?
2014-03-20 04:04 <lkalif> how dare you!
2014-03-20 04:05 <dahlia> Ive always got them
2014-03-20 04:06 <dahlia> for years 
2014-03-20 04:06 <Melanie_T> k
2014-03-20 04:06 <dahlia> ever since Adam set it up
2014-03-20 04:06 <H-H-H> lkalif it is allready on github but i need to finish updating it but i thought forge would be a good place for it from an opensim point of view 
2014-03-20 04:06 <Melanie_T> ok
2014-03-20 04:06 <Melanie_T> that was the missing piece
2014-03-20 04:06 <Melanie_T> i took over his configs
2014-03-20 04:06 <Melanie_T> so you address is in there
2014-03-20 04:06 <dahlia> should I approve it? or do you want to?
2014-03-20 04:06 <Melanie_T> but i finally found the approve link
2014-03-20 04:06 <Melanie_T> and approved it
2014-03-20 04:06 <dahlia> k
2014-03-20 04:07 <H-H-H> Thanks guys :)
2014-03-20 04:07 <lkalif> H-H-H: forge is a horrible place for hosting projects if you ask me.
2014-03-20 04:07 <dahlia> ya use github like everyone else
2014-03-20 04:07 <lkalif> every time i have to checkout primmesher i have to prepare mentally for the torture
2014-03-20 04:07 <dahlia> lol
2014-03-20 04:07 <Melanie_T> lkalif: we will have git on forge soon
2014-03-20 04:07 <Melanie_T> then you just use it as upstream
2014-03-20 04:08 <Melanie_T> and work on github if you're so inclined
2014-03-20 04:08 <H-H-H> my project will be on both
2014-03-20 04:08 <Melanie_T> the use of forge is to have a central, searchable repository of approved projects
2014-03-20 04:08 <dahlia> Im not a big github fan either but at least it saves us the effort to maintain forge
2014-03-20 04:09 <Melanie_T> trying to keep track of gitbug based projects' evolution is like herding fleas
2014-03-20 04:09 <Melanie_T> erm
2014-03-20 04:09 <Melanie_T> github
2014-03-20 04:09 <dahlia> lol
2014-03-20 04:09 <lkalif> you can create github or bitbucket team
2014-03-20 04:10 <H-H-H> plus i kinda like the way the forge looks altho i do prefer the way git works
2014-03-20 04:10 <H-H-H> 
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2014-03-20 04:10 <Melanie_T> i'm very much opposed to using 3rd party code warehouses. at some point, they may be hacked, die, run out of funds, be bought my microsoft... whatever cause would make them unavailable or unpalatable
2014-03-20 04:10 <Melanie_T> mirroring there for ease of access is good
2014-03-20 04:10 <dahlia> I think I like git better than svn even though I'm still a git n00b
2014-03-20 04:10 <Melanie_T> but the authoritative repo should be elsewhere
2014-03-20 04:10 <Melanie_T> git is better
2014-03-20 04:11 <Melanie_T> it' merging and branching is vastly superior
2014-03-20 04:11 <lkalif> this is what happens you let paranoid people run the project...
2014-03-20 04:11 <Plugh> Its also good at letting you lose changes.
2014-03-20 04:11 <Melanie_T> git can effortlessly merge stuff svn chokes and dies on
2014-03-20 04:11 <dahlia> errrr... I believe we went to git *long before* libomv did :P
2014-03-20 04:12 <Melanie_T> lkalif's issue doesn't appear to be svn ./. git
2014-03-20 04:12 <Melanie_T> but rather self-hosting ./. code warehouses
2014-03-20 04:12 <dahlia> we mirror
2014-03-20 04:12 <Melanie_T> at least it was that last time
2014-03-20 04:12 <lkalif> my issue is letting metnal illness ecliplse pragmatic decision making
2014-03-20 04:13 <dahlia> lkalif:  and how are you qualified to determine "metnal illness"?
2014-03-20 04:13 <Melanie_T> well, it's generally accepted that the mentally ill, when running out of arguments, will resort to personal attacks
2014-03-20 04:13 <lkalif> benefits of using something like github or bitbucket are tanglible. ease of contribution, management, uptime
2014-03-20 04:13 <nebadon2> lol
2014-03-20 04:14 <lkalif> downsides of bitbucket and github are... what? possibility of some future consipiracy to enslave Melanie_T?
2014-03-20 04:14 <velus> lol im metally ill and i dont do personal attacs lol 
2014-03-20 04:14 <H-H-H> it wasnt me nebadon2 honest :|
2014-03-20 04:14 <Melanie_T> lkalif seems to have an issue with us wanting, and having voted, to retain control
2014-03-20 04:14 <lkalif> Melanie_T: if by "us" you mean you, sure
2014-03-20 04:14 <velus> yep but we should maintian control 
2014-03-20 04:16 <nebadon2> I personally don't suffer from mental illness, i quite enjoy it.. :P
2014-03-20 04:16 <lkalif> dahlia: can you make enumerate some pragmatic reasons why own server is prefered over something like github or bitbucket?
2014-03-20 04:16 <lkalif> i can list many downsides
2014-03-20 04:16 <velus> lol i didnt say i suffer it i just said im metally ill lol 
2014-03-20 04:17 <velus> own server: you control all projects aprove and vet them your self
2014-03-20 04:17 <dahlia> lkalif: I could probably search thru all the old core email on the discussion, but, the fact remains that we have live updated mirrors
2014-03-20 04:17 <dahlia> there is no conspiracy to deny anyone access
2014-03-20 04:17 <diva> the older I get, the more I like decentralization. RThe less we have on those Silicon Valley hipster kids, the better
2014-03-20 04:18 <diva> I'm actually thinking in moving my code away from github and install gitlab on my server
2014-03-20 04:18 <velus> ownserver: if the company of the "all in one hoster" like github goes bust bought out changes temrs your not affected 
2014-03-20 04:19 <dahlia> whats gitlab?
2014-03-20 04:19 <Melanie_T> github for the masses
2014-03-20 04:19 <dahlia> ah
2014-03-20 04:19 <Melanie_T> it's pretty good
2014-03-20 04:19 <diva> it's a nice front end for git that looks like github
2014-03-20 04:19 <Melanie_T> might be better than forge but i have to research
2014-03-20 04:19 <diva> it's open source too
2014-03-20 04:19 <lkalif> dahlia: https://git.streamgrid.net/singularity/Singularity
2014-03-20 04:19 <Melanie_T> it needs to be easy to use, familiar to people
2014-03-20 04:19 <dahlia> all I care about is that its spread around
2014-03-20 04:19 <lkalif> dahlia: sort of "github on your own server"
2014-03-20 04:19 <nebadon2> I dont think any of us would actually be here working on opensim if we all didnt enjoy hosting our own services lol
2014-03-20 04:20 <velus> Melanie_T: it is easy to use its near exact clone of github but opensource
2014-03-20 04:20 <lkalif> So I heard no pragmatic resons for having own server
2014-03-20 04:20 <velus> and customisable too
2014-03-20 04:20 <Melanie_T> velus: what it needs, for us, is access control, ssh key support, and submission/approval for new projects/code
2014-03-20 04:20 <velus> prgamatic?
2014-03-20 04:21 <velus> im sure id odes have that
2014-03-20 04:21 <velus> its manily used for private repos
2014-03-20 04:21 <dahlia> I've spent too many years inside for-profit corporations to trust them :) I just want it spread around
2014-03-20 04:21 <Melanie_T> since we cannot endorse grid-specific or grid-promoting projects like people keep trying to make on forge. much less those projects intending to be just repositories of pirated content.
2014-03-20 04:21 <lkalif> lol
2014-03-20 04:22 <Melanie_T> whatever we make available under the opensimulator name needs to be vetted
2014-03-20 04:23 <lkalif> Anyway, H-H-H, if you want people to actually browse your code, download and test stuff, put it on github
2014-03-20 04:23 <diva> lkalif: keeping content away from Silicon Valley hipster kids is a good pragmatic justification for me! I'm completely fed up with being part of those vultures' products. We need to take the Internet back
2014-03-20 04:23 <lkalif> that's not pragmatic
2014-03-20 04:23 <dahlia> YAY lets disconnect Silicon Valley!!! :D
2014-03-20 04:24 <lkalif> that's touchy-feely I don't like them bastards
2014-03-20 04:24 <dahlia> that would be a blast
2014-03-20 04:24 <H-H-H> right well its late so im going to bed, thanks for all your help guys :)
2014-03-20 04:24 <dahlia> CUT THE CORD NAO!!! :D
2014-03-20 04:24 <diva> I don't have anything against them. Just don't want to be part of their products by means of licking the honey they put out
2014-03-20 04:24 <Melanie_T> our repos (forge or whatever) are like the play store, github is like sideloading. no quality control
2014-03-20 04:24 <dahlia> start with facebook
2014-03-20 04:25 <lkalif> diva: I guess you are going to stop using Google too
2014-03-20 04:25 <lkalif> those hipsters
2014-03-20 04:25 <diva> dahlia one of these days I will get out of Facebook! :)
2014-03-20 04:25 <dahlia> lol
2014-03-20 04:25 <lkalif> "I can stop at any time!"
2014-03-20 04:25 <diva> yeah :)
2014-03-20 04:25 <dahlia> diva: step 1: admit you have a problem 
2014-03-20 04:26 <diva> I do! I've done step 2. Now I just need to do step 2.
2014-03-20 04:26 <diva> I actually downloaded all my FB history a few months back
2014-03-20 04:26 <diva> I was going to install what's-its-name on my server
2014-03-20 04:26 <dahlia> heh
2014-03-20 04:26 <diva> that p2p facebook thing
2014-03-20 04:27 <dahlia> Im not sure I even remember my password
2014-03-20 04:27 <lkalif> But to be serious for a moment. I think Opensource could use wider developer base. And I seriously think errecting barriers to contributions by having archaing contribution workflows is detremental to the project.
2014-03-20 04:27 <lkalif> Otherwise I wouldn't be commenting on this.
2014-03-20 04:27 <lkalif> Opensource -> sim
2014-03-20 04:27 <Melanie_T> lkalif: in this case, oversight over contribution is our stated goal
2014-03-20 04:27 <diva> it would be nice to have gitlab instead of raw git, that's true
2014-03-20 04:28 <diva> but other than that, I don't see bein on github that much of a benefit
2014-03-20 04:28 <dahlia> lkalif: the only barriers are your own perception. Any project can approve or deny pull requests, github or not
2014-03-20 04:28 <lkalif> gitlab cannot handle opensim,I tried
2014-03-20 04:28 <diva> you did?
2014-03-20 04:28 <Melanie_T> oh?
2014-03-20 04:28 <diva> what did you find out?
2014-03-20 04:28 <Melanie_T> did it bomb?
2014-03-20 04:28 <lkalif> it dies od 25k tags
2014-03-20 04:28 <Melanie_T> even viewgit handles it and it's way older
2014-03-20 04:28 <Melanie_T> aah yes those darn tags
2014-03-20 04:29 <lkalif> the link i posted above for singularity git is demo gitlab i created
2014-03-20 04:29 <nebadon2> Attlassian assured me they were going to fix it
2014-03-20 04:29 <nebadon2> when I played them against github lol
2014-03-20 04:29 <Melanie_T> lol
2014-03-20 04:29 <Melanie_T> atlassian
2014-03-20 04:29 <Melanie_T> so it will become payware i suppose
2014-03-20 04:29 <lkalif> https://git.streamgrid.net/singularity/Singularity
2014-03-20 04:29 <Melanie_T> like jira
2014-03-20 04:29 <dahlia> is gitlab atlassian?
2014-03-20 04:29 <Melanie_T> at some point?
2014-03-20 04:29 <nebadon2> no bitbucket is
2014-03-20 04:29 <diva> they have paid versions and hosted versions
2014-03-20 04:29 <nebadon2> github works with with no limit on tags
2014-03-20 04:29 <lkalif> no gitlab is opesource written in rails
2014-03-20 04:30 <nebadon2> eww
2014-03-20 04:30 <diva> lkalif is that gitlab?
2014-03-20 04:30 <lkalif> yes
2014-03-20 04:30 <nebadon2> rails==yuck
2014-03-20 04:30 <diva> that look niiiice
2014-03-20 04:30 <dahlia> rails? is it possible to write non-boilerplate sites in rails?
2014-03-20 04:31 <lkalif> diva: one-click forking, ssh keys, the whole lot
2014-03-20 04:31 <Melanie_T> a quick check shows that for the code browsing, it has everything i like on github
2014-03-20 04:31 <Melanie_T> the organization and broswing features seem a very close match
2014-03-20 04:31 <nebadon2> so gitlab isnt free?
2014-03-20 04:31 <lkalif> it's free
2014-03-20 04:31 <nebadon2> hmm
2014-03-20 04:31 <velus> its a clone of github but with more securtiy on who can poist and how to aprove
2014-03-20 04:31 <lkalif> the one I have installed there is free
2014-03-20 04:31 <diva> yes, when I found it I also liked it a lot. We should try to make it work for us
2014-03-20 04:31 <lkalif> you can't with 25k tags
2014-03-20 04:32 <nebadon2> https://www.gitlab.com/subscription/
2014-03-20 04:32 <lkalif> it's just keels over and dies
2014-03-20 04:32 <Melanie_T> i believe we can export those tags in a map
2014-03-20 04:32 <diva> do we have 25k tags? what on earth?
2014-03-20 04:32 <Melanie_T> for those who care
2014-03-20 04:32 <Melanie_T> and delete all but the last 2k
2014-03-20 04:32 <nebadon2> that would be good
2014-03-20 04:32 <Melanie_T> diva: at one point a tag generator was installed
2014-03-20 04:32 <lkalif> nebadon2: it's sort of like wordpress. there is free code everyone can install, and there is commercially supported one
2014-03-20 04:32 <nebadon2> tags older than that are pretty useless
2014-03-20 04:32 <Melanie_T> it tags all commits with a monotonically increasing integer
2014-03-20 04:32 <nebadon2> ah ok ya thats typical
2014-03-20 04:32 <nebadon2> i just did not see any links to download a free one
2014-03-20 04:32 <dahlia> I think it was nice when we had people around who would administrate stuff like that but now it seems to take people away from development
2014-03-20 04:32 <velus> nebadon2: thats for a they host it gitlab but a you host it is free
2014-03-20 04:33 <diva> ++ Melanie_T
2014-03-20 04:33 <Melanie_T> because when we started git, people said: How do i know if 5fe3ac0 is oder than 4728f8de4
2014-03-20 04:33 <nebadon2> ya i say do it, would that be hard Melanie_T?
2014-03-20 04:33 <diva> btw what server do we have for all of this? Is it still the one that Adam gae us from like 1984?
2014-03-20 04:33 <nebadon2> its not that old diva
2014-03-20 04:33 <Melanie_T> nebadon2: i do it regularly to my own repos that use that tagger
2014-03-20 04:33 <smxy> yes, we only need a handful into the past.
2014-03-20 04:33 <Melanie_T> they get damn slow otherwise
2014-03-20 04:33 <nebadon2> its a nice server actually
2014-03-20 04:33 <dahlia> I think its about 2 years old, maybe 3
2014-03-20 04:33 <diva> oh ok, not so bad
2014-03-20 04:33 <Melanie_T> the new opensimulator server is 2 years old
2014-03-20 04:34 <dahlia> same as opensimulator.org
2014-03-20 04:34 <nebadon2> ya something like that going on 3 probably is safe to say
2014-03-20 04:34 <Melanie_T> and forge is hosted by me
2014-03-20 04:34 <dahlia> its up to 4 minute per build now
2014-03-20 04:34 <Melanie_T> since adam shut off the old server
2014-03-20 04:34 <diva> oh man, I would love you even more, Melanie_T, if you moved this whole thing to gitlab on our server
2014-03-20 04:35 <Melanie_T> i'm going to take a look
2014-03-20 04:35 <Melanie_T> i quite like gitlab
2014-03-20 04:35 <diva> cos the github interface sure is nice
2014-03-20 04:35 <dahlia> well we need a strategy for administration then
2014-03-20 04:35 <Melanie_T> the only part i don't like about github is that it's a code warehouse that can go away without notce
2014-03-20 04:35 <smxy> I hope "our server" is getting regular backups - and that the backups are regularly tested.
2014-03-20 04:35 <lkalif> you do need to kill the tags
2014-03-20 04:36 <lkalif> Melanie_T: that's what backups are for
2014-03-20 04:36 <dahlia> and what happens if a magrail runs over Melanie_T?
2014-03-20 04:36 <Melanie_T> dahlia: there are none i know if in the uk
2014-03-20 04:36 <Melanie_T> maybe hs2 will hit me when it's done in 10 years
2014-03-20 04:36 <dahlia> oh well... a tube bomber then
2014-03-20 04:36 <Melanie_T> or i'll fall under a crossrail car
2014-03-20 04:37 <velus> what is this crossrail 
2014-03-20 04:37 <velus> i seen it when i went to london and yeah i dont get it
2014-03-20 04:37 <Melanie_T> then it devolves, first to saphira, then to my accountants, then to my lawyers and finally they will release everything to the parties specified
2014-03-20 04:37 <dahlia> hs2?
2014-03-20 04:37 <lkalif> What I do is this: I have my main code for radegast and libopenmetaverse on github, and I have a script that mirrors them on commit to bitbucket, and sourceforge. I figure at least one of those will not dissapear
2014-03-20 04:38 <dahlia> how about googlecode? 
2014-03-20 04:38 <Melanie_T> crossrail is an east-west connection across london, 
2014-03-20 04:38 <dahlia> or is that going away
2014-03-20 04:38 <lkalif> dahlia: yeah I have that too
2014-03-20 04:38 <Melanie_T> hs2 is a high speed linke to manchester
2014-03-20 04:38 <velus> maybe hey will be will be swalled up by the internet black hole 
2014-03-20 04:39 <velus> i know what hs2 is and its to bham and they thinking of extending to scotland 
2014-03-20 04:39 <Melanie_T> brum first, then manchester
2014-03-20 04:39 <dahlia> I thought england and scotland were getting a divorce?
2014-03-20 04:40 <Melanie_T> the euston-to-chunnel plans just got scrapped
2014-03-20 04:40 <Melanie_T> dahlia: well, my money is on the NOs
2014-03-20 04:40 <lkalif> https://github.com/radegastdev/radegast https://code.google.com/p/radegast/source/browse/ https://bitbucket.org/radegastdev/radegast/overview http://sourceforge.net/p/radegast/radegast/ci/master/tree/
2014-03-20 04:40 <Melanie_T> scotland has too much to lose and the first minister is talking out of his ass
2014-03-20 04:40 <lkalif> likelyhood of all 4 of those going away is much less than my own server ;)
2014-03-20 04:40 <velus> the hs2 tation will be not far from newstreet and closer to more street station but it will have a metro link to hs2 newstreet morestreet snowhill and then the mtro will go to wolvo like normal 
2014-03-20 04:40 <diva> heheh lkalif. then pppl who mine software repos (like some of my students) keep finding copies of code all over the place...
2014-03-20 04:41 <lkalif> that's a good thing
2014-03-20 04:41 <velus> yeah i know what would the scotish use for currency haggis lol 
2014-03-20 04:41 <Melanie_T> i believe code warehouses are a fundamentally wrong approach, personally
2014-03-20 04:41 <velus> and yes i made a scot joke and im scotish 
2014-03-20 04:41 <lkalif> quad backup for free on 4 different services
2014-03-20 04:41 <Melanie_T> velus: so are you YES or NO?
2014-03-20 04:41 <velus> but lkalif can you do private repoos
2014-03-20 04:42 <velus> NO
2014-03-20 04:42 <lkalif> velus: YES
2014-03-20 04:42 <Melanie_T> good
2014-03-20 04:42 <velus> i live in england atm 
2014-03-20 04:42 <lkalif> velus: bitbucket, unlimited private and public repos
2014-03-20 04:42 <dahlia> yes or no on the divorce?
2014-03-20 04:42 <velus> and i want to vist frinds
2014-03-20 04:42 <velus> no on the devoce it was
2014-03-20 04:42 <lkalif> people speaking out of their arse,pfft
2014-03-20 04:42 <Melanie_T> if you have a first minister who cites big business being on his side, then gets contradicted by all business leaders and fails to pull TWO names out of his hat for support, then turns around to say people should not listen to fat cats....
2014-03-20 04:42 <velus> yeah the scotish do that a lot 
2014-03-20 04:43 <ssm2017[Away]> about multiadmins strategy, on francogrid we are using 2 things : 1/ admin have to fill the file /root/.changelog on every change on the machine 2/ all the custom config files like /etc ones are located in /opt/francogrid/etc and we are using a link like : "ln -s /opt/francogrid/etc/crontab /etc/crontab" and then, the /opt/francogrid folder is commited on a private git server
2014-03-20 04:43 <dahlia> Melanie_T: sounds like a typical politician
2014-03-20 04:43 <velus> yeah it does
2014-03-20 04:44 <Melanie_T> then claims to have a formal currency union witht he UK in the bag, gets contradicyed by ALL UK parties, then lays claim tot he euro and gets a kick in the arse by the EU, then says they'll default on the national debt and continue to use sterling regardless
2014-03-20 04:44 <Melanie_T> even though doing that will not make possible what they wanted inthe first place, namely fiscal autonomy
2014-03-20 04:44 <velus> but if the queen wishes not to have her head on the currency then it cant use striling 
2014-03-20 04:44 <Melanie_T> and then he tells people that this aspect, which was his core platform 6 motnhs, ago, is not really important...
2014-03-20 04:44 <lkalif> dahlia: scottish and irish people have been opressed by the english for centuries. irish got their independence (well almost, english kept a bit of the island). scots want to be in charge of their own destinty too
2014-03-20 04:45 <Melanie_T> all he wants is an iron curtain and I say "NO"
2014-03-20 04:45 <lkalif> dahlia: Melanie_T is spewing official london propaganda on the issue
2014-03-20 04:45 <Melanie_T> sadly, i don't have a vote
2014-03-20 04:45 <velus> i can cos of my auntiew and sister lol 
2014-03-20 04:45 <dahlia> well Ive only heard little bits and pieces on this side of the pond
2014-03-20 04:45 <dahlia> and I havent really followed it
2014-03-20 04:46 <Melanie_T> the point is not yes or no, really. itls that the first minister claims the people can have "YES" without the downsides and that's not going to happen
2014-03-20 04:46 <lkalif> Putin should go to London to take lessons on how propanda and opression is done
2014-03-20 04:46 <Melanie_T> if it's YES, scots will have to go it alone
2014-03-20 04:46 <dahlia> but the impression I got was "we need moar money and we need to make a fuss until we get it"
2014-03-20 04:46 <Melanie_T> whisky prices will go up
2014-03-20 04:46 <velus> if the scotish minister gets his way i will nee a pasport ot visit my frinds and also would i get a scotish or english would i become an illigeal 
2014-03-20 04:46 <Melanie_T> dahlia: precisely
2014-03-20 04:47 <velus> brb time to get rid of the scotish minister
2014-03-20 04:48 <Melanie_T> indeed
2014-03-20 04:48 <dahlia> lol
2014-03-20 04:48 <Melanie_T> i believe scotland has more to gain from devolution than from separation
2014-03-20 04:48 <Melanie_T> the ultimate argument is about the nuclear subs
2014-03-20 04:48 <dahlia> so if scotland goes it alone, will scots be "subjects" or "citizens" ?
2014-03-20 04:48 <Melanie_T> and again people forget that that base supports a fair sized town
2014-03-20 04:49 <dahlia> (as if it matters)
2014-03-20 04:49 <Melanie_T> that revenue will be lost as well,, another region in mass unemplyment
2014-03-20 04:49 <Melanie_T> dahlia: citizens, unless they coin another term
2014-03-20 04:49 <Melanie_T> or "elect" to have a king
2014-03-20 04:49 <Melanie_T> the first minister comes to mind
2014-03-20 04:49 <lkalif> they want to be a republic
2014-03-20 04:49 <Melanie_T> spewing nonsense always has been royal prerogative
2014-03-20 04:50 <Melanie_T> so the shoe fit
2014-03-20 04:50 <Melanie_T> s
2014-03-20 04:50 <Melanie_T> yes im being a bit caustic
2014-03-20 04:50 <dahlia> meh politicians spew nonsense all the time
2014-03-20 04:50 <lkalif> I think I've figured it out. Melanie_T works for gchq
2014-03-20 04:51 <dahlia> lol
2014-03-20 04:51 <lkalif> paranoia, worship of state power, dislike of free market, it all fits
2014-03-20 04:51 <lkalif> plus skilled propaganda narative ;)
2014-03-20 04:52 <dahlia> "free market" usually means "controlled by the oligarchs" 
2014-03-20 04:53 <velus> lol
2014-03-20 04:54 <lkalif> I mean what sort of person argues that a police state with CCTV cameras on every corner filing your every move is a good thing because it "reduces muggings"
2014-03-20 04:54 <lkalif> and is suspicious of free enterprise like github
2014-03-20 04:54 <lkalif> doesn't add upp
2014-03-20 04:55 <dahlia> lkalif: we're all entitled to our opinions and at least we can express them, even if they are OT now and then
2014-03-20 04:57 <lkalif> dahlia: of course everyone is entiled to their own opinions
2014-03-20 04:57 <diva> github is as free as the KGB. The vultures who put the money in control it.
2014-03-20 04:58 <nebadon2> I was reading that github is a very volitile work environment as a company
2014-03-20 04:58 <lkalif> you mean like every other company?
2014-03-20 04:58 <lkalif> diva: what company is not controlled by the people who put the money in?
2014-03-20 04:58 <diva> like those other ocmoanies who are financed by Silicon Valley venture capitalists, a mafia
2014-03-20 04:59 <diva> some money comes from ppl who are better than others
2014-03-20 04:59 <lkalif> I don't know of companies that don't do as their owners wish
2014-03-20 04:59 <diva> true. but who the owner is matters, and what kind of business they do also matters
2014-03-20 05:00 <Melanie_T> diva: it's "vulture capitalists"
2014-03-20 05:00 <dahlia> I really dont know anything about who owns github
2014-03-20 05:00 <lkalif> diva: are you upset with gitgub over this recent harrasment case?
2014-03-20 05:00 <nebadon2> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/17/julie_horvath_quits_github_sexism_harassment_claims/
2014-03-20 05:00 <velus> lol 
2014-03-20 05:00 <nebadon2> 
ACTION throws gasoline on the fire and runs away

2014-03-20 05:00 <diva> lkalif, that's just a tiny sand on the beach
2014-03-20 05:00 <lkalif> yeah I can hear that in diva's voice ;)
2014-03-20 05:00 <diva> :)
2014-03-20 05:01 <dahlia> "vulture capitalists" <3
2014-03-20 05:01 <diva> no, it's not because of that
2014-03-20 05:01 <dahlia> lol
2014-03-20 05:01 <nebadon2> hehe
2014-03-20 05:01 <lkalif> I every day use free services provided by "hipsters" from Silicon Valey
2014-03-20 05:01 <lkalif> and you do to
2014-03-20 05:02 <diva> I know, and my goal is to use less :)
2014-03-20 05:02 <dahlia> there's one thing about "free market" that I like, it's "competition". Spread the code around :)
2014-03-20 05:02 <lkalif> diva: you might as well move into a cave and start painting on the walls
2014-03-20 05:03 <diva> not need for that! Just need to clean up that region of the world a bit
2014-03-20 05:03 <lkalif> Trying to use internet without services like Google is not very productive
2014-03-20 05:03 <diva> a lot of idiot-savants there
2014-03-20 05:03 <lkalif> Google has become a freeking Startrek computer
2014-03-20 05:03 <dahlia> sure it is. I used the internet a LOT before google even existed
2014-03-20 05:04 <dahlia> I do like their search engine, but the rest is meh
2014-03-20 05:04 <lkalif> dahlia: and how was it compared to now?
2014-03-20 05:04 <dahlia> yes google's search engine is quite good
2014-03-20 05:04 <diva> I dont like google either, but they are part of a different era of SV operations, before the whole thing turned south
2014-03-20 05:04 <dahlia> but I kinda like bing and duckduckgo now and then
2014-03-20 05:05 <diva> there's a new generation of VCs that came in the heels of Google and that now are calling the shots
2014-03-20 05:05 <diva> O'Reilly, Paul Graham and friends
2014-03-20 05:05 <lkalif> I really *love* Google. Everything I want to know, I just type it in. I remember the time of paper encyclopedias and references.
2014-03-20 05:05 <diva> the folks around YCombinator
2014-03-20 05:05 <dahlia> things are getting kinda ugly in SV these days.. with all the gentrification fights and the attacks on google buses and all
2014-03-20 05:06 <dahlia> and the state of CA drooling over all the SV tax money
2014-03-20 05:06 <dahlia> its unhealthy
2014-03-20 05:06 <lkalif> Sometime you should really stop and consider what is possible these days. We have the knowlege of all of humanity under our fingertips. And all of that in under 20 years.
2014-03-20 05:06 <diva> very unhealthy
2014-03-20 05:07 <diva> As I said, Google is a different beast
2014-03-20 05:07 <dahlia> I like Moonbeam but sometimes I think he is short sighted
2014-03-20 05:08 <lkalif> I don't know inside baseball story of Silicon Vallery, who is financing whom
2014-03-20 05:08 <lkalif> I see the result, and I like it and use it
2014-03-20 05:08 <dahlia> Moonbeam = name given to our beloved governor when he refused the governor's mansion way back in the dark ages
2014-03-20 05:09 <ssm2017[Away]> future looks like bit torrent uncentralized services like bitmessages, bitsync etc...
2014-03-20 05:10 <dahlia> lkalif:  I like all the services too but one has to consider the concentration of information and power and what that kind of concentration has done in human history...
2014-03-20 05:10 <dahlia> we need to look beyond the facade
2014-03-20 05:11 <lkalif> Well, I appear not to be able to peer behind the facade
2014-03-20 05:11 <lkalif> I don't see what sort of evil plan Google has
2014-03-20 05:11 <dahlia> you appear to be presenting that perspective, yes
2014-03-20 05:13 <velus> and .....
2014-03-20 05:14 <diva> yeah, I guess the financing is not very visible, but there's essentially a sort of "mafia" around startups lately. They consume white boys like candy, make them feel on top of the world so that they deliver the goods. At the same time they pull the strings on all the social media (that they control too) so to hype things. People flock to these services like good dogs, while they make money 
2014-03-20 05:14 <diva> by selling the hype. Sometimes the hype has some meat in it, otehr times it doesn't. They don't care. It's a self-fullfilling affair.
2014-03-20 05:14 <lkalif> I'm a skeptic, I require to see some evidence of abuse. I see evidence of governmental abuse all over, but not of say Google abuse of the data they have. Which is why it baffles me that people here think Google is root of all evil and some have no trouble with governmetns running a total panopticon style surveilance state.
2014-03-20 05:16 <diva> A government is better than a mafia
2014-03-20 05:16 <diva> at least there's a non-zero chance of outing them
2014-03-20 05:16 <lkalif> US government kidaps people all over the world, puts them in unmarked prisons, and torturs them.
2014-03-20 05:16 <diva> when elections come
2014-03-20 05:16 <dahlia> lkalif: here's another perspective you might be interested in http://www.kqed.org/a/forum/R201403121000
2014-03-20 05:17 <velus> i can give you one instance of google being evil, a mate of mine got attacked in the strret as the google car went past they cought the attack on tape and yet wouldnt give it to the police without a price, because google is in another country it didnt have to give it the tape right away eventually my mate paid for the tapoe to be used in court so his attacker could getr punished
2014-03-20 05:17 <lkalif> Google gives me targeted ads.
2014-03-20 05:18 <diva> (On my part, Google is in another category than these hipster starups that popped up like mushrooms since 2004. It's a different groups of people)
2014-03-20 05:18 <lkalif> diva: there is realistic chance of the US governemt mistaking my name for someone they dislike and disappearing me into one of their torture sites. This has actually happened several times in the past that is documented by evidence.
2014-03-20 05:18 <velus> any who im going to sleep and then eat so ill see you all tomorrow
2014-03-20 05:19 <lkalif> diva: so your sense of proportion of government v. private silicon valey business is way off mark
2014-03-20 05:19 <diva> I'm not defending the US government
2014-03-20 05:19 <diva> there's plenty to complain about them too
2014-03-20 05:19 <diva> but I like the concept of governments in general, not mafias
2014-03-20 05:20 <dahlia> this channel couldnt handle the bandwidth of all the complaints :P
2014-03-20 05:20 <lkalif> I just don't get the outrage over something like targeted ads, vs. killing and torturing real live human beings
2014-03-20 05:21 <dahlia> lkalif:  check that link I posted for a few possible reasons
2014-03-20 05:21 <lkalif> and that total surveilance state is ok because it "reduces muggings" as Melanie_T says
2014-03-20 05:25 <diva> lkalif, when things reach the scale of a government there's all sorts of nasty things that happen. Most of the ugly things that the US government does are motivated by US business interests, not by politics or beliefs. It's the money and greed that makes those ugly things happen.
2014-03-20 05:26 <diva> Like the oil mafia, for example.
2014-03-20 05:26 <lkalif> diva: yes. but not by silicon valey interest. it's the good old military-industrial complex. i was kind of hoping the rise of tech companies would reduce that
2014-03-20 05:26 <lkalif> the US governemt acts like an enforcer for US oil and defence industry
2014-03-20 05:26 <lkalif> mafia indeed
2014-03-20 05:27 <diva> that's an utopia, lkalif. The tech people, if their interests are at stake, will do the same ugly things. In fact they're already doing
2014-03-20 05:27 <diva> the "Big Data" hype for example
2014-03-20 05:27 <lkalif> it's not hype. google works
2014-03-20 05:28 <diva> that's largely driven by tech companies realizing that they can get a lot of money from the US government
2014-03-20 05:28 <diva> I'm not talking about google
2014-03-20 05:28 <lkalif> when I hear "big data" I see google logo
2014-03-20 05:28 <diva> the "big data" hype has nothing to do with Google! Goggle has been doing big data well before the hype
2014-03-20 05:29 <diva> there's now A LOT of smaller companies doing "big data analytics" and sucking in enormous amounts of money from the US government
2014-03-20 05:29 <lkalif> well there is always one type or other
2014-03-20 05:30 <diva> so when you say that the US government can get your name, pull you aside and lock you in, remember that the technologies that are enabling that are tech companies developing for the US government
2014-03-20 05:31 <dahlia> all the SV peeps who want to be in the "1%"
2014-03-20 05:33 <diva> for some people, money is all that matters
2014-03-20 05:34 <dahlia> and after they get way more than they could ever spend in a lifetime, all the do is crave more
2014-03-20 05:35 <diva> yes. By lobbying, creating hype bubbles, FUDing, etc.
2014-03-20 05:37 <lkalif> so we should boycott these services, not use atlassian's bitbucket, github, google and the like
2014-03-20 05:38 <diva> I don't care about boycotting as a political statement. I'm liking hosting my own things more and more, especially if what they offer is not critical
2014-03-20 05:38 <dahlia> not at all. It's all choice but it should be an informed choice and dont just jump on something because it's "free" (which it isnt)
2014-03-20 05:38 <ssm2017[Away]> it looks like the idea is not to boycott them but try to avoid them with finding independant alternatives ?
2014-03-20 05:39 <diva> if what they offer is critical (like google), then we don't have much choice. But if it's not critical (like github) then why should we use them?
2014-03-20 05:39 <lkalif> "host your own" is just moving it one step. you don't support github, but you support Level 3 or whatever the hosting company is using 
2014-03-20 05:40 <lkalif> It's just silly
2014-03-20 05:40 <diva> different groups of money people, lkalif
2014-03-20 05:40 <diva> there are very rich people who are perfectly good human beings
2014-03-20 05:40 <diva> not all are evil
2014-03-20 05:40 <lkalif> telcos are evil
2014-03-20 05:41 <dahlia> why?
2014-03-20 05:41 <lkalif> there is no technical justification for the pricing and caps they're imposing
2014-03-20 05:41 <lkalif> it's just there to make them rich
2014-03-20 05:42 <dahlia> I don't think google intends to be evil at all. I think that unconstrained, the results on society may not be desirable for most of society in the long term
2014-03-20 05:43 <dahlia> and as members of society, we still have some control over our destiny by NOT giving *everything* to "cloud services"
2014-03-20 05:44 <diva> anyway. time to go to bed after this political conversation :) NN
2014-03-20 05:44 <dahlia> nn :)
2014-03-20 05:44 <lkalif> good night :)
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2014-03-20 08:25 <osmantis> Bug #7069:04 wrong sit offset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7069 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2014-03-20 10:26 <osmantis> Bug #7069:04 wrong sit offset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7069 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-03-20 11:43 <velus> morning
2014-03-20 12:10 <velus> bck
2014-03-20 12:10 <velus> anyone awake?
2014-03-20 12:21 <osmantis> Bug #6922:04 No particles are generated if their size exceeds the maximum allowed size 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6922 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
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2014-03-20 12:47 <velus> yayscience: hows you doing
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2014-03-20 14:23 <velus> yayscience: 
2014-03-20 15:09 <osmantis> Bug #7066:04 Feature Request : Enable users to switch off the in-built dwell module if using a 3rd party module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7066 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-03-20 16:16 <H-H-H> ok guys heres a link to my dwell module on github incase anyone wants to try it
2014-03-20 16:16 <H-H-H> https://github.com/H-H-H/Barosonix-Dwell-Module
2014-03-20 16:19 <H-H-H> Please note it requires this patch in core to work properly
2014-03-20 16:19 <H-H-H> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7066
2014-03-20 16:24 <osmantis> Bug #7070:04 Walking / running reduces jump velocity 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7070 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-20 16:27 <osmantis> Bug #7068:04 possibility to deny same-region teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7068 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-03-20 16:40 <osmantis> Bug #7068:04 possibility to deny same-region teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7068 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-20 16:47 <velus> yayscience: 
2014-03-20 16:48 <osmantis> Bug #7069:04 wrong sit offset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7069 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-20 16:54 <velus> H-H-H: do you want to play an very aictive game
2014-03-20 16:55 <osmantis> Bug #7069:04 wrong sit offset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7069 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-20 16:58 <velus> http://gabrielecirulli.github.io/2048/ H-H-H 
2014-03-20 17:24 <osmantis> Bug #7068:04 possibility to deny same-region teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7068 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-20 17:49 <osmantis> Bug #7069:04 wrong sit offset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7069 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-20 17:55 <osmantis> Bug #7069:04 wrong sit offset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7069 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-20 18:37 <velus> back
2014-03-20 18:51 <osmantis> Bug #7068:04 possibility to deny same-region teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7068 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-20 18:51 <H-H-H> wb
2014-03-20 18:52 <velus> ty
2014-03-20 19:11 <yayscience> velus: thank you for the pointer!
2014-03-20 19:11 <velus> ??
2014-03-20 19:11 <yayscience> to the bug about sitting
2014-03-20 19:11 <velus> i didnt
2014-03-20 19:11 <yayscience> Ah! My IRC client made it look that way. 
2014-03-20 19:11 <yayscience> Thank you for being awesome, then :)
2014-03-20 19:11 <velus> ok ty
2014-03-20 19:11 <yayscience> carry on
2014-03-20 19:12 <velus> i went and poinrted a game
2014-03-20 19:13 <velus> http://gabrielecirulli.github.io/2048/ thats the game 2048 try it yayscience 
2014-03-20 19:17 <H-H-H> its actually rather fun lol
2014-03-20 19:18 <velus> and distracting
2014-03-20 19:18 <velus> i guess you played it then H-H-H 
2014-03-20 19:19 <H-H-H> i had a go yeah
2014-03-20 19:19 <H-H-H> in between tidying up git repos lol
2014-03-20 19:21 <H-H-H> velus do you have any comment on my mantis
2014-03-20 19:21 <velus> which one is that?
2014-03-20 19:21 <H-H-H> hold on i will link it
2014-03-20 19:22 <velus> ok
2014-03-20 19:22 <H-H-H> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7066
2014-03-20 19:22 <velus> H-H-H:  you know php yes?
2014-03-20 19:22 <H-H-H> enough to be dangerouse lol
2014-03-20 19:23 <velus> lol maybe you want to help on my part for the system, a whole knew php web gui 
2014-03-20 19:23 <velus> the one that is on the site http://velusuniverse.com
2014-03-20 19:24 <velus> and good work 
2014-03-20 19:24 <H-H-H> i prefer and use the original webui heavily modified of course
2014-03-20 19:24 <velus> so you know php too?
2014-03-20 19:24 <velus> the diva one?
2014-03-20 19:24 <H-H-H> no the original
2014-03-20 19:24 <velus> and have you seen mine though 
2014-03-20 19:24 <velus> oh the websim 
2014-03-20 19:24 <H-H-H> way before diva,s one 
2014-03-20 19:25 <velus> opensimweb
2014-03-20 19:25 <H-H-H> opensim wiredux on the forge
2014-03-20 19:25 <H-H-H> now having a look at yours
2014-03-20 19:25 <velus> yeah i am creating my own one and well it has little bits from that but not much 
2014-03-20 19:26 <velus> plus mine hase a little secruity mesure it has pdo and not mysql_
2014-03-20 19:27 <H-H-H> iare you writting yours from scratch or modifying some pre existing cms
2014-03-20 19:27 <H-H-H> hey justincc
2014-03-20 19:27 <justincc> hi H-H-H
2014-03-20 19:27 <H-H-H> how are you?
2014-03-20 19:27 <velus> hey justincc and im creating it from scratch 
2014-03-20 19:27 <velus> H-H-H: 
2014-03-20 19:28 <justincc> still tired - I think I need to get a better schedule
2014-03-20 19:28 <H-H-H> i put a patch on mantis that if you can spare a few mins :) whenever you have time :)
2014-03-20 19:28 <velus> yeah me too
2014-03-20 19:28 <justincc> H-H-H: what's the number?
2014-03-20 19:28 <H-H-H> i need to get some sort of schedule to start with then maybe i might be organised
2014-03-20 19:28 <velus>  http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7066
2014-03-20 19:29 <velus> thats it justincc 
2014-03-20 19:29 <H-H-H> 7066
2014-03-20 19:30 <justincc> H-H-H: okay I see.  Could you replace the tabs in your patches with spaces?  OpenSimulator standard is 4 space indentation
2014-03-20 19:30 <H-H-H> I can , do you want me to redo those or just remember for next time :)
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2014-03-20 19:31 <justincc> it would be easier for me if you can redo them
2014-03-20 19:31 <velus> i see justin you have a code ethics for the project nice
2014-03-20 19:31 <justincc> there has to be a code standard, otherwise things become much harder to read
2014-03-20 19:31 <velus> yeah i know justincc 
2014-03-20 19:31 <H-H-H> that was default from git format-patch
2014-03-20 19:32 <justincc> git will use whatever you had in the text file
2014-03-20 19:33 <velus> sometime if the program is set p this way the git will set the 4 spaces to tabs
2014-03-20 19:33 <H-H-H> do you have an example of how you would prefer it ?
2014-03-20 19:33 <justincc> H-H-H: look anywhere in the codebase - it all uses 4 space indents
2014-03-20 19:33 <velus> H-H-H: just replace a tab with 4 spaces
2014-03-20 19:35 <justincc> H-H-H: other than that, looks good to me.  When the change is made i will apply later on - I have various other things I need to do first
2014-03-20 19:35 <H-H-H> no probs im just trying to sort those patches lol
2014-03-20 19:43 <H-H-H> damn i didnt realise i used so many tabs lol
2014-03-20 19:58 <osmantis> Bug #7066:04 Feature Request : Enable users to switch off the in-built dwell module if using a 3rd party module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7066 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-20 19:59 <H-H-H> i hope that better justincc
2014-03-20 19:59 <H-H-H> thats*
2014-03-20 19:59 <Dev_Random> justincc is a tyrant.  He did the same thing to me.
2014-03-20 19:59 <osmantis> Bug #6922:04 No particles are generated if their size exceeds the maximum allowed size 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6922 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-20 19:59 <justincc> I am a stickler.  I love consistency
2014-03-20 20:00 <H-H-H> rules is rules lol and if it makes things easyer to read then im all for it
2014-03-20 20:00 <Dev_Random> heh.. yeah.. I never use tabs by choice... monodevelop defaults to them though, and I didn't notice.
2014-03-20 20:01 <H-H-H> thats what i use, i dont supose you found any way to switch between tabs or 4spaces?
2014-03-20 20:01 <Dev_Random> Monodevelop:  Edit Preferences / Source Code / Code Formatting / Text file
2014-03-20 20:01 <Plugh> Yes, consistency is a good thing. I have someone doing work on a plug-in for GIMP and their coding style is being influenced by how much code they can see on screen. (believe it or not).
2014-03-20 20:01 <H-H-H> 
ACTION looks

2014-03-20 20:02 <Plugh> Dev_Random: I use vi as my editor of choice. Someone gave me some commands for it that make vi automatically de-tabify source code and have 4 space tabs by default.
2014-03-20 20:03 <Plugh> Sometimes it causes me problems when making patches for OpenSim as my patches wind up including white space changes if I'm not careful.
2014-03-20 20:03 <lkalif> Unity 5 Feature Preview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSfakMeW0lw
2014-03-20 20:03 <H-H-H> ok i selected text file so will test it later
2014-03-20 20:03 <lkalif> looks pretty awesome
2014-03-20 20:03 <Dev_Random> I'm an emacser.  either way.. a handy macro.
2014-03-20 20:03 <lkalif> M-x doctor
2014-03-20 20:03 <justincc> H-H-H: so, I was hoping you would do a fresh patch rather than have one which sits on top of the previous tab patch
2014-03-20 20:03 <velus> H-H-H: 
2014-03-20 20:04 <velus> can i pm you please
2014-03-20 20:04 <justincc> and I'm not sure it would apply anyway as it appaer to redo the OpenSimDefaults.ini change
2014-03-20 20:04 <H-H-H> ok 
2014-03-20 20:04 <H-H-H> yeah velus
2014-03-20 20:04 <Dev_Random> Plugh: can probably add a git hook for that. No?
2014-03-20 20:05 <H-H-H> justincc im still new to a lot of this lol sorry
2014-03-20 20:05 <justincc> H-H-H: no worries.  Might be easiest to copy the new file somewhere else, reset git to the revision before you changes then just copy your file back in and recommit
2014-03-20 20:05 <justincc> you would also need to do the same with OpenSimDefaults.ini
2014-03-20 20:06 <H-H-H> so if i make local copy of those 2 files and then revert the comit before i made those changes then re add the 2 files making sure of the 4 space not tab rule and then recommit and re format the patch (i think) ?
2014-03-20 20:07 <justincc> H-H-H: that should work
2014-03-20 20:07 <H-H-H> ok ty
2014-03-20 20:07 <Plugh> Dev_Random: I don't know. I only use git because I have to for a couple of Open Source projects I am interested in.
2014-03-20 20:07 <Dev_Random> I dont' really know git either.. was looking into hooks the other day when folks were discussing line endings.
2014-03-20 20:08 <Dev_Random> never used it before I submitted a patch here.
2014-03-20 20:12 <Plugh> In some ways, I don't like git. I've lost work because of it. I made up my own "cheat sheet" for it as I learned how to do some things with it. 
2014-03-20 20:13 <Plugh> I've learned enough about using it now to usually keep myself out of trouble with it. The one thing I hate is when you do a pull and get conflicts. 
2014-03-20 20:13 <Dev_Random> heh.. I'm up to  the point where I've managed to pull, commit -a , and format-patch well enough to generate a patch file. 
2014-03-20 20:14 <Dev_Random> haven't made a big enough change for conflicts to be significant
2014-03-20 20:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #3384 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-20 20:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3384: SUCCESS in 3 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3384/
2014-03-20 20:20 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Mantis 6974 PERMISSION_TRACK_CAMERA should be implicit on attach.
2014-03-20 20:21 <osmantis> Bug #7068:04 possibility to deny same-region teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7068 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-20 20:22 <H-H-H> patch coming up soon is both those patches in one ok justincc? As i read somewhere opensim prefers one change per patch
2014-03-20 20:23 <justincc> H-H-H: yeah, having both module and ini file changes in one patch would be good, since they go together
2014-03-20 20:24 <H-H-H> ok not a problem
2014-03-20 20:27 <Plugh> bbl. Time for a walk before it gets any later in the day.
2014-03-20 20:33 <osmantis> Bug #7066:04 Feature Request : Enable users to switch off the in-built dwell module if using a 3rd party module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7066 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-20 20:34 <H-H-H> there you go justincc :) hope thats right now
2014-03-20 20:34 <justincc> H-H-H: patch still has tabs, and now they are 8 space
2014-03-20 20:35 <H-H-H> wtf :|
2014-03-20 20:36 <osmantis> Bug #6974:04 PERMISSION_TRACK_CAMERA is not automatically granted to an attached object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6974 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-20 20:37 <H-H-H> man the whole file has tabs now
2014-03-20 20:37 <H-H-H> not just a few
2014-03-20 20:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #3385 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-20 20:39 <H-H-H> oh found out why sorry
2014-03-20 20:41 <osmantis> Bug #6969:04 Fix remote suitcase root request 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6969 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-20 20:41 <osmantis> Bug #6969:04 Fix remote suitcase root request 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6969 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2014-03-20 20:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3385: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3385/
2014-03-20 20:42 <osjenkins> jjustincc: If we find an existing suitcase folder in HGSuitcaseInventoryService.GetRootFolder(), then return that as a response rather than null.
2014-03-20 21:01 <velus> H-H-H:  do you know js?
2014-03-20 21:15 <osmantis> Bug #6969:04 Fix remote suitcase root request 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6969 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-20 21:37 <osmantis> Bug #7066:04 Feature Request : Enable users to switch off the in-built dwell module if using a 3rd party module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7066 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-20 21:38 <H-H-H> ok justincc i think i have it this time if not i give up lol as it apears that monodevelop and also my other txt editor were adding tabs to the patch file
2014-03-20 21:38 <H-H-H> no sorry velus i dont :(
2014-03-20 21:38 <velus> dam
2014-03-20 21:40 <H-H-H> 
ACTION croses fingers and waits to see if the patch is good or bad lol

2014-03-20 21:58 <H-H-H> quiet in here tonight ?
2014-03-20 21:59 <Plugh> H-H-H: Drop a pin and see if you can hear it. 
2014-03-20 22:01 <H-H-H> i did and it echoed lol
2014-03-20 22:03 <Plugh> :)
2014-03-20 22:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #3386 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-20 22:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3386: SUCCESS in 3 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3386/
2014-03-20 22:46 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Adding a way to disable/enable the in built Dwell Module
2014-03-20 22:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #3387 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-20 22:46 <osmantis> Bug #7066:04 Feature Request : Enable users to switch off the in-built dwell module if using a 3rd party module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7066 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-20 22:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3387: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3387/
2014-03-20 22:50 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add H-H-H to contributors
2014-03-21 00:07 <osmantis> Bug #6969:04 Fix remote suitcase root request 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6969 ): has been CLOSED
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2014-03-21 02:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #3388 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-21 02:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3388: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3388/
2014-03-21 02:11 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add monitored thread last update times as stats in "show stats all"
2014-03-21 02:12 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-21 02:13 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-21 02:14 <justincc> alright, time to rest.  Goodnight folks
2014-03-21 05:24 <osmantis> Bug #7068:04 possibility to deny same-region teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7068 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-21 06:16 <osmantis> Bug #7069:04 wrong sit offset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7069 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-21 06:34 <nebadon2> hello orenh sorry missed you on other channel :)
2014-03-21 06:53 <orenh> nebadon2 np. Seems like my IRC client doesn't auto-reconnect to channels with passwords. Must find a new client...
2014-03-21 06:54 <nebadon2> ya thats typical
2014-03-21 06:54 <nebadon2> mine doesnt either
2014-03-21 11:39 <osmantis> Bug #6922:04 No particles are generated if their size exceeds the maximum allowed size 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6922 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-21 12:45 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-21 13:19 <osmantis> Bug #7060:04 Objects rezzed on the region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7060 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-03-21 13:30 <Thonneve> Does anyone know how to enable all functions for the estate owner?
2014-03-21 15:23 <Satyear> Hello all...
2014-03-21 15:24 <velus> hey
2014-03-21 15:24 <Satyear> may I dare to ask for help about megaregion? :3
2014-03-21 15:25 <velus> yes you can but atm i havent trid it but ill see if i cna if not someone in here would be able to
2014-03-21 15:25 <Satyear> Ok, I'll try asking anyway then.
2014-03-21 15:26 <Satyear> I did manage to sucesfully (I think) set up a mega region of 16 (4*4) and imported a oar in one of them (the 14th)
2014-03-21 15:27 <Satyear> (this is the oar) http://forums.osgrid.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=4840
2014-03-21 15:27 <nebadon2> you need to load the oar into the SW region
2014-03-21 15:27 <Satyear> yeah, I did it... change region area14
2014-03-21 15:27 <nebadon2> http://wiki.osgrid.org/index.php/Mega_Regions
2014-03-21 15:27 <Satyear> (and it worke as expected)
2014-03-21 15:28 <nebadon2> ok
2014-03-21 15:28 <nebadon2> usually you make SW region #1
2014-03-21 15:28 <Satyear> well, havn't tried in the #1... but I need that spot later for another oar
2014-03-21 15:29 <Satyear> the problem is in the region (the 14th)  where I did imported the oar
2014-03-21 15:29 <Satyear> avatars walks through everything like ghosts
2014-03-21 15:29 <Satyear> if I do reduce the regions to 3... everything works fine
2014-03-21 15:30 <Satyear> If I do set the region to 4 or more... ghost.
2014-03-21 15:32 <Satyear> this is my region.ini
2014-03-21 15:32 <Satyear> http://pastebin.com/c9SNi72u
2014-03-21 15:34 <nebadon2> Mega regions generally only work in the manner layed out in the wiki link above
2014-03-21 15:34 <nebadon2> if you are trying to offset content in the region you need to use the oar load offset switch
2014-03-21 15:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #3389 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-21 15:35 <nebadon2> that said if you have everything configured correctly and this is still happening you need to type "fix phantoms" on the region console
2014-03-21 15:35 <nebadon2> it will hopefully make things right for you
2014-03-21 15:36 <Satyear> I'll try it, thanks!
2014-03-21 15:37 <nebadon2> if you want to use the oar offset the switch is --displacement
2014-03-21 15:37 <nebadon2> type "help load oar" on the region console to see how it works
2014-03-21 15:38 <nebadon2> also if your merging oars together dont forget on the 2nd+ oars being merged to use the --merge switch
2014-03-21 15:38 <nebadon2> otherwise the oar being merged will replace everything in the region
2014-03-21 15:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3389: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3389/
2014-03-21 15:38 <osjenkins> orenh: Moved Oren Hurvitz to core developers list
2014-03-21 16:21 <nebadon2> we so need this > http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/03/20/opengl-gdc2014/
2014-03-21 16:59 <Plugh> Odd. How can the AtvScr stat be -5??
2014-03-21 17:04 <Dev_Random> I see negatives there all the time.  One of mine is reading -95!
2014-03-21 17:08 <Dev_Random> I'm logged in and standing in one of my regions on OSGrid with the Stats floater open, and "Active Scripts" is reading -129.
2014-03-21 17:10 <nebadon2> Plugh because avatars wearing scripts
2014-03-21 17:10 <nebadon2> who come and go
2014-03-21 17:10 <nebadon2> we dont calculate those correctly
2014-03-21 17:12 <Plugh> Oh, ok. One more issue to be fixed. :)
2014-03-21 17:12 <Plugh> Sounds like the stats are updated when an avatar wearing scripted items leaves but the count isn't incremented when they arrive or put on scripted gadgets.
2014-03-21 17:15 <Plugh> Any idea if that issue has been recorded in mantis?
2014-03-21 17:23 <nebadon2> right I think that is the case Plugh, and I am not sure about existing mantis here
2014-03-21 17:23 <nebadon2> would need to search
2014-03-21 17:24 <nebadon2> there is a lot of working that needs to be done on Avatars wearing scripts
2014-03-21 17:24 <nebadon2> ultimately what we need is a AppDomain for each avatar
2014-03-21 17:25 <nebadon2> instead of clumping them all into the same AppDomain, the simualtor itself should have 1 appdomain and each avatar that connects should have its own that can be completely removed when the avatar leaves the region
2014-03-21 17:25 <nebadon2> the problem is that if you have AppDomainLoading = False for Xengine, you can never unload any scripts
2014-03-21 17:25 <nebadon2> so it leads to memory, thread leaking as more and more scripted avatars visit your region
2014-03-21 17:26 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-03-21 17:26 <Plugh> Sounds like a fair bit of work.
2014-03-21 17:27 <Plugh> AppDomain is tied in with the scripting engine?
2014-03-21 17:31 <Dev_Random> theres a setting in [XEngine]     AppDomainLoading=false;
2014-03-21 17:36 <Plugh> ok. I plan to have a look at some of the script engine issues eventually. Not sure if I want to really get in to the app domain thing but we'll see. Have some compile related issues to deal with first.
2014-03-21 17:45 <Dev_Random> I recall reading somewhere that on border crossings, scripts are "continued" rather than restarted.  Would that cause the counting issue?
2014-03-21 17:48 <Plugh> No idea but it is possible.
2014-03-21 17:49 <Plugh> Should be easy to check. Check stats for a region. Bring an avatar wearing a scripted gadget across the border in to the region, check stats, then make the avatar leave and check stats again.
2014-03-21 18:39 <osmantis> Bug #7071:04 Persist console command history after an OpenSim.exe restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7071 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-21 18:39 <osmantis> Bug #7071:04 Persist console command history after an OpenSim.exe restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7071 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-03-21 18:45 <velus> nebadon2: you know in a money module you have a balance section it shows the user id as userid@ip would that ip be the reion ip or the grid ip?
2014-03-21 18:48 <osmantis> Bug #7071:04 Persist console command history after an OpenSim.exe restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7071 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-03-21 19:02 <velus> is anyone abot atm 
2014-03-21 19:02 <velus> probs Melanie_T 
2014-03-21 19:11 <nebadon2> I dont know anything about money modules velus, never used one
2014-03-21 19:11 <velus> OK MAYBE Melanie_T WILL
2014-03-21 19:11 <nebadon2> my guess though is that anytime it shows user@ip
2014-03-21 19:12 <nebadon2> its going to be their own IP address, not the simulator
2014-03-21 19:12 <nebadon2> simulator ip would not make any sense
2014-03-21 19:12 <Plugh> A little while ago I saw a command in a region console for enabling/disabling save of stats. Now I can't remember the command and I can't seem to find it in the help all output. what is the name of that command?
2014-03-21 19:12 <nebadon2> though if its using the HG address, then it would be the grid IP
2014-03-21 19:13 <velus> nebadon2: it i9s the server ip address
2014-03-21 19:13 <nebadon2> but generally it doesnt use IP for HG it uses FQDN
2014-03-21 19:13 <nebadon2> ok, that is odd
2014-03-21 19:14 <velus> yeah i know but i was wondeinr if this is the region ip witrh it being region based though
2014-03-21 19:15 <Melanie_T> velus: it's the region ip
2014-03-21 19:15 <Melanie_T> it's for security purposes
2014-03-21 19:15 <Melanie_T> as a user can't do things unless they are in a region
2014-03-21 19:15 <velus> ok hmmm is there a way of getting round that so i can have onlien payments 
2014-03-21 19:16 <Melanie_T> that is if you're talking about the money module tables
2014-03-21 19:16 <velus> yes the balances
2014-03-21 19:16 <Melanie_T> what do youmean by "online payments"
2014-03-21 19:16 <velus> as in have them be able to pay while on the site and not the viewer
2014-03-21 19:17 <Plugh> We need a way to search commands available at the console
2014-03-21 19:17 <Melanie_T> the opencurrency module is a fully self-contained, artificial currency
2014-03-21 19:17 <Melanie_T> anything you want to do beyond what it does will require additional coding
2014-03-21 19:17 <nebadon2> you can type help all Plugh
2014-03-21 19:17 <nebadon2> it gives you 1 big list
2014-03-21 19:17 <Melanie_T> the module as such allows enough flexibility to do all that in PHP
2014-03-21 19:17 <velus> yes but the helper.php land.php and currency.php will allow it
2014-03-21 19:17 <Plugh> I know and I still can't find what I want.
2014-03-21 19:17 <nebadon2> I dont see anything like what your saying though
2014-03-21 19:17 <nebadon2> only thing i see is "show stats all"
2014-03-21 19:17 <nebadon2> but its not a toggle
2014-03-21 19:17 <Melanie_T> as there are XMLRPC calls to the region to update a user's shown ba;ance
2014-03-21 19:18 <Plugh> sometimes help all isn't good because the list scrolls off the top of the screen.
2014-03-21 19:18 <velus> ok so will that be in the currecny script?
2014-03-21 19:18 <Melanie_T> Plugh: so you scroll it back down :)
2014-03-21 19:18 <Plugh> This is windows. It sometimes scrolls to much you can't get it back.
2014-03-21 19:18 <velus> the currency.php?
2014-03-21 19:18 <Melanie_T> velus: the currency module and php is as it is
2014-03-21 19:18 <Melanie_T> it is not a complete grid opertion with website support
2014-03-21 19:18 <Melanie_T> you have to add these parts
2014-03-21 19:19 <Melanie_T> but the c# module gives you all the tools that are needed
2014-03-21 19:19 <velus> yes i know and the currency.php will that do calls to see the balance?
2014-03-21 19:20 <Plugh> sheesh. Finally found it. debug stats record start|stop
2014-03-21 19:20 <nebadon2> nice
2014-03-21 19:22 <velus> ok Melanie_T looking though the helper.php and land and currency in order for it to work in my site i will need to change a lot of it like the db connections and such, i will have to do this cos i use pdo and the site redux does it in mysql_ which is out of date
2014-03-21 19:22 <Melanie_T> obviously
2014-03-21 19:22 <velus> yeah
2014-03-21 19:23 <Plugh> I have a region that crashes frequently and have no idea why. No physical prims. No prims outside the normal region boundaries. Nothing on top collisions. Nothing on top scripts.
2014-03-21 19:23 <Plugh> Stats look good. Dilation of 1. FPS of 54 and PhysFPS around 53/54
2014-03-21 19:26 <Plugh> Now I have to run this OpenSim as with administrative priveleges or it can't seem to access the network.
2014-03-21 19:29 <nebadon2> that is odd, should never have to do that
2014-03-21 19:30 <Plugh> I usually don't have to. This region won't start if I don't.
2014-03-21 19:31 <velus> hmmmm Melanie_T it looks like when ever i set up the login i need it to go into precence and set up some info in there too hmmmm ok
2014-03-21 19:33 <nebadon2> Plugh, it sounds like maybe a permissions issue though that would be very odd in Windows, sounds more like a linux issue
2014-03-21 19:34 <nebadon2> like maybe Administrator owns one of the dlls or something
2014-03-21 19:34 <nebadon2> or perms are set wrong on a dll
2014-03-21 19:35 <nebadon2> maybe it was compiled by one user but being run by another?
2014-03-21 19:37 <Plugh> I just rebuilt the instance and it seems ok. Windows Server perms on files/programs are weird. I try to have the grid admin program start the processes but it won't without changes to the program perms.
2014-03-21 19:38 <Plugh> Same user but compiled on a different machine.
2014-03-21 19:42 <Plugh> No idea if the additional stats being saved will help. I just have to sit back and wait for it to crash again.
2014-03-21 19:45 <Plugh> This region that keeps crashing only has 1571 prims in it. Running with OpenSim.exe under 64-bit version of Windows Server. Plenty of memory available and region doesn't even come close to 2G of RAM usage.
2014-03-21 19:46 <Dev_Random> blame the hardware
2014-03-21 19:46 <Plugh> I would if it was the only region on the server.
2014-03-21 19:47 <Plugh> I think I will have to load an oar of the region in to a test region where I can start deleting prims until is stops crashing.
2014-03-21 19:48 <Sked> Hello
2014-03-21 19:49 <Sked> can anyone tell me what to put in Event Category in db
2014-03-21 19:49 <Plugh> 
ACTION pulls up the database structure for the events table.

2014-03-21 19:49 <Sked> tnx
2014-03-21 19:49 <velus> jakdaniels_: you about
2014-03-21 19:50 <Sked> can you show me example of it
2014-03-21 19:50 <Sked> i mean one line in events db
2014-03-21 19:50 <velus> where is the event cat in the db?
2014-03-21 19:51 <Sked> i have it in ossearch db tables
2014-03-21 19:51 <velus> oh i dont have ossearch yet
2014-03-21 19:51 <velus> im going to do that soon 
2014-03-21 19:51 <Sked> ok
2014-03-21 19:51 <Plugh> Sked: The category field is a number. Give me a second to extract the numbers for the different categories.
2014-03-21 19:51 <velus> sked you still working on the website?
2014-03-21 19:51 <Sked> yes
2014-03-21 19:51 <jakdaniels_> velus : I am, but I'm not, at the same time ;-)
2014-03-21 19:52 <velus> cool cool so am i 
2014-03-21 19:52 <Sked> do you have mybe any example of this numbers
2014-03-21 19:52 <velus> ok jakdaniels_ did you get my email the other day?
2014-03-21 19:52 <velus> i dont sorry not yet
2014-03-21 19:52 <velus> Sked: you want to see my site in action atm 
2014-03-21 19:52 <jakdaniels_> yes velus I did, I had a quick look, but not long enough to make any useful comments t this time
2014-03-21 19:52 <Sked> ok
2014-03-21 19:52 <velus> ok im still working on it 
2014-03-21 19:53 <Sked> did you manage to work register
2014-03-21 19:54 <velus> Sked: go to http://velusuniverse.com and use the user name alan johnston
2014-03-21 19:54 <Sked> ok
2014-03-21 19:54 <velus> password we9529xn
2014-03-21 19:54 <velus> had to daouble check the pw then sorry lol 
2014-03-21 19:55 <Sked> nice work velus
2014-03-21 19:56 <velus> ty iom still working on it more 
2014-03-21 19:56 <Sked> its good site
2014-03-21 19:56 <velus> im also doing little checks and such
2014-03-21 19:56 <velus> ty 
2014-03-21 19:56 <Plugh> Sked: 27: Arts and Culture, 28: Charity Support Groups, 22: Commercial, 18: Discussion, 26: Education, 24: Games/Contests, 20: Live Music, 29: Miscellaneous, 23: Nightlife Entertainment, 25: Pageants, 19: Sports
2014-03-21 19:56 <Sked> tnx Plugh
2014-03-21 19:56 <Plugh> yw
2014-03-21 19:57 <velus> yeah tnx Plugh i will need this for when i get started on ossearch
2014-03-21 19:57 <Plugh> what are you going to do with ossearch?
2014-03-21 19:57 <velus> sked have you checked out account -> profile?
2014-03-21 19:58 <Sked> yes
2014-03-21 19:58 <velus> what do you think it still needs some work but its getting there
2014-03-21 19:59 <Plugh> Sked, velus: The README file I created for ossearch some time ago has the category information in it.
2014-03-21 19:59 <Sked> wow tnx
2014-03-21 20:00 <Sked> i will read
2014-03-21 20:00 <velus> also if you need help with the profile nmasks i can help you with that 
2014-03-21 20:00 <Sked> and wich .dll file work 
2014-03-21 20:00 <Sked> search
2014-03-21 20:00 <Sked> because i have one and dont work
2014-03-21 20:00 <Plugh> velus: I've been working on the ossearch module. I don't see anything missing. If something is missing or not working right, file a report in the forge tracking system.
2014-03-21 20:00 <Sked> some part work and some dont
2014-03-21 20:00 <Sked> where can i dowload it
2014-03-21 20:01 <velus> ??? i havent started on the osssearch yet i am on about os profile the core one
2014-03-21 20:01 <Plugh> There are two options for profiles. The addon osprofile module and core (built-in) profile module.
2014-03-21 20:01 <velus> yeah im using core 
2014-03-21 20:01 <Sked> i mean for ossearch.dll file
2014-03-21 20:02 <Plugh> ok. I've not done anything with core profile stuff recently.
2014-03-21 20:02 <velus> but then the masks are the same for them both 
2014-03-21 20:02 <velus> profiles is working fine i am on about the db seciton to help people who have a site or creating one in php
2014-03-21 20:02 <Plugh> If you are using the addon ossearch module make sure you have a recent copy of the code.
2014-03-21 20:03 <velus> i will
2014-03-21 20:03 <velus> Melanie_T: does the currency work with the 0.8-dev?
2014-03-21 20:04 <Sked> Plugh where i can download last release of osseach.dll file
2014-03-21 20:04 <Sked> wich work on v0.7.6.1
2014-03-21 20:05 <Plugh> It is in the forge repository -> http://forge.opensimulator.org/gf/project/ossearch/
2014-03-21 20:05 <Sked> ok tnx
2014-03-21 20:06 <Plugh> yw
2014-03-21 20:06 <Plugh> velus: A while ago I finished off the last part of ossearch so it could handle events and classifieds.
2014-03-21 20:06 <Plugh> That was the last missing piece of the module.
2014-03-21 20:06 <velus> ok 
2014-03-21 20:06 <velus> im not the one asking about ossearch 
2014-03-21 20:07 <velus> but i will be needing it soon
2014-03-21 20:09 <Plugh> I was working on a page to create event listings. I need to work on the parcel selection. I want to select the region then the parcel in the region.
2014-03-21 20:10 <velus> ok that in php?
2014-03-21 20:10 <Plugh> yes
2014-03-21 20:11 <velus> do you need help? 
2014-03-21 20:11 <Plugh> I have it working but I need to work on cleaning up the region selection.
2014-03-21 20:11 <velus> is the db search going to be in pdo or mysql_
2014-03-21 20:13 <Plugh> I haven't used PDO. I usually go with mysqli.
2014-03-21 20:14 <Plugh> Not sure exactly what I used with what I have. It was more proof of concept so I could test whether event markers would show on the map.
2014-03-21 20:14 <velus> ok
2014-03-21 20:15 <Plugh> The tricky part is being able to edit events.
2014-03-21 20:15 <Plugh> I ran in to an issue with how events were saved that complicates the update process. It might need an extra field to simplify the process of being able to properly show the previously selected region/parcel.
2014-03-21 20:16 <velus> ok send me the code you have and the class for the db and ill look into it for you
2014-03-21 20:16 <Plugh> velus: If you want to look at it I will have to package up the files after I strip it of some private information.
2014-03-21 20:16 <velus> yeah thats fine
2014-03-21 20:29 <Sked> Plugh i see that my db of ossearch "parcels" is empty
2014-03-21 20:29 <Sked> how can i test that search work?
2014-03-21 20:30 <Plugh> Yes, the table will be empty until you have your grid running and you run the parser.php script.
2014-03-21 20:30 <Sked> i have it
2014-03-21 20:30 <Sked> and run it with cron
2014-03-21 20:31 <Plugh> You need to configure the datasnapshot section and you also need to mark some parcels to show in search.
2014-03-21 20:31 <Sked> i have
2014-03-21 20:31 <Sked> put in where to find register.php fil
2014-03-21 20:31 <Sked> file
2014-03-21 20:31 <Plugh> ok then it will populate the database if you have the ossearch module configured.
2014-03-21 20:32 <Sked> but i have region on 2nd server then robust
2014-03-21 20:32 <Sked> is this mybe problem
2014-03-21 20:32 <Plugh> Sked: Do you have entries in your hostsregister table used by ossearch?
2014-03-21 20:32 <Sked> i have
2014-03-21 20:33 <Sked> some  line fill in
2014-03-21 20:33 <Sked> but others are empty
2014-03-21 20:33 <Sked> db tables i mean
2014-03-21 20:34 <Plugh> It should have entries for each instance of OpenSim in your setup
2014-03-21 20:34 <Sked> yes i have in hostsregister table
2014-03-21 20:35 <Sked> but all others tables are empty
2014-03-21 20:35 <Plugh> ok. Sounds like you have set data_services to point to the register.php file.
2014-03-21 20:35 <Plugh> The other tables are filled in from the datasnapshot information when parser.php runs.
2014-03-21 20:36 <Plugh> if data_exposure is set to minimum only those regions/parcels/objects set for search will get put in the various database tables.
2014-03-21 20:36 <Sked> so i must put parser.php in datasnapshot and not register.php
2014-03-21 20:38 <Plugh> No. register.php is used by datasnapshot. parser.php is run manually or using a cron job.
2014-03-21 20:39 <Sked> ok
2014-03-21 20:39 <Sked> sorry i am confused now
2014-03-21 20:39 <Plugh> parser.php uses the hostsregister table to connect to the running instances, retrieve the information created by the datasnapshot module, parses it, then puts what it finds in various tables that will later be used by the search module.
2014-03-21 20:39 <Sked> so what i must do now
2014-03-21 20:40 <Plugh> Make sure you have items set to show in search.
2014-03-21 20:40 <Plugh> You do that inworld.
2014-03-21 20:40 <velus> plough have you zipped it up with the db sql with some dummy data in it?
2014-03-21 20:41 <Sked> i have set "Show Place in Search" inworld long time ago and i dont see it in db?
2014-03-21 20:41 <Plugh> If you have data_exposure set to "minimum" items must be marked to show in search. If you have it set to all, all items will show up.
2014-03-21 20:42 <Sked> o i see then this is problem
2014-03-21 20:43 <Plugh> I use minimum as I only want items marked for search to be found by the snapshot module.
2014-03-21 20:43 <Plugh> btw, you do have index_sims in [DataSnapshot] set to true?
2014-03-21 20:44 <Sked> yes
2014-03-21 20:44 <velus> Plugh: have you zipped it up with the db sql with some dummy data in it?
2014-03-21 20:44 <Plugh> ok, and a reasonable value for default_snapshot_period? It is number of seconds between updates for the snapshot data.
2014-03-21 20:44 <Sked> 1200
2014-03-21 20:45 <Plugh> ok. 20 minutes.
2014-03-21 20:45 <Sked> so in 20 min will be updated
2014-03-21 20:46 <Plugh> velus: I was only going to pass the code. The database stuff you have. Dummy data would not be of any use to you.
2014-03-21 20:46 <velus> i dont have asatm as i havent installed it yet
2014-03-21 20:48 <Plugh> Sked: If you want to test things, look at the hostsregister table. Use a URL in a web browser of the form -> http://host-ip-address:portnumber/?method=collector
2014-03-21 20:48 <Plugh> Sked: That will show you the data available to the parser.php file.
2014-03-21 20:49 <Sked> why my region crash with this search dll file: forge.opensimulator.org/gf/project/ossearch/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2F%2Acheckout%2A%2Ftrunk%2Fbin%2FOpenSimSearch.Modules.dll
2014-03-21 20:49 <Plugh> Don't know. What version of OpenSim are you running?
2014-03-21 20:50 <Plugh> What I have up in forge is for OpenSim 0.7.6-post-fixes branch.
2014-03-21 20:50 <Sked> 7.6.1 one
2014-03-21 20:50 <Plugh> What error did it give?
2014-03-21 20:51 <Sked> sec
2014-03-21 20:52 <Sked> http://pastebin.com/XGRULamx
2014-03-21 20:53 <Plugh> Hm... What version of mono do you have on the machine?
2014-03-21 20:53 <Plugh> err... what version of .NET
2014-03-21 20:54 <Plugh> IIRC, when I'm building, the code is configured to generate code for use under .NET 4
2014-03-21 20:54 <Sked> i use mono
2014-03-21 20:54 <Plugh> Previously it used to be for .NET 3.5
2014-03-21 20:54 <Sked> o i see
2014-03-21 20:54 <Sked> then i must make my own
2014-03-21 20:54 <Plugh> ok. Linux user. Same here. I'm using mono 2.10.8
2014-03-21 20:55 <Sked> Mono JIT compiler version 3.0.6 
2014-03-21 20:55 <Sked> i have suse 13.1
2014-03-21 20:56 <Plugh> ok. You may need to ask one of the other developers about using the different version of Mono. I don't have 3 on my machine.
2014-03-21 20:56 <Sked> ok
2014-03-21 20:56 <Plugh> velus: Are you using Windows or Linux?
2014-03-21 20:56 <Sked> what if  i make my own .dll file
2014-03-21 20:56 <Sked> compile?
2014-03-21 20:57 <Plugh> Sked: If you can do that, that would be your best bet in case the difference in compile environments is an issue.
2014-03-21 20:57 <Sked> and how do i do this?
2014-03-21 20:58 <Sked> well ?method=collector work for me
2014-03-21 20:58 <Sked> i get info on browser
2014-03-21 20:58 <Plugh> Copy the OpenSimSearch directory and its contents to the addon-modules directory of your OpenSim source tree.
2014-03-21 20:59 <Plugh> Then rerun prebuild then compile.
2014-03-21 20:59 <Plugh> It will generate OpenSim and the search module dll file
2014-03-21 20:59 <Sked> ok tnx
2014-03-21 20:59 <Plugh> yw
2014-03-21 21:00 <Plugh> Sked: If you look at the ?method=collector page you will be able to see what regions/parcels and objects are showing. Running parser should then place that data in to the appropriate tables. Make sure parser.php has access to the configuration information so it can access the database tables.
2014-03-21 21:01 <Sked> ok
2014-03-21 21:01 <Plugh> Sked: You can run parser.php manually from a Linux command line -> php parser.php
2014-03-21 21:01 <Sked> awsome
2014-03-21 21:02 <Plugh> Note, it will only update the database if it has been more than 20 minutes since you last ran the php file. If you want to force it to run modify the conditions at the bottom of parser.php or change the last run columns in the hostsregister table.
2014-03-21 21:03 <Plugh> Sked: ie. set the 'checked' field to 0.
2014-03-21 21:03 <Sked> ok
2014-03-21 21:03 <Plugh> and the nextcheck
2014-03-21 21:04 <Plugh> nextcheck is a timestamp saying when it was last checked.
2014-03-21 21:04 <Plugh> Sked: I usually just change the parser.php file when i want to guarantee it runs.
2014-03-21 21:04 <Sked> ok
2014-03-21 21:04 <Plugh> Which approach you use will depend on the number of regions you have for it to process.
2014-03-21 21:04 <Sked> woho
2014-03-21 21:05 <Sked> my db is filed up when i use manual command
2014-03-21 21:05 <Plugh> ok. Check your cron job. Perhaps you haven't got the right 'cd' command or include full path to the file to run.
2014-03-21 21:06 <Sked> but i see in log file that run
2014-03-21 21:06 <Sked> i add this line in [Search] : Module = "OpenSimSearch";
2014-03-21 21:06 <Plugh> Copy/paste the command you have in your cron file to the command line and see what happens.
2014-03-21 21:06 <Sked> mybe this was my problem
2014-03-21 21:06 <Sked> ok
2014-03-21 21:07 <Plugh> Plugh: Do it from somewhere other than where the files are located so it has to use any 'cd' or search path you include in the cron job command line.
2014-03-21 21:07 <Sked>   0 */2 * * * root /home/my folder/search/parser.php >> /dev/null 2>&1
2014-03-21 21:07 <Sked> i have this in my cron
2014-03-21 21:08 <Plugh> PHP files are not normally executable. You need to tell it to run that file using php.
2014-03-21 21:08 <Plugh> ie. -> php /path/to/file/parser.php
2014-03-21 21:09 <Sked> 0 */2 * * * root php /home/my folder/search/parser.php >> /dev/null 2>&1
2014-03-21 21:09 <Plugh> and you can redirect the output of that to /dev/null
2014-03-21 21:09 <Sked> like this
2014-03-21 21:09 <Plugh> right. 
2014-03-21 21:09 <Sked> tnx
2014-03-21 21:09 <Plugh> yw
2014-03-21 21:10 <Plugh> velus: Get back to me later. I need to know if you can take a tarball or if I need to create a zip file.
2014-03-21 21:10 <Plugh> Its getting late. I'm going afk to go for a walk before dinner time.
2014-03-21 21:11 <Plugh> bbl
2014-03-21 21:11 <Sked> i will go to bed too its late for me
2014-03-21 21:11 <Sked> tnx guys
2014-03-21 21:12 <Sked> night
2014-03-21 21:20 <velus> sorry Plugh i went for a chat with a friend, and yeah i am running my pc on windows and the system that is going down in like 10 mins is on windows but going over to linux
2014-03-21 21:20 <velus> but i can unzip anyfile
2014-03-21 21:33 <velus> lkalif: you about and awake?
2014-03-21 21:33 <velus> and maybe Melanie_T 
2014-03-21 21:34 <lkalif> what's up?
2014-03-21 21:34 <velus> you know in the viewer when it does all the currecny parts, does it call to the php or does it call to the server its self?
2014-03-21 21:35 <velus> im looking at the php for the curenccy like the help.php and the curency etc and im wondering where that bits like $agenid $sessionid and such come from im wondering if that is from the server viewer or somethign else?
2014-03-21 21:39 <lkalif> agentid is the uuid of the avatar
2014-03-21 21:39 <lkalif> session id is created on login
2014-03-21 21:39 <lkalif> currency symbol is setup in your opensim ini files
2014-03-21 21:39 <velus> i know that but in the helper.php and such it has variable like $sgentid and i wondered where it got them from
2014-03-21 21:40 <lkalif> i don't know that code
2014-03-21 21:47 <velus> its ok i think i found it out now
2014-03-21 21:56 <osmantis> Bug #7071:04 Persist console command history after an OpenSim.exe restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7071 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2014-03-21 22:14 <Plugh> oh, velus logs out just as I was about to ask how/where to send the file.
2014-03-21 22:15 <velus> Melanie_T: 
2014-03-21 22:15 <velus> you about?
2014-03-21 22:23 <velus>  lkalif do you know about the currency module?
2014-03-21 23:16 <H-H-H> bk
2014-03-21 23:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #3390 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-21 23:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3390: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3390/
2014-03-21 23:22 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Mantis 6922: No particles are generated if their size exceeds the maximum allowed size.
2014-03-21 23:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #3391 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-21 23:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3391: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3391/
2014-03-21 23:34 <osjenkins> jjustincc: rename prefix of scene-inventory.<scene-name>.ProcessedFetchInventoryRequests and QueuedFetchInventoryRequests to inventory.httpfetch.*
2014-03-22 00:03 <Plugh> justincc: Check your PMs
2014-03-22 00:07 <justincc> k, thanks
2014-03-22 00:08 <velus> justincc: you abot still?
2014-03-22 00:08 <velus> oh and lkalif 
2014-03-22 00:08 <justincc> ye-ess, though the number of things I'm doing simultaneously has suddenly doubled
2014-03-22 00:10 <velus> ok its fine it was just a general question, does the viewer hash the passwoord or does it send it to the server in plain text and the server hashes it to check it?
2014-03-22 00:10 <justincc> plaintext I believe
2014-03-22 00:10 <velus> ok thought so
2014-03-22 00:11 <velus> im thinking of getting help with the system to make the password more secure have it hash and salt in a crypto instead of md5(md5(..... for security, but for my own server only 
2014-03-22 00:14 <justincc> that should be fine.  Really, some of the stuff opensim is doing on hashing is non-sensical as far as I can see, but it doesn't do any  harm
2014-03-22 00:15 <velus> yeah i know i was thinking security more than anything
2014-03-22 00:15 <justincc> At the back of my mind, I think there is a way to do initial login over https but I've never looked at that area in depth
2014-03-22 00:15 <velus> if i can get someything stanard in php and c# i might send it as a pacth but i will need to find alll the hashing parts for the password
2014-03-22 00:16 <justincc> The md5 is salted so it can't be busted with a rainbow table, but I don't know how generally secure md5 is nowadays really
2014-03-22 00:17 <osmantis> Bug #7072:04 [PATCH] Allow Mono Plugin Registry location setting for Regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7072 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-22 00:17 <Plugh> Each avatar gets a different salt so getting a list of hashed passwords is of little use in trying to break the passwords.
2014-03-22 00:17 <velus> its not secure when i was getting help with alittle of it i was told md5 is insure for passwords no more
2014-03-22 00:18 <Plugh> If true, a person still needs to have both the hashed password and the salt.
2014-03-22 00:18 <osmantis> Bug #7072:04 [PATCH] Allow Mono Plugin Registry location setting for Regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7072 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-03-22 00:24 <Plugh> velus: Did you say you can handle a tar.gz file or would you prefer .zip?
2014-03-22 00:24 <velus> either or 
2014-03-22 00:24 <velus> i have many de zippers
2014-03-22 00:26 <justincc> Dev_Random: So, I would be tempted to put RegistryLocation in OpenSimDefaults.ini as very few people will want to change it and we try (!) to keep OpenSim.ini.example down to the most relevant settings
2014-03-22 00:26 <Dev_Random> alrighty then.. .assumed that file was for you core types only
2014-03-22 00:27 <justincc> or do you anticipate this might be relevant to quite a few people?  Personally, I think stuffing everything in the world in bin/ is really dumb, but it's very hard to change
2014-03-22 00:27 <justincc> Dev_Random: no, OpenSimDefaults.ini is the file for settings that the vast majority of people don't need to change
2014-03-22 00:27 <Dev_Random> I don't know.  I know the topic of spewing to bin was being discussed here the other day.
2014-03-22 00:28 <Dev_Random> I'll update my patch.
2014-03-22 00:28 <justincc> ok, thanks.  Other than that, looks good t ome
2014-03-22 00:29 <H-H-H> thats why i put the dwell module stuff in opensimdefaults
2014-03-22 00:31 <osmantis> Bug #6922:04 No particles are generated if their size exceeds the maximum allowed size 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6922 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-22 00:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #3392 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-22 00:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3392: SUCCESS in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3392/
2014-03-22 00:37 <osjenkins> jjustincc: If an object has it's temporary flag unset after being set, put it back in the persistence list.
2014-03-22 00:40 <velus> ok justincc i seen in the notes that the viewer sends a md5 of the password to check if its correct so bcrypting it cant work then inless i bcrypt the md5 virsion of the pass
2014-03-22 00:40 <justincc> hm ok
2014-03-22 00:41 <velus> wel that is what it says in the nootes 
2014-03-22 00:41 <justincc> what notes are they?
2014-03-22 00:43 <velus> UserProflieData.cs line 77
2014-03-22 00:44 <justincc> that's opensim's internal storage afaik
2014-03-22 00:44 <justincc> oh sorry, not reading
2014-03-22 00:45 <velus> ??
2014-03-22 00:49 <velus> justincc: all i see is comments about it i cant see where it atually hashes the password could that be in a .dll file?
2014-03-22 00:50 <justincc> yes you're right, we do just get the hash
2014-03-22 00:50 <velus> yeah 
2014-03-22 00:51 <justincc> the auth is done in OpenSim/Services/AuthenticationService/PasswordAuthentiactionService.Authenticate()
2014-03-22 00:51 <velus> ok well ill look at bcyrpting the md5 hash
2014-03-22 00:52 <justincc> ah, now I understand why we do what lokos like some unecessary double hashing on the service
2014-03-22 00:53 <justincc> surface
2014-03-22 00:54 <osmantis> Bug #7072:04 [PATCH] Allow Mono Plugin Registry location setting for Regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7072 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-22 00:58 <velus> justincc: where does it create it ? the same place as authinticate where you said
2014-03-22 00:59 <justincc> no, annoyingly this is done in a different place.  OpenSim/Services/AuthenticationService/AuthenticationServiceBase.SetPassword()
2014-03-22 01:03 <velus> yeah i see now hmm ill look into that now and see what i can do about the password and securing it more. but the next problem will be migrating allready pass hash to the new one
2014-03-22 01:05 <Plugh> Unless you do some other encrypting on top of the md5/md5, I don't know how you could migrate existing hash/salt based passwords.
2014-03-22 01:05 <velus> yeah thats what ik thought
2014-03-22 01:13 <velus> Plugh: justincc in order to do this it would need a lot of work as i would need to also beed to update the db and leagnthen the has lengnth in the db from 32 to 60+
2014-03-22 01:13 <justincc> yeah, it's not a trivial task
2014-03-22 01:13 <velus> for someone like me it owuld be very
2014-03-22 01:14 <Plugh> oh, that's switching to something like sha256?
2014-03-22 01:14 <justincc> from scatch it's simple.  It's migrations that's a pain
2014-03-22 01:14 <Plugh> indeed
2014-03-22 01:14 <velus> yeah i kow 
2014-03-22 01:14 <velus> and no it wouldnt be sha256 it would be crypt
2014-03-22 01:14 <velus> or bycrypt
2014-03-22 01:27 <zadark> Earlier today comments from nebandon2 and Dev_Random suggest AppDomainLoading = false .. but the current default config  AppDomainLoading  = true .. what do you mean?
2014-03-22 01:29 <justincc> if AppDomainLoading = true, then every script is loaded into its own AppDomain
2014-03-22 01:30 <justincc> this allows the memory to be freed if they are later unloaded.  However, at least on Mono, putting each script into its own AppDomain is also many times slower and takes more memory
2014-03-22 01:30 <Dev_Random> I think that comment was about "IF" it's set to false.
2014-03-22 01:31 <justincc> ideally, we need a setting that compromises between the two (e.g. loads all scripts already in region objects at startup into a single appdomain as they are unlikely to change but loads scripts associated with avatar attachments into separate appdomains so memory can be reclaimed when they leave the region).
2014-03-22 01:33 <Ken_S> For some reason Windows doesnt like AppDomainLoading=false
2014-03-22 01:34 <osmantis> Bug #7072:04 [PATCH] Allow Mono Plugin Registry location setting for Regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7072 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-22 01:34 <velus> justincc: do you know much about the currency module? im wondering about the balance table in it you have uuid@regionip, if you have muliple regions on different ips how would it check the ip? or dont you know?
2014-03-22 01:34 <justincc> velus: I know pretty much nothing about any of the third party currency modules
2014-03-22 01:34 <velus> ok
2014-03-22 01:34 <zadark> Noted jcc, however there appears to be a underliying issue with GC and memory management in general, especially MS platform. 
2014-03-22 01:35 <velus> i guess it will have to be Melanie_T 
2014-03-22 01:35 <justincc> zadark: really?  I would expect ms .net to have the edge in that
2014-03-22 01:35 <Dev_Random> just scanning files.  looks like osgrid releases have appdomain=false by default
2014-03-22 01:37 <dahlia> zadark: I've found major GC failure crashes in mono but never any memory failures at all on .NET
2014-03-22 01:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #3393 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-22 01:39 <velus> bnrb all im gonna get some sleep 
2014-03-22 01:39 <justincc> goodnight velus
2014-03-22 01:41 <zadark> jcc dahlia, noted. we have found something more noticeable with the MS platform
2014-03-22 01:42 <dahlia> interesting... but I have code that causes severe GC leaks on mono but works flawlessly on .NET. Mono peeps think it's a bug in mono runtime libs
2014-03-22 01:42 <osmantis> Bug #7072:04 [PATCH] Allow Mono Plugin Registry location setting for Regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7072 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-22 01:43 <dahlia> could be different bug than what you are seeing tho
2014-03-22 01:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3393: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3393/
2014-03-22 01:43 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Rename SOG.InSceneBackup to CanBeBackedUp to reflect its actual functionality.
2014-03-22 01:44 <justincc> ok, time for me to rest.  Goodnight folks.
2014-03-22 01:44 <zadark> dahlia: anything specific with the the libs being used, out of the ordinary? sorry my typing is slow
2014-03-22 01:45 <dahlia> is repeatable across several mono versions ranging from 2.4ish to 3.1ish, havent tried later
2014-03-22 01:46 <dahlia> has to do with creating zillions of small objects and then dereferencing them
2014-03-22 01:46 <dahlia> the mem is never recovered
2014-03-22 01:47 <zadark> Under the current config I can understand with the MS platform, but not mono.. though our mono measurements  have not been fully assest
2014-03-22 01:47 <osmantis> Bug #7060:04 Objects rezzed on the region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7060 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-22 01:58 <zadark> Ken_S: Do you invoke opensim using OpenSim.32BitLaunch or OpenSim?
2014-03-22 01:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #3394 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-22 02:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3394: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3394/
2014-03-22 02:02 <osjenkins> * melanie: Allow Mono Plugin Registry setting for Regions
2014-03-22 02:02 <osjenkins> * melanie: Allow the setting from the environment to take effect if no explicit setting is given.
2014-03-22 02:46 <Dev_Random> Melanie_T: I'm afraid my earlier commit will still bork your setup using MONO_ADDINS_REGISTRY.
2014-03-22 02:47 <Dev_Random> With no directory specified, OpenSimBase calls PluginLoader(PluginInitialiserBase), which calls initialise_plugin_dir_("."), which in turn calls clear_registry_(".").
2014-03-22 02:47 <Dev_Random> The clear_registry function tests Directory.Exists(dir + "/addin-db-000") where it used to test Directory.Exists("addin-db-000").
2014-03-22 02:48 <Dev_Random> This would have worked fine with the environment setting before my change. but it will now be looking explicitly for ./addin-db-000.
2014-03-22 02:48 <zadark> Bit like the made up 'IF'
2014-03-22 02:49 <Dev_Random> is WHEN better?
2014-03-22 02:50 <zadark> Best to say NOTHING
2014-03-22 02:51 <Dev_Random> sorry if I offended you zadark.   I was trying to recall the conversation you were referencing.  
2014-03-22 02:51 <osmantis> Bug #6983:04 Private Vivox voice calls no longer work with opensim and Singularity since about 076 opensim release 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6983 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-22 02:52 <Dev_Random> now I am trying to mitigate the damage from a patch of mine that Melanie_T applied.
2014-03-22 02:53 <zadark> dahlia: We believe under the current config and specific conditions, object recovery is impossible.
2014-03-22 02:54 <dahlia> zadark: by "object recovery" do you mean garbage collecting unreferenced objects?
2014-03-22 02:57 <zadark> Sorry dahlia, let me relay your query to colleagues, in short what we are saying is GC is not working
2014-03-22 02:57 <dahlia> on .NET?
2014-03-22 02:57 <dahlia> interesting
2014-03-22 02:57 <zadark> especially .NET.. compunded by .NET 4
2014-03-22 02:58 <zadark> compunded
2014-03-22 02:58 <dahlia> "works for me"(tm) but it sometimes taks a while
2014-03-22 02:58 <dahlia> but make sure you dont have a dangling reference somewhere
2014-03-22 02:59 <zadark> works for me? what are you using to measure?
2014-03-22 03:00 <dahlia> well I create several gb of objects and watch memory grow, then delete them and watch it shrink. "show stats" in opensim console has some memory displays, or you can use resource manager
2014-03-22 03:01 <dahlia> but you cant force GC, you can only suggest it; and the system does it when it feels like it
2014-03-22 03:01 <dahlia> for both mono and .net
2014-03-22 03:07 <zadark> It can be difficult to distinguish between the memory GC reserves in order to process redundant objects and the removal of the object themselselves without speicaist monitoring tools.
2014-03-22 03:08 <zadark> should note also that clr2 and clr4 use differnet memory recovery criteria
2014-03-22 03:08 <zadark> Opensim uses a combination of both
2014-03-22 03:09 <dahlia> oh well if the process is only a couple mb and then goes to 2 gb when I create 2 gb of objects and then drops back to a couple mb when I free them, I assume GC worked :)
2014-03-22 03:10 <dahlia> on windows, I create 2 gb, free it, create again, free it, ..., watch mem go up and down. On mono, it goes 2gb, 4gb, 6gb, CRASH. same code
2014-03-22 03:10 <zadark> Complex subject, not sure how we arrived here, origianally I was interested with appdomain functionality as per observed. 
2014-03-22 03:13 <dahlia> zadark: if you mean the appdomain stuff associated with scripting, ask Melanie_T when she's around
2014-03-22 03:14 <AllenKerensky> I've always run with AppDomainLoading = true on Fedora Linux with Mono 2.4-2.10 and never had a problem
2014-03-22 03:15 <AllenKerensky> but most people have a big memory hit with AppDomainLoading = true and turn it off
2014-03-22 03:15 <zadark> dahlia, noted.
2014-03-22 03:16 <AllenKerensky> but my regions are mostly empty which helps
2014-03-22 03:25 <Melanie_T> zadark: i'm around
2014-03-22 03:26 <zadark> Evening Melanie_T
2014-03-22 03:27 <zadark> What is your interpretation on AppDomain?
2014-03-22 03:27 <Melanie_T> Dev_Random: that doesn't matter
2014-03-22 03:27 <Melanie_T> as that directory never exusts in a shared read only bin/ install, the delete is of no consequence
2014-03-22 03:27 <Melanie_T> it will be tried but simply do nothing
2014-03-22 03:28 <Melanie_T> fact is that the cache doesn't even need to be cleared - avination never clears it's caches
2014-03-22 03:28 <Melanie_T> the corruption ensued only from people running multiple instances of opensim in the same dir, and starting them near simultaneuously using scripts. that will corrupt the cache
2014-03-22 03:28 <Melanie_T> so as the code is now, it will work fine just like it used to
2014-03-22 03:29 <Melanie_T> zadark: In .net, assemblies cannot be unloaded
2014-03-22 03:29 <Melanie_T> so if you load a script, you're stuck with it holding on to it's code segment memory
2014-03-22 03:30 <Melanie_T> if you do rapid script development, saving the same script after edits 1000 times, that is 1000 copies of the successive object code, never releasable
2014-03-22 03:30 <Melanie_T> App Domains, howeverm can be unloaded
2014-03-22 03:30 <Melanie_T> if you load the scripts ito appdomains, then these appdomains can be unloaded
2014-03-22 03:30 <Melanie_T> the downside is that communication to app domains is based on remoting, which is slow compared to direct calling
2014-03-22 03:30 <Melanie_T> also, each app domain carries a memory overhead
2014-03-22 03:31 <Melanie_T> the balance is to be struck like this:
2014-03-22 03:31 <Melanie_T> If a sim can run wich app domains, then run it with them. it's safer
2014-03-22 03:31 <zadark> and, the AppDomainLoading  var controls this behaviour?
2014-03-22 03:32 <Melanie_T> if a sim cannot be run with app domains, then run it without. it will mean a lesser initial fottprint, but if the sim contains things like rez boxes , or development is done there, it will eventually bloat and crash if it has no app domains
2014-03-22 03:32 <Melanie_T> yes
2014-03-22 03:32 <Melanie_T> not using app domains means the sim will lose less memory per script - this means more scripts can be loaded
2014-03-22 03:33 <Melanie_T> it's suitable for static situations, e.g. sims that are fully built up and are only used, not extended. sims that don't have rezzers rezzing scripted objects (as that causes scripts to be loaded!) and that have no one saving scripts often
2014-03-22 03:33 <Melanie_T> using app domains is suitable for highly dynmic sitations - sims with rezzers and/or sims where development takes place
2014-03-22 03:34 <Melanie_T> you can start a sim with app domains, then switch to no app domains once it's done
2014-03-22 03:34 <Melanie_T> to save memory and gain a bit of speed
2014-03-22 03:34 <zadark> Good stuff. I need to understand to measure GC 
2014-03-22 03:36 <zadark> Thank you
2014-03-22 03:37 <Melanie_T> you're welcome
2014-03-22 03:38 <zadark> Excuse me now.. must get some zzz
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2014-03-22 08:05 <Wanderer_42> Hi. I started my server on a new pc. Same OS, same router, same konfig. Standalone works well. But i cannot tp in Grid: Connetion time out. The server-console doesn't show any login-message. any idea, what could be the cause ?
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2014-03-22 08:13 <MarcusLlew> Wanderer_42: Best guess, an IP address changed out from under you. Either your public IP, or your OpenSim's local IP.
2014-03-22 08:14 <Wanderer_42> i tested same config minutes ago with the other pc. it worked well. Please: can you try to tp there ?  The name is "TEST___1"
2014-03-22 08:15 <MarcusLlew> Sure. One moment.
2014-03-22 08:15 <Wanderer_42> thank you
2014-03-22 08:16 <MarcusLlew> Unable to connect to the remote server.
2014-03-22 08:16 <Wanderer_42> strange
2014-03-22 08:16 <Wanderer_42> firewall is configured the same as the other pc
2014-03-22 08:17 <nebadon2> maybe port forwarding on router?
2014-03-22 08:17 <Wanderer_42> i doesnt changed anything on the router
2014-03-22 08:17 <MarcusLlew> That's why I thought IP. Does your OpenSim machine have a static IP address?
2014-03-22 08:19 <Wanderer_42> i found something. i had the idea, it is not neccessary to look in the router-config. and now i see: portforwarding is set to the old pc
2014-03-22 08:19 <Wanderer_42> i try it now with the correct name. loool
2014-03-22 08:19 <MarcusLlew> 
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2014-03-22 08:22 <Wanderer_42> it works. Thank you. And without your hint with the router i had still no clue whats going on  :-)
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2014-03-22 12:00 <velus> hello all
2014-03-22 12:01 <velus> Melanie_T:  do you know much about the currency module? im wondering about the balance table in it you have uuid@regionip, if you have muliple regions on different ips how would it check the ip? or dont you know?
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2014-03-22 14:13 <velus> hey BlueWall hows you?
2014-03-22 14:16 <velus> hey BlueWall_ hows you?
2014-03-22 14:57 <osmantis> Bug #7071:04 Persist console command history after an OpenSim.exe restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7071 ): has been UPDATED.
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2014-03-22 15:47 <velus> anyone awake
2014-03-22 15:50 <velus> guessing not then lol
2014-03-22 15:54 <velus> hey nebadon2 
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2014-03-22 16:07 <nebadon_> hello velus
2014-03-22 16:53 <velus> BlueWall_: you about?
2014-03-22 17:03 <Thonneve> velus: I think the currency modules are all third party
2014-03-22 17:03 <velus> they are
2014-03-22 17:03 <Thonneve> I doubt Melanie would know how they work then, but i may be wrong
2014-03-22 17:04 <velus> she is working on them
2014-03-22 17:04 <Thonneve> Oh right
2014-03-22 17:10 <Plugh> Melanie would have her own currency module that is used in Avination.
2014-03-22 17:12 <Thonneve> Does melanie run avination?
2014-03-22 17:12 <Plugh> yes
2014-03-22 17:13 <Plugh> velus: There is a very basic framework of a currency module in the OpenSim source. If you want to deal with real world currency you have to do your own module or use one of the existing third party ones.
2014-03-22 17:15 <velus> yes i kow Plugh, Melanie_T has said she has worked on the currency module i just needed to know about something that is all
2014-03-22 17:15 <Thonneve> osgrid doesn't implement currency in any way does it?
2014-03-22 17:15 <Plugh> The usual thing around here is just ask. You never know who might be able to answer.
2014-03-22 17:15 <Plugh> Thonneve: Not AFAIK. They don't have an economy.
2014-03-22 17:15 <velus> Plugh: i have askled a few times and all of you have said ytou dont knpw
2014-03-22 17:15 <Plugh> osgrid is more a testing ground.
2014-03-22 17:16 <Plugh> velus: ok. I don't recall if I saw the question.
2014-03-22 17:16 <velus> oim
2014-03-22 17:16 <Thonneve> velus: What was the question?
2014-03-22 17:16 <Plugh> I have done some work on a currency module.
2014-03-22 17:18 <velus> in the balance table you have users as userid@ip i knoe the ip is the ip of the region but if i had several regions and different ip's how would it check for the useid? thats the bit that is confusing me, i need to know for doing the website side of things, i am jsut wondering if having several regions on several ips will confuse it to much?
2014-03-22 17:20 <Plugh> That doesn't sound right to have the user@ip in the table. That would be a problem. The balance should be for a given avatar by their UUID. The only time you need something more than the IP is if you are dealing with an HG enabled grid.
2014-03-22 17:20 <Plugh> more than the uuid
2014-03-22 17:21 <Plugh> velus: Which money module are you using?
2014-03-22 17:22 <velus> the dtl but will be goig over to the opensim currency module Melanie_T had told me the region ip is for security
2014-03-22 17:24 <Plugh> ok. you would have to see what the DTL/NSL people have to say about the use of the IP in the balance table. If the search queries of the DB do a LIKE test to pick up the entry matching the UUID they would be able to extract the IP address part and possibly use that as part of a security check. 
2014-03-22 17:24 <Plugh> Still seems a bit odd to me. The balance should be the balance anywhere in the grid. You can test that by going to a region on a different machine and see what happens.
2014-03-22 17:25 <velus> its not about how to get the data its more if i had several ip's would it confuse the system 
2014-03-22 17:25 <Plugh> I would think it would.
2014-03-22 17:25 <lkalif> ah, blender 2.7 is out
2014-03-22 17:25 <velus> me too but i need to check with Melanie_T 
2014-03-22 17:26 <velus> where about is the currency in the os its self?
2014-03-22 17:26 <velus> ill see what i can do with that
2014-03-22 17:29 <Plugh> I think it is called SampleCurrencyModule.
2014-03-22 17:29 <velus> is that in the core of os?
2014-03-22 17:30 <Plugh> Oh. It might have been removed from core as I don't see it now.
2014-03-22 17:30 <H-H-H> the NSL module does have problems with different ip,s as it uses your ip as part of its id mechanism so if you sign in from a different ip all your money is reset lol
2014-03-22 17:30 <velus> ok 
2014-03-22 17:30 <H-H-H> i found that one out by accident and am loo9king into a way to solve it myself
2014-03-22 17:31 <Plugh> H-H-H: Oh, so it isn't the IP of a region but the IP of the computer used to access the world?
2014-03-22 17:31 <velus> there is one that is the nsl for 7.6 it uses the ip of the region not your ip 
2014-03-22 17:31 <H-H-H> pain in the bum when your to lazy to set the system to use a static ip lol
2014-03-22 17:31 <Plugh> ok, that would make more sense.
2014-03-22 17:31 <Plugh> H-H-H: You may not have a choice about a static IP.
2014-03-22 17:31 <velus> Plugh: mine the one i have whcihc is the latest nsl one is the ip of the region not the user ip
2014-03-22 17:31 <H-H-H> if you look in the ballances table you will see what i mean
2014-03-22 17:32 <velus> H-H-H: i have looked at the balnces and it has the ip of the region not the user ip
2014-03-22 17:32 <Plugh> velus: That sounds like a bug. I could see them doing what H-H-H indicates and use the IP of the users machine but not the IP of a region server.
2014-03-22 17:32 <Plugh> Either way, I think it would cause problems.
2014-03-22 17:33 <Plugh> Check balance from a region on a different machine in a grid and you would have no balance.
2014-03-22 17:33 <velus> its the region server ffs my region and grid is hosted in a data center with a dedicated ip and my home is on a dongel which changes every so often
2014-03-22 17:33 <velus> and Melanie_T even said its the region ip
2014-03-22 17:34 <H-H-H> 015bcacc-0d27-42d9-be8c-e5262a44c340@192.168.0.10 and 015bcacc-0d27-42d9-be8c-e5262a44c340@192.168.0.15 are both the same av yet are treated seperately as far as the money system is concerned 
2014-03-22 17:34 <H-H-H> only difference is obviously the ip 
2014-03-22 17:35 <velus> im guesing that is set at home? if so you sure the server ip is not changing 
2014-03-22 17:35 <H-H-H> and if it is a region ip then that gets even worse since you might have several physical machines hosting your regions so then the av would have multiple entries for the same av
2014-03-22 17:35 <velus> yeah i know thats why im asking about it
2014-03-22 17:36 <H-H-H> i could check in nsl code if ya like i have it open 
2014-03-22 17:37 <velus> please
2014-03-22 17:37 <velus> im looking over the other code the opencurrency
2014-03-22 17:37 <velus> but i noticed that nsl dont work with 0.8.0
2014-03-22 17:38 <H-H-H> im using nsl on master
2014-03-22 17:39 <H-H-H> addmitedly i disabled https as my mono barfs on it but it runs fine
2014-03-22 17:39 <Plugh> velus: May just need minor updates. Do you get errors when trying to use the DTL/NSL code in 0.8?
2014-03-22 17:40 <velus> yeah but i dont have the errors no more i wiped the chashe and restarted the lot again lol
2014-03-22 17:41 <smxy_> Where are all the places, in an opensim database, where the grid's IP address might be stored?
2014-03-22 17:42 <Plugh> The regions table, the land tables, the prims tables, the tables used by the search module.
2014-03-22 17:42 <Plugh> Those are the ones that come to mind. Might be some others.
2014-03-22 17:43 <Plugh> GridUser table?
2014-03-22 17:43 <smxy_> Yeah. Sadly though, I don't think that's my problem.
2014-03-22 17:43 <Plugh> smxy_: What problem?
2014-03-22 17:44 <smxy_> I am having delays in accessing port 8013 on my robust server, but not to port 8102. (I use those in place of 8002 and 8003).
2014-03-22 17:45 <smxy_> If I traceroute to 8012, I get an instant return. But to 8013, I see a pause.
2014-03-22 17:45 <H-H-H> hmmmm
2014-03-22 17:45 <H-H-H> ok i was mistaken it seems 
2014-03-22 17:45 <Plugh> that sound strange.
2014-03-22 17:45 <smxy_> And my regions can't start because they time out to that port.
2014-03-22 17:45 <Plugh> smxy_: Windows or Linux?
2014-03-22 17:45 <H-H-H> nsl use this userID = clientUUID + "@" + userServerIP;
2014-03-22 17:46 <smxy_> Linux. I just moved my grid to a new internal network.
2014-03-22 17:46 <Plugh> smxy_: What does netstat show is connected to port 8013 before you start the regions?
2014-03-22 17:47 <Plugh> netstat -an |less
2014-03-22 17:48 <H-H-H> so my apologies velus i could have sworn it used the client ip lol
2014-03-22 17:48 <smxy_> Robust is listening on that port, as it should be.
2014-03-22 17:48 <velus> iknew it was region ip lol
2014-03-22 17:48 <H-H-H> but i have also just found how to solve my own problem to so thanks for asking and prompting me to look
2014-03-22 17:49 <Plugh> smxy_: ok, so nothing else connected to the port that could be causing delays.
2014-03-22 17:49 <velus> ok 
2014-03-22 17:49 <velus> its fine H-H-H 
2014-03-22 17:50 <smxy_> No.
2014-03-22 17:50 <H-H-H> and velus if you want a version of nsl that works on master i can give you a link to my github if you want but you will need to reverse the commit where i disabled https if you want to use https
2014-03-22 17:50 <smxy> I might have it figured out ...
2014-03-22 17:51 <H-H-H> and also i make no gaurentees it wont eat ya hampster or your babies or that it is fit for any purpose at all lol
2014-03-22 17:52 <smxy> After restarting my firewall and Robust, the region comes up fine, with one exception: there is a very long pause where it says: 
2014-03-22 17:53 <smxy> 13:50:53 - [DATASNAPSHOT]: Module added to Scene Barony of Cressia.
2014-03-22 17:53 <smxy> 13:50:53 - [DATASNAPSHOT]: Response and fragment cache directory already exists.
2014-03-22 17:53 <smxy> 13:50:53 - [DATASNAPSHOT]: Set up snapshot service
2014-03-22 17:54 <smxy> On every restart.
2014-03-22 17:54 <velus> ok when you say master do you mean 0.8-dev or 0.7.6
2014-03-22 17:55 <H-H-H> i mean head lol
2014-03-22 17:55 <H-H-H> the latest comit in git
2014-03-22 17:55 <velus> ok seeing that after what i just heard dont sound right
2014-03-22 17:56 <smxy> They delay is exactly one minute long.
2014-03-22 17:56 <smxy> 13:53:54 - [DATASNAPSHOT]: Set up snapshot service
2014-03-22 17:56 <smxy> 13:54:54 - [DATASNAPSHOT]: data service http://sanctuary.homelinux.org:8081/ossearch/register.php notified. Secret: 5d366eff-0c00-4406-8f06-d49426aae79c
2014-03-22 17:57 <smxy> Probably should have left that Secret off. :p
2014-03-22 17:57 <smxy> lol
2014-03-22 17:57 <velus> does it work on 0.8-dev or 0.7.6
2014-03-22 17:57 <H-H-H> [SERVER BASE]: OpenSimulator version: OpenSim 0.8.0 Dev          8ba8a27
2014-03-22 17:57 <Plugh> smxy: Odd. That's ok. We won't tell anyone. ;)
2014-03-22 17:57 <smxy> If I can eliminate that delay, I'll be in good shape. And it *is* a new delay.
2014-03-22 17:57 <H-H-H> and should work ok on 7.6 to
2014-03-22 17:57 <velus> oik wheres the link?
2014-03-22 17:57 <Plugh> smxy: seems odd to have a 1 minute delay. You could disable datasnapshot and see if that is the cause of the delay.
2014-03-22 17:58 <smxy> I wonder if the http server should be restarted too..... gonna try that.
2014-03-22 17:58 <Plugh> smxy: One minute delay seems a bit long. Either its doing behind the scenes stuff or there is a long wait before something times out.
2014-03-22 17:58 <Plugh> smxy: wouldn't hurt to do that.
2014-03-22 17:58 <smxy> agreed
2014-03-22 17:58 <smxy> on maybe something timing out
2014-03-22 18:01 <smxy> restarting httpd didn't solve it.
2014-03-22 18:01 <smxy> Let me look at my snapshot config.
2014-03-22 18:02 <smxy> Nothing there looks odd, but I bet I know what's up.
2014-03-22 18:02 <Plugh> smxy: I would suggest disabling datasnapshot to see if it is responsible for the delay.
2014-03-22 18:03 <Plugh> smxy: Oh?
2014-03-22 18:03 <smxy> The php has to be told where the DB is. If I used an ip address, well, I haven't changed the php settings yet ...
2014-03-22 18:03 <smxy> Good chance that's it.
2014-03-22 18:04 <Plugh> if the PHP is using the wrong IP that does sound like it would lead to a timeout situation.
2014-03-22 18:07 <smxy> Starts right up without any delays now. Yay. Thanks for letting me talk it through with you. :)
2014-03-22 18:08 <smxy> Now let's see if I can even login. :)
2014-03-22 18:09 <smxy> Yes! :)
2014-03-22 18:13 <H-H-H> i did exactly the same with my regions ini the other day and then took a while before i even thought bout checking it lol and yep i had changed all the other ip,s but not the ones in regions.ini so couldnt log in lol
2014-03-22 18:14 <osmantis> Bug #7070:04 Walking / running reduces jump velocity 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7070 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-22 18:15 <smxy> I took notes, so that if I ever renumber again, I know where all the bits are hiding, that I need to change. :)
2014-03-22 18:20 <H-H-H> good idea i think i need to do the same especially when i use so many addons and external php stuffs
2014-03-22 18:21 <Plugh> smxy: Set up a name to IP mapping and use the name. If things change, just change the IP in the name to IP mapping.
2014-03-22 18:21 <smxy> Yes, yes. Setting up a DNS server is on the list. :)
2014-03-22 18:21 <smxy> Just been lazy about that.
2014-03-22 18:22 <H-H-H> yeah that would be a damn site easyer to change then changin the ip multiple times in multiple places lol
2014-03-22 18:22 <smxy> Yes. :)
2014-03-22 18:22 <Plugh> smxy: You can just add something in to your /etc/hosts file for now.
2014-03-22 18:22 <smxy> On about 20 systems ...
2014-03-22 18:22 <Plugh> smxy: One tool I find handy for doing global search/replace in files is regexxer.
2014-03-22 18:24 <smxy> I didn't have to change it in many places. I had to change the IPs in mysql, in the mysql:user and mysql:db tables and do a 'flush privileges;' plus had to change it in one place in httpd.conf and then in 5 php db config files. That's all.
2014-03-22 18:27 <Plugh> oh, is that all?  :)
2014-03-22 18:27 <Plugh> Glad you got it sorted out.
2014-03-22 18:29 <smxy> They are all on one server, which does have entries in /etc/hosts, which I suspect I added later, after I set up the grid. Later, I should go back and change all the IPs to names and be done with it. Then I can be even lazier about setting up that Domain name server. :)
2014-03-22 18:31 <smxy> I do still have that problem of php breaking on the timezone thing.
2014-03-22 18:31 <smxy> I need to get that fixed.
2014-03-22 18:31 <H-H-H> set the timezone in the ini
2014-03-22 18:32 <smxy> I was running a development profile for php before, which overlooked the error. I'm running a production profile now and the way the php is coded it's causing a fatal error.
2014-03-22 18:32 <smxy> Hmmm. In the ini?
2014-03-22 18:33 <H-H-H> mine did exactly the same and then i checked the logs and it was bitching about i didnt have the timezone in the ini file set so i set it and its been fine since
2014-03-22 18:33 <H-H-H> php.ini
2014-03-22 18:33 <smxy> oh, this is complaining the the writer of the code shouldn't assume the timezone and should code it differently (and said how).
2014-03-22 18:34 <smxy> But maybe putting it in the ini will work as well.
2014-03-22 18:35 <smxy> I see where to do it, but not what value I should give.
2014-03-22 18:35 <smxy> I'm in the Eastern timezone
2014-03-22 18:35 <smxy> oh, wait, it tells me what file to look in ... duh
2014-03-22 18:41 <smxy> Perfect. A nice, clean login again. Thanks for the suggestion, H-H-H. :)
2014-03-22 18:44 <H-H-H> yw
2014-03-22 18:45 <velus> smy
2014-03-22 18:45 <velus> you using opensimwi for the website
2014-03-22 18:46 <H-H-H> this error could be a bit more helpfull lol Object reference not set to an instance of an object like maybe tell me which object haha
2014-03-22 18:46 <smxy> No. I use Wifi. The http server is strictly for ossearch, which I'll get rid of the moment *someone* makes it not need php. :)
2014-03-22 18:47 <velus> you dont like php then?
2014-03-22 18:49 <smxy> No, what I don't like is having to run a web server.
2014-03-22 18:49 <velus> oh ok 
2014-03-22 18:51 <H-H-H> btw there was talk in here the other day about adding a service like cron to robust, well i happened to be looking thropugh the core groups module v2 and noticed there is a method in thier for triggering x action every x mins
2014-03-22 18:54 <smxy> That's cool, but I'd rather be able to say "Do this, at this specific time."
2014-03-22 18:55 <H-H-H> thats do able in theory
2014-03-22 19:06 <velus> hey nebadon_laptop 
2014-03-22 19:06 <nebadon_laptop> hello
2014-03-22 19:06 <velus> hows you doing
2014-03-22 19:06 <osmantis> Bug #7070:04 Walking / running reduces jump velocity 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7070 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-22 19:07 <nebadon_laptop> good, just got back home :) how you doing?
2014-03-22 19:07 <velus> im good just about im working on a few projects to help with things but im goof
2014-03-22 19:07 <velus> good
2014-03-22 19:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #3395 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-22 19:12 <osmantis> Bug #7070:04 Walking / running reduces jump velocity 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7070 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-22 19:13 <osmantis> Bug #7070:04 Walking / running reduces jump velocity 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7070 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-22 19:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3395: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3395/
2014-03-22 19:15 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: BulletSim: Fix jumping while running. Was unintentional taking way all upward target motion for avatar when running.
2014-03-22 19:22 <nebadon_laptop> vegaslon ping
2014-03-22 19:22 <vegaslon> yes?
2014-03-22 19:22 <nebadon_laptop> your patch seems to work if avatar is walking
2014-03-22 19:22 <nebadon_laptop> but if im running my avatar doesnt leave the ground
2014-03-22 19:22 <velus> H-H-H: you know the money module? and that
2014-03-22 19:22 <nebadon_laptop> the jump animation plays
2014-03-22 19:23 <nebadon_laptop> but my avatar just stays stuck on the ground
2014-03-22 19:24 <vegaslon> that is strange. I tested it and worked fine for me
2014-03-22 19:24 <nebadon_laptop> try at Sisyphus
2014-03-22 19:25 <nebadon_laptop> oh wait
2014-03-22 19:25 <nebadon_laptop> let me check something
2014-03-22 19:25 <nebadon_laptop> i might have pulled code to quickly
2014-03-22 19:25 <smxy> Higher gravity there? :)
2014-03-22 19:25 <nebadon_laptop> i forgot this region pulls code from github
2014-03-22 19:25 <nebadon_laptop> i may not actually have the patch
2014-03-22 19:25 <nebadon_laptop> always forget about that
2014-03-22 19:25 <nebadon_laptop> crap my bad vegaslon
2014-03-22 19:26 <nebadon_laptop> i need to update again
2014-03-22 19:26 <vegaslon> ok
2014-03-22 19:26 <nebadon_laptop> github didnt get the patch before i pulled
2014-03-22 19:26 <smxy> That's an easier fix than him looking for wha isn't broken. :)
2014-03-22 19:26 <smxy> what*
2014-03-22 19:48 <Plugh> hm... I don't seem to have .net 3.5 on a Windows box.
2014-03-22 19:48 <Plugh> I thought I had it but I have since installed .net 4 to build git master. I wonder if that removed 3.5
2014-03-22 19:48 <nebadon_laptop> shouldnt
2014-03-22 19:49 <nebadon_laptop> i dont think you need .net 3.5 anymore but maybe
2014-03-22 19:49 <Plugh> hm... I was seeing some messages when compiling 076PF. Let me try again and see exactly what it said.
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2014-03-22 20:07 <osmantis> Bug #7056:04 crash while editing terrain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7056 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-22 20:12 <osmantis> Bug #7068:04 possibility to deny same-region teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7068 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-03-22 20:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #3396 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-22 20:14 <osmantis> Bug #7069:04 wrong sit offset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7069 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-22 20:15 <Plugh> ok, the updated URL worked. 
2014-03-22 20:15 <Plugh> Any idea why the push also gave me the following -> remote: lockfile: Sorry, giving up on "/tmp/ircbot-feeder"
2014-03-22 20:15 <Plugh> I figured a small change was the safe thing to do to verify I could push changes.
2014-03-22 20:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3396: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3396/
2014-03-22 20:17 <osjenkins> * kevin: Set default name for mute list module as shown in OpenSim.ini.example
2014-03-22 20:17 <osjenkins> * kevin: Pass method to offline.php using ?blah instead of /blah/. Avoids issue with Apache web servers running PHP via CGI.
2014-03-22 20:17 <osjenkins> * kevin: Moved Kevin Cozens to the core developers list.
2014-03-22 20:21 <Plugh> oh, figures. Didn't realize I had two local commits in my copy of master. 
2014-03-22 20:21 <Plugh> 
ACTION sighs.

2014-03-22 20:22 <nebadon_laptop> ok vegaslon tested again and it is indeed working, thanks for patch
2014-03-22 20:24 <vegaslon> no problem fixed that months ago and thought I patched it then. got lost in my files it apears
2014-03-22 20:33 <H-H-H> wow that was fun but the db layer is now working  :)
2014-03-22 20:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #3397 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-22 20:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3397: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3397/
2014-03-22 20:44 <osjenkins> * kevin: Reverting "Pass method to offline.php" commit that was pushed by mistake.
2014-03-22 20:44 <osjenkins> * kevin: Reverting "Set default name for mute list" that was pushed by mistake.
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2014-03-22 23:01 <velus> hey Arielle_  hows you?
2014-03-22 23:58 <velus> WHO IS ABOUT?
2014-03-22 23:58 <velus> SPECAILLY PEOPLE WHO KNOW ABOUT C# AND THE MONEY MODULE
2014-03-23 00:44 <osmantis> Bug #7051:04 [VAR] osNpcMoveToTarget fails outside of 256 on varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7051 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-03-23 02:08 <osmantis> Bug #7073:04 [PATCH] Region stats show negative value for Active Scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7073 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-23 02:09 <osmantis> Bug #7073:04 [PATCH] Region stats show negative value for Active Scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7073 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-03-23 02:46 <osmantis> Bug #7073:04 [PATCH] Region stats show negative value for Active Scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7073 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-03-23 03:08 <osmantis> Bug #7073:04 [PATCH] Region stats show negative value for Active Scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7073 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-03-23 03:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #3398 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-23 03:13 <osmantis> Bug #7073:04 [PATCH] Region stats show negative value for Active Scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7073 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-23 03:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3398: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3398/
2014-03-23 03:16 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: Fix negative stat for Active Scripts
2014-03-23 05:35 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: WIth that line removed to prevent the count going negative it makes me wonder if scripts in avatar attachments are being counted.
2014-03-23 05:40 <nebadon_laptop> they do I assume they were being removed from the count twive
2014-03-23 05:40 <nebadon_laptop> twice*
2014-03-23 05:41 <nebadon_laptop> but they definitely do get counted
2014-03-23 05:57 <osmantis> Bug #6593:04 crash with SQL database, error in SQL query when creating tables... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6593 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-03-23 06:18 <osmantis> Bug #7074:04 MSSQL crash related to missing migrations. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7074 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-23 06:19 <osmantis> Bug #7074:04 MSSQL crash related to missing migrations. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7074 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-23 06:27 <osmantis> Bug #7075:04 MSSQL Crash during setup in call to inventory folder update.. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7075 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-23 06:35 <osmantis> Bug #7074:04 MSSQL crash related to missing migrations. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7074 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-03-23 06:43 <luciussir> ohhhh nebadon old boy
2014-03-23 06:44 <luciussir> how is my favorite nebadon ?... whatever a nebadon is... but you are definitely my favorite :)
2014-03-23 06:44 <luciussir> I fixed some mssql bugs :) but I'm only a reporter so I can't commit :) just thought i'd let you know :)
2014-03-23 06:44 <luciussir> .. probably should have submitted more professional bug logs too... but still it works now :)
2014-03-23 06:45 <luciussir> and Melanie_T I love you :)
2014-03-23 06:52 <Plugh> luciussir: If you have fixes for some bugs, file a mantis and attach a patch file to the report.
2014-03-23 06:52 <luciussir> I did :) I just felt like bugging nebadon, i love him so :)
2014-03-23 06:53 <luciussir> well... I love him... sort of... I love his text and his skill as a developer...
2014-03-23 06:53 <Plugh> ok :)
2014-03-23 06:53 <luciussir> and he's friendly
2014-03-23 06:53 <Plugh> he is
2014-03-23 06:53 <luciussir> but i'm not IN love with him hahahahaha
2014-03-23 06:53 <luciussir> so alas our relationship cannot progress past the professional :(
2014-03-23 06:53 <luciussir> yes actually he is :) and patient too :)
2014-03-23 06:54 <luciussir> Plugh:  do i get an lol for that ? I was trying to make a joke :(
2014-03-23 06:55 <Plugh> I am talking with someone in a grid and its also rather late here. I'm not really that awake right now.
2014-03-23 06:59 <luciussir> Plugh:  i understand :) its late here too but i'm not allowed to sleep till 4-5 pm tommorrow... its glorious.. heh
2014-03-23 07:00 <luciussir> Plugh:  ever been shanghaied by people trying to impress 'civilized' human behavioral patterns on you and placed through repeating events continually ? 
2014-03-23 07:01 <Plugh> umm... no.
2014-03-23 07:01 <Plugh> Time for me to call it a night.
2014-03-23 07:01 <Plugh> Have fun, luciussir
2014-03-23 09:52 <osmantis> Bug #6593:04 crash with SQL database, error in SQL query when creating tables... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6593 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-23 11:14 <velus> hey all im back
2014-03-23 12:47 <velus> hey nebadon_laptop  you about?
2014-03-23 12:49 <nebadon_laptop> hey velus sort of just woke up, whats up?
2014-03-23 12:50 <velus> im just thinking about this money module and how i can work it so you have the security of the ip of region in the userid and yet not conflict with the system its self, im thinking of doing something like useruuid@ipfromconfig 
2014-03-23 12:50 <velus> would that work? it would be a pre defiined ip and wont ever change no matter what region your on
2014-03-23 12:51 <Thonneve> velus: I could then spoof the system to think my malicious region is the legit region
2014-03-23 12:51 <Thonneve> And steal your currencies
2014-03-23 12:52 <Thonneve> And people with dynamic IP's would be very angry since if their IP changes, the users currency is gone
2014-03-23 12:53 <velus> but if you have it the way it is at present then if i have region on ip 129.168.0.1 and a region on 192.168.0.2 it will reset my currency on the second region if i havent been on there 
2014-03-23 12:53 <velus> that is what is happinging now 
2014-03-23 12:53 <Thonneve> That's what extreamly large var regions are for
2014-03-23 12:53 <Thonneve> Without a grid service theres no way around it
2014-03-23 12:54 <velus> this is for a grid service
2014-03-23 12:54 <Thonneve> And then it would be gridwide, which is something grids like OSGrid doesn't like
2014-03-23 12:54 <Thonneve> If it's for a grid service there shouldn't be any region IP involved
2014-03-23 12:54 <velus> but even with a grid service it it will take rtegion ip bot server ip
2014-03-23 12:54 <Thonneve> It shouldn't, that's not how it should work
2014-03-23 12:55 <velus> the money module takes the ip of the region the user is on
2014-03-23 12:55 <Thonneve> Realistically it shouldn't
2014-03-23 12:55 <Thonneve> Otherwise you get this fragmentation issue
2014-03-23 12:55 <velus> but thats how it is set 
2014-03-23 12:55 <Thonneve> That needs rewriting then
2014-03-23 12:55 <velus> thats why im thinking if it gets a ip from a ini file then have it just use that then it should be fine yes?
2014-03-23 12:56 <velus> the ip was put in for security reasons 
2014-03-23 12:56 <velus> Melanie_T:  
2014-03-23 12:56 <Thonneve> I don't see how it could be a security issue not having the IP
2014-03-23 12:57 <velus> ask Melanie_T she was the one who said it was a security thing
2014-03-23 12:57 <velus> but anyway it would be for my closed gird 
2014-03-23 12:57 <Thonneve> Just rewrite it for  using just UUID rather than UUID@REGIONIP
2014-03-23 12:57 <Thonneve> If it's a closed grid
2014-03-23 12:59 <velus> yeah im thinking ofr a diferent idear atually im thinking of a secruity [art to it and adding somethign like UUID@(some pre defined string) so then it would be harder to hack the system and spoof money
2014-03-23 12:59 <Thonneve> If you wanted real security you'd have a set of "trusted" regions verify the transaction, similar to bitcoin
2014-03-23 13:00 <velus> it would be all on my servers
2014-03-23 13:00 <Thonneve> If it's all your servers then remove any security checks
2014-03-23 13:00 <velus> so there would be no self hosting servers
2014-03-23 13:00 <Thonneve> They won't be needed if the only regions connecting are yours
2014-03-23 13:01 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-23 14:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #3399 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-23 14:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3399: SUCCESS in 3 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3399/
2014-03-23 14:44 <osjenkins> orenh: Added missing quotes in Robust.HG.ini.example
2014-03-23 14:53 <velus> i wish H-H-H was here now 
2014-03-23 14:59 <velus> bersinger
2014-03-23 15:45 <velus> if somethig is supose to create a .exe and isnt hwo do i find out why?
2014-03-23 15:47 <Thonneve> velus: check for compilation errors
2014-03-23 15:47 <velus> where do i look for thwem
2014-03-23 15:48 <Thonneve> console output?
2014-03-23 15:48 <velus> wich console
2014-03-23 15:48 <Thonneve> Whichever console you started the compilation in
2014-03-23 15:49 <velus> the prebiuld or compile
2014-03-23 15:49 <Thonneve> Compile
2014-03-23 15:49 <velus> ok where does the compile log
2014-03-23 15:49 <Thonneve> It might not log
2014-03-23 16:07 <velus> i cant then check the compile as it is to big for the screen how would i get that to log?
2014-03-23 16:08 <nebadon_laptop> usually when a compile fails it outputs the errors on the screen
2014-03-23 16:08 <nebadon_laptop> and it generally says Failed
2014-03-23 16:08 <velus> it aint doing ouput of erros 
2014-03-23 16:08 <nebadon_laptop> what are you compiling?
2014-03-23 16:08 <nebadon_laptop> opensim?
2014-03-23 16:09 <velus> but the moneyserver.exe is not being created and im wondering why
2014-03-23 16:09 <nebadon_laptop> if your not getting any build failure then its probably something with prebuild.xml
2014-03-23 16:09 <nebadon_laptop> its probably just not compiling it at all
2014-03-23 16:09 <nebadon_laptop> what the problem is I can not say, but if i had to guess you have something wrong in prebuild
2014-03-23 16:10 <nebadon_laptop> BlueWall is pretty good at diagnosing prebuild issues
2014-03-23 16:10 <nebadon_laptop> not sure if he is around or has the time though
2014-03-23 16:11 <Plugh> I thought OS doesn't include a money module. If there is one it may be an example framework for one and may not be included in standard compilation.
2014-03-23 16:11 <nebadon_laptop> i am assuming he is doing something as an addon-module?
2014-03-23 16:11 <nebadon_laptop> just a guess again though
2014-03-23 16:11 <Melanie_T> Plugh: there is no money module. velus is playing with 3rd party code from somewhere else entirely
2014-03-23 16:11 <Plugh> oh, that DTL/NSL one he was talking about the other day.
2014-03-23 16:12 <Melanie_T> as far as i understand, that doesn't even work anymore
2014-03-23 16:12 <Melanie_T> got broken ages ago
2014-03-23 16:12 <nebadon_laptop> im not sure it ever worked did it
2014-03-23 16:12 <nebadon_laptop> didnt Snoopy fork that?
2014-03-23 16:12 <Plugh> I've got a copy of that somewhere.
2014-03-23 16:12 <nebadon_laptop> the DTL one hasnt worked in ages
2014-03-23 16:12 <nebadon_laptop> it stopped working when adam was still around if i recall
2014-03-23 16:13 <nebadon_laptop> i dont know what NSL is
2014-03-23 16:13 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: The DTL one is the original. The DTL/NSL one is an updated version. I've never tried using it so I don't know if it works or not.
2014-03-23 16:13 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-03-23 16:13 <Melanie_T> also, acceptance for it was always low because it requres web interaction for every in world payment
2014-03-23 16:13 <nebadon_laptop> i guess the NSL one is snoopy
2014-03-23 16:13 <nebadon_laptop> best to track her down
2014-03-23 16:13 <nebadon_laptop> i havent seen her on IRC in ages though
2014-03-23 16:13 <nebadon_laptop> probably email her
2014-03-23 16:13 <Plugh> Oh. That sounds like how the VirWox currency works. They require website confirmation of transactions.
2014-03-23 16:14 <Plugh> 
ACTION sniffs the air

2014-03-23 16:14 <nebadon_laptop> snoopy.pfeffer@yahoo.com
2014-03-23 16:14 <Plugh> Ah, I recognize that smell. Chicken wings being cooked for lunch.
2014-03-23 16:15 <nebadon_laptop> hmm im not sure Snoopy touched NSL though
2014-03-23 16:15 <nebadon_laptop> NSL one looks japanese?
2014-03-23 16:16 <nebadon_laptop> ah ya Snoopy did the paypal module
2014-03-23 16:16 <nebadon_laptop> http://snoopypfeffer.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/paypal-money-module/
2014-03-23 16:16 <nebadon_laptop> i could have sworn though Snoopy started with the DTL module
2014-03-23 16:16 <nebadon_laptop> and basically took over on a fork of DTL, im certain she did
2014-03-23 16:17 <nebadon_laptop> yep
2014-03-23 16:17 <nebadon_laptop> You can find that GIT repository with the latest version of the PayPal money module for OpenSim here:  http://github.com/SnoopyPfeffer/Mod-PayPal This fork has been renamed from DTL-PayPal to Mod-PayPal to avoid confusion.
2014-03-23 16:17 <nebadon_laptop> and thats about the extent of my knowledge for money modules lol
2014-03-23 16:17 <nebadon_laptop> anyway velus, you should talk to snoopy
2014-03-23 16:17 <velus> yeah i will
2014-03-23 16:17 <nebadon_laptop> she can probably answer your questions better than anyone
2014-03-23 16:18 <nebadon_laptop> tell her I said hello if you do :)
2014-03-23 16:20 <velus> will do i am gonna try something now and see if it worked
2014-03-23 16:22 <Plugh> The DTL/NSL money module hasn't been updated since May of 2009.
2014-03-23 16:23 <nebadon_laptop> snoopys code was last updated 2 months ago
2014-03-23 16:25 <velus> i think i asked snoopy for help but she was too busy
2014-03-23 16:27 <nebadon_laptop> that would not surprise me
2014-03-23 16:55 <velus> ok it was about somethign else lol 
2014-03-23 17:00 <velus> nebadon_laptop: i said you said hi i just sent her a message
2014-03-23 17:03 <Thonneve> What would cause a physical object to float...
2014-03-23 17:03 <Thonneve> Only have llSetStatus(STATUS_ROTATE_X, FALSE); in a script
2014-03-23 17:05 <nebadon_laptop>  cool velus
2014-03-23 17:06 <Thonneve> Turning off all the STATUS_ROTATE_x stuff stopped it floating... something is wrong there
2014-03-23 17:08 <Thonneve> Interesting STATUS_ROTATE doesn't stop rotation, it stops movement
2014-03-23 17:10 <Thonneve> And definatley doesn't stop rotation
2014-03-23 17:10 <Thonneve> Oh tell a lie, it does but it stops movement alltogether
2014-03-23 17:10 <nebadon_laptop> file a mantis if you can make it happen constantly, include sample script if you can
2014-03-23 17:11 <Thonneve> Going to check my config first then file a mantis
2014-03-23 17:11 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-03-23 17:11 <Thonneve> Might be that I'm using ODE or something
2014-03-23 17:11 <nebadon_laptop> its always good to test against SL too to make sure the functionality actually differs
2014-03-23 17:12 <nebadon_laptop> really with LSL we should be matching SL even things that dont seem right
2014-03-23 17:12 <nebadon_laptop> extended / repaired functions generally become OSSL
2014-03-23 17:13 <Thonneve> How can I tell which physics engine is being used, because from quick scrollby reading it seems to load all physics engines
2014-03-23 17:14 <nebadon_laptop> there is an OSSL function for that I think
2014-03-23 17:15 <Thonneve> Yeah it was ODE causing the problem
2014-03-23 17:15 <Thonneve> Or not...
2014-03-23 17:16 <Plugh> Thonneve: If you have access to the console you can do config get Startup physics
2014-03-23 17:16 <Thonneve> Yup, bulletsim is doing some strange things
2014-03-23 17:16 <Plugh> Its a new feature. ;)
2014-03-23 17:17 <nebadon_laptop> ya well BulletSim is not quite complete yet
2014-03-23 17:17 <nebadon_laptop> some things just dont work right
2014-03-23 17:19 <Thonneve> I'll have to work out the best way of doing an elevator then
2014-03-23 17:20 <nebadon_laptop> Elevators are tricky
2014-03-23 17:20 <velus> nebadon_laptop: snoopy said hi
2014-03-23 17:21 <nebadon_laptop> nice, thanks velus :)
2014-03-23 17:21 <velus> your welcome
2014-03-23 17:21 <Thonneve> Would it be better to work with ODE for a elevator, atleast for the time being?
2014-03-23 17:21 <nebadon_laptop> proably not
2014-03-23 17:21 <nebadon_laptop> hard to say, Godfrey had a nice ODE elevator
2014-03-23 17:22 <Plugh> Thonneve: I've picked up a number of elevator scripts. They work to varying degrees. Even in SL I have seen some elevators that don't operate smoothly.
2014-03-23 17:22 <nebadon_laptop> though it wasnt as much an elevator as like a lift
2014-03-23 17:22 <nebadon_laptop> it was like a platform lift, kind of like you see on aircraft carrier that lifts the jets to launch deck
2014-03-23 17:22 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-03-23 17:22 <nebadon_laptop> it didnt move very far
2014-03-23 17:22 <nebadon_laptop> maybe 10m
2014-03-23 17:22 <nebadon_laptop> but it worked amazingly good
2014-03-23 17:23 <Plugh> Some elevators you have to take a seat. Not often you see one that you stand on.
2014-03-23 17:23 <nebadon_laptop> ya this one like 10 avatars could stand on
2014-03-23 17:23 <Plugh> nice.
2014-03-23 17:23 <Thonneve> Hmmm
2014-03-23 17:23 <nebadon_laptop> he isnt here at the moment though
2014-03-23 17:23 <Thonneve> Is it possible to stop rotation using C#?
2014-03-23 17:23 <Thonneve> Using direct bulletsim calls?
2014-03-23 17:24 <Plugh> I have a public library of scripts in a grid. Door scripts, TP devices, then elevators may be the next things I add.
2014-03-23 17:24 <nebadon_laptop> doubt it
2014-03-23 17:24 <nebadon_laptop> if you could do that Thonneve you could probably just make a patch for bulletsim itself to do it with LSL and submit it for core
2014-03-23 17:24 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-03-23 17:24 <Plugh> I think you need to change the prim property and somehow push the property change to the viewers.
2014-03-23 17:25 <Thonneve> That's truehaha
2014-03-23 17:25 <Dev_Random> Lani has a pretty cool transporter.  Slowly levitates the avatar from ground level to the orbiting ship.
2014-03-23 17:26 <Plugh> You can't currently stop rotation via a script when using BS?
2014-03-23 17:26 <nebadon_laptop> you should be able to
2014-03-23 17:26 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-03-23 17:26 <Plugh> That's what I thought.
2014-03-23 17:26 <Thonneve> Plugh: It stops movement too
2014-03-23 17:26 <Plugh> Oh, that doesn't sound right.
2014-03-23 17:27 <nebadon_laptop> shame vegaslon isnt here
2014-03-23 17:27 <nebadon_laptop> this is right up his alley
2014-03-23 17:27 <nebadon_laptop> Misterblue are you here?
2014-03-23 17:27 <Plugh> Thonneve: What are you using to start rotation? llTargetOmega?
2014-03-23 17:27 <nebadon_laptop> thats non physical
2014-03-23 17:28 <Thonneve> Plugh: Nothing, I want rotation completely disabled
2014-03-23 17:28 <Thonneve> BUT
2014-03-23 17:28 <Thonneve> If I disable rotation
2014-03-23 17:28 <Thonneve> The physical object can't be pushed
2014-03-23 17:28 <Thonneve> But can be manually moved (click + drag) but will immediatley move back to the initial position
2014-03-23 17:29 <nebadon_laptop> when you set STATUS_ROTATE_X or whatever
2014-03-23 17:29 <nebadon_laptop> are you telling it to stay physical?
2014-03-23 17:29 <Thonneve> Yes
2014-03-23 17:29 <Thonneve> It stays physical since I can drag it around, it'll just move back into the initial position a second or so after letting go
2014-03-23 17:30 <nebadon_laptop> wierd
2014-03-23 17:30 <Thonneve> My guess is it's applying force rather than disabling rotation
2014-03-23 17:35 <velus> skidz: you about?
2014-03-23 17:39 <Ken_S> Nebadon_laptop, I just noticed there are many places in Robust where true and false sometimes do and sometimes don't have quotes around them.
2014-03-23 17:39 <Ken_S> opensim.ini example may also be that way, havent checked.
2014-03-23 17:39 <nebadon_laptop> quotes are optional
2014-03-23 17:39 <nebadon_laptop> generally quotes are only needed if there is spaces
2014-03-23 17:40 <Ken_S> Maybe the examples files need to be consistently one way or the other to avoid confusion on the true false items
2014-03-23 17:40 <nebadon_laptop> well even if you get confused it will still work
2014-03-23 17:41 <nebadon_laptop> but nothing wrong with being consistent either, that would be a good question to propose on the email list
2014-03-23 17:41 <nebadon_laptop> let everyone weigh in on the good and bad
2014-03-23 17:41 <Ken_S> Also, sometimes they are caps in quotes and sometimes lowercase
2014-03-23 17:41 <Ken_S> on the true false items
2014-03-23 17:43 <Ken_S> more often than not they are lower case and no quotes
2014-03-23 17:43 <nebadon_laptop> ya send an email on opensim-dev group and see what everyone thinks
2014-03-23 17:45 <Ken_S> Its no big deal to me, but as consistent as you guys try to be this was anything but.
2014-03-23 17:46 <Thonneve> maybe the quotes mean it takes more than just true/false
2014-03-23 17:48 <Ken_S> None of the comments in these fields indicate anything is accepted other than true or false... in one form or another.
2014-03-23 17:49 <nebadon_laptop> ya i think nini is pretty forgiving in terms of quotes and case
2014-03-23 17:51 <Ken_S> Im sure it is, was thinking of a possible point of confusion to new people just coming on board, maybe causing them to think the quotes were optional on other fields too.
2014-03-23 17:53 <Ken_S> Was trying to figure out why HG inventory wont work between my test grid and OSGrid anymore and noticed these differences
2014-03-23 17:55 <nebadon_laptop> Ken_S quotes are always optional on all fields
2014-03-23 17:55 <nebadon_laptop> we are just not consistent like you said
2014-03-23 17:55 <nebadon_laptop> when quotes are not optional is if the variable has spaces
2014-03-23 17:55 <nebadon_laptop> then i believe quotes are required
2014-03-23 17:56 <Thonneve> It might just be whoever wrote that part of the config doing it one way compared to someone else doing it another way
2014-03-23 17:58 <Dev_Random> I find it's usually best to use quotes for any non-trivial field.  allows "safe" expansion of environment variables and such (e.g. for directory names)
2014-03-23 17:59 <Plugh> Is bugzilla down? I can't access it. Just tells me page is not available.
2014-03-23 18:00 <Plugh> oops... wrong window. :)
2014-03-23 18:04 <Misterblue> ping Thonneve: what's not working for elevators?
2014-03-23 18:05 <Thonneve> Misterblue: llSetStatus(STATUS_ROTATE_*,FALSE); disables movment
2014-03-23 18:05 <Thonneve> movement*
2014-03-23 18:05 <Thonneve> I.E. walk into it? No movement
2014-03-23 18:05 <Thonneve> Only way to get it to move is to drag it, but it will immediatley move back into place
2014-03-23 18:08 <Thonneve> If that makes sense
2014-03-23 18:15 <Misterblue> do you have a code snippet?
2014-03-23 18:16 <Thonneve> http://sprunge.us/AZWL
2014-03-23 18:18 <Misterblue> is this in a varregion?
2014-03-23 18:18 <Thonneve> Nope normal region
2014-03-23 18:20 <Misterblue> k... just noticed the linear limits are limited to the region size... but doesn't look like the problem
2014-03-23 18:30 <velus> np Plugh bugzilla isnt down lol
2014-03-23 18:30 <Thonneve> Misterblue: It's quite confusing, since it's not even as if STATUS_ROTATE_Z corosponds with the Z axis at all
2014-03-23 18:32 <Misterblue> I've made the mistake before of not mapping object coordinates vs world coordinates
2014-03-23 18:32 <Misterblue> should the Z be the object Z or the world Z?
2014-03-23 18:33 <Thonneve> It /should/ be only rotation
2014-03-23 18:33 <Thonneve> But it's effecting movement too
2014-03-23 18:33 <Thonneve> If you lock all 3 axis, movement is blocked too
2014-03-23 18:33 <Thonneve> Through all means EXCEPT dragging
2014-03-23 18:38 <velus> Misterblue: can i pcc you please
2014-03-23 18:40 <Misterblue> sure
2014-03-23 18:44 <Misterblue> llSetStatus should also have STATUS_LINEAR_X to constrain movement along axii
2014-03-23 18:47 <Thonneve> But should STATUS_ROTATION_X constrain movement?
2014-03-23 19:02 <Misterblue> humm... rotation constraints does seem to be buggered up
2014-03-23 19:18 <Thonneve> Anyone have a sliding door script that doesn't care about whether it's linked?
2014-03-23 19:51 <luciussir> hey i see you guys are talking about rotations
2014-03-23 19:51 <luciussir> can i ask a question about the math ?
2014-03-23 19:51 <Thonneve> luciussir: What kind of math question?
2014-03-23 19:52 <luciussir> Thonneve: if i want to rotate a rigid object, vertex by vertex where can i find a good article or term which would allow me to do this mathematically with euler angles ?
2014-03-23 19:53 <nebadon_laptop> do you mean with opensimulator? there is no way you can do that in opensimulator with the LL viewers
2014-03-23 19:53 <luciussir> nebadon_laptop:  no i just mean the math, the principle behind it, thats all
2014-03-23 19:55 <luciussir> nebadon_laptop:  if i have an origin point which marks the joining of the axes of rotation and a euler angle, and originating from that origin point are the vertices of say a mesh, how do i apply rotation to them vertx by vertex
2014-03-23 19:55 <nebadon_laptop> hmm I am not sure, might be a good question for WebGL people maybe #three.js channel
2014-03-23 19:56 <nebadon_laptop> or maybe even #opengl
2014-03-23 19:56 <luciussir> yeah i know i saw the math once in an opengl paper...
2014-03-23 19:57 <dahlia> luciussir: http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~gewang/projects/darth/stuff/quat_faq.html
2014-03-23 20:03 <nebadon_laptop> 
ACTION 's head explodes

2014-03-23 20:03 <Thonneve> nebadon_laptop: Didn't get it either haha
2014-03-23 20:03 <dahlia> easy stuff :)
2014-03-23 20:06 <LiruCookies> That's a lot to read, but none of it is too complex.
2014-03-23 20:07 <LiruCookies> Quaternions are complexish
2014-03-23 20:09 <dahlia> ya quats can be confusing. I tend to think of them as axis and angle
2014-03-23 20:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #3400 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-23 20:09 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2014-03-23 20:10 <Misterblue> Thonneve: try the axis constraints after this last commit
2014-03-23 20:10 <Thonneve> I shall test it now
2014-03-23 20:11 <Misterblue> if I was to extend functionality to also have linear constraints (only move in a plane), should I extend llSetStatus or add a new os function? 
2014-03-23 20:13 <Thonneve> My guess would be check if llSetStatus has that functionality on SL and if it does extend llSetStatus, if not a new OS function
2014-03-23 20:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3400: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3400/
2014-03-23 20:13 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: fix problem where axis constraints were also constraining
2014-03-23 20:13 <nebadon_laptop> ya that would be the correct course of action I think
2014-03-23 20:14 <nebadon_laptop> LSL is what it is
2014-03-23 20:16 <Misterblue> 
ACTION hates that os functions are not turned on by default... I think anyone who needs pure SL compatibility should turn them off... but this is OpenSim, for gosh sakes

2014-03-23 20:17 <Thonneve> Misterblue: Movement works... but now rotation works too, so the function becomes useless
2014-03-23 20:17 -!- Wanderer_42(~kvirc@dslb-084-060-146-198.pools.arcor-ip.net) has left #opensim-dev
2014-03-23 20:18 <Thonneve> It's difficult to get it to rotate, but can be quite easy when the physics mess up
2014-03-23 20:18 <Misterblue> humm... didn't happen in my test... I took a cube rotated it around its X axis, locked X and Y axis and applied torque around Z
2014-03-23 20:18 <Misterblue> it rotated but fell to the ground and sat on its edge trying to rotate
2014-03-23 20:19 <Thonneve> It should stop all physical rotation on said axis
2014-03-23 20:19 <Thonneve> I.E. if I have a elevator cabin diagonal to a wall and throw it towards the wall
2014-03-23 20:19 <Thonneve> It should just bounce off and not rotate
2014-03-23 20:20 <Misterblue> you're locking X Y and Z?
2014-03-23 20:20 <Misterblue> llSetStatus(STATUS_ROTATE_X | STATUS_ROTATE_Y | STATUS_ROTATE_Z, FALSE);
2014-03-23 20:21 <Misterblue> but it is still rotating in some axis?
2014-03-23 20:22 <Thonneve> Yup
2014-03-23 20:22 <Thonneve> In all axis
2014-03-23 20:22 <Thonneve> It should stop rotation no matter what
2014-03-23 20:23 <Thonneve> A ball being dragged wouldn't roll, it would move simply like a block
2014-03-23 20:26 <Thonneve> It is much more difficult to rotate it with it locked than without
2014-03-23 20:26 <Thonneve> So it's atleast a step in the right direction
2014-03-23 20:29 <Misterblue> my test has a physical block that is sitting on one point because I've locked all axis... I can drag it aournd and throw it against walls and it doesn't rotate
2014-03-23 20:30 <Thonneve> hmmm interesting
2014-03-23 20:31 <Misterblue> here's the script I'm using: http://pastebin.com/7kJEYjZ8
2014-03-23 20:32 <Misterblue> setting buoyancy to zero means the object will sit on the ground
2014-03-23 20:50 <Thonneve> I think i'm doing something wrong
2014-03-23 20:50 <Thonneve> Because it's having similar effects as before the commit
2014-03-23 20:51 <nebadon_laptop> where do you pull code from?
2014-03-23 20:51 <nebadon_laptop> from my github repo by chance?
2014-03-23 20:51 <Thonneve> nebadon_laptop: Possibly
2014-03-23 20:51 <nebadon_laptop> there is a 3 minute delay
2014-03-23 20:51 <Thonneve> Wait no..
2014-03-23 20:51 <nebadon_laptop> you might have pulled to quickly if so
2014-03-23 20:51 <Thonneve> I got the commit in
2014-03-23 20:52 <Thonneve> Recompiled, but still similar effects
2014-03-23 20:52 <nebadon_laptop> you sure your on bulletsim? not ODE right?
2014-03-23 20:52 <Thonneve> Misterblue: Any chance you could come to osgrid region "Osatia" to test it
2014-03-23 20:52 <Misterblue> k
2014-03-23 20:52 <Thonneve> nebadon_laptop: 100% sure
2014-03-23 20:52 <nebadon_laptop> k
2014-03-23 20:55 <Thonneve> There /may/ be issues on my region
2014-03-23 20:55 <Thonneve> Never fully tested stuff
2014-03-23 20:55 <Misterblue> I can't create anything so you have permissions set correctly :)
2014-03-23 20:56 <Thonneve> Oh yeah
2014-03-23 20:56 <Thonneve> Forgot about that
2014-03-23 20:56 <Thonneve> Gotta relog
2014-03-23 20:56 <Thonneve> Due to some strange permissions bug
2014-03-23 21:23 <Thonneve> Misterblue: I'll reapply it later, had to go afk for a while and still need to be
2014-03-23 21:23 <Thonneve> But there definatley is something wrong
2014-03-23 23:00 <Ken_S> Nebadon_laptop, tell me if its me or os...
2014-03-23 23:01 <Ken_S> I have something in inventory that someone gave me, full perms everything.
2014-03-23 23:01 <Ken_S> I rez it then take a copy and everything still says full perms everywhere.
2014-03-23 23:01 <Ken_S> I take a copy of the object, but now the copy in inventory shows no mod, no copy, no trans.
2014-03-23 23:02 <nebadon_laptop> Ken_S is it locked?
2014-03-23 23:02 <Ken_S> No
2014-03-23 23:02 <nebadon_laptop> ok cause anything that has locked box checked will show as no perms in invnetory
2014-03-23 23:02 <Ken_S> Tried it on a var and normal sim and same thing
2014-03-23 23:03 <nebadon_laptop> so its only if you take a copy of a copy?
2014-03-23 23:03 <Ken_S> I even requested admin status and tried that and no change
2014-03-23 23:03 <Ken_S> I rez the copy I was given, then take a copy of it.
2014-03-23 23:03 <Arielle_> Ken_S r-click on the item in inventory and select Properties, then select the perms you want from there
2014-03-23 23:04 <Ken_S> Its set to full perms on everything when its rezed, not sure why everything changes when I take a copy
2014-03-23 23:04 <nebadon_laptop> i have stuff like that i moved with an IAR to different grid
2014-03-23 23:04 <nebadon_laptop> nothing i can do fixes the perms
2014-03-23 23:04 <nebadon_laptop> accept unbox it and rebox it
2014-03-23 23:05 <nebadon_laptop> kind of a pain
2014-03-23 23:05 <nebadon_laptop> must be some kind of perms bug
2014-03-23 23:05 <Ken_S> Its not a problem for me, but it just doesnt seem like its the expected behavior like I have never seen before
2014-03-23 23:05 <nebadon_laptop> try clearing cache
2014-03-23 23:05 <nebadon_laptop> see if that helps
2014-03-23 23:05 <Ken_S> Yes, thats an idea, I dont think I have done that since receiving the object
2014-03-23 23:11 <Ken_S> I cleared cache and its the same issue.
2014-03-23 23:11 <Ken_S> Sailboat is sitting there on my sim with full perms on everything, but
2014-03-23 23:11 <Ken_S> if I take a copy of it, it has no perms in inventory
2014-03-23 23:12 <Thonneve> Ken_S: Probably a stupid question but did you check next owner permissions?
2014-03-23 23:13 <Ken_S> All check boxes regarding next owner are checked. Its totally full perms on everything until I take a copy
2014-03-23 23:15 <Ken_S> It does this even if I take the one thats rezed and not a copy
2014-03-23 23:17 <Ken_S> I tried a jet ski and it works as expected. Its something odd about that sailboat.
2014-03-23 23:27 <lkalif> i guess i should upgrade my inis from the new osgrid release
2014-03-23 23:55 <H-H-H> hi guys quick question if any knows of the top of thier head:), how does the migrations service know which file to run lol 
2014-03-24 00:02 <Plugh> H-H-H: There is a migrations table that indicates the version of a number of the database tables. The files that do the migration have the database version number in them and the steps required to update the database tables.
2014-03-24 00:02 <Plugh> OS will only run the steps for the listed versions greater than the current version according to the migrations table.
2014-03-24 00:03 <Plugh> H-H-H: Take a look under OpenSim/Data/MySQL/Resources to get a better look at the migration files and their contents.
2014-03-24 00:04 <H-H-H> yeah i figured that bit out thanks Plugh but i meant how does it know to load the asset.migrations file to migrate the assets table as in the migrations code i can find no mention of the indavidual filenames
2014-03-24 00:05 <Plugh> Hm... you could look for where it accesses the migrations table.
2014-03-24 00:06 <H-H-H> i wonder if it had something to do with the "Realm"
2014-03-24 00:06 <Plugh> H-H-H: There is the OpenSim/Data/Migration.cs file.
2014-03-24 00:06 <H-H-H> which is the table name
2014-03-24 00:07 <H-H-H> i will take a closer look in there thanks Plugh
2014-03-24 00:09 <Plugh> yw
2014-03-24 00:09 <Plugh> From what I see the initialize step in that file uses regex to find files ending in .sql or .migrations.
2014-03-24 00:10 <H-H-H> and then i guess it just runs them in alphabetical order through the migrations module untill there are non left
2014-03-24 00:11 <H-H-H> and would you happen to know if im right in thinking that the migration is auto run as thge mysql connector is initialised ?
2014-03-24 00:12 <Plugh> I'm not sure if it runs through them in alphabetical order or file system order. I didn't go through the file that far.
2014-03-24 00:12 <Plugh> That I wouldn't know. You would have to check the MySQL connector initialization code.
2014-03-24 00:14 <H-H-H> i have 2 exact same db modules but one is initialised in robust and it runs its migration check however the exact same module when initialized from a region module doesnt run the migration check but otherwise works fine
2014-03-24 00:17 <Plugh> H-H-H: hm... AFAIK, a region module has an Initialise() routine. I think that is called when the module is loaded. That should be where the migrations are triggered as you should only do it once rather than everytime AddRegion() is called.
2014-03-24 00:17 <H-H-H> im currently trying to make a simple reproducable test case so i can find out if its my dodgy codeing or if i need to file a mantis i can show how to repro
2014-03-24 00:18 <H-H-H> the db module is loaded in the initialise section
2014-03-24 00:20 <Plugh> ok
2014-03-24 00:21 <Plugh> Where do you have your migration steps?
2014-03-24 00:22 <H-H-H> they are a compiled nin resource afaik
2014-03-24 00:22 <H-H-H> in*
2014-03-24 00:23 <Plugh> ok. 
2014-03-24 00:27 <AllenKerensky> Interesting comment about varregions in the Cool VL Viewer changelog http://sldev.free.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2&p=6287#p6287
2014-03-24 00:28 <Plugh> H-H-H: ok. I have no idea how compiled in migrations may get executed, or if they can.
2014-03-24 00:29 <LiruCookies> SWEEEET
2014-03-24 00:29 <LiruCookies> He took my implementation!
2014-03-24 00:29 <LiruCookies> 
ACTION dances around feeling accomplished somehow.

2014-03-24 00:29 <MarcusLlew> Huh. I've been TPing to and fro from a var and normal region without any problems recently.
2014-03-24 00:29 <H-H-H> hmm well afaik all the migrations files are compiled into mysql.data 
2014-03-24 00:30 <AllenKerensky> ... and with every commit, the virtual world moves one fractional step forward...
2014-03-24 00:30 <H-H-H> because at runtime it would look in the bin folder for them if they were just normal read files
2014-03-24 00:30 <Plugh> right
2014-03-24 00:30 <H-H-H> so they all are compiled in 
2014-03-24 00:30 <LiruCookies> Singularity's implementation of VarRegion attempts to be slightly smarter than the old one in FS; I'm glad he chose it!
2014-03-24 00:31 <AllenKerensky> and he didn't mention bugs he had to clean up first - which he usually does if there were any to mention
2014-03-24 00:36 <danbanner> AllenKerensky: those limitations were part of the original aurora implementation
2014-03-24 00:38 <AllenKerensky> i expect they will get tackled soon now that varregions have gotten so much attention lately - that seems something that won't last long
2014-03-24 00:42 <danbanner> its not an issue in opensim
2014-03-24 00:49 <Melanie_T> LiruCookies: got any thoughts on http terrain?
2014-03-24 00:49 <Melanie_T> it was discussed the other ay - load the initial terrain via http then update via udp
2014-03-24 00:51 <LiruCookies> Melanie_T: http terrain? Is that something not done yet?
2014-03-24 00:52 <LiruCookies>  Sounds kinda nice... 
2014-03-24 00:53 <Melanie_T> currently the intial terrain load is a stream of terrain "blocks"
2014-03-24 00:53 <Melanie_T> with compression, these can be sent fast enough for a normal sized sim to have the terrain before the login screen is gone
2014-03-24 00:54 <Melanie_T> on varregions, you will see terrain uild up like int he olden days of opensim
2014-03-24 00:54 <Melanie_T> i think terrain can be compressed more efficiently when the entire terain can be compressed instead of just tile
2014-03-24 00:54 <Melanie_T> also, such a http LLSD message could then give size info to the viewer
2014-03-24 00:57 <LiruCookies> I'm not in a clear enough mental state to give you a valid answer but that sounds doable, I was about to go sleep.
2014-03-24 01:13 <Misterblue> a lot of the varregion TP stuff has to do with the map system being 256 regions only... could create pseudo-regions or add something to the grid service
2014-03-24 01:14 <Misterblue> in either case, TPing to the non-base region is bumpy
2014-03-24 01:24 <smxy> You'll eliminate the bumps, right?
2014-03-24 01:24 <smxy> Misterblue: ^^
2014-03-24 01:25 <Misterblue> just rub on some lotion
2014-03-24 01:27 <Arielle_> so the probs with tp would disappear if we made a varregion 16x16?
2014-03-24 01:28 <smxy> I see what you did there, Arielle_. :)
2014-03-24 01:28 <Arielle_> :)
2014-03-24 01:29 <Arielle_> must have been the lotion
2014-03-24 02:44 <osmantis> Bug #7061:04 Collisions and llCastRay 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 03:00 <osmantis> Bug #7061:04 Collisions and llCastRay 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 03:02 <osmantis> Bug #7061:04 Collisions and llCastRay 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 03:05 <osmantis> Bug #7061:04 Collisions and llCastRay 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 03:09 <osmantis> Bug #7061:04 Collisions and llCastRay 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 03:13 <osmantis> Bug #7061:04 Collisions and llCastRay 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 03:21 <osmantis> Bug #7061:04 Collisions and llCastRay 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 03:28 <osmantis> Bug #7061:04 Collisions and llCastRay 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 03:32 <osmantis> Bug #7061:04 Collisions and llCastRay 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 03:35 <osmantis> Bug #7061:04 Collisions and llCastRay 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 03:35 <osmantis> Bug #7061:04 Collisions and llCastRay 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 03:36 <osmantis> Bug #7061:04 Collisions and llCastRay 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 03:40 <osmantis> Bug #7061:04 Collisions and llCastRay 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 04:17 <osmantis> Bug #7061:04 Collisions and llCastRay 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 04:30 <velus> hey all who is up
2014-03-24 04:33 <osmantis> Bug #7061:04 Collisions and llCastRay 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 04:39 <velus> hey dahlia  hows you?
2014-03-24 04:50 <dahlia> hi velus
2014-03-24 05:21 <velus>  hows you ? and damm i feel good after that shower ll
2014-03-24 05:23 <velus> im going ot be heading off to my mums soon thank god i had my shower now lol yet a 4 and a half hour drive in a stuffy coach wont do me aany good
2014-03-24 05:28 <dahlia> I'm nice and clean and relaxed after my post-workout shower :)
2014-03-24 05:29 <velus> good good
2014-03-24 05:29 <velus> im nice and clean after my pre travelo shower lol
2014-03-24 05:29 <dahlia> hope you stay that way thru your trip :)
2014-03-24 05:30 <velus> yeah me too im going to see my family so i hope i do lol
2014-03-24 05:30 <dahlia> well mothers love you regardless ;)
2014-03-24 05:30 <velus> i know 
2014-03-24 05:30 <velus> so do fathers lol
2014-03-24 05:31 <velus> so what you been up to lately
2014-03-24 05:32 <dahlia> hacking, gaming, sleeping, eating, ageing :(
2014-03-24 05:33 <velus> awww me i been working on my site and that
2014-03-24 05:33 <dahlia> one of these days I need to learn how to do web stuff
2014-03-24 05:34 <velus> i can help you if you want 
2014-03-24 05:34 <dahlia> I can do really simple things
2014-03-24 05:34 <velus> you wanting to learn php?
2014-03-24 05:34 <dahlia> and I tried a couple CMSs once but got bored really fast
2014-03-24 05:35 <dahlia> never used php, Ive done mod-python and mod-cgi
2014-03-24 05:35 <velus> atually programming them or using them
2014-03-24 05:35 <dahlia> programming
2014-03-24 05:35 <dahlia> but just simple stuff
2014-03-24 05:35 <velus> if you know python you could easy learn php
2014-03-24 05:35 <dahlia> can do a bit of javascript
2014-03-24 05:36 <velus> thats good
2014-03-24 05:36 <dahlia> but I really hate javascript
2014-03-24 05:36 <velus> me too 
2014-03-24 05:36 <dahlia> absolutely horrid language
2014-03-24 05:36 <velus> i know 
2014-03-24 05:36 <velus> php is good to learn
2014-03-24 05:37 <dahlia> I think lkalif is a php contributor
2014-03-24 05:37 <dahlia> or was 
2014-03-24 05:37 <velus> its easy and close to c# in a wway speically OOP style
2014-03-24 05:37 <dahlia> I tried rails once, did some simple stuff and then got bored
2014-03-24 05:38 <dahlia> web is just boring lol
2014-03-24 05:38 <velus> i tired an got bord with rails too
2014-03-24 05:38 <velus> not always 
2014-03-24 05:39 <velus> whish i get picked up by cash cab when i get to liverpool lol i want to be paid going to my mothers
2014-03-24 05:39 <dahlia> ridesharing thingie?
2014-03-24 05:40 <velus> no its a cab where you become a contestant on a show you anser questions to get money if you answerthem correct you get money if you dont you will have to leave the cab but dont pay a pennie
2014-03-24 05:40 <velus> where you from ?
2014-03-24 05:41 <dahlia> Im in California
2014-03-24 05:41 <velus> nice nice wish i was
2014-03-24 05:41 <dahlia> I like it, been to UK also, seemed nice
2014-03-24 05:41 <velus> you should come again 
2014-03-24 05:41 <dahlia> someday perhaps
2014-03-24 05:41 <velus> yeah
2014-03-24 05:42 <velus> we should meet all of uis should
2014-03-24 05:42 <velus> Melanie_T:  you awake by any chance
2014-03-24 05:42 <dahlia> Ive met several opensim peeps
2014-03-24 05:43 <velus> you should meet me
2014-03-24 05:43 <dahlia> well maybe someday if you continue the showering thing ;)
2014-03-24 05:43 <velus> lol i always shower every morning and every night lol
2014-03-24 05:45 <velus> anyway i better get dressed ll be a few mins 
2014-03-24 05:45 <dahlia> have a nice trip
2014-03-24 05:54 <velus> i will and im gonna go so i can pack down my laptop and hope my dad sees how sad it is and gets me a new one lol
2014-03-24 05:59 <osmantis> Bug #7061:04 Collisions and llCastRay 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 10:43 <osmantis> Bug #6175:04 Rez an object from inventory and later remove it does not always persist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6175 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 10:43 <osmantis> Bug #6175:04 Rez an object from inventory and later remove it does not always persist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6175 ): The issue 0003059 has been set as DUPLICATE OF the following issue.
2014-03-24 10:43 <osmantis> Bug #3059:04 Non-root prims deleted shortly after delink always reappear on server restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3059 ): has been set as DUPLICATE OF issue 0006175.
2014-03-24 10:47 <osmantis> Bug #6175:04 Rez an object from inventory and later remove it does not always persist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6175 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 10:47 <osmantis> Bug #6175:04 Rez an object from inventory and later remove it does not always persist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6175 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-24 10:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #3401 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-24 10:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3401: FAILURE in 6 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3401/
2014-03-24 10:53 <osjenkins> orenh: When linking two groups, and then deleting the combined group: delete *all* of the combined group's prims, including those that came from the second subgroup
2014-03-24 11:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #3402 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #3400 15 hr ago)
2014-03-24 11:39 <osmantis> Bug #6936:04 [PATCH] Improved several error messages 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6936 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-24 11:40 <osmantis> Bug #6936:04 [PATCH] Improved several error messages 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6936 ): has been REOPENED.
2014-03-24 11:40 <osmantis> Bug #6936:04 [PATCH] Improved several error messages 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6936 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-24 11:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3402: STILL FAILING in 3 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3402/
2014-03-24 11:41 <osjenkins> * orenh: Removed "hacktastic" code that is no longer needed.
2014-03-24 11:41 <osjenkins> * orenh: Better error messages
2014-03-24 11:41 <osjenkins> * orenh: Get the full viewer name even if it's (incorrectly) sent in the 'Channel' field
2014-03-24 11:41 <osjenkins> * orenh: Enable runprebuild.bat to run in Cygwin
2014-03-24 11:41 <osjenkins> * orenh: Updated Prebuild to support .NET 4.5
2014-03-24 11:41 <osjenkins> * orenh: Changed to Unix line-endings in VS2010Target.cs
2014-03-24 11:41 <osmantis> Bug #6952:04 [PATCH] Get the full viewer name, even when it's sent in the wrong field 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6952 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-24 11:42 <osmantis> Bug #6951:04 [PATCH] Enable runprebuild.bat to run in Cygwin + support .NET 4.5 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6951 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-24 12:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #3403 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #3400 16 hr ago)
2014-03-24 12:21 <osmantis> Bug #6955:04 [PATCH] In UserAgentServiceConnector, log the server hostname instead of the IP 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6955 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-24 12:22 <H-H-H> ooooo bui.lld failure ?
2014-03-24 12:22 <H-H-H> build* 
2014-03-24 12:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3403: STILL FAILING in 3 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3403/
2014-03-24 12:25 <osjenkins> orenh: When logging in UserAgentServiceConnector, always log the original server URL (the hostname), not the IP
2014-03-24 12:26 <orenh> some unit tests are failing because of one of the bug fixes
2014-03-24 12:26 <orenh> I'll make them work
2014-03-24 12:40 <H-H-H> do you need a big pokey stick or maybe a big hammer?
2014-03-24 13:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #3404 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #3400 16 hr ago)
2014-03-24 13:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3404: STILL FAILING in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3404/
2014-03-24 13:10 <osjenkins> orenh: Fixed unit tests for delinking objects
2014-03-24 13:14 <orenh> huh, jenkins says 0 errors but it still claims the build failed
2014-03-24 13:15 <orenh> "External Program Failed: nunit-console2 (return code was 139)"
2014-03-24 13:15 <orenh> 139 = SIGSEV (segmentation violation)
2014-03-24 13:16 <H-H-H> well someones telling fibs lol
2014-03-24 13:17 <H-H-H> 
ACTION continues to beat the living daylights out of his migration code that just point blank refuses to do anything but spew red crap all over the console :|

2014-03-24 13:21 <H-H-H> any minute now im going to rip this code out and re start it again lol
2014-03-24 13:22 <orenh> Fred Brooks: "plan to throw one away; you will, anyhow"
2014-03-24 13:25 <osmantis> Bug #7061:04 Collisions and llCastRay 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 13:25 <orenh> anyone with access to jenkins here?
2014-03-24 13:26 <orenh> please force it to rebuild. Let's see if the problem was a fluke.
2014-03-24 13:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #3405 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #3400 17 hr ago)
2014-03-24 13:31 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2014-03-24 13:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3405: FIXED in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3405/
2014-03-24 13:32 <orenh> Yes, osjenkins, yippie indeed!
2014-03-24 13:32 <orenh> (Don't anthropomorphize computers. They don't like it)
2014-03-24 13:33 <H-H-H> if i knew what that meant i might agree with you :P
2014-03-24 13:35 <Thonneve> H-H-H: Don't treat computers as humans/alive I beleive
2014-03-24 13:36 <orenh> I was commenting on how osjenkins, which is a bot, talkes like a human...
2014-03-24 13:37 <orenh> I'm reminded that ages ago, when I was learning CS, we used an ML compiler (I think) that would say this whenever it finished compiling: "Happy happy joy joy"
2014-03-24 13:42 <H-H-H> haha ok hey tThoneeve was that link any good for you ?
2014-03-24 13:43 <H-H-H> bah typolitus is bad today :(
2014-03-24 13:46 <Thonneve> It was actually, haven't managed to mess with it a lot but definatley going to keep it in mind
2014-03-24 13:48 <H-H-H> well hopefully i will have the robust version out today if i can get these migrations to work lol
2014-03-24 13:51 <Thonneve> Awesome
2014-03-24 13:52 <H-H-H> i was also thinking of making them all into just one module with a config option to chose which you want ie robust,normal or non php version
2014-03-24 14:14 <smxy> Someone was busy this morning, I see.
2014-03-24 14:16 <H-H-H> hey smxy hows the cats? :)
2014-03-24 14:16 <smxy> They are hungry. I'm due to feed them in slightly under 12 minutes. :)
2014-03-24 14:17 <smxy> They have me on a tight schedule. :)
2014-03-24 14:17 <H-H-H> hehe give them a rub under the chin for me :)
2014-03-24 14:17 <H-H-H> and FINALLY my migration code works :D
2014-03-24 14:18 <H-H-H> i think i need a refill of coffe to celebrate lol
2014-03-24 14:43 <H-H-H> ok comon admit it who has made the typo from public to pubic when writting a new c# code file ?
2014-03-24 15:03 <osmantis> Bug #7061:04 Collisions and llCastRay 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 15:06 <osmantis> Bug #7061:04 Collisions and llCastRay 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 15:10 <osmantis> Bug #7061:04 Collisions and llCastRay 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 15:12 <osmantis> Bug #7061:04 Collisions and llCastRay 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 15:18 <H-H-H> ok guys just a quick question :)
2014-03-24 15:18 <H-H-H> would this be ok to run a very light usage grid on ? https://interserver.net/dock/vps-198063.html
2014-03-24 15:19 <Plugh> 512MB memory seems a bit low. How many regions did you want to run?
2014-03-24 15:21 <H-H-H> 1 maybe 2 standard not vars and they would be fairly empty
2014-03-24 15:21 <nebadon_laptop> 512 is not enough for even 1
2014-03-24 15:21 <nebadon_laptop> sure you can get it to startup and even build a little bit
2014-03-24 15:21 <nebadon_laptop> but I think 4-5 avatars and it will start running pretty bad
2014-03-24 15:22 <nebadon_laptop> for sandbox purposes I think you should stick by 1 core 1gb ram per region rule
2014-03-24 15:22 <nebadon_laptop> for development / single user sandbox
2014-03-24 15:22 <H-H-H> i was thinking the max it would have on it would be 3 ppl lol hence why i said very light usage
2014-03-24 15:22 <nebadon_laptop> if your going for Second Life style region and performance
2014-03-24 15:22 <Plugh> You should allow a minimum of around 512MB per. How much memory you actually needs depends on how many objects will be in it. Allow space for the operating system, Robust, MySQL, and the webserver.
2014-03-24 15:22 <nebadon_laptop> you should really use the 1 core 2gb ram rule
2014-03-24 15:23 <Plugh> A lot of the low prim count regions I have running are between 512MB and 1GB RAM.
2014-03-24 15:23 <nebadon_laptop> ya after then operating system takes its chunk out of 512mb you will be lucky to have 300mb available
2014-03-24 15:23 <nebadon_laptop> ya but you need to consider avatar load too
2014-03-24 15:23 <nebadon_laptop> in 512mb ram you could probably rez 1000s of prims
2014-03-24 15:24 <nebadon_laptop> but after 2 avatars log in you will start seeing performance degredation
2014-03-24 15:24 <nebadon_laptop> it really depends on what your doing that determines how much resources you need
2014-03-24 15:24 <H-H-H> ok thanks guys :) i will see what they offer regarding memory
2014-03-24 15:25 <nebadon_laptop> a safe configuration that will cover most uses is 1 cpu core and 2gb ram per simulator
2014-03-24 15:27 <Abitar> Yeah you can prototype with less but running int he long run atleast that, and you still have to monitor for memory use 
2014-03-24 15:27 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-03-24 15:27 <H-H-H> to be honest nebadon_laptop that would probably be about all i would need as im not talking huge grid like osgrid just something for me to tinker and fiddle with 
2014-03-24 15:28 <Plugh> My machine has only 4G RAM and I run a couple of regions when I'm doing tests. I don't think I'd want to use a machine with less memory.
2014-03-24 15:28 <H-H-H> as i dont have a decent connection at home or i would just host it here
2014-03-24 15:28 <nebadon_laptop> ya then 1 core / 1gb ram per simulator should be ok
2014-03-24 15:28 <nebadon_laptop> just remember if your VPS only has 1gb ram
2014-03-24 15:28 <nebadon_laptop> only about 768mb will be available for apps
2014-03-24 15:28 <nebadon_laptop> possibly less if you have other things running like mysql and apache
2014-03-24 15:28 <H-H-H> so ideally a bare minimum of maybe 1.5gb so opensim "should" have atleast 1gb ram to itself
2014-03-24 15:29 <nebadon_laptop> right
2014-03-24 15:29 <nebadon_laptop> that would be ideal
2014-03-24 15:29 <H-H-H> ok thanks
2014-03-24 15:29 <Plugh> Some very light regions or sandboxes are still showing memory usage around 250MB or so.
2014-03-24 15:30 <Abitar> I finding sims will run from abbout 500mb to about 1.2 GB with no avatars and avatars can raise that rather quickly 
2014-03-24 15:30 <H-H-H> what are water regions like on mem use these days ?
2014-03-24 15:30 <nebadon_laptop> Plugh, but that is sitting idle and empty right?
2014-03-24 15:31 <nebadon_laptop> an empty region with no content at all will probably use around 100mb ram
2014-03-24 15:31 <nebadon_laptop> if you run multiple regions per simulator its not as bad
2014-03-24 15:32 <nebadon_laptop> maybe like 4 empty regions i 1 simulator uses 150-200mb ram at most
2014-03-24 15:32 <nebadon_laptop> it depends on what version of mono or .net your using too etc.
2014-03-24 15:32 <nebadon_laptop> lots of variables
2014-03-24 15:33 <Plugh> Hm... odd. I have a region throwing red text saying that "Adding physics for actor <avatarname> to <regionname> but this scene presence already has a physics actor" followed by an exception.
2014-03-24 15:33 <H-H-H> i will be useing a 3.10 kernel with mono 3.2.3 
2014-03-24 15:33 <Plugh> yeah, 250MB would be empty or mostly so and no activity in it.
2014-03-24 15:34 <Plugh> I have one region that sits at about 1.4G RAM. It recently hosted a live music event that attracted a total of 35 people at its peak (including the performer). Memory peaked around 1.8G.
2014-03-24 15:34 <nebadon_laptop> ya that sounds about right Plugh
2014-03-24 15:35 <H-H-H> that doesnt sound to bad considering
2014-03-24 15:35 <nebadon_laptop> I think in SL your gauranteed 1 cpu core and minimum of 2gb ram, however they allow for spiking of much higher
2014-03-24 15:35 <nebadon_laptop> probably double that
2014-03-24 15:35 <Plugh> Biggest event in the grid so far. I was glad of the work that had been done for CCC that helped make sure you can handle reasonable number of avatars in a region.
2014-03-24 15:35 <Abitar> how are you mesuring it? 
2014-03-24 15:36 <Plugh> I was watching the machine statistics.
2014-03-24 15:36 <Plugh> Avatar count was monitored using /SStats/ 
2014-03-24 15:37 <Plugh> FPS and PhyFPS stayed at around 52+ the whole time.
2014-03-24 15:37 <Plugh> and up as high as 55.
2014-03-24 15:37 <Arielle_> any idea what it required in bandwidth for  both peak and total?
2014-03-24 15:40 <Plugh> Arielle_: That is a tough question to answer. It depends on a lot of factors. One machine to run entire grid (include database and webserver) or multiple machines? How much activity is the grid going to see? How many avatars in the grid at one time.
2014-03-24 15:40 <Arielle_> i was meaning for the event in this case
2014-03-24 15:40 <Plugh> More bandwidth means you can push more data from the grid machine(s) to the avatars in a shorter period of time. Hard to say what the minimum bandwidth should be.
2014-03-24 15:40 <Abitar> casue we have a range of 850MB to 1650MB of our idle sims :)  the lower numbers are nearly empty and the higher numers are the fuller and more used after a busy weekend. 
2014-03-24 15:43 <Abitar> And restarting them the peak woudl be right around 1000m
2014-03-24 15:45 <H-H-H> i just found out that vps only allows a max of 20% cpu usage :| 
2014-03-24 15:45 <osmantis> Bug #7061:04 Collisions and llCastRay 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 15:45 <nebadon_laptop> H-H-H if you really look at the TOS of like 95% vps providers
2014-03-24 15:45 <Abitar> yea most VPS have a limit on cpu use because your sharing the server with others 
2014-03-24 15:45 <nebadon_laptop> almost all of them have a clause that says no Game Servers
2014-03-24 15:46 <nebadon_laptop> on most you can get away with it
2014-03-24 15:46 <nebadon_laptop> but the first sign your consuming to much resources they will cut you off without notice
2014-03-24 15:46 <nebadon_laptop> running opensimulator on cheapo vps is risky business
2014-03-24 15:46 <H-H-H> si if money was no object lol i guess the best thing is a dedicated
2014-03-24 15:47 <nebadon_laptop> you can find some good deals on dedicated
2014-03-24 15:47 <nebadon_laptop> whats your budget?
2014-03-24 15:47 <H-H-H> 60-80 GBP/Month
2014-03-24 15:47 <nebadon_laptop> thats enough for dedicated
2014-03-24 15:48 <nebadon_laptop> thats 131$ USD a month
2014-03-24 15:48 <nebadon_laptop> you can get a kick ass dedicated for that 
2014-03-24 15:48 <nebadon_laptop> quad core with 8gb+ a month
2014-03-24 15:48 <H-H-H> yes i would like it cheaper we all would but not at the expense of usability
2014-03-24 15:48 <nebadon_laptop> 100mb pipe
2014-03-24 15:48 <nebadon_laptop> check this place out
2014-03-24 15:48 <nebadon_laptop> http://hetzner.de/en/
2014-03-24 15:48 <nebadon_laptop> you will not find a better deal on earth
2014-03-24 15:49 <nebadon_laptop> http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/px60
2014-03-24 15:49 <nebadon_laptop> 70 euros a month
2014-03-24 15:49 <nebadon_laptop> ntel� Xeon� E3-1270 v3
2014-03-24 15:49 <nebadon_laptop> Quadcore Haswell
2014-03-24 15:49 <nebadon_laptop> incl. Hyper-Threading Technology
2014-03-24 15:49 <nebadon_laptop>     RAM 32 GB ECC RAM
2014-03-24 15:49 <nebadon_laptop>     Hard Drive 2 x 2 TB SATA 6 Gb/s 7200 rpm
2014-03-24 15:49 <nebadon_laptop>     HDD (Software-RAID 1)
2014-03-24 15:49 <nebadon_laptop>     Class Enterprise
2014-03-24 15:49 <nebadon_laptop>     Connection 1 Gbit/s-Port
2014-03-24 15:49 <nebadon_laptop>     Guaranteed Bandwidth 200 Mbit/s
2014-03-24 15:49 <nebadon_laptop> you can run a ton of simulators on this box
2014-03-24 15:49 <nebadon_laptop> 20+
2014-03-24 15:50 <nebadon_laptop> plus Robust services, Apache, MySQL, Nginx 
2014-03-24 15:50 <nebadon_laptop> anything you want
2014-03-24 15:50 <nebadon_laptop> and they even offer opensuse
2014-03-24 15:50 <Arielle_> does ssd if for opensim?
2014-03-24 15:50 <Arielle_> make much diff^
2014-03-24 15:50 <nebadon_laptop> sure, but you run the risk of catastrophic failure
2014-03-24 15:50 <nebadon_laptop> you need really good backup plan
2014-03-24 15:51 <nebadon_laptop> but yes overall SSD would make a big difference on really any application
2014-03-24 15:51 <nebadon_laptop> its just not nearly as reliable
2014-03-24 15:52 <H-H-H> hmmm thanks for that nebadon although it might be a bit overkill for what i want lol
2014-03-24 15:52 <nebadon_laptop> they have lesser models
2014-03-24 15:52 <nebadon_laptop> this one is in your budget though
2014-03-24 15:52 <H-H-H> but its better to be over prepared than under prepared lol
2014-03-24 15:52 <Arielle_> someone on the s/l blender group  was saying that new ssd units are more reliable then spindles now
2014-03-24 15:53 <nebadon_laptop> its debatable Arielle_
2014-03-24 15:53 <nebadon_laptop> the problem with SSDs is if even 1 bit fails
2014-03-24 15:53 <nebadon_laptop> you lose the entire drive
2014-03-24 15:53 <nebadon_laptop> there is no slow death
2014-03-24 15:53 <nebadon_laptop> its just 1 dead everything is gone
2014-03-24 15:53 <Abitar> THey are more reliable, but opensim dont really need a ssd to be fast :) 
2014-03-24 15:54 <Arielle_> yes nice to have a bit of warning
2014-03-24 15:54 <nebadon_laptop> if you run in Raid you lower your risk
2014-03-24 15:54 <nebadon_laptop> but its very expensive
2014-03-24 15:54 <nebadon_laptop> a signle SSD is risky
2014-03-24 15:54 <nebadon_laptop> single*
2014-03-24 15:55 <Arielle_> they mentioned cloud NAS for backup
2014-03-24 15:55 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2014-03-24 15:55 <nebadon_laptop> hetzner servers come with backup
2014-03-24 15:55 <nebadon_laptop> i have scoured the internet looking for better deals, and nothing even comes close to hetzner
2014-03-24 15:55 <nebadon_laptop> i have 4 servers with them currently
2014-03-24 15:55 <nebadon_laptop> and they are great
2014-03-24 15:55 <nebadon_laptop> its EU though so not a great fit for everyone
2014-03-24 15:56 <nebadon_laptop> mostly in Germany
2014-03-24 15:56 <nebadon_laptop> I honestly dont know how they can offer such low cost service
2014-03-24 15:56 <nebadon_laptop> it doesnt make a whole lot of sense
2014-03-24 15:57 <nebadon_laptop> but its all high quality hardware and really good support
2014-03-24 15:57 <Arielle_> how long you been with them?
2014-03-24 15:57 <nebadon_laptop> hmm about a year
2014-03-24 15:57 <Arielle_> thats a good while
2014-03-24 15:58 <H-H-H> hey btw neb im almost done with the robust service version of the dwell module :)
2014-03-24 15:58 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2014-03-24 15:58 <Abitar> Bandwith in the states is exspensive. 
2014-03-24 15:59 <Arielle_> what will that do H-H-H ?
2014-03-24 15:59 <H-H-H> wich should work fine for grids which allow others to connect thier own regions like osgrid
2014-03-24 15:59 <H-H-H> it does parcell traffic Arielle
2014-03-24 16:00 <Arielle_> differentiates between avi's and npc?
2014-03-24 16:00 <H-H-H> yes
2014-03-24 16:00 <H-H-H> as a config option
2014-03-24 16:01 <Arielle_> what about local and hypergrid traffic?
2014-03-24 16:02 <H-H-H> i have not made any allowance for disabling or enabling the count of hg visitors but other trafic is counted
2014-03-24 16:02 <Arielle_> is it possible to differentiate between the 2?
2014-03-24 16:02 <H-H-H> although in theory the disable/allow hg visitors to count towards dwell shouldnt be to hard (famouse last words)
2014-03-24 16:02 <Arielle_> :)
2014-03-24 16:03 <Arielle_> just wondered as there has been a bit of talk about such a feature in a couple of places
2014-03-24 16:03 <H-H-H> i thinkk so i mean for xample the npc check is real simple :) it just checkes the sceneprescnece type for the uuid
2014-03-24 16:04 <H-H-H> but i be honest as i dont run hg (yet) i havent added it but all my stuff is  on github if you want to look :)
2014-03-24 16:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #3406 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2014-03-24 16:06 <H-H-H> i have also found something i consider a bug but i used it to my advantage
2014-03-24 16:07 <H-H-H> the OnAvatarEnteringNewParcel is NOT fired untill the av actually moves in a parce/region 
2014-03-24 16:07 <H-H-H> personally i would have thought it would fire on a tp or login but it doesnt untill the av moves
2014-03-24 16:07 <H-H-H> which is handy as i use iot to stop ppl from just region/parcel hopping via tp to increase traffic
2014-03-24 16:09 <H-H-H> but i need someone wiser than i to say if that is expected behavour or if it needs a mantis :)
2014-03-24 16:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3406: SUCCESS in 4 min 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3406/
2014-03-24 16:09 <osjenkins> orenh: When a user logs-in, automatically create the Suitcase folder
2014-03-24 16:11 <Arielle_> viewers  seem to pick up a new presence on radar and friends list on entry, not movement
2014-03-24 16:14 <H-H-H> but arent viewers sent an update when someone tp,s or logs in ?
2014-03-24 16:15 <Arielle_> assume so
2014-03-24 16:16 <H-H-H> i dont think (but dont quote me) they are notified from OnAvatarEnteringNewParcel i think its some other mechanism that sends a update to the viewer
2014-03-24 16:20 <Arielle_> you have a link to the github i can keep for reference H-H-H ?
2014-03-24 16:25 <H-H-H> https://github.com/H-H-H thats all my stuf
2014-03-24 16:31 <H-H-H> a lot of it is my hackings on other stuff from the net but the store module and dwell module are my own patched together frankenstiens lol
2014-03-24 16:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #3407 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-24 16:34 <Arielle_> kk thx H-H-H
2014-03-24 16:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3407: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3407/
2014-03-24 16:37 <osjenkins> orenh: Moved the linkage between LoginService and HGInventoryService to the config file
2014-03-24 16:50 <Thonneve> H-H-H: Don't you just love creating little frankenstiens
2014-03-24 16:51 <H-H-H> hehe well thats how opensim was born lol
2014-03-24 16:55 <Thonneve> That's how linux was born too
2014-03-24 16:56 <H-H-H> yep :)
2014-03-24 17:04 <H-H-H> brb goto walk the dogs :)
2014-03-24 17:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #3408 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-24 17:05 <osmantis> Bug #6933:04 [PATCH] Refactored: calculate "CreatorData" in one place 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6933 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-24 17:05 <osmantis> Bug #6934:04 [PATCH] Save to database some parcel changes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6934 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-24 17:06 <osmantis> Bug #6935:04 [PATCH] Workaround for failed user/group searches caused by extra spaces 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6935 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-24 17:06 <Arielle_> at this rate orenh wil have opensim in beta by the end of the month :)
2014-03-24 17:06 <osmantis> Bug #6937:04 [PATCH] Don't show hidden groups in search results 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6937 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-24 17:07 <orenh> It's patches that I've accumulated over quite a while
2014-03-24 17:07 <Arielle_> its great. Ty
2014-03-24 17:08 <osmantis> Bug #6938:04 [PATCH] Fixed updating user settings (part of the profile) in the database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6938 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-24 17:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3408: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3408/
2014-03-24 17:08 <osjenkins> * orenh: When updating the CreatorId of an inventory item, automatically update the CreatorIdAsUuid field as well
2014-03-24 17:08 <osjenkins> * orenh: Refactored: ExternalRepresentationUtils should be the only place where the "CreatorData" field is calculated, to ensure uniformity
2014-03-24 17:08 <osjenkins> * orenh: Save to database these parcel updates: Force Owner, Abandon Request, Reclaim. (Previously these updates only changed the parcel in memory)
2014-03-24 17:08 <osjenkins> * orenh: Fixed: OnRegionInfoChange was never triggered
2014-03-24 17:08 <osjenkins> * orenh: Trim search queries (for users, groups, etc.). I have found that sometimes the viewer adds a space at the end, which causes searches to fail.
2014-03-24 17:08 <osjenkins> * orenh: When searching for users, don't add users from the local cache if they have an invalid UUID
2014-03-24 17:08 <osjenkins> * orenh: Check settings for groups module
2014-03-24 17:08 <osjenkins> * orenh: Don't show hidden groups in search results
2014-03-24 17:08 <osmantis> Bug #6940:04 [PATCH] In HGAssetService, better search for "HomeURI" config 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6940 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-24 17:08 <osjenkins> * orenh: Fixed updating usersettings in the database
2014-03-24 17:08 <osjenkins> * orenh: If updating a user's profile notes fails then return an error
2014-03-24 17:08 <osjenkins> * orenh: HGAssetService searches for the "HomeURI" setting in several sections: Startup, Hypergrid, HGAssetService
2014-03-24 17:10 <smxy> Go Oren! :)
2014-03-24 17:18 <H-H-H> by the end of next week Arielle_ :P
2014-03-24 17:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #3409 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-24 17:19 <osmantis> Bug #6942:04 [PATCH] Load OAR: fix the User and Group ID's in objects that are embedded in assets 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6942 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-24 17:20 <osmantis> Bug #6943:04 [PATCH] In Load OAR, correctly restore group-owned objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6943 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-24 17:20 <osmantis> Bug #6944:04 [PATCH] Fixed parsing of coalesced objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6944 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-24 17:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3409: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3409/
2014-03-24 17:23 <osjenkins> * orenh: Refactored Load IAR: created a generic mechanism to modify the SOG's as they are being loaded
2014-03-24 17:23 <osjenkins> * orenh: During Load OAR, fix the User and Group ID's in objects that are embedded in assets (previously only rezzed objects were fixed)
2014-03-24 17:23 <osjenkins> * orenh: In Load OAR: Zero isn't a valid Group ID
2014-03-24 17:23 <osjenkins> * orenh: In Load OAR, correctly restore group-owned objects
2014-03-24 17:23 <osjenkins> * orenh: Fixed parsing of coalesced objects if the XML starts with an XML Declaration ("<xml ...>")
2014-03-24 17:24 <nebadon_laptop> orenh that last patch is great! the fix user and group ids in objects embedded in assets
2014-03-24 17:24 <nebadon_laptop> thanks
2014-03-24 17:25 <orenh> you're welcome :)
2014-03-24 17:25 <nebadon_laptop> hopefully that fixes some of the permissions issues when moving oars around
2014-03-24 17:26 <orenh> I should mention that this is only a partial solution
2014-03-24 17:26 <orenh> because if the same asset (with the same UUID) already exists in the grid then it won't be replaced
2014-03-24 17:26 <orenh> so it will have the Owner ID of whichever user first imported it into the grid
2014-03-24 17:26 <orenh> but still, this solves many of the problem cases
2014-03-24 17:27 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-03-24 17:28 <nebadon_laptop> what would be nice
2014-03-24 17:28 <nebadon_laptop> is if we had an option to set the UUID of who will own everything
2014-03-24 17:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #3410 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-24 17:28 <osmantis> Bug #6946:04 [PATCH] If prim region crossing fails then don't delete the prim from the original region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6946 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-24 17:28 <nebadon_laptop> like > load oar --owneruuid=XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX blah.oar
2014-03-24 17:28 <nebadon_laptop> etc..
2014-03-24 17:28 <osmantis> Bug #6949:04 [PATCH] Improved logging of HTTP requests 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6949 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 17:28 <osmantis> Bug #6949:04 [PATCH] Improved logging of HTTP requests 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6949 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-03-24 17:29 <osmantis> Bug #6949:04 [PATCH] Improved logging of HTTP requests 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6949 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-03-24 17:29 <nebadon_laptop> would make merging oars in regions that have lots of people who you dont want the content to become property of the estate owner
2014-03-24 17:29 <nebadon_laptop> makes it hard to seperate the new content from fixed content already in the region that really has no association to new content
2014-03-24 17:30 <nebadon_laptop> this would have made OSCC so much easier last year
2014-03-24 17:30 <nebadon_laptop> in the Expo regions where everyone was building their parcels on their own grid with our template
2014-03-24 17:30 <orenh> we've had a similar problem in the Kitely Welcome Center
2014-03-24 17:30 <orenh> but we just assigned everything to Ilan... (with the creators' permission, of course)
2014-03-24 17:31 <nebadon_laptop> ya for me it was a real pain in the ass because people wanted to be able to modify their stuff after it was brought over
2014-03-24 17:31 <nebadon_laptop> so i had to really jump through a lot of hoops
2014-03-24 17:31 <nebadon_laptop> some of the builds were 1000s of prims so selecting everything was difficult
2014-03-24 17:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3410: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3410/
2014-03-24 17:32 <osjenkins> * orenh: If prim region crossing fails then don't delete the prim from the original region
2014-03-24 17:32 <osjenkins> * orenh: Fixed Debug command for Groups. (Use of wrong capitalization caused *two* "debug" options to appear in "help")
2014-03-24 17:32 <orenh> Ok, I'm done for tonight
2014-03-24 17:32 <orenh> A few more patches tomorrow :)
2014-03-24 17:33 <nebadon_laptop> nice, thanks again :)
2014-03-24 17:34 <H-H-H> very much apreciated :)
2014-03-24 18:47 <osmantis> Bug #7061:04 Collisions and llCastRay 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 19:16 <H-H-H> anyone know if i am right in thinking that NPC,s do not have a user account ?
2014-03-24 19:17 <AllenKerensky> they do not - you assign the name in the create call
2014-03-24 19:18 <H-H-H> good so if i want to check if a given uuid is an npc ifrom robust i can use if (this.m_UserAccountService.GetUserAccount (UUID.Zero, clientID) == null) {
2014-03-24 19:18 <H-H-H>             }
2014-03-24 19:18 <H-H-H> an NPC will be none and a normal av wont be lol
2014-03-24 19:18 <AllenKerensky> i can't answer that, sorry
2014-03-24 19:21 <H-H-H> thanks for your time anyway :)
2014-03-24 19:21 <nebadon_laptop> NPCs are not visible to robust
2014-03-24 19:21 <nebadon_laptop> they only exist in the region they are created
2014-03-24 19:22 <nebadon_laptop> what exactly are you trying to do H-H-H?
2014-03-24 19:23 <H-H-H> so then if i check the uuid passed to robust from a region module against the user server then it wont have an account for an NPC so the above code "should" work
2014-03-24 19:23 <nebadon_laptop> ya probably
2014-03-24 19:24 <H-H-H> nebadon_laptop i am sending a uuid of an av via xmlrpc from a region module to a robust service
2014-03-24 19:24 <H-H-H> then in robust i want to check if that uuid is an npc
2014-03-24 19:24 <nebadon_laptop> i think there is OSSL function
2014-03-24 19:24 <nebadon_laptop> osIsNpc
2014-03-24 19:24 <nebadon_laptop> returns true or false
2014-03-24 19:25 <H-H-H> in my version where it was just a region module it was easy as i just checked the sceneprescence type
2014-03-24 19:25 <nebadon_laptop> k
2014-03-24 19:25 <nebadon_laptop> you should be able to call that function in your module though
2014-03-24 19:25 <nebadon_laptop> without bothering robust
2014-03-24 19:25 <nebadon_laptop> checking robust is overkill
2014-03-24 19:25 <H-H-H> but as you probably know there are a lot of things that arent available to a robust service lol
2014-03-24 19:25 <osmantis> Bug #6949:04 [PATCH] Improved logging of HTTP requests 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6949 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-24 19:25 <nebadon_laptop> the less you talk to robust the better
2014-03-24 19:26 <nebadon_laptop> creating pointless connections
2014-03-24 19:26 <osmantis> Bug #6949:04 [PATCH] Improved logging of HTTP requests 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6949 ): has a PATCH ready to apply to trunk
2014-03-24 19:26 <nebadon_laptop> technically osIsNpc should be much faster too
2014-03-24 19:27 <H-H-H> im making a robust service so the robust hoster has control over the dwell configs for every region that connects to it
2014-03-24 19:27 <Melanie_T> H-H-H: nothing is supposed to pass NPC uuids to robust
2014-03-24 19:27 <Melanie_T> that would be meaningless
2014-03-24 19:27 <H-H-H> im passing a av uuid and checking if it is a npc
2014-03-24 19:27 <nebadon_laptop> right you dont need to touch robust to do that
2014-03-24 19:27 <nebadon_laptop> is my point
2014-03-24 19:27 <nebadon_laptop> your wasting cycles
2014-03-24 19:28 <nebadon_laptop> putting uneeded strain on robust
2014-03-24 19:28 <H-H-H> well im open to ideas from those wiser than i :)
2014-03-24 19:28 <Melanie_T> H-H-H: you need to check that on the region and never pass the uuid if it's a npc
2014-03-24 19:28 <Melanie_T> the scope of a pcn is region local
2014-03-24 19:28 <Melanie_T> they can't even regioncross
2014-03-24 19:28 <Melanie_T> so nothing needs to communicate their ids outside the region and nothing should
2014-03-24 19:30 <H-H-H> ok checking it on the region is not a problem :) but im unsure how a setting in robust.ini could be conveyed to the region so the region module knows if it has to count npc,s or not
2014-03-24 19:30 <Melanie_T> it can't be
2014-03-24 19:30 <Melanie_T> that setting should not be a robust setting then
2014-03-24 19:30 <Melanie_T> it should be a region setting
2014-03-24 19:31 <H-H-H> well the configs are being done on the robust server so that all regions connected run the same config
2014-03-24 19:31 <Melanie_T> that is not how opensim's architecture works
2014-03-24 19:31 <Melanie_T> that needs to be a region config and checked there
2014-03-24 19:31 <Melanie_T> there are several options
2014-03-24 19:32 <H-H-H> and for example if osgrid used it then osgrid admins only would be able to change it rather than if it was in the region config where any user connecting a region could use a totally different config
2014-03-24 19:32 <Melanie_T> the point is that opensim is designed specifically to make such "forcing" impossible
2014-03-24 19:32 <H-H-H> thats what im trying to avoid if that makes sense
2014-03-24 19:32 <Melanie_T> the owner of a region is it's master
2014-03-24 19:32 <Melanie_T> no ifs ands or buts
2014-03-24 19:33 <Melanie_T> all you'd do is make the people change a line of code instead of a config file if they want something different
2014-03-24 19:33 <Melanie_T> also, they would resent being "forced"
2014-03-24 19:33 <Melanie_T> as i was going to say
2014-03-24 19:33 <Melanie_T> there are several options here
2014-03-24 19:33 <Melanie_T> #1, make it a region config (preferred)
2014-03-24 19:34 <Melanie_T> #2, add an extra query to the robust service for the region to grab config flags from it (overhead!)
2014-03-24 19:34 <Melanie_T> or
2014-03-24 19:34 <Melanie_T> #3, let the region send the count of avatars and the count of mpcs separately
2014-03-24 19:34 <Melanie_T> only the count is needed anyway, not the uuids
2014-03-24 19:34 <Melanie_T> if, as I think, you're working on dwell
2014-03-24 19:35 <Melanie_T> then all you need is the count
2014-03-24 19:35 <Melanie_T> so the region might send "parcelid", avatarcount, npccount
2014-03-24 19:35 <H-H-H> at the moment the region module does all the counting then sends it via xmlrpc to a robust service that keeps the db updated
2014-03-24 19:35 <Melanie_T> the service can then decide to add them, have separate stats, or simply ignore the npcs
2014-03-24 19:36 <Melanie_T> i think option #3 is the one you need
2014-03-24 19:36 <Melanie_T> send, per parcel, just the count of avatars and the count of npcs 
2014-03-24 19:36 <H-H-H> which is also closest to the model i have already :)
2014-03-24 19:36 <Melanie_T> the server doesn't need any uuids for this
2014-03-24 19:36 <Melanie_T> and that way the server can decide which value it uses and how
2014-03-24 19:36 <Melanie_T> the regio needs no config
2014-03-24 19:37 <Melanie_T> it has no need to know
2014-03-24 19:37 <H-H-H> yeah so i will do all the processing on the region module and then send the count to the robust service to do its thing with the db and put configs into the region module :)
2014-03-24 19:37 <Melanie_T> what configs does the region moduel still need for that?
2014-03-24 19:37 <Melanie_T> i doubt it needs any
2014-03-24 19:38 <H-H-H> it has a config to determin if the user wants NPC,s counted toward the dwell
2014-03-24 19:38 <Melanie_T> you're not understanding me
2014-03-24 19:38 <Melanie_T> the region doesn't need to know or care
2014-03-24 19:38 <Melanie_T> on the region just do this:
2014-03-24 19:39 <Melanie_T> if (av.IsNpc) npcCount++ else avatarCount++
2014-03-24 19:39 <Melanie_T> then send BOTH counts to the service
2014-03-24 19:39 <Melanie_T> as i said above
2014-03-24 19:39 <Melanie_T> then the _service_ can choose to add them if it wants
2014-03-24 19:39 <Melanie_T> and, yay, no more need for a region config
2014-03-24 19:40 <H-H-H> hmmm i see i think so then the config would be on robust side and if set to not count npc,s it would just ignore npcCount sent from the region
2014-03-24 19:40 <Melanie_T> correct
2014-03-24 19:41 <H-H-H> ok  i have one other config which is basically a time in minutes which if an av leaves and then re enters the region befor x minutes has passed it wont count it
2014-03-24 19:42 <Melanie_T> that would have to be configured at region level
2014-03-24 19:42 <Melanie_T> and in the region module config
2014-03-24 19:43 <H-H-H> which it is currently
2014-03-24 19:43 <Melanie_T> so that is correct then
2014-03-24 19:43 <Melanie_T> basically, this is open source
2014-03-24 19:44 <Melanie_T> many users are well able to make minor changes to the code
2014-03-24 19:44 <Melanie_T> trying to crate a system that generates fair traffic measurements for osgrid is not possibe
2014-03-24 19:44 <Melanie_T> since it's so trivial to report fake numbers 
2014-03-24 19:44 <Melanie_T> for that reason, the config might as well be at region level
2014-03-24 19:45 <H-H-H> this is just for fun , i just used osgrid as an example deployment scenario :)
2014-03-24 19:45 <Melanie_T> any mechanism to "secure" it can trivially be circumvented anyway
2014-03-24 19:45 <Melanie_T> in a closed grid, the task of keeping configs straight lies with the management of the grid
2014-03-24 19:45 <Melanie_T> so it is not an issue that it is a region config
2014-03-24 19:45 <Melanie_T> opensim is able to load it's configuration from a URL
2014-03-24 19:46 <Melanie_T> that is what avination does to ensure all regions have the same config
2014-03-24 19:46 <Melanie_T> so in that scenario, a region level parameter is no bother at all
2014-03-24 19:46 <H-H-H> yeah i see your point i wasnt thinking opensource :)
2014-03-24 19:47 <H-H-H> thanks for takeing the time to talk me through that :)
2014-03-24 19:47 <Melanie_T> no problem
2014-03-24 19:47 <Melanie_T> i'm always happy to help people understand the project :)
2014-03-24 19:48 <H-H-H> maybe you could also answer something i found earlier
2014-03-24 19:48 <H-H-H> the OnAvatarEnteringNewParcel is NOT fired untill the av actually moves in a parce/region
2014-03-24 19:49 <H-H-H> is this the right behavour or should i mantis it
2014-03-24 19:50 <Melanie_T> it should properly be fired the moment the avatar crosses the line. however, since it is only checked on significant movement, the avatar may be able to walk into the parcel for a couple of steps before it fires
2014-03-24 19:50 <Melanie_T> it's known but i still consider this a bug
2014-03-24 19:51 <Melanie_T> a related bug causes the server to misinformt he viewer of the agent location. thisis what causes sound sometimes not to play
2014-03-24 19:51 <Melanie_T> the two are loosely related
2014-03-24 19:51 <H-H-H> i would have expected it to fire when loging into a region or tp but it doesnt untill the av walks a few steps as you say
2014-03-24 19:51 <Melanie_T> its NOT meant to fire on TP
2014-03-24 19:51 <Melanie_T> or login
2014-03-24 19:51 <Melanie_T> itls ONLY meant to fire on walking crossings
2014-03-24 19:52 <H-H-H> hmmm interesting
2014-03-24 19:52 <Melanie_T> it's there for triggering banline responses
2014-03-24 19:52 <Melanie_T> tp and login handle bans elsewhere
2014-03-24 19:53 <H-H-H> and there is also onClientLogin and associated methods
2014-03-24 19:53 <Melanie_T> OnNewClient
2014-03-24 19:53 <Melanie_T> that also fires for child agents
2014-03-24 19:53 <Melanie_T> and then there is an event that fires when a child becomes root
2014-03-24 19:54 <H-H-H> OnMakeRootAgent iirc
2014-03-24 19:54 <Melanie_T> yes, something like that
2014-03-24 19:55 <Plugh> Has anyone tested incoming data from websites recently in 076PF? I have an LSL script that sends data to a webserver. That part works. The script responds with some data which I never receive.
2014-03-24 19:55 <Melanie_T> create a minimal test case and see if that works
2014-03-24 19:55 <Melanie_T> request a page from google or something
2014-03-24 19:55 <H-H-H> thanks again for your time i feel a remodel coming on :)
2014-03-24 19:55 <Melanie_T> not your server
2014-03-24 19:56 <Melanie_T> exclude all possble variables
2014-03-24 19:56 <Melanie_T> then, if the error remains, you can check versions
2014-03-24 19:56 <Melanie_T> i'm not aware of a break in http request
2014-03-24 19:56 <osmantis> Bug #7076:04 Terrrain module not checking bounds on elevation. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7076 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-24 19:57 <Plugh> I was trying to use scripts that I last used back in 0.6.9 days. I verified outgoing data. I have now switched to the test script that listens for incoming message and its not getting the response.
2014-03-24 19:57 <Plugh> The test object used to work.
2014-03-24 20:02 <nebadon_laptop> should work
2014-03-24 20:02 <nebadon_laptop> HTTP in and out
2014-03-24 20:02 <nebadon_laptop> pretty sure people would be screaming if it stopped working
2014-03-24 20:02 <nebadon_laptop> unless it broke in the last couple days maybe
2014-03-24 20:03 <dahlia> Ive noticed some script wonkyness in the last few months... I log into my home region on osgrid and my appearance loads and my AO works. I TP to wright plaza, all is fine. I go back home and everything loads but my AO never functions. I have to detach and reattach to get it to work
2014-03-24 20:03 <dahlia> no clue why
2014-03-24 20:04 <dahlia> did some setting change somewhere which could be related?
2014-03-24 20:08 <nebadon_laptop> hmm don't think so dahlia
2014-03-24 20:08 <nebadon_laptop> i cant remember the last time someone changed Xengine
2014-03-24 20:08 <nebadon_laptop> its been a very long time
2014-03-24 20:09 <dahlia> I just noticed this behavior probably within the last 2-3 months, it probably could have been longer and I just didnt notice
2014-03-24 20:11 <dahlia> let me rephrase the question... what would prevent the scripts in the AO from loading/starting after a teleport?
2014-03-24 20:36 <nebadon_laptop> hmm
2014-03-24 20:36 <nebadon_laptop> I am not sure dahlia
2014-03-24 20:40 <Plugh> I've wasted enough time on this for today. I'll have another look at getting inbound http data another time. I have some documentation to work on.
2014-03-24 21:34 <Plugh> I'm seeing a strange error when starting a region. 
2014-03-24 21:35 <Plugh> [EVENT MANAGER]: Deletegate for TriggerOnNewClient failed
2014-03-24 21:36 <Plugh>  - continuing. The given key was not present in the dictionary. 
2014-03-24 21:36 <Plugh> Users can't TP to that region.
2014-03-24 21:38 <nebadon_laptop> ive seen that kind of error message before, but not in your context
2014-03-24 21:39 <nebadon_laptop> have you ever been able to get to this region?
2014-03-24 21:40 <Plugh> AFAICT, I've been told no one can get there but avatars my avatar has god powers and can get there.
2014-03-24 21:41 <Plugh> The one odd thing I saw was that the maximum allowed prim count was 0.
2014-03-24 21:41 <nebadon_laptop> hmm
2014-03-24 21:41 <nebadon_laptop> maybe parcel data is screwed up
2014-03-24 21:42 <Plugh> It should be 5000
2014-03-24 21:48 <Plugh> Where is the prim limit stored in the db?
2014-03-24 21:49 <Plugh> Might have been a bad oar load or bad oar. Going to make a new OAR from a similar region and try loading again.
2014-03-24 21:51 <smxy> I saw prims allowed go to 0 when I loaded the first oar into my first varregion. A restart of the region fixed it. If it's related, a restart of your region might fix it too.
2014-03-24 21:51 <smxy> Can't hurt to try, anyway.
2014-03-24 21:52 <Plugh> yea. That's what I thought.
2014-03-24 21:52 <Plugh> already done a restart.
2014-03-24 21:53 <smxy> Oh well. Was worth a shot. :)
2014-03-24 21:54 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-03-24 21:54 <Plugh> Reloading a freshly made oar seems to have fixed the issue.
2014-03-24 21:55 <smxy> Good. :)
2014-03-24 21:56 <Plugh> phew!
2014-03-24 21:56 <Plugh> :)
2014-03-24 22:13 <Plugh> I was told it was fixed but region capacity still showed 0 to me. Perhaps I need to relog.
2014-03-24 22:17 <Plugh> Is the region prim limit only specified via the Region ini files and not via a database?
2014-03-24 22:35 <Plugh> Hm... specifying default perms module and prim limits module using ", " between the two appears as if the module may not be seeing that the limits module is enabled.
2014-03-24 22:35 <Plugh> bbl. dinner is ready.
2014-03-24 22:52 <dahlia> 
ACTION blames justincc

2014-03-24 22:52 <justincc> I do too
2014-03-24 22:53 <dahlia> :)
2014-03-24 22:58 <Plugh> Hey, justincc
2014-03-24 22:59 <justincc> hi Plugh
2014-03-24 22:59 <Plugh> Think I may have found a silly error in the code. If you list the two permissions modules with comma separation it is ok. If you use a comma followed by a space it won't see the second permissions module.
2014-03-24 22:59 <Plugh> PrimLimitsModule only splits the line on the ,
2014-03-24 23:00 <justincc> yeah, that sounds like a bug, need to trim the list of names after splitting or do something else to eliminate whitespace
2014-03-24 23:00 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-03-24 23:00 <Plugh> I was being asked about enforcing prim limits in the grid. I had added the limits module but it seems it wasn't doing anything. Now I see why.
2014-03-24 23:02 <Plugh> Yup. Same issue in the DefaultPermissionsModule. Just a split on ','
2014-03-24 23:05 <AllenKerensky> I think that is desired behavior for the AllowedClient/BannedClient parsing, however, so whether to trim or not should be a context-specific thing
2014-03-24 23:06 <Plugh> justincc: The simple option is to use a version of Split that accepts a list of separator characters.
2014-03-24 23:09 <justincc> you want to take care of any whitespavce
2014-03-24 23:09 <justincc> if you import System.Linq you can do 
2014-03-24 23:09 <justincc> List<string> modules = new List<string>(permissionModules.Split(',').Select(m => m.Trim());
2014-03-24 23:11 <Plugh> Isn't it simpler to just use pass a list of separators as shown here -> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms228388.aspx
2014-03-24 23:11 <Plugh> May not need that many. Just space, comma, and tab.
2014-03-24 23:12 <Plugh> Seems simpler than having to import another module.
2014-03-24 23:12 <justincc> you could though it's less elegant in this situation
2014-03-24 23:12 <justincc> it's just "using System.Linq"
2014-03-24 23:13 <Plugh> My way is easier to read and understand. If I use the module approach I would have to comment it
2014-03-24 23:15 <justincc> I disagree - I think with your approach you're adding some clutter with specific whitespace stuff in the code.  However, this isn't really a big deal - it can be done either way.  But if you continue to split, make sure you are ignore splits which contain no cahrs
2014-03-24 23:15 <justincc> or I could make the change now, as I just wrote the line :)
2014-03-24 23:16 <justincc> or there's a Regex.Split() command
2014-03-24 23:18 <dahlia> hey justincc, know of any reason why attachment scripts would fail to load/start after a teleport?
2014-03-24 23:18 <Plugh> Of course the C# compiler tells me I can't just put a comma separate list inside [ ].
2014-03-24 23:19 <justincc> dahlia: not off the top of my head
2014-03-24 23:20 <dahlia> my AO on osgrid, when I teleport to my home region it shows up on my screen attachment point but the scripts dont start. I have to detach/reattach
2014-03-24 23:20 <justincc> that's new behaviuor?
2014-03-24 23:20 <nebadon_laptop> dahlia didnt you find something a while ago about detachments not being removed from the scene if you teleported to fast after logging in or something?
2014-03-24 23:20 <dahlia> noticed it like maybe 2-3 months ago
2014-03-24 23:21 <dahlia> nebadon_laptop: that was different
2014-03-24 23:21 <nebadon_laptop> or teleporting twice in a row real fast
2014-03-24 23:21 <nebadon_laptop> ok, i was thinking maybe there was some kind of conflict there
2014-03-24 23:21 <nebadon_laptop> could it be something with AppDomains
2014-03-24 23:21 <lkalif> justincc: that linq example was really complicated
2014-03-24 23:21 <nebadon_laptop> are you running false on AppDomains?
2014-03-24 23:21 <dahlia> have to look
2014-03-24 23:22 <nebadon_laptop> might try flipping that and see if it makes a difference at all
2014-03-24 23:22 <nebadon_laptop> if your on linux and have it set for true that can also be problematic
2014-03-24 23:22 <lkalif> all you need is string[] modules = Regex.Split("permissionModules", @"\s*,\s*");
2014-03-24 23:22 <nebadon_laptop> im just wondering if you see different results
2014-03-24 23:22 <lkalif> erm no "" around permissionModules
2014-03-24 23:23 <justincc> lkalif: I disagree, it's just a split then a select
2014-03-24 23:23 <justincc> lkalif: but yes, regex works as well
2014-03-24 23:23 <dahlia> dont seem to specify AppDomain anything
2014-03-24 23:23 <nebadon_laptop> in [Xegine]
2014-03-24 23:23 <dahlia> [XEngine]
2014-03-24 23:23 <nebadon_laptop> AppDomainLoading = 
2014-03-24 23:24 <nebadon_laptop> I think the default is true
2014-03-24 23:24 <nebadon_laptop> let me look
2014-03-24 23:24 <dahlia>     ; AppDomainLoading = true
2014-03-24 23:24 <dahlia> commented
2014-03-24 23:24 <lkalif> btw. great tool for live testing .net regular expressions http://regexhero.net/tester/
2014-03-24 23:24 <nebadon_laptop> ok then its true
2014-03-24 23:24 <nebadon_laptop> if your running in mono this could be your problem
2014-03-24 23:24 <dahlia> oh?
2014-03-24 23:24 <nebadon_laptop> I have all kinds of problems when that is true in Linux
2014-03-24 23:24 <nebadon_laptop> it will work for a while
2014-03-24 23:25 <dahlia> hmm maybe I set it false
2014-03-24 23:25 <nebadon_laptop> but as soon as you cross a certain threshold things start going bonkers
2014-03-24 23:25 <nebadon_laptop> can be a huge time waster
2014-03-24 23:25 <dahlia> oh well its bonkers from sim start
2014-03-24 23:25 <nebadon_laptop> no i mean over weeks and months
2014-03-24 23:25 <nebadon_laptop> as you add scripts to your region
2014-03-24 23:25 <nebadon_laptop> one day things just stop working as they should with no clear indicator as why
2014-03-24 23:26 <dahlia> oh I thought that was with it false?
2014-03-24 23:26 <nebadon_laptop> ive waste many-o-days chasing that crap
2014-03-24 23:26 <nebadon_laptop> no its when its set to true
2014-03-24 23:26 <nebadon_laptop> you want false in linux
2014-03-24 23:26 <nebadon_laptop> way more stable from my experience
2014-03-24 23:26 <dahlia> well trying false...
2014-03-24 23:27 <dahlia> maybe I misread what Melanie_T was saying the other day
2014-03-24 23:27 <nebadon_laptop> its worth a shot, no idea if it will change anything
2014-03-24 23:27 <nebadon_laptop> no Melanie thinks its better in true
2014-03-24 23:27 <nebadon_laptop> i absolutely disagree with her on that point
2014-03-24 23:27 <Plugh> Is there any particular order to the list of using statements?
2014-03-24 23:28 <nebadon_laptop> brought me nothing but pain
2014-03-24 23:28 <nebadon_laptop> Wright Plaza wont even start if its set to true
2014-03-24 23:28 <nebadon_laptop> it gets about 25% of scripts loaded and stack traces
2014-03-24 23:28 <Melanie_T> in _any_ OS, you want false in a sim that is in normal operation
2014-03-24 23:28 <dahlia> Plugh: I usually alphabetize, with system stuff at the top, then opensim stuff, then module specific ones that are not part of either
2014-03-24 23:28 <nebadon_laptop> but it starts doing wierd things long before you get to that point
2014-03-24 23:29 <Melanie_T> you want true if you're actually scripting in that sim
2014-03-24 23:29 <dahlia> but thats just me :)
2014-03-24 23:29 <dahlia> I seldom script
2014-03-24 23:29 <Melanie_T> and possibly saving a new edit of the script every 30 secinds
2014-03-24 23:29 <nebadon_laptop> you mean a place where your recompiling your script every 10 seconds?
2014-03-24 23:29 <nebadon_laptop> ya that makes sense melanie
2014-03-24 23:29 <nebadon_laptop> i dont disagree with that point at all
2014-03-24 23:29 <Melanie_T> because then it'll get to the breaking point in half an hour on false
2014-03-24 23:29 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-03-24 23:29 <dahlia> Melanie_T: any thoughts on my AO dilemma?
2014-03-24 23:30 <Melanie_T> without trust binaries on, scripts an have issues on teleport
2014-03-24 23:30 <Melanie_T> in fact, with it on they also can but it's not as frequent
2014-03-24 23:30 <dahlia> oh I tend to avoid trust binaries on osgrid
2014-03-24 23:30 <Melanie_T> people who clear their local asset caches and/or script state directories will see huge issues on that
2014-03-24 23:31 <Melanie_T> best results are achieved with trust binaries on but i would not do that on osg either
2014-03-24 23:31 <nebadon_laptop> ya everyone should avoid trust binaries on OSgrid
2014-03-24 23:31 <nebadon_laptop> please
2014-03-24 23:31 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-03-24 23:31 <Melanie_T> the next best thing is to set up flotsam asset cache and set it to NOT purge, and never purge it manually
2014-03-24 23:31 <Plugh> lkalif: The code wants a list and not a string array so I don't think that Regex approach will work.
2014-03-24 23:32 <nebadon_laptop> I think thats how we have the OSgrid default settings melanie
2014-03-24 23:32 <Melanie_T> unless youhave a filesystem with atime and purge by atime, give it about half a year or so
2014-03-24 23:32 <Melanie_T> nevereverever purge the script state directory, it is maintained by the engine
2014-03-24 23:32 <dahlia> I dont purge often
2014-03-24 23:32 <dahlia> never?
2014-03-24 23:32 <Melanie_T> when you tp in, several things can happen
2014-03-24 23:32 <nebadon_laptop> ya it is
2014-03-24 23:32 <lkalif> Plugh: List<T> list = new List<T>(T[]);
2014-03-24 23:32 <Melanie_T> first, your binaries could be loaded, if you trust them
2014-03-24 23:32 <lkalif> Plugh: always
2014-03-24 23:33 <Melanie_T> failing that, a script binary file matching the script's asset id is looked for, it would be a binary of the same script source, compiled on your system earlier
2014-03-24 23:33 <Melanie_T> if found, that is used
2014-03-24 23:33 <Melanie_T> if not, the asset for the script is loaded for compilation
2014-03-24 23:33 <Melanie_T> if it's in cache, fine
2014-03-24 23:33 <Melanie_T> if not, asset server round trip
2014-03-24 23:33 <Melanie_T> then that is compiled and loaded
2014-03-24 23:34 <Melanie_T> if the script has to be compiled, you will likely have a dead script
2014-03-24 23:34 <Melanie_T> because it just takes too long to do all that
2014-03-24 23:34 <Plugh> lkalif: The other question is whether a using is need to access the Regex library which would trade the Regex using for the Linq one.
2014-03-24 23:34 <Melanie_T> that is why i say, never purge script binaries/state
2014-03-24 23:34 <Melanie_T> the files are not large
2014-03-24 23:34 <Melanie_T> and they save so much time
2014-03-24 23:35 <dahlia> but if the AO works after a purge, the caches probably have new copies?
2014-03-24 23:35 <lkalif> Plugh: if it's a one off you can say List<string> res = new List<string>(
2014-03-24 23:35 <Melanie_T> dahlia: even if it doesn't work, they will have new copies
2014-03-24 23:35 <Melanie_T> but it's the missing cache items that cause it to break
2014-03-24 23:35 <lkalif> System.Text.RegularExpressions.RegexSplit(...)
2014-03-24 23:35 <lkalif> erm, System.Text.RegularExpressions.Regex.Split(...)
2014-03-24 23:36 <Melanie_T> so if you avoid breakage on tping in, don't purge these caches
2014-03-24 23:36 <Plugh> lkalif: The line is long enough. That just makes it even longer.
2014-03-24 23:36 <Melanie_T> you gain nothing from it, they never will grow large enough to be a significant portion of a modren hard disk
2014-03-24 23:36 <lkalif> Plugh: well I cannot argue with "line is long" argument :P
2014-03-24 23:36 <dahlia> ok but if I purged them weeks ago, and it's worked since, then the caches are probably not influencing the failure?
2014-03-24 23:37 <Melanie_T> once you purged them, they got reloaded/recreated
2014-03-24 23:37 <dahlia> kk
2014-03-24 23:37 <Melanie_T> the kast failure you have seen was probably when that happened
2014-03-24 23:37 <Melanie_T> don't purge again and it should remain in working order
2014-03-24 23:37 <dahlia> the failure is very often
2014-03-24 23:37 <Melanie_T> last*
2014-03-24 23:37 <dahlia> and very repeatable
2014-03-24 23:37 <dahlia> but I havent purged in a long time
2014-03-24 23:38 <Melanie_T> then you need to watch the log
2014-03-24 23:38 <Melanie_T> it will say things about sates found, loading
2014-03-24 23:38 <Melanie_T> and about starting scripts in attachments
2014-03-24 23:38 <Melanie_T> look for even debug level messages
2014-03-24 23:38 <justincc> Plugh: the using statements just setting up references, not pulling in a whole new library which the CoreModules dll is almost certainly referncing anyway
2014-03-24 23:38 <dahlia> kk
2014-03-24 23:38 <dahlia> ty
2014-03-24 23:38 <Melanie_T> not all fails on this track are red ink
2014-03-24 23:38 <Melanie_T> because fails can happen there due to syntax errors even
2014-03-24 23:38 <Melanie_T> and no one wants routine events to be red ink
2014-03-24 23:39 <justincc> dahlia: in OpenSim.exe.config, scriptengine logging is info by default because of the large number of messages.  You would need to change that to see debug stufff
2014-03-24 23:39 <justincc> which is mainly just reports of scripts being loaded anyway, afair
2014-03-24 23:39 <Melanie_T> indeed, i forgot...
2014-03-24 23:39 <Melanie_T> thanks justincc 
2014-03-24 23:39 <justincc> but I guess that's what you might want
2014-03-24 23:39 <Melanie_T> that is what dahlia wants
2014-03-24 23:39 <Melanie_T> to see if the ao script is not loaded, not started, failed to start, etc
2014-03-24 23:41 <dahlia> <!-- Independently control logging level for XEngine -->
2014-03-24 23:41 <dahlia>     <logger name="OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.XEngine">
2014-03-24 23:41 <dahlia>       <level value="INFO"/>
2014-03-24 23:41 <dahlia> that?
2014-03-24 23:41 <justincc> yes
2014-03-24 23:41 <dahlia> is it correct for what I want?
2014-03-24 23:41 <dahlia> or change to DEBUG?
2014-03-24 23:41 <justincc> s/INFO/DEBUG
2014-03-24 23:41 <dahlia> kk
2014-03-24 23:44 <dahlia> arrgh console spam
2014-03-24 23:44 <justincc> yes
2014-03-25 00:01 <dahlia> hmmm now it wont fail
2014-03-25 00:01 <justincc> lol
2014-03-25 00:01 <justincc> timing errors, I love them
2014-03-25 00:02 <dahlia> interesting how I got the script loading message just as I hit ctrl-shift-H but before I teleported
2014-03-25 00:04 <dahlia> oh ok failed that time
2014-03-25 00:05 <dahlia> I get this:
2014-03-25 00:05 <dahlia> 2014-03-25 00:04:24,558 DEBUG - OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.ScenePresence [S
2014-03-25 00:05 <dahlia> CENE PRESENCE]: Restarting scripts in attachments for Dahlia Trimble in humpf
2014-03-25 00:06 <dahlia> but nothing else
2014-03-25 00:06 <dahlia> no message about starting the AO at all
2014-03-25 00:06 <dahlia> so maybe it doesnt think its there?
2014-03-25 00:07 <Melanie_T> maybe it's not rezzed or not yet attached to the avatar at the time that is called?
2014-03-25 00:07 <Melanie_T> maybe there is a fine race
2014-03-25 00:07 <Melanie_T> xengine is not responsible itself
2014-03-25 00:07 <Melanie_T> i know because other engines produce the samme fail
2014-03-25 00:07 <Melanie_T> so my bet is a race in the arrival code
2014-03-25 00:08 <dahlia> wasnt blaming xengine, just trying to find out why I get the failure
2014-03-25 00:09 <Melanie_T> it's not a blame game
2014-03-25 00:09 <Melanie_T> just giving a datapoint
2014-03-25 00:09 <nebadon_laptop> I blame canada
2014-03-25 00:09 <Melanie_T> everyone blames canada
2014-03-25 00:09 <dahlia> well I do like to blame justincc :)
2014-03-25 00:09 <Melanie_T> but they just say they're sorry
2014-03-25 00:09 <justincc> dahlia: wish I had the time to poke around it myself
2014-03-25 00:09 <justincc> unfortunately dealing with my e-mail pile atm
2014-03-25 00:09 <Plugh> blame Canada for what? 
2014-03-25 00:10 <nebadon_laptop> the whole thing Plugh
2014-03-25 00:10 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-03-25 00:10 <dahlia> 
ACTION blames justincc for Canada

2014-03-25 00:10 <Plugh> I wasn't following the current discussion
2014-03-25 00:10 <nebadon_laptop> i was just kidding lol
2014-03-25 00:10 <justincc> there was a thought experiment the other day about scenarios for the US annexing Canada
2014-03-25 00:10 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION apologizes earnestly... (after politely giving the floor to Plugh)

2014-03-25 00:10 <nebadon_laptop> western canada maybe
2014-03-25 00:11 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-03-25 00:12 <dahlia> we should just annex baanf, leave the rest
2014-03-25 00:12 <Plugh> justincc: There has been talking about that sort of thing in the past.
2014-03-25 00:12 <nebadon_laptop> so dahlia did you see any difference changing the AppDomainLoading setting?
2014-03-25 00:12 <dahlia> nope
2014-03-25 00:12 <nebadon_laptop> i stepped away for dinner for a bit
2014-03-25 00:12 <Plugh> On the other hand, some people in Quebec are talking separation yet again.
2014-03-25 00:12 <nebadon_laptop> k
2014-03-25 00:13 <nebadon_laptop> everyone I know in Alberta tells me they wish Alberta was part of the USA
2014-03-25 00:13 <nebadon_laptop> most of them live near the border though right above montana
2014-03-25 00:14 <dahlia> everyone I know in Alberta wants to move to the US but I only hear they say it during winter
2014-03-25 00:14 <justincc> Plugh: so, I have this code change to elminate whitespace ready to go.  Do you mind if I put that in or did you want to keep looking at this issue?
2014-03-25 00:15 <Plugh> No, its ok. You might as well go ahead. Just note that you need to apply the change to the DefaultPermissionsModule and the PrimLimitsModule.
2014-03-25 00:15 <Plugh> Both have the same problem.
2014-03-25 00:16 <dahlia> so maybe my AO thing could have started happening when the most recent teleport stuff was happening but I didnt notice it until later because I would usually just log out after teleporting home
2014-03-25 00:16 <Melanie_T> justincc: what's the problem? tabs, or training whitespace, or?
2014-03-25 00:16 <Melanie_T> trailing*
2014-03-25 00:16 <justincc> it's possible.  Teleport changes may have affected whitespace
2014-03-25 00:16 <justincc> Melanie_T: any whitespace
2014-03-25 00:17 <justincc> dahlia: er, timing
2014-03-25 00:17 <Melanie_T> well, somewhitespace is good :)
2014-03-25 00:17 <dahlia> whitespace in code?
2014-03-25 00:17 <justincc> no, in specifying permission module combinations
2014-03-25 00:17 <Plugh> Melanie_T: If you reference both modules on the same line and separate them with more than just a comma the second module won't be recognized as being listed in the permissionsmodule setting.
2014-03-25 00:18 <justincc> nobody would expect whitespace there to make a difference, it would be very counter-intuitive
2014-03-25 00:18 <Melanie_T> hrm. they're not tolerant of whitespace?
2014-03-25 00:18 <justincc> no
2014-03-25 00:18 <Melanie_T> i c
2014-03-25 00:18 <Melanie_T> i'm afraid i'm at fault
2014-03-25 00:18 <Melanie_T> i wrote that code
2014-03-25 00:18 <dahlia> 
ACTION blames Melanie_T

2014-03-25 00:18 <justincc> bad Melanie_T! :)
2014-03-25 00:19 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION apologizes again, just in case

2014-03-25 00:20 <Plugh> :)
2014-03-25 00:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #3411 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-25 00:21 <Plugh> The code just did a Split(',') so using ', ' between the two module names leaves an extra bit of whitespace on the second name.
2014-03-25 00:21 <Plugh> justincc: are you going to push that to 076 or should I just cherry pick it?
2014-03-25 00:22 <justincc> Plugh: pls cherrypick it
2014-03-25 00:22 <Plugh> ok, np
2014-03-25 00:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3411: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3411/
2014-03-25 00:24 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Don't fail to enable permissions modules correctly if there is any leading or trailing whitespace between comma separate module combinations.
2014-03-25 00:27 <Plugh> wow. orenh pushed 29 changes.
2014-03-25 00:29 <Melanie_T> yes
2014-03-25 00:29 <Melanie_T> i was wondering if that was an incredible burst of zeal or preexisting changes
2014-03-25 00:29 <Melanie_T> and yes, as i expected, these are fixes/improvements kitely runs
2014-03-25 00:29 <justincc> largely pre-existing patches
2014-03-25 00:29 <Melanie_T> so now both kitely and avination are making significant contributions
2014-03-25 00:30 <Melanie_T> the future looks bright - i gotta wear shades....
2014-03-25 00:30 <Melanie_T> ;)
2014-03-25 00:31 <Plugh> I'm tempted to cherry pick some of orenh's patches but I may not since I haven't run in to some of those issues.
2014-03-25 00:31 <justincc> it's best only to cherry-pick to a stable branch fixes that you are sure are stable
2014-03-25 00:31 <justincc> or reasonably sure
2014-03-25 00:31 <Melanie_T> according to oren, these patches are running on kitely for a long time
2014-03-25 00:32 <Plugh> That one string change of debug -> Debug would be safe. :)
2014-03-25 00:32 <Melanie_T> so i'd think the patches/changes themselves are sound
2014-03-25 00:32 <justincc> What works on one setup sometimes does not work on others
2014-03-25 00:32 <Melanie_T> true
2014-03-25 00:32 <dahlia> ya it never even tries to load it according to the log but I'm wearing it
2014-03-25 00:33 <justincc> what if you rewear?
2014-03-25 00:33 <Melanie_T> then it loads
2014-03-25 00:33 <dahlia> and if I TP to wright plaza after a fail, it works when I get there
2014-03-25 00:33 <Melanie_T> my money is on a race
2014-03-25 00:33 <dahlia> oh a re-wear fixes
2014-03-25 00:33 <justincc> yeah, does sound like a timing issue
2014-03-25 00:33 <Melanie_T> and we also see it at avn
2014-03-25 00:34 <Melanie_T> we have a much different engine
2014-03-25 00:34 <Melanie_T> so the timing is core timing, not xengine
2014-03-25 00:34 <Melanie_T> that narrows it down quite a bit
2014-03-25 00:44 <Arielle_> does anyone know if the fitted mesh stuff should work in Opensim?
2014-03-25 00:44 <Arielle_> or are there serer side chanes needed?
2014-03-25 00:44 <Arielle_> server^
2014-03-25 00:45 <lkalif> should work without changes to sim
2014-03-25 00:53 <Arielle_> ty lkalif
2014-03-25 00:55 <Plugh> Arielle_: Are there certain viewers that support fitted mesh?
2014-03-25 00:55 <Arielle_> Sing, FS, and Kokuah i believe
2014-03-25 01:06 <Plugh> Arielle_: ok. Is there some setting you have to enable in those viewers or that feature is enabled by default?
2014-03-25 01:07 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-25 01:10 <Arielle_> i dunno Plugh, thats why I was asking myself. I assume not as lkalif didn;t say it needed to be
2014-03-25 01:10 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-03-25 01:11 <Melanie_T> i believe it uses existing parameters in the mesh itself
2014-03-25 01:11 <Plugh> I read about the new feature but not about what needs to be done (if anything) in configuration of grid or viewer.
2014-03-25 01:11 <Melanie_T> so if the asset is uploaded as fitted, it will be downloaded as ftted
2014-03-25 01:11 <Melanie_T> the crucial part is being able to show it as fitted
2014-03-25 01:11 <Arielle_> there would be extra sliders available?
2014-03-25 01:12 <Melanie_T> no, i doubt it
2014-03-25 01:12 <Melanie_T> i think it needs to be done at the mesh design stage
2014-03-25 01:13 <Arielle_> so if using avastar's current version that should be there then
2014-03-25 01:13 <Melanie_T> no idea
2014-03-25 01:16 <Plugh> orenh said most of his changes have been running in Kitely for some time. I see 6 small commits that appear useful and safe enough to cherry pick.
2014-03-25 01:23 <smxy> Parnoid any? Sheesh. :)
2014-03-25 01:35 <Plugh> smxy: ?
2014-03-25 01:36 <Melanie_T> smxy: ?
2014-03-25 01:36 <smxy> hmm?
2014-03-25 01:37 <smxy> Out of all his commits, only 6 seem safe? :)
2014-03-25 01:40 <Plugh> smxy: They were the commits that were small enough that I feel safe pulling them. 
2014-03-25 01:41 <Plugh> Some fixes that I'd like to have. A couple of the changes might be useful to have but the changes are more extensive so I'll hold off on picking them for now.
2014-03-25 01:41 <Melanie_T> Plugh: which ones would those be?
2014-03-25 01:41 <Plugh> which ones I'm thinking of picking?
2014-03-25 01:42 <Melanie_T> which ones you think too large
2014-03-25 01:43 <Plugh> 24504 for one. Sounds useful to have.
2014-03-25 01:43 <Melanie_T> 24504? 
2014-03-25 01:44 <Melanie_T> would you maybe have a hash or viewgit link?
2014-03-25 01:44 <Melanie_T> i got out of the habit of using these tags
2014-03-25 01:45 <Plugh> I can try getting the hash. Its a lot easier to use the numbers. :)
2014-03-25 01:45 <Melanie_T> not for me :)
2014-03-25 01:45 <Plugh> 35078e03e5a0c
2014-03-25 01:45 <Melanie_T> grml. viewgit doesn't like short hashes ...
2014-03-25 01:46 <Plugh> I use gitk to see and review code changes and it shows the numbers on the left side.
2014-03-25 01:46 <Plugh> on left side beside change log entry. Hash is below list of commits.
2014-03-25 01:48 <Plugh> 35078e03e5a0c0fe6f691eddb3a4cc843d7b3243
2014-03-25 01:48 <Melanie_T> that is 90% refactor
2014-03-25 01:48 <Melanie_T> it's got only 12 genuienly new lines
2014-03-25 01:48 <Plugh> I thought git often only needed the first 8 characters to be able to identify commits.
2014-03-25 01:48 <Melanie_T> so that's safe
2014-03-25 01:48 <Melanie_T> got another one?
2014-03-25 01:49 <Plugh> let me check the list again.
2014-03-25 01:50 <Plugh> 24481 might be useful but I don't understand the issue it fixes so didn't feel safe picking it.
2014-03-25 01:51 <Melanie_T> those numbers are null information for me
2014-03-25 01:51 <Melanie_T> i don't work graphically most of the time
2014-03-25 01:51 <Melanie_T> and onthe command line they're a pain to resolve
2014-03-25 01:52 <Plugh> sorry. 62b3bdf0fc7a64dd9b845eb27fa8e1a2a1866c2b
2014-03-25 01:52 <Melanie_T> that one is sound i principle
2014-03-25 01:53 <Melanie_T> it fixes an issue avination fixed in a different way, but this approach is still good
2014-03-25 01:53 <Melanie_T> it will cause regression tests to break
2014-03-25 01:53 <Melanie_T> if you pick this, you also need to pick the later text fix
2014-03-25 01:53 <Melanie_T> test fix*
2014-03-25 01:54 <Plugh> I'm not sure which other patch that would be. I'm looking at single commits to pick.
2014-03-25 01:54 <Melanie_T> well, functionally this commitstand on it's own
2014-03-25 01:54 <Melanie_T> but oren later fixed a regression test that broke with this fix
2014-03-25 01:55 <Plugh> ok, i'll keep an eye out for that.
2014-03-25 01:55 <Melanie_T> i never will understand why regression tests were created that will break when bugs are fixed it's like cementing the bugs in place
2014-03-25 01:55 <Melanie_T> oh well
2014-03-25 01:55 <Melanie_T> </rant>
2014-03-25 01:55 <Plugh> :)
2014-03-25 01:55 <Melanie_T> the test fix is already in
2014-03-25 01:56 <Plugh> edc04d4184bb9ec224b27cc7b463bec6e4e65dde
2014-03-25 01:57 <Melanie_T> that one is good
2014-03-25 01:57 <Melanie_T> totally safe
2014-03-25 01:57 <Melanie_T> it's needed only for grids that support HG
2014-03-25 01:58 <Melanie_T> as creator ids in non-hg grids are always uuids anyway
2014-03-25 01:58 <Melanie_T> but it does no harm either way
2014-03-25 02:00 <Plugh> oh, if its just for HG I don't need it.
2014-03-25 02:00 <Melanie_T> it fixes an issue that may crop up in non-hg as well
2014-03-25 02:00 <Melanie_T> take it
2014-03-25 02:01 <Plugh> ok
2014-03-25 02:02 <Plugh> 6edc4467807e227d7d62e3b6ab3ae7101ea2015c is another trivial change but I don't know the issue behind the change. Not sure what raises that signal(?)
2014-03-25 02:04 <Melanie_T> nothing does
2014-03-25 02:04 <Melanie_T> that was the bug
2014-03-25 02:05 <Melanie_T> there is a mechanism that allows a region to tell others in the estate that estatewide settings have changed
2014-03-25 02:05 <Melanie_T> it was never triggered
2014-03-25 02:05 <Plugh> ok, that is what that is for.
2014-03-25 02:05 <Melanie_T> that mechanism was from avination originally
2014-03-25 02:05 <Melanie_T> but has seen a lot of changes
2014-03-25 02:05 <Melanie_T> and at some point that method was orphaned
2014-03-25 02:05 <Melanie_T> this patch reinstates it
2014-03-25 02:06 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-03-25 02:06 <Melanie_T> however, i see what's wrong
2014-03-25 02:06 <Melanie_T> don't take that
2014-03-25 02:06 <Plugh> 5fd94111434c2faa742d4eb7357d7a6b02253988 although it isn't that critical as I rarely load IAR files
2014-03-25 02:07 <Plugh> ok,
2014-03-25 02:07 <Melanie_T> there is actually another line missing...
2014-03-25 02:07 <Plugh> 
ACTION crosses it off.

2014-03-25 02:07 <Melanie_T> i will have to revise that
2014-03-25 02:07 <Melanie_T> i an't say anything about iar. we don't use them
2014-03-25 02:08 <Plugh> np
2014-03-25 02:08 <Plugh> I'll skip that one.
2014-03-25 02:10 <Plugh> 1769e93c42384125eb75fcc21dee43bb52a6090a I can probably skip for now as I don't plan to switch to core profiles any time soon.
2014-03-25 02:11 <Plugh> That leaves just 6a477e044dfee014ff99b1ac56a39bd5e629283a which is one of those region crossing issues.
2014-03-25 02:12 <Melanie_T> 1769e93c42384125eb75fcc21dee43bb52a6090a i can't see at a glance
2014-03-25 02:12 <Melanie_T> it would appear on hetereogenous grids and/or grids with older content
2014-03-25 02:12 <Plugh> that looks safe. Mostly it checks the results of a PostToService call
2014-03-25 02:13 <Melanie_T> 6a477e044dfee014ff99b1ac56a39bd5e629283a is a bug i have never seen on avination
2014-03-25 02:13 <Melanie_T> it may be introduced in a later core revision
2014-03-25 02:13 <Melanie_T> because prim crossing as we still have it doesn't check access for the owner
2014-03-25 02:13 <Melanie_T> however, it makes no sense to make the call and not check the result
2014-03-25 02:14 <Melanie_T> the bug is that you push across a prim (using edit tools)
2014-03-25 02:14 <Melanie_T> into a sim.parcel you have no access to
2014-03-25 02:14 <Melanie_T> the prim should return to where it came from
2014-03-25 02:14 <Plugh> ah, ok.
2014-03-25 02:14 <Melanie_T> the bug addressed here is where the prim is removed (not deleted, as in put into trash)
2014-03-25 02:14 <Melanie_T> and therefore lost, in that scenario
2014-03-25 02:14 <Melanie_T> so i would recommend you test that scenario
2014-03-25 02:14 <Melanie_T> and take this if you're affected
2014-03-25 02:15 <Plugh> ok, ty
2014-03-25 02:22 <Plugh> 
ACTION got reminded that some people want to send email from lsl scripts.

2014-03-25 02:22 <Plugh> I'll have to add a note to my ToDo list to configure the SMTP settings.
2014-03-25 02:23 <Melanie_T> i would not think that is a good idea
2014-03-25 02:23 <Plugh> That's why I haven't done it yet. 
2014-03-25 02:23 <Plugh> People are wanting their scripts to email them information. Mostly some people with their vendors.
2014-03-25 02:23 <Plugh> One person wants to be emailed stats about their regions.
2014-03-25 02:24 <Melanie_T> in avination, we restricted prims to sending email only to the address in the user's account info
2014-03-25 02:24 <Plugh> I can see how it could get abused if you can use llEmail().
2014-03-25 02:24 <Melanie_T> we didn't want all our servers to become listed with spamhaus
2014-03-25 02:24 <Plugh> yea, exactly.
2014-03-25 02:24 <Melanie_T> besides, we don't want to finance spam bandwidth
2014-03-25 02:24 <Melanie_T> spam is so wrong
2014-03-25 02:25 <Plugh> Interesting. Did you need to do code changes to do that limitation?
2014-03-25 02:25 <Melanie_T> we don't use core email
2014-03-25 02:25 <Plugh> ah, ok.
2014-03-25 02:25 <Melanie_T> we have an entirely different system tied in with our mailhb
2014-03-25 02:25 <Melanie_T> since our prims can also receive email and our offline IM-to-email are replyable
2014-03-25 02:25 <Plugh> I'll leave that feature off until I can work out some safer way to do the emailing such as what you have mentioned.
2014-03-25 02:33 <Dev_Random> Plugh:  howbout a simple webmail concept?  POST from sim to http://inhouse.server.tld/sendMeThisEmail.  no "to", no "cc" to worry about.
2014-03-25 02:34 <Plugh> Dev_Random: Possible. Its not high on my priority list right now.
2014-03-25 02:42 <Melanie_T> Dev_Random: i hope you will apologize for that ;)
2014-03-25 02:42 <Dev_Random> just working on the wording
2014-03-25 02:42 <Melanie_T> lol
2014-03-25 02:45 <lkalif> hey, a radical idea. how about release 0.8 instead of cherry picking stuff for 76 branch ;)
2014-03-25 02:55 <Melanie_T> lkalif: i don't know what justin plans but if i had my 'druthers it'd rather wait until oren's initial commit rush has leveled off
2014-03-25 02:55 <Melanie_T> then consolidate and releae
2014-03-25 02:56 <lkalif> sounds like a plan
2014-03-25 02:56 <Plugh> lkalif: That would be nice. There is already a lot of other stuff in git master that would be nice to have.
2014-03-25 02:56 <Plugh> oren has even more commits coming soon?
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2014-03-25 02:56 <Melanie_T> like myself, oren has a lot of stuff already done that is slated for contribution
2014-03-25 02:57 <Melanie_T> and to get what he has ready right now into a release seems a good thought
2014-03-25 02:57 <Arielle_> Plugh he mentioned more patches for tommorrow
2014-03-25 02:57 <lkalif> My comment was related to talk about cherry picks. I think energy is better forwarded towards getting stuff into master and stabilizing that and making a release
2014-03-25 02:58 <lkalif> than maintaining dead branches
2014-03-25 02:58 <Plugh> ok. I should do the picks from todays changes so I'll be ready for what may come tomorrow. :)
2014-03-25 02:58 <Melanie_T> stuff is moving
2014-03-25 02:58 <Melanie_T> and will get ito master
2014-03-25 02:59 <Plugh> lkalif: I'm not in a position to work on the code changes/fixes needed to get master closer to a release so I have to look at what may help fix issues in the last release.
2014-03-25 02:59 <Melanie_T> i've enlisted help to augment my scarce personal time and get done what i had planned to get done before i fell ill
2014-03-25 02:59 <Melanie_T> i believe justincc-master is merged
2014-03-25 02:59 <Melanie_T> and so is varregion
2014-03-25 02:59 <lkalif> yeah having varregion alone in a relase will be huge
2014-03-25 02:59 <Melanie_T> misterblue is onboard with adapting bullet to the new interfaces as well
2014-03-25 03:00 <Melanie_T> and i'm tossing about thoughts of http terrain
2014-03-25 03:00 <Melanie_T> for the initial terrain load
2014-03-25 03:00 <Melanie_T> udp is too slow for varregion terrain
2014-03-25 03:00 <lkalif> lol
2014-03-25 03:01 <lkalif> udp is too slow is a very silly statement
2014-03-25 03:01 <lkalif> also completely wrong
2014-03-25 03:01 <Melanie_T> yes but i don't like to type it all out for an audience that already knows what i mean
2014-03-25 03:01 <Melanie_T> but here goes
2014-03-25 03:01 <Melanie_T> the present udp protocol of packing "patches" into udp packets is too slow for varregions
2014-03-25 03:02 <Melanie_T> as a http transfer of the entire terrain can benefit from compression encompassing the whole enchilada
2014-03-25 03:02 <Melanie_T> so satisfied?
2014-03-25 03:02 <lkalif> what you need is smarter sending of terrain, not invent a whole new protocol for it
2014-03-25 03:02 <lkalif> send from avatar position outward
2014-03-25 03:02 <Melanie_T> i believe snding terrain changes via UDP is good and i wouldn't even change it. i especially like the new timed sending code
2014-03-25 03:03 <Melanie_T> but i believe patchwise compression is not well suited to the data size varregion terrain can have
2014-03-25 03:03 <Melanie_T> i'd have to do tests i don't have the time for but my hunch whispers "factor 2"
2014-03-25 03:03 <lkalif> again, patches were never meant to be sent all at once
2014-03-25 03:03 <lkalif> you need to send from avatar position in cicrles outwardfs to about draw distance x 2
2014-03-25 03:03 <Melanie_T> on a regular region, compressed patch transfer is fast enough that, when the login screen goes away, all terrain is loaded
2014-03-25 03:04 <Melanie_T> in sl and avination, you ever see terrain load. it's all done and dusted before the progress bar goes away
2014-03-25 03:04 <Melanie_T> for varregions, that doesn't work anymore
2014-03-25 03:04 <lkalif> Melanie_T is in write only mode
2014-03-25 03:04 <Melanie_T> they have much larger datasizes but thereby also profit more from compressing the whole instead of patches
2014-03-25 03:05 <Melanie_T> i'm not. i read your interjection. but i believe it is wrong to let the user see terrain being loaded
2014-03-25 03:05 <Melanie_T> that should happenbefore the login veil lifts
2014-03-25 03:05 <lkalif> if you read what I have written you'd realize that is false
2014-03-25 03:05 <nebadon_laptop> is that going to be possible with big vars?
2014-03-25 03:06 <lkalif> anyway http terrain download ain't gonna happen viewer side
2014-03-25 03:06 <Melanie_T> nebadon_laptop: i think so. with terrain gzip compressed and sent as a single http response, that should work
2014-03-25 03:06 <lkalif> as there is perfectly good solution with the existing protocol
2014-03-25 03:06 <lkalif> and it is in fact needed
2014-03-25 03:06 <Melanie_T> there is no good solution that will allow terrain for the entire sim to be fully loaded before the login screen goes away
2014-03-25 03:06 <Melanie_T> putting the user experience 3 yers back
2014-03-25 03:06 <Melanie_T> when the user, on login would see terrain load
2014-03-25 03:07 <lkalif> you are not listening
2014-03-25 03:07 <Melanie_T> i'm not proposing replacing UDP terrain sending with http
2014-03-25 03:07 <Melanie_T> i'm proposing adding a http CAP for loading the _initital_ terrain all at once
2014-03-25 03:08 <lkalif> but for the sane people in the audience: what opensim does now is bad. it sends the full terrain to the viwer. this is bad for 2 reasons. 1) takes time to transfer all those packets, 2) overloads viewer memory which does not expect that amount of terrain
2014-03-25 03:09 <lkalif> the solution to this is to send terrain patches in a smarter way, in fact in the same way SL does it: it sends terrain from camera position, outwards to about 2x draw distance
2014-03-25 03:09 <Melanie_T> on what? 5 year old computers?
2014-03-25 03:09 <lkalif> Melanie_T: I have actually studdied what happens here.
2014-03-25 03:09 <MisterblueAFK> I have code that sends terrain patches from where the avatar is standing out to its draw distance
2014-03-25 03:10 <MisterblueAFK> it keeps terrain patch taints for each avatar
2014-03-25 03:10 <lkalif> draw distance is too small. it should be camera + dd x 2
2014-03-25 03:10 <Melanie_T> what i see happen when i'm camming in SL is that SL will always send the entire region if any part of the region falls into the draw distance
2014-03-25 03:10 <lkalif> (viewer actually draws more land, that the farthest objects)
2014-03-25 03:10 <misterblue> child agents don't work yet so adjacent regions don't get terrained properly
2014-03-25 03:11 <misterblue> that and adding the multiple patch per packet really speeds up large region
2014-03-25 03:11 <misterblue> but it would also be really nice to send initial terrain in one HTTP send
2014-03-25 03:11 <lkalif> there is no reason for that
2014-03-25 03:11 <Melanie_T> what lkalif says depends on the server having interest lists and recognizing camera position
2014-03-25 03:12 <Melanie_T> opensim doesn't do that yet
2014-03-25 03:12 <Melanie_T> and i don't know anyone who could/would write that code and has the time for it
2014-03-25 03:12 <lkalif> Melanie_T: you get it 10 times a second in agent update
2014-03-25 03:12 <misterblue> when doing DSG, we found we could initialize a whole region with a streamed OAR file faster than sending t he indivudual prims
2014-03-25 03:12 <Melanie_T> lkalif: yes we have it we just don't use it
2014-03-25 03:12 <Melanie_T> opensim sends all prims in all connected regions
2014-03-25 03:13 <Melanie_T> and all terrain always
2014-03-25 03:13 <lkalif> so you propose to make incompatible viewer changes because you cannot be arsed to use the data you have?
2014-03-25 03:13 <Melanie_T> opensim sends no kill messages for obscured or out-of-frustum prims
2014-03-25 03:13 <lkalif> SL doesn't do that anymore either
2014-03-25 03:13 <Melanie_T> and no object updates for object moving into frusyum
2014-03-25 03:13 <Melanie_T> sl does all that
2014-03-25 03:13 <Melanie_T> oh?
2014-03-25 03:13 <Melanie_T> when did they stop?
2014-03-25 03:14 <lkalif> in their "project interesting"
2014-03-25 03:14 <Melanie_T> basically, opensim has no notion of frustum
2014-03-25 03:14 <lkalif> that's all irrelevant
2014-03-25 03:14 <lkalif> you have camera postion of each agent, sending terrain from there should be no rocket scienc
2014-03-25 03:14 <Melanie_T> opensim doesn't track what agent has received which patches
2014-03-25 03:15 <misterblue> so SL sends all objects in the region to a newly connected viewer?
2014-03-25 03:15 <lkalif> misterblue: they made it optional, there is a new flag that tells the sim to do that
2014-03-25 03:15 <Melanie_T> opensim loops the region once, pushing all patches
2014-03-25 03:15 <lkalif> in region handshake
2014-03-25 03:15 <Melanie_T> then sends updates to anyone connected
2014-03-25 03:16 <misterblue> I have code to send only some terrain
2014-03-25 03:16 <Melanie_T> i believe it is an important part of user experience that a user never sees patchwise terrain loading unless he cams far and wide very fast
2014-03-25 03:16 <lkalif> misterblue: that will work great. viewer is coded to work in that way
2014-03-25 03:16 <misterblue> there is a routine in the update priority queuing stuff that does the camera computation for updates
2014-03-25 03:16 <lkalif> that's why patches exist in the first place
2014-03-25 03:16 <misterblue> don't know if that is usually turned on
2014-03-25 03:16 <Melanie_T> misterblue: sounds goot enough to eat :)
2014-03-25 03:16 <Melanie_T> good*
2014-03-25 03:16 <misterblue> but was thinking of borrowing the code for terrain
2014-03-25 03:17 <Melanie_T> misterblue: the issue with the existing opensim terrain sending code (which works in that circular fashion) is that sending umcompressed patches, it is so slow that the sent patches haven't exceeded draw distance by the time the veil goes up
2014-03-25 03:18 <Melanie_T> so you see patches come in around you in that circular pattern. ugh.
2014-03-25 03:18 <lkalif> you probably had a fix for that a year ago that you kept for yourself :P
2014-03-25 03:18 <Melanie_T> nope
2014-03-25 03:18 <Melanie_T> we reverted to linear loading which is faster
2014-03-25 03:18 <Melanie_T> so we sent line by line, typewriter style
2014-03-25 03:19 <Melanie_T> we have compression but so does aurora
2014-03-25 03:19 <Melanie_T> in fact opensim had it, it was merely commented
2014-03-25 03:19 <lkalif> unbelivable
2014-03-25 03:20 <Melanie_T> but true
2014-03-25 03:20 <Melanie_T> opensim had the code all along
2014-03-25 03:20 <Melanie_T> but it would bomb on a very few patch constealltions
2014-03-25 03:20 <Melanie_T> we merely wrapped that into try/catch, sending compressed if it doesn't throw and uncompressed if it does
2014-03-25 03:21 <Melanie_T> aurora, i believe, fixed it the right way later
2014-03-25 03:21 <misterblue> the terrain code is not using the libomv compressor but has one I ported from Aurora... it is capable of multiple compressed terrain patches per packet
2014-03-25 03:21 <lkalif> nice
2014-03-25 03:21 <lkalif> misterblue: is that code pushed into master?
2014-03-25 03:21 <misterblue> yes.... something like OpenSimTerrainCompressor.cs
2014-03-25 03:21 <Melanie_T> i remember that coming in
2014-03-25 03:21 <lkalif> is it in use yet?
2014-03-25 03:22 <misterblue> it is... I changed it to use the new TerrainData class (so terrain had non-assumed size) but it is not yet doing the multiple patches per packet
2014-03-25 03:23 <lkalif> great. thatøs progress
2014-03-25 03:23 <misterblue> that is in my sending only viewable patches changes but that is waiting for figuring out child agents and I, ah, have a a bunch of other code to port over
2014-03-25 03:25 <Melanie_T> well, that would require a "dirty map" per agent, wouldn't it?
2014-03-25 03:26 <Melanie_T> since a non-viewable change to a previously visible patch would need to be sent once the patch comes into view again
2014-03-25 03:26 <misterblue> yes it does... I extended TerrainModule to keep a per-presence patch taint map
2014-03-25 03:26 <misterblue> so SendPatchesToClient() is really just setting bits in the presence taint array
2014-03-25 03:27 <Melanie_T> and sending them where? on the frame?
2014-03-25 03:27 <Melanie_T> paced, i hope?
2014-03-25 03:27 <Melanie_T> all in all, that sounds really good and fits the bill of what lkalif says the viewer wants
2014-03-25 03:28 <misterblue> on the frame tick, yes.... I'm still using the old pace code... it either needs some throttling or better queuing
2014-03-25 03:28 <misterblue> it needs to be like updates... the code queues "an update is needed" and eats dups after that and builds the actual update packet when it is ready to send
2014-03-25 03:29 <misterblue> what happens now is updates for the same terrain patch can be queued multiple times
2014-03-25 03:29 <Melanie_T> yes i know
2014-03-25 03:29 <Melanie_T> one of the things that make working with brushes tedious when there are avatars in the region
2014-03-25 03:29 <misterblue> since the terrain editing code updates a zillion times a second, that fills the terrain queue 
2014-03-25 07:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #3412 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-25 07:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3412: FAILURE in 3 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3412/
2014-03-25 07:06 <osjenkins> * orenh: Added debug flag: LogThreadPool. It makes us log every use of the main threadpool.
2014-03-25 07:06 <osjenkins> * orenh: Automatically start logging FireAndForget activity if the threadpool is full
2014-03-25 07:06 <osjenkins> * orenh: Refactored DebugFlagsEnum
2014-03-25 07:06 <osjenkins> * orenh: LogThreadPool: when the thread is for ProcessPacketMethod, also log the packet type
2014-03-25 07:06 <osjenkins> * orenh: Added a watchdog to abort slow threads in the main thread pool
2014-03-25 07:07 <osjenkins> * orenh: Changed LogThreadPool to have 4 logging levels. Added console command "debug threadpool level" to set the logging level.
2014-03-25 07:07 <osjenkins> * orenh: Run slow operations in a separate thread, instead of using FireAndForget (which has a 1-minute timeout)
2014-03-25 08:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #3413 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #3411 7 hr 44 min ago)
2014-03-25 08:09 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2014-03-25 08:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3413: FIXED in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3413/
2014-03-25 08:09 <osjenkins> orenh: Fixed unit tests due to changes in the threadpool
2014-03-25 08:26 <Thonneve> My god orenh is on a role
2014-03-25 08:27 <orenh> just a couple more things and I'm done...
2014-03-25 08:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #3414 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2014-03-25 08:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3414: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3414/
2014-03-25 08:42 <osjenkins> * orenh: Improved logging of HTTP requests
2014-03-25 08:42 <osjenkins> * orenh: Always throw an exception if MakeRequest (used for HTTP POST) fails. (Previously many exceptions were ignored)
2014-03-25 08:42 <osjenkins> * orenh: In Core Profiles: as a fallback, try to get profiles from foreign grids using the OpenProfile protocol
2014-03-25 08:42 <orenh> OK, now I'm done. Whew!
2014-03-25 08:45 <Thonneve> My god
2014-03-25 08:45 <Thonneve> You must either get really bored, or someone is holding a gun to you telling you to write opensim
2014-03-25 08:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #3415 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-25 08:54 <orenh> These patches have been accumulated over quite a while
2014-03-25 08:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3415: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3415/
2014-03-25 08:57 <osjenkins> orenh: Use log-rolling on the log files (once per day)
2014-03-25 12:51 <osmantis> Bug #7038:04 Unwearing mesh attachments very slow and generates [SynchronousObjectRequester] message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7038 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-25 13:33 <osmantis> Bug #6755:04 Failing teleports and avatar returned to original source region without attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6755 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-25 13:37 <smxy> orenh: Is that log rolling configurable? I roll my own when I want.
2014-03-25 13:37 <orenh> the default is 1/day
2014-03-25 13:37 <smxy> Can I say not to roll them at all?
2014-03-25 13:38 <smxy> I already do this when I want.
2014-03-25 13:38 <orenh> yes, change from RollingFileAppender back to FileAppender
2014-03-25 13:39 <orenh> and you can also remove <rollingStyle> and <datePattern> I guess, although those would just be warnings (since regular FileAppender doesn't have those properties)
2014-03-25 13:40 <smxy> And when you roll them, how many do yu save?
2014-03-25 13:41 <smxy> you*
2014-03-25 13:41 <smxy> all, just with a date appended?
2014-03-25 13:42 <smxy> It's a nice enough feature. I'm just making sure I understand it. :)
2014-03-25 13:43 <Dev_Random> I've been using RollingFileAppender for a while, and I haven't seen any disappear.
2014-03-25 13:44 <smxy> Okay. Many log rollers will keep a week's worth around and punt anything older, which is why I asked. 
2014-03-25 13:45 <smxy> I have over 3 year's worth. :)
2014-03-25 13:46 <smxy> orenh: Thank you for all the stuff you're committing.
2014-03-25 13:47 <orenh> the log files will not be deleted by default
2014-03-25 13:47 <orenh> I also keep all of them :)
2014-03-25 14:20 <nebadon_laptop> Melanie_T : ping
2014-03-25 14:28 <nebadon_laptop> Melanie_T nvm i figured it out
2014-03-25 14:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #3416 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-25 14:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3416: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3416/
2014-03-25 14:42 <osjenkins> orenh: Use the "Content-Encoding" header to indicate gzipped streams
2014-03-25 14:45 <osmantis> Bug #6872:04 calling non existant state does not fail to compile 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6872 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-25 16:56 <Velus> Melanie_T, you about hun?
2014-03-25 17:01 <smxy> I don't think I've ever heard anyone call her "hun" before, LOL
2014-03-25 17:04 <Velus> sorry i just at my mums and yeah my mum got me back into the old habit of hun all the time 
2014-03-25 17:04 <smxy> Unless they were referring to her as a female Atilla, the Hun. :)
2014-03-25 17:05 <Velus> my mum has a habbit of forgetting names so she call people hun all the time lol
2014-03-25 17:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #3417 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-25 17:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3417: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3417/
2014-03-25 17:14 <osjenkins> orenh: Use the "X-Content-Encoding" header to indicate gzipped data, because old OpenSims fail if they get an unknown "Content-Encoding"
2014-03-25 17:37 <smxy> nebadon_laptop: I keep forgetting - what Mono version are you using now? Also, any change to the settings for it, from 3.2.3 (I think this was the only one: MONO_GC_PARAMS=nursery-size=64m)?
2014-03-25 17:37 <smxy> Oh, we set --server too, as I recall.
2014-03-25 17:41 <justincc> hi orenh
2014-03-25 17:45 <Velus> HEY justincc hows you?
2014-03-25 17:45 <nebadon_laptop> smxy > http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44
2014-03-25 17:46 <justincc> Velus: tried but caffeine beginning to work.  How are you?
2014-03-25 17:46 <nebadon_laptop> I am using mono 3.2.5 and 3.2.8 on couple machines
2014-03-25 17:46 <smxy> nebadon_laptop: right. that's 3.2.3
2014-03-25 17:46 <smxy> I'm using that. You were using something newer, as I recall.
2014-03-25 17:47 <smxy> oh, missed your last line.
2014-03-25 17:47 <nebadon_laptop> ya you can substitute 3.2.3 for 3.2.5 or 3.2.8
2014-03-25 17:47 <Velus> tired happy and well yeah im with my mum and dad now so yeah im happy
2014-03-25 17:47 <nebadon_laptop> otherwise the directions are the same
2014-03-25 17:47 <smxy> No change in the runtime settings?
2014-03-25 17:47 <nebadon_laptop> nope
2014-03-25 17:47 <nebadon_laptop> well other than --server
2014-03-25 17:47 <nebadon_laptop> which should be there in those directions
2014-03-25 17:48 <smxy> okay. Thanks. I think I'll update that tonight. ... Yes, you mention --server
2014-03-25 17:48 <smxy> and the nursery-size.
2014-03-25 19:46 <orenh> hi justincc
2014-03-25 20:07 <Plugh> justin left about 40 minutes ago
2014-03-25 20:08 <Plugh> orenh: I see you have been making good use of your new status to push a whole lot of changes.
2014-03-25 20:12 <Plugh> I'm seeing a ton of red text messages on a region console saying Couldn't find uploader for xfer id 5000, packet id 706, data length 1000 around the time of trying to upload a terrain file.
2014-03-25 20:21 <Plugh> 
ACTION found another bug. 

2014-03-25 20:22 <Plugh> Loading a terrain file doesn't include parcelling the land.
2014-03-25 20:23 <orenh> Plugh: I had most of these changes queued up for a while now. Glad to finally get them "off the books".
2014-03-25 20:23 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-03-25 20:24 <Plugh> Got anything about saving/loading terrain and keeping parcel data preserved?
2014-03-25 20:24 <smxy> Plugh: Why would loading terrain have anything to do with how the land is parcelled?
2014-03-25 20:24 <Plugh> smxy: it is one of the 13 layers.
2014-03-25 20:25 <smxy> That's fine. What I'm saying is why should it have any effect on how the region is parcelled?
2014-03-25 20:26 <smxy> One is how it looks, the other, how it's divided up. Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't see why one should have any effect on the other.
2014-03-25 20:26 <smxy> s/Perhaps/I'm probably/
2014-03-25 20:26 <smxy> :)
2014-03-25 20:26 <Plugh> that's what I'm saying. One of the layers has the information that identifies how the land is parcelled.
2014-03-25 20:27 <Plugh> Try using a terrain editing program and you can see that.
2014-03-25 20:27 <Plugh> I don't recall off hand which layer has the parcelling information.
2014-03-25 20:27 <smxy> Oh, I see. We're in agreement, but the code isn't. :)
2014-03-25 20:27 <Plugh> 
ACTION nod

2014-03-25 20:28 <Plugh> I don't know if parcel data isn't being save or not being loaded. I'm about to check.
2014-03-25 20:29 <Plugh> hmm... I saved a terrain file from a region and Bailiwick doesn't show any parcel data.
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2014-03-25 20:57 <Plugh> If no one else is looking at it I may be adding another item to my todo list.
2014-03-25 21:07 <Plugh> raw file saving doesn't seem to work properly with Kokua.
2014-03-25 21:10 <Plugh> Same problem trying to save terrain under Singularity.
2014-03-25 22:04 <lkalif> So Facebook just announced they bought Occulus Rift for 2 bn
2014-03-25 22:04 <nebadon_laptop> really?
2014-03-25 22:05 <nebadon_laptop> that might be the most disapointing thing ive ever heard
2014-03-25 22:05 <lkalif> http://newsroom.fb.com/news/2014/03/facebook-to-acquire-oculus/
2014-03-25 22:05 <danbanner> ya really
2014-03-25 22:05 <nebadon_laptop> guess we wont be seeing much good from Occulus rift in the future
2014-03-25 22:05 <nebadon_laptop> thats a dead project now probably
2014-03-25 22:05 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-03-25 22:05 <nebadon_laptop> that is seriously lame
2014-03-25 22:06 <lkalif> bummer
2014-03-25 22:06 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: on the other hand, if you were oculus founder, 2bn is very tempting :P
2014-03-25 22:06 <diva> wtf?? https://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10101319050523971
2014-03-25 22:07 <diva> what the heck is going on the world?! facebook?!?
2014-03-25 22:07 <nebadon_laptop> ya seriously
2014-03-25 22:07 <nebadon_laptop> another great product down the drain
2014-03-25 22:07 <lkalif> diva: they're out to get you :P
2014-03-25 22:08 <nebadon_laptop> i bet money they do nothing with it
2014-03-25 22:08 <nebadon_laptop> probably bought it just so google cant have it
2014-03-25 22:08 <nebadon_laptop> i honestly cant see how facebook could possibly make use of it
2014-03-25 22:08 <diva> this is the most puzzling acquisition I've ever seen!
2014-03-25 22:09 <lkalif> whats app for 18 bn was more puzzling to me
2014-03-25 22:09 <lkalif> the amount is mind boggling
2014-03-25 22:09 <nebadon_laptop> google and facebook do this all the time
2014-03-25 22:09 <nebadon_laptop> they buy stuff simply to shut it down
2014-03-25 22:09 <nebadon_laptop> so no one else can use it
2014-03-25 22:09 <diva> but wtahsapp at least you can see the alignment with FB's core business. but Oculus VR?!?
2014-03-25 22:10 <nebadon_laptop> i give facebook less than 5 years before its completely irrelevant
2014-03-25 22:10 <diva> boys will buy toys, that's what is it
2014-03-25 22:11 <diva> they may be seeing the Rift as a toy
2014-03-25 22:11 <Plugh> Facebook and occulus doesn't seem like a proper fit.
2014-03-25 22:12 <nebadon_laptop> prety sure this was out of spite
2014-03-25 22:12 <nebadon_laptop> to insure that either Valve or Google doesnt buy it
2014-03-25 22:12 <nebadon_laptop> from what i hear
2014-03-25 22:12 <nebadon_laptop> Valves VR headset destroys occulus
2014-03-25 22:12 <nebadon_laptop> not even competition
2014-03-25 22:12 <diva> you mean Sony's?
2014-03-25 22:12 <nebadon_laptop> its light years ahead apparantly
2014-03-25 22:12 <nebadon_laptop> no Valve
2014-03-25 22:12 <nebadon_laptop> Sonys is junk from what i hear
2014-03-25 22:13 <nebadon_laptop> its not even as good as the v1 occulus
2014-03-25 22:13 <nebadon_laptop> Valve doesnt talk much about their stuff
2014-03-25 22:13 <nebadon_laptop> they have all kinds of crazy projects
2014-03-25 22:13 <nebadon_laptop> http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2014/2/28/5456154/valve-vr-headset-prototype-impressions-better-than-oculus-rift
2014-03-25 22:14 <diva> I now Oculus had a good relation with Valve. They have some of their toys
2014-03-25 22:14 <diva> oh man, I'm still in disbelief about this...
2014-03-25 22:14 <nebadon_laptop> ya its pretty disappointing
2014-03-25 22:14 <nebadon_laptop> now im glad i didnt order one lol
2014-03-25 22:15 <Plugh> what about the headset that Jeri is working on?
2014-03-25 22:15 <Plugh> Is that the Valve one??
2014-03-25 22:16 <Arielle_> well this will be so good for Farmville ;)
2014-03-25 22:16 <lkalif> apparently microsoft is also working on a vr headset
2014-03-25 22:17 <Plugh> lkalif: of course. They don't to be left out. They might just buy out someone else when they realize they can't do it on their own.
2014-03-25 22:17 <Plugh> ah, no. Jeri's company is Technical Illusions
2014-03-25 22:18 <lkalif> but her project was born at Valve
2014-03-25 22:18 <Plugh> Her headset is called CastAR
2014-03-25 22:18 <nebadon_laptop> I think the one with most potential right now will be valves
2014-03-25 22:19 <Plugh> lkalif: yea. Valve wasn't interested in it.
2014-03-25 22:19 <lkalif> so they ditched that one, and started work on a new one?
2014-03-25 22:20 <nebadon_laptop> He says he was shown 15 VR demos that included a demonstration of scale so impressive that people tried to "get out their phones and take a picture," a vignette that placed the subject on the edge of a cliff, and "a mechanical moving toddler's face." The prototype device, he says, is "lightyears ahead of the original Oculus Dev Kit."
2014-03-25 22:20 <Plugh> No idea what Valve is doing. Jeri left Valve and was able to take the headset stuff with her and now has her own company that is continuing its development.
2014-03-25 22:21 <Plugh> http://technicalillusions.com/
2014-03-25 22:21 <lkalif> So imagine this: Facbook buys Linden Lab next
2014-03-25 22:21 <nebadon_laptop> ya CastAR looks interesting, but im skeptical of that one
2014-03-25 22:21 <lkalif> Oculus Rift + SL = FB 3D
2014-03-25 22:22 <danbanner> lol
2014-03-25 22:22 <nebadon_laptop> and thats why they bought it
2014-03-25 22:22 <nebadon_laptop> so no one else can use it
2014-03-25 22:22 <LiruCookies> No no no no no no no no pleasseeeeee no FBLL
2014-03-25 22:22 <nebadon_laptop> Mark Zuckerberg is a dick
2014-03-25 22:23 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-03-25 22:23 <LiruCookies> Although
2014-03-25 22:23 <LiruCookies> SL timelines... could be nice
2014-03-25 22:24 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: Why are you skeptical?
2014-03-25 22:25 <nebadon_laptop> I just dont see how projectors you wear on your face can provide any level of quality I would find impressive
2014-03-25 22:27 <nebadon_laptop> maybe im wrong I am very skeptical that it will be a quality product though
2014-03-25 22:27 <diva> I LOVE the Rift!
2014-03-25 22:28 <Plugh> I have some faith in Jeri knowing something about her. As to resolution, the website should have something to say about what you can expect.
2014-03-25 22:28 <diva> I just don't see how FB will give it the love it deserves
2014-03-25 22:28 <Plugh> dinner time. bbl.
2014-03-25 22:28 <lkalif> diva: by buying Linden Lab
2014-03-25 22:28 <diva> now _that_ would be an interesting development...
2014-03-25 22:29 <Arielle_> or  using opensim
2014-03-25 22:29 <lkalif> think about it, virtual world social network, second life
2014-03-25 22:29 <Arielle_> s/l might have too much sex to clean up first
2014-03-25 22:29 <diva> FB doesn't do that
2014-03-25 22:30 <lkalif> well if FB bought LL they could do whatever
2014-03-25 22:30 <lkalif> 
ACTION starts buying servers for the SL addict sex regugees :P

2014-03-25 22:30 <lkalif> refugees
2014-03-25 22:32 <diva> FB doesn't do virtual reality and if they did I bet they would start with opensim before they would touch SL with a 5-yard stick
2014-03-25 22:34 <diva> FB is a web shop. sigh. I'm bummed. I was so looking forward to their new headset...
2014-03-25 22:34 <lkalif> I just got the 1st gen dev kit last week
2014-03-25 22:35 <lkalif> I'm very much impressed with it
2014-03-25 22:36 <lkalif> diva: remember, Cory (ex Linden) one of the two co-founders of Linden Lab is a Facebook something or other
2014-03-25 22:37 <lkalif> also Babbage Linden
2014-03-25 22:40 <diva> Babbage is at FB now?
2014-03-25 22:41 <lkalif> yep
2014-03-25 22:41 <dahlia> FB buying Oculus? I wonder if all those people who donated on kickstarter will get anything out of it, like a "thank you very much" from Zuck
2014-03-25 22:42 <lkalif> https://twitter.com/CoryOndrejka/status/448574060575072256
2014-03-25 22:42 <diva> FB they won't touch SL. like ever. if they want to go 3D, they'll do their own version
2014-03-25 22:43 <dahlia> they had cloud party and let it go
2014-03-25 22:43 <diva> cloud party was never a FB product
2014-03-25 22:44 <dahlia> no but was closely integrated and they did want to be
2014-03-25 22:45 <lkalif> FB could buy LL. They don't have to keep SL as-is.
2014-03-25 22:45 <diva> yes, and it didn't happen. FB just doesn't like 3D. this is really upsetting. They're just buying the thing as a toy soon to be dumped into the bin of used toys
2014-03-25 22:45 <lkalif> and LL valuation is like 400 million
2014-03-25 22:46 <dahlia> well theres been a lot of VR headset failures in the past, Oculus isnt really as new of an idea as many people think
2014-03-25 22:46 <lkalif> dahlia: it's not new. it's the first one that sort of works well
2014-03-25 22:46 <dahlia> well, first one that sort of works and achieved popularity
2014-03-25 22:47 <dahlia> Ive seen VR headsets like 20 years ago
2014-03-25 22:47 <diva> super expensive. This one costs $300
2014-03-25 22:47 <dahlia> ya tech gets cheaper as time goes by
2014-03-25 22:47 <dahlia> except for SL ;)
2014-03-25 22:49 <dahlia> lkalif: how do you get the 400M number?
2014-03-25 22:52 <lkalif> there was this web site that is sort of "stock exchange" for private companies, where people who have stock in non publically listed companies can trade it
2014-03-25 22:52 <lkalif> i forgot what was the name, they were spamming me, so I put them in my spam filter
2014-03-25 22:52 <lkalif> lol
2014-03-25 22:53 <dahlia> ah ok
2014-03-25 22:54 <dahlia> well FB will probably need to diversify to preserve their capital if nebadon_laptop's predictions come true 
2014-03-25 22:54 <dahlia> ;)
2014-03-25 22:55 <dahlia> 
ACTION suspects nebadon_laptop may be right

2014-03-25 22:56 <lkalif> sharespost.com was the site
2014-03-25 22:56 <lkalif> I used to have login for it
2014-03-25 22:57 <lkalif> last time I looked, LL was worth about $400 mil
2014-03-25 22:58 <dahlia> interesting.. wonder if they have any inside info of if they just base it on public info
2014-03-25 22:59 <lkalif> they base it on the private sales of stock
2014-03-25 23:00 <lkalif> which they facilitate
2014-03-25 23:00 <dahlia> oh didnt know LL had stock
2014-03-25 23:00 <lkalif> well internal stock,not publically traded
2014-03-25 23:01 <dahlia> heh radio headline just said IRS is becoming interested in bitcoin
2014-03-25 23:02 <Thonneve> I would hate for facebook to own SL
2014-03-25 23:02 <dahlia> I would also
2014-03-25 23:02 <Thonneve> Mandatory facebook connection, every sim you visit plastered over your timeline
2014-03-25 23:02 <diva> "@notch We were in talks about maybe bringing a version of Minecraft to Oculus. I just cancelled that deal. Facebook creeps me out."
2014-03-25 23:03 <dahlia> haha
2014-03-25 23:03 <lkalif> Facebook is a fully owned subsidiary of CIA anyway :P
2014-03-25 23:03 <dahlia> NSA :P
2014-03-25 23:03 <dahlia> (actually it wouldnt surprise me if it were both)
2014-03-25 23:04 <lkalif> no, CIA, and it's not a joke
2014-03-25 23:04 <dahlia> lol
2014-03-25 23:04 <nebadon_laptop> facebook is so boring
2014-03-25 23:04 <nebadon_laptop> it gets old after like 3 days
2014-03-25 23:05 <dahlia> I would probably believe the CIA had invested in FB
2014-03-25 23:05 <dahlia> but not "wholly owned"
2014-03-25 23:05 <nebadon_laptop> more like wholly pwned
2014-03-25 23:05 <lkalif> well that was a bit of poetic license
2014-03-25 23:05 <lkalif> CIA
2014-03-25 23:05 <lkalif> CIA's invenstment arm In-Q-Tel was early investor in Facebook
2014-03-25 23:06 <dahlia> would not surprise me in the least
2014-03-25 23:13 <lkalif> Why would CIA have a venture-capital arm is puzzling (and a bit orwelian)
2014-03-25 23:14 <nebadon_laptop> not really 50% of the cia is how to make money to fund black ops
2014-03-25 23:14 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-03-25 23:14 <lkalif> lol
2014-03-25 23:14 <nebadon_laptop> wish i was joking
2014-03-25 23:14 <nebadon_laptop> haha
2014-03-25 23:15 <lkalif> In-Q-Tel is not even secret. It's on CIA's web site, along with some BS explanation 
2014-03-25 23:15 <lkalif> https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/additional-publications/in-q-tel
2014-03-25 23:15 <lkalif> "In-Q-Tel: A New Partnership "
2014-03-25 23:16 <lkalif> Between the CIA and the Private Sector
2014-03-25 23:16 <lkalif> right :P
2014-03-25 23:19 <diva> lkalif: the amount of money that flows from the federal government to the US economy via programs like that one is mindboggling. Ppl have this idea that in the US individual enterpreneurship is what makes the economy happen. That's largely a myth. The money coming down from the government via defense and intelligence agencies is like nothing anywhere in the world. It's a good thing, as 
2014-03-25 23:19 <diva> much as a bad thing. That's how the Internet was built.
2014-03-25 23:20 <diva> No other government in the woprld invests as much in science and engineering like the US government
2014-03-25 23:20 <nebadon_laptop> ya everyone thinks were free market but were much closer to communist levels in that regard lol
2014-03-25 23:23 <lkalif> Yeah I'm aware of the role of DARPA in funding the new tech
2014-03-25 23:24 <diva> everytime I go to Washington DC to attend one of those meetings by the NSF or DARPA, this fact just hits me. So much money flowing down...
2014-03-25 23:25 <lkalif> But this CIA venture is a bit different. They're not only funding the research, theu are acting as regular VCs, retaining the control of the companies they fund
2014-03-25 23:29 <lkalif> twitter is fast LOL
2014-03-25 23:29 <lkalif> https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews/status/448598049871626241/photo/1/large
2014-03-25 23:31 <lkalif> "By selling to Facebook, Oculus Rift found a way to make users sick without having to use the device."
2014-03-25 23:38 <dahlia> lol
2014-03-25 23:54 <AllenKerensky> wow, I go get my hair cut and THIS happens? Ocuculus gets zucked? I am glad I didn't go wash my car...
2014-03-25 23:54 <justincc> :)
2014-03-25 23:55 <nebadon_laptop> ya you guys missed the big discussion
2014-03-25 23:55 <nebadon_laptop> extremely disappointing
2014-03-25 23:55 <justincc> why?
2014-03-25 23:55 <lkalif> zucked, I like that
2014-03-25 23:57 <nebadon_laptop> because what on earth could FB possibly want or do with VR headset
2014-03-25 23:57 <nebadon_laptop> it will probably disappear into the ether now
2014-03-25 23:58 <dahlia> "hey Steam, ZUCK YOU!" *wags middle toe....*
2014-03-25 23:58 <lkalif> hahaha
2014-03-25 23:58 <dahlia> now we need a vid of Linus saying it
2014-03-25 23:58 <justincc> it is a very curiuos move.  Perhaps they think it's the future of social connectivity
2014-03-25 23:59 <justincc> perhaps... they're now going to make the next generation virtual world ;)
2014-03-25 23:59 <lkalif> My theory is that they buy Linden Lab next
2014-03-25 23:59 <nebadon_laptop> hmm someone on another channel just pointed out that facebook also is buying a drone company
2014-03-25 23:59 <nebadon_laptop> maybe thats the tie in
2014-03-25 23:59 <nebadon_laptop> if thats the case we definitely will see open development go away
2014-03-25 23:59 <justincc> maybe it is the ultimate in telepresence
2014-03-25 23:59 <dahlia> why would they want LL anyway?
2014-03-25 23:59 <nebadon_laptop> http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2014/03/25/facebook-buys-oculus-vr-a-virtual-reality-gaming-company-for-2-billion/?utm_content=bufferf0c8e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
2014-03-25 23:59 <lkalif> cory ondreyka is tweeting how excited he is to work with oculus now
2014-03-25 23:59 <nebadon_laptop> now its making sense kind of
2014-03-26 00:00 <nebadon_laptop> they probably want the occulus for the drones
2014-03-26 00:00 <lkalif> so ondreyka is going to be FB guy in charge of Oculus
2014-03-26 00:00 <justincc> they probably see oculus as the next big thing
2014-03-26 00:00 <lkalif> and odreyka is founder of LL and SL
2014-03-26 00:00 <nebadon_laptop> personally i dont see facebook doing anything good lately
2014-03-26 00:00 <dahlia> as if he cares about SL and LL anymore
2014-03-26 00:00 <nebadon_laptop> facebook is garbage
2014-03-26 00:00 <justincc> if I remember, he was also an enthusiast for open-source and the wider metaverse concept
2014-03-26 00:01 <lkalif> yes
2014-03-26 00:01 <lkalif> Cory was a big supporter of libopenmetaverse, ie. not banning it
2014-03-26 00:01 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-03-26 00:01 <lkalif> people went mad when copybot was made
2014-03-26 00:01 <lkalif> pitchforks, etc
2014-03-26 00:01 <danbanner> we'll be able to "like" all of our games now
2014-03-26 00:02 <dahlia> Joe Linden used to hang out in libomv IRC rooms, and a few other Lindens also
2014-03-26 00:03 <lkalif> yeah, Enus and others
2014-03-26 00:03 <lkalif> but Cory got squeezed out by Philip
2014-03-26 00:03 <dahlia> you would be able to put a like button on your favorite SL bondage device :)
2014-03-26 00:04 <lkalif> Well if FB buys LL and decides to shot down or "sanitize" SL, it would be a great opportunity for some Opensim grid to pick up the refugees
2014-03-26 00:08 <nebadon_laptop> uhg shhh
2014-03-26 00:09 <nebadon_laptop> more like good time for all of opensim to be DDoS'd
2014-03-26 00:09 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-03-26 00:09 <nebadon_laptop> like the reddit hug of death
2014-03-26 00:09 <nebadon_laptop> when someone posts a link to their website and the server crashes
2014-03-26 00:12 <smxy> nebadon_laptop: ran into an issue making libgdiplus
2014-03-26 00:12 <nebadon_laptop> YES
2014-03-26 00:12 <nebadon_laptop> oops
2014-03-26 00:13 <smxy> libtool: Version mismatch error.  This is libtool 2.4.2, but the
2014-03-26 00:13 <smxy> libtool: definition of this LT_INIT comes from libtool 2.2.6b.
2014-03-26 00:13 <smxy> libtool: You should recreate aclocal.m4 with macros from libtool 2.4.2
2014-03-26 00:13 <smxy> libtool: and run autoconf again.
2014-03-26 00:13 <nebadon_laptop> 1 sec let me get solution
2014-03-26 00:13 <nebadon_laptop> oh
2014-03-26 00:13 <nebadon_laptop> that is something else
2014-03-26 00:13 <nebadon_laptop> what operating system are you running?
2014-03-26 00:13 <smxy> I don't know how to recreate that file.
2014-03-26 00:13 <smxy> CentOS 6.5 of course. :)
2014-03-26 00:13 <nebadon_laptop> uhg
2014-03-26 00:13 <smxy> It seems I have a newer libtool than expected.
2014-03-26 00:13 <nebadon_laptop> though im surprised that CentOS is using bleeding edge things
2014-03-26 00:14 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-03-26 00:14 <nebadon_laptop> that is quite unusual
2014-03-26 00:14 <AllenKerensky> new partnership between CentOS core and Red Hat
2014-03-26 00:14 <nebadon_laptop> usually CentOS and RH are LTS though
2014-03-26 00:14 <AllenKerensky> CentOS is moving into close orbit of the RHEL ecosystem between RHEL itself and Fedora - no word on where EPEL lands yet
2014-03-26 00:14 <nebadon_laptop> and generally are very conservative with their packages
2014-03-26 00:14 <lkalif> ubuntu 14.04 LTS will be the way to go
2014-03-26 00:14 <nebadon_laptop> opensuse!!
2014-03-26 00:15 <lkalif> it comes with mono 3.2
2014-03-26 00:15 <AllenKerensky> I talked to a CentOS core dev a couple of months ago - he was all happy about the roadmap
2014-03-26 00:15 <lkalif> last centos i tried didn't even have mono. i completely gave up on it
2014-03-26 00:16 <AllenKerensky> time to build a Monoboot core that loads directly from CoreBoot - run OpenSim on near-bear metal
2014-03-26 00:16 <dahlia> I used to have instructions to build mono on centos but they're long lost now
2014-03-26 00:16 <nebadon_laptop> ya everytime i used centos my problem was packages were too old
2014-03-26 00:16 <nebadon_laptop> why im shocked its saying its to new, thats unheard of
2014-03-26 00:16 <nebadon_laptop> hehe
2014-03-26 00:16 <smxy> I've been building it on CebtOS for years, just fine. This is the first time I've run into an issue.
2014-03-26 00:16 <dahlia> I think Melanie_T uses centos
2014-03-26 00:17 <smxy> CentOS*
2014-03-26 00:17 <dahlia> I prefer debian
2014-03-26 00:17 <AllenKerensky> so if you drop CentOS in diet coke...
2014-03-26 00:17 <nebadon_laptop> soooooooooose!
2014-03-26 00:17 <lkalif> dahlia: ubuntu 14.04 will be ideal for you
2014-03-26 00:17 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-03-26 00:17 <dahlia> lkalif: I prefer debian :)
2014-03-26 00:18 <lkalif> if you use it like a server there is almost no difference, except ubuntu comes with newer stuff
2014-03-26 00:18 <dahlia> but I have ubuntu 12.04 on a few machines
2014-03-26 00:19 <dahlia> debian is simpler. ubunbu often adds stuff without doing a good job of testing it
2014-03-26 00:20 <smxy> I guess I'm getting no help from you bunch, heh.
2014-03-26 00:20 <lkalif> So you don't consider "install a proper OS" help? :P
2014-03-26 00:21 <lkalif> But, srsly autotools are major PITA when it comes to different version
2014-03-26 00:21 <AllenKerensky> spoiled kids with your fancy "user friendly doo dads"
2014-03-26 00:21 <dahlia> AllenKerensky: you forgot "Get off my lawn!" 
2014-03-26 00:21 <smxy> Someone in Brazil seems to have had the same issue. Trying to translate the page.
2014-03-26 00:22 <AllenKerensky> it was coming - I am old and typo slow
2014-03-26 00:22 <dahlia> I typo quickly :)
2014-03-26 00:22 <AllenKerensky> 
ACTION shambles off mumbling something about making kids write 8-bit assembly on punch cards or paper tape

2014-03-26 00:23 <Plugh> smxy: Is there an autogen.sh file you can run?
2014-03-26 00:26 <smxy> The solution was to run: autoreconf -fvi
2014-03-26 00:26 <smxy> Then rerun the autogen command, then make
2014-03-26 00:27 <Plugh> Interesting. I can't ever think of when I had to do an autoreconf.
2014-03-26 00:27 <danbanner> i had same issue with libgdiplus on suse
2014-03-26 00:27 <danbanner> lemme try that
2014-03-26 00:27 <smxy> It made just fine, from what I can tell. I installed it and on to the next step.
2014-03-26 00:28 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: I vote for paper tape. :)
2014-03-26 00:28 <nebadon_laptop> the only problem I had with libgdiplus on opensuse 13.1 is a problem with libgif
2014-03-26 00:29 <nebadon_laptop> you have to tell it not to compile with gif support
2014-03-26 00:29 <nebadon_laptop> opensim doesnt need it anyway so no point
2014-03-26 00:31 <smxy> mono is making ...
2014-03-26 00:35 <smxy> Did that work for you, danbanner?
2014-03-26 00:35 <danbanner> got a make[2]: *** [gifcodec.lo] Error 1 now
2014-03-26 00:35 <smxy> on libgdiplus?
2014-03-26 00:35 <danbanner> ya
2014-03-26 00:35 <smxy> ew. I didn't.
2014-03-26 00:36 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2014-03-26 00:36 <nebadon_laptop> there is a easy solution to that danbanner
2014-03-26 00:36 <nebadon_laptop> 1 sec
2014-03-26 00:36 <smxy> ah, nebadon_laptop knows that one. :)
2014-03-26 00:36 <smxy> probably the one he THOUGHT I had. :)
2014-03-26 00:38 <nebadon_laptop> go ./configure --prefix=/opt/mono-3.2.8 --libdir=/opt/mono-3.2.8/lib --without-libgif
2014-03-26 00:38 <danbanner> k
2014-03-26 00:39 <Plugh> go?
2014-03-26 00:39 <nebadon_laptop> same for autogen.sh if thats what your using
2014-03-26 00:39 <nebadon_laptop> i meant to type do
2014-03-26 00:39 <Plugh> ah
2014-03-26 00:40 <Plugh> Some autogen.sh files might automatically run the ./configure stage.
2014-03-26 00:40 <nebadon_laptop> ya it does
2014-03-26 00:40 <nebadon_laptop> libgdiplus there is no configure by default just autogen.sh
2014-03-26 00:40 <nebadon_laptop> which creates configure
2014-03-26 00:40 <nebadon_laptop> so once you run autogen you can do configure after
2014-03-26 00:41 <nebadon_laptop> or just pipe all your switches through autogen.sh too
2014-03-26 00:41 <danbanner> cool that worked
2014-03-26 00:41 <smxy> sweet
2014-03-26 00:41 <nebadon_laptop> the libgif on opensuse 13.1 is too new
2014-03-26 00:41 <danbanner> hh
2014-03-26 00:41 <nebadon_laptop> there is no easy fix
2014-03-26 00:41 <danbanner> ahh
2014-03-26 00:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #3418 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-26 00:46 <smxy> You can definitely go fix and enjoy a cup of coffee waiting on mono to compile, lol.
2014-03-26 00:46 <nebadon_laptop> depends on your hardware
2014-03-26 00:47 <nebadon_laptop> is this on your new servers?
2014-03-26 00:47 <nebadon_laptop> should be really fast there
2014-03-26 00:47 <smxy> Yes, but in a VM with 2 vCPUs and 4GB RAM. :)
2014-03-26 00:47 <nebadon_laptop> ah ya
2014-03-26 00:47 <nebadon_laptop> that will take a bit lol
2014-03-26 00:47 <smxy> It's using 1 vCPU for the build.
2014-03-26 00:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3418: SUCCESS in 3 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3418/
2014-03-26 00:47 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Add some doc to Scene.Backup() detailing its direct invocation if the indepedent backup thread is not running (e.g. in a regression test)
2014-03-26 00:47 <nebadon_laptop> on the new level Xeon chips its fast
2014-03-26 00:48 <nebadon_laptop> like 5 minutes
2014-03-26 00:48 <smxy> Hey, at least I'm up to only one generation of hardware back from current, now. :)
2014-03-26 00:49 <smxy> I finished my upgrade. All new networking equipment, new servers, XenServer instead of ESXi and a FreeNAS iSCSI server.
2014-03-26 00:49 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2014-03-26 00:49 <nebadon_laptop> your liking Xen?
2014-03-26 00:50 <smxy> So far. But if I were making the decision for $WORK, rather than just myself, I'd definitely go with ESXi.
2014-03-26 00:52 <smxy> If VMware ever allows vMotion and Storage vMotion in their free ESXi, I'd switch back.
2014-03-26 00:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #3419 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-26 00:53 <smxy> Mono built. :) Than you, nameless Portugese speaking guy from Brazil. :)
2014-03-26 00:55 <Melanie_T> smxy: it's not actually necessary to make libgdiplus
2014-03-26 00:55 <Melanie_T> centos ships a version that works
2014-03-26 00:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3419: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3419/
2014-03-26 00:56 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Remove "js" (Javascript) from list of allowed languages in script config since it hasn't been present in OpenSimulator for a very long time (0.6 days)
2014-03-26 00:56 <smxy> Melanie_T: Good to know. :) I was just following Nebadon's tried and true (usually) instructions. :)
2014-03-26 00:56 <smxy> I'll keep that in mind though.
2014-03-26 01:00 <Melanie_T> just yum -y install libgdiplus-devel
2014-03-26 01:00 <Melanie_T> then pull mono and build:
2014-03-26 01:01 <smxy> Jotting that down for future reference. :)
2014-03-26 01:01 <Melanie_T> ./configure --enable-compile-warnings --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --with-large-heap
2014-03-26 01:01 <Melanie_T> then make install
2014-03-26 01:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #3420 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-26 01:01 <smxy> Thanks
2014-03-26 01:01 <zadark> What is the most efficient way to locate a commit that seems to removed one of radams patches?
2014-03-26 01:02 <Melanie_T> justincc: as far as i recall, the only user of yield prolog was also it's author and the contributor. i don't recall anyone else ever showing an interest in ti
2014-03-26 01:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3420: FAILURE in 1 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3420/
2014-03-26 01:02 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Remove unmaintained and unused YieldProlog scripting language
2014-03-26 01:02 <Melanie_T> zadark: come again? what exactly are you trying to do?
2014-03-26 01:02 <justincc> Melanie_T: exactly.  And he hasn't been seen for a long time. 
2014-03-26 01:03 <zadark> There is a section in UserAgentServiceConnector.cs that seems to gone missing
2014-03-26 01:03 <zadark> if (hash["size_x"] != null)
2014-03-26 01:03 <zadark> etc
2014-03-26 01:03 <Melanie_T> what does it do?
2014-03-26 01:04 <zadark> passes region size
2014-03-26 01:04 <zadark> As part fo GetHomeRegion
2014-03-26 01:04 <Melanie_T> im not sure that is suppose to be in there. isn't that in the grid service ?
2014-03-26 01:05 <zadark> Well it was there
2014-03-26 01:05 <justincc> yes, git log ./Services/Connectors/Hypergrid/UserAgentServiceConnector.cs only shows one recent change and that didn't remove any size_x lines
2014-03-26 01:05 <justincc> also, that file has never been touched by radams so I think you must be thinking about somewhere else
2014-03-26 01:06 <Melanie_T> that is in the grid service
2014-03-26 01:06 <zadark> ok. will check
2014-03-26 01:06 <Melanie_T> he added transfer of the region size there
2014-03-26 01:06 <Melanie_T> it was needed to support things like the map
2014-03-26 01:07 <Melanie_T> and once i'm done with our merges there are some script functions waiting for my attention that nee to be varregionied
2014-03-26 01:07 <zadark> without this opensim passes junk to the viewer, and viewer crashes
2014-03-26 01:16 <zadark> This is the commit that introduced the lines afb2e0711118706aa9e27246246d08f26e0daca5
2014-03-26 01:19 <justincc> zadark: my apologies, I was looking at an older code branch before
2014-03-26 01:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #3421 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #3419 29 min ago)
2014-03-26 01:23 <justincc> I see what you mean.  Something deeply odd has happened here
2014-03-26 01:23 <nebadon_laptop> it looks like orenhs patch clobbered it
2014-03-26 01:23 <justincc> but that didn't go near that code
2014-03-26 01:23 <nebadon_laptop> probably inadvertandly
2014-03-26 01:23 <nebadon_laptop> here
2014-03-26 01:23 <justincc> yes radams patch doesn't even show up in history 
2014-03-26 01:23 <nebadon_laptop> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=viewblob&p=opensim&h=d0a0b170be749a9204fdf94fac8893c809dc4c35&f=OpenSim/Services/Connectors/Hypergrid/UserAgentServiceConnector.cs
2014-03-26 01:23 <nebadon_laptop> orenh was last person to touch it
2014-03-26 01:23 <justincc> yeah, but if he removed those lines it would show in the diff
2014-03-26 01:23 <justincc> and it doesn't
2014-03-26 01:23 <nebadon_laptop> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=4bccfed80cf28746345301f525cfd17afc24c182
2014-03-26 01:24 <nebadon_laptop> oh hmm
2014-03-26 01:24 <Melanie_T> the only thing that can make this happen is a force push
2014-03-26 01:24 <nebadon_laptop> ya your right
2014-03-26 01:24 <nebadon_laptop> how odd
2014-03-26 01:24 <Melanie_T> if oren uses force push, he needs to stop
2014-03-26 01:24 <nebadon_laptop> it doesnt look like he changed that part of the code though
2014-03-26 01:25 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2014-03-26 01:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3421: FIXED in 3 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3421/
2014-03-26 01:25 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Also take YP/commented out JS references from script engine CodeTools.
2014-03-26 01:25 <zadark> Could this have been originally part of the varegion branch, then merged?
2014-03-26 01:26 <smxy> One has to wonder what other code simply vanished ...
2014-03-26 01:27 <nebadon_laptop> code doesnt just vanish there may be other patches that touch that file
2014-03-26 01:28 <smxy> Wouldn't the log for the file show that though?
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2014-03-26 01:32 <zadark> The HypergridHandlers.cs stuff is still there, it is as though an older copy of UserAgentServerConnector.cs has been used
2014-03-26 01:35 <justincc> the problem is that the commit has disappeared entirely from the log for that file, which should be impossible
2014-03-26 01:36 <justincc> the other changes are still there
2014-03-26 01:37 <justincc> I mean, I can restore the code and post to opensim-dev about what happened
2014-03-26 01:37 <nebadon_laptop> how odd
2014-03-26 01:38 <nebadon_laptop> probably a good idea though justincc
2014-03-26 01:38 <justincc> wel, now I'm wondering if anything else may have disappeared
2014-03-26 01:38 <justincc> and even about the integrity of the repo
2014-03-26 01:38 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-03-26 01:38 <justincc> but I don't have time to do anything else tonight - I'm already over time and making mistakes
2014-03-26 01:38 <nebadon_laptop> let me look on github see what that says
2014-03-26 01:40 <nebadon_laptop> ya according to github and our repo orenh never even touched that file
2014-03-26 01:40 <nebadon_laptop> it says radams was last to touch it 2 months ago
2014-03-26 01:40 <justincc> are you sure, he certainly touched that file, though unrelated code
2014-03-26 01:40 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: what are you looking at?
2014-03-26 01:40 <nebadon_laptop> https://github.com/nebadon2025/opensimulator/tree/master/OpenSim/Server/Handlers/Hypergrid
2014-03-26 01:40 <justincc> I've also touched it since the date stamp for radams, though his commit might be later through merge
2014-03-26 01:41 <nebadon_laptop> maybe im in wrong spot let me look again
2014-03-26 01:41 <justincc> now I'm really confused
2014-03-26 01:41 <nebadon_laptop> starting to confuse myself
2014-03-26 01:41 <nebadon_laptop> I think viewgit on our server says same thing
2014-03-26 01:41 <zadark> This currently only effect teleport home when varregions involved. Maybe wait for further investigation
2014-03-26 01:42 <smxy> the lines were in the file in r24339
2014-03-26 01:42 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: you're looking at UserAgentServerConnector
2014-03-26 01:42 <justincc> not UserAgentServiceConnector
2014-03-26 01:42 <nebadon_laptop> oh ok
2014-03-26 01:42 <smxy> definitely in r24339
2014-03-26 01:42 <nebadon_laptop> ya i am confusing the hell out of myself lol
2014-03-26 01:42 <nebadon_laptop> i dunno how i even got there
2014-03-26 01:42 <nebadon_laptop> wtf
2014-03-26 01:43 <justincc> yeah, your copy says the same thing https://github.com/nebadon2025/opensimulator/commits/master/OpenSim/Services/Connectors/Hypergrid/UserAgentServiceConnector.cs
2014-03-26 01:44 <nebadon_laptop> ok sorry about that
2014-03-26 01:44 <nebadon_laptop> https://github.com/nebadon2025/opensimulator/commits/master/OpenSim/Services/Connectors/Hypergrid/UserAgentServiceConnector.cs
2014-03-26 01:44 <smxy> gone by r24394
2014-03-26 01:44 <nebadon_laptop> ah ya
2014-03-26 01:44 <nebadon_laptop> heh
2014-03-26 01:44 <smxy> si it disappeared between r24339 and r24394
2014-03-26 01:44 <smxy> so*
2014-03-26 01:45 <justincc> smxy: how do you know?
2014-03-26 01:45 <smxy> looking at files in my old build dirs
2014-03-26 01:45 <justincc> r24394 was some time ago
2014-03-26 01:45 <justincc> back on feb 28 2014
2014-03-26 01:45 <smxy> feb
2014-03-26 01:46 <justincc> are you absolutely sure?
2014-03-26 01:46 <smxy> reasonably so
2014-03-26 01:46 <smxy> will keep checking
2014-03-26 01:47 <justincc> ok, I'm just going to reinsert and post to the opensim-dev list
2014-03-26 01:48 <justincc> alright, this isn't good - indentation is different
2014-03-26 01:48 <justincc> smxy: can you pastebin a copy of the older file you have?
2014-03-26 01:48 <smxy> sure
2014-03-26 01:48 <smxy> Then yu can make sure I'm saying the right thing, too
2014-03-26 01:49 <nebadon_laptop> ya i dont see how this could have possibly occured
2014-03-26 01:49 <nebadon_laptop> shouldnt be possible
2014-03-26 01:50 <nebadon_laptop> even if he forced it wouldnt completely remove any trace of roberts change
2014-03-26 01:50 <nebadon_laptop> I dont think anyway
2014-03-26 01:51 <justincc> I looked on the web trying to find out the exact effect of a push --force and it isn't that clear
2014-03-26 01:51 <nebadon_laptop> Melanie_T do you know for sure?
2014-03-26 01:51 <smxy> From my build of r/24339: http://pastebin.com/qw8KEHpx
2014-03-26 01:52 <zadark> justin those line have a bug, one moment
2014-03-26 01:52 <smxy> Please make sure I'm not steering you wrong.
2014-03-26 01:52 <nebadon_laptop> im going to look at an older osgrid release
2014-03-26 01:52 <nebadon_laptop> and see what the code says
2014-03-26 01:52 <zadark> Int32.TryParse((string)hash["x"], out n); should be  Int32.TryParse((string)hash["size_x"], out n);
2014-03-26 01:53 <justincc> well, this is very odd
2014-03-26 01:53 <Melanie_T> nebadon_laptop: if firced, it would indeed remove any commits
2014-03-26 01:53 <justincc> the commit still exists, it's just one piece that's gone awol
2014-03-26 01:53 <zadark> Int32.TryParse((string)hash["y"], out n); should be  Int32.TryParse((string)hash["size_y"], out n);
2014-03-26 01:53 <Melanie_T> a force push will make the server repo equal to the repo of the person who does force
2014-03-26 01:53 <nebadon_laptop> even from logs?
2014-03-26 01:53 <nebadon_laptop> it would kill all traces of previous work from logs too?
2014-03-26 01:53 <nebadon_laptop> that seems kind of bad
2014-03-26 01:53 <Melanie_T> the only place where the commit would remain is in the reflog
2014-03-26 01:53 <nebadon_laptop> someone could push out critical security fixes
2014-03-26 01:54 <nebadon_laptop> seems like a big flaw
2014-03-26 01:54 <Melanie_T> you can configure a repo to disallow force pushing
2014-03-26 01:54 <nebadon_laptop> we should do that
2014-03-26 01:54 <Melanie_T> if someone pushes
2014-03-26 01:54 <Melanie_T> works on stuff
2014-03-26 01:54 <Melanie_T> commits and pushes
2014-03-26 01:54 <Melanie_T> he gets non-fast-forward
2014-03-26 01:54 <justincc> I would like to establish what happened first before doing anything
2014-03-26 01:54 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-03-26 01:54 <Melanie_T> he needs to pull
2014-03-26 01:55 <Melanie_T> if at this point he force-pushes, maybe because he's used to being the only developer on the repo
2014-03-26 01:55 <Melanie_T> he will remove intermediate work
2014-03-26 01:55 <Melanie_T> maybe he's int he habit of force-pushing to the kitely repo
2014-03-26 01:55 <justincc> it looks like the code may have disappeared earlier
2014-03-26 01:56 <nebadon_laptop> thats what im verifying now justinc
2014-03-26 01:56 <nebadon_laptop> what i dont understand
2014-03-26 01:56 <nebadon_laptop> is how can this page exist
2014-03-26 01:56 <nebadon_laptop> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=afb2e0711118706aa9e27246246d08f26e0daca5
2014-03-26 01:56 <nebadon_laptop> but its not actually in the log
2014-03-26 01:57 <justincc> because I previously added a patch fc35b45e2176ee2dc8bf5627e84e463a2e9d3a52 on feb 13 2014 which has the older indent levels from smxy's copy
2014-03-26 01:57 <justincc> but at that point there wasn't any size_x stuff either.....
2014-03-26 01:57 <justincc> uhhh
2014-03-26 01:57 <Melanie_T> nebadon_laptop: a force push doesn't remove the commit
2014-03-26 01:57 <Melanie_T> it just removes it fromt he log
2014-03-26 01:57 <Melanie_T> but not the reflog
2014-03-26 01:57 <Melanie_T> do a git reflog
2014-03-26 01:57 <Melanie_T> it will be there
2014-03-26 01:57 <nebadon_laptop> ok i am looking at the osgrid release from the day before orenhs push
2014-03-26 01:58 <nebadon_laptop> and the code that radams supposedly added is missing
2014-03-26 01:58 <Melanie_T> then you can relink the commit
2014-03-26 01:58 <justincc> ok.. so it went missing earlier....
2014-03-26 01:58 <nebadon_laptop> so I think it was gone before then
2014-03-26 01:58 <justincc> but I certainly have never force pushed - I didn't even know what it was until 30 mins ago
2014-03-26 01:58 <justincc> but how come no one noticed until now?
2014-03-26 01:58 <justincc> it would have been gone for over 5 weeks
2014-03-26 01:58 <nebadon_laptop> oh wait
2014-03-26 01:58 <smxy> It's NOT in r/24394
2014-03-26 01:59 <nebadon_laptop> sorry i just looked at the date on radams patch
2014-03-26 01:59 <nebadon_laptop> it was after the osgrid release
2014-03-26 01:59 <nebadon_laptop> damn it
2014-03-26 01:59 <nebadon_laptop> i thought it was before
2014-03-26 01:59 <justincc> you have copies of the older releases?
2014-03-26 01:59 <nebadon_laptop> im really confused now, it seems like radams pushed his patch the same day orenh did?
2014-03-26 02:00 <justincc> are we sure this patch even got into master....
2014-03-26 02:00 <justincc> maybe it's only on another branch
2014-03-26 02:00 <nebadon_laptop> zadark made it sound like this code was in there prior to that
2014-03-26 02:01 <nebadon_laptop> wait 
2014-03-26 02:01 <smxy> I only build master
2014-03-26 02:01 <nebadon_laptop> according to git
2014-03-26 02:01 <nebadon_laptop> radams patch came after orenhs
2014-03-26 02:01 <nebadon_laptop> look at this
2014-03-26 02:01 <nebadon_laptop> Robert Adams [2014-01-24 14:30:38]
2014-03-26 02:01 <nebadon_laptop> Oren Hurvitz [2014-03-24 12:20:19]
2014-03-26 02:01 <smxy> It's all I've ever built. It's in 24339 and not in 24394
2014-03-26 02:01 <nebadon_laptop> oh no
2014-03-26 02:01 <nebadon_laptop> its the month grr
2014-03-26 02:01 <nebadon_laptop> i see
2014-03-26 02:01 <Melanie_T> it couldn't have been a force push
2014-03-26 02:01 <justincc> that cna happen when difference branches are merged
2014-03-26 02:02 <Melanie_T> that is already disabled on the opensim repo
2014-03-26 02:02 <nebadon_laptop> what are the odds they are both on the 24th
2014-03-26 02:02 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-03-26 02:02 <nebadon_laptop> sheesh
2014-03-26 02:02 <justincc> but the commit is present in master in other files
2014-03-26 02:02 <Melanie_T> uless you just added that config...
2014-03-26 02:02 <justincc> I didn't
2014-03-26 02:02 <nebadon_laptop> ok well that makes things even more strange then wtf
2014-03-26 02:03 <zadark> radms pushed this commit for me on feb 5  cf61cdf58cf5a0f0fa67f1e6078d5cbed0f036c9
2014-03-26 02:03 <nebadon_laptop> ya so why didnt justincs patches get removed from history
2014-03-26 02:03 <nebadon_laptop> oh feb 5?
2014-03-26 02:03 <nebadon_laptop> oh thats a different one
2014-03-26 02:03 <nebadon_laptop> thats not the hash you pasted earlier
2014-03-26 02:04 <justincc> and on feb 13 I made a commit which changed indentation levels.  At that point the size_x is already gone.... :(
2014-03-26 02:04 <zadark> no my patch changes a couple of lines only
2014-03-26 02:04 <justincc> something very strange has gone on
2014-03-26 02:04 <nebadon_laptop> ya and your commit didnt get scrubbed from logs
2014-03-26 02:04 <nebadon_laptop> wait
2014-03-26 02:05 <nebadon_laptop> remember we had that horrible merge happen
2014-03-26 02:05 <nebadon_laptop> and we had to revert
2014-03-26 02:05 <nebadon_laptop> could that be why this happened?
2014-03-26 02:05 <justincc> the revert should show up in the logs....
2014-03-26 02:05 <justincc> unless it was done in a hokey way
2014-03-26 02:05 <justincc> remind me what merge this was?
2014-03-26 02:05 <nebadon_laptop> no someone had to actually touch the repository locally on the server to fix it
2014-03-26 02:05 <justincc> oh, the varregion stuff itself?
2014-03-26 02:05 <justincc> oookkkkk
2014-03-26 02:05 <nebadon_laptop> someone commited a monolithic patch
2014-03-26 02:05 <nebadon_laptop> and it went horribly wrong
2014-03-26 02:05 <nebadon_laptop> remember?
2014-03-26 02:06 <nebadon_laptop> and we had to do some crazy voodoo magic to get things back in order
2014-03-26 02:06 <justincc> yeah but I thought that was much earlier
2014-03-26 02:06 <nebadon_laptop> i forget exactly what now
2014-03-26 02:06 <justincc> wasn't teravus, right?
2014-03-26 02:06 <nebadon_laptop> I dont think so
2014-03-26 02:06 <nebadon_laptop> dahlia commited someones code
2014-03-26 02:06 <nebadon_laptop> and I think melanie or you fixed it
2014-03-26 02:07 <justincc> 
ACTION blames Dahlia

2014-03-26 02:07 <justincc> wasn't me
2014-03-26 02:07 <nebadon_laptop> it wasnt that long ago if i recall
2014-03-26 02:07 <nebadon_laptop> man i cant remember full details now though
2014-03-26 02:07 <dahlia> I didn't do it! *quckly scans the room for someone else to blame..*
2014-03-26 02:07 <Plugh> I remember hearing about that.
2014-03-26 02:07 <nebadon_laptop> do you recall the details dahlia
2014-03-26 02:07 <lkalif> it must be dahlia
2014-03-26 02:07 <nebadon_laptop> would be helpful if someone could recall what the patch was and aprox date
2014-03-26 02:08 <Melanie_T> i fixed it
2014-03-26 02:08 <lkalif> she's always up to no good :P
2014-03-26 02:08 <Melanie_T> i had to do that on the server itself
2014-03-26 02:08 <dahlia> are you talking about the postgres stuff?
2014-03-26 02:08 <justincc> that sound slike it
2014-03-26 02:08 <nebadon_laptop> thats what it was
2014-03-26 02:08 <justincc> but that wouldn't go anywhere near those files I wouldn't think
2014-03-26 02:08 <nebadon_laptop> postgres
2014-03-26 02:08 <nebadon_laptop> no but we had to do some drastic reversion
2014-03-26 02:08 <dahlia> Im not sure if it went horribly wrong, or rather some people did not like a few parts of it
2014-03-26 02:08 <nebadon_laptop> ya but reverting it was where it went wrong
2014-03-26 02:09 <nebadon_laptop> not the actual commit
2014-03-26 02:09 <dahlia> I think it was more the latter
2014-03-26 02:09 <Melanie_T> it _destroyed_ whitespace across the board
2014-03-26 02:09 <Melanie_T> it was either all 8-space or all hardtab formatted iirc
2014-03-26 02:09 <nebadon_laptop> anyway i dont know if that was it
2014-03-26 02:09 <nebadon_laptop> just trying to think of why this could have happened
2014-03-26 02:09 <justincc> I have to think that was much older though
2014-03-26 02:09 <smxy> was it Aleric that made the patch?
2014-03-26 02:09 <justincc> that just feb
2014-03-26 02:09 <justincc> than just feb
2014-03-26 02:09 <dahlia> I dont remember whitespace issues from it
2014-03-26 02:10 <justincc> no I'[m at a loss.  But just one bit of a commit going awry without any trace is very concerning
2014-03-26 02:11 <justincc> and it looks like it has been gone since feb 13 at least - it doesn't really look like it was recent though we'll see if oren has any input
2014-03-26 02:11 <dahlia> I think the problem with the postgresql stuff was the pull request had a bunch of editing history from the postgresql features and it messed up some other history
2014-03-26 02:11 <justincc> and if the code was introduced in feb 5 that's quite a small window
2014-03-26 02:11 <justincc> but no real clues in commit log
2014-03-26 02:11 <dahlia> so instead teravus made it one big patch
2014-03-26 02:11 <smxy> yes, that was it, the postgrsql patch
2014-03-26 02:12 <dahlia> but the repo was restored in a manner that made it as if the pull never happened
2014-03-26 02:12 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-03-26 02:12 <justincc> but wasn't that older than just feb?
2014-03-26 02:12 <nebadon_laptop> I was just wondering if maybe there was some collateral damage 
2014-03-26 02:13 <nebadon_laptop> thats what I cant remember
2014-03-26 02:13 <justincc> commit logs show no postgres stuff before nov 2013
2014-03-26 02:13 <dahlia> no, any damage was eliminated
2014-03-26 02:14 <smxy> nebadon_laptop: you were talking, in here, about that postgres adventure in November ...
2014-03-26 02:14 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-03-26 02:14 <smxy> You mentioned it on Nov 4th
2014-03-26 02:14 <nebadon_laptop> ok so that doesnt line up then
2014-03-26 02:14 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: do you remember why bot tests were needed aroudn f81841a2c5d353d4ef09296592bdaaddcc465149 ?
2014-03-26 02:15 <nebadon_laptop> bot tests?
2014-03-26 02:15 <smxy> Fernando was the culprit that time
2014-03-26 02:16 <zadark> looking at r24351
2014-03-26 02:16 <dahlia> see, it's not my fault :P *gloats*
2014-03-26 02:16 <nebadon_laptop> oh you mean why was i testing git?
2014-03-26 02:17 <smxy> lol
2014-03-26 02:17 <nebadon_laptop> hmm
2014-03-26 02:17 <nebadon_laptop> smxy you have logs going back real far?
2014-03-26 02:17 <nebadon_laptop> for irc
2014-03-26 02:17 <smxy> yes, but I'm not always on. Just usually
2014-03-26 02:17 <justincc> zadark: er, code in radams commit does look as you describe to me
2014-03-26 02:17 <nebadon_laptop> ah right
2014-03-26 02:17 <smxy> and I was gone for a lot of last year
2014-03-26 02:17 <nebadon_laptop> can you see if you have anything from around this time
2014-03-26 02:17 <nebadon_laptop> 2014-02-04 05:30
2014-03-26 02:17 <nebadon_laptop> see if i say what I am doing
2014-03-26 02:17 <smxy> just a sec
2014-03-26 02:17 <nebadon_laptop> thanks im sure i did
2014-03-26 02:18 <nebadon_laptop> it would have been about testing git
2014-03-26 02:19 <nebadon_laptop> i am guessing justin
2014-03-26 02:19 <nebadon_laptop> this is when i upgraded my server maybe
2014-03-26 02:19 <nebadon_laptop> and i was making sure git still worked with my keys
2014-03-26 02:19 <nebadon_laptop> just a guess though
2014-03-26 02:19 <nebadon_laptop> too many servers...
2014-03-26 02:19 <justincc> smxy: pls keep hold of that old source tree in case further issues like this come to light
2014-03-26 02:19 <justincc> hopefully this is an isolated incident, though it's still concerning
2014-03-26 02:21 <zadark> looking at commit fc35b45e2176ee2dc8bf5627e84e463a2e9d3a52
2014-03-26 02:21 <zadark> part of justincc-master
2014-03-26 02:21 <smxy> [01:11] * nebadon_laptop punishes himself
2014-03-26 02:21 <smxy> hehe
2014-03-26 02:21 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-03-26 02:21 <justincc> zadark: yeah, as you can see there, that's where the indentation level changed.  But the diff shows there were no size_x lines there
2014-03-26 02:21 <dahlia> so what is the problem?
2014-03-26 02:22 <justincc> that was merged in, but if I removed lines they would show in the diff..... right?
2014-03-26 02:22 <nebadon_laptop> thats from that day smxy?
2014-03-26 02:22 <justincc> and the commit certainly wouldn't disappear from history
2014-03-26 02:22 <smxy> nothing Nebadon. nothing between 01:30 and 05:55
2014-03-26 02:22 <smxy> yes
2014-03-26 02:22 <justincc> dahlia: part of a commit from radams has somehow disappeared
2014-03-26 02:22 <justincc> with no trace in the git log for that file
2014-03-26 02:22 <nebadon_laptop> look a bit past there
2014-03-26 02:23 <dahlia> when did it disappear?
2014-03-26 02:23 <zadark> maybe the merge branch of justincc-master had starnge side effects
2014-03-26 02:23 <justincc> it looks like before feb 13, maybe after feb 5
2014-03-26 02:23 <justincc> that would be very odd - I'm not doing anything unusual in merge
2014-03-26 02:23 <justincc> just git merge
2014-03-26 02:23 <nebadon_laptop> thats around when I was in california now that I think about it
2014-03-26 02:23 <Plugh> hm... force push is new to me as well.
2014-03-26 02:23 <smxy> earlier that night you and melanie were discussing you fixing the bot and breaking it by messing up her symlink
2014-03-26 02:23 <justincc> and no rebasing or anything like that
2014-03-26 02:23 <dahlia> 
ACTION blames justincc

2014-03-26 02:23 <nebadon_laptop> ooh ok that inciddent
2014-03-26 02:23 <dahlia> :)
2014-03-26 02:24 <nebadon_laptop> yaa ok
2014-03-26 02:24 <Thonneve> nebadon_laptop: How far back do you need the IRC logs?
2014-03-26 02:24 <nebadon_laptop> thats when radams and I broke the cia bot
2014-03-26 02:24 <nebadon_laptop> thats why i was testing
2014-03-26 02:24 <justincc> if there was a conflict in merge it would require resolution
2014-03-26 02:24 <smxy> My log goes back to Nov. '11
2014-03-26 02:24 <nebadon_laptop> soo there you go justincc thats your explination
2014-03-26 02:24 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: oh?
2014-03-26 02:24 <nebadon_laptop> melanie was ready to kill me
2014-03-26 02:24 <nebadon_laptop> lol ya we didnt touch git though
2014-03-26 02:24 <justincc> right
2014-03-26 02:24 <nebadon_laptop> freenode was being ddos'd
2014-03-26 02:24 <justincc> if you didn't touch git it's not relevant
2014-03-26 02:24 <nebadon_laptop> and cia bot was going nuts
2014-03-26 02:25 <nebadon_laptop> and radams suggest a fix but he didnt have root and i did
2014-03-26 02:25 <Plugh> justincc: Yup. I tried to cherry pick two of orenh's patches in to 076PF and there was a merge conflict so I just skipped the patches.
2014-03-26 02:25 <nebadon_laptop> but in our ignorance we broke melanies bot and she wanted to kill me
2014-03-26 02:25 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-03-26 02:25 <dahlia> did any blood spill?
2014-03-26 02:26 <justincc> zadark: oh I see what you mean about those lines being wrong.  But that would suggest another commit that's gone awol....
2014-03-26 02:26 <nebadon_laptop> no but I did tell her she was being to soft on me
2014-03-26 02:26 <dahlia> if melanie smells blood.... well... it probably wouldn't be pretty :/
2014-03-26 02:26 <nebadon_laptop> she was stil sick at the time
2014-03-26 02:26 <smxy> [01:06] <Melanie_T> please don't touch it again
2014-03-26 02:26 <smxy> [01:06] <nebadon_laptop> ya I won't
2014-03-26 02:26 <nebadon_laptop> haha
2014-03-26 02:26 <justincc> stuff breaks
2014-03-26 02:27 <dahlia> sh1t happens
2014-03-26 02:27 <justincc> getting angry at people solves nothing
2014-03-26 02:27 <smxy> though she did say:
2014-03-26 02:27 <smxy> [01:07] <Melanie_T> change one thing, fuck up the rest
2014-03-26 02:27 <smxy> :)
2014-03-26 02:27 <dahlia> I remember someone I used to work with had a sign on his desk "Megash1t happens"
2014-03-26 02:28 <justincc> alright, there's at least one other commit gone awol here
2014-03-26 02:28 <justincc> or part thereof
2014-03-26 02:28 <smxy> nebadon_laptop: you did mention that git was freaking out before that and spewing errors on a push
2014-03-26 02:28 <justincc> zadark: unless you' only just spotted that the line is wrong?
2014-03-26 02:28 <nebadon_laptop> yes smxy
2014-03-26 02:29 <nebadon_laptop> it was cia gitbot spewing
2014-03-26 02:29 <nebadon_laptop> because it couldnt connect to irc.freenode.net
2014-03-26 02:29 <nebadon_laptop> because it was being ddos'd
2014-03-26 02:29 <nebadon_laptop> we were trying to change it to chat.freenode.net
2014-03-26 02:29 <zadark> justincc: my patch corrected an oversight in the oringinal
2014-03-26 02:30 <Melanie_T> you were trying. i would not have had to try. i know how :)
2014-03-26 02:30 <justincc> zadark: and that patch was submitted and applied to master?
2014-03-26 02:30 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-03-26 02:30 <Thonneve> nebadon_laptop: During that time both irc.freenode.net and chat.freenode.net where nullrouted
2014-03-26 02:30 <smxy> haha
2014-03-26 02:30 <Melanie_T> 
ACTION hands some crow to nebadon_laptop 

2014-03-26 02:30 <nebadon_laptop> 
ACTION looks down at desk and slowly chews on crow

2014-03-26 02:30 <zadark> justincc: not sure I can answer that
2014-03-26 02:30 <smxy> I remember that patch zadark - add size_ or something like that?
2014-03-26 02:31 <justincc> cf61cdf58cf5a0f0fa67f1e6078d5cbed0f036c9
2014-03-26 02:31 <zadark> robert replicated some lines and forgot to change x to size_x and y to size_y
2014-03-26 02:31 <smxy> right
2014-03-26 02:32 <justincc> which has also legged it
2014-03-26 02:32 <justincc> but if you just do git log it shows up
2014-03-26 02:32 <zadark> justincc: yes
2014-03-26 02:32 <justincc> but not for that file.....
2014-03-26 02:32 <Thonneve> Has someone broke master?
2014-03-26 02:32 <dahlia> so who's fault is it? o.0
2014-03-26 02:32 <zadark> but both involve that single fileUserAgentServiceConnector
2014-03-26 02:32 <justincc> we haven't found the scapegoat yet :)
2014-03-26 02:33 <zadark> git is a git
2014-03-26 02:33 <Plugh> :)
2014-03-26 02:33 <justincc> I've never heard this happen before though
2014-03-26 02:33 <justincc> maybe... even a git bug....
2014-03-26 02:33 <nebadon_laptop> 
ACTION looks around to see isnt here

2014-03-26 02:33 <justincc> I sincerely hope not
2014-03-26 02:33 <nebadon_laptop> 
ACTION blames MisterblueAFK

2014-03-26 02:33 <justincc> alright, I'm just going to reinsert this code and write an opensim-dev post to see if anybody else can throw any light
2014-03-26 02:34 <smxy> Git cracked under the strain of 25K tags. :p
2014-03-26 02:34 <nebadon_laptop> k cool
2014-03-26 02:34 <Thonneve> nebadon_laptop: What exactly has happened? I haven't been folowing and only just arrived
2014-03-26 02:34 <zadark> thing is this only comes to light when using teleport home
2014-03-26 02:34 <justincc> yeah, this is just in that function
2014-03-26 02:34 <nebadon_laptop> there is a log/code discrepancy zadark noticedin git
2014-03-26 02:34 <nebadon_laptop> and no one can figure it out so far
2014-03-26 02:35 <zadark> k
2014-03-26 02:35 <nebadon_laptop> and technically what happened should not be possible
2014-03-26 02:35 <smxy> Got hungry cats to feed. bbiaf :)
2014-03-26 02:36 <Thonneve> So basically
2014-03-26 02:36 <Thonneve> git dun goofed?
2014-03-26 02:36 <justincc> blaming git is the easy way out
2014-03-26 02:36 <justincc> like blaming the compiler
2014-03-26 02:36 <justincc> well ,easy until you actually spot the mistake you made
2014-03-26 02:37 <Thonneve> I blame windows
2014-03-26 02:37 <justincc> thuogh it certainly a strange thing
2014-03-26 02:37 <dahlia> 
ACTION kinda thinks the hard drive on opensimulator.org is due for replacing

2014-03-26 02:38 <zadark> I started tracing this again, when I when to set a monitor the lines had gone lol
2014-03-26 02:39 <zadark> typos getting bad need zzz
2014-03-26 02:40 <Plugh> zadark: someone I talk with on another IRC channel was fond of saying sleep is for the weak. ;)
2014-03-26 02:41 <Thonneve> Plugh: Was it me?
2014-03-26 02:41 <dahlia> sleep is for the tired :P
2014-03-26 02:41 <zadark> Happy to be weak :-)
2014-03-26 02:41 <Plugh> Thonneve: Don't think so. Completely different channel IIRC.
2014-03-26 02:42 <Thonneve> I idle in a ton of channels
2014-03-26 02:42 <Plugh> I think it might have been in ##microcontrollers
2014-03-26 02:42 <Plugh> or #gimp
2014-03-26 02:42 <Thonneve> Oh
2014-03-26 02:42 <Thonneve> Definatley not me then
2014-03-26 02:42 <Plugh> don't think it was #gimp though.
2014-03-26 02:43 <Plugh> I'm connected to 6 IRC channels. Hard to remember which one. :)
2014-03-26 02:44 <nebadon_laptop> im sort of narrowing in on when it disappeared
2014-03-26 02:44 <nebadon_laptop> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=shortlog&p=opensim&h=HEAD&pg=14
2014-03-26 02:44 <nebadon_laptop> its one of these patches on this patch
2014-03-26 02:44 <nebadon_laptop> is when it disappeared
2014-03-26 02:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #3422 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2014-03-26 02:44 <zadark> Pull time
2014-03-26 02:44 <nebadon_laptop> uhh
2014-03-26 02:44 <nebadon_laptop> Justincc ping
2014-03-26 02:44 <justincc> ?
2014-03-26 02:44 <nebadon_laptop> it appears to disappeared during one of your merges
2014-03-26 02:45 <justincc> alright, let me have it
2014-03-26 02:45 <justincc> how so?
2014-03-26 02:45 <nebadon_laptop> ok see this page
2014-03-26 02:45 <nebadon_laptop> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=shortlog&p=opensim&h=HEAD&pg=14
2014-03-26 02:45 <nebadon_laptop> now
2014-03-26 02:45 <nebadon_laptop> look at the patch just before your merges
2014-03-26 02:45 <nebadon_laptop> r/24299
2014-03-26 02:46 <nebadon_laptop> if i put this into github blame for that file that hash
2014-03-26 02:46 <nebadon_laptop> here
2014-03-26 02:46 <nebadon_laptop> https://github.com/nebadon2025/opensimulator/blame/0842e2e15b6af6f940648b0b74488f2da88ce920/OpenSim/Services/Connectors/Hypergrid/UserAgentServiceConnector.cs
2014-03-26 02:46 <nebadon_laptop> the missing code exists
2014-03-26 02:46 <nebadon_laptop> and
2014-03-26 02:46 <nebadon_laptop> if i put in the hash just after your merge
2014-03-26 02:46 <nebadon_laptop> its gone
2014-03-26 02:47 <nebadon_laptop> https://github.com/nebadon2025/opensimulator/blame/67ec95bde88d852df0f150dd55ea19456b4a070b/OpenSim/Services/Connectors/Hypergrid/UserAgentServiceConnector.cs
2014-03-26 02:47 <nebadon_laptop> the only stuff in between these 2 commits is your merge
2014-03-26 02:47 <justincc> shit
2014-03-26 02:47 <nebadon_laptop> yay for forensics
2014-03-26 02:47 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-03-26 02:48 <nebadon_laptop> 
ACTION puts on his sherlock hat and puffs on pipe

2014-03-26 02:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3422: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3422/
2014-03-26 02:48 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Reinsert code to extract size_x and size_y parameters from GetHomeRegion response in UserAgentServiceConnector.
2014-03-26 02:48 <smxy> So, Justin did it. :)
2014-03-26 02:48 <nebadon_laptop> maybe
2014-03-26 02:48 <nebadon_laptop> its looking that way though lol
2014-03-26 02:49 <smxy> hehe
2014-03-26 02:49 <nebadon_laptop> i still cant explain what happened
2014-03-26 02:49 <nebadon_laptop> all i can say is it happened in that block of merges
2014-03-26 02:50 <dahlia> which merges?
2014-03-26 02:50 <nebadon_laptop> here dahlia > http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=shortlog&p=opensim&h=HEAD&pg=14
2014-03-26 02:51 <nebadon_laptop> justincs merges between r/24300 - r/24305
2014-03-26 02:51 <justincc> go on dahlia, let me have it
2014-03-26 02:51 <nebadon_laptop> the code goes missing
2014-03-26 02:51 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-03-26 02:51 <dahlia> 
ACTION blames justincc and gloats about it :)

2014-03-26 02:51 <dahlia> justincc: was that sufficient?
2014-03-26 02:52 <smxy> What will be most interesting is whn he figures out how he did it. :)
2014-03-26 02:52 <smxy> when*
2014-03-26 02:52 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: The hat and pipe suit you. ;)
2014-03-26 02:52 <nebadon_laptop> i feel better pinpointing when it occured
2014-03-26 02:52 <nebadon_laptop> it feels less random now
2014-03-26 02:52 <nebadon_laptop> though i am still struggeling to understand what happened
2014-03-26 02:53 <smxy> But it's in 24339 neb, which is later
2014-03-26 02:53 <dahlia> does git blame help?
2014-03-26 02:53 <smxy> how can that be?
2014-03-26 02:53 <nebadon_laptop> not necesarrily
2014-03-26 02:53 <nebadon_laptop> let me look
2014-03-26 02:54 <nebadon_laptop> hmm ya your right what the heck
2014-03-26 02:54 <smxy> :)
2014-03-26 02:54 <nebadon_laptop> ok back to being nervous again
2014-03-26 02:54 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-03-26 02:55 <smxy> Maybe it just fades in and out of reality.
2014-03-26 02:55 <nebadon_laptop> oh
2014-03-26 02:55 <nebadon_laptop> i see why
2014-03-26 02:55 <nebadon_laptop> justins merge is actually after that
2014-03-26 02:55 <nebadon_laptop> git is so confusing
2014-03-26 02:56 <nebadon_laptop> the date on justins merge is actually after 24339
2014-03-26 02:56 <nebadon_laptop> i think
2014-03-26 02:56 <nebadon_laptop> hmm no sorry was looking at wrong date
2014-03-26 02:56 <nebadon_laptop> frigan git
2014-03-26 02:56 <dahlia> lol
2014-03-26 02:56 <smxy> I built 24339 which would have been head then, on 2/4
2014-03-26 02:57 <nebadon_laptop> its wierd many of commits after justins merge dont have it
2014-03-26 02:57 <nebadon_laptop> its like it disappears and then comes back
2014-03-26 02:57 <nebadon_laptop> wtf
2014-03-26 02:57 <nebadon_laptop> and then disappears again
2014-03-26 02:57 <justincc> yeah, I'm not sure you're right now neb
2014-03-26 02:58 <nebadon_laptop> me either
2014-03-26 02:58 <dahlia> 
ACTION blames sunspot activity

2014-03-26 02:58 <nebadon_laptop> i don't get it
2014-03-26 02:58 <smxy> Maybe it just fades in and out of reality.
2014-03-26 02:58 <nebadon_laptop> i mean i know git is not totally linera
2014-03-26 02:58 <nebadon_laptop> but this is ridiculous
2014-03-26 02:58 <smxy> cue the Twilight theme music
2014-03-26 02:59 <nebadon_laptop> linear*
2014-03-26 02:59 <zadark> Don't want to seem selfish, but Gerry Lizard now teleports home to a large region, no problem. Thanks Justin
2014-03-26 02:59 <smxy> Twilight Zone*
2014-03-26 03:00 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: the earliest date for disappering is after wed feb 5th 2014, comit cf61cdf
2014-03-26 03:00 <justincc> that was zadarak's
2014-03-26 03:00 <justincc> but it's still possibly me
2014-03-26 03:00 <nebadon_laptop> merges get confusing
2014-03-26 03:00 <nebadon_laptop> because sometimes they get spread over many days in the log
2014-03-26 03:00 <nebadon_laptop> and its not linear at al
2014-03-26 03:01 <nebadon_laptop> the first instance of it disappearing is in your merge
2014-03-26 03:01 <nebadon_laptop> nothing before that
2014-03-26 03:01 <nebadon_laptop> i am certain of that
2014-03-26 03:01 <nebadon_laptop> i went day by day
2014-03-26 03:02 <nebadon_laptop> looking at blame
2014-03-26 03:02 <nebadon_laptop> but ya im more confused now that ever though
2014-03-26 03:04 <dahlia> 
ACTION reluctantly unblames justincc

2014-03-26 03:05 <nebadon_laptop> haha
2014-03-26 03:06 <nebadon_laptop> zadark what was the hash for the original commit from Misterblue again?
2014-03-26 03:06 <nebadon_laptop> it scrolled off my log
2014-03-26 03:06 <zadark> one moment, date was 2014-01-24
2014-03-26 03:07 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: it very likely is connected with my merge on bc7fda39b496bb9fe45c96fd0df2a349ea3e5045
2014-03-26 03:07 <nebadon_laptop> i found it zadark by date
2014-03-26 03:07 <nebadon_laptop> thanks
2014-03-26 03:07 <Melanie_T> merges should not ever drop commits
2014-03-26 03:07 <nebadon_laptop> afb2e0711118706aa9e27246246d08f26e0daca5
2014-03-26 03:07 <justincc> because tha't's when I merged in changes to UserAgentServiceConnector, and at 3a7c8d things were ok but not at e10012a
2014-03-26 03:07 <zadark> afb2e0711118706aa9e27246246d08f26e0daca5
2014-03-26 03:07 <zadark> lol
2014-03-26 03:07 <Melanie_T> maybe it is a bug in git
2014-03-26 03:07 <justincc> yeah, I still dont' understand it, I wouldn't have done anything out of the ordinary
2014-03-26 03:07 <Melanie_T> "there is always one last bug"
2014-03-26 03:08 <dahlia> when did Melanie_T start all her merge stuff? because I've been laying low since she started. I thought it was decemberish
2014-03-26 03:08 <justincc> I'll have to investigate this at more length tomorrow
2014-03-26 03:08 <justincc> and look through the rest of that merge to check I didn't accidentall yblat anything else
2014-03-26 03:08 <Melanie_T> dahlia: it was
2014-03-26 03:08 <justincc> really odd
2014-03-26 03:08 <nebadon_laptop> ya it may very well be some kind of git bug
2014-03-26 03:08 <Melanie_T> then mid december i was taken ill
2014-03-26 03:08 <Melanie_T> until mid feb i was more or less out of it
2014-03-26 03:08 <nebadon_laptop> i dunno, none of this makes any sense
2014-03-26 03:08 <Melanie_T> couldn't string 2 statements together
2014-03-26 03:08 <Melanie_T> then i pushed some more stuff
2014-03-26 03:08 <Melanie_T> and now the rest is in the works
2014-03-26 03:09 <Melanie_T> but don't let me hold things up
2014-03-26 03:09 <justincc> I really want to do a release in April
2014-03-26 03:09 <Melanie_T> all i ask is to go easy on SOG/SOP to make my life easier
2014-03-26 03:09 <Melanie_T> the rest is fair game
2014-03-26 03:09 <justincc> because that might be the last time I have a window for a while
2014-03-26 03:09 <Melanie_T> justincc: because of personal time?
2014-03-26 03:10 <Melanie_T> or something in the code?
2014-03-26 03:10 <justincc> personal time mainly
2014-03-26 03:10 <Melanie_T> k
2014-03-26 03:10 <dahlia> well I was thinking of sticking an octree in Scene but I managed to stick it in a region module :)
2014-03-26 03:10 <justincc> however, this really requires the floating avatar issue to be fixed
2014-03-26 03:11 <Melanie_T> that is part of what we're working on
2014-03-26 03:11 <justincc> and at least one bug on sat region crossings to be investigated
2014-03-26 03:11 <dahlia> though scene could use an octree
2014-03-26 03:11 <Melanie_T> see, the new interfaces (they'll be ready soon) contain a SetAvatarHeight on PhysicsManager
2014-03-26 03:11 <Melanie_T> it allows physics to know the avatar height, rather than having to guess it
2014-03-26 03:11 <Melanie_T> the call is in SP
2014-03-26 03:12 <Melanie_T> it's commented out for now
2014-03-26 03:12 <Melanie_T> once that is in, the hovering will be over
2014-03-26 03:12 <justincc> is that something that can go in soon?
2014-03-26 03:12 <Melanie_T> yes
2014-03-26 03:12 <Melanie_T> it's the first thing we're making ready
2014-03-26 03:13 <justincc> ok, well the option is either to fix up a few things, do a release then more major changes.  Or do more major changes but have another period where things need to stablizie
2014-03-26 03:13 <Melanie_T> yes
2014-03-26 03:13 <justincc> which I imagine may well take things past april
2014-03-26 03:13 <Melanie_T> i suppose the release pressure is to get verregion out?
2014-03-26 03:13 <dahlia> how about a release?
2014-03-26 03:13 <Melanie_T> if so, i would be cautious
2014-03-26 03:14 <Melanie_T> too many things in code have not yet been adapted to it
2014-03-26 03:14 <Melanie_T> anything that deals with regions is a mess right now
2014-03-26 03:14 <justincc> not so much.  It's more that we've not had a release since last sept and we're near a point of better stability
2014-03-26 03:14 <Melanie_T> from oar to terrain loading to scripting
2014-03-26 03:14 <justincc> yeah, I think varreginos should certainly still be considered experimental
2014-03-26 03:14 <Melanie_T> then they should not be in a release
2014-03-26 03:14 <Melanie_T> so waiting might be better
2014-03-26 03:14 <justincc> everything is always in a release
2014-03-26 03:14 <Melanie_T> if it's in a release, people WILL use it
2014-03-26 03:14 <Melanie_T> and then complain
2014-03-26 03:15 <dahlia> meh they complain anyway
2014-03-26 03:15 <Melanie_T> but less
2014-03-26 03:15 <smxy> Tell them it's a preliminary version of varregions and not perfect.
2014-03-26 03:15 <smxy> It's not like they're paying for it.
2014-03-26 03:16 <Melanie_T> i would suggest something
2014-03-26 03:16 <Melanie_T> disable them by default
2014-03-26 03:16 <Melanie_T> make a opensim.ini flag
2014-03-26 03:16 <Melanie_T> that they have to set
2014-03-26 03:16 <Melanie_T> like
2014-03-26 03:16 <Melanie_T> [General]
2014-03-26 03:16 <Melanie_T> Varregions="Yes I know this is experimental!"
2014-03-26 03:16 <Melanie_T> to enable them
2014-03-26 03:16 <dahlia> its already an option in Regions.ini
2014-03-26 03:17 <Melanie_T> then, if people complain, you can say "remember what you wrote in the ini file"?
2014-03-26 03:17 <Melanie_T> so if they find any bugs, they get to keep them
2014-03-26 03:17 <Melanie_T> and if they break it, they get to keep both pieces
2014-03-26 03:17 <justincc> you do have to specify in config but nothing yet makes you aware that it's experimental
2014-03-26 03:17 <dahlia> people didnt complain much when I had all that "WARNING" stuff in materials
2014-03-26 03:18 <Melanie_T> well, did materials work?
2014-03-26 03:18 <justincc> I don't thikn that has been in a release yet
2014-03-26 03:18 <Melanie_T> or were there reasons to complain?
2014-03-26 03:18 <dahlia> pretty much, had a couple buglets
2014-03-26 03:18 <Melanie_T> so see
2014-03-26 03:18 <Melanie_T> but varregion has more than 10 major issues we could enumerate right here
2014-03-26 03:18 <justincc> yes
2014-03-26 03:18 <Melanie_T> people WILL hit he wall
2014-03-26 03:18 <justincc> I'll suggest that to radams and see what he thinks
2014-03-26 03:18 <Melanie_T> expectations can't be met y the current cod
2014-03-26 03:18 <justincc> I would really like to do a release in april
2014-03-26 03:19 <Thonneve> Var Regions have bugs? Since when did this happen?
2014-03-26 03:19 <justincc> quite a big todo list in http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Varregion :)
2014-03-26 03:19 <justincc> don't know how much of that is done
2014-03-26 03:19 <dahlia> there are no bugs, only undocumented features :)
2014-03-26 03:19 <Thonneve> ^
2014-03-26 03:20 <dahlia> well I guess ome features are documented
2014-03-26 03:20 <dahlia> *some
2014-03-26 03:20 <dahlia> but misdocumented as bugs
2014-03-26 03:20 <Thonneve> Adjacent regions shouldn't have to be the same size...
2014-03-26 03:20 <dahlia> so the bugs are obviously in the documentation
2014-03-26 03:21 <Melanie_T> people don't RTFM
2014-03-26 03:21 <dahlia> the documentation fails to say "Dont use varregions", obviously a bug
2014-03-26 03:21 <Thonneve> Melanie_T: Is the adjacent regions of different sizes fixed? Because I'm 93.632% sure it's not a viewer bug..
2014-03-26 03:22 <Melanie_T> no
2014-03-26 03:22 <Melanie_T> it needs a complete rewirk of Borders
2014-03-26 03:22 <Thonneve> Ahh
2014-03-26 03:22 <Melanie_T> basically breaking up Borders into 256m pieces
2014-03-26 03:22 <Thonneve> I was going to say, the wiki said it was a viewer bug but I'm sure I remember having a normal region bang smack next to a var region
2014-03-26 03:22 <Melanie_T> so that each of them can connect to a different heighbor
2014-03-26 03:24 <Thonneve> Turn off neighbours, instant win
2014-03-26 03:24 <zadark> Note http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Varregion Restriction 'Adjacent regions must be the same size.' 
2014-03-26 03:24 <dahlia> I thought MisterblueAFK told me that it was fixed by querying grid services for the new region and position in the new region
2014-03-26 03:24 <Melanie_T> i did see that go in
2014-03-26 03:24 <dahlia> but my memory is sketchy 
2014-03-26 03:24 <Melanie_T> but i'm not sure it's all done
2014-03-26 03:24 <Melanie_T> he's not here to defend himself ;)
2014-03-26 03:24 <justincc> alright, I'm way over time.  Goodnight folks
2014-03-26 03:25 <Thonneve> Melanie_T: Want me to test several randomly sized var regions next to eachother to see what kind of state it's in?
2014-03-26 03:25 <KenS> Just updated to latest dev master and can no longer log into my test grid. Hangs at Requesting Region capabilities
2014-03-26 03:26 <Melanie_T> Thonneve: you could do that
2014-03-26 03:26 <Melanie_T> or we wait for misterblue to tell us
2014-03-26 03:26 <Melanie_T> either way is good
2014-03-26 03:26 <zadark> KenS: I have just updated 4 standalones and 2 grids and have not seen that issue
2014-03-26 03:26 <Thonneve> I'll set it up now, I might need someone to go in viewer side... I may have destroyed the fan on my CPU...
2014-03-26 03:27 <Melanie_T> use superglue to stick on a crank
2014-03-26 03:27 <KenS> Ill try another restart.  First time Ive seen an issue loging in in about a year
2014-03-26 03:27 <Thonneve> cd superglue
2014-03-26 03:27 <Thonneve> no directory found
2014-03-26 03:27 <Thonneve> This is what happens when you try to read and type
2014-03-26 03:30 <Thonneve> I was also thinking more of encasing the CPU in dry ice
2014-03-26 03:32 <smxy> huh. Rcn's speedtest site that their techs use, says my link is doing 41/12. But dslreports.com says it's doing 71/15
2014-03-26 03:32 <Thonneve> smxy: Is rcn your provider?
2014-03-26 03:32 <smxy> yes
2014-03-26 03:33 <smxy> and my connection is generally awesome
2014-03-26 03:33 <smxy> I can dl a 20GB file in about 40 minutes
2014-03-26 03:33 <Thonneve> Chances are your provider will give much lower or much higher speeds
2014-03-26 03:33 <Thonneve> That way they cover their ass if it sucks
2014-03-26 03:34 <smxy> I like how the upstream speed is creeping up. It used to be 11, now 15
2014-03-26 03:35 <smxy> Faster upstream is good for Opensim
2014-03-26 03:35 <Melanie_T> well, opensim still isn't really for home hosting
2014-03-26 03:35 <Thonneve> But I do it anyway
2014-03-26 03:35 <Melanie_T> not on asym lines anyway
2014-03-26 03:35 <Melanie_T> it breaks, for most, at two external avatars
2014-03-26 03:35 <Thonneve> I think I probably have the most... unconvetional setup for opensim ever
2014-03-26 03:35 <smxy> As do I. Many people use my gates. But the better the upstream, the faster their TPs out are.
2014-03-26 03:36 <Melanie_T> smxy: what is it you run anyway?
2014-03-26 03:36 <smxy> Oh? I'd bet mine's pretty unconventional. :)
2014-03-26 03:36 <Thonneve> smxy: I hosted a region for a few days on a HTC one
2014-03-26 03:36 <Thonneve> Probably the first region running on a HTC One
2014-03-26 03:37 <smxy> Hmm? Just what's been a testing grid, but I just upgraded my networking, servers, virtualization software and network storage and will start to get residents now. Talked to a few  people already.
2014-03-26 03:37 <Thonneve> nebadon_laptop: I actually ended up testing physics on the HTC One
2014-03-26 03:38 <Thonneve> 1 physical prim was fine while sitting
2014-03-26 03:38 <Thonneve> Walking up to it? Not good
2014-03-26 03:39 <smxy> Sanctuary's always been a testing grid, but after 4+ years, it's time to get some actual residents. :)
2014-03-26 03:39 <Thonneve> It took 3 hours to get it to stop overheating and freezing after trying 100 physical boxes
2014-03-26 03:40 <dahlia> I host several regions at home
2014-03-26 03:40 <dahlia> never had any complaints
2014-03-26 03:41 <smxy> Right now, people come to my grid, just so they can leave, lol
2014-03-26 03:41 <smxy> The gates are popular. :)
2014-03-26 03:41 <Thonneve> smxy: Stargates?!
2014-03-26 03:41 <smxy> Blamgates
2014-03-26 03:41 <smxy> About 80 of them
2014-03-26 03:41 <Thonneve> What on earth is a blamgate?
2014-03-26 03:42 <smxy> You walk through it and Blam! you're on anothe grid. :)
2014-03-26 03:42 <Thonneve> Imagine if you could do that on second life
2014-03-26 03:42 <dahlia> typical bandwidth -> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3396177211
2014-03-26 03:42 <Thonneve> Purpetual region teleporting and nothing you can do about it
2014-03-26 03:42 <smxy> Pathfinder Lester made the original. I improved on it and now he uses my version. :)
2014-03-26 03:43 <Thonneve> http://www.speedtest.net/result/3396178704.png
2014-03-26 03:43 <dahlia> plenty :)
2014-03-26 03:43 <Thonneve> This is the internet that hosts a unpopulated region
2014-03-26 03:44 <Thonneve> Simply because I can't seem to get an idea to stick for more than an hour
2014-03-26 03:44 <zadark> smxy: Nice configuration you have there. Quick and sweet
2014-03-26 03:46 <smxy> That site that dahlia and Thonneve used says I have 73.40/15.91 :)
2014-03-26 03:47 <nebadon_laptop> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3396183500
2014-03-26 03:47 <nebadon_laptop> nice Thonneve cant say I am surprised at all lol
2014-03-26 03:48 <nebadon_laptop> had to try though :)
2014-03-26 03:49 <smxy> When it gets to 89 Mbps down, then I'll be paying $1 per Mbps
2014-03-26 03:49 <smxy> heh
2014-03-26 03:49 <smxy> Unless they raise my rates. :)
2014-03-26 03:50 <nebadon_laptop> thats about what i pay
2014-03-26 03:50 <nebadon_laptop> 1$ a Mbps
2014-03-26 03:50 <Thonneve> nebadon_laptop: It was a fun test though, except when I picked up the phone.. All metal phones and a lot of heat don't go well
2014-03-26 03:51 <nebadon_laptop> lol ya
2014-03-26 03:51 <nebadon_laptop> good way to drain your battery
2014-03-26 03:52 <Thonneve> It was charging at the time
2014-03-26 03:53 <Thonneve> It was a very good way to have a portable heater though
2014-03-26 03:53 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-03-26 03:57 <smxy> So, did you ever figure out why that code comes and goes?
2014-03-26 04:00 <nebadon_laptop> no
2014-03-26 06:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #3423 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-26 07:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3423: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3423/
2014-03-26 07:01 <osjenkins> orenh: Revert "Use log-rolling on the log files (once per day)"
2014-03-26 07:48 <osmantis> Bug #7038:04 Unwearing mesh attachments very slow and generates [SynchronousObjectRequester] message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7038 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-26 11:02 <osmantis> Bug #7038:04 Unwearing mesh attachments very slow and generates [SynchronousObjectRequester] message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7038 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-26 11:57 <osmantis> Bug #7038:04 Unwearing mesh attachments very slow and generates [SynchronousObjectRequester] message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7038 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-26 12:26 <smxy> Morning Oren.
2014-03-26 12:33 <orenh> hi smxy
2014-03-26 12:33 <orenh> it's past lunch for me
2014-03-26 12:34 <osmantis> Bug #7077:04 New warning and error messages thrown on every login and logout as of r/24531 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7077 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-26 12:38 <osmantis> Bug #7038:04 Unwearing mesh attachments very slow and generates [SynchronousObjectRequester] message IF mesh contains a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7038 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-03-26 12:43 <osmantis> Bug #7077:04 New warning and error messages thrown on every login and logout as of r/24531 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7077 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-26 12:44 <osmantis> Bug #7038:04 Unwearing mesh attachments very slow and generates [SynchronousObjectRequester] message IF mesh contains a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7038 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-26 12:44 <osmantis> Bug #7077:04 New warning and error messages thrown on every login and logout as of r/24531 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7077 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-26 12:45 <osmantis> Bug #7077:04 New warning and error messages thrown on every login and logout as of r/24531 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7077 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-03-26 12:45 <smxy> Oh, well, good afternoon, then. :) UK?
2014-03-26 12:45 <orenh> Israel
2014-03-26 12:46 <orenh> GMT +2
2014-03-26 12:46 <smxy> Ah. Several of my coworkers are from there. We get up very early to work with the,. :)
2014-03-26 12:46 <smxy> them*
2014-03-26 12:48 <orenh> really? any company I know?
2014-03-26 12:49 <smxy> Yes, but I'm not allowed to say. :)
2014-03-26 12:51 <smxy> I work for a reeeeeeealy big global consulting/technology/outsourcing firm. :)
2014-03-26 12:56 <H-H-H-PHONE> Hi guys did you manage to solve the missing code issue?
2014-03-26 12:58 <smxy> No. Justin's going to continue investigating. But he re-added it.
2014-03-26 13:00 <osmantis> Bug #7078:04 Avatar floats when elevation is negative 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7078 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-26 13:04 <osmantis> Bug #7078:04 Avatar floats when elevation is negative 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7078 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2014-03-26 13:59 <osmantis> Bug #6689:04 KeyframedMotion: KFM_TRANSLATION does not the job 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6689 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-26 14:01 <H-H-H-PHONE> Ah ty smxy
2014-03-26 15:51 <skittles> Hi.
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2014-03-26 16:58 <osmantis> Bug #7038:04 Unwearing mesh attachments very slow and generates [SynchronousObjectRequester] message IF mesh contains a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7038 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-26 17:16 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-26 17:18 <orenh> Does anyone know where the default timeout of 100 seconds comes from?
2014-03-26 17:18 <orenh> It seems that when no timeout is specified for HTTP requests, that makes the timeout 100 seconds
2014-03-26 17:18 <orenh> Which is too long
2014-03-26 17:18 <orenh> but I can't find how to change it
2014-03-26 17:22 <Dev_Random> If I were to add a console command to change the owner of an estate, can somebody tell me what issues I might have in propagating that information?
2014-03-26 17:22 <Dev_Random> i.e. would it require a restart?
2014-03-26 17:24 <Plugh> Good question.
2014-03-26 17:26 <Plugh> I'm guessing but I would think OS would query for the data. It is possible a viewer might cache the data which would only require a relog for the change to appear.
2014-03-26 17:26 <Plugh> Dev_Random: The other response is "try it and see what happens". :)
2014-03-26 17:27 <Plugh> Dev_Random: BTW, are you planning on adding any other estate management commands?
2014-03-26 17:27 <nebadon> probably would require a restart
2014-03-26 17:27 <Dev_Random> was just a discussion about that command in #opensim... just moving it over here
2014-03-26 17:28 <nebadon> the key thing is to not have unskilled people have to go database diving to change an estate owner
2014-03-26 17:28 <Dev_Random> Plugh: I'm still pretyy newish to this code.  I have no idea what areas to look for problems
2014-03-26 17:28 <nebadon> we should never ever be telling someone edit the database as a solution if we can help it
2014-03-26 17:28 <Plugh> I don't know a lot about the code base either. I just go after issues that I've run across that I want to see fixed.
2014-03-26 17:29 <Plugh> nebadon: yea. Adding estates, and (re)assigning regions to estates can require database changes.
2014-03-26 17:29 <nebadon> ya that is another good one
2014-03-26 17:30 <nebadon> change Estate
2014-03-26 17:30 <Plugh> That is something I'm going to be doing for 11 regions shortly.
2014-03-26 17:30 <Dev_Random> there is a mantis for that one
2014-03-26 17:30 <nebadon> how estate change should work probably should be you can do something like > estate change NewEstate
2014-03-26 17:31 <nebadon> or if you just type estate change you get a prompt that lists the available estates
2014-03-26 17:31 <nebadon> like it does when you start a new region up
2014-03-26 17:31 <nebadon> say your using a shared estate database and starting a new region when prompted for Estate it lists all the estates in the DB
2014-03-26 17:32 <Dev_Random> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7046
2014-03-26 17:32 <nebadon> ok I think there should be 1 command
2014-03-26 17:32 <nebadon> estate change
2014-03-26 17:33 <nebadon> and if the estate you specify doesnt change it creates it
2014-03-26 17:33 <nebadon> sorry doesnt exist
2014-03-26 17:36 <Dev_Random> and another for changing owners?  estate setowner UUID ?
2014-03-26 17:36 <nebadon> ya I think it should accept uuid or name maybe even
2014-03-26 17:36 <nebadon> its either just uuid or both
2014-03-26 17:36 <nebadon> i would prefer both
2014-03-26 17:37 <Dev_Random> or course you would.. you're management
2014-03-26 17:37 <nebadon> haha
2014-03-26 17:37 <Plugh> a list of estates? That would be a long list.
2014-03-26 17:37 <nebadon> it already does that now Plugh
2014-03-26 17:37 <nebadon> when you start a new region
2014-03-26 17:37 <Dev_Random> estates are stored in region DB, no?
2014-03-26 17:37 <nebadon> depends on how its configured Dev_random
2014-03-26 17:38 <nebadon> you can setup shared centralized estate database for entire grid
2014-03-26 17:38 <Plugh> ok. I haven't been starting new regions in that fashion.
2014-03-26 17:38 <nebadon> ya a large grid probably would not Plugh
2014-03-26 17:38 <nebadon> if they were smart :P
2014-03-26 17:38 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-03-26 17:58 <nebadon> http://mobile.theverge.com/2014/3/25/5547626/minecraft-oculus-vr-cancelled
2014-03-26 17:58 <nebadon> first tree has fallen
2014-03-26 17:58 <nebadon> lol
2014-03-26 18:04 <nebadon> hmm interesting osmantis has not come back
2014-03-26 18:07 <Dev_Random> but Mantis has been running flawlessly since Melanie_T mentioned her interest in inspecting its innards next time it goes AWOL
2014-03-26 18:07 <Melanie_T> lol
2014-03-26 18:07 <Melanie_T> guess it's running scared
2014-03-26 18:07 <Melanie_T> or maybe it accepted one of your apologies
2014-03-26 18:07 <Dev_Random> could be it.
2014-03-26 18:12 <nebadon> ya it is very odd that its not crashed again
2014-03-26 18:12 <nebadon> Melanie_T you did modify my.cnf though right?
2014-03-26 18:12 <nebadon> in guess that was it
2014-03-26 18:13 <nebadon> I guess*
2014-03-26 18:40 <danbanner> ping orenh
2014-03-26 18:42 <danbanner> is it possible on a heavily scripted region (approx 2500 scripts) that the thread could be getting aborted prematurely by your commit http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commitdiff&p=opensim&h=b13214af273f826699e97bd1f4dd2e49bfe43f5e
2014-03-26 18:42 <danbanner> i seem to be seeing the thread getting aborted around 2000 scripts loaded
2014-03-26 18:44 <danbanner> was looking for your opinion before i go chasing things farther 
2014-03-26 18:45 <danbanner> http://pastebin.com/MHUah5ky
2014-03-26 18:45 <nebadon> danbanner
2014-03-26 18:46 <Melanie_T> nebadon: yes i did
2014-03-26 18:46 <nebadon> change this > private static readonly int THREAD_TIMEOUT = 60 * 1000;
2014-03-26 18:46 <nebadon> to 120 * 1000
2014-03-26 18:46 <nebadon> see if it makes a difference
2014-03-26 18:46 <danbanner> okay
2014-03-26 18:47 <Melanie_T> the script thread is not launched through fire and forget
2014-03-26 18:47 <Melanie_T> however, if the region is extemely busy, other threads may take that long
2014-03-26 18:47 <nebadon> its Wright Plaza
2014-03-26 18:47 <nebadon> soo ya
2014-03-26 18:48 <Melanie_T> to me that patch looks extremely dangerous
2014-03-26 18:48 <nebadon> ya im certainly not suggesting 120 as a fix
2014-03-26 18:48 <Melanie_T> it has the potential to really mess up some things that are started through fire and forget and are designed to take longer than 1 minute
2014-03-26 18:48 <nebadon> i just want to see if this is actually whats causing our problem
2014-03-26 18:48 <Melanie_T> for instance tasks doing network i/o
2014-03-26 18:49 <nebadon> script loading would be doing that no?
2014-03-26 18:49 <Melanie_T> no
2014-03-26 18:49 <Melanie_T> script engine threads are distinvt fromt hat
2014-03-26 18:49 <Melanie_T> but agin, there may be interlocking
2014-03-26 18:50 <Melanie_T> i believe that this watchdog cannot be put intoi core as it is
2014-03-26 18:51 <Melanie_T> there needs to be a way to launch a task on the threadpool that is not in the watchdog, to be able to run long-running tasks that are intended that way
2014-03-26 18:51 <nebadon> ok
2014-03-26 18:51 <Melanie_T> and the timeout needs to be increased to a point where a hang is certein
2014-03-26 18:51 <Melanie_T> i wuld suggest 1 hour
2014-03-26 18:51 <danbanner> nebadonya that fixed it
2014-03-26 18:51 <nebadon> well hopefully orenh shows up shortly and can explain better what he was doing here
2014-03-26 18:51 <Melanie_T> hanging thrads are not that critical
2014-03-26 18:51 <danbanner> nebadon ya that fixed it
2014-03-26 18:51 <nebadon> ok
2014-03-26 18:51 <nebadon> thanks
2014-03-26 18:52 <danbanner> 60 seconds is just too soon
2014-03-26 18:52 <Melanie_T> so we lose a thread for one hour - no big deal
2014-03-26 18:52 <nebadon> so ya we need to change that I suppose
2014-03-26 18:52 <danbanner> +1 Melanie_T
2014-03-26 18:52 <nebadon> so should it be 60 * 10000?
2014-03-26 18:52 <Melanie_T> after all, 1 hours is better than forever
2014-03-26 18:52 <danbanner> even 10 minutes would work i think
2014-03-26 18:53 <danbanner> lemme start a mantis 
2014-03-26 18:53 <nebadon> thanks danbanner
2014-03-26 18:54 <nebadon> .
2014-03-26 18:55 <Melanie_T> well....
2014-03-26 18:55 <Melanie_T> the thread that sends group notices to offline users
2014-03-26 18:55 <Melanie_T> with 5000 users in a group
2014-03-26 18:55 <Melanie_T> that will exceed 10 minutes
2014-03-26 18:55 <Melanie_T> it's the longest running task i'm aware of
2014-03-26 19:00 <danbanner> bots gone
2014-03-26 19:00 <danbanner> but add your comments http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7079
2014-03-26 19:00 <orenh> danbanner Melanie_T nebadon - 2 things
2014-03-26 19:01 <orenh> 1. I searched for all places where FireAndForget is called, and identified (or tried to) those that may take >1 minute
2014-03-26 19:01 <orenh> then I switched them to use a thread outside the threadpool
2014-03-26 19:01 <orenh> if I missed one, then it should be moved as well
2014-03-26 19:01 <orenh> sec...
2014-03-26 19:01 <orenh> See: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/General-Purpose_Threadpool
2014-03-26 19:02 <orenh> right at the end
2014-03-26 19:02 <orenh> I changed calls to FireAndForget to calls to Util.RunThreadNoTimeout() for long tasks
2014-03-26 19:02 <orenh> 2. I added this watchdog due to a problem that actually happened:
2014-03-26 19:02 <nebadon> welcome back mrbot
2014-03-26 19:02 <nebadon> i kicked him
2014-03-26 19:03 <orenh> something was causing all the threads to hang. not all at once, but one every few minutes
2014-03-26 19:03 <orenh> pretty soon, all 15 threads were hung
2014-03-26 19:03 <nebadon> ok orenh problem is that patch is causing problems on Wright Plaza
2014-03-26 19:03 <orenh> and OpenSim got into a very bad state
2014-03-26 19:03 <Melanie_T> orenh: WorkItem.Cancel is a cooperative abort
2014-03-26 19:03 <nebadon> if we change 60 * 1000 to 120 * 1000 problem goes away
2014-03-26 19:03 <orenh> 2 minutes timeout shouldn't be a problem
2014-03-26 19:03 <orenh> but 1 hour would not solve the problem of threadpool depletion
2014-03-26 19:03 <Melanie_T> unless the thread itself checks for cancellation, it will not do anything
2014-03-26 19:04 <orenh> I think 2 minutes may work better because the default timeout for some network activities is 100 seconds
2014-03-26 19:04 <orenh> I asked above *why* it's 100 seconds, but no answer
2014-03-26 19:04 <danbanner> im sure theres bogged done sims around that might exceed 2 mins tho
2014-03-26 19:04 <orenh> does anyone know?
2014-03-26 19:04 <orenh> it can't exceed 100 secs
2014-03-26 19:04 <Melanie_T> network timeout for certain tcp stages is 5 minutes
2014-03-26 19:04 <orenh> the calling thread won't wait that long
2014-03-26 19:04 <orenh> for example, see mantis... wait...
2014-03-26 19:05 <Melanie_T> and there is no defined timeout for the time a server takes between receiving a request and providin the response
2014-03-26 19:05 <orenh> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7038
2014-03-26 19:05 <orenh> see the attached file called " log of error working with mesh.txt"
2014-03-26 19:05 <orenh> it shows a large timeout
2014-03-26 19:05 <orenh> which is 100 seconds
2014-03-26 19:05 <Melanie_T> threadpool depletion as you describe it has, to my knownledge, never been observed
2014-03-26 19:05 <orenh> I observed it
2014-03-26 19:05 <Melanie_T> never before, i meant
2014-03-26 19:06 <Melanie_T> i don't like this approach
2014-03-26 19:06 <Melanie_T> it's a band aid
2014-03-26 19:06 <orenh> like all the other watchdogs?
2014-03-26 19:06 <orenh> it makes the system stay up
2014-03-26 19:06 <orenh> when it would otherwise grind to a halt
2014-03-26 19:07 <Melanie_T> in this case, we have a condition that, so far, has occurred in only one configuration, yours
2014-03-26 19:07 <nebadon> well i am all for making opensimulator more stable, but this patch is preventing Wright Plaza from starting up
2014-03-26 19:07 <orenh> and about the fact that it's cooperative cancelation:
2014-03-26 19:07 <nebadon> so something needs to change
2014-03-26 19:07 <orenh> when the timeout happens, another thread is added to the threadpool
2014-03-26 19:07 <Melanie_T> i would like fir you to create a thread dump of the system when it in that state of depletion
2014-03-26 19:07 <orenh> if changing to 2 minutes solves the problem then great
2014-03-26 19:07 <Melanie_T> so we can detrmine where they're hung
2014-03-26 19:08 <orenh> the system does write the stack trace of the thread that is hung
2014-03-26 19:08 <orenh> but only on Windows, because this functionality doesn't exist in Mono
2014-03-26 19:08 <orenh> so I can't show it (I use mono)
2014-03-26 19:08 <nebadon> you probably need to do a dump
2014-03-26 19:08 <Melanie_T> when i say "it is a band aid" i mean that for a so narrowly defined condition there has to be a root cause
2014-03-26 19:08 <nebadon> kill -3 <pid>
2014-03-26 19:08 <orenh> also, I'll never get to depletion again because I've been running this code for months now
2014-03-26 19:08 <nebadon> that should dump all threads
2014-03-26 19:08 <Melanie_T> and i feel it should be investigated rather than avoided
2014-03-26 19:08 <nebadon> just dont do it in a gnu screen session
2014-03-26 19:09 <orenh> what's the problem with screen?
2014-03-26 19:09 <Melanie_T> i would like for you to take the code out on your install
2014-03-26 19:09 <Melanie_T> let it happen
2014-03-26 19:09 <Melanie_T> and dump threads
2014-03-26 19:09 <nebadon> it doesnt like thread dumps
2014-03-26 19:09 <Melanie_T> the dump could be veru interesting
2014-03-26 19:09 <orenh> I'm not going to do that. The system is stable now, and I'm not going to destabilize it.
2014-03-26 19:09 <orenh> like I said, this has been running for a long time without any problem on my system
2014-03-26 19:09 <nebadon> can you recreate the region
2014-03-26 19:09 <nebadon> make a copy
2014-03-26 19:10 <Melanie_T> no one suggests to do this on a production system.
2014-03-26 19:10 <Melanie_T> liek he said
2014-03-26 19:10 <orenh> I can't make the problem happen. It's rare. It happened when many people were logging in at once
2014-03-26 19:10 <Melanie_T> a good datapoint
2014-03-26 19:10 <Melanie_T> we do know logins can cause deadlocks and delays
2014-03-26 19:10 <orenh> it was at one of the Kitely weekly meetings
2014-03-26 19:10 <orenh> the interesting thing is,
2014-03-26 19:10 <Melanie_T> what is the size of those meetings, typically?
2014-03-26 19:10 <orenh> the hung threads were *different*!
2014-03-26 19:10 <orenh> that was amazing
2014-03-26 19:11 <orenh> it wasn't a single call flow that was hung
2014-03-26 19:11 <orenh> at the time of the hang there were maybe 20 people
2014-03-26 19:11 <orenh> I'm not sure
2014-03-26 19:11 <orenh> it was a while ago
2014-03-26 19:11 <Melanie_T> no but i would think the hung threads were all, directly or indirectly, waiting for one lock
2014-03-26 19:11 <orenh> yah
2014-03-26 19:11 <orenh> it's usually something with networking
2014-03-26 19:12 <orenh> anyway, like we have watchdogs for many other things,
2014-03-26 19:12 <orenh> these threads should also have a watchdog
2014-03-26 19:12 <nebadon> we actually did see stuff like that a couple times at some of the OSCC13 load testing 
2014-03-26 19:12 <nebadon> I have seen thread depletion as well but not in some time
2014-03-26 19:12 <Melanie_T> well, it does appeal like oren did do a thread dump
2014-03-26 19:13 <Melanie_T> appear*
2014-03-26 19:13 <Melanie_T> which does satisfy me as far as it having been investigated goes
2014-03-26 19:13 <nebadon> orenh what mono do you run?
2014-03-26 19:13 <orenh> 3.2.3
2014-03-26 19:13 <nebadon> since going to mono 3+ threading has improved considerably
2014-03-26 19:14 <nebadon> ok cool
2014-03-26 19:14 <Melanie_T> i just don't feel comfortable when a probem is avoided instead of investigated but if it is investigated and found to lack rhyme or reason, then the watchdog is the proper solution
2014-03-26 19:14 <orenh> I'll increase it to 2 minutes to get around the 100-sec threshold
2014-03-26 19:14 <orenh> I wish I knew where that 100 sec is coming from, though
2014-03-26 19:14 <Melanie_T> i'd feel more comfy with 5 mins
2014-03-26 19:14 <danbanner> thanks orenh
2014-03-26 19:15 <orenh> ok, it's a .NET default - http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.net.httpwebrequest.timeout.aspx
2014-03-26 19:15 <orenh> but here's an interesting factoid: one of the Mantises contains a log that shows that an XMLRPC call had a 100-sec timeout, even though it's EXPLICITLY set to timeout after 10 seconds
2014-03-26 19:16 <orenh> somehow that timeout is being ignored
2014-03-26 19:16 <orenh> *sigh*
2014-03-26 19:16 <lkalif> Is most locking in Opensim due to access to collections? In that case a lot of that can be removed by switching to .NET threadsafe stuff
2014-03-26 19:16 <lkalif> .net 4 that is
2014-03-26 19:16 <Melanie_T> orenh: the 10s timeout may apply from established connection to reply
2014-03-26 19:17 <Melanie_T> setting up the connection at the tcp level still has the 100sec timeout
2014-03-26 19:17 <Melanie_T> lkalif: collections are a part of it but not the greater part
2014-03-26 19:17 <lkalif> what is most locking about then?
2014-03-26 19:17 <orenh> the property being set is HttpWebRequest.Timeout - see http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.net.httpwebrequest.timeout.aspx
2014-03-26 19:17 <Melanie_T> most locking has to do with moanipulation of complex interrelated data
2014-03-26 19:18 <orenh> it should have worked
2014-03-26 19:18 <lkalif> HttpWebRequest implementation is horrible
2014-03-26 19:18 <orenh> the call to request.GetRequestStream() is what timed-out after 100 seconds, instead of 10
2014-03-26 19:18 <orenh> this was on Windows btw
2014-03-26 19:18 <Melanie_T> orenh: i beieve that timeout dos indeed exclude connection setup time
2014-03-26 19:18 <Melanie_T> it's to be understood as a server response timeout, not a tcp timeout
2014-03-26 19:18 <Melanie_T> the connect timeout is a separate timeout
2014-03-26 19:19 <orenh> I don't think that's right. The docs say: "The Timeout applies to the entire request and response"
2014-03-26 19:19 <Melanie_T> yes but not connection setup.....
2014-03-26 19:20 <orenh> this is interesting: the timeout may be due to connection throttlng. see: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1500955/adjusting-httpwebrequest-connection-timeout-in-c-sharp
2014-03-26 19:21 <orenh> also, it appears that there's another relevant property: ReadWriteTimeout
2014-03-26 19:21 <orenh> which isn't currently being set
2014-03-26 19:23 <orenh> danbanner: your dump showed a place I did miss
2014-03-26 19:23 <orenh> it calls TouchAllSceneAssets() in FireAndForget()
2014-03-26 19:23 <orenh> so I'll fix that place, too
2014-03-26 19:24 <danbanner> thanks
2014-03-26 19:34 <nebadon> http://i.imgur.com/WQ1waZI.jpg
2014-03-26 19:35 <orenh> I'm increasing the timeout to 10 minutes. Should still be enough to avoid depletion, I hope.
2014-03-26 19:35 <H-H-H> lol
2014-03-26 19:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #3424 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-26 19:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3424: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3424/
2014-03-26 19:40 <osjenkins> orenh: - Increased the threadpool timeout to 10 minutes
2014-03-26 19:43 <dahlia> Stallman, eat your heart out :P http://www.computerhistory.org/press/ms-source-code.html
2014-03-26 19:45 <lkalif> lol
2014-03-26 19:48 <lkalif> "Now that Facebook owns Oculus, people will soon be able to poke you in the eye."
2014-03-26 19:48 <nebadon> lol
2014-03-26 19:49 <Saphira> [Like]
2014-03-26 19:49 <dahlia> OW! :(
2014-03-26 19:50 <dahlia> 
ACTION is tempted to make an open hardware 3d goggles design

2014-03-26 19:51 <lkalif> 
ACTION is hardware-making challenged

2014-03-26 19:51 <paulieflomar> I can't recall any tech announcement in recent history that I (and apparently many others) have had a PHYSICAL REACTION to. I mean, people are physically shake, like feeling it in the pit of your stomach. That's just WIERD, isn't it? 
2014-03-26 19:51 <dahlia> take a cheapie tablet, 3d print a thingie to fit it to your head, find some off the shelf lenses, and do some software magic
2014-03-26 19:52 <Dev_Random> you left out the "somehow"
2014-03-26 19:52 <dahlia> ?
2014-03-26 19:52 <danbanner> orenh: worked flawlessly this time thanks alot :)
2014-03-26 19:52 <Dev_Random> "somehow" is how software magic happens
2014-03-26 19:52 <nebadon> step 4: profit
2014-03-26 19:52 <nebadon> lol
2014-03-26 19:53 <orenh> good to hear
2014-03-26 19:53 <paulieflomar> I didn't even realize that I was *emotionally* invested in this thing so deeply. I feel like I've been betrayed, physically kicked in the stomach. I am floored by my actual physical reaction to this announcement.
2014-03-26 19:53 <dahlia> Dev_Random: check your IRC channel list, this is a software dev channel :)
2014-03-26 19:53 <paulieflomar> It;s surprising and bizarre.
2014-03-26 19:53 <danbanner> ya and to think i actually wanted a rift
2014-03-26 19:54 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION apologizes for questioning dahlia's magic

2014-03-26 19:54 <paulieflomar> I was *salivating* for a Rift. Now, I feel like the future just died. 
2014-03-26 19:54 <danbanner> same here paulie
2014-03-26 19:54 <Melanie_T> i wanted to get a dev kit
2014-03-26 19:54 <Melanie_T> now that's off for me, too
2014-03-26 19:55 <dahlia> I dont really care, I only see in one eye anyway. I just dont care much for FB
2014-03-26 19:55 <Melanie_T> "the rift has closed"
2014-03-26 19:55 <danbanner> poor ctrlaltdavid
2014-03-26 19:55 <paulieflomar> yep
2014-03-26 19:55 <paulieflomar> It feels like the 7 stages of grief, or somethin.
2014-03-26 19:55 <lkalif> I still have fun with mine
2014-03-26 19:55 <paulieflomar> just bizarre, this reaction.
2014-03-26 19:55 <danbanner> ya if i could get a pre-facebook model it might feel ok
2014-03-26 19:55 <dahlia> supposedly the steam one is better
2014-03-26 19:56 <danbanner> vavles?
2014-03-26 19:56 <paulieflomar> Oh, I will *never* support Zuck's empire by buying one now.
2014-03-26 19:56 <lkalif> Oculus is the only one that you can get
2014-03-26 19:56 <danbanner> valves
2014-03-26 19:56 <lkalif> all others are vaporware
2014-03-26 19:56 <dahlia> steam, valva, whoever
2014-03-26 19:56 <paulieflomar> I'm sad that I can never buy one, now. It may be the  greatest thing ever and I just cant do it.
2014-03-26 19:56 <nebadon> http://i.minus.com/ibgOaQYLlF4V55.gif
2014-03-26 19:56 <nebadon> lol I love reddit
2014-03-26 19:56 <nebadon> its the ultimate drama fest
2014-03-26 19:57 <dahlia> lol
2014-03-26 19:57 <dahlia> ROFL
2014-03-26 19:59 <lkalif> lol
2014-03-26 19:59 <paulieflomar> yeah, reddit is givin it the bizness, aint it?
2014-03-26 20:00 <nebadon> http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/21d2zo/facebook_acquires_oculus_vr_major_drama_brewing/
2014-03-26 20:00 <nebadon> haha love the image in upper right corner lol
2014-03-26 20:11 <dahlia> so I wonder if this means that Carmack is working for FB now
2014-03-26 20:14 <paulieflomar> whiny, Natiri voice: "Oculus!!! I TRUSTED yoouuu!"
2014-03-26 20:16 <paulieflomar> I'm wondering, personally, if my unexpected emotionalal reaction to this event is a sign that I need to step back and re-evaluate my priorities. Is that even possible?
2014-03-26 20:17 <paulieflomar> I appear to be "all up in the kool-aid" when it comes to tech.
2014-03-26 20:17 <nebadon> lol
2014-03-26 20:17 <nebadon> nah everyone is having similar reactions
2014-03-26 20:17 <paulieflomar> Maybe we are *all* nuts?
2014-03-26 20:17 <nebadon> anytime Facebook touches something it generally does not do well
2014-03-26 20:18 <paulieflomar> Or are we having a valid reaction to "the Deathstar appearing in our Solar system?"
2014-03-26 20:18 <nebadon> facebook certainly did not do Cloudparty any good
2014-03-26 20:18 <lkalif> if everyone is "nuts" then that's the new normal, so you wouldn't notice
2014-03-26 20:18 <paulieflomar> "the planet wil be within firing range in TEN minutes.."
2014-03-26 20:18 <lkalif> reverse the polarity!
2014-03-26 20:19 <paulieflomar> Send Luke Skywalker in to blow the thing up!!!
2014-03-26 20:26 <paulieflomar> I'm struggling to "integrate" this situation into my world-view. Efforts are in motion to derive what I should "learn" from it, if anything. Cynicism is battling trust, hope is wounded and currently fighting for its survival in ICU. Etc, etc. Future-shock has shocked me, good, this time. I was under the delusion that I was beyond "future-shock." I could handle any change this future threw 
2014-03-26 20:26 <paulieflomar> at me. Turns out I'm just another old man yelling at clouds. Heh.
2014-03-26 20:27 <paulieflomar> Human after all"
2014-03-26 20:28 <paulieflomar> as Daft Punk tried to tell me.
2014-03-26 20:30 <Plugh> nebadon: I like that occulus rift image with the face hugger. :)
2014-03-26 20:30 <paulieflomar> I need to wear my t-shirt that says: "The Future called. You have no IDEA what's coming."
2014-03-26 20:32 <paulieflomar> Ah well. I'm whacked on Excedrin and Sudafed, today, anyway, trying to deal with this crushing sinus condition. So, maybe today ain't the best day to plany my whole future. :)
2014-03-26 20:33 <paulieflomar> 
ACTION just turns up the Daft Punk station on PANDORA and zones out...

2014-03-26 20:34 <Arielle_> except Facebook itself of course
2014-03-26 20:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #3425 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-26 20:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3425: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3425/
2014-03-26 20:40 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix extra physics params MSSQL migration (version 39).
2014-03-26 20:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #3426 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-26 20:47 <osmantis> Bug #6593:04 crash with SQL database, error in SQL query when creating tables... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6593 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-26 20:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3426: SUCCESS in 3 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3426/
2014-03-26 20:48 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add MSSQL EstateStore.migrations VERSION 10 transaction to add AllowLandMark, AllowParcelChanges and AllowSetHome columns to estate_settings table.
2014-03-26 20:49 <osmantis> Bug #7074:04 MSSQL crash related to missing migrations. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7074 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-26 20:58 <osmantis> Bug #7079:04 watchdog to abort slow threads in the main thread pool acts too quickly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7079 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-26 20:58 <osmantis> Bug #7079:04 watchdog to abort slow threads in the main thread pool acts too quickly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7079 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-26 20:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #3427 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-26 21:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3427: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3427/
2014-03-26 21:03 <osjenkins> jjustincc: refactor: Actually use MaptileStaticFile in RegionInfo rather than having both a public field and a get property
2014-03-26 21:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #3428 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-26 21:03 <Melanie_T> where do removed warnings go?
2014-03-26 21:03 <Melanie_T> are they lonely?
2014-03-26 21:04 <justincc> they go to hell, where they belong
2014-03-26 21:04 <Melanie_T> that's harsh
2014-03-26 21:04 <Melanie_T> poor little warnings, they have good intentions, they do...!
2014-03-26 21:05 <justincc> Yes, I shouldn't be blaming the warnings, I should blame the people who ifnore them
2014-03-26 21:05 <justincc> ignore
2014-03-26 21:05 <osmantis> Bug #7075:04 MSSQL Crash during setup in call to inventory folder update.. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7075 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-26 21:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3428: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3428/
2014-03-26 21:07 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: minor: remove compiler warning from NullEstateData
2014-03-26 21:07 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Fix MSSQLInventoryHandler.IncreementFolderVersion where sql accidentally used a MySQL style ?folderID insted of @folderID
2014-03-26 21:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #3429 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-26 21:08 <osmantis> Bug #7028:04 [PATCH] PhysicalPrimMax to 64m for ini Default files to enable standard size prims and mesh to be used with vehicles. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7028 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-26 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #6593:04 crash with SQL database, error in SQL query when creating tables... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6593 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-26 21:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3429: SUCCESS in 3 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3429/
2014-03-26 21:11 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add LuciusSirnah to contributors list
2014-03-26 21:15 <osmantis> Bug #7028:04 [PATCH] PhysicalPrimMax to 64m for ini Default files to enable standard size prims and mesh to be used with vehicles. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7028 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-26 21:15 <smxy> Justin figured out how he (we assume; might not be true) made code fade in and out of reality? :)
2014-03-26 21:16 <smxy> figure*
2014-03-26 21:16 <H-H-H> really ? be interesting to know
2014-03-26 21:17 <smxy> It certainly is a head-scratcher.
2014-03-26 23:37 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-26 23:41 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-26 23:42 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-26 23:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #3430 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-26 23:47 <osmantis> Bug #7028:04 [PATCH] PhysicalPrimMax to 64m for ini Default files to enable standard size prims and mesh to be used with vehicles. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7028 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-26 23:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3430: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3430/
2014-03-26 23:48 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: change misspelling of overriden to overridden in comments within config files
2014-03-26 23:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #3431 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-26 23:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3431: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3431/
2014-03-26 23:52 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Change incorrect "Maximum" in the PhysicalPrimMin OpenSim.ini.example description to "Minimum"
2014-03-26 23:58 <dahlia> hmmm do I need a rift to make ctrl-alt-studio viewer work in double image mode?
2014-03-26 23:59 <lkalif> I have not tried it, but Linden viewer uses a shortcut to switch to the mode
2014-03-26 23:59 <lkalif> ctrl-shift-d
2014-03-26 23:59 <lkalif> iirc
2014-03-27 00:00 <dahlia> nope
2014-03-27 00:00 <dahlia> I have it set to output to rift in prefs
2014-03-27 00:00 <dahlia> but only see single image
2014-03-27 00:01 <BlueWall> a few shots of Jack Daniels will fix that
2014-03-27 00:01 <BlueWall> 0.o
2014-03-27 00:01 <dahlia> unfortunately not, I only see in one eye and I dont drink anyway
2014-03-27 00:01 <justincc> I see David just released 1.2 an hour ago.  is that what you are trying?
2014-03-27 00:01 <BlueWall> :/
2014-03-27 00:02 <dahlia> 1.2.0.40751
2014-03-27 00:02 <justincc> maybe longer than an hour, I'm going by the tweet
2014-03-27 00:02 <justincc> that's the one
2014-03-27 00:02 <dahlia> ya just downloaded
2014-03-27 00:02 <justincc> I think you might need a rift for that mode, but I can't be 100% sure
2014-03-27 00:02 <dahlia> 
ACTION is trying to make 3d headset

2014-03-27 00:02 <justincc> though I guess in theory, it doesn't know if you have a rift attached or not
2014-03-27 00:02 <BlueWall> nice
2014-03-27 00:03 <dahlia> wonder if it's possible to use a debug setting or something
2014-03-27 00:03 <danbanner> tape a tablet to your head ;p
2014-03-27 00:03 <dahlia> kind of the idea :)
2014-03-27 00:04 <dahlia> divert video into tablet, 3d print a thingie to fit it to my face, find some cheapie lenses
2014-03-27 00:04 <dahlia> hook tablet direction sensors to input device
2014-03-27 00:04 <dahlia> how hard can it be? (tm)
2014-03-27 00:11 <danbanner> true
2014-03-27 00:11 <danbanner> get a kinect to detect movement
2014-03-27 00:11 <dahlia> dont need one, tablet can do it
2014-03-27 00:11 <danbanner> for your hands
2014-03-27 00:12 <dahlia> does rift detect hands?
2014-03-27 00:12 <danbanner> nope, this will put you ahead of rift
2014-03-27 00:13 <nebadon> there is something like that already
2014-03-27 00:13 <dahlia> hmm well I set RiftEnabled to true in debug settings but still noworkie
2014-03-27 00:13 <dahlia> wonder if older version might work better
2014-03-27 00:13 <nebadon> http://www.cnet.com.au/vrase-turns-your-smartphone-into-vr-goggles-339345342.htm
2014-03-27 00:14 <nebadon> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2041280918/vrase-the-smartphone-virtual-reality-case
2014-03-27 00:14 <dahlia> meh someone beat me to it :(
2014-03-27 00:15 <dahlia> well I was thinking open hardware, they want money
2014-03-27 00:15 <nebadon> ya
2014-03-27 00:16 <nebadon> enough with the glasses already wheres the wireless brain implants!
2014-03-27 00:17 <nebadon> i definitely don't want to wear stuff on my head
2014-03-27 00:17 <nebadon> that gets really old really fast
2014-03-27 00:17 <nebadon> i cant even stand headphones
2014-03-27 00:19 <osmantis> Bug #7016:04 Object loses name, owner, creator properties, ability to be deleted, etc. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7016 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-27 00:20 <nebadon> hah logged into SL looking at my friends list, just remembered I have a SL Alt named Bahda Bing
2014-03-27 00:24 <dahlia> well ctrl-alt isnt going to do it, need to find something else
2014-03-27 00:24 <ssm2017> dahlia, there is a "vr" button on the bottom right of the viewer
2014-03-27 00:24 <ssm2017> or 3d
2014-03-27 00:24 <dahlia> oh?
2014-03-27 00:24 <ssm2017> you need to set to oculus in prefs and then restart and then you have a "3d" button on the bottom right
2014-03-27 00:24 <dahlia> oh ty :)
2014-03-27 00:25 <dahlia> lol now how to get out if it
2014-03-27 00:25 <ssm2017> esc
2014-03-27 00:25 <dahlia> :D
2014-03-27 00:26 <ssm2017> ctrlalt studio is using the mouse look so you can customize the mouse look in prefs to see chat windows etc...
2014-03-27 00:26 <dahlia> well now need to figure out how to get video into tablet
2014-03-27 00:26 <dahlia> maybe some vnc hack
2014-03-27 00:27 <ssm2017> i prefear the ctrlaltstudio definition but i like the ideo of the new linden interface but the linden one is just a first step and not fine already because we loose all the oculus settings
2014-03-27 00:28 <Arielle_> http://bitcortex.com/oculus-libre-open-source-hmd-inspired-by-oculus-rift/
2014-03-27 00:30 <danbanner> dahlia: try splashtop
2014-03-27 00:30 <danbanner> is it an android tablet?
2014-03-27 00:31 <osmantis> Bug #7019:04 osSetPrimitiveParams can't change an NPC's attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7019 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-27 00:32 <H-H-H> is tyhere anyone around that knows the script engine  a bit as im trying a script of the lsl wiki for the aiml interpreter and its giving me a syntax error on a strait c+p
2014-03-27 00:32 <H-H-H> http://lslwiki.net/lslwiki/wakka.php?wakka=LibraryLindenAIML
2014-03-27 00:33 <H-H-H> thats what im trying to compile
2014-03-27 00:33 <H-H-H>    parsed_reply=llGetSubString(parsed_reply,srai_ind1+6,srai_ind2-=1); is the line it highlights
2014-03-27 00:33 <dahlia> danbanner: ya android
2014-03-27 00:33 <danbanner> splashtop will work then
2014-03-27 00:34 <danbanner> its for playing pc games streams to tablet
2014-03-27 00:35 <dahlia> oh it wants an account
2014-03-27 00:35 <justincc> H-H-H: srai_ind2-=1 is not valid syntax
2014-03-27 00:35 <justincc> I would be surprised if that works on linden grid but maybe there's some bizarre corner case
2014-03-27 00:37 <H-H-H> i just  changed it to -1 and it blew a gasket just trying to catch what it says
2014-03-27 00:37 <justincc> then if one eliminates the possible rogue "=" sign, it instead fails on a more opensimulator specific error where unparsed_clusters_string is defined in both global and local scope
2014-03-27 00:37 <justincc> which is probably valid lsl but not currently handled by opensim
2014-03-27 00:37 <H-H-H> haha yeah that
2014-03-27 00:37 <justincc> you would need to change one of those names
2014-03-27 00:38 <H-H-H> im just making a grumpy old man npc that rambles random comments lol
2014-03-27 00:38 <H-H-H> ok thanks justincc is this something worht mantising or not?
2014-03-27 00:39 <justincc> H-H-H: it's a well known issue but might not have a mantis
2014-03-27 00:39 <justincc> in any case, I doubt it will get fixed very soon
2014-03-27 00:39 <H-H-H> ok well i will have a look in mantis and add my 2 cents 
2014-03-27 00:40 <osmantis> Bug #7016:04 Object loses name, owner, creator properties, ability to be deleted, etc. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7016 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-27 00:47 <osmantis> Bug #7016:04 Object loses name, owner, creator properties, ability to be deleted, etc. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7016 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-27 00:47 <osmantis> Bug #7016:04 Object loses name, owner, creator properties, ability to be deleted, etc. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7016 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-27 00:48 <dahlia> OMG its working! :D
2014-03-27 00:48 <dahlia> wow that was easy
2014-03-27 00:49 <dahlia> 
ACTION calls zuck and demands $2b

2014-03-27 00:49 <lkalif> what is?
2014-03-27 00:49 <dahlia> my homemade rift
2014-03-27 00:49 <lkalif> how do you switch mode?
2014-03-27 00:50 <dahlia> 3d button on lower right corner
2014-03-27 00:55 <dahlia> this viewer is kinda buggy
2014-03-27 01:12 <dahlia> too bad my left eye is so borked, I can alomst see 3d
2014-03-27 02:00 <ssm2017> dahlia, home made rift ?
2014-03-27 02:00 <danbanner> lol dahlia
2014-03-27 02:00 <danbanner> awesome :0
2014-03-27 02:01 <danbanner> where can i buy a developer dahloculus rift
2014-03-27 02:03 <ssm2017> you just need to have $2b and send the payment to dahlia (you can send it to me and i will make the transfer)
2014-03-27 02:05 <danbanner> lemme find my checkbook
2014-03-27 02:06 <danbanner> do you take $OS?
2014-03-27 02:07 <ssm2017> $FB maybe ?
2014-03-27 02:07 <ssm2017> $fbcoins
2014-03-27 02:08 <ssm2017> somewhere, oculus rift was bought 400 000 000$ + 1.6$b of fbcoins
2014-03-27 02:10 <dahlia> sorry no FBSlugs accepted :P
2014-03-27 02:18 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-27 02:40 <danbanner> ping dahlia
2014-03-27 02:41 <danbanner> opensimulator.org down for you?
2014-03-27 02:41 <danbanner> stupid website
2014-03-27 02:42 <nebadon> ah dont touch it
2014-03-27 02:42 <nebadon> Melanie_T : ping
2014-03-27 02:44 <nebadon> hmm danbanner my skype disconnected and wont reconnect
2014-03-27 02:44 <danbanner> says you're online
2014-03-27 02:45 <danbanner> lol
2014-03-27 02:47 <velus> hey all
2014-03-27 02:53 <dahlia> danbanner: ya down for me but Melanie_T wanted to try to debug it so I dont want to kick it yet
2014-03-27 02:53 <danbanner> yup
2014-03-27 03:10 -!- Wanderer_42(~kvirc@dslb-084-060-180-157.pools.arcor-ip.net) has left #opensim-dev
2014-03-27 03:26 <nebadon> I know the second i restart the server Melanie_T will show up
2014-03-27 03:26 <nebadon> lol
2014-03-27 03:27 <danbanner> send her a pic http://i.imgur.com/l7L3W1O.png
2014-03-27 03:27 <danbanner> ;p
2014-03-27 03:27 <nebadon> lol
2014-03-27 03:57 <LiruCookies> Does that blend in on firefox?
2014-03-27 05:02 <dahlia> guess I'm a little late to the game lol http://www.roadtovr.com/build-your-own-diy-oculus-rift-guide/
2014-03-27 05:03 <dahlia> at least mine is wireless tho :P
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2014-03-27 14:02 <osmantis> Bug #7077:04 New warning and error messages thrown on every login and logout as of r/24531 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7077 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-27 14:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #3432 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-27 14:05 <osmantis> Bug #7038:04 Unwearing mesh attachments very slow and generates [SynchronousObjectRequester] message IF mesh contains a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7038 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-27 14:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3432: SUCCESS in 7 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3432/
2014-03-27 14:08 <osjenkins> orenh: Log errors in MakeRequest() as INFO, not ERROR. Some communications problems are benign (e.g., can't send Friend status update to a region that is down), so don't log them as ERROR so soon. We rethrow the exception, so the caller can still decide to log the error as an ERROR.
2014-03-27 14:15 <osmantis> Bug #7038:04 Unwearing mesh attachments very slow and generates [SynchronousObjectRequester] message IF mesh contains a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7038 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-27 14:17 <osmantis> Bug #7038:04 Unwearing mesh attachments very slow and generates [SynchronousObjectRequester] message IF mesh contains a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7038 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-27 14:24 <osmantis> Bug #7038:04 Unwearing mesh attachments very slow and generates [SynchronousObjectRequester] message IF mesh contains a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7038 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-27 14:30 <osmantis> Bug #7038:04 Unwearing mesh attachments very slow and generates [SynchronousObjectRequester] message IF mesh contains a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7038 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-27 14:44 <osmantis> Bug #7080:04 Avatar outside root region on mega region creates a flashing screen and avatar get shoot into sky or seems to have some burry ef 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7080 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-27 14:47 <osmantis> Bug #7080:04 Avatar outside root region on mega region creates a flashing screen and avatar get shoot into sky or seems to have some burry ef 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7080 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-03-27 14:48 <osmantis> Bug #7038:04 Unwearing mesh attachments very slow and generates [SynchronousObjectRequester] message IF mesh contains a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7038 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-27 14:49 <osmantis> Bug #7080:04 Avatar outside root region on mega region creates a flashing screen and avatar get shoot into sky or seems to have some burry ef 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7080 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-03-27 14:53 <osmantis> Bug #7008:04 Varregion Terrain very slow to load when teleporting in. Much slower than same exact oars loaded on a mega region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7008 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-27 15:32 <nebadon> anyone know why I would be seeing this when starting up a region
2014-03-27 15:32 <nebadon> 08:29:31 - [REST CLIENT]: Resource not found (404)
2014-03-27 15:32 <nebadon> I just upgraded to master git
2014-03-27 15:39 <Plugh> 404 sounds like a webserver error.
2014-03-27 15:39 <Plugh> ie. page not found.
2014-03-27 15:40 <nebadon> I dont have Rest Client enabled
2014-03-27 15:40 <nebadon> never used it before
2014-03-27 15:40 <nebadon> I dont see any mention of it anywhere in the ini files
2014-03-27 15:40 <osmantis> Bug #7038:04 Unwearing mesh attachments very slow and generates [SynchronousObjectRequester] message IF mesh contains a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7038 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-27 15:41 <orenh> Regarding the problem where mesh assets are uploaded in full when an object is detached ( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7038 ):
2014-03-27 15:41 <orenh> This happens because the entire mesh is serialized inside the SceneObjectGroup, in the field "SculptData"
2014-03-27 15:42 <orenh> I'm pretty sure we just shouldn't serialize it
2014-03-27 15:42 <orenh> Does anyone have any objections? Comments?
2014-03-27 15:42 <orenh> Is there any scenario where OpenSim wouldn't be able to load the mesh asset separately, using its UUID?
2014-03-27 15:43 <Plugh> Only thoughts I had was  that it would be better if there was a way to separate the object asset data from the object contents. Only the changed contents or script state would need to be (re-)saved if there were changes.
2014-03-27 15:43 <orenh> The SculptData can't change. It's a complete copy of the asset, and assets are immutable.
2014-03-27 15:45 <Plugh> That just makes me think this is another way the asset table can get filled up with dead data.
2014-03-27 15:48 <H-H-H> am i going mad or is there a setting to change the timezone the grid uses ?
2014-03-27 15:48 <H-H-H> or do i need to change it on the host system
2014-03-27 15:48 <Plugh> I set it on the host system.
2014-03-27 15:49 <nebadon> BlueWall : ping
2014-03-27 15:49 <orenh> the asset is already in the assets table
2014-03-27 15:50 <orenh> and another thing: I don't think we should DE-serialize this field either
2014-03-27 15:50 <BlueWall> Hi nebadon
2014-03-27 15:50 <orenh> that just stores a copy of the mesh in memory, which is wasteful
2014-03-27 15:50 <orenh> the only time the mesh asset needs to be loaded by OpenSim is for creating a physics mesh
2014-03-27 15:50 <orenh> and that's already handled separately
2014-03-27 15:50 <nebadon> hey BlueWall
2014-03-27 15:50 <osmantis> Bug #7038:04 Unwearing mesh attachments very slow and generates [SynchronousObjectRequester] message IF mesh contains a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7038 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-27 15:50 <nebadon> I am trying to setup core profiles on robust
2014-03-27 15:50 <BlueWall> what's up?
2014-03-27 15:50 <BlueWall> ok
2014-03-27 15:50 <nebadon> and I uncommented everything but when i start robust i get this
2014-03-27 15:50 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/mDUECzMj
2014-03-27 15:50 <nebadon> not sure what im doing wrong
2014-03-27 15:51 <nebadon> is that database problem?
2014-03-27 15:51 <BlueWall> looks like it
2014-03-27 15:51 <nebadon> i dont get it
2014-03-27 15:51 <BlueWall> are you creating a separate one?
2014-03-27 15:51 <nebadon> no
2014-03-27 15:51 <nebadon> do i have to?
2014-03-27 15:52 <BlueWall> nope, it should use your current one if you aren't using a separate one.
2014-03-27 15:52 <nebadon> i dont see any profile tables
2014-03-27 15:52 <nebadon> what are the table names supposed to be?
2014-03-27 15:53 <BlueWall> 1 sec
2014-03-27 15:53 <Plugh> Which files did you change to switch to core profile?
2014-03-27 15:54 <nebadon> so far Im only on Robust.ini
2014-03-27 15:54 <nebadon> trying to get robust to start up
2014-03-27 15:54 <nebadon> I just upgraded grid from 0.7.6 to master git
2014-03-27 15:54 <nebadon> added in the missing profile stuff, uncommented it etc..
2014-03-27 15:54 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-03-27 15:54 <nebadon> start it up and this is what I got
2014-03-27 15:54 <nebadon> wonder if its something because of divas wifi
2014-03-27 15:55 <nebadon> maybe its trying to user her mysql
2014-03-27 15:55 <nebadon> hmm
2014-03-27 15:55 <BlueWall> yes
2014-03-27 15:55 <Plugh> H-H-H: There is a timezone setting in Robust.ini, btw.
2014-03-27 15:56 <BlueWall> that is it.
2014-03-27 15:56 <nebadon> so how do I fix that?
2014-03-27 15:56 <BlueWall> you would need to build the diva distro yourself
2014-03-27 15:56 <BlueWall> I think that will do it
2014-03-27 15:57 <nebadon> it wont compile on master I dont think
2014-03-27 15:57 <nebadon> sigh
2014-03-27 15:57 <H-H-H> yeah thanks Plugh i just found and changed it :)
2014-03-27 15:57 <Plugh> Bah... can't find name space. Am I missing an assembly reference?  Those messages are a pain. Useful to someone more used to C# than I am.
2014-03-27 15:57 <BlueWall> she replaces the opensim database stuff in her own dll fro some reason
2014-03-27 15:57 <BlueWall> I think if it will build on master, you can get it to work.
2014-03-27 15:58 <nebadon> shouldnt I just be able to specify the original mysql connector for this module?
2014-03-27 15:58 <nebadon> Groups does
2014-03-27 15:58 <nebadon> i just tried adding this in the 
2014-03-27 15:58 <nebadon> 	StorageProvider = "OpenSim.Data.MySQL.dll"
2014-03-27 15:58 <nebadon> to the [UserProfilesService]
2014-03-27 15:59 <nebadon> and its still failing
2014-03-27 15:59 <nebadon> Groups works fine
2014-03-27 15:59 <BlueWall> 1 sec
2014-03-27 16:01 <BlueWall> did you add the ConnectionString in the [UserProfilesService]
2014-03-27 16:01 <nebadon> i tried
2014-03-27 16:01 <nebadon> same thing
2014-03-27 16:02 <nebadon> just removed it because it made no difference
2014-03-27 16:02 <BlueWall> is something breaking when building that?
2014-03-27 16:02 <nebadon> what do you mean?
2014-03-27 16:02 <nebadon> it compiled fine without error
2014-03-27 16:02 <BlueWall> the diva distro
2014-03-27 16:02 <nebadon> its not diva distro
2014-03-27 16:02 <nebadon> its master git
2014-03-27 16:03 <nebadon> with her binary wifi dropped in
2014-03-27 16:03 <nebadon> usually her code doesnt compile against master
2014-03-27 16:03 <nebadon> i would be shocked if it actually did
2014-03-27 16:04 <osmantis> Bug #7038:04 Unwearing mesh attachments very slow and generates [SynchronousObjectRequester] message IF mesh contains a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7038 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-27 16:04 <osmantis> Bug #7038:04 Unwearing mesh attachments very slow and generates [SynchronousObjectRequester] message IF mesh contains a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7038 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-03-27 16:04 <BlueWall> diff the OpenSim.Data.MySQL.dll in that against one in a clean build of master
2014-03-27 16:05 <nebadon> this is a clean build of master
2014-03-27 16:05 <nebadon> her DLL is named different
2014-03-27 16:05 <nebadon> I am not replacing the core mysql connector I am using the one that is currently in git master
2014-03-27 16:06 <nebadon> i literally just cloned and built 20 minutes ago
2014-03-27 16:06 <BlueWall> ok, hers doesn't replace that?
2014-03-27 16:06 <nebadon> no
2014-03-27 16:06 <nebadon> hers has Diva in the name
2014-03-27 16:07 <nebadon>     StorageProvider = "Diva.Data.MySQL.dll"
2014-03-27 16:07 <nebadon> so odd thats why I am confused
2014-03-27 16:07 <BlueWall> ok, maybe the module defaults to the main storage provider
2014-03-27 16:07 <nebadon> i should be able to specify the original MySQL dll in the [UserProfilesService] and it should work
2014-03-27 16:07 <nebadon> ya
2014-03-27 16:07 <nebadon> that is what I am thinking
2014-03-27 16:07 <BlueWall> let me look in there real quick
2014-03-27 16:07 <nebadon> cause groups is working as it should
2014-03-27 16:08 <nebadon> at OSCC i used osprofile
2014-03-27 16:08 <H-H-H> is it maybe a config issue where some config is over riding the one you set ?
2014-03-27 16:08 <nebadon> this is really first time im using core profiles
2014-03-27 16:08 <BlueWall> did you add a different StorageProvider setting for the groups module?
2014-03-27 16:08 <nebadon> its already set that way by default BlueWall
2014-03-27 16:08 <nebadon> I think
2014-03-27 16:09 <nebadon> let me verify that
2014-03-27 16:09 <nebadon> but yes I am
2014-03-27 16:09 <nebadon> ok no its not that way by default, but yes I am setting it
2014-03-27 16:09 <osmantis> Bug #7038:04 Unwearing mesh attachments very slow and generates [SynchronousObjectRequester] message IF mesh contains a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7038 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-27 16:09 <nebadon> [Groups]
2014-03-27 16:09 <nebadon> 	StorageProvider = "OpenSim.Data.MySQL.dll"
2014-03-27 16:09 <BlueWall> ok, let me go dumpster diving for a min.
2014-03-27 16:09 <nebadon> thanks man
2014-03-27 16:09 <nebadon> appreciate it
2014-03-27 16:15 <BlueWall> what do you have in [DatabaseService] for the StorageProvider?
2014-03-27 16:15 <nebadon> divas
2014-03-27 16:15 <nebadon> have to for wifi
2014-03-27 16:15 <BlueWall> ok
2014-03-27 16:15 <nebadon> so its hard coded to that?
2014-03-27 16:15 <BlueWall> I'll fix it
2014-03-27 16:15 <nebadon> awesome thanks man you rock
2014-03-27 16:16 <nebadon> im setting up new Avacon grid
2014-03-27 16:16 <BlueWall> cool
2014-03-27 16:23 <osmantis> Bug #7038:04 Unwearing mesh attachments very slow and generates [SynchronousObjectRequester] message IF mesh contains a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7038 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006987.
2014-03-27 16:23 <osmantis> Bug #6987:04 Very high process memory consumption from mesh attachments (and mesh in general) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6987 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007038.
2014-03-27 16:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #3433 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-27 16:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3433: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3433/
2014-03-27 16:27 <osjenkins> orenh: Fixed a case where logging an HTTP response failed because the stream was non-seekable
2014-03-27 16:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #3434 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-27 17:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3434: SUCCESS in 3 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3434/
2014-03-27 17:03 <osjenkins> * bluewall: Move from UserProfileModule for general availability
2014-03-27 17:03 <osjenkins> * bluewall: Move JsonRpc request code out for general availability
2014-03-27 17:03 <osjenkins> * bluewall: Add the UserProfiles local service module to non-HG Standalone configuration.
2014-03-27 17:03 <osjenkins> * bluewall: Sync code that has moved in development branch with changes in master
2014-03-27 17:03 <osjenkins> * bluewall: Fix issue with user picks creation. The snapshot id is UUID.Zero in new parcels.
2014-03-27 17:03 <osjenkins> * bluewall: Add support for specifying non-default StorageProvider
2014-03-27 17:04 <nebadon> nice
2014-03-27 17:04 <BlueWall> let me know how it goes.
2014-03-27 17:04 <Melanie_T> nebadon: did you see my skype?
2014-03-27 17:04 <Melanie_T> found the culprit ont he mysql
2014-03-27 17:04 <nebadon> I did, thanks a bunch
2014-03-27 17:04 <nebadon> so glad to be done with that nonsense
2014-03-27 17:04 <Melanie_T> :)
2014-03-27 17:05 <nebadon> who the hell does mysql dumps with php
2014-03-27 17:05 <nebadon> pfft
2014-03-27 17:05 <Melanie_T> sdague
2014-03-27 17:05 <nebadon> wierdo
2014-03-27 17:05 <Melanie_T> ibm. go figure ;)
2014-03-27 17:05 <nebadon> haha
2014-03-27 17:05 <BlueWall> not perl?
2014-03-27 17:05 <BlueWall> lol
2014-03-27 17:05 <Melanie_T> no. that'd be intel :P
2014-03-27 17:05 <BlueWall> ohhh, right :)
2014-03-27 17:11 <lkalif> microsoft holding press conference
2014-03-27 17:11 <nebadon> hmm
2014-03-27 17:11 <nebadon> BlueWall its still doing same thing
2014-03-27 17:11 <nebadon> what the heck
2014-03-27 17:12 <BlueWall> ok, hang on
2014-03-27 17:12 <lkalif> this is one where I predicted they announc buying xamarin
2014-03-27 17:12 <nebadon> heh shh I cant take anymore bad news this week
2014-03-27 17:12 <nebadon> lol
2014-03-27 17:13 <lkalif> i sort of hope they do
2014-03-27 17:13 <lkalif> http://live.twit.tv/
2014-03-27 17:13 <nebadon> I guess its good and bad
2014-03-27 17:13 <nebadon> I could see some linux distros pulling mono from their repositories if that happens though
2014-03-27 17:13 <nebadon> like Debien
2014-03-27 17:14 <nebadon> and maybe Centos
2014-03-27 17:14 <Melanie_T> i don't know why they should do that. mono is properly licensed
2014-03-27 17:14 <nebadon> ya its hard to say, some people are just MS haters
2014-03-27 17:14 <Melanie_T> the xamarin bid pertains mostly to monotouch and the mobile frameworks
2014-03-27 17:14 <Melanie_T> that's what MS want
2014-03-27 17:14 <nebadon> hopefully not though, its always a possibility with microsoft encroaching into linux land
2014-03-27 17:15 <Melanie_T> what i hear is that MS will drop mobile windows 8
2014-03-27 17:15 <lkalif> microsoft can afford to make dev tools free
2014-03-27 17:15 <Melanie_T> they apparentlywant to port the metro shell to android and use an android kernel
2014-03-27 17:15 <nebadon> ya realistically it wouldnt effect me at all though
2014-03-27 17:15 <lkalif> so we might get mono android and mono touch for free if ms buys them
2014-03-27 17:15 <Melanie_T> as not enough apps are made for windows phone
2014-03-27 17:15 <nebadon> i know opensuse would never drop mono 
2014-03-27 17:16 <nebadon> suse has and always will be one of microsofts pet projects lol
2014-03-27 17:16 <Melanie_T> well, they have to be someone's pet project
2014-03-27 17:16 <Melanie_T> no one talks abut novell anymore
2014-03-27 17:17 <nebadon> ya Attachmate owns suse now
2014-03-27 17:17 <lkalif> they announced office for iPad
2014-03-27 17:17 <nebadon> ah ya i heard about office for ipad weeks ago though
2014-03-27 17:17 <nebadon> thats hardly an announcement
2014-03-27 17:17 <lkalif> only 3 years too late :P
2014-03-27 17:17 <nebadon> is that all they announced?
2014-03-27 17:17 <nebadon> talk about anticlimactic
2014-03-27 17:17 <lkalif> it's in progress
2014-03-27 17:17 <nebadon> ah ok
2014-03-27 17:17 <lkalif> http://live.twit.tv/
2014-03-27 17:18 <H-H-H> yeah she is really going nuts about office on the ipad lol
2014-03-27 17:18 <Melanie_T> anyway, if microsoft really does do it 
2014-03-27 17:18 <Melanie_T> all the above
2014-03-27 17:18 <nebadon> because using office without being able to multitask is so awesome
2014-03-27 17:18 <Melanie_T> then they may make the android kit free
2014-03-27 17:19 <nebadon> that would be cool
2014-03-27 17:21 <nebadon> hah laser pointer is cool
2014-03-27 17:21 <nebadon> neat idea
2014-03-27 17:24 <Plugh> lkalif: That presenter looks like they are almost a biker chick.
2014-03-27 17:25 <lkalif> on cocain :P
2014-03-27 17:27 <Plugh> With running side commentary by someone else.
2014-03-27 17:27 <nebadon> ya the NFL style commentary is great
2014-03-27 17:27 <nebadon> need madden 
2014-03-27 17:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #3435 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-27 17:28 <BlueWall> nebadon, that shoudl fix it
2014-03-27 17:29 <nebadon> k 1 sec
2014-03-27 17:30 <Plugh> ?? Melanie_T said "We do use a C# parser/compiler. We can't really change that compiler's semantics. not with reeasonable effort, anyway." in mantis 2559 to explain(?) why int a=1; int b=a; and/or list c = [a,b]; isn't supported.
2014-03-27 17:31 <BlueWall> 
ACTION predicts huge rise in demand for security experts

2014-03-27 17:32 <Plugh> MS Office is a beautiful application??
2014-03-27 17:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3435: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3435/
2014-03-27 17:32 <osjenkins> bluewall: Fix to local StorageProvider override
2014-03-27 17:34 <Plugh> I did a compile of some sample C# code that did the equivalent of the LSL code and it compiled without error so I don't see a reason to say it is not going to be supported in OpenSim.
2014-03-27 17:37 <lkalif> Yeah, this is Twit feed, not direct from MS. I like their snarky commentary on stuff :P
2014-03-27 17:37 <nebadon> same thing BlueWall hrmmm
2014-03-27 17:37 <nebadon> the stage feels so lazy
2014-03-27 17:37 <nebadon> lol
2014-03-27 17:37 <nebadon> compared to a Google or Apple event
2014-03-27 17:37 <nebadon> this feels so lame
2014-03-27 17:37 <lkalif> this is new MS CEO
2014-03-27 17:37 <nebadon> it looks like they are in an IKEA store
2014-03-27 17:37 <nebadon> like its a Microsoft Flash Mob press conference at Ikea
2014-03-27 17:37 <nebadon> lol
2014-03-27 17:37 <lkalif> lol
2014-03-27 17:37 <nebadon> BlueWall as a test im going to set the master MySQL dll back to core version to verify this is actually the problem
2014-03-27 17:37 <nebadon> 1 sec
2014-03-27 17:37 <nebadon> yep it works now
2014-03-27 17:37 <nebadon> so something is not right still
2014-03-27 17:37 <nebadon> its still not loading the mysql connector specified in that section, what the heck
2014-03-27 17:37 <nebadon> and i have trippled checked im definitely on master
2014-03-27 17:38 <nebadon> any clue BlueWall?
2014-03-27 17:38 <BlueWall> 1 sec
2014-03-27 17:38 <nebadon> ok
2014-03-27 17:39 <Plugh> Great innovations like what they did to windows in version 8?  :P
2014-03-27 17:39 <nebadon> man im so glad Steve Ballmer is gone
2014-03-27 17:39 <nebadon> though its going to take a lot for me to have any respect for Microsoft again anytime soon
2014-03-27 17:40 <nebadon> I am so happy to have opensuse on my new laptop now
2014-03-27 17:40 <nebadon> so much better than Windows 8
2014-03-27 17:40 <Plugh> nebadon: Did you wipe out WIndows from the machine and put on OpenSuse or were you able to get it with suse alreadt on it?
2014-03-27 17:41 <Melanie_T> Plugh: the issue is that LSL collates right to left but evaluates left to right, while C# collates and evaluated left to right
2014-03-27 17:41 <lkalif> hmm, nothing about xamarin
2014-03-27 17:41 <H-H-H> ok whats the console command for opensim to set the log level ?
2014-03-27 17:41 <Melanie_T> a preprocessor could reverse the expressions but that would then result in collating right to left but also evaluating right to left - not good
2014-03-27 17:42 <nebadon> i dual booted Plugh
2014-03-27 17:42 <Melanie_T> so short of writing out own expression evaluator, that aspect can't be changed
2014-03-27 17:42 <nebadon> i bought a USB3 SSD drive and installed opensuse onto it
2014-03-27 17:42 <nebadon> still have Windows 8.1 on internal SSDs
2014-03-27 17:42 <Plugh> Melanie_T: I'm not sure what you are referring to by collation. 
2014-03-27 17:43 <Plugh> and why would that prevent a simple a=1; b=a; assignment?
2014-03-27 17:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #3436 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-27 17:43 <nebadon> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313456
2014-03-27 17:43 <Plugh> It breaks a lot of LSL scripts.
2014-03-27 17:43 <Melanie_T> Plugh: simple. any expression is made up frm terms. expression evaluation is recursive, each level of recursion solves one level or precedence
2014-03-27 17:44 <BlueWall> nebadon
2014-03-27 17:44 <Melanie_T> let's look at only one level
2014-03-27 17:44 <nebadon> Woooohooo
2014-03-27 17:44 <Melanie_T> so you have lval = rval op rval
2014-03-27 17:44 <nebadon> you got it BlueWall
2014-03-27 17:44 <Plugh> Melanie_T: yes. I've dealt with parsers before.
2014-03-27 17:44 <nebadon> thanks let me test now to make sure its actually working
2014-03-27 17:44 <BlueWall> ok
2014-03-27 17:44 <Melanie_T> in LSL, the rightmost rval is evaluated forst
2014-03-27 17:44 <ssm2017> H-H-H, "help users" --> set user level [<first> [<last> [<level>]]]
2014-03-27 17:44 <Melanie_T> then progressively the terms are evaluated going left until the first term is reached
2014-03-27 17:44 <nebadon> yay its working
2014-03-27 17:45 <BlueWall> \o/
2014-03-27 17:45 <nebadon> thanks a bunch BlueWall
2014-03-27 17:45 <ssm2017> sorry, i thought about 'login level"
2014-03-27 17:45 <Melanie_T> then, the operations are applied, but in left-to-right order
2014-03-27 17:45 <BlueWall> sure thing
2014-03-27 17:45 <Melanie_T> what this does it makes the side effects of the rightmost term happen before the side effects of the terms further left
2014-03-27 17:45 <Melanie_T> in c#, that is the other way around
2014-03-27 17:46 <H-H-H> thats isnt the one i mean ssm2017 , thanks for your reply though. I could have sworn there was a console command to set the level of msgs that arer reportyed in the console ie debug,warn etc etc
2014-03-27 17:46 <H-H-H> i know it can be changed in the exe.config but i thought there was a console command, maybe not
2014-03-27 17:46 <BlueWall> set log level <level> - Set the console logging level for this session.
2014-03-27 17:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3436: SUCCESS in 3 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3436/
2014-03-27 17:47 <osjenkins> bluewall: Profiles local StorageProvider fix, round 3
2014-03-27 17:47 <ssm2017> yes H-H-H i thought that you were speaking about 'login level'
2014-03-27 17:47 <H-H-H> ahh thanks BlueWall
2014-03-27 17:48 <H-H-H> any one playing with the npc module at all?
2014-03-27 17:49 <Plugh> 
ACTION wonders what idiot made it evaluate in opposite direction to pretty much every other programming language.

2014-03-27 17:50 <Plugh> Is this documented someone in an SL page somewhere? I read user comments saying it also evaluates all expressions where there are things like && and || which is also not normal.
2014-03-27 17:50 <Melanie_T> Plugh: that is correct. in LSL, || and && are non-short-cicuiting
2014-03-27 17:50 <Melanie_T> the side effects of all rvalues will occur
2014-03-27 17:50 <Melanie_T> and, also in rtl order
2014-03-27 17:50 <H-H-H> ive found that if you use one of those notecard driven npc manager thingys that fires osNpcMoveTo on a timer with data from a line of a notecard it spams the region console with debug from the grid service connector as it requests GetRegionByPosition every time it moves
2014-03-27 17:51 <Plugh> Trust someone at LL do to something bizarre.
2014-03-27 17:51 <Plugh> s/do to/to do/
2014-03-27 17:51 <Melanie_T> Plugh: well it's actually clear what they did
2014-03-27 17:51 <Melanie_T> they take each term, right to left, and eval it, then push it onto an arithmetic stack
2014-03-27 17:51 <Plugh> I've always written LSL assuming standard execution and have never had an issue.
2014-03-27 17:51 <H-H-H> if the default console log level is used
2014-03-27 17:51 <Melanie_T> then they pop each pair and apply the op
2014-03-27 17:51 <Melanie_T> which results in rtl collation and ltr execution
2014-03-27 17:52 <Melanie_T> Plugh: lsl has ltr execution
2014-03-27 17:52 <Melanie_T> it just has rtl collation
2014-03-27 17:52 <Melanie_T> otherwise, non-commutative ops like division would bomb
2014-03-27 17:52 <Melanie_T> not to mention quat math
2014-03-27 17:54 <Dev_Random> cory did mention once that he wrote the original LSL compiler "one night"
2014-03-27 17:55 <Plugh> Melanie_T: I think I would have to see examples to under stand how the collation is separate from evaluation. I'm not getting that right now.
2014-03-27 17:56 <Plugh> Ages ago I wrote a program to evaluate simple expressions and I did it left to right. Terms and operations were pushed on to stacks during parsing.
2014-03-27 17:57 <Plugh> hm... I need to test a=1; b=a; inside a function and see if that is accepted.
2014-03-27 17:58 <Plugh> If the simple assignment case is accepted inside a function it should be accepted globally.
2014-03-27 17:58 <nebadon> sweet xbakes working too
2014-03-27 17:59 <Melanie_T> Plugh: 
2014-03-27 17:59 <Melanie_T> collation is to eval each rvalue
2014-03-27 18:00 <Melanie_T> evaluation of the expression is to do the ops of that level
2014-03-27 18:00 <Melanie_T> simple example
2014-03-27 18:00 <Melanie_T> lval = rval1 + rval2 * rval3
2014-03-27 18:00 <Plugh> Collation is about the expressions being separated by && and || ? If so, then yes I can see that. For basic math stuff I don't.
2014-03-27 18:00 <Melanie_T> this expression has 2 precedence levels
2014-03-27 18:00 <Plugh> 
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2014-03-27 18:00 <Melanie_T> the first precedence level is the mult
2014-03-27 18:01 <Melanie_T> so, read that as
2014-03-27 18:01 <Melanie_T> lval = rval1 + (rval2 * rval3)
2014-03-27 18:01 <Plugh> of course.
2014-03-27 18:01 <Melanie_T> rval3 is evaluated and pushed onto the eval stack, thent he op "*" is pushed
2014-03-27 18:01 <Melanie_T> then rval2 is evaluated and pushed
2014-03-27 18:02 <Melanie_T> then rval2 is popped, op "*" is popped and rval3 is popped, rval2 * rval3 is evaluated (this being the rval of the next level) and pushed
2014-03-27 18:02 <Melanie_T> op "+" is pushed
2014-03-27 18:02 <Melanie_T> then rval1 is evaluated and pushed
2014-03-27 18:03 <Melanie_T> then rval1 is pooed, folloed by "+" and the result of the second term, that is evaluated and the result pushed
2014-03-27 18:03 <Melanie_T> it's actaully very efficient
2014-03-27 18:03 <Melanie_T> just counterintuitive
2014-03-27 18:05 <Plugh> What you described is typical except for pushing starting from the right. 
2014-03-27 18:05 <Melanie_T> yes
2014-03-27 18:05 <Melanie_T> but pushing from the right means the stuff comes off the stack in the proper order
2014-03-27 18:05 <Melanie_T> no fifo is needed
2014-03-27 18:05 <Plugh> I've never known that LSL did execution in anything other than typical order from any other language.
2014-03-27 18:05 <Melanie_T> no xchg op
2014-03-27 18:06 <Melanie_T> and because of this collation order, the || and && cannot short-circuit
2014-03-27 18:06 <Melanie_T> so that was sacrificed on the altar of expression evaluation efficiency
2014-03-27 18:06 <Melanie_T> and we can't duplicate this unless we write our own evaluator
2014-03-27 18:06 <Melanie_T> since c# lachs the means to emulate it
2014-03-27 18:07 <Melanie_T> lacks*
2014-03-27 18:08 <Plugh> It would complicate the code generator to do that and would require temporary variables to have each part of the expression evaluated without short-circuiting.
2014-03-27 18:09 <Plugh> I'll have to change some of my scripts now that I know this to use nested if's if I want to "short-circuit" things and only evaluate what is needed.
2014-03-27 18:10 <Melanie_T> yes
2014-03-27 18:11 <Plugh> How does this relate to why we can't do simple integer a=1; integer b=a; simple initialization? I'm not trying to change evaluation order. You can do that in C#,
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2014-03-27 18:11 <Plugh> I'm not trying to put expressions on the right side of the assignment.
2014-03-27 18:12 <Melanie_T> because c# initializers must be constant....
2014-03-27 18:12 <Plugh> I made a simple test program and mono develop compiled it without complaint.
2014-03-27 18:12 <Melanie_T> i think these restrictions apply to the global scope
2014-03-27 18:13 <Melanie_T> not sure anymore, it's been too logn
2014-03-27 18:13 <Plugh> That is what I did.
2014-03-27 18:14 <Plugh> This is the C# code I fed to Mono Develop which compiled afaict. -> http://pastebin.com/WSwk8hdk
2014-03-27 18:15 <Melanie_T> yes but that is pure c#
2014-03-27 18:15 <Melanie_T> lsl lists are NOT c# "List"
2014-03-27 18:16 <Plugh> ok, but lines 4 and 5 are one of the things that you can do in LSL scripts over in SL but not in OpenSim yet C# allows it. It should not be hard to generate that syntax for C#.
2014-03-27 18:17 <Melanie_T> i don't see a real reason for that not to work in opensim
2014-03-27 18:17 <Plugh> ok. It would help some scripts.
2014-03-27 18:17 <Melanie_T> i know avination had such a bug at some point
2014-03-27 18:18 <Melanie_T> but that has been fixed years ago
2014-03-27 18:18 <Melanie_T> but opensim, i do't know if that was ever broken, or is broken now. i can't see why it would be
2014-03-27 18:18 <Plugh> Melanie_T: As a scripter I often run in to this global initialization issue.
2014-03-27 18:20 <Plugh> I'll check it again. The list initialization has some brokenness when it comes to using a list containing variable names. I think it will accept constants to initialize a list var in a global context.
2014-03-27 18:21 <Plugh> I will have to make some test scripts and compare them in standard OS and in Avination to see how they compare.
2014-03-27 18:23 <Plugh> I can't try changing anything in the compiler yet as I can't build the lsl2cs package.
2014-03-27 18:24 <Plugh> Melanie_T: You mentioned you tried to have some "friendly error" code in place that (if I understood correctly) was to help report the real line number in an LSL script where an error was detected but the code kept getting removed.
2014-03-27 18:24 <Melanie_T> removed or broken
2014-03-27 18:25 <Plugh> Melanie_T: Can you point me to where that code had been added and removed? Do you remember the reasons being given as to why the code was removed? I'd like to do some digging in to that. 
2014-03-27 18:25 <Melanie_T> sometimes one, sometimes the other
2014-03-27 18:25 <Plugh> Not having proper line number reporting is a major PITA for me.
2014-03-27 18:25 <Melanie_T> even the places don't exist anymore :(
2014-03-27 18:25 <Melanie_T> but the compiler still creates the line map
2014-03-27 18:26 <Plugh> The line map is being created but not used? Hm...
2014-03-27 18:28 <Plugh> I can't get lsl2cs to build so I can't modify the compiler to try things out. I get the old messages about am I missing a directive or assembly reference when I build using the Makefile.
2014-03-27 18:28 <Plugh> Can't find log4net, Framework, or IScriptModuleComms.
2014-03-27 18:32 <Plugh> Melanie_T: If you have an idea how far back I'd have to dig to find that friendly error stuff I would be interested to see the type of change and whether that info might be useful to know how to get proper reporting of line numbers in git master.
2014-03-27 18:50 <Plugh> General C# question. When you say "using blah;" when/where does it look for "blah"?
2014-03-27 18:51 <BlueWall> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms682586(v=vs.85).aspx
2014-03-27 18:52 <BlueWall> I think with our code it is ./ gac or specified directory (scripts)
2014-03-27 18:54 <Plugh> The lsl2cs code is compiled via Makefile using gmcs. I see no prebuild file or solutions file.
2014-03-27 18:54 <Plugh> I'm also in Linux and not Windows.
2014-03-27 18:55 <BlueWall> what are you building with?
2014-03-27 18:56 <Plugh> whatever gmcs is using.
2014-03-27 18:56 <Plugh> Appears to be a mono C# compiler.
2014-03-27 18:57 <BlueWall> you may need to manually copy the requested dll into the directory your are building in
2014-03-27 18:57 <Plugh> I tried that. Still says log4net can't be found.
2014-03-27 19:00 <BlueWall> q
2014-03-27 19:01 <Plugh> BlueWall: I'm trying to build lsl2cs stuff located in opensim-libs using the provided Makefile
2014-03-27 19:01 <BlueWall> see if putting the dll in the Tools dir works
2014-03-27 19:02 <Plugh> nope.
2014-03-27 19:08 <BlueWall> it builds Tools.dll
2014-03-27 19:08 <BlueWall> The CSCodeGenerator.cs and LSL2CSCodeTransformer.cs files are included here for
2014-03-27 19:08 <BlueWall> testing purposes.
2014-03-27 19:08 <BlueWall> << that is in the README
2014-03-27 19:09 <BlueWall> so, looks like Tools.dll is all we realy need to distribute from there.
2014-03-27 19:09 <Plugh> "gmcs" -debug+ -r:Tools.dll output.cs lsl.lexer.cs lsl.parser.cs CSCodeGenerator.cs LSL2CSCodeTransformer.cs CSReservedWords.cs
2014-03-27 19:09 <Plugh> That dies with complaints about three things it can't find.
2014-03-27 19:11 <BlueWall> that is trying to make the testing program output.exe ...
2014-03-27 19:11 <BlueWall> make Tools.dll works
2014-03-27 19:12 <Plugh> I want to experiment with possible changes to the LSL compiler. I thought that the first step would be to be able to use the compiler that is in opensim-libs.
2014-03-27 19:12 <Plugh> Generate test cases and see if it accepts them.
2014-03-27 19:25 <vegaslon> 
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2014-03-27 19:27 <BlueWall> Plugh, if you can find the dll, then add them on the output.exe target with -r:Tools.dll,log4net.dll, ...
2014-03-27 19:27 <Plugh> ok
2014-03-27 19:28 <BlueWall> I'm not sure where ICodeConverter is
2014-03-27 19:28 <Plugh> BlueWall: That worked. I just have to figure out what other two DLL files are needed.
2014-03-27 19:28 <BlueWall> OpenSim.Region.Framework.dll
2014-03-27 19:29 <BlueWall>  OpenSim / Region / ScriptEngine / Shared / CodeTools / ICodeConverter.cs
2014-03-27 19:30 <BlueWall> OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Shared.CodeTools.dll
2014-03-27 19:30 <Plugh> yeah. Just found that.
2014-03-27 19:31 <BlueWall> then it needs OpenMetaverse
2014-03-27 19:31 <Melanie_T> CSCodeGenerator.cs is the output file
2014-03-27 19:31 <Melanie_T> don't compile it
2014-03-27 19:31 <Melanie_T> there are two .cs output files
2014-03-27 19:31 <Plugh> Then it wants more stuff.
2014-03-27 19:32 <BlueWall> Melanie_T, all we use is Tools.dll?
2014-03-27 19:32 <Melanie_T> let me take a quick look
2014-03-27 19:32 <Melanie_T> i've built it before so my environment should be set up
2014-03-27 19:32 <Melanie_T> no
2014-03-27 19:32 <Plugh> I'm able to generate the lg.exe and pg.exe from CSTools
2014-03-27 19:32 <Melanie_T> Tools.dll is not important for opensim
2014-03-27 19:32 <BlueWall> hmm
2014-03-27 19:32 <Melanie_T> this stuff _generates_ two .cs files
2014-03-27 19:32 <Melanie_T> those are what we use
2014-03-27 19:32 <Plugh> I'm not after Tools.dll
2014-03-27 19:32 <Melanie_T> nothing more
2014-03-27 19:32 <BlueWall> ahhh
2014-03-27 19:33 <BlueWall> /home/opensim/src/opensim/bin/Tools.dll
2014-03-27 19:33 <BlueWall> we have that, so it's just dead weight?
2014-03-27 19:33 <BlueWall> maybe from the dne days?
2014-03-27 19:34 <Plugh> ok. I'm able to build lg.exe, pg.exe, and Tools.dll from the CSTools source tree referenced in the README located in lsl2cs.
2014-03-27 19:34 <Melanie_T> ok...
2014-03-27 19:35 <Melanie_T> CSCodeGenerator.cs, CSReservedWords.cs, LSL2CSCodeTransformer.cs just get copied to opensi
2014-03-27 19:35 <Melanie_T> they are edited in opensim-libs
2014-03-27 19:36 <Melanie_T> lsl.lexer lsl.parser are generated
2014-03-27 19:36 <Melanie_T> wait
2014-03-27 19:36 <Melanie_T> trying to remember
2014-03-27 19:36 <Melanie_T> no, those are the iput
2014-03-27 19:36 <Melanie_T> sirry for the confusion
2014-03-27 19:38 <Melanie_T> ok, it works for me
2014-03-27 19:38 <Melanie_T> until the last step
2014-03-27 19:38 <Melanie_T> that is just a test
2014-03-27 19:38 <Melanie_T> it's not needed
2014-03-27 19:38 <Melanie_T> the output.cs compile
2014-03-27 19:38 <Melanie_T> when it gets there, it's all done
2014-03-27 19:39 <Melanie_T> it goes to create the utility programs lg.exe and pg.exe, which correspond to lex and yacc
2014-03-27 19:39 <Melanie_T> these make lsl_lexer.cs from lsl.lexer
2014-03-27 19:39 <Melanie_T> and the same for the parser
2014-03-27 19:40 <Melanie_T> these two .cs files are cpied to opensim
2014-03-27 19:40 <Melanie_T> phew
2014-03-27 19:40 <Melanie_T> long time since i last did this
2014-03-27 19:40 <Melanie_T> if changes are made to the others, like CSCodeGenrator
2014-03-27 19:40 <Plugh> and, as is often the case, it isn't documented in the wiki (afaik).
2014-03-27 19:40 <Melanie_T> those changes also need to be copied to opensim
2014-03-27 19:41 <Plugh> I can't build the output.exe program.
2014-03-27 19:41 <Melanie_T> you're not supposed to
2014-03-27 19:41 <Melanie_T> it needs a lot of other stuff
2014-03-27 19:41 <Plugh> Then why is it in the Makefile?
2014-03-27 19:41 <Melanie_T> it's for testing this environment
2014-03-27 19:42 <Melanie_T> you need to set up an environment to do this
2014-03-27 19:42 <Plugh> which is what I want to do. I want to test changes.
2014-03-27 19:42 <BlueWall> Plugh, if you want to build it add this : -r:Tools.dll,/home/opensim/src/opensim/bin/log4net.dll,/home/opensim/src/opensim/bin/OpenSim.Region.Framework.dll,/home/opensim/src/opensim/bin/OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Shared.CodeTools.dll,/home/opensim/src/opensim/bin/OpenMetaverse.dll,/home/opensim/src/opensim/bin/OpenMetaverseTypes.dll
2014-03-27 19:42 <Melanie_T> then copy libopenmetaverse, log4net and IScriptModule from opensim
2014-03-27 19:42 <BlueWall> adjust the path to the dll
2014-03-27 19:42 <Plugh> Melanie_T: I did that but it wanted more stuff.
2014-03-27 19:42 <Melanie_T> you may need other dlls, too
2014-03-27 19:43 <Melanie_T> basically
2014-03-27 19:43 <Plugh> BlueWall: ok, ty. I'll grab those and dump them in to a bin dir to keep things clean.
2014-03-27 19:43 <Melanie_T> if you were to copy this all into bin/
2014-03-27 19:43 <Melanie_T> that should work
2014-03-27 19:43 <BlueWall> it needs OpenMetaverse and OpenMetaverse.Types
2014-03-27 19:43 <Plugh> ok. It will be easier to test things within opensim-libs first before I alter my local OpenSim instances.
2014-03-27 19:43 <BlueWall> the ./runtest.sh is looking for a tempfile command here
2014-03-27 19:48 <Plugh> ok, I got a bunch of messages about conflicts with imported type of same name but I now have an output.exe file.
2014-03-27 19:50 <BlueWall> if you want to make a test environment, then it would probably be easier to use the ./bin directory like Melanie_T said
2014-03-27 19:50 <Plugh> BlueWall, Melanie_T: ty. I can now build/generate the compiler files and can do tests.
2014-03-27 19:51 <BlueWall> the ./runtests.sh doesn't resolve the dll, so you'll need to figure that out for the mono cl
2014-03-27 19:51 <Plugh> I started doing that but it still needed more files. Now I know how to make it able to find what it wants.
2014-03-27 19:53 <BlueWall> hope it works for you, I would probably just build what is needed and put them in may opensim dev branch, build and test in-world.
2014-03-27 19:54 <Plugh> BlueWall: Right. Its just that for some initial testing its faster to do it outside a standalone where I have to wait for it to load the region, login, then get it to compile a script.
2014-03-27 19:59 <BlueWall> it has those test cases there too.
2014-03-27 20:06 <Plugh> Hm... seems some (most?) of the compiler stuff hasn't been updated since 2008. Since it was built on CSTools and latest CSTools was in 2009 there may be some other updates that can be put in place.
2014-03-27 20:13 <lkalif> Plugh: people are often confused about what "using" means in c#
2014-03-27 20:14 <lkalif> using has no influence on what assemblies are included in compilating
2014-03-27 20:14 <lkalif> "using" merely adds a namespace to the list of namespeces search when referencing symbols
2014-03-27 20:15 <BlueWall> but when compiling, it needs the -r to point to the dll to resolve them
2014-03-27 20:16 <lkalif> references determine what is "linked" if you want to think in C program way
2014-03-27 20:16 <lkalif> "using" has no influence on that whatsover
2014-03-27 20:17 <Dev_Random> are they searched in order?  e.g. if same namespace is available in multiple DLLs it uses first one specified?
2014-03-27 20:17 <dahlia> ya you can get rid of all "using" statements if you have fully qualified names
2014-03-27 20:17 <dahlia> but its not pretty
2014-03-27 20:17 <lkalif> using System.IO; will allow you to write File.ReadAllText("filename.txt"); instead of System.IO.File.ReadAllText("filename.txt");
2014-03-27 20:18 <lkalif> ^ that, nothing else
2014-03-27 20:18 <RiRa> anybody know this problem on 0.8 ? http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7080
2014-03-27 20:19 <lkalif> Dev_Random: the compiler will try to find the correct one based on type of arguments it takes and returns. If it cannot tell them apart, it's a compiler error.
2014-03-27 20:19 <dahlia> RiRa: nope. try another viewer?
2014-03-27 20:20 <Dev_Random> thanks lkalif.
2014-03-27 20:20 <vegaslon> RiRa: would think would need to use a newer robust with that version, alot of the location data is being pulled from the grid now
2014-03-27 20:20 <RiRa> hmm. dont believe its singularity. but its idea to try FS
2014-03-27 20:20 <RiRa> ok vegaslon. thats why i say that to
2014-03-27 20:24 <RiRa> let me try other viewer first.
2014-03-27 20:25 <vegaslon> looks exactly like what mega regions did before teleportation was fixed in them, like you are teleporting into a "blank region" that has no physics, etc.
2014-03-27 20:30 <RiRa> vegason, its still strange because someone else on that grid is running 0.8 mega to and not have the problem (anymore)
2014-03-27 20:30 <RiRa> sofar i know
2014-03-27 20:30 <Plugh> lkalif: I realize that 'using' doesn't affect what is included at compilation time but I know that it is an indicator of what you may need to use/reference when linking.
2014-03-27 20:30 <RiRa> ok viewer is not the problem. so only robust remains
2014-03-27 20:32 <Plugh> Next "big" project is to go through everything I've learned about LSL parsing and compilation in the last couple of days and put it all in the OS wiki.
2014-03-27 20:37 <lkalif> speaking if which
2014-03-27 20:37 <lkalif> Linden Lab has added a new capability that tells the viewer what to syntax highlight and what to show on the hovertips
2014-03-27 20:40 <lkalif> (for the LSL editor)
2014-03-27 20:40 <RiRa> i know the are working on it. not seen
2014-03-27 22:23 <H-H-H> hey guys dont know if this is something that can be fixed easy but if you use a ' character in say a prim,s description in the viewer it doesnt persist to the db , i had the same problem myself when reworking a php web frontend lol so i know why it happens and how much of a pia it was to solve for my php 
2014-03-27 22:25 <Plugh> First thought is that the string isn't being escaped before being used in a SQL query.
2014-03-27 22:25 <H-H-H> yeah 
2014-03-27 22:25 <Plugh> I'd be a bit surprised that something like that hasn't been caught before now.
2014-03-27 22:25 <H-H-H> i havent investigated it as im inworld doing some scripting
2014-03-27 22:26 <Plugh> 
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2014-03-27 22:26 <Plugh> I'm supposed to be doing some documentation but dinner is almost ready.
2014-03-27 22:26 <H-H-H> well im on current master with a near master of singu useing mysql and just saw it
2014-03-27 22:27 <danbanner> i have TONS of stuff with ' in the name
2014-03-27 22:27 <danbanner> some of it is years old
2014-03-27 22:27 <danbanner> and in description
2014-03-27 22:30 <danbanner> http://i.imgur.com/SH6t2YV.png
2014-03-27 22:31 <danbanner> thats on latest build and been like that across thousands of builds over many years
2014-03-27 22:32 <danbanner> maybe its stored another way in the db
2014-03-27 22:44 <Guest20641> hey where is the lsl parser itself stored which compiles scripts when they're edited in world, and the main interpreter ?
2014-03-27 23:14 <Thonneve> LuciusSir: Might be good to ask Melanie_T
2014-03-27 23:17 <dahlia> LuciusSir: not sure where the compiler is but the scripts run on the CLR
2014-03-27 23:19 <H-H-H> huh wierd i just made a new prim and used a ' in description and it stayed however i have one proim it wont stay with a ' in description lol 
2014-03-27 23:19 <H-H-H> must just be a wierd freaky scenario 
2014-03-27 23:21 <Plugh> LuciusSir: Interesting you should ask. Its something I was looking at.
2014-03-27 23:22 <Plugh> The compiler comes from opensim-libs which is based on a third party C# compiler tool.
2014-03-27 23:23 <Plugh> opensim-libs/trunk/managed/lsl2cs
2014-03-27 23:24 <H-H-H> just did a grid restart and the ' persists now thanks for your input guys
2014-03-27 23:36 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  me too, I'm trying to figure out that lsl assignment bug, traced it back to the c# compiler and the fact that the generated code violates syntax.
2014-03-27 23:37 <Plugh> LuciusSir: which assignment bug are you working on?
2014-03-27 23:37 <LuciusSir> Plugh: 5023
2014-03-27 23:37 <Plugh> 
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2014-03-27 23:38 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  Problem is there needs to be a rule to determine where in the object tree an assignment is being generated. In this case its a field initializer for the symbol table of the generated script object.
2014-03-27 23:38 <Plugh> That was the bug I saw earlier until I saw it was a dupe of one I reported that went another step beyond that. Yes, that is something I want to see fixed.
2014-03-27 23:39 <LuciusSir> LuciusSir:  er, not determine, but handle its value i mean. some way of saying "hey.. this isn't a local variable.. its global to the script, i need to transform this other value to a literal if i can or bomb if i can't'
2014-03-27 23:39 <Plugh> I've been able to compile the compiler stuff so I can run tests of the compiler without having to use an instance of OpenSim.
2014-03-27 23:39 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  I do like the way you guys handled a very tedious and annoying processing use a tree based solution.
2014-03-27 23:40 <Plugh> I have had nothing to do with the LSL parsing/compiling before now so nothing to do with me. :)
2014-03-27 23:41 <LuciusSir> Plugh: heh funny you should say that I'm sitting and tracing through a dead client session now heh.  I'm thinking we could use a console program to test script gen if there isn't already one, and by test i mean just have it set up so you can invoke the code for compilation offline and trace it through to the end.
2014-03-27 23:41 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  It could use a little documenation or a hacking guide :p Given its a pretty important part of the sl experience :P
2014-03-27 23:42 <LuciusSir> but anyway, I must be off to bed now so I can go into work at 10, and do physics homework and be expected not to notice the horrors of my ever repeating life :P
2014-03-27 23:42 <LuciusSir> nighty night plugs hehe
2014-03-27 23:42 <Plugh> I gathered a bunch of information about it between today and yesterday. I just need time to organize the information and put it in a wiki page.
2014-03-27 23:43 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  cool lemme know 
2014-03-27 23:43 <Plugh> Compiling outside of OpenSim is possible. Executing the code outside of it, not so much.
2014-03-28 00:00 <Plugh> Dang. CSTools comes with a(n old) .doc file that LibreOffice can't read.
2014-03-28 00:18 <H-H-H_> bah goto love network problems
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2014-03-28 04:56 <nebadon> interesting, microsoft offering free virtual machines for testing stuff
2014-03-28 04:57 <nebadon> http://modern.ie/en-us/virtualization-tools#downloads
2014-03-28 04:57 <nebadon> even for virtualbox on linux
2014-03-28 04:57 <nebadon> im trying one
2014-03-28 05:05 <Ken_S> nebadon, is it ok to use XBakes on OSG now?
2014-03-28 05:10 <Ken_S> If so what is the URL for it?
2014-03-28 05:13 <nebadon> no
2014-03-28 05:13 <nebadon> not yet
2014-03-28 05:13 <nebadon> i was setting it up on Avacon grid earlier
2014-03-28 05:13 <nebadon> brand new grid, so it was easier to setup there
2014-03-28 05:13 <nebadon> no nginx or anything
2014-03-28 05:13 <Ken_S> Yes, been running it on my test grid for a while, so just wondering
2014-03-28 05:13 <nebadon> it seems to work well there though
2014-03-28 05:14 <nebadon> i'll try to get it on osgrid soon, but I have been so crazy busy
2014-03-28 05:14 <nebadon> and Im leaving for sweden in about a week
2014-03-28 05:14 <Ken_S> Yes rl has to come first
2014-03-28 05:17 <Plugh> nebadon: Test virtualization by running a copy of Internet Explorer in a vm under Linux? Um... don't think so thanks.
2014-03-28 05:18 <nebadon> it looks like its just a 90 day trial of Windows
2014-03-28 05:18 <nebadon> but its fully functional
2014-03-28 05:19 <Plugh> Top of the page says download a virtual machine the just below that says -> 
2014-03-28 05:19 <Plugh> Test versions of IE using Virtual Machines that you download and manage in your own development environment.
2014-03-28 05:22 <Plugh> Perhaps they have some other meaning for IE.
2014-03-28 05:37 <Ken_S> Nebadon, do you know if it is possible to make a mega using var regions rather than normal sims?
2014-03-28 05:38 <nebadon> no idea
2014-03-28 05:39 <nebadon> I wouldnt think so, but maybe
2014-03-28 05:39 <nebadon> i remember someone talking about it but cant remember the results
2014-03-28 05:39 <Ken_S> Was thinking it might be interesting to use several managable sized vars in a mega to create a really large area
2014-03-28 05:40 <Ken_S> May give that a try tomorrow
2014-03-28 05:42 <Thonneve> Biggest sized vars... 4 of them as a mega
2014-03-28 05:42 <Thonneve> That would be insane
2014-03-28 05:43 <nebadon> i dunno
2014-03-28 05:43 <nebadon> its still 1 simulator
2014-03-28 05:43 <nebadon> so why not just make 1 big var
2014-03-28 05:43 <nebadon> it would be less threads
2014-03-28 05:43 <nebadon> doing mega-var is going to require more memory, more threads, more TCP/UDP comms
2014-03-28 05:44 <nebadon> it really defeats the purpose
2014-03-28 05:44 <Ken_S> Going above 4096x4096 even flat terrain is a real problem.
2014-03-28 05:45 <nebadon> thats 256 regions 
2014-03-28 05:45 <nebadon> lol
2014-03-28 05:45 <nebadon> thats freakin gigantic
2014-03-28 05:45 <Ken_S> Yea, I just did one
2014-03-28 05:46 <nebadon> you could never populate that entirely with prims and scripts
2014-03-28 05:46 <Ken_S> It would need totally flat terrain, and mesh or sculpt terrain only
2014-03-28 05:47 <Ken_S> Even with nothing on it, it takes forever for lag to subside, and it really never gets normal
2014-03-28 05:47 <nebadon> ya
2014-03-28 05:47 <Plugh> I thought varregions couldn't be up against regular regions. Makes me think you might not be able to do a mega with vars. If you are using vars, why make a mega out of them? You could make a bigger var.
2014-03-28 05:47 <nebadon> mono and even .net can only handle so much memory and IO before it pukes
2014-03-28 05:47 <nebadon> i dont care what kind of hardware you have
2014-03-28 05:48 <Ken_S> Strange, Im seeing public chat from your train thats on my sandbox nowhere near the var
2014-03-28 05:48 <nebadon> ya its a bug with vars
2014-03-28 05:48 <nebadon> its know there is even a mantis I think danbanner filed
2014-03-28 05:48 <Ken_S> I was able to pass from a standard sim into the var across the border with no issues.
2014-03-28 05:50 <Ken_S> After all terrain is loaded, not sure why its still so laggy with flat terrain and no prims anywhere
2014-03-28 06:18 <nebadon> ive not done anything larger than 1024x1024
2014-03-28 06:19 <nebadon> most of my vars are all 768x768
2014-03-28 06:33 <Ken_S> Trying 4 2048x2048 vars in 1 instance now just for comparison to the 4096x4096 behavior
2014-03-28 06:37 <Ken_S> For sure thats MUCH better than a single 4096x4096.  Maptiles are correct now too.
2014-03-28 06:39 <dahlia> so making megas from vars works?
2014-03-28 06:39 <Ken_S> Havent ried that yet
2014-03-28 06:39 <dahlia> oh thought thats what you were just trying
2014-03-28 06:40 <Ken_S> Just trying 4 vars in the same instance to form a huge square
2014-03-28 06:44 <Ken_S> When trying the 4096x4096, all the land settings were grayed out too. Now its normal with the 4 2048 regions
2014-03-28 06:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #3437 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-28 06:54 <dahlia> orenh: cool. that's probably the safest choice :)
2014-03-28 06:54 <osmantis> Bug #7038:04 Unwearing mesh attachments very slow and generates [SynchronousObjectRequester] message IF mesh contains a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7038 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-28 06:55 <orenh> if I had the time I'd do something clever regarding releasing sculpt data on a timer
2014-03-28 06:55 <orenh> but I don't (have the time)
2014-03-28 06:55 <dahlia> ya if I had the time I'd redo the way it gets the data
2014-03-28 06:55 <dahlia> but I dont :)
2014-03-28 08:15 <osmantis> Bug #7059:04 Error in GetNumberOfSides() for a tapered torus 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7059 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-28 08:17 <osmantis> Bug #7064:04 Copies of linked primitives occasionally persist in region storage 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7064 ): has been set as DUPLICATE OF issue 0006175.
2014-03-28 08:17 <osmantis> Bug #6175:04 Rez an object from inventory and later remove it does not always persist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6175 ): The issue 0007064 has been set as DUPLICATE OF the following issue.
2014-03-28 08:18 <osmantis> Bug #7064:04 Copies of linked primitives occasionally persist in region storage 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7064 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-28 08:19 <osmantis> Bug #7064:04 Copies of linked primitives occasionally persist in region storage 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7064 ): has been REOPENED.
2014-03-28 08:19 <osmantis> Bug #7064:04 Copies of linked primitives occasionally persist in region storage 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7064 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-28 09:20 <zadark_zzz> Hello orenh, the last commit giving problems see paste bin http://pastebin.com/DWK2uLEM
2014-03-28 09:21 <danbanner> yikes
2014-03-28 09:24 <zadark_zzz> Attachments are invisible
2014-03-28 09:45 <orenh> zadark_zzz the log shows that OpenSim spent 10 minutes (!) rezzing the attachments
2014-03-28 09:45 <orenh> that reached the max time for a threadpool thread, so it was aborted
2014-03-28 09:45 <orenh> it doesn't show anything specifically related to the last commit, which had to do with doing *less* work when parsing the XML
2014-03-28 09:46 <orenh> any idea why it would take 10 minutes to rez your attachments?
2014-03-28 09:46 <orenh> do you have many of them? are they from a remote grid?
2014-03-28 09:47 <zadark_zzz> Local standalone config, no external network involved
2014-03-28 09:47 <zadark_zzz> The avatar involved is a Mesh configuration.
2014-03-28 09:48 <zadark_zzz> The paste bin is for a windows hosted sim (my desktop) but I can also see issues with a Linux hosted.
2014-03-28 09:49 <zadark_zzz> The mesh character is invisible
2014-03-28 09:54 <orenh> I think I found it. Please try again now.
2014-03-28 09:55 <zadark_zzz> Give me 5
2014-03-28 10:02 <zadark_zzz> orenh: Looks good, mesh avatar now visible and no errors on the console, I will update other regions and continue testing. Thanks
2014-03-28 10:02 <orenh> great, thanks for the update
2014-03-28 10:02 <zadark_zzz> No problem, thank you for your input.
2014-03-28 10:17 <Melanie_T> so i suppose nt even listing us as wanting that field makes the reader skipt it without decoding, therefore making it speed up?
2014-03-28 10:17 <Melanie_T> as opposed to reading and discarding it
2014-03-28 10:18 <Melanie_T> orenh: a suggestion
2014-03-28 10:19 <Melanie_T> why not let the threadpool watchdog have a "I'm alive" method
2014-03-28 10:19 <Melanie_T> to push back the timeout when a thread really is still going?
2014-03-28 10:19 <Melanie_T> like the main watchdog has..
2014-03-28 10:20 <orenh> threads that take that long shouldn't be in the threadpool, where they reduce the available threads for everyone else (mostly packet handlers)
2014-03-28 10:20 <orenh> they should use the NoTimeout method instead
2014-03-28 10:22 <orenh> regarding SculptData: the problem was that the xml wasn't being skipped, so the xml parsing loop got into an endless loop where it keeps looking at the <SculptData> element but not processing it
2014-03-28 10:22 <orenh> now it skips it
2014-03-28 10:22 <Melanie_T> i see
2014-03-28 11:25 <osmantis> Bug #7038:04 Unwearing mesh attachments very slow and generates [SynchronousObjectRequester] message IF mesh contains a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7038 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2014-03-28 11:26 <osmantis> Bug #7038:04 Unwearing mesh attachments very slow and generates [SynchronousObjectRequester] message IF mesh contains a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7038 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-28 12:00 <velus> hey all
2014-03-28 13:51 <Guest81543> where is the dll Tools from ?
2014-03-28 13:52 <LuciusSir> It's in the opensim project as a reference and used extensively by the lsl compiler, but i don't see code in the main project. anyone have any idea ?
2014-03-28 14:34 <zadark_zzz> LuciusSir: Most support libraries can be found  'git clone git://opensimulator.org/git/opensim-libs'
2014-03-28 15:47 <osmantis> Bug #6755:04 Failing teleports and avatar returned to original source region without attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6755 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-28 15:54 <osmantis> Bug #7081:04 [PATCH] Add Console command to change ownership of Estate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7081 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-28 15:55 <osmantis> Bug #7081:04 [PATCH] Add Console command to change ownership of Estate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7081 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-03-28 19:03 <jakdaniels> I've just updated from master (I was at b5f94c72b9a87237019ae6bff9e095bd2e0e29ef, March 19th) and now OS won't build. After a git pull; ./runprebuild.sh; nant i get this compile error almost immediately: http://pastebin.com/qyLyvCaR   Any ideas?
2014-03-28 19:04 <jakdaniels> I notice also osjenkins seems not to be building things anymore after people commit stuff, so I can't see if it's just a problem I'm having
2014-03-28 19:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3437: ABORTED in 12 hr: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3437/
2014-03-28 19:29 <osjenkins> orenh: Removed "SculptData" from the serialized XML format of prims
2014-03-28 19:30 <nebadon> it appears jenkins has been dead for about 3 days now
2014-03-28 19:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #3439 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: ABORTED -- last SUCCESS #3436 1 day 1 hr ago)
2014-03-28 19:30 <nebadon> i just kicked it
2014-03-28 19:30 <nebadon> jakdaniels may be that master git is broken
2014-03-28 19:31 <nebadon> we'll know shortly
2014-03-28 19:32 <jakdaniels> x fingers. tnx nebadon
2014-03-28 19:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3439: SUCCESS in 3 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3439/
2014-03-28 19:34 <osjenkins> * orenh: Better skipping of "SculptData" when parsing XML
2014-03-28 19:34 <osjenkins> * orenh: Removed default timeout when starting scripts after Load OAR
2014-03-28 19:34 <nebadon> ok soo master git is fine
2014-03-28 19:34 <orenh> jakdaniels OpenSim now requires .net 4
2014-03-28 19:35 <nebadon> ya but he is using nant/mono
2014-03-28 19:35 <nebadon> unless hes using mono 2.8 or less that should not be the problem
2014-03-28 19:35 <orenh> he got the error: " The type or namespace name `ConcurrentDictionary' could not be found"
2014-03-28 19:35 <orenh> means he's using .net 2
2014-03-28 19:35 <nebadon> hmm interesting
2014-03-28 19:36 <osmantis> Bug #7081:04 [PATCH] Add Console command to change ownership of Estate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7081 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-03-28 19:38 <nebadon> Dev_Random : ping
2014-03-28 19:39 <nebadon> not sure I like part of the new patch
2014-03-28 19:39 <nebadon> about requiring current owners password
2014-03-28 19:39 <nebadon> that makes it somewhat useless and no one should just be giving out thier password, event to admins
2014-03-28 19:39 <nebadon> even*
2014-03-28 19:40 <nebadon> if you can get to a region console you can get to the database
2014-03-28 19:40 <nebadon> so prompting for password really provides no security
2014-03-28 19:40 <nebadon> it just makes using this very much a hassle
2014-03-28 19:40 <jakdaniels> i'm using mono 2.10.8
2014-03-28 19:44 <jakdaniels> which supports .net 4
2014-03-28 19:44 <osmantis> Bug #7081:04 [PATCH] Add Console command to change ownership of Estate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7081 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-28 19:44 <jakdaniels> so is my git repo broken then perhaps?
2014-03-28 19:44 <nebadon> are you making changes to prebuild jakdaniels or developing a module of any kind
2014-03-28 19:45 <nebadon> try doing a > git reset --hard maybe
2014-03-28 19:45 <jakdaniels> nio. i've not done anything since I sent up the patch for region maptiles.
2014-03-28 19:45 <jakdaniels> and i resynced to master after that
2014-03-28 19:45 <nebadon> odd
2014-03-28 19:46 <nebadon> I dont use nant myself, but Jenkins does
2014-03-28 19:46 <jakdaniels> yeah i think i'll try a git reset
2014-03-28 19:46 <nebadon> try a fresh clone
2014-03-28 19:46 <nebadon> ya or a reset
2014-03-28 19:46 <Plugh> Compile issue?
2014-03-28 19:47 <jakdaniels> git reset --hard did not work
2014-03-28 19:47 <orenh> I think your log shows you're using .net 2.0 profile
2014-03-28 19:47 <orenh> run prebuild again
2014-03-28 19:47 <jakdaniels> i just did
2014-03-28 19:47 <jakdaniels> ./runprebuild.sh
2014-03-28 19:48 <Plugh> I just pulled and it compiled ok with nant.
2014-03-28 19:49 <jakdaniels> hmmm... ok i think i will get a fresh git clone and try that. grrrr... git grrrr ;-)
2014-03-28 19:49 <Plugh> jakdaniels: what type of error do you get?
2014-03-28 19:49 <nebadon> Plugh > http://pastebin.com/qyLyvCaR
2014-03-28 19:50 <jakdaniels> tnx neb, was just looking for that link again
2014-03-28 19:50 <Plugh> something doesn't look right. Mono 2.0?? I'm using NAnt 0.92 (Build 0.92.4526.0; rc1; 23/05/2012) and it says -> Using 'mono-4.0' Framework
2014-03-28 19:52 <jakdaniels> I'm using nant 0.90, stock package mono from Fedora release 18 (Spherical Cow) on this server
2014-03-28 19:52 <jakdaniels> mono 2.10.8 
2014-03-28 19:53 <Plugh> That's the version of mono I have installed.
2014-03-28 19:54 <jakdaniels> but yes, I hadn't noticed that Using 'mono-2.0' Framework at the top of the compile
2014-03-28 19:54 <jakdaniels> strange as I have compiled stuff with it that is suppoesed to be only .net 4
2014-03-28 19:55 <Plugh> That could cause some compile issues. I had to change from mcs to gmcs when trying to build the LSL compiler stuff the other day to avoid some complaints.
2014-03-28 19:55 <jakdaniels> where does that 'profile' come from?
2014-03-28 19:56 <Plugh> You can delete files/dirs from your source tree and use 'git checkout -- file/dir' to re-fetch the file from the repository instead of having to reclone.
2014-03-28 19:56 <jakdaniels> i might do that, but once I'm convinced its a git problem not a mono/nant one
2014-03-28 19:56 <Plugh> probably comes from the prebuild.xml file.
2014-03-28 19:57 <Plugh> <Project frameworkVersion="v4_0" ...
2014-03-28 19:58 <Plugh> Not sure what other help I might be able to offer other than comparing things. I'm going out for a while to take advantage of the "tropical" weather outside (all of 9C).
2014-03-28 19:59 <Plugh> bbl
2014-03-28 19:59 <jakdaniels> hehe... grab it while you can Plugh... we recently here in UK had a week of sunshine after a whole winter of rain and hurricanes. Temp got to 15C. Tropical!
2014-03-28 20:58 <jakdaniels> ok so I have first upgraded nant to 0.92 built from source. Then I have done a fresh git clone git://opensimulator.org/git/opensim into a new dir. Then  I run ./runprebuild.sh; nant and it still fails at the same place. wtf?? it still says using 'mono-2.0' Framework at the top. Plugh how did you get Using 'mono-4.0' Framework when there is no such framework in OpenSim.build?
2014-03-28 21:16 <osmantis> Bug #6055:04 failed hypergrid teleport corrupts attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6055 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-28 21:25 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-28 21:27 <velus> H-H-H, 
2014-03-28 21:27 <velus> hows you
2014-03-28 21:28 <H-H-H> good ty u?
2014-03-28 21:34 <velus> so so 
2014-03-28 21:34 <velus> so what you up to 
2014-03-28 21:35 <jakdaniels> So something is very wierd... opensim no longer comiles on fedora 18 (mono 2.10.8/ nant 0.90), but compiles fine on ubuntu 12.04lts (mono 2.10.8/ nant 0.91). Fedora uses Mono 2.0 Profile, Ubuntu uses Mono 4.0 Profile 
2014-03-28 21:35 <jakdaniels> *compiles
2014-03-28 21:35 <H-H-H> curently just messing around on my test grid lol
2014-03-28 21:35 <jakdaniels> i even upgraded nant to 0.92 on fedora
2014-03-28 21:39 <velus> yeah im currently messing round with my pc i will be doing a mess with my grid again soon lol
2014-03-28 21:45 <H-H-H> cool
2014-03-28 21:47 <osmantis> Bug #2484:04 r6994 - changes to a linkset are not always saved unless linkset is taken into INVENTORY 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=2484 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-28 22:00 <jakdaniels> same issue on centos 6.4. has the first truly .net 4.0 code only just gone into master recently, as this was never an issue before March 19th?
2014-03-28 22:00 <jakdaniels> does this mean that most major linux distros except fro ubuntu won't run OS with stock mono packages?
2014-03-28 22:06 <osmantis> Bug #1523:04 r 5060 - copy-select doesn't copy multiple selected prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1523 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-28 22:11 <velus> H-H-H, do you use linux for php development
2014-03-28 22:14 <osmantis> Bug #1516:04 r 5059 - sitting on a default sphere chooses a different sit rotation than on LL grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-28 22:15 <velus> H-H-H, do you use linux for php development
2014-03-28 22:27 <H-H-H> yes i do
2014-03-28 22:40 <Plugh> jakdaniels: no idea. I just have the OS source tree, then run 'make' which does the prebuild step followed by compile using nant.
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2014-03-28 22:42 <nebadon> hmm is 4.5 the default for opensim now?
2014-03-28 22:42 <nebadon> .net 4.5 that is
2014-03-28 22:42 <jakdaniels> ok, I'm thinking it's more an OS issue and the default profile that mono/nant/gmcs.exe uses. Which OS do you build on?
2014-03-28 22:43 <jakdaniels> nebabdon, I thought 0.8.0 went to .net 4.0
2014-03-28 22:43 <jakdaniels> was .net 3.5 in 0.7.6
2014-03-28 22:43 <nebadon> well i just compiled opensim with nant
2014-03-28 22:43 <nebadon> and its saying 4.5
2014-03-28 22:43 <nebadon> but i have mono 3.0.6
2014-03-28 22:43 <nebadon> i dont think mono 2.10.8 has 4.5 support
2014-03-28 22:43 <nebadon> its 4.0 only
2014-03-28 22:44 <nebadon> let me see what my other server has
2014-03-28 22:45 <jakdaniels> i've seen some posts about ubuntu defaulting mono profile to mono 4.0 in 2.10.8, maybe fedora doesn't so that hence the difference I see between ubuntu and fedora/rhal servers
2014-03-28 22:46 <nebadon> I dont have anything with mono 2.10.8
2014-03-28 22:46 <nebadon> your using centos?
2014-03-28 22:47 <jakdaniels> i have ubuntu 12.04lts (which works) and fedora 18 and centos 6.4 (both broken)
2014-03-28 22:47 <jakdaniels> all have mono 2.10.8
2014-03-28 22:48 <nebadon> odd
2014-03-28 22:48 <jakdaniels> ubuntu says 'Target framework: Mono 4.0 Profile' when using nant
2014-03-28 22:48 <nebadon> and mine says 4.5
2014-03-28 22:49 <nebadon> on opensuse 13.1 using the repo mono and nant
2014-03-28 22:49 <jakdaniels> rhel/fedora says 'Target framework: Mono 2.0 Profile'
2014-03-28 22:50 <nebadon> hmm trying to find a centos 6.4 iso
2014-03-28 22:52 <nebadon> its like 6.4 didnt exist
2014-03-28 22:52 <nebadon> all the mirrors have an empty 6.4 folder
2014-03-28 22:52 <nebadon> they have 6.3 isos and 6.5 isos but no 6.4
2014-03-28 22:52 <jakdaniels> 6.5 is current now i think
2014-03-28 22:52 <nebadon> ya but why has the isos been scrubbed
2014-03-28 22:52 <nebadon> wierd
2014-03-28 22:53 <nebadon> maybe evens are betas?
2014-03-28 22:53 <jakdaniels> lol no idea... if it happens on the master repo then all the mirror probably delete it too
2014-03-28 22:53 <nebadon> odds are release
2014-03-28 22:53 <jakdaniels> no.... each version is just the previous one but with all the updates merged
2014-03-28 22:53 <nebadon> it must be
2014-03-28 22:53 <nebadon> 6.2 is empty too
2014-03-28 22:53 <nebadon> its wierd the even #'s are missing from mirrors
2014-03-28 22:53 <nebadon> lol
2014-03-28 23:00 <jakdaniels> i'm wondering if ubuntu have done something 'clever' with gmcs.exe, because gmcs.exe is supposed to target .net up to 3.5 and dmcs.exe is for .net 4.0, yet OS compiles with gmcs.exe on ubuntu and not rhel/centos/fedora
2014-03-28 23:08 <jakdaniels> nebadon I just noticed that on my centos 6.4 server I'm using opensuse Mono_EL6 repo for RHEL6 which is mono 2.10.6. It fails the same way as 2.10.8 on fedora 18 so I don't think the mono version is the issue here
2014-03-28 23:12 <nebadon> ok 2.10.6 will fail im pretty sure
2014-03-28 23:13 <nebadon> i dont know though maybe not
2014-03-28 23:13 <nebadon> i just dont think that version was well tested
2014-03-28 23:15 <jakdaniels> it was the fedora 18 with mono 2.10.8 i first noticed this compile problem on. 
2014-03-28 23:17 <jakdaniels> that it happens also on the 2.10.6 centos version as well but not on ubuntu makes me think it is some kind of assumption thats made about which mono profile to use, when it can actually differ between distros
2014-03-28 23:19 <jakdaniels> i've read quite a few posts on the net now saying that to get .net 4.0 in mono 2.10 you muust use dmcs not gmcs
2014-03-28 23:20 <jakdaniels> yet ubuntu is using gmcs just like redhat clones
2014-03-28 23:21 <nebadon> i downloaded centos 6.5 it just finished installing in virtualbox
2014-03-28 23:27 <nebadon> hmm there is no mono at all in the default repos?
2014-03-28 23:29 <jakdaniels> on centos I grabbed it from opensuse builds for RHEl6. dam it this server is only a few months old, and googling for mono on rehl6 only now finds either very very old mono or peole building mono 3.x on it
2014-03-28 23:30 <jakdaniels> OK: try here: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Mono:/EL6/RHEL6/
2014-03-28 23:30 <jakdaniels> as of Dec 2013
2014-03-28 23:31 <jakdaniels> somewhere there is a yrpm that installs the yum repo...
2014-03-28 23:31 <jakdaniels> *rpm
2014-03-28 23:34 <jakdaniels> ah I remember... dl this file into /etc/yum.repos.d
2014-03-28 23:34 <jakdaniels> http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Mono:/EL6/RHEL6/Mono:EL6.repo
2014-03-28 23:36 <nebadon> k
2014-03-28 23:37 <jakdaniels> but on centos it is still 2.10.6, but up 'til now I've not had any problems compiling and running opensim on it, or on fedora which has 2.10.8 in the standard repo
2014-03-28 23:39 <nebadon> hmm ya
2014-03-28 23:39 <nebadon> im pretty sure 2.10.6 wont work but i'll try
2014-03-28 23:39 <nebadon> its installing
2014-03-28 23:40 <jakdaniels> from a yum install mono-complete?
2014-03-28 23:40 <jakdaniels> 2.10.6 worked fine up til 19th March, as did 2.10.8 on fedora
2014-03-28 23:46 <nebadon> ya mono-complete
2014-03-28 23:46 <nebadon> its taking forever to download
2014-03-28 23:47 <jakdaniels> try being here with only 4.5Mb d/l speeds! ;-)
2014-03-28 23:47 <jakdaniels> crappy BT broadband lol
2014-03-28 23:48 <nebadon> its downloading the packages at 42kB/sec
2014-03-28 23:51 <jakdaniels> lol.... i get pissed at my 450kB/sec *max*, but its often much lower than that. I guess you have probably more like 2-5mB/sec where you are?
2014-03-28 23:52 <nebadon> i get 65Mbps down and 12Mbps up
2014-03-28 23:52 <jakdaniels> *envy*
2014-03-28 23:53 <jakdaniels> i'm still trying to bond two dsl lines just to get 10Mbps down and 1.5Mbps up
2014-03-28 23:53 <jakdaniels> but even that was a *fail*
2014-03-29 00:00 <nebadon> there is no nant in the repo jakdaniels?
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2014-03-29 00:00 <nebadon> oops
2014-03-29 00:00 <danbanner> wb
2014-03-29 00:00 <danbanner> lol
2014-03-29 00:00 <nebadon> lol thanks
2014-03-29 00:07 <velus> H-H-H,  you about still?
2014-03-29 00:08 <H-H-H> yeah 
2014-03-29 00:09 <jakdaniels> yeah, dammit, now that I check, on centos 6 i built a nant-0.92 rpm from source. But I first noticed the compile problem on Fedora 18 which installs mono 2.10.8 and nant from the standard repo
2014-03-29 00:12 <jakdaniels> hmm anyway this is the nant package i built for centos 6: http://filebin.ca/1H7UFSJsCCn7/nant-0.92-14.1.x86_64.rpm
2014-03-29 00:12 <velus> ill pc you noe one sec?
2014-03-29 00:44 <nebadon> anyone who is interested
2014-03-29 00:44 <nebadon> xbakes is setup on osgrid now
2014-03-29 00:44 <nebadon> http://xbakes.osgrid.org
2014-03-29 00:44 <nebadon> if anyone feels like testing
2014-03-29 00:51 <Plugh> page not found
2014-03-29 00:53 <nebadon> heh
2014-03-29 00:53 <nebadon> you need to setup your sim
2014-03-29 00:53 <nebadon> for xbakes
2014-03-29 00:54 <nebadon> [XBakes]
2014-03-29 00:54 <nebadon>   URL = http://xbakes.osgrid.org
2014-03-29 01:07 <paulieflomar> jakdaniels, IM using 2 bonded DSl lines. I do it with this piece of equipment: https://www.mushroomnetworks.com/product/truffle
2014-03-29 01:07 <paulieflomar> It's expensive, but works great.
2014-03-29 01:10 <paulieflomar> It's dead-simple to set up, requires no support from your ISP.
2014-03-29 01:12 <paulieflomar> It *does* require a monthly subscription to a bonding service, since effective bonding cant be done from a single host. It connects to another bonded host over VPN and allows bonding of all protocols and all traffic types. 
2014-03-29 01:13 <paulieflomar> Oh! We have xbakes now? Neat!
2014-03-29 01:13 <nebadon> yep
2014-03-29 01:13 <nebadon> finally got around to doing it
2014-03-29 01:14 <nebadon> updated Robust to master git too
2014-03-29 01:14 <paulieflomar> Sweet! How can I test it
2014-03-29 01:14 <nebadon> just put what i pasted above into your OpenSim.ini
2014-03-29 01:14 <nebadon> use osgrid latest release or master git
2014-03-29 01:15 <nebadon> my region "Sisyphus" is updated
2014-03-29 01:15 <nebadon> i think danbanner is going to updated plazas
2014-03-29 01:15 <paulieflomar> Kewl!
2014-03-29 01:18 <smxy> I was trying to figure out how to set it up for a standalone yesterday and wasn't sure how.
2014-03-29 01:50 <nebadon> MisterblueAFK : ping
2014-03-29 01:52 <nebadon> if anyone is interested there is a Physical Roller coaster at Sisyphus
2014-03-29 01:52 <nebadon> if you want to come ride it
2014-03-29 01:59 <Plugh> Is that new or one that has been there a while?
2014-03-29 02:00 <djphil> physical roler caster use vehicule stuff or movetotarget ?
2014-03-29 02:01 <Plugh> It that works well I'd like to know how they got the movement working well.
2014-03-29 02:01 <Plugh> and how the cars follow the track.
2014-03-29 02:06 <nebadon> its new Plugh
2014-03-29 02:07 <nebadon> we just rezzed it
2014-03-29 02:07 <Plugh> ah, ok.
2014-03-29 02:07 <Plugh> Who created it?
2014-03-29 02:11 <danbanner> cuteulala came up with it
2014-03-29 02:11 <danbanner> its just basic 1 car ride atm
2014-03-29 02:13 <dahlia> cant seem to tp to sisyphus
2014-03-29 02:13 <nebadon> really?
2014-03-29 02:13 <danbanner> odd
2014-03-29 02:13 <nebadon> there is a bunch of us there
2014-03-29 02:13 <danbanner> theres several of us there
2014-03-29 02:14 <dahlia> nope
2014-03-29 02:14 <nebadon> i see wierdness when you try to connect
2014-03-29 02:14 <nebadon> 22:03:24 - [SCENE PRESENCE]: Agent Dahlia Trimble waiting for update in Sisyphus
2014-03-29 02:14 <nebadon> 22:03:24 - [SCENE PRESENCE]: Agent Dahlia Trimble waiting for update in Sisyphus
2014-03-29 02:14 <nebadon> 22:03:24 - [SCENE PRESENCE]: Agent Dahlia Trimble waiting for update in Sisyphus
2014-03-29 02:14 <nebadon> 22:03:24 - [SCENE PRESENCE]: Agent Dahlia Trimble waiting for update in Sisyphus
2014-03-29 02:14 <nebadon> 22:03:25 - [SCENE PRESENCE]: Agent Dahlia Trimble waiting for update in Sisyphus
2014-03-29 02:14 <nebadon> 22:03:25 - [SCENE PRESENCE]: Agent Dahlia Trimble waiting for update in Sisyphus
2014-03-29 02:14 <nebadon> 22:03:25 - [SCENE PRESENCE]: Agent Dahlia Trimble waiting for update in Sisyphus
2014-03-29 02:14 <nebadon> 22:03:25 - [SCENE PRESENCE]: Agent Dahlia Trimble waiting for update in Sisyphus
2014-03-29 02:14 <nebadon> 22:03:25 - [SCENE PRESENCE]: Agent Dahlia Trimble waiting for update in Sisyphus
2014-03-29 02:14 <nebadon> 22:03:26 - [SCENE PRESENCE]: Agent Dahlia Trimble waiting for update in Sisyphus
2014-03-29 02:14 <nebadon> are you trying to come in from an old region?
2014-03-29 02:14 <nebadon> try direct log in
2014-03-29 02:14 <dahlia> oh ok
2014-03-29 02:15 <nebadon> you might need to update hehe
2014-03-29 02:15 <nebadon> probably be good anyway for Xbakes
2014-03-29 02:22 <osmantis> Bug #7081:04 [PATCH] Add Console command to change ownership of Estate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7081 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-03-29 02:22 <Ken_S> nebadon, thanks for the XBakes update in osg!!!
2014-03-29 02:25 <nebadon> no problem
2014-03-29 02:25 <nebadon> seems to be working good 
2014-03-29 02:25 <nebadon> there are about 25 bakes on the server already
2014-03-29 02:26 <Ken_S> Too bad we cant use XBakes on var terrain lol
2014-03-29 02:26 <Plugh> What are xbakes anyway?
2014-03-29 02:26 <keygruin> was just about to ask myself
2014-03-29 02:27 <Plugh> I thought it was about server side baking at first.
2014-03-29 02:28 <Ken_S> Logging back into my var, AV rez was instant with XBakes
2014-03-29 02:28 <Ken_S> Its working well.
2014-03-29 02:29 <smxy> How do you set up xbakes for a standalone?
2014-03-29 02:30 <Ken_S> smxy, not sure. Maybe look in Robust.ini for info on that end of it.
2014-03-29 02:30 <Ken_S> Let me look in mine
2014-03-29 02:31 <smxy> I know how to set it up for robust.
2014-03-29 02:32 <Ken_S> smxy, may need to ask Melanie
2014-03-29 02:33 <smxy> k
2014-03-29 02:34 <Ken_S> For stand-alone, Im not sure you will see much improvement even if it can be done.
2014-03-29 02:53 <Plugh> k
2014-03-29 02:57 <nebadon> I think you would still see improvements on standalone
2014-03-29 02:57 <nebadon> on log ins
2014-03-29 02:58 <nebadon> guess it also depends on if its HG standalone
2014-03-29 02:59 <smxy> yes, it is
2014-03-29 03:04 <nebadon> then ya its probably worth doing it
2014-03-29 03:04 <nebadon> if you even can though that i dont know
2014-03-29 03:04 <nebadon> i never use standalones
2014-03-29 03:05 <nebadon> looking at it i dont think you can actually
2014-03-29 03:06 <Plugh> XBakes is in OpenSim.ini
2014-03-29 03:07 <danbanner> isnt it a robust service?
2014-03-29 03:07 <nebadon> ya
2014-03-29 03:07 <nebadon> I dont see any configuration for dll being loaded for standalone
2014-03-29 03:08 <nebadon> Melanie doesnt use standalone either
2014-03-29 03:08 <nebadon> so its likely it wont work unless someone else makes it work standalone
2014-03-29 03:08 <nebadon> and Im not sure if bakes get cached in flotsam cache
2014-03-29 03:08 <nebadon> so having an eternal cache might do the same thing, though im not positive of that
2014-03-29 03:10 <smxy> I use the standalones for testing.
2014-03-29 03:10 <smxy> My regular setup is a robust grid.
2014-03-29 03:12 <nebadon> its easy to setup
2014-03-29 03:12 <nebadon> just uncomment the stuff in Robust.ini
2014-03-29 03:12 <nebadon> and OpenSim.ini
2014-03-29 03:12 <nebadon> its very self explanatory
2014-03-29 03:13 <smxy> yes
2014-03-29 03:14 <smxy> I have it working in my robust grid
2014-03-29 03:45 <osmantis> Bug #6755:04 Failing teleports and avatar returned to original source region without attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6755 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-29 05:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #3440 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-29 05:10 <osmantis> Bug #7081:04 [PATCH] Add Console command to change ownership of Estate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7081 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-29 05:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3440: SUCCESS in 3 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3440/
2014-03-29 05:13 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: Console command to change Estate owner
2014-03-29 05:18 <nebadon> works great Dev_Random
2014-03-29 05:18 <nebadon> just used it on Avacon grid
2014-03-29 06:30 <osmantis> Bug #7028:04 [PATCH] PhysicalPrimMax to 64m for ini Default files to enable standard size prims and mesh to be used with vehicles. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7028 ): has been CLOSED
2014-03-29 10:46 <osmantis> Bug #7082:04 GroupsMessagingModule V2 requires MessageOnlineUsersOnly = true 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7082 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-29 11:38 <osmantis> Bug #7082:04 GroupsMessagingModule V2 requires MessageOnlineUsersOnly = true 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7082 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-03-29 11:41 <osmantis> Bug #7082:04 GroupsMessagingModule V2 requires MessageOnlineUsersOnly = true 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7082 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-29 12:43 <osmantis> Bug #7082:04 GroupsMessagingModule V2 requires MessageOnlineUsersOnly = true 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7082 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-29 13:45 <osmantis> Bug #7082:04 GroupsMessagingModule V2 requires MessageOnlineUsersOnly = true 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7082 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-29 13:54 <Melanie_T> smxy_: xbakes is not required in standalone
2014-03-29 13:54 <Melanie_T> bakes are indeed cached in flotsam
2014-03-29 13:54 <Melanie_T> there may be the possibility of some extra magic
2014-03-29 13:54 <Melanie_T> but xbakes is a pure grid service
2014-03-29 13:55 <Melanie_T> also, standalones aren't normally too busy to simply request bakes from the viewer
2014-03-29 13:55 <Arielle_> how is it enabled on a grid?
2014-03-29 14:01 <Arielle_> simply uncomment in opensim.ini and  put in my  grid url? like: URL = http://myUrl.org:8003
2014-03-29 14:01 <osmantis> Bug #7082:04 GroupsMessagingModule V2 requires MessageOnlineUsersOnly = true 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7082 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-29 14:01 <osmantis> Bug #2484:04 r6994 - changes to a linkset are not always saved unless linkset is taken into INVENTORY 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=2484 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-29 14:04 <Arielle_> or is there somewhere I need to enable the robust service?
2014-03-29 14:09 <Melanie_T> Arielle_: you need to load the robust service
2014-03-29 14:09 <Melanie_T> and put in it's URL
2014-03-29 14:09 <Arielle_> in robusthg.ini?
2014-03-29 14:10 <Arielle_> i dont see a Xbake in it
2014-03-29 14:13 <Arielle_> ahh ok ;BakedTextureService = "8003/OpenSim.Server.Handlers.dll:XBakesConnector" is not in robustHG.ini but only the robust.ini
2014-03-29 14:13 <Melanie_T> 8003/XBakes.dll:XBakesConnector
2014-03-29 14:13 <Melanie_T> that's the server spec
2014-03-29 14:14 <Arielle_> so i jusst need  to add it to the service list of robustHG.ini ?
2014-03-29 14:14 <Melanie_T> yes
2014-03-29 14:14 <Melanie_T> and then put in the simside configuration
2014-03-29 14:14 <Melanie_T> givingt hat URL
2014-03-29 14:18 <Arielle_> will the config option be added to robustHG.ini at some point?
2014-03-29 15:33 <danbanner> Arielle_ apparently it was added on march 9th
2014-03-29 15:34 <danbanner> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commitdiff&p=opensim&h=abcb2cdb364bb00d6c0f77c3de23bc7364d063a7
2014-03-29 15:34 <danbanner> unless that commit was lost too
2014-03-29 15:35 <danbanner> its in there
2014-03-29 15:36 <osmantis> Bug #7083:04 Consistent Out of Memory crash after a few hours - even without user activity 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7083 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-29 15:38 <Arielle_> the build I was looking at was from 3/11/2014
2014-03-29 15:42 <Arielle_> oh i know, i dropped the robustHG.ini from a March 8 build into the march 11 one without checking assuming no changes in 3 days to robust :)
2014-03-29 15:45 <osmantis> Bug #7082:04 GroupsMessagingModule V2 requires MessageOnlineUsersOnly = true 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7082 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-03-29 15:52 <osmantis> Bug #7083:04 Consistent Out of Memory crash after a few hours - even without user activity 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7083 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-29 16:02 <osmantis> Bug #7083:04 Consistent Out of Memory crash after a few hours - even without user activity 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7083 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-29 17:11 <smxy> If I load an oar for someone, I own everything that get's loaded, right? Is there no way to make them the owner during the process?
2014-03-29 17:13 <smxy> I don't see an option to say who it should be loaded as.
2014-03-29 17:18 <danbanner> smxy: save the oar with --publish
2014-03-29 17:18 <danbanner> it will be owned by the estate owner
2014-03-29 17:18 <danbanner> when you load it
2014-03-29 17:19 <danbanner> if it wasnt saved that way you can probably resave it with --publish and load it a second time
2014-03-29 17:19 <smxy> I'll tell the user that. They are making it on another grid.
2014-03-29 17:19 <danbanner> nod
2014-03-29 17:20 <smxy> Craft grid has a web interface to let users do this themselves.
2014-03-29 17:20 <danbanner> oh cool
2014-03-29 17:20 <smxy> I don't know know how to make that. :(
2014-03-29 17:20 <danbanner> does it allow --publish?
2014-03-29 17:20 <smxy> dunno
2014-03-29 17:20 <smxy> but it lat's them make and load oars I hear.
2014-03-29 17:20 <danbanner> nice
2014-03-29 17:21 <smxy> I need something like that for my grid.
2014-03-29 17:21 <smxy> I wisj Wifi had region management features.
2014-03-29 17:21 <smxy> wish*
2014-03-29 17:22 <smxy> That would be the place for it.
2014-03-29 17:27 <danbanner> wifi would have to access the region
2014-03-29 17:27 <danbanner> if a sim was on another machine it might get tricky
2014-03-29 17:28 <danbanner> maybe a link in wifi to load webUI running on server with the sim
2014-03-29 17:31 <smxy> Yeah. Either part of Wifi for ROBUST, with the functionality built-in, or at least a link to another web page that could do it. But my point is I don't know how to write such a thing.
2014-03-29 18:10 <Arielle_> This XBakes  feature only would work after an initial visit to a particular region?
2014-03-29 18:11 <Arielle_> on subsequent trips wearing the same outfit, you would load faster?
2014-03-29 18:12 <nebadon> yes Arielle_
2014-03-29 18:12 <paulieflomar> I'm curious, too, about how it works.
2014-03-29 18:12 <nebadon> the only time it should ever rebake after that is when you change your appearance
2014-03-29 18:12 <nebadon> otherwise it reads the stored bake from the centralized service
2014-03-29 18:13 <nebadon> which is how SL works too
2014-03-29 18:13 <paulieflomar> I would think that it should not be region specific, but a grid service, that would cache when logging into any region on the grid. Does it not work that way?
2014-03-29 18:13 <paulieflomar> Why do regions have to enable it in .ini, I mean??
2014-03-29 18:13 <Arielle_> flotsam cache  is just region specific isnt it?
2014-03-29 18:13 <nebadon> it is a grid service
2014-03-29 18:13 <nebadon> it runs in Robust
2014-03-29 18:14 <paulieflomar> But regions have to enable it in .ini?
2014-03-29 18:14 <nebadon> yes
2014-03-29 18:14 <nebadon> regions need to know the URL for the service
2014-03-29 18:14 <paulieflomar> ah.
2014-03-29 18:14 <paulieflomar> Its enabled by default for regions, then? 
2014-03-29 18:15 <Arielle_> the bake is stored in flotsam or the database?
2014-03-29 18:15 <nebadon> there is no database for xbakes
2014-03-29 18:15 <nebadon> it gets stored in a folder
2014-03-29 18:15 <nebadon> its basicall flotsam cache for robust
2014-03-29 18:15 <nebadon> but just for bakes
2014-03-29 18:15 <nebadon> it works almost identically to flotsam cache
2014-03-29 18:15 <paulieflomar> intereasting
2014-03-29 18:15 <nebadon> i do believe flotsam cache does store bakes too though
2014-03-29 18:16 <nebadon> but now we have like a grid wide flotsam cache specifically for bakes
2014-03-29 18:16 <paulieflomar> would local flotsam bakes possibly conflict with grid-wide bakes now? 
2014-03-29 18:17 <nebadon> no
2014-03-29 18:17 <nebadon> if it exists in flotsam it gets pulled from there
2014-03-29 18:17 <nebadon> if it doesnt it goes to xbakes
2014-03-29 18:17 <Arielle_> and would it work the samme for hypergrid visitors
2014-03-29 18:17 <nebadon> if its not there your avatar bakes and stores it on fcache and xbakes
2014-03-29 18:17 <nebadon> then when you teleport it will get pulled from xbakes
2014-03-29 18:18 <nebadon> it should be the same for any visitor
2014-03-29 18:18 <paulieflomar> it it considered "beta" (In testing) at this point or do we imagine it is stable enough for general use?
2014-03-29 18:19 <Arielle_> its all alpha :)
2014-03-29 18:19 <nebadon> its stable enough for use
2014-03-29 18:19 <nebadon> its been in use on Avination for a while i think
2014-03-29 18:19 <paulieflomar> :)
2014-03-29 18:19 <paulieflomar> neat
2014-03-29 18:19 <paulieflomar> thankx for implementing it, neb. 
2014-03-29 18:20 <nebadon> no problem, glad I had some time before I leave for sweden
2014-03-29 18:20 <nebadon> Avacon grid made it easier
2014-03-29 18:20 <paulieflomar> Sweden! dang!
2014-03-29 18:20 <nebadon> I can be a bit more experimental there at the moment and test things
2014-03-29 18:20 <nebadon> so i was able to set it up there first and work it all out
2014-03-29 18:20 <paulieflomar> neat
2014-03-29 18:20 <Arielle_> i set it up on my grid but mot sure of its effectiveness yet
2014-03-29 18:21 <nebadon> ive noticed teleports do seem better
2014-03-29 18:21 <nebadon> avatar rez much faster
2014-03-29 18:21 <paulieflomar> Yeah, I imagine results would be hard to measure.
2014-03-29 18:21 <paulieflomar> It would just seem to "load faster."
2014-03-29 18:21 <nebadon> ya
2014-03-29 18:22 <Arielle_> rezzing for me has been pretty good the last couple months but sometimes visitors still take a bit. Hoping that will be resolved
2014-03-29 18:22 <nebadon> Fleep said she noticed a difference on avacon grid 
2014-03-29 18:22 <paulieflomar> neat
2014-03-29 18:23 <paulieflomar> lots of good progress coming for 0.8.0 stable, it seems. :)
2014-03-29 18:24 <nebadon> yea good stuff
2014-03-29 18:40 <osmantis> Bug #7080:04 Avatar outside root region on mega region creates a flashing screen and avatar get shoot into sky or seems to have some burry ef 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7080 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-29 18:45 <osmantis> Bug #7082:04 GroupsMessagingModule V2 requires MessageOnlineUsersOnly = true 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7082 ): has been REOPENED.
2014-03-29 18:56 <Sked> Hello guys
2014-03-29 18:57 <Sked> does anyone know if OsGrid have friends list mybe on web site?
2014-03-29 18:57 <Sked> i cannot find it
2014-03-29 18:57 <Wanderer_42> so far i know, you only can see, wich friends are online
2014-03-29 18:58 <Sked> where can i find this
2014-03-29 18:58 <Wanderer_42> "my grid tools / Users inworld" 
2014-03-29 18:58 <Sked> i meyn only to see my friends
2014-03-29 18:58 <Sked> *mean
2014-03-29 18:59 <Wanderer_42> this you cannot see on the website. only inworld  your viewer shows your your friends
2014-03-29 19:00 <Wanderer_42> *you your
2014-03-29 19:00 <Sked> ok tnx
2014-03-29 19:00 <Wanderer_42> yw
2014-03-29 19:00 <Sked> and what about profile code
2014-03-29 19:00 <Sked> where can i find it?
2014-03-29 19:01 <Wanderer_42> what do u mean exactly ?  how to setup your profile ?
2014-03-29 19:01 <Sked> and getprofilepicuuid
2014-03-29 19:01 <Wanderer_42> you can do that inworld with your viewer
2014-03-29 19:01 <Sked> i cannot find php code for web site to show profile info
2014-03-29 19:01 <Sked> for my grid
2014-03-29 19:02 <Wanderer_42> sorry, i have no clue. maybe ask again later. Many people are often afk
2014-03-29 19:02 <Sked> ok tnx
2014-03-29 19:15 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6HS15u-Fck&hd=1
2014-03-29 19:18 <Plugh> Does anyone know where I can find an LSL editor program that runs outside a grid? The LSL Editor program I have is old and unstable.
2014-03-29 19:21 <Wanderer_42> Plugh: This one is good: http://sourceforge.net/projects/lsleditor/
2014-03-29 19:22 <Plugh> yeah, its what I've been using. Its unstable. Paste text in to it and it usually crashes.
2014-03-29 19:22 <Plugh> I'll see if I can run the latest.
2014-03-29 19:23 <lkalif> "unix creationist" lol. just saw this fly past on twitter
2014-03-29 19:23 <lkalif> "I am a Unix Creationist. I believe the world was created on January 1, 1970 and as prophesized, will end on January 19, 2038"
2014-03-29 19:24 <osmantis> Bug #5023:04 LSL won't let you set a default value to another integer in a declaration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5023 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-29 19:25 <Plugh> hehe
2014-03-29 19:25 <Plugh> ok, the editor still crashes on paste. I had to save text to file then open file.
2014-03-29 19:26 <Plugh> I wouldn't need external editor if OpenSim reported proper line number. It says error in line 193 when it is in 299.
2014-03-29 19:27 <Sked> neb what program you use to make video so great
2014-03-29 19:32 <nebadon> its called SimpleScreenRecorder
2014-03-29 19:32 <nebadon> its in the opensuse repository
2014-03-29 19:32 <nebadon> http://www.maartenbaert.be/simplescreenrecorder/
2014-03-29 19:32 <nebadon> works really good sked
2014-03-29 19:33 <Sked> yes i see
2014-03-29 19:33 <Sked> awsome
2014-03-29 19:33 <Sked> btw good rolercoaster
2014-03-29 19:34 <Sked> can anyone please tel me why this my code dont work http://pastebin.com/kKMDfCqd
2014-03-29 19:38 <Plugh> You have two different SELECTS in one.
2014-03-29 19:39 <Plugh> You are trying to do a form of sub-select?
2014-03-29 19:40 <Sked> i need $friend,$firstname,$lastname all 3 value
2014-03-29 19:40 <Sked> relly i need firstname and lastname
2014-03-29 19:40 <Sked> i want to make friends list
2014-03-29 19:41 <Plugh> If they are in different tables that would be done via a JOIN, afaik. I always have to look that up as I don't do JOINS very often.
2014-03-29 19:41 <Sked> do you have mybe any example of that code?
2014-03-29 19:42 <Plugh> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/join.html
2014-03-29 19:42 <Arielle_> anyone know what all this red text is  about on a region update to the latest master? http://pastebin.ca/2688641 
2014-03-29 19:42 <Plugh> You can also do an Internet search. That is what I always wind up doing.
2014-03-29 19:43 <Sked> i mean for friends list
2014-03-29 19:43 <Sked> i have search and didnt find
2014-03-29 19:46 <Plugh> That pastebin is about trying to get the material for an object that doesn't appear to exist.
2014-03-29 19:47 <Sked> hm
2014-03-29 19:47 <Arielle_> hmm only get it when i run the region with bullet
2014-03-29 19:47 <Plugh> Is this happening while loading an OAR file or an IAR?
2014-03-29 19:47 <Arielle_> under Ode  i dont get it
2014-03-29 19:48 <Arielle_> no on region restart  on updated code
2014-03-29 19:49 <Plugh> Arielle_: I don't usually find "object ref not set to an instance of an object" a helpful message. It says something is wrong but doesn't really point you to what.
2014-03-29 19:50 <Arielle_> would  that be for mesh objects?
2014-03-29 19:51 <Plugh> Arielle_: Its possible. I can't tell from those messages.
2014-03-29 19:55 <Plugh> bbl
2014-03-29 19:56 <Sked> hm still dont work
2014-03-29 19:56 <Sked> can you please fix my code that i can see what i do wrong
2014-03-29 19:59 <Sked> i am trying to make my code from this one i find out for transaction http://pastebin.com/ezF6uq6Q
2014-03-29 20:03 <osmantis> Bug #7082:04 GroupsMessagingModule V2 requires MessageOnlineUsersOnly = true 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7082 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-29 20:05 <Sked> any one please
2014-03-29 20:07 <jakdaniels> Sked, at that point in your code $friend is a php variable you are using as a lookup in the db?
2014-03-29 20:08 <Sked> yes
2014-03-29 20:08 <Sked> i must get firstname and lastname from db
2014-03-29 20:09 <Sked> for friend uuid
2014-03-29 20:09 <jakdaniels> what's the first part doing with $_SESSION[USERID] ?
2014-03-29 20:09 <Sked> this is login user uuid
2014-03-29 20:09 <Sked> then i get uuid from friend from db
2014-03-29 20:10 <Sked> and from uuid i get firstname and lastname
2014-03-29 20:12 <BlueWall> select FirstName, LastName from UserAccounts where PrincipalID in (select Friend from Friends where PrincipalID = $ID);
2014-03-29 20:14 <Sked> ok i will try
2014-03-29 20:16 <BlueWall> but HG friends have PrincipalID;Gatekeeper;FirstName LastName;###### in some fields;
2014-03-29 20:17 <Sked> o i see
2014-03-29 20:52 <Sked> can anyone tell me where to find getprofilepic files please
2014-03-29 21:22 <Plugh> getprofilepic files? I don't know what that refers to.
2014-03-29 21:38 <LuciusSir> la di da
2014-03-29 21:38 <LuciusSir> good morning everyone
2014-03-29 22:02 <Plugh> Hey, LuciusSir
2014-03-29 22:37 <LuciusSir> hello plug
2014-03-29 22:37 <LuciusSir> so i commented more on that issue, its a matter of not knowing where currently evaluated translation is being defined that is the issue, the SYMBOL class doesn't really provide a way of knowing that
2014-03-29 22:38 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  so the eval isn't taking into consideration the value of the previously defined field, and therefore cannot first decide when to make it a literal or what the value of that literal is 
2014-03-29 22:39 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  I'd go through and  restructure that code to be honest, but i'm sure there could be a quick workaround, i just haven't dug that deep into it
2014-03-29 22:40 <Plugh> LuciusSir: Hold those thoughts. I just got the call that dinner is ready.
2014-03-29 22:40 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  hopefully will too shortly, damn i feel like shit
2014-03-30 00:32 <osmantis> Bug #7084:04 after login directly on region cannot TP in the in the region until the whole terrain is loaded. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7084 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-30 00:32 <osmantis> Bug #7084:04 after login directly on region cannot TP in the region until the whole terrain is loaded. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7084 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-03-30 00:36 <LuciusSir> back me cyberfriend i spoke to back when Plugh
2014-03-30 00:50 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  you back ?
2014-03-30 00:51 <Plugh> Yea. I was working on a script.
2014-03-30 00:52 <Plugh> One simple test is to test the declarations inside a function and see if it is accepted.
2014-03-30 00:55 <Plugh> LuciusSir: If I did that right "int a = 1; int b = a;" was accepted inside a state.
2014-03-30 00:55 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  well I was starting to look more at that code and it seems to create a workaround for the issue in that bug you would need to rework the code to keep track of the values assigned to each global identifier encountered during transformation, and then to evaluate each assignment which will occur at the global level and place the stored literal
2014-03-30 00:55 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  its supposed to be accepted globally as well
2014-03-30 00:56 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  problem is that ends up translating to a field in c# and the assignments for the initial values are not checked that closely
2014-03-30 00:56 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  so you have a syntax error being caused becaused fields are not supposed to be initialized from other fields.
2014-03-30 00:58 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  in lsl outside a state can you use constants and functions to declare a value initializer for global variables ?
2014-03-30 00:58 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  like could i call something like float f = llCos(j);
2014-03-30 00:58 <LuciusSir> ?
2014-03-30 01:06 <Plugh> Hm... I'm not sure if that would be accepted.
2014-03-30 01:07 <Plugh> or should be.
2014-03-30 01:07 <Plugh> The compiler in opensim-libs handles the a=1 global but as soon as I add b=a it throws an exception.
2014-03-30 01:08 <Plugh> LuciusSir: What file(s) are you looking at?
2014-03-30 01:10 <LuciusSir> The project OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Shared.CodeTools at the moment.
2014-03-30 01:11 <LuciusSir> It parses the lsl, and creates an abstract multi tiered tree, refines this tree for certain rules, and then evaluates it into cs code.
2014-03-30 01:11 <Plugh> The project meaning inside the OpenSim source tree?
2014-03-30 01:11 <LuciusSir> Yes, it's one of the subprojects
2014-03-30 01:11 <LuciusSir> In the opensim.sln
2014-03-30 01:12 <LuciusSir> The problem its encountering is there needs to be logic that determines if a variable in lsl is global, stored a flag regarding this, and then further massages it's initializer, which could get complex because you can even call functions inside an lsl declaration.
2014-03-30 01:13 <Plugh> I was checking the compiler in opensim-libs. I'm starting to think the OS code based has patches to the compiler that may not be in opensim-libs.
2014-03-30 01:14 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  hrmm.. well overall the solution used follows the proper logic, but DAMN is it spread out 
2014-03-30 01:14 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  seems like this specific portion of code is deserving a thorough set of documentation accompanying it given its complexity.
2014-03-30 01:14 <Plugh> opensim-libs/trunk/managed/lsl2cs is the compiler stuff used by OS and the lsl2cs comes from the CSTools package from a third party.
2014-03-30 01:15 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  it does include source though right ?
2014-03-30 01:15 <Plugh> LuciusSir: Have you worked with Yacc/Bison and Lex/Flex before?
2014-03-30 01:15 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  no, i know what they do, but I only have looked at them
2014-03-30 01:15 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  do we really want to pull a rather annoying set of platform specific linux tools into opensim ?
2014-03-30 01:16 <Plugh> ok. The solution should involve some possible code changes but mostly I think some changes to the BNF may be needed.
2014-03-30 01:16 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  define BNF
2014-03-30 01:16 <Plugh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backus%E2%80%93Naur_Form
2014-03-30 01:17 <Plugh> Its the format of the input taken in by the tokenizer and by the program that generates code based on the expected language grammer.
2014-03-30 01:18 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  yeah but in looking at it it doesn't work that way in general, the generator has been hand written, and works off a metadata tree
2014-03-30 01:19 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  unless you're suggesting a complete overhaul
2014-03-30 01:20 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  or are you saying we seperate the tokenizer and metadata layer and rewrite the way it generates the code ?
2014-03-30 01:20 <Plugh> No, I'm suggesting changes to the underlying BNF may be all that is required. The stuff you are looking at shouldn't have been hand written. I bet it was originally generated from the BNF.
2014-03-30 01:20 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  it really does look handwritten to me... and specific customizations have been made at points to massage the metadata tree itself as well
2014-03-30 01:21 <Plugh> Do you have a copy of opensim-libs?
2014-03-30 01:21 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  no, i'm looking at what actually gets run.
2014-03-30 01:22 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  I traced through the portion which generates the cs code.
2014-03-30 01:23 <LuciusSir> Plugh: I can kind of see why 2000 additional bugs have come and gone since this one, it has a rather small ROI for the amount of overhaul it might require
2014-03-30 01:25 <Plugh> lsl.lexer.cs and lsl.parser.cs are generated files that originated from opensim-libs.
2014-03-30 01:25 <Plugh> lg.exe was used to process lsl.lexer and pg.exe was used to pg.parser
2014-03-30 01:26 <Plugh> The yyname and yyl variable names have their origins in Yacc and Lex.
2014-03-30 01:28 <LuciusSir> hold on let me find specifically what i was talking about
2014-03-30 01:29 <LuciusSir> CSCodeGenerator line 212
2014-03-30 01:29 <Plugh> Dang monodevelop crashed. hang on...
2014-03-30 01:31 <Plugh> I open that file and monodevelop pops up a dialog box with no text. I close the dialog box to get it out of the way and md crashes.
2014-03-30 01:31 <LuciusSir> nice
2014-03-30 01:31 <Plugh> ok, forget md. Let me find the source file from a command line.
2014-03-30 01:32 <Plugh> Line 212 is a blank line.
2014-03-30 01:33 <LuciusSir> what it does is that is the main method that gets called on all nodes of the metadata tree which represents the parse results from the lsl script
2014-03-30 01:33 <LuciusSir> well the method there plug
2014-03-30 01:33 <LuciusSir> is what what i'm referring to
2014-03-30 01:33 <LuciusSir> the problem is occurring in its call to the method GenerateAssignment which is at  Line 531
2014-03-30 01:34 <LuciusSir> Its not taking into account the position of the code in the generated cs file, and as such glocal identifiers in the lsl are being outputted as fields in the outputted cs class
2014-03-30 01:35 <LuciusSir> which is not a problem excepting that it is not outputting literals to replace the other fields being assigned to it
2014-03-30 01:35 <LuciusSir> so instead of  int i = 10;  int j=10; its outputting int i=j;
2014-03-30 01:36 <LuciusSir> it would seem like either this code needs isolated to a constructor override for the class
2014-03-30 01:36 <LuciusSir> ... which actually seems like the best way to do it.
2014-03-30 01:37 <LuciusSir> if a field is getting outputted from lsl to cs, initialization could be done the classes constructor with minimal rewrite. we just need to seperate that out somehow.
2014-03-30 01:47 <osmantis> Bug #7008:04 Varregion Terrain very slow to load when teleporting in. Much slower than same exact oars loaded on a mega region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7008 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007084.
2014-03-30 01:47 <osmantis> Bug #7084:04 after login directly on region cannot TP in the region until the whole terrain is loaded. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7084 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007008.
2014-03-30 01:48 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  shit i do see what you're saying though...
2014-03-30 01:48 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  the assignment class is generated... shit
2014-03-30 01:48 <smxy> Watch your damn language. :p
2014-03-30 01:48 <LuciusSir> haha fuck sorry
2014-03-30 01:48 <smxy> :)
2014-03-30 01:49 <Plugh> LuciusSir: I've worked with yacc/lex style parsing and code generation before.
2014-03-30 01:49 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  yeah i believe you, my point is the logic at this point...
2014-03-30 01:49 <LuciusSir> Plugh:   the data classes are generated but the use of them doesn't appear to be
2014-03-30 01:51 <Plugh> C# access i=j as global declaration. I wouldn't want to turn generation in to j=10 i was 10. Trying to modify that routine could get tricky as you would have to know what part of the code it was in to know how it is to output the C# code.
2014-03-30 01:51 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  unfortuantely that seems to be exactly the necessity we're encountering.
2014-03-30 01:51 <Plugh> Hm... I'm seeing differences in CSCodeGenerator.cs between OS and os-libs.
2014-03-30 01:52 <Plugh> Ah, found what I was looking for. lsl.parser has an entry for LSLProgramRoot.
2014-03-30 01:53 <LuciusSir> what position does this represent the first state encountered ?
2014-03-30 01:54 <Plugh> I need to brush up on some of the BNF syntax. This file is using some features I haven't seen before.
2014-03-30 01:54 <Plugh> yes, it would be the starting point.
2014-03-30 01:54 <Plugh> It is defined as 
2014-03-30 01:54 <Plugh>     : GlobalDefinitions:gd States:s %LSLProgramRoot(gd, s)
2014-03-30 01:54 <Plugh>     | States:s %LSLProgramRoot(s)
2014-03-30 01:55 <Plugh> It indicates GlobalDefinitions are optional.
2014-03-30 01:57 <LuciusSir> ok... so assignments occuring before that could be preprocessed to have their values relocated to a constructor then.
2014-03-30 02:01 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  I'm going to see what we're working with so far as outputted code currently.
2014-03-30 02:04 <osmantis> Bug #5023:04 LSL won't let you set a default value to another integer in a declaration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5023 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-30 02:05 <LuciusSir> ok so... if the lslprogramroot has not been reached by the time the assignment has been created..... well.......... wait
2014-03-30 02:07 <Plugh> It might help to know what tosses out the error message. There should be no need to change how the code is output. int b=a is perfectly acceptable to C#. The problem is the BNF may not be specified correctly to handle that type of assignment or the code generator may be checking if the stuff on the right has been defined and is not checking globally defined vars.
2014-03-30 02:07 <LuciusSir> we have to take into account bad coders which will place globals anywhere, there is a generatestate function meaning there is a generated State type, so if that is not the overall parent node...
2014-03-30 02:07 <LuciusSir> Plugh: its not exceptable for fields plugh
2014-03-30 02:07 <Plugh> If I can get the opensim-libs compiler working properly standalone that would make it easier to track down what change(s) may be needed.
2014-03-30 02:08 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  for declarations anyway, i'm just suggesting we determine the location of the assignment and if it isn't the child of a state, we move the assignment portion to the constuctor in the outputted c#
2014-03-30 02:09 <LuciusSir> oh god, problem is its a one-way tree structure there is no parent symbol being defined....
2014-03-30 02:09 <LuciusSir> so each node has no idea what its a child of.
2014-03-30 02:11 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  you are correct there
2014-03-30 02:12 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  would definitely allows us to trace better, i'll work on that for a second.
2014-03-30 02:15 -!- Wanderer_42(~kvirc@dslb-084-060-180-157.pools.arcor-ip.net) has left #opensim-dev
2014-03-30 02:18 <Plugh> Hm... I need to talk with Justin. He has made some changes to OS's CSCodeGenerator.cs file and those changes are not in the os-libs version.
2014-03-30 02:19 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  I was about to just go ahead and make a really quick winforms gui for the lsl compiler...
2014-03-30 02:19 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  and add a subscribable event to retrieve the outputted code...
2014-03-30 02:20 <Plugh> um... ok. I've heard of winforms. Know nothing about them.
2014-03-30 02:20 <LuciusSir> its .nets version of gtk
2014-03-30 02:20 <Plugh> k
2014-03-30 02:20 <LuciusSir> only not crappy
2014-03-30 02:20 <LuciusSir> lol
2014-03-30 02:21 <Plugh> :)
2014-03-30 02:21 <Plugh> I've done some programming using gtk+. Wasn't all that bad when I made use of Glade.
2014-03-30 02:21 <LuciusSir> This will take me like 10 mins I'll add a feature to mantis for it
2014-03-30 02:22 <LuciusSir> and add a patch.
2014-03-30 02:22 <Plugh> ok. I was just going to run the compiler from the command line.
2014-03-30 02:23 <LuciusSir> oh ugh 
2014-03-30 02:23 <LuciusSir> hey umm, how does git for windows work for creating patches ? and why did we migrate away from svn in the first place ? LOL
2014-03-30 02:24 <Plugh> git diff
2014-03-30 02:24 <LuciusSir> how about revert btw ?
2014-03-30 02:25 <LuciusSir> if i want to remove changes from my working copy ?
2014-03-30 02:25 <Plugh> Some people thought the git VCS system created by Linus Torvalds was really good and people started using it.
2014-03-30 02:26 <Plugh> git stash to temporarily save changes and get your tree back to the state of the upstream code. git stash pop to restore the changes.
2014-03-30 02:27 <LuciusSir> .... do i have to keep two local copies of the repo ?
2014-03-30 02:27 <Plugh> no
2014-03-30 02:31 <Plugh> You can make a local branch of the code.
2014-03-30 02:31 <LuciusSir> ... it uses vi to view diff's....
2014-03-30 02:32 <Plugh> When I need to use git on Windows I use TortoiseGit.
2014-03-30 02:32 <LuciusSir> i am too 
2014-03-30 02:32 <LuciusSir> not all the functions are in it yet
2014-03-30 02:32 <Plugh> ?
2014-03-30 02:32 <LuciusSir> nm
2014-03-30 02:33 <LuciusSir> ugh i hate change :P
2014-03-30 02:33 <LuciusSir> lol
2014-03-30 02:33 <Plugh> I'm not aware of any feature of git that is missing from TortoiseGIt.
2014-03-30 02:33 <Plugh> But I don't use git any more than I have to. ;)
2014-03-30 02:33 <LuciusSir> i cloned to a directory but that directory wasn't marked, the usbdirectory was lol
2014-03-30 02:34 <djphil> hi, what is it ? DefaultDwellModule
2014-03-30 02:37 <djphil> haha bien fait maintenant que t'envoie des mails pour signaler les regions off, tu dois aussi répondre aux past pour expliquer ce que c'est ce mail ^^
2014-03-30 02:37 <Plugh> djphil: It is supposed to generate some sort of region traffic statistic.
2014-03-30 02:38 <djphil> ha ok
2014-03-30 02:38 <djphil> you know how use iot ?
2014-03-30 02:38 <Plugh> No. I just heard it exists.
2014-03-30 02:38 <djphil> via url or script functions ?
2014-03-30 02:38 <djphil> k ty
2014-03-30 02:38 <Plugh> If it works similar to dwell in SL the statistic should appear inworld in About Land (?)
2014-03-30 02:39 <djphil> ha oki
2014-03-30 02:39 <Plugh> I have looked at where the stat is located in a while.
2014-03-30 02:39 <djphil> ha ok i see "Traffic" in about land ... maybee that
2014-03-30 02:39 <Plugh> yea. that.
2014-03-30 02:39 <Plugh> LuciusSir: I'm going afk for a while.
2014-03-30 02:39 <djphil> ok cool, tyvm
2014-03-30 02:39 <Plugh> djphil: yw
2014-03-30 02:40 <LuciusSir> okies dokey Plugh
2014-03-30 02:40 <LuciusSir> i almost feel the urge to sleep again heh
2014-03-30 02:40 <Plugh> Funny how you want to do that at least once a day. :)
2014-03-30 02:41 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  not me in all cases heh, not for very long at least anyway my days involve 3-4 hours of sleep most of them
2014-03-30 02:41 <LuciusSir> on the weekends i just want to lay down and die 
2014-03-30 02:44 <LuciusSir> aannnnndd the mantis page is down
2014-03-30 02:57 <H-H-H-PHONE> The default deell module will only ever return 0
2014-03-30 02:58 <H-H-H-PHONE> Unless a 3rd party module is used then it just returns 0 in the about land traffic 
2014-03-30 03:02 <LuciusSir> can you confirm H-H-H-PHONE that the mantis site is down currently ?
2014-03-30 03:05 <H-H-H-PHONE> Hmm it seems to be yeah
2014-03-30 03:06 <H-H-H-PHONE> Afk for a few
2014-03-30 07:28 <LuciusSir> how do i add contributed features ?
2014-03-30 12:24 <osmantis> Bug #7084:04 after login directly on region cannot TP in the region until the whole terrain is loaded. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7084 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-03-30 15:00 <SignpostMarv> I poked in #opensim last night with a support question; anyone free in here presently ?
2014-03-30 15:34 <Arielle_> about hypergrid clouding?
2014-03-30 15:37 <Arielle_> SignpostMarv ?
2014-03-30 16:41 <paulieflomar> Bueller?.... Bueller....?
2014-03-30 17:33 <Plugh> paulieflomar: He took the day off. ;)
2014-03-30 18:10 <SignpostMarv> Arielle: I borked my grid config while trying to get HGTP working :P
2014-03-30 19:08 <Arielle_> usually works right out of the box SignpostMarv 
2014-03-30 19:11 <Arielle_> other then tp's inside megas and pre .7.5 regions
2014-03-30 20:03 <SignpostMarv> 'tis a 0.7.6 install
2014-03-30 20:20 <Arielle_> what error you get when trying to jump?
2014-03-30 20:26 <SignpostMarv> couldn't jump at all before; links would fail, map search wouldn't work
2014-03-30 20:26 <SignpostMarv> now I've borked something completely, so I can't log in any more :P
2014-03-30 20:29 <Arielle_> i had a similar issue last week jumping to someone's modified grid. Couldnt log in  a couple days. Finally after  multiple restarts of both regions and robust i was finally able to. Never figured out what the issue was but i wont go back to that grid
2014-03-30 20:32 <Arielle_> whats the address, i will try jumping there
2014-03-30 20:32 <SignpostMarv> http://opensim.signpostmarv.name:8002
2014-03-30 20:37 <Arielle_> not found
2014-03-30 20:38 <Arielle_> whats the region name?
2014-03-30 20:38 <SignpostMarv> Sandbox 1
2014-03-30 20:38 <SignpostMarv> or Atoll Sandbox 1
2014-03-30 20:38 <SignpostMarv> I forget what I left it at :P
2014-03-30 20:40 <Arielle_> jumped to sandbox 1
2014-03-30 20:40 <SignpostMarv> question is whether you can rez or not now
2014-03-30 20:42 <Arielle_> did you set the Region_Welcome=?
2014-03-30 20:42 <SignpostMarv> hrm.
2014-03-30 20:42 <SignpostMarv> possibly not.
2014-03-30 20:43 <SignpostMarv> let me hop out of Diablo 3 and connect to the server
2014-03-30 20:44 <SignpostMarv> which config file ?
2014-03-30 20:46 <Plugh> LuciusSir: ping
2014-03-30 20:49 <Arielle_> i rezzed almost immediately upon arrival
2014-03-30 20:49 <Arielle_> at least to myself
2014-03-30 20:49 <SignpostMarv> I can't connect at all
2014-03-30 20:49 <Arielle_> terrain is white though
2014-03-30 20:50 <nebadon> lol
2014-03-30 20:50 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_JfB4YEan4
2014-03-30 20:50 <SignpostMarv> it gets mostly through the login process then hangs
2014-03-30 20:50 <nebadon> people have way to much time on their hands
2014-03-30 20:50 <nebadon> lol
2014-03-30 20:50 <Arielle_> region hanshake?
2014-03-30 20:50 <Arielle_> does it hang at that point?
2014-03-30 20:51 <SignpostMarv> yar
2014-03-30 20:51 <Arielle_> udp issue likely then
2014-03-30 20:51 <SignpostMarv> going to try commenting out the external hostname thing
2014-03-30 20:52 <Arielle_> but must be on your viewer machibe
2014-03-30 20:52 <Arielle_> because i  jumped with no issue
2014-03-30 20:52 <SignpostMarv> hrm.
2014-03-30 20:52 <SignpostMarv> I wonder if I have an IP address set in my hosts file....
2014-03-30 20:52 <Arielle_> you have wired and wireless connection to your router?
2014-03-30 20:53 <SignpostMarv> wired connection
2014-03-30 20:54 <Arielle_> one connection only though?
2014-03-30 20:54 <SignpostMarv> yup
2014-03-30 20:54 <Arielle_> maybe you have a loopback issue if it is on the same network
2014-03-30 20:54 <SignpostMarv> digital ocean vps
2014-03-30 20:56 <SignpostMarv> yay, changing external hostname worked
2014-03-30 20:56 <SignpostMarv> p.s.
2014-03-30 20:56 <SignpostMarv> megaprim, not white terrain :P
2014-03-30 20:56 <SignpostMarv> got a HGTP address for me to test ?
2014-03-30 20:57 <Arielle_> bound2.dyndns.org:8002:ari9
2014-03-30 20:57 <SignpostMarv> map search no worky
2014-03-30 20:58 <Arielle_> try the  mapto coomnd
2014-03-30 20:58 <Arielle_> command
2014-03-30 20:58 <SignpostMarv> whut ?
2014-03-30 20:59 <Arielle_> local chat
2014-03-30 20:59 <Arielle_> mapto bound2.dyndns.org:8002:ari9
2014-03-30 21:00 <SignpostMarv> nopes
2014-03-30 21:00 <Arielle_> trash the viewer and install a new one
2014-03-30 21:01 <SignpostMarv> i think my 64bit singu is more up-to-date than the 32bit that runs by default
2014-03-30 21:01 <Arielle_> not working for you so what good is it?
2014-03-30 21:02 <Arielle_> opensim.signpostmarv.name:8002:sandbox 1
2014-03-30 21:02 <Arielle_> oops
2014-03-30 21:09 <Trinity93> on a lighter note ....
2014-03-30 21:09 <Trinity93> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFdNgInXkyU some one asked me what tv show was most like second life and this is all i could come up with
2014-03-30 21:10 <SignpostMarv> so it looks like I have my grid config set up like a black hole
2014-03-30 21:10 <SignpostMarv> arielle can't tp out :P
2014-03-30 21:10 <Arielle_> :p
2014-03-30 21:10 <SignpostMarv> what configs are required for HG map search to work ?
2014-03-30 21:11 <SignpostMarv> ah
2014-03-30 21:11 <SignpostMarv> this might be handy....
2014-03-30 21:11 <SignpostMarv>     ;AllowHypergridMapSearch = true
2014-03-30 21:11 <SignpostMarv> is commented ¬_¬
2014-03-30 21:11 <Arielle_> are you using robust.ini vs robusthg.ini?
2014-03-30 21:12 <SignpostMarv> robusthg
2014-03-30 21:12 <SignpostMarv> going to restart server
2014-03-30 21:18 <SignpostMarv> forgot to change externalhostname to systemip again :P
2014-03-30 21:18 <SignpostMarv> ahah!
2014-03-30 21:18 <SignpostMarv> 21:18:35 - [HYPERGRID LINKER]: Please set this grid's Gatekeeper's address in [GridService]!
2014-03-30 21:19 <SignpostMarv> except it is set o_O
2014-03-30 21:20 <SignpostMarv> hrm.
2014-03-30 21:20 <SignpostMarv> might be on wrong port...
2014-03-30 21:24 <SignpostMarv> nope, changing port still gets hypergrid linker message
2014-03-30 21:29 <Arielle_> it is set in robusthg.ini, gridcommon.ini and  opensim.ini...or maybe last one  is just since .8
2014-03-30 21:33 <nebadon> new updated coaster at sisyphus on osgrid 
2014-03-30 21:35 <SignpostMarv> I should pastebin my configs at some point :P
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2014-03-30 23:10 <osmantis> Bug #1516:04 r 5059 - sitting on a default sphere chooses a different sit rotation than on LL grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-03-30 23:41 <nebadon> anyone have any clue what this is?
2014-03-30 23:41 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/wfLZ8BMf
2014-03-30 23:41 <nebadon> it happened when i restarted one of my regions as it was starting up
2014-03-30 23:41 <nebadon> right after map generation starte
2014-03-30 23:42 <danbanner> hmm
2014-03-30 23:42 <danbanner> messy
2014-03-30 23:51 <nebadon> Misterblue ping
2014-03-30 23:51 <nebadon> you need to see the new physical roller coaster at Sisyphus
2014-03-30 23:51 <nebadon> its awesome
2014-03-31 00:46 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7tYfQ1LYoA&hd=1
2014-03-31 00:56 <Plugh> nebadon: wow. That is incredible. I want to know how they managed to make that work when trying to get a vehicle to move is still a big issue.
2014-03-31 00:56 <nebadon> Bulletsim :)
2014-03-31 00:57 <nebadon> it will be full perms copyable soon
2014-03-31 00:57 <nebadon> for everyone
2014-03-31 01:05 <Plugh> ok, cool.
2014-03-31 01:07 <Plugh> I can picture a full amusement park with those scripts.
2014-03-31 01:41 <Plugh> nebadon: What is the script run time for the roller coaster when it is operating?
2014-03-31 01:48 <nebadon> not sure
2014-03-31 01:48 <nebadon> its mostly physical though Plugh
2014-03-31 01:48 <nebadon> its a car script
2014-03-31 01:48 <nebadon> with a torus wrapped around the beam so its locked onto track
2014-03-31 01:49 <Plugh> Interesting.
2014-03-31 02:07 <LuciusSir> gah, i hate repeats upon repeats upon repeats and people claiming its 2013
2014-03-31 02:07 <LuciusSir> 2014*
2014-03-31 02:24 <Plugh> LuciusSir: Found something interesting. The compiler in opensim-libs appears to generate valid code for int a=1; int b=a; and for list c = [a,b];
2014-03-31 02:25 <LuciusSir> so... when isolated you're saying it does that ?
2014-03-31 02:25 <LuciusSir> because if you notice my note in the issue its showing the code the generator outputs
2014-03-31 02:25 <LuciusSir> which is not taking into account that it is a field being created
2014-03-31 02:28 <Plugh> I'm just saying that the LSL to C# parser/code generator in opensim-libs appears to be doing the right thing.
2014-03-31 02:28 <LuciusSir> as its implemented or when you isolate it ?
2014-03-31 02:40 <Plugh> I'm running the LSL to C# code generator standalone.
2014-03-31 02:45 <Plugh> I should have copy the OpenSim compiler files to a new directory and build them standalone and compare the output to that of the one in opensim-libs.
2014-03-31 02:54 <Plugh> LuciusSir: Seeing the output from the code generator I think I understand why line numbers reported in errors messages are so wrong.
2014-03-31 03:09 <LuciusSir> Personally, like i said, if we could massage the output so that the fields' default values are set in the constructor in the sequence the fields occur in the lsl, we should have no issues.
2014-03-31 03:09 <LuciusSir> excepting issues as a result of badly written lsl
2014-03-31 03:10 <LuciusSir> this would have to of course keep track of scope. meaning either inside a state or outside of one where the declarations exist
2014-03-31 03:23 <Plugh> How do you know you will be getting it done in the right place and not affecting other parts of the code generation? It is probably the same code that is used for variables inside states and functions.
2014-03-31 03:24 <Plugh> bbl. Cat wants me... It's an evening thing he does. :P
2014-03-31 03:49 <LuciusSir> Plugh: it would involve adding a flag which determines these things and responding to it in the generation portion, adding a parent field to the symbol derivatives would be a nice start, and a function that determines if the assignment derivative is a child of a master node of 'state'.
2014-03-31 03:50 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  and honestly given the two parts that really control this it would not seem that there would be a way in which it would potentially affect other parts of the generation, it would require extension of the existing logic, and a prepocessing method which would write a new entry to a table which would represent the constructors body in serial order along with logic to replace the existing..
2014-03-31 03:51 <LuciusSir> Plugh: assignment nodes with declarations.  the opensim-libs would probably be the first part that needed modified, followed by their implementation in opensim.scriptengine.shared.codetools
2014-03-31 03:53 <LuciusSir> Plugh:  and how ? because its an extension not an overhaul, the parent information or flag stored in the symbol derivative 'assignment' would be unused by the vast majority of the implementation and the code which altered its placement would occur prior to generation of the cs code, and its results processed as part of an additional recursive call to generate() which would handle the resulting..
2014-03-31 03:53 <LuciusSir> Plugh: constructor's body specifically.
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2014-03-31 15:48 <danbanner> i wonder what this is about http://pastebin.com/QF63XZv3
2014-03-31 15:48 <danbanner> just standing still it popped up on console
2014-03-31 15:54 <nebadon> danbanner looks like network issue or something
2014-03-31 15:54 <nebadon> no route to host
2014-03-31 15:54 <danbanner> ya but i wonder to where?
2014-03-31 15:55 <nebadon> maybe a HG friend
2014-03-31 15:55 <danbanner> hmm
2014-03-31 15:55 <danbanner> strange it wouldnt at least print an address
2014-03-31 15:55 <nebadon> ya hard to say
2014-03-31 15:56 <H-H-H> ok whats the easyest and fastest way to return a region back to a newborn nip[ple
2014-03-31 15:56 <danbanner> load a nipple oar
2014-03-31 15:56 <H-H-H> ok i didnt know if thre was a reset command ?
2014-03-31 15:57 <danbanner> you could drop and recreate the db
2014-03-31 15:57 <nebadon> change the uuid
2014-03-31 15:58 <danbanner> ya that works too
2014-03-31 15:58 <H-H-H> simply changing the uuid in regions.ini should do it :)
2014-03-31 15:58 <nebadon> ya
2014-03-31 15:58 <danbanner> leaves stuff in the db tho
2014-03-31 15:59 <H-H-H> ok thanks folks i was playing with loading oars and seem to have managed to get 3 oars loaded on one region without useing merge :|
2014-03-31 15:59 <H-H-H> the old stuff didnt seem to disapear so im resetting the region and gonna retry
2014-03-31 16:35 <Plugh> You can use the command to return all items.
2014-03-31 16:41 <Plugh> Strange that nothing was removed. First thing I see happening when loading an oar file is the removal of any items that were in the region before the new stuff begins to appear.
2014-03-31 17:36 <SignpostMarv> 
ACTION waves

2014-03-31 17:37 <nebadon> hello SignpostMarv
2014-03-31 17:37 <SignpostMarv> how're things ?
2014-03-31 17:39 <nebadon> good, been busy
2014-03-31 17:40 <SignpostMarv> Yesterday I discovered with the help of Arielle that rather than forgetting to turn HGTP on, I had inadvertently configured my grid to by a HGTP black hole.
2014-03-31 17:40 <SignpostMarv> you can HGTP in, but you can't HGTP out
2014-03-31 17:41 <SignpostMarv> 'tis interesting.
2014-03-31 17:41 <SignpostMarv> I would've thought it'd either work two-way or not at all
2014-03-31 17:45 <SignpostMarv> where's the best place to read up on HG configuration goodness? I discovered some quite out-of-date stuff on the wiki yesterday.
2014-03-31 19:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #3441 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-03-31 19:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3441: SUCCESS in 6 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3441/
2014-03-31 19:57 <osjenkins> bluewall: Add check to prevent the return of a wrong value when key is NULL_KEY
2014-03-31 21:00 <osmantis> Bug #7085:04 Console command to rename Estate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7085 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-03-31 21:01 <osmantis> Bug #7085:04 [PATCH] Console command to rename Estate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7085 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-03-31 21:18 <dahlia> not sure if anyone here knew Dirk Talamasca but: http://danielvoyager.wordpress.com/2014/03/31/dirk-talamasca-has-passed-away/
2014-03-31 21:32 <BlueWall_> :(
2014-03-31 22:44 <paulie_flomar> I didnt know Dirk, but it's sad to hear of anyone passing away.
2014-03-31 23:12 <dahlia> GRRRRR the affordable care act web sites are a disaster *grumbles*
2014-03-31 23:13 <LuciusSir> hahaha
2014-03-31 23:15 <lkalif> dahlia: I knew Dirk :(
2014-03-31 23:15 <dahlia> me too :(
2014-03-31 23:20 <osmantis> Bug #7085:04 [PATCH] Console command to rename Estate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7085 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-03-31 23:46 <BlueWall_> ~~
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2014-04-01 12:01 <osmantis> Bug #7084:04 after login directly on region cannot TP in the region until the whole terrain is loaded. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7084 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-04-01 13:17 <osmantis> Bug #7085:04 [PATCH] Console command to rename Estate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7085 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-01 14:51 <osmantis> Bug #7085:04 [PATCH] Console command to rename Estate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7085 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-01 18:12 <osmantis> Bug #7084:04 after login directly on region cannot TP in the region until the whole terrain is loaded. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7084 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-04-01 18:12 <osmantis> Bug #7080:04 Avatar outside root region on mega region creates a flashing screen and avatar get shoot into sky or seems to have some burry ef 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7080 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-04-01 18:30 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-04-01 18:32 <osmantis> Bug #7050:04 Region crossing while sitting on a prim causes region crash, when returning to original origin region only 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7050 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-04-01 19:03 <osmantis> Bug #6458:04 Uploading an animation causes avatar physics to stop functioning until reloag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6458 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-01 19:04 <osmantis> Bug #6895:04 occasional console "hang" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6895 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2014-04-01 21:22 <Plugh> I have several linked prims and want an avatar to choose which on which prim they will sit. The avatar keeps going to one particular prim on sit. Do I need some sort of script to let them pick where they can sit?
2014-04-01 21:24 <Plugh> oh, sure. I unlinked the prims, relinked them and now it is working. :P
2014-04-01 21:25 <Plugh> hm... not quite. Works for some seats and not others.
2014-04-01 21:35 <Plugh> Hm... it won't let me pick the room prim for sitting.
2014-04-01 21:35 <Plugh> s/room/root/
2014-04-01 21:36 <Plugh> No, that isn't the problem. grr.
2014-04-01 21:40 <nebadon> huh thats odd
2014-04-01 21:41 <nebadon> you need the script in the prim your sitting on
2014-04-01 21:41 <nebadon> the couch at wright plaza is all linked up
2014-04-01 21:41 <nebadon> and that seems to work ok Plugh
2014-04-01 21:41 <nebadon> if the script is in the root prim then you need to do those magic sit things
2014-04-01 21:41 <nebadon> which I have never really used, i know they exist though
2014-04-01 21:42 <Plugh> I just linked the seats to the main object so the seats are no longer the room prim.
2014-04-01 21:42 <nebadon> hmm that should work then
2014-04-01 21:42 <nebadon> thats all I did at Wright Plaza too that couch was unlinked for the longest time
2014-04-01 21:42 <nebadon> because it was problematic having it linked
2014-04-01 21:43 <Plugh> I can sit on 7 of 8 seats. One seat I can't sit on.
2014-04-01 21:45 <Plugh> Perhaps this is an 076 issue.
2014-04-02 00:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #3442 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-02 00:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3442: SUCCESS in 3 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3442/
2014-04-02 00:05 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix problem where moving an object to another region on the same simulator was failing, with the object returning to its original position.
2014-04-02 00:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #3443 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-04-02 00:09 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: disable logging in recently added scene object crossing tests and remove some unnecessary test config
2014-04-02 00:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #3444 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-02 00:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3444: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3444/
2014-04-02 00:13 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Only calculate fetched usedPrims and simulatorCapacity info in PrimLimitsModule.CanObjectEnter() when we know for sure that we need them.
2014-04-02 00:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #3445 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-02 00:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3445: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3445/
2014-04-02 00:25 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Console command to rename Estate
2014-04-02 00:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #3446 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-04-02 00:29 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: remove EstateManagmentCommands.m_commander that has been unused for some time
2014-04-02 00:29 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: minor: comment out currently unused RegionCombinerModule.LogHeader
2014-04-02 00:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #3447 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-02 00:32 <Dev_Random> justincc: if you're doing some code cleanup, you might want to look at SunModule.cs @ line 566.  Looks like those statements should probably be outside the switch....
2014-04-02 00:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3447: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3447/
2014-04-02 00:33 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Removing warning from SceneObjectLinkingTests.TestLinkDelink2SceneObjects() by actually checking whether delinked grp3 is not null
2014-04-02 00:33 <Dev_Random> (unreachable code)
2014-04-02 00:34 <justinccAfk> I see what you mean.  git blame says cmickeyb was responsible :)
2014-04-02 00:34 <cmickeyb> uh oh
2014-04-02 00:34 <Dev_Random> s'okay.. nobody noticed
2014-04-02 00:34 <justincc> you put some unreachable code at the bottom of SunModule.SetSunParameter() :)
2014-04-02 00:35 <cmickeyb> given how bad it was before...
2014-04-02 00:35 <cmickeyb> i'll accept the blame
2014-04-02 00:35 <justincc> ha
2014-04-02 00:35 <cmickeyb> can't understand how no one noticed that the sun didnt move for YEARS
2014-04-02 00:35 <cmickeyb> :-)
2014-04-02 00:35 <justincc> sometimes, I've found that people never say anything about really major bugs
2014-04-02 00:36 <justincc> I presume every is used to it and assumes all the devs know, when that's not always the case in a system like this
2014-04-02 00:36 <cmickeyb> "i just assumed thats how it was supposed to work"
2014-04-02 00:36 <justincc> that too
2014-04-02 00:36 <Dev_Random> like negative terrain elevations?
2014-04-02 00:36 <danbanner> the sun wasnt moving?
2014-04-02 00:36 <justincc> yeah, they're bad.  They appear to work but then you meet lots of little bugs in the viewer
2014-04-02 00:37 <justincc> as linden doesn't allow them
2014-04-02 00:37 <cmickeyb> no dan
2014-04-02 00:37 <Arielle_> or maybe it is a viewer config i am not setting right
2014-04-02 00:37 <cmickeyb> danbanner, it would change on login and never ever after
2014-04-02 00:37 <danbanner> ahh
2014-04-02 00:37 <cmickeyb> you never got any updates
2014-04-02 00:37 <danbanner> explains a few things
2014-04-02 00:37 <cmickeyb> once you got the initial position
2014-04-02 00:37 <cmickeyb> it does work now
2014-04-02 00:37 <danbanner> nice
2014-04-02 00:37 <cmickeyb> even if there are a few... "loose ends"
2014-04-02 00:38 <cmickeyb> justincc, if you want me to look at it... add something in mantis
2014-04-02 00:38 <cmickeyb> gotta head out for tonight
2014-04-02 00:38 <justincc> cmickeyb: perhaps you can just say whether those statements should be outside the switch?
2014-04-02 00:38 <justincc> or is it more complex?
2014-04-02 00:39 <cmickeyb> i could be it will have to be later
2014-04-02 00:39 <cmickeyb> there was a lot of code in there that got removed
2014-04-02 00:39 <justincc> ok no worries, I'll set up a mantis for you
2014-04-02 00:39 <cmickeyb> thanks
2014-04-02 00:41 <justincc> unless Dev_Random wants do the honours ;)
2014-04-02 00:41 <justincc> though tbh, I've already started filling out this form...
2014-04-02 00:41 <Dev_Random> I'll wait this one out
2014-04-02 00:42 <Dev_Random> I'm busily trying to figure out how to properly add console commands....
2014-04-02 00:42 <justincc> a lot of this stuff is pretty complex
2014-04-02 00:43 <justincc> not really so great for something which you think should be quite simple
2014-04-02 00:44 <Dev_Random> the command part seems pretty straightforward.. .my real problem is dynamically updating all the affected regions when estate data changes.
2014-04-02 00:45 <justincc> isn't that done automatically?  It's convoluted code but a change to one looks like it is eventually propgated to other regions via XEstateConnector
2014-04-02 00:46 <osmantis> Bug #7086:04 Unused code at the bottom of SunModule.SetSunParameter(string param, double value) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7086 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-02 00:47 <Dev_Random> Scene.RegionInfo.estateSettings  wasn't auto-updating.  
2014-04-02 00:47 <Dev_Random> (that's the //HACK I left in the code)
2014-04-02 00:51 <justincc> that's not being hit via TriggerEstateInfoChange() in EstateManagmentModule.SetEstateOwner()?
2014-04-02 00:51 <Dev_Random> no
2014-04-02 00:51 <Dev_Random> I believe that only updates the region in the current scene.... 
2014-04-02 00:52 <Dev_Random> and sometimes the first scene in the list wasn't the one being changed
2014-04-02 00:52 <justincc> The code in XEstateConnector.SendUpdateEstate() doesn't make all local regions for that estate reload their estate settings as the comment suggests?
2014-04-02 00:53 <Dev_Random> maybe I used it wrong.
2014-04-02 00:53 <Dev_Random> I do that sometimes.
2014-04-02 00:54 <justincc> I read through the code triggered by your patch down to there since I wanted to see how you were handling updating other regions.  It looked to me that it should work though I didn't test (which takes a lot of time :).  But it doesn't?
2014-04-02 00:54 <justincc> and your hack was necessary?
2014-04-02 00:54 <Dev_Random> seemed to be.
2014-04-02 00:55 <justincc> huh, maybe there's some subtlety that I missed or some kind of bug
2014-04-02 00:55 <justincc> that estate update stuff is used a lot in the module so I kind of assumed it would work
2014-04-02 00:55 <justincc> but maybe there's some issue if called directly rather than via the viewer
2014-04-02 00:56 <Dev_Random> the updates to clients seemed okay.  and the db was changed... but "show estates" wasnt showing the change
2014-04-02 00:56 <Dev_Random> * estate show *
2014-04-02 00:56 <justincc> odd, I would expect Scene.ReloadEstateData() to have done that/  As you can see, it reloads estate settings from the estateDataService
2014-04-02 00:57 <justincc> and triggers a sun update which isn't really necessary in these cases
2014-04-02 00:59 <Dev_Random> but only for the current scene... which was sometimes not the one affected by the estate change (once I added estate ID)
2014-04-02 00:59 <justincc> I'm surprised that code isn't fanning it out - perhaps there's a bug
2014-04-02 01:00 <Dev_Random> PEBKAC is always a possibility.  I'm still exploratory programming too....
2014-04-02 01:00 <justincc> yeah, it's not straightforward stuff
2014-04-02 01:05 <osmantis> Bug #7085:04 [PATCH] Console command to rename Estate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7085 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-02 01:05 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-02 01:06 <osmantis> Bug #7043:04 llSensor gives wrong Avatarposition, when sitting on a childprim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7043 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-02 01:06 <osmantis> Bug #7043:04 llSensor gives wrong Avatarposition, when sitting on a childprim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7043 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-02 01:07 <osmantis> Bug #7050:04 Region crossing while sitting on a prim causes region crash, when returning to original origin region only 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7050 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-02 01:08 <osmantis> Bug #6961:04 Install error during MIGRATIONS  -- SQL error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6961 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-04-02 01:08 <osmantis> Bug #7011:04 Multiple attachments do not work with NPCs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7011 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-02 01:18 <osmantis> Bug #7050:04 Region crossing while sitting on a prim causes region crash, when returning to original origin region only 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7050 ): has been ACKNOWLEDGED.
2014-04-02 02:40 <osmantis> Bug #7086:04 Unused code at the bottom of SunModule.SetSunParameter(string param, double value) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7086 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-02 02:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #3448 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-02 02:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3448: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3448/
2014-04-02 02:52 <osjenkins> cmickeyb: fix orphaned code in sun module per mantis 7068
2014-04-02 02:53 <osmantis> Bug #7086:04 Unused code at the bottom of SunModule.SetSunParameter(string param, double value) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7086 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-02 02:53 <osmantis> Bug #7086:04 Unused code at the bottom of SunModule.SetSunParameter(string param, double value) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7086 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-02 04:44 <osmantis> Bug #7087:04 Move new Estate commands to OpenSim.cs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7087 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-02 04:46 <osmantis> Bug #7087:04 [PATCH] Move new Estate commands to OpenSim.cs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7087 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-04-02 06:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #3449 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-02 06:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3449: FAILURE in 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3449/
2014-04-02 06:04 <osjenkins> * orenh: Added assets service method AssetsExist(), which returns whether the given list of assets exist.
2014-04-02 06:04 <osjenkins> * orenh: Fixed the "Update Asset" handler: it was looking for the Asset ID in the wrong parameter.
2014-04-02 06:04 <osjenkins> * orenh: Fixed last-resort sending of error response (HTTP 500) when an error occurs while handling a request.
2014-04-02 06:04 <osjenkins> * orenh: Better string matching when searching for REST handlers: must match an entire path component (ending with '/' or a similar character).
2014-04-02 06:15 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-02 06:16 <orenh> Hey, anyone up?
2014-04-02 06:16 <orenh> jenkins gives me this error: "The type or namespace name `HashSet' could not be found. Are you missing a using directive or an assembly reference?"
2014-04-02 06:16 <orenh> But the module IS using the required assembly, which is just 'System'
2014-04-02 06:16 <orenh> and other modules also use HashSet and they don't have any problems
2014-04-02 06:19 <orenh> ok, I think it wants System.Core
2014-04-02 06:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #3450 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #3448 3 hr 32 min ago)
2014-04-02 06:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3450: STILL FAILING in 3 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3450/
2014-04-02 06:25 <osjenkins> orenh: Added System.Core reference to MSSQL
2014-04-02 07:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #3451 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #3448 4 hr 11 min ago)
2014-04-02 07:04 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2014-04-02 07:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3451: FIXED in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3451/
2014-04-02 07:04 <osjenkins> * orenh: Made the SQLite unit tests work on Windows (sqlite3.dll wasn't being loaded)
2014-04-02 07:04 <osjenkins> * orenh: Fixed AssetsExist in SQLite
2014-04-02 12:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #3452 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2014-04-02 12:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3452: SUCCESS in 3 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3452/
2014-04-02 12:41 <osjenkins> orenh: Made GetScenePresence() case-insensitive when searching by user name. This makes it easier to use console commands such as "show appearance".
2014-04-02 13:36 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-02 14:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #3453 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-02 14:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3453: SUCCESS in 3 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3453/
2014-04-02 14:18 <osjenkins> orenh: String matching in REST handlers: must allow '-' as a separator, because the "/map" handler uses it
2014-04-02 15:40 <Plugh> Is it possible to partially(?) configure a grid to allow "email" between objects but not to allow messages to be sent off-world to real SMTP mail servers?
2014-04-02 15:59 <nebadon> not by any built in features I know of Plugh
2014-04-02 15:59 <nebadon> you would probably need to write something to act as a quasi smtp server that would only speak to simulators
2014-04-02 15:59 <nebadon> remember too email is outbound only
2014-04-02 15:59 <nebadon> i dont know of any open and available pop3 modules for opensimulator
2014-04-02 16:00 <nebadon> im not even sure Avination has such functionality if they do I have not heard about it, they may though
2014-04-02 16:00 <AllenKerensky> is there any reason to use email/SMTP over HTTP these days for something like this?
2014-04-02 16:00 <nebadon> I would personally say no
2014-04-02 16:00 <nebadon> but people who have scripts from SL probably would say yes
2014-04-02 16:01 <nebadon> like network vendors and such
2014-04-02 16:01 <nebadon> its usually not a trivial task to rewrite these things to use completely new methods, sometimes its almost easier to just start 100% over 
2014-04-02 16:02 <AllenKerensky> probably simple to setup postfix on linux to handle region email - but not something I've bothered with
2014-04-02 16:02 <AllenKerensky> I can only assume Windows servers have some fun MAPI tricks that can be pulled too
2014-04-02 16:03 <nebadon> ya probably
2014-04-02 16:04 <nebadon> but that would not solve the inbound problem
2014-04-02 16:04 <nebadon> and if Plugh does implement what he suggests it would need to be some how made so that you cant actually email users
2014-04-02 16:05 <nebadon> it could get confusing that one thing works while other doesnt
2014-04-02 16:05 <nebadon> your basically opening pandoras box at that point
2014-04-02 16:05 <AllenKerensky> I thought SecondLife email stuff was object only - users had "object mailboxes"
2014-04-02 16:06 <nebadon> maybe it is now its been many years since i used these functions in SL
2014-04-02 16:06 <AllenKerensky> i vaguely remember placing an object that acted as the email interface - but you were really emailing hte object
2014-04-02 16:06 <nebadon> literally like 6-7 years now
2014-04-02 16:07 <Plugh> I've been getting requests from people about wanting to use the email functions in their scripts. I think it might be for networked vendors or so they can be contacted via email if they aren't in world.
2014-04-02 16:07 <nebadon> there used to be a way to email users
2014-04-02 16:07 <AllenKerensky> personally, I think LL missed a bet by not making a custom notecard UI  with To/From/Subj/Body and using avatar identity for mail
2014-04-02 16:07 <nebadon> maybe that was not via LSL though
2014-04-02 16:07 <Plugh> One person I'm talking with now wants to be able to reply to the email and have the reply directed to the avatar.
2014-04-02 16:07 <nebadon> it was via offline messages
2014-04-02 16:07 <nebadon> anyway on an open grid
2014-04-02 16:07 <nebadon> you need to be extremely careful allowing email functions
2014-04-02 16:08 <nebadon> because you expose every email address in your user database
2014-04-02 16:08 <AllenKerensky> oh yeah - spam city
2014-04-02 16:08 <Plugh> I know. That is why I haven't enabled it yet.
2014-04-02 16:08 <nebadon> if its a closed grid then you are much safer
2014-04-02 16:08 <nebadon> on OSgrid we had to remove email storage from the Grid database
2014-04-02 16:08 <AllenKerensky> well the LSL wiki still shows the same old object scripting calls - llEmail, llGetNextEmail and the email event
2014-04-02 16:08 <nebadon> and create a totally new table unexposed to robust for email address storage
2014-04-02 16:09 <nebadon> because Revolution Smythe demonstrated sucking out the entire grids email addresses via a region
2014-04-02 16:09 <Plugh> I'm talking about its use in a closed grid. I don't see how the two email functions expose anything other than an email address of the grid itself.
2014-04-02 16:09 <nebadon> ya for object to object it would not
2014-04-02 16:09 <nebadon> but for offline messaging it does
2014-04-02 16:09 <nebadon> im not sure how easily the two can be seperated with the built in SMTP module
2014-04-02 16:10 <nebadon> but like i said in closed grid its not a problem
2014-04-02 16:10 <Plugh> I do offline IM to email now. Mostly for group notices. The recipipent gets the name of the avatar who originated the message and the "do-not-reply" address of the grid mail server. That's it.
2014-04-02 16:10 <nebadon> ya for you it should be fine
2014-04-02 16:11 <AllenKerensky> yeah it was uuidkey@lsl.secondlife.com as an object inbox - avatar uuid did nothing so you needed something like the object dynamic DNS to map current email object uuid to avatar name outside of SecondLife
2014-04-02 16:11 <nebadon> ya it would make more sense to me to not use smtp for llEmail
2014-04-02 16:12 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: Right. I've seen reference to that. I still am not sure how to allow that without enabling outgoing messages to regular email.
2014-04-02 16:12 <nebadon> but to make some kind of HTTP service as a gobetween
2014-04-02 16:12 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-04-02 16:12 <Plugh> That would allow it to control where messages are sent.
2014-04-02 16:13 <nebadon> maybe even have it check your database to make sure its originating from a region on your grid
2014-04-02 16:14 <nebadon> though i guess you could do the same thing with firewall rules too
2014-04-02 16:14 <nebadon> that takes a bit more manual labor though
2014-04-02 16:14 <nebadon> probably more efficient than constantly doing database lookups though
2014-04-02 16:15 <nebadon> definitely needs some kind of limiter though
2014-04-02 16:15 <nebadon> that is ripe for abuse
2014-04-02 16:15 <Plugh> Inbound email can be redirected to a process that could direct the messages. That is easily doable but still also needs some sort of filter.
2014-04-02 16:15 <AllenKerensky> or tie it to the paypal module - paytomail *laughing*
2014-04-02 16:16 <nebadon> lol
2014-04-02 16:16 <Plugh> :)
2014-04-02 16:17 <nebadon> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlEmail
2014-04-02 16:17 <nebadon> the SL wiki example script for this
2014-04-02 16:17 <nebadon> seems to imply that you can email anyone with llEmail
2014-04-02 16:17 <Plugh> I need get the staff member(s) who handle the website to add something about the mail functions to the FAQ.
2014-04-02 16:18 <Plugh> Right. You can put anything in the to address.
2014-04-02 16:18 <nebadon> this is what i was talking about earlier too some people may expect that functionality
2014-04-02 16:18 <Plugh> Right
2014-04-02 16:18 <Plugh> With several people having asked about it, it does appear they expect it.
2014-04-02 16:21 <Plugh> It would be nice if there was a way to separate mail between objects from regular outgoing (SMTP-based) mail messages.
2014-04-02 16:23 <nebadon> ya thats the tough part
2014-04-02 16:23 <nebadon> that might require new OSSL functions
2014-04-02 16:24 <nebadon> but really using SMTP for object to object seems very inefficient way to do it to me
2014-04-02 16:24 <nebadon> need something like osObjectToObject
2014-04-02 16:25 <nebadon> thats pure HTTP
2014-04-02 16:26 <nebadon> ideally it would have some kind of switch to say Local Grid only or HG 
2014-04-02 16:28 <Dev_Random> pure http could be an issue if a region is offline.... smtp could easily offer more of a "guaranteed delivery"
2014-04-02 16:28 <Dev_Random> if that matters
2014-04-02 16:28 <nebadon> not really
2014-04-02 16:28 <nebadon> you could store messages in a DB
2014-04-02 16:28 <nebadon> and have region check on startup
2014-04-02 16:28 <Dev_Random> true.  I meant "out of the box"
2014-04-02 16:28 <nebadon> basically function like offline messages
2014-04-02 16:29 <nebadon> probably should be stored at the region level
2014-04-02 16:30 <nebadon> so if the sending region doesnt get a received response it stores and tries again later 
2014-04-02 16:30 <Dev_Random> yeah.  and really, guaranteed might not matter... just a consideration
2014-04-02 16:32 <nebadon> could maybe even be setup to work like estates
2014-04-02 16:32 <nebadon> where you can have a local storage
2014-04-02 16:32 <nebadon> or centralized storage for the entire grid
2014-04-02 16:33 <nebadon> ok well I need to run for a bit be back later
2014-04-02 17:10 <Plugh> Interesting. I couldn't sit on one particular prim in a link set yesterday but I can today. 
2014-04-02 17:21 <H-H-H> Plugh PING
2014-04-02 17:48 <Plugh> H-H-H: poing
2014-04-02 17:48 <Plugh> -i
2014-04-02 18:43 <H-H-H> sorry i was afk , i just wondered if you had looked at opensim email module to do your object to object emails
2014-04-02 18:45 <H-H-H> i use a hybrid of the internel email module and the openim email module 
2014-04-02 19:08 <Plugh> Missed H-H-H. Good thought to check out that module.
2014-04-02 19:49 <Arielle_> Plugh maybe this php stuff might be useful for the e-mail thing? https://plus.google.com/100947796198621945087/posts/B4k3GPxiP9F
2014-04-02 20:51 <Arielle_> nod
2014-04-02 20:56 <Plugh> Arielle_: I see a link to a search and a welcome page script. Nothing for email.
2014-04-02 21:00 <Arielle_> nothing  specific for  e-mail but maybe could be incorporated
2014-04-02 21:00 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-04-02 21:00 <Arielle_> supposed t be object to php
2014-04-02 21:01 <Plugh> Arielle_: Thanks. I've saved the receivingdatafromwebsite thing and have grabbed a copy of the email module.
2014-04-02 21:01 <Plugh> email module from Forge.
2014-04-02 21:01 <Plugh> Yay. More stuff to look at/modify. :P
2014-04-02 21:16 <SignpostMarv> so I has silly idea
2014-04-02 21:16 <SignpostMarv> as I often do.
2014-04-02 21:16 <SignpostMarv> are there any external/third-party tools for generating IAR files ?
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2014-04-02 23:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #3454 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-04-02 23:24 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix bug where crossing to a neighbouring region and back again would trigger an exception, and a second recross would stop the user moving until relog
2014-04-02 23:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #3455 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-04-02 23:31 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Don't clear avsToCross in SOG.AbsolutePosition.set(), this is unnecessary since the structure is local and never reused after the clear
2014-04-02 23:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #3456 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-04-02 23:38 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Wrap contents of ETM.CrossAgentToNewRegionAsync() in try/catch to avoid a failure terminating simulators running on Windows
2014-04-02 23:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #3457 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-04-02 23:42 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Fix warning in AvatarFactoryModule
2014-04-03 00:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #3458 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-04-03 00:20 <osjenkins> jjustincc: refactor: Use m_sittingAvatars to maintain the list of sitting avatars instead of two independent structures that do exactly the same thing
2014-04-03 00:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #3459 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-04-03 00:27 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Remove redundant part.SitTargetAvatar setting from SP.MakeRootAgent as part.AddSittingAvatar already does this.
2014-04-03 01:59 <newbie> mannn i am soooooo restless
2014-04-03 08:44 <zadark> Calling opensimulator.org support. Site is down.
2014-04-03 11:24 <nebadon> zadark it is back thanks 
2014-04-03 12:04 <osmantis> Bug #7088:04 llRequestAgentData() cache code broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7088 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-03 12:06 <osmantis> Bug #7088:04 llRequestAgentData() cache code broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7088 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-03 12:09 <osmantis> Bug #7088:04 llRequestAgentData() cache code broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7088 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-04-03 12:30 <nebadon> incase anyone is wondering why opensimulator.org keeps going offline it seems we have finally pinpointed the issue, its the Lucene search engine the wiki uses, Melanie is going to take a closer look and hopefully make things right on Sunday, she is currently traveling
2014-04-03 12:51 <nebadon> anyone have any clue what a region would be spewing this > [REST CLIENT]: Resource not found (404)
2014-04-03 13:02 <nebadon> orenh ping
2014-04-03 13:02 <orenh> hi
2014-04-03 13:02 <nebadon> hey
2014-04-03 13:02 <nebadon> lately I have been seeing this
2014-04-03 13:03 <nebadon> [REST CLIENT]: Resource not found (404)
2014-04-03 13:03 <nebadon> as soon as my region starts loading assets on statup
2014-04-03 13:03 <nebadon> I asked melanie what she thought, as she said you had been in this area recently
2014-04-03 13:03 <nebadon> any idea whats going on here
2014-04-03 13:03 <nebadon> my region is constantly spewing this message
2014-04-03 13:04 <orenh> I added a REST endpoint, but it's unlikely to be the cause because that API isn't used at region startup
2014-04-03 13:04 <orenh> try running "debug http all 6" on the region, before the errors happen
2014-04-03 13:04 <orenh> that will show what it's calling (hopefully)
2014-04-03 13:04 <nebadon> I cant
2014-04-03 13:04 <nebadon> it happens before the region is even started
2014-04-03 13:05 <nebadon> 05:51:47 - [SCENE]: Loading land objects from storage
2014-04-03 13:05 <nebadon> 05:51:47 - [REST CLIENT]: Resource not found (404)
2014-04-03 13:05 <nebadon> 05:51:47 - [REST CLIENT]: Resource not found (404)
2014-04-03 13:05 <nebadon> 05:51:47 - [REST CLIENT]: Resource not found (404)
2014-04-03 13:05 <nebadon> 05:51:48 - [REST CLIENT]: Resource not found (404)
2014-04-03 13:05 <nebadon> 05:51:48 - [REST CLIENT]: Resource not found (404)
2014-04-03 13:05 <nebadon> 05:51:48 - [REST CLIENT]: Resource not found (404)
2014-04-03 13:05 <nebadon> 05:51:48 - [REST CLIENT]: Resource not found (404)
2014-04-03 13:05 <nebadon> 05:51:48 - [REST CLIENT]: Resource not found (404)
2014-04-03 13:05 <nebadon> and then i get spurts like this every so often
2014-04-03 13:07 <nebadon> anyway it doesnt seem to be causing any actual problems as far as I can tell, other than lots of console spew
2014-04-03 13:07 <nebadon> after 24 hours I go back to the console and there are 100s of these
2014-04-03 13:09 <orenh> I just checked the code, and unfortunately "debug http all 6" won't show what's happening because RestClient doesn't use WebUtil, which implements that debugging
2014-04-03 13:09 <orenh> but there are only 2 places where RestClient is used:
2014-04-03 13:09 <orenh> to get assets
2014-04-03 13:09 <orenh> and for data snapshots
2014-04-03 13:09 <orenh> I'm guessing if it was assets then nothing would work
2014-04-03 13:09 <nebadon> ok i dont have datasnapshot enabled I dont think
2014-04-03 13:09 <orenh> so it's probably the data snapshots
2014-04-03 13:10 <nebadon> hmm ok let me check
2014-04-03 13:10 <nebadon> ya I dont even have datasnapshots enabled in OpenSim.ini
2014-04-03 13:10 <nebadon> and like i said it starts happening as soon as the scene starts loading objects
2014-04-03 13:10 <nebadon> to me that says assets
2014-04-03 13:11 <orenh> I'll add some error checking
2014-04-03 13:11 <orenh> I mean, better error messages
2014-04-03 13:11 <nebadon> k thanks
2014-04-03 13:13 <nebadon> you know though you may be right about datasnapshot
2014-04-03 13:13 <nebadon> that lends to the fact that its happening in cycles
2014-04-03 13:13 <nebadon> but why would it happen if i am not actually using datasnapshots
2014-04-03 13:13 <nebadon> you do mean the [DataSnapshots] section in OpenSim.ini right?
2014-04-03 13:13 <nebadon> or something else?
2014-04-03 13:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #3460 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-03 13:17 <orenh> I just saw that DataSnapshotManager.NotifyDataServices uses RestClient
2014-04-03 13:17 <nebadon> orenh its missing assets
2014-04-03 13:18 <orenh> try the version I just pushed
2014-04-03 13:18 <nebadon> 06:17:34 - [REST CLIENT]: Resource not found (404): http://grid.avacon.org:8003/assets/197be216-be78-4b3e-9994-ef7ee510edce/data
2014-04-03 13:18 <nebadon> i did
2014-04-03 13:19 <nebadon> it spews the same block of 404s twice on startup
2014-04-03 13:19 <nebadon> once when its loading objects
2014-04-03 13:19 <nebadon> then again right as Logins Enabled prints on console
2014-04-03 13:20 <orenh> this URL works: http://grid.avacon.org:8003/assets/00000000-0000-1111-9999-000000000001/data
2014-04-03 13:20 <orenh> so it looks like that asset is truly missing
2014-04-03 13:20 <nebadon> ya it probably is
2014-04-03 13:20 <nebadon> by why on earth does it spew this constantly?
2014-04-03 13:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3460: SUCCESS in 4 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3460/
2014-04-03 13:21 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Fix problem with floating avatar by passing avatar size information
2014-04-03 13:21 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: make avatar physical shape to be a rectangle rather than
2014-04-03 13:21 <osjenkins> * orenh: When teleporting using Hypergrid, show more informative error messages in case of error
2014-04-03 13:21 <osjenkins> * orenh: Better error messages in RestClient
2014-04-03 13:22 <orenh> the assets service is supposed to return 404 for missing assets
2014-04-03 13:23 <orenh> but RestClient shouldn't log an error
2014-04-03 13:23 <orenh> since this return value is valid
2014-04-03 13:24 <nebadon> ok looking back in the logs
2014-04-03 13:24 <nebadon> its happening every 2 hours
2014-04-03 13:24 <nebadon> like clockwork
2014-04-03 13:24 <nebadon> wtf
2014-04-03 13:25 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/7xUpmBHg
2014-04-03 13:25 <nebadon> look
2014-04-03 13:26 <nebadon> the default datasnapshot timer is 1200ms so its not that
2014-04-03 13:27 <nebadon> in OpenSimDefaults.ini anyway
2014-04-03 13:27 <nebadon> and I dont have anything uncommented in that section in my OpenSim.ini
2014-04-03 13:30 <orenh> emails do something every 2 hours
2014-04-03 13:30 <orenh> but I don't see what emails have to do with assets
2014-04-03 13:30 <orenh> can you attach a debugger and put a breakpoint when this happens?
2014-04-03 13:31 <nebadon> not sure how to do that from linux console
2014-04-03 13:33 <orenh> can you change the source code and recompile? I can easily make it print the stack trace, but I prefer not to put that into Git
2014-04-03 13:33 <nebadon> sure
2014-04-03 13:33 <orenh> Change RestClient.cs line 321
2014-04-03 13:33 <orenh> Currently it's this:
2014-04-03 13:33 <orenh> m_log.WarnFormat("[REST CLIENT] Resource not found (404): {0}", _request.Address.ToString());
2014-04-03 13:33 <orenh> Change it to this:
2014-04-03 13:33 <orenh> m_log.Warn(string.Format("[REST CLIENT] Resource not found (404): {0}", _request.Address.ToString()), e);
2014-04-03 13:34 <nebadon> what is path to that file?
2014-04-03 13:34 <orenh> (sorry, Windows path ahead)
2014-04-03 13:34 <orenh> C:\opensim\OpenSim\Framework\Communications
2014-04-03 13:35 <nebadon> thanks
2014-04-03 13:36 <orenh> btw, after we're done I'm going to get rid of that warning altogether
2014-04-03 13:36 <orenh> since it's valid for GET ASSET to return 404
2014-04-03 13:36 <nebadon> 06:36:36 - [REST CLIENT] Resource not found (404): http://grid.avacon.org:8003/assets/08debe45-aceb-47a7-8978-cb43f0d13087/data
2014-04-03 13:36 <nebadon> System.Net.WebException: The remote server returned an error: (404) NotFound.
2014-04-03 13:36 <nebadon>   at System.Net.HttpWebRequest.CheckFinalStatus (System.Net.WebAsyncResult result) [0x0030c] in /root/install/mono-3.2.3/mono-3.2.3/mcs/class/System/System.Net/HttpWebRequest.cs:1606
2014-04-03 13:36 <nebadon>   at System.Net.HttpWebRequest.SetResponseData (System.Net.WebConnectionData data) [0x00141] in /root/install/mono-3.2.3/mono-3.2.3/mcs/class/System/System.Net/HttpWebRequest.cs:1423
2014-04-03 13:37 <orenh> just 2 lines?
2014-04-03 13:37 <nebadon> well per asset
2014-04-03 13:37 <orenh> there's no context in this stack trace
2014-04-03 13:37 <nebadon> i only copied the one
2014-04-03 13:37 <orenh> but there must be more lines than that
2014-04-03 13:37 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/m3y47rXM
2014-04-03 13:38 <nebadon> here is the whole thing
2014-04-03 13:38 <nebadon> the second set anyway
2014-04-03 13:38 <orenh> it doesn't even show AssetServiceConnector
2014-04-03 13:39 <orenh> maybe you're not compiling in debug mode?
2014-04-03 13:39 <orenh> or not running in debug mode?
2014-04-03 13:39 <nebadon> you have to run mono --debug 
2014-04-03 13:39 <nebadon> its different in linux
2014-04-03 13:39 <nebadon> there is no debug compile 
2014-04-03 13:39 <nebadon> its all runtime
2014-04-03 13:40 <orenh> and are you (running with --debug)?
2014-04-03 13:40 <nebadon> pretty sure let me verify
2014-04-03 13:40 <nebadon> actually yes
2014-04-03 13:40 <nebadon> i can tell just by looking at the error
2014-04-03 13:40 <nebadon> if it has line numbers you are using --debug
2014-04-03 13:44 <nebadon> honestly I dont think anything really wierd is going on orenh, its very likely the assets are indeed missing
2014-04-03 13:44 <nebadon> these regions were loaded with oars 
2014-04-03 13:44 <orenh> but why every 2 hours?
2014-04-03 13:44 <nebadon> ya true
2014-04-03 13:44 <nebadon> that is the odd part indeed
2014-04-03 13:50 <orenh> try this line, I hope it will product a better stack trace:
2014-04-03 13:50 <orenh> m_log.WarnFormat("[REST CLIENT] Resource not found (404): {0}\n{1}", _request.Address.ToString(), Environment.StackTrace);
2014-04-03 13:50 <Fly-Man-> Afternoon
2014-04-03 13:50 <orenh> Hi fly
2014-04-03 13:51 <Fly-Man-> Does anyone know if we're even using the DotNetOpenId for anything other then stuffing the repo ?
2014-04-03 13:51 <nebadon> k 1 sec orenh
2014-04-03 13:51 <nebadon> hey Fly-Man-
2014-04-03 13:51 <nebadon> i cant answer your question Fly
2014-04-03 13:52 <Fly-Man-> Seems like that file is overruled by a newer version for .Net 4.5
2014-04-03 13:52 <Fly-Man-> but last I checked the OpenID part never got implemented
2014-04-03 13:54 <nebadon> orenh now its back to just printing URL/UUID
2014-04-03 13:54 <nebadon> no errors at all
2014-04-03 13:54 <orenh> it's in the log
2014-04-03 13:54 <orenh> not in the console
2014-04-03 13:54 <nebadon> ooh
2014-04-03 13:54 <nebadon> ok 1 sec
2014-04-03 13:55 <diva> Fly-Man- the login service responds to openid requests
2014-04-03 13:55 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/5S5cfLTS
2014-04-03 13:55 <diva> as far as I know no one actually uses it. 
2014-04-03 13:56 <nebadon> orenh ^
2014-04-03 13:56 <orenh> http://heroeswiki.com/Yatta!
2014-04-03 13:56 <orenh> the world map is being regenerated
2014-04-03 13:56 <orenh> and indeed, an asset is missing
2014-04-03 13:56 <orenh> that asset happens to be a material, but that's not important
2014-04-03 13:56 <nebadon> wtf
2014-04-03 13:56 <Fly-Man-> diva: In other words, it's been dead code for some time now
2014-04-03 13:56 <orenh> Warp3DMap
2014-04-03 13:56 <nebadon> why is it regenerating tiles ever 2 hours
2014-04-03 13:57 <nebadon> let me check something
2014-04-03 13:57 <orenh> actually, might be a different thing
2014-04-03 13:57 <orenh> the stack trace you showed me happens at region startup
2014-04-03 13:57 <orenh> I don't know if it's the same one every 2 hours
2014-04-03 13:57 <orenh> you should wait, and check the stack trace that happens then
2014-04-03 13:57 <nebadon> shit
2014-04-03 13:57 <nebadon> im using old GridHypergrid.ini files
2014-04-03 13:57 <nebadon> ok problem solved
2014-04-03 13:57 <nebadon> what a pain
2014-04-03 13:58 <orenh> well, it showed that RestClient shouldn't log 404's
2014-04-03 13:58 <orenh> so we learned something today
2014-04-03 13:58 <nebadon> ya
2014-04-03 13:58 <nebadon> ok so you will remove that?
2014-04-03 13:58 <orenh> yes
2014-04-03 13:58 <orenh> well, I'll log them as Debug
2014-04-03 14:03 <diva> Fly-Man- it's not dead "dead", because it works if you invoke it from the outside. But as far as I know no one is actually invoking it
2014-04-03 14:03 <Fly-Man-> diva: Wasn't it part of the test to be able to login with a login screen instead of the viewer login ?
2014-04-03 14:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #3461 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-03 14:07 <nebadon> ok orenh looks good
2014-04-03 14:07 <nebadon> no more spewage, thanks man
2014-04-03 14:08 <orenh> no problem
2014-04-03 14:08 <diva> Fly-Man- jhurliman added it when they were experimenting with alternative logins 
2014-04-03 14:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3461: SUCCESS in 3 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3461/
2014-04-03 14:08 <osjenkins> orenh: Reduced log levels for REST 404 errors to DEBUG
2014-04-03 14:09 <Fly-Man-> diva: Yeah, that's what I thought. So only for that the OpenID.dll was added
2014-04-03 14:10 <diva> yes
2014-04-03 14:11 <nebadon> its always jhurlimans fault!!
2014-04-03 14:11 <nebadon> lol
2014-04-03 14:12 <Fly-Man-> nebadon: Well, not everything
2014-04-03 14:12 <Fly-Man-> But there's a lot of open things on his name on the LibOMV Jira :D
2014-04-03 14:12 <nebadon> its always the guy whos not around anymore fault
2014-04-03 14:12 <nebadon> lol
2014-04-03 14:12 <Fly-Man-> yeah, but lkalif does hard work
2014-04-03 14:13 <nebadon> indeed :)
2014-04-03 14:13 <Fly-Man-> keeping Radegast up to date as well
2014-04-03 14:13 <Fly-Man-> So, it's not a 1 man show
2014-04-03 16:24 <diva> wow, I just learned about this student in South Africa who's blind and he's developing a viewer for SL/OpenSim for blind people. Fascinating! He was using it for presenting the work. It render the scene in audio.
2014-04-03 16:24 <diva> which makes it viable when the objects have meaningful names...
2014-04-03 16:30 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-03 16:33 <nebadon> nice diva
2014-04-03 16:37 <diva> I was amazed at how he was able to navigate and follow us. He even sat on the presenters chair and gave his presentation, connecting to vivox and all. Absolutely mind blowing
2014-04-03 16:37 <nebadon> nice
2014-04-03 16:37 <nebadon> made me think of something funn when you said having meaningful names
2014-04-03 16:37 <diva> thank god I gave relatively sane names to the objects in my vLab
2014-04-03 16:37 <nebadon> I imagined Zork in OpenSimulator
2014-04-03 16:37 <nebadon> would be like
2014-04-03 16:38 <nebadon> You are standing in an open field west of a white primitive, with a boarded front primitive.
2014-04-03 16:38 <nebadon> lol
2014-04-03 16:38 <diva> lol
2014-04-03 16:38 <AllenKerensky> yeah the Myriad Narrators for region owners are sort of that
2014-04-03 16:38 <nebadon> haha
2014-04-03 16:39 <AllenKerensky> "Short Location Name - You see - to the north is - to the east is - etc
2014-04-03 16:39 <AllenKerensky> and yeah that blind viewer is awesomesauce - I've talked to region owners about RP regions and asked them to imagine navigating just with a text viewer as a way to improve RP region usability
2014-04-03 16:39 <AllenKerensky> and Zork was exactly the inspiration for the Narrator
2014-04-03 16:40 <diva> I will be talking to him some more one of these days, see if he cn make his viewer publicly available. It's incredible how he can do this stuff while blind
2014-04-03 16:40 <AllenKerensky> OpenSims don't have street signs, usually - and when someone new lands in an area to explore - how do they really know what you intended all the stuff to be?
2014-04-03 16:41 <AllenKerensky> when I put the Narrators in the Dune regions in SecondLife - people *really* appreciated it - every review of the regions they got specifically mentioned for helping people learn the lay of the land and get clues for the RP
2014-04-03 16:41 <AllenKerensky> and this also traces back to the old joke that everything in SecondLife is made of plywood
2014-04-03 16:42 <AllenKerensky> I usually recommend region owners *name* each prim or object they place as an easy way to clean up griefer prims too - so that habit would help blind/text viewers too
2014-04-03 16:44 <diva> this really opened my eyes to the issue of naming... for the rest of us, it's nice to have good names, but for blind people it's essential!
2014-04-03 16:50 <osmantis> Bug #7089:04 Objekct collision issue after uncheck phantom setting. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7089 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-03 16:50 <osmantis> Bug #7089:04 Objekct collision issue after uncheck phantom setting. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7089 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-04-03 16:50 <AllenKerensky> yeah I can't wait to hear what comes out of that viewer and project
2014-04-03 16:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #3462 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-03 16:57 <osmantis> Bug #7087:04 [PATCH] Move new Estate commands to OpenSim.cs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7087 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-03 17:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3462: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3462/
2014-04-03 17:00 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: Move new Estate commands to OpenSim.cs
2014-04-03 17:01 <osmantis> Bug #7089:04 Objekct collision issue after uncheck phantom setting. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7089 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-03 17:01 <nebadon> what is the proper git command to make a patch
2014-04-03 17:02 <nebadon> is this correct? http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Git#Creating_a_Patch
2014-04-03 17:03 <nebadon> orenh_ can you verify?
2014-04-03 17:04 <nebadon> diva or plugh or anyone?
2014-04-03 17:05 <dahlia> nebadon: I use create patch serial in tortoisegit
2014-04-03 17:05 <dahlia> but I'm not sure if its the best way
2014-04-03 17:05 <nebadon> ok I dont know what the person I recommended that link to
2014-04-03 17:06 <nebadon> that Objekct collision issue patch wont apply for me
2014-04-03 17:06 <nebadon> and I wanted to give them a proper way to do it
2014-04-03 17:09 <Plugh> nebadon: Zork in OpenSimulator? That would be fun.
2014-04-03 17:10 <jakdaniels_> nebadon, that's what I use. git format-patch master 
2014-04-03 17:10 <nebadon> ok thanks
2014-04-03 17:11 <jakdaniels_> from within my dev branch
2014-04-03 17:11 <Plugh> Looks ok except I use git format-patch -n to generate a set of patch files for the last n commits.
2014-04-03 17:12 <nebadon> ok ya its just one commit he submitted
2014-04-03 17:12 <nebadon> its very simple patch, I could commit his changes myself but i would prefer a proper patch so he gets credit
2014-04-03 17:12 <jakdaniels_> what error do you get when you try to apply that patch against master?
2014-04-03 17:13 <Plugh> Oh, --signoff. I've been commiting a ton of patches to a different project and didn't use the --signoff thing. 
2014-04-03 17:13 <nebadon> Patch format detection failed.
2014-04-03 17:13 <nebadon> ya that is what I am using signoff
2014-04-03 17:13 <nebadon> gives them credit and shows me as the person who commited it
2014-04-03 17:13 <jakdaniels_> does it look like a unified diff (mostly)
2014-04-03 17:13 <nebadon> its on the mantis
2014-04-03 17:13 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7089
2014-04-03 17:13 <nebadon> there isnt much of a header
2014-04-03 17:14 <jakdaniels_> Ah its just a diff, not a git patch
2014-04-03 17:14 <nebadon> right
2014-04-03 17:14 <Plugh> nebadon: ok. I may have to remember that for the future. I committed over 23 am formatted patches so the other person got the credit but possibly only in git history it might show who did the commits. It won't show in the change log.
2014-04-03 17:18 <jakdaniels_> I think that's what you get when you use git diff instead of git format-patch
2014-04-03 17:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #3463 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-03 17:19 <osmantis> Bug #7027:04 [PATCH]Bulletsim-- patch to fix vehicle hovering not being disabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7027 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-03 17:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3463: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3463/
2014-04-03 17:22 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: BulletSim: Minor Fix to vehicle hovering, add more ways to disable it.
2014-04-03 17:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #3464 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-03 17:26 <osmantis> Bug #7018:04 [PATCH] Add Varregion support to Terragen Terrain handler 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7018 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-03 17:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3464: SUCCESS in 3 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3464/
2014-04-03 17:29 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: Add Varregion support to Terragen Handler
2014-04-03 17:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #3465 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-03 17:39 <Plugh> I've been wondering how terrain saving will work with varregions.
2014-04-03 17:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3465: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3465/
2014-04-03 17:40 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: remove some whitespace that snuck in with last patch
2014-04-03 17:41 <Dev_Random> Plugh: What I noticed while doing that Terragen one, was that there are small differences between loaded and saved files.   Presumably due to integer math at the bottom.  Nothing visibly noticeable, but it's there if you view in hex mode.
2014-04-03 17:43 <Plugh> Raw files are usually based on layers of 256x256 regions. If you save terrain for a varregion will it just give you more data per layer to account for the larger region?
2014-04-03 17:44 <Dev_Random> not sure on the image-based formats.. I only really looked at Terragen, as that's what I use.
2014-04-03 17:44 <Plugh> ok. I create raw files from height maps using Bailiwick.
2014-04-03 17:45 <Plugh> Never really done much with Terragen.
2014-04-03 17:45 <nebadon> well I got most of the simple low hanging fruit patches
2014-04-03 17:45 <nebadon> good to get them in for next release since they were all so minor
2014-04-03 17:46 <nebadon> if anyone sees something maybe I missed that should be in let me know
2014-04-03 17:46 <Dev_Random> 2 patches for me today...  watch out orenh_....
2014-04-03 17:47 <nebadon> lol
2014-04-03 17:47 <jakdaniels_> if you think my persistent command line history like .bash_history should go in to next release, here it is neb ;-) http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7071
2014-04-03 17:47 <Plugh> I've got a bunch of "paperwork" to do so I can't do any coding at the moment. I still have to file a bunch of bug reports.
2014-04-03 17:47 <nebadon> let me look
2014-04-03 17:48 <nebadon> oh i missed that one jakdaniels_ because the status is wrong
2014-04-03 17:48 <nebadon> it should be patch included
2014-04-03 17:48 <nebadon> patch feedback is if someone like myself has questions about your patch
2014-04-03 17:48 <jakdaniels_> ah oops... ok I'll remember that
2014-04-03 17:49 <nebadon> and I think this one should wait
2014-04-03 17:49 <nebadon> its a bit to drastic, i think justin would kill me
2014-04-03 17:49 <nebadon> but when justin shows up ask him
2014-04-03 17:49 <nebadon> let me change status
2014-04-03 17:49 <osmantis> Bug #7071:04 Persist console command history after an OpenSim.exe restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7071 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-04-03 17:50 <Plugh> hm... why does terragen loader changes add 1 when reading the X points but not for Y?
2014-04-03 17:50 <nebadon> crap it assigned it to me
2014-04-03 17:50 <nebadon> i hate it when it does that
2014-04-03 17:50 <osmantis> Bug #7071:04 Persist console command history after an OpenSim.exe restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7071 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-04-03 17:50 <nebadon> ok there we go
2014-04-03 17:51 <jakdaniels_> ok I will. No problem. I remember asking him ages ago (2yrs maybe) if we could have persistent command history , and he said, yes it's one of those 'would be nice to have' things if someone had the time to do it.
2014-04-03 17:51 <nebadon> oh it will go in eventually
2014-04-03 17:51 <nebadon> just not right before a release
2014-04-03 17:51 <jakdaniels_> hehe, so I'll mention it to him again
2014-04-03 17:51 <jakdaniels_> yes, no problem about that neb
2014-04-03 17:51 <nebadon> atleast not by me anyway
2014-04-03 17:52 <Plugh> I have to go out in a half an hour but the cat doesn't care that I'm trying to get a few things done before then as he is calling for me to go see him. :P
2014-04-03 18:10 <Dev_Random> Plugh:  I'm not really here, but... In response to your Terragen question, the loader adds one when reading SIZE, but not when reading X or Y.  SIZE = (max - 1)    http://www.planetside.co.uk/terragen/dev/tgterrain.html
2014-04-03 18:12 <orenh_> nebadon I Know I'm late to the party, but indeed I use git format-patch
2014-04-03 18:13 <orenh_> also, to make sure I don't have lnie-ending problems, before every commit I run:
2014-04-03 18:13 <orenh_> git diff --name-only | xargs dos2unix -Uv
2014-04-03 18:13 <orenh_> or, if I already added the files to the commit set:
2014-04-03 18:13 <orenh_> git diff --name-only --cached | xargs dos2unix -Uv
2014-04-03 18:14 <orenh_> I guess only Windows users have to worry about that
2014-04-03 18:14 <Plugh> Dev_Random: Something else doesn't look right about that patch if it is varregion. In "SIZE" it reads an int16 and adds 1 to it to get w then it does h=w. If that is region size (width and height), it is assuming a square size.
2014-04-03 18:14 <Plugh> s/size/shape/
2014-04-03 18:16 <nebadon> ok ya I did miss 2 whitespace lines in the last patch but i fixed afterwards
2014-04-03 18:16 <nebadon> thanks orenh
2014-04-03 18:17 <nebadon> Plugh, varregions can only be square
2014-04-03 18:17 <nebadon> but i am guess it effects everything not just vars?
2014-04-03 18:18 <Plugh> ok, so they aren't as flexible as I thought.
2014-04-03 18:21 <nebadon> I think its more an issue of the viewer itself
2014-04-03 18:22 <nebadon> its a square world!
2014-04-03 18:22 <nebadon> lol
2014-04-03 18:22 <nebadon> 
ACTION sails off the edge

2014-04-03 18:24 <Plugh> I'm not getting much done this afternoon. First the cat, now it is almost time for me to go out for a while.
2014-04-03 18:54 <osmantis> Bug #7090:04 0.7.6.1 UserProfiles Built-In Forgetting Partner field 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7090 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-03 19:32 <SignpostMarv> anyone free to help look over my opensim config files so I can figure out what's making my grid a HGTP black hole ?
2014-04-03 19:42 <osmantis> Bug #6989:04 Map Tiles: Prims with diagonal GREATER than TexturePrimSize do not have colour applied 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6989 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-03 20:12 <Dev_Random> Plugh: just to address your earlier concern about Terragen sizes: XSIZE and YSIZE are optional header elements.  if either is missing, it defaults to SIZE (which is a required element, and must come before X or Y).
2014-04-03 20:13 <Plugh> hm... I just had a thought. OAR files save objects in a region but do not preserve the state of scripts. Would it be worthwhile to also save the script state files or is that not really possible as the state files are not in the database?
2014-04-03 20:14 <Plugh> Dev_Random: ok. I haven't looked at the file format for some time.
2014-04-03 22:14 -!- Wanderer_42(~kvirc@dslb-084-060-180-157.pools.arcor-ip.net) has left #opensim-dev
2014-04-03 22:32 <RiRa> something weird with 24591 just installed it. but if you open the map the view angle you see on map is way to width
2014-04-03 22:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #3466 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-03 22:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3466: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3466/
2014-04-03 22:36 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix sp.AbsolutePosition when agent is sitting on a child prim, which in turns fixes llDetectedPos(), llGetLinkPrimitiveParams() and similar functions.
2014-04-03 22:41 <osmantis> Bug #7043:04 llSensor gives wrong Avatarposition, when sitting on a childprim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7043 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-03 22:58 <justincc> hey nebadon, you're really on this late in Sweden?
2014-04-03 23:01 <justincc> or I could ping danbanner or keygruin :)
2014-04-03 23:02 <danbanner> hey justincc
2014-04-03 23:02 <danbanner> whats up?
2014-04-03 23:02 <justincc> danbanner: just wondering if you could do me a favour and pop out a new osgrid release sometime soon?
2014-04-03 23:02 <danbanner> sure
2014-04-03 23:03 <justincc> great, thanks.  Be good to get more testing on the latest fixes
2014-04-03 23:09 <osmantis> Bug #7091:04 map view angle  and world view wrong aspect ration sometimes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7091 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-03 23:11 <osmantis> Bug #7091:04 map view angle  and world view wrong aspect ration sometimes (see screenshots) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7091 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-03 23:12 <osmantis> Bug #7091:04 map view angle  and world view wrong aspect ration sometimes (see screenshots) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7091 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-03 23:44 <osmantis> Bug #7076:04 Terrrain module not checking bounds on elevation. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7076 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-03 23:56 <danbanner> justincc: https://twitter.com/osgrid/status/451870616191107072
2014-04-03 23:56 <justincc> great, thanks dahlia
2014-04-03 23:56 <justincc> er danbanner :)
2014-04-03 23:56 <dahlia> justincc: yw :)
2014-04-03 23:56 <danbanner> :)
2014-04-04 00:07 <justincc> alright, goodnight folks
2014-04-04 01:18 <smxy> BTW, I think there might be some debug enabled in ODE. I had to switch to it in one of my regions and it prints out a gazillion debug-like lines during sim startup.
2014-04-04 01:22 <nebadon> same for me smxy
2014-04-04 01:23 <nebadon> I thought my region was actually on bullet
2014-04-04 01:23 <smxy> Well, I thought it was ODE, because I only see the messages when it's enabled.
2014-04-04 01:23 <nebadon> and all this spew talking about ODE i was like wtf
2014-04-04 01:23 <nebadon> checked my settings I was on ODE
2014-04-04 01:23 <nebadon> something very broken with ODE at the moment on console anyway
2014-04-04 01:23 <smxy> But they seem to be coming from HGAssetBroker.cs
2014-04-04 01:24 <smxy> It's like there's thread function logging turned on
2014-04-04 01:24 <smxy> Tons of stuff like this (and I mean TONS):
2014-04-04 01:25 <smxy> 10:33:14 - Exit threadfunc 260 (8 ms)
2014-04-04 01:25 <smxy> 10:33:14 - Exit threadfunc 276 (7 ms)
2014-04-04 01:25 <smxy> 10:33:14 - Run threadfunc 278 (Queued 146, Running 126)
2014-04-04 01:25 <smxy> 10:33:14 - Run threadfunc 279 (Queued 145, Running 127)
2014-04-04 01:25 <smxy> 10:33:14 - Exit threadfunc 252 (4 ms)
2014-04-04 01:25 <smxy> 10:33:14 - Run threadfunc 280 (Queued 146, Running 128)
2014-04-04 01:25 <smxy> 10:33:14 - Queue threadfunc 421 (Queued 144, Running 128) at OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.ServiceConnectorsOut.Asset.HGAssetBroker.Get(System.String id, System.Object sender, OpenSim.Services.Interfaces.AssetRetrieved handler) in /home/ste/grid/src/coreOS/build/build-r24541/OpenSim/Region/CoreModules/ServiceConnectorsOut/Asset/HGAssetBroker.cs:line 291
2014-04-04 01:25 <smxy> ah, later it mentions ODE too
2014-04-04 01:25 <danbanner> doesnt seem to be an issue with INFO
2014-04-04 01:25 <nebadon> yep I had the same exact thing
2014-04-04 01:26 <smxy> gigantic spewage
2014-04-04 01:26 <nebadon> odd thing is I dont recall anyone touching ODE lately
2014-04-04 01:26 <nebadon> ya the spew is very bad
2014-04-04 01:28 <smxy> It starts immediately after this line:
2014-04-04 01:28 <smxy> PLEASE WAIT FOR LOGINS TO BE ENABLED ON REGIONS ONCE SCRIPTS HAVE STARTED.  Non-script portion of startup took 0m 9s.
2014-04-04 01:28 <smxy> And ends right before this line:
2014-04-04 01:28 <smxy> 10:33:19 - [WATCHDOG]: Started tracking thread Maintenance (Escaped), ID 313
2014-04-04 01:29 <smxy> Maybe it's coming from the tracking thread.
2014-04-04 01:29 <smxy> Didn't oren add a bunch of thread logging recently?
2014-04-04 01:31 <smxy> It's only during startup. Once running, I don't see it again.
2014-04-04 01:32 <nebadon> he did but I dont think it should touch physics
2014-04-04 01:33 <nebadon> would need to ask him
2014-04-04 01:33 <smxy> Not looking to blame. Just trying to think where it might have been introduced.
2014-04-04 01:37 <osmantis> Bug #7051:04 [VAR] osNpcMoveToTarget fails outside of 256 on varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7051 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-04 01:39 <smxy> I had to switch because I discovered that movement was totally frakked in the region. I have a hunch it might be caused by being inside a giant megaprim - a sim surround.
2014-04-04 01:39 <smxy> Switching to ODE totally fixed the movement issues.
2014-04-04 01:39 <smxy> BS kept throwing me to the region edge.
2014-04-04 01:40 <smxy> On the smallest movement.
2014-04-04 01:40 <smxy> And I couldn't go up or down at all.
2014-04-04 01:40 <nebadon> odd
2014-04-04 01:42 <smxy> This weekend, I'll try moving the surround up in the air, out of the way, and switching back to BS and seeing if movement works again.
2014-04-04 01:56 <Ken_S> smxy, you can probably make the surround work by using 1 prim per side rather than using a hollow box.
2014-04-04 01:57 <Ken_S> I assume you are using a hollow box now?
2014-04-04 01:58 <Ken_S> Or is it like an outside sim island surround?
2014-04-04 02:07 <smxy> I have no idea what it is. My former estate manager put it in place and I never looked at how it was constructed. I almost never go there. I just happened to the other day and realized movement was screwed. Was talking to someone about it and they mentioned they'd seen a similar problem when inside a megaprim surround, so I suspected that might be my issue, but I need to test that.
2014-04-04 02:13 <Ken_S> smxy, it sounds like something to keep vehicles from hitting the sim border.
2014-04-04 02:14 <Ken_S> Ive seen some mega prims that are hollow have collision issues, but building the box using 1 prim per side will fix it if you really need border protection.
2014-04-04 02:42 <smxy> No, not for protection. It's a surround - a scenic mountain thing that goes all the way around the sim, off sim.
2014-04-04 02:43 <smxy> I think it just sits on the sim and extens way out past the edges.
2014-04-04 02:43 <smxy> extends*
2014-04-04 02:52 <Ken_S> smxy, if thats the case and its just for looks, just set it to phantom and it should be fine.
2014-04-04 02:53 <smxy> It does seem to be one gigantic object that looks kinda like a sculpty. It sits on and is centered on the sim.
2014-04-04 02:57 <smxy> hmmm. it's at least two object. I found it's root prim, a .5 x .5 x .5 cube, under the land at the center of the sim.
2014-04-04 03:01 <smxy> I'm going to try your suggestion.
2014-04-04 03:06 <smxy> That was it. If the surround is set to phantom, BulletSim is fine with it.
2014-04-04 03:06 <smxy> Thanks!
2014-04-04 06:06 <osmantis> Bug #7089:04 Objekct collision issue after uncheck phantom setting. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7089 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-04 08:56 <Fly-Man-> So, how excited are people about this news: "Microsoft just open-sourced the .Net compiler! " http://roslyn.codeplex.com/
2014-04-04 09:08 <orenh> I would be a lot more excited if they open-sourced the .NET runtime, because Microsoft's runtime is way faster than Mono. But that's never going to happen.
2014-04-04 09:17 <Fly-Man-> Yeah, but this is a begin right ?
2014-04-04 09:25 <Fly-Man-> orenh: Doesn't this help get the Scriptengine more speed ?
2014-04-04 09:25 <Fly-Man-> Or did I read the information incorrectly
2014-04-04 09:55 <dahlia> mono compiler not that bad, its the runtime which is the harder part to develop
2014-04-04 09:56 <dahlia> and the VM
2014-04-04 09:58 <dahlia> LLVM will probably pass it up soon anyway (if it hasn't already)
2014-04-04 10:03 <lkalif> http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-open-sources-more-of-its-net-technologies-7000028031/
2014-04-04 10:05 <Fly-Man-> lkalif: .Net Micro ?
2014-04-04 10:05 <Fly-Man-> what is that then ?
2014-04-04 10:05 <lkalif> embedded stuff I think
2014-04-04 10:06 <lkalif> but .NET Web Client is great
2014-04-04 10:06 <lkalif> fucking mono one is useless
2014-04-04 10:06 <Fly-Man-> The .NET Micro Framework is the smallest version of .NET for very resource-constrained devices. It offers a complete and innovative development and execution environment that brings the productivity of modern computing tools to embedded programming. 
2014-04-04 10:09 <Fly-Man-> Now, someone said this earlier this morning in my office
2014-04-04 10:09 <Fly-Man-> "Does this mean we can run Opensim on a Windows Phone now ?"
2014-04-04 10:09 <Fly-Man-> I had a little laugh then
2014-04-04 10:09 <dahlia> I think that might be what unity uses on mobile devices
2014-04-04 10:10 <dahlia> unity phone apps also install some mono framework stuff
2014-04-04 10:10 <lkalif> nah, they use full .net
2014-04-04 10:10 <dahlia> full? I doubt it
2014-04-04 11:25 <osmantis> Bug #7091:04 map view angle  and world view wrong aspect ration sometimes (see screenshots) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7091 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-04 11:35 <lkalif> #7091 is user error ;)
2014-04-04 11:35 <osmantis> Bug #7091:04 map view angle  and world view wrong aspect ration sometimes (see screenshots) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7091 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-04 12:39 <osmantis> Bug #7092:04 Crash on compile 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7092 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-04 12:49 <osmantis> Bug #7092:04 Crash on compile 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7092 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-04 12:54 <osmantis> Bug #7091:04 map view angle  and world view wrong aspect ration sometimes (see screenshots) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7091 ): has been CLOSED
2014-04-04 13:38 <lkalif> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2014/04/02/announcing-net-native-preview.aspx
2014-04-04 13:38 <lkalif> .NET native compiler
2014-04-04 13:38 <lkalif> *AND* libs
2014-04-04 13:39 <lkalif> MS is on the roll. I wonder if this means we can run native MS .NET engine on Linux with Wine
2014-04-04 13:47 <MarcusLlew> I also saw that they opensourced their new Rosalyn compiler.
2014-04-04 13:47 <lkalif> yep
2014-04-04 13:48 <lkalif> bunch of libs too. HTTP WebClient among others. Mono's suck and is known to cause problems for OpenSim
2014-04-04 13:48 <MarcusLlew> Thet .NET Native blog post keeps going "Windows Store" this and "Windows Store" that. But I'm assuming it could be used foor desktop style apps?
2014-04-04 13:49 <lkalif> this preview is only for metro apps. but it does say that they do plan to expand to the rest of .NET
2014-04-04 13:50 <MarcusLlew> Let's hope sooner rather than later. :)
2014-04-04 13:51 <MarcusLlew> Binries produced by it wouldn't run under linux, of course. :/
2014-04-04 13:51 <lkalif> Well no. But might be possible to shoehorn something with wine. We'll see when its released in full.
2014-04-04 13:52 <lkalif> One interesting aspect of the "store" bit is that you submit your app as msil (bytecode)
2014-04-04 13:52 <lkalif> and then store compiles it server side for different platforms 
2014-04-04 13:52 <lkalif> so someone downloading your metro app on a ARM tablet gets arm native app
2014-04-04 13:52 <MarcusLlew> Xamarin is till heavliy involved with MS's .NET stuff, so maybe there'll be suprises on that front. If we're lucky.
2014-04-04 13:52 <Guest47247> i polished up the handle so carefully, that now I am the ruler of the queen's navee.
2014-04-04 13:53 <lkalif> They're turning Windows app store into a compiler farm
2014-04-04 13:53 <luciussir> that now i am the ruler of the queens navee :P 
2014-04-04 13:53 <luciussir> morning lkalif
2014-04-04 13:53 <MarcusLlew> That's their answer to universal binaries, I guess.
2014-04-04 13:53 <lkalif> luciussir: morning
2014-04-04 13:53 <lkalif> It's smart. I like it
2014-04-04 13:55 <MarcusLlew> I'm betting VS Express won't have it. Bah.
2014-04-04 13:58 <MarcusLlew> This is more than just AOT, right? AOT still needs the .NET/Mono framework installed?
2014-04-04 14:19 <lkalif> MarcusLlew: right. Th result is true native biinary
2014-04-04 14:20 <MarcusLlew> Very nifty. So the framework isn't going anywhere, at least not for development. It's just no longer necessary for deployment. Which is pretty awesome.
2014-04-04 14:21 <MarcusLlew> And also negates a lot of the "I hope this kills Mono" stuff I"m already seeing people post online.
2014-04-04 14:28 <smxy> If only there were a .Net compiler that produce a native binary for Linux. :)
2014-04-04 14:28 <smxy> produced*
2014-04-04 14:30 <MarcusLlew> For something like OpenSim, that would be more valuable than native binaries on Windows, IMO. Windows for a long while now just has .NET built in. Under Linux we need mono as a slightly hefty dependency.
2014-04-04 14:31 <MarcusLlew> If that went way... huzzas.
2014-04-04 14:31 <MarcusLlew> huzzah, even
2014-04-04 14:32 <Arielle_> i been finding my opensim  instances running on windows to be  much better  the last  couple months. Not needing to reboot them daily anymore
2014-04-04 14:52 <smxy> Wow. Last year, I ignored my grid for 8 months. I came back and all the sims were still up and running. Gotta love Linux. :)
2014-04-04 14:54 <Ken_S> smxy, wow you run code 8 months old? lol
2014-04-04 15:04 <Arielle_> and was it working proper still ;)
2014-04-04 15:17 <nebadon> I have had regions run 6+ months as well
2014-04-04 15:17 <nebadon> i just rebooted a grid that was running 183 days a few days ago
2014-04-04 15:17 <nebadon> and it got fairly regular traffic
2014-04-04 15:18 <nebadon> it also had about 60 npcs rezzed the entire time too
2014-04-04 15:19 <nebadon> I think dahlia had a region running for about a year before it crashed
2014-04-04 15:34 <smxy> Yes, the grid was mostly running proper still. It had had a steady but not huge amount of traffic. I was impressed it was in as good a shape as it was.
2014-04-04 16:00 <osmantis> Bug #7089:04 Objekct collision issue after uncheck phantom setting. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7089 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-04 16:21 <osmantis> Bug #7089:04 Objekct collision issue after uncheck phantom setting. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7089 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-04 16:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #3467 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-04 16:42 <osmantis> Bug #7089:04 Objekct collision issue after uncheck phantom setting. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7089 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-04 16:42 <osmantis> Bug #7089:04 Objekct collision issue after uncheck phantom setting. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7089 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-04 16:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3467: SUCCESS in 3 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3467/
2014-04-04 16:44 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: fixed object-collision issue after uncheck phantom-flag
2014-04-04 17:55 <osmantis> Bug #7044:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams, llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast, llGetLinkPrimitiveParams do not work CORRECTLY on avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7044 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-04 18:22 <Ken_S> Nebadon, seeing something different related to AV stand position on a prim...
2014-04-04 18:23 <Ken_S> It seems the stand position would be perfect if the AV had no shoes on, but
2014-04-04 18:23 <Ken_S> with boots on the entire boot below the foot goes down into the prim.
2014-04-04 18:23 <Ken_S> I have all AV height related settings in Bulletsim commented out so defaults are used.
2014-04-04 18:24 <nebadon> yes
2014-04-04 18:24 <nebadon> we noticed same thing last night was waiting for Misterblue to show up
2014-04-04 18:24 <Plugh> For the load tests that were done in osgrid for the conference, any idea how many real avatars where there (ie. non-bots)?
2014-04-04 18:24 <nebadon> its odd
2014-04-04 18:24 <nebadon> if you taper a prim Kensy
2014-04-04 18:25 <nebadon> err Ken_S and stand on it
2014-04-04 18:25 <nebadon> its right
2014-04-04 18:25 <nebadon> very odd 
2014-04-04 18:25 <Ken_S> Yes, very strange
2014-04-04 18:25 <Ken_S> OK, I didnt see a mantis on it and wanted to make sure it wasnt just me.
2014-04-04 18:25 <nebadon> ya we did not file a mantis yet
2014-04-04 18:26 <nebadon> I wanted to check with misterblue and see what he thought
2014-04-04 18:26 <Ken_S> A while back, if stairs were made with a cut prim to form a "L",
2014-04-04 18:26 <nebadon> I may not see him again though before I leave for Sweden tommorow, unless he shows up tonight
2014-04-04 18:27 <Ken_S> The collision behavior when walking up stairs was very different than when the stairs were made with uncut rectangle blocks
2014-04-04 18:27 <Ken_S> Not sure if that issue is still around.
2014-04-04 18:28 <Ken_S> Havent checked it in a while
2014-04-04 18:33 <nebadon> oh Plugh, i just noticed your message sorry
2014-04-04 18:33 <nebadon> scrolled by so fast
2014-04-04 18:33 <nebadon> I think we got up to around 150 real avatars
2014-04-04 18:34 <nebadon> though 75 of them were me
2014-04-04 18:34 <nebadon> i was not using bots I was using real viewers
2014-04-04 18:34 <nebadon> with bots we got up to like 250 or 300 I think
2014-04-04 18:34 <nebadon> thats like 120-150 real avatars and the rest pcampbots
2014-04-04 18:35 <nebadon> the numbers varied from week to week
2014-04-04 18:48 <Plugh> What was the maximum in one single region?
2014-04-04 19:24 <nebadon> hey sorry Plugh, had to run to the bank just got back
2014-04-04 19:25 <nebadon> you should be able to get to around 80 in a single region
2014-04-04 19:25 <Plugh> sure, np. Was just curious. I've got some regions that like to crash frequently and I'm trying to determine why.
2014-04-04 19:25 <nebadon> however you probably dont want to go too much past 50 or 60
2014-04-04 19:25 <nebadon> what kind of errors on crash?
2014-04-04 19:25 <Plugh> I'm using the 64-bit OpenSim, memory usage is less than 2G.
2014-04-04 19:25 <Plugh> Usually nothing that seems that helpful in terms of error message.
2014-04-04 19:26 <nebadon> what verison of mono?
2014-04-04 19:26 <Plugh> I'll take a look later and get back to you about that. I'm in the middle of a Skype conversation with someone.
2014-04-04 19:26 <nebadon> ok
2014-04-04 19:26 <Plugh> These are Windows boxes
2014-04-04 19:26 <nebadon> ah ok
2014-04-04 19:28 <Sked_> Hello guys
2014-04-04 19:28 <Sked_> can anyone tell me where i can find getprofilepicuuid code
2014-04-04 19:42 <Wanderer_42> Sked_: maybe you can find something here: http://forums-archive.secondlife.com/54/bf/225460/1.html
2014-04-04 19:47 <Sked_> i didnt mean script i mean code for web page
2014-04-04 19:49 <Sked_> or how else OsGrid show profile image inworld
2014-04-04 19:49 <Wanderer_42> mybe you can get the neccessary infos from this lsl-script: http://www.lslwiki.net/lslwiki/wakka.php?wakka=LibraryDisplayProfilePic
2014-04-04 19:52 <Sked_> i have this files before but now i forget where i download it
2014-04-04 20:58 <luciussir> unity... 
2014-04-04 21:20 <Plugh> D'oh. I was just about to point Sked_ to osprofile in case that helps.
2014-04-04 21:57 <Aleric> A note has been added to http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7069  ... by me! :)
2014-04-04 21:59 <Aleric> Oh... on second thought I added it to the wrong issue :/. That one is about sitting without script.
2014-04-04 22:03 <AllenKerensky> this reminds me of the scene in Matrix Reloaded where the Oracle tells Neo that someone, somewhere, wrote the code that controls the birds...
2014-04-04 22:05 <AllenKerensky> reading a discussion on the inner workings of "sit" ... makes me think, somewhere in the Matrix robot city was an "OpenSim Contributors List"
2014-04-04 22:06 <Aleric> I now know *everything* about sit :p... except where in the C# code opensim screws it up.
2014-04-04 22:07 <Aleric> I can look into it, if some dev promises me to merge a fix that makes llSitTarget work the way it does in SL (which will cause an offset of about 8 cm compared with how it works now)
2014-04-04 22:08 <Aleric> I then can also fix sitting on prims without script, that can't be hard.
2014-04-04 22:08 <Aleric> I mean.. it IS hard - I did two weeks of research :p.. but with the knowledge I have now I'm pretty sure I can nail that down correctly.
2014-04-04 22:11 <AllenKerensky> Barbie said it - Math is hard.
2014-04-04 22:30 <LiruCookies> AllenKerensky: Did Barbie really say that?
2014-04-04 22:36 <AllenKerensky> Sadly, yes - Teen Talk Barbie - was pulled in 1991 after the upsetness
2014-04-04 22:38 <AllenKerensky> also spawned the Barbie Liberation Organization and caused a goof up that made 1993 Barbie say "Dead men tell no lies" and GI Joe say "I love to shop with you"
2014-04-04 22:40 <LiruCookies> HAHHH
2014-04-04 22:41 <danbanner> the BLO?
2014-04-04 22:41 <AllenKerensky> yeah
2014-04-04 22:42 <AllenKerensky> they swapped the vox boxes on hundreds of Barbies and Joes as a protest for gender stereotypes and against war toys
2014-04-04 22:42 <AllenKerensky> and spun it as a "goof" from the toy company
2014-04-04 23:41 <diva> I was asked for input when Mattel designed their Barbie Computer Engineer. They contacted the National Academy of Engineering, and they contacted me. That was nice. I sent pictures of some of my students. She turned out ok.
2014-04-04 23:43 <AllenKerensky> Hey diva that's pretty cool - I guess Barbie really can't say math is hard anymore, if it ever was for her - her shirt is printed in binary eh? I wonder what THAT decodes to?
2014-04-04 23:43 <diva> yes, her shirt is pretty cool
2014-04-04 23:46 <diva> they didn't include the arm warmers that one of my students suggested. You know, for when the office is 10 degrees colder because men have a different temperature zone...
2014-04-04 23:46 <AllenKerensky> or for working in the machine rooms
2014-04-04 23:47 <AllenKerensky> I just showed my daughter - she said it was pretty cool - and she is NOT a fan of Barbies - she is a Polly Pockets girl
2014-04-04 23:47 <diva> but her clothes are pretty cool and the shoes too. And I'm pretty sure the glasses came directly from the photo of one of my students.
2014-04-04 23:47 <AllenKerensky> and just add an Arctic Explorer Barbie parka over for server room trips and you're set
2014-04-04 23:47 <diva> :)
2014-04-04 23:48 <LiruCookies> 
ACTION has polly pockets!

2014-04-04 23:48 <diva> yeah, I just bought it for my daughter too. She wasn't playing with Barbies anymore, but this one is really cool
2014-04-04 23:49 <AllenKerensky> we might have one heading here too
2014-04-04 23:49 <AllenKerensky> thanks for the pointer
2014-04-04 23:49 <diva> np! This is one of the hidden highlights of my career :D
2014-04-04 23:49 <AllenKerensky> bad news for Barbie if she DOES come here tho ... *my* personal collection of dolls, er, action figures are all from the ALIEN movies.
2014-04-04 23:50 <AllenKerensky> and somewhere in my pictures folder is a snap of an Alien dragging off a Pee Wee Herman that has been grabbed by a facehugger
2014-04-05 00:02 <Plugh> luciussir: ping
2014-04-05 00:19 <Plugh> Is the plan for variable sized regions to be non-square in the future as long as the X/Y sizes remain multiples of 256m?
2014-04-05 00:22 <LiruCookies> Plugh: Aurora had smaller tha n 256
2014-04-05 00:22 <Plugh> Correct. I don't believe the current implementation of varregions in OS will support smaller sizes.
2014-04-05 00:24 <justincc> LiruCookies: how did that work with the region map?
2014-04-05 00:24 <justincc> er sorry, main map
2014-04-05 00:24 <LiruCookies> justincc: I forget, probably fine?
2014-04-05 00:25 <Plugh> justincc: Is there a list posted somewhere summarizing some of the main issues to be addressed before releasing 0.8?
2014-04-05 00:25 <justincc> it consists of the list of mantis entries with a target version of 0.8
2014-04-05 00:25 <Plugh> oh, right. ty.
2014-04-05 00:26 <LiruCookies> 
ACTION wonders if a giant refactor is in store by 1.0

2014-04-05 00:26 <justincc> just for shits and giggles
2014-04-05 00:26 <Plugh> ?? wonders why that came up as an empty list.
2014-04-05 00:26 <dahlia> diva: this? http://www.blogcdn.com/www.parentdish.com/media/2010/02/barbie-computer-engineer-240ds021210.jpg
2014-04-05 00:28 <diva> yes :)
2014-04-05 00:28 <dahlia> awesome :D
2014-04-05 00:28 <diva> yeah :D
2014-04-05 00:28 <dahlia> 
ACTION likes the pink laptop too

2014-04-05 00:28 <Plugh> No bugs with 0.8 target yet??
2014-04-05 00:29 <justincc> there are mantises with that target, don't know why you arent' seeing them
2014-04-05 00:29 <Plugh> Had to change status to any.
2014-04-05 00:56 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION discovered gource today, thanks to nebadon's avacon video.

2014-04-05 00:56 <Dev_Random> Thank-you nebadon.
2014-04-05 00:56 <nebadon> nice, no problem Dev_Random
2014-04-05 00:56 <nebadon> its pretty cool
2014-04-05 00:57 <Dev_Random> now I can explain the burnout to our CEO
2014-04-05 00:57 <nebadon> haha
2014-04-05 00:57 <justincc> lol
2014-04-05 00:58 <justincc> 
ACTION has a bad case of the friday burnouts right now

2014-04-05 01:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #3468 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-05 01:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3468: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3468/
2014-04-05 01:14 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Don't re-retrieve sit part in SP.HandleAgentSit() when we already have it.
2014-04-05 01:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #3469 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-05 01:17 -!- Wanderer_42(~kvirc@dslb-084-060-180-157.pools.arcor-ip.net) has left #opensim-dev
2014-04-05 01:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3469: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3469/
2014-04-05 01:18 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Revert "Don't re-retrieve sit part in SP.HandleAgentSit() when we already have it."
2014-04-05 01:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #3470 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-05 01:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3470: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3470/
2014-04-05 01:22 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Don't re-retrieve sit part in SP.HandleAgentSit() when we already have it (this time with the right code change)
2014-04-05 12:06 <osmantis> Bug #7093:04 Bulletsim: Wrong stand position. Standing on a prim floor, anything on shoes below bare feet are inside the floor. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7093 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-05 13:54 <osmantis> Bug #7093:04 Bulletsim: Wrong stand position. Standing on a prim floor, anything on shoes below bare feet are inside the floor. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7093 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-05 14:06 <Aleric> Heh, in the floor? Hovering is more like it :p
2014-04-05 14:16 <osmantis> Bug #7069:04 wrong sit offset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7069 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-05 14:28 <osmantis> Bug #6977:04 Limit see and chat with avatars of others parcels do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6977 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-05 15:19 <Sked_> Hi guys
2014-04-05 15:20 <Sked_> does anyone how wher ein db is Born in profile inworld
2014-04-05 15:23 <Plugh> Created field of UserAccounts table.
2014-04-05 15:24 <Sked_> tnx
2014-04-05 15:24 <Sked_> and do you mybe know where i can download getprofilepicuuid files
2014-04-05 15:26 <H-H-H> goto love having Owner/Creator in the account type box in your profile :)
2014-04-05 15:27 <Plugh> Sked_: I'm not quite sure what you are asking. For the osprofile add on module the profile pic UUID is stored in the profileImage field of the userprofile table.
2014-04-05 15:28 <Sked_> yes i know but i want to show profile image on web page
2014-04-05 15:28 <Sked_> and log time ago i have this php code but i cannot find it
2014-04-05 15:28 <H-H-H> anyone played with the xz pets system on OpenSim?
2014-04-05 15:29 <H-H-H> Sked then you need to fetch the av profile pic from db useing php is probably the easyest and then use imagmajic or something to convert to jpg or something that can be displayed
2014-04-05 15:30 <Sked_> i will try to make my own code
2014-04-05 15:30 <Sked_> tnx
2014-04-05 15:30 <H-H-H> its also something i will be looking into however there is a project on the forge that allows you to display images of assets via php 
2014-04-05 15:31 <Sked_> ok tnx
2014-04-05 15:31 <H-H-H> which is essentially what you want to do just replace the asset image uuid with the profile pic uuid of the av you want
2014-04-05 15:32 <H-H-H> hey Plugh did you see my comment before about useing the opensim email module for inworl object to object email?
2014-04-05 15:32 <Plugh> H-H-H: What is the xz pets system?
2014-04-05 15:33 <Plugh> H-H-H: Yes, I did. Ty. I have saved a copy of it on my hard drive and will look at it later.
2014-04-05 15:33 <Plugh> I'm trying to finish off two projects and doing a third small one now.
2014-04-05 15:34 <H-H-H> xs pets are breedable pets
2014-04-05 15:34 <H-H-H> and heres a link Sked_ http://forge.opensimulator.org/gf/project/webassets/
2014-04-05 15:35 <H-H-H> that project may or may not help you Sked_ as it is a little old
2014-04-05 15:35 <Sked_> tnx
2014-04-05 15:35 <H-H-H> if you succed Sked_ i would be interested in hearing how you did it :)
2014-04-05 15:36 <Sked_> ok i will report
2014-04-05 15:37 <H-H-H> Plugh let me find you a link
2014-04-05 15:38 <Plugh> H-H-H: xs or xz?
2014-04-05 15:38 <Plugh> oh, I've heard some people don't like breedables. Not sure why.
2014-04-05 15:40 <H-H-H> XS Pets
2014-04-05 15:40 <H-H-H> http://metaverse.mitsi.com/secondlife/posts/breedable-pet/default.htm
2014-04-05 15:41 <H-H-H> however the code linked to in that article is either old or missing so hold on and i will grab the link for the code
2014-04-05 15:41 <H-H-H> https://github.com/dazzlesoftware/Secondlife
2014-04-05 15:43 <H-H-H> they do work on OpenSim but if you have to many out at once it can bog the server down a bit
2014-04-05 15:44 <H-H-H> how many you can have depends on hardware really 
2014-04-05 15:51 <osmantis> Bug #7096:04 llSitTarget (and llLinkSitTarget) result in different position in opensim than in SecondLife 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7096 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-05 15:56 <osmantis> Bug #7096:04 llSitTarget (and llLinkSitTarget) result in different position in opensim than in SecondLife 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7096 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-05 15:57 <Plugh> Probably a case of short timers(?) and llSetPrimitiveParams in the timer handler.
2014-04-05 15:59 <Plugh> Nuts. It looks like the CHANGED_TEXTURE flag isn't supported for the changed event handler.
2014-04-05 16:04 <Plugh> yup. The constant exists but it is never used. :P
2014-04-05 16:04 <Plugh> I need to take some time to file reports for all the bugs I've been finding.
2014-04-05 16:05 <H-H-H> bug reports are always good
2014-04-05 16:06 <Plugh> Hm... I can't even see where CHANGED_ANIMATION is used.
2014-04-05 16:06 <Plugh> H-H-H: I have around a dozen to file.
2014-04-05 16:07 <H-H-H> cool i dont know enough about how it should work to determin if somethings a bug or not lol but if i see something in mantis and i can repro it , i try to add my 2 cents worth
2014-04-05 16:11 <osmantis> Bug #7096:04 llSitTarget (and llLinkSitTarget) result in different position in opensim than in SecondLife 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7096 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-05 16:12 <Plugh> 
ACTION just found yet another bug.

2014-04-05 16:17 <Plugh> hm... changed texture event only seems to work for root prim.
2014-04-05 16:33 <Aleric> Can someone with authority tell me if a patch for 7096 that would remove the dependency on the avatar height and make sit target work like it does in SL would be accepted?
2014-04-05 16:39 <Ken_S> Aleric, submit it to the mantis in the proper form and wait and see.
2014-04-05 16:42 <Aleric> I don't have a patch
2014-04-05 16:43 <smxy> Then perhaps it's time to make one?
2014-04-05 16:43 <Aleric> It's just conceptual decision: assume the patch existed, would it be accepted?
2014-04-05 16:43 <Aleric> Why would I write a patch when it is not accepted anyway? :/
2014-04-05 16:43 <Ken_S> If it worked, Im sure it would be accepted.
2014-04-05 16:43 <smxy> Even if it wasn't accepted, people could take the patch and apply it to their own grids, if they chose.
2014-04-05 16:43 <H-H-H> +1 to that
2014-04-05 16:44 <LiruCookies> Yay divergence!
2014-04-05 16:44 <Ken_S> Most people have been wanting sits to work as they do in SL for a long time
2014-04-05 16:44 <Aleric> It's possible that someone (ie, justincc or diva) will say: we deliberately made sittarget depend on avatar size and we want to keep that in. They can say that before I put time into writing a patch for this :p
2014-04-05 16:44 <smxy> Yeah. I think that's the only notable issue about which people have gotten up in arms the past year or more.
2014-04-05 16:45 <smxy> sitting, that is
2014-04-05 16:45 <Aleric> Ken_S: this is about llSitTarget, not about sitting on prims without script.
2014-04-05 16:45 <Aleric> The difference with SL is roughly 8 cm now.
2014-04-05 16:45 <Aleric> Most people probably don't even see that :p
2014-04-05 16:46 <Ken_S> Personally I'd like to have it like it is in SL, so scripts will behave the same in both places
2014-04-05 16:46 <LiruCookies> Sitting without script still is not a thing?
2014-04-05 16:47 <Ken_S> Thats a different issue
2014-04-05 16:47 <Aleric> An avatar with a height of 2.30 (the normal standard on SL, heheh) with an assumed headsize of 32cm (they like heads small), gives an agentSize of 230-16 = 214 cm.. So, the offset with SL would be 5 + 214 / 37.9075 = 10.645 cm  
2014-04-05 16:47 <Aleric> The 8cm is more for my avatar :p
2014-04-05 16:49 <Aleric> Ken_S: then at least we agree :). You could add a comment :). I think I'll wait a few days though to see what justin says. If it seems most people like it then I'll write a fix.
2014-04-05 16:49 <Ken_S> The sit position on a prim without a script has also been a lingering issue forever too.
2014-04-05 16:49 <Ken_S> Yes Aleric, I'll be happy to test it and use it.
2014-04-05 16:49 <Aleric> Yep and well enough reason for me to stay away from opensim for several years.
2014-04-05 16:50 <Aleric> I was like: Oh, a year has passed - log in - sit on prim - log out.
2014-04-05 16:50 <Aleric> It's a different issue though :p
2014-04-05 16:51 <Ken_S> Thats a problem here sometimes... good devs get frustrated because of the attitude of a few and leave.
2014-04-05 16:51 <Ken_S> Unfortunate but true lol
2014-04-05 16:51 <Ken_S> Have to just have thick skin and do your thing.
2014-04-05 16:51 <smxy> Not that everyone does this, but when people work on what suits their fancy (or wallet), rather than fixing stuff just because it's broke, stuff sits.
2014-04-05 16:52 <Aleric> That has nothing to do with attitude of devs... I just didn't think opensim was interesting when they couldn't even make sitting on a cube work :p. That was before I knew anyone here :p
2014-04-05 16:52 <LiruCookies> smxy: Or doesn't sit
2014-04-05 16:52 <smxy> I saw what you did there. :)
2014-04-05 16:53 <Ken_S> Yes proper sitting on a cube without a script is probably the longest lasting bug that's ever been in opensim lol
2014-04-05 16:53 <LiruCookies> Aleric: A nice fix, since you did all this sitting research would be noscript sit
2014-04-05 16:53 <smxy> I think Meta 7 fixed that, but it never made it back to core.
2014-04-05 16:54 <Ken_S> Its one of those items that just doesn't seem important enough to totally fix I guess.
2014-04-05 16:54 <Aleric> LiruCookies: Yeah, I know the math now - that won't be a problem anymore. I still need to know where exactly in the code to apply the math though.
2014-04-05 16:55 <Aleric> I wrote a script that does it :p
2014-04-05 16:55 <Aleric> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Timmy_Foxclaw/About_Coordinate_Systems_and_Rotations#The_fourth_dimension
2014-04-05 16:55 <Aleric> in case someone didn't see that yet, and want to see it.
2014-04-05 16:55 <LiruCookies> Aleric: I would find where it triggers the you can't sit here, or so... 
2014-04-05 16:56 <LiruCookies> or maybe trace back gtom the scripting engine?
2014-04-05 16:56 <LiruCookies> from*
2014-04-05 16:56 <Aleric> good idea, maybe you can find the place in the code and tell me? :) Then I'll do the mathematics part.
2014-04-05 16:59 <Aleric> Anyway, the most pressing issue for me is/was how to design my lsl sit library: I needed to decide whether or not to assume I need to know the avatar size in certain places or not - cause that changes the API of the library :/.
2014-04-05 17:00 <Aleric> I think I will assume it is needed I think.. because in the end, the script needs to know it anyway to make sitting *really* work. Too bad it can't know more shape values :/
2014-04-05 17:02 <Aleric> 
ACTION ponders creating an extension to RLV that allows scripts to get more shape parameters.

2014-04-05 17:02 <Aleric> "Sorry you can't enter this club; you're too fat" would be a nice change from "you're too small"
2014-04-05 17:05 <LiruCookies> Aleric: Why not extenosfuncs?
2014-04-05 17:05 <LiruCookies> extend *
2014-04-05 17:06 <Aleric> That too.
2014-04-05 17:07 <Aleric> I also need to change my viewer to pass to my external script editor script/system if the script is being compiled on SL or opensim - then I can just deal with the differences in m4 macros.
2014-04-05 17:18 <LiruCookies> Aleric: See query
2014-04-05 17:28 <diva> Aleric I don't know anything about avatar sit targets
2014-04-05 17:30 <diva> I think Melanie_T knows
2014-04-05 17:37 <Aleric> diva: my question was not about knowledge, but about the decision if you want opensim to behave the same as SL, or that you want to differ from SL in that avatars that are larger sit a little higher.
2014-04-05 17:41 <Sked_> Does anyone know where to find getprofilepicuuid php code
2014-04-05 17:47 <osmantis> Bug #7093:04 Bulletsim: Wrong stand position. Standing on a prim floor, anything on shoes below bare feet are inside the floor. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7093 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-05 18:00 <Plugh> Sked_: You would write the code yourself unless you don't know PHP.
2014-04-05 18:04 <Aleric> What is being done in the link-sitting branch?
2014-04-05 18:12 <Sked_> you are true Plugh
2014-04-05 18:15 <Aleric> Ok.. I found the code. It's straight forward.. So the differences are clearly deliberate :/
2014-04-05 18:18 <Aleric> Hmm, this code allows me to crash the sim.
2014-04-05 18:18 <Sked_> haha
2014-04-05 18:18 <Aleric> Well, maybe.. 
2014-04-05 18:18 <Aleric> Not sure if it is checked before we get here.
2014-04-05 18:18 <Aleric> Quaternion r = sitTargetOrient;
2014-04-05 18:19 <Aleric> that is the rotation passed to llSitTarget
2014-04-05 18:19 <Aleric> if you pass a quaternion that is <0,0,0,0> ...
2014-04-05 18:19 <Aleric> m = r.X * r.X + r.Y * r.Y + r.Z * r.Z + r.W * r.W;
2014-04-05 18:19 <Aleric> then m == 0
2014-04-05 18:19 <Aleric> if (Math.Abs(1.0 - m) > 0.000001)
2014-04-05 18:19 <Aleric> is true
2014-04-05 18:19 <Aleric> {
2014-04-05 18:19 <Aleric>                         m = 1.0 / Math.Sqrt(m);
2014-04-05 18:19 <Aleric> oops
2014-04-05 18:29 <Aleric> You probably have to pass <0.0000001, 0, 0, 0> ... something non-zero but small enough to become zero when squared.
2014-04-05 18:39 <H-H-H> Sked that link i gave you to webassetts will do what you need you just need to play with it a bity to get it to comply lol 
2014-04-05 18:40 <Sked_> but can i use profile image inworld on prim too
2014-04-05 18:42 <H-H-H> yes you can use any image ghoogle image on a prim and you will find a few examples
2014-04-05 18:44 <Sked_> ok tnx
2014-04-05 19:11 <Plugh> Ah ha! llRegionSay calls LSLError if channel number is 0. I think it should just call ShoutError.
2014-04-05 19:16 <djphil> llRegionSay can't use channel 0
2014-04-05 19:23 <Plugh> I know but the use of LSLError() means you get exception spew inworld.
2014-04-05 19:30 <Plugh> Hm... there are several script functions that call LSLError to output messages when called with bad/illegal parameter values.
2014-04-05 19:31 <zadark> Aleric: Most functional change proposals are discussed on the opensim-dev mailing list. Not all possible commentators monitor IRC.
2014-04-05 19:40 <Plugh> ah, its been fixed in master but not 076PF
2014-04-05 20:07 <Aleric> zadark: ok. Already wrote the patch... testing it now.
2014-04-05 20:19 <Aleric> It works
2014-04-05 20:20 <Plugh> Last time there was a big debate about changing sitting position code.
2014-04-05 20:21 <Aleric> I now have it working like in SL - exactly the same :p. (llSitTarget that is, not sitting on prims without sittarget).
2014-04-05 20:22 <Aleric> Even if it is decided that opensim wants to have some sort of avatar height dependence then it was done wrong.
2014-04-05 20:22 <Aleric> If that is decided then I can build that in again - but in a way that the offset with SL is more like 2cm wrong in stead of 10cm.
2014-04-05 20:23 <LiruCookies> Wait... does sit not work without a script for the simple reason of PhysicsSit returning before doing anything? Why is the code there commented anyhow?
2014-04-05 20:23 <LiruCookies> 
ACTION whines at the new codebase in a foreign language

2014-04-05 20:25 <Aleric> Sitting without script is extremely complex compared to that I changed. It involves many ray traces, heuristics and collision tests.
2014-04-05 20:25 <Aleric> to what* I changed
2014-04-05 20:26 <Aleric> I don't think we can get that the same as in SL.
2014-04-05 20:26 <Aleric> It should be possible however to make it a LOT better than it is :p
2014-04-05 20:26 <Aleric> then*
2014-04-05 20:26 <Aleric> no.. than *sigh*
2014-04-05 20:41 <LiruCookies> Aleric why many ray traces? Isn't the main raytrace done at viewer picking?
2014-04-05 20:41 <Aleric> LL doesn't trust the viewer.
2014-04-05 20:42 <LiruCookies> But at the very least we should be able to say, "Hey, I found an object I want to sit on, make it so"
2014-04-05 20:42 <Aleric> Apparently, in 2007 at least, the viewer was returning nonsense - might still do that. But at any rate, it's value is ignored.
2014-04-05 20:43 <Aleric> The only information on how LL does it is from here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Andrew_Linden/Office_Hours/2007_11_06
2014-04-05 20:43 <Aleric> [17:09]	 Andrew Linden:	Ok, this is how it works...
2014-04-05 20:43 <Aleric> start there
2014-04-05 20:45 <LiruCookies> Four ray traces is nothing, and it's trial and error
2014-04-05 20:45 <LiruCookies> So it's probably only onr
2014-04-05 20:45 <LiruCookies> one*
2014-04-05 20:46 <Aleric> All I was saying that it's a lot more than one multiplication, and that we can't get it exactly the same as in SL because we don't know what they do.
2014-04-05 20:47 <LiruCookies> But it says right there
2014-04-05 20:47 <LiruCookies> We can at the very least experiment
2014-04-05 20:47 <Aleric> Maybe I could get it exactly the same with a one month research.. but I'm not :p
2014-04-05 20:47 <LiruCookies> Just toss something that works together, and inspire?
2014-04-05 20:48 <Aleric> sit and click situations are unique anyway, and not depending on scripts. Anything that is satisfactory is good.
2014-04-05 20:52 <Ken_S> Aleric, if worse came to worse, opensim.ini setting could be used to let people have their own custom offsets
2014-04-05 21:03 <Aleric> Ken: why don't you add a comment, saying that you are very happy with it and can't wait till it is applied? ;)
2014-04-05 21:22 <paulieflomar> Is CIA dead? I just added a note to MANTIS and I dont see any reporting of it here.
2014-04-05 21:28 <Ken_S> Aleric, which mantis is it attached to?
2014-04-05 21:29 <Aleric> Ken_S: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7096
2014-04-05 21:34 <paulieflomar> I just noted 6813 and 7067.
2014-04-05 21:35 <paulieflomar> Oh sorry, you were talking to Aleric. :)
2014-04-05 21:47 <diva> Aleric, I don't care. I have no idea what SL does. As long as things work consistently in OpenSim, that's all that matters. And if I remember correctly that issue has been a topic of debate before. But since I don't care, I never paid attention to that debate. So you probably will get a better answer from others who care.
2014-04-05 21:57 <dahlia> 
ACTION doesnt care either but notes that users usually consider any deviation from SL to be a bug and often scream quite loudly about them

2014-04-05 21:57 <paulieflomar> Here's an oldie but a goddie which shows difference between SL sit and OS sit: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1516
2014-04-05 21:59 <paulieflomar> It's only been an issue since 2008, so the problem is relatively new. :)
2014-04-05 22:00 <dahlia> add a comment: "patches are welcome :)"
2014-04-05 22:01 <paulieflomar> But changing ANYTHING related to sit positions in OpenSin risks a huge hairball of protest. :)
2014-04-05 22:01 <paulieflomar> you will "break" a tremendous amount of content (and hearts)
2014-04-05 22:08 <Arielle_> sits that work properly on unscripted  prims would be nice though
2014-04-05 22:14 <paulieflomar> Yeah.
2014-04-05 22:16 <Arielle_> save having to  put in scripted ones thereby reducing overall script load
2014-04-05 22:36 <dahlia> sit targets persist; the script can be deleted
2014-04-05 22:50 <MarcusLlew> It's been a long while since I've checked. But if a script creates a site target and it removed, that sit target may not survive when a region is restored from an OAR file.
2014-04-05 22:50 <MarcusLlew> Argh. ...a sit target and is removed...
2014-04-05 22:51 <dahlia> thats probably an oar bug assuming it still exists
2014-04-05 22:52 <MarcusLlew> Particles didn't survive either at that time without a script. I have no idea how it is now, though.
2014-04-05 22:53 <MarcusLlew> That was literally years go, so I just left the scripts in things.
2014-04-05 22:53 <Arielle_> safer that way
2014-04-05 22:54 <MarcusLlew> I took em all out thinking I was being oh-so Mister Efficient. Then restored and... oops.
2014-04-05 22:55 <Arielle_> in any case it would be a lot more convenient if  like s/l the avatar sits on the face of a prim rather then  half a foot above it
2014-04-05 22:55 <MarcusLlew> No particles, sits, textures animations... poofers.
2014-04-05 22:55 <Arielle_> saves a lot of  fiddling with  sit scripts
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2014-04-06 12:09 <osmantis> Bug #7093:04 Bulletsim: Wrong stand position. Standing on a prim floor, anything on shoes below bare feet are inside the floor. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7093 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-06 15:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #3471 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-06 15:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3471: SUCCESS in 3 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3471/
2014-04-06 15:07 <osjenkins> * orenh: Pass the correct position to QueryAccess() instead of UUID.Zero (it was wrong in one place)
2014-04-06 15:07 <osjenkins> * orenh: When preparing a Hypergrid teleport, tell the receiving grid which user is entering the grid.
2014-04-06 15:07 <osjenkins> * orenh: Fixed: during a teleport we always sent the error "The teleport destination could not be found" to the client. This happened on both success and failure.
2014-04-06 15:09 <osmantis> Bug #7096:04 llSitTarget (and llLinkSitTarget) result in different position in opensim than in SecondLife 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7096 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-06 15:40 <osmantis> Bug #7096:04 llSitTarget (and llLinkSitTarget) result in different position in opensim than in SecondLife 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7096 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-06 16:44 <osmantis> Bug #7098:04 maptiles are no longer drawn 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7098 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-06 16:52 <osmantis> Bug #7093:04 Bulletsim: Wrong stand position. Standing on a prim floor, anything on shoes below bare feet are inside the floor. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7093 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007067.
2014-04-06 16:52 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007093.
2014-04-06 16:53 <osmantis> Bug #7093:04 Bulletsim: Wrong stand position. Standing on a prim floor, anything on shoes below bare feet are inside the floor. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7093 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-06 16:58 <osmantis> Bug #7093:04 Bulletsim: Wrong stand position. Standing on a prim floor, anything on shoes below bare feet are inside the floor. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7093 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-04-06 17:34 <osmantis> Bug #7046:04 Need console commands to create a new estate and change the estate assigned to an existing region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7046 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-04-06 17:35 <osmantis> Bug #7046:04 [PATCH] Need console commands to create a new estate and change the estate assigned to an existing region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7046 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-06 17:41 <Melanie_T> LiruCookies, Aleric: The "can sit/can't sit decision is in two places. If the prim has a sit target set, one and only one avatar can sit on it. any sit attempt on that prim after that fails, unless it;s the root prim. If you try to sit on the root prim and any child prim has an uoccupied sit target, you will be sat on it, in link order.
2014-04-06 17:43 <Melanie_T> If no sit target is set on the object, or you clicked a child prim without one, a sit position is searched for. this part may be in physics, not sure, because ot involves multiple raycasts. if a sit position can't be determined, you can't sit
2014-04-06 17:43 <Melanie_T> else you're set according to that position
2014-04-06 17:43 <Melanie_T> unscripted sit allows more than one avatar per prim. 
2014-04-06 18:57 <osmantis> Bug #7046:04 [PATCH] Need console commands to create a new estate and change the estate assigned to an existing region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7046 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-06 21:14 <osmantis> Bug #7093:04 Bulletsim: Wrong stand position. Standing on a prim floor, anything on shoes below bare feet are inside the floor. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7093 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-06 21:37 <osmantis> Bug #7098:04 maptiles are no longer drawn 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7098 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-06 22:21 <osmantis> Bug #7098:04 maptiles are no longer drawn 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7098 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-06 22:33 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-04-07 01:12 <osmantis> Bug #7098:04 maptiles are no longer drawn 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7098 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-07 01:35 <smxy_> I thought the grid owner could request admin powers anywhere in the grid. I just created a new estate with 3 regions in it, owned by someone other than me, but when I'm in them, I can't request admin powers - it's denied.
2014-04-07 01:36 <smxy_> What am I doing wrong?
2014-04-07 02:27 <smxy_> I have a user level of 250 ...
2014-04-07 02:32 <Ken_S> smxy, as far as I know you have to be the owner to do that.
2014-04-07 02:33 <smxy_> I own the grid. I ought to be able to become a god anywhere, I'd think.
2014-04-07 02:33 <Ken_S> or the manager
2014-04-07 02:33 <smxy_> You know, like a Linden.
2014-04-07 02:34 <Ken_S> Also depends on your opensim.ini settings whether a manager can do that.
2014-04-07 02:35 <Ken_S> I own a sim in osg and used the regions.ini setting to assign it to a different user.
2014-04-07 02:35 <Ken_S> Even though I own the land I cannot even change the land settings now.
2014-04-07 02:37 <smxy_> It's not clear to me what being a grid owner/god buys me if I can't do anything in my grid, just because I gave ownership of some land to someone.
2014-04-07 02:37 <Ken_S> Maybe try in the regions.ini file put this:
2014-04-07 02:38 <Ken_S> MasterAvatarFirstName = YourAVFirstName
2014-04-07 02:38 <Ken_S> MasterAvatarLastName = YourAVLastName
2014-04-07 02:38 <smxy_> I thought those were deprecated a long time ago.
2014-04-07 02:39 <smxy_> And wouldn;t that make me the owner?
2014-04-07 02:39 <smxy_> I'm not the owner.
2014-04-07 02:39 <smxy_> per se
2014-04-07 02:39 <Ken_S> They work because when I did this for a user, I can no longer access the land settings
2014-04-07 02:41 <Plugh> smxy_: How do you have the *_is_god settings in OpenSim.ini?
2014-04-07 02:41 <Ken_S> Hold a sec let me look...
2014-04-07 02:42 <smxy_> The only thing god related that I change from the default settings (which may be my problem, for all I know) is that I set allow_grid_gods = true
2014-04-07 02:42 <Ken_S> Ill list the ones I have and their settings:
2014-04-07 02:43 <Ken_S>     allow_grid_gods = true
2014-04-07 02:43 <Ken_S> region_owner_is_god = true
2014-04-07 02:43 <Ken_S> region_manager_is_god = true
2014-04-07 02:44 <smxy_> the first one is all that ought to be needed
2014-04-07 02:44 <Ken_S> ; parcel_owner_is_god = true
2014-04-07 02:44 <Ken_S> That last one is commented out so default is used on it.
2014-04-07 02:44 <Ken_S> What worked best for me was to let a user be manager of a sim, rather than owner.
2014-04-07 02:45 <Ken_S> They could then do anything they wanted there, and I still could too.
2014-04-07 02:45 <smxy_> allow_grid_gods = true "This allows users with a Userlevel of 200 or more (I'm 250) to assume god powers in the regions in this simulator"
2014-04-07 02:45 <smxy_> That should be all I need.
2014-04-07 02:45 <smxy_> But I get denied when I try.
2014-04-07 02:46 <Ken_S> When I used the MasterAvatarFirstName and MasterAvatarLastName to someone else, then the grid owner cannot do any more than a normal user on that sim.
2014-04-07 02:46 <LiruCookies> Ken_S: I have no idea how Melanie_T hooked it up but there is a mechanic somewhere to tell the viewer what avatar names are grid gods (unmutable, Linden colors on map and such)
2014-04-07 02:47 <LiruCookies> The viewer being Singu, mainly.. no idea if anyelse picked it up.
2014-04-07 02:47 <Ken_S> I really have no idea how it is supposed to work, I just adapt to how it works.
2014-04-07 02:48 <smxy_> The way I read it, that one setting, plus my user level, should be all I need to become a god in their regions.
2014-04-07 02:49 <osmantis> Bug #7098:04 maptiles are no longer drawn 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7098 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-07 02:50 <Ken_S> They way it reads and the way it behaves is anot always the same.
2014-04-07 02:50 <smxy_> That's called a bug.
2014-04-07 02:50 <Ken_S> Or the comments may simply not be correct
2014-04-07 02:50 <dahlia> there are no bugs, only undocumented features 
2014-04-07 02:51 <smxy_> That's a bug in the documentation, Ken.
2014-04-07 02:51 <Ken_S> I read it as Allow_Grid_Gods=false means no one can ever have admin access, and
2014-04-07 02:52 <Ken_S> Allow_Grid_Gods=true allows it under the conditions defined by the other god related settings
2014-04-07 02:52 <Ken_S> But thats just the way I read it
2014-04-07 02:52 <smxy> That's NOT what the documentation says.
2014-04-07 02:53 <Ken_S> I didnt read the documentation because it is rarely correct in every way
2014-04-07 02:53 <Ken_S> I just used logic based on the names of the ini settings and the comments in the ini file for those settings
2014-04-07 02:54 <smxy> It would be useful if it told me WHY it's denying me god power, rather than simply saying it's denied.
2014-04-07 02:54 <Ken_S> File a mantis if you think it should behave different
2014-04-07 02:54 <dahlia> you mean telling you on the viewer? that would be bad
2014-04-07 02:55 <smxy> At the console would be fine.
2014-04-07 02:55 <smxy> So and so tried to become god and was denied because ...
2014-04-07 02:58 <Ken_S> smxy, I just did a test with this and
2014-04-07 02:59 <Ken_S> I am able to access god level in OSG on a sim where I used the Master avater in regions.ini to assign that status to someone else, but
2014-04-07 02:59 <Ken_S> I still cannot access the land settings there.
2014-04-07 03:00 <nebadon> I thought the master avatar settings in Regions.ini was deprecated
2014-04-07 03:00 <smxy> that's what I told him
2014-04-07 03:00 <Ken_S> I have not tried this on my test grid where I am grid owner.
2014-04-07 03:00 <Ken_S> Apparently it still does something
2014-04-07 03:00 <smxy> deprecated doesn't mean gone. Just that you should stop using it because it's going away.
2014-04-07 03:01 <Ken_S> I only used it because I was given a regions.ini file that had that in it and decided to try it.
2014-04-07 03:02 <Ken_S> Normally if I am giving someone a free sim, I just make them the manager of that sim and do nothing to the regions.ini file
2014-04-07 03:03 <osmantis> Bug #7098:04 maptiles are no longer drawn 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7098 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-07 03:04 <smxy> I created a new estate when I made the first sim and made her the owner of the estate. all the sims in the estate beloong to her.
2014-04-07 03:06 <smxy> According to the docs (which, yes, may be wrong), all I should need is allow_grid_gods = true, for me (with a Userlevel 200+) for me to become god in those regions. I just need to figure out why it isn't working, whether it's the docs or the code or my understanding of them that's wrong.
2014-04-07 03:06 <smxy> I guess I need to start searching the code for "god".
2014-04-07 03:07 <nebadon_> ok sorry had to reboot
2014-04-07 03:07 <nebadon_> so smxy what exactly is the problem with grid gods?
2014-04-07 03:07 <nebadon_> i use it all the time myself
2014-04-07 03:08 <smxy> I made three new regions in a new estate created along with the first one. I made the estate owned by a local avatar, and so she owns the regions.
2014-04-07 03:09 <smxy> I can't assume god status in the regions, even though allow_grid_gods = true and my userlevel is 250
2014-04-07 03:09 <nebadon> is the permissions module enabled correctly?
2014-04-07 03:09 <smxy> just a sec
2014-04-07 03:09 <nebadon> ya pastebin it let me see
2014-04-07 03:10 <smxy> [Permissions]
2014-04-07 03:10 <smxy>     permissionmodules = "DefaultPermissionsModule,PrimLimitsModule"
2014-04-07 03:10 <smxy>     allow_grid_gods = true
2014-04-07 03:11 <nebadon> that should work
2014-04-07 03:11 <nebadon> were you a grid god already?
2014-04-07 03:11 <Plugh> The grid god settings are (or can be) under [Permissions] now?
2014-04-07 03:11 <nebadon> or did you upgrade yourself to a god after the region already started up?
2014-04-07 03:12 <Plugh> ah, ok.
2014-04-07 03:12 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-04-07 03:12 <smxy> When it didn't work, I looked - these are the first regions not owned by me - and I had a user level of 0 and could become god in my regions. I raised my level to 250 and relogged. Didn't help.
2014-04-07 03:12 <smxy> After
2014-04-07 03:12 <smxy> rstart the regions?
2014-04-07 03:12 <nebadon> you need to restart those regions
2014-04-07 03:12 <nebadon> yes
2014-04-07 03:12 <nebadon> it caches user levels
2014-04-07 03:12 <smxy> let me try that
2014-04-07 03:13 <nebadon> if you logged in there as a non god once
2014-04-07 03:13 <Ken_S> I have permissionmodules = DefaultPermissionsModule
2014-04-07 03:13 <nebadon> changing robust database wont help until region is restarted
2014-04-07 03:13 <Ken_S> with nothing else and no quotes
2014-04-07 03:13 <nebadon> its a pain but we have to cache user levels
2014-04-07 03:14 <nebadon> otehrwise you create a lot of requests to robust for user levels every log in
2014-04-07 03:14 <smxy> That's something I didn't know, nebadon, and probably the problem. Will kknow in a moment. 
2014-04-07 03:14 <nebadon> k cool
2014-04-07 03:15 <nebadon> im almost positive this is your problem
2014-04-07 03:15 <nebadon> ive done same thing 100 times myself
2014-04-07 03:15 <smxy> Bingo! Just gotta ask the right person. Thank you, sir. :)
2014-04-07 03:15 <nebadon> no problem glad to help
2014-04-07 03:18 <smxy> Now, if she needs help, I can give it.
2014-04-07 03:20 <nebadon> cool
2014-04-07 03:20 <nebadon> you can also set your UserFlag to 780
2014-04-07 03:20 <nebadon> this indicates you are a Linden Employee I think
2014-04-07 03:20 <nebadon> i forget exactly what that does, but I always do that
2014-04-07 03:20 <smxy> Flag, not Level?
2014-04-07 03:21 <nebadon> right
2014-04-07 03:21 <smxy> Liru was talking about that earlier, just wasn't sure how to turn it on.
2014-04-07 03:22 <nebadon> if your running divas wifi you can set it in there
2014-04-07 03:22 <nebadon> or just edit the UserAccounts DB 
2014-04-07 03:22 <smxy> I have a feeling that having actual residents is going to make me learn stuff I never would have - which is half the point.
2014-04-07 03:22 <smxy> Yes, using Wifi.
2014-04-07 03:22 <nebadon> ya do it that way
2014-04-07 03:22 <nebadon> its safer hehe
2014-04-07 03:23 <smxy> I suppose I need to restart the entire grid for that to take effect.
2014-04-07 03:24 <nebadon> userFlags
2014-04-07 03:24 <nebadon>     Account Types: 
2014-04-07 03:24 <nebadon>     Insert 200 to: Resident:Payment info on account 
2014-04-07 03:24 <nebadon>     Insert 300 to: Testing:Payment info on account 
2014-04-07 03:24 <nebadon>     Insert 400 to: Testing:No payment info on account 
2014-04-07 03:24 <nebadon>     Insert 600 to: Member Estatute:Payment info on account 
2014-04-07 03:24 <nebadon>     Insert 800 to: Linden Contracted 
2014-04-07 03:24 <nebadon>     New Info by Matpratta (matpratta@gmail.com) How-to 
2014-04-07 03:24 <nebadon> I dont think 800 is correct 
2014-04-07 03:24 <nebadon> but anything above 780 - Linden
2014-04-07 03:25 <smxy> I made the change. Do I need to restart my grid for it to take effect?
2014-04-07 03:25 <nebadon> I don't honestly know what it does, but Melanie recommended it to me long ago
2014-04-07 03:25 <nebadon> just the regions you already logged into
2014-04-07 03:25 <smxy> That would be all of them. :P
2014-04-07 03:25 <nebadon> heh ya
2014-04-07 03:25 <Plugh> nebadon: Are those levels documented in the wiki somewhere?
2014-04-07 03:26 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Database:Users
2014-04-07 03:26 <nebadon> here is where i found it Plugh
2014-04-07 03:26 <Plugh> ok, good.
2014-04-07 03:27 <Plugh> The other thing is the special UUID for land(?) to do auctions.
2014-04-07 03:27 <Plugh> for land owner.
2014-04-07 03:27 <nebadon> hmm I am not familiar with that
2014-04-07 03:27 <smxy> The other reason for having residents, besides me learning stuff like this, is that they will do stuff I never would, that will trigger bugs that can be reported. :)
2014-04-07 03:27 <nebadon> never done a land auction before
2014-04-07 03:28 <Plugh> you can set land for sale at auction but there is a special UUID related to that. I'll have to dig up the information on that. I have it written down somewhere.
2014-04-07 03:28 <smxy> Governor Linden's?
2014-04-07 03:28 <Plugh> smxy: yea, it is related to Governor Linden.
2014-04-07 03:29 <Plugh> I'm going to call it a night. Got up early (for me) after 6 hours sleep and I was at a convention all day. I'm feeling a bit tired.
2014-04-07 03:30 <smxy> Hmm. I just realized why my cats are acting like vultures ... was supposed to feed them 2 hours ago. Back in a few minutes. Thanks for the help, nebadon.
2014-04-07 03:30 <nebadon> no problem
2014-04-07 03:30 <nebadon> g'night plugh
2014-04-07 03:31 <Plugh> Night, everyone.
2014-04-07 03:43 <smxy> Now I just need a way for region owners to make and load OARS and IARS and to restart their regions.
2014-04-07 03:43 <smxy> But a web developer I am not.
2014-04-07 03:44 <LiruCookies> smxy: Are you one of the devs? I want to add viewer support for that if someone is interested
2014-04-07 03:44 <smxy> No, I'm not, but I was just typing that someone should add that stuff to the viewers. :)
2014-04-07 03:44 <smxy> You beat me to it.
2014-04-07 03:45 <smxy> It would be the perfect place for it.
2014-04-07 03:46 <smxy> You are already supposed to be able to restart it from there, but I don't think it works.
2014-04-07 03:46 <LiruCookies> You can't restart an OSGrid region?
2014-04-07 03:46 <smxy> Not from in the viewer, I don't think.
2014-04-07 03:47 <smxy> And users in my grid don't have console access to their regions.
2014-04-07 03:48 <smxy> And I'm definitely not going to let them ssh in to my servers. :)
2014-04-07 03:49 <LiruCookies> alt-r, debug tab?
2014-04-07 03:51 <nebadon> you can
2014-04-07 03:51 <nebadon> but I have found it unreliable
2014-04-07 03:51 <nebadon> but it does actually work
2014-04-07 03:51 <nebadon> actually I bet it works better now
2014-04-07 03:51 <nebadon> a long time ago opensimulator was prone to hanging on Xengine on shutdown
2014-04-07 03:51 <nebadon> and region would never come back up, i bet it works a lot better now
2014-04-07 03:51 <nebadon> you should test it smxy
2014-04-07 03:52 <smxy> After they come up, I will. :)
2014-04-07 03:53 <smxy> So it restarts the region or the simulator? If the sim, what makes it start again?
2014-04-07 03:53 <nebadon> you would need to run it in a loop
2014-04-07 03:53 <nebadon> your on linux or windows?
2014-04-07 03:54 <nebadon> Linux right?
2014-04-07 03:54 <smxy> linux
2014-04-07 03:54 <nebadon> ok let me get you my launch script
2014-04-07 03:54 <nebadon> 1 sec
2014-04-07 03:54 <smxy> I know how to loop. just haven't
2014-04-07 03:54 <smxy> while :
2014-04-07 03:54 <smxy> do
2014-04-07 03:54 <smxy> run_sim simname
2014-04-07 03:54 <smxy> done
2014-04-07 03:55 <nebadon> ya
2014-04-07 03:55 <nebadon> while ($TRUE); do mono --server --debug OpenSim.exe; done
2014-04-07 03:55 <nebadon> this is my script 
2014-04-07 03:56 <smxy> essentially the same, yeah
2014-04-07 03:58 <smxy> Dn't you have to be IN the region to tell it to restart? Taht'll just crash you on it's way down ...
2014-04-07 03:59 <nebadon> I cant remember now if its instant
2014-04-07 04:00 <nebadon> you could also technically give your users access to osConsoleCommand
2014-04-07 04:00 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsConsoleCommand
2014-04-07 04:00 <nebadon> and they could trigger a shutdown in 5 minutes notice
2014-04-07 04:01 <nebadon> ie : region restart bluebox <message> <delta seconds>+ - Schedule a region restart
2014-04-07 04:02 <smxy> I just told it to restart in 3 minutes and left the region.
2014-04-07 04:02 <nebadon> from estate panel?
2014-04-07 04:03 <nebadon> its been a while since i used that, i cant remember how it works now
2014-04-07 04:03 <smxy> I think it was debug
2014-04-07 04:03 <nebadon> ya
2014-04-07 04:03 <nebadon> ok cool
2014-04-07 04:03 <nebadon> it should work
2014-04-07 04:03 <smxy> now I wait and see
2014-04-07 04:04 <smxy> yeah, they aren't getting that command, lol
2014-04-07 04:05 <nebadon> haha
2014-04-07 04:05 <smxy> bam, down and up in seconds. I might want a slight pause in between.
2014-04-07 04:05 <nebadon> you can do that in the script
2014-04-07 04:05 <smxy> yes
2014-04-07 04:05 <smxy> sleep xx
2014-04-07 04:05 <nebadon> ya
2014-04-07 04:05 <smxy> Maybe a 10 second pause
2014-04-07 04:06 <smxy> And maybe an email to me that it was restarted.
2014-04-07 04:07 <smxy> Now how do I shut the region down? :)
2014-04-07 04:07 <smxy> hehe
2014-04-07 04:09 <nebadon> ya that is the trickier part heh
2014-04-07 04:09 <nebadon> normally from the console i will do a normal shutdown and then ctrl+c as inbetween
2014-04-07 04:09 <nebadon> thats where the sleep comes in handy
2014-04-07 04:09 <smxy> yes, you can hit a control c
2014-04-07 04:12 <smxy> Okay, so they can restart their sims. Now I just need to fogure out OARS and IARS.
2014-04-07 04:13 <smxy> That really should be something they can do from their viewer.
2014-04-07 04:13 <nebadon> ya that gets a bit trickier
2014-04-07 04:13 <nebadon> I cant remember if IAR upload is in the latest wifi yet
2014-04-07 04:13 <nebadon> if not it probably will be on next version
2014-04-07 04:13 <nebadon> oars are much trickier
2014-04-07 04:13 <nebadon> has to be done directly at the simulator
2014-04-07 04:14 <nebadon> IAR can be done on robust no need for simulator
2014-04-07 04:14 <nebadon> a region module could be made im sure though
2014-04-07 04:17 <smxy> Doing it from Wifi would be nice, but not everyone uses Wifi, plus it often breaks on development code and stays broken until the next release. So, handling them from the viewer is better.
2014-04-07 04:18 <nebadon> yea
2014-04-07 04:18 <nebadon> that would be great
2014-04-07 04:18 <nebadon> however im not sure oars could be done from viewer
2014-04-07 04:19 <nebadon> iars yes
2014-04-07 04:19 <smxy> Why not?
2014-04-07 04:20 <nebadon> its hard to say if you could or not
2014-04-07 04:20 <nebadon> loading oars over top of other oars doesnt always end well
2014-04-07 04:21 <smxy> Well, that's an issue aside from where the oar is loaded, right?
2014-04-07 04:21 <smxy> You'd have the same problem if done at the console.
2014-04-07 04:21 <nebadon> I suppose
2014-04-07 04:22 <nebadon> i guess it could be done, it is not a trivial task though
2014-04-07 04:23 <nebadon> the other question is could you save oars from viewer
2014-04-07 04:23 <nebadon> and how do you do that securely
2014-04-07 04:24 <nebadon> in wifi for IARs user has to have a certain userlevel set
2014-04-07 04:24 <nebadon> in OSCC anyone with userlevel 10+ could upload IARs on website
2014-04-07 04:25 <nebadon> im not sure you would want just anyone to be able to upload oars and iars
2014-04-07 04:25 <nebadon> could be disruptives
2014-04-07 04:25 <nebadon> if say during an event someone uploads a 1gb iar file
2014-04-07 04:29 <LiruCookies> What is OAR?
2014-04-07 04:30 <nebadon> its a region archive
2014-04-07 04:32 <smxy> I can make those without needing to know any passwords, so could schedule say a weekly one and keep a few around, rotating them. At they'd exist if someone asked for a reload of an oar.
2014-04-07 04:32 <smxy> Or even a daily ooone.
2014-04-07 04:32 <smxy> one*
2014-04-07 04:33 <smxy> At least* they'd exist ...
2014-04-07 04:34 <smxy> I should start backing up the DB now too ...
2014-04-07 04:39 <smxy> I'm seeing a new issue. Twice now I've been unable to TP around my grid.
2014-04-07 04:40 <smxy> I get a message that says "Could not teleport. Teleport refused: Failed to verify user presence in the grid for Shaun Emerald, access denied to region foo."
2014-04-07 04:40 <smxy> Where foo is any place I try to TP to.
2014-04-07 04:40 <smxy> It's like the grid forgot I'm logged in.
2014-04-07 04:41 <nebadon> that is odd for sure
2014-04-07 04:42 <nebadon> thats almost like you have actually been logged out at the Robust level
2014-04-07 04:42 <smxy> Twice tonight. Never saw it before updating today.
2014-04-07 04:42 <nebadon> but the region thinks your still logged in
2014-04-07 04:42 <smxy> yes
2014-04-07 04:54 <smxy> Time for bed. Night All.
2014-04-07 04:56 <LiruCookies> nebadon: can you be logged out of that level?
2014-04-07 04:57 <nebadon> you mean by another admin or something?
2014-04-07 04:57 <LiruCookies> Like the scenario smxy said
2014-04-07 04:57 <LiruCookies> Is that possible?
2014-04-07 05:02 <nebadon> oh
2014-04-07 05:03 <nebadon> well technically it is possible
2014-04-07 05:03 <nebadon> smxy mentioned restarting all regions on the grid
2014-04-07 05:03 <nebadon> its possible there was a hung session on one of the regions
2014-04-07 05:03 <nebadon> shutting that region down could have informed RObust to log him out
2014-04-07 05:03 <smxy> I was logged out when I did the restart
2014-04-07 05:04 <orenh> smxy open a Mantis about it
2014-04-07 05:04 <nebadon> ah
2014-04-07 05:04 <nebadon> hmm
2014-04-07 05:04 <orenh> turn on "debug http all 6" on the sim and robust
2014-04-07 05:04 <nebadon> ya that doesnt sound good for sure
2014-04-07 05:04 <orenh> and post the logs from when that happens
2014-04-07 05:05 <smxy> Okay, I'll do that tomorrow night after work and see if I can get it to happen again. Thanks.
2014-04-07 07:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #3472 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-07 07:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3472: SUCCESS in 6 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3472/
2014-04-07 07:44 <osjenkins> * orenh: Refactored: use Scene.GetAgentHomeURI() to get the Home URI of a user
2014-04-07 07:44 <osjenkins> * orenh: When sending QueryAccess to a region, also send the user's Home URI
2014-04-07 08:21 <osmantis> Bug #7099:04 Volumous logging and repetative messages about [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: GetRegionContainingWorldLocation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7099 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-07 08:27 <osmantis> Bug #7099:04 Volumous logging and repetative messages about [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: GetRegionContainingWorldLocation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7099 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-07 08:34 <osmantis> Bug #7099:04 Volumous logging and repetative messages about [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: GetRegionContainingWorldLocation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7099 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-07 08:41 <osmantis> Bug #7099:04 Volumous logging and repetative messages about [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: GetRegionContainingWorldLocation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7099 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-07 08:57 <osmantis> Bug #7099:04 Volumous logging and repetative messages about [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: GetRegionContainingWorldLocation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7099 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-07 09:20 <osmantis> Bug #7099:04 Volumous logging and repetative messages about [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: GetRegionContainingWorldLocation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7099 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-07 12:08 <osmantis> Bug #7099:04 Volumous logging and repetitive messages about [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: GetRegionContainingWorldLocation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7099 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-07 12:39 <Wolkenreiter> Hi! I've been given the task of interfacing OpenSim to an external user database... can someone give me a few hints to get started?
2014-04-07 12:48 <antont> Wolkenreiter: afaik it does that by default, uses http to talk with the user service .. using the ROBUST connectors (U there is for users iirc :)
2014-04-07 12:52 <Wolkenreiter> Well, yes, of course, it uses MySQL for user database, but what I'm trying to is the following: when the login service receives login data by the viewer, it will first validate this information against a LMS user database through a  webservice...
2014-04-07 12:53 <antont> that's kind of what i meant too, with ROBUST in grid conf opensim uses http to auth
2014-04-07 12:55 <Wolkenreiter> humm, so I would have to provide a webservice which returns account data in an OS-Viewer-compatible way?
2014-04-07 12:56 <antont> ROBUST is used between the sim server and the auth web service afaik, is not related to viewer
2014-04-07 12:56 <Wolkenreiter> Oh!
2014-04-07 12:57 <antont> i don't really know those things, just recall vague memories from years ago when the opensim devs introduced those :)
2014-04-07 12:57 <antont> i do think i know and recall correctly how the viewers auth, was doing viewer dev then
2014-04-07 12:59 <Wolkenreiter> Well, I had hoped OS would provide a clean way to hook into the login process, somehow.... I'm currently a bit lost in the complexity of the code :)
2014-04-07 13:00 <antont> well like said afaik ROBUST is that
2014-04-07 13:00 <antont> defines how to use whatever http backend to authenticate
2014-04-07 13:01 <Wolkenreiter> Humm, I'll have to look into that, then... thanks for the hint :)
2014-04-07 13:03 <antont> it's also possible to just override the auth code in opensim and do whatever. but yes robust is one http protocol for it already
2014-04-07 13:19 <smxy> orenh: what's the default http debug level, so I can turn that back off? :)
2014-04-07 13:20 <smxy> 0?
2014-04-07 13:20 <orenh> 0
2014-04-07 13:20 <smxy> okay. It happened again, so I turned it on, tried again, logged it.
2014-04-07 13:21 <smxy> got the log of it from robust plus source and destination regions
2014-04-07 13:29 <osmantis> Bug #7100:04 Can't TP: Failed to verify user presence in the grid ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7100 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-07 13:30 <smxy> Oh, I should add that a relog fixes it.
2014-04-07 13:30 <osmantis> Bug #7100:04 Can't TP: Failed to verify user presence in the grid ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7100 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-07 14:23 <Ken_S> smxy, how many sims are in your grid, and how many instances?
2014-04-07 14:49 <smxy> 25 regions and sims. I run 1:1.
2014-04-07 14:55 <Ken_S> When you start them, do you do a rolling start?
2014-04-07 14:56 <Ken_S> smxy, the reason I asked is because I have had similar issues when I was starting too many sims at once.
2014-04-07 14:57 <smxy> Yes. I don't start them all at once.
2014-04-07 14:57 <Ken_S> If the CPU got too close to 100% during the startup process, I would see issues like you described along with other issues.
2014-04-07 14:58 <smxy> CPU is getting no where near 100%.
2014-04-07 14:58 <Ken_S> smxy, ok then that's not the issue then.
2014-04-07 14:59 <smxy> This is a brand new issue for my grid, that only started yesterday.
2014-04-07 15:00 <smxy> That I noticed, anyway.
2014-04-07 15:00 <smxy> I don't often tp around my grid. But when it fails, you notice right away. :)
2014-04-07 15:08 <Plugh> smxy: What issues were you (and Ken) seeing if too many regions were started at once?
2014-04-07 15:09 <Plugh> 
ACTION missed the earlier part of the discussion

2014-04-07 15:15 <Ken_S> smxy, I was some TP issues until orenh's changes yesterday.
2014-04-07 15:15 <Ken_S> Have you updated since then?
2014-04-07 15:16 <H-H-H> ooo interesting i should update then lol
2014-04-07 15:21 <Ken_S> Rapid back and forth across borders does still freeze up the AV sometimes though.
2014-04-07 15:49 <Plugh> Ken_S: I missed the earlier part of you talk with smxy. What problem(s) do you encounter if you start too many regions at a time? How many do you consider "too many"?
2014-04-07 15:50 <Ken_S> Plugh, if I dont do rolling restarts timed out properly, the CPU can get too close to 100% during startup.
2014-04-07 15:51 <Ken_S> When this happens TPs fail and all kind of other strange issues happen on the sims that started after that happened.
2014-04-07 15:55 <Plugh> ok.
2014-04-07 17:03 <LiruCookies> Good Morgen Everyone~
2014-04-07 17:18 <smxy> Ken_S: Yes, I'm running current head which has oren's changes from yesterday.
2014-04-07 17:19 <smxy> I'm not prepared to lay the blame at their feet, however.
2014-04-07 18:05 <osmantis> Bug #7096:04 llSitTarget (and llLinkSitTarget) result in different position in opensim than in SecondLife 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7096 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-07 18:16 <frnic> Is there a reason the OpenSimDefaults.ini and the OpenSim.ini.example have different information/comments/organization? Does it just need a volunteer to make the older style defaults match the newer .example?
2014-04-07 18:19 <H-H-H> opensimdefaults.ini is the config however opensim.ini overides it so if for example you have the same section in the 2 files then the one in opensim.ini will be used however if there isnt then the one in opensimdefaults is used
2014-04-07 18:21 <frnic> H-H-H, I understand what they are and how they work. My question has to do with the format and content. The defaults file is an older format and the two do not have the same content. So it makes diffing them to look for changes difficult.
2014-04-07 18:22 <H-H-H> that is unfortunately something that happens in a project like this lol however if you can see places where it needs tidying then feel free to do it and send a patch via a request on mantis
2014-04-07 18:24 <frnic> I will be glad to make the defaults file the same "look and feel" as the .example file if there is no reason for the default file to remain the way it is. Of course that is a "dangerous" change and could significantly impact everyone if the defaults are not correct. Since I tend to run fairly "simple" grids, it would need to be tested carefully.
2014-04-07 18:25 <H-H-H> thats why i said use mantis as there everyone has a chance to comment on it and or make suggestions
2014-04-07 18:26 <frnic> okay, well, if anyone knows any reasons or has any caveats before I start, otherwise I will post a patch tomorrow.
2014-04-07 18:26 <MarcusLlew> The mailing list might also be a good venue for discussion on the topic.
2014-04-07 18:27 <H-H-H> yes it would
2014-04-07 18:28 <MarcusLlew> The only thing I can think off off the top of my head is that OpenSimDefaults is very generalized in terms of defaults. The OpenSim.ini.example is, on the other hand, precondifgured specifically to get a standalone up and running nearly out of the box.
2014-04-07 18:34 <Arielle_> opensimdefaults.ini was specifically created as a place for the defaults that shouldnt be changed, in one place. I think Melanie_T was behind its creation a couple years ago. 
2014-04-07 18:37 <MarcusLlew> To be pendantic, it's not that they shouldn't be changed, it's that they shouldn't be changed in OpenSimDefaults. OpenSimDefaults seems to serve two purposes; documentation of options that're rarely used, and as a fallback to the safest/sanest settings when no other INI file overrides it.
2014-04-07 18:39 <frnic> Yes, agreed. My point is just to make the two files have the same format and be organized the same so they can be compared - after the patch a diff would show all the default setting lines and any additional settings (and comments) that are in the defaults and not in the example. I assume there should NEVER be settings in the .example that are not in the defaults.
2014-04-07 18:41 <MarcusLlew> I don't dount, not one bit, that both files could use a bit of eyeballing. :)
2014-04-07 18:43 <frnic> Someone has recently done a great job of cleaning up the .ini.example file - I believe I saw something come though here or on the mailing list about standardizing it to help with automating a web page config tool. It is vastly better than it used to be, I certainly thank whoever did all that work.
2014-04-07 18:43 <MarcusLlew> Those "helper comments" in OpenSim.ini?
2014-04-07 18:44 <MarcusLlew> The ones with the curly braces, I mean.
2014-04-07 18:44 <frnic> That is a big part of it, yes - standardiuzing them.
2014-04-07 18:44 <MarcusLlew> Yeah. That was me on the mailing list. I was thinking of making use of them for something I've been tinkering with.
2014-04-07 18:45 <MarcusLlew> I've already created an INI reader that'll parse them.
2014-04-07 18:45 <frnic> Then TANK YOU! Anyone that knows me knows I have always had a thing about complaining about the config files :)
2014-04-07 18:45 <frnic> TANK YOU -> THANK YOU :)
2014-04-07 18:46 <frnic> I am not proposing any changes to actual settings, just making the two files match form factor.
2014-04-07 18:46 <MarcusLlew> I got no replies to my post, so I figured I was just one my own with those. :)
2014-04-07 18:46 <frnic> I imagine there are a lot of settings that need to be "reviewed" someday, but that is a major job for a dark and evil corners.
2014-04-07 18:46 <MarcusLlew> The "helper comments" (I dunno what to call those) prolly don't belong on OpenSimDefaults. They don't really make sense there.
2014-04-07 18:47 <frnic> They don't need to be there, but they would make diff'ing a lot easier.
2014-04-07 18:47 <frnic> It is hard to review updates to verify that ini files are not changed from one version to the next.
2014-04-07 18:48 <MarcusLlew> I can see that. I don't know that a side by side diff of OpenSimDefaults and OpenSim.ini is ever gonna look pretty, though. OpenSimDefaults is simply gigantic in comparison.
2014-04-07 18:48 <Dev_Random> frnic: I recently submitted a patch that added a param to OpenSim.ini, and it was suggested that I only put it in OpenSimDefaults.ini, since it's not likely to be changed by most people.  Content should not be the same between them.
2014-04-07 18:49 <frnic> Dev_Random - understand, there is some content that is unique to defaults, but the majority is the same, by making them content that is the same, actually the same, it would help point out those "extra" sections also.
2014-04-07 18:50 <frnic> Yes, sadly, diff'ing the two will never be clean, I just want to make it a little easier.
2014-04-07 18:50 <frnic> 1800 lines vs 1000 lines - sigh
2014-04-07 18:51 <MarcusLlew> The vast majority of that is comments. ;)
2014-04-07 18:52 <frnic> Yes, and comments are a good thing.
2014-04-07 18:52 <MarcusLlew> Very!
2014-04-07 18:52 <Arielle_> the comments are good  for  at least giving a little info on the differing options available
2014-04-07 18:52 <MarcusLlew> OpenSimDefaults is the *only* documentation for some stuff.
2014-04-07 18:54 <Arielle_> my thinking is that opensim.ini should be be an ini  that can be dropped in place from one upgrade to another without having to diff
2014-04-07 18:55 <frnic> Hmm, looking over the unique content in defaults, I may need to push ou tmy offer to patch to a couple days - :) lots of unique content to be "fiddled with.
2014-04-07 18:57 <frnic> Arielle_, I never change any of the distributed ini files, but all my edits are done in my own ini's in the bin/config directory. But I try to check for any new or changed setting in the .example or defaults file every month or two...
2014-04-07 18:57 <frnic> I have been burned in the past by changes to the ini's that I did not realize were made... (past as in years ago, not recently, things are much better n ow days)
2014-04-07 18:58 <Arielle_> yes you showed me one of your ini's frnic but unfortuanetly i lost it or i would be using it
2014-04-07 18:58 <MarcusLlew> Other than the occasional new option, it's been pretty stable for a while now.
2014-04-07 18:58 <Dev_Random> mine's similar... I download an osgrid distro, diff the inis from the last one, update my overrides, and launch with -inidirectory
2014-04-07 18:58 <MarcusLlew> The only exception I can think of in recent times is the materials module setting.
2014-04-07 18:59 <Arielle_> only prob  i have seen with  the ini's is that on occasion  is  that a setting in opensimdefaults is not overridden in opensim.ini  when starting  a region
2014-04-07 18:59 <frnic> Arielle_ do you mean it doesn't work or it is not specified?
2014-04-07 19:00 <Arielle_> it doesnt pick up the  new setting  in opensim.ini
2014-04-07 19:00 <Dev_Random> I put in a patch that *mostly" cleared that up, a while back... 
2014-04-07 19:00 <Arielle_> very rare but have seen it happen
2014-04-07 19:00 <frnic> hmm, never seen it now work/override.
2014-04-07 19:00 <frnic> now->not
2014-04-07 19:01 <Arielle_> seen it happen on the permissions and once on  http_listener
2014-04-07 19:01 <MarcusLlew> I've never noticed an override fail. But, like Dev_Random, I use -inidirectory.
2014-04-07 19:01 <Arielle_> also one time in  architecture
2014-04-07 19:02 <Arielle_> simple reboot solved it  but had me wondering
2014-04-07 19:04 <Melanie_T> MarcusLlew: the abov is correct
2014-04-07 19:04 <Melanie_T> the point of OpenSimDefaults.ini is to have a place where all defaults can be seen and changed
2014-04-07 19:04 <MarcusLlew> I said something correct? Hurray! :)
2014-04-07 19:04 <Melanie_T> all values have a hardcoded defaut
2014-04-07 19:04 <Melanie_T> opensimdefaults.ini must show the same value as the hardcoded one
2014-04-07 19:04 <Melanie_T> in the distribution
2014-04-07 19:05 <Melanie_T> users can then change it if they like but the preferred way is to repeat the configuraion in opensim.ini with different values
2014-04-07 19:05 <Melanie_T> opensimini overrides opensimdefaults.ini
2014-04-07 19:05 <frnic> Melanie_T, if I update the defaults file, would it be reasonable to verify the settings against the code, or should I assume the defaults file is correct?
2014-04-07 19:06 <Melanie_T> as a contributor, if you add a setting that has a default, or change the default of a setting, you should change both code and ini
2014-04-07 19:06 <Melanie_T> as a user, you should use opensimdefaults.ini as a reference but edit only opensim.ini
2014-04-07 19:07 <frnic> Obviously verifying all the settings against the code would be a lot of work.
2014-04-07 19:07 <Melanie_T> when the file was created, it was created fromt he coded defaults
2014-04-07 19:08 <smxy> I don't think you want to change the formatting of the defaults file, as I believe Melanie_T made it that way to be parsed by another program.
2014-04-07 19:08 <Melanie_T> the defaults file, not
2014-04-07 19:08 <Melanie_T> the ini file, yes
2014-04-07 19:08 <Melanie_T> but the defaults file is meant to be copied to the ini file, well parts of it
2014-04-07 19:08 <Melanie_T> so i believe it has that same formatting
2014-04-07 19:09 <Melanie_T> it's meant to be parseable and modifiable by web based and GUI config tools
2014-04-07 19:09 <MarcusLlew> The OpenSim.ini file contains special comments meant to be of to other programs. OpenSimDefaults does not have those.
2014-04-07 19:09 <frnic> Melanie_T - the form factor of the ini file does not match the defaults file any more.
2014-04-07 19:09 <Melanie_T> giving names, explanations and long help as well as possile choices, if limited
2014-04-07 19:09 <frnic> That is what I am offering to update 
2014-04-07 19:09 <Melanie_T> aah ok
2014-04-07 19:09 <Melanie_T> well, i did that only fir the ini file
2014-04-07 19:09 <Melanie_T> the defaults file should maybe also have that
2014-04-07 19:10 <frnic> cool, I sent a mail to the mailing list and if no one objects I will update the defaults file.
2014-04-07 19:10 <smxy> Just don't mess up the defaults file. I don't use OpenSim.ini. I just use my own file that overrides what I want in the defaults file.
2014-04-07 19:11 <frnic> smxy, it is the defaults file I am suggesting needs to be updated??? what do you mean don't mess with it? If the settings don't change, just to form factor and comments will that matter to yours?
2014-04-07 19:12 <smxy> Sounded like you were going to change some setting that were common to both but didn't match, too.
2014-04-07 19:12 <Melanie_T> as i said
2014-04-07 19:12 <frnic> NO.
2014-04-07 19:12 <Melanie_T> opensimdefaults.ini should ALWAYS reflect what is hardcoded
2014-04-07 19:13 <Melanie_T> but the intent is to COPY parts from opensimdefaults.ini to opensim.ini to modify them there
2014-04-07 19:13 <frnic> Just changing the formating of the defualts file to match the form factor of the .ini.example.
2014-04-07 19:13 <Melanie_T> instead of editing the defaults file
2014-04-07 19:13 <Melanie_T> which will be overwritten by every update
2014-04-07 19:13 <frnic> And it sounds like I should verify the settings match the code.
2014-04-07 19:13 <Melanie_T> and use the same text as used in opensim.ini for those sections that are already in the ini
2014-04-07 19:14 <frnic> yes
2014-04-07 19:14 <smxy> I'd make the formatting and comments change one patch, then if anything doesn't matc the code, change the values in another patch.
2014-04-07 19:14 <Melanie_T> that way, a parser/configurator can just copy pieces and regenerate the file
2014-04-07 19:14 <Melanie_T> smxy: sound advic
2014-04-07 19:14 <Melanie_T> e
2014-04-07 19:14 <frnic> smxy, good suggestion
2014-04-07 19:14 <Melanie_T> ok, i'm afk again
2014-04-07 19:15 <MarcusLlew> Thanks, Melanie_T. :)
2014-04-07 19:15 <frnic> thanks Melanie_T
2014-04-07 19:17 <Sked> Hi guys
2014-04-07 19:18 <Sked> can anyone please tell me what have status value in db under sample money server 
2014-04-07 19:19 <Sked> in balances db table where is user, balance and status
2014-04-07 19:23 <Arielle_> thos tables come  with core opensim?
2014-04-07 19:24 <frnic> I didn't think core had any money code 
2014-04-07 19:24 <frnic> just the zero cost purchase stuff
2014-04-07 19:25 <Sked> ok
2014-04-07 19:25 <frnic> You could try the #opensim channel
2014-04-07 20:06 <H-H-H> those tables are used by the nsl money addon and are in no way part of core
2014-04-07 20:37 <smxy> Hmm, oren made two more commits in the middle of my night. Time to update again.
2014-04-07 21:05 <paulieflomar> orenh is ROCKIN it. :)
2014-04-07 21:21 <Plugh> frnic: I wouldn't assume the ini files reflect the defaults that are currently in the code. It would be great if you double checked the stated defaults as you went through it. I also agree that the .example file should use the same order/content/format of the defaults ini.
2014-04-07 22:30 -!- Wanderer_42(~kvirc@dslb-084-060-180-157.pools.arcor-ip.net) has left #opensim-dev
2014-04-07 23:46 <danbanner> nasty exception: http://pastebin.com/03JnkP1J
2014-04-07 23:56 <Melanie_T> blame orenh
2014-04-07 23:56 <Melanie_T> i think he was in there
2014-04-07 23:56 <Melanie_T> last
2014-04-07 23:56 <Melanie_T> else, ping diva
2014-04-08 02:24 <diva> danbanner that looks like orenh's recent code
2014-04-08 02:30 <diva> actually it's not
2014-04-08 02:31 <diva> that looks like someone is sending their HGInventory service URL wrong -- misconfiguration probably
2014-04-08 02:31 <diva> the http:// part is missing
2014-04-08 02:32 <diva> not sure whether it's better to make the error message more subtle or to leave it like that nasty exception
2014-04-08 02:32 <diva> oh, danbanner is not listening...
2014-04-08 02:32 <Dev_Random> heh.. I was just heading for LBSA to see if he's there... he isn't
2014-04-08 02:34 <diva> although if that kills opensim, that's not good
2014-04-08 02:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #3473 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-08 02:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3473: SUCCESS in 3 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3473/
2014-04-08 02:45 <osjenkins> diva: Avoid calling HELO service on malformed URLs. This is in response to an exception reported by danbanner.
2014-04-08 02:47 <smxy> Thanks, Diva.
2014-04-08 02:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #3474 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-08 02:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3474: SUCCESS in 3 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3474/
2014-04-08 02:55 <osjenkins> diva: Better (amend to previous commit)
2014-04-08 03:31 <danbanner> thanks diva :)
2014-04-08 05:29 <osmantis> Bug #7102:04 Massive Spew on Regino Startup from HGAssetBroker possibly world map generation. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7102 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-08 05:30 <osmantis> Bug #7102:04 Massive Spew on Region Startup from HGAssetBroker possibly world map generation. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7102 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-08 05:36 <osmantis> Bug #7100:04 Can't TP: Failed to verify user presence in the grid ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7100 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-08 05:36 <osmantis> Bug #7100:04 Can't TP: Failed to verify user presence in the grid ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7100 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-04-08 06:27 <osmantis> Bug #7102:04 Massive Spew on Region Startup from HGAssetBroker possibly world map generation. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7102 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-04-08 06:34 <osmantis> Bug #7102:04 Massive Spew on Region Startup from HGAssetBroker possibly world map generation. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7102 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-08 07:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #3475 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-08 07:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3475: SUCCESS in 3 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3475/
2014-04-08 07:16 <osjenkins> * orenh: Allow invalidating the users cache
2014-04-08 07:16 <osjenkins> * orenh: Improved error messages when a teleport fails. The viewer's dialog already says "Teleport failed", so adding "Teleport refused" is redundant.
2014-04-08 08:53 <osmantis> Bug #7097:04 Avatar sitting on a prim no longer moves with the prim when using position related functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7097 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-08 08:54 <osmantis> Bug #7097:04 Avatar sitting on a prim no longer moves with the prim when using position related functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7097 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-08 11:56 <H-H-H> hey guys just recently ive been seing this on a test grid 
2014-04-08 11:56 <H-H-H> 12:55:55 - [LOGHTTP]: [SynchronousRestObjectRequester]: Slow request 5 POST http://192.168.0.11:8003/assets/ took 10979ms, 22ms writing, <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?><AssetBase xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema"><Data>/0//UQAvAAAAAAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAAAAQAAA
2014-04-08 11:57 <H-H-H> anything to be concerned about
2014-04-08 12:07 <H-H-H> i guess its just good old fashined network latency lol not suprising really when you consider im connected to main network via wifi lol
2014-04-08 13:47 <Ken_S> Just noticed that border crossings with Sing seem slower than with FS today, and
2014-04-08 13:48 <Ken_S> crossing a border from North to South is MUCH slower than crossing from South to North.
2014-04-08 13:48 <nebadon_> that seems very odd indeed Ken_S
2014-04-08 13:49 <nebadon_> can you do me a favor and repeat the test with an avatar not wearing any attachments
2014-04-08 13:49 <nebadon_> and see if same issues
2014-04-08 13:50 <nebadon_> doh just reliazied i loaded xchat twice lol
2014-04-08 13:50 <Ken_S> Only thing the AV has on is hair and shoes
2014-04-08 13:50 <nebadon> ok but ya if your wearing any attachments at all
2014-04-08 13:50 <nebadon> remove them and try again
2014-04-08 13:51 <Ken_S> When it crosses North to south walking, the AV is going down into the ground about 1/2 meter and then pops back out too. Strange.
2014-04-08 13:51 <nebadon> are you on master git?
2014-04-08 13:51 <Ken_S> This AV is set to max height
2014-04-08 13:51 <nebadon> that sounds like a issue with the avatar capsue
2014-04-08 13:51 <Ken_S> Yes master as of now
2014-04-08 13:51 <nebadon> capsule*
2014-04-08 13:51 <nebadon> are you using Bulletsim or ODE?
2014-04-08 13:51 <Ken_S> Yes possibly.
2014-04-08 13:52 <Ken_S> Have also noticed sometimes just walking around it appears to bump into something when nothing is there
2014-04-08 13:52 <Ken_S> Bulletsim
2014-04-08 13:53 <Ken_S> I have a video conference in 5 minutes but will try it before it starts.
2014-04-08 13:53 <nebadon> ok
2014-04-08 13:55 <Ken_S> OK it seemed a little faster but not a lot.
2014-04-08 13:56 <Ken_S> The AV still sunk into the ground then walked back out of it after about 2 meters.
2014-04-08 13:56 <Ken_S> It only does this when walking North to south.
2014-04-08 13:56 <Ken_S> Have not tried east to west crossings yet
2014-04-08 13:57 <Ken_S> This is with AV totally bare naked
2014-04-08 13:57 <nebadon> ya that is strange
2014-04-08 13:57 <nebadon> though I know what it is actually now I think about it
2014-04-08 13:57 <nebadon> Misterblue isnt here
2014-04-08 13:57 <nebadon> the problem is the Capsule Tilt
2014-04-08 13:57 <nebadon> it doesnt rotate
2014-04-08 13:58 <nebadon> though I swore this was fixed in bulletsim
2014-04-08 13:58 <Ken_S> Yes, its a rectangle now isnt it?
2014-04-08 13:58 <nebadon> vegaslon are you here?
2014-04-08 13:58 <nebadon> yes it is but I think it still tilts slightly
2014-04-08 13:58 <nebadon> and the problem is the capsule isnt rotating with the avatar
2014-04-08 13:58 <nebadon> so when you walk south to north its tilting properly
2014-04-08 13:59 <Ken_S> Thats possibly it
2014-04-08 13:59 <nebadon> when North to South its like your trying to walk with a stick jamming into the ground in front of you
2014-04-08 13:59 <Ken_S> This is walking on a prim road.
2014-04-08 13:59 <nebadon> vs dragging behind you in other direction
2014-04-08 13:59 <Ken_S> Have not tried it on terrain
2014-04-08 13:59 <vegaslon> yes
2014-04-08 13:59 <nebadon> wouldnt mater
2014-04-08 13:59 <nebadon> hey vegaslon, do you know whats up with the capsule?
2014-04-08 13:59 <nebadon> does it rotate with avatar or is that still broken?
2014-04-08 14:00 <vegaslon> think it should rotate on the z axis with the avatar
2014-04-08 14:01 <vegaslon> I have not done any testing since he turned the capsule into a rectangle though but I would think it would cause trouble
2014-04-08 14:01 <nebadon> ya any chance you could test that? see if there was a regression
2014-04-08 14:01 <nebadon> i thought it was fixed with bulletsim too
2014-04-08 14:02 <nebadon> it very much sounds like there might be a regression
2014-04-08 14:09 <vegaslon> I will look into it
2014-04-08 14:09 <osmantis> Bug #7100:04 Can't TP: Failed to verify user presence in the grid ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7100 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-08 14:14 <nebadon> thanks vegaslon
2014-04-08 14:46 <osmantis> Bug #7100:04 Can't TP: Failed to verify user presence in the grid ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7100 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-08 15:19 <Aleric> Ken_S: Have you found the patch yet?
2014-04-08 16:05 <Ken_S> Aleric, I found it, but dont think its in the format described in the opensim wiki.
2014-04-08 16:06 <Aleric> huh
2014-04-08 16:06 <Ken_S> I tried to apply it like the other patches and git isnt happy with it.
2014-04-08 16:06 <Aleric> What format do I need then?
2014-04-08 16:06 <Ken_S> The other patches are .patch files
2014-04-08 16:06 <Aleric> rename it? :)
2014-04-08 16:07 <Ken_S> See my comment on that mantis. I think I put a link to the wiki page that shows the format etc for patches.
2014-04-08 16:07 <Ken_S> I'll try that.
2014-04-08 16:08 <Aleric> Oh, I read your comment as that you couldn't find the patch at all 
2014-04-08 16:08 <Ken_S> I was looking for a .patch file rather than a diff file. I found the diff file and git didnt like it.
2014-04-08 16:08 <Ken_S> Ill try renaming and see if that works
2014-04-08 16:08 <Aleric> git format-patch <commit hash>^!  thus
2014-04-08 16:09 <Aleric> no it won't, that was sarcastic :p
2014-04-08 16:09 <Ken_S> Im in windows using Tortoisegit
2014-04-08 16:09 <Ken_S> OK, I did not get the joke :(
2014-04-08 16:10 <Aleric> The reason I said 'rename it?' was because instead of saying 'The other patches are .path files' you should have said 'The patch needed to be generated with git'
2014-04-08 16:10 <Ken_S> Im trying to do a video conference at the same time here lol
2014-04-08 16:10 <Ken_S> ok "The patch needed to be generated with git"
2014-04-08 16:11 <Ken_S> Is that better lol
2014-04-08 16:11 <Ken_S> :)
2014-04-08 16:12 <Ken_S> I'll ask Mata to test it as well.
2014-04-08 16:18 <osmantis> Bug #7096:04 llSitTarget (and llLinkSitTarget) result in different position in opensim than in SecondLife 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7096 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-08 16:18 <Aleric> ken_S: ok I replaced the patch :). thanks
2014-04-08 16:18 <Ken_S> Got it...
2014-04-08 16:19 <Ken_S> Will apply, compile, and update 200+ sims shortly.
2014-04-08 16:32 <Plugh> Patch files could be just diff files or they can be am formatted-patches (generated by git).
2014-04-08 16:33 <Plugh> Applying patches using git am requires an am formatted patch. The git am command won't like it if you feed it a regular 'git diff' or diff generated patch.
2014-04-08 16:35 <osmantis> Bug #7100:04 Can't TP: Failed to verify user presence in the grid ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7100 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-08 16:58 <osmantis> Bug #7100:04 Can't TP: Failed to verify user presence in the grid ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7100 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-08 17:30 <osmantis> Bug #7096:04 llSitTarget (and llLinkSitTarget) result in different position in opensim than in SecondLife 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7096 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-08 17:32 <osmantis> Bug #1516:04 r 5059 - sitting on a default sphere chooses a different sit rotation than on LL grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-08 17:52 <Ken_S> Aleric, I finally got a chance to check out a lot of objects that have sit scripts in them.
2014-04-08 17:52 <Ken_S> All of the ones that were aligned well before appear to still be ok.
2014-04-08 17:53 <Ken_S> It appears the sit position might be a little lower than before, but it still seems fine to me.
2014-04-08 17:53 <Ken_S> I honestly did not pay a lot of attention to it before the change.
2014-04-08 17:58 <Plugh> Did WP crash?
2014-04-08 18:00 <osmantis> Bug #7096:04 llSitTarget (and llLinkSitTarget) result in different position in opensim than in SecondLife 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7096 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-08 18:00 <Plugh> Only way to get there is directly logging in to the region.
2014-04-08 18:04 <Ken_S> Plugh, it seems fine to me.  Did it get restarted already?
2014-04-08 18:04 <Plugh> Don't know. I'm there now by direct login.
2014-04-08 18:04 <Ken_S> I got there with no issues from my sim
2014-04-08 18:05 <MarcusLlew> I tped in from my sims just fine too.
2014-04-08 18:08 <Ken_S> Plugh, is the sim you TP'd from running new software?
2014-04-08 18:08 <Plugh> I have no idea.
2014-04-08 18:09 <Ken_S> That may be the problem.  Ive seen issues getting to the new software from sim running really old stuff
2014-04-08 18:19 <osmantis> Bug #7103:04 Sim Crossings: Walking across sim borders North to South slower and sink into ground compared South to North crossings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7103 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-08 18:21 <osmantis> Bug #7099:04 Volumous logging and repetitive messages about [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: GetRegionContainingWorldLocation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7099 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-08 18:53 <osmantis> Bug #7099:04 Voluminous logging and repetitive messages about [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: GetRegionContainingWorldLocation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7099 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-08 19:38 <osmantis> Bug #7093:04 Bulletsim: Wrong stand position. Standing on a prim floor, anything on shoes below bare feet are inside the floor. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7093 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-08 19:39 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-08 19:44 <osmantis> Bug #7051:04 [VAR] osNpcMoveToTarget fails outside of 256 on varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7051 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-08 19:48 <H-H-H> ok has anyone noticed networking seems to be a lot slower in opensim these days
2014-04-08 19:57 <Plugh> nebadon, Are you still using Flotsam groups in osgrid? 
2014-04-08 19:57 <nebadon> yes
2014-04-08 20:00 <Plugh> Any particular issue why you haven't switched to core groups?
2014-04-08 20:27 <osmantis> Bug #7100:04 Can't TP: Failed to verify user presence in the grid ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7100 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-08 20:31 <Plugh> Is there anyone here (other than me) who has scripts that fetch data from an external webserver. I have some scripts that used to do that but they aren't working any more in 0.7.6PF based grids. I haven't tried them in ages so not sure if they stopped working as of 0.7.x or after some particular version of 0.7
2014-04-08 20:31 <nebadon> Plugh the HTTP stuff should work
2014-04-08 20:32 <Plugh> yea, don't know why they aren't working any more.
2014-04-08 20:32 <nebadon> check your settings in [Network]
2014-04-08 20:32 <Plugh> I can send stuff to the external server. Just can't get results.
2014-04-08 20:32 <nebadon> you have external URL set correctly?
2014-04-08 20:32 <nebadon> perhaps you forgot to set that when upgrading ini's
2014-04-08 20:33 <Plugh> ? I don't recall an specific setting in the INI to enable inbound http.
2014-04-08 20:33 <nebadon> there is
2014-04-08 20:33 <nebadon> it defaults to localhost
2014-04-08 20:33 <Plugh> hm...
2014-04-08 20:33 <nebadon> you must specify the external URL for HTTP
2014-04-08 20:36 <Plugh> Oh, that setting.
2014-04-08 20:38 <Plugh> The setting needs to be the name or IP of the physical server running the region?
2014-04-08 20:38 <nebadon> yes
2014-04-08 20:38 <Plugh> ok, so each machine needs to have a different name/IP for that setting.
2014-04-08 20:39 <nebadon> correct
2014-04-08 20:39 <nebadon> well
2014-04-08 20:39 <nebadon> only if they are on differnt boxes
2014-04-08 20:39 <Plugh> right.
2014-04-08 20:39 <Plugh> I have 5 region servers
2014-04-08 20:40 <Plugh> hm... I wonder if I can set it to SYSTEMIP
2014-04-08 20:45 <Plugh> Nuts. ExternalHostName accepts SYSTEMIP but not ExternalHostNameForLSL. :P
2014-04-08 20:50 <nebadon> lol
2014-04-08 20:50 <nebadon> sounds like a project :P
2014-04-08 20:50 <Plugh> yeah.
2014-04-08 20:50 <nebadon> and now you dont have to wait for me or justin to commit it either
2014-04-08 20:50 <nebadon> lol
2014-04-08 20:50 <Plugh> True.
2014-04-08 20:51 <Plugh> Before I start any coding I really really should file all the bug reports I've been accumulating.
2014-04-08 20:52 <Plugh> well... I still may wait for someone else. There is one person who can be quick to point out where you did something wrong when making changes. Unless the change is small enough I prefer the delay for others to review code before pushing things.
2014-04-08 20:54 <Plugh> 
ACTION adds a note of this issue to his list of mantis reports to file.

2014-04-08 20:55 <nebadon> well there is always branches
2014-04-08 20:55 <Plugh> True.
2014-04-08 20:57 <Plugh> That means merging master into my branch now and then which can be another issue. I don't always get along with git.
2014-04-08 20:58 <Plugh> Thanks. I've been wondering why this feature stopped working.
2014-04-08 20:58 <Melanie_T> Plugh: why would you want to set the external host name for lsl?
2014-04-08 20:58 <Melanie_T> if your server is on the internet, it doesn't need to be set
2014-04-08 20:58 <Melanie_T> it's only needed for NAT
2014-04-08 20:59 <Melanie_T> and in the NAT case, you have one external ip for all boxes....
2014-04-08 20:59 <nebadon> I thought that defaulted to localhost?
2014-04-08 20:59 <Plugh> Melanie_T: I have scripts that send data to an external server and they work. The scripts that send data and expect a response are not getting a response.
2014-04-08 20:59 <Plugh> I do not currently have ExternalHostNameForLSL set and it seems the code defaults to null.
2014-04-08 21:00 <Melanie_T> you need externel host name for lsl only if http-in is NATed
2014-04-08 21:00 <Plugh> If I need to set it I'm not sure what I need to set it for that will work across all region servers.
2014-04-08 21:00 <Plugh> No NAT here.
2014-04-08 21:00 <Melanie_T> but for that to work, you also need to have corresponding firewall rules
2014-04-08 21:00 <nebadon> only if your machine name is your URL
2014-04-08 21:00 <nebadon> which it may not be
2014-04-08 21:00 <Melanie_T> if you have no NAT, do NOT set it
2014-04-08 21:01 <nebadon> really?
2014-04-08 21:01 <nebadon> i always have had to set it
2014-04-08 21:01 <Melanie_T> well
2014-04-08 21:01 <nebadon> otherwise it puts whatever i have the machine name set too
2014-04-08 21:01 <nebadon> which i usually dont set to a URL
2014-04-08 21:01 <Melanie_T> in fact, it depends
2014-04-08 21:01 <nebadon> err FQDN anyway
2014-04-08 21:01 <Melanie_T> on linux, you don't need to set it
2014-04-08 21:01 <Melanie_T> on windows, you do
2014-04-08 21:01 <Plugh> Melanie_T: Then tell me why I can no longer receive data from external web sites. I'm using scripts that were originally created in 0.6.9 and they worked but are not working in 076PF.
2014-04-08 21:01 <Melanie_T> linux boxen know their fqdn
2014-04-08 21:02 <Plugh> So I do need to set it.
2014-04-08 21:02 <Melanie_T> if you're on windows, yes
2014-04-08 21:02 <Plugh> The region servers are Windows.
2014-04-08 21:02 <Melanie_T> on windows, it defaults to the local (SMB) host name
2014-04-08 21:02 <Melanie_T> so it needs to be set
2014-04-08 21:02 <Melanie_T> unless the smb name is the dns name
2014-04-08 21:03 <Melanie_T> just run llRequestURL
2014-04-08 21:03 <Melanie_T> print the result
2014-04-08 21:03 <nebadon> now that I think about it, I probably only have tested this on my NAT'd linux box
2014-04-08 21:03 <Melanie_T> if the URL given is a valid URL to the host then you're good
2014-04-08 21:03 <nebadon> i guess thats why I always had to set it
2014-04-08 21:03 <Melanie_T> else set it
2014-04-08 21:04 <Plugh> wtf? llRequestURL() returned a UUID.
2014-04-08 21:08 <Plugh> I'll need to set the URL.
2014-04-08 21:08 <Melanie_T> yes
2014-04-08 21:08 <Melanie_T> it triggers a http_request 
2014-04-08 21:08 <Melanie_T> you need it's "body" arg
2014-04-08 21:10 <Plugh> That would be a completely different way to do HTTP requests than what I have used in the past. I'd have to change my scripts.
2014-04-08 21:12 <Melanie_T> erm
2014-04-08 21:12 <Melanie_T> that is http-in
2014-04-08 21:12 <Melanie_T> if you use llHTTPRequest, then you don't ever need the externl host name for LSL
2014-04-08 21:12 <Melanie_T> fi your server doesn't sedn back data on llHTTPRequest, then the fault is woth your server
2014-04-08 21:13 <Melanie_T> grrr typos
2014-04-08 21:13 <Melanie_T> in some cases your may need to set a user agent that contains "Mozilla" in it
2014-04-08 21:13 <Melanie_T> because some servers are configure to not respond if it's missing
2014-04-08 21:13 <Melanie_T> like shoutcast
2014-04-08 21:14 <Melanie_T> but, at any rate, the llhttprequest does NOT depend on the external host name for LSL at all
2014-04-08 21:14 <Melanie_T> that is ony for llRequestURL
2014-04-08 21:14 <Melanie_T> ok, i'm afk now
2014-04-08 21:19 <osmantis> Bug #7100:04 Can't TP: Failed to verify user presence in the grid ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7100 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-08 21:21 <djphil> nebadon, about bulletsim:
2014-04-08 21:21 <djphil> http://postimg.org/image/6koac6v8t/
2014-04-08 21:21 <djphil> http://pastebin.com/6GztQsFD
2014-04-08 21:21 <djphil> seems to happen when I replace the value 1000.0 to 0.0 in linear and angular friction
2014-04-08 21:21 <djphil> llSetVehicleVectorParam(VEHICLE_LINEAR_FRICTION_TIMESCALE, <0.0, 2.0, 0.0>);
2014-04-08 21:21 <djphil> llSetVehicleVectorParam(VEHICLE_ANGULAR_FRICTION_TIMESCALE, <0.0, 2.0, 0.0>);
2014-04-08 21:27 <Plugh> llHTTPRequest automatically includes a user agent string but not one that contains Mozilla in it.
2014-04-08 21:28 <nebadon> djphil ive been seeing occasional NaN messages on my console at Sisyphus too
2014-04-08 21:28 <nebadon> but no crashes
2014-04-08 21:28 <nebadon> and no idea what is actually causing them
2014-04-08 21:29 <djphil> ok
2014-04-08 21:29 <djphil> the original simple car script use :01llSetVehicleVectorParam(VEHICLE_LINEAR_FRICTION_TIMESCALE, <1000.0, 2.0, 1000.0>); 01
2014-04-08 21:30 <djphil> if a remplace 1000.0 by 0.0 my simu crash always
2014-04-08 21:30 <djphil> not your ?
2014-04-08 21:31 <nebadon> I havent test it
2014-04-08 21:31 <nebadon> if you want you can try to crash sisyphus
2014-04-08 21:31 <djphil> for exemple : http://www.heatonresearch.com/stories/simple-cars-second-life.html
2014-04-08 21:32 <djphil> ok
2014-04-08 21:33 <Plugh> I have an IP for the server and no joy. I'll see if I can test if user agent makes a difference or not. 
2014-04-08 21:37 <Plugh> I get a response from the webserver with a user agent that does not contain Mozilla.
2014-04-08 21:39 <djphil> same problem on your sim nebadon ... i use the exemple script, put 1000.0 to 0.0 and my avatar is pushed out the sim ...  di you see sim crashed ?
2014-04-08 21:41 <djphil> it seam your sim isn't crashed but i see a problem with avatar ...
2014-04-08 21:43 <djphil> http://postimg.org/image/bu2lvs52l/
2014-04-08 21:46 <djphil> tested with this script : http://pastebin.com/2vq4CHLY
2014-04-08 22:07 <Plugh> Until I can figure out how to receive inbound data in response to an llHTTPRequest I can't do any work on about three different projects.
2014-04-08 22:08 <Plugh> My grid management system was already setting the ...ForLSL thing to the IP address of the server running regions..
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2014-04-08 22:19 <Aleric> Ken_S: Sure, all sitTargets need to be changed once. After all there is a difference between how it was and SL. With the patch you'll be sitting 0.05 + agentSize.z * 0.02638 lower.
2014-04-08 22:54 <osmantis> Bug #7100:04 Can't TP: Failed to verify user presence in the grid ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7100 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-08 23:49 <Plugh> ok, strange. Just got asked by another grid owner how to make a new user. The "create user" command isn't showing up on either the Robust console or on a region console.
2014-04-08 23:50 <danbanner> hmm
2014-04-09 00:09 <smxy> Tell them to type: help Users
2014-04-09 00:09 <smxy> at the ROBUST console.
2014-04-09 00:09 <smxy> It's there.
2014-04-09 03:46 <LiruCookies> has anyone seen Latif?
2014-04-09 03:49 <Plugh> I wonder what the viewer/grid is doing when the viewer says "Logging In...". It is taking from 2 to 10 minutes or more to login.
2014-04-09 04:31 <Ken_S> opensimulator.org appears to be down again.
2014-04-09 04:37 <Misterblue> Melanie_T: opensimulator.org is down again
2014-04-09 08:40 <orenh> Did someone just restart opensimulator.org?
2014-04-09 08:44 <osmantis> Bug #7100:04 Can't TP: Failed to verify user presence in the grid ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7100 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-09 08:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #3476 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-09 09:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3476: SUCCESS in 6 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3476/
2014-04-09 09:02 <osjenkins> * orenh: Log when the presence service logs-out all the users in a region
2014-04-09 09:02 <osjenkins> * orenh: In teleports, pass the source region to the destination (similar to an HTTP referrer)
2014-04-09 10:03 <dahlia> orenh: I get this from uptime on opensimulator.org: 10:00:47 up 155 days,  9:56,  1 user,  load average: 0.25, 0.31, 0.32
2014-04-09 10:03 <dahlia> unless you mean the web server
2014-04-09 10:03 <orenh> I tried to push into git and couldn't
2014-04-09 10:03 <orenh> a few minutes later, it was ok
2014-04-09 10:03 <orenh> and around the same time the website went up
2014-04-09 10:03 <orenh> so I thought these things might be related
2014-04-09 10:03 <dahlia> oh maybe its the mars alignment ;)
2014-04-09 10:04 <dahlia> ooou I should go out and look...
2014-04-09 10:12 <dahlia> wow its really bright, even I can see it
2014-04-09 10:16 <orenh> I didn't know this was going on
2014-04-09 10:16 <orenh> I just googled "mars alignment", and the top result is: (drumroll...)
2014-04-09 10:16 <orenh> "Rare alignment of Mars, Earth and sun could signal the beginning of event associated with the end of days"
2014-04-09 10:16 <orenh> thank you, British tabloids!
2014-04-09 10:18 <H-H-H> british tabloids ? what they done now lol
2014-04-09 12:52 <osmantis> Bug #7104:04 error after loading oar to empty database, "uninable to rezz because the parcel is to full" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7104 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-09 13:00 <osmantis> Bug #7104:04 error after loading oar to empty database, "uninable to rezz because the parcel is to full" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7104 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-09 14:10 <osmantis> Bug #7105:04 Avatar Capsule Issue - Ankles bent upwards or sideways 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7105 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-09 14:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #3477 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-09 14:13 <osmantis> Bug #7105:04 Avatar Capsule Issue - Ankles bent upwards or sideways 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7105 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-09 14:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3477: SUCCESS in 3 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3477/
2014-04-09 14:16 <osjenkins> orenh: Fixed: when teleporting between grids, the avatar name wasn't always updated.
2014-04-09 15:02 <Melanie_T> orenh: ping
2014-04-09 15:02 <Melanie_T> orenh: a short question - passing the source region to the destination, how is that done in hypergrid?
2014-04-09 15:03 <Melanie_T> names may contain special characters or be quite long, but uuids are of little value in a HG context
2014-04-09 15:03 <orenh> it's similar to how the destination is sent
2014-04-09 15:03 <orenh> I send the region's UUID, name, and grid home uri
2014-04-09 15:03 <Melanie_T> aah ok
2014-04-09 15:04 <Melanie_T> the home uri makes the uuid useful
2014-04-09 15:04 <orenh> and location x,y
2014-04-09 15:04 <Melanie_T> thanks :)
2014-04-09 15:04 <orenh> np
2014-04-09 15:04 <orenh> it's time we implemented the http "referer" header (damn their spelling!)
2014-04-09 15:14 <Melanie_T> well, it allows coding that gives new life to the old adventure game joke "You can't get there from here"
2014-04-09 15:16 <Plugh> :)
2014-04-09 15:16 <Melanie_T> but i also like this one "Getting there from here is quite difficult, but you can do it. However, if I were you, I wouldn't start from here!"
2014-04-09 16:08 <zadark> orenh: Since commit 06e052 (earlier today) seeing warnings at one minute or less intervals
2014-04-09 16:08 <zadark> [WATCHDOG]: 9250 ms since Watchdog last ran.  Interval should be approximately 2500 ms
2014-04-09 16:08 <zadark> Last ran timing varies between 8000ms and 12000ms
2014-04-09 16:08 <zadark> How do we trace which thread is causing the problem?
2014-04-09 16:09 <zadark> This is a win 8 hosted standalone with 3 var regions
2014-04-09 16:10 <orenh> It's unlikely to be related to the commits, since they just change which fields are passed but don't DO anything with the data
2014-04-09 16:11 <orenh> there are logging options you can enable, but it's more likely something in the system itself 
2014-04-09 16:12 <orenh> you can run "debug threadpool level 1" or "3" to see activity in the threadpool
2014-04-09 16:12 <orenh> or "debug http all 5" to see HTTP activity
2014-04-09 16:12 <zadark> The sim is just standing from restart, no avatar activity
2014-04-09 16:13 <zadark> I will use the logging levels, see if more information available
2014-04-09 16:17 <orenh> Is there an API to get the parcels in a region, from Hypergrid?
2014-04-09 16:17 <Ken_S> Ive been watchdog messages like that forever.
2014-04-09 16:19 <orenh> Q: is there a way to get the Snapshot of a region's parcels (one or all), from Hypergrid?
2014-04-09 16:46 <osmantis> Bug #7103:04 Sim Crossings: Walking across sim borders North to South slower and sink into ground compared South to North crossings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7103 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-09 16:51 <osmantis> Bug #7046:04 [PATCH] Need console commands to create a new estate and change the estate assigned to an existing region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7046 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-09 17:23 <osmantis> Bug #7046:04 [PATCH] Need console commands to create a new estate and change the estate assigned to an existing region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7046 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-09 17:29 <osmantis> Bug #7105:04 Avatar Capsule Issue - Ankles bent upwards or sideways 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7105 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007067.
2014-04-09 17:29 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007105.
2014-04-09 17:30 <osmantis> Bug #7105:04 Avatar Capsule Issue - Ankles bent upwards or sideways 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7105 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-04-09 22:36 <H-H-H> hey guys what do you use for the autobuild system ?
2014-04-09 22:37 <dahlia> H-H-H: jenkins
2014-04-09 22:37 <H-H-H> thanks dahlia
2014-04-09 22:50 <Plugh> oh, debug http. That will be useful to see if I can figure out why I can't get in-bound http via a LSL script.
2014-04-09 22:51 <osmantis> Bug #7100:04 Can't TP: Failed to verify user presence in the grid ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7100 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-09 22:53 <H-H-H> Plugh all i did was set the hostnameforlsl in the ini and then all mt http-in stuff worked fine
2014-04-09 22:53 <H-H-H> my*
2014-04-09 23:19 <Plugh> H-H-H: I have had that set for ages. Not working.
2014-04-09 23:20 <Plugh> This is the first time I've pulled out my objects that fetch data from a web site since I stopped running 0.6.9
2014-04-09 23:39 <Plugh> Evening, justincc
2014-04-09 23:39 <justincc> hey Plugh
2014-04-09 23:44 <danbanner> for some reason it looks like teleports from one plaza to another are acting like its an HG teleport
2014-04-09 23:44 <danbanner> but the teleport fails
2014-04-09 23:44 <danbanner>  [GATEKEEPER SERVICE CONNECTOR]: remote call returned an error: Requested method [get_region] not found
2014-04-09 23:45 <Melanie_T> are all plazas the same version?
2014-04-09 23:45 <Melanie_T> maybe orenh's patch for the "referer" makes the sim think it's HG
2014-04-09 23:45 <Melanie_T> it's the one change i'm aware of in teleport code
2014-04-09 23:45 <danbanner> [HG ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: GetHyperlinkRegion of region 9101b44d-922c-4cc6-94b5-6d176e392dc4 from Gatekeeper http://plaza09.osgrid.org:16000/ failed: Error contacting grid.
2014-04-09 23:45 <danbanner> ya same version
2014-04-09 23:46 <danbanner> ya looks like there might be a problem
2014-04-09 23:46 <danbanner> although the regions been up 24 hrs
2014-04-09 23:46 <danbanner> normally it runs much longer
2014-04-09 23:51 <danbanner> ya looks like that might be the issue
2014-04-09 23:51 <danbanner> http://plaza09.osgrid.org:16000 isnt the gatekeeper
2014-04-09 23:52 <justincc> I think I need to put something on the wiki sign up to say that this is just for the wiki and not to login to 'opensim'
2014-04-09 23:52 <justincc> I swear most of these people think it's a linden lab like signup or something
2014-04-09 23:54 <danbanner> lol
2014-04-10 00:06 <Plugh> With "debug http all 6" set should I be able to see the outgoing information from an llHTTPRequest() call?
2014-04-10 00:08 <justincc> I think so
2014-04-10 00:10 <justincc> actually probably not - it's not going through the http util classes
2014-04-10 00:37 <Plugh> ok. I'm trying to determine why I can't seem to get in bound HTTP.
2014-04-10 00:45 <justincc> alright, i gotta rest.  Should be back around more tomorrow
2014-04-10 01:18 <H-H-H> this is new
2014-04-10 01:18 <H-H-H> 02:14:31 - Threadfunc: enable overload mode (Queued 1, Running 15)
2014-04-10 01:18 <H-H-H> 02:14:31 - Queue threadfunc 4791 (Queued 2, Running 15) at OpenSim.Region.ClientStack.LindenUDP.LLClientView.SendWindData(OpenMetaverse.Vector2[] windSpeeds)
2014-04-10 01:47 <djphil> Hmmm the "VEHICLE_FLAG_NO_FLY_UP" isn't implemented in OpenSim
2014-04-10 01:47 <djphil> http://lslwiki.net/lslwiki/wakka.php?wakka=llSetVehicleFlags
2014-04-10 01:47 <djphil> this flag is obselet or ?
2014-04-10 03:30 <Misterblue> djphil: the symbol VEHICLE_FLAG_NO_FLY_UP has been replaced with VEHICLE_FLAG_NO_DEFLECTION_UP
2014-04-10 03:31 <Misterblue> but, even with the new symbol, BulletSim does not do anything for that flag
2014-04-10 03:31 <Misterblue> ODE does suppress XY angular changes if set
2014-04-10 03:31 <djphil> VEHICLE_FLAG_NO_DEFLECTION_UP allready exist
2014-04-10 03:32 <djphil> but good to know 01VEHICLE_FLAG_NO_FLY_UP01 is removed from Bullet
2014-04-10 03:32 <djphil> ty Mister :)
2014-04-10 03:33 <djphil> Heuuu by chance you know where i can get some doc about bullet stuffs ?
2014-04-10 03:33 <djphil> if possible up to date
2014-04-10 04:01 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/ is done again :s
2014-04-10 04:06 <Misterblue> djphil: VEHICLE_FLAG_NO_FLY_UP is just not implemented in BulletSim
2014-04-10 04:10 <Misterblue> Melanie_T: opensimulator.org is borked again
2014-04-10 04:11 <smxy> This is getting to be a nightly issue.
2014-04-10 04:23 <dahlia> djphil: try now
2014-04-10 04:23 <djphil> online, ty :)
2014-04-10 04:27 <djphil> Misterblue : i don't see nothing about 02VEHICLE_FLAG_NO_FLY_UP01 in Bullet Doc @ http://opensimulator.org/wiki/BulletSim/Functionality
2014-04-10 04:27 <djphil> any "N" (No) or "Y" (Yes) or something ...
2014-04-10 04:27 <Misterblue> because it was renamed (by LL) to be VEHICLE_FLAG_NO_DEFLECTION_UP
2014-04-10 04:28 <Misterblue> 
ACTION also makes note to review the BulletSim docs to make sure they are up to date

2014-04-10 04:28 <djphil> ok, i understand no, ty :)
2014-04-10 04:28 <djphil> now*
2014-04-10 04:29 <dahlia> 
ACTION blames the lindens....

2014-04-10 04:30 <djphil> i tested yesterday some llCastray stuff on Bullet ... it seems to work partially
2014-04-10 04:30 <djphil> but I can not walk on walls :(
2014-04-10 04:30 <dahlia> llCastRay doesnt use physics
2014-04-10 04:30 <Misterblue> it is using the software version that only casts to the object's bounding box
2014-04-10 04:31 <djphil> avatar sitting on the prim through the wall as if the wall was Phathom
2014-04-10 04:31 <djphil> ok dalhia but in the bullet doc i see "llCastRay = N"
2014-04-10 04:31 <dahlia> dunno why it says that
2014-04-10 04:32 <dahlia> physics raycast would be better
2014-04-10 04:32 <djphil> don't know ^^
2014-04-10 04:33 <dahlia> problem with the scene based raycast is the geometry isn't available to that code
2014-04-10 04:33 <dahlia> so all you get is bounding boxes
2014-04-10 04:34 <dahlia> s/is/are
2014-04-10 04:35 <djphil> what do you mean by "scene based raycast" ?
2014-04-10 04:35 <dahlia> the raycast code that is in the "Scene*" part of the codebase
2014-04-10 04:36 <djphil> you say draw the scene with raycast?
2014-04-10 04:36 <djphil> ho ok
2014-04-10 04:36 <dahlia> draw?
2014-04-10 04:36 <djphil> yeah :)
2014-04-10 04:36 <djphil> mom i search a video demo
2014-04-10 04:37 <Misterblue> there is a default, bounding box only version of raycast that is used if the physics engine does not implement raycast
2014-04-10 04:37 <dahlia> well generally geometry used for physics isn't detailed enough and lacks other attributes used for drawing
2014-04-10 04:37 <dahlia> like vertex normals or UVs or whatever
2014-04-10 04:37 <djphil> one here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgLDVzr4PjQ
2014-04-10 04:38 <djphil> this one is better :p https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z9tfQI5Uxw
2014-04-10 04:39 <djphil> This is what I call "draw" :)
2014-04-10 04:39 <dahlia> oh well I don't know what thats doing but I doubt it uses llCastRay()
2014-04-10 04:41 <djphil> I do not know, I try to do too, defeats ^^
2014-04-10 04:42 <dahlia> well I know how to code a raycast but I don't think I'd be doing it in LSL :P
2014-04-10 04:42 <djphil> idem :p
2014-04-10 04:45 <djphil> i have this script : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ELTwaVNcCA
2014-04-10 04:45 <djphil> tested in second life > work fine
2014-04-10 04:46 <djphil> modified and tested in opensim with bulletsim > Don't work :(
2014-04-10 04:46 <djphil> 
ACTION I'm sad

2014-04-10 04:47 <djphil> this really fun to walk on wall :)
2014-04-10 04:47 <djphil> Adeon make a lot of great experiance :)
2014-04-10 04:49 <dahlia> is it sitting on something?
2014-04-10 04:49 <dahlia> I made some physical poseballs in SL that did some pretty fun stuff
2014-04-10 04:51 <djphil> yes it is sitting on a prim that becomes invisible when sitting on
2014-04-10 04:51 <djphil> then he plays walking animation and stand and uses llCastray to detect walls and guide the prim
2014-04-10 04:51 <djphil> it is fine in SL but no effect in opensim
2014-04-10 04:54 <djphil> with dynamic camera and Occulus, you get funny thing ^^
2014-04-10 09:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #3478 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-10 09:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3478: SUCCESS in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3478/
2014-04-10 09:58 <osjenkins> snoopy.pfeffer: Allows to sell objects on a parcel of land together with that parcel of land. The objects that are sold together with the parcel of land need to fulfill the following preconditions: owned by the current parcel owner, not set to a group, transferrable. This feature does not work for group owned parcels or land bought by a group.
2014-04-10 12:13 <osmantis> Bug #7106:04 Avatars feets follow terrain instead of the object its walking on. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7106 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-10 12:13 <osmantis> Bug #7106:04 Avatar feets follow terrain instead of the object its walking on. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7106 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-10 12:30 <orenh> danbanner: I heard you had a problem with teleporting between plazas
2014-04-10 12:31 <orenh> is that still happening?
2014-04-10 12:31 <H-H-H> teleporting on osgrid right now is slow as anything
2014-04-10 12:31 <orenh> I was told that there's a specific problem with teleporting between the plazas; it looks like HG
2014-04-10 12:31 <orenh> I can only help with slow teleports on my own grid :)
2014-04-10 12:33 <H-H-H> this is what was said orenh
2014-04-10 12:33 <H-H-H> http://pastebin.com/7KAVk8Zx
2014-04-10 12:34 <orenh> I know. I was looking for more info. But it looks like he's away right now.
2014-04-10 12:35 <H-H-H> oh ok sorry lol
2014-04-10 13:03 <osmantis> Bug #7106:04 Avatar feets follow terrain instead of the object its walking on. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7106 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007105.
2014-04-10 13:03 <osmantis> Bug #7105:04 Avatar Capsule Issue - Ankles bent upwards or sideways 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7105 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007106.
2014-04-10 13:04 <osmantis> Bug #7106:04 Avatar feets follow terrain instead of the object its walking on. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7106 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007067.
2014-04-10 13:04 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007106.
2014-04-10 13:14 <osmantis> Bug #7106:04 Avatar feets follow terrain instead of the object its walking on. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7106 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-10 13:25 <osmantis> Bug #7106:04 Avatar feets follow terrain instead of the object its walking on. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7106 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-10 13:26 <osmantis> Bug #7106:04 Avatar feets follow terrain instead of the object its walking on. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7106 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-10 13:47 <osmantis> Bug #7106:04 Avatar feets follow terrain instead of the object its walking on. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7106 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-10 13:55 <osmantis> Bug #7106:04 Avatar feets follow terrain instead of the object its walking on. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7106 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-10 14:14 <Fly-Man-> lkalif: Melisa seems to be offline
2014-04-10 14:15 <osmantis> Bug #7106:04 Avatar feets follow terrain instead of the object its walking on. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7106 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-10 14:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #3479 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-10 14:16 <Misterblue> avatar still float over terrain -- have to find out why terrain is being rendered lower than is really is
2014-04-10 14:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3479: SUCCESS in 3 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3479/
2014-04-10 14:19 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: small tweek to avatar height reduce feet embedded into prims.
2014-04-10 14:41 <diva> what's the hg address of osgrid? still http://hg.osgrid.org?
2014-04-10 14:42 <lkalif> Fly-Man-: must've been temporary network glitch
2014-04-10 14:44 <smxy> I believe so, diva. port 80
2014-04-10 14:45 <keygruin> diva: yes,  hg.osgrid.org:80
2014-04-10 14:46 <Fly-Man-> lkalif: seems that way, she's responding now :)
2014-04-10 14:46 <Fly-Man-> lkalif: thanks for the check
2014-04-10 14:46 <keygruin> if someone is in contact with Justin Clark-Casey, let him know his voice stream is still working for Virtual Worlds Best Practices In Education
2014-04-10 14:48 <lkalif> Fly-Man-: were you looking for singularity alphas?
2014-04-10 14:48 <diva> fwiw, I am unable to HG tp to osgrid
2014-04-10 14:50 <Fly-Man-> lkalif: Yeah, is there an Alpha out with Fitted Mesh already in it ?
2014-04-10 14:50 <lkalif> the latest singularity release 1.8.5 has fitted mesh support
2014-04-10 14:51 <lkalif> also in the alphas of course
2014-04-10 14:53 <keygruin> c
2014-04-10 14:53 <Fly-Man-> lkalif: Any large changes to 1.8.6 ?
2014-04-10 14:53 <keygruin> diva I just HGed from the OSCC sim to osgrid ok
2014-04-10 14:56 <lkalif> Fly-Man-: there is no 1.8.6. We have this thing called a homepage :P http://www.singularityviewer.org/
2014-04-10 14:57 <Fly-Man-> lkalif: I know ;) But I don't see anything in the commits yet that shows 1.8.6 since it's been almost 3 months already since the last release :P
2014-04-10 14:58 <lkalif> each alpha lists commits that are included in it
2014-04-10 14:58 <lkalif> also github source repo https://github.com/singularity-viewer/SingularityViewer/commits/master
2014-04-10 15:09 <Fly-Man-> Btw, for those that use Github. All sessions have been invalidated so you need to relogin
2014-04-10 15:21 <LiruCookies> Is that because of heartbleed?
2014-04-10 15:23 <LiruCookies> Fly-Man-: We will have flexible toolbar, we have autoreplace, we have a new and flexible way to choose how to display names... and those are just my changes, Shyotl added awesomes everywhere too.
2014-04-10 15:24 <LiruCookies> Also Aleric pulled in his leak fix for anims, along with a system to keep anims in sync when they should be synced
2014-04-10 15:25 <LiruCookies> Also, on what you said earlier, we actually had Fitted Mesh Looooooong before FS ... everyone did.
2014-04-10 15:26 <LiruCookies> Fly-Man-: Our release commit is somewhat of the last commit before we release.. everything before is an alpha with a higher build number but the same version as our latest release.
2014-04-10 16:03 <zadark> LiruCookies: Can the viewer application be run via Visual Studio or any such IDE?
2014-04-10 16:04 <LiruCookies> zadark: YepYep, if you self compile, but why would you want to?
2014-04-10 16:05 <zadark> Curiousity? Just making sure it was possible..
2014-04-10 16:06 <LiruCookies> That is how I regularly run my builds.
2014-04-10 16:08 <Fly-Man-> LiruCookies: So the parts that FS has published for pulling things out of the viewer windows will be in Singularity in the future ?
2014-04-10 16:23 <LiruCookies> Fly-Man-: Eww, who sad that.. that's an icky proof of concept at best.
2014-04-10 16:25 <LiruCookies> Not even FS released wiyh it.. for one LLViewerWindow should not have two bases, That is just silly.  I want Shyotl to havr a look at it because it is a lot on the rendery side
2014-04-10 16:46 <zadark> Interesting. http://web.mit.edu/~eric_r/Public/S4SL/
2014-04-10 16:47 <AllenKerensky> Yepo zadark that was how I started my kids learning to script on opensim - there's a Scratch4OpenSim specifically out there too
2014-04-10 16:47 <zadark> Oh its ancient
2014-04-10 16:48 <AllenKerensky> and it is ancient but it works
2014-04-10 16:48 <zadark> Neat, good to know, thanks AllenKerensky: 
2014-04-10 16:49 <AllenKerensky> yet another thing I wish had been integrated to the viewer and officially onboarded
2014-04-10 16:51 <zadark> Just trying this using MOAP http://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/home?view=fullscreen 
2014-04-10 17:13 <LiruCookies> AllenKerensky: Integrate whatnow?
2014-04-10 17:14 <AllenKerensky> Add the scratch for opensim/SecondLife interface to the viewer as a beginner's scripting interface in addition to the regular script edit
2014-04-10 17:14 <LiruCookies> What is this?
2014-04-10 17:14 <LiruCookies> I don't see how our UI could be simplified...
2014-04-10 17:15 <AllenKerensky> zadark was talking about http://web.mit.edu/~eric_r/Public/S4SL/
2014-04-10 17:18 <LiruCookies> Our interface is not built for  this.
2014-04-10 17:22 <LiruCookies> ait looks like people are too lazy to read docs, really.. sncouraging that makes me sad, becaude no one reads even our rslease notes on the samr principle.
2014-04-10 17:22 <AllenKerensky> well the practical use I had for it was this - I taught my 8 year old kids to script their opensim stuff in about 5 minutes using scratch 4 SecondLife, that 3 minute intro video, and a demo of how to cut and paste into the edit window
2014-04-10 17:23 <AllenKerensky> worked like a champ
2014-04-10 17:24 <LiruCookies> Yes, that is useful, but as a standard tool that should not be offered because there should be a compdlling force to take off the training wheels.
2014-04-10 17:25 <LiruCookies> If we can just copy paste, we never need to read and learn
2014-04-10 17:25 <AllenKerensky> not going to debate philosophy on that one - same argument could be made to remove the prim editor to "compel" use of blender
2014-04-10 17:25 <AllenKerensky> it was just thinking out loud is all
2014-04-10 17:25 <AllenKerensky> take it or leave it as you prefer, its your viewer and your world
2014-04-10 17:26 <LiruCookies> The simplicity of the prim editor invites learning more fine grain controls on it.
2014-04-10 17:26 <LiruCookies> Okay, so you have a problem with me expressing my own opinion, got it.
2014-04-10 17:27 <AllenKerensky> nope you misunderstood me - and that is exactly why I was bailing out before I got called an idiot again for expressing my views - not intending to say I have a problem at all with your opinion or expressing it - was, in fact, acknowledging it
2014-04-10 19:34 <Sked> Hi guys
2014-04-10 19:34 <Sked> Plugh can you help me with one php code please
2014-04-10 19:37 <Sked> $DbLink->query("SELECT x,y,z FROM ".CTABLE_TBL." WHERE x and y='$sometink' ORDER BY time DESC LIMIT 50");
2014-04-10 19:37 <Sked> i dont know how to wrote right x and y part?
2014-04-10 19:45 <Plugh> x=something and y=something
2014-04-10 19:48 <Sked> i mean how to choose x and y
2014-04-10 19:48 <Sked> both
2014-04-10 19:48 <Sked> and will be the same as ='$sometink'
2014-04-10 19:51 <Plugh> Sked: You can't say "x and y=somevalue". It has to be "x=somevalue and y=someother value". If you are looking for a case where X and Y are equal to a given value,
2014-04-10 19:51 <Plugh> DbLink->query("SELECT x,y,z FROM ".CTABLE_TBL." WHERE x='$sometink' AND y='$sometink' ORDER BY time DESC LIMIT 50");
2014-04-10 19:51 <Sked> o i see
2014-04-10 19:52 <Sked> tnx
2014-04-10 19:52 <Plugh> Also be careful of your use of time. I'd have to check if it is a reserved word. If it is a field name you should use `time`.
2014-04-10 19:52 <Sked> o i see
2014-04-10 19:52 <Plugh> I've gotten in to the habit of always putting ` around field names to avoid running in to issues where a field name is also a reserved work.
2014-04-10 19:53 <Plugh> s/work/word/
2014-04-10 19:55 <Sked> can i use OR instead of AND
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2014-04-10 19:56 <Sked> hehe work
2014-04-10 19:56 <Sked> tnx
2014-04-10 20:00 <Plugh> Sked: yes
2014-04-10 20:01 <Plugh> You can use multiple conditions. Just keep in mind that you might need to put ( and ) around some of the conditions if you mix AND with OR to make sure the various conditions will be evaluated as you intended.
2014-04-10 20:02 <Sked> o i see
2014-04-10 20:02 <osmantis> Bug #7107:04 Add "Max Prims per User" setting for Regions / Parcels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7107 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-10 20:03 <Plugh> Take a=1 AND b=2 OR c=3, for example. is that "(a=1 AND b=2) OR c=3" or "a=1 AND (b=2 OR c=3)"?
2014-04-10 20:03 <Sked> awsome
2014-04-10 20:03 <Sked> tnx
2014-04-10 20:03 <Plugh> yw
2014-04-10 20:03 <osmantis> Bug #7107:04 [PATCH] Add "Max Prims per User" setting for Regions / Parcels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7107 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-04-10 20:04 <Dev_Random> Decided to take a stab at max prims per user... any feed back appreciated.  Especially regarding the stuff I missed because I didn't know it existed.
2014-04-10 20:04 <Plugh> Time to go for a walk while I have lots of time before dinner and it is almost like summer outside. Currently 18C.
2014-04-10 20:05 <Plugh> Per user?
2014-04-10 20:05 <Dev_Random> per user
2014-04-10 20:05 <Dev_Random> intended as a counter-griefing measure
2014-04-10 20:07 <Plugh> I'm going out shortly. Initial thoughts are that if you are worried about griefers then don't allow rezzing to anyone. For sandboxes, set a reasonable prim limit and use PrimLimitsModule.
2014-04-10 20:07 <Plugh> I'll have to read the rest of that report later to see how your idea would be an additional bit of protection.
2014-04-10 20:07 <Sked> tnx
2014-04-10 20:08 <Sked> have fun
2014-04-10 20:09 <Plugh> Dev_Random: How would you go about deciding how many prims per user and when would you increase or decrease the limit for a given user?
2014-04-10 20:10 <Dev_Random> new Regions.ini param.  
2014-04-10 20:10 <jakdaniels_> Dev_Random, is this prims per user as in av attachments, or is it number of prims on a sim per owner?
2014-04-10 20:10 <Plugh> bbl
2014-04-10 20:10 <Dev_Random> on a sim.
2014-04-10 20:11 <jakdaniels_> i guess you would need exclusions to that limit for estate_owner, region_owner, parcel_owner etc?
2014-04-10 20:11 <Dev_Random> as stated in mantis "Parcel Owners, Estate Owners, and Estate Managers are excluded from the restriction. "
2014-04-10 20:11 <jakdaniels_> ooh i missed that mantis.... reading back... ;-)
2014-04-10 20:12 <Dev_Random> gotta get some of that air too.... back in a bit
2014-04-10 20:22 <Melanie_T> Dev_Random: i'd like to talk to you about that patch
2014-04-10 20:48 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION dons his nomex, and informs Melanie_T that he's back

2014-04-10 20:48 <dahlia> justin is talking: http://www.livestream.com/metaworld2
2014-04-10 20:53 <Melanie_T> Dev_Random: your patch is the second in a short time that adds stuff that is configured at region level
2014-04-10 20:53 <Dev_Random> is that bad?
2014-04-10 20:53 <Melanie_T> the config reader for that isn't really suited for extension
2014-04-10 20:54 <Melanie_T> i was wondering if you may want to consider extending it in such a way that it can read config values into a name/value store
2014-04-10 20:54 <Melanie_T> like a dictionary
2014-04-10 20:54 <Melanie_T> to make that more universal
2014-04-10 20:54 <Melanie_T> because i could see more region level options in the future
2014-04-10 20:54 <Melanie_T> and also region modules may want a means to read region level options
2014-04-10 20:55 <Dev_Random> could take a stab at that too.... 
2014-04-10 20:55 <Melanie_T> if that existed, it would not be necessary to modify land to access them
2014-04-10 20:55 <Dev_Random> same patch?  or a new one.
2014-04-10 20:55 <Melanie_T> because the modifications to land could be dropped
2014-04-10 20:55 <Melanie_T> keeping all the logic in primlimitsmodule
2014-04-10 20:55 <Dev_Random> that would definitetly simplify things.
2014-04-10 20:56 <Melanie_T> if there were such a thing as public T Scene.GetRegionOption<T>(string title)
2014-04-10 20:56 <Melanie_T> so you'd just do:
2014-04-10 20:56 <Melanie_T> maxPrimsPerUser = m_Scene.GetRegionOption<int>("MaxPrimsPerUser");
2014-04-10 20:56 <Melanie_T> see where i'm coming from?
2014-04-10 20:57 <Dev_Random> mostly.  problem is my unfamiliarity with the codebase... I have no idea what I'm breaking until it breaks
2014-04-10 20:57 <Dev_Random> I can see where that approach would be far better than what's there
2014-04-10 20:58 <Melanie_T> well, thing is
2014-04-10 20:58 <Melanie_T> currently XML is read in an iterative way
2014-04-10 20:58 <Melanie_T> e.g. an attribute is read, then the registered handler for it is called
2014-04-10 20:58 <Melanie_T> ini is read directly
2014-04-10 20:58 <Melanie_T> the code knows what values to read and accesses them
2014-04-10 20:59 <Melanie_T> in order for this to work, ini would need to be read iteratively
2014-04-10 20:59 <Melanie_T> and the XML may need to be converted to reading it with XDocument
2014-04-10 20:59 <Melanie_T> well, it may actually be too alrge a scope for a first big project
2014-04-10 20:59 <Dev_Random> sounding like it's over my head
2014-04-10 21:00 <Melanie_T> but while i do want the prim limits module functionality - it makes a lot of sense
2014-04-10 21:00 <Melanie_T> i don't want the changes to land that you made just to patch the data through
2014-04-10 21:00 <Melanie_T> it introduces unnecessary complexity
2014-04-10 21:00 <Melanie_T> i'll look into this
2014-04-10 21:01 <Melanie_T> see if I can put in that config acess
2014-04-10 21:01 <Melanie_T> then your patch can be massively siplified
2014-04-10 21:01 <Dev_Random> I can take another stab at that patch with reduced complexity.  I was trying to follow what I saw as "the way we do it".
2014-04-10 21:01 <Melanie_T> the code that reads the region ini is very old
2014-04-10 21:02 <Melanie_T> it's no longer representative of the way we want to do things
2014-04-10 21:02 <Dev_Random> let me take another shot, and I'll check in another  one.
2014-04-10 21:02 <dahlia> I wouldnt mind something like the dynamic attributes but at a region level rather than SOP level, but that's probably only very loosly related to this conversation, if at all
2014-04-10 21:03 <Melanie_T> dahlia: it's related, but orthogonal
2014-04-10 21:03 <dahlia> 
ACTION goes back to h4x1ng

2014-04-10 21:03 <Melanie_T> this is about configuration
2014-04-10 21:03 <Melanie_T> and dyn attrs is about value storage
2014-04-10 21:03 <dahlia> ya but I just threw it out there while it was in my head :)
2014-04-10 21:03 <Melanie_T> and the real issue with this config thing is that opensim is actually able to WRITE to the regin config
2014-04-10 21:04 <dahlia> it used to create them
2014-04-10 21:04 <dahlia> maybe still does?
2014-04-10 21:04 <Melanie_T> it does
2014-04-10 21:04 <Melanie_T> Dev_Random: also, for the future
2014-04-10 21:05 <Melanie_T> please don't mic whitespace corrections in unrelated code with a functional patch
2014-04-10 21:05 <Dev_Random> noted
2014-04-10 21:05 <Melanie_T> it's ok to correct whitespace in code lines you're touching anyway
2014-04-10 21:05 <Melanie_T> but if you go on a whitespace crusade, the whitespace fixed should be a patch in themselves
2014-04-10 21:05 <Melanie_T> it makes the actual functional patch more readable
2014-04-10 21:06 <Melanie_T> and makes merging easier for downstream projects
2014-04-10 21:06 <Dev_Random> not so much a crusade, as "edit/format/remove whitespace"
2014-04-10 21:06 <Dev_Random> agreed though... won't happen again
2014-04-10 21:08 <Melanie_T> please help me
2014-04-10 21:08 <Melanie_T> split your patch
2014-04-10 21:08 <Melanie_T> i would like one with white space corrections only
2014-04-10 21:08 <Melanie_T> and one patch for the functionality and refactor int he prim limits module
2014-04-10 21:09 <Melanie_T> remove GetSimulatorMaxPrimsPerUser
2014-04-10 21:09 <Melanie_T> and everything that pertains to it
2014-04-10 21:09 <Melanie_T> you need to make no functional changed to ILandObject or anything in land
2014-04-10 21:09 <Melanie_T> see
2014-04-10 21:10 <Melanie_T> region info can be accessed as m_Scene.RegionInfo
2014-04-10 21:10 <Melanie_T> you don't need to store the data in land
2014-04-10 21:10 <Melanie_T> you can get to it directly
2014-04-10 21:12 <Dev_Random> no problem there... 
2014-04-10 21:13 <Melanie_T> land is already a mess
2014-04-10 21:13 <Melanie_T> i really don't want more added to it
2014-04-10 21:14 <Melanie_T> not if it can just as well be done another, cleaner way
2014-04-10 21:15 <Dev_Random> I'll hopefully get something new in later tonight.  Must return to day job now....
2014-04-10 21:15 <Melanie_T> ok
2014-04-10 21:15 <Dev_Random> thanks for the feedback
2014-04-10 21:15 <Melanie_T> the RegionInfo configuration subsystem is obsolete
2014-04-10 21:16 <Melanie_T> last touched in 2007
2014-04-10 21:16 <Melanie_T> overcomplex, overengineered
2014-04-10 21:29 <Plugh> Dev_Random: What is a nomex?
2014-04-10 21:38 <Dev_Random> Plugh: http://www.dpp-europe.com/DuPont-marks-40th-anniversary-of.html
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2014-04-10 21:47 <Plugh> dahlia: Fleep Tuque and diva are two of four people on the next panel.
2014-04-10 21:48 <dahlia> Plugh: ya had it on, stream kinda flaky tho
2014-04-10 21:48 <dahlia> Melanie_T and nebadon too
2014-04-10 21:49 <Plugh> dahlia: I only saw the link earlier. Is this being held in Sweden?
2014-04-10 21:50 <dahlia> osgrid as far as I know
2014-04-10 21:50 <dahlia> not sure, I wasn't involved
2014-04-10 23:01 <osmantis> Bug #7107:04 [PATCH] Add "Max Prims per User" setting for Regions / Parcels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7107 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-10 23:17 <Aleric> justincc: hi
2014-04-10 23:20 <justincc> hi Aleric
2014-04-10 23:20 <Aleric> oh, I was already writing a privmsg :)
2014-04-10 23:29 <justincc> hey danbanner
2014-04-10 23:29 <danbanner> hey justin
2014-04-10 23:29 <justincc> danbanner: so is there a teleport problem with current code, the hg messages you were mentioning last night?
2014-04-10 23:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #3480 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-10 23:30 <danbanner> ya was an issue last night, not sure what cause was but plaza08 sims considered sims on plaza09 as HG and un-reachable
2014-04-10 23:30 <justincc> that's still the case?
2014-04-10 23:31 <danbanner> ive been checking and it hasnt happened again
2014-04-10 23:31 <danbanner> but i did update again
2014-04-10 23:31 <justincc> ok
2014-04-10 23:32 <danbanner> not sure what the cause was but it said something about gateway being the sim url
2014-04-10 23:32 <danbanner> which it isnt ofcourse
2014-04-10 23:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3480: FAILURE in 3 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3480/
2014-04-10 23:34 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix the presence info caching used in llRequestAgentData(), which was completely inoperative.
2014-04-10 23:35 <Plugh> SianaGearz: ping
2014-04-10 23:36 <danbanner> btw justincc
2014-04-10 23:36 <danbanner> you know you and about 12 other avatars are showing online at the vwbpr region is osg
2014-04-10 23:36 <danbanner> vwbpe*
2014-04-10 23:37 <justincc> yeah, I imagine the sim crashed and never deregistered them
2014-04-10 23:37 <danbanner> sims up and working fine
2014-04-10 23:37 <justincc> this is what creates wrong grid user entries
2014-04-10 23:37 <justincc> hm
2014-04-10 23:37 <danbanner> i went there and the sims are empty
2014-04-10 23:37 <justincc> there were big problems today, I expect notifications got lost
2014-04-10 23:37 <danbanner> ah
2014-04-10 23:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #3481 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #3479 9 hr 22 min ago)
2014-04-10 23:42 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2014-04-10 23:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3481: FIXED in 3 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3481/
2014-04-10 23:42 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Actually add the llRequestAgentData() test class for commit 530c86
2014-04-10 23:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #3482 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2014-04-10 23:55 <paulieflomar> justincc: the OpenSim office Hour chat logs page for the meeting on 2014-04-08 has no text on the page.
2014-04-10 23:56 <Melanie_T> justincc: why are you null checking the script engine config?
2014-04-10 23:56 <Melanie_T> it can't be null
2014-04-10 23:56 <Melanie_T> since it has to have at least Enabled=true in it
2014-04-10 23:56 <justincc> Melanie_T: to avoid busy work in regression tests
2014-04-10 23:56 <Melanie_T> or else no LSL api is ever loaded
2014-04-10 23:56 <justincc> the mock engine doesn't require enablement
2014-04-10 23:56 <Melanie_T> i disagree on this solution
2014-04-10 23:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3482: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3482/
2014-04-10 23:57 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: use constants instead of magic numbers in llRequestAgentData() where possible
2014-04-10 23:57 <Melanie_T> this means the extra work is now done by production code that is run every time a script starts
2014-04-10 23:57 <Melanie_T> rather than being in the test where it doesn't hurt performance
2014-04-10 23:57 <justincc> the amount of work is completely trivial
2014-04-10 23:57 <Melanie_T> run time performance trumps test performance
2014-04-10 23:58 <Melanie_T> it's trivial for one iteration 
2014-04-10 23:59 <Melanie_T> but in a region with 9000 scripts, it will mean about a second
2014-04-10 23:59 <justincc> no it won't.  Null checks won't take even a fraction of that
2014-04-10 23:59 <Melanie_T> it's not a big deal
2014-04-10 23:59 <Melanie_T> just wrong in principle
2014-04-10 23:59 <Melanie_T> runtime should not be disadvantaged to facilitate tests, that's a slippery slope
2014-04-11 00:00 <justincc> slippery slope arguments are invalid.  Of course, one wouldn't put in a big performance hit for test purposes
2014-04-11 00:01 <Melanie_T> well, different schools of thoughts here. it's just what i have learned, code should not bow to tests, tests must bow to code
2014-04-11 00:09 <justincc> paulieflomar: okay, looks like in my tiredness fug I forgot to hit save on the page and now I've lost it
2014-04-11 00:10 <justincc> well, time to dig through my viewer logs I guess
2014-04-11 00:19 <justincc> paulieflomar: ok, it's there now
2014-04-11 00:29 <paulieflomar> thx!
2014-04-11 00:30 <osmantis> Bug #7101:04 4 Vivox messages in log file every second if Voice in Land Settings is turned off. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7101 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-11 00:33 <osmantis> Bug #7101:04 4 Vivox messages in log file every second if Voice in Land Settings is turned off. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7101 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-11 00:34 <osmantis> Bug #7101:04 4 Vivox messages in log file every second if Voice in Land Settings is turned off. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7101 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-11 00:35 <osmantis> Bug #7098:04 maptiles are no longer drawn 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7098 ): has been CLOSED
2014-04-11 00:37 <osmantis> Bug #7101:04 4 Vivox messages in log file every second if Voice in Land Settings is turned off. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7101 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-11 00:42 <osmantis> Bug #7088:04 llRequestAgentData() cache code broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7088 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-11 00:42 <dahlia> justincc: any thoughts on having something like your DynAttrs stuff, but at a region level?
2014-04-11 00:43 <justincc> dahlia: there is a regionextra table of key:value pairs, though I don't remember off the top of my head how it is accessed
2014-04-11 00:44 <dahlia> a database table?
2014-04-11 00:44 <justincc> yes
2014-04-11 00:44 <Melanie_T> justincc: it's not what dahlia needs
2014-04-11 00:45 <justincc> dahlia: probably Scene.StoreExtraSetting(), etc.
2014-04-11 00:45 <Melanie_T> it's an automagical parsing of properties on the RegionSettings class
2014-04-11 00:45 <dahlia> well I sometimes store stuff in files from within region modules which is kind if a PITA
2014-04-11 00:45 <Melanie_T> like a poorr man's DO
2014-04-11 00:45 <Melanie_T> DAO
2014-04-11 00:45 <justincc> the code looks like it just manipulates key:value pairs though?
2014-04-11 00:46 <Melanie_T> it still requires code changes to RegionSettings.cs and Migrations for every field added
2014-04-11 00:46 <Melanie_T> hmmm
2014-04-11 00:46 <Melanie_T> then that may not be what i'm talking about
2014-04-11 00:46 <Melanie_T> maybe that was added without me noticing
2014-04-11 00:46 <justincc> you added it I believe
2014-04-11 00:46 <Melanie_T> I added RegionSettings
2014-04-11 00:46 <Melanie_T> but, as I said
2014-04-11 00:46 <Melanie_T> adding a field requres a Migration
2014-04-11 00:47 <justincc> it would start to get messy
2014-04-11 00:47 <Melanie_T> it's not a generic, dynamic name:value store
2014-04-11 00:47 <dahlia> ya Id rather not add fields
2014-04-11 00:47 <justincc> though one could say the same about dynamic attributes
2014-04-11 00:47 <dahlia> would rather have something dynamic
2014-04-11 00:47 <justincc> c27ff70d
2014-04-11 00:47 <Melanie_T> IMHO, modules that need storage should manage their own
2014-04-11 00:48 <Melanie_T> architecturally, module<-> core couplings are too tight in opensim
2014-04-11 00:48 <Melanie_T> i would prefer less interdependence
2014-04-11 00:48 <Melanie_T> but we also try to limit code duplication
2014-04-11 00:48 <Melanie_T> which is a dilemma
2014-04-11 00:49 <Melanie_T> if i had my druthers...
2014-04-11 00:49 <Melanie_T> i would create a DataStorageModule
2014-04-11 00:49 <dahlia> well it makes more sense for some of this stuff to be included in oar files rather than having another file along with the oar
2014-04-11 00:49 <Melanie_T> exposing interfaces to store/retrieve data
2014-04-11 00:49 <Melanie_T> using a fully generic store at the Opensim/Data level
2014-04-11 00:50 <justincc> you mena like key:value pairs throughout?
2014-04-11 00:50 <Melanie_T> the reason fir that is that the store could be replaced, for instance by a WEBDAV one
2014-04-11 00:50 <Melanie_T> without the upper code levels needing to change
2014-04-11 00:50 <Melanie_T> justincc: not for core stuff but for all module storage needs
2014-04-11 00:50 <justincc> dahlia: yes.  I would suspect those extra settings aren't loaded/saved to oars at the moment
2014-04-11 00:51 <Melanie_T> i'm looking into removing Config
2014-04-11 00:51 <Melanie_T> replacing it with XDocument, the net 3.5 document handler
2014-04-11 00:51 <dahlia> I wasnt talking configs but I guess they could also work in such an environment
2014-04-11 00:51 <Melanie_T> so we'd just have pure XMD and nini
2014-04-11 00:51 <Melanie_T> yay for generalization
2014-04-11 00:52 <Melanie_T> i believe storage and config need both to be modular and distributed
2014-04-11 00:52 <Melanie_T> for config, that is almost there
2014-04-11 00:52 <Melanie_T> only regions.ini is still done the old way
2014-04-11 00:52 <Melanie_T> i will change that
2014-04-11 00:52 <Melanie_T> for data, see above
2014-04-11 00:52 <justincc> xdocument is just a linq method for accessing xml documents
2014-04-11 00:52 <Melanie_T> a central storage facility, an interface for it, a module to manage it
2014-04-11 00:52 <Melanie_T> and other modules can use it
2014-04-11 00:52 <Melanie_T> justincc: correct
2014-04-11 00:53 <Melanie_T> the ConfigMember used only by RegionInfo is overengineered and outdated
2014-04-11 00:53 <Melanie_T> last touch 2007
2014-04-11 00:54 <Melanie_T> in order to provide dynamic configuration at region level, ConfigMember needs to go
2014-04-11 00:54 <dahlia> was thinking more general storage rather than replacing config
2014-04-11 00:54 <Melanie_T> it is unsuitable for reading attributes not known at compile time
2014-04-11 00:54 <Melanie_T> dahlia: those go hand in hand
2014-04-11 00:54 <Melanie_T> i'm describing two different things here
2014-04-11 00:55 <justincc> That ConfigurationMember stuff is ancient, I wasn't even aware it was really used anymore
2014-04-11 00:55 <Melanie_T> separate
2014-04-11 00:55 <justincc> rather than just straight nini
2014-04-11 00:55 <Melanie_T> we can't use nini although i'd love to
2014-04-11 00:55 <Melanie_T> because legacy data exists
2014-04-11 00:55 <Melanie_T> got to be able to read it
2014-04-11 00:55 <justincc> dahlia: for that,. I don't see why you couldn't use those extra settings, though one would need to then save and load them to oars (which wouldnt' be hard)
2014-04-11 00:55 <Melanie_T> so my rework will allow ini, nini xml and legaxy xml (read only)
2014-04-11 00:56 <Melanie_T> i've long since already converted it to WRITE only nini....
2014-04-11 00:56 <justincc> we can't move away from .ini for user config files.  XML is too verbose
2014-04-11 00:56 <Melanie_T> read again
2014-04-11 00:56 <Melanie_T> INI, NINI XML _and_ legacy XML
2014-04-11 00:56 <Melanie_T> nini xml is an alternate nini input format
2014-04-11 00:57 <Melanie_T> config webloading uses it
2014-04-11 00:57 <dahlia> justincc: I'd rather have something like the dynattrs stuff, just for consistency if nothing else. Anyway, its not necessary, just wishful thinking out loud just in case anyone else thought such might be useful
2014-04-11 00:57 <justincc> I doubt anybody is using xml at this point
2014-04-11 00:57 <justincc> dahlia: yeah I would love consistency as well...
2014-04-11 00:57 <justincc> dahlia: ok :)
2014-04-11 00:57 <Melanie_T> justincc: configmemnber xml used to be default
2014-04-11 00:57 <Melanie_T> people will still have such region files
2014-04-11 00:57 <justincc> in the ancient past
2014-04-11 00:58 <Melanie_T> i'm ok woth doing away with it
2014-04-11 00:58 <Melanie_T> replacing it with nini xml
2014-04-11 00:58 <Melanie_T> that allows ini and xml
2014-04-11 00:58 <justincc> no, I don't think you can keep massive chunks of code around just in case somebody is still using the same xml config they had in 2007....
2014-04-11 00:58 <Melanie_T> as opensim.ini does
2014-04-11 00:58 <justincc> which woujld be heroic anyway with all the various config changes
2014-04-11 00:58 <Melanie_T> and it's all handled by nini
2014-04-11 00:58 <Melanie_T> the old xml format, with all params being attributes, is wrong on so many levels
2014-04-11 00:58 <Melanie_T> it doesn't bear thinking about
2014-04-11 00:59 <dahlia> ewwww XML *shudder*
2014-04-11 00:59 <Melanie_T> so, if we're all +1 on t
2014-04-11 00:59 <justincc> well, any major stuff needs some kind of ml discussion - we can't just keep putting things in willy nilly.  It results in all kinds of inconsistency.
2014-04-11 00:59 <Melanie_T> my rework will remove support for it
2014-04-11 01:01 <justincc> anyway, I need to go and rest now.  Goodnight folks
2014-04-11 01:02 <Melanie_T> ML sent
2014-04-11 01:26 <osmantis> Bug #7107:04 [PATCH] Add "Max Prims per User" setting for Regions / Parcels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7107 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-11 02:05 <smxy> Melanie_T: Have you considered finishing your Avination code merges before talking on a new projeect?
2014-04-11 02:05 <smxy> 1 thing at a time. :)
2014-04-11 10:53 <Wolkenreiter> Hi! Can someone help me import a raw terrain file into a megaregion? Seems the instructions in the wiki don't work...
2014-04-11 10:57 <Wolkenreiter> Oops... how did I end up on the dev channel? wasn't supposed to happen...
2014-04-11 10:58 <nebadon> thats ok Wolkenreiter, to be honest I am not sure you can do that on a mega
2014-04-11 10:58 <nebadon> is all you have a raw file?
2014-04-11 10:58 <nebadon> any chance you have png or something?
2014-04-11 10:59 <Wolkenreiter> Well, I have baked a grayscale png image in Blender and followed the instructions from the wiki to convert it to r32 in L3DT
2014-04-11 11:00 <Wolkenreiter> So I'm pretty flexible, as long as I can find a workable solution
2014-04-11 11:00 <nebadon> ok the best way to do terrain is from the region console
2014-04-11 11:01 <Wolkenreiter> Yes, that's what I'm trying...
2014-04-11 11:01 <nebadon> ok terrain load-tile
2014-04-11 11:01 <nebadon> use png format
2014-04-11 11:01 <Wolkenreiter> Humm, that tells me it only works with a 256x256 file :/
2014-04-11 11:02 <nebadon> no
2014-04-11 11:02 <nebadon> how big is your mega
2014-04-11 11:02 <Wolkenreiter> 4x4
2014-04-11 11:03 <nebadon> ok so it will go something like this > terrain load-tile /path/to/terrain.png 4 4 1000 1000
2014-04-11 11:03 <nebadon> your png needs to be 1024x1024
2014-04-11 11:03 <nebadon> and 1000 1000 assumes that is the coordinates of your simulator
2014-04-11 11:03 <nebadon> so change that to whatever your SW region is
2014-04-11 11:05 <Wolkenreiter> Ah, so it's supposed to global grid position!
2014-04-11 11:06 <Wolkenreiter> Humm, that did something, and built the terrain, but after it was done, I cannot see any terrain anymore :(
2014-04-11 11:06 <nebadon> maybe relog
2014-04-11 11:06 <nebadon> also
2014-04-11 11:06 <nebadon> look under water
2014-04-11 11:06 <nebadon> you might need to scale it up a bit
2014-04-11 11:06 <Wolkenreiter> Ah, hehe, it had shot me like 2000metres into the sky :D
2014-04-11 11:06 <nebadon> oh lol
2014-04-11 11:06 <nebadon> ya
2014-04-11 11:07 <nebadon> best to not be logged in when you do that
2014-04-11 11:13 <Wolkenreiter> Ok, that worked, so it's hopefully just a matter of correctly adjusting level and scale, now... thanks for your help :)
2014-04-11 14:51 <smxy> Is this a true statement: The ROBUST server has no part in any in-grid, between-region teleports and thus logs nothing about them?
2014-04-11 15:20 <nebadon> im not sure I would say no part, but it might not actually log anything on the robust console
2014-04-11 15:21 <nebadon> that would make for a lot of logging and could impact performance considerably on larger grids
2014-04-11 15:24 <LiruCookies> nebadon: Could be interesting to have a compile flag or setting for small grid logging of higher verbosity
2014-04-11 15:25 <nebadon> you can probably edit the Robust.exe.config
2014-04-11 15:25 <nebadon> and enable crazy verbose logging of everything
2014-04-11 15:26 <LiruCookies> You should see what LL server logs are like, talk about excessive logging
2014-04-11 15:26 <LiruCookies> 
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2014-04-11 15:43 <H-H-H> getting jenkins to use a local git repo is a pia
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2014-04-11 17:42 <Sked> Hi guys
2014-04-11 17:46 <Plugh> Hey, Sked
2014-04-11 17:52 <Sked> Hi
2014-04-11 17:52 <Sked> do you have little time to help me please
2014-04-11 17:53 <Sked> i am trying to combine foreach and for
2014-04-11 17:53 <Sked> is this possible
2014-04-11 17:53 <Sked> i make one example
2014-04-11 17:53 <Sked> http://pastebin.com/ZVhDw5K5
2014-04-11 17:57 <jakdaniels> what is the outer for loop doing?
2014-04-11 17:57 <Sked> well i want to combine foreach and for
2014-04-11 17:58 <Sked> and have only one loop
2014-04-11 17:58 <jakdaniels> your foreach loop should do that, there are 14 entries in the array
2014-04-11 17:58 <Sked> o i see
2014-04-11 17:58 <Sked> didnt think this
2014-04-11 17:58 <jakdaniels> it will iterate over each array entry
2014-04-11 17:59 <Sked> but i need $count1 to raise each time too
2014-04-11 17:59 <Sked> then i can just use $count1 ++
2014-04-11 18:00 <Plugh> Set $count to 0 (or 1) before the foreach and increment it at the end of the loop.
2014-04-11 18:00 <Sked> i will try somethink
2014-04-11 18:01 <jakdaniels> yes that will work I think, not sure you will be making a valid folder id with $folderID$count1
2014-04-11 18:01 <Sked> i will try
2014-04-11 18:02 <jakdaniels> does each folder in the array just need a random uuid?
2014-04-11 18:02 <Sked> yes
2014-04-11 18:02 <Sked> well this is for making inventory into db for newuser
2014-04-11 18:02 <jakdaniels> then just put the $folderID= and the $folderID1= inside the loop and remove $count1 altogether
2014-04-11 18:02 <Plugh> yes, each folder will need its own unique UUID.
2014-04-11 18:03 <Sked> ok
2014-04-11 18:03 <jakdaniels> ah but one of those UUID is a parent folder
2014-04-11 18:04 <jakdaniels> do all the folders sit under the same paranet?
2014-04-11 18:04 <Sked> omg it works
2014-04-11 18:04 <Sked> thank you so much
2014-04-11 18:04 <Sked> http://virtuallife-grid.com/Sked/loop.php
2014-04-11 18:05 <jakdaniels> if so the UUID in parentFolderID should all be the same
2014-04-11 18:05 <Plugh> Combining those loops you only need $folderID. The way you were using $folderID$count1 wouldn't have worked.
2014-04-11 18:05 <Sked> ok
2014-04-11 18:05 <jakdaniels> yes that looks right sked i think
2014-04-11 18:05 <jakdaniels> if the first is the parent
2014-04-11 18:06 <Sked> me too
2014-04-11 18:06 <Sked> thank you
2014-04-11 18:07 <Sked> just one question
2014-04-11 18:07 <Sked> is importent in UUID key that must have small letters
2014-04-11 18:07 <Sked> or can have big one too
2014-04-11 18:07 <jakdaniels> i know its probably a one in a million chance, but you should probably check that a UUID has not been used before
2014-04-11 18:08 <Sked> good idea
2014-04-11 18:08 <jakdaniels> i don't know if case is important
2014-04-11 18:08 <Plugh> I don't think case makes a difference in a UUID. Typical is to use lowercase.
2014-04-11 18:08 <Sked> o i see
2014-04-11 18:08 <jakdaniels> you can either use a unique key in the database and test if your insert worked, or
2014-04-11 18:08 <Plugh> jakdaniels: That can be done by checking whether an insert failed.
2014-04-11 18:09 <jakdaniels> maybe quicker is just to store each key in a temp array and use if(in_array($key,$tmp_array))
2014-04-11 18:09 <jakdaniels> when making the uuid
2014-04-11 18:09 <jakdaniels> saves a database query
2014-04-11 18:10 <Plugh> If you have thousands of users there would be thousands of keys (parent folder ID's)
2014-04-11 18:10 <jakdaniels> but actually, you probably need a global uuid checker, make sure the uuid is unique whatever the table you're working on
2014-04-11 18:10 <Plugh> Take a look at how UUID generation is done on this page -> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2040240/php-function-to-generate-v4-uuid
2014-04-11 18:11 <Sked> ok
2014-04-11 18:11 <Plugh> It uses time values to make a uniq ID. 
2014-04-11 18:11 <jakdaniels> i guess that should guarantee it's uniqueness?
2014-04-11 18:11 <Sked> yes i see
2014-04-11 18:11 <Sked> good one
2014-04-11 18:12 <Plugh> I doubt it would guarantee it but it could help reduce the chance of collisions.
2014-04-11 18:12 <Sked> yes
2014-04-11 18:12 <Plugh> Unless you have a very large inventory you aren't that likely to have collisions.
2014-04-11 18:12 <jakdaniels> yes, a bit like md5 was s'posed to be a good hash, but was proved to have duplicates for different input ;-)
2014-04-11 18:13 <Plugh> 
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2014-04-11 18:23 <Sked> if i use if then i must use one = or two ==
2014-04-11 18:23 <Sked> if($count1 = 9) or if($count1 == 9)
2014-04-11 18:23 <Sked> wich one is right
2014-04-11 18:23 <jakdaniels> == for untyped comparison
2014-04-11 18:23 <jakdaniels> === for typed
2014-04-11 18:24 <jakdaniels> i.e. compare variable types as well
2014-04-11 18:24 <Sked> i see
2014-04-11 18:24 <jakdaniels> 1 == 'A' is probably true
2014-04-11 18:24 <Sked> yes
2014-04-11 18:24 <jakdaniels> 1 === 'A' is false
2014-04-11 18:24 <Sked> o i understund
2014-04-11 18:24 <Sked> tnx
2014-04-11 18:45 <osmantis> Bug #7107:04 [PATCH] Add "Max Prims per User" setting for Regions / Parcels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7107 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-04-11 21:27 <dahlia> 200 people in SL meeting where Ebbe was speaking
2014-04-11 21:27 <dahlia> I thought I heard it was 4 sims
2014-04-12 00:35 <danbanner> justincc: see PM
2014-04-12 00:36 <justincc> ok, so I just hopped on. I can go from teravus to vwbpe central and from vwbpe central to lbsa
2014-04-12 00:36 <justincc> so it looks like some particular issue with the teravus -> lbsa hop
2014-04-12 00:37 <justincc> and I can go lbsa -> teravus
2014-04-12 00:37 <danbanner> ya and i can get there via wright too
2014-04-12 00:38 <danbanner> whats strange is if i restart teravus it all works again
2014-04-12 00:38 <justincc> don't do it quite yet
2014-04-12 00:38 <danbanner> nope
2014-04-12 00:38 <justincc> it almost looks like teravus caches some bad information
2014-04-12 00:38 <danbanner> ahh
2014-04-12 00:39 <Misterblue> there are far too many caches
2014-04-12 00:39 <justincc> yes, and not properly and consistently organized
2014-04-12 00:39 <Misterblue> exactly
2014-04-12 00:40 <Misterblue> and failures have funny side effects because of extra caching
2014-04-12 00:40 <justincc> danbanner: yeah, I see that's also the only log info
2014-04-12 00:41 <danbanner> yup
2014-04-12 00:41 <justincc> okay, I'm at the end of my day now, but what I'm gong to do is put it in a mantis and assign it to orenh to get his attention :)
2014-04-12 00:41 <justincc> afaik, he's the only one who has worked in the HG area recently
2014-04-12 00:41 <danbanner> okay thanks
2014-04-12 00:42 <danbanner> he touched cache stuff too looks like
2014-04-12 00:42 <danbanner> this occured 24 to 48 hours after start
2014-04-12 00:43 <justincc> do you have any idea of the range of commits under which it coul dhave started to happen?
2014-04-12 00:43 <danbanner> some time after aec723b
2014-04-12 00:43 <danbanner> 24592
2014-04-12 00:45 <justincc> are the source and dest regions the same as previously or a different pair?
2014-04-12 00:45 <smxy> danbanner: Is this the 'in-grid tp looks like an hg tp' issue?
2014-04-12 00:45 <danbanner> yes
2014-04-12 00:46 <danbanner>  http://pastebin.com/aGxtH3WK
2014-04-12 00:46 <danbanner> wrong gatekeeper
2014-04-12 00:46 <danbanner> gatekeeper is hg.osgrid.org
2014-04-12 00:46 <danbanner> its using the regions uri for gatekeeper
2014-04-12 00:46 <danbanner> but works fine after initial loading
2014-04-12 00:47 <justincc> ok, is this same pair as regions as previous failure?
2014-04-12 00:47 <danbanner> ya
2014-04-12 00:47 <smxy> When I mentioned it to orenh, he said he'd like a mantis and logs.
2014-04-12 00:47 <justincc> that's what I'm creating right now
2014-04-12 00:47 <danbanner> great
2014-04-12 00:48 <smxy> I'd pasted him dan's comments from a couple nights ago, so he's aware of it. He was looking for dan for more info, but he wasn't on then.
2014-04-12 00:48 <justincc> yeah, as a developer, can need a lot of info on this stuff
2014-04-12 00:48 <justincc> system is so complex it's not always obvious where a problem is introduced
2014-04-12 00:49 <danbanner> lbsa reports [Hypergrid]
2014-04-12 00:49 <danbanner>   safemode = false
2014-04-12 00:49 <danbanner>   HomeURI = http://hg.osgrid.org:80/user
2014-04-12 00:49 <danbanner>   GatekeeperURI = http://hg.osgrid.org:80
2014-04-12 00:49 <danbanner> so i dont understand how teravus plaza thinks the sim's uri is the gatekeeper
2014-04-12 00:50 <smxy> I'm chasing a problem whereby my regionID is getting set to a zero UUID, so my presence table cleaner wipes out my presence entry and I then can't TP out of whatever region I'm in.
2014-04-12 00:50 <justincc> danbanner: And when you restart teravus (but not lbsa) the sim is fine again?
2014-04-12 00:50 <danbanner> yes
2014-04-12 00:50 <justincc> danbanner: I expect a code bug
2014-04-12 00:50 <danbanner> ya
2014-04-12 00:50 <danbanner> somethings getting corrupted
2014-04-12 00:50 <justincc> maybe a race condition, though could be some less likely set of conditions consistently triggers it
2014-04-12 00:51 <justincc> smxy: so you;'ve seen it on a different pair of regions?
2014-04-12 00:51 <danbanner> like HG visitor maybe
2014-04-12 00:51 <justincc> yeah, maybe with corrupted info or something
2014-04-12 00:51 <justincc> but I'm guessing a lot there
2014-04-12 00:51 <justincc> not super familiar with hg code
2014-04-12 00:53 <smxy> My issue is likely not related to yours. But it's brand new. I've been running the cleaner since mid-October and it just in the last week started zapping me, so something changed.
2014-04-12 00:53 <justincc> cleaner?
2014-04-12 00:53 <smxy> At least I don't think it's related to yours.
2014-04-12 00:54 <smxy> Yes, per a conversation with Mel, I delete any presence entry that has a region UUID of zero and that has been in the table for 8 minutes.
2014-04-12 00:54 <smxy> She does that in Avination too.
2014-04-12 00:54 <danbanner> justin you wanna hop of teravus?
2014-04-12 00:54 <justincc> you want to restart?
2014-04-12 00:54 <danbanner> or you still looking at it?
2014-04-12 00:55 <justincc> Could you hold on a few minutes whilst i complete this bug report?
2014-04-12 00:55 <danbanner> sure
2014-04-12 00:55 <justincc> In case I think of something else to look at
2014-04-12 00:55 <danbanner> np
2014-04-12 00:55 <justincc> though tbh, I'm not familiar enough with code to know what to probe and don't have any more time todya
2014-04-12 00:55 <danbanner> login are disabled
2014-04-12 00:55 <justincc> ok, I'll let you know when I've finished
2014-04-12 00:55 <danbanner> just holler 
2014-04-12 00:55 <danbanner> thanks
2014-04-12 00:56 <justincc> danbanner: how many times have you seen this so far?
2014-04-12 00:57 <danbanner> ive seen it affect like 3 or 4 regions two different occasions now
2014-04-12 00:57 <justincc> so it has occurred on different pairs of regions?
2014-04-12 00:58 <danbanner> after updating from aec723b
2014-04-12 00:58 <justincc> to what commit currently?
2014-04-12 00:58 <danbanner> was definitly in oren's commits immediately following aec
2014-04-12 00:58 <justincc> ok, c725ad1
2014-04-12 00:58 <justincc> well, it can be very hard to tell, it's always possible some other change is the trigger
2014-04-12 00:59 <justincc> but we'll see what orenh comes up with
2014-04-12 00:59 <danbanner> true
2014-04-12 00:59 <danbanner> but it does seem to invovle the parts he touched
2014-04-12 01:01 <danbanner> this one maybe http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commitdiff&p=opensim&h=abe0f4a0882942e211b17408767eca664762e062
2014-04-12 01:01 <osmantis> Bug #7108:04 When Hypergrid is enabled, sometimes a particular same grid teleport fails because it tries to make an HG teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7108 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-12 01:01 <smxy> I'm sure he'll figure it out. He seems pretty sharp.
2014-04-12 01:02 <justincc> he's very sharp
2014-04-12 01:02 <danbanner> ya no doubt
2014-04-12 01:02 <smxy> That was a deliberate understatement. :)
2014-04-12 01:02 <justincc> Okay, as you saw, it's mantis 7108.  Please add anything I've missed
2014-04-12 01:03 <justincc> Good that it's a small range of commits, makes things a lot easier
2014-04-12 01:03 <danbanner> sure
2014-04-12 01:04 <smxy> Shouldn't you mention what the proper gatekeeper it's supposed to talk to should be?
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2014-04-12 01:06 <osmantis> Bug #7108:04 When Hypergrid is enabled, sometimes a particular same grid teleport fails because it tries to make an HG teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7108 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-12 01:06 <osmantis> Bug #7108:04 When Hypergrid is enabled, sometimes a particular same grid teleport fails because it tries to make an HG teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7108 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-12 01:07 <justincc> ok, we both added that one :)
2014-04-12 01:07 <danbanner> hehe
2014-04-12 01:09 <justincc> alright, with that I'm off to rest
2014-04-12 01:09 <justincc> goodnight folks
2014-04-12 01:12 <Misterblue> 
ACTION waves at the puff of dust

2014-04-12 01:12 <osmantis> Bug #7108:04 When Hypergrid is enabled, sometimes a particular same grid teleport fails because it tries to make an HG teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7108 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-12 01:22 <danbanner> wow flashback http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Linux_Gridserver
2014-04-12 01:22 <danbanner> retro page
2014-04-12 01:28 <smxy> I might play around with that MIAB that was released today. Sounds interesting.
2014-04-12 01:42 <LiruCookies> danbanner: That's a kinda nice page if it could be brought inline with modern Opensim
2014-04-12 01:42 <danbanner> hehe ya
2014-04-12 01:43 <BlueWall> UGIM fossils
2014-04-12 04:08 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/ is done again :(
2014-04-12 04:38 <nebadon> I let melanie know djphil
2014-04-12 04:38 <nebadon> I think she just hasnt had time to properly fix the issue yet, hopefully soon
2014-04-12 04:38 <nebadon> we know what it is now
2014-04-12 04:39 <djphil> cool, ty
2014-04-12 04:39 <nebadon> I can probably kick it for now let me try
2014-04-12 04:40 <nebadon> its back djphil
2014-04-12 07:04 <osmantis> Bug #7108:04 When Hypergrid is enabled, sometimes a particular same grid teleport fails because it tries to make an HG teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7108 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-12 08:42 <osmantis> Bug #7107:04 [PATCH] Add "Max Prims per User" setting for Regions / Parcels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7107 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-12 08:42 <osmantis> Bug #7107:04 [PATCH] Add "Max Prims per User" setting for Regions / Parcels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7107 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-04-12 08:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #3483 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-12 08:45 <osmantis> Bug #7107:04 [PATCH] Add "Max Prims per User" setting for Regions / Parcels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7107 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-12 08:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3483: SUCCESS in 3 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3483/
2014-04-12 08:48 <osjenkins> melanie: Add per-user checking to PrimLimitsModule
2014-04-12 10:17 <osmantis> Bug #7108:04 When Hypergrid is enabled, sometimes a particular same grid teleport fails because it tries to make an HG teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7108 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-12 11:24 <osmantis> Bug #7108:04 When Hypergrid is enabled, sometimes a particular same grid teleport fails because it tries to make an HG teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7108 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-12 13:27 <osmantis> Bug #7107:04 [PATCH] Add "Max Prims per User" setting for Regions / Parcels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7107 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2014-04-12 13:51 <osmantis> Bug #7107:04 [PATCH] Add "Max Prims per User" setting for Regions / Parcels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7107 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-12 13:59 <osmantis> Bug #7107:04 [PATCH] Add "Max Prims per User" setting for Regions / Parcels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7107 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-12 14:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #3484 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-12 14:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3484: SUCCESS in 3 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3484/
2014-04-12 14:05 <osjenkins> melanie: Tweak to PrimLimits and add missing Regions.ini example
2014-04-12 16:14 <Plugh> I have a region set to a limit of 40,000 prims in the regions INI file but About Land says 10,000. The region was moved from a different server. Is the prim limit cached somewhere? 
2014-04-12 16:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #3485 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-12 16:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3485: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3485/
2014-04-12 16:19 <osjenkins> melanie: Remove the old XML format parsing. Now additional region params can just be
2014-04-12 16:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #3486 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-12 16:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3486: SUCCESS in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3486/
2014-04-12 16:53 <osjenkins> melanie: Refactor: Rename GetOtherSetting to GetSetting and make SetOtherSetting private
2014-04-12 21:51 <osmantis> Bug #7046:04 [PATCH] Need console commands to create a new estate and change the estate assigned to an existing region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7046 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-12 22:18 <osmantis> Bug #7046:04 [PATCH] Need console commands to create a new estate and change the estate assigned to an existing region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7046 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-12 22:59 <osmantis> Bug #7100:04 Can't TP: Failed to verify user presence in the grid ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7100 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-12 23:03 <osmantis> Bug #7046:04 [PATCH] Need console commands to create a new estate and change the estate assigned to an existing region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7046 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-12 23:07 <osmantis> Bug #7046:04 [PATCH] Need console commands to create a new estate and change the estate assigned to an existing region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7046 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-13 00:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #3487 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-13 00:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3487: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3487/
2014-04-13 00:58 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: reduce the terrain collison margin to be the same as other
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2014-04-13 02:50 <smxy> Misterblue: ping
2014-04-13 02:51 <Misterblue> pong
2014-04-13 02:51 <smxy> There's something not quite right with collisions, that I've been meaning to tell you about for months.
2014-04-13 02:51 <smxy> And I do mean months.
2014-04-13 02:52 <smxy> I have these teleport gates I make. They work when you collide with their root prim.
2014-04-13 02:52 <smxy> Sometimes, the collision is simply never registered. As in, the OwnerSay in the collision event never fires.
2014-04-13 02:53 <smxy> It will happen for all 80+ gates in the region at once and it takes a reboot to fix it.
2014-04-13 02:53 <smxy> It used to happen, for months, every couple of days.
2014-04-13 02:53 <smxy> Then it got better and yesterday I saw it for the first time in ages.
2014-04-13 02:53 <Misterblue> the collisions with the root prim don't happen all the time? or, once it starts failing, it stays failing?
2014-04-13 02:54 <smxy> Once it fails. it stays failed until I restart the region.
2014-04-13 02:55 <smxy> It's been happeneing since I switched to BS last year. So really for months and months. But it was still new then, so I waited. Then earlier this year it got better and stopped happening.
2014-04-13 02:56 <smxy> I figured you fixed whatever it was. Until yesterday.
2014-04-13 02:57 <smxy> I've vacillated between it being something wrong with collisions or state getting corrupted.
2014-04-13 02:58 <Misterblue> there was a problem with collisions that was fixed a while back... let me think
2014-04-13 02:59 <smxy> I just wanted you to know about it, in case you run across something that might be related to it as you work on BS.
2014-04-13 02:59 <smxy> Yes, you fixed a collision issue for me once.
2014-04-13 03:00 <smxy> But that was a regression you introduced and quickly fixed, as I recall.
2014-04-13 03:02 <smxy> It was separate from this.
2014-04-13 03:09 <smxy> I seem to recall that the reason I thought it might be state corruption, was because I used to not make scripts startup fresh on each region start and it didn't fix the issue, but restarting them did, so I always do now.
2014-04-13 03:10 <smxy> It makes the region take longer to come up, but it's worth it.
2014-04-13 03:10 <Misterblue> I'll put that in my bin... I do have collisin things I need to fix (like child prim collisions)
2014-04-13 03:12 <smxy> Thanks. At least it's on your radar now, in case anything looks like it might be related.
2014-04-13 05:20 <osmantis> Bug #7100:04 Can't TP: Failed to verify user presence in the grid ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7100 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-13 05:29 <osmantis> Bug #7100:04 Can't TP: Failed to verify user presence in the grid ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7100 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-13 05:39 <smxy> yay, netsplit's over. :)
2014-04-13 08:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #3488 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-13 09:00 <osmantis> Bug #7108:04 When Hypergrid is enabled, sometimes a particular same grid teleport fails because it tries to make an HG teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7108 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-13 09:00 <osmantis> Bug #7108:04 When Hypergrid is enabled, sometimes a particular same grid teleport fails because it tries to make an HG teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7108 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-13 09:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3488: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3488/
2014-04-13 09:00 <osjenkins> orenh: Better error checking when creating hyperlinks: a) Reject invalid strings; b) Default port is 80, not 0
2014-04-13 10:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #3489 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-13 10:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3489: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3489/
2014-04-13 10:10 <osjenkins> orenh: In teleports, when sending the Source region, set its ServerURI to the Gatekeeper URI (which is used with Regions); not the Home URI (which is used with Users)
2014-04-13 11:19 <osmantis> Bug #7109:04 [BULLETSIM TERRAIN HEIGHTMAP] Bad request for terrain height and SystemAccessViolationException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7109 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2014-04-13 11:43 <ssm2017> hello
2014-04-13 11:45 <ssm2017> on sim side, using mono 2.6.7, i have no issue but using mono > 2.6.7 i have a lot of slow requests on assets (mostly meshes). do you know what has changed in SynchronousRestObjectRequester since this time ?
2014-04-13 11:45 <ssm2017> when cache is filled on sim and client side, the issue dissapears but if i clear the client and the sim caches, when connecting a new client, the slow requests are coming back
2014-04-13 13:29 <osmantis> Bug #6656:04 Uniformity of handling local and hypergrid teleportable links in Chat/IM and incorrect FROM grid addresses on HG TP 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6656 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-13 13:39 <osmantis> Bug #7093:04 Bulletsim: Wrong stand position. Standing on a prim floor, anything on shoes below bare feet are inside the floor. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7093 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-13 16:22 <Sked> Hi guys
2014-04-13 16:23 <Sked> yeee party: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jlI4uzZGjU
2014-04-13 17:03 <frnic> I am working on cleaning up the OpenSimDefaults.ini file - form factor and verifying contents (defaults) match the code base. I was wondering why there are so many settings in the OpenSimDefaults.ini file that are not in the OpenSim.ini.example??
2014-04-13 17:06 <danbanner> probably because 90% of those settings are normally dont need to be screwed with
2014-04-13 17:09 <frnic> I wonder how many people don't even know that the OpenSimDefaults.ini exists, and if they did would make some changes based on thier needs.??
2014-04-13 17:11 <danbanner> opensimdefaults.ini is not intended to ever be edited
2014-04-13 17:12 <danbanner> the settings inside it can be brought to opensim.ini and changed there
2014-04-13 17:12 <danbanner> and in general most defaults that would ever need to be changed are already in opensim.ini
2014-04-13 17:13 <Sked> can anyone please help me with this : http://pastebin.com/8YxEC72A
2014-04-13 17:14 <frnic> I understand it is not intended to be edited. I am not sure why there is an assumption as to which settings may or may not be useful to someone. In fact I believe the OSGrid OpenSim.ini example contains some settings from the defaults that are not in the OpenSim.ini.example
2014-04-13 17:16 <Sked> i want to get $group_name out
2014-04-13 17:17 <Sked> but problem is that both db tables have the same GroupID in
2014-04-13 17:24 <Plugh> Sked: You have an extra . before b.GroupID on the INNER JOIN line.
2014-04-13 17:25 <Plugh> Sked: You also have not told it from which table you want PrincipalID. Not sure if that matters.
2014-04-13 17:25 <Sked> o i see
2014-04-13 17:26 <Sked> sure it is matter wich db is from PrincipalID
2014-04-13 17:26 <frnic> ping melanie_ in working on the OpenSimDefaults.ini: Itr appears that the code does not set the default asyncCallMethod (OpenSim.cs Line114). It appears to use the OpenSimDefaults.ini setting or defaults to "none". I am not a C# programmer, so I may be misinterpreting the generic code in ENumTryParse... Based on your comment that the code sets all values to defaults, I wanted to check with...
2014-04-13 17:27 <frnic> ...you on this.
2014-04-13 17:27 <Sked> dont WHERE ".C_GROUPSMEMBER_TBL." PrincipalID='$_SESSION[USERID]' "); show this
2014-04-13 17:27 <Sked> i i think i got now
2014-04-13 17:29 <Plugh> PHP is likely to also give you a warning about your not having put quotes around "USERID" where you used it in the $_SESSION[].
2014-04-13 17:30 <Sked> hm
2014-04-13 17:30 <Sked> yes somthink like that
2014-04-13 17:30 <Sked> so i must add one more line
2014-04-13 17:30 <Sked> if i understund right
2014-04-13 17:31 <Plugh> I don't see why. $_SESSION[USERID] -> $_SESSION['USERID']
2014-04-13 17:31 <Plugh> Or use "USERID" in there taking in to account the other quote marks around that part of the string you are building.
2014-04-13 17:32 <Sked> because in each db have GroupID 
2014-04-13 17:35 <Sked> is this example good: http://www.w3schools.com/sql/sql_join_inner.asp
2014-04-13 17:36 <Plugh> hm... just realized you are selectin GroupID from the two tables but the join condition says that you are matching the two GroupID fields so there is no point in selecting both GroupID fields
2014-04-13 17:36 <Sked> o i see
2014-04-13 17:38 <Plugh> It looks ok. They are using the table names in the query instead of making an alias for the tables and using the alias.
2014-04-13 17:39 <Sked> hm but still dont work
2014-04-13 17:40 <Plugh> You get a SQL syntax error or you don't get the results you want?
2014-04-13 17:40 <Sked> sql error
2014-04-13 17:41 <Plugh> Paste your updated version of that query.
2014-04-13 17:41 <Plugh> or pastbin it that is.
2014-04-13 17:42 <Sked> http://pastebin.com/16gvNhFW  <---- error
2014-04-13 17:42 <Sked> http://pastebin.com/8YxEC72A  <------ code
2014-04-13 17:44 <Plugh> You forgot the . between os_groups_membership and PrincipalID?
2014-04-13 17:44 <Sked> oh again
2014-04-13 17:44 <Sked> sorry
2014-04-13 17:46 <Sked> again i get error for this table "Name"
2014-04-13 17:46 <Sked> there is problem i think
2014-04-13 17:47 <Sked> i must select this name of group and dont know where to put it
2014-04-13 17:55 <Sked> SELECT GroupID FROM 1stDB and from GroupID on 2ndDB select group name
2014-04-13 17:55 <Sked> somethink like that must this work
2014-04-13 17:57 <Dev_Random> sked: I think you want something like :    SELECT a.GroupID, b.`Name` FROM os_groups_membership a INNER JOIN os_groups_groups b ON (b.GroupID=a.GroupID) WHERE...
2014-04-13 17:57 <Sked> let me try
2014-04-13 18:03 <Sked> work but without last part
2014-04-13 18:04 <Dev_Random> not sure what you mean
2014-04-13 18:04 <Sked> ".C_GROUPSMEMBER_TBL." PrincipalID='$_SESSION[USERID]'
2014-04-13 18:04 <Sked> WHERE ".C_GROUPSMEMBER_TBL." PrincipalID='$_SESSION[USERID]'
2014-04-13 18:04 <Dev_Random> get rid of the space in      " PrincipalID
2014-04-13 18:04 <Dev_Random> and put a "." there
2014-04-13 18:05 <Dev_Random> like Plugh said
2014-04-13 18:05 <Sked> o right
2014-04-13 18:05 <Sked> sorry
2014-04-13 18:07 <Sked> WHERE ".C_GROUPSMEMBER_TBL." PrincipalID='$_SESSION[USERID]'
2014-04-13 18:07 <Sked> or WHERE ".C_GROUPSMEMBER_TBL."PrincipalID='$_SESSION[USERID]'
2014-04-13 18:08 <Dev_Random> WHERE ".C_GROUPSMEMBER_TBL.".PrincipalID='$_SESSION[USERID]'
2014-04-13 18:08 <Sked> nope
2014-04-13 18:08 <Sked> everythink i try
2014-04-13 18:08 <Sked> MySQL error: 1054 (Unknown column 'os_groups_membership.PrincipalID' in 'where clause') Session halted.
2014-04-13 18:09 <Dev_Random> ah.. k.. assumed columns were right.. lemme look at the tables
2014-04-13 18:09 <Sked> ok
2014-04-13 18:10 <Plugh> PrincipalID should be AgentID
2014-04-13 18:10 <Plugh> if you are selecting the UUID of a user.
2014-04-13 18:11 <Sked> i have PrincipalID in groups_membership db
2014-04-13 18:11 <Plugh> Sked: Are you using core groups?
2014-04-13 18:11 <Sked> new one
2014-04-13 18:11 <Sked> V2 i think
2014-04-13 18:12 <Plugh> I will take that to mean the built-in (or core) groups which is rather new.
2014-04-13 18:12 <Sked> Groups V2
2014-04-13 18:12 <Sked> o i see
2014-04-13 18:12 <Plugh> ok. I don't have core groups on my machine so I can't easily check the table structure.
2014-04-13 18:12 <Sked> ok
2014-04-13 18:12 <Dev_Random> table has been aliased to "a".... can't refer to it by it's real name any more.... 
2014-04-13 18:13 <Plugh> Right. Always use the alias or use the table names. Not both.
2014-04-13 18:13 <Dev_Random> need to change end of query to be "WHERE a.PrincipalID=..... "
2014-04-13 18:13 <Sked> ok
2014-04-13 18:14 <Sked> yupi yje
2014-04-13 18:14 <Sked> tnx guys
2014-04-13 18:14 <Dev_Random> high-fives all around
2014-04-13 18:14 <Sked> hehe
2014-04-13 18:14 <Plugh> One example of joins at w3school site showed a simple way to do the query where they didn't even do a specific JOIN.
2014-04-13 18:14 <Sked> thank you so much
2014-04-13 18:14 <Plugh> :)
2014-04-13 18:15 <Sked> you know i learn so much from all this
2014-04-13 18:15 <Sked> thank you
2014-04-13 18:16 <Dev_Random> back to picking up last fall's crap now that the snow's gone....
2014-04-13 18:17 <Plugh> http://www.tutorialspoint.com/sql/sql-using-joins.htm looks simple way to select data from multiple tables at same time.
2014-04-13 18:17 <Sked> hehe
2014-04-13 18:17 <Sked> tnx
2014-04-13 18:17 <Plugh> Dev_Random: yea, an annual thing. 
2014-04-13 18:18 <Plugh> 
ACTION goes back to making sure his vendor scripts are the same version in multiple places.

2014-04-13 18:27 <osmantis> Bug #7100:04 Can't TP: Failed to verify user presence in the grid ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7100 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-13 19:00 <osmantis> Bug #7100:04 Can't TP: Failed to verify user presence in the grid ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7100 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-13 19:10 <osmantis> Bug #7100:04 Can't TP: Failed to verify user presence in the grid ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7100 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-13 19:16 <Plugh> I still find it impossible to receive any data from an llHTTPRequest() in 076PF. :P
2014-04-13 19:21 <Plugh> The request makes it to the webserver as I have the PHP code saving to a file the parameters received in the POST and what will be returned.
2014-04-13 19:27 <Plugh> My scripts worked just fine in 0.6.9 but I can't get them to work again in 076PF for inbound data.
2014-04-13 23:46 <osmantis> Bug #7036:04 Teleports between regions in a mega-region do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7036 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-14 00:40 <osmantis> Bug #7100:04 Can't TP: Failed to verify user presence in the grid ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7100 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-04-14 05:13 <osmantis> Bug #7036:04 Teleports between regions in a mega-region do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7036 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-14 05:49 <osmantis> Bug #7036:04 Teleports between regions in a mega-region do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7036 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-14 14:18 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar on login on OSGrid add-on regions - with difference in handling an attachment with unknown user creator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-14 14:29 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar on login on OSGrid add-on regions - with difference in handling an attachment with unknown user creator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-14 16:29 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar on login on OSGrid add-on regions - with difference in handling an attachment with unknown user creator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-14 16:47 <Sked> Hi guys
2014-04-14 16:52 <osmantis> Bug #7111:04 Fixed Estate Time does not show in viewer until World -> Region Details menu entered. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7111 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-14 17:09 <osmantis> Bug #7111:04 Fixed Estate Time does not show in viewer until World -> Region Details menu entered. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7111 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-14 17:31 <LiruCookies> danbanner: Can you repro in Singu?
2014-04-14 17:32 <danbanner> maybe if i installed it
2014-04-14 17:32 <danbanner> i havent tried in singularity
2014-04-14 17:33 <LiruCookies> I wonder if it is a lack of certain code by a merge fail.
2014-04-14 17:45 <Sked> can anyone tell me where can i find UserFlags numbers for db
2014-04-14 17:51 <velus> hey all who is about atm?
2014-04-14 17:56 <LiruCookies> mew
2014-04-14 17:57 <velus> hey LiruCookies you know this openssl heartbleed is the opensim server vanrable to it?
2014-04-14 18:01 <Ken_S> velus, opensim doesnt use HTTPS, so its still as unsecure as ever lol
2014-04-14 18:01 <velus> you can get it to use https if you wanted
2014-04-14 18:03 <BlueWall> If you update your platform openssl and generate new keys, I think you should be ok.
2014-04-14 18:05 <velus> yeah i dont have it on https atm and i dont have the keys set yet so that wouldnt be much a problem atm but with some os its hard to update just the openssl  and wondered about the security of it
2014-04-14 18:22 <velus> BlueWall, do you know much about ssl certs and that?
2014-04-14 18:40 <BlueWall> not an expert, but here are the instructions for using them in OpenSim: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fopensim-users.2152040.n2.nabble.com%2FUsing-ssl-in-OpenSim-td6336270.html&ei=YCtMU83bOqOs2gW2noCQCw&usg=AFQjCNEGHgSGBpuHjeeN8VZzXpYj8komFg&sig2=CsJdd2UiAu-kh5g9MBsvjw&bvm=bv.64542518,d.b2I
2014-04-14 18:41 <velus> i was thinking more along the lines of when i have multiple servers how would i have it set up? would i have to have each server with a subdomain or would i be able to get ssl certs on ips?
2014-04-14 18:42 <BlueWall> I'm not sure if the mono utility for generating the keys uses the system openssl, or if it is self-contained.
2014-04-14 18:42 <velus> ok
2014-04-14 18:42 <velus> ill find out
2014-04-14 18:54 <Plugh> Why would a region report "No grid user found for <someUUID>" many times with different UUID strings for a region that only has two people in it and one that isn't adjacent to any other regions?
2014-04-14 18:57 <vegaslon> is there a limit in opensim of how many lines a script can be?
2014-04-14 19:00 <Plugh> vegaslon: Not sure. SL has a memory limit. Don't think that applies in OS. I've got scripts that are about 3,000 lines long and they work fine. They are too big for use in SL.
2014-04-14 19:02 <vegaslon> I have a script from secondlife that will not upload in both osgrid and on a standalone
2014-04-14 19:02 <vegaslon> has no error the veiwer just says it can not upload and to try again later
2014-04-14 19:03 <Plugh> Any script from SL should load in OS. Whether it works or has syntax errors is a different issue.
2014-04-14 19:03 <Plugh> vegaslon: Possible network issue or something at the other end? You could try a relog before trying another upload.
2014-04-14 19:04 <vegaslon> I tried relog, clearing cache, copy script to new object, copy script to new script etc
2014-04-14 19:05 <Plugh> how many lines in the script?
2014-04-14 19:06 <vegaslon> 1006
2014-04-14 19:06 <Plugh> that's "small"
2014-04-14 19:07 <Plugh> Are you able to paste a few lines in to a new script or does it reject uploading even a few lines?
2014-04-14 19:08 <Plugh> Seems as if there might be network issues in the net today. I have someone who can't get their avatar to rez no matter what they do but I can see them as other than gas cloud.
2014-04-14 19:08 <vegaslon> would not think the network problems would effect a standalone on the same computer
2014-04-14 19:11 <Plugh> um... no.
2014-04-14 19:11 <Plugh> Is this a new setup?
2014-04-14 19:13 <vegaslon> standalone has been around for a few months
2014-04-14 19:16 <Plugh> ok
2014-04-14 19:17 <vegaslon> hmm apears it will save as long as I do not have one function in the script
2014-04-14 19:17 <Plugh> Interesting. 
2014-04-14 19:19 <AllenKerensky> vegaslon check that function for a name that shadows an opensim constant
2014-04-14 19:19 <vegaslon> what gets even weirder is all the function does is set global settings
2014-04-14 19:20 <AllenKerensky> sometimes syntax highlighting can help find of those, but not all viewers highlight all opensim-specific constants - I ran into one of these recently
2014-04-14 19:20 <BlueWall> does it use one variable to set another?
2014-04-14 19:20 <vegaslon> nope using only floats
2014-04-14 19:21 <Plugh> BlueWall: That wouldn't explain inability to upload a script.
2014-04-14 19:25 <osmantis> Bug #7106:04 Avatar feets follow terrain instead of the object its walking on. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7106 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-14 19:25 <osmantis> Bug #7105:04 Avatar Capsule Issue - Ankles bent upwards or sideways 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7105 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-14 19:31 <vegaslon> found the problem. There was one non standard character in variable name
2014-04-14 19:33 <Plugh> Ah. I was starting to wonder if it could have been something like that.
2014-04-14 19:33 <Plugh> Hm... was the viewer complaining or the OS side of things complaining?
2014-04-14 19:34 <vegaslon> looks like the veiwer complained but it did not really know what the problem was
2014-04-14 19:36 <Plugh> ok. I was just thinking it might be worth filing a bug report against the end that was reporting the error.
2014-04-14 19:37 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar on login on OSGrid add-on regions - with difference in handling an attachment with unknown user creator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-14 19:39 <vegaslon> hmm maybe it is a opensim problem since the character is in the script in sl
2014-04-14 19:40 <vegaslon> sl must ignore stuff like that
2014-04-14 19:42 <vegaslon> variable is not created with that character in it was only when the variable was being set that one time
2014-04-14 21:29 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar on login on OSGrid add-on regions - with difference in handling an attachment with unknown user creator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-04-15 12:17 <nebadon> Misterblue : ping
2014-04-15 13:19 <Misterblue> nebadon: pong
2014-04-15 13:40 <osmantis> Bug #7112:04 Exception Update requires a valid DeleteCommand when passed DataRow collection with deleted rows 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7112 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-15 15:59 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar on login on OSGrid add-on regions - with difference in handling an attachment with unknown user creator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-15 16:36 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar on login on OSGrid add-on regions - with difference in handling an attachment with unknown user creator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-15 17:51 <osmantis> Bug #7113:04 llGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7113 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-15 17:57 <Sked> Hi guys
2014-04-15 18:16 <osmantis> Bug #7104:04 error after loading oar to empty database, "unanble to rezz because the parcel is to full" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7104 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-15 19:52 <velus> hey all who is about
2014-04-15 19:54 <velus> BlueWall, are you about atm
2014-04-15 19:54 <velus> ?
2014-04-15 19:54 <Ken_S> Hi Velus, how have you been?
2014-04-15 19:54 <velus> ok i guess in and out of hospital 
2014-04-15 19:54 <Plugh> Hey, velus
2014-04-15 19:55 <velus> hey Plugh 
2014-04-15 19:55 <Plugh> Hope you are spending more time out than in.
2014-04-15 19:55 <Ken_S> Oh, sorry to hear. Are you OK?
2014-04-15 19:55 <velus> ok if i was setting up a grid and wanted to have it so you can alicate more memory and such to one instance can that be done?
2014-04-15 19:56 <velus> or would it have to be written into the c# some how
2014-04-15 19:57 <velus> and atm Plugh not really i have been out 5 days after being in 3 weeks and now looks like im going in again for more weeks and more surgery, but im getting better i know
2014-04-15 19:57 <Ken_S> Velus, I think adding more memory would be the easiest solution.
2014-04-15 19:58 <velus> yeah but i will soon be getting a system with over 256gb of ram and will not need to add more memory but if i want to limit regions to amounts of memory and such could that be done?
2014-04-15 19:58 <Ken_S> The instances only use as much memory as they need to given what all is running, so
2014-04-15 19:58 <velus> ok 
2014-04-15 19:59 <Ken_S> Limiting the prims and scripts on the sims you don't want to use more memory is what I do.
2014-04-15 19:59 <velus> thats good then so it wont crash out if its using too much memory
2014-04-15 19:59 <Ken_S> Not if you are using the 64 bit opensim.exe
2014-04-15 19:59 <velus> yeah it would be a 64bit one lol i dont do anceint systems lol
2014-04-15 19:59 <velus> and the server will be the dogs bollocks of systems
2014-04-15 20:00 <Ken_S> On Windows, I can limit memoory use of some less populated sims by using the 32 bit launcher.
2014-04-15 20:00 <Ken_S> The 32 bit launcher uses less memeory, but it does have a memory limit
2014-04-15 20:01 <velus> yeah ill be using linux i think now and well wouldnt the 32bit crash when it reaches a level of limits?
2014-04-15 20:01 <Ken_S> Yes it will
2014-04-15 20:01 <velus> so 64 is a lot better
2014-04-15 20:02 <Ken_S> The 64 consumes what it needs until you run out of physical memory.
2014-04-15 20:02 <Ken_S> Yes
2014-04-15 20:02 <velus> kk
2014-04-15 22:26 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar on login on OSGrid add-on regions - with difference in handling an attachment with unknown user creator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-15 23:50 <smxy> Is there a way to send an alert to my entire grid? All users in all regions?
2014-04-15 23:51 <velus> yes one sec ill find the bit nowe
2014-04-15 23:52 <velus> You can send grid-wide alert by typing "alert <message>" in "root" console.
2014-04-15 23:53 <smxy> Root? This is a ROBUST grid, nt a standalone.
2014-04-15 23:53 <smxy> not* a standalone
2014-04-15 23:53 <velus> think so yes
2014-04-15 23:55 <osmantis> Bug #6778:04 Profile service spitting out an error for some HG visitors. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6778 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-15 23:59 <Ken_S> Would be nice if there was an alert command in Robust to send to whole grid.
2014-04-16 00:00 <smxy> That only seems to send to the regions in that simulator. I need to send to my entire grid.
2014-04-16 00:00 <velus> there is one
2014-04-16 00:00 <Ken_S> I only find the alert command in the opensim console, not in Robust
2014-04-16 00:00 <smxy> There is one in region simullators, yes, but that is not grid-wide.
2014-04-16 00:01 <smxy> right Ken_S
2014-04-16 00:01 <velus> i know there is a grid wide one
2014-04-16 00:01 <Ken_S> Only notices Ive seen that appear almost grid wide are sent through group alerts
2014-04-16 00:02 <smxy> I need to be able to send something like "Grid going down in 10 minutes for maintenance!" to every user in the grid, in every region, with one command.
2014-04-16 00:02 <Ken_S> smxy, yes that would be nice
2014-04-16 00:05 <smxy> And that would be every local and foreign user in the grid.
2014-04-16 00:06 <Ken_S> Ive gone through all the Robust help and find nothing that can do this.
2014-04-16 00:07 <smxy> ROBUST knows what regions are online. It seems like it ought to be able to send an alert to each of them.
2014-04-16 00:13 <LiruCookies> You can't send globals yet?!
2014-04-16 00:13 <velus> im sure you can i have before im trying to rember how
2014-04-16 00:13 <velus> smxy, did you try sending it from the robust console
2014-04-16 00:15 <zadark> Maybe that is a no no for grids, as each region can be independantly managed?
2014-04-16 00:15 <zadark> independently 
2014-04-16 00:15 <Ken_S> alert command does not exist in Robust
2014-04-16 00:16 <Ken_S> Yes, but if the entire grid is going down for maint. then it would be nice to let everyone know.
2014-04-16 00:16 <velus> ok ill look into that and see if i can get my friend to work on that module too or intergrate it into the whole system its self
2014-04-16 00:21 <H-H-H> i used to do it with bash scripts sending commands via screen to the region servers pia to do it that way though
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2014-04-16 00:26 <smxy> hahahaha. That's exactly what I just set up, then came back here and read that, H-H-H :)
2014-04-16 00:28 <H-H-H> :)
2014-04-16 00:32 <smxy> "stuff" is a useful screen command. :)
2014-04-16 00:38 <smxy> Is there any way to get a list of all users who are online?
2014-04-16 00:38 <smxy> I know how to get the number, but not the names.
2014-04-16 00:38 <velus> smxy, you using php for you website or do you have php on your system
2014-04-16 00:39 <smxy> I use Wifi for the website, but I also have PHP, for use by the search module.
2014-04-16 00:40 <velus> ok i will be soon creating a php module to be able to show who is onlie and sucg
2014-04-16 00:40 <smxy> But I'm not looking for a solution that's external. I'm trying to eliminate the need for a webserver, not give it more to do. :)
2014-04-16 00:40 <velus> well im creatign a whole php site for the system atm im  working on front end and for the user to use but i will soon be starting on the admin section 
2014-04-16 00:41 <smxy> Hmm. I wonder if Wifi can tell me ...
2014-04-16 00:42 <velus> think it can only tell you how many
2014-04-16 00:42 <velus> but you could check with the db its self and then cross ref each uuid with the username lol
2014-04-16 00:43 <smxy> Maybe Wifi could be extended to tell me.
2014-04-16 00:44 <velus> yeah maybe but i havent looked at that
2014-04-16 00:44 <velus> im more a php styler not a what ever wifi is in lol
2014-04-16 00:45 <velus> but smexy i guess i could nock up a simple php script for you that will list all the users online quickly and easy
2014-04-16 00:46 <smxy> I could do that. But as I said, I'm not looking for an external solution.
2014-04-16 00:46 <smxy> If I can avoid it.
2014-04-16 00:47 <velus> but if you needed a quick fix i could but if you can its ok just whith php try and use pdo for it
2014-04-16 00:48 <velus> i might soon go back to creating the site completely but i will need a simple server on my system and i dont have much ram on my develop machine im waiting for my other machines to come back from somewhere
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2014-04-16 05:12 <nebadon2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NpbqRmqKlDw
2014-04-16 07:56 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar on login on OSGrid add-on regions - with difference in handling an attachment with unknown user creator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-16 08:06 <Guest75854> Hi, I have a problem, no login Osgrid >.<
2014-04-16 08:07 <Guest75854> http://gyazo.com/c7072251c38278c1c9b1aa3216d8bf0e
2014-04-16 08:07 <Guest75854> this problem
2014-04-16 08:07 <Guest75854> Can anyone help me?
2014-04-16 08:08 <Guest75854> region no matter where I try to enter always appears the same message
2014-04-16 08:10 <Guest75854> hi?? U,U.. pleasee
2014-04-16 08:12 <zadark> OSGrid login ok for me. 
2014-04-16 08:13 <Guest75854> and that may be what happens to me?
2014-04-16 08:15 <zadark> For more help you have to wait for OSGrid admin
2014-04-16 08:15 <Guest75854> I try to enter from Firestorm, can that be?
2014-04-16 08:16 <zadark> I use Firestorm, and OSGrid ok
2014-04-16 08:17 <Guest75854> U.U ok ok ainsss
2014-04-16 08:17 <zadark> Try IRC channel #osgrid
2014-04-16 08:18 <Guest75854> okis
2014-04-16 08:18 <Guest75854> thank
2014-04-16 08:18 <zadark> yvw
2014-04-16 08:21 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar on login on OSGrid add-on regions - with difference in handling an attachment with unknown user creator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007054.
2014-04-16 08:21 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007110.
2014-04-16 08:25 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar on login on OSGrid add-on regions - with difference in handling an attachment with unknown user creator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-16 08:26 <Guest75854> ??
2014-04-16 08:41 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-16 09:35 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar on login on OSGrid add-on regions - with difference in handling an attachment with unknown user creator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-16 10:00 <osmantis> Bug #5525:04 Buying Parcels is Broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5525 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-16 10:01 <osmantis> Bug #5147:04 Sending Group Notice crashes Region Server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5147 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-16 10:02 <osmantis> Bug #5777:04 Race conditions during login causing "Array index is out of range" errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5777 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-16 10:02 <osmantis> Bug #6548:04 Very High Memory Consumption 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6548 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-16 11:12 <osmantis> Bug #7111:04 Fixed Estate Time does not show in viewer until World -> Region Details menu entered. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7111 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-16 12:21 <osmantis> Bug #7111:04 Fixed Estate Time does not show in viewer until World -> Region Details menu entered. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7111 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-04-16 17:52 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar on login on OSGrid add-on regions - with difference in handling an attachment with unknown user creator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-16 19:25 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-16 19:30 <osmantis> Bug #7114:04 Avatars who are online show as "offline" in red on their profile on OSGrid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7114 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-16 19:31 <osmantis> Bug #7104:04 Error after loading oar to empty database, "unable to rezz because the parcel is to full" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7104 ): has been UPDATED.
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2014-04-16 20:32 <osmantis> Bug #7114:04 Avatars who are online show as "offline" in red on their profile on OSGrid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7114 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-04-16 23:02 <osmantis> Bug #5909:04 Opensim.exe crashes on 64bit system 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5909 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2014-04-17 04:11 <linkedinyou> https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20140407.txt
2014-04-17 08:20 <osmantis> Bug #7115:04 Unknown UserUMMTGUN9 shows for owner of group owned land parcel 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7115 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-17 08:26 <osmantis> Bug #7115:04 Unknown UserUMMTGUN9 shows for owner of group owned land parcel 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7115 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-17 08:26 <osmantis> Bug #7115:04 Unknown UserUMMTGUN9 shows for owner of group owned land parcel in OpenSim.exe console for "land show" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7115 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-17 12:49 <JoeRadik> # Error while compiling generated serializer (0,0) : error CS8026: Invalid sdk version name
2014-04-17 12:50 <JoeRadik> ^^^^^ received while generating an oar
2014-04-17 12:50 <JoeRadik> Anybody have any idea what it might indicate?
2014-04-17 12:53 <antont> .net version prob perhaps? just a guess
2014-04-17 12:54 <antont> or some missing lib, i don't think serialization uses any special lib though
2014-04-17 12:54 <antont> i'd google
2014-04-17 12:55 <JoeRadik> Second run of save oar without error
2014-04-17 13:19 <osmantis> Bug #7116:04 Land Edit Join/ Subdivide not updating 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7116 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-17 14:37 <linkedinyou> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR5Blw1orZ8
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2014-04-17 16:47 <Stefan_Boom> happy eastern to all and a lazy question because i am too lazy to dig into the source code: do i have to remove as script e.g.  part.Inventory.RemoveScriptInstance(itemid,false); from instance before deleting it e.g.	part.Inventory.RemoveInventoryItem(itemid); to make sure to stop its execution?
2014-04-17 16:55 <Stefan_Boom> for the record :-) nope .. you dont have to call RemoveScriptInstance() before RemoveInventoryItem()
2014-04-17 17:23 <osmantis> Bug #7117:04 llSetKeyframedMotion does not allow velocities below 1 meter per second 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7117 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-17 19:10 <Plugh> I'm almost finished the documentation for a project. One of the next things I want to do is dig in to why I can not retrieve data from an external data in OpenSim 076PF. I used to be able to do it back in 0.6.9 days.
2014-04-17 20:59 <osmantis> Bug #7118:04 sending keystrokes or other simple messages to server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7118 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-17 22:02 <osmantis> Bug #7118:04 sending keystrokes or other simple messages to server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7118 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-17 22:42 <osmantis> Bug #7118:04 sending keystrokes or other simple messages to server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7118 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-17 22:43 <osmantis> Bug #7118:04 sending keystrokes or other simple messages to server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7118 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-18 03:07 <smxy> The opensimulator.org server is down again.
2014-04-18 07:17 <antont> seenms to be the case still 06:07 < smxy> The opensimulator.org server is down again.
2014-04-18 08:04 <nebadon_laptop> fixed antont and smxy
2014-04-18 08:04 <nebadon_laptop> we are still looking for a proper fix
2014-04-18 09:20 <osmantis> Bug #7118:04 sending keystrokes or other simple messages to server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7118 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-18 15:03 <Aleric> Excuse me?
2014-04-18 15:04 <Aleric>         float f = 13.45E80;
2014-04-18 15:04 <Aleric>         llSay(0, "f = " + (string)f);
2014-04-18 15:04 <Aleric> [08:03:43]  Primitive: f = 1345000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.000000
2014-04-18 15:04 <Aleric> That is not like it works in SL.
2014-04-18 15:04 <Aleric> Not to mentions is rather stupid :p
2014-04-18 15:04 <Aleric> it* is
2014-04-18 15:09 <Aleric> Ugh
2014-04-18 15:09 <Aleric> Apparently it is how it works in SL :/
2014-04-18 15:09 <Aleric> Well, SL does: Object: f = Infinity
2014-04-18 15:10 <Aleric> but, for smaller exponents it just prints zeroes - wtf.
2014-04-18 15:13 <LiruCookies> LSL is that intelligent? I learned something today
2014-04-18 15:13 <Aleric> This doesn't work in opensim though:
2014-04-18 15:13 <Aleric>         float f = (float)"0xE04561p-10";
2014-04-18 15:13 <Aleric>         llSay(0, "f = " + (string)f);
2014-04-18 15:13 <Aleric> [08:12:36]  Object: f = 14353.340000
2014-04-18 15:16 <Aleric> opensim prints:  Primitive: f = 0.000000
2014-04-18 15:26 <Aleric> Ok, I need this fixed :/
2014-04-18 15:26 <Aleric> Where is the code that casts strings to float?
2014-04-18 15:38 <Aleric> LSL_Types.cs I guess... public LSLFloat(string s)
2014-04-18 15:49 <Plugh> There is either a library function or it is a method of the string type. I'm not in to C# enough to know which way its done off the top of my head. 
2014-04-18 15:49 <Plugh> Aleric: What is the problem?
2014-04-18 15:52 <Aleric> plugh:
2014-04-18 15:52 <Aleric> <Aleric>         float f = (float)"0xE04561p-10";
2014-04-18 15:52 <Aleric> <Aleric>         llSay(0, "f = " + (string)f);
2014-04-18 15:52 <Aleric> <Aleric> [08:12:36]  Object: f = 14353.340000
2014-04-18 15:52 <Aleric> <Aleric> opensim prints:  Primitive: f = 0.000000
2014-04-18 15:53 <Plugh> You are trying to do that in an LSL script? That doesn't even look like a valid value in scientific notation. 
2014-04-18 15:53 <Plugh> A hex string ending in "p-10"?
2014-04-18 15:54 <Aleric> It is hexadecimal floating point notation and supported by LSL
2014-04-18 15:54 <Aleric> in SL anyway :p
2014-04-18 15:55 <Plugh> um... ok. I'd be interested to see where that is documented.
2014-04-18 15:55 <Aleric> I found it here: http://lslwiki.net/lslwiki/wakka.php?wakka=LibraryFloat2Hex
2014-04-18 15:55 <Plugh> I don't know why you would want to use that format. Not sure if that would be considered a bug or an unsupported feature.
2014-04-18 15:56 <Aleric> That is not official of course,.. but it's (widely?) used. It's just a fact that SL supports this notation.
2014-04-18 15:56 <Plugh> hehe... "Try it". You did and it failed.
2014-04-18 15:56 <Aleric> ??
2014-04-18 15:56 <Aleric> No it does not fail
2014-04-18 15:56 <Plugh> The end of the top line of the wiki page.
2014-04-18 15:56 <Aleric> Yes I read that.
2014-04-18 15:56 <Plugh> You said you got 0.
2014-04-18 15:56 <Aleric> It works in SL
2014-04-18 15:57 <Aleric> This is _needed_ to lossless serialized floating point values (and this vectors and rotations), and thus communicate them to other prims (link message) and/or write them to a database etc.
2014-04-18 15:58 <Aleric> There is no reason not to make opensim work too for that function.
2014-04-18 15:59 <Plugh> hm... C99 hex floats
2014-04-18 15:59 <Plugh> 
ACTION looks that up

2014-04-18 15:59 <Plugh> Sounds like a C thing to me. Let's see if it is supported in C#.
2014-04-18 16:00 <Aleric> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Float2Hex
2014-04-18 16:00 <Aleric> <quote>LSL (float) typecast supports C99 hex floats. This is good because with hex you can store floats without the need for a special decoder (just use (float)) and since hex is a power of 2 format, floats can be stored without any loss or rounding errors.
2014-04-18 16:03 <Plugh> A couple of relevant(?) pages are: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dwhawy9k(v=vs.110).aspx and http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb311038.aspx
2014-04-18 16:04 <Aleric> Since the hexadecimal notation is required to contain the p and P - and the leading 0x of course, the regular expression currently used in public LSLFloat(string s) will never match. Hence, this support can be added almost without loss of cpu cycles:
2014-04-18 16:05 <Aleric>                 if (v == String.Empty || v == null)
2014-04-18 16:05 <Aleric>                     v = "0.0";
2014-04-18 16:05 <Aleric> becomes something like:
2014-04-18 16:06 <Aleric>                 if (v == String.Empty || v == null)
2014-04-18 16:06 <Aleric>                 { 
2014-04-18 16:06 <Aleric>                     if (!v.Contains("x"))
2014-04-18 16:06 <Aleric>                     { 
2014-04-18 16:06 <Aleric>                       v = "0.0";
2014-04-18 16:06 <Aleric>                     } 
2014-04-18 16:06 <Aleric>                     else
2014-04-18 16:06 <Aleric>                     { 
2014-04-18 16:06 <Aleric>                       // extra work for hexadecimal notation.
2014-04-18 16:06 <Aleric>  
2014-04-18 16:07 <Aleric> Or, of course you could extend the regular expression to include hexadecimal notations - and then later test on 'x', but that would be slightly slower imho.
2014-04-18 16:08 <Aleric> Not much though (if at all) because detecting that a string does not start with 0x is almost instantly.
2014-04-18 16:09 <Aleric> Err, not v .. you'd have to test s.
2014-04-18 16:10 <Plugh> Right. Where is that function located?
2014-04-18 16:10 <Aleric> OpenSim/Region/ScriptEngine/Shared/LSL_Types.cs
2014-04-18 16:11 <Aleric> Not sure if C# supports this natively - otherwise you can easily write a custom parser. 
2014-04-18 16:12 <Aleric> I think you should trim s - and then reduce the regular expression, by the way.
2014-04-18 16:13 <Aleric>                 string st = s.Trim();
2014-04-18 16:13 <Aleric>                 Regex r = new Regex("^(\\+|-)?([0-9]+\\.?[0-9]*|\\.[0-9]+)([eE](\\+|-)?[0-9]+)?");
2014-04-18 16:13 <Aleric>                 Match m = r.Match(st);
2014-04-18 16:14 <Aleric> And then remove the v = v.Trim();
2014-04-18 16:15 <lkalif> Match m = r.Match(s.Trim());
2014-04-18 16:16 <Plugh> It would make sense to trim first.
2014-04-18 16:17 <Plugh> That regex will get more complicated to recognize the 0x format strings.
2014-04-18 16:20 <Aleric> lkalif: Do you know if C# natively supports this conversion (ie, from "0x1.fp3" to  15.5) ?
2014-04-18 16:20 <Plugh> One change is [eE] to [eEpP] in the regex
2014-04-18 16:20 <Aleric> nooo
2014-04-18 16:20 <Plugh> You don't want to use the regex pattern when dealing with hex floats?
2014-04-18 16:22 <lkalif> Aleric: nope
2014-04-18 16:22 <Aleric> The regular expression would become: 
2014-04-18 16:23 <lkalif> "^(\\+|-)?(0X)?([0-9]+
2014-04-18 16:23 <lkalif> ...
2014-04-18 16:24 <lkalif> i would also use c# @"this type strin"
2014-04-18 16:25 <Aleric> "^((\\+|-)?([0-9]+\\.?[0-9]*|\\.[0-9]+)([eE](\\+|-)?[0-9]+)?|0x([0-9a-f]+\\.?[0-9a-f]*|\\.[0-9a-f]+)[pP](\\+|-)?[0-9a-f]+))"
2014-04-18 16:25 <lkalif> @"^(\+|-)?([0-9]+\.?[0-9]*|\.[0-9]+)([eE](\+|-)?[0-9]+)?"
2014-04-18 16:26 <lkalif> also \d is [0-9]
2014-04-18 16:26 <Aleric> It seems better to just test if the string matches the current regular expression (thus, starts with 0x or not), and if the result is 0 test really if the second character is 'x' and if so, try to decode it - if that fails then you return 0.
2014-04-18 16:27 <Aleric> The reason is that the regular expression is only to make sure you are not feeding double.Parse() nonsense, but we're not going to pass it to that function anyway
2014-04-18 16:28 <lkalif> you can safely parse with
2014-04-18 16:28 <lkalif> double d;
2014-04-18 16:28 <lkalif> if (double.TryParse("foo", out d)) { do_something(); }
2014-04-18 16:29 <Aleric> lkalif: What is the name of a C# compiler on linux?
2014-04-18 16:29 <lkalif> Aleric: you  can use interpreter for tesst
2014-04-18 16:29 <lkalif> csharp
2014-04-18 16:29 <lkalif> interactive
2014-04-18 16:29 <Aleric> damn.. I should go ... need to do stuff and be in the city too soon...
2014-04-18 16:29 <lkalif> try "csharp" when you get a chance
2014-04-18 16:29 <Aleric> I'll write a mantis and patch later.
2014-04-18 16:29 <lkalif> it comes with mono
2014-04-18 16:30 <Aleric> lkalif: and an hello world that I can use to test this?
2014-04-18 16:30 <lkalif> it's a command line
2014-04-18 16:30 <lkalif> you can just type string s = "fff";
2014-04-18 16:31 <lkalif> and just s <enter> to print the va
2014-04-18 16:31 <lkalif> val
2014-04-18 16:31 <Aleric> csharp> help
2014-04-18 16:31 <Aleric>       > string s = "0x1.fp3";
2014-04-18 16:31 <Aleric> {interactive}(2,0): error CS1525: Unexpected symbol `string'
2014-04-18 16:32 <lkalif> i guess it took help as part of that command
2014-04-18 16:32 <Aleric> csharp> string s = "0x1.fp3"; 
2014-04-18 16:32 <Aleric> csharp> s
2014-04-18 16:32 <Aleric>       >  
2014-04-18 16:32 <lkalif> s;
2014-04-18 16:32 <lkalif> i forgot to tell about ;
2014-04-18 16:32 <Aleric> ok :) thanks
2014-04-18 16:33 <Plugh> there is also gmcs for a C# compiler under Linux.
2014-04-18 16:34 <Plugh> Aleric: Regression tests should be added when this format of float is supported.
2014-04-18 16:34 <Aleric> csharp> double d;          
2014-04-18 16:34 <Aleric> csharp> double.TryParse(s, out d);
2014-04-18 16:34 <Aleric> false
2014-04-18 16:34 <Aleric> csharp> d;
2014-04-18 16:34 <Aleric> 0
2014-04-18 16:34 <Melanie_T> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13390034/can-c-net-parse-exponential-hex-encoded-floating-point-numbers-from-strings
2014-04-18 16:34 <Aleric> Guess that doesn't work :p
2014-04-18 16:34 <lkalif> nope
2014-04-18 16:35 <Melanie_T> Stephan Tolksdorf writes:  0 down vote
2014-04-18 16:35 <Melanie_T> 	
2014-04-18 16:35 <Melanie_T> I have written C# code for formatting and parsing numbers in the hexadecimal floating-point format described in IEEE 754r and supported by C99, C++11 and Java. The code is part of the BSD-licenced FParsec library for F# and is contained in a single file: https://bitbucket.org/fparsec/main/src/tip/FParsecCS/HexFloat.cs
2014-04-18 16:35 <Aleric> Yay Melanie_T Thanks :)  .. I should have Googled it :p
2014-04-18 16:35 <Melanie_T> now, we can link F# created dlls
2014-04-18 16:35 <Melanie_T> might be able to use this
2014-04-18 16:36 <Plugh> I wonder who would use that type of float and when.
2014-04-18 16:36 <Melanie_T> in fact, he writes f# in text but the code is c#
2014-04-18 16:36 <Melanie_T> Plugh: i've seen it used
2014-04-18 16:36 <Melanie_T> it was in a script i had to port
2014-04-18 16:36 <Melanie_T> so i had to go to SL
2014-04-18 16:36 <Melanie_T> print the values in decimal there
2014-04-18 16:36 <Melanie_T> and put the decimal constants in
2014-04-18 16:37 <lkalif> for putting floats into strings with no float lossiness
2014-04-18 16:37 <Plugh> ok. I've ported a lot of scripts but never seen that.
2014-04-18 16:37 <Melanie_T> and acceopt the loss of precision
2014-04-18 16:37 <Aleric> Plugh: like I said, it's for serialization of floats. Whenever you want to send or store vectors, rotations, floats - without losing precision, you'd like to use Float2Hex - which doens't work on opensim because of this.
2014-04-18 16:37 <Plugh> I just run across errors in global variable declarations.
2014-04-18 16:39 <Plugh> I would guess it might be used in physics related scripts for prim movement. Can't think of other needs for such precision.
2014-04-18 16:39 <Plugh> Melanie_T: That's quite a bit of code to handle hex floats.
2014-04-18 16:40 <Melanie_T> we have places where there is more code for less needed things
2014-04-18 19:23 <osmantis> Bug #7119:04 Abnormal execution times reported for InventoryWorkerThread0 and InventoryWorkerThread1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7119 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2014-04-18 20:13 <linkedinyou> http://blog.digitaltutors.com/unity-udk-cryengine-game-engine-choose/
2014-04-18 20:52 <osmantis> Bug #7120:04 NPC's will not move to target varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7120 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-18 20:56 <osmantis> Bug #7051:04 [VAR] osNpcMoveToTarget fails outside of 256 on varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7051 ): has been set PARENT OF issue 0007120.
2014-04-18 20:56 <osmantis> Bug #7120:04 NPC's will not move to target varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7120 ): has been set CHILD OF issue 0007051.
2014-04-18 20:56 <osmantis> Bug #7051:04 [VAR] osNpcMoveToTarget fails outside of 256 on varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7051 ): has been removed as the PARENT OF issue 0007120.
2014-04-18 20:56 <osmantis> Bug #7120:04 NPC's will not move to target varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7120 ): has been removed as the CHILD OF issue 0007051.
2014-04-18 20:56 <osmantis> Bug #7051:04 [VAR] osNpcMoveToTarget fails outside of 256 on varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7051 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007120.
2014-04-18 20:57 <osmantis> Bug #7120:04 NPC's will not move to target varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7120 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007051.
2014-04-18 23:55 <osmantis> Bug #7096:04 llSitTarget (and llLinkSitTarget) result in different position in opensim than in SecondLife 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7096 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-18 23:56 <osmantis> Bug #7096:04 llSitTarget (and llLinkSitTarget) result in different position in opensim than in SecondLife 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7096 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-04-19 03:18 <osmantis> Bug #7121:04 Object does not default to touch after purchasing but retains the buy object setting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7121 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-19 03:24 <smxy> What? The mailing lists were moved to a server that crashes all the time? That doesn't seem wise.
2014-04-19 14:24 <osmantis> Bug #7122:04 applying texture to a face that already has a normal map and/or specular map those advanced mat textures to be set to "none" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7122 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-19 14:45 <osmantis> Bug #7122:04 applying texture to a face that already has a normal map and/or specular map causes advanced mat textures to be reset to "none" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7122 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-19 19:07 <smxy> Either offline messaging is broken, or I have something configured wrong. I sent a message to one of my alts, then logged him in to see if he got it. He didn't. So, I looked in the im_offline table. It's in there, along with 27 other undelivered messages to various people. I am not sure I understand how it can be a configuration issue, if they are getting into the database, but I won't 
2014-04-19 19:07 <smxy> rule it out.
2014-04-19 19:16 <danbanner> ive been getting offline messages fine
2014-04-19 19:17 <danbanner> also inventory and friendship requests are stored and delivered fine
2014-04-19 19:19 <smxy> I see that I get an exception when the alt logs in and tries to retrieve his offline messages. Let me pastebin it.
2014-04-19 19:19 <smxy> http://pastebin.com/pU4rgduR
2014-04-19 19:20 <smxy> That looks broken to me.
2014-04-19 19:23 <smxy> I don't think OSgrid uses V2 messaging
2014-04-19 20:00 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-19 20:01 <smxy> I hope that can get fixed fast. 
2014-04-19 20:07 <smxy> The core of the matter, if you'll pardon my pun, seems to be this: "Cannot cast from source type to destination type."
2014-04-19 20:11 <H-H-H> i would agree that looks like osg is still useing the old offline stuff and you asked it to use v2 lol
2014-04-19 20:11 <smxy> I didn't ask OSG to use it. That's in my own grid.
2014-04-19 20:11 <smxy> I was responding to Dan saying it was working for him.
2014-04-19 20:12 <smxy> I assumed he meant in OSG.
2014-04-19 20:12 <danbanner> ya we dont use any V2 stuff 
2014-04-19 20:13 <smxy> Why not? You're supposed to be the opensim test grid and you don't even use the core features.
2014-04-19 20:13 <danbanner> we probably will eventually
2014-04-19 20:14 <melanie_> it's always difficult to change OSG's central systems
2014-04-19 20:14 <melanie_> unlike homogenous grids, many people have to go along with the change to make it work
2014-04-19 20:14 <danbanner> ya its not a simple conversion
2014-04-19 20:14 <melanie_> if the change then even turns out problematic
2014-04-19 20:14 <melanie_> then so much the worse
2014-04-19 20:15 <melanie_> as the admins get the flack
2014-04-19 20:18 <smxy> Well, V2 offline messsaging used to work, so this is a regression. I hope it can be fixed quickly.
2014-04-19 20:22 <osmantis> Bug #7049:04 llSetTextureAnim causes wrong positions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7049 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-19 21:09 <jakdaniels_> danbanner or melanie_, could OSG support both group types at the same time to allow for a gentle migration, or would we just end up with 2 separate and different datasets of groups?
2014-04-19 21:18 <melanie_> this isn't groups but offline messages
2014-04-19 21:18 <melanie_> unless the topic changed since my last comment
2014-04-19 21:18 <melanie_> groups cannot be run in parallel
2014-04-19 21:18 <melanie_> because the two groups systems can't share one database
2014-04-19 21:21 <jakdaniels_> sorry, yes I misread, is that also the case for offline IM?
2014-04-19 21:50 <melanie_> 
ACTION is trying a new IRC client

2014-04-19 21:51 <melanie_> it would be nice if someone could give me a few lines of text
2014-04-19 21:51 <melanie_> and maybe mention my name
2014-04-19 21:51 <BlueWall> Hello there
2014-04-19 21:51 <melanie_> so i can see how highlighting works
2014-04-19 21:51 <BlueWall> Hi melanie_
2014-04-19 21:52 <melanie_> thanks
2014-04-19 21:52 <BlueWall> Testing melanie_ ne IRC client
2014-04-19 21:52 <BlueWall> sure, yw
2014-04-19 21:52 <BlueWall> what are you trying?
2014-04-19 21:55 <melanie_> i' evaluating textual, a current irc client for mac
2014-04-19 21:55 <melanie_> i've been using xchat but that meant having an X server running
2014-04-19 21:56 <melanie_> shame to give up that memory and power
2014-04-19 21:56 <melanie_> important on a laptop
2014-04-19 21:56 <BlueWall> ++
2014-04-19 22:16 <osmantis> Bug #7115:04 [PATCH] Unknown UserUMMTGUN9 shows for owner of group owned land parcel in OpenSim.exe console for "land show" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7115 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
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2014-04-20 02:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #3490 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-20 02:29 <osmantis> Bug #6778:04 Profile service spitting out an error for some HG visitors. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6778 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-20 02:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3490: SUCCESS in 7 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3490/
2014-04-20 02:34 <osjenkins> bluewall: Catch empty url error
2014-04-20 03:14 <smxy> Bluewall: thanks for the fix. Of course, I updated a few hours ago, lol. But I'll get it soon enough. :)
2014-04-20 03:15 <osmantis> Bug #7100:04 Can't TP: Failed to verify user presence in the grid ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7100 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-20 03:16 <BlueWall> sure thing. You can close the mantis if it checks out OK forr you?
2014-04-20 03:16 <smxy> Sure (if it will let me, if not, I'll mention that it can be).
2014-04-20 03:17 <BlueWall> ok, thanks.
2014-04-20 04:45 <osmantis> Bug #7100:04 Can't TP: Failed to verify user presence in the grid ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7100 ): has been CLOSED
2014-04-20 05:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #3491 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-20 05:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3491: SUCCESS in 3 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3491/
2014-04-20 05:30 <osjenkins> * orenh: Fixed: the parcel flag "Allow Scripts from Group" should only check if the parcel has a Group set; it doesn't have to be *deeded* to the group
2014-04-20 05:30 <osjenkins> * orenh: Fixed: if a user belonged to the parcel's group then he was allowed to rez object in the parcel even if the flag "Create Objects by Group" was disabled
2014-04-20 05:30 <osjenkins> * orenh: Fixed: once a user has rezzed an object, they could then duplicate it as much as they wanted even if the parcel's permissions had since been changed to disallow rezzing
2014-04-20 05:30 <osjenkins> * orenh: Fixed: when any avatar changed his Active Group, it was set as the active group for *all* the avatars in the scene (not permanently)
2014-04-20 05:30 <osjenkins> * orenh: Stopped setting the Service URL "GatekeeperURI" on users' accounts. It isn't actually used.
2014-04-20 05:30 <osjenkins> * orenh: Better error-handling when storing assets: recognize that 'null' is an error value
2014-04-20 06:08 <smxy> orenh:ping
2014-04-20 06:13 <smxy> orenh (or anyone, really): If you have a moment, could you please see if #7123 is something that could be easily fixed? It used to work, but I have no idea when it broke. Now that I have residents, and in timezones vastly different than mine, communicating via offline messages is vital. My thanks, in advance.
2014-04-20 06:14 <orenh> sorry smxy, I'm working on bug reports from my own users so I can't look at this
2014-04-20 06:17 <smxy> Oh. I didn't know you only worked on bugs found in your grid.
2014-04-20 06:17 <smxy> Okay.
2014-04-20 06:18 <orenh> I've spent countless hours fixing bugs of all types, including several that I contributed to OpenSim less than an hour ago. Do you honestly think that I should work on your bugs ahead of paying users?
2014-04-20 06:19 <smxy> No. I understand. It was just a politel request, of anyone, really. It's fine.
2014-04-20 06:19 <smxy> polite*
2014-04-20 06:20 <smxy> And all the fixes you've submitted are very welcome. 
2014-04-20 06:39 <Inusaito> orenh: Isn't a glance the least you can do, perhaps it is something you could fix easily when you find time
2014-04-20 06:39 <orenh> I did glance, and it wasn't obvious. I use Offline V2 and it works fine. I believe someone had mentioned that he might be running different versions of the Offline IM service on simulator and Robust, which might cause the incompatibility. 
2014-04-20 06:44 <smxy>  No, someone suggested I was trying to use V2 with OSgrid. I wasn't. OSgrid has nothing to do with it. It's my own grid and it only uses V2 groups, profiles, and offline messaging.
2014-04-20 06:49 <smxy> I'm not expecting special treatment. It really was just a polite request of you, or anyone, though you seem to be the person fixing the incumbent bugs these days, rather than adding new features, so I did aim it you, yes. I apologize for presuming. It'll get fixed eventually, I imagine.
2014-04-20 07:04 <MistySolution> orenh: People pay for opensim?
2014-04-20 07:05 <orenh> People pay for hosting their regions, so they don't have to do it from their home computers
2014-04-20 07:05 <MistySolution> Ah, I thought you meant people pay to use opensim at home and such
2014-04-20 07:08 <orenh> smxy I took no offence. I do try to help when I can. But I'm very busy, and taking care of my customers (which is what I'm working on right now) has to come first.
2014-04-20 07:10 <smxy> Understood.
2014-04-20 08:29 <melanie_> orenh: you found quite a whopper there in SendAgentUpdate
2014-04-20 08:29 <orenh> yes, it was a beauty :)
2014-04-20 08:29 <melanie_> that actually may explain why sometimes people were able to do things they should not been able to
2014-04-20 08:29 <melanie_> worst of all, i put that bug in
2014-04-20 08:29 <melanie_> thanks for squishing it
2014-04-20 08:31 <orenh> np
2014-04-20 10:48 <melanie_> orenh: Now, I know you didn't want to say that ;) <orenh>	 I've spent countless hours fixing bugs of all types, including several that I contributed to OpenSim less than an hour ago.
2014-04-20 10:48 <melanie_> orenh: contributing bugs, my, my :P
2014-04-20 10:48 <orenh> I like to work on both sides of the aisle...
2014-04-20 10:49 <melanie_> :)
2014-04-20 10:49 <melanie_> 
ACTION imagines orenh with angel wings and horns...

2014-04-20 11:27 <Aleric> Ok.. I'm confused here...
2014-04-20 11:27 <Aleric> I tried the following script:
2014-04-20 11:27 <Aleric> default
2014-04-20 11:27 <Aleric> {
2014-04-20 11:27 <Aleric>     state_entry()
2014-04-20 11:27 <Aleric>     {
2014-04-20 11:28 <Aleric>         string huge = "AAAAAAAABBBBBBBBCCCCCCCCDDDDDDDD";
2014-04-20 11:28 <Aleric>         integer size = 32;
2014-04-20 11:28 <Aleric>         while (size)
2014-04-20 11:28 <Aleric>         {
2014-04-20 11:28 <Aleric>             huge += huge;
2014-04-20 11:28 <Aleric>             size = llStringLength(huge);
2014-04-20 11:28 <Aleric>             llSay(0, "size = " + (string)size);
2014-04-20 11:28 <Aleric>         }
2014-04-20 11:28 <Aleric>         llSay(0, "We get here");
2014-04-20 11:28 <Aleric>     }
2014-04-20 11:28 <Aleric> }
2014-04-20 11:28 <Aleric> Guess what happened :/
2014-04-20 11:57 <NickyP> size went to very big and the loop could not exit
2014-04-20 11:57 <Aleric> yes
2014-04-20 11:57 <Aleric> I was able to stop the script before the server crashed.. but um.
2014-04-20 11:57 <Aleric> opensim == griefer paradise?
2014-04-20 12:00 <NickyP> I think there is a script memory manager that handles that but not really sure.
2014-04-20 12:01 <Aleric> Well, it was already using 500 MB by the time I stopped it.
2014-04-20 12:01 <Aleric> That doesn't seem OK to me :p
2014-04-20 12:01 <NickyP> agree
2014-04-20 12:02 <Aleric> I just tested in SL that:  huge = "prefix" + huge;   is not using twice the memory of 'huge' .. at least, it doesn't trigger their out-of-memory.
2014-04-20 12:03 <Aleric> Strangely enough, if "prefix" is a literal (like here) you can make it a lot bigger than when it is a string.
2014-04-20 12:23 <Aleric> Well, I crashed the sim
2014-04-20 12:23 <Aleric> sigh
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2014-04-20 12:50 <orenh> Melanie_T I have a question about KeyframeMotion
2014-04-20 12:50 <orenh> The class Keyframe is marked [Serializable]
2014-04-20 12:51 <orenh> But the field StartRotation seems to be set at runtime. So can I mark it [NonSerialized()] ?
2014-04-20 12:51 <orenh> Plus, I want to add a similar field (non-serialized): StartPosition
2014-04-20 13:17 <osmantis> Bug #7115:04 [PATCH] Unknown UserUMMTGUN9 shows for owner of group owned land parcel in OpenSim.exe console for "land show" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7115 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-20 14:27 <osmantis> Bug #7117:04 llSetKeyframedMotion does not allow velocities below 1 meter per second 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7117 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-04-20 14:44 <osmantis> Bug #7115:04 [PATCH] Unknown UserUMMTGUN9 shows for owner of group owned land parcel in OpenSim.exe console for "land show" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7115 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-20 16:19 <melanie_> orenh: the keyframe motion is serialized on region crossings
2014-04-20 16:19 <melanie_> orenh: It's then created from that serialization
2014-04-20 16:19 <melanie_> that code path may not set that field
2014-04-20 16:19 <melanie_> i believe the fields that are serialized now need to be
2014-04-20 16:20 <orenh> ok, thanks for the clarification
2014-04-20 16:20 <melanie_> adding non-serialized fields is not a problem but changes to the serialized fields would break inter-version compatibility so cannot be done
2014-04-20 16:20 <melanie_> the field you want to add, does it have to be public?
2014-04-20 16:20 <melanie_> i believe private fields may not be serialized...
2014-04-20 16:21 <melanie_> anyway, the serialized set and order should nt be touched as it would cause transfers between different versions and prims taken on earlier versions to break
2014-04-20 16:21 <melanie_> it's basically immutable
2014-04-20 16:29 <orenh> I'm adding 'StartPosition'
2014-04-20 16:29 <orenh> it works exactly the same as 'StartRotation', but for the position
2014-04-20 16:29 <orenh> so I'll add it at the end
2014-04-20 16:30 <melanie_> as long as it's not serialized, the position doesn't matter
2014-04-20 16:37 <orenh> well, according to what you've said, it does need to be serialized
2014-04-20 16:53 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-20 17:23 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-20 18:00 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-20 18:03 <Aleric> Great... in admin mode I try to open a script of my partner.. which fails (Why doesn't God mode allow me to read his scripts). So, I do "Admin --> Object --> Take copy" .. which then causes the object *disappear* (it's not in my inventory) and shortly after freeze/crash the sim.
2014-04-20 18:03 <Aleric> I hope my friend had a back up of that! :/
2014-04-20 18:09 <nebadon_> Aleric
2014-04-20 18:09 <nebadon_> you have to go to Admin menu
2014-04-20 18:09 <nebadon_> and do Force Owner Permissive
2014-04-20 18:09 <nebadon_> it wont change ownership but lets you view it I think
2014-04-20 18:10 <Aleric> That changes ownership
2014-04-20 18:10 <Aleric> no?
2014-04-20 18:10 <nebadon_> I dont think it does
2014-04-20 18:10 <nebadon_> the other one does that
2014-04-20 18:10 <Aleric> Well, anyway.. the object is gone now.
2014-04-20 18:10 <nebadon_> ya that sucks
2014-04-20 18:29 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-20 19:02 <melanie_> Aleric: there is a bug in release that has been fixed by one of oren's patches in trunk. It can cause the flags of an object that a copy is taken of to remain nonzero
2014-04-20 19:02 <melanie_> this is because the copying was prevented from being saved to database by temporarily marking the object as an attachment. 
2014-04-20 19:03 <melanie_> the patch i'm referring to, i believe it was oren, changes that mechanism to no longer abuse the attachment flag
2014-04-20 19:03 <Aleric> Our sim was upgraded yesterday - it's trunk
2014-04-20 19:03 <melanie_> before that, the original in a take copy operation could possibly remain an attachment and there is other code that deletes orphan attachments, so could and probably would have killed it then
2014-04-20 19:04 <melanie_> the above may still apply in parts
2014-04-20 19:04 <melanie_> take copy has some b0rkage 
2014-04-20 19:04 <melanie_> also, friends perms don't work for editing content items. that is a bug (omission)
2014-04-20 19:05 <melanie_> the perms only let you edit the prim itself
2014-04-20 19:24 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-20 20:22 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-20 20:33 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-20 20:38 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-20 23:05 <osmantis> Bug #7016:04 Object loses name, owner, creator properties, ability to be deleted, etc. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7016 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-20 23:09 <diva> we don't have PERMISSION_TELEPORT in opensim?
2014-04-20 23:10 <diva> how idd
2014-04-20 23:14 <melanie_> the concept of PERMISSION_TELEPORT is deeply flawed
2014-04-20 23:15 <osmantis> Bug #7016:04 Object loses name, owner, creator properties, ability to be deleted, etc. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7016 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-20 23:15 <diva> why?
2014-04-20 23:16 <melanie_> PERMISSION_TELEPORT is designed to reduce the chance of lawsuits
2014-04-20 23:16 <melanie_> it's not designed to facilitate the purpose of objects created to take advantage of it
2014-04-20 23:16 <melanie_> imagine a gate like a hypergate
2014-04-20 23:16 <diva> how do you teleport ppl then?
2014-04-20 23:16 <melanie_> you walk through it
2014-04-20 23:16 <melanie_> you expect to be elsewhere
2014-04-20 23:16 <melanie_> instead, you're in the same place
2014-04-20 23:17 <melanie_> being asked questions
2014-04-20 23:17 <diva> ok, so use osTeleportAgent instead?
2014-04-20 23:17 <melanie_> no
2014-04-20 23:17 <melanie_> llTeleportAgent is usable by objects tat belong to the avatar (attachments) and objects that belong to the parcel owner
2014-04-20 23:18 <melanie_> there is NO need to resort to opensim specific functions
2014-04-20 23:18 <melanie_> i don't believe in osFunctions because I believe 90% of scripts in the opensim ecosystem originate in SL
2014-04-20 23:18 <melanie_> that is why AVN has osFunctions disabled
2014-04-20 23:19 <diva> then I don't get what you're saying
2014-04-20 23:19 <diva> how can you teleport ppl ?
2014-04-20 23:19 <melanie_> use llTeleportAgent
2014-04-20 23:19 <diva> without PERMISION_TELEPORT?
2014-04-20 23:19 <melanie_> and just make sure your object belongs to the owner of the parcel it's on
2014-04-20 23:19 <melanie_> and that it only tries to teleport avatars over that parcel
2014-04-20 23:20 <melanie_> it will work without the annoying perms dialog
2014-04-20 23:20 <diva> and yo don't need PERMISSION_TELEPORT in that case?
2014-04-20 23:20 <melanie_> just as it would in SL "experience mode"
2014-04-20 23:20 <melanie_> if the parcel is deeded
2014-04-20 23:20 <melanie_> deed the object
2014-04-20 23:20 <melanie_> opensim is committedto supporting v1.x viewers like imprudence
2014-04-20 23:21 <melanie_> they don't have the means to even display the request for teleport permision
2014-04-20 23:21 <melanie_> the strings for that are viewerside
2014-04-20 23:21 <melanie_> neither impy nor coolVL can even ahndle it
2014-04-20 23:22 <melanie_> much less older stock linden viewers
2014-04-20 23:22 <melanie_> it might be high time to reconsider
2014-04-20 23:22 <melanie_> and set a min. version
2014-04-20 23:22 <melanie_> but at this time, opensim should work with original LL builds from v 1.18 and up
2014-04-20 23:22 <melanie_> to a significant degree at least
2014-04-20 23:23 <melanie_> like, no mesh, no scuplts
2014-04-20 23:23 <melanie_> but you get wat you pay for eh?
2014-04-20 23:23 <diva> hmm, llTeleportAgent doesn't seem to work well with a landmark
2014-04-20 23:23 <melanie_> diva: LM mode is not fully implemented
2014-04-20 23:23 <melanie_> use regiion name mode
2014-04-20 23:23 <diva> ok
2014-04-20 23:24 <diva> and it doesn't work if it's not the same parcel?
2014-04-20 23:25 <diva> oh it does
2014-04-21 00:11 <Aleric> *sigh* .. the bullet physics for standing on something is officially borked now :/
2014-04-21 00:30 <danbanner> another one of those HG visitor exceptions :/ http://pastebin.com/Vmu6hwv4
2014-04-21 00:30 <danbanner> killed the sim
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2014-04-21 00:44 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-21 00:48 <osmantis> Bug #7016:04 Object loses name, owner, creator properties, ability to be deleted, etc. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7016 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-21 00:54 <lillith_xue> Just testing varregions on local machine: Is it normal that firestorm now only renders with 7 fps on a 4096x4096 region without any objects? or is that a bug of fs?
2014-04-21 00:57 <lillith_xue> O.o os it maybe firestorm rendering the whole terrain? Just noticed that looking to north makes the fps drop while looking to south its 60+ fps
2014-04-21 01:11 <Plugh> I'm still trying to figure out why I can't get inbound data from an llHTTPRequest. I don't recall setting it before but I set the user_agent string in OpenSim.ini and this time I got the message -> XML-RPC channel disabled. The object will not handle more connections now.
2014-04-21 01:13 <Plugh> I can't find that error in the OpenSim code.
2014-04-21 01:17 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-21 01:35 <Arielle_> I see the same behaviour in Singularity lillith_xue
2014-04-21 01:37 <lillith_xue> maybe the viewer renders the whole terrain, so 4096² is maybe to much ;-) But the serverside seems to work pretty good and stable. I m surprised ;-)
2014-04-21 01:42 <Arielle_> it does work pretty good overall. Just seeing some issue with hyperjumping in and out over  the last couple weeks of head. Could be a config issue on my end though
2014-04-21 01:44 <lillith_xue> is that problem only outside of the 256x256 square or everywhere?
2014-04-21 01:45 <Arielle_> everywhere and predominantly withing the first 256x256
2014-04-21 01:46 <Arielle_> most jumps taking at least 2 tries 
2014-04-21 01:47 <lillith_xue> hmm that also apply's to my 3x3 grid too. Most HG-teleport's succeed only at 2nd try
2014-04-21 01:50 <Arielle_> After  a rstart of the sim it is better but quickly reverts to 2-3 attempts before success.
2014-04-21 02:12 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-21 02:31 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-21 02:31 <osmantis> Bug #7119:04 Abnormal execution times reported for InventoryWorkerThread0 and InventoryWorkerThread1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7119 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-21 04:26 <lillith_xue1> yay found a fix for #7120 ;-)
2014-04-21 04:46 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-21 05:37 <osmantis> Bug #7051:04 [VAR] osNpcMoveToTarget fails outside of 256 on varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7051 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-04-21 11:34 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-21 11:35 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-21 11:38 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-21 11:47 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-21 11:47 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-04-21 12:07 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-21 12:15 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-21 12:15 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-21 12:30 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-21 12:32 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-21 12:37 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-21 12:44 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-21 12:46 <smxy> melanie_: Taking orenh up on a challenge ... :) What do you think is the correct solution  to #7123, for the masses?
2014-04-21 13:00 <Dev_Random> could that not be addressed through the connection string instead of editing my.cnf?
2014-04-21 13:05 <osmantis> Bug #7051:04 [VAR] osNpcMoveToTarget fails outside of 256 on varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7051 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-21 13:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #3492 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-21 13:09 <Aleric>  Removed references to 'Intel' as the contributors are no independent.   <-- now or not?
2014-04-21 13:10 <Misterblue> 'now'... too bad there is not an easy way to edit commits 
2014-04-21 13:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3492: SUCCESS in 7 min 40 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3492/
2014-04-21 13:10 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Possible solution for #7120 and #7051
2014-04-21 13:10 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Add 'lillith_xue' to list of CONTRIBUTORS.TXT
2014-04-21 13:11 <smxy> A lot of the work they did, in the past, was for their employer, Intel, so shouldn't it stay listed as a contributor?
2014-04-21 13:13 <Misterblue> the commits will contain their work name/email... the CONTRIBUTOR.txt is current status
2014-04-21 13:13 <smxy> Ah.
2014-04-21 13:13 <Aleric> Talking about utf8 - are LSL strings utf8? Or what are they?
2014-04-21 13:14 <Misterblue> I don't know the answer to that one
2014-04-21 13:16 <Aleric> I was thinking decoding a delimited string for example..  Ie, if you have AAA|BBB|CCC  but one of those strings contains an UTF8 character that exists of the escape character followed by stuff that contains a '|'.
2014-04-21 13:17 <Aleric> I guess I just need a multi byte utf character to this this :p
2014-04-21 13:21 <Aleric> [06:20:55]  Primitive: ⏏ has length 1
2014-04-21 13:21 <Aleric> That's a three byte character, so it looks pretty UTF8 to me.
2014-04-21 13:25 <Aleric> ꝼ
2014-04-21 13:34 <Aleric> ᐑ
2014-04-21 13:37 <Aleric> Nope, using that as delimiter doesn't work :/
2014-04-21 14:00 <osmantis> Bug #7051:04 [VAR] osNpcMoveToTarget fails outside of 256 on varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7051 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-21 14:54 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-21 16:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #3493 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-21 16:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3493: SUCCESS in 3 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3493/
2014-04-21 16:15 <osjenkins> * orenh: Better logging in PresenceService, to help diagnose presence problems.
2014-04-21 16:15 <osjenkins> * orenh: Removed an attempt to set a user's presence to "Region 0" when they HG teleport to another grid.
2014-04-21 16:15 <osjenkins> * orenh: Better error handling when retrieving offline IMs
2014-04-21 16:15 <osjenkins> * orenh: Fixed: when a user logged-in, sometimes he didn't get notified of the Online status of friends, so they continued to appear Offline.
2014-04-21 17:00 <nebadon2> misterblueAFK : ping
2014-04-21 17:00 <nebadon2> or dahlia are you here?
2014-04-21 17:00 <nebadon2> have a very odd issue with physics collision mesh
2014-04-21 17:00 <nebadon2> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/physics_holes_01.png
2014-04-21 17:00 <nebadon2> when i upload these mesh i do not see holes like this on the preview window
2014-04-21 17:01 <nebadon2> but after walking around a while i noticed i was falling through the terrain in certain spots
2014-04-21 17:01 <nebadon2> why would it look fine in the viewer preview but not actually be fine
2014-04-21 17:02 <nebadon2> its on the corner of all tile tiles
2014-04-21 17:02 <nebadon2> what a pain in the ass
2014-04-21 17:04 <djphil> You use level detail "from file"?
2014-04-21 17:04 <nebadon2> no
2014-04-21 17:04 <djphil> (physic level detail)
2014-04-21 17:05 <Aleric> Did you try uploading with the LOD set at max for every level of detail?
2014-04-21 17:05 <nebadon2> i have it generating it
2014-04-21 17:05 <nebadon2> I cant
2014-04-21 17:05 <nebadon2> its way to high
2014-04-21 17:05 <nebadon2> there is 36 tiles per upload
2014-04-21 17:05 <djphil> max is very slow
2014-04-21 17:05 <nebadon2> its like 200k+ for every .dae file
2014-04-21 17:05 <djphil> but from file is great, i love it :)
2014-04-21 17:05 <Aleric> I had problems with my terrain mesh too - was sinking in the ground everywhere - that turned out to be LOD. Forcing a high def solved it.
2014-04-21 17:05 <nebadon2> so i do something like 260,000/150,000/64,000/16,000
2014-04-21 17:06 <nebadon2> ya i am selecting 16,000 for the physics
2014-04-21 17:06 <nebadon2> i guess its too low, blah
2014-04-21 17:06 <nebadon2> im going to have to reupload these all i guess, what I dont understand is why it looks fine in the preview window
2014-04-21 17:06 <nebadon2> there are absolutely no holes in the preview
2014-04-21 17:07 <nebadon2> problem is if I go to high with the physics then i get other artifacts
2014-04-21 17:07 <nebadon2> invisible walls and such
2014-04-21 17:07 <Aleric> Not too low, but generated wrong... You'll have to generated it with blender and upload it from file instead of have the viewer generate the 16.000
2014-04-21 17:07 <nebadon2> ya thats not easy
2014-04-21 17:07 <nebadon2> im not actually doing any of this with blender
2014-04-21 17:07 <nebadon2> we have a custom app we wrote
2014-04-21 17:08 <nebadon2> we are converting raw GIS data
2014-04-21 17:08 <nebadon2> i'll try uploading one of the tiles again see how it goes
2014-04-21 17:08 <Aleric> If it's custom then it should be easier to generate the low res too :p
2014-04-21 17:09 <nebadon2> well maybe, I didnt write the code nor do I have the source code
2014-04-21 17:09 <nebadon2> so its not something I can do myself
2014-04-21 17:09 <djphil> may be you can import your dae in blender to create a physic simplified file
2014-04-21 17:09 <nebadon2> that would take way to long
2014-04-21 17:10 <nebadon2> this area is the equivalent of 150 regions
2014-04-21 17:10 <djphil> OUch :o
2014-04-21 17:11 <djphil> the fact that now you know Neb with blender it is possible to save the textures created with cycle ... wow this is :)
2014-04-21 17:12 <djphil> (v2.70 dev)
2014-04-21 17:14 <nebadon2> ya I did see that
2014-04-21 17:14 <nebadon2> i have no idea how to use cycles though
2014-04-21 17:14 <nebadon2> seems very complicated
2014-04-21 17:15 <nebadon2> i do know to that any blender model made with cycles that I try uploading into opensimulator I generally cant get it to upload
2014-04-21 17:15 <djphil> It is not really complicated ... it just takes some getting used
2014-04-21 17:16 <nebadon2> ya
2014-04-21 17:16 <djphil> now you can bake texture
2014-04-21 17:18 <djphil> import bpy
2014-04-21 17:18 <djphil> bpy.ops.object.bake(type='COMBINED', is_save_external=True, filepath="/tmp/baked.png", width=512, height=512)
2014-04-21 17:18 <nebadon2> have you done anything yet?
2014-04-21 17:18 <djphil> that the part of code to bake
2014-04-21 17:19 <djphil> just experimented
2014-04-21 17:19 <djphil> I saw it there a few days only
2014-04-21 17:20 <djphil> but I do things with cycle already ... but not for opensim, just for videos effects
2014-04-21 17:22 <nebadon2> ya I looked at cycles, made zero sense to me
2014-04-21 17:22 <nebadon2> i just dont have the time right now to learn it
2014-04-21 17:23 <djphil> the glow here is made with cycle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoZuUStGGwE
2014-04-21 17:24 <nebadon2> nice
2014-04-21 17:24 <djphil> blur too
2014-04-21 17:55 <nebadon_laptop> aha
2014-04-21 17:55 <nebadon_laptop> ok i did some math
2014-04-21 17:55 <nebadon_laptop> I can actually use the original file as the physics mesh on physics tab
2014-04-21 17:55 <nebadon_laptop> even though its 290k triangles
2014-04-21 17:55 <nebadon_laptop> its 36 tiles, so no one tile exceeds 8192 triangles
2014-04-21 17:55 <nebadon_laptop> it works great like this and it uploads a lot faster
2014-04-21 18:01 <paulieflomar> Could someone make an entry in the wiki explaining how to do it?
2014-04-21 18:01 <paulieflomar> or maybe its already there. I havent looked.
2014-04-21 18:01 <paulieflomar> I didnt realize we could do "from file."
2014-04-21 18:09 <paulieflomar> Great news, anyway!
2014-04-21 18:09 <nebadon_laptop> paulieflomar
2014-04-21 18:10 <nebadon_laptop> on the physics tab where you select the LOD
2014-04-21 18:10 <nebadon_laptop> the 5th option is "from file"
2014-04-21 18:10 <nebadon_laptop> you just choose that then browse to your physics dae file
2014-04-21 18:25 <melanie_> smxy: I saw your earlier conversation with orenh
2014-04-21 18:25 <melanie_> like him, i won't be hitched in front of anyone's wagon
2014-04-21 18:26 <melanie_> besides, i don't use the v2 style offlne messages
2014-04-21 18:26 <melanie_> avination has it's own module
2014-04-21 18:26 <nebadon_laptop> 
ACTION sneaks up to melanie and hitches up his wagon and runs away

2014-04-21 18:26 <melanie_> 
ACTION steps out of the harness and trots off

2014-04-21 18:27 <nebadon_laptop> 
ACTION narrates to audience in morgan freeman voice "What melanie doesnt know is that nebadon has secretly placed a follower script in his wagon"

2014-04-21 18:28 <melanie_> 
ACTION 's sim has scripts for others disabled

2014-04-21 18:30 <zadark> Without prejudice. Can a patch be developed for Opensim from observing viewer source code?
2014-04-21 18:32 <nebadon_laptop> 
ACTION still in character tells zadark in morgan freeman voice a quote from the opensimulator contributor policy on wiki "You have not copied source code from the GPL or LGPL licensed sections of the Second Life viewer to submit your contribution. This includes other viewers (e.g. Hippo Viewer, Imprudence, Firestorm) derived from that codebase."

2014-04-21 18:33 <nebadon_laptop> but yes you can look at code, just dont copy it 
2014-04-21 18:33 <nebadon_laptop> not that its really possible to copy C++ into C#
2014-04-21 18:33 <nebadon_laptop> but we no longer deny patches from viewer devs
2014-04-21 18:34 <melanie_> in most cases, the reference to viewer code is to determine the proper requests and responses, means, protocol discovery and mapping
2014-04-21 18:34 <melanie_> that doesn't normally result n code being copies as the task usually is writing the "other half", and in a different language at that
2014-04-21 18:35 <melanie_> if you read the viewer code and reduce the code to pure protocol knowledge
2014-04-21 18:35 <melanie_> then use that protocol knowledge to design a responder for the viewer, then that is fine
2014-04-21 18:35 <Aleric> If you make opensim bug free, then it will automatically be free of Linden Lab code.
2014-04-21 18:36 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-04-21 18:36 <melanie_> lol @Aleric 
2014-04-21 18:36 <zadark> melanie_: That is the response I was looking for.
2014-04-21 18:36 <Aleric> :)
2014-04-21 18:36 <melanie_> trust aleric. he's smart :P
2014-04-21 18:36 <zadark> Aleric++
2014-04-21 18:36 <smxy> You know, melanie_, we just wanted your opinion, because it was valued. If you don't want to give it, fine. *shrug*
2014-04-21 18:37 <melanie_> smxy: to have an opinion, i would have to be conversant with the code
2014-04-21 18:37 <melanie_> it appears that invalid data is stored
2014-04-21 18:38 <melanie_> i would not be surprised if Culture settings were at the root of it
2014-04-21 18:38 <melanie_> there is no obvious source for the '?' before the declaration
2014-04-21 18:39 <smxy> Yes, there is. If you read to the end of the mantis, you'll see the he problem was resolved. The question is whether everyone should solve it as I did or if it should be resolved as oren suggests.
2014-04-21 18:40 <melanie_> ok, checking
2014-04-21 18:41 <smxy> I had to 1) set the charset for the table to utf-8 and set the DB defaults that way as well. Then it started working.
2014-04-21 18:41 <nebadon_laptop> ah we have had this problem before
2014-04-21 18:41 <smxy> ... 2)* set the DB defaults ...
2014-04-21 18:42 <nebadon_laptop> some verisons of mysql have different defaults
2014-04-21 18:42 <melanie_> orenh: ping
2014-04-21 18:42 <nebadon_laptop> so this is bad if we are not specifying this on our side
2014-04-21 18:42 <melanie_> orenh, smxy: it's not acceptable to not store unicode in the offline IM tabe
2014-04-21 18:42 <melanie_> offline IMs can originate with scripts or foreign users
2014-04-21 18:42 <melanie_> and therefore contain legitimate UTF-8 content
2014-04-21 18:42 <melanie_> forcing the codeset to latin1 would cause information loss
2014-04-21 18:43 <melanie_> by default, all modern servers use utf-8 throughout
2014-04-21 18:43 <nebadon_laptop> we went through this same problem with profiles and groups
2014-04-21 18:43 <smxy> Then it would seem a migration of the table's charset is in order, along with user education about how to configure the database default charset.
2014-04-21 18:43 <melanie_> i haven't had a single install where i had to explicitly enable unicode
2014-04-21 18:44 <melanie_> also, the charset migrattion can be done in opensim Migrations, however, the configuration change is a manual step, but one every mysql user should be able to do
2014-04-21 18:44 <smxy> That was my take.
2014-04-21 18:44 <orenh> mysql default character set is latin1
2014-04-21 18:45 <orenh> that's what all the database tables use
2014-04-21 18:45 <melanie_> it's just not acceptable to mangle/destroy japanese, chinese, russian and greek messages
2014-04-21 18:45 <melanie_> not in this day and age
2014-04-21 18:45 <orenh> when I started using OpenSim, a few years ago, I changed every single table to utf8
2014-04-21 18:45 <orenh> and of course mysql as well
2014-04-21 18:45 <melanie_> afaik, all modern mysql pacages are utf8 by default
2014-04-21 18:45 <orenh> so I'm all for declaring OpenSim a Unicode zone and requiring users to configure their databases accordingly
2014-04-21 18:45 <melanie_> if one uses soething older than 5 years, they will know why
2014-04-21 18:45 <melanie_> and also will know how to adapt it
2014-04-21 18:46 <melanie_> orenh: ++
2014-04-21 18:46 <nebadon_laptop> i remember something with latin1 vs utf8
2014-04-21 18:46 <nebadon_laptop> changes packet sizes or something
2014-04-21 18:46 <melanie_> we have international users and latin1 just won't do
2014-04-21 18:46 <nebadon_laptop> you couldnt fit as much in utf8
2014-04-21 18:46 <nebadon_laptop> i cant remember now
2014-04-21 18:46 <melanie_> nebadon_laptop: it changes _character count_
2014-04-21 18:46 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2014-04-21 18:46 <smxy> I vaguely recall that as well, nebadon_laptop
2014-04-21 18:46 <nebadon_laptop> you have to be careful with migrations
2014-04-21 18:46 <orenh> mysql supports utf8, but has to be told to use it
2014-04-21 18:46 <nebadon_laptop> it can truncate data
2014-04-21 18:47 <melanie_> and some code was using .Length to check for string length but acted as if that was length in bytes
2014-04-21 18:47 <melanie_> but it's length in chars
2014-04-21 18:47 <orenh> btw, while we're at it, I also changed almost all the tables to use Innodb instead of MyISAM
2014-04-21 18:47 <orenh> MyISAM isn't ACID
2014-04-21 18:47 <melanie_> the ssue affected IM sent to viewers
2014-04-21 18:47 <melanie_> i fixed it long ago
2014-04-21 18:47 <melanie_> orenh: innodb has a hard size limit and also suffers massive performance drops in some cases
2014-04-21 18:48 <orenh> ok, I just found my patch. It's actually from 2013, although I remember it being much earlier
2014-04-21 18:48 <orenh> maybe I migrated it
2014-04-21 18:48 <melanie_> we changed all important tables back to MyISAM after some near brushes with catastrophic data loss and abysmally bad performance on tables is 30+ million records
2014-04-21 18:48 <nebadon_laptop> ya that wasnt fun
2014-04-21 18:49 <orenh> I tried it both ways. I use InnoDB for most tables, but I kept a few, mostly in the simulators, as MyISAM
2014-04-21 18:49 <nebadon_laptop> the asset table was mostly the problem
2014-04-21 18:49 <nebadon_laptop> once we hit like 70gb
2014-04-21 18:49 <melanie_> assets must be myisam
2014-04-21 18:49 <melanie_> while inventory can profit from inno
2014-04-21 18:49 <melanie_> if it's not too large
2014-04-21 18:50 <melanie_> most of the others are too small to worry about
2014-04-21 18:50 <orenh> ok, it looks like it's migration time
2014-04-21 18:51 <orenh> do birds migrate in spring?
2014-04-21 18:51 <smxy> So all tables in the DB should have a OTF-8 charset, then?
2014-04-21 18:51 <smxy> UTF-8*
2014-04-21 18:51 <orenh> yes
2014-04-21 18:51 <nebadon_laptop> are we talking about changing robust or just regions?
2014-04-21 18:51 <keygruin> isn't mysql's charset determined by the host's system locale setting? Or must it be specifically set within mysql?
2014-04-21 18:52 <smxy> If I change that, will it affect any existing data poorly?
2014-04-21 18:52 <nebadon_laptop> i get nervous with migrations like that on osgrid
2014-04-21 18:52 <orenh> need to change two things: 1) table definitions, using ALTER TABLE; 2) mysql config (my.cnf, or my.ini in Windows)
2014-04-21 18:52 <Dev_Random> so the mysql part can't be addressed in the connection string?  e.g.  ?characterEncoding=UTF-8  or something similar?
2014-04-21 18:52 <orenh> the Operating System charset has no bearing
2014-04-21 18:52 <orenh> Dev_Random, I don't know. I've never tried it.
2014-04-21 18:52 <smxy> keygruin: not in my case. The OS was set to UTF-8, but the database was not.
2014-04-21 18:53 <nebadon_laptop> i would rather see this be only new tables 
2014-04-21 18:53 <nebadon_laptop> anyone else who wants to switch does it manually
2014-04-21 18:53 <nebadon_laptop> do not force big grids to migrate by robust to keep up with code
2014-04-21 18:53 <orenh> migrate by robust?
2014-04-21 18:53 <nebadon_laptop> ya it wont run any migrations when robust starts right?
2014-04-21 18:54 <nebadon_laptop> we have gigantic tables on osgrid
2014-04-21 18:54 <orenh> it will
2014-04-21 18:54 <nebadon_laptop> sigh
2014-04-21 18:54 <orenh> but it's easy to run them standalone as well
2014-04-21 18:54 <orenh> that will take the same amount of time
2014-04-21 18:54 <orenh> but won't prevent robust from starting
2014-04-21 18:54 <nebadon_laptop> guess we wont be updating code anytime soon
2014-04-21 18:55 <orenh> because of time time it would take robust to start?
2014-04-21 18:55 <orenh> what if I give you a mysql script to run separately?
2014-04-21 18:55 <nebadon_laptop> i just get nervous running changes like that on such large database
2014-04-21 18:55 <nebadon_laptop> we have our database tuned 
2014-04-21 18:55 <nebadon_laptop> and changes like that really throw a monkey wrench in things
2014-04-21 18:56 <orenh> what do you do today when there are commits that include database alterations? that happens occasionally
2014-04-21 18:56 <nebadon_laptop> depends
2014-04-21 18:56 <nebadon_laptop> on what tables its touching
2014-04-21 18:56 <nebadon_laptop> doing all tables at once
2014-04-21 18:56 <nebadon_laptop> that scares me
2014-04-21 18:56 <nebadon_laptop> that almost never happens
2014-04-21 18:57 <nebadon_laptop> not sure its ever happened actually
2014-04-21 18:57 <orenh> do you not want to change to utf8?
2014-04-21 18:58 <nebadon_laptop> we might have already
2014-04-21 18:58 <nebadon_laptop> we dont use v2 groups or offline messages
2014-04-21 18:59 <nebadon_laptop> will this touch inventory tables?
2014-04-21 18:59 <nebadon_laptop> our invnetory tables are gigantic
2014-04-21 18:59 <nebadon_laptop> 100+ million rows
2014-04-21 18:59 <orenh> yes
2014-04-21 19:02 <nebadon_laptop> ok I will probably just manually change migration tables
2014-04-21 19:02 <nebadon_laptop> and skip it then
2014-04-21 19:02 <nebadon_laptop> i really dont want to do this
2014-04-21 19:02 <nebadon_laptop> its not a trivial update I can just do on a whim
2014-04-21 19:03 <zadark> UTF-8 uses 3 bytes per character, UTF-8 is only required where language characters are expected to be stored. Seems to be an overkill for things like UUID and URL
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2014-04-21 19:04 <nebadon_laptop> ya personally I think it should only be changed where absolutely necessary
2014-04-21 19:04 <nebadon_laptop> I am kind of -1 on shotgun approach
2014-04-21 19:04 <orenh> utf8 is a variable-length encoding. it uses 1 byte in most cases, 2 or 3 bytes only where actually needed
2014-04-21 19:04 <orenh> for an existing database, 99% of the data will keep using 1 byte per character
2014-04-21 19:05 <orenh> since latin1 doesn't have much scope for characters that would require >1 byte in utf8
2014-04-21 19:05 <nebadon_laptop> I remeber doing this in the past and stuff getting truncated
2014-04-21 19:05 <nebadon_laptop> and being a disaster
2014-04-21 19:05 <nebadon_laptop> it was on either groups or profiles
2014-04-21 19:05 <orenh> well, you've gone and put the fear of god in me...
2014-04-21 19:06 <nebadon_laptop> it would need really good testing
2014-04-21 19:06 <nebadon_laptop> it shouldnt be done lightly
2014-04-21 19:06 <orenh> I don't want to put something that deletes data
2014-04-21 19:06 <Dev_Random> I'll do it.
2014-04-21 19:06 <orenh> so maybe only do this for the offline_im table and be done with it
2014-04-21 19:06 <nebadon_laptop> and yes sorry to scare you but im terrified
2014-04-21 19:06 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-04-21 19:06 <melanie_> aren't your atbles unicode already?
2014-04-21 19:06 <nebadon_laptop> doing everything at once scares the shit out of me
2014-04-21 19:06 <nebadon_laptop> I think they may be melanie_
2014-04-21 19:06 <smxy> But OpenSim is being written just for your grid, nebadon_laptop
2014-04-21 19:07 <nebadon_laptop> id have to check but I really cant at the moment
2014-04-21 19:07 <nebadon_laptop> i assume you meant isnt
2014-04-21 19:07 <smxy> yes :)
2014-04-21 19:07 <nebadon_laptop> and smxy I know that, but what i say could potentially be a diaster for everyone
2014-04-21 19:07 <nebadon_laptop> wouldnt just effect osgrid
2014-04-21 19:07 <nebadon_laptop> im not saying dont do it
2014-04-21 19:07 <melanie_> nebadon_laptop: in fact it is written for your grid
2014-04-21 19:07 <nebadon_laptop> lets just not do it lightly
2014-04-21 19:07 <nebadon_laptop> maybe take a staggered approach
2014-04-21 19:07 <melanie_> osgrid is the test grid
2014-04-21 19:08 <Dev_Random> Would a large-scale change like that need to be carried through for other DBs too?  PGSQL, MSSQL, etc.?
2014-04-21 19:08 <melanie_> all modern databases come as utf-8
2014-04-21 19:08 <melanie_> it's only some ancient mysql installs that don't
2014-04-21 19:09 <melanie_> chances are everyone who is up to date already is utf-8
2014-04-21 19:09 <nebadon_laptop> would it still run the migration though?
2014-04-21 19:09 <nebadon_laptop> thats the question
2014-04-21 19:09 <Ken-S> I do recall years ago, updating MySQL broke DB access in some way. We had to manually add the Latin thing to fix it.
2014-04-21 19:09 <smxy> I'm running 5.5, which is hardly ancient. But my my.cnf might be from older.
2014-04-21 19:10 <orenh> mysql *supports* utf8, but it's not the default
2014-04-21 19:10 <nebadon_laptop> really it depends on what version your tables were genreated
2014-04-21 19:11 <orenh> smxy proved that today: his mysql wouldn't support utf8 until it was beaten over the head
2014-04-21 19:11 <nebadon_laptop> some people are running MariaDB
2014-04-21 19:11 <nebadon_laptop> some people are running PerconaDB
2014-04-21 19:11 <orenh> so I assume that everyone running mysql will need to change their my.cnf
2014-04-21 19:11 <nebadon_laptop> there is a lot of variations
2014-04-21 19:11 <orenh> although, if they don't, things will work much the same as before
2014-04-21 19:11 <orenh> they just won't be able to store or read Unicode-only characters
2014-04-21 19:12 <melanie_> the hardcoded default in mysql was changed to utf8 ages ago
2014-04-21 19:12 <melanie_> so this will only bite those who changed their cnf to latin1 explicitly
2014-04-21 19:13 <smxy> Mine didn't specify anything
2014-04-21 19:13 <melanie_> those who didn't configure charset would be utf8 since version 5 i think
2014-04-21 19:13 <smxy> it used ;atin1 until told to use utf-8
2014-04-21 19:13 <Dev_Random> I think smxy was storing the data fine.  else a configuration change would not have allowed it to be read.
2014-04-21 19:13 <orenh> melanie_, we TESTED this today, with smxy. His mysql, without configuration, used latin1
2014-04-21 19:13 <melanie_> what version is it?
2014-04-21 19:13 <smxy> no, I had to delete the bad data. it was being stored wrong.
2014-04-21 19:14 <Dev_Random> ah.. okay
2014-04-21 19:14 <orenh> 5.5
2014-04-21 19:14 <nebadon_laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjcW8d0fEsE
2014-04-21 19:14 <nebadon_laptop> oops sorry
2014-04-21 19:14 <nebadon_laptop> stupid touchpad
2014-04-21 19:14 <orenh> aahhh! experimental music!
2014-04-21 19:14 <smxy> hehe
2014-04-21 19:15 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-04-21 19:15 <orenh> time between nebadon posting a link by mistake and me pouncing on it: 30 ms
2014-04-21 19:15 <nebadon_laptop> haha its a good watch if your bored
2014-04-21 19:15 <nebadon_laptop> great band
2014-04-21 19:15 <orenh> I prefer "No Knife"
2014-04-21 19:16 <nebadon_laptop> or "The Spork"
2014-04-21 19:16 <nebadon_laptop> haha
2014-04-21 19:17 <smxy> So, how do we move forward, in a way that is acceptable to everyone? :)
2014-04-21 19:20 <keygruin> https://www.bluebox.net/insight/blog-article/getting-out-of-mysql-character-set-hell
2014-04-21 19:21 <melanie_> in today'sday and age, latin1 is not really used anymore
2014-04-21 19:21 <melanie_> so we need to take the plunge
2014-04-21 19:21 <nebadon_laptop> I am not against that
2014-04-21 19:21 <nebadon_laptop> im just terrified of doing all tables at once
2014-04-21 19:21 <nebadon_laptop> if things start breaking
2014-04-21 19:22 <nebadon_laptop> thats not good and can lead to a lot of confusion and panic
2014-04-21 19:23 <nebadon_laptop> I have a feeling like Melanie that OSGrid may already be using UTF-8
2014-04-21 19:24 <nebadon_laptop> we did a lot of things manually ourselves long ago, I just cant remember exactly now what we did and didnt do
2014-04-21 19:24 <nebadon_laptop> and realistically i cant even begin to look much into this until I am back in the United States
2014-04-21 19:24 <nebadon_laptop> another 3 weeks
2014-04-21 19:25 <orenh> in mysql, run: show create table inventoryitems\G
2014-04-21 19:25 <orenh> and check the CHARSET
2014-04-21 19:26 <nebadon_laptop> show create?
2014-04-21 19:26 <orenh> that shows details about the table
2014-04-21 19:26 <orenh> how it was created
2014-04-21 19:26 <nebadon_laptop> k
2014-04-21 19:26 <smxy> describe, on steroids. :)
2014-04-21 19:27 <nebadon_laptop> hmm says charset = ascii
2014-04-21 19:27 <melanie_> ouch
2014-04-21 19:28 <nebadon_laptop> seems odd it would be ascii
2014-04-21 19:28 <melanie_> as fr as utf8 - i believe a BOM is optional
2014-04-21 19:28 <melanie_> i think it's only written when needed
2014-04-21 19:29 <smxy> It was written at the start of every offline IM.
2014-04-21 19:29 <smxy> But was being mangled on storing to the DB.
2014-04-21 19:30 <smxy> Until I turned on utf-8 in my.cnf.
2014-04-21 19:31 <orenh> let's talk about data truncation
2014-04-21 19:31 <orenh> when I converted to utf8 I didn't have such problems
2014-04-21 19:31 <orenh> so I wonder if they're real
2014-04-21 19:32 <nebadon_laptop> its definitely real, but may not be a problem, I know we also had this problem with HG at one point
2014-04-21 19:32 <nebadon_laptop> because the HG urls were so long
2014-04-21 19:33 <nebadon_laptop> melanie_ said something about it earlier
2014-04-21 19:33 <nebadon_laptop> it changes character counts
2014-04-21 19:33 <nebadon_laptop> or can anyway
2014-04-21 19:34 <orenh> I find that hard to believe. A character is a character
2014-04-21 19:34 <orenh> This link: http://www.mysqlperformanceblog.com/2009/03/17/converting-character-sets/
2014-04-21 19:34 <orenh> says it happens for TEXT fields
2014-04-21 19:34 <orenh> but we have few of those (or any?)
2014-04-21 19:36 <nebadon_laptop> my memory is a bit vague now on what happened exactly, its happened on several occaions though i do remember that
2014-04-21 19:36 <melanie_> orenh: latin1 chars translate to utf8 almost 1:1
2014-04-21 19:36 <nebadon_laptop> "almost"
2014-04-21 19:36 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-04-21 19:36 <nebadon_laptop> that scares the shit out of me
2014-04-21 19:36 <melanie_> the issue is that when wide chars are actually used, character count becomes != byte count
2014-04-21 19:36 <melanie_> in those cases where byte count is required, Length will work for latin1 but not for unicode
2014-04-21 19:37 <melanie_> unicode has to be converted to byte[] and the length of the array used
2014-04-21 19:37 <melanie_> rather then taking the length of the string
2014-04-21 19:37 <melanie_> if you have a field that can hos 32 chars
2014-04-21 19:37 <melanie_> and a 32 char string containing unicode
2014-04-21 19:37 <melanie_> then the string may be 40 chars
2014-04-21 19:37 <melanie_> bytes, i mean
2014-04-21 19:37 <melanie_> and won't fit into the field
2014-04-21 19:37 <melanie_> but Length will return 32
2014-04-21 19:38 <orenh> Avatar.Value, im_offline.Message, logs.message, groups.Charter, groups.Mesage, primshapes.Media, profile.about/first, profile.*
2014-04-21 19:38 <nebadon_laptop> reminds me of this
2014-04-21 19:38 <nebadon_laptop> http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-worlds-nuclear-arsenal-pretty-much-accounte,728/
2014-04-21 19:38 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-04-21 19:38 <smxy> lol
2014-04-21 19:38 <orenh> I'm not worried about characters vs. bytes, because I've been using utf8 for a long time without problems
2014-04-21 19:39 <melanie_> chars vs. bytes is an issue because the LL protocol is specified in bytes
2014-04-21 19:39 <melanie_> storing unicode in a table may cause values to be stored that are destined for a packet, but too large to fit in one
2014-04-21 19:39 <orenh> my point is, I've been doing this for a long time and haven't encountered problems
2014-04-21 19:40 <melanie_> me neither, not since the one i fixed
2014-04-21 19:40 <melanie_> but it appears some are worried
2014-04-21 19:41 <nebadon_laptop> like I said, I am not saying don't do it, but yes I am worried
2014-04-21 19:42 <nebadon_laptop> in the past we did stuff like this, and problems have occured
2014-04-21 19:42 <nebadon_laptop> so its not completely unheard of to encounter problems
2014-04-21 19:42 <nebadon_laptop> sometimes the problems are not obvious
2014-04-21 19:42 <nebadon_laptop> like the HG one
2014-04-21 19:42 <nebadon_laptop> it took us weeks to figure that one out
2014-04-21 19:43 <Dev_Random> Will it affect any external tools?  e.g. PHP tools connecting to DB?  and is that an issue?
2014-04-21 19:43 <nebadon_laptop> nah
2014-04-21 19:43 <melanie_> it should not
2014-04-21 19:43 <orenh> I think I'll start by changing a few tables on robust and opensim, not the big ones
2014-04-21 19:43 <orenh> then we can get people to modify their my.cnf
2014-04-21 19:44 <orenh> and we'll see where we are
2014-04-21 19:44 <nebadon_laptop> that would be great orenh
2014-04-21 19:44 <nebadon_laptop> thats all I ask really
2014-04-21 19:44 <nebadon_laptop> do it in stages
2014-04-21 19:44 <smxy> That works.
2014-04-21 19:44 <orenh> on robust: im_offline (not used in osgrid), Friends, presence
2014-04-21 19:44 <nebadon_laptop> cool
2014-04-21 19:45 <orenh> on opensim: regionsettings, land
2014-04-21 19:45 <orenh> don't hold me to this, maybe something will seem interesting when I actually do this
2014-04-21 19:45 <nebadon_laptop> and if we do decide in the future other tables and I am still uncomfortable i can always skip them
2014-04-21 19:45 <nebadon_laptop> until I am ready
2014-04-21 19:45 <orenh> in particular, I want to find tables that have TEXT fields
2014-04-21 19:45 <nebadon_laptop> just fake out the migrations table
2014-04-21 19:45 <nebadon_laptop> it will still function regardless of what it is
2014-04-21 19:46 <smxy> If a migration is attempted and the thing has already been done, will it break?
2014-04-21 19:46 <nebadon_laptop> no but it might do it again
2014-04-21 19:46 <orenh> does anyone use mssql or sqlite?
2014-04-21 19:46 <nebadon_laptop> yes assume they do
2014-04-21 19:46 <orenh> because I see things that mysql has that these other databases don't
2014-04-21 19:46 <nebadon_laptop> sqlite is heavily used
2014-04-21 19:47 <nebadon_laptop> mssql not so sure, but its been patched recently
2014-04-21 19:47 <orenh> e.g., I don't see a migrations file for the Presence table in sqlite. how is that possible?
2014-04-21 19:47 <nebadon_laptop> so i assume someone is
2014-04-21 19:47 <nebadon_laptop> because i dont think you can migrate sqlite the same way
2014-04-21 19:47 <nebadon_laptop> melanie_? 
2014-04-21 19:47 <nebadon_laptop> sqlite is a pain in the ass
2014-04-21 19:47 <melanie_> sqlite doesn't offer migration in many respects
2014-04-21 19:47 <melanie_> but that is not important because sqlite has only a few datatypes
2014-04-21 19:48 <melanie_> and doesn't even care about encodings
2014-04-21 19:48 <melanie_> char, varcharm text and blob are all the same in sqlite
2014-04-21 19:48 <melanie_> essentially "blob"
2014-04-21 19:48 <melanie_> no encoding information exists
2014-04-21 19:48 <melanie_> it siply stores the bytes it's given
2014-04-21 19:48 <orenh> yes... there's no implementation of IPresenceData for sqlite
2014-04-21 19:49 <melanie_> sqlite is for standalones
2014-04-21 19:49 <melanie_> standaones use nullpresencedata
2014-04-21 19:49 <melanie_> they don't have persistent presence
2014-04-21 19:49 <orenh> well, that's just cuter than a box full of puppies
2014-04-21 19:49 <melanie_> awwwww
2014-04-21 19:50 <orenh> here, sqlite! here boy! coochie-coo!
2014-04-21 19:50 <nebadon_laptop> haha
2014-04-21 19:51 <nebadon_laptop> I think thats actually the slogan for sqlite
2014-04-21 19:51 <nebadon_laptop> as powerful as a box of puppies
2014-04-21 19:52 <orenh> ok, gotta go
2014-04-21 19:52 <orenh> bye
2014-04-21 19:53 <smxy> Thanks, orenh
2014-04-21 19:53 <Plugh> hm... I import a few XML files using singularity but it seems as if some of the imported textures are listed in my inventory.
2014-04-21 19:54 <Plugh> s/are listed/are not listed/
2014-04-21 19:57 <nebadon_laptop> i dont think you will see the textures in your invnetory
2014-04-21 19:57 <nebadon_laptop> which kind of sucks
2014-04-21 19:57 <nebadon_laptop> however
2014-04-21 19:57 <nebadon_laptop> if you also export them as collada files
2014-04-21 19:58 <nebadon_laptop> it dumps all the associated textures as TGA files in same location as the .DAE file
2014-04-21 19:58 <nebadon_laptop> then you can reupload them
2014-04-21 20:00 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: most of the textures did wind up in my inventory but not all of them.
2014-04-21 20:02 <nebadon_laptop> hmm maybe because I am using Imprudence its different
2014-04-21 20:02 <Plugh> Its possible it didn't save some textures but I see the item properly.
2014-04-21 20:02 <nebadon_laptop> oh
2014-04-21 20:02 <nebadon_laptop> they may be cached then
2014-04-21 20:02 <nebadon_laptop> clear your cache
2014-04-21 20:02 <nebadon_laptop> ive had that problem too
2014-04-21 20:02 <Plugh> I cleared viewer cache and still see the objects as expected.
2014-04-21 20:03 <Plugh> I may have to do some digging. The object was saved out of an oar file I loaded from the backup of an old set of grid data.
2014-04-21 20:03 <nebadon_laptop> ah maybe that asset already exists on grid
2014-04-21 20:04 <Plugh> unlikely. It is a sculpty.
2014-04-21 20:06 <Plugh> looks like the texture didn't get saved to the oar.
2014-04-21 20:07 <Plugh> still doesn't make sense if I see it. Must be cached somewhere. 
2014-04-21 20:07 <Plugh> One more mystery for another time.
2014-04-21 20:08 <Plugh> Can't get inbound data from llHTTPRequest and can't search event listings yet event markers appear on the map.
2014-04-21 20:09 <Plugh> Time for a break. bbl.
2014-04-21 21:30 <nebadon_laptop> ok i have figured out what is happening with my mesh terrain and varregion issue
2014-04-21 21:30 <nebadon_laptop> misterblueAFK you around yet?
2014-04-21 21:30 <nebadon_laptop> it appears what is happening is sometimes 2 copies of the terrain are being rezzed
2014-04-21 21:31 <nebadon_laptop> when i rez the terrain it appears like its next door
2014-04-21 21:31 <nebadon_laptop> if i erase that one, and type force update on console
2014-04-21 21:31 <nebadon_laptop> seems to be something with child agents or something
2014-04-21 21:31 <nebadon_laptop> but if i erase the one that looks like its next door, then go to the console of the region im in and rezzed the object in and type force update
2014-04-21 21:31 <nebadon_laptop> it shows up
2014-04-21 21:32 <nebadon_laptop> where it is supposed to be
2014-04-21 21:32 <nebadon_laptop> then everything is fine
2014-04-21 21:32 <nebadon_laptop> if i dont erase it, and just type force update
2014-04-21 21:32 <nebadon_laptop> the one next door disappears and i see the one in region im in
2014-04-21 21:32 <nebadon_laptop> but if i relog or someone new logs in they see it next door
2014-04-21 21:33 <nebadon_laptop> unless i physically erase the other one first it will always keep coming back
2014-04-21 21:33 <nebadon_laptop> so bizzaro
2014-04-21 21:33 <nebadon_laptop> and its not just the person rezzing it either, everyone sees same exact thing
2014-04-21 21:34 <nebadon_laptop> even if were not in the same regions
2014-04-21 21:35 <smxy> Probably UTF-8 related. (grins and ducks)
2014-04-21 21:36 <smxy> That does seem weird, alright.
2014-04-21 22:09 <smxy> Melani___: From what I'm reading UTF-8 will be the default in MySQL 6, but for now it is still latin1.
2014-04-21 22:30 <nebadon_laptop> whats even more strange is it seems to only happen on regions with neighbors on more than 2 sides
2014-04-21 22:30 <nebadon_laptop> corner regions it doesnt happen
2014-04-21 22:31 <nebadon_laptop> though thats not entirely true, on my 2x2 768x768 var setup it happens too
2014-04-21 22:32 <nebadon_laptop> but on this big 3x5 768x768 it doesnt seem to happen on the corners, but does everywhere in between
2014-04-21 22:38 <Inusaito> Woof?!
2014-04-21 22:38 <Inusaito> That's strange
2014-04-21 22:38 <Inusaito> maybe something broken about var?
2014-04-21 22:39 <nebadon_laptop> maybe its very odd indeeed
2014-04-21 22:39 <nebadon_laptop> and it only happens with my large terrain tiles
2014-04-21 22:39 <nebadon_laptop> normal sized objects there is no problem
2014-04-21 22:39 <nebadon_laptop> my terrain tiles are also 768x768 meters
2014-04-21 22:40 <nebadon_laptop> they consist of 36 128x128 tiles
2014-04-21 22:40 <nebadon_laptop> but are 1 linkset uploaded with Singularity Viewer
2014-04-21 22:40 <nebadon_laptop> i do crazy things
2014-04-21 22:40 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-04-21 22:40 <nebadon_laptop> Mr Breaky Breakerson
2014-04-21 22:40 <dahlia> I know him
2014-04-21 22:41 <dahlia> his mother's maiden name is Murphy 
2014-04-21 22:41 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-04-21 22:41 <Melani___> what is the advantage of that over standard terrain and just adding features standard terrain can't have with mesh where needed?
2014-04-21 22:41 <Melani___> why even try to cover the entire surface with mesh even where terrain is either grassy or not even visible?
2014-04-21 22:42 <nebadon_laptop> this > http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/sanjose2_003.png
2014-04-21 22:42 <dahlia> std terrain is a heightfield, you cant do stuff like having 90 degree vertical
2014-04-21 22:42 <dahlia> and texturing is comprimised in standard terrain
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2014-04-22 09:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #3494 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-22 09:20 <osmantis> Bug #7117:04 llSetKeyframedMotion does not allow velocities below 1 meter per second 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7117 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-22 09:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3494: SUCCESS in 3 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3494/
2014-04-22 09:23 <osjenkins> * orenh: Changed the maximum asset name and description lengths to constants. Also, pre-truncate the description of dynamic textures.
2014-04-22 09:23 <osjenkins> * orenh: Fixed KeyframeMotion to work with very slow movement.
2014-04-22 15:06 <Ken-S> There was discussion yesterday or switching MySQL to use unicode rather than the default Latin.
2014-04-22 15:06 <Plugh> Someone asked me about doing the equivalent of llGiveInventory but doing it gridwide. I don't know of suhc a function.
2014-04-22 15:07 <Ken-S> Does anyone know if there would be any adverse effects if you switch to Unicode without doing any table conversions in the database?
2014-04-22 15:30 <orenh> Ken-S probably not. MySQL auto-converts at all layers. There might be a conversion error in some characters, but if you're only using ascii (as most people do) then there shouldn't be any possibility of that
2014-04-22 15:31 <Ken-S> thanks for the info orenh!
2014-04-22 15:40 <Ken-S> Hmmm the MySQL my.ini already has default-character-set-utf8 and character-set-server=utf8, but the later is in the [mysql] section rather than in the [client] section.
2014-04-22 15:41 <Ken-S> orenh, which is correct?
2014-04-22 15:43 <orenh> not sure. see http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123#c25834 for what I always use
2014-04-22 15:44 <Ken-S> orenh, yes I picked up on that in the conversation yesterday.
2014-04-22 15:44 <osmantis> Bug #7102:04 Massive Spew on Region Startup from HGAssetBroker possibly world map generation. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7102 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-22 15:44 <osmantis> Bug #7119:04 Abnormal execution times reported for InventoryWorkerThread0 and InventoryWorkerThread1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7119 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-22 15:45 <orenh> see http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15453555/mysql-configuration-file-sections
2014-04-22 15:45 <orenh> [client] is more inclusinve than [mysql]
2014-04-22 15:45 <orenh> inclusive
2014-04-22 15:45 <Ken-S> I have not touched mine since it was installed recently, and it is different... and V2 offline IMs are not working.
2014-04-22 15:45 <Ken-S> Ill try adding it to [client] section also
2014-04-22 16:43 <smxy> Ken-S: You'll need to delete the already stored, bad, offline IMs.
2014-04-22 17:24 <Ken-S> smxy, no offline IMs are being stored, still after I made this change.  The table is empty, not sure why its not storing anything at all.
2014-04-22 17:36 <Plugh> Ken-S: Is offline IM's available as a core feature now or is it still using the external offline.php file?
2014-04-22 17:38 <Ken-S> I am trying to use the V2 offline feature which is in core.  Does not need a web server or external php
2014-04-22 17:38 <Ken-S> Only on my private test grid. OSGrid is not using V2 messaging.
2014-04-22 17:38 <Plugh> ok. I don't now what is involved in trying to use it.
2014-04-22 17:38 <Plugh> s/now/know/
2014-04-22 17:39 <Ken-S> Apparently I dont either because its not saving anything to the offline table
2014-04-22 17:40 <Plugh> The table to hold offline IM's exists and it has its needed set of fields?
2014-04-22 17:40 <Ken-S> Yes, it is all there in the database as it should be, but something must be wrong or missing.
2014-04-22 17:42 <Plugh> Have you double checked the settings in [Messaging]?
2014-04-22 17:44 <Plugh> Check the messages on the console when the region starts up for messages from [OFFLINE MESSAGING]
2014-04-22 17:44 <Ken-S> Yes, but the .example and wiki do not have clear examples on 2 of the 3 settings needed for it to work. I used the same settings as smxy and it is working for them, but not for me.
2014-04-22 17:45 <Plugh> do you have the link to the wiki page so I don't have to search for it?
2014-04-22 17:47 <Plugh> Think I found it -> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Offline_Instant_Messaging_v2
2014-04-22 17:47 <Ken-S> No I dont, sorry.
2014-04-22 17:47 <Ken-S> I found some error info in the Robust.log
2014-04-22 17:47 <Plugh> Ken-S: Are you running in grid mode or standalone?
2014-04-22 17:47 <Ken-S> Going to post this in the related mantis and see if orenh has any ideas.
2014-04-22 17:48 <Ken-S> grid mode with Robust on test grid
2014-04-22 17:48 <Plugh> ok. Did you configure messaging in Robust and in OpenSim.ini?
2014-04-22 17:48 <Ken-S> Yes
2014-04-22 17:48 <Plugh> Checked for typos?
2014-04-22 17:48 <Ken-S> Ill send a link to the mantis that contains what I am seeing in a sec.
2014-04-22 17:49 <Plugh> ok
2014-04-22 17:50 <Plugh> You could also pastebin the [Messaging] sections from both Robust and OpenSim.ini
2014-04-22 17:50 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-22 17:51 <Ken-S> ok thats is
2014-04-22 17:51 <Plugh> 
ACTION looks

2014-04-22 17:52 <Ken-S> The settings in [Messageing] are identical to the setting smxy posted in that mantis except for the url address
2014-04-22 17:52 <Ken-S> *[Messaging]
2014-04-22 17:59 <Plugh> Hm... the wiki mentions port 8003. The mantis uses 8013
2014-04-22 18:00 <Ken-S> smxy is using 8013 for some reason. Not sure why.
2014-04-22 18:00 <Ken-S> I am using 8003 as it states in the mantis
2014-04-22 18:01 <Plugh> ok
2014-04-22 18:01 <Ken-S> opps. as it states in the wiki
2014-04-22 18:06 <Plugh> Your offline IM issue is like my inbound HTTP data. It is supposed to work but doesn't.
2014-04-22 18:08 <Ken-S> It worked ok when I used the expernal php and web server, but I hate the overhead of a web server just for offline IMs.
2014-04-22 18:08 <Plugh> Does core offline send messages via email?
2014-04-22 18:09 <Ken-S> No I dont think so.
2014-04-22 18:09 <Plugh> ah, that's an issue for me.
2014-04-22 18:21 <BlueWall> q
2014-04-22 18:28 <nebadon_laptop> Melanie_T : ping
2014-04-22 18:30 <velus> hey all who is about?
2014-04-22 18:34 <Ken-S> Hi velus, I am about but may not be of much help lol
2014-04-22 18:43 <osmantis> Bug #7124:04 Any user can cause parcel music stream to restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7124 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-22 18:50 <osmantis> Bug #7125:04 "show in search" can become unchecked for no reason 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7125 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-22 19:07 <nebadon_laptop> Melanie_T : http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7124
2014-04-22 19:07 <nebadon_laptop> also 7125 too, seems like something has gone wonky with parcel settings
2014-04-22 19:08 <nebadon_laptop> they might be related actually
2014-04-22 19:09 <Ken-S> Nebadon, Ive had to redo 200+ parcel settings so many times its not even funny.
2014-04-22 19:11 <Melanie_T> nebadon_laptop: i'm not aware that viewers announce what stream is playing and/or are title aware
2014-04-22 19:11 <Melanie_T> also, whatever one user does, unless it affects others, is viewerside
2014-04-22 19:11 <Melanie_T> if one user can cause stream issues for other users, then it's a server thing
2014-04-22 19:11 <Melanie_T> but if they only see issues themselves, then it's not a server thing but viewer brokenness
2014-04-22 19:12 <Ken-S> I still see errors on startup about more than one parcel being assigned to the same sim.
2014-04-22 19:14 <Aleric> Online/offline notifications are so broken :(.
2014-04-22 19:14 <Aleric> [12:04:56]  Script saved
2014-04-22 19:14 <Aleric> [12:12:26]  Korgi Silvercloud is Online
2014-04-22 19:14 <Aleric> [12:12:41]  Timmy Songbird: *hugglejumpsnug*
2014-04-22 19:14 <Aleric> [12:12:56]  Korgi Silvercloud: User is not logged in. Message saved.
2014-04-22 19:14 <Aleric> Still showing as online...
2014-04-22 19:23 <nebadon_laptop> it effects everyone Melanie_T
2014-04-22 19:23 <nebadon_laptop> some server side check is failing
2014-04-22 19:23 <nebadon_laptop> hey cant change the URL
2014-04-22 19:23 <nebadon_laptop> but they can restart it
2014-04-22 19:23 <nebadon_laptop> it seems
2014-04-22 19:24 <nebadon_laptop> and the other problem is something is constantly blasting away the list in search flag
2014-04-22 19:24 <nebadon_laptop> we have had problems like this in the past
2014-04-22 19:25 <nebadon_laptop> Ken-S that generally means you have a 65535 parcel plus others
2014-04-22 19:25 <nebadon_laptop> you need to go in and erase the 65535 parcel
2014-04-22 19:25 <nebadon_laptop> i had several doing it too
2014-04-22 19:35 <Aleric> The story continues:
2014-04-22 19:35 <Plugh> I had a thought about llEmail. Would it be worthwhile having an INI setting to restrict outbound email to that of the address in a users UserAccount record?
2014-04-22 19:35 <Aleric> [12:32:12]  Korgi Silvercloud is Offline
2014-04-22 19:35 <Aleric> [12:32:37]  Korgi Silvercloud is Online
2014-04-22 19:35 <Aleric> [12:32:42]  Timmy Songbird: *hugglejumpsnug*
2014-04-22 19:35 <Aleric> [12:32:55]  Korgi Silvercloud: User is not logged in. Message saved.
2014-04-22 19:35 <Aleric> [12:33:15]  Korgi Silvercloud snuggles back n giggles
2014-04-22 19:35 <Aleric> Might as well delete the whole online/offline notifications :/
2014-04-22 19:41 <osmantis> Bug #7076:04 Terrrain module not checking bounds on elevation. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7076 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-22 19:55 <Plugh> Hm... It looks as if it would be very easy to make llEmail only send to the users email address.
2014-04-22 20:13 <orenh> Aleric are you running master? Because I added some logging to the Presence service recently
2014-04-22 20:13 <orenh> and what's that log you're showing here?
2014-04-22 20:14 <Aleric> orenh: yes it's master, but a week old or so? And the rest of the grid is 0.7.6
2014-04-22 20:14 <orenh> what do you mean "the rest of the grid"? so what *is* running master?
2014-04-22 20:14 <Aleric> The sim that I'm on
2014-04-22 20:14 <Aleric> was on
2014-04-22 20:14 <orenh> well, my changes are from the last few days
2014-04-22 20:15 <orenh> one fix is on the simulator
2014-04-22 20:15 <orenh> and the extra logging is in robust
2014-04-22 20:15 <orenh> recommended
2014-04-22 20:15 <Aleric> I saw a commit, but that was about not showing online to your friends right?
2014-04-22 20:16 <Aleric> In this case someone showed online, but sending him an IM gives me "user is not online"
2014-04-22 20:16 <Aleric> And he's on 0.7.6 :p
2014-04-22 20:16 <orenh> yes, in your case the only help is the extra logging in robust
2014-04-22 20:17 <orenh> it will show what the server thinks is the online/offline status of the user
2014-04-22 20:18 <Ken-S> nebadon_laptop, when you say to delete all "65535" parcels, specifically what table and field do you look for the "65535" value?
2014-04-22 20:19 <nebadon_laptop> first let me be clear
2014-04-22 20:19 <nebadon_laptop> just dont go erasing all 65535
2014-04-22 20:19 <nebadon_laptop> only the ones you have parcels on
2014-04-22 20:19 <nebadon_laptop> the total off all parcels should = 65535
2014-04-22 20:19 <nebadon_laptop> and if you have many parcels and then 1 parel that says 65535 you are going to want to erase it
2014-04-22 20:19 <nebadon_laptop> and I think its land_settings table let me look
2014-04-22 20:20 <Ken-S> ok, I just wanted to make sure it was the size value we were talking about
2014-04-22 20:20 <Ken-S> Its Land/Area I think
2014-04-22 20:21 <nebadon_laptop> ya its land
2014-04-22 20:21 <nebadon_laptop> sorry
2014-04-22 20:22 <Ken-S> I dont have any parcels that are 65535, they are all 65536
2014-04-22 20:22 <nebadon_laptop> ok ya its that
2014-04-22 20:22 <nebadon_laptop> now is this one of the regions your getting that error
2014-04-22 20:22 <nebadon_laptop> you may find you have 2 65536 parcels
2014-04-22 20:22 <nebadon_laptop> on the same region this is also bad
2014-04-22 20:23 <Ken-S> Many of them on startup
2014-04-22 20:23 <Ken-S> OK Ill look for that too
2014-04-22 20:24 <Ken-S> So look for duplicate RegionUUID records and both with 65536 on them, and delete the one that doesnt belong?
2014-04-22 20:25 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2014-04-22 20:25 <nebadon_laptop> you already know this, but just a reminder
2014-04-22 20:25 <nebadon_laptop> before you delete anything backup your tables
2014-04-22 20:26 <Ken-S> Yes do that every day lol
2014-04-22 20:32 <Ken-S> It looks like anytime I renamed a parcel, it kept the previous name in the DB too.
2014-04-22 20:32 <nebadon_laptop> ya there was a bug
2014-04-22 20:32 <nebadon_laptop> i do think it was fixed
2014-04-22 22:40 <smxy> Ken-S: did you change the charset for the im_offline table to UTF-8?
2014-04-22 22:41 <smxy> Run this:
2014-04-22 22:41 <smxy> ALTER TABLE im_offline CONVERT TO CHARACTER SET utf8;
2014-04-22 22:41 <smxy> See if that helps.
2014-04-22 22:42 <smxy> Because that error you're seeing is related to the three bytes before the XML starts, which is the UNICODE BOM that oren was talking about, and which was getting corrupted in my table until the changes to the table and the mysql settings were made.
2014-04-23 00:26 <Ken-S> smxy, yes that was the missing step.  Thanks!!!
2014-04-23 00:29 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-23 00:37 <Plugh> The part of the code that creates the offline table should create it with UTF-8 support.
2014-04-23 00:38 <Ken-S> Plugh, in my case it obviously did not.
2014-04-23 00:39 <Ken-S> But I did adopt V2 very early on. It may have changed since then...
2014-04-23 00:49 <smxy> Ken-S: I'm glad that solved your problem. :)
2014-04-23 00:49 <Plugh> Ken-S: ok. Would be worth checking the table creation to avoid possible problems in the future.
2014-04-23 00:50 <smxy> I believe orenh will be making a migration that will change the charset of the table.
2014-04-23 00:51 <smxy> People will have to change the defaults for their MySQL themselves though and, frankly, if they have enough smarts to install and run it adn can edit OpenSim config files, they certainly ought to be able to make the very small change to their MySQL config that's needed.
2014-04-23 01:23 <Arielle_> as long as there is a  tut for it as Xampp and  SOAP and NWS all do that database automatically
2014-04-23 01:26 <Arielle_> i tried yesterday in phpadmin but  saw no way to "run" a command
2014-04-23 01:27 <smxy> I'm sure there's a way to do it in that, but I don't have it installed currently.
2014-04-23 01:41 <Plugh> A way to do what?
2014-04-23 01:42 <zadark> Arielle, withing phpmyadmin there is an SQL tab, open and type the ALTER TABLE etc there
2014-04-23 01:43 <Arielle_> do  i preceed the command with "Run:"
2014-04-23 01:43 <Arielle_> and do i need to change the config first??
2014-04-23 01:43 <zadark> no, it is a dialogue box, with a sample select command, replace that with the alter table stuff, then hit 'go'
2014-04-23 01:47 <Plugh> You don't need to do a manual alter table with phpmyadmin to set one for UTF-8.
2014-04-23 01:49 <zadark> PLugh, that way you would have to alter each varchar and text column
2014-04-23 01:49 <Arielle_> why not Plugh ?
2014-04-23 01:50 <zadark> mind you there are only 3
2014-04-23 01:52 <zadark> Arielle, select the im_offline table, then the structure tab. There you can change each column .
2014-04-23 01:52 <Arielle_> already did it it the other way
2014-04-23 01:53 <zadark> kk
2014-04-23 01:53 <Plugh> Arielle_: phpmyadmin has spots where you can change the collation for tables and fields. You don't have to manually enter a SQL command to do it.
2014-04-23 01:53 <Plugh> Check the Operations tab.
2014-04-23 01:53 <zadark> Does it matter?
2014-04-23 01:53 <Plugh> No, just different way to accomplish the same task.
2014-04-23 01:53 <Arielle_> im_offline table is now showing as  MYISAM utf8_general_ci
2014-04-23 01:54 <smxy> That's good.
2014-04-23 01:54 <Arielle_> ok reat thx
2014-04-23 01:54 <Arielle_> great^
2014-04-23 01:54 <smxy> but your my.cnf settings need to be correct too.
2014-04-23 01:54 <zadark> Well 3 ways to config using phpmyadmin
2014-04-23 01:56 <Arielle_> is tht the same as my.ini smxy?
2014-04-23 01:57 <Arielle_> and what needs to be changed there
2014-04-23 01:59 <zadark> Take a look at mantis 7123, in the comments is discusses smxy config
2014-04-23 02:11 <Arielle_> thx Zadark
2014-04-23 02:11 <zadark> Good to hear your sorted
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2014-04-23 02:27 <smxy> Arielle_: Yes, I think on windows the file is called my.ini instead.
2014-04-23 02:28 <smxy> Sorry, was away.
2014-04-23 02:46 <zadark> btw, seems as though changing collation at the table level only effects future created columns, and not existing ones.
2014-04-23 02:50 <zadark> Also, the tables for the core version of Profiles also has latin1 assigned to collation.
2014-04-23 02:52 <zadark> 
ACTION returns to hacking

2014-04-23 02:55 <smxy> Looking at my tables, a number of them have a utf8 charset and utf8 collaion tto, but not all have a collation specified.
2014-04-23 02:55 <smxy> I think I need to make a list of what's what.
2014-04-23 02:59 <zadark> Seems as though I have already changed the profiles tables here, think it was to accomodate ascii art.
2014-04-23 03:08 <zadark> Is this cool? I can HG from the internal private network to a public facing simulator, and can converse with avatars from other external grids. Power of iptables.
2014-04-23 03:17 <smxy> :)
2014-04-23 03:17 <smxy> Here's the mishmash of table types, charsets and collations that are in my database:
2014-04-23 03:17 <smxy> http://pastebin.com/Fsjm4kfz
2014-04-23 03:23 <smxy> I wonder if anyone has ever tried to put these tables in best normal form ...
2014-04-23 12:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #3495 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-23 12:06 <smxy> If it went to -dev or -users, I haven't seen it yet.
2014-04-23 12:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3495: SUCCESS in 3 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3495/
2014-04-23 12:09 <osjenkins> melanie: Test commit to trigger a mailing list update
2014-04-23 12:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #3496 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-23 12:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3496: SUCCESS in 3 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3496/
2014-04-23 12:13 <osjenkins> melanie: Reverting test change to cause another email
2014-04-23 13:15 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-23 13:17 <osmantis> Bug #7096:04 llSitTarget (and llLinkSitTarget) result in different position in opensim than in SecondLife 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7096 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-23 13:18 <osmantis> Bug #7126:04 [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Failed to post asset ... the server did not accept the asset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7126 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-23 13:20 <osmantis> Bug #7126:04 [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Failed to post asset ... the server did not accept the asset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7126 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-23 13:22 <osmantis> Bug #7126:04 Voluminous Error Messages on Console: [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Failed to post asset ... the server did not accept the asset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7126 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-23 13:46 <osmantis> Bug #7126:04 Voluminous Error Messages on Console: [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Failed to post asset ... the server did not accept the asset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7126 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-23 13:46 <osmantis> Bug #7126:04 Voluminous Error Messages on Console: [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Failed to post asset ... the server did not accept the asset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7126 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-04-23 14:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #3497 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-23 14:47 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-23 14:49 <smxy> orenh: For those of us who wish to switch all of our tables to utf8, should wa also make sure that they have a collation set and that it is utf8 as well? Or is the collation not needed if not present now?
2014-04-23 14:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3497: SUCCESS in 3 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3497/
2014-04-23 14:49 <osjenkins> * orenh: Changed table 'im_offline' to use UTF8 characters. This fixes a problem with Offline IM V2 (only relevant to MySQL).
2014-04-23 14:49 <osjenkins> * orenh: Workaround for SRAS: if Store Asset returns 'null' then assume the asset already exists, and this isn't an error
2014-04-23 14:49 <osjenkins> * orenh: Eliminated many warnings
2014-04-23 14:49 <osjenkins> * orenh: Eliminated 'Obsolete' warning: don't call do-nothing function SetPreviousAppearance()
2014-04-23 14:49 <osjenkins> * orenh: Removed GetUserInventory(). It wasn't being used, and was creating warnings because it's Obsolete.
2014-04-23 14:49 <osjenkins> * orenh: Removed references to Community.CsharpSqlite*.dll. This eliminates some warnings, and SQLite still works.
2014-04-23 14:49 <osjenkins> * orenh: Hypergrid: don't send Local assets to other grids
2014-04-23 14:49 <osjenkins> * orenh: Dynamic textures shouldn't be saved in the assets service (only in the simulator cache)
2014-04-23 14:49 <osmantis> Bug #7126:04 Voluminous Error Messages on Console: [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Failed to post asset ... the server did not accept the asset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7126 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-23 14:50 <orenh> I don't know, I just use whatever the default is
2014-04-23 14:50 <smxy> okay
2014-04-23 14:55 <smxy> orenh: I'm not sure whether this is related to any of your recent changes or not, but I've discovered that some of my teleport gates have started reporting that the destination doesn't exist, yet if I plug the address into the map, it's found and can be teleported to. Worse, absolutely nothing is logged at the console when the person tries to use the gate. The only indication anything 
2014-04-23 14:55 <smxy> happened is the not found message when you collide with the gate and the fact that you didn't TP. Just a heads up while I investigate it further, in case it rings any bells.
2014-04-23 14:56 <smxy> It was first reported to me this past weekend, but I'm not entirely sure when it started.
2014-04-23 14:59 <smxy> When I say nothing is logged at the console, it used to be that I'd see the attempt to connect to the remote grid and then the failure. I see nothing now. Just the viewer popup.
2014-04-23 15:11 <smxy> Further info: It seems that it's happening for every gate where the remote grid address doesn't specify a region - i.e., I'm trying to go to whatever they have designated as their default region.
2014-04-23 15:14 <smxy> It's definitely something that has changed since I last verified all my gates worked on March 5th, and probably much closer to now, as it's only been recently reported to me.
2014-04-23 15:15 <Arielle_> smxy is the region a varregion?
2014-04-23 15:15 <smxy> No
2014-04-23 15:16 <Arielle_> i been seeing issues on my varregion where suddenly it cannot find other regions on my grid
2014-04-23 15:16 <Arielle_> that was from march 29
2014-04-23 15:17 <smxy> I have to go to work now, but this evening I'll start debugging this. It's something to do with giving osTeleportAgent an http address that doesn't specify a region, only a server and port. It just instantly fails saying the address can't be found, while logging zip at the console.
2014-04-23 15:19 <zadark_zzz> smxy, try deleting the hyperlinks, re show hyperlinks / remove hyperlinks at the console. Just curious
2014-04-23 15:19 <smxy> It's a definite regression, as they are all failing that way if the address doesn't specify a region and they all worked on March 5th.
2014-04-23 15:21 <smxy> What's the syntax for removing a link? The help is hard to find
2014-04-23 15:21 <osmantis> Bug #7126:04 Voluminous Error Messages on Console: [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Failed to post asset ... the server did not accept the asset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7126 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2014-04-23 15:21 <smxy> found it
2014-04-23 15:23 <smxy> With no links, the behaviour is identical and nothing is linked or logged. Just an instant region blah not found popup in the viewer.
2014-04-23 15:24 <zadark_zzz> Good test, thanks. Enjoy work..
2014-04-23 15:24 <smxy> Gaes configured with addresses that specify a region, work fine still.
2014-04-23 15:24 <smxy> Gates*
2014-04-23 15:27 <nebadon_laptop> smxy did you change all your tables to UTF8? by chance?
2014-04-23 15:28 <orenh> smxy please create a Mantis for this, with steps on how to reproduce
2014-04-23 15:28 <smxy> Yes. I'll do that tonight, after work and a bit more debugging.
2014-04-23 15:49 <osmantis> Bug #7126:04 Voluminous Error Messages on Console: [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Failed to post asset ... the server did not accept the asset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7126 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-23 15:55 <osmantis> Bug #7127:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://inventory.ososgrid.org:80/helo/: Remote server returned an error: (404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7127 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-23 16:07 <osmantis> Bug #7127:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://inventory.ososgrid.org:80/helo/: Remote server returned an error: (404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-23 16:08 <osmantis> Bug #7127:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://inventory.ososgrid.org:80/helo/: Remote server returned an error: (404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-23 16:08 <osmantis> Bug #7127:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://inventory.ososgrid.org:80/helo/: Remote server returned an error: (404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7127 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-04-23 16:08 <osmantis> Bug #7126:04 Voluminous Error Messages on Console: [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Failed to post asset ... the server did not accept the asset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7126 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-23 16:09 <osmantis> Bug #7126:04 Voluminous Error Messages on Console: [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Failed to post asset ... the server did not accept the asset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7126 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-23 16:10 <osmantis> Bug #7128:04 Teleports to default region don't work. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7128 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-23 16:11 <smxy> orenh: There you go. Had a few minutes now. :)
2014-04-23 16:12 <osmantis> Bug #7127:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://inventory.ososgrid.org:80/helo/: Remote server returned an error: (404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-23 16:14 <osmantis> Bug #7127:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://inventory.ososgrid.org:80/helo/: Remote server returned an error: (404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-23 16:14 <osmantis> Bug #7128:04 Teleports to default region don't work. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7128 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-23 16:14 <osmantis> Bug #7128:04 Teleports to default region don't work. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7128 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-23 16:16 <osmantis> Bug #7128:04 Teleports to default region don't work. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7128 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-23 16:16 <smxy> Your [code] bracketing didn't seem to work. Can I somehow attach it so it doesn't get munged?
2014-04-23 16:18 <smxy> orenh: ^^
2014-04-23 16:18 <orenh> <pre> improved things, but not completely. it's fine
2014-04-23 16:18 <smxy> okay
2014-04-23 16:19 <velus> hey all
2014-04-23 16:19 <smxy> Basically, nothing after the final ; on the second line and a single space between the 2 and Hydra on the 3rd.
2014-04-23 16:20 <orenh> Yes, I saw that when I entered Edit mode. Annoying Mantis. Couldn't find how to prevent it from adding these auto-links. Not looking anymore; life's too short.
2014-04-23 16:20 <smxy> :)
2014-04-23 16:37 <osmantis> Bug #7124:04 Any user can cause parcel music stream to restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7124 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-23 16:37 <danbanner> ping Melanie_T
2014-04-23 16:37 <danbanner> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7124
2014-04-23 16:38 <Dev_Random> I believe I've almost finished a fix for that, danbanner
2014-04-23 16:39 <Dev_Random> cleaning up my code....
2014-04-23 16:39 <danbanner> ahh very nice
2014-04-23 16:40 <osmantis> Bug #7128:04 Teleports to default region don't work. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7128 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-23 16:40 <osmantis> Bug #7128:04 Teleports to default region don't work. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7128 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-04-23 16:41 <danbanner> melanie still needs to be aware tho as it is an issue on her grid too
2014-04-23 16:42 <danbanner> very easy for someone to screw up any dances or other events involving streaming
2014-04-23 16:43 <smxy> No one would ever do that. :)
2014-04-23 16:59 <Melanie_T> danbanner: pong
2014-04-23 16:59 <danbanner> pong
2014-04-23 17:00 <Melanie_T> so you found the annoyance with streams?
2014-04-23 17:01 <danbanner> yes
2014-04-23 17:01 <danbanner> are you in avn right now?
2014-04-23 17:01 <Melanie_T> what causes it?
2014-04-23 17:01 <danbanner> clicking in about land
2014-04-23 17:02 <Melanie_T> i meant, at packet level
2014-04-23 17:02 <danbanner> i have not looked in depth
2014-04-23 17:02 <danbanner> Dev_Random might already know
2014-04-23 17:03 <Dev_Random> LandObject.UpdateLandProperties sends an update every time even if nothing changed.
2014-04-23 17:03 <danbanner> ahh
2014-04-23 17:04 <osmantis> Bug #7127:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://inventory.ososgrid.org:80/helo/: Remote server returned an error: (404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-23 17:04 <Melanie_T> Dev_Random: but if someone has no rights to edit, the packet that they send should be ignored in the first palce
2014-04-23 17:04 <Dev_Random> but it isn't.. that's the trivial little patch I'm putting in...
2014-04-23 17:05 <Dev_Random> if (allowedDelta != 0)
2014-04-23 17:05 <osmantis> Bug #7127:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://inventory.ososgrid.org:80/helo/: Remote server returned an error: (404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-23 17:07 <osmantis> Bug #7127:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://inventory.ososgrid.org:80/helo/: Remote server returned an error: (404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-23 17:10 <osmantis> Bug #7124:04 [PATCH] Any user can cause parcel music stream to restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7124 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-04-23 17:11 <Plugh> Melanie_T: I got another request for someone who wants to use email in a grid. You said that avination uses a special mail server. Looking at the code I was thinking it would be easy to modify llEmail() to fetch the email address from the user account and use it as the To: address. Such behaviour should be controllable with an INI setting.
2014-04-23 17:20 <Melanie_T> Plugh: what is their exact intention?
2014-04-23 17:21 <Plugh> The same as all the requests I get. It is in support of their vendors.
2014-04-23 17:23 <Melanie_T> still doesnt answer my question
2014-04-23 17:24 <Melanie_T> avnation does a lot with email and it is now also all linked to our ios/android app
2014-04-23 17:24 <Melanie_T> so i do need to know what part of emailing is it they are missing and want to have?
2014-04-23 17:24 <Plugh> This latest request was different in that they were only needing inbound email. They also wanted a grid wide version of llGiveInventory().
2014-04-23 17:32 <Melanie_T> llGiveInventory IS gridwide
2014-04-23 17:32 <Melanie_T> if the destination is an avatar
2014-04-23 17:32 <Melanie_T> if it's an object, then not
2014-04-23 17:32 <H-H-H> thats what i thought :O
2014-04-23 17:33 <Melanie_T> inbound email, requires programming knowledge and knowledge of the MTA used
2014-04-23 17:33 <H-H-H> oops sorry wrong chan :|
2014-04-23 17:33 <Melanie_T> it is requird to run a full public MTA to have that work
2014-04-23 17:34 <H-H-H> also as i have said for object to object email as is the case for the networked vendors i use the opensim email module flyman did works fine
2014-04-23 17:37 <H-H-H> https://github.com/OS-Development/OpenSim.Email
2014-04-23 17:38 <smxy> orenh: If you need me to provide any further info or perform any additional debugging/testing, just let me know and I'll do whatever I can.
2014-04-23 17:42 <Aleric> Hey hey... menu / submenu (/submenu) encoding with m4! }:-)
2014-04-23 17:42 <Aleric> scripts>m4 -P troep.m4
2014-04-23 17:42 <Aleric> !LIST!4ByYAHbutton1YAHbutton2YAHbutton3YAHbutton44AzYAHbutton5YAOSubmenu prompt4AMYADsb1YADsb24AGYADsu1YAHbutton6YAHbutton7
2014-04-23 17:44 <Plugh> H-H-H: Thanks, I just grabbed a copy of it. I will look at it later.
2014-04-23 17:45 <Plugh> Melanie_T: Good to know that inbound is more involved but it doesn't answer my original question.
2014-04-23 17:45 <H-H-H> i did tell you about it before Plugh
2014-04-23 17:45 <Melanie_T> Plugh: your original question made no sense. it still doesn'
2014-04-23 17:45 <Plugh> H-H-H: Yea, I recall you did. I thought I had already grabbed a copy of it but I didn't see it. I have it now.
2014-04-23 17:46 <Melanie_T> i was trying to find the meaning of the question by asking your intent
2014-04-23 17:46 <Melanie_T> llEmail is not even remotely relayed to inbound email and user account emails have no connection to it either
2014-04-23 17:46 <Plugh> 
ACTION wonders why it is always so difficult to get an answer to a question

2014-04-23 17:46 <Plugh> Melanie_T: You've gone off on a tangent from my original question.
2014-04-23 17:46 <Melanie_T> <Plugh> Melanie_T: I got another request for someone who wants to use email in a grid. You said that avination uses a special mail server. Looking at the code I was thinking it would be easy to modify llEmail() to fetch the email address from the user account and use it as the To: address. Such behaviour should be controllable with an INI setting.
2014-04-23 17:47 <Melanie_T> this is what i perceived as the original question
2014-04-23 17:47 <Melanie_T> and the parts of it, email server, user account emails and llEmail, are all orthogonal to both others
2014-04-23 17:47 <Melanie_T> so this question makes no sense
2014-04-23 17:48 <Plugh> yes. We both know allowing llEmail is a route to major headaches. You made avination only allow outgoing email to a users registered email address. You used a custom mail solution to do that. I was looking at being able to restrict the outgoing email address without needing a full custom mail system.
2014-04-23 17:49 <Melanie_T> oh, that is actually the easy part
2014-04-23 17:49 <Melanie_T> the way to do it is to change the email module to retrieve the user account info of the user owning the prim
2014-04-23 17:50 <Melanie_T> then check if the email address in llEmail is either another prim or matches that user account's email
2014-04-23 17:50 <Melanie_T> deliver if it does, else drop it on the floor
2014-04-23 17:50 <Plugh> What the heck did you think I was trying to do in the first place?
2014-04-23 17:50 <Melanie_T> that part requires no MAT
2014-04-23 17:50 <Melanie_T> MTA*
2014-04-23 17:50 <Melanie_T> the part that made no sense was mentioning an MTA
2014-04-23 17:50 <Melanie_T> avination doesn't use an MTA for that particular feature
2014-04-23 17:50 <H-H-H> #ahh ty Melanie_T you just answered something i was scratching my head over :)
2014-04-23 17:50 <Melanie_T> we do that part just the way i told you above
2014-04-23 17:51 <Plugh> Melanie_T: You didn't tell me all the details of how you handled llEmail in Avination. You did mention that part of the solution used in Avination to allow use of llEmail involved an MTA.
2014-04-23 17:51 <Melanie_T> yes. the MTA handled inbound and app stuff
2014-04-23 17:52 <Melanie_T> handles*
2014-04-23 17:52 <Melanie_T> llEmail outbound is of course run through the same MTA
2014-04-23 17:52 <Plugh> You did not make that distinction when you mentioned the use of an MTA by Avination in relation to llEmail.
2014-04-23 17:52 <Melanie_T> but only for convenience
2014-04-23 17:52 <Melanie_T> most email receivers don't accept mail from addresses in RBLs and sim servers allowing email invariably end up on RBLs
2014-04-23 17:52 <osmantis> Bug #7127:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://inventory.ososgrid.org:80/helo/: Remote server returned an error: (404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-23 17:53 <Melanie_T> so after screening the email destination address, we do pass it to that MTA but you could use any other MTA willing to accept relay submissions from your sim servers
2014-04-23 17:54 <Aleric> Sounds like an MTA *is* needed for outbound, it just doesn't have to a special custom one ;)
2014-04-23 17:54 <Melanie_T> correct
2014-04-23 17:54 <Melanie_T> and it doesn't have to be one you own
2014-04-23 17:54 <Melanie_T> could in principle be rented at dyn
2014-04-23 17:55 <osmantis> Bug #7127:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://inventory.ososgrid.org:80/helo/: Remote server returned an error: (404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-23 17:58 <osmantis> Bug #7127:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://inventory.ososgrid.org:80/helo/: Remote server returned an error: (404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-23 18:03 <osmantis> Bug #7127:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://inventory.ososgrid.org:80/helo/: Remote server returned an error: (404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-23 18:20 <Plugh> 
ACTION wonders if hhe dare try getting back to his original idea/question

2014-04-23 18:28 <LiruCookies> What is an MTA?
2014-04-23 18:28 <smxy> Mail Transport Agent
2014-04-23 18:29 <LiruCookies> Ohduh, I've heard that before...
2014-04-23 18:29 <smxy> Like Sendmail, Postfix, etc..
2014-04-23 18:30 <LiruCookies> I kept thinking of the MTA Metropolitan Transport Authority
2014-04-23 18:32 <H-H-H> ok now we are all in trouble :|
2014-04-23 18:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #3498 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-23 18:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3498: FAILURE in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3498/
2014-04-23 18:37 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Adjust avatar sit positioning on a target to pretty much exactly match that of the LL grid.
2014-04-23 18:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #3499 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #3497 4 hr 3 min ago)
2014-04-23 18:52 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2014-04-23 18:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3499: FIXED in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3499/
2014-04-23 18:52 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix regression test break on previous commit 328bc3b
2014-04-23 18:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #3500 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2014-04-23 18:57 <osmantis> Bug #7096:04 llSitTarget (and llLinkSitTarget) result in different position in opensim than in SecondLife 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7096 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-23 18:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3500: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3500/
2014-04-23 18:58 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Prevent sending Land Properties for unprivileged users
2014-04-23 18:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #3501 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-23 19:00 <osmantis> Bug #7119:04 Abnormal execution times reported for InventoryWorkerThread0 and InventoryWorkerThread1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7119 ): has been CLOSED
2014-04-23 19:02 <osmantis> Bug #7044:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams, llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast, llGetLinkPrimitiveParams do not work CORRECTLY on avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7044 ): has been CLOSED
2014-04-23 19:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3501: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3501/
2014-04-23 19:02 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Remove unused System.Linq reference and use ParcelFlags.None instead of 0 from previous commit cb1f28
2014-04-23 19:03 <osmantis> Bug #7124:04 [PATCH] Any user can cause parcel music stream to restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7124 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-23 19:14 <osmantis> Bug #7016:04 Object loses name, owner, creator properties, ability to be deleted, etc. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7016 ): has been CLOSED
2014-04-23 19:16 <osmantis> Bug #6778:04 Profile service spitting out an error for some HG visitors. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6778 ): has been CLOSED
2014-04-23 22:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #3502 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-23 22:04 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION cries a little... 

2014-04-23 22:04 <justincc> I thought I'd already done that, oops
2014-04-23 22:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3502: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3502/
2014-04-23 22:07 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: Add Dev Random to CONTRIBUTORS.txt, thanks for the patches!
2014-04-23 22:16 <justincc> Dev_Random: thanks for all the recent patches btw, nice bug fixes
2014-04-23 22:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #3503 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-23 22:31 <smxy> He and orenh, both.
2014-04-23 22:31 <Melanie_T> that latest one, does it only affect stats or also the viewer ?
2014-04-23 22:31 <justincc> only console command
2014-04-23 22:32 <Melanie_T> justincc: here's something i've been thinking about
2014-04-23 22:33 <osmantis> Bug #7115:04 [PATCH] Unknown UserUMMTGUN9 shows for owner of group owned land parcel in OpenSim.exe console for "land show" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7115 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-23 22:33 <Melanie_T> region server ports - we usually register handlers to URLs on the main server
2014-04-23 22:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3503: SUCCESS in 3 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3503/
2014-04-23 22:33 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Show Group name when land is group-owned
2014-04-23 22:33 <Melanie_T> i'm thinking along the line of having several "servers", e.g. http/https ports
2014-04-23 22:33 <Melanie_T> and some generic way to request a servier to add urls to
2014-04-23 22:34 <Melanie_T> the idea is to define things like a public port, a utility port and a private port
2014-04-23 22:34 <Melanie_T> and assign things, like teleports, viewer, etc -> public
2014-04-23 22:34 <Melanie_T> json stats and similar -> utility
2014-04-23 22:35 <Melanie_T> and management or confidential stuff -> private port
2014-04-23 22:35 <Melanie_T> so firewalling can be used to protect individual functionality from sypying or attack
2014-04-23 22:35 <Melanie_T> what do you think?
2014-04-23 22:37 <justincc> Why would you need a separate utility port?
2014-04-23 22:38 <Melanie_T> it's just an example
2014-04-23 22:38 <Melanie_T> here is what i'm thinking:
2014-04-23 22:38 <Melanie_T> [HttpPorts]
2014-04-23 22:38 <Melanie_T> Default = 9000
2014-04-23 22:38 <Melanie_T> Whatever = 9100
2014-04-23 22:38 <Melanie_T> WhateverElse = 9200
2014-04-23 22:39 <Melanie_T> and in the services
2014-04-23 22:39 <Melanie_T> like stats
2014-04-23 22:39 <Melanie_T> [JsonStats]
2014-04-23 22:39 <Melanie_T> Port = "Whatever"
2014-04-23 22:39 <Melanie_T> all optional
2014-04-23 22:39 <dahlia> Id prefer to not have to configure more ports
2014-04-23 22:39 <Melanie_T> to use the main server if nothing is specified
2014-04-23 22:39 <justincc> so request would be for "public" or "private" rather than a specific port?
2014-04-23 22:39 <Melanie_T> yes
2014-04-23 22:40 <justincc> sounds like a good idea to me
2014-04-23 22:40 <Melanie_T> i think naming ports and assigning services to names is more manageable
2014-04-23 22:40 <dahlia> how about an alternative, have a service be able to check the requestor against a valid user list?
2014-04-23 22:40 <Melanie_T> dahlia: impracticable
2014-04-23 22:40 <Melanie_T> worst case, you've already received the explitative packet and crashed
2014-04-23 22:40 <Melanie_T> also, duplication of security code all over
2014-04-23 22:40 <Melanie_T> let the firewall do what the firewall does best
2014-04-23 22:41 <dahlia> I dont see that as any more impractical than having to configure more ports
2014-04-23 22:41 <Melanie_T> yo don't have to
2014-04-23 22:41 <justincc> In general though, I'm not 100% comfortable with security through port firewalling.  It's so easy for a novice user to expose the wrong ports
2014-04-23 22:41 <dahlia> well no problem if I dont need more ports
2014-04-23 22:41 <Melanie_T> justincc: this is not for novices. it's for grids where the admins know what they're doing
2014-04-23 22:41 <Melanie_T> our base system is secure enough for novices without that
2014-04-23 22:42 <Melanie_T> as people grow into it, they can explore the options
2014-04-23 22:42 <Melanie_T> port firewalling is the only thing that can guard against things like the short packet exploit regionc rasher
2014-04-23 22:42 <justincc> well, even at the moment, if someone exposes the private robust service port they are opening themselves up for problems they ,may not expect
2014-04-23 22:42 <Melanie_T> precisely
2014-04-23 22:43 <Melanie_T> running grids requires some expertise in network management
2014-04-23 22:43 <dahlia> having an access allow/deny list keeps the configuration in one place; admins would only need to configure opensim, not opensim and a firewall
2014-04-23 22:43 <justincc> true
2014-04-23 22:43 <Melanie_T> people who do that are usually comfortable with firewalls
2014-04-23 22:43 <dahlia> usually != always
2014-04-23 22:43 <Melanie_T> dahlia, you'd be asking to add lots of redundant code in lots of places and still not achieve the intent - which is to protect opensim from harmful packets
2014-04-23 22:44 <smxy> Or they have coworkers who are.
2014-04-23 22:44 <dahlia> Melanie_T: its only redundant if coded that way
2014-04-23 22:44 <Melanie_T> there was an exploit where you could use a unix command line tool to crash a sim, unconditionally and without any access tokens
2014-04-23 22:44 <Melanie_T> i patched that a while ago but there are sure to be more
2014-04-23 22:45 <Melanie_T> also, there are sophisticated tools for managing server groups' firewalls
2014-04-23 22:45 <Melanie_T> there are no such tools for managing a homebrew solution
2014-04-23 22:45 <dahlia> one could probably crash a sim with a unix command line tool if *any* services were exposed
2014-04-23 22:46 <Melanie_T> i'm very unixish in my thinking and believe the tool better suited to the task should be used. the firewall is better suited by definition as that is all it does and it does it well
2014-04-23 22:46 <dahlia> maybe not crashed, but certainly DOSed
2014-04-23 22:47 <justincc> I expect there are a ton of ways to ddos at the moment
2014-04-23 22:47 <Melanie_T> if you want user based security, there are lots of wrappers that can give you that for a specific port - i prefer building stacks to building clusterf...s
2014-04-23 22:47 <Melanie_T> justincc: ddos can't be prevented - not even with something like apache
2014-04-23 22:47 <dahlia> access lists aren't necessarily something that only exist in firewalls in common practice
2014-04-23 22:48 <Melanie_T> but the exploit i mean, i fount it and never reported it
2014-04-23 22:48 <justincc> I think the scope can be reduced.  But yets, it's a tough problem
2014-04-23 22:48 <Melanie_T> it was too easy to exploit so i pushed a fix in a misleadingly named commit
2014-04-23 22:48 <Melanie_T> to make it go away before someone else found it
2014-04-23 22:49 <Melanie_T> it was an instant hard crash sending a packet of 3 bytes length, beginning with 0x40, to the region UDP port
2014-04-23 22:50 <dahlia> doesnt surprise me
2014-04-23 22:50 <Melanie_T> anyway, i'll think this through a bit and then we'll see
2014-04-23 22:50 <dahlia> but you were talking about http
2014-04-23 22:50 <justincc> at least these are just region crashes.  I hate to think of the buffer overruns we coul dhave if this stuff was in c or c++
2014-04-23 22:50 <Melanie_T> "just" region crashes are deadly if your customers pay for them to be up
2014-04-23 22:50 <justincc> true, or you're trying to run a conference, class, etc.
2014-04-23 22:52 <dahlia> well Im not opposed to being able to specify alternative ports, as long as it continues to be able to funcion as it has with the single port
2014-04-23 22:52 <Melanie_T> that is the intention
2014-04-23 22:52 <justincc> I think there is a need for a private port concept on simulators.  At the moment, stats are on the wrong port
2014-04-23 22:52 <Melanie_T> there are a lot of services where it doesn't make sense to even be able to move them
2014-04-23 22:52 <Melanie_T> anything that talks to the viewer
2014-04-23 22:52 <Melanie_T> and maybe others
2014-04-23 22:53 <Melanie_T> there will always be a default port
2014-04-23 22:53 <Melanie_T> and anything not explicitly told will go to it
2014-04-23 22:53 <dahlia> its possible to open a http listener on another port already, Ive done it before on private modules
2014-04-23 22:53 <Melanie_T> yes but right now all modules wanting to do that need their own config item, numeric
2014-04-23 22:53 <justincc> it would be easier if there were a "private" port where you didn't need to know the particular code invocation to use that
2014-04-23 22:53 <justincc> yeah
2014-04-23 22:54 <Melanie_T> when you run centralized confgurations, that is a lot of region server specific stuff
2014-04-23 22:54 <justincc> but yes, should still retain the flexibilty for modules to use some other port if they want
2014-04-23 22:54 <Melanie_T> rather than having the magic numbers in one places
2014-04-23 22:54 <Melanie_T> and symbolic refs everywhere else
2014-04-23 22:54 <justincc> which is what I think Melanie_T is saying
2014-04-23 22:55 <Melanie_T> what i'm saying is that right now i have a powerful stateful packet inspection-capable firewall essentially idle
2014-04-23 22:55 <Melanie_T> because it can't filter the opensim traffic - it's all on one port
2014-04-23 22:55 <dahlia> well BasHttpServer and its descendents sometimes dont work as well as one would prefer for some applications, so opening another port pretty much needs to happen
2014-04-23 22:55 <Melanie_T> dahlia: you may be bitten by the mono 2 connection bug
2014-04-23 22:55 <justincc> Melanie_T: if you're using stateful inspection why would it matter what port the traffic is on, ecept for cutting out the 'private' traffic
2014-04-23 22:55 <Melanie_T> i fixed it in opensim but it can still cause issues
2014-04-23 22:55 <dahlia> Melanie_T: no its not that
2014-04-23 22:56 <Melanie_T> justincc: there is no iptables filter for opensim, like there is, for instance, for IRC
2014-04-23 22:57 <dahlia> Melanie_T: well Im not sure I know what the "mono 2 connection bug" is. I know Ive had more than 2 simultaneous http connections from the same client in the past
2014-04-23 22:57 <dahlia> so no idea if ive been bitten by it
2014-04-23 22:58 <dahlia> but anyway, thats not what I was refering to
2014-04-24 00:25 <smxy> Hmmm. This would suggest we should replace all CHARs by VARCHARs, in our DBs:
2014-04-24 00:25 <smxy> Tip: To save space with UTF-8, use VARCHAR instead of CHAR. Otherwise, MySQL must reserve three (or four) bytes for each character in a CHAR CHARACTER SET utf8 (or utf8mb4) column because that is the maximum possible length. For example, MySQL must reserve 40 bytes for a CHAR(10) CHARACTER SET utf8mb4 column.
2014-04-24 00:26 <Melanie_T> any char greater than char(6) is internally stored as varchar anyway
2014-04-24 00:26 <Melanie_T> in the future, if you post "tips
2014-04-24 00:27 <Melanie_T> please also post the source (link) so people can judge the veracity of the "tip"
2014-04-24 00:27 <smxy> It's right from the MySQL documentation.
2014-04-24 00:27 <smxy> https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.5/en/charset-unicode-utf8mb4.html
2014-04-24 00:27 <smxy> There you are. :)
2014-04-24 00:28 <Melanie_T> thanks
2014-04-24 00:28 <smxy> I just checked and the 5.7 page is identical.
2014-04-24 00:28 <Melanie_T> it doesn't jibe with prior knowledge
2014-04-24 00:28 <smxy> You're welcome.
2014-04-24 00:28 <Melanie_T> which is that mysql will handle char(x) where x> 6 as varchar(x)
2014-04-24 00:28 <Melanie_T> because the minimum lenght (overhead) of varchar is 6
2014-04-24 00:29 <Melanie_T> so char(x) is only a gain if x <= 6
2014-04-24 00:29 <Melanie_T> obviously, the page may refer to page allocations
2014-04-24 00:29 <Melanie_T> that would impact storage space rather than performance
2014-04-24 00:29 <Melanie_T> we're not really concerned about storage space as HD space is cheap
2014-04-24 00:30 <smxy> I'm switching my DB to utf8mb4, so I was thinking I might change all CHARs to VARCHARs, while I'm at it.
2014-04-24 00:33 <Melanie_T> well, do your math
2014-04-24 00:33 <Melanie_T> varchar = 6 + char count ( * 4 )
2014-04-24 00:33 <Melanie_T> char = char count ( * 4 )
2014-04-24 00:34 <Melanie_T> if you KNOW a field will be longer than 2 chars and NEVER null
2014-04-24 00:34 <Melanie_T> then varchar may be an option
2014-04-24 00:34 <Melanie_T> single character fields are better off as char
2014-04-24 00:34 <Melanie_T> as are nullable fields where less than 25% of the rows have a value
2014-04-24 00:35 <Melanie_T> in all other cases varchar may be better
2014-04-24 00:35 <Melanie_T> however, you may want to leave the UUID colummns latin1
2014-04-24 00:35 <Melanie_T> and char(36)
2014-04-24 00:35 <smxy> Why?
2014-04-24 00:35 <Melanie_T> they will nnever contain unicode chars
2014-04-24 00:35 <Melanie_T> many other cols won't, either
2014-04-24 00:36 <smxy> Won't hurt to change them.
2014-04-24 00:36 <Melanie_T> nothing that isn't user input will contain unicode as opensim doesn't generate unicode on it's own
2014-04-24 00:36 <Melanie_T> well, 36chars or 4 times 36 chars
2014-04-24 00:36 <Melanie_T> if you wat to waste 108 bytes per row, be my guest
2014-04-24 00:37 <Melanie_T> rather, per field per row
2014-04-24 00:37 <Melanie_T> also why use a type that uses 4 bytes always?
2014-04-24 00:37 <Melanie_T> use utf-8
2014-04-24 00:37 <Melanie_T> you're better off that way
2014-04-24 00:37 <smxy> their point is if you leave it a char and go to ut48mb4 it would grow by 4, yes, but if it's a varchar it won't unless it needs to.
2014-04-24 00:38 <Melanie_T> wrong
2014-04-24 00:38 <smxy> no, utf8mb4 uses 1-4 as needed.
2014-04-24 00:38 <Melanie_T> if you have a char as itf-8 or utf8mb4 it will grow by 4
2014-04-24 00:38 <Melanie_T> but if you have avarchar as a utf-8 it will use the number of bytes a utf8 takes
2014-04-24 00:38 <Melanie_T> as a utf8mb4 it will ALWAUS use 4 bytes per char
2014-04-24 00:39 <smxy> NO it will not.
2014-04-24 00:39 <Melanie_T> sure?
2014-04-24 00:39 <smxy> it will use 1-4 as needed.
2014-04-24 00:39 <Melanie_T> mysql may interpret this different from the unicode defs
2014-04-24 00:39 <Melanie_T> i would call it utf8
2014-04-24 00:39 <Melanie_T> that's a defined standard
2014-04-24 00:39 <Melanie_T> personally, i don't like unicode
2014-04-24 00:40 <Melanie_T> it's the best of a bad bunch
2014-04-24 00:40 <Melanie_T> but i'd rather have migrated to utf-16
2014-04-24 00:40 <Melanie_T> i would prefer to have a fixed har-to-byte ratio
2014-04-24 00:41 <Melanie_T> utf-8 is a basterd
2014-04-24 00:41 <Melanie_T> desined to somewhat coexist with legacy systems
2014-04-24 00:43 <diva> I'm seeing a lof of exceptions on asset fetch now. Too bad orehn is not around
2014-04-24 00:43 <Melanie_T> did he actually go and commit that abomination of a concept?
2014-04-24 00:44 <diva> I"m not sure
2014-04-24 00:44 <Melanie_T> or is that just because of the 0/null thing?
2014-04-24 00:44 <diva> I'm huessing something happened, because I just ran my normal test opensim and I'm seeing exceptions that I have never seen
2014-04-24 00:45 <diva> lots of them
2014-04-24 00:45 <Melanie_T> basically, the asset subsytem needs to present an error-free interface to opensim
2014-04-24 00:45 <Melanie_T> nothing else is acceptable
2014-04-24 00:45 <Melanie_T> the asset subsystem needs to resolve any error conditions within itself
2014-04-24 00:45 <Melanie_T> letting the upper layers see no errors
2014-04-24 00:45 <Melanie_T> because they're not equipped to handle them
2014-04-24 00:46 <Melanie_T> his last post in the ML was what i read as that he woud not commit that code
2014-04-24 00:47 <smxy> I think he only did the 0/null part, though there are a number of people who think he should do the rest.
2014-04-24 00:47 <diva> what's that 0/null part?
2014-04-24 00:47 <Melanie_T> smxy: that would break opensim for a year or more
2014-04-24 00:47 <Melanie_T> so i would use a core member veto
2014-04-24 00:47 <Melanie_T> this is worth it
2014-04-24 00:48 <Melanie_T> diva: UGAIM used to return NULL
2014-04-24 00:48 <Melanie_T> rather than false
2014-04-24 00:48 <Melanie_T> so there was/is code to (mis-)handle a null return
2014-04-24 00:48 <Melanie_T> marked as support for legacy asset servers
2014-04-24 00:49 <Melanie_T> yet there may be unintended consequences as more parts of the system may have depended ont he erroneous return codes
2014-04-24 00:49 <diva> I'm getting tons of these upon startup: http://pastebin.com/0eiRYAT2
2014-04-24 00:50 <Melanie_T> basically, oren proposed to stopt he asset connector from catching and handling exceptions
2014-04-24 00:50 <diva> that partiular line is a FireAndForget
2014-04-24 00:50 <Melanie_T> letting them hit uper levels
2014-04-24 00:50 <Melanie_T> that means essentially try/catch blocks to ignore the exceptions would have to be placed at all calls to the asset service
2014-04-24 00:50 <Melanie_T> as there is no way to handle asset fails gracefully
2014-04-24 00:51 <Melanie_T> and alerting the user is not an option becuse it would paint a picture of opensim being terminall broken compared to SL, which does implement an error-free interface
2014-04-24 00:51 <diva> I haven't changed anything. I just pullled and ran my usual test sim, and I'm seeing tons of those exceptions
2014-04-24 00:51 <Melanie_T> diva, what you posted is meaingless
2014-04-24 00:52 <diva> there's a line #
2014-04-24 00:52 <Melanie_T> exception dumps mean nothi g if not complete
2014-04-24 00:52 <diva> that's what I'm seeing
2014-04-24 00:52 <Melanie_T> please post the whole dump
2014-04-24 00:53 <Melanie_T> this doesn't tell me what type of exceptiona nd no back stack
2014-04-24 00:53 <Melanie_T> one line is pointless
2014-04-24 00:53 <diva> that's all I get. Let me grab the entire portion of the log
2014-04-24 00:55 <diva> http://pastebin.com/1h9W3Y30
2014-04-24 00:55 <diva> they happen in BUllet too
2014-04-24 00:55 <diva> this is all the info that is in the log
2014-04-24 00:55 <Melanie_T> that is not an error
2014-04-24 00:56 <Melanie_T> it's just some fascist logging that, if i ever merge this to avn, i will have to remove
2014-04-24 00:56 <diva> wth?
2014-04-24 00:56 <Melanie_T> there is no need to log every damn fire and forget
2014-04-24 00:56 <diva> who the hell added that log?
2014-04-24 00:56 <Melanie_T>                     if (threadInfo.LogThread)
2014-04-24 00:56 <Melanie_T>                     {
2014-04-24 00:56 <Melanie_T>                         m_log.DebugFormat("Queue threadfunc {0} (Queued {1}, Running {2}) {3}{4}",
2014-04-24 00:56 <Melanie_T>                             threadFuncNum, numQueued, numRunningThreadFuncs,
2014-04-24 00:56 <Melanie_T>                             (context == null) ? "" : ("(" + context + ") "),
2014-04-24 00:56 <Melanie_T>                             (LogThreadPool >= 2) ? full : partial);
2014-04-24 00:56 <Melanie_T>                     }
2014-04-24 00:57 <diva> sigh
2014-04-24 00:57 <Melanie_T> 84d7227d (Oren Hurvitz 2014-01-16 15:08:45 +0200 2198)
2014-04-24 00:57 <diva> is tat on by default?
2014-04-24 00:59 <Melanie_T> he messed up
2014-04-24 00:59 <Melanie_T> he's not checking "loggingEnabled"
2014-04-24 00:59 <Melanie_T> for this particlar case
2014-04-24 00:59 <Melanie_T> so this case and this case only is spammmed all over the place
2014-04-24 00:59 <Melanie_T> i fixed it
2014-04-24 00:59 <Melanie_T> just doing the test compile
2014-04-24 01:00 <diva> cool! thanks
2014-04-24 01:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #3504 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-24 01:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3504: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3504/
2014-04-24 01:12 <osjenkins> melanie: Apply logging flag to a spammy message that may have been overlooked.
2014-04-24 01:25 <osmantis> Bug #7129:04 osNpcSit on prim does not immediately sit the avatar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7129 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-24 02:38 <osmantis> Bug #5900:04 Group Tag permissions not taking effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5900 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-04-24 05:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #3505 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-24 05:23 <osmantis> Bug #7128:04 Teleports to default region don't work. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7128 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-24 05:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3505: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3505/
2014-04-24 05:25 <osjenkins> * orenh: Removed unused CsharpSqlite DLLs
2014-04-24 05:25 <osjenkins> * orenh: Fixed: hypergrid-linking stopped accepting the following format: "http://grid.example.com" (without a region name)
2014-04-24 10:29 <osmantis> Bug #7127:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://inventory.ososgrid.org:80/helo/: Remote server returned an error: (404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-24 10:45 <osmantis> Bug #7127:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://inventory.ossgrid.org:80/helo/: Remote server returned an error: (404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7127 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-24 10:46 <osmantis> Bug #7127:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://inventory.ossgrid.org:80/helo/: Remote server returned an error: (404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7127 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-24 12:25 <smxy> orenh: Updating now - thanks! Any idea how long it's been broken, out of curiosity?
2014-04-24 12:37 <smxy> ... and my gates work once more. Thanks, again.
2014-04-24 12:54 <orenh> smxy since April 13
2014-04-24 12:55 <smxy> That's not too long.
2014-04-24 12:56 <smxy> Thanks for fixing it up. 
2014-04-24 12:56 <osmantis> Bug #7128:04 Teleports to default region don't work. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7128 ): has been CLOSED
2014-04-24 13:05 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): has been CLOSED
2014-04-24 13:41 <osmantis> Bug #7125:04 "show in search" can become unchecked for no reason 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7125 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-24 14:02 <osmantis> Bug #7125:04 "show in search" can become unchecked for no reason 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7125 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-24 14:28 <osmantis> Bug #7130:04 Asset database growing with very many instances of terrainImage_uuid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7130 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-24 14:28 <osmantis> Bug #7130:04 Asset database growing with very many instances of terrainImage_uuid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7130 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-24 14:34 <osmantis> Bug #7130:04 Asset database growing with very many instances of terrainImage_uuid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7130 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-24 14:47 <osmantis> Bug #7130:04 Asset database growing with very many instances of terrainImage_uuid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7130 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-24 14:54 <osmantis> Bug #7130:04 Asset database growing with very many instances of terrainImage_uuid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7130 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-24 14:56 <osmantis> Bug #7130:04 Asset database growing with very many instances of terrainImage_uuid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7130 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-24 14:57 <osmantis> Bug #7130:04 Asset database growing with very many instances of terrainImage_uuid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7130 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-24 14:58 <osmantis> Bug #7130:04 Asset database growing with very many instances of terrainImage_uuid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7130 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-24 15:00 <osmantis> Bug #7130:04 Asset database growing with very many instances of terrainImage_uuid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7130 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-24 15:03 <osmantis> Bug #7130:04 Asset database growing with very many instances of terrainImage_uuid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7130 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-24 15:25 <diva> Melanie_T: what part of the code is executed when the god-powered aviw does "Force owner Permissive"? I can't find anything...
2014-04-24 15:33 <diva> Melanie_T I found it but now I have a question about changing permissions. Ping me when you're back
2014-04-24 15:39 <osmantis> Bug #7111:04 Fixed Estate Time does not show in viewer until World -> Region Details menu entered. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7111 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-24 15:39 <osmantis> Bug #7111:04 Fixed Estate Time does not show in viewer until World -> Region Details menu entered. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7111 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-24 15:39 <osmantis> Bug #7111:04 Fixed Estate Time does not show in viewer until World -> Region Details menu entered. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7111 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-24 15:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #3506 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-24 15:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3506: FAILURE in 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3506/
2014-04-24 15:59 <osjenkins> * orenh: When sending JSON-RPC calls (for UserProfile), use WebUtil instead of constructing the HTTP requests manually. This allows the calls to be logged when using "debug http all 6".
2014-04-24 15:59 <osjenkins> * orenh: Refactored: moved OpenProfileClient to a location where it can be used by both the Simulators and Robust
2014-04-24 15:59 <osjenkins> * orenh: Changed how UserProfile performs a fallback call using the OpenProfile API, because now JsonRpcRequest() returns an error result instead of throwing an exception
2014-04-24 15:59 <osjenkins> * orenh: - Created a standard function to send XML-RPC requests, which logs them like we do for other types of HTTP activity.
2014-04-24 15:59 <osjenkins> * orenh: When linking a Hypergrid region, set the region's flags on the in-memory GridRegion immediately.
2014-04-24 16:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #3507 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #3505 10 hr ago)
2014-04-24 16:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3507: STILL FAILING in 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3507/
2014-04-24 16:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #3508 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #3505 10 hr ago)
2014-04-24 16:13 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2014-04-24 16:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3508: FIXED in 3 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3508/
2014-04-24 16:13 <osjenkins> orenh: Revert "When linking a Hypergrid region, set the region's flags on the in-memory GridRegion immediately."
2014-04-24 17:35 <diva> Melanie_T I have a fix for the permissions nightmare we had at the conference center, but would like to confirm with you before I push it.
2014-04-24 20:49 <Melanie_T> diva: can you let me see it, and what was the permissions nightmare?
2014-04-24 20:49 <Melanie_T> i'm not going to be here in IRC for the next hours or so
2014-04-24 20:49 <Melanie_T> but will be on skype
2014-04-24 20:49 <Melanie_T> another machine that has no IRC installed
2014-04-24 21:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #3509 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2014-04-24 21:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3509: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3509/
2014-04-24 21:16 <osjenkins> diva: Fixes a long-standing bug related to god-mode change ownership of objects permissive, where the permissions of the children prims' inventory items were not changed. As a consequence, we couldn't control some of the objects imported via HG and OARs even in god mode.
2014-04-24 21:39 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar on login on OSGrid add-on regions - with difference in handling an attachment with unknown user creator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-24 22:45 <osmantis> Bug #7076:04 Terrrain module not checking bounds on elevation. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7076 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-24 22:46 <osmantis> Bug #7076:04 Terrrain module not checking bounds on elevation. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7076 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-24 23:09 <FranziskaBossi> eep
2014-04-24 23:09 <FranziskaBossi> have a big problem
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2014-04-24 23:10 <smxy> Unless you can be more specific, I don't see you getting much help ... :)
2014-04-24 23:10 <FranziskaBossi> using windows 8,1 pro 64 bit and have my sims to metropolis but i cannot get it online because xengine errors and overheading cpu
2014-04-24 23:10 <FranziskaBossi> maybe not compiled to that?
2014-04-24 23:10 <justincc> if youre cpu is overheating then that's the cause of *all* your problems...
2014-04-24 23:10 <smxy> aye
2014-04-24 23:10 <FranziskaBossi> its new
2014-04-24 23:10 <FranziskaBossi> new cooler
2014-04-24 23:10 <FranziskaBossi> all new
2014-04-24 23:10 <FranziskaBossi> 8 core
2014-04-24 23:10 <smxy> So? It's not right. Fix that first.
2014-04-24 23:11 <Dev_Random> LSL infinite loop?
2014-04-24 23:11 <FranziskaBossi> huh
2014-04-24 23:11 <FranziskaBossi> if i am not starting opensim all ok
2014-04-24 23:11 <FranziskaBossi> hehe
2014-04-24 23:12 <smxy> Instead of chuckling, you might pastebin some of the errors.
2014-04-24 23:16 <smxy> Don't IM me, if you want help, ask here in the main channel.
2014-04-24 23:16 <justincc> or not :)
2014-04-24 23:16 <smxy> Heh.
2014-04-24 23:17 <smxy> *shrug*
2014-04-24 23:17 <justincc> 
ACTION agrees

2014-04-24 23:17 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION erases his question about CPU going to 100%

2014-04-24 23:19 <Dev_Random> justincc:  did you take a look at http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7125 ?
2014-04-24 23:19 <Dev_Random> I can make the "show in search" disappear.. but I can't track it further.
2014-04-24 23:20 <justincc> curious
2014-04-24 23:20 <Melanie_T> how do you make it disappear?
2014-04-24 23:20 <Melanie_T> i've been hunting this one but i have no repro
2014-04-24 23:20 <Dev_Random> looks like it might be viewer related... viewer not displaying perms as sent, and then sending back changes
2014-04-24 23:20 <Dev_Random> details in the mantis "Steps to reproduce"
2014-04-24 23:21 <Melanie_T> oh
2014-04-24 23:21 <Melanie_T> it's all clear then
2014-04-24 23:21 <Dev_Random> heh
2014-04-24 23:22 <Melanie_T> in SL, estate owners cannot set that flag on behalf of users
2014-04-24 23:22 <Melanie_T> becuse it incurs costs to the user not the estate owner
2014-04-24 23:22 <Melanie_T> so if the viewer determines that you don't have permission to change the show in search flag, it will not send it's value
2014-04-24 23:22 <Melanie_T> we accept that as a value change
2014-04-24 23:23 <Dev_Random> so is the bug the fact that estate owners have that permission in OS?
2014-04-24 23:23 <Melanie_T> yes
2014-04-24 23:24 <Melanie_T> the flag setting should not be applied unless one is ofner or has that right through groups
2014-04-24 23:24 <Melanie_T> i'm pinging liru in singu dev
2014-04-24 23:24 <Melanie_T> to confirm and dig out the exacpt parameters the serverside filter needs to check
2014-04-24 23:31 <Melanie_T> first datapoint - we should not accept that flags as set if a parcel is < 128sqm
2014-04-24 23:32 <Melanie_T> unless the change is to turn search OFF
2014-04-24 23:32 <Melanie_T> that we should honor, depending on ownership
2014-04-24 23:32 <Melanie_T> more data coming
2014-04-24 23:37 <justincc> ok, rest time for me.  Goodnight.
2014-04-24 23:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #3510 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-24 23:57 <Dev_Random> That's WAY faster than if I'd tried to do it.
2014-04-24 23:59 <Melanie_T> well, i have help
2014-04-25 00:00 <Melanie_T> there is a distinct advantage to being able to ask a viewer team
2014-04-25 00:00 <Melanie_T> also, there was a companion bug in singu
2014-04-25 00:00 <Dev_Random> I was watching... I lurk there.
2014-04-25 00:00 <Melanie_T> it will likely be "foxed" in the next alpha
2014-04-25 00:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3510: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3510/
2014-04-25 00:00 <osjenkins> melanie: Adjust permissions to work hand in hand with what the viewer believes they are.
2014-04-25 00:24 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar on login on OSGrid add-on regions - with difference in handling an attachment with unknown user creator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-04-25 01:04 <LiruCookies> Melanie_T: Foxed!
2014-04-25 01:06 <Melanie_T> :)
2014-04-25 02:03 <osmantis> Bug #5900:04 Group Tag permissions not taking effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5900 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-04-25 11:28 <danbanner> looks like websites screwed up again
2014-04-25 12:36 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar on login on OSGrid add-on regions - with difference in handling an attachment with unknown user creator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-25 12:49 <osmantis> Bug #7131:04 Avatar names shows with @grid:port even on login to home grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7131 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-25 13:05 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-25 13:24 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar forever on login on OSGrid add-on regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-25 13:42 <osmantis> Bug #7131:04 Avatar names shows with @grid:port even on login to home grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7131 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-25 13:52 <osmantis> Bug #7131:04 Avatar names shows with @grid:port even on login to home grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7131 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-25 14:01 <osmantis> Bug #7131:04 Avatar names shows with @grid:port even on login to home grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7131 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-25 14:17 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar forever on login on OSGrid add-on regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-25 17:31 <smxy> Does the physics engine have anything to do with whether or not the collion_start and touch_start events fire or not?
2014-04-25 17:31 <smxy> I would think yes, yes?
2014-04-25 17:34 <smxy> They just periodically stop working. A region restart fixes it. I've never seen anything logged that suggests something has broken or 'gone bad'. I can't make it happen, and the time from restart to next occurrence varies wildly. It's been happeneing for over a year and I'm at a loss trying to understand what's going on.
2014-04-25 17:36 <smxy> I *think*, but can't swear, that it started after I switched to Bulletsim. Also, I remember thinking that it might be state corruption, as I used to not restart scripts from scratch on every restart, but that didn't make it start working one time, so I switched to always having them start up fresh and now a restart always fixes it for a while.
2014-04-25 17:47 <Dev_Random> smxy: do all your scripts stop working at once?  or is it random scripts that stop working?
2014-04-25 17:54 <smxy> All at once.
2014-04-25 17:55 <smxy> All the gates that work off collision, you just thud into them and nothing happens. Where I've added an llOwnerSay inside the collision_start, it says nothing, indicating the event isn't firing.
2014-04-25 17:56 <smxy> I thought it was only collision_start, but today a resident had it happen with touch_start. It didn't show the "hand" and they couldn't touch it, until I restarted the region and then it worked perfectly.
2014-04-25 17:58 <smxy> That's two regions I had to restart today. One for collision_start failing and one for touch_start failing.
2014-04-25 17:58 <smxy> I haven't restarted the others. They may or may not need it.
2014-04-25 18:00 <smxy> Okay. I have a region where touch_start is working, but collision start isn't.
2014-04-25 18:02 <smxy> So it isn't the case that they both go south at the same time, neccessarily.
2014-04-25 18:12 <Dev_Random> Maybe you could get more info about what's happening by adding a counter in your script... .increment on collision_start, and decrement on collision_end... make sure the event is ending properly.  And a way to get the information, that doesn't rely on "touch".  I know it's not an answer, but it might help...
2014-04-25 18:13 <smxy> Actually, I just tried something I've never done before, and got the gate to work again, without having to restart the region. I'm trying to think of the best way to describe it though.
2014-04-25 18:16 <smxy> One of the features of the gate is that it periodically checks the status of the remote destination. If it finds it down, it sets it's root prim (the one you collide with) 100 transparent, and then sets the whole gate to phatom. When the remote destination comes back up, it puts the transparency of the root prim back the way it was and removes phantom.
2014-04-25 18:17 <smxy> I made the remote destination go down and back up and when the gate re-enabled itself, it works again.
2014-04-25 18:17 <smxy> Simply resetting the scripts in the object didn't fix it, but that did.
2014-04-25 18:18 <Dev_Random> any chance the objects were somehow becoming phantom originally?
2014-04-25 18:19 <smxy> No, you thud into them. That's not phantom. :)
2014-04-25 18:19 <Dev_Random> ha
2014-04-25 18:20 <smxy> Let me get the two lines that seem pertinent.
2014-04-25 18:21 <Dev_Random> here's a hacky suggestion until you find the actual cause.... add a reset function that's called when the owner says "work dammit".  easier than cycling the destination region.
2014-04-25 18:23 <smxy> This: llSetPrimitiveParams([PRIM_GLOW, ALL_SIDES, 0.1, PRIM_PHANTOM, FALSE, PRIM_COLOR, ALL_SIDES, <1,1,1>, 0.1]);
2014-04-25 18:23 <smxy> Followed by this: llSetPrimitiveParams([PRIM_GLOW, ALL_SIDES, 0.0, PRIM_PHANTOM, TRUE, PRIM_COLOR, ALL_SIDES, <1,1,1>, 0.0]);
2014-04-25 18:23 <smxy> made collision_start start working again.
2014-04-25 18:26 <smxy> None of this explains why touch_start went south though.
2014-04-25 18:26 <smxy> I'm quite stumped.
2014-04-25 18:58 <danbanner> ive seen that happen occasionally too smxy
2014-04-25 18:59 <danbanner> restart seems to fix it
2014-04-25 18:59 <smxy> It kills all ~80 gates though, and I don't know that people cn't use them until I think to check.
2014-04-25 19:00 <danbanner> yup
2014-04-25 19:00 <smxy> I wish I could MAKE it happen, as then we could probably get it tracked down.
2014-04-25 19:00 <danbanner> i have been trying to locate a way to reproduce it
2014-04-25 19:00 <danbanner> it seems pretty random tho
2014-04-25 19:01 <smxy> Yup. And nothing seems to get logged regarding it.
2014-04-25 19:01 <smxy> It just stops working.
2014-04-25 19:03 <Plugh> I wouldn't expect physics to be involved in touch_start() but yes to physics for collisions.
2014-04-25 19:03 <Plugh> smxy: That is an odd and annoying problem you have.
2014-04-25 19:05 <smxy> Yes, and a very long-standing one.
2014-04-25 19:05 <smxy> I've only recently gotten fed up enough that I want to try and track it down.
2014-04-25 19:12 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-25 19:29 <smxy> danbanner: how much of the above should I add as comments to that, do you think?
2014-04-25 19:31 <smxy> I'll try to distill it.
2014-04-25 19:31 <danbanner> add what you have, anything helpful would be appreciated
2014-04-25 19:32 <danbanner> i created it and will try to add more as i run across it
2014-04-25 19:32 <smxy> Maybe something we say will make someone go "aha!" at some point down the line.
2014-04-25 19:46 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-25 20:19 <Dev_Random> LBSA also has those teleport-on-collide thingies.  I wonder if it's related to the av not being around anymore when the collision_end is triggered.
2014-04-25 20:20 <smxy> Why would that make ~80 gates "go bad" simultaneously?
2014-04-25 20:21 <Dev_Random> I don't know.  just looking for similarities
2014-04-25 20:21 <smxy> :)
2014-04-25 20:23 <Dev_Random> if it's not happening in combat sims or places like Lani where they have slidewalks... it may be related to teleporting.
2014-04-25 20:24 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION extrapolates to infinity from a single data point....

2014-04-25 20:24 <smxy> Brainstorming is a useful thing. :)
2014-04-25 20:30 <danbanner> Dev_Random when it fails the collisions arent even detected
2014-04-25 20:30 <danbanner> no errors or exceptions
2014-04-25 20:31 <Dev_Random> right..  I'm wondering if it's somehow "trapped" waiting for the previous collision to end...  
2014-04-25 20:33 <Dev_Random> e.g. collision_end has a detected param that can be used to get collider info.. but if the collider is gone, can it break things?
2014-04-25 20:33 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION reaches into thin air and tries to find another theory....

2014-04-25 20:38 <smxy> Not that I'm glad you have the problem too, Dan .... but I am. It's nice to know it's probably not something I somehow misconfigured. :)
2014-04-25 20:41 <smxy> Is there anything we can do, or add to the code, that might give us some more logging around collisions, that might shed some light on what's happening?
2014-04-25 20:42 <antont> i imagine logging would certainly be possible and quite possibly helpful
2014-04-25 20:45 <smxy> I see BulletSim has a loging parameter "Very verbose."
2014-04-25 20:45 <justincc> have you tried both ode and bullet?
2014-04-25 20:45 <smxy> I haven't used ODE in over a year. I *think* it started with the switch to BS, but I can't swear to it.
2014-04-25 20:46 <smxy> Dan says for him it happened when he switched.
2014-04-25 20:46 <Sked> Hi guys
2014-04-25 20:46 <justincc> there is a "debug script log" command which will start printing out event processing (e.g. collision stuff) but i but it will be very noisy
2014-04-25 20:46 <Sked> HI justin
2014-04-25 20:46 <justincc> you would also need to lower the xengine logging level to debug in config
2014-04-25 20:46 <justincc> hello sked
2014-04-25 20:47 <Sked> can anyone tell me please what this do for opensim map : unlink ("/tmp/$uuid.j2k");
2014-04-25 20:47 <Sked> what unlink mean
2014-04-25 20:48 <Plugh> Delete a file.
2014-04-25 20:48 <Sked> o i see
2014-04-25 20:48 <Sked> then i have some other problem
2014-04-25 20:49 <Sked> i get map $uuid.j2k file in folder
2014-04-25 20:49 <Sked> but dont convert it to .jpg
2014-04-25 20:49 <Plugh> The files would be in JPEG 2000 format.
2014-04-25 20:49 <Sked> yes they are
2014-04-25 20:50 <Sked> it just dont make me .jpg file
2014-04-25 20:50 <Plugh> If you need them in more common jpg format you will need to convert them.
2014-04-25 20:51 <Sked> exec ("j2k_to_image -i /tmp/$uuid.j2k -o /tmp/$uuid.tga"); 	exec ("convert -scale $size /tmp/$uuid.tga /tmp/$uuid-$geom.jpg");
2014-04-25 20:51 <Sked> this 2 lines do that
2014-04-25 20:52 <Plugh> That will work if you have ImageMagick installed.
2014-04-25 20:52 <Sked> i have ImageMagick-6
2014-04-25 20:52 <Sked> i will install it again and then see
2014-04-25 20:53 <smxy> justincc: I don't see that Xengine setting you spoke of, in the defaults file.
2014-04-25 20:53 <Plugh> Why are you converting j2k to tga then to jpg?
2014-04-25 20:53 <justincc> smxy: it's currently command line only
2014-04-25 20:53 <smxy> Og, you said in config, so I thought ...
2014-04-25 20:53 <Sked> this is php code for map i get
2014-04-25 20:53 <smxy> Oh*
2014-04-25 20:55 <Plugh> Sked: I would check the convert command. It might be able to convert directly from j2k to jpg. I can't verify that at the moment.
2014-04-25 20:56 <Sked> ok i will find it
2014-04-25 20:56 <Sked> tnx
2014-04-25 20:56 <Plugh> yw
2014-04-25 21:00 <smxy> justincc: in debug scripts log <item-id> <log-level>, what is item-id? The uuid of my gate, the script in it? Other items mention scipt-item-uuid, which I why I'm unsure wht this one is.
2014-04-25 21:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #3511 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-25 21:00 <justincc> script in it
2014-04-25 21:00 <justincc> i.e the inventory item
2014-04-25 21:01 <smxy> okay. That help command should be changed to use the same name as the others. :)
2014-04-25 21:03 <smxy> That physics logging seems to be per frame. I'm going to have a hard time finding something useful in it.
2014-04-25 21:04 <smxy> With so much data.
2014-04-25 21:04 <justincc> you might want to look at the high level xengine stats, see if there's anything unusual (though it's hard to say what countrs as unusual)
2014-04-25 21:04 <justincc> "xengine status"
2014-04-25 21:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3511: SUCCESS in 7 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3511/
2014-04-25 21:04 <osjenkins> melanie: Restore overload mode accidentally disabled in a prior commit. Add a new
2014-04-25 21:06 <smxy> I seem to not know how to get the UUID of a script in an object. It's not in its properties.
2014-04-25 21:18 <justincc> not sure.  You can do it from console "show object --full", etc if you know object uuid or it has a unique name, fixed position
2014-04-25 21:18 <danbanner> smxy: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlGetInventoryKey
2014-04-25 21:25 <Sked> Plugh i find my problem
2014-04-25 21:25 <Sked> i install openjpeg to my server
2014-04-25 21:25 <Sked> and now work
2014-04-25 21:25 <Sked> j2k_to_image was problem that didnt conver file
2014-04-25 21:26 <Plugh> Sked: ok.
2014-04-25 21:26 <Sked> thank you for your help
2014-04-25 21:28 <Plugh> yw
2014-04-25 21:31 <smxy> justincc: I gave the particular gate I wantred to test a unique name and it told me about all the prims but nothing about the script in it. I guess I will have to resort to dan's suggestion, but I hate changinig an object I'm trying to observe ... dead cat and all, you know.
2014-04-25 21:31 <justincc> mm, you might want "show part --full" instead
2014-04-25 21:32 <smxy> lol, I have 80 gates all made of parts clled primitive. :)
2014-04-25 21:33 <justincc> yeah, this is the problem with these commands
2014-04-25 21:33 <justincc> possibly it would be nice to have some debug command which spat out the part uuid on the console when the user selected it
2014-04-25 21:34 <smxy> hmm. I do have the Local IDs of the parts though.
2014-04-25 21:35 <osmantis> Bug #7131:04 Avatar names shows with @grid:port even on login to home grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7131 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-25 21:37 <smxy> I found the part that had the script and it gave me the info. Thanks.
2014-04-25 21:38 <smxy> I used the gate and got:
2014-04-25 21:38 <smxy> 17:38:17 - [SCRIPT INSTANCE]: Processing event collision_start for Instant Hypergrid Jump/Blamgate v3.2se WC(2349133141)/Blamgate v3.2se WC(ddb293b4-ef93-443d-8bed-aed963454069) @ <149, 128, 342.8744>/Eld
2014-04-25 21:39 <smxy> That doesn't seem to add much.
2014-04-25 21:39 <justincc> it tells you the event is triggered
2014-04-25 21:40 <smxy> Well, the gate worked, so I know. But I guess it'll be more useful to see if it's triggered or not when it eventually rk.
2014-04-25 21:40 <smxy> ... eventually fails to work.
2014-04-25 21:40 <justincc> but yes, that might not be useful.  If that stopped being printed when your collision stuff stopped working then either the xengine event pump has stopped for some reason, the physics engine has stopped generating the events or they are getting lost between the physics engine and script engine
2014-04-25 21:40 <justincc> and the problem is this might pump out an awful lot of log messages, depending on what else the script is doing and how often collisions occur
2014-04-25 21:41 <smxy> I'll leave it in place and we shall see.
2014-04-25 21:41 <justincc> but it would eliminate one part of the path
2014-04-25 21:41 <justincc> if the message is still generated but the script receives nothing
2014-04-25 21:41 <smxy> yup. definitely worth trying.
2014-04-25 21:41 <smxy> thank you
2014-04-25 21:44 <danbanner> the times i have noticed collisions fail, other scripts seem to continue working fine
2014-04-25 21:46 <smxy> I have re-enabled my llOwnerSay in collision_start, so now, while it's working, I see the logging of the event being triggered and the script tells me it's in the collision_start. So now I wait.
2014-04-25 21:52 <smxy> Thanks for the suggestions. Since we can't make it happen, anything that might tell us something is worth trying.
2014-04-25 21:52 <justincc> yes
2014-04-25 21:52 <Dev_Random> So I was curious... I put http://pastebin.ca/2703534 in a prim, and when I walk into it, I get no collision_end info....  If I remove the teleport, the info shows up.
2014-04-25 21:53 <smxy> Interesting.
2014-04-25 21:53 <Dev_Random> Might be completely unrelated, but I thought it was interesting.
2014-04-25 21:59 <smxy> I'm checking the gate that gets used the most, too - the one from my Welcome Center down to the ground where the rest of the gates are. It's the one I walk through, once a day, to see if I need to restart the region.
2014-04-25 22:00 <smxy> Or *try* to walk through, as the case may be.
2014-04-25 22:00 <justincc> Dev_Random: curious.  possibly the teleport is removing the physics actor before collision_end is genrated
2014-04-25 22:00 <justincc> by the physics engine
2014-04-25 22:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #3512 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-25 22:02 <Dev_Random> justincc:  regarding the comment in that change you just pushed..... adding a height offset might be a reasonable approach instead of widening the values.
2014-04-25 22:02 <Dev_Random> set height offset to 250m, and you have 0-512 covered.
2014-04-25 22:02 <justincc> Dev_Random: maybe, but that leaves a very small abilty to do negative z
2014-04-25 22:02 <justincc> of course, one could also say no -z and use a ushort, which is the other side of that debate
2014-04-25 22:02 <Dev_Random> true but you can move the  offset around with elevate and lower...
2014-04-25 22:03 <justincc> you could still sculpt terrain to hit tje boundaries
2014-04-25 22:03 <Dev_Random> you move the offset, and you get 655m of range.
2014-04-25 22:03 <justincc> which woud be different boundaries depending on your initial 'fill'... which is not something everybody uses
2014-04-25 22:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3512: SUCCESS in 3 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3512/
2014-04-25 22:04 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix issue where terrain height values > 327 caused chaotic spiked terrain.
2014-04-25 22:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #3513 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-25 22:06 <Dev_Random> I'm thinking if I want to build underwater, I can set the offset -300, and then build from -600 to +25
2014-04-25 22:07 <justincc> there's no concept of an offset in ll storage.  I don't feel these are great solutions
2014-04-25 22:08 <justincc> but radams is away all next week and I'm desparate to get the first rc out in case I get swamped with other work
2014-04-25 22:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3513: SUCCESS in 3 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3513/
2014-04-25 22:08 <Dev_Random> thought it might be a reasonable compromise.  my feelings aren't hurt.
2014-04-25 22:08 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add regression test for terrain fill at two digit height and max ll height.
2014-04-25 22:08 <justincc> yeah no intention, just trying to reach the 'best' solution
2014-04-25 22:09 <justincc> which is a tradeoff, unless someone goes to the complexity of a sparse erray
2014-04-25 22:09 <justincc> if we assume many terrains are flat, then there's no need to store every value
2014-04-25 22:09 <justincc> but that's also getting complicated
2014-04-25 22:09 <Dev_Random> I was basing it on what terragen & l3dt do.... terrain generators.  they use offset + deltas
2014-04-25 22:09 <justincc> or even if they just have areas of flatness... which would be the case of many with buildings, etc.
2014-04-25 22:09 <justincc> hmm, ok
2014-04-25 22:10 <justincc> I have to admit, I do not have any particular experience in that area
2014-04-25 22:10 <justincc> maybe you have a point
2014-04-25 22:12 <Dev_Random> Teragen format:   http://www.planetside.co.uk/terragen/dev/tgterrain.html
2014-04-25 22:12 <Dev_Random> baseheight, heightscale, and a list of deltas.
2014-04-25 22:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #3514 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-25 22:17 <smxy> Someone mentioned raising water in increments less than the entire region. That would be so nice, because then I could create a nice mountain lake ...
2014-04-25 22:17 <Dev_Random> or locks
2014-04-25 22:17 <smxy> Or a lake below sea level.
2014-04-25 22:17 <smxy> Those too
2014-04-25 22:17 <justincc> reading the link dev gave, I see LL uses a whole channel for water height but all values must be the same :)
2014-04-25 22:17 <Dev_Random> yeah.  just reads the first one
2014-04-25 22:19 <AllenKerensky> i would love to see OpenSim do that better than LL - to allow water at various altitudes in the same region for above ground pools or whatever
2014-04-25 22:19 <Dev_Random> LL Raw doesn't like negatives... R32 (OAR format) should be no problem though.. it's a bunch of floats.
2014-04-25 22:19 <justincc> relatively simple to store server side (though physics might be interesting).  I imagine a lot of work on the viewer to portray effectively
2014-04-25 22:20 <justincc> it would be odd if the water sloped just like terrain...
2014-04-25 22:20 <Dev_Random> ha
2014-04-25 22:20 <justincc> minecraft water :)
2014-04-25 22:20 <AllenKerensky> just add particle foam its fine
2014-04-25 22:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3514: SUCCESS in 3 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3514/
2014-04-25 22:20 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add basic sanity regression test for creating a scene.
2014-04-25 22:22 <dahlia> smxy: why not just use a phantom prim with an animated water texture for your lake?
2014-04-25 22:22 <smxy> One could do that, yes.
2014-04-25 22:23 <smxy> But it wouldn't be "Linden Water". :)
2014-04-25 22:23 <dahlia> no, but it could look better :P
2014-04-25 22:23 <smxy> lol
2014-04-25 22:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #3515 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-25 22:38 <smxy> I've discovered when you've waited too long to replace your APC UPS batteries. When they swell up, making them nearly impossible to remove and when you do get them out, the cases rupture at one or both ends.
2014-04-25 22:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3515: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3515/
2014-04-25 22:38 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add basic regression test for creating a var region
2014-04-25 22:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #3516 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-25 22:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3516: SUCCESS in 3 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3516/
2014-04-25 22:42 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add missing [Test] decorator to actually get the basic scene creation test from 2227f51b to run
2014-04-25 22:45 <justincc> ok, got to go rest now.  Goodnight folks
2014-04-25 23:08 <Aleric> Region (Genesis) # * Assertion at mini.c:3832, condition `code' not met
2014-04-25 23:08 <smxy> That's a useful error message. :)
2014-04-25 23:12 -!- melanie_(~melanie@ip-178-203-106-233.unitymediagroup.de) has left #opensim-dev
2014-04-25 23:15 <Aleric> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
2014-04-25 23:15 <smxy> Hmm? :)
2014-04-25 23:15 <Aleric> I am getting suicidal because of the fucking avatar physics, or lack there of :(
2014-04-25 23:15 <Aleric> It's impossible to get myself, or my friend to stand on terrain normally.
2014-04-25 23:16 <Aleric> You can't walk up any stairs anymore either that was already shitty bad, now it's impossible
2014-04-25 23:16 <Aleric> It looks like the hover height of avatars RANDOM +/- 20 cm
2014-04-25 23:17 <smxy> Someone just created a building in a sim in my grid and I walked up 5 fights of stairs just fine.
2014-04-25 23:17 <smxy> flights*
2014-04-25 23:17 <Aleric> Maybe they are flat
2014-04-25 23:17 <Aleric> I mean real steps.
2014-04-25 23:18 <smxy> I don't believe these were a ramp.
2014-04-25 23:19 <Aleric> I was hovering 30 cm(!) and my friend 0.
2014-04-25 23:19 <Aleric> I used the shape as him
2014-04-25 23:20 <Aleric> Normally the only way to fix a broken height is by teleporting - tp2cam works.
2014-04-25 23:20 <smxy> She says no ramp.
2014-04-25 23:20 <Aleric> but in this case, it didn't.
2014-04-25 23:21 <Aleric> It is also known that if you login on a ramped terrain you can get fucked up - so we went to perfectly flat terrain and tried tp2cam .. no deal
2014-04-25 23:21 <Aleric> same shape.. different heigt.
2014-04-25 23:21 <Aleric> I relogged.. no difference.
2014-04-25 23:21 <Aleric> In the end I had to set my debug Z modifier to -0.3 to get my feet on the ground.
2014-04-25 23:21 <Aleric> A minute later the sim crashed
2014-04-25 23:22 <Aleric> I logged in to another sim, version 0.7.6 - my feet were (still) standing perfectly on the ground there.
2014-04-25 23:22 <Aleric> Then I restarted my sim (git master) and teleported there.... NOW I was sinking into the ground!!! ANd my friend too
2014-04-25 23:23 <Aleric> I had to remove the Z modifier - set it to 0 again to stand on the ground
2014-04-25 23:23 <Aleric> I am getting really nuts of this
2014-04-25 23:29 <osmantis> Bug #7133:04 More remote profile spew. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7133 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-25 23:37 <zadark> what the hell is a commit 108fc about?
2014-04-25 23:38 <danbanner> logging
2014-04-25 23:44 <Melanie_T> zadark: oren added a feature where the threadpool, when driven to capacity, automaically enabled detailed logging
2014-04-25 23:45 <Melanie_T> the intent is to allow production systems to be set to no logging, but if something unexpectedly goes wrong, still have diagnostic info
2014-04-25 23:45 <Melanie_T> i didn't know that and reacted to a complaint from a user, and silenced the logging in a way that broke this "overload mode"
2014-04-25 23:45 <Melanie_T> now, everyone should want this mode but some may not so i added a config for it
2014-04-25 23:46 <Melanie_T> we love our configs
2014-04-25 23:58 <smxy> So it's not "fascist logging" after all? :)
2014-04-25 23:58 <Melanie_T> no. we're not openssh :)
2014-04-26 00:00 <lkalif> you're more paranoid than Theo de Raadt ;)
2014-04-26 00:00 <lkalif> except he got skills
2014-04-26 00:01 <lkalif> :P
2014-04-26 00:02 <Melanie_T> i don't knw where paranoia comes into it
2014-04-26 00:02 <Melanie_T> "fascist logging" is the title of an openssh configuration option from way back
2014-04-26 00:03 <Aleric> m4_define(`m4s_stripquotes', `m4_ifelse(m4_substr($1, 0, 1)`'m4_substr($1, m4_eval(m4_len($1) - 1), 1), `""', m4_substr($1, 1, m4_eval(m4_len($1) - 2)), $1)')m4_dnl
2014-04-26 00:03 <smxy> Bluewall: ping - see #7133.
2014-04-26 00:04 <Melanie_T> Aleric: m4 is so evil
2014-04-26 00:05 <smxy> It's also what you called that thread logging, the other night. :)
2014-04-26 00:06 <smxy> "fascist", not "evil". :)
2014-04-26 00:06 <Melanie_T> yes. referring to the same thing
2014-04-26 00:06 <Melanie_T> it's sort of a geek insider
2014-04-26 00:06 <Melanie_T> since you have to have been a unix admin for a little while to remember
2014-04-26 00:07 <smxy> I recall m4 from my Sendmail days. Hated it.
2014-04-26 00:07 <smxy> I love Postfix.
2014-04-26 00:07 <Melanie_T> postfix is pretty nice
2014-04-26 00:07 <lkalif> postfix is great
2014-04-26 00:07 <Melanie_T> but i use qmail for ultimate configurability
2014-04-26 00:07 <Melanie_T> sure, you configure by editing the source ;)
2014-04-26 00:07 <Melanie_T> but it can go places postfix can't go
2014-04-26 00:08 <Melanie_T> the new opensimulator mailing lists I built on postfix
2014-04-26 00:08 <smxy> One a server that crashes a lot. :)
2014-04-26 00:08 <dahlia> I was a unix admin before openssh existed and I dont remember ever encountering "fascist logging"
2014-04-26 00:08 <dahlia> probably because it didnt exist at the time :/
2014-04-26 00:09 <Melanie_T> it was the option you could set on early ssh that would even show passwords
2014-04-26 00:09 <smxy> I've been a UNIX admin since '82.
2014-04-26 00:09 <dahlia> ssh? pffft. We cound do anything with uucp :P
2014-04-26 00:09 <smxy> hehe
2014-04-26 00:09 <Melanie_T> intended for debugging, later removed because of disclosure and then brought back (without passwords) as a log level
2014-04-26 00:09 <Melanie_T> lol yes
2014-04-26 00:09 <smxy> ssh -vvvvvvv
2014-04-26 00:10 <Melanie_T> troubleshooting uucp over dialup - manual uucico invocations
2014-04-26 00:10 <Melanie_T> cnews over uucs
2014-04-26 00:10 <Melanie_T> uucp*
2014-04-26 00:10 <diva> speaking of fascist loging, Melanie_T I found another case of those FireAndForget messages
2014-04-26 00:10 <dahlia> I miss rn :(
2014-04-26 00:10 <dahlia> best time waster ever invented
2014-04-26 00:10 <smxy> I miss alt.binaries :)
2014-04-26 00:10 <lkalif> lol
2014-04-26 00:10 <Melanie_T> dahlia: you're supposed to _lurve_ nntp based clients now ;P
2014-04-26 00:10 <smxy> My first porn was from there. :)
2014-04-26 00:11 <Melanie_T> smxy alt.binaries is still alive and well
2014-04-26 00:11 <Melanie_T> you are probably looking for alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.*
2014-04-26 00:12 <Melanie_T> some mighty strange stuff there
2014-04-26 00:12 <smxy> Met a number of my future coworkers in soc.motss.
2014-04-26 00:12 <dahlia> we pretty much had to deal with ascii pr0n back in the day
2014-04-26 00:12 <Melanie_T> news was he good old days
2014-04-26 00:12 <Melanie_T> before http messed up the internet
2014-04-26 00:13 <smxy> It wasn't called that, back then.
2014-04-26 00:13 <lkalif> bunch of old farts yelling for kids to get off their lawns :P
2014-04-26 00:13 <Melanie_T> no, it was usenet
2014-04-26 00:13 <smxy> Back in the days before it was commercialized and anyone could get on it.
2014-04-26 00:13 <dahlia> lkalif: GET OFF MY LAWN! *shakes fist*
2014-04-26 00:14 <dahlia> go watch your newfangled hi def 3d pr0n on your rift you young whippersnapper :P
2014-04-26 00:15 <Melanie_T> :)
2014-04-26 00:15 <smxy> I keep forgetting that Melanie_Tis even older than I am. :p
2014-04-26 00:15 <lkalif> i too remember re-constructing 40 part alt.binaries.* pic by hand
2014-04-26 00:15 <smxy> ah, split
2014-04-26 00:15 <lkalif> but I have no nostalgic feeling towards those primitive times
2014-04-26 00:16 <Melanie_T> cat don't fail me now :)
2014-04-26 00:16 <Melanie_T> cat part1.txt ….part99.txt | uudecode > pr0n.gif
2014-04-26 00:16 <lkalif> redtube.com is so much more user-friendly :P
2014-04-26 00:16 <smxy> bang path email was fun because you had to know how to route the email yourself.
2014-04-26 00:17 <Melanie_T> few remember that
2014-04-26 00:17 <smxy> And then it got weird when started having mixed addressing
2014-04-26 00:17 <Melanie_T> and it was all uucp names, from the local scope of the node you were on at the time
2014-04-26 00:17 <dahlia> and one had to run risque jokes thru tr a-zA-Z n-za-mN-ZA-M
2014-04-26 00:17 <smxy> or rot13
2014-04-26 00:18 <Melanie_T> so if you wanted foo -> bar -> baz but bar knew baz as b0rk, you had to know that
2014-04-26 00:18 <lkalif> i remember getting a fancy gui newsgroup reader that would automate that. you could let it loose on a group, and you get back in couple days and you have like a dozen pics :P
2014-04-26 00:18 <dahlia> till some clever hacker added a keystroke to rn to do rot13
2014-04-26 00:19 <Melanie_T> yup
2014-04-26 00:19 <Melanie_T> people who learned in those days really know what makes the net tick
2014-04-26 00:19 <dahlia> I had a uucp node at home for a while
2014-04-26 00:20 <lkalif> yeah, all knowlege was in alt.sysadmin.recovery.bofh :P
2014-04-26 00:20 <smxy> I remember the first mean-spirited group I ever saw: alt.wesley.crush.die.die.die
2014-04-26 00:20 <dahlia> xenix 286
2014-04-26 00:20 <smxy> crusher*
2014-04-26 00:20 <lkalif> dahlia: so you were a microsoft fan from way back when ;)
2014-04-26 00:20 <dahlia> xenix wasnt m$oft
2014-04-26 00:21 <Melanie_T> xenix ran on the radio shack machine back int he days
2014-04-26 00:21 <Melanie_T> with 8" floppies
2014-04-26 00:21 <Melanie_T> i kid you not
2014-04-26 00:21 <Melanie_T> that thing was huge
2014-04-26 00:21 <lkalif> i seem to rememver something about xenix being MS
2014-04-26 00:21 <dahlia> but then I started playing around with minix, then linux came out 
2014-04-26 00:21 <smxy> I think Xenix was MS at one point.
2014-04-26 00:21 <smxy> Then SCO
2014-04-26 00:22 <dahlia> no clue who wrote it
2014-04-26 00:22 <Melanie_T> yep
2014-04-26 00:22 <Melanie_T> i did SCO
2014-04-26 00:22 <Melanie_T> 3.2v4.2 and sco5 then unixware
2014-04-26 00:22 <lkalif> Microsoft Xenix originally ran on the PDP-11. - wikipedia
2014-04-26 00:22 <Melanie_T> i tossed the media and devkits about 6 years ago
2014-04-26 00:22 <lkalif> yep yep
2014-04-26 00:23 <dahlia> but 286 didnt have a MMU so was kinda fake unix, like minix was
2014-04-26 00:23 <Melanie_T> emulation ftw
2014-04-26 00:23 <dahlia> well no private process space
2014-04-26 00:23 <Melanie_T> nope
2014-04-26 00:23 <dahlia> one process could kill another
2014-04-26 00:23 <Melanie_T> but then 8080/z80 under cp/m didn't either
2014-04-26 00:23 <smxy> The first UNIX I ran at home was Dell's SYSVR4. Then AT&T SYSV386.
2014-04-26 00:24 <Melanie_T> nor did they have processes as such :)
2014-04-26 00:24 <smxy> Then Linux.
2014-04-26 00:24 <Melanie_T> but they had TSRs
2014-04-26 00:24 <dahlia> I had a copy of bsd 4.2 but it was on magtape so could only use at work
2014-04-26 00:25 <smxy> I had to buy a $700 QIC drive to read the Dell tape.
2014-04-26 00:25 <lkalif> Í hated all commercial Unixes. My first "real" job was on SGI Irix.
2014-04-26 00:25 <smxy> That hurt.
2014-04-26 00:25 <dahlia> thats pretty much where I cut my unix teeth
2014-04-26 00:26 <dahlia> lkalif: well I did hp-ux system programming for several years, wasn't too bad 
2014-04-26 00:26 <smxy> Oh, I used to be an IRIX guy. After Kernighan, Thompson, Ritchie, Pike, et al moved on from UNIX to Plan 9, I was their UNIX admin and it was all IRIX.
2014-04-26 00:26 <lkalif> Irix workstations didn't even come with a compiler. Silicon Graphics was selling that as an extra.
2014-04-26 00:26 <Melanie_T> many were selling compilers then
2014-04-26 00:26 <dahlia> lots of x/motif stuff
2014-04-26 00:26 <Melanie_T> in the end, gcc killed that ripoff biz
2014-04-26 00:26 <smxy> I liked Motif. Nice and clean.
2014-04-26 00:27 <Melanie_T> lesstiff had more options
2014-04-26 00:27 <Melanie_T> but then, woman is better than man
2014-04-26 00:27 <Melanie_T> ;)
2014-04-26 00:27 <dahlia> could use bsd compiler
2014-04-26 00:27 <lkalif> imagine a unix workstation without a compiler... 
2014-04-26 00:27 <dahlia> and gcc came out not too long after
2014-04-26 00:27 <lkalif> SGI made nice hardware though
2014-04-26 00:27 <smxy> Towards the end, it was a running joke between the SGI service tech and I as to whether SGI or Lucent would hit penny stock status first.
2014-04-26 00:28 <Melanie_T> heh i worked with lucent equipment back then
2014-04-26 00:28 <dahlia> I know (well knew) one of the SGI ex-CEOs
2014-04-26 00:29 <dahlia> Beluzzo
2014-04-26 00:29 <lkalif> I remember my SGI desktop was playing a tune while booting up. It was pretty neat as IBM clones only had a speaker that could do beep-beep.
2014-04-26 00:29 <dahlia> used to work with him at HP for a short time
2014-04-26 00:30 <Aleric> ROFL @ http://imgur.com/gallery/SlK729u
2014-04-26 00:30 <smxy> Damn, we're old. :p
2014-04-26 00:31 <Aleric> kid is asking "Will a black hole be able to suck in another black hole?"
2014-04-26 00:31 <dahlia> 
ACTION quickly hides the blonde hair dye bottle before anyone notices....

2014-04-26 00:31 <Aleric> General comments: wow you are smart to think about blackholes for a 2nd grader.
2014-04-26 00:31 <lkalif> SGI gave us OpenGL though, so it still lives on :)
2014-04-26 00:31 <dahlia> ya
2014-04-26 00:32 <Aleric> one guy adds the comment: DO NOT GOOGLE "SUCKING BLACK HOLES"!!  rofl
2014-04-26 00:32 <lkalif> gravity sucks
2014-04-26 00:32 <dahlia> although I hope something like mantle goes open and takes over opengl
2014-04-26 00:54 <osmantis> Bug #7134:04 [PATCH] implented load oartouser function to assign objects from an oar to a specific user 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7134 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-26 00:55 <osmantis> Bug #7134:04 [PATCH] implented load oartouser function to assign objects from an oar to a specific user 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7134 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-26 00:58 <osmantis> Bug #7134:04 [PATCH] implented load oartouser function to assign objects from an oar to a specific user 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7134 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-26 01:41 <osmantis> Bug #7134:04 [PATCH] implented load oartouser function to assign objects from an oar to a specific user 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7134 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-26 02:11 <Plugh> Some years back I did some work for a company that had a pair of SGI WebForce Indy computers.
2014-04-26 02:11 <Plugh> No compiler. I found a way to get gcc running on the machine.
2014-04-26 02:14 <smxy> lol. after all that, I'm surprised you said anything other than: tl;dr
2014-04-26 02:14 <smxy> :)
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2014-04-26 04:40 <ssm2017> hello Melanie_T the wiki is down
2014-04-26 08:24 <MaxVR> hello all 
2014-04-26 08:33 <Timecop_> hello ALL
2014-04-26 10:51 <Binary> Is OpenSim still in Alpha? Its been about 3 years since I last explored OpenSim
2014-04-26 10:55 <velus> Any one about 
2014-04-26 12:17 <velus> Melanie_T you about 
2014-04-26 14:24 <smxy> Has anyone here replaced MySQL with MariaDB for OpenSim? Does it work just as well?
2014-04-26 14:25 <Melanie_T> i believe mebadon has done that
2014-04-26 14:26 <smxy> Okay. Thanks. I'll ask him about it later.
2014-04-26 15:00 <Wanderer_42> smxy: yes. and i have no problems
2014-04-26 15:02 <diva> FYI if you haven't seen this: http://tagide.com/blog/2014/04/optimizing-opensimulator-part-i/
2014-04-26 15:02 <smxy> I was going to upgrade MySQL to 5.6 so that I could get InnoDB support for full text search and have a 100% InnoDB database. Trying to find out if MariaDB supports that in their current XtraDB version.
2014-04-26 15:09 <smxy> Thanks for the link, diva.
2014-04-26 15:16 <smxy> I think I'll just set up another VM, install it, and start playing around with it.
2014-04-26 15:19 <smxy> Oh, and thanks, Wanderer_42.
2014-04-26 15:19 <Wanderer_42> yw
2014-04-26 17:41 <Velus> 
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2014-04-26 17:41 <Velus> hey
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2014-04-26 17:52 <velus> hello who is about? diva you about and awake>
2014-04-26 17:52 <velus> ?*
2014-04-26 19:19 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar forever on login on OSGrid add-on regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-26 21:28 <Plugh> What's up, velus?
2014-04-26 21:51 <velus> sorry for the slow reply, what language is the diva website add on written in? i know its html but is it also js? the bit that does logins?
2014-04-26 21:52 <diva> C#
2014-04-26 21:53 <velus> im thinking of creating a ssocial site where people can socialise and such and have a login with {grid/standalone} and they can log in and register using the girds or standanlone info a bit like a log in with facebook api system but for other grids and standanlones can use 
2014-04-26 21:53 <velus> ok
2014-04-26 21:54 <velus> how does the html talk to the c#?
2014-04-26 21:54 <diva> with a scripting language that I made called WifiScript
2014-04-26 21:55 <velus> ok hmm wonder how easy it would be to learn?
2014-04-26 21:55 <diva> it's very simple (I think :) but if you want to code more services they'd have to be in C#
2014-04-26 21:56 <diva> I mean if you want to code more services over the  web app
2014-04-26 21:56 <velus> ok ill look into it, i may need some help with it though
2014-04-26 21:57 <diva> https://github.com/diva/diva-distribution/tree/master/addon-modules/Wifi
2014-04-26 21:57 <diva> it supports plugins
2014-04-26 21:57 <diva> so theoretically you can add your own addons to Wifi
2014-04-26 21:58 <diva> (I should probably add an example there)
2014-04-26 22:02 <velus> yh
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2014-04-27 08:36 <osmantis> Bug #7136:04 Standalone with MSSQL database -  "Could not find a storage interface in the given module" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7136 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-27 10:31 <velus> hey hey all
2014-04-27 10:35 <LiruCookies> Haiiiii
2014-04-27 10:37 <velus> hows you LiruCookies 
2014-04-27 10:44 <LiruCookies> Good good, you, velus ?
2014-04-27 11:11 <velus> im good sorry for late reply lol been doing stuff on my site lol
2014-04-27 11:12 <LiruCookies> I'm busy inworld helping people anyhow, no problems\
2014-04-27 11:13 <velus> ok cool im busy working on my systems atm and hopefully i will have all my systems working by well next month
2014-04-27 14:44 <osmantis> Bug #7137:04 Often cannot see or cross into adjoining sims that are running in different instances. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7137 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-27 16:21 <osmantis> Bug #7138:04 scene console commands have non-uniform structure 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7138 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-27 16:22 <osmantis> Bug #7138:04 scene console commands have non-uniform structure 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7138 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-27 16:23 <osmantis> Bug #7138:04 scene console commands have non-uniform structure 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7138 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-27 16:33 <osmantis> Bug #7138:04 scene console commands have non-uniform structure 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7138 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-27 17:05 <osmantis> Bug #7139:04 Groups V2 doesnt show groups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7139 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-27 19:00 <Sked> Hi guys
2014-04-27 19:00 <Sked> can anyone please tell me where go offline im messages for friendship offer in db
2014-04-27 19:31 <lkalif> Ken_S: what operating system are you on?
2014-04-27 19:34 <Sked> i mean opensim
2014-04-27 19:34 <Sked> in what db table put data in when i send friendship offer inworld
2014-04-27 19:37 <Plugh> Friends table. There is a field for "offered".
2014-04-27 19:38 <Sked> ok tnx
2014-04-27 19:39 <Sked> i find it
2014-04-27 20:41 <osmantis> Bug #7138:04 scene console commands have non-uniform structure 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7138 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-27 21:08 <Sked> how can i start if sentance if db table is empty
2014-04-27 21:09 <Sked> for example if ( help !)
2014-04-27 21:09 <Sked> or some else?
2014-04-27 21:09 <smxy> Don't understand your question.
2014-04-27 21:10 <Sked> its ok i find the solution
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2014-04-28 09:04 <osmantis> Bug #7138:04 scene console commands have non-uniform structure 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7138 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-28 09:38 <osmantis> Bug #7138:04 scene console commands have non-uniform structure 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7138 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-28 10:19 <osmantis> Bug #7138:04 scene console commands have non-uniform structure 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7138 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-28 10:20 <osmantis> Bug #7139:04 Groups V2 doesn't show groups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7139 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-28 10:45 <osmantis> Bug #7140:04 [BULLETSIM] Check if terrain levels lower than 0m wil be handled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7140 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-28 10:54 <osmantis> Bug #7140:04 [BULLETSIM] Check if terrain levels lower than 0m wil be handled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-28 11:02 <Wolkenreiter> Hi! Can anyone tell me if there's an easy way to clean up an OS master build from Visual Studio, i.e. create a clean folder structure for copying to the server?
2014-04-28 11:08 <Wolkenreiter> I guess just copying the bin folder and deleting all the pdb files should be enough...
2014-04-28 11:45 <orenh> git clean -d -fx will delete any files not in Git
2014-04-28 11:45 <orenh> then run compile.bat to recompile
2014-04-28 11:46 <orenh> probably backup before trying this for the first time...
2014-04-28 11:48 <H-H-H> ty orenh ive addded that to my list of usefull git commands
2014-04-28 12:46 <osmantis> Bug #7141:04 Compiling under Mono 3.2 gives error: The type or namespace name 'Linq' does not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7141 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-28 13:43 <osmantis> Bug #7141:04 Compiling under Mono 3.2 gives error: The type or namespace name 'Linq' does not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7141 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-28 14:23 <osmantis> Bug #7141:04 Compiling under Mono 3.2 gives error: The type or namespace name 'Linq' does not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7141 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-28 14:24 <osmantis> Bug #7141:04 Compiling under Mono 3.2 gives error: The type or namespace name 'Linq' does not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7141 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-04-28 15:05 <Aleric> Grrrr land tool "smooth" is a synonym for "lower" imho.. this is so unusable :/
2014-04-28 15:08 <velus> is it?
2014-04-28 15:08 <Aleric> Unusable yes...
2014-04-28 15:08 <velus> i thought smooth was to smooth it ?
2014-04-28 15:08 <Aleric> It does, but not in a usable way :p
2014-04-28 15:09 <velus> arghhh ok damm
2014-04-28 15:09 <Aleric> If you use alternating "raise" / "smooth" / "raise" / "smooth" etc, then you expect the land to go up.
2014-04-28 15:09 <Aleric> It doesn't
2014-04-28 15:09 <velus> ok
2014-04-28 15:14 <Aleric> One thing that appears to BE broken though is the land tool size - it seems to make little difference if use a large or a small cursor.
2014-04-28 15:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #3517 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-28 15:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3517: SUCCESS in 7 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3517/
2014-04-28 15:49 <osjenkins> orenh: Removed dependency on Linq in OpenProfileClient
2014-04-28 15:49 <osmantis> Bug #7141:04 Compiling under Mono 3.2 gives error: The type or namespace name 'Linq' does not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7141 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-28 16:04 <Aleric> shift-drag to copy an object appears to no longer work.
2014-04-28 16:04 <Aleric> I just moves, .. no copy
2014-04-28 16:06 <smxy> Works for me, on 6efc203, from the 24th.
2014-04-28 16:06 <smxy> So, if broken, after that,
2014-04-28 16:08 <Aleric> Hmm, it works on a freshly rezzed prim.
2014-04-28 16:08 <Aleric> But not on this sculpt that I already have rezzed.
2014-04-28 16:09 <Aleric> and also not this other prim, that I rezzed a few days ago.
2014-04-28 16:11 <smxy> I did it on a prim I rezzed a couple days ago.
2014-04-28 16:14 <Aleric> What about a prim owned by someone else, but whose build permissions you have?
2014-04-28 16:15 <Aleric> The prim is full perm
2014-04-28 16:20 <smxy> Dunno about that case.
2014-04-28 16:20 <smxy> Gonna go mow the lawn. Good luck.
2014-04-28 16:34 <paulieflomar> Aleric, I have noticed that shift drag doesnt work for attached objects, only unattacheed (rezzed on ground) objects. Are you trying to shift drag an attachment?
2014-04-28 16:52 <nebadon_> Aleric you can not do that
2014-04-28 16:52 <nebadon_> shift drag other peoples prims, under no circumstance
2014-04-28 16:52 <nebadon_> its never worked that way
2014-04-28 17:17 <Aleric> nebadon_: Kinda silly when you are allowed to take a copy
2014-04-28 17:18 <Aleric> What you'd really want though, is that the copy is still owned by your friend.
2014-04-28 17:18 <nebadon_> the problem is
2014-04-28 17:18 <nebadon_> the copy thats left behind is the new coy
2014-04-28 17:18 <nebadon_> copy
2014-04-28 17:18 <nebadon_> not the one you are sliding
2014-04-28 17:19 <nebadon_> so it doesnt really work out as you intend
2014-04-28 17:19 <Aleric> I understand. But it would if the copy had the same owner, thus :p
2014-04-28 17:19 <nebadon_> yea
2014-04-28 17:19 <nebadon_> new viewer mods! :P
2014-04-28 17:20 <nebadon_> need a new key other than shift
2014-04-28 17:20 <nebadon_> like shift+o drag copy
2014-04-28 17:20 <Aleric> Or a debug variable to change the behavior
2014-04-28 17:21 <nebadon_> ya but then you have to constantly toggle debug 
2014-04-28 17:21 <nebadon_> that would be uber annoying
2014-04-28 17:21 <nebadon_> especially if you forgot its on
2014-04-28 17:21 <nebadon_> and you make 100's of copies not realizing
2014-04-28 17:21 <Aleric> If you want to use both methods... I was assuming that the new one is so much better, you don't need to old behavior.
2014-04-28 17:22 <nebadon_> ya i dunno i could see disasters happning accidently
2014-04-28 17:22 <Aleric> If you're editing an object of a friend, cause he gave you his build permissions, then I don't think that becoming owner of parts of the build is ever desirable.
2014-04-28 17:22 <nebadon_> you not realizing you have 100 other prims selected off in the distance
2014-04-28 17:22 <nebadon_> like you drag a box over stuff
2014-04-28 17:23 <nebadon_> i guess either way that could be a disaster though
2014-04-28 17:23 <Aleric> That is always a disaster - how does the current limitation avoid that?
2014-04-28 17:23 <nebadon_> if you can mod your friends stuff
2014-04-28 17:23 <nebadon_> ya
2014-04-28 17:24 <Aleric> If you care about disasters like that, then the control-z "undo" function should be fixed for opensim :p
2014-04-28 17:24 <Aleric> That currently fails just a bit too often when you really need it.
2014-04-28 18:19 <smxy> I don't think that's *ever* worked when I needed it.
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2014-04-28 18:40 <paulieflomar> yeah, ctrl z functions... sometimes... heh
2014-04-28 18:41 <paulieflomar> but, hey. at least we have coffee! :)
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2014-04-28 22:14 <smxy> paulieflomar: Many people would die slow and horrible deaths if coffee were no more. :)
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2014-04-29 01:05 <H-H-H> anyone here used the irc bridge module recently?
2014-04-29 01:28 <Plugh> I've seen cases where it was used but I haven't used it.
2014-04-29 01:29 <smxy> Only place I ever saw it used was on K-G/M7.
2014-04-29 01:30 <smxy> A looooong time ago.
2014-04-29 01:33 <H-H-H> it does work lol but doesnt want to connect to my local irc server however works fine on freenode which suggests my irc server is setup wrong but every other client connects and can use it fine just not the bridge module
2014-04-29 01:55 <Melanie_T> H-H-H: don't fail non-identd connections. the bridge doesn't have identd emulation
2014-04-29 01:56 <H-H-H> ahhhhhhhhh ty
2014-04-29 01:56 <H-H-H> if i remember rightly unrealircd has that set by default
2014-04-29 01:59 <Melanie_T> identd is conceptually outdated
2014-04-29 01:59 <Melanie_T> it depends on the server being able to make a connection to the client to verify identity
2014-04-29 01:59 <Melanie_T> that was designed for people using ircii from a shell accunt on a unix machine they didn't have root on
2014-04-29 02:00 <Melanie_T> today's NAT schemes make identd a risky proposition to depend on
2014-04-29 02:01 <Melanie_T> the normal NAT user will need UPNP support, which means windows and a compliant router, to let identid emulation succeeed
2014-04-29 02:01 <Melanie_T> it would also limit the possible users per IP address to one unless the router has a full remote identd
2014-04-29 02:01 <Melanie_T> (reverse proxy)
2014-04-29 02:02 <H-H-H> ahhh ok
2014-04-29 02:02 <H-H-H> ty
2014-04-29 02:02 <Melanie_T> people on mobile networks who are potentially NATed by their mobile provider have no way to emulate identd
2014-04-29 02:02 <Melanie_T> identd has not been viable as a protocol since the mid-90s
2014-04-29 02:03 <Melanie_T> today, PKI should be used but isn't
2014-04-29 02:03 <Melanie_T> mostly because IRC is considered outdated by most, used only by geeks and hackers these days
2014-04-29 02:03 <Melanie_T> everyone else who wants to chat is on face…k
2014-04-29 02:05 <smxy> I can't even imagine this chatroom on that.
2014-04-29 02:06 <smxy> Or any on freenode, for that matter.
2014-04-29 02:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #3518 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-29 02:23 <Melanie_T> smxy: you can see what my opinion is. face…k - insert the letter of you choice. they are NOT boo
2014-04-29 02:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3518: SUCCESS in 3 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3518/
2014-04-29 02:24 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BUlletSim: move safeynet ground plane to lower altitude. Define new BulletSim
2014-04-29 02:24 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: non-functional changes to debugging statements and formatting.
2014-04-29 02:25 <H-H-H> ok it seems that an unreal ircd server requires the join command to be after the 422 command so after slightly changing the code in ircbridgemodule to do exactly that it now connects everywhere just fine :)
2014-04-29 02:25 <Melanie_T> you mean 422 response
2014-04-29 02:25 <Melanie_T> that is against spec but i'm glad to hear you got it working
2014-04-29 02:27 <H-H-H> yep but its wierd that it only seems to effect the unrealircd server
2014-04-29 02:28 <H-H-H> but ty all for your input and help :)
2014-04-29 07:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #3519 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-29 07:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3519: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3519/
2014-04-29 07:04 <osjenkins> * orenh: Fixed the UpdateAgentInformation CAP: the viewer expects the simulator to echo back the maturity that it sent
2014-04-29 07:04 <osjenkins> * orenh: Improved HTTP logging
2014-04-29 07:26 <Thonneve> What would be the perfect bin copying command for linux?
2014-04-29 07:27 <Thonneve> For copying freshly compiled bin to a already setup opensim installation?
2014-04-29 07:28 <Plugh> I copy using 'cp -a'
2014-04-29 07:28 <Plugh> cp -a bin/* /some/target/dir
2014-04-29 07:29 <Thonneve> Cheers, what does the -a switch do though?
2014-04-29 07:29 <Thonneve> I would assume ask?
2014-04-29 07:29 <Plugh> I also include bin/.version in the command after '-a' as my build process generates the .version file.
2014-04-29 07:29 <Plugh> man cp
2014-04-29 07:30 <Plugh> :)
2014-04-29 07:30 <Plugh> It preserves file attributes.
2014-04-29 07:30 <Thonneve> Ahh I see
2014-04-29 07:30 <Thonneve> Should I worry about opensim.ini and config-include files get overwritten assuming I have 2 opensim dirs, one for production (just bin) and another that's pure git?
2014-04-29 07:32 <Plugh> There is no opensim.ini in a standard source tree as fetched with git. Same thing with the config-include files. Only .example are included in the source tree.
2014-04-29 07:33 <Plugh> Any ".ini" in the source tree are ones that you aren't supposed to modify.
2014-04-29 07:35 <Plugh> I was just about to shutdown for the night. If you have other questions ask me "tomorrow" or see if someone else is around to answer.
2014-04-29 08:13 <Thonneve> 09:13:20 - [HG INVENTORY BROKER]: Manually setting scene in RemoteXInventoryServicesConnector to Osatia
2014-04-29 08:13 <Thonneve> I'm getting a hang there, any idea what would cause that?
2014-04-29 08:14 <Thonneve> Gunna leave it for a while to see if it fixes itself, but it's been like that in a previous start for about 10 minutes
2014-04-29 08:22 <Thonneve> Got it started, just a lil hang due to configuration issues
2014-04-29 10:40 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-29 12:45 <Aleric> Hmm... I need a way to store a lot of data to a database, from an LSL script. I wonder what is the best way.
2014-04-29 13:02 <osmantis> Bug #7142:04 Mumble Development License Change Granted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7142 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-29 13:04 <osmantis> Bug #7139:04 Groups V2 doesn't show groups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7139 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-29 13:12 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-29 13:14 <osmantis> Bug #7139:04 Groups V2 doesn't show groups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7139 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-29 13:14 <mheilman> I am having trouble compiling master on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS using mono 3.2.8, the error is JScript does not exist in the namespace Microsoft.  Are there additional steps to compile under mono that arent in the build guide?
2014-04-29 13:35 <nebadon2> what is the source of mono?
2014-04-29 13:35 <nebadon2> mheilman?
2014-04-29 13:35 <nebadon2> is it from the Ubuntu Repository?
2014-04-29 13:37 <mheilman> yes, I installed using the mono-complete package
2014-04-29 13:42 <nebadon2> hmm strange
2014-04-29 13:43 <nebadon2> are you using nant or xbuild?
2014-04-29 13:43 <mheilman> xbuild
2014-04-29 13:54 <mheilman> the commmand still produces OpenSim.exe, but it appears to not load many pieces, and will not instantiate my region.  I believe the error is preventing other neccessary libraries from being compiled
2014-04-29 14:22 <nebadon2> mheilman you are pulling the source from our git repository?
2014-04-29 14:23 <nebadon2> I am compiling it now on 3.2.8 to see
2014-04-29 14:28 <mheilman> I pulled from https://github.com/opensim/opensim
2014-04-29 14:56 <MistySolution> mheilman: That hints to a mono package problem, I'd have a go at compiling from source
2014-04-29 14:56 <nebadon2> ya that is what i was thinking too
2014-04-29 14:57 <nebadon2> but if you did mono-complete that doesnt make much sense
2014-04-29 14:57 <nebadon2> unless the mono in ubuntu repo is broken some how
2014-04-29 15:00 <MistySolution> jscript is included in mono, it's not an external library so that would seem to be the case
2014-04-29 15:06 <mheilman> I will compile mono from source and attempt again.  Is there a specific release I should build with?
2014-04-29 15:07 <MistySolution> mheilman: Newest mono will be fine, even from monos git repo
2014-04-29 15:12 <MistySolution> I run arch which is a rolling release distro, and I compile mono from git, and I'm running opensim as we speak
2014-04-29 15:14 <MistySolution> nebadon2: Is there a problem with osgrid atm?
2014-04-29 15:19 <MistySolution> Or is it just me? my region is doing some strange things
2014-04-29 15:29 <nebadon2> I don't know MistySolution, I do not think so though
2014-04-29 15:29 <nebadon2> others would likely be mentioning it at this point if there was
2014-04-29 15:29 <nebadon2> what is the problem?
2014-04-29 16:07 <MistySolution> nebadon2: My region is giving out 2 seperate IPs which neither are even valid
2014-04-29 16:09 <nebadon2> odd
2014-04-29 16:09 <nebadon2> that sounds like a problem on your end though
2014-04-29 16:09 <nebadon2> i don't know exactly what you are seeing though, so its hard to say
2014-04-29 16:25 <MistySoltuion> nebadon2: Got disconnected so I might have missed a reply
2014-04-29 16:38 <MistySoltuion> nebadon_: Any ideas? Or did you not see anything?
2014-04-29 16:40 <MistySoltuion> I checked with the terminal (Started singularity through a terminal so all output is in the terminal) and It was giving my network IP, external IP and 127.0.0.1, which isn't what I've setup at all
2014-04-29 16:40 <nebadon_> sounds possibly like a loopback issue
2014-04-29 16:40 <MistySoltuion> I already setup loopback and stuff
2014-04-29 16:40 <nebadon_> i assume you are running a region on your local network?
2014-04-29 16:41 <MistySoltuion> Yeah
2014-04-29 16:41 <mheilman> I have compiled mono from github, and am now running mono 3.4.1, with xbuild version 12, ans I am getting the same errors: JScript does not exist in the namespace Microsoft, and JScriptCodeProvider could not be found
2014-04-29 16:41 <MistySoltuion> The setup is exactly the same and used to work, but doesn't now
2014-04-29 16:41 <mheilman> both mention missing assembly references
2014-04-29 16:41 <nebadon_> hmm not sure MistySolution, but it sounds like something with your configuration
2014-04-29 16:42 <MistySoltuion> Seems that way tbh
2014-04-29 16:42 <nebadon_> mheilman, also very odd, I did just compile opensimulator no problem with mono 3.2.8
2014-04-29 16:42 <MistySoltuion> But the strange thing is, it's the same config as before
2014-04-29 16:43 <nebadon_> nothing changed with your router?
2014-04-29 16:43 <nebadon_> the fact its saying 127.0.0.1
2014-04-29 16:43 <MistySoltuion> Nothing at all has changed
2014-04-29 16:43 <nebadon_> if that is not in any of your configs, that leads me to beleive its a loopback failure
2014-04-29 16:43 <MistySoltuion> Except my kernel version
2014-04-29 16:43 <MistySoltuion> Which does control nftables and my fake loopback
2014-04-29 16:44 <MistySoltuion> It gets stuck at region capabilities
2014-04-29 16:44 <MistySoltuion> Says invalid packets
2014-04-29 16:44 <MistySoltuion> Which is kind of wierd
2014-04-29 16:44 <mheilman> This is a fresh installation of ubuntu 14.04 64 bit, would the 64-bit be a potential problem?
2014-04-29 16:44 <nebadon_> no mheilman
2014-04-29 16:44 <nebadon_> i only run 64 bit
2014-04-29 16:45 <MistySoltuion> mheilman: Maybe if 32bit libs aren't installed
2014-04-29 16:45 <MistySoltuion> nebadon_: What distro? Might include 32bit libs with 64bit packages
2014-04-29 16:45 <nebadon_> opensuse 13.1
2014-04-29 16:45 <nebadon_> and i compile mono myself
2014-04-29 16:46 <MistySoltuion> Oh god
2014-04-29 16:46 <MistySoltuion> Why does no one else use arch?
2014-04-29 16:47 <nebadon_> never really tried it
2014-04-29 16:47 <nebadon_> ive always really used opensuse primarily
2014-04-29 16:47 <mheilman> ubuntu has had terrible ia32 compatability these last few revisions, I almost went fedora instead
2014-04-29 16:48 <nebadon_> ya i dont like ubuntu at all
2014-04-29 16:48 <mheilman> hmm, ia32? anyways, the 32 bit compatability libraries
2014-04-29 16:48 <MistySoltuion> You should check it out, imo the best distro, rolling release, and can be as minimal as possible if needed
2014-04-29 16:48 <nebadon_> you should not need ia32 for mono
2014-04-29 16:49 <nebadon_> opensimulator can run native 64 bit
2014-04-29 16:49 <MistySoltuion> ia32 isn't the same as x86_32
2014-04-29 16:49 <MistySoltuion> Whole different architechture
2014-04-29 16:49 <nebadon_> opensuse doesnt even have the ia32 stuff
2014-04-29 16:49 <nebadon_> you definitely do not need it for mono or opensimulator
2014-04-29 16:49 <nebadon_> you do need it for the viewer though
2014-04-29 16:49 <mheilman> that was top of my head, sorry
2014-04-29 16:50 <MistySoltuion> Ahh
2014-04-29 16:50 <mheilman> there are several IT folks working on another machine in my office as we speak
2014-04-29 16:50 <MistySoltuion> mheilman: What was the error?
2014-04-29 16:50 <keygruin> 
ACTION is a loyal convert from ubuntu to opensuse

2014-04-29 16:50 <mheilman> same as before, JScript not in the namespace Microsoft
2014-04-29 16:51 <nebadon_> ya very odd for sure
2014-04-29 16:51 <MistySoltuion> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Troubleshooting#The_type_or_namespace_name_JScript_does_not_exist_in_the_namespace_Microsoft
2014-04-29 16:51 <MistySoltuion> There you go
2014-04-29 16:51 <MistySoltuion> apt-get install mono-mjs libmono-microsoft8.0-cil
2014-04-29 16:51 <nebadon_> mono-complete should do that
2014-04-29 16:51 <nebadon_> and
2014-04-29 16:52 <nebadon_> compiling mono yourself it is completely self contained
2014-04-29 16:52 <MistySoltuion> I wouldn't be supprised if it's still required on ubuntu
2014-04-29 16:52 <MistySoltuion> If the git compile wasn't installed properly it will still use the old version
2014-04-29 16:52 <nebadon_> ya it cant hurt to try
2014-04-29 16:53 <MistySoltuion> Nothing bad can happen, just 2 extra packages
2014-04-29 16:54 <keygruin> ubuntu 12.04 LTS works fine with just mono-complete, maybe something is missing for 14.04?
2014-04-29 16:54 <MistySoltuion> I know on arch sometimes during upgrades you have to reinstall libraries and such
2014-04-29 16:54 <MistySoltuion> Also what's this about opensim cursor control?
2014-04-29 16:54 <mheilman> libmono-microsoft8.0-cil is already installed and is the latest version.  I cant find package mono-mjs or similar
2014-04-29 16:55 <MistySoltuion> Interesting..
2014-04-29 16:55 <AllenKerensky> Fedora 21 is looking to include mono 3.4.0 and OpenSim current compiles on it just fine
2014-04-29 16:56 <nebadon_> I know a lot of people like Ubuntu as a desktop, but personally i think it is not a great server
2014-04-29 16:56 <AllenKerensky> Fedora 20 and earlier have Mono 2.10.8 and opensim compiles fine IF you use xbuild - nant started failing on missing assemblies in a recent r/24xxx build and later
2014-04-29 16:56 <nebadon_> it is what it is, it works usually, but Its not my cup of tea
2014-04-29 16:57 <MistySoltuion> tbh ubuntu is going in a bad direction imo
2014-04-29 16:57 <nebadon_> i like opensuse because its great as a desktop or as a server
2014-04-29 16:57 <MistySoltuion> A very bad one if I do say so myself
2014-04-29 16:58 <nebadon_> another thing that bothers me is that Microsoft has actually commited more code to the linux kernel git repo than Cononical has
2014-04-29 16:58 <AllenKerensky> well, this is all based on C#, so... aren't we supposed to be using .NET anyway?
2014-04-29 16:58 <MistySoltuion> That kinda says something
2014-04-29 16:58 <MistySoltuion> AllenKerensky: .NET is implemented in mono
2014-04-29 16:58 <MistySoltuion> Atleast parts of it
2014-04-29 16:59 <AllenKerensky> hehe yeah I was being cheeky
2014-04-29 16:59 <AllenKerensky> IMO too much .NyET has gotten into Mono - it was safer for all concerned when Mono JUST implemented the ECMA spec, but that's another discussion for another channel
2014-04-29 16:59 <AllenKerensky> I usually get yelled at here
2014-04-29 17:00 <mheilman> I'm going to try building on my fedora 20 box, and see if its more agreeable
2014-04-29 17:01 <AllenKerensky> okay mheilman PM me if you get something specifically weird and I can at least tell you what my F20 box looks like
2014-04-29 17:01 <AllenKerensky> or if you want Mono 3.4 prebuilt for F20 to try that
2014-04-29 17:01 <mheilman> thanks AllenKerensky
2014-04-29 17:03 <osmantis> Bug #7134:04 [PATCH] Implemented load oartouser function to assign objects from an oar to a specific user 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7134 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-04-29 17:20 <osmantis> Bug #7134:04 [PATCH] Implemented load oartouser function to assign objects from an oar to a specific user 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7134 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-29 18:03 <Aleric> The way animations are designed is totally not scalable with the avatar... This format should never have been used for SL, because there is essential that the same animation works for many different shapes :/
2014-04-29 18:03 <Aleric> there it* is
2014-04-29 18:04 <Aleric> Been looking into scaling animations - (more specifically, how to change the sittarget when an avatar is scaled down), and it is not possible: the sittarget would become a function of time, a function of the animation itself.
2014-04-29 18:05 <Aleric> Thus, bottom line: animations as used in SL and opensim CAN only be used with an avatar shape that they were created for.
2014-04-29 18:10 <Aleric> Now, scale is a scalar - and I think that much of the problem could be addressed viewerside with just the knowledge of just one scalar extra per animation - but more in general with some vector. The vector would be a fixed value for a given animation, allowing the viewer to correctly scale the animation with the avatar that is playing it.
2014-04-29 18:12 <paulieflomar> Aleric, that sounds really exciting!
2014-04-29 18:13 <Aleric> One the most well known problems are ground sit animations, or dance animations where the avatar bends its knees: changing the height of the pelvis in the animation itself (or more generally, it's position) is what makes things go wrong.
2014-04-29 18:14 <Aleric> paulieflomar: Well, it would require to add some value to every uploaded animation - we can add that to the upload floater of a viewer I guess... And I suppose that opensim won't have a problem with seeing a different blob being uploaded. It just has to be in such a form that unpatched viewers won't be influenced.
2014-04-29 18:21 <Aleric> What opensim (and SL, but they won't listen anyway) desperately needs is the ability for viewers to upload temporary data.
2014-04-29 18:22 <justincc> for what purpose?
2014-04-29 18:22 <Aleric> Example: 20 avatars are dancing at a party. The viewer has certain knowledge (ie, a height adjustment) that it wants to share with the rest, for the purpose of shared experience and having everyone see the same thing.
2014-04-29 18:22 <Aleric> Currently the only way you can do that is by creating some asset (ie, a new animation that changes your offset)
2014-04-29 18:23 <Aleric> but that bloats the assets server tremendously - while a LOT of this data is only interesting for as long as you are there, in that sim, playing that animation...
2014-04-29 18:23 <AllenKerensky> and some security constraints to keep someone from uploading malicious data that gets shared to those 20 other avatars
2014-04-29 18:23 <justincc> one could make the asset as local and temporary
2014-04-29 18:24 <justincc> you argue that a texture could be mailicious and we do that already
2014-04-29 18:24 <Aleric> Data is different every time should be stored as local asset on the sim - and be deleted when you leave the sim.
2014-04-29 18:24 <justincc> you could argue
2014-04-29 18:24 <justincc> s/make/mark
2014-04-29 18:24 <AllenKerensky> yeah there's plenty of griefy textures in SecondLife
2014-04-29 18:24 <Aleric> If an asset is only interesting at that moment and for avatars that are on that sim - then it should be local - and obviously temporary.
2014-04-29 18:25 <AllenKerensky> and malicious animation files that distort the avatars in various ways
2014-04-29 18:25 <Aleric> I have other ideas that could use this feature (especially temporary/local animations):
2014-04-29 18:25 <Aleric> Imagine that you can puppeteer yourself - pick up your hand put it on the shoulder of your friend sitting next to you.
2014-04-29 18:26 <Aleric> That is a temporary pose - upload it locally as a temporary - it's a one time edit of your arm.
2014-04-29 18:26 <justincc> personally, I would love to see real time pupetteering, using Kinect and similar
2014-04-29 18:26 <Aleric> It would make opensim a LOT more interactive and won't even need viewer changes to see the effect.
2014-04-29 18:26 <justincc> which would involve a lot of streaming of udp data up to the region and back to scene participants
2014-04-29 18:27 <justincc> unless one experimented with peer to peer
2014-04-29 18:27 <justincc> i know Kinect pupeteering has been done via an out of band server
2014-04-29 18:27 <Aleric> The only thing needed for this puppeteering is that you can upload temporary animations (or assets, in general).
2014-04-29 18:28 <justincc> I think you would almost want a separate path to anything elsre so that the server knows to enforce local/temporary rather than relying on the viewer to flag
2014-04-29 18:29 <Aleric> I don't care where they are uploaded to - I just think that they might generate so much data that it would be stupid to store it all permanently - not to mention that you can't really ask money for those uploads or people can't fix their pose a little - or do something personal - except if they pay L$ 10 for every little movement :p
2014-04-29 18:30 <justincc> yes, you certainly wouldn't want to store stuff permanently where there was absolutely no reason to do so
2014-04-29 18:30 <justincc> I know opensim does quite a bit of that but that's not something one wants to extend
2014-04-29 18:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #3520 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-29 18:31 <Aleric> Linden Lab *removed* temporary textures - I think that opensim should do the opposite and allow every type of assets to be uploaded for free, as a temporary. Though you could limit the total amount of bandwidth used like that of course. Ie, if someone starts to upload non-stop sound files to play a radio station then that should not be allowed.
2014-04-29 18:32 <Aleric> At the very least, allow temporary animations - which would probably be more like animation changes / delta's.. maybe have their own format.
2014-04-29 18:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3520: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3520/
2014-04-29 18:35 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add regression test for NPC movement on a variable region.
2014-04-29 18:48 <Aleric> *impressed* I just detached a HUD - rezzed it - unlinked all prims - did something - relinked them - took it back to inventory and then did a 'wear' - and it still remembered where it was attached before correctly :)
2014-04-29 18:50 <mheilman> I just attempted to build opensim master, using mono built from github, on fedora 20, and got the same errors that I got on Ubuntu 14.04: The type or namespace name 'JScript' does not exist in the namespace 'Microsoft'. Are you missing an assembly reference?
2014-04-29 18:50 <mheilman> I think I'm missing something very obvious
2014-04-29 18:50 <justincc> ?  I recently elminiated the JScript stuff I thuoght....
2014-04-29 18:50 <justincc> yeah, I don't see a trace
2014-04-29 18:51 <justincc> except for a commented out using line in Compiler.cs
2014-04-29 18:51 <mheilman> I've been hitting it all day, latest opensim I can get, and mono 3.2, then 3.4, both ubuntu packages and building from source
2014-04-29 18:51 <justincc> pastebin compile error?
2014-04-29 18:54 <mheilman> http://pastebin.com/BwaHrC9r
2014-04-29 18:55 <Aleric> Prebuild/src/Core/Targets/VS2003Target.cs:                                ps.WriteLine("\t\t\t\t  DefaultClientScript = \"JScript\"");
2014-04-29 18:55 <Aleric> Prebuild/src/Core/Targets/VSGenericTarget.cs:                             ps.WriteLine("    <DefaultClientScript>JScript</DefaultClientScript>")
2014-04-29 18:55 <Aleric> :p
2014-04-29 18:56 <justincc> mheilman: are you sure you really have master?  DotNetEngine has not been present in opensim for years and years now
2014-04-29 18:57 <mheilman> you know, I used git clone https://github.com/opensim/opensim.git, but it appears I am on branch incoming, with no other option locally
2014-04-29 18:57 <Aleric> Every .csproj file in my tree contains "<DefaultClientScript>JScript</DefaultClientScript>"
2014-04-29 18:58 <justincc> I suggest cloning the opensimulator.org repo - the github is a mirror
2014-04-29 18:58 <justincc> though it shoud also be fine to draw master from it - not sure why you have incoming
2014-04-29 19:00 <mheilman> I've switched to master, and am trying to compile again
2014-04-29 19:00 <justincc> Aleric: urgh, that's the kind of messy stuff you get when you swallow a project wholesale and start just hacking it
2014-04-29 19:01 <justincc> looks like that's only in vs2003 though
2014-04-29 19:01 <mheilman> I did not get an error that time, I am assuming that the errors exist on the incoming branch, which for whatever reason I was receiving instead of master from github
2014-04-29 19:01 <BlueWall> M$ dropped JS support long ago. We did have it available for scripting once upon a time.
2014-04-29 19:03 <Aleric> I just fetched and merged and it compiles fine.. with 768 warnings :/
2014-04-29 19:03 <AllenKerensky> did you use nant or xbuild Aleric?
2014-04-29 19:03 <Aleric> xbuild
2014-04-29 19:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #3521 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-29 19:09 <mheilman> I just confirmed, my trouble on ubuntu was the same problem, the git clone from github was fetching the 5 year old incoming branch instead of master
2014-04-29 19:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3521: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3521/
2014-04-29 19:10 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Restore terrain height and flying adjustments that were eliminated from non-megaregion paths in ScenePresence.MoveToTarget() by recent patch bc969a6b
2014-04-29 19:12 <justincc> that is odd. github shows the default branch as master
2014-04-29 19:14 <mheilman> I saw that the incoming branch was merged years ago too, and shouldn't appear on its own, I'm assuming its a fluke
2014-04-29 19:14 <mheilman> that happened to me twice in a row
2014-04-29 19:14 <justincc> yeah, that also stops me simply deleting it via the github ui it seems
2014-04-29 19:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #3522 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-29 19:16 <mheilman> new problem, while master built without errors, log4net is now missing
2014-04-29 19:17 <justincc> it would not have built if it was really missing
2014-04-29 19:18 <mheilman> It builds, 4562 warnings and 0 errors, but log4net.dll is not in the bin directory
2014-04-29 19:19 <justincc> it must be, otherwise build would fail
2014-04-29 19:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3522: SUCCESS in 3 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3522/
2014-04-29 19:19 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: convert back some tabs to spaces that got into ScenePresence via recent patch bc969a6b
2014-04-29 19:20 <mheilman> I do have log4net on my system from other packages, would something like that resolve for compile, but reject at runtime?
2014-04-29 19:20 <justincc> I would be surprised, but maybe that's not impossible
2014-04-29 19:20 <justincc> but if you checked out the branch, log4net.dll would come with it in the bin/
2014-04-29 19:20 <zadark> try xbuild /t:clean .. but really afresh clone would be the better option
2014-04-29 19:21 <justincc> in fact, I think it's much more likely the other way around - would fail on build but work on runtime (for some pre-built binary)
2014-04-29 19:22 <mheilman> hmm, now I'm swimming in errors, I'll do a clean checkout
2014-04-29 19:25 <BlueWall> ./runprebuild.sh autoclean too
2014-04-29 19:26 <osmantis> Bug #7142:04 Mumble Development License Change Granted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7142 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-29 19:28 <osmantis> Bug #7142:04 Mumble Development License Change Granted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7142 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-29 19:29 <osmantis> Bug #7142:04 Mumble Development License Change Granted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7142 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-29 19:31 <mheilman> I was on branch incoming again, but running git checkout master before doing anything and I believe it worked
2014-04-29 19:31 <justincc> I suggest you use opensimulator.org's git which shouldn't suffer these issues
2014-04-29 19:32 <mheilman> I can in the future, I was jsut trying to stick to documentation
2014-04-29 19:32 <justincc> our doc says to use the repo in github?
2014-04-29 19:33 <mheilman> no, I was following a piece from Intel
2014-04-29 19:33 <mheilman> hmm, looking back at that, I'm wondering where I got it from.  My apologies
2014-04-29 19:34 <justincc> no worries, was just confusing for a bit :)
2014-04-29 19:34 <BlueWall> mheilman, make sure you remove all dll and project files from previous builds
2014-04-29 19:35 <BlueWall> rm -R ./bin; git reset --hard HEAD
2014-04-29 19:36 <BlueWall> there may be some old instructions out there related to testing feature branches too :S
2014-04-29 19:36 <osmantis> Bug #7051:04 [VAR] osNpcMoveToTarget fails outside of 256 on varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7051 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-29 19:37 <Plugh> Hm... dan's simple llHTTPRequest sample worked. Now I have to figure out why my scripts don't work.
2014-04-29 19:37 <osmantis> Bug #7120:04 NPC's will not move to target varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7120 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-29 19:37 <Plugh> They used to work.
2014-04-29 19:38 <mheilman> nah, switching between gihub and opensimulator, I just whacked the whole repo and re-cloned
2014-04-29 19:40 <justincc> ok, time for me to eat.  Back later
2014-04-29 19:48 <Plugh> Got one of my original test scripts working. I'm narrowing down the problem.
2014-04-29 19:55 <Plugh> The response is getting lost when switching state.
2014-04-29 20:33 <nebadon_> mheilman any luck?
2014-04-29 20:33 <nebadon_> i was afk just got back
2014-04-29 20:33 <nebadon_> oh he left dang
2014-04-29 21:38 <justincc> Plugh: okay, that sounds like the thing to mantis
2014-04-29 21:38 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-04-29 21:39 <Plugh> An educated guess says that something to do with the http_listener is getting reset on state change.
2014-04-29 21:46 <nebadon_> how was todays meeting I miss anything?
2014-04-29 21:46 <justincc> not particularly
2014-04-29 21:47 <Melanie_T> Plugh: when states are switched, the queues are cleared. That hasn't been touched in ages, to my knowledge
2014-04-29 21:47 <Plugh> It used to work in 0.6.9 but it isn't in 0.7.6PF or git master.
2014-04-29 21:48 <nebadon_> I think today was probably the first time I have missed a meeting in a very long time
2014-04-29 21:48 <nebadon_> kind of strange
2014-04-29 21:48 <Plugh> As soon as I put http_listener in the same state as the one that issued the llHTTPRequest I get my results.
2014-04-29 21:48 <nebadon_> though i am also kind of surprised i havent missed more of them during my trip
2014-04-29 21:49 <Plugh> Melanie_T: I get results in Avination with the http_listener in a different state from the llHTTPRequest.
2014-04-29 21:50 <Melanie_T> Plugh: hmmm. i think i'm confuzzling things
2014-04-29 21:50 <Melanie_T> the queues are reset on llResetScript
2014-04-29 21:50 <Melanie_T> not on state changes
2014-04-29 21:50 <Plugh> I have no problem with them being reset on script reset.
2014-04-29 21:51 <Melanie_T> you're right, you should receive the http reply in the new state if that state has a handler
2014-04-29 21:51 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-04-29 21:51 <Plugh> That is how it used to work.
2014-04-29 21:58 <Plugh> bbiab. I have a few things to do around the house (and it is almost time to see about making dinner).
2014-04-29 22:22 <Plugh> Is the fix going to be in the scripting engine or somewhere else in the code?
2014-04-29 22:36 <Plugh> dinner time. bbl.
2014-04-29 23:27 <Melanie_T> Plugh: it can only be in the engine. externa code cannot clear queues. someone must have made a change to the engine at that time.
2014-04-29 23:27 <Melanie_T> it's been a while, 0.6.9 is ancient, no, it's beyond ancient
2014-04-29 23:45 <Plugh> Melanie_T: I know. It has been a while since I wanted to use the LSL/PHP script combo I've been trying to use.
2014-04-29 23:46 <Melanie_T> in all my recent (~4 years) LSL work, I have eschewed states
2014-04-29 23:46 <Plugh> I had a feeling I would wind up poking around in the scripting engine.
2014-04-29 23:46 <Melanie_T> the only reason to use states is to allow different feedback (touchable / not touchable)
2014-04-29 23:47 <Plugh> That would be one reason. There are others.
2014-04-29 23:47 <Melanie_T> so UI scripts may use active/inactive states as the exception but no worker scripts of mine use states
2014-04-29 23:47 <Melanie_T> if a state machine is required, local vars are more reliable
2014-04-29 23:48 <Melanie_T> especially when the intention is to write portable code between sla nd opensim
2014-04-29 23:53 <dahlia> state machines are a common pattern in AI 
2014-04-29 23:55 <Melanie_T> yes, however the lindens' model is severely limited
2014-04-29 23:55 <Melanie_T> i prefer to do my own
2014-04-29 23:55 <dahlia> I do also
2014-04-29 23:55 <dahlia> in fact Ive never used the state handling feature of LSL
2014-04-29 23:56 <Melanie_T> i did in my very first days
2014-04-29 23:56 <Melanie_T> until i discovered the pitfalls in sl
2014-04-29 23:56 <Melanie_T> opensim didn't even support cripting then
2014-04-29 23:56 <Melanie_T> later i found that differences between opensim and sl make using the language support for states a risky proposition
2014-04-29 23:57 <Melanie_T> if you want platform-independent code
2014-04-29 23:57 <dahlia> heh
2014-04-29 23:57 <Plugh> I've never had an issue (until now) with using states in code. Perhaps I've been lucky?
2014-04-29 23:57 <Melanie_T> one of my reasons for not allowing a script to conclusively and easily determine the platform it's run on or the features supported is to create an incentive to write portable code
2014-04-29 23:58 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-04-29 23:58 <dahlia> well I'd like my AI characters to work in unity and opensim and a few other game engines but somehow I dont think they ever will 
2014-04-29 23:58 <Melanie_T> that is why trying to use a disabled osFunction causes a script crash
2014-04-29 23:59 <Melanie_T> the intention is to force the scripter to make a choice - either to write  ascript for a specific grid, using al it's features, or to write a generic script, limiting himself to the LL set
2014-04-30 00:00 <Melanie_T> i will hold that position until SL dies - then the LL function set will be irrelevant
2014-04-30 00:03 <Plugh> Its going to take me a while to even find where the state change stuff is located in the scripting engine. I'll just file a mantis until I have more time to look for the relevant code.
2014-04-30 00:03 <dahlia> well I'd probably assume that the SL set would (in most part) be the base level 
2014-04-30 00:03 <Melanie_T> almost all ossl functions come at a cost
2014-04-30 00:03 <Melanie_T> most have security/riefing implications
2014-04-30 00:03 <Melanie_T> others, like dynamic textures, are lag hgs if misused
2014-04-30 00:04 <Melanie_T> the ll set is safe but too limited
2014-04-30 00:04 <Melanie_T> but the main issue is the language specification
2014-04-30 00:04 <Plugh> and the ll set has its inconsistencies (ie. missing functions).
2014-04-30 00:04 <dahlia> I wouldnt use dynamic textures because they rely on an external service
2014-04-30 00:04 <Melanie_T> it's just stif;ing that environment is no fun
2014-04-30 00:04 <Melanie_T> i meant the texture draw osFunctions
2014-04-30 00:05 <Melanie_T> osDraw...
2014-04-30 00:05 <dahlia> oh havent used that
2014-04-30 00:05 <Plugh> I've used them. They have their uses.
2014-04-30 00:05 <Melanie_T> abused, it causes massive client lag
2014-04-30 00:06 <Plugh> It would be nice if there was a way to have text centered in the osDraw related functions (or a way to find out the width of something to be drawn so it can be manually centered).
2014-04-30 00:06 <Melanie_T> there is no way to center text on an object
2014-04-30 00:06 <Melanie_T> text could be centered on the texture
2014-04-30 00:06 <Melanie_T> that may be a worthwhile addition
2014-04-30 00:07 <Melanie_T> but the object is unknown at the time of texture creation
2014-04-30 00:07 <Melanie_T> so it would be the task of the designer of the prims, sculpts or mesh to uv-map accordingly
2014-04-30 00:07 <AllenKerensky> http://allenkerensky.com/the_fatal_flaw_in_osdraw
2014-04-30 00:08 <Plugh> I've only used the draw functions on flat faces.
2014-04-30 00:08 <Melanie_T> for one of my products, I use an 8-face mesh rather than a five-face prim to do xytext
2014-04-30 00:08 <Plugh> nice. So you get 16 characters at a time with a single prim.
2014-04-30 00:08 <Melanie_T> yup
2014-04-30 00:08 <Melanie_T> or in that case, 8 numbers
2014-04-30 00:08 <Melanie_T> for speed of rezzing, i use 1 face = 1 digit
2014-04-30 00:09 <Melanie_T> i've made a blackbox clone of mobvend...
2014-04-30 00:09 <Melanie_T> that mesh s the amount display
2014-04-30 00:09 <Plugh> what's a 'mobvend'?
2014-04-30 00:09 <Melanie_T> after contacting lucky corp. several times and getting no reply
2014-04-30 00:09 <Melanie_T> i blackboxed their products
2014-04-30 00:10 <Melanie_T> it's a vendor where the price goes down depending on the number of people crowding it
2014-04-30 00:10 <Plugh> Oh, right. I think I've seen something like that ages ago in SL.
2014-04-30 00:10 <Melanie_T> yup
2014-04-30 00:10 <Melanie_T> before sl malls were ruined by marketplace
2014-04-30 00:11 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-04-30 00:11 <Melanie_T> mobvend allowed you to get something for cheap
2014-04-30 00:11 <Melanie_T> for investing 15 minutes of socializing
2014-04-30 00:11 <Plugh> I gave up my small shop space in a sandbox in SL as the only sales I was getting were coming from Marketplace. Was very rare to get an in-world sale.
2014-04-30 00:11 <Melanie_T> the mobvend hopper crews becme friends and many ppl on my sl fl are from that time
2014-04-30 00:12 <Melanie_T> that is why avn has no marketplace
2014-04-30 00:12 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-04-30 00:12 <Melanie_T> it detracts from the social experience
2014-04-30 00:12 <Plugh> now we have people making a marketplace for the entire HG universe.
2014-04-30 00:12 <AllenKerensky> amen Melanie amen - LL totally missed the boat by making web pages instead of more 3D experience in their world
2014-04-30 00:12 <Melanie_T> it fosters a culture of buying on the web, putting things on in one's skybox, taking selfies and then just posting those on flickr
2014-04-30 00:12 <Melanie_T> no one in sl moves theyr avatar anymore
2014-04-30 00:13 <Melanie_T> asked why, the answer is "lag"
2014-04-30 00:13 <AllenKerensky> when was the last time you saw vehicles widely used in SecondLife?
2014-04-30 00:13 <Melanie_T> AllenKerenskyif i want to web-shop, i buy some rl stiff
2014-04-30 00:13 <Melanie_T> stuff*
2014-04-30 00:13 <dahlia> AllenKerensky: one reason why osdraw likely wont be extended as you describe is drawing to a dynamic texture and sending it to all viewers is the *wrong* way to do it. It should send the draw command list to the viewer to be rendered there instead.
2014-04-30 00:14 <Melanie_T> but i'd rather go shopping with friends, bags of fun to be had
2014-04-30 00:14 <dahlia> and avoid the texture completely
2014-04-30 00:14 <Plugh> widely? Only new people playing in a sandbox with the (typically free) vehicles they just got. Sometimes some people with motorcycles but not as often.
2014-04-30 00:14 <AllenKerensky> nod dahlia I mention that near the bottom
2014-04-30 00:14 <dahlia> oh didnt read that far
2014-04-30 00:14 <AllenKerensky> "Instead of server side rendering, it would have to be pushed to the client."
2014-04-30 00:15 <Melanie_T> AllenKerensky: that requires canvas support inthe client. desirabe but not happening yet
2014-04-30 00:15 <Plugh> Not sure what to call a function that would determine the width of something to be drawn.
2014-04-30 00:15 <dahlia> considering opengl has 2d drawing capability.... <.<  >.>
2014-04-30 00:15 <Melanie_T> Plugh: what is that important for?
2014-04-30 00:15 <Plugh> A function to get the width that will be used will allow calculating position to do center and right justification.
2014-04-30 00:15 <AllenKerensky> yes the article was just capturing some thinking out loud as I was messing with osDraw for some hare-brained idea or another
2014-04-30 00:16 <Melanie_T> Plugh: the current dyn texture drawing uses a fixed size texture. your script can do centering on the texture
2014-04-30 00:16 <AllenKerensky> i think I was drawing character sheets and status on a prim
2014-04-30 00:16 <Melanie_T> centering the texture o the object is the builder's responsibility
2014-04-30 00:16 <Plugh> Melanie_T: But it requires a lot of trial and error to get the coordinate so it is centered.
2014-04-30 00:17 <Melanie_T> Plugh: no
2014-04-30 00:18 <Melanie_T> Plugh: get a local copy of the ttf file used by the server
2014-04-30 00:18 <Melanie_T> write a helper program using GetTextMetrics
2014-04-30 00:18 <Plugh> How do you center it without trying different x offsets until it looks centered?
2014-04-30 00:18 <Melanie_T> host that on a server
2014-04-30 00:18 <Melanie_T> query it via http for the string you want to center
2014-04-30 00:18 <Melanie_T> and centr it
2014-04-30 00:19 <Melanie_T> the entire api is designed to make you host processing-intensive tasks off-sim
2014-04-30 00:19 <Plugh> That's almost more trouble than its worth for the few times I use the dynamic texture features.
2014-04-30 00:19 <dahlia> one could just write eps and call ghostscript and have it render to an image
2014-04-30 00:19 <Melanie_T> the sim can't be arsed to calculate font metrics including pair kerning, etc
2014-04-30 00:20 <Melanie_T> it's got better things to do like provide lag free movement
2014-04-30 00:20 <dahlia> 
ACTION used to write printer drivers for a living.....

2014-04-30 00:20 <Melanie_T> dahlia, you can't get it up the stairs ;)
2014-04-30 00:20 <Melanie_T> i know you can lace the reference
2014-04-30 00:20 <Melanie_T> place*
2014-04-30 00:21 <dahlia> Melanie_T: wasnt suggesting I could
2014-04-30 00:21 <dahlia> reference?
2014-04-30 00:21 <Plugh> ok. So no point working on a way to do this in the grid code as it seems it wouldn't be accepted. I use dynamic textures sometimes as quick textures in early stages of developing a product until I have time to do properl texture to be imported to the grid.
2014-04-30 00:21 <Melanie_T> if you tell me you never played colossal cave, i'm going to lose my religion
2014-04-30 00:22 <dahlia> Ive played it
2014-04-30 00:22 <dahlia> but its been a while
2014-04-30 00:22 <Melanie_T> Plugh: it's trivial to get draw size of a given font in php
2014-04-30 00:22 <Plugh> I've played Adventure. I haven't played a game that was actually called Colossal Cave.
2014-04-30 00:22 <Melanie_T> centering is a http request away
2014-04-30 00:22 <Melanie_T> Plugh: outside of the fortran world, colossal cave was called adventure
2014-04-30 00:23 <dahlia> colossal cave was also called adventure
2014-04-30 00:23 <Melanie_T> but if you haven't uploaded the game using punch cards, you're not part of the set
2014-04-30 00:23 <AllenKerensky> "maze of twisty passages, all alike" is the usual "in-joke" for those
2014-04-30 00:23 <Plugh> ok. I have a printed copy of the Fortran source code for Adventure (or Collosal Cave) and the database.
2014-04-30 00:23 <Melanie_T> twisty little maze of passages, all diferent :)
2014-04-30 00:24 <Melanie_T> "kill dragon"
2014-04-30 00:24 <Melanie_T> "with what? your bare hands?"
2014-04-30 00:24 <Melanie_T> "yes"
2014-04-30 00:24 <Plugh> It was printed on an IBM 1403 line printer with that wide paper they used to use.
2014-04-30 00:24 <Melanie_T> "unbeliavable, you jus killed a dragon with your bare hands"
2014-04-30 00:24 <Melanie_T> "take rug"
2014-04-30 00:24 <Melanie_T> "ok"
2014-04-30 00:24 <Melanie_T> :)
2014-04-30 00:24 <Plugh> :
2014-04-30 00:24 <Plugh> :)
2014-04-30 00:24 <dahlia> the one I played was written in a variant of basic that ran on an ancient hp desktop workstation
2014-04-30 00:24 <Plugh> Watch out for flying rusty knives
2014-04-30 00:25 <Melanie_T> i played the fortran one on a mainframe
2014-04-30 00:25 <dahlia> "blast"
2014-04-30 00:25 <Melanie_T> without permission, of course
2014-04-30 00:25 <Melanie_T> a hacker is no good unless a hacker hacks
2014-04-30 00:25 <Plugh> I think I played it first on a DEC terminal. The one that was a keyboard with a built-in printer instead of a screen.
2014-04-30 00:26 <dahlia> well where I worked, they wouldnt give you root unless you got it for yourself :P
2014-04-30 00:26 <Melanie_T> a teletype
2014-04-30 00:26 <Melanie_T> dahlia: got you :)
2014-04-30 00:26 <Plugh> I had a copy of Adventure on a floppy disc that would run on an Apple ][ in 48k of RAM.
2014-04-30 00:26 <Melanie_T> dahlia: booting the BOFH
2014-04-30 00:27 <AllenKerensky> 
ACTION listens idly to the kids while playing Space War on a PDP-1 emulator, compiled from original source

2014-04-30 00:27 <Melanie_T> emus are so _lame_
2014-04-30 00:27 <dahlia> Plugh: anyway the one I played was called "advent" but it was a port of colossal cave
2014-04-30 00:28 <Plugh> In high school, for a couple weeks, a Monday morning activity was reloading the BASIC interpreter in to the core memory of a "portable computer" that the Board of Education left at my school 
2014-04-30 00:28 <Melanie_T> dahlia: "advent" was the short name of adventure because file names on many OSes were too short to spell adventure
2014-04-30 00:28 <AllenKerensky> cheaper than the 'lectricity for an actual PDP-1 - emus are greener =)
2014-04-30 00:28 <Plugh> dahlia, right. Advent was the one that was played on the DEC terminals that had the printer instead of screen.
2014-04-30 00:28 <dahlia> pdp1? sigh my first experience with a dec computer was a pdp 11/45 running RSTS/E
2014-04-30 00:29 <AllenKerensky> well yeah - mine was an 11/70
2014-04-30 00:29 <Plugh> A few years after high school I got to operate a PDP 11/34 that was running RSX-11/M
2014-04-30 00:29 <Melanie_T> argh!
2014-04-30 00:29 <Melanie_T> we're donosaurs
2014-04-30 00:29 <AllenKerensky> TOPS/RTOS
2014-04-30 00:29 <Melanie_T> dinosaurs ')
2014-04-30 00:29 <AllenKerensky> yeah - I make my kids play Atari 2600 and C64 just to learn what things were like before tablet and cell phone gaming *laughing*
2014-04-30 00:29 <Melanie_T> by now we mut have lost all the kids
2014-04-30 00:30 <dahlia> if anyone hasnt had to enter bootloaders by toggling front panel switches, GTFO :P
2014-04-30 00:30 <Plugh> I still have a couple of programs that mostly filled a box of punch cards. I also still have the control drum from an old IBM keypunch machine.
2014-04-30 00:30 <Melanie_T> i let them use my superbrain II
2014-04-30 00:30 <Melanie_T> they broke the keyboard, too
2014-04-30 00:30 <AllenKerensky> my son learned BASIC at age 10 on a Tandy CoCo2 emulator and MS Basic 1978
2014-04-30 00:30 <Melanie_T> no way to get replacement keys
2014-04-30 00:30 <AllenKerensky> nodnod dahlia
2014-04-30 00:30 <AllenKerensky> wait up down up what?
2014-04-30 00:30 <Melanie_T> lol
2014-04-30 00:30 <AllenKerensky> mostly kids know the konami code as a joke from cartoons
2014-04-30 00:31 <Plugh> dahlia: I was lucky. The boot loader for the HP 2114 was built-in. You just had to push a sequence of 6 buttons to have it load its memory from paper tape.
2014-04-30 00:32 <dahlia> Plugh: well your excused if it was HP :)
2014-04-30 00:32 <Melanie_T> by now i feel like the baby of the bunch
2014-04-30 00:32 <Plugh> BTW, for those of you familiar with the IBM System 360, this month is its 50th anniversary.
2014-04-30 00:32 <Melanie_T> i know these machines but never used them
2014-04-30 00:32 <smxy> I played Rogue on the PDP-11 in college. :)
2014-04-30 00:32 <Melanie_T> i did use paper tape
2014-04-30 00:32 <Melanie_T> just not on a 2114
2014-04-30 00:32 <Plugh> The machine that came to my school was a 2114 with the paper tape reader attached. Never seen a picture of that combination online.
2014-04-30 00:32 <dahlia> I remember that oily smelly paper tape stuff
2014-04-30 00:33 <AllenKerensky> I remember with joy when I got a casette drive and sold my punch card loader at a CoCo club swap meet
2014-04-30 00:33 <dahlia> and punching it out on a teletype 
2014-04-30 00:33 <Plugh> I still remember the sound of the mark sense cards going through the card reader followed by the rattling noise of the ASR-33 teletype when it printed out the program listings.
2014-04-30 00:33 <AllenKerensky> I ran out and bought "Zaxxon" on tape to celebrate
2014-04-30 00:33 <dahlia> and 110 baud modems
2014-04-30 00:33 <Plugh> and how the teletype shook the desk it was on.
2014-04-30 00:33 <Melanie_T> couplers
2014-04-30 00:34 <AllenKerensky> dahlia push-to-connect 110 before Hayes AT command set
2014-04-30 00:34 <Melanie_T> i could sing a 110 baud carrier
2014-04-30 00:34 <Plugh> hehe., yeah. those old acoustic couplers. They were on those dial-up dec terminal things.
2014-04-30 00:34 <AllenKerensky> "set the tone to Answer or Originate - call the number - when you hear the carrier, press the CARRIER button and hang up the handset"
2014-04-30 00:34 <dahlia> AllenKerensky: acoustic couplers and manual dialing
2014-04-30 00:34 <dahlia> on rotary phones 
2014-04-30 00:34 <Melanie_T> argh
2014-04-30 00:34 <AllenKerensky> the old rotary bakelites *laughing*
2014-04-30 00:34 <Melanie_T> we had touch tones
2014-04-30 00:34 <Melanie_T> barely
2014-04-30 00:35 <BlueWall> http://www.corestore.org/32b-1.jpg
2014-04-30 00:35 <Melanie_T> blueboxing still worked
2014-04-30 00:35 <AllenKerensky> ever modem on a party line... listing out a remote file and TRASH because someone picked up the line
2014-04-30 00:35 <BlueWall> I was given one of those that suffered a lightening hit :/
2014-04-30 00:35 <dahlia> I wonder if rotary phones still work
2014-04-30 00:35 <Melanie_T> they do
2014-04-30 00:36 <AllenKerensky> if you can find a line to even plug it in ... many places don't have landline service anymore
2014-04-30 00:36 <Melanie_T> you can sill do switchhook da=ialing
2014-04-30 00:36 <Melanie_T> dialing*
2014-04-30 00:36 <dahlia> they still have landlines but they use them for DSL now
2014-04-30 00:36 <AllenKerensky> you would think things would be more fun now - but it seems less in many ways
2014-04-30 00:36 <BlueWall> I'll bet all the phreaking boxes no longer work.
2014-04-30 00:36 <Melanie_T> no
2014-04-30 00:37 <Melanie_T> blue box was killed inthe early 80s
2014-04-30 00:37 <AllenKerensky> BlueWall 5ESS killed most in-band signaling
2014-04-30 00:37 <Melanie_T> black box a year later
2014-04-30 00:37 <dahlia> I had a box that would emulate the sounds that pay phones made when you drop coins in
2014-04-30 00:37 <BlueWall> hehe
2014-04-30 00:37 <AllenKerensky> red box
2014-04-30 00:37 <Melanie_T> that is a "black box"
2014-04-30 00:38 <Melanie_T> the installed notch filters in '82
2014-04-30 00:38 <Melanie_T> since then, the mic would no longer forward those
2014-04-30 00:38 <AllenKerensky> now its all SIP hacking
2014-04-30 00:38 <BlueWall> I love the movie "Sneakers"
2014-04-30 00:39 <AllenKerensky> and if you can stand it - the movie Hackers also has a lot of inside jokes and homages hidden in between the ... rest
2014-04-30 00:40 <Melanie_T> "pool must have srpung a leak"
2014-04-30 00:40 <Melanie_T> sprung*
2014-04-30 00:40 <AllenKerensky> the best IMO was getting the top cop listed as "dead"
2014-04-30 00:40 <Melanie_T> yeah, that worked
2014-04-30 00:41 <Melanie_T> they stole the entire concept in "the net"
2014-04-30 00:41 <AllenKerensky> ugh yeah I remember cringing through that
2014-04-30 00:42 <AllenKerensky> but now there's the 3D world
2014-04-30 00:42 <AllenKerensky> just need it to push the boring and commercial ridden 2D web aside
2014-04-30 00:43 <AllenKerensky> of course, now I have to go play my Vectrex and finish this nostalgia binge
2014-04-30 00:45 <Melanie_T> lol
2014-04-30 00:48 <Plugh> Finally remembered the name of the that DEC terminal device. It was a DECwriter.
2014-04-30 00:58 <dahlia> Plugh: was that the thing that could draw graphs?
2014-04-30 00:58 <dahlia> oh maybe Im thinking tektronix
2014-04-30 01:12 <Plugh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-DEC-DIGITAL-DECWRITER-II-LA36-LINE-TERMINAL-PRINTER-LA36-DK-/321369350761
2014-04-30 01:12 <Plugh> It could if you wanted it to.
2014-04-30 01:12 <Plugh> I remember them also used to do programming in APL.
2014-04-30 01:45 <dahlia> oh ok I remember those
2014-04-30 01:46 <dahlia> somehow I was thinking one of these tho http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tektronix_4010
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2014-04-30 09:55 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-30 11:34 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar forever on login on OSGrid add-on regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-30 11:49 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-04-30 15:08 <smxy> I thought it's been said, many times, that assets don't get deleted. I've got a copy of my database, that I compare against, and keep in sync with, the original, using dbForge Studio. I synced the DBs a few days ago and now, when I compare them, I see that while 3615 assets have been added, 2422, of varying types, none temporary, have been deleted ...
2014-04-30 15:10 <Plugh> I've seen situations where items or textures appear to have gone missing. No idea why. I figured it might have been some kind of database corruption.
2014-04-30 16:28 <justincc> hi lkalif
2014-04-30 17:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #3523 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-30 17:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3523: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3523/
2014-04-30 17:10 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add "terrain show" console command which outputs terrain height for a given region co-ordinate.
2014-04-30 17:55 <smxy> Plugh: But doesn't having 2,422 assets disappear from the DB sound ... wrong?
2014-04-30 17:55 <Plugh> It does.
2014-04-30 17:56 <Plugh> I don't have any way of checking what assets may have gotten lost other than when doing an oar save or using something that refers to missing items.
2014-04-30 17:56 <smxy> That's why I bought a tool to do comparisons.
2014-04-30 17:57 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-04-30 17:57 <smxy> I wanted to see what was changing and I understand most of it, except for these deletions.
2014-04-30 17:57 <Plugh> Tracking down what operations, or circumstances, results in lost data is next but that may be difficult.
2014-04-30 17:58 <Plugh> I see references to missing assets in my own standalone that I use for testing and local development of things.
2014-04-30 18:02 <smxy> I guess MySQL's query log could be used to find the deletes, then trace back from there. I may have to turn that logging on.
2014-04-30 18:02 <Plugh> Sounds like a place to start.
2014-04-30 18:04 <smxy> Then again, one can question the tool, too. I just reran the comparision and now it says only 2,077 asset records are gone. I somehow gained 345 of them back?
2014-04-30 18:05 <paulieflomar> oh MY
2014-04-30 18:05 <smxy> Yes ...
2014-04-30 18:10 <osmantis> Bug #7143:04 3f76f721372496011efc9328783f9f446b91a92b 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7143 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-04-30 18:10 <smxy> That is a pretty USELESS mantis description.
2014-04-30 18:11 <justincc> Plugh: I haven't yet learnt to read UUIDs :)
2014-04-30 18:11 <smxy> And putting the same info in three sections?
2014-04-30 18:11 <smxy> That's a pretty screwed up mantis.
2014-04-30 18:12 <smxy> Actually, 4 sections, lol.
2014-04-30 18:12 <Plugh> mantis is screwing up on me today.
2014-04-30 18:12 <Plugh> That isn't what I submitted.
2014-04-30 18:12 <Dev_Random> take a mulligan
2014-04-30 18:13 <smxy> I don't know that idiom. :)
2014-04-30 18:13 <Plugh> its a good thing I've learned to save all my comments to a local file before submitting.
2014-04-30 18:13 <Plugh> or I thought I had. 
2014-04-30 18:14 <Plugh> I really hate mantis at times. 
2014-04-30 18:14 <justincc> yes,I love it when it says my session timed out just after I've written a very lengthy comment and I can't get it back
2014-04-30 18:14 <Plugh> You have to prep the comments first then C&P in to the report or else it will invalidate the post and you lose the information.
2014-04-30 18:14 <Plugh> exactly. :P
2014-04-30 18:14 <Plugh> Grrr
2014-04-30 18:14 <justincc> need to update it really, I expect it's a pretty old version
2014-04-30 18:15 <Plugh> If an update will fix that issue, please update it.
2014-04-30 18:15 <smxy> I usually just hit the back button then submit again and am fine.
2014-04-30 18:15 <justincc> unfortunately, I have to spend my scarce time on opensim bugs
2014-04-30 18:15 <justincc> or things i'm being paid for :)
2014-04-30 18:15 <BlueWall> OpenSim has bugs?
2014-04-30 18:15 <Plugh> smxy, often with forms, hitting back button gets you back to the entry form with all entries removed.
2014-04-30 18:15 <justincc> back button loses the text for me
2014-04-30 18:15 <Plugh> BlueWall, we are talking about mantis
2014-04-30 18:16 <justincc> OpenSim: I've heard rumour. I'm still trying to catch on eof the little blighters
2014-04-30 18:16 <justincc> er, BlueWall
2014-04-30 18:16 <BlueWall> hehe
2014-04-30 18:16 <Plugh> Looks like I have to do all my comments over again. 
2014-04-30 18:16 <BlueWall> cat<<EOF>BugReport.txt|mailto -s "Bad Bug" mantis@opensim.org
2014-04-30 18:17 <BlueWall> lol that wouldn't work, nevermind
2014-04-30 18:17 <justincc> god I hope not
2014-04-30 18:17 <justincc> last thing I need is people spamming the mantis again
2014-04-30 18:17 <Plugh> Nice. FOr once I hit back and I still have all my original data. Now to copy/paste it to a local file again, make sure its saved locally then I can fix that report.
2014-04-30 18:20 <osmantis> Bug #7143:04 3f76f721372496011efc9328783f9f446b91a92b 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7143 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-30 18:21 <osmantis> Bug #7143:04 llHTTP_Request gets no returned data after a state change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7143 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-04-30 18:21 <smxy> That's not much of an improvement. :)
2014-04-30 18:21 <smxy> LOL
2014-04-30 18:21 <Plugh> Why not? That is a clear statement of the problem.
2014-04-30 18:22 <Plugh> Mantis seems to have accepted the data it was given this time.
2014-04-30 18:22 <smxy> I went to the mantis again and all I see changed is that you updated the git revision field correctly this time. But the summary and  most of the bosy still look wrong.
2014-04-30 18:22 <smxy> body*
2014-04-30 18:23 <Plugh> Look again.
2014-04-30 18:23 <smxy> For example, the same text appears in description, steps to reproduce and additional info
2014-04-30 18:23 <smxy> Okay, after about 5 refreshes, it looks reasonable now.
2014-04-30 18:24 <BlueWall> smxy you need to quit using IE :p
2014-04-30 18:24 <smxy> It's Chrome.
2014-04-30 18:24 <smxy> :p
2014-04-30 18:24 <BlueWall> haha
2014-04-30 18:24 <Plugh> I was tempted to put that on the 0.8 milestone as I want it fixed soon.
2014-04-30 18:24 <smxy> BTW, there's a new one for you, too.
2014-04-30 18:24 <smxy> I added it the other day.
2014-04-30 18:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #3524 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-30 18:24 <smxy> #7133
2014-04-30 18:25 <Plugh> smxy: I submitted the report using Chrome.
2014-04-30 18:25 <BlueWall> ok
2014-04-30 18:25 <smxy> Plugh: Maybe it's chrome messing us both up. :)
2014-04-30 18:25 <Plugh> Possible. 
2014-04-30 18:26 <BlueWall> There's a new browser named Copper. It's distributed by the NSA
2014-04-30 18:27 <Plugh> Does it come with built-in reporting back to the agency of what you do with the browser?  ;)
2014-04-30 18:28 <BlueWall> yes, haha
2014-04-30 18:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3524: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3524/
2014-04-30 18:28 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Print output in response to terrain console commands on the console rather than in the log.
2014-04-30 18:30 <Plugh> justincc: I've been thinking a couple of times lately that I should let you give me the perms to access the website stuff but then I think that I have enough to do as it is.
2014-04-30 18:32 <justincc> to update stuff?
2014-04-30 18:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #3525 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-30 18:43 <Plugh> justincc: update stuff or to get something back online after the outage a few days ago. Anyway, it was just a passing thought. I have enough things to deal with already.
2014-04-30 18:44 <justincc> if you do want them, just let me knwo
2014-04-30 18:44 <Plugh> sure.
2014-04-30 18:44 <Plugh> Any thoughts as to where to look in the code about how state changes are handled in the scripting engine?
2014-04-30 18:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3525: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3525/
2014-04-30 18:45 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Correct mistake in terrain flip error message from previous commit 5d01a1f
2014-04-30 18:47 <Dev_Random> Plugh:  looks like your issue might be expected behaviour:   http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/State
2014-04-30 18:47 <Dev_Random> On state change all listens are released.
2014-04-30 18:47 <Plugh> Dev, It doesn't involve a listen.
2014-04-30 18:48 <BlueWall> Plugh, does it work in SL?
2014-04-30 18:48 <justincc> Dev_Random: I believe that's the listen event rather than llHttp stuff
2014-04-30 18:48 <Dev_Random> okay... I took it as an abstract listen... not a "lllisten"
2014-04-30 18:48 <justincc> yeah, you'll see the def if you follow the link
2014-04-30 18:49 <Plugh> BlueWall: My original scripts came from SL.
2014-04-30 18:49 <Plugh> s/My/The/
2014-04-30 18:49 <BlueWall> OK, I never have tried switching states in the middle of something like that before.
2014-04-30 18:51 <Plugh> BlueWall: Yes, it does work in SL and in Avination.
2014-04-30 18:52 <BlueWall> And do you have any idea about when it quit working?
2014-04-30 18:54 <Plugh> Sometime after 0.6.9
2014-04-30 18:54 <BlueWall> Ohhh, WOW
2014-04-30 18:55 <Plugh> That was around the last time I was actively using my gadgets that retrieved data from a database. I can't be more specific than that.
2014-04-30 18:55 <BlueWall> I wasa going to suggest using git bisect, but that wouldn't be helpful with that much of a timespan
2014-04-30 18:55 <Plugh> no.
2014-04-30 18:55 <justincc> ok, I had a brief look and my suspicions center around ScriptInstance:814 in EventProcessor() where the state change is handled
2014-04-30 18:56 <justincc> when handling the state change, the http requests are stopped in AsyncCommandManager.RemoveScript()
2014-04-30 18:56 <Melanie_T> you'd be looking at something that changed inside xengone/script state since 0.6.9
2014-04-30 18:56 <Plugh> justincc: Do you have the path to that file so I don't have to search?
2014-04-30 18:57 <Melanie_T> i know the framework / http modules are good because it works with our engine
2014-04-30 18:57 <Melanie_T> so the issue has to be inside xengine
2014-04-30 18:57 <Melanie_T> and a state change should definitely not call RemoveScript
2014-04-30 18:57 <Melanie_T> that's not how that was designed.
2014-04-30 18:57 <justincc> find . -type -name "ScriptInstance"
2014-04-30 18:58 <Plugh> ooops. ScriptInstance. I looked for ScriptEngine. 
2014-04-30 18:59 <Plugh> First thing I don't like is the comment. ->  // Hardcoded state change
2014-04-30 18:59 <Plugh> Hardcoded stuff can be a problem sometimes or indicate something done "temporarily".
2014-04-30 18:59 <Melanie_T> i think a good starting point is to git blame on that line
2014-04-30 18:59 <Melanie_T> not the comment
2014-04-30 18:59 <Plugh> I can comment out the RemoveScript call and see if that fixes the issue.
2014-04-30 18:59 <Melanie_T> but the removescript
2014-04-30 19:00 <justincc> you could try commenting out the remove.  But as Dev_Random linked earlier, some things do need to be released on state change, such as listens
2014-04-30 19:00 <Melanie_T> see what patch it's part of and what the intention was
2014-04-30 19:00 <Plugh> ok, sounds like we are all in agreement. :)
2014-04-30 19:00 <justincc> also, it's supposed to clear the vent queue
2014-04-30 19:00 <Melanie_T> state changes don't clear the event queue
2014-04-30 19:01 <Melanie_T> that leads to massive data loss and most scripts breaking
2014-04-30 19:01 <justincc> Melanie_T: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/State says they do
2014-04-30 19:01 <Melanie_T> it doesn't do it
2014-04-30 19:01 <Melanie_T> not in sl and not elsewhere
2014-04-30 19:01 <Plugh> commit acb1355ff203b55ae2581b5606e251b8fa91b252
2014-04-30 19:01 <justincc> so you're saying the sl wiki page is wrong?
2014-04-30 19:01 <Melanie_T> it's outdated
2014-04-30 19:01 <Plugh> Date:   Thu Mar 15 02:02:31 2012 +0000 with the commit message Remove property/field duplication in ScriptInstance where it's unnecessary.
2014-04-30 19:01 <Melanie_T> the event queue is not cleared
2014-04-30 19:01 <justincc> ok
2014-04-30 19:02 <Melanie_T> that page was written before there were http requests
2014-04-30 19:02 <justincc> it lists a bunch of stuff that is released, like listens and sensors
2014-04-30 19:02 <justincc> unless that's also wrong
2014-04-30 19:02 <Melanie_T> what happens is that any events resulting from lisyen and timer are cleared
2014-04-30 19:02 <Plugh> BTW, someone known as justincc made that change. :)
2014-04-30 19:02 <Melanie_T> and sensor, too, yes
2014-04-30 19:02 <Melanie_T> those events are cleared
2014-04-30 19:02 <justincc> but what about those listens and sensors themselves?
2014-04-30 19:02 <Melanie_T> basically, all events related to features that get reset
2014-04-30 19:02 <Melanie_T> listen, timer, sensor
2014-04-30 19:02 <justincc> not just the events they may have generated
2014-04-30 19:03 <Melanie_T> but not anything related to http, neither in nor out
2014-04-30 19:03 <Melanie_T> because that would disrupt the protocols and there is no way in lsl to recover from it
2014-04-30 19:03 <Melanie_T> i believe also pending dataserver events are cleared
2014-04-30 19:03 <justincc> so RemoveScript may be doing that but also collatoral dmg like clearing http events
2014-04-30 19:03 <Melanie_T> possibly
2014-04-30 19:03 <justincc> so commenting out the RemoveScript line could be a good initial test but may not be the final solution
2014-04-30 19:03 <Melanie_T> i doubt is hould be called there
2014-04-30 19:04 <Melanie_T> yes, that is a valid test
2014-04-30 19:04 <Plugh> Rebuilding now...
2014-04-30 19:04 <justincc> meh, sounds like it's a case of going and actually testing what sl is doing
2014-04-30 19:04 <Melanie_T> Plugh, i'd suggest you go ahead and test that
2014-04-30 19:04 <justincc> rather than relying on that wiki page
2014-04-30 19:04 <Plugh> I wonder what the other wiki page has to say about state changes
2014-04-30 19:04 <Melanie_T> in sl, in fact, you may get a timer() hit in the new state after state change
2014-04-30 19:05 <Melanie_T> there are loads of races we can't hope to accurately dupliate
2014-04-30 19:05 <Plugh> For comparison -> http://lslwiki.net/lslwiki/wakka.php?wakka=state
2014-04-30 19:05 <Melanie_T> but these are bugs
2014-04-30 19:05 <Melanie_T> not deterministic and i dont know of script exploiting these bugs
2014-04-30 19:05 <justincc> I'm not sure anybody maintains that lslwiki anymore
2014-04-30 19:05 <justincc> though it still has a lot of valuable info
2014-04-30 19:05 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-04-30 19:06 <justincc> ha, a few recent edits in april 2014 but a gap of 2 years to nov 2012
2014-04-30 19:06 <justincc> er, 1.5 years
2014-04-30 19:06 <BlueWall> it has some recent changes
2014-04-30 19:06 <BlueWall> yep, few
2014-04-30 19:07 <justincc> ok, I need to go eat.  Back later
2014-04-30 19:07 <BlueWall> o/
2014-04-30 19:12 <Plugh> 
ACTION waits for logins to be enabled

2014-04-30 19:14 <smxy> danbanner: Now that justincc gave me a way to maybe debug the collisions issue, it, of course, refuses to happen. And I can't reboot the region until it does. Heh. :)
2014-04-30 19:15 <Plugh> What's going on with master or is it the viewer? I can't drag an item from inventory to the ground to rez it.
2014-04-30 19:15 <smxy> I can, Plugh, with code from the 24th.
2014-04-30 19:16 <Plugh> I'm using Kokua viewer with latest git master.
2014-04-30 19:16 <smxy> Firestorm 4.5.1 beta
2014-04-30 19:18 <Plugh> justincc, Melanie_T: With that RemoveScript line removed the script is received the response to the llHTTPRequest call.
2014-04-30 19:20 <Plugh> FYI, There is a separate EventQueue.Clear() call. It is used in line 987 in the ResetScript() routine.
2014-04-30 19:31 <Plugh> Yup. It is the remove script call that messes things up for me. In that function in AsyncCommandManager.cs it has a comment that says "Remove from: HttpRequest".
2014-04-30 19:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #3526 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-30 19:48 <Melanie_T> Plugh: AsyncCommandManager is fine.
2014-04-30 19:48 <Melanie_T> That method does what it should
2014-04-30 19:48 <Melanie_T> it's just called in a place where it shouldnt have been
2014-04-30 19:48 <Melanie_T> likely because of that erroneous wiki page
2014-04-30 19:49 <Melanie_T> a page that was written before script http existed
2014-04-30 19:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3526: SUCCESS in 3 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3526/
2014-04-30 19:49 <osjenkins> bluewall: Assign value to 'vector' to fix building under xbuild and Monodevelop
2014-04-30 19:50 <Plugh> The other wiki page says -> When a state changes, all pending events are cleared, and many (but not all) events that require setup (via a function) are defaulted (disabled).
2014-04-30 19:50 <Plugh> It is that "but not all" bit that is a problem as it doesn't state what isn't included.
2014-04-30 19:51 <lkalif> nebadon2: someone complains about osgrid download page calling firestorm beta https://twitter.com/batate/status/461592224103686144
2014-04-30 19:52 <nebadon2> hmm do we
2014-04-30 19:52 <nebadon2> let me look
2014-04-30 19:52 <nebadon2> huh ya we do
2014-04-30 19:52 <nebadon2> I am guessing danbanner may have set that a while back and forgot maybe
2014-04-30 19:53 <Melanie_T> Plugh: that is also incorrect
2014-04-30 19:53 <nebadon2> it was not on purpose though, just an oversite i'll fix it unless dan shows up real quick and fixes it before me
2014-04-30 19:53 <Melanie_T> http-caused events are never cleared
2014-04-30 19:53 <Melanie_T> neither pending http-in requests nor responses to http-out requests are dropped
2014-04-30 19:53 <Plugh> Melanie_T: That would be covered by the "but not all' part as it's setup is via a function.
2014-04-30 19:53 <lkalif> nebadon2: just came across my twitter feed ;)
2014-04-30 19:53 <Melanie_T> also, the most important thing, link messages are _bever_ cleared
2014-04-30 19:54 <nebadon2> thanks lkalif
2014-04-30 19:54 <Melanie_T> never*
2014-04-30 19:55 <Plugh> What about sensor results? Is that supposed to get cleared? It looks as if it is also cleared on state change.
2014-04-30 19:56 <Melanie_T> yes
2014-04-30 19:56 <nebadon2> ok its fixed lkalif if you care to respond on twitter :) thanks again
2014-04-30 19:57 <Melanie_T> sensor, timer, listen
2014-04-30 19:57 <Melanie_T> and dataserver
2014-04-30 19:57 <Melanie_T> which are the 4 events that existed whe that page was written
2014-04-30 19:57 <Melanie_T> i am not sure if collisions are cleared but that would make no sense
2014-04-30 19:58 <Melanie_T> also, whether or not touches are cleared is unknown
2014-04-30 19:58 <Plugh> Melanie_T: RemoveScript also removes xmlrpc events
2014-04-30 19:58 <Melanie_T> http_request, http_response, link_message are never touched
2014-04-30 19:58 <Melanie_T> i'm not sure of they would be removed. xmlrpc existed when that page was written
2014-04-30 19:58 <Melanie_T> but xmlrpc was already unusable 6 years ago in sl
2014-04-30 19:59 <Melanie_T> i doubt anyone still uses it. you have 50+% data loss and response times between 30 and 129 seonds
2014-04-30 19:59 <Melanie_T> it's neither fast nr reliable
2014-04-30 19:59 <nebadon2> oh it was aiaustin reporting it
2014-04-30 19:59 <Plugh> I think of xmlrpc being used to access external pages so not sure if they should be cleared.
2014-04-30 19:59 <nebadon2> surprised he didnt mention it directly to me
2014-04-30 20:00 <Melanie_T> xmlrpc has nothing to do witht he mpdern http stuff
2014-04-30 20:00 <lkalif> nebadon2: he tweeted at @osgrid, who has that account?
2014-04-30 20:00 <nebadon2> its us im responding now
2014-04-30 20:00 <nebadon2> if i can find the damn password 
2014-04-30 20:00 <nebadon2> lol
2014-04-30 20:00 <lkalif> hahaha
2014-04-30 20:00 <Melanie_T> it's an outdated external access protocol that had the main drawback in needing a central gridwide entry point
2014-04-30 20:00 <Plugh> Some addons use xmlrpc but that may not be the same as the xmlrpc stuff referenced by the script engine.
2014-04-30 20:00 <Melanie_T> thet developed into an unsustainable load and the bottleneck made xmlrpc unusable
2014-04-30 20:01 <lkalif> Melanie_T: it has an advantage over http in, persistent connection point
2014-04-30 20:01 <Melanie_T> Plugh: "using" xmlrpc in a http request is not what this is about
2014-04-30 20:01 <Melanie_T> lkalif: yes. but wth SL losing more than half of the messages and delaying for up to 2 minutes
2014-04-30 20:01 <Plugh> right
2014-04-30 20:01 <Melanie_T> it's useless
2014-04-30 20:02 <lkalif> it works ok most of the time
2014-04-30 20:02 <Plugh> so removescript is doing everything it should do except for the removal of the httprequest stuff.
2014-04-30 20:03 <Melanie_T> Plugh: remove script is doing everything as it should
2014-04-30 20:03 <Melanie_T> i know because ot works with another script engine
2014-04-30 20:03 <Melanie_T> so it should not be changed
2014-04-30 20:03 <Melanie_T> that would break all other implementations
2014-04-30 20:03 <Melanie_T> the problem is in scriptinstance and the way it calls this
2014-04-30 20:04 <Melanie_T> it's not supposed to be called on state changes
2014-04-30 20:04 <Plugh> Where it is called it needs to do everything that that function does except for that one thing so what is the proper way to fix the problem? Duplicate that function with a different name and without that one removal?
2014-04-30 20:05 <Melanie_T> this needs to be fixed entirely in scriptinstance
2014-04-30 20:05 <Melanie_T> the proper fix will not touch asyncommands
2014-04-30 20:05 <Melanie_T> because, as i said, it works with our script engine, using these exact same interfaces
2014-04-30 20:06 <Melanie_T> so the interfaces are good
2014-04-30 20:06 <Melanie_T> they are being used wrong
2014-04-30 20:06 <Plugh> Just pull a copy of that RemoveScript function in to the ScriptInstances file without the offending httprequest removal?
2014-04-30 20:06 <Melanie_T> no
2014-04-30 20:07 <Melanie_T> or, maybe - not sure how it was solved in our engine
2014-04-30 20:07 <Melanie_T> but i know it's solveable in the caller
2014-04-30 20:07 <Melanie_T> because we did
2014-04-30 20:07 <lkalif> Melanie_T: what do you mean by "our engine"?
2014-04-30 20:07 <Melanie_T> lkalif: avination has a differnet engine
2014-04-30 20:07 <Plugh> You said it should be done completely in ScriptInstances and almost everything in the Async function needs to be done. Copying it seems to be the way to go at the expense of some duplicate code.
2014-04-30 20:08 <Melanie_T> it's often helped to compare results and calls between them to determine the proper way to fix things
2014-04-30 20:08 <lkalif> I didn't realize avn had it's own scripting engine
2014-04-30 20:08 <Melanie_T> Plugh: I'm going to see if i can give it a quick look-over
2014-04-30 20:08 <Plugh> lkalif: IIRC, there is a mention of the different ending on their login page.
2014-04-30 20:09 <Plugh> Melanie_T: ok, ty. If you want me to test anything let me know. I'm going afk for a while but I'll be back later.
2014-04-30 20:09 <Melanie_T> Plugh: wait
2014-04-30 20:09 <Melanie_T> Plugh: still there?
2014-04-30 20:09 <Plugh> yes.
2014-04-30 20:09 <Melanie_T> we added an api to the module, called StateChange
2014-04-30 20:10 <Melanie_T> it does what needs to be done on state change, of course
2014-04-30 20:10 <Plugh> ok.
2014-04-30 20:10 <Melanie_T> i'm committing it now
2014-04-30 20:10 <Plugh> oh, ok. great.
2014-04-30 20:10 <Melanie_T> it needs to be called in the place of removescript
2014-04-30 20:10 <Plugh> Right
2014-04-30 20:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #3527 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-30 20:20 <Melanie_T> Plugh: btw, the "hardcoded state change" comment refers to the fact that this code block handled hardcoded state changes, meaning, "state" commands in a script. it refers to "state" being hardcoded int he script rather than incidental, like during a reset.
2014-04-30 20:20 <Melanie_T> so it's nothing bad at all
2014-04-30 20:21 <Plugh> ok. Its just the type of comment that makes me take a second look. :)
2014-04-30 20:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3527: SUCCESS in 3 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3527/
2014-04-30 20:21 <osjenkins> melanie: Add the "StateChange" function to the async comand manager to differentiate
2014-04-30 20:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #3528 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-30 20:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3528: SUCCESS in 3 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3528/
2014-04-30 20:25 <osjenkins> melanie: Change XEngine to call StateChange rather than RemoveScript on state changes
2014-04-30 20:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #3529 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-04-30 20:51 <justincc> thanks BlueWall.  Funny that it originally compiled under nant - I would have expected it to be a compile error everywhere
2014-04-30 20:51 <justincc> just going to fix it slightly differently
2014-04-30 20:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3529: SUCCESS in 3 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3529/
2014-04-30 20:54 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Use Vector2.Zero constant and only set in condition branch where it was missing in TryParseConsole2DVector().  xbuild still compiles.
2014-04-30 21:37 <smxy> I dislike sitting around for days, unable to restart or update my region, while I wait for the collision issue to happen again, but I think I'm just going to have to wait it out. Bleah.
2014-04-30 21:37 <smxy> I think it knows it's being hunted now and is hiding as best it can.
2014-04-30 22:12 <Plugh> oh, Melanie already pushed the second change.
2014-04-30 22:15 <osmantis> Bug #7143:04 llHTTP_Request gets no returned data after a state change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7143 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-04-30 22:20 <smxy> If it's really fixed close the mantis, too. :)
2014-04-30 22:20 <Melanie_T> Plugh: did you test it?
2014-04-30 22:20 <Plugh> I did. It worked.
2014-04-30 22:20 <Melanie_T> good
2014-04-30 22:21 <Plugh> Now I can work on several other projects that were held up by this issue. :P
2014-04-30 22:51 <Plugh> The other thing bugging me is finding out why I can't seem to search for event listings any more with ossearch module but event markers do show on the map.
2014-04-30 22:51 <Plugh> And getting correct line numbers reported in error messages related to LSL scripts.
2014-04-30 22:57 <osmantis> Bug #6880:04 Print Notecard on Prim (MOAP) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6880 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-05-01 00:21 -!- Wanderer_42(~kvirc@dslb-084-062-095-023.pools.arcor-ip.net) has left #opensim-dev
2014-05-01 01:12 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-01 02:17 <osmantis> Bug #7134:04 [PATCH] Implemented load oartouser function to assign objects from an oar to a specific user 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7134 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-01 02:33 <LiruCookies> hey, couldn't we call that as a viewer maybe?
2014-05-01 02:46 <Dev_Random> Why is osGetSimulatorVersion() assigned a Threat Level of "High"?
2014-05-01 02:51 <Plugh> It could be that knowing the version running can lead the system open to targeted attacks or it might be about what it has to do in order to retrieve the information. I'm not sure why some of the threat levels are set the way they are.
2014-05-01 02:53 <Dev_Random> It surprised me to see it.  I think the info is available from viewers... 
2014-05-01 02:53 <Dev_Random> targeted attacks makes sense
2014-05-01 02:55 <Dev_Random> good call Plugh: I just opened the source...  "High because it can be used to target attacks to known weaknesses"
2014-05-01 02:57 <Plugh> IIRC, it is available in viewers. Not being able to detect version via a script doesn't do a lot to keep you any safer.
2014-05-01 02:59 <Plugh> bbl
2014-05-01 03:11 <LiruCookies> A script could know what to prey on based on version maybe?
2014-05-01 03:11 <LiruCookies> But should that really br the case?
2014-05-01 03:12 <LiruCookies> Tje viewerr knows version yes
2014-05-01 03:12 <Dev_Random> and in some cases, the server will tell me the version... so I can type it into a script.  
2014-05-01 03:13 <Dev_Random> As Plugh said... it doesnt do a lot...  but it does make it harder.
2014-05-01 03:13 <Dev_Random> the script kiddies have to type something in.....
2014-05-01 03:14 <LiruCookies> Not if they Radegast fork 
2014-05-01 03:15 <Dev_Random> shhhh..... 
2014-05-01 03:15 <LiruCookies> most of them know to...
2014-05-01 03:16 <Dev_Random> Yeah.. I'm guessing it's more about the ones who just want to rez something and watch the fun.
2014-05-01 03:18 <Dev_Random> the source comment explicitly mentions script kiddies
2014-05-01 08:14 <osmantis> Bug #7130:04 Asset database growing with very many instances of terrainImage_uuid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7130 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-01 09:45 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar forever on login on OSGrid add-on regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-01 11:11 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-01 13:42 <osmantis> Bug #7144:04 ATTACH_AVATAR_CENTER undefined 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7144 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-01 15:45 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar forever on login on OSGrid add-on regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-01 20:07 <Plugh> I just tried starting up an OS instance on a new machine running WIndows Server 2012 and the instance failed to start with this exception message -> Unhandled Exception: System.Exception: Could not load an ISimulationDataService implementation from OpenSim.Services.Connectors.dll:SimulationDataService, as configured in the LocalServiceModule parameter of the [SimulationDataStore] config section.
2014-05-01 20:14 <nebadon_laptop> it sounds like you forgot to uncomment a selection in the [Architecture] section of OpenSim.ini maybe Plugh?
2014-05-01 20:15 <nebadon_laptop> Its amazing how many times i do that myself lol
2014-05-01 20:19 <Plugh> My INI files are supposed to be generated automatically by the grid management program being used.
2014-05-01 20:20 <Plugh> I want to get away from the computer for a while so I'll take another look later.
2014-05-01 20:26 <Plugh> Perhaps I need .NET 4 and not just .NET 3.5?
2014-05-01 20:26 <nebadon_laptop> ah yes you need .net 4 now
2014-05-01 20:27 <nebadon_laptop> if your running master git
2014-05-01 20:27 <Plugh> hm... I have 3.5 and 4.5 installed.
2014-05-01 20:27 <nebadon_laptop> ok that should be sufficient then
2014-05-01 20:27 <nebadon_laptop> how are you compiling it?
2014-05-01 20:28 <Plugh> On a windows box running server 2008 using the prebuild and compile batch file.
2014-05-01 20:29 <Plugh> msbuild
2014-05-01 20:30 <Plugh> C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v3.5\msbuild opensim.sln
2014-05-01 20:41 <Plugh> I tried a rebuild with v4.0 but I don't know how to do a "clean" to force a recompile of all files.
2014-05-01 20:41 <Plugh> oh, well. bbl.
2014-05-01 20:47 <nebadon_laptop> hey Plugh, sorry had a phone call
2014-05-01 20:47 <nebadon_laptop> i do beleive you actually need Visual Studio installed to compile
2014-05-01 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar forever on login on OSGrid add-on regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-01 21:21 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar forever on login on OSGrid add-on regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-01 21:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #3530 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-01 21:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3530: SUCCESS in 4 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3530/
2014-05-01 21:31 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix issue where only one of multiple attachments on the same attachpoint for NPCs would be seen by other viewers.
2014-05-01 21:40 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-01 21:42 <osmantis> Bug #7011:04 Multiple attachments do not work with NPCs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7011 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-01 21:49 <justincc> hey danbanner
2014-05-01 21:51 <danbanner> pong justincc
2014-05-01 21:51 <justincc> danbanner: any chance you could do me a favour and put out another osgrid release today?
2014-05-01 21:52 <danbanner> i can do it in the morning
2014-05-01 21:52 <justincc> thanks
2014-05-01 21:52 <danbanner> np
2014-05-01 21:52 <H-H-H> 
ACTION earwigs with interest

2014-05-01 22:02 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: I'm doing the compile on the same Windows based machine I always use to compile the source. After compilation I copy the bin directory from the Server 2008 machine to a Server 2012 machine. 
2014-05-01 22:03 <nebadon_laptop> hmm interesting, not sure i rarely compile opensimulator on windows anymore
2014-05-01 22:04 <nebadon_laptop> however I think dan is compiling the OSgrid releases on Windows
2014-05-01 22:06 <justincc> I think I've sometimes seen binaries compile under windows behave poorly under mono, at least in 2.10
2014-05-01 22:06 <justincc> issues with huge scene loop slowdowns
2014-05-01 22:07 <osmantis> Bug #7144:04 ATTACH_AVATAR_CENTER undefined 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7144 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-05-01 22:14 <osmantis> Bug #7144:04 ATTACH_AVATAR_CENTER undefined 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7144 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-01 22:20 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: This is the first time I've tried running OS on a Windows box running Server 2012.
2014-05-01 22:20 <Plugh> It has the "evil" Windows 8 style desktop.
2014-05-01 22:20 <nebadon_laptop> it should work fine on 2012
2014-05-01 22:20 <nebadon_laptop> ive compiled it no problem on windows 8.1 before
2014-05-01 22:21 <Plugh> Not sure when Win 8 came out but they were working on that style of desktop for sometime since it is in Server 2012.
2014-05-01 22:21 <nebadon_laptop> what version of Visual Studio do you have installed?
2014-05-01 22:21 <AllenKerensky> ... the circle is now complete, when we left Windows 1.0, we were but learners... now as Windows 8 returns to the horrible Windows 1.0 interface, we are the masters... (with apologies to Darth Vader)
2014-05-01 22:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #3531 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-01 22:22 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: Visual Studio C++ 2010   Hm... why does control panel list it as C++?
2014-05-01 22:22 <nebadon_laptop> maybe you installed wrong one?
2014-05-01 22:23 <Plugh> no. Its the one I've been using to compile for a long time.
2014-05-01 22:23 <Plugh> It doesn't seem to show up in the Control Panel program list.
2014-05-01 22:23 <nebadon_laptop> odd
2014-05-01 22:24 <Plugh> The file I installed was for MS Visual C# 2008 Express Edition
2014-05-01 22:24 <nebadon_laptop> hmm
2014-05-01 22:24 <nebadon_laptop> odd its not showing under add remove programs
2014-05-01 22:24 <Plugh> The OS compiled on the Server 2008 are running fine on 5 other machines running 2008.
2014-05-01 22:24 <Plugh> yeah
2014-05-01 22:25 <nebadon_laptop> does 2008 support .net 4?
2014-05-01 22:25 <nebadon_laptop> i thought we needed 2010 now
2014-05-01 22:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3531: SUCCESS in 3 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3531/
2014-05-01 22:26 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Mantis 7144 missing ATTACH_AVATAR_CENTER constant
2014-05-01 22:26 <justincc> yeah 2010 is now minimum
2014-05-01 22:26 <Plugh> It is? It still works compiling using msbuild from .net 3.5
2014-05-01 22:27 <justincc> possibly nothing .net 4 specific enough has been put in yet to force that
2014-05-01 22:27 <justincc> though I'm a little surprised
2014-05-01 22:27 <osmantis> Bug #7144:04 ATTACH_AVATAR_CENTER undefined 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7144 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-01 22:29 <Plugh> I could download VS C# 2012 from here -> http://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/download/details.aspx?id=34673
2014-05-01 22:30 <Plugh> I'm just not sure if it is a trial version or not.
2014-05-01 22:30 <justincc> 2010 express is fine, that's what I have installed though I don't do a lot of windows builds
2014-05-01 22:31 <justincc> hey nebadon_laptop, still there?
2014-05-01 22:32 <nebadon_laptop> yea
2014-05-01 22:32 <nebadon_laptop> whats up justincc
2014-05-01 22:33 <justincc> was the patch you wanted one that would change ownership of all objects uploaded in oar or one that would only subsittute a spcecified user whern the user didn't exist on the grid (instead of estate owner being used as of now)
2014-05-01 22:33 <justincc> ?
2014-05-01 22:33 <nebadon_laptop> so you could specify any user on the grid
2014-05-01 22:33 <nebadon_laptop> either by name or uuid
2014-05-01 22:34 <justincc> for all objects or just those with unknown users?
2014-05-01 22:34 <nebadon_laptop> sometimes when your merging oars you dont want the new content to become owned by the estate / region owner
2014-05-01 22:34 <nebadon_laptop> all
2014-05-01 22:34 <Plugh> dinner. bbl.
2014-05-01 22:35 <justincc> ok, there is a patch by matt in mantis 7134 which changes substitutes for unknown users as now but not known users
2014-05-01 22:36 <justincc> but that doesn't sound like quite what you want
2014-05-01 22:36 <nebadon_laptop> ok that sounds like a good patch too
2014-05-01 22:36 <justincc> this one is relatively easy to do as it's just substituting the existing default user (estate owner) stuff
2014-05-01 22:37 <nebadon_laptop> generally though when your moving to a new grid
2014-05-01 22:37 <nebadon_laptop> everyone in the oar is unknown
2014-05-01 22:38 <justincc> yes, esp as it's not name based
2014-05-01 22:38 <nebadon_laptop> what would really be nice
2014-05-01 22:38 <nebadon_laptop> is it prompts you everytime it hits a new uuid
2014-05-01 22:38 <nebadon_laptop> so you can specify who it should be
2014-05-01 22:39 <justincc> that... could be v painful for large oars
2014-05-01 22:39 <nebadon_laptop> right
2014-05-01 22:39 <nebadon_laptop> it would be a switch
2014-05-01 22:39 <nebadon_laptop> not something that happens always
2014-05-01 22:39 <justincc> you also woudn't know what UUID originally belonged to what
2014-05-01 22:39 <justincc> to who, I mena
2014-05-01 22:39 <nebadon_laptop> you would if you planned it
2014-05-01 22:39 <justincc> true
2014-05-01 22:39 <nebadon_laptop> that could be very handy infact
2014-05-01 22:40 <nebadon_laptop> for OSCC that would have been fantastic
2014-05-01 22:40 <justincc> how so?
2014-05-01 22:41 <nebadon_laptop> because we had a template
2014-05-01 22:41 <nebadon_laptop> people were building their exhibits on their local grids
2014-05-01 22:41 <nebadon_laptop> and when we merged in their oars it was nightmarish
2014-05-01 22:41 <nebadon_laptop> no one could edit anything
2014-05-01 22:41 <nebadon_laptop> sometimes there was 3+ builders
2014-05-01 22:41 <nebadon_laptop> franco grid was a good example
2014-05-01 22:42 <nebadon_laptop> they had this huge eifel tower thing with a bunch of stuff 
2014-05-01 22:42 <nebadon_laptop> they could have given me a list of users/uuids with the oar
2014-05-01 22:42 <nebadon_laptop> would have been awesome to load that in and instantly swap
2014-05-01 22:42 <nebadon_laptop> i had to db dive and do a lot of hackish things
2014-05-01 22:42 <nebadon_laptop> like sell whole parcels
2014-05-01 22:43 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-05-01 22:43 <justincc> possibly load oar could optionally take a file which lists all UUID translations
2014-05-01 22:43 <justincc> user uuid
2014-05-01 22:44 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2014-05-01 22:44 <justincc> I would prefer that to presenting a load of console options
2014-05-01 22:44 <nebadon_laptop> save oar could maybe spit it out?
2014-05-01 22:44 <justincc> console questions
2014-05-01 22:44 <justincc> hmm, interesting
2014-05-01 22:44 <nebadon_laptop> names/uuids
2014-05-01 22:44 <justincc> possibly it could put it in the oar itself for info
2014-05-01 22:44 <nebadon_laptop> ya that would be great
2014-05-01 22:44 <nebadon_laptop> maybe even have a inspect oar command
2014-05-01 22:45 <nebadon_laptop> that could list various details about an oar without actually loading it
2014-05-01 22:45 <nebadon_laptop> # of objects
2014-05-01 22:45 <nebadon_laptop> # of textures
2014-05-01 22:45 <nebadon_laptop> users
2014-05-01 22:45 <justincc> yes, that kind of thing would be handy
2014-05-01 22:46 <justincc> I've thought about writing a script to do stuff like sanity checks as well but just haven't had time
2014-05-01 22:46 <justincc> that kind of stuff probably makes more sense as a separate program
2014-05-01 22:49 <justincc> ok, time to rest.  See you around tomorrow
2014-05-01 22:49 <justincc> 
ACTION waves

2014-05-01 23:28 <Melanie_T> for oscc-like scenarios, all we'd need would be an override that makes everything owned by a single avatar 
2014-05-01 23:28 <Melanie_T> for later changes, they'd just have to use that avatar and share it
2014-05-01 23:29 <Melanie_T> for the oscc type thing i don't see a value in preserving infdividual builder ownership within a single oar
2014-05-01 23:29 <Melanie_T> of course, for general use, it is valuabe
2014-05-01 23:30 <Plugh> bah! I trust that someone has followed a document I wrote to set up new servers and find they haven't followed it and missed a bunch of different steps.
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2014-05-01 23:30 <Plugh> I know(?) why I was getting that strange error message.
2014-05-01 23:31 <Melanie_T> Plugh: we have similar documents and they don't work
2014-05-01 23:31 <Melanie_T> in the end, i created the document to end all documents
2014-05-01 23:31 <Melanie_T> here is how we install new servers:
2014-05-01 23:31 <Melanie_T> open the instruction document
2014-05-01 23:31 <Melanie_T> open a ssh root session to the new server
2014-05-01 23:31 <Melanie_T> copy the entire document
2014-05-01 23:31 <Melanie_T> paste it into the ssh session
2014-05-01 23:32 <Melanie_T> press enter
2014-05-01 23:32 <Melanie_T> si back and watch
2014-05-01 23:32 <Plugh> Melanie_T: I wrote a detailed step by step doc from the last time I was setting up new servers. Having set the first one up I was sure everything was listed. Either somethings have changed or somehow something is missing.
2014-05-01 23:32 <Melanie_T> the "instruction doc" is a here script that does the whole install
2014-05-01 23:32 <Plugh> Oh. You put commands in the doc so it is just one big shell script to prep things?
2014-05-01 23:32 <Plugh> nice.
2014-05-01 23:32 <Melanie_T> i have a document i use to build that document ....
2014-05-01 23:32 <Melanie_T> but only for my own use
2014-05-01 23:33 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-05-01 23:33 <Melanie_T> it pasically goes like this
2014-05-01 23:33 <Plugh> I may need to write some kind of script to do that.
2014-05-01 23:33 <Melanie_T> cat > install << HERE
2014-05-01 23:33 <Melanie_T> ...
2014-05-01 23:33 <Melanie_T> ...
2014-05-01 23:33 <Melanie_T> ...
2014-05-01 23:33 <Melanie_T> HERE
2014-05-01 23:33 <Melanie_T> chmod 700 install
2014-05-01 23:33 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-05-01 23:33 <Melanie_T> echo "now type install <servername> to install"
2014-05-01 23:40 <diva> Melanie_T have you attempted at implementing a garbagge collecotr for an opensim DB?
2014-05-01 23:40 <Melanie_T> no. hard disks are cheaper than the time needed
2014-05-01 23:41 <diva> I'm about to do it, so if someone has done it I'd like to know of the major obstacles
2014-05-01 23:41 <diva> ok
2014-05-01 23:41 <diva> I need to do it
2014-05-01 23:41 <Melanie_T> GC is not a viable proposition for anything that spans several servers
2014-05-01 23:41 <diva> we have a huge DB and we need to clean it up so that the sew server hets only the assets that are related to users
2014-05-01 23:41 <Melanie_T> not if you work on the premise that everything ever created needs to remain working
2014-05-01 23:41 <diva> this is a stop and clean situation
2014-05-01 23:42 <diva> we're moving to a new server
2014-05-01 23:42 <Melanie_T> why not take all assets?
2014-05-01 23:42 <diva> the rgions assets are fine via oars. now we need the users' assets
2014-05-01 23:42 <Melanie_T> what's a terabyte between freinds/
2014-05-01 23:42 <diva> hehe
2014-05-01 23:42 <diva> no way
2014-05-01 23:43 <Melanie_T> you WILL cause objects using literal asset ids to break
2014-05-01 23:43 <Melanie_T> if those objects are not rezzed anywhere and are ld
2014-05-01 23:43 <diva> whenever I think of all those terrain images and terrains and script versions and god know what that we dump0 into the assets table I cringe...
2014-05-01 23:43 <Melanie_T> unless your approach is fundamentally different to those discussed previously
2014-05-01 23:43 <diva> you means UUIDs in scripts? or?
2014-05-01 23:43 <Melanie_T> yes
2014-05-01 23:43 <Melanie_T> the main issue
2014-05-01 23:44 <Melanie_T> apart from sheer processing power needed
2014-05-01 23:44 <diva> I'll do whatever justin is already doing in the UUIDGatherer
2014-05-01 23:44 <Melanie_T> tbh, i'd buy a new hard disk and use the cycles to mine bitcoin
2014-05-01 23:44 <diva> heheh
2014-05-01 23:45 <diva> no way I'm bringing all that garbagge to the new server... so onwards! with the idea. At least for now. I'll let you know what I feel about it in a couple of days :D
2014-05-01 23:46 <Melanie_T> the main issue
2014-05-01 23:46 <Melanie_T> imagine a prim is rezzed in a sim
2014-05-01 23:46 <Melanie_T> it contains a script that contains ids
2014-05-01 23:47 <Melanie_T> that prim does NOT exist in any user inventory
2014-05-01 23:47 <Melanie_T> the script was written in that prim and never copied or taken
2014-05-01 23:47 <diva> well, the regions data is taken care of by oars
2014-05-01 23:47 <Melanie_T> is the uuidgatherer 100%
2014-05-01 23:47 <Melanie_T> ?
2014-05-01 23:47 <Melanie_T> i would not stake my customers' data on that
2014-05-01 23:48 <Melanie_T> easier to add the ver growing, ever cheaper hard disks
2014-05-01 23:48 <diva> I haven't seen it failing! if it fails, we know who to blame... :)
2014-05-01 23:48 <Melanie_T> yeah
2014-05-01 23:48 <Melanie_T> :)
2014-05-01 23:48 <diva> heheh
2014-05-01 23:48 <diva> no in my case, the regions data is all good.
2014-05-01 23:48 <diva> I just need to recreate the user accounts, and I want a clean DB
2014-05-01 23:49 <Melanie_T> i don't see assets as the problem
2014-05-01 23:49 <Melanie_T> not with our server anyway
2014-05-01 23:49 <Melanie_T> inventory is becoming the hydra that needs heads lopped off
2014-05-01 23:50 <diva> inventory table?
2014-05-01 23:50 <Melanie_T> yes
2014-05-01 23:50 <diva> is iit huge?
2014-05-01 23:50 <Melanie_T> that is why sl prunes inventories of users who dont' pay
2014-05-01 23:57 <diva> ok maybe I'll chop off the trash folder in this process too
2014-05-01 23:57 <Plugh> diva: The problem is determine what assets are referenced in scripts inside objects.
2014-05-01 23:57 <Melanie_T> be sure to commnicate that
2014-05-01 23:57 <Melanie_T> some people depend on trash
2014-05-01 23:58 <diva> Melanie_T I'm planning to use the UUIDGatherer class that we already have
2014-05-01 23:58 <diva> I just wish it wasn't in OpenSim.Region.Framework...
2014-05-02 00:57 <smxy_> Melanie_T: Where is it documented that SL prunes non-paying user's inventories? And how do they decide what to throw out?
2014-05-02 00:57 <Melanie_T> if a free user doesn't log in for a long time, by observation, 2 years, they can find their inventory gone
2014-05-02 00:58 <Melanie_T> for expired premium users with a debt balance, the period is six months
2014-05-02 00:58 <Melanie_T> that one is own experience
2014-05-02 00:59 <Melanie_T> as i lost an avatar with unique items on it (designs from a rl deceased designer) because it went unpaid for 6 months
2014-05-02 00:59 <AllenKerensky> heck... as a paid user I've lost items there...
2014-05-02 01:00 <AllenKerensky> IARs for the win
2014-05-02 01:01 <smxy_> I do wish that I could mke IARs for my users, like I do OARs. Just as part of normal backups.
2014-05-02 01:03 <smxy_> It's annoying that I can't. I make OARs every night. I'll shortly be making DB backups nightly. I also want to make nightly IARs.
2014-05-02 02:58 <zontreck> Can i get some help? http://pastebin.com/Ux21kcWK
2014-05-02 03:15 <Plugh> zontreck: I'm not sure why you are seeing that one statement repeated multiple times. The one thing I do notice is you haven't set any Fallback regions and perhaps not set a default region.
2014-05-02 03:16 <zontreck> Plugh: It is set, and either way, i do a direct login to regions anyhow.
2014-05-02 03:16 <Plugh> The messages state that GetDefaultRegions returned 0 regions and same for Fallback.
2014-05-02 03:17 <Plugh> Is this a fresh set up of OpenSim or one that you have been running for a while?
2014-05-02 03:18 <Plugh> Hm... odd. It thought Tyler had already been logged in to region with a zero UUID.
2014-05-02 03:18 <zontreck> fresh
2014-05-02 03:19 <Plugh> ok. For fresh installs, often the problem is something wrong in the configuration. It can happen due to the sheer number of things to configure. Its the first thing to double check.
2014-05-02 03:19 <zontreck> I'm posting a new paste bin, i just noticed a error right before all the repeating messages
2014-05-02 03:20 <Plugh> ok
2014-05-02 03:20 <zontreck> http://tny.cz/02e52358
2014-05-02 03:21 <Plugh> That particular error is almost useless (to me). I see them often. The message isn't helpful to tell you what is the real problem.
2014-05-02 03:22 <zontreck> hmm
2014-05-02 03:23 <Plugh> Watch the instance console during startup for any messages going by in red text. Start at the top of the log where it says the region is starting and look for anything wrong. One possibility is an error in the connection string to a database or a bad URL. 
2014-05-02 03:23 <zontreck> Plugh: restarting the console
2014-05-02 03:24 <Plugh> OpenSim can be a bit of a pain to get configured correctly if you are doing it for the first time.
2014-05-02 03:25 <zontreck> its not my first time, but it is my first time having this much trouble
2014-05-02 03:25 <Plugh> ok
2014-05-02 03:25 <zontreck> Plugh : http://pastebin.com/XbMpwL7u
2014-05-02 03:26 <zontreck> that's the startup log
2014-05-02 03:26 <smxy_> looks pretty clean
2014-05-02 03:27 <Plugh> zontreck: 20:24:20 - [FLOTSAM ASSET CACHE]: AssetCache section missing from config (not copied config-include/FlotsamCache.ini.example?  Using defaults.
2014-05-02 03:27 <Plugh> Looks like you missed configuring Flotsam
2014-05-02 03:27 <zontreck> let me check, one moment
2014-05-02 03:28 <Plugh> zontreck: I also notice this -> 20:24:21 - [MAP IMAGE SERVICE MODULE]: enabled with no refresh and service object OpenSim.Services.Connectors.dll:MapImageServicesConnector
2014-05-02 03:28 <Plugh> Not related to the other error you had but it appears you haven't set a refresh time for the map tile updates.
2014-05-02 03:28 <zontreck> I've not configured MapTiles
2014-05-02 03:29 <smxy_> Btw you shouldn't be running as root
2014-05-02 03:29 <Plugh> ok. Just pointing it out. Not related to the main problem.
2014-05-02 03:30 <Plugh> oh yea. I missed that. Bad idea to run it as root.
2014-05-02 03:30 <zontreck> -_- It's my own distro
2014-05-02 03:30 <smxy_> So? It's still a bad idea to run anything as root that doesn't require it.
2014-05-02 03:31 <zontreck> true, but with the issues, if i need to install anything, right now, it's run as root. I'll move it to my main user once i get the setup right
2014-05-02 03:31 <smxy_> Unless you have personally inspected every line of opensim code and are certain it's not going to do something to your system, you shouldn't be running it as root.
2014-05-02 03:31 <Plugh> If it is a completely custom distro for a Kiosk or completely stripped down just to run OS, that is a bit different than using a normal distro and running stuff as root.
2014-05-02 03:32 <smxy_> You should do it right, from the start.
2014-05-02 03:32 <zontreck> smxy_: My custom distro, and the fact i have read the OpenSimulator and Aurora code (irrelevant),  I'm sure the code isn't malicious. Even then, i run in a chroot ENV setup
2014-05-02 03:35 <zontreck> Plugh: i'm reading all the config files, i do not see any errors, the IP is correct; the sandbox1 region is set now to fallback and default
2014-05-02 03:36 <Plugh> config-include/Flotsam.ini.example
2014-05-02 03:36 <zontreck> Plugh: Fixed that.
2014-05-02 03:36 <Plugh> You need to copy that to config-include/Flotsam.ini
2014-05-02 03:36 <Plugh> You've restarted?
2014-05-02 03:36 <zontreck> Yes
2014-05-02 03:40 <Plugh> Do you still get that repeating message while trying to log in?
2014-05-02 03:41 <zontreck> Yes i do
2014-05-02 03:42 <Plugh> ok. I've about exhausted what I can think of if there are no other (odd) errors in the log files.
2014-05-02 03:42 <zontreck> I'll check Robust real quick
2014-05-02 03:43 <zontreck> No errors in robust
2014-05-02 03:43 <Plugh> No red text flying by? (probably not or an error would be seen in the log file)
2014-05-02 03:44 <Plugh> Hm... Was any of the stuff you have set up previously run on different computers? Just wonder if it could be a change in an IP address.
2014-05-02 03:47 <zontreck> i checked in config-include files, and in OpenSim.ini, Regions.ini, Robust.ini...... nothing has a different IP. They're all the same.
2014-05-02 03:51 <smxy_> Checked your firewall config?
2014-05-02 03:51 <smxy_> NAT loopback?
2014-05-02 03:56 <zontreck> I am able to connect to other programs using sockets on the server
2014-05-02 03:59 <Plugh> You have uncommented the architecture line in OpenSim.ini and configured GridCommon.ini? I would think so or you would have more noticeable errors.
2014-05-02 04:01 <zontreck> Plugh: Yep, uncommented
2014-05-02 04:03 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-02 04:12 <zontreck> Plugh: Is it possible it's just my viewer: Firestorm?
2014-05-02 04:14 <smxy_> I'm using Firestorm okay. 
2014-05-02 05:12 <Plugh> zontreck: Might be possible. Would still be strange if it is. 
2014-05-02 05:13 <zontreck> Plugh: it wasn't that. i tried it
2014-05-02 05:13 <Plugh> yea, I would have been surprised if that was it.
2014-05-02 05:13 <Plugh> Good luck. I'm turning off the computer for tonight.
2014-05-02 07:52 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar forever on login on OSGrid add-on regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-04 00:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #3532 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-04 00:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3532: SUCCESS in 4 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3532/
2014-05-04 00:18 <osjenkins> diva: Added a optional key between the group remote connectors, sim and service. This allows for more secure group services, to be used by collections of mutually-trusting grids.
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2014-05-04 01:00 <smxy> AliciaRaven: I and some others are using 3.2.8 just fine.
2014-05-04 02:07 <lillith_xue> hmm did someone notice that scripts that are running in an attachment randomly stop running after teleport? the only solution is to reattach the attachment the script is in. also the CHANGED_REGION will not fire then.  Seen in osgrid, my grid and lfgrid too
2014-05-04 02:08 <lillith_xue> the running checkbox is still checked
2014-05-04 02:28 <dahlia> lillith_xue: ya that happens to me sometimes too
2014-05-04 02:28 <dahlia> it's been mentioned but a mantis might help
2014-05-04 02:30 <lillith_xue1> okay, i will checkout a simple way to reproduce that and make one ;-)
2014-05-04 09:08 <AliciaRaven> thanks smxy :)
2014-05-04 12:30 <Aleric> Region (root) # * Assertion at mini.c:3832, condition `code' not met
2014-05-04 12:30 <Aleric> Hmm, that happens more often :/
2014-05-04 18:27 <diva> lkalif, I need help with a singularity crash. The viewer just poofs without warning. What can I do to tell me more?
2014-05-04 18:27 <Melanie_T> diva: if the viewer is running under lnux, run it in gdb
2014-05-04 18:27 <diva> no, windows
2014-05-04 18:28 <Melanie_T> can you run a linux viewer?
2014-05-04 18:28 <Melanie_T> it's just way easier to get the data we need 
2014-05-04 18:28 <diva> this happens on a teleport between a 0.7.6 and current head, where the destination is a varregion. It always crashes
2014-05-04 18:28 <Melanie_T> i take it the crash reporter doesn't come up?
2014-05-04 18:28 <diva> it comes up when I run the viewer again
2014-05-04 18:28 <Melanie_T> did you send the report?
2014-05-04 18:29 <diva> is ther any other place I should look?
2014-05-04 18:29 <diva> yes, many times
2014-05-04 18:29 <diva> over the past 24 hours
2014-05-04 18:29 <diva> I can send it again
2014-05-04 18:29 <diva> I tried uninstalling Sing and installing it again, to no avail
2014-05-04 18:30 <diva> there, I just sent it
2014-05-04 18:30 <Melanie_T> which grid?
2014-05-04 18:30 <Aleric> diva: that is a known bug.
2014-05-04 18:30 <diva> my test grid here at home
2014-05-04 18:30 <Melanie_T> what si the logi uri?
2014-05-04 18:30 <diva> Aleric, oh? tell me more
2014-05-04 18:30 <Aleric> You can't teleport from 0.7.6 to a var region
2014-05-04 18:31 <lkalif> diva: that is unavoidable
2014-05-04 18:31 <diva> ooooh, ok! I get it. I guess it's an unavoidable breakage because of varregions?
2014-05-04 18:32 <lkalif> diva: workaround is to have one normal sized region running newer code as an intermediary
2014-05-04 18:32 <Melanie_T> i wonder if it's really unaviodable which is why i'd life to see that report
2014-05-04 18:32 <lkalif> diva: yes. the viewer needs to know how big the destination region is to allocate for terrain etc
2014-05-04 18:32 <Melanie_T> but i need to know the login uri you use to log in
2014-05-04 18:32 <diva> melanie my login here was localhost:9000
2014-05-04 18:33 <lkalif> diva: and it is originating region that sends TeleportFinish message. and if the originating region is old code, it doesn't supply the required information
2014-05-04 18:33 <diva> got it! pheew! makes sense
2014-05-04 18:33 <diva> well,I found another issue in the process of trying to understand this one, so that's good
2014-05-04 18:34 <Melanie_T> i can't seem to find the report
2014-05-04 18:34 <diva> want me to send it again? I can crash again
2014-05-04 18:35 <Melanie_T> i'm just not doing too well at finding my way round this reporting backend
2014-05-04 18:35 <lkalif> the varregion teleport?
2014-05-04 18:35 <Melanie_T> i'm sure your reports are there
2014-05-04 18:35 <Melanie_T> i'm just not getting an option to see all reports by date newest first
2014-05-04 18:35 <Melanie_T> and the mst recent report for localhost was yestedday
2014-05-04 18:35 <Melanie_T> so i'm doing something wrong
2014-05-04 18:36 <lkalif> what are you talking about?
2014-05-04 18:36 <Melanie_T> lkalif: i was trying to find diva's crash report
2014-05-04 18:36 <diva> this was with Singu 64bit
2014-05-04 18:36 <lkalif> Melanie_T: where?
2014-05-04 18:36 <Melanie_T> in the crash backend
2014-05-04 18:36 <diva> let me crash again and send another report
2014-05-04 18:36 <lkalif> that one processes reports in batches
2014-05-04 18:36 <Melanie_T> aahhh
2014-05-04 18:36 <Melanie_T> so it's not there ywt
2014-05-04 18:37 <lkalif> once an hour, at x:45 min
2014-05-04 18:37 <lkalif> i can run it manually
2014-05-04 18:37 <lkalif> Melanie_T: but it's really not worth the time as it is unfixable.
2014-05-04 18:37 <Melanie_T> lkalif, Aleric: is there no communication with the destination region before teleportfinish?
2014-05-04 18:37 <Melanie_T> another message/request region size could be piggybackedn on?
2014-05-04 18:38 <diva> Melanie_T this is from an "old" 0.7.6 sim
2014-05-04 18:38 <Melanie_T> i see that 0.7 teleportfinish can't possibly have the info so yes, it's unfixable in that way
2014-05-04 18:38 <diva> which is what all D2 are currently
2014-05-04 18:38 <lkalif> it's not worth complicating protocol with crap for a temporary problem
2014-05-04 18:38 <diva> yeah
2014-05-04 18:38 <lkalif> that goes away when regions are updated
2014-05-04 18:38 <Melanie_T> and, well, 0.7.6 should go away at some point
2014-05-04 18:38 <diva> as long as we know, that's good. I thought this was some unintentional breakage
2014-05-04 18:38 <Melanie_T> so i guess i need to let this be
2014-05-04 18:39 <Melanie_T> 
ACTION runs off to play elsewhere

2014-05-04 18:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #3533 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-04 18:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3533: SUCCESS in 7 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3533/
2014-05-04 18:49 <osjenkins> diva: Please note: older simulators (0.7.6) still send the info about gzip in ContentType
2014-05-04 22:29 <osmantis> Bug #7147:04 Texture offset don't work proprely in a linkset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7147 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2014-05-04 23:48 <osmantis> Bug #7147:04 Texture offset don't work proprely in a linkset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7147 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-05-05 00:48 <osmantis> Bug #7147:04 Texture offset don't work proprely in a linkset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7147 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2014-05-05 02:03 <osmantis> Bug #7148:04 Scripts not Running after Teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7148 ): Der folgende Eintrag wurde erfasst.
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2014-05-05 11:14 <osmantis> Bug #7149:04 infinite recursion loop in SendGridInstantMessageViaXMLRPCAsync() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7149 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-05 11:25 <osmantis> Bug #7149:04 infinite recursion loop in SendGridInstantMessageViaXMLRPCAsync() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7149 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-05 11:25 <osmantis> Bug #7149:04 infinite recursion loop in SendGridInstantMessageViaXMLRPCAsync() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7149 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-05-05 13:51 <frnic> any idea on this? 
2014-05-05 13:51 <frnic> 0:51 - [XEngine]: Completed starting 0 scripts on Dreamersbay
2014-05-05 13:51 <frnic> 09:50:51 - [RegionReady]: Script compile queue empty!
2014-05-05 13:51 <frnic> 09:50:51 - [RegionReady]: Region "Dreamersbay" is ready: "server_startup,1,47,
2014-05-05 13:51 <frnic> grr, wrong
2014-05-05 13:51 <frnic> Region (Dreamersbay) # Error while compiling generated serializer
2014-05-05 13:51 <frnic> (0,0) : error CS8026: Invalid sdk version name
2014-05-05 13:51 <frnic> the invalid SDK version ??
2014-05-05 13:52 <frnic> This is at head on debian running mono 3.2.6
2014-05-05 14:52 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar forever on login on OSGrid add-on regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-05-05 14:53 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar forever on login on OSGrid add-on regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-05-05 17:42 <Aleric> [10:41:55]  Primitive: k2 = 1c9461a8-f2fe-499e-9f55-3d6b4e9b23d5
2014-05-05 17:42 <Aleric> [10:41:55]  Primitive: k3 = 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000
2014-05-05 19:38 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-05 20:44 <osmantis> Bug #7147:04 Texture offset don't work proprely in a linkset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7147 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-05 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #7147:04 Texture offset does not work properly in a linkset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7147 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-05-05 23:05 <osmantis> Bug #7146:04 [Patch] The lsl function llGetMassMKS is not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7146 ): has been UPDATED.
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2014-05-05 23:34 <diva> Melanie_T I'm going to add some sort of authentication to all the network connectors, ok? Possibly in a header. I need it for Encitra. Any suggestions / preferences?
2014-05-05 23:35 <Melanie_T> off by default, of course
2014-05-05 23:35 <diva> yes
2014-05-05 23:35 <diva> I read your mind . Was about to say "option" :)
2014-05-05 23:35 <Melanie_T> also, it would be really really nice if this would be on a track to go to ssl/tls
2014-05-05 23:35 <Melanie_T> and certificates
2014-05-05 23:35 <Melanie_T> at some point
2014-05-05 23:35 <Melanie_T> rather than a simple plain password
2014-05-05 23:36 <diva> how do we do that? I can look into it if it's not too complicated
2014-05-05 23:36 <Melanie_T> ok...
2014-05-05 23:36 <Melanie_T> mono.net uses pkcs#12 certificates
2014-05-05 23:36 <Melanie_T> those can be made from x.509 ones
2014-05-05 23:36 <diva> do we need to deal with certificate authorities and the like? (yuk)
2014-05-05 23:36 <Melanie_T> the code to receive and make tls connections is already int he base http server
2014-05-05 23:37 <Melanie_T> there is some code i made that allows to either use "proper" certs, or not care
2014-05-05 23:37 <Melanie_T> but the code can and is still enforcing encryption
2014-05-05 23:37 <Melanie_T> in fact
2014-05-05 23:37 <Melanie_T> a simple password would do for the first step
2014-05-05 23:37 <Melanie_T> here's why
2014-05-05 23:37 <Melanie_T> first step - simple password
2014-05-05 23:37 <diva> I have this psychological barrier to using that. It looks so complicated compared to a simple password
2014-05-05 23:38 <diva> ok
2014-05-05 23:38 <Melanie_T> second step - tls with simple password 
2014-05-05 23:38 <Melanie_T> third step tls with certificates
2014-05-05 23:38 <Melanie_T> make the password stuff a class
2014-05-05 23:38 <Melanie_T> so it can be dropped when it's no longer needed
2014-05-05 23:38 <Melanie_T> easily dropped, i mean
2014-05-05 23:39 <Melanie_T> and crypto is - well - cryptic
2014-05-05 23:39 <Melanie_T> but i'm getting batter at it
2014-05-05 23:39 <Melanie_T> better*
2014-05-05 23:39 <diva> A class? what do you mean?
2014-05-05 23:39 <Melanie_T> since i had to convert avination to tls 1.2
2014-05-05 23:39 <diva> I was thinking about reading the password from the config file and paste it in a htpp header
2014-05-05 23:39 <Melanie_T> create a class in Opensim.Framework
2014-05-05 23:40 <Melanie_T> that has :AddPasswordToHeader:
2014-05-05 23:40 <Melanie_T> and "VerifyHeaderPassword
2014-05-05 23:40 <diva> yes
2014-05-05 23:40 <Melanie_T> taking OSHttpRequest/Respnse by ref as aparms
2014-05-05 23:40 <Melanie_T> ref may not be needed they're ref objects anywat
2014-05-05 23:40 <Melanie_T> anyway
2014-05-05 23:40 <Melanie_T> that means at the time when ot's time to drop passwords
2014-05-05 23:40 <Melanie_T> you remov the class
2014-05-05 23:40 <Melanie_T> and fix al compile errors
2014-05-05 23:40 <Melanie_T> done
2014-05-05 23:41 <Melanie_T> rather than haviing to go hunt
2014-05-05 23:41 <diva> got it, that's what I was planning to do
2014-05-05 23:41 <diva> cool
2014-05-05 23:41 <Melanie_T> that gives us a migration path from plain pw to more sophisticated stuff
2014-05-05 23:41 <Melanie_T> plain pw is evil
2014-05-05 23:41 <Melanie_T> because it can be sniffed
2014-05-05 23:42 <Melanie_T> imagine osgrid
2014-05-05 23:42 <diva> oh yeah, for osgrid this gains nothing
2014-05-05 23:42 <Melanie_T> imagibe someone takes a dedicated with the hosting company simhost uses
2014-05-05 23:42 <Melanie_T> and goes wiresharking
2014-05-05 23:42 <diva> yes
2014-05-05 23:42 <Melanie_T> even of services were password protected
2014-05-05 23:42 <Melanie_T> he'd have the pw in no time
2014-05-05 23:43 <Melanie_T> malicious sniffing is not a myth
2014-05-05 23:43 <Melanie_T> and getting on a local network is not too hard
2014-05-05 23:43 <diva> yes. this is not hard security for sure
2014-05-05 23:43 <Melanie_T> however, password over tls is secure
2014-05-05 23:43 <Melanie_T> because encryption is established before the password is sent
2014-05-05 23:43 <diva> yes
2014-05-05 23:44 <Melanie_T> it's vulnerable to MITM attacks when the cert isn't verified
2014-05-05 23:44 <Melanie_T> but you can actually verify certs without using paid ones
2014-05-05 23:44 <diva> right. But it's when we go to certificates that my head starts spinning...
2014-05-05 23:44 <Melanie_T> all you need to do is distribute your root
2014-05-05 23:44 <Melanie_T> anyone who has your root can verify your verts
2014-05-05 23:44 <Melanie_T> certs
2014-05-05 23:44 <Melanie_T> heh, it's not that hard
2014-05-05 23:44 <Melanie_T> where do you get lost on certs?
2014-05-05 23:45 <diva> it looks horribly complicated because the information must flow and be disseminated
2014-05-05 23:45 <diva> and that process seems so mystyerious
2014-05-05 23:46 <Melanie_T> what though
2014-05-05 23:46 <Melanie_T> the concept or just the apis?
2014-05-05 23:46 <diva> both!
2014-05-05 23:47 <Melanie_T> well, the concept is simple - did you ever read about the basic premise of public key crypto?
2014-05-05 23:47 <diva> like I have my certificate, then what? where are the certificate authorities? Can I be my own? Doesn't that defeat the purpose?
2014-05-05 23:47 <Melanie_T> aah ok, that level
2014-05-05 23:47 <Melanie_T> ok
2014-05-05 23:47 <Melanie_T> an linux hst can be a "CA"
2014-05-05 23:47 <Melanie_T> which stands for "certificate authority"
2014-05-05 23:47 <diva> then there are the big CAs that feel like a scam
2014-05-05 23:48 <diva> and cost $$$
2014-05-05 23:48 <Melanie_T> first you generate a key
2014-05-05 23:48 <Melanie_T> then you generate a csr
2014-05-05 23:48 <Melanie_T> the you sign the CSR with that key
2014-05-05 23:48 <Melanie_T> now this certificate's private key is also the key it was signed with
2014-05-05 23:48 <Melanie_T> this is a "root" certifictae
2014-05-05 23:49 <Melanie_T> basically the thing the CAs charge you an arm and a leg for
2014-05-05 23:49 <Melanie_T> reason they are able to do that is that they have theur "roots" be included in the major browsers
2014-05-05 23:49 <diva> and who knows about it? Will ppl trust me? -- I know browsers don't trust these auto-generated CAs
2014-05-05 23:49 <Melanie_T> BUT
2014-05-05 23:49 <diva> right
2014-05-05 23:49 <Melanie_T> if you self-sign, you can then _distribute_ that root
2014-05-05 23:49 <Melanie_T> from a trusted website
2014-05-05 23:50 <diva> which one?
2014-05-05 23:50 <Melanie_T> possibly protected by a purchased cert
2014-05-05 23:50 <Melanie_T> a cert is $10 these days for a single url
2014-05-05 23:50 <Melanie_T> per year
2014-05-05 23:50 <Melanie_T> so, you get a small cert
2014-05-05 23:50 <Melanie_T> distribute your root
2014-05-05 23:50 <Melanie_T> and it's checksum, to make sure
2014-05-05 23:50 <Melanie_T> sha, md, whatever
2014-05-05 23:50 <Melanie_T> so people can verify authenticity
2014-05-05 23:51 <diva> where? Who does that?
2014-05-05 23:51 <Melanie_T> then they install that root
2014-05-05 23:51 <diva> where do you buy those things?
2014-05-05 23:51 <Melanie_T> buy what?
2014-05-05 23:51 <diva> the $10 certificate
2014-05-05 23:51 <Melanie_T> godaddy comes to mind
2014-05-05 23:51 <diva> and ppl trust godaddy?
2014-05-05 23:51 <Melanie_T> can we go voice for a moment
2014-05-05 23:51 <Melanie_T> ?
2014-05-05 23:51 <diva> not now -- I need to leave. We'll talk about it some other time :)
2014-05-05 23:52 <diva> for now step #1 is fine :)
2014-05-05 23:52 <Melanie_T> ok
2014-05-05 23:52 <Melanie_T> anyway, i know how to spin this up
2014-05-05 23:52 <Melanie_T> you could even hosta  website for trusted roots for grids
2014-05-05 23:52 <Melanie_T> in fact, this may be a business opp i should explore ;)
2014-05-05 23:52 <diva> heheh
2014-05-05 23:52 <diva>  I would totally use it, if it makes the process less mysterious!
2014-05-05 23:53 <diva> but we have to run some mono program to get those certificates, yes?
2014-05-05 23:53 <diva> I forget the name
2014-05-05 23:54 <Melanie_T> no
2014-05-05 23:54 <Melanie_T> that is only for the official roots
2014-05-05 23:54 <Melanie_T> it's mozroots
2014-05-05 23:54 <diva> oh right
2014-05-05 23:54 <Melanie_T> but if we were to make a VW CA
2014-05-05 23:54 <Melanie_T> then it's simple files you place in bin/
2014-05-05 23:54 <Melanie_T> or wherever
2014-05-05 23:54 <diva> ++
2014-05-05 23:54 <Melanie_T> do the passwords
2014-05-05 23:54 <diva> :)
2014-05-05 23:54 <diva> will do!
2014-05-05 23:54 <Melanie_T> since step 2 depends on that
2014-05-05 23:55 <Melanie_T> and i'll think up a CA
2014-05-05 23:55 <diva> do you have a preference for the header name? Is there a standard one?
2014-05-05 23:55 <Melanie_T> probabaly gonna get paid in bitcoin ;)
2014-05-05 23:55 <diva> hehehe
2014-05-05 23:55 <Melanie_T> well, you could actually use http basic-auth
2014-05-05 23:55 <Melanie_T> it md5s the password
2014-05-05 23:55 <diva> true
2014-05-05 23:55 <Melanie_T> or base64s it
2014-05-05 23:55 <Melanie_T> or both
2014-05-05 23:55 <Melanie_T> whatever
2014-05-05 23:56 <Melanie_T> but it would be compatble
2014-05-05 23:56 <diva> I'll look into it
2014-05-05 23:56 <Melanie_T> and basic over tls is considered secure
2014-05-06 00:12 <osmantis> Bug #7150:04 [PATCH]LSL Function llUnSit Change. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7150 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-06 00:12 <osmantis> Bug #7150:04 [PATCH]LSL Function llUnSit Change. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7150 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-05-06 01:49 <osmantis> Bug #7150:04 [PATCH]LSL Function llUnSit Change. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7150 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-06 03:16 <osmantis> Bug #7151:04 Groups V2  doesnt show my groups in Firestorm using release 0.7.6.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7151 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-06 06:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #3534 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-06 06:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3534: SUCCESS in 8 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3534/
2014-05-06 06:52 <osjenkins> * orenh: Added range-checking for the parameters to PRIM_POINT_LIGHT (used in llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast() )
2014-05-06 06:52 <osjenkins> * orenh: - When sending the "My Suitcase" folder to the client, always claim it has Folder Type 8. (Previously we had used Folder Type -1 in one place, and LLClientView didn't even bother changing Folder Type 100 to anything else.)
2014-05-06 06:52 <osjenkins> * orenh: Log whenever an inventory operation is blocked because the item/folder isn't in the Suitcase
2014-05-06 06:52 <osjenkins> * orenh: Show more meaningful error messages when failed to give an item to another user
2014-05-06 06:52 <osjenkins> * orenh: Show more meaningful error messages when failed to move an item from a prim to a user's inventory.
2014-05-06 06:52 <osjenkins> * orenh: When moving an item from a prim to a user's inventory, don't delete the item from the prim until it was successfully copied to the user
2014-05-06 06:52 <osjenkins> * orenh: Better error handling in AssetServerPostHandler. Invalid XML causes an InvalidOperationException, not an XmlException
2014-05-06 08:41 <osmantis> Bug #7152:04 LSL script errors in scripts within objects in an OAR are not spotted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7152 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-06 08:43 <osmantis> Bug #7152:04 LSL errors in scripts within objects in an OAR are not spotted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7152 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-05-06 10:33 <osmantis> Bug #7150:04 [PATCH]LSL Function llUnSit Change. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7150 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-06 12:18 <osmantis> Bug #7150:04 [PATCH]LSL Function llUnSit Change. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7150 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-06 12:28 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar forever on login on OSGrid add-on regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-06 12:32 <osmantis> Bug #7151:04 Groups V2  does not show my groups in Firestorm using release 0.7.6.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7151 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-05-06 12:51 <nebadon2> hey there lbsa71!
2014-05-06 14:39 <osmantis> Bug #7147:04 Texture offset does not work properly in a linkset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7147 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-05-06 15:06 <osmantis> Bug #7153:04 [PATCH] Repair avatar standing up when sat on child prim and object is deleted. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7153 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-06 15:06 <osmantis> Bug #7153:04 [PATCH] Repair avatar standing up when sat on child prim and object is deleted. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7153 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-05-06 15:44 <osmantis> Bug #7151:04 Groups V2  does not show my groups in Firestorm using release 0.7.6.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7151 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-05-06 16:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #3535 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-06 16:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3535: SUCCESS in 4 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3535/
2014-05-06 16:31 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Comment out Cacheitems debug log lines for now
2014-05-06 16:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #3536 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-06 16:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3536: SUCCESS in 3 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3536/
2014-05-06 16:35 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Change configuration text in config files to reflect the existing situation of BulletSim as the default physics engine.
2014-05-06 16:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #3537 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-06 16:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3537: SUCCESS in 3 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3537/
2014-05-06 16:39 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Mantis 7146 The lsl function llGetMassMKS is not implemented
2014-05-06 16:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #3538 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-06 16:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3538: SUCCESS in 3 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3538/
2014-05-06 16:44 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Change llUnSit to be able to unsit any avatar that is currently sat on the object, not just avatars sitting on the sittarget in the object containing the script. or when the object is owned by the parcel, land group or estate owner.
2014-05-06 17:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #3539 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-06 17:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3539: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3539/
2014-05-06 17:50 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Fix avatars going to corner of region when they are sitting on a child prim and the prim is deleted.
2014-05-06 17:50 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: fix infinite recursion loop in SendGridInstantMessageViaXMLRPCAsync()
2014-05-06 17:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #3540 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-06 17:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3540: SUCCESS in 3 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3540/
2014-05-06 17:59 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: updated version of default user switch for load oar :q :q
2014-05-06 17:59 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: new version of patch to add default-user switch new version :qw :wq updated version of default user switch for load oar :q :q
2014-05-06 17:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #3541 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-06 18:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3541: SUCCESS in 3 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3541/
2014-05-06 18:03 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Console commands for Estate Mgmt
2014-05-06 18:05 <Plugh> The troops are gathering for the weekly OS developer meeting at Wright Plaza
2014-05-06 18:32 <Melanie_T> justincc: did you check that the IM sending patch preserves the "hunting" behavior it is supposed to have? As I read it, it now just looks up the avatar's sim once and fails the message if the avatar has since left. this code may be less robust in chasing fast teleporting avatars.
2014-05-06 18:49 <justincc> Melanie_T: no, it doesn't.  I think I will revert it to address that, though looking at existing code I think I see where it can stack overflow if m_UserRegionMap is already populated but the initial call pulls up a different sim in the lookup 
2014-05-06 18:50 <Melanie_T> then that issue should be addressed if it's really a possibility
2014-05-06 18:50 <Melanie_T> but not by removal of functionality
2014-05-06 18:50 <justincc> yes, but I imagine hunting behaviour has to be preserved as well
2014-05-06 18:51 <Melanie_T> maybe this should be done over without recursion
2014-05-06 18:51 <Melanie_T> it could, for what it does, just as well be a loop
2014-05-06 18:51 <justincc> recursion makes it very hard to reason about it
2014-05-06 18:51 <justincc> yes
2014-05-06 18:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #3542 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-06 18:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3542: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3542/
2014-05-06 18:59 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Revert "fix infinite recursion loop in SendGridInstantMessageViaXMLRPCAsync()"
2014-05-06 19:03 <osmantis> Bug #7149:04 infinite recursion loop in SendGridInstantMessageViaXMLRPCAsync() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7149 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2014-05-06 21:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #3543 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-06 21:39 <osmantis> Bug #7134:04 [PATCH] Implemented load oartouser function to assign objects from an oar to a specific user 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7134 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-06 21:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3543: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3543/
2014-05-06 21:41 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add Matt Lehmann to contributors
2014-05-06 21:45 <osmantis> Bug #7146:04 [Patch] The lsl function llGetMassMKS is not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7146 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-06 21:45 <osmantis> Bug #7150:04 [PATCH]LSL Function llUnSit Change. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7150 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-06 21:46 <osmantis> Bug #7153:04 [PATCH] Repair avatar standing up when sat on child prim and object is deleted. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7153 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-06 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #6700:04 BulletSim -- Revised implementation of Angular Deflection 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6700 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-06 22:27 <osmantis> Bug #7154:04 When viewing Profile LLCLIENTVIEW throws error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7154 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-06 23:29 <osmantis> Bug #7154:04 When viewing Profile LLCLIENTVIEW throws error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7154 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-06 23:48 <paulieflomar> Is it just me or does the MAP have NO connection to reality when it comes to the hypergrid? Example: On OSGrid, i can see Craft Grid regions on the OSGrid map. But I cant TP to them by clicking on the map, because Craft Grid isnt statically linked to OSGrid. I *CAN* hyperjump to Craft Grid regions, from OSGrid. Once on Craft Grid, I can still see OSGrid regions on the CraftGrid map, even 
2014-05-06 23:48 <paulieflomar> though Craft Grid isnt statically linked to OSGrid. But, I CANT TP to them by clicking on the map, because Craft grid isnt statically linked to OSGrid. See where I'm going with this? The map is NONSENSE for hypergridding. lol.
2014-05-07 00:01 <paulieflomar> Or am i just doing it wrong?
2014-05-07 00:05 <paulieflomar> I imagine that the map is a holdver from Linden Lab's single grid and has just never been patched to understand hypergridding.
2014-05-07 01:49 <osmantis> Bug #7154:04 When viewing Profile LLCLIENTVIEW throws error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7154 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-07 01:49 <osmantis> Bug #7133:04 More remote profile spew. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7133 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-07 02:28 <osmantis> Bug #7155:04 Default home is not set for new accounts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7155 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2014-05-07 11:45 <osmantis> Bug #6603:04 Hypergrid Friends problems between my stand-alone and OSG grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6603 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-07 11:46 <osmantis> Bug #6603:04 Hypergrid Friends problems between my stand-alone and OSG grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6603 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006769.
2014-05-07 11:46 <osmantis> Bug #6769:04 HG friends issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6769 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006603.
2014-05-07 17:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #3544 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-07 17:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3544: SUCCESS in 6 min 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3544/
2014-05-07 17:47 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Remove duplicate HypergridLinker entry from [GridService] in Robust.HG.ini.example
2014-05-07 19:29 <osmantis> Bug #7155:04 Default home is not set for new accounts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7155 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-07 20:01 <osmantis> Bug #7154:04 When viewing Profile LLCLIENTVIEW throws error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7154 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-07 20:05 <osmantis> Bug #7154:04 When viewing Profile LLCLIENTVIEW throws error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7154 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-05-07 21:24 <osmantis> Bug #7063:04 xbakes Robust.[HG].ini.example BaseDirectory = "/data/bakes" issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7063 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-07 21:26 <osmantis> Bug #7063:04 xbakes Robust.[HG].ini.example BaseDirectory = "/data/bakes" issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7063 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-05-07 22:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #3545 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-07 22:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3545: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3545/
2014-05-07 22:37 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add GridUserService service config to [UserAccountService] in Robust[.HG].ini.example so that home can be set for new users rather than always warning that it can't be set.
2014-05-07 23:00 <osmantis> Bug #7155:04 Default home is not set for new accounts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7155 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-07 23:28 <osmantis> Bug #7156:04 llPassTouches(TRUE) not restored to child prim if script removed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7156 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-07 23:30 <osmantis> Bug #7156:04 llPassTouches(TRUE) not restored to child prim if script removed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7156 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-05-07 23:32 <osmantis> Bug #7156:04 llPassTouches(TRUE) not restored to child prim if script removed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7156 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-05-08 00:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #3546 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-08 00:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3546: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3546/
2014-05-08 00:09 <osjenkins> * diva: Makes it possible to support grids in which all the simulators share all central services of a Robust server EXCEPT assets. In other words, grids where the simulators' assets are kept in one DB and the users' inventory assets
2014-05-08 00:09 <osjenkins> * diva: Allow Tools.Configger to take -inifile as argument
2014-05-08 00:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #3547 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-08 00:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3547: SUCCESS in 3 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3547/
2014-05-08 00:24 <osjenkins> diva: Delete extraneous console message in the Configger.
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2014-05-08 02:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #3548 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-08 02:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3548: FAILURE in 3 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3548/
2014-05-08 02:43 <osjenkins> diva: Finished implementing redirects in GetTexture.
2014-05-08 02:46 <smxy> That's weied. diva, I just did a pull and I see all of your commits except the split assets one ...
2014-05-08 02:47 <smxy> A merge, the extraneous message one and the gettexture one
2014-05-08 02:48 <diva> it's probably back in time
2014-05-08 02:48 <diva> I committed it a few days ago locally
2014-05-08 02:49 <smxy> yes. May 4th. boy git can be confusing sometimes. Thanks.
2014-05-08 13:18 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-08 13:23 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-08 13:26 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-08 14:33 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-05-08 16:13 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return allway en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2014-05-08 16:28 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-08 16:36 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-05-08 16:46 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-08 16:53 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar forever on login on OSGrid add-on regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-08 16:58 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar forever on login on OSGrid add-on regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-08 17:01 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-08 17:27 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-08 17:28 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-08 17:59 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-05-08 18:00 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-05-08 18:15 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-08 18:19 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-05-08 18:22 <AliciaRaven> justincc u here?
2014-05-08 18:22 <justincc> AliciaRaven: yes
2014-05-08 18:22 <justincc> diva_: ping
2014-05-08 18:22 <diva_> pong justincc
2014-05-08 18:22 <AliciaRaven> ive been working on mesh prim land impact, could i pm a link to u?
2014-05-08 18:22 <AliciaRaven> id like to get ur views before i go any further
2014-05-08 18:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #3549 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #3547 18 hr ago)
2014-05-08 18:23 <justincc> diva_: so your commit before this one caused the GetTextureHandlerTests.TextureNotFound() to fail becuase it doesn't give a redirect URL.  I think the constructor needs a null check if no redirect is given
2014-05-08 18:24 <diva_> oh sorry, I didn't notice
2014-05-08 18:24 <justincc> AliciaRaven: can this be discussed publicly?
2014-05-08 18:24 <diva_> where is that test?
2014-05-08 18:25 <AliciaRaven> sure, just the code is not great
2014-05-08 18:25 <AliciaRaven> http://www.spellscape.co.uk/alicia/land_impact.php
2014-05-08 18:25 <justincc> diva_: OpenSim/Capabilities/Handlers/Tests/GetTextureHandlerTests    There's only one in thetre that checks basic http 404 behaviour if no asset is found
2014-05-08 18:26 <justincc> AliciaRaven: I wouldn't worry about that :)
2014-05-08 18:26 <AliciaRaven> i have it working through script methods to say the mesh land impact, it changes with scale in sl so its not as streight forward as i hoped
2014-05-08 18:26 <justincc> AliciaRaven: you may be talking to the wrong person tbh - I don't have any familiarity yet with how impact is calculated in sl
2014-05-08 18:26 <AliciaRaven> that page just shows the methods for the calculations, not the script hooks i made, also extra data on the mesh needs saving to shape class because when mesh is loaded it clears the raw mesh data from memory
2014-05-08 18:27 <justincc> yes.  The problem is if that isn't done then that soaks up vast amount of server memory
2014-05-08 18:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3549: STILL FAILING in 8 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3549/
2014-05-08 18:27 <osjenkins> diva: Make the URL for texture redirects match the path of the resource that we use in OpenSim.
2014-05-08 18:28 <AliciaRaven> yes, i added some vars to shape to save the required info before its cleared, three extra int values i think
2014-05-08 18:28 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-05-08 18:28 <justincc> yeah, I thkn that woujld have to be the approach
2014-05-08 18:28 <AliciaRaven> problem is when the mesh gets resized it has to recalculate
2014-05-08 18:29 <AliciaRaven> i will put it to one side for now, but the code is available if needed
2014-05-08 18:29 <diva_> remind me where is it that we see the tests breakage on the web...
2014-05-08 18:29 <justincc> diva_: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/3548/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/testReport/junit/OpenSim.Capabilities.Handlers.GetTexture.Tests/GetTextureHandlerTests/TestTextureNotFound/
2014-05-08 18:29 <justincc> in this case
2014-05-08 18:30 <diva_> 66
2014-05-08 18:30 <justincc> yeah, it just fails because your code change assume some redirect url is always given.  Which might be valid but then other bits of that class do a null check
2014-05-08 18:30 <diva_> yep
2014-05-08 18:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #3550 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #3547 18 hr ago)
2014-05-08 18:31 <justincc> AliciaRaven: I think it would be good to open a mantis and attach your code, even though it's not a completely opensim patch
2014-05-08 18:31 <justincc> complete
2014-05-08 18:31 <justincc> thanks diva_
2014-05-08 18:32 <AliciaRaven> ok thanks justincc, will do :)
2014-05-08 18:32 <justincc> diva_: btw, probably gong to be using some of the AllowExcept, DisallowExcept parameters soon in a project which needs to use HG internally between two grids but not allow connections in or out of that LAN
2014-05-08 18:32 <djphil_> AliciaRaven : about mesh land impact, i detect a new problem too : http://www.imagerun.info/img173/1r6g2xln3uq9bzz6.jpg (before he was at the right height, now it is driven into the ground)
2014-05-08 18:33 <AliciaRaven> different kinf of land impact djphil_, im talking about mesh prim count alternative
2014-05-08 18:34 <djphil_> okay
2014-05-08 18:34 <justincc> diva_: I started collecting HG parameters on page http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Hypergrid_Parameters though it's far from complete.  I know it dupes a bit of what was in some pages already but it was useful to start collecting things in a single place
2014-05-08 18:34 <diva_> cool justincc. 
2014-05-08 18:35 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2014-05-08 18:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3550: FIXED in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3550/
2014-05-08 18:35 <osjenkins> diva: Fix test breakage
2014-05-08 18:35 <justincc> AliciaRaven: yeah not sure on the resizing.  Does that not require the phys engine to reload the mesh?
2014-05-08 18:36 <AliciaRaven> not if those lod values are saved when loading
2014-05-08 18:36 <justincc> from quickly looking at your code, it requires more info about the mesh again rather than just the scale change?
2014-05-08 18:36 <AliciaRaven> my tests on a mesh tree show almost identicle results with my script in opensim and sl's land impact value
2014-05-08 18:37 <djphil_> nebadon_ : Hello :)
2014-05-08 18:37 <djphil_> have you contated similar problem with avatar meshs ?
2014-05-08 18:37 <djphil_> http://www.imagerun.info/img173/1r6g2xln3uq9bzz6.jpg
2014-05-08 18:37 <djphil_> (01before he was at the right height, now it is driven into the ground01)
2014-05-08 18:38 <AliciaRaven> justincc, it reads the byte counts for the mesh lod mid, high etc and i dont think that changes with scale, or atleased when i resize in world it still matches sl
2014-05-08 18:38 <djphil_> in 07.5.1 and 0.7.6.1 is ok but not with 0.8.x @Neb
2014-05-08 18:38 <AliciaRaven> i need to also incude the code i added to the shape and what it saves from the mesh data i think
2014-05-08 18:39 <justincc> I would be surprised if lod changes with scale but I'm far from an expert in this area
2014-05-08 18:39 <nebadon_> I have not seen anything like that djphil_
2014-05-08 18:39 <nebadon_> not that extreme anyway
2014-05-08 18:40 <justincc> nebadon_: looking at the HG stuff, I think the necessary Allow/Disallow stuiff already exists to limit HG to an intenral grid only
2014-05-08 18:40 <djphil_> @Neb : ok, yet the problem is existing, several users have reported this problem to me and I also contate
2014-05-08 18:41 <nebadon_> ok, diva_ is working on some more stuff soon too justincc she can probably explain how some of that will work  
2014-05-08 18:41 <justincc> internal grids, i should say
2014-05-08 18:41 <nebadon_> what i would like to see is whitelists or inbound and outbound travel, and also the ability to limit travel by user level
2014-05-08 18:41 <justincc> yeah, those are all there already
2014-05-08 18:41 <diva_> nebadon_ thatg is already supported
2014-05-08 18:41 <justincc> as far as I can see
2014-05-08 18:41 <nebadon_> ok great
2014-05-08 18:42 <nebadon_> I have no idea how any of that works
2014-05-08 18:42 <justincc> the possible slight usability thing is that you could still map search for an extenral grid even if the user agent service blocks you from going there
2014-05-08 18:43 <justincc> so if I'm right, it might be nice to have a similar Allow/Disallow mechanism for what HG links map search will resolve
2014-05-08 19:45 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-08 20:08 <diva_> how do we find the assetID of an object that's inworld?
2014-05-08 20:09 <diva_> is it the UUID fields in the DB?
2014-05-08 20:11 <diva_> hmm, they're the same
2014-05-08 20:11 <diva_> UUID and SceneGroupID
2014-05-08 20:11 <diva_> not sure why we're writing both ot the DB
2014-05-08 20:12 <dahlia> does a rezzed object have an asset id? I thought it was only stuff in inventory
2014-05-08 20:13 <diva_> it is really the case that the object looses the refgerecne to the asset where it came from?
2014-05-08 20:13 <dahlia> probably
2014-05-08 20:13 <dahlia> no longer needed
2014-05-08 20:13 <nebadon_> maybe its in the blob
2014-05-08 20:13 <nebadon_> your talking about prim table?
2014-05-08 20:13 <nebadon_> there is a blob field that has all kinds of stuff in it
2014-05-08 20:14 <diva_> yes
2014-05-08 20:14 <nebadon_> my guess is maybe its in there
2014-05-08 20:14 <dahlia> I think if you take it back, it gets stored again which would probably generate a new asset id unless it was hashed or something
2014-05-08 20:14 <nebadon_> ya but that doesnt make total sense
2014-05-08 20:14 <nebadon_> if you clear cache how does it know what it has
2014-05-08 20:14 <dahlia> which cache?
2014-05-08 20:15 <nebadon_> the region cache
2014-05-08 20:15 <diva_> ah found it
2014-05-08 20:15 <nebadon_> is everything stored in that blob field?
2014-05-08 20:15 <diva_> it's in primitems I guess. maybe
2014-05-08 20:15 <nebadon_> hmm
2014-05-08 20:15 <dahlia> you're talking about linksets?
2014-05-08 20:15 <nebadon_> primitems is everything on content tab i think
2014-05-08 20:15 <diva_> is it? prim inventory?
2014-05-08 20:16 <diva_> I can't believe we loose the reference to the asset!
2014-05-08 20:16 <nebadon_> probably explains why i use inventoryitems
2014-05-08 20:16 <nebadon_> lol
2014-05-08 20:17 <dahlia> Id think you probably *want* to lose the reference
2014-05-08 20:18 <dahlia> what would you use if for if it wasnt lost?
2014-05-08 20:33 <diva_> grrr. how the heck tdo I tell that a scene object should not be backed up?
2014-05-08 20:33 <diva_> someone changes the iterface
2014-05-08 20:34 <justinccAfk> SOG.DetachFromBackup()
2014-05-08 20:35 <diva_> thanks!
2014-05-08 20:40 <justincc> diva_: what's the reasoning for making it possible for the simulators to use a different asset service from the users?
2014-05-08 20:40 <diva_> to have zones in the grid without ending up with a massive central asset storage
2014-05-08 20:41 <diva_> I'm setting up a grid like that for Encitra
2014-05-08 20:41 <diva_> we have users in central services, and zones of simulators sharing assets
2014-05-08 20:42 <justincc> to stop the asset service becoming unmanageable?
2014-05-08 20:42 <diva_> yes
2014-05-08 20:43 <justincc> are you using sras or the robust asset service?
2014-05-08 20:43 <diva_> I made a garbagge collector that cleaned up our DB of 4 years
2014-05-08 20:43 <diva_> robust
2014-05-08 20:43 <justincc> how did you clean up?
2014-05-08 20:43 <diva_> I wrote a garbagge collector :)
2014-05-08 20:43 <justincc> lol
2014-05-08 20:44 <justincc> and it inspected every region and user's inventory with uuid gatherer or something similar?
2014-05-08 20:44 <diva_> a little manual too. We first made oars of all the regions
2014-05-08 20:44 <diva_> then cleaned up the assets that weren't referenced in users' inventories
2014-05-08 20:44 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-05-08 20:44 <justincc> yeah, I've thought about such a tool vaguely but never had an urgent need to write one
2014-05-08 20:44 <diva_> the DB went from 2.2G to 350M
2014-05-08 20:44 <justincc> I imagine it's also still a pita to do
2014-05-08 20:44 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-05-08 20:44 <diva_> it was totally worth the 6 hours I spent coding it!
2014-05-08 20:45 <justincc> lol
2014-05-08 20:45 <justincc> I want to enable the robust deduping service but haven't had time to think through the complete migration strategy
2014-05-08 20:45 <diva_> anyway, I don't want to end up with these massive asset DB ever again
2014-05-08 20:45 <diva_> so now all of our encitra models have separate asset storages
2014-05-08 20:45 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-05-08 20:45 <diva_> even thought the user-related services are centralized
2014-05-08 20:46 <justincc> ah, and cleanup becomes a little easier
2014-05-08 20:46 <diva_> so it's only when ppl take object to/from inventory that copies are made between storages
2014-05-08 20:46 <diva_> yes!
2014-05-08 20:46 <diva_> it's working beautifully so far
2014-05-08 20:46 <justincc> another possible approach to cleanup is to record last asset access times, though that's not 100% foolproof and you need to have asset caches configured not to store stuff indefinitely
2014-05-08 20:46 <justincc> cool
2014-05-08 20:48 <nebadon_> ya if you were running the entire grid yourself
2014-05-08 20:48 <justincc> yeah that too
2014-05-08 20:48 <nebadon_> the thing to do prior to any kind of grid wide cleanup would be to clear all region caches and restart everything
2014-05-08 20:48 <nebadon_> then do GC
2014-05-08 20:48 <nebadon_> its not something you would be doing to often I would think
2014-05-08 20:48 <justincc> if anybody can change the conf on their asset cache there's more danger.  But that stops other approaches too
2014-05-08 20:49 <nebadon_> we were only focused on invnetory
2014-05-08 20:49 <nebadon_> not regions
2014-05-08 20:49 <nebadon_> we didnt care about regions anymore
2014-05-08 20:50 <nebadon_> what did did was more of a pre-migration cleanup
2014-05-08 20:50 <nebadon_> than a grid GC
2014-05-08 20:50 <nebadon_> what diva did* that is
2014-05-08 20:50 <justincc> you rely on people saving oars?
2014-05-08 20:50 <nebadon_> no this was our grid
2014-05-08 20:50 <justincc> ah, I see
2014-05-08 20:51 <nebadon_> we migrated all users from one grid to another
2014-05-08 20:51 <nebadon_> using the DB
2014-05-08 20:51 <nebadon_> and by we, i mean her
2014-05-08 20:51 <nebadon_> lol
2014-05-08 20:51 <diva_> well that was we -- you got the server ready
2014-05-08 21:26 <smxy> You said your GC prog could handle regions too, but you just didn't need to code that this time, because of your oars. Think you might add it? This program - if you're willing to share it, of couse - might be useful to a lot of people.
2014-05-08 21:28 <smxy> justincc: did you see today's update on mantis 7132? The collision issue?
2014-05-08 21:29 <smxy> updates*
2014-05-08 21:30 <justincc> yes.  if other script events are happening it might be a physics engine issue
2014-05-08 21:31 <justincc> although at the back of my mind I think collision events may be handled slightly differently
2014-05-08 21:33 <smxy> I've kept my region broken all day, in case anyone wants me to try/check/do anything, but will want to restart it if no one care or has anything the want me to do, as all my gates are down.
2014-05-08 21:33 <smxy> As I have no idea when the issue will manifest again.
2014-05-08 21:34 <justincc> I suggest you restart.  I'm afraid I simply don't have the mental energy to think about it at now and may not be around much tomorrow.
2014-05-08 21:34 <smxy> Misterblue is the BulletSim person, right?
2014-05-08 21:34 <justincc> yes
2014-05-08 21:35 <justincc> another thing to try is running the same region for ode and see if it crops up
2014-05-08 21:35 <smxy> Misterblue: Anything you want me to do or check, while it's still broken?
2014-05-08 21:35 <smxy> I could, but both Dan and I were pretty szure it only started happening after switching to BS.
2014-05-08 21:37 <smxy> That's an unfortunate abbreviation, heh.
2014-05-08 21:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #3551 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2014-05-08 21:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3551: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3551/
2014-05-08 21:44 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Capitalize Hypergrid help category like others
2014-05-08 22:23 <osmantis> Bug #6359:04 Creator Name Error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6359 ): has been CLOSED
2014-05-08 23:52 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-05-09 01:40 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-09 02:00 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-09 02:45 <osmantis> Bug #7158:04 [PATCH] Start of working on prim equivalence for mesh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7158 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-09 02:46 <osmantis> Bug #7158:04 [PATCH] Start of working on prim equivalence for mesh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7158 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-05-09 15:15 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar forever on login on OSGrid add-on regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-09 16:03 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar forever on login on OSGrid add-on regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-09 16:27 <osmantis> Bug #7158:04 [PATCH] Start of working on prim equivalence for mesh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7158 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-09 17:24 <diva> fcache console command doesn't work anymore?
2014-05-09 17:50 <smxy> fcache sttus does and I'm on head as of a few minutes ago, diva.
2014-05-09 17:51 <smxy> haven't checked the other fcache commands
2014-05-09 17:51 <smxy> status*
2014-05-09 17:52 <smxy> fcache assets seems to work too ...
2014-05-09 18:05 <frnic> ping Misterblue
2014-05-09 18:07 <diva> smxy if yo type fcache it says invalid command
2014-05-09 18:07 <diva> something not quite right there
2014-05-09 18:07 <nebadon_laptop> really?
2014-05-09 18:08 <diva> yep
2014-05-09 18:08 <nebadon_laptop> what console?
2014-05-09 18:08 <diva> any
2014-05-09 18:08 <diva> i mean fcache without any argiuments
2014-05-09 18:08 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-05-09 18:09 <nebadon_laptop> accoring to help thats not an option
2014-05-09 18:09 <nebadon_laptop> it seems each one is an independant command
2014-05-09 18:09 <nebadon_laptop> not like an arguemnt or switch
2014-05-09 18:09 <nebadon_laptop> type "help assets"
2014-05-09 18:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #3552 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-09 18:11 <osmantis> Bug #7159:04 Code default for max size physical prim does not match OpenSimDefaults.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7159 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-09 18:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3552: SUCCESS in 8 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3552/
2014-05-09 18:15 <osjenkins> diva: This little sucker had evaded my attention forever. As a consequence some assets associated with foreign users were being missed.
2014-05-09 18:20 <frnic> ping Melanie_ - "AllowScriptCrossings" appears to be not used any longer - it is referenced only two places in the code - one if declaration bool AllowScriptCrossings { get; } and the other is testing "            if ((args["state"] != null) && s.AllowScriptCrossings)" in OPebjectHandlers.cs line 180. It is never set. Should this be removed from the code and the OpenSimDefaults.ini???
2014-05-09 18:20 <frnic> ObjectHandlers.cs 
2014-05-09 18:22 <frnic> Ignopre the previous comment - sigh - IDE lied to me - :)
2014-05-09 18:27 <frnic> CSharp question - I assume that bool x; (no value assigned) will result in testing as false - if (x == false) ...
2014-05-09 18:28 <H-H-H> afaik all bools are false when defined unless explicitly set to true
2014-05-09 18:28 <frnic> thank you.
2014-05-09 18:29 <Melanie_> frnic: that setting is vital to scripted vehicles
2014-05-09 18:29 <Melanie_> don't ever trust IDes
2014-05-09 18:29 <Melanie_> grep is your freind
2014-05-09 18:30 <H-H-H> what? so i cant even trust monodevelop ? :P
2014-05-09 18:30 <frnic> Melanie_ - sorry, I see that now, I apologize for not double checking before posting. However, default value is false, but defined as defaulted to true in OpenSimDefautls.ini - I will file a mantis - it is NOT critical, just a consistenancy thing.
2014-05-09 18:30 <Melanie_> it should be changed to "true" in the code
2014-05-09 18:30 <Melanie_> to match the defaults file
2014-05-09 18:30 <frnic> Yup, I will file a mantis on that. 
2014-05-09 18:35 <osmantis> Bug #7160:04 AllowScriptCrossing is defaulted to false in code, but true in OpenSimDefaults.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7160 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-09 18:41 <H-H-H> how is opensim regarding pathfinding these days? anyone know?
2014-05-09 18:41 <nebadon_laptop> its not
2014-05-09 18:42 <nebadon_laptop> no one has taken on that task yet
2014-05-09 18:42 <nebadon_laptop> and don't quote me on this, but I assume that may require some viewer work too
2014-05-09 18:42 <H-H-H> oh i thought some one maybe diva was doing something, maybe i am mistaken
2014-05-09 18:42 <nebadon_laptop> since LL is using havok libraries for it
2014-05-09 18:42 <nebadon_laptop> nope
2014-05-09 18:43 <H-H-H> most modern viewers already have pathfinding in them unless you mean to support the opensim version rather than SL
2014-05-09 18:43 <nebadon_laptop> I don't really know the extent of what the viewer requires for havok and pathfinding
2014-05-09 18:43 <nebadon_laptop> may be very minimal
2014-05-09 18:44 <nebadon_laptop> they probably have no problem viewing pathfinding stuff, but actually creating and managing it, I don't know
2014-05-09 18:44 <H-H-H> thanks neb you have been very helpfull as usual :)
2014-05-09 18:44 <frnic> There was some pathfinding done a while back - maybe Dahlia? 
2014-05-09 18:44 <nebadon_laptop> I do know that for TPV to have havok stuff they have to sign an agreement and have seperate viewer for SL and OpenSim like Firestorm
2014-05-09 18:45 <nebadon_laptop> I would be surprised if other TPVs have full pathfinding support at this point
2014-05-09 18:45 <frnic> defintely it wasn't "full".
2014-05-09 18:45 <H-H-H> yeah i was chatting with FS devs the other day and they were saying that it was a pia doing that
2014-05-09 18:46 <nebadon_laptop> Dahlia was experimenting with an external tool for pathfinding
2014-05-09 18:46 <nebadon_laptop> not integrated into the viewer
2014-05-09 18:46 <nebadon_laptop> but nothing that is in or will be in core
2014-05-09 18:46 <H-H-H> ahh okies ty
2014-05-09 18:46 <nebadon_laptop> I think for now its been shelved
2014-05-09 18:47 <nebadon_laptop> I think for that to come to any kind of fruition there would need to be some kind of sponsorship
2014-05-09 18:47 <nebadon_laptop> atleast from dahlia
2014-05-09 18:47 <nebadon_laptop> someone else may eventually throw one out there
2014-05-09 18:48 <H-H-H> hopefully :)
2014-05-09 18:48 <frnic> Melanie_ default DefaultDrawDistance is set to the larger or 255.0 or the largest region demension - X or Y. Should the setting in OpenSimDefaults.ini override the max region deminsion (X or Y) being used? I expect this is either a megaregion or varregion support. As it is the ini file overrides the code.
2014-05-09 18:52 <nebadon_laptop> frnic I think that code is a bit iffy at the moment
2014-05-09 18:53 <nebadon_laptop> because of varregions
2014-05-09 18:53 <nebadon_laptop> I think that is something we need to resolve soon, there is chat issues because of it
2014-05-09 18:53 <nebadon_laptop> Misterblue have you ever had a chance to look at that?
2014-05-09 18:54 <frnic> nebadon_laptop, yeah, I am trying to "cleanup" the OpenSimDefaults.ini - so, I am just checking all of it against in code settings - this one is not clear which is correct?
2014-05-09 18:56 <nebadon_laptop> ya skip this for now
2014-05-09 18:56 <nebadon_laptop> there are bugs that need fixing in this area and Its unclear 
2014-05-09 18:57 <frnic> I will just leave it as is - 255.0 for default unless the region has a larger dimension.
2014-05-09 18:58 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-09 19:08 <nebadon_laptop> frnic you do not need to adjust this for varregions if that is what you are asking
2014-05-09 19:08 <nebadon_laptop> unless you want to see more than just your immediate neighbors
2014-05-09 19:08 <nebadon_laptop> then you would need to adjust it
2014-05-09 19:10 <smxy> Yeah, I have it set to 1024 in my grid, so I can see most of my 4x5 "mainland".
2014-05-09 19:11 <smxy> It affects what regions you create child agents in. Where you have one, you can see.
2014-05-09 19:11 <smxy> Even across spots where there is no region. :)
2014-05-09 19:13 <nebadon_laptop> smxy just so you know you always want to go 1m less
2014-05-09 19:13 <nebadon_laptop> because it starts at 0
2014-05-09 19:13 <nebadon_laptop> 1024 is the same as 1279 basically
2014-05-09 19:13 <smxy> By default, it should be the size of a region, which is either 255 or the size of the varregion, if bigger, so it sounds like the code is doing exactly as it should.
2014-05-09 19:14 <nebadon_laptop> so if you truly just want 1024 it should be 1023 in OpenSim.ini
2014-05-09 19:14 <smxy> Yeah, I noticed it had to be one less. :)
2014-05-09 19:14 <smxy> I might have misspoke, let me look.
2014-05-09 19:15 <smxy> Yes, I have it set to 1023. :)
2014-05-09 19:15 <nebadon_laptop> k cool
2014-05-09 19:16 <smxy> That's why I separated my region of gates from my mini-mainland, because when people would arrive, they'd have to create 20 agents.
2014-05-09 19:17 <smxy> So now it's an island where all they create is their root agent.
2014-05-09 19:18 <smxy> It definitely makes TPing in and out of that region much smoother and faster.
2014-05-09 19:19 <frnic> Actually, at the moment I am not concerned with "what" it does, I am just checking all settings in the OpenSimDefaults.ini against the code to make sure it reflects what the code does. In this case, there is special case code for when the region's dimensions are greater than 255, and I was curious if the default should override that special case or not. If not the OpenSimDefaults.ini should...
2014-05-09 19:19 <frnic> ...have the value commented out, so the code default is used (255.0) or the region dimension is used. If the OPenSimDefaults.ini is to be used regardless then it should not be commented out.
2014-05-09 19:21 <nebadon_laptop> this setting has nothing to do with size of the region
2014-05-09 19:21 <nebadon_laptop> was my point
2014-05-09 19:21 <nebadon_laptop> its how far the viewer can see
2014-05-09 19:22 <frnic> Well, the code says it is based ont he size of the region if that size is greater than the default - 
2014-05-09 19:22 <nebadon_laptop> in terms of neighboring regions
2014-05-09 19:22 <smxy> yes, and it sounds like the code is trying to make sure that you can see your entire region, whatever size it is.
2014-05-09 19:22 <smxy> By default.
2014-05-09 19:22 <smxy> 255 or size_of_var_region-1
2014-05-09 19:23 <nebadon_laptop> I think it has to do with how far from the edge of the simulator the viewer can see
2014-05-09 19:23 <frnic> smxy, yes, exactly, so should the OpenSimDefaults.ini override that code? Or not? I would say it should, but not by default - meaning the user should ahve to configure it to make the setting over ride the code.
2014-05-09 19:23 <nebadon_laptop> so its more about the size of your neighbors
2014-05-09 19:23 <nebadon_laptop> than the size of your sim
2014-05-09 19:24 <nebadon_laptop> and if you want to see past your immediate neighbors
2014-05-09 19:24 <nebadon_laptop> then you go +1 over 255
2014-05-09 19:24 <smxy> or +1 over the the size of your varregion -1
2014-05-09 19:24 <nebadon_laptop> and it puts you into the next set of regions, based on everyone being 256m
2014-05-09 19:24 <frnic> nebadon_laptop, I think you are still referring to how the code should work, and that is not what I am looking at, I am looking at how the OpenSimDefaults.ini should affect the code.
2014-05-09 19:24 <nebadon_laptop> i know how the code works
2014-05-09 19:24 <nebadon_laptop> i use this all the time
2014-05-09 19:25 <frnic> I am not disagreeing with you :)
2014-05-09 19:25 <nebadon_laptop> i have huuuugely gigantic simulators
2014-05-09 19:25 <Melanie_> and he's not lying.....
2014-05-09 19:25 <Melanie_> ;)
2014-05-09 19:25 <smxy> I think the code is doing the right thing and nothing should change that unless the user wants to see more than their immediate neighbors.
2014-05-09 19:25 <frnic> I have a 8192 x 8192 region myself - not to small :)
2014-05-09 19:25 <nebadon_laptop> its not about 1 region
2014-05-09 19:26 <nebadon_laptop> its about being able to see beyond just your immediate neighbors
2014-05-09 19:26 <frnic> smxy, right, so the OpenSimDefaults.ini should NOT set that value and should let the code set iut.
2014-05-09 19:26 <nebadon_laptop> say all your regions are 256m
2014-05-09 19:26 <nebadon_laptop> and its set to 255
2014-05-09 19:26 <smxy> That's *my* take, yes. :)
2014-05-09 19:26 <nebadon_laptop> and you log into the center of a 3x3
2014-05-09 19:26 <nebadon_laptop> 9 regions total
2014-05-09 19:26 <nebadon_laptop> you are only going to see 9 regions
2014-05-09 19:26 <nebadon_laptop> if you set that to 511
2014-05-09 19:27 <nebadon_laptop> your going to see 25 regions
2014-05-09 19:27 <nebadon_laptop> etc.. etc..
2014-05-09 19:27 <frnic> okay, I am keeping a set of notes I will provide with the mantis to update the OpenSimDefautls.ini - in it I will explain that change in the .ini.
2014-05-09 19:27 <frnic> Since that is a "change" to how it works now.
2014-05-09 19:38 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar forever on login on OSGrid add-on regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-09 21:34 <H-H-H> hey guys do hg frind notifications (online/offline) mean if im on osgrid and my hg friend logs into thier grid i will get an online notification in osgrid and vice versa ? apologies if these a dumb question but ive never tried it before lol
2014-05-09 21:36 <Arielle_> thats the idea.
2014-05-09 21:37 <H-H-H> nice thanks Arielle_
2014-05-10 00:47 <osmantis> Bug #7161:04 XINVENTORY HANDLER errors when outfit outside suitcase 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7161 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2014-05-10 04:23 <osmantis> Bug #7158:04 [PATCH] Start of working on prim equivalence for mesh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7158 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-10 04:30 <Plugh> :q
2014-05-10 04:59 <dahlia> :wq
2014-05-10 05:10 <osmantis> Bug #7158:04 [PATCH] Start of working on prim equivalence for mesh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7158 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-10 05:19 <lkalif> that should be :q! of course
2014-05-10 05:33 <osmantis> Bug #7158:04 [PATCH] Start of working on prim equivalence for mesh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7158 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-10 06:03 <osmantis> Bug #7161:04 XINVENTORY HANDLER errors when outfit outside suitcase 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7161 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-05-10 07:19 <osmantis> Bug #7158:04 [PATCH] Start of working on prim equivalence for mesh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7158 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-10 12:07 <osmantis> Bug #7158:04 [PATCH] Start of working on prim equivalence for mesh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7158 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-10 13:02 <osmantis> Bug #7024:04 llSetKeyframedMotion stopped working with 0.7.6.1 Release 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7024 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-10 13:03 <osmantis> Bug #7024:04 llSetKeyframedMotion stopped working with 0.7.6.1 Release 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7024 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-10 13:21 <osmantis> Bug #7158:04 [PATCH] Start of working on prim equivalence for mesh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7158 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-10 14:13 <osmantis> Bug #7158:04 [PATCH] Start of working on prim equivalence for mesh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7158 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-10 14:35 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar forever on login on OSGrid add-on regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-10 17:08 <osmantis> Bug #7158:04 [PATCH] Start of working on prim equivalence for mesh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7158 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-10 17:54 <osmantis> Bug #7158:04 [PATCH] Start of working on prim equivalence for mesh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7158 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-10 17:55 <osmantis> Bug #7158:04 [PATCH] Start of working on prim equivalence for mesh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7158 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-10 17:56 <osmantis> Bug #7158:04 [PATCH] Start of working on prim equivalence for mesh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7158 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-10 18:01 <osmantis> Bug #7158:04 [PATCH] Start of working on prim equivalence for mesh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7158 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-10 18:17 <osmantis> Bug #7158:04 [PATCH] Start of working on prim equivalence for mesh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7158 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-10 19:05 <osmantis> Bug #7158:04 [PATCH] Start of working on prim equivalence for mesh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7158 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-10 20:58 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-10 21:19 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-10 21:36 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-10 21:44 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-10 22:07 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-05-10 23:00 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-10 23:20 <smxy> Dev_Random: I'm seeing (after a delay) a collision_end for every collision_start. However, my testing has only been with teleports within the same region. Were you seeing this on in-region TPs or TPs out of the region, or both? I can set up my test case to work between regions next ... (and between grids, after that).
2014-05-10 23:21 <smxy> Note that the sl wiki says that collision_end doesn't reliably trigger.
2014-05-10 23:22 <smxy> So far, I've only lost a collision event, but no starts or ends.
2014-05-10 23:54 <smxy> I wonder if my region will crash. I have two gates lying horizontally and each configured to rez me just above the other, so I then drop into it. Every 25 seconds or so, I TP ...
2014-05-11 00:11 <smxy> Misterblue: ping
2014-05-11 00:12 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-11 00:15 <Misterblue> pong, smxy
2014-05-11 00:16 <smxy> hi
2014-05-11 00:16 <smxy> collisions sure are weird ...
2014-05-11 00:16 <smxy> okay, so I've been testing this, trying to make it blow up.
2014-05-11 00:16 <smxy> I was doing this: [19:59] <smxy> I wonder if my region will crash. I have two gates lying horizontally and each configured to rez me just above the other, so I then drop into it. Every 25 seconds or so, I TP ...
2014-05-11 00:17 <smxy> That was working fine and then I thought I would reboot the region so I could start the test from a clean slate.
2014-05-11 00:17 <smxy> But now it behaves different after a restart.
2014-05-11 00:18 <smxy> I hover over gate A and drop. It TPs me to gate B. Gate B send me back to A.
2014-05-11 00:19 <Misterblue> this is all in the same region or different regions/simulators?
2014-05-11 00:19 <smxy> Instead of A TPing me again, it repeats that it's in colission() every second and does nothing for at least a couple of minutes, and then while I was typing this, it has now started to work as expected again.
2014-05-11 00:19 <smxy> within the same region for the moment.
2014-05-11 00:20 <Misterblue> recreating the ScenePresence should zero out collision lists... converting to root to child or staying in same region should be different that moving between simulators
2014-05-11 00:20 <smxy> I'm just trying one thing at a time, but not getting the same results consistently.
2014-05-11 00:21 <Misterblue> one mystery at a time... I can work with that :)
2014-05-11 00:21 <smxy> :)
2014-05-11 00:22 <smxy> Now I'm seeing what I saw before: A->B->A-25 second Pause->B .... reeat.
2014-05-11 00:22 <smxy> repeat*
2014-05-11 00:22 <smxy> Except that, just as I said that, A has gone back to just saying it's in collision() once a second. Sigh.
2014-05-11 00:25 <Misterblue> I don't know if there is some interaction with the teleport state machine (delays in state changes, ...)
2014-05-11 00:25 <Misterblue> and why ODE is different than BulletSim actions
2014-05-11 00:26 <smxy> There is clearly a delay in state change, look at what I put in the mantis.
2014-05-11 00:31 <smxy> I'm moving the teleport call from collision_start to collision, to see if that makes a difference.
2014-05-11 00:37 <smxy> That seems to have stopped it from getting hung up in collision()
2014-05-11 00:38 <smxy> I'm now back to A->B->A->25secdelay->continue
2014-05-11 00:40 <smxy> I see what is happening now - why it looks like there's only one 25 second delay . There's really two in this test.
2014-05-11 00:41 <smxy> A sends me to B, which immediately sends me back to A.
2014-05-11 00:42 <smxy> I wait 25 seconds, then the first A TP times out and sends me to B again, where about a split second later, it's first TP's 25 second delay finishes and sends me right back to A.
2014-05-11 00:42 <smxy> Rinse and repeat.
2014-05-11 00:43 <smxy> The two delays are running in parallel.
2014-05-11 00:43 <smxy> A split second off from one another.
2014-05-11 00:46 <Misterblue> I'm not sure justincc's teleport state solution is the best
2014-05-11 00:47 <Misterblue> and, again, not sure why BulletSim is different than ODE -- these code changes are in the simulator... there is some little semantics that BulletSim is not doing
2014-05-11 00:50 <smxy> Well, for the moment, I'll let this auto-TPing continue, to see if the original issue appears or I can crash the sim. Then I'll move on to TPs between regions that ren't neighnors, then between grids.
2014-05-11 00:50 <smxy> It will take me a few days, I'm sure.
2014-05-11 00:51 <smxy> As I am so far not seeing what Dev_Randon did - the collision_starts not being followed by collision_ends.
2014-05-11 00:52 <smxy> But maybe that's because I'm staying in the same region riht now.
2014-05-11 00:54 <smxy> I don't believe that diva liked the teleport state changes either, as I recall.
2014-05-11 00:54 <smxy> Damn, now I've gone and pinged her. Sigh.
2014-05-11 00:54 <smxy> heh
2014-05-11 00:55 <smxy> anyway, I saw issues like these delays whenn he made them and I wanted to document everything that was happening and now it's finally happening, though his stuff and collision issues seem to be wrapped together in this for me.
2014-05-11 00:57 <smxy> We'll sort it out eventually. I'll try to provide all the info I can and if we ever can repeat the collision stopping issue I'll distill my script down into something you can use to repro it.
2014-05-11 01:06 <smxy> Misterblue: I'm going to open a separaate mantis for the delay issue.
2014-05-11 01:07 <Misterblue> ok... that will get justincc looking at the problem also... I am thinking it is some interaction with the collisions and teleports
2014-05-11 01:07 <smxy> Yes, will mark them as related.
2014-05-11 01:07 <Misterblue> that, at least, gives me someone else to blame :)
2014-05-11 01:08 <smxy> Well, the two may have nothing to do with each other. Time will tell.
2014-05-11 01:10 <smxy> I'm going to verify it's that delay on that line, as I suspect, by putting it back to the 40 Justin had and seeing if that's reflected in my test.
2014-05-11 01:15 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-05-11 02:58 <osmantis> Bug #6876:04 [BulletSim] Avatar Mesh underwater levitation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6876 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-05-11 04:40 <osmantis> Bug #7151:04 Groups V2  does not show my groups in Firestorm using release 0.7.6.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7151 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-11 08:11 <linkedinyou> ping Misterblue
2014-05-11 08:12 <linkedinyou> Misterblue:   do you know the guy qho configure Havok Physic engine for secondlife.. anyone knows?
2014-05-11 08:28 <TripleT1> Hi, there. Hallo.
2014-05-11 08:28 <TripleT1> I'd like to run an OpenSim-World within my WiFi-Network to invite all my RL-Neighbours and People outside around the Place i live to join this World and start gathering, chatting and so on. I also would like to provide an Audio-Stream in a smaller Area of that OpenSim-World. I have to run a Linux-Machine as a Server ( DHCP, DNS, HTTP and such ) for my WiFi-Network, already, but it still has enough Power to do more. Do You have 
2014-05-11 08:28 <TripleT1> Ich würde gerne in meinem WLAN-Netzwerk eine OpenSim-Welt laufen lassen, um alle meine RL-Nachbarn und Leute von draußen, rund um mein Zuhause, dazu einzuladen, in diese Welt einzutreten, um sich dort zu versammeln, miteinander zu reden und so weiter. Außerdem würde ich gerne in 'nem kleineren Bereich dieser Welt 'nen Audio-Stream bereitstellen. Für mein WLAN-Netz muss ich bereits einen Linux-Rechner als Server ( DHCP, DNS
2014-05-11 10:40 <osmantis> Bug #7162:04 String variables containing only spaces are reset to empty on simulator restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7162 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-11 11:05 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-05-11 11:11 <osmantis> Bug #3963:04 blank variable not preserved on re-rez/restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3963 ): The issue 0007162 has been set as DUPLICATE OF the following issue.
2014-05-11 11:11 <osmantis> Bug #7162:04 String variables containing only spaces are reset to empty on simulator restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7162 ): has been set as DUPLICATE OF issue 0003963.
2014-05-11 11:12 <osmantis> Bug #7162:04 String variables containing only spaces are reset to empty on simulator restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7162 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-11 11:13 <osmantis> Bug #3963:04 blank variable not preserved on re-rez/restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3963 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-11 15:06 <smxy> Mantis is down again. It's embarassing how often it goes down.
2014-05-11 15:11 <danbanner> ya it was getting slower and slower to load
2014-05-11 15:12 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/ is done :(
2014-05-11 15:12 <djphil> hi dan ;)
2014-05-11 15:36 <smxy> Oh, I'm setting up an evil ride .... You step through one gate and then get chain-teleported through 44 (so far) more gates until you are back at the start. Whee! :)
2014-05-11 15:37 <smxy> You can get a bit dizzy. :)
2014-05-11 15:43 <Aleric> When is 0.8 going to be released?
2014-05-11 15:45 <smxy> The RC was just this week.
2014-05-11 15:45 <smxy> The first RC, rather.
2014-05-11 16:27 <Arielle_> is http://opensimulator.org down or is it just me?
2014-05-11 16:27 <smxy> It is
2014-05-11 16:27 <smxy> down.
2014-05-11 16:27 <Arielle_> kk thx smxy
2014-05-11 16:28 <smxy> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
2014-05-11 16:35 <smxy> hehe, I have a gate lablled "101". It isn't Dalmations you get. :)
2014-05-11 19:51 <dahlia> Arielle_: should be back up now
2014-05-11 22:30 <smxy> llSleep() is bad, right? Doesn't it essentially paralyze a script until it expires? Even to the extent of it not being able to receive and process events?
2014-05-11 22:32 <smxy> Found my answer: yes.
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2014-05-12 00:52 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-12 00:53 <smxy> hmm, I just updated a mantis but it didn't say so here ...
2014-05-12 00:53 <smxy> Oh and there it is.
2014-05-12 00:53 <smxy> just slow.
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2014-05-12 05:09 <osmantis> Bug #7151:04 Groups V2  does not show my groups in Firestorm using release 0.7.6.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7151 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-12 05:14 <osmantis> Bug #6788:04 Jumping Not As Expected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6788 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-12 05:16 <osmantis> Bug #6826:04 Malformed User Agent Connector 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6826 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-12 05:17 <osmantis> Bug #7090:04 0.7.6.1 UserProfiles Built-In Forgetting Partner field 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7090 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-12 05:20 <osmantis> Bug #7113:04 llGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7113 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-12 05:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #3553 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-12 06:02 <osmantis> Bug #7161:04 XINVENTORY HANDLER errors when outfit outside suitcase 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7161 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-12 06:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3553: SUCCESS in 7 min 40 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3553/
2014-05-12 06:03 <osjenkins> orenh: Fixed error if a user didn't have a "Current Outfit" folder in their suitcase.
2014-05-12 06:27 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-12 11:01 <osmantis> Bug #7003:04 osGetNotecard returns extra chars when notecard contains diacritics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7003 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-12 11:28 <osmantis> Bug #7158:04 [PATCH] Start of working on prim equivalence for mesh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7158 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-12 11:39 <osmantis> Bug #6789:04 BulletSim: Consuming vast amounts of CPU 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-12 12:43 <osmantis> Bug #7163:04 Chat Issues: 1) Chat across region borders 2) Script chat always hearable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7163 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-12 13:01 <Thonneve> Can anyone see a reason why opensim wouldn't work on *BSD?
2014-05-12 13:12 <nebadon_laptop> Thonneve in theory it should work
2014-05-12 13:12 <nebadon_laptop> however working out all the dependancies for mono on BSD could be highly challenging
2014-05-12 13:18 <osmantis> Bug #7163:04 Chat Issues: 1) Chat across region borders 2) Script chat always hearable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7163 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007039.
2014-05-12 13:18 <osmantis> Bug #7039:04 [VAR] Objects using llSay & whisper have no limits on distance 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7039 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007163.
2014-05-12 13:18 <Thonneve> nebadon_laptop: Ports did that all for me... I think
2014-05-12 13:19 <nebadon_laptop> can you be more specific about the problem you are experiencing?
2014-05-12 13:20 <Thonneve> I haven't got one yet, I was just wondering if anyone had knowledge on opensim running on FreeBSD or other BSDs
2014-05-12 13:20 <nebadon_laptop> I cant think of anyone but i mean unix and linux are similar enough where really if all the dependancies are available it should work, i see absolutely no reason why it would not
2014-05-12 13:21 <nebadon_laptop> infact on linux for me at least when i start it up, it says it has detected "Unix" as the environment
2014-05-12 13:23 <nebadon_laptop> 09:11:01 - [SERVER BASE]: Operating system version: Unix 3.7.10.1, .NET platform Unix, 64-bit
2014-05-12 13:23 <Thonneve> Linux is Unix-like, but I was thinking because the linux kernel and FreeBSD kernel being vastly different and the GNU userspace and the BSD userspace is also vastly different there may have been a problem
2014-05-12 13:23 <nebadon_laptop> BSD is Unix, its not Unix-Like
2014-05-12 13:24 <nebadon_laptop> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Software_Distribution
2014-05-12 13:25 <Thonneve> BSD is unix, freeBSD is unix like i believe
2014-05-12 13:25 <nebadon_laptop> anyway you most definitely will run into issues
2014-05-12 13:25 <nebadon_laptop> i have no doubt about that, however I dont think any issues are absolute dead ends
2014-05-12 13:26 <nebadon_laptop> its just a matter of figuring it out
2014-05-12 13:26 <Thonneve> Ahh I see
2014-05-12 13:26 <nebadon_laptop> mono can be hard even on certain linux variations
2014-05-12 13:35 <osmantis> Bug #6789:04 BulletSim: Consuming vast amounts of CPU 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-12 14:10 <osmantis> Bug #6789:04 BulletSim: Consuming vast amounts of CPU 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-12 14:11 <osmantis> Bug #7158:04 [PATCH] Start of working on prim equivalence for mesh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7158 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-12 14:48 <osmantis> Bug #6789:04 BulletSim: Consuming vast amounts of CPU 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-12 15:00 <osmantis> Bug #7148:04 Scripts not Running after Teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7148 ): Eine Notiz wurde zu diesem Eintrag hinzugefügt.
2014-05-12 15:37 <osmantis> Bug #6789:04 BulletSim: Consuming vast amounts of CPU 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-12 15:42 <osmantis> Bug #6789:04 BulletSim: Consuming vast amounts of CPU 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-12 15:54 <osmantis> Bug #7164:04 Bullet physics has trouble with shallow stairs (even basic prim ones) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7164 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-12 16:04 <Plugh> I'm trying to determine why I can no longer search for events when using the ossearch add-on module. I updated the module code to address a couple of minor issues and I can see event markers on the map. When I search for events using a viewer I see no signs that the search is being attempted.
2014-05-12 16:05 <Plugh> I'm wondering if something got broken when the built-in search module was added.
2014-05-12 16:13 <Plugh> hm.. It did call DirFindQuery. 
2014-05-12 16:47 <Plugh> Got it! The flag used to search for events using the Search panel changed. It now uses DateEvents.
2014-05-12 16:56 <osmantis> Bug #6789:04 BulletSim: Consuming vast amounts of CPU 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-12 17:06 <lillith_xue> O.o Hypergrid attachments seem to be still buggy: i got an apple while in Hypergrid and attached it to the hand, but if i detach it it disappears from the scene but keeps showing in the attachments-list on the server-console, also the animation-script that was in it is still animating me
2014-05-12 17:08 <osmantis> Bug #6789:04 BulletSim: Consuming vast amounts of CPU 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-12 17:27 <osmantis> Bug #6789:04 BulletSim: Consuming vast amounts of CPU 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-12 18:07 <smxy> I've noticed that, with BulletSim, at least, my feet are never in contavt with the land, but always several inches above it.
2014-05-12 18:07 <smxy> contact*
2014-05-12 19:03 <osmantis> Bug #6789:04 BulletSim: Consuming vast amounts of CPU 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-12 21:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #3554 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-12 21:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3554: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3554/
2014-05-12 21:08 <osjenkins> jjustincc: In SynchronousRestObjectRequester.MakeRequest<TRequest, TResponse>(string verb, string requestUrl, TRequest obj, int pTimeout, int maxConnections) actually set timeout on WebRequest if given.
2014-05-12 21:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #3555 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-12 21:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3555: SUCCESS in 3 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3555/
2014-05-12 21:12 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Add method doc to SynchronousRestObjectRequester.MakeRequest() methods
2014-05-12 21:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #3556 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-12 21:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3556: SUCCESS in 3 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3556/
2014-05-12 21:19 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: eliminate unused UUID in xmlrpc GroupsMessagingModule.ProcessMessageFromGroupSession()
2014-05-12 21:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #3557 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-12 21:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3557: SUCCESS in 3 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3557/
2014-05-12 21:28 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Eliminate subsequently unused scene finding in UndeliveredMessage() method of xmlrpc and core offline IM modules
2014-05-12 21:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #3558 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-12 21:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3558: SUCCESS in 3 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3558/
2014-05-12 21:42 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Replace existing 0 timeout in internal overloaded SynchronousRestObjectRequester.MakeRequest() methods with proper Timeout.Infinite (-1) instead.
2014-05-12 21:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #3559 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-12 21:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3559: SUCCESS in 3 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3559/
2014-05-12 21:59 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add send group notice regression test for when MessageOnlineUsersOnly=true
2014-05-12 22:30 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: ping
2014-05-12 22:32 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: I made a commit to ossearch earlier today that makes it possible to search for events once more. Note the change in the format of the landing points. They now use / separators instead of commas, See the examples in the README.
2014-05-12 22:32 <Plugh> bbl. Dinner is ready.
2014-05-12 22:34 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-05-12 22:34 <nebadon_laptop> thanks Plugh
2014-05-12 22:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #3560 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-12 22:40 <smxy> justincc: did you see my in-region TP stress test? :)
2014-05-12 22:40 <justincc> no
2014-05-12 22:40 <smxy> 2000+ chained, in-region TPs.
2014-05-12 22:41 <smxy> It was the Energizer Bunny of in-region TPs. :)
2014-05-12 22:41 <justincc> did it blow up?
2014-05-12 22:41 <smxy> Nope. ODE and BulletSim handled it perfectly.
2014-05-12 22:41 <justincc> cool.
2014-05-12 22:41 <justincc> i imagine teleporr between regios would be a bit more dodgy...
2014-05-12 22:42 <justincc> though I would hold out some hope that would be pretty ok
2014-05-12 22:42 <smxy> It did show a few flaws in my teleporter script, which I fixed.
2014-05-12 22:42 <justincc> pCampbot has code for doing massive continuous teleporting tests
2014-05-12 22:42 <smxy> It takes about 40 secons to get through a circuit of 100 gates and then I just linked the 2 ends.
2014-05-12 22:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3560: SUCCESS in 3 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3560/
2014-05-12 22:43 <osjenkins> jjustincc: For XmlRpcGroups (Flotsam) module, when MessageOnlineUsersOnly = true, handle notices to offline users directly as known undeliverable messages rather than discarding or attempting delivery.
2014-05-12 22:43 <smxy> The only thing I don't like is that osTeleportAgent causes a 5 second delay in collision_end triggering.
2014-05-12 22:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #3561 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-12 22:46 <smxy> I'll be doing TPs between neghboring regions, non-neghboring regions, and grids, as the next tests.
2014-05-12 22:47 <smxy> Automated and continuous, I mean.
2014-05-12 22:47 <smxy> With an appropriate delay between TPs.
2014-05-12 22:47 <smxy> Hopefully a small delay.
2014-05-12 22:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3561: SUCCESS in 3 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3561/
2014-05-12 22:48 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Make offline IM delivery to URL (pre recent Addons code) have a 10 second rather than infinite timeout.
2014-05-12 22:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #3562 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-12 22:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3562: SUCCESS in 3 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3562/
2014-05-12 22:53 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Add some method doc to IMessageTransferModule
2014-05-12 22:54 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-12 23:07 <Thonneve> Anyone know how to fix this?: /usr/home/nathan/opensim/OpenSim/Framework/Util.cs(2084,24): error CS0246: The type or namespace name `ConcurrentDictionary' could not be found. Are you missing an assembly reference?
2014-05-12 23:08 <Thonneve> FreeBSD if anyone needs to know
2014-05-12 23:10 <nebadon_laptop> probably missing mono stuff
2014-05-12 23:11 <Thonneve> Any clue what it might be?
2014-05-12 23:13 <Thonneve> Seems to compile just fine with xbuild over nant, strange
2014-05-12 23:14 <antont> perhaps gets some lib dir correctly only with xbuild
2014-05-12 23:16 <Thonneve> Really wouldn't supprise me
2014-05-12 23:24 <smxy> xbuild has been the preferred/recommended tool to build with, over nant, for some time now.
2014-05-12 23:29 <Thonneve> I think it was just outdated instructions, anyone have any idea how I can use BulletXNA rather than normal bulletsim?
2014-05-12 23:34 <antont> not me
2014-05-12 23:44 <lkalif> ConcurrentDictionary is in .net 4.0
2014-05-12 23:45 <lkalif> Thonneve: means you need mono 2.10 at least
2014-05-12 23:45 <lkalif> check mono --version
2014-05-12 23:45 <Thonneve> I have the newest on FreeBSD 10
2014-05-12 23:45 <Thonneve> Which is,...
2014-05-12 23:45 <Thonneve> 3.4.0
2014-05-12 23:46 <lkalif> hmm, yeah so that's not the issue...
2014-05-12 23:46 <Thonneve> It was nant
2014-05-12 23:46 <Thonneve> Xbuild compiled it successfully
2014-05-12 23:46 <lkalif> nant should probably be removed as an option. it's abandonware more or less
2014-05-12 23:47 <lkalif> I'm considering doing the same for libopenmetaverse and radegast
2014-05-12 23:47 <lkalif> xbuild used to suck, but it got a lot better
2014-05-12 23:48 <Thonneve> Where can I find the source for libopenjpeg-dotnet-2-1.5.0-dotnet-1-x86_64
2014-05-12 23:48 <Thonneve> ?
2014-05-12 23:49 <lkalif> it's in libopenmetaverse source code
2014-05-12 23:49 <lkalif> https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse
2014-05-12 23:50 <lkalif> you can git clone it from there
2014-05-12 23:50 <lkalif> the code is in "openjpeg-dotnet" folder
2014-05-12 23:50 <lkalif> you might need to tweak makefile
2014-05-12 23:50 <Thonneve> Without openjpeg I won't have textures will I?
2014-05-12 23:52 <lkalif> I'm not exactly sure what is openjpeg used for in opensim these days
2014-05-12 23:54 <Thonneve> I seem to have fixed my dll missing error now so that's good
2014-05-13 00:14 <dahlia> lkalif: openjpeg is used to decode sculpt maps for making physics meshes
2014-05-13 00:15 <lkalif> ah, yes
2014-05-13 00:15 <lkalif> dahlia: there was also something bout boundaries between resolutions for udp texture downloads
2014-05-13 00:15 <dahlia> maybe also for the map tiles but I thought that used csj2k
2014-05-13 00:16 <dahlia> oh not sure if it uses the boundaries any more
2014-05-13 00:16 <lkalif> i should install freebsd 10 to see how hard is it to compile openjpeg ;)
2014-05-13 00:16 <dahlia> I thought viewer guessed
2014-05-13 00:17 <lkalif> dahlia: iirc it's part of the protocol to request a discard level so the server has to know how much to send
2014-05-13 00:17 <dahlia> oh I thought viewer guessed and it just used whatever data it got
2014-05-13 00:18 <dahlia> because "discard levels" dont really exist in jpeg2000 spec
2014-05-13 00:18 <lkalif> they do, they're not called that
2014-05-13 00:18 <lkalif> they have several resolutions packed in the file
2014-05-13 00:18 <lkalif> so discard 1 is "skip the highest res", discard 2 "skip two top resolutions"...
2014-05-13 00:19 <dahlia> I think thats jpeg, not jpeg2000?
2014-05-13 00:19 <lkalif> I'm pretty sure jpeg2000 is mutli-res
2014-05-13 00:20 <dahlia> dunno. havent looked at the spec in ages
2014-05-13 00:20 <lkalif> me neighter
2014-05-13 00:20 <dahlia> but one could just discard the hither frequency coefficients
2014-05-13 00:20 <dahlia> *higher
2014-05-13 00:21 <lkalif> still, when the viewer says gimme discard 2, the server has to have some idea how much to send
2014-05-13 00:21 <lkalif> this is UDP only, http has no such mechanism
2014-05-13 00:21 <dahlia> I thought was "give me 2" was "give me first n bytes" and n was a estimate
2014-05-13 00:22 <lkalif> no it was give me texture without two highest resolutions
2014-05-13 00:22 <dahlia> at least thats what I remember when MichelleZ was explaining that part of the protocol once
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2014-05-13 02:16 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: yw. I still have to commit the updated DLL. I'll get to that shortly.
2014-05-13 03:23 <osmantis> Bug #7113:04 llGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7113 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 06:06 <timothy_hoxley> I am setting up a reverse nginx proxy for opensim, and well I got all the way to the point that I got everything running BUT turns out everytime someone tries to login robust is seeing them come from 127.0.0.1
2014-05-13 06:07 <timothy_hoxley> I am passing all the forwarding headers, I am just at a loss of what I am doing wrong
2014-05-13 06:08 <lkalif> well for every reverse proxy in nginx you typically add following in the same block where your proxy_pass directlve is
2014-05-13 06:08 <lkalif> proxy_set_header X-Real-IP $remote_addr;
2014-05-13 06:08 <lkalif> proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $proxy_add_x_forwarded_for;
2014-05-13 06:08 <lkalif> proxy_set_header Host $http_host;
2014-05-13 06:08 <timothy_hoxley> i am doing that
2014-05-13 06:08 <lkalif> proxy_set_header X-NginX-Proxy true;
2014-05-13 06:09 <lkalif> then robust isn't smart enough to look into X-Real-IP / X-Forwarded-For
2014-05-13 06:10 <timothy_hoxley> https://gist.github.com/hack13/ad7a9621a0c7af219ecc
2014-05-13 06:10 <timothy_hoxley> what i have
2014-05-13 06:10 <lkalif> that looks ok
2014-05-13 06:12 <timothy_hoxley> i mean i know it is possible osgrid is doing it
2014-05-13 06:12 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: might be able to answer that bit
2014-05-13 06:12 <timothy_hoxley> i have done my testing, everything is configured correctly all the instances are programmed correctly
2014-05-13 06:13 <timothy_hoxley> just the stupid ip will not forward
2014-05-13 06:13 <lkalif> but that's only for logging, robust isn't using remote IP for anything, is it?
2014-05-13 06:13 <timothy_hoxley> i actually looked at gist nebadon_laptop has but didn't see anything helpful
2014-05-13 06:15 <timothy_hoxley> http://pastebin.com/nHePEtZL <-- set to expire in 10min
2014-05-13 06:15 <timothy_hoxley> like password check, everything goes great
2014-05-13 06:15 <timothy_hoxley> but it see login from 127.0.0.1
2014-05-13 06:16 <timothy_hoxley> see it actually process the login
2014-05-13 06:16 <timothy_hoxley> the region gets the data
2014-05-13 06:16 <timothy_hoxley> the viewer gets transfered to the sim
2014-05-13 06:17 <timothy_hoxley> but the sim is like wtf is (person's real ip) all I know is i am looking for someone on 127.0.0.1
2014-05-13 08:51 <osmantis> Bug #6789:04 BulletSim: Consuming vast amounts of CPU 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 11:24 <osmantis> Bug #7165:04 Large number of errors thrown by [SynchronousRestObjectRequester] with r/24732 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7165 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-13 11:28 <osmantis> Bug #7165:04 Large number of errors thrown by [SynchronousRestObjectRequester] with r/24732 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7165 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 11:28 <osmantis> Bug #6789:04 BulletSim: Consuming vast amounts of CPU 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 11:52 <osmantis> Bug #7165:04 Large number of errors thrown by [SynchronousRestObjectRequester] with r/24732 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7165 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 11:55 <osmantis> Bug #7165:04 Large number of errors thrown by [SynchronousRestObjectRequester] with r/24732 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7165 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 11:59 <osmantis> Bug #7165:04 Large number of errors thrown by [SynchronousRestObjectRequester] with r/24732 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7165 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 12:10 <osmantis> Bug #6789:04 BulletSim: Consuming vast amounts of CPU 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 12:49 <osmantis> Bug #7166:04 llSetMemoryLimit always fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7166 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-13 13:53 <osmantis> Bug #6789:04 BulletSim: Consuming vast amounts of CPU 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 14:30 <osmantis> Bug #6789:04 BulletSim: Consuming vast amounts of CPU 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 16:11 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 16:47 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 17:15 <MistySolution> lkalif: It compiles fine, working is a different situation alltogether
2014-05-13 17:20 <Plugh> smxy: I don't think you properly read the comments to bug 7037. I was replying to the question in Justin's last comment asking where to find a public version of a PHP file to save/retrieve offline IM's when using the Flotsam/XmlRpcGroups.
2014-05-13 18:44 <osmantis> Bug #6789:04 BulletSim: Consuming vast amounts of CPU 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 18:45 <smxy> Plugh: I do believe you ae correct. Note deleted. :)
2014-05-13 18:46 <Plugh> smxy: I edited my comment to make it clear that I was replying to a question.
2014-05-13 18:46 <smxy> I saw. :)
2014-05-13 18:46 <smxy> I should read more than just the last comment. :)
2014-05-13 18:47 <Plugh> I didn't include any information about modifying offline.php if one wants to have offlines messages forwarded to email.
2014-05-13 18:52 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 18:57 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 18:57 <MistySolution> Getting a viewer to work on FreeBSD is more work than I thought
2014-05-13 19:24 <osmantis> Bug #7165:04 Large number of errors thrown by [SynchronousRestObjectRequester] with r/24732 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7165 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 20:52 <osmantis> Bug #7167:04 [BulletSim] : llSetKeyframedMotion no 100% working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7167 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
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2014-05-13 21:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #3563 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-13 21:25 <osmantis> Bug #7165:04 Large number of errors thrown by [SynchronousRestObjectRequester] with r/24732 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7165 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-05-13 21:26 <smxy> Thanks, Justin. :)
2014-05-13 21:27 <justincc> wasn't in response to your badgering, I knew about this one alraedy :)
2014-05-13 21:27 <justincc> but still don't understand why it behaved quite as it did yet, but this should resolve it
2014-05-13 21:27 <smxy> I wasn't intending to badger. Didn't know if you knew is all and figured you'd want to. 
2014-05-13 21:28 <justincc> yeah sorry, thanks.  I get a bit tetchy when tired
2014-05-13 21:28 <smxy> As do many of us. :)
2014-05-13 21:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3563: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3563/
2014-05-13 21:28 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix behaviour change in recent commit bbc1dc6 so that SynchronousRestObjectRequester.MakeRequest() calls with no timeout specified use the default HttpWebRequest timeout as previously.
2014-05-13 21:28 <justincc> because the infinite teimout should have meant the requests never timed out, rather than timing out very quickly as they did
2014-05-13 21:29 <smxy> Right.
2014-05-13 21:30 <justincc> anyway, please test asap in case it's still wrong
2014-05-13 21:30 <smxy> Ouch. A BulletSim excption that killed the simulator.
2014-05-13 21:31 <justincc> Starting from native code?
2014-05-13 21:32 <smxy> not sure I know what you mean. Let me pastebin it.
2014-05-13 21:32 <smxy> http://pastebin.com/iFrgETHc
2014-05-13 21:33 <justincc> no, that's coming from within managed code
2014-05-13 21:33 <smxy> That's running  73891c7
2014-05-13 21:33 <smxy> (24722)
2014-05-13 21:34 <justincc> somehoe a null got inserted into the PhysObjects dictionary
2014-05-13 21:34 <justincc> though I couldn't say how since I've never looked at the bs code
2014-05-13 21:34 <smxy> I'll file a mantis
2014-05-13 21:34 <smxy> I'm doing a test, TPing back and forth between two neighboring regions, every 30 seconds.
2014-05-13 21:35 <smxy> I made 12 circuits and got that.
2014-05-13 21:35 <justincc> how curious.  Looking at the code, that ought to be strictly impossible
2014-05-13 21:35 <justincc> all insertions occur right after newly craetred objects
2014-05-13 21:35 <smxy> I'm also seeing what Dev_Random saw: once the Agent TPs out of the sim, collision_end never fires, so the counter just goes up and up in collision_start.
2014-05-13 21:36 <justincc> I wonder if it's because PhysObjects aren't being locked on read.  Because by the SDK that's not a thread-safe operation
2014-05-13 21:37 <smxy> Lastly, I'm reminded of a problem I've had for a very long time: every so often you get teleported to coordinates totally different than where you were supposed to go.
2014-05-13 21:37 <smxy> This test is raising flags all over, heh.
2014-05-13 21:37 <Dev_Random> I see that too... I get sent to 128,128 sometimes
2014-05-13 21:37 <smxy> I can pastebin an example of that which happened just a bit ago.
2014-05-13 21:38 <justincc> one of those marvellous rare race conditions I expect
2014-05-13 21:38 <Dev_Random> I wondered about MisterBlue's comment about handling stairs via collision detection.... possible race track...
2014-05-13 21:38 <smxy> it gets really weird coordinates.
2014-05-13 21:38 <justincc> the kind that's a real pain to pin down because people haven't properly written code with those problems in mind
2014-05-13 21:39 <smxy> http://pastebin.com/a2hZxJC1
2014-05-13 21:41 <smxy> I think the sending region sends bad coords and the receiving region substitues something sane for them.
2014-05-13 21:41 <justincc> that's possible
2014-05-13 21:44 <osmantis> Bug #7165:04 Large number of errors thrown by [SynchronousRestObjectRequester] with r/24732 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7165 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 21:45 <smxy> Interesting. Since I failed to TP to the region that crashed, I got a collision_end for the collision_start that I tried to TP out of. It's just TPing out of the region that makes the script not get the collision_end.
2014-05-13 21:46 <Dev_Random> that was the original item I was testing... 
2014-05-13 21:47 <smxy> Yes, I'm trying to rack up enough of those to perhaps trigger the thing I'm trying to cause: the failure of collision_start to fire.
2014-05-13 21:48 <smxy> Maybe after enough failures of end to trigger, start fails to trigger.
2014-05-13 21:51 <Dev_Random> Yesterday, I deployed the latest OSG release in the morning, logged in and TP'd a couple times, and logged out.  Last night, collisions were not firing, and the logs showed nobody else had been there.
2014-05-13 21:51 <justincc> and this definitely doesn't happen with ode?
2014-05-13 21:52 <smxy> I haven't tried with ODE. That's next.
2014-05-13 21:52 <lkalif> MistySolution: now working? how? you did replace .so in bin/, right?
2014-05-13 21:52 <Dev_Random> justincc: I don't know.  I've only really used BulletSim.
2014-05-13 21:52 <justincc> I thought we had seen it only happen in bullet?
2014-05-13 21:52 <smxy> Though I could find out in a few minutes. Let me do that now.
2014-05-13 21:52 <justincc> it would be really useuf lto know if it happens in ode, since that would tell us whether it's likely a general problem or a bulletsim specific issue
2014-05-13 21:52 <justincc> which would eliminate large chunks of code to look at
2014-05-13 21:53 <smxy> I'll switch to ODE now and tell you in a few minutes
2014-05-13 21:53 <smxy> at least about the missed collision_end events, anyway
2014-05-13 21:53 <justincc> as you can imagine, part of collision handling code is physics engine, part is scene mechanism and part is script engine
2014-05-13 21:53 <Dev_Random> I'm guessing it's highly related to the Teleport functionality though.... If random collisions were breaking, combat sims would have noticed, no?
2014-05-13 21:53 <justincc> it's surprising what stops working and it's months until anybody reports it
2014-05-13 21:54 <justincc> or sometimes even years
2014-05-13 21:54 <justincc> but why would this be related to teleport.  Because avatars are teleoprting?
2014-05-13 21:55 <smxy> I know that if the gates are both in the same region, I see an end event for every start, with either ODE or BS.
2014-05-13 21:55 <Dev_Random> physics object leaving the scene before engine is done with it?
2014-05-13 21:55 <smxy> If you leave the region in the TP, with BS, you don't get the end event.
2014-05-13 21:56 <justincc> and how is teleport triggered?
2014-05-13 21:56 <smxy> Will test that in ODE momentarily.
2014-05-13 21:56 <smxy> by a collision
2014-05-13 21:56 <justincc> so collision_start triggers teleport and you don't get a collision_end sometimes?
2014-05-13 21:56 <smxy> osTeleportAgent is called in collision_start.
2014-05-13 21:56 <smxy> You never get the end if you leave the region, with BS.
2014-05-13 21:56 <smxy> You always get the end if you don't leave the region, either engine
2014-05-13 21:56 <justincc> and this is the only time when this kind of thing happens?
2014-05-13 21:57 <Dev_Random> it was a commonality... happens in LBSA (which has gates, was happening to smxy with gates)
2014-05-13 21:57 <smxy> Unsure. I only started looking for it after Dev_Random mentioned it. Was hoping it might be the cause of the other issue: the start event not firing after some time.
2014-05-13 21:58 <Dev_Random> I wrote a simple gate script, and it happened to me....
2014-05-13 21:58 <justincc> I can't say that case would enromously surprise me - the teleport removes the avatar physics capsule from the scene
2014-05-13 21:59 <smxy> I'll be back in a few minutes. Need to chatting and run the test. :)
2014-05-13 21:59 <Dev_Random> justincc: that's why I wondered if the "stair" collision might be related...  
2014-05-13 21:59 <Dev_Random> more physics trying to use the avatar
2014-05-13 22:01 <justincc> ok, so the code which consumes physics is SceneObjectPart.PhysicsCollision()
2014-05-13 22:02 <justincc> it does this by looking at the collision info coming from the phys engine, and maintaining its own list of colliders
2014-05-13 22:02 <justincc> if an object disappears from that list, then I think the collision_end event should end up being triggered
2014-05-13 22:02 <justincc> so it's rather curious that this doesn#t happen
2014-05-13 22:04 <justincc> perhaps there's some issue where the teleporting avatar is never removed from the phys engine list of colliders
2014-05-13 22:04 <justincc> though I would consider that somewhat unlikely since, at least in ode, this list is regenerated each phys frame
2014-05-13 22:04 <Dev_Random> justincc:  I have 2 regions with scripts like this...  http://pastebin.com/xrye4Z7k  
2014-05-13 22:05 <Dev_Random> The touch event tells me that collision_end is NOT reliably being fired.
2014-05-13 22:05 <justincc> but sometimes it does fire?
2014-05-13 22:05 <Dev_Random> yup
2014-05-13 22:06 <Dev_Random> rare
2014-05-13 22:06 <justincc> that screams race condition
2014-05-13 22:06 <Dev_Random> agreed
2014-05-13 22:06 <justincc> do you use the option to run bulletsim on a separate thread?
2014-05-13 22:06 <justincc> I doubt that's related but would be interesting to know
2014-05-13 22:07 <Dev_Random> not sure.... that'd be OSGrid default.. .I don't override it
2014-05-13 22:07 <Dev_Random> (not connected to that machine right now)
2014-05-13 22:08 <justincc> yes, that is the setting
2014-05-13 22:08 <justincc> another good test would be to see if setting that to false changes behaviour
2014-05-13 22:10 <justincc> if it is a separate thread, then there are two - the scene loop asks for collision updates at certain times but the physics thread generates those asynchronously, instead of both these things happening in order on a single thread
2014-05-13 22:11 <justincc> though they are excluded via CollisionLock
2014-05-13 22:11 <justincc> and if a collider disappears you would actually expect to see collision_end as the scene no longer sees it in the collider list
2014-05-13 22:11 <justincc> hm
2014-05-13 22:11 <smxy> With ODE, you also don't get the end event. The counter in start is going up but never being decremented in end. I think that's wrong though, for either engine.
2014-05-13 22:12 <justincc> ok
2014-05-13 22:12 <justincc> there's a mantis for this, right?
2014-05-13 22:12 <Dev_Random> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132
2014-05-13 22:12 <smxy> Well, there's amantis for the starts not firing, that this is mentioned in.
2014-05-13 22:12 <osmantis> Bug #7165:04 Large number of errors thrown by [SynchronousRestObjectRequester] with r/24732 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7165 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 22:13 <Dev_Random> smxy is right.... this is just a side conversation in that mantis....
2014-05-13 22:13 <Dev_Random> no proof it's related to the issue
2014-05-13 22:13 <djphil> collision in linkset have problem too ...
2014-05-13 22:13 <smxy> This issue was just a possible cause of, or related to, the other issue.
2014-05-13 22:13 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6855
2014-05-13 22:13 <justincc> needs to be a new mantis
2014-05-13 22:13 <djphil> tested in SL and it work fine in SL ...
2014-05-13 22:14 <smxy> Not using volumedetect
2014-05-13 22:14 <Dev_Random> justincc: you're calling it  a bug?  not just the way it works?
2014-05-13 22:15 <justincc> I hadn't considered that.  I assumed that you would always expect a collision_end?
2014-05-13 22:15 <djphil> just mention because I see that you are talking about collision smxy
2014-05-13 22:15 <smxy> It makes logical sense anyway. If you leave the area of the oobkect, you cannot be colliding with it, so the collision should end.
2014-05-13 22:15 <smxy> Yes?
2014-05-13 22:16 <smxy> object*
2014-05-13 22:16 <Dev_Random> it does make logical sense.... but programming it could be hell on an event queue.
2014-05-13 22:17 <djphil> yes it would be logic behavior. this is what we expect as behavior
2014-05-13 22:17 <justincc> dI would hope it's not that bad
2014-05-13 22:17 <Dev_Random> if you're still in the region, the collision hasn't ended... but if you've left, you can't handle the event
2014-05-13 22:18 <smxy> It's not you that handles the even. It's the script in the object that handles it. It should note that you are gone and get and process the event, yes?
2014-05-13 22:18 <justincc> true....depends how complicated it is to detect that situation
2014-05-13 22:18 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION has to go... the dinner yell is sounding.

2014-05-13 22:18 <nebadon_laptop> llVolumeDetect sucks in opensimulator
2014-05-13 22:18 <nebadon_laptop> its quite worthless
2014-05-13 22:18 <smxy> Not using it, neb
2014-05-13 22:19 <nebadon_laptop> ive wasted weeks on that stupid function
2014-05-13 22:19 <justincc> bye Dev_Random
2014-05-13 22:19 <smxy> enjoy dinner
2014-05-13 22:19 <nebadon_laptop> I use it for my NPC stuf
2014-05-13 22:19 <nebadon_laptop> and it flat out just doesnt work good in Bulletsim
2014-05-13 22:19 <nebadon_laptop> its a lot better i ODE
2014-05-13 22:20 <nebadon_laptop> but both are a far cry from SL
2014-05-13 22:20 <nebadon_laptop> in SL it basically never fails ever
2014-05-13 22:20 <djphil> with prim phantom should be used
2014-05-13 22:20 <nebadon_laptop> llVolumeDetect should automatically make the prim phatom
2014-05-13 22:20 <MistySolution> lkalif: Compiled whatever lib I was talking about natively
2014-05-13 22:21 <smxy> So, justincc, should this particular issue get a mantis?
2014-05-13 22:21 <djphil> yes it is for this and this is useful in some cases
2014-05-13 22:21 <lkalif> MistySolution: stop punishing yourself, just intall Linux :P
2014-05-13 22:21 <justincc> yes
2014-05-13 22:22 <smxy> Alright.
2014-05-13 22:22 <justincc> danbanner: ping
2014-05-13 22:23 <MistySolution> lkalif: Linux has bored me
2014-05-13 22:23 <djphil> Neb, if you have 5 minutes, test the script that is in 6855 mantis on SL, it works perfectly fine. But it does not work in opensim
2014-05-13 22:23 <lkalif> MistySolution: sure, but you're wasting people's valuable time because you're bored
2014-05-13 22:24 <osmantis> Bug #7165:04 Large number of errors thrown by [SynchronousRestObjectRequester] with r/24732 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7165 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 22:24 <nebadon_laptop> djphil i dont even have to test it to know that wont work
2014-05-13 22:24 <nebadon_laptop> heh
2014-05-13 22:24 <nebadon_laptop> don't waste your time trying to use llVolumeDetect for anything in bulletsim
2014-05-13 22:25 <nebadon_laptop> it might work a couple times in a row ok
2014-05-13 22:25 <nebadon_laptop> but its going to fail most of the time
2014-05-13 22:25 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: how do you make a sensor for say landmark giver?
2014-05-13 22:25 <lkalif> is there some alternastive that works?
2014-05-13 22:25 <nebadon_laptop> radar
2014-05-13 22:25 <djphil> and about neb collision, have you noticed for vehicles. the bumper of vehicle with emission of particles to collide with object as you have in your buggy. it does not work correctly
2014-05-13 22:25 <nebadon_laptop> keep a list of uuids so you dont repeat giving it
2014-05-13 22:25 <smxy> nebadon_laptop: That script isn't using VolumeDetect. It's commented out.
2014-05-13 22:25 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: that's horribly cpu wasteful
2014-05-13 22:26 <nebadon_laptop> ya probably, the right way would of course be llVolumeDetect, but its pretty unreliable
2014-05-13 22:26 <nebadon_laptop> it really depends
2014-05-13 22:26 <nebadon_laptop> with my NPC system i had like 100's of llVolumeDetect prims
2014-05-13 22:27 <nebadon_laptop> and within a minute or two of starting npcs they start failing
2014-05-13 22:27 <nebadon_laptop> you find npcs smashed into a wall or in a corner walkin in place
2014-05-13 22:27 <nebadon_laptop> if you have say 1 firing at a time it probably works fine
2014-05-13 22:27 <nebadon_laptop> i you have 2 or more firing simultaneously its likely going to fail
2014-05-13 22:28 <nebadon_laptop> one of them will fail anyway
2014-05-13 22:28 <lkalif> I see
2014-05-13 22:28 <nebadon_laptop> so it really depends on how you are using it
2014-05-13 22:28 <nebadon_laptop> but it doesnt take much to get a failure which is why its not so great for use right now
2014-05-13 22:28 <nebadon_laptop> it worked much better in ODE
2014-05-13 22:28 <lkalif> In SL I use them for stuff like sliding door sensor, landmark giver, stuff like that
2014-05-13 22:28 <nebadon_laptop> ya as do I
2014-05-13 22:29 <smxy> Yeah, it's always been terribly broken in OpenSim.
2014-05-13 22:29 <nebadon_laptop> and most of the time its not a problem when your testing it yourself
2014-05-13 22:29 <nebadon_laptop> its onl whe you push it hard it starts breaking
2014-05-13 22:29 <lkalif> too bad ODE doesn't work with varregions
2014-05-13 22:30 <nebadon_laptop> i was using it or waypoints for NPC
2014-05-13 22:30 <nebadon_laptop> so i cold mark out paths with waypoint prims
2014-05-13 22:30 <djphil> I use ausi ​​collsions detection set of darts and archery ... and it works randomly : (((
2014-05-13 22:30 <nebadon_laptop> and when the NPC collided with waypoint it would llsay on private channel coordinates of next waypoint to a prim the NPC wears
2014-05-13 22:30 <nebadon_laptop> sending it to next location
2014-05-13 22:30 <nebadon_laptop> but i have completly abandonded it now just not feasible
2014-05-13 22:31 <djphil> aussi > Too*
2014-05-13 22:31 <nebadon_laptop> I think a lot of it has to do with how bad Xengine is at threading
2014-05-13 22:31 <dahlia> why not just use sensors and/or llGetObjectDetails?
2014-05-13 22:32 <djphil> yep for radar i use llGetObjectDetails too
2014-05-13 22:32 <djphil> is very nice
2014-05-13 22:32 <nebadon_laptop> i doubt sensors would do any better with 50 npcs unning around
2014-05-13 22:33 <djphil> sensor is greedy for cpu
2014-05-13 22:33 <dahlia> not sure how sensors are implemented but if it were just checking agents, in theory it could be pretty cheap
2014-05-13 22:33 <djphil> llGetObjectdetails is better
2014-05-13 22:33 <nebadon_laptop> i dont think i ever used that function
2014-05-13 22:33 <nebadon_laptop> not sure how it works
2014-05-13 22:34 <dahlia> its a nice function :)
2014-05-13 22:34 <nebadon_laptop> is that something the NPC would wear?
2014-05-13 22:34 <djphil> 
ACTION approved ^^

2014-05-13 22:34 <dahlia> attachments already know their location with llGetPos
2014-05-13 22:34 <nebadon_laptop> i recall trying to do something at_target 
2014-05-13 22:34 <nebadon_laptop> an that failed horribly too
2014-05-13 22:35 <nebadon_laptop> because it would always stop just short of the target
2014-05-13 22:35 <dahlia> llVolumeDetect fails even in SL
2014-05-13 22:35 <osmantis> Bug #7168:04 collision_end fails to trigger 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7168 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-13 22:35 <nebadon_laptop> ya I cant say i ever pushed it as hrad in SL as I do in OpenSim
2014-05-13 22:35 <nebadon_laptop> but ive never had it fail in SL myself
2014-05-13 22:35 <dahlia> I have
2014-05-13 22:36 <djphil> ha yes this is also a problem ... neb with npc move to target ... if you have a little delay on your area (lag) and of all your movements are distorted npc
2014-05-13 22:36 <nebadon_laptop> with my NPCs i was trigering volume detects like 5-10 a second
2014-05-13 22:36 <osmantis> Bug #7165:04 Large number of errors thrown by [SynchronousRestObjectRequester] with r/24732 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7165 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 22:36 <nebadon_laptop> I almost never use LSL anymore lol
2014-05-13 22:37 <nebadon_laptop> its pretty terible
2014-05-13 22:37 <nebadon_laptop> its so easy to make break xengine
2014-05-13 22:37 <nebadon_laptop> i guess cause of mono maybe I don't know
2014-05-13 22:37 <nebadon_laptop> anything i do with LSL anymore is extremely basic stuff
2014-05-13 22:37 <smxy> You write all C# scripts?
2014-05-13 22:38 <nebadon_laptop> nah I just dont have much use for scripting lately
2014-05-13 22:38 <nebadon_laptop> but ya all the NPC and vehicle stuff we do now is with region module
2014-05-13 22:38 <nebadon_laptop> Xengine is just not up to the task
2014-05-13 22:39 <smxy> SnowCrash might have been, but that ship's sailed ...
2014-05-13 22:39 <nebadon_laptop> diva did all that though I have to idea how the code works, ive never actually seen any of the source code for it
2014-05-13 22:39 <nebadon_laptop> i doubt it
2014-05-13 22:39 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-05-13 22:40 <dahlia> cant say Ive ever had a script crash but most of the stuff I do is pretty basic
2014-05-13 22:41 <nebadon_laptop> ya if you use a bunch of timers, and collison detection stuff
2014-05-13 22:41 <nebadon_laptop> its pretty easy for things to just stop working
2014-05-13 22:41 <nebadon_laptop> have to restart simulator
2014-05-13 22:41 <nebadon_laptop> even my racer is realy heavy
2014-05-13 22:41 <nebadon_laptop> ive all but abandoned that as well
2014-05-13 22:41 <dahlia> often on osgrid my AO fails after I teleport 
2014-05-13 22:42 <dahlia> its like the scripts in it fail to load
2014-05-13 22:44 <osmantis> Bug #7165:04 Large number of errors thrown by [SynchronousRestObjectRequester] with r/24732 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7165 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 22:59 <osmantis> Bug #7165:04 Large number of errors thrown by [SynchronousRestObjectRequester] with r/24732 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7165 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 23:00 <osmantis> Bug #7165:04 Large number of errors thrown by [SynchronousRestObjectRequester] with r/24732 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7165 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 23:03 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: man, you're always doing opensim down :)
2014-05-13 23:04 <justincc> xengine does work for various things, though thngs certainly need improvement, as is pretty much always the case
2014-05-13 23:04 <justincc> 
ACTION is slightly happier since he thinks he finially found the problem with requests

2014-05-13 23:05 <smxy> Cool.
2014-05-13 23:05 <smxy> I think it's noteworthy that Avination does NOT use XEngine.
2014-05-13 23:06 <justincc> I'm a bit tired of people complaining constantly
2014-05-13 23:07 <smxy> Reporting real issues != complaining.
2014-05-13 23:08 <justincc> did I say it was?
2014-05-13 23:08 <smxy> Nor is discussing actual flaws in OpenSim.
2014-05-13 23:08 <dahlia> 
ACTION whines incessently "its broke fix it!"

2014-05-13 23:09 <smxy> It seemed like you were, but perhaps I read it wrong.
2014-05-13 23:09 <justincc> you did
2014-05-13 23:11 <lkalif> justincc: on the plus side, I didn't complain about a thing in a while :P
2014-05-13 23:11 <dahlia> letting it build up? :P
2014-05-13 23:11 <justincc> I feel that will change :)
2014-05-13 23:11 <smxy> Will wonders never cease. :p
2014-05-13 23:12 <lkalif> hahaha
2014-05-13 23:12 <justincc> I'm waiting for you to say how shit opensim is :)
2014-05-13 23:12 <justincc> which it is
2014-05-13 23:12 <justincc> 
ACTION sighs

2014-05-13 23:12 <dahlia> not bad for free :)
2014-05-13 23:12 <lkalif> 
ACTION shakes his head "damned college girls"

2014-05-13 23:12 <lkalif> they kill opensource :P
2014-05-13 23:13 <lkalif> revolution and aurora fell victim to those destroyers of opensource ;)
2014-05-13 23:13 <lkalif> there :)
2014-05-13 23:14 <smxy> Well, when puberty strikes, there's little you can do ...
2014-05-13 23:14 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION misses his kitely account... Now THAT was a simulator.

2014-05-13 23:14 <dahlia> pffft. what kills open source are all the silicon valley billionaire wannabees who mix and match open source projects hoping some angels will bestow billions on them
2014-05-13 23:14 <dahlia> and they NEVER give back
2014-05-13 23:14 <justincc> we trample on the corpses of projects unfairly killed before their prime
2014-05-13 23:14 <justincc> only by standing on those corpses can we hope to reach higher
2014-05-13 23:15 <lkalif> Aurora was a really really nicely polished version. With much improved scripting, ODE twearks, features like varregions
2014-05-13 23:16 <lkalif> I'm sorry to see it abandonded
2014-05-13 23:16 <dahlia> aurora had some nice stuff but I heard it had a lot of half inplemented features also
2014-05-13 23:16 <justincc> it also ripped out all regression test code
2014-05-13 23:17 <lkalif> if you write bug free code, you don't need regression tests :P
2014-05-13 23:17 <Plugh> hehe
2014-05-13 23:17 <dahlia> lol
2014-05-13 23:17 <lkalif> but seriously, it was really nicely done
2014-05-13 23:18 <dahlia> "those are not bugs, they are undocumented features"
2014-05-13 23:18 <justincc> well, maybe it's the difference between evolution and revolution
2014-05-13 23:18 <lkalif> perhaps someone can take a look at stuff Revolution did to ODE
2014-05-13 23:19 <AliciaRaven> i left aurora when rev vanished lol
2014-05-13 23:19 <dahlia> I think most of what I wrote is still in aurora relatively unscathed
2014-05-13 23:19 <lkalif> It wors so much better in Aurora, and supports varregions and stuff
2014-05-13 23:19 <lkalif> perhaps it can be transplanted to opensim like varregions were
2014-05-13 23:19 <justincc> yeah, may be worth looking at
2014-05-13 23:19 <smxy> WhiteStar forked it and are working on it.
2014-05-13 23:19 <dahlia> our ODE layers are a disaster
2014-05-13 23:19 <smxy> is*
2014-05-13 23:20 <smxy> WhiteCore, it's called, I think.
2014-05-13 23:20 <dahlia> they are also pretty uncomprehensable
2014-05-13 23:20 <justincc> they have the benefit of working and very rarely triggering native crashes
2014-05-13 23:20 <justincc> are they?  I disagree
2014-05-13 23:20 <dahlia> justincc: ok well try to fix llMoveToTarget then :)
2014-05-13 23:21 <justincc> I'm sure I'll end up doing that sooner or later
2014-05-13 23:21 <lkalif> Perhaps I will take some time to familiriaze myself with Aurora code
2014-05-13 23:21 <lkalif> see if some of the cool things from there can be ported
2014-05-13 23:21 <dahlia> theres a LOT of commented out code with no explanations
2014-05-13 23:22 <dahlia> I guess one could just delete it :)
2014-05-13 23:23 <lkalif> I have some extra time now that I no longer work on Singularity ;)
2014-05-13 23:23 <justincc> I don't see a lot of that.  COuld you give an example?
2014-05-13 23:23 <smxy> Huh? You don't work on Singularity any more?
2014-05-13 23:23 <lkalif> nope
2014-05-13 23:23 <smxy> Why not?
2014-05-13 23:23 <dahlia> justincc: I dont remember offhand exactly where but it has to do with maintaining elevation
2014-05-13 23:24 <justincc> they finally had enough of you, eh?
2014-05-13 23:24 <lkalif> yes
2014-05-13 23:24 <dahlia> or you of them?
2014-05-13 23:24 <justincc> dahlia: well, I've removed a lot over the years and I really dont' see any huge chunks right now
2014-05-13 23:24 <lkalif> smxy: disagreement with the project founder. also Melanie_T 
2014-05-13 23:25 <dahlia> justincc: been a while since I looked. I guess it could have changed
2014-05-13 23:25 <smxy> You and Mel disagree? Never. :)
2014-05-13 23:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #3564 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-13 23:26 <lkalif> smxy: turns out Melanie_T payed Siana to insert some obfuscated code into the viewer that helps the product she sells on SL, and disadvateges her competitor
2014-05-13 23:26 <dahlia> lkalif: nothing wrong with occasional disagreements. They can be a catalyst for improvement.
2014-05-13 23:26 <smxy> Hmm.
2014-05-13 23:28 <smxy> Are you working with the Firestorm folks now?
2014-05-13 23:28 <dahlia> how about radegast :D
2014-05-13 23:28 <lkalif> Well for all practical purposes, I was running that project for the past year as Siana was mostly absent. And I won't stand for Melanie_T having a veto over some decisions there just because she payed Siana
2014-05-13 23:28 <Melanie_T> since you are dragging it into here, i will need to set the facts straight: i did NOT Pay siana gearz, the code is NOT obfuscated. i DID pay Mana Janus to write the code for Hippo, not the code but it's activation method was obscure, and no payment was involved in transferring that code into Singularity.
2014-05-13 23:28 <lkalif> so they can have their fun there
2014-05-13 23:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3564: SUCCESS in 3 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3564/
2014-05-13 23:29 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix recent asset request timeout issue by commenting out (for now) the m_maxAssetRequestConcurrency mistakenly passed in as a timeout to SynchronousRestObjectRequester.MakeRequest()
2014-05-13 23:29 <lkalif> Melanie_T: ok I was wrong about who got payed. Stuff being obfuscated are your words.
2014-05-13 23:30 <Melanie_T> yes. the activation method, it uses certain fixed face color values to enable the feature
2014-05-13 23:30 <lkalif> anyway... doesn't mastter, I disagree with who gets to have veto right there, so you can have all the fun with it 
2014-05-13 23:32 <lkalif> dahlia: radegast works :)
2014-05-13 23:32 <smxy> Will you/Have you considered working with the Firestorm folks, lkalif?
2014-05-13 23:32 <lkalif> I really like Singularity
2014-05-13 23:32 <lkalif> so probably not
2014-05-13 23:33 <dahlia> too bad. Radegast is pretty cool
2014-05-13 23:33 <osmantis> Bug #7165:04 Large number of errors thrown by [SynchronousRestObjectRequester] with r/24732 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7165 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 23:33 <lkalif> dahlia: too bad about what?
2014-05-13 23:34 <lkalif> I'm not abandining Radegast, just saying there is not much to be done there
2014-05-13 23:34 <dahlia> ya it works
2014-05-13 23:36 <lkalif> there are actually crazy people who use 3D in Radegast
2014-05-13 23:36 <lkalif> and want me to make avatars better, including adding support for rigged mesh
2014-05-13 23:36 <dahlia> what I like about it is you can log in and only run 3d when you need it
2014-05-13 23:37 <dahlia> I also like the plugin ability
2014-05-13 23:37 <lkalif> Yeah, I like how the plugin system turned out
2014-05-13 23:37 <lkalif> I like 3D part much less :P
2014-05-13 23:37 <dahlia> though it would be nice to be able to unload a plugin
2014-05-13 23:38 <lkalif> .net makes that nearly impossible
2014-05-13 23:38 <lkalif> dealing with application domains is a nightmare
2014-05-13 23:38 <osmantis> Bug #7165:04 Large number of errors thrown by [SynchronousRestObjectRequester] with r/24732 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7165 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 23:39 <osmantis> Bug #7165:04 Large number of errors thrown by [SynchronousRestObjectRequester] with r/24732 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7165 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 23:40 <dahlia> that LSLEditor thingie has some kind of runtime/debug capability, wonder what it does?
2014-05-13 23:41 <lkalif> neve tried that
2014-05-13 23:41 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: Turns out there were still some issues with event handling. I believe I finally nailed it all down this time. I've committed the changes. You need updated DLL and PHP files. Also note the format for event date, duration, and landing point. See the README file (near the bottom) for details.
2014-05-13 23:41 <dahlia> I sometimes use it when scripting a lot. Singu can call it as external script editor
2014-05-13 23:42 <osmantis> Bug #7165:04 Large number of errors thrown by [SynchronousRestObjectRequester] with r/24732 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7165 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-13 23:42 <Plugh> IIRC, LSLEditor is in rough shape but it does sort of work most of the time.
2014-05-13 23:42 <dahlia> ya not maintained I believe
2014-05-13 23:43 <lkalif> These days <i use Komodo Edit as my GUI editor
2014-05-13 23:43 <Plugh> I've used it to track down syntax errors in LSL scripts for hard to spot errors since the reported line numbers where errors occur are completely wrong.
2014-05-13 23:43 <dahlia> does that work for LSL?
2014-05-13 23:43 <lkalif> it has nice support for scripting php, python, shell, stuff like that
2014-05-13 23:43 <lkalif> dahlia: I'm not sure
2014-05-13 23:43 <lkalif> I was mostly usinig it for PHP and Python
2014-05-13 23:43 <Plugh> I still use vi(m) as my main editor or gvim if I want a GUI version.
2014-05-13 23:44 <dahlia> I usually use scite for quick and dirty stuff but I dont think it can parse LSL. It does parse a zillion other languages tho
2014-05-13 23:44 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-13 23:44 <H-H-H> ty lkalif i was looking for a small editor with pythoon support
2014-05-13 23:44 <dahlia> my point about LSLEditor is it actually executes the scripts in some internal runtime
2014-05-13 23:44 <Plugh> Now that I have events working I think the next thing I want to work on in OpenSim will be stuff related to the scripting ending.
2014-05-13 23:44 <dahlia> and its written in c#
2014-05-13 23:45 <dahlia> may be something in there worth borrowing
2014-05-13 23:45 <Plugh> Is LSLEditor OpenSource?
2014-05-13 23:45 <Plugh> 
ACTION doesn't remember

2014-05-13 23:45 <nebadon_laptop> ok Plugh
2014-05-13 23:45 <dahlia> Plugh: BSD IIRC
2014-05-13 23:46 <Plugh> dahlia: ok, but are the source files available?
2014-05-13 23:46 <dahlia> last I looked
2014-05-13 23:46 <Plugh> ok. Possible to fix it in that case.
2014-05-13 23:47 <Plugh> ah. It uses that C#(?) thing called Forms.
2014-05-13 23:47 <Plugh> 
ACTION knows nothing about programming with Forms.

2014-05-13 23:48 <lkalif> Radegast was written in winforms
2014-05-13 23:48 <Plugh> hm... it was worked on by Ima Mechanique? I think I've met that person in SL.
2014-05-13 23:48 <lkalif> he's working on the viewer
2014-05-13 23:49 <Plugh> which viewer?
2014-05-13 23:49 <lkalif> he added LSL syntax highlighting to the viewer from region
2014-05-13 23:49 <H-H-H> just out of curiosity did any one ever try ajaxlife 
2014-05-13 23:49 <lkalif> oinden official
2014-05-13 23:49 <lkalif> H-H-H: I have
2014-05-13 23:49 <nebadon_laptop> long time ago I did
2014-05-13 23:49 <Plugh> ah, yes. Ima is on my friends list in SL.
2014-05-13 23:49 <lkalif> that might not be a bad thing for Opensim to implement
2014-05-13 23:49 <H-H-H> i tried to set it up once but failed miserably
2014-05-13 23:50 <dahlia> H-H-H: I remember ajaxlife but I didnt try it because of paranoia about using my password thru third party proxies
2014-05-13 23:50 <lkalif> LSL syntax highlighting CAP
2014-05-13 23:50 <H-H-H> i was just about to suggest that lol maybe a page on the wiki like you have for freenodes webchat
2014-05-13 23:50 <Plugh> I'd love it if 0.8 would report proper line numbers when errors occur in LSL scripts.
2014-05-13 23:51 <nebadon_laptop> its usually only off 1 line right_
2014-05-13 23:51 <nebadon_laptop> _
2014-05-13 23:51 <smxy> How do I make a prim move position, in a script - what function?
2014-05-13 23:51 <dahlia> llSetPos
2014-05-13 23:51 <H-H-H> llSetPos ?
2014-05-13 23:51 <smxy> Thanks (duh). :)
2014-05-13 23:52 <dahlia> lkalif: does komodo edit have a white text on dark background theme available?
2014-05-13 23:53 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: 1 line? Hah! I should be so lucky.
2014-05-13 23:53 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: it is off by dozens and dozens of lines.
2014-05-13 23:53 <nebadon_laptop> hmm
2014-05-13 23:53 <nebadon_laptop> it used to work better than that didnt it_
2014-05-13 23:53 <nebadon_laptop> _
2014-05-13 23:53 <nebadon_laptop> hah my keyboard switched on to swedis again grr
2014-05-13 23:53 <lkalif> dahlia: doesn't appear to
2014-05-13 23:53 <dahlia> :(
2014-05-13 23:54 <nebadon_laptop> was wondering why i have been typoing all day
2014-05-13 23:54 <lkalif> dahlia: linux or windows?
2014-05-13 23:54 <dahlia> windows
2014-05-13 23:54 <Plugh> yea, I think it did at one point. If I understood her properly, Melanie said she had applied changes to make line number reporting work properly on three occasions and each time the changes were removed.
2014-05-13 23:54 <Plugh> No idea who would have done something like that or why.
2014-05-13 23:55 <dahlia> I vaguely remember looking at komodo when I was doing a python project and ended up not using it for some reason
2014-05-13 23:55 <nebadon_laptop> hmm ya I am not sure either
2014-05-13 23:55 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: The error related to how many blank or comment lines are in the LSL script.
2014-05-13 23:55 <Plugh> s/related/relates/
2014-05-13 23:55 <lkalif> dahlia: ah, I was wrong
2014-05-13 23:55 <dahlia> lkalif:  so it can?
2014-05-13 23:56 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: Some testing with the stuff used to build the scripting engine indicates that blank lines and comments are output to the intermediate C# file so it throws off line numbers.
2014-05-13 23:56 <dahlia> 
ACTION downloads....

2014-05-13 23:56 <lkalif> dahlia: http://i.imgur.com/4XeX94V.png
2014-05-13 23:56 <Plugh> ack! s/are output/are NOT output/
2014-05-13 23:56 <nebadon_laptop> hmm interesting
2014-05-13 23:57 <MistySolution> Why does everyone do this s/oldthing/newthing stuff? What's it from?
2014-05-13 23:57 <dahlia> lkalif: ya thats readable, ty
2014-05-13 23:57 <lkalif> dahlia: it has like 10 different dark themes
2014-05-13 23:57 <nebadon_laptop> it should count blank lines and comments though I would think
2014-05-13 23:57 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: I found all the stuff used to build the lexers and parsers used in  the scripting engine.
2014-05-13 23:57 <dahlia> MistySolution: from editing with "vi"
2014-05-13 23:57 <MistySolution> Ah
2014-05-13 23:57 <nebadon_laptop> thats like some crazy old emmacs or vi editor jargon i think
2014-05-13 23:57 <MistySolution> I use nano D:
2014-05-13 23:57 <Plugh> MistySolution: It is used in the vi editor to do search and replace.
2014-05-13 23:57 <nebadon_laptop> ya i use nano or pico now too
2014-05-13 23:57 <nebadon_laptop> vi makes me nutso
2014-05-13 23:57 <MistySolution> Does emacs have similar keybinds to nano?
2014-05-13 23:58 <smxy> llSetPos seems to move it to a specifi point. What if I want to just move it, say 5m to the left?
2014-05-13 23:58 <Plugh> MistySolution: It is also used with the sed (unix) tool.
2014-05-13 23:58 <nebadon_laptop> you do llGetPos
2014-05-13 23:58 <dahlia> smxy: then do the math
2014-05-13 23:58 <lkalif> dahlia: edit -> prefs -> Fomts and Colors http://i.imgur.com/hFF96hA.png
2014-05-13 23:58 <H-H-H> smxy then move it to the specific pont that is 5 meters to the left
2014-05-13 23:58 <nebadon_laptop> and then use the maths
2014-05-13 23:58 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: I spent some time a while ago to look at some of the keyboard shortcuts for vi and picked up a few extra commands I hadn't known existed but which are useful.
2014-05-13 23:58 <djphil> I saw earlier you talk about things ... hehe yes aurora aurora vraiments made ​​some good things ... the script engine is alot faster than in opensim. aurora physic like sl is also very good (except now bulletsim is also very good .. But Aurora has implemented alot of things for a long time and when devloppement Rev is very fast and bug fixes. It makes a work efficiency. Really well done to him
2014-05-13 23:59 <MistySolution> Rev doesn't work on aurora anymore though?
2014-05-13 23:59 <nebadon_laptop> ya we would love to use stuf from Aurora in opensim, but generally its just not possible
2014-05-13 23:59 <Plugh> I'll try contacting Ima and see if I can talk them in to doing any more on LSLEditor.
2014-05-13 23:59 <dahlia> or a lot of work
2014-05-14 00:00 <djphil> now for about a year is not alot now he found a job seems you ... so he has more time for aurora
2014-05-14 00:00 <MistySolution> That's why rev never finished off HG
2014-05-14 00:01 <djphil> Rev don't like HG
2014-05-14 00:01 <dahlia> well we can also watch whitecore and see where it goes
2014-05-14 00:01 <Plugh> WhiteCore is a fork of Aurora?
2014-05-14 00:01 <MistySolution> Rev didn't seem to like a lot of things thinking about it
2014-05-14 00:01 <smxy> Yes. 
2014-05-14 00:01 <djphil> he hates HG, he said code not good, not security
2014-05-14 00:01 <Plugh> right. I knew it had been but forgot that is what it was called.
2014-05-14 00:01 <nebadon_laptop> heh you hit the nail on the head there Mist
2014-05-14 00:02 <djphil> that's why he stopped devloppé of the Compatibility Pack HG
2014-05-14 00:02 <djphil> It's alot better .. IWC Module
2014-05-14 00:02 <MistySolution> He was really nice and helpful though
2014-05-14 00:02 <nebadon_laptop> ya I got along well with him myself
2014-05-14 00:02 <dahlia> I got along with him pretty well
2014-05-14 00:02 <MistySolution> But he really didn't like some stuff opensim did/does/willdo
2014-05-14 00:03 <djphil> heh ... whote core pale copy of Aurora ... nothing better ... just change everywhere "aurora" and put "whitecore" instead hahaha, fantastic ^ ^
2014-05-14 00:03 <djphil> whitecore*
2014-05-14 00:03 <dahlia> MistySolution: I dont either but... it's open source and that happens
2014-05-14 00:04 <nebadon_laptop> ya I don't disagree with Rev, but in the long run its unsustainable trying to do everything yourself too
2014-05-14 00:04 <djphil> remain faithful to aurora This is my opignon :)
2014-05-14 00:04 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: depends on what you do ;)
2014-05-14 00:05 <nebadon_laptop> yea I have no beef with that project really, I just wish it was easier to port some of the stuff over
2014-05-14 00:05 <djphil> yes it does alot of things all alone
2014-05-14 00:06 <djphil> there is probably a reason ...
2014-05-14 00:06 <lkalif> djphil: what's the state of Aurora, has it got many outstanding bugs since rev has gone off to college?
2014-05-14 00:06 <djphil> but sharing!
2014-05-14 00:06 <Plugh> bbl
2014-05-14 00:08 <djphil> it is a state where he rewrote most of the code
2014-05-14 00:08 <djphil> he began ç implement bulletsim but did not finish this, he left just before
2014-05-14 00:08 <djphil> there is some bugs but very minor, little things
2014-05-14 00:08 <djphil> some feature scripts are partially implemented also as pathfindig, llcastray, keyframemotion
2014-05-14 00:08 <djphil> but it is still possible to make user happy and telling
2014-05-14 00:09 <djphil> that for lkalif
2014-05-14 00:09 <lkalif> ok
2014-05-14 00:10 <djphil> Neb but you know, it may be all alone to do things ... but it sometimes moves faster than alot of people at the same time working on the same thing (lol)
2014-05-14 00:10 <nebadon_laptop> ya its not about speed
2014-05-14 00:10 <djphil> the important thing is the result
2014-05-14 00:11 <djphil> if I remember well Neb, it was you who caught my attention at the time aurora sim
2014-05-14 00:11 <nebadon_laptop> for me this is a long term project theoretically opensim will never be finished
2014-05-14 00:11 <nebadon_laptop> ya I was pretty supportive early on, until it became incompatible with opensim
2014-05-14 00:12 <djphil> well I think that is a base opensim e aurora is a derivative to an improved product to the end user
2014-05-14 00:12 <nebadon_laptop> ya and I have no problem with that
2014-05-14 00:12 <nebadon_laptop> what i mean is you could no longer host Aurora on OSgrid
2014-05-14 00:12 <nebadon_laptop> or have mixed grids, or HG
2014-05-14 00:12 <nebadon_laptop> at that point I lost all interest
2014-05-14 00:13 <smxy> No HG is why I stopped using it.
2014-05-14 00:13 <djphil> actually now it has become incompatible with opensim for the most part things
2014-05-14 00:13 <djphil> yes I understand HG ... alot of people do not like it
2014-05-14 00:14 <djphil> alot of people have left it for aurora
2014-05-14 00:15 <nebadon_laptop> I certainly wouldnt discourage anyone from trying it, but for me OpenSim is a better fit
2014-05-14 00:15 <djphil> he argued HG awhile then it stopped completely
2014-05-14 00:15 <djphil> but the module is there ... if someone wants to update :)
2014-05-14 00:15 <nebadon_laptop> well the big problem Aurora has is it does attachment positions completely different
2014-05-14 00:15 <nebadon_laptop> so HG is nearly impossible
2014-05-14 00:16 <nebadon_laptop> order and offsets are calculated very differently
2014-05-14 00:16 <nebadon_laptop> atleast HG to OpenSim and vice versa
2014-05-14 00:16 <AliciaRaven> even aurora oar files dont load to opensim, i had to fudge a code fix when i converted
2014-05-14 00:16 <nebadon_laptop> It will likely never happen
2014-05-14 00:16 <djphil> but beware if you like HG this is because there are alot more people currently on Opensim
2014-05-14 00:16 <djphil> but imagine if there were alot of people on aurora ... you like IWC and you want to have  IWC also on opensim
2014-05-14 00:18 <djphil> normally attachments aurora reflects attachment in SL.
2014-05-14 00:18 <djphil> Rev has always said he wants things like as possible to SL
2014-05-14 00:19 <nebadon_laptop> ya while that is important here as well, being Second Life compatible is kind of just a bonus
2014-05-14 00:19 <nebadon_laptop> opensims scope is much wider than replicating SL
2014-05-14 00:20 <djphil> whatever silk opensim has also made huge improvement over the last 2 years and has really gained stability. Rev is gone and when I went back to see opensim, I was pleasantly surprised by this
2014-05-14 00:20 <Melanie_T> Plugh: On several occasions, I introduced a feature i called "friendly errors"
2014-05-14 00:20 <Melanie_T> it makes the preprocessor generate a line map that becomes part of the script
2014-05-14 00:21 <Melanie_T> friendly errors would eat the exceptions, trasnlate the line numbers and give a one line error message as SL does
2014-05-14 00:22 <Melanie_T> the problem _seems_ to be, although I never did find out who broke friendly errors, that someone wasn't happy with no longer seeing exception traces.
2014-05-14 00:22 <Melanie_T> they are horribly un-userfriendly, but much loved among developers
2014-05-14 00:22 <Melanie_T> so i put the ffeature back a couple of times only to see it either broken or removed again while i wasn't looking
2014-05-14 00:22 <Melanie_T> so i washed my hands of it
2014-05-14 00:22 <Melanie_T> the preprocessor and line map still exist
2014-05-14 00:22 <Melanie_T> so it shoud be possible to revive
2014-05-14 00:24 <AliciaRaven> Melanie_T are line maps used atall now?
2014-05-14 00:24 <Melanie_T> i don't know, i haven't perused that part of the code in ages
2014-05-14 00:24 <Melanie_T> i know they are generated
2014-05-14 00:25 <AliciaRaven> i get errors from the on windows constantly but never on linux
2014-05-14 00:25 <AliciaRaven> doesnt seem to stop the script working, just lots of nasty red on the console
2014-05-14 00:30 <smxy> I am having a lot of trouble editing a script in an object. I keep getting a popup telling me it can't upload the [UUID].lsltext file because the server is experienceing unexpected difficulties, yet nothing is logged to tell me what's wrong.
2014-05-14 00:32 <AliciaRaven> what viewer is that with?
2014-05-14 00:32 <smxy> Latest Firestorm.
2014-05-14 00:32 <smxy> 4.6.5
2014-05-14 00:33 <AliciaRaven> have u tried a dif viewer? i havnt updated firestorm yet
2014-05-14 00:33 <smxy> No, but I shall.
2014-05-14 00:33 <AliciaRaven> when i do ill let u know if i get the same error
2014-05-14 00:34 <djphil> last FS work fine Alicia, i have update it yesterday
2014-05-14 00:34 <smxy> Yes, it's not all scripts in objects. Just this script in this object.
2014-05-14 00:35 <djphil> but it still does not display clouds from opensim cloud module : (((
2014-05-14 00:36 <AliciaRaven> id try copy the text from the script, create a new script and add it again, maybe even copy the prim, maybe something is corrupted
2014-05-14 00:36 <AliciaRaven> djphil is that the old style clouds? i think there is an option to enable them
2014-05-14 00:37 <djphil> there is an option for clouds opensim but this is not the clouds cloud module This is normal clouds ...
2014-05-14 00:37 <djphil> so I could be wrong but I do not think
2014-05-14 00:38 <djphil> it allows for example to choose the texture of cloud.
2014-05-14 00:39 <djphil> 4 choice for textures clouds
2014-05-14 00:40 <djphil> pref/firestorm/windlight
2014-05-14 00:41 <djphil> may be it is possible to activate cloud opensim module with debug mode fs ... but I do not know
2014-05-14 00:41 <AliciaRaven> i havnt tried that
2014-05-14 00:42 <smxy> I made a new prim, put a new script in it, then tried to edit it, same problem. :(
2014-05-14 00:42 <djphil> I do mantis firestorm in there a while and they said they had taken it
2014-05-14 01:00 <smxy> Restarting the region seems to have made it happy.
2014-05-14 01:04 <osmantis> Bug #7169:04 [BulletSim] Mesh vehicle altitude (driven into the ground or levitation) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7169 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2014-05-14 01:23 <djphil> Someone here has already tested Moze In a Box?
2014-05-14 01:24 <djphil> http://militarymetaverse.org/
2014-05-14 01:25 <djphil> we can assume that they have done good things for the engine physic their version of OpenSim
2014-05-14 01:25 <djphil> https://github.com/M-O-S-E-S
2014-05-14 01:26 <djphil> They also continued to devloppement simiangrid ...
2014-05-14 01:26 <djphil> No one has tried this?
2014-05-14 01:27 <Plugh> In C you can use #line directives when doing pre-parsing stuff. Does C# support something similar?
2014-05-14 01:29 <Plugh> Ah, it does.
2014-05-14 02:24 <lkalif> Someone uploaded 10 hour elevator music to Youtube lol
2014-05-14 02:24 <lkalif> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlTCMp6gWZ8
2014-05-14 02:27 <AliciaRaven> beats counting sheep lkalif lol
2014-05-14 02:27 <AliciaRaven> i get insomnia, i might save that link
2014-05-14 02:32 <lkalif> I was watching some stuff and that was one of related videos lol
2014-05-14 02:32 <lkalif> and it has 50k views almost lol
2014-05-14 02:32 <AliciaRaven> the sequel is probably a 2 hour video of paint drying
2014-05-14 02:36 <lkalif> AliciaRaven: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVZr3WbMQ6w
2014-05-14 02:36 <AliciaRaven> omg youtube has everything
2014-05-14 02:37 <AliciaRaven> thats bad lol
2014-05-14 02:37 <lkalif> I know, right
2014-05-14 02:37 <lkalif> lol
2014-05-14 02:37 <AliciaRaven> 119 people like it, only 8 dont like it
2014-05-14 02:38 <AliciaRaven> lol
2014-05-14 02:38 <lkalif> and 30k views
2014-05-14 02:38 <AliciaRaven> still better than watching 4music channel here in the uk
2014-05-14 02:38 <lkalif> hehe
2014-05-14 02:40 <Melanie_T> AliciaRavennever seen that? is that on cable or sat?
2014-05-14 02:40 <AliciaRaven> 4music?
2014-05-14 02:40 <Melanie_T> yup
2014-05-14 02:41 <AliciaRaven> its on freeview, cable and sat, only in uk i think
2014-05-14 02:41 <AliciaRaven> its very "pop" music, too teenie pop for me lol
2014-05-14 02:42 <Melanie_T> right now it's got teleshopping on
2014-05-14 02:43 <AliciaRaven> u in america?
2014-05-14 02:43 <Melanie_T> nope
2014-05-14 02:43 <Melanie_T> uk
2014-05-14 02:43 <AliciaRaven> ah
2014-05-14 02:43 <Melanie_T> (using a german proxy for privacy reasons)
2014-05-14 02:44 <AliciaRaven> so ur up late then like me? hehe
2014-05-14 02:44 <Melanie_T> yup
2014-05-14 02:44 <Melanie_T> but nearly 4 am is plenty late
2014-05-14 02:44 <Melanie_T> was going to go to bed in a sec
2014-05-14 02:45 <AliciaRaven> im waiting for most haunted at 4, doing a long long day
2014-05-14 02:45 <lkalif> pfft it's almost 5 here ;)
2014-05-14 02:46 <AliciaRaven> room of night owls, its the coffee, programers + coffee = productivity / insomnia
2014-05-14 02:47 <lkalif> midnight - first light is the best coding time. eveybody knows that
2014-05-14 02:48 <AliciaRaven> yep
2014-05-14 04:50 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-14 04:59 <osmantis> Bug #7170:04 Every so often you get teleported to the wrong coordinates when teleporting between regions. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7170 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-14 06:18 <osmantis> Bug #7045:04 Cached bakes system throwing error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7045 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-14 10:16 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-14 12:39 <osmantis> Bug #7164:04 Bullet physics has trouble with shallow stairs (even basic prim ones) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7164 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-14 12:46 <osmantis> Bug #7167:04 [BulletSim] : llSetKeyframedMotion no 100% working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7167 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-14 13:02 <osmantis> Bug #7167:04 [BulletSim] : llSetKeyframedMotion no 100% working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7167 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-05-14 13:13 <Aleric> Hmm, this is so weird, I suspect it's a bug in opensim LSL...
2014-05-14 13:13 <Aleric> 
ACTION goes check it in SL.

2014-05-14 15:11 <Aleric> Oh... grrr. opensim lets me write UTF8 characters to a prim description, but in SL they are replaced with a '?' (0x3f)
2014-05-14 15:13 <Aleric> Well... maybe not all. But a control character is (below the space)
2014-05-14 15:18 <Aleric> '|' is also replaced with '?' in SL (and not in opensim)
2014-05-14 16:34 <osmantis> Bug #7164:04 Bullet physics has trouble with shallow stairs (even basic prim ones) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7164 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-14 17:46 <osmantis> Bug #7039:04 [VAR] Objects using llSay & whisper have no limits on distance 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7039 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-05-14 17:49 <osmantis> Bug #7163:04 Chat Issues: 1) Chat across region borders 2) Script chat always hearable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7163 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-05-14 17:58 <osmantis> Bug #7113:04 llGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7113 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-05-14 18:23 <justincc> smxy: ping
2014-05-14 18:24 <osmantis> Bug #6091:04 When uploading .raw file (terrain) getting a error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6091 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-14 18:24 <smxy> justincc: pong
2014-05-14 18:25 <justincc> are you going to Mantis the BulletSim crashing NullReferenceException you saw?  That's a pretty important problem.
2014-05-14 18:25 <smxy> Huh. Thought I did. I will, sure.
2014-05-14 18:25 <justincc> thanks
2014-05-14 18:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #3565 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-14 18:26 <smxy> 16 more TPs and I'll hit 2000 under ODE, then I switch to BS and try to do another 2K.
2014-05-14 18:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3565: SUCCESS in 7 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3565/
2014-05-14 18:30 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Clean up and make consistent some log file messages in EstateManagementModule relating to RAW file uploading.
2014-05-14 18:31 <osmantis> Bug #7171:04 BulletSim crashed the simulator. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7171 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-14 18:32 <justincc> smxy: are you sure that's the right pastebin?  It doesn't look like the one with the null reference in it that you showed me yesterday
2014-05-14 18:32 <smxy> I just noticed that myself. Just a sec.
2014-05-14 18:33 <osmantis> Bug #7171:04 BulletSim crashed the simulator. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7171 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-05-14 18:33 <smxy> There we go.
2014-05-14 18:36 <osmantis> Bug #7171:04 BulletSim crashed the simulator. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7171 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-14 18:39 <justincc> ok, need to make misterblue aware of that when he is next around
2014-05-14 18:40 <smxy> When I see him, I'll point it out, in case he hasn't seen it.
2014-05-14 18:42 <osmantis> Bug #7045:04 Cached bakes system throwing error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7045 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-14 18:57 <osmantis> Bug #7148:04 Scripts not Running after Teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7148 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-14 18:58 <osmantis> Bug #7148:04 Scripts not Running after Teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7148 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-14 19:02 <lillith_xue> Thank you justincc im going to test that on my grid and post the results to the Mantis ;-)
2014-05-14 19:07 <justincc> thanks lillith_xue
2014-05-14 19:12 <lillith_xue> ok i got one Problem, "scripts show" actually shows nothing to me, not with the "Item UUID" nor with the "Asset UUID". 
2014-05-14 19:13 <justincc> what does the show part/object get you?
2014-05-14 19:14 <lillith_xue> a lot, hmm let me paste it into a pastebin
2014-05-14 19:15 <lillith_xue> there: http://pastebin.com/CwiNq7Jn
2014-05-14 19:15 <lillith_xue> Running = n/a O.o
2014-05-14 19:16 <justincc> that means the script instance hasn't even been loaded into the script engine
2014-05-14 19:17 <lillith_xue> well no reset or recompile helps, the really only thing that helps is reattaching
2014-05-14 19:18 <justincc> but sometimes they do get loaded, right?
2014-05-14 19:18 <lillith_xue> but its openable so i can see the content, so seems not to be a loading-problem
2014-05-14 19:18 <lillith_xue> yes, rarely it works directly
2014-05-14 19:18 <justincc> there's a difference between retrieving the lsl script text and actually inserting it into the script engine
2014-05-14 19:18 <lillith_xue> also on login it loads
2014-05-14 19:19 <justincc> something is going wrong when the avatar enters the new region.  The scripts should be restarted but clearly sometimes/often they are not.  Some kind of race
2014-05-14 19:19 <lillith_xue> another thing is if i open the script, the running and mono checkboxes are grey, normaly they aren't
2014-05-14 19:20 <justincc> I'll see if i can take a look soon, at least this narrows it down a bit
2014-05-14 19:20 <lillith_xue> i was not able to reproduce this on a local standalone, so maybe its related to grid-stuff, also often happens on osgrid, so you may be able to test it there too
2014-05-14 19:21 <justincc> I would guess it could be some issue involved with the extra delay in teleporting between simulators
2014-05-14 19:21 <justincc> yeah, that narrows it down further if it doesn't happen on same simulator teleports between regions
2014-05-14 19:22 <lillith_xue> im sorry, but i need to go for today, i will be here again tomorrow and do any test that is needed ;-) SHould i add my paste to the Mantis?
2014-05-14 19:22 <justincc> yes please
2014-05-14 19:25 <osmantis> Bug #7148:04 Scripts not Running after Teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7148 ): Eine Notiz wurde zu diesem Eintrag hinzugefügt.
2014-05-14 19:26 <lillith_xue> there it goes ;-) good day/night then
2014-05-14 19:26 <justincc> goodnight
2014-05-14 19:26 <smxy> There is definitely something screwy with collisions in BS. After only a half dozen or so circuits, I seem to have gotten a collision_end when I expected a collision_start, so I wasn't teleported. Tried the gate again and now the circuits are continuing on from there ... Wwill watch for other oddities.
2014-05-14 19:38 <osmantis> Bug #7139:04 Groups V2 doesn't show groups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7139 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007151.
2014-05-14 19:38 <osmantis> Bug #7151:04 Groups V2  does not show my groups in Firestorm using release 0.7.6.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7151 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007139.
2014-05-14 19:42 <osmantis> Bug #7151:04 Groups V2  does not show my groups in Firestorm using release 0.7.6.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7151 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-14 20:01 <osmantis> Bug #7172:04 ScenePresence IsDeleted is not updated when avatar leaves 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7172 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-14 20:06 <osmantis> Bug #7172:04 ScenePresence IsDeleted is not updated when avatar leaves 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7172 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-14 20:26 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-14 20:31 <smxy> I don't think 7037 should be resolved yet as the fix is only half-implemented. It still needs to be applied to V2 I believe.
2014-05-14 20:32 <smxy> The problem was for both, so it should be resolved when both are fixed.
2014-05-14 20:33 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): has been REOPENED.
2014-05-14 20:33 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-05-14 20:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #3566 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-14 21:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3566: SUCCESS in 3 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3566/
2014-05-14 21:01 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Remove a race where the client's SP.CompleteMovement() thread could attempt to restart attachment scripts before the source simulator's SP.UpdateAgent() thread had added them.
2014-05-14 21:09 <Melanie_T> justincc: Does that last commit affect only multi-region sims?
2014-05-14 21:10 <justincc> it potentially affects any teleport, but probably more likely between simulators
2014-05-14 21:10 <Melanie_T> i was asking because it makes more sense to happen in multiregion
2014-05-14 21:10 <Melanie_T> but i've seen it between regions
2014-05-14 21:10 <justincc> you mean multi region as in multi simulators?
2014-05-14 21:11 <Melanie_T> it causes error messages about scripts not foind and the attachment will not work, correct?
2014-05-14 21:11 <justincc> yes
2014-05-14 21:11 <Melanie_T> found*
2014-05-14 21:11 <Melanie_T> yes, same thing then
2014-05-14 21:11 <justincc> well, actually in this case it's that attachmetns aren't found at the right place so scripts aren't restarted
2014-05-14 21:11 <Melanie_T> so the yes, it does happen even on teleports between hosts
2014-05-14 21:11 <Melanie_T> or did anyway
2014-05-14 21:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #3567 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-14 21:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3567: SUCCESS in 3 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3567/
2014-05-14 21:16 <osjenkins> jjustincc: On ScenePresence.MakeChildAgent(), reset the m_originRegionID as this is currently being used as a flag to orchestrate destination simulator threads on teleport.
2014-05-14 21:23 <osmantis> Bug #7148:04 Scripts not Running after Teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7148 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-14 21:29 <osmantis> Bug #7172:04 ScenePresence IsDeleted is not updated when avatar leaves 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7172 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-14 21:29 <osmantis> Bug #7172:04 ScenePresence IsDeleted is not updated when avatar leaves 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7172 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-14 22:54 <osmantis> Bug #7172:04 ScenePresence IsDeleted is not updated when avatar leaves 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7172 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2014-05-15 04:11 <osmantis> Bug #7173:04 Dialog Issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7173 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-15 10:13 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar forever on login on OSGrid add-on regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-15 10:53 <osmantis> Bug #7174:04 [HYPERGRID LINKER] hop:// handling could be improved - Cannot hyperlink to regions on the same grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7174 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-15 11:14 <osmantis> Bug #7173:04 Dialog Issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7173 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-15 11:17 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar forever on login on OSGrid add-on regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-15 16:52 <lillith_xue> I Updated my Grid, and did a lot of testing. i confirm that 7148 is Fixed ;-) Thank you justincc ;-)
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2014-05-15 21:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #3568 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-15 21:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3568: SUCCESS in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3568/
2014-05-15 21:14 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Escape find string in MySQL core groups plugin
2014-05-15 21:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #3569 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-15 21:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3569: SUCCESS in 3 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3569/
2014-05-15 21:49 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Escape find string in PgSQL core groups plugin
2014-05-15 21:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #3570 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-15 21:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3570: SUCCESS in 3 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3570/
2014-05-15 21:53 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Don't warn on not seeing [Groups] Robust section for core groups as this does not contain any mandatory parameters and won't be present on older installations.
2014-05-15 21:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #3571 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-15 21:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3571: SUCCESS in 3 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3571/
2014-05-15 21:57 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: eliminate now unnecessary string.Format in postgresql RetrieveGroups method
2014-05-15 22:12 <smxy> clear
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2014-05-16 01:24 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-16 01:24 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2014-05-16 01:26 <djphil> Small question: llGetVel () placed in a HUD does not work when my avatar is on a vehicle. bug or normal behavior?
2014-05-16 02:58 <dahlia> djphil: if it works differently than in SL then probably a large proportion of users would consider it a bug
2014-05-16 02:59 <dahlia> but you could probably get the velocity of the vehicle with llObjectDetails
2014-05-16 03:00 <dahlia> errr... llGetObjectDetails
2014-05-16 13:56 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-16 14:00 <osmantis> Bug #7175:04 [SCRIPT] llGetVel() don't work with HUD + Vehicle 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7175 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2014-05-16 14:09 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-05-16 14:16 <osmantis> Bug #7176:04 Sit camera not working correctly when prim the camera settings applied to is not root 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7176 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-16 14:46 <osmantis> Bug #7173:04 Dialog Issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7173 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-16 16:22 <osmantis> Bug #7175:04 [SCRIPT] llGetVel() don't work with HUD + Vehicle 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7175 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-05-16 16:42 <osmantis> Bug #7177:04 [SCRIPT] llGetObjectDetails() don't work with HUD 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7177 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2014-05-16 16:43 <osmantis> Bug #7177:04 [SCRIPT] llGetObjectDetails() don't work with HUD 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7177 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-05-16 16:44 <osmantis> Bug #7175:04 [SCRIPT] llGetVel() don't work with HUD + Vehicle 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7175 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-05-16 18:14 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-16 18:37 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-05-17 10:33 <osmantis> Bug #7151:04 Groups V2  does not show my groups in Firestorm using release 0.7.6.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7151 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-17 11:18 <velus> hey up all
2014-05-17 12:04 <osmantis> Bug #7178:04 Adding a client authentication 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7178 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-17 14:23 <Misterblue> there seems to be problems with mesh avatars... where can I get me one of these?
2014-05-17 14:40 <zadark> Misterblue I used http://secondlife.mitsi.com/Secondlife/Posts/Avatars/Gerrymander/ to create a test avatar, I am no expert so not sure if suitable.
2014-05-17 14:41 <Misterblue> that's a start... thanks
2014-05-17 15:05 <osmantis> Bug #7179:04 Regionposition of Avatar who sits on a childprim in a linkset is wrong 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7179 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-17 15:10 <osmantis> Bug #7180:04 llUnSit doesn't work on ODE, if there is no llSitTarget 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7180 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-17 15:13 <osmantis> Bug #7164:04 Bullet physics has trouble with shallow stairs (even basic prim ones) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7164 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-05-17 16:12 <keygruin> Misterblue: I have a couple mesh shapes I made with Makehuman
2014-05-17 16:12 <keygruin> http://i.imgur.com/AJgBUyM.png
2014-05-17 16:13 <keygruin> you can grab them at osgrid's Recreation Plaza near the landing zone
2014-05-17 16:14 <keygruin> they are floating quite high over the terrain even though the z-offset is 0 in the mesh upload 
2014-05-17 16:17 <keygruin> http://i.imgur.com/AJgBUyM.png
2014-05-17 16:17 <keygruin> oops
2014-05-17 16:17 <keygruin> http://i.imgur.com/uSYqo0G.png
2014-05-17 19:27 <NickyP> keygruin_: most all of those require a negative offset. Use can use a cube as a ruler to determine how much and then take the z pos of the cube *-1 and reimport the mesh. with that offset.
2014-05-17 19:36 <NickyP> the z dimension of the cube 
2014-05-17 19:47 <keygruin_> ahh ty NickyP 
2014-05-17 19:47 <keygruin_> seems like it's something new though, I hadn't noticed it before
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2014-05-18 01:32 <diva> Melanie_T is there a reason we need the asset when doing copy and paste of inventory items? We're fetching the asset currently, but just to change its name. Which is weird, since the newName is supposed to be the newName of the item.
2014-05-18 03:13 <osmantis> Bug #7164:04 Bullet physics has trouble with shallow stairs (even basic prim ones) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7164 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-18 03:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #3572 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-18 03:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3572: SUCCESS in 7 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3572/
2014-05-18 03:21 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: adjust avatar step up parameters to better walk up small
2014-05-18 04:35 <smxy> 
ACTION waves at lillith_xue :)

2014-05-18 09:52 <osmantis> Bug #7163:04 Chat Issues: 1) Chat across region borders 2) Script chat always hearable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7163 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-18 11:01 <osmantis> Bug #7164:04 Bullet physics has trouble with shallow stairs (even basic prim ones) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7164 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-18 14:48 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-18 14:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #3573 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-18 14:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3573: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3573/
2014-05-18 14:53 <osjenkins> diva: Don't fetch assets from the server when doing simple inventory operations like copy-paste items in inventory.
2014-05-18 18:28 <Melanie_T> diva: Assets have no name, only inventory items do
2014-05-18 18:28 <Melanie_T> "changing" an asset means creating a new one and i'm sure we're not so dumb to do that
2014-05-18 18:31 <diva> yeah, I changed it so that it doesn't fetch assets. It was silly
2014-05-18 18:32 <Melanie_T> the name on assets reflects only the name an asset was initially uploaded with
2014-05-18 18:33 <Melanie_T> it's useless
2014-05-18 21:16 <osmantis> Bug #7163:04 Chat Issues: 1) Chat across region borders 2) Script chat always hearable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7163 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-19 06:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #3574 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-19 06:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3574: SUCCESS in 8 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3574/
2014-05-19 06:10 <osjenkins> diva: Don't trigger ItemUploaded when no item has been uploaded.
2014-05-19 10:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #3575 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-19 10:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3575: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3575/
2014-05-19 10:32 <osjenkins> * orenh: When can't rez, show only one error message; not two. And show more specific error messages.
2014-05-19 10:32 <osjenkins> * orenh: Better error-handling and logging in case User Profile requests fail
2014-05-19 10:32 <osjenkins> * orenh: Return more specific error messages if an attempt to enter a region fails due to permissions (in QueryAccess and IsAuthorizedForRegion)
2014-05-19 10:32 <osjenkins> * orenh: Log the user when an inventory operation is blocked because the item/folder isn't in the Suitcase
2014-05-19 10:32 <osjenkins> * orenh: Tell QueryAccess explicitly whether the user is coming in via Teleport or Cross, because the permission checks are different.
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2014-05-19 14:54 <frnic> Thank you orenh.
2014-05-19 15:35 <smxy> I wish someone could explain to me how to get "My Suitcase" properly created with all the right sub-folders, etc.. Just making them doesn't work, as they aren't seen as "special" folders. I can't delete the directory and have the system recreate it. The only way I know, so far, is to manually edit the database, which is a PITA. I have numerous older avatars with this issue, and their 
2014-05-19 15:35 <smxy> suitcases don't work correctly because they aren't correctly made. All my newer avatars are fine. I used one of them as a guide to fixing one older avatar and now that one's fine, but I'd hate to do that for each one.
2014-05-19 15:36 <orenh> you do need to create the suitcase, but then the question is WHEN the grid recreates it
2014-05-19 15:36 <orenh> in the current version of 0.8.0, it's recreated when you login to your grid
2014-05-19 15:36 <smxy> Nope
2014-05-19 15:37 <orenh> in older versions, it's recreated when you HG teleport to another grid, and then try to Take an object
2014-05-19 15:37 <smxy> It's empty. I login often. Stays empty.
2014-05-19 15:37 <orenh> to make things more interesting, you might not see the new Suitcase immediately; you might have to restart the viewer
2014-05-19 15:37 <smxy> tried that; clearing the cache too.
2014-05-19 15:37 <smxy> It's very frustrating, LOL. :)
2014-05-19 15:38 <orenh> maybe your grid isn't setup to use the suitcase? does your Robust log show that you're using the suitcase service?
2014-05-19 15:38 <smxy> But if I go to another grid and try to make a landmark, for example, that fails, because my suitcse isn't set up right.
2014-05-19 15:39 <smxy> All my newer avatars can use their Suitcases just fine. So I'd bet it's configured correctly.
2014-05-19 15:40 <smxy> 2014-05-13 19:35:27,563 DEBUG - OpenSim.Services.HypergridService.HGSuitcaseInventoryService [HG SUITCASE INVENTORY SERVICE]: Starting with config name HGInventoryService
2014-05-19 15:40 <smxy> 2014-05-13 19:35:27,580 DEBUG - OpenSim.Services.HypergridService.HGSuitcaseInventoryService [HG SUITCASE INVENTORY SERVICE]: Starting...
2014-05-19 15:42 <smxy> I'll update my grid later today, make sure my suitcase is empty, will blast my cache and then try logging in to create it and going someplace to get something. Maybe I missed a permutation.
2014-05-19 15:44 <nebadon> wouldnt it be easier to just make oars
2014-05-19 15:44 <nebadon> rename the broken avatars, create new ones and re-import iars?
2014-05-19 15:44 <nebadon> oars=iars
2014-05-19 15:44 <nebadon> thats what I would have done
2014-05-19 15:45 <nebadon> i usually rename my broken avatars last name
2014-05-19 15:45 <nebadon> to like "Nebadon Izumi_Broken1"
2014-05-19 15:45 <nebadon> etc..
2014-05-19 15:45 <nebadon> then i can always relog back into that one later if something was missing or whatev
2014-05-19 15:46 <nebadon> trying to fiddle with inventory database is pandoras box
2014-05-19 15:46 <orenh> smxy in Robust.HG.ini
2014-05-19 15:46 <orenh> Section [HGInventoryService]
2014-05-19 15:46 <orenh> Should have:
2014-05-19 15:46 <orenh> LocalServiceModule = "OpenSim.Services.HypergridService.dll:HGSuitcaseInventoryService"
2014-05-19 15:46 <orenh> does it?
2014-05-19 15:47 <smxy> Let me look
2014-05-19 15:47 <orenh> oops, wait
2014-05-19 15:47 <orenh> that's wrong
2014-05-19 15:47 <orenh> hold on
2014-05-19 15:47 <smxy> ok
2014-05-19 15:47 <orenh> in section [LoginService]...
2014-05-19 15:48 <smxy> I'll be thrilled if I did something wrong. At least it would be fixed.
2014-05-19 15:48 <orenh> Should have this:
2014-05-19 15:48 <orenh>     ; This inventory service will be used to initialize the user's inventory
2014-05-19 15:48 <orenh>     HGInventoryServicePlugin = "OpenSim.Services.HypergridService.dll:HGSuitcaseInventoryService"
2014-05-19 15:48 <orenh>     HGInventoryServiceConstructorArg = "HGInventoryService"
2014-05-19 15:48 <smxy> It does.
2014-05-19 15:49 <orenh> well, when a user logs-in, do you see this in Robust.log 
2014-05-19 15:49 <orenh> "[HG SUITCASE INVENTORY SERVICE]: GetRootFolder for xxxxxxx"
2014-05-19 15:50 <smxy> ... looking
2014-05-19 15:50 <smxy> Yes, I see entries like that for my problem avatars
2014-05-19 15:52 <orenh> ok, next, do these avatars have any folder under root whose type is 100?
2014-05-19 15:52 <orenh> if so, then that folder is the Suitcase
2014-05-19 15:52 <smxy> Is this something you've been fixing recently? I haven't tzken one of these avatars anywhere to get anything in a while, since it was broken. Perhaps I just need to try again.
2014-05-19 15:52 <orenh> I did make some changes to the Suitcase in the past few weeks
2014-05-19 15:53 <orenh> But other people haven't had problems, so I'm wondering what the trouble is
2014-05-19 15:53 <smxy> PEBKAC, most likely.
2014-05-19 15:54 <smxy> Though not sure exactly how.
2014-05-19 15:57 <smxy> Work needs me. I'll retry the methods yu gave for recreating the folders and will check the folder types as soon as I get a chance. Thanks, oren.
2014-05-19 15:58 <orenh> yw
2014-05-19 16:46 <MistySolution> Does anyone know if missing libopenjpeg with stop opensim from having certain features?
2014-05-19 17:36 <zadark> MistySolution:  Textured maptile renderer requires openjpeg
2014-05-19 17:51 <MistySolution> zadark: Nothing else that's too important?
2014-05-19 17:58 <zadark> MistySolution: To my knowlege, no.
2014-05-19 17:58 <AliciaRaven> MistySolution, openjpg is also used by the physics engine
2014-05-19 17:58 <AliciaRaven> to decode sculpt maps
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2014-05-19 21:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #3576 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-19 21:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3576: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3576/
2014-05-19 21:19 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix recent regression from 77e7bbc where an attachment on a received group notice with XmlRpcGroups messaging did not appear in the user's inventory.
2014-05-19 21:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #3577 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-19 21:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3577: SUCCESS in 3 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3577/
2014-05-19 21:53 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Split verbose groups messaging logging into its own setting separate from that of the groups module.
2014-05-19 22:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #3578 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-19 22:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3578: SUCCESS in 3 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3578/
2014-05-19 22:04 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add DebugMessagingEnabled = false to OpenSim.ini.example for consistency.  Slightly simplify config comments.
2014-05-19 22:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #3579 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-19 22:06 <osmantis> Bug #7180:04 llUnSit doesn't work on ODE, if there is no llSitTarget 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7180 ): requires your FEEDBACK.
2014-05-19 22:07 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-19 22:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3579: SUCCESS in 3 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3579/
2014-05-19 22:08 <osjenkins> jjustincc: On verbose groups messaging logging, count all operations in reported time when sending group messages, not just those after get group members and get presence status, as applicable
2014-05-19 22:25 <osmantis> Bug #7181:04 BulletSPlugin : The requested operation caused a stack overflow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7181 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-19 23:09 <osmantis> Bug #7181:04 BulletSPlugin : The requested operation caused a stack overflow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7181 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-20 03:27 <osmantis> Bug #7182:04 Updating an old My Suitcase to current, requires manual DB surgery. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7182 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-20 11:27 <osmantis> Bug #6789:04 BulletSim: Consuming vast amounts of CPU 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-20 13:30 <Tactical> Is there any way that I can purge my un-used regions from the grid or do I need to submit a ticket?  It has been up for over 3 weeks and i accidentally deleted the server so I can't even access it.  I'd like to delete them and make them again.
2014-05-20 13:39 <smxy> Misterblue: You might want to look at #7171, if you haven't already.
2014-05-20 13:40 <Misterblue> justincc is usually right about these things
2014-05-20 13:44 <Wolkenreiter> Hi, maybe someone in here can answer my question: Is there a way to restrict script creation to only certain users?
2014-05-20 13:50 <osmantis> Bug #7171:04 BulletSim crashed the simulator. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7171 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-20 13:50 <osmantis> Bug #7171:04 BulletSim crashed the simulator. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7171 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-05-20 13:55 <smxy> Misterblue: Justin had asked me to point that one out to you, saying it was an important one for you to see.
2014-05-20 14:00 <Misterblue> the fix is straight forward but I can't test at the moment as I'm debugging why mega-regions are so borked
2014-05-20 14:01 <Misterblue> (people still use those things)
2014-05-20 14:05 <vegaslon> 
ACTION knows they are using mega regions becouse they do not want to create new vehicle scripts, since bulletsim vehicle scripts are too advanced for them to understand

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2014-05-20 18:13 <osmantis> Bug #7171:04 BulletSim crashed the simulator. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7171 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-20 18:20 <osmantis> Bug #7181:04 BulletSPlugin : The requested operation caused a stack overflow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7181 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-05-20 19:21 <osmantis> Bug #7180:04 llUnSit doesn't work on ODE, if there is no llSitTarget 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7180 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-20 19:41 <osmantis> Bug #7163:04 Chat Issues: 1) Chat across region borders 2) Script chat always hearable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7163 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-20 20:16 <osmantis> Bug #7180:04 llUnSit doesn't work on ODE, if there is no llSitTarget 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7180 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-20 20:21 <osmantis> Bug #7163:04 Chat Issues: 1) Chat across region borders 2) Script chat always hearable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7163 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-20 20:32 <lkalif> Unity seems to be making their own .net environmen. IL2CPP converts code to c++ and then compiles it, interesting stuff: http://blogs.unity3d.com/2014/05/20/the-future-of-scripting-in-unity/
2014-05-20 21:19 <osmantis> Bug #7163:04 Chat Issues: 1) Chat across region borders 2) Script chat always hearable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7163 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-20 21:21 <osmantis> Bug #7163:04 Chat Issues: 1) Chat across region borders 2) Script chat always hearable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7163 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-20 21:21 <justincc> hey danbanner
2014-05-20 21:21 <danbanner> hey justin
2014-05-20 21:21 <justincc> the chat problem still going on between sandbox plaza 1 and 2?
2014-05-20 21:21 <danbanner> i'd have to look
2014-05-20 21:21 <justincc> what size regions are they?
2014-05-20 21:22 <danbanner> 1 & 2 are normal 256's
2014-05-20 21:22 <danbanner> 3 is a 768 var
2014-05-20 21:22 <justincc> but you said previously this was a problem observed just between the normal regions,.....
2014-05-20 21:22 <justincc> though the presence of a var region would still be interesting
2014-05-20 21:22 <danbanner> ya its really noticable in the var
2014-05-20 21:22 <justincc> but also in the normals?
2014-05-20 21:23 <danbanner> but ya theres some issues between all regions
2014-05-20 21:23 <justincc> where are 1, 2 and 3 in relation to each other?
2014-05-20 21:23 <justincc> ah, maybe I should just go look myself
2014-05-20 21:23 <danbanner> been awhile since i looked tho
2014-05-20 21:23 <justincc> ok
2014-05-20 21:23 <danbanner> 1 & 2 are neighbors
2014-05-20 21:23 <danbanner> 3 is one region away across open ocean
2014-05-20 21:24 <justincc> but if you are in 3 you can sometmes hear chat from 1 or 2?
2014-05-20 21:24 <danbanner> but you can see & hear both 1 & 2 from 3
2014-05-20 21:24 <justincc> all the time?
2014-05-20 21:24 <danbanner> ya
2014-05-20 21:24 <justincc> ok
2014-05-20 21:24 <justincc> Misterblue: still around?
2014-05-20 21:25 <danbanner> if you want to look i can meet you over there
2014-05-20 21:25 <justincc> yeah, would be good to experience it for myself
2014-05-20 21:25 <justincc> I'll log in
2014-05-20 21:26 <justincc> ok, I'm on sandbox plaza now
2014-05-20 21:27 <osmantis> Bug #7163:04 Chat Issues: 1) Chat across region borders 2) Script chat always hearable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7163 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-20 21:28 <osmantis> Bug #7180:04 llUnSit doesn't work on ODE, if there is no llSitTarget 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7180 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-20 21:39 <justincc> danbanner: ok, my client may have just locked up because of a very irritating ubuntu bug
2014-05-20 21:39 <danbanner> ahh
2014-05-20 21:39 <justincc> ahno, just unfroze
2014-05-20 21:39 <danbanner> ok
2014-05-20 21:39 <danbanner>  [LLUDPSERVER]: No packets received from root agent of Justin Clark-Casey for 60000ms in Sandbox Plaza.  Disconnecting.
2014-05-20 21:39 <danbanner> looks like you crashed just the same
2014-05-20 21:39 <osmantis> Bug #7163:04 Chat Issues: 1) Chat across region borders 2) Script chat always hearable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7163 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-20 21:39 <justincc> ah, did just kick me off
2014-05-20 21:40 <justincc> ok, there are definitely anomolies - I'm going to have a short think about it
2014-05-20 21:40 <danbanner> k
2014-05-20 21:41 <danbanner> the child positions are screwed up for sbp3 too
2014-05-20 21:41 <justincc> I have to think this has something to do with it
2014-05-20 21:41 <danbanner> ya 
2014-05-20 21:42 <danbanner> even whispers go across the sims
2014-05-20 21:44 <osmantis> Bug #7163:04 Chat Issues: 1) Chat across region borders 2) Script chat always hearable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7163 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-20 21:50 <osmantis> Bug #7163:04 Chat Issues: 1) Chat across region borders 2) Script chat always hearable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7163 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-20 21:55 <osmantis> Bug #7163:04 Chat Issues: 1) Chat across region borders 2) Script chat always hearable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7163 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-20 22:10 <osmantis> Bug #7163:04 Chat Issues: 1) Chat across region borders 2) Script chat always hearable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7163 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-20 22:28 <justincc> lol, damn you uints!
2014-05-20 22:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #3580 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-20 23:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3580: SUCCESS in 8 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3580/
2014-05-20 23:00 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix issue where avatar and script chat could sometimes be heard from anywhere in neighbouring regions.
2014-05-20 23:00 <justincc> danbanner: ok, try that
2014-05-20 23:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #3581 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-20 23:01 <danbanner> okay one moment
2014-05-20 23:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3581: SUCCESS in 3 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3581/
2014-05-20 23:04 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: minor: remove compiler warning in SceneObjectPartInventory
2014-05-20 23:04 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: minor: Remove some unused fields in ScenePresence
2014-05-20 23:04 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: minor: Comment out currently unused log setup in TerrainCompressor
2014-05-20 23:15 <osmantis> Bug #7163:04 Chat Issues: 1) Chat across region borders 2) Script chat always hearable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7163 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-20 23:15 <danbanner> i still see some odd child positions but the chat issues looks to be fixed
2014-05-20 23:16 <justincc> negative child positions are expected and normal
2014-05-20 23:16 <justincc> it is the wierd super high numbers that were anomolous
2014-05-20 23:16 <justincc> anyway, glad to hear it's better
2014-05-20 23:16 <danbanner> ya i still see the  <128, 128, 70>
2014-05-20 23:16 <justincc> tbat is curious, tbh
2014-05-20 23:16 <danbanner> but ya after 20m chat stops now
2014-05-20 23:21 <osmantis> Bug #7163:04 Chat Issues: 1) Chat across region borders 2) Script chat always hearable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7163 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-20 23:27 <justincc> ok, rest time.  See you tomorrow.
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2014-05-21 01:21 <smxy> I wish he'd fix the odd child positioning. It causes teleports between neighboring regions to go awry sometimes.
2014-05-21 02:09 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-21 03:08 <velus> hey hey all
2014-05-21 03:17 <linkedinyou> velus:  welcome back
2014-05-21 03:17 <velus> thank you linkedinyou 
2014-05-21 09:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #3582 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-21 09:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3582: SUCCESS in 4 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3582/
2014-05-21 09:42 <osjenkins> orenh: Allow map searches for regions that contain the characters "!+|"
2014-05-21 10:04 <Wolkenreiter> Hi! I'm having troubles with the map on Firestorm...
2014-05-21 10:05 <orenh> what is the problem?
2014-05-21 10:05 <Wolkenreiter> On a varregion, on first click on the map, the regions other than the lower left one will suddenly display as offline...
2014-05-21 10:06 <Wolkenreiter> ...on second click, it seems to work, builds the map, then suddenly repeats the whole map for each square...
2014-05-21 10:06 <orenh> sorry, I don't use varregions so I can't help with this problem
2014-05-21 10:07 <Wolkenreiter> Plus, Warp3DMap seems to crash the simulator, eventually... I've tried the default generator, but that one fails to create proper prims and meshes on the map...
2014-05-21 10:07 <orenh> Warp3D supposedly has a memory leak
2014-05-21 10:08 <orenh> although I haven't seen it
2014-05-21 10:08 <Wolkenreiter> Yes, looks like that
2014-05-21 10:08 <Wolkenreiter> I've set it up to generate the map once every 30 minutes, maybe that's the reason....
2014-05-21 10:08 <jakdaniels> warp3d will slowly bring you sim to its knees depending how often the maptiles are set to refresh
2014-05-21 10:08 <orenh> yikes! 
2014-05-21 10:08 <orenh> yes, more common is once every day
2014-05-21 10:08 <Wolkenreiter> Oh, ok!
2014-05-21 10:09 <jakdaniels> as a work around and until warp3d is fixed I use the static maptile feature, using an aerial picture that I took while flying above my regions
2014-05-21 10:09 <jakdaniels> It takes so much of the load off the sim not having to make maptilers
2014-05-21 10:09 <jakdaniels> *maptiles
2014-05-21 10:09 <Wolkenreiter> Well, I guess I could just let warp3d generate the map once, then save it and use it as a static maptile, as a workaround...
2014-05-21 10:10 <jakdaniels> sure
2014-05-21 10:10 <jakdaniels> you can specify it bu UUID, or you can use a png file and specify that
2014-05-21 10:10 <Wolkenreiter> Ah, good to know :)
2014-05-21 10:11 <jakdaniels> oooh, did you say its a varregion? if so you will need to use a png file
2014-05-21 10:11 <jakdaniels> so e.g. a 1024x1024m varregion needs a 1024x1024px png and so on
2014-05-21 10:12 <Wolkenreiter> Humm, it's still creating a 256x256 image, here...
2014-05-21 10:12 <jakdaniels> what size is the var?
2014-05-21 10:12 <Wolkenreiter> 1024x1024
2014-05-21 10:13 <jakdaniels> it should be creating a 1024x1024px tile. Where are you looking for the image?
2014-05-21 10:15 <jakdaniels> actually if you look at the console, you should see that the mapimageservice chops it up into 256x256 pieces to send to the grid
2014-05-21 10:15 <jakdaniels> maybe you are just looking at one of those
2014-05-21 10:15 <Wolkenreiter> http://178.254.44.211:8002/map-3-1000-1000-objects.jpg
2014-05-21 10:15 <Wolkenreiter> This is what it creates... for the whole region...
2014-05-21 10:17 <jakdaniels> yes that doesn't look right
2014-05-21 10:18 <jakdaniels> can you see from the console anything like: 
2014-05-21 10:18 <jakdaniels> [WORLD MAP]: Storing map tile 2b0e4a23-7aad-43fd-9d06-0f6813344083 for RegionName
2014-05-21 10:19 <Wolkenreiter> Yes
2014-05-21 10:20 <jakdaniels> and on disk you will get a j2k asset for the map:
2014-05-21 10:20 <jakdaniels> ./bin/assetcache/2b0/2b0e4a23-7aad-43fd-9d06-0f6813344083
2014-05-21 10:20 <jakdaniels> for example
2014-05-21 10:20 <jakdaniels> if you have some software to read a texture asset perhaps you could check the size of that
2014-05-21 10:20 <jakdaniels> it should be 1024x1024
2014-05-21 10:23 <jakdaniels> actually there is an interface to the world map module that returns a proper jpg for the maptile at the right size, I can't remember how to call that from a web browser.... let me have a look
2014-05-21 10:23 <Wolkenreiter> Hum, what software would be able to open it? Is it just an image file?
2014-05-21 10:24 <jakdaniels> ah yes... if you look when the sim is booting you might see something like this:
2014-05-21 10:24 <jakdaniels> [WORLD MAP]: JPEG Map location: http://185.47.61.108:9000/index.php?method=regionImage408a91cf62794cb78d409e48c7a77700
2014-05-21 10:25 <jakdaniels> that url should give u the fullsize maptile that warp3d produces
2014-05-21 10:27 <jakdaniels> in my case the maptile is generated from a static png file, but I remember testing it with warp3d when I did the staticmaptile mod
2014-05-21 10:30 <jakdaniels> also the problem with warp3d memory leak is compounded by the fact that there are two processes/timers both firing off warp3d map creation: the world map and the map image service module.
2014-05-21 10:32 <Wolkenreiter> Hum, can I trigger map generator from the console? It doesn't seem to give me an url for my large region...
2014-05-21 10:33 <jakdaniels> i don't know about that. Do you not see the above line  [WORLD MAP]: JPEG Map location: sometime during startup?
2014-05-21 10:34 <Wolkenreiter> Well, just for one, standard size region, not the varregion...
2014-05-21 10:35 <jakdaniels> hmmm, let me look at my test sim that has one 256 and a var 1280 region to see what that does
2014-05-21 10:36 <osmantis> Bug #6748:04 Are two character names allowed for regions? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6748 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-21 10:38 <Wolkenreiter> Maybe it just takes so long it ain't finished yet?
2014-05-21 10:40 <jakdaniels> I see two messages.... not together as each region does a full start one by one...
2014-05-21 10:41 <jakdaniels> [WORLD MAP]: JPEG Map location: http://87.127.21.54:9000/index.php?method=regionImage408a91cf62794cb78d4
2014-05-21 10:41 <jakdaniels> 09e48c7a99900
2014-05-21 10:42 <jakdaniels> oops... anyway here are the two urls for my sim one 256 the other 1280
2014-05-21 10:42 <jakdaniels> http://87.127.21.54:9000/index.php?method=regionImage408a91cf62794cb78d409e48c7a99901
2014-05-21 10:42 <jakdaniels> http://87.127.21.54:9000/index.php?method=regionImage408a91cf62794cb78d409e48c7a99900
2014-05-21 10:43 <jakdaniels> again both were derived from a static png file, but you should get the same size textures out of warp3d
2014-05-21 10:44 <Wolkenreiter> Ah, found it!
2014-05-21 10:44 <Wolkenreiter> Ok, it generates it at 1024x1024
2014-05-21 10:44 <jakdaniels> warp3d does take a very long time now if you have all the bells turned on like render meshes etc
2014-05-21 10:45 <jakdaniels> so you can take those jpgs, convert to png and place in say the bin/maptiles dir
2014-05-21 10:45 <Wolkenreiter> Ok, thanks :)
2014-05-21 10:46 <jakdaniels> then in Regions.ini under each region do something like:
2014-05-21 10:46 <jakdaniels> MaptileStaticFile = "maptiles/TestIsland.png"
2014-05-21 10:47 <jakdaniels> also set the Map type back from Warp3d to MapImageModule in the [Map] section of OpenSim.ini
2014-05-21 10:47 <jakdaniels> MapImageModule = "MapImageModule"
2014-05-21 10:48 <jakdaniels> as that module is the one that supports static tiles
2014-05-21 10:48 <Wolkenreiter> Ah, ok!
2014-05-21 10:48 <Wolkenreiter> So I will have to switch back to warp3d and restart every time I want to generate a new map?
2014-05-21 10:48 <jakdaniels> if you want warp3d to create it yes
2014-05-21 10:49 <jakdaniels> but until warp3d becomes less of a resource hog, thats probably for the best ;-)
2014-05-21 10:50 <Wolkenreiter> Yes, I can see that, and finding the simulator crashed every morning ain't desirable, either :)
2014-05-21 10:51 <jakdaniels> I prefer just to take aerial snapshoys in the viewer these days for each region. The detail and lighting on the maptiles is much better that way :-)
2014-05-21 10:51 <Wolkenreiter> but can I still retrieve a static map image through a http server?
2014-05-21 10:51 <Wolkenreiter> it seemed handy, since we're trying to implement our own minimap hud in JavaScript...
2014-05-21 10:52 <jakdaniels> Everything should still work as before, all you are doing is replacing the output from warp3d with a static image
2014-05-21 10:52 <Wolkenreiter> Ok, thanks :)
2014-05-21 10:53 <jakdaniels> the only caveat with all of this is that maptiles > 256px do not work in the OSGrid web based world map, but thats a bug in the javascript map on OSGrid website
2014-05-21 10:53 <jakdaniels> it doesn't support varregion tiles
2014-05-21 10:53 <jakdaniels> but the viewer map works fine
2014-05-21 10:55 <Wolkenreiter> Ok
2014-05-21 10:55 <Wolkenreiter> Another question... is C# scripting still somewhat possible?
2014-05-21 10:56 <jakdaniels> Not sure about that.
2014-05-21 10:57 <jakdaniels> Could it be done using a opensim region module?
2014-05-21 10:57 <Wolkenreiter> I've found a blogpost about enabling C# and disabling script creation/editing for normal users, but it's from 2008 and the information seems outdated...
2014-05-21 10:57 <Wolkenreiter> Yes, Region Modules would work, I guess...
2014-05-21 10:57 <jakdaniels> there's some docs on creating a region module in the wiki, and some example modules
2014-05-21 10:58 <Wolkenreiter> This'll still require me to use more LSL than I'd like, unfortunately :D
2014-05-21 10:58 <jakdaniels> i guess if you're making a hud, you will still need some lsl scripting to talk to the region module, or backend webserver etc
2014-05-21 10:59 <Wolkenreiter> Yes, seems that's the way to go, for now... let a region module do all the communication and forward it to "dumb" lsl scripts inside the HUD...
2014-05-21 11:00 <jakdaniels> you could simplify the hud to just a set of prims that use osSetDynamicTextureURL from a webserver that contains all the logic for delivering maptiles?
2014-05-21 11:00 <jakdaniels> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsSetDynamicTextureURL
2014-05-21 11:03 <Wolkenreiter> Well, I think I will use the HUD just as a container for MOAP, and use HTML/JavaScript for the actual map...
2014-05-21 11:03 <jakdaniels> yes, would work also. I guess there are many ways to achieve the same thing!
2014-05-21 11:04 <Wolkenreiter> It allows for the most options and interactivity and takes away some load from the sim server :)
2014-05-21 11:04 <jakdaniels> true. anyway I have to go for a bit. bbl.
2014-05-21 11:05 <Wolkenreiter> ok, see ya, thanks for the help :)
2014-05-21 22:25 <AliciaRaven2> offline ims are getting stored with a ? before the xml causing an exception, i heard some one else have this problem a while back
2014-05-21 22:25 <AliciaRaven2> guessing this is only happening under certain conditions
2014-05-21 22:26 <justincc> using the core module which stores IM or the one which deliver them to an external endpoint?
2014-05-21 22:26 <AliciaRaven2> exception is thrown by offline im handler
2014-05-21 22:26 <justincc> I dont' know which one that is
2014-05-21 22:27 <AliciaRaven2> i just upgraded my grid from 0.7.6 stable to the latest code this morning
2014-05-21 22:27 <AliciaRaven2> i will look into it and see if i can find out whats going on, also ill check if the other person created a mantis for it
2014-05-21 22:28 <justincc> ok
2014-05-21 23:35 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: Are you using the external offline IM PHP file or are you just using the features built in to the core of OpenSim?
2014-05-21 23:35 <AliciaRaven> core opensim, i found the problem tho
2014-05-21 23:35 <Plugh> ok
2014-05-21 23:36 <AliciaRaven> its saving the xml as utf8 and including the BOM char at the start which breaks it trying to deserialize
2014-05-21 23:37 <AliciaRaven> have u had the same problem Plugh?
2014-05-21 23:37 <Plugh> No. I have been using an external PHP file to handle offline IM's.
2014-05-21 23:37 <AliciaRaven> k
2014-05-21 23:38 <H-H-H> i also use the external php file and have no issues :)
2014-05-21 23:39 <AliciaRaven> now i fixed this, i dont have issues either :)
2014-05-21 23:39 <H-H-H> yay :)
2014-05-21 23:39 <velusuniverse> H-H-H, where is the external php file?
2014-05-21 23:40 <H-H-H> erm i have it on my github and im sure its out there on the web somewhere lol
2014-05-21 23:40 <velusuniverse> whats your github
2014-05-21 23:41 <H-H-H> can also use this
2014-05-21 23:41 <H-H-H> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Offline_Messaging
2014-05-21 23:47 <velusuniverse> H-H-H, that out of date as the im messageing now has principle id, from id, meesage, tmstamp
2014-05-21 23:48 <H-H-H> then change the php code :)
2014-05-21 23:49 <velusuniverse> yeah i will do soon lol but im thinking of creating my own one with pdo mysql not mysqli
2014-05-21 23:50 <H-H-H> mysqli would be good as in newer php versions  on a default setup it fills the logs up quickly as mysql is depreciated and apparently we should all be using mysqli anyway lol
2014-05-21 23:51 <velusuniverse> no we should all be using pdo not mysqli or mysqli
2014-05-21 23:51 <velusuniverse> pdo_mysql is the most secure one you can get 
2014-05-21 23:52 <H-H-H> never tried it myself but would be interested to see how you get on :)
2014-05-21 23:52 <velusuniverse> pdo_mysql does not fill up logs atall as it is the newist version and not deprciated
2014-05-21 23:52 <velusuniverse> yeah im still working on mysite and thats with a full pdo_mysql in the back ground lol
2014-05-21 23:53 <velusuniverse> but brb need to pick up my 10 oz stake
2014-05-21 23:53 <H-H-H> nothing fills the logs if you turn of error reporting but that kind of defeats the purpose lol
2014-05-22 00:06 <osmantis> Bug #6973:04 Offline IM's Fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6973 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-05-22 00:13 <osmantis> Bug #7183:04 Problems loading OARs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7183 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-22 00:35 <velusuniverse> lol
2014-05-22 00:41 <Plugh> velusuniverse: You can get the offline.php file from the opensimwi project on Forge
2014-05-22 00:41 <velusuniverse> ok
2014-05-22 01:49 <osmantis> Bug #6973:04 Offline IM's Fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6973 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-22 02:07 <osmantis> Bug #6973:04 Offline IM's Fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6973 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-22 02:10 <osmantis> Bug #6973:04 Offline IM's Fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6973 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-22 02:11 <osmantis> Bug #6973:04 Offline IM's Fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6973 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007123.
2014-05-22 02:11 <osmantis> Bug #7123:04 V2 Offline Messaging: retrieval is broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006973.
2014-05-22 02:13 <osmantis> Bug #7183:04 Problems loading OARs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7183 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-22 02:14 <osmantis> Bug #7184:04 New LL Restart Warning 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7184 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-22 02:16 <LiruCookies> ^Who wants to work with me on that?
2014-05-22 02:16 <LiruCookies> I implemented it into Singu, I know how it works.
2014-05-22 02:17 <LiruCookies> One of you volunteer, we could have it finished quickly.
2014-05-22 02:18 <LiruCookies> Actually, it might work already with singu... depending on how you implemented existing notice.
2014-05-22 02:26 <Plugh> LiruCookies: What are you referring to?
2014-05-22 02:38 <LiruCookies> The LL Restart Warning
2014-05-22 02:38 <LiruCookies> Bug #7184
2014-05-22 02:41 <Plugh> ok. I'm not aware of that box.
2014-05-22 02:46 <osmantis> Bug #7113:04 llGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7113 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-05-22 04:53 <smxy_> AliciaRaven: You need to make your offline IMs table be UTF-8.
2014-05-22 05:20 <Plugh> oh, yeah. that was the other issue.
2014-05-22 05:20 <Plugh> I've already done that in my grid.
2014-05-22 05:30 <smxy> AliciaRaven: Oh, and you need to configure your DB to work in UTF-8 mode as well.
2014-05-22 07:34 <jakdaniels> who or where do I ask about the Opensimulator Mantis? My account seems to be locked and I can't login!
2014-05-22 09:48 <AliciaRaven> smxy if the bom character isnt required, why not just prevent it from being saved instead of having to include instructions for people to manualy have to change the db, which last night i didnt have because i didnt think to check closed issues
2014-05-22 10:14 <osmantis> Bug #7183:04 Problems loading OARs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7183 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-22 10:33 <osmantis> Bug #6973:04 Offline IM's Fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6973 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-22 11:14 <osmantis> Bug #7185:04 When i rezz or wear and object for first time, i receive that error. Then everything works fine. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7185 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-22 11:47 <osmantis> Bug #7185:04 When i rezz or wear and object for first time, i receive that error. Then everything works fine. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7185 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-22 12:04 <osmantis> Bug #6973:04 Offline IM's Fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6973 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-22 12:06 <osmantis> Bug #6973:04 Offline IM's Fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6973 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-22 12:19 <osmantis> Bug #6973:04 Offline IM's Fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6973 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-22 12:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #3583 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-22 12:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3583: SUCCESS in 8 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3583/
2014-05-22 12:25 <osjenkins> * orenh: Store the Teleport Flags in the Circuit. This doesn't seem to be necessary, because everything has worked so far, but it's the right thing to do.
2014-05-22 12:25 <osjenkins> * orenh: Fix mantis 6973. Prevent BOM being prefixed to message XML which was causing an exception when the service tried to read the data later on.
2014-05-22 12:25 <osmantis> Bug #6973:04 Offline IM's Fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6973 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-05-22 12:25 <osmantis> Bug #6973:04 Offline IM's Fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6973 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-22 12:28 <AliciaRaven> thanks orenh :)
2014-05-22 14:02 <osmantis> Bug #7113:04 llGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7113 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-05-22 14:16 <osmantis> Bug #7037:04 Group Notices Cause Time Outs (Both V2 and Flostream) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7037 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-22 16:09 <diva> wow, opensim creates a new asset every time an avie detaches an object.
2014-05-22 16:09 <vegaslon> ya that was the problem with mesh attachments causing major network traffic
2014-05-22 16:12 <smxy> AliciaRaven & orenh: If you two are satisfied with that change, so am I. 
2014-05-22 16:13 <diva> I wonder why on earth we are doing that...
2014-05-22 16:14 <orenh> to update the script state
2014-05-22 16:15 <diva> what does the script state have to do with the asset itself?
2014-05-22 16:15 <orenh> the object's XML asset contains the state of all scripts in the object
2014-05-22 16:15 <smxy> Why can't the updaed state be written back to the existing asset, rather than creating a new one?
2014-05-22 16:16 <diva> smxy assets are immutable in opensim
2014-05-22 16:16 <diva> but this seems like a draconian thing to do!
2014-05-22 16:16 <orenh> it is
2014-05-22 16:16 <orenh> I looked for a while about improving this
2014-05-22 16:16 <orenh> 1st option - separate the script state from the asset
2014-05-22 16:16 <orenh> looks like a lot of work
2014-05-22 16:17 <orenh> 2nd option - when updating an attachment's asset, delete the previous asset
2014-05-22 16:17 <orenh> this will work 99% of the time, but if anyone has copied the item then their asset will suddently disappear
2014-05-22 16:17 <orenh> at that point I stopped and moved on to other things...
2014-05-22 16:17 <smxy> Isn't option 1 the correct way?
2014-05-22 16:17 <orenh> it's a lot of work
2014-05-22 16:17 <orenh> and actually, the asset isn't updated JUST for the script states
2014-05-22 16:17 <orenh> there are other things
2014-05-22 16:18 <orenh> findn and extracting them all is what will be a lot of work
2014-05-22 16:18 <orenh> *finding*
2014-05-22 16:18 <orenh> or, we could establish some sort of rule that limits how attachments are updated, to make our lives easier
2014-05-22 16:19 <orenh> but I don't know what that rule would be
2014-05-22 16:19 <diva> sigh. I'll just fix this for  for the minimum, so that it does the right thing for advanced configurations of asset servers that I'm dealing with...
2014-05-22 16:20 <orenh> what do you mean? how willl you fix this?
2014-05-22 16:22 <diva> I won't "fix" this. I'll just fix my problem
2014-05-22 16:22 <orenh> ok
2014-05-22 16:23 <orenh> I'll return to my scheduled asset duplication regimen...
2014-05-22 16:24 <diva> :)
2014-05-22 16:48 <lkalif> things like attachment position are also saved with the attachment asset
2014-05-22 17:11 <diva> geez it really pains me to see new assets created every single time attachs are detached... what a waste!
2014-05-22 17:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #3584 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-22 17:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3584: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3584/
2014-05-22 17:20 <osjenkins> diva: Fixed a problem with detaching attachments in situations where the user's asset server is not the same as the simulator's asset server. Unfortunately this still continues to be wasteful -- new assets are created every time an attachment is detached, but the process of storing the new asset goes through the InventoryAccess module, which does all sorts of checks regarding the users' inventory.
2014-05-22 17:24 <lkalif> diva: every time you change a slider on your shape, edit script, modify text on a notecard...
2014-05-22 17:30 <diva> yes...
2014-05-22 18:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #3585 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-22 19:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3585: ABORTED in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3585/
2014-05-22 19:30 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add regression test for in-range chat between neighbouring regions from east to west.
2014-05-22 19:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #3586 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: ABORTED -- last SUCCESS #3584 2 hr 13 min ago)
2014-05-22 19:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3586: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3586/
2014-05-22 19:34 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Simplify regression TestInterRegionChatDistanceEastWest() by making the child presence connection directly rather than routing through TestClient.
2014-05-22 19:34 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Extend regression TestInterRegionChatDistanceEastWest() to test in range chat both ways.
2014-05-22 19:34 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Extend regression TestInterRegionChatDistanceEastWest() to test out of range chat
2014-05-22 19:34 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Add regression test for north-south chat across neighbour regions.
2014-05-22 19:46 <Bamsen> Question: I keep getting error robust.ini not found in bin/ but it's in the folder and I did eddit it. 
2014-05-22 19:46 <Bamsen> Just open Robust.exe it opens and closes.
2014-05-22 20:03 -!- "Anyone awake =) ?")
2014-05-22 20:09 <Plugh> Are you on an operating system that is case sensitive for filenames?
2014-05-22 20:41 <frnic> Do you have permission to read it?
2014-05-22 21:10 <danbanner> bamsen: if you using windows, make sure the ini you are editing isnt actually Robust.ini.example
2014-05-22 21:10 <danbanner> look at the "type" 
2014-05-22 21:12 <Plugh> danbanner: Good point. I always have any Windows box I use set to not hide extensions to avoid possible issues like that.
2014-05-22 21:13 <danbanner> ya hiding filename extensions is the dumbest thing microsoft ever did
2014-05-22 21:13 <danbanner> one of the*
2014-05-22 21:27 <osmantis> Bug #7183:04 Problems loading OARs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7183 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-22 21:58 <Bamsen> So yeah everyone can connect now but I cant connect to my own server it's odd stops at handchack
2014-05-22 22:11 <osmantis> Bug #7183:04 Problems loading OARs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7183 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-22 22:17 <Bamsen> Anyone who can assist?
2014-05-22 22:22 <justinccAfk> try pinging the ExternalHostName from your box
2014-05-22 22:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #3587 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-22 22:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3587: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3587/
2014-05-22 22:46 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix issue where llSetCameraAtOffset() and llSetCameraEyeOffset() in non-root prims moved camera/focus to wrong position.
2014-05-22 22:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #3588 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-22 22:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3588: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3588/
2014-05-22 22:58 <osjenkins> jjustincc: If the root prim has a camera-at or camera-eye setting and a sat upon child prim does not, use the root prim offsets.
2014-05-22 23:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #3589 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-22 23:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3589: SUCCESS in 3 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3589/
2014-05-22 23:07 <osjenkins> jjustincc: If a script calls llSetCameraAtOffset() or llSetCameraEyeOffset() on a child prim and the root prim has no corresponding value set, then also set the root prim.
2014-05-22 23:10 <osmantis> Bug #7176:04 Sit camera not working correctly when prim the camera settings applied to is not root 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7176 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-22 23:34 <Wanderer_42> Bamsen: that looks like an loopback-problem
2014-05-22 23:51 <Plugh> danbanner: I like your correction to "one of the" :)
2014-05-22 23:51 <danbanner> :)
2014-05-22 23:58 <Wanderer_42> yes, saw that too lol
2014-05-23 00:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #3590 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-23 00:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3590: SUCCESS in 3 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3590/
2014-05-23 00:39 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Compensate camera-at and camera-eye for child prim rotation when sitting on child prim with camera-eye set
2014-05-23 00:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #3591 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-23 00:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3591: SUCCESS in 3 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3591/
2014-05-23 00:43 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add any camera at compensation for sat upon child prims to any existing camera-at value, rather than replace.
2014-05-23 00:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #3592 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-23 01:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3592: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3592/
2014-05-23 01:00 <osjenkins> jjustincc: If one is sitting on a child with an unset camera-eye and so using one set in a root prim, the focus should remain on the root prim.
2014-05-23 01:00 <osmantis> Bug #7176:04 Sit camera not working correctly when prim the camera settings applied to is not root 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7176 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-05-23 04:34 <nebadon_laptop> oh lkalif you are here
2014-05-23 04:34 <nebadon_laptop> your not in #singulairty :/
2014-05-23 04:34 <nebadon_laptop> are you around now?
2014-05-23 04:34 <lkalif> yes, I've always been here :P
2014-05-23 04:34 <nebadon_laptop> hehe hey
2014-05-23 04:34 <lkalif> and, no, I no longer work on Singularity
2014-05-23 04:34 <nebadon_laptop> ohh 
2014-05-23 04:34 <nebadon_laptop> bummer
2014-05-23 04:35 <nebadon_laptop> well my question was unrelated to singlarity
2014-05-23 04:35 <nebadon_laptop> i wanted to get Nirans Black Dragon to log into OpenSimulator
2014-05-23 04:35 <nebadon_laptop> i tried your patch thingy
2014-05-23 04:35 <nebadon_laptop> and no luck
2014-05-23 04:35 <nebadon_laptop> I was wondering if perhaps you had another suggestion
2014-05-23 04:35 <lkalif> you just need right grids.xml in the right place
2014-05-23 04:35 <nebadon_laptop> hmm thats right
2014-05-23 04:35 <nebadon_laptop> where does that file live normally?
2014-05-23 04:36 <nebadon_laptop> im on win8.1
2014-05-23 04:36 <lkalif> well for SL stock viewer the location is: %appdata%\SecondLife\user_settings
2014-05-23 04:37 <nebadon_laptop> ok found that location for Black Dragon and no such file
2014-05-23 04:37 <nebadon_laptop> :(
2014-05-23 04:37 <lkalif> yeah, they don't ship it
2014-05-23 04:37 <lkalif> here it is https://gist.github.com/lkalif/db6f949e7a023bf95bc1
2014-05-23 04:38 <nebadon_laptop> oh so if i add it
2014-05-23 04:38 <nebadon_laptop> it will pick it up?
2014-05-23 04:38 <lkalif> yep
2014-05-23 04:38 <lkalif> yep
2014-05-23 04:38 <lkalif> linden viewres too 
2014-05-23 04:38 <lkalif> so put it in that folder above too
2014-05-23 04:39 <lkalif> this one has Osgrid and GridProxy but you can add any grid manually pretty easu
2014-05-23 04:39 <nebadon_laptop> ok awesome
2014-05-23 04:39 <nebadon_laptop> thanks man im giving it a whirl now
2014-05-23 04:41 <nebadon_laptop> hmm
2014-05-23 04:41 <nebadon_laptop> Black Dragon doesnt seem to let you select the grid
2014-05-23 04:41 <lkalif> not even Aditi?
2014-05-23 04:41 <lkalif> there is a setting if the grid selector should be shown on login
2014-05-23 04:42 <nebadon_laptop> ah ok let me see if I can find that
2014-05-23 04:43 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: on linden viewer it's in prefs -> advanced -> Show grid selection at login
2014-05-23 04:44 <nebadon_laptop> I dont see an adavanced menu in prefs for this viewer
2014-05-23 04:45 <lkalif> on stock viwer is like this http://i.imgur.com/iQUpe7D.png
2014-05-23 04:45 <lkalif> but that just flips a debug setting
2014-05-23 04:47 <nebadon_laptop> ya not seeing that anywhere
2014-05-23 04:47 <nebadon_laptop> how disapointing
2014-05-23 04:47 <lkalif> ForceShowGrid debug setting
2014-05-23 04:48 <nebadon_laptop> i dont see any way to get into debug settings either
2014-05-23 04:48 <lkalif> alt-ctrl-d doesn't show debug menu?
2014-05-23 04:49 <nebadon_laptop> AHA
2014-05-23 04:49 <nebadon_laptop> aww so close
2014-05-23 04:49 <nebadon_laptop> i used --grid 
2014-05-23 04:49 <nebadon_laptop> with the .exe
2014-05-23 04:49 <nebadon_laptop> and it started logging in and crashed
2014-05-23 04:49 <nebadon_laptop> maybe because i used your patch tool
2014-05-23 04:49 <nebadon_laptop> let me replace with original file
2014-05-23 04:50 <nebadon_laptop> lkalif no alt+ctrl+d didnt do anything
2014-05-23 04:50 <nebadon_laptop> the login screen is very different on this viewer
2014-05-23 04:51 <nebadon_laptop> oh shit
2014-05-23 04:51 <nebadon_laptop> i know why its crashing
2014-05-23 04:51 <nebadon_laptop> im sad
2014-05-23 04:51 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-05-23 04:51 <lkalif> varregion?
2014-05-23 04:51 <nebadon_laptop> no varregion support :(
2014-05-23 04:51 <nebadon_laptop> haha y
2014-05-23 04:51 <nebadon_laptop> ah well was worth atry
2014-05-23 04:51 <nebadon_laptop> i found a bug in Singularity that prevents me from using it for Machinima
2014-05-23 04:52 <nebadon_laptop> Firestorm works ok, but i was hoping to get the the really fancy graphics nirans has
2014-05-23 04:53 <nebadon_laptop> these models I am in are really large, 15 768x768
2014-05-23 04:53 <nebadon_laptop> and when I log in the entire thing is instantly visible
2014-05-23 04:53 <nebadon_laptop> 135 regions
2014-05-23 04:53 <nebadon_laptop> when if i cam from one area to another far away, and then back, prims go missing
2014-05-23 04:54 <nebadon_laptop> the only way i can see them again is to select them and move them slightly or toggle fullbright on and off
2014-05-23 04:54 <nebadon_laptop> real pain in the ass makes it impossible to use for machinima, but Firestorm doesnt do it
2014-05-23 04:56 <lkalif> I'm no longer working on Singularity.
2014-05-23 04:56 <lkalif> LiruCookies might be interested
2014-05-23 04:56 <lkalif> or file an issue on the tracker
2014-05-23 04:56 <nebadon_laptop> ya 
2014-05-23 05:07 <LiruCookies> nebadon_laptop: Try to reproduce that on Second Life.
2014-05-23 05:08 <nebadon_laptop> im not even sure its possible to see 135 regions at once in SL is it?
2014-05-23 05:08 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-05-23 05:08 <LiruCookies> Well I'm saying it might be an issue with opensim, even..
2014-05-23 05:09 <LiruCookies> We should receive the objects that are interesting to us
2014-05-23 05:09 <LiruCookies> Based on our camera.
2014-05-23 05:09 <nebadon_laptop> ok, however I would imagnie if it was a opensim specific issue, firestorm would do same thing no?
2014-05-23 05:10 <LiruCookies> Not sure, there are difference, you know.
2014-05-23 05:10 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-05-23 15:06 <Aleric> Is there a mantis about the fact that the line numbers given for script errors are totally fubar?
2014-05-23 15:08 <Aleric> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6764
2014-05-23 15:34 <Plugh> Aleric, yea, it is one of my pet peeves. 
2014-05-23 15:34 <Aleric> Plugh: meaning?
2014-05-23 15:35 <Aleric> I figured out that line number are related to .map files on the server in the meantime.
2014-05-23 15:35 <Aleric> I wonder what the format of those files is.
2014-05-23 15:36 <Plugh> Where are the .map files?
2014-05-23 15:36 <Aleric> where the script .dll's are
2014-05-23 15:36 <Plugh> ah, ok.
2014-05-23 15:36 <Aleric> ./bin/ScriptEngines/b0eb6595-521e-4151-9606-23f677dc2689/CommonCompiler_compiled_0afb2b8e-9c01-4f3b-826b-271cef934ccd.dll.map
2014-05-23 15:37 <Aleric> ./bin/ScriptEngines/b0eb6595-521e-4151-9606-23f677dc2689/CommonCompiler_compiled_0afb2b8e-9c01-4f3b-826b-271cef934ccd.dll is the assembly then
2014-05-23 15:37 <Plugh> hm... they are simple text files.
2014-05-23 15:38 <Plugh> Aleric: .map references show up in OpenSim/Tools/Compiler/Program.cs, OpenSim/Region/ScriptEngine/Shared/CodeTools/Compiler.cs, and OpenSim/Region/ScriptEngine/XEngine/XEngine.cs
2014-05-23 15:38 <Aleric> That's where I found the whole .map from :p
2014-05-23 15:41 <lkalif> Aleric: .map is mono specific
2014-05-23 15:41 <Plugh> The first file appears to just write a mostly empty file. It does buf = Encoding.ASCII.GetBytes(posmap); where posmap was set to the empty string and it then writes that out.
2014-05-23 15:42 <lkalif> the problem is that the script LSL gets translated to c# and c# gets compiled, so the errors you get is from c# translation of the file
2014-05-23 15:42 <lkalif> Melanie_ had  a fix for it, but it was removed because it was causing some other issue
2014-05-23 15:42 <diva> Melanie_ is there a reason why the XBakes handler overrides Handle instead of implementing ProcessRequest?
2014-05-23 15:42 <Plugh> Melanie applied a fix 3 times and it was removed each time.
2014-05-23 15:43 <smxy> Yes, so she said 'screw it'.
2014-05-23 15:43 <Aleric> What was the reason the fixes were removed?
2014-05-23 15:44 <Plugh> Aleric: I don't know but it would be interesting to know (and find out who removed the fix).
2014-05-23 15:44 <Aleric> I suppose the fixes and the reverts are in git?
2014-05-23 15:44 <Plugh> If it is related to use of .map files we can check the history of the files that use .map
2014-05-23 15:44 <Plugh> yes, should be in there somewhere.
2014-05-23 15:44 <lkalif> you can't use .map files
2014-05-23 15:44 <lkalif> they're mono specific
2014-05-23 15:44 <Plugh> No idea how long ago Melanie had applied the fixes.
2014-05-23 15:45 <Aleric> lkalif: the LSL script itself, is that mono?
2014-05-23 15:45 <Aleric> The line numbers in the .map file seem to possibly related to my LSL script file.
2014-05-23 15:45 <Aleric> be*
2014-05-23 15:45 <Plugh> lkalif: they could be used if the format of the files can be determined otherwise why bother writing them out in the first place?
2014-05-23 15:46 <Aleric> That is ... the highest number more or less corresponds with the end of the file :p.
2014-05-23 15:46 <lkalif> .map files are generated by mono compiler
2014-05-23 15:46 <Plugh> OpenSim/Region/ScriptEngine/Shared/CodeTools/Compiler.cs reads the .map files
2014-05-23 15:46 <nebadon> I would assume that these files do not get generated on Windows .net if its mono specific?
2014-05-23 15:46 <lkalif> well I could be wrong then
2014-05-23 15:46 <Aleric> lkalif: and the mono compiler is compiling a C# file?
2014-05-23 15:46 <nebadon> which would make them not a good candidate for use?
2014-05-23 15:46 <lkalif> nebadon: right, windows generated .pdb
2014-05-23 15:47 <Plugh> Aleric: That file also does a write of the .mono
2014-05-23 15:47 <lkalif> ah but you can enable .map on windows too
2014-05-23 15:47 <Plugh> 
ACTION sighs

2014-05-23 15:47 <Plugh> the cat is doing his morning meowing session calling for me.  :P
2014-05-23 15:47 <Aleric> lkalif: Can you outline again please how an LSL script is translated, compiled etc - and at which point the .map is generated?
2014-05-23 15:48 <Plugh> My thought was to just generate #line directives for each input line. That might be a simple way to (mostly) fix the problem.
2014-05-23 15:48 <Plugh> bbiab
2014-05-23 15:48 <lkalif> Aleric: I don't know the details. Melanie_ wrote those bits, bit LSL text is "compiled" to c# source which is then compiled into assembly executable (.dll)
2014-05-23 15:49 <lkalif> there are some #line pragmas inserted that should allow c# code to know which lsl line it is
2014-05-23 15:49 <Aleric> Should I be able to find that C# source code then? :/
2014-05-23 15:51 <lkalif> It's probably treated as temp file and deleted. Again, I have not looked at the source for the script compiler, so I'm motly guessing :)
2014-05-23 15:52 <Plugh> I have done some looking at compilation. I don't know all the details but I have found the parts of the compiler tools.
2014-05-23 15:53 <Plugh> lkalif: If its only some my experience is that it isn't enough. On a large file, line numbers are off by hundreds of lines.
2014-05-23 15:57 <Plugh> hm... commit hash 0d25be3f8162fc4e99cd5abdaceb425a1f7370fe
2014-05-23 15:57 <Plugh> Make C# scripts return correct error line and column numbers instead of failing because they have no linemap.
2014-05-23 15:58 <Plugh> Fix based on patch to mantis 6571
2014-05-23 16:00 <Plugh> hmm... that fix is still in place.
2014-05-23 16:01 <Aleric> That is unrelated.. this is about LSL scripts, not C# scripts.
2014-05-23 16:07 <Plugh> commit ef686ead37f475ad9e16f637fe1efc41cfbbd6f4
2014-05-23 16:07 <Plugh>     Like the assembly and text files, only write the c#-lsl linemap in XEngine.SetXMLState() if the trust binaries flag is set.    
2014-05-23 16:07 <Plugh>     This doesn't affect other locations where the map is written, such as on script compilation.
2014-05-23 16:07 <Plugh> 
ACTION wonders why there should be multiple places where the map is written.

2014-05-23 16:08 <Aleric> Oh!
2014-05-23 16:08 <Aleric> Now I understand the line map :p
2014-05-23 16:09 <Plugh> Care to explain it to the rest of the class so we can all be on the same page? 
2014-05-23 16:09 <Plugh> :)
2014-05-23 16:09 <Aleric> Well.. um, not sure yet :*)
2014-05-23 16:10 <Aleric> But I think now that it is a mapping from line number range to line number range...
2014-05-23 16:10 <Plugh> searching the log for 'linemap' is finding some of these commits.
2014-05-23 16:10 <Aleric> That doesn't make sense though, since there is also a column involved no?
2014-05-23 16:10 <Aleric> I mean... this one starts as follows:
2014-05-23 16:10 <Aleric> 4,9,22,1
2014-05-23 16:10 <Aleric> 4,43,1,0
2014-05-23 16:10 <Aleric> 4,46,22,25
2014-05-23 16:10 <Aleric> 4,47,22,26
2014-05-23 16:10 <Aleric> 5,9,23,1
2014-05-23 16:10 <Plugh> yes, it can also report column. I'd be happy to just have the right line reference.
2014-05-23 16:10 <Aleric> 5,52,1,0
2014-05-23 16:10 <Plugh> right.
2014-05-23 16:11 <Aleric> No.. lkalif said it was generated by the mono compiler, so it's impossible that it is what I thought :/
2014-05-23 16:11 <lkalif> I'm not sure Aleric
2014-05-23 16:11 <Plugh> I see where .map is read in to a dictionary.
2014-05-23 16:11 <Aleric> I don't understand then however what 'c#-lsl linemap' can mean.
2014-05-23 16:12 <Aleric> That seems to mean that there is a map between the line numbers of lsl and the compiled c# file.
2014-05-23 16:13 <Plugh> bbiab
2014-05-23 16:14 <Aleric> ok... it has to be that the first line is '1' in this map - and that the third column refers to the LSL line numbers.
2014-05-23 16:15 <Aleric> Hence, 4,9,22,1  refers to line 21 in the LSL file.
2014-05-23 16:19 <Aleric> The fourth column refers to columns in the LSL file.. also with an offset of one: '1' is the first column, while 0 is the first in the LSL editor window in the viewer.
2014-05-23 16:19 <Aleric> Obviously that means that the first are line number and column in the C# file.
2014-05-23 16:20 <Aleric> I need to see the generated/compiled C# file :/
2014-05-23 16:21 <Aleric> I can deduct from the C# line numbers however, that there are no comments and no empty lines in it.
2014-05-23 16:22 <Aleric> I'm not convinced it's C# though :/
2014-05-23 16:22 <Aleric> It could be refering to the assembly instead?
2014-05-23 16:22 <Aleric> Or preprocessed LSL
2014-05-23 16:23 <lkalif> assembly is compiled code, line numbers cannot be referring to stuff in it
2014-05-23 16:25 <Aleric> Normally assembly contains #line directives... this map could be just the lines where such a line directive would be - instead of actually being there.
2014-05-23 16:25 <Aleric> That is only used for debugging though.. it seems less useful for compile time error reporting.
2014-05-23 16:25 <_gangrel_0120> Hello everyone. I have a question I'd ask. Is it possible to compile OpenSimulator from the Git repository, in a processor with ARM architecture?
2014-05-23 16:25 <_gangrel_0120> When I try I get the following error:
2014-05-23 16:25 <_gangrel_0120> Hello everyone. I have a question I'd ask. Is it possible to compile OpenSimulator from the Git repository, in a processor with ARM architecture?
2014-05-23 16:25 <_gangrel_0120> When I try I get the following error:
2014-05-23 16:25 <_gangrel_0120> [csc] The compiler for "Mono 4.0 Profile" does not support limiting the platform on Which the compiled code can run.
2014-05-23 16:26 <_gangrel_0120> sorry for repeat. copy-paste
2014-05-23 16:26 <_gangrel_0120> i'm using mono-complete 3.2.0
2014-05-23 16:27 <Plugh> 
ACTION is back

2014-05-23 16:37 <Plugh> lunch time. bbl.
2014-05-23 16:53 <osmantis> Bug #7186:04 Looping Sounds Stops 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7186 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-23 17:28 <Plugh> Aleric: The .map file is read in the function ReadMapFile located in OpenSim/Region/ScriptEngine/Shared/CodeTools/Compiler.cs
2014-05-23 17:46 <Plugh> Aleric: The comment on this commit is interesting -> 1876ce90af9
2014-05-23 17:53 <Plugh> That comment about using .map re: C# is the most recent reference to "linemap" in git log.
2014-05-23 18:38 <Aleric> ./Shared/CodeTools/Compiler.cs:640 : errorPos = FindErrorPosition
2014-05-23 18:43 <Plugh> Aleric: yeah
2014-05-23 18:50 <Aleric> How can I give myself God powers on my localhost server?
2014-05-23 18:51 <Aleric> Or.. how can I save the sim state from the console.
2014-05-23 18:52 <JoeRadik> Ctrl-Alt-G
2014-05-23 18:53 <lkalif> huh?
2014-05-23 18:53 <Aleric> Not from the viewer.. it's denied. I need the config file.
2014-05-23 18:53 <Aleric> nm I found out
2014-05-23 18:54 <JoeRadik> del-del-del :)
2014-05-23 19:11 <Aleric> On my 8-core, unloaded PC at home - running a single sim - existing of the default little island with a single prim on it...
2014-05-23 19:12 <Aleric> ... it takes nearly a whole minute to start the sim and have logins enabled :/.
2014-05-23 19:12 <Aleric> Sorry, but C# must be the worst and slowest language possible or something :/
2014-05-23 19:12 <lkalif> nonsense
2014-05-23 19:15 <Plugh> Aleric: For compiles, I think C++ is the worst.
2014-05-23 19:15 <Aleric> Probably, but I'm not talking about compiling :p
2014-05-23 19:15 <Aleric> Anyway,
2014-05-23 19:16 <Aleric>         public void PerformScriptCompile(string Script, string asset, UUID ownerUUID,
2014-05-23 19:16 <Aleric>             out string assembly, out Dictionary<KeyValuePair<int, int>, KeyValuePair<int, int>> linemap)
2014-05-23 19:16 <Aleric>         {
2014-05-23 19:16 <Aleric>             m_log.DebugFormat("[Compiler]: Compiling script\n{0}", Script);
2014-05-23 19:16 <Aleric> That outputs:
2014-05-23 19:16 <Aleric> 21:14:26 - [Compiler]: Compiling script
2014-05-23 19:16 <Aleric> no script text follows.
2014-05-23 19:16 <Aleric> Why not? I just uncommented that debug line :/
2014-05-23 19:19 <lkalif> you think that should be source code?
2014-05-23 19:19 <Aleric> Anyone? How can I print a multi-line debug string to the logs?
2014-05-23 19:20 <Aleric> I'm sure of it.
2014-05-23 19:20 <Aleric> It wasn't just a comment :p
2014-05-23 19:21 <Plugh> Use m_log? 
2014-05-23 19:21 <Aleric> ?
2014-05-23 19:21 <Aleric> What did I just paste?
2014-05-23 19:21 <Aleric>             m_log.DebugFormat("[Compiler]: Compiling script\n{0}", Script);
2014-05-23 19:21 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-05-23 19:22 <Aleric> That doesn't work though, why not?
2014-05-23 19:22 <Aleric> How can I print a multi-line debug string to the logs?
2014-05-23 19:22 <Plugh> Is Script a string object?
2014-05-23 19:22 <Aleric> It contains the stript
2014-05-23 19:22 <Aleric> script
2014-05-23 19:23 <Aleric> I don't understand your question, unless just totally didn't read what I pasted.
2014-05-23 19:23 <Aleric> <Aleric>         public void PerformScriptCompile(string Script, ...
2014-05-23 19:23 <Aleric> note the 'string' keyword
2014-05-23 19:24 <lkalif> Aleric: I see in other bits of the code that apparently log will cut off at \n
2014-05-23 19:24 <Plugh> You seemed to have answered your own question before you asked it.
2014-05-23 19:24 <Aleric> Apparently... so it doesn't work. Remains the question what the right way is to print strings with \n in them
2014-05-23 19:24 <lkalif> Aleric: you can replace \n with space?
2014-05-23 19:24 <Plugh> How much of the output did you get from the call to m_log?
2014-05-23 19:25 <lkalif> Script.replace("\n", " ")
2014-05-23 19:25 <lkalif> Script.Replace("\n", " ")
2014-05-23 19:25 <Aleric> lkalif: that would make the script unreadable :(
2014-05-23 19:25 <Aleric> Plugh: just the first line
2014-05-23 19:25 <Aleric> I showed that too :/
2014-05-23 19:26 <lkalif> Aleric: print it on console? write it to a file?
2014-05-23 19:26 <lkalif> I don't know why they wrote logging that way
2014-05-23 19:26 <Aleric> ok.. how can I write to the terminal from which I started opensim?
2014-05-23 19:27 <lkalif> System.Console.WriteLine(Script);
2014-05-23 19:27 <lkalif> I see in:
2014-05-23 19:27 <lkalif> OpenSim/Framework/WebUtil.cs:            m_log.DebugFormat("[WEB UTIL]: {0}", output.Replace("\n", @"\n"));
2014-05-23 19:27 <lkalif> which replaces newline with literal \n
2014-05-23 19:28 <lkalif> i guess with Script.Replace("\n", @"\n") you can pass log through sed to get newlines back :P
2014-05-23 19:30 <Aleric> What does that @ mean?
2014-05-23 19:30 <AliciaRaven> the opensim log should have no problem with multiple lines, it can print multi line exceptions with no problems
2014-05-23 19:30 <lkalif> literal, don't interpret any \ escapes
2014-05-23 19:30 <lkalif> @"\n" is equivalent to "\\n"
2014-05-23 19:33 <lkalif> Aleric: apparently m_log.DebugFormat limits to single line
2014-05-23 19:33 <lkalif> erm
2014-05-23 19:33 <lkalif> AllenKerensky: 
2014-05-23 19:33 <lkalif> wow
2014-05-23 19:33 <lkalif> I'll stop trying to tab-complete :P
2014-05-23 19:33 <Plugh> What about straight m_log.Debug?
2014-05-23 19:33 <Aleric> {0}, {1} etc prints only string ? How can I print an integer?
2014-05-23 19:34 <Plugh> varname.ToString()
2014-05-23 19:35 <lkalif> yeah perhaps m_log.Debug(string.Format("[Compiler]: Compiling script\n{0}", Script));
2014-05-23 19:35 <Plugh> You can use {0} in there, AFAIK. 
2014-05-23 19:35 <Plugh> Just build a single string to be logged.
2014-05-23 19:35 <Aleric>                             errorPos = FindErrorPosition(CompErr.Line, CompErr.Column, m_lineMaps[assembly]);
2014-05-23 19:35 <Aleric>                             m_log.DebugFormat("[COMPILER]: FindErrorPosition({0}, {1}, m_lineMaps[assembly]) = {2},{3}", 
2014-05-23 19:35 <Aleric>                                 CompErr.Line.ToString(), CompErr.Column.ToString(), errorPos.Key.ToString(), errorPos.Value.ToString());
2014-05-23 19:37 <lkalif> here is justincc, actually someone familiar with the code ;=
2014-05-23 19:37 <justincc> what's up?
2014-05-23 19:37 <lkalif> justincc: m_log.DebugFormat() outputs only first line of multiline string.
2014-05-23 19:37 <lkalif> what logging func to use to log multiline
2014-05-23 19:38 <Aleric> lkalif: that also didn't work
2014-05-23 19:38 <lkalif> also just one line?
2014-05-23 19:39 <Aleric> yes
2014-05-23 19:39 <Aleric> 21:38:16 - [XEngine]: Performing initial script startup on Genesis Debug
2014-05-23 19:39 <Aleric> 21:38:16 - [Compiler]: Compiling script:
2014-05-23 19:39 <Aleric> 21:38:16 - [Compiler]: Compile language is lsl
2014-05-23 19:39 <Plugh> lkalif: That was supposed to be multi-line? Didn't look like it at first read.
2014-05-23 19:39 <Aleric> justincc: How can I print a string that contains \n's to the console / m_log ?
2014-05-23 19:40 <Plugh> Have you tried m_log.Debug("[Compiler]: Compiling script\n" + Script);
2014-05-23 19:40 <lkalif> Plugh: yeah he has, the one with string.Format I put above
2014-05-23 19:40 <Plugh> If that is how string concatenation works in C#. I get mixed up between using of . and + between different languages.
2014-05-23 19:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #3593 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-23 19:41 <Plugh> I'm suggesting you don't use the Format version of the Debug logging call.
2014-05-23 19:41 <lkalif> Plugh: he used m_log.Debug(string.Format ....
2014-05-23 19:42 <Plugh> Why do you need to format anything? Just stick the strings together and spit it to the log.
2014-05-23 19:42 <lkalif> it makes no difference
2014-05-23 19:42 <AliciaRaven> string.format takes twice as long as string + string
2014-05-23 19:43 <Aleric> Plugh: I tried that too, same thing.
2014-05-23 19:43 <Plugh> ok
2014-05-23 19:43 <Plugh> I'm looking for that debug function
2014-05-23 19:43 <justincc> try \r\n instead
2014-05-23 19:43 <Aleric> I guess m_log doesn't like newlines
2014-05-23 19:43 <lkalif> I just converted m_log.DebugFormat to m_log.Debug(string.Format
2014-05-23 19:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3593: SUCCESS in 7 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3593/
2014-05-23 19:45 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix possible infinite recursion in MessageTransferModule.SendGridInstantMessageViaXMLRPCAsync() whilst preserving retry lookup behaviour.
2014-05-23 19:46 <Plugh> hm... it is in log4net. 
2014-05-23 19:46 <Plugh> 
ACTION wonders where to find the sources for that.

2014-05-23 19:47 <Plugh> found it
2014-05-23 19:50 <Plugh> No, I haven't. Just another wrapper around logging stuff.
2014-05-23 19:51 <Aleric> The format of the log output can be easily changed by implementing a new layout class.
2014-05-23 19:51 <Aleric> The target of the log output as well as the writing strategy can be altered by writing a new appender class.
2014-05-23 19:51 <lkalif> it's probably specified in OpenSim.exe.config
2014-05-23 19:52 <lkalif> that's where logging config lives
2014-05-23 19:54 <Plugh> I don't feel like digging that deep
2014-05-23 19:55 <lkalif> I never seen log4not cut off at newline
2014-05-23 19:55 <lkalif> log4net
2014-05-23 19:58 <justincc> try that
2014-05-23 19:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #3594 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-23 20:02 <AliciaRaven> justincc i tried what he is trying to do with out using that mod u pushed, and it works fine
2014-05-23 20:02 <justincc> where did you try it?  It works initially before colourization kicks in
2014-05-23 20:02 <AliciaRaven> just now with a build that i pulled last night
2014-05-23 20:02 <justincc> but that small bug in the colorization appender was snipping off everything after \n
2014-05-23 20:03 <justincc> I mean where in the code
2014-05-23 20:03 <Aleric> justincc: That did the trick! Thanks :)
2014-05-23 20:03 <justincc> cool
2014-05-23 20:03 <AliciaRaven> PerformScriptCompile method in the Compiler
2014-05-23 20:03 <justincc> curious, not sure why it was working for you then
2014-05-23 20:03 <justincc> since it's definitely was an issue in the code
2014-05-23 20:03 <AliciaRaven> i enabled the log line, and it printed the full script for me
2014-05-23 20:04 <lkalif> AliciaRaven: in the log? or on the console?
2014-05-23 20:04 <justincc> yeah, would always come out full in the log
2014-05-23 20:04 <AliciaRaven> console
2014-05-23 20:04 <AliciaRaven> r u talking about the file?
2014-05-23 20:05 <AliciaRaven> just looked at its fine in the file aswell for me
2014-05-23 20:05 <AliciaRaven> both console and file i see the full script lol
2014-05-23 20:05 <lkalif> perhaps you configured console logging without colorization?
2014-05-23 20:05 <AliciaRaven> nope
2014-05-23 20:06 <AliciaRaven> havnt touched logging config
2014-05-23 20:06 <lkalif> anyway, it works now ;)
2014-05-23 20:06 <justincc> Aleric: are you looking at anything in particular?
2014-05-23 20:06 <lkalif> justincc: error line numbers during scrpt compile
2014-05-23 20:07 <justincc> coincidentally, I was just thinking of looking at that myself, since it just annoyed me
2014-05-23 20:07 <justincc> I thought they used to work
2014-05-23 20:07 <Plugh> Melanie said she fixed it three times and someone kept removing the fix so she gave up on it.
2014-05-23 20:07 <AliciaRaven> melanie said she fixed it many times but it keeps being taken out again
2014-05-23 20:07 <AliciaRaven> snap lol
2014-05-23 20:07 <Plugh> :)
2014-05-23 20:07 <justincc> possibly somebody broke it, possibly even me unknowingly
2014-05-23 20:08 <Plugh> Its been something I've been bothered about for ages.
2014-05-23 20:08 <justincc> which is why I like to spend time writing regression tests
2014-05-23 20:08 <Plugh> If we can get a fix in before 0.8 comes out that would be great. :)
2014-05-23 20:08 <justincc> this gets said about pretty much every fix...
2014-05-23 20:09 <justincc> but if it's a regression then definitely
2014-05-23 20:09 <Plugh> This bug is a major PITA for anyone who does a lot of scripting.
2014-05-23 20:09 <Aleric> It doesn't even TRY to look up the line number :/
2014-05-23 20:09 <Aleric> I have this debug output:
2014-05-23 20:10 <Plugh> I have a script of almost 2,000 lines. The error message line numbers were out by hundreds of lines.
2014-05-23 20:10 <Aleric>                         // C# scripts will not have a linemap since theres no line translation involved.
2014-05-23 20:10 <Aleric>                         if (!m_lineMaps.ContainsKey(assembly))
2014-05-23 20:10 <Aleric>                         {
2014-05-23 20:10 <Aleric>                             errorPos = new KeyValuePair<int, int>(CompErr.Line, CompErr.Column);
2014-05-23 20:10 <Aleric>                             m_log.DebugFormat("[COMPILER]: Could not find linemap '{0}'; set errorPos to {1},{2}",
2014-05-23 20:10 <Aleric>                                 assembly, errorPos.Key.ToString(), errorPos.Value.ToString());
2014-05-23 20:10 <Aleric>                         }
2014-05-23 20:10 <Aleric>                         else
2014-05-23 20:10 <Aleric>                         {
2014-05-23 20:10 <Aleric>                             errorPos = FindErrorPosition(CompErr.Line, CompErr.Column, m_lineMaps[assembly]);
2014-05-23 20:10 <Aleric>                             m_log.DebugFormat("[COMPILER]: FindErrorPosition({0}, {1}, m_lineMaps[assembly]) = {2},{3}",
2014-05-23 20:10 <Aleric>                                 CompErr.Line.ToString(), CompErr.Column.ToString(), errorPos.Key.ToString(), errorPos.Value.ToString());
2014-05-23 20:10 <Aleric>                         }
2014-05-23 20:10 <justincc> 
ACTION waits for freenode to kick Alericoff

2014-05-23 20:10 <Aleric> but no debug output is printed.
2014-05-23 20:10 <justincc> Aleric: debug is suppressed for xengine in config
2014-05-23 20:10 <justincc> you need to change that in OpenSim.exe.config
2014-05-23 20:11 <Plugh> Its just a .config change?? 
2014-05-23 20:11 <justincc> no, logging this stuff out is a config change - viewer console would still receive whatever information is generated
2014-05-23 20:11 <Aleric> justincc: I have added more debug output to that same file, and it is printed.
2014-05-23 20:12 <justincc> there are different packages and only the noisiest are turned down
2014-05-23 20:14 <Aleric> justincc: What should I change in ./bin/OpenSim.exe.config to get the debug output to the console?
2014-05-23 20:14 <justincc> search for XEngine and change INFO to DEBUG
2014-05-23 20:15 <justincc> thuogh you're right - those lines aren't in that package
2014-05-23 20:15 <justincc> so if you're not seeing log output, I would have to conclude that code isn't running through that path for some reasno
2014-05-23 20:15 <justincc> namespace I mean
2014-05-23 20:15 <Aleric> nod - still no output.
2014-05-23 20:16 <Aleric> I'll add more debug lines to see if we get near it somewhere.
2014-05-23 20:16 <justincc> Aleric: is it definitely compiling?  If it has compiled once it will be using cached DLL instead
2014-05-23 20:17 <Aleric> The script has an error - it's compiling at restart.
2014-05-23 20:18 <Aleric> http://codepad.org/JVL8oj9d
2014-05-23 20:19 <Aleric> the error is that f() should return something.
2014-05-23 20:19 <justincc> I'm surprised, since iI would expect that to fail at the parsing stage
2014-05-23 20:19 <justincc> since state_entry()
2014-05-23 20:19 <justincc> oh sorry, that is legal
2014-05-23 20:19 <justincc> getting my events mixed up
2014-05-23 20:20 <Aleric> Nevertheless.. let me start with trying to compile it while in world.
2014-05-23 20:21 <Aleric> (I don't get why I have to wait TEN seconds for that one short script to even start to compile.. wtf is the server doing every time?)
2014-05-23 20:22 <justincc> originally there was an issue with a lot of stuff going on at startup, so there was a delay before script engine started
2014-05-23 20:22 <Aleric> Is that delay still there? Can it be removed?
2014-05-23 20:23 <justincc> you can configure it out by setting StartDelay in [XEngine]
2014-05-23 20:23 <Plugh> As much as I'd like to stick around to help with this issue, I have to go out for a bit.
2014-05-23 20:23 <justincc> compiling scripts under heavy load was having problems with highly loaded simulators
2014-05-23 20:23 <Plugh> Good luck Aleric.
2014-05-23 20:24 <Plugh> bbl
2014-05-23 20:24 <Aleric> k thanks
2014-05-23 20:24 <justincc> whether that's still a rpoblem would require testing -it's not a setting I would want to change very shortly before a release
2014-05-23 20:24 <Aleric> well, but on my infinitely fast and unloaded test machine.. its annoying :p
2014-05-23 20:24 <justincc> yes, I get the error in-world
2014-05-23 20:24 <justincc> actually, annoys the hell out of me too :()
2014-05-23 20:25 <Aleric> I do not get the debug output :/
2014-05-23 20:25 <Aleric> This is really weird
2014-05-23 20:25 <justincc> I see the error in world with that script
2014-05-23 20:25 <justincc> hm
2014-05-23 20:25 <Aleric> +            m_log.DebugFormat("[COMPILER]: WE GET HERE");
2014-05-23 20:25 <Aleric>  
2014-05-23 20:25 <Aleric>              //
2014-05-23 20:25 <Aleric>              // WARNINGS AND ERRORS
2014-05-23 20:25 <Aleric> That is not printed
2014-05-23 20:25 <Aleric> THat is in OpenSim/Region/ScriptEngine/Shared/CodeTools/Compiler.cs
2014-05-23 20:28 <Aleric> I have a debug output at the same of that function that DOES get printed (the 'Compiling from assemble:')
2014-05-23 20:28 <Aleric> So, it has to leave this function before it gets to WARNINGS AND ERRORS.
2014-05-23 20:31 <Aleric> In what file do I set this StartDelay? And how?
2014-05-23 20:32 <justincc> in the [XEngine] section of OpenSim.ini
2014-05-23 20:36 <Aleric> Maybe CScodeProvider.CompileAssemblyFromSource throws ?
2014-05-23 20:37 <justincc> tbh, at this stage I would start writing a regression test so that one doesn't have to keep starting/stopping opensimulator and compiling manually.  There were some tests in CompilerTests but these have been disabled for a while and some of the underlying code changed
2014-05-23 20:38 <Aleric> I have no idea how to write regression tests though
2014-05-23 20:38 <Aleric> Takes me 4 seconds to restart the sim now :p
2014-05-23 20:38 <Aleric> 22:38:18 - [COMPILER]: WE GET HERE 3
2014-05-23 20:38 <Aleric> 22:38:18 - [COMPILER]: WE GET HERE 2
2014-05-23 20:38 <Aleric> 22:38:18 - [COMPILER]: WE GET HERE 5
2014-05-23 20:38 <Aleric> 22:38:18 - [COMPILER]: WE GET HERE 6
2014-05-23 20:38 <Aleric> 22:38:18 - [COMPILER]: WE GET HERE 7
2014-05-23 20:38 <Aleric> 22:38:18 - [XEngine]: Completed starting 0 scripts on Genesis Debug
2014-05-23 20:38 <justincc> it's not hard, lots of examples in opensim code and it means once you check a condition, it's not going to get unwittingly broken again
2014-05-23 20:39 <justincc> it can be a bit of a bitch to configure test running though to get useful info
2014-05-23 20:40 <Aleric> grrm
2014-05-23 20:41 <Aleric> Apparently, it exits because of some code I uncommented that should have printed debug output... I'll comment it again
2014-05-23 20:41 <diva> justincc I'm about to send a patch that adds an optional HTTP Basic authemtication to all internal robust services. I talked to Melanie the other day about it, but I don't think you were here
2014-05-23 20:42 <Aleric> 22:42:03 - [COMPILER]: FindErrorPosition(11, 29, m_lineMaps[assembly]) = 9,1
2014-05-23 20:42 <diva> this is so services in port 8003 can be outside firewalls, but still be protected
2014-05-23 20:44 <Aleric> Ok, the 11,29 is correct - and the 9,1 is wrong. 
2014-05-23 20:44 <Aleric> The 9,1 is printed (as 8,0)
2014-05-23 20:44 <Aleric> Hence, either the linemap is wrong or FindErrorPosition is broken
2014-05-23 20:45 <justincc> diva: how much does that help without https?
2014-05-23 20:45 <diva> no help with that
2014-05-23 20:46 <diva> it's just Basic HTTP authentication
2014-05-23 20:46 <diva> no end-to-end encryption
2014-05-23 20:46 <diva> I thought that opensim already supports https?
2014-05-23 20:46 <lkalif> can robust run behind a reverse proxy? 
2014-05-23 20:46 <justincc> honestly, I'm not 100% sure
2014-05-23 20:46 <diva> not sure how to use it, though
2014-05-23 20:46 <diva> and I think those are two different things
2014-05-23 20:46 <justincc> I know there are dummy certificates and stuff lying around but I'm not sure if that stuff is active
2014-05-23 20:47 <justincc> yes
2014-05-23 20:47 <justincc> diva: personally, I think some kind of security on that stuff is a needed step, though I would write a post to opensim-dev first so that Oren and others know what's coming down the pipe
2014-05-23 20:47 <lkalif> I usually setup nginx in front of a http service that doesn't speak https. Let nginx do https and concurrency... and praxy to backend
2014-05-23 20:51 <justincc> the trouble is the naive case where someone sets up a grid.  I suspect a lot of those people do not firewall off the right ports
2014-05-23 20:52 <Aleric>         Program.cs(271,13): error CS0103: The name `m_log' does not exist in the current context
2014-05-23 20:52 <Aleric> help
2014-05-23 20:53 <Aleric> using log4net;    I guess
2014-05-23 20:53 <diva> justincc in my case we need to have the central services on the Internet because we have simulators in both europe and the US
2014-05-23 20:54 <justincc> over a VPN?
2014-05-23 20:54 <Aleric>         Program.cs(272,13): error CS0103: The name `m_log' does not exist in the current context
2014-05-23 20:54 <Aleric>  
2014-05-23 20:54 <Aleric> justincc: how do I fix that?
2014-05-23 20:54 <justincc> put in private static readonly ILog m_log = LogManager.GetLogger(MethodBase.GetCurrentMethod().DeclaringType);
2014-05-23 20:55 <lkalif> you will need using System.Reflection for MethodBase
2014-05-23 20:56 <lkalif> and to reference log4net.dll
2014-05-23 20:56 <Aleric> Thanks :)
2014-05-23 20:57 <Aleric> Ugh,.. no output
2014-05-23 20:58 <Aleric> Ugh,.. there is a DUPLICATE FindErrorPosition
2014-05-23 20:58 <Aleric> horrible
2014-05-23 20:59 <lkalif> did you make a new executable?
2014-05-23 21:00 <Aleric> of course
2014-05-23 21:01 <Aleric> There are just two FindErrorPosition functions, that look the same.. I added output to the wrong one.
2014-05-23 21:01 <lkalif> heh
2014-05-23 21:03 <justincc> this is why ppl copy/pasting code is such a pain
2014-05-23 21:03 <Aleric> It's a mortal sin
2014-05-23 21:07 <Aleric> does 'foreach' not have a break; ?
2014-05-23 21:08 <lkalif> it does have break; and continue; as any other loop
2014-05-23 21:09 <Aleric> Annoying stupid code then
2014-05-23 21:14 <Aleric> Seems the .map file is junk.
2014-05-23 21:17 <Aleric> Yup... the .map file makes no sense whatsoever... So I'll have to look at how that is generated.
2014-05-23 21:18 <AliciaRaven> justincc do u know of problems setting the physics shape type on prims?
2014-05-23 21:18 <justincc> I am not aware of such problems
2014-05-23 21:19 <AliciaRaven> k will check mantis again and report it, keeps jumping back to prim when i try and change it to none or convex hull
2014-05-23 21:23 <nebadon> what kind of problem exactly AliciaRaven?
2014-05-23 21:23 <nebadon> are you talking about Convex Hull?
2014-05-23 21:24 <nebadon> I am quite sure that is not implemented
2014-05-23 21:24 <justincc> alright, I have an approximate fix and I suspect I did break it when I was inplementing co-operative termination
2014-05-23 21:24 <AliciaRaven> when i try and set the drop down to anything other than prim, it changes back to prim again
2014-05-23 21:24 <AliciaRaven> not all the time tho
2014-05-23 21:25 <AliciaRaven> i read that in sl, phantom doesnt help with physics load and u should use physics shape type instead, dont know if that applys to os aswell tho
2014-05-23 21:26 <AliciaRaven> i was trying to change some things to convex hull yes, but also none instead of using phantom
2014-05-23 21:26 <justincc> on CSCodeGenerator line 1145, in the Generate(string, SYMBOL) method, if you add 6 to m_CSharpLine then this regression test I just resurrected passes
2014-05-23 21:27 <justincc> I need to eat, will be back later
2014-05-23 21:31 <justincc> diva: thanks for posting that
2014-05-23 21:31 <diva> np
2014-05-23 21:31 <Melanie_> so you did it :)
2014-05-23 21:32 <diva> I did :)
2014-05-23 21:32 <Melanie_> and what was said above - https is not authentication, it's encryption
2014-05-23 21:32 <Melanie_> https is what makes basic auth safe
2014-05-23 21:32 <diva> yes
2014-05-23 21:33 <diva> orthogonl dimensions
2014-05-23 21:33 <justincc> yes, basic auth is arguably not asfe without it
2014-05-23 21:33 <Melanie_> and also + 1 for nginx, etc
2014-05-23 21:33 <justincc> but then we put sutff in the clear everywhere else anyway....
2014-05-23 21:33 <Melanie_> mono doesn't do secure ciphers and there are no plans to add them
2014-05-23 21:33 <justincc> I'm sure it must implement https support
2014-05-23 21:33 <Melanie_> it does
2014-05-23 21:33 <Melanie_> but only with 5 years old broken insecure ciphers
2014-05-23 21:34 <diva> it's kind of neat to launch a web browser at one of the robust services and get an authentication pop up :)
2014-05-23 21:34 <Melanie_> no tlsv1.2
2014-05-23 21:34 <Melanie_> no ssl3
2014-05-23 21:34 <Melanie_> no pfs
2014-05-23 21:34 <Melanie_> and miguel won't add them
2014-05-23 21:34 <Melanie_> maybe he'll do it in a for-pay product
2014-05-23 21:35 <Melanie_> but opensource mono will not get secure ciphers anytime soon
2014-05-23 21:35 <velus> what mono dont use the latest encryption?
2014-05-23 21:35 <justincc> Yeah, http://forums.xamarin.com/discussion/9098/weak-ciphers-with-ssl-tls
2014-05-23 21:35 <justincc> ho hum
2014-05-23 21:35 <Melanie_> there are several issues with mono ssl
2014-05-23 21:36 <Melanie_> one, the mono tls doesn't support secure renegotiation
2014-05-23 21:36 <Melanie_> it also doesn't support insecure renegotiation
2014-05-23 21:36 <justincc> I kind of don't blame them in a way, since you don't want to be writing crypto unless you're an expert
2014-05-23 21:36 <justincc> but that's a pita
2014-05-23 21:36 <Melanie_> that means that, if mono doesn't know the first cipher the client tries, the connection will not downgrade but instead fail
2014-05-23 21:36 <Melanie_> two, mono doesn't support the new secure cipher suites
2014-05-23 21:37 <Melanie_> openssl does but mono doesn't use them
2014-05-23 21:37 <justincc> alright, really need to eat now, back later
2014-05-23 21:37 <Melanie_> three, none of the key algos mono knows support ciphers able to guarantee pfs
2014-05-23 21:37 <Melanie_> and pfs is becoming more and more a spec requirement for ssl
2014-05-23 21:37 <velus> see you later justinccAfk 
2014-05-23 21:37 <diva> what's pfs?
2014-05-23 21:38 <Melanie_> perfect forward security
2014-05-23 21:38 <Melanie_> it means that saved ciphertext cannot even be decoded if the key/algo is cracked at a later time
2014-05-23 21:38 <Melanie_> the cracker can decrypt present and future packets
2014-05-23 21:38 <Melanie_> but not saved past packets
2014-05-23 21:38 <velus> so im guessing then using mono with opensim would never run on a ssl or https
2014-05-23 21:38 <Melanie_> so things assumed to have been sent securely stay secure
2014-05-23 21:39 <Melanie_> even after the algo is hacked
2014-05-23 21:39 <lkalif> if server private key is made available in the future, you still cannot decrypt communication
2014-05-23 21:40 <lkalif> So FBI cannot record your encrypted traffic and then ask court for the server key ;)
2014-05-23 21:40 <lkalif> they have to do it in the proper order
2014-05-23 21:52 <Aleric>             KeyValuePair<int, int> ret = new KeyValuePair<int, int>();
2014-05-23 21:52 <Aleric> lkalif: how can assign 'ret' a value after that line?
2014-05-23 21:53 <Aleric> Or just by assigning both elements?
2014-05-23 21:54 <Aleric> How do I get the first element of a List<> ?
2014-05-23 21:59 <AliciaRaven> listname[0]
2014-05-23 22:00 <Aleric> I guess a list is really a vector in C#? Not a linked list?
2014-05-23 22:00 <AliciaRaven> keyvalue pair isnt for lists, its dictionarys, is that what u mean
2014-05-23 22:00 <Aleric>         Compiler.cs(765,17): error CS0200: Property or indexer `System.Collections.Generic.KeyValuePair<int,int>.Key' cannot be assigned to (it is read-only)
2014-05-23 22:01 <AliciaRaven> yes, thats not a list then lol
2014-05-23 22:01 <AliciaRaven> its a dictionary
2014-05-23 22:01 <AliciaRaven> http://www.dotnetperls.com/dictionary
2014-05-23 22:01 <Aleric> It's a list when I say it's a list :/
2014-05-23 22:01 <Aleric>             List<KeyValuePair<int, int>> sorted =
2014-05-23 22:01 <Aleric>                     new List<KeyValuePair<int, int>>(positionMap.Keys);
2014-05-23 22:02 <Aleric> sorted[0] works fine
2014-05-23 22:02 <Aleric>             ret.Key = sorted[0].Key;
2014-05-23 22:02 <Aleric>             ret.Value = sorted[0].Value;
2014-05-23 22:02 <Aleric> That doesn't
2014-05-23 22:02 <Aleric> <Aleric> lkalif: how can assign 'ret' a value after that line?
2014-05-23 22:02 <Aleric> <Aleric> Or just by assigning both elements?
2014-05-23 22:02 <Melanie_> you can't assign to the key of a kvp
2014-05-23 22:02 <Melanie_> yu need to create a new one
2014-05-23 22:02 <Aleric> useless
2014-05-23 22:02 <diva> I'm getting a compile error when compiling in mono. I have a subfolder under OpenSim/Framework for the auth stuff -- OpenSim/Framework/ServiceAuth. I ahev have a separate namespace for this classes and interfaces in there, OpenSim.Framework.ServiceAuth. When I compile in Windows, everything works. In mono it says it can't find the classes in there. Any idea?
2014-05-23 22:03 <Melanie_> sortted[0] = new KeyValuePair<int, int>(new key, sorted[0].Value);
2014-05-23 22:03 <Melanie_> diva: did you do the prebuild calisthenics?
2014-05-23 22:03 <diva> oh
2014-05-23 22:03 <Melanie_> an annoying excercise
2014-05-23 22:03 <diva> I did runprebuild
2014-05-23 22:04 <diva> but I didn't pull this, I copied this over from a zip file created in windows, maybe there';s somthing wrong?
2014-05-23 22:04 <Aleric> 
ACTION wonders why Melanie assigned to sorted[0]

2014-05-23 22:04 <Melanie_> Aleric: it's just an example
2014-05-23 22:04 <diva> what do I need to clean up? I already deleted all csproj files
2014-05-23 22:04 <Aleric> :)
2014-05-23 22:04 <Melanie_> diva: nothing else comes to mind
2014-05-23 22:05 <Melanie_> Aleric: you could also use "ret" there
2014-05-23 22:05 <AliciaRaven> if its got keyvaluepairs why is it in a list and not a dictionary
2014-05-23 22:05 <Aleric> I already fixed it now.. 
2014-05-23 22:05 <Melanie_> AliciaRaven: dictionary keys need to be unique
2014-05-23 22:05 <AliciaRaven> ah i see
2014-05-23 22:05 <Melanie_> using a list of keyvaluepairs allows nonunique keys 
2014-05-23 22:05 <Melanie_> and you can still sort it with a predicate sort
2014-05-23 22:06 <Aleric> I don't understand why this code sorts the list at all though... I seems to me that linemaps are already sorted.
2014-05-23 22:06 <Melanie_> however, dicts are so much faster
2014-05-23 22:06 <Melanie_> i would make it a Dictionary<int, List<int>>
2014-05-23 22:06 <Melanie_> to expedite the first level lookup
2014-05-23 22:06 <Melanie_> especially if the list is long
2014-05-23 22:10 <diva> prebuild.xml is hard-coding the subfolders for that dll...
2014-05-23 22:13 <Melanie_> if you need special consideration for files in a deeper level
2014-05-23 22:13 <Melanie_> you need to use exclude directives so conter the recursion on the parent
2014-05-23 22:13 <Melanie_> and then make a separate prebuild entry for that level
2014-05-23 22:14 <Melanie_> recursion will handle:
2014-05-23 22:14 <Melanie_> a.cs, b/b.cs, c.cs -> a.dll
2014-05-23 22:14 <Melanie_> it will NOT handle
2014-05-23 22:14 <Melanie_> a.cs, b.cs -> a.dll, c/c.cs -> c.dll
2014-05-23 22:15 <Melanie_> it will invariably fail to copy the output, c.dll
2014-05-23 22:15 <Melanie_> because the levels don't match
2014-05-23 22:19 <Aleric> Ok... so where is this linemap generated? :/
2014-05-23 22:19 <Melanie_> Aleric: the c# compiler linemap?
2014-05-23 22:19 <Aleric> C# - lsl
2014-05-23 22:20 <Melanie_> it's made in the c# parser
2014-05-23 22:20 <Melanie_> the LSL to c# one
2014-05-23 22:20 <Melanie_> it's done using a parser generator
2014-05-23 22:20 <Melanie_> when it parses the tokens, it tags them with line numbers
2014-05-23 22:20 <Aleric>                 // Its LSL, convert it to C#
2014-05-23 22:20 <Aleric>                 LSL_Converter = (ICodeConverter)new CSCodeGenerator(comms, m_insertCoopTerminationCalls);
2014-05-23 22:20 <Aleric>                 compileScript = LSL_Converter.Convert(Script);
2014-05-23 22:21 <Aleric>                 linemap = ((CSCodeGenerator)LSL_Converter).PositionMap;
2014-05-23 22:21 <Melanie_> and when it re-emits the c#, it adds the line # int he generated file
2014-05-23 22:21 <Melanie_> yup
2014-05-23 22:21 <Melanie_> so error messages get the real (wrong) line
2014-05-23 22:21 <Aleric> So, the Convert function does it?
2014-05-23 22:21 <Melanie_> can look it up in the map
2014-05-23 22:21 <Melanie_> and output the source line
2014-05-23 22:21 <Melanie_> the  map becomes part of the script metadata
2014-05-23 22:21 <Aleric> I'm past that point.. I just fixed the damn lookup code.
2014-05-23 22:21 <Aleric> But the linemap itself is broken too
2014-05-23 22:22 <Melanie_> that may be so. i haven't touched in years
2014-05-23 22:22 <Melanie_> ever since it was broken the 3rd time
2014-05-23 22:22 <Melanie_> i washed my hands of it
2014-05-23 22:22 <Melanie_> the stiff you need is in opensim-libs
2014-05-23 22:22 <Melanie_> another repo
2014-05-23 22:22 <Melanie_> that is where the parser source and grammar live
2014-05-23 22:23 <Aleric> Oh, another repo?
2014-05-23 22:23 <Melanie_> yes, opensim-libs
2014-05-23 22:23 <Melanie_> only the generated files are copied into the opensim source tree
2014-05-23 22:23 <Aleric> How come I can compile opensim then, when I don't have that?
2014-05-23 22:23 <Melanie_> see above
2014-05-23 22:23 <Aleric> I see
2014-05-23 22:24 <Melanie_> the generated source files form part of oensim
2014-05-23 22:24 <Melanie_> but the means to generate them and the sources they're made from are in opensim-libs
2014-05-23 22:34 <Plugh> I'm back
2014-05-23 22:34 <Plugh> Aleric: How goes the battle?
2014-05-23 22:36 <Aleric> Plugh: I determined that a lot was wrong - and fixed the opensim part ... but the .map content itself is the main problem I guess.  That is also wrong and generated in opensim-libs.. Trying to get the source of that now.
2014-05-23 22:37 <Aleric> I suppose thats why you couldn't find Melanie's commits, they were to opensim-libs, not opensim.
2014-05-23 22:43 <Plugh> Aleric: I can help you with that. Justin made some comments a while back and it helped me to understand the compiler stuff and I found where the main LSL to C# stuff originated.
2014-05-23 22:43 <Plugh> Aleric: yea, that's likely.
2014-05-23 22:44 <Plugh> I have opensim-libs here plus the sources for the stuff that is used in opensim-libs.
2014-05-23 22:44 <Aleric> Ok, give me the source file name :)
2014-05-23 22:44 <Aleric> I checked the source code out myself now
2014-05-23 22:46 <Aleric> opensim-libs/trunk/managed/lsl2cs
2014-05-23 22:46 <Aleric> ?
2014-05-23 22:47 <WordfromtheWise> Hi Dear Devs .. one question .. the VarRegion are only working if the grid itself runs the latest version , right ? so it can handle the coordinates of the region(s) .. ? 
2014-05-23 22:47 <Melanie_> yes
2014-05-23 22:47 <Melanie_> and not coords
2014-05-23 22:47 <Melanie_> sizes
2014-05-23 22:47 <Plugh> Aleric: Yes, that is part of it.
2014-05-23 22:48 <Aleric> Plugh: part of it?
2014-05-23 22:48 <Aleric> Tell me where the damn linemap is generated :p
2014-05-23 22:50 <Plugh> Aleric: Some of the items you see in lsl2cs are from the CSTools project. You can find info on that here -> http://cis.paisley.ac.uk/crow-ci0
2014-05-23 22:51 <Plugh> Scroll down to "Compiler tools in C#".
2014-05-23 22:51 <Plugh> Let me see what I can find out about the line map generation.
2014-05-23 22:53 <Plugh> Aleric: CSCodeGenerator.cs in opensim-libs has the definition for PositionMap with the comment before it that says -> Get the mapping between LSL and C# line/column number.
2014-05-23 22:54 <Aleric> http://cis.paisley.ac.uk/crow-ci0 doesn't give me anything
2014-05-23 22:54 <Aleric> can't connect
2014-05-23 22:54 <Plugh> Its slow to load.
2014-05-23 22:55 <Plugh> oh, right. That was the old URL. The new one is -> http://cis.uws.ac.uk/crow-ci0/
2014-05-23 22:55 <Plugh> I managed to track it down when I was digging for the compiler stuff.
2014-05-23 22:56 <Plugh> Oh, I remember what compile issue I was wanting to fix (besides line numbers).
2014-05-23 22:57 <Plugh> It was an issue with variable declarations outside of states/functions.
2014-05-23 23:00 <Plugh> Aleric: I can help dig around this compiler stuff later but I've got dinner coming up soon and I have some other things I need to do before I can get back to OpenSim issues.
2014-05-23 23:01 <Aleric> sure, I have to give my bf attention now anyways, and to bed in 1 hour
2014-05-23 23:02 <Plugh> :)
2014-05-23 23:02 <Plugh> ok. We can pick this up tomorrow.
2014-05-23 23:03 <Plugh> bbl
2014-05-23 23:20 <nebadon> does this mean line numbers thing is fixed?
2014-05-23 23:21 <justinccAfk> I believe this fixes it for most cases but please test
2014-05-23 23:21 <nebadon> nice
2014-05-23 23:21 <justincc> interestingly, global functions still don't work properly, which I'm currently looking at
2014-05-23 23:21 <justincc> I mean, generate the proper error numbers
2014-05-23 23:25 <AliciaRaven> great, line numbers has been something that i was hoping would be fixed soon
2014-05-23 23:31 <H-H-H> yeah thats been driving me nuts to
2014-05-23 23:46 <Plugh> Nice! That's the second thing that's been bugging me. Amazing how you give something a little attention and someone turns around and fixes it. :)
2014-05-23 23:46 <Plugh> I'll definitely be testing that out.
2014-05-23 23:46 <justincc> yeah, not perfect.  This global function doens't report properyl, though that almost certainly has been the case forever
2014-05-23 23:47 <Plugh> It's a start. I can look at what you changed and it will help me and Aleric if more changes are needed.
2014-05-23 23:47 <Melanie_> so finally someone else has taken up the mantle of fixing and refixing friendly errors
2014-05-23 23:48 <Melanie_> but we have a different team now
2014-05-23 23:48 <Melanie_> so i don't know if anyone still thinks a LSL error should spout the whole dump
2014-05-23 23:48 <Melanie_> rather than one friendly line
2014-05-23 23:48 <Plugh> As someone who does a lot of scripting I will have no problem smacking someone if they break it again.
2014-05-23 23:48 <Melanie_> 
ACTION wants to watch

2014-05-23 23:49 <AliciaRaven> would be good to have the exception in the console and the short user friendly error in the viewer
2014-05-23 23:49 <Aleric> justin: I wrote patches for opensim
2014-05-23 23:49 <Melanie_> AliciaRaven: that is exactly what we do in avn
2014-05-23 23:49 <Melanie_> :)
2014-05-23 23:49 <H-H-H> yes that would be nice (short error msgs)
2014-05-23 23:50 <Melanie_> Aleric: did any get accepted yet?
2014-05-23 23:50 <Aleric> What is still needed(?) is opensim-libs .. although, so far I can't find any bugs in it, except for jump labels. It mostly should just work.
2014-05-23 23:51 <Plugh> Until I saw some old(?) LSL script I didn't even know you could use jump in a script.
2014-05-23 23:51 <Plugh> of course it was used in a bad way.
2014-05-23 23:51 <Melanie_> jump is evil, just like goto
2014-05-23 23:51 <Aleric> justincc: ok, that surely isn't colliding with my fixes.
2014-05-23 23:51 <Aleric> If this fixes the remaining issues, then I'll submit my fixes asap
2014-05-23 23:51 <Melanie_> from openssl source:
2014-05-23 23:52 <Melanie_> if (!x) goto error
2014-05-23 23:52 <Melanie_> ...
2014-05-23 23:52 <Melanie_> if (0)
2014-05-23 23:52 <Melanie_> {
2014-05-23 23:52 <Melanie_> error:
2014-05-23 23:52 <Melanie_> ...
2014-05-23 23:52 <Melanie_> }
2014-05-23 23:52 <Melanie_> now that is truly evil
2014-05-23 23:52 <Plugh> This person did something like "if (condition) jump; some statement; jump label;" instead of negating the condition and doing the statement if the if was true
2014-05-23 23:53 <Plugh> at least the jump wasn't in to the middle of some other code block.
2014-05-23 23:53 <Plugh> Melanie, indeed.
2014-05-23 23:53 <Melanie_> i'm srsly not getting over the clusterf… that is openssl
2014-05-23 23:57 <diva> :) what, have you been submitting patches?
2014-05-23 23:58 <Melanie_> no. after i read the code (trying to get advanced crypto into mono) i found this: https://www.peereboom.us/assl/assl/html/openssl.html
2014-05-24 00:00 <diva> errr. I get a warning on that site
2014-05-24 00:01 <diva> "not trusted"
2014-05-24 00:02 <Melanie_> it's just text
2014-05-24 00:02 <Melanie_> openssl probably don't want you to see it
2014-05-24 00:02 <Melanie_> just go past it
2014-05-24 00:02 <Aleric> justincc: I seriously think you should not work this line number problem without first merging my fixes :p That makes little sense.
2014-05-24 00:03 <Aleric> work on*
2014-05-24 00:03 <Melanie_> Aleric: di you mantis your fixes?
2014-05-24 00:03 <justincc> Aleric: ok, well I'm running out of time for this anyway
2014-05-24 00:03 <justincc> but as far as I can see, the bugs are some issues now with matching mapped column/line numbers to the actual compiler errors
2014-05-24 00:04 <H-H-H> interesting reading
2014-05-24 00:04 <Aleric> Melanie: No, because it was incomplete. The "problem" is that I started working on this, and therefore talking about it here - and then justin starts to work on the same subject in parallel :p
2014-05-24 00:04 <justincc> on global functions, for instance, the compiler reports the column linenumber as beginning at the function name, whilst the CSCodeGenerate currently doesn't gnerate a map entry in the right place
2014-05-24 00:04 <justincc> I did tell you I had found the basic problem a good few hours ago
2014-05-24 00:04 <Aleric> Oh?
2014-05-24 00:05 <justincc> 22:24:09
2014-05-24 00:05 <Aleric> Before or after I started looking at it? Cause I didn't start to look at it because I saw you talking about it - but only because I was getting really annoyed by it.
2014-05-24 00:06 <Aleric> <justincc> Aleric: are you looking at anything in particular?
2014-05-24 00:06 <Aleric> <lkalif> justincc: error line numbers during scrpt compile
2014-05-24 00:06 <Aleric> <justincc> coincidentally, I was just thinking of looking at that myself, since it just annoyed me
2014-05-24 00:06 <Aleric> <justincc> I thought they used to work
2014-05-24 00:06 <Aleric> Looks like you didn't look at before I already was :p
2014-05-24 00:06 <justincc> yes, and I got into looking at it, I knew I would find the root problem much quicker, not least because I broke it
2014-05-24 00:07 <Aleric> Well, as I said before - your commit is orthogonal to what I did - but if you still see remaining problems then it makes sense that you stop looking until you also got my fixes.
2014-05-24 00:07 <justincc> what ar eyou fixing?
2014-05-24 00:07 <Aleric> I already did...
2014-05-24 00:08 <justincc> already did what?
2014-05-24 00:09 <Aleric> I'll paste my current diff somewhere...
2014-05-24 00:09 <diva> Melanie_ wow :)
2014-05-24 00:09 <diva> that's funny
2014-05-24 00:09 <Aleric> 02:08:26 - [COMPILER]: FindErrorPosition(11, 29, m_lineMaps[assembly]) = 11,1
2014-05-24 00:09 <Melanie_> Aleric: to get patches into opensim, mantis them, please
2014-05-24 00:09 <Aleric> That is now correct!
2014-05-24 00:09 <Aleric> So your patch certainly helped
2014-05-24 00:10 <Aleric> Melanie_: sigh
2014-05-24 00:10 <Aleric> over IQ 130 remarks please, I'm not that stupid :p
2014-05-24 00:11 <Melanie_> 
ACTION is not in the habit of talking about or comparing IQs

2014-05-24 00:11 <Aleric> Well, you repeated yourself three times - and it's pretty obvious whats going on and why I didn't submit anything to mantis yet. I also think that justincc and me have a good understanding and communication.
2014-05-24 00:13 <Aleric> ssh 
2014-05-24 00:13 <diva> that was written in 2009. 
2014-05-24 00:13 <Melanie_> diva: except for the "i told you so" part. that was added post-heartbleed
2014-05-24 00:14 <Melanie_> and no, openssl is still that bad
2014-05-24 00:14 <diva> yeah
2014-05-24 00:14 <Plugh> Bad code implementation or the whole way is does the secure connection is bad?
2014-05-24 00:14 <justincc> Aleric: well, I'm not going to get much more done tonight anyway.  I'm approaching a fix for the error issue with global functions not returning, but it's more difficult because the function SYMBOL node is not broken down int he right way
2014-05-24 00:15 <justincc> so I would expect most fixes to involve CSCodeGenerator and the way it adds stuff to the map
2014-05-24 00:15 <Aleric> It works for now
2014-05-24 00:15 <Aleric> for me*
2014-05-24 00:15 <Plugh> Aleric: I'll have to give that a try shortly. I have some big scripts where the line numbers were seriously way off.
2014-05-24 00:15 <Aleric> I can only test more complex scripts once I added it to my real sim.. I need a few days to test it.
2014-05-24 00:16 <justincc> and the global functio nissue almost certainly is an existing problem and not a regression
2014-05-24 00:16 <Aleric> Can't you just wait until I posted my patches?
2014-05-24 00:16 <justincc> well, what are yuou patching?
2014-05-24 00:16 <Aleric> ok... so, let me paste that hold on
2014-05-24 00:17 <Plugh> Aleric: I have a standalone for git master so i can test things when I need to. If there other patches to test, I can do that (tomorrow). Still have some other things I need to finish today.
2014-05-24 00:17 <Aleric> justincc: http://codepad.org/iVlgOFSv
2014-05-24 00:18 <Aleric> that is my current 'git diff'
2014-05-24 00:18 <justincc> I don't see much there except sorting the map, which doesn't do anything
2014-05-24 00:19 <Aleric> It was already sorted
2014-05-24 00:19 <justincc> so what is the patch trying to do?
2014-05-24 00:19 <Aleric> I doubt that was necessary, but if you look closer - it was sorted wrongly - messing up colums.
2014-05-24 00:19 <Aleric> The sort algo would reverse the column numbers.
2014-05-24 00:19 <justincc> doens't make any difference, since afaik it doens't require sorting to retrieve data
2014-05-24 00:19 <Aleric> I fixed FindErrorPosition
2014-05-24 00:19 <justincc> the whole sorting part might be redundant for all I know
2014-05-24 00:19 <Aleric> huh
2014-05-24 00:19 <justincc> ok
2014-05-24 00:20 <Aleric> yes probably like I said..... but it WAS wrong.
2014-05-24 00:20 <justincc> might even be completely deletable :)
2014-05-24 00:20 <Aleric> I rather fixed the sorting then removing it.. cause I don't know if the sorting is necessary in SOME cases.
2014-05-24 00:20 <Melanie_> mea culpa
2014-05-24 00:20 <Melanie_> i didn't even consider column positions
2014-05-24 00:21 <Melanie_> because i don't use them when debugging
2014-05-24 00:21 <Melanie_> since every editor seems to have a different notion of hard tabs vs. columns
2014-05-24 00:21 <Aleric> That's what I said... this does make a difference: the old sorting ignored the column numbers, reversing them in order (or not, depending on the underlaying sort algorithm) - and therefore completely screwing up the columns.
2014-05-24 00:21 <Plugh> Line numbers are more important but column numbers can also be useful to have at times.
2014-05-24 00:21 <Melanie_> so that sort booboo is mine
2014-05-24 00:21 <Aleric> But I made a much more important change.
2014-05-24 00:22 <Melanie_> and the column fox is valid and needed
2014-05-24 00:22 <Melanie_> fix*
2014-05-24 00:22 <Aleric> justincc: The foreach (KeyValuePair<int, int> cspos in sorted)   loop was totally borked.
2014-05-24 00:22 <Aleric> nonsense
2014-05-24 00:22 <Aleric> I rewrote it.
2014-05-24 00:22 <Melanie_> yes. i wrote the bugged original, is what i said
2014-05-24 00:23 <justincc> I doubt that ordering is needed, but I couldn't say for sure since I haven't gone through the code with a tootheye yet
2014-05-24 00:23 <Aleric> This now returns the last position of the LSL file before the returned error, instead of the some more or less in the neighborhood (but possible one or more lines off) in terms of the C# line number of column
2014-05-24 00:23 <justincc> all the line/col stuff is put in by CSCodeGenerator, that's where I think youi would want to look for remaining issues
2014-05-24 00:23 <justincc> maybe I'm wrong
2014-05-24 00:23 <Aleric> Old code:
2014-05-24 00:24 <Aleric> -            return new KeyValuePair<int, int>(l, c);
2014-05-24 00:24 <Aleric> new code:
2014-05-24 00:24 <Aleric> +            positionMap.TryGetValue(new KeyValuePair<int, int>(l, c), out ret);
2014-05-24 00:24 <Aleric> +            return ret;
2014-05-24 00:24 <Melanie_> justincc: my old code would ignore column
2014-05-24 00:24 <Aleric> not sure why you say "this does nothing"
2014-05-24 00:24 <justincc> ok
2014-05-24 00:24 <Melanie_> justincc: i only printed line numbers anyway so i didn't care
2014-05-24 00:24 <justincc> as I said, I havne't looked throuhg it in detail as ofyet
2014-05-24 00:24 <Aleric> not to mention that I rewrote the foreach loop thus.
2014-05-24 00:24 <Aleric> That was totally borked
2014-05-24 00:24 <Melanie_> justincc: Aleric fixed that
2014-05-24 00:24 <justincc> ok
2014-05-24 00:25 <Aleric> What the old code did was advance 
2014-05-24 00:25 <Aleric> oops
2014-05-24 00:25 <Plugh> 
ACTION saves the patch so he can include that in some testing later on.

2014-05-24 00:25 <Aleric> What the old code did was advance 'l' (the C# line) while l was less than the current line in the .map, but as soon as it became equal, l wasn't updated - only c was updated :/
2014-05-24 00:26 <Aleric> So, if map contained:  5,30,10,20   (C# line 3 col 30 <--> LSL line 20 col 20)
2014-05-24 00:26 <Aleric> and you had before that: 4,...
2014-05-24 00:27 <Aleric> and the error is at line 5 col 32
2014-05-24 00:27 <Aleric> then it would return line 4, col 30 (assuming the sorting is fixed, otherwise that was wrong too)
2014-05-24 00:27 <Aleric> with my changes it returns line 10 col 20
2014-05-24 00:28 <justincc> ok, clearly I do need to look at this more closely when I'm fresh
2014-05-24 00:28 <justincc> I very probably won't be doing more work (or any) over the weekend, but I'll ping you on monday before doing much further
2014-05-24 00:28 <Aleric> I'll add it to the mantis tomorrow, it's my bedtime too.
2014-05-24 00:28 <justincc> though I may complete fixing this global function definition issue
2014-05-24 00:28 <Aleric> oh ok, by then it will be tested and added to the mantis
2014-05-24 00:28 <osmantis> Bug #7187:04 Too Many Open Files? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7187 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-24 00:28 <justincc> though at the same time I really just want to concentrate on remaining regressions and finally crank out the next RC
2014-05-24 00:28 <justincc> ok, cool
2014-05-24 00:29 <Plugh> Aleric, which mantis?
2014-05-24 00:29 <justincc> ok, I'm going to go rest now, goodnight folks
2014-05-24 00:29 <Plugh> He leaves so fast you can't even say good night to him. :)
2014-05-24 00:30 <Plugh> Aleric: I want to make sure I'm monitoring the report so I can help with testing any patches.
2014-05-24 00:32 <Aleric> Plugh: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6764
2014-05-24 00:32 <Plugh> ok, I am monitoring it.
2014-05-24 00:33 <Plugh> Later on I could look at ways to improve the regression testing for the problem.
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2014-05-24 02:11 <osmantis> Bug #7188:04 llClientview Exception. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7188 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-24 03:26 <djphil> Nobody knows if llSetInventoryPermMask (god mode) operates in OpenSim
2014-05-24 03:27 <djphil> it seems not work ...
2014-05-24 03:28 <djphil> and no hightligted by viewer script editor ^^
2014-05-24 03:32 <Plugh> I ran across at least one other function that wasn't recognized by the script editor.
2014-05-24 03:34 <djphil> yes me too, I reported several non highligted functions
2014-05-24 03:34 <djphil> but regarding llSetInventoryPermMask, it appears that in addition it does not work
2014-05-24 03:36 <djphil> and yesterday i try to use BulletSim specific functions (with modeinvoke actived) and i can't compile anything ;s All BulletSim return compile error "does not exist in the current context"
2014-05-24 03:38 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/BulletSim/ScriptFunctions
2014-05-24 03:45 <nebadon> can i see your script djphil?
2014-05-24 03:45 <djphil> ho juste this in state_entry ...
2014-05-24 03:45 <djphil> physGetEngineType()
2014-05-24 03:46 <djphil> or for perm mask ?
2014-05-24 03:47 <nebadon> hmm
2014-05-24 03:47 <nebadon> i dont think that is right
2014-05-24 03:48 <djphil> it's correctly highlited  yet ..
2014-05-24 03:48 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsGetPhysicsEngineType
2014-05-24 03:48 <djphil> mom i connect to my sim
2014-05-24 03:49 <nebadon> ive never used these functions though
2014-05-24 03:52 <djphil> osGetPhysicsEngineType work ...
2014-05-24 03:52 <djphil> so i try to make same for this : physGetPhysicsParameter
2014-05-24 03:52 <djphil> remplaced by osGetPhysicsParameter ...
2014-05-24 03:53 <djphil> and no work and no highligted
2014-05-24 03:53 <nebadon> hmm
2014-05-24 03:53 <djphil> yes, hmm mmm
2014-05-24 03:53 <nebadon> ya no mention of OSSL for those
2014-05-24 03:53 <djphil> exact isn't in OSSL
2014-05-24 03:54 <djphil> I was just thinking that all these functions were not ossl but specifics were bulletsim
2014-05-24 03:54 <djphil> physSetPhysicsParameter(PHYS_LINKSET_TYPE_COMPOUND, 1));
2014-05-24 03:54 <djphil> physSetLinksetType(PHYS_LINKSET_TYPE_COMPOUND));
2014-05-24 03:55 <djphil> physSetCenterOfMass(PHYS_LINK_TYPE_FIXED));
2014-05-24 03:55 <djphil> physChangeLinkParams(LINK_SET, [PHYS_PARAM_LINK_TYPE]));
2014-05-24 03:56 <djphil> as there is no example for these functions, I do not really know how to use them correctly
2014-05-24 03:57 <djphil> I would have liked to test this
2014-05-24 06:03 <djphil> any infos about 01llSetInventoryPermMask01 ?
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2014-05-24 14:16 <osmantis> Bug #6764:04 Mono debug line numbers are completely off 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6764 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-05-24 14:19 <osmantis> Bug #6764:04 Mono debug line numbers are completely off 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6764 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-24 14:22 <smxy> It'll be nice to have that fixed, Aleric. Thanks!
2014-05-24 14:34 <Aleric> smxy: I'm not sure this code is even reached after justin's fix :p. The code that I fixed is only used when an error is returned from the mono compiler for a line,column that was generated in the positionMap.
2014-05-24 14:35 <Aleric> Not sure how often that happens... And if it happens, then I'd have to see examples before I know if the current solution is the best one...
2014-05-24 14:36 <Aleric> I suppose that in that case you can only write heuristic code to get near the real error... so it depends on the reason why something like that would normally happen.
2014-05-24 14:36 <Aleric> err.. that was NOT* generated in the positionMap
2014-05-24 15:52 <Aleric> omg - I found a bug that allowed me to become 3 meter tall!
2014-05-24 16:03 <lkalif> big boy ;)
2014-05-24 16:04 <LiruCookies> Aleric: Seriously?
2014-05-24 16:05 <paulieflomar> attack of the giant Aleric! 
2014-05-24 17:14 <osmantis> Bug #7189:04 SCENEGRAPH warning messages 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7189 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-24 17:16 <osmantis> Bug #7149:04 infinite recursion loop in SendGridInstantMessageViaXMLRPCAsync() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7149 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-05-25 12:05 <osmantis> Bug #7190:04 [MAP IMAGE CONNECTOR] error message  no map graphics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7190 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-25 12:25 <osmantis> Bug #7190:04 [MAP IMAGE CONNECTOR] error message  no map graphics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7190 ): has been UPDATED.
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2014-05-25 13:24 <osmantis> Bug #7176:04 Sit camera not working correctly when prim the camera settings applied to is not root 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7176 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2014-05-25 14:59 <LiruCookies> orenh: Can you put default body parts in that Current Outfit folder at creation time?
2014-05-25 15:00 <LiruCookies> Is that still an issue? It was last time I created an account, you start out without working body parts.
2014-05-25 15:00 <LiruCookies> But I guess that was nearly a year ago now.
2014-05-25 15:00 <orenh> I just added a few empty folders; this has nothing to do with the default avatar
2014-05-25 15:01 <LiruCookies> Ah, okay
2014-05-25 15:01 <LiruCookies> Empty folders are good.
2014-05-25 15:04 <lkalif> fun fact: Linden servers don't create Trash folder when account is created on the web site
2014-05-25 15:04 <lkalif> the viewer makes it on the first login
2014-05-25 15:05 <lkalif> discovered this the hard way as Radegast users were complainging about not being able to delete anything.
2014-05-25 15:05 <LiruCookies> Ouch
2014-05-25 15:05 <lkalif> Those that have never used a viewer other than Radegast
2014-05-25 15:06 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Do you know which file the viewer creates it in? llstartup?
2014-05-25 15:07 <lkalif> I haven't looked into the viewer code. I just tested with Radegast-
2014-05-25 15:07 <lkalif> Also, the login response will give you initial outfit folder id.
2014-05-25 15:07 <Plugh> What battle are you fighting this morning?
2014-05-25 15:07 <lkalif> Plugh: talking how new accounts work on Linden grid.
2014-05-25 15:08 <lkalif> So the account gets created without any clothing.
2014-05-25 15:08 <Plugh> ah, ok
2014-05-25 15:08 <lkalif> But in the login response you get folder id of the initial outfit from the library.
2014-05-25 15:08 <lkalif> the one user picked
2014-05-25 15:08 <lkalif> So on first login, the viewer will copy that initial outfit from library to your clothing folder.
2014-05-25 15:08 <lkalif> and then wear everything in it
2014-05-25 15:09 <lkalif> Thus populating the COF
2014-05-25 15:09 <LiruCookies> Ah.. speaking of initial outfits, have you seen the new mesh avatars?
2014-05-25 15:09 <lkalif> I have seen the blog entry, but have not tested them
2014-05-25 15:09 <lkalif> any good?
2014-05-25 15:10 <LiruCookies> I saw one of them in Fluffy, it wasn't particularly special, still needing of an AO, but it is certainly way more appealing.
2014-05-25 15:10 <lkalif> I've read someone complaining about shapes not being modify in some of them
2014-05-25 15:10 <lkalif> making things like hover useless
2014-05-25 15:10 <LiruCookies> Yeah, that's weird.
2014-05-25 15:10 <LiruCookies> Linden avatars should really be full perm
2014-05-25 15:11 <LiruCookies> Or at least CM
2014-05-25 15:11 <lkalif> I would understand no-transfer so people don't just put a shop with them
2014-05-25 15:11 <LiruCookies> Yeah
2014-05-25 15:12 <LiruCookies> The way I see it, and this is just my perspective as a furry, shapes should have one giant permission, either everything on or nothing (transfer).
2014-05-25 15:13 <LiruCookies> Because if you can read it, you can copy it all down and make your own
2014-05-25 15:14 <lkalif> Anyway for Opensim, the only thing that needs to happen is to have an avatar in the library and to properly send initial outfit part of the login respoonse.
2014-05-25 15:14 <lkalif> The viewer does all the hard work of making the correct stuff inside current outfit folder.
2014-05-25 15:14 <LiruCookies> Is opensim planning on mesh defaults? That'd be pretty cool..
2014-05-25 15:15 <lkalif> defaults?
2014-05-25 15:15 <LiruCookies> mesh default avatars, rather.
2014-05-25 15:16 <LiruCookies> In the library
2014-05-25 15:23 <LiruCookies> Oh, lkalif, have you noticed I finally got that Object Weights working?
2014-05-25 15:24 <LiruCookies> The advanced land impact./
2014-05-25 15:28 <lkalif> ah, nice
2014-05-25 15:28 <lkalif> LiruCookies: I will merge it into my build and test
2014-05-25 15:29 <LiruCookies> I tried to get it to have the clicky hand on mouse over in my local repo, but I couldn't get that working... I don't think it's all too necessary since I have it underlined and in link color.
2014-05-25 15:30 <lkalif> I'm just fixing up the last branding issue.
2014-05-25 15:53 <LiruCookies> Which is that?
2014-05-25 15:59 <lkalif> linux binary name and icon
2014-05-25 15:59 <LiruCookies> Didn't you just push that fix?
2014-05-25 15:59 <lkalif> yeah but wrapper.sh still calls the old one
2014-05-25 16:00 <lkalif> i'm testing it right now
2014-05-25 16:27 <LiruCookies> lkalif: I like how you even upkept my strace!
2014-05-25 16:27 <lkalif> I've just run the test on all platforms, seems to be working.
2014-05-25 16:28 <lkalif> The Replex Viewer alpha builds ;) http://files.streamgrid.net/replex/
2014-05-25 16:32 <nebadon> is this new viewer project lkalif?
2014-05-25 16:33 <lkalif> It's basically Singularity with a different name and icon ;)
2014-05-25 16:33 <nebadon> ok
2014-05-25 16:33 <lkalif> (so far)
2014-05-25 16:33 <nebadon> cool i'll give it a shot
2014-05-25 16:34 <lkalif> if you're on linux it would be nice to test if it will run at all
2014-05-25 16:34 <lkalif> I've renamed the startup scripts and stuff
2014-05-25 16:34 <nebadon> ok I can test that in a bit
2014-05-25 16:34 <nebadon> currently both machines are in windows
2014-05-25 16:34 <lkalif> cool
2014-05-25 16:54 <lkalif> nebadon: you can cp settings_singularityalpha.xml settings_replexalpha.xml in your ~/.secondlife/user_settings so you don't start with blank settings ;)
2014-05-25 16:55 <nebadon> ok
2014-05-25 19:22 <danbanner> lkalif: what did you have planned with this viewer? 
2014-05-25 19:23 <danbanner> will there be any benefit to using it?
2014-05-25 19:37 <Wanderer_42> lkalif: just a short suggestion. It would be good, to give Singularity its own settingsdir.. So it should not named "SecondLife". As example Firestorm. This viewer has its own one.
2014-05-25 19:46 <lkalif> Wanderer_42: why would it matter? files names are different. plus a shared chatlogs folder is better than having differet chat logs for each viewer
2014-05-25 19:48 <lkalif> danbanner: I plan to do what I have been doing with Singularity. Provide up to date builds for testing and timely releases
2014-05-25 19:48 <danbanner> okay cool
2014-05-25 20:16 <Wanderer_42> lkalif: was afk.  i find it a bit confusing, if other viewers than the LL-Viewer use the same directory
2014-05-25 20:17 <lkalif> I find it more confusing to have chat logs separate for each viewer
2014-05-25 20:20 <Wanderer_42> ok, so this are different opinions. its not so important.
2014-05-25 22:36 <Misterblue> 
ACTION wonders how many people are running 32 bit linux releases... does BulletSim need to build both 32 and 64 in the future?

2014-05-25 22:36 <Plugh> no idea. I run 32-bit Linux.
2014-05-25 22:37 <Misterblue> one person at least :)
2014-05-25 22:37 <Plugh> yup
2014-05-25 22:37 <Plugh> :)
2014-05-25 22:37 <Misterblue> I have 64 bit build environments but not 32bit... I'll have to setup a multi-arch build thingy
2014-05-25 22:38 <Plugh> Wouldn't it compile for the same bit depth as the rest of OpenSIm?
2014-05-25 22:38 <Misterblue> there is a new release of Bullet... the Bullet author left AMD and went to world for Google
2014-05-25 22:38 <Misterblue> work
2014-05-25 22:38 <Plugh> radams changed jobs?
2014-05-25 22:39 <Misterblue> the binary for the actual C++ Bullet engine needs to be compiled into DLLs for the different archs
2014-05-25 22:39 <Misterblue> no... radams hasn't moved (BulletSim is the same place)....
2014-05-25 22:40 <Plugh> oh, ok
2014-05-25 22:40 <Misterblue> the Bullet physics engine's author
2014-05-25 22:40 <lkalif> Misterblue: save yourself some time and install debian 6 32 bit in a vm, instead of trying to do multi-arch
2014-05-25 22:40 <jakdaniels_> while the major linux distros still support 32 bit and 32bit mono, shouldn't bulletsim?
2014-05-25 22:40 <Plugh> I just got a new laptop and am looking at setting up a VM. Question is Virtualbox or VMware.
2014-05-25 22:40 <jakdaniels_> yes, multi arch is a pain
2014-05-25 22:41 <Plugh> um... bbl. My dinner is ready.
2014-05-25 22:41 <Misterblue> that's why I usually say "BulletSim" to make clear that the OpenSimulator adaptor for the Bullet physics engine is different than the physics engine itself
2014-05-25 22:42 <Misterblue> lkalif... doesn't matter where I install the 32 bit image... I have to set up SOMETHING to do the builds in both environments
2014-05-25 22:42 <lkalif> In my experience building on Debian 6 virtual machines is the way to go as those binaries will run on most Linux distros
2014-05-25 22:42 <jakdaniels_> except centos 5 ;-)
2014-05-25 22:42 <lkalif> Misterblue: you want to build on something old
2014-05-25 22:43 <Misterblue> lkalif: there have been problems with different libraries on the different OS'es... something old and something new...
2014-05-25 22:43 <Misterblue> distribution working across all the different Linux distributions is non-trivial
2014-05-25 22:44 <lkalif> I know, I build viewers that are supposed to be downloaded as binaries and run on distros
2014-05-25 22:45 <lkalif> We manage to make it work most of the time
2014-05-25 22:45 <Misterblue> I have two old Atom based systems.. I can make one 32 and one 64...
2014-05-25 22:45 <Misterblue> wouldn't fix all the CentOS vs RedHat vs Ubuntu library differences but would be a start
2014-05-25 22:46 <Misterblue> I had considered setting up an AWS account so I could us all their images and build on all of them (the 'free' level would let me build without putting out much money)
2014-05-25 22:46 <Misterblue> but that is learning a bunch of interfaces and building/debugging scripts
2014-05-25 22:46 <jakdaniels_> would there be any benefits in providing a static compiled version of it? Take all the headache out of dependent libraries. It only runs in one thread doesn't it?
2014-05-25 22:47 <lkalif> why not intsll it on your own machine?
2014-05-25 22:47 <Misterblue> or figuring out Jenkins, etc... sigh... just work
2014-05-25 22:47 <lkalif> virtual box is free, takes like 15 min to install debian
2014-05-25 22:49 <Misterblue> jakdaniels_, I haven't had much luck with pure static... and the Bullet physics engine uses a lot of the Linux libraries... 
2014-05-25 22:50 <Misterblue> more work than I've found worth my time...
2014-05-25 22:50 <Misterblue> I'd prefer to send my 'OpenSim time' on fixing OpenSim bugs
2014-05-25 22:52 <jakdaniels_> true, tweaking Makefiles and chasing dependencies to build both dynamic and static can take some time
2014-05-25 22:53 <jakdaniels_> but lkalif is right, use a slightly older distro to build on, it'll work on newer ones, the same is not true the other way round
2014-05-25 23:09 <zadarkAlt1> I also use a 32 bit Linux, low cost home standalone.
2014-05-25 23:19 <Plugh> I found VMWare confusing when trying to figure out which package I needed and how to get it set up. I'll give Virtualbox a try as I haven't ever tried to use it before now.
2014-05-25 23:20 <Plugh> The people at the store where I got my new laptop said that it might void the warranty to remove Windows from the machine so I figured I could run Linux in a VM and avoid the issue.
2014-05-25 23:20 <Plugh> Also gives me an excuse to try out a VM system.
2014-05-25 23:20 <Plugh> The new machine also is one of those dreaded UEFI booting ones. You don't even see any BIOS messages during boot.
2014-05-25 23:22 <lkalif> there is probably a setting to disable uefi secure boot
2014-05-25 23:23 <jakdaniels_> I guess its got windows 8.1 on it then? I think M$ made it mandatory that hardware boots UEFI to be windows compatible
2014-05-25 23:24 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: Yup. Wasn't that nice of them. :P
2014-05-25 23:25 <Plugh> ha! Keep hitting F2 when it starts up and you can get to the BIOS.
2014-05-25 23:31 <Plugh> 
ACTION wonders why they still call them laptops since you can't really have them in your lap without blocking the ventilation holes on the underside of the machine

2014-05-25 23:32 <Plugh> So far I have mostly spent my time removing most of the pre-installed software for whicih I have no use.
2014-05-25 23:33 <jakdaniels_> thats the problem these days with any pc or laptop package you might buy at a store or from major vendors like dell...
2014-05-25 23:33 <jakdaniels_> so much crapware...
2014-05-25 23:33 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-05-25 23:34 <Plugh> There was so many tiles on the start screen they didn't all fit. I removed about 2/3 of them and added some tiles of my own for admin type stuff. The tiles on the start screen now fill only half the screen width.
2014-05-25 23:38 <Plugh> This machine came with something called Pokki which is going to make using Win8 a little better. It adds a sort of Start menu feature to the system with a set of favourites. Will be easier and quicker to get access to the programs I use most.
2014-05-25 23:41 <jakdaniels_> There is also Classic Shell which works well on win 8. Gives you a more win7/XP experience for all the explorer/desktop/shell stuff
2014-05-25 23:42 <Plugh> Oh, ok. I think I have heard of that before but I wasn't paying much attention to win8 information as I had had no intention of getting Win8.
2014-05-25 23:43 <danbanner> i use http://www.iobit.com/iobitstartmenu8.php
2014-05-25 23:46 <lkalif> I use the genuine thing. (Windows 7 :P)
2014-05-25 23:49 <Plugh> :)
2014-05-25 23:49 <Plugh> My desktop is still on XP (when it is running WIndows). :)
2014-05-25 23:50 <jakdaniels_> I'm gonna avoid win 8.... for me win98 was ok, winME was bad. winXP was good, vista was a nightmare. Win7 is good, win8 threw a curve ball with Metro, suddenly everyone has to waste time learning something new, just to able to do the same things they're used to
2014-05-25 23:51 <jakdaniels_> I'm still running XP on this desktop... and win7 not win8 will be next :)
2014-05-25 23:51 <danbanner> maybe windows 9 will get it right?
2014-05-25 23:51 <Plugh> I went from Win 95 to WinME and it was at least as good as 95. XP has been ok for me. I had Vista on the laptop that died. Never tried 7
2014-05-25 23:51 <jakdaniels_> yup, thats what i'm thinking/hoping
2014-05-25 23:52 <Plugh> yeah. About every second version has been generally called "good". Like the Star Trek movies.
2014-05-25 23:52 <jakdaniels_> lol
2014-05-25 23:52 <jakdaniels_> i actually just finished watching Star Trek: Into Darkness this eveing
2014-05-25 23:53 <Plugh> ah. ok. Haven't see that yet.
2014-05-25 23:53 <danbanner> i still have a copy of windows chicago lol
2014-05-25 23:53 <Plugh> The every second one was for the original series of ST movies.
2014-05-25 23:53 <Plugh> I've just download a bunch of viewers for use under Windows.
2014-05-25 23:56 <Plugh> wow. They don't make it easy to get startmenu8.
2014-05-25 23:57 <Plugh> That page takes you to another page that has a couple of links to download it if you don't get tricked by all the much larger "DOWNLOAD" buttons. :P
2014-05-25 23:57 <jakdaniels_> chicago, wasn't that the first beta tests of win nt3.5?
2014-05-25 23:58 <jakdaniels_> yeah, you hit download, then realise you're downloading ACME download manager or some crap like that
2014-05-26 00:05 <Plugh> danbanner: ty. This machine looks a lot better now.
2014-05-26 00:05 <Plugh> I can be productive again instead of wasting a lot of time trying to find the apps I want to run
2014-05-26 00:05 <danbanner> jakdaniels_: it was before windows 95
2014-05-26 00:06 <danbanner> yes a beta
2014-05-26 00:06 <danbanner> Plugh: :)
2014-05-26 00:06 <jakdaniels_> ah yes, it wasn't thinking back far enough. It was the switch from 16bit to 32bit
2014-05-26 00:07 <danbanner> yup
2014-05-26 00:08 <danbanner> i got a copy of the first beta
2014-05-26 00:08 <danbanner> not really any good for anything
2014-05-26 00:08 <Dev_Random> not without that 5 1/4" floppy to load from.
2014-05-26 00:08 <jakdaniels_> hehe I bet that would boot up in about 5 seconds even on a VM lol
2014-05-26 00:08 <danbanner> lol
2014-05-26 00:08 <danbanner> dev: it was a cd image
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2014-05-26 14:16 <Aleric> echo!
2014-05-26 14:18 <LiruCookies> echo!
2014-05-26 14:19 <AliciaRaven> echo($hello);
2014-05-26 14:19 <Dev_Random> foxtrot
2014-05-26 14:35 <Aleric> golf
2014-05-26 14:36 <Aleric> Hi Plugh!
2014-05-26 14:37 <Plugh> Morning, Aleric
2014-05-26 14:39 <Aleric> So far all error line numbers and columns are spot on.
2014-05-26 14:39 <Plugh> Nice. How big are the scripts you have used to test it?
2014-05-26 14:39 <Aleric> Up till 1500 lines
2014-05-26 14:40 <Plugh> ok. 
2014-05-26 14:40 <Plugh> Aleric: The fix needs justins recent changes plus your patches from the mantis?
2014-05-26 14:41 <Aleric> I still don't know if my changes are even reached - surely justins fix is the most important one - but I only tested the combination of both, since both are clear fixes.
2014-05-26 14:42 <Aleric> So, yes..
2014-05-26 14:42 <Plugh> ok. I have a test grid running git master. I can test with just Justin's changes as a start and see how that goes.
2014-05-26 14:42 <Plugh> I also have a script of almost 1900 lines I can use for testing.
2014-05-26 14:43 <Aleric> Ok, it would be interesting if you had a test case that still failed with just his patch.
2014-05-26 14:43 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-05-26 14:43 <Plugh> We will have to think of some regression tests to add so this problem doesn't happen again in the future.
2014-05-26 14:44 <Aleric> I think I should make a change to my patch: currently it does what the old code seemed to be intending - but that isn't the most logical heuristic. I'd do it different.
2014-05-26 14:44 <Aleric> I can think of a script that will still fail :p
2014-05-26 14:45 <Aleric> There is imho still a bug in opensim-libs
2014-05-26 14:45 <Plugh> I can think of some hard to spot errors to make a script fail.
2014-05-26 14:46 <Aleric> If you can write the frame work for the regression tests then I can provide a few interesting scripts.
2014-05-26 14:46 <LiruCookies> So you fixed script error lines being broken, Aleric?
2014-05-26 14:46 <Aleric> I don't think there is a need for scripts to be large.
2014-05-26 14:47 <Plugh> Aleric: probably not. Part of the reason line numbers were off is if the input script had blank lines in it.
2014-05-26 14:47 <Aleric> Liru: I was working on that - I fixed everything except one line - which was fixed by justin :p
2014-05-26 14:47 <LiruCookies> Yay!
2014-05-26 14:49 <Aleric> Plugh: ah ok - I never understood justins little fix - I was looking in opensim-libs for that problem, which seemed ok to me (except for the jump statement).  I guess the linemap was generated elsewhere; if empty lines weren't taken into account then that would explain things.
2014-05-26 14:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3594: ABORTED in 2 days 18 hr: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3594/
2014-05-26 14:51 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Allow console output to be multiline by making colourization regex RegexOptions.SingleLine
2014-05-26 14:53 <Plugh> Aleric, yea. I use lots of comments and whitespace so I noticed that was one of the reasons for wrong line numbers. I had been testing the LSL compiler programs outside of OpenSim.
2014-05-26 14:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #3595 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: ABORTED -- last SUCCESS #3593 2 days 19 hr ago)
2014-05-26 14:56 <nebadon> hmm why the heck is Jenkins aborting
2014-05-26 14:57 <Aleric> Plugh: if you based that on a shift in the line number difference when added more empty lines, then I think your conclusion is wrong.
2014-05-26 14:59 <Aleric> The real problems were that the linemap was just wrong. As a result line,col pairs could not be found in the linemap, causing the it to arrive in the heuristic code that I fixed; that code used to return C# lines. Hence, adding more empty lines would change the difference between where the real error is and what was returned because empty lines do not end up in the C# file.
2014-05-26 14:59 <orenh> Jenkins has been stuck for 2 days
2014-05-26 14:59 <AliciaRaven> ive compiled on windows this morning, and i think i compiled on linux after justin pushed that commit it aborted on
2014-05-26 14:59 <orenh> I aborted it and started a new build
2014-05-26 14:59 <orenh> let's see if it works
2014-05-26 14:59 <Plugh> Aleric: I just looked at the actual code generated and noticed it didn't have any of the blank lines of the original. Not knowing how it generated the line numbers used in the messages I could just see that the blank lines could be one reason for things to be off.
2014-05-26 14:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3595: FAILURE in 8 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3595/
2014-05-26 14:59 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Compile the regex that extract categories for colourization just once rather than on every single log.
2014-05-26 14:59 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Add mikemig to contributors
2014-05-26 14:59 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Reactivate regression test TestCastAndConcatString() in CompilerTests.
2014-05-26 14:59 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Get regression test TestUseUndeclaredVariable() functional again, though not yet enabled.
2014-05-26 14:59 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Fix issues where reported LSL compiler error line numbers do not match the script.
2014-05-26 14:59 <osjenkins> * diva: Adds optional HTTP Basic Authentication to Robust service connectors.
2014-05-26 14:59 <osjenkins> * diva: Added HTTP Authentication also  to Groups and offline IM.
2014-05-26 14:59 <osjenkins> * orenh: When creating a new user, create the folders "Current Outfit", "Favorites", and the standard subfolders of "Calling Cards".
2014-05-26 14:59 <osjenkins> * orenh: When taking an object into inventory, set the inventory item's "Next Owner" permissions according to the permissions of the items in the object
2014-05-26 14:59 <osjenkins> * orenh: Prevent login to a region if the Telehub or Landing Point are in a banned parcel
2014-05-26 14:59 <osjenkins> * orenh: When saving an OAR in "Publish" mode, also discard Group information
2014-05-26 15:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #3596 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #3593 2 days 19 hr ago)
2014-05-26 15:01 <Aleric> The most annoying problem I have now is that almost every IM that I receive or send to people end up in my or their email instead of being delivered - while we are both online! :/
2014-05-26 15:01 <AliciaRaven> orenh, the change to regex would effect console printing right? since that commit, my robust on windows has a blank line between every console line
2014-05-26 15:02 <nebadon> I noticed that last night on one of ours ervers too
2014-05-26 15:02 <nebadon> that needs to be fixed
2014-05-26 15:02 <orenh> I don't know, ask justin
2014-05-26 15:02 <orenh> juhttp://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/3595/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/testReport/stincc: there are some unit test failures related to the compiler. See 
2014-05-26 15:02 <orenh> yikes! let's try that again...
2014-05-26 15:02 <Aleric> nebadon: you are refering that what I said, the IMs?
2014-05-26 15:02 <orenh> justincc: there are some unit test failures related to the compiler. See http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/3595/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/testReport/
2014-05-26 15:03 <nebadon> no to what AliciaRaven said
2014-05-26 15:03 <Aleric> :(
2014-05-26 15:04 <nebadon> Aleric I have never used email stuff in opensimulator
2014-05-26 15:04 <nebadon> for IMs
2014-05-26 15:04 <AliciaRaven> ah i said it would compile ok for me, but i think thats because i removed unit tests from my local branch then
2014-05-26 15:04 <nebadon> so I am not much help there
2014-05-26 15:04 <Aleric> This is how my communication looks like when a friend IS Online (and me too!).. in this case I have been online for the past 4 hours:
2014-05-26 15:04 <Aleric> [07:54:28]  Northlander II: (Saved Mon 26 May 2014 16:54:28) hey
2014-05-26 15:04 <Aleric> [07:58:31]  Northlander II: (Saved Mon 26 May 2014 16:58:32) you there?
2014-05-26 15:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3596: STILL FAILING in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3596/
2014-05-26 15:05 <Aleric> [08:00:24]  Timmy Songbird: Hi - your messages arrived as '(Saved..' :/
2014-05-26 15:05 <Aleric> [08:00:34]  Northlander II: User is not logged in. Message not saved
2014-05-26 15:05 <Aleric> [08:00:40]  Timmy Songbird: Are you still online?
2014-05-26 15:05 <Aleric> [08:00:41]  Northlander II: User is not logged in. Message saved.
2014-05-26 15:05 <nebadon> looks like Jenkins is hung up on this unit test
2014-05-26 15:05 <nebadon>      [exec] ===> In Test Method : TestSameSimulatorIsolatedRegionsV2 <===
2014-05-26 15:05 <nebadon>      [exec] Setting up test scene sceneA
2014-05-26 15:05 <nebadon>      [exec] Setting up test scene sceneB
2014-05-26 15:05 <nebadon> oh that
2014-05-26 15:05 <nebadon> that usually means something is wrong with their entry in Presence table
2014-05-26 15:06 <nebadon> the region you are in thinks the person is offline or something
2014-05-26 15:06 <nebadon> thats an old one for sure
2014-05-26 15:06 <Aleric> He's on a 0.7.6 sim, I'm on a current master.
2014-05-26 15:06 <nebadon> it always does this 100% of the time?
2014-05-26 15:07 <Aleric> Yeah, it looks that way
2014-05-26 15:07 <nebadon> hmm
2014-05-26 15:07 <Plugh> what the?? I just saw there are two new patches commited by dahlia to 076PF and yet I don't see them in my copy when I pull.
2014-05-26 15:07 <nebadon> that could mean one of you has a double entry in presence table
2014-05-26 15:07 <nebadon> one of the entries is bad
2014-05-26 15:07 <Aleric> sims are restarted - people relog - days, weeks, pass - this bug remains.
2014-05-26 15:08 <Aleric> So it's not just that one of the entries is wrong.
2014-05-26 15:09 <Plugh> If you aren't running with HG enabled look in GridUser table for entries containing ; and delete them.
2014-05-26 15:09 <Aleric> Well... I hope it will go away when the whole grid upgrades to 0.8  *pokes Abitar*
2014-05-26 15:09 <Aleric> Plugh: I see.. that would be where Robust is running?
2014-05-26 15:10 <Plugh> The UserID field of GridUser is the one to check.
2014-05-26 15:10 <AliciaRaven> Aleric, im to email isnt part of core opensim, the problem must be with the php u have for offline messages i would think
2014-05-26 15:10 <Aleric> I don't have access to Robust - only to my own server with my sim on it.
2014-05-26 15:11 <Plugh> Aleric: ok. You would have to check with the person who controls the grid.
2014-05-26 15:11 <Aleric> I never see Abitar online anymore :/
2014-05-26 15:11 <Aleric> I'll poke some people
2014-05-26 15:13 <AliciaRaven> adding offline im to email to the core offline im module is on my todo list, dont think anyone would want it added to core tho
2014-05-26 15:13 <Plugh> I had to remove bad four entries for someone in another grid recently when they had an issue not being able to set their home location or TP to it.
2014-05-26 15:14 <Aleric> AliciaRaven: Although friends are complaining that my IMs go to their email, the real problem is the detection of whether or not they are online - not the email delivery.
2014-05-26 15:14 <Aleric> I'm talking about the situation where both are online.
2014-05-26 15:14 <Plugh> yea, there also appears to be issues with that
2014-05-26 15:14 <Plugh> still.
2014-05-26 15:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #3597 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #3593 2 days 19 hr ago)
2014-05-26 15:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3597: STILL FAILING in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3597/
2014-05-26 15:19 <osjenkins> diva: Adds an optional redirect URL to the asset server handler for when assets are not found locally.
2014-05-26 15:19 <diva> build is failing
2014-05-26 15:19 <nebadon> yes
2014-05-26 15:19 <nebadon> I am not sure why
2014-05-26 15:21 <diva> it started 3 builds ago
2014-05-26 15:21 <diva> 33cc847c4ac78b890f8ac175c479ab1b1c56cbbf
2014-05-26 15:22 <diva> justincc
2014-05-26 15:22 <nebadon> viewgit says that is orenh
2014-05-26 15:23 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=33cc847c4ac78b890f8ac175c479ab1b1c56cbbf
2014-05-26 15:24 <orenh> it's not failing because of me this time :)
2014-05-26 15:24 <orenh> the viewgit you linked to is what I pushed just now
2014-05-26 15:24 <nebadon> ya I think its been failing for a couple days
2014-05-26 15:24 <orenh> but the unit tests that fail are from previous commits
2014-05-26 15:24 <nebadon> look what it said earlier
2014-05-26 15:24 <nebadon> <osjenkins> Project opensim � mono-2.10.8.1 build #3594: ABORTED in 2 days 18 hr: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3594/
2014-05-26 15:24 <nebadon> according to what it printed out about 20 minutes ago
2014-05-26 15:25 <nebadon> its been in a failed state for 2 days and 18 hours
2014-05-26 15:25 <orenh> yes
2014-05-26 15:25 <orenh> that's why so many commits have piled up
2014-05-26 15:25 <diva> two of the failures are clearly related to commits that justincc made
2014-05-26 15:25 <nebadon> justin is not on skype yet
2014-05-26 15:26 <diva> the 3rd one may be related to changes in inventory
2014-05-26 15:28 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/9rxtzdMg
2014-05-26 15:28 <nebadon> this is the failure
2014-05-26 15:28 <diva> that's one of the failures, and that is justin's code
2014-05-26 15:29 <nebadon> ok
2014-05-26 15:30 <AliciaRaven> diva, i think all the errors are in unit tests, i pulled this morning and it compiled ok here, i removed the unit tests from my local
2014-05-26 15:31 <diva> yes. but we don't like builds that fail for a long time
2014-05-26 15:32 <AliciaRaven> i didnt say it was good, just trying to narrow it down
2014-05-26 15:36 <diva> orenh when yuo added AssetsExist in HG Post, was there a reason why you didn't add the same thing for Get?
2014-05-26 15:37 <orenh> that API sends a lot of data, which would be difficult or impossible to send on the URL
2014-05-26 15:37 <orenh> btw, SRAS still hasn't implemented AssetsExist, so unfortunately OSGrid still doesn't use it :(
2014-05-26 15:38 <diva> but AssetsExist uses POST, yes? 
2014-05-26 15:38 <orenh> yes, POST
2014-05-26 15:38 <diva> that would be the same for when you are trying to fetch assets from a foreign asset server, and checking first if they exist in the local asset server (same thing with POST for local asset server)
2014-05-26 15:40 <diva> you know what I mean? AssetsExist wouldn't change when you're talking to the local asset server
2014-05-26 15:41 <orenh> AssetsExist is never called on the local asset server
2014-05-26 15:41 <orenh> its purpose is to prevent unnecessary asset-pushes to foreign servers
2014-05-26 15:41 <diva> I see that. My question is why not do the same for asset pulls from foreign asset servers to local asset server?
2014-05-26 15:42 <diva> if the assets already exist, we can avoid pulling them again
2014-05-26 15:42 <orenh> I think that already happens
2014-05-26 15:42 <orenh> at least, I assume so
2014-05-26 15:42 <diva> I don't think so...
2014-05-26 15:43 <diva> originally I was pulling and pushing everything. Your AssetsExists improves that in one direction. It can improve in both sirections
2014-05-26 15:44 <diva> oh wait
2014-05-26 15:44 <diva> alright, no, I was already checking
2014-05-26 15:44 <diva> ok great
2014-05-26 15:44 <orenh> whew!
2014-05-26 15:44 <orenh> no work is the best work :)
2014-05-26 15:44 <diva> yep! :)
2014-05-26 16:08 <dahlia> Plugh: I've not made any recent commits, not sure what you're seeing in 076PF
2014-05-26 17:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #3598 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #3593 2 days 21 hr ago)
2014-05-26 17:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3598: STILL FAILING in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3598/
2014-05-26 17:33 <osjenkins> diva: Don't report NPC presences.
2014-05-27 00:10 <danbanner> ping Misterblue
2014-05-27 00:10 <Misterblue> pong
2014-05-27 00:10 <danbanner> any idea what this is? http://pastebin.com/7Nn2mZe2
2014-05-27 00:11 <Misterblue> it looks like a bug I thought I fixed :-(
2014-05-27 00:12 <Misterblue> there is some race condition when creating/destroying large linksets that causes this exception
2014-05-27 00:12 <danbanner> before or after 9bae636?
2014-05-27 00:12 <Misterblue> it was a while back... measured in months... I haven't seen this in a while
2014-05-27 00:12 <Misterblue> when does it happen?
2014-05-27 00:13 <Misterblue> RecomputeLinksetCompound rebuilds the linkset after something in it changed significantly in the last tick time
2014-05-27 00:14 <Misterblue> that is the rebuild just before doing this tick's simulation
2014-05-27 00:14 <danbanner> that error occurs on startup
2014-05-27 00:14 <Misterblue> there was (is?) a problem with parts of the linkset being destroyed or in a partial state
2014-05-27 00:15 <danbanner> thats on the latest osgrid build which isnt too far behind
2014-05-27 00:15 <danbanner> how big of linkset do you consider "large"
2014-05-27 00:15 <Misterblue> like I said, it is a race condition... just adding debug statements 'fixes' it :)
2014-05-27 00:16 <Misterblue> thinking back... it was that some of the linkset children were meshes/sculpties
2014-05-27 00:17 <danbanner> should i tack that in a mantis for you?
2014-05-27 00:17 <Misterblue> the problem was that the rebuilding of the child happened asynchroniously from the simulation tick
2014-05-27 00:18 <Misterblue> so a child could have a bounding box placeholder and wait for the later asset to be retreived so the real child could be built
2014-05-27 00:18 <Misterblue> that happened in the middle of rebuilding the linkset...
2014-05-27 00:18 <Misterblue> there is probably a need for some more locks
2014-05-27 00:19 <Misterblue> yes... add it to the mantis definitely
2014-05-27 00:19 <danbanner> okay sure
2014-05-27 00:26 <danbanner> was there a mantis already open for this?
2014-05-27 00:27 <danbanner> ahh 7171 maybe?
2014-05-27 00:29 <danbanner> naw i dont see anything that matches
2014-05-27 00:30 <osmantis> Bug #7191:04 [BULLETSIM] exception with linkset on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7191 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-27 00:59 <osmantis> Bug #7191:04 [BULLETSIM] exception with linkset on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7191 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-27 00:59 <osmantis> Bug #7191:04 [BULLETSIM] exception with linkset on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7191 ): has been ASSIGNED.
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2014-05-27 03:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #3599 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #3593 3 days 7 hr ago)
2014-05-27 03:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3599: STILL FAILING in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3599/
2014-05-27 03:35 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: add locking of PhysObjects while processing simulation
2014-05-27 03:55 <smxy> Misterblue: will that help with 7171?
2014-05-27 03:56 <Misterblue> yes... that is my hope
2014-05-27 03:56 <Misterblue> I don't have a good test case for that but what I fixed is a problem that could cause that crash
2014-05-27 03:57 <osmantis> Bug #7171:04 BulletSim crashed the simulator. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7171 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-27 03:57 <smxy> Okay, I wasn't sure, because you said Justin found it. I did, and he said I should mantis it. :)
2014-05-27 03:58 <Misterblue> sorry... should give credit where it is due :)
2014-05-27 03:58 <smxy> I don't really have a test case for it either. It was just something that popped up.
2014-05-27 03:58 <Misterblue> now I will complain about git not allowing one to edit commit messages :)
2014-05-27 03:58 <smxy> lol, I'm sure I'll live. :)
2014-05-27 03:58 <smxy> Just wanted to be sure you were fixing what I thought you were.
2014-05-27 03:59 <Misterblue> I've been spending too much time fixing mega-regions... I think they have been broken for a long time but I last touched the code so the problem is now mine :)
2014-05-27 03:59 <smxy> Yup. :)
2014-05-27 04:00 <smxy> Next weekend I'll be running another 2K continuous TP test and will let you know if that crash shows up again.
2014-05-27 04:00 <Misterblue> I reverted to an OpenSim from Jan 2013 and found the same bugs there... so megas have just been getting by for a while
2014-05-27 04:02 <osmantis> Bug #7171:04 BulletSim crashed the simulator. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7171 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-27 04:02 <Misterblue> 'load oar' also don't have total mega love either
2014-05-27 04:03 <smxy> megas were always a huge hack.
2014-05-27 04:05 <nebadon> ya honestly I don't quite see the point of mega regions anymore
2014-05-27 04:06 <nebadon> ive completely stopped using them, infact I dont think I will ever use anything but varregions from this point forward
2014-05-27 04:06 <nebadon> 768x768 var is awesome size
2014-05-27 04:08 <Misterblue> people have been complaining about resource usage... have you seen a 3x3 varregion using more than 9 regions in a mega?
2014-05-27 04:09 <nebadon> no the opposite infact
2014-05-27 04:09 <nebadon> for me I had a terrible terrible time with memory usage on megas with bulletsim
2014-05-27 04:09 <nebadon> varregions use significantly less resources than any 3x3 configuration, mega or multi-region sim
2014-05-27 04:10 <nebadon> border crossings work
2014-05-27 04:10 <Misterblue> they are really just one region with lots of objects in it
2014-05-27 04:10 <nebadon> its all relative
2014-05-27 04:16 <LiruCookies> Has it been tested people on all corners of a var region? maybe that is more taxing?
2014-05-27 04:16 <nebadon> i have a grid that is nothing  but varregions
2014-05-27 04:16 <nebadon> its 15 768x768
2014-05-27 04:16 <nebadon> in 3x5 pattern
2014-05-27 04:17 <nebadon> its been fantastic
2014-05-27 04:17 <LiruCookies> nebadon: Is this free for public access?
2014-05-27 04:17 <nebadon> unfortunately not
2014-05-27 04:17 <nebadon> but I do have a setup on OSgrid I one day would like to build up
2014-05-27 04:17 <nebadon> OKC World
2014-05-27 04:17 <LiruCookies> How much access does it get?
2014-05-27 04:17 <nebadon> its 4 region 768x768 vars
2014-05-27 04:18 <nebadon> I cant really give out any public access at this time
2014-05-27 04:18 <nebadon> I can ask about that though
2014-05-27 04:20 <Misterblue> I'm setting up a server so I'll have a bunch of varregions up in the next week or so... connected to OSGrid
2014-05-27 04:21 <nebadon> nice
2014-05-27 04:22 <smxy> you mean 768mX786m, right? The same size as a 3x3?
2014-05-27 04:22 <nebadon> correct
2014-05-27 04:22 <nebadon> I am going to update OKC World now Misterblue
2014-05-27 04:22 <smxy> so you are coming up with the area of a 6x6
2014-05-27 04:23 <nebadon> yes
2014-05-27 04:23 <smxy> oh, you said 15 of them, not 4
2014-05-27 04:23 <nebadon> thats a different grid
2014-05-27 04:23 <Misterblue> what is the state of mono and OpenSim... Ubuntu 14.04 has mono 3.2.8
2014-05-27 04:23 <smxy> ah
2014-05-27 04:23 <nebadon> ive been using mono 3.4
2014-05-27 04:23 <nebadon> works great
2014-05-27 04:23 <smxy> 3.2.8 works fine
2014-05-27 04:23 <smxy> I heard 3.4 had lots of issues?
2014-05-27 04:23 <Misterblue> good to hear
2014-05-27 04:23 <nebadon> been fine for me
2014-05-27 04:23 <nebadon> what kind of issues?
2014-05-27 04:24 <smxy> I'm trying to remember.
2014-05-27 04:24 <smxy> Something about too many wakeup calls....
2014-05-27 04:25 <smxy> I think I saw something about it in the mailing lists at one point.
2014-05-27 04:25 <nebadon> hmm ive not really noticed anything bad
2014-05-27 04:25 <nebadon> ive been running git version though
2014-05-27 04:26 <smxy> I've got to go feed my cats, but then I'll see if I can find what I'm possibly mis-remembering.
2014-05-27 04:26 <nebadon> so it was probably a bit newer than 3.4 release
2014-05-27 04:27 <smxy> If 3.4 is good, I'll want to switch to it. When did you switch to pulling their master? I thought you always pulled the latest release.
2014-05-27 04:27 <nebadon> it depends
2014-05-27 04:27 <nebadon> im always testing different stuff
2014-05-27 04:27 <nebadon> looking for that extra drop of blood
2014-05-27 04:27 <nebadon> lol
2014-05-27 04:27 <smxy> heh
2014-05-27 04:28 <smxy> anywa, I'll see if I can find that reference when I'm back in a few.
2014-05-27 04:29 <nebadon> k
2014-05-27 04:30 <Misterblue> has teleporting to the non-root region in a mega-region ever worked correctly?
2014-05-27 04:30 <Misterblue> seems to TP to the specified region but things are better once you move to the root region
2014-05-27 04:30 <nebadon> ive not really had any trouble
2014-05-27 04:31 <nebadon> oh wait a mega
2014-05-27 04:31 <Misterblue> I won't even go into questions about permissions for telehubs and estate settings in megas
2014-05-27 04:31 <nebadon> ya that did work at one point, and I think it was broken for a while, maybe it got better recently but it may be iffy still
2014-05-27 04:31 <nebadon> it does like a double teleport
2014-05-27 04:31 <nebadon> telehubs and estate settings should work fine
2014-05-27 04:32 <Misterblue> I'm thinking it should refarb the avatars position, etc when the receiving simulator gets the presence in the non-root region
2014-05-27 04:32 <nebadon> however anything outside of the main 256m does a double tp
2014-05-27 04:32 <nebadon> which i think is where it gets breaky
2014-05-27 04:32 <Misterblue> humm... need to find the code for the double tp (or whatever)
2014-05-27 04:33 <Misterblue> it does have to be like a tp because the viewer needs to reconnect, I think
2014-05-27 04:33 <nebadon> ya
2014-05-27 04:34 <nebadon> mega is really bad thing to keep nursing if you ask me
2014-05-27 04:34 <nebadon> I kind of don't understand why anyone would want to use it
2014-05-27 04:34 <nebadon> only justifiable reason is your absolutely stuck on ODE
2014-05-27 04:34 <nebadon> which is also another sort of dead end
2014-05-27 04:35 <Misterblue> there is a camp of vehicle people who have made ODE and megas work for their grid
2014-05-27 04:36 <nebadon> eh ya I am not convinced thats a good enough reason 
2014-05-27 04:36 <osmantis> Bug #7137:04 Often cannot see or cross into adjoining sims that are running in different instances. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7137 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-27 04:36 <nebadon> why not put effort into fixing the trouble they are haviing in Bullet
2014-05-27 04:37 <nebadon> so that their transition is easier
2014-05-27 04:37 <nebadon> fixing megas only gets you so far
2014-05-27 04:37 <nebadon> and then its a dead project again
2014-05-27 04:38 <osmantis> Bug #7010:04 [Bulletsim]  Motor boats and sailboats that worked great in ODE won't move in Bulletsim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7010 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-27 04:38 <Misterblue> I hear where you're coming from
2014-05-27 04:39 <osmantis> Bug #6983:04 Private Vivox voice calls no longer work with opensim and Singularity since about 076 opensim release 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6983 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-27 04:40 <Misterblue> and I can eventualy debug my code to only send terrain patches if they are within your view distance :)
2014-05-27 04:43 <osmantis> Bug #7008:04 Varregion Terrain very slow to load when teleporting in. Much slower than same exact oars loaded on a mega region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7008 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-27 04:45 <osmantis> Bug #7101:04 4 Vivox messages in log file every second if Voice in Land Settings is turned off. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7101 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-27 04:48 <osmantis> Bug #7103:04 Sim Crossings: Walking across sim borders North to South slower and sink into ground compared South to North crossings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7103 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-27 04:48 <osmantis> Bug #7103:04 Sim Crossings: Walking across sim borders North to South slower and sink into ground compared South to North crossings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7103 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-27 04:49 <osmantis> Bug #7137:04 Often cannot see or cross into adjoining sims that are running in different instances. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7137 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-27 04:50 <osmantis> Bug #7046:04 [PATCH] Need console commands to create a new estate and change the estate assigned to an existing region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7046 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-27 04:52 <smxy> What I saw was in mantis, nebadon. In comments on 6789. http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789#c26054
2014-05-27 04:53 <osmantis> Bug #7093:04 Bulletsim: Wrong stand position. Standing on a prim floor, anything on shoes below bare feet are inside the floor. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7093 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-27 04:54 <osmantis> Bug #7046:04 [PATCH] Need console commands to create a new estate and change the estate assigned to an existing region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7046 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-27 04:54 <smxy> we need a command to rename an estate.
2014-05-27 04:56 <osmantis> Bug #6990:04 OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.SceneGraph [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6990 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-27 04:59 <nebadon> smxy
2014-05-27 04:59 <nebadon> looks like that guy is on mac
2014-05-27 04:59 <nebadon> I think his problems are mac related
2014-05-27 04:59 <nebadon> linux is not going to have those problems
2014-05-27 05:00 <smxy> okay. Perhaps I'll give it a try soon, then.
2014-05-27 05:25 <smxy> nebadon: Any settings changes with 3.4 or the same as 3.2.8? We'd added --server and the nursery size thing. Was wonderng if there's anything else I should be doing.
2014-05-27 05:27 <nebadon> ya same instructions
2014-05-27 05:27 <smxy> okay
2014-05-27 05:59 <LiruCookies> nursery size?
2014-05-27 06:29 <smxy> LiruCookies: we add --server to the mono command line and before calling mono we export this: MONO_GC_PARAMS=nursery-size=64m
2014-05-27 06:31 <smxy> As I recall, mono complains if it's too low. Nebadon found that size worked well, so I use it too.
2014-05-27 09:30 <osmantis> Bug #7008:04 Varregion Terrain very slow to load when teleporting in. Much slower than same exact oars loaded on a mega region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7008 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-27 10:00 <lkalif> LiruCookies: "nursery" is a concept in Garbage Collector where newly created objects are put. There are different policies on how often to check if object should be garbage collected depending on thier lifetime.
2014-05-27 10:59 <osmantis> Bug #6990:04 OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.SceneGraph [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6990 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-27 11:16 <frnic> Is there a viewer of choice at opensim yet? I see the frequent builds of singularity are missing - is that something to be concerned with? Should I switch to another viewer at this point?
2014-05-27 11:18 <lkalif> you can play with Replex, which is basically a Singularity with a different name and regular builds 
2014-05-27 11:19 <lkalif> http://files.streamgrid.net/replex/
2014-05-27 11:24 <frnic> thank you
2014-05-27 11:41 <frnic> It has been a while since I fired up my grid. I find that NONE of my script are running now. I am at head and even creating a prim, editing the prim to add a new script and running that script (default hello code only, no edits) and it fails with a invalid SDK version error. Anyone have any suggestions?
2014-05-27 13:19 <osmantis> Bug #7192:04 While editing objects if you hit the up or down error on x or y position it defaults to 512 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7192 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-27 13:25 <osmantis> Bug #7192:04 While editing objects if you hit the up or down error on x or y position it defaults to 512 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7192 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-27 13:32 <LiruCookies> lkalif: That is interesting
2014-05-27 13:50 <lkalif> most objects die young...
2014-05-27 14:31 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Only the good [objects] die young
2014-05-27 16:45 <osmantis> Bug #7008:04 Varregion Terrain very slow to load when teleporting in. Much slower than same exact oars loaded on a mega region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7008 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-27 17:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #3600 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #3593 3 days 21 hr ago)
2014-05-27 17:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3600: STILL FAILING in 7 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3600/
2014-05-27 17:21 <osjenkins> * diva: Fixes a bug where map search results pertaining to varregions  would only send the SW-most corner of the varregions; the other areas, when clicked, would result a blue circle, meaning that the viewer didn't know about those areas. This is still not quite right, as all the areas appear to be in the same coordinates, but it's good enough for now.
2014-05-27 17:21 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Update regression TestInventoryDescendentsFetch() to account for recent commit 1fa3a6f
2014-05-27 17:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #3601 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #3593 3 days 21 hr ago)
2014-05-27 17:22 <nebadon_laptop> justincc don't know if you are aware, but jenkins has been failing for 3 or 4 days now
2014-05-27 17:23 <justincc> yeah, looking at it now.  tests worked for me locally and I failed to realize jenkins failed
2014-05-27 17:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3601: STILL FAILING in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3601/
2014-05-27 17:25 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Temporarily print regression TestCastAndConcatString() script compile errors out to console to get a handle on what's going wrong.
2014-05-27 17:28 <smxy> I have a resident that want me to name his region "Tlon". excpt that the "o" should have an umlaut over it. I cannot, for the life of me, figure out how to enter that character in vi. I've googled and googled to no avail. Suggestions?
2014-05-27 17:29 <lkalif> copy ö into it? ;)
2014-05-27 17:29 <lkalif> Tlön
2014-05-27 17:29 <nebadon_laptop> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96#Codes_for_computing
2014-05-27 17:31 <Dev_Random> so.. looks like the easy answer is to use a Swedish keyboard.
2014-05-27 17:32 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-05-27 17:32 <nebadon_laptop> or do the unix-like keyboard combo
2014-05-27 17:34 <lkalif> danish keyboard (which I use) has "dead keys" so you can combine pretty much any accented char
2014-05-27 17:34 <lkalif> it comes with ¨ key
2014-05-27 17:34 <antont> üïë
2014-05-27 17:34 <lkalif> so you press that and o after, and woopti
2014-05-27 17:34 <lkalif> i guess finns have the same :P
2014-05-27 17:34 <antont> :)
2014-05-27 17:35 <Dev_Random> handy
2014-05-27 17:35 <smxy> I tried copying the letter in once, but that didn't work.
2014-05-27 17:36 <antont> hm that should work i think .. but depends on the terminal &/ editor etc
2014-05-27 17:36 <lkalif> middle mouse button works in most terminals
2014-05-27 17:36 <lkalif> for "paste"
2014-05-27 17:36 <smxy> right, in putty
2014-05-27 17:37 <smxy> I wind up with: [Tlön]
2014-05-27 17:37 <smxy> bah
2014-05-27 17:38 <nebadon_laptop> ok in putty
2014-05-27 17:38 <nebadon_laptop> for your entry smxy
2014-05-27 17:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #3602 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #3593 3 days 22 hr ago)
2014-05-27 17:38 <nebadon_laptop> load the entry so you can edit it
2014-05-27 17:38 <nebadon_laptop> on the left hand side, you will see data under connection
2014-05-27 17:38 <nebadon_laptop> change it from xterm to linux
2014-05-27 17:38 <nebadon_laptop> and save, and connect again
2014-05-27 17:39 <nebadon_laptop> I suspect it will work after that
2014-05-27 17:39 <smxy> Trying to find where to do that
2014-05-27 17:39 <nebadon_laptop> load putty, then select the server your connecting to
2014-05-27 17:40 <nebadon_laptop> and hit Load
2014-05-27 17:40 <smxy> ah, connection - data
2014-05-27 17:40 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-05-27 17:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3602: ABORTED in 8 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3602/
2014-05-27 17:46 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Make CompilerTest add same AssemblyResolver as XEngine to see if this solves the issue with different AppDomain BaseDirectory in local and Jenkins test runs
2014-05-27 17:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #3603 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: ABORTED -- last SUCCESS #3593 3 days 22 hr ago)
2014-05-27 17:49 <nebadon_laptop> any luck smxy
2014-05-27 17:49 <nebadon_laptop> ?
2014-05-27 17:50 <RiRa> no meeting today ? or is ewverybody late ?> so empty
2014-05-27 17:51 <smxy> Okay, that didn't work. But I went in via a terminal session on my iMac and was able to past in the name as someone had typed it in here. That looked fine. When I look at it from Linux, it looks like the weird way I saw when I pasted it, so it must be a characterset issue in Linux. But on the map in FS, it looks perfect. :)
2014-05-27 17:52 <smxy> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
2014-05-27 17:52 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2014-05-27 17:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3603: FIXED in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3603/
2014-05-27 17:52 <osjenkins> jjustincc: In compiler tests, remove the ResolveEventHandlers after test exit
2014-05-27 17:54 <smxy> Thanks for the help. :)
2014-05-27 19:29 <osmantis> Bug #7149:04 infinite recursion loop in SendGridInstantMessageViaXMLRPCAsync() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7149 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-27 19:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #3604 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2014-05-27 19:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3604: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3604/
2014-05-27 19:48 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Stop appending redundant newline to console messages in Robust and pCampbot configs
2014-05-27 20:05 <osmantis> Bug #6764:04 Mono debug line numbers are completely off 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6764 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-05-27 20:31 <osmantis> Bug #6764:04 Mono debug line numbers are completely off 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6764 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-27 20:50 <osmantis> Bug #7193:04 llLoopSound breaks, when called more than one time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7193 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-27 22:04 <smxy> If someone makes an OAR on one grid, without using --publish, then asks me to load that grid into their region in my grid, who owns the result? The owner of the region I load it into (same as the owner of the estate the region's in)? Me? I'm not really sure how this works.
2014-05-27 22:04 <smxy> ... load that OAR* ...
2014-05-27 22:06 <justinccAfk> If it did not use --publish and the owner UUID exists on the receiving grid, then that UUID will own the objects
2014-05-27 22:06 <justincc> If they did not use --publish and the owner UUID does not exist, then the estate owner will own the objects
2014-05-27 22:06 <smxy> No, that owner on this end is a new avatar in my grid with a new UUID.
2014-05-27 22:06 <justincc> If they did use --publish then the estate owner will own the objects
2014-05-27 22:06 <justincc> well
2014-05-27 22:07 <smxy> okay, so their avatar here, who is the estate owner, would own everything.
2014-05-27 22:07 <justincc> So a --default-user switch was added to the load oar command which allow syou to specify a particular owner
2014-05-27 22:07 <justincc> but andisopany has not added it to the wiki page as of yet
2014-05-27 22:07 <smxy> Ah, with that, I can ensure they own it.
2014-05-27 22:08 <smxy> Thanks.
2014-05-27 22:08 <Dev_Random> doesn't it only assign "unowned" assets to the default user?
2014-05-27 22:08 <justincc> Good point, it would only be objects the estate owner would otherwise get
2014-05-27 22:08 <justincc> it would probably be good to have force user options but this hasn't been done yet
2014-05-27 22:09 <justincc> as it's also a bit more jiggery-pokery then subsituting a different default user
2014-05-27 22:09 <smxy> Okay, but anything they were the owner of, on the other grid, they would become the owner of in my grid, by virtue of the fact they own the estate and the UUID of their other avatar doesn't exist in my grid?
2014-05-27 22:10 <justincc> they own the estate on your grid?
2014-05-27 22:10 <smxy> Yes. I made them the owner.
2014-05-27 22:10 <justincc> in that case you can just load without fiddling with other switches
2014-05-27 22:10 <smxy> God.
2014-05-27 22:10 <justincc> if the UUID is not on the receiving grid, the estate owner becomes the owner
2014-05-27 22:10 <smxy> Good*.
2014-05-27 22:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #3605 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-27 22:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3605: SUCCESS in 3 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3605/
2014-05-27 22:21 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Make RegionReady login disabled during initialization message a console messages instead of a warning message.
2014-05-27 22:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #3606 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-05-27 22:25 <osmantis> Bug #6764:04 Mono debug line numbers are completely off 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6764 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-27 22:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3606: SUCCESS in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3606/
2014-05-27 22:25 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Comment out 2 error level debugging message in authentication code
2014-05-27 22:26 <osmantis> Bug #6764:04 Mono debug line numbers are completely off 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6764 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-27 22:33 <AliciaRaven> anyone know why some regions start showing incorrect prim capacity in the viewers about land window?
2014-05-27 22:37 <justincc> AliciaRaven: hadn't heard that before
2014-05-27 22:38 <nebadon_laptop> can you be more specific about what you are seeing AliciaRaven, maybe a screenshot?
2014-05-27 22:38 <AliciaRaven> sure i will creat a mantis
2014-05-27 22:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #3607 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-27 22:41 <smxy> justincc: I make backup OARs of all regions automatically every night. I'm using the --publish option. Am I doing it right?
2014-05-27 22:41 <justincc> if it's backup, you don't need --publish
2014-05-27 22:41 <smxy> Yeah, it's in case something goes horribly wrong.
2014-05-27 22:41 <justincc> as the flag name suggests, it's most useful for preparing OARs that you intend others to download
2014-05-27 22:43 <smxy> Oh, I see. I'd just most likely tell it not to reload the assets, if we needed it. Depending on what the failure was.
2014-05-27 22:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3607: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3607/
2014-05-27 22:45 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Change Assembly verson of OpenSim.Data.PGSQL.dll to 0.8.0.* to match all other assembly versions
2014-05-27 22:54 <osmantis> Bug #7194:04 Total prim count for a region is incorrect for some regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7194 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-27 23:46 <smxy> I just loaded an oar for someone and the region, even after a restart, still says this on the objects tab: Region capacity: 13476 out of 0 (13476 will be deleted)
2014-05-27 23:47 <smxy> But on the next line says the Region capacity is 15000
2014-05-27 23:54 <smxy> Where do I set how many prims a region can support?
2014-05-27 23:56 <Dev_Random> Regions.ini file
2014-05-27 23:58 <smxy> Oh. That's simple enough.
2014-05-28 00:02 <danbanner> MaxPrims = 
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2014-05-28 00:37 <smxy> danbanner: yup, found it. Thanks. Just had to dig up an example of the region,ini file. :)
2014-05-28 00:39 <smxy> But apparently, I'm NOT enforcing the primlimits, as I thought I was. All the prims over 15K weren't returned, even though the simulator said they would be. I thought I had this properly enabled, but I guess not.
2014-05-28 00:47 <osmantis> Bug #7191:04 [BULLETSIM] exception with linkset on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7191 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-28 00:49 <danbanner> smxy: permissionmodules = DefaultPermissionsModule,PrimLimitsModule
2014-05-28 00:54 <osmantis> Bug #7039:04 [VAR] Objects using llSay & whisper have no limits on distance 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7039 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-28 01:06 <Dev_Random> Is there actually code somewhere to return prims?  I thought it just stopped you from creating more.
2014-05-28 01:06 <Dev_Random> I thought that "prims will be returned" thing was just boilerplate on the dialog....
2014-05-28 01:49 <nebadon_laptop> I think autoreturn should send things back
2014-05-28 01:55 <Dev_Random> isn't that just for other residents' stuff?
2014-05-28 01:55 <Dev_Random> I've never played with it.
2014-05-28 02:00 <Dev_Random> nebadon_laptop:   I was belatedly responding to smxy's comment about items being returned when PrimLimit is exceeded.
2014-05-28 02:00 <smxy> I guess I'll have to experiment with it. 
2014-05-28 02:02 <osmantis> Bug #6764:04 Mono debug line numbers are completely off 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6764 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-28 02:03 <nebadon_laptop> yes my point was that I think it only will return the prims if autoreturn is on
2014-05-28 02:04 <nebadon_laptop> but I may be wrong, its been a long time since i used the prim limit enforcement
2014-05-28 02:04 <Dev_Random> got it.
2014-05-28 02:04 <smxy> I thought that was only for other people's prims though.
2014-05-28 02:04 <nebadon_laptop> +-+
2014-05-28 02:04 <nebadon_laptop> +--+
2014-05-28 02:04 <smxy> autoreturn, that is
2014-05-28 02:05 <nebadon_laptop> doh sorry was wiping keyboard
2014-05-28 02:05 <nebadon_laptop> heh
2014-05-28 02:05 <smxy> lol
2014-05-28 02:05 <Dev_Random> ATDT 111-222-3333 +++
2014-05-28 02:05 <nebadon_laptop> love my laptop but its a damn dust magnet
2014-05-28 02:05 <nebadon_laptop> hehe
2014-05-28 04:55 <AliciaRaven> why does opensim not send the MaxPrim setting from region config to the viewer for the regions prim capasity?
2014-05-28 04:56 <AliciaRaven> instead it does a calculation of land area and maxprim and sends that
2014-05-28 05:17 <smxy> Thanks, orenh. :)
2014-05-28 05:18 <orenh> you're welcome
2014-05-28 06:09 <osmantis> Bug #7194:04 Total prim count for a region is incorrect for some regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7194 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-28 08:29 <osmantis> Bug #7193:04 llLoopSound breaks, when called more than one time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7193 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-05-28 08:39 <osmantis> Bug #7191:04 [BULLETSIM] exception with linkset on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7191 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-28 09:00 <osmantis> Bug #6789:04 BulletSim: Consuming vast amounts of CPU 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-28 09:13 <osmantis> Bug #7193:04 llLoopSound breaks, when called more than one time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7193 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007186.
2014-05-28 09:13 <osmantis> Bug #7186:04 Looping Sounds Stops 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7186 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007193.
2014-05-28 10:06 <osmantis> Bug #7186:04 Looping Sounds Stops 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7186 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-05-28 11:38 <osmantis> Bug #6990:04 OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.SceneGraph [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6990 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-28 12:45 <osmantis> Bug #7176:04 Sit camera not working correctly when prim the camera settings applied to is not root 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7176 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-28 12:45 <osmantis> Bug #7176:04 Sit camera not working correctly when prim the camera settings applied to is not root 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7176 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-05-28 13:23 <Aleric> smxy: To enter ö in vi you'd type "^ko:" (<control-k> o <colon>) 
2014-05-28 13:30 <Aleric> I think I should join your mailinglist... 
2014-05-28 13:46 <osmantis> Bug #6764:04 Mono debug line numbers are completely off 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6764 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-28 14:06 <osmantis> Bug #6764:04 Mono debug line numbers are completely off 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6764 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-28 14:13 <smxy> Aleric: I just did that in vi and got a Control-k, and o and a colon. :)
2014-05-28 14:14 <smxy> an* o
2014-05-28 14:14 <Aleric> smxy: It worked for (on standard vim, in debian) :/
2014-05-28 14:15 <Aleric> You need certain support for it compiled in I guess.
2014-05-28 14:15 <smxy> Likely.
2014-05-28 14:15 <Aleric> Is there a mantis for opensim-libs?
2014-05-28 14:44 <osmantis> Bug #7195:04 Bug in line map generation for jump labels. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7195 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-28 14:49 <osmantis> Bug #7195:04 Bug in line map generation for jump labels. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7195 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-05-28 14:50 <osmantis> Bug #6764:04 Mono debug line numbers are completely off 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6764 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-28 14:50 <osmantis> Bug #6764:04 Mono debug line numbers are completely off 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6764 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007195.
2014-05-28 14:50 <osmantis> Bug #7195:04 Bug in line map generation for jump labels. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7195 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006764.
2014-05-28 15:14 <Aleric> Hey Plugh :)
2014-05-28 15:14 <Aleric> Do you know C#?
2014-05-28 15:14 <Plugh> Morning, Aleric
2014-05-28 15:14 <Plugh> No, we've never met. ;)
2014-05-28 15:14 <Plugh> Um... a little.
2014-05-28 15:14 <Aleric> I have this:
2014-05-28 15:14 <Aleric> foreach (KeyValuePair<int, int> cspos in sorted)
2014-05-28 15:15 <lkalif> 
ACTION knows c#

2014-05-28 15:15 <Aleric> which runs over the sorted list of the keys of the position map:
2014-05-28 15:15 <Aleric>             List<KeyValuePair<int, int>> sorted =
2014-05-28 15:15 <Aleric>                     new List<KeyValuePair<int, int>>(positionMap.Keys);
2014-05-28 15:15 <Aleric> Hi lkalif :)
2014-05-28 15:15 <lkalif> hi :)
2014-05-28 15:15 <Aleric> I'd like to run over the positionMap itself
2014-05-28 15:16 <Aleric> I was wondering if I can use foreach on positionMap directly.
2014-05-28 15:16 <Plugh> What type of object is it?
2014-05-28 15:16 <Aleric> Dictionary<KeyValuePair<int, int>, KeyValuePair<int, int>> positionMap
2014-05-28 15:16 <lkalif> heh
2014-05-28 15:17 <Plugh> I think you can do a foreach on that.
2014-05-28 15:17 <Aleric> It's just four values, that can be uniquely sorted on the first two.
2014-05-28 15:17 <lkalif> foreach (var pos in positionMap)
2014-05-28 15:18 <Aleric> just 'var'? I don't need some complex type?
2014-05-28 15:18 <Plugh> There ya go. I was just sure it could be done.
2014-05-28 15:18 <lkalif> Aleric: meet the wonders of type inference
2014-05-28 15:18 <Aleric> lkalif: And how would I access the first element of pos?
2014-05-28 15:18 <lkalif> "hey compiler, you know what this type is anyway, do it for me"
2014-05-28 15:19 <lkalif> well pos.Key will be also keyval pair
2014-05-28 15:19 <Aleric> ok, so pos.Value.Value for the last one I guess.
2014-05-28 15:19 <lkalif> so you will have pos,Key.Key and pos.Key.Value
2014-05-28 15:19 <lkalif> yep
2014-05-28 15:19 <Aleric> thanks!
2014-05-28 15:20 <lkalif> Aleric: type inference is letting compiler define obvious type
2014-05-28 15:20 <Plugh> Aleric: If you want to make a patch of the last change in your tree you can use 'git format-patch -1'.
2014-05-28 15:20 <lkalif> like instead of Type t = new new Type();
2014-05-28 15:20 <lkalif> you can do var t = new Type();
2014-05-28 15:20 <lkalif> there is no doubt what "var" should be compiled in
2014-05-28 15:21 <Aleric> Plugh: I still have no idea why justin said it didn't work.
2014-05-28 15:22 <Plugh> Aleric: I've updated my test grid to the 0.8rc2 from git master. I was going to do some testing today of line numbers in error messages.
2014-05-28 15:25 <Aleric> I have a script where my code matters.. that's why I'm fixing it now.
2014-05-28 15:25 <Aleric> It's still not ok.
2014-05-28 15:26 <Aleric> It is strange that it matter however... seems a sync point is missing in the map.
2014-05-28 15:26 <Plugh> ok. If you want me to help with testing, or something, let me know.
2014-05-28 15:29 <Aleric> lkalif: How can I access the first element of positionMap? Also with positionMap[0] like for a List<> ?
2014-05-28 15:30 <lkalif> there is no first element of a map strictly speaking
2014-05-28 15:30 <Aleric> Oh? :/
2014-05-28 15:30 <Aleric> But it's sorted on key no?
2014-05-28 15:31 <Aleric> I need the foreach to run over the postionMap in the sort order of its Key
2014-05-28 15:31 <Plugh> The order of elements in a Dictionary can be in whatever order is best per the underlying code, AFAIK.
2014-05-28 15:31 <Plugh> I believe the order of elements can change when an item is added.
2014-05-28 15:32 <Aleric> In C++ this would work: iterating over a map<> would just start at the 'smallest' element.  The first element would therefore be *positionMap.begin()
2014-05-28 15:33 <lkalif> but key is also KeyValue pair?
2014-05-28 15:33 <Plugh> Aleric: There is no order to Key/Value dictionary items unless you have somehow imposed an order.
2014-05-28 15:33 <lkalif> Aleric: how do you sort keys?
2014-05-28 15:34 <Aleric> lkalif: I assumed it was already sorted :/
2014-05-28 15:35 <Aleric> A C++ map<> would be sorted, it has to be.
2014-05-28 15:36 <Aleric> Isn't a Dictionary a red/black tree sort of thing?
2014-05-28 15:36 <lkalif> what is this <int, int> key? what does it represent?
2014-05-28 15:36 <osmantis> Bug #7193:04 llLoopSound breaks, when called more than one time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7193 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-28 15:37 <Aleric> line, column
2014-05-28 15:37 <Aleric> I'd like to use this to sort the keys of the Dictionary:
2014-05-28 15:38 <Aleric>         private class kvpSorter : IComparer<KeyValuePair<int, int>>
2014-05-28 15:38 <Aleric>         {
2014-05-28 15:38 <Aleric>             public int Compare(KeyValuePair<int, int> a,
2014-05-28 15:38 <Aleric>                     KeyValuePair<int, int> b)
2014-05-28 15:38 <Aleric>             {
2014-05-28 15:38 <Aleric>                 int kc = a.Key.CompareTo(b.Key);
2014-05-28 15:38 <Aleric>                 return (kc != 0) ? kc : a.Value.CompareTo(b.Value);
2014-05-28 15:38 <Aleric>             }
2014-05-28 15:38 <Aleric>         }
2014-05-28 15:38 <lkalif> Aleric: you already have this sorted list of keys
2014-05-28 15:38 <lkalif> right?
2014-05-28 15:38 <Aleric> No, the old code would copy the keys to a List and then sort that (using the above class).
2014-05-28 15:39 <lkalif> so your first value from positionMap would be positionMap[sorted[0]];
2014-05-28 15:39 <Aleric> But that seemed nonsense, cause I thought the Dictionary had to be sorted already in the first place. Also, I need access to the Value part of the Dictionary too - a lot.. so just running over a List of the keys of the Dictionary is annoying - then I have to do a look up for every key,
2014-05-28 15:40 <lkalif> sorting a dictionary makes no sense
2014-05-28 15:40 <lkalif> dictionary is just a map of key => val
2014-05-28 15:40 <lkalif> it does not guarantee any particular order of keys
2014-05-28 15:40 <Plugh> yea, that's what I said earlier. :)
2014-05-28 15:41 <Aleric> Then does C# have an equivalent of std::map<> ?
2014-05-28 15:41 <lkalif> i don't know what std::map is exactly
2014-05-28 15:41 <Plugh> 
ACTION doesn't know C++

2014-05-28 15:42 <lkalif> Aleric: no, there is no std::map equivalent that keeps keys sorted
2014-05-28 15:42 <Plugh> You can get the list of keys, sort them and then go through the list of sorted keys to retrieve the matching values from the original unsorted dictionary.
2014-05-28 15:43 <lkalif> Aleric: that's why they sorted a list of keys in the code before, you'll have to do the same
2014-05-28 15:43 <Aleric> A std::map<Key, Value> maps Key => val, but is a balanced red/black tree underneath. It sorts the elements in the tree using operator< on the key values by default (or you can pass a functor class as third element: std::map<Key, Value, Compare>, where Compare::operator()(Key1, Key2) defines the order)
2014-05-28 15:44 <lkalif> Dictionary doesn't do the key sorting part
2014-05-28 15:45 <Aleric> What I need is to run over all elements of the Dictionary in a specific ordered way, and know the Value of that element too.
2014-05-28 15:46 <Aleric> What would be an efficient way to get that Value? Me thinks to sort the Dictionary and sort the values at the same time :/
2014-05-28 15:46 <lkalif> yeah, you extract keys into a list, sort it, and interate over that using it as key for the Dictionary
2014-05-28 15:46 <Plugh> You will have to add a line to sort the dictionary.
2014-05-28 15:46 <Plugh> sort the keys.
2014-05-28 15:46 <Plugh> BTW, the MS page about Dictionary and a list of its methods is here -> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/xfhwa508(v=vs.110).aspx
2014-05-28 15:47 <Aleric> lkalif: how would I get the value knowing the key?
2014-05-28 15:47 <Aleric> fro the dictionary
2014-05-28 15:47 <lkalif> [] operator
2014-05-28 15:47 <Plugh> Use the key as the subscript
2014-05-28 15:47 <lkalif> var val = dict[key];
2014-05-28 15:48 <Aleric> For an unsorted Dictionary, that sounds horribly slow... if it isn't sorted, meaning it can't be a tree - then that would have to iterate over the whole dictionary one by one to find the key - that would be an order N^2 loop then :/
2014-05-28 15:48 <lkalif> you worry too much ;)
2014-05-28 15:50 <Plugh> The dictionary may be using something like b-trees to store the keys. The code decides where to stick new entries to keep it as fast as possible to find them later.
2014-05-28 15:50 <Plugh> That is also why adding entries can change the order of the entries if you try going through them in sequential order.
2014-05-28 15:51 <Plugh> bbiab. My cat is doing his usual morning session of calling for me.
2014-05-28 16:30 <Aleric> 
ACTION removes chocopasta from his keyboard.

2014-05-28 16:31 <lkalif> hehe
2014-05-28 16:31 <Aleric> :*)
2014-05-28 17:33 <Aleric>         LSL_Types.LSLInteger f114(LSL_Types.LSLString s)
2014-05-28 17:33 <Aleric> 123456789012345678901234567890
2014-05-28 17:35 <lkalif> cat > /dev/null is easier ;)
2014-05-28 17:35 <Aleric> The map is still wrong it seems :/
2014-05-28 17:36 <Aleric> LSL:
2014-05-28 17:36 <Aleric> integer f114(string s)
2014-05-28 17:36 <Aleric> 12345678901234567890123456789012345
2014-05-28 17:36 <Aleric>         LSL_Types.LSLInteger f114(LSL_Types.LSLString s)
2014-05-28 17:36 <Aleric> C# ^
2014-05-28 17:37 <Aleric> Clearly, column 35 should map to column 14.
2014-05-28 17:37 <Aleric> but I have:
2014-05-28 17:37 <Aleric> 10,35,1,13
2014-05-28 17:38 <Aleric> Anyway, my heuristics now work better: I get an error at the f of f114 for which there is no marker for some reason.
2014-05-28 17:39 <Aleric> That now is translated to the space before the f114 in LSL (because the map is wrong)
2014-05-28 17:41 <Aleric> Hmm, this seems to be a wrong initialization; it only happens for the first line.
2014-05-28 17:41 <Aleric> I guess column is initialized to 0 instead 1 as it should be.
2014-05-28 17:44 <Aleric> Hmmpf.. something wrong with excess spaces too :/
2014-05-28 17:44 <Aleric> integer f115(    string s)
2014-05-28 17:44 <Aleric> 12345678901234567890123456789012345
2014-05-28 17:44 <Aleric>         LSL_Types.LSLInteger f114(LSL_Types.LSLString s)
2014-05-28 17:44 <Aleric>         LSL_Types.LSLInteger f115(LSL_Types.LSLString s)   I mean
2014-05-28 17:44 <Aleric> so, still column 35 .. and the map is:
2014-05-28 17:45 <Aleric> 10,35,2,18
2014-05-28 17:45 <Aleric> hmmm
2014-05-28 17:45 <Aleric> Oh.. so the map is ok.. then wtf goes wrong there :/
2014-05-28 18:37 <Plugh> LSL line numbers start at 0. Perhaps columns do the same.
2014-05-28 18:46 <osmantis> Bug #6764:04 Mono debug line numbers are completely off 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6764 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-28 18:48 <Aleric> Plugh: ok, I added a final patch - if you like, you can test it and give comments :)
2014-05-28 18:57 <Plugh> ok
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2014-05-29 04:26 <osmantis> Bug #7193:04 llLoopSound breaks, when called more than one time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7193 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-29 07:18 <osmantis> Bug #7196:04 [BulletSim] land_collision do not work proprely underwater 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7196 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2014-05-29 07:54 <osmantis> Bug #7193:04 llLoopSound breaks, when called more than one time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7193 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-05-30 12:59 <smxy> Melanie_T: Did you ever finish your code merges from Avination? If not, what's left, and when do you think you might?
2014-05-30 14:23 <beadle> sometme in March ConcurrentDictionary dep added and cannot be found. any ideas?  I do checkout by commit key and early March is ok, but ending March not so much
2014-05-30 14:25 <nebadon> Misterblue : ping
2014-05-30 14:27 <nebadon> beadle, need more info
2014-05-30 14:27 <nebadon> is it windows or linux?
2014-05-30 14:28 <nebadon> if its running in mono what version? what is the source of mono?
2014-05-30 14:28 <BlueWall> beadle, need dotnet 4
2014-05-30 14:28 <nebadon> hello BlueWall
2014-05-30 14:28 <BlueWall> Hi nebadon
2014-05-30 14:28 <beadle> Hi and thanks.  it's fedora 20 x64  I installed mono*devel.  
2014-05-30 14:28 <BlueWall> how are you?
2014-05-30 14:28 <nebadon> doing good
2014-05-30 14:29 <nebadon> beadle thats probably your problem
2014-05-30 14:29 <beadle> mono 2.10
2014-05-30 14:29 <nebadon> see if the package, mono-complete exists
2014-05-30 14:29 <nebadon> your probably missing mono packages
2014-05-30 14:29 <nebadon> yum install mono-complete
2014-05-30 14:29 <beadle> no mono-complete
2014-05-30 14:30 <nebadon> surprising on fedora
2014-05-30 14:30 <beadle> I probably have to find out which holds mcs or the namespace for it... righty?
2014-05-30 14:31 <nebadon> ya its very likely missing one of the mono packages
2014-05-30 14:31 <nebadon> you could also try compiling mono yourself
2014-05-30 14:31 <nebadon> its not that hard
2014-05-30 14:31 <nebadon> i have instructions
2014-05-30 14:32 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44
2014-05-30 14:32 <nebadon> i need to update these for mono 3.4
2014-05-30 14:38 <nebadon> ok if your refresh that page it will be for mono 3.4.0 now
2014-05-30 14:38 <nebadon> oh heh didnt realize he was gone, oh well
2014-05-30 14:40 <beadle> my apologies power went out.
2014-05-30 14:40 <nebadon> np did you see anything I said?
2014-05-30 14:41 <beadle> last was about refreshing a page for mono 3.4 but don't understand that
2014-05-30 14:41 <nebadon> ya
2014-05-30 14:41 <nebadon> you can compile mono yourself
2014-05-30 14:41 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44
2014-05-30 14:41 <beadle> ahhh
2014-05-30 14:41 <nebadon> i have instructions on how to do it
2014-05-30 14:41 <nebadon> i just now updated it for the latest version of mono
2014-05-30 14:41 <beadle> cool
2014-05-30 14:41 <lkalif> you need .net 4 support, but I also don't know what package is that coming with on Fedora
2014-05-30 14:41 <nebadon> ya me either
2014-05-30 14:42 <nebadon> i havent used Fedora in quite some time
2014-05-30 14:43 <beadle> thanks much!  I'll try to find out what fedora supports and if any solution will hit you up.
2014-05-30 14:45 <BlueWall> mono-extras ??
2014-05-30 14:46 <beadle> that's already installed.
2014-05-30 14:49 <nebadon> ya I generally dont like doing the repo version of mono myslef
2014-05-30 14:49 <nebadon> i always compile it
2014-05-30 14:49 <nebadon> however on opensuse there is a package called mono-complete that does everything you need
2014-05-30 14:49 <nebadon> I think Ubuntu has it too
2014-05-30 14:49 <nebadon> it seems that all red hat variants do not have it
2014-05-30 14:50 <nebadon> CentOS doesnt either
2014-05-30 14:59 <beadle> I used xbuild and it seems to be running fine now.
2014-05-30 15:00 <BlueWall> \o/
2014-05-30 15:03 <beadle> BlueWall: is that a LOL?
2014-05-30 15:03 <beadle> or one-eyed big-eared man staring me down?!   ;)
2014-05-30 15:24 <nebadon> its a man celebrating
2014-05-30 15:24 <nebadon> head with hands in the air
2014-05-30 15:24 <nebadon> lol
2014-05-30 15:24 <nebadon> ah so you were using nant?
2014-05-30 15:24 <nebadon> probably an old version of nant
2014-05-30 15:24 <BlueWall> "Touchdown!!!"
2014-05-30 15:26 <beadle> lol   yes v 0.91 nant which only supports up to NET 3.5.  sorry I didn't see the opensim-user thread b4 asking.!
2014-05-30 15:29 <beadle> well, actually, I invoked make.  any thoughts to update the Makefile  to use xbuild?
2014-05-30 15:32 <Plugh> beadle: You had a problem building with nant but not with xbuild?
2014-05-30 15:32 <beadle> yes
2014-05-30 15:33 <beadle> Plugh: yes
2014-05-30 15:33 <Plugh> Which version of OS were you building?
2014-05-30 15:33 <beadle> Fedora 20, x64
2014-05-30 15:33 <Plugh> beadle: OS -> OpenSim.  0.7.6 or git master?
2014-05-30 15:33 <beadle> oh.  git master
2014-05-30 15:34 <BlueWall> seems that Fedora nant and mono aren't in sync
2014-05-30 15:34 <Plugh> I'll let you know if I have any problem building master.
2014-05-30 15:35 <Plugh> beadle: what version of mono?
2014-05-30 15:35 <BlueWall> ... if nan't doesn't support net 4
2014-05-30 15:35 <beadle> Plugh: my problem is that my version of nant doesn't support NET4
2014-05-30 15:36 <beadle> I don't know when Fedora intends to update to NANT 0.92 as Fedora 20 is kind of a freeze point and they
2014-05-30 15:36 <beadle> 're discussing when and what about F21
2014-05-30 15:36 <beadle> is delayed
2014-05-30 15:36 <Plugh> wow. Fedora is up to 20? I haven't used it since I gave up on when 9 came out.
2014-05-30 15:36 <BlueWall> I have not used nant in several years. Not sure what the advantage is.
2014-05-30 15:36 <beadle> heh heh heh
2014-05-30 15:37 <Plugh> I just ran a default build of master using Make under Linux Mint 14 and it built without errors.
2014-05-30 15:37 <BlueWall> xbuild does the trick
2014-05-30 15:37 <Plugh> I'm using mono 2.10.8
2014-05-30 15:37 <beadle> me too
2014-05-30 15:38 <Plugh> I had no trouble building with nant (the default in the Makefile).
2014-05-30 15:38 <beadle> hmmm my version of NANT is actually 0.90
2014-05-30 15:38 <beadle> that suxc
2014-05-30 15:38 <Plugh> Let me check my nant version
2014-05-30 15:38 <Plugh> I have 0.92~rc1+dfsg-2
2014-05-30 15:39 <beadle> I tried nant -t:net-4.0 but it said "possible valuies" 2.0 and 3.5
2014-05-30 15:40 <beadle> but xbuild is working for me
2014-05-30 15:46 <beadle> 0.90 is what's offered on Fedora Rawhide still.  that suxc too.   
2014-05-30 15:53 <beadle> thank you All!
2014-05-30 16:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #3608 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-30 16:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3608: SUCCESS in 8 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3608/
2014-05-30 16:04 <osjenkins> bluewall: Add some info about xbuild command line switches to clean and select between producing Debug or Release binaries
2014-05-30 17:13 <diva> Melanie_T does it not bother you that EstateSDataService and SimulationDataService are in the wrong dll? I'm trying to decide whether it bothers me enough to put it them in their own dll where they belong, like the other services
2014-05-30 17:17 <nebadon> diva if you do that i suggest waiting until after the release
2014-05-30 17:17 <nebadon> or do in new branch for now
2014-05-30 17:17 <nebadon> you might give justin a heart attack otherwise
2014-05-30 17:17 <nebadon> lol
2014-05-30 17:26 <jakdaniels_> ping nebadon, hi, do you have admin control in mantis?. My account seems to be locked for some reason and I can't login or retrieve my password, or create another account using the same email address.
2014-05-30 17:35 <nebadon> i can look
2014-05-30 17:35 <nebadon> what is the username?
2014-05-30 17:36 <nebadon> i do see an account with your name that does not appear to be locked
2014-05-30 17:48 <jakdaniels_> I've managed to create a new account now. Thanks for looking.
2014-05-30 17:50 <nebadon> k cool
2014-05-30 18:04 <diva> Melanie_T a related question is why doesn't opensim have network connectors for the estate service.
2014-05-30 18:35 <justincc> hey nebadon
2014-05-30 18:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #3609 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-30 18:40 <nebadon> nice
2014-05-30 18:40 <justincc> give that a try,hopefully it will fix it
2014-05-30 18:41 <nebadon> ok
2014-05-30 18:41 <nebadon> 1 sec
2014-05-30 18:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3609: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3609/
2014-05-30 18:44 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix bug where setting a parcel in a varregion for sale would make sale bitmap generation in WorldMapModule throw an exception on next startup.
2014-05-30 18:45 <nebadon> thanks justincc you nailed it :)
2014-05-30 18:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #3610 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-30 18:46 <justincc> nebadon: cool. 
2014-05-30 18:46 <nebadon> glad we caught that for release
2014-05-30 18:47 <justincc> on another topic, have you noticed jerky avatar movement in bulletsim when flying straight?
2014-05-30 18:47 <nebadon> let me try
2014-05-30 18:48 <nebadon> eh, nothing I would complain much about
2014-05-30 18:48 <nebadon> seems pretty good to me
2014-05-30 18:48 <justincc> are you using the 'run physics on its own thread' option?
2014-05-30 18:48 <nebadon> occaisonally there is a very slight stutter
2014-05-30 18:48 <nebadon> yes
2014-05-30 18:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3610: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3610/
2014-05-30 18:50 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Comment out log line in Groups V2 GroupsServicePostHandler for now which logs every request it receives.
2014-05-30 18:50 <justincc> hm, doesn't make any difference for me
2014-05-30 18:50 <justincc> I'm surprised you don't notice this, it's pretty obvious to me
2014-05-30 18:51 <justincc> fly in a straight line and look at the terrain below.  Avatar will slow down then jerk back to full speed every 2 secs or so
2014-05-30 18:59 <nebadon> hmm
2014-05-30 18:59 <nebadon> what viewer?
2014-05-30 19:00 <justincc> singularity 1.8.5 64bit on linux
2014-05-30 19:00 <justincc> but I can be pretty certain this is not a viewer issue.  I've seen very similar problems before when the avatar speed as calculated by the physics engine never matches the viewer extrapolation
2014-05-30 19:00 <justincc> because I made a bunch of changes to ode originally to get them to match and eliminate that kind of jerkiness
2014-05-30 19:01 <justincc> anyway, I'm going to poke around a bit - probably time I leant a bit about bullet :)
2014-05-30 19:01 <nebadon> i just made a video
2014-05-30 19:01 <nebadon> let me compress and post it
2014-05-30 19:01 <nebadon> and see what you think
2014-05-30 19:01 <justincc> ok
2014-05-30 19:12 <nebadon> its uploading
2014-05-30 19:15 <nebadon> justincc > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJe6k0vDR3g&hd=1
2014-05-30 19:16 <Misterblue> there is a mantis for the jerky flying (http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6814) not that that is any consolation
2014-05-30 19:17 <justincc> Misterblue: ah, and I had forgotton I neven monitored that one.  Any idea why this is?  When it was happening wtih ODE a long time it was because the physics calc of av mvmt did not match viewer extrapolation, but that might not be the case here
2014-05-30 19:18 <nebadon> i guess maybe I am just used to it
2014-05-30 19:18 <nebadon> do you notice same thing in my video justincc?
2014-05-30 19:18 <Misterblue> I don't know the root cause... the physics engine gets given the flying velocity from the simulator and that is also the velocity sent to the viewer
2014-05-30 19:18 <justincc> nebadon: in this video you turn around a lot - it's only really noticeable when you're flying in a sraight line
2014-05-30 19:18 <justincc> nebadon: if you look at the sequence around 0:23 for instance, I see what I'm seeing
2014-05-30 19:19 <Misterblue> the problem showed up even more when the number of updates sent while flying was reduced... but that was really just making t he problem more obvious
2014-05-30 19:19 <nebadon> ok
2014-05-30 19:19 <nebadon> so its real subtle then
2014-05-30 19:19 <justincc> Misterblue: yeah, there's a perverse effect where if more updates are sent, then the problem goes down because the viewer is getting mvmt corrections more frequently
2014-05-30 19:19 <justincc> but it's not the right solution :)
2014-05-30 19:19 <nebadon> i thought you mean more than that like jumping back significantly
2014-05-30 19:20 <justincc> nebadon: no, it's a hitching effect.  If you turn on "show updates" in the viewer you'll see the updates going in to the av
2014-05-30 19:20 <justincc> but if you switch to bullet, you see there are vastly fewer
2014-05-30 19:20 <justincc> sorry, I meant switch to ode
2014-05-30 19:21 <justincc> I guess it bothers me because I know to look out for it
2014-05-30 19:21 <Misterblue> maybe BulletSim is taking wind resistance into account ;-)
2014-05-30 19:21 <justincc> Misterblue: so bulletsim should still be on same fps as ODE?  I saw this was done in e87a179 back in oct 2012 but I also see the code has changed a bit since then
2014-05-30 19:22 <justincc> and annoyingly, when I rewind to that revision bulletsim fails with a native error :)  though I need to actually try with a blank region rather than the one full of bits and pieces that's there right now
2014-05-30 19:22 <Misterblue> the default should be the physics engine getting called with the simulator heartbeat... same as ODE
2014-05-30 19:22 <justincc> ok
2014-05-30 19:22 <justincc> I''m going to poke around a bit, see if I can detect what's happening if that's okay with you, Misterblue
2014-05-30 19:23 <Misterblue> BulletSim does generate different numbers of updates compared to ODE... Bullet seems to make a lot of smaller changes (more updates while standing, for instance)
2014-05-30 19:23 <justincc> Misterblue: so that's happening interally within bullet rather than something you're doing in the plugin?
2014-05-30 19:24 <Misterblue> more that ok, justincc.... I have many, many, many bugs assigned to me... enough to keep me busy
2014-05-30 19:24 <Misterblue> what are you referring to? the number of updates?
2014-05-30 19:24 <justincc> when you said above that it "seems to make a lot of smaller changes"
2014-05-30 19:25 <justincc> Finer number changes when physical objects come to a halt, for instance?
2014-05-30 19:25 <justincc> 
ACTION doesn't know the right language to use when discussing phys engines

2014-05-30 19:25 <Misterblue> Bullet objects jiggle until deactivated... I've had to add damping to BulletSim to cut that down
2014-05-30 19:25 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-05-30 19:25 <Misterblue> ODE had a lot of smoothing and tuning done to it for the same sort of problem
2014-05-30 19:36 <Dev_Random> does finer number mean lower mass value?
2014-05-30 19:41 <justincc> Dev_Random: not sure what you mean
2014-05-30 19:42 <Dev_Random> Bullet and ODE give significantly different values for Avatar mass.... thought maybe it was related to how often engine is updating
2014-05-30 19:43 <justincc> so I'm still poking around, and updates are being triggered because delta v under bullet keeps fluctuating
2014-05-30 19:43 <justincc> unlike ode where it falls below update threshold once the av gets moving
2014-05-30 19:54 <dahlia> nebadon: what is that video supposed to show? I see what looks like graphics freezups but thats about it
2014-05-30 19:54 <justincc> Misterblue: BSCharacter:747 is interesting.  I see you're already smothing out RawVelocity changes.  But the changes generated in smooth flight appear to be 0,13 so above this threshold
2014-05-30 19:56 <justincc> ok, so if I raise the delta v update threshold in SP.UpdateProperties(), the number of updates falls off and flight becomes smooth, with no obvious error correction on stopping
2014-05-30 19:56 <justincc> from 0.01 to 0.2 just as a test
2014-05-30 19:57 <justincc> but I'm going to raise this damping within BSCharacter and see if that has the same effect
2014-05-30 20:00 <justincc> hm, raising that appears to increase the delta v instead
2014-05-30 20:08 <justincc> Misterblue: now this is very interesting.  If I halve the threshold to 0.05 from 0.1, the delta v diff entriely disappears and flight becomes smooth also
2014-05-30 20:08 <justincc> which is the opposite of what one would expect
2014-05-30 20:11 <justincc> but very occasionally after some turning I get the delta v effect back and it jerks up again
2014-05-30 20:11 <justincc> very curious
2014-05-30 20:11 <dahlia> justincc: are you futzing with that update limiter I added way back when?
2014-05-30 20:13 <justincc> originally I was chaniging that, but now I'm changing an update threshold in bulletsim instead
2014-05-30 20:14 <dahlia> oh didnt know bullet had one also
2014-05-30 20:15 <justincc> bullet has some damping to smooth velocity, though strangely it seems to be having the opposite effect, at least for the case of full speed ahead level av flight
2014-05-30 20:16 <justincc> possibly the higher threshold there is making the v updates lumpy and so triggering the threshold in SP
2014-05-30 20:17 <dahlia> I dont remember how I chose the threshold in SP but it wouldn't surprise me if it could use a little tuning. I probably tried it locally and with maybe one hosted server
2014-05-30 20:17 <justincc> it's hardcoded to 0.01
2014-05-30 20:17 <dahlia> because that's about all I usually have
2014-05-30 20:17 <justincc> which was fine for bullet.  But I thnk this is beter off with a change in Bullet right now rather than in general code
2014-05-30 20:18 <justincc> sorry, was fine for ode
2014-05-30 20:19 <dahlia> does bulletsim limit updates?
2014-05-30 20:19 <justincc> there's a threshold check for it
2014-05-30 20:19 <dahlia> because if it's done there, then SP wont be updated then scripts and such wont get accurate numbers
2014-05-30 20:19 <nebadon> dahlia yes, I didnt really notice it either, the video was basically to show justin what i was seeing so he could determine if i was also seeing same thing he was
2014-05-30 20:20 <dahlia> nebadon: ah ok
2014-05-30 20:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #3611 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-05-30 20:52 <osjenkins> dahlia: Add a 0 parameter overload for RestClient.Request() for use when no auth is required. This preserves API compatibility for external modules using this function.
2014-05-30 21:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #3612 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-05-30 21:16 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix issue with BulletSim avatar level flight jitter by commenting out RawVelocity update threshold for now in BSCharacter.UpdateProperties().
2014-05-30 21:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #3613 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-05-30 21:22 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Add some commented out logging to ScenePresence.SendTerseUpdateToAllClients() which is extremely helpful when investigating presence update triggers.
2014-05-30 21:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #3614 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-05-30 21:27 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: rename velocidyDiff -> velocityDiff
2014-05-30 21:28 <osmantis> Bug #6814:04 Terrain and building is not moving always smooth when you walk or fly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6814 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-30 21:29 <osmantis> Bug #6909:04 choppy movement of the avatar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6909 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-31 01:52 <osmantis> Bug #6909:04 choppy movement of the avatar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6909 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-31 01:55 <osmantis> Bug #7197:04 Opensim 0.8  Estate Managers cant edit any settings in land 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7197 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2014-05-31 09:56 <zadarkAlt1> Can someone poke opensimulator.org?
2014-05-31 10:34 <lkalif> nebadon: poke
2014-05-31 10:46 <RiRa> opensimulator.org down ?
2014-05-31 14:07 <smxy> I think the server is down.
2014-05-31 14:22 <nebadon> yes I have been trying to reach melanie to take a look
2014-05-31 14:22 <nebadon> might be down for a little bit, we have been waiting for this to happen again
2014-05-31 14:23 <nebadon> we were able to make it happen way less often, but we still havent quite figured out exactly what is wrong
2014-05-31 14:23 <nebadon> we know its something related to the wiki search engine
2014-05-31 14:33 <lkalif> it's a conspiracy of those cloud services providers Melanie_T hates ;)
2014-05-31 17:17 <nebadon> website is back up
2014-05-31 17:41 <Wanderer_42> nebadon: We talked a few hours about the standalone-problem with error-messages. I tested it now a bit more: It doesn't occur with Singularity. But with Firestorm it shows up.
2014-05-31 17:41 <Wanderer_42> *a few hours before
2014-05-31 17:53 <nebadon> ah interesting
2014-05-31 17:54 <nebadon> that kind of lends to my theory about not understanding the packet
2014-05-31 17:54 <nebadon> maybe firestorm made some change to profiles
2014-05-31 17:59 <Wanderer_42> Would it be better, to file a mantis or should i wait for justin, as you suggested ?
2014-05-31 18:03 <nebadon> probably good to mantis it, Justin usually is not around on weekends
2014-05-31 18:03 <Wanderer_42> ok, will do
2014-05-31 18:11 <osmantis> Bug #7198:04 Sit camera rotation not correct when prim to be sat on is not rotated <0,0,0> or is not root 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7198 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-31 18:11 <osmantis> Bug #7198:04 Sit camera rotation not correct when prim to be sat on is not rotated <0,0,0> or is not root 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7198 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007176.
2014-05-31 18:11 <osmantis> Bug #7176:04 Sit camera not working correctly when prim the camera settings applied to is not root 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7176 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007198.
2014-05-31 18:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #3615 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-05-31 18:45 <osjenkins> * diva: Moved these two estate-related interfaces to the projects where they belong.
2014-05-31 18:45 <osjenkins> * diva: Added missing reference
2014-05-31 18:45 <osjenkins> * diva: Fix a bug where estate not found would result in a dummy estate record with erroneous information.
2014-05-31 19:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #3616 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-31 19:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3616: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3616/
2014-05-31 19:33 <osjenkins> * misterblue: varregion: send terrain patches from where the avatar outward if the parameter
2014-05-31 19:33 <osjenkins> * misterblue: varregion: More tweeking to only sending patches within avatar draw distance.
2014-05-31 19:33 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Modifications to debugging printouts. No functional changes.
2014-05-31 19:55 <NickyP> Misterblue: 
2014-05-31 19:55 <Misterblue> yes?
2014-05-31 19:55 <NickyP> do you have a test sim public?
2014-05-31 19:56 <NickyP> I'm not wanting to build just now, Lazy
2014-05-31 19:57 <Misterblue> sorry, I don't have mine up yet (another project today)
2014-05-31 19:57 <NickyP> kk
2014-05-31 19:58 <AliciaRaven> NickyP, ill be updating in the morning (uk time) if thats any help
2014-05-31 20:00 <NickyP> thats good. I may dust off my git sticky notes and build it.
2014-05-31 20:01 <AliciaRaven> hehe k, looking forward to testing that update myself, terrain loading was way slow
2014-05-31 20:29 <Misterblue> did anyone see my email in the opensim-dev mailing list? Since it doesn't send the email back to the originator, I can't tell if it got there
2014-05-31 20:29 <vegaslon> ya I got the email
2014-05-31 20:29 <vegaslon> testing it now
2014-05-31 20:29 <lkalif> [Opensim-dev] varregion terrain loading limited by view distance
2014-05-31 20:29 <Misterblue> good... and fingers crossed
2014-05-31 20:30 <Plugh> Hm... The two regions in my test grid aren't starting with lastest git master. They are stuck at "Loading extension point /OpenSim/Startup". That is the last entry in OpenSim.log
2014-05-31 20:30 <Misterblue> that's an odd one
2014-05-31 20:31 <Plugh> yeah
2014-05-31 20:32 <vegaslon> what do find interesting is that singularity is holding onto all terrain it has seen so when you move it continues to load the old terrain out of veiw range
2014-05-31 20:36 <Plugh> Misterblue: yea. Fortunately it is just a test grid. I'll leave it for now. It is time for a break from the computer.
2014-05-31 20:41 <Plugh> Hm... Robust needs the patch to allow logging of multi-line messages. I get a login failure and it says "... reason:" and nothing further. The reason gets lost.
2014-05-31 21:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #3617 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-05-31 21:26 <osmantis> Bug #7008:04 Varregion Terrain very slow to load when teleporting in. Much slower than same exact oars loaded on a mega region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7008 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-31 21:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3617: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3617/
2014-05-31 21:27 <osjenkins> misterblue: Move the generation of the multi-resolution map tiles off the main
2014-05-31 21:31 <AliciaRaven> Misterblue, u still here?
2014-05-31 21:31 <Misterblue> yes
2014-05-31 21:31 <AliciaRaven> u know bug http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7084
2014-05-31 21:31 <AliciaRaven> i had a similar issue but only with firestorm so i posted a report on their jira, now im not sure if its os or firestorm
2014-05-31 21:32 <AliciaRaven> http://jira.phoenixviewer.com/browse/FIRE-13903
2014-05-31 21:32 <Misterblue> humm... not even assiged to me :)
2014-05-31 21:32 <AliciaRaven> thought it was firestorm because i didnt have that problem using kokua
2014-05-31 21:33 <AliciaRaven> oh i thought u was working on var regions, srry
2014-05-31 21:33 <Misterblue> my last fix could also solve the problem -- the main thread was getting taken over building the maptiles which takes minutes for large varregions
2014-05-31 21:34 <Misterblue> oh, I am the varregion person... I was just commenting that the bug didn't show up on my list because it hadn't been assigned
2014-05-31 21:34 <AliciaRaven> ah k, i will see if its still doing it when i update tomorow
2014-05-31 21:34 <osmantis> Bug #7084:04 after login directly on region cannot TP in the region until the whole terrain is loaded. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7084 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-05-31 21:35 <Misterblue> do you have a way of testing for the problem with the latest sources?
2014-05-31 21:35 <AliciaRaven> seems firestorm just says a regions offline untill the base region loads
2014-05-31 21:35 <AliciaRaven> yes i can pull from git now, just wont be uploading to my grid till tomorow
2014-05-31 21:35 <AliciaRaven> will give it ago
2014-05-31 21:36 <Misterblue> ok... add a note the the mantis entry when you find something
2014-05-31 21:36 <AliciaRaven> k will do, still think its a firestorm issue tho, their minimap is broke for var regions aswell
2014-05-31 21:37 <AliciaRaven> pulling code now
2014-05-31 21:47 <AliciaRaven> Misterblue, same problem, definatly not waiting for terrain to load, the var region just says offline untill i click the bottom left region and instantly appears online then
2014-05-31 21:47 <AliciaRaven> posting a link to that jira on mantis incase they are related
2014-05-31 21:50 <osmantis> Bug #7084:04 after login directly on region cannot TP in the region until the whole terrain is loaded. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7084 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-31 21:52 <osmantis> Bug #7008:04 Varregion Terrain very slow to load when teleporting in. Much slower than same exact oars loaded on a mega region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7008 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-05-31 21:52 <Misterblue> rats... but ok, thanks for checking
2014-05-31 21:53 <AliciaRaven> if it is opensim, its funny that kokua doesnt show the same problem tho
2014-05-31 21:53 <Misterblue> people just teleport to quickly... there should be a timer that doesn't let one teleport for 30 seconds after you've teleported
2014-05-31 21:53 <Misterblue> that would fix a lot of problems
2014-05-31 21:53 <AliciaRaven> yes, gotta let things settle
2014-05-31 21:54 <AliciaRaven> have u had any problems connecting with singularity to a var region?
2014-05-31 21:54 <Misterblue> can't say I have, but I've been mostly testing with Firestorm
2014-05-31 21:55 <vegaslon> this also becomes a problem with vehicles that move faster then the terrain load
2014-05-31 21:57 <AliciaRaven> i havnt had a chance to try vehicles yet but i would think that would be tricky to avoid
2014-05-31 21:57 <vegaslon> would think would be preferable to kill pending terrain updates if they are no longer in veiw range
2014-05-31 21:58 <AliciaRaven> yes, maybe predict loading ahead of the direction of movment might help
2014-05-31 21:59 <vegaslon> or preference to loading tiles in field of veiw
2014-05-31 22:01 <vegaslon> for vehicles you raise your veiw distance to try to keep from hitting the wall of terrain patches but that only makes it worse as you are just loading more patches behind you
2014-05-31 22:01 <osmantis> Bug #7199:04 [LLCLIENTVIEW]: "Caught exception" with Firestorm-Viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7199 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-31 22:02 <osmantis> Bug #7199:04 [LLCLIENTVIEW]: "Caught exception" with Firestorm-Viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7199 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-05-31 22:03 <Misterblue> TerrainModule.GetModifiedPatchesInViewDistance() is the routine to make smarter :)
2014-05-31 22:03 <osmantis> Bug #7199:04 [LLCLIENTVIEW]: "Caught exception" with Firestorm-Viewer in Standalone 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7199 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-05-31 22:03 <Misterblue> It could take the camera direction into account
2014-05-31 22:05 <Misterblue> off to the store... back in a bit
2014-05-31 22:05 <AliciaRaven> c ya :)
2014-05-31 22:38 <osmantis> Bug #7200:04 Map search is completely broke in some viewers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7200 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-05-31 22:39 <danbanner> ping diva
2014-05-31 22:44 <diva> pong danbanner
2014-05-31 22:45 <danbanner> hi diva, ran across and issue with cool vl with map search
2014-05-31 22:45 <danbanner> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7200
2014-05-31 22:46 <danbanner> not entirely sure why firestorm or singularity arent affected
2014-05-31 22:46 <danbanner> but we still have some users on older PC that use imprudence, etc
2014-05-31 22:47 <diva> does cool vl support varregions? 
2014-05-31 22:47 <danbanner> yup
2014-05-31 22:47 <danbanner> map search is broke even on normal regions
2014-05-31 22:47 <danbanner> like login to wright and try to find lbsa
2014-05-31 22:47 <diva> and what map do they have? Do they use the map images othat v3 uses, or the old one?
2014-05-31 22:47 <danbanner> all it says is region not found
2014-05-31 22:48 <danbanner> im not sure about cool vl but im pretty sure imprudence uses older v1 method
2014-05-31 22:49 <diva> i'll look into it tomorrow, although I don't have any of those viewers installed.
2014-05-31 22:49 <danbanner> thanks :)
2014-05-31 22:49 <danbanner> ya i had to install them to test
2014-05-31 22:50 <danbanner> i only discovered this because of several users asking me why they cant find regions
2014-05-31 22:50 <diva> and it works before that commit?
2014-05-31 22:50 <danbanner> yes
2014-05-31 22:51 <danbanner> i did a git reset --hard fab0389c 
2014-05-31 22:51 <danbanner> which is the commit prior to that one and all is good
2014-05-31 22:52 <danbanner> switching back to e19c830a breaks it
2014-05-31 23:05 <smxy> oh, that might explain why I have been having trouble finding regions via the map that I can get to via my gates.
2014-05-31 23:05 <smxy> gate works, same address in vieweer doesn't
2014-05-31 23:06 <smxy> latest firestorm though
2014-05-31 23:06 <smxy> danbanner^^
2014-05-31 23:06 <danbanner> i havent had any trouble in firestorm
2014-05-31 23:07 <smxy> I've definitely seen this recently.
2014-05-31 23:07 <smxy> for HG addresses
2014-05-31 23:08 <smxy> I put the address in the map and it says not found. Put it in a gate and the gate takes me there.
2014-05-31 23:11 <danbanner> ahh maybe its related
2014-05-31 23:11 <danbanner> i havent tried with HG yet
2014-05-31 23:23 <NickyP> danbanner: I need to run a test on a region that is divided into parcels. then, I need to run the same test on a varregion that is divied into parcels. Can you point the way?
2014-05-31 23:24 <danbanner> seaprior plaza is regular region thats parceled
2014-05-31 23:24 <NickyP> ty
2014-05-31 23:24 <danbanner> and the OSG7B regions are parceled vars
2014-05-31 23:25 <danbanner> yw
2014-05-31 23:57 <NickyP> danbanner: is server @ sandbox plaza III the rev as OSG7B?
2014-05-31 23:57 <NickyP> the same rev
2014-05-31 23:58 <danbanner> let me see
2014-05-31 23:58 <danbanner> bf5320e sb3
2014-05-31 23:58 <danbanner> same as osg7be
2014-05-31 23:59 <danbanner> the west region is a few hours older
2014-05-31 23:59 <danbanner> 8656b5e
2014-05-31 23:59 <danbanner> you need me to update to head?
2014-06-01 00:00 <NickyP> ty map is good on osg7b but screwed over on sb3
2014-06-01 00:00 <danbanner> hmm
2014-06-01 00:02 <NickyP> maybe another power of 2 region issue
2014-06-01 00:02 <danbanner> sb3 is 768 var
2014-06-01 00:02 <danbanner> and the osgb regions are 512
2014-06-01 00:05 <NickyP> map is good on my local 1024 
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2014-06-01 07:40 <osmantis> Bug #7181:04 BulletSPlugin : The requested operation caused a stack overflow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7181 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-01 08:31 <Bwild> oh and of course opensim log should show any errors; such as missing config ini settings for Maps
2014-06-01 08:32 <Bwild> oops, wrong channel
2014-06-01 10:39 <osmantis> Bug #7008:04 Varregion Terrain very slow to load when teleporting in. Much slower than same exact oars loaded on a mega region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7008 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-01 10:53 <osmantis> Bug #7084:04 after login directly on region cannot TP in the region until the whole terrain is loaded. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7084 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-01 11:16 <osmantis> Bug #6814:04 Terrain and building is not moving always smooth when you walk or fly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6814 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-01 15:17 <osmantis> Bug #7197:04 Opensim 0.8  Estate Managers cant edit any settings in land 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7197 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-01 15:41 <Aleric> Plugh: hi again.  I've not seen a report from you on http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6764  .. have you been able to install my two patches and test them?
2014-06-01 15:41 <Plugh> Hey, Aleric. I was going to test it yesterday but found that the OS instances won't start.
2014-06-01 15:42 <Plugh> Not sure what's happened. Possibly some change in the ini files that I haven't applied??
2014-06-01 15:44 <Plugh> I'll update my standalone and see if it will run.
2014-06-01 16:25 <Plugh> Aleric: ping
2014-06-01 16:30 <Plugh> Aleric: Stock git master doesn't report line numbers properly. I introduced an error "rules ==" instead of "rules +=" on line 1695. The error was reported as being on line 1529.
2014-06-01 16:31 <Plugh> It said (1529,0) so no column information was included.
2014-06-01 17:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #3618 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-01 17:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3618: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3618/
2014-06-01 17:11 <osjenkins> diva: Fixed a few things pertaining to interfacing with the estate service. Specifically, StoreEstateSettings was not being used anywhere; instead EstatSetting.Save was being called, but that method is a trigger to the DB-layer code directly, which, besides being wrong, was making it impossible to replace the service with a remote connector.
2014-06-01 17:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #3619 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-01 17:19 <osmantis> Bug #7200:04 Map search is completely broke in some viewers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7200 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-01 17:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3619: SUCCESS in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3619/
2014-06-01 17:23 <osjenkins> diva: This may fix mantis #7200, but I am unable to test because I don't have any old viewers around anymore.
2014-06-01 17:25 <danbanner> diva give me a moment and i'll test it
2014-06-01 17:25 <diva_> ok
2014-06-01 17:29 <danbanner> diva: works now
2014-06-01 17:29 <diva_> cool
2014-06-01 17:29 <danbanner> thank you
2014-06-01 17:32 <LiruCookies> it is sad that coolvl is behind there
2014-06-01 17:33 <osmantis> Bug #7200:04 Map search is completely broke in some viewers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7200 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-06-01 18:15 <osmantis> Bug #6813:04 Ground sit fails on prim, avatar is going to sit on the terrain. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-01 18:23 <Plugh> Aleric: ping 
2014-06-01 18:23 <Aleric> pung
2014-06-01 18:25 <Plugh> pung? hehe
2014-06-01 18:26 <Plugh> Aleric: I tested stock git master and line numbers are still way off.
2014-06-01 18:26 <Plugh> Aleric: Which of the two patches to mantis 6764 should I apply?
2014-06-01 18:29 <Aleric> both
2014-06-01 18:29 <Plugh> ok. I'll do that and see what happens.
2014-06-01 18:30 <Aleric>  0001-Fix-looking-up-line-number-and-colum-when-there-is-n.patch  first, followed by 0002-Improved-line-map-heuristics.patch
2014-06-01 18:30 <Plugh> rebuilding...
2014-06-01 18:35 <Plugh> Aleric: Much better. 
2014-06-01 18:35 <Aleric> Is it still off?
2014-06-01 18:35 <Plugh> I put the error at line 1705 and it even got the column number right.
2014-06-01 18:35 <Plugh> No, perfect.
2014-06-01 18:35 <Aleric> Ah ok ;)
2014-06-01 18:36 <Plugh> Woohoo
2014-06-01 18:37 <Plugh> hm...
2014-06-01 18:37 <Plugh> I changed a declaration in line 65 to -> integer link_controls = "xxx;
2014-06-01 18:38 <Plugh> It reported the error at 147,5
2014-06-01 18:38 <Aleric> Can you add to the mantis what you findings are please? If there is something still off, then can you attach the script, or email it to me, then I can comment on why it is off...
2014-06-01 18:38 <Aleric> Hmm - that is a lot.
2014-06-01 18:38 <Plugh> That is two lines off from line 49 where I had -> key    target = "";
2014-06-01 18:38 <Aleric> The line number should be correct at least... 
2014-06-01 18:38 <Plugh> First declaration with " marks since the original line that was missing the terminating "
2014-06-01 18:39 <Aleric> can you give me the script?
2014-06-01 18:39 <Aleric> I don't really care where the error is - but where the C# compiler says it is :p.
2014-06-01 18:40 <Aleric> If the compiler says it's at line 147 then that's what you should see.
2014-06-01 18:40 <Plugh> IMO, It should have said 149 instead of 147.
2014-06-01 18:41 <Aleric> paste lines 147 - 150 please
2014-06-01 18:41 <Plugh> I'll extract the part of the script that shows the error. The script is one of two in a product I'm selling.
2014-06-01 18:41 <Plugh> The real error was in line 49 (unterminated string).
2014-06-01 18:42 <Aleric> 49 or 149 ?
2014-06-01 18:42 <Plugh> 49 had the unterminated string. 149 has the first declaration after 49 that has " marks in it for another string assignment.
2014-06-01 18:43 <Plugh> The error is reported as being in line 147.
2014-06-01 18:43 <Aleric> paste lines 147 - 150 please
2014-06-01 18:43 <Plugh> //Target settings
2014-06-01 18:43 <Plugh> string target_name;
2014-06-01 18:43 <Plugh> key    target = "";
2014-06-01 18:43 <Aleric> That's 4 lines
2014-06-01 18:43 <Plugh> 150 is a blank line
2014-06-01 18:44 <Aleric> and what column should the error be in?
2014-06-01 18:44 <Aleric> It's impossible that it returns line 147 if that is a comment :/
2014-06-01 18:45 <Aleric> Well not impossible, but my understanding of my own heuristics would not allow that I think.
2014-06-01 18:45 <Aleric> Hmm... actually it would, when it had to guess the line number itself :/
2014-06-01 18:45 <Plugh> um...why was I saying 49. I meant 65. 
2014-06-01 18:46 <Aleric> but that seems unlikely...
2014-06-01 18:46 <Aleric> <Aleric> and what column should the error be in?
2014-06-01 18:46 <Plugh> I can understand wrong line numbers for unterminated strings.
2014-06-01 18:46 <Aleric> Oh well, I'll try to write a script myself that causes this
2014-06-01 18:46 <Plugh> Around column 17 of 149?
2014-06-01 18:47 <Plugh> give a take a column or two.
2014-06-01 18:47 <Aleric> show line 65 too please
2014-06-01 18:47 <Plugh> Column 16 of line 149 has the first " that terminates the unterminated string from line 65.
2014-06-01 18:48 <Plugh> integer link_controls = "xxx;
2014-06-01 18:49 <Plugh> lots of variable declarations plus some blanks lines and comments in between 65 and 147
2014-06-01 18:50 <Aleric> I can't reproduce it.
2014-06-01 18:50 <Aleric> That is, it gets the line number right in my quick test script.
2014-06-01 18:51 <Aleric> Do you have any jump labels before line 149 ?
2014-06-01 18:53 <osmantis> Bug #6764:04 Mono debug line numbers are completely off 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6764 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-01 18:53 <Plugh> I didn't know until recently you could even use jump statements in LSL scripts. I certainly don't use them. 
2014-06-01 18:53 <Plugh> Give me a moment to extract a portion of this script that can reproduce the problem.
2014-06-01 18:54 <Aleric> ok
2014-06-01 18:57 <Plugh> now it gives me unexpected EOF which isn't right either. hm...
2014-06-01 19:01 <Plugh> Let me get back to this shortly. I have to finish prepping some notes for a grid meeting coming up in an hours time.
2014-06-01 19:01 <Aleric> k
2014-06-01 19:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #3620 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-01 19:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3620: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3620/
2014-06-01 19:06 <osjenkins> diva: Correct minor bug regarding packing of estate bans
2014-06-01 19:19 <Aleric> Plugh: it seems it has the line right, but then decrements the column with the number of newlines that follow to the NEXT quote...
2014-06-01 19:20 <Plugh> oh. That sounds a bit odd.
2014-06-01 19:20 <Aleric> So, the reason you get line 147 is because it gobbled up that many characters (starting at line 149).
2014-06-01 19:20 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-06-01 19:20 <Aleric> On which line is the first quote after line 149?
2014-06-01 19:20 <Aleric> Without that quote, you get the EOF error.
2014-06-01 19:21 <Plugh> I realize there is another issue. I changed the code to initialize an integer with what should have started to look like a string. That should have spat out an error.
2014-06-01 19:21 <Plugh> There were no lines with quotes between 65 and 149
2014-06-01 19:22 <Aleric> I said after
2014-06-01 19:22 <Plugh> oh. I stripped out pretty much everything after 149 except an empty default code block.
2014-06-01 19:22 <smxy> Oh, I'll update later and see if the map in my Firestorm works for HG again. Hopefully the fix took care of that too.
2014-06-01 19:23 <Aleric> Plugh: then you get the EOF error :/
2014-06-01 19:23 <Plugh> I'll add another line further down with another set of quotes and see what happens.
2014-06-01 19:24 <Aleric> I'm asking about your original file...
2014-06-01 19:24 <Aleric> <Aleric> On which line is the first quote after line 149?
2014-06-01 19:25 <Aleric> So now you go back to the original script - go to line 149 .. scroll down to the first quote, and tell me the line number :p.
2014-06-01 19:25 <Aleric> no wasting 5 minutes with other things first :/
2014-06-01 19:28 <Aleric> I bet it will at line 201
2014-06-01 19:28 <Aleric> will be*
2014-06-01 19:28 <Plugh> yup. it is.
2014-06-01 19:29 <Plugh> Part of one of my functions.
2014-06-01 19:29 <Aleric> Ok - so that explains line 147 then. I'll investigate why it translates newlines to character positions; also why it leaves the correct line; both things seems incorrect.
2014-06-01 19:30 <Plugh> Later I will have a closer look at the parser. It should have complained about seeing a " to initialize an integer.
2014-06-01 19:37 <Aleric> Plugh: Hmm ok - that doesn't even reach my code :p
2014-06-01 19:38 <Aleric> A missing quote fails at the parser level.
2014-06-01 19:38 <Aleric> My code translates line numbers from the compiler, which was never called.
2014-06-01 19:38 <Plugh> No. It is an error in the BNF used by the parser or in the parser itself.
2014-06-01 19:38 <Aleric> Well, I thought it was a bug in my patches.. but that's not the case thus.
2014-06-01 19:39 <Plugh> Which library or program needs to be rebuilt after applying the patch to bug 7195?
2014-06-01 19:39 <Plugh> oh, the lsl2cs stuff.
2014-06-01 19:40 <Plugh> I was puzzled a bit by you added a newline to end of one line but removed it from the NoOp() line.
2014-06-01 19:41 <Aleric> I didn't add a \n... I removed the \n from labelStatement.
2014-06-01 19:42 <Plugh> oh, right. Read that wrong.
2014-06-01 19:42 <Aleric> You can't just write a \n to the output file (the C# file) without incrementing m_CSharpLine and setting m_CSharpCol to 1.
2014-06-01 19:42 <Aleric> There is another bug by the way: m_CSharpCol is initialized to 0 I bet. that should be 1.
2014-06-01 19:43 <Aleric> You see that if you have an error in the very first line of a script, then the column is one off.
2014-06-01 19:43 <Plugh> line numbers are starting at 0 but columns start at 1?
2014-06-01 19:43 <Aleric> no, both start at 1 in the server. The both start at 0 in the viewer.
2014-06-01 19:43 <Aleric> They* both
2014-06-01 19:44 <Plugh> ok
2014-06-01 19:44 <Aleric> So, initializing it at 0 and incrementing it causes it to be one too little.
2014-06-01 19:44 <Aleric> That is corrected the first new line, cause then it's correctly initialized to 1.
2014-06-01 19:44 <Plugh> yes, it is initialized to 1 in the code generator.
2014-06-01 19:46 <Aleric> damn hungry... going to eat :/
2014-06-01 20:05 <Plugh> Time for my meeting. Back in about an hour.
2014-06-01 20:05 <Aleric>             // Removes all carriage return characters which may be generated in Windows platform. Is there
2014-06-01 20:05 <Aleric>             // cleaner way of doing this?
2014-06-01 20:05 <Aleric>             retstr = retstr.Replace("\r", "");
2014-06-01 20:05 <Aleric> lol
2014-06-01 20:06 <Aleric> I think I found my method for detecting if the script runs on opensim or not :p
2014-06-01 23:14 <diva_> so if the parcel settings has both "All residents" and "Group" unchecked for Create Objects, is it possible for certain roles of groups to still create objects there if the role has the power "Always create objects" on group land?
2014-06-01 23:15 <diva_> I would expect that, but it's not working that way
2014-06-01 23:15 <diva_> I wonder if there's a bug in opensim
2014-06-01 23:17 <diva_> Melanie_T ping
2014-06-01 23:17 <Melanie_T> diva_: pong
2014-06-01 23:18 <diva_> see my Q above
2014-06-01 23:18 <diva_> you're the master of permissions...
2014-06-01 23:18 <Melanie_T> the land needs to be DEEDED for that to work
2014-06-01 23:18 <diva_> I want to have a group where one role can build and the other can't
2014-06-01 23:18 <diva_> oh
2014-06-01 23:18 <Melanie_T> analog to SL, group detail permissions don't work on land that merely has the group SET
2014-06-01 23:19 <nebadon> i hate deeding stuff
2014-06-01 23:20 <diva_> so if I deed the land to the group, and I have a role that has "Always create objects" it should be able to create objects even if the parcel settings are oof for everyone and groups?
2014-06-01 23:20 <Melanie_T> diva_: correct
2014-06-01 23:20 <nebadon> don't you have to deed scripted objects for them to work on deeded land?
2014-06-01 23:20 <Melanie_T> provided that the permissions module in opensim respects that
2014-06-01 23:20 <Melanie_T> the avination one does
2014-06-01 23:20 <diva_> are you talking to me or neb? 
2014-06-01 23:21 <Melanie_T> nebadon: no. you only have to deed objects that try to teleport or push avatars
2014-06-01 23:21 <nebadon> ok or also touch media stuff right?
2014-06-01 23:21 <Melanie_T> diva_: that was for you
2014-06-01 23:21 <Melanie_T> nebadon: yes, also media
2014-06-01 23:21 <diva_> hmm that still doesn't work
2014-06-01 23:21 <Melanie_T> my shoutcast/icecast dj board uses a small unit that you deed and that communicates with the board, which is not deeded
2014-06-01 23:21 <Melanie_T> makes management lots easier
2014-06-01 23:22 <diva_> ok so I guess there's a bug in the permissions module
2014-06-01 23:22 <nebadon> nice, thats a good idea
2014-06-01 23:22 <Melanie_T> diva_: if the land is deeded and building is off for everyone and the group role allows building, it should work
2014-06-01 23:22 <Melanie_T> you MAY need to relog and/or restart the sim for it to become effective
2014-06-01 23:22 <diva_> k, let me try that
2014-06-01 23:22 <diva_> I did relog
2014-06-01 23:22 <Melanie_T> afk again
2014-06-01 23:24 <diva_> nope still doesn't work
2014-06-01 23:24 <diva_> I'm looking at the code and I see what's missing
2014-06-01 23:24 <diva_> so I"m just gonna fix it
2014-06-01 23:25 <AliciaRaven> diva_, thats strange because that works ok for me
2014-06-01 23:25 <diva_> it does? Note that I am setting group permission to build OFF in the options of the parcel
2014-06-01 23:25 <AliciaRaven> yes
2014-06-01 23:26 <diva_> I don't know how it can work because the code doesn't check the group powers at all
2014-06-01 23:26 <AliciaRaven> i have all our land deeded to a group, build is off for all and group in the land options, but users that have the group role to build can build ok
2014-06-01 23:27 <AliciaRaven> but i think they will be grid gods, but they dont have to enter god mode so would that still effect it?
2014-06-01 23:27 <diva_> are you using the opensim permissions module or something else?
2014-06-01 23:27 <diva_> oh
2014-06-01 23:27 <diva_> well if they're gods, then yes
2014-06-01 23:27 <diva_> I'm talking non-gods
2014-06-01 23:27 <AliciaRaven> even if they dont enter god mode?
2014-06-01 23:27 <diva_> yes
2014-06-01 23:28 <diva_> the code is checking if they are gods, no need to set god mode
2014-06-01 23:28 <AliciaRaven> ah ok sorry, didnt expect that to have an effect unless they entered god mode
2014-06-01 23:28 <diva_> but it's not checking the role powers
2014-06-01 23:33 <AliciaRaven> your correct diva_, i tested with an avatar that has group role to build but is not a god and she cant rez
2014-06-01 23:33 <diva_> yes, that's what the code is doing right now
2014-06-01 23:36 <Plugh> Woulnd't it make more sense for someone to enter god mode before god powers can be used?
2014-06-01 23:37 <Plugh> It could help prevent accidents.
2014-06-01 23:38 <Melanie_T> the perms mpdule should check group powers. i think i saw that in the opensim module as well
2014-06-01 23:38 <Melanie_T> Plugh: no, god powers and god mode don't work that way
2014-06-01 23:38 <diva_> it wasn't checking. I added it, I'm testing
2014-06-01 23:38 <Plugh> perhaps they should?
2014-06-01 23:39 <Melanie_T> since god users are given different object flags, if you were to limit god rights to actually being in god mode, you would have to resend the entire scene when a user goes in and out of god mode
2014-06-01 23:40 <diva_> alright! I fixed it
2014-06-01 23:40 <Plugh> I had a case where I was standing on a platform in the sky. I went to take an object of mine and instead I accidentally took the platform I was on. I wasn't in god mode. The platform wasn't mine and the platform had also been locked.
2014-06-01 23:40 <Melanie_T> so the viewer design makes it clear that god rights are not something that is meant to, or possible to, be turned on and off
2014-06-01 23:41 <Plugh> What is the purpose of that viewer request to enter a mode that changes the colour of the top bar in the viewer?
2014-06-01 23:41 <Plugh> If that isn't entering god mode, what is it really doing?
2014-06-01 23:42 <Melanie_T> it also hides the avatar from sensors and a few other things, like enabling additional menus
2014-06-01 23:42 <Melanie_T> but there is clearly no reasonable way to replace all the scene's object flags 
2014-06-01 23:42 <Melanie_T> i know your precise scenenario
2014-06-01 23:43 <Melanie_T> i have had it, too
2014-06-01 23:43 <Melanie_T> trying to delete a cube prim i made to expain something
2014-06-01 23:43 <Melanie_T> and deleting the welcome region's floor instead
2014-06-01 23:43 <Melanie_T> i learned to be very, very careful
2014-06-01 23:43 <Melanie_T> :/
2014-06-01 23:43 <Plugh> Is there no way to prevent that from happening via the permissions module?
2014-06-01 23:44 <AllenKerensky> you can set workspace floors to "locked" in object editor to provide a speed bump at least to prevent easily deleting them
2014-06-01 23:44 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: The platform I took was locked.
2014-06-01 23:44 <Melanie_T> no, not without making god/non-god transitions resend the entire scene
2014-06-01 23:44 <Melanie_T> to me, that is the greater evil
2014-06-01 23:44 <AllenKerensky> oh, taking... yeah that's not the same
2014-06-01 23:44 <Melanie_T> because it means you're frozen for half a minute
2014-06-01 23:44 <Melanie_T> and if you are switching to god mode to counter a griefer, you don't have that amount of time to spare
2014-06-01 23:45 <Plugh> Almost sounds like a poor way to do things but I don't know the details of those scene flags you are talking about and how they are used. To me, it would just be that you are in god mode or not and then different perms might apply.
2014-06-01 23:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #3621 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-01 23:46 <Plugh> yay, diva
2014-06-01 23:46 <Melanie_T> Plugh: the ossies with god mode/non god mode lie with axis arrows and object contents
2014-06-01 23:47 <Melanie_T> in order to allow god mode to function as designed, the god user is served up object flags that indicate they are the object owner
2014-06-01 23:47 <Melanie_T> so they can move the object
2014-06-01 23:47 <Melanie_T> the viewer handles this locally
2014-06-01 23:47 <Melanie_T> so if you were to not set the flags, you would get no axis arrows, etc
2014-06-01 23:48 <Melanie_T> if you then switch to god mode, in order for the edit arrows, selectability, etc, to function, the flags have to be sent for the entire scene
2014-06-01 23:48 <Melanie_T> which means a full update for every object
2014-06-01 23:49 <Melanie_T> the time that takes is prohibitive when you have to deal wth griefers
2014-06-01 23:49 <Melanie_T> of course, you might prefer a broken user experience
2014-06-01 23:49 <Melanie_T> if you were to send the flags in GenerateObjectFlags as if the user were god
2014-06-01 23:50 <Melanie_T> but block the actions unless god mode is activated
2014-06-01 23:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3621: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3621/
2014-06-01 23:50 <osjenkins> diva: Fixes a permissions bug where a user with group powers to always rez was not being given permission to rez on group land.
2014-06-01 23:50 <Melanie_T> then the god user would see themselves modifying a prim but no one else would see it and it would not actually be modified
2014-06-01 23:50 <Melanie_T> same as the viewer bug where, if you select a bunch of prims you don't own and select one you own last and then mass-retexture them
2014-06-01 23:50 <Melanie_T> you will see all prims change
2014-06-01 23:51 <Melanie_T> but only your prim will actually change
2014-06-01 23:51 <Melanie_T> the viewer operates in "no fail" mode, means, it assumes that all ops that it sends to the server will execute
2014-06-01 23:51 <Melanie_T> if they don't, your user experience gets broken
2014-06-01 23:51 <Plugh> Sounds like a complicated way to do things instead of using a single global flag. I don't notice any delay the rare times I request god mode.
2014-06-01 23:51 <Melanie_T> we love config options and it would be trivial to make a config to allow this scenario
2014-06-01 23:51 <Plugh> oh.
2014-06-01 23:52 <Melanie_T> if the viewer were to handle axis arrows and object contents on prims locally for god/non god, that would not be an issue
2014-06-01 23:53 <Melanie_T> so, some hybrid mode of operation may be possible but the god user's experience would not be as expected
2014-06-01 23:53 <Melanie_T> and since most opensim users are gods on their own standalones, that would cause a wave of bug reports
2014-06-01 23:53 <Melanie_T> like i moved prim X and when i logged back in it was where it was before
2014-06-01 23:53 <Melanie_T> i would not want to support all those, really not
2014-06-01 23:55 <Melanie_T> anyway, such a change would be almost completely local to the permissions module
2014-06-01 23:59 <Plugh> It sounds a bit convoluted to me. I suppose it makes sense if you understand the code base better than I. I would have expected that if the system decided you can move something it gets moved and everyone sees it move and that's that.
2014-06-01 23:59 <Melanie_T> nope
2014-06-01 23:59 <Plugh> Stuff like this is why I prefer to deal with more isolated parts of the code.
2014-06-02 00:00 <Melanie_T> if your viewer believes you can move it, it will be moved locally to give better feedback
2014-06-02 00:00 <Melanie_T> else you'd have to wait for one round trip to see it move
2014-06-02 00:00 <Melanie_T> but i believe this is actuallya  wothwhile option to do
2014-06-02 00:00 <Melanie_T> and i know just how to do it
2014-06-02 00:00 <Plugh> But at some point after you move something everyone else needs to be notified the item has moved.
2014-06-02 00:01 <Plugh> ok.
2014-06-02 00:01 <Melanie_T> i think i can make it so that you move it, it will happenf or you
2014-06-02 00:01 <Melanie_T> and some fracttion of a second later, it would pop back where it was
2014-06-02 00:01 <Melanie_T> indicating that you're not in god mode
2014-06-02 00:01 <Plugh> How is that useful??
2014-06-02 00:02 <Melanie_T> i can't prevent the viewer showing you that you moved it - that happens locally
2014-06-02 00:02 <Melanie_T> but i CAN prevent you forever seeing it in the wrong position
2014-06-02 00:02 <Melanie_T> by sending an update for every object you tried to move but weren't allowed to
2014-06-02 00:02 <Melanie_T> that may make "god mode" work as expecte
2014-06-02 00:03 <Melanie_T> e.g. not let you break things unless your menu is green...
2014-06-02 00:03 <Melanie_T> added benefit is that you can use your owner avatar to test normal user permissions - something we grid runner/creators always needed non-god alts for
2014-06-02 00:04 <Melanie_T> so, yes, well worth doing
2014-06-02 00:04 <Plugh> If we are still talking about the same basic topic, sounds good. That would be the second thing that got fixed because I raised a topic. :)
2014-06-02 00:04 <Melanie_T> raise a topic = raise awareness
2014-06-02 00:04 <Plugh> yup
2014-06-02 00:05 <Melanie_T> do it when the person cenversant witht he topic is aroung = get a fix
2014-06-02 00:05 <Plugh> I also have the benefit of fresh eyes as I have never dug in to the code base. I think about behaviour that makes sense to me as a user.
2014-06-02 00:05 <Plugh> yup
2014-06-02 00:06 <Plugh> Not dug in to the code base that deep.
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2014-06-02 02:25 <smxy> Figures. I just updated. :)
2014-06-02 02:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #3622 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-02 02:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3622: SUCCESS in 8 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3622/
2014-06-02 02:32 <osjenkins> misterblue: Send multiple terrain patches per terrain update packet if terrain
2014-06-02 02:33 <Melanie_T> Misterblue: pm?
2014-06-02 05:27 <osmantis> Bug #7201:04 Terrainediting with Firestorm is buggy 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7201 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-02 06:23 <AliciaRaven> cant get a reference to IUserProfilesService from a region module, the usual call to Scene.RequestModuleInterface returns null :(
2014-06-02 06:51 <osmantis> Bug #6789:04 BulletSim: Consuming vast amounts of CPU 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-06-02 07:14 <osmantis> Bug #6789:04 BulletSim: Consuming vast amounts of CPU 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-02 11:14 <osmantis> Bug #7202:04 Loading OAR Failes to restore parcel data 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7202 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-02 11:15 <osmantis> Bug #7202:04 Loading OAR Fails to restore parcel data 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7202 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-06-02 12:18 <Aleric> Where is justin? Haven't seen him in a week
2014-06-02 12:49 <smxy> He's been on.
2014-06-02 12:50 <Aleric> hi
2014-06-02 13:14 <nebadon> he usually is not around on weekends
2014-06-02 13:15 <nebadon> im sure he will be around later today sometime though
2014-06-02 13:19 <Aleric> I'd like to fix the line number bug in the script parser too, but I have no idea where to look :/
2014-06-02 13:19 <Aleric> Can someone tell me where the code is that parses literal strings in LSL?
2014-06-02 13:20 <Aleric> I can't even find where the '"' quote character is in the code that should be there to know where a string starts or ends :p
2014-06-02 13:20 <nebadon> Melanie_T probably knows more about Xengine than anyone
2014-06-02 13:20 <Aleric> Melanie_T: ping
2014-06-02 13:21 <lkalif> it's a generated flex parser
2014-06-02 13:21 <lkalif> iirc
2014-06-02 13:21 <lkalif> if i remember correctly it's in the "tools" prebuilt library
2014-06-02 13:24 <Aleric> I looked there, but I can't find where it parses string literals
2014-06-02 13:24 <lkalif> it's a generated parser. I doubt it's humanly readable
2014-06-02 13:25 <lkalif> I don't know if you're familiar with how flex works
2014-06-02 13:25 <Aleric> no
2014-06-02 13:25 <lkalif> I had a whole semester in parsers... let me try to do a tl;dr; version
2014-06-02 13:26 <lkalif> you write a set of rules, called grammar, (looks like bunch of regular expressions)
2014-06-02 13:26 <Aleric> What is a tl;dr; version?
2014-06-02 13:26 <lkalif> from this set of rules, flex generates parser. 
2014-06-02 13:26 <nebadon> to long didnt read
2014-06-02 13:27 <lkalif> the generated code is full of state machines, goto statements, etc., it's not really meant to be read by a human
2014-06-02 13:27 <lkalif> if you want to fix something in parsing, you fix this template, and regenerate code
2014-06-02 13:27 <Aleric> Generated code shouldn't be in git imho...
2014-06-02 13:28 <lkalif> well the viewer also does it as it simpliefies things
2014-06-02 13:28 <lkalif> removes compile-time dependency on flex/bison tools
2014-06-02 13:28 <lkalif> the viewer used to require flex/bison to regenerate parsers
2014-06-02 13:29 <lkalif> and probably version of flex parser generator that spits out c# is even more rare to find
2014-06-02 13:33 <Aleric> 
ACTION ran into http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7156

2014-06-02 13:34 <lkalif> doesn't seem related to string parsing?
2014-06-02 13:34 <osmantis> Bug #7156:04 llPassTouches(TRUE) not restored to child prim if script removed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7156 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-02 13:34 <Aleric> No, it's not
2014-06-02 13:37 <osmantis> Bug #7156:04 llPassTouches(TRUE) not restored to child prim if script removed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7156 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2014-06-02 13:39 <Aleric> 
ACTION wonders if it's legal when my bf reports it and I confirm it :p.  But hey, I now independently ran into it and verified that the problem was that touch wasn't passed anymore, and things worked again by calling llPassTouches(TRUE) :p

2014-06-02 13:41 <lkalif> it's difficult to match every little SL quirk
2014-06-02 13:41 <lkalif> there is so much of it
2014-06-02 13:42 <Aleric> This is clearly a bug though... it's undesirable to have the current behavior.
2014-06-02 13:42 <Aleric> Adding a script and immediately removing it shouldn't screw up the object permanently, even over resets.
2014-06-02 13:43 <lkalif> agreed
2014-06-02 13:43 <lkalif> but some other things behaive exectæy like that
2014-06-02 13:43 <Aleric> Besides, the docs (on the wiki) state that it should work like it does in SL
2014-06-02 13:43 <lkalif> like setting hover text
2014-06-02 13:43 <Aleric> I know - this is an exception.
2014-06-02 13:44 <osmantis> Bug #7203:04 after restoration, cannot restart server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7203 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-02 15:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #3623 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-02 15:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3623: SUCCESS in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3623/
2014-06-02 15:50 <osjenkins> diva: Added a ResetLand method to RemoteAdmin, whereby all land is reset with the given parameters.
2014-06-02 16:16 <Plugh> Morning, Aleric
2014-06-02 17:32 <osmantis> Bug #7201:04 Terrainediting with Firestorm is buggy 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7201 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-02 18:30 <Aleric> Region (root) # * Assertion at mono-threads-posix.c:47, condition `!post_result' not met
2014-06-02 19:58 <osmantis> Bug #7204:04 Bulletsim VarRegion: Recently started crashing on sim startup - Exception: System.NullReferenceException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7204 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-02 19:59 <osmantis> Bug #7204:04 Bulletsim VarRegion recently started crashing on sim startup - Red errors: Exception: System.NullReferenceException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7204 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-06-02 21:25 <smxy> Misterblue: ping
2014-06-02 22:03 <smxy> nebadon: ping
2014-06-02 22:04 <nebadon> hey smxy
2014-06-02 22:04 <smxy> Hi. You said you run a grid of vars, right?
2014-06-02 22:04 <nebadon> several
2014-06-02 22:05 <smxy> Okay, so I have this one legacy region that is an island by itself - no neighbors.
2014-06-02 22:06 <smxy> I want to plop an oar of it in the middle of a var that's the size of a 3x3, with no new lan around it - just water all the way around.
2014-06-02 22:06 <smxy> Will the impact to the simulator be significantly greater than now?
2014-06-02 22:08 <nebadon> no shouldnt be any different
2014-06-02 22:08 <smxy> How is the state of TPing in and out of a var these days?
2014-06-02 22:08 <nebadon> fine as far as I can tell
2014-06-02 22:08 <nebadon> I have very little trouble with vars
2014-06-02 22:09 <smxy> Okay, great. You've convinced me to give it a try. Thanks! :)
2014-06-02 22:09 <lkalif> you will crash teleporting from old sim to var
2014-06-02 22:09 <nebadon> no problem
2014-06-02 22:09 <lkalif> if your old sim is pre 0.8
2014-06-02 22:09 <nebadon> eww pre 0.8
2014-06-02 22:09 <smxy> what about people coming in over HG to it?
2014-06-02 22:09 <nebadon> thats some caveman style opensim'n
2014-06-02 22:09 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-02 22:09 <lkalif> lol
2014-06-02 22:10 <lkalif> there are plentu of 0.76 on osgrid it seems
2014-06-02 22:10 <nebadon> ya
2014-06-02 22:10 <nebadon> the only other downside is if you need ODE
2014-06-02 22:11 <smxy> will they crash if they HG TP in to the var from off-grid abd pre-0.8?
2014-06-02 22:11 <nebadon> but otherwise in an all 0.8 world vars are great
2014-06-02 22:11 <lkalif> smxy: yes
2014-06-02 22:11 <smxy> f*ck.
2014-06-02 22:11 <smxy> This is my gate region I want to do this to.
2014-06-02 22:11 <lkalif> yes, gate region is a good idea
2014-06-02 22:12 <nebadon> well people have to move forward at some point
2014-06-02 22:12 <nebadon> cant stay in the past forever
2014-06-02 22:12 <smxy> Yes, but I have no control over all the places people will come to it from.
2014-06-02 22:12 <nebadon> yea
2014-06-02 22:13 <smxy> Well, that screws that idea for about 2 major releases.
2014-06-02 22:13 <nebadon> ya probably a good idea to wait until at least 0.8 release is out
2014-06-02 22:13 <nebadon> why 2 releases?
2014-06-02 22:14 <smxy> No, people will stay on 0.7.6 for ages ...
2014-06-02 22:14 <smxy> once something after 0.8 is out, they'll start to move.
2014-06-02 22:14 <nebadon> wierdos
2014-06-02 22:14 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-02 22:14 <smxy> Yes, but I can't cut everyone off from a region that's there for them to come to.
2014-06-02 22:14 <nebadon> i guess im not surpised 25% of all windows machines still run XP
2014-06-02 22:16 <smxy> I don't understand why they would crash. The receiving grid/region creates them in itself, so why shouldn't it set them up without crashing?
2014-06-02 22:16 <nebadon> protocol changes if I recall
2014-06-02 22:16 <osmantis> Bug #6813:04 Ground sit fails on prim, avatar is going to sit on the terrain. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-02 22:16 <nebadon> vars handle things very differently
2014-06-02 22:17 <lkalif> the problem is that the departing region has to tell the viewer how big the destination is
2014-06-02 22:17 <lkalif> but if departing region is running stuff pre-varregions, it doesn't have a concept of destination region sizes
2014-06-02 22:17 <smxy> That seems weird. Shouldn't the destination tell you how big it is?
2014-06-02 22:18 <Ken_S> nebadon, I have exeperienced and had complaints about TPing from a var to a regular sim.
2014-06-02 22:18 <AliciaRaven> firestorm has an annoying bug with var regions still http://jira.phoenixviewer.com/browse/FIRE-13903
2014-06-02 22:18 <nebadon> I have not experienced that myself Ken_S
2014-06-02 22:18 <nebadon> everything is updated fully?
2014-06-02 22:18 <Ken_S> It seems to fail and log the user off about 10% of the time.
2014-06-02 22:18 <nebadon> most of my grids are running master 
2014-06-02 22:18 <Ken_S> Yes, both ends of the TP are the latest dev master
2014-06-02 22:19 <nebadon> home hosted regions or data center?
2014-06-02 22:19 <nebadon> behind home routers that is
2014-06-02 22:19 <Ken_S> About 10 seconds after the TP completes, the viewer locks up and sometimes screen turns white.
2014-06-02 22:19 <nebadon> just about all of my testing is on over powered data center servers with 100mb+ pipes
2014-06-02 22:19 <nebadon> huh, i have not seen that
2014-06-02 22:19 <nebadon> what viewer?
2014-06-02 22:20 <Ken_S> Sometimes it completes after a 10-12 second lockup, other times it stays locked up and logs you off
2014-06-02 22:20 <nebadon> I mostly use Singularity or Replex
2014-06-02 22:20 <nebadon> and occasionaly i use Firestorm for Machinima
2014-06-02 22:20 <Ken_S> FS, Replxe, and sing.
2014-06-02 22:20 <nebadon> wierd
2014-06-02 22:20 <nebadon> my models are crazy complex too
2014-06-02 22:20 <nebadon> with traffic simulation and stuff
2014-06-02 22:20 <smxy> Replex?
2014-06-02 22:20 <Ken_S> Its worse if the viewer is on a slower connection.
2014-06-02 22:20 <nebadon> Replex is lkalifs fork of Singularity
2014-06-02 22:21 <nebadon> thats what I was wondering Ken_S
2014-06-02 22:21 <nebadon> that kind of doesnt surprise me
2014-06-02 22:21 <smxy> aha. Link? :)
2014-06-02 22:21 <Ken_S> Replex seems less apt to do this that sing from what I have seen.
2014-06-02 22:21 <lkalif> http://files.streamgrid.net/replex/
2014-06-02 22:21 <smxy> tyvm :)
2014-06-02 22:21 <nebadon> lkalif replex doesnt have update notices?
2014-06-02 22:22 <lkalif> I have not advertised it around much... 
2014-06-02 22:22 <Ken_S> Some users tell me some building issues are better with Replex too.
2014-06-02 22:22 <lkalif> nebadon: you want update notice for each new alpha?
2014-06-02 22:22 <nebadon> oh thats right its alpha
2014-06-02 22:22 <nebadon> but yes actually I would
2014-06-02 22:22 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-02 22:22 <lkalif> hehe
2014-06-02 22:22 <smxy> so would I :)
2014-06-02 22:22 <Ken_S> Yes that would be cool 
2014-06-02 22:22 <smxy> always want to play with your newest bits. :)
2014-06-02 22:22 <lkalif> It has update notices, I just didn't use it for alphas
2014-06-02 22:23 <smxy> oooh, that didn't sound right. :p
2014-06-02 22:23 <nebadon> ok
2014-06-02 22:23 <lkalif> but now that there is popular demand, I will
2014-06-02 22:23 <nebadon> well I wouldnt be upset if there was
2014-06-02 22:23 <lkalif> I just added Windows 64 parcel media support
2014-06-02 22:23 <nebadon> i guess you could always make an option to disable it
2014-06-02 22:23 <lkalif> (quicktime)
2014-06-02 22:23 <nebadon> nice
2014-06-02 22:23 <Ken_S> I did submit a bug report today about the var to normal sim TP issue along with 2 log files.
2014-06-02 22:24 <Ken_S> Actually wait, the bug was about var startup crashing. Have not submitted one for TP crashing yet.
2014-06-02 22:26 <smxy> So, one way I could get around it then, would be to have them land in a legacy region and then go through a gate to the var, assuming Ken's issue isn't a show-stopper, right?
2014-06-02 22:26 <lkalif> smxy: no, just regular size new code
2014-06-02 22:26 <smxy> wait, he's going var to legacy, so tht wouldn't be an issue.
2014-06-02 22:26 <lkalif> that should not be an issue
2014-06-02 22:27 <Ken_S> I am going var to normal sim, both with latest code.
2014-06-02 22:28 <smxy> Right. They could HG TP into my grid, from pre-0.8 and land on an 0.8 ;egacy region, which should work, if I understand you, then I can have them walk through a gate to the var region, which would also work. Yes?
2014-06-02 22:28 <Ken_S> idk
2014-06-02 22:30 <smxy> As long as they enter my grid in a legacy region, they should arrive okay. That's what they do now, as I'm running head from yesterday.
2014-06-02 22:30 <smxy> Then I have them TP to the var which is running the same code, so that should work too.
2014-06-02 22:31 <lkalif> smxy: entering your grid into a regular size region is the important bit. 
2014-06-02 22:31 <lkalif> not "legacy region"
2014-06-02 22:31 <smxy> sorry, that is what I meant, but apparently said wrong. :)
2014-06-02 22:32 <lkalif> my cat just brought me a live mouse from outside... agin
2014-06-02 22:32 <lkalif> again
2014-06-02 22:33 <smxy> Then that will be perfect. Right now, they enter a building in the sky and go through a gate to the ground. I'll just change the gate to go to the ground on the var and they'll never know the difference. :)
2014-06-02 22:33 <smxy> It likes you and is bringing you food. :)
2014-06-02 22:35 <nebadon> my cat wouldnt kill mice either
2014-06-02 22:35 <nebadon> it would just play with them, catch and release style
2014-06-02 22:35 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-02 22:35 <nebadon> he would wreck lizards though
2014-06-02 22:35 <smxy> heh
2014-06-02 22:35 <lkalif> yeah, that's what mine was doing now
2014-06-02 22:35 <lkalif> sometimes he does eat them at the end
2014-06-02 22:35 <nebadon> haha
2014-06-02 22:36 <lkalif> but usually i catch the mouse and let it go
2014-06-02 22:36 <nebadon> I think it was because for a long time I had some pet mice and hamsters
2014-06-02 22:36 <nebadon> and he used to be totally facinated by them in the big tank
2014-06-02 22:36 <lkalif> when I let the mouse go, then my cat spends the next 30 min looking around the house, where did it go lol
2014-06-02 22:36 <nebadon> haha
2014-06-02 22:37 <Plugh> lkalif: my cat will do the same if I take a live mouse from him. :)
2014-06-02 22:38 <lkalif> hehe
2014-06-02 22:39 <lkalif> I amost feel sorry for him, he was so proud coming back insinde announcing very loudly his catch lol
2014-06-02 22:41 <smxy> My cats are indoors only. My 12 year old female, Xena, hunts pieces of paper and loudly  announces her catches too and brings them to me. :)
2014-06-02 22:42 <lkalif> :)
2014-06-02 22:43 <smxy> She loves it when I leave the mail lying around (which I do on purpose). :)
2014-06-02 22:58 <smxy> lkalif: Is there a website for Replex yet? Someplace we can see what the latest changes you've made, are?
2014-06-02 22:58 <smxy> Oh, wait ...
2014-06-02 22:58 <smxy> Little link in corner of page ...
2014-06-02 22:58 <smxy> Oh. Well, that answers that. :)
2014-06-02 22:59 <lkalif> there is a list of commits for each build show more >>
2014-06-02 23:00 <smxy> changes, not more, but yeah. Thanks. :)
2014-06-02 23:00 <lkalif> I have not advertised Replex anywhere really, still have to decide if I want to commit to it fully
2014-06-02 23:00 <smxy> I just told someone about it. Better decide before more find out about it. :)
2014-06-02 23:01 <lkalif> Nothing bad will happen if they try it :)
2014-06-02 23:02 <smxy> Didn't think it would, but they'd be disappointed if you abandoned it.
2014-06-02 23:02 <nebadon> lkalif is there anyway to make the viewer able to use more than 512mb GPU memory?
2014-06-02 23:02 <nebadon> makes me sad that my laptop has 4gb DDR5 on the GPU and I can only use 512mb???
2014-06-02 23:03 <lkalif> not my area of expertise, but I will ask people who do know
2014-06-02 23:03 <nebadon> thanks
2014-06-02 23:03 <nebadon> tell em to make it work with this > http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/03/25/titan-z/
2014-06-02 23:03 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-02 23:03 <smxy> lkalif: I'm dumb. What does this do: Set RenderTextureMemoryMultiple to 1.0 on Macs
2014-06-02 23:04 <lkalif> nebadon: that card is for rendering stuff with blender and maya ;)
2014-06-02 23:04 <lkalif> not for mere mortals like us
2014-06-02 23:04 <nebadon> haha
2014-06-02 23:05 <nebadon> ya but my modls are gigantic
2014-06-02 23:05 <nebadon> i need this
2014-06-02 23:05 <nebadon> 135 regions with potentially millions of prims
2014-06-02 23:05 <nebadon> hehe
2014-06-02 23:05 <nebadon> all visisble the second you log in
2014-06-02 23:05 <smxy> Jesus.
2014-06-02 23:05 <lkalif> cwazy stuff
2014-06-02 23:06 <nebadon> we have 100s of moving vehciles and npcs
2014-06-02 23:06 <nebadon> full traffic simulation
2014-06-02 23:06 <nebadon> trains, buses, cars, bicycles
2014-06-02 23:06 <lkalif> what was that old movie with yul brynner
2014-06-02 23:07 <smxy> Moses? :)
2014-06-02 23:07 <lkalif> with the amusement park that turns out to be run by androids
2014-06-02 23:07 <smxy> The Ten Commandments, I mean.
2014-06-02 23:07 <nebadon> http://projectrep.com/4dialog/Static%20Night%2001.mp4
2014-06-02 23:07 <smxy> Westworld
2014-06-02 23:07 <lkalif> smxy: yeah, Westworld
2014-06-02 23:08 <lkalif> nebadon's description of his sims reminded me of Westworld
2014-06-02 23:08 <smxy> ah :)
2014-06-02 23:08 <nebadon> hehe
2014-06-02 23:08 <smxy> So, what does that texture change do on the Mac, anyway?
2014-06-02 23:08 <lkalif> great movie, btw. I wonder if it holds up
2014-06-02 23:08 <lkalif> smxy: I don't know exactly
2014-06-02 23:09 <nebadon> http://projectrep.com/4dialog/Biker%20Dusty%2001.mp4
2014-06-02 23:09 <nebadon> these are just small areas of the model
2014-06-02 23:09 <nebadon> its considertably larger than these videos
2014-06-02 23:09 <smxy> You added it and you don't know what it does? :)
2014-06-02 23:09 <smxy> That's very cool, nebadon
2014-06-02 23:09 <lkalif> it was a merge
2014-06-02 23:10 <Ken_S> Would be great if NVidia add the simulators to their list of software they can optimize to.
2014-06-02 23:10 <lkalif> nice windlight preset
2014-06-02 23:10 <lkalif> looks like sweden
2014-06-02 23:11 <smxy> Her hair needs to be blowing in the wind and the wheels need to turn. :P
2014-06-02 23:11 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-02 23:11 <lkalif> yeah i noticed non turning wheels too
2014-06-02 23:11 <nebadon> that swhy i need 4gb GPU memory support
2014-06-02 23:11 <nebadon> ya we dont animate wheels
2014-06-02 23:11 <nebadon> its not needed
2014-06-02 23:11 <H-H-H> is that opensim! ?
2014-06-02 23:11 <nebadon> yes
2014-06-02 23:12 <H-H-H> wow thats frikin awesome dude
2014-06-02 23:12 <nebadon> http://projectrep.com/4dialog/Uppsala2_001-stream.mp4
2014-06-02 23:15 <lkalif> nebadon: if you don't have the latest Replex Alpha, you should get notification on the login screen
2014-06-02 23:15 <nebadon> ok
2014-06-02 23:15 <nebadon> let met try
2014-06-02 23:15 <nebadon> yep nice
2014-06-02 23:16 <lkalif> I'll keep these up to date. They are not annoying I think
2014-06-02 23:16 <paulieflomar> I read that Bullet 3 supports fully GPU-based physics. Will we update Bullet to version 3 and be able to take advantage of server accelerated physics? 
2014-06-02 23:19 <nebadon> I think the version of bullet we use supports GPU
2014-06-02 23:19 <nebadon> but right now our implementation is single thread only
2014-06-02 23:19 <nebadon> the best we can do is run bulletsim in its own thread
2014-06-02 23:19 <nebadon> but its still a single thread only
2014-06-02 23:20 <nebadon> GPU is like 1000s of small threads
2014-06-02 23:22 <dahlia> paulieflomar: my guess is that few servers have GPUs available anyway
2014-06-02 23:23 <zadarkAlt1> Like EVGA EVGA GeForce GTX TITAN Z Superclocked w/ G-Sync Support12GB GDDR5, 768bit, DVI, HDMI,DP, SLI 12G-P4-3992-KR Graphics Cards 12G-P4-3992-KR lol
2014-06-02 23:24 <paulieflomar> 12GB?! swoon!
2014-06-02 23:25 <lkalif> zadarkAlt1: that's just pr0n :P
2014-06-02 23:26 <H-H-H> 1 quarter of that is more than my whole machine has
2014-06-02 23:40 <smxy> oooh/ my MariaDB just gave me a max_allowed_packet error when I tried to start up my first var (768x768). What's a good value to set that to?
2014-06-02 23:42 <smxy> I'm surprised I didn't have it set already.
2014-06-02 23:49 <smxy> lkalif: ping
2014-06-02 23:50 <smxy> I set up a 768x768 var called Eld2 (there's already a normal-sized region called Eld) and when I searched for Eld in my Replex map, I get Eld and 9 "Eld2"s.
2014-06-02 23:50 <smxy> 9? Should be 1. :)
2014-06-02 23:50 <smxy> In the search results list, that is.
2014-06-02 23:50 <lkalif> that's how Misterblue decided to implement it
2014-06-02 23:53 <smxy> That's ... unfortunate. It should show up as 1 region.
2014-06-02 23:56 <lkalif> The way this was implemented in opensim you will get map filled with regular 256 regions
2014-06-02 23:56 <lkalif> It's not that a big deal ;)
2014-06-02 23:57 <Melanie_T> a proper implementation would need viewerside support. i don't know if there is any yet and if it's matured enough
2014-06-02 23:57 <danbanner> smxy i use max_allowed_packet = 32M
2014-06-02 23:57 <Melanie_T> also, there are legacy UDP map tiles as well as http map tiles
2014-06-02 23:58 <lkalif> aurora implemented it by streatching map tiles (udp ones)
2014-06-02 23:58 <lkalif> or sending bigger web ones
2014-06-02 23:58 <Melanie_T> doesn't that still need a way to tell the viewer that a given tile is all one region?
2014-06-02 23:59 <lkalif> yes, and it does
2014-06-02 23:59 <Melanie_T> i don't knw what made Misterblue do it this way, but maybe it was based on support in all popular viewers, rather than being bleeding edge
2014-06-03 00:00 <lkalif> Misterblue's method is easier on the viewers, I see nothing wrong with it
2014-06-03 00:00 <lkalif> the little side effect on the map search is ok with me
2014-06-03 00:00 <Melanie_T> otoh, maybe map search name list results could be hqndld better serverside
2014-06-03 00:00 <Melanie_T> handled*
2014-06-03 00:00 <lkalif> yes
2014-06-03 00:00 <lkalif> you could just implement a simple unique name filter
2014-06-03 00:00 <smxy> It looks dumb gettng back 9 search entries for 1 region. Perhaps the server could strip duplicates before sending the results?
2014-06-03 00:00 <Melanie_T> no
2014-06-03 00:01 <smxy> What he said
2014-06-03 00:01 <Melanie_T> you'd want to select the center region in an odd-sized one
2014-06-03 00:01 <Melanie_T> and one of the centered regions in an even sized one
2014-06-03 00:01 <lkalif> what do you do on 2x2 ;)
2014-06-03 00:01 <Melanie_T> so the map cursor gets centered in the var
2014-06-03 00:01 <Melanie_T> not in one corner
2014-06-03 00:01 <Melanie_T> "one of the center ones"
2014-06-03 00:01 <Melanie_T> a 2 x 2 is all center ons
2014-06-03 00:02 <Melanie_T> i'd opt for bottom left
2014-06-03 00:02 <Melanie_T> to match expectations born from megas
2014-06-03 00:03 <osmantis> Bug #6813:04 Ground sit fails on prim, avatar is going to sit on the terrain. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-06-03 01:18 <smxy> danbanner: re: packet size: thanks :)
2014-06-03 01:18 <danbanner> yw
2014-06-03 01:22 <smxy> ugh. I suck at math. If I want to load an oar into the middle 256x256 of a 768x768 varregion, what is the offset argument I need to give to load oar?
2014-06-03 01:24 <Plugh> The offset is one region in x and y so 256m in both directions.
2014-06-03 01:24 <smxy> what do I put in for z?
2014-06-03 01:24 <smxy> 0?
2014-06-03 01:25 <Plugh> 0 unless the middle region is higher or lower than the original region used to create the oar.
2014-06-03 01:25 <Melanie_T> 768-256/2
2014-06-03 01:25 <smxy> The var's land is all at 0m. The new land would get set however the terrain in the oars is, yes?
2014-06-03 01:27 <smxy> Melanie_T: (768-256)/2 or 768-(256/2)? :)
2014-06-03 01:27 <Melanie_T> the former
2014-06-03 01:27 <smxy> okay.
2014-06-03 01:27 <Melanie_T> basic 2d gfx math
2014-06-03 01:28 <smxy> There's a reason why I'm not a mathemetician. :)
2014-06-03 01:35 <smxy> That worked awesomely well. Thanks for the help. :)
2014-06-03 01:39 <Plugh> You have to indicate the new center position for an oar load when using the offset feature? I would have expected to state the amount of shift of items from their original location.
2014-06-03 01:40 <Melanie_T> offset means the amount to add to X and Y
2014-06-03 01:40 <Melanie_T> center is center
2014-06-03 01:40 <Melanie_T> offeset is not center
2014-06-03 01:41 <Plugh> Right. If I'm moving an object in a var region to a position that is one standard sim to the east I would have an offset of 256m.
2014-06-03 01:41 <Plugh> Not 384.
2014-06-03 01:47 <smxy> (768-256)/2 = 256, just what you told me.
2014-06-03 01:48 <smxy> You both gave me the correct answer.
2014-06-03 01:49 <smxy> lkalif: I know I should know this, but where in the settings do I enable double-click TP? :)
2014-06-03 01:49 <smxy> I'll be darmned if I can find it.
2014-06-03 01:49 <smxy> damned*
2014-06-03 02:10 <Plugh> Is that a viewer setting or grid setting?
2014-06-03 02:13 <smxy> viewer
2014-06-03 02:13 <smxy> I cannot find it though.
2014-06-03 02:15 <smxy> Finally found it on the third time through.
2014-06-03 02:25 <smxy> You know what an oar doesn't save, and should? windlight/lightshare settings.
2014-06-03 02:25 <smxy> At least optionally.
2014-06-03 03:42 <osmantis> Bug #7204:04 Bulletsim VarRegion recently started crashing on sim startup - Red errors: Exception: System.NullReferenceException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7204 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-06-03 03:46 <osmantis> Bug #7204:04 Bulletsim VarRegion recently started crashing on sim startup - Red errors: Exception: System.NullReferenceException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7204 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-03 04:01 <osmantis> Bug #7204:04 Bulletsim VarRegion recently started crashing on sim startup - Red errors: Exception: System.NullReferenceException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7204 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-06-03 04:04 <osmantis> Bug #7204:04 Bulletsim VarRegion recently started crashing on sim startup - Red errors: Exception: System.NullReferenceException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7204 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-03 04:34 <osmantis> Bug #7204:04 Bulletsim VarRegion recently started crashing on sim startup - Red errors: Exception: System.NullReferenceException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7204 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-06-03 04:36 <lkalif> smxy: prefs -> system, top option
2014-06-03 06:03 <smxy> Yeah, I eventually found it. :) Thanks.
2014-06-03 06:15 <Plugh> smxy: Interesting thought. You should mantis that.
2014-06-03 14:00 <osmantis> Bug #7205:04 Windlight and Lightshare settings are not saved to oars. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7205 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-03 17:28 <osmantis> Bug #7206:04 With "force permissions false", avatars can remove clothing, but cannot wear clothing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7206 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-03 19:56 <Plugh> nebadon: ping
2014-06-03 19:59 <nebadon> hey Plugh
2014-06-03 19:59 <nebadon> whats up?
2014-06-03 20:01 <Plugh> nebadon: Not sure if I should go PM or not. Looking for some information about migrating a grid to SRAS.
2014-06-03 20:04 <Plugh> I've been approached by someone from a grid I visit about wanting to move to SRAS. They have a DB up around 3TB or so. I haven't set up SRAS in ages and only did a basic test ages ago. Not sure what is involved in migrating a grid to using it.
2014-06-03 20:06 <Plugh> I'm not sure if it is a task I would want to tackle for a grid with that size DB.
2014-06-03 20:06 <nebadon> you can ask here
2014-06-03 20:06 <nebadon> thats fine
2014-06-03 20:06 <nebadon> were not interupting anyone else
2014-06-03 20:06 <Plugh> ok.
2014-06-03 20:07 <Plugh> First, any thoughts if it makes a difference to use Windows or Linux for setting up an SRAS based system.
2014-06-03 20:07 <nebadon> I would be shocked if it worked in windows
2014-06-03 20:07 <nebadon> but I cant say for sure
2014-06-03 20:07 <nebadon> I dont know the differences with ruby on windows
2014-06-03 20:08 <nebadon> but I imagine file structure stuff may be problematic
2014-06-03 20:08 <nebadon> its probably very Linux oriented that way
2014-06-03 20:08 <Plugh> k. Thought Linux might be preferred.
2014-06-03 20:09 <Plugh> yea. It needs multiple levels of directories.
2014-06-03 20:11 <Plugh> nebadon: It would be done using a separate machine to run the SRAS and hold the asset data on disk?
2014-06-03 20:17 <nebadon> not sure I understand that question? is that a question or a statement?
2014-06-03 20:17 <nebadon> hehe
2014-06-03 20:20 <Plugh> It did end in ? :)  To run SRAS can you use the existing webserver and database server if there is enough free disk space or would be set up using a separate computer from the one running the main web/database servers?
2014-06-03 20:32 <nebadon> it would be very disk I/O intensive
2014-06-03 20:32 <nebadon> so if this is a live server for the grid I would suggest using a second server for writes atleast
2014-06-03 20:33 <nebadon> probably fine to read from the main server and write to a secondary server
2014-06-03 20:33 <nebadon> but I wouldnt try to do the entire thing from the main server while keeping the grid alive
2014-06-03 20:33 <nebadon> if your downing the grid for the entire process, which will probably takes weeks literally to convert
2014-06-03 20:33 <nebadon> 3TB is more than OSgrid has even
2014-06-03 20:34 <nebadon> its hard to say, OSgrids database was just a fraction of the size of this grid when we switched over to SRAS like services
2014-06-03 20:35 <nebadon> we have gone through 3 or 4 different versions of SRAS now
2014-06-03 20:35 <nebadon> we were in the 100gb range when we flipped
2014-06-03 21:05 <Plugh> weeks to convert?
2014-06-03 21:05 <Plugh> eek
2014-06-03 21:07 <H-H-H> what time is dev meeting
2014-06-03 21:14 <nebadon> H-H-H it was over many hours ago
2014-06-03 21:14 <nebadon> its at 2pm EST every week
2014-06-03 21:14 <nebadon> Plugh, it really depends
2014-06-03 21:15 <nebadon> 3TB of files means probably some where in the order of 100 million + assets
2014-06-03 21:15 <nebadon> its going to take a while to convert, the speed of the disks and cpu, available memory will all play a factor
2014-06-03 21:17 <nebadon> the good news is you will have a significantly smaller footprint when its done
2014-06-03 21:17 <nebadon> my guess is 20-25% reduction in dupes
2014-06-03 21:17 <nebadon> thats about what osgrid got
2014-06-03 21:21 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-06-03 21:21 <Plugh> Speed of network will between machines will also come in to play.
2014-06-03 21:22 <nebadon> yes
2014-06-03 21:22 <nebadon> because its so many tiny files too
2014-06-03 21:22 <nebadon> rsync will kind of hit a wall on speed
2014-06-03 21:22 <nebadon> ftp would have same problem
2014-06-03 21:23 <nebadon> like 10gb of 1k files will take considerably longer to transfer than 1 10gb file
2014-06-03 21:25 <H-H-H> oh ok thanks nebadon , is the transcript on the wiki yet do you know ?
2014-06-03 21:25 <nebadon> I hope so
2014-06-03 21:25 <nebadon> let me look
2014-06-03 21:25 <nebadon> crap
2014-06-03 21:25 <nebadon> ok let me dig it out
2014-06-03 21:26 <H-H-H> i did wonder if it was just me or it hadnt been posted yet :) thanks
2014-06-03 21:27 <nebadon> oh dang i was 6 minutes late
2014-06-03 21:27 <nebadon> oh well I will post as much as I have
2014-06-03 21:29 <Plugh> I forgot all about the meeting today.
2014-06-03 21:30 <Plugh> Toss a copy of those meeting notes my way when you find them, nebadon.
2014-06-03 21:31 <nebadon> here you go guys > http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2014-06-03
2014-06-03 21:31 <nebadon> just a heads up everyone, OSCC14 has been announced
2014-06-03 21:31 <nebadon> http://conference.opensimulator.org
2014-06-03 21:31 <nebadon> looking for volunteers
2014-06-03 21:32 <diva> yey OSCC'14!
2014-06-03 21:32 <nebadon> should be a lot of fun
2014-06-03 21:32 <H-H-H> im defo going to this one :)
2014-06-03 21:34 <Plugh> yea, saw the mail about it.
2014-06-03 21:35 <Plugh> ty, nebadon. I'll grab the meeting notes when I finish what I'm working on
2014-06-03 21:49 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7aFM_hLaJI
2014-06-03 21:53 <nebadon> justincc you put in full log?
2014-06-03 21:54 <justincc> no, I actually realized I forgot last week too but happen to have the log for that...
2014-06-03 21:54 <nebadon> oh wait no hmm
2014-06-03 21:54 <nebadon> oh ok
2014-06-03 21:54 <nebadon> i was going to say i looked at page history and saw no change
2014-06-03 21:54 <nebadon> but i got an email you made a change
2014-06-03 21:54 <justincc> thanks for doing this week
2014-06-03 21:54 <nebadon> no problem few people asked for it
2014-06-03 21:54 <nebadon> its missing first 6 minutes
2014-06-03 21:54 <nebadon> i thought  maybe you were filling that in
2014-06-03 21:55 <justincc> I do have those 6 mins (where nothing important happened)
2014-06-03 21:55 <nebadon> probably not much said
2014-06-03 21:55 <justincc> so yeah, I'll fill in
2014-06-03 21:55 <nebadon> ya
2014-06-03 22:08 <diva> there'
2014-06-03 22:08 <diva> there's something wrong with teleports between 0.7.8 and 0.8...
2014-06-03 22:09 <justincc> good job there isn't a 0.7.8 :)
2014-06-03 22:10 <diva> or whatever was the last version :)
2014-06-03 22:10 <diva> 0.7,6?
2014-06-03 22:10 <justincc> technically 0.7.6.1
2014-06-03 22:11 <justincc> what goes wrong?
2014-06-03 22:12 <diva> it looks like the viewer never receives the final FinishTeleport message, as far as I can tell
2014-06-03 22:12 <diva> it just hangs on "Arriving". But the console of the receiving sim says that everything is ok
2014-06-03 22:13 <justincc> from 0.7.6 to 0.8, the other way around or both?
2014-06-03 22:14 <diva> I'm trying from 0.7.6 to 0.8
2014-06-03 22:14 <diva> let me try the other way around
2014-06-03 22:14 <justincc> is this via hg or both on the same grid?
2014-06-03 22:14 <diva> hg
2014-06-03 22:15 <justincc> interesting. I thought I would have heard of a problem  before now but sometimes people don't report.
2014-06-03 22:15 <justincc> and it's always possible it's v recent
2014-06-03 22:15 <diva> the other way around works fine
2014-06-03 22:16 <diva> let me try tp back home to 0.8
2014-06-03 22:16 <diva> oh crap, I forgot my home is a varregion, so that doesn't work. But before I was TPing to a normal region
2014-06-03 22:17 <justincc> I'll try to spin up something shortly. 
2014-06-03 22:17 <diva> yes this is recent. It used to work
2014-06-03 22:19 <nebadon> diva are you jumping to var?
2014-06-03 22:19 <diva> no
2014-06-03 22:19 <nebadon> ok
2014-06-03 22:20 <nebadon> cause 0.7.6 cant teleport to vars
2014-06-03 22:20 <diva> yeah
2014-06-03 22:21 <diva> I'm trying to go from the vLab to the Encitra Home region, and it's always hanging. It doesn't crash, it just hangs. So I think the viewer is missing some message.
2014-06-03 22:25 <smxy> diva, I can HG TP from my D2 to my robust grid that's only a couple days off HEAD.
2014-06-03 22:25 <diva> you can?
2014-06-03 22:26 <smxy> Just did it.
2014-06-03 22:26 <diva> ok, then there's moething wrong hre on my grid
2014-06-03 22:26 <diva> maybe my vlab needs a reboot. It' been up for months
2014-06-03 22:27 <justincc> have you tried turning it off and on again? :)
2014-06-03 22:27 <zadarkAlt1> I can also HG from 0.7.6  to  8.0 (dev/master) default region size, with no issue
2014-06-03 22:28 <diva> interesting, I sawe this message on the console of my vLab (0.7.6)
2014-06-03 22:28 <diva> 14:54:32 - [REMOTE SIMULATION CONNECTOR]: Remote simulator  did not accept compressed transfer, suggest updating it.
2014-06-03 22:28 <diva> I'll just turn it off and on again, see if that fixzes it
2014-06-03 22:31 <zadarkAlt1> I also see [REMOTE SIMULATION CONNECTOR]: Remote simulator fun did not accept compressed transfer, suggest updating it.. I believe that is normal
2014-06-03 22:31 <diva> no, that's not normal
2014-06-03 22:31 <diva> anyway, rebooting didn't solve the problem
2014-06-03 22:32 <zadarkAlt1> true, new to old, but not as we are testing
2014-06-03 22:34 <justincc> diva: you're using vanilla 0.7.6 rather than any post fix code?
2014-06-03 22:34 <diva> vanilla
2014-06-03 22:37 <diva> not sure what's going on. Eerything seem fine on both consoles, but the viewer never actually finishes
2014-06-03 22:38 <justincc> ok, I cna go between 0.7.6 bin and current master
2014-06-03 22:38 <justincc> both ways, sucessfully, though that is with both on same grid
2014-06-03 22:39 <diva> wanna try my vLab?
2014-06-03 22:39 <diva> http://nile.ics.uci.edu:9000
2014-06-03 22:39 <diva> that's the one in 0.7.6
2014-06-03 22:39 <justincc> I don't have hg capability set up locally atm, I'll try with my osgrid av
2014-06-03 22:41 <justincc> ok, I could go to there and return to Recreation Plaza successfully
2014-06-03 22:41 <justincc> which is running dev code from 1st june
2014-06-03 22:41 <justincc> though there was a slightly curious event where the teleport bar semmed to reset
2014-06-03 22:42 <diva> hmm
2014-06-03 22:43 <justincc> nebadon: what's a good osgrid hg address?
2014-06-03 22:43 <danbanner> hg.osgrid.org:80:lbsa plaza
2014-06-03 22:44 <justincc> ok, I can get out to there ok too
2014-06-03 22:44 <justincc> this time no slightly odd resettig of the tp bar
2014-06-03 22:45 <diva> ok thanks for testing. I don't know what the problem is. May be something misconfigured on the Encitra grid.
2014-06-03 22:45 <justincc> that's also running commit 94d0ae0 from the 1st
2014-06-03 22:45 <smxy> diva: I too get this when going from the D2 to 0.8, though it appears to work just fine: 18:24:44 - [REMOTE SIMULATION CONNECTOR]: Remote simulator  did not accept compressed transfer, suggest updating it.
2014-06-03 22:45 <smxy> Works fine, as in I get there okay.
2014-06-03 22:45 <justincc> well, things may still be wrong
2014-06-03 22:45 <justincc> maybe some slightly different timing on the tp, etc.
2014-06-03 22:46 <smxy> I wonder why 0.8 doesn't accept compressed transfers.
2014-06-03 22:47 <justincc> not sure what's going on there, I haven't treid this kind of tp before - usually I'm going between sims on the same grid where I don't see that
2014-06-03 22:49 <smxy> That would seem like something to fix before releasing.
2014-06-03 22:50 <smxy> justincc, did you see my mantis about windlight and lightshare setting being saved to oars? What do you think about that?
2014-06-03 22:51 <justincc> it should be done
2014-06-03 22:51 <smxy> cool
2014-06-03 22:51 <justincc> by which I mean in the future, not that it has been done
2014-06-03 22:51 <smxy> yes, I got that
2014-06-03 22:53 <Aleric> justin!!
2014-06-03 22:56 <justincc> hey Aleric
2014-06-03 22:56 <Aleric> justincc: Seems the patches that added to http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6764  are more important than I thought.  Did you have a chance to look at this in the past week? It's assigned to you, but I saw no new comments.
2014-06-03 22:56 <justincc> sorry I haven't looked more at the patches yet, been swamped with work
2014-06-03 22:57 <Aleric> Well, I've been testing it a lot - works like a charm :p.  More patches are needed to make everything perfect, but the ones that I attached can safely be added already.
2014-06-03 22:57 <Aleric> I think that the remaining fixes all need to be opensim-libs
2014-06-03 22:57 <Aleric> in*
2014-06-03 22:58 <justincc> ok, hope to take a look soon
2014-06-03 22:58 <justincc> though not tonight - almost drop dead time for me :)
2014-06-03 22:58 <Aleric> Ok, thank you :)
2014-06-03 23:15 <zadarkAlt1> Started seeing [AVATAR APPEARANCE]: Ignoring attempt to attach an already attached item 99b5c31d-4246-41b9-82e1-db512640ac62 at point 130
2014-06-03 23:15 <zadarkAlt1> Note the point 130
2014-06-03 23:15 <zadarkAlt1> This is an avi arriving at a HG destination
2014-06-03 23:16 <zadarkAlt1> This is ruth with a box on her head
2014-06-03 23:17 <zadarkAlt1> When the avi returns home, the box cannot be detached, must relog for that to happen
2014-06-03 23:19 <justincc> when an attachment is appended, internally the point is the original + 0x80 (128)
2014-06-03 23:19 <justincc> so that is the head, but a multi-attachment
2014-06-03 23:19 <justincc> other than that, I couldn't say what is going on off the top of my head
2014-06-03 23:20 <justincc> it souinds like the appearance may be corrupted to trying to attach the same item twice
2014-06-03 23:20 <zadarkAlt1> This is a new avi creted for the test, and only a single object exists in the inventory, the box worn on the head,
2014-06-03 23:21 <zadarkAlt1> I will trace it tomorrow, hopefully more info
2014-06-03 23:21 <justincc> ok
2014-06-03 23:22 <zadarkAlt1> Thanks for the multi-attach ref
2014-06-03 23:27 <justincc> ok, rest time.  Goodnight folks
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2014-06-04 01:24 <osmantis> Bug #7133:04 More remote profile spew. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7133 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-04 02:26 <smxy> Do varregions HAVE to be perfectly square?
2014-06-04 02:27 <Dev_Random> square and multiples of 256
2014-06-04 02:37 <smxy> okay.
2014-06-04 02:37 <smxy> thanks
2014-06-04 02:45 <NickyP> smxy there are viewer issues with the map for non-power of 2 varregions. If you can use 512x512 or 1024x1024 and not 756x756, 
2014-06-04 03:10 <nebadon> i havent noticed any map issues with 768x768
2014-06-04 03:10 <nebadon> what kind of problems NickyP
2014-06-04 04:44 <smxy> In Replex, my 768x768 shows up perfectly on the map.
2014-06-04 04:45 <smxy> If some viewers have a problem, they need to fix it, I think. 
2014-06-04 05:36 <AliciaRaven> hope the fix firestorm soon
2014-06-04 05:36 <AliciaRaven> they*
2014-06-04 06:27 <smxy> AliciaRaven: Did you see my comment on your Jira about the red tiles and clicking the SW corner tile?
2014-06-04 06:28 <AliciaRaven> yes, made me wonder if it might just be my grid so i check osgrid and i still have the same problem there
2014-06-04 06:28 <AliciaRaven> must be ok for mac users
2014-06-04 06:28 <smxy> What platform are you running the viewer on?
2014-06-04 06:28 <AliciaRaven> windows, 64bit
2014-06-04 06:28 <smxy> Yeah, works perfect on my iMac.
2014-06-04 06:28 <AliciaRaven> had other people confirm it so i know its not just me tho
2014-06-04 06:29 <AliciaRaven> u sure its not just because the regions were already cached in ur map?
2014-06-04 06:29 <smxy> I don't see where you mention the platform in the Jira.
2014-06-04 06:29 <AliciaRaven> might have forgoten to include that, ill check
2014-06-04 06:30 <smxy> I hadn't used Firestorm since before I created the varregion, as I'd been using Replex. I fired up FS and it just worked perfectly.
2014-06-04 06:31 <smxy> AliciaRaven: you did. I see there was an arrow I needed to touch to show the info.
2014-06-04 06:31 <AliciaRaven> i usualy use firestorm
2014-06-04 06:31 <AliciaRaven> minimap texture is wrong aswell on var regions tho
2014-06-04 06:32 <smxy> Let me check that. I saw your jira about that too.
2014-06-04 06:32 <AliciaRaven> make sure the minimap is set to show the map texture not terrain texture, it only shows the first 256 tile stretched over the whole region
2014-06-04 06:33 <smxy> yes. I'm on land, but I see water n the mini-map, not land. The SW corner is water. So that bug is also on the Mac.
2014-06-04 06:36 <smxy> Night!
2014-06-04 06:36 <AliciaRaven> night, thanks for checking
2014-06-04 06:36 <smxy> yw :)
2014-06-04 10:49 <NickyP> http://redmine.kokuaviewer.org/issues/1388 nebadon  
2014-06-04 10:50 <NickyP> yes the viewer needs fixed.
2014-06-04 14:26 <osmantis> Bug #7207:04 [PATCH] Fix for AutoBackupModule 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7207 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-04 14:26 <osmantis> Bug #7207:04 [PATCH] Fix for AutoBackupModule 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7207 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-06-04 15:57 <nebadon> lkalif : ping
2014-06-04 16:07 <lkalif> nebadon: what's up
2014-06-04 16:10 <nebadon> hey
2014-06-04 16:11 <nebadon> have a viewer UI thing thats been around probably since the first days of SL that absolutely drives me insane every day that passes
2014-06-04 16:11 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-04 16:11 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/resize_handles_01.png
2014-06-04 16:11 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/resize_handles_02.png
2014-06-04 16:11 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/resize_handles_03.png
2014-06-04 16:11 <nebadon> why the hell to the Stretch handles grow as the prim gets longer
2014-06-04 16:12 <nebadon> is there anyway this can be turned off
2014-06-04 16:12 <nebadon> so that it always looks like 03
2014-06-04 16:12 <nebadon> it makes it basically impossible to get good alignment with any prim over like 5m
2014-06-04 16:12 <lkalif> 03?
2014-06-04 16:12 <nebadon> ya the picture 03 above
2014-06-04 16:12 <nebadon> so the resize handles always are small like that
2014-06-04 16:13 <nebadon> 01 & 02 highlight the problem
2014-06-04 16:13 <nebadon> 03 is how it looks when the prim is small
2014-06-04 16:13 <nebadon> make a prim thats 10,0.2,0.2
2014-06-04 16:13 <lkalif> yeah
2014-06-04 16:14 <lkalif> so it took you 10 years to notice this? :P
2014-06-04 16:14 <nebadon> the damn handles cover up the entire prim
2014-06-04 16:14 <nebadon> no
2014-06-04 16:14 <nebadon> its just now finally started to annoy the hell out of me
2014-06-04 16:14 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-04 16:14 <lkalif> lol
2014-06-04 16:14 <nebadon> i dont understand the point of this
2014-06-04 16:14 <nebadon> is there anyway to disable the zoom on that?
2014-06-04 16:14 <lkalif> I don't think so
2014-06-04 16:14 <nebadon> its like the handles scale with the object
2014-06-04 16:15 <nebadon> stupid
2014-06-04 16:15 <nebadon> well I know there is no debug or check box to change it
2014-06-04 16:15 <nebadon> what I mean is could it programatically be changed
2014-06-04 16:15 <nebadon> for the good of mankind
2014-06-04 16:15 <nebadon> haha
2014-06-04 16:15 <lkalif> well you can change anything provided you find the right spot :P
2014-06-04 16:16 <nebadon> indeed, but being I have almost no idea about the viewer code I figured id start by asking someone who does lol
2014-06-04 16:16 <nebadon> and since im also using Replex mostly now, your also the guy
2014-06-04 16:16 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-04 16:17 <lkalif> it's in the rendering engine, dragons live there ;)
2014-06-04 16:20 <nebadon> ok well figured I would ask, seems like one of those things that should have been fixed many-o-year ago
2014-06-04 16:20 <nebadon> 
ACTION goes back to slowly being drive insane by Linden Lab Inc.

2014-06-04 16:21 <lkalif> what are you doing with LL?
2014-06-04 16:22 <nebadon> using their viewer
2014-06-04 16:22 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-04 16:22 <lkalif> lol
2014-06-04 16:22 <lkalif> herecy!
2014-06-04 16:22 <lkalif> you are not on a var region then I guess :P
2014-06-04 16:22 <nebadon> well we can certainly blame this part of the code on them anyway
2014-06-04 16:22 <nebadon> im pretty sure almost no one who works at LL actually ever builds anything
2014-06-04 16:23 <nebadon> nothing bigger than about 4m anyway
2014-06-04 16:23 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-04 16:23 <lkalif> they used to hire "moles" to build stuff
2014-06-04 16:23 <lkalif> $10/hr work force
2014-06-04 16:23 <Dev_Random> don't they build teddy bears?
2014-06-04 16:23 <lkalif> virtual version of mexicans at a home depo :P
2014-06-04 16:24 <lkalif> nah, they usually get someone to make a bear for them
2014-06-04 16:24 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION is crushed to learn another truth....

2014-06-04 16:24 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-04 16:25 <lkalif> Dev_Random: there this thing I was meaning to tell you, about Santa... :P
2014-06-04 16:25 <Dev_Random> I know he doesn't build stuff.. he has elves
2014-06-04 16:25 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-04 16:25 <lkalif> hehe
2014-06-04 16:32 <lkalif> I think I finally have proper solution for "NAT looback" when using iptables router
2014-06-04 16:36 <nebadon> you mean for OpenSimulator lkalif?
2014-06-04 16:36 <lkalif> yes
2014-06-04 16:37 <lkalif> it's one simple rule
2014-06-04 16:38 <lkalif> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -d 10.0.0.51 -s 10.0.0.0/24 -j SNAT --to-source 10.0.0.1
2014-06-04 16:38 <lkalif> where 10.0.0.51 is the internal network server with opensim
2014-06-04 16:38 <lkalif> and 10.0.0.1 is default gateway for the internal net
2014-06-04 16:49 <nebadon> nice
2014-06-04 16:50 <paulieflomar_v> LIke this one: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Network_Settings#Straightforward
2014-06-04 16:50 <paulieflomar_v> ?
2014-06-04 16:51 <nebadon> i was just looking for that page
2014-06-04 16:51 <nebadon> lkalif maybe you can post your findings here
2014-06-04 16:51 <paulieflomar_v> Ah, I see yer doing souce nat instead of dnat. It's all good. 
2014-06-04 16:52 <paulieflomar_v> I have that page bookmarked for when people ask for the rule. :)
2014-06-04 16:53 <paulieflomar_v> Ikalif, I notice you dont include ports in the rule spec. You may end up matching too much traffic?
2014-06-04 16:54 <lkalif> well if traffic from internal network (-s 10.0.0.0/24) that is destened for an internal server (10.0.0.51 in this case) ends up on the router, rewrite source
2014-06-04 16:55 <paulieflomar_v> Yeah,  maybe ports arent needed.
2014-06-04 16:55 <paulieflomar_v> Im not an iptables expert, for sure.
2014-06-04 16:56 <lkalif> that one line solved all my nat loopback issues
2014-06-04 16:56 <paulieflomar_v> sweet
2014-06-04 16:56 <paulieflomar_v> iptables ftw!
2014-06-04 16:56 <lkalif> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/NAT_Loopback_Routers#SETTING_UP_A_LINUX_COMPUTER_TO_ACT_AS_A_ROUTER
2014-06-04 16:56 <lkalif> that one didn't quite work for me
2014-06-04 16:56 <paulieflomar_v> Linux ftw!
2014-06-04 16:56 <lkalif> with the 3 separate SNAT rules
2014-06-04 16:56 <paulieflomar_v> (again) :)
2014-06-04 16:57 <lkalif> it also sets source to external ip of the router
2014-06-04 16:57 <lkalif> not sure if that is wrong, but this one I found uses internal IP of the router
2014-06-04 17:49 <Ken_S> Its been a while since using my boats in Bulletsim, but
2014-06-04 17:49 <Ken_S> the last few days there is a terrible rubberband effect when trying to use motorboats.
2014-06-04 17:50 <Ken_S> Anyone else been noticing this?
2014-06-04 19:00 <osmantis> Bug #7204:04 Bulletsim VarRegion recently started crashing on sim startup - Red errors: Exception: System.NullReferenceException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7204 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-04 21:59 <smxy> Do boats work in varregions?
2014-06-04 22:00 <Ken_S> Yes, they were working really well, but kinda jerky at the moment
2014-06-04 22:08 <smxy> How does "really well" equal "kinda jerky"?
2014-06-04 22:09 <smxy> And where can I get boats? :)
2014-06-04 22:11 <Ken_S> I have a few in a box you can buy for $0 that work in "Moorea Sailing" sim
2014-06-04 22:11 <Ken_S> You can try them there or wherever you can rez
2014-06-04 22:12 <smxy> Oh, I was going to try them in my varregion. :)
2014-06-04 22:12 <Ken_S> They should work anywhere Bulletsim is enabled
2014-06-04 22:13 <smxy> Where's your region?
2014-06-04 22:13 <osmantis> Bug #7208:04 Add constant for AGENT_AUTOPILOT 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7208 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-04 22:13 <osmantis> Bug #7208:04 Add constant for AGENT_AUTOPILOT 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7208 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-06-04 22:26 <Ken_S> smxy, it is "Moorea Sailing" as mentioned before
2014-06-04 22:59 <smxy> Ken_S: There are a gazillion grids and I don't know which one is yours. :)
2014-06-04 23:04 <danbanner> i see that region on osg
2014-06-04 23:11 <Ken_S> smxy, its in osg
2014-06-04 23:20 <smxy> Thanks. I can't read people's minds. :)
2014-06-04 23:27 <Ken_S> I always thought osg was the default grid if none was specified lol
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2014-06-05 00:11 <smxy> Ah, I'll start assuming everyone's gay then, unless otherwise specified. :)
2014-06-05 00:13 <Ken_S> smxy, so you are assuming gay is the default?  That just weird.
2014-06-05 00:28 <frnic> Why is that weird? Any default is arbitrary at best. smxy happens to be gay and so, from his perspective it is a perfectly reasonable default.
2014-06-05 00:45 <lkalif> default is usually not arbitrary, but the most common option
2014-06-05 01:00 <LiruCookies> Gay is the default among furries.
2014-06-05 02:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #3624 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-05 02:15 <osmantis> Bug #7207:04 [PATCH] Fix for AutoBackupModule 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7207 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-06-05 02:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3624: SUCCESS in 4 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3624/
2014-06-05 02:18 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: Fix AutoBackupModule and include option to skip saving assets.
2014-06-05 02:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #3625 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-05 02:19 <osmantis> Bug #7208:04 Add constant for AGENT_AUTOPILOT 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7208 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-05 02:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3625: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3625/
2014-06-05 02:22 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: add Alicia Raven to Contributors list, thanks for the patch!
2014-06-05 03:34 <osmantis> Bug #7208:04 Add constant for AGENT_AUTOPILOT 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7208 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-05 03:39 <AliciaRaven> thanks nebadon :)
2014-06-05 14:01 <osmantis> Bug #7202:04 Loading OAR Fails to restore parcel data 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7202 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-05 16:05 <smxy> I'm having a recurring problem that I don't know if other see or if it's a viewer or server issue. Using the latest Firestorm, when I use command-z on my iMac to undo a move of a linked item, frequently - but not always - only the root prim moves, thus breaking the item. It's a real PITA.
2014-06-05 16:10 <nebadon> yep
2014-06-05 16:10 <nebadon> my rule is never use undo on a linkset
2014-06-05 16:10 <nebadon> as far as I remember its never been safe
2014-06-05 16:13 <smxy> You'd think someone would fix that.
2014-06-05 20:57 <LiruCookies> smxy: As I remember, undo is a server call.
2014-06-05 21:04 <smxy> LiruCookies: It just amazes me, given how important building is, that it continues to go unfixed.
2014-06-05 21:09 <LiruCookies> Yeah, you know if that were viewerside, I wouldn't sleep well until I fixed it.
2014-06-05 22:06 <smxy> LiruCookies: :)
2014-06-05 23:40 <diva> am I missing something or are the varregion setting in the Regions.ini file still not there in the .example?
2014-06-05 23:43 <danbanner> i dont think SizeX/Y are in the example
2014-06-05 23:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #3626 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-05 23:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3626: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3626/
2014-06-05 23:55 <osjenkins> diva: Updated Regions.ini.example to include var regions configs.
2014-06-06 00:24 <diva> I'm a bit confused about the interaction between the "new " UserProfiles and the "old" BasicProfiles. It seems like the default opensim configuration has both of them active? Not sure how well that works
2014-06-06 00:27 <Plugh1> What is the confusing part?
2014-06-06 00:27 <diva> they're both responding to the same requests
2014-06-06 00:28 <diva> like RequestAvatarProperties
2014-06-06 00:28 <Plugh1> oh, yeah. Should only have one of the two enabled in that case.
2014-06-06 00:47 <diva> ok, well Im completely confused with what's going on with profiles
2014-06-06 00:47 <diva> BlueWall ping
2014-06-06 00:49 <nebadon_laptop> diva isnt that partially your fault?
2014-06-06 00:49 <nebadon_laptop> you made that faux profile thing that was enabled by default
2014-06-06 00:50 <nebadon_laptop> so people not running profiles could transfer inventory and stuff to each other
2014-06-06 00:50 <diva> there was no UserProfiles alternative when I did it. It had to be mandatory at the time
2014-06-06 00:50 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-06-06 00:50 <diva> Whoever did the new one should have changed this
2014-06-06 00:50 <nebadon_laptop> but my thinking is that people may not realize what that acutally did
2014-06-06 00:50 <nebadon_laptop> since it didnt actually offer any real profile services
2014-06-06 01:01 <smxy> BlueWall's profile module continues to spit out errors too, that I've mantised about, but don't get fixed. I'm not sure he works on it anymore.
2014-06-06 01:01 <smxy> Nothing serious, but one doesn't like seeing red error text go by ...
2014-06-06 01:02 <nebadon_laptop> thats a tall order in opensim :P
2014-06-06 01:02 <Plugh> smxy: what sort of complaints?
2014-06-06 01:02 <smxy> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7133
2014-06-06 01:02 <smxy> There's two in that.
2014-06-06 01:05 <Plugh> hmm... no git revision listed
2014-06-06 01:05 <Plugh> Line 1156 is a {
2014-06-06 01:06 <Plugh> oh. wrong version.
2014-06-06 01:07 <diva> ok, well, I have to figure out how this works. I'd like to plug the new profiles in D2
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2014-06-06 01:09 <smxy> there was no git revision mentioned, no, but the tag for both is in both errors.
2014-06-06 01:09 <Plugh> yea, I saw that.
2014-06-06 01:15 <Plugh> smxy: the cast issue could be related to the hash index not existing.
2014-06-06 01:16 <diva> uh, interesting
2014-06-06 01:16 <diva> when the UserProfiles module is enabled, the other one is disabled automagically
2014-06-06 01:17 <diva> wtf
2014-06-06 01:17 <Plugh> Sounds like a good thing
2014-06-06 01:17 <diva> I don't like magic
2014-06-06 01:17 <Plugh> Several modules check the name of the module specified in the ini file.
2014-06-06 01:18 <diva> that's not how this code does it
2014-06-06 01:22 <Plugh> OpenSim/Region/CoreModules/Avatar/UserProfiles/UserProfileModule.cs is looking for a ProfileServiceURL in a section called UserProfile before it will be enabled.
2014-06-06 01:23 <diva> yes, so when it's there, in priciple they would both be enabled
2014-06-06 01:23 <Plugh> BasicProfile is looking for UserProfiles section if I'm reading it right.
2014-06-06 01:24 <Plugh> hm... same as the other.
2014-06-06 01:25 <Plugh> Oh. BasicProfile is checking that the UserProfiles section DOES NOT exist.
2014-06-06 01:25 <Plugh> That section in an ini, or not in the ini, determines which module you get.
2014-06-06 01:25 <diva> oh right
2014-06-06 01:25 <diva> good catch
2014-06-06 01:26 <diva> geez what a horrible way of doing this
2014-06-06 01:26 <diva> but there's still something fishy
2014-06-06 01:31 <diva> ok, I got it
2014-06-06 01:31 <diva> things work
2014-06-06 01:31 <diva> confusingly, but work
2014-06-06 01:34 <Plugh> ok
2014-06-06 01:44 <Plugh> smxy: would have to check the return data/hash structure for the rpc.JsonRpcRequest for image_assets_request to see if "result" is a valid returned item.
2014-06-06 02:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #3627 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-06 02:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3627: SUCCESS in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3627/
2014-06-06 02:04 <osjenkins> diva: May fix mantis #7133
2014-06-06 02:05 <osmantis> Bug #7133:04 More remote profile spew. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7133 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-06 02:07 <Melanie_T> diva: are you sure that not having a result memeber is legal?
2014-06-06 02:07 <Melanie_T> should this not be fixed on the other end?
2014-06-06 02:07 <Melanie_T> the php/robust service that omits it?
2014-06-06 02:08 <Melanie_T> our usual llsd/rc protocol is "success" = "false" = no other members exist, stop processing and use "error" if present for a message
2014-06-06 02:09 <Melanie_T> if "success" = "true" "result" must exist
2014-06-06 02:09 <Melanie_T> this doesn't seem to follow this and probably never has
2014-06-06 02:09 <Melanie_T> i wonder if it's worth whipping into shape
2014-06-06 02:11 <diva> yes melanie
2014-06-06 02:11 <Plugh> That "result" thing is one of the lines referenced in bug 7133
2014-06-06 02:11 <diva> apparently it mauy contain an error field
2014-06-06 02:11 <diva> as far as I can trace
2014-06-06 02:12 <Melanie_T> then just checking for the absence of "result" would kill the spew but it's not the "proper" fix
2014-06-06 02:12 <diva> probabloy not
2014-06-06 02:12 <diva> this is what I see:
2014-06-06 02:12 <diva> [18:59] <cia-opensim> opensim: diva * r5bb95a8a5515 OpenSim/Region/CoreModules/Avatar/UserProfiles (UserProfileModule.cs):
2014-06-06 02:12 <diva> [18:59] <cia-opensim>   May fix mantis #7133
2014-06-06 02:12 <Melanie_T> it really should be changed to include "success" always
2014-06-06 02:12 <Melanie_T> and decide on that
2014-06-06 02:12 <diva>             if (Result != null)
2014-06-06 02:12 <diva>                 Reply["result"] = Result;
2014-06-06 02:12 <diva>             if (Error.Code != 0)
2014-06-06 02:12 <diva>             {
2014-06-06 02:12 <diva>                 Reply["error"] = (OSD)Error.Error;
2014-06-06 02:12 <diva>             }
2014-06-06 02:13 <Melanie_T> so that int he case something goes pear shaped and "success" is true and no reult is there, it still spews
2014-06-06 02:13 <Plugh> Check the return before checking for the returned data.
2014-06-06 02:13 <Melanie_T> because that would be a spew worthy condition
2014-06-06 02:13 <Melanie_T> diva: looks like that php may predate that de facto convention i laid out
2014-06-06 02:13 <Melanie_T> maybe worth changing
2014-06-06 02:14 <Melanie_T> just to try and unify the protocols
2014-06-06 02:14 <diva> ewhich part shuld be changed? the provider or the cller?
2014-06-06 02:14 <Melanie_T> both
2014-06-06 02:14 <Melanie_T> the provider should be ...
2014-06-06 02:14 <Melanie_T> if rsult is null set success false, error to descriptive message and exit
2014-06-06 02:14 <Melanie_T> else set success = true, result to resut and exit
2014-06-06 02:15 <Melanie_T> and the caller should be changed to require this
2014-06-06 02:15 <Melanie_T> and act on it, not on the absence of  field
2014-06-06 02:15 <Melanie_T> reason:
2014-06-06 02:15 <diva> maybe I'll let you do that. I'm not familiar with this code at all
2014-06-06 02:15 <Melanie_T> if the php script bombs, maybe due to an apache error
2014-06-06 02:15 <Melanie_T> simply checking for a nonexistent result would cause an empty reply to not spew
2014-06-06 02:15 <Melanie_T> an empty reply should spew
2014-06-06 02:16 <Melanie_T> because it's an error condition
2014-06-06 02:16 <diva> I was looking into the Serialize metos of JsonRsponse, and that can't cahnge the success/failure of the method
2014-06-06 02:24 <diva> you know, this may be a mistyping
2014-06-06 02:24 <diva> the generic code uses _Result as the key
2014-06-06 02:24 <diva> that code in profile is tryoing toaccess result
2014-06-06 02:25 <diva> Melanie_T ^^
2014-06-06 02:25 <Melanie_T> i doubt sch a grave thing would have escaped us for so log
2014-06-06 02:26 <Melanie_T> can you ref the two bits of code
2014-06-06 02:26 <Melanie_T> ?
2014-06-06 02:26 <diva> althougyeah, and it's consistent in the profile module. 
2014-06-06 02:26 <diva> I'm looking at:
2014-06-06 02:26 <diva> UserProfileModule -- search "result"     and
2014-06-06 02:27 <diva> JsonRpcRequestManager around line 175
2014-06-06 02:29 <Melanie_T> that is another evel of indirectio
2014-06-06 02:30 <Melanie_T> level of indirection
2014-06-06 02:30 <diva> ok
2014-06-06 02:30 <Melanie_T> you actually get _Response: { "success": "true", "response": "…."}
2014-06-06 02:31 <Melanie_T> there is a low level error control protocol to be able to toss exceptions on catastrophic errors
2014-06-06 02:31 <Melanie_T> it's double-wrapped
2014-06-06 02:31 <Melanie_T> it's not how i would have done it
2014-06-06 02:31 <diva> i c
2014-06-06 02:31 <Melanie_T> but then i've always got my fingers ont he bare metal
2014-06-06 02:32 <diva> anyway, if you want I can revert what I just did. I don't want to dive on this code because I don't know it, and I don't have time to get to know it right now
2014-06-06 02:32 <Melanie_T> i'm probably the only core memeber who hates human-readable wire protos
2014-06-06 02:32 <Melanie_T> what you did will cover the current issue
2014-06-06 02:32 <Melanie_T> leave it please
2014-06-06 02:32 <diva> ok
2014-06-06 02:32 <Melanie_T> just maybe make a note to remind me to revisit it
2014-06-06 02:32 <Melanie_T> when i have some time
2014-06-06 02:33 <diva> sounds good
2014-06-06 02:33 <Melanie_T> in a couple of years … ;/
2014-06-06 02:34 <diva> sigh
2014-06-06 02:35 <Plugh> :)
2014-06-06 02:35 <Plugh> That's how quick fixes turn in to someone elses nightmare years later. ;)
2014-06-06 02:36 <Melanie_T> not really in this case
2014-06-06 02:36 <Melanie_T> you know i'm a stickler for bad fixes
2014-06-06 02:36 <Melanie_T> but see
2014-06-06 02:36 <Melanie_T> the double wrap will actually cause an exception lower down the stack if the server returns a true empty response
2014-06-06 02:36 <Melanie_T> because the first layer unwrap fails
2014-06-06 02:37 <Melanie_T> so checking for the presence of a result field will do what is needed
2014-06-06 02:37 <Melanie_T> since the lower down, reusable code covers the hard failure cases
2014-06-06 02:48 <smxy> I wonder if the no result is because I'm using HG core profiles and many visitor's grids are not.
2014-06-06 02:49 <smxy> And thanks for the potential fix, diva.
2014-06-06 02:49 <diva> what is everyon else using?
2014-06-06 02:49 <Melanie_T> it may be that, in fact
2014-06-06 02:49 <Melanie_T> HG Is very complex
2014-06-06 02:49 <smxy> I'd imagine many still use the external 3rd party module, but I don't know.
2014-06-06 02:49 <Melanie_T> and no one groks it like diva
2014-06-06 02:50 <diva> the php service?
2014-06-06 02:50 <smxy> yeah
2014-06-06 02:50 <Plugh> I'm still using the osprofile add on module.
2014-06-06 02:50 <smxy> So who knows what my side may be trying to connect back to.
2014-06-06 02:50 <smxy> It could be that module or core profile with HG or without HG
2014-06-06 02:51 <diva> I think it's because the php service may not send the result field when it doesn't find the images
2014-06-06 02:51 <diva> thre's a mismatch between what I see in the code and what melanie described as the protocol
2014-06-06 02:52 <diva> the false result from the call is only when there's a lower-lvel error
2014-06-06 02:52 <Plugh> The PHP side should always send a result. If it can't find the image it should send a failure result.
2014-06-06 02:52 <diva> under rthe "result" key?
2014-06-06 02:52 <diva> or under "error"
2014-06-06 02:53 <diva> whre is the pho code?
2014-06-06 02:54 <Plugh> The PHP code in ossearch and osprofile has a boolean 'success' field. It tells you if the query for data succeeded or not.
2014-06-06 02:54 <Plugh> You check that before looking for results.
2014-06-06 02:54 <Melanie_T> diva: what i illustrated is the spec
2014-06-06 02:54 <Plugh> If it is false it will have an errorMessage field that may contain an error message.
2014-06-06 02:54 <Melanie_T> i don't expect this to vonform yet
2014-06-06 02:54 <Melanie_T> so the code WILL be different
2014-06-06 02:55 <Melanie_T> in time, it should be changed
2014-06-06 02:55 <Melanie_T> but not urgent now
2014-06-06 02:55 <diva> the PHP code doesn't even provide this method!
2014-06-06 02:55 <Melanie_T> nope
2014-06-06 02:55 <diva> this is a method called image_assets_request
2014-06-06 02:55 <Melanie_T> osprofiles is different 
2014-06-06 02:55 <Melanie_T> much older
2014-06-06 02:56 <Melanie_T> much less complete
2014-06-06 02:56 <Melanie_T> assets are needed only for HG
2014-06-06 02:56 <diva> so maybe that's the problem of the spew?
2014-06-06 02:56 <Melanie_T> osprofile is local only
2014-06-06 02:56 <smxy> This may have been written assuming it was talking only to the same code on the other end, perhaps?
2014-06-06 02:56 <diva> maybe some ppl are running HG_enabled grids with osprofiles
2014-06-06 02:56 <Melanie_T> there are two profile solutions
2014-06-06 02:56 <Melanie_T> well, three
2014-06-06 02:57 <Melanie_T> none (basic only)
2014-06-06 02:57 <Melanie_T> core 
2014-06-06 02:57 <Melanie_T> osprofile
2014-06-06 02:57 <Melanie_T> only core profiles (yours) support HG at all
2014-06-06 02:57 <Melanie_T> basic supports nothing but the bare minf or the viewer to work
2014-06-06 02:57 <Melanie_T> and osprofile is for grid-local profiles only
2014-06-06 02:57 <Melanie_T> so it has no asset bridge
2014-06-06 02:58 <Melanie_T> no one shouls run core profiles aginst the osprofile php
2014-06-06 02:58 <Melanie_T> that just won't work
2014-06-06 02:58 <Melanie_T> aah yes
2014-06-06 02:58 <diva> so maybe the spew is due to ppl from HG-enabled grids with osprofiles
2014-06-06 02:58 <Melanie_T> hg enabled wit osprofile WILL bomb
2014-06-06 02:58 <Melanie_T> possible
2014-06-06 02:59 <diva> it shouls bomb earlier in the stack though
2014-06-06 02:59 <diva> that method doesn't exist
2014-06-06 02:59 <Melanie_T> the code that should throw returns null instead
2014-06-06 02:59 <diva> oh i c
2014-06-06 02:59 <diva> yes, that would explain it
2014-06-06 02:59 <Melanie_T> inconsistencies everywhere
2014-06-06 02:59 <diva> the method doesn't exist, but _Result is there
2014-06-06 03:00 <diva> error may not be there at all
2014-06-06 03:00 <diva> and neither result
2014-06-06 03:00 <Melanie_T> _Result is there but null
2014-06-06 03:00 <Melanie_T> because it's set to null
2014-06-06 03:00 <Melanie_T> and only overridden if a result exists
2014-06-06 03:00 <Melanie_T> so the emmeber is there but null
2014-06-06 03:00 <diva> not in the PHP code, I don't think
2014-06-06 03:00 <Melanie_T> rather being not there
2014-06-06 03:00 <Melanie_T> or the method throwing
2014-06-06 03:01 <Melanie_T> no, in the caller
2014-06-06 03:01 <Melanie_T> this is a mess
2014-06-06 03:01 <diva> ok
2014-06-06 03:01 <Melanie_T> but when was opensim not a mess
2014-06-06 03:01 <Melanie_T> i need to go to bed
2014-06-06 03:01 <diva> anyway, I"m going to spit out the URL when it fails, so that we know
2014-06-06 03:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #3628 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-06 03:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3628: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3628/
2014-06-06 03:10 <osjenkins> diva: Amend to previous commit -- write down the problematic Profile server URL.
2014-06-06 03:11 <smxy> diva: your comment in the regions.ini.example file ... shouldn't it also say that in addition to being in multiples of 256, it must also be perfectly square?
2014-06-06 03:26 <diva> does it?
2014-06-06 03:28 <Dev_Random> yes.  square multiple of 256, and apparently some viewers have issues if it's not an even power of 2 (256, 512,1024.. but not 768)
2014-06-06 03:29 <Dev_Random> but nebadon says 768 works fine for him, so.....
2014-06-06 03:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #3629 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-06 03:33 <diva> do all viewers support varregions now?
2014-06-06 03:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3629: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3629/
2014-06-06 03:36 <osjenkins> diva: Better comment regarding SizeX and SizeY
2014-06-06 03:57 <LiruCookies> diva: If Impru and Kokua do, then yes, FS and Singu do.
2014-06-06 03:58 <LiruCookies> diva: Also, support for powers of 2 less than 256 regions should be looked into
2014-06-06 03:58 <diva> cool. Because I'm going to ditch mega regions completely in favor of var regions in the diva distro
2014-06-06 03:58 <LiruCookies> diva: Awesome way to promote it!
2014-06-06 03:59 <diva> megas were always a hack until something like this came along. Var regions are working great for me
2014-06-06 04:00 <LiruCookies> SizeY is more of a dream
2014-06-06 04:04 <danbanner> imprudence doesnt support vars and likely never will
2014-06-06 04:06 <nebadon_laptop> all the currently being developed viewers support it
2014-06-06 04:06 <dahlia> I thought imprudence was dead
2014-06-06 04:22 <smxy> sweet. won't the upgrade from one to the other be a realy PITA though?
2014-06-06 04:22 <LiruCookies> Impru got picked up a year ago... I think? 
2014-06-06 04:24 <smxy> auto-upgrade from mega to var, I mean
2014-06-06 04:31 <smxy> How is it going to be socialized to the wider metaverse that you really DO have to upgrade to 0.8, because, for one thing, you'll crash anytime you try to jump to a var and you won't know it's a var, necessarily, before you jump.
2014-06-06 04:31 <nebadon_laptop> we shouldnt be forcing anyone to do anything in my opinion
2014-06-06 04:32 <nebadon_laptop> people will complain about being forced to bulletsim etc..
2014-06-06 04:32 <nebadon_laptop> no matter what we do we can not make everyone happy
2014-06-06 04:32 <smxy> I didn't say force. I said educate. If you don't upgrade, you'll have crashes.
2014-06-06 04:32 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-06-06 04:32 <nebadon_laptop> well i meant auto-upgrade
2014-06-06 04:32 <nebadon_laptop> but maybe i was overthinking what you meant
2014-06-06 04:33 <smxy> Oh, well, that was about diva's d2. It auto-updates from one version to the next, and if she switches to a var from a mega, how will that happen on an auto-update, is what I was asking.
2014-06-06 04:34 <nebadon_laptop> oh i see, that probably wont happen
2014-06-06 04:34 <nebadon_laptop> i dont think auto-update changes the localsim.ini 
2014-06-06 04:35 <nebadon_laptop> it would only effect new setups from scratch
2014-06-06 04:35 <smxy> Then all the existing d2s will stay megas.
2014-06-06 04:35 <nebadon_laptop> well only until people upgrade them if they want
2014-06-06 04:35 <nebadon_laptop> megas are still a viable choice, just not the best one
2014-06-06 04:36 <smxy> I am not sure the target users for d2 are going to be able to handle an upgrade from a mega to a var on their own.
2014-06-06 04:36 <nebadon_laptop> its as easy as save oar / load oar
2014-06-06 04:36 <nebadon_laptop> and terrain save-tile > terrain load
2014-06-06 04:36 <nebadon_laptop> and your done
2014-06-06 04:37 <smxy> if you make an oar of a mega, does it do the whole thing or do you have to make one per sub-region?
2014-06-06 04:37 <nebadon_laptop> it does all the content, and the SW region terrain
2014-06-06 04:38 <nebadon_laptop> so it requires the terrain save-tile / terrain load step too
2014-06-06 04:38 <LiruCookies> Can the region claim to be offline to another region if the other region is not new?
2014-06-06 04:38 <nebadon_laptop> terrain save-tile saves all regions into 1 bitmap 
2014-06-06 04:38 <LiruCookies> This way you couldn't jump from old to new
2014-06-06 04:38 <nebadon_laptop> not sure
2014-06-06 04:39 <LiruCookies> "I want to send this user to you" "No, I'm full"(actually, you're just too old)
2014-06-06 04:41 <smxy> I'm just afraid that people will start saying HG is broken because people start mysteriously (to them) crashing, not understanding that it's an issue of incompatible regions.
2014-06-06 04:43 <nebadon_laptop> I am not sure we can do anything unless we get people to update their old sims too
2014-06-06 04:43 <nebadon_laptop> we cant just magically inject code into old regions heh
2014-06-06 04:43 <nebadon_laptop> and if they are updating then there is no problem
2014-06-06 04:43 <nebadon_laptop> so its kind of catch 22
2014-06-06 04:43 <smxy> And now we've come full circle back to my question of how do we educate the wider community that they really need and want to do that and why?
2014-06-06 04:44 <smxy> No, but we could inject new code in before 0.8 releases that refused a TP from older code if it's a var they are coming to ...
2014-06-06 04:45 <smxy> with an approprite message to them about why the TP was refused.
2014-06-06 04:45 <nebadon_laptop> right
2014-06-06 04:45 <nebadon_laptop> but they still have to update
2014-06-06 04:45 <nebadon_laptop> so why not fully update
2014-06-06 04:45 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-06-06 04:45 <smxy> no, the old code wouldn't change, the new code would.
2014-06-06 04:46 <LiruCookies> nebadon_laptop: We can always introduce a new layer of the "can I send you this user" message between regions.
2014-06-06 04:46 <smxy> right now 0.8 var will accept a TP from older code. Perhaps it shouldn't.
2014-06-06 04:46 <nebadon_laptop> can we do that without updating old regions though?
2014-06-06 04:46 <nebadon_laptop> we have no way to tell if a region is "old"
2014-06-06 04:47 <smxy> we don't know what version a user is coming from?
2014-06-06 04:47 <nebadon_laptop> and for the region to understand that message
2014-06-06 04:47 <nebadon_laptop> it would need to be updated
2014-06-06 04:47 <nebadon_laptop> the old region to understand what the new region was telling it
2014-06-06 04:47 <nebadon_laptop> no we don't
2014-06-06 04:47 <LiruCookies> If the older regions won't send their version, a new part of the message will b added that the old ones won't have.
2014-06-06 04:47 <nebadon_laptop> exactly
2014-06-06 04:48 <LiruCookies> So the new ones want the new part, they won't have that from the old, piece of cake
2014-06-06 04:48 <nebadon_laptop> anyway I don't know for sure, but it seems unlikely we can do much without updating the old regions too
2014-06-06 04:48 <nebadon_laptop> what happens right now with the teleport
2014-06-06 04:49 <nebadon_laptop> does it send you back?
2014-06-06 04:49 <nebadon_laptop> or you get stuck in limbo?
2014-06-06 04:49 <smxy> liru's suggestion wouldn't require old code to change, only new.
2014-06-06 04:49 <smxy> you crash.
2014-06-06 04:49 <smxy> let me try it from my d2
2014-06-06 04:50 <LiruCookies> What I am suggesting is something that LL has done similar to in the past
2014-06-06 04:50 <nebadon_laptop> ok well if someone can work it out it would definitely end up in core 
2014-06-06 04:51 <nebadon_laptop> probably wouldnt make the release
2014-06-06 04:51 <nebadon_laptop> this release anyway
2014-06-06 04:51 <nebadon_laptop> unless it happens in the next few days and someone can actually convince justin of it working good enough
2014-06-06 04:51 <smxy> if it doesn't make it in this release, then there's little point.
2014-06-06 04:52 <smxy> My viewer locked up right after the TP started.
2014-06-06 04:52 <nebadon_laptop> ok well step one is figuring it out
2014-06-06 04:52 <nebadon_laptop> we cant convince anyone of inclusion in release without working code
2014-06-06 04:52 <nebadon_laptop> even if it doesnt go into this release it probably should be done if it can be done
2014-06-06 04:53 <smxy> I don't understand why this wasn't all thought out long before now.
2014-06-06 04:53 <nebadon_laptop> because I think the conclusion was it couldnt be fixed
2014-06-06 04:53 <nebadon_laptop> its been discussed several times I recall
2014-06-06 04:54 <smxy> Yes, it can't be fixed. But it can be made to gracefully fail.
2014-06-06 04:54 <nebadon_laptop> well if your feeling super passionate I would email the opensim-dev mailing list
2014-06-06 04:54 <nebadon_laptop> the sooner the better
2014-06-06 04:55 <LiruCookies> Yeah, this should be done before release.
2014-06-06 04:55 <nebadon_laptop> the person to convince is Justin
2014-06-06 04:55 <nebadon_laptop> if we can get a working patch you have my support
2014-06-06 05:05 <smxy> I'm writing up the email now ...
2014-06-06 05:11 <smxy> Sent.
2014-06-06 05:20 <smxy> Did it go out? I didn't get a copy. My end said it sent, though.
2014-06-06 05:21 <smxy> Oh, it went to berlios .... that's old, isn't it?
2014-06-06 05:21 <nebadon_laptop> indeed it is
2014-06-06 05:21 <nebadon_laptop> that wont get delivered heh
2014-06-06 05:21 <smxy> let me resend it
2014-06-06 05:23 <smxy> there, and I got as copy back, right away.
2014-06-06 05:23 <smxy> a* copy
2014-06-06 05:23 <nebadon_laptop> cool
2014-06-06 09:35 <osmantis> Bug #7209:04 [Script] PRIM_OMEGA return no values 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7209 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2014-06-06 18:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #3630 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-06 18:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3630: SUCCESS in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3630/
2014-06-06 18:09 <osjenkins> diva: Added simulation version compatibility check so that agents coming from 0.7.6 to a varregion running in 0.8 and above will be denied teleport, rather than be allowed and crash the viewer.
2014-06-06 18:41 <nebadon> opps i was in wrong channel, thanks diva :D
2014-06-06 18:41 <nebadon> smxy ^^
2014-06-06 19:02 <nebadon> smxy as soon as you can start testing this fix
2014-06-06 19:03 <nebadon> it likely will be in the release and that is going to delay the release ever so slightly for testing, so the sooner we test and are happy the sooner the release comes
2014-06-06 19:08 <smxy> Thanks, diva! nebadon: I'm at work, but I will absolutely test this later this evening and let you know.
2014-06-06 19:08 <smxy> I'm really glad this was done. :)
2014-06-06 19:09 <Dev_Random> nebadon: any chance you could deploy a region with that code on OSG?  there are older regions on there that could be TP'd from.
2014-06-06 19:10 <Dev_Random> (or failed to TP from....)
2014-06-06 19:38 <LiruCookies> That's a perfect fix, Diva....
2014-06-06 19:38 <LiruCookies> Oh, she's gone.
2014-06-06 19:40 <nebadon> sure Dev_Random
2014-06-06 19:40 <nebadon> i will update OKC World
2014-06-06 20:16 <nebadon> Dev_Random "OKC World" is updated
2014-06-06 20:17 <nebadon> its a varregion
2014-06-06 20:24 <smxy> I just tried to jump to that from my D2 and I got a perfect graceful fail and message as to why. :)
2014-06-06 20:25 <smxy> I love teamwork. :)
2014-06-06 20:25 <Dev_Random> my favourite "old" regions don't seem to be responding... I need to find new ones.
2014-06-06 20:27 <smxy> nebadon: Is there a region running this code that is NOT a var? We need to make sure that still works.
2014-06-06 20:27 <Dev_Random> that same QueryAccess method is used for walking across the border too, right?  Not just for TP?
2014-06-06 20:28 <lkalif> you really don't want to put different size regions next to each other
2014-06-06 20:28 <lkalif> especially with the old code
2014-06-06 20:29 <Dev_Random> well no, *I* don't.... 
2014-06-06 20:32 <nebadon> there will be smxy, not yet
2014-06-06 20:56 <nebadon> smxy and Dev_Random,, both jump4000 and jump8000 are updated for testing
2014-06-06 20:57 <nebadon> seemed the appropriate regions since we are testing teleports
2014-06-06 20:57 <nebadon> hey danbanner
2014-06-06 20:57 <danbanner> hey neb
2014-06-06 20:57 <nebadon> when you get a chance osgrid will need a new release
2014-06-06 20:57 <danbanner> k
2014-06-06 20:57 <nebadon> diva fixed the teleport from 0.7.9 to 0.8 var problem
2014-06-06 20:58 <danbanner> cool
2014-06-06 20:58 <nebadon> and its going to be in release, but we need to test it fast
2014-06-06 20:58 <lkalif> more prevented, than fixed
2014-06-06 20:58 <nebadon> because this is going to delay release slightly now
2014-06-06 20:58 <nebadon> until we are happy with testing
2014-06-06 20:58 <nebadon> ya i meant fixed the crash part
2014-06-06 20:58 <diva> sup? did I break something?
2014-06-06 20:58 <nebadon> nope
2014-06-06 20:59 <nebadon> just asking dan to push a new osgrid release for testing
2014-06-06 20:59 <nebadon> so your patch can be included in the 0.8 release
2014-06-06 20:59 <diva> ok
2014-06-06 20:59 <nebadon> Justin said he is on board but we need to test for a bit
2014-06-06 20:59 <lkalif> I saw 2nd annual OSCC announcement
2014-06-06 20:59 <nebadon> yep
2014-06-06 20:59 <lkalif> last year was pretty awesome
2014-06-06 21:00 <lkalif> looking forward to this one
2014-06-06 21:00 <nebadon> ya, hopefully will be even better this year :)
2014-06-06 21:00 <lkalif> tpv-dev panel really helped me understand stuff
2014-06-06 21:00 <lkalif> opened lines of communciation
2014-06-06 21:00 <frnic> Interesting side effect of the warning on TP's. I setup a var on my grid and HG TP'd to Lbsa Plaza, then could not return home, becase Lbsa Plazaa is too old. I understand why, but expect some will not -and will complain.
2014-06-06 21:01 <nebadon> it will be updated soon
2014-06-06 21:01 <smxy> got to jump8000 from the D2 perfectly
2014-06-06 21:01 <frnic> nebadonm, I know, the point was that this is better than crash for sure, but it is counter intuitive that you can TP someplace, but not tp back.
2014-06-06 21:01 <nebadon> heh
2014-06-06 21:02 <frnic> supporting legacy code is the bane of all older systems - sigh
2014-06-06 21:02 <smxy> frnic: that happens now with the 4096 check. You can tp to a place far, far away, but not back if they don't allow long TPs.
2014-06-06 21:02 <nebadon> ya
2014-06-06 21:03 <diva> so according to the code I added, it should be possible to TP from an older simulator to a new one as long as the new one is not a varregion. I didn't completely test that...
2014-06-06 21:03 <osmantis> Bug #7042:04 Robust is not setting flag region as is configured in Robust.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7042 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-06-06 21:03 <smxy> I just did and that worked, diva
2014-06-06 21:03 <diva> oh cool
2014-06-06 21:03 <smxy> from a d2 to osg's jump8000
2014-06-06 21:04 <nebadon> ya on OSgrid jump4000, jump8000 are 256 region that have the fix
2014-06-06 21:04 <nebadon> and "OKC World" is a big varregion area that is also updated
2014-06-06 21:04 <smxy> and I was gracefull told "no" when I tried to go from the D2 to there
2014-06-06 21:04 <smxy> +y
2014-06-06 21:04 <nebadon> UCI edu1 is updated too
2014-06-06 21:04 <frnic> dreamersbay.com:8002 is updated also, if anyone needs a HG destination to test jumping to/from. 
2014-06-06 21:04 <lkalif> nebadon: why are you limiting teleport distance still?
2014-06-06 21:05 <nebadon> i have a new version of universal campus coming soon
2014-06-06 21:05 <nebadon> am i?
2014-06-06 21:05 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-06 21:05 <nebadon> you mean in our examples lkalif?
2014-06-06 21:05 <frnic> I don't suppose we could just refuse to talk to any region older than 0.8 going forward :) (j/k)
2014-06-06 21:05 <lkalif> the last osgrid releast I could not teleport to Far55
2014-06-06 21:05 <nebadon> hmm danbanner?
2014-06-06 21:05 <lkalif> osgrid ini files, unmodiefied
2014-06-06 21:05 <nebadon> the default limit is what 16k?
2014-06-06 21:06 <nebadon> or is it 65k?
2014-06-06 21:06 <lkalif> why is default  16k? 
2014-06-06 21:06 <osmantis> Bug #6611:04 Local Chat Fail for Driver of Vehicle: Sitting Passengers & Vehicle Text Commands 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6611 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-06-06 21:06 <nebadon> i remember we all, you included i beleive decided on the current default
2014-06-06 21:06 <danbanner> its set in opensimdefaults.ini
2014-06-06 21:06 <nebadon> becuase there was potential issues?
2014-06-06 21:06 <nebadon> map issues maybe or something
2014-06-06 21:06 <danbanner> if it needs changed change it in core
2014-06-06 21:06 <lkalif> there are no issues withing 64k
2014-06-06 21:06 <nebadon> ok
2014-06-06 21:07 <nebadon> what our current default?
2014-06-06 21:07 <smxy> only issue is if you put a region above 65536, you cannot do a tp within your own grid to it by the map
2014-06-06 21:07 <nebadon> i can change it
2014-06-06 21:07 <danbanner> 16383
2014-06-06 21:07 <nebadon> ok let me change it to 65535
2014-06-06 21:07 <lkalif> nebadon: +1
2014-06-06 21:08 <frnic> I recall the discussion about defining the default to be 16K, but I don't recall why - there was a reason then, but it may not be valid any longer.
2014-06-06 21:09 <lkalif> if it was up to me i'd remove that code completely
2014-06-06 21:09 <frnic> Seems the issue was in one of the viewers? But I can't be sure.
2014-06-06 21:09 <nebadon> ya I cant remember now either I think it was something map related
2014-06-06 21:09 <lkalif> and just not allow regions to placed at grid positions > 64k
2014-06-06 21:09 <lkalif> diva: make it so :P
2014-06-06 21:09 <nebadon> ya 64k is a ton of addresses
2014-06-06 21:10 <frnic> No one will ever need more than 64K :
2014-06-06 21:10 <frnic> :)
2014-06-06 21:10 <nebadon> let future generations pay for our mistakes!
2014-06-06 21:10 <lkalif> frnic: it doesn't work above 64k without protocol rewrite anyway
2014-06-06 21:10 <lkalif> so it's already limited
2014-06-06 21:11 <lkalif> if you prevented people putting regions above, you'd just be preventing them from shooting themselves in the foor
2014-06-06 21:11 <lkalif> foot too
2014-06-06 21:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #3631 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-06 21:13 <nebadon> that probably wont make it into the release
2014-06-06 21:16 <danbanner> it didnt even make it in to the osgrid build ;p
2014-06-06 21:16 <smxy> but you can change it in your osgrid release ini files
2014-06-06 21:16 <lkalif> I need to setup an easy way to deploy opensim builds
2014-06-06 21:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3631: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3631/
2014-06-06 21:16 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: bump default teleport limit to 65535 regions
2014-06-06 21:17 <diva> speaking of easy deployment... has anyone tried running opensim on docker.io?
2014-06-06 21:18 <diva> docker.io is this lightweight VM thingie, not quite a VM, more like a container of applictions
2014-06-06 21:19 <lkalif> I've heard of it, but not played with it yet
2014-06-06 21:19 <smxy> I haven't tried that. I was using VMware ESXi, but then switched to Citrix XenServer.
2014-06-06 21:19 <diva> yeah, seems to be the new kid on devops
2014-06-06 21:19 <lkalif> nebadon, smxy. have you tried todays Replex build? It got new default skin
2014-06-06 21:20 <lkalif> dahlia would like it
2014-06-06 21:20 <justincc> diva: btw, I installed the 0.7.6 Wifi interface by itself on a 0.8-rc2 the other day and apperas to be without problems
2014-06-06 21:20 <smxy> Not yet. BTW, I tried to change my region environment settings and it wouldn't let me. Kept saying I could only change them every 3 seconds and to wait that long before trying again (which failed).
2014-06-06 21:21 <lkalif> that sounds like something server would say
2014-06-06 21:21 <diva> justincc that must be a first...
2014-06-06 21:21 <smxy> switched to FS and changed it on the first try
2014-06-06 21:21 <justincc> I' smoothed out the instructions at http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Wifi
2014-06-06 21:22 <diva> cool, thanks
2014-06-06 21:23 <smxy> I've been pulling and building diva's code for this whole release cycle and it's worked fine, dropping it onto opensim and compiling it all.
2014-06-06 21:23 <smxy> I do think that's a first. :)
2014-06-06 21:24 <smxy> Usually *something* breaks.
2014-06-06 21:26 <lkalif> New default look: http://i.imgur.com/6fxXqJq.png
2014-06-06 21:26 <smxy> Nice.
2014-06-06 21:27 <diva> I love that lkalif!
2014-06-06 21:27 <diva> what's that viewer?
2014-06-06 21:27 <diva> Anything with a black background ! <3
2014-06-06 21:27 <lkalif> It's a thing I'm toying with, I call it Replex. Singularity code based
2014-06-06 21:27 <lkalif> http://files.streamgrid.net/replex/
2014-06-06 21:28 <frnic> nebadon - I am at jump4000 and can not return home to my grid - error says jump4000 is older code still. I thought above ytou said it was updated?
2014-06-06 21:29 <diva> lkalif, it looks like replex can't be installed while I'm running singularity...
2014-06-06 21:29 <frnic> same problem at jump8000
2014-06-06 21:29 <justincc> why would this be blocked if it was working before?  I thought it was only jumps to var regions from older code (which crashes) that were blocked
2014-06-06 21:29 <lkalif> diva: it cannot be installed while any viewer is running
2014-06-06 21:29 <diva> ok
2014-06-06 21:30 <frnic> justincc - I am returning to a var region - the block says jump8000 and jump4000 are still running older code.
2014-06-06 21:30 <diva> justincc this patch will block TPs from any code that's older than today into a varregion that's running today's code
2014-06-06 21:30 <justincc> so wouldn't that hav ecrashed before?
2014-06-06 21:30 <frnic> correctr
2014-06-06 21:30 <justincc> your viewer, that is
2014-06-06 21:31 <diva> no, because the destination seems to be running newer code
2014-06-06 21:31 <frnic> Dan Banner is there now and is checking
2014-06-06 21:32 <danbanner> well i just updated my var to fe77912 and cant tp from a fe77912 regular region 
2014-06-06 21:32 <smxy> I know that going from old to today (non-var) and today (var) work as expected.
2014-06-06 21:32 <diva> danbanner show me the logs
2014-06-06 21:32 <frnic> 17:29:10 - [LOCAL SIMULATION CONNECTOR]: Request to access this variable-sized region from 0.2 simulator was denied
2014-06-06 21:32 <lkalif> LiruCookies made some cool stuff, like I want to have a "Friends" button on the bottom, now you can turn that on with View -> Change toobar buttons
2014-06-06 21:33 <diva> frnic, that seems legit. Maybe jump4000 has older inis
2014-06-06 21:33 <danbanner> all i get is http://i.imgur.com/dsPiNK8.png and console shows nothing
2014-06-06 21:34 <frnic> diva, Dan Is checking, I think he just said this is new code. I am at jump8000 now, but do the same.
2014-06-06 21:34 <diva> it's not just the code. The inis need to be the new ones too
2014-06-06 21:34 <smxy> right
2014-06-06 21:34 <frnic> On the var region needs new ini's also?
2014-06-06 21:35 <smxy> yes. GridHypergrid.ini, in your case, I believe.
2014-06-06 21:35 <frnic> okay, let me update and test again.
2014-06-06 21:35 <smxy> I check for ini changes EVERY time I pull. :)
2014-06-06 21:35 <diva> there's a config var under [SimulationService] that's set in the deveral inis' -- Standalone.ini, StandaloneHypergrid.ini, Grid.ini, GridHypergrid.ini
2014-06-06 21:36 <danbanner> diva: you mean there is a change to gridcommon.ini or opensim.ini?
2014-06-06 21:36 <diva> no, It's in GridHypergrid.ini / Grid.ini
2014-06-06 21:36 <frnic> well, I am using a localized version of the ini's that I am working on providing a patch for - updates defaults ini to be more like ini - hope to be donbe soon - it's a pia having two sets to watch.
2014-06-06 21:36 <diva> assuming you dodn't override it in GridCommon
2014-06-06 21:37 <diva> It's called ConnectorProtocolVersion
2014-06-06 21:37 <frnic> ah, I don't mess with GridHypergrid.in - cool.
2014-06-06 21:37 <diva> the config var, that is
2014-06-06 21:37 <frnic> So, my update process would always use the new one.
2014-06-06 21:37 <diva> the new value is / should be "SIMULATION/0.3"
2014-06-06 21:38 <danbanner> that is not in GridCommon.ini
2014-06-06 21:38 <danbanner> so i dont understand what would need to be changed
2014-06-06 21:38 <frnic> danbanner - try GridHypergrid.ini
2014-06-06 21:39 <danbanner> frnic: the GridHypergrid.ini thats in this build came straight from git
2014-06-06 21:39 <diva> dabanner, the departing region, if updated, should print something on the console
2014-06-06 21:39 <danbanner> ya we have limited logging, lemme change that and restart the region
2014-06-06 21:39 <diva> something like this:
2014-06-06 21:39 <frnic> My region (I am trying to return home from jump8000) is reporting that jump8000 is a 0.2 region.
2014-06-06 21:39 <diva> [LOCAL SIMULATION CONNECTOR]: Request to access this variable-sized region from {0} simulator was denied
2014-06-06 21:39 <LiruCookies> diva: I like your fix for that, you left before I could tell you earlier.
2014-06-06 21:40 <diva> err, I mean the target region
2014-06-06 21:40 <danbanner> oh target
2014-06-06 21:40 <danbanner> sec
2014-06-06 21:40 <diva> thanks, this needed to be fixed. I ran into it too many times already
2014-06-06 21:40 <frnic> diva - yes, my region is the target and is reporting jump8000 as a 0.2
2014-06-06 21:40 <danbanner> 16:31:10 - [LOCAL SIMULATION CONNECTOR]: Request to access this variable-sized region from 0.2 simulator was denied
2014-06-06 21:40 <diva> ok, then there's soething wring with the configs of jump8000
2014-06-06 21:41 <justincc> you can use the "config show" command to see what the simulator see it as set
2014-06-06 21:41 <smxy> It's dead at work. Time to start updating my grid to this. :)
2014-06-06 21:41 <danbanner> apparently the var thinks a regular size region is 0.2
2014-06-06 21:42 <diva> some leftovers, looks like
2014-06-06 21:42 <frnic> danbanner - look in GridHypergrid.ini
2014-06-06 21:42 <danbanner> frnic: the GridHypergrid.ini thats in this build came straight from git
2014-06-06 21:42 <smxy> did you verify it has the change diva made?
2014-06-06 21:42 <danbanner> we do not reuse gridhypergrid.ini
2014-06-06 21:43 <frnic> sorry, thats right, you said that before, my bad.
2014-06-06 21:43 <diva> see if it's being overwritten in GridCommon. The var is called ConnectorProtocolVersion
2014-06-06 21:43 <osmantis> Bug #7210:04 Proposal:  option to set startup logo... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7210 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-06 21:44 <danbanner> osgrid@plaza09:~/PLAZA/jump8000/bin/config-include> grep ConnectorProtocolVersion GridCommon.ini
2014-06-06 21:44 <danbanner> osgrid@plaza09:~/PLAZA/jump8000/bin/config-include>
2014-06-06 21:44 <danbanner> nothing
2014-06-06 21:44 <diva> I'm sure this is a left over, because if it wasn't it wouldn't report 0.2. It would be 0.
2014-06-06 21:44 <danbanner> grep ConnectorProtocolVersion GridHypergrid.ini
2014-06-06 21:44 <danbanner>     ConnectorProtocolVersion = "SIMULATION/0.3"
2014-06-06 21:45 <danbanner> whats a left over?
2014-06-06 21:45 <justincc> danbanner: do "config save" then pastebin the results
2014-06-06 21:45 <diva> and what does it report when you type the command that justin said on the console?
2014-06-06 21:45 <diva> left over means some config var that's being used from an old configuration file lurking somewhere
2014-06-06 21:46 <danbanner>  config show SimulationService
2014-06-06 21:46 <danbanner> [SimulationService]
2014-06-06 21:46 <danbanner>   ConnectorProtocolVersion = SIMULATION/0.3
2014-06-06 21:46 <diva> let me ping it from here
2014-06-06 21:46 <danbanner> diva its a new folder and only GridCommon.ini and OpenSim.ini are copied over and neither contain ConnectorProtocolVersion
2014-06-06 21:47 <danbanner> config show SimulationService reports 0.3
2014-06-06 21:47 <frnic> diva, OpenSimDefaults.ini has a MaxOutgoingTransferVersion set to ConnectorProtocolVersion/0.2
2014-06-06 21:47 <danbanner> ahh
2014-06-06 21:48 <frnic> grrr., I meant SIMULATION/0.2
2014-06-06 21:48 <diva> ok, i missed that one. But it sould be overwritten in GridHypergrid.ini
2014-06-06 21:48 <diva> I'll change it anyway
2014-06-06 21:49 <lkalif> the default should be sane in absence of .ini :)
2014-06-06 21:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #3632 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-06 21:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3632: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3632/
2014-06-06 21:55 <osjenkins> diva: Missed this ini change in previous commit
2014-06-06 21:59 <danbanner> thanks diva that was it
2014-06-06 21:59 <diva> cool, thanks for testing
2014-06-06 21:59 <smxy> sweet
2014-06-06 21:59 <frnic> cool, thanks diva
2014-06-06 21:59 <smxy> diva, tyvm for the quick turnaround on this idea and fix.
2014-06-06 21:59 <diva> there's so many variations, that's it becomes impossible for me to test it all
2014-06-06 22:00 <frnic> that is what we are for - just ask and we will test for you.
2014-06-06 22:00 <smxy> This is going to save everyone a ton of headaches and complaints about failed TPs.
2014-06-06 22:00 <frnic> smxy - I agree completely.
2014-06-06 22:01 <smxy> They'll still need to run a current viewer that supports vars, but this was a big win.
2014-06-06 22:01 <frnic> well, off to play some EOS with the wife unit - see you all later.
2014-06-06 22:21 <smxy> I think these are all the combos:
2014-06-06 22:21 <smxy> 0.8NV to 0.8V ok
2014-06-06 22:21 <smxy> 0.8V to 0.8NV ok
2014-06-06 22:22 <smxy> 0.8NV to D2 ok
2014-06-06 22:22 <smxy> D2 to 0.8NV ok
2014-06-06 22:22 <smxy> D2 to 0.8V ok (TP gracefully refused)
2014-06-06 22:22 <smxy> Did I miss any?
2014-06-06 22:23 <diva> I think that's it. Thanks
2014-06-06 22:23 <smxy> Thank you, too.
2014-06-06 22:24 <smxy> Oh, there is one more: 0.8V to D2 ... just a sec
2014-06-06 22:26 <smxy> And that's ok too.
2014-06-06 22:44 <danbanner> cool
2014-06-06 22:44 <AliciaRaven> thought it was strange that you didnt have the map issue with your mac smxy, maybe it was because u had the map cached
2014-06-06 22:44 <smxy> could be
2014-06-06 22:44 <smxy> I wipe everything when I update
2014-06-06 22:48 <AliciaRaven> now its confirmed by more than me i hope it gets fixed soon
2014-06-06 22:55 <smxy> I'm having a new problem with this code that I didn't earlier today. I bought this mesh cave system, on the kitely market, where you put the pieces together however you want to make really giant caves and caverns. I could walk on the mesh and all around the cave just fine before, but now I fall through the mesh in places and I can't walk around inside the cave anymore as I keep running 
2014-06-06 22:55 <smxy> into invisible walls.
2014-06-06 22:56 <dahlia> smxy: bullet or ode?
2014-06-06 22:56 <smxy> Supposed to be Bullet. Let me double check.
2014-06-06 22:57 <AliciaRaven> i had the same with bullet the other day after loading oars, it went away after the sim had finished caching and settled down
2014-06-06 22:58 <smxy> Yes, Bullet
2014-06-06 22:59 <dahlia> ya bullet probbly slower at building the collision geometry
2014-06-06 22:59 <smxy> The region's been up and running for a half hour
2014-06-06 22:59 <dahlia> were you editing?
2014-06-06 22:59 <smxy> Not since the update
2014-06-06 22:59 <dahlia> but it worked before?
2014-06-06 22:59 <smxy> I just went to the cave TO edit and ran into issues
2014-06-06 22:59 <lkalif> did you try to unplug and plug it back in? :P
2014-06-06 23:00 <smxy> it's been working perfectly for two days.
2014-06-06 23:00 <dahlia> dunno, unless maybe asset cache got messed up
2014-06-06 23:00 <dahlia> or misterblue changed something
2014-06-06 23:00 <smxy> I blew away the asset cache in the update. I always do.
2014-06-06 23:01 <dahlia> ah maybe timeouts or something
2014-06-06 23:01 <dahlia> try restart
2014-06-06 23:01 <AliciaRaven> make sure its cached with fcache assets and restart, that fixed the problem for me
2014-06-06 23:01 <smxy> huh? why would that help? I would hate to have to restart twice after every update.
2014-06-06 23:01 <smxy> Yes, it does that on start.
2014-06-06 23:02 <dahlia> well if you blew away cache and it had timeouts retrieving from the asset service, then ya it would fail to build the geometry
2014-06-06 23:02 <smxy> hmm. okay. worth a try
2014-06-06 23:04 <dahlia> lkalif: new viewer?
2014-06-06 23:05 <lkalif> why not, everybody has one :P
2014-06-06 23:05 <dahlia> what's it's vintage?
2014-06-06 23:05 <lkalif> singularity
2014-06-06 23:06 <lkalif> dahlia: I thought you'd like it's default skin http://i.imgur.com/6fxXqJq.png
2014-06-06 23:06 <smxy> Well, that DID fix the issue. But I consider that a problem. The timeouts are too short.
2014-06-06 23:06 <smxy> Thanks for the tip.
2014-06-06 23:06 <AliciaRaven> looks alot nicer than singularity lkalif
2014-06-06 23:07 <dahlia> smxy: ya prolly something that could use some improvement somewhere, not sure if its in opensim or in your grid
2014-06-06 23:07 <dahlia> lkalif: ya looks nice :)
2014-06-06 23:07 <smxy> It's gigabit networking using a SAN. :)
2014-06-06 23:07 <smxy> I doubt my end is slow.
2014-06-06 23:07 <dahlia> slowness may not be the problem
2014-06-06 23:09 <AliciaRaven> im surprised u get time outs even if u had a slow connection
2014-06-06 23:09 <lkalif> smxy makes to big a deal out of one-off occurence
2014-06-06 23:10 <smxy> It's not a one-off if it happened to two of us
2014-06-06 23:11 <dahlia> well I've seen mesh collision failures in lots of places and I'd like to know what's the cause if possible
2014-06-06 23:11 <AliciaRaven> is the physics shape setting not implemented does anyone know?
2014-06-06 23:12 <dahlia> physics shape setting?
2014-06-06 23:12 <AliciaRaven> i want to change as much as i can to convex hull or none to reduce load, but the combo jumps back to prim 90% of the time
2014-06-06 23:12 <lkalif> convex hulls are not supported anyway
2014-06-06 23:13 <AliciaRaven> in the features tab when editing a prim
2014-06-06 23:13 <dahlia> oh not sure how viewer handles that but if you use bullet you should be able to upload hulls
2014-06-06 23:13 <dahlia> bullet can use the hulls generated by the viewer
2014-06-06 23:13 <lkalif> dahlia: when editing linkset, you can select physics type for each non-root prim
2014-06-06 23:13 <AliciaRaven> wont even let me change it to none, if i used phantom instead, it has to be the whole linkset
2014-06-06 23:13 <lkalif> 3 options: prim, hull, none
2014-06-06 23:14 <dahlia> oh I thought you meant mesh upload dialog
2014-06-06 23:14 <dahlia> not sure about prim editing dialog
2014-06-06 23:14 <lkalif> would be nice to implement this, at least prim/none
2014-06-06 23:14 <AliciaRaven> yep, for a tree id want the leaves set to none and the trunk set to convex hull if possible
2014-06-06 23:15 <lkalif> AliciaRaven: opensim doesn't support creating physics convex hulls for prims
2014-06-06 23:15 <lkalif> but None as physics type would be nice to support
2014-06-06 23:15 <dahlia> does SL support it?
2014-06-06 23:15 <AliciaRaven> yes, none should be there for sure
2014-06-06 23:15 <AliciaRaven> sl does i think
2014-06-06 23:16 <lkalif> the whole Land imapct thing is crazy is difficult to tell
2014-06-06 23:16 <lkalif> but setting most prims to no phyics definetly helps
2014-06-06 23:16 <dahlia> I think bullet creates convex hulls for prims when an object is set to physical but I didnt write that part, ask misterblue
2014-06-06 23:16 <lkalif> with vehicles and other stuff
2014-06-06 23:17 <osmantis> Bug #7210:04 Proposal:  option to set startup logo... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7210 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-06-06 23:18 <dahlia> at one time way back when I had code in there that would allow phantom parts in non-phantom linksets but I think someone changed it along the way
2014-06-06 23:19 <dahlia> or maybe it got lost in sim restart or something
2014-06-06 23:19 <osmantis> Bug #7202:04 Loading OAR Fails to restore parcel data 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7202 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-06 23:19 <lkalif> this is sort of like that, except it's officially supported
2014-06-06 23:19 <lkalif> (on SL)
2014-06-06 23:19 <dahlia> ya this was before SL had anything like that
2014-06-06 23:20 <osmantis> Bug #7187:04 Too Many Open Files? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7187 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-06-06 23:20 <lkalif> iirc it uses caps to set these flags
2014-06-06 23:20 <lkalif> and to retrieve them
2014-06-06 23:21 <dahlia> I didnt change any protocol
2014-06-06 23:21 <dahlia> and I remember the viewer would also change them back at certain steps in editing
2014-06-06 23:21 <AliciaRaven> any optimization of physics is important i think, that and networking are the 2 heaviest loaded areas
2014-06-06 23:22 <dahlia> it was like having to link the phantom parts in after editing or something like that
2014-06-06 23:23 <osmantis> Bug #7206:04 With "force permissions false", avatars can remove clothing, but cannot wear clothing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7206 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-06 23:23 <dahlia> it was the same code that makes flexible prims phantom even if they were part of a non-phantom linkset
2014-06-06 23:23 <AliciaRaven> abit of a fiddle but better than not having it
2014-06-06 23:23 <dahlia> just an additional flag check
2014-06-06 23:25 <osmantis> Bug #7183:04 Problems loading OARs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7183 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-06-07 02:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #3633 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-07 02:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3633: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3633/
2014-06-07 02:46 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: fix the comment section of max_distance setting to reflect default value
2014-06-07 02:58 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/Light_House_v2.1_01.png
2014-06-07 03:05 <lilly909> allo, anyone awake? I was popping in to see if there was an idea as to the timing of 0.8 release.
2014-06-07 03:25 <xso> How many sims could I run on a single desktop workstation with 6 cores and 8gb ram if I was expecting a maximum of 25 people per sim
2014-06-07 03:25 <xso> and 15500 prims per sim
2014-06-07 03:37 <dahlia> 
ACTION guesses 5

2014-06-07 03:38 <dahlia> but it depends a lot on what the people are doing
2014-06-07 03:39 <nebadon> ram is a big limiting factor there xso
2014-06-07 03:40 <nebadon> my general recommendation is that you have 1 core and 2gb ram resrved for each region when they are active
2014-06-07 03:40 <nebadon> each simulator anyway
2014-06-07 03:40 <nebadon> and you want to keep at least 1 core free for the OS and a few gb of ram as well
2014-06-07 04:12 <xso> thanks so much for your help - it gave me an idea :)
2014-06-07 16:54 <NickyP> WARNING: process_sim_stats: Unknown sim stat identifier: 16 anyone know anything about sim stat identifier 16?
2014-06-07 17:48 <nebadon_> if anyone knows what that is NickyP its probably justincc
2014-06-07 19:13 <LiruCookies> NickyP: The source can tell you that
2014-06-07 19:13 <antont> i wonder what a search for '16' in the source would give :o
2014-06-07 19:13 <LiruCookies> LL_SIM_STAT_LSLIPS
2014-06-07 19:13 <antont> right-o
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2014-06-08 03:42 <smxy> Is there any built-in function to have offline IMs emailed to the user? Or a 3rd-party module?
2014-06-08 03:42 <Melanie_> no
2014-06-08 03:42 <Melanie_> there can't be
2014-06-08 03:42 <Melanie_> it's beyond the scope of opensim
2014-06-08 03:43 <Melanie_> if you use the old style (php) offline messages, you can use php's mail() function
2014-06-08 03:43 <smxy> No 3rd-party module?
2014-06-08 03:43 <Melanie_> ut setting up SMTP/MTA on your host is well outside opensim's scope
2014-06-08 03:43 <Melanie_> you need to provide transport
2014-06-08 03:43 <Plugh> You can use the offline.php file from the opensimwi project and modify it to send e-mail.
2014-06-08 03:43 <smxy> I'm quite proficient with Postfix.
2014-06-08 03:44 <Melanie_> smxy: then add it to offlines,php, as plugh and I said
2014-06-08 03:44 <Melanie_> and you will have offline IM
2014-06-08 03:44 <Melanie_> to email
2014-06-08 03:44 <Plugh> That's what I did.
2014-06-08 03:44 <Melanie_> it's what i did for avination
2014-06-08 03:44 <Melanie_> of course avination has a 1/4mio/min email hub
2014-06-08 03:45 <Melanie_> and also does replies
2014-06-08 03:45 <Melanie_> but then again, that is outside the cope of opensim
2014-06-08 03:45 <Melanie_> opensim can't be a MTA
2014-06-08 03:45 <Melanie_> the MTA is your part
2014-06-08 03:45 <Melanie_> opensim is not a grid and is not meant to be a grid at SL's level
2014-06-08 03:45 <Melanie_> those grid level services are the responsibility of the grid operatpr
2014-06-08 03:46 <smxy> No, but it could have the hook to send it to an external program that would take it frm there.
2014-06-08 03:46 <Melanie_> that is by design
2014-06-08 03:46 <Melanie_> smxy: a hook in a php file makes no sense
2014-06-08 03:46 <Plugh> smxy: It does. It can be told to call an external URL such as offline.php :)
2014-06-08 03:46 <smxy> No, the built-in version, that I use now. It could be made to send a copy to an external program.
2014-06-08 03:47 <Melanie_> checking a hook is a performance hit and doesn't really make much difference compared to adding a line of code yourself
2014-06-08 03:47 <Melanie_> smxy: write it, then.
2014-06-08 03:47 <Plugh> smxy: That would be about the same as what it does now.
2014-06-08 03:47 <smxy> Plugh, I shouldn't have to run a website to have IMs sent in email.
2014-06-08 03:48 <Plugh> smxy: The answer to your question appears to be no. If you want it you will have to make your own module.
2014-06-08 03:48 <smxy> At least I know what options there are. Thanks. :)
2014-06-08 03:48 <Plugh> Unless there is something already written that I don't know about that is buried in the forge projects.
2014-06-08 03:49 <Melanie_> smxy: email is an incredibly complex subject and, believe me, keeping a grid like avination off the RBLs is at least a part time job - not full time but it takes a goodly number of hours per week to check bounces, remove dead addresses and correspond with yahoo, google, etc...
2014-06-08 03:51 <smxy> I've been a Systems Admin since the '80s, Melanie. I'm familiar with the issues.
2014-06-08 03:51 <smxy> (But others reading this might not be, so thanks.)
2014-06-08 03:51 <Plugh> 
ACTION sighs

2014-06-08 03:51 <Plugh> the cat is calling for me... again
2014-06-08 03:51 <smxy> hehe
2014-06-08 03:52 <Plugh> He already did that a little while ago and I went to see him.
2014-06-08 03:52 <Melanie_> smxy: can you imagine the issues, then?
2014-06-08 03:52 <smxy> You *could* train it to come to you, rather than the reverse, you know. :)
2014-06-08 03:52 <Melanie_> smxy: just think
2014-06-08 03:52 <Melanie_> smxy: we provide a hook, maybe even instructions
2014-06-08 03:52 <Melanie_> smxy: people use it
2014-06-08 03:52 <Plugh> I saw one sign I liked today. It said "We gave our kids away. The cats were allergic to them."
2014-06-08 03:53 <smxy> :)
2014-06-08 03:53 <Melanie_> smxy: and then, the next thing we hear is "it's YOUR fault my server is listed at spamhaus. now GET ME OFF THE RBL or i will SUE you"
2014-06-08 03:53 <Melanie_> smxy: so, no. it's your work, your responsibility
2014-06-08 03:53 <Melanie_> smxy: and your shitstorm
2014-06-08 03:53 <Melanie_> smxy: sorry. /me goes to cover her backside
2014-06-08 03:54 <smxy> That *is* why I inquired as to mutiple possible solutions, one not being built-in. :)
2014-06-08 03:54 <Melanie_> we provide the option to modify the php
2014-06-08 03:54 <Melanie_> if someone is unable to do that, they should not attempt thi
2014-06-08 03:54 <Melanie_> the internal module is for those who can't deal with apache/php
2014-06-08 03:55 <Melanie_> an entry level solution
2014-06-08 03:55 <Melanie_> eas but limited
2014-06-08 03:55 <Melanie_> want to go beyond that? use the php one
2014-06-08 03:56 <Plugh> 
ACTION thinks his afternoon out has wiped him out and made him too tired to work on a project tonight.

2014-06-08 03:56 <smxy> I can run a webserver. I have one now. I'd just rather not. There are any number of opensource programs that provide output to email. Your "being sued" argument is weak, I think. But ok.
2014-06-08 03:57 <Melanie_> it's not my argument
2014-06-08 03:57 <Melanie_> i'm reiterating
2014-06-08 03:57 <Melanie_> i'm UK based
2014-06-08 03:57 <Melanie_> i couldn't care less
2014-06-08 03:57 <Melanie_> we're WAY less sue-happy than the US
2014-06-08 03:58 <Melanie_> int he US, litigation is a way of life and it's often used not to gain a judgemet but to bankrupt the plaintiff
2014-06-08 03:58 <Melanie_> erm
2014-06-08 03:58 <Melanie_> sorry
2014-06-08 03:58 <Melanie_> respondent
2014-06-08 03:58 <Melanie_> e.g. rich entity sues poor entity and poor entity default for legal costs
2014-06-08 03:59 <Melanie_> rich entity suck up poor entity
2014-06-08 03:59 <Melanie_> that is the american way
2014-06-08 03:59 <Melanie_> rags to riches is dead
2014-06-08 03:59 <AliciaRaven> what about the email module that opensim already has for scripts?
2014-06-08 04:00 <smxy> hmm?
2014-06-08 04:00 <Melanie_> AliciaRaven: maybe code can be copied from that to offlnes
2014-06-08 04:00 <LiruCookies> Good question!
2014-06-08 04:00 <Melanie_> the person who worte internal offlines decided not to
2014-06-08 04:00 <Melanie_> not my place to pass judgement
2014-06-08 04:00 <AliciaRaven> thats what i have done on my grid
2014-06-08 04:00 <Melanie_> the email module was originally an out of core module
2014-06-08 04:00 <Melanie_> it was later integrated
2014-06-08 04:01 <Plugh> The ability for scripts to send email is something that is off by default. The underlying code might be useable.
2014-06-08 04:01 <Melanie_> for the same reasons. legal paranoia
2014-06-08 04:01 <smxy> Gee, isn't that out of scope? :)
2014-06-08 04:01 <smxy> So, what is this module that has email in it?
2014-06-08 04:02 <Melanie_> it's the scripts email module
2014-06-08 04:02 <AliciaRaven> IEmailModule emailModule = m_SceneList[0].RequestModuleInterface<IEmailModule>();
2014-06-08 04:02 <Melanie_> it allows llEmail to mail to external addresses
2014-06-08 04:02 <Melanie_> it does that using an SMTP smart host
2014-06-08 04:02 <Melanie_> you have to set that up
2014-06-08 04:02 <smxy> of course
2014-06-08 04:02 <Melanie_> so, again, out of scope
2014-06-08 04:03 <Melanie_> there is one difference
2014-06-08 04:03 <smxy> the most I'd expect Opensim to do is hand it off like that, no more. It's all external after that
2014-06-08 04:03 <Melanie_> the scripts email modulle is a regular smtp client
2014-06-08 04:03 <Melanie_> offline messages would need to have MTA privs to "fake" return address, from address, etc
2014-06-08 04:04 <Melanie_> a much tighter integrationa nd als MTA dependent
2014-06-08 04:04 <Melanie_> as i'm a dinosaur, i know how to do that for MMDF and QMail
2014-06-08 04:04 <smxy> Yes, the email admin would have to know his/her stuff. :)
2014-06-08 04:04 <Melanie_> not postfix
2014-06-08 04:05 <Melanie_> as when i learned mail servers postfix didn't exist
2014-06-08 04:05 <smxy> I'm sure you could learn it, if the need presented itself. :)
2014-06-08 04:05 <Melanie_> oh, i set up postfixes
2014-06-08 04:06 <Melanie_> it's not rocket science
2014-06-08 04:06 <Plugh> I don't know what MMDF is. Using Qmail would be no different than using Sendmail.
2014-06-08 04:06 <Melanie_> MMDF is "Multiple Memorandum Distribution Facility"
2014-06-08 04:06 <Melanie_> an early 90s mail server
2014-06-08 04:06 <Plugh> uhh, ok.
2014-06-08 04:07 <Melanie_> you had to do some weird stuff to make it not use source routes
2014-06-08 04:07 <Melanie_> as it's old enough to understand bank paths
2014-06-08 04:07 <Melanie_> bang*
2014-06-08 04:07 <smxy> ah, UUCP mail
2014-06-08 04:07 <Melanie_> it was straight RFC 822
2014-06-08 04:07 <Melanie_> not 2822
2014-06-08 04:07 <smxy> I remember that from my days at AT&T.
2014-06-08 04:07 <Plugh> smxy: sounds like it.
2014-06-08 04:10 <Melanie_> heh, read the disclaimer
2014-06-08 04:10 <Melanie_> i DID say i was a dino
2014-06-08 04:11 <smxy> Oh, please. I'm 56. I've seen pics of you. You don't look older than me (unless they're old pics). :)
2014-06-08 04:11 <Melanie_> lol
2014-06-08 04:11 <Plugh> Sounds like we are all of similar vintage.
2014-06-08 04:11 <Melanie_> no i'm not older than you in years but i may have started earlier in life
2014-06-08 04:11 <smxy> Maybe you just age well. :)
2014-06-08 04:11 <Melanie_> i'm turning 50 this year
2014-06-08 04:12 <smxy> ah, the big 5-0
2014-06-08 04:12 <Melanie_> yup
2014-06-08 04:12 <Melanie_> i was going to host a large-ish event, 100+ ppl
2014-06-08 04:12 <Plugh> I'm inbetween the two of you
2014-06-08 04:12 <diva> we should have a party!
2014-06-08 04:12 <Melanie_> but scheduling conflicts nixed that
2014-06-08 04:12 <smxy> hi diva
2014-06-08 04:12 <Melanie_> so maybe i will next year
2014-06-08 04:13 <Melanie_> diva: i'm all for parties
2014-06-08 04:13 <Melanie_> you, me, and 500 friends in amsterdam lol
2014-06-08 04:13 <Melanie_> that would be fun
2014-06-08 04:13 <diva> hehehe +++
2014-06-08 04:13 <Melanie_> book a club, some djs
2014-06-08 04:13 <Melanie_> and i'll play a special set
2014-06-08 04:13 <diva> what month's your bday?
2014-06-08 04:14 <Melanie_> beginning if july
2014-06-08 04:14 <Melanie_> of*
2014-06-08 04:14 <Melanie_> less than a month to go to the 5-0
2014-06-08 04:14 <smxy> I was betting you were a Taurus. You act like one. :)
2014-06-08 04:14 <Melanie_> i'm a cancer
2014-06-08 04:14 <Melanie_> virgo rising
2014-06-08 04:14 <Melanie_> :P
2014-06-08 04:14 <smxy> Mine was 3 weeks ago.
2014-06-08 04:14 <diva> likely I won't be able to be physically present, but we shold at least make a virtual party for you
2014-06-08 04:15 <Melanie_> awwww
2014-06-08 04:15 <diva> five-oh is an important milestone :)
2014-06-08 04:15 <Melanie_> yup
2014-06-08 04:15 <diva> pick a grid, we'll all join
2014-06-08 04:15 <smxy> You're not there yet, are you, Diva. I'm thinking not.
2014-06-08 04:15 <Melanie_> but i'd have to do it in osgrid or so
2014-06-08 04:15 <diva> yeah osgrid sounds great!
2014-06-08 04:15 <Melanie_> many ppl would ot want to come to avn for it, as it's a closed grid
2014-06-08 04:15 <Melanie_> and i WILL NOT do it in sl
2014-06-08 04:16 <diva> or we can do it in the CC. Maybe a good way to restart the load tests! 
2014-06-08 04:16 <Melanie_> lol
2014-06-08 04:16 <smxy> lol
2014-06-08 04:16 <Plugh> smxy: Mine was about 5 weeks ago
2014-06-08 04:16 <Melanie_> well, it would have to be run on an avination code base sim
2014-06-08 04:17 <smxy> A belated HBD, Plugh. :)
2014-06-08 04:17 <diva> would it?
2014-06-08 04:17 <Melanie_> my builders' scripts won't run on stock
2014-06-08 04:17 <Plugh> diva: 5-0 is just a number
2014-06-08 04:17 <smxy> yesm, but it's a BIG number. :)
2014-06-08 04:17 <diva> it's an important number
2014-06-08 04:17 <diva> we totally need to organize a party
2014-06-08 04:17 <diva> maybe osgrid is more convenient, then
2014-06-08 04:18 <Plugh> smxy: Nothing special happened on my 50th. 
2014-06-08 04:18 <Melanie_> we had an avn sim on the cc before
2014-06-08 04:18 <smxy> Nor on mine. That doesn't mean it isn't a milestone.
2014-06-08 04:18 <Melanie_> our sponsor sim
2014-06-08 04:18 <diva> oh yeah, that's right
2014-06-08 04:18 <Melanie_> but i think most ppl have either got an osgrid account or know how to HG there
2014-06-08 04:18 <smxy> From 50, onwards, every 10 is a milestone.
2014-06-08 04:19 <diva> we could do it there, although that server is crappy
2014-06-08 04:19 <Melanie_> and, heh, remember, you gave me a 32 bit server!
2014-06-08 04:19 <Melanie_> :P
2014-06-08 04:19 <diva> yea, it's a very old server...
2014-06-08 04:20 <Melanie_> so, prolly osg
2014-06-08 04:20 <Melanie_> and an avn server
2014-06-08 04:20 <Melanie_> i'm worried about osg anyway
2014-06-08 04:20 <Melanie_> vars may mess it up beynd usability
2014-06-08 04:20 <diva> prolly. althought the central services in OSG sometimes are flaky
2014-06-08 04:20 <Melanie_> i doubt it's yet geare to work with them
2014-06-08 04:24 <diva> smxy: in spirit I'm about 22 :)
2014-06-08 04:24 <diva> never grew from that age
2014-06-08 04:25 <Melanie_> well, on two separate occasions, in good light, i have been guessed to be 36-38 by two separate women
2014-06-08 04:25 <Melanie_> but i'm just 18 going on 99
2014-06-08 04:25 <Melanie_> i'm going to live forever
2014-06-08 04:25 <smxy> diva: :)
2014-06-08 04:25 <diva> heheh
2014-06-08 04:25 <Melanie_> or die trying
2014-06-08 15:28 <Misterblue> Does anyone know of a publicly available oar that has lots of meshes?
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2014-06-08 15:32 <Plugh> 
ACTION thinks nebadon could make one for you. :)

2014-06-08 15:36 <nebadon_laptop> ya I could do that
2014-06-08 15:36 <nebadon_laptop> Misterblue swing by Reticulation on OSgrid
2014-06-08 15:36 <nebadon_laptop> and see if that will do what you need
2014-06-08 15:36 <Misterblue> k
2014-06-08 15:42 <nebadon_laptop> brb afk few
2014-06-08 15:51 <nebadon_laptop> back
2014-06-08 15:51 <nebadon_laptop> will that work Misterblue?
2014-06-08 15:52 <Misterblue> that would be great... I need linksets of meshes but I can do that with these
2014-06-08 15:53 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/oars/reticulation_2014-06-08.oar
2014-06-08 15:58 <Misterblue> thanks much, nebadon
2014-06-08 16:06 <nebadon_laptop> no problem Misterblue
2014-06-08 16:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #3634 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-08 16:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3634: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3634/
2014-06-08 16:11 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: fix exceptions while rebuilding linksets with mesh children.
2014-06-08 16:12 <osmantis> Bug #7204:04 Bulletsim VarRegion recently started crashing on sim startup - Red errors: Exception: System.NullReferenceException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7204 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007191.
2014-06-08 16:12 <osmantis> Bug #7191:04 [BULLETSIM] exception with linkset on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7191 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007204.
2014-06-08 16:15 <osmantis> Bug #7204:04 Bulletsim VarRegion recently started crashing on sim startup - Red errors: Exception: System.NullReferenceException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7204 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-08 16:15 <osmantis> Bug #7191:04 [BULLETSIM] exception with linkset on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7191 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-08 16:35 <danbanner> ping Misterblue
2014-06-08 16:35 <Misterblue> pong danbanner
2014-06-08 16:35 <danbanner> are you planning on making SendTerrainUpdatesByViewDistance = true the default for the release?
2014-06-08 16:36 <Misterblue> I'd like to... if testing returns positive feedback, I may get concensus to do that
2014-06-08 16:36 <danbanner> okay cool
2014-06-08 16:36 <danbanner> its been working well for myself
2014-06-08 16:37 <Misterblue> haven't heard of any reported crashes... my biggest fear was that multiple avatars in a large region doing the partial terrain patches might find problems
2014-06-08 16:38 <Misterblue> do you know of anyone trying it with lots of avatars?
2014-06-08 16:39 <danbanner> not really tried that specically, thats probably something we can do tho
2014-06-08 16:39 <Misterblue> the addition does bookkeeping on what terrain patches have been sent to which avatar
2014-06-08 16:39 <danbanner> probably the most ive had in a var since changing that is 7 or 8 so far
2014-06-08 16:40 <Misterblue> every avatar should, independently, only get sent terrain in their view distance
2014-06-08 16:40 <danbanner> ya it seems to work pretty well
2014-06-08 16:46 <diva> speaking of terrain: I wonder if it would be possible to replace the terrain altogether with specific meshes. In many builds, we don't use the terrain itself; we have meshed terrain. Sending the terrain in those cases is a waste of cycles. But probably the viewer needs some "terrain" or it won't work?
2014-06-08 16:47 <nebadon_laptop> diva the big problem with that
2014-06-08 16:47 <nebadon_laptop> is if you fall the the mesh
2014-06-08 16:47 <nebadon_laptop> its kind of nice actually having 2 levels of terrain
2014-06-08 16:47 <nebadon_laptop> a subterrain i sometimes do work down there cause its way easier to rez stuff on the real terrain
2014-06-08 16:47 <nebadon_laptop> raycasting on mesh is not so great
2014-06-08 16:48 <nebadon_laptop> you rez a cube on mesh terrain it usually ends up not where you want it
2014-06-08 16:48 <nebadon_laptop> sometimes very far away from you
2014-06-08 16:48 <Misterblue> raycasting with BulletSim only does bounding box.
2014-06-08 16:49 <Misterblue> If you put flat terrain under a terrain mesh that should be quick... flat terrain compresses into small patches
2014-06-08 16:49 <nebadon_laptop> that is what we do
2014-06-08 16:50 <diva> ok
2014-06-08 16:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #3635 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-08 16:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3635: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3635/
2014-06-08 16:56 <osjenkins> misterblue: Add [Terrain]SendTerrainUpdatesByViewDistance=false to OpenSimDefaults.ini
2014-06-08 18:40 <smxy> Question: Are foreign visitors able to be set as Estate managers? Also, can a foreign visitor be allowed to become god, somehow?
2014-06-08 18:41 <nebadon_laptop> yes and yes
2014-06-08 18:41 <nebadon_laptop> you set them as an estate manager
2014-06-08 18:41 <nebadon_laptop> then in OpenSim.ini permissions section allow estate managers to be gods
2014-06-08 18:41 <nebadon_laptop> thats about as good as it gets
2014-06-08 18:42 <nebadon_laptop> you cant do grid wide gods for them though
2014-06-08 18:42 <nebadon_laptop> unless you do that on every region or make it an estate
2014-06-08 18:44 <smxy> no, just want them to be a god in the estate where they are a manager
2014-06-08 18:46 <nebadon_laptop> then yes you should be fine
2014-06-08 18:46 <AliciaRaven> nebadon_laptop, u know any free boat scripts that work with bullet? all i can find are ode ones that have weird effects
2014-06-08 18:46 <nebadon_laptop> region_manager_is_god = true
2014-06-08 18:47 <nebadon_laptop> this is what you want smxy
2014-06-08 18:47 <nebadon_laptop> hmmm someone was talking about boats here other day
2014-06-08 18:47 <nebadon_laptop> its out of my scroll history now
2014-06-08 18:48 <AliciaRaven> k, i will keep looking, the last one i tried just started to roll lol thnx
2014-06-08 18:48 <smxy> thanks nebadon_laptop, that worked.
2014-06-08 18:48 <nebadon_laptop> cool
2014-06-08 18:49 <nebadon_laptop> Ken_S was the one with boats I think
2014-06-08 18:49 <smxy> AliciaRaven: let me check my log for that boat ref. I was aking and someone said where.
2014-06-08 18:49 <AliciaRaven> thanks smxy
2014-06-08 18:51 <smxy> [18:09] <smxy> And where can I get boats? :)
2014-06-08 18:51 <smxy> [18:11] <Ken_S> I have a few in a box you can buy for $0 that work in "Moorea Sailing" sim
2014-06-08 18:51 <smxy> We determined that that region was on OSG
2014-06-08 18:51 <smxy> I was asking for boats that work in a var
2014-06-08 18:51 <smxy> AliciaRaven^^
2014-06-08 18:52 <AliciaRaven> k, will get my dusty osg avatar out of its box and go see :) thanks
2014-06-08 18:53 <smxy> My avatar is in 7 groups. I just tried to join another and was told I was in all I could be and had to leave one. Is tht a setting somewhere? I thought we were up to 42 or some such number?
2014-06-08 18:54 <AliciaRaven> d2 had a limit on groups, but core os didnt asfar as i know
2014-06-08 18:54 <Plugh> The limit can be sent during the login data packet. Some viewers may have other default values builtin.
2014-06-08 18:54 <smxy> This is in yesterday's code
2014-06-08 18:54 <smxy> Latest Firestorm.
2014-06-08 18:55 <Plugh> The limit in SL was 25 then was 50 and more recently I'm hearing about this limit of 42. Seems a strange number.
2014-06-08 18:55 <nebadon_laptop> diva may know
2014-06-08 18:55 <nebadon_laptop> maybe something accidently slipped into core from her diva branch
2014-06-08 18:55 <smxy> I'm using V2 Groups.
2014-06-08 18:55 <Plugh> strange unless one is a hitchhikers fan.
2014-06-08 19:04 <smxy> The person who invited me relogged and it worked this time. Odd. But I checked the robust console and I see this for the previous attempt:
2014-06-08 19:04 <smxy> http://pastebin.com/wjsYtCV3
2014-06-08 19:05 <nebadon_laptop> wierd
2014-06-08 19:05 <nebadon_laptop> so no limit now?
2014-06-08 19:05 <nebadon_laptop> maybe packet was mangled enough to confuse the viewer to send wrong message
2014-06-08 19:05 <smxy> Nope. After they crashed and relogged, they sent another invite and I joined without issue.
2014-06-08 19:06 <smxy> Whatever the cause, that null should be handled better, so I think I'll mantis that.
2014-06-08 19:07 <diva> I didn't put any limit anywhere. If it exists it's because I don't know about it
2014-06-08 19:08 <smxy> No, I think nebadon_laptop is right - the packet got mangled somehow. The user just told me that she created the group and then it seemed to keep asking her to create it repeatedly.
2014-06-08 19:08 <diva> yes, I saw that behavior before
2014-06-08 19:08 <diva> not sure what that is all about
2014-06-08 19:09 <smxy> Then she sent me the invite and I got that null exception and was told I was in the limit of groups and to leave one.
2014-06-08 19:09 <smxy> Then she crashed and upon relog it just worked.
2014-06-08 19:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #3636 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-08 19:20 <smxy> ty diva
2014-06-08 19:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3636: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3636/
2014-06-08 19:23 <osjenkins> diva: Don't try to package null invites.
2014-06-08 21:01 <diva> interesting. So the confusion on group creation seems to be a problem in Singularity (at least). I get the same behavior in SL
2014-06-08 21:03 <diva> I create a group there, and I get a pop up saying that the group info changed and asking whether I want to apply the changes, If I say yes, it tried to creat ethe group again
2014-06-08 21:03 <nebadon_laptop> ya I have been seeing that a lot myself
2014-06-08 21:03 <nebadon_laptop> for a long while now
2014-06-08 21:03 <nebadon_laptop> I think same thing even happens with Flotsam Groups
2014-06-08 21:04 <diva> I'm pretty sure this wasn't like this when I wrote groups
2014-06-08 21:05 <diva> let me try with the SL viewer
2014-06-08 21:06 <smxy> It has been around a while. I just thought it was my end messing up.
2014-06-08 21:06 <diva> atually trying with an old singularity, oscc viewer
2014-06-08 21:07 <diva> hmm, same
2014-06-08 21:08 <diva> let me burn another L$100 on the SL grid with the SL viewer
2014-06-08 21:08 <smxy> diva: my user that had the issue says she is using Singularity as well.
2014-06-08 21:10 <smxy> She's using: ingularity Viewer (64 bit) 1.8.5 (5617)
2014-06-08 21:10 <smxy> +S
2014-06-08 21:16 <diva> ok so the SL viewer doesn't do that
2014-06-08 21:16 <diva> let me try Firestorm
2014-06-08 21:21 <smxy> I created a group in my grid with FS and it went fine.
2014-06-08 21:21 <smxy> latest version
2014-06-08 21:22 <smxy> Perhaps it's just a Singularity bug.
2014-06-08 21:22 <diva> Yep, same here. I think that when I developed the groups feature I was using Firestorm
2014-06-08 21:22 <diva> let me ping the Singu devs
2014-06-08 21:23 <smxy> Might want to see if Replex does it right or not, since it's Singu-derived.
2014-06-08 21:27 <diva> so they were aware of this, and they've fixed it already, but only in the alpha
2014-06-08 21:28 <smxy> ah. I'll suggest that to my user. Thanks!
2014-06-08 21:29 <diva> I burnt L$200 for notthing! :) how much is the Linden these days anyway?
2014-06-08 21:30 <smxy> Well, not nothing. This did get that null exception fixed. :)
2014-06-08 21:31 <Plugh> Last I looked it was around L$270 for 1$US,
2014-06-08 21:32 <smxy> Thanks for looking into it, Diva.
2014-06-08 21:33 <diva> I had ran into it recently and also got seriously confused
2014-06-08 21:33 <lkalif> diva: Next time try on aditi (beta) grid ;)
2014-06-08 21:33 <diva> oh
2014-06-08 21:34 <diva> I dont think I ever logged in there. I thought you needed a special permission?
2014-06-08 21:34 <lkalif> no
2014-06-08 21:34 <lkalif> and you get some fake money on the account
2014-06-08 21:34 <diva> I
2014-06-08 21:34 <antont> i went there too to test meshes way back then
2014-06-08 21:34 <lkalif> would have saved your 3 quarters
2014-06-08 21:34 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-06-08 21:34 <antont> :)
2014-06-08 21:35 <nebadon_laptop> in the past 6 or 7 years ive spent way more time in beta grid
2014-06-08 21:35 <diva> I'll try to remember next time I want to test something. I keep landing in all sorts of weird places in SL that I feel I shouldn't be....
2014-06-08 21:35 <nebadon_laptop> with my 87,000L$
2014-06-08 21:35 <antont> i probably have like 200L$ :)
2014-06-08 21:36 <lkalif> on aditi? don't you get like $5000 each login
2014-06-08 21:36 <nebadon_laptop> thats probably how much i have on main grid
2014-06-08 21:36 <lkalif> i think i have over $200k
2014-06-08 21:36 <nebadon_laptop> haha nice
2014-06-08 21:36 <lkalif> well if you need aditi money for testing, hit me up :)
2014-06-08 21:36 <diva> I will ! :)
2014-06-08 21:37 <antont> ah i meant in SL
2014-06-08 21:38 <antont> misunderstood nebadon_laptop that he'd have lots in SL so didn't need to use aditi for testing but, well, got it all wrong and will again blame being tired! (my fav excuse when it's past midnight)
2014-06-08 21:39 <lkalif> 
ACTION thinks vodka is more likely explanation :P

2014-06-08 21:39 <antont> (also i don't like it that 3ds max crashes when i try to open a .max file made with 3ds max)
2014-06-08 21:39 <nebadon_laptop> haha I wish
2014-06-08 21:39 <antont> <- wishes too
2014-06-08 21:40 <smxy> Well, she won't run the alpha, as she's afraid it'll be unstable. Perhaps Singu will cut a new release soon.
2014-06-08 21:41 <antont> we have a summer school here actually next week and all the others were there for a dinner as the profs arrived etc .. i'm gonna assist prof Feiner in the mobile AR workshop. anyhoo, i didn't get to go as was alone with kids. so had to stay away from vodka. but thanks for reminding i did buy a beer! /me goes to fetch it
2014-06-08 21:45 <antont> (and apparently already before getting the beer i got the 3ds max crash fixed .. apparently projects that use the ogre exporter have to be open also so that the exporter is installed to max. complained about missing dlls otherwise. pretty sucky i'd say - i don't need the ogre export now, but without it crashed)
2014-06-08 21:46 <antont> but am sure very happy it works now and can reward with the beer .. and do exports tomorrow etc :)
2014-06-08 21:46 <lkalif> a beer sounds like a good idea
2014-06-08 21:47 <lkalif> 
ACTION is enhoying coupld of hours of sort of dark we get here

2014-06-08 21:47 <lkalif> As a type B person, summers in the nordic countries are challenging ;)
2014-06-08 21:48 <antont> right, no shortage of light here now
2014-06-08 21:48 <lkalif> I hate it :P
2014-06-08 21:48 <antont> and you are down there south :p
2014-06-08 21:49 <lkalif> we still get sunshine past 9 in the evening, that's just not right
2014-06-08 21:49 <antont> we just bought new darkening curtains .. for my wife and kids as well, they also wanted those .. and i don't mind either, is nice to get the bedroom dark enough
2014-06-08 21:49 <antont> we get sunshine at 11 in the evening i think
2014-06-08 21:50 <antont> and what 3am or something
2014-06-08 21:50 <lkalif> yeah we only get like 3 hours of sort of dark
2014-06-08 21:50 <lkalif> way too little if you ssk me ;)
2014-06-08 21:50 <antont> is quite bright outside right now, doesn't get dark anymore i think
2014-06-08 21:51 <smxy> Someone just told me that LL finances Firestorm. Is there any truth to that?
2014-06-08 21:51 <lkalif> no
2014-06-08 21:51 <antont> easily enough light to read etc out there and it's 12:51 am .. is like a cloudy day or something and this is the darkest moment
2014-06-08 21:52 <smxy> Oh: "it isn't a public thing ... you have to be able to read between the lines"
2014-06-08 21:52 <smxy> Conspiracy theory.
2014-06-08 21:52 <lkalif> antont: as you said we're down south from your perspective, and we do get like 23:30 - 2:30 dark
2014-06-08 21:52 <antont> *nod*
2014-06-08 21:53 <lkalif> smxy: I know for the fact that they don't get any money from LL
2014-06-08 21:53 <lkalif> I payed for Singularity infractucture from my own pocket until recently
2014-06-08 21:53 <lkalif> probably cost me about $500 USD / year
2014-06-08 21:54 <antont> i'm also down south from the lappish pov, we just went there last weekend .. might go back up again for midsummer, my wife's parents place is there and her brother goes there always too etc .. that place is about 150km north from the artic circle whereas now i'm about 150km south from there
2014-06-08 21:55 <lkalif> they have mosquitos the size of small birds up there :P
2014-06-08 21:55 <antont> lkalif: you mean hosting costs of project things and such?
2014-06-08 21:55 <lkalif> antont: yes
2014-06-08 21:55 <antont> yah it seemed this year there were exceptionally large mosquitos up there, first were coming then a week ago
2014-06-08 21:56 <lkalif> I've only ever been to Helsinki though
2014-06-08 21:56 <antont> was great the few days last week still enjoying warm (even hot :) calm days there, even in the forests and by river etc, without any mosquito trouble .. was so early still, may time
2014-06-08 21:57 <lkalif> funny thing I remember about Helsinki is that thank god, everything is dual-language labeled
2014-06-08 21:57 <antont> ok. well from the lapp perspective again there are little / no mosquitos here in Oulu, and even from a Oulu pov there are no / little in Helsinki. but there are just insane amounts up north .. 
2014-06-08 21:57 <lkalif> and I can read Swedish :)
2014-06-08 21:58 <antont> yep, is in all Finnish cities with was it at least 5% swedish speaking folks
2014-06-08 21:59 <antont> is kind of fun to have all those alternative names, are sometimes different or interestingly similay but different .. helsinki area names etc
2014-06-08 21:59 <antont> i lived on Liisankatu / Elisabethgatan in Hki :)
2014-06-08 21:59 <lkalif> Unfortinuatelly I didn't see much of antýthing
2014-06-08 21:59 <antont> Pasile / Böle :)
2014-06-08 22:00 <antont> Pasila, even
2014-06-08 22:00 <lkalif> I was commuting from Copenhagen to Helsinki about once a week for 3 months
2014-06-08 22:00 <antont> ah i think you mentioned once
2014-06-08 22:00 <antont> (only one export more, then i get the beer)
2014-06-08 22:00 <lkalif> but that's a killer commute, from 5 in the morning till 8 in the evening
2014-06-08 22:01 <antont> oulu-hki commute is a bit similar but not as bad
2014-06-08 22:01 <antont> from 6 to 18 or so
2014-06-08 22:02 <antont> hm or from 5 if you wanna be early enough
2014-06-08 22:02 <lkalif> the flight is not too bad, under 2 hrs
2014-06-08 22:02 <antont> .. on the 6am flight, is 50mins
2014-06-08 22:02 <antont> sometimes i've used the night trains
2014-06-08 22:02 <antont> and went for several days at a time etc
2014-06-08 22:03 <antont> but have also managed to have a 2-3 year period when didn't even need to go to Helsinki once .. only bypassed it when going to some other places like Amsterdam and Berlin, only 1 or 2 trips a year
2014-06-08 22:04 <antont> .. whereas earlier sometimes had to go every week et
2014-06-08 22:04 <antont> c
2014-06-08 22:04 <antont> i liked oscc, no travel :)
2014-06-08 22:04 <lkalif> I learned to hate SAS lol
2014-06-08 22:04 <antont> heh
2014-06-08 22:05 <nebadon_laptop> i was disappointed with SAS too, no internet on flights!!
2014-06-08 22:05 <lkalif> on these scandinavian flights, there is really no difference between business class and economy
2014-06-08 22:05 <lkalif> and business costs 4 times as much
2014-06-08 22:05 <antont> *nod*
2014-06-08 22:06 <lkalif> but I had to get it in order to be able to change return flight time
2014-06-08 22:06 <antont> not that i've ever taken the biz class .. hm no i did once as there was no other option for some connection
2014-06-08 22:06 <antont> i recall no real diff, apart from the fact that was get the ticket at all
2014-06-08 22:06 <lkalif> they have a flifht Helsinki - Copenhagen like every 2 hours, it's nice to be able to jump on the first one once you get to the airport
2014-06-08 22:07 <antont> .. this was on Finnair i believe, or i'm not sure
2014-06-08 22:07 <antont> right
2014-06-08 22:07 <antont> i've often gone via Copenhagen .. last year to San Francisco
2014-06-08 22:07 <lkalif> that's the only thing business class buys you
2014-06-08 22:07 <lkalif> (on these short under 2 hrs intra-scandivavian flights)
2014-06-08 22:07 <antont> and when there was Oulu -> CPH I often went Oulu - CPH -> Amsterdam, when was living in A'dam but visited home often
2014-06-08 22:08 <antont> hm i think sometimes they did that via Stockholm actually
2014-06-08 22:08 <antont> but CPH too at some point
2014-06-08 22:09 <antont> hm i wonder how this works in max actually, it can apparently have non-perpendicular local axes?
2014-06-08 22:10 <antont> "One or more objects in the scene has local axes that are not perpendicular to each other (non-orthogonal). 
2014-06-08 22:10 <antont> The FBX plug-in only supports orthogonal (or perpendicular) axes and will not correctly import or export any transformations that involve non-perpendicular local axes."
2014-06-08 22:10 <lkalif> I only ever tried Blender of 3D programs
2014-06-08 22:11 <nebadon_laptop> you may have modifiers that have not been applied
2014-06-08 22:11 <antont> same here pretty much, installed the free max trial to be able to do these exports .. of our city model blocks, some of those are made with max and some with blender depending on the company
2014-06-08 22:11 <nebadon_laptop> be my guess
2014-06-08 22:12 <antont> nebadon_laptop: wouldn't it then say 'there are modifiers' and not tak about non-perpendicular local axes? :) .. can be a good guess though
2014-06-08 22:12 <nebadon_laptop> no
2014-06-08 22:12 <nebadon_laptop> i have a modeler I work with who uses max too 
2014-06-08 22:12 <nebadon_laptop> and when i was training her on opensim we had similar issues
2014-06-08 22:12 <nebadon_laptop> she uses vray
2014-06-08 22:12 <nebadon_laptop> or something
2014-06-08 22:12 <nebadon_laptop> and you basically have to bake all that stuff into the model before exporting
2014-06-08 22:12 <antont> to render lightmaps or something? vray i mean
2014-06-08 22:12 <nebadon_laptop> its not intuitive at all
2014-06-08 22:13 <nebadon_laptop> ya she was using it on materials i guess
2014-06-08 22:13 <antont> yah i think i know how it is with the modifiers
2014-06-08 22:13 <antont> is same in blender if you use array mods etc, depending on the exporter
2014-06-08 22:13 <nebadon_laptop> right
2014-06-08 22:13 <nebadon_laptop> blender has option to apply modifiers when exporting collada
2014-06-08 22:13 <nebadon_laptop> max doesnt
2014-06-08 22:13 <antont> but yep related to materials i figure that was about baking vray renders to textures
2014-06-08 22:13 <antont> ah
2014-06-08 22:14 <antont> i did some collada exports in case, the company that made these blocks have actually also used collada to go from max to blender when they first thought they needed blender for ogre exports. but they used max ogre export then. but i'm now exporting to fbx for unity use, for mobile ar stuff with that
2014-06-08 22:15 <antont> we may end up needing the collada's to go to gltf if will use that to optimize the stuff
2014-06-08 22:15 <nebadon_laptop> i always like to run things through blender if collada is required
2014-06-08 22:15 <antont> .. have tested gltf with three.js earlier and it has seemed pretty good
2014-06-08 22:15 <nebadon_laptop> blender by far has best collada support
2014-06-08 22:16 <nebadon_laptop> and max calls collada "Autodesk Collada"
2014-06-08 22:16 <nebadon_laptop> which i find odd
2014-06-08 22:16 <antont> nebadon_laptop: interesting to hear, as many think that blender's collada support sucks and there's been repeatedly talk about dropping it from the builds and lack of maintainers etc :p
2014-06-08 22:16 <nebadon_laptop> well since SL picked up collada support
2014-06-08 22:16 <nebadon_laptop> a lot of work went into blender
2014-06-08 22:16 <antont> but i've for game-like assets i've also found the current collada support in blender good
2014-06-08 22:16 <nebadon_laptop> it even has options for SL
2014-06-08 22:17 <nebadon_laptop> built in which now they actually call OpenSim
2014-06-08 22:17 <nebadon_laptop> for rigging stuff
2014-06-08 22:17 <antont> i know i've talked with gaia quite a lot actually as she's been doing that
2014-06-08 22:17 <antont> but it's really not a huge amount of work, just her fixes and improvements exactly with SL in mind
2014-06-08 22:17 <nebadon_laptop> the guys at Avastar I think have been doing alot of maintaining in Blender Collada
2014-06-08 22:18 <antont> hm, i'm not sure, there are also many alternative blender collada exporters
2014-06-08 22:18 <nebadon_laptop> ya im talking about the built in one
2014-06-08 22:18 <antont> some groups who use it in some product etc have written such in py
2014-06-08 22:19 <nebadon_laptop> I love blender now, its really gotten very good
2014-06-08 22:19 <antont> gaia said she does not want to maintain the built-in one anymore and there was again talk about whether it can survive etc just like a month ago, there was no talk of Avastar then .. but actually a guy from that one av / virtual chars company was arguing for it
2014-06-08 22:20 <antont> and offered their stock for the improvement they need :)
2014-06-08 22:20 <antont> mixamo, is the compny
2014-06-08 22:20 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2014-06-08 22:20 <nebadon_laptop> ya I have a mixamo account
2014-06-08 22:20 <antont> .. they'd like to get support for import of multiple skeletons from a single collada file
2014-06-08 22:20 <nebadon_laptop> ah nice
2014-06-08 22:20 <antont> but afaik no one took the job
2014-06-08 22:21 <antont> gaia said she didn't want to work on it just for that stock .. and afaik was a bit tired of the responsibility of that c++ complexity & all sorts of collada issues etc
2014-06-08 22:21 <antont> so there go fix it and get some mixamo stock :)
2014-06-08 22:21 <nebadon_laptop> ya I think it would be pretty bad if they just dropped collada
2014-06-08 22:21 <nebadon_laptop> cause i mean all the formats have issues
2014-06-08 22:21 <lkalif> have you seen that Unity3D announced support for running in a browser with no plugins?
2014-06-08 22:22 <nebadon_laptop> and none of them are much better than others
2014-06-08 22:22 <lkalif> getting some pretty awesome FPS with asm.js
2014-06-08 22:22 <antont> nebadon_laptop: they (Blender Institute folks) argue how collada is dead and everyone (in games) uses FBX and put efforts there currently - there's a new FBX binary exporter jut in
2014-06-08 22:23 <nebadon_laptop> FBX is autodesk? is that an open format?
2014-06-08 22:24 <nebadon_laptop> be sad to abandon open formats for things that are less than open
2014-06-08 22:24 <antont> lkalif: yes, the guy who made tundra and who nowadays works at mozilla (like kripken, the maker of syntensity in the VW lands and emscripten) worked on that partly .. i think both with epic for unreal and the unity company .. fixing bugs on the firefox side etc
2014-06-08 22:25 <antont> nebadon_laptop: yep that was my and the Mixamo guy's point in the discussin - FBX is secret, only public spec is what's reverse engineered by the Blender devs (when the unity company hired one to work on a FBX export to Blender to get blends to unity)
2014-06-08 22:26 <nebadon_laptop> ya and the fbx support in blender is not good
2014-06-08 22:26 <nebadon_laptop> its way worse than collada
2014-06-08 22:27 <nebadon_laptop> i suspect someone is being paid to eliminate collada support
2014-06-08 22:27 <nebadon_laptop> heh
2014-06-08 22:27 <Plugh> thats ok if you are making proprietary games.
2014-06-08 22:27 <nebadon_laptop> sounds very much like a lobbying move
2014-06-08 22:27 <Plugh> yea, I'd look closely at who is making the comment.
2014-06-08 22:28 <antont> nebadon_laptop: if you're curious here's the discussion:
2014-06-08 22:28 <antont> "A couple perhaps interesting posts: 1. Blender's Campbell's views & info about FBX work http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-committers/2014-April/043378.html and 2. Mixamo's defence for Collada referring to improved Autodesk support etc. http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-committers/2014-April/043389.html "
2014-06-08 22:28 <antont> .. i referred to it in https://github.com/KhronosGroup/glTF/issues/231
2014-06-08 22:29 <lkalif> I only ever needed fbx for Unity, but their .blend support is so good I don't bother expoerting from Blender anymore
2014-06-08 22:29 <antont> nebadon_laptop: it's not lobbying but the devs, doing the paid work at the institute, are trying to be practical
2014-06-08 22:29 <antont> lkalif: do you know how their .blend support is implemented?
2014-06-08 22:29 <nebadon_laptop> it sounds like the exact opposite of "practical" to me
2014-06-08 22:29 <lkalif> antont: I have no idea
2014-06-08 22:30 <nebadon_laptop> replace a very complete format with a format that is like maybe 20% complete
2014-06-08 22:30 <nebadon_laptop> how is that practical
2014-06-08 22:30 <antont> lkalif: AFAIK it works so that it runs blender in the background and does the FBX export. that's why unity asked Campbell to write the FBX export to Blender, and why he had to reverse engineer the format :p
2014-06-08 22:30 <lkalif> heh
2014-06-08 22:31 <antont> nebadon_laptop: their thinking is that as everyone is now using FBX now, blender can serve well as a tool if it can export it too
2014-06-08 22:31 <antont> -now
2014-06-08 22:31 <nebadon_laptop> sure by why surplant collada
2014-06-08 22:31 <nebadon_laptop> just have both if thats the case
2014-06-08 22:31 <nebadon_laptop> anyone suggesting removal of collada is a lobbyist in my book
2014-06-08 22:31 <antont> nebadon_laptop: Valve is actually paying this work, in the sense that they have BI money to improve Blender for game modding use, but they didn't say how .. blender folks figured that fbx support would be one useful thing
2014-06-08 22:32 <nebadon_laptop> oh i agree
2014-06-08 22:32 <nebadon_laptop> but if the end result is removal of collada
2014-06-08 22:32 <nebadon_laptop> then I am not buying that as a good reason
2014-06-08 22:32 <antont> nebadon_laptop: sure collada can and probably will stay. but it needs a maintainer. if there's no maintaner and a lot of bugs are reported and if it starts getting out of date etc it's a problem
2014-06-08 22:32 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-06-08 22:33 <nebadon_laptop> it would be nice if the viewers supported more than just collada
2014-06-08 22:33 <nebadon_laptop> SL viewers that is
2014-06-08 22:33 <antont> and there are python-written blender collada exports that are much simpler than the opencollada lib using c++ biz so some think (also at BI, i.e. campbell) that can resort to those .. or even rewrite a nice new one in py from scratch
2014-06-08 22:34 <antont> nebadon_laptop: i don't know, to me LL's way seems pretty nice there
2014-06-08 22:34 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-06-08 22:34 <antont> eat collada, convert it to the optimized llmesh, be happy. usually anyone can get their things as collada, and it's at least open and specified etc
2014-06-08 22:34 <nebadon_laptop> blender right now is the only good free tool for collada
2014-06-08 22:35 <antont> gltf might be interesting for SL / opensim if it is better than llmesh
2014-06-08 22:35 <antont> .. as the collada-as-compressed-for-runtime format
2014-06-08 22:36 <lkalif> antont: it's a bit more complicated than that
2014-06-08 22:36 <antont> afaik collada support in max & maya is decent so i think it serves fine in many places for basics at least
2014-06-08 22:36 <nebadon_laptop> ya but I for one dont have 5000$ to drop on those apps
2014-06-08 22:36 <nebadon_laptop> and then upgrades every year
2014-06-08 22:37 <antont> i tested Autodesk's fbx <-> collada converter that the Mixamo guy mentioned
2014-06-08 22:37 <nebadon_laptop> though I like that autodesk offers monthly subscriptions now
2014-06-08 22:37 <lkalif> antont: llmesh is scaled to unity cube, so in itself is not enough to describe object. you need prim + llmesh asset for a full description
2014-06-08 22:37 <nebadon_laptop> you can buy their stuff on a month to month basis now
2014-06-08 22:37 <antont> nebadon_laptop: yep i just meant that besides blender, also autodesk tools have good collada support. so for many things collada serves us great now
2014-06-08 22:37 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2014-06-08 22:37 <nebadon_laptop> and its open
2014-06-08 22:37 <nebadon_laptop> i dont see how there is even an argument
2014-06-08 22:37 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-06-08 22:38 <nebadon_laptop> worrying when opensource people start defending the use of closed source things over open
2014-06-08 22:38 <lkalif> just fork it(tm) :P
2014-06-08 22:39 <antont> lkalif: is similar to gltf actually, where there's a json for the scene (kind of the prim part, e.g. instanciation of meshes as scene nodes, the pos & size etc) and then the binary file where the geom data is (as gl buffers, in gltf, for easy quick loading to gpu)
2014-06-08 22:39 <lkalif> antont: llmesh is scaled down to unity mesh for precission resions, as vertex coords are 16bit
2014-06-08 22:40 <lkalif> it works pretty well for a streaming mesh format
2014-06-08 22:40 <antont> nebadon_laptop: i don't mind that there is closed source software, but having to rely on a *secret* (no public *spec*) format is unfortunate. expecially as the Mixamo guy told that they change the file format every year, in incompatible ways etc
2014-06-08 22:40 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2014-06-08 22:41 <nebadon_laptop> it seems crazy that someone would consider that practical
2014-06-08 22:41 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-06-08 22:41 <nebadon_laptop> its like their argument is that collada support is too much work
2014-06-08 22:41 <antont> lkalif: right .. with gltf the idea is that the binary with the vert buffers etc. can be compressd with geom compression methods, any can be used as an extensions .. might be even possible to define the llmesh one as one
2014-06-08 22:41 <nebadon_laptop> but the reality is getting 100% FBX compatibility is nearly impossible task
2014-06-08 22:42 <antont> they don't aim 100% fbx compat
2014-06-08 22:42 <antont> but enough so that basics work for it to be useful
2014-06-08 22:42 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-06-08 22:42 <nebadon_laptop> I am all for better FBX support for sure
2014-06-08 22:43 <nebadon_laptop> hopefully someone decides its worth it to support collada
2014-06-08 22:43 <antont> there's a version now, from 2 days ago or so that the guys asked folks to test
2014-06-08 22:43 <nebadon_laptop> i suspect someone will
2014-06-08 22:43 <antont> mixamo at least already did :)
2014-06-08 22:43 <antont> for us it depends .. with three.js we now often just use the three json formats
2014-06-08 22:43 <nebadon_laptop> maybe because mixamo is somewhat invested in SL now
2014-06-08 22:43 <nebadon_laptop> loss off collada could be bad for that business decission
2014-06-08 22:44 <antont> but gltf has worked well in the tests and is much more optimized. and gltf is created always from collada (with collada2gltf which is basically the thing the gltf initiate provides)
2014-06-08 22:45 <Aleric> Anyone got an idea on how I could get a sim-unique UUID - that will never change (not even when you move or rename a sim?)
2014-06-08 22:45 <Aleric> from LSL that is
2014-06-08 22:45 <antont> iirc the mixamo guy just said that blender already is important to them and the working solution for their *import* side is to use blender's collada import. which does skel anim stuff fine. i think the new fbx thing is export only
2014-06-08 22:46 <nebadon_laptop> if Mixamo can really simplify mesh avatars in SL I am going to probably pay for that service
2014-06-08 22:46 <nebadon_laptop> rigging in general pretty much sucks
2014-06-08 22:47 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: ever tried avastar?
2014-06-08 22:47 <nebadon_laptop> the though of rigging 100 mesh avatars to me seems very painful
2014-06-08 22:47 <lkalif> heh
2014-06-08 22:47 <nebadon_laptop> i have one of their old scripts for for blender
2014-06-08 22:47 <nebadon_laptop> with the template
2014-06-08 22:47 <nebadon_laptop> to copy weights and bones etc..
2014-06-08 22:47 <nebadon_laptop> i rigged Big Buck bunny with that
2014-06-08 22:47 <nebadon_laptop> and it came out ok, but it was far from perfect
2014-06-08 22:48 <antont> cool
2014-06-08 22:48 <nebadon_laptop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJVxN30LthM&hd=1
2014-06-08 22:49 <antont> wicked video too :)
2014-06-08 22:50 <antont> i wonder whether the guys who made bbb saw that :p
2014-06-08 22:51 <nebadon_laptop> hehe probably not
2014-06-08 23:47 <NickyP> Interesting prob i['m having. As you know SL viewer will shortly be without client baking making it not opensim usable even with the grids.xml hack. Kokua has been merged with the newest code and the client baking but back in play, I normally test opensim on osgrid and 3RG as that has provided and cutting edge and legacy test environment. So, my result is
2014-06-08 23:47 <NickyP> that the reestablished client baking Kokua works on SL, osgrid, and 3RG. My delight was short lived because the viewer has a memory crash on avination, inworldz, kitely, and several others that are on the grid manager list. My question is what is different between most other grids and osgrid and 3RG?
2014-06-08 23:51 <lkalif> osgrid, depending on where you go has some of the latest code
2014-06-08 23:52 <lkalif> avination and others are on the older code, takes a while until it propagates from master
2014-06-08 23:52 <NickyP> been to several of the sandboxes and plazas
2014-06-08 23:52 <lkalif> those typically run cutting edge opensim code
2014-06-08 23:53 <NickyP> 3RG is 076 plus local fixes
2014-06-08 23:54 <NickyP> danbanner do you have the name of and old code sim on osgrid?
2014-06-08 23:55 <danbanner> hey NickyP
2014-06-08 23:55 <danbanner> not offhand i dont
2014-06-08 23:55 <NickyP> kk
2014-06-08 23:55 <danbanner> you might try random regions some of the residents run 
2014-06-08 23:56 <danbanner> everything i have is current 
2014-06-08 23:56 <Dev_Random> NickyP: try Belfast Central  0.7.5
2014-06-08 23:57 <NickyP> I was at the club earlier
2014-06-08 23:57 <NickyP> but didn't check version
2014-06-08 23:57 <NickyP> ty
2014-06-08 23:57 <Dev_Random> oldest one I know of...
2014-06-09 00:04 <AliciaRaven> NickyP, u had time to look at the map problem?
2014-06-09 00:06 <NickyP> cinder has agreed to look at it as FS has a similar issue. 
2014-06-09 00:09 <AliciaRaven> cool, they have a worse one aswell, the main map has an annoying bug with var but kokua is ok there
2014-06-09 00:16 <lilly909> I have an "ambiguous call" (CS0121) message when compiling a script. I'm having trouble telling what exactly is triggering it, but I have it narrowed down to one function in my code.
2014-06-09 00:18 <AliciaRaven> lilly909, sounds like you have 2 methods or variables with the same name and the code cant tell which one
2014-06-09 00:20 <lilly909> I'm checking that. In the meantime, the script is a straight copy from one I wrote in SL. I would have thought that both parsers would catch the same errors
2014-06-09 00:20 <NickyP> In region Belfast Central at (9973, 9993) 
2014-06-09 00:20 <NickyP> OpenSim 0.7.5 Dev          OSgrid 0.7.5 (Dev) 36bfd36: 2012-10-23  no probelm
2014-06-09 00:20 <Plugh> lilly909: You might have a variable name that has the same name as a function or you might be using a function in an assignment statement without the () so it looks as if it is a variable reference.
2014-06-09 00:21 <Plugh> lilly909: No, a lot of scripts written for SL can have issues when used in OpenSim.
2014-06-09 00:21 <lilly909> I'm noticing
2014-06-09 00:22 <lilly909> does that go the other way, as well? meaning... should I test out major project in OS prior to bringing them into SL, etc
2014-06-09 00:22 <Plugh> I think OS is more strict about some things but it can also miss the odd thing.
2014-06-09 00:23 <Plugh> I haven't seen the problem in reverse. If a script is working in OS it works in SL. 
2014-06-09 00:23 <Plugh> That's been my experience.
2014-06-09 00:23 <Plugh> Mostly I pulled some of my stuff over from SL or have written things from scratch.
2014-06-09 00:24 <lilly909> I have a... LOT... of stuff I've written since 2006 in SL ;)
2014-06-09 00:28 <dahlia> physics is a lot different between sl and os 
2014-06-09 00:28 <dahlia> so scripts that use physics will be different or not work
2014-06-09 00:28 <nebadon_laptop> that has gotten better with Bulletsim vehciles
2014-06-09 00:28 <nebadon_laptop> but its still not 1:1 nor will it likely every have complete parity
2014-06-09 00:28 <dahlia> I didnt mean vehicles
2014-06-09 00:29 <nebadon_laptop> every=ever*
2014-06-09 00:29 <nebadon_laptop> yea weapons might not behave the same
2014-06-09 00:29 <nebadon_laptop> AllenKerensky can probably tell you more about that
2014-06-09 00:30 <lilly909> well, this code is as clean as I can get it. it says it's having a problem telling between float.operator == (float, float) and double.operator == (double, double)
2014-06-09 00:30 <lilly909> it's having an issue with ==
2014-06-09 00:30 <nebadon_laptop> hmm
2014-06-09 00:30 <dahlia> should never use == on floats or doubles anyway
2014-06-09 00:31 <lilly909> I was thinking that it was perhaps because I'm assigning float values to elements in a vector, but I've got another function that does that as well and there's no issue there.
2014-06-09 00:31 <lilly909> this particular one, if I comment out the body, the script compiles and operates
2014-06-09 00:31 <lilly909> uh, what
2014-06-09 00:31 <lkalif> do you have code like 0.0
2014-06-09 00:32 <lkalif> if you do, try just 0
2014-06-09 00:32 <lilly909> I'm using 0
2014-06-09 00:32 <lilly909> hsv_color.y = 0; << example
2014-06-09 00:32 <AliciaRaven> without the decimal part it may treat it as an integer, try with the full 0.0
2014-06-09 00:33 <lilly909> could be "max == rgb_color.x" or the like, but max and min were pulled from these very variables
2014-06-09 00:33 <lkalif> AliciaRaven: the sccript compiler is getting confused between double and float
2014-06-09 00:34 <Dev_Random> The SL version of LSL doesn't support double, does it?
2014-06-09 00:34 <dahlia> dont think wo
2014-06-09 00:34 <dahlia> *so
2014-06-09 00:34 <lilly909> ... are the vector elements defined as double in OS?
2014-06-09 00:34 <dahlia> vectors use floats
2014-06-09 00:34 <lilly909> these are my definitions:     float max;
2014-06-09 00:34 <lilly909>     float min;
2014-06-09 00:34 <lilly909>     vector hsv_color
2014-06-09 00:35 <dahlia> oh wait LSL vectors might not be libomv vectors
2014-06-09 00:35 <dahlia> dont remember
2014-06-09 00:35 <lkalif> Vector3 in libomv is floats too
2014-06-09 00:36 <lilly909> the line number given for the error is horrifically wront too, but that's separate ;)
2014-06-09 00:36 <Dev_Random> if there is no "double" option, it could implicitly cast to float with no problem... but if there's a choice between double/float, it's ambiguous to say "0".
2014-06-09 00:37 <Dev_Random> would be my guess
2014-06-09 00:37 <lilly909> I've changed them to 0. to be more explicit
2014-06-09 00:37 <nebadon_laptop> there has been recent work to improve line #s
2014-06-09 00:37 <nebadon_laptop> Aleric was doing that
2014-06-09 00:37 <AliciaRaven> also i noticed in global variables, sl is fine with  .1 but opensim wont compile unless u put 0.1
2014-06-09 00:38 <lilly909> I'll have to bring that up another time
2014-06-09 00:38 <lilly909> everything declared as float is local. I've got 3 global vectors, that's it
2014-06-09 00:38 <dahlia> I thought Plugh was doing something with line numbers also
2014-06-09 00:38 <nebadon_laptop> ah he may be
2014-06-09 00:39 <LiruCookies> I remember Aleric saying he fixed that
2014-06-09 00:39 <AliciaRaven> ah my last comment must have been fixed it works now
2014-06-09 00:39 <LiruCookies> The line number thing
2014-06-09 00:39 <lilly909> I wish I could paste the error message. Is there a way to capture it?
2014-06-09 00:39 <dahlia> screenshot?
2014-06-09 00:40 <LiruCookies> If you're on Replex, you could ctrl-c, I think... if it has my latest patch for that.
2014-06-09 00:40 <zadark_afk> Line fix available, as yet not in core.
2014-06-09 00:40 <nebadon_laptop> mantis#?
2014-06-09 00:40 <lilly909> doh. screenshot coming momentarily
2014-06-09 00:41 <lkalif> LiruCookies: it has all the latest from you and shyotl, except one shyotl commit reverted
2014-06-09 00:41 <lilly909> I'm on FS 64 Linux (opensim 0.8 rc2)
2014-06-09 00:41 <lkalif> causes insta-crash on nvidia
2014-06-09 00:41 <LiruCookies> Does it have that push from Shy the other night?
2014-06-09 00:41 <lkalif> yes
2014-06-09 00:41 <dahlia> is that the crash I had?
2014-06-09 00:41 <lkalif> LiruCookies: reverted one is ee60a9801b99ddedd520f6867f599c866d60bec7
2014-06-09 00:42 <lkalif> dahlia: yes
2014-06-09 00:42 <lkalif> LiruCookies: I tried to IM him, but he's not been online in a while it seems
2014-06-09 00:42 <LiruCookies> Yeah, his connection is shoddy
2014-06-09 00:43 <lkalif> LiruCookies: if you manage to get in contact, pass him this gist https://gist.githubusercontent.com/lkalif/8e55ed8d8e953810aa18/raw/be25b7a0761be8a73a52779e2ae0a449ba097fbb/ALM_crash.txt
2014-06-09 00:43 <LiruCookies> He knows about that, I think.
2014-06-09 00:43 <LiruCookies> That one looks familiar
2014-06-09 00:44 <LiruCookies> My portable test just finished building, now to see if it'll actually work
2014-06-09 00:45 <lilly909> here's the error: http://s20.postimg.org/wk8qpyib1/error_CS0121.png
2014-06-09 00:50 <nebadon_laptop> mono error
2014-06-09 00:50 <lilly909> crap
2014-06-09 00:51 <lilly909> how would I mantis this for a workaround in OS?
2014-06-09 00:51 <Dev_Random> Have you tried an explicit cast to float?  (float)(0.0)
2014-06-09 00:51 <nebadon_laptop> I do recall mono not liking certain things that SL scripting can do
2014-06-09 00:52 <lilly909> no, I'll try that right now
2014-06-09 00:52 <nebadon_laptop> Melanie_ may know what this is
2014-06-09 00:53 <lilly909> nope, didn't do it. I cast every constant to float in both assignments and the equality tests.
2014-06-09 00:54 <Melanie_> not with that image i won't
2014-06-09 00:54 <Melanie_> it's meaningless
2014-06-09 00:54 <zadark_afk> nebadon_laptop: See 6764.
2014-06-09 00:54 <Melanie_> please don't post images/sceenshots unless the problem is with graphics
2014-06-09 00:54 <lkalif> lol
2014-06-09 00:54 <Melanie_> use pastebin to pate error messages and scripts
2014-06-09 00:54 <lkalif> or Melanie_ will whip you :P
2014-06-09 00:55 <lilly909> can't get the error message.. how do I capture it? that was the reason for the image
2014-06-09 00:55 <Melanie_> what i need to see is the SCRIPT that caused it
2014-06-09 00:55 <Melanie_> nt the message - the salient parts of the message you coud have copied by hand
2014-06-09 00:55 <nebadon_laptop> ah Melanie_ he couldnt because it wouldnt let him copy and paste
2014-06-09 00:55 <Melanie_> about 40 chats or so
2014-06-09 00:55 <nebadon_laptop> so we suggested he take a screenshot
2014-06-09 00:56 <Melanie_> chars*
2014-06-09 00:56 <lilly909> can do pastebin for the script.
2014-06-09 00:56 <Melanie_> k
2014-06-09 00:57 <lilly909> http://pastebin.com/B645EJnv
2014-06-09 00:58 <lilly909> if I comment out the body of the RGB2HSV function, the scritp compiles. currently there are quite a few edits - rgb_color used to be rgb, hsv_color used to be hsv, and not all numeric values were cast to floats.
2014-06-09 00:59 <Plugh> Direct comparison of floats can be a problem.
2014-06-09 01:00 <Melanie_> try cmmenting it out in bloxk
2014-06-09 01:00 <Melanie_> nothing obvious jumps out at me
2014-06-09 01:00 <lilly909> I did that before I came to IRC, haha
2014-06-09 01:00 <Melanie_> so you should have a line that causes it
2014-06-09 01:00 <lilly909> I hoped so.
2014-06-09 01:00 <Melanie_> a single line, or the forst of several
2014-06-09 01:01 <AliciaRaven> line 41
2014-06-09 01:01 <lilly909> by the end I had the whole thing commented out and returning an empty vector
2014-06-09 01:01 <AliciaRaven> color.x = color.y = color.z = v;
2014-06-09 01:01 <Plugh> yeah, that could be it.
2014-06-09 01:01 <lilly909> the other function, Alicia
2014-06-09 01:01 <AliciaRaven> compiler expects one line per set
2014-06-09 01:01 <lkalif> there is no == operator there
2014-06-09 01:01 <AliciaRaven> yes but it compiles after changing that line for me
2014-06-09 01:02 <AliciaRaven> but im running latest code
2014-06-09 01:02 <lilly909> not for me
2014-06-09 01:02 <Plugh> lilly909: what version of OS are you using?
2014-06-09 01:02 <lilly909> 0.8rc2
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2014-06-09 01:03 <lilly909> I read through mantis first but saw nothing that seemed to be related
2014-06-09 01:03 <Melanie_> i believe you have hit upon a rare combination of things
2014-06-09 01:03 <Melanie_> i tried on my sims but it compiles there
2014-06-09 01:03 <Melanie_> i don't have a single sim with xengine running
2014-06-09 01:04 <Melanie_> so that poses a bt of a problem for me to test thsi
2014-06-09 01:04 <lilly909> possible xengine issue?
2014-06-09 01:04 <Melanie_> definitely
2014-06-09 01:04 <Melanie_> the preprocessor probabaly produces gibberish
2014-06-09 01:04 <AliciaRaven> i tried on linux now and i get the same error
2014-06-09 01:05 <lilly909> which engine should I give it a try with?
2014-06-09 01:05 <nebadon_laptop> opensim only has one
2014-06-09 01:05 <smxy> There's only the one.
2014-06-09 01:05 <nebadon_laptop> Avination has its own proprietary engine
2014-06-09 01:05 <Melanie_> ther are no in-core alternatives
2014-06-09 01:05 <lilly909> ah, ok.
2014-06-09 01:05 <Melanie_> is your sim on osg?
2014-06-09 01:05 <lkalif> Melanie_ keeps the buggy one in opensource version
2014-06-09 01:05 <lkalif> she has a better version for herself ;)
2014-06-09 01:06 <lilly909> nope, standalone. Was playing with setting up a monster varregion
2014-06-09 01:06 <Melanie_> aahhh
2014-06-09 01:06 <Melanie_> do you have any in osg?
2014-06-09 01:06 <lilly909> No, not since os.. 0.6 something, I think, maybe 0.7.1 or so. Been a long time.
2014-06-09 01:06 <Melanie_> or else, nebadon_laptop, can you point me to one in osg running that version or close where i can rez?
2014-06-09 01:07 <lkalif> lilly909: you really don't want varregions bigger than 1024 or 2048 max on the side. viewers are not well optimized for any bigger
2014-06-09 01:07 <nebadon_laptop> sure use Sisyphus
2014-06-09 01:07 <lilly909> I'm trying 2048
2014-06-09 01:07 <lilly909> which is a monster to me
2014-06-09 01:07 <lkalif> yeah, it's going to be monster on viewer memory usage too :)
2014-06-09 01:07 <lkalif> but it should work
2014-06-09 01:08 <lilly909> yep. I tried running 9 of these today, and no, that was not worth my time XD
2014-06-09 01:08 <nebadon_laptop> thats about the max i would do
2014-06-09 01:08 <nebadon_laptop> I thinks physics breaks around 2048
2014-06-09 01:08 <nebadon_laptop> with terrain
2014-06-09 01:08 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: you run a whole grid of 768s?
2014-06-09 01:08 <lkalif> or 512?
2014-06-09 01:08 <lilly909> I haven't tried larger. I was worried about memory usage.
2014-06-09 01:09 <nebadon_laptop> yes all 768s
2014-06-09 01:09 <nebadon_laptop> in the past we were using 9 region simulators
2014-06-09 01:09 <lilly909> aside form this and a bug in Singularity, 2048 seems to be working really well, and a bug in 0.7.6 about FS not saving spec maps (whereas singularity would) seems resolved
2014-06-09 01:09 <nebadon_laptop> so 768x768 was natural change
2014-06-09 01:09 <nebadon_laptop> and it works well
2014-06-09 01:10 <lilly909> I'm actually really pleased with the state of varregions, myself. But I'm futzing around ;)
2014-06-09 01:11 <smxy> Tell that to Jim.
2014-06-09 01:11 <smxy> God, what a troll.
2014-06-09 01:12 <AliciaRaven> that guy needed a slap lol
2014-06-09 01:12 <lilly909> lol.. sounds like i missed a fun one.
2014-06-09 01:13 <lkalif> lol
2014-06-09 01:13 <smxy> I tried to be nice to him, but he totally lost me at the end, when he essentially said he couldn't be bothered to create an account in Mantis to be able to report issues.
2014-06-09 01:14 <smxy> And Word *did* smack him, lol.
2014-06-09 01:15 <lilly909> i used to do support for a living and we used mantis. not wanting to make an account is just lazy. I'm hoping Melanie_ finds something solid that I *can* report
2014-06-09 01:17 <lilly909> .. or at least a workaround.
2014-06-09 01:18 <Melanie_> on sisyphus ib osg
2014-06-09 01:18 <Melanie_>     if( s == 0 ) {
2014-06-09 01:18 <Melanie_>         color.x = color.y = color.z = v;
2014-06-09 01:18 <Melanie_>         return color;
2014-06-09 01:18 <Melanie_>     }
2014-06-09 01:18 <Melanie_> change to
2014-06-09 01:18 <Melanie_>     if( s == 0 ) {
2014-06-09 01:18 <Melanie_>         color.x = ;
2014-06-09 01:18 <Melanie_>         color.y = v;
2014-06-09 01:18 <Melanie_>         color.z = v;
2014-06-09 01:18 <Melanie_>         return color;
2014-06-09 01:18 <Melanie_>     }
2014-06-09 01:18 <Melanie_> and it compiles
2014-06-09 01:19 <nebadon_laptop> Alicia was right
2014-06-09 01:19 <AliciaRaven> that was the line i said but then i changed to linux and got different errors
2014-06-09 01:19 <lilly909> hmm. I've got that code here
2014-06-09 01:19 <Melanie_> is sisyphus windows or linux?
2014-06-09 01:19 <lilly909>     if( s == 0 ) {
2014-06-09 01:19 <lilly909>         color.x = v;
2014-06-09 01:19 <lilly909>         color.y = v;
2014-06-09 01:19 <lilly909>         color.z = v;
2014-06-09 01:19 <lilly909>         return color;
2014-06-09 01:19 <lilly909>     }
2014-06-09 01:19 <nebadon_laptop> Linux
2014-06-09 01:19 <Melanie_> point made
2014-06-09 01:19 <nebadon_laptop> mono 3.2.8
2014-06-09 01:20 <lkalif> you want Windows?
2014-06-09 01:20 <lilly909> ohh... I'm on 4.0
2014-06-09 01:20 <nebadon_laptop> mono 4?
2014-06-09 01:20 <lilly909> yup
2014-06-09 01:20 <nebadon_laptop> there is a mono 4 now?
2014-06-09 01:20 <lilly909> that's what's listed in the error
2014-06-09 01:20 <nebadon_laptop> oh no thats .net 4
2014-06-09 01:20 <Plugh> It would be quicker and easier to say -> return <v, v, v>;
2014-06-09 01:20 <nebadon_laptop> type mono -V
2014-06-09 01:20 <nebadon_laptop> or are you on windows?
2014-06-09 01:21 <lkalif> Perun is windows
2014-06-09 01:21 <AliciaRaven> my point was that it did fixed it on windows but not on ubuntu for me
2014-06-09 01:21 <nebadon_laptop> I assumed linux
2014-06-09 01:21 <lilly909> I'm on ubuntu 12.04
2014-06-09 01:21 <nebadon_laptop> ok I thought so
2014-06-09 01:21 <lilly909> installed mono-complete
2014-06-09 01:21 <nebadon_laptop> then type mono -V
2014-06-09 01:21 <lkalif> that's 2.10
2014-06-09 01:21 <lilly909> yeah.
2014-06-09 01:21 <lilly909> so... what's the 4.0 in the error
2014-06-09 01:21 <nebadon_laptop> .net 4
2014-06-09 01:21 <lilly909> ah
2014-06-09 01:22 <lilly909> /usr/lib/mono/4.0/mscorlib.dll is where I got that. Still, different mono version
2014-06-09 01:22 <lilly909> -V did give 2.10
2014-06-09 01:22 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-06-09 01:22 <nebadon_laptop> thats good enough its a bit older than what I have
2014-06-09 01:23 <nebadon_laptop> so its possible there could be differing results
2014-06-09 01:23 <nebadon_laptop> i should upgrade to 3.4.x
2014-06-09 01:23 <lilly909> could be. I wonder if the canonical bothered making 3.x packages
2014-06-09 01:23 <nebadon_laptop> I compile it myself
2014-06-09 01:23 <lkalif> 14.04 ships with 3.2
2014-06-09 01:24 <lilly909> upgrading the os tends to wreck a lot of stuff I've found
2014-06-09 01:24 <Melanie_> are you self-compiled or binary dist?
2014-06-09 01:24 <lilly909> binary
2014-06-09 01:25 <Melanie_> k, so that excludes a lot of factors
2014-06-09 01:25 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44
2014-06-09 01:25 <Melanie_> obviously, to help i would need a 2.10 xengine 0.8 sim
2014-06-09 01:25 <nebadon_laptop> I dont have anything running mono 2.x anymore
2014-06-09 01:26 <smxy> is 3.4.0 the latest?
2014-06-09 01:26 <AliciaRaven> Melanie_ i made the same change u did and still isnt compiling for me
2014-06-09 01:26 <nebadon_laptop> ya release
2014-06-09 01:26 <AliciaRaven> lilly909 does it work for u?
2014-06-09 01:26 <nebadon_laptop> git is 3.4.1
2014-06-09 01:26 <lilly909> nope, not at all
2014-06-09 01:26 <smxy> 3.4 is high on my todo list.
2014-06-09 01:26 <nebadon_laptop> AliciaRaven what mono?
2014-06-09 01:26 <Melanie_> AliciaRaven: i worked it on neb's sim and it worked there
2014-06-09 01:26 <lilly909> I do wonder if it's the combination of newer OS and older mono
2014-06-09 01:26 <AliciaRaven> 2.10.8  im goinf to try on 3.? now
2014-06-09 01:26 <Melanie_> i really don't have 2.10/0.8/xengine set up
2014-06-09 01:26 <nebadon_laptop> i doubt os is a factor
2014-06-09 01:27 <nebadon_laptop> other than what mono is in the repo
2014-06-09 01:27 <nebadon_laptop> thanks AlicaRaven
2014-06-09 01:27 <lilly909> true, I didn't try this script in 0.7.6
2014-06-09 01:27 <nebadon_laptop> very helpful
2014-06-09 01:27 <lilly909> very much
2014-06-09 01:27 <AliciaRaven> yes, it is mono, wont compile on 2.10.8 but on my 3+ sims it will
2014-06-09 01:27 <smxy> 3.4 compile procedure is the same as the last few, neb?
2014-06-09 01:28 <lilly909> perfect, thanks all
2014-06-09 01:28 <smxy> I wonder how often OS is blamed for Mono stuff ...
2014-06-09 01:28 <AliciaRaven> dam, this is a kick for me to upgrade the last of my mono 2.10.8 sims
2014-06-09 01:29 <Plugh> lilly909: did you see my other suggestion for that line with mulitple assignments?
2014-06-09 01:29 <lilly909> hard to say, lol. but I i magine a bit.
2014-06-09 01:29 <lilly909> Yes, and I tried it
2014-06-09 01:29 <Plugh> k
2014-06-09 01:30 <lilly909> I might try the return <v,v,v>; to avoid going into the mono upgrade just now.. if it works
2014-06-09 01:31 <nebadon_laptop> lilly909 did you see my instructions for upgrading mono?
2014-06-09 01:31 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44
2014-06-09 01:31 <lilly909> ... which didn't work.
2014-06-09 01:31 <nebadon_laptop> this install mono in to userspace
2014-06-09 01:31 <lilly909> Yup I did, bookmarked 'em
2014-06-09 01:31 <nebadon_laptop> wont effect the repo version
2014-06-09 01:31 <nebadon_laptop> ok great
2014-06-09 01:31 <smxy> I've followed his instructions many a time to success, even using an operating system he despises and can't do it on himself. :)
2014-06-09 01:32 <lilly909> debating whether to do it now while I'm thinking about it or later.
2014-06-09 01:32 <smxy> So you should be good. :)
2014-06-09 01:32 <lilly909> haha
2014-06-09 01:32 <smxy> (CentOS)
2014-06-09 01:32 <lilly909> still a 'nix..
2014-06-09 01:33 <nebadon_laptop> ya im just not overly fond of enterprise linux
2014-06-09 01:34 <lilly909> hey, when did they change that mono monkey logo?
2014-06-09 01:34 <nebadon_laptop> its always been that I think
2014-06-09 01:34 <AliciaRaven> code monkey lol
2014-06-09 01:34 <lilly909> ah. I was a slacker for a long time, then decided I'd had my fill of sys admin. If the package manager checked dependencies, I'd be back on it.
2014-06-09 01:35 <lilly909> it was different when they started, before de icaza left (or was kicked out of, etc., I unno) the gnome project
2014-06-09 01:39 <osmantis> Bug #6764:04 Mono debug line numbers are completely off 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6764 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-09 01:40 <Dev_Random> lilly909:   conceptual hack/workaround suggestion for you:  change your comparisons to "if(max - rgb_color.z == 0.0)" 
2014-06-09 01:40 <Dev_Random> until you can upgrade mono
2014-06-09 01:40 <lilly909> cool, dev. I'm actually running thru the step to compile now
2014-06-09 01:41 <Plugh> Dev_Random: That is still not going to work reliably. You need to subtract and check the abs value is < some error amount.
2014-06-09 01:42 <Dev_Random> I know... but I was addressing the compilation.. not the sytle
2014-06-09 01:42 <Dev_Random> style, even
2014-06-09 01:42 <Plugh> ok
2014-06-09 01:42 <lilly909> That is correct normally, but I had thought that the accuracy should not have suffered if I did somthing like this:
2014-06-09 01:42 <lilly909> float var1 = var2; if(var1 == var2);
2014-06-09 01:42 <Dev_Random> if it's an assigned value, it's typically not an issue.. if it's computed, it can be...
2014-06-09 01:43 <Dev_Random> (assigned from anotherr variable)
2014-06-09 01:43 <Plugh> lilly909: That should be safe unless the compiler does something odd.
2014-06-09 01:43 <lilly909> mhm. I wasn't prepared for it to bork that... but then, who is? lol
2014-06-09 01:47 <Dev_Random> so vectors use doubles in OpenSim?
2014-06-09 01:48 <Dev_Random> I didn't even know there WERE doubles in LSL.
2014-06-09 01:48 <lkalif> no
2014-06-09 01:48 <lilly909> seems to be an issue with older mono, and that the vectors are using floats all the way through
2014-06-09 01:49 <Melanie_> there are not supposed to be doubles
2014-06-09 01:49 <Melanie_> but the compiler sometimes decides to promote float expressions to double results
2014-06-09 01:49 <Dev_Random> got it.
2014-06-09 01:49 <Melanie_> unless every single value is cast/postfixed
2014-06-09 01:50 <Melanie_> or if the operation allows to exceed type widths intrinsically
2014-06-09 01:50 <Melanie_> like multiplication by a variable
2014-06-09 01:52 <Dev_Random> interesting that the line that was failing was comparing a declared float to a vector component, and deciding one was a double... but only in the older mono
2014-06-09 01:52 <lilly909> if I'd done vector color = <(float) 0., (float)0., (float)0.>;, or something equal to it, you suppose I might not have had the same issue?
2014-06-09 01:52 <Melanie_> no
2014-06-09 01:52 <Melanie_> vector components are floats
2014-06-09 01:52 <Melanie_> casting makes no differentce
2014-06-09 01:52 <Melanie_> v.* is always a float
2014-06-09 01:52 <lilly909> tgat's what I'd assumed
2014-06-09 01:52 <lilly909> that*
2014-06-09 01:53 <Melanie_> you can't assign a double to a vector component
2014-06-09 01:53 <Melanie_> it will be reduced to a float
2014-06-09 01:56 <lilly909> hopefully this will finish before everyone goes to bed so I can say that it's solved.
2014-06-09 01:57 <nebadon_laptop> im upgrading mono myself
2014-06-09 01:57 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-06-09 01:57 <smxy> I will be, as soon as I get back from feeding the cats. :)
2014-06-09 01:58 <lilly909> glad to be of servce, lol
2014-06-09 01:58 <smxy> nebadon_laptop: You doing 3.4.0 or .1?
2014-06-09 01:58 <nebadon_laptop> 3.4.1 from github
2014-06-09 01:58 <nebadon_laptop> basically their master git
2014-06-09 01:58 <nebadon_laptop> i like to live dangerously
2014-06-09 01:58 <smxy> lol
2014-06-09 01:58 <nebadon_laptop> this is my personal regions on OSgrid
2014-06-09 01:58 <smxy> I'll try .0 :)
2014-06-09 01:59 <lilly909> I'm trying .0. I'm too scared.
2014-06-09 01:59 <smxy> hehe
2014-06-09 02:00 <AliciaRaven> im going to upgrade my last 2.10.8 aswell, mono upgrade party tonight lol
2014-06-09 02:00 <smxy> It'll take me a bit. Have to build it, then update 15 servers with it, the build OS with it, then updte the 15 servers with that ...
2014-06-09 02:00 <AliciaRaven> well i will do tomorow, too tired now
2014-06-09 02:01 <smxy> Okay, cat time.
2014-06-09 02:01 <lilly909> I'm not gonna have to rebuild OS.. right?
2014-06-09 02:01 <smxy> I would.
2014-06-09 02:01 <smxy> Build and run with the same version.
2014-06-09 02:01 <lilly909> I'm on the binary.
2014-06-09 02:02 <nebadon_laptop> then no
2014-06-09 02:02 <lilly909> k.
2014-06-09 02:03 <lilly909> I tried long ago but failed so utterly that I gave up and got drunk.
2014-06-09 02:03 <Plugh> ?? CentOS 6.5 doesn't have mono available.
2014-06-09 02:04 <Melanie_> redhat/centos doesn't have mono anymoe
2014-06-09 02:04 <nebadon_laptop> not surprised
2014-06-09 02:04 <Melanie_> it was dropped for it's license details
2014-06-09 02:04 <nebadon_laptop> too microsofty
2014-06-09 02:04 <Plugh> hehe
2014-06-09 02:04 <Plugh> I'm looking at running Robust from a CentOS box. Should I stick with 2.1x or go to 3.x
2014-06-09 02:06 <nebadon_laptop> i would use 3.2.8+
2014-06-09 02:06 <nebadon_laptop> 3.4.0 works well for me
2014-06-09 02:06 <nebadon_laptop> has much better GC and Threading
2014-06-09 02:06 <lilly909> GC?
2014-06-09 02:07 <nebadon_laptop> garbage collection
2014-06-09 02:08 <lilly909> ah
2014-06-09 02:08 <AliciaRaven> any better with warp3d?
2014-06-09 02:11 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: ok, I'll grab the mono sources code and build it.
2014-06-09 02:11 <nebadon_laptop> no but master git should have resolved the warp3d leaks
2014-06-09 02:11 <nebadon_laptop> opensim master git that is
2014-06-09 02:11 <smxy> Plugh, I've been using 3.2.8 on CentOS 6.5 for a while and it's solid.
2014-06-09 02:11 <nebadon_laptop> i actually figured that out a while back
2014-06-09 02:11 <Plugh> smxy: ty
2014-06-09 02:11 <nebadon_laptop> well me and a few others
2014-06-09 02:11 <smxy> About to build 3.4.0
2014-06-09 02:12 <AliciaRaven> i updated aweek ago and still have issues with warp, i think its warp, will need to test after i upgrade all the mono
2014-06-09 02:12 <smxy> I wonder if I'll run into the issue I did last time. I forget exactly what it was, but it was something a guy in Brazil hasd the fix for. Danbanner hd the issue too.
2014-06-09 02:12 <Plugh> I was running Robust on a windows box but I'm dealing with getting some newer/better servers in place to run the grid. One of the windows boxes will merge with a Linux one on to a new Linux machine
2014-06-09 02:13 <lilly909> nnooOOOOOO /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `targets/Microsoft.Portable.Common.targets': No such file or directory
2014-06-09 02:14 <Plugh> smxy: Got the URL handy for the repo per chance?
2014-06-09 02:14 <nebadon_laptop> when did that happen lilly909?
2014-06-09 02:14 <Plugh> what the? 3.4 is latest then if you select older sources it only has 2.x and earlier. No 3.2
2014-06-09 02:15 <lilly909> with the install command
2014-06-09 02:15 <nebadon_laptop> install command?
2014-06-09 02:15 <nebadon_laptop> make install?
2014-06-09 02:15 <lilly909> yep
2014-06-09 02:15 <smxy> Plugh, I follow neb's instructions
2014-06-09 02:15 <Plugh> Oh, neb...  :)
2014-06-09 02:15 <smxy> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44
2014-06-09 02:15 <Plugh> ty
2014-06-09 02:16 <smxy> I had a bit of a time getting the dependencies right, the first time, but after tht it's been a breeze.
2014-06-09 02:16 <Plugh> that's for 3.4
2014-06-09 02:16 <nebadon_laptop> lilly909 maybe google the error
2014-06-09 02:16 <smxy> you want 3.4.1, ask him :)
2014-06-09 02:16 <Plugh> ok, 3.4 it is
2014-06-09 02:17 <nebadon_laptop> you made sure all the pre-reqs were installed?
2014-06-09 02:17 <nebadon_laptop> i have never done 3.4.0 on ubuntu
2014-06-09 02:18 <lilly909> yes
2014-06-09 02:18 <lilly909> found the issue
2014-06-09 02:18 <nebadon_laptop> infact so far ive only done it on opensuse
2014-06-09 02:18 <lilly909> https://bugzilla.xamarin.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18690
2014-06-09 02:18 <nebadon_laptop> ah cool what was it?
2014-06-09 02:18 <lilly909> broken tarball
2014-06-09 02:18 <nebadon_laptop> ah ya crap
2014-06-09 02:18 <nebadon_laptop> ok let me give you previous release
2014-06-09 02:18 <nebadon_laptop> 1 sec
2014-06-09 02:18 <lilly909> kk
2014-06-09 02:19 <nebadon_laptop> http://download.mono-project.com/sources/mono/mono-3.2.8.tar.bz2
2014-06-09 02:19 <nebadon_laptop> just use this URL and change everything in the directions from 3.4.0 to 3.2.8
2014-06-09 02:19 <nebadon_laptop> otherwise directions are identical
2014-06-09 02:19 <lilly909> kk.
2014-06-09 02:19 <lilly909> I'll start a clean build
2014-06-09 02:19 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2014-06-09 02:19 <smxy> um, but I want to build 3.4.0 ...
2014-06-09 02:20 <nebadon_laptop> wierd I dont think I had any trouble
2014-06-09 02:20 <nebadon_laptop> maybe its just certain platforms
2014-06-09 02:20 <lilly909> last comment is marked today as still broken
2014-06-09 02:20 <nebadon_laptop> well i know master git isnt broken
2014-06-09 02:20 <Plugh> No vcs'ed version of mono??
2014-06-09 02:20 <nebadon_laptop> for mono
2014-06-09 02:20 <nebadon_laptop> because ive installed it on anoter box quite recently
2014-06-09 02:20 <nebadon_laptop> and no problem
2014-06-09 02:21 <nebadon_laptop> must just be the tarball release
2014-06-09 02:21 <smxy> okay, so how do we build git then?
2014-06-09 02:21 <Plugh> some projects make it hard to find their sources.
2014-06-09 02:21 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-06-09 02:21 <nebadon_laptop> if you want fixed 3.4.0
2014-06-09 02:21 <nebadon_laptop> use this
2014-06-09 02:21 <nebadon_laptop> git clone https://github.com/mono/mono.git
2014-06-09 02:21 <nebadon_laptop> oh crap no
2014-06-09 02:21 <nebadon_laptop> https://github.com/mono/mono/archive/mono-3.4.0-branch.zip
2014-06-09 02:21 <nebadon_laptop> sorry that was copy paste error
2014-06-09 02:21 <lilly909> lol
2014-06-09 02:22 <lilly909> I'll try that insteal
2014-06-09 02:22 <lilly909> d
2014-06-09 02:23 <nebadon_laptop> im going to update my instructions with that URL for now
2014-06-09 02:23 <lilly909> oh nice
2014-06-09 02:24 <lilly909> say when, I'll just refresh XD
2014-06-09 02:24 <Plugh> wow. 3.4 is 10M larger zip than 3.2.8
2014-06-09 02:24 <lilly909> must be tha new garbage truck XD
2014-06-09 02:25 <lkalif> they got a lot of stuff microsoft opensourced in
2014-06-09 02:25 <lkalif> it's going to get even bigger as microsoft releases more and more of their sutff open
2014-06-09 02:25 <Plugh> unzip blew up with filename too long. 
2014-06-09 02:25 <Plugh> grrr
2014-06-09 02:26 <nebadon_laptop> that is odd
2014-06-09 02:26 <lilly909> going off the new URL now nebadon
2014-06-09 02:26 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: get .tar.gz link
2014-06-09 02:26 <Plugh> same problem.
2014-06-09 02:26 <nebadon_laptop> they have a tar.gz
2014-06-09 02:26 <nebadon_laptop> let me try
2014-06-09 02:26 <smxy> bah, the libtool issue danbanner and I ran into last time, still is a problem.
2014-06-09 02:27 <nebadon_laptop> ah sweet they do
2014-06-09 02:27 <nebadon_laptop> use this
2014-06-09 02:27 <nebadon_laptop> https://github.com/mono/mono/archive/mono-3.4.0-branch.tar.gz
2014-06-09 02:28 <Plugh> they are about half the size of .zip
2014-06-09 02:28 <nebadon_laptop> ok instructions updated for the branch tarball
2014-06-09 02:28 <nebadon_laptop> wierd they wouldnt post a new tar.gz
2014-06-09 02:28 <lilly909> you're fast.
2014-06-09 02:29 <nebadon_laptop> well I just hope it helps
2014-06-09 02:30 <nebadon_laptop> oh wow
2014-06-09 02:30 <nebadon_laptop> master git is 3.6.1 now
2014-06-09 02:30 <nebadon_laptop> they are moving so fast
2014-06-09 02:31 <Plugh> This should be fun. Building mono on a virgin machine. Lots of dependencies to install I bet.
2014-06-09 02:31 <lilly909> maybe 4.0 won't be all that far off haha
2014-06-09 02:31 <nebadon_laptop> everything you need is in my instructions Plugh
2014-06-09 02:31 <smxy> but not the libtool issue, that he will run into
2014-06-09 02:31 <nebadon_laptop> what issue is that?
2014-06-09 02:32 <smxy> I have my shell history to remind me of what to do, but one step is to edit some files and I'm trying to recall what I did. :)
2014-06-09 02:32 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-06-09 02:32 <smxy> had to run autoregen
2014-06-09 02:32 <smxy> danbanner had it too. issue when building libgdiplus
2014-06-09 02:32 <smxy> autoreconf*
2014-06-09 02:33 <nebadon_laptop> thats in addition to the --without-libgif issue?
2014-06-09 02:34 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: Your dependency list doesn't mention needing glib.  :)
2014-06-09 02:34 <Plugh> no biggie, I keep installing stuff as it needs them.
2014-06-09 02:34 <nebadon_laptop> ok what is packagename and what os?
2014-06-09 02:34 <nebadon_laptop> i'll add it
2014-06-09 02:35 <nebadon_laptop> opensuse probably comes with it already
2014-06-09 02:35 <lilly909> lol.. instructions say .bz2, not .tar.gz
2014-06-09 02:35 <Plugh> hm... says the package was already installed
2014-06-09 02:35 <nebadon_laptop> oops
2014-06-09 02:35 <nebadon_laptop> fixing
2014-06-09 02:36 <nebadon_laptop> maybe thats the problem smxy is talking about
2014-06-09 02:36 <smxy> plugh, when you get to the failure building libgdiplus, this tells you how to fix it: http://blog.vandersonguidi.com.br/programacao-2/dotnet/instalando-a-ultima-versao-do-mono-3-2-x-no-centos
2014-06-09 02:36 <nebadon_laptop> lilly909 fixed, thanks
2014-06-09 02:36 <lilly909> odd. the .tar.gz extracts to "mono-mono-3.4.0-branch"
2014-06-09 02:36 <nebadon_laptop> huh let me try
2014-06-09 02:36 <nebadon_laptop> its probably because the project name is mono
2014-06-09 02:37 <nebadon_laptop> and the branch is mono
2014-06-09 02:37 <nebadon_laptop> its project-branch-version
2014-06-09 02:37 <nebadon_laptop> let me fix that too then
2014-06-09 02:37 <lilly909> I renamed to mono-3.4.0-branch
2014-06-09 02:38 <Plugh> libgdiplus wants glib-2.0 >=2.2.3 and I have 2.26
2014-06-09 02:38 <nebadon_laptop> ya thats fine lilly909
2014-06-09 02:38 <smxy> plugh, what version of CentOS?
2014-06-09 02:38 <lilly909> building now, running make
2014-06-09 02:38 <nebadon_laptop> heh and now you know why i hate cenos
2014-06-09 02:38 <Plugh> 6.5 installed a couple days ago
2014-06-09 02:38 <nebadon_laptop> centos*
2014-06-09 02:38 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-06-09 02:39 <nebadon_laptop> the only reason i dont like it is because mono i difficult
2014-06-09 02:39 <nebadon_laptop> otherwise its a great OS
2014-06-09 02:39 <smxy> I'll tell you what I have, if my build of it succeeds. :)
2014-06-09 02:39 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: libgdi is being difficult
2014-06-09 02:39 <nebadon_laptop> mono 3.6.1 seems peachy so far
2014-06-09 02:40 <nebadon_laptop> you probably could use an older libgdiplus
2014-06-09 02:40 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: I only went with centos as I'm already looking after another machine for someone that runs CentOS.
2014-06-09 02:40 <nebadon_laptop> i dont think there has been any change to it that would effect opensim really hard to say
2014-06-09 02:40 <smxy> I'm building it now, Plugh. Be patient a moment
2014-06-09 02:40 <Plugh> and now the cat is calling for me again.
2014-06-09 02:41 <nebadon_laptop> hehe kk
2014-06-09 02:41 <Plugh> oh, well. I may have to leave this until tomorrow.
2014-06-09 02:41 <Plugh> smxy: you are building libgdiplus?
2014-06-09 02:41 <smxy> See me then. I'm building on 6.5 too
2014-06-09 02:41 <smxy> and it's building
2014-06-09 02:41 <lilly909> yeah, I'm on my last try for the night. 530am comes up might quick and it's wuarter to 10 where I am now.
2014-06-09 02:41 <Plugh> bbl
2014-06-09 02:41 <smxy> we can compare rpms :)
2014-06-09 02:42 <Plugh> smxy: You are building an rpm package? I could do that. Haven't done it in a while.
2014-06-09 02:42 <smxy> no
2014-06-09 02:42 <Plugh> cat is getting insistent. bbl
2014-06-09 02:42 <smxy> we can compare rpm versions of the prereqs
2014-06-09 02:42 <smxy> because I just successfully built it on 6.5
2014-06-09 02:52 <smxy> nebadon_laptop: your untar options need a z for .gz
2014-06-09 02:53 <lkalif> you can just tar xvf
2014-06-09 02:53 <lilly909> ugh.
2014-06-09 02:53 <nebadon_laptop> oh
2014-06-09 02:53 <smxy> you always used to have to specify z for gzip
2014-06-09 02:53 <lilly909> mkdir -p -- ../class/lib/basic/
2014-06-09 02:53 <lilly909> make[7]: *** No rule to make target `../..
2014-06-09 02:53 <nebadon_laptop> are you sure
2014-06-09 02:53 <lkalif> not anymore for extraction
2014-06-09 02:53 <nebadon_laptop> i always do just xfv
2014-06-09 02:53 <lilly909> y `../class/lib/basic/basic.exe'.  Stop.
2014-06-09 02:53 <smxy> okay, they changed it then.
2014-06-09 02:54 <lkalif> still needed for compression
2014-06-09 02:54 <lilly909> I always use to do zxpvf
2014-06-09 02:54 <nebadon_laptop> yes for compression 
2014-06-09 02:54 <nebadon_laptop> but not for decompression
2014-06-09 02:54 <smxy> you used to need it. I missed the meo on not needing it. :)
2014-06-09 02:54 <smxy> memo*
2014-06-09 02:54 <lilly909> it used to be a requirement years ago but it was removed.. maybe... I dunno, 2002 or so?
2014-06-09 02:54 <smxy> ok
2014-06-09 02:55 <lilly909> now it's a non-op
2014-06-09 02:55 <smxy> Like I said ... missed the memo. :)
2014-06-09 02:55 <lilly909> I did too, I think it made it to my desk in about 2006 ;P
2014-06-09 02:55 <smxy> hehe
2014-06-09 02:55 <lilly909> but I got a compile fail on 3.4.0-branch
2014-06-09 02:55 <smxy> It's still building for me.
2014-06-09 02:56 <nebadon_laptop> what is error this time?
2014-06-09 02:57 <lilly909> mkdir -p -- ../class/lib/basic/
2014-06-09 02:57 <lilly909> make[7]: *** No rule to make target `../../external/ikvm/reflect/*.cs', needed by `../class/lib/basic/basic.exe'.  Stop.
2014-06-09 02:57 <lkalif> sounds like incomplete source
2014-06-09 02:58 <lkalif> why not download the official source?
2014-06-09 02:58 <lilly909> also missing a file
2014-06-09 02:58 <nebadon_laptop> it was the official source
2014-06-09 02:58 <nebadon_laptop> from github
2014-06-09 02:58 <lilly909> https://bugzilla.xamarin.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18690
2014-06-09 02:59 <nebadon_laptop> ya but its supposed to be fixed in the zip
2014-06-09 02:59 <nebadon_laptop> Michael Hutchinson 2014-05-09 18:48:00 EDT
2014-06-09 02:59 <nebadon_laptop> FYI this has been cherry picked to the 3.4 branch so the next tarball from that
2014-06-09 02:59 <nebadon_laptop> branch should include it.
2014-06-09 02:59 <smxy> still building, for me ...
2014-06-09 02:59 <smxy> so far
2014-06-09 03:00 <lilly909> I suppose I'll do 3.2.8 instead.. not much time left tonight
2014-06-09 03:00 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-06-09 03:00 <nebadon_laptop> should run just as good honestly
2014-06-09 03:00 <lkalif> http://download.mono-project.com/sources/mono/mono-3.2.8.tar.bz2
2014-06-09 03:00 <smxy> failed for me
2014-06-09 03:00 <nebadon_laptop> thats what I am upgrading from
2014-06-09 03:01 <nebadon_laptop> your options are 3.2.8 or 3.6.1 from git master
2014-06-09 03:01 <nebadon_laptop> which seems to work fine for me
2014-06-09 03:01 <smxy> make[6]: gmcs: Command not found
2014-06-09 03:01 <smxy> make[6]: *** [build/deps/basic-profile-check.exe] Error 127
2014-06-09 03:01 <smxy> *** The compiler 'gmcs' doesn't appear to be usable.
2014-06-09 03:01 <smxy> *** You need Mono version 2.4 or better installed to build MCS
2014-06-09 03:01 <smxy> *** Check mono README for information on how to bootstrap a Mono installation.
2014-06-09 03:01 <smxy> make[5]: *** [do-profile-check] Error 1
2014-06-09 03:01 <nebadon_laptop> do you have the mono repo version installed?
2014-06-09 03:01 <lkalif> ubuntu 14.04 comes with 3.2.8, works fine
2014-06-09 03:02 <nebadon_laptop> centos is such a pain in the balls
2014-06-09 03:02 <lkalif> so go with 3.2.8
2014-06-09 03:02 <smxy> I'm betting my 3.2.8 isn't in root's path :)
2014-06-09 03:02 <nebadon_laptop> probably not
2014-06-09 03:02 <nebadon_laptop> that would be why your failing smxy
2014-06-09 03:02 <nebadon_laptop> its stupid
2014-06-09 03:02 <nebadon_laptop> you need mono to compile mono
2014-06-09 03:02 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-06-09 03:02 <smxy> yes
2014-06-09 03:02 <nebadon_laptop> there is mono-lite trickery you can try
2014-06-09 03:02 <smxy> so, if I want to build git, what do I do different?
2014-06-09 03:03 <nebadon_laptop> try this
2014-06-09 03:03 <nebadon_laptop> make get-monolite-latest
2014-06-09 03:03 <nebadon_laptop> then make install
2014-06-09 03:03 <smxy> oh, I was just going to put my 3.2.8 in my path
2014-06-09 03:04 <smxy> but I thought if I'm going to rebuild, I might do 3.6.1
2014-06-09 03:04 <nebadon_laptop> oh ok
2014-06-09 03:04 <nebadon_laptop> then you just need to do git clone https://github.com/mono/mono.git
2014-06-09 03:04 <smxy> instead of the wget and untar
2014-06-09 03:04 <nebadon_laptop> right
2014-06-09 03:04 <smxy> othewise the same?
2014-06-09 03:04 <nebadon_laptop> yep
2014-06-09 03:04 <smxy> ok
2014-06-09 03:06 <smxy> Might as well go for broke. :P
2014-06-09 03:06 <nebadon_laptop> i should probably put my directions back to 3.2.8 for now
2014-06-09 03:06 <nebadon_laptop> since everyone is having trouble with it
2014-06-09 03:06 <smxy> until they fix their tarball, perhaps you should.
2014-06-09 03:07 <lilly909> tarball's been broke for 2 months. not sure they WILL fix it..
2014-06-09 03:08 <smxy> Then his instructions my leap to the next version that DOES build, when it's out.
2014-06-09 03:08 <smxy> may* leap
2014-06-09 03:08 <nebadon_laptop> ok fixed
2014-06-09 03:08 <nebadon_laptop> back to 3.2.8
2014-06-09 03:08 <lilly909> mo-mono-3.2.8
2014-06-09 03:09 <lilly909> oh wait that's right
2014-06-09 03:09 <smxy> nebadon_laptop you tell them to get a tar.bz2 but to untat a tar.gz :)
2014-06-09 03:09 <nebadon_laptop> ah nice catch, fixed
2014-06-09 03:09 <nebadon_laptop> ah crap i forgot to revert that stuff
2014-06-09 03:09 <nebadon_laptop> 1 sec
2014-06-09 03:09 <smxy> hehe
2014-06-09 03:09 <nebadon_laptop> also fixed
2014-06-09 03:10 <smxy> :)
2014-06-09 03:10 <lilly909> oddly - the mono-mono-3.2.8 is right.
2014-06-09 03:10 <lilly909> that's how it extracts
2014-06-09 03:10 <nebadon_laptop> it shouldnt from this file
2014-06-09 03:10 <lilly909> did!
2014-06-09 03:10 <nebadon_laptop> this is not from github
2014-06-09 03:10 <nebadon_laptop> its from the mono website
2014-06-09 03:10 <nebadon_laptop> really thats bizzare
2014-06-09 03:10 <lilly909> oh wow another different... grr.. lol
2014-06-09 03:11 <lilly909> the last one from git did.
2014-06-09 03:11 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2014-06-09 03:11 <nebadon_laptop> git one should
2014-06-09 03:11 <nebadon_laptop> this is the official release zip
2014-06-09 03:12 <nebadon_laptop> they should not
2014-06-09 03:12 <lilly909> so I grabbed 3.2.8 from there just before you change the instructions. got ahead of it, my bad
2014-06-09 03:12 <nebadon_laptop> oh ok thats fine
2014-06-09 03:12 <nebadon_laptop> should be ok
2014-06-09 03:12 <lilly909> 75% downloaded
2014-06-09 03:13 <lilly909> and extracting. All good.
2014-06-09 03:14 <smxy> okay, got my mono in my path and building again ...
2014-06-09 03:15 <smxy> whoops. I ran the autogen with 3.4.0 numbers. screech.
2014-06-09 03:15 <smxy> time to get a cup of coffee, then do this right. :)
2014-06-09 03:15 <lkalif> with the official tarball you can run ./configure directly I guess
2014-06-09 03:17 <lilly909> building. la la la.
2014-06-09 03:27 <lilly909> made is past basic.exe
2014-06-09 03:27 <smxy> good
2014-06-09 03:28 <smxy> And now I'm building - with the right numbers this time.
2014-06-09 03:28 <smxy> And with mono in my path :)
2014-06-09 03:28 <lilly909> that helps, doesn't it... lol
2014-06-09 03:29 <smxy> :)
2014-06-09 03:30 <smxy> If I really wanted to be thorough, I'd rebuild 3.6.1 with 3.6.1 after building it with 3.2.8
2014-06-09 03:30 <lilly909> haha that's a bit extra
2014-06-09 03:31 <lilly909> I suppose I could rebuild 3.2.8 with 3.2.8, but I won't. I'm too tired.
2014-06-09 03:33 <smxy> Oh, I'm not going to. I was being ... pedantic? I think that's the word. :)
2014-06-09 03:34 <lilly909> lol, that's the word ;) there are some scripting and blender groups in SL that's I've left because I'm too much of a hippy for them.
2014-06-09 03:35 <lilly909> oo running make install
2014-06-09 03:35 <smxy> nice
2014-06-09 03:36 <lilly909> done!
2014-06-09 03:36 <smxy> finish the instructions :)
2014-06-09 03:36 <lilly909> haha step ahead
2014-06-09 03:37 <smxy> We're waiting to hear if your script compiles now. :)
2014-06-09 03:39 <lilly909> fantastic, in a new term, mono --V gives 3.2.8
2014-06-09 03:40 <smxy> :)
2014-06-09 03:40 <lilly909> OUCH
2014-06-09 03:40 <lilly909> OS does not start
2014-06-09 03:40 <smxy> oh, add two things to the command line
2014-06-09 03:40 <smxy> --server
2014-06-09 03:40 <smxy> and
2014-06-09 03:41 <lilly909> Exception: System.TypeInitializationException: An exception was thrown by the type initializer for System.Drawing.GDIPlus ---> System.DllNotFoundException: /opt/mono-3.2.8/lib/libgdiplus.so
2014-06-09 03:41 <smxy> oh
2014-06-09 03:41 <smxy> you haven't set up LD_LIBRARY_PATH right
2014-06-09 03:42 <lilly909> nope.
2014-06-09 03:42 <lilly909> vi .bashrc
2014-06-09 03:42 <smxy> this is my setup line
2014-06-09 03:42 <lilly909> oops lol
2014-06-09 03:42 <smxy> export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/opt/mono/lib/pkgconfig:$PKG_CONFIG_PATH LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/mono/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU=2048 MONO_GC_PARAMS=nursery-size=64m
2014-06-09 03:42 <smxy> then add --server to the mono call
2014-06-09 03:42 <lilly909> what does --server do
2014-06-09 03:42 <smxy> makes it run in server mode.
2014-06-09 03:43 <smxy> :)
2014-06-09 03:43 <lilly909> ...
2014-06-09 03:43 <lilly909> lol
2014-06-09 03:44 <lilly909> hmm.
2014-06-09 03:45 <lilly909> i have the correct LD_LIBRARY_PATH and PKG_CONFIG_PATH
2014-06-09 03:45 <lilly909> /usr/lib/libgdiplus.so << that's where it really is
2014-06-09 03:45 <smxy> not if you followed his instructions
2014-06-09 03:46 <lilly909> oh, that was locate. I forgot to do updatedb
2014-06-09 03:47 <lilly909> AHHHHH
2014-06-09 03:47 <lilly909> it got put in 3.4.0
2014-06-09 03:47 <lilly909> apparently I didn't clean it well enough.
2014-06-09 03:47 <lilly909> from the first try.
2014-06-09 03:47 <smxy> you didn't rerun the build of it with the right numbers. same mistake I made, then I redid it.
2014-06-09 03:48 <lilly909> just the libgdi part.
2014-06-09 03:49 <smxy> geez, this takes forever to build
2014-06-09 03:50 <lilly909> argh.
2014-06-09 03:50 <lilly909> I can't redo this tonight.
2014-06-09 03:50 <lkalif> just copy .so
2014-06-09 03:50 <lkalif> it will work
2014-06-09 03:50 <lilly909> you're right, I'm getting loopy
2014-06-09 03:50 <smxy> yeah, just take what's under 3.4.0 and put it in the same relative place under 3.2.8
2014-06-09 03:51 <lkalif> libgdi*.so to 3.2.8/lib
2014-06-09 03:53 <smxy> 3.6.1 successfully built on CentOS 6.5 :)
2014-06-09 03:54 <lilly909> os started
2014-06-09 03:54 <LiruCookies> When did OSGrid get so bare?
2014-06-09 03:54 <LiruCookies> lbsa is empty..
2014-06-09 03:56 <lilly909> script compiled, is working.. thx all
2014-06-09 03:56 <nebadon_laptop> it is midnight on a sunday
2014-06-09 03:56 <smxy> Yay! Congrats. :)
2014-06-09 03:56 <nebadon_laptop> cool lilly909
2014-06-09 03:57 <lilly909> only issue now it why it doesn't put the cursor where it's supposed to, but that's gonna be a script difference between OS and SL I think
2014-06-09 03:57 <LiruCookies> nebadon_laptop: Oh, so it is.
2014-06-09 03:57 <lilly909> thanks all, I have to go to bed
2014-06-09 03:58 <smxy> night :)
2014-06-09 03:58 <lilly909> nite
2014-06-09 04:19 <smxy> That 3.6.1 still running okay, nebadon_laptop?
2014-06-09 04:20 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-06-09 04:20 <nebadon_laptop> i didnt do much
2014-06-09 04:20 <nebadon_laptop> and since I acutally installed it
2014-06-09 04:20 <nebadon_laptop> i just realized the OSCC grid ran out of hard drive
2014-06-09 04:20 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-06-09 04:20 <smxy> I've never been brave enough to run their git, before. ;)
2014-06-09 04:20 <smxy> heh
2014-06-09 04:20 <nebadon_laptop> looks like when I switched over from mysql to mariadb i forgot to set the expire time for binary logs
2014-06-09 04:20 <nebadon_laptop> ate up 280gb of hd
2014-06-09 04:20 <smxy> whoops
2014-06-09 04:20 <nebadon_laptop> bringing grid back up now
2014-06-09 04:20 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-06-09 04:21 <smxy> I'm running a yum update on everything, then deploying the new mono, the rebuilding OS and updating. I'll be at it for a bit. 15 servers takes a while.
2014-06-09 04:22 <nebadon_laptop> heh ya I bet
2014-06-09 04:22 <smxy> I might check out Puppet and see if I can't automate some of this admin work.
2014-06-09 04:22 <smxy> But not tonight.
2014-06-09 04:25 <nebadon_laptop> OSCC grid is back up
2014-06-09 04:26 <smxy> :)
2014-06-09 05:25 <Plugh> 
ACTION is building mono 3.4.0

2014-06-09 05:27 <smxy> I'm almost ready to update my grid with 3.6.1
2014-06-09 05:28 <smxy> Plugh, if you run into issues, see me tomorrow, as it'll be too late for me to help you tonight. Got to work in the morning. But I got it all to build on a fully updated 6.5.
2014-06-09 05:30 <Plugh> *** The compiler 'gmcs' doesn't appear to be usable.
2014-06-09 05:30 <Plugh> *** You need Mono version 2.4 or better installed to build MCS
2014-06-09 05:30 <smxy> You have what version of mono now?
2014-06-09 05:30 <Plugh> of course it doesn't exist. It is (or will be?) built as part of the process.
2014-06-09 05:30 <Plugh> None.
2014-06-09 05:30 <Plugh> Trying to build mono 3.4.0
2014-06-09 05:30 <smxy> You need mono to build mono.
2014-06-09 05:30 <Plugh> But I can't build mono because I can't install mono
2014-06-09 05:31 <smxy> neb mentioned something to try. let me find it
2014-06-09 05:31 <Plugh> no package available.
2014-06-09 05:31 <smxy> yes, you have to bootstrap it
2014-06-09 05:31 <Plugh> I didn't have that problem when building 2.10
2014-06-09 05:32 <smxy> [23:03] <nebadon_laptop> make get-monolite-latest
2014-06-09 05:32 <smxy> [23:03] <nebadon_laptop> then make install
2014-06-09 05:32 <smxy> that was his suggestion. I haven't had to bootstrap it since my first build a few years ago, as I use each to build the next, now
2014-06-09 05:33 <dahlia> I vaguely remember building it on centos a few years ago and I didnt need to bootstrap
2014-06-09 05:34 <smxy> I think I used a mono from the yum repo to do it.
2014-06-09 05:34 <smxy> but it's been a long time
2014-06-09 05:34 <dahlia> I havent used centos for ages and lost my notes
2014-06-09 05:35 <smxy> But, one way or the other, you need a mono to build mono.
2014-06-09 05:37 <Plugh> still didn't work.
2014-06-09 05:43 <Plugh> after get latest and install had to rerun autogen. Now it tells me my monolite may be out of date.
2014-06-09 05:43 <smxy> plugh, if you add the epel repo, they have mono 2.4.3
2014-06-09 05:43 <smxy> you could likely use that to build your 3.4.0
2014-06-09 05:44 <Plugh> yea, easier than messing about with building it myself. They really changed the build process for 3.x
2014-06-09 05:44 <dahlia> "apt-get install mono-complete" works for me :)
2014-06-09 05:44 <smxy> I would install that, then build 3.4.0
2014-06-09 05:45 <Plugh> dahlia: works for me too on my own machine but my machine is not using CentOS.
2014-06-09 05:45 <smxy>  Once you have it built, future builds are trivial.
2014-06-09 05:46 <dahlia> #centos ppl might know
2014-06-09 05:47 <smxy> okay, ignore my advice. I've only been building on this for years and I just built it on 6.5. *shrug*
2014-06-09 05:47 <dahlia> wasn't trying to interfere :)
2014-06-09 05:47 <smxy> meh. I'm tired and cranky too :)
2014-06-09 05:49 <dahlia> 
ACTION mutters something about "young whippersnapper" and goes back to h4x0r1ng...

2014-06-09 05:52 <smxy> :)
2014-06-09 05:57 <Plugh> I just downloaded and built 2.10.9
2014-06-09 06:01 <Plugh> smxy: I'm feeling a bit the same way.
2014-06-09 06:01 <smxy> :)
2014-06-09 06:01 <Plugh> now why did it break?
2014-06-09 06:02 <Plugh> Trying 3.4 again and telling it where to find the 2.10.9 bin dir to find mcs stuff
2014-06-09 06:03 <smxy> set up the LD_LIBRARY_PATH to, at least
2014-06-09 06:08 <Plugh> yeah. I just finished updating the search path for libraries.
2014-06-09 06:08 <Plugh> added a file to /etc/ld.so.conf.d
2014-06-09 06:09 <dahlia> found my ancient mono on centos notes http://pastebin.com/NT5pZSqm
2014-06-09 06:10 <dahlia> guess that didnt have a bootstrap
2014-06-09 06:11 <Plugh> no rule to make target all-profiles
2014-06-09 06:11 <Plugh> bah
2014-06-09 06:16 <Plugh> I give up. I'll just use 2.10.9
2014-06-09 06:19 <Plugh> They really messed up the build process in 3.4
2014-06-09 06:23 <smxy> Plugh, then why am I able to build it just fine? Hmm?
2014-06-09 06:23 <Plugh> No idea.
2014-06-09 06:23 <Plugh> you have different files installed.
2014-06-09 06:24 <Plugh> How do I fix the error -> no rule to make target all-profiles
2014-06-09 06:24 <Plugh> ?
2014-06-09 06:24 <Plugh> That isn't a missing library or package unlike the other errors.
2014-06-09 06:24 <smxy> Off the top of my head, I couldn't say, and I'm concentrating on getting my grid up and going to bed.
2014-06-09 06:24 <dahlia> dont use "make all-profiles"
2014-06-09 06:26 <Plugh> I didn't
2014-06-09 06:26 <Plugh> I'm just going to bed.
2014-06-09 06:26 <Plugh> I have 2.10 I can use.
2014-06-09 06:27 <dahlia> google "build mono no rule to make target all-profiles
2014-06-09 06:34 <smxy> If he had taken my advice, he'd have a working 3.4.0 now. He didn't value it or my experience, so I won't offer it again.
2014-06-09 14:29 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: Why did your mono build instructions say to use --without-libgif when building libgdiplus?
2014-06-09 14:30 <nebadon_laptop> becasue of some new operating systems have too new of libgif
2014-06-09 14:30 <nebadon_laptop> and libgdiplus fails
2014-06-09 14:31 <Plugh> Fails in use or during build?
2014-06-09 14:31 <nebadon_laptop> during build
2014-06-09 14:31 <Plugh> ok
2014-06-09 14:36 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: In your page of build instructions, you have "exit" after "make install" for mono. I think that should be "cd ..".
2014-06-09 14:36 <nebadon_laptop> let me look
2014-06-09 14:37 <nebadon_laptop> ya I supposed you could do either there
2014-06-09 14:37 <nebadon_laptop> oh no
2014-06-09 14:37 <nebadon_laptop> its because you are SU
2014-06-09 14:37 <nebadon_laptop> you have to exit
2014-06-09 14:38 <Plugh> oh, ok.
2014-06-09 14:38 <nebadon_laptop> notice the red warning on next line Plugh
2014-06-09 14:38 <Plugh> Right.
2014-06-09 14:38 <Plugh> When I do builds I would do the build as an ordinary user and only su for make install.
2014-06-09 14:39 <nebadon_laptop> ah ya
2014-06-09 14:39 <nebadon_laptop> i generally do the entire first part as SU
2014-06-09 14:39 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-06-09 14:40 <smxy> Technically, doing it as Plugh suggests is safer.
2014-06-09 14:40 <nebadon_laptop> ehh ya i suppose marginally
2014-06-09 14:40 <nebadon_laptop> I think the most unsafe part is the install
2014-06-09 14:40 <nebadon_laptop> the compile itself should be harmless
2014-06-09 14:41 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-06-09 14:41 <nebadon_laptop> the only reason we install as root
2014-06-09 14:41 <nebadon_laptop> is so end users cant modify mono executable
2014-06-09 14:41 <nebadon_laptop> to do evil things
2014-06-09 14:41 <smxy> Um, if they can become root, hey can anyway. :)
2014-06-09 14:41 <smxy> they*
2014-06-09 14:41 <nebadon_laptop> right but thats not always the case
2014-06-09 14:41 <nebadon_laptop> the thing is you can very easily install other things in userspace
2014-06-09 14:42 <nebadon_laptop> that could modify mono executable
2014-06-09 14:42 <nebadon_laptop> having root own it prevents this
2014-06-09 14:42 <nebadon_laptop> such as viruses or spyware etc..
2014-06-09 14:42 <nebadon_laptop> you tend to work solo
2014-06-09 14:42 <nebadon_laptop> for myself i have multiple people sharing same account using screen
2014-06-09 14:42 <nebadon_laptop> none of who usually have root acess, some do
2014-06-09 14:42 <nebadon_laptop> but it keeps a nice firewall
2014-06-09 14:43 <smxy> yes
2014-06-09 14:43 <nebadon_laptop> if no one else has access and you are comfortable there is no reason not to do it all in userspace
2014-06-09 14:43 <smxy> Though having a shared account is bad, as there's less accountability.
2014-06-09 14:44 <smxy> But I get why you do it.
2014-06-09 14:44 <smxy> Security and ease of use are always a trade off.
2014-06-09 14:44 <nebadon_laptop> unfortunately I dont really know of any way around it
2014-06-09 14:46 <Plugh> Give each user an account and have them su(?) to a common user account to access screen. That gives you some ability to see who was logged in around the time something blows up.
2014-06-09 14:46 <smxy> yup
2014-06-09 14:46 <nebadon_laptop> i dont want these people having su
2014-06-09 14:46 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-06-09 14:46 <nebadon_laptop> if you have su there is no accountability
2014-06-09 14:46 <Plugh> You can limit what they can do as su.
2014-06-09 14:46 <nebadon_laptop> you can modify logs as you please
2014-06-09 14:46 <nebadon_laptop> well ya true, overall its not that important
2014-06-09 14:46 <smxy> su doesn't mean superuser, it means switchuser
2014-06-09 14:46 <Plugh> IIRC, there is a way to limit it to specific commands.
2014-06-09 14:46 <nebadon_laptop> im more worried about root stuff being modified by them
2014-06-09 14:46 <smxy> they go from one non-root account to another.
2014-06-09 14:46 <Plugh> smxy: right
2014-06-09 14:47 <nebadon_laptop> still though, i am not sure once they are in screen
2014-06-09 14:47 <smxy> if you are non-root user fred and you want to becaome non-root user john, you say
2014-06-09 14:47 <smxy> su - john
2014-06-09 14:47 <nebadon_laptop> that it provied anmore accountaibility than sharing
2014-06-09 14:47 <nebadon_laptop> ther than knowing who connect
2014-06-09 14:47 <smxy> and give John's password
2014-06-09 14:47 <nebadon_laptop> you still cant tell who does what can you?
2014-06-09 14:47 <Plugh> well, son of a gun. I just built mono 3.4.0
2014-06-09 14:48 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2014-06-09 14:48 <smxy> if you know who became john when, because of the su logs, you can tie that to when the bad thing happened and you also have the sheell history
2014-06-09 14:48 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: Don't use that -branch version. Use the stock 3.4.0 from the mono project.
2014-06-09 14:48 <nebadon_laptop> we tried that Plugh
2014-06-09 14:48 <nebadon_laptop> thats how we started infact
2014-06-09 14:48 <Plugh> stock 3.4 built. -mono won't.
2014-06-09 14:48 <smxy> Plugh, now build and use 3.6.1 from git like nebadon_laptopand I did and you'll really be flying. :)
2014-06-09 14:49 <Plugh> bah. now make install fails.
2014-06-09 14:49 <Plugh> sheesh
2014-06-09 14:49 <nebadon_laptop> yes thats usually when it fails
2014-06-09 14:49 <nebadon_laptop> what is the err?
2014-06-09 14:49 <smxy> you'd simply replace the wget of the tar ball and the unpacking of it, with a git clone.
2014-06-09 14:49 <Plugh> But -branch fails to build. 
2014-06-09 14:49 <Plugh> cannot stat `targets/Microsoft.Portable.Common.targets': No such file or directory
2014-06-09 14:49 <Plugh> '
2014-06-09 14:49 <smxy> missing file
2014-06-09 14:50 <Plugh> two mono trees. Both bad. :P
2014-06-09 14:50 <smxy> they know about it and haven't fixed it.
2014-06-09 14:50 <smxy> Use git
2014-06-09 14:50 <smxy> build 3.6.1
2014-06-09 14:50 <nebadon_laptop> or 3.2.8
2014-06-09 14:50 <smxy> yeah
2014-06-09 14:50 <Plugh> I don't see a 3.6 on their site.
2014-06-09 14:50 <nebadon_laptop> 3.6.1 seemed to work just fine for me
2014-06-09 14:50 <nebadon_laptop> its git master
2014-06-09 14:50 <nebadon_laptop> from github
2014-06-09 14:50 <smxy> it's working here too
2014-06-09 14:51 <nebadon_laptop> i almost never have trouble running mono git master
2014-06-09 14:51 <nebadon_laptop> I think maybe once i had trouble, ended up going back like 5 revisions and it was fine
2014-06-09 14:51 <Plugh> they don't make it easy to find the git repo
2014-06-09 14:51 <nebadon_laptop> they keep thier git surprisingly stable
2014-06-09 14:51 <nebadon_laptop> http://github.com/mono/mono.git
2014-06-09 14:51 <nebadon_laptop> http://github.com/mono/libgdiplus.git
2014-06-09 14:52 <nebadon_laptop> that may need https
2014-06-09 14:52 <Plugh> hehe... contribute link still talks about getting it from their SVN repo.
2014-06-09 14:52 <nebadon_laptop> i cant remember
2014-06-09 14:52 <nebadon_laptop> heh really?
2014-06-09 14:52 <Plugh> After you have commited your patches to our SVN repository, please use the build status page to keep track of how your changes affect the build. If your patches turned the tree red, please back it out immediately. 
2014-06-09 14:52 <nebadon_laptop> i always just googled mono git
2014-06-09 14:53 <Plugh> They need to update their web pages.
2014-06-09 14:53 <nebadon_laptop> ya their website has never been great
2014-06-09 14:54 <Plugh> http is working for cloning
2014-06-09 14:57 <Plugh> ok, https is what you need. http just sat there after initializing the local repo.
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2014-06-09 15:05 <Plugh> git master won't build. same issue. gmcs doesn't appear to be usable.
2014-06-09 15:06 <Plugh> One last try after the get of monolite
2014-06-09 15:09 <nebadon_laptop> ya welcome to Centos
2014-06-09 15:09 <nebadon_laptop> you are experience what I experience everytime i try to use CentOS
2014-06-09 15:09 <nebadon_laptop> depedacy hell
2014-06-09 15:09 <nebadon_laptop> i hate centos
2014-06-09 15:09 <nebadon_laptop> for OpenSimulator anyway
2014-06-09 15:10 <nebadon_laptop> its a great Apache/MySQL server
2014-06-09 15:10 <Plugh> I only need mono to run Robust
2014-06-09 15:10 <Plugh> hey, git master built.
2014-06-09 15:10 <Plugh> Now, will I be able to install it??
2014-06-09 15:11 <Plugh> woohoo! it worked.
2014-06-09 15:11 <nebadon_laptop> 
ACTION has fingers crosssed

2014-06-09 15:11 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2014-06-09 15:12 <Plugh> ok, just like their website is out of date, they have problems in the creation of their tarballs.
2014-06-09 15:12 <jakdaniels> Plugh I have 3.2.8 source RPM for centos 6 if you want, built from the 3.2.8 tarball
2014-06-09 15:13 <nebadon_laptop> this is first time I have ever experienced so much trouble with the mono tarball
2014-06-09 15:13 <nebadon_laptop> for some reason I recall the 3.4.0 tarball working for me
2014-06-09 15:13 <nebadon_laptop> id have to try again to be sure
2014-06-09 15:13 <jakdaniels> I tried quite a few of them, I could only get 3.2.8 to compile ok
2014-06-09 15:14 <Plugh> jakdaniels: If you toss me the .spec file I could see if I can roll my own set of RPM files from git master.
2014-06-09 15:14 <Plugh> I may have to dig in to may notes and see if I wrote down the framework I used to use to do local RPM builds.
2014-06-09 15:14 <jakdaniels> here's the SRPM: http://www.ateb.co.uk/rpms/mono-core-3.2.8-0.src.rpm
2014-06-09 15:14 <jakdaniels> just a mo while I upload the spec file
2014-06-09 15:17 <jakdaniels> ok try this: http://www.ateb.co.uk/rpms/mono-3.2.8.spec
2014-06-09 15:18 <Plugh> jakdaniels: ok, ty.
2014-06-09 15:18 <jakdaniels> see if 3.2.8 builds ok first I would, then try moving up version tarballs and tweaking the spec as you go.
2014-06-09 15:18 <Plugh> Looks like I never documented my old RPM build framework.
2014-06-09 15:18 <jakdaniels> If I remember correctly there are some spec files in the mono source tree?
2014-06-09 15:19 <Plugh> ah, so there is.
2014-06-09 15:19 <Plugh> 
ACTION never thought to look

2014-06-09 15:19 <Plugh> Been ages since I built RPM files.
2014-06-09 15:20 <jakdaniels> but I remember it not working 100~%, I think I had to tweak Requires: etc
2014-06-09 15:20 <jakdaniels> rpmbuild -bb is your friend ;-)
2014-06-09 15:20 <Plugh> I just installed rpm-build package. 
2014-06-09 15:20 <Plugh> I remember that. I used to have ~rpms then I put RPMS, SRPMS, and there were two other directories under there. 
2014-06-09 15:21 <Plugh> sources(?), and something else.
2014-06-09 15:22 <jakdaniels> depending on how full a distro you have installed, I usually just do 'yum groupinstall Development tools"
2014-06-09 15:22 <Plugh> jakdaniels: I used to do -ba to get the new .src.rpm along with the installable .rpm's
2014-06-09 15:22 <jakdaniels> yes, that's how I got that src rpm
2014-06-09 15:23 <jakdaniels> in rhel6 build area moved to /root/rpmbuild
2014-06-09 15:23 <jakdaniels> or ~/rpmbuild
2014-06-09 15:23 <Plugh> ok.
2014-06-09 15:23 <jakdaniels> RPMS,SRPMS,SPECS,SOURCES,BUILD
2014-06-09 15:25 <Plugh> ah, ok. ty. I didn't document it in my notebook.
2014-06-09 15:26 <jakdaniels> but if rpmbuild ias installed you should have that dir structure anyway
2014-06-09 15:27 <Plugh> not in /root
2014-06-09 15:27 <Plugh> I remember the structure under /usr somewhere.
2014-06-09 15:29 <jakdaniels> hmm, maybe that gets created when you install a src rpm as root, let me check
2014-06-09 15:29 <jakdaniels> it was /usr/src/redhat on EL5
2014-06-09 15:29 <Plugh> could be. Perhaps it was /usr/src where they went.
2014-06-09 15:29 <jakdaniels> but it moved
2014-06-09 15:31 <jakdaniels> yes i guess the src RPM makes the rpmbuild subdir under ~
2014-06-09 15:33 <Plugh> oh, I remember I used to have an env var to set the RPM buildroot directory where those 5 directories were located.
2014-06-09 15:33 <Plugh> that was so I could build rpms in my user account.
2014-06-09 15:33 <jakdaniels> yes you can do that too
2014-06-09 15:35 <Plugh> I generally avoided building as root.
2014-06-09 15:41 <jakdaniels> anyway, let me know how you get on.... I built it a while ago, and there may have been other stuff I had to do prior to successfully building 3.2.8 RPMS
2014-06-09 15:41 <Plugh> ok.
2014-06-09 15:42 <Plugh> I still have work to do on this new machine. I'm still not sure how I want to partition it so I keep plenty of room for a growing database.
2014-06-09 15:43 <jakdaniels> Perhaps don't partition it all, or leave some empty partition that you can add later using LVM
2014-06-09 15:46 <Plugh> I've got 2.6T to play with after making a 25G / partition.
2014-06-09 15:47 <jakdaniels> yeah you may need this too: http://www.ateb.co.uk/rpms/libgdiplus-3.0-1.src.rpm I see I built that on the same day as the mono RPMS
2014-06-09 15:47 <jakdaniels> hehe, planning a big DB are we? ;-)
2014-06-09 15:48 <Plugh> Ah, libgdi also includes a spec file.
2014-06-09 15:48 <Plugh> The space came with the machine. :)
2014-06-09 15:49 <Plugh> I wouldn't want to think about a grid that needed T's worth of asset data.
2014-06-09 15:51 <jakdaniels> bbl, gotta go out to town
2014-06-09 15:51 <Plugh> They are coming to get you?  ;)
2014-06-09 15:52 <jakdaniels> hoho hehe haha ;)
2014-06-09 16:00 <smxy> Again, I would say to nebadon_laptop and Plugh: I have no trouble building mono on CentOS/RHEL. I've offered help and advice and people ignore it like I don't know what the hell I'm talking about, yet isn't it funny that I'm the one able to do it with ease? Meh.
2014-06-09 16:01 <nebadon_laptop> oh I know smxy
2014-06-09 16:01 <nebadon_laptop> I was just pointing out that this is what drives me nuts about centos
2014-06-09 16:01 <nebadon_laptop> its not as straight forward as other linux's when it comes to mono
2014-06-09 16:01 <nebadon_laptop> redhat is the same way though
2014-06-09 16:02 <smxy> same code
2014-06-09 16:02 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-06-09 16:05 <smxy> The only issues I ran into last night were due to mono's broken tarball and my own fat-fingering things because I was up way past my usual bedtime. Otherwise it was as trivial (and time-consuming) as ever to build.
2014-06-09 16:05 <nebadon_laptop> ya I do know its gotten easier on CentOS recently
2014-06-09 16:05 <nebadon_laptop> it used to be way harder
2014-06-09 16:05 <nebadon_laptop> im talking in the v4/5 timeframe
2014-06-09 16:06 <nebadon_laptop> I am certainly not against anyone using CentOS
2014-06-09 16:06 <nebadon_laptop> my point only was there are easier paths
2014-06-09 16:07 <nebadon_laptop> unfortunately some hosts only offer CentOS
2014-06-09 16:07 <nebadon_laptop> and Enterprise versions
2014-06-09 16:07 <nebadon_laptop> and almost no one offers OpenSuSE
2014-06-09 16:08 <smxy> Once you build it the first time, you use each one to build the next and it's nearly brain-dead easy. The only quirk recently was that starting with 3.2.8 there's a libtool versioning issue that causes you to need to run autoreconf -fvi just before the autogen for libgdiplus.
2014-06-09 16:09 <smxy> Otherwise I simply follow your instructions (after making sure the current mono is in root's PATH).
2014-06-09 16:10 <nebadon_laptop> ya I think a lot of my trouble has always been getting that initial mono on
2014-06-09 16:10 <nebadon_laptop> i didnt like adding epel
2014-06-09 16:10 <smxy> epel is a respected 3rd party repo.
2014-06-09 16:10 <smxy> It's the only one we'll allow on our servers at work.
2014-06-09 16:11 <nebadon_laptop> I have never used CentOS for anything though other than testing
2014-06-09 16:11 <nebadon_laptop> mostly to try to help others get mono and opensim working
2014-06-09 16:11 <nebadon_laptop> so my overall experience with CentOS is very low
2014-06-09 16:12 <nebadon_laptop> this is another reason I stopped using Debian while back
2014-06-09 16:12 <smxy> Whereas I've been using Red Hat based distros since he early '90s.
2014-06-09 16:12 <smxy> the*
2014-06-09 16:12 <nebadon_laptop> because they for a long time were extremely slow with updating packages in ther repo
2014-06-09 16:13 <Plugh> smxy: it was late and I was tired when Is started trying to do this last night. I got 2.10 built no problem. 3.x is being a pain.
2014-06-09 16:13 <nebadon_laptop> which also made mono a chore, but that has also gotten a lot better
2014-06-09 16:13 <Plugh> fwiw, I've run that autoreconf command.
2014-06-09 16:13 <smxy> Red Hat definietly is slow, because big enterprises need them to go slow so everything doesn't break. If you want fast Red Hat, you use Fedora.
2014-06-09 16:13 <nebadon_laptop> yes and I did for a while, but I always end up back at Suse i just love it
2014-06-09 16:14 <smxy> Which is how I feel about RHEL/CentOS. :)
2014-06-09 16:16 <nebadon_laptop> ya for me I want to spend the least amount of time dealing with Operating system issues ad spend all my time working on opensim
2014-06-09 16:16 <nebadon_laptop> thats what killed me with debian, everytime i did a system update everything stopped working, and id spend days trying to make it all work again
2014-06-09 16:17 <Plugh> other people tell me that Debian has the ability to update itself to latest version. Sounds like that isn't the case from your experience, nebadon.
2014-06-09 16:17 <nebadon_laptop> well my problem was dependancies
2014-06-09 16:18 <nebadon_laptop> in the repo were so old id have to install the myself
2014-06-09 16:18 <nebadon_laptop> the doing updates to the OS would screw all that up
2014-06-09 16:18 <Plugh> That seems to be the case with all the distros and OS'es
2014-06-09 16:18 <smxy> I do have to amend one thing I said - there was another quirk. 6.5 drastically reduced the default number of allowed threads and that had to be reaised or you can't run more than a couple of simulators on it as the threads are exhausted. I forget exactly where and how I raised that, but it is needed.
2014-06-09 16:18 <nebadon_laptop> yes but other distros were much faster with new packages in the repo
2014-06-09 16:18 <nebadon_laptop> so compiling/installing the latest mono was easy
2014-06-09 16:19 <nebadon_laptop> most of these problems are in the past now
2014-06-09 16:19 <nebadon_laptop> this was years ago
2014-06-09 16:19 <nebadon_laptop> you know me I am mr bleeding edge
2014-06-09 16:19 <nebadon_laptop> and Enterprise Linux goes against every thing I am
2014-06-09 16:19 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-06-09 16:19 <Melanie_> the value you mean is probably nproc in /etc/security/limits.conf
2014-06-09 16:20 <Melanie_> and yes it has to be raised
2014-06-09 16:20 <smxy> let me check my server
2014-06-09 16:20 <Plugh> Ubuntu was the first distro I used that could update to new versions. When they added that Unity nonsense I stopped using it.
2014-06-09 16:20 <Melanie_> also good to raise nofiles
2014-06-09 16:20 <nebadon_laptop> ah i have the recipe for that
2014-06-09 16:20 <nebadon_laptop> 1 sec
2014-06-09 16:20 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=65
2014-06-09 16:21 <smxy> no, not limits.conf, at least that's not where I did it.
2014-06-09 16:21 <nebadon_laptop> I have notes on all kinds of Linux quirkiness
2014-06-09 16:21 <Melanie_> these days, all linux distros save for suse install into a smartphone-like touch-enabled desktop by default
2014-06-09 16:21 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewforum.php?f=8&sid=ef96c1684220d60e224493683965b1ad
2014-06-09 16:21 <Melanie_> i hate it
2014-06-09 16:21 <nebadon_laptop> ya I really like Suse's KDE implementation
2014-06-09 16:21 <nebadon_laptop> its fantastic as a desktop
2014-06-09 16:21 <Plugh> Melanie_: I don't find that with Linux Mint unless they changed that in 16 or 17.
2014-06-09 16:22 <Melanie_> it may be elsewhere
2014-06-09 16:22 <Melanie_> that location os for rhel/centos
2014-06-09 16:22 <nebadon_laptop> Mint is good too, but I found that to be less for power users and more for people transitioning from windows
2014-06-09 16:22 <Melanie_> is*
2014-06-09 16:22 <nebadon_laptop> maybe I am wrong, but that was my feeling about Mint in the end
2014-06-09 16:22 <Melanie_> i hate what is becoming of linux
2014-06-09 16:22 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: I run it with a Gnome 2 style desktop.
2014-06-09 16:22 <nebadon_laptop> Debian/Ubuntu/Mint kind of not my cup of tea
2014-06-09 16:23 <Melanie_> but i like that people turn away from windows
2014-06-09 16:23 <Melanie_> and i especially like that they all cite my pet peeve for doing it
2014-06-09 16:23 <Plugh> Melanie_: Its going "mainstream" so it seems as if it is being made more user friendly for the general masses.
2014-06-09 16:23 <Melanie_> namely, that they don't want their computer turned into a large smartphone
2014-06-09 16:23 <nebadon_laptop> i really do like Fedora out of the box as a desktop too
2014-06-09 16:23 <nebadon_laptop> when it come to opensim and mono though, I am suse or nothing anymore
2014-06-09 16:23 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-06-09 16:24 <Melanie_> IMHO, desktop OSs should ditch the "app grid" concept
2014-06-09 16:24 <Melanie_> it's too phonelike
2014-06-09 16:24 <Melanie_> power users need hierachical menus
2014-06-09 16:24 <Melanie_> flat lists of icons will just not do
2014-06-09 16:24 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: KDE look nice and pretty but I didn't like it was based on the closed source (at the time) Qt or some aspects of how it dealt with the sound system back in the day.
2014-06-09 16:24 <Melanie_> qt wasn't closed
2014-06-09 16:24 <nebadon_laptop> ya when I fired up the first version of Ubuntu with Unity Desktop
2014-06-09 16:25 <nebadon_laptop> for about 3 hours i felt as if I had never used a computer before in my life
2014-06-09 16:25 <Melanie_> there were some components not included in the opensource but they weren't used in kde'
2014-06-09 16:25 <Melanie_> qt was merely licensed such that commercial development with it required payment
2014-06-09 16:25 <Plugh> It was or it was proprietary in some way. That was one of the Gnome vs. KDE discussions ages ago.
2014-06-09 16:25 <nebadon_laptop> ya Im not sure KDE is much dependant on QT anymore
2014-06-09 16:26 <Melanie_> Free software could always use the free qt
2014-06-09 16:26 <Melanie_> qt/windows was always payware then
2014-06-09 16:26 <nebadon_laptop> and sounds is now Pulse audio for everything
2014-06-09 16:26 <nebadon_laptop> which has gotten surprisingly good
2014-06-09 16:26 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: and that is another mess.
2014-06-09 16:26 <Melanie_> yes, aRts is gone
2014-06-09 16:26 <nebadon_laptop> the latest Pulse audio on opensuse is quite good
2014-06-09 16:26 <Melanie_> i don't see the need for any sound server, tbh
2014-06-09 16:26 <nebadon_laptop> its superior to windows 
2014-06-09 16:26 <nebadon_laptop> in my opinion
2014-06-09 16:26 <Melanie_> apps could just as well use alsa directly
2014-06-09 16:27 <nebadon_laptop> it does things I could only wish i could do on windows
2014-06-09 16:27 <smxy> I found where I changed it: in /etc/security/limits.d/90-nproc.conf, chang 1024 to 10240
2014-06-09 16:27 <Melanie_> but they all went to pulse because asoundrc is considered black magic
2014-06-09 16:27 <Plugh> I had used esound until ALSA came along. Then Pulse got added on top of ALSA and broke the sound on my system. Took 2 or 3 years before it got to where it seemed to work properly once more.
2014-06-09 16:27 <Melanie_> and making a plug layer for devices that don't support multi-open was considered too hard for the user to do
2014-06-09 16:27 <smxy> Did you catch that, Plugh?
2014-06-09 16:27 <nebadon_laptop> yes pulse was absolte garbage until opensuse 13.1
2014-06-09 16:27 <Plugh> smxy: hehe
2014-06-09 16:27 <Plugh> Melanie_: yea, they also added jackd in to the mix.
2014-06-09 16:27 <nebadon_laptop> but at some point it jumped ahead by light years
2014-06-09 16:28 <nebadon_laptop> not sure why
2014-06-09 16:28 <Melanie_> i know. look at the credits on jackd for my name ;)
2014-06-09 16:28 <Plugh> I had no need for jackd so I never used it.
2014-06-09 16:29 <nebadon_laptop> both KDE and Pulse are like completely different beasts from opensuse 12.3 to 13.1
2014-06-09 16:29 <Melanie_> my main ossue with pulse is that, when apps only open a channel to play a "ding" then close it again, they don't stay accessible in pavucontrol, so you can't reroute them
2014-06-09 16:29 <BlueWall> jackd rocks :)
2014-06-09 16:29 <Melanie_> the item appears only for fractions of a second
2014-06-09 16:29 <Melanie_> too short to do anything with it
2014-06-09 16:29 <Plugh> BlueWall: If you do a lot with audio you may need it.
2014-06-09 16:30 <Melanie_> you can't get past jack if you do linux audio at semipro or pro level
2014-06-09 16:30 <BlueWall> yes, multi-track recording, synth, sequencers, etc.
2014-06-09 16:30 <Plugh> Right. I don't do that sort of thing so I don't need it.
2014-06-09 16:30 <Plugh> lunch time. bbl.
2014-06-09 16:30 <Melanie_> jackd is not a system audio daemon like pulse
2014-06-09 16:30 <Melanie_> it's for musicians, djs, audio tweakers
2014-06-09 16:32 <Keygruin> I seem to remember reading somewhere that if you don't have a decent sound card, you shouldn't mess around with jackd so I never have lol
2014-06-09 16:33 <Melanie_> that's not true
2014-06-09 16:33 <Melanie_> you shouldn't do pro audio without a decent sound card
2014-06-09 16:33 <Melanie_> but jack will just as soon run with a cheap ac97
2014-06-09 16:33 <Keygruin> yes that makes more sense 
2014-06-09 16:34 <Melanie_> hell, jackd runs on a raspberry with the built-in audio
2014-06-09 16:34 <Melanie_> however, for raspis, it's better to get the wolfson audio card
2014-06-09 16:34 <Melanie_> the bad part is that you need to compile a kernel
2014-06-09 16:35 <Melanie_> on the pi it takes overnight, or else you need crosscompile capabilities
2014-06-09 16:35 <Melanie_> that pretty much means unix/linux/mac
2014-06-09 16:40 <nebadon_laptop> I thought about getting a Pi, but they seem awefully under powered to me
2014-06-09 16:44 <Melanie_> they have their uses
2014-06-09 16:44 <Melanie_> i have one on every tv
2014-06-09 16:44 <Melanie_> they make excellent media centers
2014-06-09 16:46 <nebadon_laptop> how do you interface it?
2014-06-09 16:47 <nebadon_laptop> mouse and keyboard?
2014-06-09 16:47 <jakdaniels> olimex make more powerful boards now for about the same price as a PI
2014-06-09 16:47 <jakdaniels> you can run xbmc on them and use your android phone as a remote
2014-06-09 16:48 <jakdaniels> I have a PI setup for that taped to the back of my TV ;-)
2014-06-09 17:05 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: I have a Pi. It's main use, for now, is to program AVR microcontrollers.
2014-06-09 17:06 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: An alternative to the Pi if you want something low cost but a bit more oomph is the Beagle Bone Black.
2014-06-09 17:07 <Plugh> I think it is more of a development platform compared to the Pi.
2014-06-09 17:07 <jakdaniels> or this: https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A10/A10-OLinuXino-LIME/open-source-hardware
2014-06-09 17:07 <jakdaniels> has sata which is useful
2014-06-09 17:08 <Plugh> All depends on what you want to do with a small device.
2014-06-09 17:08 <Plugh> 30 EUR makes that more expensive than a Pi and higher cost but not much more than a BBB
2014-06-09 17:09 <jakdaniels> true. I got one to replace a pi in a HA system 'cos it has the integrated LiPo battery charger for battery backup
2014-06-09 17:09 <Plugh> nice
2014-06-09 17:10 <Plugh> I worked with an ARM based board for a client a while back. I have another ARM board that has a small LCD with touch screen.
2014-06-09 17:11 <Plugh> It must be just after lunch. I sit down again and hear the cat calling for me just after I settle in to do something. :P
2014-06-09 17:11 <Plugh> bbl
2014-06-09 18:26 <osmantis> Bug #6764:04 Mono debug line numbers are completely off 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6764 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-09 18:52 <smxy> I sure would like to know why this happens. It goes bad at line 13, but tells nothing about exactly WHAT the problem is. :( http://pastebin.com/MWgzLYuY
2014-06-09 18:54 <smxy> On the Kitely side, I got a popup that says: "Teleport failed. Problems connecting to destination Eld, reason: Destination region did not signal teleport completion."
2014-06-09 18:55 <smxy> Eld is running Master HEAD. The Kitely side is running 0.7.6.1 Post_Fixes plus (I would imagine) their own fixes.
2014-06-09 18:56 <smxy> Eld is a normal 256x256 sized region.
2014-06-09 18:57 <smxy> And it's repeatable.
2014-06-09 18:59 <smxy> Numerous people from Kitely have visited my grid, too.
2014-06-09 19:12 <smxy> Hmmm. That IP address, 192.168.30.100, is my iMac, where the viewer is running. My grid is supposed to see me coming from the outside. When I login to my grid directly, it sees me as coming from the outside ...
2014-06-09 19:13 <smxy> I should look like I'm coming from Kitely.
2014-06-09 19:17 <smxy> In line 1, it correctly sees my external addres.
2014-06-09 19:17 <smxy> +s
2014-06-09 19:17 <smxy> But by line 6, it's switched to my iMac's address.
2014-06-09 19:18 <nebadon_laptop> so the remote grid is seeing the lan address?
2014-06-09 19:19 <nebadon_laptop> sounds like loopback issue
2014-06-09 19:19 <smxy> No, it looks like my grid is. All outbound traffic is changed to my external address.
2014-06-09 19:20 <nebadon_laptop> are you doing any kind of iptable stuff for loopback?
2014-06-09 19:21 <nebadon_laptop> this very much to me looks like a network configuration problem
2014-06-09 19:21 <nebadon_laptop> and not something with opensim itself
2014-06-09 19:21 <smxy> I'm inclined to agree, but I'll be damned if I know exactly what's wrong. On the way to the Internet, my pakets are set to my external address. If I connect to my grid - at the external address - my packets are re-written as coming from the external address (or else I couldn't log into my own grid).
2014-06-09 19:21 <smxy> Yes, my firewall is iptables. This seems to be a 3rd kind of connection case.
2014-06-09 19:23 <smxy> I have accounts on other grids. Let me see if this fails for all of them, or just when coming from Kitely.
2014-06-09 19:24 <smxy> Like OSgrid, for example.
2014-06-09 19:24 <nebadon_laptop> k
2014-06-09 19:29 <smxy> That got me further - to my grid, but nothing rezzed and disconnected after a bit. So, ther seems to be a case where if I connect to an external grid, then TP to mine, packets aren't getting handled correctly.
2014-06-09 19:30 <nebadon_laptop> ya HG is very picky about checking that IP address hasnt changed
2014-06-09 19:30 <nebadon_laptop> if at any point it gets a different ip you are going to be disconnected
2014-06-09 19:30 <nebadon_laptop> so opensim is doing what its supposed to do in that regard i suspect
2014-06-09 19:30 <smxy> I don't even know how to describe this as a firewall rule.
2014-06-09 19:30 <nebadon_laptop> ya me either
2014-06-09 19:31 <nebadon_laptop> I am kind of surprised you would have to
2014-06-09 19:31 <smxy> Yes, as am I.
2014-06-09 19:33 <smxy> I can only assume I've changed something in my firewall config, during my upgrades since March, as this most certainly used to work perfectly.
2014-06-09 19:33 <nebadon_laptop> did you save all your old rules?
2014-06-09 19:33 <smxy> Of course not. :)
2014-06-09 19:33 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-06-09 19:33 <smxy> That's about to change. :)
2014-06-09 19:34 <nebadon_laptop> ya you know I always dread my router dieing
2014-06-09 19:34 <nebadon_laptop> I take screenshots of all my rules
2014-06-09 19:34 <nebadon_laptop> because its such a nightmare to recreate
2014-06-09 19:35 <smxy> I see the rule that rewrites all my outgoing packets as the external address. I see the rule that rewrites the addresses so my regions can talk to each other via the external address.
2014-06-09 19:37 <nebadon_laptop> it may be the viewer that is the problem
2014-06-09 19:37 <nebadon_laptop> I have a vague recollection of that being a problem in the past
2014-06-09 19:38 <nebadon_laptop> however I thought we dealt with that all on the back end of opensim
2014-06-09 19:38 <smxy> Well, it clearly doesn't seem to be an OpenSim issue.
2014-06-09 19:38 <nebadon_laptop> I remember early on with the HG security stuff that the viewer tended to want to use the machiens IP address at some points
2014-06-09 19:38 <smxy> I'm still leaning towards I screwed up something in my loopback setup.
2014-06-09 19:38 <nebadon_laptop> oh ya I think so too
2014-06-09 19:39 <nebadon_laptop> but what I meant was this may be a rule needed for the viewers
2014-06-09 19:39 <nebadon_laptop> not the simulators
2014-06-09 19:39 <smxy> Oh, yes. That's the one I *don't* see at the moment.
2014-06-09 19:39 <smxy> I covered outgoing. I covered server to server.
2014-06-09 19:39 <smxy> I don't see something covering internal bouncing off external (yet).
2014-06-09 19:40 <smxy> Except that that's what I have to do to connect to my own grid, and that works.
2014-06-09 19:46 <smxy> Shows you how often I try to jump back to my own grid . :)
2014-06-09 19:47 <smxy> When starting outside, that is.
2014-06-09 19:49 <smxy> The more I look at this, the more I'm amazed I can actually log into my own grid.
2014-06-09 19:50 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-06-09 19:50 <smxy> When I do, the region I log into is seeing my iMac's address. It should be seeing the external address.
2014-06-09 19:51 <nebadon_laptop> ya that sounds like loopback is failing
2014-06-09 19:52 <smxy> Oh, I'm quite sure it's doing *exactly* what I told it to do. That just doesn't happen to be what I *wanted* it to do. :)
2014-06-09 19:52 <nebadon_laptop> haha
2014-06-09 19:57 <dahlia> computers always do that :/
2014-06-09 19:57 <smxy> Okay, well, redoing my NAT rules just jumped to near the top of my ToDo list. Thanks for letting me talk it out. :)
2014-06-09 19:58 <nebadon_laptop> np
2014-06-09 20:20 <lkalif> twitter wisdom: Programming is 1% inspiration, 99% trying to get your environment to work, and 1% off by one errors. :P
2014-06-09 20:35 <smxy> I believe that.
2014-06-09 20:41 <smxy> Okay, got my firewall sorted out. Works great now. :)
2014-06-09 20:42 <smxy> NAT out t the Internet works. I can connect to my own grid and it only sees me by the external address. I can login to a foreign grid and jump to my grid just fine now.
2014-06-09 20:48 <nebadon_laptop> nie
2014-06-09 20:48 <nebadon_laptop> nice*
2014-06-09 20:48 <smxy> This might resolve some of those places I couldn't get to because they couldn't verify my identity.
2014-06-09 20:49 <smxy> Maybe.
2014-06-09 20:50 <nebadon_laptop> would not surprise me
2014-06-09 21:11 <smxy> I think it did, as I just got to a place that I haven't been able to get to - direct from *my* grid, only from *other* grids - in a long time.
2014-06-09 21:23 <xso> When I try to install Mono on CentOS 5.8 I get a 404 error for repomd - how to fix?
2014-06-09 21:26 <smxy> for what repo?
2014-06-09 21:26 <smxy> 5.8 is pretty old. Might you not want to update to 6.5?
2014-06-09 21:30 <xso> I am using KVM on a dedicated server trying to install opensim in Robust mode remotely... I dont think my Provder had that as an install option and Im already running apache on it for another project
2014-06-09 21:31 <xso> Using the opensimulator.org/wiki as an instruction guide it says to sudo vi mono.repo
2014-06-09 21:32 <Melanie_> that os is old and probably no longer fully secure
2014-06-09 21:32 <Melanie_> but as Oss go, it's not unsuitable for opensim just because of age
2014-06-09 21:32 <Melanie_> however, the repos for the old versions are successively going offline
2014-06-09 21:32 <Melanie_> so you need to look into rpmfind.net, find the archive repo or install from source
2014-06-09 21:33 <Melanie_> the archive repo is at vault.centos.org
2014-06-09 21:33 <Melanie_> from memory, check it
2014-06-09 21:33 <xso> thanks
2014-06-09 21:42 <xso> is it here http://centos.karan.org/el5/extras/testing/i386/RPMS/?
2014-06-09 21:42 <xso> i see mono 2.4.2.3
2014-06-09 21:42 <lkalif> nebadon_: what's you compile mono link?
2014-06-09 21:43 <xso> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Dependencies#Installing_from_Core_Repository
2014-06-09 21:43 <lkalif> xso: you're probably  best off compiling mono 3.2.8 yourself
2014-06-09 21:43 <xso> it says 404 not found
2014-06-09 21:43 <lkalif> smxy: you got it too
2014-06-09 21:43 <xso> what to put updated link?
2014-06-09 21:44 <xso> for CentOS 5.8
2014-06-09 21:44 <smxy> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44
2014-06-09 21:45 <lkalif> xso: yeah, follow that guide to install mono on centos
2014-06-09 21:45 <smxy> Well, he'll need a mono to build mono though.
2014-06-09 21:45 <smxy> At least 2.4 as I recall.
2014-06-09 21:46 <xso> I have mono 1
2014-06-09 21:47 <xso> 1.2.4
2014-06-09 21:49 <smxy> have you checked the epel repo for el5?
2014-06-09 21:49 <smxy> They might have a newer mono in it. I know they do for el65.
2014-06-09 21:49 <smxy> el6*
2014-06-09 21:50 <xso> is it possible somehow for me to concern myself less with installing a dependancy and more with the server grid itself? From what i gather its a 404 not found in my installation because the file in the wiki is outdated on the instructions? Opensim wiki shows for 5.6 but still 404 not found I am really hoping not to change operating systems 
2014-06-09 21:50 <xso> I was trying to check but I am not quite sure how to check or what url to update it to
2014-06-09 21:50 <smxy> just a sec
2014-06-09 21:52 <smxy> If you install this, you'll add the epel repo. Then you can try to install it. http://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/pub/epel/5/i386/epel-release-5-4.noarch.rpm 
2014-06-09 21:53 <smxy> once you install that, you can do a: yum list | grep -i mono | more 
2014-06-09 21:54 <smxy> to see what's available. If nothing, you can uninstall the repo rpm.
2014-06-09 21:54 <smxy> But that might get you a mono new enough to build 3.2.8
2014-06-09 21:57 <smxy> Nope. They only have version 1.2.6 for el5.
2014-06-09 21:57 <xso> I just did rpm -ivh epel-release-5-4.noarch.rpm and it had a progress bar that said 100% but thats it, is it installed?
2014-06-09 21:57 <smxy> I believe so, but see my last comment.
2014-06-09 21:58 <smxy> they have 2.4.3 for el6 but only 1.2.6 for el5.
2014-06-09 21:59 <xso> it says "Error: cannot retrieve repositor metadata (repomd.xml) for repository mono.
2014-06-09 22:00 <xso> and the url that is at baseurl=http://ftp.novell.com/pub/mono/download-stable/RHEL_5/ keeps coming up
2014-06-09 22:00 <xso> in the error lines
2014-06-09 22:01 <xso> I really think it wants me to update this file to a different url
2014-06-09 22:01 <xso> sudo vi mono.repo
2014-06-09 22:01 <Melanie_> you need mono 2.10 to run opensim
2014-06-09 22:01 <Melanie_> since 0.8, we use c#4
2014-06-09 22:02 <Melanie_> which is not supported by earlier mono
2014-06-09 22:05 <zadark_afk> Mono 2.10 mcs will not compile mono 3.6 Need to use make get-monolite-latest from within the root directory of a mono git clone.
2014-06-09 22:15 <zadark_afk> Then once autogen has successfully run invoke: make EXTERNAL_MCS=${PWD}/mcs/class/lib/monolite/gmcs.exe
2014-06-09 22:19 <xso> this is very complicated for me works so easy on my windows machine :( well I just dont know the fundamentals of linux very well..
2014-06-09 22:20 <xso> yum install bison gettext glib2 freetype fontconfig libpng libpng-devel libX11 libX11-devel glib2-devel libgdi* libexif glibc-devel urw-fonts java unzip gcc gcc-c++ automake autoconf libtool 
2014-06-09 22:20 <xso> returns the same error.... 404 not found http://ftp.novell.com/pub/mono/download-stable/RHEL_5/repodata/repomd.xml HTTP Error 404 not found
2014-06-09 22:22 <zadark_afk> You may need to point yum to another repro if your centos is past its prime, not familar with Centos repros 
2014-06-09 22:24 <xso> if i delete the file mono.repo would it skip that 404?
2014-06-09 22:24 <xso> or just.... take the text out of it
2014-06-09 22:26 <xso> yea ok that worked
2014-06-09 22:32 <xso> I got to make && make install
2014-06-09 22:32 <xso> and its still installing
2014-06-09 22:34 <xso> im getting some errors about functions being uninitalized every once in a while
2014-06-09 22:35 <nebadon_> as long as it doesnt stop
2014-06-09 22:35 <nebadon_> you can ignore those warnings
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2014-06-09 22:52 <xso> it finished but I type "mono --debug OpenSim.exe" and it says Cannot open assembly OpenSim.exe
2014-06-09 22:54 <nebadon_laptop> did you compile opensim?
2014-06-09 22:54 <zadark_afk> OpenSim.exe is present in opensim bin directory?
2014-06-09 22:55 <xso> how would I check
2014-06-09 22:56 <zadark_afk> ls OpenSim.exe
2014-06-09 22:56 <H-H-H> try mono -V
2014-06-09 22:56 <H-H-H> will atleast show if you did mono right :)
2014-06-09 22:57 <xso> i am in /usr/local/src/mono-2.10.8#
2014-06-09 22:57 <xso> mono -V returns some information it says Mono JIT compiler version 1.2.6 (tarball)
2014-06-09 22:59 <xso> ls OpenSim.exe no such file or directory
2014-06-09 23:00 <diva> you know what ppl. We really need to package up opensim in a way that ppl can just grab it and use it. I think I'm going to take a couple of days to look into docker.io. Maybe that will solve 99% of these tech support problems...
2014-06-09 23:00 <Melanie_> at the price of making people download a complete mono install and all sorts of libs as part of the package
2014-06-09 23:00 <smxy> I looked at it after you mentioned it, diva and it does look interesting.
2014-06-09 23:01 <Melanie_> it's interesting but not mature enough IMHO
2014-06-09 23:01 <zadark_afk> Seems you have a few issues there, #1 is your default mono is 1.2.6 , no good for opensim
2014-06-09 23:01 <smxy> The more people use it, the faster it may mature.
2014-06-09 23:02 <diva> it seems to have gotten a lot of attention. Lots of ppl interested. It's a veru common problem
2014-06-09 23:02 <smxy> The project itself says not for production yet - they are about two releases from that, as I recall from their roadmap.
2014-06-09 23:02 <diva> and docker.io itself is super easy to istall
2014-06-09 23:02 <xso> I didnt get an error with the mono installer... how do I change it? just reboot?
2014-06-09 23:03 <smxy> Yeah, it's on my list to play with, diva. I was wondering if it might make deployment to my servers easier.
2014-06-09 23:03 <zadark_afk> xso, have you downloaded opensim?
2014-06-09 23:03 <diva> smxy: same here
2014-06-09 23:03 <diva> let me know how far you get
2014-06-09 23:03 <smxy> okay
2014-06-09 23:04 <xso> I think I've just installed mono 2.10.8 but I don't think that its the default version....  I dont remember downloading anything opensim.. however I am using iKVM remote console on a dedicated server
2014-06-09 23:04 <diva> I isntalled it, it was strightforward. Just had to add myself to the dockers group afterwards. But I haven't had time to play with it yet. Just ran through their toturial
2014-06-09 23:04 <smxy> You're ahead of me, then. 
2014-06-09 23:05 <diva> if those images can be placed in a public repo, and updated, that will be a dream come true
2014-06-09 23:05 <zadark_afk> xso, normally we install opensim within a standard user directory
2014-06-09 23:05 <zadark_afk> xso, for that you begin with using git
2014-06-09 23:05 <xso> I havent used any commands to download the opensim source files yet.
2014-06-09 23:06 <dahlia> diva: docker.io kinda seems a lot like openvz to me
2014-06-09 23:06 <zadark_afk> using git you would type # git clone git://opensimulator.org/git/opensim opensim
2014-06-09 23:07 <smxy> They aren't VMs as they all share a single kernel. They describe it as Chroots on steroids.
2014-06-09 23:07 <zadark_afk> that download the opensim sources into a directory opensim
2014-06-09 23:07 <dahlia> ya openvz shares a kernel also
2014-06-09 23:08 <dahlia> so it's lower overhead than xen or kvm or such
2014-06-09 23:08 <dahlia> but not as flexible
2014-06-09 23:08 <smxy> yes, but if your kernel gets wonky, they all die.
2014-06-09 23:08 <smxy> I can see pros and cons. Worth checking out, I think, though.
2014-06-09 23:08 <dahlia> well if your kernel gets wonky the machine probably dies
2014-06-09 23:09 <diva> docker.io seems to have an interesting way of updating images, more like version control
2014-06-09 23:09 <diva> but that's the part I haven't looked yet
2014-06-09 23:09 <smxy> yes, and it can be tied into CI
2014-06-09 23:09 <xso> I dont have a graphical interface to work with on my dedicated server I dont think all i've got is a console
2014-06-09 23:09 <zadark_afk> xso, that is what most people on dedicated servers has
2014-06-09 23:10 <dahlia> Ive run opensim in openvz containers before, it was pretty fast but openvz was kinda hard to work with because there was non-standard stuff in it
2014-06-09 23:10 <dahlia> like installing mono was painful
2014-06-09 23:10 <xso> I ran #git clone git://opensimulator/org/git/opensim opensim and it just returned a blank line waiting for another console command instantly
2014-06-09 23:11 <smxy> do you have git installed?
2014-06-09 23:11 <zadark_afk> xso, the opensim wiki covers downloading and preping opensim.
2014-06-09 23:11 <diva> (the url is wrong)
2014-06-09 23:11 <smxy> oh .org not /org
2014-06-09 23:12 <zadark_afk> sorry that was my typo
2014-06-09 23:12 <xso> ok so I typed yum install git and its complete
2014-06-09 23:13 <xso> I am doing this directly from the wiki dependancies page
2014-06-09 23:13 <xso> its definatly outdated as someone told me to install CentOS 6 while the page is for "up to 5.6" and I'm using 5.8
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2014-06-09 23:14 <xso> and the repository link was a 404 but we got around that already
2014-06-09 23:14 <xso> for mono
2014-06-09 23:15 <zadark_afk> you need to download opensim, then point to the 2.10 mono, then compile opensim, then you can run it
2014-06-09 23:15 <zadark_afk> hopefully you already have mysql configured
2014-06-09 23:15 <xso> im finding commands all over the place and typing them aimlessly into my dedicated servers console
2014-06-09 23:16 <dahlia> lol
2014-06-09 23:16 <xso> hopefully I dont distrupt my apache server on this machien which is running my App which I make a living off of
2014-06-09 23:16 <xso> lol
2014-06-09 23:16 <smxy> You have backups, right?
2014-06-09 23:16 <xso> I am a web application developer for mobile devices...
2014-06-09 23:16 <dahlia> avoid "rm -rf /" ;)
2014-06-09 23:17 <zadark_afk> 
ACTION looks for all relevant disclaimers

2014-06-09 23:17 <smxy> You have backups, right?
2014-06-09 23:17 <zadark_afk> bbiab
2014-06-09 23:17 <xso> I got my application backed up - I dont usually do much hosting troubleshooting aside from WHM/Cpanel
2014-06-09 23:17 <dahlia> backup system works great. It's the restore system that's untested ;)
2014-06-09 23:18 <xso> if all else fails I suppose I could "click the reinstall OS button" on my hosting control
2014-06-09 23:18 <xso> and away we go with whm and uploading, it should be ok
2014-06-09 23:18 <xso> i just did "yum update"
2014-06-09 23:19 <xso> aside from wamp and whm i dont do hosting I do php/rails
2014-06-09 23:19 <xso> lol
2014-06-09 23:19 <smxy> docker
2014-06-09 23:20 <xso> ok so i confirmed git is installed as 3.2.22
2014-06-09 23:22 <xso> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWn3BSGJR1c all instructions in this video have been successful
2014-06-09 23:22 <xso> see description
2014-06-09 23:22 <xso> im almost there
2014-06-09 23:23 <xso> so far i am understanding that mono would be installed but the improper version is default and I dont know how to change that
2014-06-09 23:24 <xso> then I need to learn how to download the opensim tar and extract it to a usable directory
2014-06-09 23:24 <xso> and run the exe
2014-06-09 23:24 <xso> ???
2014-06-09 23:26 <dahlia> you'll need to do some configuration of opensim first
2014-06-09 23:33 <xso> I think I have the config worked out on my windows machine
2014-06-09 23:35 <xso> I left off at make && make install for mono
2014-06-09 23:38 <zadark_afk> nebadon http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44 has a section edit the .bashrc , that would be for the user where opensim is installed.
2014-06-09 23:40 <xso> Ok mono says its running 2.10.8 now
2014-06-09 23:41 <xso> I just relogged.
2014-06-09 23:49 <osmantis> Bug #7211:04 WARN  - OpenSim.Region.DataSnapshot.DataSnapshotManager [DATASNAPSHOT]: Caught unknown exception while trying to load snapshot: 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7211 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-09 23:55 <osmantis> Bug #7204:04 Bulletsim VarRegion recently started crashing on sim startup - Red errors: Exception: System.NullReferenceException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7204 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-10 00:27 <xso> How do I Close Opensim so I can re-execute the file
2014-06-10 00:27 <xso> from Console
2014-06-10 00:27 <Melanie_> quit or shutdown
2014-06-10 00:27 <Melanie_> or just use ctrl-c or ctrl-z / kill -9 %1
2014-06-10 00:27 <Melanie_> for a hard shutdown
2014-06-10 00:28 <xso> I mean from the linux console .. it said its up.. then Warning Missing method.Collections.Generic.HashSet ..... Mono.Addins.dll now i am back at bash
2014-06-10 00:28 <Melanie_> then it is already closed
2014-06-10 00:29 <xso> am I closer yet?
2014-06-10 00:32 <Melanie_> it appears you're still using  too old mono
2014-06-10 00:32 <Melanie_> please understand mono 1.x and ono 2.4 will NOT work
2014-06-10 00:33 <Melanie_> for your OS, you WILL probabaly have to compile mono 2.10 from source
2014-06-10 00:33 <xso> mono --version says 2.10.8 
2014-06-10 00:34 <Melanie_> ok
2014-06-10 00:34 <xso> however I was logged in as a different user when I was executing
2014-06-10 00:34 <Melanie_> are you sure you are also using the dlls from it?
2014-06-10 00:34 <xso> and mono --version said 1.something
2014-06-10 00:34 <Melanie_> maybe your GAC is polluted with older files
2014-06-10 00:34 <Melanie_> argh
2014-06-10 00:34 <xso> while trying to execute from shell
2014-06-10 00:34 <Melanie_> you can NOT use mono 1
2014-06-10 00:35 <Melanie_> you should DELETE the old mono
2014-06-10 00:35 <Melanie_> and install the new mono as system mono
2014-06-10 00:35 <Melanie_> although nebadon_laptop has has successes with mono installed as user
2014-06-10 00:35 <Melanie_> i have never made it work reliably, so I always recommend having only one version of mono permachine
2014-06-10 00:36 <xso> could I reinstall mono for the proper user?
2014-06-10 00:36 <xso> lol
2014-06-10 00:36 <Melanie_> probably but why are you so reluctant to replace/delete the system mono?
2014-06-10 00:37 <xso> Firmiliarity with the system would put that as a slightly experianced process while changing the system mono would be an unknown process for me
2014-06-10 00:38 <Melanie_> did you download mono from git and compile it yourself?
2014-06-10 00:38 <xso> yes
2014-06-10 00:38 <Melanie_> ok
2014-06-10 00:38 <xso> its working on root
2014-06-10 00:38 <xso> but the executable is in a users home directory
2014-06-10 00:38 <Melanie_> go to that mono build directory and run "make clean"
2014-06-10 00:38 <Melanie_> then run "./configure --enable-maintainer-mode --enable-compile-warnings --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --with-large-heap"
2014-06-10 00:38 <Melanie_> then run make
2014-06-10 00:38 <Melanie_> when make is done
2014-06-10 00:39 <Melanie_> do this
2014-06-10 00:39 <Melanie_> mkdir ../mono-install
2014-06-10 00:39 <Melanie_> pwd
2014-06-10 00:39 <Melanie_> note the directory
2014-06-10 00:39 <Melanie_> you need to have the full path for the next step
2014-06-10 00:40 <xso> k
2014-06-10 00:40 <Melanie_> DESTDIR=/path/to/mono-install make install
2014-06-10 00:40 <Melanie_> this will install a new system mono ready for you in that directory
2014-06-10 00:40 <Melanie_> now...
2014-06-10 00:40 <Melanie_> use yum/rpm to remove your system mono
2014-06-10 00:40 <Melanie_> once that is done, be sure you are root
2014-06-10 00:41 <Melanie_> so NOT use sudo, become the actual root
2014-06-10 00:41 <Melanie_> if you don't know your root password, use "sudo su -"
2014-06-10 00:41 <Melanie_> once you are root:
2014-06-10 00:41 <Melanie_> cd /path/to/mono-install
2014-06-10 00:41 <Melanie_> unalias cp
2014-06-10 00:41 <Melanie_> cp -a * /
2014-06-10 00:41 <Melanie_> be VERY careful
2014-06-10 00:42 <Melanie_> as this step can make a bug mess if not done right
2014-06-10 00:42 <Melanie_> you will then have 2.10 as your new system mono
2014-06-10 00:42 <nebadon_laptop> what is maintainer mode?
2014-06-10 00:42 <Melanie_> cretes some usefull additional stuff
2014-06-10 00:43 <Melanie_> configure likes it so much
2014-06-10 00:43 <Melanie_> if you don't give it, it will add it by itself
2014-06-10 00:43 <Melanie_> so, you run the commend line without it
2014-06-10 00:43 <Melanie_> and config.log will show it's been included anyway
2014-06-10 00:43 <xso> I ended up logging out and I am trying to find where I put the make install files
2014-06-10 00:43 <xso> :S
2014-06-10 00:44 <Melanie_> you don't need to worry about where your user space mono is
2014-06-10 00:44 <Melanie_> if you're finicky, go to your build dir and, befoe doing make clean, do make uninstall
2014-06-10 00:44 <xso> looking fore build directory, hold on u got a whole screen of instructions im going to catch up tysomuch
2014-06-10 00:46 <xso> ok make clean is running
2014-06-10 01:11 <xso> I am at DESTDIR
2014-06-10 01:12 <xso> can u give me an example? my current one is /usr/local is that improper?
2014-06-10 01:13 <xso> I am still ogged in as root is that accessable by another user?
2014-06-10 01:15 <xso> so it would be DESTDIR=/usr/local/src/mono-install
2014-06-10 01:19 <osmantis> Bug #7191:04 [BULLETSIM] exception with linkset on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7191 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-10 01:21 <xso> how do I remove the system mono with ym
2014-06-10 01:24 <Plugh> yum remove
2014-06-10 01:27 <xso> yum remove mono said it found no matches
2014-06-10 01:29 <Plugh> rpm -qa | grep mono 
2014-06-10 01:29 <Plugh> that will show you the names of mono packages you have installed.
2014-06-10 01:38 <xso> Melanie_: ?
2014-06-10 01:39 <Melanie_> yes?
2014-06-10 01:39 <Melanie_> rpm -qa | grep mono
2014-06-10 01:39 <Melanie_> then
2014-06-10 01:39 <Melanie_> rpm -e <package> as seen int he list
2014-06-10 01:40 <Melanie_> don't try to remove stuff with yum
2014-06-10 01:40 <Melanie_> it will give yu grief
2014-06-10 01:42 <xso>  rpm -qa | grep mono returns nothing
2014-06-10 01:43 <xso> mono --version is now back to 1.2
2014-06-10 01:46 <xso> http://xso-online.com/hmm.jpg
2014-06-10 01:52 <xso> I dunno why but it dosent say 2.10.8 anymore
2014-06-10 01:52 <xso> but it does say 1.2 again
2014-06-10 01:53 <xso> I am running make again and make install
2014-06-10 01:54 <xso> ok now it says 2.10.8 again
2014-06-10 01:56 <xso> http://xso-online.com/hmm.jpg updated
2014-06-10 02:01 <xso> http://xso-online.com/hmm2.jpg
2014-06-10 02:31 <xso> Awesome... I got it as the main Mono 
2014-06-10 02:32 <xso> I run Opensim and it works all the way to ask me what region I want it to be named
2014-06-10 02:32 <Melanie_> ok.
2014-06-10 02:32 <Melanie_> you're on
2014-06-10 02:32 <Melanie_> welcome to the community
2014-06-10 02:32 <Melanie_> ;P
2014-06-10 02:32 <Melanie_> took you long enough :)
2014-06-10 02:32 <xso> yes awesome, however I'm going to be installing it in robust mode so im not done yet :S
2014-06-10 02:33 <Melanie_> trivilal from here on out
2014-06-10 02:33 <xso> but I have already put a windows server on rubust mode
2014-06-10 02:33 <Melanie_> argh
2014-06-10 02:33 <Melanie_> you wound me
2014-06-10 02:33 <Melanie_> don't mention windows
2014-06-10 02:33 <Melanie_> ;P
2014-06-10 02:34 <xso> well I installed it in a location where I can edit via FTP anyways so just a matter of updating the files and running again right?
2014-06-10 02:34 <Melanie_> yup
2014-06-10 02:39 <xso> thanks so much Melanie
2014-06-10 03:12 <xso> http://xso-online.com/test.jpg
2014-06-10 03:12 <xso> I think I did the entire Robust config properly... any ideas?
2014-06-10 03:13 <xso> that is what I get when I run "mono OpenSim.exe"
2014-06-10 03:29 <dahlia> xso: looks like a config file problem. Also, it's probably a bad idea to run opensim as root
2014-06-10 03:30 <dahlia> a very bad idea
2014-06-10 04:20 <smxy> nebadon_laptop: ping
2014-06-10 04:21 <nebadon_laptop> hey smxy
2014-06-10 04:21 <smxy> hi, thanks
2014-06-10 04:22 <smxy> Okay, so I'm trying to replicate the problem my residents are having with HG visitors being Estate Managers and getting God mode.
2014-06-10 04:22 <smxy> I do have the settinng set for EMs to be god.
2014-06-10 04:22 <smxy> But when the HG EM tried to enter God mode, they get a message sayig they are *leaving* God mode and it is not entered into.
2014-06-10 04:23 <nebadon_laptop> odd
2014-06-10 04:23 <nebadon_laptop> and they werent in god mode from the grid they came from?
2014-06-10 04:23 <smxy> They told me this was happening for them and I was able to reproduce it myself.
2014-06-10 04:23 <smxy> No, I was not.
2014-06-10 04:23 <nebadon_laptop> hmm ok theoretically this should work I thought it did before
2014-06-10 04:24 <nebadon_laptop> have you tested with local users?
2014-06-10 04:24 <nebadon_laptop> adding a non grid god to the estate
2014-06-10 04:24 <smxy> yes, I added a non-grid god alt as an EM and he can become God just fine.
2014-06-10 04:24 <smxy> a local alt
2014-06-10 04:25 <nebadon_laptop> hmm ok maybe something changed a long the way with some of the better HG security
2014-06-10 04:25 <nebadon_laptop> I could have sworn this worked before
2014-06-10 04:25 <smxy> It seems to me that it should.
2014-06-10 04:26 <smxy> Now, if you are in God mode when you leave your grid, it seems to me you should lose it on entering another grid.
2014-06-10 04:26 <diva> god mode is a viewer-side thing
2014-06-10 04:26 <smxy> They told me that worked for one of them when going from Craft to some other grid, but I have not tested that myself.
2014-06-10 04:26 <nebadon_laptop> well sort of it is
2014-06-10 04:27 <diva> it's a way for the viewer to show you or hide certain menu options
2014-06-10 04:27 <nebadon_laptop> well there are server side god powers too
2014-06-10 04:27 <nebadon_laptop> would be very dangerous if we trusted the viewer
2014-06-10 04:27 <diva> yes, but they are relatively separate. To enter god mode you need to have god poweres, but from then on the viewer stays in god mode
2014-06-10 04:27 <smxy> My local EM can become God but my HG EM cannot.
2014-06-10 04:27 <nebadon_laptop> grid gods can do things normal users can not
2014-06-10 04:28 <nebadon_laptop> ah ya i see what you mean diva
2014-06-10 04:28 <diva> it's differernt
2014-06-10 04:28 <diva> server side the permissions are always checked
2014-06-10 04:28 <nebadon_laptop> any reason a HG user added as an estate manager when estate managers are allowed god powers why that wouldnt work?
2014-06-10 04:29 <diva> it shoold work
2014-06-10 04:29 <smxy> It doesn't. They get told they are leaving God mode when they try to enter god mode
2014-06-10 04:30 <diva> did they enter god mode in their grids?
2014-06-10 04:30 <smxy> no
2014-06-10 04:31 <smxy> I logged into my test grid, did not enter god mode, teleported to my main grid, where I am an HG EM and tried to enter god mode and was told I was leaving it. Just as my users experienced.
2014-06-10 04:32 <smxy> They were using Firestorm and I used Singularity, so it doesn't *seem* to be viewer specific.
2014-06-10 04:32 <diva> what happens if you enter god mode again?
2014-06-10 04:33 <smxy> Leaving god mode, level 0
2014-06-10 04:33 <diva> always?
2014-06-10 04:33 <smxy> yes
2014-06-10 04:33 <smxy> just tried several times
2014-06-10 04:36 <diva> yeah I see a check for local accounts there. let me see when it was placed there
2014-06-10 04:36 <smxy> ugh. If I say an EM can be God, it shouldn't matter if they are local or HG. :(
2014-06-10 04:37 <smxy> At least we know why it doesn't work. That's a start.
2014-06-10 04:38 <diva> it's an easy fix, but I should check with Melanie first, because I don't know all the implications of god mode
2014-06-10 04:38 <diva> can anyone request to enter god mode?
2014-06-10 04:38 <diva> (that's what the code looks like)
2014-06-10 04:39 <smxy> But this has a specifi if-you-are-an-estate-manager check first, or is supposed to.
2014-06-10 04:39 <smxy> and that EMs are allowed to be god, too
2014-06-10 04:39 <smxy> both have to be true in this case anyway
2014-06-10 04:41 <smxy> We shall wait to hear what she says, then. Thanks for checking it.
2014-06-10 04:41 <diva> well from looking at the code, it seems that the fix is straighforward
2014-06-10 04:42 <nebadon_laptop> ya anyone can try
2014-06-10 04:42 <diva> but Melanie should check tomorrow if she's not around today
2014-06-10 04:42 <smxy> doesn't mean they should get it necessarily
2014-06-10 04:42 <nebadon_laptop> ya definitely not, only people with user level 200+
2014-06-10 04:42 <smxy> well, that wouldn't be an HG visitor
2014-06-10 04:42 <nebadon_laptop> or those enabled to at the sim level
2014-06-10 04:42 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-06-10 04:43 <smxy> but my making them an EM and explicitly saying that EMs can become god should give it to them.
2014-06-10 04:43 <diva> from looking at the code, IsGod is being tested. I think IsGod incolves a number of possible things
2014-06-10 04:44 <diva> I believe this is your situation?
2014-06-10 04:44 <diva> if (IsEstateManager(user) && m_RegionManagerIsGod)
2014-06-10 04:45 <smxy> yes
2014-06-10 04:45 <diva> I'll push a fix. But you should check that it doesn't open holes
2014-06-10 04:45 <smxy> How do I do that. :)
2014-06-10 04:45 <smxy> I mean what should I try?
2014-06-10 04:46 <smxy> hmm
2014-06-10 04:46 <smxy> I'll make sure a non-EM HG can't be god
2014-06-10 04:47 <diva> ys
2014-06-10 04:47 <diva> yes
2014-06-10 04:47 <smxy> and I'll turn off Raallowing Ems to be god and make sure an HG EM cannot become one
2014-06-10 04:48 <smxy> Thanks. Building now. :)
2014-06-10 04:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #3637 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-10 04:51 <smxy> Do I need to update Robust or just the regions?
2014-06-10 04:52 <diva> region only
2014-06-10 04:52 <smxy> ok
2014-06-10 04:53 <smxy> okay. my HG EM can become God now.
2014-06-10 04:53 <smxy> Now I'll test the other two cases to be sure they can't.
2014-06-10 04:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3637: SUCCESS in 7 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3637/
2014-06-10 04:55 <osjenkins> diva: Let HG users be gods too, if they have local permission to be so.
2014-06-10 05:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #3638 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-10 05:12 <xso> what is a StandalioneHypergrid
2014-06-10 05:13 <xso> IslandOasis?
2014-06-10 05:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3638: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3638/
2014-06-10 05:13 <osjenkins> diva: Revert "Let HG users be gods too, if they have local permission to be so."
2014-06-10 05:21 <smxy> Well, it was worth a try. Thanks.
2014-06-10 05:42 <smxy> Does this look familiar? It's happening on my test grid. The config *looks* right ... http://pastebin.com/dKuCD41M
2014-06-10 06:16 <smxy> Diva, creating that account wiped out the original, it seems, as when I try to log it in it says user not found on the robust console.
2014-06-10 06:22 <smxy> No ... more like renamed it. I "created the original again and it still has its inventory, etc.
2014-06-10 06:27 <xso> how do I run Robust.exe and Opensim.exe at the same time using mono?
2014-06-10 06:28 <smxy> make two copies of the opensim bin dir and run one in each
2014-06-10 06:28 <smxy> There are ways to run both from one dir, but that's the simplest until you learn more.
2014-06-10 06:29 <xso> I can only access one program at a time via console on my dedicated server?
2014-06-10 06:30 <smxy> install and learn how to run screen
2014-06-10 06:30 <smxy> then run one in each screen window
2014-06-10 08:34 <osmantis> Bug #7202:04 Loading OAR Fails to restore parcel data 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7202 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-10 09:43 <osmantis> Bug #6603:04 Hypergrid Friends problems between my stand-alone and OSG grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6603 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-10 13:36 <AliciaRaven> mono never installs with out problems :(
2014-06-10 13:45 <AliciaRaven> bit early i know but are any mono experts awake yet?
2014-06-10 13:49 <smxy> Morning. Does any know why I'd be seeing this at login and then every 61 seconds after that? http://pastebin.com/dKuCD41M
2014-06-10 13:51 <AliciaRaven> looks like a problem with ur groups table maybe
2014-06-10 13:53 <smxy> It's empty.
2014-06-10 13:54 <AliciaRaven> u get a similar error (maybe that exact one) if opensim expects the colums in the table to be one thing, but they are something else
2014-06-10 13:54 <AliciaRaven> like if it tries to get a field that isnt in the table
2014-06-10 13:55 <AliciaRaven> if the table is empty, would deleting it cause opensim to recreate it? if so that could fix it
2014-06-10 13:56 <smxy> I compared a describe of the table against one in a grid that itsn't showwing this exception and they are the same.
2014-06-10 14:00 <Dev_Random> maybe it's because your table is empty, and the code expects at least one entry?
2014-06-10 14:01 <smxy> looking at a grid where it works, there are 10 group entries, all user created, which suggests that empty is how that started, so must be acceptable.
2014-06-10 14:02 <Dev_Random> or "was" acceptable before that change was committed.... heh
2014-06-10 14:02 <smxy> fair enough.
2014-06-10 14:02 <Dev_Random> I'm grasping... not looking at code
2014-06-10 14:02 <AliciaRaven> you dont have data in the other group tables do u? say if it thinks a group exists and tries to return the data
2014-06-10 14:03 <smxy> they are all empty.
2014-06-10 14:03 <smxy> I thought of that earlier. They weren't empty, so I emptied them all.
2014-06-10 14:04 <smxy> no change
2014-06-10 14:04 <smxy> let me try making one
2014-06-10 14:05 <AliciaRaven> maybe there is some ref to a group causing it to try to read the table, a prim or land deeded somewhere?
2014-06-10 14:05 <smxy> Hmm: Unable to create group. Unknown method.
2014-06-10 14:06 <AliciaRaven> would expect that to be config related
2014-06-10 14:07 <smxy> I've compared this grids settings to a working grid and I couldn't find anything wrong, but I shall look again.
2014-06-10 14:08 <AliciaRaven> Dev_Random, u any good with mono problems?
2014-06-10 14:09 <AliciaRaven> one server updated fine, the next wouldnt build
2014-06-10 14:10 <nebadon_laptop> what is the problem exactly?
2014-06-10 14:10 <Dev_Random> AlicaiRaven: I'm a mono noob
2014-06-10 14:10 <AliciaRaven> hi nebadon
2014-06-10 14:10 <AliciaRaven> http://www.spellscape.co.uk/alicia/MonoSnafoo.gif
2014-06-10 14:11 <AliciaRaven> calling it a snafoo so i dont swear anymore over it lol
2014-06-10 14:12 <AliciaRaven> the server that was ok has 3.0.7 this one that is been a pita is on 2.10.8 which will have something to do with the problem i expect
2014-06-10 14:13 <smxy> Aside from having a different name, DB and ports, I can find nothng different between the grid that doesn't have the exception and the one that does.
2014-06-10 14:13 <smxy> And it's "SNAFU". :)
2014-06-10 14:13 <Dev_Random> F = "fouled"
2014-06-10 14:13 <smxy> In the clean version. :)
2014-06-10 14:14 <AliciaRaven> lol
2014-06-10 14:22 <nebadon_laptop> what version of mono is this and what operating system?
2014-06-10 14:22 <AliciaRaven> ubuntu
2014-06-10 14:22 <smxy> I updated the grid and I'm still getting that exception. Sigh.
2014-06-10 14:22 <AliciaRaven> the problem one is going from 2.10.8 to master
2014-06-10 14:23 <zadark_afk> AliciaRaven: That error occurs when you attempt to build mono 3.6 with 2.10 compiler
2014-06-10 14:23 <AliciaRaven> the other server 3.0.7 to master built fine, no problems
2014-06-10 14:23 <AliciaRaven> i also tried using the mono bootstrap which was 3 something
2014-06-10 14:24 <zadark_afk> do make get-monolite-latest from within the new build
2014-06-10 14:25 <AliciaRaven> i tried that, still failed
2014-06-10 14:25 <zadark_afk> that will download and install the latest mcs
2014-06-10 14:25 <zadark_afk> then, run make like this: make EXTERNAL_MCS=${PWD}/mcs/class/lib/monolite/gmcs.exe
2014-06-10 14:26 <AliciaRaven> yes, tried it, didnt work
2014-06-10 14:26 <zadark_afk> just before the error you pastebin, it says what mcs is being used?
2014-06-10 14:28 <AliciaRaven> setting the external path to mono lite said it was 3.0.1 i think
2014-06-10 14:29 <zadark_afk> the error you pastebin, you need to scroll back more, to when mcs is used
2014-06-10 14:30 <AliciaRaven> its an image, dont have the text log, or dont know where to look for it
2014-06-10 14:31 <AliciaRaven> im looking for the instructions i followed for that part
2014-06-10 14:32 <zadark_afk> Is this a git clone you are attempting to build?
2014-06-10 14:32 <AliciaRaven> yes
2014-06-10 14:32 <zadark_afk> then within that clone you should find /mcs/class/lib/monolite/gmcs.exe ?
2014-06-10 14:33 <zadark_afk> If make get-monolite-latest has done its job
2014-06-10 14:33 <AliciaRaven> sudo make get-monolite-latest
2014-06-10 14:33 <AliciaRaven> cd mcs/class/lib/monolite
2014-06-10 14:33 <AliciaRaven> cp basic.exe gmcs.exe
2014-06-10 14:33 <AliciaRaven> cd ~/mono
2014-06-10 14:33 <AliciaRaven> sudo make EXTERNAL_MCS="${PWD}/mcs/class/lib/monolite/gmcs.exe"
2014-06-10 14:34 <AliciaRaven> thats what i used to build using monolite after having problems i thought it was because my mono was too old
2014-06-10 14:34 <AliciaRaven> it started building, said the version was 3 something, but still failed
2014-06-10 14:35 <zadark_afk> It failed for with the same message as your paste bin, using the new mcs fixed that
2014-06-10 14:36 <AliciaRaven> i will try again
2014-06-10 14:39 <zadark_afk> To ensure the sources clean, I used make maintainer-clean, before make EXTERNAL_MCS=${PWD}/mcs/class/lib/monolite/gmcs.exe
2014-06-10 14:48 <AliciaRaven> building...
2014-06-10 14:54 <frnic> smxy, is there a reason to update to mono 3.6.x? I see that their website download is at 3.4.0 so I assume 3.6.x is from git?
2014-06-10 14:55 <AliciaRaven> zadark_afk, same error, it said bootstrap compiler was 3.6.1
2014-06-10 14:57 <zadark_afk> AliciaRaven: bummer, only thing I can suggest now is the is some residual from  previous attempts.
2014-06-10 14:58 <AliciaRaven> k thanks, might need to delete the git directory, pull code again and use the bootstrap first time
2014-06-10 14:58 <zadark_afk> That is what I would do.
2014-06-10 14:59 <zadark_afk> Also I pulled master and used git checkout to select the branch
2014-06-10 14:59 <AliciaRaven> i did find this post on github about the same error, https://github.com/mono/mono/pull/1050
2014-06-10 15:31 <AliciaRaven> mono sux, clean pull from git, make with the bootstrap monolite and same error
2014-06-10 15:33 <nebadon_laptop> really odd AliciaRaven ive never had this kind of trouble you are
2014-06-10 15:33 <nebadon_laptop> even on Ubuntu, Ubuntu has always been straight forward for me
2014-06-10 15:39 <AliciaRaven> my other server has same version of ubuntu and that built ok
2014-06-10 15:39 <AliciaRaven> dunno whats different on this one
2014-06-10 15:39 <nebadon_laptop> all system updates installed?
2014-06-10 15:39 <nebadon_laptop> same kernel etc..?
2014-06-10 15:39 <AliciaRaven> yes
2014-06-10 15:39 <nebadon_laptop> also your 100% sure all pre-reqs?
2014-06-10 15:39 <nebadon_laptop> same repositories etc..?
2014-06-10 15:40 <AliciaRaven> same repos, might be a prereq, but usualy it says if something is missing at the start
2014-06-10 15:40 <nebadon_laptop> not really
2014-06-10 15:40 <nebadon_laptop> not with mono anyway
2014-06-10 15:41 <AliciaRaven> it has all the ones listed on ur page
2014-06-10 15:41 <nebadon_laptop> are you following my instructions?
2014-06-10 15:41 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-06-10 15:41 <nebadon_laptop> then should be ok
2014-06-10 15:41 <AliciaRaven> no, just the list of prereqs from urs
2014-06-10 15:41 <nebadon_laptop> so the big difference is the core mono?
2014-06-10 15:41 <AliciaRaven> http://www.mono-project.com/Compiling_Mono_From_Git
2014-06-10 15:42 <AliciaRaven> think so, but this one im trying to use monolite bootstrap and still not working
2014-06-10 15:42 <nebadon_laptop> have you tred my instructions?
2014-06-10 15:43 <AliciaRaven> nope, will give it ago now, not much different from that page tho
2014-06-10 15:46 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: What error are you running into building mono from git repo?
2014-06-10 15:46 <AliciaRaven> Plugh: http://www.spellscape.co.uk/alicia/MonoSnafoo.gif
2014-06-10 15:47 <Plugh> hm...
2014-06-10 15:48 <nebadon_laptop> are you compiling as root or user?
2014-06-10 15:48 <AliciaRaven> root
2014-06-10 15:49 <Plugh> I have been able to build git master on CentOS. 
2014-06-10 15:50 <nebadon_laptop> its really strange because Ubuntu is usually very easy
2014-06-10 15:50 <AliciaRaven> i built it on another machine, same os version
2014-06-10 15:53 <zadark_afk> AliciaRaven:  from https://github.com/mono/mono/pull/1050 suggests the issue fixed as of 23 may
2014-06-10 15:53 <Plugh> Yesterday I was able to build an RPM of libgdiplus that I installed and is being used to in the building of mono. 
2014-06-10 15:54 <zadark_afk> Don't think libgdiplus required to build mono, only to run opensim
2014-06-10 15:55 <AliciaRaven> zadark_afk, looks to me like the issue was closed on that date but only because the dev rejected the posters explanation of the cause not because it was fixed
2014-06-10 15:55 <Plugh> The mono build process reports on whether it things it is installed when it finishes ./configure
2014-06-10 15:55 <Plugh> s/things/thinks/
2014-06-10 15:56 <zadark_afk> k
2014-06-10 15:56 <nebadon_laptop> yes but the order doesnt matter
2014-06-10 15:56 <nebadon_laptop> you dont need Libgdiplus for mono
2014-06-10 15:56 <nebadon_laptop> if you notice the message says something about assuming that the libgdiplus stuff is in place
2014-06-10 15:57 <nebadon_laptop> its not a requirement of mono though
2014-06-10 15:57 <Plugh> It is required when using Windows.Forms.
2014-06-10 15:57 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2014-06-10 15:57 <nebadon_laptop> or image handling in general
2014-06-10 15:57 <Plugh> I have it whether I really need it or not. :)
2014-06-10 15:58 <nebadon_laptop> ya opensim does need it for something
2014-06-10 15:58 <Plugh> ok, I did a pull and compiled mono without error. Just a bunch of warnings about stuff like names that don't match the imported names, or something like that.
2014-06-10 15:59 <smxy> did you get your issue resolved, AliciaRaven?
2014-06-10 15:59 <AliciaRaven> smxy, nope still trying
2014-06-10 15:59 <smxy> Ah. I'm still stumped with mine too. I cannot find anything wrong that's causing that spew every 61 seconds.
2014-06-10 15:59 <smxy> :(
2014-06-10 15:59 <smxy> Good luck with yours.
2014-06-10 16:00 <Plugh> smxy: you are having run time issues?
2014-06-10 16:00 <AliciaRaven> ty smxy, u too
2014-06-10 16:01 <smxy> I'm getting spew from the groups handler on my test grid
2014-06-10 16:01 <smxy> This, every 61 seconds an avatar is logged in: http://pastebin.com/dKuCD41M
2014-06-10 16:01 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: FWIW, after cloning the mono repo, I cd'ed in to it and ran -> make get-monolite-latest
2014-06-10 16:02 <Plugh> that let me build it. I didn't check out any specific branch. Just built HEAD.
2014-06-10 16:02 <Plugh> ie. the default code it had from the clone process.
2014-06-10 16:02 <AliciaRaven> same here Plugh, still not working for me
2014-06-10 16:02 <Plugh> oh
2014-06-10 16:02 <Plugh> What OS are you on?
2014-06-10 16:02 <AliciaRaven> ubuntu
2014-06-10 16:02 <Plugh> ok
2014-06-10 16:02 <smxy> missing or incorrectly versioned dependency, perhaps?
2014-06-10 16:03 <smxy> That was to AliciaRaven
2014-06-10 16:03 <AliciaRaven> already updated one server to master mono and that was ok, cant see whats different about this one
2014-06-10 16:03 <Plugh> smxy: That might be an issue but you would expect that to be picked up during ./configure
2014-06-10 16:03 <AliciaRaven> not unless neb has missed a dependancy from his guide
2014-06-10 16:04 <nebadon_laptop> that could very well be possible
2014-06-10 16:05 <Plugh> Any other needed items should be reported by ./configure unless they forgot some tests.
2014-06-10 16:05 <smxy> That's unlikely.
2014-06-10 16:06 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-06-10 16:06 <Plugh> 
ACTION tries to remember the rpm command to list installed packages in order of install date

2014-06-10 16:08 <Plugh> ah, --last
2014-06-10 16:09 <smxy> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/68122/how-to-list-rpm-packages-installed-in-order-of-installation-date
2014-06-10 16:09 <smxy> I just pasted your comment right into google. :)
2014-06-10 16:10 <Plugh> smxy: I just looked through the man page then check rpm -q --help. :)
2014-06-10 16:12 <smxy> That works too.
2014-06-10 16:13 <smxy> RTFM, FTW. :)
2014-06-10 16:15 <Plugh> hehe, yup.
2014-06-10 16:15 <Plugh> Been ages since I've done this type of stuff with an rpm based system.
2014-06-10 16:15 <Plugh> Still remember some of the commands
2014-06-10 16:16 <Plugh> Just realized I need to lookup how to set some packager information when building rpm files.
2014-06-10 16:17 <Plugh> CentOS seems a limited distro. Lots of stuff isn't in its default repo
2014-06-10 16:18 <smxy> It's RHEL, which is hardly limited.
2014-06-10 16:19 <Plugh> No mono packages, no gparted.
2014-06-10 16:19 <Plugh> No libgdiplus
2014-06-10 16:20 <Plugh> If it is RHEL I should check what is in that other repo
2014-06-10 16:20 <smxy> Look in EPEL.
2014-06-10 16:20 <Plugh> RIght. that one.
2014-06-10 16:20 <smxy> That's where I go for most of my extra stuff.
2014-06-10 16:21 <Plugh> ah I see -> CentOS has joined forces with Red Hat
2014-06-10 16:21 <smxy> Well, they always were RHEL, just rebranded. But yes, they are now working more closely together.
2014-06-10 16:22 <AllenKerensky> yes CentOS is a community support testbed of some "enterprise-focused" apps - now with Red Hat engineer support - while Fedora stays out in front as the "wild west" testing platform
2014-06-10 16:22 <Plugh> Fedora used to be the testbed for RedHat
2014-06-10 16:22 <smxy> It still is.
2014-06-10 16:22 <AllenKerensky> as a spectrum - Fedora/Fedora.Next will be cloud, server, and workstation testbeds - and those engineers work with CentOS and Red Hat
2014-06-10 16:22 <Plugh> smxy, are you using EL6 or EL7?
2014-06-10 16:23 <smxy> 6. I haven't tried 7 yet, but will be. At least as soon as XenServer will run it.
2014-06-10 16:23 <AllenKerensky> CentOS will be "closer" to the RHEL version - but community supported testing of things longer term and more enterprise focused
2014-06-10 16:24 <smxy> XS may run it now - I just haven't tried.
2014-06-10 16:24 <smxy> Technically, it doesn't support 6.5 yet - only up to 6.4, but 6.5 runs fine.
2014-06-10 16:25 <Plugh> EPEL is worth while to have. It has packaged versions of gparted and mono.
2014-06-10 16:26 <smxy> I told you, two days ago, to install the mono from epel and then use it to build a newer mono, Plugh. :)
2014-06-10 16:26 <Plugh> I wasn't sure about using some other repo I didn't know anything about.
2014-06-10 16:26 <AllenKerensky> just FYI - I've been running the Fedora 21 proposed Mono 3.4 packages on Fedora 20, and OpenSim master builds and runs pretty well on it
2014-06-10 16:27 <smxy> AllenKerensky: nebadon_laptop and I are running 3.6.1 and it works fine too.
2014-06-10 16:27 <AllenKerensky> oh cool
2014-06-10 16:28 <AllenKerensky> are you getting build warnings? with 3.4 I see just over 100 build warnings when I rebuild
2014-06-10 16:29 <smxy> [ste@sa5 ~]$ build2 coreOS s
2014-06-10 16:29 <smxy>          144 Warning(s)
2014-06-10 16:29 <smxy>          0 Error(s)
2014-06-10 16:29 <smxy> Time Elapsed 00:01:12.0866320
2014-06-10 16:29 <AllenKerensky> so about the same then - not bad
2014-06-10 16:32 <Plugh> lunch time. bbl.
2014-06-10 17:07 <xso> Someone said its a bad idea for me to run Robust as root, but when I run it as the intended user I get a permission warning in the robust console... when I run as root I do not... the opensim directory is located in the user's home directory
2014-06-10 17:07 <Plugh> updated git mono and build now breaks because it can't find vasprintf.h
2014-06-10 17:07 <Plugh> what is the perm warning you get?
2014-06-10 17:08 <xso> hold on I need to get it again console just crashed
2014-06-10 17:09 <Plugh> k
2014-06-10 17:10 <Plugh> hm... git master is building. Must be an issue with the .spec file
2014-06-10 17:14 <xso> Add-in cache directory could not be created - is denied
2014-06-10 17:16 <xso> I imagine the directory had the proper permissions, I made the opensim directory through an FTP with the user I wanted to run it
2014-06-10 17:18 <xso> its not the only problem it seems though, http://xso-online.com/console.jpg
2014-06-10 17:18 <xso> I used to have colored text also but for some reason that all went away
2014-06-10 17:20 <Plugh> hm...is that the maddin directory? I've seen issues with it before.
2014-06-10 17:21 <Plugh> check the ownership/perms on the addin-db-001 and addin-data directories and the files in addin-data.
2014-06-10 17:22 <xso> what should they be set to? 700?
2014-06-10 17:26 <Plugh> that might work but you have to look at who owns the files.
2014-06-10 17:26 <Plugh> You want the files and directories to have perms for the user who is running Robust.
2014-06-10 17:26 <Plugh> bah. make dist missed vasprintf.h
2014-06-10 18:07 <Plugh> Fixed the 'make dist'. Soon as I make a new mono tarball I can try again to build the 3.6.1 RPM
2014-06-10 18:52 <xso> UnauthorizedAccess Exception to the path /home is denied
2014-06-10 18:52 <xso> crashes when running Opensim.exe after robust is launched
2014-06-10 18:54 <nebadon_laptop> i doubt your user has ability to write to /home
2014-06-10 18:54 <nebadon_laptop> you must have configuration wrong some where
2014-06-10 18:54 <nebadon_laptop> opensim is trying to write to a folder it doesnt have permissions to write to
2014-06-10 18:55 <nebadon_laptop> only root would have access to /home
2014-06-10 18:58 <Plugh> Anyone here know how to use parted to partition drives on a machine running CentOS?
2014-06-10 18:59 <nebadon_laptop> parted is pretty easy to use
2014-06-10 18:59 <Plugh> You would think so.
2014-06-10 18:59 <nebadon_laptop> I would imagine its the same regardless of linux really
2014-06-10 18:59 <nebadon_laptop> though i am way less familiar with centos 
2014-06-10 18:59 <nebadon_laptop> your using GUI version or command line?
2014-06-10 18:59 <Plugh> mkpart is supposed to create partitions without a file system. What happens? It creates the new extended  partition with ext3.
2014-06-10 19:00 <nebadon_laptop> oh
2014-06-10 19:00 <nebadon_laptop> heh
2014-06-10 19:00 <Plugh> Remote machine so can't currently run the gui.
2014-06-10 19:00 <nebadon_laptop> ya ive only used the GUI parted
2014-06-10 19:00 <nebadon_laptop> which is pretty straight forward
2014-06-10 19:00 <Plugh> I usually use gparted for partitioning.
2014-06-10 19:00 <nebadon_laptop> command line always complicates stuff
2014-06-10 19:00 <Plugh> I've partitioned with fdisk and that isn't a big deal.
2014-06-10 19:01 <Plugh> WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sda'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted.
2014-06-10 19:01 <Plugh> so I'm stuck again using something new.
2014-06-10 19:04 <Plugh> when I mkpart to make a second local partition of type ext3 it tells me it can't make ext3 partitions yet it did it when it wasn't support to make a file system.
2014-06-10 19:05 <AliciaRaven> yay managed to install 3.2.2 atleased now
2014-06-10 19:05 <nebadon_laptop> interesting
2014-06-10 19:06 <Plugh> wtf???
2014-06-10 19:06 <nebadon_laptop> wonder if now with 3.2.2 you can install 3.6.1
2014-06-10 19:06 <AliciaRaven> hope so
2014-06-10 19:06 <nebadon_laptop> ya Plugh that is odd for sure, linux hardware can be very frustrating hehe
2014-06-10 19:06 <nebadon_laptop> GPT is also a pain in the ass sometimes too
2014-06-10 19:06 <nebadon_laptop> especially on windows
2014-06-10 19:07 <nebadon_laptop> lots of old tools dont support GPT
2014-06-10 19:07 <nebadon_laptop> im assuming this is a 3 or 4tb drive your working with
2014-06-10 19:08 <Plugh> 3TB
2014-06-10 19:08 <nebadon_laptop> ya PITA
2014-06-10 19:08 <Plugh> So I discovered.
2014-06-10 19:09 <Plugh> np. I'll just make the fs from the command line outside of parted.
2014-06-10 19:11 <nebadon_laptop> GPT support in windows 8 is actually good
2014-06-10 19:11 <nebadon_laptop> in windows 7 it was more of a pain
2014-06-10 19:25 <Plugh> does GPT have the four standard partition limit?
2014-06-10 19:29 <lkalif> you need uefi bios to boot from gpt
2014-06-10 19:30 <Plugh> Booting isn't a problem. I'm just deciding how I want to split up the 2.9TB remaining on the drive.
2014-06-10 19:30 <smxy> Just throw it all in /
2014-06-10 19:30 <smxy> :P
2014-06-10 19:30 <smxy> j/k
2014-06-10 19:31 <Plugh> hehe... I didn't of just have 26G / and the rest under /home.
2014-06-10 19:31 <Plugh> um.... try that again.
2014-06-10 19:31 <Plugh> I put 26G in / and thought about just leaving the remaining 2.6TB as one parition.
2014-06-10 19:31 <lkalif> i partition: 1GB /boot, some swap and rest /
2014-06-10 19:32 <Plugh> boot and swap already exist although swap needs to be moved. It was placed at the end of the hd.
2014-06-10 19:32 <smxy> Generally it's bad form to put it all in / as a DOS could make your logs fill it up and crash the server. Better to put the space elsewhere.
2014-06-10 19:33 <lkalif> smxy: nice theor
2014-06-10 19:33 <lkalif> +y
2014-06-10 19:33 <lkalif> in practice partitioning / from the rest ends up being gigantic PITA
2014-06-10 19:33 <Plugh> I separate out the main OS stuff in to / and use separate partitions for the other stuff.
2014-06-10 19:33 <smxy> Not a theory. Accepted SysAdmin practice.
2014-06-10 19:34 <lkalif> smxy: bullshit
2014-06-10 19:34 <lkalif> there is no such thing
2014-06-10 19:34 <lkalif> Every BOFH has his own way
2014-06-10 19:34 <Plugh> I've had a case where couldn't log in as a use because / had filled up. Could only log in as root.
2014-06-10 19:34 <Plugh> s/use/user/
2014-06-10 19:35 <smxy> Actually, there is. See "The Practice of System and Network Administration". 2nd Ed., by Limoncelli, Hogan and Chalup.
2014-06-10 19:35 <lkalif> bullshit
2014-06-10 19:40 <Plugh> parted is really messed up. 
2014-06-10 19:42 <Plugh> Every partition shows as ext3 after I make it. 
2014-06-10 19:42 <Plugh> Can't even make a swap partition.
2014-06-10 19:46 <smxy> Disclaimer: Limoncelli and I are former coworkers. We worked at Bell Labs, as the SysAdmins for the gentlemen who wrote UNIX, so we do actually know a bit about what we speak of.
2014-06-10 19:49 <frnic> @smxy - oh, yeah, like knowing something means anything on the internet - it is vastly more important to be able to quickly respond with a witty insult.
2014-06-10 19:50 <dahlia> or just troll if you cant come up with a witty insult 
2014-06-10 19:50 <frnic> :)
2014-06-10 19:51 <lkalif> should we compare resumes? and measure dicks while we're at it?
2014-06-10 19:51 <smxy> The difference is I have one and you're being one. :)
2014-06-10 19:51 <smxy> A dick, that is.
2014-06-10 19:52 <smxy> Anyway, I have to get back to work. TTFN.
2014-06-10 19:52 <lkalif> There is no one-size-fits-all partitioning scheme, no matter what resume you throw at it
2014-06-10 19:52 <lkalif> if you claim there is you just prove the lack of experience
2014-06-10 19:52 <smxy> I never said there was. Just that it was bad form to put it all in / and I explained why.
2014-06-10 19:53 <lkalif> "bad form" is something people without a clue use a lot
2014-06-10 19:53 <lkalif> like "goto is bad"
2014-06-10 19:53 <lkalif> while goto can be quite good
2014-06-10 19:53 <Plugh> I haven't used goto since I last used BASIC
2014-06-10 19:54 <Plugh> stupid parted. It asked me what filesystem type. I say ext3 and it shows file system as an empty string.
2014-06-10 19:54 <Plugh> oh, well.
2014-06-10 19:56 <frnic> I see the channel has gotten a bit more entertaining since I last visited :)
2014-06-10 19:57 <dahlia> on rare occasion 
2014-06-10 19:57 <lkalif> there are 4 gotos in Radegast code ;)
2014-06-10 19:57 <dahlia> I cant remember the last time I used a goto
2014-06-10 19:57 <lkalif> in c# you use goto to jump tp a next switch / case
2014-06-10 19:58 <dahlia> I usually write them to fall thru
2014-06-10 19:58 <frnic> goto's are not evil, just like nukes are not evil - it is all in what you do with them. Understanding why and where a goto can cause maintenance issues is far more important that some blanket rule.
2014-06-10 19:59 <frnic> Personally, I prefer not to use goto's myself, but I don't care if I see one used in a way that will not result in maint issues.
2014-06-10 20:00 <lkalif> https://github.com/radegastdev/radegast/blob/master/Radegast/Core/Types/StringTokenizer.cs#L191
2014-06-10 20:00 <dahlia> I *try* and write code such that it's readable and understandable because I'm long past the age where I remember every line of code I wrote and I'll probably be the one who needs to fix it when it breaks
2014-06-10 20:00 <lkalif> see goto ReadToken ;)
2014-06-10 20:01 <lkalif> dahlia: you cannot fallthru in c# except for an empty case
2014-06-10 20:02 <dahlia> lkalif: I use other languages occasionally :)
2014-06-10 20:02 <lkalif> just saying in c# you have to "goto case foo;"
2014-06-10 20:05 <Plugh> I recently saw a really stupid use of goto in an LSL script
2014-06-10 20:06 <Plugh> if condition is false, goto line after the next one instead of just doing if condition is true do the next line.
2014-06-10 20:06 <Plugh> I need to go out. I'll have to give up on parted for now.
2014-06-10 20:06 <Plugh> You read its own help page, feed it what it says and it still screws up the filesystem entry.
2014-06-10 20:07 <dahlia> partitioning is a PITA
2014-06-10 20:07 <Plugh> First time doing it for gpt type. I usually have little trouble if I can use fdisk or gparted.
2014-06-10 20:08 <Plugh> I have 12 partitions on my own machine.
2014-06-10 20:08 <dahlia> ya fdisk was easy
2014-06-10 20:08 <Plugh> :)
2014-06-10 20:08 <dahlia> I hate partitions
2014-06-10 20:08 <Plugh> they can be a pain. You usually find out later that a partition is no longer big enough
2014-06-10 20:09 <Plugh> gparted was helpful dealing with that.
2014-06-10 20:09 <smxy> LVM helps with that too.
2014-06-10 20:09 <dahlia> I have a habit of typing "df" often
2014-06-10 20:09 <Plugh> yea. The concept of making "partitions" in a partition using LVM seems strange. How can they really do that?
2014-06-10 20:09 <lkalif> df -h .
2014-06-10 20:09 <Plugh> dahlia: logwatch can save you from that. 
2014-06-10 20:10 <Plugh> get daily report that includes disk space info
2014-06-10 20:10 <dahlia> meh df works
2014-06-10 20:10 <Plugh> :)
2014-06-10 20:10 <lkalif> df -h is better :P
2014-06-10 20:11 <lkalif> I can't read 7 digits ints easily
2014-06-10 20:11 <dahlia> I also type "vi" instead of "vim" :P
2014-06-10 20:12 <dahlia> or "emacs" (ewwww)
2014-06-10 20:15 <smxy> emacs is a tool of torture.
2014-06-10 20:15 <frnic> bbedit rules
2014-06-10 20:15 <frnic> although I will occassionally use vim
2014-06-10 20:16 <smxy> Try Sam on Plan 9 sometime, if you really want to be a masochist.
2014-06-10 20:16 <lkalif> I use cacti to graph snmp data including disk space like http://krug.dk/cacti/graph_view.php?action=tree&tree_id=1&leaf_id=13
2014-06-10 20:16 <frnic> nice thing about retirement - I don't have to use what my employer says to use :)
2014-06-10 20:19 <smxy> Now that RHEL7 was released today, I wonder when we'll see a CentOS 7?
2014-06-10 20:19 <smxy> Soon, I hope.
2014-06-10 20:19 <AllenKerensky> yeah it will likely get sooner since the engineering teams now work together directly
2014-06-10 20:19 <AllenKerensky> it used to be a while to rebuild and repackage from SRPMs
2014-06-10 20:21 <smxy> As for CentOS 7, it’s currently working its way through our build process. As we have updates you’ll be able to follow them here at seven.centos.org. We’ll post updates as regularly as we can to help keep everyone current on the progress.
2014-06-10 20:22 -!- Rand_Blinker(~chatzilla@75-120-147-26.dyn.centurytel.net) has left #opensim-dev
2014-06-10 20:23 <smxy> They are making git access to their sources available.
2014-06-10 20:23 <smxy> Interesting.
2014-06-10 20:24 <AllenKerensky> probably to help push new docker and geard integration
2014-06-10 20:24 <smxy> http://seven.centos.org/2014/06/getting-the-sources-for-centos-7/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=getting-the-sources-for-centos-7
2014-06-10 21:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #3639 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-10 21:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3639: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3639/
2014-06-10 21:40 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add rc3 flavour option
2014-06-10 21:41 <lkalif> I hear rc3 is delicious and fruity :)
2014-06-10 21:41 <diva> hi justincc. How are you planning to do merge between the post-fixes and head for the release? There's at least a couple of fixes that I would like to port, but I was waiting to talk to you before doing it
2014-06-10 21:42 <diva> are you going to cherry-pick or just merge the whole thing?
2014-06-10 21:43 <justincc> I'm now cherry picking, no more straight up merging.  If you look at your e-mail you'll see the commits I did just pick
2014-06-10 21:43 <diva> email?
2014-06-10 21:44 <justincc> are you subcribed to the commits e-mail list?
2014-06-10 21:44 <diva> no. what is that?
2014-06-10 21:44 <diva> how do I subscribe?
2014-06-10 21:44 <justincc> it's a mailman list that e-mails out every commit from git
2014-06-10 21:44 <diva> @opensimulator.org?
2014-06-10 21:45 <diva> oh google found it
2014-06-10 21:45 <diva> actually the link on the wiki is dead
2014-06-10 21:45 <diva> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/opensim-commits
2014-06-10 21:46 <diva> hmmm where is the list?
2014-06-10 21:46 <lkalif> github mirror will give you a nice list of commits https://github.com/opensim/opensim/commits/master
2014-06-10 21:46 <justincc> my firefox is losing its head a bit, just amoment
2014-06-10 21:47 <justincc> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-commits
2014-06-10 21:47 <diva> found it
2014-06-10 21:47 <diva> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-commits
2014-06-10 21:47 <justincc> I'm really at the stage now where i want to be extreme cautious about further adds, otherwise this thing is never going to be released or runs the risk of having some bug in it
2014-06-10 21:47 <justincc> A regression I mean.  Of course, it has tons of buigs
2014-06-10 21:47 <diva> sounds good. let me see which ones you picked
2014-06-10 21:49 <justincc> ok.  I wa shoping to crank out rc3 tonight but I may have run out of time anyway
2014-06-10 21:50 <smxy> You did get in the other day's graceful refusal to allow folks to tp to big regions from old code, right?
2014-06-10 21:50 <diva> ok cool you picked the one for preventing TPs to var regions from earlier sims
2014-06-10 21:50 <smxy> :)
2014-06-10 21:50 <diva> that one was important
2014-06-10 21:50 <justincc> yeah, I thnk that's an important one and worth the risk
2014-06-10 21:50 <diva> ok, I'm all good with what's there
2014-06-10 21:51 <justincc> thanks diva.  It's always a bit of a compromise but when this release is out I want to be able to move on
2014-06-10 21:51 <justincc> don't wan tto have to circle back to fix some regression if at all possible
2014-06-10 21:52 <smxy> When the release is cut, will Melanie be able to finish her crossing code commits?
2014-06-10 21:52 <justincc> well, the time limit I asked for before anythign major was done has long since expired
2014-06-10 21:52 <justincc> but iof course, it's still helpful if things are relatively stable until its out
2014-06-10 21:52 <diva> let's release already!
2014-06-10 21:53 <justincc> I'm going to do rc3, and if nothing crops up in a short timeframe it will become the release
2014-06-10 21:53 <lkalif> she's waiting for the 2nd anniversary of the promise to merge that code :P
2014-06-10 21:53 <justincc> but I really wanted misterblue's linkset fix in but don't want to chance that there' abug with it
2014-06-10 21:54 <smxy> Had anyone noticed that ODE spews out tons of stuff, on startup, that it never used to?
2014-06-10 21:54 <smxy> Has*
2014-06-10 21:54 <diva> smxy Melanie's code is a different story. AVN code has diverged from opensim sufficiently that she has stopped merging on her side. Which means that if we want to get her goodies someone needs to do the extra work of making the 2 code bases compatible again...
2014-06-10 21:55 <smxy> Well, she isn't going to just leave it half done, is she?
2014-06-10 21:56 <Melanie_T> i'm hoping to find some help to do it
2014-06-10 21:56 <Melanie_T> i'm not "hands off", i haven't _stopped_
2014-06-10 21:56 <smxy> So, she's basically a fork now, then?
2014-06-10 21:56 <Melanie_T> but i lack the time to do it alone
2014-06-10 21:56 <smxy> Oh, Hi.
2014-06-10 21:56 <Melanie_T> avn has always been a fork
2014-06-10 21:56 <Melanie_T> but a friendly and close one
2014-06-10 21:56 <Melanie_T> i want to keep it that way
2014-06-10 21:57 <lkalif> for some values of "friendly2
2014-06-10 21:57 <diva> lkalif don't throw darts :) It's friendly
2014-06-10 21:57 <Melanie_T> don't feed the troll
2014-06-10 21:57 <diva> we just made way too many changes last year prior to OSCC
2014-06-10 21:57 <diva> and she didn'tr catch up
2014-06-10 21:58 <lkalif> this merge was coming from about this time last year
2014-06-10 21:58 <smxy> Okay. but a lot of people are waiting for what she started to be finished.
2014-06-10 21:58 <diva> smxy do you want to do it?
2014-06-10 21:59 <diva> or grade my courses?
2014-06-10 21:59 <lkalif> how can smxy do it?
2014-06-10 21:59 <diva> or take care of community management in avination?
2014-06-10 21:59 <Melanie_T> you'd probably be happy enough if someone took the teaching work off your plate
2014-06-10 21:59 <smxy> That wasn'tmeant to sound accusatorial. Sorry.
2014-06-10 21:59 <diva> just sayingwe're all way too busy
2014-06-10 21:59 <lkalif> it's not like it's opensource and the first able body can dig in ;)
2014-06-10 22:00 <diva> it's all a matter of resources or lack thereof
2014-06-10 22:00 <smxy> I am concerned that the work and changes for this year's conference will make finishing it even more difficult, though.
2014-06-10 22:00 <diva> I go through periods where I have zero time for opensim. Then other periods where it's all fun and code
2014-06-10 22:01 <smxy> I bet.
2014-06-10 22:01 <justincc> diva: off for the summer now?
2014-06-10 22:01 <diva> yes!!!
2014-06-10 22:01 <diva> I'm BACK :)
2014-06-10 22:01 <Melanie_T> lol
2014-06-10 22:01 <Melanie_T> then maybe you could help
2014-06-10 22:01 <diva> hehehe
2014-06-10 22:01 <diva> gigantic merges is my speciality!
2014-06-10 22:02 <lkalif> Having recently reviewed Melanie_T's contributions to Singularity, I'm not ruling out malice, in addition to lack of resources
2014-06-10 22:02 <smxy> I can recall when they scared the hell out of you, diva. :)
2014-06-10 22:02 <diva> lkalif there's no malice anywhere
2014-06-10 22:02 <diva> at least not in Melanie's contributions to opensim
2014-06-10 22:02 <smxy> Must we pick fights? 
2014-06-10 22:02 <smxy> I'm just asking, myself, not accusing.
2014-06-10 22:03 <lkalif> diva: Melanie_T inserted code into Singularity that favors her products on SL, and on purpoe obfucates how it works so other vendors of SL products would not be able to take advantage of this feature
2014-06-10 22:03 <smxy> sigh
2014-06-10 22:04 <Melanie_T> first, the code was written by mana janus, second, it was in hippo viewer, third, it was integrated in singu by siana herself before i had any kind of closer ties with singu and fourth, it was accepted on merit - siana was NOT paid for it
2014-06-10 22:04 <diva> somehow I find that hard to believe :) d
2014-06-10 22:05 <justincc> lkalif: if the dev group of singularity doesn't like it, then reject it
2014-06-10 22:05 <lkalif> that's why I'm no longer Singularity developer
2014-06-10 22:05 <diva> oh noes!
2014-06-10 22:05 <diva> go back!
2014-06-10 22:05 <diva> wth?
2014-06-10 22:05 <lkalif> I'm not supporting unethical practices like that
2014-06-10 22:06 <BlueWall> if code was published, then why would any vendor not be able to use it's features - if they take the time to learn?
2014-06-10 22:06 <diva> she just explained she didn't do it
2014-06-10 22:06 <Melanie_T> and all the above is a matter of public record
2014-06-10 22:07 <Melanie_T> as hippo's commit history is public, or was
2014-06-10 22:07 <lkalif> BlueWall: accordiong to Melanie_T herself: her main competitor was not skilled in c++ and she was counting on code obfuscation to stop them from implementing competing product
2014-06-10 22:07 <Melanie_T> which isn't unethical, it's business
2014-06-10 22:07 <Melanie_T> many here have business interests that involve opensim
2014-06-10 22:07 <diva> this was in hippo. Was that like the stone age?
2014-06-10 22:07 <justincc> Accepting obfuscated code into an open-source project would be wrong, in my opinion
2014-06-10 22:07 <lkalif> unethical
2014-06-10 22:08 <diva> why was it ported to singu?
2014-06-10 22:08 <Melanie_T> it's been de-obfuscated long before it hit singu
2014-06-10 22:08 <lkalif> diva: it was inherited. the issue came up recently when I wanted to remove it
2014-06-10 22:08 <BlueWall> is it like RLV or something?
2014-06-10 22:08 <Melanie_T> it's the code that is used by the opensim dialog module 
2014-06-10 22:09 <Melanie_T> and the ccs combat system, and meanwhile others, for displaying combat stats in the user's nameplate instead of hovertext
2014-06-10 22:09 <BlueWall> cool
2014-06-10 22:09 <BlueWall> innovators deserve to eat too, lol.
2014-06-10 22:09 <Melanie_T> what lkalif is harping on about is ancient history
2014-06-10 22:10 <diva> that goes with opensim? what does it have to do with SL?
2014-06-10 22:10 <lkalif> no, this is about a combat system in SL that Melanie_T sell 
2014-06-10 22:10 <lkalif> or used to sell
2014-06-10 22:10 <Melanie_T> and his peeve is that siana put her foot down and refused to let him remove it - he wanted to remove it because business is baed on it
2014-06-10 22:10 <Melanie_T> and i'm saying, if he's anti-business, he has no place here either
2014-06-10 22:10 <lkalif> Well you and Siana can live happily ever after
2014-06-10 22:10 <Melanie_T> sinc most of us profit in one way or another from opensim
2014-06-10 22:11 <BlueWall> It seems to me that any developer should be able to look at the sources and develop products around it, if they want to bad enough?
2014-06-10 22:11 <lkalif> Seeing your ethics at work, with my own eyes, I would not rule out malice, was my assertion
2014-06-10 22:12 <lkalif> you can justify just about anything with "it's a business"
2014-06-10 22:12 <Melanie_T> i don't believe it unethical to make the competitors do their homework instead of riding along on my running boards
2014-06-10 22:13 <justincc> if code is added to an open-source project it should be documented
2014-06-10 22:13 <lkalif> and it should not favor one vendors products and try its damnest to stop competitors
2014-06-10 22:14 <BlueWall> is it in Firestorm?
2014-06-10 22:14 <lkalif> I don't think so
2014-06-10 22:15 <diva> that's not malice, lkalif. That sounds more like a good enhancement to the viewer that others could benefit from. And it wasn't ported to singu by Melanie
2014-06-10 22:15 <BlueWall> Then it probably doesn't find a broad audience in SL. Or at least enough to make that much of a difference.
2014-06-10 22:16 <lkalif> Singularity is used by about 15% of SL users, about 200k monthly active users.
2014-06-10 22:16 <Melanie_T> BlueWall: firestorm is unsuitable for roleplay. most everyone who roleplays uses a v1 UUI
2014-06-10 22:16 <BlueWall> ++
2014-06-10 22:16 <lkalif> And quite popular among combat fans
2014-06-10 22:17 <diva> can you guys kiss and make up, pretty please? :)
2014-06-10 22:17 <lkalif> nope
2014-06-10 22:17 <diva> we all <3 singularoty
2014-06-10 22:17 <justincc> diva: lol. you're asking a lot
2014-06-10 22:17 <BlueWall> OK, I stand corrected. But, I think that anyone could develop a product using it if they were motivated enough.
2014-06-10 22:17 <dahlia> if they kiss, I want a picture
2014-06-10 22:17 <diva> lol
2014-06-10 22:17 <lkalif> Don't expect Singularity to continue at nearly the same pace
2014-06-10 22:18 <AllenKerensky> today's astrological news: Mercury has gone into retrograde, and all communications are affected as usual.
2014-06-10 22:18 <lkalif> I was doing a lot for that project
2014-06-10 22:18 <BlueWall> ++
2014-06-10 22:18 <diva> lkalif go back!!!
2014-06-10 22:18 <BlueWall> And you still should.
2014-06-10 22:18 <diva> Melanie is not as bad as you think she is. Unless you are in a dark dungeon with her, and she has a whip :)
2014-06-10 22:18 <BlueWall> It does no one any good when projects fork like that.
2014-06-10 22:18 <smxy> lol diva
2014-06-10 22:19 <lkalif> Replex is a Singularity, but produced without clubbing any baby seals :P
2014-06-10 22:19 <BlueWall> When people can find common ground and bring their good ideas and best work to the table, then it makes for good progress for everyone.
2014-06-10 22:19 <dahlia> I dont see a problem with a fork, it would facilitate innovation
2014-06-10 22:20 <lkalif> Plus, Replex has a killer new default skin :P
2014-06-10 22:20 <diva> I like the skin of replex btw. I'm a sucker for everything dark background
2014-06-10 22:20 <dahlia> I do too
2014-06-10 22:20 <BlueWall> dahlia, maybe so if patches are compatible and teams can share work.
2014-06-10 22:21 <dahlia> I dont have a problem with Melanie_T's CCS thingie but I dont have a problem with lkalif forking either
2014-06-10 22:21 <smxy> But you've said you are not committed to maintaining a fork, lkalif. So it's hard t get excited about using it.
2014-06-10 22:21 <diva> lkalif go back to singu and take that wondeful skin with you!!!
2014-06-10 22:22 <lkalif> nah, Singularity is a project not run very well
2014-06-10 22:23 <diva> heheh. which project is run very well?!
2014-06-10 22:23 <dahlia> lol
2014-06-10 22:23 <nebadon_laptop> I just downloaded the latest Replex, i like the new skin
2014-06-10 22:23 <nebadon_laptop> its pretty dark
2014-06-10 22:23 <nebadon_laptop> the buttons are very nice
2014-06-10 22:23 <nebadon_laptop> clean
2014-06-10 22:23 <diva> yeah, <3 it
2014-06-10 22:23 <smxy> yes, it's nice
2014-06-10 22:23 <dahlia> the skin is awesomeness
2014-06-10 22:24 <lkalif> Siana want's 100% control, with 0.1% effort. So I get into situation to put a lot of effort into maintaining Singularity while she's missing for a year, and then Melanie_T comes around and gets Siana to override what I wanted to do
2014-06-10 22:25 <lkalif> well, it doesn't work that way
2014-06-10 22:25 <Melanie_T> just to make it clear, siana vetoed code removal while i was asleep
2014-06-10 22:25 <Melanie_T> i cam into it after the fact
2014-06-10 22:25 <Melanie_T> it was siana's call
2014-06-10 22:25 <dahlia> I suspect most (if not all) open source projects arose out of spite anyway
2014-06-10 22:26 <justincc> ha
2014-06-10 22:26 <Melanie_T> no, dahlia, most forks do
2014-06-10 22:26 <dahlia> forks definately do
2014-06-10 22:26 <Melanie_T> projects usually come from someone wanting a Free alternative to a commercial product
2014-06-10 22:26 <dahlia> that could be attributed to spite
2014-06-10 22:27 <Melanie_T> in the loosest sense
2014-06-10 22:27 <dahlia> open source projects which don't emulate another product/project would probably qualify as not arising out of spite ;0
2014-06-10 22:28 <diva> I don't think I ever interacted with Siana, so I don't know the dynamics there. But if it was just because of that piece of Melanie's code, lkalif...... go back pretty please!
2014-06-10 22:28 <dahlia> its all GPL, they can pull from each other
2014-06-10 22:30 <lkalif> I made Replex mostly because I know that Singularity is not going to be built and relased as often.
2014-06-10 22:31 <lkalif> I could have just continue to provide alternative builds, but wanted to avoid drama about which "Singularity" download site was canonical
2014-06-10 22:31 <lkalif> so a different name solves that
2014-06-10 22:31 <diva> well I hope you guys/gals all kiss amd make up soon!
2014-06-10 22:32 <lkalif> unlikely
2014-06-10 22:32 <diva> I was relaly liking having a viewer-side project for opensim
2014-06-10 22:33 <dahlia> was?
2014-06-10 22:33 <diva> yeah. Now we have 2
2014-06-10 22:33 <diva> I liked it better with 1
2014-06-10 22:33 <nebadon_laptop> well if something is good in Replex, i dont see why it would not end up in Singularity
2014-06-10 22:33 <dahlia> kokua and fs also
2014-06-10 22:33 <nebadon_laptop> and vice versa
2014-06-10 22:33 <dahlia> well fs kinda
2014-06-10 22:34 <diva> oh well. I liked it better with just 1
2014-06-10 22:34 <lkalif> As I said, think of Replex as builds of Singularity with a different icon
2014-06-10 22:35 <lkalif> (and built regularry, there has been 100 new commits since the last Singularity alpha)
2014-06-10 22:35 <dahlia> what about when you do stuff like add collada export?
2014-06-10 22:36 <lkalif> LiruCookies will probably merge those back
2014-06-10 22:37 <lkalif> these are build just since the last Singularity alpha http://files.streamgrid.net/replex/
2014-06-10 22:37 <lkalif> a lot of stuff there as you can see
2014-06-10 22:38 <dahlia> should probably differentiate somehow between "alpha" and "nightly build" or "last commit"
2014-06-10 22:39 <lkalif> "alpha" channel and "nightly build" can be the same thing
2014-06-10 22:39 <diva> Let's all imagine Melanie as Audrey Hepburn and lkalif as Fred Astaire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljK_2ZT44jA
2014-06-10 22:40 <lkalif> lol
2014-06-10 22:41 <lkalif> To be fair, my exit from Singularity was about my disagreement with Siana, not Melanie_T 
2014-06-10 22:42 <dahlia> diva: probably more like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-YgYFve18s
2014-06-10 22:42 <diva> damn, now I need to find another clip
2014-06-10 22:42 <diva> lol
2014-06-10 22:42 <dahlia> ;)
2014-06-10 22:44 <lkalif> well we had a good run there, for about two years :P
2014-06-10 22:47 <xso> do I need to keep Regions.ini synced between workstations for Robust?
2014-06-10 22:48 <Melanie_T> that is up to you
2014-06-10 22:48 <Melanie_T> you probably want all regions to have the same settings
2014-06-10 22:49 <Melanie_T> but have separate uuids and names
2014-06-10 22:49 <dahlia> and locations
2014-06-10 22:49 <Melanie_T> you have several options, you could write code to update these files when settings change
2014-06-10 22:49 <Melanie_T> use a grid management deamon
2014-06-10 22:49 <xso> I've got the Robust server running, and a simulator with that - and on another machine I am attempting to use the same configured software with a blank regions.ini.  The server starts with Region (root) # and connects I am trying to link regions between machines
2014-06-10 22:50 <Melanie_T> or use the URL option to load regions files from a webserver where you can create configs on the fly
2014-06-10 22:50 <Melanie_T> copy the opensim.ini from the working one to the not working one
2014-06-10 22:50 <Melanie_T> copy the regions.ini, change uuid, name, location
2014-06-10 22:50 <Melanie_T> fire it up
2014-06-10 22:50 <Melanie_T> you also have to copy modified files from config-include
2014-06-10 22:50 <smxy> and port!
2014-06-10 22:50 <Melanie_T> yes, and port
2014-06-10 22:50 <lkalif> location change by 1 if you want regions to be adjacent
2014-06-10 22:51 <dahlia> and iP if on a different machine
2014-06-10 22:51 <lkalif> no port, it's a separate machine
2014-06-10 22:51 <xso> it has its own ip
2014-06-10 22:51 <smxy> good form to change it in case he mmoves it later :)
2014-06-10 22:51 <dahlia> could just start without a Regions.ini then opensim will prompt you for the info and create it
2014-06-10 22:51 <lkalif> yeah, that's the easiest
2014-06-10 22:53 <justincc> alright, time for me to rest.  Goodnight folks
2014-06-10 22:54 <xso> "Internal IP address" is the simulator's IP address? or the Robust server
2014-06-10 22:54 <dahlia> use 0.0.0.0
2014-06-10 22:54 <dahlia> external is the more important one
2014-06-10 22:55 <Melanie_T> internal is required only if your host is multi-homed and you want to run different things on different ports on the same box
2014-06-10 22:55 <Melanie_T> it's very advanced so use 0.0.0.0
2014-06-10 22:55 <Melanie_T> external is the one you use to pass NAT
2014-06-10 22:55 <dahlia> external is the hostname or IP address which clients on the internet will use to connect to the machine where the simulator is running
2014-06-10 22:55 <Melanie_T> that is why you DO have to change ports if you're NATed
2014-06-10 22:55 <Melanie_T> and also all forwardings
2014-06-10 22:56 <smxy> One thing. either use an FQDN everywhere or an IP address everywhere. Don't mix or you'll have comparision issues later.
2014-06-10 22:56 <Melanie_T> if you hava a multi-server setup behind NAT, every sim, no matter what host it's on, needs a separate internet-facing port
2014-06-10 22:56 <xso> join with existing estate to make mainland?
2014-06-10 22:56 <Melanie_T> it's easier if the local machine port matches the external port
2014-06-10 22:56 <Melanie_T> yes
2014-06-10 22:56 <Melanie_T> use the existing estate
2014-06-10 22:56 <Melanie_T> you can always change them later
2014-06-10 22:57 <Melanie_T> commands for that were added a little while ago
2014-06-10 22:57 <smxy> They work nicely, too. :)
2014-06-10 22:58 <xso> So if I load an oar on this machine will all information get inventory get copied and stored on the robust server or sim machine?
2014-06-10 23:05 <xso> http://xso-online.com/console2.jpg
2014-06-10 23:06 <xso> I cant login
2014-06-10 23:07 <Melanie_T> is your viewer stuck at "waiting for region handshake" ?
2014-06-10 23:07 <xso> I can login when I take the other server down
2014-06-10 23:07 <Melanie_T> take down BOTH servers
2014-06-10 23:07 <Melanie_T> stop ROBUST
2014-06-10 23:08 <Melanie_T> go into mysql, delete the contents of the table Region
2014-06-10 23:08 <Melanie_T> start ROBUST
2014-06-10 23:08 <Melanie_T> start both servers
2014-06-10 23:08 <Melanie_T> select count(*) from Regions
2014-06-10 23:08 <Melanie_T> compare the count you get with the actual number of regions expected
2014-06-10 23:08 <Melanie_T> also, check that you don't have overlapping coordinates. that is allowed by default!
2014-06-10 23:09 <Melanie_T> but will hinder the login system if used without a ScopeID context
2014-06-10 23:20 <Dev_Random> Has anybody ever proposed coding standards for the DB?  Naming conventions & such?
2014-06-10 23:23 <dahlia> lol
2014-06-10 23:23 <dahlia> probably not 
2014-06-10 23:23 <smxy> Yeah, there's some work that could be done there.
2014-06-10 23:23 <Dev_Random> heh... notice I didn't ask "are there any"..
2014-06-10 23:24 <dahlia> there was a universal db connector thingie once but I think it was taken out
2014-06-10 23:24 <AliciaRaven> alot of uuids are stored as varchar(256) data type aswell
2014-06-10 23:24 <lkalif> the problem with standards is that there are so many to chose from :P
2014-06-10 23:27 <dahlia> I hate standards like "use tabs instead of 4 spaces" or "open curly braces must not be on a new line". Srsly, IDEs should just let you choose and then format it back to some intermediate form when you finish editing
2014-06-10 23:27 <dahlia> but I guess that doesnt apply to DBs 
2014-06-10 23:28 <xso> both machines are up now and recieving heartbeats from eachother it seems, but I still can't login
2014-06-10 23:28 <Dev_Random> Table_Name tablename table_name Tablename..... they're all there...
2014-06-10 23:28 <dahlia> no tableName? :(
2014-06-10 23:28 <Dev_Random> didn't see it
2014-06-10 23:28 <diva> AliciaRaven: almost all "UUID" fields should be UUI fields, so to account for HG users. 
2014-06-10 23:29 <diva> some of them are already large enough, others I haven't gotten to themn yet
2014-06-10 23:29 <xso> http://xso-online.com/console3.jpg
2014-06-10 23:29 <AliciaRaven> oh i thought it was just 36char max, oops
2014-06-10 23:30 <dahlia> if db layouts change, wont it mess up some backup systems?
2014-06-10 23:30 <Dev_Random> yeah.
2014-06-10 23:30 <dahlia> or archives?
2014-06-10 23:30 <Dev_Random> third-party tools that hit it directly.
2014-06-10 23:32 <diva> not sure what you mean. We have migrations, and they have been used extensively
2014-06-10 23:33 <Dev_Random> migrations typically add things, don't they?  it's renaming columns / tables that breaks stuff.
2014-06-10 23:34 <lkalif> changing max length of strings is not going to break stuff
2014-06-10 23:34 <diva> we've been doing all sorts of things, mostly adding fields and indexes but also changing the types of fields
2014-06-10 23:35 <Dev_Random> I was referring to renaming them for consistency. crossed convos.
2014-06-10 23:35 <smxy> It's "alpha". You can do any damn thing you want.
2014-06-10 23:35 <diva> ah, that's a whole other can of worms thagt no one here has the balls to tackle
2014-06-10 23:36 <dahlia> or patience
2014-06-10 23:36 <smxy> I dunno. Melanie's balls are pretty big.
2014-06-10 23:36 <diva> that and stopping this insanity of reenacting 6 years of DB migrations every time someone starts a new grid
2014-06-10 23:36 <BlueWall> haaa, they can run and run and run
2014-06-10 23:36 <Melanie_T> the issue is simple
2014-06-10 23:36 <xso> Ok I set a default location for my avatar, but i cant cross sims
2014-06-10 23:36 <Melanie_T> at least one of the DBMS we support (SQLite) does NOT support column renames
2014-06-10 23:36 <nebadon_laptop> there are web interfaces to thing abot too
2014-06-10 23:37 <nebadon_laptop> think*
2014-06-10 23:37 <xso> did not accept compressed transfer, did not find presence with id before timeout
2014-06-10 23:37 <Melanie_T> also, some of these tales can be quite large
2014-06-10 23:37 <lkalif> yeah, it's too late for db consistency :P
2014-06-10 23:37 <Melanie_T> a completely unnecessary column rename, done for beauty only, could shut down osgrid, metropolis, avination, for hours if not days
2014-06-10 23:38 <dahlia> db maintenance scripts would fail
2014-06-10 23:38 <Melanie_T> consider renaming a column in OSGrid's "inventoryitems" table
2014-06-10 23:38 <Melanie_T> and get back to me in a week, when it's done
2014-06-10 23:38 <dahlia> no dont. my osgrid inventory is messed up enough as it is :P
2014-06-10 23:38 <nebadon_laptop> lol yea
2014-06-10 23:40 <Dev_Random> no arguments there... just wondered about the thinking around it.
2014-06-10 23:40 <dahlia> Dev_Random: many contributors
2014-06-10 23:41 <Dev_Random> my original question about it stemmed from seeing C# changes rejected for tabs instead of spaces.. but DB columns seem to be named on a whim.
2014-06-10 23:41 <smxy> So, because fixing something might/would be painful, OpenSim is doomed to have a messy DB forever?
2014-06-10 23:42 <Melanie_T> smxy: correct
2014-06-10 23:42 <smxy> As alpha software, that should not be true.
2014-06-10 23:42 <Melanie_T> at this time, the downtime required of large grids to do this sort of migration would exceed what the community would bear
2014-06-10 23:42 <lkalif> lol
2014-06-10 23:42 <Melanie_T> the affected grids would lose users on a massive scale
2014-06-10 23:42 <smxy> And if you won't treat it like alpha software, then you should stop calling it that.
2014-06-10 23:43 <lkalif> smxy: so you would like to give everyone extra work. are you goint to pay for the effort too?
2014-06-10 23:43 <smxy> No. My point is it isn't alpha anymore.
2014-06-10 23:43 <lkalif> who cares about a label
2014-06-10 23:43 <smxy> A lot of people.
2014-06-10 23:43 <lkalif> you are not a lot of people :P
2014-06-10 23:44 <smxy> That is correct.
2014-06-10 23:44 <nebadon_laptop> changes like that cause more problems than they solve
2014-06-10 23:44 <diva> if I had a penny for every inconsistency I have witnessed in all sorts of software I'd be a rich woman!
2014-06-10 23:44 <lkalif> yeah me too
2014-06-10 23:44 <nebadon_laptop> sure its nice for noobs, but it pretty much sucks for all the long time people
2014-06-10 23:45 <lkalif> (except for the woman part :P)
2014-06-10 23:45 <diva> hehe
2014-06-10 23:45 <lkalif> I was part of the PHP dev effort. and PHP is the most inconsistent thing ever
2014-06-10 23:45 <lkalif> but... it runs half the internet, and you can't just change that
2014-06-10 23:46 <diva> did you contribute to PHP"
2014-06-10 23:46 <diva> ?
2014-06-10 23:46 <lkalif> Yes
2014-06-10 23:46 <diva> cool!
2014-06-10 23:46 <smxy> I believe there was a push to call 0.8 "beta", but it failed. Will that effort be revived?
2014-06-10 23:46 <lkalif> diva: I made php-cli and php-embed
2014-06-10 23:46 <lkalif> so you can run php scripts on the command line
2014-06-10 23:46 <diva> good point smxy. let's bring that up when justicc graces us with his presence tomorrow :)
2014-06-10 23:46 <Melanie_T> nice
2014-06-10 23:46 <Melanie_T> a much needed tool
2014-06-10 23:46 <Melanie_T> i use it a lot
2014-06-10 23:46 <Melanie_T> thanks
2014-06-10 23:46 <diva> nice lkalif
2014-06-10 23:47 <lkalif> yw
2014-06-10 23:47 <Melanie_T> but yes php is inconsistent
2014-06-10 23:47 <Melanie_T> not as bad as perl, though
2014-06-10 23:47 <smxy> php-cli is most useful.
2014-06-10 23:47 <diva> Python is pretty bad too, although they made an effort to improve things now for 3.x
2014-06-10 23:47 <lkalif> php started a s a thin wrapper of C libraries
2014-06-10 23:47 <smxy> (I'm sure php-embed is, too, just haven't used it.)
2014-06-10 23:47 <lkalif> so function names where inherited from C
2014-06-10 23:48 <lkalif> and every function lib in C has its own naming convention
2014-06-10 23:48 <Melanie_T> what i hate about php is "arg, arg, subject" syntax for string stuff - it contradicts usage in every other language
2014-06-10 23:48 <Melanie_T> they are all "subject, arg, arg"
2014-06-10 23:48 <lkalif> and it's not even consistent in that
2014-06-10 23:48 <Melanie_T> and i hate their coice to deprecate regex, which everyone knows, in favor of pcre, which no one really knows
2014-06-10 23:49 <lkalif> pcre is much better
2014-06-10 23:49 <lkalif> and is much closer to c# regex
2014-06-10 23:50 <Melanie_T> everyone knows a word is a [^^ ]+[^ ]*[^$ ]
2014-06-10 23:50 <dahlia> I have to relearn regex every time I use it anyway
2014-06-10 23:50 <Melanie_T> but you have to read upt o knw a word is \w
2014-06-10 23:50 <Melanie_T> regex is simpler and just as flexible
2014-06-10 23:50 <BlueWall> lol dahlia ++
2014-06-10 23:50 <Melanie_T> pcre needs a lot more of learning by heart
2014-06-10 23:50 <Melanie_T> keeping both would not be a bad thing
2014-06-10 23:51 <Melanie_T> especially if sytring/list ops were changed back to the expected subject arg arg form
2014-06-10 23:51 <Melanie_T> consitently
2014-06-10 23:51 <lkalif> look at my contribution history https://www.ohloh.net/accounts/edink/positions
2014-06-10 23:51 <Melanie_T> lkalif: i believe C# uses almost unmodified PCRE
2014-06-10 23:51 <lkalif> dies in 2208
2014-06-10 23:51 <lkalif> 2008
2014-06-10 23:52 <lkalif> but then an alter-ego lol https://www.ohloh.net/accounts/lkalif/positions
2014-06-10 23:52 <smxy> lkalif: Now whose whipping out his ... resume? :) hehehe
2014-06-10 23:52 <smxy> who's*
2014-06-10 23:53 <lkalif> pfft ohloh only shows from 2002
2014-06-10 23:53 <lkalif> i started on php towards the end of last millenia :P
2014-06-10 23:53 <diva> lol
2014-06-10 23:54 <Melanie_T> nice histpry
2014-06-10 23:54 <diva> btw, one of my former students is the main engineer for ohloh these days
2014-06-10 23:54 <lkalif> it's a cool site
2014-06-10 23:54 <diva> yeah
2014-06-10 23:55 <Melanie_T> it lets those of us who concentrate on code show what they're made of
2014-06-10 23:55 <diva> lkalif your alter ego's last name is definitly an improvement for pronounciation!
2014-06-10 23:56 <lkalif> hahaha
2014-06-10 23:57 <smxy> yeah. I wouldn't try the other. I'm sure I'd end up saying something horrible about his parentage or something. :(
2014-06-11 00:00 <Melanie_T> it's not as bad as some i've seen
2014-06-11 00:17 <Plugh> lkalif: 2505 commits, nice.
2014-06-11 00:17 <Plugh> I'm just coming up on my first 1,000 according to ohloh.
2014-06-11 00:19 <lkalif> 1368 "legacy" commits too
2014-06-11 00:19 <Plugh> where do you find out about those?
2014-06-11 00:19 <lkalif> under my meatspace name I meant
2014-06-11 00:20 <lkalif> the other link to ohloh I posterd
2014-06-11 00:21 <Melanie_T> looks like ohloh credits me with 2462 commites overall
2014-06-11 00:21 <Plugh> lkalif: ok, under a different name. 
2014-06-11 00:21 <Melanie_T> and i don
2014-06-11 00:22 <Melanie_T> t now what ohloh uses for their kudo ranking
2014-06-11 00:22 <Melanie_T> funny how the badge rank is in binary
2014-06-11 00:22 <Plugh> ohloh only credits me for changes to the trunk or master branches and doesn't include some I did years ago when I submitted patches and only got mentioned in the commit logs.
2014-06-11 00:22 <Melanie_T> geeks....
2014-06-11 00:22 <Plugh> yea, I like that.
2014-06-11 00:23 <lkalif> the way opensim does things, you don't get a commit from mantis patch
2014-06-11 00:23 <lkalif> it goes to whomever comitted it
2014-06-11 00:23 <Melanie_T> wrong
2014-06-11 00:23 <Melanie_T> it used to be that way
2014-06-11 00:23 <Melanie_T> until we switched to git
2014-06-11 00:24 <Melanie_T> since mantis patches are made with git format-patch
2014-06-11 00:24 <Plugh> It goes to whoever commited it. In the case of git it depends on if it was an am formatted patch.
2014-06-11 00:24 <Melanie_T> and applied with git am
2014-06-11 00:24 <Melanie_T> we get true author names
2014-06-11 00:24 <Plugh> yup
2014-06-11 00:24 <lkalif> depends how patch was made
2014-06-11 00:24 <Melanie_T> yes. pather's choice
2014-06-11 00:24 <Plugh> I commited a few patches on behalf of someone else that were am formatted and they got the credit.
2014-06-11 00:25 <Dev_Random> I have 15 commits on there for an aggregate coding time of 5 minutes.
2014-06-11 00:27 <lkalif> I prefer to merge people's patch branches instead
2014-06-11 00:27 <lkalif> much cleaner approach
2014-06-11 00:28 <Melanie_T> that requires some git-fu
2014-06-11 00:28 <Melanie_T> or to work on github
2014-06-11 00:28 <Melanie_T> and that goes under "ain't gonna happen"
2014-06-11 00:29 <lkalif> while you're putting the brakes on
2014-06-11 00:29 <Plugh> git's been a pita for me in the past. I've about got it tamed. Merges tend to be a pain. I'd hate to merge branches.
2014-06-11 00:30 <Melanie_T> been there, discussed that - it's a majority decision, deal with it
2014-06-11 00:30 <Melanie_T> i had one vote in it. so don't single me out
2014-06-11 00:31 <Plugh> Melanie_T: No idea what you are on about. I was commenting on lkalif saying they prefer to merge peoples patch branches. I've had enough headaches on occasion just dealing with conflicts during a pull let alone merging branches.
2014-06-11 00:32 <diva> I have 2 github profiles, started at the same time (2009). My diva profile gets a fair amount of recruiter emails; my crista profile hasn't gotten a single one! :)
2014-06-11 00:34 <lkalif> I never get any
2014-06-11 00:34 <lkalif> 'muricans get all the jobs :P
2014-06-11 00:35 <Melanie_T> i get about 20-30 headhunters/momth
2014-06-11 00:35 <Melanie_T> 2-5 are relavent
2014-06-11 00:35 <Melanie_T> the reest are catch-all emails to the whole database
2014-06-11 00:36 <Plugh> I don't remember getting much in the way of recruiter mail. I do remember I've been contacted twice by Google.
2014-06-11 00:37 <dahlia> lkalif: I never get any either
2014-06-11 00:39 <dahlia> I suspect people like to use # of commits as criteria which doesnt apply in my case
2014-06-11 00:39 <Melanie_T> # is easier to judge than quality
2014-06-11 00:39 <Melanie_T> people go for easy metrics
2014-06-11 00:40 <dahlia> well it's about the only metric thats available
2014-06-11 00:41 <dahlia> well I do get job queries but not from open source work
2014-06-11 00:42 <lkalif> the only job offers related to opensource work I did was from Facebook
2014-06-11 00:42 <lkalif> they really wanted to hire me
2014-06-11 00:42 <dahlia> why didnt you?
2014-06-11 00:43 <lkalif> would involve moving to the US
2014-06-11 00:43 <lkalif> too much hassle
2014-06-11 00:43 <dahlia> US not as bad as some people say
2014-06-11 00:43 <Plugh> The green card thing is a pain
2014-06-11 00:43 <dahlia> but silicon valley $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$expensive
2014-06-11 00:43 <smxy> they want to interview me, but I have a love/hate relationship with their product, so I'm not sure it'd be a good fit
2014-06-11 00:43 <lkalif> they offered me a packege, including "sousal rellocation" lol
2014-06-11 00:44 <lkalif> not that I had a spouse
2014-06-11 00:44 <dahlia> tech companies have their ways around the green card thing but its not always a good deal for the employee
2014-06-11 00:44 <lkalif> you should see their brochure lol
2014-06-11 00:44 <dahlia> lol I can imagine
2014-06-11 00:45 <lkalif> basically "don't worry if you have a wife, we'll keep her busy in our clubs in facilities"
2014-06-11 00:45 <dahlia> haha
2014-06-11 00:46 <dahlia> bay area is pretty nice place
2014-06-11 00:46 <dahlia> especially San Francisco
2014-06-11 00:47 <smxy> An SL friend just moved from Chicago to there, to work for Apple. He's having a heck of a time finding a place to live.
2014-06-11 00:47 <dahlia> ya getting really expensive
2014-06-11 00:48 <dahlia> try oakland
2014-06-11 00:48 <dahlia> or east
2014-06-11 00:48 <smxy> That'd really be slumming.
2014-06-11 00:48 <dahlia> oakland has some better parts
2014-06-11 00:48 <smxy> I used to live across the Bay in Richmond and San Pablo.
2014-06-11 00:49 <smxy> Back in the '70s. I probably wouldn't recognize the place now.
2014-06-11 00:49 <dahlia> I never lived in the bay area but I used to travel there quite often when I was at HP
2014-06-11 00:49 <lkalif> Northern California seems to have a nice climate
2014-06-11 00:49 <lkalif> not too hot
2014-06-11 00:49 <smxy> It was very nice, lkalif
2014-06-11 00:49 <dahlia> most of california has a nice climate
2014-06-11 00:50 <smxy> yes, but socal is usually on fire
2014-06-11 00:50 <dahlia> ya but only a few days a year
2014-06-11 00:50 <dahlia> I didnt see or smell any smoke at all during the recent fires
2014-06-11 00:50 <diva> socal has the best weather i the world
2014-06-11 00:51 <dahlia> diva++
2014-06-11 00:51 <diva> my kind of weather. Sunny 90% of the days
2014-06-11 00:51 <smxy> That's where you are, right diva?
2014-06-11 00:51 <lkalif> I don't like it too hot. Danish climate suits me well. Except that there is only 2 hours of night in the summer.
2014-06-11 00:51 <diva> yes
2014-06-11 00:51 <diva> I can't stand cold weather for more than 3 days
2014-06-11 00:51 <dahlia> cold? *googles*....
2014-06-11 00:52 <smxy> lol
2014-06-11 00:52 <lkalif> lol
2014-06-11 00:52 <smxy> I remember living in ND and thinking 20 below was a heat wave. :)
2014-06-11 00:52 <lkalif> nd?
2014-06-11 00:52 <smxy> North Dakota
2014-06-11 00:53 <dahlia> you didnt stay for the fracking rush?
2014-06-11 00:53 <smxy> I left there in '87.
2014-06-11 00:53 <lkalif> when I hear about American cold states, they always speak of Minnesota
2014-06-11 00:53 <lkalif> smxy: is ND like that?
2014-06-11 00:53 <smxy> Northern Minnestoa is east of ND 
2014-06-11 00:54 <dahlia> ya my relatives left ND before I was born. They had land too :/
2014-06-11 00:54 <smxy> yes
2014-06-11 00:54 <lkalif> dahlia: ND and Minessota are mini-scandinavia anyway :P
2014-06-11 00:54 <dahlia> lkalif: I'm of scandanavian descent
2014-06-11 00:54 <lkalif> there you go
2014-06-11 00:55 <lkalif> silly people
2014-06-11 00:55 <lkalif> they went to the new continent and thought "hey, this place is just as miserably cold as home, lets settle here" :P
2014-06-11 00:55 <smxy> I think that's exactly what they did. :)
2014-06-11 00:56 <lkalif> when switcking continents, they could at least go for a better climate :P
2014-06-11 00:56 <dahlia> well actually I dont think economic conditions were all that exciting in europe when they left
2014-06-11 00:57 <lkalif> perhaps california was not known (or easily accessible) then
2014-06-11 00:57 <lkalif> and the rest of left coast
2014-06-11 00:57 <dahlia> not easily accessible
2014-06-11 00:57 <dahlia> probably not in US yet either
2014-06-11 00:57 <dahlia> may have still been Mexico
2014-06-11 00:58 <smxy> You couldn't pay me enough to go back to ND, unless it was to piss them off ... again.
2014-06-11 00:58 <lkalif> where do you live now?
2014-06-11 00:59 <smxy> Pennsylvania, about 1 hour north of Philadelphia and about an hour west of NYC.
2014-06-11 00:59 <dahlia> yay hurricanes
2014-06-11 00:59 <lkalif> you do get cold winters there, no?
2014-06-11 00:59 <lkalif> and humid summers?
2014-06-11 01:00 <smxy> By local standards, yes. By ND standards, no. :)
2014-06-11 01:00 <dahlia> ya SoCal weather much better
2014-06-11 01:00 <dahlia> and.... free roller coaster rides when the faults feel cranky :)
2014-06-11 01:00 <lkalif> If I was to move to the US, I think I'd pick somewhere north of the bay area
2014-06-11 01:01 <lkalif> inlcuding oregon and washington state
2014-06-11 01:01 <lkalif> I don't mind rain :P
2014-06-11 01:01 <dahlia> pretty up there if you like rain
2014-06-11 01:01 <dahlia> because you get 6 months a year of solid rain :P
2014-06-11 01:02 <lkalif> but it doesn't get too cold right?
2014-06-11 01:02 <dahlia> probably not as cold as ND
2014-06-11 01:02 <dahlia> I've driven in snowstorms in oregon
2014-06-11 01:03 <lkalif> I wonder how much "Portlandia" is there in actual Portland :)
2014-06-11 01:03 <smxy> I was born in Portland. The one no one seems to have ever heard of.
2014-06-11 01:03 <Dev_Random> maine?
2014-06-11 01:03 <smxy> Yup.
2014-06-11 01:03 <dahlia> Linus lives in Portland, you could compare ohloh stats over a few brewskis :)
2014-06-11 01:05 <lkalif> I came up with this web site that used google street view
2014-06-11 01:05 <smxy> Linus definitely has a bigger dick. :)
2014-06-11 01:05 <lkalif> so you can take a virtual drive, automatically
2014-06-11 01:05 <lkalif> i tried "driving" through the south of france
2014-06-11 01:05 <lkalif> and along the pacific coast of NoCal and Oregon
2014-06-11 01:05 <lkalif> it was fun
2014-06-11 01:05 <lkalif> (and it had wikipedia links, like when you pass by something notable)
2014-06-11 01:06 <dahlia> highway 1 :D
2014-06-11 01:06 <lkalif> but I can't remember what was the site
2014-06-11 01:06 <lkalif> 101
2014-06-11 01:06 <dahlia> 101 is lame
2014-06-11 01:07 <dahlia> so is I5
2014-06-11 01:07 <lkalif> 101 was quite scenic along the pacific coast
2014-06-11 01:08 <lkalif> a lot of big rivers in NoCal/Oregon/Washington, looked very nice
2014-06-11 01:08 <dahlia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Route_1
2014-06-11 01:08 <lkalif> nice
2014-06-11 01:09 <diva> the ppl who live in Portland like to live there very much. But you have to be om with 1-2 week of sunshine / year. Portland itself is a very nice city. Just the right amount of urban life.
2014-06-11 01:09 <lkalif> sunshine is overrated :P
2014-06-11 01:10 <dahlia> portland is fun
2014-06-11 01:13 <lkalif> the house I lived in until two years ago https://www.google.com/maps/place/Vedelavej+27/@55.675776,12.467085,3a,90y,257h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sjcchYKMwNNKyGeJcBVXe8Q!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x46525144a70e4cfb:0x80761308993699a3!6m1!1e1
2014-06-11 01:14 <lkalif> still drive the same car (the light grey one) ;)
2014-06-11 01:17 -!- Wanderer_42(~kvirc@dslb-084-060-130-155.pools.arcor-ip.net) has left #opensim-dev
2014-06-11 01:18 <diva> ah northern europe...
2014-06-11 01:19 <dahlia> that's a duplex?
2014-06-11 01:20 <lkalif> yes.I had the top floor
2014-06-11 01:27 <dahlia> lol @ Wanderer_42's quit message
2014-06-11 01:30 <lkalif> imagine in 5-10 years time, street view with something like oculus rigt
2014-06-11 01:30 <lkalif> you'd be able to be a virtual turist for real
2014-06-11 01:30 <lkalif> I already enhoy "roaming" random cities ;)
2014-06-11 01:32 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Yeah, if there's anything interesting, I'll be looking into it.
2014-06-11 01:33 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Speaking of oculus, have you seen the code drop?
2014-06-11 01:33 <lkalif> I'm aware of it
2014-06-11 01:34 <LiruCookies> lkalif: You have an oculus, right?
2014-06-11 01:34 <lkalif> yep
2014-06-11 01:34 <lkalif> that would be a fun project
2014-06-11 01:34 <LiruCookies> Perhaps you  could do a test merge?
2014-06-11 01:35 <lkalif> sure
2014-06-11 01:36 <LiruCookies> Cool
2014-06-11 01:37 <lkalif> diva: you see, all is well :)
2014-06-11 01:38 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Have you seen portable mode? I made the viewer nice for people with work laptops.
2014-06-11 01:38 <lkalif> LiruCookies is the one doing most Singularity dev anyway
2014-06-11 01:39 <LiruCookies> I'm especially proud of it, because it's only two small blocks of code.
2014-06-11 01:39 <lkalif> LiruCookies: yes, pretty neat. also for putting on usb keys
2014-06-11 01:39 <lkalif> no install required
2014-06-11 01:40 <lkalif> (and you get to bring your own cache and stuff around)
2014-06-11 01:40 <LiruCookies> If you install two viewers in parallel on the usb and they both have my patch, they'll reuse the same folder layout but only conflict if they would on a normal setup
2014-06-11 01:41 <LiruCookies> So replex and Singularity and singularity alpha can share a usb
2014-06-11 01:41 <LiruCookies> And it brings around logs.
2014-06-11 01:41 <lkalif> didn't it setup to use current dir instead of appdata / roaming?
2014-06-11 01:41 <lkalif> so all settings are in current dir
2014-06-11 01:42 <LiruCookies> I wasn't certain windows/anti-virus would appreciate a binary changing things in its own directory, so I use ../portable_viewer/
2014-06-11 01:42 <lkalif> LiruCookies: if you ask me, I'd just change it to use currnt dir + folder
2014-06-11 01:43 <lkalif> that way you can have unlimited number of installs¨¨
2014-06-11 01:43 <lkalif> each with own sepatate settings, logs, etc
2014-06-11 01:44 <LiruCookies> Also, I like people being able to just remove an old install and lose nothing... people tend to do nasty stuff in the name of the clean install
2014-06-11 01:44 <LiruCookies> And for me, chat logs need to have the same directory
2014-06-11 01:44 <lkalif> how about make --portable take an argument to the folder
2014-06-11 01:45 <LiruCookies> ../portable_viewer/settings/<user name>/chat.txt
2014-06-11 01:47 <LiruCookies> I was thinking that, but I didn't want set up to be too complex.
2014-06-11 01:47 <lkalif> well i guess if I wanted it separate I could make folder/bin and folder/portable_viewer and have it self-contained that way
2014-06-11 01:47 <lkalif> no need it can work 
2014-06-11 01:47 <lkalif> just stuff the viewer to bin
2014-06-11 01:47 <LiruCookies> I make an Apps/ on my usbs
2014-06-11 01:48 <LiruCookies> portable_viewer is created by the viewer itself.
2014-06-11 01:49 <LiruCookies> I wanted minimal setup for the user.
2014-06-11 01:50 <lkalif> it's pretty cool
2014-06-11 01:54 <lkalif> 
ACTION needs some sleep time

2014-06-11 01:56 <LiruCookies> Niii
2014-06-11 03:22 <xso> I got mumble service started how do I indicate this to the opensim.exe (only see [FreeSwitchVoice] & create_region_enable_voice = true
2014-06-11 03:48 <xso> nvm I am going with viv
2014-06-11 04:20 <Plugh> xso: The documentation should be on the mumble site.
2014-06-11 06:24 <dahlia> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHixeIr_6BM
2014-06-11 17:05 <xso> I get invalid command for "estate set name" in robust and in opensim
2014-06-11 17:05 <xso> to rename an estate
2014-06-11 17:15 <smxy> It's not a robust command. do it at a region console.
2014-06-11 17:18 <smxy> help estates
2014-06-11 17:18 <smxy> might help you
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2014-06-12 02:59 <osmantis> Bug #7212:04 Sim crash caused by hypergrid inventory duplicate key 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7212 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-12 03:01 <osmantis> Bug #7008:04 Varregion Terrain very slow to load when teleporting in. Much slower than same exact oars loaded on a mega region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7008 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-06-12 03:04 <osmantis> Bug #7204:04 Bulletsim VarRegion recently started crashing on sim startup - Red errors: Exception: System.NullReferenceException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7204 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-06-12 12:39 <osmantis> Bug #7213:04 llPassTouches (TRUE / FALSE) does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7213 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2014-06-12 12:42 <osmantis> Bug #7214:04 [SCRIPT] PRIM_MEDIA_AUTO_PLAY TRUE does not work with llSetLinkMedia 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7214 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2014-06-12 12:43 <osmantis> Bug #7213:04 [SCRIPT] llPassTouches (TRUE / FALSE) does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7213 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2014-06-12 15:02 <osmantis> Bug #7215:04 OpenSim.exe console: set log level without a parameter does not do as advertised 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7215 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-12 17:42 <osmantis> Bug #7215:04 OpenSim.exe console: set log level without a parameter does not do as advertised 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7215 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-06-13 04:18 <xso> which database do I put for the PresenceService in GridCommon as SQL  (Opensim) (Robust) (New)
2014-06-13 04:21 <xso> Joomla?
2014-06-13 12:25 <osmantis> Bug #7215:04 OpenSim.exe console: set log level without a parameter does not do as advertised 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7215 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-13 12:26 <osmantis> Bug #7215:04 OpenSim.exe console: set log level without a parameter does not do as advertised 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7215 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-06-13 12:28 <osmantis> Bug #7215:04 OpenSim.exe console: set log level without a parameter does not do as advertised 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7215 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-06-13 15:39 <LiruCookies> Hey, can I get someone who would implement support for a new capability to talk to?
2014-06-13 15:40 <Melanie_T> which cap?
2014-06-13 15:47 <LiruCookies> AgentPreferences
2014-06-13 15:47 <LiruCookies> It's new, I'll have it in Singularity soon
2014-06-13 15:48 <LiruCookies> It replaces default build perms somehow
2014-06-13 15:48 <LiruCookies> And default upload perms
2014-06-13 15:48 <LiruCookies> Oh het
2014-06-13 15:48 <LiruCookies> hey*
2014-06-13 15:48 <LiruCookies> That cap is existing
2014-06-13 15:49 <LiruCookies> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Simulator_User_Group/Transcripts/2013.11.19
2014-06-13 15:49 <LiruCookies> That just released
2014-06-13 15:53 <lkalif> is it in some viewer yet?
2014-06-13 15:53 <LiruCookies> lkalif: v-r
2014-06-13 15:54 <LiruCookies> According to Modemworld
2014-06-13 15:54 <lkalif> ah, it's in there already
2014-06-13 15:54 <LiruCookies> I'm getting it from https://bitbucket.org/JonathanYap/storm-68b/branches/compare/default..3.7.2-release#diff
2014-06-13 15:54 <LiruCookies> But I'm keeping in the singularity stuff, like everyoneexport
2014-06-13 15:55 <lkalif> we'll need some fallback if cap isn't there for storing those prefs still
2014-06-13 15:55 <LiruCookies> It's not stored there, or something...
2014-06-13 15:55 <LiruCookies> It uses settings
2014-06-13 15:55 <LiruCookies> For some reason?
2014-06-13 15:55 <LiruCookies> I dunno
2014-06-13 15:56 <LiruCookies> Yap's code never really makes sense to me
2014-06-13 15:56 <lkalif> äh it tells server what permissions to use. O see
2014-06-13 15:56 <lkalif> O -> I
2014-06-13 15:57 <LiruCookies> Anyway, I'm going to integrate this all... rework the floater, and rip out part of build preferences.
2014-06-13 15:57 <lkalif> I had trouble compiling your latest push on Linux ysterday
2014-06-13 15:57 <lkalif> is that fixed?
2014-06-13 15:57 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Fritigern told me, and I fixed it
2014-06-13 15:58 <lkalif> cool
2014-06-13 15:58 <LiruCookies> I used C++11
2014-06-13 15:58 <LiruCookies> My bad.
2014-06-13 15:59 <LiruCookies> std::string::back and std::string::pop_back is C++11
2014-06-13 15:59 <LiruCookies> are*
2014-06-13 15:59 <LiruCookies> They're sooooo good though
2014-06-13 16:00 <LiruCookies> I really don't like the way Yap wrote this, though
2014-06-13 16:00 <LiruCookies> Rederived a floater.
2014-06-13 16:00 <LiruCookies> Just adds to the noise.
2014-06-13 16:10 <LiruCookies> I figured out that the cap is just for the objects
2014-06-13 16:10 <LiruCookies> Not items
2014-06-13 16:10 <LiruCookies> Or that's what a comment asserts
2014-06-13 16:13 <LiruCookies> Actually, don't worry about implementing it on any schedule, I'll add in backwards compatibility if we don't have the cap.
2014-06-13 16:16 <lkalif> that would be great
2014-06-13 16:24 <LiruCookies> Yeah, I don't want to wait for the rollout, especially because opensim is wrapping up for release right now, isn't it?
2014-06-13 16:26 <lkalif> yes, it's in RC, RC3 iirc
2014-06-13 16:40 <smxy> yes
2014-06-13 17:13 <Melanie_T> you can assume one release cycle for widespread adoption 
2014-06-13 17:14 <Melanie_T> so a fallback/alternate methid is needed
2014-06-13 17:14 <Melanie_T> even if it was coded today
2014-06-13 17:14 <Melanie_T> it wouldn't make it into the release
2014-06-13 17:14 <Melanie_T> so it would be in the next one
2014-06-13 17:15 <Melanie_T> also, it would be important to know if LL intends to store this per region, per estate or per user
2014-06-13 17:15 <Melanie_T> so i could, say, have everything fullperm per default in the sandbox
2014-06-13 17:15 <Melanie_T> and everything locked down in a mall
2014-06-13 17:16 <Melanie_T> also, if the viewer asks for that cap only once, or every time the region/parcel/estate changes
2014-06-13 17:18 <LiruCookies> https://modemworld.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/default-permissions.jpg
2014-06-13 17:19 <LiruCookies> It'll look different for us, though, we have different icons
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2014-06-13 19:38 <Bwild> LiruCookies, Gamer Movie: CUSTOMIZE NIKA :p
2014-06-13 19:38 <Bwild> http://ibin.co/1PoVUemsq3Ty
2014-06-13 19:43 <Bwild> Paused 50:35 / 1:33:21
2014-06-13 19:54 <LiruCookies> Nya?
2014-06-13 19:55 <LiruCookies> What is that?
2014-06-13 19:55 <Bwild> oh, the scrollback discussion was about the C++ floater for perms
2014-06-13 19:55 <Bwild> not the actual clothing picker discussed in your link
2014-06-13 19:55 <LiruCookies> Ah!
2014-06-13 19:56 <LiruCookies> What? The link should have taken you to the picture
2014-06-13 19:56 <LiruCookies> Is wordpress being lame?
2014-06-13 19:56 <Bwild> it did, but that is default creation perms
2014-06-13 19:56 <Bwild> which i mentioned about 4 months ago to Ikalif
2014-06-13 19:56 <LiruCookies> Yeah, that's the discussion
2014-06-13 19:57 <Bwild> e,g, instead of 90 click-boxes implement working defaults prems (which still dont stick)
2014-06-13 19:59 <Bwild> i would think it could be even easier, say one click-box for upload window, e.g, [x] Full Mods c|m|x
2014-06-13 20:39 <LiruCookies> Not all types have upload window
2014-06-13 20:39 <LiruCookies> Like creating a gesture, or a box, or a notecard.
2014-06-13 20:39 <LiruCookies> Upload is only one of the types
2014-06-13 23:46 <osmantis> Bug #7216:04 Abort during map tile generation; default tiler. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7216 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-13 23:48 <smxy> nebadon_laptop: Mantis only lists mono versions up to 3.2, but people are using 3.4 and 3.6. Could Mantis be updated with those, please? Thanks!
2014-06-13 23:48 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-06-13 23:48 <smxy> Sweet :)
2014-06-13 23:50 <nebadon_laptop> done
2014-06-13 23:52 <smxy> Thanks!
2014-06-13 23:53 <Plugh> I should file a bug report against git master version of mono. They need to fix the dist package.
2014-06-13 23:54 <Plugh> s/package/packaging/
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2014-06-14 04:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #3640 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-14 04:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3640: SUCCESS in 8 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3640/
2014-06-14 04:36 <osjenkins> misterblue: Add [Startup]LogShowStatsSeconds=n parameter which controls the interval
2014-06-14 12:31 <LiruCookies> Who is InWorldz here? I need to yell at you.
2014-06-14 12:34 <LiruCookies> Whoever made the InWorldz viewer decided to be a wiseguy and use the premature implementation of Export permission from Cinder's initial work, before she took my work...
2014-06-14 13:21 <LiruCookies> Is there nobody here who speaks for InWorldz?
2014-06-14 13:21 <frnic> I don't even know what InWorldz is, but I will be glad to speak for them?
2014-06-14 13:21 <frnic> :)
2014-06-14 13:30 <Melanie_> inworldz is, as far as i know, not actively represented here. they may lurk but never have spoken up. inworldz does not contribute to opensim development, they cherry-pick features as long as they can fit them into their heavily modified codebase but have never given back, in fact, thay have stated they would not, iirc
2014-06-14 13:31 <diva> LiruCookies I'm not sure InWorldz uses OpenSim. I don't think they do. I think they forked opensim about 5 years ago, and proceeded with their own fork
2014-06-14 13:38 <LiruCookies> Melanie_: Well then... I guess their issues are invalid, if I'm not granted access to their grid, I'm just going to close that issue.
2014-06-14 13:38 <LiruCookies> beta grid*
2014-06-14 13:39 <LiruCookies> Oh, and their beta client source doesn't even show support for the export permission in debug permissions.
2014-06-14 13:39 <LiruCookies> or at all on the permissions panel
2014-06-14 13:40 <LiruCookies> I searched the ircs, there is no inworldz channel, either... which sucks.
2014-06-14 13:51 <diva> LiurCookies as far as I know, Inworldz does not do open source development of any kind. They woudn't have an IRC channel, at least not a public one.
2014-06-14 14:02 <LiruCookies> diva: That's so lame.
2014-06-14 14:07 <lkalif> they have to opensource the viewer
2014-06-14 14:10 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Their current viewer appears to be behind closed doors because the one they provide the source of does not support export permission like their issue report suggests
2014-06-14 14:11 <diva> I've no idea if they comply with GPL. InWorldz is completely out of [my] scope of interest. They seem like "we know better" kind of people, which usually correlates with implosion down the line
2014-06-14 14:15 <Melanie_> the only one who could bring action over the gpl violation, if it is happening, is linden labs
2014-06-14 14:15 <lkalif> It's up to LL to enfore thier license, but it would be stupid of InWordza to give LL suchleverage.
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2014-06-14 15:16 <lkalif> LiruCookies: on the other hand, it's not like there is working export permission implementation anywhere
2014-06-14 15:16 <lkalif> so you can't blame them going their own way there
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2014-06-14 15:53 <LiruCookies> lkalif: But the viewer implementation was meant to be kept consistent and Cinder picked up mine... they should have the same, but their repo doesn't even show that... it's strange.
2014-06-14 15:55 <lkalif> what do you mean by mean to be kept consistent? meant by whom?
2014-06-14 15:55 <lkalif> and where is that meaning expressesd?
2014-06-14 15:59 <lkalif> Private backroom conversations you're having with Melanie_ doesn't count as establishing a standard.
2014-06-14 15:59 <lkalif> For that you need a plublic proposal, requrest for comments, etc.
2014-06-14 16:01 <smxy> So far, Kitely seems to be handling export well. But they bypassed the half-baked onein place now, did it themselves and tied it into how their grid works.
2014-06-14 16:02 <smxy> ... grid and marketplace works.
2014-06-14 16:03 <lkalif> As I said every grid has to do this on their own
2014-06-14 16:03 <lkalif> As there is no working implementation
2014-06-14 16:03 <smxy> There should be. And it should be consistent, so that creators can count on it working the same everywhere.
2014-06-14 16:04 <lkalif> Yes there should be. But unfortulatelly it was Melanie_ who started working on this last year
2014-06-14 16:05 <lkalif> which means there might be a working version in avination at some point
2014-06-14 16:05 <lkalif> and some buggy remaining bit in opensim
2014-06-14 16:05 <smxy> And about 3 years later it might hit core.
2014-06-14 16:11 <zadark> Anyone seeing 'Verifying cache files' every time Firestorm  4.6.5.40833 starts ? Friggin annoying when testing stuff.
2014-06-14 16:11 <lkalif> yes
2014-06-14 16:12 <zadark> The lights are on at #phoenixviewer, but no one seems to be at home
2014-06-14 16:12 <zadark> Can I switch it off?
2014-06-14 16:12 <lkalif> they don't use irc, you have to login to SL, Firestorm Support English group
2014-06-14 16:13 <zadark> ah ok, useful info thanks
2014-06-14 16:14 <AliciaRaven> phoenix isnt maintained by firestorm now, was taken over by a group called vr
2014-06-14 16:15 <zadark> Well it does say, Welcome to Firestorm viewer support then you join the channel
2014-06-14 16:16 <zadark> That was set by tank master may 17, 2014
2014-06-14 16:16 <zadark> no worries
2014-06-14 16:17 <AliciaRaven> zadark: k, if u got questions about the old pheonix code i know the guy thats taken it over from firestorm
2014-06-14 16:18 <zadark> I'm not using phoenix, using firestorm, some web page said use phoenicviewer irc
2014-06-14 16:18 <AliciaRaven> ah ok
2014-06-14 16:47 <LiruCookies> lkalif: We released viewer code for it, that much can be kept consistent.
2014-06-14 16:54 <nebadon_laptop> lkalif are you capturing the replex crashes i send in?
2014-06-14 16:56 <nebadon_laptop> lkalif i can no longer log in with Replex
2014-06-14 16:56 <nebadon_laptop> but Singularity lets me log in
2014-06-14 16:56 <nebadon_laptop> you should have just gotten 4 or 5 crashes from me if you are indeed capturing them
2014-06-14 16:56 <lkalif> I didn't get any crashes past 24 hrs
2014-06-14 16:56 <lkalif> unless that was in the last 1 hr
2014-06-14 16:56 <nebadon_laptop> like 5 seconds ago
2014-06-14 16:57 <lkalif> it's batch processed once an hour
2014-06-14 16:57 <nebadon_laptop> about to get another
2014-06-14 16:58 <nebadon_laptop> and another
2014-06-14 16:58 <nebadon_laptop> so yea I can no longer log in, even cleared cache
2014-06-14 16:58 <LiruCookies> nebadon_laptop: Take a look at your log file
2014-06-14 16:59 <LiruCookies> If you're on linux ~/.secondlife/logs/replex.log 
2014-06-14 16:59 <LiruCookies> I should think
2014-06-14 17:00 <nebadon_laptop> its 0 bytes
2014-06-14 17:00 <nebadon_laptop> oh wait
2014-06-14 17:00 <lkalif> it's crashing in LLCacheName::getFullName
2014-06-14 17:00 <nebadon_laptop> nvm sorry i found it
2014-06-14 17:00 <nebadon_laptop> what the heck
2014-06-14 17:00 <nebadon_laptop> i did clear the cache
2014-06-14 17:01 <nebadon_laptop> the log doesnt really show much of anything that looks like crash messages
2014-06-14 17:01 <nebadon_laptop> all looks pretty normal
2014-06-14 17:01 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Can I see a stack?
2014-06-14 17:01 <lkalif> LiruCookies: sure http://crash.replex.org/
2014-06-14 17:02 <LiruCookies> My account has no access to the system
2014-06-14 17:02 <lkalif> LiruCookies: added
2014-06-14 17:02 <LiruCookies> Danke
2014-06-14 17:02 <lkalif> I had to switch to Oauth2, Google depreciated OpenID
2014-06-14 17:03 <LiruCookies> lkalif: We noticed, could you provide the source changes for this?
2014-06-14 17:04 <LiruCookies> Also, this looks like code I recently may have touched
2014-06-14 17:04 <LiruCookies> Hm...  no..
2014-06-14 17:05 <lkalif> it's creating active speakers scroller
2014-06-14 17:06 <lkalif> and crashes in UUID -> name resolution
2014-06-14 17:07 <lkalif> callback
2014-06-14 17:08 <lkalif> LiruCookies: re. crash processor, it's under https://github.com/replex-viewer/ on github (oauth2 thing)
2014-06-14 17:10 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Dankies~
2014-06-14 17:11 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Maybe we don't have names yet?
2014-06-14 17:11 <nebadon_laptop> the odd part is it was fine last night
2014-06-14 17:11 <nebadon_laptop> worked all night, then first log in today i get instacrash
2014-06-14 17:12 <lkalif> LiruCookies: it crashes on line 446 BOOL res = impl.getName(id, first_name, last_name);
2014-06-14 17:12 <LiruCookies> Kill your name cache
2014-06-14 17:12 <lkalif> perhaps impl is not created yet
2014-06-14 17:12 <lkalif> in LLCacheName
2014-06-14 17:12 <lkalif> I wonder what change is causing this
2014-06-14 17:13 <LiruCookies> But that's an object, it should exist.. it's notlike a pointer
2014-06-14 17:13 <LiruCookies> In static context or in a constructor, perhaps..
2014-06-14 17:16 <lkalif> LiruCookies: were there any changes in populating nearby user list? It passes through IsLinden, parhaps somo colorization for lindens or something+
2014-06-14 17:18 <lkalif> hmm, I didn't separate local chache folder location yet
2014-06-14 17:19 <lkalif> LiruCookies: which means Singularity and Replex will share name.cache
2014-06-14 17:19 <lkalif> 
ACTION puts that on TODO

2014-06-14 17:20 <LiruCookies> lkalif: No, it's going through there to find out whether or not we can enable the mute button
2014-06-14 17:21 <LiruCookies> lkalif: You're not allowed to mute gods. (Yes, I say gods instead of lindens, in opensim you can put yourself on the god name list and not be muted)
2014-06-14 17:21 <LiruCookies> Not be muted by singularity, that is.
2014-06-14 17:22 <LiruCookies> It's part of the OpenSimExtras
2014-06-14 17:24 <LiruCookies> lkalif: That's right in lldir
2014-06-14 17:24 <LiruCookies> indra/llvfs/lldir.cpp
2014-06-14 17:24 <LiruCookies> vim +/SingularityViewer64 indra/llvfs/lldir.cpp 
2014-06-14 17:24 <LiruCookies> lkalif: If you use vim and want a quick ride to where you want to be.
2014-06-14 17:32 <lkalif> thanks
2014-06-14 17:33 <LiruCookies> Yepyep.
2014-06-14 17:41 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: btw. I just built latest an hour ago http://files.streamgrid.net/replex/
2014-06-14 17:41 <lkalif> doubt it will change anything with that crash, but you might give it a shot
2014-06-14 17:42 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-06-14 17:43 <nebadon_laptop> the viewer is telling me I am up to date already lkalif
2014-06-14 17:43 <nebadon_laptop> I am definitely not though
2014-06-14 17:43 <nebadon_laptop> looks like the previous viewer is not aware of the new alpha release
2014-06-14 17:44 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Would there be a nice way to link up the login wrapper to the alpha builds page?
2014-06-14 17:44 <LiruCookies> lkalif: like have it query?
2014-06-14 17:46 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: it's manually selected, the version, I have not updated that
2014-06-14 17:46 <nebadon_laptop> ah ok
2014-06-14 17:46 <nebadon_laptop> ya no difference
2014-06-14 17:46 <nebadon_laptop> should be getting a crash
2014-06-14 17:46 <nebadon_laptop> ok sent
2014-06-14 17:46 <nebadon_laptop> I wonder why out of the blue this is happening
2014-06-14 17:46 <nebadon_laptop> last night before i went to bed, it worked fine
2014-06-14 17:46 <nebadon_laptop> now this morning i crash 
2014-06-14 17:50 <lkalif> depending on how much time you have, you might want to see which build it crashes first from http://files.streamgrid.net/replex/
2014-06-14 17:50 <lkalif> like start wiht 5853 see if that works
2014-06-14 17:54 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-06-14 17:54 <nebadon_laptop> will try to get to that in a bit
2014-06-14 17:56 <nebadon_laptop> wierd
2014-06-14 17:56 <nebadon_laptop> it seems I can log into any grids
2014-06-14 17:57 <nebadon_laptop> let me try sl
2014-06-14 17:57 <lkalif> can't or can?
2014-06-14 17:57 <nebadon_laptop> sorry can't log into any grids
2014-06-14 17:57 <nebadon_laptop> even SL
2014-06-14 17:57 <nebadon_laptop> wtf
2014-06-14 17:58 <nebadon_laptop> no hung viewers or anything
2014-06-14 17:59 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: open %localappdata% folder, delete Singularity* from there
2014-06-14 17:59 <lkalif> (not separated yet)
2014-06-14 17:59 <lkalif> SingularityViewer and SingularityViewer64
2014-06-14 18:00 <nebadon_laptop> no change still crashes
2014-06-14 18:02 <lkalif> open %appdata%\SecondLife\user_settings rename settings_replexalpha.xml to something else (will reset all your prefs)
2014-06-14 18:03 <lkalif> you can rename it back if it wasn't it
2014-06-14 18:03 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-06-14 18:04 <nebadon_laptop> that seemed to work lkalif
2014-06-14 18:05 <LiruCookies> Wait
2014-06-14 18:05 <lkalif> some setting got tripped that is causing it
2014-06-14 18:05 <LiruCookies> This is because of a specific setting already
2014-06-14 18:06 <LiruCookies> It's from ActiveSpeakers being shown by default
2014-06-14 18:06 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: don't delete that settings file you renamed
2014-06-14 18:06 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-06-14 18:06 <nebadon_laptop> you want it?
2014-06-14 18:07 <lkalif> yes please
2014-06-14 18:07 <nebadon_laptop> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6c9e4bfce75b1d199df4
2014-06-14 18:08 <LiruCookies> Should see if nebadon_laptop could copy the settings over and just remove that one settings change that we know is responsible for opening active speakers
2014-06-14 18:08 <nebadon_laptop> fo voice?
2014-06-14 18:08 <nebadon_laptop> i do have that window open a lot
2014-06-14 18:08 <LiruCookies> Leave that window open, log out, and then try opening the viewer
2014-06-14 18:09 <LiruCookies> If it happens again, something weird is going on
2014-06-14 18:09 <lkalif> LiruCookies: which setting is that?
2014-06-14 18:09 <LiruCookies> It says it write in the llstartup idle_startup call
2014-06-14 18:09 <LiruCookies> I think
2014-06-14 18:09 <LiruCookies> ShowActiveSpeakers
2014-06-14 18:10 <Plugh> diva: ping
2014-06-14 18:11 <lkalif> LiruCookies: can repro
2014-06-14 18:11 <LiruCookies> That's strange, I'm going to attempt it on my build, once I finish rebuilding
2014-06-14 18:12 <LiruCookies> I'm adding dynamic hiding of the export perms in the default permissions floater
2014-06-14 18:12 <LiruCookies> Because I'm working on that overhaul
2014-06-14 18:13 <LiruCookies> If we're on SL, we don't want that stuff showing, and I don't want to have two different floater xmls just for this
2014-06-14 18:14 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: so you can rename that file back to settings_replexalpha.xml, edit it, find ShowActiveSpeakers and change Value to 0
2014-06-14 18:14 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: and don't leave that window open for now :P
2014-06-14 18:14 <lkalif> when logging out
2014-06-14 18:14 <LiruCookies> I should have this fixed soon, though
2014-06-14 18:15 <lkalif> great
2014-06-14 18:15 <LiruCookies> If I repro
2014-06-14 18:15 <LiruCookies> Which I clearly should
2014-06-14 18:15 <lkalif> it probably will
2014-06-14 18:15 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-06-14 18:15 <nebadon_laptop> thanks guys
2014-06-14 18:16 <LiruCookies> nebadon_laptop: If you're interested in who is talking, you can see that in the radar, by the way
2014-06-14 18:16 <nebadon_laptop> its more for adjusting volumes
2014-06-14 18:16 <LiruCookies> Ahhh
2014-06-14 18:17 <LiruCookies> You can adjust volumes in the << panel of local
2014-06-14 18:17 <nebadon_laptop> each person
2014-06-14 18:17 <nebadon_laptop> ?
2014-06-14 18:17 <LiruCookies> Yep
2014-06-14 18:17 <LiruCookies> Click on their names, it's the same exact panel type.
2014-06-14 18:18 <LiruCookies> I call that a participant list, because that's what it's called in code.
2014-06-14 18:20 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-06-14 18:20 <LiruCookies> Used to be called active speakers panel, but that makes less sense because they don't have to be speaking when it's used in group chats and otherwise where you're no in voice.
2014-06-14 18:20 <LiruCookies> And my build is finishing.
2014-06-14 18:29 <LiruCookies> It cuts off very nicely
2014-06-14 18:30 <lkalif> cuts off?
2014-06-14 18:30 <LiruCookies> The default perms export area
2014-06-14 18:31 <LiruCookies> You'll see when I push it
2014-06-14 18:33 <diva> pong Plugh
2014-06-14 18:34 <Plugh> I'm setting up WiFi for someone using 0.7.6. I think there is one out of date bit in the set up instructions and one possible error.
2014-06-14 18:34 <Plugh> It says to add the service connector to the end of the long list in Robust's [Startup] but there isn't that long list like there was at one point.
2014-06-14 18:35 <diva> what instructions are these?
2014-06-14 18:35 <Plugh> READMEWIFI.txt
2014-06-14 18:36 <Plugh> it is in the .zip file.
2014-06-14 18:37 <diva> not sure what you are saying. These is usually a long list of connectors in the robust.ini.example file
2014-06-14 18:38 <Plugh> ok, you didn't mean the long string with the list of connectors. Just the multiple lines with connectors.
2014-06-14 18:38 <diva> yes
2014-06-14 18:40 <diva> the Wifi.ini.example that made it to the package has something extraneous that you should comment. At the bottom of the WifiService section, WifiAddon_GridUserManagement, just comment that line if you find it uncommented
2014-06-14 18:40 <Plugh> The correction for that section is that it isn't in [Startup] but in [ServiceList].
2014-06-14 18:40 <Plugh> I add -> DivaServiceConnector = "8002/Diva.Wifi.dll:WifiServerConnector"
2014-06-14 18:40 <Plugh> s/add/added/
2014-06-14 18:40 <diva> ok
2014-06-14 18:41 <Plugh> The error is in step 4 of Installation Instructions in the .txt file. It says -> Copy all files under WIFIDIR/bin onto ROBUSTDIR/bin
2014-06-14 18:41 <Plugh> Should that be -> Copy all files under WIFIDIR/bin into ROBUSTDIR
2014-06-14 18:41 <Plugh> ?
2014-06-14 18:41 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Not Reproducing, I need to login, maybe?
2014-06-14 18:42 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Ah! there we go
2014-06-14 18:43 <lkalif> LiruCookies: yep it crashes during login sequence, towards the end of it
2014-06-14 18:43 <Plugh> diva: The difference is whether the contents of the bin directory from WiFi is supposed to be a sub-directory of the directory containing Robust or those files go in to the top level of the directory with Robust.
2014-06-14 18:44 <LiruCookies> Impl is a reference member...
2014-06-14 18:44 <diva> Plugh it's exactly as I typed
2014-06-14 18:44 <Plugh> ok, so it is a sub-directory of Robust.
2014-06-14 18:44 <diva> where do you see that?
2014-06-14 18:45 <Plugh> The same place
2014-06-14 18:45 <diva> cp $WIFIDIR/bin/* $ROBUSTDIR/bin
2014-06-14 18:45 <Plugh> I have no bin sub-directory
2014-06-14 18:45 <Plugh> $ROBUSTDIR is the one containing Robust.exe
2014-06-14 18:46 <diva> ok, that's non-standard, so you should adapt
2014-06-14 18:47 <Plugh> I separate out Robust and instance from the source tree.
2014-06-14 18:47 <diva> sure but usually executables and their dlls are under a directory named bin
2014-06-14 18:47 <Plugh> I copy the OpenSImSourceTree/bin to Robust to run Robust
2014-06-14 18:48 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Wow... this makes no sense..
2014-06-14 18:49 <Plugh> The Robust executables and DLLs are all in the same dir. They just aren't in a directory called bin.
2014-06-14 18:49 <diva> they should :)
2014-06-14 18:49 <Plugh> Why? My RobustDir would be empty except for a directory called bin.
2014-06-14 18:49 <lkalif> LiruCookies: corruption could be happening elsewhere
2014-06-14 18:50 <LiruCookies> lkalif: I'm going to break early and check impl, it is a reference to a pointer, maybe something went wrong there...
2014-06-14 18:51 <diva> Plugh, you can do whatever you want! :) My executables, like those of about 99% of software out there, especially in the linux world, live under folders named bin. We do that in OpenSim too.
2014-06-14 18:51 <lkalif> LiruCookies: I could try going over the replex builds to see where it starts
2014-06-14 18:52 <Plugh> You might not be quite understanding how I'm doing things but no matter. The answer to the question is the bin/* files need to be in the same directory where the Robust.exe is located.
2014-06-14 18:53 <LiruCookies> lkalif: gCacheName is null
2014-06-14 18:53 <LiruCookies> lkalif: I don't even..
2014-06-14 18:54 <smxy> As near as I can tell, Plugh, you seem to always do things the most difficult way imaginable, and then run into issues that no one else has, and wonder why. :)
2014-06-14 18:54 <smxy> You *must* be a masochist. :)
2014-06-14 18:54 <LiruCookies> HAH!
2014-06-14 18:54 <LiruCookies> Solved
2014-06-14 18:56 <Plugh> diva, one other thought. In the WiFiService section you have an entry for Grid Name. There is a similar setting in GridInfoService. Just wondering why you didn't just pick up the value from there. Is that so you can have a longer version of the grid name for use in the WiFi pages?
2014-06-14 18:56 <Plugh> smxy: You expect everyone to copy the entire source tree and rename it Robust just so you can have a ROBUSTDIR/bin folder? That would be pretty stupid thing to do.
2014-06-14 18:57 <diva> Plugh, as a general principle in OpenSim we don't reuse variables from other sections that have nothing to do with our feature. There are only a couple of exceptions in the code base. It's a very good principle.
2014-06-14 18:57 <Plugh> diva, ok. Makes sense.
2014-06-14 18:58 <smxy> No. Actually, I run all my instances, include Robust, directly from one copy of the code. Nothing writes to bin - not even me, for configuration. It always stays perfectly pristing and can simply be swapped for a new one when needed. :)
2014-06-14 18:58 <smxy> pristine*
2014-06-14 18:58 <LiruCookies> lkalif: It's somewhat interesting why this happened, a static pointer must create static versions of its nonstatic member functions... otherwisse we would have crashed when trying to call a function using the null pointer..
2014-06-14 19:01 <lkalif> LiruCookies: its https://github.com/replex-viewer/replex/commit/fa0de18ffed2ba9a24de124db589879adab8b1ed
2014-06-14 19:01 <lkalif> [Voice Update] Small sync, less warning spam is likely
2014-06-14 19:02 <Plugh> smxy: ok, so you are using the command line parameters to specify where to get the INI files and where to store the log files.
2014-06-14 19:02 <LiruCookies> lkalif: That commit caused it?
2014-06-14 19:02 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Because my fix will look nothing like that commit... this was a disaster waiting to happen, actually.
2014-06-14 19:02 <smxy> Yes. I wrote a series of shell scripts to automate updating and running my grid.
2014-06-14 19:03 <smxy> And every time I update, I spend about 5 minutes with Beyond Compare, to update my config files with whatever changes have been made.
2014-06-14 19:03 <lkalif> LiruCookies: firt replex buiild that crashes is 5938 http://files.streamgrid.net/replex/?build_id=5938
2014-06-14 19:06 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Well, my fix fixes it
2014-06-14 19:07 <lkalif> that's the important part :)
2014-06-14 19:07 <lkalif> let me know whan it's pushed please
2014-06-14 19:08 <LiruCookies> It'll be pushed in a bit...there's something wrong with permissions and that's the large commit I have staged... large in it touches too many files to want to redo it
2014-06-14 19:08 <lkalif> ok
2014-06-14 19:26 <Plugh> diva: The person that sent me the wifi package must have given me a bad version. On start up Robust is complaining about a problem loading plugin from Diva.GridUserManagement.dll and I don't see a DLL with that name.
2014-06-14 19:28 <LiruCookies> lkalif: So, apparently, using a pointer, even if null, you can call a nonstatic nonvirtual member function, this may be classified as undefined behavior by the standard, but it works this way.
2014-06-14 19:28 <LiruCookies> lkalif: This was never the intent of the code, though.
2014-06-14 19:28 <LiruCookies> lkalif: But it is something to keep in mind when looking at the crashes.
2014-06-14 19:29 <lkalif> LiruCookies: so now you fixed it not to use this undefined behaviour?
2014-06-14 19:29 <LiruCookies> Yepyep
2014-06-14 19:29 <lkalif> nice :)
2014-06-14 19:29 <LiruCookies> I'll have it pushed in a sec, gotta test if my button repositioning is perfect... I like things to look nice.
2014-06-14 19:30 <LiruCookies> Sweeet, it's perfect.
2014-06-14 19:45 <LiruCookies> Awh, I can't git mv files yet... because the repos are down on bitbucket
2014-06-14 19:45 <LiruCookies> Eh, no biggy, I'll do that later.
2014-06-14 19:46 <lkalif> you use bitbucket?
2014-06-14 19:46 <LiruCookies> I don't remember what the new file name was for floater_perm_prefs
2014-06-14 19:46 <LiruCookies> I use it to update to LL stuff
2014-06-14 19:47 <LiruCookies> pushed
2014-06-14 19:47 <LiruCookies> I don't think that cap is live on LL grid yet...
2014-06-14 19:47 <lkalif> for some reason I often type git --fetch all
2014-06-14 19:48 <lkalif> instead of git fetch --all
2014-06-14 19:48 <LiruCookies> I stopped fetching all a while ago, I have too many sources.
2014-06-14 19:48 <lkalif> hmm, why in the world I have a conflict there
2014-06-14 19:48 <LiruCookies> I generally have unique names that I can just hit one letter and tab complete.
2014-06-14 19:48 <LiruCookies> Yes, why would you...
2014-06-14 19:49 <LiruCookies> Lemme see where you're at.
2014-06-14 19:50 <LiruCookies> Nothing I can think of...
2014-06-14 19:50 <LiruCookies> What file?
2014-06-14 19:50 <lkalif> http://i.imgur.com/y6XJkXQ.png
2014-06-14 19:51 <lkalif> llfloaterperms.cpp
2014-06-14 19:51 <LiruCookies> You shouldn't even have that function
2014-06-14 19:52 <LiruCookies> Obviously, don't take head.
2014-06-14 19:52 <LiruCookies> Because we now use type+"old_name" in a loop
2014-06-14 19:52 <lkalif> yeah I will just git checkout --theirs 
2014-06-14 19:52 <lkalif> I have not modified that file, dunno what git is up to
2014-06-14 20:03 <lkalif> LiruCookies: build failed http://tinyurl.com/puqjtb6
2014-06-14 20:09 <lkalif>  LiruCookies gcc and clang parse "not" as !
2014-06-14 20:09 <lkalif> renaming not to something else fixes it
2014-06-14 20:10 <lkalif> or just deleting it in the header
2014-06-14 20:12 <lkalif> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1433345/or-is-not-valid-c-why-does-this-code-compile/1433352#1433352
2014-06-14 20:15 <lkalif> LiruCookies: C++ defines keywords to act as aliases for a number of symbols that function as operators: and (&&), bitand (&), and_eq (&=), or (||), bitor (|), or_eq (|=), xor (^), xor_eq (^=), not (!), not_eq (!=), compl (~).
2014-06-14 20:18 <lkalif> I had no idea you could write if (a or b) in c++. you learn something new every day
2014-06-14 20:22 <LiruCookies> lkalif: I'm aware of this, actually, I just thought that it'd take precedence
2014-06-14 20:23 <lkalif> you fix it so I don't have another conflict ;)
2014-06-14 20:24 <LiruCookies> You'll have one anyway, because git is a genius with resolving conflicts.
2014-06-14 20:24 <LiruCookies> Oh, duh, I knew keywords took precedence...  I'm getting forgetful.
2014-06-14 20:27 <LiruCookies> I'm very proud of my fix
2014-06-14 20:27 <LiruCookies> It's pushed
2014-06-14 20:27 <lkalif> ty
2014-06-14 21:26 <lkalif> nebadon_laptop: a new build is ready that fixes the crash: http://files.streamgrid.net/replex/
2014-06-14 21:31 <nebadon_laptop> fantastic, thanks!
2014-06-14 21:33 <lkalif> LiruCookies: ^
2014-06-14 21:49 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Nice
2014-06-14 22:42 <lkalif> LiruCookies: http://i.imgur.com/Vepat2X.png
2014-06-14 22:42 <LiruCookies> lkalif: I got that too
2014-06-14 22:42 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Find out if the new LL viewer does that?
2014-06-14 22:43 <LiruCookies> I'm gonna go find if it happens on Opensim
2014-06-14 22:47 <lkalif> 
ACTION is watching England - Italy

2014-06-14 22:51 <LiruCookies> So it doesn't happen on opensim
2014-06-14 22:51 <lkalif> this was on SL, main chan
2014-06-14 22:51 <LiruCookies> Yep
2014-06-14 22:51 <LiruCookies> I think we're getting invalid caps... or something
2014-06-14 22:52 <LiruCookies> I'll check on beta grid
2014-06-14 22:53 <LiruCookies> Happens on beta grid too
2014-06-14 22:54 <LiruCookies> 2014-06-14T22:53:05Z WARNING: HTTPGetResponder::completedRaw: CURL GET FAILED, status:404 reason:NOT FOUND
2014-06-14 23:06 <LiruCookies> Var regions are this release, right? The one that's about to be born?
2014-06-14 23:09 <lkalif> yep
2014-06-14 23:14 <lkalif> LiruCookies: shouldn't this be a log file entry instead of the alert anyway?
2014-06-14 23:20 <LiruCookies> lkalif: No... Apparently not...
2014-06-14 23:21 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Actually, it's both
2014-06-14 23:21 <LiruCookies> lkalif: But... I don't know... JYap made some weird decisions
2014-06-14 23:23 <LiruCookies> I just noticed that should OpenSim ever implement events, they won't be 100% compatible with VarRegions, there's 256 stuffs for the location of the event that are hardcoded into the event notifier
2014-06-14 23:23 <LiruCookies> For the viewer, that is
2014-06-14 23:24 <LiruCookies> But events don't work in Opensim, do they?
2014-06-14 23:27 <LiruCookies> Oh! Actually, they could work!
2014-06-14 23:28 <smxy> Plugh: I'm pretty sure Diva told you to comment out the grdmanagement thing.
2014-06-14 23:29 <diva> yeah, Plugh, comment that out.
2014-06-14 23:31 <AliciaRaven> LiruCookies, events do work in os
2014-06-14 23:40 <LiruCookies> Oh ... then I think we should check they work in var regions
2014-06-14 23:40 <LiruCookies> With positioning and such
2014-06-14 23:41 <AliciaRaven> i can help u out if u need an event setup in a location greater than 255
2014-06-14 23:55 <AliciaRaven> the create event is hard coded to point at second life :( even tho it pops up asking if you want to visit the grids site
2014-06-14 23:58 <AliciaRaven> LiruCookies, position is wrong aswell
2014-06-15 00:10 <LiruCookies> Lame
2014-06-15 00:52 <smxy> I just noticed something nice, that Replex does, that other viewers should do.
2014-06-15 00:53 <smxy> When I cam waaaaaay back, to take a picture of my region, sculpties don't turn into blobs. They hold their shape. With FS, at least, they turn to blobs.
2014-06-15 00:55 <smxy> A;so, the water doesn't "break". I'm not sure how to describe what FS does, but it's like parts of the water go away whjen you cam waaaaay back.
2014-06-15 00:55 <smxy> Also*
2014-06-15 01:00 <LiruCookies> Singularity should be the same way
2014-06-15 01:12 <smxy> It's very nice. You can take great pictures with it.
2014-06-15 01:20 <smxy> Can Replex/Singularity import thngs exported with Imprudence?
2014-06-15 01:21 <lkalif> probably not
2014-06-15 01:22 <smxy> It would be awesome if they could ... a lot of Arcadia Asylum's stuff was exported and made available wit that.
2014-06-15 01:27 <smxy> Hmm. Apparently you can still download Imprudence. I didn't think you could.
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2014-06-15 01:37 <smxy> It crashes immediately, on my iMac. It also wants Java 6 installed for some reason.
2014-06-15 01:49 <LiruCookies> smxy: If you can't import it, it will yell at you
2014-06-15 02:16 <xso> Are there any pre-configred distributions other then the Diva that might have currency & groups enabled off the start?
2014-06-15 02:36 <xso> if I choose to configure/build on .8 what are the risks i run on stability/usability
2014-06-15 02:36 <diva> we're about to make a release, you may want to wait a few more days
2014-06-15 02:41 <diva> or you can start going with rc3, which is the release candidate, and pretty close to what the final release will be
2014-06-15 02:41 <xso> alright sounds good Im really pumped I have quite a few servers ready to go up on some hardcore 100/mbps and 1000/mbps internet connections.... building a hypergrid for my lady.... 
2014-06-15 02:42 <xso> But I have had some problems setting up currency and voice. :(
2014-06-15 02:43 <xso> I will likely wait sorry to mention the diva thing the only reason I dont want to go with that is because it comes pre-configured with wifi and I would rather not go with that - everything seems so complicated to me right now
2014-06-15 02:44 <xso> but since the servers are still propegating I will wait the few days for the new release
2014-06-15 02:45 <diva> the diva distro is not for multi-server grids. It's an hypergrided standalone. If you plan to have many servers, d2 is not for you
2014-06-15 02:46 <diva> you will find that you will need a web app, though, for basic things olike creating accounts
2014-06-15 02:47 <Keygruin> you can use the Osgrid binary release, it's been through a week's worth of testing already, just change the configs to suite your network and situation
2014-06-15 03:30 <xso> I just read the release notes I think I will wait till its official release - I downloaded the OSgrid's package it seems incomplete... there were some notes on the release notes that said something about it having trouble with MySQL which is what i will be using...
2014-06-15 03:32 <nebadon_laptop> no trouble with MySQL that I know of
2014-06-15 03:33 <nebadon_laptop> and OSgrid release is 99.9999% the same as core
2014-06-15 03:33 <nebadon_laptop> all we do is add 2 modules, osprofile and ossearch dlls to bin
2014-06-15 03:33 <nebadon_laptop> otherwise its pretty much same as the core release
2014-06-15 03:36 <smxy> Where are these release notes that say it has trouble with MySQL?
2014-06-15 03:54 <xso> Known issues :   Arbitrary key:value storage for regions has not yet been implemented for SQLite or MSSQL. This is necessary for temporary attachments settings to be persisted. This functionality is considered experimental.
2014-06-15 03:54 <xso> my bad misread
2014-06-15 03:59 <smxy> :)
2014-06-15 05:00 <xso> so I should use the Osgrid binary release and just replace the Dll's when u guys release the new version?
2014-06-15 05:04 <diva> if you want to start before the release I suggest you use the release candidate package. The profiles feature that Osgrid uses is not the same as the one in core. Unless you plan to connect your sims to osgrid, there is no reason to use that configuration. The release candidate is here: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Download (scroll to Next release) But be prepared to spend several hours 
2014-06-15 05:04 <diva> configuring things, if this is the first time you are doing this. 
2014-06-15 05:04 <diva> possibly days
2014-06-15 05:08 <diva> and if this is the first time you are doing this, it may very well be worth starting with connecting a simulator to OSGrid. That way you start to have a feel for what's involved on the simulator side, before tackling the central services side
2014-06-15 05:08 <diva> in other words: the best next step for you depends on your level of expertise
2014-06-15 05:08 <diva> (expertise with opensim)
2014-06-15 05:10 <diva> the best path for learning opensim is (1) diva distro or OSgrid sim; (2) run your own grid
2014-06-15 05:22 <Plugh> diva: Got wifi running. I'm seeing some warning(?) messages about cast errors in the Robust console but other than that, no problem.
2014-06-15 05:24 <diva> Plugh if you want to take full advantage of Wifi, and eliminate those cast errors, you should use Diva.MySQL.dll instead of OpenSim.MySQL.dll
2014-06-15 05:26 <diva> my dll is an extension of core's, it grabs a few more things from the database, like the number of users currently logged in displayed on the spalsh page
2014-06-15 05:26 <diva> if you don't care about that, you can use the opensim dll; the information will simply be wrong
2014-06-15 05:43 <Plugh> diva: I am using Diva.MySQL.dll
2014-06-15 05:45 <Plugh> Not a big deal. I was just getting installed for someone else.
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2014-06-15 10:04 <djphil> Hello, where I can see the Replex Features?
2014-06-15 11:30 <LiruCookies> djphil: They're the same as the Singularity ones.
2014-06-15 11:30 <djphil> any difference ?
2014-06-15 11:30 <djphil> why replex then ?
2014-06-15 11:31 <LiruCookies> It's a rebrand because Latif wants to keep building the latest and greatest but doesn't want to work directly with the project anymore.. I believe..
2014-06-15 11:31 <LiruCookies> lkalif: ping
2014-06-15 11:34 <djphil> replex is temporary ?
2014-06-15 11:34 <LiruCookies> I'm not even sure.
2014-06-15 11:34 <djphil> ok, ping ping lkalif rhen :)
2014-06-15 11:34 <djphil> then*
2014-06-15 11:35 <LiruCookies> I'm a Singularity developer, a very active one, so while my name appears frequently in the chages, I'm not very sure what the fate of the viewer itself is.
2014-06-15 11:35 <LiruCookies> changes8
2014-06-15 11:38 <djphil> Imagine for a simple user like me then :p
2014-06-15 11:38 <djphil> stay connected ^^
2014-06-15 11:43 <djphil> i see Replex is focused to performance ...
2014-06-15 11:48 <AliciaRaven> replex looks alot better
2014-06-15 11:48 <AliciaRaven> the UI i mean
2014-06-15 11:54 <djphil> ok but with singularity it is possible to create your own skin ... then it can be pretty as
2014-06-15 11:58 <LiruCookies> AliciaRaven: Better than what?
2014-06-15 12:01 <LiruCookies> The skin?  Singularity can be reskinned too, we just don't package as many skins, we have a separate skins package to download.
2014-06-15 12:06 <djphil> where is this package ?
2014-06-15 12:17 <LiruCookies> Right on the downloads section of the website
2014-06-15 12:51 <lkalif> djphil: Replex is basically Singularity, with a new name and skin
2014-06-15 12:51 <lkalif> And regulary built alphas
2014-06-15 12:52 <lkalif> http://files.streamgrid.net/replex/
2014-06-15 12:53 <djphil> only renamed and skinning kalif ? no improvement or others ?
2014-06-15 12:53 <djphil> yeah i have it already and put it to download on my website
2014-06-15 12:54 <djphil> but i whant to write articles with features :)
2014-06-15 12:54 <lkalif> There are plenty of new features since the last build of Singularity
2014-06-15 12:54 <djphil> ty for info Liru, i found "Our skins package may be downloaded from here, it is compliant with 1.8.1 and newer." :)
2014-06-15 12:54 <lkalif> LiruCookies has been very busy
2014-06-15 12:55 <djphil> have you a list perhabs ?
2014-06-15 12:55 <lkalif> For example, there are fixes for fitted mesh, some people have seen spikes go to region corner
2014-06-15 12:55 <lkalif> that has been fixed
2014-06-15 12:56 <lkalif> also 64 bit windows viewer not supports parcel media (quicktime)
2014-06-15 12:56 <djphil> coll, i'm just testing fitted mesh (with avastar and new sl skeleton too)
2014-06-15 12:57 <lkalif> not - now
2014-06-15 12:57 <lkalif> typo
2014-06-15 12:58 <lkalif> I will write up a changelog since Singularity 1.8.5
2014-06-15 12:59 <lkalif> had started on it anyway, since I was preparing for 1.8.6 relase
2014-06-15 13:01 <djphil> tyvm
2014-06-15 13:01 <djphil> please send me url when you have done :)
2014-06-15 14:03 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-15 14:03 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-06-15 14:04 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-06-15 14:06 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-06-15 14:12 <osmantis> Bug #7212:04 Sim crash caused by hypergrid inventory duplicate key 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7212 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 14:12 <osmantis> Bug #7212:04 Sim crash caused by hypergrid inventory duplicate key 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7212 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-06-15 14:14 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 14:20 <osmantis> Bug #7212:04 Sim crash caused by hypergrid inventory duplicate key 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7212 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 14:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #3641 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-15 14:27 <osmantis> Bug #7212:04 Sim crash caused by hypergrid inventory duplicate key 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7212 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 14:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3641: SUCCESS in 4 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3641/
2014-06-15 14:31 <osjenkins> diva: Manual change as per patch in mantis #7212. (the patch failed to apply, but the fix was good) Thanks FreakyTech.
2014-06-15 14:34 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 14:44 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 14:51 <lkalif> http://www.replex.org/wp/changelog/
2014-06-15 14:51 <lkalif> djphil: ^
2014-06-15 14:52 <djphil> tycm :)
2014-06-15 14:52 <djphil> v*
2014-06-15 14:55 <LiruCookies> lkalif: •Beacon enhancements (Jonathan Yap)
2014-06-15 14:55 <LiruCookies> Where's that coming from?
2014-06-15 14:55 <lkalif> commit log
2014-06-15 14:55 <LiruCookies> I don't remember that, which commit?
2014-06-15 14:55 <lkalif> you did that
2014-06-15 14:56 <LiruCookies> Oh that
2014-06-15 14:56 <lkalif> beacony stuff, was that not jyap?
2014-06-15 14:57 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 14:57 <LiruCookies> Tracking beacons now show altitude by using two different colors, red and blue, yes... Yap's implementation was poor, it assumed no one is over 4090
2014-06-15 14:57 <lkalif> LiruCookies: 29d5c951c522bb7507d4d05fd0ff12fa7d77c975 commit message said "Jonathan Yap's beacon enhancements, with a Singular twist!"
2014-06-15 14:58 <lkalif> I guess I should add , Lirusaite in the paren there
2014-06-15 14:58 <LiruCookies> I think I also cleaned up him using a string as though it were a boolean.
2014-06-15 14:58 <lkalif> fixed
2014-06-15 14:59 <LiruCookies> Made this comply with hypergrid... did I really mean hypergrid? I think I would mean varregion... but I have no idea what that change even was anymore.
2014-06-15 15:00 <LiruCookies> Oh, no, I did mean hypergrid
2014-06-15 15:03 <lkalif> hmm, I missed toolbar buttons
2014-06-15 15:03 <LiruCookies> •URL links are how clickable grom most of the viewer (Lirusaito)
2014-06-15 15:03 <LiruCookies> ^I'm not convinced that works.
2014-06-15 15:03 <LiruCookies> •Improvements to viewer branding support 
2014-06-15 15:03 <LiruCookies> ^Add Cinder into there.
2014-06-15 15:03 <lkalif> ok
2014-06-15 15:04 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 15:05 <LiruCookies> Is that everything? I feel like there's a lot more from the past few days
2014-06-15 15:07 <lkalif> I didn't mention every change. As always I try to find what end user might find interesting.
2014-06-15 15:07 <LiruCookies> Azerty support
2014-06-15 15:07 <lkalif> I did miss toolbar buttons.
2014-06-15 15:07 <lkalif> LiruCookies: what's that about?
2014-06-15 15:08 <LiruCookies> In other countries, like france, the keyboard is not a qwerty layout
2014-06-15 15:08 <lkalif> but what does that do in the viewer?
2014-06-15 15:08 <LiruCookies> wasd becomes zqsd
2014-06-15 15:08 <lkalif> aah
2014-06-15 15:08 <LiruCookies> This allows you to move with that
2014-06-15 15:08 <LiruCookies> Also, it's dynamic reload.
2014-06-15 15:09 <LiruCookies> Portability mode is good too
2014-06-15 15:09 <LiruCookies> DoF options 
2014-06-15 15:09 <lkalif> protability is hard to explain in changelog
2014-06-15 15:10 <LiruCookies> Emergency Teleport
2014-06-15 15:11 <lkalif> LiruCookies: could you please edit what you think needs editing here https://gist.github.com/lkalif/b090b6da5753f2cb030b
2014-06-15 15:12 <LiruCookies> I was actually about to leave my laptop for a while, lkalif .
2014-06-15 15:12 <lkalif> whenever, I plan to keep this page constantly updated
2014-06-15 15:14 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 15:15 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 16:08 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 16:18 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 16:20 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 16:22 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 16:26 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 16:40 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 16:43 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 16:47 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 16:49 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 16:55 <AliciaRaven> diva, is grid gods being included in parcel auto return wanted behaviour or u think they should be exempt?
2014-06-15 16:56 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 16:58 <diva> AliciaRaven: it doesn't matter to me. Melanie_ might care
2014-06-15 16:59 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 16:59 <AliciaRaven> k thanks, im changing it for my grid, will submit a patch later incase its wanted
2014-06-15 17:04 <AliciaRaven> nevermind lol if they rez under the land group it wont be returned, thats good enough for me
2014-06-15 17:39 <smxy> A PHP implementation of ROBUST ... interesting.
2014-06-15 17:40 <nebadon_laptop> smxy there already is one
2014-06-15 17:40 <smxy> Yes, Simiangrid
2014-06-15 17:40 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-06-15 17:40 <smxy> Now there's anoth.
2014-06-15 17:40 <smxy> +er
2014-06-15 17:40 <nebadon_laptop> ah 
2014-06-15 18:00 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 18:36 <osmantis> Bug #7218:04 [Bullet] Delay processing script collision events 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7218 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-15 19:13 <Melanie_> AliciaRaven: autoreturn for grid gods is intentional
2014-06-15 19:14 <Melanie_> imagne a grid god setting up a temprezzer.....
2014-06-15 19:14 <Melanie_> not thinking that temp objects are also handled by the autoretur handler
2014-06-15 19:14 <Melanie_> and filling the sim that way
2014-06-15 19:14 <Melanie_> i did, at one point, think that maybe autoreturn could be made to skip grid god objects if they are locked
2014-06-15 19:15 <Melanie_> that is a statement of intent, locking it, so that may be useful
2014-06-15 19:15 <AliciaRaven> ah i was thinking more about general returns and if prebuilt homes were rented out the new owner could return the whole lot
2014-06-15 19:15 <Melanie_> well, that can happen to regular landlords, too
2014-06-15 19:15 <AliciaRaven> thanks Melanie_, didnt realise that about temp objects
2014-06-15 19:16 <Melanie_> not just grod gods
2014-06-15 19:16 <Melanie_> of course there is a solution to the "returning the house" problem
2014-06-15 19:16 <AliciaRaven> yep, maybe check region manager instead of grid god status
2014-06-15 19:16 <Melanie_> parcel off a single plot, like the house(parts) to single prims just under ground in that plot
2014-06-15 19:16 <Melanie_> so for the renter, they're off parcel
2014-06-15 19:17 <Melanie_> and then just not let them have rights in that small plot
2014-06-15 19:17 <Melanie_> link*
2014-06-15 19:17 <AliciaRaven> thats how i was getting round it, well im my case i made sure the root prim was the streat outside
2014-06-15 19:17 <Melanie_> yup
2014-06-15 19:18 <AliciaRaven> does mean all prims have to be linked, but not much of an issue
2014-06-15 19:18 <Melanie_> yes. linked doors have become the norm
2014-06-15 19:18 <Melanie_> so doors are not a real issue anymore
2014-06-15 19:18 <Melanie_> back in the days doors needed to be separate
2014-06-15 19:19 <Melanie_> but today you can even have an actual doorknob and still linke the door
2014-06-15 19:19 <Melanie_> simply make it from mesh
2014-06-15 19:19 <AliciaRaven> do u think it would be better to not return the estate owner when the parcel owner returns or leave it as is?
2014-06-15 19:20 <Melanie_> generally, the parcel owner has the right to clear all prims off his parcel
2014-06-15 19:20 <Melanie_> i think that having objects that can't be returned is disruptive to the user experience
2014-06-15 19:21 <Melanie_> but of course ymmv
2014-06-15 19:21 <Dev_Random> does opensim enforce linkability rules (e.g. http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linkability_Rules) ?
2014-06-15 19:21 <Melanie_> i would probably make it so that i have a rezzer that can put the house back
2014-06-15 19:21 <Melanie_> then allow the renter to delete the house of he wants to build his own
2014-06-15 19:21 <paulieflomar_u> Has development of Singularity stopped? Will Replex fixes be added to Singularity?
2014-06-15 19:22 <Melanie_> when he leaves, kick the rezzer and all is as before
2014-06-15 19:22 <Melanie_> Dev_Random: rules are enforced in a much looser fashion
2014-06-15 19:22 <Melanie_> i believe there are some limits but they are much more permissive
2014-06-15 19:22 <AliciaRaven> Melanie_, makes sense, i was going to have the parcel saved as an oar and if needed i could load it with merge and offsets
2014-06-15 19:23 <Melanie_> paulieflomar_u: singu still does development but lkalif used to run the build server. singu will have it's own new build server soon. yes, fixes made in replex will go into sungu, afaik
2014-06-15 19:23 <Melanie_> so once singu has a new build server, there shall be alphas again
2014-06-15 19:24 <paulieflomar_u> Thx :)
2014-06-15 19:24 <LiruCookies> paulieflomar_u: Singularity is where Replex gets most of its stuff from, actually.
2014-06-15 19:30 <smxy> The two are very incestuous. :)
2014-06-15 20:19 <smxy> LiruCookies: There is one thing I really dislike, compared to FS and that's the landmark Favorites. In the inventory, FS lets me order them, in the folder, which orders them where they are displayed. And I can use them, from the favorites bar, with one click, but in Singularity and Replex, I have to go to World --> Favorites, find the one I want, double-click it, then close the floater. 
2014-06-15 20:19 <smxy> Waaaaaay to much work, by comparison.
2014-06-15 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 21:24 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 21:59 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 22:00 <lkalif> Go Bosnia! :)
2014-06-15 22:13 <diva> are you from Bosnia lkalif?
2014-06-15 22:14 <lkalif> diva: Í was born there, yeah
2014-06-15 22:28 -!- Wanderer_42(~kvirc@dslb-084-060-130-155.pools.arcor-ip.net) has left #opensim-dev
2014-06-15 23:04 <AliciaRaven> with ode physics there is MinimumGroundFlightOffset, does bullet have a comparable setting? when flying the avatar just does a belly flop onto the floor
2014-06-15 23:09 <LiruCookies> smxy: 1. That feature is there to appease you since there is no favorites.  2. One does not double-click from a menu in a secondlife viewer, one simply clicks once.  3. There's a button for it in the toolbar now, stop complaining, it takes literally one click to open... if you don't like that then don't use the viewer.
2014-06-15 23:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #3642 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-15 23:31 <osmantis> Bug #7217:04 The sim can on occasions introduce faulty GridUser entries that prevent setting HomePositions correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7217 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-15 23:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3642: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3642/
2014-06-15 23:34 <osjenkins> diva: Behavior change: only local users can set home in any parcel of a grid. Setting it for foreign users does not make  sense, since cntrl+shift+H always teleports them back to their original grid.
2014-06-15 23:34 <Melanie_T> aah i had been wondering what happend there. makes sense
2014-06-16 01:37 <smxy> LiruCookies: The toolbar buttons thing you told me about in IM is very useful. It's nice having some of the stuff I use a lot, out in the open. Thanks. Again, sorry if my comments before lacked tact. My apologies.
2014-06-16 01:38 <LiruCookies> Mhm
2014-06-16 01:38 <lkalif> CSS is hard ;)
2014-06-16 01:40 <smxy> A suggestion, if I may?
2014-06-16 01:41 <smxy> Now that the Favorites floater can be popped up with a click, is it possible that the button could be a toggle, so it coses it too? Or maybe have it auto-close on teleport? But if those are also difficult, then forget I mentioned it. :)
2014-06-16 01:41 <smxy> closes*
2014-06-16 01:45 <smxy> lkalif: ping
2014-06-16 01:47 <lkalif> 
ACTION is trying to gret http://www.replex.org/wp/changelog/ to look simple and decent

2014-06-16 01:47 <lkalif> what's up smxy 
2014-06-16 01:48 <smxy> The latest Replex alpha doesn't seem to like my iMac, or vice versa. It won't fully start, saying that it can't access some file and might be because another copy is running (wasn't). Then I'd have to kill it off. Deleting that version and going back one rev, works fine.
2014-06-16 01:48 <lkalif> yes, I think I know what's up
2014-06-16 01:48 <smxy> ah, good.
2014-06-16 01:49 <lkalif> in your home dir, open Library/Caches
2014-06-16 01:49 <smxy> Okay, I'll try the next one you put out then and just skip the problem one for now.
2014-06-16 01:49 <smxy> oh, ok
2014-06-16 01:49 <lkalif> make directory called Replex
2014-06-16 01:50 <lkalif> I have changed the location of cache folder, but it does not created for some reason
2014-06-16 01:50 <lkalif> if you make it manually it works
2014-06-16 01:50 <smxy> aha
2014-06-16 01:50 <smxy> I'll try that
2014-06-16 01:51 <lkalif> You can from commandline do: mkdir -p ~/Library/Caches/Replex/
2014-06-16 01:53 <smxy> I had to reinstall it.
2014-06-16 01:54 <smxy> Makng the directory did make it happy. Thanks.
2014-06-16 01:56 <lkalif> Do we agree that http://www.replex.org/wp/changelog/ looks simple and half-decent?
2014-06-16 01:57 <smxy> I don't know if you're asking me, but I think it looks great.
2014-06-16 01:58 <lkalif> thanks. asking everyone ;)
2014-06-16 02:01 <smxy> Though it might be nice to say what the Commin section is in common with, though I'd imagine most could correctly intuit it. :)
2014-06-16 02:01 <smxy> Common*
2014-06-16 02:03 <lkalif> Supposed to be "responsive design", ie. the page should look great on mobile phones
2014-06-16 02:03 <smxy> Hmm. Totally missed the "Changes since Singularity 1.8.5" line. I know I need new glasses, but geez.
2014-06-16 02:03 <lkalif> with menu navigation and all
2014-06-16 02:03 <LiruCookies> smxy: I am going to make it a toggle, but that change conflicts with my other branch
2014-06-16 02:03 <smxy> Oh, what are you doing there?
2014-06-16 02:03 <smxy> Maybe that's better. :)
2014-06-16 02:04 <lkalif> LiruCookies: you got an android device that has not been updated recently, right?
2014-06-16 02:05 <LiruCookies> yep
2014-06-16 02:05 <LiruCookies> Nexus One, last OEM update.
2014-06-16 02:05 <lkalif> I'd be curious to know if http://www.replex.org/wp/changelog/ works there
2014-06-16 02:06 <LiruCookies> sec
2014-06-16 02:07 <smxy> LiruCookies: The toggle thing was just a suggestion. If you've got something different going on in your branch that you think's better, we can wait for that rather than create a conflicting feature.
2014-06-16 02:08 <LiruCookies> aside from the menu button image being squished next to the text, it works, and beautifully.
2014-06-16 02:10 <lkalif> cool
2014-06-16 02:10 <lkalif> tinkering payed off 
2014-06-16 02:19 <smxy> BTW, are there donation buttons so that folks can support these viewers?
2014-06-16 02:19 <smxy> We get an awful lot for free ...
2014-06-16 02:21 <lkalif> Singularity has donations, but that's a black hole
2014-06-16 02:22 <smxy> What do you mean?
2014-06-16 02:23 <lkalif> the money is not spent on those who contribute the most
2014-06-16 02:24 <smxy> It goes to infrastructure costs, then?
2014-06-16 02:25 <lkalif> not until now. I payed that from my own pocket
2014-06-16 02:26 <smxy> I recall you mentioning that.
2014-06-16 02:32 <smxy> I don't know if this is the correct term, but Replx/Singularity seem to have a long perspective. As I look directly at something, it seems further away that it looks in other viewers, and as I turn, it seems to move closer, to it's normal perspective, until it passes out of view and what is moving to in fronto of me moves further out, in perspective. What causes that, and is it adjustable?
2014-06-16 02:33 <nebadon_laptop> smxy in preferences
2014-06-16 02:33 <nebadon_laptop> Input & Camera
2014-06-16 02:34 <nebadon_laptop> there are 2 sliders that might be what your looking for
2014-06-16 02:34 <smxy> Okay. I'll play with them. Thanks.
2014-06-16 02:35 <smxy> I don't think it's bad, but for some reason it messes with my head.
2014-06-16 02:40 <smxy> nebadon_laptop: Thanks. It was the view angle that was doing it.
2014-06-16 02:40 <nebadon_laptop> what # did you change it to?
2014-06-16 02:41 <smxy> .72, what FS has. I'll see if I can find a number in between that doesn't mess with my head. :)
2014-06-16 02:42 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/funny_camera.png
2014-06-16 02:42 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-06-16 02:43 <smxy> heh
2014-06-16 02:44 <smxy> it really stretches it out. :)
2014-06-16 02:50 <smxy> Replex/Sinmgularity is sure easy on the computer. My fans never rev up when I'm using that and they always do with FS.
2014-06-16 02:50 <smxy> -m
2014-06-16 04:01 <diva> does anyone know if Singularity already has the Oculus patches?
2014-06-16 04:02 <nebadon> I dont think so
2014-06-16 04:02 <LiruCookies> diva: LL only recently released oculus viewer source, No viewer that I know has integrated it
2014-06-16 04:03 <diva> but the AltCntrlStudio viewer has it
2014-06-16 04:03 <LiruCookies> diva: But Latif said he'd do a trial merge 
2014-06-16 04:03 <diva> oh cool
2014-06-16 04:03 <LiruCookies> No it doesn't, it has its own
2014-06-16 04:03 <diva> is it that different?
2014-06-16 04:03 <LiruCookies> Completely
2014-06-16 04:03 <diva> is LL's better?
2014-06-16 04:04 <LiruCookies> Probably? Latif haf good thibgs to say about LL's
2014-06-16 04:05 <diva> I hope we get that in Singularity soon! We may have ppl from OculusVR at OSCC'14 in November...
2014-06-16 04:06 <LiruCookies> When Oculus goes RC, we'll be able to release our own
2014-06-16 04:07 <diva> different from LL?
2014-06-16 04:08 <diva> and what do you mean? What do you need?
2014-06-16 04:08 <nebadon> diva with this tool you can make the LL viewer log into opensim
2014-06-16 04:08 <nebadon> https://github.com/lkalif/patch_oz/downloads
2014-06-16 04:09 <diva> well, we don't want to have ppl use that...
2014-06-16 04:09 <nebadon> http://download.cloud.secondlife.com/Viewer_3/Second_Life_Project_OculusRift_3_7_8_289834_i686_Setup.exe
2014-06-16 04:09 <LiruCookies> Huh? No, our own release of integrated LL oculus code
2014-06-16 04:09 <nebadon> oh i know
2014-06-16 04:09 <nebadon> i mean if you wanted to try it out
2014-06-16 04:10 <LiruCookies> We cannot release LL code until it goes RC
2014-06-16 04:10 <diva> oh i see "when oculus goes RC" meant "when Oculus support in the LL viewer goes RC" :) I thought you were talking about the Oculus SDK
2014-06-16 04:10 <LiruCookies> They get upset, when they get upset they work in secret repos and surprise us with code dumps and we have merge pains 
2014-06-16 04:11 <LiruCookies> sorry, am on a phone, heading out.
2014-06-16 04:11 <diva> np
2014-06-16 13:33 <djphil> Is it normal llClearLinkMedia does not support face "ALL_SIDES" ?
2014-06-16 13:34 <djphil> I ask because I wonder if I should do a mantis for this ...
2014-06-16 13:35 <djphil> Currently it seems to not work with "ALL_SIDES" but it works well with 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
2014-06-16 13:48 <frnic> someone provide the name and/or link to the software that lets me monitor what packets are being sent and received by OS - something like winproxy?
2014-06-16 13:52 <frnic> gridproxy?
2014-06-16 13:58 <nebadon> ya wingridproxy
2014-06-16 13:58 <nebadon> its part of libomv
2014-06-16 13:58 <frnic> thanks, do I have to build it, or is there a built copy someplace?
2014-06-16 13:59 <nebadon> http://lib.openmetaverse.org/wiki/Main_Page
2014-06-16 13:59 <nebadon> there probably is a binary somewhere on that site
2014-06-16 13:59 <frnic> thank you very much
2014-06-16 18:08 <xso> I have 5 Databases setup for my Robust installation ....  Currency, Estates, Profiles, Robust & Main...     In GridCommon.ini its asking for a ConnectString (not Estate Connect) I was wondering which database I use for that line
2014-06-16 18:09 <xso> Main or Robust?
2014-06-16 18:19 <lkalif> frnic: what operating system?
2014-06-16 18:20 <xso> Centos
2014-06-16 18:20 <frnic> Ikalif - I run OSX, WIndows 8.1, Debian, and Ubuntu
2014-06-16 18:21 <frnic> I would prefer the proxy on Windows or OSX
2014-06-16 18:21 <lkalif> frnic: for WinGridProxy you can download the binary of libopenmetaverse, best for Window
2014-06-16 18:21 <frnic> cool, thanks. 
2014-06-16 18:21 <lkalif> frnic: I also have a GTK# version, that work well on Linux and Mac
2014-06-16 18:21 <lkalif> actually windows too
2014-06-16 18:21 <lkalif> let me fish up the link to the binary
2014-06-16 18:21 <frnic> could I get a binary for the OSX?
2014-06-16 18:21 <frnic> I run Mavericks
2014-06-16 18:22 <lkalif> https://files.streamgrid.net/singularity/misc/gp.tar.bz2
2014-06-16 18:22 <lkalif> this will run as long as you have mono installed
2014-06-16 18:23 <lkalif> (and you might need to start it from the terminal)
2014-06-16 18:23 <frnic> I currently run mono 3.4.0 on OSX - I need to update to 3.6 I think
2014-06-16 18:24 <lkalif> 3.4 should be fine
2014-06-16 18:24 <lkalif> frnic: did you installed the prebuilt download? that comes with GTK#
2014-06-16 18:24 <frnic> No, I always build my own.
2014-06-16 18:25 <frnic> Is there a 3.4 or 3.6 prebuild with GTK?
2014-06-16 18:25 <lkalif> hmm, then I doubt it will run
2014-06-16 18:25 <lkalif> frnic: yes, 3.4.0 http://www.go-mono.com/mono-downloads/download.html
2014-06-16 18:26 <frnic> Thanks, I will install that and give it a try. I appreciate the help. I want to learn what I can about region crossings
2014-06-16 18:31 <Wanderer_42> Hi. Can someone please have a look ?  Can ignore that ?  Should i delte the asset-  and assetcache-directorys ?  http://pastebin.com/zS5sRPpF
2014-06-16 18:48 <nebadon> Wanderer_42 I personally do not think this is anything to worry about
2014-06-16 18:49 <nebadon> let me look again one more time
2014-06-16 18:50 <nebadon> what it looks like to me is that flotsam cache was trying to read or write to a file and its locked
2014-06-16 18:50 <nebadon> basically something else was already reading that
2014-06-16 18:50 <nebadon> do all your regions share the same cache folder location?
2014-06-16 18:51 <nebadon> this could possibly be the result of running more than one region per simulator with regions with a lot of content
2014-06-16 18:52 <nebadon> I have seen this happen before when more than 1 region shares the same cache location
2014-06-16 18:56 <Wanderer_42> yes, i use one instance in one directory. But as i mentioned in the file: I started just one region alone. And got that message as well
2014-06-16 18:57 <Wanderer_42> I explored then the whole region (the corresponding places) : It seems, all meshes are there. I am a bit afraid, that maybe ghost-prims could evolve that way
2014-06-16 18:58 <Wanderer_42> But ok, i will ignore that, as you suggested above
2014-06-16 18:58 <nebadon> seems unlikely
2014-06-16 18:59 <nebadon> is this 32 bit windows
2014-06-16 18:59 <nebadon> ?
2014-06-16 18:59 <nebadon> or might you be using OpenSim.32bitlaunch.exe?
2014-06-16 19:00 <Wanderer_42> Its Win7 ultimate 64 Bit. And i start opensim-exe directly
2014-06-16 19:00 <nebadon> ok
2014-06-16 19:01 <Wanderer_42> you mean, a mantis would be "senseless" ?
2014-06-16 19:02 <nebadon> no
2014-06-16 19:02 <nebadon> want to try something a bit more drastic/
2014-06-16 19:02 <nebadon> ?
2014-06-16 19:02 <nebadon> make a folder called c:\fcache1
2014-06-16 19:03 <nebadon> then in Flotsamcache.ini
2014-06-16 19:03 <nebadon> point your cache there
2014-06-16 19:03 <nebadon> and start the simulator and lets see what happens
2014-06-16 19:03 <nebadon> I personally advise againts storing your fcache in bin anyway
2014-06-16 19:03 <nebadon> makes upgrading more difficult
2014-06-16 19:04 <Wanderer_42> and just delete the asset and assetcache-directory is a bad idea ?
2014-06-16 19:05 <Wanderer_42> just the content of course
2014-06-16 19:05 <nebadon> dont delete asset
2014-06-16 19:05 <nebadon> thats not fcache related
2014-06-16 19:05 <nebadon> thats the default opensim assets for robust and standalones
2014-06-16 19:05 <nebadon> never touch that folder
2014-06-16 19:06 <Wanderer_42> ok, Thank you. I copy that chat into my "knowledge"-file. I stll have much to learn
2014-06-16 19:11 <nebadon> and Wanderer_42 you can name your fache folder whatever you want
2014-06-16 19:11 <nebadon> i would however in the future avoid using symbols
2014-06-16 19:11 <nebadon> underscore or dash is ok
2014-06-16 19:11 <nebadon> but dont use !! in your path
2014-06-16 19:11 <nebadon> not a good idea
2014-06-16 19:12 <Wanderer_42> i dont knew that. I have some "!" in the path
2014-06-16 19:12 <Wanderer_42> i will change that. Thanks for that hint
2014-06-16 19:12 <nebadon> ya I cant say for sure it is causing problems
2014-06-16 19:12 <nebadon> but its one of those best practices things you should avoid
2014-06-16 19:12 <Wanderer_42> I make that, do sort some folders at the top
2014-06-16 19:13 <nebadon> use 00-
2014-06-16 19:13 <nebadon> if you want to do that
2014-06-16 19:13 <Wanderer_42> yes, thats works too
2014-06-16 20:49 <lkalif> a commit in 3, 2, 1... ;)
2014-06-16 20:50 <diva> lol
2014-06-16 20:50 <justincc> I couldn't disappoint
2014-06-16 20:50 <lkalif> hehe
2014-06-16 20:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #3643 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-16 20:55 <dahlia> 
ACTION wonders why the materials module would even be invoked if there was no default texture entry

2014-06-16 20:55 <dahlia> maybe there's a glitch in the protocol
2014-06-16 20:55 <justincc> it's a good question, but someone sent me that stack trace by e-mail.  Normally I woudl ask them to post a Mantis but I wanted to fix it quickly for the release
2014-06-16 20:56 <justincc> from a quick look at libomv code, one might only expect there to be no DefaultTexture if it has been manually removed somewhere or the texture entry was less than 16 bytes for some reason
2014-06-16 20:56 <dahlia> well also I think the materials module sometimes creates texture entry
2014-06-16 20:56 <justincc> oh ok
2014-06-16 20:56 <dahlia> cant remember for sure
2014-06-16 20:57 <dahlia> the protocol is a serious hack and unreasonably complex
2014-06-16 20:58 <justincc> tbh, I should have let it go on reflection since it just causes the object add to fail and is probably very rare and maybe due to corruption
2014-06-16 20:58 <justincc> don't recall it having been reported anywhere else
2014-06-16 20:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3643: SUCCESS in 8 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3643/
2014-06-16 20:58 <osjenkins> jjustincc: In materials module, if a texture entry somehow has no default entry then don't try to extract materials data rather than throw an exception
2014-06-16 20:59 <dahlia> I'd be curious how it happened. Perhaps something changed in one of the viewers or it's a new implementation in a viewer or something
2014-06-16 21:01 <dahlia> anyway maybe the log should reflect some unforseen condition occured but an exception is kinda lame
2014-06-16 21:01 <justincc> yeah, could log the event
2014-06-16 21:01 <justincc> I
2014-06-16 21:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #3644 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-16 21:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3644: SUCCESS in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3644/
2014-06-16 21:16 <osjenkins> jjustincc: If processing a queued request fails up to the top of the stack, log the exception and move to the next request rather than terminate the simulator.
2014-06-16 21:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #3645 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-16 21:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3645: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3645/
2014-06-16 21:25 <osjenkins> jjustincc: If MaterialsModule unexpected sees a part with DefaultTexture of null, log this with a warning.
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2014-06-17 09:09 <osmantis> Bug #7219:04 Export Permission: Default Library Textures are not exportable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7219 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-17 13:10 <LiruCookies> lkalif: You awake?
2014-06-17 13:14 <lkalif> yep
2014-06-17 13:14 <lkalif> LiruCookies: ^
2014-06-17 13:23 <LiruCookies> lkalif: I need to know if scripts in object inventory have unique ids 
2014-06-17 13:23 <lkalif> they are faked by the server
2014-06-17 13:24 <lkalif> if I remember correctly the server will send a different uuid each time you request content of an object
2014-06-17 13:24 <LiruCookies> But the server will call them all the same while we're working with them, right?
2014-06-17 13:25 <LiruCookies> I'm redoing scriptcounter, a user requested it to work like scripted script counters work, counting running scripts, so I'm adding running script count
2014-06-17 13:25 <lkalif> I don't recall exactly how this works. I remember LL implementing some "security" measure that prevented script IDs to be known by the client.
2014-06-17 13:26 <LiruCookies> Oh!
2014-06-17 13:26 <LiruCookies> It must work
2014-06-17 13:27 <LiruCookies> because script editor works on those ids
2014-06-17 13:28 <lkalif> remember there is also inventor id, and asset id. perhaps it was asset id that was faked.
2014-06-17 15:35 <osmantis> Bug #7220:04 Hypergrid jump from OSGrid to Kitely Welcome Center confuses viewer / server about worn attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7220 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-17 15:38 <paulieflomar> Does anyone know where to report Kitely bugs?
2014-06-17 15:39 <paulieflomar> I'm not sure whether Mantis 7220 is a Kitely bug or an OpenSim bug.
2014-06-17 15:41 <osmantis> Bug #7220:04 Hypergrid jump from OSGrid to Kitely Welcome Center confuses viewer / server about worn attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7220 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-17 15:42 <LiruCookies> lkalif: I finished working on the script counter, I have a bunch more work incoming from another machine, though
2014-06-17 15:50 <lkalif> LiruCookies: cool
2014-06-17 16:20 <osmantis> Bug #7221:04 [PATCH] Initial upwards force when flying to act more like ode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7221 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-17 16:20 <osmantis> Bug #7221:04 [PATCH] Initial upwards force when flying to act more like ode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7221 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-06-17 16:28 <lkalif> AliciaRaven: I like that patch!
2014-06-17 16:29 <AliciaRaven> thanks lkalif, was starting to annoy me that i couldnt even fly over the street curb lol
2014-06-17 16:29 <lkalif> I really miss the initial push up when starting flying
2014-06-17 16:29 <AliciaRaven> yep, its one of those things u dont think about till its not there
2014-06-17 16:49 <LiruCookies> ohmy, yes, that's one of those thigs
2014-06-17 16:50 <lkalif> I think I'm done tinkering with the Replex web site ;)
2014-06-17 16:50 <lkalif> http://www.replex.org/
2014-06-17 16:58 <AliciaRaven> looks great lkalif, screenshot would be good tho
2014-06-17 16:59 <lkalif> Thanks. This is bare minimum legally required by LL for viewers based on their source :)
2014-06-17 17:11 <lkalif> I enjoy making web sites way to much :P
2014-06-17 17:20 <nebadon> AliciaRaven : ping
2014-06-17 17:20 <AliciaRaven> hey nebadon
2014-06-17 17:21 <nebadon> hey testing your patch i found a problem
2014-06-17 17:21 <AliciaRaven> oops what is it?
2014-06-17 17:21 <nebadon> you can not hold pg down and fly over ground anymore
2014-06-17 17:21 <nebadon> it lands you
2014-06-17 17:21 <nebadon> in older ODE and Bullet this doesnt happen
2014-06-17 17:21 <nebadon> I didnt try SL 
2014-06-17 17:21 <AliciaRaven> k thanks, i will go take alook
2014-06-17 17:21 <nebadon> thanks
2014-06-17 17:22 <nebadon> if we can work that out I will have no problem applying the patch
2014-06-17 17:22 <lkalif> holding page down lands you on sl
2014-06-17 17:22 <nebadon> oh
2014-06-17 17:22 <nebadon> as you are moving forward?
2014-06-17 17:22 <nebadon> fly forward and hold page down
2014-06-17 17:22 <lkalif> not on the first touch. but if you persist a bit
2014-06-17 17:22 <nebadon> in older bullet and ODE you keep flying
2014-06-17 17:23 <nebadon> ok let me test SL too
2014-06-17 17:23 <nebadon> if it matches SL then we will just move forward with this patch as is
2014-06-17 17:27 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, im trying page down with my patch, and its not landing me, just pushed down but carries on flying
2014-06-17 17:27 <nebadon> interesting
2014-06-17 17:27 <nebadon> wonder what is different about Sisyphus
2014-06-17 17:27 <nebadon> at Sisyphus I land almost everytime
2014-06-17 17:27 <nebadon> maybe its the size of your avatar that matters
2014-06-17 17:27 <AliciaRaven> thats testing on windows 64, i havnt tried it on my linux servers yet
2014-06-17 17:27 <nebadon> can you try at Sisyphus on OSgrid?
2014-06-17 17:28 <nebadon> ok im on opensuse 64 bit wtih mono 3.2.8
2014-06-17 17:28 <AliciaRaven> ok comming over there now
2014-06-17 17:28 <nebadon> thanks
2014-06-17 17:28 <nebadon> I was using latest replex viewer to test
2014-06-17 17:29 <AliciaRaven> that could be it, i was using firestorm
2014-06-17 17:30 <lkalif> but this patch only aplies impulse when starting to fly, right? should not affect landing?
2014-06-17 17:31 <AliciaRaven> not exactly, it applys impulse if the avatar is below a certain level above ground, still wouldnt expect it to affect landing tho
2014-06-17 17:32 <lkalif> hmm, that seems to be the wrong way to go about it. is it possible to apply the force only on state change, ie. only when starting to fly?
2014-06-17 17:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #3646 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-17 17:33 <AliciaRaven> testing on nebadons, it only lands me if my feet hit the ground
2014-06-17 17:34 <AliciaRaven> lkalif, i done it that way so if u fly into land it will force up up over it
2014-06-17 17:34 <nebadon> i cant fly more than about a meter if i hold page down
2014-06-17 17:35 <nebadon> however if i fly in a circular pattern it seems to not land me
2014-06-17 17:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3646: SUCCESS in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3646/
2014-06-17 17:37 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Update dev version to 0.8.1
2014-06-17 17:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #3647 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-17 17:37 <nebadon> I get same results with Firestorm AliciaRaven
2014-06-17 17:37 <nebadon> maybe something with Avatar height
2014-06-17 17:37 <nebadon> what is your avatars height?
2014-06-17 17:38 <AliciaRaven> 2m
2014-06-17 17:38 <AliciaRaven> when u press page down long enough ur feet hit the ground and thats what ends flight for me
2014-06-17 17:38 <nebadon> i'll be damned
2014-06-17 17:38 <nebadon> that is what it was
2014-06-17 17:38 <nebadon> i was 2.13
2014-06-17 17:39 <nebadon> now at 2.0 its not doing it
2014-06-17 17:39 <nebadon> however
2014-06-17 17:39 <AliciaRaven> thats strange
2014-06-17 17:39 <nebadon> try doing it over  those bumps
2014-06-17 17:39 <nebadon> on the track
2014-06-17 17:39 <nebadon> see where my avatar is standing
2014-06-17 17:39 <nebadon> try flying over those while holding page down
2014-06-17 17:39 <nebadon> it really shoots you up
2014-06-17 17:40 <nebadon> hmm wierde
2014-06-17 17:40 <nebadon> i cant make it happen again, must have been random
2014-06-17 17:40 <nebadon> first time i flew over them just now my avatar shot up a few meters
2014-06-17 17:40 <AliciaRaven> k
2014-06-17 17:40 <nebadon> ya and now im landing again
2014-06-17 17:40 <nebadon> very odd
2014-06-17 17:40 <nebadon> I guess its just the current state of bulletsim
2014-06-17 17:41 <nebadon> im getting major lag flying around now
2014-06-17 17:41 <nebadon> wierd
2014-06-17 17:41 <AliciaRaven> did u have that before?
2014-06-17 17:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3647: SUCCESS in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3647/
2014-06-17 17:41 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Change assembly versions to 0.8.1
2014-06-17 17:41 <nebadon> oh man no wonder
2014-06-17 17:41 <nebadon> this region is using like 300% cpu
2014-06-17 17:41 <nebadon> wtf
2014-06-17 17:42 <AliciaRaven> its not that car over in the corner on the border is it?
2014-06-17 17:42 <AliciaRaven> if its physical and bouncing on the region edge
2014-06-17 17:42 <nebadon> oh let me see
2014-06-17 17:42 <nebadon> it probably is
2014-06-17 17:52 <nebadon> ok AliciaRaven better now after restart
2014-06-17 17:52 <nebadon> and I found something interesting
2014-06-17 17:52 <nebadon> as long as I dont fly in a straight line
2014-06-17 17:52 <nebadon> my avatar never lands
2014-06-17 17:53 <nebadon> as soon as i fly straight for about 1-2m my avatar lands
2014-06-17 17:53 <AliciaRaven> even if ur feet hit the floor?
2014-06-17 17:53 <nebadon> well im holding page down as I fly
2014-06-17 17:53 <nebadon> now sure how i would engage feet hitting ground
2014-06-17 17:54 <nebadon> anyway I think we can probably apply this patch for now
2014-06-17 17:55 <nebadon> I dont think this behavior is new honestly
2014-06-17 17:55 <AliciaRaven> k thanks, not sure how my changes would cause the landing issue
2014-06-17 17:55 <nebadon> ya I dont think it does honestly
2014-06-17 17:55 <AliciaRaven> for me it still only stops if my avatar collides with the ground
2014-06-17 17:56 <nebadon> though technically it should push me up when i get near ground?
2014-06-17 17:56 <nebadon> well holding page down its kind of hard not to collide with the ground
2014-06-17 17:56 <AliciaRaven> yes
2014-06-17 17:56 <AliciaRaven> and yep lol
2014-06-17 17:56 <nebadon> its just wierd it only happens for me if i fly in a straight line
2014-06-17 17:57 <nebadon> ok im heading to Wright Plaza for meeting
2014-06-17 17:57 <nebadon> about to start
2014-06-17 17:57 <AliciaRaven> i was trying on a sim with lots of mountains and stuff so i could see how it changed when the ground height changes
2014-06-17 17:57 <AliciaRaven> cool
2014-06-17 18:20 <paulieflomar> "Fly/Land on holding Up/Down" is a viewer choice in Singularity, maybe in other viewers, too. 
2014-06-17 21:26 <osmantis> Bug #7222:04 Mouselook camera height appears too low when compared to SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7222 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-17 21:40 <osmantis> Bug #1516:04 r 5059 - sitting on a default sphere chooses a different sit rotation than on LL grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-17 21:48 <osmantis> Bug #5621:04 Mouse look position uses root prim in linkset when sitting on child prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5621 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-17 22:13 <osmantis> Bug #7222:04 Mouselook camera height appears too low when compared to SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7222 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-17 22:19 <osmantis> Bug #7222:04 Mouselook camera height appears too low when compared to SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7222 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-17 22:20 <osmantis> Bug #7222:04 Mouselook camera height appears too low when compared to SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7222 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-06-18 02:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #3648 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-18 02:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3648: SUCCESS in 4 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3648/
2014-06-18 02:04 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: Add upward force to flight when close to the ground. Prevents current belly flop to the floor when flying with bullet physics and acts more like ODE and SL flight.
2014-06-18 02:15 <dahlia> nebadon: how do you know when the avie is close to the ground?
2014-06-18 02:17 <nebadon> i assume its here > ComputeMinFlightHeight
2014-06-18 02:17 <nebadon> AliciaRaven?
2014-06-18 02:18 <dahlia> oh nvm i didnt see alica as author
2014-06-18 02:18 <AliciaRaven> yep, ComputeMinFlightHeight is my method, but it is very similar to how vehical hover tests height above ground
2014-06-18 02:19 <dahlia> it checks the heightfield?
2014-06-18 02:19 <AliciaRaven> calls the getterrainheight and get waterheight methods
2014-06-18 02:19 <dahlia> ah ok
2014-06-18 02:20 <AliciaRaven> then if too close, it adds upwards force, just to nudge the avi up more like how sl and ode work
2014-06-18 02:20 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u23O2yedRNM
2014-06-18 02:20 <nebadon> :)
2014-06-18 02:21 <AliciaRaven> nice, i used to play flight sims alot
2014-06-18 02:21 <dahlia> need to bomb stuff and watch it explode :P
2014-06-18 02:21 <AliciaRaven> and plz shoot ruth! lol
2014-06-18 02:21 <dahlia> or at least lots of particle effects
2014-06-18 02:22 <nebadon> lol its actually just a hud
2014-06-18 02:22 <nebadon> in fly camera mode
2014-06-18 02:22 <nebadon> using a Ouya bluetooth gamepad
2014-06-18 02:22 <dahlia> I remember when I first joined SL push restriction didnt exist yet and the welcome areas were prime target areas
2014-06-18 02:23 <dahlia> we used to go to yadni's and get all these bombing weapons
2014-06-18 02:23 <dahlia> lots of particles and avatars would go flying off when you shot them :)
2014-06-18 02:23 <nebadon> hehe ya
2014-06-18 02:23 <dahlia> that was probably the most fun thing I remember from SL :D
2014-06-18 02:28 <dahlia> nebadon: if you're a pilot I'm NOT flying with you :P
2014-06-18 02:29 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-18 02:30 <nebadon> talk to me goose!
2014-06-18 02:31 <AliciaRaven> lol
2014-06-18 02:41 <Plugh> :)
2014-06-18 02:53 <osmantis> Bug #7221:04 [PATCH] Initial upwards force when flying to act more like ode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7221 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-18 02:54 <nebadon> AliciaRaven take a look at vegaslons message on that mantis
2014-06-18 02:54 <AliciaRaven> yes i was just reading, that would be a simple fix
2014-06-18 02:55 <AliciaRaven> just need to remove the water height part and only go on the level of the terrain
2014-06-18 03:00 <Ken_S> nebadon, that flight video is really cool! 
2014-06-18 03:01 <Ken_S> How did you get that jet hud on the screen in Replex?
2014-06-18 03:02 <nebadon> its just a prim cube
2014-06-18 03:02 <nebadon> with a texture attached to hud center
2014-06-18 03:02 <nebadon> then go into camera fly mode
2014-06-18 03:03 <nebadon> and disable menus with ctrl+alt+f1
2014-06-18 03:03 <nebadon> AliciaRaven ok
2014-06-18 03:04 <nebadon> can you whip up another patch?
2014-06-18 03:04 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, shall i upload another patch or will u tweek it?
2014-06-18 03:04 <nebadon> either is fine really
2014-06-18 03:04 <nebadon> but probably better if you fix it
2014-06-18 03:05 <AliciaRaven> sure, just gotta reboot, tortoise git updated and now i cant see the task bar lol
2014-06-18 03:05 <nebadon> ok no rush
2014-06-18 03:06 <nebadon> guess it was a good thing i forgot to close that mantis heh
2014-06-18 03:11 <AliciaRaven> yup :)
2014-06-18 03:17 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, new patch uploaded
2014-06-18 03:17 <AliciaRaven> now its not checking water height its alot simpler, i remove the method to get the height and used the call for terrain height directly
2014-06-18 03:18 <nebadon> ok
2014-06-18 03:18 <nebadon> let me have a look
2014-06-18 03:18 <osmantis> Bug #7221:04 [PATCH] Initial upwards force when flying to act more like ode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7221 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-18 03:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #3649 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-18 03:20 <osmantis> Bug #7221:04 [PATCH] Initial upwards force when flying to act more like ode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7221 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-06-18 03:20 <AliciaRaven> thanks nebadon :)
2014-06-18 03:20 <nebadon> no problem, thank you for the patches :)
2014-06-18 03:21 <AliciaRaven> np, working on another problem now lol
2014-06-18 03:21 <nebadon> nice
2014-06-18 03:21 <AliciaRaven> not sure where to start with it yet tho
2014-06-18 03:21 <nebadon> which one?
2014-06-18 03:21 <AliciaRaven> simulated projectiles in bullet have problems with the script not detecting collisions
2014-06-18 03:22 <nebadon> ah
2014-06-18 03:22 <nebadon> that probably effects many things
2014-06-18 03:22 <nebadon> like llVolumeDetect too
2014-06-18 03:22 <AliciaRaven> i think its because they hit the target, bounce off before the script has time to startup
2014-06-18 03:22 <nebadon> ah maybe
2014-06-18 03:22 <nebadon> I know llVolumeDetect sucks in Bullet too though
2014-06-18 03:23 <AliciaRaven> on my grid we have wands that shoot balls of fire, its causing us some problems lol
2014-06-18 03:23 <nebadon> hehe nice
2014-06-18 03:23 <nebadon> well I hope you can figure it out
2014-06-18 03:23 <AliciaRaven> they bounce off the target, hit something behind and then eventualy detect the collison
2014-06-18 03:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3649: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3649/
2014-06-18 03:23 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: Fix previous commit to ignore water height and allow flying underwater (swimming)
2014-06-18 03:24 <nebadon> ah ya
2014-06-18 03:24 <AliciaRaven> hope so, if not i have already added it to mantis incase some one else knows whats happening
2014-06-18 03:24 <nebadon> hmm
2014-06-18 03:24 <nebadon> let me check something
2014-06-18 03:24 <AliciaRaven> k
2014-06-18 03:25 <nebadon> hmm I dont think this will help but what is this set to on your region in [Xengine]
2014-06-18 03:25 <nebadon> MinTimerInterval
2014-06-18 03:25 <AliciaRaven> let me check
2014-06-18 03:25 <nebadon> try MinTimerInterval = 0.08 if you haven't just as a test
2014-06-18 03:26 <nebadon> probably wont help but with a try
2014-06-18 03:26 <AliciaRaven> we have it at the default
2014-06-18 03:26 <nebadon> 0.08 has it fire aproximately at the same time as the sim heartbeat
2014-06-18 03:26 <nebadon> Melanie hates this
2014-06-18 03:26 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-18 03:27 <nebadon> but i enjoy using it myself, but its not a good fix
2014-06-18 03:27 <nebadon> i just wonder if you notice any difference
2014-06-18 03:27 <AliciaRaven> k will try next time i do a restart
2014-06-18 03:28 <AliciaRaven> cant see the setting in defaults ini, is it hard coded?
2014-06-18 03:28 <nebadon> uhm it should just  be in OpenSim.ini I think
2014-06-18 03:29 <nebadon> its 0.5 by default maybe
2014-06-18 03:29 <AliciaRaven> ah sorry, found it, its commented out
2014-06-18 03:29 <nebadon> ya
2014-06-18 03:29 <AliciaRaven> 0.5 yep
2014-06-18 03:31 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, how do u think that could help tho?
2014-06-18 03:31 <AliciaRaven> no timers are involved in the script
2014-06-18 03:32 <nebadon> ya I wasnt sure if it effect all the events too
2014-06-18 03:32 <AliciaRaven> ah i see
2014-06-18 03:32 <nebadon> how often events would run as well, I was just curious
2014-06-18 03:32 <nebadon> worth a shot
2014-06-18 03:33 <AliciaRaven> i will give it ago, thanks :)
2014-06-18 03:33 <nebadon> like i said probably wont change anything
2014-06-18 03:33 <AliciaRaven> i should upload my patch for llRezObject aswell, although not sure how much i changed that
2014-06-18 03:33 <nebadon> even if it helps its probably not a good idea to use it if your doing combat stuff
2014-06-18 03:34 <AliciaRaven> between rezzing the projectile and applying the force, gravity was making it fall to the floor so i made some changes to it
2014-06-18 03:35 <nebadon> interesting
2014-06-18 03:35 <nebadon> Plugh might be interested in that, I think it was Plugh anyway
2014-06-18 03:35 <nebadon> for Fireworks displays
2014-06-18 03:36 <nebadon> I remember someone at Wright Plaza meetings talking about that not working a while back, I think it was him
2014-06-18 03:37 <AliciaRaven> i moved stuff around in the method, so that the force is applied as soon as possible after rezzing, but i did set the rezed object to 0 bouyancy aswell to stop it falling, that might not be wanted in general use
2014-06-18 04:25 <Plugh> 
ACTION wakes up

2014-06-18 04:25 <Plugh> nebadon: huh, what?
2014-06-18 04:25 <nebadon> hey
2014-06-18 04:25 <nebadon> werent you trying to get Fireworks scripts working at one point?
2014-06-18 04:26 <nebadon> and had problem with rezing them or something
2014-06-18 04:26 <nebadon> could have sworn that was you
2014-06-18 04:27 <Plugh> yea, I have an interest in them.
2014-06-18 04:28 <Plugh> The problem I have is with the launcher. First projectile after a restart doesn't go up as high (maybe half-height). After that first one I get more the expected height for the projectiles.
2014-06-18 04:28 <Plugh> It is like something isn't properly initialized in the physics engine.
2014-06-18 04:29 <Plugh> 
ACTION has been spending much of this evening (since dinner) going through photographs he has taken and uploading a bunch of them to his Flickr account.

2014-06-18 04:30 <nebadon> ya AliciaRaven I think is looking into that
2014-06-18 04:30 <Plugh> ok, great.
2014-06-18 04:30 <nebadon> I think anyway
2014-06-18 04:31 <Plugh> If she is I can look at it late tomorrow or the next day. Tomorrow I need to spend time trying to move some websites to a new web server.
2014-06-18 04:32 <nebadon> ya I dont know her eta she will probably speak up at some point :)
2014-06-18 04:32 <Plugh> sure, np.
2014-06-18 04:38 <Plugh> bbl
2014-06-18 04:39 <Misterblue> is there any good tools for testing if one's firewall is passing UDP?
2014-06-18 04:39 <Misterblue> I'm trying to bring up some regions on my home machine and I setup everything and can access the simulator's http server externally but I can't tp to my regions
2014-06-18 04:40 <Misterblue> some silly networking config is wrong
2014-06-18 04:40 <Misterblue> 
ACTION is trying to bring up the BulletSim* regions on OSGrid again

2014-06-18 04:40 <nebadon> ah
2014-06-18 04:40 <nebadon> using iptables?
2014-06-18 04:41 <Misterblue> no... I have an Asus firewall/router
2014-06-18 04:41 <nebadon> ah cool
2014-06-18 04:41 <nebadon> that should be easy then
2014-06-18 04:42 <Misterblue> ya, I thought so... I have the ports directed to my interal server and setup external and internal region addresses as I'd expect them to be
2014-06-18 04:43 <nebadon> internal should be 0.0.0.0
2014-06-18 04:43 <nebadon> right?
2014-06-18 04:44 <nebadon> using something else might be problematic
2014-06-18 04:44 <Misterblue> from an external host, I can curl from the simulator http address but, when I teleport, my console does that 'Received a CompletedAgentMovement but not client exists yet" error 
2014-06-18 04:45 <nebadon> you did udp and tcp on router right?
2014-06-18 04:45 <nebadon> is this a new router?
2014-06-18 04:45 <nebadon> what model?
2014-06-18 04:45 <Misterblue> yes, it says ports mapped for both
2014-06-18 04:45 <nebadon> a lot of new routers dont support loopback
2014-06-18 04:45 <nebadon> is the region up?
2014-06-18 04:45 <nebadon> let me try to log in
2014-06-18 04:45 <Misterblue> an RT-N66U, relativily new
2014-06-18 04:46 <nebadon> thats what I have
2014-06-18 04:46 <dahlia> ya I had to put in some secret iptables command in my new router to get it to work
2014-06-18 04:46 <nebadon> your running stock rom?
2014-06-18 04:46 <Misterblue> let me try 0.0.0.0 for local address
2014-06-18 04:46 <nebadon> stock rom doesnt support loopback
2014-06-18 04:46 <nebadon> danbanner what rom are you running?
2014-06-18 04:46 <dahlia> it might with secret commands
2014-06-18 04:46 <Misterblue> really??  argh!!
2014-06-18 04:46 <nebadon> ya that is possible
2014-06-18 04:46 <nebadon> there are better roms
2014-06-18 04:47 <nebadon> a bunch of us on osgrid all have that same router
2014-06-18 04:47 <nebadon> I use TomatoRAF but I think dans rom is better
2014-06-18 04:47 <dahlia> google <router model> loopback enable
2014-06-18 04:47 <Misterblue> how can I test that... I can ping the extenal address from an internal server
2014-06-18 04:48 <dahlia> is opensim running? can you telnet to the http port?
2014-06-18 04:48 <dahlia> or just use browser and see if you get the hippos message
2014-06-18 04:48 <nebadon> what is region anme
2014-06-18 04:48 <nebadon> name?
2014-06-18 04:49 <Misterblue> BulletSim
2014-06-18 04:49 <Misterblue> just a sec... I'm restarting them
2014-06-18 04:49 <nebadon> oh
2014-06-18 04:49 <nebadon> too layte
2014-06-18 04:49 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-18 04:49 <nebadon> im logging in somewhere
2014-06-18 04:49 <nebadon> oh
2014-06-18 04:49 <nebadon> im on BulletSim Misterblue
2014-06-18 04:49 <nebadon> so its not misconfigured 
2014-06-18 04:49 <nebadon> its a loopback issue
2014-06-18 04:51 <Misterblue> ok... 
2014-06-18 04:51 <Misterblue> I just restarted them... now I'll look for loopback parameters
2014-06-18 04:51 <nebadon> I think this is what Danbanner runs
2014-06-18 04:51 <nebadon> https://github.com/RMerl/asuswrt-merlin
2014-06-18 04:51 <nebadon> it supposedly looks exactly like the stock rom
2014-06-18 04:51 <nebadon> but way more advanced options
2014-06-18 04:52 <Misterblue> googling for my router... found a discussion on smallnetbuilder.com discussing loopback... they site the list of loopback routers at opensimulator.org :)
2014-06-18 04:52 <nebadon> you know whats funny
2014-06-18 04:52 <dahlia> haha
2014-06-18 04:52 <nebadon> i called asus directly
2014-06-18 04:52 <nebadon> and the asus guy was like go to opensimulator.org
2014-06-18 04:52 <nebadon> they have a solution there
2014-06-18 04:52 <dahlia> haha
2014-06-18 04:52 <nebadon> i laughed
2014-06-18 04:52 <nebadon> explained who i was
2014-06-18 04:52 <nebadon> haha
2014-06-18 04:52 <nebadon> we both had a good chuckle
2014-06-18 04:53 <nebadon> flashing the rom is surprisngly easy
2014-06-18 04:53 <dahlia> anyway my router is a buffalo, not asus, but I was able to fix loopback by entering some iptables commands in a screen a few levels down in the web ui
2014-06-18 04:54 <nebadon> ya i dont think the asus stock rom gives you access to iptables
2014-06-18 04:54 <nebadon> its pretty locked down
2014-06-18 04:54 <nebadon> however they sell the router as a OPENWRT router
2014-06-18 04:54 <dahlia> oh well this router came with open source router code on it
2014-06-18 04:54 <nebadon> pretty much knowing everyone is reflashing them
2014-06-18 04:54 <nebadon> ya asus doesnt do that
2014-06-18 04:55 <nebadon> but they do pitch it as 100% openwrt compliant hardware
2014-06-18 04:55 <dahlia> "dd-wrt" came on my router
2014-06-18 04:55 <dahlia> which isnt too bad
2014-06-18 04:55 <Misterblue> I could probably turn on the telnet feature and log in an do iptables stuff but then I'd have to keep redoing that
2014-06-18 04:56 <dahlia> mine keeps
2014-06-18 04:56 <dahlia> even with reboot
2014-06-18 04:56 <nebadon> it probably would keep if you did that
2014-06-18 04:56 <dahlia> I think its a flash file somewhere
2014-06-18 04:56 <nebadon> most of these routers have permanant SD storage
2014-06-18 04:56 <Misterblue> this router works really well... just with it had better logging and traffic reporting
2014-06-18 04:56 <Misterblue> wish
2014-06-18 04:56 <nebadon> these routers have 32 or 64mb of flash
2014-06-18 04:56 <nebadon> cant remember
2014-06-18 04:56 <nebadon> its large, one of the larger routers i recall
2014-06-18 04:57 <dahlia> I like mine, was half the price of asus one 
2014-06-18 04:57 <dahlia> 
ACTION is budget conscious....

2014-06-18 04:57 <nebadon>  Dual Band Router - 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands
2014-06-18 04:57 <nebadon> Wireless controller Broadcom BCM4331
2014-06-18 04:57 <nebadon> MIMO 3x3 on both frequencies (see Forum, BrainSlayer)
2014-06-18 04:57 <nebadon> Gigabit LAN and WAN switching
2014-06-18 04:57 <nebadon> 2x USB 2.0 connectors
2014-06-18 04:57 <nebadon> CPU Broadcom 4706 @ 600MHz
2014-06-18 04:57 <nebadon> 256MB RAM
2014-06-18 04:57 <nebadon> 32MB FlashRAM
2014-06-18 04:57 <nebadon> Built-in Micro SDHC socket 
2014-06-18 04:58 <dahlia> insmod ipt_mark 
2014-06-18 04:58 <dahlia> insmod xt_mark 
2014-06-18 04:59 <dahlia> iptables -t mangle -A PREROUTING -i ! `get_wanface` -d `nvram get wan_ipaddr` -j MARK --set-mark 0xd001 
2014-06-18 04:59 <dahlia> iptables -t mangle -A PREROUTING -j CONNMARK --save-mark 
2014-06-18 04:59 <dahlia> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -m mark --mark 0xd001 -j MASQUERADE 
2014-06-18 04:59 <dahlia> those were the sekrit commands
2014-06-18 04:59 <nebadon> nice
2014-06-18 05:00 <dahlia> I guess they prolly go in an init script somewhere
2014-06-18 05:00 <dahlia> since they persist
2014-06-18 05:00 <Misterblue> well, going to have to flash something new in that puppy
2014-06-18 05:00 <nebadon> iptables-save forces  a save
2014-06-18 05:00 <nebadon> i would use the merlin, I wish danbanner was here
2014-06-18 05:00 <nebadon> let me check skype
2014-06-18 05:01 <Misterblue> yes... the next question is what distribution to use
2014-06-18 05:01 <nebadon> I think the merlin one is best
2014-06-18 05:01 <nebadon> because it looks exaclty like stock rom does
2014-06-18 05:01 <nebadon> same skin
2014-06-18 05:02 <nebadon> https://github.com/RMerl/asuswrt-merlin
2014-06-18 05:08 <dahlia> well I kinda like dd-wrt but I haven't tried tomato
2014-06-18 05:08 <nebadon> i run TomatoRAF its nice
2014-06-18 05:08 <nebadon> bit plain jane the interface though
2014-06-18 05:08 <nebadon> has almost all the same functionality though but like css was stripped away
2014-06-18 05:08 <dahlia> dd-wrt has some nice real-time graphs on the web pages
2014-06-18 05:08 <nebadon> ya I have that too 
2014-06-18 05:08 <nebadon> very nice stats
2014-06-18 05:09 <nebadon> the asus one is actually the nicest ive seen
2014-06-18 05:09 <nebadon> I eventually want to swtich to the merlin rom
2014-06-18 05:09 <nebadon> i just havent felt the need
2014-06-18 05:09 <dahlia> since when did that matter :P
2014-06-18 05:10 <nebadon> well im following then if it aint broke dont fix it doctorine to keep my sanity for the moment
2014-06-18 05:10 <dahlia> 
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2014-06-18 05:10 <nebadon> haha
2014-06-18 05:14 <Misterblue> it's my bed time but I will blame my absence on a bricked router ;-)
2014-06-18 05:15 <nebadon> these routers have an extra layer of protection
2014-06-18 05:15 <nebadon> you really cant brick them
2014-06-18 05:15 <nebadon> there is an unbreakable rom flasher built in
2014-06-18 06:42 <Guest43298> heyyy you remember that script engine bug regarding globals ?
2014-06-18 07:49 <osmantis> Bug #7181:04 BulletSPlugin : The requested operation caused a stack overflow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7181 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-06-18 12:38 <LiruCookies> LuciusSir: What bug?
2014-06-18 13:40 <LuciusSir> LiruCookies:  the one regarding an error of syntax error being thrown from the cs compiler in the background of the scriptengine when you defined a default value for a global variable in lsl because of a difference in the way c# handles class field declarations
2014-06-18 13:40 <LuciusSir> LiruCookies:  it was resulting in fields referencing each other in their declarations which c# doesn't like
2014-06-18 13:40 <LuciusSir> LiruCookies:  eg  private int i = j;
2014-06-18 13:41 <LuciusSir> LiruCookies:  anyway I was using a simple lsl proggy in os 1.76 and i got some additional errors i was wondering if dev has been updated and that issue fixed yet
2014-06-18 16:04 <lkalif> nebadon: I think you will like this "Show region positions on the map using SFMapShowRegionPositions debug setting"
2014-06-18 16:05 <nebadon> k cool
2014-06-18 16:08 <LiruCookies> What exactly does that help Opensim with, anyway? It seems to be an important thign
2014-06-18 16:08 <LiruCookies> thing*
2014-06-18 16:09 <lkalif> LiruCookies: for example you want to add a new region. It helps to see where other regions are to be able to set new region position.
2014-06-18 16:09 <LiruCookies> Is that all?
2014-06-18 16:10 <lkalif> That's the one I can think of
2014-06-18 16:10 <LiruCookies> Oh because you don't want to place over another with HG, right?
2014-06-18 16:10 <lkalif> no, you don't want to put it on the same place where one already exist on the same grid too
2014-06-18 16:11 <lkalif> or if you do want to put it right next to an existing region
2014-06-18 16:11 <LiruCookies> Yeah, but that's already in available config... oh, and I accidentally did that once, we had an old region that started up when we thought we'd removed it.
2014-06-18 16:11 <lkalif> LiruCookies: for some region the little trash icon takes forever to show. The one on the login screen for removing savbed logins.
2014-06-18 16:12 <LiruCookies> So the overlap created an iteresting phenomenon.
2014-06-18 16:12 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Yeah, I've noticed that.
2014-06-18 16:15 <lkalif> updated http://www.replex.org/wp/changelog/
2014-06-18 16:16 <LiruCookies> Did you mention the mini button, for the build floater?
2014-06-18 16:17 <lkalif> no
2014-06-18 16:18 <LiruCookies> What about ctrl-a in scroll lists?
2014-06-18 16:18 <lkalif> I did mention the land impact thing
2014-06-18 16:18 <lkalif> lol
2014-06-18 16:19 <lkalif> I just opened 50 profile floaters
2014-06-18 16:20 <lkalif> this can be dangereous :P
2014-06-18 16:23 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Oh, yeah... I've opened way more in the past
2014-06-18 16:23 <LiruCookies> I didn't cap them because whoever decides to open that many must really want it
2014-06-18 16:23 <lkalif> yeah
2014-06-18 16:23 <LiruCookies> It's amusing, though.. 
2014-06-18 16:24 <lkalif> I like it
2014-06-18 16:24 <lkalif> open radar, ctrl-a, right click -> profile
2014-06-18 16:24 <lkalif> boom, everyone on the region's profile
2014-06-18 16:24 <LiruCookies> You can also copy out raw scroll list data with ctrl-c
2014-06-18 16:24 <lkalif> nice too
2014-06-18 16:25 <lkalif> like CSV
2014-06-18 16:25 <LiruCookies> Try it on an access list.
2014-06-18 16:26 <lkalif> I was tryíng it on the group memer list
2014-06-18 16:26 <lkalif> http://i.imgur.com/Dx0mWua.png
2014-06-18 16:26 <lkalif> they're duplicated for some reason
2014-06-18 16:26 <LiruCookies> The nice thing about being able to select all is also that you can mass set friend rights or group settings 
2014-06-18 16:27 <LiruCookies> Sometimes they're duplicated, unless you have my latest commit
2014-06-18 16:27 <lkalif> yeah! turned off all group notices at once
2014-06-18 16:27 <lkalif> I bult like 1 hour ago
2014-06-18 16:27 <LiruCookies> It was ansariel's fixes that helped that
2014-06-18 16:28 <lkalif> I have that in
2014-06-18 16:28 <LiruCookies> Odd that it doubled, then.
2014-06-18 16:28 <lkalif> http://www.replex.org/alpha/?build_id=5990
2014-06-18 16:30 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Can you contribute your rebranding thing to Singularity, preferably atop my latest tree?
2014-06-18 16:30 <LiruCookies> The um...
2014-06-18 16:30 <LiruCookies> The template thing
2014-06-18 16:30 <lkalif> sure
2014-06-18 16:31 <LiruCookies> Great
2014-06-18 16:31 <lkalif> that's whyh I made it in two commits
2014-06-18 16:31 <lkalif> the icon in the other which is replex specific
2014-06-18 16:32 <lkalif> I sort of regret not chainging icon name to viewer_icon.BMP
2014-06-18 16:33 <lkalif> that way no c++ code change is required for the branding
2014-06-18 16:34 <Trinity93> hmmm i just had a thought. would it be posable to set a server to not alow rez for incoming hypergrid users
2014-06-18 16:35 <Trinity93> so that only local acounts on a grid could rez
2014-06-18 16:35 <LiruCookies> That seems relatively simple, the server knows foreigners, doesn't it?
2014-06-18 16:36 <Trinity93> such a thing might cut down hyperrid greifers 
2014-06-18 16:36 <lkalif> LiruCookies: done
2014-06-18 16:36 <Trinity93> with out afecting local users
2014-06-18 16:55 <lkalif> 0.8 got released?
2014-06-18 16:56 <smxy> Yesterday.
2014-06-18 16:56 <lkalif> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/News doesn't say so
2014-06-18 16:58 <smxy> Justin sent email out about it.
2014-06-18 16:58 <lkalif> ah, I see
2014-06-18 17:53 <LuciusSir> you have no idea how badly i'd love to just work on your project
2014-06-18 17:53 <LuciusSir> :(
2014-06-18 17:54 <LuciusSir> but of course i'm back in college, surrounded by the people who stalkz me everywhere
2014-06-18 17:55 <LuciusSir> seriously though guys how is the lsl engine working in 0.8 ?
2014-06-18 17:57 <nebadon> pretty much the same
2014-06-18 17:57 <nebadon> has not been any work that I am really aware of on the core Xengine stuff
2014-06-18 17:58 <nebadon> at best there might have been some slight adjustments to a few functions but otherwise not much change there
2014-06-18 17:58 <LuciusSir> did you commit my fixes to the mssql stuff at least ?
2014-06-18 17:58 <nebadon> no idea
2014-06-18 17:58 <nebadon> is there a mantis with a patch?
2014-06-18 17:58 <nebadon> if it was applied that would have been noted in the patch
2014-06-18 17:58 <LuciusSir> no i have reporter access
2014-06-18 17:58 <LuciusSir> I placed it in comments
2014-06-18 17:59 <nebadon> we generally dont apply patches in that manner
2014-06-18 17:59 <nebadon> and I personally dont know anyone actually using mssql
2014-06-18 17:59 <nebadon> i would personally have no way to test it
2014-06-18 17:59 <LuciusSir> i use it
2014-06-18 17:59 <nebadon> last time i ran mssql i was using Windws NT
2014-06-18 17:59 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-18 18:00 <LuciusSir> well like i said there is a way to test it :P you use mssql express.
2014-06-18 18:00 <LuciusSir> i'm sure its improved since then just like mysql has :P
2014-06-18 18:02 <LuciusSir> nebadon:  could you upgrade my mantis account to allow me to submit patches and shtuff ?
2014-06-18 18:02 <LuciusSir> nebadon:  last time i looked i just had reporter access
2014-06-18 18:02 <nebadon> pretty sure anyone can submit a patch
2014-06-18 18:02 <nebadon> never had to do anything special for anyone else
2014-06-18 18:02 <nebadon> just attach a file
2014-06-18 18:03 <LuciusSir> status was more what i was thinking
2014-06-18 18:03 <LuciusSir> i can't update the status of the issue :(
2014-06-18 18:03 <nebadon> what is the mantis #?
2014-06-18 18:04 <LuciusSir> there were a few related to mssql
2014-06-18 18:05 <LuciusSir> i actually would consider doing the bulk of the work on mssql for the project if it got me some notoriety
2014-06-18 18:06 <nebadon> ok well there is not really anything I can think of I can change on your mantis account that would allow you to file proper mantis reports
2014-06-18 18:06 <nebadon> usually the only time reporters cant change a mantis is if its already closed
2014-06-18 18:07 <LuciusSir> nebadon:  well whats the process of updating the bugs you use ? you have a mod i take it ? we report, we fix, and then a mod looks over the backlog and either closes, merges, or upgrades an issue ?
2014-06-18 18:07 <nebadon> the core development team will look at and accept patches from mantis
2014-06-18 18:07 <nebadon> if we do accept and push it into core, then we will set the mantis ticket to resolved
2014-06-18 18:08 <nebadon> and its the original posters responsibility to test and then close the mantis if its sutiably resolved
2014-06-18 18:08 <nebadon> we do not usually however accept patches posted into the comments
2014-06-18 18:08 <nebadon> it has to be a properly generated git patch
2014-06-18 18:08 <nebadon> that points back to its creator
2014-06-18 18:09 <LuciusSir> i sowwy
2014-06-18 18:09 <LuciusSir> :(
2014-06-18 18:09 <nebadon> and generally if you are doing big patches you must sign and submit the agreement form
2014-06-18 18:09 <nebadon> no worries
2014-06-18 18:23 <lkalif> nebadon: some people were asking about Xbox 360 controllers
2014-06-18 18:23 <lkalif> LiruCookies added support for that recently
2014-06-18 18:24 <lkalif> from CtrlAltStudio viewer
2014-06-18 18:26 <nebadon> ah where were they asking?
2014-06-18 18:26 <nebadon> I have never used an Xbox controller on PC
2014-06-18 18:27 <nebadon> i imagine its similar but the mapping is probably completely different
2014-06-18 18:27 <nebadon> mapping out is a pain in the ass
2014-06-18 18:27 <lkalif> g+ comments on your fighter jet video
2014-06-18 18:27 <lkalif> but I figured out how to reply lol
2014-06-18 18:27 <nebadon> ahh ok cool I'll take a look there in a bit
2014-06-18 18:29 <nebadon> oh ya I see in my email you responded, thanks
2014-06-18 18:29 <nebadon> hadnt looked at G+ or my email associated to it yet today
2014-06-18 18:29 <lkalif> So this Ouya controller is good for camera control?
2014-06-18 18:29 <nebadon> ya
2014-06-18 18:29 <nebadon> its an awesome controller
2014-06-18 18:29 <LuciusSir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GyYd5OvkeE
2014-06-18 18:29 <nebadon> because it has a touchpad built into it
2014-06-18 18:29 <nebadon> the black square in the center is basically a touchpad mouse
2014-06-18 18:30 <nebadon> I imagine however you could do what I did with just about any controller
2014-06-18 18:30 <nebadon> its just a matter of figuring out the mapping
2014-06-18 18:30 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/Ouya_gamepad_viewer_settings.png
2014-06-18 18:30 <lkalif> yeah I saw that
2014-06-18 18:31 <nebadon> just a matter of looking at the Joystick monitor as you move the sticks
2014-06-18 18:31 <nebadon> and then assign at the top what # you want to what controls
2014-06-18 18:31 <lkalif> That's a nice viewer skin :P
2014-06-18 18:31 <nebadon> haha
2014-06-18 18:32 <nebadon> and for anyone wondering what a Ouya controller is > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16868989005&cm_re=Ouya-_-68-989-005-_-Product
2014-06-18 18:37 <smxy> lkalif: You wrote the exporter for Singularity/Replex, right?
2014-06-18 18:37 <smxy> Or at least know a ton about it.
2014-06-18 18:39 <smxy> A friend of mine, in SL, is trying to use it, at my suggestion. He says he's having a "problem" with it, and I wanted to run it by you for your input.
2014-06-18 18:41 <smxy> When he imports the thing into Blender, it apparently has 100s or 1000s of extra vertices, he says, depending on what the object is and how many faces it has. He describes it as ever face being treated as if it were a plane and where they come together there are multiple vertices, rather than one. He says he spends hours cleaning them up and I was wondering if you know what's "wrong" or 
2014-06-18 18:41 <smxy> if there's an easy way for him to deal with this.
2014-06-18 18:42 <smxy> every* face
2014-06-18 18:42 <AllenKerensky> yep late yesterday
2014-06-18 18:42 <AllenKerensky> oops wrong window carry on nothing to see here
2014-06-18 18:44 <nebadon> smxy thats how prims are lol
2014-06-18 18:44 <nebadon> prims are extremely inefficient
2014-06-18 18:44 <nebadon> they are easy to manipulate
2014-06-18 18:44 <nebadon> but they are not efficient compared to a clean mesh
2014-06-18 18:44 <nebadon> there are some nice blender tools to fix this though
2014-06-18 18:45 <nebadon> first you want to remove doubles
2014-06-18 18:45 <nebadon> generally what I do is export it from Singularity/Replex to a dae
2014-06-18 18:45 <nebadon> then I import that into blender, I hightlight and select the entire object and then ctrl+j
2014-06-18 18:45 <nebadon> to join it
2014-06-18 18:46 <nebadon> then i select and go into edit mode, and i hit "p" to punch
2014-06-18 18:46 <nebadon> and i punch by Material
2014-06-18 18:46 <lkalif> smxy: yeah I wrote collada exporter. but as nebandon says, that's how prims are
2014-06-18 18:46 <smxy> This is why I put it in quotes, as I wasn't certain it was something actually broken, just a PITA. :)
2014-06-18 18:46 <smxy> what is "punch"?
2014-06-18 18:46 <nebadon> this will break the model into peices by the material they have assigned to them
2014-06-18 18:46 <smxy> ah
2014-06-18 18:46 <lkalif> inside viewer, each face is a separate mesh
2014-06-18 18:46 <AllenKerensky> AC3D has some object vertex/face/etc optimization too
2014-06-18 18:46 <nebadon> so each peice after your done all has the same material assigned to it
2014-06-18 18:46 <nebadon> then
2014-06-18 18:46 <nebadon> you have to experiment a lot on the next phases
2014-06-18 18:47 <nebadon> as you can clobber the texture mapping if your not careful
2014-06-18 18:47 <nebadon> but if you know what you are doing this is not a proble
2014-06-18 18:47 <nebadon> but the next thing to do is add a Decimate Modifer
2014-06-18 18:47 <nebadon> and select "Planar" and click the by Normal box
2014-06-18 18:47 <lkalif> which reminds me, I meant to add material support to collada export
2014-06-18 18:47 <nebadon> you generally have to play with the number there a bit
2014-06-18 18:47 <lkalif> normal/specular maps
2014-06-18 18:47 <nebadon> anywhere from 0.1d to 5d
2014-06-18 18:48 <nebadon> you will see visual change on the object when you change the number
2014-06-18 18:48 <nebadon> once you get it to the point where the model isnt changing, it looks the same as it did
2014-06-18 18:48 <nebadon> you hit apply
2014-06-18 18:48 <nebadon> and you will see for instance that a prim cube
2014-06-18 18:48 <nebadon> with like 150+ vertices and triangles
2014-06-18 18:48 <nebadon> will become 8 vertices
2014-06-18 18:48 <nebadon> with quad planes on each side
2014-06-18 18:49 <nebadon> and if you do it right you wont loose texture maps
2014-06-18 18:49 <nebadon> it takes a lot of tinkering and playing to get it right
2014-06-18 18:49 <nebadon> I am in the process of converting Universal Campus to mesh
2014-06-18 18:49 <nebadon> and so far just about everything i converted has about a 90-95% reduction in vertices and faces
2014-06-18 18:49 <lkalif> nice
2014-06-18 18:49 <nebadon> without any visual quality loss to the objects
2014-06-18 18:50 <smxy> I'll save this chat and paste it to him tonight.
2014-06-18 18:50 <lkalif> it would be nice if there was some tool to remove internal geometry
2014-06-18 18:50 <smxy> That's a whole region. How much time has it taken you on the conversion so far?
2014-06-18 18:50 <nebadon> its 4 regions
2014-06-18 18:50 <nebadon> it started out as 44,800 prims aprox
2014-06-18 18:50 <nebadon> and as of right now after maybe 10 hours of work
2014-06-18 18:51 <nebadon> its down to 33,000 some prims if i recall correctly
2014-06-18 18:51 <nebadon> its almost 10k prim reduction
2014-06-18 18:51 <nebadon> and im only about 15% done maybe
2014-06-18 18:51 <smxy> Nice.
2014-06-18 18:51 <nebadon> you can go visit and see
2014-06-18 18:51 <nebadon> UCI edu1
2014-06-18 18:51 <nebadon> on OSgrid
2014-06-18 18:51 <nebadon> thats the original Unversal Campus region where i originally built it
2014-06-18 18:52 <nebadon> the building down by the lake
2014-06-18 18:52 <nebadon> is completely converted
2014-06-18 18:52 <nebadon> all the wook decking is converted
2014-06-18 18:52 <nebadon> im in process of the Lighthouse now
2014-06-18 18:53 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/Light_House_v2.1_04.png
2014-06-18 18:53 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/Light_House_v2.1_05.png
2014-06-18 18:53 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/Light_House_v2.1_06.png
2014-06-18 18:54 <nebadon> what your looking at there is about a 90% reduction in vertices from the prim version
2014-06-18 18:54 <nebadon> sorry those are quite large screenshot
2014-06-18 18:54 <nebadon> heh
2014-06-18 18:54 <nebadon> forgot about that
2014-06-18 18:55 <lkalif> hehe
2014-06-18 18:56 <smxy> Thanks for all the info. I'll pass it along to him and hopefully it'll be helpful to him.
2014-06-18 18:56 <nebadon> no problem
2014-06-18 18:58 <diva> can anyone tell me what the hell git is trying to do here? http://pastebin.com/WjxpuH45  see the errors somewhere in the middle "rm: cannot unlink `pack-013c6ddc22f8286c5ccdb742ce8224a477662176.pack': Permission denied"
2014-06-18 18:58 <diva> this is when I pull
2014-06-18 19:02 <nebadon> smxy & lkalif
2014-06-18 19:02 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/UC_convert1.png
2014-06-18 19:02 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/UC_convert2.png
2014-06-18 19:02 <nebadon> diva > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10461870/what-can-should-i-do-about-this-git-gc-error
2014-06-18 19:02 <nebadon> kind of similar problem
2014-06-18 19:03 <diva> oh i see
2014-06-18 19:03 <diva> ok
2014-06-18 19:03 <diva> thanks
2014-06-18 19:04 <nebadon> no problem, thank our overlord and savior Google! lolz
2014-06-18 19:04 <diva> hehe :)
2014-06-18 19:05 <diva> google does earch well. that's it.
2014-06-18 19:05 <diva> search
2014-06-18 19:05 <diva> that's all I want of google
2014-06-18 19:06 <lkalif> is it tinfoil hat time? .P
2014-06-18 19:06 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-18 19:07 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uek9vCFfNB0
2014-06-18 19:07 <nebadon> haha
2014-06-18 19:10 <lkalif> hehe
2014-06-18 19:11 <LiruCookies> lkalif: It wasn't purely from CtrlAltStudio, just the controller keys... their original patches were not thought out well... in fact it broke Mac and Linux builds
2014-06-18 19:11 <LiruCookies> I've tried talking to ctrlaltdavid on here, but he never responds, ever...
2014-06-18 19:12 <lkalif> Someone was asking about xbox 360 controller, I told them to try Replex, perhaps we'll hear back if it worked
2014-06-18 19:13 <nebadon> supposedly the xbox controllers are the best you can really get for the pc
2014-06-18 19:14 <nebadon> there is a dll kit you can download to add to games for it too though
2014-06-18 19:14 <LiruCookies> Hopefully that Ouya thing works like any other controller and supports the xbox stuffs... 
2014-06-18 19:14 <nebadon> it may not be straightforward setup I have no idea
2014-06-18 19:14 <nebadon> well the only thing the Viewer detects from my Ouya are the 2 analog sticks
2014-06-18 19:14 <LiruCookies> I don't use XBox, I use DualShock 3, but it masks as XBox.
2014-06-18 19:15 <nebadon> doesnt detect any of the buttons or the cross pad
2014-06-18 19:15 <lkalif> LiruCookies: have you seen neb's fighter jet video?
2014-06-18 19:15 <nebadon> but I think thats typical of most gamepads in the SL based viewers
2014-06-18 19:15 <lkalif> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u23O2yedRNM
2014-06-18 19:15 <lkalif> it's with Ouya controller
2014-06-18 19:15 <LiruCookies> nebadon: Can you tell me what it identifies as? I can make it pick up on it as an xbox-like controller.
2014-06-18 19:15 <LiruCookies> I need the string from the top of the floater
2014-06-18 19:16 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/Ouya_gamepad_viewer_settings.png
2014-06-18 19:16 <nebadon> oh
2014-06-18 19:16 <nebadon> is this what you need?
2014-06-18 19:16 <nebadon> thats the settings I used for the video above
2014-06-18 19:16 <LiruCookies> Oki, I'll have it look for OUYA
2014-06-18 19:16 <LiruCookies> Be prepared for the next build to work maybe...
2014-06-18 19:17 <nebadon> k cool
2014-06-18 19:17 <lkalif> Doesn't it already work?
2014-06-18 19:17 <LiruCookies> I'm also going to touch up and see if I can get more native DS3 support if possible.
2014-06-18 19:17 <LiruCookies> It works but no buttons, he says
2014-06-18 19:17 <lkalif> ah
2014-06-18 20:38 <osmantis> Bug #7181:04 BulletSPlugin : The requested operation caused a stack overflow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7181 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-18 21:16 <LiruCookies> Well then
2014-06-18 21:17 <LiruCookies> MotioninJoy support is a work in progress
2014-06-18 21:17 <LiruCookies> Because I forgot about the fact that it has extra axes.
2014-06-18 21:18 <LiruCookies> So it's entirely different from Xbox controller.. I'll need to add another type
2014-06-18 21:18 <LiruCookies> This will be fun though!
2014-06-18 21:18 <LiruCookies> In the meantime
2014-06-18 21:18 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Would you provide nebadon with this change?
2014-06-18 21:18 <lkalif> what change
2014-06-18 21:19 <LiruCookies> The one I just pushed
2014-06-18 21:19 <LiruCookies> Like literally just
2014-06-18 21:19 <lkalif> ok
2014-06-18 21:19 <lkalif> not gonna be more soon?
2014-06-18 21:22 <LiruCookies> Not for now, motioninjoy is a real piece of work, I'll need to do thorough testing
2014-06-18 21:23 <lkalif> ok
2014-06-18 21:23 <LiruCookies> I want to add support for all axes.
2014-06-18 21:24 <LiruCookies> It is a sixaxis
2014-06-18 21:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #3650 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-18 21:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3650: SUCCESS in 4 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3650/
2014-06-18 21:29 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix issue with LSL jumps screwing up the C# compiler error -> LSL code position map and leading to invalid error line numbers/columns
2014-06-18 21:33 <LiruCookies> YAY! Aleric 's patch got in!
2014-06-18 21:34 <LiruCookies> Awh, but you already released...
2014-06-18 21:34 <justincc> that one.  Still need to look at the other one.  
2014-06-18 21:34 <justincc> yeah, always tempting to hang on but if we did that nothing would ever get released around here...
2014-06-18 21:34 <justincc> finally getting a bit of time, though
2014-06-18 21:36 <LiruCookies> Diva's fix for varregion teleports got in, right?
2014-06-18 21:36 <justincc> yes
2014-06-18 21:36 <LiruCookies> That's all that really mattered
2014-06-18 21:38 <osmantis> Bug #7195:04 Bug in line map generation for jump labels. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7195 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-06-18 21:39 <LuciusSir> i wonder do you think phoenixviewer will use occulus 
2014-06-18 21:39 <LuciusSir> that would be awesome
2014-06-18 21:40 <LiruCookies> phoenixviewer is dead
2014-06-18 21:40 <LuciusSir> sorry i mean firestorm
2014-06-18 21:41 <LiruCookies> ctrlaltstudio is based on firestorm and that already uses oculus
2014-06-18 21:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #3651 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-18 21:47 <LuciusSir> LiruCookies:  what is that anyway ? i see an xbox controller..
2014-06-18 21:48 <LiruCookies> It's a firestorm fork run by a guy who doesn't know how to talk to people when he logs into IRC.
2014-06-18 21:49 <justincc> oh?
2014-06-18 21:49 <LuciusSir> hehehe
2014-06-18 21:49 <LuciusSir> you sound bitter :P
2014-06-18 21:49 <LiruCookies> But it adds support for random input devices like oculus and xbox controller and um... what's that one with the motion control...
2014-06-18 21:50 <LiruCookies> I'm not bitter, I just find it strange, he joins the Singularity channel, and I think this one, and the various times I've pinged him, not once has he responded.
2014-06-18 21:50 <justincc> maybe some tech issue.  I've interacted with him a number of times by e-mail and found him a very nice guy
2014-06-18 21:51 <justincc> never tried to talk to him on irc though
2014-06-18 21:51 <LiruCookies> He comes in, I wouldn't think to talk to him on irc if he didn't lurk so much...
2014-06-18 21:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3651: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3651/
2014-06-18 21:51 <osjenkins> jjustincc: In compiler regression tests, setup and teardown structures for each test to avoid any possibility of inter-test inter-ference
2014-06-18 21:59 <LiruCookies> I just noticed the OUYA buttons are OUYA
2014-06-18 21:59 <LiruCookies> That's clever
2014-06-18 22:01 <nebadon> hehe ya
2014-06-18 22:04 <LuciusSir> awwww
2014-06-18 22:05 <LuciusSir> there there LiruCookies
2014-06-18 22:05 <LuciusSir> 
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2014-06-18 22:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #3652 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-18 22:05 <LuciusSir> its ok if you're bitter because he doesn't talk to you. at least you have me :P  though i'm leaving for a few hahah
2014-06-18 22:06 <LuciusSir> so the new method of xmlrpc is external server driven http ?
2014-06-18 22:06 <LuciusSir> why can't objects initiate this crap ?
2014-06-18 22:08 <LuciusSir> you know what would be cool ?
2014-06-18 22:08 <LuciusSir> a companion markup language for 3d ui elements in opensim
2014-06-18 22:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3652: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3652/
2014-06-18 22:09 <osjenkins> jjustincc: refactor: Simplify compilation result tests by factoring out common code.
2014-06-18 22:09 <LuciusSir> instead of those shitty dialogs
2014-06-18 22:09 <LuciusSir> something that works
2014-06-18 22:10 <LuciusSir> lol
2014-06-18 22:10 <LuciusSir> like a dialog, i mean
2014-06-18 22:13 <Aleric> justincc: I see you add (rewrote) a patch, but what about the patches in http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6764 ?
2014-06-18 22:14 <justincc> Aleric: yes, that is next on my list.  Sorry there has been a delay - was super busy with release stuff and other work for the past few weeks
2014-06-18 22:15 <justincc> probably won't be tonight now though - about to hit my time buffers
2014-06-18 22:15 <Aleric> It has turned out to be a lot more important than I thought. Pretty often the error line/col is not in the map - in which case you get nonsense without those two patches.
2014-06-18 22:16 <justincc> if you could put a simple example script that illustrates the remaining problems in 6764 that would help a lot.  Last time I tried Mata's script it seemed to generate correct line positions for me
2014-06-18 22:17 <Aleric> Well, I can. But if you simply assume that the reported error is not in the map - so it reaches the code that I changed, then surely you see that the result is absolute nonsense the way the code is now.
2014-06-18 22:18 <justincc> I don't.  I find it much easier to see these things with examples
2014-06-18 22:20 <lkalif> nebadon: the new build is ready http://www.replex.org/wp/alpha-builds/ with the LiruCookies' controller change
2014-06-18 22:22 <nebadon> ok cool
2014-06-18 22:22 <nebadon> give me a few
2014-06-18 22:25 <osmantis> Bug #6764:04 Mono debug line numbers are completely off 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6764 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-18 22:25 <Aleric> justincc: ok I added an example.
2014-06-18 22:27 <justincc> Thanks Aleric.  Okay, that does immediately make it clearer to me and will help me with the explanation you have in the patch itself and the mantis.  I'll aim to take a good look tomorrow
2014-06-18 22:27 <Aleric> ok
2014-06-18 22:29 <LiruCookies> lkalif: This is exciting, so many buttons, thirteen buttons, six axes.
2014-06-18 22:30 <LiruCookies> lkalif: I might even put in a sit button!
2014-06-18 22:30 <lkalif> I have no controllers muself
2014-06-18 22:30 <lkalif> nebadon is going to have to test it :)
2014-06-18 22:30 <LiruCookies> I've already decided upon a control scheme...
2014-06-18 22:31 <LiruCookies> Well,  I'm pretty sure OUYA is xbox like
2014-06-18 22:31 <justincc> I hear that is'a  pretty low quality controller
2014-06-18 22:31 <justincc> never touched one myself, though
2014-06-18 22:35 <nebadon> its awesome
2014-06-18 22:35 <nebadon> probably the nicest controller ive ever held
2014-06-18 22:36 <justincc> really?
2014-06-18 22:36 <nebadon> yes
2014-06-18 22:36 <justincc> so why do so many ppl say it's crappy?
2014-06-18 22:36 <nebadon> Aluminum faceplates
2014-06-18 22:36 <nebadon> well the Ouya console is crap
2014-06-18 22:36 <nebadon> its just a low power android box
2014-06-18 22:36 <nebadon> but the controller is quite amazing
2014-06-18 22:36 <nebadon> it has a mouse touchpad built into it
2014-06-18 22:36 <justincc> yeah, but ppl say controller is bad too
2014-06-18 22:37 <nebadon> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16868989005&cm_re=Ouya-_-68-989-005-_-Product
2014-06-18 22:37 <justincc> plasticky and lag in response
2014-06-18 22:37 <nebadon> did you see my video?
2014-06-18 22:37 <justincc> wihch one?
2014-06-18 22:37 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u23O2yedRNM
2014-06-18 22:37 <nebadon> made with the Ouya controller
2014-06-18 22:38 <justincc> is that actually flying ove rht region?
2014-06-18 22:38 <justincc> over the
2014-06-18 22:38 <nebadon> its the fly camera
2014-06-18 22:38 <nebadon> and im wearing a prim cube hud
2014-06-18 22:39 <nebadon> with that texture applied to it
2014-06-18 22:39 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-18 22:39 <justincc> ah, so you aren't moving but the camera is, and the cockpit is the hud?
2014-06-18 22:39 <nebadon> yep
2014-06-18 22:39 <justincc> heh.  Still impressive though
2014-06-18 22:39 <justincc> I guess actually moving the av isn't quite so smooth?
2014-06-18 22:39 <nebadon> didnt even try
2014-06-18 22:39 <nebadon> whats nice about camera mode
2014-06-18 22:40 <nebadon> you can go 100 miles out into the water
2014-06-18 22:40 <nebadon> no borders at all
2014-06-18 22:40 <justincc> oh right
2014-06-18 22:40 <justincc> it's a pity those cockpit displays can't be made to move :)
2014-06-18 22:40 <justincc> well, I guess technically they could 
2014-06-18 22:40 <nebadon> probably could actually
2014-06-18 22:40 <nebadon> ya
2014-06-18 22:40 <nebadon> i could even have a moap screen with google.com
2014-06-18 22:40 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-18 22:41 <justincc> ha
2014-06-18 22:41 <justincc> ok, rest time for me now.  See you folks tomorrow
2014-06-18 22:41 <justincc> 
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2014-06-18 22:41 <nebadon> g;night
2014-06-18 22:42 <lkalif> you need a counter macro for his quit macro :P
2014-06-18 22:43 <LiruCookies> nebadon: Moving the avatar with my xbox360=masked DS3 is pretty smooth
2014-06-18 22:44 <lkalif> it involves physics, not the strongest side of opensim
2014-06-18 22:45 <nebadon> nice LiruCookies
2014-06-18 22:46 <LiruCookies> Ah, well, all my testing so far is SL.
2014-06-18 22:49 <nebadon> well i dont know what went worng but now it doesnt work anymore
2014-06-18 22:49 <nebadon> controls are all screwed up
2014-06-18 22:49 <nebadon> avatar is uncontrollable if gamepad is connected
2014-06-18 22:49 <nebadon> i cant even get the menus open
2014-06-18 22:51 <nebadon> ya this is totally broken now
2014-06-18 22:51 <nebadon> sorry LiruCookies
2014-06-18 22:51 <nebadon> cant even enable controller anymore, the viewer goes beserk
2014-06-18 22:51 <nebadon> avatar just starts flying up and i have no control over anything
2014-06-18 22:51 <nebadon> and once avatar starts moving I cant even bring up menus
2014-06-18 22:51 <nebadon> i had to disconnect controller through bluetooth
2014-06-18 22:52 <nebadon> all my #'s got reset
2014-06-18 22:52 <nebadon> maybe that is why :/
2014-06-18 22:52 <nebadon> why would it overwrite my settings?
2014-06-18 22:53 <LiruCookies> oh, I should mention that the detection might do that initially
2014-06-18 22:53 <LiruCookies> You need to give me your numbers if they're different
2014-06-18 22:53 <nebadon> thats not good
2014-06-18 22:53 <nebadon> i already did
2014-06-18 22:53 <LiruCookies> Oh, so you did.
2014-06-18 22:53 <LiruCookies> Can you link again?
2014-06-18 22:54 <nebadon> but those might not necessarily be good for the defaults
2014-06-18 22:54 <nebadon> thats good if you want a figher jet
2014-06-18 22:54 <nebadon> we need a presets list
2014-06-18 22:54 <nebadon> where you can save multiple levels of configs
2014-06-18 22:54 <nebadon> like windlight
2014-06-18 22:54 <nebadon> but for controllers
2014-06-18 22:54 <nebadon> so you can have, fighter jet, race car
2014-06-18 22:54 <LiruCookies> nebadon: Just tell me
2014-06-18 22:54 <LiruCookies> Do the buttons do anything?
2014-06-18 22:55 <nebadon> have to give me a few
2014-06-18 22:55 <nebadon> right now if i even enable controller the viewer goes bonkers
2014-06-18 22:55 <LiruCookies> Like you should be able to right click with right bumper.
2014-06-18 22:55 <nebadon> i have to enter all my numbers
2014-06-18 22:58 <nebadon> ya i am getting some button action
2014-06-18 22:58 <nebadon> not sure what each button does
2014-06-18 22:58 <nebadon> seems kind of random
2014-06-18 22:59 <nebadon> I dont seem to be able to initiate flycam from the controller anymore
2014-06-18 22:59 <LiruCookies> Does right bumper work?
2014-06-18 22:59 <LiruCookies> One of your buttons should be flycam
2014-06-18 22:59 <LiruCookies> I think it's start
2014-06-18 22:59 <nebadon> no start
2014-06-18 22:59 <LiruCookies> No start?
2014-06-18 22:59 <LiruCookies> Select?
2014-06-18 22:59 <nebadon> nope
2014-06-18 22:59 <LiruCookies> What do you have?
2014-06-18 23:00 <LiruCookies> Oh wow
2014-06-18 23:00 <LiruCookies> You have like no buttons
2014-06-18 23:00 <LiruCookies> Does the power button do anything?
2014-06-18 23:01 <nebadon> no
2014-06-18 23:01 <nebadon> there are 2 triggers
2014-06-18 23:01 <nebadon> on left and right
2014-06-18 23:01 <nebadon> one set of triggers has slider type functionality
2014-06-18 23:01 <LiruCookies> Do they do something?
2014-06-18 23:01 <nebadon> and the upper buttons are just like normal buttons
2014-06-18 23:01 <LiruCookies> The upper ones might be left and right click
2014-06-18 23:01 <nebadon> so technically its 6 normal buttons
2014-06-18 23:01 <nebadon> ya thats what it seems to be
2014-06-18 23:02 <LiruCookies> Stick clicks should be fly and mouselook
2014-06-18 23:02 <nebadon> aha
2014-06-18 23:02 <nebadon> i didnt realize this
2014-06-18 23:02 <nebadon> the sticks are also buttons
2014-06-18 23:02 <nebadon> its the left stick
2014-06-18 23:02 <nebadon> that is awesome
2014-06-18 23:04 <nebadon> also my #'s have only really been tested on camera mode
2014-06-18 23:04 <nebadon> i havent done avatar or build
2014-06-18 23:04 <nebadon> ok LiruCookies
2014-06-18 23:05 <nebadon> the avatar controls with whatever the default that got set when i just upgraded seems to work well
2014-06-18 23:05 <nebadon> coupled with my camera #s
2014-06-18 23:05 <nebadon> its pretty fantastic
2014-06-18 23:06 <LiruCookies> The back button is the flycam one... which is annoying that OUYA doesn't have, I'll have to come up with something for you.
2014-06-18 23:06 <nebadon> no this is fine
2014-06-18 23:06 <nebadon> the 2 sticks
2014-06-18 23:06 <nebadon> are also buttons if you click down
2014-06-18 23:07 <nebadon> the left stick toggles camera
2014-06-18 23:07 <LiruCookies> Does one of them initiate flycam?
2014-06-18 23:09 <nebadon> ya
2014-06-18 23:09 <nebadon> the left stick
2014-06-18 23:09 <nebadon> clicking it down
2014-06-18 23:12 <nebadon> you know what LiruCookies
2014-06-18 23:12 <nebadon> change Yaw to 0
2014-06-18 23:12 <nebadon> for Ouya
2014-06-18 23:14 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/Ouya_gamepad_viewer_settings2.png
2014-06-18 23:50 <diva> I don't think I fixed any teleport bug recently. Is something broken?
2014-06-18 23:51 <lkalif> diva: the var region crash protection thing
2014-06-18 23:51 <diva> oh right
2014-06-18 23:53 <smxy> Is there something wrong with it? We tested it pretty thoroughly.
2014-06-18 23:55 <diva> no it's good. Someone mentioned that my TP fix got in the release, I had forgotten what that was
2014-06-18 23:55 <lkalif> no the question was if that fix made it into 0.8 final. and it was answered yes
2014-06-18 23:56 <smxy> ah, yes
2014-06-18 23:59 <LiruCookies> nebadon: You have two things set to 4, you know...
2014-06-19 00:05 <LiruCookies> nebadon: That looks wrong, because it looks like your Axis 5 is alive.
2014-06-19 00:08 <lkalif> heh inara blogged about replex
2014-06-19 00:10 <lkalif> http://modemworld.wordpress.com/2014/06/19/replex-a-new-viewer-for-sl-and-opensim/
2014-06-19 00:18 <nebadon> yes
2014-06-19 00:18 <nebadon> thats intentional LiruCookies
2014-06-19 00:18 <LiruCookies> nebadon: Really? So you don't use axis five?
2014-06-19 00:18 <nebadon> hmm
2014-06-19 00:19 <nebadon> im not even sure what axis 5 is
2014-06-19 00:19 <nebadon> maybe its the trigers
2014-06-19 00:19 <LiruCookies> That's what they are for xbox
2014-06-19 00:20 <nebadon> oh ya
2014-06-19 00:20 <nebadon> its the triggers
2014-06-19 00:20 <nebadon> interesting
2014-06-19 00:20 <nebadon> 2 and 5
2014-06-19 00:20 <nebadon> are triggers
2014-06-19 00:20 <LiruCookies> Perhaps you should reconsider?
2014-06-19 00:20 <nebadon> but they are more like sliders
2014-06-19 00:20 <nebadon> ya let me think about that
2014-06-19 00:21 <nebadon> right now i have it setup like a RC airplane controller
2014-06-19 00:21 <nebadon> with dual sticks
2014-06-19 00:22 <nebadon> give me a little bit to mess around more with this
2014-06-19 00:22 <nebadon> i am in a meeting at the moment
2014-06-19 00:25 <LiruCookies> suresure
2014-06-19 00:26 <nebadon> what are you using triggers for
2014-06-19 00:26 <nebadon> we should try to have some commonality if possible
2014-06-19 00:28 <LiruCookies> http://ctrlaltstudio.com/blog/2014/05/12/release-1-2-1-xbox-360-controller-support
2014-06-19 00:28 <LiruCookies> nebadon: That layout.
2014-06-19 00:29 <LiruCookies> But your mapping is different, so just get it to be the same axes and I'll ship that for convenience
2014-06-19 00:29 <nebadon> hmm fly up and down
2014-06-19 00:29 <nebadon> hmm
2014-06-19 00:29 <nebadon> i was thinking one be accelerate
2014-06-19 00:30 <nebadon> ya let me mess around and see what i can do
2014-06-19 00:52 <LiruCookies> nebadon: Any luck?
2014-06-19 00:54 <nebadon> not yet still in this meeting
2014-06-19 00:54 <nebadon> had to setup a new region
2014-06-19 00:54 <nebadon> almost done though
2014-06-19 00:55 <LiruCookies> Ah
2014-06-19 00:55 <LiruCookies> Oki
2014-06-19 00:58 <nebadon> ok so ya
2014-06-19 00:58 <nebadon> looks like i cant use these LiruCookies
2014-06-19 00:58 <nebadon> this is why the viewer freaked out with autodetect
2014-06-19 00:58 <nebadon> those buttons appear to be constantly being pressed
2014-06-19 00:59 <nebadon> so as soon as I assign one of them the viewer just starts going bonkers
2014-06-19 00:59 <nebadon> shame
2014-06-19 00:59 <nebadon> would have made a nice accelerator
2014-06-19 00:59 <nebadon> but unfortunately its always in the on position it seems
2014-06-19 01:00 <LiruCookies> nebadon: Try playing with the deadzone?
2014-06-19 01:00 <nebadon> hmm
2014-06-19 01:00 <LiruCookies> Or play with the scale
2014-06-19 01:00 <nebadon> how does deadzone work?
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2014-06-19 01:01 <LuciusSir> today was an odd day
2014-06-19 01:03 <LuciusSir> hey is there any plans in the future like i was talking about to include better ui components for user data capture in lsl ?
2014-06-19 01:03 <LuciusSir> like, you know, real dialogs ?
2014-06-19 01:03 <LiruCookies> Real dialogs?
2014-06-19 01:03 <nebadon> dang the trigger is awesome for zoomage
2014-06-19 01:03 <nebadon> fantastic
2014-06-19 01:03 <nebadon> ok found use for one of the triggers
2014-06-19 01:03 <LuciusSir> yes, with a full compliment of fields, like textboxes, listboxes, etc
2014-06-19 01:04 <LuciusSir> maybe even private channels  instead of sniffable ones
2014-06-19 01:04 <LuciusSir> although it is cool that you can listen in on prims
2014-06-19 01:04 <LuciusSir> hehhe
2014-06-19 01:06 <LuciusSir> i feel somewhat bad
2014-06-19 01:07 <LuciusSir> i told an innocent credit companies phone person they should blow themselves and repossess my car if they're going to charge me for paying off the backdue balance precisely whatr the back due balance was...
2014-06-19 01:07 <LuciusSir> + 500 dollars heh
2014-06-19 01:11 <nebadon> LiroCookies > http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/Ouya_gamepad_viewer_settings3.png
2014-06-19 01:11 <nebadon> this kind of makes it feel more helicopterish though
2014-06-19 01:11 <nebadon> this is why i was saying we need a list of presets for each device
2014-06-19 01:12 <nebadon> like helicopters, jet etc..
2014-06-19 01:12 <nebadon> let people make and save their own
2014-06-19 01:12 <nebadon> this is the one thing i never understood about SL
2014-06-19 01:12 <nebadon> that every game on earth since the dawn of man has allowed you to do
2014-06-19 01:12 <nebadon> is set your own damn keys
2014-06-19 01:13 <nebadon> i will never understand the decision to do this
2014-06-19 01:13 <nebadon> not let people use whatever keys they want
2014-06-19 01:13 <LiruCookies> We do, actually
2014-06-19 01:13 <LiruCookies> keys.ini
2014-06-19 01:13 <nebadon> inis are stupid
2014-06-19 01:13 <nebadon> i mean for advanced people it is
2014-06-19 01:13 <LuciusSir> heheeh
2014-06-19 01:14 <nebadon> but no game on earth makes you edit inis to map keys
2014-06-19 01:14 <LuciusSir> so you mean control keys ?
2014-06-19 01:14 <nebadon> its all done via the gui
2014-06-19 01:14 <LuciusSir> like on the keyboard ?
2014-06-19 01:14 <LiruCookies> Sure they do, people edit inis and the like for steam games all the time
2014-06-19 01:14 <nebadon> ya, but most of the games have the ability via the GUI to set your keymap
2014-06-19 01:14 <LuciusSir> why not just script it for specific vehicles ?
2014-06-19 01:15 <nebadon> i have never played a first person shooter or adventure type game that didnt
2014-06-19 01:15 <LuciusSir> I mean you have to do scripting anyway 
2014-06-19 01:15 <LiruCookies> We could hook it up to a gui, I suppose, but it isn't really necessary...
2014-06-19 01:15 <osmantis> Bug #7191:04 [BULLETSIM] exception with linkset on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7191 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-19 01:16 <LuciusSir> i honestly think that and real ui design for gathering data as well as script data storage (limited of course) would be good
2014-06-19 01:17 <LuciusSir> they could modify the viewers to allow the server to feed them params for things like vehicle control
2014-06-19 01:18 <zadark> Sorry if this is a repeat question, is Oculus Rift interface to be available with Singularity / Replex soon?
2014-06-19 01:18 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Update on Oculus testmerge?
2014-06-19 01:19 <lkalif> I looked at it. There is a lot of V3 UI stuff in Linden code
2014-06-19 01:19 <LiruCookies> lkalif: I can guide you through that
2014-06-19 01:19 <lkalif> It's going to be hard, that part
2014-06-19 01:19 <lkalif> also Oz said something about v2 of the SDK
2014-06-19 01:20 <lkalif> I will ask for clarification TPV dev meeting
2014-06-19 01:20 <lkalif> day after tomorrow
2014-06-19 01:20 <diva> <3 looking forward to that!
2014-06-19 01:21 <zadark> Sounds promising, 
2014-06-19 01:22 <zadark> Thanks for the update
2014-06-19 01:23 <LuciusSir> nebadon: would you see a problem with that idea ? no interface crap for specific vehicles, maybe the ability i suppose to tweak but you could leave it up to the scriptto inform the server to specify controls to the viewer and set that so long as the state of the avi was at 'pilot'
2014-06-19 01:23 <LuciusSir> nebadon:  you could custom specify how those controls will work, script sets of actions which respond to them etc.
2014-06-19 01:23 <LiruCookies> nebadon: Are you on linux?
2014-06-19 01:24 <lkalif> windows 8.1
2014-06-19 01:25 <lkalif> (last crash he sent :P)
2014-06-19 01:27 <LuciusSir> fricking 8.1
2014-06-19 01:27 <nebadon> ya right now on windows 8.1 on my laptop
2014-06-19 01:28 <LuciusSir> nebadon: :(
2014-06-19 01:28 <osmantis> Bug #7191:04 [BULLETSIM] exception with linkset on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7191 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-19 01:34 <nebadon> if anyone wants my jet hud overlay just let me know
2014-06-19 01:45 <nebadon> any LSL wizards around?
2014-06-19 01:45 <nebadon> https://gist.github.com/nebadon2025/54bce9ce76821b26387c
2014-06-19 01:45 <nebadon> i have this script that reads a notecard and prints whatever is in the notecard using OSSL draw stuff
2014-06-19 01:45 <nebadon> i want to be able to wordwrap long lines
2014-06-19 01:45 <nebadon> not sure how to do that
2014-06-19 01:46 <Dev_Random> can check string with osGetDrawStringSize(), and if it's wider than your texture, back off in the string until you come to whitespace.. then try again
2014-06-19 01:47 <LuciusSir> nebadon i would imagine it would just be a matter of reading the notecard,  and doing an llsubstring up to a certain threshold
2014-06-19 01:47 <nebadon> not really sure how to do that
2014-06-19 01:48 <nebadon> here is an IAR of the object
2014-06-19 01:48 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/iars/noteboard1.iar
2014-06-19 01:52 <nebadon> bbiab i need food
2014-06-19 02:04 <frnic> Would the impact be very great to provide a serverside (I expect) function that would restrict the number of prims rez'ed per hour/minute/day whatever by any individual - I expect having multiple levels assignable on a per group or something basis would be desirable.
2014-06-19 02:07 <frnic> This would permit HG visitors to rez products for previews, while preventing rez bombs that spam a region with thousands of prims.
2014-06-19 02:12 <Dev_Random> MaxPrimsPerUser can also be used for that.
2014-06-19 02:13 <Dev_Random> frnic: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7107
2014-06-19 02:31 <dahlia> Someone posted a message to the opensim-users mailing list with a subject that has the word "patent" in it. My guess is it may not be a good idea to read it and I suggest not doing so.
2014-06-19 02:32 <dahlia> at least if you are in the US
2014-06-19 02:41 <nebadon> rofl i stumbled upon this gem whilst googling http://pastebin.com/iRaUVeif
2014-06-19 02:41 <nebadon> awesome
2014-06-19 02:43 <nebadon> i wonder if i can adapt this
2014-06-19 02:43 <nebadon> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/WrapText
2014-06-19 02:43 <nebadon> dont really understand quite how this works though
2014-06-19 02:47 <LuciusSir> it looks like it loops through pctext chopping up to pi width at a time and building an array (list) of strings which it then recombines with a \n seperator at the last part
2014-06-19 02:48 <LuciusSir> nebadon, it actially looks like it does about what you're looking to do anyway
2014-06-19 02:51 <nebadon> ya I just have no idea how to incorporate it into this script i have
2014-06-19 02:51 <nebadon> if i even can, not sure I can
2014-06-19 02:52 <LuciusSir> nebadon:  you know the part that kind of confuses me, it seems to go backwards from the end of the string....
2014-06-19 02:52 <LuciusSir> instead of forward
2014-06-19 02:52 <diva> hmm this didn't restore the parcels... load oar oar01.oar --displacement "<0,256,0>" --merge --force-terrain --force-parcel
2014-06-19 02:53 <nebadon> I dont think parcels get restored on merges
2014-06-19 02:53 <frnic> Dev_Random - thank you, exactly the issue I was thinking about.
2014-06-19 02:53 <nebadon> infact all terrain data is ignored when you specify --merge diva
2014-06-19 02:53 <diva> what? That totally sucks. What'sthe --force-parcel for?
2014-06-19 02:54 <diva> not really neb, the terrain is fine
2014-06-19 02:54 <nebadon> oh i didnt even know we had that option
2014-06-19 02:54 <nebadon> right but merge only loads prim data
2014-06-19 02:54 <nebadon> no terrain or parcel info
2014-06-19 02:54 <diva> I was expecting --force-parcel to restore the parcels
2014-06-19 02:54 <nebadon> that might only work in equal size region
2014-06-19 02:54 <nebadon> the parcel map is a texture
2014-06-19 02:54 <nebadon> it would be very difficult to merge parcel textures
2014-06-19 02:55 <nebadon> check to see if your parcels ended up in the first 256m
2014-06-19 02:55 <diva> argh!
2014-06-19 02:55 <diva> it's force-parcels plural. The wiki is wrong
2014-06-19 02:55 <nebadon> ah
2014-06-19 02:55 <nebadon> interesting
2014-06-19 02:55 <diva> I suspected it, and I didn't check
2014-06-19 02:55 <nebadon> be interesting if this actually works
2014-06-19 02:55 <diva> sigh
2014-06-19 02:56 <diva> well, I'm gonna load the thing again, cos I don't want to redo my parcels in the vLab
2014-06-19 02:57 <diva> oh man I can't
2014-06-19 02:57 <diva> I supose there is no way of saying :"skip the prims please"
2014-06-19 02:57 <diva> if I don't put the --merge it will remove everything everywhere
2014-06-19 02:57 <diva> if I put the merge it will duplicate
2014-06-19 02:57 <diva> argh!
2014-06-19 02:58 <Melanie_T> the idea is to save an OAR _before_ you experiment
2014-06-19 02:58 <AliciaRaven> diva, i reported that on mantis
2014-06-19 02:58 <AliciaRaven> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7202
2014-06-19 02:58 <diva> I saved th eoars melanie
2014-06-19 02:58 <Melanie_T> then just reload the status quo ante
2014-06-19 02:58 <Melanie_T> and do it again
2014-06-19 02:58 <diva>  i guess
2014-06-19 03:00 <nebadon> oh man im so close on word wrap
2014-06-19 03:00 <Melanie_T> word wrap?
2014-06-19 03:00 <nebadon> for my noteboard
2014-06-19 03:01 <nebadon> using the OSSL draw stuff
2014-06-19 03:02 <Melanie_T> aah yes
2014-06-19 03:02 <Melanie_T> the laghogdraw
2014-06-19 03:03 <nebadon> ya it has its uses though
2014-06-19 03:03 <Melanie_T> none afaict
2014-06-19 03:03 <Melanie_T> avn has it disabled with extreme prejudice
2014-06-19 03:03 <nebadon> lack of imagination :P
2014-06-19 03:03 <nebadon> its a closed grid
2014-06-19 03:03 <nebadon> with very few users
2014-06-19 03:03 <nebadon> and its not on a timer
2014-06-19 03:03 <Dev_Random> nebadon, once you master it, you can animate that jet HUD.
2014-06-19 03:03 <Melanie_T> it's 10 times more laggy than an equivalent amount of xyzzytext
2014-06-19 03:05 <diva> This doesn't look like --force-pacels 
2014-06-19 03:05 <diva> [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE]: Cannot add parcel "NW", local ID 11 at tile 0,0 because this is still occupied by parcel "SW", local ID 1 in UCI Mondego 1
2014-06-19 03:06 <diva> wtf, force-parcels is a fail
2014-06-19 03:06 <diva> grr
2014-06-19 03:06 <nebadon> I suspect at best
2014-06-19 03:06 <nebadon> force-parcel works with merge on similar sized regions
2014-06-19 03:06 <nebadon> and it replaces parcels but not terrain
2014-06-19 03:07 <nebadon> id be extremely surprised if you can merge parcels
2014-06-19 03:07 <diva> why? they're just data in the db
2014-06-19 03:07 <diva> it shouold be trivial
2014-06-19 03:07 <nebadon> they are jp2
2014-06-19 03:07 <diva> parcels?!
2014-06-19 03:07 <nebadon> yes
2014-06-19 03:07 <nebadon> its a image
2014-06-19 03:07 <nebadon> like white lines on black background or something
2014-06-19 03:08 <nebadon> its not a list of coordinates
2014-06-19 03:08 <nebadon> infact
2014-06-19 03:08 <diva> so it's not trivial to change from a set of regions to a varregion. False advertising! I want my money back!
2014-06-19 03:08 <nebadon> with a Raw terrain upload in viewer
2014-06-19 03:08 <nebadon> one of the layers of the raw
2014-06-19 03:08 <nebadon> is parcel data
2014-06-19 03:08 <nebadon> you can do it in photoshop
2014-06-19 03:09 <nebadon> in SL you just upload the .raw and it does everything
2014-06-19 03:09 <diva> schisse I'm gonna have to redo my parcels again. what a pita
2014-06-19 03:09 <nebadon> http://wiki.osgrid.org/index.php/Terrain_RAW_Files
2014-06-19 03:09 <nebadon> layer 4 is parcels
2014-06-19 03:10 <diva> thank god the little parcels that I had done for the poster areas are in the SW corner...
2014-06-19 03:11 <AliciaRaven> whats the point of having --force-parcels if its expected to fail tho?
2014-06-19 03:11 <diva> yeah
2014-06-19 03:16 <nebadon> i suspect its just being used wrong
2014-06-19 03:16 <nebadon> more than it failing
2014-06-19 03:16 <nebadon> i suspect it replaces parcels
2014-06-19 03:17 <nebadon> not merge
2014-06-19 03:17 <nebadon> its only meant to be used on same size region
2014-06-19 03:17 <nebadon> displacement would break it
2014-06-19 03:18 <nebadon> also the parcel texture size is wrong
2014-06-19 03:18 <nebadon> if its 256 being displaced in a over 256 you could actually do damage
2014-06-19 03:18 <nebadon> loading that texture in
2014-06-19 03:22 <AliciaRaven> if its just manipulation of images it shouldnt be a problem with displacement
2014-06-19 03:24 <nebadon> if I wanted to count how many instances of \n are in a string how would i go about that?
2014-06-19 03:24 <nebadon> with LSL that is
2014-06-19 03:25 <nebadon> the last peice of my puzzle
2014-06-19 03:25 <AliciaRaven> could count them with llSubStringIndex
2014-06-19 03:43 <nebadon> how?
2014-06-19 03:43 <nebadon> that seems to count how many characters until the first instance
2014-06-19 03:44 <nebadon> or am I missing something AliciaRaven?
2014-06-19 03:44 <nebadon> i need to count how many total instances of there are
2014-06-19 03:44 <AliciaRaven> ah i thought it had a start index, srry
2014-06-19 03:45 <dahlia> LSL and strings just dont mix. It might be easier to add some formatting sommands to whatever os function makes your texture
2014-06-19 03:45 <dahlia> it probably uses System.Drawing which has a bunch of that stuff built in
2014-06-19 03:46 <lkalif> split string on newline and get the length of resulting list
2014-06-19 03:47 <dahlia> arent notecards already split by lines?
2014-06-19 03:48 <lkalif> llParseString2List("diii,,,,", ["\n"], [])]
2014-06-19 03:48 <lkalif> llParseString2List("diii,,,,", ["\n"], [])
2014-06-19 03:49 <lkalif> stat will break string into a list of strings
2014-06-19 03:49 <lkalif> and you can get a length of that list
2014-06-19 03:50 <nebadon> hmm ok
2014-06-19 03:51 <nebadon> word wrap is pain in the ass
2014-06-19 03:51 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-19 03:52 <AliciaRaven> yep, i once did a gui using directx and doing word wrap for text controls was the biggest pita of the whole project
2014-06-19 03:52 <nebadon> im like 98% there though
2014-06-19 03:54 <AliciaRaven> is it a fixed size font?
2014-06-19 03:54 <AliciaRaven> if not the results will vary wildly
2014-06-19 03:58 <Misterblue> ping AliciaRaven
2014-06-19 03:58 <AliciaRaven> hey Misterblue
2014-06-19 03:59 <Misterblue> saw your patch for min flight height
2014-06-19 03:59 <AliciaRaven> was it ok? i wasnt sure if that was the best way to do it
2014-06-19 03:59 <nebadon> dang this isnt going to wrok
2014-06-19 03:59 <nebadon> im so freakin close
2014-06-19 04:00 <Misterblue> I'm not sure it's in the right place... it's in BSActorAvatarMove when there is a BSCharacter.PositionSanityCheck which is already checking for below ground
2014-06-19 04:00 <Misterblue> what problem was it solving? It seems to be keeping the avatar above the ground
2014-06-19 04:01 <AliciaRaven> in sl and ode, when you fly, the avatar raises off the ground a little
2014-06-19 04:01 <Misterblue> 
ACTION realizes there is some flying thingy that could be done wrong so wanting to understand what's being solved

2014-06-19 04:01 <AliciaRaven> in bullet, it almost belly flops on the floor and drags along
2014-06-19 04:02 <Misterblue> humm... and that height is about 8m?
2014-06-19 04:02 <AliciaRaven> in sl it seems abit heigher, ode is about that i think
2014-06-19 04:03 <Misterblue> maybe movement is ok then... it's a flying thing
2014-06-19 04:03 <Misterblue> I'll do some parameterization of the numbers, though
2014-06-19 04:03 <AliciaRaven> its just abit annoying with bullet that it didnt give that initial push up, so u couldnt fly over even a small gound level prim like a street curb
2014-06-19 04:03 <Misterblue> 
ACTION is allergic to constants in the code

2014-06-19 04:04 <AliciaRaven> i wondered about adding the height as a config option
2014-06-19 04:05 <Misterblue> also need to check for the FloatOnWater flag... avatars can float at the water height
2014-06-19 04:05 <nebadon> Sooo close
2014-06-19 04:05 <nebadon> https://gist.github.com/nebadon2025/6dc58ac63479a5a05057
2014-06-19 04:05 <nebadon> the notecard at the bottom of that pastebin
2014-06-19 04:05 <nebadon> name it "note"
2014-06-19 04:05 <nebadon> put it in same cube as prim
2014-06-19 04:06 <nebadon> you will see what happens
2014-06-19 04:06 <AliciaRaven> it did take into acount water height but did u see the comments in the mantis?
2014-06-19 04:06 <nebadon> the line wrapped lines stack on top of each other
2014-06-19 04:06 <nebadon> heeeeelp!
2014-06-19 04:06 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-19 04:06 <Misterblue> close is good... I love people helping
2014-06-19 04:07 <nebadon> trying to do word wrap
2014-06-19 04:07 <AliciaRaven> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7221
2014-06-19 04:07 <nebadon> did you get your router sorted Misterblue?
2014-06-19 04:07 <AliciaRaven> i had to take out the water height part
2014-06-19 04:07 <Misterblue> I made adding BulletSim configuration parameters really easy... just define the variable and then a single function does the defaulting, parsing, getting and setting
2014-06-19 04:08 <AliciaRaven> Misterblue, im poking about in bullet sim at the moment trying to fix a problem, not getting far tho
2014-06-19 04:08 <Misterblue> nebadon: was going to do it tonight... if it works first time, no problem... but if not smooth, could be a while fixing :)
2014-06-19 04:09 <Misterblue> what are you looking for, AliciaRaven?
2014-06-19 04:09 <nebadon> ok Misterblue I am pretty sure it will go ok
2014-06-19 04:09 <nebadon> btw danbanner sent me this
2014-06-19 04:10 <nebadon> http://www.lostrealm.ca/tower/node/79
2014-06-19 04:10 <nebadon> thats the main website
2014-06-19 04:10 <nebadon> it is the version i told you last night
2014-06-19 04:10 <AliciaRaven> using projectiles, the collision event in script fires late so doesnt detect hitting the target, usualy fires after its bounced off the target and hit the wall behind
2014-06-19 04:10 <AliciaRaven> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7218
2014-06-19 04:12 <Dev_Random> nebadon:  you need to handle lineNo in your drawText function.  increment when it hits a \n
2014-06-19 04:13 <Misterblue> looking for that sort of thing, I turn on detailed physics logging... that dumps tons of information about processing collsions and everything else
2014-06-19 04:14 <Misterblue> Check the end of the [BulletSim] section in OpenSimDefaults.ini
2014-06-19 04:14 <Misterblue> that's all those DetailLog's you see scattered around BulletSim
2014-06-19 04:14 <Dev_Random> Misterblue: speaking of physics logging.. I have a 90MB tgz file for you where collisions have stopped working.
2014-06-19 04:15 <nebadon> thats what i thought too Dev_Random
2014-06-19 04:15 <nebadon> but that doesnt work
2014-06-19 04:15 <Misterblue> I love logs :)
2014-06-19 04:15 <nebadon> because its reading line number from the notecard
2014-06-19 04:15 <Dev_Random> http://digimancy.net/osgrid/downloads/Physics-Collisions_Stopped.tgz
2014-06-19 04:15 <Misterblue> downloading
2014-06-19 04:16 <AliciaRaven> thanks Misterblue, ill see if it shows anything up
2014-06-19 04:17 <Dev_Random> nebadon:  it's not reding from the notecatd, it's counting lines read from the notecard.  which is probably irrelevant if lines are wrapping.
2014-06-19 04:17 <Dev_Random> *it's not reading lineNo from the notecard*
2014-06-19 04:18 <Dev_Random> handling it in drawText will count lines written instead of lines read
2014-06-19 04:18 <Dev_Random> oh damn.. shutting up now... I just re-read the function
2014-06-19 04:19 <Dev_Random> probably needs 2 variables...
2014-06-19 04:19 <nebadon> ya this needs to be done differently
2014-06-19 04:20 <nebadon> not quite sure how to do this
2014-06-19 04:22 <Dev_Random> if drawText increments a separate globlal variable, it can be used as "cursor Y"... and it can also be used to determine when you've written 25 lines.
2014-06-19 04:24 <nebadon> man i was so overthinking this
2014-06-19 04:24 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-19 04:24 <nebadon> I think i have it
2014-06-19 04:42 <nebadon> nailed it!
2014-06-19 04:43 <nebadon> well sort of hmm
2014-06-19 04:43 <nebadon> the lines that need to be wraped are good
2014-06-19 04:43 <nebadon> but the ones that dont seem to be doing wierd wrapping 
2014-06-19 04:43 <nebadon> odd
2014-06-19 04:46 <nebadon> aha figured it out
2014-06-19 04:54 <AliciaRaven> ah if i add a 3 second delay between rezzing the projectile, and fireing it at the target, the script does detect the collision
2014-06-19 04:56 <AliciaRaven> but its not because the projectiles script isn't setup, another script with a collision event is in the target and that also doesn't get triggered when its hit by a newly rezzed prim
2014-06-19 04:57 <nebadon> check it out
2014-06-19 04:57 <nebadon> https://gist.github.com/nebadon2025/61e5dc3dffdc0fed888b
2014-06-19 04:57 <nebadon> my elegant new solution
2014-06-19 04:57 <nebadon> works awesome
2014-06-19 04:58 <AliciaRaven> seems that prims only start to receive collision events a few seconds after they are rezzed :(
2014-06-19 04:59 <nebadon> ya that needs fixing 
2014-06-19 04:59 <nebadon> i need to do a line count check
2014-06-19 05:00 <AliciaRaven> looks cool nebadon, would work better with a fixed width font tho
2014-06-19 05:02 <AliciaRaven> Misterblue u still around?
2014-06-19 05:02 <Misterblue> yep
2014-06-19 05:03 <AliciaRaven> any idea what could be causing the delay with script collisions?
2014-06-19 05:04 <Misterblue> wonder if there is any way of knowing when the script is compiled and  ready... sometimes scripts take a while
2014-06-19 05:04 <AliciaRaven> it must be detecting collisions on the prim to bounce off the target but for some reason it doesnt start to detect script collisions for 3 to 4 seconds after rezzing
2014-06-19 05:04 <Misterblue> there could be a delay that no one has ever documented... people usually wouldn't notice if it took a few seconds for scripts to become ready
2014-06-19 05:04 <nebadon> any suggestion on fixed width fone AliciaRaven?
2014-06-19 05:05 <AliciaRaven> i think its compiled, i see the on rez event shout out before it hits the target, yet it still bounces off it, might be close enough to cause issues
2014-06-19 05:05 <Misterblue> do you see the collision subscription? that would be when the script was active
2014-06-19 05:06 <Misterblue> if a script has a collision event handler, a flag is set on the prim that is used to subscribe to physics collisions
2014-06-19 05:06 <AliciaRaven> will have alook, and fixed width font, umm they are usualy ugly but there are some, let me check
2014-06-19 05:06 <Misterblue> look for "AggregateScriptEvents" in SceneObjectGroup
2014-06-19 05:08 <AliciaRaven> nebadon.. Courier, Courier New, Lucida Console, Monaco, and Consolas are all fixed width
2014-06-19 05:08 <nebadon> ok 
2014-06-19 05:09 <nebadon> i'll give it a shot thanks
2014-06-19 05:10 <AliciaRaven> Misterblue found AggregateScriptEvents, checking physics log now, but heck thats alot of text lol
2014-06-19 05:11 <Misterblue> LOL... ya... search for Subscription or look in BSPhysObject and see what the subscription code might output
2014-06-19 05:13 <Misterblue> doesn't look like subscription outputs a message :-(
2014-06-19 05:13 <AliciaRaven> it must subscribe to the events because it does fire eventualy
2014-06-19 05:13 <Misterblue> the collision logic is funny
2014-06-19 05:14 <Misterblue> the simulator subscribes for collisions in milliseconds... that's the minimum ms between collisions
2014-06-19 05:14 <nebadon> it looks nice with Consolas AliciaRaven
2014-06-19 05:14 <Misterblue> that is, if the SOG subscribes for 5000 ms, it will only receive a collision every 5 seconds even if collisions happen more frequently
2014-06-19 05:15 <nebadon> looks justified now
2014-06-19 05:15 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, cool, easier to measure with accuracy
2014-06-19 05:16 <Misterblue> it might be possible that the fix in BSPhysObjects.SubscribeEvents (which moves back the 'last collsion' time so the first collision will happen immediately) is not working right
2014-06-19 05:16 <AliciaRaven> the default is 1000, i tried changing that value earlier but no change, i thought it might have bounced off before it tested or something
2014-06-19 05:18 <AliciaRaven> yea, its funny watching it bounce off the target and roll up the wall behind then suddenly decided to send the script event lol
2014-06-19 05:18 <Misterblue> might add a DetailLog statement to SubscribeEvents and see when that is happening in relation to the collision
2014-06-19 05:19 <Misterblue> the delegate inside PhysScene.TaintedObject will happen just before the next physics step
2014-06-19 05:19 <AliciaRaven> if that was the issue, i would expect it to do it all the time, not just for the first few seconds
2014-06-19 05:19 <Misterblue> 
ACTION is still suspicious about slow script compile/startup

2014-06-19 05:20 <AliciaRaven> i said it wasnt script startup because i saw the on rez event message, but maybe there is more going on after that and before the collison event is registered
2014-06-19 05:21 <AliciaRaven> yep, it has to be that :(
2014-06-19 05:26 <osmantis> Bug #7181:04 BulletSPlugin : The requested operation caused a stack overflow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7181 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-19 05:32 <AliciaRaven> Misterblue, is it better to run bullet on its own thread? just wondering if thats off by default because its not ready to be used
2014-06-19 05:33 <Misterblue> it works wonderfully on its own thread
2014-06-19 05:33 <Misterblue> it is easier to debug if not on same thread
2014-06-19 05:33 <Misterblue> there was never a consensus that it was 100% working so it never defaulted to on
2014-06-19 05:34 <AliciaRaven> cool i have it on its own thread for testing, but was worried about using it on my grid
2014-06-19 05:34 <Misterblue> also frame tiem statistics are all messed up.... people didn't like that
2014-06-19 05:34 <Misterblue> it should work fine
2014-06-19 05:34 <dahlia> does messed up frame time stats also mess up time dilation?
2014-06-19 05:34 <Misterblue> the only problem I remember was some people claimed to have smooth movement problems for vehicles and airplanes
2014-06-19 05:35 <dahlia> that might mess up dead reconing
2014-06-19 05:35 <Misterblue> humm... not sure about time dialation and the physics engine having a different frame rate than the simulator
2014-06-19 05:36 <Misterblue> 
ACTION puts on thinking cap

2014-06-19 05:36 <AliciaRaven> if dead reconing is being messed up that could acount for those smooth movement problems
2014-06-19 05:37 <dahlia> well not sure how time dilation factors in
2014-06-19 05:37 <dahlia> it used to be in SL when time dilation was < 1.0 your avatar would move slower
2014-06-19 05:37 <Misterblue> the physics frame time default is the same as the simulator default (0.089 seconds)
2014-06-19 05:38 <Misterblue> does OpenSim even compute time dialation correctly?
2014-06-19 05:38 <dahlia> dunno I vaguely remember teravus talking about it way back when
2014-06-19 05:40 <AliciaRaven> wouldnt dead reconing need time dialation to work? maybe it just uses ping time instead
2014-06-19 05:41 <dahlia> the sim sends velocity
2014-06-19 05:41 <dahlia> one would think that would be sufficient
2014-06-19 05:41 <dahlia> oh wait...
2014-06-19 05:41 <dahlia> time dilation is sent quite often
2014-06-19 05:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #3653 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-19 05:42 <dahlia> like maybe even every packet has it
2014-06-19 05:42 <dahlia> velocity is only sent on updates
2014-06-19 05:42 <dahlia> so time dilation would be a better signal
2014-06-19 05:43 <Misterblue> we should just assume there is no time dialation... SL needed it in the old days... now we make sure the physics e ngine doesn't get overloaded
2014-06-19 05:43 <dahlia> so just send 1.0 :)
2014-06-19 05:44 <Misterblue> faster computers solve all problems :)
2014-06-19 05:44 <dahlia> how can you make sure tho? other out-of process activity could affect it
2014-06-19 05:44 <AliciaRaven> dead reconing would need velocity and ping time i think
2014-06-19 05:44 <dahlia> dead reckoning definately needs velocity
2014-06-19 05:45 <Misterblue> AliciaRaven: I did some messing with your flying patch... added the parameters
2014-06-19 05:45 <AliciaRaven> cool :)
2014-06-19 05:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3653: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3653/
2014-06-19 05:46 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: more tweeks to AliciaRaven's flying mods. Added parameters
2014-06-19 05:47 <AliciaRaven> ive programed dead reconing before in a game i worked on, we used velocity but also need ping time to know how far ahead in time your trying to compensate for with the estimated position
2014-06-19 05:47 <AliciaRaven> long time ago but i remember it was a pita
2014-06-19 05:49 <Misterblue> I'm going to have to find a OSX build environment to rebuild BulletSim
2014-06-19 05:49 <Misterblue> I also need to find a Linux 32 and 64 environment to build it in but I have a handle on that problem
2014-06-19 06:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #3654 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-19 06:04 <osmantis> Bug #7191:04 [BULLETSIM] exception with linkset on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7191 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-19 06:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3654: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3654/
2014-06-19 06:07 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: stop processing linkset child when it is discovered that the
2014-06-19 06:48 <nebadon> if anyone wants my noteboard here it is
2014-06-19 06:48 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/iars/noteboard2.iar
2014-06-19 06:48 <nebadon> be sure to read notes at top of the script
2014-06-19 06:48 <nebadon> it requires Deja Vu Sans Mono font be installed
2014-06-19 22:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #3655 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-19 22:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3655: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3655/
2014-06-19 22:57 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Fix looking up line number and colum when there is no exact match.
2014-06-19 22:57 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Improved line map heuristics.
2014-06-19 23:02 <osmantis> Bug #6764:04 Mono debug line numbers are completely off 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6764 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-06-19 23:14 <frnic> Can someone point me at where in the code the "meshing" configuration option is accessed/used to define the mesher that is used? I can not find a reference to it in core?
2014-06-19 23:26 <frnic> duh, nevermind - my bad - sigh
2014-06-19 23:28 <dahlia> frnic: meshing = Meshmerizer but thats the default
2014-06-19 23:28 <dahlia> in OpenSim.ini
2014-06-19 23:28 <lkalif> why would that even be a setting
2014-06-19 23:28 <dahlia> history :)
2014-06-19 23:29 <lkalif> Meshmerizer is so awesome, there should be no way to disable it ;)
2014-06-19 23:29 <frnic> dahlia, thanks, yes, I understand - I am using a new IDE and didn't find it at first. I found it now, I am verifying all the settings in OpenSimDefaults.ini match the settings in the code a few don't.
2014-06-19 23:31 <dahlia> lkalif: so if I'm feeling pissy I can say "if you think I haven't contributed, change your meshing setting to something besides Meshmerizer and enjoy your experience :)"
2014-06-19 23:31 <lkalif> lol
2014-06-19 23:31 <lkalif> exactly
2014-06-19 23:32 <frnic> for example, the ini says bulletsim is the default, but the code says ODE is.
2014-06-19 23:32 <dahlia> orly?
2014-06-19 23:33 <frnic>                 config.Set("physics", "OpenDynamicsEngine");
2014-06-19 23:33 <frnic> still in the code - I will file a mantis to fix/change that.
2014-06-19 23:33 <dahlia> I'd blame justin but he's not here. Its more fun to blame him when he's around :)
2014-06-19 23:33 <lkalif> well there is two "defaults"
2014-06-19 23:33 <frnic> two?
2014-06-19 23:33 <lkalif> default in the code, and default .ini shipped
2014-06-19 23:34 <lkalif> default .ini shipped is bullet, which is what most people would end up using
2014-06-19 23:34 <lkalif> the code one is only used if no ini is specified
2014-06-19 23:34 <frnic> oh, understand - by "definition" (according the dev's I have talked to) the OpenSimDefaults.ini is supposed to match the code (or vice versa)
2014-06-19 23:34 <lkalif> key being "supposed to" ;)
2014-06-19 23:35 <frnic> Yes, that is part of why I am reviewing it - so we can get them into sync
2014-06-19 23:36 <dahlia> comment it out in all ini files and see which one comes up
2014-06-19 23:39 <frnic> verifying the code helps me to learn it and where and when and how things are set - they are not all set the same.
2014-06-19 23:39 <dahlia> ya but ini options can be confusing sometimes
2014-06-19 23:39 <dahlia> they arent consistently used
2014-06-19 23:41 <frnic> I understand, which is more "learning" for me :)
2014-06-19 23:52 <frnic> Is it just me or is this a bit draconian? 
2014-06-19 23:52 <frnic>             m_Enabled = (startupConfig.GetString("emailmodule", "DefaultEmailModule") == "DefaultEmailModule");
2014-06-19 23:53 <frnic> the default setting is DefaultEmailModule, and any attempt to set it to anything else will disable it.
2014-06-19 23:53 <frnic> I guess the assumption is the "other" module will enable itself.
2014-06-19 23:54 <diva> that's the idiom for almost all of the replaceable modules in opensim
2014-06-19 23:54 <diva> they check themselves if they are supposed to be on
2014-06-19 23:55 <frnic> hmm, interesting
2014-06-19 23:58 <frnic> Okay, I understand - thank you Diva - I would never call them if they were not enabled, but that is a just a different approach.
2014-06-19 23:59 <lkalif> frnic: It's actually much easier to implement it this way. for the module to check itself
2014-06-20 00:00 <lkalif> the loader can just look at the assembly type for interface implementation
2014-06-20 00:01 <diva> that's how region modules work. They're always loaded if they are in the dlls, but they may be disabled voluntarily
2014-06-20 00:01 <frnic> Ikalif, I understand, and can see how that works now that I know it is intentional. I have always used the approach of replacing a module - rather than loading the module and then having it disable itself. I don't have a problem with either way. This works, and that is what matters - :)
2014-06-20 00:02 <frnic> It does explain why I have always noticed modules that were disabled being loaded in the log - makes sense now.
2014-06-20 00:02 <frnic> My approach has the fragile base class issues.
2014-06-20 00:32 <osmantis> Bug #7201:04 Terrainediting with Firestorm is buggy 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7201 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-20 00:34 <osmantis> Bug #7201:04 Terrainediting is buggy 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7201 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-06-20 00:40 <frnic> diva - should HGWorldMapModule "normally" be used if a region is enabled for HG? What does it offer that is different from WorldMapModule?
2014-06-20 00:41 <frnic> The reason I ask is that it is currently not offered as an option in OpenSimDefaults.ini - and so most people ?? would not know it exists?
2014-06-20 00:41 <diva> It used to cleans up the map blocks on the viewer when you do an HG jump. The viewer likes to hold on to that info, so you have to reset it when you change grids
2014-06-20 00:42 <diva> I never look into what's in OpenSimDefaults
2014-06-20 00:42 <frnic> Okay, so it is something that a user might want to set if they need it?
2014-06-20 00:42 <diva> yes, it should be used for HG sims
2014-06-20 00:42 <frnic> I will add it to OpenSimDefaults.ini.
2014-06-20 00:43 <diva> k
2014-06-20 00:43 <frnic> cools
2014-06-20 00:43 <frnic> :)
2014-06-20 01:07 <nebadon> diva > http://i.imgur.com/dcDPjFc.png
2014-06-20 01:07 <nebadon> totally you lol i just happened upon this lol
2014-06-20 01:07 <diva> hahaha
2014-06-20 01:08 <diva> that's very funny! I just called godaddy to seee if they could solve the problem
2014-06-20 01:09 <diva> and they gave me a number from costumer support at google. I didn't know they had one
2014-06-20 01:09 <Plugh> nebadon: Nice one.
2014-06-20 01:09 <nebadon> ya Google has a huge tech support department
2014-06-20 01:10 <nebadon> did you see "The Internship"
2014-06-20 01:10 <nebadon> funny movie
2014-06-20 01:10 <diva> no
2014-06-20 01:11 <nebadon> http://www.theinternshipmovie.com/
2014-06-20 01:23 <diva> nah i give up with google over the phone. that's a joke. all tech support issues ==> go to a web page
2014-06-20 01:31 <nebadon> use the google webmaster tools
2014-06-20 01:31 <nebadon> thats how i resolved a lot of the opensimulator.org issues
2014-06-20 01:31 <nebadon> google actually blacklisted us completely
2014-06-20 01:31 <nebadon> email and search engine
2014-06-20 01:32 <nebadon> i had it resolved in about 24 hours or less
2014-06-20 01:32 <nebadon> just using the google webmaster tools
2014-06-20 01:32 <nebadon> I don't know to what extent those tools cover email, but what it does is lets you scan your site and stuff, seo, and resolve issues with google directly
2014-06-20 01:32 <nebadon> it tells you problems it finds with your website
2014-06-20 01:33 <nebadon> https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/home?hl=en
2014-06-20 01:34 <diva> what do you do there?
2014-06-20 01:34 <nebadon> well you have to add your site it makes you confirm you own the site by uploading a snippet to your server
2014-06-20 01:35 <nebadon> then from there it has all kinds of tools for analysing your web services
2014-06-20 01:35 <diva> uh
2014-06-20 01:35 <diva> interesting!
2014-06-20 01:35 <nebadon> aha
2014-06-20 01:35 <nebadon> it has a email markup verifier
2014-06-20 01:35 <nebadon> oh that might be something else
2014-06-20 01:36 <diva> well I just typed my domain name there, and now it's doing some diagnostics
2014-06-20 01:36 <nebadon> ok cool
2014-06-20 01:36 <nebadon> no idea if this will help
2014-06-20 01:36 <nebadon> but something to check
2014-06-20 01:36 <nebadon> its how i resolved all issues with opensimulator.org
2014-06-20 01:36 <diva> it doesn't seem to have anything to do with gmail though
2014-06-20 01:37 <nebadon> no what i was hoping is maybe it would point out any misconfigurations with your DNS or something
2014-06-20 01:37 <nebadon> or tell you if anything is amiss with your domain in general with google
2014-06-20 01:37 <nebadon> there is a security section
2014-06-20 01:37 <nebadon> that highlights any time your domain would be blacklisted or anything with google
2014-06-20 01:37 <diva> yeah, but nothing there
2014-06-20 01:38 <nebadon> ok, was worth a shot
2014-06-20 01:38 <diva> and I don't see anyh problems with the index
2014-06-20 01:38 <diva> no security issues either
2014-06-20 01:41 <diva> oh well
2014-06-20 01:47 <diva> I'll just continue with the political fight for ppl to stop using gmail. freakin' monster
2014-06-20 01:48 <nebadon> haha 
2014-06-20 01:48 <nebadon> I unfortunately have no choice
2014-06-20 01:49 <nebadon> i literally have like 10 gmail accounts I check right now
2014-06-20 01:49 <dahlia> 10? lol I have 2 and I only check one
2014-06-20 01:52 <nebadon> ya well everyone i work with has thier email hosted with google business account
2014-06-20 01:52 <nebadon> so they technically arent @gmail.com
2014-06-20 01:52 <nebadon> but i have to log into gmail
2014-06-20 01:54 <diva> I have several too, but I only use the encitra one regularly. All others go for weeks/months unchecked. It is pretty scary that everyone is using gmail. Next thing you know, google's spam heuristics will converge to only accepting email from gmail accounts. 
2014-06-20 01:54 <nebadon> haha
2014-06-20 01:54 <diva> wouldn't surprise me a bit!
2014-06-20 01:54 <dahlia> my main email is yahoo
2014-06-20 01:55 <dahlia> but I kinda fear yahoo is following in google's path
2014-06-20 01:56 <dahlia> I pay yahoo for premium email but I kinda suspect they will profile that too
2014-06-20 02:17 <AliciaRaven> dahlia, my isp had a contract with yahoo to provide email but they droped them because of the security problems
2014-06-20 02:57 <dahlia> AliciaRaven: you mean the password thing?
2014-06-20 02:57 <dahlia> ya I changed my pw
2014-06-20 02:57 <AliciaRaven> yea, 3 times and yahoo said after each one that they fixed it, and then it starts again
2014-06-20 02:58 <AliciaRaven> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/epic/btdota/10089355/BT-dumps-Yahoo-email-after-hacking-claims.html
2014-06-20 03:02 <dahlia> ya cant say thats ever happened to me
2014-06-20 03:03 <AliciaRaven> happend to me, and i use strong passwords
2014-06-20 03:04 <AliciaRaven> i dont trust yahoo since that
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2014-06-20 05:54 <lkalif> lol
2014-06-20 05:54 <lkalif> nebadon: you hit diva's nerv :P
2014-06-20 06:42 <LuciusSir> dooby doo
2014-06-20 06:42 <LuciusSir> so
2014-06-20 06:43 <LuciusSir> anyone know how to create ad hoc video streams that will repeat the same image the whole time that are sl compat ?
2014-06-20 06:51 <osmantis> Bug #7181:04 BulletSPlugin : The requested operation caused a stack overflow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7181 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-20 06:56 <osmantis> Bug #7181:04 BulletSPlugin : The requested operation caused a stack overflow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7181 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-20 07:34 <osmantis> Bug #7181:04 BulletSPlugin : The requested operation caused a stack overflow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7181 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-20 07:47 <osmantis> Bug #7181:04 BulletSPlugin : The requested operation caused a stack overflow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7181 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-20 09:51 <osmantis> Bug #7220:04 Hypergrid jump from OSGrid to Kitely Welcome Center confuses viewer / server about worn attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7220 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-20 13:47 <osmantis> Bug #7225:04 [PATCH]Bulletsim-- Implement Avatar Terminal Velocity 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7225 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-20 13:47 <osmantis> Bug #7225:04 [PATCH]Bulletsim-- Implement Avatar Terminal Velocity 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7225 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-06-20 16:17 <diva> nebadon, I love the white board!
2014-06-20 16:19 <nebadon> :)
2014-06-20 17:08 <Aleric> What is the name of the file where the sim writes it log to?
2014-06-20 17:08 <Aleric> OpenSim.log I guess .. :*) nm
2014-06-20 18:09 <Plugh> If I create a notecard or script it gets saved to the asset table. If I modify that notecard or script does it change the existing asset or does it always create a new asset?
2014-06-20 18:11 <smxy> Pretty sure it creates a new one.
2014-06-20 18:12 <smxy> Shame we don't do deduplication.
2014-06-20 18:12 <Plugh> ok. I want to migrate to SRAS but minimize down time. I figure I could export all asset blobs up to a given date while grid is running then I can shut down and export the assets after that date.
2014-06-20 18:13 <Plugh> it seems a waste to create new asset if I'm the only one who has the NC or script.
2014-06-20 18:14 <smxy> Melanie says disk is cheap. Easy to say when it's others that have to buy the disks.
2014-06-20 18:14 <Plugh> There must be hundreds, likely thousands of dead NC's and scripts in the asset tables for a grid that's been running a while.
2014-06-20 18:14 <smxy> But she's right, for the most part.
2014-06-20 18:14 <Plugh> yeah.
2014-06-20 18:15 <Plugh> smxy: When I get clear of some things I"m involved in now I want to revisit how asset blob data is handled.
2014-06-20 18:17 <smxy> I use an iSCSI SAN for my VMs datastore's. FreeNAS can do deduplication, but my understanding is that there's a big performance hit and they recommend compression instead, so that's what I'm using. If they get a handle on the performance, I might switch.
2014-06-20 18:20 <Plugh> I have my assets on blob experiment, Justin has a proposal in the wiki, and their is SRAS. I will be talking with the other dev's to decide on what approach may be best so a better blob handling system can be built in to OS.
2014-06-20 18:21 <Plugh> s/assets on blob/asset blobs on disk/
2014-06-20 18:38 <Aleric> *chuckles* I just did the impossible in LSL :^). heheh. Now this is hacking :)
2014-06-20 18:41 <lkalif> what did you make?
2014-06-20 18:45 <Aleric> Not sure if I want to say :p... I worked months on a new sitter script that I designed from the ground up.  The goal I set myself is that if an object with a lot of animations in it gets popular then the default positions and rotations are calculated based on everyone else did (in the whole grid!). So, if 100 people with different avatar sizes worked hard to align stuff, then the default for any avatar size gets based on - also for new objects used on 
2014-06-20 18:45 <Aleric> different sims by different people.
2014-06-20 18:46 <Aleric> In other to make this work I had made an assumption, months ago and found out two days ago that this was not possible: it's prohibited because of a "theft" argument :/.
2014-06-20 18:46 <Aleric> Sean gave up when we found out... we almost got into a fight :/
2014-06-20 18:46 <lkalif> does it work in SL too?
2014-06-20 18:46 <Aleric> yup, just tested that.
2014-06-20 18:47 <Aleric> I so need this that I'm not going to say what it is :p ... some idiot might get it into his head to "fix" it.
2014-06-20 18:47 <lkalif> lol
2014-06-20 18:48 <LiruCookies> "theft" argument?
2014-06-20 18:49 <Aleric> More like security by obscurity.
2014-06-20 18:49 <Aleric> Everything is available to everyone, we all know that - except scripts.
2014-06-20 18:51 <Aleric> But not everything available from an LSL script - which kinda stupid cause the real hacker (by lack of a better word) can get the info anyway. I find it silly when certain info was available in the past, but is no longer - while you can still get it anyway if you hack a little bit. That is not real secure at all - it's just making it harder so the stupid masses probably won't do it - or at least will do it out of sight.
2014-06-20 18:55 <Aleric> (talking about the masses, and as example: Linden Lab probably never even HEARD of darkstorm - and if some Linden did then they will never talk about it, let alone admit they aren't able to stop it (read: detect it)). All LL really cares about is to keep the masses ignorant as much as possible, then everyone is happy :p
2014-06-20 18:56 <LiruCookies> LL's certainly heard of darkstorm.
2014-06-20 18:56 <Aleric> but?
2014-06-20 18:56 <LiruCookies> But what? They can't identify it, and if they do, they issue bans.
2014-06-20 18:57 <LiruCookies> People who use darkstorm have gotten MAC banned in the past.
2014-06-20 18:57 <Aleric> lol
2014-06-20 18:57 <Aleric> You mean darkstorm isn't faking the MAC? I never looked at their source code - but that would be pretty stupid (and unbelievable).
2014-06-20 18:57 <lkalif> doesn't that randomize mac sent?
2014-06-20 18:57 <LiruCookies> And account banned, needless to say.
2014-06-20 18:58 <LiruCookies> There is no public darkstorm source
2014-06-20 18:58 <LiruCookies> Or there shouldn't be... there's password sendy phone home stuff in there
2014-06-20 18:58 <lkalif> yeah it would be pretty lame h1x0r viewer if it didn't randomize mac addresses ;)
2014-06-20 18:58 <LiruCookies> Who would give that knowledge out?
2014-06-20 18:58 <Aleric> Oh - well, no idea.  I think it's dangerous to use it anyway.
2014-06-20 18:59 <LiruCookies> Yeah, but the mac ban means they're locked on the bad viewers.
2014-06-20 18:59 <Aleric> According to you-know-who, it surely has a backdoor - and I wouldn't be surprised if one can transfer L$'s via that backdoor.
2014-06-20 19:03 <Aleric> I think I'd be able to come up with a plan to make the economics system 1000 times more secure; make it hard enough to really stop stealing stuff. I'm pretty sure that LL wouldn't like to invest in that though. It's not their money.
2014-06-20 19:05 <Aleric> The new mesh objects are a lot better though; the first step in making things secure is by forcing a re-upload namely, and that is necessary for mesh. So, I guess it doesn't matter that much for the legal stuff. Only mesh is what counts these days.
2014-06-20 19:05 <Aleric> for the legacy* stuff
2014-06-20 19:07 <Aleric> but before mesh LL was saying it was not possible - but it was. All they have to do is change the protocol and never hand out asset UUIDs. They'd have to hand out special UUIDs that only map to the users inventory. Then people should only be allowed to use something when they actually had it in their inventory. 
2014-06-20 19:08 <Aleric> Ie, now - if you hack a viewer - you see the asset UUID of almost everything: textures, animations, sounds etc. And having that you can use them.  If instead all you could see was an UUID that refered something in your inventory, then couldn't use that. You'd basically be saying to the server: use my inventory thing like this or that - and that would not be allowed if you didn't have the permissions.
2014-06-20 19:11 <Aleric> That would be 100% water tight. The only way to use stuff then was to reconstruct an uploadable file from the data itself (also in the viewer of course) and then *upload* that as if you are the author.  To guard against do that, they'd have to write detectors that detect duplicated uploads - gray area I guess. Ie, you'd not be able to re-upload an literal asset file anymore, because those are unique for SL (or could be made unique that is);
2014-06-20 19:13 <Aleric> but one could for example use google to search for a texture, download the original from the internet and upload that - then that would be an exact duplicate because you found the original back, and it would be unreasonable of LL to say: you stole it, cause you didn't: you upload just the same thing as the other person.
2014-06-20 19:14 <Aleric> But if they can't say that in that case, then they also can't say it when you just re-upload a texture after conversion to png
2014-06-20 19:15 <Aleric> My idea was (before mesh, when it still seemed to matter) is to throw away 75% of the resolution of uploaded textures.
2014-06-20 19:16 <Aleric> Ie, you MUST upload 2048x2048 (after compression) in order to get 1024x1024.  Just turning every pixel into a 2x2 area shouldn't work of course :p - that can be detected by compressing the image and looking at the data size... There must actually be information lost.
2014-06-20 19:17 <Aleric> Then you could download a texture and reupload it - but that would make it always more blurry.
2014-06-20 19:17 <lkalif> Aleric: animations are the data
2014-06-20 19:18 <lkalif> there is no "animation data" other than the animation asset itself
2014-06-20 19:18 <Aleric> Using google to find the original would still work - but that isn't really theft to begin with.
2014-06-20 19:18 <lkalif> the viewer only gets "play anumation uuid"
2014-06-20 19:18 <Aleric> Yeah, in case of animations it would not work :p
2014-06-20 19:19 <lkalif> everything that viewer displays cannot be protected no matter what you do
2014-06-20 19:19 <lkalif> it cannot be "water tight"
2014-06-20 19:20 <Aleric> but animations are a lot easier to hash, and lot harder to accidently duplicate. One could make a rough 'hash' of animations and forbid uploads that are too much equal to the original... If you had to make actual changes to animations before you could reupload them then I think most people would rather just pay the L$250 for it :p
2014-06-20 19:22 <lkalif> there are a lot of public domain anims out there
2014-06-20 19:22 <lkalif> like sample animations
2014-06-20 19:22 <lkalif> that would prevent people from uploading the same animation
2014-06-20 19:22 <Aleric> yeah.. :/
2014-06-20 19:24 <Aleric> it's not feasible I guess... it's like making digital art and then thinking you can twice as rich by making twice as much copies - while making a copy doesn't cost anything :p.  Economy needs to be redesigned when it's about digital content :/.
2014-06-20 19:26 <Aleric> Personally I'd prefer it when everything in virtual world is just free. Like open source. Things would be improved, again and again - only get better and better. Maybe there wouldn't be professional designers trying to become a millionair in SL, but nice things would still be made, just cause people wanted it for themselves.
2014-06-20 19:29 <lkalif> I don't have much problem with the way LL implemented stuff. I know you can copy everything (except scripts), but they say don't. Most people will respect that request.
2014-06-20 19:30 <Aleric> The goal of the economy system is to get creators.. that seems to work well enough, so it works.
2014-06-20 20:07 <osmantis> Bug #7224:04 OpenSim.ini.example please check if -console=rest should that be -console rest (for Windows) or are both forms okay? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7224 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-06-20 21:00 <osmantis> Bug #7226:04 [PATCH]Bulletsim-- Implement Vehicle Reference Frame. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7226 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-20 21:00 <osmantis> Bug #7226:04 [PATCH]Bulletsim-- Implement Vehicle Reference Frame. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7226 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-06-20 21:06 <lkalif> well LL just dropped a bombshell
2014-06-20 21:07 <Plugh> oh? What have they done now?
2014-06-20 21:08 <Plugh> hm... new avatars announced again, and mention of exploring the world with Oculus Rift.
2014-06-20 21:08 <lkalif> SL is dad man walking
2014-06-20 21:09 <lkalif> The CEO was at TPV developer meeting 
2014-06-20 21:09 <lkalif> He said they are working on a next gen platform
2014-06-20 21:09 <lkalif> they have moved most of the development resources over to the new +platform
2014-06-20 21:09 <lkalif> Oz Linden will lead a small group of engineers tasked to maintain SL
2014-06-20 21:10 <lkalif> The new platform will be closed sourced
2014-06-20 21:10 <lkalif> and incompatible with SL networl and content
2014-06-20 21:10 <paulieflomar> link?
2014-06-20 21:11 <Plugh> oh. :P  Thought they might have provided a way to move stuff over. If it is very different I suppose that might not be possible.
2014-06-20 21:12 <lkalif> there is no link, we had a chat with the CEO
2014-06-20 21:12 <Dev_Random> no doubt a new currency too.  not convertible from L$.
2014-06-20 21:13 <paulieflomar> ok
2014-06-20 21:13 <lkalif> actually it will probably be L$
2014-06-20 21:13 <Dev_Random> heh.. imagine the uproar....
2014-06-20 21:14 <paulieflomar> interesting times...
2014-06-20 21:14 <Dev_Random> so will TPV be an option?
2014-06-20 21:14 <lkalif> nope
2014-06-20 21:14 <lkalif> closed source
2014-06-20 21:15 <Dev_Random> wow.
2014-06-20 21:15 <paulieflomar> Ikalif, do you know if there will be a transcript of the meeting made available?
2014-06-20 21:16 <vegaslon> guess they figure someone would make a opensource server for it if it was opensource
2014-06-20 21:16 <lkalif> paulieflomar: there is a video being uploaded to youtube
2014-06-20 21:16 <paulieflomar> thx
2014-06-20 21:16 <Plugh> 
ACTION wonders what it will cost to join and play in the new world when it is ready

2014-06-20 21:17 <lkalif> 120 GB raw video to convert, projected file size 3 GB.
2014-06-20 21:17 <lkalif> 3-4 hrs
2014-06-20 21:17 <paulieflomar> I wonder if Sl tier will finally drop due to this? heh
2014-06-20 21:17 <Plugh> 120G to 3G? Good compression. :)
2014-06-20 21:20 <osmantis> Bug #7227:04 Unable to teleport from map or hg link 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7227 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-20 21:34 <diva> lkalif: where did you about hear that new LL vw?
2014-06-20 21:35 <lkalif> Linden CEO dropped by biweekly meeting between LL and TPV developers
2014-06-20 21:36 <diva> does it have anything to do with Rosedale's high fidelity?
2014-06-20 21:36 <lkalif> no, I asked that specifically. He said it's unrelated
2014-06-20 21:37 <diva> who's LL CEO these days?
2014-06-20 21:37 <lkalif> They have a new CEO, this swedish guy
2014-06-20 21:37 <lkalif> Ebbe something
2014-06-20 21:37 <lkalif> he's actually great
2014-06-20 21:38 <diva> and the new vw will be incompatible with SL? How all that conent going to transfer over?
2014-06-20 21:39 <diva> content
2014-06-20 21:39 <lkalif> it's not
2014-06-20 21:39 <diva> oh wow
2014-06-20 21:39 <lkalif> They seem to be wanting to press a reset button
2014-06-20 21:39 <lkalif> new protocol, new content, closed source
2014-06-20 21:39 <AllenKerensky> but I won't hold my breath that the existing SL world will be bridged to OpenSim
2014-06-20 21:39 <lkalif> about the only thing that they seem to be willing to share is currency
2014-06-20 21:39 <diva> new community/ costumers too?
2014-06-20 21:40 <lkalif> He said that the goal is to keep SL's killer feature: user generated content, and a very low barrier to becoming a content creator
2014-06-20 21:40 <AllenKerensky> hmmm all closed, with the corporate view trying to fix everything they learned they didn't want from SL... so are we talking Bluer Mars?
2014-06-20 21:41 <lkalif> I also reminded him of Blue Mars
2014-06-20 21:42 <lkalif> there will come under pressure to make this stuff only accessible to professional content creators
2014-06-20 21:42 <lkalif> people who speak Maya and 3DS
2014-06-20 21:42 <AllenKerensky> and TurboSquid and 3Dwarehouse already have the free/commercial 3D content systems, with previewers and tools
2014-06-20 21:42 <lkalif> And that would be disaster
2014-06-20 21:43 <AllenKerensky> well, its interesting news - gonna be interesting to see how LL manages the graceful exit from SL to The New World whatever that might be
2014-06-20 21:43 <diva> yeah, interesting
2014-06-20 21:43 <AllenKerensky> i wonder if they will pilfer, er, datamine your inventory in SL before extending the "invite"
2014-06-20 21:44 <Dev_Random> any word on scripting & physics?  new engines?
2014-06-20 21:44 <diva> it's sort of strange that the first time they talk about itpublicly would be in a TPV devs meeting
2014-06-20 21:44 <lkalif> yes
2014-06-20 21:44 <diva> or were there rumors already?
2014-06-20 21:45 <Dev_Random> heh.. Ebbe's account was hacked.....
2014-06-20 21:45 <lkalif> where?
2014-06-20 21:45 <Dev_Random> lkalif:  was meant to be humour...
2014-06-20 21:46 <AllenKerensky> so this also means SL is essentially "feature complete" ? *evilgrin*
2014-06-20 21:46 <lkalif> They kept trying to insist that the development of SL will continue
2014-06-20 21:47 <lkalif> But this whole discussion came about when I asked Ebbe about C#, how LSL is really preventing greating content from getting created
2014-06-20 21:47 <AllenKerensky> sure - just understaffed and overworked at levels not seen in the history of SL?
2014-06-20 21:47 <lkalif> And then he said that most resources are going to this new thing
2014-06-20 21:47 <lkalif> and that there will be no major effor like new scripting languages in SL
2014-06-20 21:49 <AllenKerensky> kind of saddening I guess - yet another sign of the slide - but I still miss VRML and Blaxxun too
2014-06-20 21:50 <AllenKerensky> more freedom for OpenSim tho - less wondering if some random LL wrench will mess with the course or direction
2014-06-20 21:55 <diva> it is weird that the first public reference would be casual. DSounds like CEO fubar
2014-06-20 21:55 <diva> that's not the kind of thing you want to drop casually in a conversation
2014-06-20 21:56 <diva> it might create ripples of drama through the SL community
2014-06-20 21:56 <AllenKerensky> and if not then they know its the right move
2014-06-20 21:59 <diva> they may be positioning themselves for a Facebook acquisition
2014-06-20 22:01 <AllenKerensky> maybe - weird/interesting if so
2014-06-20 22:24 <smxy> Well, maybe we can get viewers to focus more on OpenSim if SL goes away. :)
2014-06-20 22:25 <smxy> And OpenSim would be free to go whatever direction it wanted.
2014-06-20 22:26 <diva> we could use a viewer with better graphics that would take advantage of GPUs
2014-06-20 22:27 <lkalif> parse error
2014-06-20 22:27 <diva> which word? :)
2014-06-20 22:27 <lkalif> the whole sentence
2014-06-20 22:27 <lkalif> there are already viewers
2014-06-20 22:27 <lkalif> and all of them use GPU
2014-06-20 22:27 <diva> I thought the SL viewer doesn't use GPU that much?
2014-06-20 22:28 <lkalif> they do
2014-06-20 22:28 <lkalif> SL viewer is quite good actually.
2014-06-20 22:28 <diva> then why are the graphics so much worse than call of duty?
2014-06-20 22:28 <lkalif> Given its task: to render user generated, non-professionally-optimized content
2014-06-20 22:28 <lkalif> diva: content quality
2014-06-20 22:28 <diva> really?
2014-06-20 22:28 <diva> we could have avatars like call of duty?
2014-06-20 22:29 <diva> can?
2014-06-20 22:29 <lkalif> you would not believe how much care is taken when generating content for games
2014-06-20 22:29 <lkalif> every vertex is optimized out
2014-06-20 22:29 <lkalif> every pixes scrutinized 
2014-06-20 22:29 <diva> i know. but does that mean that if someone would create those highly optimized avatars they would look as good in the viewers as they look in call of duty?
2014-06-20 22:30 <smxy> That would be amazing.
2014-06-20 22:31 <lkalif> not specifically for avatars, no
2014-06-20 22:31 <diva> I was under the impression that was not the case, that the viewers were designed for the low-end laptops
2014-06-20 22:33 <lkalif> SL viewer is amazing at what it does. People often underestimate the complexity of the task
2014-06-20 22:33 <diva> that's the first thing that VR people always say about SL/opensim: crappy graphics, not to be taken seriously. I don't mind that much, but I hear that a lot
2014-06-20 22:34 <smxy> Our avatars are like cartoons compared to Call of Duty.
2014-06-20 22:34 <diva> yes
2014-06-20 22:35 <lkalif> all you need to do is have a decent windlight preset, a nice beach scene, and they get impressed ;)
2014-06-20 22:36 <diva> it would be nice to have better avatars
2014-06-20 22:36 <lkalif> yes
2014-06-20 22:37 <diva> not sure what's entailed in doing that since I know very little about graphics
2014-06-20 22:38 <smxy> I'm watching one CoD trailer and there's a character that looks so much like Kevin Spacey that it took me a moment to realize it wasn't him, but an avatar.
2014-06-20 22:38 <smxy> Thier "Reveal" trailer.
2014-06-20 22:39 <diva> wow
2014-06-20 22:39 <smxy> Good, huh? ;)
2014-06-20 22:40 <diva> did they pay Kevin Spacey for his image? wtf?
2014-06-20 22:40 <diva> that's nuts!
2014-06-20 22:40 <lkalif> it is Kevin Spacey
2014-06-20 22:40 <diva> it's his voice too
2014-06-20 22:40 <lkalif> yeah, it's him
2014-06-20 22:40 <smxy> He did voice overs, motion capture and facial capture for it.
2014-06-20 22:41 <smxy> That's one damned good recreation of him.
2014-06-20 22:42 <diva> wow
2014-06-20 22:44 <diva> so yeah, those avatars :)
2014-06-20 22:46 <diva> if SL goes under, and you all super talented viewer devs are free from playing it safe, it would be lovely to have viewers with avatars like that :)
2014-06-20 22:47 <lkalif> or write libNextGen and reverse engineer it too :P
2014-06-20 22:47 <dahlia> SL viewer graphics tech is at least 10 years behind the curve, maybe a lot more
2014-06-20 22:47 <lkalif> it's not
2014-06-20 22:47 <dahlia> lol
2014-06-20 22:47 <dahlia> it is
2014-06-20 22:47 <lkalif> it's not
2014-06-20 22:48 <diva> heheh
2014-06-20 22:48 <dahlia> it just got normal maps!!! OMG
2014-06-20 22:48 <lkalif> it's just allosed users to set normal maps, it always had them
2014-06-20 22:48 <dahlia> give me tesselation :P
2014-06-20 22:49 <lkalif> give me tesselation or give me death!
2014-06-20 22:50 <lkalif> death to ame^H^H^H GMail! :P
2014-06-20 22:50 <dahlia> give me tessellation, you can keep the death part :P
2014-06-20 22:50 <dahlia> SL viewer is srsly behind the times
2014-06-20 22:53 <ssm2017> i think that some scenes are pre rendered in video games instead that sl/opensim where build is done live (difference between blender in render and in game mode)
2014-06-20 22:57 <lkalif> pre-calculated light with light probles, sparse use of alpha
2014-06-20 22:57 <lkalif> pre-calculated shadows, all sorts of tricks
2014-06-20 23:02 <ssm2017> maybe in the next gen opensimulator viewers, there would be a button like "freeze region build" and "freeze my avatar" :)
2014-06-20 23:03 <osmantis> Bug #6099:04 float to integer works wrong 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6099 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-20 23:04 <osmantis> Bug #6099:04 llSin and llCos: float to integer works wrong 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6099 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-06-20 23:12 <danbanner> http://nwn.blogs.com/
2014-06-20 23:14 <lkalif> yeah, I sterted quite an avalanche lol
2014-06-20 23:14 <lkalif> my twitter is exploding
2014-06-20 23:14 <danbanner> lol
2014-06-20 23:14 <Trinity93> i can hear it now..."lkakif killed sl"
2014-06-20 23:15 <lkalif> lol
2014-06-20 23:24 <diva> yeah this will send ripples through the SL afficionados
2014-06-20 23:25 <AliciaRaven> lkalif, its on the blogs and google groups already, never seen news move this fast
2014-06-20 23:25 <smxy> Well, we all know latif likes to stir up shit. :)
2014-06-20 23:25 <smxy> Well done. :)
2014-06-20 23:26 <lkalif> lol
2014-06-20 23:26 <lkalif> well I told you guys here first
2014-06-20 23:26 <lkalif> so you're welcome ;)
2014-06-20 23:27 <diva> i have a feeling this new CEO made a faux pas there... he's gonna have to back pedal
2014-06-20 23:27 <Trinity93> im not sure if he can now
2014-06-20 23:27 <Trinity93> the cats out of the bag
2014-06-20 23:27 <lkalif> they are risking "osbourne effect"
2014-06-20 23:27 <smxy> He forgot the big rule: If two people know a secret and one of them isn't dead, then it is n't a secret. :)
2014-06-20 23:28 <osmantis> Bug #6099:04 llSin and llCos: float to integer works wrong 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6099 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-20 23:28 <Trinity93> i know one thing
2014-06-20 23:29 <Trinity93> he int ever gona tell you anything ever again :P
2014-06-20 23:29 <smxy> lol
2014-06-20 23:29 <Trinity93> isnt i ment
2014-06-20 23:32 <dahlia> yay a new virtual world to hac^H^H^Hreverse engineer :D
2014-06-20 23:33 <diva> it hit hypergrid business :)
2014-06-20 23:34 <lkalif> my phone has 48 new notifications
2014-06-20 23:34 <lkalif> twitter mentions
2014-06-20 23:34 <lkalif> perhaps I should plug Replex now :P
2014-06-20 23:34 <Dev_Random> ha
2014-06-20 23:34 <dahlia> enjoy your breif moment in the spotlight :)
2014-06-20 23:34 <smxy> I've been telling lots of people in SL. 
2014-06-20 23:36 <osmantis> Bug #6099:04 llSin and llCos: float to integer works wrong 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6099 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-20 23:41 <smxy> Some of the commercial grids could benefit from this.
2014-06-20 23:42 <osmantis> Bug #6099:04 llSin and llCos: float to integer works wrong 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6099 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-20 23:44 <lkalif> Lol Maria Korolov turns on the drama
2014-06-20 23:45 <smxy> As usual. :)
2014-06-20 23:45 <diva> I'm guessing she did it on purpose to get a reply from LL :)
2014-06-20 23:46 <lkalif> ;)
2014-06-20 23:46 <diva> and I can imagine the ppl in the PR depatment at LL all going nuts cursing the CEO for giving them this bomb at 4pm on a friday
2014-06-20 23:47 <lkalif> lol
2014-06-20 23:47 <lkalif> I was pretty shocked
2014-06-20 23:47 <lkalif> All I did was ask "Any chance C# project gets revived", and CEO goes, "Don't think so, you see we have this new thing..."
2014-06-20 23:48 <diva> ai ai ai, he's gonna get spanked by the board
2014-06-20 23:50 <smxy> Wonder what this does to their stock?
2014-06-20 23:50 <diva> stock?
2014-06-20 23:50 <diva> they're not publicly traded, are they?
2014-06-20 23:50 <smxy> They aren't public?
2014-06-20 23:51 <smxy> Oh, okay.
2014-06-20 23:51 <diva> i don't think so
2014-06-20 23:51 <AllenKerensky> depends on whether their private investors were paid or bailed long ago
2014-06-20 23:52 <AllenKerensky> should make OSCC pretty interesting this year lol
2014-06-20 23:52 <diva> we should invite the CEO to come give a talk
2014-06-20 23:52 <lkalif> diva: you should
2014-06-20 23:52 <lkalif> this guy is cool
2014-06-20 23:53 <AllenKerensky> i should have said interesting-er - last year was pretty great even without LL saying "we're sort of retiring"
2014-06-20 23:53 <diva> ok, noted
2014-06-20 23:53 <diva> we invited Rosedale, but he's probably going to decline. If he declines, we should move to this CEO
2014-06-20 23:54 <diva> we're going to have someone from OculusVR
2014-06-20 23:55 <lkalif> ok CEO is on the tweet box'
2014-06-20 23:56 <osmantis> Bug #6099:04 llSin and llCos: float to integer works wrong 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6099 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-21 00:05 <osmantis> Bug #6099:04 llSin and llCos: float to integer works wrong 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6099 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-21 00:54 <lkalif> Why do people think this is bad for OpenSim?
2014-06-21 00:54 <smxy> I've been wondering that myself as I read all the comments.
2014-06-21 00:55 <Trinity93> http://modemworld.wordpress.com/2014/06/21/ebbe-confirms-were-working-on-a-next-generation-platform-with-audio/
2014-06-21 01:12 <smxy> I like how at the end he basically says he doesn't want his nice new sorld filled up with crappily made stuff from SL.
2014-06-21 01:12 <smxy> world*
2014-06-21 01:31 <diva> ok, they are totally positioning themselves for a FB acquisition
2014-06-21 01:33 <diva> FB started talking about the metaverse with the Oculus acquisition, so the race is on for the platform that would make it happen
2014-06-21 01:34 <lkalif> my thoughts went in similar direction
2014-06-21 01:36 <diva> the oculus ppl -- and facebook -- have a total disdain for SL and the "crappy graphics" in it
2014-06-21 01:38 <diva> opensim and an independent/better viewer  would be an option
2014-06-21 01:47 <lkalif> So Ebbe is live answering questions on SLU
2014-06-21 01:47 <lkalif> (the LL CEO)
2014-06-21 01:47 <lkalif> "Hi all. A bit crazy here. I'll try and answer questions here. The note that Jo posted above I hope will help settle things down. Go!"
2014-06-21 01:47 <lkalif> respect
2014-06-21 01:47 <lkalif> http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/general-sl-discussion/97035-linden-lab-working-next-gen-5.html#post1963199
2014-06-21 01:47 <diva> what's SLU?
2014-06-21 01:47 <lkalif> Popular forum
2014-06-21 01:47 <lkalif> not run by LL
2014-06-21 01:48 <lkalif> Often critical of them
2014-06-21 01:48 <Melanie_T> forum rat heaven
2014-06-21 01:48 <Melanie_T> user hell
2014-06-21 01:48 <Melanie_T> opinionated, clannish, etc.
2014-06-21 01:48 <lkalif> Takes ballz for a Linden CEO to go there
2014-06-21 01:48 <Melanie_T> indeed
2014-06-21 01:48 <Melanie_T> ballZ
2014-06-21 01:48 <Melanie_T> i'd say
2014-06-21 01:54 <lkalif> I love this guy
2014-06-21 01:54 <lkalif> so they ask him about sex basically
2014-06-21 01:54 <lkalif> "I'm for freedom. I don't want to moderate or control it (beyond making sure things are legal). And we'll probably have ratings (G, M, A) or something like that so one can be "safe" if one does not want some kind of content...again, we're creating something in the spirit of SL, but just want to make it much better..."
2014-06-21 02:06 <Plugh> The last line of that is what we are doing with OpenSim. :)
2014-06-21 02:07 <Plugh> "creating something in the spirit of SL, but just want to make it much better."
2014-06-21 02:10 <Trinity93> hehe i liked qarl's question
2014-06-21 02:10 <lkalif> He'x very upset about ToS
2014-06-21 02:11 <Trinity93> oh i know
2014-06-21 02:15 <frnic> not that much activity on the forum - at least in that thread.
2014-06-21 02:15 <diva> "much better" means graphics
2014-06-21 02:16 <lkalif> probably
2014-06-21 02:16 <frnic> diva, yup, obviously graphics have to change - it is old tech.
2014-06-21 02:16 <lkalif> also support for mobile platforms
2014-06-21 02:19 <frnic> To risk the understatement of the night, or a master stroke of obvious - I expect this will have significant impact on the future of OS.
2014-06-21 02:22 <diva> I don't. I *hope* it will inspire some ppl to improve the graphics of the viewer, because the viewer they are working on is closed source
2014-06-21 02:23 <diva> my impression of this new gen platform is that it's SL but with graphics comparable to call of duty
2014-06-21 02:24 <frnic> I would be surprised if the only significant change is graphics considering the potential disruption this will cause to SL and/or LL. But, I don't know nothing - I am clueless.
2014-06-21 02:25 <diva> graphics is everything in some circles...
2014-06-21 02:25 <diva> not in the SL community, but some circles related to VR and gaming
2014-06-21 02:26 <frnic> I completely agree, and believe OS/SL needs a graphics update - I hope the 2d viewer is not ignored in the rush to 3d viewers.
2014-06-21 02:39 <dahlia> diva: much, if not all, of great gaming graphics really due to very talented professional artists and very large art budgets ($millions)
2014-06-21 02:40 <lkalif> dahlia: I was trying to explain to diva it's about content
2014-06-21 02:40 <lkalif> perhaps she'll listen to fellow gmail hater :P
2014-06-21 02:40 <dahlia> of course having something newer than opengl 2 helps a lot :P
2014-06-21 02:41 <lkalif> deferred pipeline in the viewer is quite advanced
2014-06-21 02:41 <lkalif> the ALM
2014-06-21 02:42 <dahlia> I have yet to see any feature that requires > opengl 2
2014-06-21 03:01 <lkalif> dahlia: after building the very simple renderer for SL in radegast, I have a very deep respect for the complexities of 3D programming, especially considering the diversity of hardware and software out there
2014-06-21 03:09 <diva> oh I don't dount that, lkalif. 3d graphics programming looks like a nightmare
2014-06-21 03:09 <dahlia> lkalif: go download unreal engine, play with it for a week, then come back and tell me how advances SL viewer is
2014-06-21 03:10 <nebadon> what platform are you talking about?
2014-06-21 03:11 <nebadon> graphics alone are not enough
2014-06-21 03:11 <nebadon> look at Bluemars
2014-06-21 03:11 <dahlia> SL viewer has a few nice features in it but they are far from state of the art. And the few features it has are constrained by limited content capabilities
2014-06-21 03:11 <nebadon> and then look at Minecraft
2014-06-21 03:11 <dahlia> you cant even script 3d particles
2014-06-21 03:12 <dahlia> because there is no client side scripting and no 3d particles
2014-06-21 03:12 <diva> nebadon, minecraft is not going to be acquire by facebook anytime soon :)
2014-06-21 03:12 <nebadon> so were talking about Occulus?
2014-06-21 03:13 <diva> yeah
2014-06-21 03:13 <diva> did you miss the LL announcement?
2014-06-21 03:13 <diva> they're building a new VW
2014-06-21 03:13 <nebadon> probably ya
2014-06-21 03:13 <lkalif> nebadon missed all the fun
2014-06-21 03:13 <dahlia> and you cant even make an animated mesh unless its an avatar and it uses SL skeleton. Arbitrary articulated meshes are either impossible or a major kludge
2014-06-21 03:13 <nebadon> ah
2014-06-21 03:13 <Misterblue> LL building a new VW??
2014-06-21 03:13 <lkalif> Misterblue: yep
2014-06-21 03:13 <nebadon> where was this announced?
2014-06-21 03:14 <lkalif> I tweeted it :P
2014-06-21 03:14 <diva> casually in a conversation with TPV developers this afternoon, created a tsunami
2014-06-21 03:14 <nebadon> is it on their blog or something?\
2014-06-21 03:14 <nebadon> ah
2014-06-21 03:14 <lkalif> nebadon: http://modemworld.wordpress.com/2014/06/21/ebbe-confirms-were-working-on-a-next-generation-platform-with-audio/
2014-06-21 03:14 <lkalif> http://modemworld.wordpress.com/2014/06/21/lab-were-not-giving-up-on-second-life/
2014-06-21 03:15 <nebadon> eh, not even a little exciting for me
2014-06-21 03:15 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-21 03:16 <Misterblue> could be licensing minecraft for all we know
2014-06-21 03:16 <nebadon> I think one thing people are kind of forgetting to, is how insanely difficult it is to make good content for systems like Unreal
2014-06-21 03:16 <nebadon> if you were a world class 3D content developer
2014-06-21 03:17 <nebadon> you could make SL look like Crysis
2014-06-21 03:17 <diva> can you?
2014-06-21 03:17 <nebadon> but unfortunately that accounts for like 0.01% of the SL population might be capable of that
2014-06-21 03:17 <nebadon> sure the SL engine is quite capable of doing alot better than anything we have really seen
2014-06-21 03:17 <nebadon> is it ideal, no
2014-06-21 03:18 <nebadon> but its quite capable of doing very nice stuff
2014-06-21 03:18 <nebadon> its just most people dont have powerful enough computers
2014-06-21 03:18 <nebadon> hard core gamers despise SL for the most part
2014-06-21 03:18 <nebadon> the kind of people who have the hardware needed for that kind of thing
2014-06-21 03:19 <nebadon> if your making 100k+ a year making insane models for games, your not going to spend time in SL making pennies peddling models in their crappy eco system
2014-06-21 03:19 <AllenKerensky> but the new VW from LL is supposed to be user content driven too - so unless you upload it and they work it over somehow to make it more gamepro friendly ...
2014-06-21 03:19 <nebadon> exactly
2014-06-21 03:20 <nebadon> if its user generated content that sets the bar considerably lower for things looking like top shelf video games
2014-06-21 03:20 <AllenKerensky> making a world that only appeals to Maya and 3DS gearheads isn't going far against sketchup lol
2014-06-21 03:20 <nebadon> ya look at Bluemar
2014-06-21 03:20 <nebadon> it had one of the best engines you can get
2014-06-21 03:20 <AllenKerensky> yeah I mentioned Bluer Mars earlier today
2014-06-21 03:20 <Misterblue> easy content creation is what made Minecraft take off
2014-06-21 03:20 <nebadon> and because it was so insanely difficult to generate content and get people excited it failed hard
2014-06-21 03:20 <nebadon> sooo hard
2014-06-21 03:20 <AllenKerensky> but minecrafts content is extremely locked down to ... cubes.
2014-06-21 03:21 <lkalif> minecraft is popular among lego demographics
2014-06-21 03:21 <nebadon> its popular cause its easy
2014-06-21 03:21 <AllenKerensky> if your card/driver supports quads - thats 6 quads and 8 vertices - not 1024 like SL - or whatever new UGC system they are working on
2014-06-21 03:21 <nebadon> and fun
2014-06-21 03:21 <nebadon> its the Android game model
2014-06-21 03:22 <nebadon> angry birds etc..
2014-06-21 03:22 <nebadon> flappy bird
2014-06-21 03:22 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-21 03:22 <AllenKerensky> yeah turbosquid is loaded with folks making low-poly - correct textured mobile 3D ready content
2014-06-21 03:22 <diva> at this point no one is trying to build a metaverse that will attract lots of people. I think they'r trying to buils a VW that will attract facebook, which has everyone
2014-06-21 03:23 <nebadon> ya I think thats a difficult task
2014-06-21 03:23 <AllenKerensky> and that means a way to bite into facebooks hold on 25-30% of all internet-delivered advertising
2014-06-21 03:23 <nebadon> to have a high qualith world that has minimal frustration
2014-06-21 03:23 <nebadon> facebook again is easy
2014-06-21 03:23 <nebadon> cause there is just a couple things you can do
2014-06-21 03:23 <nebadon> SL is like Rocket Science compared to facebook
2014-06-21 03:24 <nebadon> i had facebook figured out in about 8.6 minutes
2014-06-21 03:24 <nebadon> 8 years in SL
2014-06-21 03:24 <nebadon> and im still noob
2014-06-21 03:24 <diva> ok fine the viewer with shadows looks more decent
2014-06-21 03:26 <nebadon> ya viewer with Shadows and Ambient Occlusion looks nice
2014-06-21 03:26 <lkalif> shadows, AO, decent windlight preset...
2014-06-21 03:26 <nebadon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wep9WTDm9w
2014-06-21 03:26 <nebadon> if we had the ability to script windlight better
2014-06-21 03:26 <nebadon> that would be pretty amazing
2014-06-21 03:26 <AllenKerensky> yeah if any of those features were ... complete
2014-06-21 03:26 <AllenKerensky> tradeable windlight assets?
2014-06-21 03:26 <AllenKerensky> the ability to set the sun and moon textures (which ARE just assets in the llsd and xml streams) and on and on
2014-06-21 03:27 <AllenKerensky> a complete system to push down *all* of the windlight settings as a preset OR piecemeal - without each of the existing competing schemes only partially working
2014-06-21 03:27 <lkalif> land owner can set windlight
2014-06-21 03:28 <AllenKerensky> RLV can set skies but not water - nothing supports day cycles well - etc
2014-06-21 03:28 <lkalif> i don't see a point of tradable windlight assets
2014-06-21 03:28 <diva> how do you turn on windlight?
2014-06-21 03:28 <nebadon> its always on
2014-06-21 03:28 <AllenKerensky> to hand the asset to visitors who don't have the presets in their assets directory
2014-06-21 03:28 <nebadon> just make sure you have advanced lighting enabled
2014-06-21 03:28 <nebadon> in Preferences
2014-06-21 03:28 <lkalif> diva: play with quick preset on the bottom right
2014-06-21 03:28 <lkalif> http://i.imgur.com/pW5wAJG.png
2014-06-21 03:29 <lkalif> see those two "default",one for sky and on for water
2014-06-21 03:29 <lkalif> there are many many presets
2014-06-21 03:29 <AllenKerensky> changing clouds2.tga is another place windlight and SL viewer and many TPVs can't get it done
2014-06-21 03:30 <AllenKerensky> so - unless most things support it - experience is as bad to standardize as HTML browser support
2014-06-21 03:30 <AllenKerensky> LL could have fixed these over the past 4 or so years since that shader core was upgraded ... but not a priority
2014-06-21 03:32 <AllenKerensky> so we have LL's sorta WL region system, LightShare, the RLV setup, and Parcel Windlight but none of them give a region owner full control or any expectation most people will see the same view
2014-06-21 03:33 <AllenKerensky> result - its still a nice tropical day everywhere lol
2014-06-21 03:35 <AllenKerensky> long winded rant aside tradeable assets would at least let me copy stuff easier to visitors for them to use rather than put XML files and custom textures in places
2014-06-21 03:36 <AllenKerensky> in lieu of - say - complete region owner controls over the entire environment and the way to push those down to visitors automatically through the viewers consistently
2014-06-21 03:41 <lkalif> you can listen to Ebbe  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S-hoXupxXw#t=4067
2014-06-21 03:42 <AllenKerensky> any particular time mark?
2014-06-21 03:43 <lkalif> it's in the link
2014-06-21 03:43 <lkalif> 1:07:47
2014-06-21 03:44 <AllenKerensky> hmm didn't jump there for me - oh well - ah thanks
2014-06-21 03:44 <lkalif> #t=4067 should've gotten you there
2014-06-21 03:52 <Misterblue> there have been so many VWs tried... wonder what they think they have that will make whatever they build work
2014-06-21 03:53 <lkalif> they do run the most successful one 
2014-06-21 03:53 <diva> Misterblue, my reading of this is "oh look, facebook is dropping billions on VR; we've been doing VR for years! Let's just get rid of the cartoons, to see if facebook wants to buy us"
2014-06-21 03:54 <diva> they have to rebrand SL, because SL, as a brand, has no value in those circles
2014-06-21 03:54 <Misterblue> there are many billions being thrown around
2014-06-21 03:55 <lkalif> insanity
2014-06-21 03:55 <lkalif> complete insanity, 17 bil for whats app
2014-06-21 03:55 <Misterblue> that scenario would mean a new UI (with some new features) that also could use the existing content/world
2014-06-21 03:56 <diva> I'm not sure they need to preserve the content
2014-06-21 03:56 <lkalif> they said they won't
2014-06-21 03:56 <diva> facebook might not care a bit about user-generated content
2014-06-21 03:56 <Misterblue> ya... and Google over paying for Nest... there has gotta be some blackmail or something going on
2014-06-21 03:57 <lkalif> you could buy all the hollywood studios for 17 bil
2014-06-21 03:57 <lkalif> with money to spare
2014-06-21 03:57 <lkalif> for one app
2014-06-21 04:00 <Misterblue> I don't know what FB might want... virtual worlds have a lot of Believers and with the 3D goggles happening, VWs are hot again
2014-06-21 04:00 <Misterblue> what is this, the forth time? or is it only three...
2014-06-21 04:00 <diva> they want better graphics that's for sure
2014-06-21 04:02 <Misterblue> better graphics usually means better content... these days games get good looks through people writing shaders and treaking lighting and textures
2014-06-21 04:03 <Misterblue> it's easier these days with all the GPU power, but you don't just throw some textured boxes in a scene and have 'good graphics'
2014-06-21 04:03 <Misterblue> 
ACTION is repeating Nebadon

2014-06-21 04:03 <nebadon> as cool as occulus is, If you honestly think people from facebook will use it your nuts
2014-06-21 04:03 <nebadon> good luck getting people to strap an uncomfortable chunk of plastic to their faces
2014-06-21 04:04 <nebadon> this sounds wierd, but masses of people are not going to strap things over their hair for long periods of time
2014-06-21 04:04 <Misterblue> people texting on their phones bump into things, wait til you see people wearing their Occulus walking around :):)
2014-06-21 04:04 <nebadon> i personally cant even wear headphones anymore
2014-06-21 04:04 <nebadon> Occulus has a place in the metaverse, but the masses won't be involved
2014-06-21 04:04 <AllenKerensky> yeah - this is where cast AR or google glass win compared to putting your face in a periscope and you can't even see where the cat is sitting before you step on it
2014-06-21 04:04 <lkalif> Misterblue: lol!
2014-06-21 04:05 <nebadon> at best occulus fills a niche roll for industry and hard core gamers
2014-06-21 04:05 <AllenKerensky> however - Occulus in a lounger ... would work
2014-06-21 04:05 <AllenKerensky> this video Ebbe talks about how migration to Next Platform may be possible - but they don't know its so early
2014-06-21 04:07 <nebadon> have you tried an occulus?
2014-06-21 04:07 <Misterblue> LL should know how hard it is to build a VW... distributed server management, databases, communication balancing, throttling, graphics, griefers....
2014-06-21 04:07 <AllenKerensky> rofl lkalif nice point on how opensource helped SL make it past some bad bumps
2014-06-21 04:07 <nebadon> i think its a great experience, apart from the giant peice of plastic strapped to your head
2014-06-21 04:07 <Misterblue> it's not something a company does with 10 people and have it appear fully formed
2014-06-21 04:07 <nebadon> its fun for a few hours, then it starts to be come very uncomfortable
2014-06-21 04:07 <AllenKerensky> and no, I haven't run one, but the "cut off from the world" is the same as some of the 90's VR systems
2014-06-21 04:08 <nebadon> ya well you cant do immersive vr without being cut off
2014-06-21 04:08 <nebadon> heh
2014-06-21 04:08 <nebadon> thats the whole point really
2014-06-21 04:09 <nebadon> having it both ways leads to 2 1/2 assed experiences
2014-06-21 04:09 <nebadon> the only way occulus rift will be on everyones faces
2014-06-21 04:09 <lkalif> I have oculus rift, it's pretyy awesome
2014-06-21 04:09 <nebadon> is they can shrink it down to the size of a pair of sun glasses
2014-06-21 04:10 <lkalif> but I only have v1 dev kit
2014-06-21 04:10 <diva> i <3 the oculus
2014-06-21 04:10 <AllenKerensky> yeah ultimately we need that VR suit or direct neural interface
2014-06-21 04:10 <nebadon> we would need pixel densities like 10 times what they are now to get that
2014-06-21 04:10 <diva> all that's missing is the input now, from, at least, the hands/arms
2014-06-21 04:10 <AllenKerensky> until then a range of solutions like Occulus, Cast AR, hacked google glasses, etc will let you at list switch
2014-06-21 04:10 <lkalif> they are asking Ebbe about graphics engine, some known one, or homebrew, he said "secret", damn ;)
2014-06-21 04:12 <nebadon> ask him if its windows only or cross platform
2014-06-21 04:12 <nebadon> heh
2014-06-21 04:12 <nebadon> that narrows it down considerably
2014-06-21 04:12 <lkalif> he said more platforms than today
2014-06-21 04:12 <lkalif> so mac, linux, windows + mobile devices
2014-06-21 04:12 <nebadon> huh that is interesting statement
2014-06-21 04:12 <nebadon> ya
2014-06-21 04:12 <nebadon> that makes modeling even 10 times more diffucult
2014-06-21 04:13 <lkalif> yeah
2014-06-21 04:13 <lkalif> and having user-generated content
2014-06-21 04:13 <nebadon> hate to be a negative nancy, but that sounds like a tall order to me
2014-06-21 04:13 <lkalif> it is
2014-06-21 04:13 <nebadon> user generated world that works on mobile
2014-06-21 04:14 <nebadon> that would be like having SL in 1994
2014-06-21 04:14 <lkalif> 
ACTION turns his phone back on

2014-06-21 04:14 <lkalif> 78 notifications lol
2014-06-21 04:14 <AllenKerensky> easy - texture upload is 10-100times more expensive tthan SL, and prim weights are scaled the same - so - the more poly's the more you pay to upload lol
2014-06-21 04:14 <Misterblue> my Samsung Note II gets real hot running Lumiya in 3D view mode
2014-06-21 04:15 <nebadon> ya same here
2014-06-21 04:15 <nebadon> it works a little better on my Galaxy Note 8
2014-06-21 04:15 <nebadon> but my galaxy note II it kind of not so great
2014-06-21 04:15 <nebadon> crashes a lot
2014-06-21 04:16 <lkalif> put cyonegen mod on it
2014-06-21 04:16 <diva> I just don't see mobile in the path of any VR experience -- not as mobile is now. It doesn't make any sense. The whole point of VR is immersion, You can't possibly be immersed in a 4in screen
2014-06-21 04:16 <lkalif> or however is that spelled :P
2014-06-21 04:17 <AllenKerensky> yes but really - the platform should support the immersive as well as degraded modes all the way down to the extremely necessary mobile access
2014-06-21 04:17 <nebadon> ya the fact that they mention mobile, the tiny little bit of excitment I had is now completely gone
2014-06-21 04:17 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-21 04:17 <diva> facebook missed mobile already; they're targetting immersion now
2014-06-21 04:18 <nebadon> it will be very hard to replicate the success of SL I think
2014-06-21 04:18 <AllenKerensky> well if my kids are any indication - the mobile is where the most activity and purchasing will happen lol
2014-06-21 04:19 <AllenKerensky> but yeah mobile makes more sense for augmented reality than replacement, er, virtual reality
2014-06-21 04:19 <Misterblue> in Snow Crash, people would sit down in a dark room, alone and enter the world
2014-06-21 04:20 <lkalif> as it should be done ;)
2014-06-21 04:20 <AllenKerensky> but how many times have you wanted to just pop in to message a friend or see / demo just one thing on a tablet or phone
2014-06-21 04:20 <diva> mobile is dead, from an innovation perspective. There's nothing else to do there. It's a dead market. It won't go away, but no one will make large amounts of money on mobile innovations.
2014-06-21 04:20 <AllenKerensky> you didn't need the full experience - just a piece of it for a specific rare/one off task
2014-06-21 04:20 <nebadon> I dont think mobile is dead
2014-06-21 04:21 <nebadon> but the mobile experience as it stands right now
2014-06-21 04:21 <nebadon> is about the same as the PC experience was in 1994-1998'ish time  range
2014-06-21 04:22 <nebadon> and whats worse
2014-06-21 04:22 <nebadon> my Galaxy Note 8, when i am running full screen heavy 3D graphics
2014-06-21 04:22 <nebadon> if i get 1 hour out of my battery I am lucky
2014-06-21 04:22 <diva> the only exciting thing about mobile would be to make a very powerful small/pocket computer with the capability to display high-end graphics on a retina display
2014-06-21 04:23 <nebadon> so basically unless i sit strapped to a power outlet and don't move, totally negating the entire point of mobile
2014-06-21 04:23 <nebadon> the most I can do is about 1 hour of 3D exploring 
2014-06-21 04:24 <AllenKerensky> so the interfaces could be designed to provide various "service levels" or features/groups of functions, by the access method
2014-06-21 04:24 <AllenKerensky> android does this with device profiles already - phones get one set of UI constraints, tablets another
2014-06-21 04:24 <nebadon> if anything mobile should be enhancing the virtual world on desktops
2014-06-21 04:24 <AllenKerensky> maybe there's some help there on sorting it
2014-06-21 04:24 <nebadon> like i should be able to use my phone as an interface on my pc
2014-06-21 04:24 <nebadon> to control various aspects of my in world experince
2014-06-21 04:24 <nebadon> this is what LL should be doing 
2014-06-21 04:24 <AllenKerensky> not as your daily driver, but in a pinch
2014-06-21 04:24 <nebadon> stuff like that
2014-06-21 04:25 <diva> glorified remote control?
2014-06-21 04:25 <nebadon> yes
2014-06-21 04:25 <diva> heheh
2014-06-21 04:25 <nebadon> thats what i use my tablet for mostly
2014-06-21 04:25 <AllenKerensky> sure - I've used a mobile for SSH, VNC, RDP, etc
2014-06-21 04:25 <Misterblue> fudge... something was broken... I have four varregions on one standalone simulator... when I try to fly from one to the adjacent one I get the message "destination is a variable-sized region and the source is an old simulator"  "
2014-06-21 04:25 <nebadon> its a glorified remote control
2014-06-21 04:25 <diva> years and years of R&D to make a better remote control! :)
2014-06-21 04:26 <AllenKerensky> i think of them as various types of terminals
2014-06-21 04:26 <diva> MisterBlue check the configs
2014-06-21 04:26 <diva> you may have old configurations
2014-06-21 04:26 <AllenKerensky> some do text, some do 2D well, some do full 3D
2014-06-21 04:26 <AllenKerensky> and with movile, you have GLES compared to full GL
2014-06-21 04:26 <AllenKerensky> profiles by capability
2014-06-21 04:26 <Misterblue> these configs worked last week... four 1024x1024 adjacent regions
2014-06-21 04:27 <Misterblue> oh... something changed in OpenSim.ini?
2014-06-21 04:27 <nebadon> ya there was some fixes to prevent teleports
2014-06-21 04:27 <nebadon> from 0.7.9 to 0.8 var regions
2014-06-21 04:27 <nebadon> it was causing viewer crashes
2014-06-21 04:27 <diva> that message is usually because some config still has SIMULATION/0.2 
2014-06-21 04:27 <lkalif> protocol version bumpt to 0.3, was it?
2014-06-21 04:27 <diva> as opposed to SIMULATION/0.3
2014-06-21 04:27 <Misterblue> it's odd because it's four regions on the same simulator so version mismatch shouldn't happen
2014-06-21 04:28 <diva> MisterBlue, not in OpenSim.ini, but in OpenSimDefaults.ini and in Grid.ini
2014-06-21 04:28 <Misterblue> k... let me check that
2014-06-21 04:31 <Misterblue> updating to the latest OpenSim.ini and OpenSimDefaults.ini fixed the problem!! thanks Diva
2014-06-21 04:31 <diva> np
2014-06-21 04:32 <nebadon> Misterblue you get router flashed with Merlin?
2014-06-21 04:33 <Misterblue> yes... that was the fix
2014-06-21 04:33 <nebadon> how you like it?
2014-06-21 04:34 <nebadon> guess its not a whole lot different than stock rom in terms of UI experience
2014-06-21 04:35 <Misterblue> the web interface is pretty much the same... they didn't mess with that much
2014-06-21 04:35 <nebadon> ya
2014-06-21 04:35 <nebadon> its a great router
2014-06-21 04:35 <nebadon> I dont think there is much better on the market right now
2014-06-21 04:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #3656 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-21 04:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3656: SUCCESS in 8 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3656/
2014-06-21 04:51 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: add some locking for collision lists to prevent collsions
2014-06-21 12:57 <osmantis> Bug #6814:04 Terrain and building is not moving always smooth when you walk or fly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6814 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-21 13:10 <osmantis> Bug #7228:04 Var terrain loading (still) terrible slow. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7228 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-21 13:55 <osmantis> Bug #7228:04 Var terrain loading (still) terrible slow. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7228 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-21 14:00 <osmantis> Bug #6983:04 Private Vivox voice calls no longer work with opensim and Singularity since about 076 opensim release 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6983 ): has been CLOSED
2014-06-21 14:05 <osmantis> Bug #7228:04 Var terrain loading (still) terrible slow. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7228 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-21 14:14 <osmantis> Bug #7229:04 Teleport from Var to normal sim, both with latest dev master and Viewer locks up about 10-15 secs after TP completes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7229 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-21 14:17 <osmantis> Bug #7228:04 Var terrain loading (still) terrible slow. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7228 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-21 14:17 <osmantis> Bug #7228:04 Var terrain loading (still) terrible slow. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7228 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-06-21 14:19 <osmantis> Bug #7229:04 Teleport from Var to normal sim, both with latest dev master and Viewer locks up about 10-15 secs after TP completes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7229 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-06-21 14:20 <osmantis> Bug #7229:04 Teleport from Var to normal sim, both with latest dev master and Viewer locks up about 10-15 secs after TP completes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7229 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-21 14:20 <osmantis> Bug #7229:04 Teleport from Var to normal sim, both with latest dev master and Viewer locks up about 10-15 secs after TP completes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7229 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-06-21 14:20 <osmantis> Bug #7229:04 Teleport from Var to normal sim, both with latest dev master and Viewer locks up about 10-15 secs after TP completes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7229 ): is now in status NEW (again)
2014-06-21 14:23 <osmantis> Bug #7229:04 Teleport from Var to normal sim, both with latest dev master and Viewer locks up about 10-15 secs after TP completes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7229 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-21 14:26 <osmantis> Bug #7212:04 Sim crash caused by hypergrid inventory duplicate key 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7212 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-06-21 14:36 <osmantis> Bug #7228:04 Var terrain loading (still) terrible slow. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7228 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-21 14:37 <frnic> Is the terrain ever downloaded to the client after the first time? And if so, why? Would it be possible to cache the terrain on the client and only download it in case of changes?
2014-06-21 14:49 <Misterblue> the default is to download the whole region's terrain when you log into the region
2014-06-21 14:49 <Misterblue> if you turn on the partial terrain loading feature, only the terrain within the avatar's view distance is downloaded and addition terrain is sent to the client as  the avatar moves
2014-06-21 14:54 <vegaslon> aurora-sim has a max of 10 terrain patches being sent at a time while we have less, what was the thought there?
2014-06-21 15:04 <diva> the viewer gets a bit confused on TPs via the map in varrerions. If I click on the map in the area outside 256, and then I TP, it works fine. But if I click, then change e.g. the Z coordinate, the viewer TPs me to the corresponding SW area. I'm pretty sure this is a viewer bug
2014-06-21 15:04 <Melanie_T> yes. the viewer contrains it
2014-06-21 15:04 <Melanie_T> it's a bother even tping within the region
2014-06-21 15:04 <diva> but it's only if I change the coordinates
2014-06-21 15:05 <Melanie_T> the way the coordinates don't work unless you "search" the sim you're in first
2014-06-21 15:05 <diva> if I don't touch them it works fine
2014-06-21 15:05 <Melanie_T> etc.
2014-06-21 15:05 <Melanie_T> Misterblue: did you miss my pvt?
2014-06-21 15:10 <diva> what's the singularity channel here?
2014-06-21 15:10 <Melanie_T> #singularityviewer
2014-06-21 15:19 <lkalif> this might be side effect of opensim map implementation of varregions
2014-06-21 15:19 <diva> what should we be doing instead?
2014-06-21 15:20 <diva> I know we'er sending all the map blocks as if they were independent regions
2014-06-21 15:20 <diva> I did that recently, as they were missing from the map
2014-06-21 15:20 <Melanie_T> well, afaik, the map navigator doesn't understand varregions natively
2014-06-21 15:20 <lkalif> what is map navigator?
2014-06-21 15:22 <lkalif> diva: I don't know, I haven't looked at the issue to see what the viewer is sending
2014-06-21 15:22 <Melanie_T> the window where you navigate the map. i don't remember the class name so i used a descriptive term
2014-06-21 15:23 <Melanie_T> the "main map", i think it's called by most but the words were just not coming when i wrote that
2014-06-21 15:23 <lkalif> ah that, I think it's called the world map
2014-06-21 15:24 <Melanie_T> aah yes, that was the one
2014-06-21 15:24 <diva> it must be very close to understanding, because a simple click without changing anything works
2014-06-21 15:24 <Melanie_T> anyway, as far as i remember the code from when i was in there years ago, it only deal with 256m bits
2014-06-21 15:24 <Melanie_T> diva: not really.
2014-06-21 15:24 <diva> but changing the coordinates breaks it
2014-06-21 15:24 <Melanie_T> the numbers are combined with the _name_ shown above
2014-06-21 15:25 <Melanie_T> to construct a tp destination
2014-06-21 15:25 <diva> it does work
2014-06-21 15:25 <lkalif> when we ported varregion support, map support was included
2014-06-21 15:25 <Melanie_T> the click uses the ID of the clicked square
2014-06-21 15:25 <diva> that's why I'm saying it must be very close to understanding
2014-06-21 15:25 <diva> you click on a point, and the coordinates shown are wrong, but the TP takes you to the right place
2014-06-21 15:26 <Melanie_T> i'm sure the fix is only a few lines, yes
2014-06-21 15:26 <Melanie_T> it's close to working
2014-06-21 15:26 <lkalif> but in the original aurora varregion only one map tile is sent
2014-06-21 15:26 <lkalif> and the region size
2014-06-21 15:26 <lkalif> 'so the viewer can know
2014-06-21 15:26 <Melanie_T> so is that tile larger, then, or is it scaled up?
2014-06-21 15:27 <lkalif> not sure how it would work when the viewer gets mutiple tiles
2014-06-21 15:27 <lkalif> scaled up iirc
2014-06-21 15:27 <diva> ok, so maybe our map bloacks module is doing the wrong thing. Let me look again
2014-06-21 15:27 <Melanie_T> scaling doesn't sound like a good way to do it
2014-06-21 15:27 <Melanie_T> it means larger regions would appera blurry
2014-06-21 15:28 <diva> before I touched it, it was sending only one block, but then if you clicked on any point beyond 256 it would stay blue, meaning that it didn't find any land there
2014-06-21 15:28 <diva> then I made it send all the blocks
2014-06-21 15:28 <Melanie_T> we should look at the aurora map protocol
2014-06-21 15:28 <diva> and that fixed the blue circle problem
2014-06-21 15:29 <lkalif> diva: LiruCookies would know best about the map part
2014-06-21 15:31 <LiruCookies> Mew?
2014-06-21 15:31 <lkalif> either way there seems to be a bug that makes world map varregion support incomplete
2014-06-21 15:31 <diva> hi LiruCookies, I'm trying to catch a bug with TP via the map in varregions
2014-06-21 15:32 <LiruCookies> Explain?
2014-06-21 15:32 <diva> if you click on a point beyond 256, and do a straight TP, it works fine. But if you click, then change e.g. the Z coorindate, it sends you to the corresponding coordinate in the SW area
2014-06-21 15:33 <diva> when you click on the map beyond 256, the coordinates shown are wrong. But if you don't touch them it works
2014-06-21 15:33 <diva> but if you toch them it stops working
2014-06-21 15:33 <lkalif> this is with opensim version of the map where map server sends multiple 256 tiles
2014-06-21 15:33 <diva> yes
2014-06-21 15:34 <lkalif> if the server sends one tile and the correct region size like aurora does, clickin beyond 256 shows blue circle as if there wass no region there
2014-06-21 15:34 <diva> yes, at least that was what opensim was doing. let me check exactly how it was
2014-06-21 15:35 <lkalif> I would persnaly prefer if opensim sent 1 region and we fixed clicking on the region
2014-06-21 15:35 <lkalif> Rather than it shows 16 regions in map search
2014-06-21 15:35 <diva> ok
2014-06-21 15:35 <lkalif> and 16 tiles for a 4 x 4
2014-06-21 15:36 <diva> let me experiment with how it was. Maybe what was missing was the correct size...
2014-06-21 15:36 <lkalif> but as I said LiruCookies did that part
2014-06-21 15:36 <LiruCookies> Tell me
2014-06-21 15:36 <LiruCookies> When you change the z, does the x or y change?
2014-06-21 15:36 <diva> ok, yeah, maybe it was missing the correct size
2014-06-21 15:37 <diva> 1 sec, let me put it back and fix it
2014-06-21 15:47 <diva> hmm, it still doesn't work
2014-06-21 15:47 <lkalif> blue circle?
2014-06-21 15:48 <lkalif> I think I have seen that in Aurora version
2014-06-21 15:48 <lkalif> diva: what if you click lower left corner first and then anywhere else on the region?
2014-06-21 15:48 <diva> I have to make another test for that -- I need to add another region. But in this varregion I still the coordinates on the map wrong
2014-06-21 15:48 <diva> yes, lkalifa, tha's exazctly how it worked
2014-06-21 15:50 <lkalif> wouldn't be more desireable to fix that?
2014-06-21 15:50 <diva> if you would click on the lower left, then from then on, the clicks beyonf 256 would work
2014-06-21 15:50 <diva> let me test it again
2014-06-21 15:50 <lkalif> yeah I seem to recall that from Aurora
2014-06-21 15:53 <vegaslon> does mostly work if you put in the z you want and then click where you want to go
2014-06-21 15:54 <diva> ok so if if send only 1 tile with the correct size, now there's not more blue circle, but the coordinates are still wrong, so the TP does the wrong thing -- again only if I touch the coords
2014-06-21 15:54 <diva> I think I'll put this, because it makes more send to send only one map clock
2014-06-21 15:55 <diva> sense
2014-06-21 15:55 <diva> but the end result seems to be the same
2014-06-21 15:55 <diva> so there's abutlet somewhere
2014-06-21 15:55 <diva> fat fingers
2014-06-21 15:55 <diva> buglet
2014-06-21 15:57 <diva> hmm
2014-06-21 15:57 <diva> I'm seeing another place where multiple map blocks are being sent instead of just one. I didn't do this 
2014-06-21 15:58 <diva> maybe this is the problem
2014-06-21 15:58 <diva> there's a comment there though
2014-06-21 15:58 <diva> let me see who wrote this
2014-06-21 16:00 <diva> it was MisterBlue
2014-06-21 16:00 <diva> here's the comment: "The map system only does legacy sized regions so we have to fake map entries for all the covered regions."
2014-06-21 16:00 <diva> is this true?
2014-06-21 16:01 <diva> let mw see what happens if I don't send thse blocks
2014-06-21 16:02 <nebadon> yes
2014-06-21 16:03 <nebadon> var regions get cut up into 256m tiles on the map
2014-06-21 16:03 <nebadon> and for things like the webmap ie http://map.osgrid.org you only see the first 256m of a varregion
2014-06-21 16:03 <nebadon> because the sub 256m squares dont actually have entries in the regions table
2014-06-21 16:03 <diva> ouch, bad
2014-06-21 16:04 <diva> so not sending these blocks lkalf results in the blue circle
2014-06-21 16:04 <diva> lkalif
2014-06-21 16:05 <diva> and the map never recovers even if I touch the SW area
2014-06-21 16:11 <lkalif> I see
2014-06-21 16:11 <lkalif> so it's evil both ways
2014-06-21 16:12 <diva> yeah, it looks like MisterBlue's comment is correct, that the map doesn't understand varregions
2014-06-21 16:12 <lkalif> fully
2014-06-21 16:12 <diva> yeah
2014-06-21 16:15 <diva> ok so I leave it as it is now until we figure this out
2014-06-21 16:27 <djphil> ping nebadon : Hi, can i take 3 minutes of your time (IM) ?
2014-06-21 16:27 <LiruCookies> diva: Aurora had regions that could be less than 256, apparently it's also related to the map that opensim does not.
2014-06-21 16:28 <nebadon> whats up djphil?
2014-06-21 16:28 <diva> is that the root cause of this bug?
2014-06-21 16:28 <djphil> can i PM you please ?
2014-06-21 16:28 <nebadon> sure
2014-06-21 16:28 <LiruCookies> diva: I've no idea.
2014-06-21 16:28 <djphil> ty :)
2014-06-21 16:28 <LiruCookies> diva: I know nothing of your codebase, really...
2014-06-21 16:28 <nebadon> i never understood why anyone would want less than 256m
2014-06-21 16:28 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-21 16:28 <nebadon> what a waste of time
2014-06-21 16:29 <diva> LiruCookies, but this seems to be a viewer-side problem, at least partially
2014-06-21 16:30 <diva> cos if opensim sends just one map block with the larger size, the viewer doesn't activate the corresponding larger area
2014-06-21 16:32 <LiruCookies> nebadon: Smaller area, like a parcel, but a single region
2014-06-21 16:33 <LiruCookies> Like a welcome region
2014-06-21 16:33 <LiruCookies> You don't really want it to be terribly large, just straight to the point.
2014-06-21 16:42 <diva> so what should I read to get up to speed on making patches to singularity? What stack of tools do I need on Windows?
2014-06-21 16:44 <nebadon> I think that depends a lot on your environment diva
2014-06-21 16:44 <diva> how so? is there anything web page that has instructions for this?
2014-06-21 16:45 <diva> oh cool it's in gitbuh, I have it forked already
2014-06-21 16:46 <lkalif> what os?
2014-06-21 16:46 <diva> windows 7. but I use cygwin a lot
2014-06-21 16:47 <lkalif> you need python 2.7, cmake (both native windows, not cygwin)
2014-06-21 16:47 <lkalif> visual studio 2010
2014-06-21 16:47 <lkalif> (express is fine)
2014-06-21 16:48 <lkalif> http://www.singularityviewer.org/kb/build-windows
2014-06-21 16:48 <lkalif> you can build replex the same way. just a different git url 
2014-06-21 16:48 <diva> k, let me give it a try. thanks
2014-06-21 16:50 <diva> do I need Direct SDK?
2014-06-21 16:50 <diva> FMOD Ex?
2014-06-21 16:51 <lkalif> you need everything listed there
2014-06-21 16:51 <lkalif> you can use cygwin git
2014-06-21 16:51 <lkalif> instead of the one listed
2014-06-21 17:08 <diva> my installation of visual studios express doesnt come with a command prompt program...
2014-06-21 17:09 <lkalif> did you install c00 version of it?
2014-06-21 17:09 <diva> oh maybe not
2014-06-21 17:10 <lkalif> erm c++
2014-06-21 17:10 <diva> ok, let me get c++
2014-06-21 17:10 <lkalif> also I usec cygwin prompt for everything
2014-06-21 17:11 <lkalif> it's just important to invoke windows version of python
2014-06-21 17:12 <lkalif> like  /cygdrive/c/Python26/python develop.py --unattended -t Release -G VC100 configure -DPACKAGE:BOOL=ON -DLL_TESTS:BOOL=OFF -DFMODEX:BOOL=ON '-DVIEWER_CHANNEL:STRING=Replex Alpha'
2014-06-21 17:14 <diva> oh cool, I'm glad cygwin can be used. I have the windows command prompt
2014-06-21 17:15 <diva> hate
2014-06-21 17:15 <Misterblue> 
ACTION has been out in the yard tending the tomatoes and squash

2014-06-21 17:15 <Misterblue> diva: a bug was found in the viewer where region size is kept in statics... once the viewer sets a region size it doesn't change gracefully
2014-06-21 17:16 <Melanie_T> Misterblue: ping
2014-06-21 17:17 <diva> how do I change the USERPROFILE var? Cos that's not when I placed the code
2014-06-21 17:18 <Misterblue> the map/varregion code could easily not have all corners covered... it is hard to make both the simulator and viewer happy
2014-06-21 17:18 <lkalif> diva: you don't need that userprofile bit
2014-06-21 17:18 <diva> ok
2014-06-21 17:18 <lkalif> diva: jut pick some dir where to put the source
2014-06-21 17:18 <diva> so cai I use cygwin from then on as long as the paths to things are ok?
2014-06-21 17:18 <lkalif> yep
2014-06-21 17:19 <lkalif> just invoke windows native python when running develop.py
2014-06-21 17:19 <nebadon> i never understood why C# VS doesnt come with command prompt
2014-06-21 17:19 <nebadon> i always had to install C++ to get it
2014-06-21 17:22 <diva> what does this error mean?
2014-06-21 17:22 <diva> CMake Error at C:/Program Files (x86)/CMake 2.8/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/CMakeTestCCompiler.cmake:52 (MESSAGE):
2014-06-21 17:22 <diva>   The C compiler "cl" is not able to compile a simple test program.
2014-06-21 17:23 <lkalif> hmm, that actually might be cygwin thing
2014-06-21 17:23 <lkalif> about TEMP and temp
2014-06-21 17:23 <lkalif> diva: try doing the same thing from the vs command prompt
2014-06-21 17:23 <diva> k
2014-06-21 17:24 <lkalif> I forget that I modify /etc/profile in cygwin to remove their tinkering with TEMP and TMP
2014-06-21 17:25 <lkalif> On windows, environment vars are case insensitive, but case preserving, which confuses the hell out of cygwin ported unix apps
2014-06-21 17:25 <diva> hmm I get the same error
2014-06-21 17:25 <diva> CMake Error at C:/Program Files (x86)/CMake 2.8/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/CMakeTes
2014-06-21 17:25 <diva> tCCompiler.cmake:52 (MESSAGE):
2014-06-21 17:25 <diva>   The C compiler "C:/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft Visual Studio
2014-06-21 17:25 <diva>   10.0/VC/bin/cl.exe" is not able to compile a simple test program.
2014-06-21 17:26 <diva> hmm I wonder if it has something to do with the Windows SDK
2014-06-21 17:27 <diva> When I installed it it didn't install, so I assumed I already had it installed
2014-06-21 17:28 <diva> I can try again, I hope it doesn't screw up my opensim dev environment...
2014-06-21 17:30 <lkalif> diva: do you have admin rights on the account that you run this?
2014-06-21 17:30 <diva> yes
2014-06-21 17:30 <lkalif> without UAC prompts?
2014-06-21 17:30 <diva> yes
2014-06-21 17:30 <lkalif> http://stackoverflow.com/a/15523149/238596
2014-06-21 17:31 <diva> oh
2014-06-21 17:31 <lkalif> I never had to do this myself, dunno
2014-06-21 17:35 <diva> hmm, so the Windows SDK installation fails with not much information
2014-06-21 17:35 <diva> (that also failed, lkalif)
2014-06-21 17:36 <lkalif> it does create a log of what exactly the compiler said when it fails
2014-06-21 17:36 <nebadon> windows 7 or 8 diva?
2014-06-21 17:36 <diva> 7
2014-06-21 17:36 <lkalif> 7
2014-06-21 17:37 <nebadon> is it return code 5100?
2014-06-21 17:38 <nebadon> Solution: Uninstall any existing Visual C++ 2010 redistributable.
2014-06-21 17:38 <nebadon> might help, dunno
2014-06-21 17:38 <diva> yes it's 5100
2014-06-21 17:38 <nebadon> ok
2014-06-21 17:39 <lkalif> that might help with windows sdk install too
2014-06-21 17:39 <nebadon> then uninstalling the C++ redistrubutables should fix that
2014-06-21 17:39 <nebadon> oh thats what I was talking about
2014-06-21 17:39 <nebadon> the SDK
2014-06-21 17:39 <diva> so just unisnatll VC++?
2014-06-21 17:39 <nebadon> no
2014-06-21 17:39 <nebadon> oh well yes 
2014-06-21 17:39 <nebadon> the redistributable though
2014-06-21 17:39 <lkalif> go into "programs and features"
2014-06-21 17:39 <nebadon> is just the runtime i think
2014-06-21 17:40 <nebadon> i dont think its the GUI part
2014-06-21 17:40 <nebadon> some other app probably installed it
2014-06-21 17:40 <diva> I'm in programs and features
2014-06-21 17:40 <nebadon> alot of apps require this be installed
2014-06-21 17:40 <diva> what should I look for?
2014-06-21 17:40 <nebadon> Visual C++ 2010 redistributable
2014-06-21 17:40 <lkalif> searcg for redist
2014-06-21 17:40 <nebadon> or whatever year
2014-06-21 17:40 <lkalif> you'll find c++ 2010 x86 redist
2014-06-21 17:41 <lkalif> uninstall them both
2014-06-21 17:41 <diva> yes. lots of them actually!
2014-06-21 17:41 <lkalif> then installs windwos sdk
2014-06-21 17:41 <diva> I see like 7 things called Microsoft C++ ... redistributable
2014-06-21 17:41 <lkalif> 2010?
2014-06-21 17:41 <lkalif> you need only kill 2010
2014-06-21 17:42 <diva> yes that too -- 2 of them, x64 and x32
2014-06-21 17:42 <lkalif> uninstall those, install windows sdk
2014-06-21 17:42 <diva> k
2014-06-21 17:44 <lkalif> you can reinstall them after from http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=5555 and http://www.microsoft.com/en-in/download/details.aspx?id=14632
2014-06-21 17:45 <diva> ok, it is way past the error I got before
2014-06-21 17:45 <lkalif> perhaps run windows update manually after that... if you have enabled updates from microsoft it will bring in service packs and stuff for visual studio too
2014-06-21 17:46 <diva> ok it installed, let me run the build again
2014-06-21 17:47 <diva> nope same error
2014-06-21 17:47 <lkalif> you needed windows sdk anyway
2014-06-21 17:50 <lkalif> try enabling microsoft updates in windows update control panel pane
2014-06-21 17:50 <lkalif> and doing "check for updates"
2014-06-21 17:50 <diva> k
2014-06-21 17:50 <lkalif> there might be a service pack of visual studio that addresses this
2014-06-21 17:51 <lkalif> i vaguely remember something about it
2014-06-21 17:52 <lkalif> also viewer development is hard ;)
2014-06-21 17:53 <diva> there is a service pack for VS 2010 indeed
2014-06-21 17:54 <nebadon> ya always good to do windows updates after all those installs
2014-06-21 17:54 <nebadon> probably lots of security fixes as well
2014-06-21 17:54 <diva> my thoughts, lkalif. This seems very complicated. 
2014-06-21 17:54 <nebadon> heh
2014-06-21 17:54 <nebadon> down the rabbit hole! say hi to the mad hatter for me diva :P
2014-06-21 17:54 <lkalif> diva: wait until you have to wait half an hour to compile ;)
2014-06-21 17:54 <diva> oh geez
2014-06-21 17:54 <lkalif> if you're lucky 
2014-06-21 17:55 <nebadon> she does have a fast machine
2014-06-21 17:55 <lkalif> I have i7 overclocked to 4.3 ghz, with 32 gb ram
2014-06-21 17:56 <lkalif> still takes 15-20 min
2014-06-21 17:56 <diva> my machine has 12 cores, if I remember correctly
2014-06-21 17:56 <lkalif> that will help for sure
2014-06-21 17:56 <diva> compilers ought to do some things in parallel these days...
2014-06-21 17:56 <lkalif> they do
2014-06-21 17:56 <lkalif> number of cores scales lineary with compile time
2014-06-21 17:56 <lkalif> erm, the other way round :P
2014-06-21 17:57 <diva> sigh
2014-06-21 17:58 <diva> the update fails
2014-06-21 17:58 <lkalif> reboot, try again
2014-06-21 17:58 <diva> reboot!?!?!?
2014-06-21 17:58 <lkalif> also re-install those c++ redist
2014-06-21 17:58 <diva> I have gazillions of programs runnign!
2014-06-21 17:59 <diva> ok so I think the pack for VS installed ok, it was the other than didn't
2014-06-21 18:00 <lkalif> try configuring the build again then
2014-06-21 18:00 <diva> same error
2014-06-21 18:00 <diva> can't run cl
2014-06-21 18:01 <diva> let me try run it
2014-06-21 18:01 <lkalif> are you sure service pack installed?
2014-06-21 18:01 <diva> som edll seems to be missing
2014-06-21 18:01 <diva> mspbd100.dll is missing
2014-06-21 18:02 <lkalif> i keep telling you to install those vs2010 redistributables again
2014-06-21 18:02 <diva> how?
2014-06-21 18:02 <lkalif> those that needed to be re-installed
2014-06-21 18:02 <lkalif> 19:44 < lkalif> you can reinstall them after from http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=5555 and
2014-06-21 18:02 <lkalif>                 http://www.microsoft.com/en-in/download/details.aspx?id=14632
2014-06-21 18:04 <NickyP> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=8328 also
2014-06-21 18:05 <diva> same problem
2014-06-21 18:07 <NickyP> diva is your system updated? /me "ducks"
2014-06-21 18:07 <diva> I think so
2014-06-21 18:07 <diva> I have automatic updates on
2014-06-21 18:07 <diva> and I just ran update
2014-06-21 18:07 <lkalif> which failed
2014-06-21 18:07 <diva> the security patch failed
2014-06-21 18:08 <NickyP> and update other systems such as office etc?
2014-06-21 18:08 <diva> everything is up to date
2014-06-21 18:08 <lkalif> diva: so when you start visual studio 2010 express c++ and go to help -> about it says sp1?
2014-06-21 18:09 <diva> let me check
2014-06-21 18:09 <diva> yes Version 10.0.40219.1 SP1Rel
2014-06-21 18:10 <lkalif> in your singularity source tree, in indra/build-vc100 are there any log files there that might give you a clue what exactly is failing
2014-06-21 18:10 <lkalif> i think cmake stores compilation log there
2014-06-21 18:11 <diva> I don't see that directory
2014-06-21 18:12 <lkalif> ther is no indra/build* something
2014-06-21 18:12 <lkalif> ?
2014-06-21 18:12 <diva> no
2014-06-21 18:13 <lkalif> there has to be alog of compilation somewhere
2014-06-21 18:15 <diva> so I see another error after the first
2014-06-21 18:15 <diva>     TRACKER : error TRK0002: Failed to execute command: ""C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio 10.0\VC\bin\CL.exe" @C:\Apps\cygwin\tmp\tmpccd062cd3c574bceaadbb19a01f84327.rsp". The requested operation requires elevation. [C:\Users\crista\dev\singularity\SingularityViewer\indra\build-vc100\CMakeFiles\CMakeTmp\cmTryCompileExec.vcxproj]
2014-06-21 18:15 <lkalif> try running from the visual studio prompt
2014-06-21 18:16 <lkalif> "The requested operation requires elevation."
2014-06-21 18:16 <lkalif> sounds like "admin" issue
2014-06-21 18:16 <diva> I see the same error there
2014-06-21 18:16 <diva> yeah
2014-06-21 18:18 <lkalif> isn't there cmd line prompt for administrators.
2014-06-21 18:18 <lkalif> something strange going on there
2014-06-21 18:19 <lkalif> 
ACTION tried, needs to go make a sandwitch ;)

2014-06-21 18:21 <NickyP> at times I have had to restore to an earlier time before an update that went bad.
2014-06-21 18:22 <diva> what is devenv.exe?
2014-06-21 18:23 <NickyP> it is the program for the fulll version of vs2010
2014-06-21 18:23 <NickyP> express doesn't have it
2014-06-21 18:24 <diva> does it have an equivalent?
2014-06-21 18:25 <NickyP> yes take me a little to find as I haven't used express in some time
2014-06-21 18:33 <NickyP> C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 10.0\Common7\IDE\VCEExpress.exe
2014-06-21 18:34 <NickyP> Was in an XP: vm
2014-06-21 18:34 <diva> well, I may need to reboot. This is a permissions thing, for sure
2014-06-21 18:34 <NickyP> C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 10.0\Common7\IDE\VCExpress.exe
2014-06-21 18:34 <diva> what a pain!
2014-06-21 18:35 <nebadon> this is why VM's are nice
2014-06-21 18:35 <nebadon> hehe
2014-06-21 18:35 <nebadon> setup a VM work enviornment in virtualbox
2014-06-21 18:35 <nebadon> then you can reboot that machine at anytime without rebooting whole computer
2014-06-21 18:37 <diva> developiong the viewer on a VM doesn't seem like a good idea, I won't be able to run it there
2014-06-21 18:38 <NickyP> I run in VBox vm just sorry graphics
2014-06-21 18:39 <diva> omg
2014-06-21 18:39 <diva> i don't know what magic sequence of things I made, but now it works
2014-06-21 18:39 <NickyP> good
2014-06-21 18:39 <diva> it works in cygwin too
2014-06-21 18:39 <diva> phew
2014-06-21 18:39 <diva> ok so I did the develop.py thing
2014-06-21 18:40 <lkalif> diva: what was it?
2014-06-21 18:40 <diva> lkalif: permissions, but I've no idea what made it work. I tried lots of things
2014-06-21 18:40 <lkalif> diva: now you go to build-vc100 dir with visual studio gui
2014-06-21 18:40 <lkalif> open singularity.sln with it
2014-06-21 18:41 <lkalif> you probably want to change build type to RelWithDebInfo
2014-06-21 18:41 <lkalif> if you're going to run it in a debugger
2014-06-21 18:41 <diva> how do I do that?
2014-06-21 18:42 <lkalif> which part?
2014-06-21 18:42 <diva> change the build tyupe
2014-06-21 18:42 <lkalif> there is no dropdown below menu+
2014-06-21 18:42 <lkalif> oh stupid vs 2010 express, there is a setting to enable "advanced" ui
2014-06-21 18:42 <lkalif> by default it's dumbed down
2014-06-21 18:43 <diva> k, I set it to expoert settings
2014-06-21 18:43 <diva> oh i see
2014-06-21 18:43 <lkalif> there should be a dropdowm with build type, debug, release, RelWithDebInfo
2014-06-21 18:43 <lkalif> you want that last one to work with the viewer
2014-06-21 18:44 <diva> yes
2014-06-21 18:44 <lkalif> hist f6 and go get some dinner :P
2014-06-21 18:45 <diva> "right-click prepare in the solution explorer" <-- what does this mean?
2014-06-21 18:47 <lkalif> solution explorer is list of all projects
2014-06-21 18:47 <lkalif> there is one called "prepare"
2014-06-21 18:47 <diva> oh there's a project called prepare
2014-06-21 18:48 <diva> how off. The build menu options are greyed out
2014-06-21 18:49 <diva> oh it's building?
2014-06-21 18:49 <diva> I don't know what I did, but it looks like it's building
2014-06-21 18:49 <diva> or something
2014-06-21 18:49 <lkalif> you will have to do this part:
2014-06-21 18:49 <lkalif> Right-click secondlife-bin in the Solution Explorer, and click Set as StartUp Project,
2014-06-21 18:49 <diva> it happened when I did build prepare
2014-06-21 18:49 <lkalif> then right click it again and click Properties, then open Configuration Properties and select Debugging,
2014-06-21 18:49 <lkalif> change the Working Directory to "$(ProjectDir)/../../../newview".  Hit OK and return to the main VS window.
2014-06-21 18:50 <diva> I did all that
2014-06-21 18:50 <lkalif> diva: now it dowloads all the libraries
2014-06-21 18:50 <lkalif> don't you have "put
2014-06-21 18:50 <lkalif> "output" window
2014-06-21 18:50 <lkalif> on the bottom
2014-06-21 18:50 <diva> yes
2014-06-21 18:50 <diva> it's doing something
2014-06-21 18:50 <lkalif> it's running prepare
2014-06-21 18:50 <diva> ok I think it finished
2014-06-21 18:50 <lkalif> which downloads pre-requisites
2014-06-21 18:51 <diva> alright. so now I build?
2014-06-21 18:51 <lkalif> f5 will build it and start it for debugging
2014-06-21 18:51 <diva> there it goes
2014-06-21 18:51 <lkalif> f6 will just build it
2014-06-21 18:52 <lkalif> diva: you know Singularity is *by far* easiest viewer to build
2014-06-21 18:52 <lkalif> and I'm not kidding
2014-06-21 18:52 <diva> geez
2014-06-21 18:55 <diva> ok, time to take a shower, it seems
2014-06-21 18:55 <lkalif> hehe
2014-06-21 18:55 <diva> it's in 37. how many more numbers?
2014-06-21 18:55 <lkalif> i don't think those number mean much
2014-06-21 18:56 <lkalif> i know which files are where in the compliation hehe
2014-06-21 18:56 <lkalif> llfloater*.,cpp series is about midway 
2014-06-21 18:56 <diva> that's where it is now
2014-06-21 18:56 <lkalif> then llpanels
2014-06-21 18:57 <lkalif> then llviewer
2014-06-21 18:57 <lkalif> rlv stuff is towards the end
2014-06-21 18:58 <lkalif> diva: when recompiling during development, you should probably disable building "package" project
2014-06-21 18:58 <lkalif> in build configuration
2014-06-21 18:59 <lkalif> it creates installer for distribution, and takes a while
2014-06-21 19:00 <diva> wow my computer is going crazy with this compilation
2014-06-21 19:00 <diva> cpu is at 99%
2014-06-21 19:00 <lkalif> compiler uses all cores
2014-06-21 19:00 <diva> with 12 cores
2014-06-21 19:00 <diva> I never saw any program using my computer like this!
2014-06-21 19:01 <lkalif> it used to take a full hour to compile on my core2 duo
2014-06-21 19:01 <nebadon> render some video :)
2014-06-21 19:01 <diva> nebadon not even!
2014-06-21 19:01 <diva> really this is a first!
2014-06-21 19:01 <nebadon> I mean convert video
2014-06-21 19:01 <nebadon> that kills my machine i literally cant do anything
2014-06-21 19:02 <nebadon> thats the only other thing I can think that will consume as many cores as you throw at it
2014-06-21 19:02 <nebadon> I could never have enough CPU cores
2014-06-21 19:03 <diva> it calmed down
2014-06-21 19:03 <vegaslon> 
ACTION knows rendering 3d animations is a good way to use every computer in your house

2014-06-21 19:03 <nebadon> yea
2014-06-21 19:03 <nebadon> there is not enough cpu cores in the world for that lol
2014-06-21 19:04 <nebadon> imagine how long it took to render the movie Avatar
2014-06-21 19:04 <BeyBar> Computational fluid dynamics, lattice field theory  simulations...
2014-06-21 19:04 <vegaslon> sure they used hundreds of computers
2014-06-21 19:04 <nebadon> they use like 5000 cpu cores and like 500,000 gpu cores
2014-06-21 19:04 <nebadon> still takes 3 months
2014-06-21 19:04 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-21 19:05 <diva> wow this was someting to see!
2014-06-21 19:05 <diva> it's over
2014-06-21 19:05 <nebadon> nice how long was that?
2014-06-21 19:05 <diva> it took 13 minutes
2014-06-21 19:05 <nebadon> not bad
2014-06-21 19:05 <lkalif> I wish I had 12 cores lol
2014-06-21 19:05 <diva> but this was fireworks!
2014-06-21 19:05 <BeyBar> Isn't it 6 hyperthreaded cores?
2014-06-21 19:05 <diva> I was going downstairs but had to watch all 12 cores at 99%!
2014-06-21 19:05 <lkalif> you can never have too many cores when it comes to viewer compilation
2014-06-21 19:06 <nebadon> diva has a crazy computer
2014-06-21 19:06 <nebadon> digital tigers
2014-06-21 19:06 <nebadon> http://www.digitaltigers.com
2014-06-21 19:06 <nebadon> i helped pick it :)
2014-06-21 19:06 <diva> i love it
2014-06-21 19:07 <lkalif> diva: finally you found some use for that CPU of yours :P
2014-06-21 19:07 <diva> ok, so I'm going to take a break before I try to run this viewer that I just built...
2014-06-21 19:07 <diva> yeah! :)
2014-06-21 19:07 <diva> my computer has been basically snoozing for 2 years
2014-06-21 19:08 <diva> even when I turn all the bells and whittles on the viewer up, it still doesn't break a sweat. I never saw anything like what just happened
2014-06-21 19:08 <nebadon> http://onikenkon.com/uppsala/Uppsala3screens_2.png
2014-06-21 19:08 <nebadon> thats on divas computer :)
2014-06-21 19:10 <nebadon> need to do a new one of these :)
2014-06-21 19:14 <lkalif> the viewer was originally single-threaded
2014-06-21 19:14 <lkalif> it's still mostly that
2014-06-21 19:14 <lkalif> one thread, with some minor stuff on other threads
2014-06-21 19:17 <nebadon> i really wish the viewer was capable of using mroe than 512mb GPU memory
2014-06-21 19:17 <nebadon> sucks
2014-06-21 19:17 <nebadon> my 780 has 4gb 
2014-06-21 19:19 <lkalif> lucky bastard
2014-06-21 19:52 <nebadon> well sorta lkalif
2014-06-21 19:52 <nebadon> id be luckier if I could actually use the memory
2014-06-21 19:52 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-21 19:52 <lkalif> you can
2014-06-21 19:52 <lkalif> for rendering stuff in blender :P
2014-06-21 19:53 <nebadon> ah ya well I rarely do that honestly
2014-06-21 19:53 <nebadon> 95% of what i do on computer is opensimulator related
2014-06-21 19:54 <nebadon> it would be really helpful in very large models to have more than 512mb available
2014-06-21 19:54 <lkalif> 512mb is for textures
2014-06-21 19:54 <lkalif> doesn't limit geometry
2014-06-21 19:55 <nebadon> ya
2014-06-21 19:55 <nebadon> im talking about 100+ region simulations
2014-06-21 19:55 <nebadon> where the entire thing is visible
2014-06-21 19:57 <nebadon> even Wright Plaza is probably pushing the limits of 512mb
2014-06-21 19:57 <nebadon> with textures
2014-06-21 19:58 <nebadon> I want to say there is something like 3000-4000 textures visible in Wright Plaza
2014-06-21 19:59 <lkalif> it didn't make much sense to map more than 512mb on a 32 bit os
2014-06-21 19:59 <lkalif> but now that we have win64 version
2014-06-21 19:59 <lkalif> should probably be revisited
2014-06-21 20:01 <nebadon> ya that would be fantastic :)
2014-06-21 21:03 <diva> yey! I'm running the viewer I built!
2014-06-21 21:03 <diva> so now on to the chase of the map blocks...
2014-06-21 21:14 <smxy> You're really on a tear today, diva. Good luck with the map. :)
2014-06-21 21:29 <diva> it's always fun to jump into a completely foreign body of code and try to find a needle in a haystack
2014-06-21 21:43 <dahlia> theres more than just hay in that stack
2014-06-21 21:48 <diva> hmm, i guess one needs to use the debugger really really fast or else we're ding'ed
2014-06-21 21:48 <diva> back to my favorite debugger: prinf
2014-06-21 21:50 <dahlia> std:: cout :P
2014-06-21 21:51 <diva> looks lik ethe viewer has an idiom for printing stuff in the log: LL_INFOS("World Map") << "LLWorldMap::reloadItems()" << LL_ENDL;
2014-06-21 21:51 <LiruCookies> llwarns << llendl
2014-06-21 21:52 <LiruCookies> But that's essentially cout
2014-06-21 21:52 <diva> when should I use infos vs wanrn? does it matter? Is there debug too?
2014-06-21 21:52 <LiruCookies> Warns are a different color on linux, and they say warning
2014-06-21 21:52 <LiruCookies> infos are white on linux, the say info I think
2014-06-21 21:52 <LiruCookies> they*
2014-06-21 21:52 <dahlia> ya I think the log is supposed to not slow things down like writing to stdout would
2014-06-21 21:53 <LiruCookies> lldebugs only shows in a debug build, not relwithdebinfo, though... at least, I don't think so
2014-06-21 21:53 <diva> I'll stick with warn
2014-06-21 21:53 <LiruCookies> llerrs is only to be used for an error
2014-06-21 21:53 <LiruCookies> LL_WARNS says it on a logging channel
2014-06-21 21:53 <diva> i'll stick with infos, I mean
2014-06-21 21:56 <diva> oh
2014-06-21 21:56 <diva> I forgot it takes 13 minutes for this to build. I hope it doesn't take that long if I change just one file...
2014-06-21 21:57 <dahlia> changing headers is what kills it
2014-06-21 21:59 <diva> oh man, visual c++ doesn't have Intellisense
2014-06-21 21:59 <diva> oh wait it does
2014-06-21 21:59 <dahlia> it does but.... you have to wait for it to build the database
2014-06-21 21:59 <diva> I forgot C++ uses -> instead of dot notation
2014-06-21 21:59 <nebadon> more like finding a needle in a stack  of needles :P
2014-06-21 22:00 <dahlia> dot for objects or references, -> for pointers
2014-06-21 22:00 <dahlia> nebadon: a stack of sharp needles :)
2014-06-21 22:01 <osmantis> Bug #7220:04 Hypergrid jump from OSGrid to Kitely Welcome Center confuses viewer / server about worn attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7220 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-21 22:06 <diva> yeah the size if wrong
2014-06-21 22:06 <diva> is
2014-06-21 22:07 <diva> the size of the region that is
2014-06-21 22:28 <diva> oh
2014-06-21 22:28 <diva> geez
2014-06-21 22:28 <diva> opensim is doing it wrong
2014-06-21 22:28 <diva> oh man
2014-06-21 22:31 <nebadon> well that is kind of good
2014-06-21 22:32 <diva> damn, I was hoping this would be my first patch to the viewer...
2014-06-21 22:32 <diva> I fixed it, but in opensim
2014-06-21 22:35 <nebadon> well it helped you find the bug so that is good :)
2014-06-21 22:35 <diva> at least I learned how to build the viewer and debug it
2014-06-21 22:37 <LiruCookies> diva: You can define . and -> for your own classes.
2014-06-21 22:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #3657 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-21 22:40 <LiruCookies> 
ACTION hugs diva for the icecream thing

2014-06-21 22:41 <diva> I need ice cream now
2014-06-21 22:41 <LiruCookies> Yeah, me too, hopefully we'll see an ice cream place on our six mile walk.
2014-06-21 22:41 <LiruCookies> Speaking of, I'm off to walk six miles.
2014-06-21 22:42 <AliciaRaven> diva, is that a fix for this issue, http://jira.phoenixviewer.com/browse/FIRE-13903
2014-06-21 22:42 <AliciaRaven> ?
2014-06-21 22:44 <diva> very likely
2014-06-21 22:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3657: SUCCESS in 5 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3657/
2014-06-21 22:45 <osjenkins> diva: Bug fix in map teleports in varregions. The cherry was missing from the ice-cream Sunday: the packet itself was hardcoding the size of the region...
2014-06-21 22:45 <dahlia> no ice cream sundae? :(
2014-06-21 22:45 <AliciaRaven> i assumed it was viewer side because singularity wasnt effected
2014-06-21 22:45 <AliciaRaven> oop
2014-06-21 22:46 <diva> I saw that in sigularity too
2014-06-21 22:46 <LiruCookies> AliciaRaven: We weren't affected? I thought we were
2014-06-21 22:47 <AliciaRaven> not the map offline bug i reported, that was only in firestorm
2014-06-21 22:48 <diva> try it AliciaRaven
2014-06-21 22:48 <AliciaRaven> firestorm just made the 256 block turn red unless u click the south west corner first
2014-06-21 22:48 <AliciaRaven> i just pulled, wanted to wait for it to finish building first, incase i made server too busy lol
2014-06-21 22:54 <AliciaRaven> dam avg saying robust is infected
2014-06-21 22:59 <AliciaRaven> diva, fs seems worse for that bug i posted now
2014-06-21 23:00 <diva> let me try
2014-06-21 23:00 <diva> I haven't ran FS in ages
2014-06-21 23:00 <AliciaRaven> first if i click a var region on the map greater than 256x, the block i click turns red and says offline, before i could click the bottom block and it would suddenly detect the whole var region, now it stays red
2014-06-21 23:01 <diva> I need to download a newer version of FS
2014-06-21 23:03 <diva> in your set up do you have a map image that's the size of the region?
2014-06-21 23:04 <AliciaRaven> only in the mini map
2014-06-21 23:05 <AliciaRaven> and i think 2x2 regions the map has the correct region in the bottom tile and stretched image over the rest
2014-06-21 23:05 <AliciaRaven> 3x3 was ok tho
2014-06-21 23:07 <diva> interesting
2014-06-21 23:07 <diva> indeed, it doesn't work in FS
2014-06-21 23:08 <diva> i wonder why
2014-06-21 23:08 <AliciaRaven> aurora does it differently, they stretch one image for the whole region, opensim sends individule images, i think the viewers are set up for the aurora way as opensims is newer
2014-06-21 23:08 <diva> no
2014-06-21 23:08 <AliciaRaven> also mini map in firestorm is stretched bottom corner image
2014-06-21 23:08 <diva> we send 1 image
2014-06-21 23:09 <diva> and we were sending several map blcks, but bow we're sending just 1 mapblock
2014-06-21 23:10 <diva> yep, there's something wrong with FS
2014-06-21 23:10 <diva> things work ok in Singularity
2014-06-21 23:10 <AliciaRaven> 1 image? so how come it isnt stretched and blured as it was in aurora for large regions?
2014-06-21 23:11 <diva> the image needs to be of a corresponding size
2014-06-21 23:11 <AliciaRaven> so the split when u call for a map tile for a single 256 area is separate?
2014-06-21 23:11 <diva> but we were sending many map blocks, and now we aren't
2014-06-21 23:12 <diva> there's 2 things related to the map: the map images and the map blocks
2014-06-21 23:12 <AliciaRaven> sorry for my confusion, i havnt looked at the map code atall
2014-06-21 23:12 <diva> the map images come from the map server
2014-06-21 23:12 <diva> the vieer downaloads them directlyt from there
2014-06-21 23:13 <diva> for varregions opensim can handle 1 [large] image for the entire region, but you have to specify in in Regions.ini
2014-06-21 23:13 <diva> for mapblocks, the sim sends that information
2014-06-21 23:13 <AliciaRaven> aurora the whole var region map, poped up in one, opensim fills in the rows so i had assumed they were different
2014-06-21 23:14 <diva> up to 30 minutes ago, opensim was sending many map blocks, one per subarea of a varregion, and that's what I just changed
2014-06-21 23:14 <diva> now the sim sends just one map block with the right size
2014-06-21 23:15 <diva> maybe FS doesn't understand that part of the protocol?
2014-06-21 23:15 <AliciaRaven> ah that explains why the offline regions stopped comming back when clicking the bottom left one
2014-06-21 23:15 <AliciaRaven> i submitted two bug reports, i think cinders is working on it, not sure
2014-06-21 23:16 <diva> singularity code is full of mods guarded by comments that start with FS:CR
2014-06-21 23:16 <diva> I assumed that meant FireStorm, but maybe I'm wrong
2014-06-21 23:17 <lkalif> no, you are right
2014-06-21 23:17 <lkalif> I ported those bits from FS
2014-06-21 23:17 <diva> yeah? I wonder why this doesn't work in FS then
2014-06-21 23:17 <lkalif> but there may have been modifications and additions
2014-06-21 23:21 <AliciaRaven> lkalif, in singularity, all the region names appear instantly, with firestorm it dosnt untill u click on that region
2014-06-21 23:21 <AliciaRaven> could it be fs only loads when u click?
2014-06-21 23:21 <AliciaRaven> so unless its the base region, it returns as an empty square saying offline
2014-06-21 23:22 <diva> where's the FS source code?
2014-06-21 23:22 <lkalif> you need mercurial (hg)
2014-06-21 23:22 <lkalif> http://hg.phoenixviewer.com/phoenix-firestorm-lgpl/
2014-06-21 23:23 <lkalif> they also believe in running crappy web internfaces on their own servers
2014-06-21 23:24 <diva> ok yeah I see they still have the short version of simInfoFromHandle
2014-06-21 23:24 <diva> I htink that's the problem
2014-06-21 23:25 <diva> oh uh
2014-06-21 23:25 <diva> no
2014-06-21 23:26 <diva> but that function looks different
2014-06-21 23:27 <diva> AliciaRaven did you try it with singularity?
2014-06-21 23:27 <diva> did it work?
2014-06-21 23:28 <AliciaRaven> there was no issue with singularity before ur fix, i doubt it would cause one, i will have a look tho
2014-06-21 23:28 <AliciaRaven> kokua has the main map bug, but they dont have the mini map one (or vise vera)
2014-06-21 23:29 <AliciaRaven> sing is fine
2014-06-21 23:30 <AliciaRaven> i notice now the region name isnt repeated in the bottom corner of every 256 block in fs like it was
2014-06-21 23:30 <diva> ok, and you see the correct coordinates displayed o the map when you click?
2014-06-21 23:30 <AliciaRaven> yes
2014-06-21 23:30 <diva> ok, so this is definitely a FS problem. They need to catch up with Singu
2014-06-21 23:33 <AliciaRaven> yep, i hope the habbit of clicking the bottom corner before the rest of the map dosnt stay with me after its fixed lol
2014-06-21 23:33 <lkalif> AliciaRaven: you have to do that only in FS?
2014-06-21 23:33 <AliciaRaven> not using firestorm now because its been crashing all week
2014-06-21 23:33 <AliciaRaven> yes, and kokua
2014-06-21 23:34 <AliciaRaven> i think nicky fixed kokua already tho
2014-06-21 23:34 <AliciaRaven> firestorm is just slow lol
2014-06-21 23:34 <lkalif> lol
2014-06-21 23:35 <AliciaRaven> lkalif no problems with singularity, apart from no map texture on the mini map :P
2014-06-21 23:35 <AliciaRaven> im used to firestorm now, its hard to switch
2014-06-21 23:37 <lkalif> AliciaRaven: which version do you run?
2014-06-21 23:38 <AliciaRaven> updated sing a few days back, after changing to var regions it started to crash on log on
2014-06-21 23:39 <AliciaRaven> running 1.8.5 (5617) now
2014-06-21 23:40 <lkalif> You can try Replex latest build
2014-06-21 23:40 <lkalif> or singularity alpha, but I don't know how stable is where they stopped
2014-06-21 23:40 <danbanner> map is working fine in firestorm for me after a relog
2014-06-21 23:41 <AliciaRaven> dan, ur sure your not clicking the corner region first?
2014-06-21 23:41 <danbanner> ya i think i did click the SW corner first
2014-06-21 23:42 <AliciaRaven> that makes the region visible to fs, its when u click outside 256 first it sats that 256 block is offline
2014-06-21 23:42 <danbanner> ahh
2014-06-21 23:42 <lkalif> newer builds have world map image on mini map
2014-06-21 23:43 <AliciaRaven> before i realised that, teleporting with the map was immposible
2014-06-21 23:43 <AliciaRaven> lkalif parcel lines on mini map or is that too much dreaming? lol
2014-06-21 23:43 <lkalif> get latest Replex build
2014-06-21 23:43 <lkalif> http://files.streamgrid.net/replex/
2014-06-21 23:43 <AliciaRaven> i been meaning to try replex, love the gui
2014-06-21 23:44 <AliciaRaven> singularity looks very old and 90s, thats one reason i liked FS
2014-06-21 23:44 <lkalif> Replex is Singularity, mostly
2014-06-21 23:45 <AliciaRaven> i didnt know singularity could be skinned till the other day
2014-06-21 23:45 <zadark> FS 4.6.5 seems to work well with the opensim update, only have a simple flat field, but the image appears to be evenly distributed, and when I click any where the location updates correctly. I don't have to click any where for the map to appear
2014-06-21 23:47 <zadark> Var region is a 4x4
2014-06-21 23:48 <AliciaRaven> wait, with replex on 2x2 its not showing coords right
2014-06-21 23:49 <AliciaRaven> zadark, u didnt click bottom left region first??
2014-06-21 23:49 <zadark> NO, just open world map, and it is there
2014-06-21 23:49 <zadark> did not mean to shout, cap lock issue
2014-06-21 23:50 <AliciaRaven> strange
2014-06-21 23:50 <zadark> This is the 64 bit version, though I cannot imagine that making a difference
2014-06-21 23:51 <AliciaRaven> same as im using
2014-06-21 23:51 <zadark> FS 4.6.5.40833 ?
2014-06-21 23:51 <diva> zadark, it's not the map image that we're talking about. It's clicking on a point beyond the SW corner
2014-06-21 23:52 <diva> so opem the map and try clicking on a point beyond 256 in a varregion
2014-06-21 23:53 <zadark> I know, Maybe I did not explain correctly, but I can click anywhere on the map and the location updates, if I double click I tp to the location selected
2014-06-21 23:53 <zadark> That is using a 1024x1024 var
2014-06-21 23:53 <diva> in a varregion?
2014-06-21 23:53 <zadark> k
2014-06-21 23:54 <diva> is this on the region that you are on?
2014-06-21 23:54 <zadark> yes
2014-06-21 23:54 <diva> the bug show primarily on a varregion where you are not
2014-06-21 23:55 <zadark> let me jump to the welcome region, and double check from there
2014-06-21 23:55 <diva> (if you're running opensim before 1 hour ago)
2014-06-21 23:55 <nebadon> it worked for me just now
2014-06-21 23:55 <nebadon> at OKC World on OSgrid
2014-06-21 23:55 <zadark> I just updated to include your patch
2014-06-21 23:55 <diva> ok
2014-06-21 23:55 <nebadon> let me try something again
2014-06-21 23:56 <nebadon> ok not sure if this has been considered
2014-06-21 23:56 <nebadon> but if you click on an area beyond 256m
2014-06-21 23:57 <zadark> Comfirm, if I select anywhere on the var, while on the welxcome 256x256 the location updates fine
2014-06-21 23:57 <nebadon> then try to type in the Z coordinate of like any height at all
2014-06-21 23:57 <nebadon> you end up landing in the initial 256
2014-06-21 23:57 <diva> nebadon that's the bug I was chasiung this morning
2014-06-21 23:57 <nebadon> so you cant teleport yourself up on z axis beyond 256
2014-06-21 23:57 <diva> if you update to head that won't happen anymore
2014-06-21 23:57 <nebadon> really
2014-06-21 23:57 <nebadon> I just trierd
2014-06-21 23:57 <nebadon> on master git
2014-06-21 23:57 <nebadon> if i double click the map it works
2014-06-21 23:57 <nebadon> but if i click and area in the map
2014-06-21 23:57 <nebadon> and then type in manually a higher z 
2014-06-21 23:57 <nebadon> it fails
2014-06-21 23:58 <diva> not for me
2014-06-21 23:58 <zadark> Works ok for me
2014-06-21 23:58 <nebadon> i keep ending up in wrong place
2014-06-21 23:58 <nebadon> if i double click on map i dont
2014-06-21 23:59 <diva> nope neb that was what it was doing this morning
2014-06-21 23:59 <nebadon> i end up at right x/y but on the ground
2014-06-21 23:59 <AliciaRaven> lkalif texture in replex mini map is wrong
2014-06-21 23:59 <diva> if you are seeing it's because you diodn't update
2014-06-21 23:59 <lkalif> AliciaRaven: wrong how?
2014-06-21 23:59 <diva> unless i ond't understand what you are saying
2014-06-21 23:59 <AliciaRaven> lkalif http://www.spellscape.co.uk/alicia/replex_map.gif
2014-06-22 00:00 <nebadon> ok I am bringing up the map
2014-06-22 00:00 <nebadon> going to the far NE corner of my 768x768
2014-06-22 00:00 <zadark> Note, if I enter a silly Z like 2300, the whole thing goes nuts
2014-06-22 00:00 <nebadon> i click once on the map to input the coordinates  into the map info box
2014-06-22 00:00 <nebadon> where it says x y z
2014-06-22 00:00 <nebadon> i then change Z to like 500m
2014-06-22 00:00 <nebadon> and then hit teleport
2014-06-22 00:00 <lkalif> AliciaRaven: wrong scale?
2014-06-22 00:01 <nebadon> I end up in the first 256m area
2014-06-22 00:01 <diva> sigh
2014-06-22 00:01 <AliciaRaven> lkalif, nope compare the main map, left, with mini map right... mini map shows a building infront of me
2014-06-22 00:01 <danbanner> i changed z to 2000 and it went there
2014-06-22 00:01 <diva> neb I can guarantee you that oif you are seeing that you are not running head
2014-06-22 00:02 <diva> that's the bug I was chasing
2014-06-22 00:02 <lkalif> AliciaRaven: do you have a regular size region? could you see if that works properly=
2014-06-22 00:02 <diva> and it's fixed
2014-06-22 00:02 <nebadon> ya i don't know either i am on master git
2014-06-22 00:02 <danbanner> its working for me in neb's region
2014-06-22 00:02 <nebadon> im on Replex
2014-06-22 00:02 <nebadon> does it not work with replex?
2014-06-22 00:02 <danbanner> im on same
2014-06-22 00:02 <nebadon> maybe i missed something
2014-06-22 00:02 <diva> works with replex
2014-06-22 00:02 <AliciaRaven> lkalif will see if i can find one
2014-06-22 00:02 <danbanner> im using 32bit version tho
2014-06-22 00:03 <diva> I"m on 64 bit
2014-06-22 00:03 <nebadon> im on 64 bit 5995
2014-06-22 00:03 <danbanner> i'd use 64bit but videos dont play
2014-06-22 00:03 <diva> try clearing the cache
2014-06-22 00:03 <nebadon> its wierd it works for dan
2014-06-22 00:03 <lkalif> danbanner: in replex it does
2014-06-22 00:03 <danbanner> nope
2014-06-22 00:03 <nebadon> actually videos play really bad for me in replex
2014-06-22 00:03 <nebadon> super choppy
2014-06-22 00:03 <danbanner> i'll try again tho
2014-06-22 00:04 <nebadon> i tried tonight for first time ever with replex
2014-06-22 00:04 <nebadon> and the video was very choppy
2014-06-22 00:04 <nebadon> i'll also try again
2014-06-22 00:04 <lkalif> nebadon: moap
2014-06-22 00:04 <lkalif> `?
2014-06-22 00:04 <nebadon> nah
2014-06-22 00:04 <nebadon> old school mp4 media url
2014-06-22 00:04 <danbanner> parcel media is what i had trouble with
2014-06-22 00:04 <nebadon> i dont like moap
2014-06-22 00:04 <lkalif> my pr0n cinema works (tm)
2014-06-22 00:04 <nebadon> not for video anyway
2014-06-22 00:04 <lkalif> lol
2014-06-22 00:05 <NickyP> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7833186/KokuaMapMiniMap.JPG a moving target the map is correct here excepting the spinners. It was messed up before. Now the mini map is messed up.
2014-06-22 00:05 <AliciaRaven> lkalif, im in the north east corner of a 3x3 var region, the mini map has the map texture for the south west corner
2014-06-22 00:05 <nebadon> ah well if you guys say its working I am ok with it
2014-06-22 00:06 <nebadon> I can make due
2014-06-22 00:06 <nebadon> i really dont want to clear my cache
2014-06-22 00:06 <lkalif> AliciaRaven: I would like to know if this is varregíon related
2014-06-22 00:06 <AliciaRaven> k will have to go to osgrid, will see
2014-06-22 00:08 <lkalif> My guess is it displays a fragment of the larger image 
2014-06-22 00:08 <lkalif> instead of scaling it
2014-06-22 00:09 <nebadon> im trying with singularity
2014-06-22 00:09 <AliciaRaven> also lkalif, the coords shown when clicking on the main map reset after 256
2014-06-22 00:09 <lkalif> reset when you do what?
2014-06-22 00:11 <AliciaRaven> click the map in a var region outside 256
2014-06-22 00:11 <lkalif> damn, I need to set me up some varregions for testing
2014-06-22 00:11 <nebadon> ok Singularity works
2014-06-22 00:11 <nebadon> you know what
2014-06-22 00:11 <AliciaRaven> can log in my grid if its easier, u have an account
2014-06-22 00:11 <nebadon> in Replex i see the numbers cant go above 256 diva and lkalif
2014-06-22 00:11 <nebadon> if i type in 500 in x or y
2014-06-22 00:11 <nebadon> it changes to 256
2014-06-22 00:12 <nebadon> wtf?
2014-06-22 00:12 <nebadon> but singularity works
2014-06-22 00:13 <lkalif> you have gremlins in your computer
2014-06-22 00:13 <nebadon> you are using Windows 64 bit?
2014-06-22 00:13 <lkalif> there is no difference in the world map code
2014-06-22 00:13 <nebadon> and diva are you using replex or singularity?
2014-06-22 00:14 <lkalif> nebadon: do you have a test region on osgrid?
2014-06-22 00:14 <nebadon> yes
2014-06-22 00:14 <nebadon> OKC World
2014-06-22 00:14 <nebadon> its 4 768x768
2014-06-22 00:15 <lkalif> heh I get that teleport warning
2014-06-22 00:15 <nebadon> go to Sisyphus first
2014-06-22 00:15 <nebadon> or OKC Tower
2014-06-22 00:16 <lkalif> trying sandbox plaza
2014-06-22 00:16 <nebadon> k
2014-06-22 00:16 <lkalif> you should enable partial terrain ;)
2014-06-22 00:17 <nebadon> oh is that Roberts terrain load stuff?
2014-06-22 00:17 <nebadon> ya i havent looked at that at all
2014-06-22 00:17 <danbanner> ya works well 
2014-06-22 00:17 <AliciaRaven> makes it alot faster, its great
2014-06-22 00:17 <nebadon> how do I enable that?
2014-06-22 00:17 <lkalif> nebadon: perhaps you logged into okc world with singularity?
2014-06-22 00:18 <nebadon> I am there now with Singularity and it works
2014-06-22 00:18 <nebadon> but with Replex not
2014-06-22 00:18 <lkalif> nebadon: try logging in replex while logged of from there
2014-06-22 00:18 <nebadon> not sure I understand
2014-06-22 00:18 <lkalif> log off in okc worlæd
2014-06-22 00:18 <lkalif> login with replex
2014-06-22 00:19 <nebadon> ok logging in with replex
2014-06-22 00:19 <lkalif> now try map
2014-06-22 00:19 <nebadon> ooh
2014-06-22 00:20 <nebadon> maybe it was because I teleported in from a non updated region?
2014-06-22 00:20 <nebadon> because now its working
2014-06-22 00:20 <nebadon> logging directly in it works
2014-06-22 00:20 <lkalif> your map was sent to the viewer from an old region
2014-06-22 00:20 <nebadon> ya
2014-06-22 00:20 <nebadon> ok that makes sense then sorry about that
2014-06-22 00:20 <lkalif> no worries
2014-06-22 00:20 <lkalif> nebadon: the code is exactly the same, so it had to be something
2014-06-22 00:21 <danbanner> ya i noticed the same thing: older regions break the map before you tp
2014-06-22 00:21 <nebadon> ya i think i should just stop trying things
2014-06-22 00:22 <nebadon> i always instantly find the bug
2014-06-22 00:22 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-22 00:22 <AliciaRaven> lkalif, sorry divas update has fixed the coords on the main map in replex, was checking on an old region before
2014-06-22 00:22 <lkalif> cool
2014-06-22 00:23 <AliciaRaven> checking texture aswell
2014-06-22 00:23 <nebadon> so does that mean
2014-06-22 00:23 <lkalif> all bugs turned out not to be bugs
2014-06-22 00:23 <AliciaRaven> fingers crossed
2014-06-22 00:23 <Misterblue> varregions are getting better
2014-06-22 00:23 <nebadon> whenever your in the grid, the first region you visit always handles your map requests?
2014-06-22 00:23 <lkalif> nebadon: no, the current region always
2014-06-22 00:23 <nebadon> then why did it fail even after i teleported in
2014-06-22 00:23 <lkalif> nebadon: but you may have looked up the map before teleporting
2014-06-22 00:23 <nebadon> ah ok
2014-06-22 00:23 <lkalif> on an old region
2014-06-22 00:23 <nebadon> right
2014-06-22 00:24 <nebadon> so it does get cached
2014-06-22 00:24 <nebadon> just for that session
2014-06-22 00:25 <lkalif> nebadon: exactly
2014-06-22 00:26 <lkalif> you should release 0.8.1
2014-06-22 00:26 <lkalif> :P
2014-06-22 00:26 <lkalif> this makes varregions much nicer
2014-06-22 00:27 <AliciaRaven> lkalif mini map texture still broke for me even with divas fix
2014-06-22 00:27 <lkalif> only on a var?
2014-06-22 00:28 <AliciaRaven> draw parcels also, should be one parcel covering the whole var, but it shows as a white box in the first 256m
2014-06-22 00:28 <AliciaRaven> yes just var regions
2014-06-22 00:28 <dahlia> I thought mini map image was rendered in the viewer?
2014-06-22 00:28 <AliciaRaven> its stretching the bottom corner texture
2014-06-22 00:28 <AliciaRaven> there is an option to use map texture
2014-06-22 00:28 <lkalif> danbanner: http://i.imgur.com/h5Udffx.png
2014-06-22 00:30 <frnic> diva, thank you, it works for me on my 1024x1024 running current head and replex
2014-06-22 00:31 <lkalif> nebadon: use 64 bit one
2014-06-22 00:31 <nebadon> ya I am
2014-06-22 00:33 <lkalif> ok so video works in replex 64
2014-06-22 00:33 <lkalif> only problem remaining minimap world texture on varregions
2014-06-22 00:35 <lkalif> rave! http://i.imgur.com/P5gAuXp.jpg
2014-06-22 00:35 <AliciaRaven> lol blue or red pill?
2014-06-22 00:36 <lkalif> dahlia: see in that screenshot, minimap, you can enable world map on it
2014-06-22 00:36 <nebadon> ya stills dont do it justice
2014-06-22 00:36 <nebadon> hehe
2014-06-22 00:37 <osmantis> Bug #6814:04 Terrain and building is not moving always smooth when you walk or fly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6814 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-22 00:39 <lkalif> so when I upgrade osgrid distro
2014-06-22 00:39 <lkalif> what's the easiest way to do it+
2014-06-22 00:39 <lkalif> ?
2014-06-22 00:44 <nebadon> well if your just pulling down the zips then best to just unzip a new folder
2014-06-22 00:45 <nebadon> and move over your configuration files
2014-06-22 00:45 <nebadon> always good to leave previous version intact incase upgrade goes south
2014-06-22 00:46 <frnic> I don't understand why someone that can build OS would use the prebuilt osgrid? All you have to do is build it and use the OSGrid configuration files.
2014-06-22 00:46 <nebadon> ya pretty much we leave try to make it as easy as possible for newbies
2014-06-22 00:47 <nebadon> and then more experienced users can decide how they want to do it themselves
2014-06-22 00:47 <frnic> yup
2014-06-22 00:50 <AliciaRaven> im off to get some sleep, night everyone :)
2014-06-22 00:50 <Misterblue> night
2014-06-22 00:53 <lkalif> frnic: matter of time prioritization, I wanted to test this minimap problem on varregions. I run a couple of regions on OSGrid on a Windows Virtual machine running on a Linux server. So compiling OpenSim and getting it to the Linux host and then into the virtual machine is rather involved
2014-06-22 00:53 <lkalif> much easier for me to test with osgrid distro
2014-06-22 00:54 <lkalif> If I were developing OpenSim, that would be a different matter
2014-06-22 00:55 <danbanner> lkalif: i will post a new osgrid build in a bit
2014-06-22 00:55 <lkalif> great
2014-06-22 00:55 <Dev_Random> Misterblue: you checked in "add some locking for collision lists" earlier.  Is that to address mantis #7132 ?
2014-06-22 00:57 <Misterblue> yes... I will add a comment...  the log files you gave me showed you're running BulletSim on a separate thread.... I started looking at collision data structure locks... found some problems <blush>
2014-06-22 01:05 <Ken_S> I had a user with manager rights try to do a sim restart through the viewer... this feature apparently doesn't work.
2014-06-22 01:05 <Ken_S> The sim just shut down.
2014-06-22 01:06 <Ken_S> Any thoughts on whether this might ever be made to work?
2014-06-22 01:18 <danbanner> lkalif: https://twitter.com/osgrid/status/480520079470129152
2014-06-22 01:19 <lkalif> danbanner: great. thanks!
2014-06-22 01:19 <lkalif> Misterblue: great work on terrain patches smart sending
2014-06-22 01:19 <lkalif> insta-terrain load when enabled
2014-06-22 01:19 <nebadon> ya
2014-06-22 01:19 <nebadon> loads very fast now
2014-06-22 01:20 <lkalif> perhaps enable it in osgrid distro?
2014-06-22 01:20 <lkalif> and if not many complain change the default in cofe
2014-06-22 01:20 <lkalif> core
2014-06-22 01:21 <osmantis> Bug #7229:04 Teleport from Var to normal sim, both with latest dev master and Viewer locks up about 10-15 secs after TP completes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7229 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-22 01:21 <lkalif> curiosity rover just run me over
2014-06-22 01:21 <lkalif> incomptent driver :P
2014-06-22 01:26 <Misterblue> terrain editing is much quicker now... the brushes fly
2014-06-22 01:29 <Ken_S> Misterblue, I just updated and var terrain is loading on the far side of the var first.
2014-06-22 01:29 <Ken_S> Is there a new setting I am missing.
2014-06-22 01:29 <lkalif> Ken_S: [Terrian]
2014-06-22 01:29 <lkalif> SendTerrainUpdatesByViewDistance = true
2014-06-22 01:29 <Misterblue> yes... the new terrain stuff is off by default (unproven technology)
2014-06-22 01:29 <Misterblue> what lkalif said
2014-06-22 01:29 <Ken_S> I could have sworn it loaded from the AV out before.
2014-06-22 01:30 <Ken_S> Hmmmm, I thought I already added that, but will check again.
2014-06-22 01:30 <Misterblue> I don't do anything about view frustrum :)
2014-06-22 01:30 <lkalif> circles are more beutiful than frustrums
2014-06-22 01:31 <Ken_S> I just checked and this setting is there and set to true.
2014-06-22 01:31 <Ken_S> My view distance is set to 1024.
2014-06-22 01:32 <lkalif> mine is 128
2014-06-22 01:32 <Misterblue> the patches are sorted by distance from the avatar... then they are sent as multiple patches per packet
2014-06-22 01:32 <Ken_S> So it loads now from the far view distance first, then fills in towards the AV?
2014-06-22 01:32 <danbanner> no
2014-06-22 01:32 <Misterblue> maybe faster than the viewer update :)
2014-06-22 01:33 <danbanner> it loads whats in view quicker then fills out
2014-06-22 01:34 <Ken_S> I landed in the far sw corner of the var and saw the far NE corner start loading first. The last thing that loaded was where my AV was located.
2014-06-22 01:34 <Misterblue> video or it didn't happen ;-)
2014-06-22 01:34 <danbanner> do you have SendTerrainUpdatesByViewDistance = true?
2014-06-22 01:35 <Ken_S> In [Terrain] SendTerrainUpdatesByViewDistance = true
2014-06-22 01:35 <Ken_S> It has been set that was since the setting was available
2014-06-22 01:35 <Ken_S> And last time I checked it loaded at the av first then went out from there.
2014-06-22 01:36 <Ken_S> But just checked again and it was exactly reverse of that.  Strange
2014-06-22 01:36 <Misterblue> does the replex viewer have it's own FreeNode channel?
2014-06-22 01:37 <lkalif> #replex
2014-06-22 01:38 <Ken_S> It is loading from far side of var first, then filling towards the AV on every var I have now using Replex viewer.
2014-06-22 01:38 <lkalif> but it's basically singlarity + new default skin + win64 parcel media
2014-06-22 01:39 <Ken_S> Its not really a problem, but seems reverse of what it should be.
2014-06-22 01:39 <danbanner> try relog
2014-06-22 01:40 <Ken_S> Danbanner, or will clear cache too.
2014-06-22 01:40 <danbanner> i'd just relog
2014-06-22 01:43 <Ken_S> OK relogged and cleared cache and now its loading correctly again. Really odd!!!
2014-06-22 01:44 <Ken_S> I assumed this was aa function of os rather than the viewer.
2014-06-22 01:47 <Ken_S> OK, I know what causes this now.
2014-06-22 01:48 <Ken_S> When I logged back in I logged into the last place I was on the var, the middle .
2014-06-22 01:48 <Ken_S> Next time I teleoprted to the var from a normal sim, and it put me in the far sw sim.
2014-06-22 01:49 <Ken_S> The terrain again started loading from the far side of the var toward the av last
2014-06-22 01:49 <Ken_S> The landing location on this var is set to a spot on the far SW corner and thats when it happens.
2014-06-22 01:51 <Misterblue> it looks like the terrain is sent as if the avatar is at 0,0?
2014-06-22 01:51 <Ken_S> Misterblue, try teleporting to a sim called Commonwealth and you should see the problem.
2014-06-22 01:52 <Ken_S> Not sure, but 0,0 appears to be the last terrain segment that gets loaded when this happens.
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2014-06-22 01:54 <Misterblue> there is a tiny period when an avatar is at 0,0
2014-06-22 01:55 <Ken_S> So that could make it start loading at 255,255 on the far NE corner of the var first?
2014-06-22 02:00 <Misterblue> rats... went to Commonwealth and all the terrain was already there when the viewer showed stuff
2014-06-22 02:00 <Misterblue> had to wait for the region content :)
2014-06-22 02:02 <osmantis> Bug #7229:04 Teleport from Var to normal sim, both with latest dev master and Viewer locks up about 10-15 secs after TP completes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7229 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-22 02:03 <Ken_S> Misterblue, my internet is not as fast as yours lol
2014-06-22 02:03 <Misterblue> if diva is fixing the viewer... hey diva: LLSurface keeps the region size in static variables so multiple regions of different size is a crashing experience
2014-06-22 02:03 <Ken_S> Misterblue, just found a work-around for mantis 7229
2014-06-22 02:03 <Misterblue> look into moving the region size info to per-region data structures
2014-06-22 02:04 <Misterblue> what's the workaround?
2014-06-22 02:05 <Ken_S> Look at the note in the mantis
2014-06-22 02:07 <Ken_S> Misterblue, by the way the Commonwealth sim manager says she bows down to you for the vars lol
2014-06-22 02:08 <Misterblue> glad to be of service 
2014-06-22 02:08 <Ken_S> Many of us feel the same way :)
2014-06-22 02:12 <smxy> Stop. It'll go to his head and then he'll be running around with a boner everywhere. :)
2014-06-22 02:13 <Misterblue> "boner everywhere"?? you're accusing me of being a SL griefer?? ;-)
2014-06-22 02:15 <smxy> Well, you gotta make sure that freenis physics works properly under BS. :)
2014-06-22 02:25 <Melanie_T> freenis' having physics is BS alright.....
2014-06-22 02:25 <Melanie_T> :P
2014-06-22 02:34 <lkalif> I always forget, in colors is alpha 1 fulluy transarent or opaque?
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2014-06-22 02:55 <dahlia> lkalif: opaque, assuming alpha ranges 0.0 - 1.0
2014-06-22 02:56 <lkalif> dahlia: so 0 is fully tranparent?
2014-06-22 02:56 <dahlia> yes
2014-06-22 02:56 <lkalif> thanks!
2014-06-22 02:56 <dahlia> np
2014-06-22 02:57 <lkalif> 
ACTION needs some way to remember

2014-06-22 02:57 <lkalif> 1,1,1,1 fully opaque white
2014-06-22 02:57 <lkalif> perhaps that will work :P
2014-06-22 02:57 <dahlia> well theres probably a song in there somewhere :)
2014-06-22 03:00 <osmantis> Bug #7229:04 Teleport from Var to normal sim, both with latest dev master and Viewer locks up about 10-15 secs after TP completes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7229 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-22 03:04 <diva> MisterBlue, like what? multiple regions that are neighbors of difderent sizes?
2014-06-22 03:06 <Misterblue> ya... check out the comment under "Viewers" at http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Varregion
2014-06-22 03:06 <Misterblue> people found that region size was assumed to always be the same in the viewer and was kept in static variables
2014-06-22 03:06 <Misterblue> when regions had different sizes, bad things happen
2014-06-22 03:06 <Misterblue> have
2014-06-22 03:07 <lkalif> viewer code is in love with static vars
2014-06-22 03:08 <Misterblue> if regions in view have different sizes, if you don't start out with a large region, exceptions happen
2014-06-22 03:08 <diva> I'll try to encounter the crash
2014-06-22 03:10 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-22 03:10 <diva> this concept of being able to add debug messages in he viewer and build it is really empowering! :D
2014-06-22 03:10 <lkalif> hehe
2014-06-22 03:12 <lkalif> diva: next thing you will add a debug option to opensim allowing for longer network timeouts so you can inspect the code at breakpoints longer ;)
2014-06-22 03:13 <Misterblue> OpenSim does really need an option to turn off the watchdog timers also... would make debugging easier
2014-06-22 03:16 <lkalif> Misterblue: you mean something ike this? http://i.imgur.com/52iT7I3.jpg see build floater there
2014-06-22 03:16 <osmantis> Bug #6814:04 Terrain and building is not moving always smooth when you walk or fly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6814 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-22 03:17 <diva> nice minimap!
2014-06-22 03:17 <lkalif> yellow ring, chat range, parclels, world map tiles
2014-06-22 03:17 <lkalif> (not working well on var regions yet)
2014-06-22 03:18 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy55EvjaXMs
2014-06-22 03:18 <Misterblue> yes... the dialog almost isn't there
2014-06-22 03:19 <Misterblue> when done with the chat dialog, it can float over the scene but you can still see  the world
2014-06-22 03:20 <lkalif> Misterblue: I explain in #replex how you can achive this
2014-06-22 03:20 <lkalif> if people are interested
2014-06-22 03:20 <lkalif> in [install_dir]/skins/replex/colors.xml
2014-06-22 03:20 <lkalif>  <DefaultBackgroundColor value="33, 33, 33, 192" />  
2014-06-22 03:20 <lkalif> 192 is alpha
2014-06-22 03:21 <lkalif> in that screenshot I chanted it to 20 to make inacitive floaters almost fully transparent
2014-06-22 03:21 <diva> I have a standalone with 2 regions of different sizes, one with 256 the other with 768 and I'm not crashing
2014-06-22 03:23 <diva> they're side by side
2014-06-22 03:26 <nebadon> maybe put 2 x 256 and 1 768
2014-06-22 03:26 <nebadon> with the 256 next to each other also
2014-06-22 03:26 <diva> trying 512 and 768
2014-06-22 03:28 <Misterblue> the simulator can handle regions of different sizes... the problem is the viewer seeing a smaller region first
2014-06-22 03:37 <diva> so what should I do to crash it?
2014-06-22 03:40 <Misterblue> log into a 256x256 region and TP to a 1024x1024 region
2014-06-22 03:40 <diva> k
2014-06-22 03:40 <diva> adjacent? ot not?
2014-06-22 03:42 <Misterblue> a first test is not adjacent
2014-06-22 03:43 <Misterblue> I haven't gone through all the cases so characterizing the problem is a good first step
2014-06-22 03:43 <diva> k that worked well
2014-06-22 03:44 <diva> I should say I'm in a standalone
2014-06-22 03:44 <diva> and back to 256 also didn't crash
2014-06-22 03:47 <diva> adjacent also works fine
2014-06-22 03:47 <Misterblue> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7229 is the latest report of the problem
2014-06-22 03:55 <diva> hmm, I didn't crash and I didn't experience any freeze but I see that thde departing sim didn't disappear from sight, which means that the child agent wasn't closed there
2014-06-22 03:57 <diva> yeah.
2014-06-22 03:58 <lkalif> there 50 sec delay
2014-06-22 03:58 <lkalif> in case you change your mind :P
2014-06-22 04:00 <diva> it's the a-b-a bug that's back, this time related to varregions, it seems
2014-06-22 04:00 <diva> and probably only from smaller-larger-smaller
2014-06-22 04:01 <diva> this smells more like an opensim bug than a viewer bug
2014-06-22 04:01 <diva> ah yes
2014-06-22 04:02 <lkalif> this hunt for "viewer bugs" finds all sorts of opensim bugs
2014-06-22 04:02 <lkalif> perhaps I should try looking into opensim bugs to get some viewer ones ;)
2014-06-22 04:04 <diva> I'm not sure what the right thing to do is... as is, we seem to be opening child agents all around at the same distance as the current region
2014-06-22 04:04 <diva> so if I have a 256 at 1000,1000 and a 1024 at 1002, 1000 (2 cells away), and I log in to the 1024, I get a child agent in the smaller one
2014-06-22 04:04 <diva> that's going to result in all sorts of problems
2014-06-22 04:04 <diva> this is tricky
2014-06-22 04:04 <LiruCookies> Overlapping is nasty, yes.
2014-06-22 04:04 <diva> I think we need to open child agents only in the adjacent regions, 1 off, independent of the size of the cuirrent region
2014-06-22 04:05 <diva> :)
2014-06-22 04:05 <nebadon> that could get nasty
2014-06-22 04:06 <nebadon> say you have a 1024x1024 surrounded  by 256's
2014-06-22 04:06 <nebadon> thats 20 neigbors right?
2014-06-22 04:06 <diva> MisterBlue I know this code well, although I'll have to revise it for the varregions scenario. Not today though. This code is nasty
2014-06-22 04:07 <diva> which is better than 40 or so that the current code seems to want to do
2014-06-22 04:07 <diva> or 80
2014-06-22 04:07 <diva> I lost count
2014-06-22 04:07 <diva> some large number
2014-06-22 04:08 <diva> the current code seems to want to see at a distance of 1024 everywhere
2014-06-22 04:10 <Misterblue> as I remember, the logic uses view distance to figure out children... so like for a border crossing, it uses view distance to decide which children to disconnect from
2014-06-22 04:11 <Misterblue> it could disconnect from all children on a border crossing and reconnect to the right children
2014-06-22 04:11 <Misterblue> but it tried to keep connections to reduce the crossing overhead
2014-06-22 04:11 <diva> yeah, there were some strong assumptios in the code
2014-06-22 04:12 <diva> managing child agents is really nasty
2014-06-22 04:12 <diva> I'll take a look tomorrow. 
2014-06-22 04:12 <diva> but i don't know if this is the same bug as the one reported
2014-06-22 04:12 <Misterblue> I've considered a GetRegionsThatAreChildrenForTheCurrentLocation() and then doing an interseection with current children to find who to keep and disconnect
2014-06-22 04:12 <Misterblue> but that function is not written
2014-06-22 04:12 <Misterblue> the logic for that function is scattered around and needs some consolidation
2014-06-22 04:15 <diva> yeah this is the a-b-a bug square on
2014-06-22 04:15 <diva> oh well
2014-06-22 04:15 <diva> still not today that I will fix a viewer bug!
2014-06-22 04:18 <frnic> what is the purpose of the child agents?
2014-06-22 04:19 <lkalif> so viewer can render neighbouring regions
2014-06-22 04:19 <diva> to get data from neighboring regions
2014-06-22 04:20 <frnic> ah, got it.
2014-06-22 04:21 <frnic> thanks
2014-06-22 05:16 <lkalif> diva: are you still around?
2014-06-22 05:17 <lkalif> can someone explain to me how region tiles work in opensim for varregions
2014-06-22 05:17 <lkalif> Misterblue: ?
2014-06-22 05:50 <dahlia> lkalif: thought I heard they are images which represent 256x256 regions and are associated with a normal grid of normal sized regions but I can't say I'm remembering it correctly
2014-06-22 05:51 <dahlia> so in that case a varregion would have many images, enough to cover the grid area
2014-06-22 05:52 <dahlia> but Misterblue would be the authoritity Id think
2014-06-22 05:52 <dahlia> *authority
2014-06-22 05:52 <lkalif> diva was changing something about that today
2014-06-22 05:52 <lkalif> but yes, that seems to be the case
2014-06-22 05:52 <dahlia> oh I thought she mentioned minimap
2014-06-22 05:53 <lkalif> which breaks nice minimaps with region tiles
2014-06-22 05:53 <dahlia> ah I thought viewer made the minimap images
2014-06-22 05:53 <lkalif> dahlia: normally it does
2014-06-22 05:54 <lkalif> this is a recent enhancement added to singularity
2014-06-22 05:54 <lkalif> from catznip
2014-06-22 05:54 <lkalif> which lets you disable objects on the minimap and use region tile insretad as the background
2014-06-22 05:54 <dahlia> oh? interesting... but maptiles can be out of date
2014-06-22 05:55 <lkalif> it's optional
2014-06-22 05:55 <lkalif> see http://i.imgur.com/52iT7I3.jpg
2014-06-22 05:55 <dahlia> ah ok
2014-06-22 05:55 <lkalif> with map tiles on minimap and parcel lines
2014-06-22 05:55 <lkalif> but that's opt-in
2014-06-22 05:56 <dahlia> cool
2014-06-22 05:56 <dahlia> wonder if theres a time stamp associated with map tiles
2014-06-22 05:56 <lkalif> openism updates them quite often
2014-06-22 05:56 <lkalif> SL daily I think
2014-06-22 05:57 <dahlia> quite often assuming it works
2014-06-22 05:57 <lkalif> æpæ
2014-06-22 05:57 <lkalif> lol
2014-06-22 05:57 <dahlia> lol
2014-06-22 05:57 <lkalif> keyboard offset error :P
2014-06-22 05:58 <dahlia> I have US keyboard so I'd have to work harder to have that error :P
2014-06-22 05:59 <lkalif> on us keyboard it would come out as ;p; 
2014-06-22 05:59 <dahlia> haha
2014-06-22 06:00 <lkalif> is osmantis rebooting on cron?
2014-06-22 06:01 <dahlia> dunno I try to avoid that stuff
2014-06-22 06:01 <dahlia> nebadon or Melanie_T probably know
2014-06-22 06:50 <lkalif> One very creepy image: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4kve_dvSA0w/U6WrwHyx3zI/AAAAAAACp3Q/ks2LZN7SojM/s675/gif-man-3D-creepy-1334008.gif
2014-06-22 06:51 <lkalif> looks like he's coming off the screen in 3d at you
2014-06-22 06:51 <lkalif> (it's not nsfw)
2014-06-22 07:32 <dahlia> haha nice effect
2014-06-22 09:18 <osmantis> Bug #7227:04 Unable to teleport from map or hg link 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7227 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-22 11:17 <osmantis> Bug #7227:04 Unable to teleport from map or hg link 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7227 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-22 12:11 <osmantis> Bug #7227:04 Unable to teleport from map or hg link 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7227 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-22 12:49 <osmantis> Bug #7227:04 Unable to teleport from map or hg link 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7227 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-22 13:16 <osmantis> Bug #7227:04 Unable to teleport from map or hg link 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7227 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-22 13:27 <osmantis> Bug #7229:04 Teleport from Var to normal sim, both with latest dev master and Viewer locks up about 10-15 secs after TP completes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7229 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-22 13:32 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-22 13:45 <osmantis> Bug #7230:04 Teleport into SW 256x256 area of a var causes terrain to load reverse order than normal. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7230 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-22 13:51 <osmantis> Bug #7230:04 Teleport into SW 256x256 area of a var causes terrain to load reverse order than normal. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7230 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-06-22 13:58 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Disabling objects on the minimap did not come from catznip, it came from Aleric's boyfriend.
2014-06-22 13:58 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Parcel lines came from Catznip, though.
2014-06-22 13:58 <LiruCookies> And region tile.
2014-06-22 14:32 <osmantis> Bug #7230:04 Teleport into SW 256x256 area of a var causes terrain to load reverse order than normal. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7230 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-22 14:52 <osmantis> Bug #7230:04 Teleport into SW 256x256 area of a var causes terrain to load reverse order than normal. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7230 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-22 16:07 <osmantis> Bug #7230:04 Teleport into SW 256x256 area of a var causes terrain to load reverse order than normal. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7230 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-22 16:36 <lkalif> LiruCookies: I was not talking about disabling objects, but about using world map tile as the background
2014-06-22 16:36 <lkalif> which is broke on varregions
2014-06-22 16:36 <lkalif> also parcel lines don't work
2014-06-22 16:37 <danbanner> people still use the minimap?
2014-06-22 16:37 <lkalif> see region Replex on OSGRid, I set it up in a way it's easy to see the problem
2014-06-22 16:37 <lkalif> danbanner: http://i.imgur.com/52iT7I3.jpg
2014-06-22 16:42 <smxy> I use the minimap all the time.
2014-06-22 16:42 <smxy> It's always open on my screen.
2014-06-22 16:52 <Dev_Random> I use minimap regularly too.  Although sometimes I just need a compass....
2014-06-22 16:56 <LiruCookies> There used to be a compass!
2014-06-22 16:56 <LiruCookies> But it got removed a while back
2014-06-22 16:56 <LiruCookies> It hadn't been used in forever.
2014-06-22 16:56 <LiruCookies> llcompass, I think it was called.
2014-06-22 16:57 <LiruCookies> lkalif: "which lets you disable objects on the minimap "
2014-06-22 16:57 <LiruCookies> That's what I was saying about.
2014-06-22 18:02 <osmantis> Bug #7230:04 Teleport into SW 256x256 area of a var causes terrain to load reverse order than normal. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7230 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-22 18:12 <osmantis> Bug #7036:04 Teleports between regions in a mega-region do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7036 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-22 18:15 <osmantis> Bug #7036:04 Teleports between regions in a mega-region do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7036 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-06-22 18:17 <osmantis> Bug #7230:04 Teleport into SW 256x256 area of a var causes terrain to load reverse order than normal. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7230 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-22 20:07 <osmantis> Bug #7231:04 Avatars sitting on rotating child prims no longer rotate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7231 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-23 01:21 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-06-23 05:08 <xso> for the new release avalible for download - does anyone know if there would be any known issues using MoneyServer.exe ? I can't seem to get it to start
2014-06-23 05:16 <Frank> recommendations between vs 2010 and vs 2013 express?
2014-06-23 05:51 <osmantis> Bug #7218:04 [Bullet] Delay processing script collision events 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7218 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-23 05:56 <osmantis> Bug #7218:04 [Bullet] Delay processing script collision events 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7218 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-23 11:09 <Aleric> Can someone help me with this. How can I simulate the following from the command line using curl(1)?
2014-06-23 11:10 <Aleric> string reply = SynchronousRestFormsRequester.MakeRequest ("POST", m_serverURI + "/" + Name, query);
2014-06-23 11:36 <jakdaniels_> try something like: curl -d data1=value -d data2=value URL
2014-06-23 11:36 <jakdaniels_> where URL=  m_serverURI + "/" + Name
2014-06-23 11:36 <Aleric> Yeah, I just managed to get it.
2014-06-23 11:37 <Aleric> It takes a few seconds before I get a reply though. Why are there so many blocking calls in opensim? :/
2014-06-23 11:37 <jakdaniels_> or might be --data-binary or --data-urlencode depending on what's in query
2014-06-23 11:38 <Aleric> I looked at the opensim source code and it doesn't do anything different with respect to what is in the query. I think it always does a --data.
2014-06-23 11:38 <jakdaniels_> probably query has already been sanitised by that point then ;)
2014-06-23 12:24 <osmantis> Bug #7232:04 avatar dot NOT visable on MAP 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7232 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-23 12:26 <lkalif> Aleric: those bits of code could be executing as a task on the thread pool, in which case it doesn't matter that it's blocking
2014-06-23 12:27 <Aleric> That's abuse of threads :p
2014-06-23 12:28 <Aleric> All networking should be handled by a single thread that provides an async interface to the rest; it should never block for obvious reasons.
2014-06-23 12:29 <Aleric> If you do blocking, you'll end up using one thread for every networking request (or risk blocking), which would be a pretty bad design :/
2014-06-23 12:34 <Aleric>         /// Event Handler for when a root agent becomes a child agent
2014-06-23 12:34 <Aleric> What does that mean?
2014-06-23 12:35 <lkalif> event when avatar was in this sim, but has crossed to a neighbor
2014-06-23 12:35 <lkalif> and is no longer in this sim
2014-06-23 12:36 <Aleric> Ah ok, thanks
2014-06-23 12:36 <lkalif> child agent is avatar that is in a neighbour sim, but is connecting to this region in able to get objects and other stuff from it to render it
2014-06-23 12:51 <Aleric> I see a OnLogout event, and some module here is using that (obviously), but it is not using OnMakeChildAgent. 
2014-06-23 12:51 <Aleric> If an agent is a root agent and moves into a neighboring region becoming a child agent, is OnMakeChildAgent called and NOT OnLogout?
2014-06-23 12:52 <Aleric> Is OnLogout always called (when the client disconnects)?
2014-06-23 12:52 <lkalif> I don't really know those details. I would imagine that OnLogout is not called in that case.
2014-06-23 12:53 <Aleric> Which event is called when the client returns to the sim and becomes a root agent again?
2014-06-23 12:56 <Aleric> OnMakeRootAgent I guess.
2014-06-23 12:56 <Aleric> Weird that that is not used in OpenSim/Region/OptionalModules/World/MoneyModule/SampleMoneyModule.cs  :p
2014-06-23 12:57 <Aleric> (seems to me this completely breaks the whole idea of that example)
2014-06-23 14:05 <Aleric> lkalif, diva: how can I (re)compile just one module in addon-modules?  Running xbuild builds everything :/
2014-06-23 14:37 <diva> Aleric, if the dependencies are right, and you have already built opensim, only the module should compile
2014-06-23 14:47 <Aleric> Yeah, it was cause I did run prebuild.sh
2014-06-23 15:01 <Aleric> I get this message for every user:
2014-06-23 15:02 <Aleric> 14:59:08 - [USER MANAGEMENT MODULE]: No grid user found for 172eb63e-114b-4ee0-88b0-97ea3bac2e61
2014-06-23 15:02 <Aleric> Why would my sim say "No grid user found" for every one?
2014-06-23 15:05 <diva> that's likely not the uuid of the user that arrives at the sim. That's likely the uuid of a creator/owner of an object in the region
2014-06-23 15:06 <diva> yo ucan see the names bindings by typing show names in the console
2014-06-23 15:07 <Aleric> diva: it does the same for my own avatar.
2014-06-23 15:07 <Aleric> And it got the UUID right.
2014-06-23 15:08 <Aleric> 15:04:28 - [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: Request to teleport Timmy Songbird 355c28f3-0955-466f-b617-5b818826be8c home
2014-06-23 15:08 <Aleric> 15:04:28 - [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: No grid user info found for Timmy Songbird 355c28f3-0955-466f-b617-5b818826be8c. Cannot send home.
2014-06-23 15:08 <Aleric> I lost my home
2014-06-23 15:09 <diva> you lost your grid user entry it looks
2014-06-23 15:09 <Aleric> I set it again. but that didn't work (no error when I set it, but it still doesn't exist afterwards)
2014-06-23 15:09 <Aleric> What does that mean?
2014-06-23 15:09 <diva> the home information is kept i the griduser table
2014-06-23 15:10 <Aleric> Please tell me what to type in the console to investigate :)
2014-06-23 15:10 <diva> you can look in your db
2014-06-23 15:10 <Aleric> My db?
2014-06-23 15:10 <Aleric> I just run a sim on this grid... I don't have access to robust etc.
2014-06-23 15:13 <Aleric> 'show names' looks normal.
2014-06-23 15:13 <diva> It looks like your sim isn't interacting with the griduser service the right way, either because the service is borked or because your configuration is borked. Talk to the ppl who run your grid. 
2014-06-23 15:16 <osmantis> Bug #7228:04 Var terrain loading (still) terrible slow. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7228 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-23 19:17 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-23 20:13 <Wanderer_42> ping Melanie_
2014-06-23 20:30 <Melanie_> Wanderer_42: pong
2014-06-23 20:31 <Wanderer_42> Hi. You are the Owner of Avination ?   The listen-event don't work at the summer-contest- region. Waht could that be ?  A hour before it worked normal.
2014-06-23 20:31 <Wanderer_42> Is this a Bug or is it just, that the region needs a restart ?
2014-06-23 20:31 <Wanderer_42> In that case i try to inform the owner
2014-06-23 20:33 <Melanie_> i've never seen that happen. a restart should be tried first
2014-06-23 20:34 <Wanderer_42> no menu works at the time. the dialog pops on. but the listen-event dont work
2014-06-23 20:35 <Wanderer_42> ok, i just wanted to ask, whether this is a known bug, that sometimes appear. So i try to contact the sim-owner
2014-06-23 20:44 <Melanie_> So LL cooked up HTTP agent inventories
2014-06-23 20:44 <Melanie_> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Inventory_API_v3
2014-06-23 20:50 <lkalif> they removed all inventory handling from sim to a central service, also simplified protocol around setting COF 
2014-06-23 20:57 <nebadon> how does that effect us?
2014-06-23 20:57 <lkalif> Doesn't really
2014-06-23 21:21 <Melanie_> nebadon: only to the point where this needs to go into opensim soonish
2014-06-23 21:21 <Melanie_> because viewers could greatly simplify their codebases by dropping udp inventory
2014-06-23 21:22 <Melanie_> so i believe they would want to go that route if LL drops UDP support
2014-06-23 21:22 <Melanie_> it makes merging easier
2014-06-23 21:22 <lkalif> viewers are not going to drop udp inventory
2014-06-23 21:23 <lkalif> nor the current fetch inventory caps
2014-06-23 21:23 <Melanie_> not even years downt he line?
2014-06-23 21:23 <lkalif> there is no years down the line for merging from LL
2014-06-23 21:48 <dahlia> that inventory api web page is seriously unfriendly to those of us with less than perfect vision
2014-06-23 21:52 <Melanie_> dahlia: yup
2014-06-23 21:52 <Melanie_> it's probably even unfriendly to people with 20/20 unless they also have a 4k monitor
2014-06-23 21:53 <dahlia> its probably some output from some design tool (I hope)
2014-06-23 21:56 <diva> the inventory access protocol could use a complete redesign. Just drop everything there is and redesign it from the ground up, with the viewer accessing inventory directly, and giving simulators rights to use certain things at certain points. I hate the way it is designed in SL.
2014-06-23 21:58 <Dev_Random> mantis seems to be missing.
2014-06-23 21:59 <dahlia> overloaded, too many bugs
2014-06-23 21:59 <dahlia> ;)
2014-06-23 21:59 <Melanie_> diva: thatis because your perception is from the HG side if things
2014-06-23 21:59 <Melanie_> LL's is from the grid side
2014-06-23 21:59 <Melanie_> they don't want to have a federated environment
2014-06-23 21:59 <Melanie_> or have users have direct access to the actual data
2014-06-23 21:59 <Melanie_> that would invalidate their lock-in strategy
2014-06-23 22:00 <Melanie_> the thought of users actually owning their inventory items' data probably is the stuff of nightmares for them
2014-06-23 22:00 <dahlia> they could still limit access to whomever they validate
2014-06-23 22:00 <diva> even from that perspective, the architecture is bad. They can continue to lock stuff up if they give direct access to clients.
2014-06-23 22:01 <LiruCookies> AISv3 does give you the chance to rethink the inventory system, though
2014-06-23 22:01 <diva> what's that?
2014-06-23 22:01 <Melanie_> the protocol you've been perusing
2014-06-23 22:01 <Melanie_> it's not between client and sim
2014-06-23 22:01 <dahlia> that ugly web page?
2014-06-23 22:01 <Melanie_> it's between client and a central inventory service
2014-06-23 22:01 <diva> AISv3? I never heard of that
2014-06-23 22:01 <Melanie_> so in that sense client do access inventory directly with it
2014-06-23 22:01 <LiruCookies> Agent Inventory System version 3
2014-06-23 22:02 <diva> what is it?
2014-06-23 22:02 <diva> is it in the viewers?
2014-06-23 22:02 <dahlia> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Inventory_API_v3  this?
2014-06-23 22:02 <justincc> Dev_Random: try now.  apache locked up for some reason
2014-06-23 22:02 <Melanie_> it's only that LL doesn't need a mechanism that gives permissions to simulators
2014-06-23 22:02 <nebadon> was opensimulator.org down again?
2014-06-23 22:02 <Melanie_> as simulators still govern permission on every item rezed
2014-06-23 22:02 <Dev_Random> it's there.. thanks justincc
2014-06-23 22:02 <Melanie_> and can access any inventory at will
2014-06-23 22:03 <diva> is this new?
2014-06-23 22:03 <diva> never heard of this before
2014-06-23 22:04 <diva> and yes, this seems like the right thing
2014-06-23 22:04 <nebadon> wiki history says that page was created October 2013
2014-06-23 22:04 <LiruCookies> It is relatively new, yes.
2014-06-23 22:04 <dahlia> I kinda like the idea of taking the sim out of the inventory loop but I kinda wonder how that could work with our standalone mode of operation
2014-06-23 22:04 <diva> dahlia, exactly the same
2014-06-23 22:05 <diva> standalones are just collections of services
2014-06-23 22:05 <lkalif> diva: it's new, it's only in LL viewer for now
2014-06-23 22:05 <dahlia> ya but caps and all that is kinda... ummm... messy
2014-06-23 22:06 <lkalif> but it is a central service, supports several serializations too
2014-06-23 22:06 <diva> no, this would be great!
2014-06-23 22:06 <diva> it looks great at first sight
2014-06-23 22:06 <lkalif> you can ask it to deliver JSON or XML
2014-06-23 22:06 <dahlia> new serializations?
2014-06-23 22:06 <lkalif> dahlia: it's not only XML like caps
2014-06-23 22:06 <dahlia> LLSD?
2014-06-23 22:07 <lkalif> yeah
2014-06-23 22:07 <lkalif> but JSON serialized optionally
2014-06-23 22:07 <dahlia> cool
2014-06-23 22:07 <diva> I'm really glad to see this coming. It's LONG due!
2014-06-23 22:07 <lkalif> Also high leverl API for stting appearance
2014-06-23 22:07 <diva> not that I'm looking forward to implement another 26 inventory operations again, but...
2014-06-23 22:08 <lkalif> instead of dozen inv operations for setting and deleting inventory links... there is api that allows it set in one go
2014-06-23 22:08 <Trinity93> so dahlia when you gona bring your pathfinding stuff to opensim?
2014-06-23 22:08 <lkalif> specific for COF
2014-06-23 22:08 <LiruCookies> Trinity93, dahlia: There's pathfinding?!
2014-06-23 22:08 <diva> lkalif, any ETA when this is going to hit the opensim viewers?
2014-06-23 22:08 <dahlia> Trinity93: I have no plans at this time
2014-06-23 22:09 <lkalif> diva: I bet firestorm will have it a couple of months
2014-06-23 22:09 <lkalif> as for Singularity I have no idea
2014-06-23 22:09 <LiruCookies> I was talking to Latif about it.
2014-06-23 22:09 <LiruCookies> Err
2014-06-23 22:09 <lkalif> LiruCookies decided to be a little dickhead
2014-06-23 22:09 <LiruCookies> Shyotl
2014-06-23 22:09 <diva> this is really great. I'm gonna have to dive into the finber print, but this has the potential to solve all the issues with inventory access on the HG
2014-06-23 22:09 <lkalif> and work in private repository in order to sabotage Replex 
2014-06-23 22:10 <SianaGearz> liru says it
2014-06-23 22:10 <SianaGearz> 's popcorn time.
2014-06-23 22:10 <diva> kids kids kids, don't fight! :D there's cookies for everyone!
2014-06-23 22:10 <dahlia> LiruCookies: yes I have a couple different pathfinding implementations, neither of which are all that compatable with LL's implementation
2014-06-23 22:11 <lkalif> SianaGearz: he had to call in support? :P
2014-06-23 22:11 <diva> I'm surprised that I had never heard of this before!
2014-06-23 22:11 <Trinity93> well now that LL is doing sl2.o who cares if its not like LL
2014-06-23 22:11 <LiruCookies> How come she joined only a few seconds after you started attacking me, if I "called in support"
2014-06-23 22:11 <SianaGearz> oh i'm not here for support, i'm here for entertainment.
2014-06-23 22:12 <dahlia> Trinity93: I never cared :)
2014-06-23 22:12 <SianaGearz> eh, don't take anything i say in this regard seriously though :P
2014-06-23 22:12 <LiruCookies> dahlia: If you want to implement some sorta parity with the pathfinding floater, I'm game!
2014-06-23 22:12 <diva> whatever SL2 will be, this is the right way of having viewers access inventory -- period
2014-06-23 22:12 <lkalif> diva: the just releaesed the viewer last week. it's still not deployed grid wide, only on one RC of their servers
2014-06-23 22:13 <lkalif> diva: are you familiar with linden RC channels for server deplayments+
2014-06-23 22:13 <lkalif> ?
2014-06-23 22:13 <Melanie_> diva: agreed. it's bull to push all inventory to simulators - they need a fraction of it, if any
2014-06-23 22:13 <Trinity93> becuse i from what i understand once 2.0 comes out all the tpvs might as well go opensim al the way
2014-06-23 22:13 <dahlia> LiruCookies: so far I haven't needed the pathfinding floater. I do have a way to display the navmesh in a non-pathfinding-capable viewer
2014-06-23 22:13 <diva> it looks like they're using the end of SL1 to finally fix a lot of broken architecture, likely so that tyey can reuse it in SL2
2014-06-23 22:13 <diva> lkalif no
2014-06-23 22:13 <LiruCookies> diva: This is SL1 protocol.
2014-06-23 22:14 <diva> does LL do open source?
2014-06-23 22:14 <diva> I mean the whole 9 yards, with IRC channel etc
2014-06-23 22:14 <lkalif> for viewers it does
2014-06-23 22:14 <Trinity93> they wont for SL2.0
2014-06-23 22:14 <LiruCookies> SL2 won't initially be open source
2014-06-23 22:14 <lkalif> there is an IrC channel (#opensl) but it's pretty dead
2014-06-23 22:14 <lkalif> Oz Linden is there though
2014-06-23 22:14 <LiruCookies> But then, neither was SL1
2014-06-23 22:14 <diva> LiruCookies, that's great. Looking forward to implement it server side!
2014-06-23 22:14 <lkalif> he the new head of all SL1 development
2014-06-23 22:16 <dahlia> is there anyone left at LL working server side development?
2014-06-23 22:16 <lkalif> yeah
2014-06-23 22:16 <Trinity93> just oz and a hand full of people
2014-06-23 22:16 <lkalif> but I doubt they're going to do anything radical
2014-06-23 22:16 <LiruCookies> I doubt SL2 will be called SL2 when it comes out, wouldn't it be funny if they call it Lindenworld?
2014-06-23 22:16 <dahlia> Nyx is still SL1?
2014-06-23 22:17 <SianaGearz> well to be perfectly honest, the two productive people on SL server side were Andrew and Simon. both gone last year, right?
2014-06-23 22:17 <dahlia> Simon gone too?
2014-06-23 22:17 <LiruCookies> dahlia: I saw Nyx on our group chat today, so we know he's still involved, but how much is he? There's no saying.
2014-06-23 22:17 <lkalif> The whole "next gen virrual world" discussion came about when I asked if there was chance for C# to come back. CEO went "you see we have this new thing, where most development is goin"
2014-06-23 22:17 <Trinity93> well qarl was rather productive till they canned him too
2014-06-23 22:17 <SianaGearz> well now you're making me doubt that dalia.
2014-06-23 22:18 <justincc> lkalif: i have to imagine he always planned to announce though?  how often does a ceo turn up to those meetings?
2014-06-23 22:18 <lkalif> justincc: never
2014-06-23 22:18 <lkalif> this was first time
2014-06-23 22:18 <lkalif> at least on TPV-dev meeting
2014-06-23 22:18 <Trinity93> i just know that they are father along with it than they are leading on publicly
2014-06-23 22:18 <lkalif> he was on some others
2014-06-23 22:18 <SianaGearz> Trinity93: i'm not very fond of qarl and the professional quality of his output. and he was viewerside, not serverside.
2014-06-23 22:18 <dahlia> too bad they canned qarl. He was pretty creative
2014-06-23 22:18 <SianaGearz> creative, yes.
2014-06-23 22:19 <lkalif> when ít comes to graphics, they lost more with the UK people
2014-06-23 22:19 <Trinity93> well they never let him finish what he started
2014-06-23 22:19 <lkalif> what's his name, that still makes great stuff
2014-06-23 22:19 <SianaGearz> Tofu Linden. good guy!
2014-06-23 22:19 <lkalif> yeah Tofu
2014-06-23 22:20 <lkalif> he wrote screen space reflections that are really awesome
2014-06-23 22:20 <dahlia> some of his creations were pretty... ummm... well not technically perfect but had he not done them SL would probably still look the same as it did in 2006
2014-06-23 22:20 <lkalif> among other cools tuff
2014-06-23 22:21 <lkalif> screem space reflections in the viewer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fFQKXUidYw
2014-06-23 22:21 <SianaGearz> qarl comes from the artistic side of things and not from the technical, and of course that's always interesting, i think it's a point of view which seriously needs representation.
2014-06-23 22:21 <lkalif> we have to convice Shyotl to take these ;)
2014-06-23 22:21 <dahlia> SianaGearz: agreed
2014-06-23 22:22 <LiruCookies> I think Shyotl is more likely to implement his own.
2014-06-23 22:22 <diva> SL2 will not be called SL for sure! It seems to me this is partly better graphics and partly a rebranding operation, so they have to come up with a completely different name and make sure it doesn't invoke the idea of SL-the-hype-that-didn't-deliver. I'm sure they can do the former (better graphics), not entirely sure they can do the latter (rebranding)
2014-06-23 22:23 <lkalif> they should call it "Linden World" which was the original name for SL
2014-06-23 22:23 <LiruCookies> lkalif: that's why I said that
2014-06-23 22:23 <lkalif> As they will use the same currency
2014-06-23 22:23 <dahlia> there are some seriously limiting flaws in the design of SL1, I hope they dont repeat them
2014-06-23 22:24 <diva> yeah, inventory being one of them
2014-06-23 22:24 <dahlia> serious design flaw #1: 2 level hierarchy
2014-06-23 22:24 <lkalif> there is nothing wrong with the inventory now :P
2014-06-23 22:25 <dahlia> serious design flaw #2: no user-defined skeletons
2014-06-23 22:25 <diva> this new API seems to want to redeem from past mistakes :)
2014-06-23 22:25 <dahlia> serious design flaw #3: no client-side scriptability
2014-06-23 22:26 <lkalif> dahlia: standardized avatar has it's advantages economy wise
2014-06-23 22:26 <dahlia> lkalif: standardized avatars are fine
2014-06-23 22:26 <dahlia> but dont limit everyone to them
2014-06-23 22:27 <lkalif> yes, allowing rigged mesh objects with custom animations would be nice
2014-06-23 22:27 <dahlia> and DO allow articulated meshes for non-agents
2014-06-23 22:27 <dahlia> like every other platform on the planet does
2014-06-23 22:27 <NickyP> diva https://sourceforge.net/projects/kokua.team-purple.p/files/Nightly/ merged  AISv3 works and Bluesteel Regions on SL and on Osgrid,  3RG, jOpenSimWorld but crashes on most other opensim grids.
2014-06-23 22:28 <justincc> I'm interested to know how they implement user design of mesh in-world
2014-06-23 22:28 <justincc> I have to think they would try to keep the in-world UGC side of thigns
2014-06-23 22:28 <diva> NickyP wait. did you merge it already?
2014-06-23 22:28 <NickyP> yes
2014-06-23 22:29 <diva> and someone already made a server side for it for openmsim?
2014-06-23 22:29 <NickyP> but only in test
2014-06-23 22:29 <SianaGearz> no user defined skeletons is not an architectural flaw, it's more of an implementation wart that nobody wants to touch.
2014-06-23 22:29 <Melanie_> seeing that i have finally learned the basics of blender, i don't see how that complexity can be put into a viewer
2014-06-23 22:29 <dahlia> justincc: theres probably lots of ways to do it but Id hope it doesnt rule out external design tools
2014-06-23 22:29 <NickyP> no its a fall back
2014-06-23 22:29 <diva> i c
2014-06-23 22:29 <justincc> dahlia: yeah
2014-06-23 22:30 <diva> cool! really looking forward to this! We can finally do something right with inventory on the HG. But the devil isin the details. We probably need some security additions client-side
2014-06-23 22:30 <lkalif> I hope they still make a stand avatar (avatars) for this SL2. You want to make market for clothes.
2014-06-23 22:30 <SianaGearz> Melanie_: and it shouldn't be. Ad hoc content creation, simply moving a few things into a new place, combining things, etc, should be simple and easy, like it is with prims.
2014-06-23 22:30 <NickyP> Bluesteel regions on SL are the only servers that are AISv3
2014-06-23 22:30 <Melanie_> SianaGearz: that would pretty much preclude completely from scratch creation of complex mesh in world
2014-06-23 22:30 <justincc> diva: you think this would allow inventroy to genuinely reside client-side?
2014-06-23 22:30 <Melanie_> but that is probably for the better
2014-06-23 22:31 <lkalif> I don't see a reason to get rid of prims completely
2014-06-23 22:31 <diva> justincc: from what I can see, inventory is still server-side (as it should be), but the viewer accesses it directly
2014-06-23 22:31 <justincc> heh, I thnk inventory should be client-side
2014-06-23 22:32 <SianaGearz> Melanie_: ok, think further. what if we add CSG and smooth operator, as well as ability to manipulate vertices (it really isn't that much, there's simple software around that does that). then you can create items of higher complexity without a more complex UI.
2014-06-23 22:32 <lkalif> justincc: try implementing "no copy" client sidfe :P
2014-06-23 22:32 <diva> really you don't want to have inventory on your computer. I change computers all the time. It would be a mess. Cloud services are a good idea
2014-06-23 22:32 <nebadon> ya 
2014-06-23 22:32 <nebadon> that sounds terrible
2014-06-23 22:32 <justincc> lkalif: requires a different culture
2014-06-23 22:32 <SianaGearz> in particular you can create hard-edge items of OK quality with prims/csg, and you can create organic items with low-resolution mesh being smoothed.
2014-06-23 22:32 <nebadon> not to mention how many different viewers i use
2014-06-23 22:32 <justincc> diva: yeah, maybe that's too much.  Some cloud service disconnected from the simulator/grid itself, maybe
2014-06-23 22:32 <lkalif> Melanie_ would have a heart attack and keel over if there was DRM and no copy :P
2014-06-23 22:32 <justincc> which I guess is what a hg mini grid is, in a sense
2014-06-23 22:33 <SianaGearz> i think it's impossible for Melanie_ to have a heart attack of any kind. :D
2014-06-23 22:33 <lkalif> yeah, it has some pre-requistes, like being a human and having a heart :P
2014-06-23 22:33 <diva> it's fine to run a server at home, but you need to have a server somewhere. Not just a disk storage
2014-06-23 22:34 <Melanie_> HGDropBoxInventoryPlugin
2014-06-23 22:34 <diva> yey!!!!
2014-06-23 22:34 <diva> lol love it!
2014-06-23 22:34 <lkalif> I wonder how much in-world creation tools this "SL2" is going to have
2014-06-23 22:35 <lkalif> Requiring 3D modeling application i norder to create anything would be a huge mistake if you ask me
2014-06-23 22:35 <nebadon> is it really being called SL2?
2014-06-23 22:35 <lkalif> nebadon: nope
2014-06-23 22:35 <justincc> yeah, I think that's a crucial question as to whether it's a contender or more mmo like
2014-06-23 22:35 <antont> diva: i was also gonna say that if client side inv is nice otherwise, but you want to have same on multiple compus, use dropbox :)
2014-06-23 22:35 <nebadon> ok good cause i threw up in my mouth a little saying SL2
2014-06-23 22:35 <SianaGearz> Melanie_: i'm sure another level of simplification would be to only allow extruding quads for mesh creation, and leave triangle based editing to external tools. in viewer, you could then still move groups of vertices if they're tris, but no longer extrude them.
2014-06-23 22:36 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-23 22:36 <lkalif> nebadon: we just don't know the name so SL2 is a palceholder we use for now
2014-06-23 22:36 <dahlia> could edit in voxel space on a viewer and then convert to mesh for normal use
2014-06-23 22:36 <Melanie_> diva: there are multiple "types" of inventory: private self created, public Free, shared by friends from their private, commercial intergrid and commercial gridlocked
2014-06-23 22:37 <SianaGearz> i say SL MK2 to avoid saying SL2 :P
2014-06-23 22:37 <Melanie_> an ideal inventory system would allow any combination of these
2014-06-23 22:37 <diva> yes
2014-06-23 22:37 <Melanie_> and route to the proper places
2014-06-23 22:37 <lkalif> they call it "Next Gen"
2014-06-23 22:37 <Melanie_> "forgetting" branches and items that can't be used where one is
2014-06-23 22:37 <Melanie_> so where you go, who you are and who you know would determine what you can use
2014-06-23 22:37 <Melanie_> like sharing a dropbox folder
2014-06-23 22:37 <nebadon> ah it will be fun to watch LL repeat history
2014-06-23 22:38 <SianaGearz> dahlia: what do you guys have with voxels everyone. voxels are terrible. they're unwieldy. unless you're confusing them with subdivision sculpting, which is indeed cool.
2014-06-23 22:38 <Melanie_> you could use my creations by adding the link
2014-06-23 22:38 <nebadon> make all the same mistakes in different ways
2014-06-23 22:38 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-23 22:38 <SianaGearz> why do you think no voxel based artist tools exist? because they're terrible, and subdivision sculpting is much more artist friendly.
2014-06-23 22:39 <nebadon> ya I personally dont see the apeal of voxels
2014-06-23 22:39 <lkalif> you need to do re-topologu after sub-division sculpting
2014-06-23 22:39 <dahlia> SianaGearz: no, I'm not a big voxel advocate but I have implemented some fun stuff using voxels and I'm aware of some of their better and worse qualities
2014-06-23 22:39 <lkalif> its pita either way
2014-06-23 22:39 <nebadon> every example i see of voxels looks terrible
2014-06-23 22:40 <SianaGearz> voxels is buzzword of the month. i only read SLU on one occasion this year, this Ebbe announcement, and voxels came up in the thread 10 times. in spite of no artist ever working with them :P
2014-06-23 22:40 <nebadon> there was actually one that was semi-impressive
2014-06-23 22:41 <SianaGearz> yes, you can have good voxel data based on scans of real world objects, but it's VERY BIG data. and we're talking online virtual world here :P
2014-06-23 22:41 <lkalif> SianaGearz: it's because Philip Linden's High Fiedelity is using it
2014-06-23 22:41 <dahlia> SianaGearz: I havent seen the word "voxel" in that thread as I only read it for a couple minutes then closed the tab
2014-06-23 22:41 <SianaGearz> well actually those weren't even voxels, those were volume patches.
2014-06-23 22:41 <Trinity93> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQJu6RH8-Ts
2014-06-23 22:41 <dahlia> I do use voxels in my pathfinding
2014-06-23 22:42 <nebadon> this is the only voxel demo that ever impressed me
2014-06-23 22:42 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYfBrNOi9VM
2014-06-23 22:42 <lkalif> "Nyx Linden is going to fold his UG meeting into the Server/Scripting UG. So, the Content & Mesh UG closes with today being its last meeting."
2014-06-23 22:42 <SianaGearz> dahlia: yeah i can see how that's useful.
2014-06-23 22:42 <dahlia> voxels are quite useful for 3d as you can do 3d convolutions easily
2014-06-23 22:43 <SianaGearz> nebadon: that's surface patches :P there's no actual volume to them.
2014-06-23 22:43 <Trinity93> on the other hand they dont work for things that move or are dynamic verry well
2014-06-23 22:43 <nebadon> well this isnt the video but they do show live editing of the terrain
2014-06-23 22:43 <SianaGearz> or dense surface particle cloud.
2014-06-23 22:43 <nebadon> ya around 2:30
2014-06-23 22:44 <nebadon> they show terrain editing
2014-06-23 22:44 <antont> SianaGearz: zbrush is subdiv mesh sculpt, not voxels? i guess if blender's multiresh mesh thing is similar
2014-06-23 22:45 <diva> I hope SL2 will give everyone here the freedom to do things our own way, given that nothing open source will come out of LL anymore, except minor little things. It's time for us to thank them very much and charter the territory by ourselves. If we can stop bickering, of course, which is a tall order for us!!!
2014-06-23 22:45 <lkalif> diva: opensim seems to be spliting map tiles in 256x256 sized images still
2014-06-23 22:45 <SianaGearz> ok at 3:44 it looks like the data is really volumetric in nebadon't posted demo.
2014-06-23 22:46 <antont> diva: for better or worse, we here are already past using their things for .. what, 4 years now
2014-06-23 22:46 <justincc> diva: lol
2014-06-23 22:46 <justincc> diva: yes, I think LL being the force behind viewer development has been a restraining factor
2014-06-23 22:46 <dahlia> stop bickering? LOL
2014-06-23 22:47 <SianaGearz> nebadon: there's always the "too much data" question though :P
2014-06-23 22:47 <justincc> OpenSim inevitably spends most of its time on catchup, and still has some way to go
2014-06-23 22:47 <nebadon> yes
2014-06-23 22:47 <nebadon> no doubt these demos are all single user standalone
2014-06-23 22:47 <diva> antont that's not hard to do when you have central control and ppl get paid :) Try doing that in a group that has no leader by design and where ppl don't get paid except for side jobs... 
2014-06-23 22:47 <nebadon> having a multi-user streaming environment with this kind of data cant be easy
2014-06-23 22:47 <antont> diva: good point, taken
2014-06-23 22:48 <antont> nebadon: i used to try to think of how to sync volumetric terrains or something over the net. but haven't recently :p
2014-06-23 22:48 <justincc> of course, when other people can lead design it might just get worse, judging by existing bickering :)
2014-06-23 22:48 <lkalif> I can't convince peopl to make a wiki page with protocol modifications
2014-06-23 22:49 <antont> nebadon: there are differential / partial change things for updateing texture like things, tiles or some kind of chinks .. perhaps something similar would work for such voxel like things
2014-06-23 22:49 <lkalif> Much less to establish some sort of RFC process for it
2014-06-23 22:49 <SianaGearz> perhaps there's some middle ground between dense surface particle cloud and voxels. like inner voxels being implicit and computed from the surface particles on demand.
2014-06-23 22:49 <antont> lkalif: lludp extenions or what?
2014-06-23 22:49 <lkalif> antont: CAPS too
2014-06-23 22:50 <diva> lkalif getting ppl to do stuff is just about close to impossible here :) Not unlike academic departments I must say. Heardinbg cats all along! So I'm at home here.
2014-06-23 22:50 <antont> SianaGearz: i've tried to figure that's something what things like minecraft do .. make the surfaces for rendering, and then when you edit create the implicit inner things for the new stuff that kind of gets revelaed
2014-06-23 22:51 <antont> diva: :)
2014-06-23 22:51 <lkalif> diva: you cannot furthar develop a protocol in a ad-hoc way and not end up in a clusterfuck of the first order
2014-06-23 22:51 <diva> heheh
2014-06-23 22:52 <antont> diva does write docs and specs for her hg stuff :)
2014-06-23 22:52 <diva> welll, we sort of can, if we have intense sessions of IRC-ing
2014-06-23 22:52 <justincc> that's an extremely expensive way of doing it for some people
2014-06-23 22:52 <dahlia> antont: I have an opengl prog that displays voxels using geometry shaders. It works pretty well but I think there are faster ways to do it
2014-06-23 22:53 <antont> dahlia: is it like creating a surface for it or just drawing lots of cubes?
2014-06-23 22:53 <dahlia> I saw a minecraft clone in c#, it made a mesh for each 16^3 cube
2014-06-23 22:53 <SianaGearz> haha
2014-06-23 22:53 <antont> right
2014-06-23 22:53 <dahlia> antont: mine draws lots of cubes
2014-06-23 22:53 <lkalif> For instance, I could say, "Gee, it's stupid to have to make a script to set prim hovertext. I'm gonna extend the protocol for it". Then go ahead and implement it on one way, even explain here how it's done-
2014-06-23 22:54 <dahlia> you give it an array of points in a vertex buffer and it draws a cube for each point
2014-06-23 22:54 <antont> k. i've never tried geom shaders really .. also 'cause we work almost only with webgl nowadays and don't have those there (yet)
2014-06-23 22:54 <lkalif> But what happens when we want other viewers to implemt it?
2014-06-23 22:54 <SianaGearz> dahlia: that's actually quite good.
2014-06-23 22:54 <lkalif> And what if my implementation sucks, and I didn't let anyone comment on it
2014-06-23 22:54 <justincc> lkalif: standard procedure right now seems to be to apply the patches
2014-06-23 22:54 <antont> dahlia: right, figures
2014-06-23 22:54 <lkalif> justincc: yes, so if the initial design sucks, too bad, no way to fix it
2014-06-23 22:54 <dahlia> SianaGearz: its ok, I can draw many millions of cubes on my old laptop and still get around 10fps
2014-06-23 22:55 <diva> Melanie and I developed the HG protocol entirely in IRC conversations. Documenting it is another story. First came the code. I did it, sort of http://www.ics.uci.edu/~lopes/opensim/HypergridReferenceGuide.html
2014-06-23 22:55 <justincc> lkalif: yes, it's not the right way to do it
2014-06-23 22:55 <SianaGearz> ok pie in the sky think, but what if these protocol extensions come with a standard implementation linked from every use of the protocol, and the viewer can download an extension and use it automatically?
2014-06-23 22:55 <antont> lkalif: but .. but opensim itself is kind of like the standardization body, no random lludp or caps i figure too extensions go there quite just like that
2014-06-23 22:55 <diva> well, it's not a bad way
2014-06-23 22:55 <justincc> diva: so why did the HG protocol use multiple : instead of http like addresses?
2014-06-23 22:55 <diva> beats standards bodies
2014-06-23 22:55 <diva> ahaha
2014-06-23 22:55 <SianaGearz> the link could just be a UUID with a lookup to URL.
2014-06-23 22:55 <justincc> I don't think it's a great way.  It's why we have so many bizarre inconsistencies and design mistakes in opensim
2014-06-23 22:56 <diva> justincc because some times I was drinking red wine, other times white wine :D
2014-06-23 22:56 <justincc> diva: so if it was in an rfc there would be a chance someone would have questioned it
2014-06-23 22:56 <lkalif> yeah we shouldn've standardized on TCP/IP and let everyone send any random crap on the wire :P
2014-06-23 22:56 <diva> but justincc, that part in particular is fixed
2014-06-23 22:56 <antont> SianaGearz: that's similar to what the dfki / xml3d folks propose for mesh encodings in their asset format .. the type of the encoding is actually the url to the decoder lib which works to uncompess the mesh. is easy in the webgl js land
2014-06-23 22:56 <lkalif> because you know standards suck
2014-06-23 22:57 <diva> standards don't suck. But most good standards have evolved very dynamically
2014-06-23 22:57 <SianaGearz> antont: it's easy in .net land too.
2014-06-23 22:57 <justincc> diva: I mean, something like cc.opensimulator.org:8002:keynote
2014-06-23 22:57 <antont> SianaGearz: TRUE
2014-06-23 22:57 <antont> SianaGearz: whoa, with CAPS even :)
2014-06-23 22:57 <dahlia> almost 4 million cubes on my old laptop: http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/voxelMoire.jpg
2014-06-23 22:57 <justincc> cc.opensimulator.org:8002/keynote would have been intuitively more appealing to me
2014-06-23 22:57 <diva> justincc that is still supported for backwards compatibility, but it's not the prefered form
2014-06-23 22:57 <SianaGearz> yeah cause it's BOOL all oldskool.
2014-06-23 22:57 <justincc> diva: oh, what is the preferred form now?
2014-06-23 22:58 <antont> SianaGearz :)
2014-06-23 22:58 <SianaGearz> so i need to nyap.
2014-06-23 22:58 <lkalif> justincc: open the documentation at this wili page... :P
2014-06-23 22:58 <diva> http://cc.opensimultor.org:8002 Keynote
2014-06-23 22:58 <antont> dahlia: pretty wicked
2014-06-23 22:58 <justincc> er, spaces?
2014-06-23 22:58 <SianaGearz> so long and thanks for all the phish.
2014-06-23 22:59 <diva> yes
2014-06-23 22:59 <diva> this is not to say that this is the final form
2014-06-23 22:59 <diva> I think HG is ripe for some standardization work now
2014-06-23 22:59 <justincc> that seems awkward to me for an identifier
2014-06-23 22:59 <diva> but only now that we know what all the issues are
2014-06-23 23:00 <justincc> I think it is true that premature standardization is too much work for too little gain
2014-06-23 23:00 <justincc> like the vwrap stuff which was hopelessly mired
2014-06-23 23:00 <diva> before, we didn't know. Heck I didn't even know what I could do with the viewer!
2014-06-23 23:00 <Melanie_> diva: URLs can't contain spaces
2014-06-23 23:00 <diva> a lot of the HG work was about getting the viewer to work in ways for which it wasn't designed
2014-06-23 23:00 <justincc> yes
2014-06-23 23:01 <Melanie_> so why would you want to go outside the specs here?
2014-06-23 23:01 <diva> Melanie_ technically that's not a URL. It's a URL and a name, 2 things
2014-06-23 23:01 <justincc> why not a single identifier?
2014-06-23 23:01 <antont> diva: name of what?
2014-06-23 23:01 <Melanie_> i'm against this
2014-06-23 23:01 <justincc> url and a name seems like using two things where one would do
2014-06-23 23:01 <diva> the URL alone should do it, and give you the region that's preferred by the grid for HG visitors to use
2014-06-23 23:01 <Melanie_> HG locations should be URLs that is what the concept is for
2014-06-23 23:01 <antont> L is for locatin there, yes :)
2014-06-23 23:01 <antont> +o
2014-06-23 23:02 <antont> http://cc.opensimultor.org:8002/#Keynote ?
2014-06-23 23:02 <diva> I don't remember why I did it this way but I'm pretty sure it was because ofthe viewer. The viewer did the wrong thing on the chat window if you add a path to it
2014-06-23 23:03 <diva> I don't remember the details
2014-06-23 23:03 <diva> but I agree with everything being said
2014-06-23 23:03 <justincc> maybe there's more latitude to rely on viewer changes now
2014-06-23 23:03 <antont> i can see how http://cc.opensimultor.org:8002/Keynote/ might not work
2014-06-23 23:03 <diva> and now that we have control over the vieer we can actually do better things
2014-06-23 23:03 <justincc> yeah, I would hate to have a less than optimal hg identifier because it works within the viewer constraints
2014-06-23 23:03 <antont> but with some luck http://cc.opensimultor.org:8002/#Keynote might work as that still points to the url http://cc.opensimultor.org:8002/ .. just to that 'anchor' there
2014-06-23 23:03 <diva> +1
2014-06-23 23:04 <Melanie_> well, we will need to remove the bull LL did in URL parsing, etc
2014-06-23 23:04 <dahlia> better things, like trash all the existing protocols and design one that is simple?
2014-06-23 23:04 <diva> let's do it! HG addresses have always been very tricky because of things that the vieer does
2014-06-23 23:04 <Melanie_> i did it for avn and i think it's done for singu as well
2014-06-23 23:04 <justincc> I quite like the adress bar at the top of the LL viewer, which was just secondlife.com/<region>/<x>/<y>/<z> I think
2014-06-23 23:04 <lkalif> dahlia: add world peace while uyou're at it?
2014-06-23 23:04 <justincc> though it might be even nice to be able to put parcel names on the end of the path rather the co-ords
2014-06-23 23:04 <antont> then again if the keynote is really like a place there that you could think of like a 'folder' it might be nice to do http://cc.opensimultor.org:8002/Keynote/ or something, dunno
2014-06-23 23:04 <justincc> esp.with large varregions
2014-06-23 23:04 <Trinity93> in fact hgp://server.grid.com/simulator/parcel/cord seems more intuitive
2014-06-23 23:05 <Melanie_> like SL's attempt to get TPVs to merge code that would redirect all secondlife:// urls to the actual SL
2014-06-23 23:05 <Melanie_> despite widespread usage as grid-local identifiers
2014-06-23 23:05 <antont> justincc: i like the LL viewer address url thing too
2014-06-23 23:05 <Melanie_> Trinity93: parcel is meaningless
2014-06-23 23:05 <justincc> maybe not parcel, maybe ultimately waypoint or landmark
2014-06-23 23:05 <Trinity93> if var regoins i think parcles will have more rleevnece
2014-06-23 23:05 <dahlia> lkalif: ok, well *simpler* than the nested mess of protocols which exist now
2014-06-23 23:06 <Melanie_> justincc: parcel names change frequently
2014-06-23 23:06 <justincc> dahlia: remember that bubble protocol way back?
2014-06-23 23:06 <Melanie_> advertising keyword stuffing for search is one reason i kknow of
2014-06-23 23:06 <dahlia> justincc: ya?
2014-06-23 23:06 <justincc> Melanie_: true, prob not existing parcel names
2014-06-23 23:06 <Melanie_> so, parcel is meaningless
2014-06-23 23:06 <justincc> dahlia: that was sort of groudn up.  Never bothered to get my head around the concept though
2014-06-23 23:06 <lkalif> dahlia: It's not realistic that is ever going to happen. You see diva is arguing against any sort of standardization effort for protocol extrnsions
2014-06-23 23:06 <Melanie_> coords are a better way to make sure the location is and remains valid long term
2014-06-23 23:07 <diva> lkalif which diva are you talking about? :)
2014-06-23 23:07 <justincc> co-ords aren;t human memorable though
2014-06-23 23:07 <lkalif> diva: you
2014-06-23 23:07 <diva> hehe did you read what I just said?
2014-06-23 23:07 <antont> justincc: rex / tundra stuff is kind of ground up too in a bit similar way .. mxp was btw the bubble think i think
2014-06-23 23:07 <Melanie_> justincc: they don't need to be
2014-06-23 23:07 <antont> thing, even
2014-06-23 23:07 <justincc> antont: ah yes, mxp
2014-06-23 23:07 <Melanie_> justincc: people don't "memorize" these things
2014-06-23 23:07 <Trinity93> say you create a maximum size var region and break it inot 256x256 parcels
2014-06-23 23:07 <Melanie_> they copy/paste, surf and tinyurl them for social nets
2014-06-23 23:07 <lkalif> diva: you said that "implement first, spring it on everyone" is not a bad method of extending protocol
2014-06-23 23:07 <justincc> Melanie_: I think people may put http://greatgrid.com/bigregion/hereitis
2014-06-23 23:08 <diva> I don't think I said that lkalif....
2014-06-23 23:08 <dahlia> justincc: the bubble protocol worked. Ive done a protocol since then and I believe cmickyb has also
2014-06-23 23:08 <justincc> Melanie_: maybe
2014-06-23 23:08 <Melanie_> that is not reliable
2014-06-23 23:08 <antont> Melanie_: justincc's idea of pointing to e.g. named landmarks might be nice too .. http://something/oulu/marketsquare/ or so
2014-06-23 23:08 <justincc> dahlia: so, why ain't we using it?
2014-06-23 23:08 <Melanie_> either the grid supports a naming service
2014-06-23 23:08 <Trinity93> and sell them as "sims" like a mainland sim on sl
2014-06-23 23:08 <Melanie_> where names map to coords on the grid level
2014-06-23 23:08 <Melanie_> or one uses DNS
2014-06-23 23:08 <diva> but I'm not gonna say it again . scroll back:)
2014-06-23 23:08 <dahlia> justincc: LOL
2014-06-23 23:08 <dahlia> justincc: I use mine, and cmickyb uses his :)
2014-06-23 23:09 <justincc> dahlia: and there they shall remain :)
2014-06-23 23:09 <lkalif> diva: I have a very good memory. 
2014-06-23 23:09 <Melanie_> $org coolplace.com / melanie IN CNAME "hg://avination.com/melsregion/128/100/23"
2014-06-23 23:09 <antont> Melanie_: yep but can it be good to just have urls like that as a way to use the naming service? it then goes to the coords..
2014-06-23 23:09 <dahlia> justincc: well they are spreading out from under their shells but neither is in core or in LL viewers
2014-06-23 23:09 <Melanie_> then use melanie.coolplace.com as login uri
2014-06-23 23:09 <diva> lkalif I'm not going to argue with you. I'm all for standardization efforts -- at the right time, not prematurely
2014-06-23 23:09 <justincc> I guess it depends where that indirection layer lives
2014-06-23 23:10 <justincc> I think much easier on the server than inside dns for the main part
2014-06-23 23:10 <Melanie_> antont: not opposed to tha. just opposed to resolving agains parcel names. they change every minute
2014-06-23 23:10 <antont> Melanie_: fair enough
2014-06-23 23:10 <diva> and lkalif, I think now is the right time
2014-06-23 23:10 <Trinity93> whats the max number of sim equivelent varregions curnetly suports?
2014-06-23 23:10 <diva> because we know how to do this, we've done some version of it already
2014-06-23 23:10 <lkalif> diva: so there is the "Export flag". Melanie_ and LiruCookies decided to implement some mystery feature, they have consulted nobody how it should work, it's half arsed implemented and documened nowhere
2014-06-23 23:11 <justincc> yes, export flag is undocumented
2014-06-23 23:11 <lkalif> diva: if that is "not bad way" to do it as you put it...
2014-06-23 23:11 <diva> I'd like to find out more about it too
2014-06-23 23:11 <justincc> as far as I know, and that's irritating
2014-06-23 23:11 <lkalif> I don't not what is
2014-06-23 23:11 <diva> I think it's good
2014-06-23 23:11 <diva> it's an experiment
2014-06-23 23:11 <diva> with an implementation under it, all good
2014-06-23 23:11 <lkalif> and you teach people about computer science?
2014-06-23 23:11 <diva> now we all want to know moew about it, and how it can be done right
2014-06-23 23:12 <Melanie_> from what i understand, lkalif is a fan of structured, directed development - exactly the kind of coding you can't do with volunteers, just with cubicle slaves
2014-06-23 23:12 <diva> yes I do. I'ma strong believer in experimentation
2014-06-23 23:12 <lkalif> poor kids :P
2014-06-23 23:12 <diva> and learning by doing
2014-06-23 23:12 <diva> they're alright :)
2014-06-23 23:12 <justincc> heh
2014-06-23 23:12 <Melanie_> topdown is gone. agile had been there and going now. what comes next, who knows
2014-06-23 23:13 <Trinity93> lkalif ill play your way... where is my check?
2014-06-23 23:13 <justincc> 
ACTION suspects this now degenerates into people mischaracterising positions

2014-06-23 23:13 <lkalif> Melanie_: agile is a buzzword sold to middle managers who think they can manage risk
2014-06-23 23:13 <diva> yeah
2014-06-23 23:14 <diva> so, I"m all good for makign the HG protocol better
2014-06-23 23:14 <diva> I'm less sure of how to do it, except in conversations here
2014-06-23 23:14 <Melanie_> diva: this has served us well so far
2014-06-23 23:14 <lkalif> I have seen too many "experiments" beecomeing de-facto standards and then you have to live with crap for decades
2014-06-23 23:14 <Melanie_> and i don't see why we should change it because of one person who would be king
2014-06-23 23:15 <justincc> I don't agree, 'design by irc with no doc' results in a bunch of half-arsed stuff
2014-06-23 23:15 <diva> I don't think anyone has time to engage in scheduled meetings and stuff like that
2014-06-23 23:15 <diva> how do you propose to do ir justincc?
2014-06-23 23:15 <lkalif> who says anything about meetings?
2014-06-23 23:15 <diva> I'm genuinely interested in knowing people's ideas fo how to standardize things in an enviroenmet like this
2014-06-23 23:16 <Melanie_> why, this is a meeting, nor am i out of it
2014-06-23 23:16 <justincc> diva: it really depends on what's being done.  For big things, I would say write an RFC but miss out lots of detail, just the broad sweep
2014-06-23 23:16 <Trinity93> to code or write documentation...THAT is the question...
2014-06-23 23:16 <justincc> nobody has time to read long documents
2014-06-23 23:16 <diva> justincc I already did that. 
2014-06-23 23:16 <diva> It's in IEEE Internet Computing
2014-06-23 23:16 <lkalif> This should be simple. Say you want "Export flag", 1) write a small RFC, it should work this way, 2) post it on a wiki somewhere and post to mailing list 3) guartaeed you will get feedback on stuff you didn't think about
2014-06-23 23:17 <justincc> diva: so who is the audience?  us or others?
2014-06-23 23:17 <lkalif> there need not be "approval", or "go ahead"
2014-06-23 23:17 <diva> everyone, I guess
2014-06-23 23:17 <lkalif> but thre should be spec for everyone to implement
2014-06-23 23:17 <diva> should I write something specifically for us?
2014-06-23 23:17 <justincc> diva: I guess it dpeneds.  About what in particular?
2014-06-23 23:17 <diva> Hypergrid 
2014-06-23 23:18 <justincc> But as you say, in HG case don't we know the broad sweeps?
2014-06-23 23:18 <justincc> federation between servers, in this case
2014-06-23 23:18 <diva> that paper I wrote has the broad strokes, it leaves all the details out. But the details is what we are discussing here now
2014-06-23 23:18 <Melanie_> there are people who write specs and people who write code
2014-06-23 23:18 <justincc> diva: so I guess, what detial in particular
2014-06-23 23:18 <Trinity93> write it for coders and technicaly minded power users i guess
2014-06-23 23:18 <justincc> Melanie_: and then there are people who do both
2014-06-23 23:18 <Melanie_> and never the twain shall meet
2014-06-23 23:18 <diva> things like addresses
2014-06-23 23:18 <justincc> diva: so I guess if it were me, I would write an e-mail saying addresses should work in such and such a way
2014-06-23 23:19 <Melanie_> all of us have written such emails at one time or another
2014-06-23 23:19 <justincc> and see what people say
2014-06-23 23:19 <lkalif> Melanie_: so you get to sneak in your paranoid DRM agenda with the export flag because nobody is paying attention and there is no spec
2014-06-23 23:19 <Melanie_> about things that were controversial
2014-06-23 23:19 <lkalif> that is going to end well
2014-06-23 23:19 <justincc> then after a discussion, write if up on a wiki page
2014-06-23 23:19 <diva> and send it where justincc? I've rarely seen viewer developers engaging in a conversation in opensim-de, and we need viewer devs for this
2014-06-23 23:19 <justincc> diva: that's a good point.
2014-06-23 23:19 <Melanie_> lkalif: there is no DRM agenda about the export flag - it's all about relaxing DRM that is there, legallya nd by default.
2014-06-23 23:20 <justincc> diva: I guess one venue might be the conference if it can wait that long.  Or we seem to have most of the viewer devs here now... (back to irc)
2014-06-23 23:20 <diva> yeah :)
2014-06-23 23:20 <justincc> except firestorm, who don't seem to do the irc thing
2014-06-23 23:20 <diva> we could have a session in OSCC about things like this
2014-06-23 23:20 <justincc> 
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2014-06-23 23:20 <Trinity93> my experiance with firestorm is they dont realy care much about opensim
2014-06-23 23:21 <lkalif> And Trinity93 us asking *me* to write her a check
2014-06-23 23:21 <justincc> maybe have another go at creating a mailing list... or even have that be an opensim list if that's not too ried into opensim for ppl
2014-06-23 23:21 <diva> what mailing list justincc?
2014-06-23 23:21 <justincc> diva: yeah, some session on how to (try) to co-operate better would be good
2014-06-23 23:21 <justincc> like opensimulator.org/viewer-dev or something
2014-06-23 23:21 <Trinity93> lkalif: it wa worth a try :P
2014-06-23 23:22 <diva> cool-cats@opensimulator.org :)
2014-06-23 23:22 <justincc> ha
2014-06-23 23:22 <lkalif> you should all be writing me checks :P
2014-06-23 23:22 <justincc> diva: I do remember you tyring to start that hg group thuogh - these things can be thankless and not take off
2014-06-23 23:22 <Melanie_> i doubt a general viewer dev channel will happen
2014-06-23 23:22 <lkalif> Aleric tried once, failed
2014-06-23 23:22 <justincc> I would try and start one but it would mean viewer devs actually wanting to talk to each other
2014-06-23 23:22 <diva> did I say "hearding cats" ?
2014-06-23 23:22 <justincc> lkalif: and somebody called Aber? Overlander?
2014-06-23 23:22 <Melanie_> i can only give hearsay here but it's been said that certain devs on one project don't work well with certain ones on another
2014-06-23 23:22 <lkalif> I don't remember
2014-06-23 23:22 <Trinity93> hehe if you made prim to mesh how i wanted it to be i might have :P
2014-06-23 23:23 <justincc> you all seem to hate each other for some reason
2014-06-23 23:23 <Trinity93> na justin 
2014-06-23 23:23 <justincc> though i guess we do server-side too, just somehow short of forking
2014-06-23 23:23 <Melanie_> lol
2014-06-23 23:23 <antont> diva: all i know is the old internet way .. make implementations, running code, and if you want to standardize so that there are multiple implementations, do interop tests etc
2014-06-23 23:23 <antont> diva: .. and specify the basics once they are clear
2014-06-23 23:23 <Melanie_> yup. code talks, bs walks
2014-06-23 23:23 <lkalif> justincc: short of forking? avination, aurora, inwordz, opensim
2014-06-23 23:23 <Trinity93> if we do we have every one equaly :P YAY FOR EQUALITY!
2014-06-23 23:24 <Trinity93> hate i ment
2014-06-23 23:24 <Aleric>  cool-cats@openismulator.org
2014-06-23 23:24 <justincc> lkalif: Iin some cases, i guess you have a point
2014-06-23 23:24 <Aleric> is what I read
2014-06-23 23:24 <justincc> Aleric: lol
2014-06-23 23:25 <diva> but justinc the ML is worth a try
2014-06-23 23:26 <diva> an ML that's not just for opensim-dev, but that's for server-side and viewer-side co-development
2014-06-23 23:26 <diva> that would be great
2014-06-23 23:26 <justincc> diva: Now I think about it, I dunno whether it would get any traffic
2014-06-23 23:26 <justincc> it does seem to overlap opensim-dev too much
2014-06-23 23:26 <diva> I don't know either...
2014-06-23 23:26 <Melanie_> my opinion as well
2014-06-23 23:26 <Melanie_> it'd be stillborn
2014-06-23 23:27 <justincc> maybe opensim-dev is the place, thuogh viewer devs might not like the tie in to opensim
2014-06-23 23:27 <justincc> and I'm still not convinced they really want to do much except snipe right now anyway
2014-06-23 23:27 <Melanie_> IMHO, work closely with one viewer, like we have been with sungu, and then let the other pick up what they deem essential, and let people vote with their feet
2014-06-23 23:27 <lkalif> I have 228 unread conversations in opensim-dev :O
2014-06-23 23:27 <diva> I ave rarely seen messages from viewer devs in opensim-dev
2014-06-23 23:27 <Melanie_> singu*
2014-06-23 23:28 <lkalif> singularity is dead
2014-06-23 23:28 <diva> :)
2014-06-23 23:28 <Melanie_> lkalif: that is what you wish and want to heppen.
2014-06-23 23:28 <justincc> really, if youi guys want to argue over viewers you should find your own channel
2014-06-23 23:28 <diva> lkalif, no man is an island!
2014-06-23 23:28 <Melanie_> lkalif: but that is not the case
2014-06-23 23:28 <lkalif> Melanie_: there is one singularity developer, LiruCookies 
2014-06-23 23:28 <Aleric> Siana is still working on a new compile bot.. it should get there.
2014-06-23 23:29 <lkalif> she's working on it for two months
2014-06-23 23:29 <lkalif> and even when that comes online, she'll disappear for six months
2014-06-23 23:29 <lkalif> you know how it goes
2014-06-23 23:29 <Melanie_> lkalif: SianaGearz, LiruCookies, Aleric, Shyotl, and, as I get around to it, me
2014-06-23 23:30 <Melanie_> and the reason they don't have a buildbot is because you withdrew yours, which i consider an act of malice
2014-06-23 23:30 <lkalif> SianaGearz made last commit last year
2014-06-23 23:30 <lkalif> Melanie_ lies, as expected from you
2014-06-23 23:30 <diva> kids kids kids
2014-06-23 23:30 <diva> behave!
2014-06-23 23:30 <lkalif> I offered to SianaGearz twice, in public, to install it
2014-06-23 23:31 <Aleric> Using as argument that Singu has only one dev, to push replex seems a bit odd - since all you do is merge from the very same devs.
2014-06-23 23:31 <lkalif> diva: I'm not going to stand here and let Melanie_ spew lies about me
2014-06-23 23:31 <Melanie_> i'm sorry, I wasn't there and it must have been past scrollback limits,
2014-06-23 23:31 <lkalif> I have my integrity
2014-06-23 23:31 <Melanie_> but you could have left yours up until they had theirs ready, it's what i would have done
2014-06-23 23:31 <dahlia> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-YgYFve18s
2014-06-23 23:31 <diva> you know what? If we want to continut to develop the open metaverse, we're going to find a way to get along...
2014-06-23 23:32 <Melanie_> and you keep accusing me of lying and malicious deeds, without any substantial evidence in all cases so far
2014-06-23 23:32 <diva> in fact, we're the last island that's viable for that
2014-06-23 23:32 <lkalif> Melanie_: everything that is in singularity master is also in singularity alpha
2014-06-23 23:32 <dahlia> what? and no drama? NO POPCORN?? :(
2014-06-23 23:32 <diva> :)
2014-06-23 23:32 <lkalif> Melanie_: the only proven maliciouis person is here around herer
2014-06-23 23:32 <lkalif> with your unethical practices
2014-06-23 23:33 <Melanie_> you consider commercial actions unethical
2014-06-23 23:33 <Melanie_> sorry, won't fly
2014-06-23 23:33 <Melanie_> many, if not most, here, have commercial interests in opensim
2014-06-23 23:33 <lkalif> I consider code obfucscatiomn in a GPL opensource project to be unethical
2014-06-23 23:33 <diva> oh wow, good old times! :) I hadn't watched one of these live flame wars since 2009 :)
2014-06-23 23:33 <Plugh> nebadon: SL:TNG  ;)
2014-06-23 23:33 <antont> gpl? the viewer?
2014-06-23 23:34 <lkalif> yes
2014-06-23 23:34 <lkalif> and she dares question my conduct, what a low-life
2014-06-23 23:34 <Melanie_> i don't. if someone wants to reap what i sow, let them work for it
2014-06-23 23:34 <justincc> nobody is being convinced of anything by these arguments
2014-06-23 23:34 <justincc> you should take it to some private forum
2014-06-23 23:35 <Melanie_> i'd never mention it if i wasn't constantly attacked about it here
2014-06-23 23:35 <Melanie_> he doesn't want private, he wants it public
2014-06-23 23:35 <Melanie_> and doesn't "get" that it's an old hat
2014-06-23 23:35 <antont> oh well
2014-06-23 23:35 <diva> kids please let's all get along!
2014-06-23 23:35 <Melanie_> the shadow of a spot where a dead horse used to be
2014-06-23 23:36 <Trinity93> he also dosent get that he is the only one who cares
2014-06-23 23:36 <justincc> Melanie_: and now you're beating it
2014-06-23 23:36 <Trinity93> i know i dont
2014-06-23 23:36 <Melanie_> if i'm attacked, i defend to the degree i see fit at the time
2014-06-23 23:36 <lkalif> Yeah, you are right justin. I should give up on this whole thing. After all I do it completely for free.
2014-06-23 23:36 <diva> it's quite impossible to talk about standardization if we are bickering like this, because we're all there is!
2014-06-23 23:36 <Melanie_> and you know that i'm pretty much always the one to stop replying yo him
2014-06-23 23:36 <antont> i do have to agree that distributing gpl code and having only obfuscated source for it availably is probably license violation. but that's not really on topic here
2014-06-23 23:36 <antont> available, even
2014-06-23 23:37 <justincc> antont is a nice guy, see if you can convince him :)
2014-06-23 23:37 <justincc> sorry antont
2014-06-23 23:37 <antont> hehe
2014-06-23 23:37 <Melanie_> lkalif: in fact, you probably should, if you can't let other people have different philosophies
2014-06-23 23:37 <Trinity93> its not obacucated 
2014-06-23 23:37 <Trinity93> its just not documented
2014-06-23 23:37 <Trinity93> there is a diference
2014-06-23 23:37 <antont> Trinity93: oh, different story then
2014-06-23 23:37 <antont> also the linux kernel is largely not documented i bet :)
2014-06-23 23:37 <Trinity93> and mel didnt write it
2014-06-23 23:37 <Melanie_> i know antont. lives in a cold, cold place :)
2014-06-23 23:37 <antont> diva: hear hear
2014-06-23 23:38 <Trinity93> it came from hipoviewer
2014-06-23 23:38 <Melanie_> but beautiful light up there
2014-06-23 23:38 <Trinity93> if my emory serves corect
2014-06-23 23:38 <antont> Melanie_: yes is great now :)
2014-06-23 23:38 <Trinity93> memoery i ment
2014-06-23 23:38 <Melanie_> antont: and i bet you don't have to plug in your cars at this time of year
2014-06-23 23:38 <antont> nope
2014-06-23 23:38 <NickyP> my clock shows ~0135 in central Europe maybe you guys are sleep deprived and need a good nights sleep.
2014-06-23 23:38 <justincc> yes, before round 2 starts, I'm going to kick myself out
2014-06-23 23:38 <antont> NickyP: not diva :)
2014-06-23 23:38 <diva> they're all night awls
2014-06-23 23:38 <justincc> goodnight folks, happy arguing
2014-06-23 23:39 <diva> owls even
2014-06-23 23:39 <antont> but i'm getting tired for sure
2014-06-23 23:39 <Melanie_> still in oulu?
2014-06-23 23:39 <Trinity93> the only thing mel is guilty of is useing the code after figureing out what it did
2014-06-23 23:39 <antont> was nice playing a little football with my son out in the evening .. hm well close to midnight, easily bright enough out there :)
2014-06-23 23:39 <Trinity93> and then asking it to remain 
2014-06-23 23:39 <antont> Melanie_: yes .. we're also publishing a 3d model of the city soon finally :)
2014-06-23 23:39 <Trinity93> witch to me isnt a big deal
2014-06-23 23:39 <Melanie_> nice
2014-06-23 23:39 <lkalif> Trinity93: she is the one writing your checks, right?:P
2014-06-23 23:40 <antont> Trinity93: right, thanks for info
2014-06-23 23:40 <Melanie_> i did like my stay there
2014-06-23 23:40 <Trinity93> im not paid by her
2014-06-23 23:40 <antont> Melanie_: glad to hear :)
2014-06-23 23:40 <diva> anyway, friends, really we're all there is for an open source platform for 3D online virtual reality.
2014-06-23 23:40 <lkalif> Trinity93: wow, so you do this for free. 
2014-06-23 23:40 <Melanie_> and the pub that played rammstein for pouring the flaming drink - awesome
2014-06-23 23:40 <antont> Melanie_: we had visitors a couple weeks ago too, at the ubioulu summer school .. i was helping with the AR track there
2014-06-23 23:40 <Trinity93> yep just like you ;P
2014-06-23 23:40 <lkalif> Trinity93: I don't kiss ass for free, I get payed for that :P
2014-06-23 23:41 <antont> diva: so, what do we need? good url syntax and practice for hg endpoints? written as a spec :)
2014-06-23 23:41 <Trinity93> mel will be the first to tell you i dont kiss any ones ass
2014-06-23 23:41 <Melanie_> naw, she's more likely to stab you
2014-06-23 23:41 <diva> I wouldn't mind writing it at all antont, if I knew ppl would read it
2014-06-23 23:42 <antont> diva: right. i've been sometimes trying to understand how / whether the hg biz might be relevant for us. i'm not sure yet, even after all these years
2014-06-23 23:42 <antont> diva: i did read your article back from that ieee internet computing magazine vw special issue :)
2014-06-23 23:43 <dahlia> antont: how could it be if you arent format and protocol compatible?
2014-06-23 23:43 <antont> dahlia: no idea, perhaps not
2014-06-23 23:43 <osmantis> Bug #6769:04 HG friends issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6769 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-23 23:43 <diva> yeah, ppl are still trying to own the space by themselves
2014-06-23 23:43 <Trinity93> now there is a bug that fits the topic :P
2014-06-23 23:43 <diva> hehe
2014-06-23 23:43 <antont> dahlia: though in the end the idea of worlds / scenes is perhaps similar .. and something similar with inventory might be nice
2014-06-23 23:44 <antont> if you wanna be my VW lower, you gotta get with my HG friends .. *la-la-laa*
2014-06-23 23:45 <dahlia> antont: well maybe protocol and format compatibility doesnt matter ;)  http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2014/06/kitely-market-to-have-delivery-to-high-fidelity/
2014-06-23 23:45 <antont> (full lyrics at http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/spicegirls/wannabe.html if someone is not familiar :)
2014-06-23 23:45 <diva> antont from what I can see, the VR world is full of Rosedale-like ppl whose intentions are to own the space, rather than developing a decentralized infrastructure
2014-06-23 23:46 <antont> dahlia: right, we can surely think of that kind of things. worth a thought at least
2014-06-23 23:46 <dahlia> diva: I dont think he wants to own the space, he just wants to be able to print the money :)
2014-06-23 23:47 <Trinity93> diva i agree
2014-06-23 23:47 <Melanie_> only idealists want a decentralized infrastructure
2014-06-23 23:47 <Melanie_> everyone else wants to make money
2014-06-23 23:47 <antont> diva: can well be. there have been many decentralized attempts too .. but has been fragmented and somewhat weak
2014-06-23 23:47 <Melanie_> and that means liminiting users
2014-06-23 23:47 <Plugh> SIngularity dead?? I do know it has gone downhill. It used to be a great viewer.
2014-06-23 23:47 <Trinity93> but unfortuently they are the ones that pay the bills
2014-06-23 23:47 <Melanie_> Plugh: lkalif left singu, or was kicked out - depends on whom you want to believe
2014-06-23 23:47 <dahlia> Plugh: have some popcorn
2014-06-23 23:48 <Melanie_> Plugh: he believes that singu is dead, or wants singu to be dead, and keeps telling everyone
2014-06-23 23:48 <dahlia> 
ACTION hands the bowl to Plugh...

2014-06-23 23:48 <Trinity93> selling pop corn is how you print the money
2014-06-23 23:48 <Melanie_> Plugh: wishful thinking, IMHO, as singu has 4(5) devs left and replax has one
2014-06-23 23:48 <lkalif> Melanie_ is just lying
2014-06-23 23:48 <Plugh> dahlia: I've been reading some of the "discussions" from part way back in my  buffer since I got back from dinner. :)
2014-06-23 23:48 <dahlia> selling? hmmm....
2014-06-23 23:49 <dahlia> 
ACTION waves the popcorn in front of plugh, waits for signs of salivation, and states "$1 please"

2014-06-23 23:49 <Melanie_> lkalif: lol. i gave two options on both statements, both hearsay - so where is there a lie?
2014-06-23 23:49 <Melanie_> you're pathetic, lkalif 
2014-06-23 23:49 <lkalif> Fact is that there is currently one active Singularity developer. And a project leader that works for a week and takes six months breaks.
2014-06-23 23:49 <Trinity93> Are you gullible? one dollar to find out!
2014-06-23 23:50 <diva> 
ACTION has seen faculty meetings of similar antics :)

2014-06-23 23:50 <Plugh> dahlia: I just had dinner. I don't feel like having popcorn right now, thanks.
2014-06-23 23:50 <dahlia> Plugh: for you, 50 cents :)
2014-06-23 23:50 <Trinity93> spekaing of dinner
2014-06-23 23:50 <Trinity93> im makin soft tacos tonight
2014-06-23 23:51 <dahlia> mmmmm tacos...
2014-06-23 23:51 <diva> sushi here
2014-06-23 23:51 <Plugh> sushi? Um... no!
2014-06-23 23:51 <dahlia> 
ACTION tosses the popcorn and makes a mad dash for the illegal-alien-staffed mexican taco place down the street....

2014-06-23 23:51 <Trinity93> i had sushi the other day for my birthday
2014-06-23 23:52 <lkalif> For the record, so Melanie_ doesn't have her lies accepted as truths: when it became clear that I can no longer work for Singularity project, I have repeatedly offered to install all the infrastructure for them, as I was leaving.
2014-06-23 23:52 <lkalif> The crash reporting syste, the alpha site and athe build bot.
2014-06-23 23:53 <Plugh> I had some of those new tacos from the place at the nearby mall where you "make a run for the border". They have hard shell tacos that have Dorito shells.
2014-06-23 23:53 <lkalif> My offers were ignored. There was nothing I could do about it.
2014-06-23 23:53 <dahlia> cant beat tacos made by real illegal aliens :)
2014-06-23 23:53 <Plugh> 
ACTION doesn't want to know the amount of sodium in them compared to regular hard shell tacos.

2014-06-23 23:53 <Melanie_> maybe it was a trust issue about letting you touch their new servers, rather than telling them how to do it
2014-06-23 23:53 <Melanie_> i don't know
2014-06-23 23:53 <dahlia> mmmmm THE BEST
2014-06-23 23:53 <Melanie_> but that is not relevant to the statement i made above
2014-06-23 23:53 <Melanie_> which was completely open ended
2014-06-23 23:53 <lkalif> Melanie_: you have been proven a lier once already this eventing, you could stop now
2014-06-23 23:53 <Melanie_> so can, by definition, not be a lie
2014-06-23 23:54 <dahlia> living in southern california has 3 perks: beaches, perfect weather, and perfect tacos :D
2014-06-23 23:54 <diva> anyway, lkalif I would like to hear your thoughts about how to design/improve things in a more standardizable manner. Not just in abstract, but in the concrete social context of what we have here. There's just us, really, server-side and viewer-side
2014-06-23 23:54 <Plugh> :)
2014-06-23 23:54 <Plugh> Nice, Dahlia
2014-06-23 23:55 <Trinity93> texas has the best i think
2014-06-23 23:56 <Trinity93> though new mexico is a close second
2014-06-23 23:56 <lkalif> diva: I have promissed to do the mesh upload thing. I will finish that. Beyond I don't know if I want to have any part of this.
2014-06-23 23:56 <dahlia> texas has too many hurricanes on the beaches
2014-06-23 23:56 <lkalif> I invest my time in energy for free for the benefit of the community only to have my reputation besmerched by some people of questionable ethics.
2014-06-23 23:57 <Trinity93> perhaps but at lest the beach dosent shake
2014-06-23 23:57 <lkalif> I don't have to put up with that.
2014-06-23 23:57 <dahlia> Trinity93: more fun for surfing :)
2014-06-23 23:57 <Trinity93> that and i dont have to be worried about being mugged on the beach
2014-06-23 23:58 <Trinity93> i can carry a gun in texas
2014-06-23 23:58 <dahlia> I dont have to carry a gun in CA
2014-06-24 00:00 <Trinity93> you must be a brave man last time i was in california 5 people got shot a block from my motel room
2014-06-24 00:00 <Trinity93> in broad daylight
2014-06-24 00:01 <Trinity93> and i was next to diseny land
2014-06-24 00:01 <dahlia> well I'm sure you will think of anything to counter whatever I have to say, so I'll just say "enjoy Texas"
2014-06-24 00:02 <Trinity93> not my intent but yes i will enjoy texas when i go there
2014-06-24 00:04 <Trinity93> i like some place sin californa too
2014-06-24 00:04 <antont> i've only been in northern california. liked. much.
2014-06-24 00:04 <antont> sure would love to visit the south too
2014-06-24 00:05 <Trinity93> but people in coastal cities are frigin nuts
2014-06-24 00:06 <Trinity93> i have an aunt that lives in los alamedos
2014-06-24 00:06 <Trinity93> her home securoty system is better than most banks where i live
2014-06-24 00:08 <Trinity93> steel shutter on all the doors and windows she lowers every night
2014-06-24 00:08 <Trinity93> and a safe room
2014-06-24 00:13 <lkalif> dahlia: I will need some help about mesh asset creation. Woul you have some time to answer a couple of questions about it?
2014-06-24 00:14 <lkalif> Not right now, but this packing mesh into an identity cube is still slightly confusing me.
2014-06-24 00:25 <dahlia> lkalif: I've had limited success at creating mesh assets in c#, so sure. later would be better
2014-06-24 00:26 <lkalif> ok, thanks, I'm not anywhere near that
2014-06-24 00:27 <dahlia> I create a llmesh asset for my navmesh so I can display it in a viewer similar to the way you can see it in SL 
2014-06-24 00:27 <lkalif> cool
2014-06-24 00:27 <lkalif> yeah I saw the screenshots
2014-06-24 00:30 <dahlia> ya this one http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/inViewerNavmeshDisplay.jpg
2014-06-24 00:31 <lkalif> Yeah, that's pretty cool
2014-06-24 00:48 <smxy> You know, with all the in-fighting, I doubt OpenSim will *ever* be "the apache of the meteverse". You folks bicker like children and seemingly can barely stand one another, much less work cohesively for the common good.
2014-06-24 01:00 <nebadon> not defending anyones behavior, but its probably not much different in the apache channels smxy
2014-06-24 01:00 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-24 01:01 <nebadon> big open source projects can be chaotic
2014-06-24 01:05 <zadark> Just finished catch up on a mamouth irc session, great job by all participants.
2014-06-24 01:12 <NickyP> diva sl AISv3 info http://blog.nalates.net/2014/06/23/second-life-news-2014-26/
2014-06-24 01:37 <diva> thanks NickyP
2014-06-24 02:05 <diva> and smxy, as bad as this bickering looks, I can tell you that I've seen similar bickering in faculty meetings / mailing lists, with just about 10x the sarcasm :) When you have a group of smart ppl who are not tied by management hierarchies or money links, who come from all sorts of backgrounds and cultural contexts, and who disagree on things, these kinds of fights tend to happen... it's 
2014-06-24 02:05 <diva> great when ppl can still work together, but sometimes it gets bad. Hopefully, ppl here will find a way to get along! We could really benefit from a group of server and viewers developers working together from here on, since LL is about to exit the open source game, and we'll be on our own.
2014-06-24 02:11 <nebadon> could be worse, Steve Ballmer could be in charge :P
2014-06-24 02:11 <nebadon> i heard that guy was lengendary in ripping people to shreds
2014-06-24 02:11 <dahlia> could be even worse, youtube could close off their comment sections and those people would come here :(
2014-06-24 02:11 <nebadon> Linus is too though hehe
2014-06-24 02:12 <lkalif> smxy's contribuitions will make it all better :P
2014-06-24 02:13 <dahlia> actually I kinda like ballmer :)  *hides*
2014-06-24 02:13 <lkalif> yeah
2014-06-24 02:14 <dahlia> Ive met some pretty boring CEOs in the past...
2014-06-24 02:14 <nebadon> he certainly loves developers..
2014-06-24 02:14 <dahlia> wonder how he's doing on the clippers thing
2014-06-24 02:15 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhh_GeBPOhs
2014-06-24 02:15 <nebadon> lol i cant even imagine working for that guy
2014-06-24 02:15 <nebadon> hehe
2014-06-24 02:15 <dahlia> haha
2014-06-24 02:16 <diva> lol
2014-06-24 02:16 <lkalif> I like the new Linden CEO
2014-06-24 02:16 <dahlia> seems ok so far
2014-06-24 02:16 <dahlia> ballmer would be better tho :P
2014-06-24 02:17 <dahlia> but LL would be pocket change for him
2014-06-24 02:17 <lkalif> this one is 1) swede
2014-06-24 02:17 <lkalif> 2) seems to get the business LL is in
2014-06-24 02:24 -!- Wanderer_42(~kvirc@dslb-084-060-130-155.pools.arcor-ip.net) has left #opensim-dev
2014-06-24 02:35 <dahlia> we're supposed to use fetch now instead of pull? I forgot...
2014-06-24 02:37 <lkalif> git?
2014-06-24 02:37 <dahlia> ya
2014-06-24 02:37 <lkalif> you have to pull, fetch doesn't update your diles
2014-06-24 02:37 <lkalif> f
2014-06-24 02:38 <dahlia> what does fetch do?
2014-06-24 02:39 <lkalif> it downloads changesets, but doesn't merge them into your working files
2014-06-24 02:39 <dahlia> somehow something was messed up and it had something to do with pulling but now I dont remember what it was or what the new procedure is supposed to be
2014-06-24 02:39 <lkalif> you can do fetch, and then merge origin/master
2014-06-24 02:39 <dahlia> ah maybe that was it
2014-06-24 02:42 <lkalif> my cat decided my lap was the best place for nap
2014-06-24 02:46 <H-H-H> hey lkalif do you have a minute for a pm ? :)
2014-06-24 02:47 <lkalif> i can only type with my left hand art
2014-06-24 02:47 <lkalif> slowly
2014-06-24 02:48 <H-H-H> does that constitute a yes :P ?
2014-06-24 02:48 <lkalif> yes
2014-06-24 03:09 <lkalif> that was a rare event, usually my connection is rock solid
2014-06-24 03:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #3658 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-24 03:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3658: SUCCESS in 8 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3658/
2014-06-24 03:15 <osjenkins> dahlia: add LSL constants PRIM_SPECULAR and PRIM_NORMAL
2014-06-24 03:28 <diva> lkalif: the LL CEO seems very nice, and it was nice of him to show up at that meeting, but he delivered the clear message that LL will be out of the open source circles very soon. It was a nice gesture of him to show up at the TPV meeting and say it "face to face" to you guys. But the party with open source devs is over. Or will be soon. 
2014-06-24 03:34 <LiruCookies> LL has Desura, that's already open, isn't it
2014-06-24 03:34 <lkalif> possibly, but at least we got a chance to talk. and he was straight with us
2014-06-24 03:41 <dahlia> diva: not sure I take it that way. LL needs SL to provide income until SL:TNG can replace that income. That could take quite some time and has some risk of never happening. In the mean time open source devs are now the critical developer mass. There's a power differential here that needs to be factored in
2014-06-24 03:42 <dahlia> but ya I agree it was nice of him to give a heads up
2014-06-24 03:46 <lkalif> 6 am an i cannot sleep
2014-06-24 03:49 <lkalif> I'm so not cool. 
2014-06-24 03:50 <dahlia> 6? ya I'm usually out by 5am :P
2014-06-24 03:50 <lkalif> lol
2014-06-24 03:51 <dahlia> I'm not bipolar, I'm just nocturnal
2014-06-24 03:52 <lkalif> I try to get to sleep before the sun is up
2014-06-24 03:52 <diva> I'm usually up by 6am
2014-06-24 03:52 <dahlia> :P
2014-06-24 03:52 <diva> kids! adapt to their schedule or go insane.
2014-06-24 03:52 <dahlia> nighttime is best coding time :)
2014-06-24 03:53 <lkalif> yeah
2014-06-24 03:53 <lkalif> tomorrow I get to write a collada parser
2014-06-24 03:53 <dahlia> kids? I thought you had one daughter thats... um.. oh a tween? ya insanity
2014-06-24 03:53 <lkalif> yey :P
2014-06-24 03:54 <diva> yey lkalif!
2014-06-24 03:54 <diva> and yes dahlia, she's 10. She wakes up at 5:45
2014-06-24 03:54 <lkalif> socal is a weird place
2014-06-24 03:55 <dahlia> diva: enjoy it. She'll be 13 soon :)
2014-06-24 03:55 <diva> !
2014-06-24 03:55 <diva> I don't want to think about that!
2014-06-24 03:55 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-24 03:56 <lkalif> teens dating, parent's dream :P
2014-06-24 03:57 <dahlia> diva: you'll know its time to worry when she plays justin bieber (or whoever the teen heartthrob du jour) songs all day long
2014-06-24 03:58 <diva> justin bieber is completely out, dahlia :)
2014-06-24 03:58 <dahlia> adding to the insanity :)
2014-06-24 03:58 <dahlia> he's out already? who is it now?
2014-06-24 03:58 <diva> actually my daughter and I tend to like the same music
2014-06-24 03:58 <lkalif> it's one direction now
2014-06-24 03:58 <diva> one direction is on the way out too
2014-06-24 03:59 <diva> these artists last for about 18 moths, that's about it!
2014-06-24 03:59 <lkalif> heh
2014-06-24 03:59 <dahlia> so whos next?
2014-06-24 03:59 <diva> there's some girl band in the UK that I forget the name
2014-06-24 04:00 <dahlia> girl band? LGBT taking over the teen heartthrob market now?
2014-06-24 04:00 <diva> they are very hetero
2014-06-24 04:00 <diva> I forget what they're called
2014-06-24 04:01 <lkalif> you know what's a thing, japanese teen girls doing metal lol
2014-06-24 04:02 <nebadon> spice girls! lol
2014-06-24 04:02 <nebadon> god i hate them
2014-06-24 04:02 <diva> ahah, believe it or nor my daughter listens to the spice girls
2014-06-24 04:02 <dahlia> spice girls are ancient history
2014-06-24 04:03 <nebadon> if only dahlia
2014-06-24 04:03 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-24 04:03 <diva> "tell me what you want what you really really want" is one of our favorite songs aroun the house. We tend to break out in songs around here, and that song is great for when she's hungry or wants something :)
2014-06-24 04:03 <smxy> I'd still do Bieber, as long as I could shove his face in a pillow. :)
2014-06-24 04:04 <smxy> He couldn't sing then. :)
2014-06-24 04:04 <lkalif> babymetal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VJUjF8yioI#t=54
2014-06-24 04:05 <dahlia> bieber had to play the bad boy card... must be getting desparate
2014-06-24 04:06 <nebadon> something seems very wrong on master git
2014-06-24 04:06 <lkalif> bieber is just a little douchebag
2014-06-24 04:06 <nebadon> or whatever version we are running at Argon diva
2014-06-24 04:06 <nebadon> if i shift drag copy a linkset its bad
2014-06-24 04:07 <diva> what happens?
2014-06-24 04:07 <nebadon> I shift drag copy a linkset and the copy moves away as it should, then the object i just copied jumps to where the copy is
2014-06-24 04:07 <nebadon> and i have both selected
2014-06-24 04:07 <nebadon> its happened to me like 10 times now
2014-06-24 04:07 <nebadon> very bad
2014-06-24 04:08 <dahlia> I have master in a standalone *tries it*...
2014-06-24 04:08 <dahlia> seems ok
2014-06-24 04:08 <diva> maybe 4651cd1f50add12aca5d45bdde1b9990ce3c29de by MisterBlue?
2014-06-24 04:09 <dahlia> tried twice, still good
2014-06-24 04:09 <diva> are you using bullet dahlia?
2014-06-24 04:10 <dahlia> I think so
2014-06-24 04:10 <nebadon> this is in varregion too
2014-06-24 04:10 <diva> our terrain there is mesh
2014-06-24 04:10 <dahlia> oh no regular sized region
2014-06-24 04:10 <dahlia> dont have a var set up with master, only older
2014-06-24 04:10 <nebadon> diva can you try this at Argon 2?
2014-06-24 04:10 <diva> 1 sec
2014-06-24 04:10 <nebadon> dahlia you could as well try there
2014-06-24 04:11 <lkalif> diva: I was trying several times to ask you about the map tiles
2014-06-24 04:11 <diva> lkalif  are you talking about the images or the map blocks
2014-06-24 04:11 <lkalif> images
2014-06-24 04:12 <diva> I didn't touch the map images, just the map blocks
2014-06-24 04:12 <diva> so maybe opensim is chopping the images
2014-06-24 04:12 <lkalif> but do you know how does it work?
2014-06-24 04:12 <nebadon> yes i do beleive that opensim is cutting them
2014-06-24 04:12 <nebadon> with openjpeg maybe
2014-06-24 04:12 <lkalif> it wouldn't work with a single image?
2014-06-24 04:12 <nebadon> no
2014-06-24 04:12 <diva> I'm not entirely sure for the images. I know that we can specify a large image that is the size of the region, but I don't know what opensim does with it
2014-06-24 04:12 <nebadon> not without extensive viewer mods I suspect
2014-06-24 04:13 <nebadon> the viewer is very hell bent on being 256x256 cells
2014-06-24 04:13 <nebadon> it definitely cuts it up
2014-06-24 04:13 <diva> neb I'm there what should I do?
2014-06-24 04:13 <nebadon> take any linkset
2014-06-24 04:13 <nebadon> and hold down shift as you move it
2014-06-24 04:13 <nebadon> to drag out a copy
2014-06-24 04:14 <diva> what? This is new to me
2014-06-24 04:14 <diva> right click?
2014-06-24 04:14 <nebadon> edit it
2014-06-24 04:14 <lkalif> nebadon: that does not drag out a copy. it drags the original and rezzes a copy in the original place
2014-06-24 04:14 <nebadon> so you have the 3 color arrows to move it
2014-06-24 04:14 <nebadon> ya well the end result is you get a copy of what your dragging
2014-06-24 04:14 <diva> yes and then what?
2014-06-24 04:15 <nebadon> for me both copies end up jumping to the new location
2014-06-24 04:15 <diva> so edit then shift and move?
2014-06-24 04:15 <nebadon> and i have both copies selected
2014-06-24 04:15 <lkalif> hold shift and mov it
2014-06-24 04:15 <nebadon> yes
2014-06-24 04:15 <nebadon> sorry
2014-06-24 04:15 <diva> it did ok
2014-06-24 04:15 <nebadon> hmm
2014-06-24 04:15 <diva> I did it on that building machine on the corner
2014-06-24 04:15 <nebadon> maybe its because im doing it over a border
2014-06-24 04:15 <nebadon> dont drag it over a border
2014-06-24 04:16 <nebadon> but do it to prims that are in neighbor region
2014-06-24 04:16 <nebadon> to where your avatar is
2014-06-24 04:17 <osmantis> Bug #6824:04 script method to get/set materials textures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6824 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-24 04:17 <lkalif> did LL add the materials functions?
2014-06-24 04:18 <lkalif> I know they were working on a way to add LSL support for setting materials textures
2014-06-24 04:18 <lkalif> But I didn't realize it was out yet
2014-06-24 04:21 <lkalif> I guess I should just disable pretty mini-maps on varregions then
2014-06-24 04:21 <LiruCookies> lkalif: They did somewhat, yes
2014-06-24 04:22 <LiruCookies> What's wrong with them on var?
2014-06-24 04:23 <lkalif> opensim slices up the tile for a region 
2014-06-24 04:23 <lkalif> so you get only south east 256m streatched over the whole region
2014-06-24 04:23 <lkalif> south,west
2014-06-24 04:24 <lkalif> you can see it on region called Replex on osgrid
2014-06-24 04:24 <osmantis> Bug #6824:04 script method to get/set materials textures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6824 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-24 04:25 <lkalif> I could've sworn that it worked with one tile on Aurora when mapblocks sent had correct region size
2014-06-24 04:25 <diva> the mapblocks now have the right size, but the images are a different story
2014-06-24 04:26 <AliciaRaven> lkalif, yes, aurora did send the var map image as one tile
2014-06-24 04:26 <diva> I'd have to look. Where are you getting the images from? From the map server or from the sim?
2014-06-24 04:27 <lkalif> the map server
2014-06-24 04:27 <diva> the map server does a lot of composing images together for the different zoom levels
2014-06-24 04:27 <dahlia> not thru the normal texture fetch cap?
2014-06-24 04:27 <lkalif> nope
2014-06-24 04:28 <diva> and what zoom level are we talking about?
2014-06-24 04:28 <lkalif> the most zoomed in one
2014-06-24 04:28 <lkalif> where you get individual regions
2014-06-24 04:29 <lkalif> the way viewer does pretty mini-map is draw a quad and textue it with a world map tile
2014-06-24 04:30 <lkalif> so if I request it from the region directly, I can get the whole region in a single image?
2014-06-24 04:33 <diva> I"m not sure, I'd have to look at what happens from the point of specifying the image in the .ini
2014-06-24 04:33 <diva> that's how we spec it, in Regions.ini, and it's 1 large image there
2014-06-24 04:33 <diva> I'd have to check if it's chopped up immediately or if it gets sent to the asset server as a large image too
2014-06-24 04:37 <AliciaRaven> lkalif, i just tested it and it does send the full image
2014-06-24 04:38 <lkalif> when requested from the region via uuid?
2014-06-24 04:38 <AliciaRaven> http://127.0.0.1:9000/index.php?method=regionImage2f5347582c024dd443b44110b81ccd8e
2014-06-24 04:38 <AliciaRaven> yes
2014-06-24 04:39 <AliciaRaven> larger image size and it covers the full region, no chopping :)
2014-06-24 04:39 <lkalif> that could be a solution
2014-06-24 04:44 <diva> do you prefer to get it as png or as jp2?
2014-06-24 04:45 <lkalif> server map tiles are jpeg, old fashion ones are jp2
2014-06-24 05:06 <nebadon> i dont think any of the old fashion viewers would work on vars anyway
2014-06-24 05:07 <LiruCookies> We can check !isAurora
2014-06-24 05:07 <LiruCookies> I suppose
2014-06-24 05:08 <diva> I see that the image is also sent to the asset server as a whole. I don't know when the UUID is sent to the viewer
2014-06-24 05:09 <diva> but given that the image is there, you can get it with a regular texture requests
2014-06-24 05:14 <nebadon> your doing this for minimap?
2014-06-24 06:17 <Trinity93> i was wondering something
2014-06-24 06:17 <Trinity93> if i remeber right the maps are created useing a sort of virtual camera at hight
2014-06-24 06:17 <Trinity93> per region
2014-06-24 06:18 <Trinity93> sp why not treat every 256x256 of a var as a region for the map
2014-06-24 06:18 <Trinity93> for tile rendering if thats nt hw its areayd done
2014-06-24 08:08 -!- Aramis^(~someone@c-71-57-139-42.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has left #opensim-dev
2014-06-24 09:45 <osmantis> Bug #7233:04 Warp 3d error on console Position beyond EOF 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7233 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-24 11:03 <Aleric> I think I asked before, but I forgot :( ... How can I print debug output from opensim? m_log.DebugFormat(... doesn't seem to give any output :/
2014-06-24 11:32 <Aleric> I have not a single '[GRID USER SERVICE]' line in my log file :/
2014-06-24 11:32 <Aleric> help!
2014-06-24 11:32 <Aleric> :p
2014-06-24 11:32 <Dev_Random> Aleric:  are you set for DEBUG in your log config file?  OpenSim.exe.config or whatever it is....
2014-06-24 11:33 <Aleric> I think so, I have other DEBUG level output. Let me check.
2014-06-24 11:34 <Aleric>     <root>
2014-06-24 11:34 <Aleric>       <level value="DEBUG" />
2014-06-24 11:34 <Aleric>       <appender-ref ref="Console" />
2014-06-24 11:34 <Aleric>       <appender-ref ref="LogFileAppender" />
2014-06-24 11:34 <Aleric>     </root>
2014-06-24 11:34 <Aleric> That?
2014-06-24 11:35 <Dev_Random> that's the one.   
2014-06-24 11:35 <Dev_Random> not sure beyond that.... had to take a shot at the easy one though....
2014-06-24 11:35 <Aleric> That would control the output level of OpenSim/Services/UserAccountService/GridUserService.cs ?
2014-06-24 11:36 <Dev_Random> a separate entry like <logger name=" OpenSim.Services.UserAccountService.GridUserService"> 
2014-06-24 11:37 <Dev_Random> the default file has example entry "Independently control logging level....."
2014-06-24 11:38 <Aleric> Yeah, but when that is not there then shouldn't the default be DEBUG?
2014-06-24 11:38 <Dev_Random> should be.  I don't know what might be blocking other output there.
2014-06-24 11:46 <Dev_Random> Alerric:  are you looking in Robust log?
2014-06-24 11:47 <Aleric> no
2014-06-24 11:47 <Aleric> Is that part of Robust?
2014-06-24 11:47 <Dev_Random> pretty sure
2014-06-24 11:47 <Aleric> Ah!
2014-06-24 11:47 <Dev_Random> GRID USER CONNECTOR for regions
2014-06-24 11:48 <Aleric> The real problem is this:
2014-06-24 11:48 <Aleric> [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE] No grid user info found for Timmy Songbird 355c28f3-0955...etc
2014-06-24 11:49 <Aleric> This is printed by:
2014-06-24 11:50 <Aleric> TeleportHome() ... when GridUserInfo uinfo = Scene.GridUserService.GetGridUserInfo(client.AgentId.ToString()); returns a GridUserInfo with uinfo.HomeRegionID == UUID.Zero
2014-06-24 11:51 <Aleric> So, I looked for the Scene.GridUserService.GetGridUserInfo function... which is here (I think):
2014-06-24 11:52 <Aleric> welll.. ok basically I can't find it because there are 13 GetGridUserInfo() functions :/
2014-06-24 11:52 <Aleric> If GridUserService is part of Robust then I'm lost.
2014-06-24 11:52 <Dev_Random> can try on a standalone?
2014-06-24 11:52 <Aleric> No
2014-06-24 11:53 <Aleric> That wouldn't help, this is caused by a corruption somewhere that happened when we loaded a new module. The admin says it can't have been that module (it was), so now I have to find more details to exactly pin point the problem that was have now.
2014-06-24 11:54 <Aleric> What source file and line is that GetGridUserInfo function declared in?
2014-06-24 11:54 <Dev_Random> not sure... I don't have source available right now
2014-06-24 11:54 <Dev_Random> may need to wait for the late-nighters to wake up
2014-06-24 11:55 <Aleric> I can tell you the 13 places where a function with that name is declared :p
2014-06-24 11:55 <Aleric> im/OpenSim/Region/CoreModules/ServiceConnectorsOut/GridUser/LocalGridUserServiceConnector.cs is the first
2014-06-24 11:56 <osmantis> Bug #7229:04 Teleport from Var to normal sim, both with latest dev master and Viewer locks up about 10-15 secs after TP completes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7229 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-24 11:56 <Aleric> Basically that's OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.ServiceConnectorsOut.GridUser.LocalGridUserServicesConnector.GetGridUserInfo
2014-06-24 11:56 <Aleric> So, I guess that's not the one.
2014-06-24 11:57 <Aleric> The second is in the same place, but takes a different argument - so that's not the one either.
2014-06-24 11:57 <Dev_Random> I'd guess it's not a Connector you're looking for.
2014-06-24 11:58 <Aleric> #4: in m/OpenSim/Region/CoreModules/ServiceConnectorsOut/GridUser/RemoteGridUserServiceConnector.cs ... being OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.ServiceConnectorsOut.GridUser.RemoteGridUserServicesConnector.GetGridUserInfo
2014-06-24 11:58 <Aleric> also not it thus
2014-06-24 11:58 <Aleric> #5: same as #4 with wrong argument.. so also not it.
2014-06-24 11:59 <Aleric> #6: ~/opensim/OpenSim/Services/Connectors/GridUser/GridUserServicesConnector.cs .. being OpenSim.Services.Connectors.GridUserServicesConnector.GetGridUserInfo
2014-06-24 11:59 <Aleric> also not it then, still a connector.
2014-06-24 11:59 <Aleric> #7: same as #6 with wrong argument
2014-06-24 12:00 <Dev_Random> I don't know about that Connector statement.... just guessing.  
2014-06-24 12:00 <Aleric> #8: ~/opensim/OpenSim/Services/Connectors/SimianGrid/SimianPresenceServiceConnector.cs being OpenSim.Services.Connectors.SimianGrid.SimianPresenceServiceConnector.GetGridUserInfo
2014-06-24 12:00 <Aleric> definitely not thus.
2014-06-24 12:01 <Aleric> #9: same as #8 with wrong arument
2014-06-24 12:02 <Aleric> #10: OpenSim/Services/Interfaces/IGridUserService.cs being: OpenSim.Services.Interfaces.IGridUserService.GetGridUserInfo
2014-06-24 12:02 <Dev_Random> is an interface... so not there.
2014-06-24 12:02 <Aleric> #11: same as #10 with wrong argument.
2014-06-24 12:04 <Aleric> #12: in OpenSim/Services/UserAccountService/GridUserService.cs being OpenSim.Services.UserAccountService.GridUserService.GetGridUserInfo
2014-06-24 12:04 <Dev_Random> that looks promising
2014-06-24 12:04 <Aleric> I mis counted somewhere cause there are two left.. but both have the wrong argument.  So this #12 has to be the one.
2014-06-24 12:08 <Aleric> However... I can't see how a call to Scene.GridUserService.GetGridUserInfo ends up calling OpenSim.Services.UserAccountService.GridUserService.GetGridUserInfo ?
2014-06-24 12:08 <Aleric> So, is this the one or not?
2014-06-24 12:11 <Dev_Random> I would imagine so.  I expect that Scene.GridUserService is a connector that makes a call to Robust... ending up at that one.
2014-06-24 12:11 <Aleric> no no no :/
2014-06-24 12:11 <Dev_Random> okay.. as I said.. I'm guessing.
2014-06-24 12:11 <Aleric> I want to follow the code
2014-06-24 12:12 <Aleric> if it ends up there, on a REMOTE machine, then clear some other code was called first :p
2014-06-24 12:12 <Aleric> clearly*
2014-06-24 12:12 <Dev_Random> agreed... probably best to wait for someone who actually knows the code and isn't speculating
2014-06-24 12:41 <Aleric> Dev_Random: the good old method..
2014-06-24 12:41 <Aleric> 12:40:18 - [TSB]: *** WE GET HERE 5 ***
2014-06-24 12:41 <Aleric> 12:40:18 - [TSB]: *** WE GET HERE 1 ***
2014-06-24 12:41 <Aleric> 12:40:19 - [USER MANAGEMENT MODULE]: No grid user found for a683cc8a-a5cc-4c40-87bc-ebcfbcfb1456
2014-06-24 12:52 <Aleric> Ok, I finally got some data.
2014-06-24 12:53 <Aleric> The remote robust server replies this:
2014-06-24 12:53 <Aleric> 12:51:04 - [GRID USER CONNECTOR]: queryString = VERSIONMIN=0&VERSIONMAX=0&METHOD=getgriduserinfo&UserID=355c28f3-0955-466f-b617-5b818826be8c
2014-06-24 12:53 <Aleric> 12:51:04 - [GRID USER CONNECTOR]: reply = <?xml version="1.0"?><ServerResponse><result type="List"><UserID>355c28f3-0955-466f-b617-5b818826be8c;/;Timmy Songbird</UserID><HomeRegionID>00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000</HomeRegionID><HomePosition>&lt;0, 0, 0&gt;</HomePosition><HomeLookAt>&lt;0, 0, 0&gt;</HomeLookAt><LastRegionID>b0eb6595-521e-4151-9606-23f677dc2689</LastRegionID><LastPosition>&lt;210.6939, 18.9902, 91.63084&gt;</LastPosition><LastLook
2014-06-24 12:53 <Aleric> At>&lt;0, 0, 0&gt;</LastLookAt><Online>False</Online><Login>1/1/1970 12:00:00 AM</Login><Logout>6/22/2014 11:26:50 PM</Logout></result></ServerResponse>
2014-06-24 12:53 <Aleric> 12:51:04 - [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: No grid user info found for Timmy Songbird 355c28f3-0955-466f-b617-5b818826be8c. Cannot send home.
2014-06-24 12:53 <Aleric> The latter is - of course - caused by the fact that no home position is set: <HomeRegionID>00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000</HomeRegionID> in the reply.
2014-06-24 12:54 <Aleric> So.. the remaining question is now: why can't I set a new home position?
2014-06-24 12:57 <Dev_Random> possibly related to  http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6986 ? 
2014-06-24 12:57 <Dev_Random> would need DB access to check....
2014-06-24 12:59 <H-H-H> just as an interesting side note why is login not the right time
2014-06-24 13:00 <Aleric> Dev_Random: Yes, that is probably the case. Annoying that I don't have access to the robust database :/
2014-06-24 13:02 <Dev_Random> maybe you can point your admin at that mantis, and ask them to look?
2014-06-24 13:05 <Aleric> Hmm, now I forgot again how to convert queryString = VERSIONMIN=0&VERSIONMAX=0&METHOD=getgriduserinfo&UserID=355c28f3-0955-466f-b617-5b818826be8c to a curl command line :/
2014-06-24 13:07 <Aleric> Ah I got it.
2014-06-24 13:13 <osmantis> Bug #7234:04 Incorrect Permissions Error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7234 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-24 13:22 <lkalif> NickyP: where do I find old imprudence source code?
2014-06-24 13:25 <NickyP> https://github.com/imprudence/imprudence lkalif https://sourceforge.net/p/team-purple/imprudence/tickets/?source=navbar
2014-06-24 13:26 <lkalif> NickyP: thanks you!
2014-06-24 14:10 <lkalif> Lindens are really pushing Oculus Rift in the media blitz
2014-06-24 14:11 <NickyP> Melanie_: since you have admin rights on both Avination and osgrid I was wondering if you could help me with https://sourceforge.net/p/team-purple/kokua/tickets/282/ sometimes it hangs  getting region data.sometimes at scene presence.
2014-06-24 14:12 <lkalif> NickyP: I don't think she's OSGrid
2014-06-24 14:12 <NickyP> log shows Wright Plaza with her as admin
2014-06-24 14:13 <NickyP> sometime back though
2014-06-24 14:13 <lkalif> "Virtual world Second Life to be reincarnated, with Oculus Rift" http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/24/second-life-oculus-rift-virtual-world
2014-06-24 14:15 <nebadon> most of the developers have admin rights on OSgrid
2014-06-24 14:15 <nebadon> the core team
2014-06-24 14:52 <osmantis> Bug #7229:04 Teleport from Var to normal sim, both with latest dev master and Viewer locks up about 10-15 secs after TP completes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7229 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-24 15:03 <osmantis> Bug #7235:04 [PATCH]Bulletsim-- Implement VEHICLE_FLAG_LIMIT_ROLL_ONLY into the first and default Vertical Attractor. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7235 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-24 15:03 <osmantis> Bug #7235:04 [PATCH]Bulletsim-- Implement VEHICLE_FLAG_LIMIT_ROLL_ONLY into the first and default Vertical Attractor. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7235 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-06-24 17:55 <Stephanies> Attempting to compile from source, following instructions, I run the runprebuild.bat,  it makes a compile.bat but, i get an error when it tries to run the prebuild.exe saying system cannot execute the specified program.  atempting to compile on w7 x64, with vs2010 / 2012 installed
2014-06-24 17:56 <Plugh> What is the error message?
2014-06-24 17:56 <Plugh> Does it say which program it cannot execute?
2014-06-24 17:57 <Plugh> Check whether the program(s) is/are in your search path.
2014-06-24 17:58 <Stephanies> bin\Prebuild.exe /target nant
2014-06-24 17:58 <Stephanies> bin\Prebuild.exe /target vs2010
2014-06-24 18:02 <osmantis> Bug #7231:04 Avatars sitting on rotating child prims no longer rotate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7231 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-06-24 18:47 <lkalif> everything Collada related is super extra complicated
2014-06-24 18:48 <AllenKerensky> more or less than VRML2/97 or X3D?
2014-06-24 18:48 <lkalif> didn't try those, but trying to make a collada parser / mesh importer
2014-06-24 19:01 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Adding mesh import to Radegast?
2014-06-24 19:22 <lkalif> yes. also bulk import
2014-06-24 19:22 <LiruCookies> Bulk? Nice
2014-06-24 19:23 <lkalif> nebadon wants to import 100 meshes at once
2014-06-24 19:23 <nebadon> pfft
2014-06-24 19:23 <nebadon> try 1000s
2014-06-24 19:24 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-24 19:24 <lkalif> well I manged to generate c# classes from Collada 1.4.1 specification XSD
2014-06-24 19:24 <nebadon> nice
2014-06-24 19:25 <lkalif> it creates 38000 line c# file for the parser
2014-06-24 19:26 <nebadon> sheesh
2014-06-24 19:26 <lkalif> nebadon: I know you gave me a sample .dae you're importing
2014-06-24 19:26 <lkalif> but I lost it, could I have another one?
2014-06-24 19:26 <nebadon> hmm ya
2014-06-24 19:26 <nebadon> let me see what i have
2014-06-24 19:27 <nebadon> probably still in same place it was before when i sent it let me look
2014-06-24 19:27 <nebadon> it is indeed
2014-06-24 19:27 <lkalif> thanks
2014-06-24 19:28 <nebadon> see im for url
2014-06-24 19:29 <lkalif> these are 1 object per file?
2014-06-24 19:29 <nebadon> you know i dont remember
2014-06-24 19:29 <nebadon> i dont think so
2014-06-24 19:29 <lkalif> I hope they are :P
2014-06-24 19:29 <nebadon> let me look at the zip
2014-06-24 19:29 <lkalif> I should make me a standalone for this
2014-06-24 19:30 <nebadon> no its 4 objects per .dae
2014-06-24 19:30 <nebadon> and 2 dae files
2014-06-24 19:30 <nebadon> I think
2014-06-24 19:30 <nebadon> let me verify that
2014-06-24 19:30 <nebadon> yes i was correct
2014-06-24 19:30 <nebadon> 4 objects per dae
2014-06-24 19:30 <nebadon> normally its 36 though
2014-06-24 19:31 <nebadon> for our current level of terrain we use
2014-06-24 19:31 <nebadon> basically 36 tiles per 768x768m square
2014-06-24 19:31 <nebadon> but its likely going to be much higher on other objects
2014-06-24 19:31 <nebadon> like the pod car tracks
2014-06-24 19:32 <nebadon> those could potentially be 100s of peices per collada file
2014-06-24 19:33 <nebadon> however thats not to say we cant generate things differently either
2014-06-24 19:33 <nebadon> the only reason we try to currently jam so much into 1 dae is because of the manual labor involved otherwise
2014-06-24 19:34 <lkalif> 4 objects, do they have multiple faces?
2014-06-24 19:34 <nebadon> no
2014-06-24 19:34 <nebadon> at this point the most any object will ever had is 1 face
2014-06-24 19:35 <nebadon> that may however not be true forever
2014-06-24 19:35 <nebadon> but for now and forseeable future it will only be 1
2014-06-24 19:36 <lkalif> and remind me, SL viewer imports them as a linkset,if they are more than 1 object in .dae=
2014-06-24 19:36 <lkalif> ?
2014-06-24 19:36 <nebadon> right
2014-06-24 19:36 <nebadon> and in a very horrible way
2014-06-24 19:36 <nebadon> it randomly picks what the root prim is
2014-06-24 19:36 <nebadon> omg i cant tell you how much that makes me want to punch someone
2014-06-24 19:36 <lkalif> lol
2014-06-24 19:41 <lkalif> hmm, diva is not around
2014-06-24 19:42 <nebadon> no
2014-06-24 19:42 <nebadon> she will be in Mexico this week
2014-06-24 19:42 <nebadon> wont be around for a few days
2014-06-24 19:42 <nebadon> she may check in occasionally though, not sure
2014-06-24 19:43 <lkalif> someone should fix mesh import to generate texture inventory items
2014-06-24 19:43 <nebadon> ya that would be nice
2014-06-24 19:43 <lkalif> SL does it that way
2014-06-24 19:43 <nebadon> ah nice
2014-06-24 19:43 <nebadon> i didnt know that
2014-06-24 19:44 <nebadon> they do that all server side eh?
2014-06-24 19:44 <lkalif> yes
2014-06-24 19:44 <lkalif> well textures are uploaded anyway, you have UUIDs
2014-06-24 19:44 <lkalif> so it costs nothing to generate inventory items for them
2014-06-24 19:44 <nebadon> right
2014-06-24 19:44 <lkalif> assets get generated 
2014-06-24 19:44 <nebadon> cant imagine that would be to difficult
2014-06-24 19:44 <dahlia> I remember I wrote a collada mesh parser in c# a few years ago but I cant find it anywhere :(
2014-06-24 19:45 <lkalif> dahlia: I just wrote one
2014-06-24 19:45 <lkalif> well, generated from the spec directly
2014-06-24 19:45 <dahlia> generated?
2014-06-24 19:45 <lkalif> yeah. from XSD spec
2014-06-24 19:45 <dahlia> ah
2014-06-24 19:47 <dahlia> somewhere also I have a copy of fcollada from before it went closed source but thats c++
2014-06-24 19:48 <dahlia> I wonder if assimp does collada?
2014-06-24 19:48 <lkalif> that's c++ too
2014-06-24 19:48 <lkalif> and it does
2014-06-24 20:07 <osmantis> Bug #7236:04 [Script] PRIM_PHANTOM does not work for a single prim in a linkset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7236 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2014-06-24 20:38 <lkalif> hmm, so it recalculates object positions in order to put origin to object center
2014-06-24 20:39 <lkalif> t hurts my head :P
2014-06-24 20:59 <dahlia> ya probably computes a bounding box and takes the center
2014-06-24 21:00 <dahlia> I think it also scales the axes independantly so its a unit bounding box
2014-06-24 21:00 <nebadon> lkalif it shouldnt be using center of mass
2014-06-24 21:00 <nebadon> it should be using whatever the origin that blender sets
2014-06-24 21:00 <nebadon> this is very vital for alignment purposes
2014-06-24 21:01 <dahlia> no the viewer moves the center at upload
2014-06-24 21:01 <nebadon> no it doesnt
2014-06-24 21:01 <dahlia> I think it does
2014-06-24 21:01 <nebadon> not from my experience it doesnt
2014-06-24 21:01 <nebadon> it uses whatever I set in blender
2014-06-24 21:01 <nebadon> this is vital
2014-06-24 21:01 <lkalif> it does
2014-06-24 21:01 <nebadon> using center of mass breaks them
2014-06-24 21:01 <nebadon> really?
2014-06-24 21:01 <nebadon> it shouldnt be
2014-06-24 21:01 <dahlia> its not center of mass, its center of bounds
2014-06-24 21:01 <nebadon> it never did for me previously
2014-06-24 21:01 <lkalif> look at that dae you gave me
2014-06-24 21:02 <lkalif> it always has
2014-06-24 21:02 <nebadon> it shouldnt be either
2014-06-24 21:02 <nebadon> maybe it does that if one is not speifically defined
2014-06-24 21:02 <lkalif> nebadon: your memory is failing you :P
2014-06-24 21:02 <nebadon> no way
2014-06-24 21:02 <lkalif> import that .dae you gave me
2014-06-24 21:02 <nebadon> because it would be absolutely impossible for me to align them
2014-06-24 21:02 <vegaslon> ya I had to usually add vertices to change the center location
2014-06-24 21:02 <lkalif> and see where each "prim" center is
2014-06-24 21:02 <nebadon> im wondering if that dae i gave you is too old
2014-06-24 21:02 <nebadon> it may be
2014-06-24 21:02 <lkalif> just go see it
2014-06-24 21:03 <nebadon> i have uploaded 1000s of these tiles
2014-06-24 21:03 <nebadon> no way my memory is faulty
2014-06-24 21:03 <lkalif> I can see in blender that the origin for all 4 objects is south west corner
2014-06-24 21:03 <lkalif> nebadon: go see it
2014-06-24 21:03 <nebadon> ok then those tiles i gave you are bad
2014-06-24 21:03 <nebadon> because it should not be that in blender
2014-06-24 21:03 <nebadon> that means its not been set
2014-06-24 21:03 <nebadon> let me send you newer tiles
2014-06-24 21:03 <nebadon> oh you know what
2014-06-24 21:04 <nebadon> your right 
2014-06-24 21:04 <nebadon> sort of
2014-06-24 21:04 <lkalif> nebadon: in blender all 4 objects have same origin
2014-06-24 21:04 <nebadon> we actually changed how we do it now
2014-06-24 21:04 <dahlia> lol
2014-06-24 21:04 <nebadon> now we are using an anchor point
2014-06-24 21:04 <nebadon> but 
2014-06-24 21:04 <lkalif> in world they all get their new origins
2014-06-24 21:04 <nebadon> that doesnt change the fact that if you set the origin in blender
2014-06-24 21:04 <nebadon> that the viewer wont respect it
2014-06-24 21:04 <nebadon> let me post you a sample
2014-06-24 21:04 <nebadon> 1 sec
2014-06-24 21:04 <lkalif> at the center of each "prim"
2014-06-24 21:05 <nebadon> 1 sec
2014-06-24 21:05 <lkalif> nebadon: just import it in world and look at the object centers
2014-06-24 21:05 <dahlia> the viewer translates and scales the vertices of the mesh to make it all fit in a unit cube
2014-06-24 21:05 <dahlia> just like a prim
2014-06-24 21:05 <lkalif> dahlia: so i calculate bounding box, unsacaled, find center, and record that as the offset, right?
2014-06-24 21:06 <dahlia> yes but I think you also need to scale each axis independently so they range from -.5 to .5
2014-06-24 21:07 <nebadon> try this one
2014-06-24 21:07 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/collada/origin_test1.dae
2014-06-24 21:07 <lkalif> nebadon: i will not try anythig until you pause and listen to me
2014-06-24 21:07 <nebadon> sure
2014-06-24 21:07 <lkalif> nebadon: import that object with viewer, and take a look at where each individual "prim" center is
2014-06-24 21:07 <lkalif> don't look n blender
2014-06-24 21:07 <lkalif> look inworld
2014-06-24 21:08 <dahlia> rez a prim at the exact same coordinages
2014-06-24 21:08 <dahlia> coordinates
2014-06-24 21:08 <dahlia> you'll find it at the center of your mesh
2014-06-24 21:08 <nebadon> hmm
2014-06-24 21:08 <nebadon> it used to not be this way
2014-06-24 21:08 <nebadon> wtf
2014-06-24 21:08 <dahlia> this is critical
2014-06-24 21:08 <lkalif> also your mesh is quads
2014-06-24 21:09 <lkalif> could you make it any more difficult lol
2014-06-24 21:09 <nebadon> because when i first started doing terrains in mesh
2014-06-24 21:09 <nebadon> I couldnt get them aligned correctly
2014-06-24 21:09 <nebadon> unless i specified the same origin on each one
2014-06-24 21:09 <nebadon> i dont understand why its not doing that now
2014-06-24 21:09 <nebadon> hmm ya we can fix that probably lkalif
2014-06-24 21:09 <nebadon> we may have already actually i dont recall
2014-06-24 21:09 <lkalif> it hals always been like that, sine they introduced mesh import
2014-06-24 21:10 <nebadon> the software that generates this stuff was created by us
2014-06-24 21:10 <nebadon> its not blender
2014-06-24 21:10 <dahlia> nebadon: stil the mesh asset has its center adjusted
2014-06-24 21:10 <nebadon> so we can likely change it to accomidate that
2014-06-24 21:10 <nebadon> ya i did just try what i made
2014-06-24 21:10 <nebadon> and i am very confused
2014-06-24 21:10 <nebadon> it didnt always work this way, i am certain
2014-06-24 21:11 <dahlia> benke's software probably compensates for this
2014-06-24 21:11 <lkalif> it has always woked this way
2014-06-24 21:11 <nebadon> i definitely have objects in my inventory some where that can prove that statemt wrong
2014-06-24 21:11 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-24 21:11 <nebadon> maybe it was a bug in opensim though
2014-06-24 21:11 <djphil> if you can make a mesh origin in opensim identical to the origin of the mesh in blender it would be wonderful :)
2014-06-24 21:11 <dahlia> no, the viewer does it at upload
2014-06-24 21:11 <nebadon> i have several objects where the cross hairs are like 50 meters from the actual object
2014-06-24 21:11 <lkalif> nebadon: your memory is faulty :P
2014-06-24 21:12 <lkalif> nebadon: you can cheat that with stray invisible vertices
2014-06-24 21:12 <nebadon> no these are single prim items
2014-06-24 21:12 <nebadon> you know
2014-06-24 21:12 <nebadon> maybe that was the difference
2014-06-24 21:12 <nebadon> back then i did 1 tile at a time
2014-06-24 21:12 <vegaslon> you can put two vertices far off and the veiwer will not see them but will calculate the center with them there
2014-06-24 21:12 <nebadon> let me test something
2014-06-24 21:12 <dahlia> lol
2014-06-24 21:13 <djphil> vertex is not suffusant, must be small cube
2014-06-24 21:13 <vegaslon> a line will work
2014-06-24 21:13 <djphil> I tested this with a propeller 5 branch
2014-06-24 21:13 <dahlia> nebadon: it has to work this way in order for SL to enforce their limits
2014-06-24 21:14 <lkalif> I guess I could write mesh importer where optionally you get to keep origin
2014-06-24 21:14 <nebadon> you know i wonder
2014-06-24 21:14 <lkalif> with a price of small loss of precision
2014-06-24 21:14 <dahlia> no dont
2014-06-24 21:14 <nebadon> if it wasa an older version of blender that was the problem
2014-06-24 21:14 <nebadon> that had older collada
2014-06-24 21:14 <dahlia> the moved origins are a good thing
2014-06-24 21:14 <nebadon> let me try that
2014-06-24 21:15 <dahlia> the mesh needs to be constrained somehow or it could cause problems with physics 
2014-06-24 21:15 <lkalif> dahlia: what would be bad in me allowing to keep origin? except for the small loss in precision?
2014-06-24 21:15 <lkalif> ah, I see
2014-06-24 21:16 <lkalif> I also have to figure out how to move vertices with a tranform matrix
2014-06-24 21:17 <dahlia> with the adjusted origin and bounds, the mesh is of a predictable size, Unconstrained, it could be anything
2014-06-24 21:17 <lkalif> collada allows tranform matrix to be specified for every object
2014-06-24 21:18 <dahlia> does it move the mesh or does it move the vertices
2014-06-24 21:18 <dahlia> I suspect it just moves the whole mesh
2014-06-24 21:19 <lkalif> yes, but I need to move vertices
2014-06-24 21:19 <dahlia> I think moving vertices would be a bad idea
2014-06-24 21:19 <dahlia> you want each mesh to be a unit cube
2014-06-24 21:20 <lkalif> I was thinkingn to move vertices (apply the matix) before finding bouding box and center
2014-06-24 21:20 <lkalif> and constructing a indentity cube mesh
2014-06-24 21:20 <dahlia> somehow I doubt thats what viewer does
2014-06-24 21:21 <dahlia> each mesh asset needs to be a unit cube bounding box
2014-06-24 21:21 <lkalif> yes, I get that
2014-06-24 21:22 <lkalif> to upload mesh I need to construct prim data, including position, rotation and the mesh asset
2014-06-24 21:22 <lkalif> the asset is identity cube bounded mesh
2014-06-24 21:23 <dahlia> ya and translate/rotate/scale happens after the unit mesh asset is created
2014-06-24 21:23 <lkalif> so I add the two translations?
2014-06-24 21:23 <lkalif> one comes from the tranfom matrix
2014-06-24 21:24 <lkalif> the other comes from calculating new center compared to origin 
2014-06-24 21:24 <dahlia> you would not want to do any transforms to each mesh asset other than making it fit a unit cube
2014-06-24 21:25 <lkalif> it's easy for a singl mesh in collada file
2014-06-24 21:25 <dahlia> ya
2014-06-24 21:25 <lkalif> but for multiple objects there needs to be some relation among them
2014-06-24 21:25 <dahlia> yes
2014-06-24 21:25 <dahlia> but not encoded in the assets
2014-06-24 21:26 <lkalif> yeah I get that part
2014-06-24 21:26 <dahlia> k
2014-06-24 21:28 <lkalif> need to setup standalone, don't want to polute osgrid asset server with gazillion test mesh assets ;)
2014-06-24 21:29 <dahlia> why not? nebadon does ;)
2014-06-24 21:29 <lkalif> lol
2014-06-24 21:29 <nebadon> heh
2014-06-24 21:29 <nebadon> standalone is probably a bit faster to work on
2014-06-24 21:30 <nebadon> though usually if i am doing a local test setup i go full tilt and just setup a whole grid locally
2014-06-24 21:30 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-24 21:30 <nebadon> i just cant bring myself to use standalone
2014-06-24 21:30 <dahlia> I do stuff like this in standalones that way its easy to just wipe the db and start over
2014-06-24 21:30 <lkalif> I wonder if viewer importer does triangulation of the quads during upload
2014-06-24 21:30 <nebadon> I think so
2014-06-24 21:30 <dahlia> ya assets are only triangles
2014-06-24 21:32 <dahlia> probably a good idea to make sure you split the quad the same way viewer does it
2014-06-24 21:32 <lkalif> 123 341 
2014-06-24 21:32 <lkalif> i hope
2014-06-24 21:32 <dahlia> I remember someone getting upset once when primmesher did it from the opposite corners as viewer :P
2014-06-24 21:32 <nebadon> also just for reference your not this far along yet
2014-06-24 21:32 <nebadon> but eventually you will ask
2014-06-24 21:33 <nebadon> with the mesh terrains and generally everyting we will be uploading this way, on the physics tab
2014-06-24 21:33 <nebadon> i do not select high, med low lowest etc..
2014-06-24 21:33 <nebadon> i do from file
2014-06-24 21:33 <nebadon> and just select the same file 
2014-06-24 21:33 <nebadon> its the only way i dont get artifacts 
2014-06-24 21:33 <nebadon> otherwise your feet sink into the terrain
2014-06-24 21:33 <nebadon> or you get invisible walls
2014-06-24 21:33 <dahlia> ya make sure physics mesh has no more than 32767 triangles
2014-06-24 21:34 <lkalif> doesn't opensim do that automatically?
2014-06-24 21:34 <nebadon> no
2014-06-24 21:34 <nebadon> it does whatever the viewer sends it
2014-06-24 21:34 <nebadon> it uses the viewer LOD
2014-06-24 21:34 <nebadon> if you tell viewer to generate physics
2014-06-24 21:34 <dahlia> opensim uses physics mesh first if it finds it, otherwise it tries to find a LOD that might work
2014-06-24 21:34 <dahlia> for bullet it also looks for hulls
2014-06-24 21:34 <nebadon> well in the viewer you have to specify LOD
2014-06-24 21:34 <nebadon> for one of the physics levels
2014-06-24 21:35 <lkalif> but if I upload just high load, and eveything else empty... won't it use that one lod?
2014-06-24 21:35 <nebadon> if your having viewer generate the physics
2014-06-24 21:35 <nebadon> not sure honestly
2014-06-24 21:35 <nebadon> i always just use load from file
2014-06-24 21:35 <nebadon> and pick the same file i uploaded
2014-06-24 21:35 <nebadon> it seems to yeild the best results
2014-06-24 21:35 <dahlia> if you upload high and its too big, you probably wont get physics
2014-06-24 21:35 <lkalif> that will make the asset twice as big
2014-06-24 21:35 <nebadon> right, these tiles none of them exceed i think 16k vertices
2014-06-24 21:35 <dahlia> and reducing a mesh isnt simple
2014-06-24 21:36 <jakdaniels> bullet uses a hull if there's no physics, ode doesn't
2014-06-24 21:36 <nebadon> they are 256x256 vertics
2014-06-24 21:36 <nebadon> each tile
2014-06-24 21:36 <nebadon> so we want max resolution
2014-06-24 21:36 <nebadon> which is basically just read the same file
2014-06-24 21:36 <nebadon> if i try to use lower
2014-06-24 21:36 <nebadon> i get artifacts too
2014-06-24 21:36 <nebadon> iuts not only higher that is bad
2014-06-24 21:36 <nebadon> its anything but exactly what the mesh has
2014-06-24 21:36 <nebadon> the viewer tends to clober them
2014-06-24 21:37 <lkalif> 256x256 is too big for physics
2014-06-24 21:37 <dahlia> yes
2014-06-24 21:37 <nebadon> not from my experience
2014-06-24 21:37 <nebadon> thats exactly what i use
2014-06-24 21:37 <nebadon> and if i use anything else its bad
2014-06-24 21:37 <nebadon> let me check the latest ones
2014-06-24 21:37 <lkalif> tha 128k triangles
2014-06-24 21:37 <nebadon> we have gone through several levels of this 1 sec
2014-06-24 21:38 <dahlia> well maybe bullet is turning them into hulls or something
2014-06-24 21:38 <dahlia> its way too big for ode
2014-06-24 21:38 <nebadon> ya no more ode
2014-06-24 21:38 <nebadon> probably would break ode
2014-06-24 21:38 <dahlia> woudnt break, just wouldnt work
2014-06-24 21:39 <dahlia> but 256x256 mesh collider is a LOT of work for the physics engine to do when testing collisions
2014-06-24 21:39 <nebadon> ok i was wrong
2014-06-24 21:40 <nebadon> the previous tiles we were using were 256x256
2014-06-24 21:40 <nebadon> we were doing 4 of those
2014-06-24 21:40 <nebadon> and that did work
2014-06-24 21:40 <nebadon> but our latest tiles are 32 64x64
2014-06-24 21:40 <nebadon> now i remember why it was causing problems in our tool
2014-06-24 21:40 <nebadon> with memory
2014-06-24 21:40 <nebadon> using the 256x256
2014-06-24 21:40 <dahlia> ya I thought I remember asking benke to make them smaller
2014-06-24 21:40 <nebadon> ya
2014-06-24 21:41 <nebadon> we also had problems with our tool
2014-06-24 21:41 <nebadon> it worked with small terrains
2014-06-24 21:41 <lkalif> so you have one collada file with 32 objects in them?
2014-06-24 21:41 <nebadon> but when we started getting into 2x3 miles wide
2014-06-24 21:41 <nebadon> it started breaking
2014-06-24 21:41 <nebadon> yes for each simulator
2014-06-24 21:41 <nebadon> and each simulator is 768x768m
2014-06-24 21:41 <lkalif> can I have a sample of such file
2014-06-24 21:41 <nebadon> sure
2014-06-24 21:41 <nebadon> 1 moment
2014-06-24 21:42 <dahlia> 
ACTION is going out for a bit.. bbl, hourish

2014-06-24 21:42 <jakdaniels> I have used 8 columns of 32x256m tiles, each tile having 8 32x32m faces with 1024x1024px textures on each, in a 256x256m region
2014-06-24 21:44 <nebadon> lkalif see IM for link
2014-06-24 21:44 <lkalif> k
2014-06-24 21:55 <nebadon> ok I think I know where I was being confused with the center of mass thing
2014-06-24 21:56 <nebadon> if I didnt set the origin in blender
2014-06-24 21:56 <nebadon> blender was exporting them in a way that made what the center of mass the viewer was detecting not consistent
2014-06-24 21:57 <nebadon> it is actually putting them to the center of mass on these old terrains, but if I didnt do this blender it seems was actually what was causing the problems not the viewer
2014-06-24 21:57 <nebadon> i distinctly remember this step though because if I didnt do it, i was completely unable to re-align them before
2014-06-24 21:57 <nebadon> because they are planes
2014-06-24 21:57 <nebadon> not cubes
2014-06-24 21:58 <nebadon> so basically if i didnt set the origin in blender i couldnt put each tile at 128x128x30
2014-06-24 21:58 <nebadon> or whatever
2014-06-24 21:58 <nebadon> let me show you screenshot
2014-06-24 21:58 <nebadon> i was definitely able to manipulate this in the past
2014-06-24 22:00 <nebadon> I think i see what
2014-06-24 22:01 <nebadon> doing this in blender gave all of the mesh the same exact dimensions
2014-06-24 22:01 <nebadon> regardless of how large the object actually was
2014-06-24 22:01 <nebadon> it sets the bounding box in blender basically
2014-06-24 22:01 <nebadon> larger than the plane actually is
2014-06-24 22:01 <nebadon> i have a video i made some where documenting the entire process
2014-06-24 22:04 <nebadon> damn I think its on my old windows 7 machine
2014-06-24 22:04 <nebadon> which is sitting downstairs not hooked up
2014-06-24 22:04 <smxy> nebadon: when you create an npc, you save your appearace and then use that to make the NPC. From what I've read, that's supposed to include attachments, but mine do not have a copy of my hair or boots on. ...
2014-06-24 22:05 <smxy> Suggestions?
2014-06-24 22:05 <nebadon> so lkalif we were both right sort of lol technically you were 100% correct
2014-06-24 22:05 <nebadon> yes it should have attachments
2014-06-24 22:05 <nebadon> how are you generating the notecards?
2014-06-24 22:06 <smxy> sAgentSaveAppearance(llDetectedKey(0), "appearance");
2014-06-24 22:06 <smxy> there's supposed to be an o in front of that
2014-06-24 22:07 <smxy> I touch the cube, it generates the notecard, then uses it to make the npc
2014-06-24 22:07 <smxy> Looks just like me, but no hair or boots
2014-06-24 22:07 <nebadon> let me grab a copy of mine
2014-06-24 22:07 <nebadon> 1 sec
2014-06-24 22:08 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/bbSPhzhe
2014-06-24 22:09 <nebadon> thats all I am doing
2014-06-24 22:09 <nebadon> and it seems to work
2014-06-24 22:09 <smxy> hmm
2014-06-24 22:10 <nebadon> let me look at the rezzer
2014-06-24 22:11 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/kYXLDfQG
2014-06-24 22:12 <nebadon> might be a bit confusing that script
2014-06-24 22:12 <nebadon> I am storing all the varibales in the rezzer prim description field
2014-06-24 22:13 <nebadon> i hate having to edit scripts to change variables
2014-06-24 22:13 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-24 22:14 <smxy> I do the same with my teleport gates
2014-06-24 22:14 <smxy> Do you have an example description to go with that script?
2014-06-24 22:14 <nebadon> sure 1 sec
2014-06-24 22:15 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/JYLJTQ3t
2014-06-24 22:15 <smxy> thanks
2014-06-24 22:15 <smxy> You like to have them fall out of the sky I see. :)
2014-06-24 22:15 <nebadon> no problem
2014-06-24 22:15 <nebadon> yes
2014-06-24 22:15 <nebadon> i have mesh terrain
2014-06-24 22:15 <nebadon> so rezzing to closelt means they fall through
2014-06-24 22:15 <smxy> "It's raining men ... "
2014-06-24 22:16 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-24 22:18 <smxy> There must be a list of all the npc functions, yes? I keep having to add them as I run into them. It's getting old. :)
2014-06-24 22:19 <smxy> npc-related
2014-06-24 22:20 <nebadon> ya
2014-06-24 22:20 <nebadon> 1 sec
2014-06-24 22:20 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OSSLNPC
2014-06-24 22:20 <smxy> ah, I was at a different page
2014-06-24 22:20 <smxy> thanks
2014-06-24 22:21 <smxy> I'll allow all of these in my test region.
2014-06-24 22:23 <nebadon> cool well i hope it helps
2014-06-24 22:23 <smxy> ty
2014-06-24 22:23 <nebadon> and just so you know
2014-06-24 22:23 <nebadon> if you want to move these to other grids
2014-06-24 22:23 <nebadon> be sure to package all of the stuff that NPC is wearing inside the rezzer
2014-06-24 22:23 <nebadon> then its safe to move with iars
2014-06-24 22:23 <nebadon> and oars
2014-06-24 22:25 <smxy> I think I know what you mean. I'll just have to experiment. I'm not even sure what use they are to me, but I figured I should know how to make and use them. :)
2014-06-24 22:25 <nebadon> ya basically everything your avatar is wearing
2014-06-24 22:25 <nebadon> when you click the notecard creator
2014-06-24 22:25 <nebadon> put copies of that into the rezzer prim
2014-06-24 22:25 <nebadon> so copies exist in the region itself
2014-06-24 22:25 <smxy> I own what the npc wears?
2014-06-24 22:26 <nebadon> so if an oar gets created those outfits travel with the notecard
2014-06-24 22:26 <nebadon> yes whoever clicks the prim 
2014-06-24 22:26 <AllenKerensky> yeah the easiest way to make an NPC is dress like you want it to look and set all the attachments then save that as a notecard
2014-06-24 22:26 <nebadon> that generates the notecard
2014-06-24 22:26 <nebadon> right
2014-06-24 22:26 <nebadon> basically just dress your avatar up however you want NPC to appear
2014-06-24 22:26 <nebadon> and then click a prim with that first script i sent you
2014-06-24 22:27 <nebadon> it will make a notecard that will rez a NPC that looks exactly like you did when you clicked it
2014-06-24 22:27 <nebadon> but if you were to take that notecard to another grid
2014-06-24 22:27 <nebadon> without the actual assets
2014-06-24 22:27 <nebadon> it wouldnt work
2014-06-24 22:27 <nebadon> so if you just place copies of that entire outfit/appearance into the rezzer prim
2014-06-24 22:27 <nebadon> it will work no matter where that rezzer goes
2014-06-24 22:28 <smxy> I was in a Littlefield Grid region the other day, where the guy who owns it has all these naked women, with breasts bigger than bowling balls, running around his sim doing very adult things, and I'm just trying to imagine him setting it all up ... lol
2014-06-24 22:28 <nebadon> atleast with IARs and OARs
2014-06-24 22:28 <nebadon> that is probably not true for HG
2014-06-24 22:28 <nebadon> but might be i just never tested it
2014-06-24 22:28 <nebadon> npcs are probably not HG friendly though
2014-06-24 22:28 <nebadon> ya
2014-06-24 22:29 <nebadon> its a lot of work
2014-06-24 22:29 <smxy> well, if everything is in the rezzer, you should be able to give tht to someone
2014-06-24 22:29 <nebadon> ya should
2014-06-24 22:29 <nebadon> i dont know if uuids change when you bring it to a different grid over HG
2014-06-24 22:29 <nebadon> if they do it breaks
2014-06-24 22:29 <nebadon> i know with iars and oars the uuids are preserved
2014-06-24 22:29 <nebadon> remember its inventory uuids
2014-06-24 22:29 <smxy> I'll have to try it and see.
2014-06-24 22:29 <nebadon> not asset uuids
2014-06-24 22:29 <nebadon> I think anyway i dont remember now
2014-06-24 22:29 <nebadon> maybe it is asset
2014-06-24 22:30 <nebadon> i just know that when i package the outfit and appearance with the rezzer and move it with IAR or OAR to new grid
2014-06-24 22:30 <nebadon> the NPCs still work
2014-06-24 22:30 <nebadon> i havent tested much beyond that
2014-06-24 22:30 <smxy> ok
2014-06-24 22:30 <nebadon> plus if you ever need to slightly modify that particular npc
2014-06-24 22:30 <nebadon> you know exactly what all the peices were
2014-06-24 22:31 <nebadon> just look in the rezzer
2014-06-24 22:31 <nebadon> good way to stay organized as well
2014-06-24 22:33 <nebadon> lkalif
2014-06-24 22:33 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/origin1.png
2014-06-24 22:33 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/origin2.png
2014-06-24 22:33 <nebadon> see both of these objects have same origin
2014-06-24 22:33 <nebadon> even though they are completely different shapes
2014-06-24 22:34 <nebadon> I guess what is happening is when i do the origin in blender it fakes out the bounding box in viewer
2014-06-24 22:34 <lkalif> you get those arrow gizmos at origin
2014-06-24 22:34 <nebadon> i can tell you right now though there are no hidden vertices to make it larger
2014-06-24 22:35 <nebadon> ok then i guess maybe I am confused on what we were talking about, i assumed that was the same thing
2014-06-24 22:36 <lkalif> these two should not be showing the same position if they are in the same region
2014-06-24 22:36 <nebadon> they are not the same region
2014-06-24 22:37 <nebadon> but it wouldnt matter if they were
2014-06-24 22:37 <nebadon> ive done it both ways
2014-06-24 22:37 <nebadon> in this particular instance its 1 tile per region
2014-06-24 22:37 <nebadon> the very very old way
2014-06-24 22:37 <nebadon> this is a very old simulator
2014-06-24 22:37 <lkalif> they show 128,128 as if they're at the center of a regular size region
2014-06-24 22:38 <nebadon> they are
2014-06-24 22:38 <nebadon> its a 3x3 regular regions
2014-06-24 22:38 <nebadon> my point being that even though theya re completely seperate and completely different sizes they have the same exact origin
2014-06-24 22:38 <nebadon> after being uploaded
2014-06-24 22:39 <nebadon> it could be that back then
2014-06-24 22:39 <nebadon> the viewer didnt give a shit
2014-06-24 22:39 <nebadon> and now it does
2014-06-24 22:39 <nebadon> its been a long while since i did it that way
2014-06-24 22:39 <nebadon> i just needed to know i wasnt crazy
2014-06-24 22:39 <nebadon> is all
2014-06-24 22:39 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-24 22:39 <lkalif> perhaps this is mega and they do coords diferently
2014-06-24 22:40 <nebadon> not mega
2014-06-24 22:40 <lkalif> trust me, they cannot have the same origin
2014-06-24 22:40 <nebadon> has normal borders
2014-06-24 22:40 <nebadon> i know but the screenshots dont lie
2014-06-24 22:40 <nebadon> I think what i did
2014-06-24 22:40 <nebadon> was figure out a way to have blender trick the viewer
2014-06-24 22:40 <lkalif> in this case, it does
2014-06-24 22:40 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-24 22:40 <nebadon> well i did 2 or 3 different simulators this way
2014-06-24 22:40 <nebadon> one had 32 regions
2014-06-24 22:41 <nebadon> it was the only way i could get perfect alignment
2014-06-24 22:41 <nebadon> otherwise it would be impossible to align by the #'s
2014-06-24 22:41 <lkalif> viewer has always moved origin to the geometrical center of the mesh
2014-06-24 22:41 <nebadon> if they all had different origins
2014-06-24 22:41 <nebadon> well some how i figure out how to trick it
2014-06-24 22:41 <lkalif> always
2014-06-24 22:41 <lkalif> since mesh was invented for SL
2014-06-24 22:41 <nebadon> i have a video of the entire process
2014-06-24 22:41 <nebadon> ill dig the video out 
2014-06-24 22:41 <nebadon> i have to hook up old computer
2014-06-24 22:41 <lkalif> I know the code ;)
2014-06-24 22:42 <lkalif> there is some malfunction there
2014-06-24 22:42 <nebadon> well some how i figured out how to fool the code apparantly
2014-06-24 22:42 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-24 22:42 <nebadon> of course there is
2014-06-24 22:42 <nebadon> its me
2014-06-24 22:42 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-24 22:42 <nebadon> mr malfunction
2014-06-24 22:42 <lkalif> your screenshot shows same origin
2014-06-24 22:42 <nebadon> indeed it does
2014-06-24 22:42 <nebadon> i knew i wasnt crazy
2014-06-24 22:42 <lkalif> but the arrow gizmo for moving stuff is two different locations
2014-06-24 22:42 <dahlia> 
ACTION giggles

2014-06-24 22:42 <lkalif> and that gizmo is supposed to be at the origin
2014-06-24 22:43 <lkalif> so something is wrong with the screenshot
2014-06-24 22:43 <nebadon> haha
2014-06-24 22:43 <nebadon> ok well now were both crazy
2014-06-24 22:43 <nebadon> so im happy
2014-06-24 22:43 <smxy> I'm sure he photoshopped it just to screw with you. :)
2014-06-24 22:43 <smxy> </sarcasm>
2014-06-24 22:44 <nebadon> i do however
2014-06-24 22:44 <nebadon> have a python script
2014-06-24 22:44 <nebadon> that automates the entire process
2014-06-24 22:44 <nebadon> let me show you that
2014-06-24 22:44 <nebadon> 1 sefc
2014-06-24 22:44 <nebadon> here
2014-06-24 22:44 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=73
2014-06-24 22:44 <nebadon> see what i was doing originally was converting heightmaps to mesh
2014-06-24 22:45 <nebadon> and diva and I created this python for blender
2014-06-24 22:45 <nebadon> to automate the entire process
2014-06-24 22:45 <nebadon> i recorded the video step by step how to do it manually
2014-06-24 22:45 <nebadon> and diva from that video created the python script with the blender utilitiy to record functions as python
2014-06-24 22:45 <nebadon> and some how in that process I apparantly figure out how to trick the viewer
2014-06-24 22:45 <nebadon> unwittingly
2014-06-24 22:46 <nebadon> i had no idea what i was doing wasnt possible
2014-06-24 22:46 <nebadon> but there it is
2014-06-24 22:46 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-24 22:46 <Trinity93> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pOxlazS3zs this might be of interest to diva though it focuses on linux it can be applied to opensource software in general
2014-06-24 22:46 <nebadon> here
2014-06-24 22:46 <nebadon>     for o in bpy.data.objects:
2014-06-24 22:46 <nebadon>         if o.name.startswith('Plane'):
2014-06-24 22:46 <nebadon>             o.select = True
2014-06-24 22:46 <nebadon>             bpy.context.scene.objects.active = o
2014-06-24 22:46 <nebadon>             bpy.ops.object.origin_set(type='ORIGIN_GEOMETRY')
2014-06-24 22:46 <nebadon>             bpy.context.scene.cursor_location = o.location
2014-06-24 22:46 <nebadon>             bpy.context.scene.cursor_location[2] = -(MAX_HEIGHT/256) # -(MAX_HEIGHT/256)
2014-06-24 22:46 <nebadon>             bpy.ops.object.origin_set(type='ORIGIN_CURSOR')
2014-06-24 22:46 <nebadon>             o.select = False
2014-06-24 22:47 <nebadon> it looks like im tricking the viewer into thinking the mesh object is 256x256m
2014-06-24 22:47 <nebadon> even though it really is not
2014-06-24 22:47 <lkalif> dahlia: you tell him
2014-06-24 22:48 <dahlia> lkalif: he doesnt listen to me ;)
2014-06-24 22:48 <nebadon> well i certainly beleive you
2014-06-24 22:48 <nebadon> but i am not making this up
2014-06-24 22:48 <nebadon> its pretty clear from the screenshot taht something i did tricked the viewer
2014-06-24 22:49 <nebadon> it must be that snipet of code above
2014-06-24 22:49 <dahlia> wouldnt be the first time the viewer had a bug
2014-06-24 22:49 <nebadon> becuase its what generated these tiles
2014-06-24 22:49 <lkalif> nebadon: many people would actually love to be able to specify origin, ie. to make viewer not move origin from the source mesh
2014-06-24 22:49 <nebadon> ya honestly I thought you could
2014-06-24 22:49 <nebadon> and some how did
2014-06-24 22:49 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-24 22:49 <nebadon> but its not really
2014-06-24 22:49 <nebadon> like i said we are both correct
2014-06-24 22:49 <nebadon> it is center 
2014-06-24 22:49 <lkalif> perfect your origin cheating script and monetize it :P
2014-06-24 22:50 <nebadon> but some how i tricked the viewer into thinking my object is 256x256x256m
2014-06-24 22:50 <nebadon> even though its not
2014-06-24 22:50 <dahlia> the problem with moving the origin is people would abuse it and then all the stuff that relies on it would fail
2014-06-24 22:50 <dahlia> like culling 
2014-06-24 22:50 <nebadon> ya that makes sense
2014-06-24 22:50 <lkalif> and putting something in one parcel and have it appear on another:P
2014-06-24 22:50 <nebadon> ya
2014-06-24 22:50 <nebadon> impossible to pick up prims
2014-06-24 22:50 <nebadon> basically
2014-06-24 22:51 <lkalif> would be great for those "outside sim" islands they sell on SL
2014-06-24 22:51 <nebadon> that would be fun in one of those patriotic nigra rezzer attacks
2014-06-24 22:51 <nebadon> i miss those guys
2014-06-24 22:51 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-24 22:51 <nebadon> not
2014-06-24 22:51 <lkalif> lol
2014-06-24 22:51 <nebadon> are they still annoying everone in SL?
2014-06-24 22:52 <dahlia> havent seen a fro particle attack for ages :(
2014-06-24 22:52 <lkalif> I don't know if that particular group is still active
2014-06-24 22:52 <lkalif> but sure, ther are griefers
2014-06-24 22:52 <dahlia> ya but they were talented
2014-06-24 22:53 <lkalif> recently they invented a new attack vector where they would basiacally make 1024 connections to the cap server, exhausting connection poll, and disconnecting everyone from the sin
2014-06-24 22:53 <nebadon> aww looks like someone wiped their wiki
2014-06-24 22:53 <nebadon> they used to hav ea whole page on me
2014-06-24 22:53 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-24 22:53 <nebadon> had my home address and phone number
2014-06-24 22:53 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-24 22:53 <dahlia> on you?
2014-06-24 22:53 <nebadon> ya
2014-06-24 22:53 <dahlia> oh from osgrid?
2014-06-24 22:53 <nebadon> they hated me
2014-06-24 22:53 <nebadon> lol ya
2014-06-24 22:53 <dahlia> lol
2014-06-24 22:54 <dahlia> I dont think I ever was on their radar
2014-06-24 22:54 <dahlia> but I dont administrate anything
2014-06-24 22:55 <djphil> how many materials you have on your terrain mesh neb?
2014-06-24 22:55 <djphil> 8?
2014-06-24 22:56 <nebadon> aww no history on wayback machine either
2014-06-24 22:56 <nebadon> bummer
2014-06-24 22:56 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-24 22:56 <dahlia> lol
2014-06-24 22:56 <nebadon> djphil just 1
2014-06-24 22:56 <dahlia> I remember their page on prok
2014-06-24 22:56 <dahlia> lol
2014-06-24 22:56 <nebadon> maybe more in the future right now its just one
2014-06-24 22:56 <djphil> I see your texture is clean, not pixelated
2014-06-24 22:57 <lkalif> is prok still blogging?
2014-06-24 22:57 <dahlia> dunno
2014-06-24 22:57 <dahlia> I stopped reading it a couple years ago 
2014-06-24 22:57 <lkalif> you know, after all the russian metaphores, she must be having a field day
2014-06-24 22:57 <lkalif> now that russia is invading other countries again
2014-06-24 22:57 <lkalif> lol
2014-06-24 22:58 <dahlia> lol
2014-06-24 22:58 <dahlia> she prolly likes putin tho
2014-06-24 22:58 <dahlia> she hated the communists
2014-06-24 22:58 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-24 22:58 <lkalif> putin is commie kgb collonel
2014-06-24 22:58 <dahlia> she was like ayn rand v2
2014-06-24 22:58 <nebadon> ya that dude is commie in sheeps clothing
2014-06-24 22:58 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-24 22:59 <nebadon> pretty sure if putin could he would totally revert back to full on communism
2014-06-24 22:59 <djphil> lkalif say "02many people would actually love to be able to specify origin01" .... yeah, i agree with you kalif :)
2014-06-24 22:59 <lkalif> djphil: nebadon has a magic script that does it
2014-06-24 22:59 <nebadon> well sort of
2014-06-24 23:00 <nebadon> i have a way of making sure all objects have a similar origin
2014-06-24 23:00 <nebadon> however i cant make the origin anything i want
2014-06-24 23:00 <djphil> Mmm give me give me give me ^^
2014-06-24 23:00 <nebadon> all i can apparantly do is the trick the viewer into thinking the object is considerably larger than it actually is
2014-06-24 23:00 <nebadon> the bounding box anyway
2014-06-24 23:00 <nebadon> well i have a python script you can look at 
2014-06-24 23:01 <nebadon> that converts heightmaps into sets of mesh
2014-06-24 23:01 <nebadon> 1 sec
2014-06-24 23:01 <djphil> ha ok, i havve your script python
2014-06-24 23:01 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=73
2014-06-24 23:01 <djphil> ty
2014-06-24 23:01 <nebadon> no problem
2014-06-24 23:02 <nebadon> and once i get the energy i will hook up my old computer to retreive the video i made
2014-06-24 23:02 <nebadon> that outlines every step of the process
2014-06-24 23:02 <djphil> but it would be nice if the viewer not move from the origin source mesh
2014-06-24 23:02 <nebadon> i am pretty certain there is a step i am forgetting about
2014-06-24 23:03 <nebadon> what would be nice is if the origin was say less than 10m from center of mass
2014-06-24 23:03 <nebadon> it allowed it
2014-06-24 23:03 <nebadon> otherwise if its greater than 10m it gets put at center of mass
2014-06-24 23:04 <dahlia> 
ACTION goes on record recommending against moving the origin from what the viewer assigns

2014-06-24 23:04 <nebadon> ya
2014-06-24 23:04 <nebadon> its probably to much work anyway
2014-06-24 23:04 <nebadon> it would be more important if we had ability for joints that could pivot
2014-06-24 23:04 <nebadon> if we did forcing origin would be very bad
2014-06-24 23:05 <nebadon> but thats probably never going to happen in an ideal way anyway
2014-06-24 23:05 <dahlia> well aside from collision problems and likely slower viewer frame rates and culling errors, there will also be a loss of precision which may be objectionable with larger meshes
2014-06-24 23:05 <nebadon> ya but thats possible anyway isnt it?
2014-06-24 23:05 <nebadon> i mean thats kind of why LL has size limits right?
2014-06-24 23:05 <nebadon> but ya i guess it would increase that probability
2014-06-24 23:05 <dahlia> LL chose 64x64x64 mesh limits for more reasons than just wanting more upload fees and tier
2014-06-24 23:06 <nebadon> right
2014-06-24 23:06 <nebadon> things like ray casting fail
2014-06-24 23:06 <nebadon> if you go to big
2014-06-24 23:06 <nebadon> remember the 65535/65535 mega prim in SL
2014-06-24 23:07 <nebadon> those were always fun on mainland
2014-06-24 23:07 <dahlia> lol
2014-06-24 23:07 <nebadon> totally blot out the minimap
2014-06-24 23:07 <nebadon> completely cover the entire mainlan
2014-06-24 23:07 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-24 23:07 <dahlia> ya but you probably dont see them on the next region over
2014-06-24 23:07 <nebadon> ya probably not
2014-06-24 23:07 <nebadon> unless you already visited there you might
2014-06-24 23:07 <nebadon> like if you just kept crossing borders 
2014-06-24 23:08 <dahlia> maybe but if you move out of draw distance from the center you wont see it
2014-06-24 23:08 <nebadon> i think minimap does
2014-06-24 23:08 <nebadon> but nothing else did
2014-06-24 23:08 <dahlia> minimap only shows your prims
2014-06-24 23:09 <nebadon> hmm really?
2014-06-24 23:09 <dahlia> I think so
2014-06-24 23:09 <nebadon> i dont even remember now
2014-06-24 23:09 <nebadon> i dont use minimap mcuh
2014-06-24 23:09 <dahlia> those blue ones?
2014-06-24 23:09 <nebadon> i thought your prims were brown
2014-06-24 23:09 <nebadon> and everyone else was green
2014-06-24 23:09 <nebadon> or something
2014-06-24 23:09 <dahlia> dunno
2014-06-24 23:09 <LiruCookies> Sec, I remember that code
2014-06-24 23:10 <LiruCookies> Doesn't seem separated..
2014-06-24 23:11 <nebadon> things have changed a lot since i was in SL
2014-06-24 23:11 <nebadon> i stopped using SL at the end of 2007
2014-06-24 23:11 <LiruCookies> oh wait
2014-06-24 23:11 <dahlia> I dont see my neighbor's prims in minimap on replex on SL
2014-06-24 23:11 <dahlia> just mine
2014-06-24 23:12 <dahlia> and they are cyan colored
2014-06-24 23:12 <nebadon> its very possible because of things like the 65k mega prim they changed it
2014-06-24 23:12 <LiruCookies> NetMapYouOwnAboveWater
2014-06-24 23:12 <LiruCookies> NetMapYouOwnBelowWater
2014-06-24 23:12 <LiruCookies> NetMapOtherOwnAboveWater
2014-06-24 23:12 <nebadon> i do remember long ago though
2014-06-24 23:12 <nebadon> you would see 2 colors on the minimap
2014-06-24 23:12 <LiruCookies> NetMapOtherOwnBelowWater
2014-06-24 23:12 <nebadon> like green and brown
2014-06-24 23:12 <LiruCookies> Those are the colors
2014-06-24 23:13 <nebadon> ah ya
2014-06-24 23:13 <LiruCookies> Also NetMapGroupOwn(Below|Above)Water
2014-06-24 23:13 <LiruCookies> Also NetMap(Group|You|Other)Own(Below|Above)Water
2014-06-24 23:13 <LiruCookies> That's the entire thing
2014-06-24 23:13 <LiruCookies> Nasty for debug setting search, though
2014-06-24 23:14 <LiruCookies> OwnAboveWater
2014-06-24 23:14 <LiruCookies> But these are in skins, so you don't change them via debug settings, you only look at them
2014-06-24 23:15 <dahlia> skins?
2014-06-24 23:15 <dahlia> the minimap colors?
2014-06-24 23:16 <nebadon> ya I think its minimap colors
2014-06-24 23:17 <LiruCookies> Yes
2014-06-24 23:18 <LiruCookies> The minimap colors come from the skins
2014-06-24 23:18 <LiruCookies> skins/*/colors.xml and skins/default/colors_base.xml
2014-06-24 23:18 <LiruCookies> Anything not overridden in the former is using the value from the later
2014-06-24 23:18 <LiruCookies> latter*
2014-06-24 23:20 <LiruCookies> I gotta go walk a while
2014-06-24 23:22 <nebadon> k thanks LiruCookies for the clarification
2014-06-24 23:24 <dahlia> 
ACTION nibbles on double-dipped dark chocolate covered peanuts....

2014-06-24 23:24 <lkalif> ebil dahlia 
2014-06-24 23:24 <dahlia> mmmmmmmmmMMMMMMMMmmm
2014-06-24 23:24 <lkalif> causing me cravings ;)
2014-06-24 23:25 <dahlia> nummy :D
2014-06-24 23:25 <lkalif> hehe
2014-06-24 23:25 <lkalif> I have some very good and very dark chocolate too
2014-06-24 23:25 <lkalif> 80% cocoa
2014-06-24 23:25 <dahlia> oooou
2014-06-24 23:27 <dahlia> I think the best chocolate I ever had was in a small shop in barcelona
2014-06-24 23:27 <dahlia> OMG it was SO GOOD
2014-06-24 23:27 <dahlia> puts belgian chocolate to shame
2014-06-24 23:27 <lkalif> hehe
2014-06-24 23:34 <lkalif> LLModelLoader::doLoadModel() is where the viewer code converts collada
2014-06-24 23:34 <lkalif> but it's almost unreadable :P
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2014-06-24 23:36 <dahlia> viewer uses opencollada?
2014-06-24 23:40 <lkalif> colladadom
2014-06-24 23:40 <lkalif> for parsing
2014-06-24 23:41 <dahlia> parsing is probably the easy part
2014-06-24 23:41 <dahlia> its interpreting thats a pain
2014-06-24 23:41 <lkalif> ya
2014-06-24 23:41 <lkalif> and collada has a ton of options
2014-06-24 23:41 <lkalif> like UP axis
2014-06-24 23:41 <lkalif> unit size
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2014-06-25 00:39 <smxy> nebadon: I put your notecard generator in a prim and made a notecard. I put that into the rezzer prim and used it to generate an NPC. No hair and no boots.
2014-06-25 00:40 <smxy> I'm stumped.
2014-06-25 00:46 <smxy> I think I wasn't really wearing my hair and my boots! I stripped and detached all, then made an NPC. Okay. I put my hair back on  and made another, and he has hair.
2014-06-25 00:49 <smxy> I'd sure like to know why my avatar doesn't actually stand on the ground but is several inches above it, hovering.
2014-06-25 00:49 <djphil> put something loke taht in prim desc smxy
2014-06-25 00:49 <djphil> dj-phil-<128.0, 128.0, 30.0>-1
2014-06-25 00:51 <smxy> yes, it's making them
2014-06-25 00:52 <smxy> For some reason, I had to rewear my attachments for the notecard generator to add them for the NPCs.
2014-06-25 00:53 <smxy> So that's working now. But I just happened to notice that they and I are not actually touching the ground, we hover several inches above it.
2014-06-25 01:02 <smxy> I notice that the bottom of my jeans are flared (they are bell-bottoms), but on the NPCs, they do not flare at all.
2014-06-25 01:21 <nebadon> so npcs are working smxy?
2014-06-25 01:48 <smxy> nebadon: yes, but only after I rewore my attachments.
2014-06-25 01:49 <smxy> But I haven't been able to figure out the issue with the bell-bottoms flare though.
2014-06-25 01:51 <JoeRadik> Flares are attachments?
2014-06-25 01:57 <nebadon> its because its not baking properly would be my guess
2014-06-25 01:57 <nebadon> you could try reloging
2014-06-25 01:58 <nebadon> you are running xbakes smxy?
2014-06-25 01:59 <nebadon> also possible its not decoding the bakes properly, the viewer
2014-06-25 01:59 <nebadon> maybe clear viewer cache as well
2014-06-25 02:17 <dahlia> JoeRadik: flares are a property of the clothing object
2014-06-25 02:18 <nebadon> heh i remember long ago when the avatar didnt bake properly, and the bell bottom pants would have your skin on them
2014-06-25 02:18 <nebadon> like skin flaps lol
2014-06-25 02:20 <dahlia> it probably shouldnt flare where the pants texture is alpha but I think theres also a length slider in there that may have had the value dropped somehow
2014-06-25 02:20 <nebadon> I have seen it happen with NPCs before as well
2014-06-25 02:20 <nebadon> ive also seen mesh avatar NPCs not rez properly too
2014-06-25 02:20 <dahlia> I had it on my osgrid avatar for ages
2014-06-25 02:21 <nebadon> I kind of recall it happening when there was a change for bakes possibly xbakes
2014-06-25 02:21 <nebadon> but dont quote me on that, i just remember it started happening right after some work on either inventory or baking was done
2014-06-25 02:21 <dahlia> dunno, I never looked at what xbakes does
2014-06-25 02:21 <nebadon> some kind of refactor
2014-06-25 02:21 <nebadon> xbakes stores the bakes centrally
2014-06-25 02:21 <nebadon> so when you teleport you dont rebake
2014-06-25 02:22 <dahlia> ya but I never looked at it
2014-06-25 02:22 <dahlia> someone else wrote it
2014-06-25 02:22 <nebadon> ya
2014-06-25 02:46 <lkalif> there are 3 different ways meshes could be specified in collada
2014-06-25 02:46 <lkalif> why make it simple when you can complicate it
2014-06-25 02:47 <nebadon> indeed, best way to insure no one copies your code, make it a overly complicated spaghetti mess that makes sense to no one but yourself
2014-06-25 02:47 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-25 02:48 <lkalif> I'll just implement polylist method for now
2014-06-25 02:48 <lkalif> seems blender is using that
2014-06-25 02:50 <nebadon> ya blender seemt to have the best support for collada from what I can tell
2014-06-25 02:50 <nebadon> though 3D studio max's wasnt too bad either
2014-06-25 02:50 <lkalif> you got that installed?
2014-06-25 02:50 <nebadon> I think blenders is better though
2014-06-25 02:50 <nebadon> I had the trial installed when i was in sweden
2014-06-25 02:50 <lkalif> ah
2014-06-25 02:50 <nebadon> because one of the modelers i work with she uses it
2014-06-25 02:50 <nebadon> and i was helping her get her stuff into one of our models
2014-06-25 02:50 <nebadon> and it went pretty well, with basic stuff
2014-06-25 02:50 <nebadon> but like sketchup man its absolutely horrible
2014-06-25 02:50 <lkalif> sketchup doesn't use polylist method, it uses triangles method
2014-06-25 02:50 <lkalif> won't work for now ;)
2014-06-25 02:51 <nebadon> i'll be surprised if sketchups collada will ever work right
2014-06-25 02:51 <lkalif> they implement the standard, just not in the way most people do
2014-06-25 02:51 <nebadon> even the ones that do work are insanely inefficient
2014-06-25 02:52 <lkalif> and most people write importers like i'm doing now
2014-06-25 02:52 <lkalif> half-arsed :P
2014-06-25 02:52 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-25 02:52 <nebadon> ya we have struggled a lot with it
2014-06-25 02:52 <nebadon> one of the GIS tools we wrote uses open scene graph
2014-06-25 02:52 <nebadon> and it was very difficult getting collada to display right
2014-06-25 02:53 <nebadon> and to export right
2014-06-25 02:53 <lkalif> plus my cat is not letting me code
2014-06-25 02:53 <nebadon> hehe
2014-06-25 02:54 <lkalif> these days he refueses to eat food I give him, he's in "I'm a hunter phase"
2014-06-25 02:54 <lkalif> he gets like that every couple of months for a week or so
2014-06-25 02:54 <lkalif> today he cought a bird and a mouse
2014-06-25 02:54 <lkalif> and actually ate them, it was not just playing
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2014-06-25 03:13 <osmantis> Bug #7236:04 [Script] PRIM_PHANTOM does not work for a single prim in a linkset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7236 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-25 04:05 <smxy> nebadon: yes to xbakes. yes to I cleared my cache (manually, even).
2014-06-25 04:05 <smxy> tried a different viewer, too
2014-06-25 04:06 <smxy> The bell-bottoms just are tight around their ankles, almost like skin, instead of flaring out like they do on me.
2014-06-25 04:06 <smxy> texture refreshing doesn't help either.
2014-06-25 04:09 <smxy> ... shins and ankles ...
2014-06-25 04:10 <lkalif> ok math time
2014-06-25 04:10 <lkalif> dahlia: you around? ;)
2014-06-25 04:11 <AliciaRaven> hey lkalif, how did u get on with the mini map problem?
2014-06-25 04:11 <lkalif> didn't have the time to look much into it
2014-06-25 04:12 <lkalif> I had a cursory look, and it's not trivial to fix for varregions
2014-06-25 04:12 <AliciaRaven> ah ok
2014-06-25 04:13 <smxy> I noticed that with diva's recent changes that vars only show up once in FS and the terrain shows in the minimap now, but the center of my var shows red and offline permanently.
2014-06-25 04:14 <smxy> But works, otherwise.
2014-06-25 04:14 <lkalif> smxy: terrain tile as on the world map
2014-06-25 04:14 <lkalif> `?
2014-06-25 04:15 <smxy> Yes, with FS before, the world map terrain didn't show in the minimap.
2014-06-25 04:15 <smxy> and the var showed up multiple times in map search.
2014-06-25 04:16 <smxy> both seem to be fixed, but the center 256x256 of my var in the main map shows red an offline. You used to be able to click the lower left 256x256 to make the center look right again, but that doesn't work now.
2014-06-25 04:17 <smxy> I should check in replex now.
2014-06-25 04:17 <AliciaRaven> smxy, if your not in the var region, u can click the bottom left first, then after that FS can see them all as online
2014-06-25 04:17 <smxy> I believe I was in the region when I did it.
2014-06-25 04:18 <AliciaRaven> yea, its broken even more in FS now, seems it was relying on the bug that diva fixed
2014-06-25 04:19 <smxy> No, even when not in the var, the center stays red and offline in FS now, after diva's change.
2014-06-25 04:19 <smxy> no matter where I click.
2014-06-25 04:19 <AliciaRaven> u have to log out and enter another region, once its red, it stays red untill u log out
2014-06-25 04:19 <smxy> It works fine, just looks wrong.
2014-06-25 04:22 <nebadon> wasnt that determined to be a bug in FS?
2014-06-25 04:22 <smxy> I logged out from another region and back into that other region and the center of the var still stays red.
2014-06-25 04:22 <smxy> oh well.
2014-06-25 04:22 <nebadon> i recall diva saying something about a bug in FS when she was fixing that
2014-06-25 04:22 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, yes its a bug in firestorm, divas fix just made it worse lol
2014-06-25 04:23 <nebadon> k hopefully they know about it
2014-06-25 04:23 <AliciaRaven> yes i reported it in jira
2014-06-25 04:23 <AliciaRaven> not heard anything for ages on it, hope its fixed for next release
2014-06-25 04:24 <smxy> Replex just seems to work fine. I don't notice anything wrong.
2014-06-25 04:24 <lkalif> minimap terrain is wrong
2014-06-25 04:24 <smxy> main map and mini-map both look fine to me.
2014-06-25 04:24 <smxy> wrong how?
2014-06-25 04:24 <lkalif> minimap will show south east 256 m chunk
2014-06-25 04:25 <lkalif> over the whole region, streached
2014-06-25 04:25 <AliciaRaven> thats if u enable using map texture on mini map, not the default terrain texture
2014-06-25 04:25 <smxy> no, it's showing the center 256x256 of my var, where I'm standing.
2014-06-25 04:25 <smxy> hmm
2014-06-25 04:25 <lkalif> you have enabled showing world map tile on minimap?
2014-06-25 04:25 <smxy> checking
2014-06-25 04:26 <lkalif> go to Replex sim on OSGrid, you will seee the problem
2014-06-25 04:26 <smxy> no, I did not have that enabled. When I did it switched to water, which is what all of my var except the cether is.
2014-06-25 04:26 <smxy> center*
2014-06-25 04:26 <lkalif> ah the only problem is when you enable that
2014-06-25 04:26 <lkalif> otherwise it works fine
2014-06-25 04:27 <smxy> yes
2014-06-25 04:27 <lkalif> dahlia: I need a sanity check ;)
2014-06-25 04:43 <dahlia> lkalif: whats up?
2014-06-25 04:44 <lkalif> https://gist.github.com/lkalif/310ef0b626340feaaf2a
2014-06-25 04:45 <lkalif> does:
2014-06-25 04:45 <lkalif> ((pos.X - prim.BoundMin.X) / prim.Scale.X) - 0.5f
2014-06-25 04:45 <lkalif> look sane to you?
2014-06-25 04:45 <dahlia> arrgh skinny font on white background :(
2014-06-25 04:46 <lkalif> let me try to find another pastebin
2014-06-25 04:47 <dahlia> no I can read it... kinda
2014-06-25 04:48 <dahlia>  prim.Scale = prim.BoundMax - prim.BoundMin; seems confusing
2014-06-25 04:48 <lkalif> it's vector3 - vector3
2014-06-25 04:49 <lkalif> it will do maxX - minX etc.
2014-06-25 04:49 <dahlia> yes but calling it scale seems wierd
2014-06-25 04:49 <lkalif> is it not prim scale?
2014-06-25 04:49 <lkalif> (size)
2014-06-25 04:51 <dahlia> dont think so
2014-06-25 04:51 <dahlia> whats the problem anyway?
2014-06-25 04:51 <LiruCookies> I've seen scale ad size used interchangeably
2014-06-25 04:51 <LiruCookies> and*
2014-06-25 04:51 <lkalif> they are the same thing
2014-06-25 04:52 <LiruCookies> Size is more comfortable, though... but to someone dealing with the code, scale shouldn't be confusing.
2014-06-25 04:52 <LiruCookies> In plain English, I've not heard scale used.
2014-06-25 04:52 <LiruCookies> Well, not in that sense.
2014-06-25 04:53 <lkalif> it's 3D coding jargon
2014-06-25 04:53 <dahlia> whats the problem anyway?
2014-06-25 04:53 <lkalif> does my packing into identity cube on the bottom look allright?
2014-06-25 04:54 <lkalif> I have a lot of code to write before I can test this
2014-06-25 04:54 <lkalif> 1) asset generator
2014-06-25 04:54 <lkalif> 2) capability upload
2014-06-25 04:55 <lkalif> both of which are non-trivial
2014-06-25 04:55 <dahlia> offhand it seems it might work, did you try it?
2014-06-25 04:56 <dahlia> you take the range, move it so it starts at 0, divide it by the max, subtract 0.5
2014-06-25 04:56 <dahlia> which seems to make sense
2014-06-25 04:56 <dahlia> (divide by max range)
2014-06-25 04:56 <lkalif> the numbers look ok in the debugger, we'll see
2014-06-25 04:56 <lkalif> was just checking before I go on
2014-06-25 04:57 <dahlia> I usually compute the reciprocal once and then multiply by that to save CPU cycles but for this it probably wouldnt matter :P
2014-06-25 05:05 <lkalif> I now regret not writing mesh asset dump somewhere
2014-06-25 05:07 <dahlia> a couple of times Ive started a "mesh" object with encoders and decoders and abandoned it
2014-06-25 05:07 <dahlia> lol
2014-06-25 05:07 <lkalif> libomv has a working decoder
2014-06-25 05:07 <dahlia> oh I have decoders
2014-06-25 05:08 <dahlia> theres also one in opensim
2014-06-25 05:08 <dahlia> I have encoders too but they arent generic
2014-06-25 05:09 <lkalif> that doesn't help me
2014-06-25 05:26 <dahlia> lkalif: heres the encoder for navmesh http://pastebin.com/Jf4D70ks
2014-06-25 05:26 <lkalif> thanks
2014-06-25 05:26 <dahlia> but doesnt have physics
2014-06-25 05:26 <dahlia> expires soon 
2014-06-25 05:31 <lkalif> dahlia: would it be possible to get this ZCompressOSD too? :)
2014-06-25 05:34 <dahlia> lkalif: http://pastebin.com/L2YCmC9e
2014-06-25 05:35 <lkalif> dahlia: much appreciated :)
2014-06-25 05:35 <dahlia> np, hope it helps :)
2014-06-25 05:35 <lkalif> I hope it will too
2014-06-25 05:35 <lkalif> I'm reading collada spec, so my brain is a bit fried :P
2014-06-25 05:36 <dahlia> well I did crash viewer more than a few times before I got encoding to work :P
2014-06-25 05:36 <dahlia> POOF! gone :(
2014-06-25 05:36 <lkalif> I'm still extracting data from collada, I'm not yet at encoding stage
2014-06-25 05:36 <lkalif> I got vertices with normals and uv
2014-06-25 05:37 <lkalif> but indices... wow, very convoluted
2014-06-25 05:37 <dahlia> heh
2014-06-25 05:37 <lkalif> desciption of polygons, which vertices go into which poly
2014-06-25 05:37 <dahlia> collada sucks
2014-06-25 05:38 <dahlia> srsly
2014-06-25 05:38 <lkalif> it has this bit
2014-06-25 05:38 <lkalif> <polylist count="3" material="Bricks">  <input semantic="VERTEX" source="#verts" offset="0" /> 
2014-06-25 05:38 <lkalif>  <input semantic="NORMAL" source="#normal" offset="1" /> 
2014-06-25 05:38 <lkalif>  <vcount>4 4 3</vcount> 
2014-06-25 05:38 <lkalif>  <p>0 0 2 1 3 2 1 3 4 4 6 5 7 6 5 7 8 8 10 9 9 10</p>  </polylist>
2014-06-25 05:38 <lkalif> note vcount and 
2014-06-25 05:39 <lkalif> and <p>
2014-06-25 05:39 <lkalif> that bit is supposed to describe two quads and a triengle
2014-06-25 05:39 <lkalif> 4 4 3
2014-06-25 05:39 <dahlia> well... you have to remember that the people who manage the collada spec are the same as the people who manage the opengl spec
2014-06-25 05:39 <dahlia> so its bound to be overly complex and convoluted
2014-06-25 05:40 <lkalif> and p is supposed to be indices, but how i get thos is a but of mystery to me
2014-06-25 05:41 <dahlia> well 0 0 2 1 3 2 1 3 4 4 6 5 7 6 5 7 8 8 10 9 9 10 looks like a pretty normal list of vertex indices 
2014-06-25 05:41 <lkalif> except there is twice as many
2014-06-25 05:41 <lkalif> i expect to have 11
2014-06-25 05:41 <dahlia> except for the first 0
2014-06-25 05:42 <lkalif> two quads and a tri
2014-06-25 05:42 <dahlia> its not all tris?
2014-06-25 05:42 <lkalif> <vcount>4 4 3</vcount>
2014-06-25 05:42 <lkalif> this descibes number of vertices per poly
2014-06-25 05:42 <lkalif> so this example goes quad, quad, tri
2014-06-25 05:43 <lkalif> ah, i think i got it
2014-06-25 05:43 <dahlia> maybe its first doing position and then normal and then uv
2014-06-25 05:44 <dahlia> or something like that
2014-06-25 05:44 <lkalif> position indexes are every second one, starting at offset 0
2014-06-25 05:44 <lkalif> normals every second starting at 1
2014-06-25 05:44 <lkalif> yeah, it's clearly designed by opengl people .P
2014-06-25 05:44 <dahlia> clearly :P
2014-06-25 05:45 <lkalif> then it makes sense that there is 22 values
2014-06-25 05:47 <lkalif> i guess i will just extract the position indices
2014-06-25 05:50 <lkalif> blender makes even less sense
2014-06-25 05:51 <lkalif> default cube saves 8 vertices and 12 normals
2014-06-25 05:51 <lkalif> 8 vertex positons i man
2014-06-25 05:55 <dahlia> 12 normals?
2014-06-25 05:55 <dahlia> Id think 6
2014-06-25 10:18 <osmantis> Bug #7236:04 [Script] PRIM_PHANTOM does not work for a single prim in a linkset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7236 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-06-25 10:33 <osmantis> Bug #7236:04 [Script] PRIM_PHANTOM does not work for a single prim in a linkset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7236 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-25 11:30 <osmantis> Bug #7236:04 [Script] PRIM_PHANTOM does not work for a single prim in a linkset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7236 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-25 11:56 <osmantis> Bug #7236:04 [Script] PRIM_PHANTOM does not work for a single prim in a linkset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7236 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-06-25 13:34 <lkalif> I think I got the collada parsing bit
2014-06-25 13:34 <lkalif> Triangles only for now
2014-06-25 14:03 <NickyP> default mesh cubes I've imported divides each cube plane/face into 2 triangles.
2014-06-25 14:03 <lkalif> Most 3D software will triangulate meshen when exporting
2014-06-25 14:51 <smxy> This is interesting. After updating and restarting one of my regions the other day, it seems all the mesh in  the region (trees, rocks, cliffs, etc) are all invisible to me. I can click where they ought to be and I see their vertices (I think), but if I move the mouse away I see nothing.
2014-06-25 14:54 <smxy> A relog seems to have fixed it. Weird.
2014-06-25 15:10 <Trinity93> smxy that happens ocasionaly though its some what rare these days
2014-06-25 15:12 <Wolkenreiter> Hi, I just ran into a really really nasty bug with German locals in OS scripting... someone knows if there's a way to run mono under US locals from the commandline?
2014-06-25 15:23 <Plugh> Has anyone tested region crossings between varregions?
2014-06-25 15:24 <lkalif> Wolkenreiter: try LANG=en_US.UTF-8 mono ...
2014-06-25 15:24 <Plugh> Are region crossing any better with varregions or the same as with regular regions?
2014-06-25 15:24 <lkalif> bah, dahlia uses yet another compression library
2014-06-25 15:24 <lkalif> every time a new compression lib
2014-06-25 15:24 <Plugh> Wolkenreiter: What problem did you encounter?
2014-06-25 15:25 <Wolkenreiter> Well, it seems to use German locals, i.e. "," rather than "." when converting vectors to strings...
2014-06-25 15:25 <Wolkenreiter> *as a decimal point, I mean...
2014-06-25 15:25 <Plugh> Oh.
2014-06-25 15:26 <Wolkenreiter> Of course that lets things go bonkers completely when converting said strings back :)
2014-06-25 15:26 <Plugh> yeah
2014-06-25 15:26 <Wolkenreiter> Thanks lkalif, I'm gonna try it
2014-06-25 15:27 <Plugh> Wolkenreiter: Should be easy to fix once the conversion routine is located in the OS code base.
2014-06-25 15:29 <Wolkenreiter> Well, I'm pretty sure it would be possible to specificy the locals explicitely on the .NET/Mono conversion routines...
2014-06-25 15:29 <Wolkenreiter> Fun thing is, the same thing seems to *partly* apply to converting floats as well, but just on implicit casts...
2014-06-25 15:30 <lkalif> you can say
2014-06-25 15:30 <lkalif> export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 
2014-06-25 15:30 <lkalif> then all following commands will use that
2014-06-25 15:30 <lkalif> or
2014-06-25 15:31 <lkalif> LANG=en_US.UTF-8 some_cmd
2014-06-25 15:31 <lkalif> for individual comands
2014-06-25 15:31 <Wolkenreiter> Ah, cool! I'm not a Linux pro so I'd rather not want to change the global system language...
2014-06-25 15:32 <lkalif> "export LANG=en_US.UTF-8" will not change it forever, only in that command window
2014-06-25 15:32 <Wolkenreiter> Ok, guess I should write a shell script then to do it...
2014-06-25 16:38 <lkalif> well, encoding and then decoding mesh asset doesn't throw any exceptions :P
2014-06-25 16:46 <osmantis> Bug #7236:04 [Script] PRIM_PHANTOM does not work for a single prim in a linkset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7236 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-25 19:45 <dahlia> lkalif: I used the one compression library I could find that could produce output that the viewer could interpret and not crash. You could probably use the system compression lib if you muck with the header it produces.
2014-06-25 19:50 <lkalif> i'm going to try with the zlib we already bundle
2014-06-25 19:50 <lkalif> I'd hate to have to include another one
2014-06-25 19:51 <dahlia> that one is lame. Id try the system header mucking thing
2014-06-25 19:52 <lkalif> I think I'm done with asset creation
2014-06-25 19:52 <lkalif> I will try uploading and see if it crashes
2014-06-25 19:54 <lkalif> dahlia: are normals usually -1 .. 1 range and uvs 0 .. 1?
2014-06-25 19:57 <dahlia> yes
2014-06-25 19:57 <lkalif> they don't specify the range in the asset for normals
2014-06-25 19:57 <dahlia> well UVs can be negative, it usually is used to "flip" the axis
2014-06-25 19:58 <lkalif> so should I use -1 .. 1 for UVs as well?
2014-06-25 19:58 <dahlia> actually I think either can be > 1 or < -1 but normals are usually made unit length before being used
2014-06-25 19:59 <dahlia> lkalif: use whatever range is in the asset data
2014-06-25 20:00 <lkalif> I dont wanna have to adjust those too lol
2014-06-25 20:01 <lkalif> does magnintude of normal matter in any case?
2014-06-25 20:02 <dahlia> well [-1, 1] will probably be sufficient for normals and [0, 1] for uv
2014-06-25 20:02 <dahlia> if anyone puts anything outside those ranges in their model they deserve to have problems :P
2014-06-25 20:03 <lkalif> hehe
2014-06-25 20:07 <AllenKerensky> 
ACTION hears the distant rumble of Murphy's Law ...

2014-06-25 20:29 <keygruin> Murphy was an idiot and an all-around unpleasant person
2014-06-25 20:29 <AllenKerensky> you knew him?
2014-06-25 20:29 <AllenKerensky> hehheh
2014-06-25 20:33 <keygruin> lol I'm not THAT old
2014-06-25 20:34 <keygruin> actually he was just an unfortunate bloke to have such a law named after him
2014-06-25 20:36 <Dev_Random> Ohm was a real optimist... "Current Resistance = Potential"
2014-06-25 20:37 <H-H-H> lol
2014-06-25 20:58 <lkalif> dahlia: google upstaged your oculus rift killer :P
2014-06-25 20:59 <lkalif> they made a VR headset of cardboard and a phone
2014-06-25 20:59 <lkalif> http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/25/5842742/google-cardboard-photos
2014-06-25 21:00 <lkalif> http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/25/5842742/google-cardboard-photos
2014-06-25 21:00 <lkalif> erm
2014-06-25 21:00 <lkalif> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.samples.apps.cardboarddemo
2014-06-25 22:18 <osmantis> Bug #7236:04 [Script] PRIM_PHANTOM does not work for a single prim in a linkset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7236 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-06-25 22:20 <osmantis> Bug #7236:04 [Script] PRIM_PHANTOM does not work for a single prim in a linkset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7236 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-25 22:23 <antont> lkalif: hee that's so funny and great :)
2014-06-25 22:23 <antont> makes oculus look somehow silly :p
2014-06-25 22:24 <osmantis> Bug #7236:04 [Script] PRIM_PHANTOM does not work for a single prim in a linkset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7236 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-06-25 22:24 <lkalif> It's Google saying to facebook, look, you could have saved all those billions
2014-06-25 22:24 <lkalif> :P
2014-06-25 22:24 <lkalif> dahlia made something similar I understand
2014-06-25 22:25 <antont> right
2014-06-25 22:32 <osmantis> Bug #7236:04 [Script] PRIM_PHANTOM does not work for a single prim in a linkset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7236 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-25 22:44 <lkalif> it's not supposed to
2014-06-25 22:58 <Misterblue> does anyone have any good mesh simplification routines?
2014-06-25 22:59 <Misterblue> I'm thinking of, if a mesh is provided without a physics mesh and if the mesh is high detail, BulletSim computes a simplified mesh for physics
2014-06-25 23:01 <Misterblue> Bullet is kinda slow computing collisions for very high detail meshes... simplified would be a lot better
2014-06-25 23:04 <AliciaRaven> hi Misterblue, would that be why script collision events are being missed?
2014-06-25 23:04 <Misterblue> no... more the lots of CPU time BulletSim uses
2014-06-25 23:05 <osmantis> Bug #7236:04 [Script] PRIM_PHANTOM does not work for a single prim in a linkset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7236 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-06-25 23:12 <AliciaRaven> would be good for optimization of physics if setting the physics shape to none worked better in the viewer, it usualy jumps back to prim
2014-06-25 23:13 <Misterblue> at the moment, if a physics mesh is not provided, the physics engine just uses the render mesh
2014-06-25 23:13 <Misterblue> the render mesh is usually way too detailed for use for physics
2014-06-25 23:14 <Misterblue> at last years OSCC, Nebadon had high detail mesh chairs in the main presentation room
2014-06-25 23:14 <djphil> this is a good way Misterblue http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Physics_Optimization
2014-06-25 23:14 <AliciaRaven> i try to set the physics mesh to use a lower lod version of the mesh if i dont provide a separate physics mesh, that will help right?
2014-06-25 23:15 <Misterblue> BulletSim to LOTS of cpu just for an avatar leaning up against one of the chairs
2014-06-25 23:15 <Misterblue> ended up making the chairs phantom, but it is a general problem
2014-06-25 23:15 <djphil> or you can create a simplified LOD file to import your mesh
2014-06-25 23:15 <dahlia> lkalif: GRRRRR Google stole my idea AGAIN!!!! :(
2014-06-25 23:15 <Misterblue> Bullet is built for games -- there the authors always provide simplified physics meshes
2014-06-25 23:15 <dahlia> 
ACTION grumbles....

2014-06-25 23:15 <lkalif> Misterblue: LL uses c++ lib called GLOD
2014-06-25 23:17 <lkalif> but I'm not impressed
2014-06-25 23:17 <dahlia> Misterblue: I remember looking around for simplification algorithms once but they were kinda complex and I never got around to trying to implement one
2014-06-25 23:17 <dahlia> never found a c# one
2014-06-25 23:17 <lkalif> you an see the results on the viewer upload mesh window
2014-06-25 23:17 <lkalif> as you preview lower LODS
2014-06-25 23:17 <dahlia> blender has one too but its gpl
2014-06-25 23:17 <lkalif> that are auto-generated b this lib
2014-06-25 23:18 <nebadon> the preview window is crap
2014-06-25 23:18 <nebadon> doesnt let you zoom in enough to really have any idea what is going on 
2014-06-25 23:19 <nebadon> also from my experience too the viewer generated LOD is also not very good
2014-06-25 23:19 <dahlia> ya its pretty ugly
2014-06-25 23:19 <nebadon> and the preview window does not show the flaws that end up after its uploaded
2014-06-25 23:19 <dahlia> I think the one on blender is better
2014-06-25 23:19 <lkalif> hat's GLOD lib
2014-06-25 23:19 <nebadon> like my mesh terrain looked absolutely perfect in the preview window
2014-06-25 23:20 <nebadon> but when i walked around all ofthe corners of each square tile was rounded
2014-06-25 23:20 <Misterblue> general mesh simplification is still a research area
2014-06-25 23:20 <nebadon> and whenever you walked over the corners you fell through
2014-06-25 23:21 <dahlia> Misterblue: Meshmerizer does try to use a lower LOD display mesh if it can for physics if theres no physics mesh but I suspect many opensim users just upload the highest detail they can 
2014-06-25 23:22 <djphil> another way is create a low poly to opensim import and a high poly to create a normal map.
2014-06-25 23:22 <djphil> inworld then you do not see a visual difference but physic is alot more light
2014-06-25 23:22 <Misterblue> I think so too, dahlia... something a little better than a bounding box would work in most cases
2014-06-25 23:22 <lkalif> can someone check that i can just upload the high lod mesh and nothing else, and that it will be used instead of physics mesh?
2014-06-25 23:23 <lkalif> So I don't have to include the same mesh twie
2014-06-25 23:23 <Misterblue> is there a way a mesh can be tagged with extra info?
2014-06-25 23:23 <dahlia> lkalif: :P
2014-06-25 23:23 <lkalif> Misterblue: it's OSD, you can add whatever 
2014-06-25 23:24 <dahlia> I shouldnt have added that code to fallback to the display mesh :/
2014-06-25 23:24 <djphil> significant example here : https://warosu.org/data/3/img/0004/01/1388610209036.png
2014-06-25 23:24 <djphil> 4000 becomes 500 :)
2014-06-25 23:24 <nebadon> honestly we shouldnt be significantly reducing quality unless its optional
2014-06-25 23:25 <nebadon> for things like terrain it would be horrible
2014-06-25 23:25 <nebadon> the only way reduced polygons for collisons works is on small objects
2014-06-25 23:25 <dahlia> nebadon: for physics
2014-06-25 23:25 <nebadon> yes but on terrrain
2014-06-25 23:25 <nebadon> it would be bad
2014-06-25 23:25 <nebadon> things like your feet going into terrain happen
2014-06-25 23:25 <nebadon> you cant force this on us
2014-06-25 23:25 <djphil> yet it is this technique that is used in all games
2014-06-25 23:25 <lkalif> Misterblue: there is also HACD that is supposed to decompose mesh into a set of convex hulls
2014-06-25 23:26 <dahlia> it wouldnt be bad if you had smaller tiles
2014-06-25 23:26 <djphil> retopology
2014-06-25 23:26 <nebadon> for certain things yes its good
2014-06-25 23:26 <nebadon> that creates other problems though dahlia
2014-06-25 23:26 <nebadon> you go from a few 100 textures
2014-06-25 23:26 <nebadon> to 1000's
2014-06-25 23:26 <dahlia> large meshes create all kinds of problems too
2014-06-25 23:26 <nebadon> and your pefromance gains go out the window
2014-06-25 23:27 <nebadon> this was problem we had with sculpty terrain
2014-06-25 23:27 <nebadon> it was so many textures it took forever to load
2014-06-25 23:27 <nebadon> 30 minutes later and the terrain would still not be loaded
2014-06-25 23:27 <nebadon> infact it likely would never fully load
2014-06-25 23:27 <dahlia> yes but those were way smaller
2014-06-25 23:28 <nebadon> not really
2014-06-25 23:28 <nebadon> it was 64 tiles per region
2014-06-25 23:28 <dahlia> 32x32
2014-06-25 23:28 <Misterblue> BulletSim already uses HACD to create sets of convex hulls for meshes
2014-06-25 23:28 <nebadon> right now its 32 tiles per region
2014-06-25 23:28 <dahlia> 32 tiles is good
2014-06-25 23:28 <dahlia> 4 tiles is good
2014-06-25 23:28 <dahlia> one tile is BAD
2014-06-25 23:28 <Misterblue> there are actually two implmenetations: one in C# in OpenSim and one in C++ in Bullet
2014-06-25 23:28 <nebadon> right but if you reduce the quality of that at all
2014-06-25 23:28 <nebadon> it would break it
2014-06-25 23:28 <nebadon> say i use the viewer generated LOD
2014-06-25 23:29 <dahlia> you wont have to reduce it if its not too huge
2014-06-25 23:29 <nebadon> and i reduce the vertices/triangels by 50%
2014-06-25 23:29 <nebadon> my avatar ends up being calf deep in the terrain
2014-06-25 23:29 <dahlia> nebadon: relax. if you have 32 tiles in a region you wont see any difference
2014-06-25 23:29 <nebadon> and sometimes im floating above the terrain
2014-06-25 23:29 <nebadon> ya
2014-06-25 23:29 <nebadon> what would be the determining factor if physics reduces  your mesh though?
2014-06-25 23:29 <nebadon> is there some kind of threshold?
2014-06-25 23:30 <dahlia> its not determined yet
2014-06-25 23:30 <nebadon> ya I know I just want to throw all this out there before it is
2014-06-25 23:30 <nebadon> stuff to ponder :)
2014-06-25 23:32 <dahlia> I wonder where they get lenses for that cardboard thing? finding some that worked was my problem
2014-06-25 23:32 <Misterblue> I'm sure nebadon always includes a physics mesh with his terrain mesh :)
2014-06-25 23:32 <dahlia> haha
2014-06-25 23:33 <dahlia> I ended up using 2 pairs of the highest power off-the-shelf reading glasses I could find but it was still hard to focus
2014-06-25 23:33 <lkalif> Uploading with Radegast will automate that :P
2014-06-25 23:33 <nebadon> i do Misterblue i dont use LOD anymore
2014-06-25 23:33 <nebadon> i use select from file option on the physics tab
2014-06-25 23:34 <nebadon> and then I just select the same .dae file
2014-06-25 23:34 <djphil> hmmm the same isn't good
2014-06-25 23:34 <djphil> a simplified is better
2014-06-25 23:34 <nebadon> its the only way to get good collisions with terrain
2014-06-25 23:34 <nebadon> no its not djphil
2014-06-25 23:34 <nebadon> this is terrain
2014-06-25 23:34 <Misterblue> for terrain it might be.... for a high rez chair, probably not
2014-06-25 23:34 <nebadon> it needs to be exact
2014-06-25 23:35 <nebadon> right
2014-06-25 23:35 <nebadon> this only applies to terrain
2014-06-25 23:35 <djphil> yes i understand ...
2014-06-25 23:35 <nebadon> everything else most of the stuff i select no physics
2014-06-25 23:35 <nebadon> and use prim cubes for collision
2014-06-25 23:35 <nebadon> stuff like chairs, and even my racer
2014-06-25 23:35 <nebadon> my racer almost all the mesh is no physics
2014-06-25 23:35 <nebadon> the tires are spheres
2014-06-25 23:35 <nebadon> the body is a cube
2014-06-25 23:35 <nebadon> just invisible cant see em
2014-06-25 23:36 <lkalif> are physics properties per prim implemented in opensim?
2014-06-25 23:36 <lkalif> the prim/hull/no physics selector?
2014-06-25 23:36 <nebadon> yes
2014-06-25 23:36 <nebadon> well
2014-06-25 23:37 <nebadon> hulls no
2014-06-25 23:37 <lkalif> cool
2014-06-25 23:37 <AliciaRaven> that always jumps back to prim no mater what i set it to
2014-06-25 23:37 <djphil> yes, for me it works
2014-06-25 23:37 <nebadon> but we can specify no physics for certain prims in a linkset
2014-06-25 23:37 <smxy> Misterblue: I notice that my feet don't touch the ground. They are several inches above it. Much higher, if I take my boots off, too.
2014-06-25 23:37 <nebadon> ya thats known smxy
2014-06-25 23:37 <nebadon> its the avatar capsule
2014-06-25 23:37 <lkalif> nebadon: well prim/none are the important ones anyway
2014-06-25 23:37 <nebadon> it really needs improvement
2014-06-25 23:37 <Misterblue> I tuned standing for Ruth... there are way too many other variables
2014-06-25 23:37 <nebadon> my avatar cant even walk over thins that are like .01 thick
2014-06-25 23:38 <nebadon> unless i walk directly stright into it
2014-06-25 23:38 <smxy> Since most people aren't Ruth, that doesn't really help.
2014-06-25 23:38 <Misterblue> I thought I fixed that, Nebadon
2014-06-25 23:38 <nebadon> if my avatar is rotated even slightly, i cant walk over even the thinest lip
2014-06-25 23:38 <nebadon> no
2014-06-25 23:38 <nebadon> not that I cant tell anyway
2014-06-25 23:38 <nebadon> its better but its not right
2014-06-25 23:38 <Misterblue> you are very poor at making Mantis entries
2014-06-25 23:38 <nebadon> I am i have had so little time lately
2014-06-25 23:39 <nebadon> i also kind of assumed that was already an open mantis
2014-06-25 23:39 <lkalif> I will save you some time :P
2014-06-25 23:41 <nebadon> let me log in and test it again on updated region Misterblue 
2014-06-25 23:41 <nebadon> I think im already updated though
2014-06-25 23:43 <osmantis> Bug #6876:04 [BulletSim] Avatar Mesh underwater levitation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6876 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-06-25 23:43 <Misterblue> I'm also looking into some funny laggyness that happens in varregions... makes movement hard for some people
2014-06-25 23:45 <nebadon> ya if your angle is less than like 40-45% it goes right up
2014-06-25 23:46 <nebadon> but if you hit things on a certain angle you just ride along the edge
2014-06-25 23:46 <nebadon> even stuff thats like 0.1 thick
2014-06-25 23:46 <nebadon> it is a lot better though Misterblue since your last fix
2014-06-25 23:47 <Misterblue> the angle is a parameter... I didn't think one should be able to walk up stairs at an angle
2014-06-25 23:47 <lkalif> why not?
2014-06-25 23:47 <Misterblue> but, this is one of those differences between the way the real world would have it and the way SL does it
2014-06-25 23:48 <Misterblue> it quickly becomes where one can walk up walls by walking against them at a large angle
2014-06-25 23:48 <Misterblue> if people want more stairs angle, we can change the parameter
2014-06-25 23:49 <Misterblue> it computes the angle of the avatar against the collisin normal with the stairs... if too large, the step up force is not applied
2014-06-25 23:49 <lkalif> Behaviour similar to SL is usually what people want
2014-06-25 23:50 <nebadon> well for me its curbs
2014-06-25 23:50 <nebadon> i am building these city models
2014-06-25 23:50 <nebadon> and with npcs
2014-06-25 23:50 <nebadon> sometimes they go off track
2014-06-25 23:50 <nebadon> but ive even noticed it this things like rugs on the floor
2014-06-25 23:51 <nebadon> for an avatar with full control its not as bad
2014-06-25 23:51 <nebadon> its with npcs who cant make smart decisions
2014-06-25 23:51 <nebadon> they can easily go off track
2014-06-25 23:51 <nebadon> this is where pathfinding would be helpful I am sure
2014-06-25 23:52 <Misterblue> The parameter is [BulletSim]AvatarApproachFactor... http://opensimulator.org/wiki/BulletSim#Avatar_Walking_Up_Stairs
2014-06-25 23:52 <nebadon> ok
2014-06-25 23:52 <djphil> yeah, hope pathfinding coming soon in opensim :p
2014-06-25 23:53 <Misterblue> 
ACTION looks out the window to see any flying pigs

2014-06-25 23:53 <lkalif> hahaha
2014-06-25 23:53 <nebadon> hah nice i was guessing 45 degrees
2014-06-25 23:53 <nebadon> glad that matches up to what i was feeling
2014-06-25 23:54 <lkalif> Intel is such a schizo company :P
2014-06-25 23:54 <djphil> 
ACTION aurora is partially in :p

2014-06-25 23:54 <Misterblue> now what'd they do?
2014-06-25 23:55 <djphil> eg : Pursue
2014-06-25 23:56 <djphil> I no longer remember all what works and what does not work. But it is a good start :)
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2014-06-26 00:03 <Misterblue> Nebadon, is there no longer a sandbox parcel on Wright Plaza?
2014-06-26 00:05 <dahlia> hasnt been one there for years
2014-06-26 00:05 <dahlia> might be able to rez stuff it the freebie area
2014-06-26 00:06 <dahlia> s/it/in
2014-06-26 00:06 <nebadon> Misterblue I converted it into more stores
2014-06-26 00:06 <nebadon> if you want though I can give you admin rights there
2014-06-26 00:06 <nebadon> 1 sec
2014-06-26 00:07 <Misterblue> no... I just want a quick sandbox
2014-06-26 00:07 <nebadon> oh ya Wright Plaza is not a good spot
2014-06-26 00:07 <nebadon> use Sisyphus
2014-06-26 00:07 <nebadon> or Sandbox Plaza
2014-06-26 00:08 <nebadon> there is also Sandbox Plaza II
2014-06-26 00:08 <nebadon> and Sandbox Plaza II which is varregion
2014-06-26 00:08 <danbanner> III is a var
2014-06-26 00:08 <nebadon> and if you want a 4 corner var sandbox, use OKC World
2014-06-26 00:08 <nebadon> oops
2014-06-26 00:08 <nebadon> ya sorry typo
2014-06-26 00:08 <danbanner> II & III are bulletsim
2014-06-26 00:08 <nebadon> oh Sandbox Plaza is ODE?
2014-06-26 00:08 <nebadon> i didnt know that
2014-06-26 00:08 <danbanner> yes
2014-06-26 00:08 <nebadon> ok good to know
2014-06-26 00:10 <smxy> This is just one of many  long threads like it, that I have seen in various G+ communities. People seem to be having an issue and then it becomes "trash OpenSim and the Devs" time: http://pastebin.com/GnzfE77J
2014-06-26 00:11 <smxy> I get so sick of people bitching and whining.
2014-06-26 00:11 <smxy> (yes, I realize I'm bitching and wehining. LOL) :)
2014-06-26 00:15 <nebadon> lol no way im reading that
2014-06-26 00:16 <nebadon> and people wonder why we tag opensim as alpha lol
2014-06-26 00:17 <nebadon> it wouldnt matter what we tag it honestly, cause most people wouldnt pay attention anyway
2014-06-26 00:20 <smxy> Leaving aside their whining though, there seems to be something with scripts.
2014-06-26 00:21 <nebadon> no doubt they are talking about physics related stuff
2014-06-26 00:21 <nebadon> like vehicles etc..
2014-06-26 00:21 <smxy> Well, the person who started the thread is talking about scripts that run her freebie homes.
2014-06-26 00:21 <smxy> Not sure what they do though.
2014-06-26 00:22 <nebadon> well we havent really made any changes to script engine
2014-06-26 00:22 <nebadon> none I can think of
2014-06-26 00:22 <nebadon> so if something broke its a result of something else outside the engine likely
2014-06-26 00:22 <nebadon> timing maybe or something
2014-06-26 00:23 <smxy> I will see if I can obtain some examples to test.
2014-06-26 00:23 <nebadon> ya
2014-06-26 00:23 <nebadon> without examples were just guessing
2014-06-26 00:23 <nebadon> it could also be they didnt update their inis
2014-06-26 00:23 <nebadon> which would not surprise me if it is that in the end
2014-06-26 00:24 <nebadon> this is also another downside of waiting months and years to update
2014-06-26 00:24 <nebadon> you run into a lot more problems
2014-06-26 00:30 <Misterblue> boy... physics is totally broken on Sandbox Plaza II... I can't get a simple hanging chain to work
2014-06-26 00:30 <Misterblue> if it's not one thing its another...
2014-06-26 00:30 <Misterblue> sigh... have some RL to handle... back in a bit
2014-06-26 00:31 <nebadon> they need to be pretty large
2014-06-26 00:31 <nebadon> i have one at Sisyphus
2014-06-26 00:31 <Misterblue> I used one that worked on the BulletSim regions... I wanted to measure preformance against a different server
2014-06-26 00:32 <Misterblue> at the moment, I have a cheap Atom server in my basement hosting the BulletSim regions
2014-06-26 00:32 <nebadon> ah
2014-06-26 00:32 <dahlia> I have a cheap atom server in my closet hosting osgrid regions :)
2014-06-26 00:32 <Misterblue> looks like it seriously doesn't have enough go to do more than host regions... physics is right out :)
2014-06-26 00:32 <danbanner> its possible that sandbox plaza II needs a restart
2014-06-26 00:33 <smxy> I posted on the thread, offering to help. Now we'll see if they want to figurre it out or just bitch and moan.
2014-06-26 00:34 <dahlia> smxy: reading whining like that does NOT make me care more
2014-06-26 00:34 <dahlia> offering to help does :)
2014-06-26 00:35 <dahlia> (note: I speak for myself, other devs may differ)
2014-06-26 00:35 <nebadon> Atoms are basically like running a Pentium D
2014-06-26 00:35 <nebadon> a dual core pentium 4
2014-06-26 00:35 <nebadon> in very small cpu die
2014-06-26 00:35 <dahlia> dunno, mine does hyperthreading
2014-06-26 00:36 <nebadon> ya but its still not faster than a pentium D
2014-06-26 00:36 <nebadon> benchmark wise
2014-06-26 00:36 <dahlia> ubuntu thinks its a quad core
2014-06-26 00:36 <nebadon> they are about the same peformance
2014-06-26 00:36 <dahlia> ya its pretty weak
2014-06-26 00:36 <dahlia> but... like 15ish watts :)
2014-06-26 00:36 <nebadon> ya
2014-06-26 00:36 <nebadon> and doesnt get 8000 degrees like pentium chips
2014-06-26 00:36 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-26 00:37 <dahlia> was 25ish before I swapped the disk out for a ssd
2014-06-26 00:37 <vegaslon> yep chains work in sandbox plaza III better then sandbox plaza II
2014-06-26 00:38 <smxy> dahlia, I almost didn't care enough to offer either, but thought I should, in case there really is an issue that needs fixing. I care about OpenSim working well. :)
2014-06-26 00:39 <SianaGearz> hey guys. this Bwild guy, has he already brought you the killer argument that you totally should insult "geeks" into doing what he believes needs to be done?
2014-06-26 00:39 <dahlia> smxy: I care too but I dont think whining sessions like that help, nor do I think they are intended to help
2014-06-26 00:40 <smxy> The problem is that lots of people listen to them and the whining in other threads and OpenSIm gets a bad rap because of it, because people believe that shit.
2014-06-26 00:41 <Dev_Random> heh... "there's 5000 scripts in that region and none of them work now"
2014-06-26 00:41 <dahlia> smxy: well thanks for trying to improve opehsim's image :)
2014-06-26 00:41 <dahlia> 5000? lol
2014-06-26 00:41 <dahlia> sounds like write plaza
2014-06-26 00:41 <smxy> That's what she said.
2014-06-26 00:42 <dahlia> wright
2014-06-26 00:42 <vegaslon> its over 5000
2014-06-26 00:42 <dahlia> there's 5000 scripts, all using llSleep
2014-06-26 00:43 <dahlia> seriously... this USED to be a community project way back when in the dark ages
2014-06-26 00:43 <danbanner> wright only has about 2800
2014-06-26 00:43 <nebadon> ive never gone above 3000 scripts in opensimulator
2014-06-26 00:44 <nebadon> it probably will start breaking down above that
2014-06-26 00:44 <dahlia> not sure Ive hit 100
2014-06-26 00:44 <dahlia> except maybe in oars
2014-06-26 00:44 <SianaGearz> these Atom netbooks, you can get them for like 120$ and stuff them over or under a modem, so neat and tiny.
2014-06-26 00:44 <SianaGearz> ehr nettops
2014-06-26 00:44 <nebadon> they are just so slow SianaGearz
2014-06-26 00:45 <SianaGearz> nebadon: yes, they are. depends what you need though :)
2014-06-26 00:45 <nebadon> ya true
2014-06-26 00:45 <nebadon> what really annoys me about Atoms
2014-06-26 00:45 <nebadon> is you cant have more than 4gb ram
2014-06-26 00:45 <dahlia> they work good for some regions with fewer scripts and not so many avatars
2014-06-26 00:45 <nebadon> and most netbooks you can only have 2gb ram
2014-06-26 00:46 <dahlia> I have maybe 12ish regions running on mine, including a 1024 var
2014-06-26 00:47 <lkalif> there is this hosting company SianaGearz discovered
2014-06-26 00:47 <lkalif> they have atom servers for €8 a month, something like that
2014-06-26 00:47 <nebadon> i wish it was possible to make like a 100 core workstation with 256gb ram
2014-06-26 00:47 <lkalif> dedicated real hardware
2014-06-26 00:47 <nebadon> its probably running in one of those atom clusters
2014-06-26 00:47 <lkalif> 500 gb hard, atom , 2 gb ram
2014-06-26 00:47 <dahlia> lkalif: if its the one Im thinking of they only sell to european customers
2014-06-26 00:47 <nebadon> they are basically like cards that slide into a rack
2014-06-26 00:48 <nebadon> they can put like 100 of them in 1 rack
2014-06-26 00:48 <lkalif> dahlia: they have canadian dept
2014-06-26 00:48 <dahlia> ah didnt see that
2014-06-26 00:48 <SianaGearz> wow. buy this RIGHT NOW! be as smart as 361 other people! http://www.ebay.de/itm/200824884475
2014-06-26 00:48 <lkalif> http://www.kimsufi.com/ie/
2014-06-26 00:49 <nebadon> http://www.anandtech.com/show/3768/seamicro-announces-sm10000-server-with-512-atom-cpus-and-low-power-consumption
2014-06-26 00:49 <SianaGearz> it must be made out of PURE SOLID GOLD!
2014-06-26 00:49 <nebadon> 512 atom cpus in 1 rack server
2014-06-26 00:49 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-26 00:49 <dahlia> I have a region running on a $5 digital ocean instance, seems to run ok but its slow comared to the atom in my closet
2014-06-26 00:49 <nebadon> you could probably fit 4 of those on 1 rack 
2014-06-26 00:49 <nebadon> maybe 5
2014-06-26 00:50 <nebadon> ya its 4
2014-06-26 00:50 <nebadon> probably make a nice server :)
2014-06-26 00:52 <SianaGearz> you can get Celeron 1037U nettops very cheaply. they're proper out-of-order processors, aren't they?
2014-06-26 00:54 <SianaGearz> yeah it's basically a Core i3 minus hyperthreading or so.
2014-06-26 00:54 <vegaslon> could you run opensim on a beowulf cluster?
2014-06-26 00:54 <dahlia> I thought celeron was pretty ancient architecture
2014-06-26 00:54 <dahlia> like low power pentium or whatnot
2014-06-26 00:54 <nebadon> probably not vegaslon
2014-06-26 00:55 <nebadon> not effectively anyway
2014-06-26 00:55 <lkalif> intel is reusing names, confuses everyone
2014-06-26 00:55 <dahlia> oh
2014-06-26 00:55 <nebadon> ya Intel is nutty with all the variations
2014-06-26 00:55 <nebadon> and different socket types
2014-06-26 00:55 <lkalif> they are also selling cpus under "pentium" brand again
2014-06-26 01:00 <Trinity93> well they did work aufaly hard at createing the brand name
2014-06-26 01:00 <Trinity93> problay spent way to much doing it
2014-06-26 01:00 <nebadon>  I think the pentium and celeron are strickly mobile now
2014-06-26 01:00 <nebadon> you can not buy them raw for desktop or server use
2014-06-26 01:01 <nebadon> they are integrated onto boards
2014-06-26 01:01 <nebadon> not really loose chips
2014-06-26 01:01 <lkalif> some brands should be abondoned, like when you hear "atom cpu", you think "it sucks"
2014-06-26 01:01 <lkalif> yet they still use it
2014-06-26 01:01 <Trinity93> all so there competition couldent just sell I586's 
2014-06-26 01:01 <nebadon> atom certainly has its uses
2014-06-26 01:01 <Trinity93> and claim equivelence
2014-06-26 01:02 <nebadon> atoms are good for media servers or smart tvs
2014-06-26 01:02 <zadark> I have a DELL netbook, Atom cpu, 2 gb  and SSD, uptime 623 days. Single standalone running bulletsim (with dangling chains) plus a host of test scripts.  Built in standby battery. 
2014-06-26 01:02 <nebadon> running windows 8 on one is a bad idea though
2014-06-26 01:02 <Trinity93> does most of there customers even know what the diference is between what an atom or core 2 duo or what funky rand they are useing at the time
2014-06-26 01:02 <Trinity93> is 
2014-06-26 01:03 <smxy> They said they would welcome my help. Once I get some idea of what's going on, I'll report back.
2014-06-26 01:03 <nebadon> my HP atom netbook gets so freakin hot
2014-06-26 01:03 <nebadon> i basically shut it off and put it in a draw somewhere i never have to look at it again
2014-06-26 01:03 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-26 01:03 <Trinity93> my del mini 9 is an atom
2014-06-26 01:03 <nebadon> replaced it with a Samsung Galaxy Note 8.0
2014-06-26 01:03 <nebadon> its so much better
2014-06-26 01:21 <SianaGearz> nebadon: my samsung netbook would run hot too; i opened it up to see why, and what i saw, was that any cooling there had been by accident. and that by design.
2014-06-26 01:22 <nebadon> heh ya
2014-06-26 01:22 <nebadon> i have to say though my anroid tablet runs circles around my hp netbook
2014-06-26 01:22 <SianaGearz> nebadon: like there's a fan, but it totally isn't where you'd effectively extract warm air, and the heatsink on the cpu was VERY pathetic, and placed such that the airflow barely went through it at all.
2014-06-26 01:23 <nebadon> my netbook go so hot that after about a year just after warranty was up
2014-06-26 01:23 <nebadon> the battery basically melted
2014-06-26 01:23 <nebadon> after that i always just ran it plugged in lol i wasnt going to spend another cent on that thing, it worked ok for a while, but overall it was a disappointing experience
2014-06-26 01:24 <SianaGearz> oh? mine is running fine. it's not even too warm to touch, it's merely a bit unnecessarily warm.
2014-06-26 01:24 <nebadon> ya mine go to hot you could barely touch it
2014-06-26 01:24 <nebadon> then again i was probably pushing it too hard
2014-06-26 01:24 <nebadon> i replaced XP with OpenSuse 12.3
2014-06-26 01:25 <SianaGearz> i once forgot a spoon at the cpu fan side of my ultrabook while running singu, and it turned the spoon into ashes.
2014-06-26 01:25 <SianaGearz> j/k
2014-06-26 01:25 <SianaGearz> nono, linux on netbook is the right choice.
2014-06-26 01:26 <nebadon> this is what i had
2014-06-26 01:26 <nebadon> http://www.pcworld.com/product/43062/mini-311-1000nr-netbook.html
2014-06-26 01:26 <nebadon> i say had because i like to pretend its not sitting in a draw 10 feet from me out of site
2014-06-26 01:26 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-26 01:26 <SianaGearz> ooooh, it's an Ion?
2014-06-26 01:27 <nebadon> I dont think it was
2014-06-26 01:27 <nebadon> i dont know why that page says that
2014-06-26 01:27 <nebadon> it has Intel video
2014-06-26 01:27 <nebadon> I think they are wrong on that page
2014-06-26 01:27 <nebadon> even lower on that page it says intel video
2014-06-26 01:27 <nebadon> wierd
2014-06-26 01:28 <SianaGearz> they probably made 2 versions. that was common enough.
2014-06-26 01:28 <nebadon> ya possible but that part # matches mine exactly
2014-06-26 01:28 <nebadon> I just think they were wrong on that site honestly
2014-06-26 01:29 <nebadon> ions have Nvidia Gefore 9000 cars if i recall
2014-06-26 01:29 <nebadon> not Intel GMA 950 (UMA) 
2014-06-26 01:29 <nebadon> like that page lists in the spec
2014-06-26 01:30 <nebadon> ya ion is a NVIDIA GeForce 9400M
2014-06-26 01:30 <nebadon> i wouldnt be complaining i dont think if it was ION heh
2014-06-26 02:18 <djphil> i see PRIM_SPECULAR and PRIM_NORMAL are added in master but not PRIM_ALPHA_MODE ... why ?
2014-06-26 02:18 <djphil> https://github.com/opensim/opensim/commit/a93799d03b9ee070dd4a6c2f4a3e36374aa5ef86
2014-06-26 02:26 <dahlia> djphil: PRIM_SPECULAR and PRIM_NORMAL are there but they dont do anything. I didnt add PRIM_ALPHA_MODE because I wasn't aware of it.
2014-06-26 02:26 <djphil> :)
2014-06-26 02:28 <dahlia> I may add ability for PRIM_SPECULAR and PRIM_NORMAL for llGetPrimitiveParams, but there are some complications with adding them to llSetPrimitiveParams 
2014-06-26 02:30 <djphil> even manually it still does not work very well (for the syncronisation textures)
2014-06-26 02:30 <dahlia> for what?
2014-06-26 02:31 <djphil> in the viewer when you use the 3 textures (color, spec and normal) you can check "syncronise" and it should properly align the three textures. I found that it was not working very well
2014-06-26 02:32 <dahlia> I suspect thats a viewer issue
2014-06-26 02:32 <djphil> i have tested that with FS only
2014-06-26 02:32 <dahlia> viewer sets them, the sim only reflects how they are set by the viewer
2014-06-26 02:34 <dahlia> anyway the protocol extension LL used for materials was a very convoluted hack and mixes messages across multiple protocols. It would not surprise me at all if there were issues with our implementation, or SL's either for that matter
2014-06-26 02:34 <dahlia> they really f$&(#@ that one up :P
2014-06-26 02:36 <djphil> you've seen the hack SL paralax textures?
2014-06-26 02:37 <dahlia> I've seen where parallax mapping has been added to a LL viewer in the past, not sure if its the same you're speaking of
2014-06-26 02:37 <djphil> bump map dragging certainly not far ^^
2014-06-26 02:37 <djphil> probably same yes (in youtube)
2014-06-26 02:38 <dahlia> dunno, the one I saw was several years ago
2014-06-26 02:38 <djphil> yes
2014-06-26 02:38 <dahlia> could be then
2014-06-26 02:38 <djphil> yep
2014-06-26 02:38 <djphil> it is truly spectacular :)
2014-06-26 02:40 <dahlia> well it did have a certain appeal but it may not be practical
2014-06-26 02:41 <djphil> if you like phycadelic visual fx
2014-06-26 02:42 <djphil> like little pigs out of the window
2014-06-26 02:44 <djphil> it is time for me to count sheep, good night
2014-06-26 07:07 <osmantis> Bug #7237:04 Robust problem when crearing users (robust+mysql) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7237 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-26 10:32 <osmantis> Bug #7236:04 [Script] PRIM_PHANTOM does not work for a single prim in a linkset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7236 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-26 11:06 <lkalif> heh, meshupload worked the first time on opensim
2014-06-26 11:17 <lkalif> and it's not even 1000 lines of code yet :P
2014-06-26 11:30 <NickyP> lkalif: +1
2014-06-26 13:01 <Wanderer_42> Hi. Anyone online and can answer, what kollation-format a new mysql-database should have ?  MariaDB has as default:  latin1_swedish_ci.  I am here in germany
2014-06-26 13:12 <Dev_Random> utf8_unicode_ci seems like a reasonable choice.  More (and recent) setup info in http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7123 .
2014-06-26 13:14 <Wanderer_42> Thank you.  So that one is not so good ?  utf8_general_ci     I found that in an older website
2014-06-26 13:17 <lkalif> It won't matter much either way, that is used for stuff like sorting database search results.
2014-06-26 13:17 <Dev_Random> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/766809/whats-the-difference-between-utf8-general-ci-and-utf8-unicode-ci
2014-06-26 13:18 <Dev_Random> Now I know.....
2014-06-26 13:20 <Wanderer_42> So utf8_general_ci would fit ?  Because of your Link that one is better for performance
2014-06-26 13:21 <Wanderer_42> If unicode is not needed, i would prefer  the "general"-version
2014-06-26 13:25 <Dev_Random> Down in the "What shoud you use" section, that link also says "There is almost never any reason to use utf_general_ci anymore".
2014-06-26 13:26 <Dev_Random> I don't imagine it matters much for OpenSim either way though... as lkalif said earlier.
2014-06-26 13:27 <Wanderer_42> yes. but there was a discussion about that in the past. Thats the reason why i ask
2014-06-26 13:28 <Wanderer_42> I cant remember correctly at the discussion and its conclusion
2014-06-26 13:32 <AllenKerensky> as I remember it - utf_general_ci and MyISAM were preferred because they were "faster" - but there was no science shown to support that with OpenSim
2014-06-26 13:32 <AllenKerensky> out of that discussion, I chose utf_unicode_ci for more accurate and consistent processing of the wider range of possible user-generated input for object or region names and the like
2014-06-26 13:33 <AllenKerensky> and I chose InnoDB for its better ACID compliance, resilience against the terrible things I would do to my database - and better performing cluster index and row-vs-table locking
2014-06-26 13:34 <AllenKerensky> ultimately - its all an experiment until you do tests with both options to generate data to base a choice on
2014-06-26 13:35 <Wanderer_42> BTW: Sorry for asking in two groups. Thought, at this day-time the chance for an answer would  justify that ;-)
2014-06-26 13:35 <AllenKerensky> no worries here
2014-06-26 14:03 <NickyP> is there a wiki for xbakes set up I have a local with robust and one opensim with multiple sims?
2014-06-26 14:04 <NickyP> sims/regions
2014-06-26 14:16 <NickyP> nebadon: ^ looks like you did xbakes on osgrid; do you have notes from when it was done on osgrid?
2014-06-26 14:45 <smxy>  Nicky: to set up xbakes, there's a line to uncomment in the robust config file. Then you need to add two lines to OpenSim.ini
2014-06-26 14:45 <smxy> Here's mine:
2014-06-26 14:45 <smxy> [XBakes]
2014-06-26 14:45 <smxy>     URL = http://sanctuary.homelinux.org:8013
2014-06-26 14:45 <smxy> Normally that would be 8003
2014-06-26 14:46 <smxy> Someplace, you have to tell it where the bakes get stored, too. Trying to find that.
2014-06-26 14:47 <smxy> Ah, also in the robust config. See [BakedTextureService]
2014-06-26 14:47 <smxy> That's it.
2014-06-26 14:48 <smxy> There are no xbakes for standalone.
2014-06-26 14:48 <smxy> Only Robust
2014-06-26 14:58 <smxy> NickyP:^^
2014-06-26 15:10 <nebadon> hey NickyP i don't recall the exact date we did it
2014-06-26 15:11 <nebadon> but if you have questions I may be able to answer them, i have several grids running xbakes now
2014-06-26 15:53 <NickyP> ^when I add the line to robust.ini and start it can't find the add on dll
2014-06-26 15:55 <NickyP> nebadon: smxy ^
2014-06-26 15:56 <NickyP> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/hbcp74E6
2014-06-26 16:20 <smxy> NickyP If you are running current code, your robust config file should have this in it:
2014-06-26 16:20 <smxy> ;; Uncomment to provide bakes caching
2014-06-26 16:20 <smxy> ;BakedTextureService = "8003/OpenSim.Server.Handlers.dll:XBakesConnector"
2014-06-26 16:20 <smxy> uncomment the 2nd line
2014-06-26 16:21 <smxy> It should also have this in it:
2014-06-26 16:21 <smxy> [BakedTextureService]
2014-06-26 16:21 <smxy>     LocalServiceModule = "OpenSim.Server.Handlers.dll:XBakes"
2014-06-26 16:21 <smxy>     ;; This directory must exist and be writable for the user ROBUST runs as
2014-06-26 16:21 <smxy>     BaseDirectory = "/data/bakes"
2014-06-26 16:21 <smxy> That should fine, as is. Just make the dir and make sure it's writable as mentioned.
2014-06-26 16:22 <smxy> or point it elsewhere as you wish.
2014-06-26 16:22 <smxy> Then add this to your OpenSim.ini:
2014-06-26 16:22 <smxy> [XBakes]
2014-06-26 16:22 <smxy>     URL = http://sanctuary.homelinux.org:8013
2014-06-26 16:22 <smxy> using your URL and port (likely 8003), instead.
2014-06-26 16:23 <smxy> That's really all there is to it.
2014-06-26 16:24 <smxy> It desn't require any 3rd-party addons or DLLs. It's part of core.
2014-06-26 16:28 <NickyP> guess i had better start with a fresh clone because I don't see it with git pull
2014-06-26 16:42 <NickyP> robust.ini was one of my save and write over files do that explains no having certain lines.
2014-06-26 16:44 <NickyP> do/so,
2014-06-26 16:46 <nebadon> hey sorry was afk
2014-06-26 16:46 <nebadon> any progress?
2014-06-26 18:14 <lkalif> 
ACTION admits to watching the World Cup

2014-06-26 18:14 <lkalif> congrats to the US Americans :)
2014-06-26 18:16 <smxy> We won?
2014-06-26 18:18 <osmantis> Bug #1516:04 r 5059 - sitting on a default sphere chooses a different sit rotation than on LL grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-26 18:20 <lkalif> smxy: you lost against germany, but managed to qualify for second round, 1/8th final
2014-06-26 18:20 <lkalif> as the second best in the group
2014-06-26 18:20 <lkalif> eliminating Portugal, which is quite an accomplishment
2014-06-26 18:21 <LiruCookies> smxy: I don't know if we won, but I do know there's a crazed Uruguay player who bit an opponent for the third time..
2014-06-26 18:22 <LiruCookies> That's what I get from a quick search...
2014-06-26 18:22 <LiruCookies> lovely group of people..
2014-06-26 18:23 <lkalif> he was suspended for four months, 21 games
2014-06-26 18:24 <LiruCookies> But he'll clearly do it again
2014-06-26 18:24 <LiruCookies> He's done it before...
2014-06-26 18:24 <LiruCookies> Twice
2014-06-26 18:25 <LiruCookies> What were they called?
2014-06-26 18:25 <LiruCookies> Wendigos?
2014-06-26 18:30 <lkalif> Man, Linden "land impact" is insane
2014-06-26 18:31 <lkalif> I upload my mesh armchair, without LODs, and it wants 50 LI
2014-06-26 18:31 <lkalif> (this using Radegast)
2014-06-26 18:31 <lkalif> I upload with standard viewer and it's 4 with the crap autogenerated LOD
2014-06-26 21:15 <NickyP> I just did a git clone of opensim ran runprebuild.bat built w/o error but, there is no Opensim.exe of Robust.exe
2014-06-26 21:15 <NickyP> of/or
2014-06-26 21:17 <AllenKerensky> did you use xbuild or nant? did it die with errors?
2014-06-26 21:17 <NickyP> vs2010
2014-06-26 21:17 <NickyP> no errors
2014-06-26 21:18 <AllenKerensky> needs a winguru - I have no clue on vs2010
2014-06-26 21:18 <antont> prebuild is not the build, but prebuild :)
2014-06-26 21:18 <antont> afaik it just makes you the visual studio solution etc so that you can then build with it, no?
2014-06-26 21:18 <NickyP> yes
2014-06-26 21:19 <vegaslon> you also need to compile
2014-06-26 21:19 <antont> so .. did you do the build?
2014-06-26 21:19 <antont> with vs, after running prebuild
2014-06-26 21:19 <NickyP> yes built the solution in vs2010 with out errors
2014-06-26 21:21 <antont> you could search the folder for most recently created files to see what files the build created 
2014-06-26 21:21 <antont> perhaps to see where it put the exe if it made one
2014-06-26 21:21 <antont> i think it should just go to bin though
2014-06-26 21:21 <vegaslon> should be in bin folder
2014-06-26 22:05 <osmantis> Bug #7237:04 Robust problem when crearing users (robust+mysql) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7237 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-26 22:06 <osmantis> Bug #7237:04 Robust problem when crearing users (robust+mysql) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7237 ): has been CLOSED
2014-06-26 22:06 <osmantis> Bug #7237:04 Robust problem when crearing users (robust+mysql) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7237 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-06-26 23:01 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-26 23:08 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-26 23:17 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-26 23:27 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-26 23:29 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007220.
2014-06-26 23:29 <osmantis> Bug #7220:04 Hypergrid jump from OSGrid to Kitely Welcome Center confuses viewer / server about worn attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7220 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007238.
2014-06-26 23:48 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-26 23:51 <osmantis> Bug #7239:04 Windows compile regression 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7239 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-26 23:52 <osmantis> Bug #7239:04 Windows compile regression 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7239 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-26 23:56 <osmantis> Bug #7239:04 Windows compile regression 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7239 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-27 00:16 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-27 00:28 <osmantis> Bug #7239:04 Windows compile regression 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7239 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-06-27 04:12 <nebadon> lkalif ping
2014-06-27 06:53 <lkalif> dahlia: I'm almost done with the mesh upload
2014-06-27 06:54 <lkalif> I seem to be having some issues, with normals it looks like
2014-06-27 06:54 <lkalif> See http://i.imgur.com/CGtlPyU.png
2014-06-27 06:54 <lkalif> on the right is the original made out of prims
2014-06-27 06:54 <lkalif> on the left exported, then imported via collada
2014-06-27 06:55 <lkalif> I think I have to do something about the normals, the viewer seems to be uploading them with values in range -0.5 .. 0.5 like it does for position
2014-06-27 06:56 <lkalif> It is an issue with the normals that the one on the left has light highlights on the wrong end, right?
2014-06-27 07:02 <dahlia> normals are unit length, but it looks to me like you have them negated
2014-06-27 07:02 <dahlia> from that pic
2014-06-27 07:03 <lkalif> I'm wondering if conversion to 16 bit uint when I say range is -1 .. 1 is doing something weird
2014-06-27 07:03 <lkalif> if values are outside that to begin with
2014-06-27 07:03 <dahlia> dunno, but could LL viewer be recomputing normals on upload?
2014-06-27 07:04 <lkalif> there is a checkbox for that
2014-06-27 07:07 <lkalif> I think export file is fine
2014-06-27 07:07 <lkalif> http://i.imgur.com/d6mPQfS.png
2014-06-27 07:07 <lkalif> middle, original with prims
2014-06-27 07:08 <lkalif> left radegast upload, right replex upload
2014-06-27 07:09 <lkalif> nebadon's handy work :)
2014-06-27 07:10 <dahlia> ya I used that hippo when writing primmesher
2014-06-27 07:10 <dahlia> anyway, my guess is normals are reversed
2014-06-27 07:13 <lkalif> dahlia: when i move vertices around, do I have to adjust normals?
2014-06-27 07:13 <dahlia> here's mr. hippo :) https://vimeo.com/2123232
2014-06-27 07:13 <dahlia> move them around?
2014-06-27 07:13 <lkalif> i rotate and translate and scale the whole mesh
2014-06-27 07:14 <dahlia> why?
2014-06-27 07:14 <lkalif> it's needed for collada files that are produced by my exporter
2014-06-27 07:14 <lkalif> where S/R/T is not applied
2014-06-27 07:14 <lkalif> but provided as matrix
2014-06-27 07:15 <lkalif> most 3D software will export collada with those tranforms applied
2014-06-27 07:15 <dahlia> ya but after the mesh is loaded
2014-06-27 07:16 <dahlia> Id think you would upload the mesh as is, and also send something that says "use this matrix"
2014-06-27 07:16 <lkalif> I know I have to to do this mesh transform in this particular case
2014-06-27 07:16 <dahlia> but yeah, if you transform the mesh, you need to rotate the normals
2014-06-27 07:16 <lkalif> the question is, when I do that, what about normals
2014-06-27 07:16 <lkalif> ah ok
2014-06-27 07:17 <dahlia> does LL viewer do it?
2014-06-27 07:17 <lkalif> LL viewer imports it correctly. I cannot make heads or tails of their code
2014-06-27 07:17 <dahlia> correctly?
2014-06-27 07:18 <lkalif> the hippo looks ok after import with the viewer
2014-06-27 07:18 <dahlia> when you rez the hippo from the LL viewer and rez the one from radegast, do they have the same rotation in the prim editor?
2014-06-27 07:19 <lkalif> yes
2014-06-27 07:20 <dahlia> ~:
2014-06-27 08:13 <lkalif> wow, it's super slow on nebadon's terrains
2014-06-27 11:38 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-27 12:09 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-27 12:17 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-27 17:40 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-27 18:02 <xso> I am having a problem connecting simulators to my grid...  I can give u the conditions that I have troubleshooted and see if anyone knows the answer
2014-06-27 18:03 <xso> I open the ports on my router 9201 and 9200 - which are the ports my regions are running in Regions.ini it connects to the robust server and uploads the tiles properly
2014-06-27 18:03 <xso> however I cannot see the physical land in game at all - unless I open port 9000
2014-06-27 18:03 <xso> when I open port 9000, I can see the physical land. But I cannot travel to it
2014-06-27 18:04 <xso> it blocks me as if there is a wall/barrier between me and the border of the land
2014-06-27 18:05 <nebadon> are you changing the port in [Network] section of OpenSim.ini
2014-06-27 18:06 <nebadon> you need to make sure TCP is open and forwarding to your local IP on the router for this port in OpenSim.ini
2014-06-27 18:06 <nebadon> and then for whatever ports you have in Regions.ini needs to be TCP and UDP open and forwarded
2014-06-27 18:13 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-27 18:48 <xso> I changed the http_listener_port to 9210 and i checked it is accessable through the internet (via port checker) and the two sims are also responding - although I cannot get on the sims still
2014-06-27 18:51 <danbanner> config show Network will verify your changes
2014-06-27 19:00 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-27 19:10 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-27 19:27 <xso> Ok I teleported into the region using the map... it alowed me to do that... however when I try to go back to the regions that the robust server is running (dedicated server) it now has that wall preventing me to go back and if I use the map to teleport it says "the region dosent exist anymore" however my wife is on it and working
2014-06-27 19:33 <xso> there are a lot of IDs in the database that look like they are all the same such as regionIID are all 0's covenant are all 0's parcel titleID's are all 0's same with principalID (is that a problem?)
2014-06-27 19:37 <xso> is there some sort of maintainance I can perform on the robust server to clear inactive regions from the database
2014-06-27 22:48 <osmantis> Bug #7225:04 [PATCH]Bulletsim-- Implement Avatar Terminal Velocity 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7225 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-06-27 22:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #3659 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-27 22:52 <osmantis> Bug #5621:04 Mouse look position uses root prim in linkset when sitting on child prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5621 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-06-27 22:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3659: SUCCESS in 7 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3659/
2014-06-27 22:53 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Bulletsim: Create AvatarTerminalVelocity to BulletSim like what ODE and SL has. Before this falling from really high caused the avatar to fall faster then the veiwer can handle and cause camera issues.
2014-06-27 22:58 <osmantis> Bug #7218:04 [Bullet] Delay processing script collision events 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7218 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-27 23:06 <osmantis> Bug #7203:04 after restoration, cannot restart server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7203 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-06-27 23:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #3660 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-27 23:07 <osmantis> Bug #6496:04 BulletSim -- Collision events not being activated all the time when prims collide with bullets. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6496 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007218.
2014-06-27 23:07 <osmantis> Bug #7218:04 [Bullet] Delay processing script collision events 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7218 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006496.
2014-06-27 23:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3660: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3660/
2014-06-27 23:10 <osjenkins> dahlia: add LSL constant PRIM_ALPHA_MODE
2014-06-27 23:11 <osmantis> Bug #7185:04 When i rezz or wear and object for first time, i receive that error. Then everything works fine. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7185 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-06-27 23:13 <osmantis> Bug #7178:04 Adding a client authentication 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7178 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-06-27 23:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #3661 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-27 23:22 <osmantis> Bug #7140:04 [BULLETSIM] Check if terrain levels lower than 0m will be handled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-27 23:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3661: SUCCESS in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3661/
2014-06-27 23:22 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: change allow script crossings default in code to true in order to match OpenSimDefaults.ini
2014-06-27 23:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #3662 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-06-27 23:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3662: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3662/
2014-06-27 23:26 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Change default max phys prim size in code to match OpenSimDefaults.ini
2014-06-27 23:29 <osmantis> Bug #7160:04 AllowScriptCrossing is defaulted to false in code, but true in OpenSimDefaults.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7160 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-06-27 23:29 <osmantis> Bug #7159:04 Code default for max size physical prim does not match OpenSimDefaults.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7159 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-06-27 23:30 <osmantis> Bug #5621:04 Mouse look position uses root prim in linkset when sitting on child prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5621 ): has been CLOSED
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2014-06-28 02:28 <lkalif> diva: so you made it to ground safely :)
2014-06-28 02:29 <diva> oh hi lkalif. yes :)
2014-06-28 02:30 <diva> that looks super! I'm too tired today, but I'll try it tomorrow
2014-06-28 02:30 <lkalif> sure
2014-06-28 02:30 <diva> is it in libomv?
2014-06-28 02:31 <lkalif> yes, this is the bit in Radegasst that calls libomv functions https://github.com/radegastdev/radegast/blob/master/Radegast/GUI/Consoles/MeshUploadConsole.cs#L222
2014-06-28 02:31 <diva> great!
2014-06-28 02:33 <nebadon> is this in radegast now for download?
2014-06-28 02:33 <nebadon> the nightly?
2014-06-28 02:33 <lkalif> yes
2014-06-28 02:33 <nebadon> ok cool
2014-06-28 02:34 <nebadon> have to give that a try 
2014-06-28 02:34 <diva> Yesterday I went to visit the Teotihuacan pyramids near Mexico City. Someone ought to build that site in VR... I missed camming around!
2014-06-28 02:34 <nebadon> hehe
2014-06-28 02:34 <lkalif> lol
2014-06-28 02:34 <nebadon> that would be a fun project
2014-06-28 02:34 <diva> too many stairs!
2014-06-28 02:34 <nebadon> Stair Simulator v1.0!
2014-06-28 02:34 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-28 02:34 <lkalif> there is a problem with libomv and inventory and opensim, so just disable http inventory for now
2014-06-28 02:34 <nebadon> enjoy endless hours of stair climbing from your chair!
2014-06-28 02:35 <lkalif> in redegast settings
2014-06-28 02:35 <diva> I bet it would be awesome!
2014-06-28 02:35 <nebadon> ok
2014-06-28 02:35 <Melanie_T> diva: you're not just infected, you're terminal
2014-06-28 02:35 <Melanie_T> :)
2014-06-28 02:35 <diva> You should have seen those stairs Melanie_T!
2014-06-28 02:35 <Melanie_T> i have
2014-06-28 02:36 <Melanie_T> and f… no i didn't even consider going up there
2014-06-28 02:36 <diva> my legs are completly sore, and I just climbed the 1st level of the smaller pyramid...
2014-06-28 02:36 <diva> yeah. I looked tathe big one and said 'no thanks!, I'll wait for Neb to build this in OpenSIm :)"
2014-06-28 02:36 <nebadon> hehe
2014-06-28 02:38 <nebadon> I wish someone would post free lidar scans of big monuments
2014-06-28 02:39 <nebadon> really hard to find good GIS data
2014-06-28 02:39 <nebadon> even the really good stuff is pretty low quality
2014-06-28 02:40 <diva> that site is really cool, and it would have been even more impressive in its glory days. Apparently the pyramids were painted, not raw rock like now
2014-06-28 02:40 <nebadon> yea
2014-06-28 02:41 <nebadon> though towards the end probably not a place you wanted to visit lol
2014-06-28 02:41 <nebadon> you ever see Apoclypto?
2014-06-28 02:42 <diva> no
2014-06-28 02:42 <nebadon> omg rent it
2014-06-28 02:42 <diva> is that a movie?
2014-06-28 02:42 <nebadon> ya
2014-06-28 02:42 <smxy> Yes, by Mr. Asshole himself.
2014-06-28 02:42 <lkalif> google street view is going to end up there
2014-06-28 02:42 <smxy> Mel Gibson
2014-06-28 02:42 <smxy> Great movie though.
2014-06-28 02:43 <diva> does google have images of that site?
2014-06-28 02:43 <nebadon> maybe
2014-06-28 02:43 <lkalif> I alredy like to "explore" strange cities with the street view
2014-06-28 02:43 <nebadon> google will give you the street view equipent
2014-06-28 02:43 <nebadon> if you want to do very remote sites and monuments
2014-06-28 02:44 <nebadon> though i imagine big monuments like that you need permission
2014-06-28 02:44 <nebadon> but they have a backpack camera
2014-06-28 02:44 <diva> omg they do!
2014-06-28 02:44 <nebadon> just like the car
2014-06-28 02:44 <nebadon> ya
2014-06-28 02:44 <lkalif> someone took their gear and walked all over the grand canyon
2014-06-28 02:44 <nebadon> http://gizmodo.com/you-can-apply-to-use-googles-street-view-backpack-now-631925651
2014-06-28 02:44 <nebadon> ya you can apply
2014-06-28 02:44 <nebadon> and they will give it to you on loan
2014-06-28 02:45 <nebadon> im telling you diva we need the ball cameras
2014-06-28 02:45 <nebadon> they are cheap
2014-06-28 02:45 <nebadon> http://www.panono.com/ballcamera/
2014-06-28 02:46 <dahlia> toss it in the air and hope you catch it :D
2014-06-28 02:46 <nebadon> you saw what i did with just my camera
2014-06-28 02:46 <diva> afk for a bit
2014-06-28 02:47 <nebadon> k
2014-06-28 02:47 <nebadon> https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos
2014-06-28 02:47 <nebadon> did these with just a android phone
2014-06-28 03:06 <Bwild> Google ...share your photos...Get started...Upload|Googleplay|AppStore
2014-06-28 03:06 <Bwild> looks like a signup page
2014-06-28 03:08 <nebadon> oh
2014-06-28 03:08 <nebadon> might have to log into G+
2014-06-28 03:08 <nebadon> let me see
2014-06-28 03:09 <nebadon> how about this link
2014-06-28 03:09 <nebadon> https://plus.google.com/photos/101558395514182710128
2014-06-28 03:17 <Bwild> i only know its your photos via the Oni Kenkon logo
2014-06-28 03:18 <Bwild> the top ones looks like panorama stitching
2014-06-28 03:19 <Bwild> i bet your camera can flip those around into mini worlds
2014-06-28 03:19 <Bwild> http://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2013/07/stereographic.jpg
2014-06-28 03:20 <Bwild> which would be really fun if converted into vw walkthoughs
2014-06-28 03:21 <Bwild> say, stand on a spot and the next panorama from a different angle lets you continue walking around with the new view
2014-06-28 03:57 <Misterblue> has anyone notices a laggyness in varregions?
2014-06-28 04:00 <smxy> I have not.
2014-06-28 04:01 <Misterblue> I was talking to Cuteulala at the OS devel meeting this week and she was complaining that her varregions had a lag to them that made editing impossible
2014-06-28 04:02 <Misterblue> she has some videos but I haven't been able to duplicate it
2014-06-28 04:02 <Misterblue> wondered if anyone else has seen anything like that
2014-06-28 04:05 <nebadon> yes
2014-06-28 04:05 <nebadon> i have
2014-06-28 04:05 <nebadon> if you do things over border in vars
2014-06-28 04:05 <nebadon> its very slow
2014-06-28 04:06 <nebadon> like copying prims, linking and unlinking
2014-06-28 04:06 <nebadon> if your in the same region its fine though
2014-06-28 04:06 <nebadon> for me anyway
2014-06-28 04:09 <nebadon> Misterblue come to OKC World
2014-06-28 04:10 <Misterblue> that in OSgrid?
2014-06-28 04:10 <nebadon> yes
2014-06-28 04:10 <nebadon> if you log in i will TP you
2014-06-28 04:14 <Misterblue> do I want the tower or world?
2014-06-28 04:23 <nebadon> hey
2014-06-28 04:23 <nebadon> OKC world
2014-06-28 04:23 <nebadon> sorry Misterblue im there now
2014-06-28 04:23 <nebadon> i sent TP to you
2014-06-28 04:24 <Misterblue> I'm in OKC World
2014-06-28 04:24 <nebadon> come over to the 4 corners
2014-06-28 05:22 <nebadon> hah Misterblue you crash?
2014-06-28 05:22 <nebadon> i saw you turn into smoke then log out
2014-06-28 05:22 <nebadon> your ghost cloud is still there on the border
2014-06-28 05:22 <Misterblue> I crashed... hope I didn't take your regions with me
2014-06-28 05:22 <nebadon> no
2014-06-28 05:23 <Misterblue> I was moving around a physical shape and got on the border... I was stuck and couldn't move to either region... just stuck until I was logged out
2014-06-28 05:23 <nebadon> ah
2014-06-28 05:23 <nebadon> ya the border is a dangerous place
2014-06-28 05:24 <dahlia> 
ACTION does the border boogie...

2014-06-28 07:00 <osmantis> Bug #7240:04 [PATCH] Include option for AutoBackupModule to remove backups older than a given number of days 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7240 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-06-28 07:01 <osmantis> Bug #7240:04 [PATCH] Include option for AutoBackupModule to remove backups older than a given number of days 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7240 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-06-28 10:34 <osmantis> Bug #7240:04 [PATCH] Include option for AutoBackupModule to remove backups older than a given number of days 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7240 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-06-28 12:04 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-28 15:38 <djphil> @Nebadon : Mmmm meshmoon have cool 3D water :p http://www.imagerun.info/img176/x15qoo49ebqxv3v3.jpg
2014-06-28 15:39 <techplex> Is there a way to get both the item uuid and the sender uuid from an an inventory transfer instant message when it is originated by a prim? using libopenmetaverse 
2014-06-28 15:40 <nebadon> what is meshmoon djphil?
2014-06-28 15:40 <djphil> http://meshmoon.com/
2014-06-28 15:41 <djphil> realxtend based
2014-06-28 15:41 <nebadon> ah
2014-06-28 15:42 <nebadon> ya well any water mods for opensim would all pretty much be viewer side
2014-06-28 15:42 <djphil> he have normal client viewer and web based viewer too :)
2014-06-28 15:42 <djphil> Yeah Rev say me that
2014-06-28 15:44 <nebadon> Bluemars have really nice water too
2014-06-28 15:44 <djphil> yes !!! a very nice 3D water
2014-06-28 15:45 <djphil> for some years :p
2014-06-28 15:45 <djphil> hope soon in Opensim :)
2014-06-28 15:46 <nebadon> it seems unlikely to me, unless someone writes a totally new viewer
2014-06-28 15:46 <smxy> I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for it unless you look good in blue.
2014-06-28 15:46 <nebadon> which takes soon out of the equation :)
2014-06-28 15:46 <nebadon> one of the big problems with that
2014-06-28 15:46 <djphil> if you check inside Aurora Settings, Aurora have allready de module
2014-06-28 15:46 <djphil> now we wait a viewer :)
2014-06-28 15:47 <nebadon> is there is no distinction between inland water and ocean like water in opensim
2014-06-28 15:48 <djphil> It would also be nice
2014-06-28 15:48 <nebadon> the SL viewer would suffer great frame rate loss with animated water like that I suspect
2014-06-28 15:48 <nebadon> just look how horrible shadows are
2014-06-28 15:48 <nebadon> even a 780 GTX cant render shadows very well in the SL viewer
2014-06-28 15:49 <nebadon> horrible frame rates
2014-06-28 15:49 <nebadon> imagine adding animated water on top of that
2014-06-28 15:49 <djphil> hehe must be optimized alogorythme :p
2014-06-28 15:50 <djphil> no suction drains the impossible, let's be optimistic :)
2014-06-28 15:51 <nebadon> ya well that screenshot of meshmoon you sent
2014-06-28 15:51 <nebadon> the graphics qualith is very very low
2014-06-28 15:51 <nebadon> and there is no content
2014-06-28 15:51 <djphil> imagine your boat swaying in the rolling waves
2014-06-28 15:51 <nebadon> imagine a fully built out region with shadows and windlight
2014-06-28 15:51 <nebadon> and lots of avatars walking around
2014-06-28 15:51 <nebadon> its not as easy to render all of that
2014-06-28 15:52 <nebadon> i was looking on the meshmoon site for more screenshots
2014-06-28 15:52 <nebadon> but they dont seem to have any
2014-06-28 15:53 <djphil> it seems to be experiment by
2014-06-28 15:53 <djphil> I visited some regions but content is poor
2014-06-28 15:54 <djphil> I visited a demo area shaders
2014-06-28 15:54 <djphil> it possesses materials with 4 textures (color map, normal, secular, height map)
2014-06-28 15:54 <djphil> specular map*
2014-06-28 16:13 <nebadon> cool
2014-06-28 16:48 <osmantis> Bug #6656:04 Uniformity of handling local and hypergrid teleportable links in Chat/IM and incorrect FROM grid addresses on HG TP 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6656 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-06-28 17:22 <lkalif> diva is afraid of big data https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrIeQwfIIAAyVSa.jpg
2014-06-28 17:24 <smxy> hehehe
2014-06-28 17:33 <nebadon> lol
2014-06-28 23:43 <xso> could someone take a look @ this for me please its throwing an exception somewhere I have very little options to configure
2014-06-28 23:43 <xso> http://cityscapes.co/opensim.log
2014-06-28 23:43 <xso> Bulletsim threw an exception?
2014-06-28 23:43 <LiruCookies> 
ACTION wonders why at is so much more to type than @

2014-06-28 23:46 <Misterblue> that link doesn't work for me
2014-06-28 23:47 <xso> http://mobihomesearch.net/opensim.log
2014-06-28 23:47 <xso> try that one
2014-06-28 23:47 <Misterblue> missing 'm' at least
2014-06-28 23:47 <xso> nah cityscapes.co isnt propegated yet I dont think mobihomesearch should be fine
2014-06-28 23:48 <Misterblue> humm... Initialize2... on startup.... what are you running on? Linux?
2014-06-28 23:48 <xso> yep
2014-06-28 23:49 <xso> CentOs (5.8) I think
2014-06-28 23:49 <Misterblue> that is the very first call from C# into C++... 
2014-06-28 23:49 <LiruCookies> Opensim uses C++?
2014-06-28 23:49 <Misterblue> CentOs has been a problem before... Linux .so heck
2014-06-28 23:50 <xso> 7.6 was running fine I just did a clean upgrade on the server
2014-06-28 23:50 <Misterblue> BulletSim does... it has C++ code to connect the C# code with the C++ version of the Bullet physics engine
2014-06-28 23:50 <xso> 0.7.6
2014-06-28 23:50 <Misterblue> can you check which version of glibc?
2014-06-28 23:51 <Misterblue> also, 32bit or 64 bit?
2014-06-28 23:51 <xso> 64
2014-06-28 23:52 <xso> I can switch it over to OpenDynamicsEngine and it works fine
2014-06-28 23:53 <xso> ldd --version comes back 2.5
2014-06-28 23:53 <Misterblue> there is already a fix in BulletSim to not require newer versions of glibc for CentOS
2014-06-28 23:54 <Plugh> xso: I think you have an incorrect setting in the selection of the Physics engine.
2014-06-28 23:54 <Plugh> It says BulletUnmanaged. I would expect it to say BulletPhysics.
2014-06-28 23:55 <xso> I left everything default nothing is un-commented at all 
2014-06-28 23:56 <xso> if I use physics = OpenDynamicsEngine  I'm not losing out on anything aside from massive regions?
2014-06-28 23:58 <nebadon> bulletsim vehicles wont work in ODE
2014-06-29 00:00 <xso> well I sure would like to enjoy the enhanced features that is why I upgraded in the first place
2014-06-29 00:01 <xso> if u guys have any suggestions I would love to hear them - but everything is default in opensim.ini I cant imagine it being misconfigured
2014-06-29 00:01 <nebadon> xso are you using OpenSim.32bitlaunch.exe?
2014-06-29 00:02 <xso> no I am using the tar ball that is distributed through opensimulaor.org as 0.8 executing OpenSim.exe
2014-06-29 00:03 <nebadon> in windows?
2014-06-29 00:03 <xso> CentOS 5.8
2014-06-29 00:03 <nebadon> oh ya i see you said that
2014-06-29 00:03 <nebadon> hmm
2014-06-29 00:03 <nebadon> what version of mono?
2014-06-29 00:05 <xso> 2.10.8
2014-06-29 00:08 <Plugh> xso: I don't trust that the defaults, as stated in the .ini files, are actually the true defaults. In this case I would uncomment the line for the physics engine you want to use. It looks to me as if it defaulting to one that doesn't exist.
2014-07-02 22:53 <lkalif> justincc: it is you who is the most familiar with mesh upload bits in the sim I presume?
2014-07-02 22:54 <justincc> a bit, but dahlia may know more
2014-07-02 22:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #3663 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-02 22:55 <lkalif> there is one difference that is sort of bugging me, when uploading mesh with textures included, SL creates a folder in the textures folder (uuid gets sent by the viewer) called "XXX textures" where XXX is the name of the newly created object
2014-07-02 22:55 <Melanie_T> justincc: i fixed that once before
2014-07-02 22:55 <lkalif> right now opensim creates texture assets on mesh upload, but not inv. items
2014-07-02 22:55 <Melanie_T> the fix must have gotten lost
2014-07-02 22:56 <justincc> yes, now I've added a test so should notice if it gets broken again
2014-07-02 22:56 <Melanie_T> right :)
2014-07-02 22:56 <Melanie_T> first time i fixed it, it caused a bunch of errors
2014-07-02 22:56 <Melanie_T> due to the close methods of many modules doing nasty things
2014-07-02 22:56 <Melanie_T> which never bombed because they were never called
2014-07-02 22:57 <justincc> lkalif: if that's SL behaviour then I would say that we should probably do it too
2014-07-02 22:57 <justincc> Melanie_T: yes, it's not ideal, but I think that not actually calling Close() is worse
2014-07-02 22:57 <Melanie_T> of course
2014-07-02 22:57 <Melanie_T> and i did fix these issues back then
2014-07-02 22:58 <Melanie_T> so should be good now
2014-07-02 22:58 <justincc> it means there's no way for a shared region module to properly detect shutdown.  The only workaround is horrible scene counting which stops them working if you dynamically add/remove regions
2014-07-02 22:58 <Melanie_T> close is part of the spec so must be called
2014-07-02 22:58 <lkalif> yes, lacking inventory items for textures prevents some exporters from working since they rely on inventory to figure out if you are the creator of said textures
2014-07-02 22:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3663: FAILURE in 8 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3663/
2014-07-02 22:59 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Actually call Close() for shared region modules when the simulator is being shutdown.
2014-07-02 22:59 <Melanie_T> apart from that, if someone pays for a texture upload, they should be able to access the paid upload
2014-07-02 22:59 <justincc> lkalif: okay, yeah, sounds like what's done on normal upload of a texture
2014-07-02 22:59 <justincc> though in this case with a folder for multiple textures
2014-07-02 22:59 <Melanie_T> so whether sl does it or not, creating an inventory item is tjust the RightThing(™)
2014-07-02 23:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #3664 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #3662 4 days 23 hr ago)
2014-07-02 23:03 <lkalif> it's NewFileAgentInventory cap when asset_type = mesh
2014-07-02 23:03 <lkalif> you get sent texture_folder_id from the viewer
2014-07-02 23:06 <lkalif> this is what it looks like when I upload "chair 1" mesh with 3 textures in my textures folder in SL http://i.imgur.com/mYeiV5o.png
2014-07-02 23:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3664: STILL FAILING in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3664/
2014-07-02 23:06 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Re-enabled TestLifecycle regression test logging so I can get some idea of why it's failing on jenkins but not locally
2014-07-02 23:11 <justincc> lkalif: yeah, I think it needs to be done in BunchOfCaps.UploadCompleteHandler(0
2014-07-02 23:13 <justincc> a method which is far too long, but I think the textures come out via texture_list[i] so it will be a case of creating the appropriate inventory items there
2014-07-02 23:13 <justincc> lkalif: if you could create a mantis I'll look to do it when i get a chance, unless someone else does
2014-07-02 23:14 <lkalif> sure
2014-07-02 23:14 <justincc> thanks
2014-07-02 23:17 <dahlia> lkalif: justincc: I don't really know the upload code very well. Teravus originally wrote that part. I mostly focused on mesh asset decoding and physics
2014-07-02 23:17 <justincc> ok
2014-07-02 23:20 <Melanie_T> how does the viewer know where the textures should go?
2014-07-02 23:20 <Melanie_T> i never say a way to set that texture destination
2014-07-02 23:21 <Melanie_T> saw*
2014-07-02 23:27 <dahlia> which textures?
2014-07-02 23:27 <dahlia> the ones you can include in mesh upload?
2014-07-02 23:27 <justincc> yes
2014-07-02 23:27 <dahlia> they are probably designated in the collada file
2014-07-02 23:28 <justincc> the viewer stuffs them into texture_list.  I think I can see in the method where opensim is already extracting the uuids to stuff into the textureentrys
2014-07-02 23:29 <dahlia> does mesh upload also allow assignment and upload of specular and normal maps? that would get really nasty
2014-07-02 23:30 <justincc> I don't know.  I don't think they existed when that code was written, so perhaps not
2014-07-02 23:30 <justincc> or perhaps it's something not implemented yet
2014-07-02 23:30 <dahlia> hopefully they dont :P
2014-07-02 23:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #3665 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #3662 5 days 0 hr ago)
2014-07-02 23:35 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2014-07-02 23:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3665: FIXED in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3665/
2014-07-02 23:35 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Temporarily disable new regression test TestLifecycle() until I have a chance to fix it
2014-07-03 00:10 <smxy> dahlia: What *are* normal and specular maps/textures? I have bought some mesh items, that come with textures and they come with those too and I have no idea what they are for or what to do with them. They look "weird", unlike the regular textures.
2014-07-03 00:16 <dahlia> smxy: a normal map is a texture but each pixel represents a surface direction and affects the way light is reflected from the surface. They are used to add perceived detail to a mesh. A specular map is similar but each pixel represents how shiny that area is which affects shinyness of the object.
2014-07-03 00:16 <dahlia> wikipedia will probably tell you more.
2014-07-03 00:17 <smxy> No, I understand that. Thanks for explaining.
2014-07-03 00:18 <smxy> So that's what they define, but how would one use them? I mean if I buy mesh in world and I get them with it, what do I do with them?
2014-07-03 00:22 <dahlia> smxy: the prim editor dialog in mesh-enabled viewers let you use them similar to how you use textures
2014-07-03 00:26 <lkalif> no, mesh upload only supports diffuse textures
2014-07-03 00:47 <LiruCookies> dahlia: I believe you meant materials-enabled not mesh-enabled
2014-07-03 00:50 <smxy> Ah, that makes sense. Materials were mentioned in the description when I bought the mesh.
2014-07-03 00:51 <dahlia> LiruCookies: you're right, must have been some crossed dentrites on my end
2014-07-03 00:51 <smxy> I've not toyed with that yet at all.
2014-07-03 00:51 <smxy> Thanks for explaining it all. :)
2014-07-03 01:31 <NickyP> For learning I created a mesh cube and add 3 materials with primary color textures. Select the mesh upload to include textures and they show in preview and upload fine. What is meant by the textures being in a folder? The ones on the test cube just became colored faces. 
2014-07-03 01:35 <LiruCookies> huh?
2014-07-03 01:35 <NickyP> Is this an export-import case and not a create import case.
2014-07-03 01:39 <NickyP> comments earlier were that textures would be separated out into a folder. 
2014-07-03 01:39 <NickyP> on upload including textures
2014-07-03 01:39 <Melanie_T> in SL, textures uploadd as part of a mesh material also become available as textures
2014-07-03 01:40 <lkalif> try uploading a mesh with textures on Aditi and see in your textures folder
2014-07-03 01:40 <Melanie_T> in opensim, while the textures are applied, they are not in inventory
2014-07-03 01:40 <lkalif> just setting color to a face is not the same as having a texture
2014-07-03 01:40 <Melanie_T> so basically you pay for uploading a texture, where texture upload charging is enabled
2014-07-03 01:40 <Melanie_T> but you don't get to have the texture
2014-07-03 01:41 <Melanie_T> it's only on the object and if, for instance accidentally, replace it with anoter, you can't get it back short of re-uploading
2014-07-03 01:42 <NickyP> in blender it is the procedure to add a material that has a texture and exporting to dae and uploading
2014-07-03 01:43 <NickyP> Ill try on aditi am at sandbox II atm
2014-07-03 01:56 <NickyP> $11 i did an export and import and the color was present when I did an upload with textures  Looks like no extra charge when texture are for lack of better description "baked: into the item.
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2014-07-03 07:42 <zadarkAlt1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIeEc3QJgqs
2014-07-03 07:56 <osmantis> Bug #7247:04 LLUDPSERVER]: No packets received from child agent for 60000ms 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7247 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2014-07-03 08:01 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-07-03 08:10 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-07-03 17:36 <osmantis> Bug #7249:04 [BULLETSIM LINKSET COMPOUND] Linkset rebuild warning If this happen s more than one or two times 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7249 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
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2014-07-03 20:12 <Dayna> I've was reading about a Hypergrid export permission.  Where would I be able to find the Hypergrid export permission code at? 
2014-07-03 20:23 <orenh> Export permissions haven't been fully implemented in OpenSim yet. My grid (Kitely) has implemented it in our own way, which you can read about here: http://www.kitely.com/virtual-world-news/2014/05/19/kitely-now-supports-the-hypergrid-with-strong-content-protections/
2014-07-03 20:27 <Dayna> I was reading about it and I see something that looked like it had something to do with it in Singularity, but trying to get more information 
2014-07-03 20:28 <LiruCookies> Dayna: Talk to Melanie_T about it, or talk to me if she is not available, I worked with her on the viewerside of it all.
2014-07-03 20:28 <orenh> An "Export" flag was added to Singularity and Firestorm a while back. But OpenSim doesn't use it yet.
2014-07-03 20:28 <Melanie_T> at this momet, opensim allows setting/resetting it on enabled regions,, on rezzed objects
2014-07-03 20:28 <Melanie_T> it can't be set on objects in inventory yet
2014-07-03 20:29 <Melanie_T> that may actually never happen because of the necessary deep scan
2014-07-03 20:29 <Melanie_T> opensim doesn't yet do anything with the flag
2014-07-03 20:29 <Melanie_T> you can set it but that changes nothing
2014-07-03 20:29 <Melanie_T> viewers can use it as a guideline to allow exporting an object not made by the user
2014-07-03 20:29 <Melanie_T> and hypergrid will use it
2014-07-03 20:30 <Melanie_T> in the next iteration
2014-07-03 20:32 <Dayna> So there is no code per se that can be built off of?
2014-07-03 20:32 <LiruCookies> Melanie_T: You will neef the library to be exportable and hold all default assets by id, remember, otherwise it will appear as though things are unreasonably not export
2014-07-03 20:33 <Melanie_T> i believe the library permissions have been done. i saw a recent commit to that effect fly by
2014-07-03 20:34 <smxy> So why not make it do the deep scan? We need something thorough, robust and that creators will trust at least as well as they seem to trust Kitely's implementation.
2014-07-03 20:35 <LiruCookies> Deep scan is heavy
2014-07-03 20:35 <Melanie_T> the way i built it is by doing the same thing i do for folded permissions on content
2014-07-03 20:36 <Melanie_T> i determine the status of the flag and store it in an inventory item
2014-07-03 20:36 <Melanie_T> so an object within another object can be included without deep scan
2014-07-03 20:36 <Melanie_T> works pretty well
2014-07-03 20:36 <LiruCookies> YhThe deep scan means opdning the object and scanning its inventory and all subinventories and the textures on all objects and objects in contwnts for exportable pqualities
2014-07-03 20:37 <LiruCookies> That could be nastu with a coales ed object, couldn't it.
2014-07-03 20:39 <LiruCookies> Oh gawd the lag ^H
2014-07-03 20:42 <Dayna> It's basically down to making a custom module that would work with OpenSim? 
2014-07-03 20:52 <Dayna> I think I have all the information I need.  I'll pass it on over to my programmers.  I'm sure that I'll be back with more questions from them. 
2014-07-03 21:02 <smxy> Do we really want lots of competing ways of handling exports? Won't that just confuse content creators?
2014-07-03 21:33 <LiruCookies> smxy: Which is why I designed the viewer end under lgpl and swiftly got Cinder to put it into firestorm as I wrote it to be.
2014-07-03 21:41 <dahlia> I'm not seeing any advantage for a grid to *not* donate export code... isn't the whole point of exporting is to move content outside? Would seem that a common standard would be more likely to bring content in
2014-07-03 21:41 <LiruCookies> smxy: Since every viewer will enforce our original design to an extent, the server end cannot differ too much without completely bypassing the viewer, lkke orenh did
2014-07-03 21:42 <LiruCookies> dahlia: Some are too far from opensim
2014-07-03 21:43 <lkalif> it's very easy to bypass all these export restrictions. having draconian export permissions will just make sure nobody even attempts to do it in the official way
2014-07-03 21:43 <dahlia> LiruCookies: well ya except for code compatibility
2014-07-03 21:44 <lkalif> in any case export flag is more of a theoretical concept really
2014-07-03 21:44 <LiruCookies> naysayer.
2014-07-03 21:45 <dahlia> well an export flag signals permission
2014-07-03 21:45 <dahlia> so it probably has legal merit
2014-07-03 21:45 <lkalif> it doesn't exist, it has no merit
2014-07-03 21:46 <LiruCookies> dahlia: It does indeed.
2014-07-03 21:46 <dahlia> if it's in the asset data it exists
2014-07-03 21:47 <dahlia> or in the inventory data, or wherever it is
2014-07-03 21:49 <lkalif> you let someone of Melanie_T's ethics design a DRM, you put yourself on the fasttrack to obsolence
2014-07-03 21:56 <dahlia> well unless it's clearly documented what the flag means and there's no chance that the interpretation of the flag wont vary among users, it probably wouldn't have much merit in a infringement case
2014-07-03 21:57 <dahlia> like does "allow export" also mean "you are free to sell a bazillion of these on SL"?
2014-07-03 21:57 <dahlia> my guess is it may not
2014-07-03 21:58 <smxy> Then design us something better, lkalif, if you're so smart and believe yourself to be ethically and morally superior (which is debatable).
2014-07-03 21:58 <smxy> dahlia: I would think not, unless a license to resell was explicity given.
2014-07-03 21:58 <lkalif> who is "us"?
2014-07-03 22:00 <smxy> Everyone who uses OpenSim and the viewers. Or, if you prefer, the sentence works just as well if you drop "us" from it.
2014-07-03 22:01 <dahlia> we should probably refrain from debating anyone's ethics in this channel. It's really meant for technical discussions
2014-07-03 22:01 <AliciaRaven> wouldnt the intended meaning of export be set by each grid in their tos? usualy free to move to another grid for personal use i would expect
2014-07-03 22:02 <LiruCookies> dahlia: Allow export waives all rights on the contebt and allows anyone to use it how they please, in what ever project they wish, think of it as fullperm to the multiverse, not juat a single grid.
2014-07-03 22:02 <LiruCookies> Unless otherwise notwd, of course
2014-07-03 22:03 <lkalif> this definition only exist in LiruCookies head
2014-07-03 22:03 <smxy> I think it's the creators who should decide what it means and it should be consisten across grids.
2014-07-03 22:03 <LiruCookies> Like a licens.
2014-07-03 22:03 <dahlia> LiruCookies: is it clearly documented as such?
2014-07-03 22:03 <smxy> consistent*
2014-07-03 22:03 <lkalif> of course it is not
2014-07-03 22:04 <diva> do we have to enable something in OPenSim to make the export flag work?
2014-07-03 22:04 <dahlia> I would think "allow export" means if I try to export then it will succeed. I wouldn't assume it grants a license
2014-07-03 22:05 <SianaGearz> neither is the hop:// URL format which we're expected to support (but don't), neither are the var-sized regions. nothing is documented. nothing is ever documented.
2014-07-03 22:05 <smxy> There is a setting. But when I asked Melanie about it early this year (I think), it was decreed experimental and not fully functional, as I recall.
2014-07-03 22:05 <LiruCookies> dahlia: It allows export onto a harddrive and you can modify and copy and transfer, therefore it is implied that you have free reign over export content
2014-07-03 22:05 <justincc> in those cases, you can work out what is meant by the code, in the export case you can't
2014-07-03 22:06 <diva> why not?
2014-07-03 22:06 <smxy> export in this case Liru doesn't mean to your drive, but out of the grid you obtained the item on, to another grid.
2014-07-03 22:06 <lkalif> diva: you think code can convey legal intent?
2014-07-03 22:06 <justincc> I'm assuming because setting export allows a viewer-side export mechanism to dump the entire object, but can't say anything about what license was intended
2014-07-03 22:06 <dahlia> LiruCookies: I can also download a song on itunes and have it on my hard drive. If I then did whatever I wanted with it I could probably be on the receiving end of some pretty serious legal bills
2014-07-03 22:06 <justincc> A single flag is too low bandwidth - in the real world there are multitudes of different licenses
2014-07-03 22:07 <diva> yes
2014-07-03 22:07 <lkalif> diva: I have code that can save whole sims. And transfer them to other grids. Since I have that code it must be legal.
2014-07-03 22:07 <diva> so the flag means the same as a download button in iTunes, which means hey -- you should check the license
2014-07-03 22:07 <lkalif> And it also must convey the intent of the content creator since they sure send me data to enable it
2014-07-03 22:07 <justincc> diva: yes, so you could argue every object should also have space for an embedded license, perhaps
2014-07-03 22:08 <justincc> but on itunes, I guess it's all covered by ther overall itune license?
2014-07-03 22:08 <diva> not necessarily
2014-07-03 22:08 <diva> songs in iTunes don't come with individual licenses
2014-07-03 22:08 <justincc> or terms of service, perhaps
2014-07-03 22:08 <justincc> yes
2014-07-03 22:08 <dahlia> well sounds like nobody agrees what the flag means :)
2014-07-03 22:08 <justincc> so perhaps one could argue that a grid TOS governs export conditions....
2014-07-03 22:08 <diva> the flag means that the content is exportanble under some license that must be available somewhere
2014-07-03 22:09 <lkalif> somehow
2014-07-03 22:09 <dahlia> and usable for some undefined purpose
2014-07-03 22:09 <lkalif> lol
2014-07-03 22:09 <diva> undefined?
2014-07-03 22:09 <diva> why undefined?
2014-07-03 22:09 <justincc> for some time I've been planning to add a place in OAR/IARs to put and display a license, but never got round to it
2014-07-03 22:10 <dahlia> well... licensed for some undefined purpose
2014-07-03 22:10 <LiruCookies> Once you allow exporting to a user's own sim, they can do as they please with the content, so by giving export permission hou are legally waiving rights over content
2014-07-03 22:10 <diva> why?
2014-07-03 22:10 <justincc> but then that would have to govern the entire IAR/OAR, so not suitable for mixed content
2014-07-03 22:11 <dahlia> undefined because there is no mechanism to make sure the person setting the flag understands how the content will be used once it's exported and whether they were granting such a license
2014-07-03 22:11 <diva> LiruCookies that's not how iTunes works
2014-07-03 22:11 <LiruCookies> I am in a storm with 2G coverage in PA, I cannot be havinf this conversation *sigh*
2014-07-03 22:11 <diva> :)
2014-07-03 22:11 <lkalif> why should how iTunes work matter in any case?
2014-07-03 22:11 <smxy> I'm in eastern PA and it's rumbling here. I feel your pain Liru. :)
2014-07-03 22:11 <diva> dahlia: as undefined as songs in iTunes
2014-07-03 22:12 <LiruCookies> diva: There was no itunes in the discussion when I said that.
2014-07-03 22:12 <diva> I'm just jumping in. I want to use the export flag, and I want to know what I need to do to make it work in OpenSim. Last time I tried it didn't work
2014-07-03 22:12 <LiruCookies> smxy: I am on the road X3
2014-07-03 22:13 <LiruCookies> diva: OpenSimExtras
2014-07-03 22:13 <dahlia> diva: I suspect that itunes probably has a TOS which tends to define such things. Anyway I was commenting on the legal merit of such a flag which we all know doesnt exist until it's proven in court anyway (btw IANAFL)
2014-07-03 22:13 <diva> what var name / CAP there?
2014-07-03 22:13 <justincc> part of SimulatorFeatures - http://opensimulator.org/wiki/SimulatorFeatures_Extras
2014-07-03 22:14 <LiruCookies> SupportsExport? export_support?
2014-07-03 22:14 <lkalif> diva: lookup the cap documentationm the one I forced you to make :P
2014-07-03 22:14 <diva> dahlia we are not making laws here or even discussing them. It's pretty clear that the some expression of intent to export is missing from this system, and we need to add it
2014-07-03 22:14 <lkalif> diva: I know that you are dead set against documenting stuff, but make an exception here ;)
2014-07-03 22:14 <LiruCookies> Something like that
2014-07-03 22:15 <dahlia> so my point is the flag probably serves no purpose other than allowing export. what happens after the export isnt controlled by the flag.
2014-07-03 22:15 <justincc> I guess in theory you could requite the object to have a LICENSE notecard somewhere in its inventory which further specifies the terms
2014-07-03 22:15 <AliciaRaven> LiruCookies, there is lots of content on the internet you can freely download to your computer, that doesnt mean you can do what you want with it, usualy a text licence is given
2014-07-03 22:15 <diva> k thanks
2014-07-03 22:15 <justincc> yes, the export flag on the internet is making it available for download, I guess
2014-07-03 22:16 <AliciaRaven> in sl full perm items usualy have a note card licence, saying u can use it in your builds but cant resell as is etc
2014-07-03 22:16 <justincc> the conditions are usually stated on the webpage and/or in some license file in the download or even at the top of every page (as for opensimulator)
2014-07-03 22:17 <justincc> diva: heh, you did write that parts of that SimulatorFeatures page that I didn't
2014-07-03 22:17 <lkalif> justincc: took some armtwisting
2014-07-03 22:23 <AliciaRaven> justincc, have u had chance to look at the patch i submitted for the backup module?
2014-07-03 22:23 <justincc> AliciaRaven: oh another one?  I thought I had applied it?
2014-07-03 22:23 <LiruCookies> AliciaRaven: Did you not read what I said? "unless otherwise noted" but ecport flag basicslly waives the rights, resale is given with trans permission unless otherwise ststed any terms addressed with the content still go but at its core export means waiving rights because once it lesves a grid the content is forfeited 
2014-07-03 22:23 <justincc> I did apply one a little while back
2014-07-03 22:23 <justincc> LiruCookies: and where does it say you waive such rights?
2014-07-03 22:24 <AliciaRaven> yes i submitted another, it deletes backups older than a given number of days if enabled
2014-07-03 22:24 <AliciaRaven> LiruCookies, sorry i missed that part
2014-07-03 22:25 <justincc> AliciaRaven: do you have the number/url?
2014-07-03 22:25 <LiruCookies> If you let something be taken away to a place owned by someone else, you lose control over what they may do with it, export exists to alloe this
2014-07-03 22:25 <justincc> AliciaRaven: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7240 ?
2014-07-03 22:26 <justincc> LiruCookies: I disagree.  If you allow it to be downloaded then you still own the copyright over it and so can specify the license
2014-07-03 22:26 <justincc> the act of downloading is not a transfer of ownership
2014-07-03 22:26 <AliciaRaven> thats it justincc
2014-07-03 22:27 <lkalif> You cannot simply use any photograph on the internet just because it's in a web page and thus downloaded by your browser
2014-07-03 22:27 <justincc> AliciaRaven: ok, busy with a few other things today but will hope to take a look tomorrow if no-one else does first
2014-07-03 22:27 <zadarkAlt1> If when $ git log -S "bool append = (AttachmentPt & 0x80) != 0;" --source --all
2014-07-03 22:27 <zadarkAlt1> and one of the commits reports Conflicts:  Is that bad?
2014-07-03 22:27 <LiruCookies> Which is why I say that if a license were to be specified beforehand then that license still holds but if it is not under such a license and is export one can sssume that it is open and free
2014-07-03 22:27 <AliciaRaven> ok np, not sure if u would rather it include bak in the file name so it can filter the oars and not just remove all old oar files from the directory
2014-07-03 22:27 <justincc> zadarkAlt1: No, that line can remain in the commit message even after the conflict itself is fixed
2014-07-03 22:28 <zadarkAlt1> Good, had me worried for a moment
2014-07-03 22:28 <LiruCookies> Obne nust explicitly say I want this to be exportable 
2014-07-03 22:28 <justincc> LiruCookies: that's not how the law sees it though.  If the owner does not specify a license or agreed to terms of service that give a license then they retain owenership
2014-07-03 22:29 <LiruCookies> Melanie_T: Ping
2014-07-03 22:29 <Melanie_T> LiruCookies: pong
2014-07-03 22:29 <LiruCookies> Melanie_T: What msnner of license goes with export?
2014-07-03 22:31 <Melanie_T> that is for the creator to define. technological means cannot be used to define and enforce a license beyond grid boundaries, so the license that is effective for any given object needs to be set by the creator, for instance on an included notecard.
2014-07-03 22:31 <Melanie_T> if none is given, the assumption is "public domain
2014-07-03 22:31 <justincc> Melanie_T: I don't think that's the case in law.  I would think that the owner retains all rights if nothing is specified
2014-07-03 22:32 <Melanie_T> justincc: if exports is set, that cannot hold true because making an object exportable in fact already waives some rights
2014-07-03 22:33 <justincc> Melanie_T: where does it say that?
2014-07-03 22:33 <Melanie_T> the spirit of it is to mark something as a "cross grid freebie"
2014-07-03 22:34 <skittles> hi justin. i tried setting installing the mumble voice module on a fresh copy of 0.8 to test my new mumble voice client, but it hangs at Loading Region Modules.
2014-07-03 22:34 <justincc> skittles: can you pastebin the log?
2014-07-03 22:35 <LiruCookies> I thought mumble wss dead now
2014-07-03 22:35 <skittles> yeah, sec. let me run with debug mono level.
2014-07-03 22:35 <justincc> The server side should work, thouhg I couldn't say for sure about the client SLVoice.exe rep;lacement right now
2014-07-03 22:35 <justincc> since if that signatures on that have changed then the current 'whisper' replacement might be incompatible
2014-07-03 22:37 <justincc> if it is nowhere said that by setting the 'export' flag you waive such and such rights or grant such and such a license, then I would say it falls at the first hurdle
2014-07-03 22:37 <justincc> Even then, what stops another viewer stating a different set of rights for the same flag?
2014-07-03 22:38 <skittles> http://pastebin.com/2RCkTqQE looks like it wants bzip2.dll, but can't find it.
2014-07-03 22:39 <justincc> skittles: ok, from that log I would say you have a much broader opensimulator problem, not related to whisper as such
2014-07-03 22:39 <diva> I don't think we are the best people to define the legal implications of an export action. Just like we aren't the best people to define the legal implications of an "Import" function, which already exists and doesn't have any DRM around it, just the TOS
2014-07-03 22:39 <skittles> eek
2014-07-03 22:39 <AliciaRaven> by law copyright is automatic, with no licence given its not safe to assume an exportable is public domain, i would assume its free for personal use only but wouldnt resell or give away unless a licence specificaly states that is ok
2014-07-03 22:40 <justincc> skittles: does it work if you remove the whisper module?
2014-07-03 22:40 <skittles> yes, it does.
2014-07-03 22:40 <justincc> skittles: which version of mono are you using?
2014-07-03 22:40 <LiruCookies> AliciaRaven: Trans mesans you may give away and resell
2014-07-03 22:41 <skittles> Mono JIT compiler version 3.0.6 on Slackware64 14.1
2014-07-03 22:41 <LiruCookies> Export requires VMCT
2014-07-03 22:41 <diva> what's that?
2014-07-03 22:41 <justincc> skittles: are you trying to use the pre-built dll from github?
2014-07-03 22:41 <skittles> yes.
2014-07-03 22:41 <LiruCookies> Move Modify Copy Transfer
2014-07-03 22:42 <justincc> skittles: yeah, my guess is that this isn't working for some reaosn, though I'm surprised, as the same opensimulator dlls are build don't have such issues.  Are you able to rebuild the module from source?
2014-07-03 22:42 <justincc> I build
2014-07-03 22:42 <skittles> yeah, i can try that and see.
2014-07-03 22:43 <LiruCookies> Move is part of Modify but sometimes separate because it does not let yoy change properties just location 
2014-07-03 22:43 <justincc> skittles: thanks.  You might want to raise an issue on that github repo directly to track this
2014-07-03 22:43 <diva> sounds good to me
2014-07-03 22:43 <skittles> ok, i will do that.
2014-07-03 22:44 <LiruCookies> Since you need all three to have export, you are basically saying yeah, I want this to go anywhere, with export being set
2014-07-03 22:45 <LiruCookies> It is the final freedom 
2014-07-03 22:45 <justincc> I think those perms work within the linden grid because it's a closed system but will be much more problematic outside that
2014-07-03 22:45 <justincc> but I think this whole area is not simple
2014-07-03 22:45 <diva> it is easy enough for grid operators to write an opensim module that pops up a warning / acceptance interface / license reminder when ppl set something to exportable
2014-07-03 22:46 <LiruCookies> Ecactly it is part of implementing the pernission, defining the terms.
2014-07-03 22:46 <diva> in core we should not make any assumptions regarding licenses
2014-07-03 22:46 <lkalif> heh
2014-07-03 22:47 <diva> that's really none of our business or expertise
2014-07-03 22:49 <LiruCookies> It is worth noting that one cannot set export on cobtent they are not creator and owner of, or that includes content they do not have export set on.
2014-07-03 22:49 <justincc> diva: +1
2014-07-03 22:51 <diva> do we already have that extra field in some DB table?
2014-07-03 22:51 <diva> is it in the inventory flags or something?
2014-07-03 22:51 <diva> where does the exprtable flag go?
2014-07-03 22:51 <LiruCookies> diva: Everyone mask
2014-07-03 22:52 <lkalif> diva: it's just a bitflag in an existing int bitfield
2014-07-03 22:52 <LiruCookies> A perms flag
2014-07-03 22:52 <justincc> diva: Look at Util.PermissionMask for the actual bit.  I believe it is a reuse of a flag that has fallen into disuse linden side
2014-07-03 22:52 <lkalif> poorly chosen one at that
2014-07-03 22:52 <diva> so it's associated with an inventory item? 
2014-07-03 22:52 <lkalif> everywhere you have permissions, you have this extra bit
2014-07-03 22:52 <diva> how does it work if the object is inworld?
2014-07-03 22:53 <diva> oh ok
2014-07-03 22:53 <diva> cool
2014-07-03 22:53 <lkalif> (as it already exists as an int)
2014-07-03 22:53 <diva> can't wait ti try this again!
2014-07-03 22:53 <lkalif> you said that last year too :P
2014-07-03 22:53 <LiruCookies> PERM_ENTER 
2014-07-03 22:53 <diva> (I just need to finish what I'm doing)
2014-07-03 22:54 <justincc> lol
2014-07-03 22:54 <diva> I tried it lkalif, but it didn't work
2014-07-03 22:54 <LiruCookies> That is the old flag
2014-07-03 22:54 <diva> the checkbox would not turn itself on
2014-07-03 22:54 <lkalif> that's because it's incomplete
2014-07-03 22:54 <LiruCookies> It nreds to be set on your objects in the base snd owner masks to enable
2014-07-03 22:55 <diva> k, I'll try this again after I'm done with what I'm doing...
2014-07-03 22:56 <diva> PERM_ENTER is that the name of the flag for export?
2014-07-03 22:56 <lkalif> you also said you'd test the mesh import...
2014-07-03 22:56 <diva> we did :)
2014-07-03 22:56 <lkalif> you say a lot of things :P
2014-07-03 22:56 <diva> neb did. works great in radegast btw
2014-07-03 22:57 <justincc> lkalif: talking of which, did you ever look at that patch from tranquility dexter?
2014-07-03 22:57 <lkalif> justincc: the one about split packests?
2014-07-03 22:57 <justincc> lkalif: yes
2014-07-03 22:57 <LiruCookies> diva: PERM_EXPORT ENTER was the old linden pern
2014-07-03 22:57 <LiruCookies> perm
2014-07-03 22:58 <lkalif> justincc: I cannot wrap my head around it
2014-07-03 22:59 <LiruCookies> diva: (1 << 16)
2014-07-03 22:59 <justincc> lkalif: did it get attached as libomv issue or anything similar?  I may go back and have a crack, though may not be able to get any further either
2014-07-03 22:59 <justincc> it was not obvious to me when I originally looked at it
2014-07-03 23:00 <justincc> or I'll dig it out from somewhere on my filesystem or just get it from him again
2014-07-03 23:00 <lkalif> justincc: I'll email you when I dig it up
2014-07-03 23:00 <justincc> lkalif: thanks
2014-07-03 23:01 <justincc> ok, reached my rest time.  Goodnight folks
2014-07-03 23:16 <Plugh> dahlia: A standard format for exported items would be nice. I've seen export in two different viewers and they each seem to have their own format for the XML data. So much for XML being a form of "universal" saving of data.
2014-07-03 23:17 <Plugh> An export flag doesn't tell you anything about the allowed use of the items. It is up to the creator to provide information about allowed use.
2014-07-03 23:17 <lkalif> nebadon: I found you comments in the backlog about Radegast mesh import, so I might as well answer them here
2014-07-03 23:17 <lkalif> nebadon: it uploads only the highest LOD, leaves 3 lower ones empty
2014-07-03 23:17 <lkalif> it also does not upload physics beyond the stub
2014-07-03 23:18 <dahlia> Plugh: ya. IAR seems to kinda work. As far as what flags mean. I dont think anyone here is qualified to make any legal interpretations beyond the usual interwebz *IANAL* variety.
2014-07-03 23:18 <lkalif> As it is now, opensim will use the geometry mesh if physics one is not provided
2014-07-03 23:18 <lkalif> thank dahlia for that one ;)
2014-07-03 23:19 <lkalif> all in all mesh asset produced by radegast should be only about a third of the size in bytes compared to one created by the linden derived viewers
2014-07-03 23:19 <lkalif> making mesh download so much faster
2014-07-03 23:19 <lkalif> and ideal for use on Opensim that doesn't have the silly land impact thingie that is counter-productive
2014-07-03 23:21 <diva> +1 it's working great as far as I heard from nebadon
2014-07-03 23:22 <lkalif> yeah I found that nebadon mentioned it here the other day, but I have missede it
2014-07-03 23:23 <lkalif> I probably know which part of the viewer code makes it 20 times slower too ;)
2014-07-03 23:29 <smxy> Plugh: There's two meanings to "export". 1) exporting something from the viewer to your hard drive. 2) allowing content to move out of a grid to another grid, directly. I think #2 is what we've been discussing today, but I agree that standardizinf #1 would be nice too. I wish we had separate terms for the two, to avoid confusion.
2014-07-03 23:33 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/oculus_opensim_01.png
2014-07-03 23:34 <smxy> Careful, you'll suck everything down a black hole, doing that.
2014-07-03 23:34 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-03 23:35 <lkalif> lol
2014-07-03 23:36 <diva> lol
2014-07-03 23:40 <diva> I'm going to send this picture to the guy I know at Oculus :)
2014-07-03 23:41 <nebadon> nice
2014-07-03 23:41 <lkalif> riftsception
2014-07-03 23:47 <dahlia> I thought I heard something about the rev 2 rifts are shipping
2014-07-03 23:52 <lkalif> get google cardboard :P
2014-07-03 23:52 <dahlia> pffft. google copied my idea :(
2014-07-03 23:52 <dahlia> but I was using safety goggles and duct tape :P
2014-07-03 23:53 <lkalif> I told you to wear that tinfoil hat so they cannot steal your thoughts :P
2014-07-03 23:53 <dahlia> :(
2014-07-04 00:04 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/sketchup_mesh_stuff_001.png
2014-07-04 00:04 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/sketchup_mesh_stuff_002.png
2014-07-04 00:04 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/sketchup_mesh_stuff_003.png
2014-07-04 00:04 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/sketchup_mesh_stuff_004.png
2014-07-04 00:04 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/sketchup_mesh_stuff_005.png
2014-07-04 00:04 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/sketchup_mesh_stuff_006.png
2014-07-04 00:07 <dahlia> nebadon: what's for dinner?
2014-07-04 00:07 <nebadon> prime prim
2014-07-04 00:08 <lkalif> lol
2014-07-04 00:08 <lkalif> with meshed potatos?
2014-07-04 00:08 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-04 00:08 <nebadon> its funny cause i just uploaded this 1 sec
2014-07-04 00:10 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/sketchup_mesh_stuff_007.png
2014-07-04 00:10 <nebadon> totally prim prim with meshed potatoes
2014-07-04 00:10 <H-H-H> lol @ meshed potatoes
2014-07-04 00:12 <nebadon> there is a lot of nice stuff up on Sketchup Warehouse
2014-07-04 00:12 <dahlia> mmmmm advanced glycation end products and heterocyclic amines :D  NUMMY :D
2014-07-04 00:12 <nebadon> just have to wade through a lot of crap some times
2014-07-04 00:13 <diva> neb now you gotta  have to find prim rib and meshed potatos on Sketchup. You just have to!
2014-07-04 00:13 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-04 00:13 <H-H-H> mesh is something i am yet to play with
2014-07-04 00:14 <nebadon> its getting harder and harder to really justify using prims a lot, though they still have lots of uses, really its vital that everyone start using mesh at some point
2014-07-04 00:14 <nebadon> the quality of things is so much better and can be so much lower impact
2014-07-04 00:14 <nebadon> use less resources etc..
2014-07-04 00:15 <dahlia> awww but prims have a special place in my heart :( *snif*
2014-07-04 00:15 <nebadon> ya they are still very useful for a lot of things
2014-07-04 00:15 <dahlia> meh use mesh :P
2014-07-04 00:15 <Dev_Random> need OSSL mesh functions.
2014-07-04 00:17 <nebadon> like what Dev_Random?
2014-07-04 00:18 <Dev_Random> like prim-torture type stuff.. form a mesh to a shape
2014-07-04 00:18 <dahlia> just use blender
2014-07-04 00:19 <nebadon> it would be neat to be able to manipulate simple mesh shapes to do neat things
2014-07-04 00:19 <nebadon> like demoscene type stuff
2014-07-04 00:19 <dahlia> seriously.. theres gazillions of developer hours in tools like blender. theres NO WAY any in-world stuff will ever compete
2014-07-04 00:19 <Dev_Random> e.g. in-world scripted building.... http://youtu.be/YO7nMOQu5O4
2014-07-04 00:20 <nebadon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMKzKz5jT5I
2014-07-04 00:20 <nebadon> ya wouldnt be so much for modeling with
2014-07-04 00:20 <nebadon> but the ability to animate the vertices
2014-07-04 00:22 <dahlia> if you want to do demoscene, c and opengl are the way to go. OpenSim isnt.
2014-07-04 00:23 <nebadon> ya I know but I mean simple effects like that, some you can kind of do now
2014-07-04 00:24 <nebadon> like better control of particles
2014-07-04 00:24 <nebadon> would go a long way to that kind of stuff
2014-07-04 00:24 <nebadon> ribbons is pretty cool
2014-07-04 00:24 <nebadon> im having fun with that
2014-07-04 00:24 <dahlia> 3d particles might be nice
2014-07-04 00:33 <nebadon> brb have to reboot
2014-07-04 02:51 -!- Wanderer_42(~kvirc@dslb-084-060-130-155.pools.arcor-ip.net) has left #opensim-dev
2014-07-04 03:03 <smxy> a 2.5 hour reboot, so far ...
2014-07-04 03:06 <nebadon_laptop> for what?
2014-07-04 03:08 <smxy> [20:33] <nebadon> brb have to reboot
2014-07-04 03:08 <smxy> [23:03] <smxy> a 2.5 hour reboot, so far ...
2014-07-04 03:08 <nebadon> oh lol ya it was, i was fixing issues with linux and my wifi adapter
2014-07-04 03:09 <nebadon> i moved my workstation recently to a place i dont have wired ethernet
2014-07-04 03:09 <smxy> not exactly "brb". :)
2014-07-04 03:09 <nebadon> and ever sice then couldnt use linux becuase had no network
2014-07-04 03:09 <nebadon> well i was here but with nebadon_laptop
2014-07-04 03:09 <nebadon> ive been using windows 7 since then
2014-07-04 03:10 <smxy> I simply got good at drilling discreet holes for my cabling. ;)
2014-07-04 03:10 <nebadon> this was the fix > http://david-latham.blogspot.com/2013/12/asus-usb-n10-nano-on-opensuse-131-linux.html
2014-07-04 03:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #3666 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2014-07-04 03:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3666: SUCCESS in 4 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3666/
2014-07-04 03:14 <osjenkins> diva: Avoid an exception in creating child agents some times.
2014-07-04 07:14 <osmantis> Bug #7250:04 Mesh upload with textures should create inventory items for textures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7250 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-04 08:12 <osmantis> Bug #7251:04 Inability to prevent HG users from joining user groups allows griefing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7251 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-04 09:15 <lkalif> wow, opensim is ugly inside
2014-07-04 09:22 <lkalif> Why do classes like LLSDAssetUploadRequest exist? Why not pass OSD to the caps handlers?
2014-07-04 09:24 <AliciaRaven> i dont like that string.format is used so much, its soo slow
2014-07-04 09:27 <lkalif> that's just superstition ;)
2014-07-04 09:29 <AliciaRaven> nope, ive done tests
2014-07-04 09:30 <AliciaRaven> up to 4 times slower when joining 4 strings compaired to using string + string
2014-07-04 09:30 <lkalif> tests of what? opensim in operation? i doubt that you can measure it
2014-07-04 09:31 <lkalif> yeah, syntetic isolated case like that tells you nothing about impact on performance
2014-07-04 09:31 <lkalif> also probaly depends on platform, version of runtime, etc etc
2014-07-04 09:31 <AliciaRaven> well every drop u can squeeze out of performance tweeks adds up
2014-07-04 09:32 <AliciaRaven> maybe im just being ocd lol
2014-07-04 09:32 <lkalif> some are not worth it
2014-07-04 09:32 <lkalif> well, not having ocd in here would be strange ;)
2014-07-04 09:33 <AliciaRaven> format has to spend extra time searching strings, i still think it will add up when used alot
2014-07-04 09:33 <lkalif> nah
2014-07-04 09:33 <AliciaRaven> ecpecialy when its derived by logging lines and they are used alot
2014-07-04 09:34 <lkalif> you know how much time takes to write a log line to actual disk? you can probably do about a million string.formats() in that time
2014-07-04 09:34 <lkalif> it's important to keep things in perspective
2014-07-04 09:35 <lkalif> CPU will probably do millions and millions of instructions while waiting for physical stuff to move to execute a write
2014-07-04 09:37 <AliciaRaven> looking on google i found "I got an average of 224ms vs. 48ms, an x4.66 improvement" thats about the same as my tests
2014-07-04 09:38 <AliciaRaven> loop of 1,000,000 joins tho lol
2014-07-04 09:39 <lkalif> yeah if there was some tight loop that executed bunch of these it might be worth looking into
2014-07-04 09:39 <lkalif> but these scattered around one-off ones are no worry
2014-07-04 09:39 <AliciaRaven> k, i will put it down to my optimization ocd lol
2014-07-04 09:40 <lkalif> you should have a top level prioritization ocd, one that compares the performance benefit with development time and ease of maintanence
2014-07-04 09:41 <lkalif> you cannot 100% optimize everything
2014-07-04 09:41 <lkalif> so what you decide to optimize is the most important part
2014-07-04 09:42 <lkalif> public static class LLSD
2014-07-04 09:42 <lkalif>  /// Borrowed from (a older version of) libsl for now, as their new llsd code doesn't work we our decoding code.
2014-07-04 09:42 <lkalif> that "for now" is probably 5 years old
2014-07-04 09:43 <AliciaRaven> yea there is alot of stuf like that, i see alot of todo comments lol
2014-07-04 11:09 <dahlia> AliciaRaven: use StringBuilder. It's WAY faster
2014-07-04 11:13 <AliciaRaven> dahlia, yep, just opensim uses format alot
2014-07-04 11:14 <AliciaRaven> if i was doing alot in a loop id use stringbuilder, for the odd line id just concat
2014-07-04 11:14 <dahlia> AliciaRaven: I agree with lkalif. It may be in a lot of places but it's not a significant CPU user
2014-07-04 11:15 <dahlia> collision testing is a significant CPU user, not String.Format
2014-07-04 11:16 <dahlia> or packet processing
2014-07-04 11:18 <AliciaRaven> lol compare anything to collision testing and it becomes insignificant
2014-07-04 11:19 <dahlia> string + operator gets really slow sometimes, especially if it needs to expand a string several times
2014-07-04 11:39 <lkalif> dahlia: where does inventory get stored in standalone?
2014-07-04 11:39 <lkalif> ah, found it
2014-07-04 11:54 <osmantis> Bug #7250:04 Mesh upload with textures should create inventory items for textures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7250 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-07-04 15:43 <techplex> Anyone know if there is a way to get the current grid name with LibOMV ?
2014-07-04 15:51 <Plugh> Viewers can get the grid info so that may be the way to get the name.
2014-07-04 16:07 <techplex> Thanks Plugh!
2014-07-04 16:58 <osmantis> Bug #7252:04 Multiple right clicks in viewer causes lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7252 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-04 17:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #3667 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-04 17:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3667: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3667/
2014-07-04 17:18 <osjenkins> diva: It turns out that child agent management has had a bug for a while: there was an inconsistency in the scope between opening and closing child agents in neighboring regions. For opening (in EnableChildAgents), the region's DrawDistance was being used; for closing (in IsOUtsideView) , the viewer's (SP) DrawDistance was being used. This fixes this inconsistency, therefore eliminating bugs observed in TPs between, at least, neighboring varregi
2014-07-04 17:42 <osmantis> Bug #7252:04 Multiple right clicks in viewer causes lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7252 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-04 17:42 <smxy> That should make my next round of TP tests work better, as I'll be switching to vars. Thanks.
2014-07-04 17:43 <nebadon> we just need to figure out the HG teleporting issues and were set :)
2014-07-04 17:44 <smxy> I'm doing continuous TPs between grids right now, once every 30 seconds. Granted it's on my LAN and both grids are on two servers on the same switch.
2014-07-04 17:44 <nebadon> I have a feeling mesh attachments play a big factor
2014-07-04 17:44 <nebadon> or very complex linksets
2014-07-04 17:45 <smxy> I'm up to 1579 A->B->A trips now.
2014-07-04 17:45 <nebadon> like hair
2014-07-04 17:45 <nebadon> lol jeez
2014-07-04 17:45 <smxy> Yes, could be, as I'm only wearing hair and two boots and they are having the same issues others are seeing about seeing/not seeing them.
2014-07-04 17:45 <smxy> But the TPs are going well, otherwise.
2014-07-04 17:46 <smxy> Gotta run to a brithday party. Later. :)
2014-07-04 18:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #3668 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-04 18:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3668: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3668/
2014-07-04 18:50 <osjenkins> diva: This fixes the bug related to rebooting neighboring varregions while avatars are logged in; the avies would not see the region anymore until they relogged. Same problem as before: inconsistent calculation of scope.
2014-07-04 19:36 <osmantis> Bug #7250:04 Mesh upload with textures should create inventory items for textures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7250 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-04 19:38 <osmantis> Bug #7247:04 LLUDPSERVER]: No packets received from child agent for 60000ms 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7247 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-04 20:16 <techplex> anyone know of a web based sculpty renderer?
2014-07-04 21:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #3669 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-04 21:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3669: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3669/
2014-07-04 21:40 <osjenkins> diva: On logout, delay the removal of AgentCircuitData until the very end, because that data structure contains important information about the agent that may be needed by modules.
2014-07-04 21:42 <justincc> hi diva
2014-07-04 21:43 <diva> hi justincc
2014-07-04 21:44 <justincc> diva: in the entity transfer module, can I adjust the code so that adding a child seed that is already there still generates a warning (but not an exception)?  I don't believe that should happen if everything is working right (?) and it would be useful to have some indication of issues
2014-07-04 21:44 <diva> yes, but make it override the entry
2014-07-04 21:44 <diva> I use that not in core
2014-07-04 21:45 <justincc> ok
2014-07-04 21:45 <diva> for opening child agents in ad-hoc regions that aren't the neighbors
2014-07-04 21:47 <justincc> even if the root agent already has a child agent for that scene?
2014-07-04 21:47 <justincc> which I'm assuming is why the entry would already be in agent.ChildrenCapsSeeds
2014-07-04 21:48 <diva> yes
2014-07-04 21:48 <diva> I will look at it again more carefully, to see if override is really needed or not, but the exception was clearly messing things up
2014-07-04 21:49 <justincc> ok
2014-07-04 21:55 <lkalif> justincc: I have a patch for texture inv. item creation during mes upload http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7250
2014-07-04 21:58 <justincc> lkalif: great, will take a look soon
2014-07-04 22:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #3670 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-04 22:03 <Misterblue> diva: when you did the view distance checking, did you use the SP view distance or the avatars?
2014-07-04 22:03 <diva> MisterBlue today I used the regions DrawDistance
2014-07-04 22:03 <diva> the one that is set under [Startup]
2014-07-04 22:03 <Misterblue> so the avatar's view distance will not effect the children connections
2014-07-04 22:04 <diva> correct
2014-07-04 22:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3670: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3670/
2014-07-04 22:04 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Still log (but this time with warning rather than an exception) if we regenerate a new child caps seed for a region where we already have one.
2014-07-04 22:04 <Misterblue> wish it was all avatar view distance... if you can't see the child, you shouldn't be connecting 
2014-07-04 22:05 <diva> not necessarily
2014-07-04 22:05 <diva> I create child agents in far away sims all the time for doing co-simulation
2014-07-04 22:05 <Misterblue> I had started moving to avatar view distance
2014-07-04 22:05 <Misterblue> short of some max() function (bigger of region and avatar)
2014-07-04 22:06 <diva> I don't think I saw that in the existing code
2014-07-04 22:06 <Misterblue> 
ACTION never totally understood why the simulator had its own view distance

2014-07-04 22:06 <diva> the existing code had a max of region drawdistance and region size
2014-07-04 22:08 <diva> MisterBlue that's because we never really did it with avatar's draw distance, we had it first on a fixed 1-level neighbor scheme. I'm ok with changing it to avatar draw distance, but the change needs to be consistent
2014-07-04 22:08 <diva> we added the region DrawDistance to allow for more than level-1 neighrbours
2014-07-04 22:08 <Misterblue> consistant is good
2014-07-04 22:09 <diva> I'm not sure how avatar draw distance works for this. If I move my camera many sims away, will it show there?
2014-07-04 22:09 <Misterblue> I think you changed by changes of region draw distance to avatar draw distance back to the way it was before
2014-07-04 22:09 <diva> is it dependent on the camera position?
2014-07-04 22:10 <diva> no, what I found was different from what I had it originally
2014-07-04 22:10 <Misterblue> child connections only look at avatar (or now region) view distance... doesn't use camera
2014-07-04 22:10 <diva> and I just changed the one occurrence of avatar draw distance that had been there for several years
2014-07-04 22:11 <diva> I meant in SL
2014-07-04 22:11 <justincc> I have scene a few reports about child agent issues, thuogh apparantly in places with no var regions
2014-07-04 22:11 <diva> cos this really needs to be able to show very large spaces, much larger that the allowed draw distance of the viewer...
2014-07-04 22:11 <justincc> I vaguely wonder if that scene presence value was playing into that
2014-07-04 22:12 <diva> we make movies that follow vehicles along 3km paths
2014-07-04 22:12 <diva> just placethe camera on the vehicle, and oof it goes
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2014-07-04 22:24 <antont> diva: hm so how can you show things beyond viewer's draw distance?
2014-07-04 22:26 <diva> we open many child agent connections (ruled by the sim's DrawDistance -- bad name). The sim's DrawDistance can be arbitrarily large
2014-07-04 22:28 <justincc> Misterblue: mantis 7252 is wierd.  Is it ParcelProperties packets filling up the client udp queue?
2014-07-04 22:30 <Misterblue> seems to be.... I'm thinking that between throttling and multiple clicks, with varregions one can create many Ks of ParcelProperties
2014-07-04 22:30 <Misterblue> but that's only my theory... haven't tested yet
2014-07-04 22:30 <justincc> even with just one parcel for the whole region
2014-07-04 22:30 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-07-04 22:30 <justincc> yeah, I don't know either, haven't heard about this before
2014-07-04 22:33 <Misterblue> Cutelala complained to me that she was seeing a bunch of lag while editing
2014-07-04 22:33 <nebadon> yep I can confirm that
2014-07-04 22:33 <Misterblue> then she found the multiple click thing... and I could duplicate that in my varregion
2014-07-04 22:33 <nebadon> though generally its only when i build over borders in varregions
2014-07-04 22:34 <nebadon> what do you set your draw distance too Misterblue?
2014-07-04 22:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #3671 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-04 22:34 <nebadon> i bet Cuteulala and I both set ours absurdly high
2014-07-04 22:34 <nebadon> in Debug Settings
2014-07-04 22:34 <Misterblue> usually large... like 700
2014-07-04 22:34 <justincc> and you don't mind getting 1 fps? :)
2014-07-04 22:34 <nebadon> RenderFarClip i usually have it set at 2048 or 4096
2014-07-04 22:35 <nebadon> nah its usually quite quick
2014-07-04 22:35 <nebadon> rarely get less than 20fps
2014-07-04 22:35 <Misterblue> here's a nickle kid, get a real computer
2014-07-04 22:35 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-04 22:35 <nebadon> setting it for 4096 doesnt do anything
2014-07-04 22:35 <nebadon> i think the max farclip is like 2400m or something
2014-07-04 22:36 <nebadon> then you hit the edge of the windlight dome
2014-07-04 22:36 <nebadon> thats why you see the terrain rounding off in the far distance
2014-07-04 22:36 <Misterblue> 
ACTION likes watching mini-map terrain spread out from the avatar after a TP

2014-07-04 22:37 <justincc> Misterblue: that should be default at some point, right?
2014-07-04 22:37 <Misterblue> ya... the terrain will get clipped into a circle to the avatar's view distance
2014-07-04 22:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3671: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3671/
2014-07-04 22:38 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Include option to remove auto backup files older than given number of days. New property created to specify how many days to keep files for. Off by default, also made sure only oar files will be removed.
2014-07-04 22:38 <osmantis> Bug #7240:04 [PATCH] Include option for AutoBackupModule to remove backups older than a given number of days 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7240 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-04 22:39 <Misterblue> justincc, yes... I haven't heard any complaints or crashes
2014-07-04 22:39 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-07-04 22:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #3672 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-04 22:48 <NickyP> I know I.m slow; concerning draw distance camera reach. 2 ways in Kokua and imagine others. 1. Open Area Search let it populate and it will fill with objects to DD. select an object right click and Zoom in.
2014-07-04 22:50 <osmantis> Bug #7250:04 Mesh upload with textures should create inventory items for textures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7250 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-04 22:50 <NickyP> 2. In the people floater. run the Radar range up to max 1024. select and avi from the itiy bity green / colored dots. Right click and Zoom in.
2014-07-04 22:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3672: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3672/
2014-07-04 22:52 <osjenkins> jjustincc: When uploading mesh objects with textures also create inventory items for uploaded textures.
2014-07-04 22:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #3673 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-04 22:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3673: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3673/
2014-07-04 22:56 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: put standard 'category' in brackets at front of log messages from previous commit 3d70db4a
2014-07-04 22:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #3674 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-04 23:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3674: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3674/
2014-07-04 23:01 <osjenkins> diva: Instrument the UDP path of creating assets so that it triggers an asset post for users with different asset servers
2014-07-04 23:06 <justincc> diva: item upload isn't already being triggered by Scene.Inventory.cs.AddInventoryItem()?
2014-07-04 23:06 <diva> not that I can see
2014-07-04 23:08 <diva> oh i c, so maybe that flag isn't being properly set in some cases
2014-07-04 23:08 <diva> or maybe the code doesn't pass through there
2014-07-04 23:08 <justincc> AssetXferUploader calls scene.AddInventoryItem whivh should be triggering if the item was successfully added and the item's folder existed
2014-07-04 23:08 <diva> these are items like Alphas and Tatoos and the like
2014-07-04 23:08 <diva> it wasn't being triggered
2014-07-04 23:08 <diva> so maybe the trigger arg was false
2014-07-04 23:09 <justincc> on that single parameter AddInventoryItem it's always true
2014-07-04 23:10 <diva> that's odd, I can check again, but it wasn't being triggered
2014-07-04 23:11 <justincc> my concern would be triggering it twice, though as far as I can see, your HGInventoryAccessModule is the only consumer of that event anyway
2014-07-04 23:11 <justincc> and technically, triggering it on item update rather than create is misleading :)
2014-07-04 23:11 <diva> or mayb eit's the update that doesn't trigger and should
2014-07-04 23:11 <diva> when those things are created, for some reason, there's the create event and immediately there seems to be an update event
2014-07-04 23:11 <diva> from the viewer
2014-07-04 23:12 <diva> I'll recheck
2014-07-04 23:12 <justincc> right
2014-07-04 23:12 <justincc> well, this isn't affecting other code, though always nice to have events working properly
2014-07-04 23:13 <diva> yes, no need to do it twice if it doesn't have to
2014-07-04 23:13 <lkalif> it creates inventory, uploads assset, updates inventory with asset uuid iirc
2014-07-04 23:13 <diva> I think it was the update that was screwing it up
2014-07-04 23:13 <justincc> that area of code has some tricky races, but I don't think they're much in play once you get down to near the end
2014-07-04 23:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #3675 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-04 23:18 <justincc> Misterblue: btw, does region size z play any role right now?
2014-07-04 23:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3675: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3675/
2014-07-04 23:19 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Adjust "show regions" and "show region" robust service console output to show size
2014-07-04 23:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #3676 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-04 23:21 <nebadon> I don't think Z does anything justincc
2014-07-04 23:21 <justincc> nebadon: btw, how did the load test go?
2014-07-04 23:21 <Dev_Random> I'm hoping maybe z-size can be used as z-order... and allow me to place small regions within a big var.
2014-07-04 23:21 <nebadon> went very well
2014-07-04 23:21 <nebadon> we hit 45 avatars
2014-07-04 23:22 <justincc> wow, almost 10% of what we need ;)
2014-07-04 23:22 <nebadon> flawless peformance, there was however a lot of HG visitors missing attachments
2014-07-04 23:22 <justincc> alright, over 10%
2014-07-04 23:22 <nebadon> 45 people running around to
2014-07-04 23:22 <nebadon> not sitting
2014-07-04 23:22 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-07-04 23:22 <nebadon> did quite well i dont think cpu was over 80% of 1 core
2014-07-04 23:24 <dahlia> I think I saw 51 in the viewer stats screen at one time 
2014-07-04 23:24 <dahlia> main agents
2014-07-04 23:24 <nebadon> oh nice
2014-07-04 23:24 <nebadon> ya i had 6 avatars myself
2014-07-04 23:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3676: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3676/
2014-07-04 23:25 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Show region size column in simulator version of "show regions" console command
2014-07-04 23:25 <dahlia> but ppl kept IMing me so I didnt really pay attention to much of what was going on
2014-07-04 23:26 <justincc> I do think kit would be nice to get some enterainment act in there down the line if anyone will volunteer.  Draw the punters
2014-07-04 23:26 <nebadon> ya have to see what we can come up with
2014-07-04 23:26 <diva> justincc, yeah, it was the update that was screwing up. I'll leave it only there. Good catch! tahnks.
2014-07-04 23:26 <nebadon> I am afraid I don't personally know anyone at the moment to do that
2014-07-04 23:26 <justincc> diva: no worries, thanks for taking a look
2014-07-04 23:27 <justincc> nebadon: it would also have to be someone who doesn't ind if the thing blows up
2014-07-04 23:27 <dahlia> lol
2014-07-04 23:27 <Plugh> How about a juggling act?  ;)
2014-07-04 23:27 <Dev_Random> NPC jugglers and acrobats - renaissance fair style.
2014-07-04 23:28 <justincc> if it's juggling by wiring his arms to a kinect, then sure ;)
2014-07-04 23:28 <dahlia> I have a balancing act but I can only do it in person :P
2014-07-04 23:28 <justincc> I think the lag would kill them thuogh
2014-07-04 23:29 <dahlia> and well.. my balancing act has degraded somewhat since I lost my depth perception :/
2014-07-04 23:29 <justincc> :)
2014-07-04 23:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #3677 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-04 23:29 <diva> just put a streaming of the world cup game, if there's one on Tuesday
2014-07-04 23:30 <lkalif> brazil - germany, the semifinal
2014-07-04 23:31 <Misterblue> justincc, the z is not used by anyone... I tend to keep it around for the day when regions can be stacked
2014-07-04 23:31 <diva> oh wow, neb, totally
2014-07-04 23:31 <diva> let's make it a 1
2014-07-04 23:32 <nebadon> ok you can stream it from the web?
2014-07-04 23:33 <nebadon> if someone has a URL i can make a nice screen
2014-07-04 23:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3677: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3677/
2014-07-04 23:33 <osjenkins> diva: Small change to my previous commit: not so aggressive on the trigger, please.
2014-07-04 23:33 <Misterblue> are people in OSGrid watching the game somewhere?
2014-07-04 23:33 <Dev_Random> Misterblue: that makes me happy.  I want to stack regions.  I imagine diva 's co-simulation will play a part there.
2014-07-04 23:35 <dahlia> if there's a world cup display then we'll need brawling animations and crude prim weapons 
2014-07-04 23:35 <diva> I"m not entorely sure where the game is streamed and whether we can yank it inside the CC, I would would so! That would be an awesome social experience!
2014-07-04 23:35 <justincc> I don't understand yet what co-simulation is
2014-07-04 23:36 <diva> the scene objects for a volume of space are distributed among servers
2014-07-04 23:36 <dahlia> you mean your traffic simulation?
2014-07-04 23:36 <diva> yes
2014-07-04 23:37 <justincc> diva: but not in the usual way of having those objects in different regions on different servers?
2014-07-04 23:37 <dahlia> thats cool, you can get run over by a bus and nothing happens to you :D
2014-07-04 23:37 <diva> right
2014-07-04 23:37 <dahlia> just like superheros :D
2014-07-04 23:37 <diva> not the usual way
2014-07-04 23:38 <diva> you see objects in the scene right next to you that are being simulated by another server instead of the server that supposedly serves that space
2014-07-04 23:38 <justincc> so the movements are just transmitted to the current region?
2014-07-04 23:38 <justincc> or similar data?
2014-07-04 23:38 <diva> no
2014-07-04 23:38 <diva> the viewer puts it all together and makes it all look seamless
2014-07-04 23:39 <Misterblue> sounds like another implementation trying to solve the same problems that DSG worked on
2014-07-04 23:39 <diva> in the case of my traffic simulation that is
2014-07-04 23:39 <justincc> oh, so this requires a modified viewer?
2014-07-04 23:39 <diva> yes MisterBlue
2014-07-04 23:39 <diva> in this case I don't need complete interaction, so I don't need to distribute the events server side
2014-07-04 23:39 <diva> no
2014-07-04 23:39 <diva> no justincc, no modified viewer
2014-07-04 23:40 <diva> all that's needed is to open a child agent in that other server that isn't a neighbor
2014-07-04 23:40 <justincc> ah, hence the child agent thing?
2014-07-04 23:40 <diva> :)
2014-07-04 23:40 <justincc> but region size is still at least 256x256?
2014-07-04 23:40 <diva> and then make that server place the objects way outside its borders
2014-07-04 23:41 <justincc> ohhh,
2014-07-04 23:41 <justincc> neat
2014-07-04 23:41 <Dev_Random> so, is it possible to be hit by a co-simulated bus then?
2014-07-04 23:41 <diva> :)
2014-07-04 23:41 <justincc> that's a neat hack :)
2014-07-04 23:41 <diva> Dev_Random: yuo won't be hit, because the collision will not be detected. At least the way I have it 
2014-07-04 23:41 <Dev_Random> okay.. just wondered
2014-07-04 23:41 <diva> justincc thanks! It works really really well
2014-07-04 23:42 <diva> as long as no interaction is required, this is the way to go
2014-07-04 23:42 <lkalif> I missed the part where you said why do you do this?
2014-07-04 23:42 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-07-04 23:42 <diva> if interaction is required then we'll need to go along the DSG
2014-07-04 23:42 <justincc> but if you need to have everythingi n the same state space your back with the existing approaches
2014-07-04 23:42 <diva> lkalif: traffic simulation over very large areas
2014-07-04 23:43 <lkalif> but why do you need to fake object from another region to be in the current one?
2014-07-04 23:43 <diva> the traffic simulation is effectively overlayed over the urban area by another server
2014-07-04 23:43 <dahlia> it decouples the traffic simulation from the region simulation so it's not affected by problems with border crossings and such
2014-07-04 23:43 <lkalif> ah, I see
2014-07-04 23:44 <lkalif> so you have stuff like buildings and roads in one, and vehicles run from another?
2014-07-04 23:44 <diva> yes
2014-07-04 23:44 <lkalif> neat
2014-07-04 23:44 <diva> and by vehicles I mean something very broad
2014-07-04 23:44 <lkalif> yeah, I got that part
2014-07-04 23:44 <diva> neb now wants to do this for birds :)
2014-07-04 23:45 <diva> it works for prims with NPC on them too
2014-07-04 23:45 <diva> we have bikers like that
2014-07-04 23:45 <dahlia> birds should get their own simulator also so they dont get killed by buses ;)
2014-07-04 23:45 <diva> hehe
2014-07-04 23:45 <dahlia> and they cant poop on the vehicles either
2014-07-04 23:45 <lkalif> lol
2014-07-04 23:45 <Dev_Random> ha
2014-07-04 23:47 <diva> and as soon as get get decent walking animations, we'll do the pedestrian simulation like that  too
2014-07-04 23:49 <diva> animations are so hard to get
2014-07-04 23:50 <lkalif> does it have to be free? if not perhaps ask some of the SL animators?
2014-07-04 23:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #3678 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-04 23:50 <nebadon> I have been begging sinewave
2014-07-04 23:51 <diva> it doesn't have to be free, but we're not sure who to talk to
2014-07-04 23:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3678: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3678/
2014-07-04 23:54 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add experimental "show grid size" robust console command.
2014-07-04 23:58 <justincc> ok rest time, goodnight folks
2014-07-05 00:12 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh-Aicv75mE
2014-07-05 00:16 <antont> diva: neat indeed that co-simulation
2014-07-05 00:18 <antont> diva: we have some walking avatars, blend files with different exports, but those are not compatible with the linden avatar directly i'm afraid .. might work for a mesh avatar if those support arbitary skels, dunno, but i guess you're better off with something for the default sl skel
2014-07-05 00:18 <antont> i'm confused, though: the own avatar with opensim walks, can't that animation be used for NPCs too?
2014-07-05 00:18 <lkalif> the viewer doesn't support arbitrary skeletons
2014-07-05 00:18 <nebadon> they still use the LL bhv
2014-07-05 00:19 <antont> aha
2014-07-05 00:19 <antont> so no horses and such?
2014-07-05 00:19 <nebadon> you can
2014-07-05 00:19 <antont> dogs or whatever
2014-07-05 00:19 <nebadon> check this out infact let me find a video
2014-07-05 00:20 <antont> so how does it work with npcs, are they like avs or just normal/other scene objects?
2014-07-05 00:20 <lkalif> avs
2014-07-05 00:21 <antont> aha .. so i suppose the normal walk anim should just work with them
2014-07-05 00:21 <lkalif> yes
2014-07-05 00:21 <antont> .. but diva doesn't find it decent?
2014-07-05 00:21 <nebadon> https://plus.google.com/102045582313261778567/posts/UKoXm7pbZTo
2014-07-05 00:21 <nebadon> this is opensimulator
2014-07-05 00:22 <lkalif> "This post could not be found."
2014-07-05 00:22 <antont> nebadon: i also can't view it, i figure is not public
2014-07-05 00:22 <nebadon> ah dang
2014-07-05 00:22 <lkalif> its not public, yeah
2014-07-05 00:22 <nebadon> 1 sec
2014-07-05 00:22 <antont> "or the post may not have been shared with this account"
2014-07-05 00:23 <nebadon> how about this link
2014-07-05 00:23 <nebadon> https://plus.google.com/101558395514182710128/posts/JDP83rXRy2J
2014-07-05 00:23 <nebadon> if you follow me
2014-07-05 00:23 <nebadon> you should be able to view it
2014-07-05 00:24 <antont> same prob
2014-07-05 00:24 <nebadon> http://gplus.to/nebadon
2014-07-05 00:24 <lkalif> worked here
2014-07-05 00:24 <nebadon> follow me if your on G+
2014-07-05 00:24 <antont> yah i'm trying to start to follow now
2014-07-05 00:24 <dahlia> thats yofrankie
2014-07-05 00:25 <dahlia> oh ported
2014-07-05 00:25 <antont> ah i've actually seen yofrankie in opensim, pics/video
2014-07-05 00:25 <dahlia> I liked that game but I didnt get very far
2014-07-05 00:26 <nebadon> ya its totally opensource
2014-07-05 00:26 <antont> we used a scene there to test early blender -> realxtend export, when using opensim still .. made a dotscene importer for opensim
2014-07-05 00:26 <antont> from there, yofrankie i mean
2014-07-05 00:26 <lkalif> you could make a decent walking animation in poser if you have it
2014-07-05 00:27 <lkalif> it has a nice walk cycle editor
2014-07-05 00:27 <dahlia> is that region still on osgrid? Id like to see it, or better yet, get an oar if possible
2014-07-05 00:27 <lkalif> nebadon: did you ever make OARs from the conferece sims available?
2014-07-05 00:28 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-05 00:28 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/oars/oscc13_breakout_zone-2013-11-01.oar
2014-07-05 00:28 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/oars/oscc13_landing_zone-2013-11-01.oar
2014-07-05 00:29 <lkalif> is the breakout zone the amphitheater?
2014-07-05 00:29 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-05 00:29 <nebadon> well
2014-07-05 00:29 <lkalif> I love that one
2014-07-05 00:29 <nebadon> thats where all the Tracks were
2014-07-05 00:29 <nebadon> the 4 corner region we never released
2014-07-05 00:30 <nebadon> 4 corner area was Keynote
2014-07-05 00:30 <lkalif> that one is less interesting anyway :P
2014-07-05 00:32 <nebadon> I am hoping i have enough time before OSCC to finish converting Universal Campus to varregion and mesh
2014-07-05 00:33 <lkalif> I love watching oars load while logged in the region
2014-07-05 00:34 <lkalif> is terrain supposed to be white?
2014-07-05 00:35 <Dev_Random> are you in OSG Sandbox III ?  I've had that happen a few times there.
2014-07-05 00:36 <lkalif> nebadon: very nice, thanks
2014-07-05 00:37 <nebadon> you mean in those oars?
2014-07-05 00:37 <nebadon> it should not be white
2014-07-05 00:37 <lkalif> http://i.imgur.com/b6EnAQP.jpg
2014-07-05 00:37 <nebadon> odd, you were logged in as it loaded?
2014-07-05 00:38 <nebadon> might just need to relog, it should have a terrain for sure
2014-07-05 00:38 <lkalif> yeah let me try relogging
2014-07-05 00:39 <lkalif> relog didn't fix it, but clear cache did
2014-07-05 00:39 <nebadon> wierd
2014-07-05 00:40 <lkalif> so if I have a 768 x 768 var, i can use --displacement "<256,256,0>" to put this smack in the middle, right?
2014-07-05 00:41 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-05 00:41 <nebadon> if you have other content there
2014-07-05 00:41 <nebadon> be sure to use merge
2014-07-05 00:42 <lkalif> I have nothing of importance
2014-07-05 00:42 <nebadon> you will have to fix terrain by some other means
2014-07-05 00:42 <nebadon> i still think you need to do merge
2014-07-05 00:42 <nebadon> if its a 256m
2014-07-05 00:42 <nebadon> because terrain will error
2014-07-05 00:42 <Misterblue> if you do --merge also do --force-terrain to get the terrain added
2014-07-05 00:42 <diva> antont: I actually don't know anything about animations. I was just channeling nebadon. He's the one who complains that he can't find decent animations :)
2014-07-05 00:42 <diva> can we use the walking animation tha the vieer has?
2014-07-05 00:42 <nebadon> ah ok cool
2014-07-05 00:42 <diva> that's not horrible
2014-07-05 00:42 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-05 00:43 <nebadon> we need a lot more than walking though
2014-07-05 00:43 <nebadon> sits are actually what i desire more
2014-07-05 00:43 <lkalif> Misterblue: what happens with terrain  if I don't do merge and load 256 oar into a bigger vsar?
2014-07-05 00:43 <nebadon> and causal city type stuff
2014-07-05 00:43 <nebadon> I would love to have all the animations from grand theft auto
2014-07-05 00:43 <Misterblue> if the larger region has never been initialized, the unfilled terrain will be set to 25 or something like that
2014-07-05 00:44 <diva> but neb if we can somehow scoop the walkign animation tha tthe viewer has, we can already try the pedestrians
2014-07-05 00:44 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-05 00:44 <nebadon> we know it will work
2014-07-05 00:44 <nebadon> the bikers pretty much proved it
2014-07-05 00:44 <diva> oh ok
2014-07-05 00:44 <lkalif> built in viewer anim is horrible, it's nicknamed "the duck walk"
2014-07-05 00:44 <nebadon> its just getting timings right
2014-07-05 00:44 <diva> it would be nice to find animations for pedaling
2014-07-05 00:45 <nebadon> finding the right #'s for a walking pace
2014-07-05 00:45 <nebadon> ya, we could have skateboarders
2014-07-05 00:45 <lkalif> I used to make animations, just not very good :P
2014-07-05 00:45 <nebadon> people walking dogs
2014-07-05 00:45 <nebadon> eventually we can even have npc dogs
2014-07-05 00:45 <nebadon> hehe
2014-07-05 00:46 <diva> furries! :D
2014-07-05 00:46 <lkalif> sitting on a bike and pedaling should be relatively easy to make
2014-07-05 00:46 <nebadon> ya hand animating is super time consuming
2014-07-05 00:46 <nebadon> and generally sub par
2014-07-05 00:47 <diva> afk -- dinner
2014-07-05 00:47 <lkalif> I made some convicing spanking anims in my day :P
2014-07-05 00:47 <nebadon> Adam has abou 50 animations we could buy, if he ever gives me a price
2014-07-05 00:47 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-05 00:47 <nebadon> i made my famous avatar running in giant hamster cage animation
2014-07-05 00:47 <nebadon> always good for a laugh
2014-07-05 00:48 <lkalif> what did you use?
2014-07-05 00:48 <nebadon> qavimator
2014-07-05 00:48 <Dev_Random> could put that in office tower windows
2014-07-05 00:59 <djphil_> Neb : The .blend for "Yo Frankie" game :) http://www.yofrankie.org/
2014-07-05 01:16 <dahlia> I remember frankie had a seriously complex rig
2014-07-05 01:19 <djphil_> quadruped is a bit hard to ring ... it requere quadruped animation to work fine
2014-07-05 01:19 <djphil_> but no to hard ... i made a dog in Francogrid
2014-07-05 01:19 <dahlia> ya but I suspect all that was done in scratch in blender
2014-07-05 01:20 <dahlia> Ive done a lot of character modeling before 
2014-07-05 01:21 <djphil_> quadrupeds too ?
2014-07-05 01:22 <djphil_> 2.71 have great features
2014-07-05 01:22 <dahlia> ya quads too, all with custom rigs
2014-07-05 01:22 <dahlia> also with 3ds max biped
2014-07-05 01:23 <dahlia> I dont care for skinning in max tho, too hard to get the weights right
2014-07-05 01:23 <dahlia> blender bone heat FTW
2014-07-05 01:25 <djphil_> this spider in SL is really cool :)
2014-07-05 01:25 <djphil_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej2WfNzol4w
2014-07-05 01:25 <djphil_> i love it!
2014-07-05 01:26 <dahlia> that looks like a scripted linkset
2014-07-05 01:26 <djphil_> yep
2014-07-05 01:27 <dahlia> ya Ive done a few of those too https://vimeo.com/946012
2014-07-05 01:28 <djphil_> yeaaah! great !
2014-07-05 01:28 <djphil_> i have some .gif with this animation ^^
2014-07-05 01:28 <djphil_> love ot too :)
2014-07-05 01:29 <dahlia> I remember one guy made a segmented mesh character linkset and scripted it to interpret bvh
2014-07-05 01:29 <dahlia> worked pretty well if there wern't too many people in the sim watching it
2014-07-05 01:31 <djphil_> Yes Bestmomo JO (online gaming forum) provided explanations and scripts to create it
2014-07-05 01:31 <dahlia> there's a guy on osgrid who has a shop in wright plaza who has some interested scripted linkset characters on one of his regions
2014-07-05 01:31 <dahlia> djphil_: to create what?
2014-07-05 01:32 <djphil_> biped personnage
2014-07-05 01:32 <dahlia> ah
2014-07-05 01:32 <djphil_> ot convert bhv to notcard and read the note with lsl
2014-07-05 01:32 <dahlia> someone gave me some scripts in SL ages ago that interpret bvh but it uses a bunch of individual physical prims
2014-07-05 01:33 <djphil_> Mmm I have not seen this on wright plaza
2014-07-05 01:33 <dahlia> his shop is near one of the corners, it has a bunch of funny looking prim characters in it
2014-07-05 01:34 <djphil_> here is the post : http://forums.jeuxonline.info/showthread.php?t=1231337
2014-07-05 01:34 <dahlia> nebadon might remember his name, it escapes me at the moment
2014-07-05 01:36 <dahlia> djphil_: ya that might be the same one. I think the character is free on SL market
2014-07-05 01:37 <djphil_> yes and spider to if you ask Adeon Writer
2014-07-05 01:37 <dahlia> ah cool
2014-07-05 01:37 <djphil_> Adeon made very cool free stuffs
2014-07-05 01:38 <djphil_> Lazer Beam is from Adeon (LBSA Plazza)
2014-07-05 01:38 <dahlia> I made an animated walking robot but it didnt use bvh and it only has legs that go back and forth while it walks
2014-07-05 01:39 <djphil_> no npc ?
2014-07-05 01:39 <dahlia> in SL?
2014-07-05 01:39 <djphil_> only linked prims ?
2014-07-05 01:39 <djphil_> ha in SL ok
2014-07-05 01:39 <dahlia> only linked prims
2014-07-05 01:39 <djphil_> kk cool
2014-07-05 01:39 <dahlia> made it years ago
2014-07-05 01:39 <dahlia> opensim didnt exist at the time
2014-07-05 01:40 <lkalif> nebadon: try my thug walk :P https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=9474157F871B8216%2138393
2014-07-05 01:40 <dahlia> lol
2014-07-05 01:40 <djphil_> Things like this are jerky in opensim
2014-07-05 01:40 <djphil_> scripting engine in opensim is not good for this
2014-07-05 01:40 <djphil_> too slow
2014-07-05 01:41 <djphil_> Hope Dev's IMPROVE it :)
2014-07-05 01:41 <dahlia> patches are welcome :)
2014-07-05 01:41 <djphil_> heh i know :p
2014-07-05 01:41 <lkalif> I just contributed a patch today ;)
2014-07-05 01:42 <djphil_> Take the Aurora Engine, it wotk fine !
2014-07-05 01:42 <dahlia> I brought my tesseract to opensim and it worked ok but the scripts used a LOT of cpu
2014-07-05 01:42 <dahlia> no clue why
2014-07-05 01:42 <dahlia> they dont in SL
2014-07-05 01:43 <lkalif> poser walk designer http://i.imgur.com/8dhnBXM.png
2014-07-05 01:44 <dahlia> it has a main script in the root prim that does a bunch of math at startup, then it sends linked messages to the child prims telling them to rotate/resize/move and it sends on timer events, so no llSleep or anything
2014-07-05 01:45 <dahlia> I guess I could use llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast now that it exists, it didnt at the time
2014-07-05 01:46 <djphil_> or osSetLinkPrimitiveParams
2014-07-05 01:46 <dahlia> dunno, I wrote it in SL
2014-07-05 01:46 <dahlia> had too much coffee one evening and couldnt sleep and the next morning that thing existed ;)
2014-07-05 01:47 <djphil_> but I saw that if you put it in big loop "while" it may have problem and stop the script
2014-07-05 01:47 <dahlia> no while loop, uses timer event
2014-07-05 01:47 <djphil_> the extraordinary power of coffee ^^
2014-07-05 01:48 <lkalif> hehe
2014-07-05 01:48 <djphil_> timer is slow
2014-07-05 01:48 <dahlia> you can speed it up in ini file
2014-07-05 01:48 <djphil_> where ?
2014-07-05 01:49 <dahlia> dont remember, search for "Timer" in defaults
2014-07-05 01:49 <djphil_> on my areas I use some timers to move objects at random times ... if I put too many objects, very quickly I obyoens of "timeout" and script stopped
2014-07-05 01:49 <djphil_> kk
2014-07-05 01:49 <dahlia> 0.08 is probably the best choice for minimum value
2014-07-05 01:50 <djphil_> wiki say max 0.3
2014-07-05 01:50 <djphil_> and obtimum is 5.0
2014-07-05 01:50 <djphil_> hahaha
2014-07-05 01:50 <dahlia> I use not_at_target now rather than timers
2014-07-05 01:50 <Melanie_T> both are equally bad for real world use cases
2014-07-05 01:50 <djphil_> interesting :)
2014-07-05 01:50 <Melanie_T> as scripts should really not poll anything but instead run on events only
2014-07-05 01:51 <dahlia> not_at_target is an event
2014-07-05 01:51 <Melanie_T> but timers have more overhead than not_at_target internally
2014-07-05 01:51 <Melanie_T> so are timers.
2014-07-05 01:51 <Melanie_T> what i meant to say is that a script should not normally execute several times per second
2014-07-05 01:51 <Melanie_T> but instead use other means
2014-07-05 01:51 <dahlia> what other means?
2014-07-05 01:52 <Melanie_T> llMoveToTarget instead of llSetPos
2014-07-05 01:52 <Melanie_T> in case of AO, slower cheking causes minor glitching but that is preferable to overloading the sim
2014-07-05 01:52 <dahlia> llmovetotarget is total fail
2014-07-05 01:52 <Melanie_T> similar things apply to other use cases
2014-07-05 01:52 <Melanie_T> i find fast timers are not usually needed
2014-07-05 01:52 <dahlia> llMoveToTarget just does not work
2014-07-05 01:52 <Melanie_T> then llKeyframeMotion
2014-07-05 01:53 <dahlia> llKeyFrameMotion is not physical
2014-07-05 01:53 <djphil_> LlMoveToTarget is greedy to me ... but certainly prettier movement
2014-07-05 01:53 <Melanie_T> neither is llSetPos
2014-07-05 01:53 <djphil_> Yeah KeyFrameMotion is the best !
2014-07-05 01:53 <djphil_> but not 100% implemented in Opensim :p
2014-07-05 01:53 <dahlia> keyframe is poorly implemented, it doesnt use velocity
2014-07-05 01:54 <Melanie_T> it's poorly defined then becaus it is not defined to use it
2014-07-05 01:54 <dahlia> it uses it in SL
2014-07-05 01:54 <djphil_> heh where are pathfinding functions ???
2014-07-05 01:54 <dahlia> good question :)
2014-07-05 01:54 <Melanie_T> hmmm
2014-07-05 01:54 <djphil_> hehe
2014-07-05 01:54 <Melanie_T> at one point i had velocity in keyframe
2014-07-05 01:54 <Melanie_T> but it would constantly overshoot and rubberband
2014-07-05 01:55 <Melanie_T> i guess my math was off
2014-07-05 01:55 <Melanie_T> it's still in there, i think ,just commented
2014-07-05 01:55 <lkalif> you think? ;)
2014-07-05 01:55 <dahlia> it should use velocity and angular velocity
2014-07-05 01:55 <Melanie_T> someone who's better at math may want to look at it
2014-07-05 01:55 <dahlia> :P
2014-07-05 01:55 <Melanie_T> lkalif: i can't say if some later cleanup removed the commented parts
2014-07-05 01:57 <dahlia> well I use not_at_target and llApplyImpulse in my physical moving objects because llMoveToTarget is total fail in opensim and the code is a unreadable disaster
2014-07-05 01:57 <Melanie_T> for my simple use cases (elevators) it works
2014-07-05 01:57 <Melanie_T> more complex stuff - ymmv
2014-07-05 01:57 <dahlia> last I checked z didnt work at all
2014-07-05 01:57 <Melanie_T> bullet?
2014-07-05 01:57 <dahlia> and nothing worked in bullet at the tiem
2014-07-05 01:58 <Melanie_T> because i know it works in avn's ode and i have had reports from people on osg who also made it work
2014-07-05 01:58 <lkalif> does anybody know why opensim uses it's own LLSD stuff?
2014-07-05 01:58 <Melanie_T> lkalif: because the LLDS stuff predates libOMV full OSD support
2014-07-05 01:58 <Melanie_T> or, rather
2014-07-05 01:58 <Melanie_T> it predated the merging of a libomv with llds support
2014-07-05 01:58 <dahlia> lkalif: anything I wrote uses OSD
2014-07-05 01:58 <Melanie_T> so someone, ter I believe, baked his own
2014-07-05 01:59 <Melanie_T> i've also always used libomv osd it's so much nicer
2014-07-05 01:59 <dahlia> ya OSD is pretty nice
2014-07-05 01:59 <lkalif> I looked at that code... and man, it's in need of a big refactor
2014-07-05 01:59 <lkalif> the whole caps thing need to be refactored to use OSD
2014-07-05 01:59 <dahlia> 
ACTION runs away fast....

2014-07-05 02:00 <Melanie_T> lkalif ++++
2014-07-05 02:00 <Melanie_T> yes
2014-07-05 02:00 <lkalif> I don't understand why there are different classes for each request that are passed to handlers, instead of just handing OSD to the handler
2014-07-05 02:00 <dahlia> not using OSD isnt the only problem with CAPS
2014-07-05 02:00 <lkalif> it's too strongly typed
2014-07-05 02:00 <Melanie_T> there are a number of messages, the first to be implemented, that use hardcoded classes for each message
2014-07-05 02:00 <lkalif> and this inflexible
2014-07-05 02:00 <Melanie_T> that stuff so needs to go
2014-07-05 02:01 <lkalif> yeah, just use OSD for requests/responses
2014-07-05 02:01 <dahlia> another problem with caps is it kinda ignores the architectural principle of keeping any LL protocol stuff separated by generic interfaces
2014-07-05 02:02 <dahlia> like llClientView does
2014-07-05 02:02 <lkalif> I wrote the texture inventory item generation today, but I felt the urge to make a big fucking refactor of that thing :P
2014-07-05 02:02 <Melanie_T> the original caps code was meant to do that, but it was incompletely encapsulated
2014-07-05 02:02 <dahlia> so, if one wants to implement an alternate protocol, caps stands in teh way
2014-07-05 02:02 <Melanie_T> bringing the negative parts of isolation without the positive parts of abstraction
2014-07-05 02:03 <Melanie_T> later, it was pretty much accepted that no alternative client would be written
2014-07-05 02:03 <Melanie_T> because no alternative client that was written went opensource
2014-07-05 02:03 <dahlia> same problem with eventqueueget 
2014-07-05 02:03 <djphil_> dahlia : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw4ohyHLWlo
2014-07-05 02:03 <Melanie_T> eqg is also part of caps
2014-07-05 02:04 <dahlia> well kinda
2014-07-05 02:04 <dahlia> djphil_: ya nice. Ive seen that in SL
2014-07-05 02:05 <lkalif> dahlia: I was thinking it would probably be easier to turn GridProxy into alternative protocol manager
2014-07-05 02:05 <dahlia> haha
2014-07-05 02:05 <lkalif> It could be made into sever side component
2014-07-05 02:05 <dahlia> lkalif: well I have a couple alternate protocols and I do them in region modules these days
2014-07-05 02:06 <dahlia> but stuff like border crossing is a PITA because of Caps
2014-07-05 02:06 <lkalif> AjaxLife basically used the same idea
2014-07-05 02:06 <dahlia> I thought AjaxLife used testclient like app
2014-07-05 02:07 <dahlia> not gridproxy
2014-07-05 02:07 <lkalif> yeah, but the priciple is the same
2014-07-05 02:07 <dahlia> gridproxy doesnt have all the client stuffs
2014-07-05 02:08 <lkalif> If I were to say makea a Unity3D client for OpenSim that's how I would do it
2014-07-05 02:08 <lkalif> multi-user gridproxy with websocket interface
2014-07-05 02:08 <dahlia> when I did mine I wrote a IClientAPI module
2014-07-05 02:09 <lkalif> GridProxy based one could support the whole grid, taking care of same origin policy in the process
2014-07-05 02:09 <dahlia> IClientAPI is a good idea but in practice its not good for a non-core module because it changes too often
2014-07-05 02:09 <dahlia> region module interface is much more stable
2014-07-05 02:10 <Melanie_T> IClientAPI is also a nearly exact representation of LLUDP
2014-07-05 02:10 <dahlia> ya
2014-07-05 02:10 <dahlia> the eventmanager stuff is better for non-LL
2014-07-05 02:10 <Melanie_T> unfortunately, wart sand all
2014-07-05 02:10 <dahlia> hmm?
2014-07-05 02:10 <Melanie_T> warts and all
2014-07-05 02:10 <dahlia> oh
2014-07-05 02:11 <Melanie_T> i'm not sore if a region module actually gets everything of interest to a client
2014-07-05 02:11 <nebadon> Unity3D still doesnt run on Linux
2014-07-05 02:11 <Melanie_T> at least to a fat client
2014-07-05 02:11 <lkalif> nebadon: not in web browser yet
2014-07-05 02:11 <dahlia> Melanie_T: it gets a lot, and Ive added a few events
2014-07-05 02:11 <nebadon> does it run at all in linux?
2014-07-05 02:11 <lkalif> nebadon: yeah it supports standalone apps
2014-07-05 02:12 <dahlia> Unity can make linux executables now
2014-07-05 02:12 <dahlia> but not browser plugn
2014-07-05 02:12 <dahlia> *plugin
2014-07-05 02:12 <nebadon> nice
2014-07-05 02:12 <lkalif> they announced support for asm.js which is going to obsolete the plugin anyway
2014-07-05 02:13 <dahlia> maybe, but by the time you convert c# to c++ then to asm.js via emscripten, you probably dont get something all that powerful
2014-07-05 02:13 <lkalif> this is Unity3D running in Firefox with no plugin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWIRUaR9G4w#t=14
2014-07-05 02:15 <dahlia> one must be critical when looking at the various webgl demos out there, a bit of motion and a few flashing textures do NOT make something that can easily render opensim content
2014-07-05 02:15 <nebadon> would you need to buy Unity to compile and develop a Unity3D viewer?
2014-07-05 02:15 <lkalif> they have a free version
2014-07-05 02:15 <dahlia> probably not, I originally wrote mine in the free version
2014-07-05 02:16 <nebadon> ya but is it enough to contribute to an open project written in Unity?
2014-07-05 02:16 <nebadon> cool
2014-07-05 02:16 <Melanie_T> strings attached?
2014-07-05 02:16 <dahlia> well you cant do UDP in the unity web plugin
2014-07-05 02:17 <lkalif> the free version doesn't have all the features (some really advanced stuff)
2014-07-05 02:17 <lkalif> and you get a splash screen
2014-07-05 02:17 <lkalif> "created with unity" or some such at the start
2014-07-05 02:17 <nebadon> ah right
2014-07-05 02:17 <nebadon> i did make a couple of thing with unity
2014-07-05 02:17 <nebadon> ultimiately i didnt like it much
2014-07-05 02:18 <nebadon> would it even be possible to have a git repository of a unity3d project?
2014-07-05 02:18 <nebadon> how would that work
2014-07-05 02:18 <lkalif> sure
2014-07-05 02:18 <lkalif> it works fine
2014-07-05 02:18 <nebadon> ok ya ive never really done any coding
2014-07-05 02:19 <nebadon> i dont recall the project structure at all
2014-07-05 02:19 <lkalif> http://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/ExternalVersionControlSystemSupport.html
2014-07-05 02:19 <nebadon> i remember it being very gui'ish though
2014-07-05 02:19 <lkalif> (use svn in that example, but you get the picture)
2014-07-05 02:19 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-05 02:20 <nebadon> that one says asset server required
2014-07-05 02:20 <nebadon> in know thats not part of the free version
2014-07-05 02:20 <lkalif> their asset server provides version control too
2014-07-05 02:21 <lkalif> this article says if you don't use that, you can use extrnal source code control
2014-07-05 02:22 <Misterblue> the way the client gets data needs to change also -- only be scalable if using a distributed backend
2014-07-05 02:22 <Misterblue> if The Google can get maps to display with all their layers in real time for millions of people, virtual worlds should be able to do the same
2014-07-05 02:23 <lkalif> Google has more PhD per square meter than NSA :P
2014-07-05 02:24 <lkalif> nebadon: did you see the link to the "thug walk" above?
2014-07-05 02:25 <nebadon> no
2014-07-05 02:25 <nebadon> right google is literally like a million servers
2014-07-05 02:25 <lkalif> https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=9474157F871B8216%2138393
2014-07-05 02:25 <lkalif> http://i.imgur.com/8dhnBXM.png
2014-07-05 02:26 <nebadon> nice, where is that from?
2014-07-05 02:26 <lkalif> I just made it. In Poser
2014-07-05 02:27 <djphil_> Poser is nice for caracaters animations
2014-07-05 02:27 <lkalif> there was a time when I was making $5000 USD / month in SL and could afford expensive software like that ;)
2014-07-05 02:27 <nebadon> but hey Misterblue, its only 2 million dollars a day to rent google
2014-07-05 02:27 <nebadon> http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/131962-google-compute-engine-for-2-millionday-your-company-can-run-the-third-fastest-supercomputer-in-the-world
2014-07-05 02:27 <nebadon> :P
2014-07-05 02:28 <nebadon> we could maybe afford a few seconds
2014-07-05 02:28 <lkalif> someone probably wrote password cracker for that thing :P
2014-07-05 02:28 <nebadon> we could compile opensim in 0.00000000000005 ms
2014-07-05 02:29 <djphil_> I found that there are several new programs to create realistic character animation and facial animations also
2014-07-05 02:31 <nebadon> free?
2014-07-05 02:31 <djphil_> Nooooo :s
2014-07-05 02:31 <nebadon> they work with opensim?
2014-07-05 02:31 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-05 02:31 <djphil_> that the problem, isn't Free :(
2014-07-05 02:31 <nebadon> Mixamo looks nice, but expensive
2014-07-05 02:33 <djphil_> Hmmm i test yours pz3 in Poser 2014 but i need rig a caratacer first :p
2014-07-05 02:33 <lkalif> I boght poser 8 when poser 9 was out, that way it was $120, iirc the new one was $500
2014-07-05 02:33 <djphil_> I only see a cross dance on the 3D scene ^^
2014-07-05 02:34 <djphil_> I'll try bhv in opensim, it will be easier :)
2014-07-05 02:35 <nebadon> ya this is a big weakness that we cant use standard animations
2014-07-05 02:36 <nebadon> because there are just no good free animations around
2014-07-05 02:36 <nebadon> and making them is absolutely shitty job
2014-07-05 02:36 <nebadon> hate doing it
2014-07-05 02:37 <lkalif> I made that walk in 30 sec flat :P
2014-07-05 02:38 <djphil_> your walk animation is almost good to use with big bug bunny :)
2014-07-05 02:38 <lkalif> hehe
2014-07-05 02:39 <djphil_> but bunny has a big belly :p
2014-07-05 02:41 <djphil_> Neb, Blender 2.71 have nuw interpolations for animation ...
2014-07-05 02:42 <djphil_> http://www.blender.org/features/2-71/
2014-07-05 02:42 <djphil_> and now too Cycle render is fully include without patch
2014-07-05 02:42 <lkalif> you mean baking?
2014-07-05 02:42 <djphil_> yes
2014-07-05 02:43 <lkalif> yeah that's cool
2014-07-05 02:43 <djphil_> yes very!
2014-07-05 02:45 <djphil_> import bpy
2014-07-05 02:45 <djphil_> bpy.ops.object.bake(type='COMBINED', is_save_external=True, filepath="/tmp/baked.png", width=512, height=512)
2014-07-05 02:45 <djphil_> that the old script to test baking in Blender Beta version
2014-07-05 02:45 <lkalif>  ah, it's still not in the render interface?
2014-07-05 02:45 <djphil_> now yes, is included
2014-07-05 02:47 <djphil_> but you could already tested in 2.70
2014-07-05 02:47 <djphil_> http://www.dalaifelinto.com/?p=990
2014-07-05 02:47 <djphil_> now you can directly use "Bake", that all :)
2014-07-05 02:54 <techplex> Does LibOMV have a sculpt render built in?
2014-07-05 02:56 <lkalif> render? no. it has meshmerizer to make it into vertices
2014-07-05 02:59 <techplex> given the vertices how would you display them "render" in 3D
2014-07-05 03:00 <lkalif> step one, learn 3D programming ;)
2014-07-05 03:00 <lkalif> also look into radegast object list, there is a 3D button on it
2014-07-05 03:00 <techplex> super, thanks
2014-07-05 04:16 <smxy> lkalif: not having everything in OSD has been a (minor) issue for a while, heh: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5347
2014-07-05 06:49 <osmantis> Bug #6835:04 Incorrect movement direction when camera is tilted in 3rd person view 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6835 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-05 10:26 <osmantis> Bug #6835:04 Incorrect movement direction when camera is tilted in 3rd person view 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6835 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-05 12:30 <osmantis> Bug #6835:04 Incorrect movement direction when camera is tilted in 3rd person view 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6835 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-05 14:06 <osmantis> Bug #6835:04 Incorrect movement direction when camera is tilted in 3rd person view 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6835 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-05 14:37 <Dev_Random> Is there a reason for osGetNumberOfNotecardLines to be Threat Level "VeryHigh" ?
2014-07-05 14:41 <Dev_Random> nm... found a comment in the code....
2014-07-05 15:03 <osmantis> Bug #7246:04 llSetKeyframedMotion don't work as expected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7246 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-05 15:32 <osmantis> Bug #7246:04 llSetKeyframedMotion don't work as expected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7246 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-07-05 15:35 <djphil_> vegaslon : I do not agree with you on llKeyFrameMotion.
2014-07-05 15:35 <djphil_> Have you tested my 2 scripts in Second Life?
2014-07-05 15:36 <djphil_> Oops, and Hi :)
2014-07-05 15:40 <vegaslon> yes I mentioned how it can be fixed not that it was not wrong
2014-07-05 15:41 <djphil_> ha ok, so I do not quite understand what you said
2014-07-05 15:41 <djphil_> should blame google translator and me. English is not my native language, sorry :)
2014-07-05 15:43 <djphil_> I hope alots llKeyFrameMotion will be fixed soon
2014-07-05 19:35 <osmantis> Bug #7246:04 llSetKeyframedMotion don't work as expected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7246 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-05 20:50 <osmantis> Bug #7253:04 Asset permission error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7253 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-05 20:57 <osmantis> Bug #7191:04 [BULLETSIM] exception with linkset on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7191 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-05 21:34 <osmantis> Bug #6835:04 Incorrect movement direction when camera is tilted in 3rd person view 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6835 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-05 21:39 <osmantis> Bug #7229:04 Teleport from Var to normal sim, both with latest dev master and Viewer locks up about 10-15 secs after TP completes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7229 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-05 23:33 <osmantis> Bug #7229:04 Teleport from Var to normal sim, both with latest dev master and Viewer locks up about 10-15 secs after TP completes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7229 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-06 01:14 <osmantis> Bug #7229:04 Teleport from Var to normal sim, both with latest dev master and Viewer locks up about 10-15 secs after TP completes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7229 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-07-06 01:41 <osmantis> Bug #7229:04 Teleport from Var to normal sim, both with latest dev master and Viewer locks up about 10-15 secs after TP completes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7229 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-06 20:39 <techplex> is there a way to do Key2Name over the hypergrid? I've found name2key in the from of get_uuid xml-rpc command
2014-07-06 20:44 <techplex> ping diva
2014-07-06 20:48 <nebadon> I really doubt you can do it via HG
2014-07-06 20:51 <techplex> hey nebadon, I find that interesting. Is it a security concern? 
2014-07-06 20:51 <techplex> I figured that if the harder of the two Name2key existed than k2name must exist
2014-07-06 20:53 <nebadon> no I wouldnt say its a security concern
2014-07-06 20:53 <nebadon> its just not wired to do that I suspect
2014-07-06 20:53 <nebadon> its not that way by design or anything its just one of those things I suspect may not work
2014-07-06 20:56 <techplex> user_title is passed along as part of the get_user_info, any idea what a users "title" might be? Display name?
2014-07-06 20:57 <Plugh> There is an os function that does key2name. The other way of doing it is via an HTTP call if a grid has a web page that can be called to do that function.
2014-07-06 21:01 <nebadon> HG uuids are not just a uuid
2014-07-06 21:01 <nebadon> the HG url is encoded into the UUID
2014-07-06 21:02 <nebadon> its 3 parts if i recall
2014-07-06 21:02 <nebadon> i dont remember exactly without digging
2014-07-06 21:07 <diva> ther is a way of doing key2Name over HG, but only if you already know where the avie comes from
2014-07-06 21:08 <techplex> assuming I know the grid they come from, and their key is it an XML-RPC call?
2014-07-06 21:14 <diva> yes. GetUUI
2014-07-06 21:17 <techplex> diva, string GetUUI(UUID userID, UUID targetUserID); What is the difference between userID and targetUserID?
2014-07-06 21:17 <diva> If yo're just making a plain query for a userID that is supposed to be local to that grid, use UUID.Zero as the first argument and the userID as the second
2014-07-06 21:17 <techplex> super, thanks
2014-07-06 21:19 <diva> getUUI gets the universal identifier of targetUserID (the 2nd argument). Optionally, the first argument can be the UUID of another user in that grid, and getUUI will search for the UUI of the target user also in that first user's friend list
2014-07-06 21:20 <diva> so in case you have a foreign user visiting (the first argument) and that user decided to contact coneone in their friends list for which your grid has no record
2014-07-06 21:21 <diva> so when the first argiument is not UUID.Zero, the search of target happens both in the UserAccounts and in the first argument user's friends list
2014-07-06 21:23 <diva> (should probably have switched those two arguments, but now it's probably too late)
2014-07-06 21:43 <techplex> did all of that code out of your head, or did I miss some docs somewhere diva?
2014-07-06 21:44 <diva> I coded it first, and wrote documentation after: http://www.ics.uci.edu/~lopes/opensim/HypergridReferenceGuide.html  The documentation is slightly outdated though; some things are missing. Haven't had time to update it
2014-07-06 21:53 <techplex> super! The inner workings of the Hypergrid are really impressive. 
2014-07-06 21:55 <techplex> Diva, is there a reason that the user account information can't be returned as part of the get_user_info )UserAgentService.GetUserInfo(UUID  userID)? I feel like that would be much clearer for people trying to access a key2name functionality
2014-07-06 21:55 <osmantis> Bug #7253:04 Asset permission error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7253 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2014-07-06 21:55 <diva> the user account such as name?
2014-07-06 21:56 <techplex> yes, firstname and lastname
2014-07-06 21:59 <diva> well I was a little worried when I saw that [new] method. I didn't write it, BlueWall did for profiles. I'm still unconfortable. User accounts are internal resources of a virtual world, so things like titles aren't necessarily to be shared world-wide. I may rewrite that method to make it configurable. But the name -- sure, I don't see why not, given that it's being served anyway. So maybe 
2014-07-06 21:59 <diva> that method needs to be rewritten
2014-07-06 22:00 <techplex> I'll send in a patch
2014-07-06 22:01 <diva> ok
2014-07-06 22:01 <osmantis> Bug #6990:04 OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.SceneGraph [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6990 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-06 22:03 <osmantis> Bug #7254:04 http://opensimulator.org/mantis 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7254 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-06 22:03 <osmantis> Bug #7254:04 Lookup username given key(uuid) XML-RPC 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7254 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-07-06 22:08 <diva> techplex can you send a patch can I can apply with git? the one you added is just a diff, doesn't have your name, etc
2014-07-06 22:11 <osmantis> Bug #7230:04 Teleport into SW 256x256 area of a var causes terrain to load reverse order than normal. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7230 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-06 22:12 <techplex> Diva: sorry about that. Patch added in the correct format ( I hope)
2014-07-06 22:17 <osmantis> Bug #7229:04 Teleport from Var to normal sim, both with latest dev master and Viewer locks up about 10-15 secs after TP completes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7229 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-06 22:18 <diva> thanks techplex
2014-07-06 22:18 <techplex> my pleasure, and thank you
2014-07-06 22:21 <Melanie_> diva: didn't look at the patch - does it have any kind of security?
2014-07-06 22:21 <Melanie_> or else, is it disabled by default?
2014-07-06 22:22 <diva> no, not disabled, it's on by default. I'm going to change it
2014-07-06 22:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #3679 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-06 22:22 <diva> make it, at least, configurable
2014-07-06 22:22 <diva> I know those fields are needed to fill out the profile info, but...
2014-07-06 22:22 <lkalif> key 2 name disabled by default?
2014-07-06 22:22 <diva> no
2014-07-06 22:22 <diva> GetUserInfo
2014-07-06 22:23 <lkalif> but the only useful thing in that is name, right?
2014-07-06 22:23 <diva> something BlueWall added for making profiles work across the HG
2014-07-06 22:24 <lkalif> I think if you have hypergrid enabled, GetUserInfo should work.
2014-07-06 22:24 <diva> yes
2014-07-06 22:24 <diva> but not necessarily serve the info in the way that it is doing
2014-07-06 22:25 <diva> right now it's sending the UserFlags, Created and UserTitle. I think this needs to be configurable. Grids may want to expose just generic info instead of the specifics
2014-07-06 22:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3679: SUCCESS in 8 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3679/
2014-07-06 22:26 <osjenkins> diva: Lookup username given key(uuid) XML-RPC
2014-07-06 22:26 <Melanie_> correct
2014-07-06 22:26 <lkalif> I think that's configuration overload. If a grid enables hypergrid access, I doubt they'll want to prevent getting the profile.
2014-07-06 22:26 <Melanie_> also, llKey2Name is limited to avatars in the sim
2014-07-06 22:26 <Melanie_> getting info on other avatars is done with llRequestAgentInfo
2014-07-06 22:27 <Melanie_> that is a dataserver event
2014-07-06 22:27 <Melanie_> so it can be throttled
2014-07-06 22:27 <lkalif> that's all irrelevant information
2014-07-06 22:27 <Melanie_> having a network-reachable open call for it can allow an attacker to cause database overload
2014-07-06 22:27 <Melanie_> so the call needs to be authenticated
2014-07-06 22:27 <lkalif> Melanie_: connecting yout rtver to the internet will do that too
2014-07-06 22:29 <diva> What are the UserFlags Melanie_?
2014-07-06 22:29 <Melanie_> payment info on file, transacted, age verified, etc
2014-07-06 22:29 <Melanie_> a bitfield
2014-07-06 22:29 <Melanie_> you should not expose it
2014-07-06 22:30 <Melanie_> at least age verified has privacy concerns
2014-07-06 22:30 <lkalif> it's not in use
2014-07-06 22:30 <Melanie_> stock opensim doesn't use it
2014-07-06 22:30 <lkalif> Melanie_: at lest be honest when inciting paranoia
2014-07-06 22:30 <Melanie_> but 3rd party economymodules do
2014-07-06 22:30 <Melanie_> exposing it would force a security breach on grids that use it
2014-07-06 22:31 <lkalif> those grids don't use hypergrid in the first place
2014-07-06 22:32 <diva> lkalif grids that do may not want to expose these fields either.
2014-07-06 22:32 <lkalif> diva: Melanie_ is inventing stuff to make this look scary
2014-07-06 22:32 <diva> this has nothing to do with Melanie_
2014-07-06 22:32 <lkalif> nobody uses maturity flag as it was never implemented in the viewer
2014-07-06 22:33 <lkalif> so nobody bothered to use it for anything
2014-07-06 22:33 <lkalif> not even LL
2014-07-06 22:33 <nebadon> maturity does effect certain things
2014-07-06 22:33 <Melanie_> you're wrong
2014-07-06 22:33 <nebadon> like sounds
2014-07-06 22:33 <Melanie_> it's masked in LL
2014-07-06 22:33 <diva> As soon as I saw this method, red flags popped up in my head
2014-07-06 22:33 <nebadon> it shuts off sounds from mature areas
2014-07-06 22:33 <Melanie_> but for one single release they actually did send it to the viewer by accident
2014-07-06 22:33 <Melanie_> so we know they use it
2014-07-06 22:33 <Melanie_> they simply masked it off in the next release
2014-07-06 22:34 <Melanie_> because of privacy concerns
2014-07-06 22:34 <Melanie_> they use it internally in their dataserver<-->sim traffic
2014-07-06 22:34 <Melanie_> it's masked to 0 when it's sent sim<->viewer
2014-07-06 22:34 <lkalif> yes, I'm supposed to take your word for it?
2014-07-06 22:34 <lkalif> and that you know what they use internally?
2014-07-06 22:34 <lkalif> lol
2014-07-06 22:34 <Melanie_> you can do your onw research
2014-07-06 22:34 <lkalif> I know it is now used.
2014-07-06 22:35 <lkalif> Supposed bugs in a single release you can claim to have existed.
2014-07-06 22:35 <lkalif> Today, it is not used anywhere.
2014-07-06 22:36 <Melanie_> it is simply not sent to viewers anymore. however, opensim, if it is set, will send it to viewers
2014-07-06 22:37 <Melanie_> and if you look back through viewer history around when av was added
2014-07-06 22:37 <Melanie_> you will find viewers that even have a string for displaying it
2014-07-06 22:37 <Melanie_> however, the field in the profile was never enlarged so the full string never showed
2014-07-06 22:37 <lkalif> so about 10 years ago?
2014-07-06 22:37 <lkalif> lol
2014-07-06 22:38 <lkalif> couhgt in a lie again and tryiong desparatly to wiggle her way out
2014-07-06 22:40 <nebadon> lkalif you need to lay off man
2014-07-06 22:40 <nebadon> this argument your making is pointless
2014-07-06 22:40 <nebadon> who cares
2014-07-06 22:40 <lkalif> listen, she wants to argue for stuff to be closed and paranoid
2014-07-06 22:40 <lkalif> fine
2014-07-06 22:40 <lkalif> but why invent stuff to support your argument?
2014-07-06 22:40 <diva> lkalif she is not arguing for things to be closed
2014-07-06 22:40 <nebadon> ya but everytime she says anything you fly off into a tyrade
2014-07-06 22:41 <lkalif> and she does this all the time
2014-07-06 22:42 <nebadon> well it sounds to me like there is a valid concern, so I guess I am confused
2014-07-06 22:42 <lkalif> nebadon: i said that age veriefied flag was not used anywhere which is a fact. it was not me that was pushing some bogus argument
2014-07-06 22:44 <diva> she may be using it. There are derivatives of viewers out there that do all sorts of things. But I don't care about what the viewers do; I care about what opensim exposes
2014-07-06 22:44 <lkalif> diva: no viewer uses this flag
2014-07-06 22:44 <Melanie_> we don't use it
2014-07-06 22:44 <diva> opensim is accessed by viewers, but not only
2014-07-06 22:44 <Melanie_> we don't do AV because we're adult and you confirm to be adult when you join
2014-07-06 22:44 <diva> it's also accessed by ad-hoc web clients
2014-07-06 22:45 <Melanie_> most of these security concerns are things that are absolutely no skin off my nose
2014-07-06 22:45 <lkalif> i've been inspecting SL protocol closely since 2006. I have never seen this flag used in that time by any grid, viewer system
2014-07-06 22:46 <Melanie_> but i happpen to have been a security consultant and that kind of thinking is ingrained with me - someone could be using it and they would be exposed, ergo does it need to be authenticated
2014-07-06 23:00 <techplex> any data that can be made avalialbe without making the code or anyone's use insecure should be. It is _open_sim after all
2014-07-06 23:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #3680 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-06 23:05 <osmantis> Bug #7254:04 Lookup username given key(uuid) XML-RPC 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7254 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-06 23:05 <Melanie_> diva: is that in any way granular?
2014-07-06 23:05 <osmantis> Bug #7254:04 Lookup username given key(uuid) XML-RPC 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7254 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-06 23:06 <diva> no
2014-07-06 23:06 <diva> one flag to rule them all
2014-07-06 23:06 <diva> I mean all = UserTitle, UserFlags, User creation date
2014-07-06 23:06 <Melanie_> so if a grid uses payment and/or av flags
2014-07-06 23:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3680: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3680/
2014-07-06 23:06 <osjenkins> diva: Changed GetUserInfo so that the exposure of user account details is ruled by a configuration variable. It's on by default.
2014-07-06 23:06 <Melanie_> and wants to hide those only
2014-07-06 23:06 <Melanie_> what do they lose to achieve it?
2014-07-06 23:07 <diva> they should provide a patch
2014-07-06 23:07 <Melanie_> that's no answer
2014-07-06 23:07 <Melanie_> what to they lose by turning this off?
2014-07-06 23:07 <Melanie_> do*
2014-07-06 23:07 <diva> lose?
2014-07-06 23:07 <Melanie_> functionality
2014-07-06 23:07 <Melanie_> feaures
2014-07-06 23:07 <diva> I don't get it
2014-07-06 23:07 <Melanie_> options/abilities?
2014-07-06 23:08 <lkalif> they lose hypergrid profile support
2014-07-06 23:08 <diva> no
2014-07-06 23:08 <diva> not true
2014-07-06 23:08 <lkalif> profile detail?
2014-07-06 23:08 <diva> they simply get UserTitle=string.Empty, UserCreation=0, UserFlags=0
2014-07-06 23:08 <Melanie_> k
2014-07-06 23:09 <Melanie_> sounds like an acceptable tradeoff for those who can't code
2014-07-06 23:09 <Melanie_> those who can, will do so anyway
2014-07-06 23:31 <zadarkAlt1> Patches that change functionality should be accompanied with a wiki entry update
2014-07-06 23:32 <nebadon> indeed
2014-07-06 23:32 <nebadon> anyone know of any place you can buy nice mesh T-Pose avatars
2014-07-06 23:32 <nebadon> nice big collection would be ideal
2014-07-06 23:33 <nebadon> and just to save everyone time, turbosquid sucks, pretty much anything that comes up on the first 10-15 pages of google on just about ever variation of 3d avatar / character you can imagine
2014-07-06 23:34 <nebadon> wondering if anyone has an obscure source, don't care about cost i'll entertain anything at this point
2014-07-06 23:35 <nebadon> these need to be from a reputable source too, good license etc..
2014-07-06 23:35 <nebadon> so ya pretty much im asking for the impossible I know lol
2014-07-06 23:35 <nebadon> pretty sure im chasing unicorns
2014-07-06 23:35 <lkalif> I like pegasus more anyway :P
2014-07-06 23:36 <Melanie_> we're not done with our custom skeleton mods
2014-07-06 23:36 <Melanie_> so, no unicorns
2014-07-06 23:36 <Melanie_> no pegasi either
2014-07-06 23:36 <nebadon> i need models for npcs to populate my cities
2014-07-06 23:36 <nebadon> and I am having no luck, i found one big collection that looked nice on their web page, but in reality isnt so nice
2014-07-06 23:36 <lkalif> mesh npcs?
2014-07-06 23:36 <nebadon> not for opensimulator anyway
2014-07-06 23:36 <Melanie_> and, as i understand, preferably not copyrighted gta4 thugs
2014-07-06 23:37 <nebadon> ya if possible lkalif mesh is much easier to manage
2014-07-06 23:37 <nebadon> and I am getting pretty good at rigging
2014-07-06 23:37 <lkalif> do you use avastar?
2014-07-06 23:37 <nebadon> yes
2014-07-06 23:37 <nebadon> its freakin awesome
2014-07-06 23:37 <lkalif> it's like 20 bucks or something?
2014-07-06 23:37 <nebadon> ya 27$ i think
2014-07-06 23:37 <nebadon> totally worth every penny
2014-07-06 23:43 <nebadon> anyway if anyone stumbles across a nice collection of mesh avatars for sale please do let me know if you don't mind :)
2014-07-06 23:43 <nebadon> I found these
2014-07-06 23:43 <nebadon> https://secure.axyz-design.com/product-category/3d-people
2014-07-06 23:44 <lkalif> I saw some software for generating them
2014-07-06 23:44 <nebadon> but the website is much nicer than what the models end up looking like in OpenSimulator, plus they are not quite ready to be easily rigged for SL, the areas where the joints would be on the mesh is not divided in a nice way that opensim likes
2014-07-06 23:44 <nebadon> Ya there is Mixamo
2014-07-06 23:44 <nebadon> but thats an ongoing expense type of thing
2014-07-06 23:44 <nebadon> yearly subscription
2014-07-06 23:44 <nebadon> its like 1500$ a year for the whole package
2014-07-06 23:45 <lkalif> the one I saw was not it... but can't remember
2014-07-06 23:45 <nebadon> and their SL support is kind of spotty at best
2014-07-06 23:45 <nebadon> ya I would preferably have pre-generated ones
2014-07-06 23:45 <nebadon> office people, city people, urban stuff, kids, city workers
2014-07-06 23:45 <nebadon> that kind of stuff
2014-07-06 23:45 <lkalif> I would rather have world peace, but I often sttle for less :P
2014-07-06 23:48 <nebadon> one thing i really suck at is making avatars
2014-07-06 23:49 <nebadon> lol man this is sad
2014-07-06 23:49 <nebadon> mixamo only has 4 avatars I could use
2014-07-06 23:49 <nebadon> https://www.mixamo.com/3d-characters
2014-07-06 23:49 <nebadon> everything they offer is like MMORPG style fantasy characters
2014-07-06 23:49 <nebadon> no one makes real world charachters
2014-07-06 23:49 <nebadon> sucks
2014-07-06 23:50 <lkalif> real world sucks? ;)
2014-07-06 23:51 <nebadon> ya but its low hanging fruit! someone needs to pluck it! lol
2014-07-06 23:51 <lkalif> heh, they use unity for character preview
2014-07-06 23:51 <nebadon> their whole thing is in unity
2014-07-06 23:51 <lkalif> I wish I could remember this tool
2014-07-06 23:52 <nebadon> cant run mixamo on linux either cause of that
2014-07-06 23:52 <lkalif> this is the year of linux desktop!
2014-07-06 23:53 <lkalif> or not ;)
2014-07-06 23:54 <nebadon> hehe
2014-07-06 23:55 <nebadon> more like the year of microsoft and apple not doing anything good
2014-07-06 23:55 <nebadon> so yay linux
2014-07-06 23:55 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-07 00:00 <nebadon> if your learning Avastar this is a good video
2014-07-07 00:00 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxTH7pVjnRc
2014-07-07 00:00 <lkalif> so osmantis is restarted by a cron thing?
2014-07-07 00:00 <lkalif> nebadon: I don't have it
2014-07-07 00:00 <nebadon> ya my craptastic fix
2014-07-07 00:01 <nebadon> i didnt feel like looking at the code so i just have cron restart it every 6 hours
2014-07-07 00:01 <lkalif> hey, if it fixes a problem... it's fine :)
2014-07-07 00:01 <nebadon> ya it seems to work better
2014-07-07 00:01 <nebadon> before it might  go a couple days before anyone noticed it was dead
2014-07-07 00:02 <lkalif> I took a nap, and mosquitos had a feast
2014-07-07 00:02 <nebadon> the little bot sdague wrote doesnt like splits
2014-07-07 00:02 <lkalif> my left arm has like 20 red spotns on it
2014-07-07 00:02 <lkalif> and they itch like hell
2014-07-07 00:02 <nebadon> ya I am pretty sure to the mosquitos I am like kobe beef or something
2014-07-07 00:03 <lkalif> lol
2014-07-07 00:07 <lkalif> "American football" should be called "handegg" :P https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Br4JyJzCIAAc7XX.jpg
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2014-07-07 00:27 <Plugh> nebadon: Hm... I know where poses or animations can be found. I haven't gone looking for avatars. You need them in bvh format?
2014-07-07 00:28 <nebadon> animations would be great too
2014-07-07 00:28 <nebadon> mostly i need the mesh models
2014-07-07 00:28 <nebadon> but i do need good animations too
2014-07-07 00:30 <Plugh> nebadon: https://sites.google.com/a/cgspeed.com/cgspeed/motion-capture/cmu-bvh-conversion
2014-07-07 00:30 <nebadon> i do remember seeing this before
2014-07-07 00:30 <nebadon> but none of that is SL compatible is it?
2014-07-07 00:30 <Plugh> That is a link to CMU's motion capture database.
2014-07-07 00:30 <nebadon> SL has a very specific rig
2014-07-07 00:30 <Plugh> They are BVH files.
2014-07-07 00:30 <nebadon> yes but bhv can have like 256 channels
2014-07-07 00:31 <nebadon> or something
2014-07-07 00:31 <nebadon> SL only uses like 27 I think
2014-07-07 00:31 <lkalif> with specific names
2014-07-07 00:31 <nebadon> you can have like 16 legged creatures with 10 heads
2014-07-07 00:31 <Plugh> nebadon: Could you script a conversion between the two?
2014-07-07 00:31 <nebadon> hmm I don't know, seems like it would be a lot of work
2014-07-07 00:31 <nebadon> since bvh is just a container of content
2014-07-07 00:31 <nebadon> its not a universal format
2014-07-07 00:32 <nebadon> each file can vary drastically
2014-07-07 00:32 <Plugh> I love these formats that are possibly universally used by programs but aren't truly universal. :)
2014-07-07 00:32 <nebadon> well LL basterdizes everything they touch
2014-07-07 00:32 <nebadon> but mocap is complex
2014-07-07 00:32 <Plugh> I haven't gotten in to animations yet with Blender and/or SL. I've just some simple poses.
2014-07-07 00:33 <nebadon> bvh is very similar ot midi
2014-07-07 00:33 <nebadon> if you know anything about midi you know that not every midi is the same
2014-07-07 00:33 <Plugh> Won't you have the same sort of problem if you found avatars that they may be in a format you can't easily use?
2014-07-07 00:33 <nebadon> right
2014-07-07 00:33 <nebadon> i need T-Pose mesh avatars
2014-07-07 00:33 <nebadon> that are riggable
2014-07-07 00:33 <nebadon> don't need them pre-rigged unless already rigged for SL/OS
2014-07-07 00:34 <Plugh> Can you use stuff made for Poser?
2014-07-07 00:35 <nebadon> sure
2014-07-07 00:35 <nebadon> as long as the license is good
2014-07-07 00:35 <nebadon> i would need the models in 3ds, fbx , dae or .blend
2014-07-07 00:35 <Plugh> ok. That might be your best bet. Search for Poser related stuff.
2014-07-07 00:35 <nebadon> or even .obj might work
2014-07-07 00:36 <nebadon> ya so far I havent found much of anything ive been searching for a long time
2014-07-07 00:36 <nebadon> there isnt much poser stuff available either
2014-07-07 00:37 <nebadon> the problem is everyone makes MMORPG fantasy stuff
2014-07-07 00:37 <nebadon> no one makes real world characters
2014-07-07 00:37 <nebadon> its all orcs, and demons
2014-07-07 00:37 <nebadon> or strippers
2014-07-07 00:37 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-07 00:37 <lkalif> lol
2014-07-07 00:37 <lkalif> nebadon: your city needs a titty joint or two lol
2014-07-07 00:37 <Plugh> The only other source of models I see are stuff for DAZ Studio but I don't know if their files would be usable or if the licenses would be compatible with your needs
2014-07-07 00:38 <nebadon> ya i shold look at daz
2014-07-07 00:38 <Plugh> Interesting comment on a web page -> As an animator I HATE the T-Pose. I really prefer arms at a 45 degree  angle like what is posted in that thread, for easier shoulder  manipulation. It really helps control stretching. 
2014-07-07 00:38 <nebadon> daz stuff kind of sucks though
2014-07-07 00:38 <Plugh> Some of the daz stuff is also geared to the fantasy area.
2014-07-07 00:38 <nebadon> ya i can deal with those too
2014-07-07 00:38 <nebadon> but its more work 45 degrees
2014-07-07 00:39 <nebadon> because for SL it has to be 90 degrees
2014-07-07 00:39 <Plugh> I get what they are saying about how it affects the shoulders.
2014-07-07 00:39 <nebadon> so regardless if its better, in our case thats not relaly relevant, it just creates more work
2014-07-07 00:40 <Plugh> I grabbed a copy of DAZ when they offered it for free. I haven't done anything with it.
2014-07-07 00:40 <Plugh> It did run via Wine (or mono?) last time I tried it.
2014-07-07 00:41 <nebadon> ya that was Hexagon was free
2014-07-07 00:41 <nebadon> I dont think their Main software was ever free
2014-07-07 00:41 <Plugh> nebadon: Is the Make Human project of any use.
2014-07-07 00:41 <nebadon> no
2014-07-07 00:41 <Plugh> ok
2014-07-07 00:41 <nebadon> not for what I am doing
2014-07-07 00:41 <nebadon> i really need premade avatars
2014-07-07 00:42 <nebadon> i am just no good at generating them
2014-07-07 00:42 <nebadon> and I suspect paying someone to create a completely brand new from scratch library of avatars is more than I can afford
2014-07-07 00:42 <nebadon> its a lot of work
2014-07-07 00:44 <Plugh> I got DAZ studio (two different versions), Hexagon, and possibly one of their other products. I think it was a limited time free offer as I wouldn't have bothered otherwise. I still haven't had time to look at Blender so I wouldn't have been inclined to spend a lot of money on a Windows based program I wouldn't use (much).
2014-07-07 00:45 <Plugh> oh, Bryce may have also been available but I think I passed on that.
2014-07-07 00:46 <Plugh> I did buy messiahStudio when they offered it for a ridiculously low price for a short period of time.
2014-07-07 00:48 <nebadon> bryce was cool back in the day for generating terrains
2014-07-07 00:49 <nebadon> most of the DAZ stuff i didnt like though
2014-07-07 00:49 <frnic> nebadon, why not use MakeHuman to create your mesh avatars? It would seem that a couple dozens variations would be easy?
2014-07-07 00:49 <nebadon> hexagon was extremely frustrating
2014-07-07 00:49 <nebadon> ive not have any luck generating anything of significant quality with MakeHuman
2014-07-07 00:49 <nebadon> the library has nothing in it
2014-07-07 00:49 <nebadon> unless i missed something recently
2014-07-07 00:50 <nebadon> the clothes it generates are absolutely horrible
2014-07-07 00:50 <nebadon> best i could get was a naked avatar
2014-07-07 00:50 <nebadon> even the hair is quite bad
2014-07-07 00:50 <nebadon> let me see if there have been some updates or something
2014-07-07 00:51 <nebadon> ya still 1.0.1 hasnt been updated in ages
2014-07-07 00:51 <nebadon> has to be over a year
2014-07-07 00:56 <nebadon> ya just downloaded it again, as far as I can tell unless you have your own clothing models the best you can do is generate a naked avatar
2014-07-07 00:58 <Plugh> 
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2014-07-07 00:58 <Plugh> Probably because they expect you to use DAZ for clothing the avatars.
2014-07-07 00:59 <nebadon> nah makehuman is opensource project
2014-07-07 00:59 <nebadon> its free
2014-07-07 00:59 <nebadon> it just doesnt have any content other than a few very low quality basic shapes included
2014-07-07 01:01 <Plugh> Out of the box, DAZ Studio 4.5 Pro comes with one male and one female avatar.
2014-07-07 01:01 <Plugh> Michael and Victoria.
2014-07-07 01:02 <nebadon> be back in a few i need food
2014-07-07 01:04 <Plugh> ok. 
2014-07-07 01:05 <Plugh> I haven't tried using DAZ Studio in so long I can't remember how to get one of the avatars to rez.
2014-07-07 01:11 <osmantis> Bug #7254:04 Lookup username given key(uuid) XML-RPC 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7254 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-07 01:27 <keygruin> used to be an online site for generating avatars with a good selection of clothing, they looked pretty good but they went offline
2014-07-07 01:27 <keygruin> I think it was revolver.com or something like that
2014-07-07 01:27 <keygruin> I have a few I made saved
2014-07-07 01:28 <keygruin> nebadon would these be any help: http://i.imgur.com/O0o0Gpg.png
2014-07-07 01:40 <Plugh> keygruin: Web archive shows revolver.com as being The Times Appointments, a recruitment website that addresses the career needs of Britain's workforce. Might have been a site with a similar name.
2014-07-07 01:41 <Plugh> Those avatars look good.
2014-07-07 01:43 <keygruin> maybe it was evolver.com
2014-07-07 01:43 <keygruin> ya 
2014-07-07 01:43 <keygruin> I think so
2014-07-07 01:44 <keygruin> anyways I set them out on my osgrid region Keyway/67/77/22
2014-07-07 01:45 <keygruin> I have the Blender files for them on another hard drive
2014-07-07 01:51 <nebadon> those are nice keygruin you make those?
2014-07-07 01:56 <Plugh> keygruin: yup. that was it. evolver.com was tied in with Autodesk.
2014-07-07 01:57 <Plugh> Seems to have gone bye bye at the beginning of 2012.
2014-07-07 02:00 <keygruin> ya well they were generated online
2014-07-07 02:00 <Plugh> 
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2014-07-07 02:00 <keygruin> just had to go through and pick from all the options for skin, clothes, etc
2014-07-07 02:01 <keygruin> it was a free service for a while then I think they got overloaded
2014-07-07 02:02 <Plugh> They could have tried turning it in to a paid service of some sort.
2014-07-07 02:02 <keygruin> it's possible they did but after they quit the free service I lost interest lol
2014-07-07 02:10 <nebadon> yea I don't know what to do, i need a lot of avatars
2014-07-07 02:11 <nebadon> im thinking minimum 50 avatars, possibly more
2014-07-07 02:16 <keygruin> so they don't need to be rigged?
2014-07-07 02:16 <nebadon> they do
2014-07-07 02:16 <nebadon> but i can rig them
2014-07-07 02:16 <nebadon> i dont need to receive them rigged
2014-07-07 02:17 <nebadon> but the license needs to be solid
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2014-07-07 13:30 <Misterblue> Nebadon: talk to Cuteulala about mesh avatars. She's looking for someone to help her rig hers
2014-07-07 13:57 <nebadon> her avatars are very cartoony Misterblue
2014-07-07 14:08 <osmantis> Bug #7255:04 Script reported as active, after removing self from inventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7255 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-07 17:47 <smxy> Misterblue: ping
2014-07-07 17:48 <smxy> nebadon: ping
2014-07-07 17:48 <nebadon> hey smxy
2014-07-07 17:48 <smxy> Do you have a few minutes to help me maybe figure out an issue ?
2014-07-07 17:48 <nebadon> ya I am on the phone at the moment on hold may get distracted
2014-07-07 17:48 <nebadon> whats up?
2014-07-07 17:50 <smxy> I have a problem with Replex/Singularity, with varregions, that I don't with Firestorm. It happens in three different grids of mine - two Robust and a D2 - but does NOT happen in the Replex region of OSgrid. And I can't for the life of me figure out what is causing it.
2014-07-07 17:50 <nebadon> ok
2014-07-07 17:50 <nebadon> what is it doing?
2014-07-07 17:51 <smxy> If I try to TP, using the 'gtp' command, to someplace outside the first 256x256, the regions gets told the wrong coords - ones too big for the region, and I get put at 128 128 128 instead.
2014-07-07 17:51 <smxy> For example, I just tried to go to 'gtp 768 512 25'
2014-07-07 17:51 <smxy> the region logged:
2014-07-07 17:51 <smxy> 13:46:00 - [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: RequestTeleportToLocation() was given an illegal position of <1536, 1280, 25> for avatar Shaun.Emerald @sanctuary.homelinux.org, 6d989e4b-53ed-4217-98a8-4626a6d5cbda in Smxy.  Substituting <128, 128, 128>
2014-07-07 17:52 <nebadon> how odd
2014-07-07 17:52 <nebadon> i have never used the gtp command how does that work?
2014-07-07 17:52 <smxy> 3 grids, 3 vars all the same. Replex and Singularity do this, but Firestorm works.
2014-07-07 17:52 <smxy> But in the OSgrid Replex region, all three work.
2014-07-07 17:53 <smxy> What in the hell could I have wrong?
2014-07-07 17:53 <nebadon> i am not sure
2014-07-07 17:53 <nebadon> ive never used gtp
2014-07-07 17:53 <nebadon> it works ok with map teleports though?
2014-07-07 17:54 <smxy> just a sec
2014-07-07 17:54 <smxy> yup
2014-07-07 17:55 <smxy> bouble-click TP on the ground works too.
2014-07-07 17:56 <smxy> s/b/d/
2014-07-07 17:56 <smxy> There isn'
2014-07-07 17:56 <smxy> t a lot to setting up a var, so I don't quite see what I could have screwed up.
2014-07-07 17:57 <nebadon> sorry 1 sec
2014-07-07 17:57 <smxy> sure
2014-07-07 17:57 <smxy> I'll run and grab a cup o coffee. brb
2014-07-07 18:01 <smxy>   ack
2014-07-07 18:01 <smxy> back*
2014-07-07 18:02 <nebadon> ok me to sorta 1 more sec
2014-07-07 18:02 <smxy> np
2014-07-07 18:02 <nebadon> dealing with my broken down vehicle
2014-07-07 18:02 <smxy> lovely
2014-07-07 18:02 <nebadon> ya its been broken for a while
2014-07-07 18:02 <nebadon> its actually been at the shop for the past week
2014-07-07 18:02 <nebadon> pain in the ass
2014-07-07 18:02 <nebadon> impossible to find parts
2014-07-07 18:03 <smxy> What is it - an Edsel? :)
2014-07-07 18:04 <nebadon> its a 1999 Jeep Wrangler Sahara Edition
2014-07-07 18:04 <nebadon> with lift kit
2014-07-07 18:04 <nebadon> it has a rare rear axle
2014-07-07 18:04 <nebadon> not common on most jeeps
2014-07-07 18:04 <AllenKerensky> getting TJ parts shouldn't be hard - but your mods might be
2014-07-07 18:05 <nebadon> its not a TJ though
2014-07-07 18:05 <AllenKerensky> hahaha you dropped the Dana 44 and put what on?
2014-07-07 18:05 <nebadon> no its a Dana 44
2014-07-07 18:05 <nebadon> but no one has any
2014-07-07 18:05 <nebadon> they are very hard to find for my year and model apparantly
2014-07-07 18:05 <AllenKerensky> yeah they all get bought up - check your local jeeper clubs
2014-07-07 18:05 <nebadon> we have been looking for over a week
2014-07-07 18:06 <nebadon> I think we did find one
2014-07-07 18:06 <nebadon> hopefully its in good shape, should be
2014-07-07 18:06 <nebadon> going to put the gears from mine into it
2014-07-07 18:06 <nebadon> mine only has 35k miles on it
2014-07-07 18:06 <AllenKerensky> yah - the Dana 35 snaps axle shafts more often than it should - so most folks that get a sport/X/etc refit a Dana 44 later
2014-07-07 18:07 <nebadon> mine the Stabilizer mounts sheered off
2014-07-07 18:07 <nebadon> and the universal joint for drive shaft snapped
2014-07-07 18:07 <nebadon> and the drive shaft took out a bunch of brackets
2014-07-07 18:07 <AllenKerensky> if you have a facebook account - scrub around in there for a local jeep clan or 4 and talk to them
2014-07-07 18:07 <nebadon> and my muffler
2014-07-07 18:07 <AllenKerensky> good grief what did you do - drop it on a rock?
2014-07-07 18:07 <nebadon> and apparantly i need to new front shocks too
2014-07-07 18:08 <nebadon> no it was like -15 degrees
2014-07-07 18:08 <nebadon> and i was coming of highway and down shifted
2014-07-07 18:08 <AllenKerensky> ooof!
2014-07-07 18:08 <nebadon> and it just exploded
2014-07-07 18:08 <nebadon> only thing i can think is it already had a stress crack of some kind
2014-07-07 18:08 <nebadon> though i cant recall doing anything that would cause that kind of damage
2014-07-07 18:08 <AllenKerensky> previous owners
2014-07-07 18:09 <smxy> So, ...
2014-07-07 18:09 <nebadon> smxy can you try OKC World
2014-07-07 18:09 <nebadon> on OSGrid
2014-07-07 18:09 <nebadon> see if you have same problem there
2014-07-07 18:09 <nebadon> i just updated
2014-07-07 18:09 <smxy> You Replex region works fine. But sure
2014-07-07 18:09 <nebadon> not sure who owns replex
2014-07-07 18:09 <nebadon> its not mine
2014-07-07 18:10 <smxy> lkalif suggested it, so maybe his
2014-07-07 18:10 <nebadon> ya probably is
2014-07-07 18:12 <smxy> what size is this region?
2014-07-07 18:12 <nebadon> 768x768
2014-07-07 18:12 <nebadon> there are 4 of them
2014-07-07 18:12 <smxy> works as one would expect
2014-07-07 18:12 <smxy> But not in my three
2014-07-07 18:13 <nebadon> ok that to me says Robust
2014-07-07 18:13 <nebadon> your running the latest code?
2014-07-07 18:13 <smxy> Ah, but it does it in my D2, too.
2014-07-07 18:13 <nebadon> hmm
2014-07-07 18:13 <nebadon> ya that is odd
2014-07-07 18:14 <smxy> OpenSim 0.8.1 Dev          219d273 - r24921 2014-07-05 00:50:33 +0100 [CentOS 6.5/Mono 3.6.1] (Unix/Mono)
2014-07-07 18:14 <nebadon> what coordinates are your regions at?
2014-07-07 18:14 <nebadon> ok thats exactly what i am running
2014-07-07 18:14 <nebadon> you clear your viewer cache?
2014-07-07 18:14 <smxy> No.
2014-07-07 18:14 <nebadon> worth a shot maybe
2014-07-07 18:14 <nebadon> rule it out anyway
2014-07-07 18:15 <smxy> Then why does it work in your grid in two vars and not in three grids of mine, if it's the cache?
2014-07-07 18:15 <nebadon> well maybe it wasnt cached on OSgrid when you tried
2014-07-07 18:15 <nebadon> so it worked
2014-07-07 18:15 <nebadon> perhaps your grid was broken in a cache or something, i really don't know
2014-07-07 18:16 <smxy> I'll try that in a moment.
2014-07-07 18:16 <nebadon> ya worth a shot
2014-07-07 18:16 <nebadon> since nothing else seems obvious
2014-07-07 18:16 <nebadon> only other thing that jumps out is mono 3.6.1
2014-07-07 18:16 <nebadon> im running 3.4.1 on my box
2014-07-07 18:16 <smxy> I went to 3.6.1 when you did.
2014-07-07 18:16 <nebadon> ya different server
2014-07-07 18:16 <smxy> sme night
2014-07-07 18:16 <nebadon> OKC World is not same as my other server
2014-07-07 18:17 <nebadon> I dont have any vars running on 3.6.1
2014-07-07 18:17 <nebadon> not yet anyway
2014-07-07 18:18 <smxy> 6000,6000; 5000,5000; 8104,8103
2014-07-07 18:21 <Plugh> Which mono is being used with osgrid? 3.4 or 3.6?
2014-07-07 18:21 <smxy> I exited the viewer, manually deleted all viewer caches; fired up Replex and tried again. Same behavior.
2014-07-07 18:21 <smxy> So that's not it.
2014-07-07 18:22 <nebadon> we use 3.2.8 on the plaza boxes
2014-07-07 18:22 <nebadon> not sure what lkalif has on Replex region
2014-07-07 18:23 <smxy> I thought it was a viewer bug, because Firestorm works fine.
2014-07-07 18:23 <smxy> But when it works in the two vars in OSg ...
2014-07-07 18:24 <Plugh> Just trying to decide what version of mono to install on a Linux box. For now it is to run Robust but later it will also run a test grid.
2014-07-07 18:24 <smxy> I just don't see what I could have done wrong.
2014-07-07 18:26 <nebadon> maybe it has something to do with size of var
2014-07-07 18:26 <nebadon> how large is your var? is it same as Replex region?
2014-07-07 18:26 <smxy> one is a 512x512, another a 768x768 and the last a 1024x1024
2014-07-07 18:27 <nebadon> hmm ok
2014-07-07 18:27 <nebadon> how strange
2014-07-07 18:27 <smxy> yes!
2014-07-07 18:27 <nebadon> I am completely stumped, there isnt even really anything you can configure or change that would efect teleporting that I can think of
2014-07-07 18:27 <smxy> And for the 1024x1024, that's the D2 and I followed Diva's instructions on how to updte from a megaregion to a var. There was little to screw up.
2014-07-07 18:28 <nebadon> have you tried using a different avatar?
2014-07-07 18:28 <smxy> No :) Just a sec
2014-07-07 18:28 <nebadon> don't know why that would matter but worth a shot too
2014-07-07 18:28 <nebadon> since we are out of ideas
2014-07-07 18:30 <Plugh> smxy: You have the same problem regardless of the size of the var?
2014-07-07 18:31 <smxy> I exited, cleared the cche again, logged in with a different avatar and it worked! WTF is different?
2014-07-07 18:31 <smxy> Besides the obvious. :)
2014-07-07 18:31 <Dev_Random> smxy, I'm in Eld2, and it works fine for me
2014-07-07 18:31 <smxy> Oooooh, this one isn't a grid god.
2014-07-07 18:32 <smxy> I wonder if it's the other one's god status that is causing it.
2014-07-07 18:33 <Plugh> Easy enough to test that, smxy
2014-07-07 18:34 <Plugh> I think it would be odd if god status makes a difference but won't know until you try.
2014-07-07 18:34 <smxy> Agreed.
2014-07-07 18:36 <smxy> Hmm. But he wouldn't be a grid god in my other two grids, so that seems to rule that out.
2014-07-07 18:36 <smxy> Only in the one grid
2014-07-07 18:36 <smxy> So what else might be different between the avatars that might cause it?
2014-07-07 18:38 <nebadon> hmm
2014-07-07 18:38 <nebadon> ya I can't really think of anything
2014-07-07 18:38 <nebadon> howeer
2014-07-07 18:38 <nebadon> you can still have the viewer think its in god mode
2014-07-07 18:39 <nebadon> even if you don't have god powers
2014-07-07 18:39 <smxy> No, this isn't gode mode
2014-07-07 18:39 <nebadon> so if you log into your grid, enable god mode, and jump out
2014-07-07 18:39 <smxy> this is a userlevel of 250 in the DB
2014-07-07 18:39 <nebadon> you would still be in god mode, even though you don't have god powers in that remote grid
2014-07-07 18:39 <smxy> No, I haven't enabled god mode via the viewer.
2014-07-07 18:39 <nebadon> ok
2014-07-07 18:39 <nebadon> ya that is very odd then
2014-07-07 18:40 <nebadon> ok
2014-07-07 18:40 <nebadon> just had a thought
2014-07-07 18:40 <nebadon> perhaps you have two entries in the presence table
2014-07-07 18:40 <nebadon> for same avatar
2014-07-07 18:40 <smxy> let me look
2014-07-07 18:40 <nebadon> maybe its making its region calculations based on you being in a different
2014-07-07 18:40 <nebadon> region*
2014-07-07 18:42 <smxy> nope
2014-07-07 18:42 <nebadon> ok there is another table
2014-07-07 18:42 <nebadon> that stores last location
2014-07-07 18:42 <smxy> how do I make this avatar a normal user again?
2014-07-07 18:42 <nebadon> set its user level to 0
2014-07-07 18:42 <nebadon> you can do it on robust console
2014-07-07 18:42 <nebadon> type help users
2014-07-07 18:43 <nebadon> there is a command to set user level
2014-07-07 18:43 <smxy> let me try that
2014-07-07 18:45 <smxy> he also has flags 780
2014-07-07 18:47 <smxy> I think, when I logged in, Replex just told me it was "Drycleaning clothes" lol
2014-07-07 18:48 <smxy> okay, still acts wrong with user level of 0. But his flags are 780. Have to figure out how to change those to 0 next.
2014-07-07 18:48 <nebadon> ya it does
2014-07-07 18:48 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-07 18:49 <nebadon> its possible 780 would play a role maybe
2014-07-07 18:49 <nebadon> as that flag basically says you are a LL employee I think
2014-07-07 18:50 <nebadon> so it very well could change viewer behavior in some instances
2014-07-07 18:50 <smxy> Well, as soon as I figure out how to change it, we'll test that theory :)
2014-07-07 18:51 <smxy> I think I have to edit the DB directly
2014-07-07 18:53 <Plugh> smxy: I saw that dry cleaning clothes message during a login to some grid recently.
2014-07-07 18:57 <smxy> Flags are 0, so now let's see.
2014-07-07 18:58 <smxy> Nope, that wasn't it either. Hrmph.
2014-07-07 18:58 <smxy> I did a 'show account' before logging him in to verify the level and flags were both 0.
2014-07-07 19:00 <smxy> I'm running out of ideas.
2014-07-07 19:16 <nebadon> did you restart regions smxy
2014-07-07 19:16 <nebadon> once you log into a region as a god
2014-07-07 19:16 <nebadon> your always a god in that region
2014-07-07 19:16 <nebadon> even if the robust flags are removed
2014-07-07 19:16 <nebadon> sorry had to step away for minute sorry for delayed response
2014-07-07 19:23 <lkalif> smxy: open your %appdata%\SecondLife\ folder
2014-07-07 19:23 <lkalif> you will find avatar_name@grid forlders there
2014-07-07 19:23 <lkalif> if you don't care about chat log, just delete the one you're having trouble with and try again
2014-07-07 19:30 <smxy> I do care about chat logs. I'll set them aside, clear the cacxhe and restart the region.
2014-07-07 19:31 <smxy> -x
2014-07-07 19:38 <smxy> I did that and it still misbehaves.
2014-07-07 19:39 <lkalif> all per-account settings are stored in that folder
2014-07-07 19:39 <smxy> Yes, I removed the Secondlife folder altogether.
2014-07-07 19:39 <smxy> Cleared the cache, manually.
2014-07-07 19:39 <smxy> Restarted the region.
2014-07-07 19:40 <lkalif> and it only doesn't work with one avatar=
2014-07-07 19:40 <smxy> Re-added my grid and logged in.
2014-07-07 19:40 <smxy> Yes. :(
2014-07-07 19:40 <smxy> VERY odd.
2014-07-07 19:40 <nebadon> ya so very strange, I am out of ideas at this point
2014-07-07 19:43 <smxy> actually, I only assumed it still didn't work for just the one. I tried the other one, that worked, and no it doesn't.
2014-07-07 19:43 <smxy> now*
2014-07-07 19:43 <smxy> So now I have two broken.
2014-07-07 19:44 <lkalif> your machine is possesed. 
2014-07-07 19:44 <smxy> heh
2014-07-07 19:44 <lkalif> that's my technical diagnosis :P
2014-07-07 19:44 <nebadon> ya really does not make any sense
2014-07-07 19:44 <smxy> it's multiple server, mulltiple grids.
2014-07-07 19:44 <smxy> And this one avatar worked until I blew away the viewer settings and restarted the region
2014-07-07 19:45 <lkalif> just open the map and teleport ;)
2014-07-07 19:45 <smxy> That's not an answer.
2014-07-07 19:46 <Dev_Random> I'm using Replex Viewer 1.8.5 (5995) Jun 18 2014 13:14:30 (Replex Alpha)... in Eld2, and it's fine for me.
2014-07-07 19:46 <lkalif> did firestorm implement our hypergrid map thing?
2014-07-07 19:46 <lkalif> when you hg tp you should see dest grid map
2014-07-07 19:48 <smxy> When? before you TP or after or both?
2014-07-07 19:48 <smxy> So it works for Dev_Random. So it's back to my avatars again.
2014-07-07 19:49 <lkalif> after teleport
2014-07-07 19:49 <smxy> Let me check
2014-07-07 19:52 <lkalif> And yes, Replex region on OSGrid is mine
2014-07-07 19:53 <smxy> when I go to another grid in FS, I do not see the maptile when I pull up the map after arriving. Perhaps it'll be in their next release.
2014-07-07 19:53 <smxy> And the TP in my var still works with FS
2014-07-07 19:54 <lkalif> yeah, I didn't think they had it
2014-07-07 19:54 <smxy> It seems to be something about the avatars, but what could it be?
2014-07-07 19:54 <lkalif> I should probably make them a patch
2014-07-07 19:54 <smxy> Works for Dev_Random with Replex, but not me
2014-07-07 19:54 <smxy> same region.
2014-07-07 19:55 <lkalif> that's because Dev_Random is way cooler than you :P
2014-07-07 19:56 <Dev_Random> If we're digging into the bottom of the barrel for ideas.... I don't have a HOME set anywhere on that region.
2014-07-07 19:56 <Dev_Random> (or grid)
2014-07-07 19:57 <smxy> My home is in my grid, but not that region. But I don't have a home set in my other two grids for this avatar, either.
2014-07-07 20:32 <smxy> Any other ideas on how to troubleshoot this?
2014-07-07 20:33 <smxy> hmm, I wonder if the higher levels of http logging that oren added might shed any light on this.
2014-07-07 20:36 <smxy> Not really.
2014-07-07 20:37 <smxy> In an 768x768, I see that <512, 256, 0> is being added to the coords I give.
2014-07-07 20:37 <smxy> Let me check the other two regions
2014-07-07 20:41 <smxy> That was when I tried to go to 355 450 27
2014-07-07 20:43 <smxy> in the 1024x1024, going to 768 768 25 tried to take me to 1536 768 25, so <768, 0, 0> was added
2014-07-07 20:46 <smxy> but going to 355 450 27 took me to 611 962 27, so <512, 256, 0> was added
2014-07-07 20:46 <smxy> I'm not seeing a pattern, other than multiples of 256, in what gets added.
2014-07-07 21:02 <lkalif> I see code is almost identical to firestorm
2014-07-07 21:02 <lkalif> but they do allow gtp x y
2014-07-07 21:02 <lkalif> without z
2014-07-07 21:03 <lkalif> in which case they use your current altitude
2014-07-07 21:03 <lkalif> handy, I will add that to replex
2014-07-07 21:03 <smxy> Where I am, in the var, decides what amount gets added to the coords is specify. Like I was just at 623 273 20 and tried to gtp to 128 128 128 and wound up at 384 128 128.
2014-07-07 21:10 <smxy> hmm. At 768 768 128 I tried to go to 128 128 128 ang again wound up at 384 128 128
2014-07-07 21:11 <smxy> and*
2014-07-07 21:33 <smxy> I give up, for now. Need to think of new ways to troubleshoot this.
2014-07-07 21:54 <osmantis> Bug #7243:04 [BULLETS SCENE] ProcessTaints BSPrim ForceBodyShapeRebuild 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7243 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-07-07 22:26 <smxy> If I divide a region into two parcels, then click edit terrain in on parcel and select lower, only that parcel should lower, right? The whole sim did. And yes, I'm in the parcel that should be lowered and selected that land and I saw the property lines beforehand ...
2014-07-07 22:28 <Melanie_> no
2014-07-07 22:28 <Melanie_> you can and will modify any land you work on
2014-07-07 22:28 <Melanie_> unless you don't have the right
2014-07-07 22:28 <Melanie_> so if you're NOT god and NOT estate owner and NOT estate manager and NOT parcel owner and NOT in the land group and NOT have friend rights
2014-07-07 22:28 <Melanie_> then you cant edit it
2014-07-07 22:29 <smxy> I want to work on only the selected parcel. How do I do that?
2014-07-07 22:29 <Melanie_> else, parcel boundaries are just green lines
2014-07-07 22:29 <Melanie_> you can't limit brishes to a single parcel
2014-07-07 22:29 <Melanie_> brushes
2014-07-07 22:29 <Melanie_> brushes will always work on any land you're allowed to
2014-07-07 22:29 <smxy> I didn't use a brush. I used apply
2014-07-07 22:29 <Melanie_> this matches sl
2014-07-07 22:29 <Melanie_> you need to hold a "land selection"
2014-07-07 22:30 <Melanie_> this is how you do it
2014-07-07 22:30 <nebadon> you should be able to select land with a box and hit apply
2014-07-07 22:30 <smxy> how do you do that and then switch the tool to lower?
2014-07-07 22:30 <Melanie_> press ctrl-5 to open land modify
2014-07-07 22:30 <Melanie_> then, open parcel properties by clicking on the parcel name in the title bar
2014-07-07 22:30 <Melanie_> then, right-click the land you're on, select "properties"
2014-07-07 22:31 <Melanie_> the about land box will populate, do not close it
2014-07-07 22:31 <Melanie_> you now have an exact parcel selection
2014-07-07 22:31 <Melanie_> select functions and use apply as needed
2014-07-07 22:31 <Melanie_> you will act only on that parcel
2014-07-07 22:31 <Melanie_> the instructions are for singu/replex
2014-07-07 22:31 <smxy> That's quite a set of hoops to jump through just to work on one parcel.
2014-07-07 22:31 <Melanie_> this may not work with firestorm
2014-07-07 22:35 <smxy> no "properties" when I right-click on the land
2014-07-07 22:35 <smxy> in Replex.
2014-07-07 22:35 <Melanie_> could be labeled differently
2014-07-07 22:35 <Melanie_> about land
2014-07-07 22:35 <Melanie_> maybe
2014-07-07 22:35 <smxy> just about land, which the closed when I selected it
2014-07-07 22:35 <smxy> then* closed
2014-07-07 22:35 <Melanie_> hmmm
2014-07-07 22:35 <Melanie_> then select it again
2014-07-07 22:35 <Melanie_> to reopen it
2014-07-07 22:35 <Melanie_> i guess it was changed to a toggle
2014-07-07 22:36 <Melanie_> the point is that the parcel selected in about land becomes selected in edit land IF and only if the edit land dialog (ctrl-5) is open at that time
2014-07-07 22:36 <Melanie_> and it deselects when about land is closed
2014-07-07 22:37 <smxy> well, the whole region still lowers
2014-07-07 22:37 <Melanie_> anyway, i agree that a check box "limit terrain editing to current parcel" or somesuch may be helpful
2014-07-07 22:37 <Melanie_> but, that is viewerside to implement
2014-07-07 22:37 <Melanie_> then the easiest way to do it is to make an avatar
2014-07-07 22:38 <smxy> I currently cannot modify just the one parcel. That's broken.
2014-07-07 22:38 <Melanie_> sell it that parcel, don't make it a god or anything manager
2014-07-07 22:38 <Melanie_> then work on the parcel
2014-07-07 22:38 <smxy> That's ridiculous.
2014-07-07 22:38 <Melanie_> i agree
2014-07-07 22:38 <Melanie_> it is
2014-07-07 22:38 <Melanie_> but it's not something that can be implemented server side without viewer support for it
2014-07-07 22:38 <Melanie_> LL designed land editing with mainland in mind
2014-07-07 22:39 <Melanie_> not with opensim having non-linden gods
2014-07-07 22:39 <Melanie_> means, it's very design is not based on anyone owning a whole sim
2014-07-07 22:39 <Melanie_> private regions were added after the terrain editing tools were coded
2014-07-07 22:40 <smxy> And I know people in SL who have regions who tell me "just make a parcel, work on that, then rejoin. Works like a charm." That doesn't match with what you are saying.
2014-07-07 22:43 <smxy> I was with the region owner a couple of weeks ago, when he made a parcel behind my house and then lowered just that parcel.
2014-07-07 22:43 <smxy> How could he do that if he owns the whole region?
2014-07-07 22:44 <smxy> I'm not sdasying you're wrong. I'm saying I don't understand.
2014-07-07 22:44 <smxy> saying*
2014-07-07 22:48 <Melanie_> maybe other viewers have other tools
2014-07-07 22:49 <Melanie_> maybe he used the trick i told you
2014-07-07 22:49 <Melanie_> which is what i do
2014-07-07 22:49 <Melanie_> i just don't know why it doesn't work for you
2014-07-07 22:49 <Melanie_> but land selection is a viewer tool
2014-07-07 22:49 <Melanie_> the viewer tells the sim what parts of the land to apply the effect to
2014-07-07 22:51 <smxy> Why does the effect work right up to the South and Western edges, but 1m short on the North and East sides?
2014-07-07 22:51 <smxy> It should go right to the edges on all sides, I should think.
2014-07-07 22:53 <smxy> flatten and lower both do that
2014-07-07 22:54 <smxy> and raise
2014-07-07 22:59 <smxy> (Maybe the 'trick' isn't working because I'm on a Mac.)
2014-07-07 23:00 <Melanie_> so am i
2014-07-07 23:00 <smxy> Hmm. okay.
2014-07-07 23:00 <Melanie_> mid 2013 imac 27"
2014-07-07 23:00 <Melanie_> i'm still on ML
2014-07-07 23:01 <Melanie_> didn't do mavericks
2014-07-07 23:01 <Melanie_> and i use singu
2014-07-07 23:01 <Melanie_> alpha
2014-07-07 23:01 <smxy> late 2012 27" iMac 10.9.3
2014-07-07 23:01 <smxy> I'll try Singu
2014-07-07 23:02 <smxy> Hmm, they have a new alpha. let me grab that.
2014-07-07 23:06 <smxy> Same :(
2014-07-07 23:21 <smxy> Melanie_: I sold the land to a normal avatar who has no special rights or anything. When he tries to lower the parcel, nothing happens.
2014-07-07 23:22 <Melanie_> relog first with the avatar
2014-07-07 23:22 <Melanie_> some rights are not applied until then
2014-07-07 23:22 <Melanie_> the info is cached in LandManagementModul and LLClient
2014-07-07 23:22 <Melanie_> not all of that updates perfectly yet
2014-07-07 23:22 <Melanie_> the land code is a mess
2014-07-07 23:23 <smxy> Yes, I just relogged. Was on FS with him and now Singu Alpha. Nothing happens.
2014-07-07 23:23 <smxy> 'mess' is not what I'd call it. More like P.O.S.
2014-07-07 23:24 <smxy> :)
2014-07-07 23:25 <smxy> though it does help if one actually BUYS the land, I suspect. :) oops
2014-07-07 23:27 <smxy> Okay, I'll eat those words. That worked. :) But I still have the issue of the meter wide strip that doesn't get affected, along the North and East sides.
2014-07-07 23:28 <H-H-H> are there any web side search systems for opensim yet
2014-07-07 23:28 <H-H-H> searchable from the web i mean
2014-07-07 23:29 <smxy> Diva has one at Metaverseink, I think
2014-07-07 23:29 <H-H-H> yes but is that opensource is closed source just for metaverse
2014-07-07 23:29 <H-H-H> sorry for typos 
2014-07-07 23:35 <smxy> Well, you can set up the same thing yourself with the search module and a webserver, I believe.
2014-07-07 23:35 <smxy> and a little php
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2014-07-07 23:38 <hi_every_body> hello
2014-07-07 23:39 <Plugh> Replex viewer? There is no end to new viewers.
2014-07-07 23:40 <hi_every_body> huh?
2014-07-07 23:40 <Plugh> lkalif: What is supposed to be different/special about Replex vs. Singularity?
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2014-07-07 23:46 <Trinity93> i think the intent is its not singularity... other than that im cluless
2014-07-07 23:47 <Plugh> Some nice improvements/fixes listed in the changelog. Just curious why the viewer code had to be forked instead of just contributing the changes to Singularity.
2014-07-07 23:48 <Plugh> I particularly like the change that stops the login boxes from resetting on failed login.
2014-07-07 23:48 <Plugh> That's always bugged me.
2014-07-07 23:48 <smxy> It may have some fixes in it that aren't in Singularity, but yeah, it's not Singu is the big one. lkalif, for reasons of his own, that I shall not get into, prefers not to work with the Singu folks now. So, Replex.
2014-07-07 23:49 <Plugh> ok
2014-07-07 23:51 <smxy> There was a lot of cross-pollination between the two, but that may have stopped. Not sure.
2014-07-07 23:51 <Plugh> Perhaps it will get a number of other fixes for things that seemed to have gotten bad in Sing.
2014-07-07 23:51 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods to smxy.

2014-07-07 23:52 <Plugh> There is a fair amount of cross pollination amongst many of the viewers.
2014-07-08 02:45 <lkalif> smxy: try this with firestorm. go to your test region. relog there. this is important. login, run the command. see that it fails. open world map. close. try again. now it works
2014-07-08 02:45 <lkalif> same with all the viewers
2014-07-08 02:48 <lkalif> hmm. openining map doesn
2014-07-08 02:48 <lkalif> does't fix it for me in firestorm
2014-07-08 03:09 <osmantis> Bug #7252:04 Multiple right clicks in viewer causes lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7252 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-08 05:44 <smxy> lkalif: after the relog it worked. It's always worked in FS for me.
2014-07-08 05:44 <smxy> I'll try it with replex
2014-07-08 05:47 <smxy> Aha! Using that recipe, with Replex, made it work. :)
2014-07-08 05:47 <smxy> You're onto something. :)
2014-07-08 05:50 <smxy> And with that bit of success, I'm off to bed. 
2014-07-08 10:46 <osmantis> Bug #7256:04 Attach/wear object by script results in object disappear 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7256 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-08 10:47 <osmantis> Bug #7256:04 Attach/wear object by script results in object disappear 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7256 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-07-08 10:55 <osmantis> Bug #7256:04 Attach/wear object by script results in object disappear 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7256 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-07-08 12:44 <smxy> lkalif: It's the opening and closing of the map that's the key thing. When I HG TP to my other test grids, I try it, it fails, I open and close the map and then it works.
2014-07-08 15:19 <nebadon> hmm found a problem
2014-07-08 15:20 <nebadon> seems when an avatar sits on llTargetOmega prim, the rotation is not being translated to the avatar
2014-07-08 15:21 <nebadon> ah ya el problemo
2014-07-08 15:21 <nebadon> it works if the prim is root
2014-07-08 15:21 <nebadon> if its a child prim it does not
2014-07-08 15:22 <nebadon> this broke my NPC vendors
2014-07-08 15:22 <nebadon> where you can preview the clothes inside on a NPC
2014-07-08 15:22 <nebadon> rezzes and NPC that stands on a rotating pose stand
2014-07-08 15:23 <nebadon> i wonder how this works in SL
2014-07-08 15:23 <nebadon> im going to chekc
2014-07-08 15:26 <nebadon> damn doesnt work in SL either
2014-07-08 15:26 <nebadon> it used to work in opensim, it must have changed when we fixed some of the sitting issues
2014-07-08 15:27 <nebadon> oh well
2014-07-08 15:27 <Dev_Random> nebadon? is it this?    http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7231
2014-07-08 15:31 <nebadon> Dev_Random yes
2014-07-08 15:31 <nebadon> but i just checked second life
2014-07-08 15:31 <nebadon> and it doesnt work there either
2014-07-08 15:31 <nebadon> I think the reason it actually worked in OpenSim was due to a bug, it probably never should have worked here
2014-07-08 15:31 <Dev_Random> ha.
2014-07-08 15:31 <Dev_Random> so hopefully justin isn't fixing it!!!
2014-07-08 15:32 <nebadon> I am not sure he can, but if he can let him
2014-07-08 15:32 <nebadon> would be great to have back
2014-07-08 15:32 <Melanie_> it will not be changed
2014-07-08 15:32 <Melanie_> allowing the avatar to rotate means linking the avatar to the child prim instead of the root
2014-07-08 15:32 <Melanie_> that is not how link sets work
2014-07-08 15:33 <Melanie_> if that were done, we would get the camera issues back as well as having unbearable jitter in sit position when more than one avatar sits on a vehicle
2014-07-08 15:33 <Melanie_> all these bugs were caused by us "sitting" the avatar on the child prim instead, as SL does it, all avatar sitting on the root
2014-07-08 15:34 <Melanie_> if that were changed back, we'd get at least these three major regressions
2014-07-08 15:34 <Melanie_> possibly others
2014-07-08 15:36 <nebadon> thats what I figured Melanie_
2014-07-08 15:36 <H-H-H> hey nebadon what php version does osgrid use?
2014-07-08 15:36 <nebadon> not sure H-H-H id have to check
2014-07-08 15:38 <H-H-H> im running the profiles and search and os from the osgrid download page but the viewer still crashes when creating a classified add but it doesnt on osgrid 
2014-07-08 15:38 <H-H-H> i have put some debug in and the only thing i can think of is it doesnt like my php version or i dont have something set right in php ini
2014-07-08 15:39 <nebadon> apache logs don't say anything?
2014-07-08 15:40 <H-H-H> no errors in apache loggs
2014-07-08 15:40 <H-H-H> not even a notice or warning 
2014-07-08 15:41 <H-H-H> it might even be a lib or something on this machine
2014-07-08 15:41 <H-H-H> baffling the crap out of me lolk (which isnt hard)
2014-07-08 15:41 <Melanie_> lower your php log level
2014-07-08 15:42 <Melanie_> make sure you explicitly set a time zone in php.ini
2014-07-08 15:42 <Melanie_> php 5.3+ need that
2014-07-08 15:42 <nebadon> 5.3.15 H-H-H
2014-07-08 15:43 <H-H-H> PHP Version 5.5.13
2014-07-08 15:43 <H-H-H> maybe i need to downgrade
2014-07-08 15:43 <nebadon> doubt it
2014-07-08 15:45 <H-H-H> my php log level is error_reporting = E_ALL & ~E_DEPRECATED & ~E_STRICT
2014-07-08 15:46 <H-H-H> which should do them all
2014-07-08 15:47 <nebadon> not sure this would make any difference but you have asp style and short tags enabled?
2014-07-08 15:48 <nebadon> i would think if you didnt it probably wouldnt work at all
2014-07-08 15:48 <nebadon> not just fail on this 1 part only
2014-07-08 15:48 <H-H-H> yes they are enabled and my timezone is set to utc
2014-07-08 15:48 <H-H-H> date.timezone = UTC
2014-07-08 15:49 <Melanie_> at this point, the best way forward is to compile a viewer in debug mode
2014-07-08 15:49 <Melanie_> run it in the debugger to find where it barfs
2014-07-08 15:49 <Melanie_> then you would see which script is involved and what bad data it sends
2014-07-08 15:49 <Melanie_> you could then write a test harness for the script and debug
2014-07-08 15:50 <H-H-H> why is nothing ever an easy fix lol
2014-07-08 15:50 <nebadon> welcome to my world :P
2014-07-08 15:50 <H-H-H> thanks Melanie_ 
2014-07-08 15:50 <H-H-H> and thanks nebadon
2014-07-08 15:51 <nebadon> wingridproxy might help too?
2014-07-08 15:51 <nebadon> Melanie_?
2014-07-08 15:51 <Melanie_> it may
2014-07-08 15:51 <Melanie_> if one knows the expected data
2014-07-08 15:51 <Melanie_> or if a reply is so badly deformed that it's obvious
2014-07-08 15:51 <Melanie_> e.g. a php error message instead llds
2014-07-08 15:51 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-08 15:51 <nebadon> if its crashing the viewer
2014-07-08 15:51 <H-H-H> well i use a clone of singu and i also run my own crash log system 
2014-07-08 15:51 <nebadon> i suspect it is probably obvious
2014-07-08 15:52 <H-H-H> i notice a load of really wierd crap in the crash logs
2014-07-08 15:53 <H-H-H> ?-??T㗴?m?????
2014-07-08 15:53 <H-H-H> ??0???-??T.?????
2014-07-08 15:53 <H-H-H> for example ^
2014-07-08 15:53 <H-H-H> however the exact same viewer works fine in osgrid
2014-07-08 15:53 <H-H-H> bah brb
2014-07-08 17:48 <justincc> nebadon: ping
2014-07-08 17:54 <nebadon>  hey justincc
2014-07-08 17:54 <justincc> nebadon: we're going to do some kind of load test today?
2014-07-08 17:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #3681 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-08 17:58 <nebadon> justincc yes
2014-07-08 17:58 <nebadon> I have grid updated
2014-07-08 17:58 <nebadon> setup a Varregion and loaded in Universal Campus v1.5
2014-07-08 17:58 <justincc> I just discovered a dumb mistake I made in console commadn but luckily can workaround
2014-07-08 17:58 <nebadon> not quite at 2.0 yet :)
2014-07-08 17:58 <nebadon> ah cool
2014-07-08 17:59 <nebadon> ya not enough time now to do another update
2014-07-08 17:59 <justincc> but keynotes will be 'normal' region split?
2014-07-08 17:59 <nebadon> yes
2014-07-08 17:59 <nebadon> we can go there first
2014-07-08 17:59 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-07-08 17:59 <nebadon> then jump to var 
2014-07-08 17:59 <justincc> which is the var?
2014-07-08 17:59 <justincc> ah, VarRegion-01? :)
2014-07-08 18:00 <nebadon> yes
2014-07-08 18:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3681: SUCCESS in 8 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3681/
2014-07-08 18:00 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix issue with running "stats record start|stop" console command
2014-07-08 18:00 <nebadon> there is a lot of content there
2014-07-08 18:00 <nebadon> its like 36000 prims or so
2014-07-08 18:01 <nebadon> im in the process of converting Universal Campus to mesh and var
2014-07-08 18:01 <nebadon> it used to be 44500 prims
2014-07-08 18:01 <justincc> ok
2014-07-08 18:02 <justincc> you ok for an announce to the various places?
2014-07-08 18:04 <nebadon> justincc I did not, i need to get that worked out, but i suspect we will have a nice amount of people
2014-07-08 18:04 <nebadon> i will announce on skype right now
2014-07-08 18:05 <justincc> ok, I will do so on g+ and mailing lists
2014-07-08 18:05 <nebadon> thanks
2014-07-08 18:05 <justincc> what is the hg url to use?
2014-07-08 18:06 <nebadon> http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 Keynote 1
2014-07-08 18:06 <justincc> great, thanks
2014-07-08 18:16 <smxy> lkalif: how'd you figure out that opening/closing the map would fix the gtp issue and did figuring that out lead you to a fix for the problem?
2014-07-08 18:16 <smxy> Glad for the workaround though. :)
2014-07-08 19:50 <H-H-H> hey Melanie_ are you around? if so could you take a peek at http://pastebin.com/KHcAtSEx and give me your opinion pleas
2014-07-08 19:51 <H-H-H> from what i can see its barfing due to not recieving the right properties back
2014-07-08 19:54 <H-H-H> i do have the full gdb.txt if thats any use :)
2014-07-08 20:02 <nebadon> Var region held up very well at todays Load Test
2014-07-08 20:02 <lkalif> 4nice
2014-07-08 20:03 <lkalif> 4 was my cat typing lol
2014-07-08 20:03 <AliciaRaven> aw i missed this weeks test
2014-07-08 20:12 <Dev_Random> nebadon: Kayaker and I both had a similar issue at that test.  "Phantom" attachments.  My helmet rezzed on my head as usual, but a duplicate showed in front of me (only on my viewer).. It was stationary, but had a "detach" option (that did nothing).  Kayaker had a sandal that did the same.
2014-07-08 20:16 <Melanie_> H-H-H: type bt<enter>, type info threads<enter>, type print data<enter>
2014-07-08 20:16 <Melanie_> H-H-H: if the last one does not cause an error also type print *data<enter>
2014-07-08 20:17 <Melanie_> pastebin the results
2014-07-08 20:18 <H-H-H> ok i will need to re run it
2014-07-08 20:23 <H-H-H> Melanie_ http://pastebin.com/L05PjBxG
2014-07-08 20:30 <lkalif> wow is brazil getting pummeled
2014-07-08 20:31 <lkalif> 0 - 5 against germany in first half an hour. this doesn't happen
2014-07-08 20:32 <nebadon> man the llTargetOmega not working on child prims is a bummer
2014-07-08 20:32 <nebadon> im going to have to totally redesign my vendors to not be linked
2014-07-08 20:32 <nebadon> what a pain in the ass that is
2014-07-08 20:32 <lkalif> non physical one?
2014-07-08 20:33 <nebadon> currently they dont work if i unlink it
2014-07-08 20:33 <nebadon> ya i have NPC vendors
2014-07-08 20:33 <nebadon> that model the cloths the vendor dispenses
2014-07-08 20:33 <nebadon> you click it an a NPC rezzes
2014-07-08 20:33 <nebadon> it should be spinning in T-Pose
2014-07-08 20:33 <nebadon> it used to work due to a bug in opensim
2014-07-08 20:33 <nebadon> putting that bug back would break regular functions
2014-07-08 20:33 <lkalif> make the posestand separate prim
2014-07-08 20:34 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-08 20:34 <nebadon> thats what I need to do
2014-07-08 20:34 <nebadon> its like 50 vendors though
2014-07-08 20:34 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-08 20:34 <nebadon> pain in the ass
2014-07-08 20:34 <nebadon> whats worse is all the NPCs are backwards
2014-07-08 20:34 <nebadon> had they been facing forward I probably wouldnt have cared as much
2014-07-08 20:35 <nebadon> either way im doing a lot of fixing
2014-07-08 20:35 <lkalif> well tudning prim around takes like 5 sec
2014-07-08 20:35 <nebadon> ya if im touching them all though i might as well do it right
2014-07-08 20:36 <nebadon> its part of Universal Campus i will be distributing it
2014-07-08 20:36 <nebadon> im redoing the entire thing in Mesh anywa
2014-07-08 20:36 <nebadon> virtually every prim is going to be replaced
2014-07-08 20:41 <frnic> Too bad you are not using an autoupdate script in them, Neb, then you could push an update that rotated things and did all that manual stuff for yhou, then push another update to clean up the fix it code.
2014-07-08 20:41 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-08 20:41 <frnic> I do that on occassion when I have a lot of things to "fix"
2014-07-08 20:41 <nebadon> i might end up just completely redesigning the vendors anyway
2014-07-08 20:41 <nebadon> use mesh
2014-07-08 20:42 <nebadon> that its just 1 single objects, the vendor and the pose pad
2014-07-08 20:42 <nebadon> having them unlinked poses problems though
2014-07-08 20:42 <frnic> I have been saying for years that it is time to learn blender - lol - maybe someday
2014-07-08 20:42 <nebadon> about proximity
2014-07-08 20:42 <nebadon> i need to think about how to do that
2014-07-08 20:42 <nebadon> without having to make each pad unique
2014-07-08 20:43 <nebadon> shame llTargetOmega wont let you spin just the root prim
2014-07-08 20:43 <nebadon> and not the entire object
2014-07-08 20:43 <nebadon> that would solve all my problems
2014-07-08 20:44 <frnic> I made posing models for my vendors back in SL ages ago - I was using a bot from Germany, forgot the name. Anyway, I had them doing modeling like poses and standing alone - there was an invisible prim around them that detected a customer approaching and sent ims to the bot to tell her/him what to wear etc based on the customers choices.
2014-07-08 20:45 <frnic> I always wanted to add a chat analyser to let them chat with the customer instead fo clicking menus - never got around to it.
2014-07-08 20:46 <dahlia> I had camping bots that played tiny empires while they camped :)
2014-07-08 20:47 <dahlia> and they were brutally competitive at getting the high paying chairs :D
2014-07-08 20:47 <frnic> They did greet the customers by name and gave them a sales pitch about the jewelry in chat, but that was all canned and based on button clicks.
2014-07-08 20:47 <frnic> dahlia, the bots I used were popular for camping also - I can't recall the names, it was a commerical bot, and I used them here in OS for a couple years, but always had trouble getting them to sit right here.
2014-07-08 20:48 <dahlia> oh I wrote my own using libomv
2014-07-08 20:48 <dahlia> errr.. libsecondlife ;)
2014-07-08 20:48 <frnic> ah, it was pikkubot
2014-07-08 20:48 <frnic> http://www.pikkubot.de/dokuwiki/doku.php
2014-07-08 20:48 <nebadon> ya pikkubot was very popular in SL
2014-07-08 20:48 <frnic> they are still cranking out changes - lol
2014-07-08 20:49 <frnic> I think I had a 25 or 50 seat license
2014-07-08 20:49 <vegaslon> why not just spin the avatar instead of the stand
2014-07-08 20:49 <lkalif> it would seem that a lot of people run Radegast for some sort of bot operations
2014-07-08 20:49 <nebadon> wouldnt that be physics though?
2014-07-08 20:49 <frnic> I would prefer model poses to spinning a t-pose.
2014-07-08 20:49 <nebadon> i want them to be low impact
2014-07-08 20:49 <nebadon> rather they be phantom
2014-07-08 20:50 <vegaslon> no if they are sitting
2014-07-08 20:50 <dahlia> I had a bot dance troupe who would entertain people while waiting for payballs to pay off
2014-07-08 20:50 <nebadon> how do you do that?
2014-07-08 20:50 <lkalif> The usage has been going up a lot. Radegast is currently about 2% of SL usage
2014-07-08 20:50 <vegaslon> I am going to see if you can set linkedtargetomega on a avatar
2014-07-08 20:50 <nebadon> have some sample code?
2014-07-08 20:50 <nebadon> ah that would be great vegaslon, thanks
2014-07-08 20:51 <lkalif> Don't NPCs play animations when seated?
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2014-07-08 21:09 <smxy> lkalif: thanks for figuring out that gtp wprkaround (open/close map).
2014-07-08 21:10 <smxy> workaround*
2014-07-08 21:10 <lkalif> to me the same thing happens with firestorm
2014-07-08 21:10 <smxy> Do you know what the root problem is yet?
2014-07-08 21:10 <lkalif> no, watching world cup :P
2014-07-08 21:10 <smxy> Ah :)
2014-07-08 21:10 <lkalif> History is being made
2014-07-08 21:11 <smxy> I don't even know who's playing.
2014-07-08 21:11 <lkalif> Brazil - Germany, semi-finals
2014-07-08 21:11 <lkalif> Brazil is getting a spanking, 0 - 5
2014-07-08 21:11 <smxy> ouch
2014-07-08 21:26 <lkalif> 6 - 0
2014-07-08 21:30 <lkalif> OSCC begins load testing, extends proposal deadline http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2014/07/oscc-begins-load-testing-extends-proposal-deadline/
2014-07-08 21:35 <nebadon> nice
2014-07-08 21:35 <nebadon> hopefully we can get 60+ next week
2014-07-08 21:35 <nebadon> I think we hit 32 today or something like that
2014-07-08 21:35 <nebadon> had 46 last week
2014-07-08 21:35 <nebadon> Summer is always hard
2014-07-08 21:36 <lkalif> 7 - 0
2014-07-08 21:37 <lkalif> twitter is having a blast lol https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsDReNMCUAAbZnp.jpg:large
2014-07-08 21:41 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-08 21:49 <lkalif> and so it ends, 7 - 1
2014-07-08 22:07 <smxy> At least they got a point.
2014-07-08 22:08 <dahlia> wasnt it germany who had the coach that didnt think they would win?
2014-07-08 22:08 <lkalif> dahlia: that was USA
2014-07-08 22:09 <lkalif> your coach was german too
2014-07-08 22:09 <dahlia> oh
2014-07-08 22:09 <lkalif> he did a good job
2014-07-08 22:09 <dahlia> I didnt watch, dont have a tv and dont see good enough to watch sports anyway
2014-07-08 22:13 <vegaslon> nebadon : I just dropped you a example of what you could do
2014-07-08 22:13 <nebadon> ok, on OSgrid?
2014-07-08 22:20 <nebadon> anyway to smooth out the rotation like llTargetOmega vegaslon?
2014-07-08 22:21 <Melanie_> theoretically, allowing Link Omega on NPC children is not impossible, i believe
2014-07-08 22:21 <Melanie_> unlike parenting to the prim they are on, that should also be nondisruptive
2014-07-08 22:21 <Melanie_> that change could be worthwhile even if all it is is a gag
2014-07-08 22:24 <dahlia> most of the best effects in 3d are all gags anyway
2014-07-08 22:25 <nebadon> we need OSSL, osTargetOmegaChild
2014-07-08 22:26 <vegaslon> ya the only way to smooth it out is a shorter timer or a loop
2014-07-08 22:26 <dahlia> what are you trying to do?
2014-07-08 22:27 <lkalif> he's building a vendor where a npc is posing on a prim that rotates so people can see avatar from all sides
2014-07-08 22:27 <nebadon> well I built it years ago
2014-07-08 22:27 <nebadon> when the bug existed still :P
2014-07-08 22:27 <dahlia> whats the problem?
2014-07-08 22:28 <nebadon> avatars to not bind to a lltargetomega prim if its a child in linkset
2014-07-08 22:28 <nebadon> it used to
2014-07-08 22:28 <nebadon> do not bind*
2014-07-08 22:28 <dahlia> avatars are children of the root
2014-07-08 22:28 <lkalif> technically avatas sit on the root always
2014-07-08 22:28 <nebadon> right but previously if you sat on a child prim in a linkset that had lltargetomega
2014-07-08 22:28 <nebadon> the avatar would spin with that prim
2014-07-08 22:28 <lkalif> that was a bug
2014-07-08 22:29 <nebadon> since we fixed some of the avatar position in linkset issues that stopped
2014-07-08 22:29 <nebadon> ya i unwittingly relied on a bug
2014-07-08 22:29 <Melanie_> because of a lapse in understanding back in the days, avatars in opensim used to link to the prim they were actually on
2014-07-08 22:29 <nebadon> not realizing it wasnt proper behavior
2014-07-08 22:29 <dahlia> why not just have a single invisible prim that the avie sits on?
2014-07-08 22:29 <Melanie_> that caused problems with camera directions, vehicles, etc.
2014-07-08 22:29 <lkalif> nebadon: you can fix this in many ways 
2014-07-08 22:29 <lkalif> dahlia: he's lazy :P
2014-07-08 22:29 <nebadon> ya i could its just nice to have everything in 1 linkset
2014-07-08 22:29 <lkalif> (also has 50 of these vendors to fix)
2014-07-08 22:29 <Melanie_> when parenting was fixed to be like SL, that fixed all these issues
2014-07-08 22:30 <nebadon> i dont like coalesced objects
2014-07-08 22:30 <Melanie_> and by that, broke the unintended feature os spinning avatars
2014-07-08 22:30 <nebadon> its easy to mess them up
2014-07-08 22:30 <dahlia> sitting avatars are children of the root in SL also
2014-07-08 22:30 <nebadon> right
2014-07-08 22:30 <nebadon> not realizing it didnt workin SL either until today
2014-07-08 22:30 <nebadon> when i went there to check the behavior there
2014-07-08 22:31 <nebadon> I havent looked at these vendors in a long time
2014-07-08 22:31 <nebadon> I am upgrading Universal Campus to a 2.0 version all mesh and var
2014-07-08 22:32 <dahlia> make a single prim. Doing anything else just makes it really difficult for anyone who ever tries to make a non-LL based viewer should they ever try to do so in the future
2014-07-08 22:32 <nebadon> so i'll probably rebuilt the vendors anyway
2014-07-08 22:32 <nebadon> i cant do lltarget omega if its a single prim
2014-07-08 22:32 <nebadon> otherwise the entire vendor spins
2014-07-08 22:32 <nebadon> having multie part non linked vendors is a nightmare
2014-07-08 22:33 <dahlia> have the vendor rez a single prim for the avie to sit on, then delete it when they stand. Just like the sex beds do
2014-07-08 22:33 <nebadon> makes it hard to move them around
2014-07-08 22:33 <nebadon> hmm
2014-07-08 22:33 <nebadon> ya i guess thats an idea
2014-07-08 22:33 <dahlia> aka a poseball
2014-07-08 22:33 <nebadon> nice thinking
2014-07-08 22:33 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-08 22:33 <nebadon> forgot about that
2014-07-08 22:33 <nebadon> while were on this topic
2014-07-08 22:34 <nebadon> i need something for OSCC
2014-07-08 22:34 <nebadon> a camera position script for our stream team
2014-07-08 22:34 <nebadon> so they can have a hud they can click icons to move camera to pre-determined positions and rotations
2014-07-08 22:34 <nebadon> so if anyone has anything or is willing to write it please let me know
2014-07-08 22:34 <dahlia> hmmm I made one in SL long ago, dunno if it would work in opensim
2014-07-08 22:35 <dahlia> was for shakespeare plays, so director could control the audience cameras
2014-07-08 22:35 <nebadon> nice
2014-07-08 22:35 <nebadon> that is exactly what we need
2014-07-08 22:35 <nebadon> but each camera man would have their own control
2014-07-08 22:35 <dahlia> remind me to look for it 
2014-07-08 22:36 <nebadon> cool thanks I will
2014-07-08 22:38 <vegaslon> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Yumi_Murakami/Bijocam_And_Other_Camera_Scripts
2014-07-08 22:40 <dahlia> thats kinda different than mine; mine took camera control when you sat in a chair and a director chose where your camera points
2014-07-08 22:41 <vegaslon> has a seat based one as well
2014-07-08 22:41 <nebadon> nice, I already have the Camera mesh
2014-07-09 00:11 <osmantis> Bug #7229:04 Teleport from Var to normal sim, both with latest dev master and Viewer locks up about 10-15 secs after TP completes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7229 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-09 00:14 <nebadon> ive been experiencing #7229 myself
2014-07-09 00:14 <smxy> I've not seen it once.
2014-07-09 00:15 <smxy> Very odd.
2014-07-09 00:15 <osmantis> Bug #7229:04 Teleport from Var to normal sim, both with latest dev master and Viewer locks up about 10-15 secs after TP completes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7229 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2014-07-09 00:15 <lkalif> I've noticed "waiting for handshake" part taking unusually long lately
2014-07-09 00:15 <smxy> THAT I've seen.
2014-07-09 00:16 <lkalif> part of the login process I mean
2014-07-09 00:16 <smxy> But only now and then.
2014-07-09 00:16 <smxy> yes
2014-07-09 00:16 <smxy> The second attempt generally works.
2014-07-09 00:16 <smxy> If the first hangs.
2014-07-09 00:17 <lkalif> anyone played with firestorm's new export / import stuff?
2014-07-09 00:17 <lkalif> well "new", it's about half a year long
2014-07-09 00:24 <nebadon> I have not, i rarely use firestorm though
2014-07-09 00:35 <osmantis> Bug #7229:04 Teleport from Var to normal sim, both with latest dev master and Viewer locks up about 10-15 secs after TP completes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7229 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-09 01:05 <osmantis> Bug #7229:04 Teleport from Var to normal sim, both with latest dev master and Viewer locks up about 10-15 secs after TP completes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7229 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-09 01:20 <lkalif> wow, I think windows VM running my osgrid regions just got hacked
2014-07-09 01:28 <Dev_Random> it was probably Melanie_
2014-07-09 01:28 <Dev_Random> (lol, btw)
2014-07-09 01:41 <dahlia> lkalif: we want details 
2014-07-09 01:44 <lkalif> someone broke in from an IP in sweeden
2014-07-09 01:45 <lkalif> I'm trying to determine how
2014-07-09 01:45 <lkalif> could be a bot, was on for less than a minute looking for BitCoin wallets
2014-07-09 01:47 <lkalif> I see this search box popup http://i.imgur.com/YM4yECa.png
2014-07-09 01:47 <lkalif> and my password get changed
2014-07-09 01:54 <dahlia> you changed it? or the bot did?
2014-07-09 01:54 <lkalif> the bot did
2014-07-09 01:55 <dahlia> so it knew your old one?
2014-07-09 01:55 <Melanie_> wow i didn't know i was that good
2014-07-09 01:55 <Melanie_> :P
2014-07-09 01:55 <lkalif> ýou are not a suspect for that exact reason :P
2014-07-09 01:55 <dahlia> o.0
2014-07-09 01:56 <dahlia> 
ACTION prepares some popcorn just in case a fight breaks out....

2014-07-09 01:56 <Melanie_> 
ACTION never claimed to be a black hat

2014-07-09 01:56 <lkalif> this was a breach specifically looking for bitcoin stuff
2014-07-09 01:56 <dahlia> ya but it knew your password?
2014-07-09 01:57 <lkalif> I'm trying to determine that
2014-07-09 01:57 <dahlia> or maybe a rdp vulnerability?
2014-07-09 01:57 <AllenKerensky> probably jumped through a privilege elevation exploit
2014-07-09 01:57 <lkalif> actually it looks they broke into my Linux machine first
2014-07-09 01:57 <AllenKerensky> MS Patch Tuesday will probably have some deeply buried reference to a new one that they have been sitting on for a few months and finally patched because its in the wild nopw
2014-07-09 01:58 <lkalif> I'm just emergency chaning my password on all servers and ssh keys
2014-07-09 01:58 <dahlia> how can you tell they got into your linux box?
2014-07-09 01:58 <lkalif> with the network shutdown
2014-07-09 02:00 <dahlia> changing your windows password seems kinda dumb id think
2014-07-09 02:00 <dahlia> if you cant get in then it needs fixing which could expose the hack
2014-07-09 02:00 <lkalif> last -a
2014-07-09 02:01 <lkalif> ek       pts/5        Wed Jul  9 02:28 - 02:30  (00:02)     cust-95-80-46-219.csbnet.se
2014-07-09 02:01 <lkalif> ek       pts/5        Wed Jul  9 02:51   still logged in    cust-95-80-46-219.csbnet.se
2014-07-09 02:01 <AllenKerensky> if they got in via linux first, you can check if openssl or gnutls need to be updated - there have been 3 vulnerabilities in those since april
2014-07-09 02:02 <lkalif> it says they're still logged in, but I shut down my network
2014-07-09 02:02 <lkalif> chatting from laptop via 3G
2014-07-09 02:03 <lkalif> 
ACTION operates in airgap mode now

2014-07-09 02:03 <dahlia> oh this is a machine on your home net?
2014-07-09 02:03 <lkalif> it's my gateway / firewall machine
2014-07-09 02:03 <dahlia> oh
2014-07-09 02:04 <dahlia> I gave up using linux for gateway/firewall years ago
2014-07-09 02:04 <dahlia> when I found adore rootkit on the box I was using
2014-07-09 02:06 <lkalif> ok, they got root somehow
2014-07-09 02:07 <dahlia> wipe that box
2014-07-09 02:07 <lkalif> Jul  9 02:27:05 latif useradd[9515]: new user: name=ekk, UID=1005, GID=1005, home=/home/ekk, shell=/bin/bash
2014-07-09 02:07 <AllenKerensky> yeah that's a bit of a smoking gun
2014-07-09 02:08 <lkalif> Jul  9 02:20:49 latif su[9264]: Successful su for root by www-data
2014-07-09 02:08 <lkalif> they got in via apache
2014-07-09 02:08 <dahlia> o.0
2014-07-09 02:08 <AllenKerensky> no kidding O.O
2014-07-09 02:08 <dahlia> www-data is in su users group?
2014-07-09 02:09 <dahlia> err sudoers or whatever it it
2014-07-09 02:09 <AllenKerensky> i think you're thinking of sudo
2014-07-09 02:09 <AllenKerensky> su is the original switch user - it doesn't check sudoers - it just compares password entries
2014-07-09 02:09 <dahlia> ya
2014-07-09 02:10 <AllenKerensky> does www-data have a valid shell? that's weird
2014-07-09 02:10 <dahlia> what file has the su log?
2014-07-09 02:10 <AllenKerensky> /var/log/sulog on some
2014-07-09 02:11 <AllenKerensky> /var/log/secure on some
2014-07-09 02:11 <AllenKerensky> depends on your flavor
2014-07-09 02:11 <dahlia> debian/ubuntu
2014-07-09 02:11 <dahlia> dont see either
2014-07-09 02:11 <lkalif> /var/log/auth.log
2014-07-09 02:12 <AllenKerensky> and if they aren't cleaning logs - last command can show history
2014-07-09 02:12 <lkalif> they did not delete bash_history
2014-07-09 02:13 <dahlia> oooou
2014-07-09 02:13 <dahlia> sounds like they didnt even try to hide their tracks
2014-07-09 02:13 <lkalif> id
2014-07-09 02:13 <lkalif> ps aux | grep bitcoin
2014-07-09 02:13 <lkalif> ls -la
2014-07-09 02:13 <lkalif> cat .bash_history
2014-07-09 02:13 <lkalif> exit
2014-07-09 02:13 <dahlia> well I see a few failed attempts in my auth.log
2014-07-09 02:14 <Abitar> Depends on your site, you can get lots of people knocking at your doors :)
2014-07-09 02:16 <dahlia> not many
2014-07-09 02:16 <AllenKerensky> oh good gravy yes - especially SSH ports - every few hours I get a span of brute forcers - denyhosts helps with those
2014-07-09 02:16 <AllenKerensky> and having your SSH permitrootlogin no, and set to only use keys/certificates rather than passwords
2014-07-09 02:16 <lkalif> so they broke in via apache somehow
2014-07-09 02:16 <lkalif> created user "ekk"
2014-07-09 02:16 <lkalif> then I see:
2014-07-09 02:16 <lkalif>  /var/log/auth.log:Jul  9 02:27:17 latif sshd[9528]: Accepted password for ekk from 95.80.46.219 port 59821 ssh2
2014-07-09 02:17 <dahlia> ya I have no root and require key
2014-07-09 02:17 <AllenKerensky> however, there is a REALLY good way to audit your basic security for many OS and devices - use the benchmark checklists at cisecurity.org
2014-07-09 02:17 <dahlia> oooou an ip
2014-07-09 02:17 <dahlia> prolly a proxy
2014-07-09 02:17 <dahlia> unless they are really dumb lol
2014-07-09 02:17 <AllenKerensky> this kid isn't covering his log tracks - why proxy
2014-07-09 02:17 <Abitar> Yeap, we set up failed auths to to block the site with the firewall
2014-07-09 02:18 <dahlia> hack him back :P
2014-07-09 02:18 <Abitar> BEcause he just set you up as a hop in his chain to where ever
2014-07-09 02:19 <nebadon> this was on your desktop lkalif?
2014-07-09 02:19 <dahlia> firewall box
2014-07-09 02:19 <nebadon> ah, that is scary
2014-07-09 02:20 <dahlia> well he got into both linux host and windows vm so he must have known some passwords
2014-07-09 02:20 <dahlia> unless they were both the same
2014-07-09 02:21 <dahlia> 
ACTION blames the cat...

2014-07-09 02:21 <AllenKerensky> gremlins
2014-07-09 02:21 <lkalif> he changed my password
2014-07-09 02:21 <lkalif> he got root via apache somehow
2014-07-09 02:21 <dahlia> ya but you need old to change it
2014-07-09 02:21 <lkalif> then chenged my pass
2014-07-09 02:21 <nebadon> what version of apache?
2014-07-09 02:21 <lkalif> not if you are root
2014-07-09 02:21 <dahlia> on windows
2014-07-09 02:21 <lkalif> this is up-to-date ubuntu 14.04
2014-07-09 02:22 <nebadon> ive had several windows boxes get hacked
2014-07-09 02:22 <nebadon> thats kind of why i stopped using it
2014-07-09 02:22 <nebadon> ah
2014-07-09 02:22 <dahlia> I dont think its too hard to get windows password if you can get into the box
2014-07-09 02:22 <nebadon> many of the times they got in through IIS
2014-07-09 02:24 <lkalif> heh I see
2014-07-09 02:24 <nebadon> first time i got hit was that code red thing, all your web pages said "hacked by chinese"
2014-07-09 02:24 <nebadon> long time ago
2014-07-09 02:24 <dahlia> question is why could apache escalate? even if he gets a shell it should still just be a dumb user
2014-07-09 02:24 <AllenKerensky> cisecurity.org has an apache benchmark and an assessment tool
2014-07-09 02:25 <nebadon> kind of scary someone could get root access via apache on a fully updated ubuntu machine
2014-07-09 02:25 <AllenKerensky> the su command allows ANYONE
2014-07-09 02:25 <Plugh> dahlia: What are you blaming the cat for? 
2014-07-09 02:25 <dahlia> Plugh: hacking lkalif
2014-07-09 02:25 <lkalif> so in /tmp there is sh.c
2014-07-09 02:25 <AllenKerensky> that was one of the reasons sudo was implemented to put better control around who 
2014-07-09 02:25 <lkalif> sh.c: int main() { setuid(0); setgid(0); system("/bin/bash"); }
2014-07-09 02:26 <dahlia> are you serious?
2014-07-09 02:26 <AllenKerensky> that's only part of it - that looks like a payload
2014-07-09 02:26 <lkalif> then I find
2014-07-09 02:26 <lkalif> dc.pl
2014-07-09 02:26 <AllenKerensky> the setuid0 would only work AFTER the exploit
2014-07-09 02:26 <lkalif> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=WEfKb5EC
2014-07-09 02:26 <lkalif> I'm going through apache log looking at what they're doing
2014-07-09 02:27 <lkalif> they're injecting those two files in /tmp
2014-07-09 02:27 <AllenKerensky> well, at least you know their toolkit 
2014-07-09 02:27 <lkalif> the perl script seems to be some server listener
2014-07-09 02:27 <lkalif> "Data Cha0s Connect Back Backdoor"
2014-07-09 02:28 <AllenKerensky> yeah so that was for them to get back in around your ingress filtering
2014-07-09 02:28 <AllenKerensky> but there is still some exploit they jumped through to elevate privilege
2014-07-09 02:29 <AllenKerensky> somehow related to www-data user
2014-07-09 02:29 <AllenKerensky> so, if that user has a valid shell - and changing it won't break some app you run - set that user to /bin/false or something
2014-07-09 02:29 <dahlia> I dont know perl but it looks like it connects a shell to a socket
2014-07-09 02:29 <AllenKerensky> and see if its home dir is /tmp
2014-07-09 02:30 <dahlia> there was definately something wrong with the apache installation if all this worked
2014-07-09 02:30 <dahlia> unless he had a password
2014-07-09 02:31 <AllenKerensky> well that's where an openssl exploit like heartbleed comes in
2014-07-09 02:31 <lkalif> ah, I see
2014-07-09 02:31 <AllenKerensky> just remotely tap on the openssl until you get good stuff from the buffer - then use that
2014-07-09 02:31 <lkalif> It used an out-of-date  Drupal instance 
2014-07-09 02:31 <AllenKerensky> oh noes
2014-07-09 02:31 <dahlia> AllenKerensky: assuming something good is in the buffer
2014-07-09 02:32 <smxy> You didn't keep your firewall uptodate? 
2014-07-09 02:32 <AllenKerensky> agreed dahlia - but since it was openssl's buffer... the likelihood was... "yep"
2014-07-09 02:32 <dahlia> ya but should still be a user-space buffer
2014-07-09 02:33 <lkalif> 95.80.46.219 - - [09/Jul/2014:00:38:39 +0200] "GET /content/?q=node/1&cmdf=ls%20-la%20|%20grep%20gny HTTP/1.1" 200 1698 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/35.0.1916.114 Safari/537.36"
2014-07-09 02:33 <AllenKerensky> https://xkcd.com/1354/
2014-07-09 02:33 <smxy> 
ACTION goes off to make sure he hasn't inserted his own foot in mouth ...

2014-07-09 02:33 <AllenKerensky> so, lkalif you may have your start time of the exploit - you can do a find -newer than that time and find EVERYTHING changed on the system since
2014-07-09 02:34 <AllenKerensky> you may be able to scrub off the idjit's mess rather than full wipe and reload
2014-07-09 02:34 <AllenKerensky> depending on how confident you are in the sleuthing
2014-07-09 02:34 <smxy> better to wipe and reload
2014-07-09 02:34 <lkalif> I see spew in all logs
2014-07-09 02:34 <lkalif> from postfix to apache to syslog
2014-07-09 02:34 <AllenKerensky> always better to dust off and nuke the site from orbit, just to be sure
2014-07-09 02:35 <dahlia> buy new disk, install new system, keep old one around for a memento :)
2014-07-09 02:35 <AllenKerensky> but if this was a known exploitable hole and you track down all the changes - you could boot from original media and do a package check of the OS-installed packages
2014-07-09 02:35 <AllenKerensky> that's another way to uncover the scale of a breach
2014-07-09 02:36 <AllenKerensky> because restore from backup assumes you can get a recent enough backup that wasn't ALSO compromised by a low and slow attack
2014-07-09 02:36 <dahlia> well I dont see any funnies in any of my logs... *phew*
2014-07-09 02:36 <dahlia> but I could have been hit by a smarter hacker :/
2014-07-09 02:37 <AllenKerensky> yeah looks like a good time to redo all my benchmark scans too
2014-07-09 02:37 <dahlia> although I dont have much honey in any of my servers
2014-07-09 02:37 <smxy> I've never had an undetected break-in. :)
2014-07-09 02:37 <AllenKerensky> yeah - if they are smart enough to be that invisible, and nice enough not to trash my system or keep me from using it - well nothing I can really do
2014-07-09 02:37 <dahlia> smxy: neither have I :D
2014-07-09 02:37 <AllenKerensky> if you couldn't detect a breakin how would you know you never had it?
2014-07-09 02:37 <smxy> :)
2014-07-09 02:37 <frnic> :)
2014-07-09 02:38 <AllenKerensky> 
ACTION wraps a towel around my head and mumbles "I'm invincible!"

2014-07-09 02:38 <lkalif> 
ACTION disables wan adapter and reboots to start with

2014-07-09 02:38 <smxy> Well, at least you're safe from the Bugblatter Beast of Tral. :)
2014-07-09 02:38 <AllenKerensky> sorry to hear you got a parasite in your drives, lkalif - never a fun day
2014-07-09 02:39 <lkalif> second step, nuke drupal from the orbit
2014-07-09 02:39 <dahlia> I'd think your laptop was infected too if they figured out your password and you had the same one
2014-07-09 02:40 <lkalif> they didn't figure out the passwprd
2014-07-09 02:40 <lkalif> they changed it
2014-07-09 02:40 <lkalif> once they got root
2014-07-09 02:40 <dahlia> on windows?
2014-07-09 02:40 <lkalif> I don't know the vm yet
2014-07-09 02:40 <Abitar> I got an question, is there a sample regions.xml file that should be used from a web server, The format I using now is the old format and it was pulled in .8  ?
2014-07-09 02:40 <lkalif> or hot they got into that
2014-07-09 02:41 <dahlia> Abitar: use the ini format
2014-07-09 02:41 <Abitar> It will read that from the web not the local filesysem?
2014-07-09 02:42 <dahlia> read from web? 
2014-07-09 02:42 <dahlia> dont think Ive used that feature, or even knew it existed
2014-07-09 02:42 <Abitar> Yeap, the simulator reads teh region data from a web server. 
2014-07-09 02:44 <Abitar> Much easyer to maintain 50+ regions that way :) 
2014-07-09 02:47 <smxy> Better would be some way to store all the config data in a DB and have the webserver pull it from there. Need a schema and a way to get it in though.
2014-07-09 02:48 <Abitar> I ahve it all setup now, just I was using hte old format for hte zml data and it was deoped in .8
2014-07-09 02:51 <Abitar> From waht i can tell its in the the Nini format but I modifing along the line of hte ini information for names and section name being the region name
2014-07-09 03:08 <lkalif> wow, this machine did not like been power cycled at all
2014-07-09 03:08 <lkalif> it's completely dead now
2014-07-09 03:11 <AllenKerensky> did your friend from .se leave you a going-away gift?
2014-07-09 03:12 <lkalif> it doesn't even show bios post screen
2014-07-09 03:31 <dahlia> maybe they tried to leave you with a special "get your OS from here" bios?
2014-07-09 03:45 <osmantis> Bug #7257:04 scripts do not compile 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7257 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-09 06:10 <lkalif> ok, I think I got it under control
2014-07-09 06:25 <dahlia> lkalif: so what happened?
2014-07-09 06:26 <lkalif> they used an exploit in the old version of Drupal web app I had running
2014-07-09 06:27 <lkalif> I don't know which privelege escalation method exactly they used to obtain root from the apache users
2014-07-09 06:27 <lkalif> once they had root, they created a new user with sudo privileges
2014-07-09 06:27 <lkalif> used ssh to login with that user with X forwarding
2014-07-09 06:27 <lkalif> and started X desktop remotely
2014-07-09 06:27 <dahlia> ah so not a bot then
2014-07-09 06:28 <lkalif> (this is how they got into windows vm, it was already running)
2014-07-09 06:28 <lkalif> it was a bot that broke in
2014-07-09 06:28 <lkalif> but it was an actual person who got later on
2014-07-09 06:28 <lkalif> they grepped bash history to see where I was ssh to
2014-07-09 06:28 <lkalif> and tried to login to those boxes as well
2014-07-09 06:29 <dahlia> they get in?
2014-07-09 06:29 <lkalif> they got into one that used ssh keys with no passphrase
2014-07-09 06:29 <lkalif> but that login lasted only 30 sec
2014-07-09 06:30 <lkalif> all they did there was
2014-07-09 06:30 <lkalif> ps aux | grep bitcoin
2014-07-09 06:30 <dahlia> heh
2014-07-09 06:30 <lkalif> on the windows vm as well, looking for bitcoin installs
2014-07-09 06:31 <dahlia> so you probably know geolocation of the ip they ssh'd from?
2014-07-09 06:31 <lkalif> I hand diffed /etc from backup
2014-07-09 06:31 <lkalif> nothing was changed
2014-07-09 06:31 <lkalif> except this new user that was added
2014-07-09 06:32 <lkalif> dahlia: it's a college dorm in götenburg, sweden
2014-07-09 06:32 <dahlia> heh
2014-07-09 06:33 <dahlia> hmm... they have college during summer in sweden?
2014-07-09 06:33 <lkalif> people live in the dorms typically all year round
2014-07-09 06:34 <dahlia> usually in US they boot them out when term ends
2014-07-09 06:34 <lkalif> around here you keep your room while the education is ongoing
2014-07-09 06:34 <lkalif> so you can live 3-4 years in the same place
2014-07-09 06:35 <dahlia> well they have summer terms in US but far fewer students
2014-07-09 06:36 <dahlia> so you had your excitement for the day :)
2014-07-09 06:36 <lkalif> lol
2014-07-09 06:36 <lkalif> i'm installing ssh honeypot now
2014-07-09 06:36 <dahlia> haha
2014-07-09 06:36 <lkalif> kippo
2014-07-09 06:37 <lkalif> it makes them think they logged in successfully
2014-07-09 06:37 <lkalif> and logs the commands they try to do
2014-07-09 06:37 <lkalif> if they try to wget some hax0r toolkit it saves it lol
2014-07-09 06:37 <lkalif> so you can inspect it later
2014-07-09 06:37 <dahlia> they will probably know when that account they made fails
2014-07-09 06:53 <dahlia> hmmm.... wouldnt a linux bitcoin program be called something like "wallet" or "mine" ?
2014-07-09 06:53 <lkalif> I have no idea
2014-07-09 06:53 <dahlia> maybe looking for "bitcoin" is a diversion?
2014-07-09 06:54 <lkalif> I doubt it, they made no effort at covering up their tracks
2014-07-09 06:55 <dahlia> ya maybe
2014-07-09 06:56 <dahlia> well if it were me I'd put a new drive in and install a new os. But.. you always like to say I'm paranoid :P
2014-07-09 07:10 <dahlia> ok I guess bitcoin might be a real program http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man1/bitcoind.1.html
2014-07-09 07:14 <dahlia> 
ACTION sighs... "Where else but Berkeley" http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/07/02/berkeley-plans-to-provide-free-weed-for-low-income-patients-marijuana-pot-collectives-dispensaries/

2014-07-09 07:15 <lkalif> I should move there lol
2014-07-09 07:17 <dahlia> Berkeley is about as far as you can get from Texas :P
2014-07-09 07:19 <antont> lkalif: you could also give the ip to the police.. though they probably have better things to do
2014-07-09 07:20 <antont> ailin sitä ite ja hyvältä näytti vaan tuoss exclude logiikassa joku kusee.
2014-07-09 07:20 <antont> whops sorry
2014-07-09 07:20 <dahlia> antont: it could be a proxy address
2014-07-09 07:20 <antont> true probably there is a nat for the whole dorm or something
2014-07-09 07:21 <antont> but the admins of the net there might be able to check still who it was etc
2014-07-09 07:21 <dahlia> well maybe someone there is hacked and would like to know about it
2014-07-09 07:21 <antont> good point
2014-07-09 07:22 <lkalif> there is a contact email there, i will write to them
2014-07-09 07:22 <dahlia> the admin might be the hacker lol
2014-07-09 07:23 <dahlia> "OK thanks. We'll take care of it!"
2014-07-09 07:24 <lkalif> github makes it hard to find where to change the password lol
2014-07-09 07:26 <lkalif> 
ACTION is changing ssh keys everywhere

2014-07-09 07:27 <dahlia> I'd hate to lose my keys... they're in a lot of places I havent used for years
2014-07-09 07:27 <lkalif> does't look like they uploaded anything from my computer
2014-07-09 07:27 <lkalif> but...
2014-07-09 07:28 <lkalif> you never know, so I'm chaning them
2014-07-09 14:53 <Abitar> I have a question, what is the format of the web xml for regionload_webserver_url now, had a patch not long ago removing the old format, I am unable to find the new format and my atempts at guess at it are failing. 
2014-07-09 15:00 <nebadon> Melanie_ probably best person to ask 
2014-07-09 15:00 <nebadon> I don't know anyone else using web xml at this point
2014-07-09 15:19 <Abitar> Ill have to cach soemtime it hold me from updating to 0.8.0  :( 
2014-07-09 15:22 <nebadon> ya Abitar i saw your email just now
2014-07-09 15:23 <Abitar> hard to maintain more then just a few sims with static region data. 
2014-07-09 15:23 <nebadon> you do not need to be setting the SizeX/Y/Z if your just doing 256m regions
2014-07-09 15:23 <nebadon> also Z does nothing
2014-07-09 15:23 <Abitar> I figure you would :) 
2014-07-09 15:24 <nebadon> are you getting any specific error when starting sim?
2014-07-09 15:24 <Abitar> yeah i know, I added it back when i first tested vararegions 
2014-07-09 15:24 <Abitar> yeap let me paste it: 
2014-07-09 15:25 <Abitar> 2014-07-09 07:49:42,454 DEBUG - OpenSim.Framework.RegionLoader.Web.RegionLoaderWebServer [WEBLOADER]: Done downloading region information from server. Total Bytes: 640
2014-07-09 15:25 <Abitar> 2014-07-09 07:49:42,454 ERROR - OpenSim.Framework.RegionLoader.Web.RegionLoaderWebServer [WEBLOADER]: No region configs were available.
2014-07-09 15:26 <Abitar> I think it might do with the section name but I cant find any reference to a name of any sorts
2014-07-09 15:29 <diva> Abitar, according to git log, the only change was from "Regions" to "Nini". Nothing else changed.
2014-07-09 15:31 <Abitar> More then that changed tho, the old keys are not present anymore. 
2014-07-09 15:31 <SammyG3> (is not a developer) but knows that if you add sizez=256 to region ini, it does produce an error. (if that has anything to do with this)
2014-07-09 15:34 <nebadon> thats kind of Surprising SammyG3
2014-07-09 15:34 <nebadon> SizeZ literally has no functionality
2014-07-09 15:34 <nebadon> it should never have been put into any configs
2014-07-09 15:36 <SammyG3> I havnt tried it, but helped someone troubleshoot setting up a varrible region and they had add that in.  Opensim wouldnt even start according to them, till it was removed.
2014-07-09 15:36 <Abitar> Most cases anyhting extra does not cuase errors just gets ignored. 
2014-07-09 15:41 <Abitar> I had it in from testing vararegions a couple month ago.   
2014-07-09 16:07 <Melanie_> Abitar: See mailing list
2014-07-09 16:10 <Abitar> OK :)
2014-07-09 16:11 <Abitar> I found I have a nother issue that not related to the config, and only thing i forgot to put in is alternate port.  
2014-07-09 16:12 <Abitar> Well it relatede to the config but i not sure hwat it is yet :) I can get it loading with one sim but another one not loading it hehe 
2014-07-09 16:13 <Melanie_> you need to have the outer <nini> enclose all the sims
2014-07-09 16:13 <Melanie_> don't repeat <nini>
2014-07-09 16:13 <Melanie_> make sure you use different ports
2014-07-09 16:14 <Abitar> I understand the format, we only have 1 region per sim but i left in supoort so we can host more then one region per sim. 
2014-07-09 16:16 <Abitar> Thanks Melanie for the help. 
2014-07-09 16:18 <Abitar> What the use you use the scope id for? 
2014-07-09 16:19 <Melanie_> multigrid hosting in one database
2014-07-09 16:19 <Melanie_> it determines which grid map the sim is a part of
2014-07-09 16:19 <Melanie_> you can omit it or set to all zeroes
2014-07-09 16:19 <Abitar> Ah that a good use for it :)  
2014-07-09 16:20 <nebadon> so it started up now Abitar? it was the var stuff?
2014-07-09 16:20 <nebadon> melanie do you think you can wire in VarRegion variables to xml? since you know it better than anyone?
2014-07-09 16:20 <Abitar> YEah I can get a sim started up, with only adding the alternate port flag in it :) other wise it prompt me for it 
2014-07-09 16:21 <Abitar> the vara sim parts are still in it 
2014-07-09 16:21 <nebadon> ah ok
2014-07-09 16:21 <nebadon> thats good, hopefully it works
2014-07-09 16:21 <nebadon> have you tested that yet with web loading?
2014-07-09 16:22 <Abitar> yes it working now on a test sim, I trying to track where it broke on the grid sim now :) 
2014-07-09 16:22 <Abitar> Its in the magic of loading hte sim someplace :) 
2014-07-09 17:09 <lkalif> I forgot to copy my Regions.ini before I nuked the VM that got hacked yesterday :(
2014-07-09 17:54 <danbanner> lkalif: if it was an osgrid sim you can look up the uuid 
2014-07-09 17:54 <danbanner> just login to the website
2014-07-09 17:54 <danbanner> look under your profile
2014-07-09 18:24 <smxy> lkalif: No backups? Tsk, tsk.
2014-07-09 19:30 <NickyP> H-H-H: Hi, I was following the troubleshooting of your viewer crash on other than osgid. Did you solve it? I have a similar issue with Kokua. 
2014-07-09 19:31 <H-H-H> no but singu devs claim to have
2014-07-09 19:32 <H-H-H> and apparently the fix will be in next alpha releas
2014-07-09 19:32 <NickyP> kk thanks
2014-07-09 19:32 <H-H-H> however i am yet to see it hit thier git repos :)
2014-07-09 19:32 <H-H-H> and it did happen on osgrid too i just wasnt trying hard enough lol
2014-07-09 19:35 <NickyP> I have never had it on osgrid, 3RG, jOpenSimWorld, and on a couple grids that crash and that allow HG I can HG teleport into the grid and all is ok.
2014-07-09 19:36 <NickyP> Kitely I crash on normal login but HG in and all is fine.
2014-07-09 19:37 <H-H-H> :)
2014-07-09 20:41 <osmantis> Bug #7258:04 Offline Hypergrid friend or server generate .net errors on console. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7258 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-09 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #7258:04 Offline Hypergrid friend or server generate .net errors on console. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7258 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-09 20:46 <osmantis> Bug #7258:04 Offline Hypergrid friend or server generate .net errors on console. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7258 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-09 20:47 <osmantis> Bug #7258:04 Offline Hypergrid friend or server generate .net errors on console. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7258 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-07-09 21:14 <Plugh> I'm trying to run Robust from 076PF under Linux using mono I compiled from the mono-3.4.0-branch. When I try to login to a region I get [LLUDPSERVER] Received a CompleteAgentMovement from <my machines IP> in <name of region> but no client exists yet.
2014-07-09 21:14 <Plugh> That shows up about 25 or so times.
2014-07-09 21:17 <Plugh> It finally says -> No client found for CompleteAgentMovement from <my machines IP> in <name of region> after wait.   Dropping.
2014-07-09 21:17 <Plugh> and the viewer is stuck trying to login.
2014-07-09 21:17 <Plugh> Viewer is stuck at Connecting to region...
2014-07-09 21:19 <nebadon> usually a firewall issue
2014-07-09 21:20 <nebadon> maybe forgot udp?
2014-07-09 21:21 <Plugh> No firewall
2014-07-09 21:21 <Plugh> besides, Robust is running on the same machine as the database and web server.
2014-07-09 21:22 <nebadon> its more for viewer to region
2014-07-09 21:22 <nebadon> UDP
2014-07-09 21:22 <nebadon> robust is all TCP
2014-07-09 21:22 <nebadon> this sounds like either firewall or network issue to me
2014-07-09 21:23 <nebadon> no iptables or anything?
2014-07-09 21:24 <Plugh> I logged in once to the test region to discover groups was down but that was a bad URL. Having fixed it I can't login again.
2014-07-09 21:24 <Plugh> nope.
2014-07-09 21:24 <Plugh> Windows firewall is off.
2014-07-09 21:24 <nebadon> hmm you mean for client?
2014-07-09 21:24 <Plugh> Test region is on windows box.
2014-07-09 21:25 <nebadon> oh i see
2014-07-09 21:25 <Plugh> Machine running Robust is Linux based and iptables are empty. Region is on Windows with WIndows firewall off.
2014-07-09 21:25 <Plugh> On top of this I have the cat calling for me and I have about 20 minutes before I have to leave to make dinner. :P
2014-07-09 21:25 <nebadon> only other thing it might be is viewer or region not resolving robust correctly, or maybe not resolving the region correctly either
2014-07-09 21:26 <nebadon> from your viewer machine
2014-07-09 21:26 <nebadon> you can put the retions URL in firefox and see knomes message?
2014-07-09 21:26 <nebadon> using the url in Regions.ini
2014-07-09 21:27 <nebadon> like http://nebadon2025.com:9000 for example
2014-07-09 21:28 <Plugh> I see the knomes message. That comes from Robust?
2014-07-09 21:28 <nebadon> no that comes from the region
2014-07-09 21:28 <nebadon> ok so we know tcp is clear then
2014-07-09 21:31 <nebadon> ya very strange, normally when i experience this its either fireall or maybe dns not resolving correctly some where
2014-07-09 21:35 <NickyP> Plugh I've seen stuck "Connecting to region" solved by a clean cache. 
2014-07-09 21:35 <Plugh> worth a try
2014-07-09 21:37 <Plugh> That helped. I got in but lots of red and yellow text spew in Robust console.
2014-07-09 21:38 <Plugh> Correction. in the region console.
2014-07-09 21:38 <NickyP> Let run those might clear after a while
2014-07-09 21:40 <nebadon> wierd, ive never experienced anything like that
2014-07-09 21:40 <nebadon> where cache clearing fix it
2014-07-09 21:40 <nebadon> good to know
2014-07-09 21:41 <nebadon> cant even imagine what the viewer would be caching to cause that
2014-07-09 21:43 <NickyP> i have seen that when switching form SL fo OS and sometimes with a viewer change
2014-07-09 21:44 <Plugh> Got a pile of missing gestures. :P
2014-07-09 21:44 <Plugh> nebadon: I am using Singularity. 'nuff said. ;)
2014-07-09 21:54 <nebadon> all i ever use is singularity and replex
2014-07-09 21:54 <Plugh> The test seems to be mostly working. I can login and a region appears to have rezzed. 
2014-07-09 21:54 <Plugh> mono is complaining it can't find libgdiplus but that is because it is looking in the wrong place for some reason.
2014-07-09 21:54 <Plugh> yet another problem to fix.
2014-07-09 21:55 <nebadon> yes
2014-07-09 21:55 <nebadon> its probably in lib64
2014-07-09 21:55 <nebadon> instead of lib
2014-07-09 21:55 <nebadon> you need to specify that when compiling
2014-07-09 21:55 <Plugh> it is looking in /usr/local/lib
2014-07-09 21:55 <nebadon> odd
2014-07-09 21:55 <Plugh> I have the 64 bit versions installed.
2014-07-09 21:56 <nebadon> are you doing it in user space? or to the core ?
2014-07-09 21:56 <nebadon> are you using my instructions?
2014-07-09 21:56 <Plugh> It shouldn't even looking in /usr/local. It is installed in /usr/lib64
2014-07-09 21:56 <nebadon> ya that is odd
2014-07-09 21:57 <nebadon> i prefer doing user space myself, and leave the core system alone
2014-07-09 21:58 <Plugh> Send me the URL for your instructions and I'll look at it again after I get back from dinner.
2014-07-09 21:58 <Plugh> I've been fighting major battles the last three days moving stuff from different machines to a new one.
2014-07-09 21:58 <Plugh> These are the last(?) remaining ones.
2014-07-09 22:00 <nebadon> 1 sec
2014-07-09 22:00 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44
2014-07-09 22:01 <Plugh> what is zypper?
2014-07-09 22:01 <Plugh> oh, that's SUSE.
2014-07-09 22:03 <Plugh> nebadon: The preferred mono is 3.2 or have those instructions not been updated recently?
2014-07-09 22:05 <nebadon> i still use 3.2.8 mostly
2014-07-09 22:05 <Plugh> ok
2014-07-09 22:05 <nebadon> done some experimenting with 3.6.1 and 3.4.1
2014-07-09 22:06 <nebadon> 3.2.8 should be fine, i recall some issues potentialy with 3.4.1
2014-07-09 22:06 <nebadon> thats why i put my directions back to 3.2.8 for now
2014-07-09 22:06 <Plugh> ok.
2014-07-09 22:06 <AliciaRaven> im using 3.6.1 with no problems
2014-07-09 22:07 <nebadon> usually i keep my instructions on the release version of mono
2014-07-09 22:07 <nebadon> and since some people had trouble with 3.4.1 i figured it was safer to stay on 3.2.8 for now
2014-07-09 22:10 <Plugh> I'm rebuilding 2.8 now. I'll see how it goes when I get back from dinner.
2014-07-09 22:10 <nebadon> k cool
2014-07-09 22:11 <Plugh> 
ACTION heads to the kitchen

2014-07-09 22:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #3682 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-09 22:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3682: SUCCESS in 8 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3682/
2014-07-09 22:27 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Turn RestClient.Request() logging down the debug and comment out for now.
2014-07-09 22:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #3683 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-09 22:29 <osmantis> Bug #7256:04 Attach/wear object by script results in object disappear 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7256 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-09 22:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3683: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3683/
2014-07-09 22:31 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix bug in "show modules" comamnd that was showing shared modules as non-shared and non-shared as shared
2014-07-09 22:44 <osmantis> Bug #7252:04 Multiple right clicks in viewer causes lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7252 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-09 23:27 <lkalif> that guy is still trying to break in
2014-07-09 23:28 <lkalif> smxy: yeah, I got backup of the database and content, but not config files
2014-07-09 23:28 <lkalif> wasn't that smart
2014-07-09 23:42 <dahlia> lkalif: $write ekk "Hi, can I help you?"
2014-07-09 23:43 <lkalif> I have fake ssh running, hoping they'd get in
2014-07-09 23:43 <lkalif> root with 123456 password :P
2014-07-09 23:43 <dahlia> lol
2014-07-09 23:45 <smxy> Now, see, you're supposed to send an EMP pulse (yes, I know that's redundant) back up the line to his computer and make his screen explode in his face, killing him for the temerity to hack you. :p
2014-07-09 23:45 <lkalif> hehe
2014-07-09 23:45 <lkalif> I like how people get upset about reduntant acronyms :P
2014-07-09 23:45 <smxy> Like DNS servers. :)
2014-07-09 23:45 <lkalif> Like ATM machine
2014-07-09 23:46 <smxy> that too
2014-07-09 23:46 <lkalif> 25 years ago people were getting upset about VGA adapters ;)
2014-07-09 23:48 <smxy> hehe
2014-07-09 23:53 -!- Wanderer_42(~kvirc@dslb-084-060-191-067.pools.arcor-ip.net) has left #opensim-dev
2014-07-09 23:58 <paulieflomar> except that VGA actually stands for "video graphics array." :)
2014-07-09 23:59 <paulieflomar> oh man, I'm old.
2014-07-10 00:01 <dahlia> how about EGA?
2014-07-10 00:02 <Plugh> nebadon: It does look a bit more stable running 3.2.8
2014-07-10 00:03 <paulieflomar> Yeah, why didnt THAT stand for enganced graphics ARRAY? Wtf, IBM?
2014-07-10 00:03 <Plugh> Yup. EGA -> Enhanced Graphics Array
2014-07-10 00:03 <smxy> 3.6.1 is working perfectly for me
2014-07-10 00:04 <Plugh> smxy: I had trouble building 3.6 and 3.4 looked like it might have been causing issues. For now, 3.2.8 is looking ok except it is still looking for libgdiplus in the wrong place.
2014-07-10 00:06 <paulieflomar> Ah, Wikpedia tells us: "VGA is referred to as an "Array" instead of an "adapter" because it was implemented from the start as a single chip (an ASIC), replacing the Motorola 6845 and dozens of discrete logic chips."
2014-07-10 00:06 <Plugh> Robust keeps throwing an exception about libgdiplus then the next thing I see is Robust terminates (or restarts in my case as I have it set to auto restart).
2014-07-10 00:06 <paulieflomar> I'm smarter, now! :)
2014-07-10 00:06 <Plugh> Ah, the good old 6845
2014-07-10 00:07 <paulieflomar> friend to many an arcade game and personal computer!
2014-07-10 00:08 <dahlia> paulieflomar: wikipedia disagrees. Perhaps you should edit the article ;)  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_Graphics_Adapter
2014-07-10 00:08 <AllenKerensky> Moto 68xx / MOS 65xx 4 lyfe!
2014-07-10 00:09 <Plugh> lyfe??
2014-07-10 00:09 <Plugh> oh, ok.
2014-07-10 00:09 <Plugh> yes, I'd second that.
2014-07-10 00:09 <AllenKerensky> lern2ghetto lol
2014-07-10 00:09 <paulieflomar> :)
2014-07-10 00:09 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: um... no thanks. :)
2014-07-10 00:10 <AllenKerensky> 
ACTION throws bad white boy ganstah symbols attempts to look like he has some clue what that is all about

2014-07-10 00:10 <Plugh> nebadon: ping
2014-07-10 00:15 <nebadon> hey Plugh
2014-07-10 00:16 <Plugh> Running with 3.2.8 looks a bit better but I'm getting constant crashes of Robust which seem related to it not finding libgdiplus. It is still looking for it in a lib directory under the root install dir of mono.
2014-07-10 00:17 <Plugh> Do you have a libgdiplus.so in a dir under where mono was installed?
2014-07-10 00:19 <Plugh> I might have just made mono happy by copy /usr/lib64/libgdiplus.so to /opt/mono-3.2.8/lib
2014-07-10 00:26 <Plugh> I wonder if the --libdir option to autogen.sh is throwing it off.
2014-07-10 00:27 <nebadon> ya use the libdir
2014-07-10 00:27 <nebadon> my instructions specify that part too
2014-07-10 00:27 <nebadon> because i also had trouble on certain os's
2014-07-10 00:27 <nebadon> even different versions of opensuse behaved differently
2014-07-10 00:27 <Plugh> I did and it is looking for libgdiplus under /opt instead of using the package controlled version under /usr/lib
2014-07-10 00:27 <nebadon> so now i just always specify it
2014-07-10 00:27 <nebadon> ah ya i install mono to /opt
2014-07-10 00:28 <nebadon> then make a symlink to that in userspace
2014-07-10 00:28 <nebadon> and set all the variables in .bashrc userspace
2014-07-10 00:28 <nebadon> this way the opensim linux user cant modify mono in anyway
2014-07-10 00:28 <nebadon> its userspace with root protection
2014-07-10 00:28 <Plugh> Right. So have I. I find it strange it looks in /opt for that library and didn't pick up the system wide installed version.
2014-07-10 00:29 <nebadon> well its because its in the mono isntall
2014-07-10 00:29 <nebadon> with the mono dlls and binaries
2014-07-10 00:29 <Plugh> mono includes its own libgdiplus?
2014-07-10 00:29 <nebadon> no but if you use my instructions for opt
2014-07-10 00:29 <nebadon> it puts them together in same location
2014-07-10 00:29 <lkalif> yes, mono uses its own
2014-07-10 00:29 <nebadon> libgdiplus is part of mono
2014-07-10 00:30 <nebadon> regardless of its source
2014-07-10 00:30 <Plugh> ok.
2014-07-10 00:30 <nebadon> but usually you want libgdiplus matched to the mono your running
2014-07-10 00:30 <Plugh> lkalif: by own, I meant that the mono source tree includes the source for libgdiplus
2014-07-10 00:30 <nebadon> or as close as possible 
2014-07-10 00:31 <lkalif> no, its a separate git repository
2014-07-10 00:31 <nebadon> right but i mean mono manages libgdiplus
2014-07-10 00:31 <lkalif> nebadon's build instructions usually make it all work
2014-07-10 00:31 <nebadon> its not some stand alone project
2014-07-10 00:31 <lkalif> yeah
2014-07-10 00:33 <Plugh> nebadon: The opensim stuff is running from a separate user account from where mono is built and they also don't have write perms to the /opt/mono-3.2.8 directory.
2014-07-10 00:35 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-10 00:35 <nebadon> thats how you want it for sure
2014-07-10 00:35 <nebadon> i however like to make a symlink in userspace
2014-07-10 00:35 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-07-10 00:35 <nebadon> this way if you upgrade mono you just change symlink only
2014-07-10 00:35 <nebadon> you dont have to modify bash variables or restart anything
2014-07-10 00:35 <Plugh> ah, right. Good idea.
2014-07-10 00:35 <nebadon> as soon as symlink changes new mono is in place
2014-07-10 00:36 <nebadon> Dahlia gave me that suggestion :)
2014-07-10 00:36 <Plugh> I did that for my Robust install. Robust is in Robust-0.7.6PF but I have a symlink to it using "Robust". When I make a Robust-0.8 I just change symlink and when my shell scripts are used to start up Robust it will get the one the symlink references.
2014-07-10 00:36 <lkalif> she has a good idea on occasion :P
2014-07-10 00:37 <nebadon> ya we also do that too Plugh
2014-07-10 00:37 <nebadon> its very handy for all kinds of upgrading
2014-07-10 00:37 <nebadon> also good for testing with multiple versions of mono
2014-07-10 00:37 <nebadon> you can rapidly bounce through several versions
2014-07-10 00:37 <Plugh> My packaged libgdiplus seems to be the latest one available that is listed in the branches of the git repo.
2014-07-10 00:38 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-07-10 00:38 <Plugh> Yea. That is one of the things I like about Linux that you can't do under Windows (AFAIK).
2014-07-10 00:39 <lkalif> can't do what on windows?
2014-07-10 00:39 <nebadon> ya probably not, i do wish windows have some form of symlinking
2014-07-10 00:39 <nebadon> not just shitty shortcuts
2014-07-10 00:39 <Dev_Random> only Microsoft can create symlinks like "Desktop". they're secret tech.
2014-07-10 00:39 <lkalif> ah there is, on ntfs
2014-07-10 00:39 <nebadon> you know what i do in windows i map network drives
2014-07-10 00:39 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-10 00:39 <Plugh> shortcuts are there form of symlinks.
2014-07-10 00:39 <Plugh> s/there/their/
2014-07-10 00:40 <Plugh> nebadon: that's one way to do it. :)
2014-07-10 00:40 <lkalif> there are real links, see mklink command
2014-07-10 00:40 <lkalif> doesn't work on fat32, so most usb thumb drive won't work
2014-07-10 00:40 <Plugh> 
ACTION <--- not a major user of Windows

2014-07-10 00:40 <lkalif> but it works fine on hard drives with ntfs
2014-07-10 00:41 <Plugh> What about with vfat?
2014-07-10 00:41 <nebadon> interesting
2014-07-10 00:41 <nebadon> didnt know that existed
2014-07-10 00:41 <nebadon> i dont do much on windows that would require symlinks anyway
2014-07-10 00:41 <lkalif> but there is like 4-5 kinds, I get confused
2014-07-10 00:41 <Plugh> Neither did I. I might forget about it again before I am likely to need it.
2014-07-10 00:41 <nebadon> probably could do symlink in cygwin
2014-07-10 00:41 <Plugh> nebadon, same here.
2014-07-10 00:42 <nebadon> ya totally works in cygwin
2014-07-10 00:42 <nebadon> heh
2014-07-10 00:43 <nebadon> ya cant click the symlink in windows though
2014-07-10 00:43 <nebadon> its like a txt file
2014-07-10 00:43 <Plugh> I don't use cygwin as such. I use MinGW/MSYS.
2014-07-10 00:43 <lkalif> only cygwin programs know about those links
2014-07-10 00:43 <lkalif> it doesn't work with windows native
2014-07-10 00:43 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-10 00:43 <nebadon> ive been using rsync in cygwin a lot
2014-07-10 00:43 <nebadon> that is really handy
2014-07-10 00:44 <Plugh> ah. That would be useful.
2014-07-10 00:44 <lkalif> also opensim console doesn't work in cygwin
2014-07-10 00:44 <lkalif> which makes me sad
2014-07-10 00:44 <lkalif> I have to use "dos" box to run opensim
2014-07-10 01:13 <AliciaRaven> in the open sim code i found foreach (String bloody_wanker in annoying_string_array) lol
2014-07-10 01:43 <osmantis> Bug #7259:04 Sim/Grid owner AV cannot cross border from normal sim into a private var. "Cannot crosss into banned parcel" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7259 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-10 01:44 <osmantis> Bug #7259:04 Sim/Grid owner AV cannot cross border from normal sim into a private var. "Cannot crosss into banned parcel" when crossing borde 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7259 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-07-10 01:45 <osmantis> Bug #7256:04 Attach/wear object by script results in object disappear 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7256 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-10 04:19 <sleezio> hello, maybe someone on this channel can help... i've just run opensim for the first time(linux) but i wasn't prompted any config questions like the readme says i should see. i also followed the directions on http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Configuration, same situation, never asked any setup questions
2014-07-10 04:22 <Plugh> sleezio: Are you using OpenSim that you built yourself from source or are you using a prepackaged version such as wifi?
2014-07-10 04:22 <sleezio> http://opensimulator.org/dist/opensim-0.8.tar.gz
2014-07-10 04:22 <Plugh> Also, are you running a standalone set up or are you using it in grid mode?
2014-07-10 04:22 <sleezio> i set ini for standalone
2014-07-10 04:23 <sleezio> Include-Architecture = "config-include/Standalone.ini"
2014-07-10 04:23 <sleezio> i can create user and login, but about land shows owner as Justin Clark-Casey
2014-07-10 04:24 <sleezio> ....not me
2014-07-10 04:24 <Plugh> hm... you are using SQLite for the database?
2014-07-10 04:24 <sleezio> whatever came with the .gz file from the website
2014-07-10 04:26 <sleezio> it appears that the dev team already went through the initial setup process then saved to .gz for download
2014-07-10 04:26 <Plugh> There may be some sample/test data in the SQLite database that ships with the package. I'll look at that in a minute or two.
2014-07-10 04:26 <sleezio> thanks
2014-07-10 04:27 <Plugh> A lot of people using opensim change the configuration to use MySQL for the database.
2014-07-10 04:31 <diva> sleezio that sounds like you loaded an oar already. did you?
2014-07-10 04:33 <sleezio> no idea what an 'oar' is
2014-07-10 04:33 <osmantis> Bug #7252:04 Multiple right clicks in viewer causes lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7252 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-10 04:33 <diva> an archive
2014-07-10 04:33 <sleezio> i just downloaded the .gz file, followed the readme text
2014-07-10 04:35 <sleezio> this is starting it for the first time: http://i.imgur.com/l5OcSmJ.png
2014-07-10 04:35 <sleezio> it just stops there, i'm never prompted any of the config questions
2014-07-10 04:37 <diva> didn't it ask you for estate information?
2014-07-10 04:37 <sleezio> nope
2014-07-10 04:38 <sleezio> i deleted the folder, unzipped it a 2nd time...same
2014-07-10 04:39 <sleezio> server starts fine with preconfiged settings, easte owner = Justin Clark-Casey
2014-07-10 04:40 <sleezio> downloading the /zip' version now
2014-07-10 04:40 <sleezio> if issue follows, i'll try the 0.7.6.1
2014-07-10 04:41 <diva> this is not relaly an 
2014-07-10 04:41 <diva> issue" as such, you should be able to change the estate ownership, but it's very odd that the package would come preconfigured with Justion's name on it
2014-07-10 04:41 <diva> i'm checking
2014-07-10 04:41 <diva> maybe justin messed up
2014-07-10 04:42 <diva> and forgot to delete his test sqlite db
2014-07-10 04:42 <diva> I also never run sqlite, so this would have escaped me
2014-07-10 04:44 <sleezio> ok, the zip file is asking me the questions, it's just the .gz file thats preconfigured
2014-07-10 04:45 <diva> yes, I see a bunch of sqlite files in there
2014-07-10 04:45 <diva> they shouldn't be there
2014-07-10 04:45 <nebadon> in our release there is sqlite files?
2014-07-10 04:45 <diva> yes
2014-07-10 04:45 <nebadon> oh jeez
2014-07-10 04:45 <diva> at least in the tar.gz
2014-07-10 04:45 <nebadon> thats bad
2014-07-10 04:45 <sleezio> just in the .gz file
2014-07-10 04:45 <nebadon> ok
2014-07-10 04:46 <nebadon> we'll get that fixed up in the next 24 hours
2014-07-10 04:46 <sleezio> hope he wasn't using his normal password
2014-07-10 04:46 <nebadon> sqlite has no password
2014-07-10 04:46 <sleezio> k
2014-07-10 04:46 <nebadon> oh you mean user password
2014-07-10 04:46 <nebadon> good point
2014-07-10 04:46 <diva> for his account
2014-07-10 04:46 <sleezio> yes, his user
2014-07-10 04:46 <nebadon> ya hopefully not
2014-07-10 04:47 <sleezio> ok, thanks for the help, i seem to be moving along now
2014-07-10 05:00 <Plugh> ok, thought there might have been some left over data in there.
2014-07-10 05:00 <Plugh> Sorry. Distracted by trying to fix a couple website and grid issues.
2014-07-10 05:02 <sleezio> thanks, but the zip file has me going
2014-07-10 12:22 <NickyP> On Kokua I am getting a cap response to upload baked textures to port 9999. Where would that come from?
2014-07-10 12:27 <lkalif> sim can be configured for any port 
2014-07-10 12:28 <NickyP> would the firewall need opened on that port
2014-07-10 12:28 <lkalif> it's set in Opensim.ini
2014-07-10 12:28 <lkalif> yes
2014-07-10 12:28 <lkalif> I think default is 9000
2014-07-10 12:28 <lkalif> for opensim, iirc
2014-07-10 12:31 <osmantis> Bug #7259:04 Sim/Grid owner AV cannot cross border from normal sim into a private var. "Cannot crosss into banned parcel" when crossing borde 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7259 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-10 19:27 <osmantis> Bug #7260:04 Teleport Lure fails after border crossing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7260 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-10 20:33 <justincc> diva: sorry about that, I must somehow have managed to package up a directory I had run release tests in rather than a clean bin one, I will look to respin it now
2014-07-10 20:37 <nebadon> justincc hope you used a temp password for any users in those db's
2014-07-10 20:37 <justincc> yes, not anything important
2014-07-10 20:38 <nebadon> that is good
2014-07-10 20:38 <nebadon> i found a problem with teleport lures today
2014-07-10 20:38 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7260
2014-07-10 20:39 <justincc> ok, I'm puzzled by the last bit "i have no way to test this scenario"
2014-07-10 20:40 <nebadon> oh i just don't have any multi region simulators running
2014-07-10 20:40 <nebadon> i just wanted to be clear that my testing was not between 2 regions in the same simulation
2014-07-10 20:40 <nebadon> guess i failed
2014-07-10 20:40 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-10 20:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #3684 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-10 20:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3684: SUCCESS in 8 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3684/
2014-07-10 20:45 <osjenkins> jjustincc: refactor: use existing Compiler.CreateScriptsDirectory() (renamed to CheckOrCreateScriptsDirectory()) when checking that scripts directory exists on compile.
2014-07-10 20:46 <justincc> ok, done.  I did wonder why the tar.gz had grown so much but put it down to some tar oddness....
2014-07-10 20:47 <justincc> which was dumb in hindsight
2014-07-10 20:54 <osmantis> Bug #7239:04 Windows compile regression 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7239 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-10 21:00 <osmantis> Bug #7244:04 Opensim Website Distro tar.gz has extra files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7244 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-10 21:54 <diva> hi justincc thanks for fixinf it
2014-07-10 21:55 <justincc> yw
2014-07-10 22:36 <osmantis> Bug #7239:04 Windows compile regression 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7239 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-10 23:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #3685 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-10 23:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3685: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3685/
2014-07-10 23:11 <osjenkins> jjustincc: If [XEngine] ScriptStopStrategy is changed between abort and co-op, for the existing session use the previous strategy for that script rather than not starting the script at all.
2014-07-10 23:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #3686 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-10 23:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3686: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3686/
2014-07-10 23:21 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: further cleanup of old vb and yield prolog script engine references that were removed some time ago
2014-07-10 23:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #3687 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-10 23:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3687: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3687/
2014-07-10 23:25 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Move debug xengine script console command to Debug help section where other debug commands live.
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2014-07-11 13:03 <osmantis> Bug #7255:04 Script reported as active, after removing self from inventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7255 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-07-11 20:29 <osmantis> Bug #7255:04 Script reported as active, after removing self from inventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7255 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-11 20:41 <osmantis> Bug #7255:04 Script reported as active, after removing self from inventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7255 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-07-12 03:39 <Guest91802> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxTSbMU_XWw       in 11:20 min/sec see this part . dose this mean the Hypergrid of secondlife on other peoples machines?
2014-07-12 05:59 <lkalif> I can never remember nebadon's guide to mono compiling URL
2014-07-12 06:17 <Plugh> lkalif: http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44
2014-07-12 06:18 <lkalif> Plugh: thanks!
2014-07-12 06:18 <Plugh> yw
2014-07-12 06:18 <lkalif> should be in topic or something :P
2014-07-12 06:18 <lkalif> nebadon: also /home/<user> is $HOME
2014-07-12 06:18 <Plugh> Should be a link in the wiki.
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2014-07-12 10:54 <osmantis> Bug #7261:04 Script permissions lost after importing IAR from my standalone. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7261 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-12 12:11 <zadark> Info https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AXRw6MdKrA&feature=youtu.be
2014-07-12 12:36 <osmantis> Bug #7262:04 tick counts need not be masked, either by 7FFFFFFF or 3FFFFFFF 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7262 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-12 12:39 <osmantis> Bug #7262:04 tick counts need not be masked, either by 7FFFFFFF or 3FFFFFFF 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7262 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-07-12 14:19 <osmantis> Bug #7263:04 Repeated calls to llFrand() cause script to runtime error or freeze 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7263 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-12 14:21 <lkalif> zadark: they keep stealing dahlia's idea ;)
2014-07-12 14:24 <zadark> lkalif: My thoughts exactly :-)
2014-07-12 14:53 <osmantis> Bug #7262:04 tick counts need not be masked, either by 7FFFFFFF or 3FFFFFFF 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7262 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-07-12 16:52 <osmantis> Bug #7264:04 Problem about international settings of data, numbers, currency 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7264 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-12 18:21 <osmantis> Bug #7262:04 tick counts need not be masked, either by 7FFFFFFF or 3FFFFFFF 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7262 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-12 18:25 <osmantis> Bug #7264:04 Problem about international settings of data, numbers, currency 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7264 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-07-12 18:27 <osmantis> Bug #7264:04 Problem about international settings of data, numbers, currency 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7264 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-07-12 18:28 <osmantis> Bug #7264:04 Problem about international settings for dates, numbers, currency 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7264 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-07-12 21:48 <Wanderer_42> Hi. Has anyone an idea, why i cant upload a simple mesh in avination ?  In osgrid there is no problem. In Avination i get: "Missing physics_convex_block 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000"
2014-07-12 21:55 <dahlia> Wanderer_42: I dont really know much about avination, but it sounds like you need to go to the physics tab while uploading and generate a convex hull collider. I'd guess that avination probably has a wiki page somewhere that describes what they want
2014-07-12 21:56 <Wanderer_42> dahlia: I tried that mesh in sl-betagrid: There it fails, too.
2014-07-12 21:56 <Wanderer_42> I will try your suggestion. Thank you
2014-07-12 21:57 <dahlia> convex colliders are normally optional in regular opensim so thats probably why it works on osgrid
2014-07-12 21:58 <Wanderer_42> It fails too. I loaded the same mesh as physics
2014-07-12 21:59 <Wanderer_42> that mesh is very simple. i cant see, what part cause this problem.
2014-07-12 22:03 <Wanderer_42> dahlia: thank you. I tried a very simple physik-mesh (just a cube, that i scaled). It seems working
2014-07-12 22:18 <nebadon> does it work in osgrid or a standalone Wanderer_42?
2014-07-12 22:18 <Wanderer_42> in osgrid at sandboxplaza II
2014-07-12 22:19 <Wanderer_42> But  with a additional physics-mesh i was able to upload it in avination as well
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2014-07-13 13:39 <techplex> Anyone know how the Opensim Console works as to provide up-arrow last command functionality?
2014-07-13 13:42 <osmantis> Bug #7262:04 tick counts need not be masked, either by 7FFFFFFF or 3FFFFFFF 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7262 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-13 14:43 <osmantis> Bug #7264:04 Problem about international settings for dates, numbers, currency 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7264 ): has been UPDATED.
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2014-07-13 16:27 <osmantis> Bug #7264:04 Problem about international settings for dates, numbers, currency 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7264 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-07-13 18:57 <osmantis> Bug #7262:04 tick counts need not be masked, either by 7FFFFFFF or 3FFFFFFF 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7262 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-07-14 07:54 <osmantis> Bug #6996:04 [XBakes]: missing config in Robust.HG.ini.example and missing " on end of connector line 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6996 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-14 07:54 <osmantis> Bug #6988:04 Master report for issues caused by Avinaion code drop - please link issues that qualify to this as children 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6988 ): The RELATED issue 0006996 has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-14 07:56 <osmantis> Bug #7063:04 xbakes Robust.[HG].ini.example BaseDirectory = "/data/bakes" issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7063 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-07-14 17:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #3688 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-14 17:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3688: SUCCESS in 8 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3688/
2014-07-14 17:35 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Call RemoveScriptInstance when removing from inventory
2014-07-14 17:36 <osmantis> Bug #7255:04 Script reported as active, after removing self from inventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7255 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-14 17:43 <osmantis> Bug #7156:04 llPassTouches(TRUE) not restored to child prim if script removed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7156 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-14 18:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #3689 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-14 18:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3689: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3689/
2014-07-14 18:33 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Remove compiler warning in GridService
2014-07-14 19:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #3690 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-14 19:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3690: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3690/
2014-07-14 19:16 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Use thread-safe version of .NET Random as the SDK class is not thread-safe.
2014-07-14 19:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #3691 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-14 19:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3691: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3691/
2014-07-14 19:57 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Update information in OpenSimDefaults to reflect the fact that ScriptStopStrategy in [XEngine] can now be changed without manually deleting old compiled scripts.
2014-07-15 00:08 <osmantis> Bug #7265:04 Group permission of ""Always allow Create Objects" not working correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7265 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-15 00:10 <osmantis> Bug #7265:04 Group permission of ""Always allow Create Objects" not working correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7265 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-15 00:11 <osmantis> Bug #7265:04 Group permission of ""Always allow Create Objects" not working correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7265 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-15 00:33 <osmantis> Bug #7263:04 Repeated calls to llFrand() cause script to runtime error or freeze 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7263 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-07-15 00:58 <osmantis> Bug #7263:04 Repeated calls to llFrand() cause script to runtime error or freeze 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7263 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-07-15 02:17 <dahlia> lol @ Wanderer_42's quit message
2014-07-15 02:24 <AliciaRaven> quit message? i didnt see one, just said Wanderer_42 left
2014-07-15 02:27 <dahlia> [19:13] <-- Wanderer_42 has left this channel ("Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is")
2014-07-15 02:29 <AliciaRaven> lol didnt show on my client, thats strange
2014-07-15 11:35 <osmantis> Bug #7261:04 Script permissions lost after importing IAR from my standalone. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7261 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-07-15 11:36 <osmantis> Bug #7261:04 Script permissions lost after importing IAR from my standalone. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7261 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-15 11:51 <osmantis> Bug #7156:04 llPassTouches(TRUE) not restored to child prim if script removed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7156 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-07-15 12:05 <osmantis> Bug #7266:04 Scripting throught Hypergrid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7266 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-15 12:53 <osmantis> Bug #7266:04 Scripting throught Hypergrid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7266 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-15 12:54 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-15 12:58 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-15 14:09 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar forever on login on OSGrid add-on regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-15 16:59 <justincc> nebadon: ping
2014-07-15 17:05 <nebadon> hey justinccc
2014-07-15 17:06 <justincc> can we update the conf opensim install to bleeding edge?
2014-07-15 17:06 <antont> ofc! what fun would the conf be otherwise! ;p
2014-07-15 17:06 <nebadon> sure
2014-07-15 17:06 <justincc> thanks
2014-07-15 17:07 <nebadon> was there anything significant since last week?
2014-07-15 17:07 <justincc> bleeding edge is safe atm
2014-07-15 17:07 <nebadon> ok ya last week i updated about 2 hours before load test
2014-07-15 17:07 <justincc> tbh, not so much, but there are fixes for my silly console command mistake and it removes some overly verbose log messages
2014-07-15 17:07 <nebadon> ah right ok
2014-07-15 17:07 <justincc> which will make other ones easier to see
2014-07-15 17:07 <justincc> unfortunately, I was ill end of last week so haven't yet done the updates I wanted to (yeah, perhaps I should have done them yesterday)
2014-07-15 17:08 <justincc> but i can still look to get my bots online before the test today... currently wondering what their names even were though
2014-07-15 17:08 <justincc> I need to dig in the db....
2014-07-15 17:13 <nebadon> geez cloning from opensimulator.org is really slow
2014-07-15 17:13 <nebadon> might have to switch to github, at this rate it wont be done cloning the repository before the test lol
2014-07-15 17:13 <justincc> I've been noticing slow downloads of tars
2014-07-15 17:13 <justincc> I wonder if there's some kind of issue
2014-07-15 17:18 <nebadon> ya not sure, ive had this happen before on my german servers, then i go to my home server and  its fast
2014-07-15 17:18 <nebadon> might just be some kind of network issue
2014-07-15 17:33 <justincc> ok, I am going to make a change in the [LoginService] of robust.ini to disable the login frequency limits.  Otherwise there's a danger of hitting it with bot logins
2014-07-15 17:34 <justincc> I see you're restarting regions now?
2014-07-15 17:37 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-15 17:37 <nebadon> its done
2014-07-15 17:37 <nebadon> I didnt update robust
2014-07-15 17:37 <nebadon> just the regions
2014-07-15 17:37 <nebadon> robust was updated last week though
2014-07-15 17:37 <nebadon> pretty sure tehre were no robust changes in that time
2014-07-15 17:38 <justincc> my change to fix the stats console command would apply
2014-07-15 17:38 <nebadon> ah
2014-07-15 17:38 <nebadon> ok i thought that was region only
2014-07-15 17:38 <justincc> not critical, but at the very least do need to restart the main robust isntance to pick up my config change and fix the newline issue
2014-07-15 17:38 <justincc> if I quit it does it auto restart?
2014-07-15 17:39 <nebadon> might as well wait
2014-07-15 17:39 <nebadon> im updating robust now
2014-07-15 17:40 <nebadon> few more minutes i'll be restarting robust 
2014-07-15 17:40 <justincc> ok trhanks.  are these set up to autorestart or does it need to be done from shell?
2014-07-15 17:40 <nebadon> from shell
2014-07-15 17:41 <justincc> any particular reason not to autorestart?
2014-07-15 17:43 <nebadon> you mean when i update?
2014-07-15 17:43 <nebadon> I update this grid 100% manually
2014-07-15 17:43 <nebadon> no scripts
2014-07-15 17:43 <justincc> yes, I'mwondering why you don't have it set up to autorestart on quit
2014-07-15 17:43 <nebadon> oh it should
2014-07-15 17:43 <nebadon> but
2014-07-15 17:43 <nebadon> when i change the symlink
2014-07-15 17:43 <nebadon> you have to break the loop
2014-07-15 17:44 <nebadon> otherwise it uses old symlink still
2014-07-15 17:44 <justincc> ok
2014-07-15 17:44 <nebadon> its ready to go
2014-07-15 17:45 <justincc> ok but I still see existing Robust1?
2014-07-15 17:47 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-15 17:47 <nebadon> you just have to ctrl+c and break the loop and start the shell script again
2014-07-15 17:47 <justincc> urrgh, ctrl +c
2014-07-15 17:47 <AliciaRaven> hi guys, do u ever do any load tests with sims that have been running a few days?
2014-07-15 17:47 <justincc> urrrrrrgggggghghhghhgghg
2014-07-15 17:47 <nebadon> because of how symlinks work
2014-07-15 17:47 <justincc> euierughufhsdufghfsdfksghgghgghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
2014-07-15 17:47 <justincc> :)
2014-07-15 17:47 <nebadon> lol why so against it
2014-07-15 17:47 <nebadon> for regions you always type backup first
2014-07-15 17:48 <nebadon> on robust it doesnt matter
2014-07-15 17:48 <justincc> well, it's fine for services but simulators it's urrrggggghgghgghgghgghghgghgghg
2014-07-15 17:48 <nebadon> just type backup first
2014-07-15 17:48 <justincc> it'#snot just regions, it means modules don't receive proper shutdown notification
2014-07-15 17:48 <nebadon> problem solved
2014-07-15 17:48 <justincc> not really
2014-07-15 17:48 <justincc> AliciaRaven: not generally as of yet
2014-07-15 17:48 <nebadon> we do at Wright Plaza
2014-07-15 17:48 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-15 17:49 <nebadon> we don't always restart wright plaza before meetings
2014-07-15 17:49 <nebadon> i cant imagine there would really be any difference
2014-07-15 17:49 <justincc> that's not really a load test thoguh
2014-07-15 17:49 <justincc> you're still using the exe.config located in the actual sim dir, right?
2014-07-15 17:49 <nebadon> yes
2014-07-15 17:50 <nebadon> with bash variables to point logs to correct location
2014-07-15 17:50 <AliciaRaven> well it would highlight any weak points when under load, but i would count meetings as a load test lol
2014-07-15 17:50 <justincc> that can be redirected as well, which would make this more efficient
2014-07-15 17:50 <nebadon> redirected?
2014-07-15 17:50 <nebadon> ya the meeting is a more realistic load
2014-07-15 17:50 <nebadon> for most users
2014-07-15 17:51 <nebadon> very few people will have more than 40 users
2014-07-15 17:51 <justincc> not have to use the one in opensim/bin/Robust.exe.config
2014-07-15 17:51 <nebadon> oh
2014-07-15 17:51 <nebadon> how can that be redirected?
2014-07-15 17:51 <nebadon> id still only use 1
2014-07-15 17:52 <justincc> -logconfitg /e
2014-07-15 17:53 <justincc> -logconfig some/other/obust.exe.config
2014-07-15 17:53 <justincc> like 
2014-07-15 17:53 <justincc> -inifile
2014-07-15 17:53 <justincc> damn keyboard
2014-07-15 17:53 <nebadon> ok cool
2014-07-15 17:53 <justincc> now I've got to work out why that damn extra newline is stil appearing in robust1
2014-07-15 17:54 <nebadon> im loggin in 20 avatars now
2014-07-15 17:54 <nebadon> using Radegast
2014-07-15 17:54 <justincc> erck
2014-07-15 17:54 <nebadon> its better than pcampbot
2014-07-15 17:54 <justincc> it's not going to be using /home/avacon/opensim-d62acc7/bin/Robust.exe.config is it
2014-07-15 17:55 <nebadon> no
2014-07-15 17:55 <nebadon> Robust has its own folder
2014-07-15 17:55 <justincc> ahhh
2014-07-15 17:55 <nebadon> i'll definitely setup the relocated ones later
2014-07-15 17:55 <justincc> I missed that, okay
2014-07-15 17:55 <nebadon> because of all of divas wifi extras robust has to be isolated
2014-07-15 17:56 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-07-15 17:56 <justincc> I'm sure diva woulda gree, but I can't say I'm a great fan of integration via encapsulating the OpenSim.Data.dll
2014-07-15 17:56 <justincc> nebadon: so currently you copy in Robust
2014-07-15 17:57 <justincc> a Robust.exe.config on update?
2014-07-15 17:57 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-15 17:57 <nebadon> i could automate it but i like doing it all manually
2014-07-15 17:57 <justincc> tttfffffff :P
2014-07-15 17:57 <nebadon> hard to be flexible when everything is automated
2014-07-15 17:58 <nebadon> plus i forget things
2014-07-15 17:58 <nebadon> doing it manually keeps me fresh
2014-07-15 17:58 <justincc> then you put options in your automation...
2014-07-15 17:58 <justincc> the script is your memory 
2014-07-15 17:58 <justincc> bah#
2014-07-15 17:58 <nebadon> hehe
2014-07-15 18:00 <justincc> ok, I can get a bot in so rest should be fine.  Need to create more but 220 is probenough for now
2014-07-15 18:21 <nebadon> I have 31 avatars at Keynote 1 right now
2014-07-15 19:07 <nebadon> load test is starting and we need people
2014-07-15 19:07 <nebadon> HG to http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 Keynote 1
2014-07-15 19:24 <justincc> my singu crashed. Relogging
2014-07-15 19:40 <justincc> singu crashed again, relogging.  Doesn't seem to like high av numbers
2014-07-15 19:42 <AliciaRaven> justincc, i crashed at same time, coincidence maybe? lol
2014-07-15 19:42 <nebadon> Keynote feels frozen
2014-07-15 19:42 <nebadon> right when you crashed 
2014-07-15 19:42 <nebadon> cant move anymore
2014-07-15 19:43 <H-H-H> 
ACTION sends for a paramedic

2014-07-15 19:43 <H-H-H> all these people crashing
2014-07-15 19:43 <nebadon> and its back
2014-07-15 19:43 <AllenKerensky> yeah it lagged a bit but then moved me a few seconds later
2014-07-15 19:44 <AliciaRaven> looks like heaven, i just logged back in and all i see is white with a few people standing around
2014-07-15 19:47 <nebadon> heh
2014-07-15 19:47 <AliciaRaven> all loaded now
2014-07-15 20:02 <nebadon> justincc i see a few of your bots lingering
2014-07-15 20:02 <justincc> alright ,might as well take them off
2014-07-15 21:11 <Plugh> oh, nuts. I forgot all about todays meeting.
2014-07-15 21:42 <nebadon> no worries Plugh, i'll try to remind you next week
2014-07-15 21:42 <nebadon> the load test went pretty good
2014-07-15 21:42 <nebadon> between Justin and my bots and everyone else i think we hit 225-250 range
2014-07-15 21:43 <nebadon> i had 82 avatars myself 
2014-07-15 21:43 <nebadon> 2 with replex 80 with radegast
2014-07-15 21:53 <lkalif> did the sim survive?
2014-07-15 21:53 <nebadon> yep
2014-07-15 21:53 <lkalif> nice
2014-07-15 21:53 <nebadon> towards the end things got a bit wonky
2014-07-15 21:53 <nebadon> pcampbot is harsh though
2014-07-15 21:53 <nebadon> justin was using pcampbot, i think it was logging in too many too fast
2014-07-15 22:00 <justinccAfk> I suspect it was more sheer load but we can agree to disagree for now, I'm sure we will find out in due time
2014-07-15 22:01 <justincc> pcampbot kept crashing under high traffic with an internal System.Buffer.BlockCopy out of bounds error from System.Net.WebConnection.ReadDone that I'll need to investigate
2014-07-15 22:03 <lkalif> sounds like some thread safety issue
2014-07-15 22:04 <justincc> yeah, that's what I'm thinking
2014-07-15 22:04 <osmantis> Bug #7267:04 Feature Request For OsAgentReplaceAppearance 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7267 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-15 22:17 <dahlia> justincc: windows or mono?
2014-07-15 22:17 <justincc> mono
2014-07-15 22:18 <dahlia> recent?
2014-07-15 22:18 <justincc> 3.2.4
2014-07-15 22:19 <justincc> huh, jus trealized I'm in the mono 3.4 contributors - http://www.mono-project.com/Release_Notes_Mono_3.4
2014-07-15 22:19 <justincc> for that tiny doc patch I did :)
2014-07-15 22:19 <dahlia> gratz (I think)
2014-07-15 22:19 <smxy> So you're famous now? :)
2014-07-15 22:19 <justincc> lol
2014-07-15 22:21 <dahlia> I had a mono fix way back when but when I tried to discuss it with some of the devs they were extremely rude so I filed it in the bit bucket instead
2014-07-15 22:22 <justincc> nebadon: do you still have the dev meeting chatlog from last week?
2014-07-15 22:51 <nebadon> oh crap i never posted that did I justincc
2014-07-15 22:51 <nebadon> let me look
2014-07-15 22:51 <nebadon> i probably do
2014-07-15 22:51 <nebadon> did you get todays?
2014-07-15 22:51 <justincc> yes
2014-07-15 22:51 <nebadon> ok cool let me go dig
2014-07-15 22:55 <nebadon> ok i do have it
2014-07-15 22:56 <nebadon> ok justincc its posted
2014-07-15 22:56 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2014-07-08
2014-07-15 22:56 <justincc> thanks neb
2014-07-15 22:57 <nebadon> no probleml, sorry I forgot
2014-07-15 22:57 <justincc> no worries
2014-07-15 22:57 <justincc> I can't remember what happened on 1st July
2014-07-15 22:57 <justincc> ah, I wasn't there for that one too ;)
2014-07-15 22:57 <justincc> or rather, that's the one I wasn't there for
2014-07-15 22:57 <nebadon> oh is that missing as well?
2014-07-15 22:58 <justincc> yes, but don't worry if you don't have
2014-07-15 22:58 <nebadon> i probably do
2014-07-15 22:58 <nebadon> 1 sec
2014-07-15 23:00 <nebadon> here you go > http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2014-07-01
2014-07-15 23:00 <justincc> great, thanks
2014-07-15 23:00 <nebadon> i included the chat from the load tests on the end as well
2014-07-15 23:00 <justincc> ok, cool
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2014-07-15 23:21 <justincc> hey nebadon, how many smart thread pool threads do you have configured for the keynotes?
2014-07-15 23:24 <justincc> 128, right?
2014-07-15 23:34 <nebadon> let me look
2014-07-15 23:34 <nebadon> probably higher than that
2014-07-15 23:34 <justincc> well, stats say 128 so it will be that
2014-07-15 23:34 <nebadon> oh ya you are right
2014-07-15 23:34 <nebadon> 128
2014-07-15 23:34 <nebadon> min = 48
2014-07-15 23:34 <justincc> max threads was reached on keynote 01 and there were work items waiting
2014-07-15 23:34 <nebadon> ah so we should bump that?
2014-07-15 23:34 <justincc> just how much good it does to increase that pool I don't know - it's not as if you can do more work than there are cores, but it's probably going to be worth a try
2014-07-15 23:34 <nebadon> ive used as high as 256 there
2014-07-15 23:35 <nebadon> i think wright plaza might be 256
2014-07-15 23:35 <justincc> it's always possible for threads to be waiting on io, etc.
2014-07-15 23:35 <justincc> yeah, I recommend try doubling it then
2014-07-15 23:35 <justincc> we did hit the ceiling
2014-07-15 23:35 <justincc> not on other keynotes but probably worth increasing those too......
2014-07-15 23:35 <nebadon> yea wright plaza is 250 max 48 min
2014-07-15 23:36 <nebadon> ok ya ill flip them all
2014-07-15 23:36 <nebadon> probably worth doing the breakouts too
2014-07-15 23:36 <justincc> ok
2014-07-16 01:56 <lkalif> Google+ removes all name restrictions, apologizes for “unnecessarily difficult experiences” 
2014-07-16 01:56 <lkalif> http://plus.google.com/+googleplus/posts/V5XkYQYYJqy
2014-07-16 01:57 <lkalif> they finally came to their senses
2014-07-16 01:57 <lkalif> question is, will dahlia and dive hate google a little bit less? :P
2014-07-16 01:59 <dahlia> lkalif: I dont hate google at all. I just dont trust them :P
2014-07-16 02:00 <lkalif> Seriously, I'm glad they reversed the stupid real name policy
2014-07-16 02:01 <dahlia> so will fake people have the right to be forgotten?
2014-07-16 02:01 <lkalif> Only in the EU ;)
2014-07-16 02:01 <lkalif> you don't have that right
2014-07-16 02:01 <dahlia> nope
2014-07-16 02:02 <dahlia> but we have "reputation.com" instead
2014-07-16 02:05 <dahlia> lkalif: added a comment to that post
2014-07-16 02:06 <nebadon> ive always had a fake name on google myself
2014-07-16 02:07 <nebadon> as long as google search for your fake name matches up with what your posting on google+ they leave you alone
2014-07-16 02:07 <nebadon> not many Nebadon Izumi's in the world lol
2014-07-16 02:07 <dahlia> not many Dahlia Trimbles either
2014-07-16 02:07 <lkalif> dahlia: lol
2014-07-16 02:08 <lkalif> they weren't enforcing it strictly like facebook does
2014-07-16 02:08 <lkalif> but anyway it's good now it's officially over
2014-07-16 02:09 <dahlia> didnt SignpostMarv have trouble with g+?
2014-07-16 02:09 <dahlia> or was that FB?
2014-07-16 02:09 <lkalif> I had my "Latif Khalifa" account deleted from Facebook
2014-07-16 02:10 <lkalif> not that I was using it
2014-07-16 02:10 <dahlia> how did they know?
2014-07-16 02:11 <lkalif> there was a group of stupid ass SL users that made it their mission to report all avatars naems to FB
2014-07-16 02:11 <lkalif> that was a thing for some
2014-07-16 02:12 <lkalif> dozens were deleted at that time
2014-07-16 02:12 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/AARP.jpg
2014-07-16 02:12 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-16 02:12 <nebadon> im obviously a real person cause AARP says so
2014-07-16 02:12 <lkalif> what's AARÅ?
2014-07-16 02:12 <lkalif> P
2014-07-16 02:13 <nebadon> American Association of Retired Persons
2014-07-16 02:13 <nebadon> i used a fake birthday some where
2014-07-16 02:13 <nebadon> and they thought i was 65+
2014-07-16 02:13 <nebadon> haha
2014-07-16 02:13 <nebadon> i get all kinds real world mail for Nebadon Izumi
2014-07-16 02:13 <lkalif> lol
2014-07-16 02:14 <lkalif> I don't get any mail IRL
2014-07-16 02:15 <dahlia> nebadon: if you wern't real, AARP wouldnt be asking you for money? :)
2014-07-16 02:15 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-16 02:15 <dahlia> I wonder how many people are registered voters with their SL names
2014-07-16 02:16 <nebadon> if i ever get drafted to military service i can just show em my AARP card
2014-07-16 02:16 <nebadon> hehe
2014-07-16 02:16 <dahlia> lol
2014-07-16 02:16 <lkalif> you're an optimist
2014-07-16 02:16 <nebadon> im a 65 year old Japanse man
2014-07-16 02:17 <dahlia> collect social security :D
2014-07-16 02:17 <lkalif> if they start mobilizing old farts, something went really bad :P
2014-07-16 15:43 <smxy> lkalif: "Old Man's War", by John Scalzi. :)
2014-07-16 21:07 <osmantis> Bug #7268:04 Relog after crash can cause issues if login completed to different region prior to previous region processing latency logout 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7268 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-16 22:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #3692 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-16 22:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3692: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3692/
2014-07-16 22:18 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Change default script stop method to co-op instead of abort.
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2014-07-16 23:17 <techplex> Anyone know the history of OpenMetaverse.Rendering.Linden.dll? Having Openmetaverse and linden in the file name sees a bit suspicious. 
2014-07-16 23:20 <dahlia> techplex: that may be jhurliman's port of the LL viewer prim code
2014-07-16 23:21 <techplex> dahlia: Interesting. I wonder where the source has gone off to? 
2014-07-16 23:21 <dahlia> techplex: lkalif may know
2014-07-16 23:22 <H-H-H> 
ACTION has just been playing the linux port of doom lol

2014-07-16 23:22 <dahlia> doom 3?
2014-07-16 23:23 <H-H-H> 1.2 not sure if it does 3
2014-07-16 23:23 <dahlia> meh
2014-07-16 23:23 <justincc> witched 2 has just been released for linux/steam os, which is neat
2014-07-16 23:23 <justincc> witcher 2
2014-07-16 23:23 <H-H-H> nice
2014-07-16 23:24 <dahlia> Ive been playing braid lately
2014-07-16 23:24 <justincc> I already owned it for windows so i get it for free, which is always nice
2014-07-16 23:24 <justincc> might get back into it now i can play on my desktop machine with proper mouse
2014-07-16 23:37 <dahlia> witcher 2 looks like it has some pretty nice artwork
2014-07-16 23:39 <justincc> witcher 3 is meant to be out somewhat soon, I think, though I'd much rather see their cyberpunk game
2014-07-16 23:39 <dahlia> is it all melee?
2014-07-16 23:39 <justincc> had quite enough of fantasy settings
2014-07-16 23:39 <justincc> dahlia: what do you mean?
2014-07-16 23:39 <dahlia> looking at youtube walkthru, it seems to be a lot of close range combat with hand weapons
2014-07-16 23:40 <justincc> yes, I think there's a quite a lot but haven't played it that much
2014-07-16 23:41 <dahlia> ya I kinda prefer ranged/spellcasting because my vision is pretty bad and I cant see whats going on well enough up close
2014-07-16 23:57 <dahlia> witcher 2 definitly has nice looking artwork and animations. Hope the plot is as good. Don't think I'm going to nibble on the hook tho
2014-07-16 23:57 <justincc> it is suppoed to be very good but haven't played enough to say
2014-07-16 23:57 <justincc> for myself
2014-07-16 23:57 <justincc> playing divinity original sin atm
2014-07-16 23:58 <justincc> well not right now, but you know wha tI mean
2014-07-17 00:11 <justincc> nebadon: http://imgur.com/u3dwtGb
2014-07-17 00:12 <justincc> I have spent an inordinate amount of time writing python code to parse my crummer stats files and push out graphs.  That's the root agent counts of all 4 keynotes over the 5 second samples . As you can see, I have a bit of fiddling to do yet (actually attach labels to those lines, etc.)
2014-07-17 00:12 <justincc> crummy
2014-07-17 00:12 <justincc> crumby perhaps
2014-07-17 00:12 <nebadon> nice
2014-07-17 00:13 <dahlia> excel is easier :P
2014-07-17 00:13 <justincc> so peak ,may have been 290 briefly but writing code to proper ascertain that
2014-07-17 00:14 <dahlia> I would have thought there wouldnt be such sharp steps
2014-07-17 00:14 <justincc> the upwards ones are probably me rapidly logging on bots
2014-07-17 00:14 <dahlia> and the downward?
2014-07-17 00:14 <justincc> the downwards one are where pCampbot crashed and all timed out at once, or sim had big problems
2014-07-17 00:14 <justincc> mainly it was pcampbot crashing
2014-07-17 00:14 <dahlia> ya I was looking at agent count in viewer stats and it had some pretty large rapid swings
2014-07-17 00:15 <justincc> I need to work out why pCampbot crashed, maybe get a chance tomorrow
2014-07-17 00:15 <dahlia> why not use multiple instances?
2014-07-17 00:15 <justincc> it's likely some race problem by the kind of crashes
2014-07-17 00:15 <justincc> I already was :)
2014-07-17 00:15 <dahlia> they all crashed at once?
2014-07-17 00:16 <justincc> I could use more... but that just reduces the change of failure - I would rather eliminate if possible
2014-07-17 00:16 <justincc> nah, they crashed independently
2014-07-17 00:16 <justincc> red region was quite well behaved though (I really do need to put the legend in)
2014-07-17 00:16 <dahlia> that error you described the other day seemed it could be a mono runtime bug
2014-07-17 00:17 <justincc> yeah, that would be the worst outcome
2014-07-17 00:17 <dahlia> could try in windows
2014-07-17 00:17 <justincc> pffff :P
2014-07-17 00:17 <dahlia> lol
2014-07-17 00:17 <justincc> well, I guess I could :)
2014-07-17 00:17 <justincc> get my gaming PC to start doing the botting
2014-07-17 00:19 <justincc> alright, rest time.  See you folks tomorrow
2014-07-17 01:10 <techplex> can region managers edit build in a region, even if the region is no-build? 
2014-07-17 01:17 <nebadon> techplex yes
2014-07-17 01:18 <techplex> Hmm, I seem to be having trouble then. My friend is a region manager and build is turned off and she can't build
2014-07-17 01:19 <nebadon> she needs to enable admin
2014-07-17 01:19 <nebadon> ctrl+alt+d i beleive
2014-07-17 01:20 <nebadon> I think that should do it as long as they are estate manager
2014-07-17 01:25 <techplex> With that menu open, she will be able to build?
2014-07-17 01:26 <nebadon> I think so
2014-07-17 01:27 <nebadon> a better way to control building though is to use groups
2014-07-17 01:28 <techplex> DOes she have to be an admin? We've got both admin and advanced menus open
2014-07-17 01:31 <nebadon> hmm you know
2014-07-17 01:32 <nebadon> maybe I am wrong, I think its becasue of god status
2014-07-17 01:32 <nebadon> you would need to enable god powers for estate managers in OpenSim.ini
2014-07-17 01:32 <nebadon> i think thats why I can
2014-07-17 01:32 <nebadon> not sure thats a good solution though
2014-07-17 01:32 <nebadon> unless you don't care that they have god powers too
2014-07-17 01:33 <nebadon> they can erase anything, take ownership of anything etc..
2014-07-17 02:02 <osmantis> Bug #7191:04 [BULLETSIM] exception with linkset on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7191 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-17 02:02 <osmantis> Bug #7191:04 [BULLETSIM] exception with linkset on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7191 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-07-17 13:38 <osmantis> Bug #7269:04 Grid: Cannot cross into non-existant region (wessage spelling) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7269 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-17 13:38 <osmantis> Bug #7269:04 Grid: Cannot cross into non-existant region (message spelling) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7269 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-07-17 13:53 <osmantis> Bug #7269:04 Grid: Cannot cross into non-existant region (message spelling) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7269 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-07-17 13:53 <osmantis> Bug #7269:04 Grid: Cannot cross into non-existant region (message spelling) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7269 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-17 14:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #3693 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-17 14:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3693: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3693/
2014-07-17 14:06 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: fix all instances of "non-existant" to "non-existent" (spelling mistakes) thanks Ai Austin for pointing this out.
2014-07-17 14:12 <osmantis> Bug #7191:04 [BULLETSIM] exception with linkset on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7191 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-17 20:10 <osmantis> Bug #7270:04 Exception when contacting presence server (not enough free sockets?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7270 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-17 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #7270:04 Exception when contacting presence server (not enough free sockets?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7270 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-17 22:39 <dahlia> 
ACTION blames justincc

2014-07-17 22:39 <justincc> nah, it was the russians, indirectly
2014-07-17 22:40 <dahlia> 
ACTION blames the russians...

2014-07-17 22:42 <lkalif> it was Melanie_ I bet :P
2014-07-17 22:43 <Melanie_> nope
2014-07-17 22:43 <Melanie_> i was "ReplacableInterface"
2014-07-17 22:43 <Melanie_> :)
2014-07-17 22:44 <dahlia> "was" and "replaceable" in the same sentence?
2014-07-17 22:44 <Melanie_> also caught fixed and served hot by justincc 
2014-07-17 22:44 <Melanie_> dahlia: :P
2014-07-17 22:46 <dahlia> lkalif: when you build Replex on mac, which compiler do you use?
2014-07-17 22:47 <lkalif> depends on which version of xcode you have installed
2014-07-17 22:47 <lkalif> the binaries I distribute are built with clang from Xcode 5
2014-07-17 22:47 <dahlia> I seem to have gcc, clang, xcode, and some other stuff
2014-07-17 22:47 <dahlia> I guess xcode installed gcc and clang
2014-07-17 22:48 <lkalif> xcode 5 killed gcc
2014-07-17 22:48 <lkalif> it's all clang now
2014-07-17 22:48 <dahlia> ah ok
2014-07-17 22:48 <dahlia> clang seems to be in vogue these days
2014-07-17 22:48 <Melanie_> yes. performance of LLV vs. gcc is a toss-up - it depends on the test which one wins
2014-07-17 22:49 <Melanie_> llvm is more extensible
2014-07-17 22:49 <Melanie_> it means less time-to-market for new languages that still compile to native
2014-07-17 22:49 <dahlia> and lawyers dont like gcc
2014-07-17 22:49 <Melanie_> so compiler devs love it
2014-07-17 22:51 <lkalif> main llvm dev works for apple and is principal creator of swift, their new programming language
2014-07-17 22:52 <dahlia> swift is that one they just announced?
2014-07-17 22:52 <dahlia> along with metal?
2014-07-17 22:52 <Melanie_> one of the bullet points on swift is "you don't have to write semicolons"
2014-07-17 22:53 <Melanie_> so you see what languages need these days so set themselves apart
2014-07-17 22:53 <dahlia> meh
2014-07-17 22:53 <Melanie_> swift seems unneeded
2014-07-17 22:53 <Melanie_> unless there are plans to take it further, it's just a new way to say the same thing
2014-07-17 22:53 <dahlia> well c++ is a complexity disaster
2014-07-17 22:53 <dahlia> I kinda see swift as apple's incarnation of go
2014-07-17 22:54 <dahlia> and metal as mantle
2014-07-17 22:54 <AllenKerensky> its all time for us to go back to machine code and start over? *grin*
2014-07-17 22:55 <AllenKerensky> 
ACTION misses geoProgrammer and geoAssembler on the C64

2014-07-17 22:55 <Melanie_> i just don't know if we really need that many new languges
2014-07-17 22:55 <lkalif> plasma storms and netsplits
2014-07-17 22:55 <dahlia> I've served my time toggling front panel switches, thank you very much :P
2014-07-17 22:55 <lkalif> i liked what i saw from swift
2014-07-17 22:55 <lkalif> but they didn't go all the way
2014-07-17 22:55 <dahlia> ya 
2014-07-17 22:55 <lkalif> still manual ref-counting for memory management
2014-07-17 22:55 <dahlia> swift reminded me of go, not really sure how they compare
2014-07-17 22:55 <lkalif> they chickened out on GC
2014-07-17 22:55 <Melanie_> that is what i thought. just another way to do the same thing. they could have done more to make it really set itself apart
2014-07-17 22:56 <Melanie_> but no
2014-07-17 22:56 <Melanie_> "you don't have to write semicolons"
2014-07-17 22:56 <dahlia> ref counting works
2014-07-17 22:56 <Melanie_> is what they push
2014-07-17 22:56 <lkalif> dahlia: it doesn't really
2014-07-17 22:56 <dahlia> well semicolons are optional in python so thats not some super new innovation
2014-07-17 22:56 <Melanie_> precisely
2014-07-17 22:56 <lkalif> circular references leak memory
2014-07-17 22:57 <dahlia> lkalif: ref counting works fine :)
2014-07-17 22:57 <lkalif> (and they're not as uncommon)
2014-07-17 22:57 <lkalif> dahlia: it doesn't
2014-07-17 22:57 <dahlia> works for me :P
2014-07-17 22:57 <lkalif> PHP uses refcounting, we had a million leaks to plug due to circular references
2014-07-17 22:58 <dahlia> and its not as if apple hasnt been exposed to ref counting before
2014-07-17 22:58 <lkalif> objact a references object b, and objectect b references object a
2014-07-17 22:58 <lkalif> those will never get freed
2014-07-17 22:58 <dahlia> so dont do that 
2014-07-17 22:58 <Melanie_> it's kinda hard to avoid in modernprogramming
2014-07-17 22:58 <lkalif> it's not always as obvious as that
2014-07-17 22:59 <lkalif> you can have 5 objects in a circular reference ring
2014-07-17 22:59 <Melanie_> people from a GC background don't think about it
2014-07-17 22:59 <dahlia> I dont have a GC background
2014-07-17 22:59 <lkalif> only c/c++ people think refcounting is cool :P
2014-07-17 22:59 <dahlia> C# is a relatively new language to me, and java not much longer
2014-07-17 23:00 <dahlia> *relatively*
2014-07-17 23:00 <dahlia> I did malloc and free for ages
2014-07-17 23:00 <AllenKerensky> and here I was told over and over that hardware management was an OS task - including physical and virtual memory
2014-07-17 23:00 <dahlia> AllenKerensky: it is
2014-07-17 23:00 <lkalif> and every API library has a different way who does malloc and who does free :P
2014-07-17 23:00 <AllenKerensky> and then languages go and re-re-invent that wheel over and over
2014-07-17 23:01 <AllenKerensky> and ref counting is hideous once you've realized that sort of tedium is RIGHTFULLY the computer's job
2014-07-17 23:01 <dahlia> AllenKerensky: you manage your user memory, OS does it on a global basis
2014-07-17 23:01 <AllenKerensky> there's no value in forcing coders to allocate and track bytes lol
2014-07-17 23:02 <dahlia> ok........ <.<  >.>
2014-07-17 23:02 <AllenKerensky> yeah I was being a bit _adjective_ how the OS already does something and then language and devs have to do it over
2014-07-17 23:02 <dahlia> AllenKerensky: there are big time costs involved in letting the OS do menial tasks like managing memory in user space
2014-07-17 23:02 <AllenKerensky> of course, not tracking bytes is how microsoft can end up with apps that have multi-megabyte icon animations that are never called lol
2014-07-17 23:03 <dahlia> kernel traps are not free
2014-07-17 23:03 <AllenKerensky> and there are big time bugs in programmers manually counting bytes and being off by one more than they aren't off by one
2014-07-17 23:03 <dahlia> AllenKerensky: well then if the language helps, let it :)
2014-07-17 23:03 <AllenKerensky> some automation costs are worth paying when a single bug fix costs a company more than a million dollars to roll out (looking at you MS)
2014-07-17 23:04 <dahlia> but there are also big time complaints when certain programs freeze up to do a GC cycle
2014-07-17 23:04 <AllenKerensky> yeah having a GC has pros and cons, but compared to ref counting, I'll take GC over ref counting
2014-07-17 23:04 <AllenKerensky> if it saves me a load of buffer overflows, some memory leaks, and off by one crashing or exploitable holes
2014-07-17 23:04 <dahlia> and then there are very poor GC implementations like mono
2014-07-17 23:05 <AllenKerensky> yeah you can always count on TANSTAAFL
2014-07-17 23:05 <AllenKerensky> every convenience has a price and nothing is really free
2014-07-17 23:06 <AllenKerensky> someone with an iPhone should ask SiRI how to solve this problem?
2014-07-17 23:07 <dahlia> assuming their reference-counted siri app doesnt leak all the phone memory?
2014-07-17 23:07 <AllenKerensky> well hopefully it leaks in the Apple back end servers lol
2014-07-17 23:07 <lkalif> they also forgot access modifiers in swift, everything is public
2014-07-17 23:07 <lkalif> no provate/protected, etc
2014-07-17 23:07 <lkalif> private*
2014-07-17 23:07 <dahlia> :(
2014-07-17 23:08 <AllenKerensky> yeah stuff like that makes coding hard
2014-07-17 23:08 <lkalif> they did promisse to add them though
2014-07-17 23:08 <AllenKerensky> i mean developers should always have access to everything and no security needed right?
2014-07-17 23:08 <AllenKerensky> ... and the network is always going to work too, right?
2014-07-17 23:08 <dahlia> works in embedded systems
2014-07-17 23:08 <dahlia> before they needed linux
2014-07-17 23:09 <AllenKerensky> heh yeah I've been messing with bare metal ARMv6 assembly on a Raspberry Pi
2014-07-17 23:09 <AllenKerensky> refreshing to just own the whole mess - reminds me of the gooder-old-days when your OS was in firmware and you didn't even need disks to do useful stuff on a machine
2014-07-17 23:37 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: ARM assembly on a Pi? Nice. :)
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2014-07-18 03:22 <Plugh> Hm... no ini changes between 0.7.6 and 0.8??
2014-07-18 03:23 <Plugh> 
ACTION wonders if he missed something.

2014-07-18 03:25 <Plugh> Ah, found them. 
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2014-07-18 04:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #3694 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-18 04:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3694: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3694/
2014-07-18 04:50 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: rearrange code to prevent using null pointers when a
2014-07-18 10:28 <osmantis> Bug #7271:04 Reappearance of [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7271 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-18 10:29 <osmantis> Bug #7271:04 Reappearance of [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7271 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006990.
2014-07-18 10:29 <osmantis> Bug #6990:04 OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.SceneGraph [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6990 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007271.
2014-07-18 10:37 <osmantis> Bug #7272:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Delegate for TriggerOnFrame failed at OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.World.Terrain.TerrainModule 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7272 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-18 10:46 <osmantis> Bug #7271:04 Reappearance of [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7271 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-18 11:05 <osmantis> Bug #7271:04 Reappearance of [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7271 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-18 12:23 <osmantis> Bug #7271:04 Reappearance of [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7271 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-18 13:02 <osmantis> Bug #5003:04 "Jump and then Forward key" works only if facing to North & East 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5003 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-18 13:04 <osmantis> Bug #5003:04 "Jump and then Forward key" works only if facing to North & East 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5003 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-18 13:18 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-18 15:31 <osmantis> Bug #7270:04 Exception when contacting presence server (not enough free sockets?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7270 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-18 15:42 <osmantis> Bug #7270:04 Exception when contacting presence server (not enough free sockets?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7270 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-18 17:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #3695 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-18 17:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3695: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3695/
2014-07-18 17:07 <osjenkins> jjustincc: With ODE physics, fix an issue where the avatar couldn't jump and then move forward when moving south or west.
2014-07-18 17:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #3696 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-18 17:16 <osmantis> Bug #5003:04 "Jump and then Forward key" works only if facing to North & East 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5003 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-18 17:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3696: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3696/
2014-07-18 17:18 <osjenkins> jjustincc: refactor: slightly adjust some code in ODECharacter.Move() to eliminate a condition check without changing the logic
2014-07-18 19:17 <osmantis> Bug #7270:04 Exception when contacting presence server (not enough free sockets?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7270 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-18 19:50 <Plugh> I'm in the process of switching from 0.7.6 to 0.8 and I noticed the OfflineIMService setting in Robust. That would be a replacement for the web hosted offline.php to handle storing/retrieving offline IMs?
2014-07-18 19:51 <Plugh> Will Robust automatically create the new offline IM table(s) and are the tables the same (or close enough) in structure that I can copy the existing offline IM's to the new table?
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2014-07-18 21:18 <osmantis> Bug #7270:04 Exception when contacting presence server (not enough free sockets?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7270 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-18 21:23 <justincc> Plugh: I've no idea how close the buildin offline im structures are to any external one out there
2014-07-18 21:30 <Plugh> ok. I'll dig in to the sources to find the structure.
2014-07-18 21:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #3697 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-18 21:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3697: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3697/
2014-07-18 21:34 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add ICommands.HasCommand() method so that we can detect whether a command has already been registered without needing to also run it
2014-07-18 21:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #3698 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-18 21:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3698: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3698/
2014-07-18 21:38 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: add method doc to ICommands.HasCommand()
2014-07-18 21:47 <osmantis> Bug #7270:04 Exception when contacting presence server (not enough free sockets?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7270 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-18 21:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #3699 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-18 22:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3699: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3699/
2014-07-18 22:02 <osjenkins> jjustincc: In grid mode, add SuppressConsoleCommands flag to [GridService] so that we can stop misleading grid service only console commands from registering.
2014-07-18 22:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #3700 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-18 22:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3700: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3700/
2014-07-18 22:57 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add "show region" command which will show parameters for current region.
2014-07-18 22:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #3701 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-18 23:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3701: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3701/
2014-07-18 23:01 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Add meters unit to water height console display
2014-07-18 23:02 <osmantis> Bug #7270:04 Exception when contacting presence server (not enough free sockets?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7270 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-18 23:18 <osmantis> Bug #7271:04 Reappearance of [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7271 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-18 23:20 <osmantis> Bug #7271:04 Reappearance of [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7271 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-18 23:24 <osmantis> Bug #7270:04 Exception when contacting presence server (not enough free sockets?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7270 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-19 00:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #3702 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-19 00:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3702: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3702/
2014-07-19 00:15 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: remove long unused RegionInfo.commFailTF
2014-07-19 00:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #3703 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-19 00:16 <osmantis> Bug #7191:04 [BULLETSIM] exception with linkset on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7191 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-19 00:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3703: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3703/
2014-07-19 00:19 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: remove long unused RegionInfo.ignoreIncomingConfiguration
2014-07-19 00:20 <Misterblue> justincc, I'm thinking of making the terrain loading by distance to be default on. Any reason not to?
2014-07-19 00:21 <justincc> Misterblue: if you're reasonably sure there are no major bugs, I say go ahead
2014-07-19 00:22 <justincc> Plugh: still around?
2014-07-19 00:22 <Plugh> I am.
2014-07-19 00:23 <justincc> ah, I see from git log that BlueWall is actually the user profiles guy
2014-07-19 00:24 <justincc> Misterblue: btw, did you ever get a chance to look at some of the other physics patches from vegaslon?
2014-07-19 00:25 <Misterblue> I haven't
2014-07-19 00:25 <Plugh> Hm... why do I only find the string in two files located under OpenSim/Services/HypergridService??
2014-07-19 00:26 <justincc> Misterblue: 7235 and 7226, look like a couple of small ones
2014-07-19 00:27 <Misterblue> k... I will give them a look today
2014-07-19 00:27 <justincc> Misterblue: got to go soon, but in case you see this, UserProfilesHandlers.ClassifiedDelete() looks accidentally unimplemented
2014-07-19 00:27 <justincc> oops sorry, not you Misterblue
2014-07-19 00:28 <justincc> BlueWall: got to go soon, but in case you see this, UserProfilesHandlers.ClassifiedDelete() looks accidentally unimplemented
2014-07-19 00:28 <Misterblue> whew.... I have a few other things I've promised this weekend
2014-07-19 00:28 <justincc> BlueWall: I was going to do it myself, but it wasn't obvious what result should be returned if the op was not successful
2014-07-19 00:29 <justincc> ok, in fact it is time to go now.  Have a good night, everyone
2014-07-19 00:42 <osmantis> Bug #7270:04 Exception when contacting presence server (not enough free sockets?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7270 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-19 01:01 <osmantis> Bug #6020:04 Failed logins with "did not accept compressed transfer" message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6020 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-19 01:40 <osmantis> Bug #7270:04 Exception when contacting presence server (not enough free sockets?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7270 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-19 01:56 <osmantis> Bug #7270:04 Exception when contacting presence server (not enough free sockets?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7270 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-19 02:00 <osmantis> Bug #7226:04 [PATCH]Bulletsim-- Implement Vehicle Reference Frame. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7226 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-19 02:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #3704 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-19 02:08 <osmantis> Bug #7235:04 [PATCH]Bulletsim-- Implement VEHICLE_FLAG_LIMIT_ROLL_ONLY into the first and default Vertical Attractor. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7235 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-20 17:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #3705 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-20 17:41 <lkalif> that's one long setting name ;)
2014-07-20 17:45 <Misterblue> LOL... I'm going for a record :)
2014-07-20 17:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3705: SUCCESS in 8 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3705/
2014-07-20 17:45 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: Modify first and default vehicle vertical attractor to be feature complete with use of the Limit Roll Only Flag.
2014-07-20 17:45 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Add code to GridService to check for overlapping of varregions
2014-07-20 17:46 <Misterblue> SprssVROvlpCkOnReg didn't seem right
2014-07-20 17:46 <osmantis> Bug #7273:04 Territory conflicts with varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7273 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-20 17:51 <zadarkAlt1> Anyone know if viewers check the date of items in the inventory cache, can items become stale and an update requested?
2014-07-20 18:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #3706 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-20 18:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3706: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3706/
2014-07-20 18:05 <osjenkins> misterblue: Set "[Terrain]SendTerrainUpdatesByViewDistance=true" by default.
2014-07-20 19:32 <Bwild> zadarkAlt1, nut
2014-07-20 19:32 <Bwild> oops, ssry
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2014-07-20 20:47 <osmantis> Bug #7270:04 Exception when contacting presence server (not enough free sockets?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7270 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-20 21:30 <osmantis> Bug #7127:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://inventory.ossgrid.org:80/helo/: Remote server returned an error: (404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-21 00:59 <nebadon> Misterblue ping
2014-07-21 01:00 <Misterblue> nebadon: pong
2014-07-21 01:01 <nebadon> hey quick question about your recent patch for var overlaps
2014-07-21 01:01 <nebadon> say i have a normal 256m region out on the grid
2014-07-21 01:01 <nebadon> and someone parks a varregion next to me and overlaps me
2014-07-21 01:01 <nebadon> do we check for that?
2014-07-21 01:01 <nebadon> or is it just checking for 256's inside of a var
2014-07-21 01:02 <nebadon> which was the original problem, i just wonder if we thought about the reverse
2014-07-21 01:02 <Misterblue> in checks for that...
2014-07-21 01:02 <dan_banner> it looks like it checks both ways doesnt it?
2014-07-21 01:02 <nebadon> someone using vars to block noramals
2014-07-21 01:02 <nebadon> ok great
2014-07-21 01:02 <Misterblue> makes sure the new region doesn't have varregions that overlap it
2014-07-21 01:02 <nebadon> osgrid is updated
2014-07-21 01:02 <Misterblue> and checks to make sure there aren't any existing regions the new varregion overlaps
2014-07-21 01:02 <nebadon> great
2014-07-21 01:02 <dan_banner> cool
2014-07-21 01:03 <dan_banner> it does work shez tested it
2014-07-21 01:03 <Misterblue> I was afraid of old region entries, though
2014-07-21 01:03 <Misterblue> doesn't OSGrid delete unused region entries after a while?
2014-07-21 01:04 <dan_banner> we clean up occasionally
2014-07-21 01:04 <nebadon> we do ya
2014-07-21 01:04 <Misterblue> the code even checks for the case where you're resizing (enlarging) an existing region... it makes sure it doesn't overlap other, existing regions
2014-07-21 01:04 <nebadon> and just so you know OSgrid is aprox 690 sqkm
2014-07-21 01:05 <nebadon> about 100sq km smaller than NYC
2014-07-21 01:05 <nebadon> hehe
2014-07-21 01:06 <Misterblue> NYC today, tomorrow the world!!
2014-07-21 01:07 <nebadon> hehe
2014-07-21 01:07 <nebadon> the united states alone is 3.1 million sq km
2014-07-21 01:07 <nebadon> 3.71 that is
2014-07-21 01:09 <Misterblue> need to add that feature that inWorldz has which sleeps inactive regions until someone arrives... then you can have gigantic spaces in one simulator
2014-07-21 02:33 <smxy> Kitely has that feature too.
2014-07-21 03:27 <Bwild> ok, so what about those grid ports? where did you get those from?
2014-07-21 03:27 <Bwild> only grids use 8002...8003 for logins
2014-07-21 03:28 <Bwild> and for that you must use a robust or simian server for logins
2014-07-21 03:28 <Bwild> if you are running your own grid
2014-07-21 03:28 <Bwild> oops, wrong channel srry
2014-07-21 03:47 <Ken_S> Misterblue, I have several AV names in the ban list in about land and in region section, but they are still able to get on the sim and stay there as long as they want.
2014-07-21 03:47 <Ken_S> Is this a known issue?
2014-07-21 03:56 <osmantis> Bug #7274:04 Users added to land and region ban list are still able to go to a var and stay as long as they want. Have not tested on non var 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7274 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-21 04:03 <osmantis> Bug #7274:04 Users added to land and region ban list are still able to go to a var and stay as long as they want. Have not tested on non var 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7274 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-21 04:18 <osmantis> Bug #7274:04 Users added to land and region ban list are still able to go to a var and stay as long as they want. Have not tested on non var 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7274 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-07-21 08:32 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-21 11:52 <osmantis> Bug #7033:04 Warp3D [Map] section entries in OpenSim.ini.example needed for RenderMeshes (and possibly UseAntiAliasing) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7033 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-07-21 11:53 <osmantis> Bug #7033:04 Warp3D [Map] section entries in OpenSim.ini.example needed for RenderMeshes (and possibly UseAntiAliasing) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7033 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-21 11:53 <osmantis> Bug #7033:04 Warp3D [Map] section entries in OpenSim.ini.example needed for RenderMeshes (and possibly UseAntiAliasing) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7033 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-21 11:58 <djphil> keygruin you there ?
2014-07-21 12:00 <osmantis> Bug #7023:04 Warp3d errors when (RenderMeshes = true) in [Map] section of OpenSim.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7023 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-21 12:02 <osmantis> Bug #7023:04 Warp3d errors when (RenderMeshes = true) in [Map] section of OpenSim.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7023 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-21 12:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #3707 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-21 12:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3707: SUCCESS in 7 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3707/
2014-07-21 12:28 <osjenkins> * orenh: Close streams immediately when we finish using them
2014-07-21 12:28 <osjenkins> * orenh: Eliminated some warnings
2014-07-21 12:28 <osjenkins> * orenh: Better logging of threadpool activity in Overload mode: if we didn't log "Queue threadfunc" for a particular thread then don't log "Run threadfunc" or "End threadfunc" for that thread either.
2014-07-21 12:28 <osjenkins> * orenh: Removed unused files: Texture/Mesh server connectors
2014-07-21 12:28 <osjenkins> * orenh: Fixed the logic that decides if a packet was queued (it was reversed)
2014-07-21 12:28 <osjenkins> * orenh: Added "debug packet --all" option, which changes the packet logging level for both current and future clients
2014-07-21 12:28 <osjenkins> * orenh: Include the group name in group IM's
2014-07-21 12:28 <osjenkins> * orenh: Write UDP statistics to the log, not just the console (e.g., "show queues")
2014-07-21 12:28 <osjenkins> * orenh: In "show throttles", show the maximum drip rate. This shows whether a client is being throttled due to past poor performance.
2014-07-21 12:28 <osjenkins> * orenh: Write some pCampBot messages to the log
2014-07-21 12:28 <osjenkins> * orenh: pCamBot: download Meshes
2014-07-21 12:28 <osjenkins> * orenh: Removed warning about YieldProlog
2014-07-21 12:28 <osjenkins> * orenh: Minor: changed "existant" to "existent"
2014-07-21 12:28 <osjenkins> * orenh: Eliminated common but un-useful log messages
2014-07-21 12:28 <osjenkins> * orenh: Added locking in AccessModule to prevent possible errors when shutting down a simulator that has >1 region
2014-07-21 12:28 <osjenkins> * orenh: Fixed problems if an avatar tries to cross regions when the previous cross hasn't completed yet
2014-07-21 12:28 <osjenkins> * orenh: Log RestClient requests similarly to WebClient (e.g, "debug http all 6" logs the entire request and response)
2014-07-21 12:31 <orenh> looks like osjenkins decided "enough is enough" and went home. There are a few more commits besides the ones it showed in IRC.
2014-07-21 12:31 <orenh> including a possible fix for the big problem of attachments disappearing after HG teleports
2014-07-21 12:32 <osmantis> Bug #7063:04 xbakes Robust.[HG].ini.example BaseDirectory = "/data/bakes" issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7063 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-21 12:32 <osmantis> Bug #7063:04 xbakes Robust.[HG].ini.example BaseDirectory = "/data/bakes" issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7063 ): has been REOPENED.
2014-07-21 12:33 <osmantis> Bug #7063:04 xbakes Robust.[HG].ini.example BaseDirectory = "/data/bakes" issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7063 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-21 12:34 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-21 12:36 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-21 12:37 <osmantis> Bug #7220:04 Hypergrid jump from OSGrid to Kitely Welcome Center confuses viewer / server about worn attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7220 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-21 14:05 <nebadon> nice, orenh we have another big load test tomorrow we should be able to test the HG attachment problem then for sure
2014-07-21 14:05 <nebadon> does that require both sides to be updated? or just the receiving end?
2014-07-21 14:05 <orenh> only the receiving side
2014-07-21 14:05 <nebadon> great
2014-07-21 14:05 <nebadon> thanks man, i'll let you know how it goes
2014-07-21 14:05 <orenh> well, we still need everyone to update...
2014-07-21 14:05 <nebadon> you are welcome to attend the load test if you want to see 
2014-07-21 14:06 <orenh> if I can. Where are the details (time and place)?
2014-07-21 14:06 <nebadon> the HG address is > http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 Keynote 1
2014-07-21 14:06 <nebadon> at 3pm PST after the Developer Office Hours meeting at Wright plaza at 2pm EST
2014-07-21 14:06 <nebadon> we all teleport over when its done
2014-07-21 14:07 <nebadon> sorry 
2014-07-21 14:07 <nebadon> 3pm EST not PST
2014-07-21 14:07 <orenh> ok
2014-07-21 14:07 <orenh> that's 10pm here
2014-07-21 14:07 <orenh> I will if I'm awake :)
2014-07-21 14:07 <nebadon> ok cool
2014-07-21 14:47 <osmantis> Bug #7275:04 [XBakes] read, store, read, store, read for unchanged avatar on every login 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7275 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-21 14:52 <osmantis> Bug #7275:04 [XBakes] read, store, read, store, read for unchanged avatar on every login 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7275 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-21 14:56 <osmantis> Bug #7275:04 [XBakes] read, store, read, store, read for unchanged avatar on every login 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7275 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-21 15:29 <osmantis> Bug #7275:04 [XBakes] read, store, read, store, read for unchanged avatar on every login 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7275 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-21 16:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #3708 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-21 16:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3708: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3708/
2014-07-21 16:46 <osjenkins> jamesh: Add missing parts to profiles - classified delete
2014-07-21 19:00 <smxy> orenh: Can I still set the xbakes directory to an absolute path?
2014-07-21 19:02 <smxy> Nice set of patches, too.
2014-07-21 19:39 <nebadon> smxy yes you can set path to anything you want
2014-07-21 19:57 <smxy> nebadon: great, thanks. Sure hope he nailed that attachment issue - so many people have complained about it. It'll be great to have it reduced to the viewer-side issue only - then maybe we can get those folks to fix that.
2014-07-21 19:58 <nebadon> ya we will know better tomorrow at the load test
2014-07-21 19:59 <nebadon> i havent updated CC grid yet, i am waiting to see if anymore patches sneak in, i know if i update now like 50 more patches will come through the second i finish updating
2014-07-21 19:59 <LiruCookies> smxy: fix what?
2014-07-21 20:10 <zadarkAlt1> nebadon: I am seeing a marked improvement with regards to the attachment issue. Good if you could update Wright Plaza so we can extend testing
2014-07-21 20:23 <zadarkAlt1> No worries, I forgot we have OSGrid region.
2014-07-21 20:57 <nebadon> ya we will be updating soon I am sure
2014-07-21 20:57 <nebadon> i want to have Wright Plaza updated at least for the meeting tomorrow
2014-07-21 20:57 <nebadon> later tonight if dan doesnt get to it first I will do Wright Plaza, and also the entire CC grid
2014-07-21 21:04 <smxy> LiruCookies: The viewer-side problem with attachments not appearing sometimes, unless you zoom in on them and then they appear.
2014-07-21 21:05 <smxy> nebadon: I know what you mean: you update and suddenly more commits happen. Seems like a cause and effect thing. :p
2014-07-21 21:06 <nebadon> hehe ya
2014-07-21 21:06 <nebadon> im updating the avacon grid now
2014-07-21 21:07 <nebadon> im pretty sure orenh and justincc wont be making any more patches today
2014-07-21 21:07 <nebadon> its getting late in EU
2014-07-21 21:16 <nebadon> uhh
2014-07-21 21:17 <nebadon> ran into problems updating avacon grid
2014-07-21 21:17 <nebadon> this is not good
2014-07-21 21:17 <nebadon> this means i cant update CC grid either
2014-07-21 21:18 <nebadon> GRR WTF
2014-07-21 21:19 <nebadon> orenh removed important stuff
2014-07-21 21:19 <AliciaRaven> whats gone wrong nebadon?
2014-07-21 21:19 <nebadon> he removed the texture and mesh server connecotrs
2014-07-21 21:19 <nebadon> sigh
2014-07-21 21:20 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=f6ea5088f4cc76eddb05b20b5d768f761b0fbd15
2014-07-21 21:20 <nebadon> anyone know how i can easily rever this?
2014-07-21 21:20 <nebadon> can't beleive he removed this stuff
2014-07-21 21:21 <nebadon> Melanie_ ping
2014-07-21 21:21 <nebadon> or maybe Misterblue
2014-07-21 21:21 <nebadon> or anyone who can help heh
2014-07-21 21:21 <nebadon> this needs to get fixed right away if possible
2014-07-21 21:21 <zadarkAlt1> git reset hard thing
2014-07-21 21:22 <Melanie_> pong
2014-07-21 21:22 <nebadon> that patch above needs to be reverted
2014-07-21 21:22 <nebadon> orenh removed important stuff
2014-07-21 21:26 <smxy> He said they weren't used. 
2014-07-21 21:27 <nebadon> yes, he unfortunately is wrong
2014-07-21 21:27 <nebadon> they arent used by default configurations
2014-07-21 21:27 <nebadon> but that doesnt mean no one uses them
2014-07-21 21:27 <smxy> I'm sure he wouldn't have if he knew they were, so he must have missed where they are used, somehow.
2014-07-21 21:27 <nebadon> ya it wasnt malicious but no one should really be removing code without asking
2014-07-21 21:27 <nebadon> he should have asked on mailing lists or here
2014-07-21 21:28 <nebadon> no big deal, it just needs to be reverted
2014-07-21 21:28 <nebadon> no real harm
2014-07-21 21:28 <nebadon> cool thanks, melanie?
2014-07-21 21:28 <smxy> At least he correctly made separate commits for his changes, so that one can be reverted by itself.
2014-07-21 21:28 <nebadon> yea
2014-07-21 21:28 <nebadon> ok let me test
2014-07-21 21:29 <smxy> Thanks for the quick response, Melanie_ :)
2014-07-21 21:30 <nebadon> yep, thanks a bunch Melanie_ im to terrified to try reverting someone elses code
2014-07-21 21:30 <nebadon> id end up breaking something 
2014-07-21 21:30 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-21 21:30 <smxy> hehe
2014-07-21 21:30 <Melanie_> no worries
2014-07-21 21:30 <Melanie_> i know a bit of git
2014-07-21 21:30 <smxy> Fixed, nebadon?
2014-07-21 21:31 <nebadon> yes
2014-07-21 21:31 <nebadon> i'll spank orenh later :P
2014-07-21 21:31 <smxy> hehe
2014-07-21 21:31 <smxy> Do it nicely - we still want him to fix stuff. :)
2014-07-21 21:32 <smxy> See? You updated and then there was another commit. :p
2014-07-21 21:32 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-21 21:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #3709 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-21 21:57 <Melanie_> justincc: do we know when mono fixed that?
2014-07-21 21:57 <Melanie_> mono 2.10 is still widely used, so if this a mono 3 fix, this will cause issues for some while solveing issues for others
2014-07-21 21:58 <justincc> From https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=468625#c1 it was for 2.4 in 2009 but don't know exact point
2014-07-21 21:59 <Ken_S> Since the ban list for sims and regions is not working, does anyone know of a good blacklist security orb of some kind?
2014-07-21 22:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3709: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3709/
2014-07-21 22:00 <osjenkins> * root: Revert "Removed unused files: Texture/Mesh server connectors"
2014-07-21 22:00 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Fix CPU processor use reporting on Mono.
2014-07-21 22:00 <justincc> who reverted that change?
2014-07-21 22:00 <Melanie_> Ken_S: who says region bans are not working? they've been working for ages
2014-07-21 22:01 <Melanie_> nebadon asked because osgrid uses these server connectors. i did the actual reverting for him
2014-07-21 22:01 <Ken_S> They arent working for me or smxy. We both tested yesterday
2014-07-21 22:01 <justincc> ok, but it shouldn't be done anonymously and should have that reason attached
2014-07-21 22:01 <Ken_S> I submitted a mantis for it yesterday
2014-07-21 22:02 <Melanie_> justincc: i had to do that locally and git personality was not set up there. that was only apparent when the deed was done. 
2014-07-21 22:02 <Ken_S> AVs in sim and region ban lists can come and go as they please.
2014-07-21 22:02 <Melanie_> and stupid git on brain started pico - i don't know jack about that editor, i didn't know to use VISUAL=vi
2014-07-21 22:02 <Melanie_> so i tried to abort and it saved instead
2014-07-21 22:03 <justincc> Melanie_: well, please post to the ml at least if orenh is not aware.  Having your code reverted without knowing why or who did it is a pita
2014-07-21 22:03 <nebadon> i plan on talking to him too justincc
2014-07-21 22:03 <Melanie_> Ken_S: what behavior exactly do you expect?
2014-07-21 22:03 <nebadon> he revertted code diva and i rely on
2014-07-21 22:03 <nebadon> so 
2014-07-21 22:03 <nebadon> he is the one at fault here
2014-07-21 22:03 <nebadon> not us
2014-07-21 22:03 <justincc> a removal isn't a revert, and it was obviously by mistake
2014-07-21 22:03 <Ken_S> I expect the AVs in the ban list to not be allowed into the sim they are banned from
2014-07-21 22:04 <justincc> nebadon: there's no fault game here, just letting people know why things are being done
2014-07-21 22:04 <Melanie_> justincc: if it had been actual code, maybe. but it was a removal which he should have proposed on the ml in the  first place to see if the code had users
2014-07-21 22:04 <nebadon> well i think it was only a mistake in he thought it wasnt being used and ya I dont think it was malicious or anything but he should have sent something to mailing list in regards to removing code
2014-07-21 22:04 <justincc> nebadon: I agree, so we should uphold that and say why it got reverted instaed of leaving him to wonder why
2014-07-21 22:04 <nebadon> otherwise this is what happens, i asked melanie to revert it because i was afraid id end up breaking the repo
2014-07-21 22:05 <Melanie_> Ken_S: what do you do to ban a user?
2014-07-21 22:05 <nebadon> oh ya that was the plan for sure
2014-07-21 22:05 <Melanie_> Ken_S: if you use about land, that is not the way
2014-07-21 22:05 <Melanie_> need to use region/estate
2014-07-21 22:05 <Ken_S> I enter their AV name in the About Land ban list, and also in the Region ban list to be safe, but
2014-07-21 22:05 <Ken_S> it has no effect
2014-07-21 22:05 <nebadon> estate ban should work
2014-07-21 22:05 <Melanie_> yes.
2014-07-21 22:05 <nebadon> i do not know if parcel bans work
2014-07-21 22:06 <Ken_S> Its not doing anything
2014-07-21 22:06 <nebadon> i kind of think they don't but ive been wrong before :)
2014-07-21 22:06 <Melanie_> land ban will not work if the "parcel" is the whole sim and the avatar teleports in
2014-07-21 22:06 <Melanie_> but estate bans certainly work
2014-07-21 22:06 <Ken_S> I have the AV names in both lists
2014-07-21 22:07 <Ken_S> The AV names are in the Estate ban list and also in the parcel ban list. The sim is a 9x9 var by the way.
2014-07-21 22:09 <Ken_S> Is estate ban list not working because it is a var possibly?
2014-07-21 22:09 <nebadon> and your sure you have permissions enabled?
2014-07-21 22:09 <nebadon> this person isnt a grid god right?
2014-07-21 22:09 <nebadon> you cant ban a grid god
2014-07-21 22:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #3710 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-21 22:09 <nebadon> and of course once i do start updating justincc just has to go and fix more stuff :P
2014-07-21 22:10 <Ken_S> Nebadon, they are normal users that have been causing problems.  Enable permissions where?
2014-07-21 22:10 <nebadon> i said to myself 1 hour again, its getting late in the EU justin and orenh are probably done for the day
2014-07-21 22:10 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-21 22:10 <justincc> nebadon: none of this is important except for the test tomorrow.  And there's at least one more change i want to do that will need to be there
2014-07-21 22:10 <nebadon> the permissions setion in the OpenSim.ini Ken_S i am assuming it is otherwise it would be chaos
2014-07-21 22:10 <justincc> don't you know by now I only just start around now in the eu? :)
2014-07-21 22:10 <nebadon> ok cool justincc i havent actually updated CC grid yet
2014-07-21 22:10 <nebadon> i started on avacon grid first
2014-07-21 22:10 <nebadon> well you said you were sick
2014-07-21 22:11 <nebadon> so i fooled myself into thinking you were resting
2014-07-21 22:11 <justincc> nebadon: ok yeah, if you could wait till shortyl before the test tomorrow that would be great
2014-07-21 22:11 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-21 22:11 <justincc> I am sick but performance testing is valuable enough that I want to get stuff in there before the next one
2014-07-21 22:11 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-21 22:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3710: SUCCESS in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3710/
2014-07-21 22:13 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Limit processor related stats to 3 decimal places instead of all the places.
2014-07-21 22:14 <nebadon> orenh might have fixed the HG teleport attachment issue
2014-07-21 22:14 <justincc> have you tested yet?
2014-07-21 22:14 <nebadon> i have gotten reports from testers that initial testing that its fixed
2014-07-21 22:14 <justincc> oh cool
2014-07-21 22:14 <nebadon> i havent myself but others have
2014-07-21 22:14 <nebadon> once avacon grid is updated i can test
2014-07-21 22:14 <Ken_S> Nebadon, yes all the normal things in the permissions section are enabled.
2014-07-21 22:15 <nebadon> things kind of came to a screeching halt with that code that got removed
2014-07-21 22:15 <nebadon> i couldnt get avacon grid started up after update
2014-07-21 22:15 <nebadon> so reverted, now im back to updating again
2014-07-21 22:15 <nebadon> ok Ken_S that is really odd
2014-07-21 22:15 <nebadon> Estate ban should work
2014-07-21 22:15 <nebadon> we use it all the time on the plazas
2014-07-21 22:16 <Ken_S> Are the plazas var regions though?
2014-07-21 22:16 <nebadon> ohh
2014-07-21 22:17 <nebadon> only sandbox plaza III is
2014-07-21 22:17 <Ken_S> I think thats the difference
2014-07-21 22:17 <nebadon> we probably have not tested that
2014-07-21 22:17 <nebadon> ok interesting
2014-07-21 22:17 <Ken_S> This means the vars are all unprotected
2014-07-21 22:17 <nebadon> Misterblue might be interested in that
2014-07-21 22:17 <nebadon> give me a bit i can test that too
2014-07-21 22:17 <nebadon> let me finish avacon grid first
2014-07-21 22:18 <Ken_S> OK, no problem but since it is a security issue I thought you should know.
2014-07-21 22:18 <nebadon> file a mantis
2014-07-21 22:18 <nebadon> or did you?
2014-07-21 22:21 <Ken_S> Nebadon
2014-07-21 22:21 <Ken_S> Yes I did, Ill get a link
2014-07-21 22:22 <Ken_S> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7274
2014-07-21 22:22 <nebadon> thanks
2014-07-21 22:31 <osmantis> Bug #7274:04 Users added to parcel & estate ban list are still able to go to a var and stay as long as they want. Have not tested on non var 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7274 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-07-21 22:32 <smxy> My testing of that was definitely in About Land on a full-region parcel for both var and non-var. I saw Melanie say that doesn't work, so I guess that test can be discounted.
2014-07-21 22:33 <smxy> Wish it DID work, though.
2014-07-21 22:34 <Ken_S> smxy, did you try an estate ban on a normal sim and on a var?
2014-07-21 22:34 <smxy> No. Just Parcel ban.
2014-07-21 22:35 <Ken_S> Try an estate ban on your var.  That apparently is supposed to work but doesnt
2014-07-21 22:35 <nebadon> I just tested HG teleport attachment fix
2014-07-21 22:35 <nebadon> does seem to actually work
2014-07-21 22:35 <smxy> sweet
2014-07-21 22:35 <smxy> Now we just need the whole Metaverse to update.
2014-07-21 22:36 <nebadon> let me do ultimate test
2014-07-21 22:36 <nebadon> the alien avatar
2014-07-21 22:36 <nebadon> 1 sec
2014-07-21 22:37 <nebadon> if you want to test you can HG to http://grid.avacon.org:8002 Staff Zone 1
2014-07-21 22:38 <nebadon> worked great
2014-07-21 22:38 <nebadon> not sure the Alien Avatar ever completely worked with HG
2014-07-21 22:38 <nebadon> let me log a second one 
2014-07-21 22:39 <smxy> justincc: Can this attachment fix be push to an 0.8.0 update? It's been a major complaint of folks.
2014-07-21 22:39 <smxy> pushed*
2014-07-21 22:39 <justincc> maybe, but not right now
2014-07-21 22:39 <smxy> er, rather, a frequent complaint, I should say.
2014-07-21 22:40 <smxy> No, not this minute. :)
2014-07-21 22:40 <nebadon> my samurai made it too
2014-07-21 22:41 <smxy> Nice.
2014-07-21 22:43 <nebadon> Justincc i'll put the CC grid update off until about an hour to 30 minutes before the wp meeting
2014-07-21 22:43 <nebadon> i dont want to be too distracted at the meeting if possible
2014-07-21 22:51 <nebadon> danbanner be good to get plazas updated soon too, not sure if you saw or not but orenh fixed the HG teleport attachment issue
2014-07-21 22:51 <danbanner> ya i saw that
2014-07-21 22:51 <nebadon> working good for me
2014-07-21 22:51 <danbanner> k
2014-07-21 22:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #3711 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-21 22:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3711: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3711/
2014-07-21 22:58 <osjenkins> jjustincc: On login and first HG entrance to a foreign grid, perform query access checks before proceeding.
2014-07-21 22:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #3712 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-21 23:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3712: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3712/
2014-07-21 23:03 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: convert tabs to spaces that got in on recent commit 4a9282e
2014-07-21 23:24 <osmantis> Bug #7270:04 Exception when contacting presence server (not enough free sockets?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7270 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-21 23:29 <osmantis> Bug #7270:04 Exception when contacting presence server (not enough free sockets?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7270 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-07-21 23:29 <osmantis> Bug #7270:04 Exception when contacting presence server (not enough free sockets?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7270 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2014-07-22 02:45 <osmantis> Bug #7230:04 Teleport into SW 256x256 area of a var causes terrain to load reverse order than normal. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7230 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-22 02:48 <osmantis> Bug #7274:04 Users added to parcel & estate ban list are still able to go to a var and stay as long as they want. Have not tested on non var 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7274 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-22 02:59 <osmantis> Bug #7276:04 Can no longer login direct, or HG to a variable-sized (>256) region. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7276 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-22 03:14 <nebadon> zadarkAlt1 ping
2014-07-22 03:14 <zadarkAlt1> nebadon: Hi
2014-07-22 03:14 <nebadon> hey i suspect that bug report you filed
2014-07-22 03:14 <nebadon> your using old Grid.ini maybe?
2014-07-22 03:14 <nebadon> there is a reason older simulators shouldnt be connecting to vars
2014-07-22 03:15 <nebadon> you need to make sure its showing version 3
2014-07-22 03:15 <zadarkAlt1> I am teleporting between to simulators running dev/master
2014-07-22 03:15 <nebadon> check your Grid.ini files
2014-07-22 03:15 <nebadon> you should have > ConnectorProtocolVersion = "SIMULATION/0.3"
2014-07-22 03:16 <nebadon> if it says 0.2 the TP will fail 
2014-07-22 03:16 <zadarkAlt1> What about standalones?
2014-07-22 03:16 <nebadon> let me look
2014-07-22 03:16 <nebadon> i am not very familiar with standalong conf
2014-07-22 03:16 <nebadon> same thing
2014-07-22 03:16 <nebadon> but in Standalone.ini
2014-07-22 03:16 <zadarkAlt1> Mind you reverting to a commit prior to this, all is ok
2014-07-22 03:17 <nebadon> let me look at mantis again
2014-07-22 03:18 <nebadon> ah ok so very very new
2014-07-22 03:18 <nebadon> let me look closer at patch
2014-07-22 03:19 <zadarkAlt1> I did look for the ConnectorProtocolVersion  on the standalone config and could not find it
2014-07-22 03:19 <nebadon> your sure both sides have the proper version #?
2014-07-22 03:19 <nebadon> in Standalone.ini in config-include?
2014-07-22 03:19 <nebadon> are you coping over that entire folder everytime you upgrade?
2014-07-22 03:19 <zadarkAlt1> kk, let me check, i was looking in standalonecommon
2014-07-22 03:20 <nebadon> i suspect its correct if reverting to 1 version prior fixes it
2014-07-22 03:20 <nebadon> most likely is a break
2014-07-22 03:20 <nebadon> but i dont see why
2014-07-22 03:21 <zadarkAlt1> this is in standalone.ini  ConnectorProtocolVersion = "SIMULATION/0.3"
2014-07-22 03:21 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-22 03:21 <nebadon> it looks like he is doing a protocol version comparison
2014-07-22 03:21 <nebadon> not sure why it would fail, maybe  a formatting error
2014-07-22 03:21 <Ken_S> nebadon, on the estate ban issue... I changed the landing point to the far SE 256x256 area and the estate ban started working on the var again.
2014-07-22 03:22 <zadarkAlt1> thing is it may well be wise to revert the plazas
2014-07-22 03:22 <nebadon> odd Ken_S
2014-07-22 03:22 <Ken_S> It wont work when the landing point is set to the center of the 3x3 var
2014-07-22 03:22 <nebadon> but the SE?
2014-07-22 03:22 <nebadon> that is wierd
2014-07-22 03:22 <nebadon> SW would make sense
2014-07-22 03:22 <nebadon> but SE?
2014-07-22 03:23 <Ken_S> Yes, going to change it back and forth and retest a few times to be sure its repeatable.
2014-07-22 03:23 <Ken_S> Opps sorry I meant SW... same as where sim 1 would be located
2014-07-22 03:24 <nebadon> ok that makes sense
2014-07-22 03:24 <nebadon> bounds checking is failing
2014-07-22 03:24 <nebadon> more 256 hard coding i suspect
2014-07-22 03:24 <nebadon> Misterblue ping
2014-07-22 03:24 <nebadon> give me a second I will test that Ken_S to make sure
2014-07-22 03:25 <Ken_S> OK thanks Neb
2014-07-22 03:31 <nebadon> your just setting the landing zone in the parcel setting Ken_S?
2014-07-22 03:33 <nebadon> i just Estate banned my alt on OSgrid at UCI edu1
2014-07-22 03:33 <nebadon> its a 512x512
2014-07-22 03:33 <nebadon> i set the landing zone at like 384x384 or something
2014-07-22 03:33 <Ken_S> Yes in About Land 
2014-07-22 03:33 <nebadon> try to teleport in and says im banned
2014-07-22 03:33 <nebadon> i even double clicked on the map where the landing zone is aprox
2014-07-22 03:34 <Ken_S> That is really strange
2014-07-22 03:34 <Ken_S> This is a 3x3 sim area var
2014-07-22 03:34 <Ken_S> The landing point was originally in the very center of the var
2014-07-22 03:35 <nebadon> that shouldnt matter honestly
2014-07-22 03:35 <nebadon> if it works past 256m
2014-07-22 03:35 <nebadon> it should technically work anywher
2014-07-22 03:35 <nebadon> its still the same sim really
2014-07-22 03:35 <nebadon> 384x384 is about the center of a 768 as well
2014-07-22 03:35 <nebadon> so its really the same thing
2014-07-22 03:36 <Ken_S> Yes, it should.
2014-07-22 03:37 <Ken_S> I am having a grid manager move the landing point back to the original spot and will check it again with an alt
2014-07-22 03:37 <Ken_S> Unless these 2 griefers have a way of getting around the security, idk what is going on.
2014-07-22 03:38 <nebadon> unlikely
2014-07-22 03:38 <nebadon> its all handled simulator side
2014-07-22 03:43 <Ken_S> Nebadon, I changed it back to the center sim and now its working again. Maybe one of the patches today changed it... idk
2014-07-22 03:46 <osmantis> Bug #7274:04 Users added to parcel & estate ban list are still able to go to a var and stay as long as they want. Have not tested on non var 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7274 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-22 03:47 <nebadon> hmmm very strange Ken_S maybe the region just needed to be restarted
2014-07-22 03:47 <osmantis> Bug #7274:04 Users added to parcel & estate ban list are still able to go to a var and stay as long as they want. Have not tested on non var 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7274 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-22 03:48 <Ken_S> idk, but Ive restarted it dozens of times over the last few weeks and the ban has never worked until today.
2014-07-22 03:55 <nebadon> how bizzare
2014-07-22 03:55 <nebadon> I would say double check your parcels in the database
2014-07-22 03:55 <nebadon> make sure your parcels do not exceed the region size itself
2014-07-22 03:55 <nebadon> in  terms of sqm
2014-07-22 03:57 <nebadon> however if that was true
2014-07-22 03:57 <nebadon> you would be seeing red erros when region starts
2014-07-22 03:57 <nebadon> about parcels overlapping basically
2014-07-22 03:57 <Ken_S> Yes I still see that left over from that old bug
2014-07-22 03:58 <Ken_S> Its always saying Cannot create My Parcel because ##### parcel is already there
2014-07-22 03:59 <nebadon> aha
2014-07-22 03:59 <Ken_S> Still not sure how to fix it
2014-07-22 03:59 <nebadon> that might be your problem
2014-07-22 03:59 <nebadon> look in the database
2014-07-22 03:59 <nebadon> there is usually still a parcel thats the entire size of the sim
2014-07-22 03:59 <nebadon> so basically you have complete overlap
2014-07-22 04:00 <nebadon> each parcel has its size in one of the fields
2014-07-22 04:00 <nebadon> if you have a 256m sim
2014-07-22 04:00 <nebadon> it will read 65534 sq m
2014-07-22 04:00 <nebadon> something like taht
2014-07-22 04:00 <nebadon> so if you have 10 parcels
2014-07-22 04:00 <nebadon> and one of them reads 65535 still
2014-07-22 04:00 <nebadon> you need to erase that parcel
2014-07-22 04:00 <nebadon> backup your database before erasing anything
2014-07-22 04:00 <nebadon> but thats how you fix it
2014-07-22 04:01 <Ken_S> I erased them all that were like that back when this bug first came up, but apparently more got back in there
2014-07-22 04:01 <nebadon> hmm
2014-07-22 04:01 <Ken_S> Ill check it again tomorrow
2014-07-22 04:01 <nebadon> ya or you didnt get them all
2014-07-22 04:01 <nebadon> which is possibility
2014-07-22 04:01 <Ken_S> Possibly. With 200+ sims I may have missed a few
2014-07-22 04:01 <nebadon> heh ya
2014-07-22 04:01 <nebadon> thats a lot of simulators
2014-07-22 04:02 <nebadon> more than i manage 
2014-07-22 04:02 <nebadon> between like 5 grids
2014-07-22 04:02 <nebadon> hehe
2014-07-22 04:02 <Ken_S> Yea, but mine never have any load to speak of so thats why it works lol
2014-07-22 04:02 <nebadon> however if it wasnt for vars
2014-07-22 04:02 <nebadon> id be way ahead of you
2014-07-22 04:02 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-22 04:02 <Ken_S> Probably!
2014-07-22 04:03 <nebadon> id probably have about 1000 regions
2014-07-22 04:04 <Ken_S> I am not sure how many I would have if I counted the vars as multiple sims
2014-07-22 04:04 <Ken_S> Need to add them up someday lol
2014-07-22 04:05 <nebadon> there is a new grid command
2014-07-22 04:05 <nebadon> "show grid size"
2014-07-22 04:05 <nebadon> tells you the sqkm of your entire grid
2014-07-22 04:06 <nebadon> osgrid is 690 sq km
2014-07-22 04:06 <nebadon> roughly the size of NYC heh
2014-07-22 04:06 <Mippy> Hello nebadon
2014-07-22 04:06 <nebadon> hi Mippy
2014-07-22 04:07 <Mippy> How's things?
2014-07-22 04:07 <nebadon> good, keeping busy :)
2014-07-22 04:07 <Mippy> 
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2014-07-22 04:08 <nebadon> how are things with you?
2014-07-22 04:09 <Mippy> Going well. Still struggling with connecting my region lol
2014-07-22 04:10 <nebadon> whats the problem? any errors?
2014-07-22 04:10 <Mippy> None.  Just cannot get outside folks to connect.  
2014-07-22 04:10 <Mippy> I detailed everything I have done:  http://mrmips.weebly.com/
2014-07-22 04:10 <nebadon> ok let me have a read
2014-07-22 04:10 <Mippy> Obliged
2014-07-22 04:11 <nebadon> - I have changed all these to my host computer's local IP address (192.168.1.xxx)
2014-07-22 04:11 <nebadon> this
2014-07-22 04:11 <nebadon> very wrong
2014-07-22 04:11 <nebadon> needs to be your external IP
2014-07-22 04:11 <nebadon> same as Regions.ini
2014-07-22 04:11 <nebadon> everything needs to be external
2014-07-22 04:11 <nebadon> never use internal address anywhere
2014-07-22 04:12 <nebadon> this is why only internal can connect
2014-07-22 04:12 <Mippy> Strange.  In the docs it says to use host computer's local IP
2014-07-22 04:12 <nebadon> well it will work for internal
2014-07-22 04:13 <nebadon> but not if you want others to connect
2014-07-22 04:13 <nebadon> not sure what instructions your looking at though
2014-07-22 04:13 <Mippy> The opensimulator configuration page
2014-07-22 04:13 <Mippy> I'd gladly read others :)
2014-07-22 04:14 <nebadon> have a link?
2014-07-22 04:14 <Mippy> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Configuration
2014-07-22 04:15 <nebadon> the only place i see it saying to do internal is for a standalone configuration
2014-07-22 04:15 <nebadon> which is the default opensimulator setup
2014-07-22 04:15 <nebadon> is technically for localhost or internal network only
2014-07-22 04:16 <nebadon> that guide really for people to get  an evaluation simulator setup
2014-07-22 04:16 <nebadon> not for setting up a grid or externally exposed setup
2014-07-22 04:16 <Mippy> I see.  Is there another guide you can direct me to?
2014-07-22 04:16 <nebadon> well just change all your Robust configurations to external
2014-07-22 04:16 <nebadon> and it will likely just work
2014-07-22 04:16 <nebadon> replace every place in any ini you set to an internal IP to external
2014-07-22 04:17 <Mippy> I will try.   Regarding regions.ini -- there is external host name and internal address -- I assume I keep the internal as 0.0.0.0 or local host?
2014-07-22 04:18 <nebadon> yes leave that at 0.0.0.0
2014-07-22 04:18 <nebadon> means all adapters
2014-07-22 04:18 <nebadon> ive never had any luck setting that and having things actually work
2014-07-22 04:19 <Mippy> ok. Going to attempt this now. Thanks very much.  
2014-07-22 04:19 <nebadon> no problem
2014-07-22 04:20 <Mippy> oh, one more thing -- when trying to connect externally, I give port 9000 , correct?
2014-07-22 04:20 <nebadon> this is standalone or grid mode?
2014-07-22 04:21 <Mippy> It is grid mode (though, not yet placed ON a grid)
2014-07-22 04:21 <nebadon> ya grid
2014-07-22 04:21 <nebadon> you connect too 8002
2014-07-22 04:21 <nebadon> in the loginURI
2014-07-22 04:21 <nebadon> unless you changed it
2014-07-22 04:21 <Mippy> Thanks!
2014-07-22 04:21 <nebadon> you can make the ports anything you want, as long as no other software is using those ports
2014-07-22 04:21 <nebadon> best to stick with the defaults as a beginier
2014-07-22 04:22 <nebadon> save your sanity, opensimulator is a long journey
2014-07-22 04:22 <nebadon> hehe
2014-07-22 04:23 <Mippy> I appreciate the encouragement :)
2014-07-22 04:28 <Mippy> In gridcommon.ini.  -- the lines regarding port 8003 -- those remain local? 
2014-07-22 04:32 <nebadon> no
2014-07-22 04:32 <nebadon> you cant use any internal adresses
2014-07-22 04:33 <nebadon> especially if your considering hypergrid
2014-07-22 04:33 <nebadon> everything must match up
2014-07-22 04:33 <nebadon> only place you leave localhost is the mysql connection string
2014-07-22 04:33 <Mippy> ok. Then I guess I have to open port 8003?
2014-07-22 04:33 <nebadon> yes
2014-07-22 04:33 <nebadon> and 8002
2014-07-22 04:34 <Mippy> 8002 and 9000 open already.  ok. thanks again
2014-07-22 04:34 <nebadon> any ports that you come across in the configurations
2014-07-22 04:34 <nebadon> 1 sec
2014-07-22 04:35 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Network_Settings
2014-07-22 04:35 <nebadon> have a look at this
2014-07-22 04:35 <nebadon> hmm wait
2014-07-22 04:35 <nebadon> thats not the one i thought it was
2014-07-22 04:36 <Mippy> ok
2014-07-22 04:37 <nebadon> hmm i swear we used to have a page on the wiki that had breakdown of ports
2014-07-22 04:38 <nebadon> oh it is there
2014-07-22 04:38 <nebadon> its at the bottom
2014-07-22 04:38 <Mippy> ok.. looking now
2014-07-22 04:38 <nebadon> ok i guess the question also becomes is do you want to connect regions from other machines
2014-07-22 04:39 <nebadon> if you don't
2014-07-22 04:39 <nebadon> then 8003 doesnt need to be open
2014-07-22 04:39 <Mippy> oh. 
2014-07-22 04:39 <nebadon> not to the outside world anyway
2014-07-22 04:39 <nebadon> just between the robust and opensim instances
2014-07-22 04:39 <nebadon> what you should do is make a firewall rule
2014-07-22 04:40 <nebadon> that says only your ip address has access to 8003
2014-07-22 04:40 <nebadon> whitelist your ip address basically or any machines ip address that would be connecting regions
2014-07-22 04:40 <Mippy> only local access, yes... just set that.
2014-07-22 04:40 <nebadon> ok 
2014-07-22 04:40 <nebadon> cool glad its working
2014-07-22 04:41 <Mippy> We shall see.  going to test now .. soon as I find someone who wants to .. lol
2014-07-22 04:41 <nebadon> ah ok
2014-07-22 04:50 <nebadon> hey there orenh
2014-07-22 04:51 <nebadon> we reverted one of your patches
2014-07-22 04:51 <nebadon> this one > http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=f6ea5088f4cc76eddb05b20b5d768f761b0fbd15
2014-07-22 04:51 <nebadon> this is indeed used, just not in the default configurations
2014-07-22 04:51 <nebadon> the OSCC grid uses it as do other grids i run
2014-07-22 04:52 <nebadon> we run dedicated Robust texture servers
2014-07-22 04:52 <nebadon> and use caps to divert texture requests away from simulators
2014-07-22 04:52 <orenh> aha, good to know
2014-07-22 04:52 <orenh> I didn't see any references to these files so I assumed they weren't needed
2014-07-22 04:52 <nebadon> ya anytime your going to remove stuff its good to email the dev group
2014-07-22 04:53 <orenh> sure
2014-07-22 04:53 <nebadon> ya no worries
2014-07-22 05:08 <Mippy> Back.  Friend could not connect. Error was region not found.  Perhaps I'm giving the wrong URL 
2014-07-22 05:09 <nebadon> make sure you are setting the default region
2014-07-22 05:09 <nebadon> the loginURI will be http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:8002
2014-07-22 05:09 <nebadon> in Robust.ini you need to set the default region
2014-07-22 05:10 <nebadon> so if your region is named "Welcome Area"
2014-07-22 05:10 <nebadon> you would do > Region_Welcome_Area = "DefaultRegion, FallbackRegion"
2014-07-22 05:11 <nebadon> in [GridService] section
2014-07-22 05:11 <Mippy> So, they use that URI and not "-loginuri http://my.external.IP.address:8000"   - ignore the -loginuri part , unless using command line ? 
2014-07-22 05:11 <nebadon> read the descriptions in that section
2014-07-22 05:11 <nebadon> -loginuri is no longer valid
2014-07-22 05:11 <nebadon> what viewer are you using?
2014-07-22 05:11 <nebadon> you should be using the grid manager
2014-07-22 05:11 <Mippy> ok.   I'm getting people to use Singularity with grid mananger
2014-07-22 05:11 <Mippy> yes
2014-07-22 05:12 <nebadon> yes Singularity is a good start
2014-07-22 05:12 <Mippy> ok... ty
2014-07-22 05:14 <Mippy> My regions.ini file is pretty sparse.  Know where I can view a fuller one? 
2014-07-22 05:14 <nebadon> there is not much too it
2014-07-22 05:14 <nebadon> there should be a Regions.ini.example some where
2014-07-22 05:14 <nebadon> let me look
2014-07-22 05:14 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=viewblob&p=opensim&h=d808e9a7f8cedf6dce8505c2a28437ac3689061d&hb=f6ea5088f4cc76eddb05b20b5d768f761b0fbd15&f=bin/Regions/Regions.ini.example
2014-07-22 05:14 <Mippy> Thanks again.  there is no service section in the one I have, nor the examples I've found
2014-07-22 05:15 <nebadon> there should be a Regions.ini.example in /bin/Regions
2014-07-22 05:15 <nebadon> no that is in Robust.ini
2014-07-22 05:15 <Mippy> 
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2014-07-22 05:15 <nebadon> not Regions.ini
2014-07-22 05:15 <Mippy> oh, I see.  
2014-07-22 05:15 <nebadon> restart robust once you make changes
2014-07-22 05:16 <Mippy> So, I am setting default region in robust. ini... thanks.
2014-07-22 05:16 <nebadon> yes
2014-07-22 05:16 <nebadon> its explained in great detail there at the header of that section
2014-07-22 05:16 <nebadon> [GridService]
2014-07-22 05:17 <Mippy> ty
2014-07-22 05:22 <Mippy> so:   Region_regionname= "DefaultRegion, FallbackRegion"
2014-07-22 05:26 <nebadon> yeps
2014-07-22 05:29 <Mippy> ok.  Any other region settings? 
2014-07-22 05:40 <nebadon> hmm dont think so
2014-07-22 05:46 <nebadon> well i am off to bed, its 1:45am here
2014-07-22 05:46 <nebadon> good luck Mippy
2014-07-22 05:46 <nebadon> let us know how it goes :)
2014-07-22 05:47 <Mippy> Will do.  No one is on to test now, so... another time.. lol
2014-07-22 05:48 <Mippy> Thanks for all your help nebadon 
2014-07-22 09:51 <osmantis> Bug #7277:04 OSGrid add on region release - StopScriptStrategy co-op seems to prevent regions with scripts being enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7277 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-22 09:52 <osmantis> Bug #7277:04 OSGrid add on region release - ScriptStopStrategy co-op seems to prevent regions with scripts being enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7277 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-07-22 09:54 <osmantis> Bug #7277:04 OSGrid add on region release - ScriptStopStrategy co-op seems to prevent regions with scripts being enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7277 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-07-22 10:11 <osmantis> Bug #7277:04 OSGrid add on region release - ScriptStopStrategy co-op seems to prevent regions with scripts being enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7277 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-22 10:20 <osmantis> Bug #7277:04 OSGrid add on region release - ScriptStopStrategy co-op seems to prevent regions with scripts being enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7277 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-07-22 10:41 <osmantis> Bug #7277:04 OSGrid add on region release - ScriptStopStrategy co-op seems to prevent regions with scripts being enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7277 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-22 10:48 <osmantis> Bug #7277:04 OSGrid add on region release - ScriptStopStrategy co-op seems to prevent regions with scripts being enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7277 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-07-22 10:54 <osmantis> Bug #7277:04 OSGrid add on region release - ScriptStopStrategy co-op seems to prevent regions with scripts being enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7277 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-07-22 11:21 <osmantis> Bug #7277:04 OSGrid add on region release - ScriptStopStrategy co-op seems to prevent regions with scripts being enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7277 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-22 11:25 <osmantis> Bug #7277:04 OSGrid add on region release - ScriptStopStrategy co-op seems to prevent regions with scripts being enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7277 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-07-22 11:32 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-22 12:02 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-22 12:45 <smxy> Two of my grid's three residents have had instances of things just going missing. They login and notice something is gone. In one case, it was a bunch of furniture, a couple of months ago. Then the other day, the same person found a building missing. Today, another user said a sign-board disappeared. I have no idea how to figure this out. In the 3 1/2 years I've been running the grid, I've 
2014-07-22 12:45 <smxy> never had anything go "poof". I get a handful of users and things start disappearing. How to I track down what's happening? 
2014-07-22 12:47 <nebadon> I have not seen that happen either lately smxy
2014-07-22 12:48 <nebadon> one thing that can do it is if you ctrl+c the console without typing backup first
2014-07-22 12:48 <nebadon> thats really only way off the top of my head i could think something like that may happen
2014-07-22 12:49 <nebadon> if someone was erasing the content they would get a message that it was returned, though i suppose someone with god powers could take the stuff and no one would know
2014-07-22 12:49 <nebadon> your still running mono 3.6?
2014-07-22 12:50 <nebadon> could also be a problem perhaps, though I havent seen that happen I dont think on my regions running newer mono
2014-07-22 12:54 <osmantis> Bug #7277:04 OSGrid add on region release - ScriptStopStrategy co-op seems to prevent regions with scripts being enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7277 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-22 12:54 <smxy> yes, still runnimg 3.6.1
2014-07-22 12:56 <osmantis> Bug #7277:04 OSGrid add on region release - ScriptStopStrategy co-op seems to prevent regions with scripts being enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7277 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-22 13:03 <smxy> nebadon: I do restart the one user's regions, nightly, by having cron stuff a shutdown into the screen window (and then because it's in a loop, it restarts). I don't do that for the other user though.
2014-07-22 13:04 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-22 13:08 <nebadon> thats your problem
2014-07-22 13:08 <nebadon> absolutely no doubt in my mind
2014-07-22 13:08 <nebadon> killing a regions pid without first typing backup on the cosole is a recipe for disaster
2014-07-22 13:08 <nebadon> you will eventually start loosing content
2014-07-22 13:08 <nebadon> its like russian roulette
2014-07-22 13:09 <nebadon> you might get a few times when you dont fire a bullet, but eventually its going to happen
2014-07-22 13:09 <nebadon> though wait, your doing a proper shutdown
2014-07-22 13:10 <nebadon> your not just killing it?
2014-07-22 13:10 <nebadon> how are you getting a cron to type on the console?
2014-07-22 13:11 <smxy> using screen's stuff command
2014-07-22 13:11 <nebadon> oh
2014-07-22 13:11 <nebadon> i would suggest you stuff a backup  command first
2014-07-22 13:11 <nebadon> then do a shutdown
2014-07-22 13:11 <nebadon> possible the shutdown is aborting or something
2014-07-22 13:12 <smxy> I think I'm doing that right before my automated ORS every night, but not before restarts.
2014-07-22 13:12 <nebadon> im surprised this is reliable enough to do it this way
2014-07-22 13:12 <smxy> I'll try that.
2014-07-22 13:12 <smxy> OARs*
2014-07-22 13:12 <nebadon> does it ever hang on shutdown?
2014-07-22 13:12 <smxy> Nope.
2014-07-22 13:13 <nebadon> thats good, im surprised though kind of
2014-07-22 13:13 <nebadon> not that i would expect it to hang everytime
2014-07-22 13:13 <nebadon> but ive had my regions hang occaisonally on shutdown
2014-07-22 13:13 <smxy> That did used to be an issue a couple years back.
2014-07-22 13:14 <nebadon> ya I cant really say ive seen it recently come to think of it
2014-07-22 13:14 <nebadon> hard to say, i manage so many damn regions and grids
2014-07-22 13:15 <nebadon> this could however be a sign that your machine is having threading issues too
2014-07-22 13:16 <nebadon> though you would think there might be some more indication of that on the console
2014-07-22 13:16 <smxy> yeah, before I make the OAR, I have it stuff an 'fcache assets', sleep 30 seconds, then a 'backup, sleep 30 seconds, then create the OAR.
2014-07-22 13:16 <nebadon> in your OpenSim.ini what do you have max threads set too?
2014-07-22 13:16 <nebadon>     MaxPoolThreads
2014-07-22 13:17 <nebadon> this setting in [Startup]
2014-07-22 13:17 <smxy> Min/Max PoolThreads 48/128
2014-07-22 13:17 <nebadon> ok that should be plenty
2014-07-22 13:18 <nebadon> what about the mono gc pool?
2014-07-22 13:18 <nebadon> are you setting this in .bashrc?
2014-07-22 13:19 <smxy> This is being set and exported in the script that actually runs the sim: MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU=2048 MONO_GC_PARAMS=nursery-size=64m
2014-07-22 13:19 <nebadon> ok good
2014-07-22 13:19 <nebadon> ya I am just not sure, the nightly backup is the only thing jumping out
2014-07-22 13:19 <nebadon> technically a proper shutdown should trigger a datastore
2014-07-22 13:19 <smxy> restart
2014-07-22 13:19 <nebadon> your typing restart?
2014-07-22 13:19 <nebadon> not shutdown?
2014-07-22 13:20 <smxy> no, I think you meant the nightly restart, noit the nightly backup. :)
2014-07-22 13:20 <nebadon> oh ya duh lol
2014-07-22 13:20 <nebadon> sorry
2014-07-22 13:20 <smxy> I'll do the restart the way I do the backup. with the fcache assets and the backup commands first.
2014-07-22 13:20 <nebadon> only thing i can think is maybe your shutdowns are aborting sometimes
2014-07-22 13:20 <nebadon> and missing datastores
2014-07-22 13:21 <nebadon> like some kind of stacktrace your not seeing
2014-07-22 13:21 <nebadon> would not be unheard of
2014-07-22 13:21 <osmantis> Bug #7277:04 OSGrid add on region release - ScriptStopStrategy co-op seems to prevent regions with scripts being enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7277 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-22 13:22 <osmantis> Bug #7276:04 Can no longer login direct, or HG to a variable-sized (>256) region. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7276 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-22 13:22 <osmantis> Bug #7277:04 OSGrid add on region release - ScriptStopStrategy co-op seems to prevent regions with scripts being enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7277 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-22 13:24 <smxy> logging into a var is broken? If so, I can't update. 
2014-07-22 13:31 <smxy> I hope Justin fixes that today. I really want to update.
2014-07-22 13:37 <nebadon> I haventy experienced that problem myself
2014-07-22 13:37 <nebadon> i havent updated any vars
2014-07-22 13:37 <nebadon> actually i did one
2014-07-22 13:37 <nebadon> lt me try
2014-07-22 13:39 <nebadon> ah ya I didnt update enough for that one particular patch
2014-07-22 13:40 <nebadon> that patch came right after i updated
2014-07-22 13:40 <nebadon> smxy if you want to update
2014-07-22 13:40 <nebadon> use this hash 1 sec
2014-07-22 13:40 <nebadon> 3355bedaeb26b07b6b91c5de194991acaf2cdf36
2014-07-22 13:41 <nebadon> that will get you to right before the break
2014-07-22 13:41 <nebadon> and you will only be missing 2 patches from head
2014-07-22 13:41 <nebadon> neither of which is really important
2014-07-22 13:43 <nebadon> Justin will be showing up shortly I supsect, he said he was probably going to squeeze a few more patches in this morning before load test
2014-07-22 13:43 <nebadon> he is going to have to fix that problem before i can update too
2014-07-22 13:54 <smxy> One of these days, I'm going to have to update my build script to let me build more thn just HEAD.
2014-07-22 13:55 <nebadon> use your update script
2014-07-22 13:55 <nebadon> then go into the folder and do > git reset --hard 3355bedaeb26b07b6b91c5de194991acaf2cdf36
2014-07-22 13:55 <nebadon> and recompile
2014-07-22 13:56 <smxy> Got to fit that in with how I do it. I do a git pull, then I check out master to an empty working directory, then I build in there. Perhaps I can just run that in the working directory.
2014-07-22 14:06 <osmantis> Bug #7277:04 OSGrid add on region release - ScriptStopStrategy co-op seems to prevent regions with scripts being enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7277 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-22 14:07 <Ken_S> What time is the load test today?
2014-07-22 14:12 <nebadon> 3pm EST
2014-07-22 14:41 <osmantis> Bug #7277:04 OSGrid add on region release - ScriptStopStrategy co-op seems to prevent regions with scripts being enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7277 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-22 16:11 <nebadon> http://conference.opensimulator.org/2014/opensimulator-community-conference-announces-principal-scientist-at-oculus-vr-as-keynote-speaker/
2014-07-22 16:44 <smxy> Nice catch. :)
2014-07-22 17:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #3713 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-22 17:06 <nebadon> anything more coming through justincc?
2014-07-22 17:06 <justincc> ok zadarkAlt1 please try that.  I reproduced the failure and the fix on my local system
2014-07-22 17:06 <justincc> one moment
2014-07-22 17:06 <zadarkAlt1> justincc: Updating now
2014-07-22 17:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3713: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3713/
2014-07-22 17:09 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix recent regression in 3c6becd5 where login or hg login to variable sized regions failed with outdated simulator message.
2014-07-22 17:11 <justincc> nebadon: nothing worth waiting for.  Where do you copy the OpenSim.exe.config from? I would like to eliminate that errant newline this time
2014-07-22 17:14 <nebadon> oh ya i havent done that
2014-07-22 17:14 <nebadon> do the one in the symlink
2014-07-22 17:14 <nebadon> i'll start updating
2014-07-22 17:14 <nebadon> let me know when your done updating them
2014-07-22 17:14 <nebadon> in /home/avacon/robust and /home/avacon/opensim
2014-07-22 17:14 <zadarkAlt1> justincc: Fix  on standalone looks good, just awaiting the grid part to finish updating..
2014-07-22 17:15 <justincc> thanks
2014-07-22 17:15 <justincc> I actually tested on grid so hopefully that's ok
2014-07-22 17:15 <justincc> nebadon: which symlink?
2014-07-22 17:16 <nebadon> those to places above
2014-07-22 17:16 <nebadon> are symlinks to the version im using
2014-07-22 17:16 <nebadon> two*
2014-07-22 17:16 <nebadon> <nebadon> in /home/avacon/robust and /home/avacon/opensim
2014-07-22 17:16 <justincc> keynote 4 isn't a symlink
2014-07-22 17:16 <justincc> ah I see sorry
2014-07-22 17:16 <nebadon> no in those 2 locations above
2014-07-22 17:16 <justincc> ok
2014-07-22 17:18 <justincc> ok, robust1 was already done but I've done the opensim one
2014-07-22 17:18 <nebadon> ok cool
2014-07-22 17:19 <osmantis> Bug #7276:04 Can no longer login direct, or HG to a variable-sized (>256) region. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7276 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-22 17:20 <osmantis> Bug #7276:04 Can no longer login direct, or HG to a variable-sized (>256) region. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7276 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-22 17:23 <nebadon> ok robust updated
2014-07-22 17:23 <nebadon> doing simulators now
2014-07-22 17:28 <smxy> did you also make sure that one still gracefully gets denied tp from old to var?
2014-07-22 17:31 <justincc> no
2014-07-22 17:32 <nebadon> ok simulators are updated, everything restarted
2014-07-22 17:32 <osmantis> Bug #7277:04 OSGrid add on region release - ScriptStopStrategy co-op seems to prevent regions with scripts being enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7277 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-22 17:32 <nebadon> ready to go
2014-07-22 17:33 <justincc> alright, I haven't made much progress with why pCampbot was crashing but today I'm going to run without it requesting object textures, which is one of my suspects for crashing
2014-07-22 17:34 <justincc> the crash is quite wierd - it fails internally within mono and must be a race condition but it's not a place where i thought two threads could run
2014-07-22 17:34 <zadarkAlt1> smxy: yes
2014-07-22 18:03 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-22 18:03 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-07-22 18:33 <BlueWall_AFK> Hello
2014-07-22 18:40 <Plugh> Hey, BlueWall_AFK
2014-07-22 18:43 <osmantis> Bug #7277:04 OSGrid add on region release - ScriptStopStrategy co-op seems to prevent regions with scripts being enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7277 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-22 18:44 <osmantis> Bug #7235:04 [PATCH]Bulletsim-- Implement VEHICLE_FLAG_LIMIT_ROLL_ONLY into the first and default Vertical Attractor. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7235 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-22 18:46 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-22 18:47 <velus> hey allllll
2014-07-22 18:48 <osmantis> Bug #7277:04 OSGrid add on region release - ScriptStopStrategy co-op seems to prevent regions with scripts being enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7277 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-22 18:58 <nebadon> Load test is about to being
2014-07-22 18:58 <nebadon> go to http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 Kyenote 1
2014-07-22 19:12 <justincc> viewer crashed, relogging
2014-07-22 19:40 <keygruin> still need load testers? I was out
2014-07-22 19:41 <nebadon> if you want
2014-07-22 19:41 <nebadon> might be hard to get there
2014-07-22 19:41 <nebadon> was heavy load today
2014-07-22 19:41 <Dev_Random> take my spot, keygruin.  I had to leave when my laptop started whining.
2014-07-22 19:45 <dahlia> crash?
2014-07-22 19:45 <MarcusLlew> Was wondering too.
2014-07-22 19:45 <MarcusLlew> I still seem to be connected.
2014-07-22 19:46 <dahlia> several minute GC cycle? lol
2014-07-22 19:46 <justincc> I appear to have a general failure with my vioewer, though still connected
2014-07-22 19:47 <MarcusLlew> I have four viewers on two machines. Nothing has gone "ding".
2014-07-22 19:47 <keygruin> I'm in
2014-07-22 19:47 <MarcusLlew> I'm seeing chat from 5 mins ago now in world.
2014-07-22 19:47 <MarcusLlew> It is alive. Just slooow.
2014-07-22 19:50 <MarcusLlew> chat lag now seems down to 1-2 mins.
2014-07-22 19:52 <MarcusLlew> I just lost KN1
2014-07-22 19:59 <nebadon> yea difficult to get back towards the end
2014-07-22 20:00 <nebadon> thats ok though we got a lot of data captures
2014-07-22 20:00 <nebadon> atleast it didnt crash
2014-07-22 20:02 <djphil> haha Neb your language isn't supported ^^
2014-07-22 20:24 <nebadon> interesting
2014-07-22 20:25 <nebadon> justinccAfk i had a replex viewer logged into Keynote 4
2014-07-22 20:25 <nebadon> and I can still see everyone who logged into Keynote 1
2014-07-22 20:25 <nebadon> like my viewer never got the signal they left
2014-07-22 20:25 <nebadon> i can even move around and stuff
2014-07-22 20:26 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/loadtest/Snapshot_002.png
2014-07-22 20:43 <LiruCookies> nebadon: ping
2014-07-22 20:53 <LiruCookies> nebadon: Should these bots not be baked like this? 36027ad1-46cb-4008-8e58-e8f57a593e01
2014-07-22 20:58 <Plugh> Grr... Why does OS act like the second time it sees a given [Section] in a single ini file that the second one seems to delete any settings from the first time it saw [Section] ???
2014-07-22 21:01 <Plugh> It should merge data from different occurances of a section
2014-07-22 21:17 <nebadon> LiruCookies not sure i know what you mean
2014-07-22 21:21 <LiruCookies> nebadon: Put that uuid as a texture on a cube on the CC grid
2014-07-22 21:22 <LiruCookies> (I'm lazy about uploading things to sites)
2014-07-22 22:09 <justinccAfk> nebadon: interesting.  Yeah, I guess it never got the kill signals then
2014-07-22 22:10 <justincc> Plugh: the underlying Nini library does that.  Doing anything different would require change there
2014-07-22 22:11 <Plugh> justincc: It is unexpected behaviour to me. I don't get in to that type of situation for a while. When I eventually do I have forgotten that is the behaviour and it becomes a minor pain.
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2014-07-22 22:49 <justincc> nebadon: about to log off tonight now, but preliminary summary shows we hit 80% of available cpu resources today
2014-07-22 22:49 <justincc> with max av of 352
2014-07-22 22:49 <justincc> sustained of 300
2014-07-22 22:50 <justincc> max stp thread usage was 242
2014-07-22 22:53 <justincc> ok, time to rest, goodnight folks
2014-07-22 23:04 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-22 23:11 <dahlia> should try to stuff all those avies into a single region
2014-07-23 00:29 <nebadon> ya good idea dahlia
2014-07-23 00:29 <nebadon> we do have a varregion setup for testing
2014-07-23 00:42 <paulieflomar> Is the OSCC a var or 4 seperate regions this year?
2014-07-23 01:12 <nebadon> right now we are testing 4 corner setup paulieflomar
2014-07-23 01:12 <nebadon> we have tested a var too, but just an intial test so far
2014-07-23 01:12 <nebadon> only like 25 avatars or so
2014-07-23 01:19 <paulieflomar> nice
2014-07-23 01:23 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-23 03:22 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-23 04:03 <frnic> nebadon - ping - know of anyone that has built latest mono under centos 7?
2014-07-23 04:21 <smxy> Nope. I'm still running 6. It'll be a while before I go to 7, as I have to wait for XenServer to support it (or for me to have the time to test it with the current version).
2014-07-23 04:22 <frnic> okay, I am just playing around with centos 7 - nothing serious. I will try to get mono githead to build there tomorrow.
2014-07-23 04:24 <frnic> I signed up for the linux foundation intro to linux programming course that starts on the first - so, just fir kicks I setup 3 vm’s - SuSE, Ubuntu and Centos and getting all the dev environments setup on them now.
2014-07-23 04:28 <smxy> Good luck. Study hard. :)
2014-07-23 04:28 <frnic> :) thanks
2014-07-23 04:28 <frnic> later...
2014-07-23 15:13 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-23 17:38 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-23 18:18 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-23 20:13 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-23 22:48 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-07-24 14:30 <smxy> Someone who uses MLP a lot claims: "The MLP issue is that with OpenSim .8 ... all Z positions have gone down anywhere from .300 to .500" Does anyone know what might be causing this issue? 
2014-07-24 14:36 <AliciaRaven> smxy, the mlp scripts were made to compensate for the opensim sit position bug, now that bug is fixed they will be wrong
2014-07-24 14:38 <smxy> But that was fixed prior to 0.8.0, I thought.
2014-07-24 14:38 <smxy> She said they are fine in 0.7.6 and not in 0.8.0
2014-07-24 14:38 <AliciaRaven> yes, the bug was fixed after 0.7.6 and before 0.8.0
2014-07-24 14:43 <smxy> Thanks.
2014-07-24 15:00 <smxy> AliciaRaven: I passed that info along to her, and she replied:
2014-07-24 15:01 <smxy> Then something is wrong because I have MLP's created in 0.7.5 and even before that version ... that worked okay in the 0.7.6. In which version was the bug to start with?
2014-07-24 15:01 <smxy> For now, I don't think their answer make sense.
2014-07-24 15:02 <AliciaRaven> the bug was always there as far as i know, the sit positions just didnt match second life, its been tinkered with a few times but never been quite right, now it should match sl, so there was no point where the bug started
2014-07-24 15:03 <AliciaRaven> it isnt that it was a bug, it just didnt match sl so scripts from there were off, now they should match, it just means that any scripts written for opensim will now be off
2014-07-24 15:04 <smxy> You know, people got really pissed the first time the sit position was changed. I'm surprised someone messed with it again.
2014-07-24 15:04 <smxy> Even if it was to fix a bug.
2014-07-24 15:05 <smxy> *I'm* not complaining, but then I don't have a gazillion things that need to be adjusted.
2014-07-24 15:05 <AliciaRaven> not really a bug, just didnt match sl so most scripts being written for sl didnt match os
2014-07-24 15:09 <smxy> I've passed that along. Thanks.
2014-07-24 15:09 <AliciaRaven> np, its a pain i know, but i think its better in the long term, i have alot to change myself still
2014-07-24 15:10 <smxy> She's saying that she won't update beyond 0.7.6 because of this, though.
2014-07-24 15:10 <smxy> She has thousands of these in use and in all the freebies she makes available to people and she is declinng to change them all.
2014-07-24 15:10 <smxy> declining*
2014-07-24 15:11 <AliciaRaven> thats her decision, shes gonna miss out of alot of new stuff tho
2014-07-24 15:12 <nebadon> ya this is one of the main reasons we keep opensimulator tagged as alpha
2014-07-24 15:12 <smxy> Actually, it's not anymore. Not tagged at all, now.
2014-07-24 15:12 <nebadon> because things cana nd will change
2014-07-24 15:13 <smxy> Yup.
2014-07-24 15:13 <smxy> I just hate seeing people bad-mouth any change.
2014-07-24 15:13 <AliciaRaven> i still dont think thats a good reason to call it alpha, all big projects continue to change and develop
2014-07-24 15:13 <nebadon> well i just mean in the sense that people need to be aware that the code was far from complete
2014-07-24 15:14 <zadark> Thing is, the freebies she makes available can only be used on 7.6, unless the new owner can adjust
2014-07-24 15:14 <nebadon> in 0.7.6 it was alpha 
2014-07-24 15:14 <AliciaRaven> right now im pissed off with microsoft for removing the mp3 tag editor in media player 12, their attempts to make things user friendly by removing functionality is annoying as hell
2014-07-24 15:14 <nebadon> honestly it shouldnt be all that difficult to fix with LSL
2014-07-24 15:15 <nebadon> but I can understand the frustration
2014-07-24 15:15 <nebadon> but us keeping bugs in the code because someone gets mad is also not good justification either
2014-07-24 15:17 <AllenKerensky> yeah and the LL position of "never breaking content" painted them into a corner over the previous decade
2014-07-24 15:17 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-24 15:17 <AllenKerensky> there's some stuff in SL that is known wrong, such as bad rotations or returns from math functions that can never be fixed
2014-07-24 15:17 <smxy> zadark: It's Selea Core. Lots of people use her stuff, but I *think* everything is editable. She made reference to people on 0.8.0 having to do it, since she wasn't going to. But it also means she'll keep making stuff that only works right, un-modified, in pre-0.8.0.
2014-07-24 15:17 <AllenKerensky> because someone, somewhere worked around it - and that's now "content"
2014-07-24 15:17 <nebadon> ya and Linden grams
2014-07-24 15:18 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-24 15:18 <nebadon> http://lslwiki.net/lslwiki/wakka.php?wakka=lindogram
2014-07-24 15:18 <AllenKerensky> as a content creator, that's her call to make I guess smxy
2014-07-24 15:19 <AllenKerensky> there are people who froze on 0.7.x for ODE and to avoid changes made to accommodate Bullet
2014-07-24 15:19 <Plugh> smxy: I can understand not wanting to fix existing products. New items should be made for the current version of OS.
2014-07-24 15:20 <smxy> I'd agree, but then they won't look right in her grid, so I wonder if she will.
2014-07-24 15:20 <nebadon> i completely understand the pain, the first time sit positions changed, i had to fix 1000's of chairs
2014-07-24 15:20 <nebadon> i was not happy
2014-07-24 15:20 <Plugh> bbl. I'll be bouncing in and out a bit today as I'm going to be doing more work to make the switch to a newer version of the Linux distro I'm using.
2014-07-24 15:20 <zadark> smxy: If the people using her freebies make the adjustments, they can then pass them back to Selea fixed?
2014-07-24 15:20 <nebadon> but, when this second round of fixes came through, I was one of the primary people pushing for it to go in
2014-07-24 15:21 <Plugh> nebadon: When that happens you write a program to automate the changes. :)
2014-07-24 15:21 <nebadon> because i figured the sooner we get a really 100% not ever going to have to fix stuff again kind of fix in, I knew it would be better in the long run
2014-07-24 15:21 <nebadon> sure some people will get upset, but can't make everyone happy anyway either way people are upset
2014-07-24 15:21 <nebadon> id rather explain to people about their broken content
2014-07-24 15:22 <nebadon> then have to explain to every newcomer why sit positions are so broken
2014-07-24 15:22 <Plugh> Quite a few years ago now, there was a bug or two in the Amiga operating system. They had to keep the bug when the next release of the OS came out because fixing the bug would break a lot of program that were written to deal with the known bug.
2014-07-24 15:23 <nebadon> Justin was pretty skeptical about pushing the change in, so you can blame me because i convinced him to do it hehe
2014-07-24 15:24 <Plugh> 
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2014-07-24 15:24 <AliciaRaven> i think u made the right choice nebadon, i had alot of chairs to fix but like u said, better long term to fix it
2014-07-24 15:24 <nebadon> I have a lot of stuff to fix too
2014-07-24 15:24 <nebadon> like the entire OSCC grid
2014-07-24 15:24 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-24 15:25 <nebadon> there is a ton of chairs there
2014-07-24 15:25 <Plugh> I went through something similar with a change I was dealing with for GIMP that affected the Script-Fu scripts. Lot of complaints and issues at first but it settles down after a while when the information gets out there about the problem and how to deal with it.
2014-07-24 15:25 <nebadon> Universal Campus needs fixing
2014-07-24 15:25 <AllenKerensky> or a patch that somehow knows if its an old sit script or a new one based on offsets or something - and does the right thing lol
2014-07-24 15:26 <Plugh> If they all use common assets for the script, update the asset.
2014-07-24 15:26 <nebadon> I don't see how that could be possible
2014-07-24 15:26 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: yea, that too.
2014-07-24 15:26 <nebadon> without having to add some kind of header to the script
2014-07-24 15:26 <nebadon> which means changing all your content anyway
2014-07-24 15:27 <Plugh> Time to reboot to work on updating my system.
2014-07-24 15:28 <AliciaRaven> dont try and replace a script reference in the db as a way to update scripts lol
2014-07-24 15:28 <AliciaRaven> if the new script has changed alot, it throws errors because of inconsistancies in the state file :(
2014-07-24 15:28 <nebadon> ya unforunately its a painful fix
2014-07-24 15:29 <nebadon> I can certainly appreciate the frustration at that
2014-07-24 15:29 <nebadon> all I can say is were like 99.99999999999% its fixed for real now
2014-07-24 15:30 <nebadon> it wont be something we'll have to deal with again
2014-07-24 17:20 <osmantis> Bug #6879:04 sound does not play 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6879 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-24 18:58 <osmantis> Bug #7279:04 Missed casting implicitly done instead of cause an error-message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7279 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-24 19:00 <osmantis> Bug #7279:04 Missed casting implicitly done instead of cause an error-message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7279 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-24 20:10 <Plugh> Can you change prim limits for a region using a console command?
2014-07-24 20:34 <Bwild> AliciaRaven, hot-swappable versioning probably is a way to do it; there is no way that all simulators will be receiving avatars attachments or rezzed scripts that comply with the original compiled script
2014-07-24 20:35 <Bwild> the corollary is just as bad:  forcing all scripts to be recompiled to run on different versions of the script engine
2014-07-24 20:36 <AliciaRaven> Bwild, i always restarted and recompiled scripts, the problem is only when the script is changed so that the state files do not match the expected global vars in the script
2014-07-24 20:36 <AliciaRaven> i got round it by replacing the ref to the prim instead, aslong as state saves are not needed to persist
2014-07-24 20:37 <Bwild> lsl are state vm's
2014-07-24 20:39 <AliciaRaven> by state i mean opensims script state file containing globals and current scripts running state, if they dont match it causes problems, just means it only works for small changes to scripts
2014-07-24 20:45 <Bwild> imo it is more reasonable to change a db for scripts than hunt down multiple objects in sims, oars, iars, and elsewhere since it provides an easier update method via structured queries; but i think maybe .Net|Mono does reset scripts upon a new instance of opensimulator
2014-07-24 20:46 <Bwild> and that is where the old script on newer engine complains since the scripts were compiled for a previous standard
2014-07-24 20:48 <Bwild> after all the whole purpose of the .Net|Mono is a virutal machine that runs binaries on vastly different systems than the  old way prior to VMs: a mandatory recompile for each application for each target platform
2014-07-24 20:53 <Bwild> now if traditional compilers are used many newer compilers send out nag warnings about obsolte and soon-to-be discarded methods; the purpose being to inform the programmer to stop using those
2014-07-24 20:57 <Bwild> and since each script is basically an object in memory, maybe lsl framework could use .Net|Mono routines for a hierarchical state machines
2014-07-24 21:07 <AliciaRaven> i just wanted to update a script not rewrite the whole engine lol
2014-07-24 21:12 <Bwild> egineering optimal solution is: do-nothing, else offload the task upon your customer
2014-07-24 21:13 <Bwild> then if the customer wants a better way offer a premium solution hehe
2014-07-24 21:14 <Bwild> imo, that is the widget factory of creators pushing their vending updates based on subscriptions to their widget factory
2014-07-24 21:15 <dahlia> YAY no more white ruth hair :D
2014-07-24 21:15 <justincc> is it white?  it was still showing up as brown for me
2014-07-24 21:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #3714 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-24 21:15 <justincc> but this was a missing asset uuid being reported by the pcampbot, and it's the one that is hair texture
2014-07-24 21:15 <dahlia> probably depends on if you have it in cache or not
2014-07-24 21:15 <justincc> yeah, could be
2014-07-24 21:16 <AliciaRaven> it was brown for me aswell, didnt realise it was missing
2014-07-24 21:16 <justincc> I'm hoping it might stop pCampbot bots from sometimes not showing up properly, though might nto be the cause
2014-07-24 21:16 <justincc> worth fixing anyway 
2014-07-24 21:18 <dahlia> hmmm I thought the libomv baker could still work with a missing texture... cant remember now
2014-07-24 21:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3714: SUCCESS in 7 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3714/
2014-07-24 21:19 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add missing default female hair texture for Ruth avatar.
2014-07-24 21:21 <AliciaRaven> if it was showing brown because it was cached, where was it cached from if its not part of opensim untill now? or is it a recent loss?
2014-07-24 21:21 <dahlia> SL?
2014-07-24 21:22 <AliciaRaven> not seen ruth in sl for years, yet i always see ruth with brown hair
2014-07-24 21:22 <dahlia> ya but the texture is still part of the avatar
2014-07-24 21:22 <dahlia> especially when a "bald base" is just a hair thats too small to see
2014-07-24 21:23 <Dev_Random> don't think it was from SL... I haven't been to SL in years (and never with this machine).
2014-07-24 21:23 <dahlia> or a default hair with an alpha applied
2014-07-24 21:23 <AliciaRaven> seems strange as i dont go to sl for long periods and clear cache alot, yet i never seen ruth with white hair
2014-07-24 21:24 <dahlia> I see the white hair all the time but its usually not the first time ruth logs in
2014-07-24 21:24 <AliciaRaven> could the brown i see be a color over the missing texture? anyway not important lol
2014-07-24 21:26 <dahlia> hair is a baked texture, maybe something else is interfering there.
2014-07-24 21:26 <dahlia> (linden hair)
2014-07-24 21:32 <justincc> not sure.  to be fair, I always see brown too even without that texture
2014-07-24 21:34 <dahlia> I'd think that texture is part of the viewer artwork package
2014-07-24 21:35 <dahlia> viewer would use local assets from the artwork package to create the bakes for ruth
2014-07-24 21:38 <AliciaRaven> makes sense for the browns
2014-07-24 21:48 <nebadon> probably from osgrid too
2014-07-24 21:48 <nebadon> no doubt that texture some how made its way into our asset db
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2014-07-24 21:51 <nebadon> I did notice some of my ruths on OSCC had white hair 
2014-07-24 21:51 <nebadon> but never on OSgrid
2014-07-24 21:52 <dahlia> my encitra avie has chronic white hair
2014-07-24 21:53 <AliciaRaven> maybe its only the ruths over a certain age lol
2014-07-24 21:53 <dahlia> :P
2014-07-24 21:54 <AliciaRaven> no connection with the avatars owner of course hehe even a couple of years is old for an avatar
2014-07-24 22:22 <justincc> lkalif: ping
2014-07-24 22:32 <lkalif> justincc: pong
2014-07-24 22:32 <justincc> lkalif: I see in the libomv code that the default wait for an ack from the server is 4 secs.  Do you know if that's also true of viewers?
2014-07-24 22:33 <lkalif> I don't know that.
2014-07-24 22:33 <lkalif> Let me try to see if I can find out
2014-07-24 22:33 <justincc> ok, no worries
2014-07-24 22:33 <justincc> thanks
2014-07-24 22:37 <lkalif> it's not a constant
2014-07-24 22:37 <dahlia> depends on average ping time?
2014-07-24 22:37 <lkalif> but it's max 5 sec
2014-07-24 22:37 <lkalif> U64 timeout = (U64)(1000000.0*llmin(LL_MAX_LOST_TIMEOUT, getPingDelayAveraged() * LL_LOST_TIMEOUT_FACTOR));
2014-07-24 22:37 <lkalif> LL_MAX_LOST_TIMEOUT = 5f
2014-07-24 22:38 <justincc> ok, looks like opensim may be too slow to send out acks
2014-07-24 22:38 <lkalif> LL_LOST_TIMEOUT_FACTOR = 0.016
2014-07-24 22:38 <justincc> see quite a lot of loss with pcampbot with 10 bots with the default 4
2014-07-24 22:38 <dahlia> I would have thought time dilation might be in there also but I guess it isnt
2014-07-24 22:38 <justincc> if i double it to 8 the problem goes away, at least with 10 bots
2014-07-24 22:39 <justincc> that's just on initial login, when traffic is high
2014-07-24 22:39 <lkalif> I have noticed something wrong with opensim lately during login
2014-07-24 22:39 <lkalif> takes a lot longer than it used to
2014-07-24 22:39 <lkalif> a lot
2014-07-24 22:40 <dahlia> clean your inventory of all that junk :P
2014-07-24 22:40 <justincc> for a graphical viewer?
2014-07-24 22:40 <lkalif> yes. I have not tested with libomv
2014-07-24 22:40 <justincc> I haven't noticed an extra delay myself, but I tend to test with very empty avatars on empty regions
2014-07-24 22:40 <lkalif> I'd say factor of 100 slower
2014-07-24 22:40 <justincc> that's a lot
2014-07-24 22:41 <lkalif> yeah
2014-07-24 22:41 <dahlia> standalone? grid?
2014-07-24 22:41 <AllenKerensky> maybe related to a lot of extra logging some of the new memory libs throw to the debug  console?
2014-07-24 22:41 <justincc> so it just hangs on the progress bar for ages?
2014-07-24 22:41 <justincc> memory libs?
2014-07-24 22:41 <AllenKerensky> a couple of weeks ago I noticed a load of new messages starting about when shaders get compiled
2014-07-24 22:41 <dahlia> logging should have its own thread
2014-07-24 22:41 <lkalif> justincc: yes, just sits on on of the progress parts during login
2014-07-24 22:42 <dahlia> lkalif: any particular grid?
2014-07-24 22:42 <justincc> lkalif: hypergrid or non-hg regions?
2014-07-24 22:42 <lkalif> well I noticed it first on osgrid, but I dismissed it on the account of osgrid central services being overloaded
2014-07-24 22:43 <lkalif> but it was happening on my local standalone while I was developing the inventory for textures during mesh upload thing
2014-07-24 22:43 <justincc> ok, that's curious
2014-07-24 22:43 <lkalif> the login used to go bang bang bang under a sec for the whole lot on a local standalone
2014-07-24 22:43 <justincc> yeah, that's what I still have
2014-07-24 22:43 <dahlia> mine goes pretty fast
2014-07-24 22:44 <lkalif> but I have not investigated deeply
2014-07-24 22:44 <justincc> ok, maybe I'll come cross it during perf work
2014-07-24 22:44 <dahlia> osgrid not too slow either
2014-07-24 22:44 <justincc> I do want to go through the login process and make sure it's not doing too much crazy heavy
2014-07-24 22:44 <dahlia> but slower than my standalones or local grid
2014-07-24 22:45 <lkalif> I can't remember if it was "waiting for caps" part that takes like 2-3 seconds
2014-07-24 22:45 <dahlia> osgrid seems about the same as SL to me
2014-07-24 22:45 <lkalif> or some other.
2014-07-24 22:45 <dahlia> oh sometimes I get the waiting for caps message and it just hangs
2014-07-24 22:45 <AllenKerensky> well, I uncommented my >/dev/null on my console log and I am not seeing the same debugging I was seeing that bogged me down
2014-07-24 22:45 <justincc> hm,is interesting if it osgrid sincethat's pretty fast for me too
2014-07-24 22:45 <justincc> maybe it's something specific to your content then.  You ahve big inventories?
2014-07-24 22:45 <lkalif> dahlia: yeah it can sit 5-10 secs sometimes
2014-07-24 22:45 <justincc> although I do have a stupidly large inv on osgrid
2014-07-24 22:45 <AllenKerensky> or I would have told you the message
2014-07-24 22:46 <dahlia> lkalif: more like forever
2014-07-24 22:46 <lkalif> justincc was talking about packet loss due to opensim being to slow to send acks at login
2014-07-24 22:47 <lkalif> so it reminded me...
2014-07-24 22:47 <justincc> it's not so much packet loss as slow ack
2014-07-24 22:47 <dahlia> maybe opensim trys to consolidate the acks and delays sending them too long?
2014-07-24 22:47 <justincc> if I change libomv resend timeout to 8 secs resends go away
2014-07-24 22:47 <dahlia> like maybe it shouldnt consolidate them if load is high?
2014-07-24 22:47 <justincc> no, I looked through the code and inserted a log debug line.  It does send.  Most of this is jhurliman code
2014-07-24 22:48 <dahlia> ack should be the first thing that happens in the udp stack
2014-07-24 22:48 <justincc> well, they are being attached to outgoing packetsmainly
2014-07-24 22:48 <justincc> unless a certain size of them builds up
2014-07-24 22:48 <dahlia> ya
2014-07-24 22:48 <justincc> maybe 10 logins in quick succession delays certain packets for long enough
2014-07-24 22:48 <dahlia> they should just go immediately if theres any chance of a delay, like when system load is high
2014-07-24 22:48 <justincc> whcih might really point to a weakness in speed of sneding outgoing udp
2014-07-24 22:49 <LiruCookies> Does Opensim intend to implement experience tools?
2014-07-24 22:49 <dahlia> if you get acks that get delayed by a GC or something, the whole thing gets borked
2014-07-24 22:49 <justincc> er, depends if someone intends to do it or not...
2014-07-24 22:49 <justincc> if it's useful to them
2014-07-24 22:49 <lkalif> well the client will consider packet dropped if it doesnt get an ack withing these 4-5 secs
2014-07-24 22:49 <justincc> right
2014-07-24 22:49 <justincc> so possibly an area to look at to reduce resend traffic
2014-07-24 22:50 <dahlia> failing to ack in time will probably generate more work for the sim to do than the work to just ack it when it arrives in the first place
2014-07-24 22:51 <justincc> right, but if you send special ack packets that's more distinct data....
2014-07-24 22:51 <justincc> tradeoff
2014-07-24 22:51 <lkalif> yeah
2014-07-24 22:51 <justincc> and really, outoing packets are being sent pretty constantly so this shoudln't be an issue
2014-07-24 22:51 <dahlia> pffft. it mattered when people had 28.8 modems :P
2014-07-24 22:51 <justincc> possibly some are getting crowded out under heavy traffic conditions
2014-07-24 22:51 <dahlia> I seriously doubt its the network
2014-07-24 22:51 <justincc> or not enough packets with enough space are being sent
2014-07-24 22:52 <justincc> yeah, could be that at times acks are queued with not enough outgoing packets to append them
2014-07-24 22:52 <justincc> and the check for too many acks is only done on receiving a new packet, but that should be pretty constant too
2014-07-24 22:52 <dahlia> queing them when the sim is under high load is a mistake IMHO
2014-07-24 22:52 <justincc> hmm, in fact might onlyi be done on receiving reliable packets
2014-07-24 22:52 <lkalif> justincc: you saw this in the log for the bot, about resends?
2014-07-24 22:53 <justincc> no, on opensim side
2014-07-24 22:53 <dahlia> unreliable dont need acks
2014-07-24 22:53 <justincc> don't have the libomv logging activated yet, maybe should to see what it says
2014-07-24 22:53 <justincc> dahlia: right, but if you have acks waiting, then unreliablepackets don't trigger that check
2014-07-24 22:53 <lkalif> I think I might have noticed some resends notifications in Radegast log
2014-07-24 22:54 <dahlia> it shouldnt wait on a packet. there should be a timeout
2014-07-24 22:54 <dahlia> but if the cpu is busy it may be too late anyway
2014-07-24 22:54 <justincc> maybe, though that means a timer for every client
2014-07-24 22:54 <lkalif> opensim ack processing could be too slow
2014-07-24 22:54 <dahlia> or just a pulse to the stack
2014-07-24 22:54 <justincc> or possibly 1 for each
2014-07-24 22:55 <justincc> well, needs investigation - I want to know exactly what's happening before thinking what to do
2014-07-24 22:55 <lkalif> If I remember correctly, I have seen warnings about getting resent packages from opensim -> libomv client that have been already received
2014-07-24 22:55 <justincc> tbh, I don'tnotice this so much with normal client logins, though possibly not as aggressive as pcampbot
2014-07-24 22:55 <justincc> ok
2014-07-24 22:55 <justincc> worth tunning on logging libomv side as well
2014-07-24 22:55 <dahlia> but... it should just check load (time dilation) and if it's < 1.0 just ack immediately
2014-07-24 22:56 <lkalif> so Radegast is getting a resent from opensim, for a packet that is already received. So opensim got ACK too late (or thought it did) and resent it
2014-07-24 22:56 <dahlia> assuming time dilation works
2014-07-24 22:56 <dahlia> ya resends just make more work on both ends
2014-07-24 22:56 <justincc> yes
2014-07-24 22:56 <lkalif> justincc: in which direction did you see these resends?
2014-07-24 22:57 <justincc> from libomv to server
2014-07-24 22:57 <justincc> this is under initial login of 10 clients, where there's a lot of traffic
2014-07-24 22:57 <justincc> as logins are only 1.5 secs apart right now...
2014-07-24 22:57 <justincc> so maybe it's not all that surprising under those conditions, though I would like to see if it can be improved
2014-07-24 22:58 <lkalif> i've seen resends in the other direction, around login time, but not sure if its client's fault
2014-07-24 22:59 <justincc> ok, bbiab
2014-07-24 23:00 <lkalif> It's entirely possible that libomv client is causing this ;)
2014-07-24 23:29 <osmantis> Bug #7280:04 show stats console command no longer works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7280 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-24 23:42 <osmantis> Bug #7281:04 show regions command displays same info twice 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7281 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-25 00:35 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-25 00:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #3715 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-25 01:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3715: SUCCESS in 4 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3715/
2014-07-25 01:04 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Revert "Write UDP statistics to the log, not just the console (e.g., "show queues")"
2014-07-25 01:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #3716 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-25 01:05 <osmantis> Bug #7280:04 show stats console command no longer works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7280 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-25 01:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3716: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3716/
2014-07-25 01:08 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add suppression of grid-side "show regions" command in simulator console for Hypergrid setups as well as normal grid.
2014-07-25 01:09 <osmantis> Bug #7281:04 show regions command displays same info twice 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7281 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-25 01:09 <osmantis> Bug #7281:04 show regions command displays same info twice 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7281 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-07-25 01:41 <ChaosZen> I appologize in advance for having to ask here, but had no reply elsewhere over the last 12 hours.
2014-07-25 01:41 <ChaosZen> Does anybody know of any links to any settings or features of the built-in OpenSim webserver features?
2014-07-25 01:42 <nebadon> What is it you are trying to do ChaosZen?
2014-07-25 01:43 <ChaosZen> I have no information of how to send an HTML page of any sort to client viewers . What information can be sent, what ports are used, etc.
2014-07-25 01:45 <nebadon> what exactly are you trying to do what kind of html are you sending to the client viewers?
2014-07-25 01:45 <nebadon> you just want the viewer to open a web page?
2014-07-25 01:45 <nebadon> or something more specific?
2014-07-25 01:46 <ChaosZen> More or less, when I log in to my own opensim, it's a blank white screen on the viewer. I'd prefer it be something, anything, to show maybe a logo or something to indicate the HTTP webserver is functioning,
2014-07-25 01:46 <nebadon> ah
2014-07-25 01:46 <nebadon> ok so your running a standalone?
2014-07-25 01:46 <ChaosZen> as well as possibly other features like a "create an account" form or links to sim info.
2014-07-25 01:46 <ChaosZen> Yes.
2014-07-25 01:46 <nebadon> 1 second
2014-07-25 01:48 <nebadon> in /bin/config-include/StandaloneCommon.ini
2014-07-25 01:48 <nebadon> [GridInfoService]
2014-07-25 01:48 <nebadon> in here you can set the URLs to these things
2014-07-25 01:49 <nebadon> just restart your region
2014-07-25 01:49 <nebadon> then you will need to in the viewer, remove your grid from the grid manager and re-add it
2014-07-25 01:49 <ChaosZen> Do the acceptable values of those allow for exacy page names, rather than just url:port# ?
2014-07-25 01:50 <nebadon> you can host these pages anywhere
2014-07-25 01:50 <nebadon> in apache or IIS
2014-07-25 01:50 <nebadon> whatever you want
2014-07-25 01:50 <ChaosZen> For example, point them all to different pages on my existing external webserver ( www.mydomain.com/mysim/login.php ) etc.?
2014-07-25 01:50 <nebadon> yep
2014-07-25 01:51 <ChaosZen> Thanks, that is good to know. But I would still like to see more detailed info posted to the wiki someday, about any variables and any features available with the built-in webserver.
2014-07-25 01:52 <nebadon> well its not really a built in webserver per sey, it can do that
2014-07-25 01:52 <ChaosZen> It currently has no usable information at all in the opensimulator wiki.
2014-07-25 01:52 <nebadon> and if you use the Diva Distribution of OpenSimulator it comes with built in webpages for this stuff
2014-07-25 01:52 <nebadon> the stock opensimulator however only uses the built in webserver for delivering content to the simulators
2014-07-25 01:52 <nebadon> not for serving web pages
2014-07-25 01:53 <nebadon> you would have to extend opensimulator yourself to do that, or use diva's wifi
2014-07-25 01:54 <nebadon> http://metaverseink.com/Downloads.html
2014-07-25 01:54 <ChaosZen> Good point. And just as well, I am much more familiar with my own webserver and can easily querry the OpenSim DB to serve up data.
2014-07-25 01:54 <nebadon> for divas stuff
2014-07-25 01:54 <ChaosZen> I just did not know if page names were valid values.
2014-07-25 01:54 <nebadon> yea, pages can be anything
2014-07-25 01:54 <nebadon> the viewer uses webkit
2014-07-25 01:55 <nebadon> so anything that will run in basic webkit will be able to be loaded
2014-07-25 01:55 <nebadon> like osgrid just uses http://osgrid.org/splash
2014-07-25 01:55 <nebadon> thats running from apache
2014-07-25 01:56 <ChaosZen> Unfortunately, some of the DB tables are also not well documented. So not easy for an OpenSim novice to use outside methods to control things as a plug-in module would do.
2014-07-25 01:57 <ChaosZen> For example, do cron DB inserts to modify water level to simulate tide, or to alter windlight randomly to simulate weather.
2014-07-25 01:57 <nebadon> im not sure you can do that
2014-07-25 01:58 <nebadon> im not sure the simulators pole the database for changes like that
2014-07-25 01:58 <nebadon> without some kind of other trigger in the scene
2014-07-25 01:58 <ChaosZen> In theory, it should be easy, like sending the server console command to set water level, but done via a cron job.
2014-07-25 01:58 <nebadon> you cant just inject data into the database and have it be automaticlly picked up in world
2014-07-25 01:59 <nebadon> perhaps
2014-07-25 01:59 <nebadon> there is OSSL commands to do this
2014-07-25 01:59 <nebadon> from the script engine
2014-07-25 01:59 <ChaosZen> Shouldn't the sim check for an update or change when the region is entered, or some other trigger to check for settings, or .. hmm. Perhaps that is only done on region start and pointless.
2014-07-25 02:00 <nebadon> opensimulator.org/wiki/OsSetRegionWaterHeight
2014-07-25 02:00 <ChaosZen> That right. Using an in-world script to send server commands. I forgot about that.
2014-07-25 02:01 <ChaosZen> But still, better db documentation can still be useful and valuable for other things, 
2014-07-25 02:02 <ChaosZen> not easy to explain any example, but for instance, any sort of RP system that might alter or adjust avatar settings.
2014-07-25 02:07 <ChaosZen> Thank you for your time and assistance. It has been very helpful and greatly appreciated.
2014-07-25 04:05 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-25 04:35 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-25 04:36 <osmantis> Bug #7273:04 Territory conflicts with varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7273 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-25 04:40 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-25 05:07 <osmantis> Bug #6814:04 Terrain and building is not moving always smooth when you walk or fly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6814 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-25 11:25 <osmantis> Bug #6814:04 Terrain and building is not moving always smooth when you walk or fly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6814 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-25 11:59 <osmantis> Bug #7164:04 Bullet physics has trouble with shallow stairs (even basic prim ones) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7164 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-25 12:53 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-25 14:28 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar forever on login on OSGrid add-on regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-25 14:37 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-25 15:25 <osmantis> Bug #7282:04 DATASNAPSHOT - Unable to decode reply from data service 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7282 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-25 16:06 <smxy> Bulletsim is the default in 0.8.0, right?
2014-07-25 16:07 <zadark> smxy: yes
2014-07-25 16:08 <smxy> That's what I thought. In master, it seems set that way in the defaults file. In the OpenSim.ini.example file, the comments are conflicting. It says both are the default.
2014-07-25 16:11 <zadark> This is the line from my OpenSim.ini.example: ;; BulletSim is the default physics engine.  It provides the best performance and most functionality.
2014-07-25 16:12 <smxy> Now look down a few lines. :)
2014-07-25 16:13 <smxy> ;; Default is OpenDynamicsEngine
2014-07-25 16:14 <zadark> Good point, that needs clarification, like removing
2014-07-25 16:15 <smxy> Yes. :)
2014-07-25 16:18 <zadark> Just looking a little further down the OpenSim.ini.example (part of HttpProxyExceptions) is a line  ;; Separate patterns with a ';' Will that not be interpreted as a comment.
2014-07-25 16:18 <zadark> Probably keeping the quotes?
2014-07-25 16:19 <zadark> I shall now go back to sleep
2014-07-25 16:32 <Dev_Random> smxy:  http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6967
2014-07-25 16:34 <smxy> Dev_Random: good
2014-07-25 16:35 <Dev_Random> been sitting there a while now....
2014-07-25 16:39 <smxy> Well, the patch can't be applied as it is, now, because the first part's already done. It's the second part that needs doing now.
2014-07-25 16:40 <Dev_Random> true.. but there's a place to comment to bring it back to the top of the stack
2014-07-25 16:40 <Dev_Random> far easier than logging a new one
2014-07-25 16:40 <smxy> This is really something that we should just ask nebadon to do - go into the file, change the word, and commit it. :)
2014-07-25 16:41 <nebadon> whats up?
2014-07-25 16:42 <smxy> In OpenSim.ini.example, it says, in different places, 5 lines apart, that bulletsim is the default and that ODE is.
2014-07-25 16:42 <nebadon> ah ok
2014-07-25 16:42 <smxy> the ODE line should change. :)
2014-07-25 16:42 <nebadon> let me look
2014-07-25 16:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #3717 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-25 16:46 <smxy> Now #6967 can be resolved. :) Thanks!
2014-07-25 16:47 <osmantis> Bug #6967:04 OpenSim.ini.example erroneously states that OpenDynamicsEngine is the default physics engine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6967 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-25 16:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3717: SUCCESS in 4 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3717/
2014-07-25 16:50 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: fix comments in physics section of [Startup] to reflect the actual default engine.
2014-07-25 17:47 <xso> how would I go about decoding someones password value using php? it is encrypted, so what would be / where would be the key value to decrypt this?
2014-07-25 18:43 <AllenKerensky> typically xso the idea is to prompt someone for a password, encrypt it with the same mechanism that was used to encrypt the stored one, and compare both encrypted strings as is
2014-07-25 18:44 <AllenKerensky> rather than decrypt the database - just encrypt whatever they enter and check to see if that matched what was stored the first time
2014-07-25 21:36 <osmantis> Bug #7273:04 Territory conflicts with varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7273 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-25 21:44 <osmantis> Bug #7273:04 Territory conflicts with varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7273 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-25 21:48 <osmantis> Bug #7273:04 Territory conflicts with varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7273 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-25 22:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #3718 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-25 22:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3718: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3718/
2014-07-25 22:05 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add stats for service endpoints using existing data.
2014-07-25 22:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #3719 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-25 22:09 <justincc> hey nebadon, are you around?
2014-07-25 22:09 <nebadon> hey
2014-07-25 22:10 <justincc> nebadon: how does osgrid have its inventory services organized at the moment.  You still have multiple instances with nginx distributing requests between them?
2014-07-25 22:10 <nebadon> yes
2014-07-25 22:10 <justincc> do you have any way of telling when services are overloaded (i.e. more requests received then they can deal with in a reasonable time frame)
2014-07-25 22:11 <nebadon> not really
2014-07-25 22:11 <nebadon> i would think nginx would server a 404
2014-07-25 22:11 <nebadon> if it couldnt handle anymore requests
2014-07-25 22:11 <justincc> when would it do that?
2014-07-25 22:11 <nebadon> not sure, i doubt it ever does honestly
2014-07-25 22:11 <justincc> I mena, how would it know it couldnt' service more requests?
2014-07-25 22:12 <justincc> I suspect some of these inventory issues might be osgrid not having enough capacity to serve all the inv requests
2014-07-25 22:12 <nebadon> that would surprise me honestly
2014-07-25 22:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3719: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3719/
2014-07-25 22:12 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add undocumented RemoteRequestTimeout seconds parameter to xinventory requests
2014-07-25 22:12 <nebadon> 1 persons invnetory overwhelms the whole server?
2014-07-25 22:12 <nebadon> i just dont see that
2014-07-25 22:13 <justincc> no, nbut lots of requests coming in simultaneously
2014-07-25 22:13 <nebadon> i think everyone woudl be complaining if thats the case
2014-07-25 22:13 <nebadon> and thats just not happening
2014-07-25 22:13 <justincc> hm ok
2014-07-25 22:13 <nebadon> i don't seem to have trouble myself either
2014-07-25 22:13 <nebadon> and my inventory is quite large
2014-07-25 22:13 <justincc> we never see trouble on local systems it seems...
2014-07-25 22:13 <justincc> though I think you access via a remote system as well?
2014-07-25 22:14 <nebadon> whats really odd alot of these people who do have trouble
2014-07-25 22:14 <nebadon> go to Wright Plaza or Lbsa Plaza and its fine
2014-07-25 22:14 <nebadon> but they go to their own personal regions or a friends and it sticks
2014-07-25 22:14 <nebadon> that to me says the simulator is failin
2014-07-25 22:14 <nebadon> not the back end
2014-07-25 22:14 <justincc> there is going to be network difference here, right?
2014-07-25 22:14 <nebadon> possibly
2014-07-25 22:14 <nebadon> im told Ai Austin has data center server though
2014-07-25 22:15 <nebadon> so I just don't know, I am unable to experience these things myself
2014-07-25 22:15 <nebadon> which makes it difficult to know for sure
2014-07-25 22:15 <justincc> I mean, I think it's possible to do inventory caching on the simulator side to reduce the load.  But if that's not really the issue I would rather invest my time in other things
2014-07-25 22:15 <nebadon> but the fact its not happening to everyone leads me to beleive its either a failure in these peoples inventories in particular
2014-07-25 22:15 <nebadon> or the regions they are on
2014-07-25 22:16 <justincc> the inventory shouldn't really play a role - we're just mioving data back and forth here
2014-07-25 22:16 <justincc> well forth
2014-07-25 22:16 <nebadon> ya and really its just a list of uuids
2014-07-25 22:16 <nebadon> not like its fetching assets
2014-07-25 22:16 <justincc> well, more than that, but yes, it's metadata so nowhere near as much
2014-07-25 22:16 <justincc> but the wya things are set up atm, it only takes one 'stuck' request to entirely halt data transfer until it times out
2014-07-25 22:17 <nebadon> yea
2014-07-25 22:17 <nebadon> inventory has always been a bit sticky
2014-07-25 22:17 <nebadon> it used to be way worse
2014-07-25 22:17 <justincc> yeah, probably back when requests were unrestricted
2014-07-25 22:17 <justincc> now they're channeled one at a time
2014-07-25 22:17 <justincc> which produces this other problem if something halts :)
2014-07-25 22:18 <justincc> ok, well I've just put in a debug setting that can reduce the timeout.  That might give a clue as to whether just one (or some) requests 'stick' or whether every requests has a problem
2014-07-25 22:19 <justincc> though even at 100 secs, I'm surprised there's not report of timeout error messages on the console
2014-07-25 22:19 <justincc> if that is the case then it might be an issue with the httpserver, which wouldn't completely surprise me
2014-07-25 22:20 <justincc> anyway, in commit 8c5c980 above, I added stats for existing data which show how many requests are received on individual service endpoints
2014-07-25 22:20 <justincc> nebadon: it would be good if osgrid could be udpated with that sometime so i can get some idea of current load
2014-07-25 22:20 <nebadon> ok
2014-07-25 22:21 <nebadon> do we need to change anything or just update?
2014-07-25 22:21 <justincc> just update
2014-07-25 22:21 <nebadon> ok
2014-07-25 22:22 <nebadon> if danbanner doesnt kick it off soon I will try to get some of them updated later
2014-07-25 22:22 <justincc> thanks, not urgent tonight but would be good to see
2014-07-25 22:23 <nebadon> ok no problem
2014-07-25 22:27 <danbanner> just the sims or does robust need updating?
2014-07-25 22:27 <justincc> just robust in fact
2014-07-25 22:27 <danbanner> ok
2014-07-25 22:51 <justincc> nebadon: so, I just set up my own osgrid region from home and inv requests are pretty damn slow now
2014-07-25 22:51 <justincc> some taking 20 to 25 seconds
2014-07-25 22:55 <justincc> danbanner: were you going to update today?
2014-07-25 23:07 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-25 23:08 <zadark> I can recreate the delayed inventory fetch by clearing the viewer cache. The inventory fetch items seems to jump up 100 or less items. It eventually completes for me, I have not seen a complete stall
2014-07-25 23:09 <justincc> yeah, that's what I get
2014-07-25 23:09 <justincc> I wonder if some viewers aren't using inventory cache properly their side
2014-07-25 23:10 <zadark> I am monitorign WaitProcessQueuedInventoryRequest  which iis call at each jump, if you see what I mean
2014-07-25 23:10 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-25 23:11 <justincc> yeah, I'm just going to double check that it reqally is requests taking a long time rather than some thread queueing issue
2014-07-25 23:11 <justincc> though I'm pretty sure it is the requests
2014-07-25 23:15 <nebadon> oh ok for some reason I assumed it was going to be a region update
2014-07-25 23:15 <nebadon> ok i will try to get that updated shortly
2014-07-25 23:15 <justincc> this time it's being much better behaved - I forget that each inv fetch actually can trigger many inventory requests as it travels down the inventory tree
2014-07-25 23:16 <justincc> but still pretty slow
2014-07-25 23:16 <justincc> even with 4 to 5 reqs per sec being fulfilled
2014-07-25 23:16 <justincc> that time it didn't trigger the 5 second 'slow request' threshold though
2014-07-25 23:16 <nebadon> ya its just wierd i rarely have trouble with my inventory
2014-07-25 23:17 <nebadon> and its large, 50k items aprox
2014-07-25 23:17 <nebadon> and I clear cache a lot
2014-07-25 23:17 <justincc> how quickly do the Loading.... notices disappear on your inv when you do that?
2014-07-25 23:17 <dahlia> 
ACTION blames all lag on nebadon's inventory

2014-07-25 23:18 <justincc> this is also going to be highly dependent on ping time wth the number of requests
2014-07-25 23:18 <BlueWall_AFK> you have a blazing-fast Internet connection too though?
2014-07-25 23:18 <BlueWall_AFK> < nebadon
2014-07-25 23:18 <justincc> if I you have a ping of 50ms and I have 250ms, every single request takes me more of less 5 times as long
2014-07-25 23:18 <nebadon> i dunno few minutes at most
2014-07-25 23:18 <justincc> well more in fact since it's both ways
2014-07-26 00:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #3720 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-26 00:42 <justincc> also, you've gpot to think about rotating your nginx logs :)
2014-07-26 00:42 <nebadon> yea
2014-07-26 00:43 <justincc> the inv one is 15G and that makes it hard to analyze
2014-07-26 00:43 <justincc> and groups 18G....
2014-07-26 00:43 <dahlia> my 11069 item inventory loaded in a couple minutes on my osgrid region
2014-07-26 00:43 <nebadon> hmm ya need to figure that out
2014-07-26 00:43 <dahlia> maybe 5ish, didnt really time it
2014-07-26 00:43 <justincc> I think with a sim-side cache could be realy quick
2014-07-26 00:43 <nebadon> BlueWall no change
2014-07-26 00:43 <BlueWall> nebadon, still loading?
2014-07-26 00:43 <nebadon> im stuck at 14
2014-07-26 00:43 <justincc> avoid those huge number of net calls with a clean cache
2014-07-26 00:43 <BlueWall> ok
2014-07-26 00:44 <nebadon> sounds good justincc, good start anyway
2014-07-26 00:44 <nebadon> hopefully thats all it takes
2014-07-26 00:44 <justincc> it's on my long list now
2014-07-26 00:44 <nebadon> be nice to know what is actually failing though
2014-07-26 00:44 <nebadon> im almost certain its the simulator failing though
2014-07-26 00:45 <justincc> I dunno, I did see slow ones myself earlier
2014-07-26 00:45 <nebadon> not robust or nginx
2014-07-26 00:45 <justincc> tbh, my first thought is that I hit it at a point where services qwere overloaded
2014-07-26 00:45 <justincc> but on subsueqent tries the number of requests to osgrid inv had droped
2014-07-26 00:45 <BlueWall> 20:46:45 - [LOGHTTP]: Slow SynchronousRestForms request 111 POST to http://inventory.osgrid.org/xinventory took 17783ms, 2960ms writing, METHOD=GETITEM&ID=b7a49773-4d27-4b7b-9ca1-53c72f69639a
2014-07-26 00:45 <nebadon> ya and right now you say its not being hit hard right?
2014-07-26 00:45 <justincc> right, that's the kind o fthing
2014-07-26 00:46 <justincc> as about 12 req/s each service right now
2014-07-26 00:46 <nebadon> cause right now my inventory is completely hung download at BlueWalls region
2014-07-26 00:46 <dahlia> 00:40:11 - [FORMS]: Slow request 20095 POST http://inventory.osgrid.org/xinventory took 6076ms, 0ms writing, PRINCIPAL=3f535668-cd80-407f-950b-998496f2799b&FOLDER=6d042cf5-1232-4684-8350-64a82687df89&METHOD=GE
2014-07-26 00:46 <justincc> so 60 req/s overall
2014-07-26 00:46 <nebadon> stuck at 14 items
2014-07-26 00:46 <nebadon> so thats pretty clear its not the back end
2014-07-26 00:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3720: FAILURE in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3720/
2014-07-26 00:46 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Temporary stop CAPS service points from being added to stats as this can be a huge number.
2014-07-26 00:46 <BlueWall> after that one, there are no others
2014-07-26 00:46 <nebadon> im sure if i jump home right now inventory will zip down
2014-07-26 00:46 <nebadon> let me do that
2014-07-26 00:46 <BlueWall> ++
2014-07-26 00:46 <justincc> BlueWall; What do you see for "show stats inventory"
2014-07-26 00:47 <BlueWall> inventory.httpfetch.ProcessedFetchInventoryRequests : 0, 0/s, 0/s
2014-07-26 00:47 <BlueWall> inventory.httpfetch.QueuedFetchInventoryRequests : 0, 0/s, 0/s
2014-07-26 00:47 <nebadon> within 1 second 514 items
2014-07-26 00:47 <justincc> you definitely have http inventory enabled BlueWall?
2014-07-26 00:47 <nebadon> avatar rezzed
2014-07-26 00:47 <dahlia> try mine
2014-07-26 00:47 <nebadon> 8000 items
2014-07-26 00:48 <BlueWall> all that is needed are the Cap entries?
2014-07-26 00:48 <nebadon> so ya something is clearly wrong at the simulator side here
2014-07-26 00:48 <nebadon> I think so BlueWall
2014-07-26 00:48 <BlueWall> Cap_WebFetchInventoryDescendents = 
2014-07-26 00:48 <BlueWall> Cap_FetchInventoryDescendents2 = localhost
2014-07-26 00:48 <BlueWall> Cap_FetchInventory2 =  "localhost"
2014-07-26 00:48 <nebadon> thats what i have
2014-07-26 00:48 <justincc> nebadon: I don't agree yet
2014-07-26 00:48 <justincc> BlueWall: you can' have 0 processed fetches though
2014-07-26 00:48 <nebadon> well im certainly open to being convinced otherwise
2014-07-26 00:49 <nebadon> im just going on what we are currently seeing which feels a lot like something i can only expereince on BlueWalls region
2014-07-26 00:49 <dahlia> 
ACTION givesup

2014-07-26 00:49 <nebadon> dahlia should i clear cache?
2014-07-26 00:49 <nebadon> before i come?
2014-07-26 00:49 <justincc> well, I've xpericned it on mine too and clearly others do
2014-07-26 00:49 <dahlia> whatever shows you if it works
2014-07-26 00:49 <nebadon> my inventory is just about downloaded now at Sisyphus
2014-07-26 00:49 <nebadon> ok let me clear cache and try yours what is region name?
2014-07-26 00:50 <BlueWall> justincc, any other config items needed besides the Cap entries?
2014-07-26 00:50 <dahlia> humpf
2014-07-26 00:50 <justincc> BlueWall: you need a viewer that supports it, of course
2014-07-26 00:50 <nebadon> incoming
2014-07-26 00:50 <BlueWall> ohhh, those are enabled in my viewer
2014-07-26 00:50 <BlueWall> inventory and textures
2014-07-26 00:51 <nebadon> looking better here than bluewalls dahlia
2014-07-26 00:51 <nebadon> but not as fast as my local region
2014-07-26 00:51 <nebadon> 39 items
2014-07-26 00:51 <nebadon> 150
2014-07-26 00:51 <nebadon> its going
2014-07-26 00:51 <dahlia> just slow?
2014-07-26 00:51 <nebadon> wow
2014-07-26 00:51 <nebadon> ok 15k
2014-07-26 00:51 <nebadon> it just jumped big time
2014-07-26 00:51 <nebadon> and now i see my avatar geometry no texture yet
2014-07-26 00:52 <nebadon> ok textures
2014-07-26 00:52 <dahlia> 00:51:43 - [BASE HTTP SERVER]: Slow handling of 14272 GET /CAPS/8cfb22a1-d17b-4053-8709-05d1af6cfdb3/ GetMesh 7b2022f0-5f19-488c-b7e5-829d8f96b448 from 50.166.84.181:63451 took 5078ms
2014-07-26 00:52 <nebadon> 20,739 items
2014-07-26 00:52 <nebadon> kind of hung a bit
2014-07-26 00:52 <nebadon> this is what my region does too
2014-07-26 00:52 <nebadon> it hangs around 20k
2014-07-26 00:52 <nebadon> then after that jumps up slowly but steadily
2014-07-26 00:52 <dahlia> can you try "Wrong Plaza"?
2014-07-26 00:52 <nebadon> sure, clear cache ?
2014-07-26 00:52 <dahlia> sure
2014-07-26 00:53 <dahlia> Wrong Plaza is on my home server
2014-07-26 00:53 <dahlia> humpf is on a vps
2014-07-26 00:53 <nebadon> incoming
2014-07-26 00:54 <nebadon> going
2014-07-26 00:54 <dahlia> 17:50:13 - [BASE HTTP SERVER]: Slow handling of 1456 POST /CAPS/976dc153-da51-4272-bc22-7d8536ca5cb6 FetchInventory2 7b2022f0-5f19-488c-b7e5-829d8f96b448 from 50.166.84.181:50779 took 9915ms
2014-07-26 00:54 <nebadon> feels about the same as humpf
2014-07-26 00:54 <nebadon> up to 282
2014-07-26 00:55 <nebadon> 7000
2014-07-26 00:55 <dahlia> more of those slow handling messages than humpf had
2014-07-26 00:55 <dahlia> ty for testing
2014-07-26 00:55 <nebadon> no problem
2014-07-26 00:55 <nebadon> 20k
2014-07-26 00:55 <nebadon> avatar rezzed
2014-07-26 00:55 <nebadon> 22k
2014-07-26 00:56 <nebadon> 24
2014-07-26 00:56 <nebadon> chugging along
2014-07-26 00:56 <nebadon> feels good, this is same experience i get on my local regions and plazas
2014-07-26 00:56 <dahlia> cool :)
2014-07-26 00:56 <dahlia> guess its working better now than it used to
2014-07-26 00:56 <nebadon> that is good
2014-07-26 00:57 <nebadon> inventory has been great for me for quite some time now
2014-07-26 00:57 <nebadon> i cant think of any recent events of being frustrated in any way with inventory
2014-07-26 00:57 <nebadon> even HG inventory has been great
2014-07-26 00:57 <dahlia> very slow for me sometimes, especially my viewer AO
2014-07-26 00:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #3721 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #3719 2 hr 48 min ago)
2014-07-26 00:57 <dahlia> like the viewer AO notecard takes many minutes
2014-07-26 00:57 <BlueWall> this ini is probably an older one.
2014-07-26 00:57 <nebadon> ya probably be good to update ini
2014-07-26 00:57 <nebadon> if your running latest code
2014-07-26 00:58 <BlueWall> I can update everyting later and try again
2014-07-26 00:58 <nebadon> always good to flush them out every so often
2014-07-26 00:58 <dahlia> Im not, those regions are at least 3 months back
2014-07-26 00:58 <justincc> btw, you've only got 13G left wjhere these log files are
2014-07-26 00:58 <BlueWall> yep, I'm restoring things
2014-07-26 00:58 <justincc> at some point you're gonig to hit the wall
2014-07-26 00:58 <nebadon> ok justin
2014-07-26 00:58 <nebadon> ya i clean em up every so often
2014-07-26 00:58 <nebadon> ill take a look at that
2014-07-26 00:58 <nebadon> its about that time
2014-07-26 00:58 <BlueWall> logrotate ?
2014-07-26 00:58 <nebadon> ya i'll need to figure that out
2014-07-26 00:59 <justincc> the thing is, those requests from the simulator have very little to go wrong
2014-07-26 00:59 <justincc> where it reports  a slow request it just wraps sdk functions
2014-07-26 00:59 <justincc> these are genuinely slow requests, where the problem is either network or the service response
2014-07-26 00:59 <nebadon> ya i suspect there is a lot of bad networks out there
2014-07-26 00:59 <dahlia> I'd think its the response
2014-07-26 01:00 <BlueWall> my network is really slow
2014-07-26 01:00 <BlueWall> AT&T is the only provider out here
2014-07-26 01:00 <justincc> you're talking about a lot of network requests with a clean cache - one for each inventory folder
2014-07-26 01:01 <nebadon> ya but its not like its making all those requests simultaneously
2014-07-26 01:01 <nebadon> i would hope heh
2014-07-26 01:01 <justincc> they are made serially
2014-07-26 01:01 <justincc> whcih in itself slows things down
2014-07-26 01:01 <nebadon> how many should be irrelevant other than how long to finish
2014-07-26 01:01 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2014-07-26 01:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3721: FIXED in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3721/
2014-07-26 01:01 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix issue with TestTextureNotFound in previous commit 1e3027a
2014-07-26 01:01 <dahlia> what city are osgrid servers in?
2014-07-26 01:01 <BlueWall> wonder why it doesn't just grab the structure initially?
2014-07-26 01:02 <nebadon> Dallas
2014-07-26 01:02 <nebadon> http://www.limestonenetworks.com/data-center/locations.html
2014-07-26 01:04 <dahlia> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3648397637  <-- me to dallas
2014-07-26 01:05 <nebadon> http://www.speedtest.net/result/3648399415.png
2014-07-26 01:05 <nebadon> that is me to Dallas
2014-07-26 01:05 <nebadon> i get full speed
2014-07-26 01:06 <nebadon> explains a lot heh
2014-07-26 01:07 <nebadon> my invnetory did fully download no problem on Wrong Plaza
2014-07-26 01:08 <dahlia> take much longer than your home region?
2014-07-26 01:08 <nebadon> no
2014-07-26 01:08 <dahlia> interesting
2014-07-26 01:08 <nebadon> pretty much same experience
2014-07-26 01:08 <dahlia> but slower on humpf?
2014-07-26 01:08 <nebadon> not really
2014-07-26 01:09 <dahlia> so normal then?
2014-07-26 01:09 <nebadon> i could probably experience the same difference in time logging into my own region 2 or 3 times doing same thing
2014-07-26 01:09 <nebadon> ya the difference was minimal at worst
2014-07-26 01:09 <dahlia> humpf is on a very cheap vps so its not all that fast
2014-07-26 01:10 <nebadon> ya i don't suspect its a hardware level issue
2014-07-26 01:10 <dahlia> digital ocean bare minimum vps
2014-07-26 01:10 <nebadon> this to me screams network issue of some kind
2014-07-26 01:10 <nebadon> i recall SL having issues with inventory on certain routers and that was all on the viewer side
2014-07-26 01:11 <nebadon> they had some special project viewer to improve that kind of thing
2014-07-26 01:11 <BlueWall> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3648405232
2014-07-26 01:11 <dahlia> I wonder if inventory uses persistent connection?
2014-07-26 01:11 <nebadon> how to not clobber peoples routers
2014-07-26 01:11 <justincc> yes, but this is asimulator side issue
2014-07-26 01:11 <justincc> not viewer
2014-07-26 01:11 <nebadon> right
2014-07-26 01:11 <justincc> and our requserts are serialized 
2014-07-26 01:11 <nebadon> but im wondering if we are doing same thing
2014-07-26 01:11 <nebadon> overwhelming certain kinds of hardware
2014-07-26 01:11 <BlueWall> justincc, do you know about buffer bloat?
2014-07-26 01:11 <justincc> with one request at a time?  I doubt it
2014-07-26 01:12 <dahlia> BlueWall: my cellphone looks like that
2014-07-26 01:12 <BlueWall> lol
2014-07-26 01:12 <justincc> doesn'ta ffect http stuff
2014-07-26 01:12 <nebadon> ouch bluewall
2014-07-26 01:12 <justincc> so much
2014-07-26 01:12 <justincc> meh I don't know.  Personally, I think this is service overload but we can wait for more data to emerge
2014-07-26 01:12 <dahlia> persistent does affect http quite a bit 
2014-07-26 01:13 <justincc> now I can watch the osgrid services and maybe try again when requests are high
2014-07-26 01:13 <dahlia> well its going thru the sim, thru nginx, and then finally thru robust
2014-07-26 01:14 <dahlia> so 3 layers before it hits the db
2014-07-26 01:14 <dahlia> does inventory go thru nginx?
2014-07-26 01:14 <BlueWall> + all the routers along the way
2014-07-26 01:14 <dahlia> ya but routers are fast
2014-07-26 01:15 <justincc> nebadon: you use xmlrpcgroups for group stuff?
2014-07-26 01:15 <nebadon> yes inventory goes through nginx
2014-07-26 01:15 <nebadon> ya we are still using the old groups
2014-07-26 01:15 <dahlia> I know groups dont work on my regions
2014-07-26 01:15 <nebadon> really?
2014-07-26 01:16 <nebadon> that is odd
2014-07-26 01:16 <dahlia> but I dont think I have them set up properly
2014-07-26 01:16 <nebadon> ah 
2014-07-26 01:16 <dahlia> I think friends works
2014-07-26 01:16 <Dev_Random> howbout a Robust module that rates regions by speedtest....  could display rating on map (e.g. Rating=PG/slow)
2014-07-26 01:17 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-26 01:17 <nebadon> would probably be better to have a region module that projects that data out
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2014-07-26 01:17 <nebadon> its all relative though
2014-07-26 01:17 <dahlia> freebie mall running on a raspberry pi on a cellphone in antartica... dont go there
2014-07-26 01:18 <nebadon> whats slow to the robust server may not be slow to me
2014-07-26 01:18 <Dev_Random> ha
2014-07-26 01:18 <nebadon> and vice versa
2014-07-26 01:18 <nebadon> ok brb i need to run to the store real quick
2014-07-26 01:18 <Dev_Random> right-click map for speedtest
2014-07-26 01:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #3722 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2014-07-26 01:22 <dahlia> oh here we go:  http://www.limestonenetworks.com/data-center/network.html#test
2014-07-26 01:22 <dahlia> the datacenter for osgrid services has its own speed test
2014-07-26 01:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3722: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3722/
2014-07-26 01:23 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add inventory.<url>.RequestsMade stat.
2014-07-26 01:24 <dahlia> 100%[======================================>] 104,857,600 3.21M/s   in 35s
2014-07-26 01:24 <dahlia> wget http://mirror.lstn.net/st/test100.zip
2014-07-26 01:24 <dahlia> use that
2014-07-26 01:25 <justincc> I doubt this is a bw issue - more a built-in C# HttpServer issue
2014-07-26 01:25 <dahlia> dunno I've hit that server pretty hard in the past
2014-07-26 01:25 <justincc> an inventory service knocked together with php in a proper webserver could probably outperform the robust services easily
2014-07-26 01:25 <dahlia> when I had my unity viewer that used long-poll http
2014-07-26 01:26 <BlueWall> SimianGrid?
2014-07-26 01:26 <dahlia> maybe just nginx by itself querying mysql
2014-07-26 01:27 <dahlia> and redirect the cap so it avoids the sim
2014-07-26 01:28 <dahlia> actually I dont see nginx helping much with inventory, it probably doesnt cache well in a multi-user environment
2014-07-26 01:31 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-26 01:33 <BlueWall> updating the ini helped. 
2014-07-26 01:34 <nebadon> back
2014-07-26 01:34 <nebadon> oh really BlueWall
2014-07-26 01:34 <nebadon> should i try again?
2014-07-26 01:34 <BlueWall> if you want - it is really slow.
2014-07-26 01:34 <nebadon> ok hey slow is ok
2014-07-26 01:34 <BlueWall> I have 2.8K items
2014-07-26 01:34 <nebadon> as long as its moving
2014-07-26 01:36 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar forever on login on OSGrid add-on regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-26 01:36 <nebadon> still very slow here not gotten past 1 item yet
2014-07-26 01:36 <justincc> on inv service 1, some requests are reporting huge delays
2014-07-26 01:37 <justincc> 93546 tok 330 seconds
2014-07-26 01:37 <nebadon> HMM
2014-07-26 01:37 <nebadon> oops caps
2014-07-26 01:37 <justincc> hmm, I guess it's hard to disentangle that from things like a really shitty network on send though
2014-07-26 01:37 <BlueWall> inventory.httpfetch.ProcessedFetchInventoryRequests : 42, 0/s, 0/s
2014-07-26 01:37 <BlueWall> inventory.httpfetch.QueuedFetchInventoryRequests : 1, 0/s, 0.02/s
2014-07-26 01:38 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-26 01:38 <nebadon> well im up to 24 items now BlueWall
2014-07-26 01:38 <dahlia> it probably should move
2014-07-26 01:38 <nebadon> so i got past 14, but not very far
2014-07-26 01:38 <nebadon> 39 items
2014-07-26 01:38 <BlueWall> when I logged in, it seemed to go very slow, then it moved really quick
2014-07-26 01:38 <nebadon> so something definitely helped slightly
2014-07-26 01:38 <justincc> BlueWall: if you update to bleeding then there's now a stat for actualy inventory requests
2014-07-26 01:39 <dahlia> BlueWall: you probably should invest in a VPS :P
2014-07-26 01:39 <justincc> a particular fetch request can request many folders at once, each of which is an individual inv request
2014-07-26 01:39 <BlueWall> like it's prioritizing other things ahead of the invnetory
2014-07-26 01:39 <nebadon> interestingly on your region i see the away message flashing on and off over my head
2014-07-26 01:39 <dahlia> digital ocean $5 month
2014-07-26 01:39 <nebadon> I think thats also indicitive of a not so great connection between viewer and simulator
2014-07-26 01:39 <BlueWall> what is the command justincc?
2014-07-26 01:39 <nebadon> 141 items
2014-07-26 01:39 <justincc> same one, it's another inventoy stat
2014-07-26 01:40 <dahlia> its probably also compounded by having to download content over that tiny pipette
2014-07-26 01:40 <nebadon> i wonder though what change in the ini that made this difference for you BlueWall
2014-07-26 01:40 <nebadon> while its definitely better, its still far from good
2014-07-26 01:40 <BlueWall> I can diff the files later
2014-07-26 01:40 <nebadon> im stuck on 141 at the moment
2014-07-26 01:40 <BlueWall> yeah
2014-07-26 01:41 <BlueWall> I just quit hosting regions from here except for cases like this
2014-07-26 01:41 <BlueWall> ++ dahlia
2014-07-26 01:41 <nebadon> wierd thing is movement feels smooth and fluid
2014-07-26 01:41 <nebadon> but inventory is just stuck
2014-07-26 01:41 <BlueWall> it's still making calls
2014-07-26 01:41 <BlueWall> earlier it just stopped making calls
2014-07-26 01:42 <nebadon> ah now movement feels choppy
2014-07-26 01:42 <smxy> How does someone partner with another avatar in OpenSim? I just mmarried two and they are asking how to make it show in their profiles.
2014-07-26 01:42 <BlueWall> it was after some friend lookup failures
2014-07-26 01:42 <nebadon> 282 now
2014-07-26 01:42 <nebadon> wierd its exactly double what it was before
2014-07-26 01:42 <nebadon> 141 to 282
2014-07-26 01:42 <nebadon> could this be something with MTU maybe?
2014-07-26 01:43 <BlueWall> I wish we could just ask for the directory structure and have it send the whole thing at once
2014-07-26 01:43 <BlueWall> gmm, I think  it's 1500
2014-07-26 01:43 <BlueWall> MTU:1500
2014-07-26 01:43 <nebadon> maybe on some setups we are exceeding MTU
2014-07-26 01:43 <nebadon> ya if yours is 1500 then i doubt were exceeding that
2014-07-26 01:43 <nebadon> i know in some cases you have to do like 1472 or 1473
2014-07-26 01:43 <nebadon> something like that
2014-07-26 01:44 <BlueWall> that is the max
2014-07-26 01:44 <BlueWall> ?
2014-07-26 01:44 <BlueWall> ohh
2014-07-26 01:44 <nebadon> i remember every early on in the project having to deal with MTU stuff
2014-07-26 01:44 <nebadon> and I think it was because of inventory
2014-07-26 01:44 <BlueWall> ohh, ok
2014-07-26 01:44 <justincc> hmm no, those are genuinely slow service requests
2014-07-26 01:44 <nebadon> k
2014-07-26 01:44 <justincc> the slow report server side doen't include sending time
2014-07-26 01:45 <BlueWall> yes, my network is really slow
2014-07-26 01:45 <nebadon> im up to 301 now on BlueWalls region
2014-07-26 01:45 <nebadon> god awful slow
2014-07-26 01:45 <nebadon> at this rate maybe about 2 weeks
2014-07-26 01:45 <nebadon> i'll have my entire inventory
2014-07-26 01:45 <BlueWall> even no cable out here
2014-07-26 01:45 <justincc> what's your mbit?
2014-07-26 01:45 <nebadon> even with bad network this should be faster I think
2014-07-26 01:45 <nebadon> this is just strange
2014-07-26 01:46 <BlueWall> yeah, it used to be better
2014-07-26 01:46 <nebadon> i get a 50ms ping to his simulator
2014-07-26 01:46 <nebadon> so it cant be that bad between him and osgrid.org
2014-07-26 01:46 <BlueWall> they may have me throttled
2014-07-26 01:46 <nebadon> i mean ya its slow
2014-07-26 01:46 <nebadon> but ping should be good
2014-07-26 01:46 <nebadon> max transmission rates are low
2014-07-26 01:46 <nebadon> but pings should be fairly decent
2014-07-26 01:47 <justincc> why not run nethogs or similar and look at data out rate?
2014-07-26 01:47 <nebadon> you mean BlueWall?
2014-07-26 01:47 <justincc> yeah
2014-07-26 01:47 <nebadon> ya or iftop
2014-07-26 01:48 <BlueWall> now you're competing with zypper :)
2014-07-26 01:48 <nebadon> iptraf is also good
2014-07-26 01:49 <nebadon> ive used that on various projects 
2014-07-26 01:49 <nebadon> ive not moved past 301 in some time
2014-07-26 01:49 <nebadon> probably 3-4 minutes of no movement now
2014-07-26 01:49 <BlueWall> 21:55:24 - [LOGHTTP]: Slow SynchronousRestForms request 1511 POST to http://inventory.osgrid.org/xinventory took 10757ms, 56ms writing, METHOD=GETFOLDER&ID=620e1d34-34ad-52ea-aaa8-da05e9386c02
2014-07-26 01:50 <nebadon> I just cant beleive his intenert is so slow it cant transmit a list of a few 100k uuids
2014-07-26 01:50 <BlueWall> it's still making requests
2014-07-26 01:50 <nebadon> my inventory list is probably less than 1mb 
2014-07-26 01:50 <nebadon> even with really poor network it should be relatively simple transimssion
2014-07-26 01:51 <BlueWall> between 40 and 65 kb TX
2014-07-26 01:51 <nebadon> you could download a full rez image from one of the mars rovers faster than i can get my inventory from BlueWalls server a few 100 miles away
2014-07-26 01:51 <BlueWall> 800-900K rx
2014-07-26 01:52 <BlueWall> yeah, something is hosed when it hits a slow link
2014-07-26 01:52 <BlueWall> seems that it should at least make progress
2014-07-26 01:52 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-26 01:52 <justincc> well anyway, that's quite enough for me for one day
2014-07-26 01:52 <justincc> goodnight folks
2014-07-26 01:52 <nebadon> hehe
2014-07-26 01:52 <BlueWall> 0/
2014-07-26 01:53 <BlueWall> it makes a request then waits a long time
2014-07-26 01:53 <Dev_Random> maybe nebadon knows how to partner people
2014-07-26 01:53 <BlueWall> then it makes another
2014-07-26 01:53 <nebadon> partner people?
2014-07-26 01:53 <Dev_Random> marry them
2014-07-26 01:53 <nebadon> oh you mean 2 avatars?
2014-07-26 01:53 <nebadon> its a field in one of the databases
2014-07-26 01:53 <nebadon> user database
2014-07-26 01:53 <Dev_Random> can osg do that?
2014-07-26 01:54 <nebadon> you just put each others uuids
2014-07-26 01:54 <nebadon> not really no
2014-07-26 01:54 <nebadon> we could manually, but we won't
2014-07-26 01:54 <nebadon> its a lot of work
2014-07-26 01:54 <Dev_Random> kk.. I thought I'd seen it.
2014-07-26 01:54 <BlueWall> 21:59:42 - [POLL SERVICE WORKER THREAD]: Error 
2014-07-26 01:54 <nebadon> and to be honest it causes a lot of contreversy
2014-07-26 01:54 <BlueWall> 21:59:42 - [LOGHTTP]: Slow SynchronousRestForms request 1545 POST to http://inventory.osgrid.org/xinventory took 71466ms, 153ms writing, METHOD=GETFOLDERCONTENT&PRINCIPAL=7b2022f0-5f19-488c-b7e5-829d8f96b448&FOLDER=230da7bc-89ea-4a61-b5d1-603d0e47f8a5
2014-07-26 01:54 <nebadon> so ive kind of avoided it
2014-07-26 01:54 <Dev_Random> ha
2014-07-26 01:54 <Dev_Random> furry partnering with humanoid?
2014-07-26 01:54 <BlueWall> how would you handle Mormans 0.0?
2014-07-26 01:55 <nebadon> its more about the breaking up part that goes bad
2014-07-26 01:55 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-26 01:55 <BlueWall> hehe
2014-07-26 01:55 <nebadon> its all fun and games at first
2014-07-26 01:55 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-26 01:55 <BlueWall> answer --> PayPal $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
2014-07-26 01:56 <Dev_Random> "I want my prims back!"
2014-07-26 01:56 <nebadon> who gets the prim house, and the mesh dog
2014-07-26 01:56 <nebadon> long drawn out process
2014-07-26 01:56 <nebadon> haha
2014-07-26 01:56 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION misses some of his albums

2014-07-26 01:57 <BlueWall> so, this seems to make a call, wait for reply, make a call, etc.
2014-07-26 01:57 <nebadon> we need crash recovery protocol
2014-07-26 01:57 <nebadon> y-modem-g
2014-07-26 01:57 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-26 01:58 <BlueWall> I dont' see why we don't request the whole thing at once
2014-07-26 01:58 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION fires up telix to connect to BlueWall's region

2014-07-26 01:58 <BlueWall> haha, the mules are hauling tapes from the city
2014-07-26 02:00 <BlueWall> I think it is 4-5 miles to the nearest store.
2014-07-26 02:02 <nebadon> interestingly its still going
2014-07-26 02:02 <nebadon> its up to 1701
2014-07-26 02:02 <nebadon> i'll hop off i wont keep clobering your net
2014-07-26 02:02 <nebadon> hehe
2014-07-26 02:03 <BlueWall> it is taking a long time between requests
2014-07-26 02:03 <nebadon> be interesting to know what changed would cause this behavior
2014-07-26 02:03 <BlueWall> justin said they are serial, and he meant it I guess
2014-07-26 02:03 <nebadon> yea
2014-07-26 02:03 <nebadon> i guess its problematic for bad connections
2014-07-26 02:03 <BlueWall> it used to be better
2014-07-26 02:04 <nebadon> ya im sure something changed in the quest to rid the grids of clouded avatars
2014-07-26 02:04 <nebadon> there was all kinds of timing issues etc.. and an iventory throttle was put in place at one point
2014-07-26 02:04 <nebadon> thats really when things started to vastly improve
2014-07-26 02:05 <BlueWall> ohhh, I remember it was last year for the conference sims
2014-07-26 02:05 <nebadon> and honestly its not super surprising that Justin and Ai in the UK are going to not always have great connections to a server in Texas
2014-07-26 02:05 <nebadon> sometimes my connection to my german servers is a bit slow too
2014-07-26 02:05 <nebadon> been pretty good lately though
2014-07-26 02:06 <BlueWall> the extra fees in the phone bill are so the inet companies can build fiber 
2014-07-26 02:06 <BlueWall> they used it to buld crappy cell service
2014-07-26 02:06 <BlueWall> :/
2014-07-26 02:06 <nebadon> you would think
2014-07-26 02:06 <nebadon> Verizon took somethinng like 75 million in government funds to build fiber lines
2014-07-26 02:06 <BlueWall> they lobbied congress to get the $$ for fiber
2014-07-26 02:06 <nebadon> they got about 15% done and said screw it were out
2014-07-26 02:06 <nebadon> and kept the money
2014-07-26 02:06 <BlueWall> right
2014-07-26 02:07 <BlueWall> oligarchy
2014-07-26 02:07 <nebadon> cable companies are already fiber
2014-07-26 02:07 <nebadon> into the niehborhoods
2014-07-26 02:07 <nebadon> then copper to houses, its mostly fiber though
2014-07-26 02:07 <BlueWall> they haven't made it out this far
2014-07-26 02:08 <nebadon> im up to like 100 - 110 down and like 10-12 up
2014-07-26 02:08 <BlueWall> but, if I'm going to put up a region for public access, I want it in a datacenter anyway
2014-07-26 02:08 <BlueWall> wow
2014-07-26 02:08 <nebadon> yea
2014-07-26 02:09 <nebadon> we get near data center speeds here with comcast now
2014-07-26 02:09 <BlueWall> nice
2014-07-26 02:09 <nebadon> Cox is similar out in AZ and California too
2014-07-26 02:09 <BlueWall> you probably pay less than I do
2014-07-26 02:09 <nebadon> its not cheap cause you have to bundle everything
2014-07-26 02:09 <BlueWall> ohh
2014-07-26 02:09 <nebadon> the entire cable bill a month is 159$ 
2014-07-26 02:09 <nebadon> of which i think 65$ is internet
2014-07-26 02:09 <Dev_Random> oh to live in Bj�rndalen..     http://techtraverse.com/bjorndalen-place-polar-bears-humans-enjoys-worlds-fastest-internet/
2014-07-26 02:09 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-26 02:10 <nebadon> also the coldest air conditining in the world too
2014-07-26 02:10 <BlueWall> for me it's not too bad though because my internal net works good.
2014-07-26 02:10 <nebadon> hehe
2014-07-26 02:10 <BlueWall> as long as my servers don't crash
2014-07-26 02:11 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION pays $80 CAD for 35/10 with unlimited BW (and gets a great deal for Canada)

2014-07-26 02:11 <nebadon> it was nice in sweden because the best and cheapest internet service was through a cell phone most of the time
2014-07-26 02:11 <nebadon> you get like 50 down and 10 up for like 50gb of data for 35$ a month or something absurd
2014-07-26 02:11 <nebadon> maybe more but it was pretty cheap
2014-07-26 02:12 <BlueWall> we need to elect their senators here :)
2014-07-26 02:12 <nebadon> just enable wifi hotspot and hook up all your computers to cell phone lol
2014-07-26 02:13 <nebadon> the Scandanavian countries have always been pretty far ahead with cellular with Nokia and such
2014-07-26 02:14 <BlueWall> my net was more robust before AT&T ate Bellsouth
2014-07-26 02:14 <nebadon> only place better for cellular service is probably South Korea
2014-07-26 02:15 <nebadon> they have like gigabit speed cellular service now I think
2014-07-26 02:15 <Dev_Random> and devices that can use it.
2014-07-26 02:16 <dahlia> dunno I think I average about 2gb/day download, probably mostly the sreaming audio I listen to
2014-07-26 02:17 <dahlia> *streaming
2014-07-26 02:17 <BlueWall> screaming
2014-07-26 02:17 <nebadon> yea comcast lets you see how much you use
2014-07-26 02:17 <dahlia> my router shows it
2014-07-26 02:17 <nebadon> few months i hit near a terabyte
2014-07-26 02:17 <BlueWall> is there a cap?
2014-07-26 02:17 <nebadon> most of the time i 500-750gb range
2014-07-26 02:17 <nebadon> we do a lot of netflix here
2014-07-26 02:17 <dahlia> i dont have a cap that Im aware of
2014-07-26 02:17 <nebadon> ya no caps here
2014-07-26 02:18 <nebadon> but you can see how much you use in the control panel with comcast kind of burried away some where
2014-07-26 02:18 <BlueWall> AT&T was talking about caps, then throttle at one time.
2014-07-26 02:18 <nebadon> everyones talked about it
2014-07-26 02:18 <BlueWall> I probalby kill it w/Netflix
2014-07-26 02:18 <nebadon> ya netflix is the destroyer
2014-07-26 02:18 <nebadon> i hate saying that cause it kind of makes the isps right in a way
2014-07-26 02:18 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-26 02:19 <nebadon> if everyone was doing netflix 
2014-07-26 02:19 <Dev_Random> I thought torrents were the destroyer
2014-07-26 02:19 <nebadon> the net would be a very slow place
2014-07-26 02:19 <nebadon> Its close
2014-07-26 02:19 <nebadon> netflix is nearly as bad as torrents
2014-07-26 02:19 <nebadon> in the USA
2014-07-26 02:19 <nebadon> not globally though
2014-07-26 02:19 <nebadon> globally torrents are way worse
2014-07-26 02:19 <BlueWall> but, if the ISP's used the fees for what they requested them for, there would be absolutly no issues
2014-07-26 02:19 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-26 02:19 <AllenKerensky> "the torrents are too damn high"
2014-07-26 02:19 <nebadon> comcast sort of is
2014-07-26 02:20 <nebadon> i got upgraded to 110mbps service free of charge
2014-07-26 02:20 <BlueWall> I hope Google kicks them off the planet, lol
2014-07-26 02:20 <nebadon> one day just poof faster
2014-07-26 02:20 <nebadon> i have found that cox and comcast about every 1-1.5 years they double their speed
2014-07-26 02:20 <AllenKerensky> someone needs to get Jimmy McMillan on these ISPs
2014-07-26 02:20 <Dev_Random> that happend to me too nebadon.. but just for a day, until they noticed
2014-07-26 02:20 <nebadon> atleast in California, Arizona and New Jersey
2014-07-26 02:20 <BlueWall> ATT halves theirs, hahaha
2014-07-26 02:20 <nebadon> im certain its not like that everywhere
2014-07-26 02:20 <dahlia> my router does this kind of stuff http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/dataUsage.jpg
2014-07-26 02:21 <nebadon> ya me too
2014-07-26 02:21 <nebadon> let me look at my router stats
2014-07-26 02:23 <nebadon> heh ya i dont have any charts like that but it does show totals
2014-07-26 02:24 <dahlia> DD-WRT FTW! :P
2014-07-26 02:24 <dahlia> lol
2014-07-26 02:24 <nebadon> mine has nice real time charts and graphs
2014-07-26 02:24 <nebadon> but not for monthly totals
2014-07-26 02:49 <BlueWall> take care
2014-07-26 02:49 <dahlia> bb
2014-07-26 04:21 <xso> is opensim webinterface-redux now incompatible?
2014-07-26 04:21 <xso> it seems to be looking for tables that dont exist
2014-07-26 04:46 <smxy> xso: that's been out of date for a very long time.
2014-07-26 04:59 <dahlia> xso: you might want to look at diva wifi
2014-07-26 08:17 <xso> I just started creating my own user creation form in php instead - I've got all the database tables populated that have referance to the UUID of the user, except userprofile
2014-07-26 08:17 <xso> I am getting this error "failed to generate login response"
2014-07-26 08:18 <xso> Do I absolutly need to give the user an avatar/inventory before they go online at bare minimum?
2014-07-26 08:28 <lkalif> yes
2014-07-26 08:43 <xso> I see the problem on troubleshooting thx, I will fix and see if it works :)
2014-07-26 08:44 <xso> "This exception is caused by the way MySQL store the table names"
2014-07-26 09:32 <xso> the troubleshooting manual is outdated by far I cant get the proper fix for this
2014-07-26 09:33 <xso> mysql 5.5 wont accept lower_case_sensitive=1
2014-07-26 09:56 <xso> the error is definatly not what i originally thought it was
2014-07-26 09:56 <xso> however there is someone that would definatly know how to fix it :) hi diva
2014-07-26 09:58 <xso> If you are there diva, I was wondering - I am creating a user creation form using php and I am getting the following error "Error generating Login Response"  I have populated the following tables, UserAccounts, auth, GridUser, userprofile all the fields in each of these tables has something in it
2014-07-26 09:59 <xso> my log says Exception: Invalid Guid format: nrt79qbz-cb0b-bbf4-524f-7d0425c3aea4
2014-07-26 09:59 <xso> I havent assigned anything when it comes to the users avatar or inventory
2014-07-26 10:01 <xso> diva: u recognize the problem?
2014-07-26 10:07 <xso> uppon reading the code of someone elses plugin the only difference I can see is that I havent populated inventoryfolders, and Avatars
2014-07-26 10:09 <xso> one guy didnt even populate Avatars - it looks like a real pain
2014-07-26 10:19 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-26 10:25 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-26 10:41 <danbanner> xso: nrt79qbz-cb0b-bbf4-524f-7d0425c3aea4 ?? 
2014-07-26 10:41 <danbanner> "In its canonical form, a UUID is represented by 32 lowercase hexadecimal digits"
2014-07-26 10:41 <danbanner> nrtqz are not valid
2014-07-26 11:11 <xso> thanks I rebuilt my UUID generation function and got past that thank u so much
2014-07-26 11:26 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-26 11:29 <osmantis> Bug #7243:04 [BULLETS SCENE] ProcessTaints BSPrim ForceBodyShapeRebuild 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7243 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-07-26 11:29 <osmantis> Bug #7249:04 [BULLETSIM LINKSET COMPOUND] Linkset rebuild warning If this happen s more than one or two times 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7249 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-07-26 11:36 <osmantis> Bug #7214:04 [SCRIPT] PRIM_MEDIA_AUTO_PLAY TRUE does not work with llSetLinkMedia 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7214 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-07-26 11:36 <osmantis> Bug #7209:04 [Script] PRIM_OMEGA return no values 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7209 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-07-26 11:42 <osmantis> Bug #7175:04 [SCRIPT] llGetVel() don't work with HUD + Vehicle 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7175 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-07-26 11:42 <osmantis> Bug #7177:04 [SCRIPT] llGetObjectDetails() don't work with HUD 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7177 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-07-26 11:43 <osmantis> Bug #6880:04 Print Notecard on Prim (MOAP) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6880 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-07-26 11:44 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-07-26 11:45 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-26 11:45 <osmantis> Bug #6855:04 [SCRIPT] llDetectedLinkNumber broken with collision in a link set 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6855 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-07-26 11:45 <osmantis> Bug #6782:04 [BulletSim] Bouding Box or Center of Mass or Similar problem 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6782 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-07-26 11:46 <osmantis> Bug #6977:04 Limit see and chat with avatars of others parcels do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6977 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-07-26 11:47 <osmantis> Bug #7147:04 Texture offset does not work properly in a linkset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7147 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-07-26 11:48 <osmantis> Bug #7167:04 [BulletSim] : llSetKeyframedMotion no 100% working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7167 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-07-26 12:35 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-26 12:47 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-26 12:55 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-26 12:59 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-26 13:02 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-26 13:07 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-26 19:18 <osmantis> Bug #7167:04 [BulletSim] : llSetKeyframedMotion no 100% working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7167 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-07-26 19:18 <osmantis> Bug #7249:04 [BULLETSIM LINKSET COMPOUND] Linkset rebuild warning If this happen s more than one or two times 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7249 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-07-26 19:31 <osmantis> Bug #7249:04 [BULLETSIM LINKSET COMPOUND] Linkset rebuild warning If this happen s more than one or two times 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7249 ): has been set as DUPLICATE OF issue 0007191.
2014-07-26 19:31 <osmantis> Bug #7191:04 [BULLETSIM] exception with linkset on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7191 ): The issue 0007249 has been set as DUPLICATE OF the following issue.
2014-07-26 19:53 <osmantis> Bug #7147:04 Texture offset does not work properly in a linkset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7147 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-07-26 21:38 <Plugh> D'oh. djphil entered and left already. :P
2014-07-26 21:43 <Misterblue> djphil is a little intermittant today
2014-07-26 21:47 <Plugh> yah, missed him again
2014-07-26 21:52 <Plugh> I was going to ask for clarification on the comment he added to mantis #6880.
2014-07-26 21:52 <Plugh> bbl. Time to start thinking about getting dinner readyl.
2014-07-26 22:28 <Plugh> djphil: I was just about to go for dinner. Do you have a moment?
2014-07-26 22:29 <Plugh> I'll try again later. I have to get dinner ready.
2014-07-26 22:29 <Plugh> bbl
2014-07-26 22:33 <djphil> yes ?
2014-07-26 23:06 <osmantis> Bug #7191:04 [BULLETSIM] exception with linkset on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7191 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-26 23:07 <Misterblue> hey djphil
2014-07-26 23:07 <djphil> hi
2014-07-26 23:08 <osmantis> Bug #7243:04 [BULLETS SCENE] ProcessTaints BSPrim ForceBodyShapeRebuild 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7243 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-07-26 23:08 <Misterblue> looking at your linkset creation problems
2014-07-26 23:08 <djphil> tyvm
2014-07-26 23:09 <djphil> i'm happy to see my mantis are assigned now :)
2014-07-26 23:09 <Misterblue> you can 'fix' the problem by deleting the object, but it just hides any problem
2014-07-26 23:09 <djphil> a little "up" was effective :)
2014-07-26 23:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #3723 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-26 23:09 <Misterblue> there is some race condition when creating complex linksets... haven't found it yet
2014-07-26 23:11 <Misterblue> is really a problem when a region starts -- lots of things happening at the same time when that happens... shows up all the race conditions :)
2014-07-26 23:11 <osmantis> Bug #7226:04 [PATCH]Bulletsim-- Implement Vehicle Reference Frame. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7226 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-07-26 23:12 <djphil> Hopefully a silk solution found soon
2014-07-26 23:12 <osmantis> Bug #6496:04 BulletSim -- Collision events not being activated all the time when prims collide with bullets. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6496 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-07-26 23:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3723: FAILURE in 8 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3723/
2014-07-26 23:14 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: rearrange code for sensing whether shapes have been
2014-07-26 23:14 <Misterblue> djphil. the last checking is not a fix but it should make things better
2014-07-26 23:14 <Misterblue> checkin
2014-07-26 23:15 <Misterblue> great friggin zot!! I have 64 open Mantis entries assigned to me
2014-07-26 23:16 <djphil> heh do one by one ^^
2014-07-26 23:16 <dahlia> zot? OMG
2014-07-26 23:17 <Misterblue> I'm a B.C. fan :)
2014-07-26 23:17 <dahlia> oh now I remember zot
2014-07-26 23:17 <dahlia> I was thinking emperor zod from flash gordon
2014-07-26 23:18 <djphil> lool
2014-07-26 23:18 <Misterblue> hey dahlia!! I've been thinking about creating a new viewer
2014-07-26 23:18 <Misterblue> I know it is a 'thing'...
2014-07-26 23:19 <dahlia> oh wait it's emperor MIng
2014-07-26 23:19 <dahlia> hmmm who was zod?
2014-07-26 23:19 <Misterblue> but I'm thinking something that just does rendering... like a X11 terminal for 3d worlds
2014-07-26 23:20 <dahlia> I dont follow
2014-07-26 23:20 <Misterblue> 
ACTION is not thinking of Zerg of Toy Story

2014-07-26 23:20 <dahlia> isnt LL viewer kinda like that?
2014-07-26 23:20 <Misterblue> well, I'm thinking all Javascript... only browser code
2014-07-26 23:21 <dahlia> ok....
2014-07-26 23:21 <Misterblue> and different data sources, rather than sending one data about the object to display, send javascript that renders the object
2014-07-26 23:21 <dahlia> I dont understand
2014-07-26 23:21 <Misterblue> so, if one is in a region that has both OS and HiFi avatars, each would be rendered by their own JS code
2014-07-26 23:22 <dahlia> javascript is horribly slow....
2014-07-26 23:22 <Misterblue> the interface to the view would run each of the codes
2014-07-26 23:23 <dahlia> javascript is INSANELY slow...
2014-07-26 23:23 <Misterblue> so it would be like X11 which is a protocol to render things in 2d space... this would be a protocol to render in a viewed 3d space
2014-07-26 23:24 <dahlia> well opengl is just 2d rendering with a depth buffer
2014-07-26 23:24 <Misterblue> different things displayed in the 3d space would have their own viewers that read whatever data they needed and output rendering instructions into the 3D viewer space
2014-07-26 23:25 <Misterblue> opengl would probably be the basic 'thing' model since it is the platform found in WebGL, Unity, ...
2014-07-26 23:25 <dahlia> why not just use a entity-component model and have component types for SL stuff and HiFi stuff?
2014-07-26 23:26 <Misterblue> something like that... by using the Javascript workers, the renderers fr tht different views of the objects would be loaded from the object sources and then rendered in the local view
2014-07-26 23:27 <dahlia> threading isn't a reality with opengl
2014-07-26 23:28 <dahlia> only one thread can use a context at one time
2014-07-26 23:28 <Misterblue> the central rendering thread (the root of the view) would be as optimized webgl as possible (asm.js or whatever)
2014-07-26 23:28 <dahlia> and passing it around is a huge mess
2014-07-26 23:29 <dahlia> isnt asm.js firefox only?
2014-07-26 23:29 <dahlia> but you could probably use typed arrays
2014-07-26 23:29 <Misterblue> the rendering of objects, views and avatars would happen as javascript workers (different threads) that output 'rendering commands' that are performed by the central, optimized viewer
2014-07-26 23:30 <Misterblue> the overall app would be separate windows -- viewer, chat, inventory, ...
2014-07-26 23:30 <dahlia> is this something you tried?
2014-07-26 23:30 <Misterblue> none of this 'everything embedded into one app' stuf
2014-07-26 23:30 <Misterblue> I'm consistant :)
2014-07-26 23:31 <dahlia> consistant in what?
2014-07-26 23:31 <Misterblue> it's something I've tried and am still thinking about
2014-07-26 23:31 <dahlia> you've tried multithreaded rendering?
2014-07-26 23:31 <dahlia> with OpenGL?
2014-07-26 23:31 <Misterblue> the basic app structure should be all HTML5'ish -- separate web pages that are JS to do chat, inventory, ...
2014-07-26 23:32 <dahlia> it's the multithreaded rendering that I have doubts about
2014-07-26 23:32 <Misterblue> the viewer should be just a renderer that connects to things that give it rendering commands
2014-07-26 23:33 <Misterblue> the rendering commands could be from avatar renderers or from 'region managers' that present views of regions in the distance
2014-07-26 23:33 <dahlia> I guess it depends on how one defines "rendering commands"
2014-07-26 23:33 <Misterblue> ya... that would be the challange -- what are the right basic functions
2014-07-26 23:34 <Misterblue> it is a slippery slope... does skeletons go into the central renderer? animations? How to incorporate particles? Dynamic objects?
2014-07-26 23:35 <Misterblue> What is the X11 protocol for 3d worlds?
2014-07-26 23:35 <dahlia> you can thread stuff like texture or mesh decompression... but rendering is typically done on the GPU and having the GPU be controlled by multiple threads is a lot of work for probably a big loss in performance
2014-07-26 23:36 <dahlia> I do animation in shaders
2014-07-26 23:36 <Misterblue> and more and more things are going into the GPU... there is also procedural object rendering... where does that happen?
2014-07-26 23:36 <dahlia> shaders = little programs that run on the GPU
2014-07-26 23:36 <Misterblue> exactly
2014-07-26 23:36 <dahlia> any rendering is usually done on the GPU
2014-07-26 23:37 <dahlia> building procedural objects to be passed to the GPU is usually done on the CPU
2014-07-26 23:37 <dahlia> unless you have an advanced GPU and a more capable API than webgl offers
2014-07-26 23:38 <Misterblue> I think of a "pipeline" from the object definition to the screen. One question is how to design a system so the shader for an object could move from the object definition to the screen while also allowing other software to do other rendering for other objects
2014-07-26 23:39 <Misterblue> most existing systems have it all done manually -- someone decided that is object is CPU code and that object is other software
2014-07-26 23:39 <dahlia> well typically in OpenGL, rendering is done asyncronously from the main client rendering thread
2014-07-26 23:39 <Misterblue> I'd like to build a system where one could do either
2014-07-26 23:41 <Misterblue> I've been going through the HiFi code... I want to create an OS module that makes an OS simulator a HiFi space
2014-07-26 23:41 <dahlia> well.... it's taken me several years of many sleepless nights to develop the rendering systems I have, it's not a trival endeavour
2014-07-26 23:42 <Misterblue> I don't like how they are creating their viewers -- they are re-inventing SL
2014-07-26 23:42 <dahlia> oh SL? no idea. Its closed door development AFAIK
2014-07-26 23:43 <Misterblue> I don't doubt the the amount of work... getting rendering right is hard work
2014-07-26 23:45 <LiruCookies> SL2? That's probably a protocol break too.
2014-07-26 23:45 <dahlia> you could probably get half way there with toolkits like THREE.js but then you hit a performance bottleneck and have to either accept the limited performance or start over from scratch
2014-07-26 23:45 <dahlia> LiruCookies: I imagine SL2 is a everything break
2014-07-26 23:46 <LiruCookies> dahlia: I doubt it, generally, code will be reused if it can be, I think the base is going to be quite similar.
2014-07-26 23:46 <LiruCookies> Remember, LL has complete control over their opensource code's license
2014-07-26 23:46 <dahlia> LiruCookies: I haven't heard that at all. I heard all new
2014-07-26 23:47 <LiruCookies> They would claim all new, sure, but think logically, there are existing libraries that are perfectly fine, or even new and worked hard on.
2014-07-26 23:47 <dahlia> I also heard no backwards compatibility with current SL
2014-07-26 23:47 <Misterblue> 
ACTION has wondered how much of the LGPL'ed viewer could be extracted... could avatar rendering be extracted and converted into JS?

2014-07-26 23:48 <dahlia> LiruCookies: the SL system is far from the only solution out there, and it's mostly tech from a decade ago
2014-07-26 23:49 <LiruCookies> dahlia: LLCoreHTTP is modern, llmath is easily reusable
2014-07-26 23:49 <dahlia> 
ACTION has avatar rendering code that isnt based on LL code

2014-07-26 23:50 <LiruCookies> llappearance is recent, no reason to scrap that.
2014-07-26 23:50 <dahlia> LiruCookies: most people who use OpenGL use glm
2014-07-26 23:50 <LiruCookies> dahlia: Mew?
2014-07-26 23:51 <Misterblue> dahlia.. maybe a private conversation... but where are you going with all your viewer development?
2014-07-26 23:51 <dahlia> LiruCookies: http://glm.g-truc.net/0.9.5/index.html
2014-07-26 23:51 <dahlia> Misterblue: yes a private conversation :)
2014-07-26 23:52 <LiruCookies> dahlia: That is an option, but do you know LL not to use their own code?
2014-07-26 23:53 <LiruCookies> Also, I wonder if they will reuse LLSD
2014-07-26 23:53 <dahlia> LiruCookies: 3d math isnt all that difficult to write from scratch
2014-07-26 23:53 <dahlia> but I seriously doubt LL will leverage much, if any of the existing code
2014-07-26 23:54 <LiruCookies> Why?
2014-07-26 23:54 <dahlia> because technology has evolved and they would be left far behind
2014-07-26 23:55 <LiruCookies> As technology has evolved, so have their libraries.
2014-07-26 23:55 <dahlia> and LL does use external libs, like boost, apr, a few others
2014-07-26 23:56 <dahlia> assuming LL uses OpenGL at all
2014-07-26 23:56 <LiruCookies> Yes, I am aware, I jist do not think they want to diverge so much without reason, it is time and money
2014-07-26 23:56 <dahlia> they may be targeting newer APIs
2014-07-26 23:56 <LiruCookies> Viewer uses opengl, lets them be crossplatform
2014-07-26 23:57 <LiruCookies> There are those two.new omes but they limit to.newer gpus, don't they?
2014-07-26 23:57 <dahlia> you mean mantle and metal?
2014-07-26 23:58 <LiruCookies> Mantle, yes, I forgot the other one by name so maybe metal
2014-07-26 23:58 <dahlia> they could abstract the rendering such that they could swap between mantle, metal, and D3D12
2014-07-26 23:58 <Misterblue> I want to totally abandon LLLP (Linden Lab Legacy Protocol)
2014-07-26 23:59 <Misterblue> woudl should create a new viewer that talks a new protocol
2014-07-26 23:59 <dahlia> well you wont get LLUDP to work in a webgl app because browsers cant do UDP
2014-07-26 23:59 <Misterblue> an OS region module that talks a new protocol... LLLP compatability would be a feature addition
2014-07-27 00:00 <Misterblue> I define LLLP (Linden Lab Legacy Protocol) as that whole UDP/IP/Caps mess
2014-07-27 00:00 <dahlia> ya its a mess but it's pervasive throughout opensim
2014-07-27 00:00 <Misterblue> it grew over time and serves it function... but it is not a good base for the future
2014-07-27 00:01 <LiruCookies> What is wrong with caps?
2014-07-27 00:01 <dahlia> caps is a reasonably good idea in theory but the implementation in opensim is a disaster
2014-07-27 00:02 <dahlia> although there have been some attempts to clean it up
2014-07-27 00:02 <Misterblue> 'bearer certificates' have been discussed many different ways... if you want detailed access control lists there are new technologies
2014-07-27 00:02 <LiruCookies> Well opensim caps impl is not lart of LL's mess
2014-07-27 00:02 <dahlia> Im not familiar with those
2014-07-27 00:03 <Misterblue> check out Macaroons at http://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.com/en/us/pubs/archive/41892.pdf 
2014-07-27 00:03 <LiruCookies> part*
2014-07-27 00:03 <dahlia> Misterblue: will read later
2014-07-27 01:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #3724 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #3722 23 hr ago)
2014-07-27 01:12 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2014-07-27 01:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3724: FIXED in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3724/
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2014-07-27 02:53 <smxy> That's interesting. I just logged into my grid at last location and, sure enough, it put me in my last location: Kitely Grid.
2014-07-27 02:54 <smxy> Then again, the last location in *my* grid, would have been colliding with the gate to Kitely, so maybe what happened is while the login screen was up, it logged me in against the gate which sent me to Kitely before the login screen cleared ...
2014-07-27 02:56 <nebadon> hah 
2014-07-27 02:56 <nebadon> sounds like something from the game portal
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2014-07-27 09:57 <osmantis> Bug #6789:04 BulletSim: Consuming vast amounts of CPU 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-27 10:38 <lkalif> I thouhgt I knew all of the most important c# features...
2014-07-27 10:39 <lkalif> But just today I discovered "extension methods", a very very useful feature allowing you to add methods to existing classes without inherting them
2014-07-27 10:40 <lkalif> So say you want to add TittleCase() to standaed string class. Just add a static method to any static class with signature like this
2014-07-27 10:40 <lkalif> public static string TitleCase(this string input)
2014-07-27 10:40 <lkalif> ^ nothe this in method signature
2014-07-27 10:42 <osmantis> Bug #6977:04 Limit see and chat with avatars of others parcels do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6977 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-27 10:44 <lkalif> now every string in your code has TitleCase() without having to change the type to some inherited class
2014-07-27 12:28 <osmantis> Bug #6977:04 Limit see and chat with avatars of others parcels do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6977 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-27 12:36 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-27 12:56 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-27 13:08 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-27 13:08 <velusuniverse> Hostmaster E-mail address: admin.velusuniverse.co.uk
2014-07-27 13:08 <velusuniverse> Serial #: 2014072711 ?
2014-07-27 13:21 <osmantis> Bug #6977:04 Limit see and chat with avatars of others parcels do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6977 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-27 14:27 <alt_drone> hello
2014-07-27 14:27 <alt_drone> last few days bene playing with vars and bullesim
2014-07-27 14:27 <alt_drone> 2 questions
2014-07-27 14:28 <alt_drone>  have bene unable to get bulletsim running under any type of grid setup (standalong and hypergrid standalong work  but only those 2) , rest of the time it defaults to ODE like behavior
2014-07-27 14:28 <alt_drone> questionbeing can bulletsim run under a grid setting
2014-07-27 14:29 <alt_drone> second issue is of  var regions  , can they be run under a grid setting (was never able  acess it when there was more thanone presant)
2014-07-27 14:31 <nebadon> ODE should not work at all with vars
2014-07-27 14:32 <nebadon> only Bulletsim has the capability of working with varregions and yes it works fine with Grid mode
2014-07-27 14:33 <nebadon> really a varregion is no different than a regular region in this regards
2014-07-27 14:33 <nebadon> the only difference with configurations is setting the X/Y size in Regions.ini, otherwise in terms of configurations they are virtually the same
2014-07-27 14:39 <alt_drone> i will have to make a fresh grid  for testing then  some of this has been problematic in past
2014-07-27 14:39 <alt_drone> and not ODE per se but ode like behavior
2014-07-27 14:40 <alt_drone> that is to say  when running  connected to a robust server    the physics acts blocky and unresponsive  ,similarly to ode
2014-07-27 14:42 <nebadon> my guess is you are overloading the system
2014-07-27 14:42 <nebadon> i recall you saying you were consolidating all your regions into just a few vars
2014-07-27 14:43 <alt_drone> that was for a test
2014-07-27 14:43 <nebadon> if you are experience bad performance this may be why
2014-07-27 14:43 <nebadon> ah ok
2014-07-27 14:43 <alt_drone>  the physics issue is presant all the way down to anythign more than 2 regions
2014-07-27 14:43 <alt_drone>  in grid (plenty work fine in standalone)
2014-07-27 14:43 <nebadon> that really doesnt make any sense must be something else
2014-07-27 14:44 <nebadon> its not grid mode that would cause those kind of problems
2014-07-27 14:44 <nebadon> if anything grid mode should run better
2014-07-27 14:44 <nebadon> because the services are more distributed
2014-07-27 14:44 <nebadon> and not everything in 1 process
2014-07-27 14:44 <alt_drone> i understand , and it shoudlnt but those are the conditions under withc iv seent he difference
2014-07-27 14:44 <alt_drone>  sorry for typos lol
2014-07-27 14:45 <nebadon> hmm
2014-07-27 14:45 <alt_drone>  but i will test
2014-07-27 14:45 <nebadon> really there shouldnt be any noticeable difference between grid mode and standalone if you were running the same content
2014-07-27 14:46 <alt_drone> even on a blank  grid
2014-07-27 14:46 <alt_drone> literally  the issue seems ot happen when you change the config includes to indicate standalone or grid (both are configured )
2014-07-27 14:46 <alt_drone> withci always found weried
2014-07-27 14:46 <alt_drone>  brb a few supply run
2014-07-27 19:57 <techplex> Is there a way to get maptiles from opensim that will work on most grids?
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2014-07-27 22:57 <Abitar> quick ?:  where is the parcels data (like owner) is stored?  
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2014-07-28 02:30 <smxy> How does one propose and enhancement?
2014-07-28 02:30 <smxy> an*
2014-07-28 02:30 <smxy> I know Mantis isn't for that.
2014-07-28 02:33 <Dev_Random> there's this.... http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Feature_Proposals
2014-07-28 02:34 <smxy> I meant someplace a OpenSim dev and a Firestorm dev might actually see it someday. :)
2014-07-28 02:34 <Dev_Random> ha... somebody snarkily pointed me there when I added a feature request in mantis.
2014-07-28 02:35 <Dev_Random> (not a Dev)
2014-07-28 02:36 <smxy> We can set the URL to the Destination Guide for V3 viewers. That's great, but it only gets set a login time so it's only useful for the residents of your grid. If it were passed to the viewer and the viewer set it when you HG to a grid, too, then it would be a perfect way to let visitors know of points of interest in your grid.
2014-07-28 02:37 <Dev_Random> if you phrase your enhancement request as a failing of the current system, it becomes a bug and belongs in mantis
2014-07-28 02:37 <smxy> Right now, when I jump to another grid and pull up the guide, I get my grid's guide.
2014-07-28 02:39 <smxy> I have a feeling the OpenSim side of it would be really easy, as I think there's the "extras" feature that lets us pass stuff up to the viewer. If so, then the patch to push that up might be really easy, but then the viewer has to do something with it.
2014-07-28 02:39 <smxy> And that requires a V3 dev.
2014-07-28 02:40 <smxy> Diva an lkalif did that with something for the map, a I recall.
2014-07-28 02:40 <smxy> as*
2014-07-28 06:15 <LiruCookies> smxy: Destination guide also exists in Singularity under search, and since I am the one who provides upstream of OpenSimExtras to viewers, if you implement something and ask me, I can easily get it distributed where it needs to go
2014-07-28 08:53 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-28 11:01 <lkalif> LiruCookies: you are no longer upstream of anything. You chose to be petty instead of working on opensource.
2014-07-28 12:54 <smxy> LiruCookies: I didn't know it existed In Singularity - thanks. I'll definitely keep that in mind. :)
2014-07-28 13:09 <smxy> LiruCookies: I'm sure I'm just blind and missing it, but I don't see the Destination Guide under Search. Does it need to be enabled somehow?
2014-07-28 14:10 <nebadon> I tried making that Destination guide work on OSCC grid
2014-07-28 14:10 <nebadon> using Ai Austins instructions and I could not make it work
2014-07-28 14:11 <nebadon> no idea what I am doing wrong
2014-07-28 14:11 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, i have it working on my grid
2014-07-28 14:11 <AliciaRaven> let me see what the ini line is..
2014-07-28 14:12 <nebadon> this is what i followed
2014-07-28 14:12 <nebadon> http://blog.inf.ed.ac.uk/atate/2014/07/17/enabling-the-viewer-destination-guide-for-opensim-grids/
2014-07-28 14:12 <AliciaRaven> [GridInfoService] destination = "http://www.yoursite.com/yourpage.php"
2014-07-28 14:12 <nebadon> my biggest problem was I cant find the destination guide in any viewer
2014-07-28 14:13 <nebadon> i have everything set for simulator side
2014-07-28 14:13 <nebadon> but i cant find destination guide in any viewer, not even Firestorm
2014-07-28 14:13 <nebadon> the hassle of the whole thing makes it seem worthless
2014-07-28 14:13 <nebadon> if someone like me cant figure it out
2014-07-28 14:13 <AliciaRaven> in firestorm, its the map marker icon, left side of screen
2014-07-28 14:13 <nebadon> how is this helpful to a newbie
2014-07-28 14:13 <nebadon> let me look again
2014-07-28 14:14 <nebadon> the fact this thing is so burried i just don't see how this is in anyway useful to anyone
2014-07-28 14:14 <AliciaRaven> not sure what the name for the icon is, map pin maybe
2014-07-28 14:15 <nebadon> im logging in now with firestorm
2014-07-28 14:15 <nebadon> ok so ya this is working
2014-07-28 14:15 <nebadon> but the fact that I couldnt find this, I just don't know it seems questionable how useful it actually is to me
2014-07-28 14:16 <nebadon> glad to see it does actually work though
2014-07-28 14:16 <AliciaRaven> i think alot of people comming from sl would know about it and expect it, i did
2014-07-28 14:16 <lkalif> I doubt it
2014-07-28 14:17 <nebadon> I definitely cant find it in Replex
2014-07-28 14:17 <nebadon> maybe its just not there at all in replex
2014-07-28 14:19 <AliciaRaven> strange that both DestinationGuide and destination work in grid info
2014-07-28 14:19 <lkalif> replex has evertything that is in Singularity repo
2014-07-28 14:23 <nebadon> must be an option to enable it some where maybe i cant find it, its definitely not in search for Replex
2014-07-28 14:23 <nebadon> let me try singularity
2014-07-28 14:32 <lkalif> There is notning in singularity that is not in replex
2014-07-28 14:32 <nebadon> ya I don't know i cant find it in Singularity either, if its in there it must be disabled by default and some hidden way to enable it
2014-07-28 14:32 <nebadon> its not in preferences
2014-07-28 14:32 <lkalif> not in the singularity that you can dowmload
2014-07-28 14:33 <nebadon> perhaps its a debug message, too many debug options for me to easily locate it
2014-07-28 14:35 <osmantis> Bug #7283:04 Wiki should be updated to indicate that Get/Set primitive params is currently not fully implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7283 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-28 14:36 <osmantis> Bug #6824:04 script method to get/set materials textures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6824 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007283.
2014-07-28 14:36 <osmantis> Bug #7283:04 Wiki should be updated to indicate that Get/Set primitive params is currently not fully implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7283 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006824.
2014-07-28 14:38 <osmantis> Bug #7283:04 Wiki should be updated to indicate that Get/Set primitive params is currently not fully implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7283 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-28 14:39 <nebadon> LiroCookies any hints on this?
2014-07-28 14:40 <nebadon> be nice to know incase people ask
2014-07-28 14:40 <lkalif> nebadon: what is the problem?
2014-07-28 14:40 <nebadon> also as much as this doesnt seem useful to me, it might be good to have at OSCC, and since we will probably have a custom viewer for the OSCC conference based on Singularity, since melanie will likely be creating this viewer, maybe have it enable by default in that viewer
2014-07-28 14:41 <nebadon> oh just testing the destination guide thing
2014-07-28 14:41 <nebadon> LiruCookies made it sound like Destination Guide should be in the Singularity Search, but its not
2014-07-28 14:41 <nebadon> and i dont see anyway in any of the preferences to enable or view the destination guide
2014-07-28 14:42 <lkalif> LiruCookies will not help solve any issues. He decided to hide all his commits until Siana makes their alpha server work. I guess in order to saborage Replex.
2014-07-28 14:42 <lkalif> And since Siana rarely does anything useful, I wouldn't expect anything to come from LiruCookies either.
2014-07-28 14:42 <nebadon> heh well politics a side, i just wanted clarification on what he said earlier, I don't care about the politics
2014-07-28 14:43 <nebadon> ain't nobody got time for that! lol
2014-07-28 14:43 <AliciaRaven> did he mean websearch maybe, thats all thats in search other than v1 style search tabs
2014-07-28 14:43 <nebadon> oh hrmm
2014-07-28 14:43 <lkalif> That's a great policy: "we cannot build alphas, nobody else will build them. keep the code collecting dust and bitrot"
2014-07-28 14:43 <nebadon> good point, technically it is v2 style
2014-07-28 14:44 <nebadon> i did see a setting some where to enable v2 search
2014-07-28 14:44 <nebadon> cant remember where now though lol
2014-07-28 14:44 <lkalif> do you know what login response key is for desti8nation guide?
2014-07-28 14:44 <nebadon> but that pretty much defeats the purpose
2014-07-28 14:44 <nebadon> trade all of search capability for destination guide
2014-07-28 14:45 <nebadon> if thats the case then im not going to even bother testing it
2014-07-28 14:45 <nebadon> I do not lkalif
2014-07-28 14:45 <nebadon> i was just following Ai's guide
2014-07-28 14:45 <lkalif> 
ACTION fires up WGP

2014-07-28 14:45 <nebadon> he asked me if i could enable it on the OSCC grid
2014-07-28 14:45 <lkalif> where is the guide?
2014-07-28 14:45 <nebadon> http://blog.inf.ed.ac.uk/atate/2014/07/17/enabling-the-viewer-destination-guide-for-opensim-grids/
2014-07-28 14:46 <nebadon> http://cc.opensimulator.org/guide.html
2014-07-28 14:46 <nebadon> i just copied his for now
2014-07-28 14:46 <nebadon> i havent customized it at all yet
2014-07-28 14:47 <lkalif> well destination guide is part of the search in singularity/replex because lindens display it there
2014-07-28 14:48 <nebadon> right
2014-07-28 14:48 <nebadon> but by default in Sing/Rep it uses v1 search
2014-07-28 14:48 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, might be an idea to add it to the example ini file, the grid info section is missing afew
2014-07-28 14:48 <nebadon> not v2 search like LL does
2014-07-28 14:48 <nebadon> i thought it was in the example
2014-07-28 14:48 <lkalif> v2 search is there, under web
2014-07-28 14:48 <nebadon> that where i got it from
2014-07-28 14:48 <nebadon> Web?
2014-07-28 14:49 <AliciaRaven> it is?
2014-07-28 14:49 <nebadon> for destination guide?
2014-07-28 14:49 <lkalif> http://i.imgur.com/JacuvoF.png
2014-07-28 14:49 <nebadon>     ; For V3 destination guide
2014-07-28 14:49 <nebadon>     ; DestinationGuide = "http://127.0.0.1/guide"
2014-07-28 14:49 <nebadon> copied right from the Robust HG example ini
2014-07-28 14:50 <nebadon> what the heck
2014-07-28 14:50 <AliciaRaven> ah not in non hg example then
2014-07-28 14:50 <nebadon> my search looks nothing like that
2014-07-28 14:50 <nebadon> oh really
2014-07-28 14:50 <nebadon> let me look
2014-07-28 14:50 <nebadon> AliciaRaven it is
2014-07-28 14:50 <lkalif> nebadon: Web tab under search, on SL Grid
2014-07-28 14:50 <nebadon> oh SL grid
2014-07-28 14:51 <lkalif> it's a web site
2014-07-28 14:51 <nebadon> i dont ever go there
2014-07-28 14:51 <nebadon> soo
2014-07-28 14:51 <nebadon> right
2014-07-28 14:51 <nebadon> i guess opensim doesnt have access to it
2014-07-28 14:51 <nebadon> must be SL only
2014-07-28 14:51 <lkalif> v2 search is a web site
2014-07-28 14:51 <nebadon> so i have to enable v2 search in opensim to see destination guide?
2014-07-28 14:51 <lkalif> no
2014-07-28 14:52 <nebadon> ok then it doesnt work with opensim
2014-07-28 14:52 <nebadon> must be SL only
2014-07-28 14:52 <lkalif> there is no destination guide UI as far as I can tell in replex/singularuty
2014-07-28 14:52 <lkalif> you are not listening to me
2014-07-28 14:52 <nebadon> no i understand
2014-07-28 14:52 <nebadon> ours is website too
2014-07-28 14:52 <nebadon> its just not coming up in opensim
2014-07-28 14:52 <nebadon> there is no web tab
2014-07-28 14:52 <lkalif> V3 has a special window for destination guide
2014-07-28 14:52 <nebadon> right
2014-07-28 14:52 <nebadon> in Firestorm its a button
2014-07-28 14:52 <lkalif> there is no such window in singularity
2014-07-28 14:53 <nebadon> ok thats what i was wondering
2014-07-28 14:53 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, found it, srry, i have it set in grid info not login section, didnt know it can be set in either
2014-07-28 14:53 <lkalif> lindens chose to put the destination guide as a part of search too
2014-07-28 14:53 <lkalif> search is just a web page
2014-07-28 14:53 <nebadon> right
2014-07-28 14:53 <nebadon> in Firestorm destination guide has its own button
2014-07-28 14:53 <lkalif> so adding an extra row there for destination guide is no big deal
2014-07-28 14:53 <nebadon> thats not part of search
2014-07-28 14:53 <nebadon> nice
2014-07-28 14:53 <nebadon> that might be useful for OSCC
2014-07-28 14:53 <nebadon> and im sure other grids might appreciate it
2014-07-28 14:54 <nebadon> the way Firestorm did it is nice, however its not very obvious what the button does
2014-07-28 14:54 <nebadon> i explored firestorm for 20+ minutes looking for destination guide and gave up
2014-07-28 14:55 <nebadon> even thogh the button could not be more obvious in its location, it wasnt obvious what the button does
2014-07-28 14:55 <lkalif> nebadon: are you going to build a special OSCC viewer this year?
2014-07-28 14:55 <nebadon> I think so if Melanie is up for it
2014-07-28 14:55 <nebadon> or if anyone volunteers to do one
2014-07-28 14:56 <lkalif> I could build it no problem
2014-07-28 14:56 <nebadon> not sure  if she will have the time or not
2014-07-28 14:56 <nebadon> ok we'll have a meeting soon i'll bring it up and see whats up
2014-07-28 14:56 <nebadon> we havent really talked about that at all this year really yet
2014-07-28 14:56 <lkalif> Making Replex exposed a lot of "branding" issues, so spinning up a custom viewer is super easy now.
2014-07-28 14:56 <nebadon> came up very breifly few weeks back only as a lets talk about that soon kind of thing
2014-07-28 14:57 <nebadon> ok thats good
2014-07-28 14:57 <lkalif> well if Melanie_ gets to decide that.. then I dont think it will happen lol
2014-07-28 14:58 <nebadon> no its not he decision she has a say but ultimately its up to the planning comittee as a whole to decide
2014-07-28 14:58 <lkalif> anyway, if you want it, I will build it for you
2014-07-28 14:58 <nebadon> ok cool thanks
2014-07-28 14:58 <nebadon> we have a lot of time still so nothing urgent
2014-07-28 14:58 <nebadon> infact probably best to wait until much closer to the event to start rolling that up
2014-07-28 14:59 <nebadon> i'll get the ball rolling soon though
2014-07-28 15:01 <lkalif> Nope, there is no DestinationGuide handling from that setting, double checked it
2014-07-28 15:01 <nebadon> ok cool thanks for looking
2014-07-28 15:02 <smxy> The Destination Guide really needs to be set when you HGTP to a grid too, not just on login to a grid, as it is now, so that you can see their Destinations.
2014-07-28 15:02 <nebadon> that sounds feasible i would think
2014-07-28 15:02 <BlueWall_AFK> That would be cool to add to the viewer
2014-07-28 15:02 <smxy> I think it should be easy enough to add it to the OpenSimExtras SD map.
2014-07-28 15:02 <lkalif> yes
2014-07-28 15:03 <smxy> Then the viewer can see if it's set and if it is, change it in the viewer.
2014-07-28 15:03 <smxy> OSD*
2014-07-28 15:03 <lkalif> let me take a peek to see how the destination guide is implemented in the first place
2014-07-28 15:04 <smxy> It would be awesimne to go to a grid and pop that up and see whatever it is they'd like you to see about their grid.
2014-07-28 15:04 <smxy> awesome*
2014-07-28 15:04 <lkalif> sure
2014-07-28 15:04 <BlueWall> you can make it dynamic with AJAX too
2014-07-28 15:04 <nebadon> ya this whole things ease of use needs to be imrpoved a bit
2014-07-28 15:04 <nebadon> have to say testing this was super frustrating
2014-07-28 15:04 <nebadon> not being able to find the freakin destination guide
2014-07-28 15:04 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-28 15:05 <smxy> I set it up to just pop a page that says "Hello.", in about 5 minutes.
2014-07-28 15:05 <nebadon> even on Firestorm where it definitely has the button and works
2014-07-28 15:05 <nebadon> i spent 20-25 minutes trying to find it and couldnt
2014-07-28 15:05 <smxy> Yes, took me longer to get back that buttonm I'd deleted, than anything else. :)
2014-07-28 15:06 <nebadon> a menu option would be nice
2014-07-28 15:06 <nebadon> beause unlabled buttons are good if you have pre-existing knowledge
2014-07-28 15:06 <lkalif> yeah, World -> Destination Guide
2014-07-28 15:06 <nebadon> ya exactly
2014-07-28 15:06 <smxy> That would be *perfect*.
2014-07-28 15:06 <lkalif> I'll add it
2014-07-28 15:07 <smxy> Yes, it requires the grid owner to be able to create an appropriate web page or pages, but the usefulness of it is worth it, I think.
2014-07-28 15:08 <smxy> Oops, late for work ...
2014-07-28 15:14 <smxy> It does look like it was implemented differently in V2 and V3. I think I like the V3 way more, personally.
2014-07-28 15:15 <lkalif> linden one is simply loading http://lecs-viewer-web-components.s3.amazonaws.com/v3.0/agni/guide.html
2014-07-28 15:16 <smxy> Yeah, both ways load a web page. Just in V2 it looks like a web page and in V3 it's constrained vertcally so it's a varying width floater.
2014-07-28 15:16 <smxy> At least that's how it looks.
2014-07-28 15:17 <lkalif> nebadon: so it does work in firestorm?
2014-07-28 15:18 <smxy> It works for me.
2014-07-28 15:18 <AliciaRaven> i have destination guide set in login section and grid info, maybe the one in grid info is not used (could have added it when copying settings from aurora)
2014-07-28 15:18 <nebadon> lkalif yes
2014-07-28 15:19 <nebadon> ya AliciaRaven [LoginService] is the correct place
2014-07-28 15:20 <AliciaRaven> if opensim does read both maybe that could fix smxy's hg teleport problem, if a hg teleport calls grid info service?
2014-07-28 15:20 <nebadon> its definitely not a variable in Grid Manager
2014-07-28 15:20 <nebadon> I dont think it does
2014-07-28 15:21 <nebadon> GridInfo is for grid managers
2014-07-28 15:21 <nebadon> i don't think any of that has to do anything with HG
2014-07-28 15:21 <AliciaRaven> k just wishful thinking then lol
2014-07-28 15:21 <smxy> I really think OpenSimExtras is the place to tell the vieewer the value when connecting to a new region.
2014-07-28 15:23 <smxy> But I am not a Dev. I just poked at the code and saw it's currently only used in the LoginService, and that OpenSimExtras is how we pass a few other optional things, that might change per region, up to the viewer.
2014-07-28 15:24 <BlueWall> If the viwer suports it, then each region owner could set their own value for it
2014-07-28 15:25 <BlueWall> The grid default would be sent on login, as it is now
2014-07-28 15:25 <smxy> Is it really a region thing though or a grid thing?
2014-07-28 15:25 <BlueWall> Well, we set the SimulatorFeatures - Extras in the OpenSim.ini
2014-07-28 15:26 <smxy> Hmm
2014-07-28 15:26 <BlueWall> If we want it to be a grid thing, then we need to setup a service that can pass the defaults to the region.
2014-07-28 15:26 <smxy> Ah.
2014-07-28 15:26 <BlueWall> Since we have support for default regions of entry for HG, then it can still be a grid thing
2014-07-28 15:28 <BlueWall> If we set a default region of entry of HG, we can set that in the default region.
2014-07-28 15:29 <BlueWall> I have not tested whether the extras are sent we a user teleports within a grid?
2014-07-28 15:29 <BlueWall> Could regions override the map or search urls?
2014-07-28 15:29 <BlueWall> (within a local grid)
2014-07-28 15:31 <nebadon> i dont think so
2014-07-28 15:31 <nebadon> I think robust dishes out all that info directly to viewer
2014-07-28 15:31 <nebadon> at login
2014-07-28 15:32 <BlueWall> ;MapImageServerURI = "http://127.0.0.1:9000/"
2014-07-28 15:32 <BlueWall> ;SearchServerURI = "http://127.0.0.1:9000/"
2014-07-28 15:32 <BlueWall> those are in OpenSim.ini [SimulatorFeatures]
2014-07-28 15:32 <nebadon> yea search makes sense
2014-07-28 15:32 <nebadon> MapImage maybe
2014-07-28 15:32 <nebadon> but I dont think that changes the map itself
2014-07-28 15:33 <nebadon> it just changes where the jpgs are retreived from
2014-07-28 15:33 <BlueWall> those are sent to the viewer as the url to ask for map tiles or search
2014-07-28 15:33 <BlueWall> te actual servers
2014-07-28 15:34 <smxy> I guess what I was proposing was that the grid enable the simulators to know what the grid's destination guide url was and then pass it up via http://opensimulator.org/wiki/SimulatorFeatures_Extras unchanged.
2014-07-28 15:35 <smxy> Then if it was passed, the viewer would change to use it instead.
2014-07-28 15:35 <smxy> But perhaps that's not the correct way, technically.
2014-07-28 15:35 <smxy> Dunno.
2014-07-28 15:42 <lkalif> nebadon: on which grid have you setup this?
2014-07-28 15:44 <nebadon> OSCC lkalif
2014-07-28 17:39 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-28 17:40 <osmantis> Bug #7283:04 Wiki should be updated to indicate that Get/Set primitive params is currently not fully implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7283 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-28 17:42 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-07-28 17:51 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-28 17:54 <osmantis> Bug #7238:04 Attachments dont show in guest grid after you did hypergrid to it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7238 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-28 18:11 <Plugh> I've run into a C# compile issue with a custom module I have. I get the error -> error CS0104: `ExtensionAttribute' is an ambiguous reference between `Mono.Addins.ExtensionAttribute' and `System.Runtime.CompilerServices.ExtensionAttribute'
2014-07-28 18:11 <Plugh> The only reference to "Extension" in the file is -> [Extension(Path = "/OpenSim/RegionModules", NodeName = "RegionModule", Id = "MyModuleName")]
2014-07-28 18:12 <Plugh> which is located just before the "public class MyModuleName" declaration.
2014-07-28 18:12 <lkalif> no ExtensionAttribute?
2014-07-28 18:12 <Plugh> How do I resolve the issue?
2014-07-28 18:12 <Plugh> not in the .cs file.
2014-07-28 18:13 <Plugh> I have also check the prebuild files.
2014-07-28 18:14 <Plugh> s/check/checked/
2014-07-28 18:14 <lkalif> what's on the line where error is reported?
2014-07-28 18:16 <Plugh> [Extension(Path = "/OpenSim/RegionModules", NodeName = "RegionModule", Id = "MyModuleName")]
2014-07-28 18:17 <Plugh> I have a "using" statement for Mono.Addins followed a few lines later by one for System.Runtime.CompilerServices.
2014-07-28 18:17 <Plugh> Does the order matter?
2014-07-28 18:19 <lkalif> comment out using System.Runtime.CompilerServices for now, and see what happens
2014-07-28 18:21 <Plugh> The type or namespace name `MethodImpl' could not be found. Are you missing an assembly reference?
2014-07-28 18:21 <lkalif> how many errors? if it's not too many you can trey adding System.Runtime.CompilerServices. in front
2014-07-28 18:21 <lkalif> like System.Runtime.CompilerServices.MethodImpl
2014-07-28 18:21 <Plugh> Just one error.
2014-07-28 18:22 <Plugh> um... two for the MethodImpl thing.
2014-07-28 18:22 <lkalif> MethodImpl -> System.Runtime.CompilerServices.MethodImpl
2014-07-28 18:23 <lkalif> or  [Extension(Path = to  [Mono.Addins.Extension(Path =
2014-07-28 18:28 <Plugh> Adding the System.Runtime.CompilerServices. to the two lines fixed it. I think the lines where that is used is some old/out-of-date code. It is adding two event handlers. Perhaps it should be using a lock statement instead of MethodImpl(MethodImplOptions.Synchronized)
2014-07-28 18:29 <lkalif> at least it compiles now ;)
2014-07-28 18:29 <Plugh> yup.
2014-07-28 21:17 <LiruCookies> Destination Guide is Showcase, it is not the same on Opensim yet, but we could easily make it so.
2014-07-28 21:19 <LiruCookies> lkalif: I can easily produce public code...
2014-07-28 21:25 <lkalif> LiruCookies: I know you can, you just chose not to
2014-07-28 21:29 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Yep, I am up to 6050, y'know without a billion merge xommits
2014-07-28 21:30 <lkalif> what do merge commits have to do with anything?
2014-07-28 21:30 <LiruCookies> Just that they change the number
2014-07-28 21:31 <LiruCookies> Group Bans are nice, by the way.. shame I can't share.
2014-07-28 21:31 <lkalif> you can
2014-07-28 21:32 <lkalif> but you prefer being a dick instead
2014-07-28 21:32 <LiruCookies> You would have it make Replex look active while Singularity looks dead
2014-07-28 21:33 <LiruCookies> Better we both look dead 
2014-07-28 21:33 <lkalif> I would rather have people test and use the code. I don't care about label.
2014-07-28 21:33 <lkalif> I could not use "Singularity" name, beceause that is Siana's
2014-07-28 21:34 <lkalif> But you keep waiting for her to do something useful, that will work out great for you
2014-07-28 22:20 <dahlia> grrrr no popcorn in the cabinet :(
2014-07-28 22:21 <dahlia> oooou pork rinds :D
2014-07-28 22:21 <dahlia> *nom nom nom
2014-07-28 22:32 <Plugh> hm... I can't run Kokua since switching to Linux Mint 17. Complains it can't find a library file which I have since installed but it is available.
2014-07-28 22:32 <Plugh> but it is still not running. :P
2014-07-28 22:35 <nebadon> what is the library?
2014-07-28 22:36 <Plugh> libalut.so.0
2014-07-28 22:36 <dahlia> version mismatch?
2014-07-28 22:37 <Plugh> Don't know.
2014-07-28 22:37 <Plugh> It just says "cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
2014-07-28 22:37 <dahlia> Ive heard you should link against .so and not .so.whatever but my memory is sketchy on it
2014-07-28 22:37 <dahlia> to prevent version issues
2014-07-28 22:37 <Plugh> I didn't build it. I just downloaded the binary.
2014-07-28 22:38 <nebadon> maybe needs the -dev? or 32 bit library?
2014-07-28 22:38 <dahlia> ask NickyP
2014-07-28 22:39 <Plugh> I've also ran ldconfig in case that wasn't run when the library was installed.
2014-07-28 22:40 <NickyP> 32 bit?
2014-07-28 22:40 <Plugh> nebadon: I suppose that is possible but it shouldn't need -dev to run a program.
2014-07-28 22:40 <Plugh> I'm on 32-bit.
2014-07-28 22:40 <NickyP> kokua version?
2014-07-28 22:40 <Plugh> I'm thinking of trying a 64-bit Linux soon because Lightworks has finally been released for Linux.
2014-07-28 22:40 <Plugh> 3.7.9 and 3.7.12 had same issue.
2014-07-28 22:42 <Plugh> I haven't completed re-installing a lot of the packages I used to have on this machine in case that might be the issue but I don't see any other library used by libalut that is missing.
2014-07-28 22:43 <NickyP> ill check on a ubuntu 32 bit and get back to you.
2014-07-28 22:43 <Plugh> ok, ty.
2014-07-28 22:43 <Plugh> Not a major issue. I've got 4 other viewers available on this machine. :)
2014-07-28 22:43 <Plugh> Not counting the one for SL.
2014-07-28 22:50 <Plugh> bbl. dinner time.
2014-07-28 23:00 <NickyP> Plugh: 3.7.12 ran ok inside a ubuntu 32 Linux vm. Are you running a 32 bit viewer on a 64 bit OS?
2014-07-28 23:00 <lkalif> his os is 32 bit
2014-07-28 23:20 <Plugh> NickyP: Kokua_3_7_12_34831_i686.tar.bz2 extracted and run on 32-bit Linux Mint 16 MATE
2014-07-28 23:44 <osmantis> Bug #7220:04 Hypergrid jump from OSGrid to Kitely Welcome Center confuses viewer / server about worn attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7220 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-28 23:56 <zadark> Tech info .. Nvidia JETSON TK1 Development kit CD575M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-Y01x5k17c
2014-07-28 23:58 <zadark> woops wrong channel, sorry
2014-07-29 00:07 <dahlia> zadark: how dare you post that when Im struggling to get an ATI card to work in my linux box :P
2014-07-29 00:08 <dahlia> 
ACTION throws pork rinds at zadark

2014-07-29 00:08 <BlueWall> :D
2014-07-29 00:10 <zadark> Ouch
2014-07-29 00:10 <smxy> So, BlueWall, what do you think is the right/best method of getting the DG URL sent to the viewer on HG to another grid/standalone, and how do we get that done?
2014-07-29 00:11 <BlueWall> I'm working on a grid level service to feed it out to regions
2014-07-29 00:11 <smxy> and then up via the extras?
2014-07-29 00:11 <BlueWall> yes
2014-07-29 00:12 <smxy> :)
2014-07-29 00:12 <BlueWall> It will mesh with the region module.
2014-07-29 00:13 <smxy> Since all it has to do is pass a single URL, this should be easy, shouldn't it?
2014-07-29 00:14 <BlueWall> yes, pretty much.
2014-07-29 00:14 <BlueWall> but with this, you'll be able to set any feature at the grid level as a default.
2014-07-29 00:15 <zadark> What if? the region owner wanted to display their own DG/Showcase?
2014-07-29 00:15 <BlueWall> they can override the defaults
2014-07-29 00:15 <smxy> I think, by design, it's meant to be a grid-wide thing.
2014-07-29 00:16 <zadark> Bluewall++
2014-07-29 00:16 <smxy> Otherwise I might HG to some region and only know what's in that region, not what's to see in the whole grid, which is kinda the point of it.
2014-07-29 00:16 <BlueWall> well, in a place like OSGrid, a user may have a colony of regions
2014-07-29 00:16 <BlueWall> and they may wish to showcase the things they offer
2014-07-29 00:17 <smxy> They would still prevent the visitor from seeing the grid's guide.
2014-07-29 00:17 <BlueWall> yes it would
2014-07-29 00:17 <smxy> Then you are giving a region owner the ability to usurp the grid owner's guide.
2014-07-29 00:17 <BlueWall> it would be possible to make an override at the grid level.
2014-07-29 00:18 <BlueWall> I would like to have a discussion about that before coding it.
2014-07-29 00:18 <BlueWall> I lean toward giving the grid owner control of it.
2014-07-29 00:18 <smxy> It is currently a grid-level-only service. I think it should stay that way.
2014-07-29 00:18 <BlueWall> but, if users can connect their own regions, they can slip in a litte code to override it anyway.
2014-07-29 00:19 <BlueWall> right now it's not an extra features item though
2014-07-29 00:20 <BlueWall> but, it makes sense to at least have some grid level control of the features, as many people probably do not even know about setting them for their HG visitors.
2014-07-29 00:21 <BlueWall> So, being able to push out defaults to the region is a good thing ...
2014-07-29 00:21 <BlueWall> having the ability to lock out changes is up for debate.
2014-07-29 00:21 <smxy> In this case, I only suggested having the simulator send it up to the viewer because the mechanism was there, not because I wanted the region to control the value of what was passed. Is there a better way to send it?
2014-07-29 00:22 <BlueWall> because, as said earlier, on a grid like OSGrid someone my have many regions and they might like to showcase what they have.
2014-07-29 00:22 <smxy> But why should they have the ability to prevent a visitor from seeing the grid's guide though?
2014-07-29 00:22 <BlueWall> the region must send it
2014-07-29 00:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #3727 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2014-07-29 00:24 <BlueWall> maybe we place a test at the region level to see if the grid will allow it.
2014-07-29 00:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3727: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3727/
2014-07-29 00:27 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Allow the "debug scene set physics false|true" command to work when bulletsim physics is running in a separate thread.
2014-07-29 00:27 <smxy> Now, a compromise would be if a region set it, that it somehow had a link in their guide that would take you to the grid's page ... that could be a policy thing for a grid: you can have your own be primary, but only if it also links to the grid's. Or something like that. An idea.
2014-07-29 00:27 <LiruCookies> smxy: Is this still about the destination guide?
2014-07-29 00:27 <smxy> Yes.
2014-07-29 00:28 <LiruCookies> smxy: Why not just use OpenSimExtras?
2014-07-29 00:28 <BlueWall> it is
2014-07-29 00:28 <smxy> That's the plan. We're discussing whether the region should be able to grab it for itself, overring the grid's URL or not.
2014-07-29 00:28 <BlueWall> << will
2014-07-29 00:28 <LiruCookies> It is? Then it's already set by the region.
2014-07-29 00:28 <BlueWall> nope, not yet
2014-07-29 00:29 <smxy> I think the region shouldn't be able to override the grid's URL. Others have a differing opinion.
2014-07-29 00:29 <LiruCookies> Well, when you're ready with the name of the field, tell me and I'll write the code and such.
2014-07-29 00:29 <smxy> Both valid.
2014-07-29 00:29 <BlueWall> grid_destination_guide ??
2014-07-29 00:30 <smxy> well, if you did it like the other extras, it'd be destination-guide-url wouldn't it?
2014-07-29 00:30 <smxy> See: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/SimulatorFeatures_Extras
2014-07-29 00:31 <LiruCookies> ExportSupported but whisper-rage
2014-07-29 00:31 <LiruCookies> ExportSupported but whisper-range*
2014-07-29 00:31 <smxy> there is already map-server-url and search-serverl-url
2014-07-29 00:31 <smxy> so my suggestion matches those.
2014-07-29 00:31 <LiruCookies> There's a search-server-url?
2014-07-29 00:32 <LiruCookies> Oh, there is
2014-07-29 00:32 <smxy> Look at the page I just linked.
2014-07-29 00:32 <LiruCookies> I'm looking at implementation in viewer
2014-07-29 00:32 <LiruCookies> Huh
2014-07-29 00:32 <BlueWall> yeah, we send search-server-url
2014-07-29 00:32 <LiruCookies> Implemented but not used..
2014-07-29 00:32 <LiruCookies> When was this added..
2014-07-29 00:33 <LiruCookies> lkalif: You added something but never had it implemented...
2014-07-29 00:35 <BlueWall> "destination-guide-url" seems ok
2014-07-29 00:36 <smxy> I only suggested that to be consistent with what we already have. :)
2014-07-29 00:36 <LiruCookies> Ugh
2014-07-29 00:36 <LiruCookies> I have to redesign this whole thing to get these to work right.
2014-07-29 00:37 <smxy> I think lkalif's idea for getting to the guide was great though: World -> Destination Guide
2014-07-29 00:37 <smxy> Nice, simple and straightforward.
2014-07-29 00:37 <LiruCookies> It's already in search
2014-07-29 00:37 <LiruCookies> We don't need it, it's the showcase.
2014-07-29 00:38 <smxy> It isn't even able to be gotten to in OpenSim in Singularity/Replex right now, I don't believe. Only in SL.
2014-07-29 00:39 <smxy> Firestorm has a button for it, that works in both.
2014-07-29 00:39 <smxy> But a menu item makes it easy for everyone to find quickly.
2014-07-29 00:39 <LiruCookies> SL's destination guide is Singu's Showcase tab in search
2014-07-29 00:39 <BlueWall> Singularity Viewer 1.8.5 (5617) Jan 28 2014 11:14:09 (Singularity)
2014-07-29 00:39 <smxy> *what* Showcase tab?
2014-07-29 00:40 <BlueWall> Is it in that version??
2014-07-29 00:40 <smxy> Mine has none.
2014-07-29 00:40 <BlueWall> I think that is the last available version
2014-07-29 00:40 <LiruCookies> It exists on SecondLife
2014-07-29 00:40 <BlueWall> Neither does mine
2014-07-29 00:40 <BlueWall> ohh
2014-07-29 00:40 <LiruCookies> It probably doesn't exist on opensim
2014-07-29 00:40 <smxy> I'm in 5846 from May
2014-07-29 00:40 <BlueWall> ok, If we send you that extra, can it be turned on in Opensim?
2014-07-29 00:41 <BlueWall> destination-guide-url
2014-07-29 00:41 <LiruCookies> Yes, I can easily hook this up
2014-07-29 00:41 <BlueWall> does that tag work for you?
2014-07-29 00:41 <LiruCookies> Yeah, sure!
2014-07-29 00:41 <BlueWall> ok, that is what I'll make it.
2014-07-29 00:41 <BlueWall> Thanks
2014-07-29 00:41 <LiruCookies> In the OpenSimExtras, right?
2014-07-29 00:41 <BlueWall> yes
2014-07-29 00:42 <LiruCookies> A string?
2014-07-29 00:42 <BlueWall> just like the others
2014-07-29 00:42 <LiruCookies> Kay
2014-07-29 00:42 <BlueWall> search, map
2014-07-29 00:42 <smxy> Now we can go back to dickering over who controls the value. :)
2014-07-29 00:43 <BlueWall> I can just place a control at the grid level and have the region module obey the setting.
2014-07-29 00:43 <BlueWall> then each grid can do as they see fit.
2014-07-29 00:43 <smxy> That would work. Then if the grid wants to let them control it they can.
2014-07-29 00:45 <smxy> I could see a grid giving region owners a template page that would let them put their stuff at the head of the list, then the grid's, for example.
2014-07-29 00:45 <BlueWall> it is a one shot thing.
2014-07-29 00:45 <BlueWall> but can be made dynamic with AJAX in the web app
2014-07-29 00:45 <smxy> yes
2014-07-29 00:46 <smxy> There's a lot you could do with it.
2014-07-29 01:13 <lkalif> smxy: I said  I will implement this
2014-07-29 01:14 <lkalif> LiruCookies is too busy hiding his work to bother
2014-07-29 01:14 <LiruCookies> ...
2014-07-29 01:14 <LiruCookies> I can publish things..
2014-07-29 01:15 <lkalif> Sure, Siana can make stuff work, and pigs can fly
2014-07-29 01:16 <smxy> Um, he asked what we were doing. We told. You can both do what you each wish, yes?
2014-07-29 01:16 <LiruCookies> Yay divergent implementations!
2014-07-29 01:16 <LiruCookies> Either way, mine will hit FS.
2014-07-29 01:16 <lkalif> FS alread has destination guide and it works
2014-07-29 01:17 <LiruCookies> Yep, but it doesn't work for HG
2014-07-29 01:17 <LiruCookies> Which is the whole issue
2014-07-29 01:17 <lkalif> No, first issue is to have destination guide
2014-07-29 01:17 <LiruCookies> Which we do...
2014-07-29 01:17 <lkalif> no
2014-07-29 01:17 <LiruCookies> We have showcase which is the same thing
2014-07-29 01:17 <lkalif> no
2014-07-29 01:18 <LiruCookies> Yep
2014-07-29 01:18 <lkalif> OpenSim has a login response field for it
2014-07-29 01:18 <lkalif> it is not read at all
2014-07-29 01:18 <BlueWall> The big, big, really important thing is...
2014-07-29 01:18 <LiruCookies> Yep, because no one asked for it to be..
2014-07-29 01:18 <BlueWall> can you make it stream netflix in-world???
2014-07-29 01:18 <smxy> LOL
2014-07-29 01:18 <LiruCookies> That's DRM
2014-07-29 01:19 <LiruCookies> DRM plugins in opensource? Don't think so...
2014-07-29 01:19 <BlueWall> hack it and you can have milk with you cookies, lol
2014-07-29 01:20 <lkalif> lol LiruCookies talks about opensource
2014-07-29 01:20 <lkalif> that's funny
2014-07-29 01:20 <BlueWall> I'm binging on episodes of "Lost" (Thanks to nebadon for the suggestion a while back)
2014-07-29 01:21 <LiruCookies> lkalif: I also have to implement search-server-url which you never did..
2014-07-29 01:21 <lkalif> LiruCookies: implement it for what? 
2014-07-29 01:21 <lkalif> Firestorm?
2014-07-29 01:21 <LiruCookies> For Singularity
2014-07-29 01:21 <lkalif> hahaha
2014-07-29 01:21 <LiruCookies> You put it in the sim feature handler and never hooked it up
2014-07-29 01:22 <lkalif> Well have fun implementing stuff for a hidden repository
2014-07-29 01:22 <LiruCookies> I will
2014-07-29 01:23 <smxy> lkalif: I'm with neb on your World -> Destination Guide menu item. Great idea.
2014-07-29 01:23 <lkalif> yes
2014-07-29 01:23 <lkalif> none of this search showcase nonsense
2014-07-29 01:23 <LiruCookies> That's how it has been...
2014-07-29 01:24 <BlueWall> I like the way V3 does it, lol
2014-07-29 01:24 <lkalif> yeah
2014-07-29 01:24 <BlueWall> but, it will be great to have support in all viewers
2014-07-29 01:24 <smxy> Yes, the V3 way is very nice.
2014-07-29 01:24 <LiruCookies> If you want that too, that's easy to implement as well
2014-07-29 01:24 <BlueWall> 
ACTION is thankful for Singularity because he can't run Firestorm ATM

2014-07-29 01:25 <BlueWall> I like being able to drag the icons around, turn them on and off.
2014-07-29 01:25 <lkalif> LiruCookies: why are you all of a sudden interested in sharing code? I'm curious?
2014-07-29 01:26 <LiruCookies> I always have been...
2014-07-29 01:26 <BlueWall> before my workstation blew up, I had plenty of screen real estate to play with.
2014-07-29 01:26 <dahlia> v3 interface really isnt as bad as some would have us think
2014-07-29 01:26 <dahlia> its come a long way since v2
2014-07-29 01:26 <lkalif> LiruCookies: nah, you saw a blog articxle and lost your marbles
2014-07-29 01:27 <LiruCookies> This login response stuff should sorta be deprecated in favor of open sim extras by the way...
2014-07-29 01:27 <lkalif> Login response is a correxct place for enforcing grid-wide setting
2014-07-29 01:27 <lkalif> ans not per-region settting
2014-07-29 01:27 <LiruCookies> For HG, though.
2014-07-29 01:28 <zadark> dahlia++
2014-07-29 01:28 <BlueWall> ++
2014-07-29 01:29 <lkalif> you people shouls nor listen to dahlia when it comes to the UI :P
2014-07-29 01:29 <lkalif> she also thinks blender 2.49 is great
2014-07-29 01:30 <BlueWall> dahlia walks on water ~~~~~~~~~
2014-07-29 01:30 <smxy> lkalif: the login response is right for when you log into the grid. But when you HG in, you don't go through that, right? So it needs to be passed up to the viewer through the extras from the simulator, right?
2014-07-29 01:30 <lkalif> smxy: yes
2014-07-29 01:30 <smxy> okay. That's what BlueWall is working on.
2014-07-29 01:31 <LiruCookies> You always get the extras, you only get login response once...
2014-07-29 01:31 <lkalif> the same way it's done for search, yeah
2014-07-29 01:31 <smxy> right
2014-07-29 01:31 <lkalif> and map
2014-07-29 01:32 <LiruCookies> It's not done for search, show me where it's done for search... that code is never called...
2014-07-29 01:32 <BlueWall> search-server-url
2014-07-29 01:32 <smxy> lkalif: you saw that he's going to call it destination-guide-url ?
2014-07-29 01:32 <lkalif> LiruCookies: if you want to contribute to FS, add map support
2014-07-29 01:33 <LiruCookies> BlueWall: Not you, Latif, it's not there in the actual code...
2014-07-29 01:33 <lkalif> smxy: it's fine as long as it's documented
2014-07-29 01:34 <smxy> When he implements it, I'll add it to this page if no one else does: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/SimulatorFeatures_Extras
2014-07-29 01:34 <lkalif> cool
2014-07-29 01:46 <justincc> hey nebadon, you around?
2014-07-29 02:05 <Plugh> Hey, justin.
2014-07-29 02:06 <justincc> hi Plugh
2014-07-29 02:06 <Plugh> I looked at the report you did for one of the load tests. I think it wasn't the most recent but the one before where you commented on 50 bots going offline at the same time.
2014-07-29 02:07 <Plugh> I noticed the spike in the one (top?) graph appeared to coincide with the same time as the loss of the 50 bots.
2014-07-29 02:08 <Plugh> I put my cursor on that one spike and scrolled the page and the drop in the online avatars matched.
2014-07-29 02:08 <justincc> yes, I initially thought that might be an issue too, but in the next test the problems appear to be unconnected
2014-07-29 02:08 <justincc> the trouble is, when something goes wrong a bunch of stats go haywire at once
2014-07-29 02:08 <justincc> many are the symptoms rather than the immediate cause
2014-07-29 02:08 <Plugh> ok. Just wanted to point out that I did see the two things line up on the graph.
2014-07-29 02:09 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-07-29 02:09 <Plugh> yeah, hard to tell what happened first in situations like that.
2014-07-29 02:09 <justincc> my personal belief at the moment is that we were overwhelmed by traffic and then entered a downward spiral with resends, etc.
2014-07-29 02:10 <justincc> although there's some chance it's an issue with position updates to neighbouring regions for child agents, though I trhink somewhat unlikely
2014-07-29 02:11 <Plugh> Would a tool like wireshark help any to record the network activity so it can be analyzed in more detail after an event?
2014-07-29 02:12 <justincc> not really
2014-07-29 02:12 <Plugh> ok. I was trying to think of other ways to know what was going on at the time.
2014-07-29 02:13 <Plugh> Thought it would help to see if it was network traffic. 250+ avatars would generate a lot of traffic so it might be too much data to comfortably sift through.
2014-07-29 02:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #3728 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-29 02:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3728: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3728/
2014-07-29 02:18 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Make it possible to change avatar position update, rotation and velocity tolerances on the fly.
2014-07-29 02:20 <justincc> I will say that atm, we appear to send out updates on rotation only far too frequently
2014-07-29 02:20 <justincc> as you can only see other avatars in certain rotations
2014-07-29 02:21 <justincc> tomorrow, I'm going to test a much higher number to cut down updates and see if anybody notices a difference
2014-07-29 02:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #3729 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-29 02:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3729: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3729/
2014-07-29 02:32 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add "debug scene set appear-refresh true|false" to control whether periodic appearance refresh is active.
2014-07-29 03:10 <nebadon> doh missed him
2014-07-29 04:11 <dahlia> well the good news is I finally got my new ATI card working on debian wheezy. Bad news is I dont see shadows when I enable them :(
2014-07-29 04:29 -!- Aramis^(~someone@c-71-57-139-42.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has left #opensim-dev
2014-07-29 06:15 <osmantis> Bug #7220:04 Hypergrid jump from OSGrid to Kitely Welcome Center confuses viewer / server about worn attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7220 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-07-29 06:15 <osmantis> Bug #7220:04 Hypergrid jump from OSGrid to Kitely Welcome Center confuses viewer / server about worn attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7220 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-29 17:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #3730 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-29 17:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3730: SUCCESS in 8 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3730/
2014-07-29 17:22 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add debug mechanism for only sending 1 in N AgentUpdate packets to child agents.
2014-07-29 17:39 <justincc> nebadon: alright, pls go ahead and update
2014-07-29 17:39 <justincc> nebadon: pls tell me when you are done since there are a number of adjustments I have to make via the comand line for this test
2014-07-29 17:44 <nebadon> ok robust is ready justincc
2014-07-29 17:44 <nebadon> doing simulators now
2014-07-29 17:44 <justincc> thnks
2014-07-29 17:46 <nebadon> hmm wait a sec
2014-07-29 17:47 <nebadon> ok ya nevermind thought i forgot something, but i didnt
2014-07-29 17:50 <justincc> ahhh feck
2014-07-29 17:51 <nebadon> whut?
2014-07-29 17:51 <justincc> I've just discovered a mistake
2014-07-29 17:51 <nebadon> show stopper mistake?
2014-07-29 17:52 <justincc> no, it just means I can't employ these update reduction experiments unless we can update again
2014-07-29 17:52 <nebadon> ok if we can do it fast we can
2014-07-29 17:52 <justincc> ok, 2 mins
2014-07-29 17:52 <nebadon> k
2014-07-29 17:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #3731 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-29 17:55 <justincc> alright, that's it
2014-07-29 17:55 <nebadon> k
2014-07-29 17:56 <justincc> sorry about that, but it will be really good to see what difference certain changes make today
2014-07-29 17:56 <Plugh> I have to go out this afternoon so I won't be around for todays meeting.
2014-07-29 17:56 <nebadon> ok Plugh
2014-07-29 17:56 <nebadon> i need to cut out exactly at the 1 hour mark of load test
2014-07-29 17:56 <nebadon> Christer from Sweden is coming to my house then
2014-07-29 17:57 <justincc> ok
2014-07-29 17:57 <justincc> that's quite a way to come!
2014-07-29 17:57 <justincc> again, let me know when the updates has been completed so I can set a bunch of console stuff
2014-07-29 17:57 <justincc> thx
2014-07-29 17:57 <nebadon> kk
2014-07-29 17:58 <justincc> gotta pee brb
2014-07-29 17:59 <nebadon> ok robust done
2014-07-29 17:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3731: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3731/
2014-07-29 17:59 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Implement "scene debug set root-upd-per" for dropping 1 in N root agent updates except to originator
2014-07-29 18:02 <nebadon> ok Keynotes are going now
2014-07-29 18:02 <nebadon> Staff Zone 1 and VarRegion1 are still starting up
2014-07-29 18:03 <justincc> you see that neighbour faiulre on kn1?
2014-07-29 18:03 <nebadon> yea
2014-07-29 18:03 <nebadon> KN4 was restarting as it started
2014-07-29 18:03 <nebadon> should be fine
2014-07-29 18:03 <justincc> ok
2014-07-29 18:03 <justincc> not worth restarting kn1 just in case?
2014-07-29 18:03 <justincc> I can't remember if this kidn of thing is an issue or not - I would have thought it might be
2014-07-29 18:04 <justincc> hm ok
2014-07-29 18:04 <nebadon> no kn4 would handshake when it started
2014-07-29 18:04 <justincc> I guess they tell each other so as long as msg gets through in one direction,. perhaps, it's fine
2014-07-29 18:04 <justincc> ok
2014-07-29 18:04 <nebadon> might be bad if they both got that simultanously
2014-07-29 18:04 <nebadon> but that should be impossible
2014-07-29 18:04 <nebadon> very small chance anyway
2014-07-29 18:53 <osmantis> Bug #7284:04 Exception in BulletSim on startup of simulator with two regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7284 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-29 19:05 <justincc> crashed viewer, relogging
2014-07-29 19:29 <justincc> alirhgt, my viewer crashed again with out of mem
2014-07-29 20:03 <justincc> viwer crashed again. Disconnecting bots now
2014-07-29 20:39 <osmantis> Bug #5455:04 [User Service] Feature to Allow or Deny Client Versions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5455 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:39 <osmantis> Bug #5457:04 Objects rezzed with llRez and a non zero velocity have a wrong zero velocity 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5457 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:39 <osmantis> Bug #5448:04 MSSQL tables are not created because if no tables exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5448 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:39 <osmantis> Bug #5444:04 CHANGED_INVENTORY triggers twice in changed() if edit a notecard in the object where the script is into. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5444 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:39 <osmantis> Bug #2011:04 Unlink from >=97 linked prims end with freeze from avatar and opensim. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=2011 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:39 <osmantis> Bug #2870:04 META - Linking issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=2870 ): The RELATED issue 0002011 has been CLOSED.
2014-07-29 20:39 <osmantis> Bug #5459:04 Constant OSD timeout 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5459 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:40 <osmantis> Bug #5461:04 Return items via Parcel doesnt work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5461 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:40 <osmantis> Bug #5470:04 file - GridUserStore.migrations Does not exist for MSSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5470 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:40 <osmantis> Bug #5015:04 llSitTarget offset is about 0.05m off since r/12794 and later 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5015 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:40 <osmantis> Bug #5474:04 diva-r15402-b.. Unable to convert MySQL date/time value to System.DateTime crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5474 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:40 <osmantis> Bug #5425:04 "alert general" Message starts with general inworld 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5425 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:40 <osmantis> Bug #4837:04 llRequestAgentData(llGetOwner(), DATA_NAME) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4837 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:40 <osmantis> Bug #3091:04 only Particles visable, prims gone 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3091 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:40 <osmantis> Bug #5364:04 Async Deleter get exceptions deleting scripted linksets 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5364 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:40 <osmantis> Bug #4429:04 llGiveInventory fails if receiver is not known by script region or if user is not logged in 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4429 ): has been CLOSED
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2014-07-29 20:41 <osmantis> Bug #5846:04 [SCENEGRAPH] error on HG TP 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5846 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:41 <osmantis> Bug #5502:04 LSL Function llGetObjectDetails is Missing 3 Constants 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5502 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:41 <osmantis> Bug #5965:04 llGetObjectMass fails on a seated avatar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5965 ): has been CLOSED
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2014-07-29 20:41 <osmantis> Bug #5966:04 Prim doesn't stay stopped after llStopMoveToTarget call 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5966 ): has been CLOSED
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2014-07-29 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #6262:04 Type.Type is RuntimeType; static script invocations get wrong name in debug message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6262 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #6173:04 BulletSim: fails with an exception on Linux 64 bit 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6173 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #6275:04 change text file formatting to markdown 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6275 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #6268:04 functions added via region modules cannot accept integers as shorthand for floats 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6268 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #6272:04 Maximum region height seems to use the same value throughout opensim, but no constant used. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6272 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #6274:04 refactor to allow Scene.GetLandData to accept Vector3 as an argument 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6274 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #6227:04 attempting to mimic SL-style error messages when processing prim param rules 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6227 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #4738:04 Robust.32BitLauncher.exe has bad build reference and ini file naming 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4738 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #1209:04 There are currently no constraints on link set size or prim count. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1209 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #2870:04 META - Linking issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=2870 ): The RELATED issue 0001209 has been CLOSED.
2014-07-29 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #6283:04 Typecasting errors caused in script invocations are not user-friendly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6283 ): has been CLOSED
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2014-07-29 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #6091:04 When uploading .raw file (terrain) getting a error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6091 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #7045:04 Cached bakes system throwing error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7045 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #7148:04 Scripts not Running after Teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7148 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #7172:04 ScenePresence IsDeleted is not updated when avatar leaves 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7172 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:44 <osmantis> Bug #7035:04 Land Settings change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 20:53 <nebadon> what the hell
2014-07-29 20:53 <nebadon> ch11cken!
2014-07-29 20:53 <nebadon> all out of the blue closes a ton of mantis lol
2014-07-29 20:54 <nebadon> I think he had some kind of bot or something
2014-07-29 20:54 <nebadon> havent seen that dude in years
2014-07-29 20:57 <nebadon> man, 67 emails just now
2014-07-29 20:57 <nebadon> from mantis to my email lol
2014-07-29 20:57 <nebadon> oh well just glad it wasnt some kind of attack, i had minor heart attack
2014-07-29 21:01 <justinccAfk> yeah, I was worried too but they all look like ones that were marked resolved
2014-07-29 21:01 <justinccAfk> I got a good 450....
2014-07-29 21:02 <nebadon> yea ch11ken has a bot that does the work
2014-07-29 21:02 <nebadon> i guess he got bored and hit the on button
2014-07-29 21:02 <nebadon> i havent seen him in literally like 4 years
2014-07-29 21:02 <justinccAfk> yeah, bizarre
2014-07-29 21:02 <justinccAfk> or turned on an old machine with a cronjob...
2014-07-29 21:02 <nebadon> ya thats possible heh
2014-07-29 21:03 <nebadon> either way, good job
2014-07-29 21:03 <nebadon> someone needed to do it
2014-07-29 21:03 <nebadon> i sure wasnt about to
2014-07-29 21:03 <justinccAfk> well, I don't think it really matters.  I leave them for the reporter to close but nobody really does or probably even knows to do that
2014-07-29 21:03 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-29 21:04 <justinccAfk> 
ACTION goes afk again

2014-07-29 21:25 <Dev_Random> so.... I should close a few?  Now I know....
2014-07-29 21:27 <Dev_Random> looks like I don't need to .... 15 emails in my inbox
2014-07-29 21:40 <nebadon> Dev_Random, and for anyone intersted this is the process
2014-07-29 21:40 <nebadon> someone opens a mantis ticket
2014-07-29 21:40 <nebadon> a developer will take ownership of that bug report and begin working on it
2014-07-29 21:40 <nebadon> once the developer feels the  problem is resolved in the core code, they set the mantis to resolved
2014-07-29 21:41 <nebadon> once its set to resolve the original person who filed it shoudl test said fixes and if they are happy they close the ticket
2014-07-29 21:41 <nebadon> if they are not they can request it be reopened and we take another look until things are resolved enough for the original person to close the ticket
2014-07-29 21:41 <nebadon> generally no one does this
2014-07-29 21:41 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-29 21:41 <nebadon> as evidinced by todays massive spew
2014-07-29 21:42 <nebadon> pretty sure he closed aprox 800 mantis tickets today
2014-07-29 21:45 <osmantis> [discarded 34 messages]
2014-07-29 21:45 <osmantis> Bug #7255:04 Script reported as active, after removing self from inventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7255 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-29 21:45 <frank__> I didn’t know I was supposed to close mine - I will close them in the future.
2014-07-29 21:47 <osmantis> Bug #7058:04 Change OpenSim [GridInfo] defaults to remove confusion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7058 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-29 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #6558:04 Configuration ini Security Suggestions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6558 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-29 21:50 <osmantis> Bug #6016:04 Sun/Moon Position Value Jumping 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6016 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-29 21:51 <osmantis> Bug #6538:04 [PATCH] Added Unix and MacOSX platform checkin for Util.isEnvironmentSupported 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6538 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-29 21:52 <osmantis> Bug #6544:04 [PATCH] Refactor m_console.Command to remove gendarme warning 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6544 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-29 21:54 <dahlia> arrrg my gmail overfloweth
2014-07-29 21:55 <lkalif> 
ACTION is in shock

2014-07-29 21:55 <lkalif> dahlia uses gmail!
2014-07-29 21:55 <dahlia> yes I use google stuff :P
2014-07-29 21:56 <dahlia> doesn't mean I trust them :P
2014-07-29 21:56 <AllenKerensky> google can be used with appropriate consideration of the ramifications of each google interaction
2014-07-29 21:56 <AllenKerensky> and some technical controls to limit their influence of your world heh
2014-07-29 21:58 <dahlia> lkalif is a google sycophant :P
2014-07-29 21:58 <lkalif> I have a different perspective on things.
2014-07-29 21:58 <dahlia> aka a BROWN NOSED KISS ASS :P
2014-07-29 21:59 <lkalif> I'm more worried about people with guns and drones with explosive warheads.
2014-07-29 21:59 <AllenKerensky> as long as its an informed choice - people are welcome to swallow the google pill or not - my wife loves their services and accepts the attached strings
2014-07-29 21:59 <dahlia> WIMPY WIMPY KISS ASS :P
2014-07-29 21:59 <lkalif> You worry about made-up irrelevant stuff.
2014-07-29 21:59 <dahlia> YOU ARE A WIMPY KISS ASS :P
2014-07-29 22:00 <dahlia> CRYBABY WIMP
2014-07-29 22:01 <lkalif> all caps. time to go
2014-07-29 22:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #3732 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-29 22:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3732: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3732/
2014-07-29 22:45 <osjenkins> jjustincc: In TerrainModule, lock m_perClientPatchUpdates when removing entries.
2014-07-29 23:45 <zadark> dahlia, possible upgrade? http://www.technologyreview.com/news/529201/lcd-hacking-trick-could-make-virtual-reality-more-real/
2014-07-29 23:50 <dahlia> zadark: lol that's probably a bit beyond my DIY budget
2014-07-29 23:52 <zadark> gossip, we think this is the guy responsible. https://www.linkedin.com/in/dlanman
2014-07-29 23:54 <dahlia> oh? article says "researchers at nvidia" did it
2014-07-29 23:54 <dahlia> nvidia has been playing in 3d vr for a while now, they've had a few products on the market
2014-07-29 23:55 <dahlia> like those glasses
2014-07-29 23:56 <zadark> I would imagine there will be a far amount of head hunting in the coming months.
2014-07-29 23:56 <dahlia> http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-geforce-3d-vision2-wireless-glasses-us.html
2014-07-29 23:57 <dahlia> probably already happened
2014-07-29 23:59 <zadark> hate it when they don't put dates on stuff, though I suspect the 3d-vision 2 is fairly recent.
2014-07-30 00:00 <dahlia> dunno. THe glasses came out a few years ago. I was considering buying a pair but my left eye was starting to fail then and I couldnt see the depth effect very well
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2014-07-30 03:03 <osmantis> Bug #7285:04 Linkset rebuild warning. If this happens more than one or two times, please report in Mantis 7191 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7285 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2014-07-30 08:54 <LuciusSir> hey
2014-07-30 08:54 <LuciusSir> you know that bug 00005593 that i fixed ?
2014-07-30 08:54 <LuciusSir> for mssql
2014-07-30 08:55 <LuciusSir> you should have left the column checks in there, for some reason if i reinstall opensim it refires those migration scripts
2014-07-30 08:55 <LuciusSir> causing the whole process to error out, or so i remember
2014-07-30 12:57 <osmantis> Bug #7283:04 Wiki should be updated to indicate that Get/Set primitive params is currently not fully implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7283 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-30 13:07 <osmantis> Bug #5297:04 llAvatarOnSitTarget() reporting NULL_KEY if left-click action set to touch but reports correct key when set to sit 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5297 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-30 13:16 <osmantis> Bug #6997:04 osMessageAttachments raises dataserver event only in the root prim of an attached linkset (intended?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6997 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-30 13:20 <osmantis> Bug #7004:04 Accessing texture from inventory or attempting to upload new one sometimes fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7004 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-07-30 13:23 <osmantis> Bug #7019:04 osSetPrimitiveParams can't change an NPC's attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7019 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-30 13:42 <osmantis> Bug #7062:04 utterly mystifying Syntax error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7062 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-30 13:47 <osmantis> Bug #6824:04 script method to get/set materials textures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6824 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-07-30 13:48 <osmantis> Bug #6824:04 script method to get/set materials textures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6824 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-30 14:07 <osmantis> Bug #7286:04 [HG SUITCASE INVENTORY SERVICE]: AddItem: folder ... is not within Suitcase tree 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7286 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-30 15:04 <osmantis> Bug #6457:04 ERROR - OpenSim.Server.Base.ServerUtils Error loading plugin from 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6457 ): has been CLOSED
2014-07-30 15:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #3733 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-30 15:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3733: SUCCESS in 8 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3733/
2014-07-30 15:29 <osjenkins> bluewall: Simulator Extra Features Service
2014-07-30 15:47 <fuubaarr> hi all. Just wondering about the state of varregions. looking to upgrade from 0.7.5 to 0.8 and possibly using a 1x1 768m varregion instead of 3x3 256m classic region set.
2014-07-30 16:34 <AliciaRaven2> fuubaarr, var regions work well now, u will have to use bullet physics tho
2014-07-30 16:42 <fuubaarr> yes - i had read that on the wiki. i was more concerned that there might still be tp issues or stuff wrt. script load of 9 regions now merged into one simulator.
2014-07-30 16:59 <smxy> test, test, tes :)
2014-07-30 16:59 <smxy> +t
2014-07-30 16:59 <AliciaRaven2> there is a problem with merging oars into variable regions, using parcel merge option in load oar throws errors but devs dont seem to class that as a bug
2014-07-30 17:01 <AliciaRaven2> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7202 that is a major pain when converting
2014-07-30 17:30 <nebadon> merging parcels is tough
2014-07-30 17:31 <nebadon> parcel data is stored as a bitmap I think
2014-07-30 17:32 <nebadon> pretty sure that the merge option will only work with oars going into a region that is the same size as the original oar
2014-07-30 17:32 <nebadon> its only not a bug because as it stands now its operating as it was designed to operate
2014-07-30 17:33 <nebadon> if anything its a feature request, that will no doubt be very difficult to fulfill
2014-07-30 17:33 <nebadon> to be honest im not sure it can be accomplished
2014-07-30 17:33 <AliciaRaven2> why cant the 256 block just have that bmp for parcel overwritten if the merge uses the force-parcels flag?
2014-07-30 17:34 <nebadon> i am not even sure how you could merge say a 256m bitmap into say a 1024m bitmap
2014-07-30 17:34 <nebadon> you could run into soooo many issues
2014-07-30 17:35 <nebadon> like what happens if you merge in that bitmap and it cuts an existing parcel in 1/2
2014-07-30 17:35 <nebadon> parcels have to be fully enclosed boxes at minimal
2014-07-30 17:35 <nebadon> you can not have an open side on a parcel
2014-07-30 17:35 <nebadon> merging bitmaps could easily create major issues
2014-07-30 17:36 <nebadon> cause remember
2014-07-30 17:36 <AliciaRaven2> yea i guess, but at the very leased if the region only has the single whole region parcel, then that could be ignored
2014-07-30 17:36 <nebadon> not all merges are multiples of 256m
2014-07-30 17:36 <nebadon> you could offset your oar load by 10.2m
2014-07-30 17:36 <nebadon> then what
2014-07-30 17:36 <nebadon> parcel lines can not be offset like that
2014-07-30 17:37 <nebadon> would also cause problems for the viewer 
2014-07-30 17:37 <nebadon> you cant just lay down parcel lines anywhere
2014-07-30 17:37 <nebadon> in my head it seems like an impossible task
2014-07-30 17:37 <newbie|3> hey nebadon
2014-07-30 17:37 <nebadon> hello
2014-07-30 17:37 <luciusir> the one patch i added
2014-07-30 17:38 <luciusir> for mssql
2014-07-30 17:38 <luciusir> i wanted to make a comment
2014-07-30 17:38 <luciusir> it seems that if you delete your opensim dir
2014-07-30 17:38 <luciusir> and reconnect a new build to your mssql server
2014-07-30 17:38 <luciusir> it will try to rerun the migrations
2014-07-30 17:38 <luciusir> thats why i included the column checks
2014-07-30 17:38 <luciusir> for the migration script
2014-07-30 17:38 <nebadon> using same database?
2014-07-30 17:38 <luciusir> that and its kind of standard
2014-07-30 17:38 <luciusir> yes
2014-07-30 17:39 <luciusir> something happened where it was erroring out and i'm pretty sure thats what it was
2014-07-30 17:39 <nebadon> hmm that would be very odd
2014-07-30 17:39 <luciusir> is worth looking into
2014-07-30 17:39 <luciusir> either that or something succeeded and something else failed
2014-07-30 17:39 <nebadon> i dont have mssql
2014-07-30 17:39 <luciusir> mssql express :)
2014-07-30 17:39 <nebadon> not would i even know at this point how to setup mssql
2014-07-30 17:39 <luciusir> msqql express :p
2014-07-30 17:40 <nebadon> i usually only run opensim on linux
2014-07-30 17:40 <luciusir> mssql is so wonderful :)
2014-07-30 17:40 <luciusir> and nowadays its eems
2014-07-30 17:40 <luciusir> like linux has become less ecure
2014-07-30 17:40 <nebadon> uhh
2014-07-30 17:40 <nebadon> ok
2014-07-30 17:41 <luciusir> seriously dude, unless you batton down said hatches there are ways of exploiting linux and x11
2014-07-30 17:41 <nebadon> 
ACTION suspects lucisir might be a microsoft stock holder

2014-07-30 17:41 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-30 17:41 <luciusir> nooooo actually i hate that i get charged to use m$ lol
2014-07-30 17:41 <luciusir> just saying, t-sql is a better version of sql than mysql's syntax
2014-07-30 17:41 <luciusir> it has a lot of nice added shtuff :)
2014-07-30 17:42 <luciusir> and yet
2014-07-30 17:42 <luciusir> it still fails
2014-07-30 17:42 <BlueWall_AFK> PgSQL
2014-07-30 17:42 <BlueWall_AFK> :)
2014-07-30 17:42 <luciusir> in some arenas
2014-07-30 17:42 <luciusir> never used posgres
2014-07-30 17:42 <nebadon> i dunnno ive had way more microsoft servers get hacked and completely destroyed
2014-07-30 17:42 <AliciaRaven2> batton down said hatches? windows is far worse lol
2014-07-30 17:42 <luciusir> oh yeah the servers :P
2014-07-30 17:42 <nebadon> never once have I ever had linux get same thing
2014-07-30 17:42 <lkalif> I have
2014-07-30 17:42 <nebadon> that is honestly why i stopped
2014-07-30 17:42 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-30 17:42 <luciusir> yeah me too
2014-07-30 17:43 <nebadon> that is true, lkalif did which is crazy surprising
2014-07-30 17:43 <luciusir> my linux boxes have been hacked already
2014-07-30 17:43 <luciusir> its the bloatware.. what would be the word...
2014-07-30 17:43 <luciusir> not paradigm...
2014-07-30 17:44 <nebadon> i have to respectfully disagree
2014-07-30 17:44 <luciusir> it means a pattern of bad events that and failures that seem to emanate from the same probably
2014-07-30 17:44 <luciusir> problem
2014-07-30 17:44 <nebadon> any system can be comprimised 
2014-07-30 17:44 <luciusir> but windows is easier i know lol
2014-07-30 17:44 <nebadon> windows iss far more insecure
2014-07-30 17:44 <nebadon> its probably the most insecure software ever written
2014-07-30 17:44 <luciusir> especially since you have people doing shit like releasing versions of adobe acrobat which have ports open on them
2014-07-30 17:44 <luciusir> lol
2014-07-30 17:44 <nebadon> closed source can never be secure
2014-07-30 17:44 <luciusir> my ex boss
2014-07-30 17:45 <luciusir> would have said 'welll open source you never know what people sneak into them'
2014-07-30 17:45 <nebadon> not that opensource gaurantees security
2014-07-30 17:45 <nebadon> but closed source can not be audited
2014-07-30 17:45 <nebadon> not easily anyway
2014-07-30 17:45 <luciusir> true
2014-07-30 17:45 <luciusir> i always wanted a way of auditing a vm
2014-07-30 17:45 <nebadon> enterprise linux destroys windows
2014-07-30 17:45 <BlueWall_AFK> closed guarantees that you have no opportunity to ever know what is inside
2014-07-30 17:45 <nebadon> you should try opensuse
2014-07-30 17:45 <nebadon> dont use Ubuntu
2014-07-30 17:46 <luciusir> yeah i used to use opensuse
2014-07-30 17:46 <luciusir> as  a server
2014-07-30 17:46 <nebadon> Ubuntu sorry to say is not good, but that is my opinion
2014-07-30 17:46 <luciusir> i've heard the same thing elsewhere
2014-07-30 17:46 <luciusir> its just....
2014-07-30 17:46 <BlueWall> also, closed means that you have to wait until the publisher makes fixes 
2014-07-30 17:46 <nebadon> heck with microsoft they are intentionally programming in back doors
2014-07-30 17:46 <nebadon> its not even accidental
2014-07-30 17:46 <luciusir> BlueWall:  do many people, programmers or otherwise, devote the time to fix their own software ?
2014-07-30 17:47 <luciusir> BlueWall:  I mean, in like opensim when i run it or libomv i do... but thats different, they rock
2014-07-30 17:47 <BlueWall> most people don't take time to secure their machines, lol
2014-07-30 17:47 <luciusir> lol
2014-07-30 17:47 <dahlia> Open is just as open to the black hats as the white hats, but the people who talk about "all those eyes looking at the code" assume all those eyes are white hat
2014-07-30 17:47 <dahlia> but they arent
2014-07-30 17:47 <nebadon> ya totally
2014-07-30 17:47 <BlueWall> ++
2014-07-30 17:47 <nebadon> no system is fully secure
2014-07-30 17:47 <nebadon> its only as secure as the administrators running them
2014-07-30 17:47 <luciusir> heh phones aren't even secure anymore :(
2014-07-30 17:48 <nebadon> most servers get hacked because people expose a password 
2014-07-30 17:48 <nebadon> rarely do brute force penetrations happen
2014-07-30 17:48 <luciusir> oh look i can play angry birds ! but people can access my entire life !
2014-07-30 17:48 <dahlia> many windows exploits are application exploits, not os exploits
2014-07-30 17:48 <luciusir> ... shit which do i choose..
2014-07-30 17:48 <zadark> Windows and Linux are operating systems, most attacks are via applications
2014-07-30 17:48 <nebadon> ya that is true dahlia
2014-07-30 17:48 <luciusir> ... i think i'd rather play angry birds
2014-07-30 17:48 <luciusir> lol
2014-07-30 17:48 <nebadon> but IIS is a siv
2014-07-30 17:48 <nebadon> everytime my windows servers got clobbered
2014-07-30 17:48 <nebadon> it was because of IIS exploits
2014-07-30 17:48 <luciusir> oh nice...
2014-07-30 17:48 <nebadon> i dont think its never not been through IIS
2014-07-30 17:48 <luciusir> iis, the 'SECURE' WEB SERVER ?
2014-07-30 17:49 <luciusir> can be exploited ?
2014-07-30 17:49 <luciusir> ....
2014-07-30 17:49 <nebadon> IIS is terrible
2014-07-30 17:49 <luciusir> speaking of web servers
2014-07-30 17:49 <nebadon> IIS is ok for Intranet
2014-07-30 17:49 <dahlia> ya I never cared for IIS
2014-07-30 17:49 <nebadon> but i will never expose IIS to the internet ever again
2014-07-30 17:49 <dahlia> but apache has had its share of exploits
2014-07-30 17:49 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-30 17:49 <luciusir> is there a nice way to administer any of the services on linux, i mean NICE, not "i have to learn a new set of scripting and config syntax everytime i use anything"
2014-07-30 17:49 <luciusir> like i like frontends
2014-07-30 17:49 <nebadon> ive had lots of windows servers totally clobbered though
2014-07-30 17:49 <luciusir> its why many people prefer iis
2014-07-30 17:50 <nebadon> never had a linux server totally get clobbered like that
2014-07-30 17:50 <luciusir> that and well .net devs 
2014-07-30 17:50 <luciusir> use m$ crap
2014-07-30 17:50 <dahlia> and linux is a lot easier to use than windows, and a lot easier to automate
2014-07-30 17:50 <dahlia> and a LOT cheaper 
2014-07-30 17:50 <nebadon> yea
2014-07-30 17:50 <luciusir> dahlia:  easier to automate ? you mean like cron and crap ?
2014-07-30 17:50 <BlueWall> lol
2014-07-30 17:50 <nebadon> i use windows for desktops
2014-07-30 17:50 <nebadon> but if i could i would totally switch to linux
2014-07-30 17:51 <nebadon> but that is very difficult
2014-07-30 17:51 <zadark> IIS is overly complex, I have never had one hacked, but I know a lot of people how have lol
2014-07-30 17:51 <nebadon> so many things i do require windows apps
2014-07-30 17:51 <dahlia> luciusir: easier to automate in that you dont need to use a UI 
2014-07-30 17:51 <nebadon> that dont run well in linux
2014-07-30 17:51 <luciusir> which is the tradeoff
2014-07-30 17:51 <luciusir> maybe we should just all use ios :P
2014-07-30 17:51 <luciusir> *waits for the mob*
2014-07-30 17:51 <nebadon> haha
2014-07-30 17:51 <nebadon> OSX would make a better server than windows
2014-07-30 17:52 <dahlia> meh Im cheap, Im stuck with android :/
2014-07-30 17:52 <luciusir> hehe
2014-07-30 17:52 <zadark> Trial by mob
2014-07-30 17:52 <luciusir> i don't get to program much anymore :(
2014-07-30 17:52 <nebadon> Microsoft has really tanked a lot anymore
2014-07-30 17:52 <luciusir> i'm either dperessed about being in the center of the 700 club
2014-07-30 17:53 <luciusir> and not making good money
2014-07-30 17:53 <luciusir> or working
2014-07-30 17:53 <nebadon> Microsoft will probably never totally disappear
2014-07-30 17:53 <luciusir> or going to school :(
2014-07-30 17:53 <dahlia> I like windows for desktop
2014-07-30 17:53 <nebadon> but they are becoming extremely irrelevant every year that passes
2014-07-30 17:53 <nebadon> they are laying off what 18,000 people
2014-07-30 17:53 <luciusir> seriously wyo = 700 club = rehab = anti-pot = lack of wholesomeness :(
2014-07-30 17:53 <nebadon> if it wasnt for xbox
2014-07-30 17:53 <nebadon> i think microsoft would already be out of business
2014-07-30 17:53 <luciusir> hopefully vs doesn't go bye bye
2014-07-30 17:53 <dahlia> but kde has some nice visibility features windows could take a look at :P
2014-07-30 17:53 <luciusir> monodevelop sucks
2014-07-30 17:53 <BlueWall> lol
2014-07-30 17:54 <nebadon> microsoft Mobile 8 is an absolute flop
2014-07-30 17:54 <nebadon> windows 8 is not a success by any means
2014-07-30 17:54 <luciusir> seriously lol and using gtk sharp urgh
2014-07-30 17:54 <dahlia> and mac is horrible if one has < perfect vision
2014-07-30 17:54 <luciusir> f*** gtk
2014-07-30 17:54 <BlueWall> should we all rush out to Best Buy and pickup a new Windows machine so we can work??
2014-07-30 17:54 <nebadon> I wouldnt say mac is horrible
2014-07-30 17:55 <nebadon> its just horribly expensive
2014-07-30 17:55 <nebadon> if your into wasting money by all means buy a mac
2014-07-30 17:55 <nebadon> haha
2014-07-30 17:55 <luciusir> well nebadon :P they think different :P
2014-07-30 17:55 <BlueWall> nebadon, I put that extrafeatures stuff in
2014-07-30 17:55 <luciusir> which means more money :P
2014-07-30 17:55 <luciusir> so it looks all space age
2014-07-30 17:55 <luciusir> and runs on its own proprietary hwardware
2014-07-30 17:55 <dahlia> nebadon: it has no features to make things more visible
2014-07-30 17:55 <luciusir> that you can't run anything else on
2014-07-30 17:55 <nebadon> ya oh i agree dahlia the OSX interface drives me nuts
2014-07-30 17:55 <nebadon> i hate Gnome
2014-07-30 17:55 <nebadon> and that is all i see when i use a mac
2014-07-30 17:56 <luciusir> os x makes me nuts too
2014-07-30 17:56 <luciusir> i cna't find anything
2014-07-30 17:56 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-30 17:56 <nebadon> i feel the same way about Ubuntu Unity
2014-07-30 17:56 <luciusir> but gnome HAS gotten better
2014-07-30 17:56 <nebadon> feels very mac like to me
2014-07-30 17:56 <dahlia> oh I can get around, I just cant read anything
2014-07-30 17:56 <luciusir> its very win 8 like
2014-07-30 17:56 <BlueWall> the old macs (Motorola CPU) were workhorses
2014-07-30 17:56 <luciusir> LOL dahlia
2014-07-30 17:56 <dahlia> win8 is way better
2014-07-30 17:56 <nebadon> ya in terms of customizable desktop KDE is my favorite
2014-07-30 17:57 <nebadon> if i could have KDE on Windows Kernel
2014-07-30 17:57 <nebadon> that would be amazing
2014-07-30 17:57 <dahlia> kde is best Ive found for visibility
2014-07-30 17:57 <BlueWall> I have stuck with Gnome, but don't like it as well as I used to.
2014-07-30 17:57 <luciusir> why are there more gtk apps do you thik ?
2014-07-30 17:57 <luciusir> kde is prettier
2014-07-30 17:57 <luciusir> why should i have to bring over gnome crap to run half my apps 
2014-07-30 17:57 <nebadon> wasnt Linux part of GTK and Gnome?
2014-07-30 17:57 <nebadon> err Linus*
2014-07-30 17:57 <BlueWall> no, I don't think so
2014-07-30 17:58 <luciusir> well that explains it lol
2014-07-30 17:58 <nebadon> then he rage quite a few years ago
2014-07-30 17:58 <nebadon> quit*
2014-07-30 17:58 <dahlia> I thought gtk started with gimp?
2014-07-30 17:58 <nebadon> i thought he was one of the original creators of gnome
2014-07-30 17:58 <BlueWall> ++
2014-07-30 17:58 <BlueWall> no
2014-07-30 17:58 <nebadon> hmm
2014-07-30 17:58 <BlueWall> gimp
2014-07-30 17:58 <BlueWall> it all grew out of those widgets
2014-07-30 17:58 <lkalif> miguel de icaza started gnome
2014-07-30 17:58 <nebadon> ooh
2014-07-30 17:58 <nebadon> thats right
2014-07-30 17:58 <nebadon> i always confuse those guys
2014-07-30 17:58 <nebadon> him and linus
2014-07-30 17:59 <luciusir> ... is one of them swedish
2014-07-30 17:59 <luciusir> and the other one i'm guessing..
2014-07-30 17:59 <lkalif> miguel is the evil one
2014-07-30 17:59 <BlueWall> finnis
2014-07-30 17:59 <nebadon> Linus is Finn
2014-07-30 17:59 <luciusir> south american
2014-07-30 17:59 <lkalif> wrong
2014-07-30 17:59 <luciusir> finnish swedish.. norwegian...
2014-07-30 17:59 <luciusir> danish..
2014-07-30 17:59 <luciusir> lol
2014-07-30 17:59 <lkalif> finnish and mexican
2014-07-30 17:59 <BlueWall> Engrish
2014-07-30 17:59 <nebadon> Miguel is mexican
2014-07-30 17:59 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-30 17:59 <luciusir> ahhh
2014-07-30 17:59 <luciusir> yes so that is why gnome is evil :P
2014-07-30 17:59 <luciusir> 
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2014-07-30 18:00 <luciusir> 
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2014-07-30 18:00 <luciusir> lol
2014-07-30 18:00 <lkalif> gnome is not evil
2014-07-30 18:00 <lkalif> miguel is
2014-07-30 18:00 <nebadon> Apple seriously ruined gnome for me
2014-07-30 18:00 <dahlia> I used to like gnome before gnome 3
2014-07-30 18:00 <zadark> Dahlia, your eye sight issues got me thinking and remebered this http://graphics.berkeley.edu/papers/Huang-EFD-2014-08/supplement.pdf
2014-07-30 18:00 <nebadon> whenever i look at Gnome all i see is OSX 8
2014-07-30 18:00 <nebadon> and i cringe
2014-07-30 18:00 <luciusir> nebadon: 
2014-07-30 18:00 <BlueWall> I used to love Compiz
2014-07-30 18:00 <luciusir> can i ask 
2014-07-30 18:00 <luciusir> i wanna know more about you :P
2014-07-30 18:00 <luciusir> are you older than me, younger than me
2014-07-30 18:00 <luciusir> have more hair than me ?
2014-07-30 18:00 <nebadon> KDE has all the compiz stuff mostly built in
2014-07-30 18:00 <BlueWall> lol
2014-07-30 18:01 <dahlia> zadark: GIMME :D
2014-07-30 18:01 <nebadon> haha I dont know how old you are hehe
2014-07-30 18:01 <luciusir> i'm 33 :P
2014-07-30 18:01 <nebadon> im 38
2014-07-30 18:01 <luciusir> so you could be like..
2014-07-30 18:01 <dahlia> dont ask :(
2014-07-30 18:01 <luciusir> a daddy figure :P
2014-07-30 18:01 <nebadon> hehe
2014-07-30 18:01 <luciusir> 
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2014-07-30 18:01 <luciusir> betcha you have more hair than me :p i'm in wyoming, it falls out alot here
2014-07-30 18:02 <luciusir> i have been trapped 
2014-07-30 18:02 <luciusir> by the evil evil 700 club rehab people
2014-07-30 18:02 <luciusir> who ruined my life out east
2014-07-30 18:02 <luciusir> and have since blamed it on weed
2014-07-30 18:02 <luciusir> for no reason
2014-07-30 18:02 <luciusir> 'well us spying on him and stalking him trying to psychoanalyze him didn't ruin his life, weed did !'
2014-07-30 18:02 <luciusir> they're in denial
2014-07-30 18:02 <BlueWall> are you Fw0rd?
2014-07-30 18:02 <BlueWall> hehe
2014-07-30 18:03 <luciusir> no, did someone else get mobbed by wyomites in sexy outfits at a goth club ?
2014-07-30 18:03 <luciusir> and christian cops :P
2014-07-30 18:03 <dahlia> wyomites?
2014-07-30 18:03 <luciusir> people from the beautiful state of wyoming
2014-07-30 18:03 <luciusir> where its all fresh air and suck
2014-07-30 18:03 <luciusir> lol
2014-07-30 18:04 <luciusir> its so 'wholesome' here you think that hell might be a better place to go, if heaven is anything like it
2014-07-30 18:04 <luciusir> lol
2014-07-30 18:04 <luciusir> i miss weed, sitting a lawn chair across from a bar to watch unexpected boxing matches...
2014-07-30 18:05 <luciusir> here i get people attempting to engage in aversive therapy to keep me out of bars
2014-07-30 18:05 <luciusir> and completely sober
2014-07-30 18:05 <luciusir> which has this 'unforseen' effect of making me want to die from the boredom
2014-07-30 18:05 <luciusir> that and they have no strip clubs, are anti pot
2014-07-30 18:05 <luciusir> and all own guns
2014-07-30 18:05 <luciusir> its horrible lol
2014-07-30 18:06 <luciusir> in the mind of the average wyomite:  weed = meth = cocaine = heroin
2014-07-30 18:06 <zadark> Dahlia, this maybe useful when using VR headsets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V2x3nLQdA0
2014-07-30 18:06 <luciusir> i sorry
2014-07-30 18:06 <luciusir> :(
2014-07-30 18:06 <luciusir> please though, save me
2014-07-30 18:06 <luciusir> nebadon:  please, pull your hovercar around and whisk me away lol
2014-07-30 18:07 <dahlia> zadark: I only have minor lens issues. My problem is all the dead retina cells
2014-07-30 18:07 <luciusir> well i'll take the sudden drop in conversation as everyone hating me :(
2014-07-30 18:08 <dahlia> glasses dont fix it unfortunately :/
2014-07-30 18:08 <zadark> ah
2014-07-30 18:09 <zadark> would be useful for folks that use glasses though
2014-07-30 18:09 <dahlia> ya
2014-07-30 18:09 <luciusir> dahlia:  you guys didn't all /ignore me did you :(
2014-07-30 18:10 <luciusir> dahlia:  i'm sorry i just hate this long string of crap
2014-07-30 18:10 <dahlia> luciusir: no I dont usually /ignore people unless they are extremely obnoxious
2014-07-30 18:10 <luciusir> dahlia:  oh... i wonder if suddenly people think i'm nuts.. given the extremely annoying and unlikely situation i'm in
2014-07-30 18:11 <luciusir> dahlia:  i feel like someone in one of those cheesy hollywood movies, where noone believes they're telling the truth, even though they are
2014-07-30 18:11 <dahlia> luciusir: we're all nuts. You're just a bit more nuts :P
2014-07-30 18:12 <luciusir> dahlia:  true, but not in what i'm telling you about
2014-07-30 18:12 <zadark> Wonders of opensource communities, lesson 1 Linus Torvalds http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html
2014-07-30 18:12 <luciusir> dahlia:  these people started following me back in late 2012, because i had been acting a bit off, some of them were working at the same company and had mined my social networking and comm accounts for info on me
2014-07-30 18:13 <luciusir> dahlia:  then they began trying to trick info out of me at points, which they used to sweat and approach my friends and family for more info, so they could 'fix' me or fry me, i'm not sure what the original intent was
2014-07-30 18:13 <luciusir> dahlia:  unfortunately they associate everything other than financial problems with things like weed
2014-07-30 18:14 <BlueWall> is that because their weed is free?
2014-07-30 18:14 <luciusir> dahlia:  my emotions were fairly raw at this point, after dealing with this crap for nearly two years, and i finally got up the courage to leave, tried to sue the bastards, and instead found that the people i would have asked for help already knew
2014-07-30 18:15 <luciusir> dahlia:  then i start having people following me
2014-07-30 18:15 <luciusir> dahlia:  and reciting things out of my personal life to me
2014-07-30 18:15 <luciusir> dahlia:  going out of their way to approach me, when NOONE ever approaches me
2014-07-30 18:16 <luciusir> dahlia:  i'm not some gorgeous social butterfly, noone approaches me, and suddenly EVERYONE is going out of their way to approach me and they're not being nice, they're after some sort of information about me, my friends, my background, my beliefs...
2014-07-30 18:17 <luciusir> dahlia:  its like, i may be a bit schizoid
2014-07-30 18:18 <dahlia> luciusir: I'm not a licensed therapist
2014-07-30 18:19 <dahlia> but from the way you're talking, I'd think smoking weed probably wouldn't help much
2014-07-30 18:25 <luciusir> dahlia:  dahlia my issues were seperate from that, weed helped me handle my anxiety
2014-07-30 18:25 <AllenKerensky> so... has anyone built opensim or a viewer on raspberry pi yet?
2014-07-30 18:25 <luciusir> dahlia:  this weird shit does not
2014-07-30 18:25 <luciusir> raspberry pi ?
2014-07-30 18:25 <nebadon> AllenKerensky some have tried opensim on Raspberry Pi 
2014-07-30 18:25 <nebadon> and got it running but its terrible
2014-07-30 18:25 <nebadon> cant do anything, no physics
2014-07-30 18:26 <AllenKerensky> yeah well that's not very surprising heh
2014-07-30 18:26 <nebadon> i would have to say, getting a veiwer running on raspberry pi
2014-07-30 18:26 <nebadon> very likely an impossible task
2014-07-30 18:26 <nebadon> the hardware is too weak
2014-07-30 18:26 <AllenKerensky> but honestly - since opensim runs on a VM - what does the underlying operating system matter?
2014-07-30 18:26 <nebadon> its the hardware
2014-07-30 18:26 <nebadon> not x86
2014-07-30 18:26 <nebadon> arm is very different
2014-07-30 18:26 <nebadon> if you can get all the libraries right
2014-07-30 18:26 <nebadon> you probably can do it
2014-07-30 18:27 <AllenKerensky> heh yeah I know - spent the last 2 months learning bare metal assembly on it
2014-07-30 18:27 <dahlia> luciusir: well perhaps colorado might be more accepting of your preferred lifestyle
2014-07-30 18:27 <nebadon> getting a version of bulletsim or ODE that would run on arm to work with opensim would be a big challenge
2014-07-30 18:27 <AllenKerensky> was just saying - if windows and linux are The War Eternal - maybe its time to move the vm host to something else =)
2014-07-30 18:27 <luciusir> dahlia:  what pisses me off is, imagine sigmund freud, now add xian repression to the mental model, and you have the people that not only chased me out here, butsort of tricked me into 'therapy' which provided them with documentation to support their activities
2014-07-30 18:27 <luciusir> dahlia:  I would if i could but now i'm stuck
2014-07-30 18:27 <nebadon> ya raspberry pi is just not powerful enough
2014-07-30 18:27 <luciusir> dahlia: at the very least, two more years
2014-07-30 18:28 <nebadon> running opensim from a SD card
2014-07-30 18:28 <nebadon> not going to be good
2014-07-30 18:28 <luciusir> dahlia:  amongst women i have no chance with, liars, and life thieves
2014-07-30 18:28 <nebadon> you would at minimum need 2gb ram and SATA interface
2014-07-30 18:28 <luciusir> dahlia:  and no fun
2014-07-30 18:28 <AllenKerensky> so - maybe a Raspberry Pi compute module, or the new B+ with a class 10 SD card *grin*
2014-07-30 18:28 <nebadon> with rasp after the OS takes its share of memroy
2014-07-30 18:29 <nebadon> your left with about 300-320mb ram free
2014-07-30 18:29 <nebadon> thats just barely enough to get an empty region running
2014-07-30 18:29 <AllenKerensky> sounds like a start
2014-07-30 18:29 <AllenKerensky> you said someone's already gone and done that sort of crazy?
2014-07-30 18:29 <nebadon> yea it is possible to get it running
2014-07-30 18:29 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-30 18:29 <nebadon> someone here did it i cant remember who now
2014-07-30 18:29 <nebadon> hmm
2014-07-30 18:30 <dahlia> wound need to build bullet or ode for it, I doubt the C# bullet would work
2014-07-30 18:30 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-30 18:30 <nebadon> they did try that
2014-07-30 18:30 <nebadon> it didnt
2014-07-30 18:30 <nebadon> mono will run on arm
2014-07-30 18:30 <dahlia> just too slow
2014-07-30 18:30 <nebadon> but not well
2014-07-30 18:30 <nebadon> the threading sucks
2014-07-30 18:30 <dahlia> unity games for mobile run mono on arm
2014-07-30 18:30 <nebadon> well true
2014-07-30 18:31 <nebadon> but  rasp pi arm is different in many ways
2014-07-30 18:31 <nebadon> to a modern cell phone
2014-07-30 18:31 <nebadon> its not as powerful
2014-07-30 18:31 <AllenKerensky> depends on how much you can leverage the video core
2014-07-30 18:31 <nebadon> someone else also got opensim to run on a cell phone
2014-07-30 18:31 <nebadon> was the same person I think actually
2014-07-30 18:31 <nebadon> was a HTC one i think
2014-07-30 18:31 <dahlia> lol
2014-07-30 18:32 <luciusir> nebadon:  did you say THC ? :)
2014-07-30 18:32 <nebadon> you would be better off with a beagle bone or some other more powerful arm board
2014-07-30 18:32 <Dev_Random> thonneve?  had it running on HTC One.
2014-07-30 18:32 <nebadon> ok
2014-07-30 18:32 <AllenKerensky> been thinking of a beaglebone black too
2014-07-30 18:32 <nebadon> ya that might be who it was
2014-07-30 18:33 <AllenKerensky> so - maybe I will mess with it after I get one
2014-07-30 18:33 <AllenKerensky> thonneve? cool
2014-07-30 18:33 <nebadon> whoever it was i think was also the same person who got it running on raspberry pi
2014-07-30 18:34 <nebadon> its certainly a neat project to attempt
2014-07-30 18:34 <nebadon> but I think it would also be very anticlimactic too
2014-07-30 18:34 <luciusir> what IS raspberry pi anyone ?
2014-07-30 18:34 <nebadon> as you would find that once you got it all running you could not really do anything with it
2014-07-30 18:35 <nebadon> its a motherboard
2014-07-30 18:35 <nebadon> cheap one
2014-07-30 18:35 <nebadon> its like 35$
2014-07-30 18:35 <dahlia> I tried running it on a nslu2 once, didnt get far. I did get robust to run on it tho
2014-07-30 18:35 <nebadon> they are tiny
2014-07-30 18:35 <nebadon> http://www.raspberrypi.org/
2014-07-30 18:35 <nebadon> ya thats more reaistic
2014-07-30 18:35 <nebadon> using it as a robust service
2014-07-30 18:36 <AllenKerensky> hehehe make a 16-32 pi cluster and use DSG?
2014-07-30 18:36 <nebadon> you could even had 3 or 4 of them
2014-07-30 18:36 <nebadon> one for assets
2014-07-30 18:36 <nebadon> one for inventory
2014-07-30 18:36 <dahlia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSLU2
2014-07-30 18:36 <nebadon> oh wow ya
2014-07-30 18:37 <dahlia> I still have 3 of those lol
2014-07-30 18:37 <nebadon> thats like 1/3 the speed of a raspberry pi
2014-07-30 18:37 <nebadon> must have been excruciating
2014-07-30 18:37 <nebadon> how long did it take to compile mono?
2014-07-30 18:37 <dahlia> those things were awesome :)
2014-07-30 18:37 <nebadon> it takes very long on a pi
2014-07-30 18:37 <nebadon> its like 8 or 9 hours to compile mono or something i recall
2014-07-30 18:37 <dahlia> I think I installed mono off the debian-arm repo
2014-07-30 18:37 <nebadon> ah
2014-07-30 18:37 <nebadon> ya probably the only sane thing to do
2014-07-30 18:38 <dahlia> but there was a cross compiler available
2014-07-30 18:38 <dahlia> I usually just compiled on the nslu2
2014-07-30 18:47 <Plugh> luciusir: Monodevelop may not be the best program but I've found it has its uses.
2014-07-30 18:49 <Plugh> dahlia, gtk did start as part of GIMP>
2014-07-30 18:50 <Plugh> dahlia: I prefer Gnome 2 over 3 which is one of the reasons why I went with Linux Mint that is continuing to develop a fork of Gnome 2.
2014-07-30 18:51 <dahlia> Plugh: ya I like kde. I do have a recent ubuntu vm tho and I'm finding unity less objectionable than when it first came out
2014-07-30 18:52 <dahlia> and ya I kinda remember when gimp came out that they did all those widgets and then they became gtk
2014-07-30 18:53 <Plugh> 
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2014-07-30 18:54 <Plugh> I looked at KDE back when it was using Qt and Qt was not open source. It was pretty but I didn't like how it deal with the sound system. It took over sound and would let other apps use it.
2014-07-30 18:54 -!- velus(~velus@unaffiliated/velus) has left #opensim-dev
2014-07-30 18:54 <Plugh> I may take another look at KDE some day just to check it out.
2014-07-30 18:54 <Plugh> nebadon: ping
2014-07-30 18:55 <nebadon> hey Plugh
2014-07-30 18:56 <Plugh> Testing out a 9x9 varregion. I'm seeing SQL complaints about packages larger than allowed. I'm already allowing packets of 128M. The issue is affecting the terrain. Have you seen anything like this?
2014-07-30 18:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #3734 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-30 18:58 <dahlia> Plugh: ya I avoided KDE for a long time and would only use Gnome. Gnome 3 drove me away tho 
2014-07-30 18:59 <Plugh> dahlia: Unity drove me away from Ubuntu. What I was reading about Gnome 3 also didn't impress me so I decided to stick with 2. It may not be pretty but it works for me.
2014-07-30 19:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3734: SUCCESS in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3734/
2014-07-30 19:01 <osjenkins> bluewall: Add Chat module extra feature settings to GridExtraFeatures service
2014-07-30 19:02 <Plugh> 
ACTION wonders if he can see the gears in nebadon's head turning  ;)

2014-07-30 19:03 <Plugh> Random comment follow.I have someone wanting to try a 12x12 varregion to replace a bunch of populated regular regions. I'm not so sure that is a good idea.
2014-07-30 19:04 <dahlia> 
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2014-07-30 19:04 <Plugh> hehe
2014-07-30 19:09 <nebadon> hmm
2014-07-30 19:09 <nebadon> i have seen that before 
2014-07-30 19:09 <Plugh> ok.
2014-07-30 19:09 <nebadon> usually making it 16M is sufficient
2014-07-30 19:09 <Plugh> I'm using 128M
2014-07-30 19:09 <nebadon> 9x9 is big
2014-07-30 19:09 <nebadon> i think the max right now is 2048x2048
2014-07-30 19:09 <Plugh> Not as big as someone wants to go. They want to go 12x12. I think that might be a bad idea.
2014-07-30 19:09 <nebadon> otherwise you run into terrain issues
2014-07-30 19:10 <Plugh> yup. Exactly what I'm hearing.
2014-07-30 19:10 <nebadon> does it go away if you change to 8x8?
2014-07-30 19:11 <Plugh> I'm only just hearing of this. I'll suggest that.
2014-07-30 19:11 <lkalif> you really don't want to run regions that big
2014-07-30 19:11 <lkalif> i don't recommend going above 1024
2014-07-30 19:11 <lkalif> the viewers are really not optimized for it
2014-07-30 19:11 <zadark> 30 people turned up for the HG Safari, this should be interesting
2014-07-30 19:11 <Plugh> lkalif: No, I wouldn't want to do that.
2014-07-30 19:11 <lkalif> and will use a lot of memory
2014-07-30 19:13 <Plugh> The viewer will use a lot of memory or the instance will use a lot?
2014-07-30 19:13 <zadark> Dorena's world is in for a shock! lol
2014-07-30 19:13 <lkalif> Plugh: both. viewer stores full region terrain in memory for instance
2014-07-30 19:14 <lkalif> gets into gigabytes for > 2048
2014-07-30 19:14 <Plugh> ok
2014-07-30 19:15 <nebadon> remember Plugh, you can put Vars next to each other
2014-07-30 19:15 <nebadon> normally for my grids i use all 768x768 regions
2014-07-30 19:15 <nebadon> 1024x1024 should be ok as well
2014-07-30 19:15 <nebadon> we use 768x768 because in our older grids our simulators were all 3x3
2014-07-30 19:16 <nebadon> so it was natural transition for us to switch to 768x768
2014-07-30 19:16 <Plugh> sure. I think the point is they are trying to eliminate region crossing but I think it will run in to other headaches if the varregions are too big.
2014-07-30 19:16 <nebadon> yea
2014-07-30 19:16 <nebadon> you would be surprised how big 1024x1024 feels
2014-07-30 19:16 <nebadon> thats a lot of land
2014-07-30 19:17 <lkalif> 1024 should really be the max for all practical purposes
2014-07-30 19:17 <Plugh> nebadon: ok. I used to have some instances running up to 3x3 but haven't done that in ages. I currently use 1 region per instance.
2014-07-30 19:17 <nebadon> ya we do to now
2014-07-30 19:18 <nebadon> the grid i am talking about was actually setup before i got there I took it over
2014-07-30 19:18 <Plugh> yea, 1kx1k is big and would take a while to go from one side to the other.
2014-07-30 19:18 <nebadon> and switched the entire thing to all 768x768 single instance regions
2014-07-30 19:18 <Plugh> nebadon: yea, been there, done that. :)
2014-07-30 19:18 <lkalif> varregion is one instance, unlike "mega"
2014-07-30 19:19 <Plugh> My other concern with a populated varregion would be the ability to handle all the scripts that could exist across the oversized region.
2014-07-30 19:20 <nebadon> 1024x1024 = 259 acres of land
2014-07-30 19:20 <Plugh> BTW, how is Warp3D these days? I saw the notices that it doesn't leak memory like it used to (or not anywhere near as bad).
2014-07-30 19:21 <Plugh> nebadon: I'm not a farmer. I don't really know how big is an acre
2014-07-30 19:21 <luciusir> mio is so wonderful
2014-07-30 19:21 <Plugh> :)
2014-07-30 19:21 <luciusir> Plugh:  !!
2014-07-30 19:21 <luciusir> :)
2014-07-30 19:21 <Plugh> hehe
2014-07-30 19:21 <luciusir> 
ACTION hugrapes Plugh

2014-07-30 19:21 <luciusir> i missed you.. not sure why :P but i remember you as pleasant hehe
2014-07-30 19:22 <Plugh> nebadon: 8x8 is generating same oversize packet error with MySQL set to allow 128M packets
2014-07-30 19:22 <nebadon> are you sure that variable is actually being set?
2014-07-30 19:22 <nebadon> your checking on mysql console?
2014-07-30 19:23 <Plugh> I have the limit set in /etc/my.cnf but I could double check with the console.
2014-07-30 19:23 <lkalif> yaeh, i'd double check if it's active
2014-07-30 19:23 <Plugh> I think it is because I had to up the limit when I was merging databases from two different machines to the current database server.
2014-07-30 19:23 <zadark> HG Safari, all 30 made the HG to Dorena's world
2014-07-30 19:23 <nebadon> nice
2014-07-30 19:24 <zadark> Everyone rezzed and dancing by the looks of it
2014-07-30 19:26 <Plugh> nebadon: show variables reports max_allowed_packet is 134217728
2014-07-30 19:27 <nebadon> ok so it is being set
2014-07-30 19:27 <nebadon> hmm
2014-07-30 19:27 <nebadon> I personally have never ran anything over 1024x1024
2014-07-30 19:27 <nebadon> can you try 1024x1024 now?
2014-07-30 19:27 <Plugh> I'm trying to discourage using a var of that size.
2014-07-30 19:27 <nebadon> before we bang our head on this too muchg
2014-07-30 19:27 <nebadon> lets find the breaking point
2014-07-30 19:28 <Plugh> Just as you asked I was told a 4x4 works great.
2014-07-30 19:28 <zadark> HG Safari 34  now and more arriving
2014-07-30 19:28 <nebadon> ok interesting
2014-07-30 19:28 <nebadon> i know others have ran 2048x2048 before
2014-07-30 19:28 <nebadon> but like lkalif said, i would discourage that 
2014-07-30 19:28 <Plugh> There should be a way to calculate the packet size for the terrain as used in the DB.
2014-07-30 19:29 <Plugh> yea, I'm trying to discourage its use. At the moment its a test to see the impact on the servers. Don't think they have fully populated the test varregion yet. 
2014-07-30 19:32 <luciusir> how did you even hear of raspberry pi ??
2014-07-30 19:32 <Plugh> The Pi has been in the news a lot
2014-07-30 19:32 <AllenKerensky> its a frequent topic on Hack-A-Day
2014-07-30 19:32 <luciusir> damn am I out of the loop..  hack-a-day ?
2014-07-30 19:33 <luciusir> it seems like someone took a smart phone and added a keyboard jack...
2014-07-30 19:33 <Plugh> The Pi has been out so long there is now a third (or is it fourth) version.
2014-07-30 19:33 <AllenKerensky> yeah a web site about hardware hacking
2014-07-30 19:33 <AllenKerensky> and yes - there has been Pi model A, B1, B2, Compute Module, and B+
2014-07-30 19:33 <Plugh> A, B, B with extra RAM, and now B with extra RAM and I/O.
2014-07-30 19:34 <luciusir> ...hrmmm.
2014-07-30 19:34 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: Compute Module? I don't recalling hearing about that.
2014-07-30 19:34 <luciusir> and does it come in a protetcive box or is it just a circuit board ?
2014-07-30 19:34 <AllenKerensky> just a bare board
2014-07-30 19:34 <luciusir> hrmm...
2014-07-30 19:34 <Plugh> luciusir: Board only. There is a whole industry out there making different types of cases.
2014-07-30 19:34 <AllenKerensky> you can get "kits" that have cases, USB power, and electronics breadboards
2014-07-30 19:35 <luciusir> hrmmm..
2014-07-30 19:35 <Plugh> Board, not bare as the parts are already on it. :)
2014-07-30 19:35 <luciusir> someone beat me to my idea lol
2014-07-30 19:35 <luciusir> well actually my idea was to make a case enclosed smartphone beowulf
2014-07-30 19:35 <Plugh> The first popular case for the Pi was the Pibow
2014-07-30 19:35 <luciusir> but this is semi similar...
2014-07-30 19:36 <luciusir> where are the specs..
2014-07-30 19:36 <dahlia> raspberry pi has 4 revs now? time for some competion...
2014-07-30 19:36 <dahlia> 
ACTION starts the Strawberry Ln company...

2014-07-30 19:36 <Plugh> dahlia: It does, of sorts, in the form of the BBB.
2014-07-30 19:36 <AllenKerensky> lots of competition - Beaglebone, Arduino and many other hobby boards
2014-07-30 19:36 <luciusir> ugh 700 mhz proc ???
2014-07-30 19:36 <AllenKerensky> there's a good reasons to choose between all of them
2014-07-30 19:36 <fuubaarr> so, bottom line 768x768 varregions are fine, and don't bog down the scripting engine etc... just 2x checking beforei migrate my 3x3 region complexes.
2014-07-30 19:36 <zadark> 
ACTION starts HG bed and breakfast

2014-07-30 19:37 <luciusir> and arm ??
2014-07-30 19:37 <Plugh> Arduino is a bit of a different class of machine. 
2014-07-30 19:37 <luciusir> tell me someone has found a way of combining 100 of these into one machine :P
2014-07-30 19:37 <Plugh> yes, they have.
2014-07-30 19:37 <luciusir> well thats good to know
2014-07-30 19:37 <Plugh> luciusir: http://raspberrywebserver.com/raspberrypicluster/raspberry-pi-cluster.html
2014-07-30 19:38 <luciusir> shame opensim would have to be rebuilt with the parallel faculties of .net to work 
2014-07-30 19:38 <luciusir> haha looks the first blocks of the original google server
2014-07-30 19:38 <luciusir> lol
2014-07-30 19:38 <Plugh> luciusir: http://www.zdnet.com/build-your-own-supercomputer-out-of-raspberry-pi-boards-7000015831/
2014-07-30 19:39 <Plugh> That second link has 32 Pi's.
2014-07-30 19:39 <dahlia> how many pis to make a i7?
2014-07-30 19:39 <nebadon> hmm
2014-07-30 19:39 <nebadon> probably about 500
2014-07-30 19:40 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-30 19:40 <nebadon> nah maybe like 256
2014-07-30 19:40 <AllenKerensky> heh no
2014-07-30 19:40 <nebadon> hard to say
2014-07-30 19:40 <AllenKerensky> the videocore iv GPU actually contributes a lot
2014-07-30 19:40 <nebadon> you would loose a ton of power because of the network
2014-07-30 19:40 <Plugh> luciusir: Here are 64 Pi's in a cluster -> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/12/raspberry_pi_supercomputer/
2014-07-30 19:40 <AllenKerensky> the Pi is a bit weird in that the GPU actually boots the CPU
2014-07-30 19:41 <AllenKerensky> and you can run 1080p HD movies on a Pi - many people use them as media centers
2014-07-30 19:42 <nebadon> Core i7 920 	 4 cores @ 2.66GHz SSE4.2 	40 GFLOPS
2014-07-30 19:42 <nebadon> Raspberry pi = .175 GFLOPs
2014-07-30 19:43 <nebadon> so i guess i wasnt too far off
2014-07-30 19:43 <nebadon> its more than 256
2014-07-30 19:43 <dahlia> ya but flops prolly not best comparison
2014-07-30 19:43 <nebadon> true
2014-07-30 19:43 <AllenKerensky> not a 1:1 CISC vs. RISC
2014-07-30 19:43 <dahlia> mips maybe better
2014-07-30 19:44 <nebadon> yea lets see how mips stack up
2014-07-30 19:44 <Plugh> Bringing this back to OS for a moment, how is Warp3D as of 0.8?
2014-07-30 19:44 <dahlia> iops
2014-07-30 19:44 <AllenKerensky> Plugh: works just fine for me
2014-07-30 19:44 <Plugh> It doesn't blow up the memory usage of OS that much any more?
2014-07-30 19:44 <nebadon> Intel Core i7 3770k 	106,924 Dhrystone MIPS at 3.9 GHz
2014-07-30 19:45 <AllenKerensky> not for me Plugh
2014-07-30 19:45 <AllenKerensky> but I also compile my own servers and such so your mileage may vary
2014-07-30 19:45 <Plugh> ok, Cool. I think I'll switch a few regions in a grid over to Warp3D and see what happens.
2014-07-30 19:46 <nebadon> hmm still looking for mips on a pi
2014-07-30 19:46 <AllenKerensky> baseline your current usage too
2014-07-30 19:47 <AllenKerensky> well nebadon again, its not really a fair compare - "ARM" is a general IP company - it really comes down to the implementor and how many co-pros they have
2014-07-30 19:47 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-30 19:47 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: yea. I'd make notes about current memory/CPU usage on the regions before switching them to Warp3D
2014-07-30 19:48 <AllenKerensky> the Pi has a VideoCore IV GPU, the ARM1176 core, a VPU copro and more
2014-07-30 19:48 <nebadon> from what i know the Raspberry Pi is about as fast as a 300-600mhz Pentium III
2014-07-30 19:48 <nebadon> surprised i cant find much on stats for the pi
2014-07-30 19:48 <AllenKerensky> the Pi makes a fair linux desktop - even for some 3D stuff like quake, minecraft, etc
2014-07-30 19:48 <nebadon> nothing i trust anyway
2014-07-30 19:48 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: Does it sill have the off-by-one type error with the white vertical line on the right side of the map tiles?
2014-07-30 19:49 <AllenKerensky> I haven't noticed one in a long time Plugh but not really looked either
2014-07-30 19:49 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-30 19:49 <nebadon> found this
2014-07-30 19:49 <Plugh> I'm using a Pi on my workbench. I am able to use it to program AVR microcontrollers.
2014-07-30 19:49 <nebadon> http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/pcs/2012/04/16/raspberry-pi-review/4
2014-07-30 19:49 <nebadon> thats compared to a old Core2 chip
2014-07-30 19:49 <nebadon> which are still quite fast processors though
2014-07-30 19:50 <nebadon> i7 destroys core2 though
2014-07-30 19:50 <AllenKerensky> ... i think it has more cache than a Pi has main RAM lol
2014-07-30 19:50 <nebadon> heh
2014-07-30 19:51 <nebadon> core2 has probably somewhere between 2mb and 6mb cache
2014-07-30 19:51 <nebadon> for that class of chip in that benchmark above
2014-07-30 19:51 <nebadon> my core2 quad 9550 had 12mb cache
2014-07-30 19:51 <nebadon> not sure what my i7 has
2014-07-30 19:52 <nebadon> 6m
2014-07-30 19:52 <Plugh> 
ACTION takes half the quad to add to his core2 duo  ;)

2014-07-30 19:52 <AllenKerensky> yeah but here's the deal - no one is going to put a bare i7 on a bench and let their kids wire LEDs to it or program Scratch and Python robotics with it
2014-07-30 19:52 <nebadon> you could probably find a core2quad chip on ebay cheap Plugh
2014-07-30 19:52 <nebadon> those chips are seriously indestructable
2014-07-30 19:52 <Plugh> It can drop in to the same socket as the 2 duo?
2014-07-30 19:53 <nebadon> check your motherboard specs on their website
2014-07-30 19:53 <nebadon> but generally yes
2014-07-30 19:53 <AllenKerensky> and I wouldn't teach a keep x86 assembly as their first look at baremetal/embedded work unless I hated them a LOT
2014-07-30 19:53 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-07-30 19:53 <nebadon> core2duo and quad is interchangeable
2014-07-30 19:53 <nebadon> just make sure you get the generation that matches your board
2014-07-30 19:53 <AllenKerensky> "teach a kid" too
2014-07-30 19:53 <nebadon> there are couple generations of core2
2014-07-30 19:53 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: You do that so they stay away from your toys. ;)
2014-07-30 19:54 <AllenKerensky> nah I bought my son a Pi - he's halfway through a self-paced learning book - Scratch, Python, etc
2014-07-30 19:54 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-07-30 19:54 <AllenKerensky> and for $35 + book - its a freaking steal
2014-07-30 19:55 <Plugh> nice.
2014-07-30 19:55 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-30 19:55 <AllenKerensky> but yeah since I got mine I've toyed with putting Mono on it and trying opensim
2014-07-30 19:55 <AllenKerensky> "just to see"
2014-07-30 19:55 <AllenKerensky> it really needs for the open-source videocore drivers to get further along so that the OS can offload some compute to the GPU
2014-07-30 19:56 <nebadon> ya
2014-07-30 19:56 <AllenKerensky> and the real deal neb - cross compile
2014-07-30 19:56 <nebadon> the pi reminds me of commodore 64
2014-07-30 19:56 <nebadon> great for kids
2014-07-30 19:56 <AllenKerensky> it should - and it is a LOT like it
2014-07-30 19:56 <AllenKerensky> the Acorn started as a 6502 machine like the C64
2014-07-30 19:56 <AllenKerensky> and then Acorn took 6502 and mashed in RISC 1 and the ARM was born
2014-07-30 19:57 <nebadon> if i didnt have such a ridiculous amount of computing power already i would definitely be playing with a Pi
2014-07-30 19:57 <AllenKerensky> well, I use my big linux desktop to crosscompile stuff for the Pi
2014-07-30 19:57 <AllenKerensky> so - no 20-hour build for me lol
2014-07-30 19:57 <nebadon> heh ya
2014-07-30 19:58 <Plugh> yeah
2014-07-30 19:58 <AllenKerensky> check out PiFox - a starfox workalike written in 5900 lines of bare metal ARM assembly
2014-07-30 19:58 <AllenKerensky> does full screen 3D and all that with the barely understood opensource parts of the videocore iv GPU
2014-07-30 19:58 <Plugh> oh, starfox is a video game
2014-07-30 19:58 <AllenKerensky> yeah
2014-07-30 19:59 <Plugh> doing that in only 5900 lines sounds really good.
2014-07-30 19:59 <AllenKerensky> so - I've wondered if Radegast would build and run on a Pi for example
2014-07-30 19:59 <nebadon> ya what would be awesome would be to make a Pi emulator arcade box
2014-07-30 19:59 <AllenKerensky> yeah a lot of people have
2014-07-30 19:59 <Plugh> nebadon: Its been done.
2014-07-30 19:59 <nebadon> like a stand up arcade box with every console and arcade game ever made
2014-07-30 19:59 <nebadon> that would be a fun project
2014-07-30 19:59 <nebadon> ive already basically done that on my Galaxy Note 8 tablet
2014-07-30 19:59 <AllenKerensky> check Hack-A-Day - several articles with cabinet builds and wiring NES controllers or arcade controllers
2014-07-30 20:00 <nebadon> i have like every NES,N64,Sega, and tons of mame games
2014-07-30 20:00 <Plugh> nebadon: Look up NaCade, Cupcade, Picade, or Porta Pi Arcade (to new ones I haven't seen before).
2014-07-30 20:00 <nebadon> on like 4gb of my tablet space
2014-07-30 20:00 <nebadon> lol
2014-07-30 20:00 <nebadon> i love playing super mario brothers on NES emulator
2014-07-30 20:00 <Plugh> nebadon: The original arcade machine using a Pi is MAME -> http://www.raspberrypi.org/tag/mame/
2014-07-30 20:01 <nebadon> ya mame is awesome
2014-07-30 20:01 <AllenKerensky> <--- prefers MESS
2014-07-30 20:01 <Plugh> hm... maybe it wasn't first. Still not the image I'm looking for
2014-07-30 20:01 <AllenKerensky> but I spent more time on micros and less time in arcades
2014-07-30 20:02 <Plugh> I've never played any version of Mario Bros.
2014-07-30 20:03 <AllenKerensky> well now I've talked myself into trying a source build of opensim and radegast on a Pi
2014-07-30 20:03 <Plugh> I just pulled some stuff out of my storage locker and found the 1802 based CPU board I built in the late 70's.
2014-07-30 20:03 <AllenKerensky> I will write up a web page on what I come up with and how it is
2014-07-30 20:03 <AllenKerensky> Plugh GIF! GIF!
2014-07-30 20:03 <Plugh> say what?
2014-07-30 20:03 <AllenKerensky> now you can make an emu for it hehe
2014-07-30 20:03 <AllenKerensky> its a way of saying 'take pics and share'
2014-07-30 20:04 <Plugh> yea. Now I could have it run in a single FPGA.
2014-07-30 20:04 <AllenKerensky> kids today need more people saying "put down the phone and pick up a breadboard"
2014-07-30 20:04 <Plugh> BTW, I just ran across a plug-in board for a Pi that gives it access to an FPGA and a set of libraries too.
2014-07-30 20:04 <nebadon> something like this
2014-07-30 20:04 <nebadon> http://www.thatshouldbemine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/icade.jpg
2014-07-30 20:05 <nebadon> would be awesome, but with a Pi
2014-07-30 20:05 <AllenKerensky> yeap
2014-07-30 20:05 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: I'll take pictures later. I seem to have removed the memory chips but I may have some in my parts drawer.
2014-07-30 20:05 <AllenKerensky> I love it - and my touchpad would drop into that
2014-07-30 20:06 <AllenKerensky> better yet
2014-07-30 20:06 <AllenKerensky> something like that for OpenSim viewers
2014-07-30 20:06 <Plugh> nebadon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5npkz0xY1fo
2014-07-30 20:06 <AllenKerensky> Inventory button - Chat History button etc
2014-07-30 20:06 <nebadon> haha nice Plugh
2014-07-30 20:07 <AllenKerensky> I had an old Saitek 7x5 programmable keyboard with overlays that I used for SecondLife long ago
2014-07-30 20:07 <Plugh> nebadon: I think that was the first arcade machine I saw that uses a Pi.
2014-07-30 20:07 <AllenKerensky> for RP commands to the huds - DCS, RCS etc
2014-07-30 20:07 <Plugh> nebadon: There is a link to docs if you want to duplicate that yourself.
2014-07-30 20:07 <nebadon> nice
2014-07-30 20:08 <dahlia> Plugh: I probably have a few S-100 cards hidden in a box somewhere
2014-07-30 20:08 <nebadon> ya maybe one day, i am really happy with my Galaxy Note 8 for now
2014-07-30 20:08 <nebadon> its all the arcade machine i need
2014-07-30 20:08 <nebadon> hook up my Ouya controller too it
2014-07-30 20:08 <AllenKerensky> awesome Dahlia I was just showing my kids a presentation the other day with some of the original MITS and IMSAI stuff 
2014-07-30 20:09 <Plugh> dahlia: Yup. I have an S-100 bus CPU board, memory board, and a one or two(?) others. I was building an S-100 bus system in to a hammond cabinet that had room for a 6 slot MB and power supply.
2014-07-30 20:09 <Plugh> dahlia: I have an 8" floppy drive and CP/M on an 8" floppy.
2014-07-30 20:10 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: I want to draw up the schematic for my 1802 board using modern schematic capture programs. It was just drawn up with pencil and paper back in the day. Not sure if I really have a full schematic for it.
2014-07-30 20:12 <Plugh> Someone was busy yesterday. They closed 23 mantis reports I had started or was monitoring.
2014-07-30 20:13 <zadark> HG Safari, bit of a blowout attempting to HG to Lani
2014-07-30 20:53 <nebadon> hello diva_ :)
2014-07-30 21:49 <smxy> I see BlueWall added the service so we can push the Destinaion Guide URL up to the viewer. Now, we just need viewers to use it ... thanks, BlueWall. :)
2014-07-30 22:05 <BlueWall_AFK> o/
2014-07-30 22:13 <dahlia> \o
2014-07-30 22:14 <djphil> \o/
2014-07-30 22:14 <BlueWall_AFK> _o_
2014-07-30 22:15 <dahlia> 0_o
2014-07-30 22:16 <djphil> o_o
2014-07-30 22:17 <djphil> when will we have the pleasure of smilies in the viewer?
2014-07-30 22:17 <dahlia> that's a viewer problem :P
2014-07-30 22:17 <BlueWall_AFK> I have some scripts in SL for emote
2014-07-30 22:18 <BlueWall_AFK> freebies
2014-07-30 22:18 <BlueWall_AFK> I guess they work in OpenSim
2014-07-30 22:18 <djphil> it should not be very difficult to implement this in a little hack
2014-07-30 22:18 <djphil> no emote (ascii) but real smiley's in gif or png
2014-07-30 22:18 <BlueWall_AFK> I think the viewer has the animation built in
2014-07-30 22:18 <dahlia> I have some scripted attachment thingie that emits smilie particles whenever it parses smilies in chat
2014-07-30 22:19 <BlueWall_AFK> haha
2014-07-30 22:19 <djphil> in text chat, not with particles inword
2014-07-30 22:19 <BlueWall_AFK> ohhh, guestures?
2014-07-30 22:19 <dahlia> problem is by the time the viewer downloads the smilie texture the burst is over so it usually emits grey squares
2014-07-30 22:20 <djphil> yes I understand, simply listening in a lsl script that responds to certain words to send particles
2014-07-30 22:20 <BlueWall_AFK> you could attach a transparent prim with the texture on it, then the viewer would cache it.
2014-07-30 22:20 <dahlia> ya
2014-07-30 22:21 <dahlia> I think its more decode time than download time
2014-07-30 22:21 <djphil> but I speak smileys in text chat ... as you can already see in METABolt for example ...
2014-07-30 22:21 <dahlia> oh havent used metabolt
2014-07-30 22:21 <djphil> heh try it :p
2014-07-30 22:22 <dahlia> meh I use radegast or testclient
2014-07-30 22:22 <djphil> Metabolt allow basic smileys
2014-07-30 22:22 <BlueWall_AFK> you might find some smile character in a font and place it in a gesture
2014-07-30 22:22 <djphil> yes i know
2014-07-30 22:22 <djphil> i talk about normal smiley's (not ascii)
2014-07-30 22:23 <djphil> that a great feature for 2015 :)
2014-07-30 22:23 <djphil> or 2016 ^^
2014-07-30 22:23 <dahlia> I kinda like text smilies, they encourage creativity :)
2014-07-30 22:23 <djphil> hahaha
2014-07-30 22:24 <djphil> i suggest normal smileys tio encourage coding
2014-07-30 22:25 <djphil> 100% certain that it would be very appreciated by users :p
2014-07-30 22:25 <dahlia> it's a viewer issue :P
2014-07-30 22:26 <BlueWall_AFK> ☺
2014-07-30 22:26 <djphil> issue or capability ???
2014-07-30 22:26 <BlueWall_AFK> ✌
2014-07-30 22:26 <dahlia> lol
2014-07-30 22:26 <djphil> wow :)
2014-07-30 22:26 <BlueWall_AFK> ☕
2014-07-30 22:26 <BlueWall_AFK> hehe, tiny 
2014-07-30 22:26 <djphil> time for appericube
2014-07-30 22:27 <BlueWall_AFK> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2014-07-30 23:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #3735 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-30 23:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3735: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3735/
2014-07-30 23:37 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix bug where calling PUTGROUP on the core groups service without specifying a ServiceLocation would set the group name to an empty string.
2014-07-31 03:56 <luciusir> lallala
2014-07-31 05:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #3736 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-31 05:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3736: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3736/
2014-07-31 05:10 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: thread safe handling of list of avatars.
2014-07-31 06:55 <LiruCookies> Is anyone awake?
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2014-07-31 07:43 <dahlia> LiruCookies: whats up?
2014-07-31 07:46 <LiruCookies> dahlia: I need a region tht defines search url in either extras or login response..
2014-07-31 07:47 <dahlia> LiruCookies: if those are the normal places they are sent to the viewer I'd think any of the plazas on OSGrid would do it
2014-07-31 07:47 <LiruCookies> dahlia: Or a region that defines destination_guide_url in login response
2014-07-31 07:48 <LiruCookies> dahlia: nopenope.. no luck..
2014-07-31 07:48 <dahlia> oh dunno about dest guide
2014-07-31 07:48 <dahlia> may want to ask bluewall when he's awake
2014-07-31 07:48 <LiruCookies> dahlia: These are used for websearch
2014-07-31 07:48 <dahlia> I think he's been working on it
2014-07-31 07:49 <dahlia> ya sorry I dont know about search params either. Id think they were udp if they used the old UI
2014-07-31 07:51 <dahlia> as far as I know the old search UI predates Caps
2014-07-31 07:51 <LiruCookies> Mew? The old one is udp, yes, but there is now an opensimextras for it
2014-07-31 07:51 <LiruCookies> for the new one
2014-07-31 07:51 <LiruCookies> the web search
2014-07-31 07:51 <dahlia> oh
2014-07-31 07:52 <dahlia> ya dont think I know how that works. May want to ask Bluewall or justincc
2014-07-31 07:52 <dahlia> or Melanie_T
2014-07-31 07:53 <dahlia> 
ACTION doesn't pay attention to a lot of the SL-like grid features in the code unfortunately...

2014-07-31 07:53 <LiruCookies> diva, maybe...
2014-07-31 07:53 <dahlia> or her but she's on vacation
2014-07-31 07:53 <LiruCookies> Oh
2014-07-31 07:54 <LiruCookies> lkalif would know...
2014-07-31 07:54 <dahlia> maybe orenh might know
2014-07-31 07:54 <lkalif> what?
2014-07-31 07:54 <LiruCookies> lkalif: I need a region that uses the OpenSimExtras search url override
2014-07-31 07:55 <lkalif> I'm having breakfast, will see how to do that in half an hour
2014-07-31 07:55 <LiruCookies> Awesome~
2014-07-31 07:55 <dahlia> whats for breakfast? o.0
2014-07-31 07:56 <lkalif> nothing exciting, fresh bread butter and cheese
2014-07-31 07:57 <osmantis> Bug #7287:04 Taking items via Hypergrid Travel from OWSCC2014 Grid - CreatorId Issues and "Loading.." 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7287 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-31 07:57 <dahlia> isnt butter illegal in denmark?
2014-07-31 07:58 <orenh> LiruCookies all Kitely regions use a custom search URL, you can pop over there
2014-07-31 07:58 <orenh> or you can set it yourself:
2014-07-31 07:58 <orenh> in Robust.ini or Robust.HG.ini
2014-07-31 07:58 <orenh> under [LoginService]
2014-07-31 07:58 <orenh> Set: SearchURL = <url>
2014-07-31 07:58 <lkalif> dahlia: what gave you that idea?
2014-07-31 07:58 <dahlia> or maybe it's just taxed
2014-07-31 07:58 <lkalif> ah I can set it up then easily
2014-07-31 07:59 <LiruCookies> orenh: I need to make a Kitely account.. where would I do so?
2014-07-31 07:59 <lkalif> dahlia: yes, there is some "unhealthy" food tax for products that have more than some % of sugar and certain kinds of fats
2014-07-31 07:59 <orenh> Go to http://www.kitely.com and click "Sign Up" in the header
2014-07-31 08:00 <dahlia> lkalif: how about white bread?
2014-07-31 08:01 <lkalif> no I think it was only sugar and certain kinds of fats
2014-07-31 08:01 <dahlia> gotta love it when politicians are the ones determining which foods are "unhealthy" lol
2014-07-31 08:02 <dahlia> US has that problem too and the result is a massive diabetes epidemic
2014-07-31 08:06 <lkalif> dahlia: it's actually not politicians
2014-07-31 08:07 <dahlia> well it wasn't in the US either. A few "expert scientists" gave congress a presentation lasting a couple hours and then congress "acted"
2014-07-31 08:08 <lkalif> we have whole bunch of taxes like that
2014-07-31 08:08 <dahlia> they presented the "latest data"
2014-07-31 08:08 <lkalif> you car has low gas mileage? extra tax
2014-07-31 08:08 <lkalif> and so on...
2014-07-31 08:09 <dahlia> ya just seems strange that they dont tax white bread
2014-07-31 08:09 <lkalif> I guess it's not a problem here
2014-07-31 08:10 <LiruCookies> orenh: Why are there create new account buttons all over the kitely site while logged in?
2014-07-31 08:11 <orenh> Where? The only place they should appear is in the homepage.
2014-07-31 08:11 <LiruCookies> Home page and services.
2014-07-31 08:11 <orenh> Right.
2014-07-31 08:11 <LiruCookies> That's it.
2014-07-31 08:12 <LiruCookies> I need the login uri
2014-07-31 08:12 <orenh> These pages have a fixed layout. Existing users generally don't visit them, as the default page when they come to the site is "My Worlds"
2014-07-31 08:12 <orenh> Go here: http://www.kitely.com/virtual-world/Ilan-Tochner/Kitely-Welcome-Center
2014-07-31 08:12 <orenh> and click "Enter World"
2014-07-31 08:14 <LiruCookies> orenh: I was taken there when I validated my email, to the homepage, not the My Worlds page.
2014-07-31 08:14 <LiruCookies> Enter World isn't going to work because I'm using a viewer out of source, not installed and registered as SLURL handler.
2014-07-31 08:15 <orenh> that's ok
2014-07-31 08:15 <orenh> it just shows you the login details
2014-07-31 08:15 <orenh> we used to auto-launch the viewer, but we don't do that anymore
2014-07-31 08:15 <LiruCookies> Oh, I see.
2014-07-31 08:17 <LiruCookies> Maybe I broke something..
2014-07-31 08:17 <orenh> Oh, dear. What?...
2014-07-31 08:18 <LiruCookies> Well, it appears as though search url is empty..
2014-07-31 08:21 <dahlia> lkalif: it's a problem but perhaps not as bad as in the US http://bendixcarstensen.com/ISCB2012/Carstensen.2008c.pdf
2014-07-31 08:22 <lkalif> dahlia: I mean white bread specifically. it's not that popular anyway
2014-07-31 08:22 <dahlia> ya that would help
2014-07-31 08:28 <osmantis> Bug #7287:04 Taking items via Hypergrid Travel from OWSCC2014 Grid - CreatorId Issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7287 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-07-31 08:34 <LiruCookies> Looking at that how to enter kitely virtual worlds, it's amusing how difficult it is to add grids on other viewers.
2014-07-31 08:44 <dahlia> LiruCookies: it's a pain on most viewers
2014-07-31 08:44 <dahlia> and the ui is confusing
2014-07-31 09:00 <lkalif> [Search] SearchURL setting in OpenSim.ini seems to have no effect
2014-07-31 09:10 <lkalif> LiruCookies: looks like getting search url is not hooked up at all, even from the login request / response
2014-07-31 09:12 <LiruCookies> lkalif: I was aware, I've been telling you this
2014-07-31 09:13 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Th only part of it that's mildly hooked up is so that you can switch on v3 web search and use it
2014-07-31 09:13 <LiruCookies> And that's only with the response, hence the word mildly
2014-07-31 09:14 <lkalif> you have to request it in login 
2014-07-31 09:14 <LiruCookies> I hooked it up locally and did a rework I've been working on.
2014-07-31 09:14 <LiruCookies> orenh: I may have broken myself on kitely..
2014-07-31 09:15 <LiruCookies> orenh: I was in the midle of the debugger to besure everything was set correctly while logging in, you may need to push my account to logout.
2014-07-31 09:15 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Do you have a region I could test on, meanwhile?
2014-07-31 09:16 <lkalif> test what?
2014-07-31 09:16 <LiruCookies> The search url setting from login response?
2014-07-31 09:16 <lkalif> you have to ask for it in llstartup.cpp
2014-07-31 09:17 <LiruCookies> lkalif: I do
2014-07-31 09:17 <lkalif> for destination guide is  requested_options.push_back("destination_guide_url");
2014-07-31 09:17 <lkalif> forgot what the search was
2014-07-31 09:17 <LiruCookies> it should just be search
2014-07-31 09:17 <LiruCookies> 	tmp = response["search"].asString();
2014-07-31 09:17 <LiruCookies>  	if (!tmp.empty()) gHippoGridManager->getConnectedGrid()->setSearchUrl(tmp);
2014-07-31 09:19 <LiruCookies> But I have destination guide picked up on as well
2014-07-31 09:19 <LiruCookies> The patch is massive, I can copy the wip version of itfrom gitk, if you want...
2014-07-31 09:20 <LiruCookies> But at the moment it's not even committed, just staged.
2014-07-31 09:20 <lkalif> just logging in to osgrid should give you the login respone part of search
2014-07-31 09:20 <lkalif> as for SimulatorFeatures
2014-07-31 09:20 <lkalif> I don't think that's hooked up in opensim either
2014-07-31 09:21 <LiruCookies> Nope
2014-07-31 09:21 <LiruCookies> It's empty
2014-07-31 09:21 <LiruCookies> My debugger says so
2014-07-31 09:21 <lkalif> yeah grid proxy says so too
2014-07-31 09:22 <LiruCookies> Good, because it said on kitely that it is in fact hooked in
2014-07-31 09:22 <LiruCookies> But then I couldn't connect because I took too long debugging
2014-07-31 09:23 <LiruCookies> Ack
2014-07-31 09:23 <osmantis> Bug #7287:04 Taking items via Hypergrid Travel from OSCC14 Grid - CreatorId Issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7287 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-07-31 09:24 <LiruCookies> graphics crashed
2014-07-31 09:25 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-31 09:26 <lkalif> destination guide login request / response is active on conference grid
2014-07-31 09:26 <lkalif> http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002/
2014-07-31 09:26 <lkalif> destination_guide_url
2014-07-31 09:30 <LiruCookies> gSavedSettings.setString("ShowcaseURLDefault", response["destination_guide_url"].asString());
2014-07-31 09:30 <LiruCookies> Look over that line, tell me if it appears wrong with its strings
2014-07-31 09:31 <LiruCookies> I copy pasted, but maybe I broke something somewhere.
2014-07-31 09:33 <LiruCookies> (yes it intentionally sets it empty if it's not set)
2014-07-31 09:39 <lkalif> is ShowcaseURLDefault set to permanent as false?
2014-07-31 09:39 <lkalif> setting
2014-07-31 09:39 <LiruCookies> lkalif: I set it to false, yes.
2014-07-31 09:39 <LiruCookies> persist = 0
2014-07-31 09:39 <lkalif> then you can just override it in sim features too
2014-07-31 09:40 <lkalif> that part was added yesterday, I guess I have to compile a new version of opensim
2014-07-31 09:40 <lkalif> which is a major pita
2014-07-31 09:43 <LiruCookies> lkalif: That's what I did, I'm having it update from sim features callbck too.
2014-07-31 09:48 <lkalif> LiruCookies: if you teleport to "Liru" on osgrid, it should override search-server-url via SimFeatures to google
2014-07-31 09:51 <LiruCookies> thankies
2014-07-31 09:59 <lkalif> right now the viewer doesn't show web search tab at all
2014-07-31 10:00 <LiruCookies> lkalif: it isn't even loaded in the xml that's used
2014-07-31 10:03 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Google!
2014-07-31 10:03 <lkalif> nice :)
2014-07-31 10:12 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Except we can't have google there, because it doesn't like the things we add on.
2014-07-31 10:12 <LiruCookies> The requested URL /panel=find_all_panel&lang=en-us&mat=1&t=n&region=Liru&x=128&y=128&z=29&session=edadc356-40a4-4a30-945e-619d5c424857&dice=y was not found on this server. That’s all we know.
2014-07-31 10:14 <lkalif> yeah, but the override works
2014-07-31 10:14 <LiruCookies> Yupyup
2014-07-31 11:01 <BlueWall_AFK> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=viewblob&p=opensim&h=6a62cfc279fa8fc303b8c6ef1a17a8671d7f7ce0&f=OpenSim/Server/Handlers/Grid/GridExtraFeaturesHandlers.cs
2014-07-31 11:03 <lkalif> BlueWall_AFK: controlling region override is a bit futile, isn't it
2014-07-31 11:04 <BlueWall_AFK> I guess not as long as people play by the rules
2014-07-31 11:04 <lkalif> heh
2014-07-31 11:04 <BlueWall> but yeah, lots of ways to defeat it.
2014-07-31 11:08 <BlueWall> the destination guide use "-" to match what is foud in https://github.com/singularity-viewer/SingularityViewer/blob/master/indra/newview/lfsimfeaturehandler.cpp
2014-07-31 11:09 <BlueWall> "destination-guide-url"
2014-07-31 11:09 <lkalif> LiruCookies is working on trhat right now
2014-07-31 11:11 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Does your opensim have somethig I could test that on, right now it's in the search tab of mine, I haven't implemented the floater yet.
2014-07-31 11:12 <lkalif> LiruCookies: destination guide?
2014-07-31 11:12 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Yepyep
2014-07-31 11:12 <LiruCookies> My code has been prepped there since it was mentioned 
2014-07-31 11:12 <lkalif> I don't have the version that can override it via sim features yet
2014-07-31 11:13 <lkalif> BlueWall: with your commit, can I do that?
2014-07-31 11:13 <BlueWall> yes
2014-07-31 11:13 <lkalif> LiruCookies: logging into conference grid should set the login one
2014-07-31 11:13 <LiruCookies> lkalif: It didn't, I showed you the line after it didn't.
2014-07-31 11:14 <BlueWall> Lbsa Plaza sets the search and map
2014-07-31 11:15 <lkalif> BlueWall: in [SimulatorFeatures] of OpenSim.ini?
2014-07-31 11:15 <BlueWall> lkalif, it is in Robust.ini
2014-07-31 11:16 <lkalif> I have a feelng we're not understanding each other
2014-07-31 11:16 <lkalif> I'm asking about region override
2014-07-31 11:16 <BlueWall> hang on a sec
2014-07-31 11:17 <BlueWall> Yep - In the sim features module, there is a note that says we want to push out the settings to their respective modules ...
2014-07-31 11:17 <lkalif> Right now there is [SimulatorFeatures] part of OpenSim ini that allows regions to override those settings
2014-07-31 11:17 <lkalif> SearchServerURI =
2014-07-31 11:17 <lkalif> MapTileURL =
2014-07-31 11:18 <BlueWall> so we have the various modules watch an event
2014-07-31 11:18 <BlueWall> There is no module, really, for the destination guide
2014-07-31 11:18 <lkalif> Can I put DestinationGuideURL = setting there
2014-07-31 11:18 <BlueWall> It doesn't have code in there to handle it.
2014-07-31 11:19 <lkalif> well it should, as the other settings are supported there
2014-07-31 11:19 <lkalif> for symetry sake if nothing else
2014-07-31 11:19 <BlueWall> map-server-url is in the map module
2014-07-31 11:19 <lkalif> SearchServerURI?
2014-07-31 11:19 <BlueWall> the cahat settings are in the chat module, etc.
2014-07-31 11:20 <BlueWall> that is the only one, because ATM search is usually an extra module
2014-07-31 11:20 <lkalif> well destination guide is just a web page
2014-07-31 11:20 <lkalif> there won't be a module for it
2014-07-31 11:20 <BlueWall> yes
2014-07-31 11:20 <LiruCookies> There's hardly code for it in the viewer
2014-07-31 11:20 <LiruCookies> X3
2014-07-31 11:21 <lkalif> LiruCookies: you are adding it
2014-07-31 11:21 <LiruCookies> I was referring to the viewer 3
2014-07-31 11:21 <lkalif> it's just a simple floater
2014-07-31 11:21 <BlueWall> I'll add it to the sim features for now too.
2014-07-31 11:21 <lkalif> with web component
2014-07-31 11:22 <lkalif> LiruCookies: i saw floater_detstinations.xml in skins
2014-07-31 11:22 <LiruCookies> It doesn't define URL in skins, even X3 or in its cpp code
2014-07-31 11:22 <LiruCookies> cpp file*
2014-07-31 11:23 <lkalif> it's in settings.xml
2014-07-31 11:24 <lkalif> points to http://lecs-viewer-web-components.s3.amazonaws.com/v3.0/agni/guide.html
2014-07-31 11:24 <LiruCookies> No, it's actually in llappviewer
2014-07-31 11:24 <LiruCookies> That's where it's hooked together
2014-07-31 11:24 <lkalif> except agni is [grid_name_lowercase or some scuh]
2014-07-31 11:24 <LiruCookies> Which is stupid
2014-07-31 11:24 <lkalif> LiruCookies: don't user their stuff 
2014-07-31 11:25 <lkalif> make it a regular floater
2014-07-31 11:25 <LiruCookies> Yeah, I won't... well, I might use it as a base so that we have compatibility with upstream.
2014-07-31 11:25 <LiruCookies> upstream, meaning other viewers
2014-07-31 11:25 <LiruCookies> So they can easily port
2014-07-31 11:25 <lkalif> they have this floater registry 
2014-07-31 11:25 <lkalif> in v3
2014-07-31 11:25 <lkalif> we don't
2014-07-31 11:25 <LiruCookies> We have a registry too
2014-07-31 11:25 <LiruCookies> llmenucommands has a registry
2014-07-31 11:26 <lkalif> it will have to be hooked up differently for v3
2014-07-31 11:26 <lkalif> so fuck them :P
2014-07-31 11:28 <lkalif> LiruCookies: hmm, the conference grid should be givving you this http://cc.opensimulator.org/guide.html
2014-07-31 11:29 <lkalif> but you have to ask for it in in llstartup
2014-07-31 11:29 <lkalif> requested_options.push_back("destination_guide_url");
2014-07-31 11:29 <LiruCookies> Okay.
2014-07-31 11:29 <lkalif> so login response will have destination_guide_url
2014-07-31 11:29 <BlueWall> what is destination_guide_url though?
2014-07-31 11:30 <lkalif> login response
2014-07-31 11:30 <BlueWall> all the parameters use "-", right?
2014-07-31 11:30 <lkalif> no
2014-07-31 11:30 <lkalif> it¨'s inconsistent
2014-07-31 11:30 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Do we also need to ask for search?
2014-07-31 11:30 <lkalif> destination_guide_url in login response, destination-guide-url in simfeatures
2014-07-31 11:32 <BlueWall> extrasMap["search-server-url"] = m_SearchURL; extrasMap["destination-guide-url"] = m_DestinationGuideURL; , etc.
2014-07-31 11:32 <lkalif> LiruCookies: yes, it's just "search"
2014-07-31 11:33 <LiruCookies> I'm aware, but it wasn't in our requested options
2014-07-31 11:33 <lkalif> BlueWall: see LLLoginResponse.cs
2014-07-31 11:33 <lkalif>                 if (DestinationsURL != String.Empty)
2014-07-31 11:33 <lkalif>                     responseData["destination_guide_url"] = DestinationsURL;
2014-07-31 11:33 <lkalif> but it doesn't matter
2014-07-31 11:34 <lkalif> those are completely inconsistent anyway
2014-07-31 11:34 <BlueWall> ok, 1 sec
2014-07-31 11:36 <BlueWall> hmm
2014-07-31 11:36 <LiruCookies> Err, not appviewer, it's viewerwindow, that's the stupid place they shoved it in v3
2014-07-31 11:37 <lkalif> LiruCookies: told ya, don't use their code for this
2014-07-31 11:37 <lkalif> it's messed up, and there is very little of it anyway
2014-07-31 11:38 <BlueWall> ok, I should probably make those in the login response match?
2014-07-31 11:39 <lkalif> no
2014-07-31 11:39 <lkalif> BlueWall: other viewers like firestorm already use it
2014-07-31 11:39 <lkalif> and it works with them
2014-07-31 11:39 <lkalif> and people have written guides how to configure it
2014-07-31 11:39 <lkalif> http://blog.inf.ed.ac.uk/atate/2014/07/17/enabling-the-viewer-destination-guide-for-opensim-grids/
2014-07-31 11:40 <lkalif> BlueWall: just let it be inconsistent, we'll survive
2014-07-31 11:40 <BlueWall> ok, in the viewer - the extras need to match those?
2014-07-31 11:41 <lkalif> not neccesarily
2014-07-31 11:41 <lkalif> you can leave it at "destination_guide_url" in login response and "destination-guide-url" in SimFeatures
2014-07-31 11:42 <BlueWall> ok
2014-07-31 12:05 <LiruCookies> Yep, hooked up
2014-07-31 12:08 <lkalif> LiruCookies: did you use non-peristent setting for this as well?
2014-07-31 12:08 <LiruCookies> For what? Where?
2014-07-31 12:08 <LiruCookies> Destination guide?
2014-07-31 12:08 <lkalif> yes, the url
2014-07-31 12:09 <LiruCookies> Mhm
2014-07-31 12:09 <lkalif> nice :)
2014-07-31 12:09 <LiruCookies> That reminds me, I should just pick one url.
2014-07-31 12:10 <LiruCookies> err
2014-07-31 12:10 <LiruCookies> setting
2014-07-31 12:11 <lkalif> Upstrezam calls it DestinationGuideURL
2014-07-31 12:11 <LiruCookies> Yep
2014-07-31 12:13 <LiruCookies> LL should be happy when http://secondlife.com/app/showcase/index.php? stops getting used.
2014-07-31 12:14 <LiruCookies> (it's a redirect)
2014-07-31 12:16 <LiruCookies> Just to be safe, I'm adding a ? to the end of the url there
2014-07-31 12:17 <LiruCookies> I suggest opensim do this as well when adding stuffs... because we do some autoreplace there.
2014-07-31 12:17 <LiruCookies> I could pull it out, I guess..
2014-07-31 12:17 <LiruCookies> Err
2014-07-31 12:17 <LiruCookies> not autoreplace
2014-07-31 12:17 <LiruCookies> postpending
2014-07-31 12:19 <lkalif> for destination guide? 
2014-07-31 12:19 <LiruCookies> Yeah, but I'll add the block not to do that
2014-07-31 12:19 <LiruCookies> For the showcase panel, that'd be
2014-07-31 12:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #3737 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-31 12:20 <LiruCookies> oh huh, I'm saying something I already did
2014-07-31 12:20 <LiruCookies> Oblivious to self Liru...
2014-07-31 12:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3737: SUCCESS in 8 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3737/
2014-07-31 12:23 <osjenkins> bluewall: Add region-side extra feature setting for destination guide
2014-07-31 12:31 <NickyP> A bit of paranoia; I noticed that FS default login page to SL appears to redirect to the SL destinations guide. So every grid will be able interject its own http bits. Is that a security concern? 
2014-07-31 12:33 <LiruCookies> Grids already have their own way of directing to destination guide
2014-07-31 12:33 <LiruCookies> But FS does a nasty thing, they replace the login page with their own
2014-07-31 12:33 <LiruCookies> Grids are supposed to have their own login page.
2014-07-31 12:34 <LiruCookies> In Singularity, we have a super thin wrapper.
2014-07-31 12:34 <NickyP> Yes but I think the links are directed to grid business
2014-07-31 12:34 <LiruCookies> Hm?
2014-07-31 12:35 <NickyP> on osgrid the links are main to navigate to regions at login
2014-07-31 12:35 <lkalif> LiruCookies: I think they only override login for SL
2014-07-31 12:35 <LiruCookies> lkalif: I know they didn't always because Melanie_T mentioned it as a peeve at one point.
2014-07-31 12:36 <lkalif> they leave it alone for other grids now it seems
2014-07-31 12:36 <LiruCookies> Good!
2014-07-31 13:00 <lkalif> LiruCookies: there is destination-guide-url override in simfeatures on those 4 osgrid regions
2014-07-31 13:01 <lkalif> Perun, Liru....
2014-07-31 13:01 <LiruCookies> Cool, I'm busy poking at some experimental code that scares me
2014-07-31 13:01 <LiruCookies> I'm going to comment it out for now
2014-07-31 13:01 <LiruCookies> So it can't scare me
2014-07-31 13:01 <lkalif> had to reboot the sims
2014-07-31 13:02 <LiruCookies> See, I realized yesterday night that portability mode was incomplete
2014-07-31 13:03 <LiruCookies> It doesn't clean up %APPDATA%\SecondLife\logs and %APPDATA%\SecondLife if they're empty.
2014-07-31 13:03 <LiruCookies> But it's scary for me, because if I did something wrong in the code, my stuff will be cleared out.
2014-07-31 13:21 <osmantis> Bug #7288:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Check on name, Description and UUID/Avatar Field varchar lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7288 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-07-31 13:24 <smxy> I still think letting the region set, rather than simply pass, the destination guide url is wrong. It's a grid-level url. My intent on having the region push it was that the mechanism was there already for the region to say "hey, this is this grid's DG URL", not "hey, this is my DG URL, you don't get to see what the rest of the grid has to offer".
2014-07-31 13:37 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-31 13:39 <lkalif> smxy: you can do it both ways now
2014-07-31 13:48 <osmantis> Bug #7288:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Check on name, Description and UUID/Avatar Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7288 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-07-31 14:09 <LiruCookies> lkalif: See opensim local chat
2014-07-31 14:15 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-31 14:20 <osmantis> Bug #7288:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Check on name, Description and UUID/Avatar Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7288 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-31 15:11 <osmantis> Bug #7288:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Check on name, Description and UUID/Avatar Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7288 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-31 15:13 <osmantis> Bug #7288:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Check on name, Description and UUID/Avatar Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7288 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-31 18:13 <justincc> hey BlueWall
2014-07-31 18:24 <Plugh> nebadon: ping
2014-07-31 18:25 <Plugh> hm... interesting. A var region gets listed multiple times when doing a map search in Singularity.
2014-07-31 18:25 <lkalif> Plugh: how old is the sim you're running?
2014-07-31 18:25 <Plugh> Latest 0.8
2014-07-31 18:26 <lkalif> release? I think diva changed that in master a month ago or so
2014-07-31 18:27 <Plugh> 0.8-post-fixes
2014-07-31 18:30 <jakdaniels> and she also fixed the map of a varregion being show as multiple 256x256m blocks, each with a region name title
2014-07-31 18:31 <justincc> I hope to port a bunch of low-risk fixes from master to 0.8-post-fixes tomorrow, which should include those
2014-07-31 18:32 <lkalif> or start preparing for 0.8.1 ;)
2014-07-31 18:32 <Plugh> justincc: ok.
2014-07-31 18:32 <justincc> 0.8.1 will very likely be post-conference
2014-07-31 18:32 <Plugh> I had to push allowed packet size to 256Meg to handle the terrain for an 8x8 var
2014-07-31 18:33 <justincc> terrain storage could definitely be optimized
2014-07-31 18:33 <Plugh> I had allowed packet at 128Meg and it wasn't enough I was hearing. Terrain was coming up spiky.
2014-07-31 18:35 <justincc> lkalif: do you know what the AllowPublish flag does for groups?
2014-07-31 18:38 <nebadon> hey Plugh
2014-07-31 18:39 <lkalif> justincc: on profiles it was used if it should be shown on the web without loggin in. I imagine group to have the same meaning
2014-07-31 18:40 <justincc> ok, thanks
2014-07-31 18:48 <Plugh> nebadon: Follow up to yesterday. Today I'm being told that 128Meg was not enough to prevent spiky terrain with an 8x8 var.
2014-07-31 18:49 <nebadon> ok suprising its that much data 
2014-07-31 18:50 <Plugh> I'll dig in to the database in a while and find out how big the blob is for the terrain of the var.
2014-07-31 18:56 <nebadon> ya its very odd its that much data
2014-07-31 18:56 <nebadon> if i were to make terrain with collada files
2014-07-31 18:57 <nebadon> that is roughly the same equivalent, maybe even higher than the LL terrain
2014-07-31 18:57 <nebadon> the .dae files for 2304x2304 area of land is only about 75mb
2014-07-31 18:57 <nebadon> LL terrain sucks, its abolutely terrible design
2014-07-31 19:01 <Dev_Random> Var terrain is all shorts now isn't it?  one short per m2?
2014-07-31 19:02 <lkalif> but who knows how it's stored in the db
2014-07-31 19:02 <lkalif> could be text for all I know ;)
2014-07-31 19:02 <Dev_Random> that's what I meant... shorts in the Db.
2014-07-31 19:03 <LiruCookies> Nini, opensim.
2014-07-31 19:04 <justincc> no it's not shorts, that was delayed at the last minute to avoid the terrain heigh issues you brought up (afair)
2014-07-31 19:04 <Plugh> lkalif: IIRC, it is just two bytes stating land height for each 4mx4m section of the land.
2014-07-31 19:04 <justincc> and to continuie incoporating negative terrain
2014-07-31 19:04 <Plugh> oh, right. it changed recently.
2014-07-31 19:04 <Plugh> justincc, how many bytes per 4mx4m parcel now?
2014-07-31 19:05 <justincc> I think it has to be compressed in some way and not just a simple field of values now
2014-07-31 19:05 <justincc> I can't remember, there were some opensim-dev mailing list posts 3 months or so ago about this
2014-07-31 19:05 <Plugh> yeah. I don't remember the details.
2014-07-31 19:15 <Plugh> I haven't dug in to region data for a while. I have the region UUID. Which table has the terrain data?
2014-07-31 19:17 <justincc> terrain
2014-07-31 19:20 <Plugh> yea, its ok. I forgot the region data was in a different place than where I was looking.
2014-07-31 19:24 <Plugh> Hm... the terrain blob is only 2,097,168 bytes in size.
2014-07-31 19:29 <Plugh> I need to find the error messages in the instance log file. I may have been given the wrong information. Some other packet involved in land data may have exceeded allowed limits.
2014-07-31 19:38 <nebadon> well even on a 256m region you need it to be 16m
2014-07-31 19:39 <nebadon> though its probably less than 16, 16 just seemed to be the safest # to use
2014-07-31 19:39 <nebadon> i never actually calculated how much it actually needs
2014-07-31 20:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #3738 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-31 20:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3738: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3738/
2014-07-31 20:25 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Don't overwrite the null result with the true result is groups service REMOVEAGENTFROMGROUP call has failed because of missing parameters
2014-07-31 20:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #3739 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-07-31 20:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3739: SUCCESS in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3739/
2014-07-31 20:38 <osjenkins> jjustincc: If REMOVEAGENTFROMGROUP core groups call fails because requesting agent does not have sufficient permission, return null failure result rather than true.
2014-07-31 21:54 <osmantis> Bug #6656:04 Uniformity of handling local and hypergrid teleportable links in Chat/IM and incorrect FROM grid addresses on HG TP 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6656 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-07-31 22:18 <Plugh> nebadon: Looking at the terrain data for standard regions it is 512k each.
2014-07-31 22:26 <nebadon> ya so why the gigantic packets
2014-07-31 22:26 <nebadon> that is wierd
2014-07-31 22:27 <BlueWall> hey justincc - i'm afk/phone atm
2014-07-31 22:27 -!- Aramis^(~someone@c-71-57-139-42.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has left #opensim-dev
2014-07-31 22:30 <justinccAfk> BlueWall: ok no worries, would like to chat when you have time.  I'm going to be busy myself now for a good couple of hours
2014-07-31 22:30 <Plugh> um... how do we get debug mode for instances when running under Windows?
2014-07-31 22:30 <Plugh> nebadon, yea it is strange.
2014-07-31 22:31 <BlueWall> ok - i've been away most of the day and will be out for a couple of more hours
2014-07-31 22:37 <Plugh> 
ACTION sighs

2014-07-31 22:38 <Plugh> I can never copy/paste from the Remmina based RDP session.
2014-07-31 23:40 <dahlia> Plugh: best way to debug from windows is to start opensim from inside visual studio
2014-07-31 23:40 <dahlia> it's quite a nice debugger
2014-07-31 23:41 <dahlia> although opensim doesnt like being stopped at a breakpoint for long
2014-08-01 00:02 <Plugh> ok. Don't have VS on any of the Windows servers running instances.
2014-08-01 17:17 <osmantis> Bug #6656:04 Uniformity of handling local and hypergrid teleportable links in Chat/IM and incorrect FROM grid addresses on HG TP 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6656 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-01 18:43 <LuciusSir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56R3hU-fWZY
2014-08-01 18:43 <LuciusSir> lulz
2014-08-01 19:02 <Plugh> nebadon: ping
2014-08-01 19:05 <Plugh> Who has been using Warp3D for generating map tiles? What have you noticed regarding memory usage vs. the standard map tile generator?
2014-08-01 19:08 <Plugh> Memory usage is down a bit since restarting the reigon. CPU usage is a lot higher but that may be while its generating the map tile. It went from 0.1% to around 10%.
2014-08-01 19:08 <Plugh> Ah. Its settling down to around 0.5% now
2014-08-01 19:09 <Plugh> It's now back to its pre-Warp3D CPU usage.
2014-08-01 19:11 <Plugh> Afternoon, justincc
2014-08-01 19:12 <justincc> Hi Plugh
2014-08-01 19:24 <Plugh> Warp3D tiles really do look a whole lot better even if it occasionally(?) gets the wrong colour for a prim.
2014-08-01 19:24 <justincc> you see the vertical lines on the maptiles?
2014-08-01 19:26 <Plugh> I don't see that white vertical line that used to appear down the right hand side of the map tiles generated by Warp3D.
2014-08-01 19:26 <justincc> ok, maybe it got fixed
2014-08-01 19:27 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-08-01 19:27 <Plugh> I have set a few regions to Warp3D map tiles so I can check memory/CPU usage.
2014-08-01 19:29 <Plugh> Interesting. RAM was 1069MB before restarting the region. After a restart RAM on the stock map tile generator usage was around 1G or a bit under after the region settled down. Now with Warp3D it is at 955MB. CPU is still a lot higher at 0.5% vs. 0% to 0.1% but it may still be settling in.
2014-08-01 19:30 <justincc> if you execute the "generate maptile" command a coupel of times then your memory should start to leak
2014-08-01 19:31 <Plugh> I'll try that later. I'm waiting to see how w3d is affecting CPU usage for the region.
2014-08-01 19:31 <Plugh> Its been up 10 minutes and CPU is still around 0.5%
2014-08-01 19:32 <Plugh> I don't think it took that long to settle back to near 0.1% or less when using the standard map tile generator.
2014-08-01 19:32 <Plugh> RAM usage has gone up by 5MB.
2014-08-01 19:33 <Plugh> Almost 960MB now.
2014-08-01 19:33 <nebadon> Plugh : pong
2014-08-01 19:33 <nebadon> with Warp3D if your cache is cleared it will take longer to start and use more memory
2014-08-01 19:33 <nebadon> a restart usually clears that up
2014-08-01 19:33 <nebadon> you could also try a "force gc" on the console
2014-08-01 19:33 <nebadon> this frees up a lot of memory usually
2014-08-01 19:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #3740 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-01 19:34 <Plugh> I cleared my CPU cache. I didn't clear cache of the instance.
2014-08-01 19:35 <Plugh> It didn't take long for the w3d generated map tile to appear.
2014-08-01 19:36 <Plugh> Oh. The increase in CPU usage was due to my avatar being in the region.
2014-08-01 19:36 <nebadon> justincc i have server ready for you whenever you are ready
2014-08-01 19:36 <Plugh> It's back to 0% now that there is no one in the region.
2014-08-01 19:37 <nebadon> shouldnt see a huge increase from just 1 avatar
2014-08-01 19:37 <Plugh> RAM went down to 958.6MB
2014-08-01 19:37 <justincc> thanks.  Can you give me login details?  I probably won't get to doing anything today but much more likely MOnday.  Or it can wait till monday
2014-08-01 19:37 <nebadon> sure
2014-08-01 19:37 <nebadon> i'll skype it
2014-08-01 19:37 <nebadon> oh your not on skype though
2014-08-01 19:38 <Plugh> nebadon: CPU went from a peak of 0.1% to mostly 0.5% (or a touch less at times) with 1 avatar in the region.
2014-08-01 19:38 <justincc> am now
2014-08-01 19:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3740: SUCCESS in 8 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3740/
2014-08-01 19:38 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix regression in SimulatorFeatures module that would stop OpenSimulator from starting if no [SimulatorFeatures] section was present in config.
2014-08-01 19:39 <Plugh> I'll let the region run for a while and see how its memory/cpu numbers change.
2014-08-01 19:39 <Plugh> bbl
2014-08-01 19:42 <Plugh> justincc: Some memory leaks were fixed in Warp3D as of 0.8 but no idea if all of them are believed to be fixed. It shouldn't leak as badly as it did before.
2014-08-01 19:43 <justincc> I know they aren't. I've seen the warp3d.dll code and there are numerous places where it will leak
2014-08-01 19:43 <Plugh> Hm... good. Memory usage went back to around pre-avatar visit level. It must have done a gc.
2014-08-01 19:44 <Plugh> justincc: If you have any notes on where that happens I could have a look at fixing them if it won't require a deeper knowledge of Warp3D or C#.
2014-08-01 19:45 <justincc> I don't have notes, you will have to look at the code
2014-08-01 19:45 <justincc> any graphics obejct that implements IDiposable must be disposed
2014-08-01 19:45 <justincc> well, really any object that implements IDisposable should be disposed
2014-08-01 19:45 <Plugh> I did have a bit of a look. Its a lot of code. 
2014-08-01 19:45 <justincc> yes, that's why I haven't fiex it yet
2014-08-01 19:45 <justincc> it's not simple because of the spaghetti-ness
2014-08-01 19:45 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-08-01 19:46 <justincc> that said, I think aurora may have fixed it, so you mitght want to try looking there if you can find their libs
2014-08-01 19:46 <Plugh> I might poke around a bit at some point. I am still in the final stages of the move to Linux Mint 17. Have some docs to write about the update process I went through.
2014-08-01 19:47 <Plugh> justincc: ok, sounds like a plan.
2014-08-01 19:48 <Plugh> If some memory leaks have been fixed in Warp3D I can check its history and that might also provide some clues as to what I need to look for when poking around.
2014-08-01 19:49 <Plugh> bbl. I'm going out for a while.
2014-08-01 19:58 <nebadon> the only time it should or could leak memory
2014-08-01 19:58 <nebadon> is if you have it set to keep regenerating tiles on a timer
2014-08-01 19:58 <nebadon> make sure you update Grid.ini Plugh
2014-08-01 19:58 <nebadon> if you are using a old Grid.ini it may still leak memory
2014-08-01 19:59 <nebadon> someone was over-riding the timer in Grid.ini
2014-08-01 19:59 <nebadon> took me forever to figure that out then fix in core
2014-08-01 20:00 <nebadon> even if Warp3D didnt leak memory on a timer
2014-08-01 20:00 <nebadon> it would definitely cause big CPU spilkes
2014-08-01 20:00 <nebadon> and if this happens while CPU has a heavy load, it could make for a bad experience
2014-08-01 20:00 <nebadon> LL does not have the simulators generate map tiles for this exact reason
2014-08-01 20:01 <nebadon> its a waste of resources, honestly it would be way more efficient to remove map tile genreation completely from the simulator, but thats not so easy
2014-08-01 20:01 <nebadon> LL use a modified viewer to crawl the grid generating tiles
2014-08-01 20:02 <dahlia> it should be removed. its rediculous to do intense processing like that in the same preocess as the simulator
2014-08-01 20:03 <dahlia> let a timer dump what it needs to a file and then fire up a separate process
2014-08-01 20:03 <nebadon> right
2014-08-01 20:03 <dahlia> opensim is not the linux kernel and shouldnt be expected to work like it
2014-08-01 20:03 <dahlia> maybe if it had a MMU it might make sense to do that but it doesnt
2014-08-01 20:19 <AliciaRaven2> justinccAfk, white lines on map are not fixed, they only show up with certain region sizes
2014-08-01 20:34 <Plugh> nebadon: I'm testing on a grid recently updated to 0.8 so all the ini files are up to date.
2014-08-01 20:35 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-01 20:35 <nebadon> it shouldnt really leak memory then
2014-08-01 20:35 <Plugh> I've often thought it would make more sense to have something else generate the map tiles instead of doing it in the instance.
2014-08-01 20:35 <nebadon> the reason it uses more memory when cache is cleared is because it has to fetch all the assets before it can render anything
2014-08-01 20:35 <Plugh> nebadon: I do have it on a 1 hour timer.
2014-08-01 20:36 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-01 20:36 <nebadon> i would recommend against that
2014-08-01 20:36 <Plugh> yea, I saw your earlier comments.
2014-08-01 20:36 <nebadon> it might be nice to have a console command to trigger a map tile generation
2014-08-01 20:36 <Plugh> How do you generate map tiles? Using a command?
2014-08-01 20:37 <nebadon> this way if you really needed an update but didnt want to restart you could
2014-08-01 20:37 <Plugh> justin said you can issue "generate maptile".
2014-08-01 20:37 <nebadon> oh
2014-08-01 20:37 <nebadon> well there ya go
2014-08-01 20:37 <Plugh> yup. :)
2014-08-01 20:37 <nebadon> i generally only do it when region starts
2014-08-01 20:37 <Plugh> I thought map tile generation is automatic when a region starts.
2014-08-01 20:37 <nebadon> it shouldnt need to be done every hour
2014-08-01 20:37 <nebadon> thats just crazy
2014-08-01 20:37 <nebadon> it is
2014-08-01 20:37 <Plugh> btw, if I disappear suddenly it will be due to the thunderstorm in the area.
2014-08-01 20:37 <nebadon> if you set timer to 0 it only generates on region start
2014-08-01 20:38 <nebadon> kk
2014-08-01 20:38 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-08-01 20:38 <Plugh> yeah. The regions are often being restarted in the morning so I will disable the map tile generation time.
2014-08-01 20:38 <Plugh> s/time/timer/
2014-08-01 20:38 <nebadon> ya
2014-08-01 20:38 <nebadon> that should solve your memory issues for sure
2014-08-01 20:44 <Plugh> The regions I'm testing with are grid owned so they aren't changing on a regular basis.
2014-08-01 20:55 <dahlia> would be cool to strip out warp3d and have it generate from an oar file
2014-08-01 20:56 <dahlia> that way you could get a free backup when you make the maptile :)
2014-08-01 20:59 <Plugh> That would be one way of doing it.
2014-08-01 21:00 <dahlia> or do a oar sans assets and let it grab them from flotsam cache
2014-08-01 21:00 <Plugh> I'm shutting the computer down until after this storm passes. I'll be using my tablet to document my Mint update information.
2014-08-01 21:00 <dahlia> bb, gl :)
2014-08-01 21:00 <Plugh> thanks. 
2014-08-01 21:00 <Plugh> Now that is another interesting idea.
2014-08-01 21:01 <dahlia> just have to make sure they are in flotsam first
2014-08-01 21:01 <Plugh> Might be something to be discussed on the mailing list to generate ideas and come up with an approach.
2014-08-01 21:01 <Plugh> yeah. 
2014-08-01 21:01 <Plugh> ttyl
2014-08-01 23:35 <Plugh> 
ACTION thinks its safe to turn on the computer again.

2014-08-01 23:35 <Plugh> The heavy rain and thunderstorms came and went four times
2014-08-01 23:43 <justinccAfk> ok standby, I'm going to push a whole bunch of cherry picked fixes to 0.8-post-fixes
2014-08-01 23:44 <justincc> or I would have without a bunch of unexpected merge conflicts
2014-08-02 00:11 <nebadon_> nice
2014-08-02 00:11 <nebadon_> justincc got a cheapo network card for that other machine
2014-08-02 00:11 <nebadon_> dang guess i should wait for this to stop heh
2014-08-02 00:12 <justincc> nebadon_: shoujldn't be long now
2014-08-02 00:12 <nebadon> k
2014-08-02 00:15 <nebadon> dang that is a lot of backport heh
2014-08-02 00:15 <nebadon> good stuff though, means we are busy :)
2014-08-02 00:15 <justincc> this is why I shouldb't listen to ppl asking me to do it...
2014-08-02 00:15 <nebadon> haha
2014-08-02 00:15 <nebadon> now I need to convince diva to make a new Diva Distro release
2014-08-02 00:16 <justincc> I would wait a while, see if this is stable
2014-08-02 00:16 <nebadon> ya true
2014-08-02 00:16 <justincc> it wil incorporate that attachments fix from oren, as well as various other fixes taht I subjectively deem safe
2014-08-02 00:16 <nebadon> master git is great at the moment
2014-08-02 00:16 <justincc> like the bulletsim one
2014-08-02 00:16 <justincc> ones
2014-08-02 00:16 <nebadon> ya
2014-08-02 00:17 <nebadon> that alone is reason enough for diva to roll a new release
2014-08-02 00:17 <nebadon> the attachment fix
2014-08-02 00:17 <nebadon> she wont be able to for a while anyway
2014-08-02 00:17 <nebadon> shes stil in Europe
2014-08-02 00:18 <justincc> ph yeah, and the var map fix and the var child agents fixes
2014-08-02 00:18 <justincc> oh 
2014-08-02 00:18 <justincc> and those ones from alicia about low level flying
2014-08-02 00:19 <justincc> perhaps there was more than I thought
2014-08-02 00:19 <nebadon> heh
2014-08-02 00:19 <nebadon> i was just thinking the same thing
2014-08-02 00:19 <nebadon> lol
2014-08-02 00:19 <justincc> 
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2014-08-02 00:19 <justincc> alright, that's it
2014-08-02 00:19 <nebadon> hah
2014-08-02 00:20 <nebadon> ya so I got a cheapo usb network card for the other machine
2014-08-02 00:20 <justincc> what's a usb network card?
2014-08-02 00:20 <nebadon> a USB wifi adapter
2014-08-02 00:20 <nebadon> looks like a thumb drive
2014-08-02 00:20 <justincc> ok
2014-08-02 00:20 <nebadon> 300mbs dual band
2014-08-02 00:21 <nebadon> the network is really stable on 5ghz channels
2014-08-02 00:21 <nebadon> so if needed we have another 4 core machine, its a Core2Quad 2.83ghz Q9550 with 8gb ram
2014-08-02 00:22 <nebadon> technically i could fire up another linux work station on a i5 quad core with 16gb ram too
2014-08-02 00:22 <nebadon> so just let me know what you need
2014-08-02 00:23 <justincc> ok cool.  I think I'll try with the existing machine first, managing lots of pCampbots is awkward and I'd liek to get away with fewer instances if pos
2014-08-02 00:24 <nebadon> ya
2014-08-02 00:24 <nebadon> well i can help with that too
2014-08-02 00:24 <justincc> true
2014-08-02 00:24 <justincc> I n
2014-08-02 00:24 <justincc> really need to find out why it's crashing.  But too tired until monday
2014-08-02 00:24 <justincc> that will have to be waht I spend a good bit of mon doing though
2014-08-02 00:24 <nebadon> ya
2014-08-02 00:24 <justincc> otherwise can't make much progress
2014-08-02 00:24 <nebadon> even if we dont figure it out completey this week
2014-08-02 00:24 <nebadon> we can still test the new rig
2014-08-02 00:25 <nebadon> im certain my network will probably do a bit better than yours will, being closer and all
2014-08-02 00:25 <justincc> in the vent I can't get there, might be worth thiniking about testing a var region?
2014-08-02 00:25 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-08-02 00:25 <nebadon> ok ya the var is ready to go too
2014-08-02 00:25 <justincc> I suspect it's mainly cpu - my 6 core gets maxed out right now
2014-08-02 00:25 <nebadon> i have Universal Campus v1.5 loaded there
2014-08-02 00:25 <justincc> or near maxed out, 90%
2014-08-02 00:26 <justincc> on all 6 cores
2014-08-02 00:26 <nebadon> thats really surprising
2014-08-02 00:26 <nebadon> its a i7?
2014-08-02 00:26 <nebadon> or a AMD?
2014-08-02 00:26 <justincc> no, AMD FX-6300
2014-08-02 00:26 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-02 00:26 <nebadon> let me see how that benchmarks
2014-08-02 00:28 <nebadon> hmm
2014-08-02 00:28 <justincc> interestingly, someone told me opensim performs better for them on mac if they set the threadpool to just launch threads (and not pool at all)
2014-08-02 00:28 <nebadon> that CPU is about twice as fast as the xeon in the server your using
2014-08-02 00:29 <nebadon> thats not good
2014-08-02 00:29 <justincc> apparantly osx has sometihng called the Grand Central Dispatcher that makes launching new threads very easy
2014-08-02 00:29 <justincc> nebadon: heh
2014-08-02 00:29 <nebadon> what mono are you using?
2014-08-02 00:29 <nebadon> 2.10?
2014-08-02 00:29 <justincc> 3.2.8
2014-08-02 00:29 <nebadon> ah ok
2014-08-02 00:30 <nebadon> your cpu is about the same speed as my i5 workstation
2014-08-02 00:30 <nebadon> my quad core
2014-08-02 00:30 <nebadon> they benchmark the same
2014-08-02 00:30 <justincc> ok
2014-08-02 00:30 <nebadon> let me see how the core2quad fairs
2014-08-02 00:30 <justincc> so, might have to spread bots a bit further, but can just see how it goes
2014-08-02 00:31 <nebadon> that one is about 25% slower than your cpu
2014-08-02 00:31 <nebadon> so ya
2014-08-02 00:31 <justincc> tbh, I do have other machines I could conceivably use in parallel, I just have to invest time in settting them up, and then it's all still going through my single network connection
2014-08-02 00:31 <nebadon> if we spread it around it might work pretty good
2014-08-02 00:31 <nebadon> I think its better to spread things around anyway
2014-08-02 00:31 <justincc> yeah, a tiny bit more realistic
2014-08-02 00:31 <AliciaRaven2> u guys need another server to use on tuesdays load test? i can help if so
2014-08-02 00:32 <nebadon> my the one thing that is definitely better on my end is my router
2014-08-02 00:32 <nebadon> pretty much no way we can overwhelm the router
2014-08-02 00:32 <justincc> AliciaRaven2: yeah could do, what kind of server?
2014-08-02 00:33 <AliciaRaven2> let me get the specs
2014-08-02 00:33 <nebadon> man i am really surprised 400 bots uses so much cpu
2014-08-02 00:34 <nebadon> something not right about that
2014-08-02 00:34 <nebadon> you know
2014-08-02 00:34 <nebadon> 6 core amds have problems with mono
2014-08-02 00:34 <nebadon> now that I think about it
2014-08-02 00:34 <justincc> even standing still they are exchanging a lot of packets with the simulator
2014-08-02 00:34 <nebadon> they always have had issues with mono
2014-08-02 00:34 <justincc> but yeah, maybe I should think a bit about that
2014-08-02 00:34 <justincc> 6 cores shouldn't realy be much different from 2 or 4
2014-08-02 00:35 <nebadon> so i wouldnt be completely shocked if you get better performance on my old xeon
2014-08-02 00:35 <nebadon> than the 6 core amd
2014-08-02 00:35 <nebadon> its not so much that its 6 cores
2014-08-02 00:35 <nebadon> but how amd handles switching or somthing
2014-08-02 00:35 <AliciaRaven2> justincc, 4core, 4gb ram cloud server running debian 7, in a data center in canada
2014-08-02 00:35 <nebadon> they may have fixed that in newer chips
2014-08-02 00:35 <nebadon> let me google real quick
2014-08-02 00:36 <justincc> AliciaRaven2: does it matter if it gets heavily used for a while?
2014-08-02 00:37 <AliciaRaven2> nope thats fine, i got it to replace one of mine that payment is gonna end on the 10th
2014-08-02 00:38 <nebadon> ya that is a wierd cpu you have
2014-08-02 00:38 <nebadon> i think its actually 3 cores with hyperthreading
2014-08-02 00:38 <justincc> AliciaRaven2: We'll let you know, I think we'll try with neb's stuff first but we might need more power
2014-08-02 00:38 <justincc> nebadon: where are you getting this info?
2014-08-02 00:38 <justincc> AliciaRaven2: thanks for the offer
2014-08-02 00:38 <nebadon> im googling about it
2014-08-02 00:38 <AliciaRaven2> k, np
2014-08-02 00:40 <nebadon> ya anyway it will be a good test Justin
2014-08-02 00:41 <nebadon> but indeed looks like that FX-6300 is technically 3 cores with hyperthreading
2014-08-02 00:41 <nebadon> its 6 logical cores
2014-08-02 00:41 <justincc> gimme a link!
2014-08-02 00:41 <nebadon> well its hard to find anything official
2014-08-02 00:42 <nebadon> but what people are saying is its 3 modules with 6 threads
2014-08-02 00:42 <nebadon> http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1876450/6300-cores-cores.html
2014-08-02 00:43 <nebadon> however i am having trouble locating the info about mono having problems with these cpus
2014-08-02 00:43 <nebadon> it was quite a while ago i read it
2014-08-02 00:43 <nebadon> couple years now
2014-08-02 00:43 <justincc> mono has changed a lot since then
2014-08-02 00:44 <nebadon> it has
2014-08-02 00:44 <nebadon> the good news is we have plenty of hardware to split things up
2014-08-02 00:44 <nebadon> we could do 100 per server
2014-08-02 00:44 <lkalif> miguel blogged about working on mono preformance big time now
2014-08-02 00:44 <lkalif> hiring bunch of devs to do it
2014-08-02 00:44 <nebadon> 100 on yours and 100 on my 3
2014-08-02 00:44 <nebadon> nice lkalif
2014-08-02 00:45 <lkalif> Mono Performance Team http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Jul-23.html
2014-08-02 00:45 <justincc> nebadon: worl, I really want 400 for independent testing.  But honestly, i think my system doesn't fall that far short in handling 400 so I suspect obth wil do fine with 200 each for now
2014-08-02 00:46 <justincc> though if the bots are stepped up to be more realistic the requirements may go up
2014-08-02 00:46 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-02 00:46 <justincc> if the thing will just stop crashing it will be fine
2014-08-02 00:46 <nebadon> yea
2014-08-02 00:46 <lkalif> you need test bots?
2014-08-02 00:46 <nebadon> ya were load testing 400 avatars
2014-08-02 00:47 <nebadon> trying to get to a point where we can simulate 400 what the simulator would perceive as real avatars
2014-08-02 00:47 <lkalif> I have an i7 here with 32 gig ram and 60 mbit fiber link¨
2014-08-02 00:47 <nebadon> i wish my encitra servers werent so jammed up right now
2014-08-02 00:48 <nebadon> i have 5 i7 machines with 48gb each
2014-08-02 00:48 <nebadon> lol
2014-08-02 00:48 <nebadon> in germany
2014-08-02 00:48 <nebadon> but they are pretty jammed up with simulators at the moment
2014-08-02 00:48 <lkalif> hetzner ex-60?
2014-08-02 00:48 <nebadon> yea
2014-08-02 00:49 <nebadon> i could ask christer to get me another one, he would
2014-08-02 00:49 <lkalif> nothing like hetzner
2014-08-02 00:49 <nebadon> they are 8 core with 48gb and gigabit network
2014-08-02 00:50 <lkalif> I know, I used to run ibe of those bad babies for Singularity buildbot
2014-08-02 00:50 <lkalif> ibe -> one
2014-08-02 00:51 <nebadon> ya hetzner is great
2014-08-02 00:51 <nebadon> i still don't understand how it could possibly be so cheap
2014-08-02 00:51 <lkalif> yeah
2014-08-02 00:51 <nebadon> same hardware in US is like 3 times as much
2014-08-02 00:55 <dahlia> its probably cheap because its consumer grade hardware rather than server grade
2014-08-02 00:56 <nebadon> ya maybe, it seems pretty heavy duty to me
2014-08-02 00:56 <nebadon> its all rack stuff
2014-08-02 00:56 <nebadon> I think its supermicro
2014-08-02 00:56 <lkalif> it's still cheap compared to the other hosters
2014-08-02 00:56 <lkalif> with the comparable spec
2014-08-02 00:56 <nebadon> its quality hardware from what i can tell
2014-08-02 00:56 <lkalif> yeah, never had an issue with them
2014-08-02 00:57 <nebadon> i had one server go bad within a week or so
2014-08-02 00:57 <dahlia> xeons have bigger caches and other stuffs
2014-08-02 00:57 <nebadon> but otherwise its been good
2014-08-02 00:57 <nebadon> ya
2014-08-02 00:57 <nebadon> they do offer xeons too I think
2014-08-02 00:57 <nebadon> they have a large selection of stuff
2014-08-02 00:57 <nebadon> even the xeon stuff is cheaper
2014-08-02 00:57 <smxy> I loves me my Xeons. :)
2014-08-02 00:57 <nebadon> i suspect its partly funded by the government in germany
2014-08-02 00:58 <nebadon> they must get some kind of subsidies
2014-08-02 00:58 <nebadon> only thing i can think
2014-08-02 00:58 <dahlia> or maybe volume deals from manufacturers
2014-08-02 00:58 <nebadon> ya thats possible too
2014-08-02 00:59 <nebadon> you would think that American firms would get similar deals
2014-08-02 00:59 <nebadon> honestly though Hetzner destroys all in terms of price
2014-08-02 00:59 <nebadon> no one comes even close
2014-08-02 00:59 <nebadon> most of europe hosting is considerably more expensive
2014-08-02 00:59 <dahlia> maybe they're dumping to try to put others out of business
2014-08-02 00:59 <nebadon> ya
2014-08-02 01:00 <lkalif> there are some crazy cheap ones
2014-08-02 01:00 <dahlia> when they reach monopoly size the price goes back up
2014-08-02 01:00 <dahlia> like walmart
2014-08-02 01:00 <nebadon> ya well its not just price
2014-08-02 01:00 <nebadon> its how much computing power per $ your getting
2014-08-02 01:00 <nebadon> that makes it such a crazy deal
2014-08-02 01:00 <lkalif> currently I'm renting i3, 2c4t 3.4ghz with 8 gig ram and 1 tb hd, for --- wait for it, 18€
2014-08-02 01:01 <nebadon> ya thats not bad
2014-08-02 01:01 <nebadon> no vat? or is that vat included?
2014-08-02 01:02 <lkalif> 15€ + 20% vat
2014-08-02 01:02 <lkalif> for 20€ you get 16 GB ram, i5 with 4 cores
2014-08-02 01:02 <nebadon> nice, ya thats not bad
2014-08-02 01:02 <nebadon> how much bandwidth?
2014-08-02 01:02 <lkalif> 100 mbit network card with no caps
2014-08-02 01:03 <nebadon> wow ya that is a good deal
2014-08-02 01:03 <nebadon> where is this?
2014-08-02 01:03 <lkalif> https://www.kimsufi.com/uk/index.xml
2014-08-02 01:03 <nebadon> nice, thanks
2014-08-02 01:03 <lkalif> they have datacenter in france and canada
2014-08-02 01:03 <nebadon> ah ya i remember talking with siana about this
2014-08-02 01:03 <nebadon> trying to figure out if they supported the vXT extentions
2014-08-02 01:04 <lkalif> http://www.replex.org/ is there now
2014-08-02 01:04 <nebadon> nice
2014-08-02 01:04 <lkalif> alpha builds and all
2014-08-02 01:04 <AliciaRaven2> lkalif, they part of ohv, just got a server with them today myself
2014-08-02 01:04 <lkalif> yeah, but kimsufi is super cheap, and dangerous
2014-08-02 01:05 <lkalif> basically no support ;)
2014-08-02 01:05 <lkalif> but I'm ok with that for those prices
2014-08-02 01:06 <AliciaRaven2> damn, always the way, as soon as i pay i find some where better lol
2014-08-02 01:07 <lkalif> yeah it's always like that
2014-08-02 01:07 <lkalif> it's one of the fundamental laws of nature ;)
2014-08-02 01:08 <AliciaRaven2> heh atleased im paying by the month tho
2014-08-02 01:08 <AliciaRaven2> u run opensim on a kimsufi?
2014-08-02 01:09 <lkalif> not yet, I plan to
2014-08-02 01:09 <lkalif> but just for fun
2014-08-02 01:09 <lkalif> 3-4 regions on osgrid
2014-08-02 01:09 <AliciaRaven2> cool let me know how it goes
2014-08-02 01:09 <lkalif> I plan to use windows to run it
2014-08-02 01:10 <lkalif> in a vm
2014-08-02 01:10 <justincc> alright, time for me to rest.  Goodnight folks
2014-08-02 01:10 <AliciaRaven2> my current provider is a heck of alot more than ovh and kimsufi
2014-08-02 01:11 <Plugh> ?? Fixes for LSL line number reporting being backported from master? I thought all that was already part of 0.8
2014-08-02 01:11 <lkalif> kimsufi is cheap version of ovh... same company.. but with kimsufi you get no support
2014-08-02 01:11 <AliciaRaven2> and there support sucks so i might aswell drop it
2014-08-02 01:12 <AliciaRaven2> reveiws of ovh say their support is nonexistant anyway
2014-08-02 01:12 <lkalif> you might as well get on kimsufi then
2014-08-02 01:12 <AliciaRaven2> yea
2014-08-02 01:13 <AliciaRaven2> well i get a month to play with this one i got today then i can change
2014-08-02 01:13 <lkalif> I've had a server there for 4 months. Installed VMs on it, I can build a viewer there now on all 5 platforms
2014-08-02 01:14 <lkalif> got a decent performance for an i3. builds mac viewer in about half an hour
2014-08-02 01:14 <AliciaRaven2> got it to replace one from heart internet that rent expires on the 10th
2014-08-02 01:14 <lkalif> which is not that bad reallyt
2014-08-02 01:14 <Plugh> what the??? 77 back ports from master to 0.8 PF? Incredible.
2014-08-02 01:16 <AliciaRaven2> yep, didnt think there would be that many since 0.8
2014-08-02 01:20 <dahlia> that kimsufi site only has 2 server models available? it doesnt offer the 4.99 one
2014-08-02 01:22 <dahlia> the old loss leader trick?
2014-08-02 01:22 <nebadon> the i5-3570 one with 16gb is nice
2014-08-02 01:22 <nebadon> that is pretty much exactly this desktop machine i have is
2014-08-02 01:23 <dahlia> I wonder if anyone rents servers with gpus in them
2014-08-02 01:23 <nebadon> im sure they do
2014-08-02 01:24 <lkalif> dahlia: there is something wrong with that english page of their atm
2014-08-02 01:24 <lkalif> I have one of those atoms too
2014-08-02 01:24 <lkalif> for 8€ / mo
2014-08-02 01:24 <dahlia> maybe they're out of the atoms
2014-08-02 01:24 <lkalif> not using it for much
2014-08-02 01:24 <nebadon> http://www.nvidia.com/object/gpu-cloud-computing-services.html
2014-08-02 01:24 <lkalif> if you want I can make you an acct on it if you want to test it
2014-08-02 01:25 <dahlia> no thanks, was just curious 
2014-08-02 01:25 <nebadon> dahlia it appears Amazon does
2014-08-02 01:25 <dahlia> oh? 
2014-08-02 01:26 <nebadon> that nvidia link says they do
2014-08-02 01:27 <dahlia> click on the amazon link and its a big 44
2014-08-02 01:27 <dahlia> 404
2014-08-02 01:28 <dahlia> not just a normal 404 but a really big one
2014-08-02 01:28 <dahlia> guess they're serious about 404s
2014-08-02 01:34 <lkalif> lol
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2014-08-02 03:01 <keygruin_> dahlia: here's a link to amazon cloud servers with GPUs: http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/instance-types/
2014-08-02 03:46 <nebadon> nice keygruin_
2014-08-02 03:47 <nebadon> the GPU server has a 780M GTX
2014-08-02 03:47 <nebadon> same as my laptop
2014-08-02 03:47 <nebadon> nice hardware
2014-08-02 04:09 <dahlia> keygruin_: ty
2014-08-02 04:09 <dahlia> nebadon: where does it say 780m?
2014-08-02 04:09 <dahlia> strange they would use a mobile gpu
2014-08-02 04:10 <nebadon> the specs are identical to my card
2014-08-02 04:10 <nebadon> 1536 cores with 4gb ram
2014-08-02 04:10 <dahlia> oh may be different tho
2014-08-02 04:10 <nebadon> thats exactly what mine is
2014-08-02 04:10 <nebadon> it makes sense to put mobile in servers
2014-08-02 04:10 <nebadon> for heat reasons
2014-08-02 04:10 <nebadon> im sure its a rack server
2014-08-02 04:11 <nebadon> not to mention power
2014-08-02 04:11 <dahlia> rack servers usually have pretty high-end cooling
2014-08-02 04:11 <nebadon> ya well either way the specs are pretty much identical to my 780M GTX
2014-08-02 04:12 <nebadon> they dont make any PCI cards with 4gb ram
2014-08-02 04:12 <nebadon> only the  mobile one
2014-08-02 04:12 <nebadon> the pcie cards come in either 3 or 6gb variants
2014-08-02 04:12 <nebadon> and the Qaudros are 6 or 12gb
2014-08-02 04:15 <dahlia> oem can vary from the standard off the shelf stuff
2014-08-02 04:15 <nebadon> ya
2014-08-02 04:15 <nebadon> http://www.geforce.com/hardware/notebook-gpus/geforce-gtx-780m/specifications
2014-08-02 04:15 <nebadon> it could be an 880M too
2014-08-02 04:15 <nebadon> which is also 1536 cores
2014-08-02 04:16 <dahlia> http://www.nvidia.com/gtx-700-graphics-cards/gtx-770/
2014-08-02 04:16 <dahlia> 1536 is 2^9*3, pretty common number in the computing world
2014-08-02 04:16 <nebadon> ya but max memory is 2gb
2014-08-02 04:16 <dahlia> "standard memory"
2014-08-02 04:17 <nebadon> its the 4gb that makes me think its mobile
2014-08-02 04:17 <nebadon> ya im sure they can get custom hardware
2014-08-02 04:17 <nebadon> but the mobile ones make more sense in servers to me
2014-08-02 04:17 <dahlia> or some oem may sell with more
2014-08-02 04:17 <nebadon> its certainly fast enough, even so, all these cards are pretty similar
2014-08-02 04:17 <dahlia> nvidia usually lets OEMs sell the cards
2014-08-02 04:17 <nebadon> the M is mostly just clocked differently in the 780
2014-08-02 04:18 <nebadon> the instruction set is pretty much the same
2014-08-02 04:18 <dahlia> mobile is usually way slower than desktop
2014-08-02 04:20 <nebadon> im kind of surprised they are not more specific about the hardware
2014-08-02 04:21 <nebadon> ok its a 
2014-08-02 04:21 <nebadon> Tesla M-Class M2050 (CG1 instances)
2014-08-02 04:22 <nebadon> no that cant be right
2014-08-02 04:22 <nebadon> wierd
2014-08-02 04:22 <nebadon> thats from the amazon web page though
2014-08-02 04:22 <dahlia> ya I bet that would kick the snot out of any mobile gpu
2014-08-02 04:22 <nebadon> but nvidia says thats a 448 core cpu
2014-08-02 04:23 <nebadon> thats what my 560ti is
2014-08-02 04:23 <nebadon> aha
2014-08-02 04:23 <nebadon> thtats their old hardware
2014-08-02 04:23 <dahlia> "cuda cores" seems a strange number, not necessarily easy to relate to graphics rendering ability
2014-08-02 04:23 <nebadon> new version is 
2014-08-02 04:23 <nebadon> http://www.nvidia.com/object/cloud-gaming-gpu-boards.html
2014-08-02 04:23 <nebadon> GRID K340
2014-08-02 04:24 <nebadon> interesting
2014-08-02 04:24 <nebadon> wow its a quadro
2014-08-02 04:24 <nebadon> basically
2014-08-02 04:24 <nebadon> its 4 448 core gpus
2014-08-02 04:24 <nebadon> sorry 4 384 cores
2014-08-02 04:25 <nebadon> its like 4 way sli on 1 card
2014-08-02 04:25 <nebadon> wierd setup
2014-08-02 04:25 <nebadon> these dont seem very good for gaming
2014-08-02 04:26 <nebadon> hard to say might be though
2014-08-02 04:26 <dahlia> only one way to find out ;)
2014-08-02 04:26 <nebadon> hehe ya
2014-08-02 04:26 <nebadon> be awesome for rendering stuff in 3dsmax and maya i bet
2014-08-02 04:26 <nebadon> this is the kind of stuff they use in big render farms
2014-08-02 04:27 <dahlia> but ya GPGPU doesnt necessarily mean the best for traditional graphics
2014-08-02 04:27 <nebadon> like these guys
2014-08-02 04:27 <nebadon> https://www.wetafx.co.nz/
2014-08-02 04:27 <nebadon> these guys did Avatar
2014-08-02 04:28 <nebadon> http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/12/22/the-data-crunching-powerhouse-behind-avatar/
2014-08-02 04:28 <nebadon> cant even imagine how stressful it is to run a data center like that
2014-08-02 04:28 <nebadon> hehe
2014-08-02 04:30 <dahlia> imagine how loud it is in there
2014-08-02 04:31 <nebadon> right
2014-08-02 04:31 <nebadon> lol
2014-08-02 04:31 <nebadon> though it might be quiet
2014-08-02 04:31 <nebadon> probably using a lot of SSDs
2014-08-02 04:31 <nebadon> and water cooling
2014-08-02 04:31 <LuciusSir> i have been spending time, listening to epic rap battles of history on youtube
2014-08-02 04:31 <LuciusSir> my brain is not as rotten now as i would have xpected
2014-08-02 04:31 <LuciusSir> lol
2014-08-02 04:31 <dahlia> any data centers ive ever been in were pretty loud
2014-08-02 04:31 <nebadon> yea
2014-08-02 04:32 <nebadon> hard drives and fans are loud
2014-08-02 04:32 <nebadon> i have 2 rack servers in the basement
2014-08-02 04:32 <nebadon> and it is so absurdly loud
2014-08-02 04:32 <dahlia> why? lol
2014-08-02 04:32 <nebadon> its the fans
2014-08-02 04:32 <nebadon> 1U racks
2014-08-02 04:32 <dahlia> I mean why have racks?
2014-08-02 04:32 <nebadon> oh they are the old osgrid servers
2014-08-02 04:33 <nebadon> they run regions now
2014-08-02 04:33 <nebadon> heh
2014-08-02 04:33 <dahlia> dont they eat a lot of power?
2014-08-02 04:33 <nebadon> not really
2014-08-02 04:33 <nebadon> its like 250 or 300 psus
2014-08-02 04:33 <nebadon> watt*
2014-08-02 04:33 <nebadon> they are xeons
2014-08-02 04:34 <dahlia> I have 11 osgrid regions running on a single atom computer in a closet using about 20 watts
2014-08-02 04:34 <nebadon> hehe ya well compared to that its a lot
2014-08-02 11:46 <Aleric> Uh, I just saw the 0.8-post-fixes commits here %-).  Aren't those fixes in the released 0.8 ?!
2014-08-02 12:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #3741 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-08-02 12:27 <osjenkins> bluewall: Fix typo in log message
2014-08-02 14:44 <osmantis> Bug #7289:04 Login more than 11 avatars cause ruthed avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7289 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-08-02 15:09 <osmantis> Bug #7289:04 Login more than 11 avatars cause ruthed avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7289 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-02 15:16 <osmantis> Bug #7289:04 Login more than 11 avatars cause ruthed avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7289 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-08-02 16:22 <Misterblue> nebadon: is there a place or kit somewhere for NPCs? I want to run a bunch for testing
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2014-08-02 19:26 <osmantis> Bug #7288:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Check on name, Description and UUID/Avatar Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7288 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-02 19:27 <osmantis> Bug #7288:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Check on name, Description and UUID/Avatar Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7288 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-08-02 22:41 <osmantis> Bug #7281:04 show regions command displays same info twice 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7281 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-08-02 22:43 <smxy> Why does llGetMemoryLimit() return 65536 on Sl, but only 16384 in OpenSim? How do I change OpenSim to match?
2014-08-02 22:47 <smxy> I see that that's the limit for LSO scripts, but Mono scripts are supposed to go up to 65536. I'm running under Mono on Linux. How can my scripts not be Mono?
2014-08-02 22:56 <osmantis> Bug #7274:04 Users added to parcel & estate ban list are still able to go to a var and stay as long as they want. Have not tested on non var 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7274 ): has been CLOSED
2014-08-02 22:57 <MarcusLlew> Last I knew (which could be out of date) llGetMemoryLimit was meaningless under XEngine. Scripts effectively have no limit.
2014-08-02 22:59 <Wanderer_42> smxy: HAve a look here: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7166
2014-08-02 23:01 <osmantis> Bug #7191:04 [BULLETSIM] exception with linkset on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7191 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-02 23:03 <osmantis> Bug #7259:04 Sim/Grid owner AV cannot cross border from normal sim into a private var. "Cannot crosss into banned parcel" when crossing borde 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7259 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-02 23:05 <osmantis> Bug #7022:04 Varregion: Teleport to varregion results in viewer crash with Singularity or Firestorm. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7022 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-08-02 23:06 <Ken_S> opensimulator.org appears to have just gone down. 
2014-08-02 23:06 <Ken_S> Spoke too soon
2014-08-02 23:07 <Ken_S> Just started being very very slow to load.
2014-08-02 23:07 <osmantis> Bug #7022:04 Varregion: Teleport to varregion results in viewer crash with Singularity or Firestorm. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7022 ): has been CLOSED
2014-08-02 23:09 <osmantis> Bug #6900:04 Arriving sim: Did not find presence with id... in Land 1 before timeout. Departing sim: UpdateAgent failed on teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6900 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-08-02 23:09 <osmantis> Bug #6900:04 Arriving sim: Did not find presence with id... in Land 1 before timeout. Departing sim: UpdateAgent failed on teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6900 ): has been CLOSED
2014-08-02 23:23 <osmantis> Bug #7290:04 creating Local hyperlinks still happen occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7290 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-08-02 23:25 <osmantis> Bug #7290:04 creating Local hyperlinks still happen occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7290 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-02 23:55 <smxy> Wanderer_42: Yeah, it appears to be hard-wired in the code. :(
2014-08-02 23:56 <smxy> public LSL_Integer llGetMemoryLimit() ... return 16384;
2014-08-02 23:57 <smxy> Smae for ;;GetUsedMemory
2014-08-02 23:57 <smxy> ll*
2014-08-02 23:57 <smxy> setting the memorylimit does nothing but return false.
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2014-08-03 03:11 <smxy> nebadon: opensimulator.org is down.
2014-08-03 04:10 <Ken_S> Is there a proper way to expand the size of a var without loosing the objects already on the var?
2014-08-03 04:10 <dahlia> Ken_S: have you lost objects?
2014-08-03 04:11 <Ken_S> No, Im saying I want to expand the var without loosing any
2014-08-03 04:11 <Ken_S> I just want to expand an existing var
2014-08-03 04:11 <dahlia> Id think if you make it larger then it would work, no idea about making it smaller. As always, make a backup first :)
2014-08-03 04:12 <Ken_S> dahlia, so you think all the objects will stay at the same spot they were before?
2014-08-03 04:13 <dahlia> I'd think so, yes
2014-08-03 04:13 <Ken_S> OK, I'll make an oar just before and try it
2014-08-03 04:13 <Ken_S> Thanks!
2014-08-03 04:14 <dahlia> np, good luck! *hides just in case your computer explodes*...
2014-08-03 04:15 <Ken_S> lol
2014-08-03 05:18 <smxy> Report back so we know if it works or not, eh? :)
2014-08-03 05:47 <nebadon> smxy website is back
2014-08-03 05:47 <nebadon> just had to kick apache this time
2014-08-03 06:51 <Plugh> nebadon: What happened to it?
2014-08-03 06:54 <nebadon> not really sure i didnt look to much into it, too tired
2014-08-03 06:54 <nebadon> i just restarted apache and it came back
2014-08-03 06:55 <Plugh> ok. Seems a little odd. I can't recall ever seeing Apache fail.
2014-08-03 07:09 <nebadon> yea not sure what it is, I think we kind of narrowed it down to something with viewgit
2014-08-03 07:09 <Plugh> ah, ok.
2014-08-03 16:07 <osmantis> Bug #3268:04 LSL :  Error CS0023: The `~' operator cannot be applied to operand of type `bool' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3268 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-03 17:15 <osmantis> Bug #7289:04 Login more than 11 avatars cause ruthed avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7289 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-03 17:28 <osmantis> Bug #7289:04 Login more than 11 avatars cause ruthed avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7289 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-03 17:34 <osmantis> Bug #7289:04 Login more than 11 avatars cause ruthed avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7289 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-03 17:37 <osmantis> Bug #7289:04 Login more than 11 avatars cause ruthed avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7289 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-03 17:41 <osmantis> Bug #7289:04 Login more than 11 avatars cause ruthed avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7289 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-03 18:25 <osmantis> Bug #7289:04 Login more than 11 avatars cause ruthed avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7289 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-03 18:54 <Plugh> What is the hash code for the original 0.8PF branch?
2014-08-03 18:58 <Plugh> nm. Managed to track it down.
2014-08-03 19:00 <osmantis> Bug #7289:04 Login more than 11 avatars cause ruthed avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7289 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-03 19:28 <osmantis> Bug #7259:04 Sim/Grid owner AV cannot cross border from normal sim into a private var. "Cannot crosss into banned parcel" when crossing borde 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7259 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-04 00:49 <osmantis> Bug #7259:04 Sim/Grid owner AV cannot cross border from normal sim into a private var. "Cannot crosss into banned parcel" when crossing borde 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7259 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-08-04 00:50 <osmantis> Bug #7259:04 Sim/Grid owner AV cannot cross border from normal sim into a private var. "Cannot crosss into banned parcel" when crossing borde 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7259 ): has been CLOSED
2014-08-04 02:36 <nebadon> Misterblue ping
2014-08-04 04:55 <Misterblue> pong, nebadon
2014-08-04 05:13 <nebadon> hey
2014-08-04 05:13 <nebadon> you still around Misterblue?
2014-08-04 05:14 <nebadon> i was setting up the OSCC grid for this years event
2014-08-04 05:14 <nebadon> http://cc.opensimulator.org/map
2014-08-04 05:14 <nebadon> you can see i have 2 vars, Shopping Center and Sandbox
2014-08-04 05:14 <nebadon> then is a space between the Keynotes and these cars
2014-08-04 05:14 <nebadon> err *Vars*
2014-08-04 05:15 <Misterblue> the shopping center doesn't look like a var
2014-08-04 05:15 <nebadon> when i log into the var regions i can see the keynotes
2014-08-04 05:15 <nebadon> that map doesnt display vars
2014-08-04 05:15 <nebadon> i was just showing you the layout
2014-08-04 05:15 <nebadon> you can tell its a var from the density of the texture
2014-08-04 05:15 <Misterblue> are all the keynotes one varregion then?
2014-08-04 05:15 <nebadon> no
2014-08-04 05:15 <nebadon> they are 4 seperate simulators
2014-08-04 05:15 <nebadon> and when i log into the var regions i can see the keynotes
2014-08-04 05:16 <nebadon> even though there is a full space in between them
2014-08-04 05:16 <Misterblue> ok... I think I get it... the two vars are how big?
2014-08-04 05:16 <nebadon> i even tried setting the DefaultDrawDistance in the var, tried 255 and 511 there still no change
2014-08-04 05:16 <nebadon> they are 512x512
2014-08-04 05:17 <Misterblue> it is still probably the view distance stuff making the child connections...
2014-08-04 05:17 <nebadon> ya i thought setting 255 might fix it, but no luck
2014-08-04 05:17 <Misterblue> diva and I have been going back and forth on this... it probably is still wrong somewhere
2014-08-04 05:18 <Misterblue> there is a complex mix of avatar view distance, sim view distance, and fudges added by various parties
2014-08-04 05:18 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-04 05:18 <nebadon> yea not surprising
2014-08-04 05:20 <Misterblue> if it's going to be a problem, I can look into it tomorrow evening
2014-08-04 05:20 <nebadon> ok cool ya well it would be good to fix, we have plenty of time to get it fixed
2014-08-04 05:20 <Misterblue> the problem seems to be that several functions interact and it worked in the past because everything was the same size
2014-08-04 05:20 <nebadon> i might need to shut the vars down for the tuesday load test
2014-08-04 05:20 <nebadon> it would definitely cause problems
2014-08-04 05:20 <nebadon> with 400 avatars
2014-08-04 05:21 <Misterblue> extra child connections would be more load
2014-08-04 05:21 <nebadon> if its something we deem unfixable before november prehaps even long before then, i'll need to redesign the grid layout
2014-08-04 05:21 <nebadon> right
2014-08-04 05:21 <Misterblue> will the 400 be in the conference region or in sandbox?
2014-08-04 05:21 <nebadon> though
2014-08-04 05:21 <nebadon> i dont think the keynotes can actually see the vars
2014-08-04 05:21 <nebadon> its a 1 way valve
2014-08-04 05:22 <nebadon> let me test that
2014-08-04 05:22 <Misterblue> ya... probably the varregion size upping the distance it is looking for children with
2014-08-04 05:24 <Misterblue> I looked a little for any overhead the avatars could be adding
2014-08-04 05:24 <Misterblue> you said 400 avs was maxing out your cpu
2014-08-04 05:24 <nebadon> last week was a lot better
2014-08-04 05:24 <nebadon> though i dont think we have actually hit 400 bots yet
2014-08-04 05:24 <Misterblue> it used to be that standing avatars would jiggle in BulletSim but I couldn't get my test avatars to do that any more
2014-08-04 05:25 <nebadon> we hit around 350 something
2014-08-04 05:25 <Misterblue> there is the double computation of animation updates
2014-08-04 05:25 <nebadon> ya last week i saw my avatars it helped a little
2014-08-04 05:25 <Misterblue> both ODE and BulletSim have to generate a collision for every avatar every tick so it can update animations
2014-08-04 05:25 <Misterblue> but that update is also done by the heartbeat's update call
2014-08-04 05:26 <Misterblue> but I don't know how much overhead that would be adding
2014-08-04 05:26 <Misterblue> is there an NPC kit somewhere? I'd like to create 100s of my own avs for testing
2014-08-04 08:27 <osmantis> Bug #7291:04 [DATASNAPSHOT]: Unable to decode reply from data service on OSGrid add on region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7291 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-08-04 08:27 <osmantis> Bug #7291:04 [DATASNAPSHOT]: Unable to decode reply from data service on OSGrid add on region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7291 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-08-04 10:47 <osmantis> Bug #7277:04 OSGrid add on region release - ScriptStopStrategy co-op seems to prevent regions with scripts being enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7277 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-04 12:55 <halriasa_> hello
2014-08-04 12:56 <halriasa_> is it posible varreg can run in multiple instance?
2014-08-04 13:00 <velusuniverse> halriasa_, i dont think it can as far as i can tell its one instance per region so a var region will be one isstance as it is one region
2014-08-04 13:04 <halriasa_> ty
2014-08-04 13:07 <velusuniverse> yw
2014-08-04 13:20 <Misterblue> halriasa: a varregion is just one region that is larger
2014-08-04 13:22 <velusuniverse> thought it was lol 
2014-08-04 13:53 <AliciaRaven> velusuniverse, opensim is not one region per instance, ur thinking of how aurora used to be
2014-08-04 13:55 <halriasa_> yes but the idea: multiple regions hosted on same subnet but dif machines, it works but the handshake is nogo
2014-08-04 13:58 <AliciaRaven> that will be router config or port forwarding, assuming the network settings u have in the ini files are correct
2014-08-04 14:01 <halriasa_> how i have it : robust>>grid1>>grid2
2014-08-04 14:01 <halriasa_> i can gridlink to it external but not enter it due handshake
2014-08-04 14:02 <halriasa_> i forwarded 8002 tcp and tcpudp the 8003
2014-08-04 14:02 <halriasa_> now my question
2014-08-04 14:02 <halriasa_> does ech grid need its udp visable on its listenerport
2014-08-04 14:03 <halriasa_> if i use varreg it wont work if i use normal config then i can go in but np phys or chat works
2014-08-04 14:04 <halriasa_> and in robust.Hg.ini i see gatekeeprs not defined
2014-08-04 14:05 <halriasa_> oh sry wrong window
2014-08-04 14:06 <Misterblue> All simulators and regions need to be network visible to the grid services. When logging into a region, the grid service makes a network connection to the region to say 'here comes authroized person X'
2014-08-04 14:06 <halriasa_> yes
2014-08-04 14:06 <halriasa_> but
2014-08-04 14:06 <halriasa_> when enabling varreg it wont go
2014-08-04 14:06 <halriasa_> handshake bla
2014-08-04 14:07 <Misterblue> so, the region's external address (in Regions.ini) and the simulator's http port must be externally accessable by the grid services associated with that region (and both grid services if HGing)
2014-08-04 14:07 <halriasa_> i understand but wy does it break when enabling varreg
2014-08-04 14:08 <halriasa_> for each listener i opened a port udp/tcp
2014-08-04 14:08 <halriasa_> so that works
2014-08-04 14:08 <Misterblue> what's the error message? Is the error message about protocol version? 
2014-08-04 14:08 <halriasa_> the external grid services work to
2014-08-04 14:08 <halriasa_> no it just logs user in and waiting for handshake
2014-08-04 14:08 <halriasa_> when disabling the varreg i can go in but phys goes baserk
2014-08-04 14:09 <halriasa_> no error shown
2014-08-04 14:09 <halriasa_> in console
2014-08-04 14:09 <Misterblue> the 'waiting for handshake' is usually a non-visible port problem although it is odd that it works with legacy sized regions and not a varregion
2014-08-04 14:09 <halriasa_> exactly
2014-08-04 14:09 <halriasa_> it confuses me
2014-08-04 14:10 <Misterblue> could be problems TPing to areas outside the 256 region size. The grid services have had problems addressing outside the legacy region size
2014-08-04 14:10 <halriasa_> so 256 is the magic size ?
2014-08-04 14:11 <halriasa_> when loging local it works fine
2014-08-04 14:11 <Misterblue> 256 is the legacy region size. A lot of code made assumptions based around that size. They haven't all be stomped out
2014-08-04 14:11 <halriasa_> ahhhh
2014-08-04 14:12 <halriasa_> makes sence
2014-08-04 14:12 <halriasa_> but its strange internal it works just not on the wan
2014-08-04 14:12 <Misterblue> I have to run... sorry I can't dig into this with you right now
2014-08-04 14:13 <Misterblue> if you can characterize the problem... please file a Mantis so it can be worked on
2014-08-04 14:14 <Misterblue> OpenSim could use a tool that talks to the grid services and the regions and verifies connectivity... this port thing is a hard to diagnose problem many people run into
2014-08-04 14:14 <Misterblue> ttfn
2014-08-04 14:14 <halriasa_> i never ran into nat issues but ths makes me crazy lol
2014-08-04 14:15 <halriasa_> our grid made a huge step up indistro we came from 7.6
2014-08-04 14:15 <halriasa_> we will work it out thanks for thinking with us
2014-08-04 14:35 <halriasa_> ahoy 
2014-08-04 14:35 <halriasa_> :0
2014-08-04 14:40 <arfonzo> ahoy, halriasa_!
2014-08-04 15:33 <velusuniverse> MisterBlueAFK, you there
2014-08-04 20:09 <alt_drone> hello
2014-08-04 20:10 <alt_drone> i have isolated my trouble down to what seems to be internal routing issues
2014-08-04 20:10 <alt_drone> in a otherwise healthy gridmode instance of opensim (a sim connecting to a different host for grid services)   
2014-08-04 20:11 <alt_drone> setting the region to a varregion (by increasing size variables)  when specifying an internal ip adress(eg.192.168.1.112)  fails to allow users to login
2014-08-04 20:11 <alt_drone> they crash right after loading world
2014-08-04 20:12 <alt_drone>  wen the region is set to normal size again . all works
2014-08-04 20:12 <alt_drone>  this is to say a varregion in gridmode cannot be run in a multiple instance way . while being acessable to the public
2014-08-04 20:13 <AliciaRaven> alt_drone, many people use var regions in grid mode with no problems
2014-08-04 20:14 <AliciaRaven> i cant think what the issue could be
2014-08-04 20:14 <alt_drone> the only thing iv been told is that compiling with nant can lead to  some issues (never noticed any)
2014-08-04 20:14 <alt_drone> this is a essentially out of the box setup
2014-08-04 20:14 <alt_drone>  otherwise healthy
2014-08-04 20:14 <alt_drone>  connectable
2014-08-04 20:14 <alt_drone>  change those size vars and bam dead
2014-08-04 20:14 <AliciaRaven> i would recomend as misterblue said posting on mantis
2014-08-04 20:15 <alt_drone> i did not see that message
2014-08-04 20:15 <AliciaRaven> all my regions are var size grid mode with robust on a separate machine
2014-08-04 20:15 <alt_drone> yeah
2014-08-04 20:15 <alt_drone> are they seperate instances?
2014-08-04 20:15 <AliciaRaven> some are, some have multiple regions
2014-08-04 20:16 <alt_drone> iv got a entire grid converted to 512x512 vars  all pretty and waiting acess
2014-08-04 20:16 <alt_drone>  but cannot for the life of me make it acessable form outside
2014-08-04 20:16 <alt_drone>  from*
2014-08-04 20:16 <lkalif> I have one opensim instance raunning 5 regular and one var sim on osgrid
2014-08-04 20:16 <alt_drone>  (as vars)
2014-08-04 20:16 <AliciaRaven> in region ini you have local and external ip set?
2014-08-04 20:16 <lkalif> and var / no var makes no difference when it comes to connectivity
2014-08-04 20:16 <alt_drone> without the var sizing
2014-08-04 20:16 <alt_drone>  it works perfect
2014-08-04 20:16 <alt_drone>  acessable by all
2014-08-04 20:16 <alt_drone>  inside and outside the network
2014-08-04 20:16 <AliciaRaven> as lkalif just said, var should not make any difference to connecting
2014-08-04 20:17 <alt_drone>  it shoudnt make a diff but it shure as hell is trying to
2014-08-04 20:17 <lkalif> that's very strange. I don't see how that would be possible
2014-08-04 20:17 <alt_drone>  ilbe more specific
2014-08-04 20:17 <alt_drone>  they crash at loading world
2014-08-04 20:17 <alt_drone>  most recetn singularity
2014-08-04 20:17 <alt_drone>  recent*
2014-08-04 20:17 <lkalif> what crashes? the viewre?
2014-08-04 20:17 <alt_drone> yeah sims stay up
2014-08-04 20:18 <lkalif> well that'¨s a whole different thing
2014-08-04 20:19 <AliciaRaven> is your viewer upto date? only newish ones can handle var regions
2014-08-04 20:20 <alt_drone> yep new
2014-08-04 20:20 <alt_drone>  one moment
2014-08-04 20:20 <alt_drone> il redl it and test just for certainty sake
2014-08-04 20:23 <alt_drone>  1.8.5.5617
2014-08-04 20:23 <alt_drone> singularity version
2014-08-04 20:25 <lkalif> does it work on other var regions
2014-08-04 20:26 <alt_drone> it works when logged in on the internal network
2014-08-04 20:26 <lkalif> try going to Replex region on OSGrid for instance
2014-08-04 20:26 <alt_drone> and if i take it out of varregion sizing it becomes  logable to the external networka gain
2014-08-04 20:26 <alt_drone>  ok
2014-08-04 20:26 <alt_drone>  hold
2014-08-04 20:27 <alt_drone>  for the sake of curiosity
2014-08-04 20:27 <lkalif> alt_drone: dont describe it as "loggable"
2014-08-04 20:27 <lkalif> viewer crash is something completely differnet 
2014-08-04 20:27 <lkalif> than not being able to connect
2014-08-04 20:29 <alt_drone>  i have arrived in replex
2014-08-04 20:29 <alt_drone>  to me it makes no functional difference . none of my user are able to connect so i say unloggable
2014-08-04 20:30 <alt_drone> can fluidly move across its larger landscape
2014-08-04 20:33 <alt_drone> is there a trick besides the sizing and positioning that makes a varregion  talk nice to clients?
2014-08-04 20:33 <alt_drone> something i just dont knwo about?
2014-08-04 20:33 <lkalif> nothing except change the size
2014-08-04 20:33 <zadark> alt_drone, post the contents of your region.ini file to pastebin
2014-08-04 20:34 <alt_drone> hold
2014-08-04 20:34 <alt_drone> its super basic
2014-08-04 20:34 <alt_drone>  and works when not a var
2014-08-04 20:35 <AliciaRaven> alt_drone, u do have bullet set as your physics engine right?
2014-08-04 20:36 <alt_drone> yes
2014-08-04 20:36 <alt_drone> http://pastebin.com/7L5AXuq0
2014-08-04 20:36 <alt_drone> love bullet when itsworking
2014-08-04 20:36 <alt_drone>  haha
2014-08-04 20:37 <AliciaRaven> have u tried changing your ExternalHostName to the external ip?
2014-08-04 20:38 <alt_drone> i will now
2014-08-04 20:38 <alt_drone>  hold please
2014-08-04 20:39 <alt_drone> testing in other room 
2014-08-04 20:40 <zadark> Normally people set InternalAddress = 0.0.0.0
2014-08-04 20:40 <AliciaRaven> thats a good point, i use 0.0.0.0
2014-08-04 20:42 <zadark> Other than that I do no see any issue, providing of course redoasis.com is good
2014-08-04 20:42 <alt_drone> cant use it as i have mulitple machines runnign adn in production they load form a webserver
2014-08-04 20:42 <alt_drone>  it looks like
2014-08-04 20:42 <alt_drone>  the external ip works
2014-08-04 20:42 <alt_drone>  im gonna try tht with the webloader and see how it handles
2014-08-04 20:42 <alt_drone>  if it works you may have put us ontrack
2014-08-04 20:43 <zadark> bbl, I have a bat flying around in here, and it somewhat distracting
2014-08-04 20:43 <AliciaRaven> i heard people before having problems with dns lookups with opensim
2014-08-04 20:43 <AliciaRaven> bat, cool i want one lol
2014-08-04 20:43 <alt_drone> me too
2014-08-04 20:44 <zadark> alt_drone, what is the port number for the grid.. 8002?
2014-08-04 20:45 <alt_drone>  ja
2014-08-04 20:45 <alt_drone>  hold testing
2014-08-04 20:46 <zadark> btw, I cannot ping redoasis.com
2014-08-04 20:47 <alt_drone> strange
2014-08-04 20:47 <alt_drone>  using webloaded xml it breaks using external ip
2014-08-04 20:48 <zadark> resolves to 23.249.82.18 ?
2014-08-04 20:48 <alt_drone>  should
2014-08-04 20:48 <alt_drone> works on this end anyway
2014-08-04 20:48 <alt_drone>  the resolution( not hte region lol hold 
2014-08-04 20:50 <alt_drone> timeouts
2014-08-04 20:50 <alt_drone> ok forget the webloader
2014-08-04 20:51 <zadark> ping seems to be blocked, but I can see 8002
2014-08-04 20:53 <zadark> I cannot see your 9020 region though
2014-08-04 20:53 <alt_drone> its down atm
2014-08-04 20:54 <alt_drone>  tired ot load it form thesite but it just  hangs at login
2014-08-04 20:54 <alt_drone> so im reverting
2014-08-04 20:55 <dahlia> when I edit a prim in a large object, say 30-40m in size, and the prim I'm editing is far from the root prim, whenever I try to move it at all it snaps closer to the root prim. Is there any way I can disable this? it's really annoying
2014-08-04 20:55 <dahlia> in replex
2014-08-04 20:56 <dahlia> Its as if its trying to enforce some artificial limit in linkset size
2014-08-04 20:57 <AliciaRaven> dahlia, isnt that linkset limit part of opensim?
2014-08-04 20:57 <dahlia> I dont think so
2014-08-04 20:57 <dahlia> it let me stretch the linkset
2014-08-04 20:58 <AliciaRaven> i know it is in second life and i assumed opensim was the same
2014-08-04 20:58 <alt_drone>  ok it shoudl be acessable
2014-08-04 20:58 <alt_drone>  region testler
2014-08-04 20:58 <zadark> Location = 800,800 looks wierd
2014-08-04 20:58 <alt_drone> its because the maingrid is at the usuallocations and i dont want it anywhere near it for testing purpose
2014-08-04 20:59 <alt_drone>  main land of our grid
2014-08-04 20:59 <AliciaRaven> dahlia, might be these rules being applied incorrectly with out taking size into account http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linkability_Rules
2014-08-04 21:00 <dahlia> AliciaRaven: I dont think OpenSim implements those rules, otherwise it wouldnt have let me resize the linkset in the first place
2014-08-04 21:01 <AliciaRaven> there must be a similar rule to prevent linking 2 prims that are on diff sides of a region for example
2014-08-04 21:02 <dahlia> all I want to know is if there is a viewer setting for it
2014-08-04 21:03 <LiruCookies> Viewer setting for what, dahlia ?
2014-08-04 21:03 <alt_drone>  looks like the external ip fixes acessability but destroys acessablitiy form the internal network haha
2014-08-04 21:03 <dahlia> distance from root prim when editing a linkset
2014-08-04 21:03 <alt_drone>  il take that tradeoff tho
2014-08-04 21:05 <LiruCookies> dahlia: None that I know of but if it gives you a limit notification, tell me a string therein and I will reverse lookup
2014-08-04 21:05 <dahlia> the only notification is the prim wont go any further
2014-08-04 21:06 <LiruCookies> Word for word?
2014-08-04 21:06 <dahlia> I assume its enforced in the viewer as it hasnt communicated the move to the sim yet
2014-08-04 21:07 <dahlia> LiruCookies: no text. I try to move it and in wont move
2014-08-04 21:07 <dahlia> *wont move any further from the root
2014-08-04 21:07 <LiruCookies> llmanip or so, gonna check the code.
2014-08-04 21:08 <dahlia> ty
2014-08-04 21:08 <nebadon> you need to disable camera constraints or something dont you
2014-08-04 21:09 <dahlia> its disabled
2014-08-04 21:09 <nebadon> limit select distance?
2014-08-04 21:09 <nebadon> i dont recall having these issues
2014-08-04 21:09 <dahlia> I can select
2014-08-04 21:09 <nebadon> i know SL has a 30m limit for linking
2014-08-04 21:09 <nebadon> but opensim should be unlimited
2014-08-04 21:10 <nebadon> so it only happens with large prims?
2014-08-04 21:11 <nebadon> i cant seem to recreate this problem
2014-08-04 21:12 <dahlia> take that alien model, stretch it so its pretty large, line maybe 50ish meters. Try to edit a toe
2014-08-04 21:12 <lkalif> is grid manager set to opensim for the grid you're logging into?
2014-08-04 21:12 <nebadon> ok i was just using 2 cubes
2014-08-04 21:12 <dahlia> s/line/like
2014-08-04 21:12 <nebadon> and i was able to drag the child prim 100s of meters away from the root prim
2014-08-04 21:12 <nebadon> no snapping back
2014-08-04 21:13 <dahlia> use the alien
2014-08-04 21:13 <nebadon> hmm
2014-08-04 21:13 <nebadon> ok let me log into OSgrid
2014-08-04 21:13 <nebadon> and see if i can even find that object
2014-08-04 21:13 <nebadon> that object was made in SL
2014-08-04 21:13 <nebadon> and brought over with Second Inventory
2014-08-04 21:13 <nebadon> wonder if thats part of the problem
2014-08-04 21:13 <dahlia> the 255 prim one
2014-08-04 21:13 <nebadon> that alien is aincent
2014-08-04 21:13 <nebadon> made in 2007 I think
2014-08-04 21:13 <dahlia> shouldnt matter
2014-08-04 21:14 <nebadon> what is that alien named?
2014-08-04 21:15 <nebadon> oh nevermind
2014-08-04 21:15 <nebadon> i found one at OKC Sandbox2
2014-08-04 21:15 <dahlia> Alien
2014-08-04 21:15 <nebadon> creative on my part
2014-08-04 21:15 <nebadon> lol
2014-08-04 21:16 <nebadon> just waiting on inventory to finish downloaded, had cache cleared
2014-08-04 21:16 <dahlia> time for a break  *comes back in 3 hours*
2014-08-04 21:17 <dahlia> ;)
2014-08-04 21:17 <nebadon> ok, no snapping back for me dahlia
2014-08-04 21:17 <nebadon> i made the alien quite large, maybe 50-60m tall
2014-08-04 21:18 <nebadon> then drug one of the toes clear across to other side of the region no problem
2014-08-04 21:18 <dahlia> which viewer?
2014-08-04 21:18 <lkalif> is grid manager set to opensim for the grid you're logging into?
2014-08-04 21:18 <nebadon> Replex 64bit (6004)
2014-08-04 21:19 <dahlia> have you altered any settings?
2014-08-04 21:19 <nebadon> i dont think so however
2014-08-04 21:19 <nebadon> there is that setting in grid managert
2014-08-04 21:19 <nebadon> that says make it SL compatible or not
2014-08-04 21:19 <nebadon> maybe that is it
2014-08-04 21:19 <lkalif> nebadon: will you copy paste what I said
2014-08-04 21:19 <lkalif> dahlia might have muted me lol
2014-08-04 21:19 <nebadon> can you see what lkalif is saying dahlia?
2014-08-04 21:19 <nebadon> lol
2014-08-04 21:19 <nebadon> [17:18] <lkalif> is grid manager set to opensim for the grid you're logging into?
2014-08-04 21:19 <dahlia> I didnt mute you, I didnt think you were talking to me
2014-08-04 21:20 <nebadon> hehe
2014-08-04 21:20 <nebadon> rofl
2014-08-04 21:20 <dahlia> can I access grid manager without logging out?
2014-08-04 21:20 <nebadon> hmm
2014-08-04 21:21 <nebadon> yes
2014-08-04 21:21 <nebadon> Grid Tab in preferences
2014-08-04 21:21 <dahlia> meh *logs out
2014-08-04 21:21 <nebadon> select your grid
2014-08-04 21:21 <nebadon> hit "Advanced"
2014-08-04 21:21 <nebadon> oh but i just looked
2014-08-04 21:21 <nebadon> i dont have that set on OSgrid
2014-08-04 21:21 <dahlia> Platform says OpenSim
2014-08-04 21:21 <nebadon> so i guess that is not it
2014-08-04 21:21 <nebadon> there is the Rendering Compatibility box, thats what I was thinking of
2014-08-04 21:21 <lkalif> make sure Platform is OpenSim and Rendering Compatibily ticked off if you want to disable prim size limits
2014-08-04 21:22 <nebadon> but it appears that is not a factor
2014-08-04 21:22 <nebadon> oh you do want it checked?
2014-08-04 21:22 <nebadon> or uncheck? i have it checked 
2014-08-04 21:22 <lkalif> unchecked disables limits iirc
2014-08-04 21:22 <nebadon> right
2014-08-04 21:22 <lkalif> for hollow and stuff
2014-08-04 21:22 <nebadon> thats what I thought, I dont think that makes a differnece in this case
2014-08-04 21:22 <dahlia> ok rendering compatability was checked
2014-08-04 21:23 <lkalif> was worth checking that the plarform is set to OpenSim
2014-08-04 21:23 <nebadon> thats only thing I can think of that would make it snap back
2014-08-04 21:23 <nebadon> other than camera constraints and limit select distance
2014-08-04 21:23 <dahlia> nope still snaps
2014-08-04 21:23 <dahlia> do I need to relog?
2014-08-04 21:23 <nebadon> it physically moves?
2014-08-04 21:23 <nebadon> or you just cant move it any further?
2014-08-04 21:24 <nebadon> like if you let go it moves back?
2014-08-04 21:24 <dahlia> if I try to move a toe at all it snaps up to waist level
2014-08-04 21:24 <nebadon> oh
2014-08-04 21:24 <nebadon> i feel like i have experienced that before
2014-08-04 21:24 <nebadon> but cant remember now 
2014-08-04 21:25 <lkalif> Í wonder if  its sim or the viewer doing it
2014-08-04 21:25 <nebadon> oh
2014-08-04 21:25 <nebadon> i know what it is
2014-08-04 21:25 <dahlia> I think its viewer because I dont think its tried to communicate the move yet
2014-08-04 21:25 <nebadon> you have max prim size maybe set
2014-08-04 21:25 <nebadon> let me see what i have max non physical  prim size
2014-08-04 21:25 <nebadon> the toes are cut torus right?
2014-08-04 21:25 <lkalif> dahlia: try on the same sim deb is trying
2014-08-04 21:25 <dahlia> I think so
2014-08-04 21:26 <nebadon> wondering if maybe your only seeing like 5% of the prim
2014-08-04 21:26 <lkalif> neb*
2014-08-04 21:26 <nebadon> im checking my sandbox settings now
2014-08-04 21:26 <dahlia> let me log in there. what region?
2014-08-04 21:27 <nebadon> in OpenSim.ini check the NonPhysicalPrimMax =
2014-08-04 21:27 <nebadon> i have it set to 256
2014-08-04 21:27 <nebadon> however i think thats the default
2014-08-04 21:27 <dahlia> I have default
2014-08-04 21:27 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-04 21:27 <nebadon> its OKC Sandbox2
2014-08-04 21:27 <nebadon> on OSgrid
2014-08-04 21:27 <dahlia> tp me?
2014-08-04 21:28 <nebadon> sure
2014-08-04 21:28 <nebadon> you know
2014-08-04 21:28 <nebadon> one thing different here
2014-08-04 21:28 <nebadon> it still runs ODE
2014-08-04 21:28 <nebadon> sent
2014-08-04 21:31 <dahlia> hmmm lets me do it there
2014-08-04 21:31 <nebadon> i wonder if its a bug with Bulletsim
2014-08-04 21:31 <nebadon> try going to Sisyphus
2014-08-04 21:31 <nebadon> and repeat test there
2014-08-04 21:32 <nebadon> hmm
2014-08-04 21:33 <nebadon> sisyphus may need a kick
2014-08-04 21:33 <nebadon> i cant teleport
2014-08-04 21:33 <nebadon> strange
2014-08-04 21:33 <dahlia> oh
2014-08-04 21:33 <dahlia> ok I put the foot underground
2014-08-04 21:33 <nebadon> its restarting
2014-08-04 21:33 <dahlia> and it snaps
2014-08-04 21:33 <nebadon> oh
2014-08-04 21:33 <dahlia> so maybe its because its below ground
2014-08-04 21:33 <nebadon> ya I dont think you can push stuff too far underround in a linkset
2014-08-04 21:33 <nebadon> yes
2014-08-04 21:34 <nebadon> definitely is
2014-08-04 21:34 <nebadon> its always been that way I think
2014-08-04 21:34 <dahlia> is that viewer or sim?
2014-08-04 21:34 <nebadon> hmm
2014-08-04 21:34 <nebadon> good question, i never thought about it
2014-08-04 21:34 <nebadon> seems more like something the viewer would do to me
2014-08-04 21:34 <nebadon> i really do not recall us ever doing anything specifically to limit that
2014-08-04 21:35 <nebadon> its not really in our nature to limit things like that on the simulator side with opensim
2014-08-04 21:35 <nebadon> if we did its aincent
2014-08-04 21:35 <dahlia> I thought bulletsim had something to do with it but you're running ode
2014-08-04 21:35 <nebadon> i sort of always remember it doing that
2014-08-04 21:35 <nebadon> ya
2014-08-04 21:35 <dahlia> ok well at least I have evidence it's when below ground
2014-08-04 21:36 <nebadon> ok ya that doesnt surprise me at all
2014-08-04 21:36 <nebadon> i want to say thats normal behavior
2014-08-04 21:36 <nebadon> probably something LL did to prevent you from easily losing prims in the ground
2014-08-04 21:36 <nebadon> who knows
2014-08-04 21:37 <dahlia> I know Ive had stuff below ground in SL before but I moved it with a script
2014-08-04 21:37 <nebadon> ah
2014-08-04 21:37 <nebadon> well you should be able to move the enitre object underground
2014-08-04 21:37 <nebadon> just not parts of the linkset
2014-08-04 21:37 <dahlia> that doesnt make sense to me to limit parts of the linkset
2014-08-04 21:37 <lkalif> it's probably the sim doing it if it doesn¨t happen in every sim
2014-08-04 21:37 <nebadon> I think it does
2014-08-04 21:37 <dahlia> it does
2014-08-04 21:38 <dahlia> well it does on both mine and nebadon's
2014-08-04 21:38 <lkalif> ah, so it depends on where the object is
2014-08-04 21:38 <lkalif> if you list the whole linkset in the air it works?
2014-08-04 21:38 <dahlia> the link part doesnt want to go below ground
2014-08-04 21:38 <dahlia> root is way above
2014-08-04 21:38 <nebadon> ya
2014-08-04 21:39 <nebadon> ive experience that many times and I suspect you would experience same behavior in SL
2014-08-04 21:39 <nebadon> i cant tell you how many times ive been working on a linkset
2014-08-04 21:39 <nebadon> and my camera suddenly rotates 180 degress
2014-08-04 21:39 <dahlia> oh I hate that
2014-08-04 21:39 <nebadon> sending my child prim 100s of meters away or into the sky
2014-08-04 21:40 <dahlia> camera constraints is another PITA
2014-08-04 21:40 <nebadon> maybe LL did that to prvent things from being lost in the ground
2014-08-04 21:40 <nebadon> dunno
2014-08-04 21:40 <nebadon> with 30m link limit in SL though
2014-08-04 21:40 <nebadon> how far could it go
2014-08-04 21:40 <nebadon> lol
2014-08-04 21:40 <nebadon> maybe its just bad design
2014-08-04 21:40 <dahlia> camera constraints should automatically disable when edit window is open
2014-08-04 21:41 <dahlia> well I need to go to the store. bbiab
2014-08-04 21:41 <nebadon> kk
2014-08-04 21:41 <lkalif> ttyl
2014-08-04 21:54 <NickyP> I think SL link limit was increased to 54m
2014-08-04 21:55 <NickyP> and possibly 60
2014-08-04 22:09 <Plugh> NickyP: I didn't see the earlier comments. Which limit is 54m?
2014-08-04 22:09 <Plugh> I'm having trouble with a var region. I get a couple of error messages and no idea what they really mean or how to fix the issues. http://pastebin.com/j5fDh9Qn
2014-08-04 22:10 <lkalif> linkset size
2014-08-04 22:10 <Plugh> BTW, that is for a var that is 10 x 10
2014-08-04 22:11 <Plugh> lkalif: huh?
2014-08-04 22:11 <lkalif> 54m is the maximum size of a linkset on sl
2014-08-04 22:11 <lkalif> or perhaps 60
2014-08-04 22:11 <lkalif> somewhere around there
2014-08-04 22:11 <NickyP> nebadon: I am on sandbox plaza II and am able to move 2 linked assemblies under ground.
2014-08-04 22:12 <lkalif> NickyP: not the whole thing. edit linked parts and move one below
2014-08-04 22:15 <nebadon> ya i think its just the child prims
2014-08-04 22:16 <NickyP> center of the linked assembly is at 20 and ground is at 22
2014-08-04 22:17 <NickyP> Plugh link ability
2014-08-04 22:18 <NickyP> one below and one above ground
2014-08-04 22:19 <nebadon> I didnt actually test it this time myself
2014-08-04 22:19 <nebadon> i have experienced it
2014-08-04 22:23 <Plugh> I've seen the link distance limit when working on a large building.
2014-08-04 22:39 <justincc> hi lkalif, are you around?
2014-08-04 22:47 <lkalif> justincc: hi, partially
2014-08-04 22:48 <justincc> lkalif: did you see me pull request from a little while ago on libomv github?
2014-08-04 22:48 <lkalif> the one about prebuild?
2014-08-04 22:48 <justincc> yes
2014-08-04 22:49 <lkalif> yes, I have seen it. wanted to test if it causes trouble but didn't have time to yet
2014-08-04 22:49 <justincc> ok cool.  I'm probably going to have a few more soon as I work my way through pCampbot issues
2014-08-04 22:49 <lkalif> is it something urgent opensim-wise?
2014-08-04 22:49 <lkalif> ah ok, cool
2014-08-04 22:50 <justincc> not really since it's pcampbot but it's still a pain to have to patch in my own DLLs.  WIll be good to get these patches in or feedback on them once I put in the pull req
2014-08-04 22:50 <lkalif> ok, will make sure it's pulled during the next day
2014-08-04 22:50 <lkalif> I mean tomorrow
2014-08-04 22:50 <justincc> thanks
2014-08-04 22:51 <lkalif> my language processor fails me :p
2014-08-04 22:59 <dahlia> what's preguild got to do with dlls?
2014-08-04 22:59 <dahlia> *prebuild
2014-08-04 22:59 <justincc> nothing, but I have further commits that are changes to actual libomv code, which I haven't yet put in a pull req
2014-08-04 23:00 <justincc> partly because I need to check that one of the earlier changes isn't causing some of the issues that I'ms seeing now
2014-08-04 23:08 <Plugh> Any thoughts on -> http://pastebin.com/j5fDh9Qn
2014-08-04 23:09 <smxy> It says you max packet size is too small
2014-08-04 23:09 <smxy> your*
2014-08-04 23:09 <Plugh> 256M is too small?
2014-08-04 23:10 <smxy> line 20 and 21 ...
2014-08-04 23:10 <lkalif> Plugh: there is something wrong with your mysql setting
2014-08-04 23:10 <lkalif> I doubt it's set for 256m
2014-08-04 23:10 <Plugh> I know that it keeps saying that. How big do I have to keep increasing it to before it will accept the packet. I don't even know what packet it is complaining about.
2014-08-04 23:10 <lkalif> 1) you are the only one seeing the attack of those messages
2014-08-04 23:11 <smxy> perhaps posting your cnf file might be useful. 
2014-08-04 23:11 <Plugh> I'm the only one (so far) reporting the messages.
2014-08-04 23:11 <lkalif> possibly off-by-one order of magnite setting or soemthing
2014-08-04 23:11 <Plugh> I have it set to 256M
2014-08-04 23:11 <lkalif> or mysql is not reading that config file
2014-08-04 23:12 <Plugh> If it didn't read it it wouldn't be finding the data files.
2014-08-04 23:13 <lkalif> i'd tripple check the configuration and find a way to verify
2014-08-04 23:13 <lkalif> there is some mysql command to show the settings
2014-08-04 23:14 <justincc> Plugh: you're trying to load a terrain from a file called 'O5'? and '5'?
2014-08-04 23:14 <Plugh> The packet size is responsible for -> Unable to load heightmap, no file loader available for that format.
2014-08-04 23:14 <Plugh> or OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.EventManager [EVENT MANAGER]: Delegate  for TriggerOnPluginConsole failed - continuing.  unable to load  heightmap from file 05: no loader available for that format?
2014-08-04 23:23 <lkalif> justincc: you know what. it's much easier if you commit directly. you got a github acct?
2014-08-04 23:24 <justincc> yes, justincc
2014-08-04 23:28 <lkalif> I think you should be able to push directly to https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse.git now
2014-08-04 23:28 <lkalif> or the ssh version of that
2014-08-04 23:28 <lkalif> git@github.com:openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse.git
2014-08-04 23:30 <justincc> lkalif: great, thanks.  I'll try that out soon.  Not tonight since I'm a bit tired myself and don't want to screw anything up
2014-08-04 23:31 <justincc> it does look like I should be able to
2014-08-04 23:31 <lkalif> great thing about git (and version control in general) is that any potential screwup is just temporary and easy to undo
2014-08-04 23:31 <lkalif> so no big deal
2014-08-04 23:31 <justincc> true
2014-08-04 23:32 <dahlia> ok so I have more evidence. I have the alien in my standalone and it's scaled up really huge, maybe 100ish meters total size. I have it partially underground, maybe knee level. I have ground and water rendering turned off. I try to edit the toenail and it snaps up to knee level whenever I try to move it with the gizmo. When I enter "terrain fill 0" in opensim console, I can then move the toenail back down. 
2014-08-04 23:33 <lkalif> evidence of what?
2014-08-04 23:33 <dahlia> so something seems to definately be preventing me from moving a child prim much below ground level, even if the root is above
2014-08-04 23:33 <lkalif> would be nice to know what is doing it
2014-08-04 23:34 <lkalif> ie. sim or viewer
2014-08-04 23:34 <dahlia> ya
2014-08-04 23:34 <justincc> on the surface, sounds like it could be a phys thing
2014-08-04 23:34 <dahlia> its not physical
2014-08-04 23:34 <dahlia> and it happens in ode or bullet
2014-08-04 23:34 <justincc> ok
2014-08-04 23:54 <Plugh> justincc, no. That data is supposed to come from the database. Those 5 and 05 look like they are part of some string possibly left in a buffer from some earlier message.
2014-08-04 23:55 <Plugh> I fixed the allowed packet size thing. Turns out that MySQL on the Windows box had a second max_allowed setting much further down the file which overrode the earlier one.
2014-08-04 23:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #3742 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-05 00:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3742: SUCCESS in 9 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3742/
2014-08-05 00:01 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Make currently unfiltered EventQueue log messages only appear now at DebugLevel 1
2014-08-05 00:04 <dahlia> ok its definately the viewer doing it. I ctrl-c'd the sim while still connected and tried to move a prim that was below ground and it snapped
2014-08-05 00:05 <dahlia> no way the sim could have done it because it wasnt running
2014-08-05 00:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #3743 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-08-05 00:11 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Allow "show bots" pCampbot console command to quickly report status by not locking entire bot list for almost 100% of connection time.
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2014-08-05 00:19 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Put pCampbot "disconnect" command on separate thread like "connect" so that we can continue to run status commands whilst bots are disconnecting.
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2014-08-05 00:42 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Go back to disconnecting bots in parallel since serially is too slow.
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2014-08-05 01:29 <Plugh> Has something changed in the communication with the external registration used by DataSnapshot module? I'm seeing yellow text saying that it was unable to parse the response.
2014-08-05 02:02 <AliciaRaven> plug, have u seen this...
2014-08-05 02:02 <AliciaRaven> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7291
2014-08-05 02:03 <AliciaRaven> maybe datasnapshot has changed recently but i dont think it has, i havnt upgraded in a few weeks but i havnt seen any problems
2014-08-05 02:04 <AliciaRaven> going back to my bottle of wine now, future responses may be unintelagible lol
2014-08-05 02:05 <MisterBlue> 
ACTION raises a glass to Alicia incoherancy 

2014-08-05 02:10 <AliciaRaven> 
ACTION waves at MisterBlue and falls off her chair

2014-08-05 02:12 <nebadon> hey MisterBlue
2014-08-05 02:12 <MisterBlue> hey Nebadon
2014-08-05 02:12 <nebadon> I assume your wanting to test what I was talking about before with NPCs?
2014-08-05 02:13 <nebadon> I don't really have a ready to go kit
2014-08-05 02:14 <nebadon> mine was kind of complicated, im not even sure i remember how it works now been a while since I actually used it I could however put it into an oar maybe for you if your interested in messing with it
2014-08-05 02:17 <MisterBlue> LOL... that's not a very good sales pitch :)
2014-08-05 02:25 <MisterBlue> but I'd like to try it out. I used a modified TestClient for bots before but that used a lot of memory and CPU
2014-08-05 02:54 <nebadon> ok Misterblue_ i will get you something packed up
2014-08-05 02:54 <nebadon> i need to clean it up a bit
2014-08-05 02:54 <nebadon> its OKC Sandbox2
2014-08-05 02:55 <nebadon> give me a few ive needed to clean that region up for a while anyway
2014-08-05 02:55 <SammyG3> Rockon71
2014-08-05 06:34 <newbie|2> you awake nebadon
2014-08-05 06:34 <newbie|2> ?
2014-08-05 11:24 <lkalif> hmm, profiles lookups on osgrid seem to time out
2014-08-05 11:25 <lkalif> only from my home location, my network seems to be having issues
2014-08-05 11:26 <lkalif> nebadon_: if you update your viewer, the destination guide you were asking for is there
2014-08-05 11:26 <lkalif> smxy: ^
2014-08-05 14:56 <Plugh> Is there anyone around who is also using the DataSnapshot module in OpenSim? I'm seeing yellow text in 0.8-post-fixes when the module tries to (de-)register itself with the external PHP file. It is expecting some sort of reply (of up to 1024 bytes) which it isn't getting. I added 'echo "OK"' to the PHP file in case it just wanted something back but that made no difference.
2014-08-05 14:57 <Plugh> I also wonder why it uses GET instead of POST.
2014-08-05 14:57 <luciussir> what does that even do ?
2014-08-05 15:00 <Plugh> It is passing information to an external PHP file so a record of the OS instance can be added/removed from a database table. The database table is used by the ossearch parser so it knows what instances exist and need to be parsed for information about what objects/parcels can be indexed to be searched for later by users.
2014-08-05 15:08 <Plugh> The register/de-register is working but the exception that is triggered prevents the module from working so it doesn't respond to requests for data.
2014-08-05 15:20 <nebadon_> Plugh i noticed that earlier to on on of my regions when i restarted it
2014-08-05 15:20 <nebadon_> some yellow message on startup about datasnapshot
2014-08-05 15:20 <nebadon_> i didnt have time to inspect the problem, and I kind of just assumed at that moment it was some kind of fluke
2014-08-05 15:20 <nebadon_> maybe not though
2014-08-05 15:21 <Plugh> Nope, not a fluke. It is very consistent. I noticed it in my grid when I was dealing with an issue related to a var. I see the same thing on my local standalone.
2014-08-05 15:21 <Plugh> The exception is in line 402 of OpenSim/Region/DataSnapshot/DataSnapshotManager.cs
2014-08-05 15:22 <nebadon_> ok
2014-08-05 15:22 <nebadon_> wonder when that started
2014-08-05 15:22 <Plugh> I don't know if something changed in the module or I just never noticed it before but I'd be surprised if I hadn't seen it before.
2014-08-05 15:23 <nebadon_> it must be semi-recent because i don't really recall seeing it much before either
2014-08-05 15:23 <Plugh> I did a preliminary look through the changelog history for that file and haven't found what might have started that.
2014-08-05 15:23 <nebadon_> perhaps i just never noticed though 
2014-08-05 15:23 <Plugh> I haven't been running master much so I don't know how recent this might be.
2014-08-05 15:23 <Plugh> not much while it was in development.
2014-08-05 15:24 <nebadon_> the fact that we both only noticed it for the first time today is telling
2014-08-05 15:24 <nebadon_> must be fairly recent
2014-08-05 15:24 <Plugh> The PHP module does register/de-register the OS instance but the module never enables itself because of that exception.
2014-08-05 15:24 <nebadon_> yea the error i saw said soemthing about memory
2014-08-05 15:24 <Plugh> If it returns from that function it will set the module to active on the next line.
2014-08-05 15:25 <Plugh> memory? Hm... don't recall seeing a memory reference.
2014-08-05 15:25 <Plugh> 
ACTION looks again

2014-08-05 15:25 <nebadon_> 09:03:25 - [DATASNAPSHOT]: Unable to decode reply from data service. Ignoring.   at System.IO.MemoryStream.CheckIfClosedThrowDisposed () [0x0000b] in /root/install/mono-3.4.1/mono/mcs/class/corlib/System.IO/MemoryStream.cs:139
2014-08-05 15:25 <nebadon_>   at System.IO.MemoryStream.Read (System.Byte[] buffer, Int32 offset, Int32 count) [0x00045] in /root/install/mono-3.4.1/mono/mcs/class/corlib/System.IO/MemoryStream.cs:251
2014-08-05 15:25 <nebadon_>   at OpenSim.Region.DataSnapshot.DataSnapshotManager.NotifyDataServices (System.String servicesStr, System.String serviceName) [0x0010d] in /home/nebadon/osgrid/okc_sandbox2/OpenSim/Region/DataSnapshot/DataSnapshotManager.cs:402
2014-08-05 15:25 <nebadon_> MemoryStream.cs:251
2014-08-05 15:26 <Plugh> http://pastebin.com/PrTtFvCj
2014-08-05 15:27 <Plugh> Same error as me except you have an extra line number mentioned that mine doesn't mention.
2014-08-05 15:27 <nebadon_> ya wierd
2014-08-05 15:28 <nebadon_> you are using mono --debug?
2014-08-05 15:28 <Plugh> yes
2014-08-05 15:28 <nebadon_> maybe its the version of mono
2014-08-05 15:28 <nebadon_> using Repo mono? or compile yourself?
2014-08-05 15:28 <Plugh> I recently ran a clean operation and rebuilt as I had to do that having recently updated my Linux distro and updated to new (or at least different) mono version.
2014-08-05 15:29 <Plugh> Built from 0.8-post-fixes repo.
2014-08-05 15:29 <Plugh> I'm using mono 3.2.8
2014-08-05 15:29 <nebadon_> ok
2014-08-05 15:29 <nebadon_> im running master git, just updated this morning, and mono 3.4.1
2014-08-05 15:30 <Plugh> ok. Same problem so it doesn't appear related to mono version.
2014-08-05 15:30 <Plugh> I suppose it might be using a GET to verify that it was able to successfully contact the external PHP file.
2014-08-05 15:31 <Plugh> I'll compare the module against 076PF
2014-08-05 15:31 <nebadon_> k
2014-08-05 15:34 <NickyP> Concerning the child prim edit under ground/terrain comments. I think there is a prim size issue in play. On osgrid/sandbox II. A default cube cannot be moved under the terrain surface completely. A 20x20x20 can be moved under.  
2014-08-05 15:34 <Plugh> The only difference in NotifyDataServices() is that it 0.8PF contacts the external PHP file inside a a { } block that starts with -> using (RestClient cli = new RestClient(url))
2014-08-05 15:38 <nebadon_> i bleive NickyP that you can only move a prim as far down as the center of mass
2014-08-05 15:38 <Plugh> nebadon_: I'm rebuilding with that function set the way it was before to see if it makes a difference.
2014-08-05 15:39 <smxy> lkalif: Re: DG. Sweeet. Thanks!
2014-08-05 15:39 <nebadon_> so a larger prim will appear to go deeper than a 0.5m cube would
2014-08-05 15:39 <nebadon_> great, Plugh, thanks
2014-08-05 15:39 <nebadon_> ya I need to update and test that
2014-08-05 15:39 <nebadon_> let me do that now smxy
2014-08-05 15:40 <Plugh> nebadon_: yup. That fixed it. No yellow text
2014-08-05 15:40 <nebadon_> ok
2014-08-05 15:40 <nebadon_> can you try to figure out who changed that?
2014-08-05 15:40 <Plugh> nebadon_: I think it oren but I'll double check.
2014-08-05 15:40 <nebadon_> we should try to figure out why it was changed before reverting that
2014-08-05 15:40 <nebadon_> ok
2014-08-05 15:41 <lkalif> smxy: LiruCookies made it
2014-08-05 15:41 <nebadon_> wow a lot of revisions between replex versions
2014-08-05 15:41 <nebadon_> 6004 > 6120
2014-08-05 15:42 <nebadon_> hmm not sure why this is lkalif
2014-08-05 15:42 <nebadon_> but a lot of the time when i upgrade replex i get an error about cant replace the vivox dlls
2014-08-05 15:43 <nebadon_> oh geez
2014-08-05 15:43 <nebadon_> i have like 10 SLvoice.exes running still
2014-08-05 15:43 <nebadon_> what the hell
2014-08-05 15:44 <nebadon_> wonder what is up with that
2014-08-05 15:44 <nebadon_> that might explain why i was having voice trouble on Avacon grid last week
2014-08-05 15:44 <nebadon_> i havent rebooted since then
2014-08-05 15:44 <nebadon_> i ended up using a different computer
2014-08-05 15:44 <Plugh> nebadon_: It was changed in commit e41e52e0 by Oren (orenh) with the commit message "Close streams immediately when we finish using them". I wonder if that change was a mistake and snuck in along with the other changes in that commit.
2014-08-05 15:45 <nebadon_> could be
2014-08-05 15:45 <nebadon_> orenh ping
2014-08-05 15:45 <Plugh> I was just about to do that. :)
2014-08-05 15:46 <smxy> LiruCookies: Sweeet. Thanks. :)
2014-08-05 15:47 <LiruCookies> smxy: What'd I do?
2014-08-05 15:48 <nebadon_> lkalif how do i bring up the Destination Guide?
2014-08-05 15:48 <nebadon_> or LiruCookies?
2014-08-05 15:48 <LiruCookies> World->Destinations
2014-08-05 15:48 <nebadon_> k
2014-08-05 15:48 <nebadon_> k cool works
2014-08-05 15:48 <LiruCookies> (You can make a toolbar button, methinks... it might not be exposed yet, ToolbarVisibleDestinations
2014-08-05 15:49 <LiruCookies> I think it might not be visible because I don't have a nice dynamic way of hiding it.
2014-08-05 15:49 <nebadon_> ok
2014-08-05 15:49 <lkalif> LiruCookies: you didn't implement the debug setting for showing it on login?
2014-08-05 15:49 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Sure I did
2014-08-05 15:49 <lkalif> which debug setting is it?
2014-08-05 15:50 <Plugh> nebadon_: can you check when orenh was last seen to say something?
2014-08-05 15:50 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Not in the same commit, because I had unstaged stuff.
2014-08-05 15:50 <LiruCookies> DestinationGuideShown
2014-08-05 15:50 <LiruCookies> just like you asked
2014-08-05 15:51 <nebadon_> quite some time ago
2014-08-05 15:51 <nebadon_> i dont have datestamps enabled in my IRC client
2014-08-05 15:51 <nebadon_> last conversation i see he had was with LiruCookies
2014-08-05 15:51 <nebadon_> how long ago was that Liru?
2014-08-05 15:51 <Plugh> ok. I can only see as far back as when I logged in this morning.
2014-08-05 15:52 <LiruCookies> Sec
2014-08-05 15:52 <lkalif> LiruCookies: is it per-user?
2014-08-05 15:52 <Plugh> I don't understand that use of "using" in C# to know how it might affect the code.
2014-08-05 15:52 <LiruCookies> lkalif: No, none of the show floater settings are per accounts
2014-08-05 15:52 <nebadon_> ok my logs had the date
2014-08-05 15:52 <nebadon_> it was the 31st Plugh
2014-08-05 15:53 <Plugh> oh. that was quite a while ago.
2014-08-05 15:53 <nebadon_> ya 
2014-08-05 15:53 <nebadon_> just about a week ago
2014-08-05 15:53 <nebadon_> 6 days
2014-08-05 15:53 <nebadon_> hes lingering im sure
2014-08-05 15:53 <nebadon_> he is in UK so its dinner'ish time
2014-08-05 15:53 <lkalif> nebadon_: you destination guide needs some CSS magic
2014-08-05 15:54 <nebadon_> yes
2014-08-05 15:54 <lkalif> nebadon_: your guide http://i.imgur.com/f6GdQt5.png
2014-08-05 15:54 <nebadon_> i stole AI's code from his website
2014-08-05 15:54 <lkalif> SL http://i.imgur.com/hc09r8w.png
2014-08-05 15:54 <nebadon_> was being lazy
2014-08-05 15:54 <lkalif> you see they skinned the scrollbar somehow too
2014-08-05 15:54 <nebadon_> i will clean that up before the conference
2014-08-05 15:54 <nebadon_> ya that is easy
2014-08-05 15:54 <nebadon_> just css
2014-08-05 15:54 <Plugh> nebadon_: ok. We know the cause of the issue. Just have to wait to ask him about it.
2014-08-05 15:54 <nebadon_> yea
2014-08-05 15:55 <nebadon_> if he doesnt show up shortly maybe email him
2014-08-05 15:56 <nebadon_> shame there is no way with javascript or something we could size the window any size we want and place it exactly where we want it on the screen
2014-08-05 15:56 <nebadon_> id be very surprised if we could actually do that inside the LL viewer
2014-08-05 15:56 <nebadon_> might be worth testing to see if it responds like a html popup window would
2014-08-05 15:56 <nebadon_> for me the destination guide window was small like in your screenshot too
2014-08-05 15:57 <nebadon_> the scroll bar was downbehind the toolbar at the bottom though
2014-08-05 15:57 <nebadon_> i had to move the window before i could scroll
2014-08-05 15:57 <lkalif> I think that's the same default as in V3
2014-08-05 15:57 <nebadon_> ya probably is
2014-08-05 15:57 <orenh> did someone mention my name?
2014-08-05 15:57 <nebadon_> hey orenh
2014-08-05 15:57 <nebadon_> plugh was looking for you
2014-08-05 15:57 <lkalif> ah yes, default position might be off-screen slightly
2014-08-05 15:57 <orenh> I see, something about closing streams
2014-08-05 15:57 <LiruCookies> Yeah, it is
2014-08-05 15:57 <nebadon_> problem with datasnapshot in master code, that traced back to one of your patches
2014-08-05 15:57 <nebadon_> yes
2014-08-05 15:58 <orenh> what is the question?
2014-08-05 15:58 <LiruCookies> I just don't like playing with debug setting reects much
2014-08-05 15:58 <nebadon_> well we just wanted to understand the reason for the change
2014-08-05 15:58 <nebadon_> before just reverting code
2014-08-05 15:58 <LiruCookies> lkalif: You're welcome to contribute a better one
2014-08-05 15:58 <Plugh> A change in commit e41e52e0 broke the DataSnapshot module.
2014-08-05 15:58 <nebadon_> trying to determine if core code should be changed, or the module itself needs updating
2014-08-05 15:58 <orenh> why revert?
2014-08-05 15:58 <orenh> its purpose is to ensure streams are closed
2014-08-05 15:58 <orenh> that wasn't always done diligently
2014-08-05 15:59 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Also do so for the default avatar picker if you do so.
2014-08-05 15:59 <nebadon_> ya some how its breaking datasnapshot now though
2014-08-05 15:59 <Plugh> orenh: Part of it needs to be changed. Line 376 of OpenSim/Region/DataSnapshot/DataSnapshotManager.cs was changed.
2014-08-05 15:59 <lkalif> LiruCookies: I thought that DestinationGuideShown would track the state of the floater so it rememered the last state
2014-08-05 15:59 <Plugh> orenh: It is now wrapped in a "using" and is triggering an exception from that function
2014-08-05 15:59 <LiruCookies> lkalif: It does
2014-08-05 16:00 <lkalif> LiruCookies: doesn't appear to
2014-08-05 16:00 <LiruCookies> Sec.
2014-08-05 16:00 <Plugh> orenh: The exception means the DataSnapshot module is never enabled.
2014-08-05 16:00 <nebadon_> this is what happens now orenh > http://pastebin.com/JhnRYurC
2014-08-05 16:00 <Plugh> orenh: I was wondering if a change slipped in by mistake.
2014-08-05 16:01 <lkalif> LiruCookies: I set to True manually, relog, destination guide show, all fine. I close the floater, the debug setting is still True. Same if I set it to false, opening the floiater doesn't chage debug setting to True
2014-08-05 16:01 <orenh> I see
2014-08-05 16:01 <orenh> I'll fix it soon
2014-08-05 16:01 <nebadon_> thanks :)
2014-08-05 16:01 <LiruCookies> Woof?!
2014-08-05 16:01 <Plugh> orenh: great, ty.
2014-08-05 16:01 <LiruCookies> HAh, I bet I hooked it up wrong
2014-08-05 16:02 <LiruCookies> Hm.. is it not control_name?
2014-08-05 16:04 <LiruCookies> Actually
2014-08-05 16:04 <LiruCookies> I think I'll add code for this
2014-08-05 16:04 <LiruCookies> Because this should be coded.
2014-08-05 16:05 <nebadon_> also if its possible
2014-08-05 16:05 <nebadon_> please make the window open up at the top of the screen
2014-08-05 16:05 <LiruCookies> Again
2014-08-05 16:05 <nebadon_> right now for some reason the scroll bar ends up behind the toolbar at the bottom
2014-08-05 16:05 <LiruCookies> I am not going to fiddle ith rects blindly
2014-08-05 16:05 <Plugh> Liru, why not. Could be fun.  ;)
2014-08-05 16:06 <LiruCookies> If you want to contribute a better rect, go right ahead...
2014-08-05 16:06 <nebadon_> rect?
2014-08-05 16:06 <lkalif> LiruCookies: does it use same numbers as rects in V3?
2014-08-05 16:06 <lkalif> nebadon_: rectangle in setting.xml
2014-08-05 16:06 <nebadon_> oh
2014-08-05 16:06 <LiruCookies> lkalif: PFf, probably not, that is aligned topleft.
2014-08-05 16:06 <nebadon_> is that what determines the coordinates of where its located?
2014-08-05 16:06 <lkalif> 4 numbers describing the position
2014-08-05 16:06 <LiruCookies> We're bottomleft or was it bottomright?
2014-08-05 16:07 <LiruCookies> The two middle are the dimensions, I think
2014-08-05 16:08 <lkalif> nebadon_: it's DestinationGuideRect in your settings.xml on a virgin system
2014-08-05 16:08 <lkalif> or in your settings_replexalpha.xml (or whatever local setting)
2014-08-05 16:08 <nebadon_> ok
2014-08-05 16:09 <LiruCookies> I think negative may fair well, but I'm sleepy so I dunno
2014-08-05 16:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #3746 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-05 16:10 <lkalif> yeah those numbers mean 0,0 at bottom left, and if you use negative it's from top? something like that lol
2014-08-05 16:11 <LiruCookies> Yeah
2014-08-05 16:11 <LiruCookies> negative is from the top, or so...
2014-08-05 16:11 <LiruCookies> (as long as other rects are NOT involved, if they are, it gets very tricky)
2014-08-05 16:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3746: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3746/
2014-08-05 16:14 <osjenkins> orenh: Fixed premature closing of the connection in DataSnapshotManager
2014-08-05 16:15 <nebadon_> im testing now
2014-08-05 16:16 <nebadon_> the last patch that is, not the viewer thign
2014-08-05 16:16 <orenh> great
2014-08-05 16:16 <NickyP> nebadon_: where is a destinations guide test grid/sim?
2014-08-05 16:17 <nebadon_> yep works thanks orenh
2014-08-05 16:17 <nebadon_> the OSCC grid
2014-08-05 16:17 <orenh> ok, great
2014-08-05 16:17 <nebadon_> do you have a local account there NickyP?
2014-08-05 16:17 <NickyP> yes
2014-08-05 16:17 <nebadon_> ok
2014-08-05 16:18 <nebadon_> I will eventually get one setup on OSgrid
2014-08-05 16:18 <nebadon_> just have not had a chance yet
2014-08-05 16:18 <NickyP> are the accounts from last year still active?
2014-08-05 16:18 <LiruCookies> Yes
2014-08-05 16:18 <nebadon_> i set it up on the OSCC grid first at the request of Ai Austin
2014-08-05 16:19 <nebadon_> yes NickyP
2014-08-05 16:19 <NickyP> does it work if you HG in?
2014-08-05 16:20 <nebadon_> hmm
2014-08-05 16:20 <nebadon_> i had not tested
2014-08-05 16:20 <nebadon_> i would be surprised if it does
2014-08-05 16:20 <nebadon_> but let me test
2014-08-05 16:21 <LiruCookies> Does Destinations Guide? No, there wasn't Destinations Guide support for hypergrid until recently (I literally pushed it yesterday)
2014-08-05 16:21 <nebadon_> ok
2014-08-05 16:21 <nebadon_> thanks Liru
2014-08-05 16:21 <LiruCookies> And it was only out on opensim since like last week?
2014-08-05 16:22 <lkalif> and both grids in hg, and regions can override
2014-08-05 16:23 <nebadon_> is that in core now?
2014-08-05 16:23 <lkalif> yes
2014-08-05 16:23 <nebadon_> ok
2014-08-05 16:23 <nebadon_> i'll be updating OSCC grid in a bit
2014-08-05 16:24 <nebadon_> just waiting to see if justin pushes anything in last minute
2014-08-05 16:24 <lkalif> you need to put it in robust.hg ini or some such
2014-08-05 16:24 <nebadon_> ok
2014-08-05 16:24 <BlueWall_AFK> there is experimental support already in and I'm working on cleaning up and testing now
2014-08-05 16:24 <nebadon_> ok great
2014-08-05 16:24 <BlueWall_AFK> there will be some config changes in the final
2014-08-05 16:25 <BlueWall> in the exp version, there is an added service and config section.
2014-08-05 16:26 <BlueWall> the final will remove that and use the GridService and existing config sections.
2014-08-05 16:26 <nebadon_> ok maybe I will wait for that then
2014-08-05 16:26 <nebadon_> and we can test it next week
2014-08-05 16:26 <BlueWall> ok
2014-08-05 16:27 <nebadon_> most people probably wont have proper viewers anyway
2014-08-05 16:27 <nebadon_> so testing will be limited anyway
2014-08-05 16:27 <BlueWall> right
2014-08-05 16:49 <LiruCookies> lkalif: I don't think I should push another alpha until I can get Cinder to fix her break
2014-08-05 16:49 <LiruCookies> lkalif: What say you?
2014-08-05 16:49 <LiruCookies> lkalif: There's also Shyotl's break, which is graphical
2014-08-05 16:49 <LiruCookies> (only on macs)
2014-08-05 16:51 <lkalif> what is fixed?
2014-08-05 17:03 <LiruCookies> lkalif: control_name in floaer now works like I thought it should (toggles with visibility of the floater)
2014-08-05 17:04 <LiruCookies> lkalif: lkalif Allow edot menu to work while on login screen (cut/copty/paste)
2014-08-05 17:04 <LiruCookies> copy*
2014-08-05 17:05 <lkalif> that's nice
2014-08-05 17:07 <LiruCookies> lkalif: And, if we're lucky, and I don't e lucky, there's one more thing I want to get in before falling asleep
2014-08-05 17:09 <velusuniverse> hey all back after a long time of leave, will be going back onto the php website design for opensim again soon, just need to work on my own systems first and set them all up for running my business, then i will start back on the project for creating a web portal for the open sim system. i will have to start back from scratch again as well the old computer i had blew up due to a thunder storm (damm cheap surge 
2014-08-05 17:09 <velusuniverse> protectors) 
2014-08-05 17:10 <velusuniverse> LiruCookies, thanks for saying sleep you made me yawn again lol
2014-08-05 17:10 <velusuniverse> does anyone know if much has changed in the data base structure in the last 6-9 months
2014-08-05 17:11 <LiruCookies> All your data base are belong to us, now.
2014-08-05 17:12 <velusuniverse> lol yeah ok ??? how did you get it off my system lol
2014-08-05 17:12 <nebadon_> I dont think so velusuniverse
2014-08-05 17:12 <velusuniverse> also can you retrive all my personal data of there cos i need my photos back and all that my hdd is fried litterally
2014-08-05 17:12 <nebadon_> should be pretty much the same if not exactly the same in terms of structure
2014-08-05 17:12 <nebadon_> nothing that would break a web interface
2014-08-05 17:13 <velusuniverse> ok, im having to re do the whole web interface and im thinking of going for a fully mvc system but a custom one instead (i.e im creating the mvc my self)
2014-08-05 17:13 <velusuniverse> but i still have all the papaers on the db structure (i do two coppies of my work 1 hdd and one pen and papper
2014-08-05 17:15 <velusuniverse> also has someone got a small server i could use a a tester 
2014-08-05 17:15 <lkalif> LiruCookies: negative numbers don't seem to work for foater position, but I have a reasonably nice default
2014-08-05 17:16 <lkalif> LiruCookies: change DestinationGuideRect to 30, 505, 580, 275
2014-08-05 17:16 <lkalif> should give you 550x230 floater (as in V3)
2014-08-05 17:16 <diva> lkalif, I just downloaded the new version of replex, but it looks like it doesn't play music. 
2014-08-05 17:16 <lkalif> with about 200px tall web part inside
2014-08-05 17:17 <lkalif> diva: open prefs, audio video, there is media filter, set it to Off
2014-08-05 17:17 <lkalif> diva: is being worked on
2014-08-05 17:17 <lkalif> in the meanwhile  you can disable
2014-08-05 17:18 <diva> let me check.
2014-08-05 17:18 <diva> disable what?
2014-08-05 17:18 <lkalif> set media filter to off in prefs, audio & video
2014-08-05 17:19 <lkalif> http://i.imgur.com/B8ZwxIn.png
2014-08-05 17:20 <diva> ok that worked.
2014-08-05 17:20 <diva> why is it doing that now?
2014-08-05 17:20 <lkalif> there is completely new media filter thingie
2014-08-05 17:20 <LiruCookies> velusuniverse: We moved zig. (delayed response, terrible connection)
2014-08-05 17:20 <lkalif> and it got bugs
2014-08-05 17:20 <nebadon> i hate the media filter
2014-08-05 17:21 <velusuniverse> ???
2014-08-05 17:21 <nebadon> i understand its importance in SL
2014-08-05 17:21 <velusuniverse> whats zig?
2014-08-05 17:21 <nebadon> but in opensim its kind of annoying
2014-08-05 17:21 <LiruCookies> velusuniverse: nevermind~
2014-08-05 17:21 <lkalif> nebadon: just turn it off :P
2014-08-05 17:21 <nebadon> i do hehe
2014-08-05 17:22 <lkalif> nebadon: you will have to turn it off again now. since there is a new one
2014-08-05 17:22 <LiruCookies> lkalif: is that top down?
2014-08-05 17:22 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-05 17:22 <LiruCookies> 
ACTION is super sleepy, doesn't want to mess up.

2014-08-05 17:23 <lkalif> LiruCookies: should be about mid-screen top to bottom, towrds the left
2014-08-05 17:23 <lkalif> - doesn't work
2014-08-05 17:23 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Hm?!
2014-08-05 17:23 <lkalif> so can't place it at top
2014-08-05 17:23 <LiruCookies> Oh
2014-08-05 17:23 <LiruCookies> That's a minus sign
2014-08-05 17:23 <LiruCookies> I read it as a grammatical dash
2014-08-05 17:24 <lkalif> hehe
2014-08-05 17:24 <lkalif> LiruCookies: but yeah wait for cinder to fix the media filter at least
2014-08-05 17:24 <lkalif> for the next alpha
2014-08-05 17:24 <lkalif> seems to be affecting everyone
2014-08-05 17:25 <LiruCookies> If we're lucky
2014-08-05 17:25 <LiruCookies> Shyotl will fix the mac issue too!
2014-08-05 17:26 <lkalif> We I said as a minumum media filter. The more the marrier
2014-08-05 17:27 <lkalif> LiruCookies: I would also flip destination guide to on as default
2014-08-05 17:27 <lkalif> if they close it it gets shown only once
2014-08-05 17:27 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Old timers will flip
2014-08-05 17:27 <lkalif> it never existed before
2014-08-05 17:27 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Exactly!
2014-08-05 17:28 <nebadon> if its a one time thing I think complains would be very limited
2014-08-05 17:28 <lkalif> I don't see people getting upset about having to close a floater once
2014-08-05 17:28 <nebadon> me either
2014-08-05 17:28 <LiruCookies> There are a bunch of people who panic that new stuff will be shoved in their faces, I haven't done that yet, why should I do it now?
2014-08-05 17:28 <lkalif> and it would make grids happy
2014-08-05 17:28 <lkalif> I'll flip it in Replex then ;(
2014-08-05 17:28 <LiruCookies> This is why I think grids should have a way to spawn it
2014-08-05 17:28 <lkalif> ;)
2014-08-05 17:29 <LiruCookies> Or.. hm..
2014-08-05 17:29 <LiruCookies> I bet I could chain it with some other stuff that's first run only
2014-08-05 17:29 <BlueWall> what viewers support those dynamic menus ?
2014-08-05 17:29 <LiruCookies> Singularity only.
2014-08-05 17:30 <lkalif> LiruCookies: don't complicate it
2014-08-05 17:30 <LiruCookies> Well, Singularity derived only
2014-08-05 17:30 <BlueWall> any instructions out there about using it?
2014-08-05 17:30 <LiruCookies> if (first_run) DestinationGuideShown=true;
2014-08-05 17:30 <LiruCookies> BlueWall: Ask Melaie.
2014-08-05 17:30 <lkalif> LiruCookies: don't do that
2014-08-05 17:30 <LiruCookies> Melanie*
2014-08-05 17:31 <lkalif> don't be so stubborn ffs
2014-08-05 17:31 <BlueWall> rightok, thanks
2014-08-05 17:31 <LiruCookies> That's the only way to do it to prevent it being shoved in everyone's face if it's on by default.
2014-08-05 17:32 <lkalif> whatever
2014-08-05 17:32 <lkalif> I'll undo damage you make
2014-08-05 17:32 <LiruCookies> I just won't do it then..
2014-08-05 17:32 <lkalif> that's fine
2014-08-05 17:32 <lkalif> better than some overcomplication
2014-08-05 17:54 <nebadon> just a heads up to everyone, Wright Plaza meeting will be starting shortly about 6 minutes
2014-08-05 17:54 <nebadon> then 1 hour later is the OSCC Load test
2014-08-05 19:13 <NickyP> what region for load test?
2014-08-05 19:15 <lkalif> http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 Keynote 1
2014-08-05 19:15 <lkalif> (hg tp from osgrid)
2014-08-05 19:28 <Plugh> bah. I crashed the viewer again. 
2014-08-05 19:28 <Plugh> oh, well. I'm going to call it quits and go out for a while now that the rain has stopped.
2014-08-05 19:33 <nebadon> i am frozen
2014-08-05 19:34 <lkalif> i am frozen too
2014-08-05 19:35 <lkalif> it's like 99.99% dead
2014-08-05 19:35 <zadark> data flowing again
2014-08-05 19:36 <JoeRadik> It seems my 3 avis recovered
2014-08-05 19:37 <nebadon> ya its up and down 
2014-08-05 19:37 <nebadon> its not completely failed yet
2014-08-05 19:37 <nebadon> i lost 3 bots total
2014-08-05 19:37 <nebadon> but they all reconnected
2014-08-05 20:51 <luciussir> where is a good placeto host bots ?
2014-08-05 20:53 <osmantis> Bug #7292:04 first-run errors with database postgresql and mysql.... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7292 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2014-08-05 22:11 <Plugh> Does World.GetScenePresence() only fetch data for an avatar that is logged in?
2014-08-05 22:23 <AliciaRaven> Plugh, yes and only in the specific scene
2014-08-05 22:25 <Plugh> ok, thanks. I might have found what I need since finding that function.
2014-08-05 23:26 <Plugh> I have a patch I'm testing that restricts the destination address when using llEmail(). I want to make the restriction optional by use of an INI setting. Should I put the setting in the SMTP section?
2014-08-05 23:28 <justinccAfk> depends.  If it's for all e-mail then I would say so.  If it's sopecifically for llEmail() then it may be more appropriate in [LL-Functions]
2014-08-05 23:30 <Plugh> This is just for llEmail(). I want to have the option of only sending email to an avatars registered email address so it can't be used by griefers/spammers.
2014-08-05 23:31 <justincc> then I would say LL-Functions
2014-08-05 23:31 <Plugh> Um... where is that located?
2014-08-05 23:32 <Plugh> oh. OpenSimDefaults only.
2014-08-05 23:32 <justincc> OpenSimDefaults.ini.  If this should be almost always left at default it should be there.  If it's going to be something users are likely to change then you could add a section to OpenSim.ini.example
2014-08-05 23:34 <Plugh> I suppose it depends whether people feel it should be on or off by default.
2014-08-05 23:35 <justincc> why would one restrict by default?
2014-08-05 23:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #3747 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-05 23:36 <Plugh> If this code change will wind up in the main code repo there should be an entry in Defaults. The default setting can be false.
2014-08-05 23:36 <justincc> sure
2014-08-05 23:37 <Plugh> I've been getting requests now and then from people who say they need llEmail for their vendors. I wasn't prepared to open up llEmail for general use without being able to restrict its use.
2014-08-05 23:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3747: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3747/
2014-08-05 23:39 <osjenkins> jjustincc: refactor: Rename recent new Client*UpdateTolerance to Root*UpdateTolerance for better accuracy and consistency with other similar parameters
2014-08-05 23:44 <Plugh> Is there a standard for setting names? I see ones like RecoilScaleFactor and other settings like email_pause_time.
2014-08-05 23:44 <justincc> irritatingly, no.  As far as possible, make it consistent with the settings already in that section
2014-08-05 23:46 <justincc> of course, here both are used...  When In doubt go with the capitalized word approach
2014-08-05 23:47 <Plugh> ok.
2014-08-05 23:53 <Plugh> I wonder why some LL-Function settings are retrieved and placed in to variables used in LSL_Api.cs while others are retrieved on the fly.
2014-08-05 23:54 <justincc> because consistency is an undervalued virtue
2014-08-05 23:55 <Plugh> justincc: What's your preference? I was going to add a variable so it can be set once and the var used in the llEmail() routine.
2014-08-05 23:56 <justincc> I prefer the small amount of memory for a variable compared to the cpu work of reading the setting every time
2014-08-05 23:56 <Plugh> I was thinking the same thing.
2014-08-05 23:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #3748 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-06 00:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3748: FAILURE in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3748/
2014-08-06 00:02 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add RootPositionUpdateTolerance, RootRotationUpdateTolerance, and RootVelocityUpdateTolerance parameters to [InterestManagement] in OpenSimDefaults.ini
2014-08-06 00:04 <Plugh> justincc: I'm using RestrictEmail as the setting name. Since it will appear in [LL-Functions] I think it might be clear that it only affects the llEmail function but I could add more text in the comments before the setting if needed).
2014-08-06 00:04 <justincc> I think that's fine.  
2014-08-06 00:04 <Plugh> ok.
2014-08-06 00:12 <Plugh> oh, nuts. I have to reboot. bbiab.
2014-08-06 00:14 <osmantis> Bug #7293:04 Setting PRIM_BUMP_SHINY or PRIM_GLOW on a prim that already has a normal map or specular map fails to clear advanced mats 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7293 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-08-06 00:14 <osmantis> Bug #7293:04 Setting PRIM_BUMP_SHINY or PRIM_GLOW on a prim that already has a normal map or specular map fails to clear advanced mats 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7293 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006824.
2014-08-06 00:14 <osmantis> Bug #6824:04 script method to get/set materials textures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6824 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007293.
2014-08-06 00:15 <osmantis> Bug #7293:04 Setting PRIM_BUMP_SHINY or PRIM_GLOW on a prim that already has a normal map or specular map fails to clear advanced mats 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7293 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-06 00:17 <osmantis> Bug #7293:04 Setting PRIM_BUMP_SHINY on a prim that already has a normal map or specular map fails to clear advanced mats 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7293 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-08-06 00:21 <Plugh> Hm... interesting. The LoadConfig() routine in LSL_Api is called for every script that gets loaded.
2014-08-06 00:29 <justincc> ok, time for me to get some rest.  See you tomorrow, Plugh
2014-08-06 02:15 <zadark> Anyone know the number of warnings to be expected when building opensim dev/master on linux/mono?
2014-08-06 02:17 <AllenKerensky> zadark building r/25083 I got 110 warnings
2014-08-06 02:17 <AllenKerensky> on Mono 3.4
2014-08-06 02:18 <AllenKerensky> and each of the revs posted by osgrid - comes in around 100-120 warnings on average
2014-08-06 02:18 <zadark> AllenKerensky: Thanks for that, I have 109.. looks good then.. thanks
2014-08-06 02:42 <Plugh> yea, its down from what it used to be.
2014-08-06 02:42 <Plugh> IIRC, 076 had a little over\ 300
2014-08-06 02:47 <zadark> I seem to remember it being higher, hence the query.
2014-08-06 02:56 <zadark> It will also depend if it is a clean build, xbuild /t:clean prior to xbuild
2014-08-06 02:57 <zadark> I now have 181 warnings
2014-08-06 02:59 <dahlia> one problem is mono has different warnings than visual studio so those of us who dev on windows dont see the mono warnings
2014-08-06 02:59 <dahlia> fwiw I usually try to make sure any of my code doesnt have warnings
2014-08-06 03:00 <dahlia> *usually* ;)
2014-08-06 03:01 <zadark> Same here, that is I normally test on windows where I have visual studio available. The warnings on mono I  now ignore, which is also not a good thing.
2014-08-06 03:32 <dahlia> zadark: well I build on visual studio and deploy from there so I never compile from mono at all
2014-08-06 03:32 <dahlia> I just use the windows binaries on linux
2014-08-06 16:05 <osmantis> Bug #7294:04 Adding banned clients in OpenSim.ini throws exception and disables all logins to regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7294 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-08-06 16:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #3749 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #3747 16 hr ago)
2014-08-06 16:12 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2014-08-06 16:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3749: FIXED in 8 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3749/
2014-08-06 16:12 <osjenkins> orenh: Fixed crash when using Allowed/Denied Viewers, and the viewer's name is shorter than one of the test strings
2014-08-07 00:12 <nebadon> NickyP ping
2014-08-07 00:12 <nebadon> just saw your emails
2014-08-07 00:12 <NickyP> yes
2014-08-07 00:13 <NickyP> the problem is likely in llveiwernetwork.cpp
2014-08-07 00:14 <nebadon> i dont understand what you mean about in the second email
2014-08-07 00:14 <nebadon> about ip resolving
2014-08-07 00:14 <nebadon> ?
2014-08-07 00:16 <NickyP> in llhost there is a look up of IP that should return the grid name. 
2014-08-07 00:16 <NickyP> that seems not to be working on the grids that trigger a crash
2014-08-07 00:18 <NickyP> I think I lost the handling of that in a merge
2014-08-07 00:19 <nebadon> hmm
2014-08-07 00:19 <nebadon> it would be wierd that OSCC wasnt
2014-08-07 00:20 <nebadon> its a very stock setup
2014-08-07 00:20 <nebadon> i mean i have robust split up a little
2014-08-07 00:20 <nebadon> but there isnt even nginx on that grid
2014-08-07 00:20 <nebadon> no load balance or anything
2014-08-07 00:21 <NickyP> that is been troubling me also why it works perfectly on osgrid and then fails elsewhere
2014-08-07 00:22 <nebadon> right osgrid is pretty exotic setup
2014-08-07 00:22 <NickyP> can you whois the OSCC IP and get the name?
2014-08-07 00:24 <nebadon> sure give me a minute
2014-08-07 00:26 <nebadon> not sure exactly what you want NickyP from whois?
2014-08-07 00:27 <nebadon> net-name?
2014-08-07 00:27 <NickyP> enter 10.10.10.10 and retrive oscc,net
2014-08-07 00:27 <nebadon> wait what?
2014-08-07 00:27 <NickyP> example
2014-08-07 00:28 <nebadon> i don't understand
2014-08-07 00:28 <nebadon> whois 10.10.10.10?
2014-08-07 00:28 <NickyP> ping the ip and see if the name returns
2014-08-07 00:29 <Plugh> A ping of oscc.net returns -> url-forwarding.moniker.com
2014-08-07 00:29 <nebadon> what is oscc.net?
2014-08-07 00:29 <nebadon> the address is cc.opensimulator.org
2014-08-07 00:30 <NickyP> this was an example not actual
2014-08-07 00:30 <nebadon> right ok
2014-08-07 00:30 <nebadon> when i ping i only see the ip address
2014-08-07 00:30 <nebadon> opensimulator controls the domain
2014-08-07 00:30 <nebadon> we just have a subdomain pointing to an ip address on the University Campus data center
2014-08-07 00:30 <nebadon> UCI
2014-08-07 00:30 <Plugh> I'm getting names when I ping
2014-08-07 00:31 <Wanderer_42> i tried tracert. that shows the names
2014-08-07 00:31 <nebadon> when you ping the ip address?
2014-08-07 00:34 <nebadon> i cant really think of anything on that server in particular that would be much different than osgrid
2014-08-07 00:34 <nebadon> running similar versions of mono
2014-08-07 00:34 <NickyP> ok
2014-08-07 00:34 <NickyP> thanks for checking
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2014-08-07 01:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #3750 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2014-08-07 01:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3750: SUCCESS in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3750/
2014-08-07 01:08 <osjenkins> bluewall: OpenSimExtras
2014-08-07 01:29 <osmantis> Bug #7295:04 duplicate help commands 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7295 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-08-07 01:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #3751 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-07 01:38 <osmantis> Bug #7295:04 duplicate help commands 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7295 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-08-07 01:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3751: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3751/
2014-08-07 01:41 <osjenkins> bluewall: Fix short help string for show region command.
2014-08-07 01:45 <danbanner> thanks BlueWall
2014-08-07 01:50 <BlueWall> sure
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2014-08-07 03:47 <Misterblue_> nebadon: have been playing with your sandbox oar (demo scene)... while BulletSim makes mistakes, I can't get ODE to work at all
2014-08-07 03:47 <Misterblue_> do you expect ODE to work?
2014-08-07 03:50 <nebadon> yea should work
2014-08-07 03:50 <nebadon> my OKC Sandbox2 is running ODE now
2014-08-07 03:50 <nebadon> i kept one region on ODE for testing
2014-08-07 03:51 <nebadon> i dont recall having to do anyting special for ODE
2014-08-07 03:52 <Misterblue_> humm... the avatars aren't rezzing and moving properly for me
2014-08-07 03:52 <Misterblue_> 
ACTION wonder's what he's doing wrong

2014-08-07 03:55 <nebadon> ya i just double checked to be sure, 100% on ODE
2014-08-07 03:56 <nebadon> ive seen that region running for 60+ days and the npcs were still moving
2014-08-07 03:58 <nebadon> going over the OpenSim.ini i dont see anything unusual either
2014-08-07 03:58 <nebadon> Misterblue_ windows or linux?
2014-08-07 03:58 <nebadon> i have not ever tested this on a windows server
2014-08-07 03:58 <Misterblue_> windows
2014-08-07 03:58 <nebadon> hmm
2014-08-07 03:59 <nebadon> well thats one difference
2014-08-07 03:59 <nebadon> i have not done any opensim testing on windows in a long time
2014-08-07 03:59 <nebadon> even on my windows machines i run opensim in a linux vm
2014-08-07 04:05 <lkalif> that's not very smart lol
2014-08-07 04:06 <nebadon> works great
2014-08-07 04:06 <nebadon> i do have fast disks though
2014-08-07 04:06 <nebadon> SSDs
2014-08-07 04:06 <nebadon> honestly i cant tell any difference in speed from the VM and the native os
2014-08-07 04:06 <nebadon> its very minimal difference 
2014-08-07 04:07 <lkalif> you are slowing down your sims by using mono bt an order of magnitude
2014-08-07 04:07 <lkalif> but matbe you like slow
2014-08-07 04:08 <lkalif> and unreliable under load
2014-08-07 04:08 <nebadon> i have to completely disagree
2014-08-07 04:08 <nebadon> i get much better performance in linux and mono with opensim
2014-08-07 04:08 <nebadon> sure .net is better overall
2014-08-07 04:08 <nebadon> but for opensim mono is more stable for me
2014-08-07 04:09 <nebadon> we could never have oscc on windows server
2014-08-07 04:09 <lkalif> some people disagree the earth is round too
2014-08-07 04:09 <nebadon> i certainly wouldnt anyway
2014-08-07 04:09 <lkalif> oscc would run much better on a windows server
2014-08-07 04:11 <nebadon> makes it much harder to manage though
2014-08-07 04:11 <nebadon> remote desktop blows
2014-08-07 04:12 <lkalif> that part is true
2014-08-07 04:12 <nebadon> im not convinced it would run better though
2014-08-07 04:12 <nebadon> my testing proved otherwise
2014-08-07 04:12 <nebadon> at best its no different
2014-08-07 04:12 <nebadon> mono is considerably better now
2014-08-07 04:13 <nebadon> there were a few things that did work slightly better in windows
2014-08-07 04:13 <nebadon> but nothing the average person would or should do
2014-08-07 04:13 <nebadon> like the Kline Bottle rezzer
2014-08-07 04:13 <nebadon> more reliable on .net
2014-08-07 04:13 <nebadon> it rezzes like 60k prims in like 15 minutes
2014-08-07 04:13 <nebadon> its quite harsh
2014-08-07 04:13 <lkalif> mono threads are supper slow
2014-08-07 04:14 <lkalif> its HTTPWebClient implementation is a joke
2014-08-07 04:14 <nebadon> do we use that?
2014-08-07 04:14 <lkalif> it deadlocks, like written by I nine year old
2014-08-07 04:14 <nebadon> lol
2014-08-07 04:15 <lkalif> even Miguel knows mono blows performance wise
2014-08-07 04:15 <lkalif> trying to fix it and hiring a "perfrormance team"
2014-08-07 04:15 <nebadon> ya be nice to see what improvements there are
2014-08-07 04:15 <Misterblue_> like nebadon says, many successful and performant OS regions are running on mono
2014-08-07 04:16 <nebadon> I know overall .net is better but there is a lot of the high performance .net stuff we are just not usingh
2014-08-07 04:16 <lkalif> so arguing that mono inside vm on windos would run better than native .net is just... well "intelligent design" level argument lol
2014-08-07 04:16 <nebadon> I think thats why opensim performs about the same
2014-08-07 04:16 <nebadon> well all I can say is it works the same for me but I like linux and mono better
2014-08-07 04:17 <nebadon> way easier to manage
2014-08-07 04:17 <lkalif> it works the same for a mostly idle sim perhaps
2014-08-07 04:17 <nebadon> good hardware helps
2014-08-07 04:18 <lkalif> Misterblue_: .net is faster than mono. especially on the same machine and not inside a vm
2014-08-07 04:18 <AllenKerensky> guess we need a C# front end for LLVM and then you can compile it all to LLVM IR and then to whatever backend you want - Windows, Linux, whatever as native.
2014-08-07 04:18 <Misterblue_> I knew that to be very true several years ago. they are much closer now
2014-08-07 04:19 <nebadon> I am certain .net does a lot of stuff better
2014-08-07 04:19 <nebadon> but i am not sure any of that stuff has much bearing on opensim
2014-08-07 04:19 <nebadon> threading is better for sure, but only when you are really pushing the sim hard
2014-08-07 04:19 <nebadon> harder than almost anyone sane would
2014-08-07 04:20 <nebadon> and mostly only with scripting
2014-08-07 04:20 <lkalif> opensim developers have spent a lot of time trying to work around mono performanc issues
2014-08-07 04:20 <AllenKerensky> sounds like a cool paper topic regardless
2014-08-07 04:20 <lkalif> why do you think there are 4-5 ways to thread opensim?
2014-08-07 04:20 <AllenKerensky> trace the code paths through .net and mono - compile differences - etc
2014-08-07 04:20 <lkalif> because you need to find a mode where mono sucks the least
2014-08-07 04:21 <nebadon> I have found they all work pretty well in linux now
2014-08-07 04:21 <nebadon> that was not true couple years ago
2014-08-07 04:21 <nebadon> even on mono 2.10.8
2014-08-07 04:21 <nebadon> it wasnt very good
2014-08-07 04:21 <nebadon> 3.2.8+ its a lot better
2014-08-07 04:21 <AllenKerensky> heh nebadon that region full of physical spheres sort of let you find and test a lot of bottlenecking
2014-08-07 04:21 <nebadon> ya Sisyhus had a crap load of physical prims once
2014-08-07 04:21 <nebadon> didnt crash
2014-08-07 04:21 <nebadon> you could even move still
2014-08-07 04:22 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/116133_physical_spheres_bulletsim2.png
2014-08-07 04:22 <nebadon> lol
2014-08-07 04:22 <nebadon> that was pretty amazing
2014-08-07 04:22 <AllenKerensky> honestly, I think that opensim building and running well on both runtimes makes opensim better code overall
2014-08-07 04:22 <AllenKerensky> apple did the same thing compiling Darwin for X86 initially - crosscompiling helped them fix a lot of code design issues
2014-08-07 04:25 <AllenKerensky> i wonder what the percentage difference in code would be if you removed the mono-specific workaround bits... less than 5%?
2014-08-07 04:25 <nebadon> id be surprised if its even that much
2014-08-07 04:25 <AllenKerensky> then it's doing better than Solaris X86 vs Solaris SPARC
2014-08-07 04:25 <nebadon> that would be around 25,000 lines of code maybe more
2014-08-07 04:26 <nebadon> i don't know what the recent line counts for opensim are
2014-08-07 04:26 <AllenKerensky> so 5% or less is a small price to pay for a wider OS support base
2014-08-07 04:26 <nebadon> id be surprised if that much code spereated .net and mono 
2014-08-07 04:29 <AllenKerensky> or windows and linux these days as much POSIX and other cross standards have been assimilated by the MS Borg
2014-08-07 04:30 <AllenKerensky> I did see a pretty nifty paper comparing code execution paths between apache http and IIS one time - really showed a lot of why IIS had such security problems
2014-08-07 04:30 <AllenKerensky> that sort of code path graph would be interesting for .net and mono
2014-08-07 04:31 <lkalif_> heh. 5 min ping timeout
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2014-08-07 04:42 <nebadon> heh woops 
2014-08-07 04:43 <lkalif> that freenode server crashd lol
2014-08-07 04:44 <nebadon> ya i accidently just misclicked and closed this tab
2014-08-07 14:35 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUI0t_y3ckI
2014-08-07 14:36 <BlueWall> Haa, nice
2014-08-07 14:37 <nebadon> yea pretty cool
2014-08-07 14:40 <Misterblue> the virtual world needs more shaders!
2014-08-07 14:42 <BlueWall> 
ACTION thinks that nebadon is already thinking about making prims for funhouse mirrors :)

2014-08-07 14:42 <nebadon> hehe
2014-08-07 14:43 <Misterblue> when you've got the graphics card, what's a few more rendering passes :)
2014-08-07 14:43 <lkalif> oh, I just read the mailing list thread where Misterblue proposes a revolution
2014-08-07 14:44 <lkalif> the only thing missing on the wish list there is permanent solution to isreal - palestine problem
2014-08-07 14:44 <lkalif> and you're all set
2014-08-07 14:44 <Misterblue> 
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2014-08-07 14:44 <nebadon> lol
2014-08-07 14:44 <lkalif> it's going to be modular, and amazing, and super duper, and also run on crap arm chips on tablets, and...
2014-08-07 14:44 <velus> yay i may stilol have my old stuff at my old place
2014-08-07 14:45 <nebadon> yea I think that including mobile is a fantasy right now
2014-08-07 14:45 <Misterblue> only ARM chips with killer GPUs attached :)
2014-08-07 14:45 <nebadon> mobile hardware is just not good enough
2014-08-07 14:45 <velus> and that mirror stuff is cool
2014-08-07 14:45 <nebadon> even the ones with killer chips probably couldnt do Second Life well
2014-08-07 14:46 <lkalif> My take: killer feature of SL-like virtual worlds is user generated content (UGC)
2014-08-07 14:46 <lkalif> UGC is HARD to render
2014-08-07 14:46 <nebadon> yea
2014-08-07 14:46 <lkalif> it's not optimized
2014-08-07 14:46 <nebadon> thats what i was saying to diva yesterday
2014-08-07 14:46 <Misterblue> NVidia is pushing some good chips into mobile... Lumiya does pretty well on my NVidia based tablet
2014-08-07 14:46 <lkalif> 90% of the game performance in the professional games is the content
2014-08-07 14:47 <lkalif> not the engine
2014-08-07 14:47 <lkalif> diva does not want to listen to this
2014-08-07 14:47 <nebadon> ya but Lumiya is capped at 96m max
2014-08-07 14:47 <lkalif> she wants fancy graphics - but you cannot compare the viewer
2014-08-07 14:47 <nebadon> on my tablet its quite terrible
2014-08-07 14:47 <Misterblue> that's very true lkalif... thousands of little pieces just can't be rendered
2014-08-07 14:47 <nebadon> mines not the greatest
2014-08-07 14:47 <nebadon> ya i was going over the development costs of some of the newer games
2014-08-07 14:47 <Misterblue> most of the work of the professional artists is reducing graphics requirements
2014-08-07 14:47 <lkalif> because performance and "fancy graphics" is ALL ABOUT CONTENT
2014-08-07 14:48 <nebadon> GTA5 cost 265 million USD to creat that game
2014-08-07 14:48 <nebadon> they are predicting the next call of duty will spend about 500 million in development
2014-08-07 14:48 <lkalif> People underestimate how good Linden code is
2014-08-07 14:48 <nebadon> http://gamerant.com/destiny-budget-500-million-activision/
2014-08-07 14:48 <lkalif> Linden viewer is AMAZING at rendering UGC - there is nothing like it out there
2014-08-07 14:48 <nebadon> thats about what it takes to get those fancy graphics
2014-08-07 14:48 <nebadon> hehe
2014-08-07 14:48 <lkalif> and you get it opensource and for free
2014-08-07 14:49 <nebadon> I agree
2014-08-07 14:49 <BlueWall> one thing I would like to see a viewer do is have the ability to break the water table into "parcels" so you could make ponds at different elevations.
2014-08-07 14:49 <nebadon> i am quite happy with the LL viewer
2014-08-07 14:49 <nebadon> however
2014-08-07 14:49 <nebadon> the render engine is good
2014-08-07 14:49 <nebadon> the UI is very inflexible
2014-08-07 14:49 <nebadon> I think one of the real goals of this viewer project
2014-08-07 14:49 <nebadon> is to simplify the viewer
2014-08-07 14:49 <nebadon> have an explorer mode
2014-08-07 14:49 <lkalif> UI is a hard task, so many different stakeholders
2014-08-07 14:50 <nebadon> with none of the menus and overly complicated modes exposed to visitors and newblets
2014-08-07 14:50 <lkalif> from the first time user, to experienced builder
2014-08-07 14:50 <nebadon> then have a builder mode for advanced users
2014-08-07 14:50 <diva> My main wish is for a viewer that is modular and that can be programmed server-side rather than having the features all hard-coded
2014-08-07 14:50 <diva> fancy graphics is always a good goal to have
2014-08-07 14:50 <nebadon> I do not hold much hope for a webgl based browser based viewer right now
2014-08-07 14:50 <nebadon> webgl is just not good enough
2014-08-07 14:51 <nebadon> not one that would replace the experience of the SL viewer anyway
2014-08-07 14:51 <BlueWall> what if we had a way to simplify content in the server?
2014-08-07 14:51 <nebadon> webgl suffers the same problems that mobile does
2014-08-07 14:51 <nebadon> your content has to be highly optimized
2014-08-07 14:51 <nebadon> meaning 99% of the UGC that latif is talking about
2014-08-07 14:51 <Misterblue> can the optimization be automated?
2014-08-07 14:51 <lkalif> Misterblue: no
2014-08-07 14:51 <nebadon> maybe
2014-08-07 14:51 <lkalif> NO
2014-08-07 14:51 <nebadon> but ya probably not
2014-08-07 14:52 <Misterblue> what is the 'map/reduce' operation for 3d content?
2014-08-07 14:52 <nebadon> id like to think nothing is impossible
2014-08-07 14:52 <nebadon> but there are no good free ways to do it right now
2014-08-07 14:52 <nebadon> that is for sure
2014-08-07 14:52 <Misterblue> 'no' within some bounds and 'yes' within some bounds
2014-08-07 14:52 <lkalif> Just read about convex decomposition and how badly automation does
2014-08-07 14:52 <nebadon> ya
2014-08-07 14:52 <nebadon> it pretty much sucks
2014-08-07 14:52 <lkalif> and also try auto-generating mesh LOD levels
2014-08-07 14:52 <nebadon> even converting models with blender to just different formats
2014-08-07 14:52 <nebadon> can be very complicated and annoying
2014-08-07 14:52 <Misterblue> doing perfect composition or decomposition is hard
2014-08-07 14:52 <lkalif> there are a million PhD out there about mesh simplification
2014-08-07 14:52 <lkalif> and all of them are crap
2014-08-07 14:53 <Misterblue> but does a combined view of a city in the distance have to be perfect?
2014-08-07 14:53 <BlueWall> ++
2014-08-07 14:53 <Misterblue> Google made seaches work by not doing perfect prediction/scraping/extracting
2014-08-07 14:53 <lkalif> Misterblue: look at mesh simplification the viewer does for the lower lods when uploading mesh
2014-08-07 14:53 <BlueWall> something like the old layerd gif images in html
2014-08-07 14:53 <nebadon> you run into other issues with decomp to
2014-08-07 14:53 <nebadon> like preserving texture mapping
2014-08-07 14:54 <nebadon> joints and bones
2014-08-07 14:54 <Misterblue> I've also looked at the tools in some of the mesh editors -- you apply and tweek
2014-08-07 14:54 <nebadon> you cant just clobber geometry willy nilly
2014-08-07 14:54 <nebadon> thats for sure
2014-08-07 14:54 <Misterblue> certainly not good enough to take the artist out of the loop
2014-08-07 14:54 <nebadon> ya
2014-08-07 14:55 <nebadon> having a virtual world that is native app and truly spans all platforms has never been done I dont think
2014-08-07 14:55 <lkalif> I have been inside game development houses. you would not belive how much care is taken when generating content. about not having windows, not having "leaks" between walls so object-object occulsion can work, about each triangle when modeling characters
2014-08-07 14:55 <nebadon> where all platforms acccess the same content on the same back end
2014-08-07 14:55 <nebadon> ya
2014-08-07 14:56 <Misterblue> rats... I have to run
2014-08-07 14:56 <Misterblue> ttfn
2014-08-07 14:56 <nebadon> 99% of getting the kind of content that looks like "Call of Duty" is the people making the models are extremely talented artists
2014-08-07 14:56 <lkalif> Plus, there is no manpower to do this in opensource fashion anyway... without a corporate backer willing to pay developers
2014-08-07 14:57 <nebadon> im pretty sure that if we unleashed one of EA's best modelrs on opensim the results would be stunning
2014-08-07 14:57 <lkalif> nebadon: yes
2014-08-07 14:57 <Misterblue> but lkalif is right, the current solutions take a lot of hand work
2014-08-07 14:57 <Misterblue> some of the stuff people already do with SL is stunning... then there is everything else :)
2014-08-07 14:57 <nebadon> haha ya
2014-08-07 14:57 <nebadon> but even the really good SL builders
2014-08-07 14:57 <nebadon> who are not professionals
2014-08-07 14:58 <nebadon> their models are slop compared to what game houses set the requirement too
2014-08-07 14:58 <nebadon> not optimized
2014-08-07 14:58 <lkalif> The simple truth is, you cannot both have high-performance stunning looking virtual world, and have regular people create it
2014-08-07 14:59 <lkalif> you will say upload 256x256 texture, and use bigger ones only when really neccessary
2014-08-07 14:59 <lkalif> and they will ask you "why I cannot have 2048x2048 textures"
2014-08-07 15:04 <diva> that's why the system being programmable is crucial. It allows operators of these environments to make radical decisions such as "textures around here are all automatically converted to 256x256". Not to mention the 2D UI. The core viewer should have no menus whatsoever. All menus and corresponding actions should come from the server.
2014-08-07 15:07 <lkalif> the thing is, sometimes you do want higher res texture, you cannot just make a policy. the content creator has to have some basic understanding of what he's doing
2014-08-07 15:07 <diva> it depends on the environment
2014-08-07 15:08 <diva> some of these environments are not for content creation themselves.
2014-08-07 15:08 <diva> they're collaboration spaces, where the content comes from elsewhere, or it's minimum
2014-08-07 15:08 <diva> so it depends
2014-08-07 15:08 <nebadon> you could use LOD and set lower LODs for less powerful devices, but its going to look absolutely horrible
2014-08-07 15:09 <diva> and because it depends so much on so many things everything should be programmable server side.
2014-08-07 15:09 <nebadon> unless you spend a huge amount of time creating 4 different models for each LOD
2014-08-07 15:09 <diva> much like the architecture of the web
2014-08-07 15:09 <nebadon> which is extremely painstaking work
2014-08-07 15:10 <nebadon> it makes content creation a lot more expensive
2014-08-07 15:12 <MarcelEdward> it is an illusion to think you can port a good looking sim full of stunning mesh wich looks awsome on you pc with the 2gig graphic card to an iphone or an android tabled and will also look fabulous.
2014-08-07 15:14 <diva> I don't thnk anyone thinks that. at least not around here. The discussion is how to reduce the complexity of such scenes automatically so they can render is lower-end devices
2014-08-07 15:14 <diva> reducing the complexity is a hard problem
2014-08-07 15:15 <nebadon> ya the only way in my mind to do that
2014-08-07 15:15 <nebadon> is you create 4 different models of the same thing
2014-08-07 15:15 <nebadon> each lower in complextiy
2014-08-07 15:15 <nebadon> and each model is a different LOD
2014-08-07 15:15 <nebadon> High, Medium, Low, Lowest
2014-08-07 15:15 <nebadon> you can do this now in the LL viewer
2014-08-07 15:15 <nebadon> when you upload mesh
2014-08-07 15:16 <nebadon> however the texture mapping has to be identical on all of them
2014-08-07 15:16 <nebadon> or it fails
2014-08-07 15:16 <nebadon> its a lot of work
2014-08-07 15:16 <nebadon> ill be surprised if this can ever be done automated
2014-08-07 15:16 <nebadon> i just dont see that being possible
2014-08-07 15:16 <nebadon> anyone who thinks it can has never worked in blender or 3dsmax
2014-08-07 15:16 <nebadon> making real models
2014-08-07 15:17 <nebadon> different shapes deform very differently
2014-08-07 15:17 <nebadon> i have never seen an automated decimate work
2014-08-07 15:17 <nebadon> not once
2014-08-07 15:17 <nebadon> it always requires lots of manual fixes, hours of work sometimes
2014-08-07 15:18 <nebadon> only time decimation could really be automated
2014-08-07 15:18 <nebadon> is if every surface on your model is completely flat
2014-08-07 15:18 <nebadon> short of that i dont see automation being possible to the extent it would be required to become optimized for mobile
2014-08-07 15:18 <nebadon> especailly avatars
2014-08-07 15:31 <MarcelEdward> I gues some sort of ray tracing 3d rendering could be done on the server side to take the complexity of rendering out of the viewer ?
2014-08-07 15:31 <nebadon> doubtful
2014-08-07 15:31 <nebadon> raytracing is really heavy stuff
2014-08-07 15:31 <nebadon> unless you have a GPU in the server that is insanely fast too
2014-08-07 15:32 <MarcelEdward> i doubt you will need a gpu for that since you would not render it to the server screen
2014-08-07 15:32 <nebadon> no but gpu can do ratracing alot faster than a cpu can
2014-08-07 15:32 <nebadon> orders of magintude faster
2014-08-07 15:33 <nebadon> need to be really careful about hitting the cpu to hard on the back end
2014-08-07 15:33 <nebadon> it wont scale
2014-08-07 15:43 <diva> Mobile is just one of the many platforms, and by far not the most important imo; nice to have, but I can live without tablets. The priorities, at least for me, are: (a) a decent renderer for web browsers that will support simple viewers of these environments for the masses, in addition to a standalone version that can use all the power natively; these two versions should have the same 
2014-08-07 15:43 <diva> architecture and be able to share a large portion of code, but... (b) modularity that will allow for complete server-side programmability of the features of these viewers, including accounting for the client-side platform -- a viewer that displays connected people as avatars is already assuming too much. ASM.js and emscripten are serious contenders for doing this; I'm glad Cinder thinks 
2014-08-07 15:43 <diva> we're close to being able to build some parts of viewers in it. Maybe we can finally rip the LL viewer to pieces, remove the UI entirely, and use what's left as the basis for a core viewer in asm.js or emscripten, and do the non-performance-critical stuff in JavaScript. Or maybe the LL viewer defies being broken down into pieces (as I suspect), in which case we need to use use some other 
2014-08-07 15:43 <diva> renderer that can do this.
2014-08-07 16:03 <AllenKerensky> that mirror texture setup could be a model for how to get the shader/void water to work on parcels at different elevations - make a "void water" texture that renders with the same shaders?
2014-08-07 16:04 <AllenKerensky> rather than a parcel/terrain change?
2014-08-07 16:40 <zadark> Alternative techniques to achieve higher resolution: https://research.nvidia.com/publication/cascaded-displays-spatiotemporal-superresolution-using-offset-pixel-layers
2014-08-07 18:04 <Plugh> Can SMTP_SERVER_HOST in OpenSim.ini be a domain name or must it be an IP address?
2014-08-07 18:11 <nebadon> I can not imagine why it would have to be an ip address
2014-08-07 18:13 <Plugh> ok.
2014-08-07 18:15 <Plugh> I'm testing out a patch for llEmail that will only allow mail to be sent to the avatars registered email address. The region console is telling me it can't connect to the SMTP server. The address it shows is that of the machine running the region and not the value I set in SMTP_SERVER_HOST.
2014-08-07 18:15 <Plugh> Trying to determine why the wrong IP address is shown.
2014-08-07 18:16 <Plugh> I can't even find the source of the error message
2014-08-07 18:20 <Plugh> D'oh. HOSTNAME not HOST
2014-08-07 18:22 <nebadon> heh
2014-08-07 18:22 <nebadon> that will do it
2014-08-07 18:26 <zadark> hi
2014-08-07 18:26 <zadark> woops
2014-08-07 18:47 <Plugh> It is working. :)
2014-08-07 18:51 <smxy> I'd be interested in that patch, Plugh.
2014-08-07 18:51 <smxy> If it's available, that is.
2014-08-07 18:52 <Plugh> I'll be filing a mantis with the change so it can be commented on before I commit the patch.
2014-08-07 19:13 <Plugh> smxy: I'm going to take a break. I'll file the mantis later.
2014-08-07 19:30 <smxy> No rush. :)
2014-08-07 21:56 <smxy> nebadon: is that you talking in that rock tutorial?
2014-08-07 21:57 <smxy> Or is that a share of someone else's tutorial?
2014-08-07 22:21 <smxy> nevermind. I see it's someone else's. Very nice though.
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2014-08-08 19:48 <Plugh> ah, the other code was moved inside the curly braces.
2014-08-08 19:48 <justincc> Plugh: could you remind me what the e-mail restriction was for?
2014-08-08 19:48 <diva> thanks justincc
2014-08-08 19:49 <Plugh> I suspected it broke because the using() made something local and not available after the closing }
2014-08-08 19:49 <justincc> no worries.  I have ported a lot of fixes 0.8-pf, perhaps a few more than usual.  I may make a point release sometime soon but just don't have time right now
2014-08-08 19:50 <diva> I'm going to make a new d2 this weekend
2014-08-08 19:50 <Plugh> justincc: llEmail could be used by griefers/spammers as it is now if SMTP is enabled. With the patch in place and the new setting set to true, llEmail will only send mail to the email address given in the avatars user account.
2014-08-08 19:50 <justincc> Plugh: yeah, I'm curious why LL don't have such a restriction
2014-08-08 19:50 <justincc> or maybe they rely on the throttling
2014-08-08 19:50 <Plugh> justincc: A "few" more than usual? I'd say so. You dropped in around 72 or 73 at one go. :)
2014-08-08 19:50 <justincc> functions makes script sleep for 20 seconds
2014-08-08 19:51 <Plugh> justincc: LL has the delay and also have a throttle based on number of messages in a given time frame. I don't know if there is any throttle in OS but I suspect there isn't one.
2014-08-08 19:51 <justincc> Plugh: yes, I'm taking too many risks really.  The more fixes you put in the more risk of something nasty going in accidentally
2014-08-08 19:52 <Plugh> Melanie has mentioned that llEmail is restricted in Avination but they were doing it through an mail server proxy (or something like that).
2014-08-08 19:53 <justincc> Plugh: but really, I think the patch is fine.  I can't really criticize ppl for adding more options since I do quite a bit of that myself
2014-08-08 19:53 <Plugh> My patch allows it to be restricted without needing any extra external thing.
2014-08-08 19:53 <justincc> though is that e-mail field in user accounts really used?
2014-08-08 19:53 <lkalif> justincc: hmm, I wonder why git duuplicated all those commits to libomv
2014-08-08 19:53 <Plugh> justincc: That would depend on the individual grids and how they manage their avatar accounts.
2014-08-08 19:54 <justincc> lkalif: I thought I would screw up....  I'm not sure either
2014-08-08 19:54 <justincc> lkalif: build appears fine though
2014-08-08 19:54 <lkalif> perhaps because you merged it via the ui?
2014-08-08 19:55 <justincc> no, I did it via command line
2014-08-08 19:55 <lkalif> well lets hope that in the future where you don't have to do pull request it won'¨t do it
2014-08-08 19:55 <lkalif> hmm
2014-08-08 19:55 <AliciaRaven> justincc Plugh, i was thinking maybe it would be good to pass a uuid to llemail instead of an address, less restrictive but more functional while still stopping general spamming
2014-08-08 19:55 <justincc> possibly it was that merge.... I probably should have gone back and redid everything but was trying to avoid a load of fiddly work,
2014-08-08 19:55 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-08 19:55 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-08 19:55 <lkalif> doesn't mater, in the future just git pull, git commit, git push as normal
2014-08-08 19:56 <lkalif> no pull requests required
2014-08-08 19:56 <justincc> 
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2014-08-08 19:56 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: What UUID would you pass?
2014-08-08 19:57 <justincc> It's tempting to extend llEmail to acccept a UUID as address but it makes me a bit nervous
2014-08-08 19:57 <justincc> if it's done as some OSSL function there's no possibility of clashes with LL changes in the future
2014-08-08 19:58 <AliciaRaven> Plugh, any valid grid user, so people can send to object owner or creator, the usual function, but stop using any email address, although now i think about it, it could then be used to email users with out needing to know their address
2014-08-08 19:58 <Plugh> I haven't tested llEmail with mail to avatars or objects.
2014-08-08 19:58 <AliciaRaven> i have, i also use some of the same email code for off line im to email
2014-08-08 19:58 <AliciaRaven> works well
2014-08-08 20:00 <Plugh> hm... 
2014-08-08 20:00 <Plugh> I wonder if I need an extra check to see if the message is to a local or remote destination before changing the destination to the avatars email.
2014-08-08 20:01 <AliciaRaven> dont like my idea now, some one could just run though user uuids and spam the whole grid, better to have an email address but make sure there is a match in the users email table, even if its not the user thats using it
2014-08-08 20:01 <AliciaRaven> yes, ur fix should ignore internal object-object email, does it?
2014-08-08 20:02 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: How would they get the avatar UUID's if they don't have access to the user account DB?
2014-08-08 20:02 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: I need to set up a test of object to object email.
2014-08-08 20:02 <AliciaRaven> users uuids are not hard to find, they are listed in profiles, object edit windows etc the viewer even has copy to clip board links
2014-08-08 20:03 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: oh, right. That didn't used to be the case.
2014-08-08 20:03 <justincc> lkalif: how familiar are you with libomv connection limiting?
2014-08-08 20:03 <AliciaRaven> would be more complex to harvest a long list maybe, but users uuids have always been very visible
2014-08-08 20:04 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: true.
2014-08-08 20:04 <lkalif> justincc: connection limiting?
2014-08-08 20:04 <justincc> ServicePoint.ConnectionLimit use
2014-08-08 20:05 <Plugh> It is also possible to get UUID's of avatars from their names using name2key lookup or from sensors checking for nearby avatars.
2014-08-08 20:05 <lkalif> ah for HTTPWebClient
2014-08-08 20:05 <justincc> lkalif: as done in CapsBase.SetupRequest and DownloadManager.SetupRequest()
2014-08-08 20:05 <justincc> 
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2014-08-08 20:05 <AliciaRaven> justincc, how many bots did u manage to get in the load test on tuesday?
2014-08-08 20:05 <justincc> got a sustained 400
2014-08-08 20:05 <AliciaRaven> i missed it again lol
2014-08-08 20:06 <justincc> which actually stopped people logging in, so won't keep it at that in the future
2014-08-08 20:06 <AliciaRaven> cool more stable then, that just from changes to the bots?
2014-08-08 20:06 <justincc> lkalif: so, I believe I have traced pCampbot crashed to the fact that DownloadManager sets the connection limit to 8, but then CapsBase sets it to 32 and they keep switching
2014-08-08 20:07 <justincc> I think the fluctuation, if one is unlucky, causes internal issues within Mono 3.2.4 and occasionally crashes
2014-08-08 20:08 <justincc> my initial thought was to only set it if the new limit is higher than existing, but this would mean download manager effectively see limit as 32
2014-08-08 20:09 <lkalif> justincc: make it a static var in Settings class, and then use Setting.MAX_CONNECTIONS or whatever everywhere it's used
2014-08-08 20:09 <lkalif> and crank it up
2014-08-08 20:09 <justincc> ok, so no issues with download manager being able to launch 32 simultaneous?
2014-08-08 20:09 <justincc> by default?
2014-08-08 20:09 <lkalif> no
2014-08-08 20:09 <justincc> ok, cool, I'll do that
2014-08-08 20:10 <justincc> I need to be able to set the limit anyway.  One reason for pCampbot behaving poorly is that it hits the 32 limit which is entirely taken up by the CAP long polls
2014-08-08 20:10 <justincc> event queue stuff
2014-08-08 20:10 <lkalif> HTTP
2014-08-08 20:10 <lkalif> HTTPWebClient is such a piece of junk, especially in mono
2014-08-08 20:11 <justincc> for some reason it doesnt' report CurrentConnections which is annoying 
2014-08-08 20:11 <justincc> even though looking at Mono I would have expected that to work properly
2014-08-08 20:12 <lkalif> you can assign to Setting.MAX_CONNECTIONS prior to creating any clients in your pCampBot
2014-08-08 20:12 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-08-08 20:18 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: Do you have any simple scripts to test object to object email?
2014-08-08 20:19 <AliciaRaven> Plugh, no thats the only part of llemail i havnt tested, i just read the code, my changes where only to the part where it was sending mail out
2014-08-08 20:19 <Plugh> oh. Thought you said you had tried it.
2014-08-08 20:19 <nebadon> what commands replace "show stats"
2014-08-08 20:19 <nebadon> anyone know?
2014-08-08 20:20 <nebadon> justincc?
2014-08-08 20:20 <Plugh> I've just added one condition on the if statement to see whether the destination needs to be restricted.
2014-08-08 20:20 <justincc> nebadon: er, replace?
2014-08-08 20:20 <nebadon> show stats doesnt display anything for me anymore
2014-08-08 20:20 <justincc> where?
2014-08-08 20:20 <nebadon> on region console
2014-08-08 20:20 <justincc> which one?
2014-08-08 20:21 <nebadon> oh all the cc grid
2014-08-08 20:21 <nebadon> i just wanted to see if there was any prims in the region without going there
2014-08-08 20:21 <justincc> does on kn1
2014-08-08 20:21 <Dev_Random> works fine for me
2014-08-08 20:22 <justincc> "show scene" will also show that data
2014-08-08 20:22 <Plugh> I'll update my patch file later.
2014-08-08 20:22 <nebadon> hmm ya wierd
2014-08-08 20:22 <AliciaRaven> Plugh, inside the if (!address.EndsWith(m_InterObjectHostname)) thats where out going if processed
2014-08-08 20:22 <nebadon> expo zones its not working
2014-08-08 20:22 <nebadon> what the heck
2014-08-08 20:22 <Dev_Random> is that hidden by a loglevel setting?
2014-08-08 20:22 <nebadon> its screen 04 justincc
2014-08-08 20:23 <nebadon> show scene works though
2014-08-08 20:23 <justincc> there was a brief period where a code change stopped that.  those expos do not incorporate the subsequent fix/revert
2014-08-08 20:23 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: In what file?
2014-08-08 20:23 <justincc> at their code level
2014-08-08 20:23 <nebadon> oh
2014-08-08 20:23 <nebadon> oooh ya
2014-08-08 20:23 <nebadon> i never restarted these
2014-08-08 20:23 <nebadon> duh
2014-08-08 20:23 <nebadon> thanks
2014-08-08 20:23 <justincc> np
2014-08-08 20:23 <nebadon> that was super confusing
2014-08-08 20:24 <AliciaRaven> EmailModule.cs
2014-08-08 20:24 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: ok. I'm not touching that module
2014-08-08 20:24 <Plugh> s/module/file/
2014-08-08 20:26 <AliciaRaven> EmailModule.cs is the email core module, would be the best place to make the changes, not script code, i think it would be better to keep script module side light, is that right justincc?
2014-08-08 20:26 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: I added the restriction in LSL_Api.cs so it only affects the llEmail function and allows the SendMail function of the email module to be used elsewhere.
2014-08-08 20:28 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: If the test is delayed to the email module I don't know if I still have access to the name of the person who owns the script (or object) that is trying to send a message.
2014-08-08 20:29 <AliciaRaven> thats true
2014-08-08 20:31 <justincc> nebadon: what would do if the load on osgrid inventory services increased.  Spin up more copies?
2014-08-08 20:37 <justincc> let's say the burst doubled, though total requests remained the same
2014-08-08 20:39 <justincc> ok, I'll pick that up again later.  I'm going to dinner.
2014-08-08 20:46 <Plugh> I've updated my patch. I'll test it again and upload it later.
2014-08-08 20:49 <nebadon> hey sorry justincc was away from computer
2014-08-08 20:49 <nebadon> ping me again when you are back
2014-08-08 20:49 <nebadon> if i dont answer here try me on skype
2014-08-08 21:14 <nebadon> damn the unity webgl stuff is pro only
2014-08-08 21:14 <nebadon> One-click WebGL deployment is coming to the Unity engine with our paid-for Pro add-on.
2014-08-08 21:14 <nebadon> lame
2014-08-08 21:15 <nebadon> sounds like it the add-on is an additional cost to the pro package maybe even
2014-08-08 21:27 <nebadon> yep confirms it here > http://unity3d.com/unity/faq
2014-08-08 21:27 <nebadon> webgl will be a addon you have to purchase on top of a unity pro license
2014-08-08 21:46 <diva> yeah, I would have been very surprised if they would be releasing that cross-compiler for free...
2014-08-08 21:47 <diva> but the good news is that there are others. Just not sure how much energy there is to make c# compile to asm
2014-08-08 22:20 <justincc> nebadon: still around?
2014-08-08 22:35 <nebadon> hey justincc
2014-08-08 22:35 <nebadon> I am now :)
2014-08-08 22:35 <nebadon> nice change
2014-08-08 22:35 <justincc> nebadon: so, would it be a problem if peak inventory load on osgrid services increased, even though total requests stays the same
2014-08-08 22:36 <justincc> nebadon: yeah, I finally did it.  It's the first thing I (and you) end up telling anybody trying to run opensim at load so I think it makes sense to change the default
2014-08-08 22:36 <nebadon> I don't think so, i guess we could fire up some more inventory instances
2014-08-08 22:36 <nebadon> what were you thinking of changing?
2014-08-08 22:36 <justincc> do you have any way of knowing if there is overload other than ppl complaining?
2014-08-08 22:36 <justincc> I was thinking of shifting the lock that currently only allows one inv request from a simulator at a time
2014-08-08 22:36 <justincc> so that they could make 2 at a time through WebFetch instead
2014-08-08 22:37 <nebadon> well regardless nginx should prevent anyone from making too many requests
2014-08-08 22:37 <nebadon> i could always tweak things a bit there as well
2014-08-08 22:37 <justincc> true
2014-08-08 22:38 <justincc> ok, I'm going to try that and see if it helps this long running inventory saga.  If not, or not enough, I'll have to seirously look at caching
2014-08-08 22:38 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-08 22:38 <justincc> which probably should be done anyway, but it wouldn't help with the initial drag down on stuff unless it results in load on the inventory service being reduced in general
2014-08-08 22:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #3752 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-08-08 22:43 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Change default max threads if SmartThreadPool is used as the main thread pool from 15 to 300
2014-08-08 22:44 <danbanner> justin are you gonna change the comments too?
2014-08-08 22:45 <danbanner> where it says DEFAULT = 15
2014-08-08 22:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #3753 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-08 22:46 <danbanner> i.e. ";; Optimizations from Default of 15"
2014-08-08 22:46 <justincc> in OpenSimDefaults.ini?
2014-08-08 22:46 <danbanner> let me look at stock ini
2014-08-08 22:48 <danbanner> ya nvm
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2014-08-08 22:49 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Reduce default rotation AgentUpdate output sensitivity to a setting that cuts down UDP traffic without obvious adverse effects on observed avatar rotations.
2014-08-08 22:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #3754 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-08 22:49 <nebadon> ya danbanner that was something we added to ours while back
2014-08-08 22:49 <nebadon> not in core
2014-08-08 22:49 <nebadon> might be worth changing it though
2014-08-08 22:50 <danbanner> ya i did
2014-08-08 22:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3754: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3754/
2014-08-08 22:53 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Change MaxPoolThreads default in code as well from 15 to 300
2014-08-08 22:53 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Change RootRotationUpdateTolerance from 0.01 to 0.1 in code as well.
2014-08-08 22:53 <lkalif> justincc: what unit is 0.1 in?
2014-08-08 22:53 <justincc> euclidian rotational distance.....
2014-08-08 22:54 <justincc> honestly, I have a hard time with it as well.  It appears to be analagous to euclidian distance in 3d space but not so easy to attach a unit to
2014-08-08 22:54 <lkalif> ok
2014-08-08 22:55 <lkalif> SL is pretty lax too, I think you need to rotate 15 degrees or so before it will update
2014-08-08 22:55 <justincc> yes.  In the load test I had it at 0.55 instead of 0.1.  But then I expect some avatars would start to not see rotations with full accuracy
2014-08-08 22:56 <justincc> haven't verified that too much though I would love to cut down udp traffic to that level
2014-08-08 22:56 <justincc> 0.1 seems safe
2014-08-08 22:56 <lkalif> yep
2014-08-08 23:06 <smxy> Plugh: pong - I see the mantis- thanks. :)
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2014-08-08 23:21 <osmantis> Bug #7289:04 Login more than 11 avatars cause ruthed avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7289 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-08 23:25 <dahlia> I think SL intentionally adds hysteresis into avatar rotation 
2014-08-08 23:26 <justincc> 
ACTION suspects you're not using this word in the econometrics sense

2014-08-08 23:26 <dahlia> the idea being that your eyes and head will move as you move the mouse but your body wont move until you hav moved your head somewhat first, attempting to appear more natural
2014-08-08 23:26 <dahlia> I use it in a engineering sense
2014-08-08 23:29 <dahlia> like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Ehysteresis.PNG
2014-08-08 23:30 <justincc> right, systen us dependent on past inputs as well as current
2014-08-08 23:32 <dahlia> well Ive only had intro micro and macro econ so I'm not aware of its use in econometrics ;)
2014-08-08 23:32 <justincc> tbh, it's really more economics probably, as the wiki article says
2014-08-08 23:33 <dahlia> anyway, its by design 
2014-08-08 23:33 <justincc> long time since I did that stuff - I was never that good at econometrics, just not interested enough
2014-08-08 23:34 <dahlia> well I did a lot of circuit design and hysteresis was a commonly used tool
2014-08-08 23:34 <justincc> so you're saying rotation update may be dependent on head rotation?
2014-08-08 23:34 <justincc> or past head rotations?
2014-08-08 23:34 <dahlia> its dependent on how far its moved since last updated
2014-08-08 23:34 <dahlia> and its intentional
2014-08-08 23:37 <justincc> so am I making a mistake in reducing the sensitivity?
2014-08-08 23:37 <dahlia> Think about it. If you want to look at someting a small angle away from the direction you are facing, you only move your eyes or head. If it's a sufficiently large angle, you move your body also. It would look quite unnatural to move your whole body just to look a few degrees to the side
2014-08-08 23:38 <justincc> but there are only 8 body rotations, right?
2014-08-08 23:38 <dahlia> 8?
2014-08-08 23:38 <justincc> corresponding to the texture bakes
2014-08-08 23:38 <justincc> I mean, in terms of appearance
2014-08-08 23:38 <dahlia> you lost me
2014-08-08 23:38 <dahlia> Im talking about real life
2014-08-08 23:40 <dahlia> Im not sure if you're making a mistake or not. There needs to be some hysteresis in there but I dont know how much
2014-08-08 23:40 <dahlia> I do know its several degrees
2014-08-08 23:40 <justincc> ok, let's see how it goes.  I need to look into head mvmt anyway, might go back and do some more expriments in LL land
2014-08-08 23:40 <dahlia> ya
2014-08-08 23:41 <dahlia> also you move in the direction of your camera so if you rotate slightly and then move you do need to rotate the body
2014-08-08 23:41 <Plugh> smxy: There is a minor change to the provided patch. I'm going to be updating that patch file shortly.
2014-08-08 23:42 <justincc> yes, body rotation resets in that circumstance
2014-08-08 23:42 <justincc> or rather, things look correct, esp as agent updates start to flow through due to mvmt
2014-08-08 23:42 <justincc> I've not notived any diff with 0.1 but it may be subtle
2014-08-08 23:43 <dahlia> are you filtering agent updates?
2014-08-08 23:43 <dahlia> is that where you are changing the threshold?
2014-08-08 23:43 <justincc> yes, I'm taking the previously hard-coded value and making it configurable
2014-08-08 23:43 <dahlia> that may be independent of the hysteresis implementation, Im not sure
2014-08-08 23:43 <justincc> do we have a hysteresis impl?
2014-08-08 23:43 <justincc> I didn't think so
2014-08-08 23:44 <dahlia> hmmm maybe its viewer side?
2014-08-08 23:44 <dahlia> now Im not sure
2014-08-08 23:45 <justincc> I admit I hadn't really thought about this before.  I probably need to dig in anyway since I'm interested in sources of udp traffic
2014-08-08 23:45 <justincc> it gets quite critical at higher av numbers
2014-08-08 23:45 <dahlia> oh well if you're filtering agent updates I think diva was playing around in there during all the tuning for the last oscc
2014-08-08 23:46 <justincc> yes, a lot of filtering was done to eliminate updates which were identical or only differd by tiny fractions inbound
2014-08-08 23:46 <justincc> from previous inputs
2014-08-08 23:48 <dahlia> I kinda remember she was looking into distance from other agents also, in which case you probably want to use "Manhattan Distance" which is less accurate but doesn't require a square root calculation
2014-08-08 23:50 <diva> yes, there's room for more improvement in that area...
2014-08-08 23:50 <diva> cutting down tghe processing of agent updates really has an impact in high-voume situations
2014-08-08 23:50 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-08-08 23:50 <dahlia> ya square roots are pretty expensive
2014-08-08 23:51 <dahlia> I bet changing that would help quite a bit
2014-08-08 23:51 <justincc> tbh, cpu isn't the issue atm, I suspect more inefficiencies in udp handling internally
2014-08-08 23:51 <Plugh> Manhattan distance??
2014-08-08 23:52 <dahlia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_distance
2014-08-08 23:52 <Misterblue> Google is your friend
2014-08-08 23:52 <lkalif> you keep distace squared instead of distsance
2014-08-08 23:53 <Misterblue> LOL... Google also told me the distance from where I am to Manhattan
2014-08-08 23:53 <dahlia> haha
2014-08-08 23:53 <diva> but dhalia I didn't add any distance-related filter. Altough I suspect that would help, and we may want to experiment with that, maybe after a certain threshold of load
2014-08-08 23:53 <Misterblue> only 42 hours of driving (43 hours in current traffic!)
2014-08-08 23:53 <lkalif> lol
2014-08-08 23:53 <diva> start driving!
2014-08-08 23:53 <dahlia> diva: ah ok I wasnt sure what you added
2014-08-08 23:54 <lkalif> Reminded me of this joke going around twitter:
2014-08-08 23:54 <dahlia> I just remember you were in there doing stuff
2014-08-08 23:54 <diva> no, just beefed up the meaning of "significant"
2014-08-08 23:54 <dahlia> mmmm beef....
2014-08-08 23:54 <diva> but I have a student looking into other kinds of optimizations like distance-based
2014-08-08 23:54 <dahlia> 
ACTION runs to the kitchen and checks the fridge for leftovers...

2014-08-08 23:55 <lkalif> If someone travelled from the 50s, and you wanted to really amaze them, you could say something like "Look, I have this thing in my pocket that has access to the sum of mankind's knowlege"
2014-08-08 23:55 <diva> but she's working at rackspace for the summer, so not much progress
2014-08-08 23:55 <lkalif> "And I use it to watch cat videos and fight wirth strangers"
2014-08-08 23:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #3755 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-08 23:56 <lkalif> damn cia runining my joke :P
2014-08-08 23:56 <nebadon> lol
2014-08-08 23:56 <dahlia> speaking of cat videos, some clown on another channel posted a vid of some kids lighting a kitten on fire the other day. It was so sick :(
2014-08-08 23:57 <lkalif> I didn't need that mental image
2014-08-08 23:57 <danbanner> people suck
2014-08-08 23:57 <Misterblue> and I just googled for 'cat videos' to find that there are 'cat video festivals'!!!!!!
2014-08-08 23:57 <dahlia> sry I probably shouldnt have mentioned it
2014-08-08 23:58 <Misterblue> http://hollywoodtheatre.org/internet-cat-video-festival-2014/
2014-08-08 23:58 <Misterblue> what has the world come to
2014-08-08 23:59 <dahlia> I want to see the "In a World" trailer
2014-08-08 23:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3755: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3755/
2014-08-08 23:59 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Move the inventory request lock introduced in git master a58152bd to HGInventoryBroker to preserve that behaviour there but allow 2 simultaneous inv requests (chiefly WebFetch) rather than 1
2014-08-09 00:00 <justincc> alright, I am taking mysqld down temporarily to attempt table repair
2014-08-09 00:03 <justincc> ok, repaired and at least OSSL Functions appears to be back
2014-08-09 00:03 <justincc> one table with reported issues, which is the one I repaired
2014-08-09 00:03 <justincc> as per http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/myisam-repair.html
2014-08-09 00:04 <dahlia> wiki?
2014-08-09 00:04 <dahlia> unload->reload FTW
2014-08-09 00:04 <justincc> yes, http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Category:OSSL_Functions
2014-08-09 00:05 <nebadon> fantastic thanks justincc
2014-08-09 00:05 <danbanner> ya everything appears to be fine now
2014-08-09 00:05 <danbanner> thanks
2014-08-09 00:06 <justincc> hoepfully there is no data loss.  I will try and remember to keep my backups for longer than usual
2014-08-09 00:11 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-09 00:13 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-09 00:24 <Plugh> dahlia: An alternative to distance being the sqrt of a sum of squares might be with a trig function.
2014-08-09 00:24 <Plugh> Not sure if that would be any faster but it is fewer operations to get distance between two points.
2014-08-09 00:25 <justincc> tbh, I think the major cpu use is deciding whether to process a packet at all, since that sets of a very long chain of operations
2014-08-09 00:25 <justincc> couple of sqrts ain't gonna make much difference
2014-08-09 00:26 <dahlia> Plugh: interesting idea. Not sure how trig is implemented, I kinda thought it's usually lookup tables and interpolation
2014-08-09 00:26 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-08-09 00:26 <Plugh> dahlia: A lookup table may be good enough if you don't need absolute accuracy.
2014-08-09 00:26 <dahlia> anway manhattan is $cheap
2014-08-09 00:27 <lkalif> it got sold for some tinkets
2014-08-09 00:27 <dahlia> ooooou pretty shiny
2014-08-09 00:28 <Plugh> In A World? That movie about people who do voice overs? I saw that movie.
2014-08-09 00:28 <dahlia> no I meant the trailer for the cat video festival
2014-08-09 00:29 <lkalif> one lake bell made, i liked it quite a bit
2014-08-09 00:30 <Plugh> Has Hollywood been so hard pressed to come up with good movies to watch that people are prepared to go to a festival showing short cat videos culled from the net??
2014-08-09 00:31 <dahlia> hey its US, anything for a $buck :P
2014-08-09 00:33 <Misterblue> the festival in Portland was a charity event for cat shelters.. guess it make some sense
2014-08-09 00:35 <Plugh> dahlia: hehe, yeah
2014-08-09 00:35 <Plugh> Misterblue: ok, that would make some sense.
2014-08-09 00:47 <velus> Misterblue, could xen be used to run os decently/
2014-08-09 00:47 <Misterblue> I haven't tried, velus, but it should work
2014-08-09 00:48 <Misterblue> I know the Moses people have had problems with disk accesses and caching, but, once resolved, it works pretty well
2014-08-09 00:48 <velus> but would it work descently
2014-08-09 00:48 <velus> ok
2014-08-09 00:48 <velus> moses?
2014-08-09 00:49 <nebadon> its the Army grid
2014-08-09 00:52 <Misterblue> another user of OpenSim
2014-08-09 00:56 <velus> ok
2014-08-09 01:08 <justincc> goodnight folks
2014-08-09 03:35 <Plugh> smxy: I've updated the patch file attached to 7296
2014-08-09 04:39 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-09 07:06 <osmantis> Bug #7289:04 Login more than 11 avatars cause ruthed avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7289 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-09 07:32 <osmantis> Bug #7289:04 Login more than 11 avatars cause ruthed avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7289 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-09 08:22 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-09 08:31 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-09 08:35 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-09 11:32 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-09 11:54 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-09 12:18 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-09 12:42 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-09 12:55 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-09 13:07 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-09 14:20 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-09 14:28 <osmantis> Bug #7297:04 When walking or flying, AV often gets stuck walking or flying and cannot stop without relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7297 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-08-09 14:31 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-09 14:43 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-09 14:53 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-09 16:37 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-09 17:48 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-09 18:47 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-09 20:39 <osmantis> Bug #7298:04 Position of moved avatar incorrect in child prims. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7298 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-08-09 20:56 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-09 21:07 <osmantis> Bug #7298:04 Position of moved avatar incorrect in child prims. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7298 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-09 21:25 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-09 22:38 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-09 23:29 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-10 00:26 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-08-10 04:54 <osmantis> Bug #7289:04 Login more than 11 avatars cause ruthed avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7289 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-08-10 09:39 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-10 13:56 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-10 14:10 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-10 14:28 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-10 14:37 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-10 14:49 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-10 14:56 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-10 15:02 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-10 15:06 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-10 15:07 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-10 15:15 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-10 15:23 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-10 15:47 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-10 16:10 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-10 16:41 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-10 17:14 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-10 18:20 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-10 22:46 <osmantis> Bug #7004:04 Accessing texture from inventory or attempting to upload new one sometimes fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7004 ): has been CLOSED
2014-08-10 22:46 <osmantis> Bug #6997:04 osMessageAttachments raises dataserver event only in the root prim of an attached linkset (intended?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6997 ): has been CLOSED
2014-08-10 22:47 <osmantis> Bug #5297:04 llAvatarOnSitTarget() reporting NULL_KEY if left-click action set to touch but reports correct key when set to sit 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5297 ): has been CLOSED
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2014-08-11 01:07 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-11 03:45 <xso> where can I get ossearch?
2014-08-11 03:45 <xso> You can grab the latest version of OpenSimSearch through SVN, use the command below and use 'anonymous' as the username and a blank password to checkout the code.
2014-08-11 03:45 <xso> svn checkout http://forge.opensimulator.org/svn/ossearch 
2014-08-11 03:45 <xso> shows blank page
2014-08-11 04:00 <nebadon> you have svn installed?
2014-08-11 08:12 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-11 08:32 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-11 09:44 <jakdaniels_> ping xso . Were you trying to get bulletsim working in OS on centos 5 a while back?
2014-08-11 10:44 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-11 15:49 <osmantis> Bug #7243:04 [BULLETS SCENE] ProcessTaints BSPrim ForceBodyShapeRebuild 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7243 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-08-11 15:58 <osmantis> Bug #7167:04 [BulletSim] : llSetKeyframedMotion no 100% working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7167 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-08-11 16:12 <osmantis> Bug #7249:04 [BULLETSIM LINKSET COMPOUND] Linkset rebuild warning If this happen s more than one or two times 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7249 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-08-11 16:27 <osmantis> Bug #6782:04 [BulletSim] Bouding Box or Center of Mass or Similar problem 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6782 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-08-11 16:33 <osmantis> Bug #7299:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams* functionality differs from SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7299 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-08-11 16:33 <osmantis> Bug #7299:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams* functionality differs from SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7299 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006121.
2014-08-11 16:33 <osmantis> Bug #6121:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams, llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast, llGetLinkPrimitiveParams do not work on avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6121 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007299.
2014-08-11 16:44 <osmantis> Bug #7196:04 [BulletSim] land_collision do not work proprely underwater 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7196 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2014-08-11 16:47 <osmantis> Bug #7196:04 [BulletSim] land_collision do not work proprely underwater 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7196 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2014-08-11 16:51 <osmantis> Bug #6876:04 [BulletSim] Avatar Mesh underwater levitation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6876 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2014-08-11 16:51 <osmantis> Bug #6876:04 [BulletSim] Avatar Mesh underwater levitation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6876 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2014-08-11 16:51 <osmantis> Bug #7300:04 Estate managers and users table fill with multiple duplicate entries 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7300 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-08-11 16:53 <osmantis> Bug #6862:04 [BulletSim] Prim levitation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6862 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2014-08-11 16:53 <osmantis> Bug #6862:04 [BulletSim] Prim levitation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6862 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2014-08-11 16:58 <Plugh> Is region banning using a different table than 'regionban'? I only see on reference to that table and that is in a file for SQLite.
2014-08-11 21:51 <osmantis> Bug #7062:04 utterly mystifying Syntax error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7062 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-11 22:32 <diva> Melanie_ or LiruCookies: I remember you added something to singu that allows some control over the viewer's UI server side. How does it work? What do I need to do to test it?
2014-08-11 22:32 <Melanie_> there is a module in opensim
2014-08-11 22:32 <Melanie_> it allows to add options to the menus of the viewer vie simulator extras
2014-08-11 22:33 <Melanie_> there is also a custom dialog module
2014-08-11 22:33 <Melanie_> it may or may not ba up to date with the version i have
2014-08-11 22:33 <Melanie_> i can check
2014-08-11 22:33 <Melanie_> and push what i have if it's more than what core has
2014-08-11 22:33 <diva> ok. What are the names of all these things so I can searcg for it?
2014-08-11 22:33 <Melanie_> but i believe what i have may be WIP
2014-08-11 22:33 <Melanie_> can't check from this box
2014-08-11 22:34 <Melanie_> so i'll tell you in a few
2014-08-11 22:34 <diva> k thanks
2014-08-11 22:56 <Melanie_> diva: the menu stuff is in b/OpenSim/Region/OptionalModules/ViewerSupport/DynamicMenuModule.cs
2014-08-11 22:56 <Melanie_> it differs from my version by the license header and 5 LOC
2014-08-11 22:56 <Melanie_> which are not relevant to opensim,
2014-08-11 23:03 <Melanie_> the floater stuff is at OpenSim/Region/OptionalModules/ViewerSupport/DynamicFloaterModule.cs
2014-08-11 23:03 <Melanie_> which is WIP in the sense that the user needs to know and formulate their own XML
2014-08-11 23:03 <Melanie_> i know I have a rump of a floater builder that takes a defintion via structs and creates the relevant XML
2014-08-11 23:04 <Melanie_> but since that is not required to make this work, i'm committing this WIP as is
2014-08-11 23:08 <diva> thanks melanie
2014-08-11 23:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #3756 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-11 23:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3756: SUCCESS in 7 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3756/
2014-08-11 23:13 <osjenkins> melanie: Avination's Dynamic Floater Module. This works with Singularity viewer only.
2014-08-11 23:25 <lkalif> justincc: only one commit this time, good ;)
2014-08-11 23:25 <justincc> lkalif: yeah, I was foxed for a while by the files in Capabilities being dos and others being unix...
2014-08-11 23:27 <LiruCookies> foxed!
2014-08-11 23:32 <dahlia> :( *snif* http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/actor-robin-williams-dead-63/story?id=24937522
2014-08-11 23:33 <lkalif> sad :(
2014-08-11 23:33 <justincc> ugh, only 63
2014-08-11 23:33 <lkalif> tmz says he killed himself http://www.tmz.com/2014/08/11/robin-williams-dead-commits-suicide
2014-08-11 23:33 <justincc> :(
2014-08-11 23:37 <dahlia> Arrgh why do I have to see Second Life ads on every web page I visit? as if I'm going to create another account.... 
2014-08-11 23:38 <dahlia> no wonder LL is having trouble, they must be paying the ad people $gazillions to preach to the choir
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2014-08-12 00:03 <osmantis> Bug #5161:04 [WORLD MAP]: Starting new remote request thread manually 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5161 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2014-08-12 00:03 <osmantis> Bug #5161:04 [WORLD MAP]: Starting new remote request thread manually 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5161 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2014-08-12 00:29 <justincc> hey nebadon, are you around?
2014-08-12 00:30 <nebadon> hey
2014-08-12 00:30 <justincc> nebadon: what ulimit or other system settings are you using on the oscc server?
2014-08-12 00:31 <nebadon> 1 sec
2014-08-12 00:31 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=65
2014-08-12 00:31 <nebadon> there justincc
2014-08-12 00:32 <Melanie_> justincc: i find that nofile 65536 and nproc 65536 are useful
2014-08-12 00:32 <nebadon> actually ya
2014-08-12 00:32 <lkalif> ulimit -n might be an issue
2014-08-12 00:32 <nebadon> i think i am using 65535
2014-08-12 00:33 <nebadon> ua ulimit -n returns 65536 on oscc grid
2014-08-12 00:33 <nebadon> im sure its the same on osgrid plazas and my personal servers
2014-08-12 00:33 <justincc> is this because of flotasm opening lots of files or something?
2014-08-12 00:33 <Melanie_> nproc is relevant if you use single-instance, multi-process servers
2014-08-12 00:33 <lkalif> nebadon: for which user?
2014-08-12 00:33 <Melanie_> and have several on one box
2014-08-12 00:33 <dahlia> I have 1024 on my servers
2014-08-12 00:33 <Melanie_> nofile is relevant even for a single sim
2014-08-12 00:34 <nebadon> for the user running opensim
2014-08-12 00:34 <Melanie_> and it has to be set for the user opensim runs under
2014-08-12 00:34 <lkalif> yes
2014-08-12 00:34 <nebadon> my instructions say nginx that is wrong for opensim
2014-08-12 00:34 <nebadon> i just copied and pasted that info from another website as notes mostly
2014-08-12 00:34 <lkalif> we had 400 clients the other day
2014-08-12 00:35 <lkalif> that is 1600 connections just the event queue
2014-08-12 00:35 <justincc> yes, I'm wondering if all my bots falling offline is due to something like that
2014-08-12 00:35 <justincc> even with a massively raised ConnectionLimit
2014-08-12 00:35 <dahlia> connections? you mean EQGs?
2014-08-12 00:36 <justincc> long polls
2014-08-12 00:36 <lkalif> justincc: you need to set that on the client side
2014-08-12 00:36 <justincc> yes, that's where it's set
2014-08-12 00:36 <lkalif> dahlia: that's http connection
2014-08-12 00:36 <Melanie_> justincc: the mono connection limit is overrules by the system limit
2014-08-12 00:36 <dahlia> lkalif: well UDP doesnt have connections
2014-08-12 00:36 <justincc> but for some reason I still get network timeout at some seemingly somewhat rnadom point and most bots fall off
2014-08-12 00:36 <justincc> Melanie_: that does not appear to be the case
2014-08-12 00:36 <lkalif> dahlia: I was talking about Event Queue
2014-08-12 00:36 <lkalif> which uses http long poll
2014-08-12 00:36 <dahlia> ya I abbreviated it EQG
2014-08-12 00:37 <lkalif> justincc: mono HTTPWebClient just sucks
2014-08-12 00:37 <lkalif> anyway to have a windows box for this test
2014-08-12 00:37 <justincc> well, I don't generally see that problem on oscc, though maybe I just don'#t run for long enough
2014-08-12 00:38 <justincc> wondering if it's down to some system setting diff between oscc and my local box
2014-08-12 00:38 <dahlia> there's usually a OS limit on concurrent TCP connections
2014-08-12 00:39 <dahlia> because the OS needs to allocate and manage buffers
2014-08-12 00:39 <justincc> yeah, net.core.somaxconn I believe
2014-08-12 00:39 <lkalif> justincc: if you cannot run your bot army on windows... perhaps you can partition them in different processes
2014-08-12 00:39 <lkalif> like run 20 per process
2014-08-12 00:40 <justincc> they seem to fall off even with fewer bots in a process.  WHich I swear didn't use to happen.
2014-08-12 00:40 <justincc> already spreading them ebtween two systems now
2014-08-12 00:40 <dahlia> why not run some on cheapie cloud instances?
2014-08-12 00:40 <lkalif> I had this issue with mono's HTTPWebCleint, it had deadlocks in it 
2014-08-12 00:41 <lkalif> http://www.mono-project.com/Article:ThreadPool_Deadlocks
2014-08-12 00:41 <lkalif> * Internally by the class libraries (HttpWebRequest being one of its major users).
2014-08-12 00:41 <lkalif> I run into this many times
2014-08-12 00:41 <lkalif> internal threadpool deadlocks, and all clients get disconnected
2014-08-12 00:42 <dahlia> mono internal threadpool?
2014-08-12 00:42 <Melanie_> diva: just FYI, i have found the dialog builder stuff
2014-08-12 00:42 <dahlia> didnt they redo that recently?
2014-08-12 00:42 <Melanie_> diva: It's incomplete but i can probably get it to a state of community usability in a week or so
2014-08-12 00:42 <lkalif> I know some people implement simple http clients using tcp sockets to avoid using mono's HttpWebRequest
2014-08-12 00:42 <justincc> that threadpool deadlock page syas it only applies to <= 2.6
2014-08-12 00:42 <lkalif> lies
2014-08-12 00:43 <lkalif> i've seen it in 2.10 too
2014-08-12 00:43 <justincc> 3.2 ?
2014-08-12 00:43 <lkalif> not tested much with that
2014-08-12 00:43 <lkalif> so don't know
2014-08-12 00:44 <lkalif> I should rewrite libomv's caps to use .net 4.5 async :P
2014-08-12 00:44 <nebadon> mono 2.10 isnt that great
2014-08-12 00:44 <lkalif> that's a work of beauty
2014-08-12 00:44 <nebadon> 3.x is a lot better
2014-08-12 00:45 <dahlia> prolly shouldnt run a bazillion bots from a home connection anyway. There's bound to be limits in number of sozkets, bandwidth, etc that will mess things up
2014-08-12 00:45 <dahlia> *sockets
2014-08-12 00:45 <justincc> yes, but this is running purely on my local system
2014-08-12 00:45 <lkalif> justincc: wan't me to try to run bunch from here tomorrow+
2014-08-12 00:45 <justincc> and cpu just falls away at some point with network stuff stopping
2014-08-12 00:45 <lkalif> grr
2014-08-12 00:46 <dahlia> justincc: could also be your router
2014-08-12 00:46 <justincc> lkalif: it's easier if I run them because then I can keep them just below the maximum for the regions
2014-08-12 00:46 <lkalif> typobonanza
2014-08-12 00:46 <justincc> last week ppl couldn't get in, which is not what we want
2014-08-12 00:46 <lkalif> justincc: perhaps some base-level, like 100?
2014-08-12 00:47 <nebadon> I usually connect 80 Radegast viewers
2014-08-12 00:47 <justincc> sure, 25 on each
2014-08-12 00:47 <dahlia> I had bots in SL ages ago that would pick one to log out if the sim was full
2014-08-12 00:47 <dahlia> that way people could always get in
2014-08-12 00:47 <justincc> nebadon: yeah, somaxconn on oscc is 128 still, I see you're just boosting file handles
2014-08-12 00:48 <nebadon> do you think adjusting that would help?
2014-08-12 00:49 <justincc> I don't know.  tbh, I would like to look at code issues before doing that kind of thing
2014-08-12 00:49 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-12 00:50 <dahlia> file descriptors and socket descriptors are pretty much the same thing through much of unix systems but I dont think its the same thing as max TCP connections
2014-08-12 00:50 <justincc> although I'm slightly surprised things work as is, if the connection limit is 128
2014-08-12 00:50 <justincc> yeah, might be missing something here
2014-08-12 00:50 <dahlia> that 128 could be outgoing TCP?
2014-08-12 00:51 <lkalif> there is a separate limit for tcp? i thought it was all under file descriptor
2014-08-12 00:52 <dahlia> not sure about the limit but file descriptor only goes so deep and I dont think it handles the entire TCP stack
2014-08-12 00:52 <justincc> I should just try changing somaxconn on my local and see if that has any impact
2014-08-12 00:54 <Melanie_> "SOMAXCONN defines the maximum number you're allowed to pass to listen()"
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2014-08-12 00:54 <Melanie_> this refers to the listen "backlog"
2014-08-12 00:54 <Melanie_> the number of inbound connections that at one time may wait for accept()
2014-08-12 00:55 <Melanie_> if SOMAXCONN is an issue for the event queue, it would mean that the mono socket listener in the http server is not accepting connections fast enough
2014-08-12 00:55 <Melanie_> this also would never happen at less than 128 clients
2014-08-12 00:55 <Melanie_> if th socket listener/dispatcher is synchronous in the http server, this may be an issue
2014-08-12 00:56 <Melanie_> it should really be multi-threaded asunchronous
2014-08-12 00:56 <Melanie_> u=y
2014-08-12 00:56 <Melanie_> to handle the kind of load we throw at it
2014-08-12 00:56 <Melanie_> if this is the issue, it may explain a number of other things we see
2014-08-12 00:56 <Melanie_> however, many implementations set the parameter to 5, because that was once recommended in an RFC
2014-08-12 00:57 <Melanie_> SOMAXCONN in that case is immaterial, as it is only the _limit_ for the "backlog" param on listen but each app may choose to set it lower
2014-08-12 00:58 <Melanie_> this would be triggered by issus int he http server but the root of the problem is deep in mono's networking libs
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2014-08-12 00:58 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Update libomv libraries with those built from commit 2208379.
2014-08-12 00:59 <Melanie_> lkalif: browing github libomv i found that your implementation of the parcel stuff dosn't yet include the "SeeAVs", etc stuff, a total of three new parameters
2014-08-12 01:00 <lkalif> yes, I didn't add any of those private pracel enums
2014-08-12 01:00 <lkalif> you could make a pull request, or give patch to justincc too, he's a comitter now ;)
2014-08-12 01:00 <Melanie_> k
2014-08-12 01:01 <Melanie_> lemmegofork
2014-08-12 01:19 <justincc> alright, well I changed my somaxconn from 128 to 1024 and no bot drop off so far (97 connected), though tbh I expect that's just luck since I'm still seeing some unexpected CPU falloff, just only for brief periods so far and not the long ones associated with bot timeout.  I'm logging off now but going to leave it running until it does fail (unless have actually got lucky).  Goodnight folks
2014-08-12 01:21 <Melanie_> lkalif: pull request sent
2014-08-12 01:22 <lkalif> Melanie_: pulled, thank you!
2014-08-12 01:22 <Melanie_> yw
2014-08-12 03:33 <diva> Melanie_: great. I'm really interested in any piece of work  related to redefining the UI. Send it up when you can.
2014-08-12 06:34 <Plugh> dahlia: Thanks for pasting those links. I hadn't previously heard.
2014-08-12 16:58 <justincc> nebadon: could you remind me which oscc Robust.exe.config I need to change?
2014-08-12 17:25 <nebadon> justincc sorry just walked in
2014-08-12 17:25 <nebadon> i still have not made them centralized
2014-08-12 17:25 <nebadon> so for now
2014-08-12 17:26 <nebadon> copy the one in the symlink folder
2014-08-12 17:26 <nebadon> err edit the one
2014-08-12 17:26 <justincc> so /home/avacon/robust1 right?
2014-08-12 17:27 <nebadon> yes
2014-08-12 17:27 <nebadon> and /home/avacon/opensim for simulators
2014-08-12 17:27 <justincc> ok thanks.  I presume the /home/avacon/opensim_update, etc. scripts are not in use?
2014-08-12 17:28 <nebadon> correct
2014-08-12 17:28 <nebadon> ive been doing it manually
2014-08-12 17:29 <nebadon> since we do a lot of experiemental things for me its just easier to do things manually
2014-08-12 17:29 <nebadon> since im only updating like once a week there at most
2014-08-12 17:31 <nebadon> do you want me to update justincc?
2014-08-12 17:31 <nebadon> i normally get that ball rolling right about now
2014-08-12 17:33 <justincc> no, I was going to add another stat but won't have time now probably
2014-08-12 17:34 <justincc> can i restart a service quickly now to test if I have config right?
2014-08-12 17:34 <nebadon> sure
2014-08-12 17:35 <nebadon> ok so nothing since last week worth testing?
2014-08-12 17:36 <justincc> I guess it's worth doing.  THe stuff I did chagne in master isn't relevant or is being superseded by other settings still
2014-08-12 17:38 <nebadon> ok well it would only be the last 10 patches
2014-08-12 17:39 <nebadon> so if none of that stuff is active its probably not worth the effort
2014-08-12 17:40 <justincc> now I think about it, as long as it's not too muich effort I think it is worth doing
2014-08-12 17:40 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-12 17:44 <justincc> nebadon: the commits I'm about to make are either pCampbot or minor stuff you don't need to worry about including
2014-08-12 17:47 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-12 17:47 <nebadon> Robustn is done and restarted
2014-08-12 17:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #3758 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-12 17:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3758: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3758/
2014-08-12 17:52 <osjenkins> jjustincc: For pCampbot, set max number of permitted connections to an endpoint to int.MaxValue
2014-08-12 17:52 <nebadon> ok regions are done too justincc
2014-08-12 17:53 <justincc> ok, thanks
2014-08-12 18:50 <justincc> ha, if you accidentally log in the same user to an existing session the attachments disappear for the original
2014-08-12 19:14 <justincc> viewer crashed, coming back
2014-08-12 19:19 <Plugh> Grr... I can't add a unique index on this table until I remove all the duplicate entries.
2014-08-12 19:26 <nebadon> i cant move at all
2014-08-12 19:26 <nebadon> just lost 1 bot
2014-08-12 19:26 <nebadon> radegast total crash
2014-08-12 19:48 <osmantis> Bug #7300:04 Estate managers and users table fill with multiple duplicate entries 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7300 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-12 20:06 <osmantis> Bug #7062:04 utterly mystifying Syntax error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7062 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-12 20:08 <diva> Melanie_ do I need to compile the viewer in any special way to have the dynamic menu feature? The server-side module seems to be always on, yes?
2014-08-12 20:09 <diva> how does the whole thing work?
2014-08-12 20:13 <diva> does it assume that some other module adds the custom menu items?
2014-08-12 20:14 <diva> ok, yes, it looks like that's how it works
2014-08-12 20:14 <Melanie_> yes
2014-08-12 20:14 <Melanie_> the module is just a shim
2014-08-12 20:14 <Melanie_> another module needs to obtain it's interface and register the menu items and their handlers
2014-08-12 20:14 <Melanie_> i have a sample on the other machine
2014-08-12 20:15 <Melanie_> when i'm back there i can pastebin
2014-08-12 20:15 <diva> that's ok, I get the idea. I'll test it
2014-08-12 20:15 <diva> oh ok
2014-08-12 20:27 <osmantis> Bug #7062:04 utterly mystifying Syntax error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7062 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-08-12 20:34 <Melanie_> diva: see pvt for pastebin and notes
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2014-08-12 22:44 <nebadon> justincc not sure if you are still or were still using my server for anything
2014-08-12 22:44 <nebadon> but the power dipped out here a couple times and the server rebooted
2014-08-12 22:45 <nebadon> just wanted to let you know
2014-08-12 22:45 <justincc> no problem, I wasn't using it
2014-08-12 23:37 <osmantis> Bug #7290:04 creating Local hyperlinks still happen occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7290 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-12 23:38 <osmantis> Bug #7290:04 creating Local hyperlinks still happen occasionally breaking local teleports 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7290 ): has been UPDATED.
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2014-08-13 07:45 <osmantis> Bug #7301:04 [BASE HTTP SERVER]: Firewall security probes throw exception System.InvalidCastException: Unable to cast object of type 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7301 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-08-13 07:46 <osmantis> Bug #7301:04 [BASE HTTP SERVER]: Firewall security probes throw exception System.InvalidCastException: Unable to cast object of type 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7301 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-08-13 10:28 <osmantis> Bug #7181:04 BulletSPlugin : The requested operation caused a stack overflow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7181 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-13 15:51 <diva> Misterblue ping
2014-08-13 17:21 <osmantis> Bug #7301:04 [BASE HTTP SERVER]: Firewall security probes throw exception System.InvalidCastException: Unable to cast object of type 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7301 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-08-13 17:24 <osmantis> Bug #7301:04 [BASE HTTP SERVER]: Firewall security probes throw exception System.InvalidCastException: Unable to cast object of type 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7301 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-13 21:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #3759 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-13 21:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3759: SUCCESS in 4 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3759/
2014-08-13 21:42 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add 'server' stats information to pCampbot, as used elsewhere in OpenSimulator
2014-08-13 21:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #3760 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-13 21:42 <justincc> hey lkalif, are you around?
2014-08-13 21:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3760: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3760/
2014-08-13 21:46 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Terminate 'nothing' behaviour (and potentially others) by signalling using an event rather than polling connection state every 100ms
2014-08-13 21:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #3761 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-13 22:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3761: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3761/
2014-08-13 22:03 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Only set up the UnackedMethod for an outgoing message if that message is actually meant to get an ack (because it's reliable).
2014-08-13 22:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #3762 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-08-13 22:17 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Remove redundant origin region lock in SP.CompleteMovement()
2014-08-13 22:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #3763 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-13 22:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3763: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3763/
2014-08-13 22:52 <osjenkins> jjustincc: On entity transfer of scene presence, replace polling sleep in SP.WaitForUpdateAgent() with a triggered event instead.
2014-08-13 22:58 <justincc> hey nebadon, are you around?
2014-08-13 22:58 <nebadon> yes
2014-08-13 23:00 <justincc> nebadon: when necessary, do you want to update oscc or should I work on those more automatic scripts (I don't really want to be doing it maunally unless it's extremely simple)
2014-08-13 23:01 <nebadon> i can update it
2014-08-13 23:01 <justincc> could you do so now?  I will probably start bot tests tomorrow as I've figured out the issues I had with pcampbot
2014-08-13 23:01 <nebadon> sure
2014-08-13 23:01 <nebadon> no more patches tonight?
2014-08-13 23:01 <justincc> essentially, it was simply running out of resources due to some very agressive polling, which I've now also improved
2014-08-13 23:01 <nebadon> or should i wait a bit?
2014-08-13 23:02 <justincc> probably not though still possible, so if you can most optimal is to wait
2014-08-13 23:02 <nebadon> ok not a problem
2014-08-13 23:02 <justincc> I'll let you know when I'm logging out
2014-08-13 23:02 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-13 23:51 <justincc> nebadon: ok, could you update please?
2014-08-13 23:52 <justincc> I would like to squeeze in a little initial test before I stop tonight
2014-08-13 23:52 <justincc> nebadon: actually, belay that.  I'm going to try to squeeze in a few more configurable parameters so I don't have to manually set these damn things every time
2014-08-13 23:53 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-13 23:53 <nebadon> im in a Avacon meeting at the moment anyway
2014-08-13 23:54 <justincc> ok
2014-08-13 23:54 <nebadon> another 10-20 minutes
2014-08-14 00:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #3764 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-14 00:02 <osmantis> Bug #7301:04 [BASE HTTP SERVER]: Firewall security probes throw exception System.InvalidCastException: Unable to cast object of type 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7301 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-08-14 00:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3764: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3764/
2014-08-14 00:05 <osjenkins> jamesh: Update OpenID server handler with proper interface. fixes http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7301
2014-08-14 00:10 <justincc> nebadon: so if I wanted to set config for keynotes regions but not other regions, would that be a problem?
2014-08-14 00:11 <nebadon> not a problem at all
2014-08-14 00:11 <nebadon> just edit the launch script
2014-08-14 00:11 <nebadon> in /bin
2014-08-14 00:11 <nebadon> you can point them to whatever config, i just havent done that yet, keep forgetting
2014-08-14 00:12 <nebadon> i'll try to do that for everything this weekend
2014-08-14 00:12 <justincc> keynote-01_launch.sh, etc?
2014-08-14 00:12 <nebadon> yep
2014-08-14 00:12 <justincc> so what do you mean by forgetting?  They look set up to me
2014-08-14 00:13 <nebadon> oh pointing to a centralized .config file
2014-08-14 00:13 <nebadon> with the proper switch for that
2014-08-14 00:13 <justincc> ah, I'm talking about *.ini and you're talking about *.config?
2014-08-14 00:13 <nebadon> ahh
2014-08-14 00:13 <nebadon> sorry
2014-08-14 00:13 <justincc> no worries :)
2014-08-14 00:13 <nebadon> you said config i assumed .config
2014-08-14 00:13 <justincc> undestandable
2014-08-14 00:13 <nebadon> but ya you know where the ini's are right?
2014-08-14 00:14 <justincc> yeah, it's in istuff I need to alter in this case, I only needed to adjust config for the stats stuff and that newline issue
2014-08-14 00:14 <justincc> yeah, those shell scripts make it clear
2014-08-14 00:14 <nebadon> ok cool
2014-08-14 00:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #3765 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-14 00:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3765: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3765/
2014-08-14 00:22 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Make some existing reprioritization values changeable outside the scene for test purposes, and use more consise property syntax.
2014-08-14 00:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #3766 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-08-14 00:47 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Make RootTerseUpdatePeriod and ChildTerseUpdatePeriod configurable in [InterestManagement] in OpenSim.ini for experimental purposes.
2014-08-14 00:47 <justincc> nebadon: ok that's it, everything I currently need is configurable
2014-08-14 00:48 <justincc> I would rather do it in configuration than start commands since then permanent explanation can be added to what these settings do.
2014-08-14 00:48 <justincc> nebadon: if you could update, that would be great.  I'll make the actual config changes tomorrow.
2014-08-14 00:48 <justincc> in the ini files
2014-08-14 00:50 <justincc> alright,time for me to take a break.  See you tomorrow
2014-08-14 01:13 <osmantis> Bug #7181:04 BulletSPlugin : The requested operation caused a stack overflow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7181 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-14 01:16 <Misterblue> diva: finally pong
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2014-08-14 07:06 <Plugh> 
ACTION does his happy dance

2014-08-14 07:06 <Plugh> I've just verified object to object email works between objects in a single region. Now to test it between regions.
2014-08-14 07:07 <Plugh> But that will have to wait for another day. Its time for bed.
2014-08-14 14:42 <osmantis> Bug #7181:04 BulletSPlugin : The requested operation caused a stack overflow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7181 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-14 14:54 <osmantis> Bug #7181:04 BulletSPlugin : The requested operation caused a stack overflow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7181 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-14 18:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #3767 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-14 18:52 <justincc> nebadon: I'm just going to be doing some bot testing on oscc soon
2014-08-14 18:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3767: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3767/
2014-08-14 18:52 <osjenkins> kevin: Added RestrictEmail to make llEmail only send to avatars email address if true.
2014-08-14 18:52 <osmantis> Bug #7296:04 Add ability to restrict destination of email sent via llEmail to avatars email address 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7296 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-14 18:55 <nebadon> justincc ok
2014-08-14 18:55 <nebadon> have at it :)
2014-08-14 18:55 <nebadon> everything is updated 
2014-08-14 18:55 <justincc> thanks
2014-08-14 19:00 <justincc> nebadon: so here's what looks like an inconsistency.  In keynote-1 OpenSim.ini, PersistBakedTextures = true for [Appearance] but not for the other keynotes.  An omission or deliberate?
2014-08-14 19:01 <nebadon> hmm
2014-08-14 19:01 <nebadon> not that was not intentional
2014-08-14 19:02 <nebadon> the odd thing about that too is Keynote 1 seems to run the worst
2014-08-14 19:02 <nebadon> you would think persisted baked textures would make things better
2014-08-14 19:02 <nebadon> not worse
2014-08-14 19:02 <justincc> kn 1 is the one always loaded up with real people.  I'm not sure even how relevant that setting is atm
2014-08-14 19:02 <nebadon> ya especially for your bots
2014-08-14 19:02 <nebadon> which tend to never bake
2014-08-14 19:02 <justincc> I'm not surprised kn1 is worst by some distance
2014-08-14 19:03 <justincc> how about I set it for the others and we should be able to tell if there's a significant perf deg
2014-08-14 19:03 <nebadon> sure
2014-08-14 19:03 <justincc> ok, cool
2014-08-14 20:04 <justincc> nebadon: ok, I now have 399 bots (+1 real) connected to keynotes.  Going to leave this going for a bit over dinner to assess stability
2014-08-14 20:11 <dahlia> what would be interesting is to record incoming messages from clients (agent updates, caps, asset requests, etc) and compare bots to humans
2014-08-14 20:22 <justincc> yes, esp. for the purposes of making the bots more like the humans, thuogh at the moment there are some very obvious ways they are not like humans
2014-08-14 20:22 <justincc> anyway, dinner time
2014-08-14 20:23 <Plugh> nebadon: I've tested object to object email and it works.
2014-08-14 20:23 <Plugh> I'm about to test o-to-o mail when the objects are in different regions.
2014-08-14 20:35 <nebadon> great Plugh
2014-08-14 20:36 <nebadon> ya BlueWall said it does work in same region
2014-08-14 20:40 <Plugh> nebadon: FYI, var regions are being pushed to the limit. I have a grid running vars of 4x4, a 8x8, 10x10, and 12x12. They have been told 10x10 is the upper suggested limit but the wanted 12x12 anyway. At least they aren't trying the 16x16 they originally were planning to run.
2014-08-14 20:42 <Plugh> The 12x12 is just land for now. The 10x10 has ~164,000 prims and ~28,000+ scripts.
2014-08-14 20:53 <nebadon> they are running ok Plugh?
2014-08-14 20:53 <nebadon> 165k prims is quite a lot of content
2014-08-14 20:53 <nebadon> must take forever to start
2014-08-14 20:54 <nebadon> i am amazed that 28k scripts work
2014-08-14 20:54 <nebadon> i would have estimated the upper boundry to be some where around 5000-6000 scripts at best
2014-08-14 20:54 <Plugh> yeah. The 10x10 is running around 46fps or 47fps. I haven't been looking that closely at the regions. I've been working on other stuff.
2014-08-14 20:54 <nebadon> I suspect they don't realize it but I have almost no doubt scripts are failing in that region
2014-08-14 20:55 <nebadon> good test though
2014-08-14 20:55 <Plugh> yea, I've seen red text now and then when I look at the console. I'm leaving the others to mess about with the vars.
2014-08-14 20:55 <nebadon> I am always up for pushing things far beyond the edge of what is sane
2014-08-14 20:55 <Plugh> yeah. Just thought you'd be interested. I'll give you updates as I have them about how its going.
2014-08-14 20:55 <Plugh> yeah
2014-08-14 20:55 <nebadon> ya thanks
2014-08-14 20:55 <Plugh> I haven't even TP'ed to that big var so no idea what its like there.
2014-08-14 20:59 <nebadon> probably takes forever for the content to load
2014-08-14 21:01 <Plugh> Hm... I'm told it takes about 60 seconds to load and about 4 minutes to load the scripts.
2014-08-14 21:02 <nebadon> i meant in the viewer
2014-08-14 21:02 <Plugh> oh.
2014-08-14 21:02 <nebadon> also i bet if you clear the cache and script dlls
2014-08-14 21:02 <nebadon> it probably takes more like 20-30 minutes to start up
2014-08-14 21:02 <nebadon> maybe even longer
2014-08-14 21:03 <nebadon> thats about how long Wright Plaza takes
2014-08-14 21:03 <Plugh> yea, if it had to recompile all the scripts it would take a lot longer to start.
2014-08-14 21:03 <nebadon> with like 35k prims and 2800 scripts
2014-08-14 21:03 <nebadon> WP has like 4000+ textures though
2014-08-14 21:03 <nebadon> lol
2014-08-14 21:03 <Plugh> 45 to 50 seconds with a draw distance of 1024?? 
2014-08-14 21:03 <nebadon> unique textures that is
2014-08-14 21:03 <Plugh> I'll have to test that myself.
2014-08-14 21:03 <nebadon> guess it depends on how its build
2014-08-14 21:04 <Plugh> yeah. I haven't been there. I'm working on a device to help manage rental on some small properties in the grid.
2014-08-14 21:04 <nebadon> nice
2014-08-14 21:06 <Plugh> It ties to a database. You touch a prim to claim/renew a parcel, an object in a region monitors prim usage and updates the database, and another device shows the status of all the rent properties, lets you get details about them and will let you manage them.
2014-08-14 21:07 <nebadon> nice
2014-08-14 21:07 <nebadon> I had something kind of like that in SL
2014-08-14 21:07 <nebadon> actually that thing made me more L$ than any other object i made
2014-08-14 21:07 <Plugh> oh. You sold the system you had?
2014-08-14 21:07 <nebadon> well over 100k L$ just from that one item
2014-08-14 21:07 <Plugh> oh, nice.
2014-08-14 21:07 <nebadon> ya it was a panel 
2014-08-14 21:08 <nebadon> that let you sell and manage your land
2014-08-14 21:08 <nebadon> wasnt as sophisticated as yours im sure
2014-08-14 21:08 <nebadon> was very basic, but people loved that thing
2014-08-14 21:08 <nebadon> its funny because i didnt have it out for sale anywhere
2014-08-14 21:08 <Plugh> I'm tying in to a database so that lets me do extra things that wouldn't be as easy to allow if I was selling the system.
2014-08-14 21:09 <Plugh> Word of mouth?
2014-08-14 21:09 <nebadon> every sale of that item was people seeing the board out being used by someone who bought it
2014-08-14 21:09 <nebadon> they would IM me and ask me how to buy it
2014-08-14 21:09 <nebadon> the one item i wasnt trying to sell outsold everything else i ever made combined probably
2014-08-14 21:09 <nebadon> lol
2014-08-14 21:09 <Plugh> :)
2014-08-14 21:09 <Plugh> Wish I had something like that.
2014-08-14 21:10 <Plugh> I keep making stuff that doesn't sell well if at all.
2014-08-14 21:10 <nebadon> most of the L$ i made in SL though was building regions and parcels for people who sucked at building
2014-08-14 21:10 <nebadon> there was like 4 or 5 of us working together
2014-08-14 21:10 <nebadon> thats where Oni Kenkon Creations came from
2014-08-14 21:10 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-08-14 21:11 <Plugh> I was in a group of builders but the person that oversaw things didn't seem to know what he wanted to do. Started out as making buildings then he started mucking about with full sims. I left them after a while.
2014-08-14 21:11 <Plugh> Most L$ I've gotten was from helping people with scripting.
2014-08-14 21:12 <Plugh> Never hit 100k L$ in the time I've been there from all the stuff I've done in there.
2014-08-14 21:13 <nebadon> I did a couple of times
2014-08-14 21:13 <nebadon> when the casinos were around
2014-08-14 21:13 <nebadon> hehe
2014-08-14 21:13 <Plugh> :)
2014-08-14 21:13 <nebadon> i made 55k one day playing blackjack
2014-08-14 21:13 <Plugh> nice.
2014-08-14 21:13 <nebadon> that was my record
2014-08-14 21:13 <nebadon> hehe
2014-08-14 21:13 <nebadon> thats when SL was really fun
2014-08-14 21:14 <nebadon> the casinos were so fun to hang out at
2014-08-14 21:15 <Plugh> I don't think I was in SL when they still had that type of casino. I mostly saw game machines with those ones that were hard to get enough points to win L$.
2014-08-14 21:16 <Plugh> I won a few L$ on a few of the free play games but that was just a way to kill some time rather than make it worth while for the few L$ you get if you were the high score at the end of a given time period.
2014-08-14 21:16 <nebadon> yea
2014-08-14 21:20 <Plugh> hm... doesn't look like email works between objects in different regions.
2014-08-14 21:21 <AliciaRaven> hi Plugh, there is a note in the code saying thats still todo
2014-08-14 21:23 <Plugh> Oh, figures. :P
2014-08-14 21:23 <Plugh> Didn't hurt to test it.
2014-08-14 21:25 <BlueWall_> It needs an external service like the xmlrpc grid router does ...
2014-08-14 21:26 <BlueWall> in SL, an object can have email sent to it if it uses the gent next message function
2014-08-14 21:27 <BlueWall> that registers it's object id with the global service, what can know which region it resides in.
2014-08-14 21:29 <nebadon> ya there is no fetch mechanism i assume
2014-08-14 21:29 <nebadon> like pop3'ish service
2014-08-14 21:29 <nebadon> its just smpt
2014-08-14 21:29 <nebadon> smtp*
2014-08-14 21:32 <nebadon> to me it always made more sense to just pipe data into and out of php or something
2014-08-14 21:32 <BlueWall> yep, I think we *might* be able to email between different regions in the same intance. But, not 100% sure about it.
2014-08-14 21:32 <nebadon> llEmail seems like such an inefficient way to do stuff
2014-08-14 21:32 <BlueWall> we have good http-in and xmlrpc support
2014-08-14 21:32 <nebadon> i have a really nice network vendor system i also developed in SL
2014-08-14 21:32 <nebadon> its not 100% complete but it works in SL
2014-08-14 21:33 <nebadon> unfortunately its totally reliant on the SL grid coordinates system and their money functions
2014-08-14 21:33 <nebadon> so it doesnt just work here
2014-08-14 21:33 <nebadon> would need to be modified, but it uses a PHP back end
2014-08-14 21:33 <BlueWall> when I was making that xmlrpc router, I used the same library that LL used, and it hung up just like theris, lol
2014-08-14 21:34 <BlueWall> I ditched the xmlrpc library and just make it focused on the one job and it works pretty smooth in tests.
2014-08-14 21:35 <BlueWall> So, I'm guessing that most of the hangup issues in SL with xmlrpc was the library they used to build their service, maybe.
2014-08-14 21:35 <BlueWall> I think you sent me a copy of that once.
2014-08-14 21:37 <nebadon> probably
2014-08-14 21:37 <nebadon> hehe
2014-08-14 21:37 <nebadon> it worked pretty good in SL
2014-08-14 21:37 <nebadon> put all your products in a central server
2014-08-14 21:38 <nebadon> than you just rezzed panels out anywhere in the grid and it would talk with the central server
2014-08-14 21:38 <nebadon> was cool
2014-08-14 21:38 <nebadon> at this point i completely forget how it works now
2014-08-14 21:38 <nebadon> that was a long time ago
2014-08-14 21:38 <BlueWall> I used to work on that king of thing a lot. Fun.
2014-08-14 21:39 <nebadon> wow check this out
2014-08-14 21:41 <nebadon> http://everestavalanchetragedy.com/mt-everest-journey.html
2014-08-14 21:41 <nebadon> this is crazy
2014-08-14 21:41 <nebadon> definitely never climbing Everest
2014-08-14 21:41 <nebadon> lol
2014-08-14 21:41 <BlueWall> pretty dangerous
2014-08-14 21:43 <BlueWall> 29K', wow. You could stand up there and flip people off as they passed by in airliners.
2014-08-14 21:45 <nebadon> lol
2014-08-14 21:45 <danbanner> i didnt see the ski lift?
2014-08-14 21:45 <nebadon> haha
2014-08-14 21:46 <nebadon> that mountain is pretty much Mount Death
2014-08-14 21:46 <BlueWall> I'm waiting for the Jeb Corliss video
2014-08-14 21:46 <nebadon> cant even get a helicopter up there 
2014-08-14 21:47 <danbanner> ya jebs a nut
2014-08-14 21:51 <danbanner> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWfph3iNC-k
2014-08-14 21:56 <justinccAfk> nebadon: ok, fyi, it appears we can now keep 400 bots in the keynotes indefinitely, though getting them in is still slightly tricky and like to be worse where there are real ppl there as well
2014-08-14 21:57 <justincc> loads are nowehere near realistic but this is still a good baseline
2014-08-14 21:57 <justincc> they've been around for about 2 hours now with no dropof
2014-08-14 21:57 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-14 21:57 <nebadon> and previously you couldnt get 400 bots in?
2014-08-14 21:58 <nebadon> just bots that is?
2014-08-14 21:58 <justincc> no, partly because pCampbot kept crashing or could not do it reliably
2014-08-14 21:58 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-14 21:58 <justincc> could sometimes get root agents in but not most of the children
2014-08-14 21:58 <nebadon> have you tried making pcampbots talk?
2014-08-14 21:58 <justincc> but now at 400 root agents and about 1482 children (still a few issues during login)
2014-08-14 21:59 <justincc> no. I could do that at some stage.  I do need behaviours that aren't quite as harsh as making them all suddenly bounce around
2014-08-14 21:59 <nebadon> might be good to do that too
2014-08-14 21:59 <justincc> tbh, next thing will be to incrase the agentupdate flow inwards since that's the huge omission
2014-08-14 22:00 <nebadon> ok glad your making some progress
2014-08-14 22:01 <justincc> and a couple of other things I want to look at.  There are still some oddities with packet resends apparantly occuring without the resend flag marked
2014-08-14 22:01 <justincc> and an exception during login which I should be able to trace fairly easily
2014-08-14 22:01 <justincc> getting a stable bot load is crucial to work out if changes make a positive or negative (hopefully not) difference
2014-08-14 22:12 <LiruCookies> Do the bots strain the servers as much as the normal users do?
2014-08-14 22:17 <Plugh> nebadon, BlueWall: I thought about doing email in a similar fashion to how offline IM's work.
2014-08-14 22:17 <nebadon> LiroCookies not likely
2014-08-14 22:17 <nebadon> in some ways it can be worse, others its not even close
2014-08-14 22:17 <nebadon> like logging in with pcampbot is pretty unrealistic
2014-08-14 22:18 <nebadon> pcampbot can definitely be good for bashing on physics too
2014-08-14 22:18 <nebadon> making them run around like crazy people
2014-08-14 22:25 <Plugh> The everest link is stuck on "Loading"
2014-08-14 22:41 <dahlia> 
ACTION wants to climb

2014-08-14 22:48 <dahlia> one problem with using masses of libomv clients is they all share a common cache
2014-08-14 22:49 <dahlia> so asset downloads wont be anything like regular viewers
2014-08-14 22:50 <dahlia> and serving assets to viewers has been a problem area before
2014-08-14 22:51 <nebadon> does pcampbot even have a cache?
2014-08-14 22:51 <dahlia> libomv handles it
2014-08-14 22:51 <nebadon> or you just mean they are already in memory
2014-08-14 22:51 <nebadon> ya
2014-08-14 22:52 <justincc> pCampbot disables libomv asset cache
2014-08-14 22:52 <justincc> but it's not downloading assets yet anyway atm
2014-08-14 22:52 <dahlia> so any problems that may exist with serving assets is likely being masked by all the bots
2014-08-14 22:52 <nebadon> ya ive been using Radegast for my bots
2014-08-14 22:52 <nebadon> but its way more time consuming
2014-08-14 22:53 <dahlia> radegast has a shared cache
2014-08-14 22:53 <dahlia> so same problem
2014-08-14 22:53 <dahlia> and Im not even sure radegast will download unless the 3d view is running
2014-08-14 22:53 <nebadon> well its the same for any viewer
2014-08-14 22:53 <dahlia> no its not
2014-08-14 22:53 <dahlia> people who run viewers dont all share the same cache
2014-08-14 22:54 <nebadon> normal LL viewers dont share cache?
2014-08-14 22:54 <nebadon> i mean if i log in 50 viewers from same machine
2014-08-14 22:54 <dahlia> perhaps but thats unrealistic also
2014-08-14 22:54 <nebadon> ya its pretty much impossible to replicate real users with bots
2014-08-14 22:54 <nebadon> thats a given
2014-08-14 22:54 <justincc> I am well aware of the defiiciences of pCampbot, but it's good enough to reveal issues right now
2014-08-14 22:55 <dahlia> well a bot could be designed to download some assets regardless of the existance of a cache
2014-08-14 22:55 <nebadon> ya the fact that it runs so terribly bad with pcampbot alone
2014-08-14 22:55 <nebadon> shows there are many problems
2014-08-14 22:55 <justincc> as I said, pCampbot disables asset cache and would do exactly that
2014-08-14 22:55 <justincc> if it was enabled
2014-08-14 22:55 <dahlia> disabling the cache isnt realistic either
2014-08-14 22:55 <justincc> so are you going to write a realistic bot, dahlia?
2014-08-14 22:56 <dahlia> because many viewers will have some content in cache already
2014-08-14 22:56 <dahlia> justincc: no
2014-08-14 22:56 <justincc> well then
2014-08-14 22:56 <dahlia> I'm commenting on the test. Is that out of line?
2014-08-14 22:56 <justincc> no, but I'm saying I am well aware of all these problems
2014-08-14 22:56 <nebadon> I don't disagree
2014-08-14 22:56 <nebadon> but until we can get 400+ pcampbots to run well
2014-08-14 22:56 <justincc> I have been using pCampbot and made a lot of changes to it over thre past years
2014-08-14 22:56 <nebadon> none of that matters
2014-08-14 22:56 <justincc> and inspected the internals of waht libomv is doing
2014-08-14 22:57 <dahlia> justincc: you may be aware but not everybody is
2014-08-14 22:57 <nebadon> because right now the simulator seems to just barely tolerate 400 bots even without all that stuff you are saying
2014-08-14 22:57 <dahlia> Im not attacking you justincc, Im discussing the testing
2014-08-14 22:57 <BlueWall> you can probably control more aspects of the experiment and get more defined results that way.
2014-08-14 22:57 <BlueWall> justincc, are you using nunit to run them?
2014-08-14 22:57 <justincc> ok
2014-08-14 22:58 <justincc> no
2014-08-14 22:58 <BlueWall> what if you had nunit tests driving it?
2014-08-14 22:58 <nebadon> baby steps :) theoretically if we can get the simulator to run say like 1000 pcampbots that would be an impressive feat
2014-08-14 22:58 <nebadon> even if its not realistic
2014-08-14 22:58 <justincc> nunit is not suitable for this kidn of thing
2014-08-14 22:58 <nebadon> a lot of improvements would come of that
2014-08-14 22:58 <justincc> it's a regression test tool where results are predictable and checkable
2014-08-14 22:59 <BlueWall> ok, sure, you're not really wanting to know what is happening on the bot side.
2014-08-14 23:01 <BlueWall> it seems that most of the time there are so many things to look at, it's overwhelming.
2014-08-14 23:01 <justincc> it is a complex system, that's the challenge
2014-08-14 23:02 <BlueWall> a stack of many complex systems, lol
2014-08-14 23:03 <justincc> for me, it's being able to identify performance changes.  I don't believe in changing things without being able to measure the effects
2014-08-14 23:03 <justincc> which is why I've spent so long on getting these damn bots to at least work at the level they are atm
2014-08-14 23:03 <BlueWall> well, making assumptions usually leads to a darker place
2014-08-14 23:04 <dahlia> and tests should be peer reviewed
2014-08-14 23:05 <BlueWall> I have never written a test. I should try to do that soon.
2014-08-14 23:06 <BlueWall> it's a good practice, I think.
2014-08-14 23:07 <justincc> hey, it's what the professionals do ;)
2014-08-14 23:07 <BlueWall> :)
2014-08-14 23:13 <smxy_> Then why do you write them, justincc?
2014-08-14 23:13 <smxy_> <ducks> 
2014-08-14 23:14 <smxy_> In case you aren't sure, that *was* humor. :)
2014-08-14 23:14 <justincc> ngggadasdashghhhhh, damn you smxy!
2014-08-14 23:14 <justincc> j/k
2014-08-14 23:14 <smxy_> hehe
2014-08-14 23:14 <smxy_> You rather walked into it. :)
2014-08-15 00:29 <justincc> nebadon: you've got a mysql backup running?
2014-08-15 00:35 <justincc> nebadon: arlight, don't worry - slow for a while but all bots now disconnected and keynotes restarted.  Time for me to rest.  Goodnight
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2014-08-15 04:36 <nebadon> hey orenh
2014-08-15 04:40 <orenh> hi
2014-08-15 04:40 <orenh> hi nebadon
2014-08-15 04:45 <nebadon> hey
2014-08-15 04:45 <nebadon> do you think you would be interested in partaking in the Developer panel at OSCC14?
2014-08-15 04:45 <nebadon> i know you said you don't have time to do a presentation, but would you sit in on a open panel, there is no prep work or anything
2014-08-15 04:46 <nebadon> just kind of like a open talk question/answer session for 1 hour I think
2014-08-15 04:47 <nebadon> It would be good to have someone from Kitely
2014-08-15 04:47 <orenh> do you know when it will be?
2014-08-15 04:47 <nebadon> its Nov 8/9th this year, I am not sure exactly the time yet
2014-08-15 04:47 <nebadon> the schedule is not finalized quite yet
2014-08-15 04:47 <orenh> let me get back to you on that
2014-08-15 04:47 <nebadon> we are deep in the planning phase now
2014-08-15 04:47 <nebadon> sure
2014-08-15 04:48 <nebadon> no rush
2014-08-15 04:48 <nebadon> it came up at todays meeting
2014-08-15 04:48 <nebadon> you might hear from Justin as well
2014-08-15 04:48 <orenh> ok
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2014-08-15 20:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #3768 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-15 20:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3768: SUCCESS in 7 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3768/
2014-08-15 20:55 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: On teleport to a region that already has a child agent established (e.g. a neighbour) don't resend all the initial avatar and object data again.
2014-08-15 20:55 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: If a user moves back in sight of a child region before the agent has been closed on teleport, don't unnecessarily resend all avatar and object data about that region.
2014-08-15 20:56 <justincc> hi nebadon, are you around?
2014-08-15 21:17 <justincc> hey Misterblue, are you around?
2014-08-15 21:22 <techplex> Question: MisterBlue = Robert Adams?
2014-08-15 21:22 <justincc> yep
2014-08-15 21:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #3769 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-15 21:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3769: FAILURE in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3769/
2014-08-15 21:47 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Resolve a small race condition on removing bot behaviours that might leave previous behaviour active
2014-08-15 21:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #3770 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #3768 59 min ago)
2014-08-15 21:51 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2014-08-15 21:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3770: FIXED in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3770/
2014-08-15 21:51 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Don't allow the last behavior to be removed from a pCampbot bot
2014-08-15 22:01 <nebadon> justincc grid is updated
2014-08-15 22:01 <nebadon> afk a few
2014-08-15 22:01 <nebadon> everything is restarted too
2014-08-15 22:01 <justincc> nebadon: thanks
2014-08-15 22:10 <Plugh> AllenKerensky, dahlia, BlueWall: thanks for the comments/feedback.
2014-08-15 22:11 <AllenKerensky> welcome Plugh
2014-08-15 22:12 <Plugh> Yes, a call to llGetNextEmail is required to create the mail queue. 
2014-08-15 22:12 <Plugh> dahlia: I'm sure I understand your question about whether external email works for scripts. llEmail will send mail to RL email boxes.
2014-08-15 22:13 <Plugh> llEmail is only checking a local queue maintained by the instance from which the script which called llEmail is running.
2014-08-15 22:21 <Plugh> A regular email service wouldn't handle the need for a "get next" before you can send to it and would wind up having to deal with mail boxes for all the prims expecting mail.
2014-08-15 22:22 <Plugh> dahlia: I'm not sure what might be the "best" solution either. It is why I asked the question so I could ideas on how it might be implemented.
2014-08-15 22:25 <BlueWall> The part between the object and the global service doesn't really seem like an email service (imap, pop3, smtp/ETRN, etc.)
2014-08-15 22:29 <Plugh> Hold hose thoughts. Dinner is ready. bbl
2014-08-15 22:29 <Plugh> s/hose/those/
2014-08-15 22:45 <nebadon> back
2014-08-15 22:46 <nebadon> hows it going justincc
2014-08-15 22:51 <justincc> I've a feeling I know what some of the issues are, but it's a question of actually demonstrating that sufficiently and working out what could be done about it
2014-08-15 22:51 <justincc> I'm currently loading 200 bots on kns
2014-08-15 23:02 <justincc> lkalif: how is the _Packets_.cs file generated from the data/message_template.msg ?
2014-08-15 23:03 <justincc> nebadon: you'll be scared to know that i've worked out i can login bots at a rate of 2 per second, at least to otherwise empty regions
2014-08-15 23:03 <justincc> well, keynotes that is
2014-08-15 23:03 <justincc> sorry, 1 per 2 seconds
2014-08-15 23:06 <lkalif> justincc: bin/mapgenerator.exe
2014-08-15 23:06 <lkalif> there is template.cs and unusedpackets.txt somewhere in the soure tree
2014-08-15 23:06 <lkalif> I forget ewhere
2014-08-15 23:07 <justincc> lkalif: is the Reliable flag encoded in one of those files?
2014-08-15 23:07 <lkalif> it's in the template fike
2014-08-15 23:07 <lkalif> file
2014-08-15 23:08 <lkalif> justincc: what is it you're attempting to do?
2014-08-15 23:08 <lkalif> not all packets are marked reliable, that can be sent reliable
2014-08-15 23:08 <justincc> I'm wondering why StartPingCheck and CompletePingCheck are marked as Reliable in _Packets_.cs but other libomv code switches that to false
2014-08-15 23:08 <nebadon> cool
2014-08-15 23:08 <nebadon> i just logged into Keynote 1
2014-08-15 23:08 <justincc> it strikes me that there's not much point having reliable pings
2014-08-15 23:08 <nebadon> hope that doesnt mess you up
2014-08-15 23:09 <nebadon> just wanted to see how it feels
2014-08-15 23:09 <justincc> yeah, I just want to assess the movement issues on teleport
2014-08-15 23:09 <nebadon> movement is a little lagged
2014-08-15 23:09 <nebadon> login felt harsh
2014-08-15 23:09 <nebadon> i couldnt move for a bit
2014-08-15 23:09 <justincc> yeah
2014-08-15 23:10 <justincc> part of that is because of the data that is being sent to you on initial login.  But part might be that we still don't prioritize self mvmt packets enough
2014-08-15 23:10 <justincc> it strikes me that it would be better to do that so that you can at least always move.  Being stuck in place is a bad feel
2014-08-15 23:10 <justincc> but I think there are also underlying issues with the way updates are handled by requiring a lot of spare threadpool threads
2014-08-15 23:10 <lkalif> justincc: Programs/mapgenerator contains the source code for the parser and _Packets_.cs generator
2014-08-15 23:11 <justincc> lkalif: ok, I'll look through this.  So it could be that they're marked as reliable by linden but actually should be unreliable?
2014-08-15 23:11 <nebadon> you have avatar appearance deliberatly reduced justincc?
2014-08-15 23:11 <justincc> or could be unreliable?
2014-08-15 23:11 <nebadon> for the bots?
2014-08-15 23:11 <justincc> nebadon: what do you mean?
2014-08-15 23:11 <nebadon> im wondering if logging them in that fast causes baking issues
2014-08-15 23:11 <nebadon> most of your avatars are either a naked ruth
2014-08-15 23:11 <nebadon> or gas cloud
2014-08-15 23:11 <justincc> no, I think there's a general issue that I should look into really....
2014-08-15 23:11 <nebadon> i dont see a single avatar properl
2014-08-15 23:11 <justincc> naked ruths aren't a big concern right now though
2014-08-15 23:11 <justincc> yeah... something moght have changed here
2014-08-15 23:12 <nebadon> id say 50/50
2014-08-15 23:12 <justincc> could be associated with login speed and load preventing some messages from getting back in a timely manner regarding appearance requirements
2014-08-15 23:12 <lkalif> justincc: sender can change if the packet is sent reliable or not, it doesn't have to be predetermined
2014-08-15 23:12 <nebadon> which correlates to what i noticed at load tests
2014-08-15 23:12 <nebadon> around 200 logged in avatars
2014-08-15 23:12 <lkalif> in fact same packets are somtimes sent reliable and sometimes not
2014-08-15 23:12 <nebadon> everyone after that is gas cloud
2014-08-15 23:12 <justincc> lkalif: ok
2014-08-15 23:12 <nebadon> even with my radegast bots
2014-08-15 23:13 <justincc> yeah, definitely rough approaching 400
2014-08-15 23:13 <justincc> 200 isn't too bad, thuogh stilll laggy
2014-08-15 23:14 <nebadon> ya but 200-250 is when everyone after that becomes gas cloud
2014-08-15 23:14 <nebadon> and nothing you do can get you unclouded
2014-08-15 23:14 <justincc> that might be a bit better than eing naked though....
2014-08-15 23:14 <justincc> I am not entirely sure why everybody is suddenly naked
2014-08-15 23:14 <nebadon> your bots have been naked for weeks
2014-08-15 23:14 <justincc> oh really?
2014-08-15 23:14 <nebadon> ya
2014-08-15 23:15 <nebadon> for me anyway
2014-08-15 23:15 <justincc> I often can't look because I'm running my client on the system which crashes if you so much as turn around....
2014-08-15 23:15 <justincc> I'll run on my main sys from now on
2014-08-15 23:17 <nebadon> ya
2014-08-15 23:17 <nebadon> don't you have a second machine you can fire up?
2014-08-15 23:17 <nebadon> i use 3 computers during the load tests
2014-08-15 23:17 <nebadon> with 5 screens
2014-08-15 23:17 <nebadon> lol
2014-08-15 23:17 <justincc> yeah, it's  a case of actually putting ubuntu on it, etc., etc.
2014-08-15 23:17 <justincc> I should probably make the effort
2014-08-15 23:19 <justincc> also, singu seems to send a whole bunch of GenericMessage at alternating 50 and 70 sec intervals.  Haven't looked to see what that is yet
2014-08-15 23:20 <justincc> just surprises me
2014-08-15 23:20 <nebadon> only singularity does it?
2014-08-15 23:21 <justincc> I haven't looked in detail at this, just something I noticed whilst looking for something else
2014-08-15 23:21 <justincc> btw, you don't have enough chairs to sit 400 ppl
2014-08-15 23:22 <justincc> I just force sat the bots and some are still standing because all the seats are filled by the look of it
2014-08-15 23:22 <justincc> yeah, 70 seats in kn1 at least, not counting stage
2014-08-15 23:24 <justincc> I am going to concentrate on sitting bots in the future.  I think physics is an issue though it's a little harder to measure with that separate thread
2014-08-15 23:25 <justincc> yeah, maybe i do have to work out what's going wrong with clothes, this isn't very sfw
2014-08-15 23:26 <justincc> thuogh I guess one could just pretend they're all mannekins
2014-08-15 23:26 <justincc> yeah, there are only 60 seats in other regions
2014-08-15 23:26 <nebadon> ya im not sure physics stats are vital right now
2014-08-15 23:26 <justincc> so you need almost 30 more in kn1 and 40 more in the other 3 regions
2014-08-15 23:26 <nebadon> because improving stats on physics is a lot of work
2014-08-15 23:26 <nebadon> ah ok
2014-08-15 23:27 <justincc> well, stats probably aren't such a big problem... actually improve phys o nthe other hand...
2014-08-15 23:27 <nebadon> ya its going to get a bit overhauled
2014-08-15 23:27 <nebadon> right
2014-08-15 23:27 <nebadon> thats what im saying
2014-08-15 23:27 <justincc> yeah, I can sit the other bots on the floor in the mean time
2014-08-15 23:27 <nebadon> the stats are not useful much unless your planning on fixing physics
2014-08-15 23:27 <nebadon> the fix for physics would probably be to enabled multithreading
2014-08-15 23:27 <justincc> well, they do give you an idea if it's phys overloading the system or one of the other sources of overload
2014-08-15 23:27 <nebadon> or GPU support too :P
2014-08-15 23:27 <justincc> except when everything is on fire, when just everything is haywire
2014-08-15 23:28 <nebadon> well physics can only use 1 core
2014-08-15 23:28 <nebadon> i dont think it could overwhelm the whole system
2014-08-15 23:28 <nebadon> especially since its not on the heartbeat thread
2014-08-15 23:28 <justincc> that's a good point
2014-08-15 23:30 <nebadon> at one point Sisyphus had over 100k physical cubes
2014-08-15 23:30 <nebadon> and i could still move around
2014-08-15 23:30 <nebadon> i was even able to return all the prims
2014-08-15 23:30 <nebadon> and things went immediately back to normal
2014-08-15 23:32 <justincc> alright, I'm not learning a lot more right now.  I'm going to log off my 200 to do some local things.  I'm going to leave your 200 on just in case I want to come check on something since it will be a little less time to get everyghing in again
2014-08-15 23:33 <nebadon> sure
2014-08-16 00:09 <justincc> nebadon: alright, that's it for today.  I've withdrawn all bots and restarted the keynotes
2014-08-16 00:10 <justincc> goodnight
2014-08-16 00:11 <NickyP> Bluewall did you speak to justincc about http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ?
2014-08-16 00:53 <BlueWall> NickyP, I did at the meeting Tuesday.
2014-08-16 00:53 <NickyP> kk ty
2014-08-16 00:54 <BlueWall> What I found is that the inventory items are getting requested multiple times, seems as long as the avatar is in the regions the list grows.
2014-08-16 00:54 <BlueWall> Do you know if the viewer will re-request an item?
2014-08-16 00:55 <BlueWall> I found that the request was smooth and would complete in around 2 seconds - that is between the simulator and the inventory service.
2014-08-16 00:55 <NickyP> idk I have seen some retry using wingridproxy but I think that was textures
2014-08-16 00:56 <BlueWall> I saw the bulk of items were requested more than 60 times.
2014-08-16 00:57 <BlueWall> I can get some more network dumps will the viewer included this time and see.
2014-08-16 00:59 <NickyP> the console debug http is that the viewer <-> server/sim?
2014-08-16 01:00 <BlueWall> you know, I didn't look at that a whole lot. Just the stats to see the requests, queue and completed requests
2014-08-16 01:01 <BlueWall> I am pretty sure those are sim<---->service
2014-08-16 01:01 <BlueWall> I am suspecting that the replies are hanging in the queue for some reason.
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2014-08-16 02:46 <osmantis> Bug #7229:04 Teleport from Var to normal sim, both with latest dev master and Viewer locks up about 10-15 secs after TP completes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7229 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-16 02:47 <osmantis> Bug #6758:04 Even when UpdatePrioritizationScheme = BestAvatarResponsiveness is used, AV skin and clothes are usually the last thing to rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6758 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-08-16 02:47 <osmantis> Bug #6758:04 Even when UpdatePrioritizationScheme = BestAvatarResponsiveness is used, AV skin and clothes are usually the last thing to rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6758 ): has been CLOSED
2014-08-16 02:47 <osmantis> Bug #6982:04 Friends online and inventory not working well when logging into a sim with many prims surrounded by sims with older software. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6982 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-08-16 02:47 <osmantis> Bug #6988:04 Master report for issues caused by Avinaion code drop - please link issues that qualify to this as children 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6988 ): The RELATED issue 0006982 has been RESOLVED.
2014-08-16 02:48 <osmantis> Bug #6982:04 Friends online and inventory not working well when logging into a sim with many prims surrounded by sims with older software. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6982 ): has been CLOSED
2014-08-16 02:48 <osmantis> Bug #6988:04 Master report for issues caused by Avinaion code drop - please link issues that qualify to this as children 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6988 ): The RELATED issue 0006982 has been CLOSED.
2014-08-16 02:48 <osmantis> Bug #6854:04 We need an option to not show AVs on map for privacy reasons. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6854 ): has been ACKNOWLEDGED.
2014-08-16 02:50 <osmantis> Bug #7230:04 Teleport into SW 256x256 area of a var causes terrain to load reverse order than normal. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7230 ): has been CLOSED
2014-08-16 02:51 <osmantis> Bug #7297:04 When walking or flying, AV often gets stuck walking or flying and cannot stop without relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7297 ): has been CONFIRMED.
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2014-08-16 15:07 <nebadon> jakdaniels oscc meeting
2014-08-16 16:45 <jakdaniels> nebadon, sorry missed it, I couldn't get back home in time, but I'll get a catch up from Key
2014-08-16 23:00 <osmantis> Bug #7282:04 DATASNAPSHOT - Unable to decode reply from data service 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7282 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-08-17 01:42 <osmantis> Bug #7302:04 Inventory , skin, clothing, and even landmarks disappear once avatar relogs. Avatar appears cloud 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7302 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2014-08-17 11:19 <osmantis> Bug #7289:04 Login more than 11 avatars cause ruthed avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7289 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-17 11:21 <osmantis> Bug #7302:04 Inventory , skin, clothing, and even landmarks disappear once avatar relogs. Avatar appears cloud 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7302 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-17 13:52 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-17 14:12 <Misterblue> ping diva_
2014-08-17 15:00 <osmantis> Bug #7302:04 Inventory , skin, clothing, and even landmarks disappear once avatar relogs. Avatar appears cloud 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7302 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-17 15:58 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-17 16:00 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-17 16:13 <osmantis> Bug #7303:04 llMoveToTarget not working properly with bulletsim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7303 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-08-17 16:23 <osmantis> Bug #7304:04 llTargetOmega not implemented for Physical object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7304 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-08-17 16:24 <osmantis> Bug #7304:04 llTargetOmega not implemented for Physical object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7304 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006543.
2014-08-17 16:24 <osmantis> Bug #6543:04 llTargetOmega not work on physical prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6543 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007304.
2014-08-17 16:43 <osmantis> Bug #7303:04 llMoveToTarget not working properly with bulletsim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7303 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-08-17 18:23 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-17 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #6854:04 We need an option to not show AVs on map for privacy reasons. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6854 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-17 20:54 <osmantis> Bug #7305:04 Assignment /= fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7305 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-08-17 20:56 <osmantis> Bug #7305:04 Assignment /= fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7305 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-08-17 20:59 <osmantis> Bug #7167:04 [BulletSim] : llSetKeyframedMotion no 100% working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7167 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-18 00:29 <frank_> password
2014-08-18 00:29 <BlueWall> &@dr56&&210#2
2014-08-18 00:30 <Misterblue> no1knowsit
2014-08-18 00:31 <nebadon> lol
2014-08-18 00:50 <Plugh> Password? What else but 'password'.  ;)
2014-08-18 00:52 <Misterblue> since everyone knows not to use 'password', I'm sure all the crackers have removed it from their lists to save time
2014-08-18 00:53 <BlueWall> it was amazing to see the leaked MtGox list, lol 
2014-08-18 03:36 <frank_> I was trying to get to the freenode password thingy - that is not mine - lol
2014-08-18 04:33 <LiruCookies> orenh: Ping
2014-08-18 04:33 <orenh> hi
2014-08-18 04:35 <LiruCookies> The other day you said the plugin that relied on --loginuri is no longer in use, is this parameter still needed?
2014-08-18 04:37 <orenh> although we (Kitely) don't use this parameter, there may be others that do. It's best not to remove it unless absolutely necessary. If it's really a problem then please ask in the opensim-users or opensim-dev mailing lists; that's a bigger audience than this IRC channel
2014-08-18 04:38 <LiruCookies> It is on singu's tracker as a feature request, this is why I ask, not to remove existing functionality but to expend time adding functionality.
2014-08-18 04:38 <orenh> if it's something I sent then no, we don't need it anymore
2014-08-18 04:40 <LiruCookies> In Singularity, the login uri can literally be pasted i.to a box on the login screen now, rendering the commandline obsolete if not for plugins.
2014-08-18 04:40 <orenh> it can also be used for desktop shortcuts
2014-08-18 04:40 <orenh> I think that was the original purpose
2014-08-18 04:56 <osmantis> Bug #7181:04 BulletSPlugin : The requested operation caused a stack overflow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7181 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-08-18 07:38 <osmantis> Bug #7181:04 BulletSPlugin : The requested operation caused a stack overflow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7181 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-18 08:17 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-18 08:25 <osmantis> Bug #7306:04 [USER MANAGEMENT MODULE]: GetServerURLs call failed System.Net.WebException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7306 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-08-18 10:42 <osmantis> Bug #7307:04 [DATASNAPSHOT]: Caught unknown exception while trying to load snapshot 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7307 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-08-18 13:26 <osmantis> Bug #7181:04 BulletSPlugin : The requested operation caused a stack overflow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7181 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-18 13:48 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-18 16:00 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-18 16:58 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-18 17:01 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-18 17:09 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-18 17:32 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-18 18:17 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-18 20:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #3771 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2014-08-18 20:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3771: SUCCESS in 8 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3771/
2014-08-18 20:12 <osjenkins> kevin: Prevent exception if inventory item in llGiveInventory() call doesn't exist.
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2014-08-18 23:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #3772 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-18 23:21 <justincc> hey nebadon, are you around?
2014-08-18 23:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3772: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3772/
2014-08-18 23:21 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Make LLUDPServer.Scene publicly gettable/privately settable instead of protected so that other logging code in the clientstack can record more useful information
2014-08-18 23:21 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Add experimental OutgoingQueueRefillEngine to handle queue refill processing on a controlled number of threads rather than the threadpool.
2014-08-18 23:25 <Misterblue> ping justincc... you were looking for me the other day
2014-08-18 23:26 <justincc> Misterblue: yeah, I was wondering if there was an easy way in BulletSim to ignore avatar to avatar collisions?
2014-08-18 23:26 <justincc> I had a look but nothing obvious leapt out at me.  Processing looked more internal to BulletSim where ODE had a callback which allowed you to do different things with different potential colliders
2014-08-18 23:27 <Misterblue> 'ignore' as in not passing them to the simulator?
2014-08-18 23:27 <justincc> more ignore as not checking if they collide or not
2014-08-18 23:28 <Misterblue> hummm... I'd have to look. Could be just changing the collision flags would work
2014-08-18 23:29 <justincc> just something someone suggested for reducing phys load on keynotes which seems to make sense
2014-08-18 23:29 <Misterblue> BulletSim does the same thing as ODE is generating a collision for every avatar every simulation tick
2014-08-18 23:30 <Misterblue> that is used in ScenePresence to update avatar animations
2014-08-18 23:30 <Misterblue> but it seems that the update call on the simulator tick also updates the avatar animations
2014-08-18 23:31 <Misterblue> I've never checked out whether the overhead of collisions from the physics engine could be removed
2014-08-18 23:31 <justincc> in ODE there is a callback function near() that, if I remember correctly, is called by ODE for potential collisio ncandidates
2014-08-18 23:32 <justincc> there's code in there at line 1320 that allows you to not process av to av collisions any further
2014-08-18 23:32 <justincc> if (av_av_collisions_off)
2014-08-18 23:32 <justincc>                     if ((p1 is OdeCharacter) && (p2 is OdeCharacter))
2014-08-18 23:32 <justincc>                         skipThisContact = true;
2014-08-18 23:32 <Misterblue> ya... but that means the collsion CPU calculation has already happened... the only question there is whether to bother the simulator with the collision
2014-08-18 23:32 <Misterblue> the savings with BulletSim would be not spending the CPU time to see of the avatar is colliding
2014-08-18 23:33 <Misterblue> I think passing the collision up is not very heavy weight if health checks are turned off
2014-08-18 23:33 <Misterblue> if you look in ScenePresence, you'll see that it updates animations and then does health updates
2014-08-18 23:33 <Misterblue> updating the animation can be expensive -- there are a lot of checks in there
2014-08-18 23:33 <justincc> yeah, maybe more of the processing is actually in opensim than the phys engine in this case
2014-08-18 23:34 <justincc> I never measured which part was more expensive or really measured the effect of turning off av to av - it's just something that intuitively makes sense because that's the major cause of slowdown when I pile in lots of pCampbots without sitting them :)
2014-08-18 23:34 <justincc> and they're just standing around but more or less on top of each other
2014-08-18 23:34 <Misterblue> BulletSim has to do the avatar collision sensing so they don't fall through the floor :)
2014-08-18 23:34 <justincc> yeah, you would always have to do av to prim sensing
2014-08-18 23:34 <justincc> it's more then av to av case
2014-08-18 23:35 <justincc> the
2014-08-18 23:35 <Misterblue> the av to av collisions might be easy to fix...
2014-08-18 23:37 <Misterblue> in BulletSimData.cs, there are the flag masks on what can collide with what...
2014-08-18 23:37 <justincc> so something in the flags you reckon?  I might take a deeper look if I have an opporutnity, if you think it may be possible in principle
2014-08-18 23:37 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-08-18 23:38 <Misterblue> CollisionType.Avatar collides with CollisionFilterGroups.BAllGroup (i.e., everything)
2014-08-18 23:39 <Misterblue> could have it collide with "CollisionFilterGroups.BAllGroup & ~CollisionFilterGroups.BCharacterGroup"
2014-08-18 23:39 <justincc> ok, cool
2014-08-18 23:39 <Misterblue> those flags a bit masks that are passed down to the lowest levels of Bullet for collision computations
2014-08-18 23:40 <Misterblue> the comment above those definitions explains how it works
2014-08-18 23:40 <justincc> I may well have a look sometime.  Might be that it actually makes little difference but worth a check
2014-08-18 23:41 <justincc> does reduce simulation 'fidelity' but I'll accept that if it's a major cost when there's pretty much only other avs to collide with apart from floor and some of the barriers
2014-08-18 23:42 <Misterblue> I haven't done measurements but I'm hoping the Bullet 2.82 compound-to-compound collision algorithm makes object collisions less CPU intensive
2014-08-18 23:42 <Misterblue> my testing so far shows it doesn't solve all the problems -- my hanging vehicle on a rail still fails :-(
2014-08-18 23:42 <Misterblue> but collision computation should be quicker
2014-08-18 23:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #3773 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-18 23:43 <justincc> sounds good.  Are changes quite major between bullet releases?
2014-08-18 23:43 <Misterblue> if you saw the email, I but the new version of Bullet on a branch... didn't want to upset your apple cart if there was brokerage somewhere
2014-08-18 23:44 <justincc> thanks, I really appreciate that.  It's hard to determine where the performance issues really are if quite a lot is changing in master
2014-08-18 23:44 <Misterblue> not 2.81. to 2.82.... mostly added functions which I don't enable so they won't effect things
2014-08-18 23:45 <Misterblue> I'm getting ready for Bullet 3.0 which will have a new rigid body collision pipeline with hardware acceleration
2014-08-18 23:45 <justincc> though hopefully phys is somewhat contained
2014-08-18 23:45 <Misterblue> that will be a change
2014-08-18 23:45 <justincc> yeah, hw accel would be very interesting
2014-08-18 23:46 <Misterblue> Erwin (the Bullet author/keeper) is now working at Google and there is a push for finally finishing the hardware accelerated version
2014-08-18 23:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3773: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3773/
2014-08-18 23:47 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add clientstack.<scene>.OQRERequestsWaiting stat
2014-08-18 23:47 <Misterblue> but, I've rebuilt my compiling system so I can make new versions again
2014-08-18 23:47 <justincc> cool
2014-08-18 23:47 <Misterblue> it's a pain having to compile multiple versions for multiple architectures
2014-08-18 23:48 <justincc> yeah, that took me quite a while with ODE
2014-08-18 23:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #3774 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-08-19 00:02 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor:Give console feedback when we sit or stand pCampbot bots.
2014-08-19 01:16 <Misterblue> ping nebadon
2014-08-19 01:31 <nebadon> hey Misterblue
2014-08-19 01:31 <Misterblue> pong
2014-08-19 01:31 <Misterblue> I can't log into OpenSim, are there problems over there?
2014-08-19 01:32 <nebadon> yea the grid is offline at the moment problems with the asset server
2014-08-19 01:32 <nebadon> kind of out of my hands at the moment waiting on word back from Hiro and the data center
2014-08-19 01:32 <Misterblue> ok... I'll try to be patient :)
2014-08-19 01:32 <nebadon> it might be a couple days, but to be honest I don't have any real ETA
2014-08-19 01:33 <nebadon> I unfortunately do not have much time to deal with these problems
2014-08-19 01:33 <nebadon> paying work has me completely overwhelmed as it is
2014-08-19 01:33 <nebadon> not to mention OSCC
2014-08-19 01:34 <nebadon> might be good for now to do testing on a local simulator
2014-08-19 01:34 <nebadon> hopefully by tomorrow i will know a little better what is goin on
2014-08-19 02:03 <Plugh> nebadon: I like how the login webpage reports 17 people in a grid that is offline. :)
2014-08-19 02:17 <Dev_Random> any tentative plans for moving tomorrow's dev meeting?
2014-08-19 02:19 <zadark> Bigin the load test early?
2014-08-19 02:27 <nebadon> ya I guess if the grid isnt back by then, it likely will not be, we can just have the meeting in the OSCC grid
2014-08-19 02:27 <Plugh> I wouldn't know how to get to the load test location with osgrid down.
2014-08-19 02:27 <nebadon> hmm ya some people may not be able to make it
2014-08-19 02:27 <nebadon> no other grids that have HG abilty you have an account on?
2014-08-19 02:28 <Plugh> I tend to stay away from HG enabled grids but I think there is one I'm in that is HG enabled but they have it locked down so people can't take content outside the grid.
2014-08-19 02:28 <BlueWall> standalones are pretty easy to spin up
2014-08-19 02:28 <nebadon> ok well if you cant find anything give me a shout before the meeting
2014-08-19 02:29 <nebadon> and we can get you a local account
2014-08-19 02:29 <nebadon> or ya setup a standalone
2014-08-19 02:29 <Plugh> I have a local standalone but not one that is HG enabled.
2014-08-19 02:30 <Plugh> ok. Got the link? I'll hop over to that grid now and see if I can TP to the load test area.
2014-08-19 02:33 <nebadon> http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 Keynote 1
2014-08-19 02:37 <zadark> Maybe something on the dev mailing list to the effect, should wright plaza not be available, meet at OSCC,  at least Justincc will know?
2014-08-19 02:38 <nebadon> ya Justin knows
2014-08-19 03:12 <Plugh> ty, nebadon. I'll give that a try and see if I can get there from the one grid I'm in that I think is HG enabled.
2014-08-19 03:16 <Plugh> Not sure how to use that link info.
2014-08-19 03:19 <nebadon> put that into map search Plugh
2014-08-19 03:20 <Plugh> This grid seems to require logging in to a different login URI (different port) to be able to HG.
2014-08-19 03:23 <Plugh> Can't find the region
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2014-08-19 16:28 <Plugh> hm... why do I have a table hg_traveling_data in my standalone set up of OS? I've never set it up for HG use.
2014-08-19 16:31 <nebadon> i dont think it matters it will always create all the tables
2014-08-19 16:31 <AliciaRaven> hi nebadon, is osgrid still down?
2014-08-19 16:31 <nebadon> yes
2014-08-19 16:31 <AliciaRaven> whats wrong?
2014-08-19 16:32 <nebadon> something with Raid I am not sure exactly what is going on right now its out of my hands at the moment
2014-08-19 16:32 <AliciaRaven> k
2014-08-19 16:33 <AliciaRaven> having problems myself but i cant understand it, not making sense lol
2014-08-19 16:33 <AliciaRaven> one user connects, and the whole grid grinds to a crawl for everyone
2014-08-19 16:34 <AliciaRaven> gotta be some thing to do with their account or connection
2014-08-19 16:38 <AliciaRaven> one user having connection issues shouldnt affect other people tho
2014-08-19 16:38 <Plugh> nebadon: ok. So it won't create the table only for HG enabled grids. It is just part of the general migration stuff during startup.
2014-08-19 16:55 <Plugh> The terrain table has a Revision field. Is that used so the terrain for a region can be returned to an earlier version if the terrain is not baked.
2014-08-19 16:55 <Plugh> ?
2014-08-19 17:17 <AliciaRaven> hi justincc, u got any ideas why every one in a region would suddenly lag when a specific user connects?
2014-08-19 17:18 <justincc> on what version of opensim?
2014-08-19 17:18 <AliciaRaven> every thing is fine till that user connects then it all lags out
2014-08-19 17:18 <AliciaRaven> few weeks ago it was updated
2014-08-19 17:18 <justincc> so only that particular user?
2014-08-19 17:18 <AliciaRaven> before the latest changes u made to udp so its not that
2014-08-19 17:18 <AliciaRaven> yes
2014-08-19 17:19 <AliciaRaven> if they had a bad connection it shouldnt affect others tho should it?
2014-08-19 17:19 <justincc> do they have a lot and/or complex attachments?
2014-08-19 17:19 <justincc> yes, a bad connection shouldn't have knock on effects
2014-08-19 17:19 <AliciaRaven> no, they might have had an attachment with a bad script
2014-08-19 17:19 <justincc> wouldn't expect that to be the cause.  Curious.   Do you know what viewer they use?
2014-08-19 17:20 <AliciaRaven> they tried firestorm and also singularity, both with same results, i restarted the server and still happened
2014-08-19 17:20 <AliciaRaven> also happened on regions that were on different servers
2014-08-19 17:20 <AliciaRaven> doesnt seem to make sense to me lol
2014-08-19 17:20 <justincc> Have they tried logging in with an alt?
2014-08-19 17:21 <AliciaRaven> yes, i think they said that they had the same problem with the alt
2014-08-19 17:21 <justincc> that would be very odd then, as a fresh alt should be no different from any other connection
2014-08-19 17:21 <nebadon> justincc anymore patches today?
2014-08-19 17:21 <AliciaRaven> on one server they were a cloud, but they loaded on the other server
2014-08-19 17:21 <nebadon> I actually just got done updating the grid
2014-08-19 17:22 <justincc> nebadon: yeah, hoping to get this done very shortly, a couple of tools I really want to get in if possible
2014-08-19 17:22 <justincc> AliciaRaven: apologies, could we chat a bit later?  I need to try and squeeze in some diag tools before the next load test if I can
2014-08-19 17:22 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-19 17:22 <nebadon> we are going to have to have the meeting at OSCC today
2014-08-19 17:22 <nebadon> i suggest Staff Zone 1
2014-08-19 17:22 <AliciaRaven> sure np, thanks for input, good to know its not just me confused by it lol
2014-08-19 17:22 <nebadon> i am going to set the landing zone to the stadium seating area
2014-08-19 17:22 <justincc> so what's happening with osgrid?  I see i can actually get into wright plaza - albeit with a slightly odd hair problems
2014-08-19 17:23 <nebadon> shouldnt be able to get in
2014-08-19 17:23 <nebadon> how long ago did you log in?
2014-08-19 17:23 <justincc> ok, that was actually yesterday, haven't tried recently
2014-08-19 17:23 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-19 17:23 <nebadon> ya it wont be available today
2014-08-19 17:23 <nebadon> however
2014-08-19 17:23 <nebadon> oh nevermind
2014-08-19 17:23 <nebadon> for some reason CPU was very high at Staff Zone 1
2014-08-19 17:23 <nebadon> 150%
2014-08-19 17:24 <nebadon> but it finally went down
2014-08-19 17:24 <nebadon> i guess it was physics
2014-08-19 17:24 <nebadon> it stayed high even after scripts were done loading
2014-08-19 17:24 <nebadon> looks fine now though
2014-08-19 17:25 <nebadon> ok well please get patches in very soon
2014-08-19 17:25 <nebadon> like next 10-15 minutes
2014-08-19 17:25 <justincc> k
2014-08-19 17:29 <nebadon> ok well anyone who is interested todays meeting will be on the OSCC grid
2014-08-19 17:29 <nebadon> address > http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 Staff Zone 1
2014-08-19 17:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #3775 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-19 17:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3775: SUCCESS in 8 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3775/
2014-08-19 17:43 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add "debug lludp drop out <add|remove> <packet-name>" console command for debug/test purposes.
2014-08-19 17:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #3776 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-19 17:44 <justincc> nebadon: alright, that's it.  
2014-08-19 17:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3776: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3776/
2014-08-19 17:48 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Extend drop command to "debug lludp drop <in|out>..." to allow drop of inbound packets.
2014-08-19 17:49 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-19 17:49 <nebadon> both Robust and Sims?
2014-08-19 17:49 <justincc> nebadon: when you update, do you have to update all of oscc or can different places run different opensim instances or branches?
2014-08-19 17:49 <justincc> nebadon: only sim required
2014-08-19 17:49 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-19 17:49 <nebadon> umm yea anyones i don't restart continue to run previous version
2014-08-19 17:49 <nebadon> even if they crash
2014-08-19 17:49 <nebadon> only when i break the runloop does it update
2014-08-19 17:50 <justincc> nebadon: right, but there's currently no way for different sims to run different versions after breaking the runloop?
2014-08-19 17:50 <justincc> I don't need this right now - was just interested to know for the future
2014-08-19 17:50 <nebadon> corret
2014-08-19 17:50 <justincc> ok, thanks
2014-08-19 17:51 <nebadon> not without editing the launch script
2014-08-19 17:51 <nebadon> if you edit launch script and point it to actual folder and not symlink
2014-08-19 17:51 <justincc> ok, so sounds like it could potentially be donw without too much trouble, though somewhat mroe complexity and admin work
2014-08-19 17:52 <nebadon> ya feel free to make some new scripts if it makes things easier
2014-08-19 17:52 <justincc> ok, if I go down that path I'll let you kwow beforehand, of course
2014-08-19 17:52 <nebadon> i sure don't mind, just if at all possible id like to keep the screen format the same
2014-08-19 17:52 <justincc> yeah
2014-08-19 17:53 <justincc> you know my screen using restat package puts all stuff o nits own screen instnace, though that was partly because it was a lot easier
2014-08-19 17:53 <justincc> I'm not even sure atm if one could script screen to automatically put things on the same instance, I expect it probably is possible
2014-08-19 17:53 <justincc> restat = opensimulator mgmt
2014-08-19 17:53 <nebadon> you can but its very wonky feeling
2014-08-19 17:54 <nebadon> it doenst work the same as it does now
2014-08-19 17:54 <nebadon> when you auto launch it into screen
2014-08-19 17:54 <nebadon> when the program breaks
2014-08-19 17:54 <nebadon> the screen tab stops
2014-08-19 17:54 <nebadon> and asks for input
2014-08-19 17:55 <nebadon> like y to keep running or no
2014-08-19 17:55 <nebadon> and if you hit no the tab disappears
2014-08-19 17:55 <nebadon> its a bit odd
2014-08-19 17:55 <nebadon> ok keynotes are updated and restarted
2014-08-19 17:55 <nebadon> and robust is 2 revisions back
2014-08-19 17:55 <nebadon> and staff zone 1 is 2 revisions back as well
2014-08-19 17:56 <nebadon> people have already started logging in for meeting
2014-08-19 17:56 <justincc> I must admit, I was using my osgrid av for all hg stuff.  It just so happens I can create a local ac on conf...
2014-08-19 17:56 <justincc> thanks nebadon
2014-08-19 17:57 <nebadon> no problem
2014-08-19 17:57 <nebadon> no doubt the meeting will not have the attendance we normally get this week
2014-08-19 18:01 <AllenKerensky> hold it in IRC
2014-08-19 18:01 <nebadon> bunch of people are already showing up
2014-08-19 18:02 <AllenKerensky> next year could set up an OSgrid IRC server and use IRCbridgemodule to have chat and IRC merged
2014-08-19 18:05 <Plugh> Someone else just asked me about how to get to the meeting. They aren't able to do an HG TP.
2014-08-19 18:05 <Plugh> I'm not sure I can either.
2014-08-19 18:12 <justincc> were you at last year's conf?
2014-08-19 18:19 <Dev_Random> Plugh:  re your question about Terrain revisions... The code looks like reversion was the original intent of the "revision" field, but it's now used for "storage format version number"
2014-08-19 18:19 <Plugh> justincc: Me? No, I wasn't.
2014-08-19 18:20 <Plugh> Dev_Random: Ok, ty. That makes me think you can't revert terrain changes in OS.
2014-08-19 20:57 <AliciaRaven> mm large number of resent packets to the client thats causing the problem
2014-08-19 21:13 <osmantis> Bug #7308:04 Network Lag caused by specific users connection 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7308 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-08-19 21:20 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-19 23:30 <osmantis> Bug #7308:04 Network Lag caused by specific users connection 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7308 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-19 23:37 <osmantis> Bug #7308:04 Network Lag caused by specific users connection 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7308 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-19 23:59 <osmantis> Bug #7308:04 Network Lag caused by specific users connection 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7308 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-20 01:23 <lkalif> nebadon: any word on osgrid, are things progressing towards eome sort of resolution?
2014-08-20 02:12 <lkalif> Misterblue: I don't know if you have seen this: "Survey: Better vehicles, search most wanted in OpenSim" http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2014/08/survey-better-vehicles-search-most-wanted-in-opensim/
2014-08-20 02:36 <Misterblue> yes... I saw that... one of the things that started my viewer thinking
2014-08-20 02:37 <Misterblue> the survey says people want OS to just be better as it is
2014-08-20 02:41 <lkalif> I guess the biggest difference when moving form SL to somethgin running OpenSim is physics. It's very jarring. Survery results don't surprise me
2014-08-20 02:45 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION wants to be able to build reusable components from prims.  stick some prims together and lock them, then stick components together to build a project.  when a project is unlinked, the components remain intact.

2014-08-20 02:46 <Dev_Random> way beyond my C# abilities though.....
2014-08-20 02:57 <lkalif> idea of hiearchical linking gets brought up on regular basis
2014-08-20 03:03 <Dev_Random> no doubt.
2014-08-20 03:05 <Dev_Random> Lots of folks enjoy building things.. but it's a PITA to have it all unlink
2014-08-20 03:31 <Misterblue> every time I turn around, I find another HTML5 game framework.... the web is hip deep in the things
2014-08-20 03:38 <AliciaRaven> Misterblue, any chance the new bulletsim branch could fix the issues with script collision detection?
2014-08-20 03:39 <Misterblue> sadly, no
2014-08-20 03:39 <Misterblue> are you talking about the one where collisions seem to stop after a while?
2014-08-20 03:39 <Misterblue> or the one where collisions don't happen for a while after a prim is rezzed?
2014-08-20 03:40 <AliciaRaven> second one
2014-08-20 03:40 <AliciaRaven> on my grid we have wands that rez a spell, its a small ball with particle effect, it bounces of or passes through targets with out detecting a collison
2014-08-20 03:42 <Misterblue> and that is longer than a few seconds?
2014-08-20 03:42 <Misterblue> I believe it is like two seconds to compile and initialize a script on a newly rezzed prim
2014-08-20 03:42 <AliciaRaven> it helps if the target is round as a ball hitting a ball means there is no deflection so it usualy stops on hitting and eventualy the script picks up the collision
2014-08-20 03:44 <AliciaRaven> i dont think its the script thats holding things up, i added messages to it at one point and it shouts out when its rezzed but still misses the collision
2014-08-20 03:45 <AliciaRaven> i could show u in world some time if it would help
2014-08-20 03:46 <Misterblue> I've created droppers that rez balls that report their collisions as they pass through some volume detect blocks
2014-08-20 03:46 <Misterblue> I've dropped nearly a million balls and didn't loose any collision
2014-08-20 03:46 <Misterblue> so that test didn't find it
2014-08-20 03:47 <Misterblue> you're thinking it might be a mesh-to-mesh collision that's failing?
2014-08-20 03:47 <AliciaRaven> is volume detect different from just having a collision start event?
2014-08-20 03:47 <Misterblue> you said that if both the collider and collidee are balls it works better?
2014-08-20 03:49 <AliciaRaven> yes, just because a ball hitting a ball means that the point of collison is head on, it is less likely to bounce off
2014-08-20 03:51 <Misterblue> cubes and spheres are special cases inside Bullet -- it doesn't have to compute closeness of vertices since it can just do the math to find if something is colliding with part of it
2014-08-20 03:51 <AliciaRaven> it cant be waiting for the script because a script in the target that shouts dosnt trigger either and thats not a new rez
2014-08-20 03:51 <Misterblue> could you test the new BulletSim and see if it does change the problem?
2014-08-20 03:52 <Misterblue> The new Bullet has a new compound-to-compound collision algorithm that might make an difference
2014-08-20 03:52 <AliciaRaven> ok will give that ago, i have a mantis open already so ill add the results to that
2014-08-20 03:52 <AliciaRaven> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7218
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2014-08-20 04:52 <AliciaRaven> Misterblue, seems to be alot better on my test grid, still bounces off when it hits at a shallow angle
2014-08-20 04:56 <Misterblue> that's interesting news, Alicia... means the problem is really Bullet's mesh/collision stuff
2014-08-20 04:56 <Misterblue> it 'alot better' up to 'usable'? Or still not usable?
2014-08-20 04:57 <AliciaRaven> will need to do more testing to say
2014-08-20 04:58 <AliciaRaven> detects the ball on ball every time sofar, and when the target is a box it detects it alot more oftern
2014-08-20 04:58 <Misterblue> ok...
2014-08-20 04:58 <AliciaRaven> its only when the ball hits the box at a shallow angle that it bounces off, before it would bounce alot more oftern
2014-08-20 04:58 <zadark> Misterblue, does branch bullet-2.82 include updated lib for linux 32 bit?
2014-08-20 04:59 <Misterblue> yes
2014-08-20 04:59 <zadark> k
2014-08-20 05:00 <Misterblue> built on Ubuntu.... hoping that I don't have library problems with the other distributions
2014-08-20 05:00 <Misterblue> 
ACTION crosses fingers

2014-08-20 05:00 <AliciaRaven> im testing on windows but my grid is linux, if it works this well on linux then id say its usuable now
2014-08-20 05:00 <zadark> Just running up under Fedora
2014-08-20 05:01 <zadark> or on Fedora
2014-08-20 05:06 <zadark> Running on Fedora 32 bit, dangling chains seem to be doing their thing
2014-08-20 05:17 <zadark> Presume that bullet-2.82 branch includes the updated library only and no chnages to the c# part?
2014-08-20 07:21 <osmantis> Bug #7181:04 BulletSPlugin : The requested operation caused a stack overflow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7181 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-20 09:18 <AliciaRaven> new version of firestorm out, but still no fix for var regions on the map :(
2014-08-20 15:51 <smxy_> nebadon: Is osgrid down or has something changed about its configuration? My teleport gates, when they check to see if your grid is up, asre getting this: [GATEKEEPER SERVICE CONNECTOR]: Exception The remote server returned an error: (502) Bad Gateway.
2014-08-20 15:51 <smxy_> are*
2014-08-20 15:55 <danbanner> smxy_ login services are turned off
2014-08-20 15:57 <smxy_> for how long?
2014-08-20 15:59 <danbanner> there was a hardware failure of the raid array 
2014-08-20 15:59 <danbanner> might be a while
2014-08-20 16:02 <Misterblue> ick... I hate raid arrays... they promise lots of things but when they fail, your data is just all messed up
2014-08-20 16:12 <smxy_> Ouch. good luck with that.
2014-08-20 17:06 <lkalif> it's taking days....
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2014-08-21 13:21 <Misterblue> the OpenSim virtual worlds are having a bad day: both the OSGrid grid and the opensimulator.org web site are down
2014-08-21 13:27 <BlueWall> I was digging into the website issue earlier, but can't go further until I can get my password reset :S
2014-08-21 13:37 <Misterblue> at least the git repository is still working
2014-08-21 13:37 <BlueWall> yes, the server is not busy at all
2014-08-21 15:35 <lkalif> So I just got unity 5 closed beta
2014-08-21 15:35 <lkalif> with webgl cross compiler
2014-08-21 15:36 <lkalif> need to try to make something :P
2014-08-21 16:37 <AllenKerensky> opensim viewer lkalif? something like what PixieViewer looked to be?
2014-08-21 16:41 <lkalif> web apps cannot connect to opensim directly
2014-08-21 16:41 <lkalif> unfortunatelly
2014-08-21 17:04 <Plugh> Aleric: ping
2014-08-21 17:05 <Aleric> Plugh: pong
2014-08-21 17:05 <Aleric> 51 seconds
2014-08-21 17:05 <Plugh> Hey, Aleric. I've been working on getting the lsl2cs stuff compiled and saw you commited an update to a file that justin had recently removed.
2014-08-21 17:06 <Plugh> I've been trying to build the compiler tools to run the regression tests. Are you doing some work on the lsl2cs system?
2014-08-21 17:06 <Aleric> which file (name) was removed?
2014-08-21 17:07 <Plugh> CSCodeGenerator.cs along with CSReservedWords.cs and LSL2CSCodeTransformer.cs
2014-08-21 17:07 <Plugh> Three revisions back from when you made your commit.
2014-08-21 17:08 <Plugh> Are you able to run the tests using runtests.sh?
2014-08-21 17:09 <Aleric> I never changed CSCodeGenerator.cs
2014-08-21 17:10 <Plugh> Aleric Inglewood <Aleric.Inglewood@gmail.com> -> Always use GenerateLine for newlines
2014-08-21 17:10 <Plugh> That isn't you?
2014-08-21 17:10 <Plugh> That change was made to opensim-libs
2014-08-21 17:10 <Aleric> Oh!
2014-08-21 17:10 <Aleric> I was looking in opensim
2014-08-21 17:11 <Plugh> sorry, I should have made that clear at the start.
2014-08-21 17:11 <Aleric> I believe justin said that that part of the code was never used.
2014-08-21 17:11 <Aleric> which is why he deleted it I guess.
2014-08-21 17:12 <Plugh> justin removed three files which prevent building the lsl2cs programs. I've locally recovered the files so I can run the tests and check for the parsing errors which have recently been reported against LSL scripts in OpenSim.
2014-08-21 17:12 <Plugh> Your recent commit re-instated one of the files Justin removed.
2014-08-21 17:13 <Aleric> That would the fault of whoever merged my commit.
2014-08-21 17:13 <Plugh> Since you commited that file after it had been removed I was wondering what work you were doing with lsl2cs and if you had some information or changes I may need.
2014-08-21 17:13 <Plugh> ok.
2014-08-21 17:14 <Aleric> I changed the file before it was removed, obviously. I only sent in a patch - if someone readded that file then they did a bad merge.
2014-08-21 17:15 <Aleric> The change that I made in that file was a logic error that I saw when just looking over the source code - I never compiled it or tested it.
2014-08-21 17:15 <Aleric> Later Justin told me that that code wasn't used and he fixed it elsewhere.
2014-08-21 17:16 <Plugh> ok. I have to talk with justin about the removal and the lsl2cs stuff. I think it is the basis of what is used in OpenSim but the files in OS are not complete. OS doesn't have the original source BNF based files used to generate two of the .cs files used in the script engine.
2014-08-21 17:17 <Plugh> Modifying generated code is not a good way of doing things.
2014-08-21 17:17 <Aleric> I'm not sure what you want to know from me though.
2014-08-21 17:18 <Aleric> You want to understand why I made the change? Or you think I understand something else about this code that you need know?
2014-08-21 17:20 <Plugh> no, its ok. Turns out that was a local commit only that got in to my tree. Since it was "recent" I thought you had been doing something with the lsl2cs stuff and I wanted to exchange thoughts.
2014-08-21 17:21 <Aleric> I have only looked into line number translation between lsl and cs.
2014-08-21 17:21 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-08-21 17:21 <Aleric> Fixed that, rather :p
2014-08-21 17:21 <Plugh> yup.
2014-08-21 17:21 <Plugh> I'd like to fix some of the parsing related issues.
2014-08-21 17:22 <Plugh> The syntax error generated from vector math in an expression is a strange one.
2014-08-21 17:22 <Aleric> My change in opensim-libs was exclusively a side-tracked observation that GenerateJumpLabel violated the "rule" that you are only allowed to generate a newline for the output by calling one of the GenerateLine* functions.
2014-08-21 17:23 <Plugh> ok.
2014-08-21 17:23 <Aleric> That would cause it report the wrong line number after generating a jump label.
2014-08-21 17:23 <Aleric> to* report
2014-08-21 17:24 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-08-21 23:29 <DameanP> Hello All ... One of my members is experiencing an issue.  Beginning approximately one week ago, all of the landmarks to his region are showing an auction id ..  the parcel texture is not showing and when you click 'show on map' it takes you to never never land.  I've checked his region DB and the search DB tables and everything looks correct.  Would anyone have an idea what might be causing this?  it crops up once every coupl
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2014-08-22 14:07 <osmantis> Bug #7304:04 llTargetOmega not implemented for Physical object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7304 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-22 18:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #3777 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-22 18:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3777: SUCCESS in 8 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3777/
2014-08-22 18:58 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Removing locking on requests in MySQLAssetData.
2014-08-22 18:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #3778 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-22 19:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3778: SUCCESS in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3778/
2014-08-22 19:02 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Remove lock in MySQLFramework.  This is not necessary as the connection is not shared.
2014-08-22 19:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #3779 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-22 19:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3779: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3779/
2014-08-22 19:31 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Remove some use of database connection locking from MySQLSimulationData - this has not been necessary for some time as database connections are not shared.
2014-08-22 19:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #3780 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-08-22 19:35 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Remove query locking in MySQLUserProfileData.  This is not necessary as the connection is not shared.
2014-08-22 19:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #3781 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #3779 8 min 24 sec ago)
2014-08-22 19:39 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2014-08-22 19:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3781: FIXED in 3 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3781/
2014-08-22 19:39 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Remove database connection locking in MySQLXAssetData.  This is unnecessary as connections aren't shared and transactions are already in place where necessary.
2014-08-22 19:48 <Plugh> justincc: ping
2014-08-22 19:48 <justincc> hi Plugh
2014-08-22 19:48 <Plugh> Hey, justin. If you have a moment I have some questions/issues regarding the LSL parsing/copmiling and opensim-libs
2014-08-22 19:49 <justincc> sure, I'm doing something else simultaneously but can multiplex a bit
2014-08-22 19:55 <Plugh> justincc: I've got other projects and things to work on but I started to look at using the opensim-libs to check the LSL parsing. I want to see if I can find/fix a couple of the parsing issues recently mantised but I discovered you removed three files from opensim-libs so I had to recover those files from the removal patch in order to rebuild the lsl2cs files.
2014-08-22 19:56 <justincc> if you're talking about CSCodeGenerator et al, they are not necessary to build anything and were already out of sync with the same files in opensim-git
2014-08-22 19:57 <Plugh> I would have back ported changes from opensim if there were changes that should be in opensim-libs.
2014-08-22 19:58 <Plugh> The default build process of lsl2cs has references to the removed files.
2014-08-22 19:59 <Plugh> AFACT, the files are needed to build output.exe which would be used to compile LSL code so I could test check what it generates and look for the issues and fix the BNF used by the parsers.
2014-08-22 20:00 <justincc> lsl2cs is/was the same as OpenSim.Toiols.lslc.exe in the main OpenSim
2014-08-22 20:00 <justincc> so what I really need to do is remove all traces of output.exe to avoid this confusion
2014-08-22 20:00 <justincc> which I missed back then
2014-08-22 20:00 <Plugh> The files generated by lsl2cs are in the OS source tree but I don't see how the files can be regenerated using only what is in the OS source tree.
2014-08-22 20:01 <Plugh> The OS source tree logs report changes to things like lsl.parser.cs instead of to the BNF in lsl.parser which would be used to create lsl.parser.cs
2014-08-22 20:02 <justincc> yes, you could lsl.aprse.cs in openism-libs then copy it to opensim git
2014-08-22 20:02 <Plugh> The .cs file should not be modified. The lsl.parser file should be modified and the .cs be regenerated.
2014-08-22 20:02 <justincc> the main target used those as subtargets but there's no reason they can't be executed directly
2014-08-22 20:02 <dahlia> dunno if this is usable or not but came across it and thought it looked like it might be helpful for people running sims behind a nat firewall http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/807861/Open-NAT-A-NAT-Traversal-library-for-NET-and-Mono
2014-08-22 20:02 <justincc> there is no point continually regenerating lsl cs files in the main tree whne they change extremely rarely.  It isn't something you can do in xbuild afaik, for instance
2014-08-22 20:03 <Plugh> They change rarely but a rule should be in place that only regenerates the .cs if the source (non .cs) file changes.
2014-08-22 20:03 <justincc> that rule would need a whole nother build systems
2014-08-22 20:03 <Plugh> ok.
2014-08-22 20:03 <justincc> system
2014-08-22 20:04 <justincc> as you know, Makefile is not used in the opensim build
2014-08-22 20:04 <Plugh> Probably not a big deal in overall compile time considering the number of files that are compiled in the system.
2014-08-22 20:04 <justincc> such a thing would also need the bug fixed which requires manually patching atm
2014-08-22 20:04 <Plugh> The alternative is make sure the files can be regenerated from within the OS source tree and they can be manually rebuilt if/when needed.
2014-08-22 20:05 <justincc> if you want to advocate fo rmoving all dependency builds from opensim-libs into git then do so, but I don't think it's worth the effort
2014-08-22 20:05 <justincc> or the extra confusion
2014-08-22 20:07 <Plugh> You haven't had time to document the LSL system and how the parsing and compilation process all works so I'm trying to get a feel for it on my own and thought I could use lsl2cs to test changes. If the main stuff needed is all in the OS source tree to rebuild the LSL to CS stuff I haven't figured out exactly how that works and what I may need to use to test changes to the parsing/compilation.
2014-08-22 20:08 <justincc> to test a change, generate the files in lsl2cs.  Copy those to opensim then execute the build.  Then if you want to run 'lsl2cs' use OpenSim.Tools.lslc.exe which is the same as output.exe was (but without the file desync)
2014-08-22 20:08 <Plugh> OS has some LSL related regression tests but I havent check if it has all the 42 tests in the opensim-libs tree.
2014-08-22 20:08 <justincc> all the tests there were too fragile
2014-08-22 20:10 <Plugh> OpenSim.Tools.lslc.exe is meant to be the same as output.exe from lsl2cs? Is all the stuff in the OS source tree to rebuild that exe from source?
2014-08-22 20:10 <justincc> no, as I said, the parser and lexer files are first build in opensim-libs
2014-08-22 20:21 <justincc> alright, I am going to eat.  Back in a bit
2014-08-22 22:24 <Plugh> justin, one problem I'm having with opensim-libs is it isn't generating lsl.parser.cs
2014-08-22 22:24 <Plugh> I get mono pg.exe -C lsl.parser
2014-08-22 22:24 <Plugh> Line 22, char 0: Bad class definition for LSLProgramRoot
2014-08-22 22:24 <Plugh> Followed by an exception and backtrace.
2014-08-22 22:25 <justincc> works fine for me.  Have you changed lsl.parser?
2014-08-22 22:26 <Plugh> No.
2014-08-22 22:26 <Plugh> what mono version are you using?
2014-08-22 22:27 <justincc> 3.2.8
2014-08-22 22:27 <Plugh> ok, same one I'm using.
2014-08-22 22:27 <justincc> well, LSLPrograMRoot is the first symbol in the parser text file
2014-08-22 22:28 <Plugh> yup. Line 22 is the blank line just after the } of that first symbol.
2014-08-22 22:31 <Plugh> There is no useful debug info in the exception backtrace.
2014-08-22 22:31 <Plugh> No file names or line numbers.
2014-08-22 22:32 <justincc> er, it's already given you the problem
2014-08-22 22:33 <Plugh> Yes, but it doesn't give me any idea what I have to do to fix the problem.
2014-08-22 22:33 <justincc> er, stop it being a bad class definition
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2014-08-22 22:33 <justincc> to my mind, you must have changed that file in some way
2014-08-22 22:33 <Plugh> oops. closed wrong window
2014-08-22 22:35 <Plugh> git status tells me I have a modified Makefile (to let me build output.exe), and I have newer versions of parser.cs and pg.cs in Tools/ which come from the latest CSTools package. That's it.
2014-08-22 22:36 <justincc> pastebin your lsl.parser
2014-08-22 22:36 <justincc> hang on pg.cs?
2014-08-22 22:36 <justincc> so you have recompiled pg.exe, that would pretty obviously be the problem point if nothing else has changed
2014-08-22 22:37 <Plugh> yes. I just tried compiling with the original Tools and I got same error.
2014-08-22 22:38 <Plugh> yup. make clean, fetched original Tools/, re-ran make, same error.
2014-08-22 22:39 <Plugh> If I could get a detailed backtrace I could dig in to why it is complaining.
2014-08-22 22:39 <Plugh> bbl. Dinner is ready.
2014-08-22 22:39 <justincc> I told you, it has told you
2014-08-22 22:39 <justincc> there's nothing more it can say
2014-08-22 22:49 <osmantis> Bug #7296:04 Add ability to restrict destination of email sent via llEmail to avatars email address 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7296 ): has been CLOSED
2014-08-22 23:08 <Plugh> justincc: So how do I fix the problem?
2014-08-22 23:08 <justincc> pastebin your lsl.parser.
2014-08-22 23:08 <Plugh> Its exactly the same as the one in opensim-libs unless it is also partly generated.
2014-08-22 23:09 <Plugh> http://pastebin.com/eqsrR1Qk
2014-08-22 23:12 <justincc> so one difference betwen the files is that mine has unix line endings and yours has dos line endings
2014-08-22 23:12 <justincc> if pg.cs is written very poorly perhaps that's enough to upset it
2014-08-22 23:12 <Plugh> ok, easily fixed.
2014-08-22 23:13 <Plugh> Nope. Same error.
2014-08-22 23:14 <Plugh> Interesting observation. That file should be marked as a text file in git so it automatically uses the proper local line endings.
2014-08-22 23:15 <justincc> so I can use the file you uploaded locally just fine
2014-08-22 23:15 <justincc> are you on windows?
2014-08-22 23:15 <Plugh> Bite your toungue.  ;)
2014-08-22 23:15 <justincc> lol
2014-08-22 23:15 <justincc> so why wa syour file in dos format?
2014-08-22 23:15 <Plugh> No, I'm on Linux Mint 17. 
2014-08-22 23:16 <Plugh> That's the way it came to me.
2014-08-22 23:16 <justincc> you cloned this repo directly from opensim-libs on opensimulator.org?
2014-08-22 23:17 <Plugh> url = ssh://opensimulator.org/var/git/opensim-libs
2014-08-22 23:17 <Plugh> That is from .git/config
2014-08-22 23:18 <Plugh> odd. I just forced a checkout of lsl.parser and it came to me this time with the proper line endings.
2014-08-22 23:19 <Plugh> git also tells me I am on master
2014-08-22 23:19 <justincc> well, I don't know how to help you./  There's obviously a differene somewhere here, and if it's not in lsl.parser it must be your build of pg.exe
2014-08-22 23:19 <justincc> the only alternative is to start probing and ripping apart the parser source code itself
2014-08-22 23:21 <Plugh> which is why I thought that the backtrace details would help me find where it throws the error and that could help me determine what it was expecting then I could work out why it is expecting whatever it is looking for before it throws the exception.
2014-08-22 23:21 <justincc> lol, I looked there and it ain't gonna help you
2014-08-22 23:21 <Plugh> I'll run it under mono develop and see if that helps.
2014-08-22 23:22 <Plugh> If I can't get this working I won't be able to do anything about fixing some of the outstanding LSL parsing related errors.
2014-08-22 23:26 <Plugh> bbl. I'm going out for a while.
2014-08-23 00:43 <osmantis> Bug #7178:04 Adding a client authentication 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7178 ): has been ASSIGNED.
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2014-08-23 11:44 <osmantis> Bug #7309:04 STATUS_BLOCK_GRAB_OBJECT not implemented? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7309 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-08-23 13:41 <osmantis> Bug #7309:04 STATUS_BLOCK_GRAB_OBJECT not implemented? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7309 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-23 13:46 <osmantis> Bug #7309:04 STATUS_BLOCK_GRAB_OBJECT not implemented? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7309 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-08-24 05:46 <zadark> Quiet on here. http://www.nvidia.com/object/visual-computing-appliance.html
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2014-08-25 07:58 <dahlia> BlueWall: ping
2014-08-25 09:42 <BlueWall> pong dahlia
2014-08-25 10:06 <dahlia> BlueWall: never mind. I thought there was an error in a commit you made to Robust.HG.ini.example but I was mistaken
2014-08-25 10:07 <BlueWall> ok
2014-08-25 21:42 <nebadon> lkalif ping
2014-08-25 21:42 <nebadon> didnt you find a good iptable rule for loopback with opensimulator that solved some of the HG issues?
2014-08-25 21:43 <nebadon> cant recall if you posted that into the wiki or somewhere? if not could you perhaps share it again?
2014-08-25 21:43 <lkalif> don't know about hypergrid
2014-08-25 21:43 <nebadon> well still be good to see what you have
2014-08-25 21:43 <lkalif> hmm, my regions were on osgrid, would be difficult to test
2014-08-25 21:44 <nebadon> oh well its for dahlia really, if you paste it dahlia can test it im sure
2014-08-25 21:44 <lkalif> I'm looking into my iptables
2014-08-25 21:44 <nebadon> thanks
2014-08-25 21:45 <lkalif> ok so my network is 10.0.0.0/24
2014-08-25 21:45 <lkalif> router is 10.0.0.1
2014-08-25 21:45 <lkalif> my windows machine where opensim is running is 10.0.0.51
2014-08-25 21:46 <lkalif> so my two iptables rules are:
2014-08-25 21:46 <lkalif> -A PREROUTING -d 87.72.2.174 -p tcp --dport 17900:17999 -j DNAT --to-destination 10.0.0.51
2014-08-25 21:46 <lkalif> -A PREROUTING -d 87.72.2.174 -p udp --dport 17900:17999 -j DNAT --to-destination 10.0.0.51
2014-08-25 21:46 <lkalif> well 3
2014-08-25 21:46 <lkalif> -A POSTROUTING -d 10.0.0.51 -s 10.0.0.0/24 -j SNAT --to-source 10.0.0.1
2014-08-25 21:46 <nebadon> thanks
2014-08-25 21:46 <nebadon> dahlia ^^
2014-08-25 21:46 <lkalif> the first two are regular opening ports
2014-08-25 21:47 <lkalif> in my case I allow everything on 17900-17999 both udp and tcp to go to opensim server
2014-08-25 21:47 <lkalif> the third one is that makes loopback work
2014-08-25 21:48 <lkalif> you prefix all these with: iptables -tnat
2014-08-25 21:48 <lkalif> if you run them directly on the command line
2014-08-25 21:48 <nebadon> ok thanks i assume dahlia is seeing this here
2014-08-25 21:49 <thoys> especially when u type dahlia probably or @dahlia
2014-08-25 21:49 <dahlia> sry was in another channel
2014-08-25 21:49 <dahlia> lkalif: ty
2014-08-25 21:49 <dahlia> 
ACTION now has to learn iptables....

2014-08-25 21:50 <nebadon> lol
2014-08-25 21:50 <lkalif> nebadon: any news about osgrid?
2014-08-25 21:50 <dahlia> will be a welcome break from struggling with glsl ;)
2014-08-25 21:50 <lkalif> so you're all hangin in the cool kids chan :P
2014-08-25 21:51 <dahlia> osgrid is... hurting
2014-08-25 21:52 <dahlia> so I had the brilliant idea of making a IAssetService module out of monotorrent and letting it p2p share flotsam caches
2014-08-25 21:52 <dahlia> but prolly wont have time to code for a while
2014-08-25 21:52 <dahlia> afk...
2014-08-25 21:53 <nebadon> lkalif no I am waiting to hear as well
2014-08-25 21:54 <lkalif> how much data is on the asset server
2014-08-25 21:54 <nebadon> i don't have an exact number but somwhere between 2 - 2.50tb
2014-08-25 21:55 <lkalif> it's not horrible
2014-08-25 21:55 <lkalif> hetzner has some of those storage servers
2014-08-25 21:55 <nebadon> ya they have some pretty good deals on servers with lots of space
2014-08-25 21:55 <lkalif> http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/sx60
2014-08-25 21:55 <nebadon> comparitively good anyway
2014-08-25 21:55 <lkalif> 69€ for 4x4TB
2014-08-25 21:56 <nebadon> ya software raid is slow though, but its good for archiving
2014-08-25 21:56 <lkalif> it's not slow for raid 1
2014-08-25 21:56 <lkalif> (mirror)
2014-08-25 21:56 <nebadon> ya true
2014-08-25 21:58 <lkalif> and with 4 x 4 you could have two 4 TB raid 1 partitions
2014-08-25 21:58 <lkalif> good thing about raid 1, it's a regular disk
2014-08-25 21:58 <lkalif> something goes wrong, a single disk from raid 1 can be used as regular disk
2014-08-25 21:58 <lkalif> nothing to recover
2014-08-25 21:59 <nebadon> I don't have a lot of personal experience with RAID, why i am not really involved much in the current recovery process
2014-08-25 22:01 <lkalif> I have a lot of experience
2014-08-25 22:01 <lkalif> raid 5 or 6 sound enticing but they are disaster waiting to happen
2014-08-25 22:01 <lkalif> raid 1 is the most wasteful but also the most secure
2014-08-25 22:03 <nebadon> osgrid is RAID10
2014-08-25 22:03 <thoys> hmm, could you put most used assets on a SSD Raid?
2014-08-25 22:04 <nebadon> god no
2014-08-25 22:04 <thoys> lol
2014-08-25 22:04 <nebadon> i wouldnt do that
2014-08-25 22:04 <vegaslon> that would be a disaster waiting to happen
2014-08-25 22:04 <nebadon> we could probably do nginx cache on a SSD
2014-08-25 22:04 <nebadon> but i doubt the perfomance gains would be worth the effort
2014-08-25 22:05 <lkalif> nebadon: so they were not monitoring the array? what happened?
2014-08-25 22:05 <nebadon> from what i know it looks like maybe there was a drive failure, and the controller had trouble rebuilding the array
2014-08-25 22:06 <dahlia> I have a little NAS box with 2 2TB drives in it configured for RAID 1. One disk failed and I popped it out and popped in a new one and restarted it and it self-fixed in about a day. No down time :D
2014-08-25 22:06 <nebadon> and since none of us really have the time or the expertise to handle it remotely a data recovery speciailst at the data center was brought in
2014-08-25 22:06 <lkalif> raid 10 is 100% tollerant of 1 disk failure, and of you're lucky, even 2 disk failure could be survived
2014-08-25 22:07 <lkalif> 10 is 1 + 0, so you have disk striped, and then mirroed, min 4 drives, 50% space reduction
2014-08-25 22:07 <nebadon> and right now its still being evaluated I think
2014-08-25 22:07 <nebadon> i know about as much as you guys right now
2014-08-25 22:07 <nebadon> ive been insanely busy building big city models
2014-08-25 22:07 <dahlia> all this downtime makes me question that datacenter and the money they get per month for that server
2014-08-25 22:08 <lkalif> this hetzner server would do the job I think
2014-08-25 22:08 <lkalif> for 69€ month
2014-08-25 22:09 <dahlia> I wonder if hetzner sells to US customers
2014-08-25 22:09 <lkalif> I'm sure they do
2014-08-25 22:09 <lkalif> nebadon is running them 
2014-08-25 22:09 <vegaslon> are these servers colocated?
2014-08-25 22:10 <dahlia> I remember looking into deals in Europe before and they didnt
2014-08-25 22:10 <thoys>  http://www.hetzner.de/hosting/produkte_rootserver/sx60 ?
2014-08-25 22:10 <nebadon_> anyone can rent a hetzner server
2014-08-25 22:10 <dahlia> ya but nebadon has a counterpart in Sweden
2014-08-25 22:10 <nebadon_> but the servers are only in Germany
2014-08-25 22:10 <nebadon_> all prices are euros
2014-08-25 22:10 <lkalif> dahlia: you pay with your credit card, they don't care for the rest
2014-08-25 22:11 <dahlia> I'd rather pay with paypal if possible
2014-08-25 22:11 <lkalif> hetzner only does visa/mastercard
2014-08-25 22:11 <dahlia> :/
2014-08-25 22:12 <dahlia> well I dont really need a bigger server now 
2014-08-25 22:12 <dahlia> dirt cheap VPS does the job for now
2014-08-25 22:13 <lkalif> kimsufi does those dirt cheap dedicated
2014-08-25 22:13 <lkalif> 15€ for i3 - 3.4ghz, 8 GB ram 1TB disk
2014-08-25 22:13 <dahlia> ya need to check them again. Last I checked they didnt have any of the dirt cheap ones available
2014-08-25 22:13 <lkalif> atom is very slow
2014-08-25 22:14 <dahlia> i3 isnt atom is it?
2014-08-25 22:14 <nebadon_> no its not
2014-08-25 22:14 <nebadon_> its considerably faster
2014-08-25 22:14 <dahlia> I have an atom at home, works great :)
2014-08-25 22:14 <nebadon_> atoms are like miniaturized pentium 4 chips
2014-08-25 22:15 <dahlia> i3 is kinda like core 2 duo?
2014-08-25 22:15 <nebadon_> faster
2014-08-25 22:15 <nebadon_> but much closer to that ya
2014-08-25 22:15 <nebadon_> its more like a dual core i7 with no HT
2014-08-25 22:15 <lkalif> nebadon_: i3 has ht
2014-08-25 22:15 <dahlia> my old laptop is i5 and I seldom saturated it
2014-08-25 22:16 <nebadon_> do they?
2014-08-25 22:16 <nebadon_> i thought most i3 and i5 didnt
2014-08-25 22:16 <lkalif> i3 is 2 core + 2 thread
2014-08-25 22:16 <dahlia> newwer laptop is i7 and rarely satureate it
2014-08-25 22:16 <nebadon_> nice thats good
2014-08-25 22:16 <dahlia> but I murder the GPU lol
2014-08-25 22:16 <lkalif> i5 is 4 core core, no extra threads
2014-08-25 22:16 <nebadon_> ah ok
2014-08-25 22:16 <lkalif> i7 4 + 4
2014-08-25 22:16 <dahlia> my i5 was 2 core 4 ht
2014-08-25 22:16 <nebadon_> i3 is considerably faster than an atom plus its 64 bit
2014-08-25 22:16 <nebadon_> atoms are forever doomed to 32 bit
2014-08-25 22:16 <lkalif> way way way faster
2014-08-25 22:17 <lkalif> like 20 times faster
2014-08-25 22:17 <nebadon_> i dont think ive ever seen a atom motherboard that supports more than 4gb ram
2014-08-25 22:17 <nebadon_> and those are quite rare, most are 2gb max
2014-08-25 22:17 <dahlia> ya but my little atom uses like 15 watts for the entire box and runs and runs and runs and has been running like 11 osgrid regions for ages
2014-08-25 22:17 <nebadon_> oh ya dont get me wrong, atoms are impressive for what they are and the cost is great
2014-08-25 22:18 <dahlia> and usually has load average of 0.2
2014-08-25 22:18 <nebadon_> memory is the big disadvantage to atoms
2014-08-25 22:18 <dahlia> it used to use 25 watts but the disk failed so I replaced it with a ssd
2014-08-25 22:19 <lkalif> dahlia: it's kimsufi's power, so I don't care ;)
2014-08-25 22:20 <dahlia> lol
2014-08-25 22:20 <nebadon_> any luck with iptables?
2014-08-25 22:21 <dahlia> havent tried yet
2014-08-25 22:21 <dahlia> 
ACTION lacks nebadon's ability to focus

2014-08-25 22:21 <nebadon> lol
2014-08-25 22:21 <AliciaRaven> dahlia, i got a good sh script to setup iptables if u want a copy
2014-08-25 22:22 <dahlia> if I break my flow then nothing ever gets done
2014-08-25 22:23 <dahlia> AliciaRaven: woulnt mind taking a peek at it :)
2014-08-25 22:23 <dahlia> well actually I dont think I can use a script
2014-08-25 22:23 <dahlia> because I have to put the commands into a little window on the web ui
2014-08-25 22:24 <dahlia> there may be a shell but Im not sure how to get to it
2014-08-25 22:25 <AliciaRaven> dahlia, just uploading, changed the ip address as its an example
2014-08-25 22:25 <nebadon> probably need to enable ssh to get console
2014-08-25 22:26 <AliciaRaven> dahlia, http://www.spellscape.co.uk/alicia/Firewall_Setup.txt
2014-08-25 22:27 <AliciaRaven> in that example, its allowing mySQL and SSH on different ports, we never use the defaults for security lol
2014-08-25 22:28 <nebadon> i dont see anything on there to handle loopback
2014-08-25 22:29 <dahlia> ya my loopback is kinda funny
2014-08-25 22:29 <dahlia> but ty
2014-08-25 22:29 <AliciaRaven> iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT
2014-08-25 22:29 <nebadon> ya opensimulator is very picky with HG and loopback
2014-08-25 22:29 <AliciaRaven> isnt that loopback?
2014-08-25 22:29 <nebadon> it has to be specifically not told to assume using lan address is ok
2014-08-25 22:30 <nebadon> hg will fail when it does a compare to check for someone trying to spoof
2014-08-25 22:30 <dahlia> I have a mini grid inside my home lan. I exposed robust and a region so I can HG. I HG out to another grid ok but when I try to tp back home I get an error that the IP addresses dont match, its like comparing my router IP to my computer IP
2014-08-25 22:31 <nebadon> ya im pretty sure that is a loopback failure 
2014-08-25 22:31 <dahlia> router is 192.168.11.1, comp is 192.168.11.104 and they dont match
2014-08-25 22:31 <nebadon> one that would only effect HG
2014-08-25 22:32 <AliciaRaven> ah yes, that script doesnt do any lan stuff
2014-08-25 22:32 <dahlia> so somehow robust doesnt understand what my IP is and its probably something to do with my loopback setup
2014-08-25 22:34 <AliciaRaven> that would be ip routing which i never had to do with iptables, my lan is windows so i only use iptables for external servers
2014-08-25 22:35 <vegaslon> ya I realized I could not HG back into my region becouse I was logging into the local ip of my standalone instead of the wan address of my standalone, would let me login but HG did not like return trips
2014-08-25 22:35 <nebadon> i could try to dig into my router and look at its default loopback rules
2014-08-25 22:36 <nebadon> which work great in all forms of in and outbound travel
2014-08-25 22:36 <nebadon> im running TomatoRAF
2014-08-25 22:36 <dahlia> insmod ipt_mark 
2014-08-25 22:37 <dahlia> insmod xt_mark 
2014-08-25 22:37 <dahlia> iptables -t mangle -A PREROUTING -i ! `get_wanface` -d `nvram get wan_ipaddr` -j MARK --set-mark 0xd001 
2014-08-25 22:37 <dahlia> iptables -t mangle -A PREROUTING -j CONNMARK --save-mark 
2014-08-25 22:37 <dahlia> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -m mark --mark 0xd001 -j MASQUERADE 
2014-08-25 22:37 <dahlia> those are mine
2014-08-25 22:37 <dahlia> dd-wrt
2014-08-25 22:38 <nebadon> i found this as a fix
2014-08-25 22:38 <nebadon> insmod ipt_mark
2014-08-25 22:38 <nebadon> insmod xt_mark
2014-08-25 22:38 <nebadon> iptables -t mangle -A PREROUTING -i ! `get_wanface` -d `nvram get wan_ipaddr` -j MARK --set-mark 0xd001
2014-08-25 22:38 <nebadon> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -m mark --mark 0xd001 -j MASQUERADE
2014-08-25 22:39 <nebadon> which looks same as yours
2014-08-25 22:39 <dahlia> ya
2014-08-25 22:42 <dahlia> mine has a second mangle in there, whatever that means
2014-08-25 22:44 <nebadon> ya not sure what that does
2014-08-25 22:45 <nebadon> hmm
2014-08-25 23:45 <nebadon> has anyone else noticed that in world map tiles no longer load?
2014-08-25 23:45 <nebadon> ive noticed it on several grids im on
2014-08-25 23:46 <vegaslon> yes I have noticed it
2014-08-25 23:47 <nebadon> wonder what the heck is up with that
2014-08-25 23:47 <nebadon> we need to figure that out soon, before OSCC
2014-08-25 23:49 <AliciaRaven> just noticed that today nebadon, relog fixed it but had it happen twice and to others
2014-08-25 23:50 <nebadon> i noticed it first time at last OSCC meeting
2014-08-25 23:50 <lkalif> nebadon: on cc grid, you seem to be missing a trailing slash
2014-08-25 23:50 <nebadon> for map tiles?
2014-08-25 23:50 <lkalif> let me look at the log
2014-08-25 23:51 <nebadon> thanks
2014-08-25 23:51 <nebadon> osgrid is the on place i dont recall this being a problem
2014-08-25 23:51 <lkalif> Curl returned error code 6 (Couldn't re
2014-08-25 23:51 <nebadon> its avacon grid, oscc grid, encitra grid, and my home grid now as well as dahlias
2014-08-25 23:51 <nebadon> i dont see maptiles on any of them
2014-08-25 23:52 <lkalif> http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002map-3-7156-7148-objects.jpg
2014-08-25 23:52 <nebadon> even with the trailing slash
2014-08-25 23:52 <nebadon> that would return an error
2014-08-25 23:52 <lkalif> it's missing a /
2014-08-25 23:52 <nebadon> does adding the slash actually load that image?
2014-08-25 23:52 <nebadon> it shouldnt
2014-08-25 23:52 <nebadon> huh
2014-08-25 23:52 <nebadon> what do you know
2014-08-25 23:52 <nebadon> it does
2014-08-25 23:53 <nebadon> ok so where the heck is this at, i apparntly have every grid i manage wrong some how
2014-08-25 23:53 <nebadon> the odd part is this was working
2014-08-25 23:53 <nebadon> not too long ago i did see maptiles in all of these grids
2014-08-25 23:53 <lkalif> perhaps it was changed the way it is sent to the viewer?
2014-08-25 23:53 <nebadon> ya thats what I am thinking
2014-08-25 23:53 <lkalif> dunno where in the config you specify 
2014-08-25 23:54 <nebadon> me either, i dont think anyone has touched map stuff recently
2014-08-25 23:54 <nebadon> let me look over my config
2014-08-25 23:55 <lkalif> it loads fine in SL, so I guess something broke in Opensim
2014-08-25 23:55 <MarcusLlewel> GridCommon.ini, [MapImageService]
2014-08-25 23:57 <nebadon> thats for the region to send maptiles to robust i think
2014-08-25 23:57 <nebadon> the actually map retreival url is set in Robust.ini as part of the login service
2014-08-25 23:57 <nebadon> i just added a trailing slash
2014-08-25 23:57 <MarcusLlewel> Ah, right
2014-08-25 23:58 <vegaslon> see map tiles on cc grid
2014-08-25 23:58 <nebadon> i restarted robust and logging in now
2014-08-25 23:58 <nebadon> you do vegaslon?
2014-08-25 23:58 <vegaslon> hypergridding into it
2014-08-25 23:58 <nebadon> what viewer?
2014-08-25 23:59 <nebadon> maybe its just replex and singularity 
2014-08-25 23:59 <nebadon> I didnt think to try anything else
2014-08-25 23:59 <vegaslon> singularity
2014-08-25 23:59 <nebadon> k
2014-08-25 23:59 <nebadon> newest?
2014-08-25 23:59 <lkalif> nothing changed here
2014-08-25 23:59 <AliciaRaven> cant be just ur config nebadon, i had the same, they just stop and the viewer has to relog, i was using firestorm
2014-08-25 23:59 <nebadon> i pretty much never see them
2014-08-25 23:59 <nebadon> relogging doesnt seem to help, nothing does
2014-08-25 23:59 <nebadon> I just see blue with the text names
2014-08-26 00:00 <AliciaRaven> might bve different then, but seems coinsidence
2014-08-26 00:00 <lkalif> you set http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002/ as the map server url?
2014-08-26 00:00 <nebadon> i was doing this on my local grid
2014-08-26 00:00 <nebadon> which for all purposes is basically a clone of the oscc configurations
2014-08-26 00:01 <nebadon> very mindor differences
2014-08-26 00:01 <lkalif> hodor!
2014-08-26 00:01 <nebadon> well adding the trailing slash in Robust.ini doesnt seem to help
2014-08-26 00:01 <nebadon> unless! maybe i should restart regions too
2014-08-26 00:01 <nebadon> perhaps info is cached somewhere
2014-08-26 00:02 <nebadon> i do see the maptiles are in the proper folder for robust
2014-08-26 00:02 <nebadon> so they are being generated and captured
2014-08-26 00:05 <nebadon> ok interesting
2014-08-26 00:05 <nebadon> restarting the regions and now i see tiles
2014-08-26 00:06 <nebadon> i'll make same changes on CC grid
2014-08-26 00:06 <lkalif> perhaps before login response would automatically add /
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2014-08-26 00:06 <lkalif> and now it doesn't?
2014-08-26 00:06 <nebadon> perhaps i botched this recently, but honestly i dont think i changed this
2014-08-26 00:06 <nebadon> ah ya perhaps
2014-08-26 00:06 <lkalif> or you botched it ;)
2014-08-26 00:07 <nebadon> ya very possible
2014-08-26 00:07 <nebadon> but odd since i dont remember changing this
2014-08-26 00:07 <nebadon> and i know it worked before
2014-08-26 00:07 <nebadon> interestingly
2014-08-26 00:07 <nebadon> i still dont see maptiles at dahlias
2014-08-26 00:07 <nebadon> and since others are also experiencing this
2014-08-26 00:07 <nebadon> its not just me botching it
2014-08-26 00:07 <nebadon> has to be something changed in core
2014-08-26 00:08 <nebadon> there was some libomv updates
2014-08-26 00:08 <nebadon> orenh and justin both have been doing some cleaning
2014-08-26 00:08 <nebadon> perhaps unintended consequence
2014-08-26 00:09 <nebadon> i'll bring it up at the meeting and figure out best way to resolve this
2014-08-26 00:09 <nebadon> this must have broken sometime in the last month
2014-08-26 00:10 <nebadon> couldnt be any older than that I dont think
2014-08-26 00:12 <BlueWall> I'll look at it. I was in there a few weeks ago adding the extras support.
2014-08-26 00:12 <BlueWall> That setting will get pushed to your region from your grid automatically as a default. But, you can override.
2014-08-26 00:13 <nebadon> ah
2014-08-26 00:13 <nebadon> ok thanks BlueWall
2014-08-26 00:14 <BlueWall> I guess it needs to check and append "/" if not there
2014-08-26 00:15 <nebadon> ya what does our example file have
2014-08-26 00:15 <nebadon> im checking now
2014-08-26 00:16 <nebadon> our examples have no trailing slash
2014-08-26 00:16 <nebadon> which means almost everyone also won't so ya
2014-08-26 00:16 <nebadon> add it back
2014-08-26 00:19 <BlueWall> what is the section/setting?
2014-08-26 00:19 <nebadon> 1 sec
2014-08-26 00:19 <nebadon> [LoginService]
2014-08-26 00:19 <BlueWall> ok
2014-08-26 00:19 <nebadon>     ; For V2 map
2014-08-26 00:19 <nebadon>     MapTileURL = "http://127.0.0.1:8002";
2014-08-26 00:29 <BlueWall> taking forever to push
2014-08-26 00:29 <lkalif> that's what happens with home made hardware solutions :P
2014-08-26 00:30 <BlueWall> not usually
2014-08-26 00:30 <lkalif> opensim git server is usually slow
2014-08-26 00:31 <BlueWall> it usually takes only seconds to push from here
2014-08-26 00:31 <BlueWall> this is unusual
2014-08-26 00:31 <lkalif> I'm only pulling, and it takes forever every time
2014-08-26 00:32 <BlueWall> new clone?
2014-08-26 00:32 <lkalif> not just that, git pull to update too
2014-08-26 00:33 <lkalif> but nebadon setup a mirror on github so I use that now
2014-08-26 00:36 <nebadon> git is wierd
2014-08-26 00:36 <nebadon> sometimes its fast and othertimes it ungodly slow
2014-08-26 00:36 <nebadon> even github is slow for me sometimes
2014-08-26 00:36 <nebadon> its wierd too sometimes at the same moment in Texas server opensimulator.org git is fine
2014-08-26 00:36 <nebadon> i got o my german server and it takes 20 minutes to clone
2014-08-26 00:36 <nebadon> so odd
2014-08-26 00:39 <BlueWall> \o/
2014-08-26 00:39 <nebadon> thanks bluewall
2014-08-26 00:39 <BlueWall> yw
2014-08-26 00:41 <BlueWall> that should be getting the "/" appended
2014-08-26 00:41 <BlueWall>                 m_MapTileURL = m_MapTileURL.Trim();
2014-08-26 00:41 <BlueWall>                 if (!m_MapTileURL.EndsWith("/"))
2014-08-26 00:41 <BlueWall>                     m_MapTileURL = m_MapTileURL + "/";
2014-08-26 00:42 <nebadon> ok you think only maptile is a problem?
2014-08-26 00:42 <BlueWall> which did you change?
2014-08-26 00:42 <BlueWall> the one you showed me?
2014-08-26 00:42 <nebadon> yes
2014-08-26 00:43 <nebadon> you dont think this would effect any other services?
2014-08-26 00:43 <nebadon> seems unlikely since ive noticed no other issues
2014-08-26 00:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #3782 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2014-08-26 00:43 <BlueWall> when did you notice? After login or after teleport?
2014-08-26 00:44 <nebadon> after login
2014-08-26 00:44 <nebadon> i had not seen maptiles in a week or two
2014-08-26 00:44 <nebadon> first noticed it really at the last meeting for OSCC
2014-08-26 00:44 <BlueWall> hmm
2014-08-26 00:44 <nebadon> we asked people to bring up map
2014-08-26 00:44 <nebadon> and no one could see it
2014-08-26 00:45 <BlueWall> are they ok now?
2014-08-26 00:45 <nebadon> i think before that i just kind of blew it off as something i did wrong or temporary failure
2014-08-26 00:45 <nebadon> well when i added the / back into the url it did
2014-08-26 00:45 <BlueWall> strange
2014-08-26 00:45 <nebadon> i need to test your fix yet
2014-08-26 00:45 <BlueWall> yeah, apply that and restart everything
2014-08-26 00:45 <BlueWall> see if you override it in your region setting.
2014-08-26 00:47 <BlueWall> it can be in Map, Startup, WorldMap or HGWorldMap sections
2014-08-26 00:48 <BlueWall> < but you don't have to define it in the regions anymore if you set it in Robust
2014-08-26 00:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3782: SUCCESS in 8 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3782/
2014-08-26 00:48 <osjenkins> jamesh: Add back URL endings in examples
2014-08-26 00:48 <nebadon> ya i doubt im setting it on the region level in any of my grids
2014-08-26 00:48 <nebadon> pretty sure it was always on robust it was set
2014-08-26 00:49 <BlueWall> the regions have needed it to update the map url when users teleport via HG.
2014-08-26 00:50 <BlueWall> but we can push the default to the regions when they connect to the grid now
2014-08-26 00:51 <nebadon> ok, well thanks for the quick fix, i am glad it was easy
2014-08-26 00:51 <nebadon> and thanks lkalif for pointing out what was actually wrong
2014-08-26 00:52 <BlueWall> sure, let me know how the test goes
2014-08-26 00:52 <nebadon> oh wait
2014-08-26 00:52 <nebadon> so you just changed the example?
2014-08-26 00:53 <BlueWall> yes
2014-08-26 00:53 <nebadon> your not programatically going to append the /?
2014-08-26 00:53 <BlueWall> the code already handles it
2014-08-26 00:53 <nebadon> oh
2014-08-26 00:53 <nebadon> so why was it failing then?
2014-08-26 00:53 <BlueWall> I am trying to see why 
2014-08-26 00:53 <nebadon> im confused now
2014-08-26 00:53 <nebadon> ah ok
2014-08-26 00:53 <nebadon> when you pasted that code above for some reason i though that was what you changed
2014-08-26 00:54 <nebadon> i didnt really look at what the commit said lol
2014-08-26 00:54 <BlueWall> no, I was going to add that, but it was already there
2014-08-26 00:54 <nebadon> ya
2014-08-26 00:54 <BlueWall> that is why I'm wondering about the issue. It shouldn't have happened.
2014-08-26 00:54 <nebadon> ya that is really odd then
2014-08-26 00:55 <nebadon> especially since its not just me experiening it
2014-08-26 00:55 <BlueWall> the oscc grid, has it been updated, Robust and all?
2014-08-26 00:55 <nebadon> it was updated before the last load test
2014-08-26 00:55 <nebadon> last tuesday
2014-08-26 00:55 <BlueWall> ok
2014-08-26 00:55 <nebadon> about 1 hour before
2014-08-26 00:56 <nebadon> and i will update again tomorrow before it starts
2014-08-26 00:56 <nebadon> i can certainly test anything on my local grid though
2014-08-26 00:56 <BlueWall> might look in the region configs to see if the MapTileURL is being set, and comment them out.
2014-08-26 00:56 <nebadon> you can try jumping to my grid 
2014-08-26 00:56 <osmantis> Bug #6769:04 HG friends issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6769 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-26 00:56 <nebadon> http://grid.nebadon2025.com:8002
2014-08-26 00:56 <BlueWall> ok, give me a min.
2014-08-26 00:56 <nebadon> hmm ok let me check
2014-08-26 01:00 <BlueWall> I see the maptiles there
2014-08-26 01:01 <BlueWall> I guess this viewer doesn't support varregions though
2014-08-26 01:03 <nebadon> oh 
2014-08-26 01:03 <nebadon> what viewer?
2014-08-26 01:03 <BlueWall> Firestorm from May
2014-08-26 01:03 <nebadon> ya ive pretty much commited to only vars
2014-08-26 01:03 <nebadon> hehe
2014-08-26 01:04 <nebadon> 768x768 is very nice
2014-08-26 01:04 <nebadon> its my new default size
2014-08-26 01:04 <BlueWall> I should setup some too
2014-08-26 01:05 <BlueWall> I can see your regions in the map, but clicking on them shows invalid and makes a red tile
2014-08-26 01:05 <BlueWall> Ahh the SW corner is OK
2014-08-26 01:06 <nebadon> ya probably need to update viewer
2014-08-26 01:07 <BlueWall> did the vehicle border crossing get merged in?
2014-08-26 01:08 <nebadon> i dont think so
2014-08-26 01:09 <nebadon> Melanie_T maybe can say whats up there i am just not sure
2014-08-26 01:09 <BlueWall> maybe somethng to do with the varregions
2014-08-26 01:09 <BlueWall> I'm sure that throws a wrench in things
2014-08-26 01:12 <lkalif> firestorm from may this year? that should support vars
2014-08-26 01:13 <lkalif> well their map doesn't work well with vars
2014-08-26 01:13 <lkalif> but the sim will be rendered correcrlt
2014-08-26 01:15 <nebadon> i see bluewall going in
2014-08-26 01:15 <nebadon> and lots of yellow messages about not being able to get contents of folder
2014-08-26 01:15 <nebadon> invnetory i assume
2014-08-26 01:15 <nebadon> all seem like warnings though not errors
2014-08-26 01:16 <BlueWall> this map works after getting into a region
2014-08-26 01:16 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-26 01:16 <BlueWall> I think you have to enter the region to get the dimensions
2014-08-26 01:16 <nebadon> so adding the slash in does indeed fix the problem then
2014-08-26 01:17 <BlueWall> heh, I am still wondering why it didnt' take care of it.
2014-08-26 01:17 <nebadon> ya that is odd
2014-08-26 01:17 <nebadon> if i was setting at region level where would that be
2014-08-26 01:17 <nebadon> in GridCommon.ini?
2014-08-26 01:17 <BlueWall> yes
2014-08-26 01:17 <BlueWall> well, it can be in several places
2014-08-26 01:17 <BlueWall> but, you dont' need to set it in the region now
2014-08-26 01:18 <nebadon> the only thing i se there is the [MapImageService] but thats on port 8003
2014-08-26 01:18 <nebadon> thats for the region to send its tile to central service i think
2014-08-26 01:18 <nebadon> not for the viewer
2014-08-26 01:18 <BlueWall> yes
2014-08-26 01:18 <BlueWall> it can be in Map, Startup, WorldMap or HGWorldMap sections
2014-08-26 01:18 <nebadon> yea then im not setting it simulator level
2014-08-26 01:18 <nebadon> only ever at Robust
2014-08-26 01:19 <BlueWall> ok
2014-08-26 01:20 <BlueWall> all the regions in OSG are down?
2014-08-26 01:20 <nebadon> at the moment the grid is offline completley yes
2014-08-26 01:20 <BlueWall> fun
2014-08-26 01:23 <lkalif> they're sure taking their time ;)
2014-08-26 01:28 <nebadon> I am kind of impressed with how much better HG is working now, transfering inventory seems way less painful now
2014-08-26 01:28 <BlueWall> ++
2014-08-26 01:28 <nebadon> i havent used HG a whole lot until recently it was always so painful before
2014-08-26 01:28 <nebadon> im taking huge coalesced objects between grids
2014-08-26 01:29 <nebadon> like 100's of objects all at once
2014-08-26 01:29 <nebadon> kind of slow going but it hasnt failed yet
2014-08-26 01:29 <nebadon> last year at OSCC HG inventory sucked so bad
2014-08-26 01:30 <BlueWall> oscc rezzed instantly for me just now
2014-08-26 01:30 <nebadon> nice
2014-08-26 01:30 <BlueWall> I guess the crowd slows it down in the testing
2014-08-26 01:31 <nebadon> oh ya a ton
2014-08-26 01:31 <nebadon> we need to work on optimizing logins
2014-08-26 01:31 <BlueWall> map works
2014-08-26 01:31 <nebadon> hopefully thats on our soon to fix list with these load tests
2014-08-26 01:31 <nebadon> hmm interesting
2014-08-26 01:31 <BlueWall> looks like some remodeling going on?
2014-08-26 01:31 <nebadon> yea
2014-08-26 01:31 <nebadon> were not just going to reuse last years venues
2014-08-26 01:32 <nebadon> it will feel familiar though
2014-08-26 01:32 <BlueWall> why not, lol they are nice
2014-08-26 01:32 <nebadon> we will reuse some of it
2014-08-26 01:32 <BlueWall> what happens to them?
2014-08-26 01:32 <nebadon> one goal is to replace as much with mesh as we can
2014-08-26 01:32 <nebadon> thats a big priority
2014-08-26 01:32 <nebadon> remove sculpty
2014-08-26 01:32 <BlueWall> I see
2014-08-26 01:33 <BlueWall> that will be nice
2014-08-26 01:33 <nebadon> and give it a kind of 2.0 feel
2014-08-26 01:33 <BlueWall> when is that?
2014-08-26 01:33 <nebadon> Nov 8/9
2014-08-26 01:33 <BlueWall> ok, cool
2014-08-26 01:33 <nebadon> http://conference.opensimulator.org
2014-08-26 01:33 <BlueWall> we dont' have to register do we?
2014-08-26 01:33 <nebadon> you will
2014-08-26 01:33 <nebadon> but developers will have reserved spot
2014-08-26 01:34 <nebadon> as will any volunteers
2014-08-26 01:34 <BlueWall> should I register?
2014-08-26 01:34 <nebadon> if you have an account from last year it will still work
2014-08-26 01:34 <nebadon> only if your planning on volunteering BlueWall
2014-08-26 01:34 <nebadon> otherwise registration doesnt open for a few weeks still
2014-08-26 01:34 <nebadon> you can register to be notified on the website though
2014-08-26 01:34 <BlueWall> ok
2014-08-26 02:56 <nebadon> there is a really super annoying bug with core groups
2014-08-26 02:56 <nebadon> the "apply" button doesnt work
2014-08-26 02:56 <nebadon> only the "OK" button will persist changes
2014-08-26 02:56 <nebadon> if you hit apply your changes get blown away
2014-08-26 02:56 <nebadon> this has been happening quite possibly always with core groups
2014-08-26 02:56 <nebadon> i just finally reallized that the only time settings saved is if i hit ok, it felt so random before
2014-08-26 02:57 <nebadon> i just never noticed
2014-08-26 03:40 <dahlia> so what do I need to change in my Robust.ini?
2014-08-26 03:43 <dahlia> add / to MapTileURL and SearchURL?
2014-08-26 03:48 <nebadon> all i did was map tile dahlia
2014-08-26 03:48 <nebadon> i have not tested search though
2014-08-26 03:49 <dahlia> ya I dont think I have a search service
2014-08-26 03:49 <dahlia> unless theres one in robust already
2014-08-26 03:54 <nebadon> there would be for users
2014-08-26 03:54 <nebadon> and groups
2014-08-26 03:54 <nebadon> and regions
2014-08-26 03:54 <nebadon> on the map anyway
2014-08-26 03:54 <nebadon> im not sure what would use that specifically though
2014-08-26 06:25 <dahlia> -anyone know hot to configure the http authentication for when a region server is outside the grid server firewall?
2014-08-26 06:26 <dahlia> *know how
2014-08-26 06:37 <nebadon> diva does I think
2014-08-26 17:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #3783 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-26 17:18 <justincc> nebadon: alright, there is now a temporary ghosts branch which contains the hack to disable av to av collisions in bulletsim
2014-08-26 17:19 <justincc> nebadon: but don't update for 10 mins as I may make a further small change in master and merge back into that
2014-08-26 17:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3783: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3783/
2014-08-26 17:19 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Implement experimental non-default mechanism to update scene via a timer rather than a persistent thread with sleep.
2014-08-26 17:19 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Fix frame times when updating scene on timer.
2014-08-26 17:26 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-26 17:26 <nebadon> just say when justincc
2014-08-26 17:26 <nebadon> im ready to go
2014-08-26 17:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #3784 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-26 17:28 <justincc> nebadon: alright done.  You're giong to checkout and build ghosts, right?
2014-08-26 17:28 <nebadon> yes
2014-08-26 17:28 <nebadon> already cloned
2014-08-26 17:28 <nebadon> and branch changed
2014-08-26 17:28 <nebadon> looks like im already on master git
2014-08-26 17:28 <nebadon> so here i go
2014-08-26 17:28 <justincc> I also need to twiddle a config value.  I want to reinstate the attachments rezzing delay we were using last oscc
2014-08-26 17:29 <justincc> so I will do that now
2014-08-26 17:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3784: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3784/
2014-08-26 17:30 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Remove race conditions from where SP.AbsolutePosition could change between the various property checks.
2014-08-26 17:30 <justincc> huh, it's already set
2014-08-26 17:31 <justincc> nebadon: ok I remember, you copied previous year's config
2014-08-26 17:32 <nebadon> where are you talking about?
2014-08-26 17:33 <justincc> [Attachments] ThrottlePer100PrimsRezzed = 500
2014-08-26 17:33 <nebadon> oh ya
2014-08-26 17:33 <nebadon> that has been set forever
2014-08-26 17:34 <nebadon> long time ago
2014-08-26 17:34 <nebadon> i actually just recommended that MOSES grid institute that as well
2014-08-26 17:34 <justincc> yeah, unfortunate I never got around to documenting it
2014-08-26 17:34 <nebadon> im overhauling their configurations for them
2014-08-26 17:34 <justincc> they're paying?
2014-08-26 17:34 <nebadon> its Avacon stuff
2014-08-26 17:35 <justincc> but someone is paying you?
2014-08-26 17:35 <nebadon> but yes ultimately its pay work
2014-08-26 17:35 <justincc> or more volunteer work ;)
2014-08-26 17:35 <justincc> ok, cool
2014-08-26 17:36 <nebadon> their grid was not running well at all
2014-08-26 17:36 <justincc> yeah, tell me about it
2014-08-26 17:36 <nebadon> i was rather surprised, even with like 20 people the region was really performing terrible
2014-08-26 17:36 <justincc> were they doing anything terribly wrong?
2014-08-26 17:36 <nebadon> yes
2014-08-26 17:36 <nebadon> extremely
2014-08-26 17:36 <justincc> lol
2014-08-26 17:36 <nebadon> like cleaning asset cache every second
2014-08-26 17:36 <nebadon> lol
2014-08-26 17:37 <justincc> urrggh
2014-08-26 17:37 <justincc> kind of... defeats the purpose
2014-08-26 17:37 <nebadon> ya 
2014-08-26 17:37 <nebadon> and its super harsh
2014-08-26 17:37 <justincc> ok, well turning off av to av has vastly improved my local phys time with pcampbot, unless I've screwed up times badly
2014-08-26 17:37 <nebadon> ok awesome
2014-08-26 17:37 <justincc> but that is with the highly artificial situation of them standing on top of each other
2014-08-26 17:37 <justincc> we'll see how it does in the test
2014-08-26 17:38 <nebadon> ya im sure it will help a bit
2014-08-26 17:39 <nebadon> colliding avatar piles can be very harsh
2014-08-26 17:39 <justincc> we'll see. this might be the kind of thing where bots are much worse than reals
2014-08-26 17:39 <nebadon> not to mention your avatar can get trapped
2014-08-26 17:39 <nebadon> and be unable to move
2014-08-26 17:39 <justincc> well, avoiding any collisions helps, we are definitely bounded by physics in some sitautions now
2014-08-26 17:39 <nebadon> yeqa
2014-08-26 17:40 <justincc> mm, although worringly bulletsim just stackdumped on my local
2014-08-26 17:40 <justincc> first time I've ever seen that in this situation
2014-08-26 17:40 <justincc> not obviously linked to that change since it's a very small change just to flip a single bit that says don't do av to av collisions
2014-08-26 17:40 <justincc> hum
2014-08-26 17:41 <nebadon> ya im not sure ive seen bulletsim dump in quite some time
2014-08-26 17:41 <nebadon> even with 100k physical spheres it kept going
2014-08-26 17:41 <justincc> I'm going to start again and hopefully that was just an extremely rare one off.... trace was in collision code though
2014-08-26 17:42 <nebadon> ok grid should be ready to go
2014-08-26 17:42 <nebadon> i only restaretd Keynotes and Staff Zone 1 for now
2014-08-26 17:47 <justincc> aaargh
2014-08-26 17:47 <nebadon> ?
2014-08-26 17:48 <justincc> I see one mistake I made now, which might be why sim crashed
2014-08-26 17:48 <justincc> urgh, this probably makes the update timer stuff unusable today
2014-08-26 17:49 <justincc> I can fix it but I'm guessing it's too late to update again
2014-08-26 17:52 <nebadon> hmm
2014-08-26 17:52 <nebadon> maybe not
2014-08-26 17:52 <nebadon> can you get it in really quick?
2014-08-26 17:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #3785 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-26 17:53 <nebadon> that it justincc?
2014-08-26 17:53 <justincc> nebadon: sorry about that - I actually had it in place earlier but moved it to deal with something else and forgot it was necessary
2014-08-26 17:53 <justincc> yes
2014-08-26 17:54 <nebadon> bluewall ping
2014-08-26 17:54 <nebadon> please hop out for a moment
2014-08-26 17:54 <BlueWall> hey
2014-08-26 17:54 <nebadon> sorry about that
2014-08-26 17:54 <BlueWall> ok
2014-08-26 17:54 <nebadon> thanks
2014-08-26 17:54 <BlueWall> no problem
2014-08-26 17:55 <justincc> nebadon: going to have to meet on oscc again, right?
2014-08-26 17:56 <nebadon> ye
2014-08-26 17:56 <nebadon> i just emailed, twittered, G+, and facedbook out the details
2014-08-26 17:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3785: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3785/
2014-08-26 17:56 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Don't allow update timer to invoke another scene update if the previous is still active.
2014-08-26 17:57 <nebadon> ok justincc its done
2014-08-26 17:57 <Plugh> Meeting at the load test site again today?
2014-08-26 17:57 <nebadon> everythings restarted and ready
2014-08-26 17:57 <justincc> nebadon: thanks
2014-08-26 17:57 <nebadon> yes Plugh
2014-08-26 17:57 <nebadon> hg to > http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 Staff Zone 1
2014-08-26 17:57 <Plugh> ok
2014-08-26 17:58 <nebadon> its still starting 1 sec
2014-08-26 17:58 <nebadon> wierd it seems kind of hung starting up Staff Zone now
2014-08-26 17:58 <nebadon> like scripts arent starting
2014-08-26 17:58 <nebadon> it stopped at 200 loaded
2014-08-26 17:59 <nebadon> restarting it again
2014-08-26 17:59 <nebadon> this is wierd
2014-08-26 17:59 <nebadon> hmm big red spew on start 
2014-08-26 17:59 <nebadon> some kind of http error
2014-08-26 17:59 <nebadon> ok it started this time though
2014-08-26 17:59 <nebadon> strange
2014-08-26 18:00 <misterblue_> is there going to be a dev meeting today?
2014-08-26 18:00 <nebadon> yes
2014-08-26 18:00 <nebadon> on OSCC grid misterblue_
2014-08-26 18:00 <nebadon> http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 Staff Zone 1
2014-08-26 18:00 <justincc> nebadon: I see it.  My immediate guess is that someone tried to login at just the wrong time
2014-08-26 18:00 <justincc> I don't think it's a permanent issue
2014-08-26 18:00 <misterblue_> guess I need to sign up on another grid so I can HG in
2014-08-26 18:01 <justincc> Misterblue: you don't have an oscc a/c from last year?
2014-08-26 18:01 <misterblue_> hummm.... have to dig that up :)
2014-08-26 18:02 <justincc> nebadon: you activated tos?
2014-08-26 18:02 <nebadon> actually
2014-08-26 18:02 <nebadon> it was 
2014-08-26 18:03 <nebadon> but last week i forgot that DLL
2014-08-26 18:03 <nebadon> so it never triggered
2014-08-26 18:03 <nebadon> hopefully not a huge deal, good to test things as they should be for the event though
2014-08-26 21:52 <justinccAfk> hey nebadon, still around?
2014-08-26 21:57 <nebadon> hey justincc
2014-08-26 21:57 <nebadon> i am 
2014-08-26 21:57 <justincc> nebadon: you say you recreate the login lag issue with radegast logins?
2014-08-26 21:58 <nebadon> yes i can
2014-08-26 21:58 <nebadon> but all of my avatars have attachments and stuff
2014-08-26 21:58 <nebadon> not just a plain ruth
2014-08-26 21:58 <justincc> still, it would be useful to establish a baseline.  Does it take long to get to that point?
2014-08-26 21:59 <nebadon> about 50-60 and i start noticing change
2014-08-26 21:59 <justincc> that is a lot to get logged in
2014-08-26 21:59 <nebadon> i can get 40 or so in relatively quickly
2014-08-26 22:00 <justincc> and it's just a login, nothing more?
2014-08-26 22:00 <nebadon> yep
2014-08-26 22:00 <nebadon> now that i know i can sit from console
2014-08-26 22:00 <nebadon> its much much easier
2014-08-26 22:00 <nebadon> technically you could completely script login too
2014-08-26 22:01 <nebadon> radegast has command line switches to log in username and password
2014-08-26 22:01 <nebadon> though not sure you can specify location
2014-08-26 22:01 <nebadon> lkalif?
2014-08-26 22:03 <lkalif> you can with -l regionname/x/y/z
2014-08-26 22:03 <nebadon> thanks
2014-08-26 22:03 <lkalif> http://radegast.org/wiki/Command_Line_Options
2014-08-26 22:03 <nebadon> awesome
2014-08-26 22:05 <justincc> thanks
2014-08-26 22:05 <justincc> nebadon: and you're managing to run 60+ on one machine?
2014-08-26 22:05 <nebadon> yes
2014-08-26 22:05 <nebadon> it can be done
2014-08-26 22:05 <nebadon> with enough memory
2014-08-26 22:05 <lkalif> as long as the machine is windows :P
2014-08-26 22:05 <nebadon> yes that too
2014-08-26 22:05 <nebadon> does not run well under linux
2014-08-26 22:05 <nebadon> you can get a handful running under linux
2014-08-26 22:05 <nebadon> then it starts exploding
2014-08-26 22:05 <nebadon> maybe 5-6 max
2014-08-26 22:06 <justincc> nebadon: how much memory does the machine you're using have?
2014-08-26 22:06 <nebadon> well i normally use 3 machines
2014-08-26 22:07 <nebadon> the one that works the best though
2014-08-26 22:07 <nebadon> is my i5 cpu its 3.6ghz 
2014-08-26 22:07 <nebadon> and has 16gb ram
2014-08-26 22:07 <nebadon> and even with 40 radegast going i have about 7gb ram free
2014-08-26 22:07 <nebadon> i could probably do much better on my laptop
2014-08-26 22:07 <nebadon> which has 24gb ram
2014-08-26 22:07 <nebadon> but i generally have 3-4 replex viewers running 
2014-08-26 22:08 <nebadon> plus 5-6 blender windows and photoshop and netflix on tv
2014-08-26 22:08 <nebadon> lol
2014-08-26 22:08 <nebadon> my i5 machine is windows 7
2014-08-26 22:08 <nebadon> laptop is windows 8
2014-08-26 22:08 <justincc> alright, I have to think about how best to try and replicate the conditions.  I don't really have sufficiently powerful machines and it would take me some to upgrade things and run so much stuff
2014-08-26 22:08 <nebadon> k
2014-08-26 22:09 <nebadon> well if you need me to log in some at some point let me know
2014-08-26 22:09 <justincc> that would be good but how long is it going to take you to get to that point?
2014-08-26 22:09 <justincc> of having 60 running
2014-08-26 22:09 <nebadon> on my core2qaud machine with 8gb ram
2014-08-26 22:09 <nebadon> i have no trouble running 20 radegast
2014-08-26 22:09 <nebadon> i never really push it much beyond that
2014-08-26 22:09 <nebadon> ram runs out quick with 8gb
2014-08-26 22:10 <nebadon> i can probably get 60 in about 20 minutes
2014-08-26 22:10 <nebadon> maybe quicker now im not sitting them
2014-08-26 22:10 <justincc> is that something we can do now?
2014-08-26 22:10 <nebadon> sure
2014-08-26 22:10 <nebadon> Keynote 1?
2014-08-26 22:11 <justincc> yes
2014-08-26 22:11 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-26 22:11 <nebadon> all 60 there?
2014-08-26 22:11 <justincc> what I want to do is find the minimum that trigger these delays.  Then work backwards from there
2014-08-26 22:11 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-26 22:12 <justincc> so you're doing this manually atm?
2014-08-26 22:13 <justincc> you know, I'm actually seeing the effect already
2014-08-26 22:13 <nebadon> 20 are in
2014-08-26 22:13 <justincc> so might not need to go further
2014-08-26 22:13 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-26 22:14 <nebadon> it doesnt take much
2014-08-26 22:14 <nebadon> usually when im logging in prior to everyone getting there
2014-08-26 22:14 <nebadon> i definitely notice a change around 50-60
2014-08-26 22:14 <nebadon> things start taking longer and longer to complete
2014-08-26 22:14 <nebadon> when i get to around 80, if i even can, most times i cant
2014-08-26 22:14 <nebadon> its usually very slow at that point
2014-08-26 22:14 <nebadon> just logins that is
2014-08-26 22:14 <nebadon> once things settle its fine
2014-08-26 22:15 <nebadon> but something happening during login seems to compound as more avatars are present
2014-08-26 22:15 <nebadon> perhaps updates about all appearance and attachments
2014-08-26 22:15 <nebadon> being broadcast to everyone as other things are being fetched and baked etc..
2014-08-26 22:15 <justincc> everything is a possible factor at this point
2014-08-26 22:16 <justincc> nebadon: coul dyou log them off and back in again?  I have flicked a switch and i would like to see if the effect is the same
2014-08-26 22:16 <nebadon> sure
2014-08-26 22:16 <justincc> I am stat recording this as well
2014-08-26 22:16 <nebadon> here goes
2014-08-26 22:17 <justincc> yeah, you cna stop now really
2014-08-26 22:17 <justincc> how many atm?
2014-08-26 22:18 <nebadon> ok there is 20
2014-08-26 22:19 <justincc> nebadon: so what I would like to do is take the region down, disable attachments temporarily and then test that, is that ok?
2014-08-26 22:19 <nebadon> sure
2014-08-26 22:19 <nebadon> feel free to do whatever 
2014-08-26 22:19 <nebadon> just let me know if you plan on leaving it an extended broken state
2014-08-26 22:20 <nebadon> i don't mind just be good to know
2014-08-26 22:20 <justincc> I most probably won't do that but I'll let you know
2014-08-26 22:20 <nebadon> want me to kill the bots?
2014-08-26 22:20 <nebadon> oh you already did
2014-08-26 22:20 <nebadon> lol
2014-08-26 22:21 <justincc> ok, could you log bots back in?
2014-08-26 22:21 <nebadon> yep
2014-08-26 22:24 <nebadon> ok theres 20
2014-08-26 22:24 <justincc> so you logged in at same rate as before?
2014-08-26 22:24 <nebadon> ya 
2014-08-26 22:24 <nebadon> as quickly as i could
2014-08-26 22:24 <justincc> ok, on my unscientific walk around test there was no delay that time
2014-08-26 22:24 <nebadon> maybe 1 every 10-15 seconds at most
2014-08-26 22:24 <justincc> so it's quite possible this is attachment related
2014-08-26 22:24 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-26 22:24 <nebadon> thats what i said too
2014-08-26 22:24 <nebadon> pretty sure its either inventory or attachments
2014-08-26 22:24 <nebadon> or both
2014-08-26 22:24 <justincc> it's a good place to start looking
2014-08-26 22:25 <justincc> this also means it's not something the viewer is doing in this case
2014-08-26 22:25 <nebadon> right
2014-08-26 22:26 <justincc> nebadon: so this is pretty much mesh attachments to change av appearance?
2014-08-26 22:26 <justincc> it didn't look much like other accoutrements last time
2014-08-26 22:26 <nebadon> for my npcs?
2014-08-26 22:26 <justincc> yes, for these testers
2014-08-26 22:26 <nebadon> i dont think any of them are mesh
2014-08-26 22:26 <justincc> ok
2014-08-26 22:26 <nebadon> they are the OSavatars, the default OSCCC avatars
2014-08-26 22:26 <nebadon> and my Aliens
2014-08-26 22:26 <nebadon> 2 different aliens
2014-08-26 22:26 <nebadon> oh and maybe there is a mesh
2014-08-26 22:27 <nebadon> now i think about it
2014-08-26 22:27 <nebadon> the guy with the red laser beam eyes
2014-08-26 22:27 <nebadon> he is mesh
2014-08-26 22:27 <justincc> for convenience, is it possible you could hand my avatar the stuff again?  I don't have it handy right now.  That way I can dress up some ima bots and test at will
2014-08-26 22:27 <justincc> after getting appearance working... or perhaps I'll stick with some other avatars
2014-08-26 22:27 <justincc> or perhaps even use yours?
2014-08-26 22:27 <nebadon> hmm ya thinking best way to do that
2014-08-26 22:27 <nebadon> let me log in again
2014-08-26 22:28 <nebadon> i probably have the osavatr vendors handy
2014-08-26 22:28 <nebadon> how about i just give you the details to my bot accounts?
2014-08-26 22:28 <nebadon> save you some time
2014-08-26 22:28 <justincc> ok, cool
2014-08-26 22:28 <nebadon> ill skype
2014-08-26 22:29 <justincc> ok thanks
2014-08-26 22:29 <justincc> yeah. this is the first thing to look at now, the exact effects of these attachments and what could be done to improve matters.  Of course, alraedy was doing that some of last year with these rez delays,. bnut looks like that isn't enough
2014-08-26 22:30 <nebadon> ya this is good too since we know my bots cause the issue
2014-08-26 22:30 <nebadon> hate for you to spend hours setting up bots
2014-08-26 22:30 <nebadon> and find it doesnt happen
2014-08-26 22:30 <nebadon> lol
2014-08-26 22:30 <justincc> parsing the xml in these big prim assets takes a lot of cpu but that's a difficult thing to fix in the short term
2014-08-26 22:30 <justincc> and really shouldn't be the issue since we have cpu to spare
2014-08-26 22:30 <nebadon> my aliends very well could be part of the problem
2014-08-26 22:30 <nebadon> aliens*
2014-08-26 22:31 <justincc> yeah. if I can replicate the issue it makes it a lot easier to address rather than trying to guess what the worst problem is
2014-08-26 22:31 <nebadon> the 2 different aliens
2014-08-26 22:31 <justincc> well, anybody could visit the grid with equally complex stuff, and the effect there is spread over more avatars
2014-08-26 22:31 <nebadon> one is 1800 prims the other is almost 3000 prims
2014-08-26 22:31 <justincc> once they rez the delay goes away
2014-08-26 22:31 <nebadon> they use every attach point
2014-08-26 22:31 <nebadon> if you think about that is a lot of updates
2014-08-26 22:31 <justincc> at the worst it might be necessary to limit the complexity of attachments, but that's just a vaguethought at this point.  hoepfully such stuff won't turn out ot be necessary
2014-08-26 22:31 <justincc> yeah
2014-08-26 22:32 <justincc> in theory lots of updates shouldn't be an issue, they should just getqueued.  But unfortunately there are other knock on effects
2014-08-26 22:32 <justincc> in the very worst case, we might be getting to a fundamental problem with using a managed VM, where we haveno guarantee on the scene thread running updates ina timely manner under load
2014-08-26 22:32 <justincc> which would be the worst
2014-08-26 22:33 <nebadon_> hmm well that sucked disconnected for no apparant reason
2014-08-26 22:33 <nebadon_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljLlbF0mzwQ
2014-08-26 22:33 <nebadon_> theres the 40 aliens
2014-08-26 22:33 <nebadon_> lol
2014-08-26 22:33 <justincc> scene thinks you got a logout.  COuld be tos?
2014-08-26 22:33 <justincc> although they were fin ein the test...
2014-08-26 22:34 <nebadon_> i think my network dropped
2014-08-26 22:34 <nebadon_> i got disconnetd from irc too
2014-08-26 22:34 <justincc> sorry, i meant scene got an explicit logout request, didn't time them out
2014-08-26 22:34 <justincc> odd
2014-08-26 22:34 <nebadon_> oh hrmm
2014-08-26 22:34 <nebadon_> i did close them right after they started blinking
2014-08-26 22:35 <justincc> blinking?
2014-08-26 22:35 <nebadon_> ya the clients on the task bar start blinking usually
2014-08-26 22:35 <nebadon_> when something happens like disconnect or some kind of messages come through
2014-08-26 22:37 <justincc> anyway, at least one component of delay looks related to attachments, so will start there
2014-08-26 22:37 <justincc> it is the case with compelx attachments that all that data has to be sent to anybody joining the scene.  SO the more of that stuff the more detail
2014-08-26 22:37 <justincc> data
2014-08-26 22:37 <justincc> in theory it shouldn't be a problem, but clearly there's an issue somewhere
2014-08-26 22:37 <nebadon__> hmmm went out again
2014-08-26 22:37 <nebadon__> wierd
2014-08-26 22:38 <justincc> nebadon__: I was just saying that big attachments shouldn't be aproblem in theory but clearly it's at least one component of scene delay
2014-08-26 22:38 <nebadon__> ya
2014-08-26 22:38 <nebadon__> i suspect its not the fetching
2014-08-26 22:38 <nebadon__> but the sending out of updates to others
2014-08-26 22:39 <justincc> everybody joining the region gets sent all that data.  It should just get queued (which might be the issue with them not being able to move for a while) but it shoudln't affect the frame time
2014-08-26 22:39 <justincc> but it is getting affected
2014-08-26 22:39 <nebadon__> becuase that would be the only part with potential exponential for degrading
2014-08-26 22:39 <justincc> yeah
2014-08-26 22:40 <nebadon__> fetching assets and attachments for your own viewer wouldnt get worse with more avatars i wouldnt think
2014-08-26 22:40 <justincc> when you think the scene prim limit is 45000, your aliens are taking it well beyond that
2014-08-26 22:40 <nebadon__> heh
2014-08-26 22:40 <nebadon__> yes but on the other hand
2014-08-26 22:40 <justincc> I can imagine it clogging outbound pipes, but to me that doesn't explain the drop in frame time when we still have good cpu available
2014-08-26 22:40 <nebadon__> logging into a region with 200,000 prims
2014-08-26 22:40 <nebadon__> you wont experieence the same kind of lag 
2014-08-26 22:40 <nebadon__> it very much seems like its attachments
2014-08-26 22:41 <justincc> yes, disabling attachments makes the lag I was seeing just now go away
2014-08-26 22:41 <nebadon__> cause if you think about it too, 45k is 1 just 1 region too
2014-08-26 22:41 <justincc> but that's not an option forthe real thing
2014-08-26 22:41 <nebadon__> generally you are surrounded by regions with potential lots of prims and avatars
2014-08-26 22:41 <nebadon__> the viewer should be able to handle that
2014-08-26 22:41 <justincc> is there any limit to attachment complexity in sl? THat's what the 'arc'? calcs are all about, right?
2014-08-26 22:44 <dahlia> arc is bs
2014-08-26 22:44 <nebadon__> i remember going to parties in SL, the SL Concierge party for region owners, there was something like 650 avatars in 26 regions all touching
2014-08-26 22:45 <justincc> avatar rendering cost
2014-08-26 22:45 <dahlia> but it's "rendering cost" which is vague and doesnt apply across the configuration space
2014-08-26 22:45 <nebadon__> in SL you could potentially attach a 256 prim linkset to each attachpoint
2014-08-26 22:45 <dahlia> in other words it may affect your intel gpu but not my nvidia
2014-08-26 22:46 <justincc> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Avatar_Rendering_Cost
2014-08-26 22:46 <justincc> yeah, they talk about it more in the context of viewer rendering and the onus looks on the user to reduce that by turning down graphics options or using avatar imposters
2014-08-26 22:46 <nebadon__> and now you could potentially attach multiple objects to each attach point
2014-08-26 22:46 <nebadon__> you definitely wont make friends like that
2014-08-26 22:46 <nebadon__> lol
2014-08-26 22:46 <nebadon__> ya the av cost in sl even caculates stuff like particles too think?
2014-08-26 22:46 <nebadon__> bling etc..
2014-08-26 22:46 <dahlia> all arc is good for is causing turmoil amongst the unwashed masses who have no clue what it means but are happy to accuse others of causing lag
2014-08-26 22:46 <justincc> ok, I'm going to re-enable attachments on kn1 and restart
2014-08-26 22:46 <nebadon__> k
2014-08-26 22:47 <dahlia> anyway SL has a 255 prim limit per attachment, and I dont believe theres a script limit
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2014-08-27 02:29 <dahlia> anyone know the secret incantation to save a new grid entry in singularity/replex grid manager? 
2014-08-27 02:30 <dahlia> every time I restart I need to enter it again
2014-08-27 02:32 <nebadon> just go into grid manager
2014-08-27 02:32 <nebadon> hit create
2014-08-27 02:32 <nebadon> put in your URI
2014-08-27 02:33 <nebadon> and hit apply
2014-08-27 02:33 <nebadon> that is all i have ever done
2014-08-27 02:33 <dahlia> Ive done that a zillion times
2014-08-27 02:34 <dahlia> apparently theres some state where it doesnt save and I keep hitting it
2014-08-27 02:34 <nebadon> maybe you already have a grid with same name?
2014-08-27 02:34 <dahlia> nope
2014-08-27 02:34 <dahlia> not visible on the drop down at least
2014-08-27 02:35 <nebadon> do you have a grid named <required>
2014-08-27 02:35 <nebadon> ive done this a million times
2014-08-27 02:35 <dahlia> ya
2014-08-27 02:36 <nebadon> thats the one
2014-08-27 02:36 <nebadon> erase that
2014-08-27 02:36 <nebadon> its evil
2014-08-27 02:36 <nebadon> lol
2014-08-27 02:36 <nebadon> ive done it a million times
2014-08-27 02:36 <dahlia> no, I mean I entered a grid name where <required> is
2014-08-27 02:37 <nebadon> oh
2014-08-27 02:37 <dahlia> I dont have a grid named "<required>"
2014-08-27 02:37 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-27 02:37 <nebadon> ive done it many times where some how the grid ends up saving as <required> and theni cant add that loginuri again
2014-08-27 02:37 <nebadon> until i remove that grid entry
2014-08-27 02:38 <dahlia> that grid manager is very unfriendly
2014-08-27 02:38 <nebadon> maybe your grid xml file is something wrongt
2014-08-27 02:38 <nebadon> read only or something
2014-08-27 02:39 <dahlia> it loads, I lose it all when I close viewer and restart
2014-08-27 02:39 <dahlia> on windows
2014-08-27 02:41 <nebadon> ive not seen it do that
2014-08-27 04:21 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-08-27 08:23 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-27 21:02 <AllenKerensky> has anyone built DSG lately?
2014-08-27 21:28 <nebadon> I think MOSES grid is using it
2014-08-27 21:28 <nebadon> if you see cmickeyb ask him
2014-08-27 21:28 <nebadon> Misterblue_ may also have some knowledge
2014-08-27 21:32 <AllenKerensky> thanks nebadon got some compile errors so maybe they are hanging back on a previous git version or something
2014-08-27 21:59 <AllenKerensky> 13 errors down - 2 left
2014-08-27 22:11 <AllenKerensky> woot! OpenSim master + DSG master compiles for me
2014-08-27 22:36 <osmantis> Bug #7310:04 [Solved] Unable to compile OpenSim 0.8.1 + DSG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7310 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-08-27 22:37 <osmantis> Bug #7310:04 [Solved] Unable to compile OpenSim 0.8.1 + DSG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7310 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-08-28 00:35 <lkalif> Is there going to be OSGRid 10 days offline memorial service? ;)
2014-08-28 00:43 <AllenKerensky> no we've been having daily memorial get together and update services
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2014-08-28 00:48 <AllenKerensky> 
ACTION sings "On the tenth day of downtime, the admins updated me ... RAID 10s a failing, 9 users wailing, 8 ..."

2014-08-28 00:48 <lkalif> OSGrid is sort of a public face of the OpenSim project
2014-08-28 00:49 <lkalif> 10 days downtime looks bad, not only for OSGrid
2014-08-28 00:49 <AllenKerensky> its a testing grid - testing happens
2014-08-28 00:49 <lkalif> this is not testing
2014-08-28 00:49 <AllenKerensky> its never been advertised as anything other than a testing grid that I've ever seen
2014-08-28 00:50 <lkalif> well I'm not going to convice you
2014-08-28 00:50 <lkalif> But OSGrid is PR for OpenSim
2014-08-28 00:50 <AllenKerensky> no, because a test thing can be expected to be up-down-other as a testers whim
2014-08-28 00:50 <lkalif> I'd take it a bit more seriously
2014-08-28 00:50 <AllenKerensky> i can't help other people's misplaced expectations
2014-08-28 00:51 <lkalif> AllenKerensky: is there anything you *can* help with?
2014-08-28 00:51 <AllenKerensky> and anyone who looks 2 secs at it will find its not down due to OpenSim code - its down due to a volunteer funded server hardware outage
2014-08-28 00:51 <AllenKerensky> well lkalif I submitted my patch to get DSG compiling again today - what did you do?
2014-08-28 00:51 <lkalif> good for you
2014-08-28 00:51 <AllenKerensky> Bug #7310: [Solved] Unable to compile OpenSim 0.8.1 + DSG ( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7310 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-08-28 00:52 <AllenKerensky> oh yeah - I also told several people who asked for updates the link to the osgrid forum post with Hiro's latest update
2014-08-28 00:53 <lkalif> perhaps osgrid twitter account should provide that information
2014-08-28 00:53 <AllenKerensky> also asked Neb to update the osgrid channel topic to link to the update post to help others even when I am not around
2014-08-28 00:53 <AllenKerensky> Announcement http://forums.osgrid.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5291
2014-08-28 00:53 <AllenKerensky> and now you have the link too
2014-08-28 00:54 <AllenKerensky> and that's a good suggestion lkalif - you should make it to the OSG admins in the osgrid IRC support channel
2014-08-28 00:59 <lkalif> I will contact you if I need another explanation what OSGrid and OpenSim are
2014-08-28 01:06 <AllenKerensky> couldn't resist one more attempt at a cutting remark eh? nice. classy. pointless.
2014-08-28 01:06 <AllenKerensky> having a hard time picking which flame warrior category best fits you http://flamewarriorsguide.com/
2014-08-28 01:29 <dahlia> I agree the downtime of osgrid doesnt look good and could cast negativity towards opensim, but... it's really in the hands of the server admins. We can benefit from this by using it as a learning experience and perhaps using what is learned to help steer the technology forward.
2014-08-28 01:30 <MarcusLlew> Yay! Failure as learning experience. Everyone's favorite. ;)
2014-08-28 01:31 <lkalif> dahlia: that is what I was trying to convey
2014-08-28 01:32 <dahlia> 
ACTION charges a OS$10 interpretation fee...

2014-08-28 01:32 <lkalif> it's wasted
2014-08-28 01:33 <lkalif> I got a lecture on what things are instead
2014-08-28 01:34 <AllenKerensky> you got the reply you deserved
2014-08-28 01:34 <AllenKerensky> you want to be snarky - fine - just don't get upset when you aren't the only one
2014-08-28 01:34 <lkalif> Explain to me again, what OSGrid and OpenSim are
2014-08-28 01:34 <lkalif> You do it so well
2014-08-28 01:34 <AllenKerensky> lern2google
2014-08-28 01:35 <AllenKerensky> scrollback and read your first comment which was less than noble than you're trying to make out now
2014-08-28 01:37 <AllenKerensky> but as usual, anyone who did not instantly agree with you had to be Made An Example Of - but not all of us blissfully stand for it
2014-08-28 01:38 <lkalif> Let us sing now, OSGrid is...
2014-08-28 01:38 <AllenKerensky> on another IRC channel
2014-08-28 01:40 <dahlia> osgrid is really independant of opensim. They let us use it to test things and even let us peek at the consoles to help debug stuff... but it's really an separate entity
2014-08-28 01:41 <lkalif> I thought @osgrid acct was nebadon or danbanner here?
2014-08-28 01:41 <dahlia> and it was a hardware failure
2014-08-28 01:41 <lkalif> the twitter one
2014-08-28 01:41 <AllenKerensky> and its never been advertised to me, or anyone else I've seen that it was production, live, residential grid with an SLA
2014-08-28 01:41 <dahlia> nebadon isnt really involved with osgrid much any more, if at all
2014-08-28 01:42 <AllenKerensky> so - anyone expecting it to be more than what it is - is just being wishful and banking on the fact that the OSG folks do a good job
2014-08-28 01:42 <dahlia> well I kinda agree that it doesnt look good and it has caused me quite a bit of inconvenience
2014-08-28 01:43 <lkalif> AllenKerensky: you are now on my ignore list, so save your breath if you think i'd be reading your crap anymore
2014-08-28 01:43 <dahlia> but, doesnt seem to be anything I can do
2014-08-28 01:43 <AllenKerensky> and nowhere did I saw it wasn't awful - but I had a lot of nonsense dumped in my direction as if I had
2014-08-28 01:43 <AllenKerensky> yay - if I am on the ignore list then maybe he will stop casting his trollish nonsense in my direction
2014-08-28 01:44 <lkalif> dahlia: it's always the question about money, volunteer projects get precious little resources
2014-08-28 01:44 <AllenKerensky> yeah that's the real thing dahlia - we're all just waiting to see what the recovery service can do
2014-08-28 01:44 <lkalif> and there is nothing we can do about it
2014-08-28 01:45 <dahlia> I suspect that even if it cant be restored that it will live on in one form or another 
2014-08-28 01:45 <AllenKerensky> people can reload IARs and OARs and move on
2014-08-28 01:45 <dahlia> this could be a good thing
2014-08-28 01:45 <AllenKerensky> and more people will be running their own standalones and grids "just in case"
2014-08-28 01:45 <AllenKerensky> and maybe making more frequent backups
2014-08-28 01:45 <AllenKerensky> more hypergridders
2014-08-28 01:46 <lkalif> dahlia: You are an optimist if you think the demise of OSGrid could be a good thing
2014-08-28 01:47 <dahlia> I didnt say demise, I said "will live on"
2014-08-28 01:47 <AllenKerensky> 
ACTION grins

2014-08-28 01:47 <lkalif> if asset store is gone, then it's pretty much everything, isn't it?
2014-08-28 01:47 <dahlia> possibly in a less centralized form
2014-08-28 01:48 <dahlia> I suspect most assets still exist 
2014-08-28 01:48 <dahlia> oar files, caches... iar files
2014-08-28 01:48 <AllenKerensky> restore the last wright plaza OAR and half the assets return at once
2014-08-28 01:48 <dahlia> some of us do do backups :)
2014-08-28 01:49 <lkalif> I do backups religiously
2014-08-28 01:49 <lkalif> I won't lose stuff if osgrid asset server is never recovered
2014-08-28 01:49 <lkalif> but his is not about my sims, is about the perception OpenSim is getting out there
2014-08-28 01:50 <lkalif> I'm talking to people on SL, and get asked, "So OpenSim is dead, huh?"
2014-08-28 01:50 <BlueWall> The asset server is nothing to do with opensim
2014-08-28 01:50 <lkalif> BlueWall: you give me a lecture to now
2014-08-28 01:50 <lkalif> *sigh*
2014-08-28 01:51 <dahlia> lots of people in SL will use any excuse to diss opensim. been doing it since day one and they probably wont stop now
2014-08-28 01:51 <MarcusLlew> SL is disinformation central.
2014-08-28 01:51 <BlueWall> Apache, Ruby, SRAS, etc.
2014-08-28 01:51 <dahlia> they view opensim as a threat to their SL businesses and want it to stop
2014-08-28 01:51 <MarcusLlew> It was't even any of those. This was a hardware failure. No software is to blame, period.
2014-08-28 01:51 <AllenKerensky> yeah the buggy whip manufacturers had the same problem when cars came along
2014-08-28 01:52 <lkalif> SL lives on borowed time, they have bigger things to worry about
2014-08-28 01:53 <lkalif> I will repeat this one more time. I'm talking about the perception / reputation of OpenSim, and how that is linked to OSGrid, and how this outage makes it look bad
2014-08-28 01:54 <AllenKerensky> (he says now - initially it was to make a snarky comment about a 10 day memorial ... oops)
2014-08-28 01:54 <dahlia> and I'll repeat that it doesnt look good and that it's in the hands of the osgrid admins who are doing what they can to bring it back
2014-08-28 01:55 <dahlia> it's their grid, not ours
2014-08-28 01:55 <BlueWall> So, what is the resolution? Should OpenSim choose who to trust running the software and deny the rest?
2014-08-28 01:55 <dahlia> #osgrid
2014-08-28 01:56 <AllenKerensky> yeah and typically in SL and elsewhere, if I see someone confusing OpenSim with OSgrid, a single sentence can generally clear it up
2014-08-28 01:56 <AllenKerensky> just be careful to say OSgrid is one group of servers running OpenSim ... then lead on into "and you can run your own, and viewers have a dropdown with lots of grids, etc)
2014-08-28 01:56 <BlueWall> most people in SL don't even know about OpenSim or OSGrid.
2014-08-28 01:57 <AllenKerensky> its an easy mythperception to correct if someone sees it
2014-08-28 01:57 <AllenKerensky> yeah Bluewall but Lani, I, and others do maintain presence on many different places and its not hard to be specific and help people learn along
2014-08-28 01:58 <AllenKerensky> ultimately rather than trying to make a mountain out of a molehill - lkalif could have just asked the OSG folks to put up a clearer "OSG is down - here's many other OpenSims and grids to visit" page
2014-08-28 01:59 <lkalif> dahlia: you have to admit that osgrid has not been "just another grid" when it comes to opensim development, there was a significant overlap both in people and effort throughout history of both
2014-08-28 01:59 <AllenKerensky> or just link to the "how to hypergrid" page at hypergrid business or whatever
2014-08-28 02:00 <dahlia> lkalif: yes it has but I have no authority over the operation of osgrid. Ive offered a few suggestions in #osgrid and thats about all I can do
2014-08-28 02:01 <AllenKerensky> the age old conundrum: is OSG a test grid or a production/residential grid - its really one, but frequently mistaken for the other
2014-08-28 02:01 <AllenKerensky> and that's really a testament to how good the OSG folks do
2014-08-28 02:02 <AllenKerensky> hardware went foom, its bad luck, and its taking a bit to fix - but is it really "making OpenSim" look bad? if so - then folks aren't educating enough *grin*
2014-08-28 02:03 <AllenKerensky> even google has downtime - despite the relative difference in resources
2014-08-28 02:05 <AllenKerensky> and I think I have decided lkalif is probably Ferrous Cranus http://flamewarriorsguide.com/warriorshtm/ferouscranus.htm
2014-08-28 04:02 <nebadon> Misterblue_ i am firing up a region to test the bulletsim branch
2014-08-28 04:20 <nebadon> the region is at > http://grid.nebadon2025.com:8002 OKC World 03
2014-08-28 04:21 <nebadon> my racer seems to work, but man it really hits the CPU hard
2014-08-28 04:21 <nebadon> over 200% with just 1 racer
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2014-08-28 12:18 <osmantis> Bug #7311:04 osNpcMoveToTarget() gives runtime error if NPC is sitting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7311 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-08-28 12:29 <osmantis> Bug #7311:04 osNpcMoveToTarget() gives runtime error if NPC is sitting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7311 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-28 12:32 <osmantis> Bug #7311:04 osNpcMoveToTarget() gives runtime error if NPC is sitting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7311 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-28 13:35 <nebadon> http://conference.opensimulator.org/2014/opensimulator-community-conference-announces-high-fidelity-ceo-philip-rosedale-as-keynote-speaker/
2014-08-28 16:33 <magnetarian> Is there a guide or example to show me how to test openid authentication?  I've encountered type casting conversion error on Robust console just to get to the openidstreamhandler via entering http://localhost:8002/users/ on my browser. Can someone help?
2014-08-28 16:37 <magnetarian> I am running the latest 0.8 + wifi in Hypergrid mode on my Windows 7 64 bits..
2014-08-28 16:48 <AllenKerensky> magnetarian is this the error you're seeing? http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7301
2014-08-28 16:49 <magnetarian> yes
2014-08-28 16:51 <AllenKerensky> Bluewall lists it as resolved - but that may be a later git revision than what you are using
2014-08-28 16:52 <magnetarian> but I don't see error at opensim.exe?
2014-08-28 16:52 <magnetarian> Ok will try to get a later version and try again
2014-08-28 16:59 <magnetarian> Thanks, looks like Bluewall has fixed it in r/25109
2014-08-28 17:16 <AllenKerensky> welcome
2014-08-28 17:24 <osmantis> Bug #7311:04 osNpcMoveToTarget() gives runtime error if NPC is sitting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7311 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-28 17:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #3786 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-28 17:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3786: SUCCESS in 8 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3786/
2014-08-28 17:35 <osjenkins> jjustincc: On code section that rezzes single objects and attachments, reduce CPU use by reading asset XML a single time with a stream reader rather than multiple times.
2014-08-28 17:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #3787 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-28 17:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3787: SUCCESS in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3787/
2014-08-28 17:43 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Eliminate more unnecessary code copying individual parameters for Vector3 copying in Scene - this is not necessary as Vector3 is a value type
2014-08-28 17:44 <justincc> hi nebadon, are you around?
2014-08-28 17:51 <Plugh> I'm getting strange messages from Robust --> Login failed for Firstname Lastname, reason: Error authorizing agent: Unable to cast object of type 'System.Int32' to type 'System.Collections.Hashtable'.
2014-08-28 17:52 <Plugh> No one can log in to the grid. Viewer gets stuck at Connection to region...
2014-08-28 17:56 <justincc> you're running a remote authorization service?
2014-08-28 17:57 <Plugh> running a what?
2014-08-28 17:57 <Plugh> The grid config hasn't been changed between yesterday when we had people in the group at a bunch of events and now.
2014-08-28 17:57 <Plugh> s/group/grid/
2014-08-28 18:01 <justincc> simulator returns this message via robust.  I don't know why it will be triggering without more data, but i expect it can only be active if you have a remote auth service set up on the simulators, even if you don't know what that is
2014-08-28 18:01 <justincc> guess would be it can't contact said service for some reason
2014-08-28 18:02 <justincc> guess it might be an hg thing s well
2014-08-28 18:02 <justincc> as
2014-08-28 18:02 <justincc> or even primarily
2014-08-28 18:08 <magnetarian> Does opensim support openid authentication via public id provider like me.yahoo.com or google? What is the test scenario if I change OpenIDServerURL to 'me.yahoo.com'? I got a 404 from /users/first_last, and /openid/server does not redirect...
2014-08-28 18:10 <justincc> magnetarian: I don't believe opensim supports open id auth full stop.  I believe that any open id stuff that is around is to support other stuff like profiles though I could be wrong.  BlueWall would know much more
2014-08-28 18:11 <BlueWall> there is openid, and it should work.
2014-08-28 18:11 <justincc> ok, I'm wrong :)
2014-08-28 18:11 <BlueWall> The profiles reference to it is mainly something that would have supported we_profiles
2014-08-28 18:12 <BlueWall>  *web_profiles
2014-08-28 18:12 <justincc> BlueWall: so you could actually authenticate login via openid?
2014-08-28 18:12 <Plugh> That message went away after I restarted MySQL but I still can't login. It is a problem with the xmlrpc based groups system that prevents logins.
2014-08-28 18:12 <BlueWall> I have done it before, but forget how
2014-08-28 18:12 <magnetarian> So am I doing the right thing to change OpenIDServerURL to me.yahoo.com?
2014-08-28 18:12 <BlueWall> give me a few min and I'll see
2014-08-28 18:12 <magnetarian> thanks
2014-08-28 18:13 <justincc> googling doesn't turn up much, some 'proposal pages' but also an old mailing list text http://opensimulator.org/pipermail/opensim-users/2012-February/009296.html
2014-08-28 18:13 <BlueWall> justincc, I plan tpo pull that profiles stuff out of the ini before the next release if there are none using it, and since it needs custom viewer support, I dubt there are any.
2014-08-28 18:13 <justincc> BlueWall: ok, cool
2014-08-28 18:14 <justincc> I anticipate next release being shortly after oscc, depending on how many issues need to be addressed
2014-08-28 18:14 <magnetarian> We are trying to develop WebGL viewer, and will benifit from openid auth greately.
2014-08-28 18:14 <BlueWall> I was working on viewer support when LL pulled the loginuri out for their viewer
2014-08-28 18:15 <BlueWall> magnetarian, are you using openid 2?
2014-08-28 18:15 <justincc> magnetarian: if you're doing that and not geting answers here, you jmight want to try posting to the list, since there has been recent interesting in this area (as you might knwo)
2014-08-28 18:16 <magnetarian> Well, I am just try to connect via Yahoo's openid implementation. They probably use openid 2, I don't know
2014-08-28 18:17 <osmantis> Bug #7311:04 osNpcMoveToTarget() gives runtime error if NPC is sitting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7311 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-08-28 18:17 <nebadon> justincc i am around for about 10 more minutes
2014-08-28 18:17 <nebadon> what up?
2014-08-28 18:17 <nebadon> i will be back before meeting though, i have to run over to Philadelphia 
2014-08-28 18:18 <Plugh> I'm down to an issue with groups. I've had that happen before. When something goes wrong with groups you can't log in to the grid.
2014-08-28 18:18 <BlueWall> Yahoo meets OpenID
2014-08-28 18:18 <BlueWall> Log in to websites with your Yahoo account
2014-08-28 18:19 <BlueWall> magnetarian, are you trying that? You want to login to OpenSim with your Yahoo account?
2014-08-28 18:19 <magnetarian> Yes, I thought opensim can run as a relying party to yahoo id provider.\
2014-08-28 18:20 <BlueWall> I have only use OpenSim as a provider
2014-08-28 18:20 <Plugh> Nope. That cast issue is back. 
2014-08-28 18:20 <Plugh> grrr
2014-08-28 18:20 <BlueWall> not sure if support is there for going the other way
2014-08-28 18:20 <magnetarian> I see, so the IP has to be implemented in opensim?
2014-08-28 18:21 <magnetarian> I mean IDp Identity provider.
2014-08-28 18:21 <BlueWall> I suppose so, everything revolves around the user uuid
2014-08-28 18:22 <BlueWall> are you thinking about some tourist mode w/o real accounts?
2014-08-28 18:22 <magnetarian> So OpenIDServerURL won't work with Robust IP... 
2014-08-28 18:23 <justincc> nebadon: no super rush, but if you could update oscc when you can that would be great
2014-08-28 18:23 <justincc> nebadon: I want to see how much things are improved
2014-08-28 18:25 <magnetarian> The idea is to have people register with their social provider and link to their opensim account like kitely, but instead of launching external desktop viewer, it just goes to webgl page
2014-08-28 18:25 <justincc> nebadon: then when possible do a test with your many more bots.  I've been working so far on the dleay with just one of your big attachment sets, which is detectable just in itself
2014-08-28 18:25 <BlueWall> justincc/nebadon I found the inventory issue was a mis-config on my end with the hgassets url
2014-08-28 18:25 <justincc> BlueWall: ok, will be good to see if that improves matters.  But OpenSimulator needs to guard against such problems as well
2014-08-28 18:25 <justincc> definitely the inventory delete/take copy path needs work
2014-08-28 18:25 <BlueWall> yes
2014-08-28 18:25 <BlueWall> we should drop an un-ack request pretty fast and blacklist it?
2014-08-28 18:26 <justincc> that could be a good option, maybe simpler than trying to change things so that one bad request can't block everything else, though that might still be necessary too
2014-08-28 18:26 <BlueWall> magnetarian, Would OAuth2 work?
2014-08-28 18:26 <justincc> need console commands and stuff to also detect what has been blacklisted, etc.
2014-08-28 18:26 <justincc> idelaly
2014-08-28 18:26 <BlueWall> justincc++
2014-08-28 18:26 <magnetarian> Yes, we would prefer OAuth 2
2014-08-28 18:28 <BlueWall> if we did work on something like that, OAuth2 would be the only thing worth putting the effort into.
2014-08-28 18:29 <BlueWall> the OpenID stuff is old.
2014-08-28 18:29 <magnetarian> Rosedale's High Fidelity project also use OAuth 2, we can have some common identity management with OAuth2 
2014-08-28 18:31 <BlueWall> also service accounts and bearer tokens would be useful to secure api within the servers
2014-08-28 18:32 <magnetarian> yes, that would be great
2014-08-28 18:35 <BlueWall> I'm not sure what the viewer web authentication is about, did you look into that?
2014-08-28 18:37 <Plugh> I've just disabled xmlrpc groups and logins work but without any group operations availale.
2014-08-28 18:39 <magnetarian> Currently we are using websocket login at 0.8 to authenticatie users, I just though maybe theres a better way to integrate the opensim backend as OpenConnect 2.0 (Oauth2) relying party to do authorization and authnetication. The web implementation is served by Robust just like diva's wifi
2014-08-28 20:02 <[1]TBG> hi guys, any core devs around that may be able to answer a simple question? if they have the answer all the better :)
2014-08-28 20:03 <justinccAfk> I'm distracted but might be able to help
2014-08-28 20:07 <[1]TBG> hi Justin, no problem.. it's to do with llInstantMessage... whilst making a bot program (namely on the SL grid) with libomv, I've noticed a diffrerence... on the sl grid, when an object sends an im, it uses the owners key as the originating ID, but on opensim, it's the object key. Was this by design or something just missed. I changed it within opensim to provide the owner key, and object IMs still work fine. Would th
2014-08-28 20:07 <[1]TBG> sorry it's bloody long :)
2014-08-28 20:51 <justinccAfk> [1]TBG: I have a feeling it's yet another of thse random screw ups, which may or may not be relied upon now by other opensim logic
2014-08-28 21:15 <[1]TBG> thanks for the that Justin, the code does look like more of a copy & paste just to get it working, going to investigate if it is required within opensim itself. Just don't want to change something that could throw me a nice headache :)
2014-08-28 21:15 <[1]TBG> typos lol
2014-08-28 21:24 <dahlia> one thing I always hated in SL is if I muted an object then I also muted the owner
2014-08-28 21:25 <dahlia> so then the owner couldnt converse with me
2014-08-28 21:25 <dahlia> 
ACTION suspect that was a design oversight on LL's part...

2014-08-28 21:37 <[1]TBG> I see your point there Dahlia, and it's a good one at that, having to trawl through a block list because of the owner can be a waste of time.
2014-08-28 21:39 <Plugh> Sounds like something that should be fixed.
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2014-08-29 14:57 <NickyP> can someone recommend an alternate to dyndns?
2014-08-29 15:04 <AllenKerensky> no-ip.biz is one
2014-08-29 15:04 <AllenKerensky> but you have to answer a monthly "are you still using this" email with a captcha
2014-08-29 15:05 <AllenKerensky> if you can stand that - go for it
2014-08-29 15:05 <AllenKerensky> and be aware that Microsoft may randomly seize your domain because they can't write software - so they blame no-ip users for exploiting their swiss cheese code
2014-08-29 15:17 <BlueWall> make
2014-08-29 15:17 <BlueWall> love not war
2014-08-29 15:20 <AllenKerensky> i love Microsoft ...
2014-08-29 15:20 <AllenKerensky> ... Microsoft BASIC 1975-1978 - everything else they've done since has been downhill
2014-08-29 15:25 <Plugh> :)
2014-08-29 15:27 <AllenKerensky> Kriswell predicts: to stay relevant, Microsoft will buy SecondLife and repurpose the viewer as a new Microsoft Bob interface pointing into MS-Cloud3D
2014-08-29 15:28 <BlueWall> That or take a trip down to the rock quarry to get some new tires for the company car
2014-08-29 15:30 <AllenKerensky> you know - microsoft bob is why I stopped running windows
2014-08-29 15:30 <AllenKerensky> they discontinued bob rather than finishing it - and left us with the brain killing grey rectangles of doom
2014-08-29 15:30 <Plugh> Really? I thought Bob only appeared in MS Word.
2014-08-29 15:31 <AllenKerensky> nope was a standalone desktop - when it was killed, Rover and Clippy and such moved into other office products
2014-08-29 15:32 <Plugh> oh, Clippy was the MS Word thing. I don't think I ran a version of Windows that had Bob.
2014-08-29 15:33 <AllenKerensky> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob
2014-08-29 15:34 <AllenKerensky> i still have a working install in WINE heh
2014-08-29 15:35 <AllenKerensky> a good overview of the UI is here http://toastytech.com/guis/bob.html
2014-08-29 15:35 <AllenKerensky> now imagine that with today's DirectX/GPUs and something like OpenSim as the backend service providers
2014-08-29 15:36 <Plugh> I used to run 95 but I don't remember Bob.
2014-08-29 15:40 <Plugh> I'm watching a video of Bob in action. Holy cow. My initial reaction is it might be great for a machine used by young kids.
2014-08-29 15:40 <AllenKerensky> that too
2014-08-29 15:40 <H-H-H> after you have paid the 45 million $ fee to microsoft lol
2014-08-29 15:41 <AllenKerensky> or as any generalized "beginner UI"
2014-08-29 15:42 <AllenKerensky> and the 3DNA UI was sort of a step past Bob and more toward what I was talking about: http://toastytech.com/guis/3dna3.html
2014-08-29 15:43 <AllenKerensky> oops you will have to go back to the first page from that one
2014-08-29 15:51 <Plugh> The 3DNA UI looks a lot better than Bob.
2014-08-29 15:51 <Plugh> Still not sure if I'd want to use it.
2014-08-29 15:52 <AllenKerensky> you and everyone else
2014-08-29 15:52 <AllenKerensky> in fact, with win 7/8 it seems people are going even further back away from 3D
2014-08-29 15:53 <AllenKerensky> UI regression
2014-08-29 15:53 <Plugh> In various futuristic SF movies a version of a 3D UI is often seen.
2014-08-29 15:56 <AllenKerensky> yep - and we have the technology
2014-08-29 15:56 <AllenKerensky> just not the appetite it seems
2014-08-29 15:56 <AllenKerensky> can say the same for virtual worlds - people flooded to SL - then back out again to Facebook
2014-08-29 15:56 <AllenKerensky> people seem to prefer the 2D
2014-08-29 15:57 <Plugh> Yes. Then came is Windows 8. :)
2014-08-29 15:57 <AllenKerensky> the MMO/FPS crowd prefers the 3D - but only for the game worlds/content
2014-08-29 15:57 <Plugh> s/is//
2014-08-29 15:58 <AllenKerensky> yeah win 7 is going to be the next XP - everyone will have to be forced off of 7 at some point in the future
2014-08-29 16:31 <zadark> Looks like opensimulator.org (viewgit) could do with a few drops of oil on the old bike chain. Very slow.
2014-08-29 17:05 <justincc> hi nebadon, are you around?
2014-08-29 17:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #3788 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-29 17:08 <nebadon> hey justincc
2014-08-29 17:09 <justincc> nebadon: can we update oscc today?
2014-08-29 17:09 <nebadon> ya
2014-08-29 17:09 <nebadon> i was actually getting ready soon to do that
2014-08-29 17:10 <justincc> thanks
2014-08-29 17:10 <nebadon> you wanted master git now right?
2014-08-29 17:10 <justincc> yes please
2014-08-29 17:11 <nebadon> k
2014-08-29 17:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3788: FAILURE in 4 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3788/
2014-08-29 17:11 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add regression test for deserializing xml objects with more than one non-root part.
2014-08-29 17:13 <justincc> nebadon: hold on a moment, I need to work out why this just happened
2014-08-29 17:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #3789 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #3787 23 hr ago)
2014-08-29 17:18 <nebadon> doh
2014-08-29 17:18 <nebadon> ok
2014-08-29 17:18 <justincc> actually it's probably ok, I expect this to be a failure in test code, not actual code
2014-08-29 17:19 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2014-08-29 17:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3789: FIXED in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3789/
2014-08-29 17:19 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix recent regression test TestDeserializeXmlObjectWithOtherParts() which was not meant to indent the input xml
2014-08-29 17:27 <zadark> justin the following exceptions when rezzing a multipart box (avatar kit) http://pastebin.com/EdYFCgVf
2014-08-29 17:30 <justincc> zadark: is this an item that you'hve had for a while?
2014-08-29 17:30 <zadark> Yes
2014-08-29 17:30 <zadark> At least 1 year
2014-08-29 17:31 <zadark> Copied to the test avi from a region with have with free stuff
2014-08-29 17:31 <nebadon> lol pastebin is showing me a picture of a cat typing on a laptop
2014-08-29 17:31 <nebadon> astebin.com is under heavy load right now :(
2014-08-29 17:31 <justincc> zadark: is it something where you would be okay with sending me the asset data for inspection?
2014-08-29 17:32 <justincc> altough then the challenge is find out the asset id
2014-08-29 17:32 <zadark> Maybe, give me a few
2014-08-29 17:33 <justincc> zadark: this is a single linkset?
2014-08-29 17:33 <zadark> There is aditional info, I did not include in the pastebin.. one moment
2014-08-29 17:34 <nebadon> justincc ok grid is updated and restarted
2014-08-29 17:34 <nebadon> took me a minute because i was making oars of some of the regions the builders are working on
2014-08-29 17:35 <justincc> nebadon: er I probably should have told you to wait, there may be an issue here atm with rezzing certain stuff
2014-08-29 17:35 <nebadon> ya
2014-08-29 17:35 <nebadon> look on screen -x 04
2014-08-29 17:35 <nebadon> standbox
2014-08-29 17:35 <nebadon> errr
2014-08-29 17:35 <nebadon> sandbox
2014-08-29 17:35 <nebadon> tab 6
2014-08-29 17:35 <nebadon> there are serializer errors
2014-08-29 17:35 <nebadon> wierd
2014-08-29 17:36 <nebadon> may be unrelated to anything your doing though
2014-08-29 17:36 <justincc> no, it probably is related
2014-08-29 17:36 <nebadon> pretty sure its the only region to do this, and considering its the sandbox, high probablity of broken objects
2014-08-29 17:36 <zadark> This includes an HGScene tag, not included.  http://pastebin.com/WstHeTKV
2014-08-29 17:36 <nebadon> ah ok
2014-08-29 17:37 <justincc> nebadon: I presume those errors are new?
2014-08-29 17:40 <justincc> ok, I think I know the probable issue. Please give me a while to work this through
2014-08-29 17:41 <justincc> though the issues on sandbox are still unexpected and I would like to know if they occured previously.  It looks like there are scene object parts with idential UUIDs
2014-08-29 17:45 <zadark> This is the container as listed in the database (SQLLIte)  The box has contents, not part of a link set afaik. http://pastebin.com/p6rzUD6r
2014-08-29 17:51 <zadark> 
ACTION making tea

2014-08-29 17:53 <justincc> zadark: thats inthe asset table?
2014-08-29 17:54 <zadark> yes, just trying to give you the inventory table bit, but pastbin busy
2014-08-29 17:55 <justincc> what I need is the asset dXML umped from opensim via the "dump asset <id>" command
2014-08-29 17:55 <zadark> her is the inventory table entry http://pastebin.com/9YpPf3XS
2014-08-29 17:56 <zadark> ok, one sec
2014-08-29 17:58 <zadark> dump asset : File f1f3884c-9d16-46ef-8d6f-09716cdd93b2 already exists.  Please move or remove it. where is the file?
2014-08-29 17:59 <justincc> in your bin/
2014-08-29 18:01 <LiruCookies> Does opensim use http texture fetch?
2014-08-29 18:01 <justincc> yes
2014-08-29 18:01 <LiruCookies> Thought so
2014-08-29 18:03 <zadark> justincc: http://pastebin.com/ypftRhfT
2014-08-29 18:03 <justincc> zadark: is that what it looked like straight out of the dump or did you format it?
2014-08-29 18:04 <justincc> mm, almost certainly formatted because opensim isn't nice enough to make it a properly formed xml doc with the <?xml at the top
2014-08-29 18:05 <zadark> that is the actual file opened in notepad++ copied and pasted to pastebin.. notepad++ formating, will look using textpad
2014-08-29 18:05 <justincc> yes, I believe notepad++ may have formatted it
2014-08-29 18:05 <zadark> looks the same in textpad
2014-08-29 18:06 <justincc> curious
2014-08-29 18:06 <justincc> anyway, I can try it quickly to see if it now passes formatting with my local changes
2014-08-29 18:06 <justincc> hodl on
2014-08-29 18:11 <zadark> This seems to be the issue starting in HGScene CreatorID: 'Element' is an invalid XmlNodeType. Line 7, position 10.   at System.Xml.XmlReader.ReadEndElement()
2014-08-29 18:12 <zadark> which is <UUID>926e25e2-f6cd-4388-aad6-5f6d795e0f81</UUID>
2014-08-29 18:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #3790 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2014-08-29 18:13 <justincc> zadark: ok, please try that.  It does parse that asset when I embed it in the test code though I haven't gone back and tried it before the change (which I will do now)
2014-08-29 18:13 <zadark> just pulled
2014-08-29 18:14 <zadark> sounds like a date lol
2014-08-29 18:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3790: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3790/
2014-08-29 18:17 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Ignore whitespace when reading serialized XML objects.
2014-08-29 18:17 <justincc> ok good, at least on my local test I see the same failure that you did when I go back to older code but not with the latest change
2014-08-29 18:17 <zadark> Rezzed without issue, so far looks good
2014-08-29 18:19 <zadark> OPened and imported to inventory ok, says notecard not found, have no history to judge that by
2014-08-29 18:24 <justincc> nebadon: could you update oscc again?
2014-08-29 18:24 <nebadon> sure
2014-08-29 18:27 <justincc> ok, sandbox didn't throw errors this time
2014-08-29 18:27 <nebadon> yea
2014-08-29 18:27 <nebadon> looks better
2014-08-29 18:28 <nebadon> justin ping
2014-08-29 18:29 <nebadon> keynotes aremt restart yet
2014-08-29 18:29 <nebadon> hold on
2014-08-29 18:29 <nebadon> justincc
2014-08-29 18:29 <justincc> nebadon: ?
2014-08-29 18:29 <nebadon> i did 04 screen first
2014-08-29 18:29 <nebadon> to see if error went away
2014-08-29 18:29 <justincc> ok, no worries, please restart them
2014-08-29 18:29 <nebadon> k
2014-08-29 18:29 <nebadon> i was only saying it because you are logged  in
2014-08-29 18:30 <justincc> yeah, keen to try out this change :)
2014-08-29 18:32 <nebadon> ok they are ready
2014-08-29 18:32 <justincc> ok, looks good.  Whereas before with one of your big avs I was seeing delays, vastly less today and practically nothing when I turn on timer updating
2014-08-29 18:33 <justincc> nebadon: when you get a chance, could you do your log in lots of avatars to keynote 1 test again?
2014-08-29 18:34 <nebadon> ya give me a few
2014-08-29 18:34 <justincc> great, let me know when you're ready
2014-08-29 18:35 <nebadon> 20 enough?
2014-08-29 18:35 <justincc> it will be enough for me to tell what the current delay is
2014-08-29 18:35 <nebadon> ok 
2014-08-29 18:36 <nebadon> ready?
2014-08-29 18:36 <justincc> but there are at least 2 source here.  THere will still be isssues on first moving about for the loggin gin avatar
2014-08-29 18:36 <justincc> yes
2014-08-29 18:36 <justincc> er issues, not source
2014-08-29 18:39 <nebadon> ok here goes justincc
2014-08-29 18:41 <justincc> how many?
2014-08-29 18:41 <nebadon> 20
2014-08-29 18:41 <nebadon> done
2014-08-29 18:42 <justincc> ok, so doing the unscientific walking around test, very little deviation from frame time until the 18th/19tjh login, when there was a bit of lag
2014-08-29 18:42 <justincc> other than that, walking around was smooth throughout the login process
2014-08-29 18:42 <nebadon> great
2014-08-29 18:42 <justincc> though osme of your avatars are clouds to me
2014-08-29 18:42 <nebadon> huh
2014-08-29 18:42 <nebadon> thats not good
2014-08-29 18:42 <nebadon> let me look
2014-08-29 18:42 <justincc> k
2014-08-29 18:43 <justincc> could be just me
2014-08-29 19:54 <dahlia> so philip is speaking at oscc? did the oculus guy back out?
2014-08-29 19:57 <justincc> they're both speaking
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2014-08-29 22:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #3791 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-29 22:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3791: SUCCESS in 3 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3791/
2014-08-29 22:49 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Implement STATUS_BLOCK_GRAB_OBJECT in llSetStatus()/llGetStatus() and correct effect of STATUS_BLOCK_GRAB
2014-08-29 22:57 <osmantis> Bug #7289:04 Login more than 11 avatars cause ruthed avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7289 ): requires your FEEDBACK.
2014-08-29 23:06 <osmantis> Bug #7309:04 STATUS_BLOCK_GRAB_OBJECT not implemented? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7309 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-08-29 23:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #3792 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-29 23:27 <osmantis> Bug #7298:04 Position of moved avatar incorrect in child prims. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7298 ): has been CLOSED
2014-08-29 23:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3792: SUCCESS in 3 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3792/
2014-08-29 23:31 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix issue where moving a seated avatar would not adjust their subsequent stand position.
2014-08-29 23:31 <osmantis> Bug #7299:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams* functionality differs from SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7299 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-08-29 23:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #3793 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-08-29 23:58 <osjenkins> jjustincc: As per the LL grid, for attachments make llGetObjectDetails() OBJECT_ROT return the avatar's rotation.
2014-08-29 23:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #3794 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-30 00:02 <justinccAfk> nebadon: still around?
2014-08-30 00:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3794: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3794/
2014-08-30 00:02 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: fix wrong indentation in previous commit 0cc3cd
2014-08-30 00:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #3795 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-08-30 00:06 <osjenkins> jjustincc: As per the LL grid, for attachments make llGetObjectDetails() OBJECT_VELOCITY return the avatar's velocity and not always Vector3.Zero.
2014-08-30 00:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #3796 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-08-30 00:14 <osmantis> Bug #7304:04 llTargetOmega not implemented for Physical object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7304 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2014-08-30 00:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3796: SUCCESS in 3 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3796/
2014-08-30 00:15 <osjenkins> jjustincc: As per the LL grid, if an avatar is sitting then return it's velocity relative to the region rather than relative to its seat.
2014-08-30 00:17 <osmantis> Bug #7177:04 [SCRIPT] llGetObjectDetails() don't work with HUD 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7177 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-08-30 00:18 <osmantis> Bug #7175:04 [SCRIPT] llGetVel() don't work with HUD + Vehicle 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7175 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-08-30 00:23 <djphil__> heh , tyvm jcc :)
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2014-08-30 15:34 <Misterblue> all that is bringing the bullet-2.82 branch up to 'master'... no functional changes
2014-08-30 15:35 <zadark> == Misterblue
2014-08-30 15:36 <Misterblue> 
ACTION trying to get BulletSim to build on OSX... a new environment with new library madness

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2014-08-31 00:03 <vegaslon> anyone tried cars in bullet-2.82?
2014-08-31 00:22 <vegaslon> ok justins last commit has broke the camera on vehicles
2014-08-31 00:29 <danbanner> oops
2014-08-31 00:35 <vegaslon> looks like sending the velocity twice to the veiwer
2014-08-31 07:42 <osmantis> Bug #7289:04 Login more than 11 avatars cause ruthed avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7289 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-08-31 23:58 <AliciaRaven2> nebadon, u there?
2014-09-01 00:59 <AllenKerensky> okay this is new - "Slow SynchronousRestForms request ##### POST to <uri>:8003/xinventory took <many seconds> METHOD=GETITEM&ID=<uuid>
2014-09-01 01:00 <AllenKerensky> anyone seen that before - when making a notecard on a grid/HG
2014-09-01 01:06 <AllenKerensky> well after a sim restart, it seems okay now - must have been something with creating a group or editing userprofile
2014-09-01 01:08 <H-H-H> i see it sometimes when first starting a grid with a heavy loaded region even though robust and sim are on same machine
2014-09-01 01:10 <AllenKerensky> okay so at least its not me - thanks H-H-H
2014-09-01 01:11 <H-H-H> i just put it down to the fact that i run everything on one machine so i kind of expect it to be a little slow sometimes lol
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2014-09-01 10:19 <AliciaRaven2> AllenKerensky, im getting alot of those slow request warnings aswell, had them before but not as oftern as recently
2014-09-01 21:10 <Plugh> What can cause a low region FPS number other than physical objects in the region?
2014-09-01 21:10 <nebadon> script probably can
2014-09-01 21:10 <Plugh> Most regions I have are at 50+ but one is at 45 with 0 for PhysMS.
2014-09-01 21:10 <nebadon> oh its physics showing 0 only?
2014-09-01 21:11 <Plugh> AtvScr of 1002 and ScrLPS of 354
2014-09-01 21:11 <Plugh> PhysMS of 0 but SimFPS and PhysFPS are both around 45.
2014-09-01 21:12 <Plugh> ScrLPS is bouncing around between 300 and 412 (or thereabouts)
2014-09-01 21:12 <nebadon> hmm maybe a vehicle way off the edge of the simulator
2014-09-01 21:12 <nebadon> there is a command
2014-09-01 21:12 <nebadon> like delete object outside
2014-09-01 21:12 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-09-01 21:12 <Plugh> I have used it before. I'll try that.
2014-09-01 21:14 <Plugh> no objects outside bounds.
2014-09-01 21:16 <nebadon> maybe check database for objects at extreme z coordiantes
2014-09-01 21:16 <nebadon> also look for objects with velocty != 0
2014-09-01 21:20 <Plugh> ok, ty. I'll check those items.
2014-09-01 21:21 <Plugh> btw, it is bit 0 that indicates physical object in the primitems flags field?
2014-09-01 21:57 <Plugh> Hm... I think it is ObjectFlags & 1 in prims table.
2014-09-01 21:57 <Plugh> nebadon: I found 3 items that have VelocityZ != 0 located at 0,0,0 in the region.
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2014-09-01 23:03 <Plugh> nebadon, that helped. Found three physical objects that had negative velocities. Removing them brought the FPS of the region from 45 to 52.
2014-09-01 23:04 <Plugh> Still dealing with problems in two other regions (one being a var).
2014-09-01 23:04 <Plugh> bbl. dinner time.
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2014-09-02 00:36 <nebadon> Plugh, Great
2014-09-02 00:36 <nebadon> i figured it was something like that
2014-09-02 00:37 <Plugh> I've deleted objects outside region, all objects near 0,0,0 and removed physical bit from setting of some objects.
2014-09-02 00:39 <Plugh> The 10x10 var is still running with FPS of around 45
2014-09-02 00:39 <Plugh> That may be due to 145,254 objects and 27,030 active scripts.k
2014-09-02 00:39 <nebadon> probably
2014-09-02 00:40 <nebadon> i would suggest that in those regions
2014-09-02 00:40 <nebadon> they make as much stuff phantom as possible
2014-09-02 00:40 <nebadon> replace complex objects with just an invisible cube when possible
2014-09-02 00:40 <nebadon> try to make torus phantom whenever possible
2014-09-02 00:40 <Plugh> huh? If you replace a complex object with an invisible cube you won't see the object.
2014-09-02 00:41 <nebadon> no just physics wise
2014-09-02 00:41 <nebadon> make the complex object phantom
2014-09-02 00:41 <nebadon> and put a invisible cube or basic shape over top of it
2014-09-02 00:41 <Plugh> oh. The cube prevents walking through the object while keeping physics simple?
2014-09-02 00:42 <nebadon> right
2014-09-02 00:42 <nebadon> i do that a lot in my big city models
2014-09-02 00:42 <nebadon> really complex buildings
2014-09-02 00:42 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-09-02 00:42 <nebadon> plants etc..
2014-09-02 00:42 <Plugh> Have a hotel in the one area. Can't make it phantom or you would fall through the floors.
2014-09-02 00:43 <nebadon> thats why you make basic cube floors etc..
2014-09-02 00:44 <nebadon> really depends on the complexity though
2014-09-02 00:44 <nebadon> it may be overkill to do that
2014-09-02 00:44 <nebadon> anything that an avatar wont interact or collide with should be made phantom 
2014-09-02 00:44 <nebadon> it will make a big difference when your in the 100k+ prim counts
2014-09-02 00:45 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-09-02 00:46 <Plugh> hm... PhysMS is still at 3.5 and I have no physical objects remaining in the region.
2014-09-02 00:46 <nebadon> your using bullet?
2014-09-02 00:48 <nebadon> 10x10 is really large
2014-09-02 00:48 <Plugh> yes
2014-09-02 00:48 <nebadon> honestly thats probably a bit beyond what is really wise
2014-09-02 00:48 <Plugh> I know. There is also a 12x12 but I don't know if it is populated.
2014-09-02 00:48 <nebadon> and your running bullet in seperate thread?
2014-09-02 00:49 <Plugh> I turned on Bullet. There is some other setting to make it run in separate thread?
2014-09-02 00:49 <nebadon> yes
2014-09-02 00:49 <nebadon> in [BulletSim]
2014-09-02 00:49 <nebadon> UseSeparatePhysicsThread = true
2014-09-02 00:49 <nebadon> also
2014-09-02 00:50 <nebadon> TerrainImplementation=0
2014-09-02 00:50 <nebadon> try adding those
2014-09-02 00:50 <nebadon> you might see some improvement
2014-09-02 00:51 <nebadon> bbiab I have to run to the store
2014-09-02 00:51 <Plugh> I'm just running with the default settings for Bullet.
2014-09-02 00:54 <Plugh> Terrain setting defaults to 0.
2014-09-02 00:59 <Plugh> ok, I've set it to use a separate thread. Just waiting for the region to reload.
2014-09-02 01:00 <Plugh> That seems to have helped. It is still loading but SimFPS is 52. PhysFPS is still around 45
2014-09-02 01:01 <Plugh> I think I could live with that.
2014-09-02 01:03 <Plugh> PhysMS has gone to 0.
2014-09-02 01:05 <nebadon> hmm
2014-09-02 01:05 <nebadon> but physics isnt breaking
2014-09-02 01:05 <nebadon> its just reporting
2014-09-02 01:05 <nebadon> maybe its just too much content
2014-09-02 01:05 <nebadon> it cant evalute all the content for each cycle
2014-09-02 01:06 <nebadon> maybe Misterblue or vegaslon will have more suggestions
2014-09-02 02:09 <smxy> Everyone seems to be going gor gigantic vars, ignoring the 1024x1024 reccommendation for the largest. And then they wonder why things don't perform well ...
2014-09-02 02:09 <smxy> going for*
2014-09-02 02:13 <Plugh> yea, they were told but they still insisted on going big.
2014-09-02 02:15 <smxy> Personally, I think 768 is the sweet spot.
2014-09-02 02:17 <dahlia> 1024 is a good size but I dont see any problem with going larger as long as prim count stays sane
2014-09-02 02:17 <dahlia> except for terrain download time
2014-09-02 02:18 <Plugh> dahlia, define sane. :)
2014-09-02 02:18 <dahlia> sane != 40k prims per 256x256 
2014-09-02 02:19 <dahlia> :P
2014-09-02 02:19 <Plugh> hehe
2014-09-02 02:20 <lkalif> I wouldn't go above 2048 in any case
2014-09-02 02:20 <lkalif> due to the way viewer stores the terrain
2014-09-02 02:20 <lkalif> (not very optimized, eating a lot of memory)
2014-09-02 02:20 <dahlia> like if you have a 4096^2 for a raceway that had maybe 10k prims total and uses a heightield for terrain collider
2014-09-02 02:21 <dahlia> why how does viewer store the terrain?
2014-09-02 02:22 <lkalif> it stores the whole region terrain and never releases any patches of the current region
2014-09-02 02:22 <dahlia> as a vbo?
2014-09-02 02:22 <lkalif> I don't remember the details
2014-09-02 02:23 <lkalif> but 8k region will pretty much use all 32 bit memory
2014-09-02 02:23 <lkalif> rev tried 16k region, was never able to login, insta-crash
2014-09-02 02:23 <dahlia> sounds like viewer terrain needs some rework :P
2014-09-02 02:24 <lkalif> yes 
2014-09-02 02:24 <lkalif> but it the meanwhile, i wouldn't make regions more than 2048 just because of this
2014-09-02 02:25 <lkalif> more performant yet, 1024
2014-09-02 02:25 <dahlia> my biggest is 1024 but I know people make megas a lot larger
2014-09-02 02:25 <dahlia> a *lot* larger
2014-09-02 02:26 <lkalif> you cannot go above 8k anyway
2014-09-02 02:26 <dahlia> megas
2014-09-02 02:26 <dahlia> not vars
2014-09-02 02:26 <lkalif> ah
2014-09-02 02:40 <smxy> Are megas still fully functional? I thought the var code partly broke them.
2014-09-02 03:18 <dahlia> smxy: I think they still work with ode
2014-09-02 03:18 <dahlia> not positice
2014-09-02 03:18 <dahlia> positive
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2014-09-02 16:21 <osmantis> Bug #7118:04 sending keystrokes or other simple messages to server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7118 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-02 17:39 <justincc> nebadon: alright, pls update with ghosts.  That's going to be it now
2014-09-02 17:41 <nebadon> you want me to switch to ghosts?
2014-09-02 17:41 <justincc> yes pls.  The only diff is the one to disable av to av collisions but I think it's worth having if it's not too bad to switch
2014-09-02 17:41 <nebadon> ok
2014-09-02 17:51 <nebadon> ok updated
2014-09-02 17:51 <justincc> thanks
2014-09-02 19:04 <nebadon> hmm major lag justincc
2014-09-02 19:07 <justincc> yes I see, switching to sleep updates again
2014-09-02 19:16 <H-H-H> anyone got an idea why this seems to be popping up now running yesterdays master ?20:14:54 - [USER AGENT CONNECTOR]: remote call to http://homeofhippo.duckdns.org:9000/ for GetBoolResponse returned an error: Requested method [logout_agent] not found
2014-09-02 19:16 <H-H-H> after loging in and HG out and then back then loging off
2014-09-02 19:47 <Plugh> nebadon, justincc: FYI, a grid I'm in did a test one time where they rezzed 270 NPC's in a single region. It didn't crash or have problems until they went to drez the items.
2014-09-02 19:47 <Plugh> s/items/NPCs/
2014-09-02 19:49 <nebadon> wierd
2014-09-02 19:50 <Plugh> I wasn't around for the test so not sure what issues there were during de-rez.
2014-09-02 19:51 <nebadon> npcs shouldnt be too bad with derez
2014-09-02 19:51 <nebadon> not compared to a real avatar anyway
2014-09-02 19:52 <Plugh> Just got the update. The person running the test crashed and they had to restart the region to get rid of the bots. :)
2014-09-02 19:52 <Plugh> s/bots/NPCs/
2014-09-02 19:53 <Plugh> The console indicated it was trying to log them out all at once.
2014-09-02 20:00 <nebadon> were they client bots or npcs?
2014-09-02 20:00 <nebadon> sounds like client bots
2014-09-02 20:00 <nebadon> crashing in that case is less suprrsing
2014-09-02 20:00 <nebadon> crashing with npcs would suprise me
2014-09-02 20:15 <Plugh> they were NPCs
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2014-09-02 22:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #3797 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-09-02 22:47 <justincc> vegaslon: ok, that should fix the regression
2014-09-02 22:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3797: SUCCESS in 8 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3797/
2014-09-02 22:48 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix recent regression from 473c5594 where camera started to judder on moving vehicles.
2014-09-02 23:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #3798 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-09-02 23:28 <justincc> nebadon: if you get an opportunity, please update oscc with latest ghosts.  This now has a switch to completely disable region crossings
2014-09-02 23:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3798: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3798/
2014-09-02 23:30 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add [EntityTransfer] AllowAvatarCrossing setting to determine whether avatars are allowed to cross regions at all.
2014-09-02 23:35 <diva_> ghost?
2014-09-02 23:36 <justincc> diva: branch name which contains a hack to stop av to av collisions on bullet
2014-09-02 23:36 <justincc> haven't had time yet to implement it as a proper config setting
2014-09-02 23:36 <lkalif> diva: opensim got possesed since you were absent :P
2014-09-02 23:37 <diva> :)
2014-09-02 23:37 <lkalif> osgird died... things go bad when we're divaless
2014-09-02 23:38 <diva> yeah in a setting like a conference, av to av collisions are totally unecessary
2014-09-02 23:38 <justincc> not sure diva's powers extend to preventing raid controller failures
2014-09-02 23:38 <diva> heheh
2014-09-02 23:38 <lkalif> justincc: Hey I read about Philip Linden keynoting on OSCC
2014-09-02 23:38 <diva> My super powers are limited to jinx my daughter's soccer games!
2014-09-02 23:38 <lkalif> justincc: it sure takes less than a month to recover from those
2014-09-02 23:39 <justincc> lkalif: yes, going to be intersting
2014-09-02 23:39 <diva> ++ justincc, take away those collisions as a config var
2014-09-02 23:40 <justincc> diva: yeah, doesn't seem to be a huge benefit but every little helps
2014-09-02 23:40 <lkalif> justincc: actually you could hook it up to "no push"
2014-09-02 23:40 <diva> how have we been doing in terms of CPU?
2014-09-02 23:40 <lkalif> that way, you set no push in the region control panel, and boom, no avatar-avatar collissions
2014-09-02 23:41 <lkalif> (unless no push is already hooked up for something)
2014-09-02 23:42 <justincc> according to stats CPU utilization is fine, which makes the current issues a bit of a puzzle
2014-09-02 23:42 <justincc> lkalif: that's an interesting idea, hadn't thought of that
2014-09-02 23:42 <lkalif> what's the current issue?
2014-09-02 23:42 <diva> what are the issues?
2014-09-02 23:42 <justincc> lkalif: I vaguely remember it wasn't implemented in ode so I'm not sure about bullet
2014-09-02 23:43 <justincc> the major one is pauses on user login, at least with real users.  frame times go high and mvmt becomes rough or very rough
2014-09-02 23:43 <diva> for everybody or just for the person logging in?
2014-09-02 23:43 <justincc> everybody
2014-09-02 23:44 <lkalif> sounds like lock contention
2014-09-02 23:44 <lkalif> if the cpu isn't getting high usage
2014-09-02 23:45 <diva> either lock contention of thread exhaustion
2014-09-02 23:45 <diva> or
2014-09-02 23:45 <justincc> the issue I can't explain yet is that frame time goes high but sim still thinks there is spare time to sleep the main thread
2014-09-02 23:45 <justincc> personally, I almost suspect it's a fundamental issue with mono not implementing c# thread prioritization
2014-09-02 23:46 <justincc> there was a thread exhaustion issue with a certain way the udp engine was working, though I now have a bit of code that appears to address that
2014-09-02 23:46 <justincc> although more the way it was trying to pull hundreds of threads simultaneously at short notice at very short intervals
2014-09-02 23:47 <diva> we need to put the loginers in a box
2014-09-02 23:48 <diva> login is such a complex heavy-duty thing... we shuld probably think of something radical
2014-09-02 23:48 <justincc> yeah, may end up putting them in a queue, though I want to try and see if there are any other fixable things first.  FOr instance, xml parsing of attachments was extremely inefficient
2014-09-02 23:48 <diva> maybe apwn a process for them or something
2014-09-02 23:48 <justincc> which wouldn't have come up if we were already throttling logins
2014-09-02 23:48 <justincc> or at least, wlud have been less likely
2014-09-02 23:48 <lkalif> login is also very sequence depended, probably a lot of waiting in autoreset events and such
2014-09-02 23:49 <justincc> the worst part is the sleep polling ;)
2014-09-02 23:50 <justincc> you could be right though, perhaps restricting simultaneous logins would be the way to save my sanity
2014-09-02 23:50 <justincc> in the short term
2014-09-02 23:51 <justincc> I do want to checkout the entire sequence first though, both with ordinary and hg users
2014-09-02 23:51 <justincc> and with lots of attachments, bad network links, etc.
2014-09-02 23:51 <lkalif> justincc: I don't think you need to do that. Because mass logins don't happen that much in real word usage. it's only when your bot army attacks the sim :P
2014-09-02 23:52 <justincc> yeah, part of it is getting them all in within the test time.  Bot logins don't have a negative effect so it's some differnce with real users (of which there are many)
2014-09-02 23:53 <lkalif> could you write the bot testing thing you have to login sequentially?
2014-09-02 23:53 <justincc> they are sequential but with short differences
2014-09-02 23:53 <justincc> sorry, short intervals.  tired
2014-09-02 23:54 <diva> ok. but seriously, login is slate for something a bit more radical, so we can work out all the issues in isolation. Maybe a queue, maybe a separate process, maybe some other thing. It's just too heavy and a hogger of resources
2014-09-02 23:54 <lkalif> ah so it could be that it's not login itself, but the initial object update flood
2014-09-02 23:54 <justincc> lkalif: I don't believe so since that's well throttled
2014-09-02 23:54 <justincc> I almost lean more towards some effect from all the service requests at login.  Maybe still available thread exhaustion
2014-09-02 23:55 <justincc> lkalif: also, it doesn't explain the big jump in frame time on login
2014-09-02 23:55 <lkalif> but if you login bots sequentially... you don't login the next bot until the first one is in... then the problems sound to me to be something that happens right after the login, not during
2014-09-02 23:55 <justincc> lkalif: the bots themselves don't trigger the delays
2014-09-02 23:56 <lkalif> so you could login 100s of bots with no problems?
2014-09-02 23:56 <justincc> diva: yeah, will probably have to go down that path.  It is unrealistic to let massive login happen all at once
2014-09-02 23:56 <justincc> lkalif: yes
2014-09-02 23:56 <lkalif> interesting
2014-09-02 23:56 <AllenKerensky> side effect: some ddos mitigation for intentional attacks?
2014-09-02 23:56 <justincc> that ddos mitigation doesn't work very well - I've already disabled it
2014-09-02 23:57 <justincc> it doesn't properly relax after it tightens up...
2014-09-02 23:57 <justincc> rather, it doesn't appear to relax at all even when it says it has
2014-09-02 23:57 <AllenKerensky> but a login queue might also help in different way
2014-09-02 23:58 <justincc> I think the queue should be at the simulator.  I don't think the login service itself is itself subject to overload
2014-09-02 23:58 <justincc> though a determined ddos (or even dos) could take its pick of weak poitns
2014-09-02 23:59 <justincc> anyway, I need to take a rest now.  Back around tomorrow.
2014-09-02 23:59 <justincc> 
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2014-09-03 00:21 <osmantis> Bug #7312:04 Crash of Opensim Core 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7312 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-09-03 03:05 <Misterblue> does anyone know about SL's use of CDNs? I saw some discussion as that was way one viewer was having two versions
2014-09-03 03:05 <lkalif> yes
2014-09-03 03:05 <lkalif> what do you want to know?
2014-09-03 03:05 <Misterblue> did LL do more than just pass the CDN url rather than the capability or did they change the asset fetch protocol?
2014-09-03 03:06 <lkalif> so far in this phase, just pass different url
2014-09-03 03:06 <Misterblue> so, OpenSim is still compatible?
2014-09-03 03:06 <lkalif> they're talking about perhaps changing url scheme at some point, but it might not even be needed
2014-09-03 03:06 <lkalif> Misterblue: it will remain compatible
2014-09-03 03:07 <lkalif> they will change capability name if they decide to change url scheme
2014-09-03 03:07 <lkalif> so GetMesh3 or GetTexture2
2014-09-03 03:07 <Misterblue> the capaability included the authorization in the URL... how does  the CDN url handle permissions?
2014-09-03 03:07 <lkalif> they decided to drop permission check on assets
2014-09-03 03:08 <Misterblue> so if you have the UUID, you have the asset?
2014-09-03 03:08 <lkalif> you already can do that with any client
2014-09-03 03:08 <lkalif> so in theory it changes stuff, but in practice not so much
2014-09-03 03:09 <Misterblue> so OS just needs to add a way of changing the asset URL for those who want to run an asset server
2014-09-03 05:23 <zadark> Misterblue: Spotted this a couple of days ago, maybe relevant to your CDN query. http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Beta_User_Group
2014-09-03 05:30 <Misterblue> thanks zadark... does look like it is just returning a different URL that points to the CDN
2014-09-03 05:31 <Misterblue> we'll see if OSGrid rethinks how it does its asset server :)
2014-09-03 05:32 <zadark> Good point, I hope to pop over to aditi with viewer 3.7.14 in the next few days and have a look at data flows.
2014-09-03 05:47 <lkalif> I was doing benchmarks, it downloaded 5000 meshes in 47 seconds
2014-09-03 05:47 <lkalif> vs. 205 seconds of the old system
2014-09-03 05:48 <lkalif> mostly because i'm in europe and the latency to their cdn is 17 ms where the sim is in the US with 170 ms latency for me
2014-09-03 05:48 <lkalif> which transletes into a lot of waiting when doing bunch of requests
2014-09-03 09:57 <zacdev> how can i get all region in one state in the table and how i get script that give all regions http://www.osgrid.org/index.php/regionlist
2014-09-03 09:57 <zacdev> is there a script available online please
2014-09-03 10:24 <zacdev> please how to get which regin is related to which state because there is no relation between these tables
2014-09-03 10:51 <Bwild> zacdev, various grids keep a front-end to show participating simulators in map and table form
2014-09-03 10:52 <Bwild> e.g, Wifi, or quickmap
2014-09-03 10:52 <Bwild> both should offer a way to list all the regions under the simulator's control
2014-09-03 10:59 <zacdev> Bwild: is there a cut of this on github?
2014-09-03 11:01 <BlueWall> go to your database holding the "regions" table and `select flags from regions`
2014-09-03 11:01 <BlueWall> then shutdown one of your regions at the console
2014-09-03 11:01 <BlueWall> then repeat the query and look at the difference
2014-09-03 11:02 <BlueWall> if regions crash, you you kill their process, then the data doesn't change
2014-09-03 11:06 <BlueWall> you can set Stats_URI in your OpenSim.ini and poll the url for that, getting back some stats about the sim, or poll other URL in the sim to check if they are running.
2014-09-03 11:06 <BlueWall> you can get all the info (name, coordinates, etc.) from that region table
2014-09-03 11:07 <Bwild> if you want tables you can use probably osg's javascripts
2014-09-03 11:08 <Bwild> they also have quickmaps on thier download page with is another db probably in php or javascript
2014-09-03 11:08 <Bwild> eg, http://download.osgrid.org/
2014-09-03 11:09 <Bwild> all those do direct db login via those scripts
2014-09-03 11:09 <Bwild> i think Diva's maybe only has avatar and inventory
2014-09-03 11:12 <Bwild> of course other front-ends exists that do direct hits against opensim db's which imo is suboptimal since wehn opensim's db changes this immediately breaks the php/javascript assumption of SQL wrapper statements
2014-09-03 11:13 <Bwild> any front-end that offers maps, tables, gui-type services should imo use a hit against an opensim/Addons/blah serivce as then the simulator itself via Robust or whatnot would field the request
2014-09-03 12:55 <zacdev> BlueWall: thank you
2014-09-03 12:55 <zacdev> Bwild: thank you
2014-09-03 14:46 <mheilmann> Hello, can anyone answer a quick question about TerrainChannel?
2014-09-03 15:32 <jakdaniels> mheilmann, Ask the question, then stay logged in for a good while, and you will probably get an answer. :)
2014-09-03 16:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #3799 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-09-03 16:59 <osjenkins> * jamesh: Move the 32 bit launchers as discussed at OpenSimulator Office Hour 9//2/14 http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2014-09-02.
2014-09-03 16:59 <osjenkins> * jamesh: Remove the 32 bit launchers as discussed at OpenSimulator Office Hour 9//2/14 http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2014-09-02. Find the binaries, sources and README in ./share/32BitLaunch if needed.
2014-09-03 18:02 <Plugh> nebadon: The WebStats output shows ScrLPS on both lines of the main set of stats above where it shows ActiveLog. I thought I had made a patch to remove the duplicate some time ago but the duplication is back.
2014-09-03 18:04 <Plugh> nebadon: I've just modified my local copy of the code to remove the duplicate. I'll commit the change unless you can think of a reason to keep both.
2014-09-03 18:09 <nebadon> thats fine Plugh
2014-09-03 18:10 <Plugh> ok. I remember making this changes a long time ago. It is odd that I seem to be doing it again./
2014-09-03 18:12 <Plugh> Grr... I almost always have to make a diff, modify it, checkout original file, and repatch to avoid introduction of white space changes.
2014-09-03 18:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #3800 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-09-03 18:23 <osjenkins> kevin: Don't show the ScrLPS data twice in the WebStats based statistics page.
2014-09-03 21:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #3801 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-09-03 21:10 <osjenkins> jamesh: Cleanup some unused code and configuration entries
2014-09-03 22:14 <zadark> Is XMLRPC expected to continue to provide communications within OpenSim for the forseeable future? I have attached XMLRPC as a project to OpenSim with the intention of improving error handling for HG comms. Bad idea?
2014-09-03 22:14 <justincc> what do you mean by attached?
2014-09-03 22:15 <zadark> Included as a project in the OpenSim solution
2014-09-03 22:16 <justincc> well, I can't see it changing soon.  But to be honest, such issues are likely not with XMLRPC itself but with some of the way code is handling return values, probably for backward compatibility
2014-09-03 22:16 <justincc> for instance, in at least one place, the assumption appears to be made that if a 404 is encountered, then that's success (!). 
2014-09-03 22:17 <BlueWall> Success|SUCCESS|OK
2014-09-03 22:20 <zadark> Generally, when ever a comms fails with HG, like the friends sim is no longer available, HttpWebRequest within xmlrpc just throws a exception.
2014-09-03 22:21 <justincc> they have to be dealt with in a manner that doesnt' overload the console.  The error itself you can't avoid because these servers diappear
2014-09-03 22:22 <zadark> If the reason for the failure could be processed then friends to these sims could be disabled, and not processed each time a user logs in.
2014-09-03 22:22 <justincc> yes, that means a blacklist, which has to be done carefully
2014-09-03 22:22 <justincc> one exists for maps but nothing else right now, as far as I'm aware
2014-09-03 22:22 <justincc> the maps one might also just be for local servers or something, I don't remember
2014-09-03 22:23 <justincc> blacklist probably also has to be short-lived because those servers could come back up
2014-09-03 22:23 <BlueWall> ++
2014-09-03 22:23 <zadark> JUst something that we are investigating, thanks for the comments.
2014-09-03 22:25 <BlueWall> We probably need to do one on the HG inventory and maybe other urls defined with the SRV******* that the user carries around with them.
2014-09-03 22:25 <BlueWall> maybe it would be worth creating a reusable blacklist class that "does the right thing"
2014-09-03 22:27 <zadark> Hopefully that is the direction we are taking.
2014-09-03 22:35 <justincc> yet another fork? :)
2014-09-03 22:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #3802 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-09-03 22:40 <osjenkins> jjustincc: If BulletSim is running on its own threads, start this thread via the thread watchdog.
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2014-09-03 22:44 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: fix indenting from previous commit b08ab1e
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2014-09-03 22:49 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Make bulletsim thread alarm if no update for 5 seconds.
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2014-09-03 22:57 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Don't need to check separate physics status in bulletsim update since that method is only run for an indepndent thread anyway.
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2014-09-03 23:05 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Start long-lived thread in IRCConnector via watchdog rather than indepedently, so that it can be seen in "show threads" and stats
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2014-09-03 23:28 <osjenkins> jjustincc: For processing outbound http requests in the XMLRPCModule, start the thread through Watchdog for monitoring and stat purposes.
2014-09-04 04:25 <Misterblue> just syncing the bullet-2.82 branch to master
2014-09-04 06:52 <Ken_S> Be forewarned... it appears something in this last series of changes here broke compatibility with Diva's wifi front end.
2014-09-04 07:21 <Bwild> Ken_S, does wifi have its own error log?
2014-09-04 11:55 <osmantis> Bug #7110:04 Cloud avatar forever on login on OSGrid add-on regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-04 12:04 <smxy> Crap and she won't fix Wifi until the next release. :(
2014-09-04 13:43 <zacdev> What is the difference between UserAccounts and GridUser table?
2014-09-04 13:44 <zacdev> Means in griduser table entry is reflected (+ or -)
2014-09-04 13:44 <zacdev> according to login in robust
2014-09-04 13:46 <zacdev> which table that gives status of users online?
2014-09-04 14:01 <MarcusLlewel> zacdev, if you want to know which users are currently online, I think it's the Presence table you want to look at.
2014-09-04 14:02 <zacdev> MarcusLlewel:  let me check the table
2014-09-04 14:02 <MarcusLlewel> I think that's only for local account, though. I think HG users are different.
2014-09-04 14:03 <zacdev> i was thinking about the HG
2014-09-04 14:04 <MarcusLlewel> HG users may also wind up in Presence. I'm really not sure. But local ones definitely do.
2014-09-04 14:05 <zacdev> the question is then where dose HG visitors presence stored in which table
2014-09-04 14:05 <MarcusLlewel> I can tell very quickly, if someone HGed into my grid.
2014-09-04 14:06 <zacdev> yes
2014-09-04 14:12 <MarcusLlewel> zacdev, I just Hged into my grid. The HG user is in the Presence table.
2014-09-04 14:13 <zacdev> i have problem in my HGed
2014-09-04 14:13 <zacdev> ok 
2014-09-04 14:13 <MarcusLlewel> Ack... no. The problem was prolly on my end, becuase I didn't specify a region, and do not have a default one speficied in my config.
2014-09-04 14:14 <MarcusLlewel> Sorry about that.
2014-09-04 14:14 <zacdev> :)
2014-09-04 14:14 <zacdev> was trying to shoooot my grid lol
2014-09-04 14:16 <zacdev> MarcusLlewel: thanks for the quick answer was helpfull
2014-09-04 14:20 <MarcusLlewel> np :)
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2014-09-04 23:01 <Velus> is there any search system with all current opensim sites like every indervidual site in one place 
2014-09-04 23:04 <AllenKerensky> no there is
2014-09-04 23:04 <AllenKerensky> no there is not - but folks have been talking about how to make one
2014-09-04 23:04 <AllenKerensky> hyperica, the hypergates, idreamsnet all have various collections
2014-09-04 23:05 <AllenKerensky> many third party viewers have a starting set of grids to explore in their grid managers
2014-09-04 23:09 <Velus> ok im looking into some program i will be using for something (the reason im going to be using it for is a little secret its for a client of mine with my main company) but the program would seem good to use for a "virtual world search engine" 
2014-09-04 23:11 <Velus> im thinking of creating one but wondered what peoples views are on it, if i do create one it would be a completely independent system, will have no affiliation with any virtual world, and would not be biased by any, i.e it would not be run by one virtual world promoting there own above any other but, giving every world the same chance as any other.
2014-09-04 23:11 <diva> I have a search engine
2014-09-04 23:13 <Velus> is it for any virtual world to be added to?
2014-09-04 23:13 <diva> anyone can choose to list there, it's opt-in
2014-09-04 23:14 <diva> http://search.metaverseink.com/opensim/results.jsp?query=type%3Aregion&submit=Search
2014-09-04 23:16 <Velus> nice what do you use for your back end mysql?
2014-09-04 23:16 <diva> lucene
2014-09-04 23:17 <Velus> ??? never heard of it
2014-09-04 23:17 <diva> it's the best text indexing system out there
2014-09-04 23:27 <diva> btw, the snapshot module in core is coded so that ppl can list their worlds in whatever search engines they want -- one or more engines. It takes a list of URLs
2014-09-04 23:30 <nebadon> diva i cant confirm this
2014-09-04 23:30 <nebadon> but earlier today someone said that wifi is not working on master git again
2014-09-04 23:30 <nebadon> not sure if they meant compiling it or dropping in dlls
2014-09-04 23:30 <nebadon> i havent tested the very latest code myself yet
2014-09-04 23:31 <diva> ok, I'll take a look this weekend. do you need it for the CC?
2014-09-04 23:31 <nebadon> well I do, but i am using wifi from last year
2014-09-04 23:31 <nebadon> i just drop in dlls
2014-09-04 23:31 <nebadon> i suspect this person may be trying to compile wifi themsevles agains master
2014-09-04 23:31 <nebadon> it was Ken_S
2014-09-04 23:32 <nebadon> Ken_S can you clarify better?
2014-09-04 23:32 <nebadon> diva if it is compiling against master problem it wont effect me
2014-09-04 23:32 <nebadon> but i did want you to be aware someone mentioned it
2014-09-04 23:38 <Velus> diva, have you heard of elasticsearch ? its built on lucene
2014-09-04 23:38 <Velus> but gives it more use and such
2014-09-04 23:38 <diva> yes, i know about it. it's lucene for dummies :-) jk. It's a nice API.
2014-09-04 23:41 <Velus> why dont you use that?
2014-09-04 23:43 <diva> I don't need it. I'm fine with lucene
2014-09-05 00:19 <smxy> I build Wifi with OpenSim. I can kick off a build and see if it breaks or not.
2014-09-05 00:20 <diva> that'd be great
2014-09-05 00:20 <smxy> Running now.
2014-09-05 00:23 <smxy> Yes, it's broken. Let me pastebin it.
2014-09-05 00:23 <smxy> http://pastebin.com/CSdAkJGf
2014-09-05 00:23 <diva> ok that's an easy fix
2014-09-05 00:23 <diva> thanks.
2014-09-05 00:23 <smxy> Sweet. :)
2014-09-05 00:24 <smxy> Thank you!
2014-09-05 00:24 <smxy> I'll gladly run a new build when you think it's fixed.
2014-09-05 00:34 <diva> there. it should be fixed
2014-09-05 00:35 <smxy> Let me try it.
2014-09-05 00:37 <smxy> It compiles without error now. Thanks Diva. :)
2014-09-05 00:38 <diva> yw
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2014-09-05 02:39 <smxy> Is it reasonable to say that if, when I try to go to TP to a particular grid, that if it fails with "Communications failure", that they've got something screwed up at their end?
2014-09-05 02:43 <AllenKerensky> there are 3 places with a "communications failure" message
2014-09-05 02:44 <AllenKerensky> two of them are in "query access" functions that seem to be checking permissions
2014-09-05 02:44 <AllenKerensky> so - it could be that parcel access permissions don't allow remote people
2014-09-05 02:45 <AllenKerensky> well, it looks like all 3 are in query access functions
2014-09-05 02:46 <AllenKerensky> it also looks in those functions like it could just be too large a version difference in opensim version you are connecting too
2014-09-05 02:47 <AllenKerensky> or one is a variable size region and you are coming from an older region which doesn't connect correctly to vars
2014-09-05 04:00 <smxy> Right, that last one definitely isn't it as I was coming from a var. :)
2014-09-05 04:00 <smxy> I sae the three places too, but they don't say a lot about what's really wrong.
2014-09-05 04:00 <smxy> saw*
2014-09-05 13:31 <H-H-H> anyone care to comment on this lol
2014-09-05 13:31 <H-H-H> 14:25:31 - [REGION DB]: MySQL error in ExecuteNonQuery: The specified format 'R' is invalid
2014-09-05 13:31 <H-H-H> 14:25:31 - [SCENE]: Storing of Dark Blue Simple Pump, 3f55e27b-8b18-4cde-b926-ed680ca239eb in test failed with exception The specified format 'R' is invalid
2014-09-05 14:24 <osmantis> Bug #7313:04 Stopping of animated textures not working properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7313 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2014-09-05 18:02 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Make LLUDP output queue refill thread active by default, since load tests have shown that this has better scalability.
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2014-09-05 21:34 <AliciaRaven2> justincc, there is a call back for creating iar files when the task is completed but none for loading them, is this missing or by design?
2014-09-05 22:20 <justincc> AliciaRaven2: what do you mean by task?
2014-09-05 22:21 <AliciaRaven2> justincc, when its done saving the iar it triggers a completed event, but there is no such event for loading iar files
2014-09-05 22:23 <justincc> AliciaRaven2: I see what you mean.  No, there should be an OnInventoryArchiveLoaded event as well if it would be useful, no design reason
2014-09-05 22:23 <AliciaRaven2> ok i will add one and then post a patch on mantis, i made other changes that wouldnt be wanted so i hope the patch will be compatible
2014-09-05 22:24 <AliciaRaven2> thanks for the info justincc
2014-09-05 22:24 <justincc> AliciaRaven2: great, thanks
2014-09-05 22:26 <AliciaRaven2> justincc, im guessing that a perm filter for creating iars isnt needed in core, i could include that in the patch aswell if u think it useful
2014-09-05 22:26 <justincc> what would be the use cases?
2014-09-05 22:27 <AliciaRaven2> well for me its to allow iar files to be created by users from grid website to download, but only allow them to archive items with full perms, i guess thats same reason oar files have the filter?
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2014-09-05 22:28 <justincc> AliciaRaven2: your right, so I think having that functionality would be worthwhile in core if you're willing to contribute it
2014-09-05 22:28 <justincc> the ideal scenario for me would be two separate patches, one for the event and one for perms
2014-09-05 22:28 <AliciaRaven2> sure will include it in the patch, unless u want two separate patches?
2014-09-05 22:28 <AliciaRaven2> ah ok, i thought u would say that lol
2014-09-05 22:28 <justincc> heh, yes :)
2014-09-05 22:29 <justincc> it's much easier for me if commits contain single logical changes, though more awkward if you didn't develop the code that way
2014-09-05 22:29 <AliciaRaven2> separate patches will be no problem
2014-09-05 22:29 <justincc> great, thanks
2014-09-05 22:29 <AliciaRaven2> not started on the event yet, been watching a movie
2014-09-05 22:30 <AliciaRaven2> will get started on them tommorow
2014-09-05 22:30 <justincc> yeah, ultimately that stuff should even have request IDs like the OARs.  I didn't think of that at the time, partly because the code was initially inherited and partly because I was focused on the asynchronous execution of OARs compared to IARs
2014-09-05 22:30 <justincc> then you oculd tell the events of two concurrent iar saves/loads apart
2014-09-05 22:31 <justincc> though I guess there may be other clues if one is willing to assume two iars won't occur for exactly the same folders simultanouesly
2014-09-05 22:31 <AliciaRaven2> i think the save has a request id for the call back, its a guid tho not a uuid
2014-09-05 22:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3809: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3809/
2014-09-05 22:31 <osjenkins> jjustincc: For monitoring purposes, start non-timeout tasks (which do not currently use a threadpool) via Watchdog.RunInThread() rather than Util.RunThreadNoTimeout()
2014-09-05 22:32 <justincc> yeah... I think that may have been due to a bit of fusiness at the time where UUIDs were more openmetaverse things and Guids system identifiers
2014-09-05 22:32 <justincc> but it would probably be more straitforward to have used UUIDs everywhere
2014-09-05 22:32 <justincc> of course, UUIDs being wrappers for Guids for the most part
2014-09-05 22:33 <AliciaRaven2> k, would be easier, i had to convert them in my code some where, would simplify things there
2014-09-05 23:10 <Melanie_> At some point there was a drive to cut loose from libOMV as far as the core is concerned
2014-09-05 23:10 <Melanie_> back then, a number of APIs were designed to use Guid, MS's implementation of the UUID
2014-09-05 23:11 <Melanie_> OMV did respond to our request to split the types into a separate lib so that, were one to not run a LL client stack, coud jettison the whole LL packet stuff
2014-09-05 23:11 <Melanie_> and still use the types
2014-09-05 23:11 <Melanie_> that stopped the trend to Guid
2014-09-05 23:12 <Melanie_> theoretically, all Guid usage in OpenSim could be brought into line to use UUID
2014-09-05 23:12 <justincc> it would make things fractionally simpler.
2014-09-05 23:12 <dahlia> I think types and structured data are usable as separate dlls
2014-09-05 23:12 <justincc> there's not a lot of guid usage anyway
2014-09-05 23:12 <Melanie_> yes a few cases of new UUID(Guid)
2014-09-05 23:13 <Melanie_> and a few cases of UUID.AsGuid()
2014-09-05 23:13 <Melanie_> as well as unifying the API somewhat
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2014-09-06 00:23 <lkalif> I'm sure we're all credited :P
2014-09-06 00:23 <lkalif> http://www.amazon.com/Exercises-Programming-Style-Cristina-Videira/dp/1482227371/
2014-09-06 00:34 <diva> :)
2014-09-06 00:35 <diva> I considered adding a justincc style :)
2014-09-06 00:35 <diva> but didn't do it
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2014-09-06 03:27 <osmantis> Bug #7313:04 Stopping of animated textures not working properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7313 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-09-06 09:11 <osmantis> Bug #6813:04 Ground sit fails on prim, avatar is going to sit on the terrain. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-09-06 19:44 <osmantis> Bug #7314:04 [PATCH] InventoryArchiver, perms filter switch and load callback event patches 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7314 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-09-06 19:45 <osmantis> Bug #7314:04 [PATCH] InventoryArchiver, perms filter switch and load callback event patches 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7314 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
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2014-09-06 21:48 <osmantis> Bug #7315:04 In-region-only "sit position" teleporters broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7315 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-09-06 21:50 <osmantis> Bug #7315:04 In-region-only "sit position" teleporters broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7315 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-09-06 23:20 <osmantis> Bug #7315:04 In-region-only "sit position" teleporters broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7315 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-06 23:54 <osmantis> Bug #7315:04 In-region-only "sit position" teleporters broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7315 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-09-06 23:56 <osmantis> Bug #7315:04 In-region-only "sit position" teleporters broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7315 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-09-07 06:09 <osmantis> Bug #7310:04 [Solved] Unable to compile OpenSim 0.8.1 + DSG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7310 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-07 06:17 <osmantis> Bug #7266:04 Scripting throught Hypergrid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7266 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-09-07 06:18 <osmantis> Bug #7266:04 Scripting throught Hypergrid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7266 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2014-09-08 10:56 <osmantis> Bug #7316:04 Avatar jumps when looking down and walking forward 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7316 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-09-08 16:30 <osmantis> Bug #7317:04 HG Teleport. [LLCLIENTVIEW] Exception and objects missing from view 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7317 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-09-08 16:57 <osmantis> Bug #7317:04 HG Teleport. [LLCLIENTVIEW] Exception and objects missing from view 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7317 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-08 17:01 <osmantis> Bug #7317:04 HG Teleport. [LLCLIENTVIEW] Exception and objects missing from view 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7317 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-08 17:05 <osmantis> Bug #7317:04 HG Teleport. [LLCLIENTVIEW] Exception and objects missing from view 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7317 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-08 17:49 <osmantis> Bug #7318:04 [PATCH] llSetPrimitiveParams() is ignored after llSetTextureAnim(FALSE) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7318 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-09-08 18:17 <osmantis> Bug #7319:04 XEngine Errors, Can't access an unloaded application domain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7319 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2014-09-08 22:02 <osmantis> Bug #7317:04 HG Teleport. [LLCLIENTVIEW] Exception and objects missing from view 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7317 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2014-09-08 22:03 <osmantis> Bug #7317:04 HG Teleport. [LLCLIENTVIEW] Exception and objects missing from view 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7317 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-09-08 22:48 <smxy> Heh. First time I couldn't go someplace because my viewer was banned.
2014-09-08 22:49 <AllenKerensky> what viewer?
2014-09-08 22:50 <smxy> ReplexAlpha of all things.
2014-09-08 22:50 <AllenKerensky> ah, probably not banned - just not allowed
2014-09-08 22:50 <H-H-H> sounds like maybe the grid admins set it up to only allow ther viewer ?
2014-09-08 22:50 <AllenKerensky> they don't know about it yet
2014-09-08 22:51 <smxy> No, the message on teleport was that it was banned by the region owner.
2014-09-08 22:51 <smxy> [15:40]  Could not teleport. Access denied, your viewer is banned by the region owner
2014-09-08 22:52 <smxy> Then I went there with Firestorm.
2014-09-08 22:57 <LiruCookies> smxy: What region?
2014-09-08 22:58 <smxy> It's an var the size of an 8x8, according to the parcel info: 74.170.99.194:9000 Lighthouse Point
2014-09-08 22:59 <smxy> I left him an IM saying it was a fork of Singularity and that there was no reason to ban it that I'm aware of.
2014-09-08 22:59 <LiruCookies> on OSGrid?
2014-09-08 22:59 <smxy> No. Does that look like an OSGrid address?
2014-09-08 23:00 <smxy> Besides, their down.
2014-09-08 23:00 <smxy> they're*
2014-09-08 23:00 <LiruCookies> Still?
2014-09-08 23:00 <LiruCookies> What grid?
2014-09-08 23:00 <smxy> I gave you the address.
2014-09-08 23:00 <LiruCookies> oh okay
2014-09-08 23:02 <LiruCookies> howdoievenlogintothat
2014-09-08 23:03 <smxy> It's an HG address, Liru
2014-09-08 23:03 <AllenKerensky> you can put it into the map tool search box for one
2014-09-08 23:03 <AllenKerensky> in your viewer
2014-09-08 23:03 <smxy> 74.170.99.194:9000:Lighthouse Point
2014-09-08 23:03 <smxy> Try pasting that into your map
2014-09-08 23:17 <Velus> hey all who is about atm
2014-09-08 23:46 <smxy> I'm talking to that guy now. He was only allowing viewers he knew.
2014-09-08 23:53 <Velus> hey smxy  can i ask you a question pls
2014-09-09 00:01 <smxy> Perhaps in a bit. Very busy at the moment.
2014-09-09 00:02 <smxy> Can anyone tell me if 0.8.0.1 shows up in the viewer's help -> about as 0.8 or 0.8.0.1?
2014-09-09 00:02 <smxy> Got someone who swears they updated but it says 0.8 Release
2014-09-09 00:17 <smxy> What's up, Velus?
2014-09-09 00:18 <Velus> basically im creating a vw on my pc ready for to have in a production invorment and wondered if i can do something like have a 
2014-09-09 00:18 <smxy> In general, you should just ask your question and then hang out for some time, to see if anyone comes along and answers it.
2014-09-09 00:19 <Velus> "tv"  in a room in a "house" and it only have the sound go in that room and not over all the region and that, im looking to have 1 "tv" in each room and there is several rooms nearby
2014-09-09 00:19 <Velus> can this be done
2014-09-09 00:20 <smxy> Not sure about in OpenSim. I know that in SL, you'd have to have each room be a parcel and then set the parcel to keep sounds only in that parcel.
2014-09-09 00:20 <smxy> It'd be a PITA, I think.
2014-09-09 00:20 <Velus> ok hmmm ill have to think on this majorly
2014-09-09 00:21 <smxy> If that feature works in OpenSim, you could try that, but ew.
2014-09-09 00:21 <smxy> Maybe someone else will have a better idea.
2014-09-09 00:22 <Velus> ok thanks
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2014-09-09 01:09 <Velus> could i have the opensim database run on a different server i.e have the virtual world program run off server1 and the database run off server2 
2014-09-09 01:11 <AllenKerensky> yes
2014-09-09 01:11 <AllenKerensky> let's say your mysql is running on 192.168.1.100 and your regions run on 192.168.1.2 to 192.168.1.99
2014-09-09 01:12 <AllenKerensky> just use the proper IP/hostname in your Database connector configuration strings
2014-09-09 01:12 <AllenKerensky> and make sure that IP address running your MySQL is not exposed to the internet
2014-09-09 01:14 <AllenKerensky> and for your TV question, yes you can do it, but you have to trick the parcel media controls a little bit - you target the media change just to the one or list of UUIDs in each 'area' you want
2014-09-09 01:18 <Velus> ok thank you and what do you mean make sure the mysql is not exposed to the internet?
2014-09-09 01:19 <AllenKerensky> don't forward people from internet addresses to the IP address of the MySQL server
2014-09-09 01:20 <AllenKerensky> they have no reason to talk directly to the database - they should only be talking to OpenSim.exe and Robust if you use it
2014-09-09 01:22 <Velus> ok, this will all be run in a data center, and i thought the program did it all through the opensim.exe anyway 
2014-09-09 01:22 <Velus> how easy/hard is it to have it run on linux
2014-09-09 01:22 <AllenKerensky> how easy or hard is it for you to run Linux - it will be approximately that hard
2014-09-09 01:24 <Velus> i ment to set it up
2014-09-09 01:24 <Velus> and well run and maintain it
2014-09-09 01:25 <Velus> i know it needs mono and such but not sure if its easyier to have it on windows 
2014-09-09 01:25 <AllenKerensky> for me - easy - but your mileage may vary
2014-09-09 01:25 <AllenKerensky> I don't know and can't speak for your experience level
2014-09-09 01:31 <Ken_S> Anyone else think it really strange that Metro has also had a major crash that messed up all of its assets?
2014-09-09 01:32 <smxy> Is it time for tin foil hats yet? :)
2014-09-09 01:34 <Velus> AllenKerensky, ill go with windows and ill use my own bought server keys and not the ones that the datacenter can offer lol, they are gonna charge me like £55/pm for the windows so im gonna ask them  tomorrow if i can use my own windows keys i have
2014-09-09 01:36 <Ken_S> It would be curious to know if there is any similarity in the log files just before the crash of both grids.
2014-09-09 01:36 <Velus> which grids crashed?
2014-09-09 01:42 <Ken_S> Metropolis has had a very similar crash from what I heard
2014-09-09 01:43 <Ken_S> Has messed up everyones assets there, and someone today said it was offline now.
2014-09-09 01:46 <smxy> I just teleported to their welcome region just fine.
2014-09-09 01:46 <zadark> me too
2014-09-09 01:55 <Ken_S> Are their assets all back online now too?
2014-09-09 01:57 <zadark> I got there via HG and the welcome zone appeared ok
2014-09-09 01:57 <Ken_S> Several people told me their inventory was all gone yesterday
2014-09-09 01:58 <Ken_S> Then today 2 people said it was down, but apparently back up now.
2014-09-09 01:58 <zadark> I don't have a registered avi on that grid, so cannot comment
2014-09-09 02:00 <smxy> Maybe they were just updating. Half the time, people don't know sh*t.
2014-09-09 02:10 <zadark> What if? region size parameter could be entered when starting a new opensim instance, along with region name etc.
2014-09-09 02:16 <smxy> If you can't then I'd say you ought to be able to, so that you don't have to create a 256er and then modify it.
2014-09-09 02:20 <zadark> My thoughts exactly, I was just going through some notes for people to configure a sim.
2014-09-09 02:23 <zadark_afk> z to z time
2014-09-09 03:09 <osmantis> Bug #6769:04 HG friends issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6769 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-09 03:10 <osmantis> Bug #6769:04 HG friends issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6769 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-09-09 03:27 <osmantis> Bug #5005:04 llRegionSay() script function does not trigger a ChatFromWorldEvent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5005 ): has been UPDATED.
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2014-09-09 12:30 <osmantis> Bug #6454:04 Opensim freezes while receiving an XMLRPC while in shutdown 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6454 ): has been CLOSED
2014-09-09 12:30 <arfonzo> hi all, I've just built from the git repo on win64 in VS2013, but I'm getting an error running: A first chance exception of type 'System.MissingMethodException' occurred in mscorlib.dll
2014-09-09 12:30 <arfonzo> does anyone know what might be the cause?
2014-09-09 12:34 <osmantis> Bug #7320:04 Testing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7320 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-09-09 12:34 <osmantis> Bug #7320:04 Testing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7320 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-09-09 12:35 <osmantis> Bug #7320:04 Testing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7320 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-09-09 12:35 <osmantis> Bug #7320:04 Testing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7320 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2014-09-09 12:35 <osmantis> Bug #7320:04 Testing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7320 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-09-09 12:36 <osmantis> Bug #7320:04 Testing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7320 ): has been CLOSED
2014-09-09 12:37 <arfonzo> never mind, my mistake, an error in regions.ini
2014-09-09 12:37 <osmantis> Bug #7320:04 Testing 14(  ): has been DELETED.
2014-09-09 13:44 <arfonzo> BlueWall: I'm going through the example module, is there any documentation?
2014-09-09 13:44 <arfonzo> I'm not quite clear how this fits into the opensim build system, or otherwise how to build and deploy the module
2014-09-09 13:51 <arfonzo> I've put it into addon-modules, but I don't seem to have anything build in that bin/addon-modules directory after re-running runprebuild and building in VS
2014-09-09 13:52 <BlueWall> it should create the prj files in the module directory
2014-09-09 13:52 <BlueWall> < after running the prebuild
2014-09-09 13:53 <BlueWall> you should be able to drop the code in the ./addon-modules directory, runprebuild.(sh|bat), msbuid|xbuild
2014-09-09 13:53 <BlueWall> the dll should be in the ./bin directory
2014-09-09 13:54 <BlueWall> enable the example module in your ini, then start OpenSim and you should see console logs at each step of the module loading
2014-09-09 13:57 <BlueWall> there may be an issue with it - checking now
2014-09-09 13:59 <arfonzo> ah, let me just check here too
2014-09-09 14:00 <arfonzo> ok, so I seem to have done that, except no DLL was created from what I can tell
2014-09-09 14:00 <BlueWall> ok, rename the Example-Region-Module directory to ExampleRegionModule
2014-09-09 14:01 <arfonzo> ah yes, this time it tries to build, however I'm getting namespace errors
2014-09-09 14:02 <BlueWall> ok, 1 sec while I test that
2014-09-09 14:02 <arfonzo> line 36, 37, 38, etc: type of namespace name 'OpenSim' could not be found
2014-09-09 14:06 <BlueWall> look in the modules prebuild file and change <Project frameworkVersion="v3_5" to "v4_0" and see if that makes any difference
2014-09-09 14:06 <arfonzo> aah, ok. I am on 4.5.1, FYI
2014-09-09 14:06 <BlueWall> all the opensim projects are build with 4.0 for now
2014-09-09 14:08 <BlueWall> re-run prebuild after making that change
2014-09-09 14:09 <arfonzo> yep, this time it built and generated the DLL, great :D
2014-09-09 14:09 <BlueWall> ok, thanks for the feedback, Ill update the repo with some notes and fixes
2014-09-09 14:09 <arfonzo> no problem, what is the syntax to edit the OpenSim.ini file to enable that module?
2014-09-09 14:10 <arfonzo> I'm trying to read the wiki pages, but there seem to be 2, 3, maybe 4 pages, some of which are outdated, etc...
2014-09-09 14:10 <BlueWall> use theo source Luke ...
2014-09-09 14:11 <BlueWall> look on line 137
2014-09-09 14:11 <arfonzo> ah, so I should have. :) Thanks.
2014-09-09 14:12 <BlueWall> I can add that to the notes
2014-09-09 14:15 <arfonzo> ok, console logs does show output, and when I login to the grid I get the popup message, so all does look fine now
2014-09-09 14:16 <BlueWall> cool
2014-09-09 14:16 <BlueWall> those log messages have the sequence number to show you how opensim loads the module
2014-09-09 14:16 <arfonzo> if it helps to confirm where it works, I'm on Windows 8.1, x64, .NET 4.5.1, VS2013. 
2014-09-09 14:17 <arfonzo> yes, I noticed 6 or 7 stages, I'm going to go through the code to understand it better
2014-09-09 14:17 <BlueWall> if you look in OpenSim/Region/[Core|Optional]Modules you'll find that the modules follow that pattern
2014-09-09 14:23 <arfonzo> ah, yes indeed...
2014-09-09 14:23 <arfonzo> is there a way I can blacklist a module in the addon-modules dir from being included and built?
2014-09-09 14:23 <arfonzo> I.e., is there a way I can leave the Example in there, and disable it
2014-09-09 14:23 <arfonzo> so that it doesn't build
2014-09-09 14:24 <BlueWall> You can make a subdirectory inside addon-modules and put inactive work in there
2014-09-09 14:25 <BlueWall> when you run prebuild, it will skip those
2014-09-09 14:25 <BlueWall> you can move them back out when you want to work on them
2014-09-09 14:26 <BlueWall> or rename the prebuild.xml to blacklist_prebuild.xml
2014-09-09 14:26 <BlueWall> that would work, I think
2014-09-09 14:26 <arfonzo> ah, fantastic, good idea, thanks
2014-09-09 14:26 <BlueWall> it scans addon-modules for directories that contain a file - prebuild*.xml
2014-09-09 14:27 <BlueWall> after making any changes, run prebuild with the clean switch
2014-09-09 14:27 <BlueWall> that will remove them from your solution
2014-09-09 14:31 <arfonzo> great, thanks!
2014-09-09 14:34 <BlueWall> sure, good luck with it.
2014-09-09 14:35 <arfonzo> hm, a question, even after the /clean, if the Example .DLL is in the bin directory, will it get loaded?
2014-09-09 14:35 <BlueWall> yes
2014-09-09 14:35 <arfonzo> (that seems to be what just happened here, I deleted the DLL, rebuilt and now it's fine)
2014-09-09 14:35 <arfonzo> ok
2014-09-09 14:36 <BlueWall> xbuild/msbuild might clean it, but you can rm -R ./bin ...
2014-09-09 14:36 <BlueWall> then git checkout bin
2014-09-09 14:37 <BlueWall> and you will have a pristine ./bin directory
2014-09-09 14:37 <arfonzo> ah, true, ok I'll remember that
2014-09-09 14:37 <arfonzo> I wasn't sure whether it relied on it being defined and enabled in OpenSim.ini, or whether it'd be loaded no matter what, as long as the DLL Existed in there
2014-09-09 14:38 <BlueWall> OpenSim will scan every dll when starting
2014-09-09 14:38 <BlueWall> it will load, but not be operational
2014-09-09 14:38 <arfonzo> ok, cool, and for DLLs, those are cross-platform here, are they?
2014-09-09 14:38 <BlueWall> yes
2014-09-09 14:39 <arfonzo> so I can plop the DLL I've built here in windows, onto my linux distro, make the ini changes and it'll work?
2014-09-09 14:39 <BlueWall> right
2014-09-09 14:39 <arfonzo> great
2014-09-09 14:42 <arfonzo> hm, what is the purpose of the ./bin/addon-modules directory?
2014-09-09 14:43 <arfonzo> (as opposed to ./addon-modules, which is where it gets built from source)
2014-09-09 14:43 <BlueWall> you can place custom ini files in the ./bin/addon-modules
2014-09-09 14:47 <BlueWall> look at the end of ./bin/OpenSimDefaults.ini to see where they are included
2014-09-09 14:48 <arfonzo> ah, gotcha, that makes sense
2014-09-09 14:48 <BlueWall> I think you need to have something like ./bin/addon-modules/ExampleRegionModule/config/myconfig.ini
2014-09-09 14:49 <arfonzo> ok, now that's only if I want to break out my config from OpenSim.ini into it's own config file then
2014-09-09 14:49 <BlueWall> yes
2014-09-09 14:52 <BlueWall> names
2014-09-09 14:55 <arfonzo> hm, I've copied the .dll to my linux instance and restart opensim, but it doesn't seem to be loaded
2014-09-09 14:56 <arfonzo> for example there's no "help <modulename>"
2014-09-09 14:56 <BlueWall> how about the ini ?
2014-09-09 14:56 <arfonzo> yes, I've done that too
2014-09-09 14:57 <arfonzo> hm, I built this with MS .net, is that fine?
2014-09-09 14:57 <BlueWall> look in the log for messages
2014-09-09 14:57 <BlueWall> it should be, yes.
2014-09-09 14:58 <arfonzo> actually, I do see the module messages in the shutdown console output
2014-09-09 14:59 <BlueWall> errors?
2014-09-09 14:59 <arfonzo> hrm... that's odd, are there other files I need to copy for the help data?
2014-09-09 14:59 <arfonzo> none, actually, it's just that the help <module> didn't work so I thought the entire module didn't load. Apparently it loaded... 
2014-09-09 14:59 <BlueWall> help all?
2014-09-09 15:00 <arfonzo> it's not listed in there
2014-09-09 15:00 <BlueWall> ok, 1 sec
2014-09-09 15:03 <arfonzo> the client.SendAgentAlertMessage() didn't fire either
2014-09-09 15:04 <BlueWall> did you get messages about it loading in the console?
2014-09-09 15:04 <BlueWall> 11:09:49 - [ExampleModule]: Running PostInitialize Sequence 12 : Enabled True
2014-09-09 15:04 <BlueWall> Currently selected region is root
2014-09-09 15:06 <BlueWall> help Example show anything?
2014-09-09 15:06 <arfonzo> actually, I think this is my fault... 
2014-09-09 15:06 <arfonzo> sec
2014-09-09 15:07 <arfonzo> hm... I thought I could leave OpenSim.ini as default untouched from the repo, and have my equivalent in config-include/something.ini
2014-09-09 15:07 <arfonzo> that doesn't work for modules, does it?
2014-09-09 15:08 <BlueWall> nope
2014-09-09 15:09 <arfonzo> yeah, that was it, sorry bout that
2014-09-09 15:09 <BlueWall> only a couple of files are looked at in the config-include directory
2014-09-09 15:09 <BlueWall> you can place it in ./bin/addon-modules/example/config/something.ini
2014-09-09 15:14 <arfonzo> ok, so, it works now... except here on linux... I get the popup 8-10 times 
2014-09-09 15:14 <BlueWall> hmm
2014-09-09 15:14 <arfonzo> as well as the output for get-message and set-message, they just output the same line a few times
2014-09-09 15:14 <BlueWall> how many avatars in the region?
2014-09-09 15:14 <arfonzo> just 1
2014-09-09 15:14 <BlueWall> parcels?
2014-09-09 15:15 <arfonzo> is there a way to check in console?
2014-09-09 15:16 <BlueWall> try land show
2014-09-09 15:17 <arfonzo> there only seems to be one (all ID 1)
2014-09-09 15:17 <arfonzo> it's a pretty stock instance, just built it and created a new DB
2014-09-09 15:17 <BlueWall> ok, now - how many regions in the instance?
2014-09-09 15:17 <BlueWall> one per message?
2014-09-09 15:18 <BlueWall> I have 2wo regions in an instance and I get two.
2014-09-09 15:18 <arfonzo> 28 regions.... hm, maybe
2014-09-09 15:18 <arfonzo> let me count them, :(
2014-09-09 15:18 <BlueWall> lol 2wo, hehehe
2014-09-09 15:18 <BlueWall> two
2014-09-09 15:19 <BlueWall> practice doesn't make perfect - unless I'm practing wrong :S
2014-09-09 15:19 <arfonzo> yep, there's 28!
2014-09-09 15:20 <BlueWall> you got a message from each region adjoining the one you landed in
2014-09-09 15:22 <arfonzo> ah, yes, I see that event does fire 28 times, indeed... ok
2014-09-09 15:22 <BlueWall> this is a "shared" module
2014-09-09 15:22 <arfonzo> it outputs a "NewClient" string as it happens for each region
2014-09-09 15:22 <arfonzo> ok
2014-09-09 15:22 <BlueWall> I will fix that. But, an easy way is to make it "non-shared"
2014-09-09 15:23 <arfonzo> remove the inheritance to ISharedRegionModule?
2014-09-09 15:23 <BlueWall> shared means one copy runs for all simulators in the instance. So we have to do some extra management to handle it.
2014-09-09 15:23 <arfonzo> (line 37, i think)
2014-09-09 15:24 <BlueWall> needs to implement nonshared
2014-09-09 15:25 <BlueWall> INonSharedRegionModule
2014-09-09 15:25 <BlueWall> also remove the method "PostInitialise"
2014-09-09 15:26 <arfonzo> ah, ok missed that method, alright
2014-09-09 15:30 <arfonzo> hm, I'm still getting the multiple messages
2014-09-09 15:32 <arfonzo> I've used INonSharedRegionModule, and commented out that #region block
2014-09-09 15:35 <BlueWall> you get one message per adjacent region now?
2014-09-09 15:41 <arfonzo> I haven't tried to login, but get-message does display it 28 times still
2014-09-09 15:41 <arfonzo> (sorry I was afk, I'm supposed to be at work, hah!)
2014-09-09 15:42 <BlueWall> haa
2014-09-09 15:42 <BlueWall> I will make some updates to the module and you can update it
2014-09-09 15:42 <arfonzo> certainly, thanks
2014-09-09 15:42 <arfonzo> am I the first person to try that example to have fed anything back to you?
2014-09-09 15:42 <BlueWall> you may need to re-clone it because I renamed it so it will just work w/o renaming
2014-09-09 15:42 <arfonzo> that's no problem
2014-09-09 15:42 <BlueWall> yes
2014-09-09 15:43 <arfonzo> ah, ok, well, I'll work through it again when you update it, and like that maybe uncover anything else
2014-09-09 15:43 <arfonzo> it's a good learning exercise for me
2014-09-09 16:44 <LiruCookies> What does a hypergrid slurl look like?
2014-09-09 16:44 <LiruCookies> No one?
2014-09-09 16:59 <BlueWall> I use host.fqdn.com:port:Region Name
2014-09-09 16:59 <BlueWall> I think you can use http://***** too
2014-09-09 17:43 <justincc> nebadon_: that's it.  You can wait for it to build/test or not
2014-09-09 17:45 <osmantis> Bug #7318:04 [PATCH] llSetPrimitiveParams() is ignored after llSetTextureAnim(FALSE) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7318 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-09-09 17:47 <justincc> nebadon_: ah no, this is all going to go wrong
2014-09-09 17:48 <nebadon_> uhg
2014-09-09 17:48 <nebadon_> whats wrong?
2014-09-09 17:48 <nebadon_> i am almost done updating
2014-09-09 17:48 <nebadon_> can you quick fix it?
2014-09-09 17:48 <justincc> there is s bug in slightly earlier work that will stop hg from teleporting in
2014-09-09 17:48 <nebadon_> thats not good
2014-09-09 17:48 <justincc> it will take me 5 mins
2014-09-09 17:49 <nebadon_> ok
2014-09-09 17:54 <justincc> nebadon_: okay, that's it
2014-09-09 17:55 <justincc> shiitit
2014-09-09 17:55 <justincc> hold
2014-09-09 17:56 <BlueWall> hehe, under pressure justin??
2014-09-09 17:56 <justincc> just slightly
2014-09-09 17:56 <justincc> something blew up yesterday that meant I couldn't do any of what I hope to do for the load test
2014-09-09 17:56 <justincc> nebadon_: alright, that shoudl really be it
2014-09-09 17:57 <nebadon_> k
2014-09-09 17:58 <BlueWall> I pushed something to github as you pushed the first batch and I saw my name there. I thought I wrecked something for sure. Lol
2014-09-09 17:58 <Melanie_> i didn't see much chat these past days
2014-09-09 17:58 <Melanie_> why is the branch called "ghosts"?
2014-09-09 17:58 <justincc> it contains a hack to stop av to av collisions
2014-09-09 17:58 <justincc> in bulletsim
2014-09-09 17:58 <Melanie_> what is the use case?
2014-09-09 17:58 <justincc> reduce phys load
2014-09-09 17:59 <Melanie_> for oscc?
2014-09-09 17:59 <justincc> in this case, yes
2014-09-09 17:59 <Melanie_> i see
2014-09-09 17:59 <nebadon_> anyone trying OSCC at the moment
2014-09-09 18:00 <nebadon_> its restarting
2014-09-09 18:00 <nebadon_> give me another minute or two
2014-09-09 18:00 <RiRa> logins disabled
2014-09-09 18:00 <RiRa> ok
2014-09-09 18:01 <nebadon_> ok its up
2014-09-09 18:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #3810 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-09-09 18:06 <misterblue_> is there a developers meeting?
2014-09-09 18:07 <zadark_afk> yes
2014-09-09 18:07 <misterblue_> how do I get there?
2014-09-09 18:07 <zadark_afk> 1 sec
2014-09-09 18:07 <zadark_afk> http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 Staff Zone 1 
2014-09-09 18:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3810: SUCCESS in 8 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3810/
2014-09-09 18:10 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: For stat names containing periods, replace with '#' rather than throw exception
2014-09-09 18:10 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Make proper fix for last commit wrt Mantis 7317 by replacing disallowed c char and not literal 'c'
2014-09-09 18:11 <Plugh> I don't know if I can get to the meeting today. My main computer died and the laptop didn't have the login info for the grid I use that lets me HG TP to the meeting site.
2014-09-09 18:13 <nebadon_> ok Plugh, no worries
2014-09-09 18:13 <nebadon_> thanks for letting us know
2014-09-09 18:13 <nebadon_> hope you can get a new computer or something soon
2014-09-09 18:14 <Plugh> I want my existing one fixed. I need a POST diagnostic card for PCI bus. The card I have is old and is only for ISA.
2014-09-09 18:15 <Plugh> It hasn't been long since the machine got new hard drives and a new power supply.
2014-09-09 18:22 <djphil> Ping nebadon_
2014-09-09 18:22 <djphil> We just register for FrancoGrid oscc2014. You can check whether the entry was made correctly please because we have not received a confirmation email (oscc2014@francogrid.org)
2014-09-09 18:22 <misterblue_> I don't have another grid I belong to... I'll sit out another week
2014-09-09 18:23 <Plugh> djphil: I was using The Great Canadian Grid to get to the meeting site.\
2014-09-09 18:23 <nebadon_> might be tough to find brand new motherboard with ISA slots
2014-09-09 18:24 <vegaslon> none of your standalone have hypergrid?
2014-09-09 18:24 <Plugh> I think I may have finally remembered my password. Nope. Took longer to say it failed.
2014-09-09 18:25 <Plugh> nebadon, the MB of my main machine isn't ISA. The POST diagnostic card is for ISA. I need to get a POST card for PCI.
2014-09-09 18:26 <Plugh> Danged annoying windows!!!! I pulled the HD from the old machine so I can access some files from it and copy those files to the laptop. Will it let me access the files? Of course not. Some darned security issue it wants to throw in my face. Grrr!!
2014-09-09 18:26 <Plugh> (headbang)
2014-09-09 18:26 <nebadon_> ok djphil best to shoot Fleep a email
2014-09-09 18:27 <djphil> adress please
2014-09-09 18:28 <nebadon_> 1 se
2014-09-09 18:28 <nebadon_> chris.collins@avacon.org
2014-09-09 18:29 <djphil> ty Neb ;)
2014-09-09 18:29 <nebadon_> np
2014-09-09 18:33 <Plugh> I give up. I can't even get their "forgot password" feature to work.
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2014-09-09 18:50 <osmantis> Bug #7317:04 HG Teleport. [LLCLIENTVIEW] Exception and objects missing from view 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7317 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-09 18:52 <nebadon_> diva ping
2014-09-09 18:52 <nebadon_> is there still a 2 group limit in your distro?
2014-09-09 18:52 <diva> no
2014-09-09 18:53 <nebadon_> ok
2014-09-09 18:56 <nebadon_> diva 
2014-09-09 18:56 <nebadon_> if someone were running into the 2 group limit on your distro
2014-09-09 18:56 <nebadon_> running the latest code, any idea what might cause that?
2014-09-09 18:56 <nebadon_> i believe they may have upgraded from a time when you did have it imposed
2014-09-09 18:57 <diva> old dlls, bad installation
2014-09-09 18:57 <nebadon_> but they said they started totally fresh install but its still happening
2014-09-09 18:58 <nebadon_> diva someone else claims same problem no
2014-09-09 18:58 <nebadon_> now*
2014-09-09 18:58 <nebadon_> any chance a old dll got pushed into your latest release?
2014-09-09 18:59 <diva> no chance. I just created another group on my vLab and it works
2014-09-09 18:59 <nebadon_> ok wierd
2014-09-09 19:00 <nebadon_> 2 people at Tuesday meeting are claiming 2 group limit running your august release
2014-09-09 19:01 <nebadon_> actually one of the people claims that they actually removed your distro and are now using just core code
2014-09-09 19:01 <nebadon_> but kept the same database that was created by your distro
2014-09-09 19:01 <nebadon_> and are still experiencing the 2 group limit
2014-09-09 19:01 <nebadon_> how odd
2014-09-09 19:03 <justincc> user error ;)
2014-09-09 19:03 <diva> (Singularity crashed on me, though :)
2014-09-09 19:03 <BlueWall> we used to call it "pilot error" :)
2014-09-09 19:04 <BlueWall> 1
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2014-09-09 19:04 <justincc> woo, no lag!
2014-09-09 19:04 <BlueWall> 8
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2014-09-09 19:04 <BlueWall> 0
2014-09-09 19:04 <BlueWall> lol whoops
2014-09-09 19:04 <BlueWall> heheh
2014-09-09 19:04 <diva> lol
2014-09-09 19:13 <Mandarinka__> Hello ) I've successfully compiled libopenmetaverse 0.9.2 and i search documentation  ( help ) reffering using Inject tab in WinGridProxy.exe  ( not GridProxy ) there is only very little info about WinGridProxy available in net. maybe you have some examples or info about injecting packets in wingridproxy ? i know how to analyse packets with this tool etc, but onyl this one thing  - injecting i do not know how to play with.
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2014-09-09 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #7317:04 HG Teleport. [LLCLIENTVIEW] Exception and objects missing from view 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7317 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-09-09 22:49 <smxy> You watch, any moment now, someone will commit something ...
2014-09-09 23:05 <osmantis> Bug #7315:04 In-region-only "sit position" teleporters broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7315 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-09-09 23:05 <osmantis> Bug #7315:04 In-region-only "sit position" teleporters broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7315 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-09 23:16 <osmantis> Bug #7318:04 [PATCH] llSetPrimitiveParams() is ignored after llSetTextureAnim(FALSE) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7318 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-09-09 23:19 <osmantis> Bug #7319:04 XEngine Errors, Can't access an unloaded application domain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7319 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-09 23:19 <osmantis> Bug #7319:04 XEngine Errors, Can't access an unloaded application domain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7319 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-09-09 23:39 <osmantis> Bug #7315:04 In-region-only "sit position" teleporters broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7315 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-10 00:09 <osmantis> Bug #7318:04 [PATCH] llSetPrimitiveParams() is ignored after llSetTextureAnim(FALSE) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7318 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-10 02:14 <osmantis> Bug #7319:04 XEngine Errors, Can't access an unloaded application domain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7319 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-10 03:13 <osmantis> Bug #6813:04 Ground sit fails on prim, avatar is going to sit on the terrain. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-10 03:47 <osmantis> Bug #6813:04 Ground sit fails on prim, avatar is going to sit on the terrain. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-10 06:47 <arfonzo> Morning all, was yesterday's conference recorded somehow? I'd like to check it if there's been a recording made.
2014-09-10 11:51 <arfonzo> ahoy friends
2014-09-10 11:52 <arfonzo> BlueWall: I see you've pushed some commits to the example module code, am I good to re-clone and try again, or do you have more pending changes to do?
2014-09-10 11:53 <arfonzo> I did mess around a bit yesterday, with OnClientLogin() and other events, to at least get only a single popup message when joining the grid
2014-09-10 12:07 <arfonzo> BlueWall: question, you've commented that we upgrade the user from Child to Root using HandleOnMakeRootAgent, but I'm not seeing where the actual upgrade happens? Apols, I may be missing something basic about the opensim architecture perhaps.
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2014-09-10 17:21 <Plugh> nebadon: ping
2014-09-10 17:49 <nebadon> hey Plugh
2014-09-10 19:05 <Plugh> nebadon: Since my desktop won't currently boot (it doesn't get to the point where anything shows on the monitor) my OpenSim related activities will be substantially cut back.
2014-09-10 19:11 <nebadon> ok, that sucks!
2014-09-10 19:11 <nebadon> what is it you need to get your machine back in order?
2014-09-10 19:11 <Plugh> yea, I know. I need to get a POST diagnostic card for PCI so I can get an idea what might be wrong.
2014-09-10 19:11 <nebadon> ah ok so you still don't know whats up?
2014-09-10 19:12 <nebadon> what exactly is the machine doing?
2014-09-10 19:12 <Plugh> No. The fans are running, the DVD drives do their initial lighting up as power is applied, the CPU seems to get warm after a while. No beep codes, no video.
2014-09-10 19:13 <nebadon> have you tried reseating everything?
2014-09-10 19:13 <Plugh> First two times I had trouble booting in the days before it died I just had to power cycle the machine a few times to get it up and running.
2014-09-10 19:14 <nebadon> could be a bad capacitor
2014-09-10 19:14 <Plugh> Not much to reseat. I could try that but it is a difficult machine to work on.
2014-09-10 19:14 <nebadon> check the tops of all the capacitors
2014-09-10 19:14 <nebadon> see if any of them look or feel bulged out
2014-09-10 19:15 <nebadon> well the memory chips
2014-09-10 19:15 <nebadon> the video card
2014-09-10 19:15 <nebadon> any cards in the slots, reduce it down to the minimum
2014-09-10 19:15 <Plugh> Power cycling to get it running a couple times makes me think it isn't too likely to be caps. I don't have clear view of the MB or easy access to where the ram is located.\
2014-09-10 19:15 <nebadon> and start adding cards in until it fails
2014-09-10 19:15 <Plugh> tried that. pulled all cards except video.
2014-09-10 19:16 <nebadon> i had a machine doing something similar
2014-09-10 19:16 <nebadon> i pulled the motherboard from the case and the back of it had corrision all over it
2014-09-10 19:16 <Plugh> oh?
2014-09-10 19:16 <nebadon> i used a small stiff paint brush and isopropyl alchohol to clean it all off
2014-09-10 19:16 <nebadon> machine booted up fine after that
2014-09-10 19:16 <Plugh> odd and interesting
2014-09-10 19:16 <nebadon> computer still works 
2014-09-10 19:17 <nebadon> i ended up swapping everything to a new case
2014-09-10 19:17 <nebadon> i think the case was causing the corrison
2014-09-10 19:17 <nebadon> one of those crappy tan clone towers
2014-09-10 19:17 <Plugh> I've had this machine for quite a few years.
2014-09-10 19:17 <nebadon> was really old case
2014-09-10 19:17 <nebadon> ended up putting all the components in an old dell tower i had laying around
2014-09-10 19:17 <Plugh> Got it when Windows Vista was just coming out.
2014-09-10 19:18 <nebadon> you might want to pull off heatsink
2014-09-10 19:18 <nebadon> and check the thermal paste
2014-09-10 19:18 <nebadon> its probably dust by now
2014-09-10 19:18 <nebadon> that could cause lots of problems
2014-09-10 19:18 <nebadon> is it a core2?
2014-09-10 19:18 <nebadon> or a core duo?
2014-09-10 19:19 <nebadon> those chips are nearly impossible to kill
2014-09-10 19:19 <nebadon> new paste might help
2014-09-10 19:19 <nebadon> i like to disasemmble my machines once a year and clean em up
2014-09-10 19:20 <Plugh> yes, it is a C2D\
2014-09-10 19:20 <Plugh> Core 2 Duo
2014-09-10 19:20 <nebadon> thats good
2014-09-10 19:20 <nebadon> those things are tough as nails
2014-09-10 19:21 <nebadon> if it is the motherboard should be fairly inexpensive to replace it
2014-09-10 19:21 <nebadon> if your lucky might even find a brand new one on ebay of same model
2014-09-10 19:22 <nebadon> also if you have onboard video, try pulling out your video card and see if it boots that way
2014-09-10 19:22 <nebadon> you can rule out if its the video card
2014-09-10 19:23 <Plugh> My machine runs with software RAID so a new MB could be a problem if I can't get sameone.
2014-09-10 19:23 <nebadon> ya
2014-09-10 19:23 <nebadon> do you know the make and model?
2014-09-10 19:24 <Plugh> The second day I had trouble getting machine running I did an immediate backup. Couldn't get it running next day so my backup is only about 1 or 2 days old.
2014-09-10 19:25 <Plugh> I can look it up. It is the Basswood named MB used by HP. It is a form of ASUS MB.
2014-09-10 19:26 <Plugh> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=ca&lc=en&docname=c00748726#N269
2014-09-10 19:28 <nebadon> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=P5BW-LA&=&rt=nc&LH_ItemCondition=3
2014-09-10 19:29 <Plugh> That Basswood3 board has one really short socket for a plug-in board.
2014-09-10 19:32 <Plugh> thanks. that second link would be what I need.
2014-09-10 19:32 <Plugh> If I need to replace the MB
2014-09-10 19:32 <nebadon> ya
2014-09-10 19:32 <nebadon> 60$ isnt bad
2014-09-10 19:32 <nebadon> ive orderd a bunch of parts from hong kong
2014-09-10 19:33 <nebadon> even had to have DOE stuff replaced and its never been a problem
2014-09-10 19:33 <nebadon> DOA*
2014-09-10 19:33 <Plugh> plus $25 shipping
2014-09-10 19:34 <nebadon> ouch thats pretty weird from china
2014-09-10 19:34 <nebadon> usually its very cheap for shipping
2014-09-10 19:34 <nebadon> the first link seems to be free shipping
2014-09-10 19:35 <Plugh> They call that one a Basswood 3. Only 2 slots other than the PCI Express one. No idea what that tiny socket is for.
2014-09-10 19:36 <nebadon> PCIe
2014-09-10 19:36 <nebadon> its 1x PCIe
2014-09-10 19:36 <nebadon> you can put network cards or sound cards
2014-09-10 19:36 <nebadon> maybe vid capture card
2014-09-10 19:37 <Plugh> PCIe is not the same as PCI Express?
2014-09-10 19:37 <nebadon> oh ya i see its slightly different than yours
2014-09-10 19:37 <nebadon> it is
2014-09-10 19:37 <nebadon> but there is 1x, 8x and 16x speed slots
2014-09-10 19:37 <nebadon> that is a 1x slot
2014-09-10 19:38 <Plugh> that 3 board has two long white PCI, one long black PCI Express and some tiny thing in between.
2014-09-10 19:38 <nebadon> ya
2014-09-10 19:39 <Plugh> I wouldn't need that slot. It would be where I would have the bracket with the two serial port connectors on it.\
2014-09-10 19:39 <nebadon> http://www.ecrater.com/p/18851831/asus-p5bw-la-motherboard-hp?gps=1&id=80959801219
2014-09-10 19:40 <nebadon> they have 10 new ones available
2014-09-10 19:41 <Plugh> That tiny socket appears to be a PCI x 1 from what I just read.
2014-09-10 19:41 <nebadon> pci is the white slots
2014-09-10 19:42 <Plugh> yeah
2014-09-10 19:42 <nebadon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PCIExpress.jpg
2014-09-10 19:42 <Plugh> also known as PCI Legacy
2014-09-10 19:42 <nebadon> scroll down to description
2014-09-10 19:42 <Plugh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express
2014-09-10 19:42 <Plugh> is what I was looking at. :)
2014-09-10 19:42 <nebadon> hehe
2014-09-10 19:43 <Plugh> ooh...$60, free shipping, and it ships from US?? That would get it to me fast.
2014-09-10 19:43 <Plugh> BTW, I even checked the coin cell battery backup.\
2014-09-10 19:43 <nebadon> ya it will still boot with that completely missing even
2014-09-10 19:43 <nebadon> it just wont save bios settings for more than a few minutes once shut down
2014-09-10 19:43 <Plugh> amazed to find that it was still reading about 3.2V even after 7 years of use.
2014-09-10 19:44 <nebadon> as long as the capacitor holds out basically
2014-09-10 19:44 <nebadon> which isnt long
2014-09-10 19:44 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-09-10 19:46 <Plugh> oh, that is a used board. Doesn't say how much use it has seen
2014-09-10 19:46 <nebadon> make sure you order some thermal paste if you do get a new board
2014-09-10 19:46 <nebadon> where?
2014-09-10 19:46 <nebadon> ecrater?
2014-09-10 19:46 <Plugh> That last link you pasted.
2014-09-10 19:46 <Plugh> yeah
2014-09-10 19:46 <nebadon> it says 10 new boards
2014-09-10 19:46 <Plugh> I don't have any thermal paste.
2014-09-10 19:46 <nebadon> More than 10 available
2014-09-10 19:46 <Plugh> Note：
2014-09-10 19:46 <Plugh> 1) The Motherboard is not Brand new ,it is used  Because Condition only one choice,But working condition like the new one.
2014-09-10 19:46 <nebadon> Condition: Brand new
2014-09-10 19:47 <nebadon> oh hmm
2014-09-10 19:47 <nebadon> wierd
2014-09-10 19:55 <nebadon> not sure if this stuff is new or what
2014-09-10 19:55 <nebadon> i suspect not
2014-09-10 19:55 <nebadon> http://www.aliexpress.com/w/wholesale-p5bw%25252dla-motherboard.html
2014-09-10 19:58 <Plugh> bah! Those companies want to use courier companies to ship the boards.
2014-09-10 19:59 <dahlia> new mobo time?
2014-09-10 20:02 <Plugh> dahlia: don't know yet.
2014-09-10 20:03 <Plugh> ooh... I like this listing. $1 for shipping. :)
2014-09-10 20:06 <Plugh> I might want to order a new MB on general principle. Equipment doesn't last as long as it used to.
2014-09-10 20:13 <nebadon> Plugh you could probably find a core2quad to drop into this motherboard too on ebay
2014-09-10 20:13 <nebadon> used ones are cheap
2014-09-10 20:13 <nebadon> core2 will basically last forever
2014-09-10 20:13 <nebadon> nearly impossible to burn one out
2014-09-10 20:13 <nebadon> i know people who were overclocking the 2ghz chips to 4ghz
2014-09-10 20:14 <nebadon> using a peltier cooler
2014-09-10 20:17 <Plugh> hehe...someone is selling a core2quad sticker. I could always pretend to have a c2q  :)
2014-09-10 20:18 <Plugh> wow. C2Q for $20.50
2014-09-10 20:18 <Plugh> oh it is an auction.
2014-09-10 20:18 <nebadon> there is a check box for buy now
2014-09-10 20:19 <nebadon> or a drop down
2014-09-10 20:19 <nebadon> it should be under 50$
2014-09-10 21:25 <Plugh> I'll be happy to just get the machine running again with the stock C2D chip :)
2014-09-10 22:04 <osmantis> Bug #7321:04 Error requesting Preferences 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7321 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2014-09-10 23:04 <osmantis> Bug #7311:04 osNpcMoveToTarget() gives runtime error if NPC is sitting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7311 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-09-10 23:10 <osmantis> Bug #5005:04 llRegionSay() script function does not trigger a ChatFromWorldEvent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5005 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
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2014-09-11 03:44 <osmantis> Bug #7322:04 lsl.parser.cs and lsl.lexer.cs poorly formatted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7322 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2014-09-11 22:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #3811 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-09-11 22:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3811: SUCCESS in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3811/
2014-09-11 22:44 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix regression from recent a02dae5 where stand positions are no longer correct when a sit target is specified.
2014-09-11 22:47 <osmantis> Bug #7315:04 In-region-only "sit position" teleporters broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7315 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2014-09-11 22:56 <osmantis> Bug #7322:04 lsl.parser.cs and lsl.lexer.cs poorly formatted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7322 ): has been CLOSED
2014-09-11 23:16 <smxy> Thanks Justin. I'll update in a bit. :)
2014-09-11 23:31 <osmantis> Bug #7313:04 Stopping of animated textures not working properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7313 ): The issue 0007318 has been set as DUPLICATE OF the following issue.
2014-09-11 23:31 <osmantis> Bug #7318:04 [PATCH] llSetPrimitiveParams() is ignored after llSetTextureAnim(FALSE) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7318 ): has been set as DUPLICATE OF issue 0007313.
2014-09-11 23:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #3812 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-09-11 23:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3812: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3812/
2014-09-11 23:40 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix issues where setting llSetTextureAnim(FALSE... did not work properly).
2014-09-11 23:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #3813 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-09-11 23:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3813: SUCCESS in 3 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3813/
2014-09-11 23:44 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add cinderblocks and bobshaffer2 to contributors.
2014-09-11 23:46 <osmantis> Bug #7318:04 [PATCH] llSetPrimitiveParams() is ignored after llSetTextureAnim(FALSE) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7318 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-09-11 23:47 <osmantis> Bug #7313:04 Stopping of animated textures not working properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7313 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-09-12 02:31 <osmantis> Bug #7315:04 In-region-only "sit position" teleporters broken. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7315 ): has been CLOSED
2014-09-12 02:42 <osmantis> Bug #7171:04 BulletSim crashed the simulator. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7171 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-12 02:43 <osmantis> Bug #7171:04 BulletSim crashed the simulator. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7171 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-09-12 02:43 <osmantis> Bug #7171:04 BulletSim crashed the simulator. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7171 ): has been CLOSED
2014-09-12 02:48 <osmantis> Bug #7133:04 More remote profile spew. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7133 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-09-12 02:49 <osmantis> Bug #7133:04 More remote profile spew. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7133 ): has been CLOSED
2014-09-12 03:08 <MichaelH_> I have a question about domain names if anyones available
2014-09-12 22:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #3814 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-09-12 22:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3814: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3814/
2014-09-12 22:43 <osjenkins> jjustincc: When osNpcMoveToTarget() is called for a sitting avatar then silently do nothing rather than throwing an error.
2014-09-12 22:43 <osmantis> Bug #7311:04 osNpcMoveToTarget() gives runtime error if NPC is sitting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7311 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2014-09-13 06:10 <lkalif> wow
2014-09-13 06:11 <lkalif> joe linden / miller passed away :(
2014-09-13 06:11 <lkalif> http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Featured-News/Remembering-Joe-Miller/ba-p/2822280
2014-09-13 06:11 <lkalif> He used to hang around here, and in libomv chan
2014-09-13 06:11 <lkalif> One of the coolest guys at LL ever
2014-09-16 19:06 <Plugh> What is the difference between Price and Fee on the registration page for OSCC?
2014-09-16 19:06 <Plugh> The price for some classes of attendees is as high as $200
2014-09-16 19:07 <BlueWall> I think it is more-or-less a donation, but it is a little unclear.
2014-09-16 19:08 <BlueWall> nebadon said that it is first come, first server
2014-09-16 19:08 <BlueWall> eh, serv
2014-09-16 19:08 <BlueWall> e
2014-09-16 19:09 <Plugh> yea, the page doesn't really make it clear.
2014-09-16 19:09 <BlueWall> I was thinking that you needed to pay, or risk getting bumped.
2014-09-16 19:09 <Plugh> I haven't registered yet.4
2014-09-16 19:10 <BlueWall> I did. It will be really fun using the paper tickets 0.0
2014-09-16 19:10 <Plugh> The page makes reference to Crowdfunder tickets. Not sure what those are.
2014-09-16 19:12 <nebadon> crowdfunders are small donations
2014-09-16 19:12 <nebadon> i think some levels get more than 1 ticket reserved
2014-09-16 19:13 <Plugh> Free Attendee wants the name of the avatar? I already will have entered a name/email in the "Your Information" section.
2014-09-16 19:20 <nebadon> region died
2014-09-16 19:20 <BlueWall> ahhhh
2014-09-16 19:20 <MarcusLlew> The other three seem okay
2014-09-16 19:21 <nebadon> yea it was an accidental
2014-09-16 19:24 <MarcusLlew> Safe to go back?
2014-09-16 19:24 <justincc> yes
2014-09-16 19:25 <nebadon> ya hop on back
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2014-09-17 12:01 <zacdev> hello i am making a join page and done the registeration and want to make the 10 avatars that when the register choose it will give him the defualt avatar that i make ( this like Male Female Neutral Avatars that Diva made) but i am using the opensim core last version and wonder how can i make and what users names that it will give for the defualt avatars when i make them
2014-09-17 12:03 <zacdev> i have seen this tutorial but did not get my answer for our opensim core code and how we can do that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU66Sl_2G5c
2014-09-17 12:03 <zacdev> my UI is differnent from the tutorial i post above
2014-09-17 12:18 <osmantis> Bug #7325:04 NPC sitting on an object and being immediately updated to a different animation does not display this until next scene update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7325 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-09-17 16:55 <osmantis> Bug #7326:04 llSleep crashes scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7326 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-09-17 17:10 <zacdev> hello i am making a join page and done the registeration and want to make the 10 avatars that when the register choose it will give him the defualt 
2014-09-17 17:10 <zacdev> avatar that i make ( this like Male Female Neutral Avatars that Diva made) but i am using the opensim core last version and wonder how can i make and 
2014-09-17 17:10 <zacdev> what users names that it will give for the defualt avatars when i make them
2014-09-17 17:10 <zacdev>  i have seen this tutorial but did not get my answer for our opensim core code and how we can do that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU66Sl_2G5c
2014-09-17 17:10 <zacdev>  my UI is differnent from the tutorial i post above
2014-09-17 20:04 <osmantis> Bug #7326:04 llSleep crashes scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7326 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-17 21:29 <Plugh> The console of a var is giving me red text from the serializer telling me "deserialization of xml failed: Root element is missing." but nothing useful to tell me the origin of the data it tried to parse. Is it possible to have the serializer report a UUID, or something else more useful, that would let me track down the source of the bad xml?
2014-09-17 21:33 <AliciaRaven> Plugh, i have seen that before but only when opensim tries to load xml that was created by aurora sim, not sure how to get more helpful information about what prim is causing it
2014-09-17 21:34 <dahlia> Plugh: the deserializer probably doesnt know what's calling it or any other context
2014-09-17 21:35 <Plugh> If it wasn't trying to parse from a NULL pointer how about having it display a portion of the data it is trying to parse?
2014-09-17 21:35 <dahlia> sounds kinda like a bad oar or something truncated in a database
2014-09-17 21:36 <Plugh> I don't know if the error is a bad object or bad mesh or if it is a code bug resulting from using a var with loads of objects (> 140,000)
2014-09-17 21:36 <dahlia> only 140k? :P
2014-09-17 21:37 <Plugh> hehe
2014-09-17 21:37 <Plugh> It is a 10x10 var
2014-09-17 21:39 <Plugh> The only other option is to have the serializer return an error instead of throwing an exception and have the error propagate up the chain to where a more useful error could be reported (such as the origin of the data).
2014-09-17 21:39 <dahlia> you could search where it's called and add try/catch
2014-09-17 21:40 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-09-17 21:40 <Plugh> prevent the exception there and see if something else chokes?
2014-09-17 21:40 <dahlia> if you catch from where it's called you probably also have the UUID in scope 
2014-09-17 21:41 <Plugh> yeah. That is what would be useful
2014-09-17 21:42 <Plugh> I can't work on OS coding that easily right now as my desktop is not working and I'm stuck using a Windows based laptop.
2014-09-17 21:43 <dahlia> oh :) I'd think visual studio would be a good IDE for finding where it's called :) *ducks*
2014-09-17 21:43 <dahlia> 
ACTION runs away quickly from the angry tux t-shirt clad mobs...

2014-09-17 21:44 <Plugh> The data isn't on my own machine.
2014-09-17 21:44 <Plugh> hehe
2014-09-17 21:44 <dahlia> there's probably a call stack of some sort showing what called deserialize before it threw
2014-09-17 21:45 <Plugh> I think I can do something. One of the remote machines is running Linux and has the code environment set up for the grid. I can do the searches and building there and copy the code over to the machine running the instance with the issue.
2014-09-17 21:46 <Plugh> Nothing useful. The machines running the instance is a Windows box so it isn't running OS with --debug.
2014-09-17 21:46 <dahlia> oh if you compile on visual studio with debug mode it shows all kinds of line numbers and other nice stuff
2014-09-17 21:47 <Plugh> It will be a pita to do the build on my Windows box so I can use VS to do the build then upload the OS binaries to the remote windows box.
2014-09-17 21:47 <Plugh> The remote machine does the build using xbuild
2014-09-17 21:48 <Plugh> I thought the default build was for debug.
2014-09-17 21:48 <dahlia> you build with mono and run on windows?
2014-09-17 21:48 <dahlia> mono debug info is different than .net
2014-09-17 21:48 <dahlia> they aren't compatible
2014-09-17 21:48 <Ubit> hmm varsize is not to add more prims :)
2014-09-17 21:48 <Ubit> 140K ?  outch :)
2014-09-17 21:50 <Plugh> Ubit: 145,722prims
2014-09-17 21:50 <Ubit> and viewers show them? :)
2014-09-17 21:51 <Plugh> AFAIK. I don't have my draw distance set that high
2014-09-17 21:51 <Ubit> opensim sends all...  doesn't have aurora culling
2014-09-17 21:52 <dahlia> viewers do culling internally
2014-09-17 21:52 <Ubit> on view yeap..  but get the things
2014-09-17 21:52 <dahlia> they dont get assets, just prims
2014-09-17 21:53 <Ubit> yeap hopefully they will not ask for textures, etc   but 'just' 145k prims? :)
2014-09-17 21:53 <dahlia> There's probably single non-var regions out there with > 145k prims :P
2014-09-17 21:54 <Plugh> Ubit, It is a nice test of vars running a 10x10. ;)
2014-09-17 21:54 <Ubit> :)
2014-09-17 21:54 <Plugh> dahlia: sure. Ones of nebadons where he builds one of his klien bottles or sierpinski triangles
2014-09-17 21:55 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/oars/sierpinski_triangle_122572_prims_01.oar
2014-09-17 21:56 <Plugh> you've had more prims than that, iirc, nebadon
2014-09-17 21:56 <nebadon> i did a million cubes once
2014-09-17 21:56 <Ubit> :)
2014-09-17 21:56 <dahlia> BlueWall: test on windows? did you do any non-.NET api stuff?
2014-09-17 21:56 <BlueWall> no
2014-09-17 21:56 <BlueWall> but, it never hurts to test
2014-09-17 21:57 <dahlia> how would one know?
2014-09-17 21:57 <BlueWall> it will blow up??
2014-09-17 21:57 <BlueWall> hehe
2014-09-17 21:57 <dahlia> :P
2014-09-17 21:58 <Plugh> dahlia, umm... yea I suppose I am building with mono and running under native windows .net. If debug info is different between the two that will mean the tracebacks will not be useful
2014-09-17 21:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #3815 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-09-17 21:59 <dahlia> Plugh: dunno. I build on windows and run on mono. I get managed stack trace but no line numbers
2014-09-17 22:01 <Plugh> dahlia, there is a limit to how much red text spew you get at a time. If there is any traceback it isn't showing as the text is cut off.
2014-09-17 22:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3815: FAILURE in 6 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3815/
2014-09-17 22:01 <osjenkins> jamesh: Small changes to threading to send thread names to unmanaged threads. Needs Mono 3.6+ to see thread names in utilities like top -H . Some formatting of the thread name to fin in the 16 byte limit on Linux. Please test on Windows to see if the work has any adverse effects.
2014-09-17 22:01 <BlueWall> 0.0
2014-09-17 22:01 <Plugh> yea, it cuts off right after it gets to "xml was "
2014-09-17 22:02 <dahlia> maybe xml was ""
2014-09-17 22:02 <dahlia> an empty string
2014-09-17 22:02 <Plugh> I'm thinking it might have been either a NULL pointer or an empty string.
2014-09-17 22:03 <Plugh> The code should really detect either situation and deal with it.
2014-09-17 22:04 <Ubit> be happy it did detect a error :p
2014-09-17 22:04 <dahlia> it threw :)
2014-09-17 22:04 <dahlia> sounds like it detected it
2014-09-17 22:04 <Plugh> Ubit, I'd be happier if it didn't have the error in the first place  :)
2014-09-17 22:06 <Ubit> :)
2014-09-17 22:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #3816 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #3814 4 days 23 hr ago)
2014-09-17 22:08 <BlueWall> I'll revert that for now until I can see what is making it fail on Jenkins
2014-09-17 22:08 <Plugh> Can't find string "Root element is missing" :P
2014-09-17 22:10 <Ubit> man.. its says its missing..  duhhhh
2014-09-17 22:10 <Ubit> hihihihi
2014-09-17 22:10 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2014-09-17 22:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3816: FIXED in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3816/
2014-09-17 22:10 <osjenkins> jamesh: Revert "Small changes to threading to send thread names to unmanaged threads. Needs Mono 3.6+ to see thread names in utilities like top -H . Some formatting of the thread name to fin in the 16 byte limit on Linux. Please test on Windows to see if the work has any adverse effects."
2014-09-17 22:10 <Plugh> ok, it must be coming from SceneObjectSerializer.cs
2014-09-17 22:12 <Plugh> I see the line. The part I was looking for is an arg to a print statement so the error comes from something else (probably a library)
2014-09-17 22:13 <BlueWall> OK, code seems allright, one of the unit tests is trying to change the thread name after being set before.
2014-09-17 22:13 <BlueWall> That was one of the code chages, trying to name all the threads so we can tell wher they are coming from.
2014-09-17 22:14 <dahlia> arent the threads all shared from one of several threadpools tho?
2014-09-17 22:14 <BlueWall> they are
2014-09-17 22:14 <BlueWall> some
2014-09-17 22:14 <dahlia> and mono has an internal threadpool also
2014-09-17 22:14 <BlueWall> some are directly created
2014-09-17 22:15 <dahlia> if you directly create a thread its still served by a threadpool in mono
2014-09-17 22:16 <dahlia> so if you name it it doesnt mean that the thread is executing what the name implies because the threadpool could have swapped it to another thread since it was named
2014-09-17 22:16 <BlueWall> I think it only names those once
2014-09-17 22:17 <BlueWall> I ran it for hours here w/o issue
2014-09-17 22:17 <dahlia> yes but the threadpool can swap to other threads
2014-09-17 22:18 <Plugh> The serializer is already using try/catch and returns null if the try failed. The calling routine must check for null return and not do anything further so it doesn't report what object had bad(?) data.
2014-09-17 22:18 <Plugh> The code isn't checking for empty string before it tries to parse the xml data
2014-09-17 22:18 <dahlia> ya it prolly should
2014-09-17 22:18 <BlueWall> back in a bit
2014-09-17 22:19 <Plugh> dahlia: I agree
2014-09-17 22:22 <Plugh> hm... if the code doesn't find RootPart in xml it throws an exception inside the try/catch?? That doesn't seem like the right thing to do.
2014-09-17 22:23 <AliciaRaven> that is what causes opensim to throw the error for aurora oar files, they dont create the rootpart tag atall
2014-09-17 22:26 <dahlia> should be able to detect root part by parentId == 0
2014-09-17 22:26 <Plugh> Can't do anything more on this now. Dinner is ready.
2014-09-17 22:26 <Plugh> It should check for that xmldata is not an empty string before it begins the process of trying to parse the data.
2014-09-17 22:27 <Plugh> bbl.
2014-09-17 22:39 <AliciaRaven> anyone know why i would be seeing this message when rezzing a scripted object from inventory... [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: cross region transfer failed for object cc65b099-3f1a-4193-b163-d0cb23bd6bd7
2014-09-17 22:39 <AliciaRaven> isnt that hypergrid warning?
2014-09-17 22:40 <Ubit> sounds more like a region cross
2014-09-17 22:41 <justincc> AliciaRaven: yeah, sounds like object is trying to cross a region bound
2014-09-17 22:41 <AliciaRaven> no crossing, just standing in a region and dropping something from inventory, the script inside resets and looses its state
2014-09-17 22:41 <justincc> BlueWall: why would you need to set the thread name in a scene constructor?
2014-09-17 22:42 <justincc> script doesn't do anything like immediately try and shoot the object into a neighbouring regon?
2014-09-17 22:43 <AliciaRaven> nope, its a bottle script so when its rezzed it looses its contents
2014-09-17 22:43 <AliciaRaven> that error pops up on the console as it happens, no movment atall of the prim
2014-09-17 22:43 <justincc> AliciaRaven: is this in a normal region, mega or var?
2014-09-17 22:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #3817 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2014-09-17 22:44 <AliciaRaven> 4x4 var, it does work on other regions that are also var, and have same ini files
2014-09-17 22:44 <AliciaRaven> no, 2x2 var sorry
2014-09-17 22:45 <justincc> ok, not sure why that would be happening
2014-09-17 22:45 <justincc> but message is defeinitely associated with prim trying to cross into a neighbour region for some reason
2014-09-17 22:46 <AliciaRaven> strange behaviour then as there is no movement code in the script
2014-09-17 22:47 <justincc> I presume it doesn't happen with any other object?
2014-09-17 22:47 <AliciaRaven> restart might sort things out
2014-09-17 22:47 <AliciaRaven> same script but different copies, rezzes ok on the other regions i tried
2014-09-17 22:48 <justincc> and object isn't physical?
2014-09-17 22:48 <AliciaRaven> nope
2014-09-17 22:48 <justincc> how odd
2014-09-17 22:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3817: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3817/
2014-09-17 22:48 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Changes to be committed: modified: OpenSim/Region/Framework/Scenes/Scene.PacketHandlers.cs modified: OpenSim/Region/ScriptEngine/Shared/Api/Implementation/LSL_Api.cs This solves mantis bug# 5005: llRegionSay script does not trigger ChatFromWorld event. This was solved by adding World.SimChat() command to the llRegionSay() function (per suggestion of DrCuriosity). Additionally this fixes llRegionSayTo() which was also not functioning b
2014-09-17 22:48 <justincc> was object previous worn as an attachment at any time?
2014-09-17 22:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #3818 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-09-17 22:48 <AliciaRaven> dont think so
2014-09-17 22:48 <justincc> ok, I'm out of suggestions again then :)
2014-09-17 22:48 <justincc> as you say, trying a restart is always good
2014-09-17 22:48 <justincc> turn it off and on again ;)
2014-09-17 22:49 <AliciaRaven> lol
2014-09-17 22:49 <AliciaRaven> btw i added a fourth patch for the iar stuff, hope thats ok
2014-09-17 22:49 <AliciaRaven> to fix the points u raised
2014-09-17 22:50 <justincc> no worires.  Apologies I probably won't get to it tonight but I hope to soon
2014-09-17 22:50 <AliciaRaven> k no prob, im busy swearing at JQuery tonight lol
2014-09-17 22:50 <justincc> heh
2014-09-17 22:50 <AliciaRaven> would help if i knew more javascript i guess
2014-09-17 22:51 <AllenKerensky> no, not really - even if you know javascript - javascript is so crazy on its own you still swear at it
2014-09-17 22:51 <justincc> I must admit I'm not a fan of js
2014-09-17 22:51 <AllenKerensky> ",,," == new array(4) <--- LOLWUT?
2014-09-17 22:52 <AllenKerensky> Me: gimme an INT! Javascript: NO!
2014-09-17 22:52 <osmantis> Bug #5005:04 [PATCH] llRegionSay() script function does not trigger a ChatFromWorldEvent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5005 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-09-17 22:52 <AllenKerensky> i thought Java's lack of unsigned int types was bad - then I met JavaScript
2014-09-17 22:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3818: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3818/
2014-09-17 22:52 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add eeyore to contributors
2014-09-17 22:52 <AliciaRaven> yep i descriped javascript as a cluster f@#& of confusion and bad formatting
2014-09-17 23:00 <smxy> Tell us how you *really* feel. :)
2014-09-17 23:00 <BlueWall> justincc, I think it shows up as mono-sgen w/o doing that.
2014-09-17 23:01 <justincc> if you rename iu nthe scene constructor you'lljust keep renaming the same thread anyway
2014-09-17 23:01 <BlueWall> is that what made the unit test fail?
2014-09-17 23:01 <justincc> that simply the main startup thread
2014-09-17 23:01 <BlueWall> I didn't get time to dig into that
2014-09-17 23:01 <BlueWall> ok
2014-09-17 23:02 <justincc> tests failed at that line, yes
2014-09-17 23:02 <justincc> I would be surprised if it didn't also fail on any simulator with more than one region
2014-09-17 23:02 <BlueWall> I'll remove that at do the test here
2014-09-17 23:02 <BlueWall> it would, this had one
2014-09-17 23:02 <BlueWall> let me do that and test it here
2014-09-17 23:02 <BlueWall> thanks for the info
2014-09-17 23:03 <justincc> thanks for looking into this
2014-09-17 23:03 <BlueWall> sure
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2014-09-17 23:44 <osmantis> Bug #7319:04 XEngine Errors, Can't access an unloaded application domain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7319 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-18 00:02 <zacdev> hello i am making a join page and done the registeration and want to make the 10 avatars that when the register choose it will give him the defualt 
2014-09-18 00:02 <zacdev> avatar that i make ( this like Male Female Neutral Avatars that Diva made) but i am using the opensim core last version and wonder how can i make and 
2014-09-18 00:02 <zacdev> what users names that it will give for the defualt avatars when i make them
2014-09-18 00:02 <zacdev>  i have seen this tutorial but did not get my answer for our opensim core code and how we can do that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU66Sl_2G5c
2014-09-18 00:02 <zacdev>  my UI is differnent from the tutorial i post above
2014-09-18 00:03 <AllenKerensky> I don't think Core supports what you are looking for - you can install the Diva Wifi module on a core build OpenSim with or without Robust 
2014-09-18 00:03 <AllenKerensky> use these instructions for that http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Wifi
2014-09-18 00:04 <AllenKerensky> but that Wifi only supports the 3 choices unless you modify the source code and related HTML pages
2014-09-18 00:06 <zacdev> AllenKerensky: but i have completly differnt UI i made
2014-09-18 00:07 <AllenKerensky> if you are writing your own - then you create whatever names or choices you want
2014-09-18 00:07 <zacdev> and how to sync  them to the code?
2014-09-18 00:07 <AllenKerensky> far too complex to explain via IRC
2014-09-18 00:08 <AllenKerensky> you will have to study the Wifi source and design that yourself
2014-09-18 00:08 <zacdev> is there any tutorials?
2014-09-18 00:08 <AllenKerensky> do you know C# programming?
2014-09-18 00:08 <AllenKerensky> You might have to start there
2014-09-18 00:09 <BlueWall> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Custom_Libraries
2014-09-18 00:09 <AllenKerensky> or maybe Diva has some secret background magic way for her code to support more than 3 base choices - she would have to explain that
2014-09-18 00:09 <AllenKerensky> or you would have to discover it by learning her code
2014-09-18 00:10 <BlueWall> that tells about getting some default assets into the system
2014-09-18 00:10 <AllenKerensky> thanks BlueWall but I think zacdev was asking for more - how to give a Wifi like front end to allow choice of 10 avs rather than just Male, Female, Neutral
2014-09-18 00:10 <BlueWall> then you can find information about creating the avatars
2014-09-18 00:10 <BlueWall> I think you can see it in the OpenSim unit test code too
2014-09-18 00:11 <zacdev> yes i can manage c# and thank you both AllenKerensky and BlueWall
2014-09-18 00:11 <BlueWall> but, yeah, get Diva's distro and "use the source Luke"
2014-09-18 00:11 <BlueWall> look for NewAccount, something like that
2014-09-18 00:12 <AllenKerensky> or search that source for Male Avatar, Female Avatar, and Neutral Avatar
2014-09-18 00:12 <zacdev> ok looking in the page
2014-09-18 00:14 <osmantis> Bug #7326:04 llSleep crashes scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7326 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-18 00:16 <osmantis> Bug #7326:04 llSleep crashes scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7326 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-09-18 00:17 <BlueWall> https://github.com/opensim/opensim/blob/738c60459c0721a2559274f6f6af1f556bda88c2/OpenSim/Services/UserAccountService/UserAccountService.cs#L552
2014-09-18 00:18 <BlueWall> zacdev, that might help you out too
2014-09-18 00:19 <zacdev> BlueWall:  do i have keep adding them at AssetID = new UUID("4bb6fa4d-1cd2-498a-a84c-95c1a0e745a7");
2014-09-18 00:20 <BlueWall> whatever your asset numbers are, yes
2014-09-18 00:20 <BlueWall> the opensim wiki link has tools to get those into the system library (or you may upload them with a special avatar)
2014-09-18 00:21 <BlueWall> The SL library is owned by Alexandria Linden
2014-09-18 00:21 <BlueWall> (Library of Alexandrea)
2014-09-18 00:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #3819 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-09-18 00:24 <zacdev> BlueWall:  dose that have to do anything with Library of Alexandrea?
2014-09-18 00:24 <BlueWall> just a little SecondLife trivia
2014-09-18 00:25 <BlueWall> lol
2014-09-18 00:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3819: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3819/
2014-09-18 00:26 <osjenkins> * jamesh: Undo "Revert "Small changes to threading to send thread names to unmanaged threads. Needs Mono 3.6+ to see thread names in utilities like top -H . Some formatting of the thread name to fin in the 16 byte limit on Linux. Please test on Windows to see if the work has any adverse effects.""
2014-09-18 00:26 <osjenkins> * jamesh: This fixes the Scene thread renaming issue
2014-09-18 00:26 <zacdev> lol
2014-09-18 00:26 <BlueWall> Alexandrea Linden owns the SecondLife Library
2014-09-18 00:26 <zacdev> hahahah i was thinking to changing there
2014-09-18 00:54 <zadark> Bluewall, at least it does not explode on windows, anything specific with regards to adverse effects??
2014-09-18 00:58 <BlueWall> nope, just wanted to get some feedback
2014-09-18 00:58 <BlueWall> You might see if the threads are named in the process table
2014-09-18 00:59 <BlueWall> afk for a bit
2014-09-18 02:23 <zadark> Bluewall, my stuff generates html ouput of the thread list for a given process, from what I can see thread names are not included. Here is the html for the output report, sorry cannot provide access to our web servers. http://pastebin.com/tq4SA9h7
2014-09-18 02:53 <BlueWall> ok, thanks
2014-09-18 05:42 <Velus> hey who is about?
2014-09-18 05:42 <Velus> is the lsl language in secondlife the same in opensim and also is all the fucntions usable in opensim
2014-09-18 05:52 <dahlia> Velus: the language implementations are quite similar. OpenSim doesn't have the memory limitations that SL has so your scripts can use more memory. Most of the ll* functions are implemented in OpenSim but a few might be different. We also have extented functions that SL doesn't have (the os* functions)
2014-09-18 05:53 <dahlia> Many scripts originally written in SL will work, some may need a few tweaks first
2014-09-18 05:53 <Velus> ok thanks dahlia, one question say i want a script to get a users info like there userd id (uuid) what function would i need, 
2014-09-18 05:54 <dahlia> hmmm cant remember offhand, I'm guessing llGetKey()
2014-09-18 05:54 <dahlia> or maybe llGetObjectDetails()
2014-09-18 05:57 <Velus> might be getkey as the objectdetails would be for the object and not the user correct?
2014-09-18 05:57 <dahlia> oh maybe you need the key for details
2014-09-18 05:57 <dahlia> but details should work for users also
2014-09-18 05:58 <Velus> ok
2014-09-18 06:03 <Velus> how easy would it be to have a lsl script go to a php page with data and display results, the php page will have a mysql query to get data and then return data, it will also be able to update and add data too
2014-09-18 06:06 <dahlia> 
ACTION is not a web person but is aware that there are lsl<->php example scripts out there in the interwebz

2014-09-18 06:08 <MarcusLlew> Might want to just peruse the SL wiki's scripting section. It can give you all the answers you need in a much more information rich fashion than IRC. 
2014-09-18 06:33 <arfonzo> ahoy all
2014-09-18 06:34 <arfonzo> Velus: I've done similar using a web service to generate JSON from mysql queries, which I then parse within LSL. It's definitely do-able, without too much hassle. I'd expect PHP to be similar.
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2014-09-18 07:56 <Velus> arfonzo, can i talk to you in private please
2014-09-18 18:12 <AllenKerensky> Can someone refresh my aged and useless memory with a link to the details on how to do the custom dialog module, XML, and such for OpenSim?
2014-09-18 18:27 <AllenKerensky> Never mind, think I found it - Use the Source, Luke!
2014-09-18 18:36 <Ubit> :)
2014-09-18 20:41 <Velus> arfonzo, you about?
2014-09-18 21:34 <magnetar> Need some guidance on making a custom serviceInConnector for Robust working for opensim.exe as service for the simulator, not just a region. How to tell opensim.ini to load my dll? I just put one line in [ServiceList] of Robust.ini, and it work. What do I need to do to make it work for people running in standalone mode?
2014-09-18 21:38 <Velus> dahlia, you about
2014-09-18 22:04 <magnetar> I probably need to develop some sort of stub class implementing ISharedRegionModule  and load my service connector dll there.
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2014-09-19 13:49 <osmantis> Bug #7327:04 delete-region <name> and admin_delete_region does not completely remove a region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7327 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-09-19 19:15 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, u there?
2014-09-19 19:24 <osmantis> Bug #7319:04 XEngine Errors, Can't access an unloaded application domain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7319 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-19 19:29 <osmantis> Bug #7319:04 XEngine Errors, Can't access an unloaded application domain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7319 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-19 19:35 <osmantis> Bug #7319:04 XEngine Errors, Can't access an unloaded application domain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7319 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-19 19:58 <AliciaRaven> anyone have a HG region up that i could try to teleport to? id like to know if any errors show up on their side
2014-09-19 20:07 <zadark_afk> hg.viewtwo.net:8654: (small, simple and available)
2014-09-19 20:09 <zadark_afk> I can see you on the console, bit slow
2014-09-19 20:09 <AliciaRaven> couldnt get it, viewer says..
2014-09-19 20:09 <AliciaRaven> Could not teleport.
2014-09-19 20:09 <AliciaRaven> Problems connecting to destination hrethra, reason: Connection between viewer and destination region could not be established
2014-09-19 20:09 <AliciaRaven> no errors show up?
2014-09-19 20:10 <zadark_afk> Warnings if anything, indicating a slow connection
2014-09-19 20:10 <zadark_afk> people here earlier, so assume ok
2014-09-19 20:10 <AliciaRaven> most times i get there but nothing loads, that time i couldnt get past the teleport screen
2014-09-19 20:10 <AliciaRaven> problem is my side some where, people can get in but not out
2014-09-19 20:11 <AliciaRaven> thanks for letting my test it out, will need to check my settings again
2014-09-19 20:11 <zadark_afk> could try, dwgrid.nl:8002: I know that is a quick server
2014-09-19 20:11 <smxy> when I see that, I try again and it often connects on the second attempt.
2014-09-19 20:12 <AliciaRaven> second time i try it says Could not teleport. Unable to verify identity
2014-09-19 20:13 <zadark_afk> let me try access your region, I can see the url on the console
2014-09-19 20:14 <AliciaRaven> k
2014-09-19 20:14 <zadark_afk> attempting now
2014-09-19 20:14 <zadark_afk> underwater
2014-09-19 22:10 <AliciaRaven> if standard login service and grid info service are on port 80, do any hg services also need to be on those ports?
2014-09-19 22:27 <zadark_afk> When I change a service port that is normally 8002 to some other, then I change all the port 8002 allocations, that includes 8002 port allocations in the service list.
2014-09-19 22:28 <smxy> same with 8003
2014-09-19 22:28 <zadark_afk> yes smxy
2014-09-19 22:28 <smxy> my grid, for example was shifted to 8012/8013
2014-09-19 22:29 <smxy> you have to change them all
2014-09-19 22:29 <zadark_afk> I have seen people miss changes to the service list
2014-09-19 22:29 <smxy> Globa search and replace, FTW. :)
2014-09-19 22:29 <smxy> Global*
2014-09-19 22:30 <zadark_afk> You can set individually, but you need to be familiar with what service goes with what
2014-09-19 22:32 <AliciaRaven> might try all hg stuff on port 80
2014-09-19 22:32 <smxy> why screw with it?
2014-09-19 22:32 <smxy> I only changed mine as I already had another grid on the usual ports.
2014-09-19 22:33 <AliciaRaven> im not screwing with it, i just never had hypergrid enabled before
2014-09-19 22:34 <smxy> But enabling it doesn't require changing any port numbers.
2014-09-19 22:34 <zadark_afk> I think if you change all the 8002 stuff to 80 it should work, 
2014-09-19 22:34 <AliciaRaven> it may require changing port numbers because ive always used 80 for logins
2014-09-19 22:35 <smxy> Ah, you *already* screwed with it. Gotcha. :)
2014-09-19 22:36 <AliciaRaven> better to have a clean loggin uri than have 8002 on the end, i dont consider that screwing with anything
2014-09-19 22:36 <zadark_afk> Remeber also to make sure that the region ports in gridcommon match up
2014-09-19 22:42 <smxy> My comment was mostly tongue-in-cheek. :) Often, when folks stray from the defaults, they screw it up, then blam OpenSim. If you've changed them in the past, and are just adding more services that also need changing, you'll probably be okay, as you seem o know what you're doing. I'm amazed at how many people run this software without any clue whatsoever, though.
2014-09-19 22:45 <AliciaRaven> would help if the wiki was upto date and matched the latest version of robust.hg.ini.example lol
2014-09-19 22:46 <smxy> Now you're just dreaming. :)
2014-09-19 22:47 <smxy> Should be easy to spot what needs changing by diffing the hg and non-hg versions of the robust and grid configs.
2014-09-19 22:48 <smxy> Then find those things in your condigs and change them.
2014-09-19 22:48 <smxy> configs*
2014-09-19 22:48 <nebadon> 
ACTION makes a note that AliciaRaven has volunteered to update the wiki :P

2014-09-19 22:49 <smxy> hehehe
2014-09-19 22:49 <AliciaRaven> yes for my changes to iar files when justin applies the patches lol
2014-09-19 22:50 <AliciaRaven> when i get this fixed i might update hypergrid also :)
2014-09-19 22:50 <smxy> I've really got to go find where IARs were added and compared that code to now, so I can fgure out how to eliminate or override the password requirement.
2014-09-19 22:51 <smxy> Wow, I can't spell/type today.
2014-09-19 22:51 <AliciaRaven> i have that done smxy on my grid, can point u to where u need to edit if u want?
2014-09-19 22:51 <zadark_afk> When you do, update the wiki...
2014-09-19 22:52 <smxy> I would be most grateful, AliciaRaven. I want to be able to make them nightly as another layer of backups in-between the DB and OARs.
2014-09-19 22:53 <AliciaRaven> i dont see why IAR files check the password, its done region side so its pointless
2014-09-19 22:53 <AliciaRaven> looking for in my code now
2014-09-19 22:54 <AliciaRaven> look inside InventoryArchiverModule.cs for the method GetUserInfo, i think it was there
2014-09-19 22:54 <smxy> Yes, that's where I was poking around last.
2014-09-19 22:55 <smxy> I'm not a C# programmer, so I go slow until I understand what I'm looking at and how to correctly change it. :)
2014-09-19 22:57 <AliciaRaven> all u need to do is delete the try catch in that method, then when u call it enter a dummy password, i didnt go as far as removing passwords all together, just the part where it checks it
2014-09-19 22:57 <smxy> ah
2014-09-19 22:58 <AliciaRaven> make sure u return account tho after deleting the try catch
2014-09-19 22:58 <AliciaRaven> the method returns account if successful and null if the password failed
2014-09-19 22:58 <smxy> ok
2014-09-19 22:59 <nebadon> smxy
2014-09-19 22:59 <nebadon> are you running the latest wifi?
2014-09-19 22:59 <smxy> yes
2014-09-19 22:59 <smxy> you can load IARs there
2014-09-19 22:59 <nebadon> there is an option i beleive to set a master password
2014-09-19 22:59 <nebadon> so you can log into the grid as any user
2014-09-19 22:59 <nebadon> may work with iars as well
2014-09-19 22:59 <smxy> ORLY?
2014-09-19 22:59 <nebadon> ya let me look for variable 1 sec
2014-09-19 23:00 <diva> yeah, it's undocumented, but I added it. It should go under AuthenticationService
2014-09-19 23:00 <diva> This requires that you have Wifi and the Diva extensions on
2014-09-19 23:00 <smxy> I should have all your stuff.
2014-09-19 23:01 <smxy> I build it with opensim.
2014-09-19 23:01 <nebadon> ya the variable is > MasterPassword = whateveryouwant
2014-09-19 23:01 <nebadon> in that section diva mentioned
2014-09-19 23:01 <diva> yes, under [AuthenticationService] in the Robust configurations
2014-09-19 23:01 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, do u have a hg region up?
2014-09-19 23:01 <nebadon> yes
2014-09-19 23:01 <diva> life saver for fixing assorted user problems
2014-09-19 23:01 <nebadon> http://grid.nebadon2025.com:8002
2014-09-19 23:02 <smxy> ok
2014-09-19 23:02 <smxy> but that's usable outside of Wifi?
2014-09-19 23:02 <nebadon> no
2014-09-19 23:02 <diva> no
2014-09-19 23:02 <nebadon> not currently
2014-09-19 23:02 <diva> I mean
2014-09-19 23:02 <diva> You can use it to login to the world as another person
2014-09-19 23:02 <diva> with the viewer
2014-09-19 23:02 <diva> it just requires the Diva dlls
2014-09-19 23:02 <nebadon> ah ya true
2014-09-19 23:02 <diva> it's not in core
2014-09-19 23:02 <smxy> Ok, that won't let me programmatically make IARs for my residents from a script run out of cron.
2014-09-19 23:03 <smxy> Which is what I do for OARs now.
2014-09-19 23:03 <nebadon> why not?
2014-09-19 23:03 <smxy> I could, if it weren't for the password requirement.
2014-09-19 23:03 <nebadon> thats why i was saying use the master password
2014-09-19 23:04 <diva> use the master password
2014-09-19 23:04 <smxy> And I asked if that was usable outside of Wifi and you both said no.
2014-09-19 23:04 <nebadon> oh but if your running wifi it will work
2014-09-19 23:04 <nebadon> you dont do it from the website
2014-09-19 23:04 <nebadon> its just part of wifi
2014-09-19 23:04 <nebadon> iar from console will be the same
2014-09-19 23:04 <diva> it's part of the Diva dlls, to be precise
2014-09-19 23:04 <nebadon> you just use the master password instead of theirs
2014-09-19 23:04 <diva> your robust that does authentication needs to run the Diva Authentication service
2014-09-19 23:05 <smxy> Then it should work for me. Let me add it, restart robust and try it.
2014-09-19 23:05 <nebadon> k cool ya should work i cant say ive tested it but it should
2014-09-19 23:05 <diva> you probably need to chenge the dll of the Authentication service in your Robust
2014-09-19 23:05 <diva> this:
2014-09-19 23:05 <diva> LocalServiceModule = "OpenSim.Services.AuthenticationService.dll:PasswordAuthenticationService"
2014-09-19 23:06 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, that hg link dosnt show up, my config is broke but usualy it will find the region and start the tp
2014-09-19 23:06 <diva> sould be mine: "Diva.OpenSimServices.dll:PasswordAuthenticationService"
2014-09-19 23:06 <nebadon> let me test from OSCC
2014-09-19 23:07 <smxy> changing that line now.
2014-09-19 23:07 <nebadon> hmm
2014-09-19 23:07 <nebadon> machine isnt responding
2014-09-19 23:09 <smxy> should the password be in double quotes?
2014-09-19 23:10 <diva> I don't think it matters unless you have spaces in it
2014-09-19 23:10 <smxy> ok
2014-09-19 23:10 <diva> I have it in double quotes though
2014-09-19 23:11 <smxy> Then I will too.
2014-09-19 23:11 <nebadon> AliciaRaven 1 sec restarting stuff
2014-09-19 23:11 <AliciaRaven> k thanks nebadon
2014-09-19 23:12 <diva> smxy are you doing automated backups for your users, is that it?
2014-09-19 23:12 <diva> (that's a good use of this)
2014-09-19 23:14 <nebadon> ok AliciaRaven you should be able to reach my grid now
2014-09-19 23:14 <AliciaRaven> k trying..
2014-09-19 23:14 <smxy> It's making the IAR using the master password. Awesome. Thank you Diva and Nebadon. :) Now I can script this up.
2014-09-19 23:14 <nebadon> that didnt look good AliciaRaven
2014-09-19 23:14 <nebadon> great smxy
2014-09-19 23:14 <diva> cool
2014-09-19 23:14 <AliciaRaven> found it, trying to tp in now, this is where it usualy goes wrong
2014-09-19 23:15 <nebadon> ya you did not make it
2014-09-19 23:15 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, that time i was bounced back to my grid, usualy i land in an empty region with only water or grey land
2014-09-19 23:15 <diva> smxy just for being 100% sure things are secure, try making an iar with some bogus password -- it should fail
2014-09-19 23:16 <smxy> I will, after this one finishes createg ... they have a ton of stuff, LOL.
2014-09-19 23:17 <smxy> What options would be best to use, so that I make a goos IAR for recovery purposes?
2014-09-19 23:17 <smxy> good*
2014-09-19 23:17 <nebadon> if its same grid a standard oar is fine
2014-09-19 23:17 <smxy> IAR :)
2014-09-19 23:18 <nebadon> ya sorry
2014-09-19 23:18 <nebadon> same applies though iar or oar if its same grid the stock is best
2014-09-19 23:18 <nebadon> most of the other options are for preserving certain data when moved to other grids
2014-09-19 23:18 <smxy> I don't know what "standard" is. I just used the minimal needed and backed up their inventory at /
2014-09-19 23:18 <nebadon> right
2014-09-19 23:18 <nebadon> thats standard
2014-09-19 23:18 <smxy> ok
2014-09-19 23:18 <AliciaRaven> i use --noassets and then make sure the asset db is backed up separatly, that way iar files are created alot faster and use less resources
2014-09-19 23:19 <AliciaRaven> smaller iar files aswell, no good if u want to use them on another grid tho
2014-09-19 23:20 <smxy> Unlike making an OAR, I can do these at any region console in the grid, right?
2014-09-19 23:20 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, any messages on ur console that might explain what is going wrong?
2014-09-19 23:20 <AliciaRaven> yep any region console
2014-09-19 23:21 <nebadon> all it said on my region console was Unauthorized Caps client and a uuid
2014-09-19 23:21 <smxy> and it's essentially a tar file, right?
2014-09-19 23:21 <nebadon> in Yellow
2014-09-19 23:21 <nebadon> its a tar.gz
2014-09-19 23:21 <smxy> oh good. I won't compress it then. :)
2014-09-19 23:22 <nebadon> yes that would be fruitless
2014-09-19 23:22 <smxy> it would actually grow
2014-09-19 23:22 <nebadon> maybe ya
2014-09-19 23:23 <diva> AliciaRaven, nebadon that looks like firewall ot loopback issues -- the receiving sim can't authenticate the IP
2014-09-19 23:23 <diva> or
2014-09-19 23:23 <nebadon> ya thats what i am thinking loopback maybe
2014-09-19 23:24 <diva> meaning that IP where yuo are logging in gets registered as local net IP rather than externally accessible IP
2014-09-19 23:24 <nebadon> my server seems to have no problem resolving the url its provided
2014-09-19 23:24 <nebadon> ah ya
2014-09-19 23:24 <nebadon> you can ping your FQDN from the server console
2014-09-19 23:24 <nebadon> see what returns
2014-09-19 23:25 <diva> that tend to happen when your login server is in the same network as your client
2014-09-19 23:25 <AliciaRaven> my viewer and grid are on different machines
2014-09-19 23:25 <diva> but it's possible to circumvent it with some 'hosts' fu
2014-09-19 23:25 <diva> but are they on the same network? home net maybe?
2014-09-19 23:25 <AliciaRaven> nope
2014-09-19 23:26 <smxy> A message like this only means that something was slow, but nothing failed, right: 19:23:04 - [LOGHTTP]: Slow SynchronousRestObject request 4527 GET to http://sanctuary.homelinux.org:8013/assets/51d479b8-6c2b-4b07-be05-f87e32121d18 took 3955ms, 0ms writing,
2014-09-19 23:26 <diva> ok then. You can actually check in the debug messages in your login service
2014-09-19 23:26 <AliciaRaven> server is hosted
2014-09-19 23:26 <diva> the login message tells you the IP that it sees coming
2014-09-19 23:26 <diva> that IP needs to be externally accessible for HG to work
2014-09-19 23:27 <AliciaRaven> my standard login service is port 80, could that be an issue if HG is expecting 8002 somewhere?
2014-09-19 23:27 <diva> (or something like that)
2014-09-19 23:27 <diva> no
2014-09-19 23:27 <diva> although
2014-09-19 23:28 <diva> you have to put port 80 explicitly in URLs and stuff. This is not the Web where port 80 is assumed to be the default...
2014-09-19 23:28 <diva> port 80 is just like any other port here
2014-09-19 23:29 <AliciaRaven> not for standard logins, viewers default to 80, nebadon said hg will require port even if its 80 tho
2014-09-19 23:31 <nebadon> are you mixing the use of 80 and 8002
2014-09-19 23:31 <nebadon> i see on my robust console its trying to reach 8002
2014-09-19 23:32 <nebadon> also is this on your home connection?
2014-09-19 23:32 <AliciaRaven> no, all hg stuff is 8002 right now, the only services on port 80 are LLLoginService and GridInfoService
2014-09-19 23:32 <nebadon> I dont know any home based ISP that allows port 80 to be used
2014-09-19 23:32 <nebadon> they all block it
2014-09-19 23:32 <AliciaRaven> the grid server is not my home connection, its hosted
2014-09-19 23:32 <nebadon> ok cool
2014-09-19 23:32 <AliciaRaven> hypergrid works for people comming in btw
2014-09-19 23:32 <nebadon> i was just trying that
2014-09-19 23:33 <nebadon> that makes it even more likely its a loopback issue
2014-09-19 23:33 <nebadon> well no
2014-09-19 23:33 <nebadon> if the server isnt local thats not true hmm
2014-09-19 23:33 <nebadon> i cant reach your grid btw
2014-09-19 23:33 <AliciaRaven> u cant? zadark was here a few hours ago
2014-09-19 23:33 <nebadon> teleport hasnt timed out yet buts also not going
2014-09-19 23:33 <nebadon> and i bounced back
2014-09-19 23:34 <nebadon> avatar is invisible
2014-09-19 23:34 <AliciaRaven> i see  [SCENE]: Found presence Nebadon.Izumi @grid.nebadon2025.com 1685f4c5-a4f9-46f8-a638-209d28bf07fd unexpectedly still child in Honeywood
2014-09-19 23:34 <nebadon> http://grid.spellscape.co.uk:8002 right?
2014-09-19 23:35 <AliciaRaven> yes, server has crashed tho
2014-09-19 23:35 <nebadon> eep
2014-09-19 23:35 <nebadon> sorry :|
2014-09-19 23:35 <AliciaRaven> lol its ok, starting up again, just greatful ur trying to help so its fine if the server chokes lol
2014-09-19 23:36 <AliciaRaven> starting backup, takes a while because of the scripts tho
2014-09-19 23:36 <nebadon> ok
2014-09-19 23:39 <smxy> It's *still* making this IAR .... wow.
2014-09-19 23:40 <nebadon> iars take forever
2014-09-19 23:40 <nebadon> big ones
2014-09-19 23:40 <nebadon> my osgrid iar took like 8.5 hours
2014-09-19 23:40 <smxy> 8000 assets and climbing
2014-09-19 23:40 <smxy> 8.5? Good Lord.
2014-09-19 23:40 <nebadon> its big like 2.8gb
2014-09-19 23:40 <nebadon> heh
2014-09-19 23:40 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, back up
2014-09-19 23:41 <nebadon> k
2014-09-19 23:41 <nebadon> ok looking better this time
2014-09-19 23:42 <nebadon> i made it
2014-09-19 23:42 <nebadon> content downloading
2014-09-19 23:54 <smxy> Clearly, I will not be making IArs on a night;y basis. Still going ... :)
2014-09-19 23:54 <smxy> perhaps weekly or monthly.
2014-09-19 23:54 <AliciaRaven> smxy they create very fast with --noassets
2014-09-19 23:55 <dahlia> they probably also go faster once all the assets are in your region cache
2014-09-19 23:56 <zadark_afk> Is there not a danger that assets could get out of sync when using noassets?
2014-09-19 23:57 <smxy> There, done. 18609 assets. 958MB
2014-09-20 00:00 <smxy> diva: yes, a bogus password fails.
2014-09-20 00:00 <diva> ok, great
2014-09-20 00:31 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GC0WKolLJ_Q
2014-09-20 00:31 <nebadon> lol
2014-09-20 00:34 <smxy> WTF is he doing?!?!?!
2014-09-20 00:34 <smxy> LOL
2014-09-20 00:34 <nebadon> hehe
2014-09-20 00:34 <smxy> OMG
2014-09-20 00:36 <nebadon> best video ever lol
2014-09-20 00:36 <smxy> I'm still not sure why he did that.
2014-09-20 00:36 <nebadon> the shock value lol
2014-09-20 00:36 <smxy> It worked!
2014-09-20 00:36 <nebadon> total payoff
2014-09-20 00:36 <nebadon> hehe
2014-09-20 00:37 <smxy> No often my jaw hits the floor.
2014-09-20 00:37 <nebadon> lol
2014-09-20 00:37 <nebadon> i imagine it hits apple fans much harder too
2014-09-20 00:37 <nebadon> lol
2014-09-20 00:38 <nebadon> im sure you could just rinse it off and its fine
2014-09-20 00:38 <nebadon> should be fairly water resistant
2014-09-20 00:39 <nebadon> the galaxy s5 you can dunk it in water for like 90 minutes while its still running
2014-09-20 00:39 <nebadon> and it will be fine
2014-09-20 00:42 <zadark_afk> I can think of someone that would really upset, our 'Apple Systems Administrator'. He asked me what I though of the new iPad, I said boring. The next day my Sun coffee mug was found smashed.. lol
2014-09-20 00:42 <nebadon> haha
2014-09-20 00:42 <smxy> Ouch.
2014-09-20 00:43 <zadark_afk> I will not show the vid, should my house burn down
2014-09-20 00:43 <Ubit> :)
2014-09-20 00:43 <smxy> lol
2014-09-20 00:45 <nebadon> mono 3.8 is out now btw
2014-09-20 00:45 <nebadon> works good so far for me
2014-09-20 00:46 <smxy> Is that Trunk or released?
2014-09-20 00:46 <nebadon> release
2014-09-20 00:47 <nebadon> you can get tarballs from their website
2014-09-20 00:47 <nebadon> they redid the website too
2014-09-20 00:47 <nebadon> i need to update my instructions
2014-09-20 00:47 <nebadon> there is new libgdiplus tarball too
2014-09-20 00:47 <smxy> Yeah. They screwed up the tarball last time, so we had to use Trunk.
2014-09-20 00:48 <smxy> Should probably add 3.8 to Mantis too.
2014-09-20 00:50 <smxy> Thanks for letting me know. I'll add that to my ToDo list.
2014-09-20 00:50 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44&p=45#p45
2014-09-20 00:51 <nebadon> should be right hopefully no mistakes
2014-09-20 00:51 <smxy> Same nursey size as before?
2014-09-20 00:51 <smxy> nursery
2014-09-20 00:51 <nebadon> yea
2014-09-20 00:53 <smxy> There's never a lack of things to do when running a grid.
2014-09-20 00:55 <nebadon> i had to space my var regions apart on my grid
2014-09-20 00:55 <nebadon> it was just too much content in view, was a bit ridiculous
2014-09-20 00:58 <zadark_afk> Mono 3.8 includes threadpool stuff introduced with Windows 8
2014-09-20 00:58 <nebadon> nice
2014-09-20 01:04 <Ubit> with win 8 or .net 4 ?
2014-09-20 01:05 <zadark_afk> I think that will be .Net 4.5
2014-09-20 01:05 <Ubit> think .net 4 already introduced threadpool changes
2014-09-20 01:08 <smxy> Adam West is 86 today. Damn.
2014-09-20 01:08 <zadark_afk> From what I have heard and yet to verify is that Visual Studio 2013 required with win 8.1 extentions (update 2)
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2014-09-20 01:37 <smxy> nebadon: okay, now I get why he did that to the iPhone. It's a video from ClickHole. :)
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2014-09-20 13:35 <osmantis> Bug #7327:04 delete-region <name> and admin_delete_region does not completely remove a region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7327 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-20 14:47 <lkalif> wow unity 5
2014-09-20 14:48 <lkalif> takes a while to download and start, but check it out
2014-09-20 14:48 <lkalif> http://www.replex.org/angrybots/
2014-09-20 14:48 <lkalif> no plugins, pure 100% html5 and webgl
2014-09-20 15:41 <smxy> That's pretty cool
2014-09-20 16:04 <nebadon> graphics are awesome lkalif
2014-09-20 16:05 <nebadon> one thing that really bothers me about webgl stuff is the movement keys and mouse stuff
2014-09-20 16:05 <smxy> You too?
2014-09-20 16:05 <smxy> I found it very hard to move around.
2014-09-20 16:05 <nebadon> ive never experineced anything in webgl where the movement feels right
2014-09-20 16:05 <nebadon> compared to like a normal video game
2014-09-20 16:06 <nebadon> like if the mouse goes outside the window
2014-09-20 16:06 <nebadon> its so easy to hit wrong keyn on keyboard and your browser goes back
2014-09-20 16:50 <ssm2017[Away]> http://www.twitch.tv/oculus/
2014-09-20 16:51 <ssm2017[Away]> oculus rift conference live now
2014-09-20 17:12 <lkalif> nebadon: the tech is pretty impressive
2014-09-20 17:12 <lkalif> unity game engine is c++, the scripts are c#
2014-09-20 17:12 <lkalif> it all gets compiled to c++ and then compiled to javascript
2014-09-20 17:13 <lkalif> so you basically write in c# and it cross-compiles for the browser javascript
2014-09-20 17:15 <nebadon> nice
2014-09-20 17:16 <lkalif> I'm really impressed with the technology they developed
2014-09-20 17:17 <diva> so, lkalif, the question is: can we do something like that but using the viewer/opensim as the editor of these scenes that are then shown on the web browser? I love the result of Unity work, but I don't love the process of creating that work in Unity
2014-09-20 17:18 <lkalif> I don't quite understand what you mean?
2014-09-20 17:19 <lkalif> Port viewer for the web? No. Don't think that's feasable.
2014-09-20 17:19 <lkalif> You could write an opensim client in Unity I guess
2014-09-20 17:20 <diva> take that game you have there on the replex web site. It was created in the Unity editor. Now imagine that instead of that, you would create it in an opensim environment -- all those assets/objects would be added using the normal viewer, but then rendered on a web browser as html5/webgl
2014-09-20 17:21 <lkalif> Yes, you could make a unity viewer. You'd need to make a new way for opensim to send the data
2014-09-20 17:21 <lkalif> As browsers are not capable of UDP and very limited on HTTP to.
2014-09-20 17:22 <diva> do we need a unity viewer? Can't we do it with a normal webgl viewer?
2014-09-20 17:23 <lkalif> webgl viewer from scratch? I suppose it's possible, but it's a huge task.
2014-09-20 17:25 <diva> we were talking about that some time ago in the opensim-dev mailing list -- MisterBlue was asking what ppl wanted to see in a viewer if we could start from sratch. I would love to be able to build environments using the build tools and collaborative environment of the SL viewer/opensim, but then deliver those environments (without build capabilities) on the web browser, as plain webgl
2014-09-20 17:25 <diva> so, for example, we would build that AngryBots game in opensim, but play it on the web
2014-09-20 17:26 <diva> multi-user by default, of course
2014-09-20 17:26 <lkalif> Yeah I understand. But building a viewer from scratch is a huge undertaking
2014-09-20 17:27 <diva> yeah
2014-09-20 17:27 <diva> I wonder if something can be reused somehow. Maybe parts of radegast compiled to JS
2014-09-20 17:28 <diva> with a different network component
2014-09-20 17:28 <lkalif> If I was doing it, I'd be using Unity
2014-09-20 17:28 <lkalif> it's the ultimate multi-platform tool
2014-09-20 17:28 <lkalif> you change change a setting or two, and you have an iPhone app, and Android app
2014-09-20 17:29 <lkalif> standalone pc / mac, or webgl
2014-09-20 17:29 <diva> I know, I made a few environments with Unity
2014-09-20 17:29 <diva> I love te result, but not the process of creating there
2014-09-20 17:29 <lkalif> That AngryBot is their stadard demo game... I just select output to WebGL and it just worked.
2014-09-20 17:30 <lkalif> (Unity 5 closed beta)
2014-09-20 17:30 <lkalif> dahlia has made unity viewer before, and corresponding opensim protocol
2014-09-20 17:30 <lkalif> but it was for a client iirc
2014-09-20 17:32 <diva> I know there are people working on webgl viewers too, but so far it's all closed source. I'm afraid I don't know enough about rendering to do something like that. And rendering is the core of such a viewer.
2014-09-20 17:34 <lkalif> Yeah, I know, I wrote the super-simple rendering engine in Radegast, just to see what is involved
2014-09-20 17:37 <diva> could it be compiled to JavaScript/asm.js?
2014-09-20 17:38 <lkalif> I don't know of a way to do that
2014-09-20 17:38 <lkalif> Unity made their own compiler
2014-09-20 17:38 <lkalif> they basically said "mono sucks, let's make our own .net implementation"
2014-09-20 17:39 <lkalif> il2cpp they call it
2014-09-20 17:41 <diva> did they open source that?
2014-09-20 17:41 <lkalif> I will do some simple tests in Unity. In theory I should just be able to drop in OpenMetaverseTypes.dll and StructuredData and get LLSD serialization without any effort.
2014-09-20 17:42 <lkalif> diva: no. they were asked about it on a conference I was watching, they didn't say they won't either.
2014-09-20 17:42 <lkalif> Still up in the air it looks like.
2014-09-20 17:44 <diva> so they do C#->CIL->C++->JavaScript? Is that the pipeline?
2014-09-20 17:46 <diva> I'm reading about it. it looks like that's what they do
2014-09-20 17:52 <lkalif> yes
2014-09-20 17:52 <lkalif> cil -> c++ bit is the one they made
2014-09-20 17:53 <nebadon> man the guy at the occulus conference right now is blowing my mind lol
2014-09-20 17:53 <diva> who? where?
2014-09-20 17:53 <nebadon> http://www.twitch.tv/oculus/
2014-09-20 17:54 <nebadon> he broke my brain
2014-09-20 17:54 <nebadon> lol
2014-09-20 17:54 <lkalif> lol
2014-09-20 17:54 <jakdaniels> is it bar or is it far ;)
2014-09-20 17:54 <diva> what did he do?
2014-09-20 17:54 <nebadon> basically make you hear something differnt by just changing visual cues on the screen
2014-09-20 17:54 <nebadon> insanity
2014-09-20 17:55 <lkalif> brain is running very buggy software
2014-09-20 17:55 <lkalif> "optical illusions" books have been around for centuries
2014-09-20 17:55 <lkalif> they should be called "brain software defects" instead :P
2014-09-20 17:58 <ssm2017[Away]> viruses for brain like snow crash :)
2014-09-20 18:08 <nebadon> that guy is good presenter
2014-09-20 18:08 <jakdaniels> yes, better than the other two I saw
2014-09-20 18:08 <nebadon> that stage they have is sweet might have to do something like that for OSCC
2014-09-20 20:30 <dahlia> I noticed they pared down that angry bots game about the time they came out with the webgl thing. It used to be a lot larger and more complex
2014-09-20 23:28 <osmantis> Bug #7328:04 CONSOLE COMMAND: region restart bluebox <message> <delta delta delta> misbehaves 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7328 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-09-20 23:30 <osmantis> Bug #7327:04 delete-region <name> and admin_delete_region does not completely remove a region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7327 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-09-20 23:33 <osmantis> Bug #7327:04 delete-region <name> and admin_delete_region does not completely remove a region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7327 ): has been UPDATED.
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2014-09-21 13:13 <osmantis> Bug #7305:04 Assignment /= fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7305 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-21 14:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #3820 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-09-21 14:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3820: SUCCESS in 8 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3820/
2014-09-21 14:23 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: Windows and Linux 32 and 64 bit versions of Bullet 2.82
2014-09-21 14:23 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: add new Bullet 2.82 constraint type codes and rename the
2014-09-21 14:23 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Fix typo in OpenSimDefaults.ini comment
2014-09-21 14:35 <smxy> misterblue: what differences should we see with that new version of BS?
2014-09-21 14:35 <misterblue> should see some improvement in mesh-to-mesh collision performance... but not other functionality changes
2014-09-21 14:36 <misterblue> nebadon said his cars still use a lot of CPU and I haven't dug into that problem
2014-09-21 14:36 <smxy> ok
2014-09-21 15:30 <osmantis> Bug #7321:04 Error requesting Preferences 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7321 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-21 15:34 <osmantis> Bug #7263:04 Repeated calls to llFrand() cause script to runtime error or freeze 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7263 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-09-21 15:46 <osmantis> Bug #7329:04 Scripts including transaction_result fails to compile 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7329 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-09-21 15:46 <osmantis> Bug #7329:04 [PATCH] Scripts including transaction_result fail to compile 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7329 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-09-21 16:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #3821 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-09-21 16:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3821: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3821/
2014-09-21 16:28 <osjenkins> diva: Fixed a hard-to-run-into bug in groups: at the time of creation of a group, the OwnerRoleID in the groups table was inconsistent with the roleID in the roles table. OpenSim core was not running into this bug, but 3rd party modules (like Wifi) were.
2014-09-21 18:14 <osmantis> Bug #7328:04 CONSOLE COMMAND: region restart bluebox <message> <delta delta delta> misbehaves 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7328 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-21 18:21 <osmantis> Bug #7305:04 Assignment /= fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7305 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-21 18:24 <smxy> diva: Out of curiosity, does this error look like what you fixed? http://pastebin.com/LXtKqwr1
2014-09-21 19:02 <diva> smxy unlikely
2014-09-21 19:03 <diva> that looks like a different problem
2014-09-21 19:15 <smxy> okay, thanks.
2014-09-21 19:53 <osmantis> Bug #7330:04 llRegionSayTo() now says it twice... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7330 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-09-21 19:55 <osmantis> Bug #7330:04 llRegionSayTo() now says it twice... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7330 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0005005.
2014-09-21 19:55 <osmantis> Bug #5005:04 [PATCH] llRegionSay() script function does not trigger a ChatFromWorldEvent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5005 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007330.
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2014-09-22 21:45 <justincc> nebadon: so have you tried mono 3.8 with those thread naming changes yet?
2014-09-22 21:48 <nebadon> bluewall has, i am not quite sure what to do with it
2014-09-22 21:48 <nebadon> BlueWall are you here?
2014-09-22 21:48 <justincc> it would be a case of switching to master branch and then seeing what the ps -ef output looks like
2014-09-22 21:49 <nebadon> oh
2014-09-22 21:49 <nebadon> ok
2014-09-22 21:49 <nebadon> master branch ok for load testing tomorrow?
2014-09-22 21:49 <justincc> er ps -eLf rather
2014-09-22 21:50 <justincc> nebadon: no, can't do that yet.  But I would really like to see if/how this stuff works before merging up to master
2014-09-22 21:50 <justincc> I can build my own mono 3.8 but it's a bit of a pain to use locally
2014-09-22 21:50 <nebadon> ok let me test on local grid then
2014-09-22 21:50 <justincc> er, merging to ghosts I mean
2014-09-22 21:56 <justincc> nebadon: interesting, are you in a position to login any of your heavy avatars to kn1?
2014-09-22 21:57 <nebadon> sure
2014-09-22 21:57 <nebadon> want me to now?
2014-09-22 21:58 <justincc> yes please
2014-09-22 21:58 <nebadon> ok
2014-09-22 22:13 <Plugh> With my desktop not booting I haven't been in this channel as much to keep up on the happenings around OS.
2014-09-22 22:14 <nebadon> justincc ping
2014-09-22 22:14 <justincc> nebadon: hi
2014-09-22 22:14 <nebadon> i did the ps -eLf 
2014-09-22 22:15 <nebadon> there are 1000 lines it seems like
2014-09-22 22:15 <justincc> there are a stupid number of threads
2014-09-22 22:15 <nebadon> the entries for the region i restarted dont look much different
2014-09-22 22:15 <justincc> how about if you do "top" then show threads with "H"?
2014-09-22 22:15 <nebadon> i don't what im supposed to see
2014-09-22 22:16 <nebadon> again top is 1000 lines jumping around so quickly i cant read anything
2014-09-22 22:16 <justincc> nor do I, completely, though I'm assuming something different from mono --debug OpenSIm.exe...
2014-09-22 22:16 <justincc> sort by cpu?
2014-09-22 22:16 <justincc> or something more stable
2014-09-22 22:16 <justincc> of course, it starts out sorted by cpu
2014-09-22 22:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #3822 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-09-22 22:16 <nebadon> ya i am not sure what bluewall did 
2014-09-22 22:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3822: SUCCESS in 8 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3822/
2014-09-22 22:21 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Reinsert OpenMetaverse.dll from commit fbdf507 from an accidental replace in f1f935e
2014-09-22 22:21 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Replace two connecting bots state booleans in pCampbot with a single state machine.
2014-09-22 22:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #3823 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-09-22 22:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3823: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3823/
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2014-09-22 22:37 <zadarkAlt1> I have begun to see OpenSim crash when running dev/master. Seems to be since thread naming changes. Stacktrace http://pastebin.com/VzYuMhan
2014-09-22 22:39 <justincc> zadarkAlt1: always at startup?
2014-09-22 22:40 <zadarkAlt1> No, can be after a while
2014-09-22 22:40 <zadarkAlt1> Difficult to pin point
2014-09-22 22:40 <justincc> you've been running mono 3.6 for a while?
2014-09-22 22:41 <nebadon> what version of mono are you running?
2014-09-22 22:41 <justincc> stacktrace isn'tinformative
2014-09-22 22:41 <zadarkAlt1> 3.6
2014-09-22 22:41 <nebadon> oh your running 3.6
2014-09-22 22:41 <nebadon> can you upgrade to 3.8?
2014-09-22 22:41 <nebadon> its the latest mono release now
2014-09-22 22:42 <zadarkAlt1> Only seems to occur on the grid configured regions, standard and var, but not seen on standalone
2014-09-22 22:42 <nebadon> i updated my instructions
2014-09-22 22:42 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44
2014-09-22 22:42 <zadarkAlt1> It did not want to further complicate matters
2014-09-22 22:43 <nebadon> ok Tower region has been running for 35 minutes now on master code with mono 3.8
2014-09-22 22:44 <zadarkAlt1> Switching to bullet-2-82 branch or earlier master, problem goes away
2014-09-22 22:44 <nebadon> 23000 prims and 1578 scripts
2014-09-22 22:44 <nebadon> im wondering if there is some ini change to bluewalls stuff
2014-09-22 22:45 <nebadon> nope hmm
2014-09-22 22:46 <zadarkAlt1> I do not change ini, except for those that are part of the commit
2014-09-22 22:46 <zadarkAlt1> There is very little on these regions
2014-09-22 22:47 <BrucePatton> just joined, are you talking about BULLET crashing simulator ?
2014-09-22 22:47 <nebadon> i just restarted universal campus now on master git with mono 3.8 too
2014-09-22 22:48 <nebadon> 36500 prims and 2004 scripts
2014-09-22 22:48 <dahlia> that thread naming irks me. I don't see how it can work since the threads are all shared via multiple levels  of threadpools
2014-09-22 22:48 <nebadon> no was a mono crash BrucePatton
2014-09-22 22:48 <zadarkAlt1> I have no evidence to suggest it is Bullet specific, as if I run the 2-82 branch thing do not crash
2014-09-22 22:49 <BrucePatton> well have a look at this http://pastebin.com/eKb1Nmhs
2014-09-22 22:49 <nebadon> that doesnt look good
2014-09-22 22:49 <nebadon> ive not seen anything like that
2014-09-22 22:49 <nebadon> is this randomly happening?
2014-09-22 22:50 <zadarkAlt1> Is that on start up Bruce?
2014-09-22 22:50 <nebadon> also are you running bullet in a seperate thread
2014-09-22 22:50 <nebadon> i suspect you are not
2014-09-22 22:52 <BrucePatton> worked before r/25251 and works with ODE with r/25255
2014-09-22 22:52 <BrucePatton> no not separate threat but I tried and same result
2014-09-22 22:52 <nebadon> k
2014-09-22 22:52 <zadarkAlt1> justincc, I have been running 3.6 since 2014-06-09 on these machines
2014-09-22 22:52 <BrucePatton> it is when I run a boat script
2014-09-22 22:53 <nebadon> i suspect your problem may be more on the mono side zadarkAlt1
2014-09-22 22:53 <zadarkAlt1> Why?
2014-09-22 22:54 <nebadon> well yes and no
2014-09-22 22:54 <nebadon> opensimulator is probably triggering a bug in the mono your running
2014-09-22 22:55 <nebadon> be good to show BlueWall though for sure
2014-09-22 22:56 <nebadon> he was also using 3.8 i skipped 3.6
2014-09-22 22:57 <zadarkAlt1> The thread commit references 3.6+
2014-09-22 22:58 <nebadon> ya
2014-09-22 22:58 <nebadon> that doesnt mean 3.6 isnt buggy
2014-09-22 22:58 <nebadon> it likely is
2014-09-22 22:58 <BrucePatton> could be this it does not like eulerRot=<0,0,num*DEG_TO_RAD>
2014-09-22 22:59 <justincc> BrucePatton: with that stacktrace I would suspect bulletsim in the first instance.  Nothing you do in script should trigger it - looks more like a race condition to me
2014-09-22 22:59 <dahlia> euler? *runs*...
2014-09-22 22:59 <nebadon> anyway zadarkAlt1 not a big deal, mostly it would be good to see if you experience same problem on 3.8
2014-09-22 22:59 <justincc> BrucePatton: unless the same script riggers it every single time
2014-09-22 22:59 <nebadon> then we can better know if its us or something in mono
2014-09-22 23:00 <nebadon> mono 3.8 has a lot of bug fixes since 3.6
2014-09-22 23:01 <nebadon> Mono 3.8.0 has 711 commits since the last release. This is the work of 61 contributors since May 28. 58 bugs were fixed.
2014-09-22 23:02 <osmantis> Bug #7329:04 [PATCH] Scripts including transaction_result fail to compile 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7329 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-09-22 23:04 <Ken-S> Don't mean to ruffle anyone's feathers.... but this is why I have to use Windows.
2014-09-22 23:04 <justincc> BrucePatton: if it triggers with that script every single time then would be great if you could raise a bug and then someone (or I) can let misterblue know
2014-09-22 23:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #3824 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-09-22 23:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3824: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3824/
2014-09-22 23:15 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Include same content filters for IAR file exports that already exist for OAR files. Adds new console switch --perm=CTM to save iar command.
2014-09-22 23:15 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Change existing IAR save to use UUID for its callback reference instead of Guid. This is for uniformity as discussed on IRC.
2014-09-22 23:15 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Add an event callback for loading IAR files. The callback for creating them already existed but not for loading. This is of interest for use by region modules. Also includes reporting numbers of items saved and items filtered to the completed log printout.
2014-09-22 23:15 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Modifications to previous IAR commits to bring them more inline with existing OpenSim code conventions. Also include new IAR save switch in console help print out.
2014-09-22 23:23 <nebadon> justincc Keynote 1 is holding up good
2014-09-22 23:23 <nebadon> ive actually been building a bit
2014-09-22 23:23 <nebadon> just to see how it went, so far seems great
2014-09-22 23:25 <justincc> my bots are still falling off.  I've finally decided to prep another machine I have here but hopefully will get some amazon instances too
2014-09-22 23:25 <justincc> nebadon: your machine seems to be worse than it was somehow
2014-09-22 23:25 <nebadon> hmm 
2014-09-22 23:25 <nebadon> nothing has changed on that machine at all
2014-09-22 23:26 <nebadon> i dont really have any heavy network stuff going on
2014-09-22 23:26 <justincc> you have changed network stuff recently in general, right?
2014-09-22 23:26 <nebadon> well i got a new modem, but my speeds have only improved since then
2014-09-22 23:26 <nebadon> otherwise everything is the same
2014-09-22 23:26 <nebadon> same router 
2014-09-22 23:27 <nebadon> oh hrmm
2014-09-22 23:27 <justincc> ok I dunno, somehow network is worse.  I have problem even typign on consoles wtih 100 bots connected
2014-09-22 23:27 <nebadon> something does seem wrong, net is really slow at the moment
2014-09-22 23:27 <nebadon> wierd
2014-09-22 23:27 <justincc> ok
2014-09-22 23:34 <nebadon_> there we go justincc
2014-09-22 23:34 <nebadon_> i rebooted the router things feel fast again
2014-09-22 23:34 <justincc> ah, that's why all those bnots fell off ::)
2014-09-22 23:34 <justincc> ok
2014-09-22 23:34 <nebadon_> ya sorry should have warned you
2014-09-22 23:34 <justincc> no worries
2014-09-22 23:35 <nebadon_> http://www.speedtest.net/result/3780006674.png
2014-09-22 23:38 <osmantis> Bug #7314:04 [PATCH] InventoryArchiver, perms filter switch and load callback event patches 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7314 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-09-22 23:38 <nebadon> ok my 20 bots are back in
2014-09-22 23:39 <nebadon> hmm hopefully i didnt kill the simulator heh
2014-09-22 23:39 <nebadon> my real avatar cant move
2014-09-22 23:39 <nebadon> stuff hasnt fully loaded either
2014-09-22 23:39 <nebadon> ah there goes
2014-09-22 23:39 <nebadon> its rough at the moment
2014-09-22 23:40 <justincc> largely ok for me
2014-09-22 23:40 <nebadon> ok
2014-09-22 23:41 <nebadon> i may need to reconnnect my main avatar hes pretty well stuck, this happened once before
2014-09-22 23:41 <nebadon> hmm my net seems dead again
2014-09-22 23:41 <nebadon> lame
2014-09-22 23:42 <justincc> yeah, I'm getting same feels as before
2014-09-22 23:43 <nebadon> let me kill radegast
2014-09-22 23:43 <nebadon> and see if it recovers
2014-09-22 23:43 <nebadon> seemed to start again as soon as i logged them all back in
2014-09-22 23:44 <nebadon> hmm doesnt seem to be recovering
2014-09-22 23:46 <BlueWall> Hey nabadon
2014-09-22 23:46 <Ubit> naba :)
2014-09-22 23:48 <nebadon> hello BlueWall
2014-09-22 23:48 <nebadon> maybe you can explain what you were doing with the thread stuff?
2014-09-22 23:50 <BlueWall> the only thing that really changed was the point the threads are being named.
2014-09-22 23:51 <BlueWall> we have been naming most of them all along, but then needed to be named after starting.
2014-09-22 23:52 <BlueWall> hehe 
2014-09-22 23:52 <BlueWall> naba
2014-09-22 23:52 <Ubit> :)
2014-09-22 23:53 <nebadon_> man my internet is sucking bad all the sudden
2014-09-22 23:53 <BlueWall> did you catch what I sent?
2014-09-22 23:54 <justincc> ok, I'm going to remove all bots running from your system, as I'm about to logoff anyway
2014-09-22 23:54 <justincc> oh, trhey already fell off
2014-09-22 23:54 <nebadon_> ok ya don't know what the heck is going on tonight
2014-09-22 23:55 <justincc> yeah, I'm probably going to try and spin up some cloud systems and run bots from there tomorrow
2014-09-22 23:55 <nebadon_> maybe ISP doing some throtteling at peak times
2014-09-22 23:56 <nebadon_> did you change something to how the bots work?
2014-09-22 23:56 <nebadon_> wierd everything seems back to normal again now 
2014-09-22 23:56 <justincc> tthey don't like all the bizarre activity from your link :)
2014-09-22 23:56 <justincc> not afaik
2014-09-22 23:56 <nebadon_> ok
2014-09-22 23:56 <nebadon_> distinc possibilty some throtteling by the ISP
2014-09-22 23:57 <nebadon_> this is kind of peak time for net here
2014-09-22 23:57 <nebadon_> everyone watching netflix
2014-09-22 23:57 <nebadon_> lol
2014-09-22 23:57 <nebadon_> during the day they dont care what i do
2014-09-22 23:58 <justincc> ok, time for me to break.  Goodnight folks
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2014-09-23 10:26 <osmantis> Bug #7331:04 Add persistent command line history in both Region and Robust consoles 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7331 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-09-23 10:27 <osmantis> Bug #7331:04 Add persistent command line history in both Region and Robust consoles 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7331 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007071.
2014-09-23 10:27 <osmantis> Bug #7071:04 Persist console command history after an OpenSim.exe restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7071 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007331.
2014-09-23 10:27 <osmantis> Bug #7331:04 Add persistent command line history in both Region and Robust consoles 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7331 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-09-23 10:36 <osmantis> Bug #7331:04 Add persistent command line history in both Region and Robust consoles 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7331 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-23 15:02 <osmantis> Bug #7331:04 Add persistent command line history in both Region and Robust consoles 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7331 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-09-23 15:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #3825 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-09-23 15:04 <osmantis> Bug #7071:04 Persist console command history after an OpenSim.exe restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7071 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-09-23 15:05 <osmantis> Bug #7071:04 Persist console command history after an OpenSim.exe restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7071 ): has been CLOSED
2014-09-23 15:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3825: SUCCESS in 8 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3825/
2014-09-23 15:07 <osjenkins> bluewall: Add persistent command history in console
2014-09-23 15:10 <jakdaniels> Thanks Bluewall :)
2014-09-23 15:11 <BlueWall> thank you!
2014-09-23 15:12 <jakdaniels> did you close them both?
2014-09-23 15:12 <BlueWall> hmm, maybe not the most recent
2014-09-23 15:13 <jakdaniels> hmm it shows as closed for some reason too, is that cos it was linked?
2014-09-23 15:14 <BlueWall> no, I thought I closed it, but it didn't show up here as closed.
2014-09-23 15:14 <jakdaniels> ah ok. no worries. Its fine. :)
2014-09-23 15:16 <AllenKerensky> very cool thanks jakdaniels and BlueWall
2014-09-23 15:18 <jakdaniels> that patch has been around for a while, but it didn't make it into last release and it was a little err, messy (3 patch files). I tidied it up and added example config to Robust.ini for the grid console history
2014-09-23 16:31 <osmantis> Bug #7289:04 Login more than 11 avatars cause ruthed avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7289 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-23 17:15 <justincc> nebadon_: ok, realistically that's it if you want to update.
2014-09-23 17:15 <nebadon_> ok
2014-09-23 17:15 <justincc> nebadon_: to get the adjusted default to take affect you will need to restart all simulators
2014-09-23 17:16 <nebadon_> ok
2014-09-23 17:16 <justincc> although you could also set it via console for now but it will be easier just to restart
2014-09-23 17:16 <justincc> none of the updates are major changes, really just reducing the delta with master
2014-09-23 17:16 <nebadon_> i have to restart anyway with an update
2014-09-23 17:17 <nebadon_> are you still logging in bots?
2014-09-23 17:17 <nebadon_> im about to restart stuff
2014-09-23 17:17 <justincc> yes, I am trying to do all 400 from this large amazon instance as a test
2014-09-23 17:17 <justincc> ah
2014-09-23 17:18 <justincc> is it possible for you just to restart the non keynotes?
2014-09-23 17:18 <nebadon_> ok let me know when you are done
2014-09-23 17:18 <nebadon_> i was about to restart robust
2014-09-23 17:18 <justincc> is that necessary?  none of the updates affect it
2014-09-23 17:18 <nebadon_> but i see flood of logins going
2014-09-23 17:18 <nebadon_> didnt want to disrupt it
2014-09-23 17:18 <justincc> yes....
2014-09-23 17:18 <nebadon_> ok i alwyas do them both
2014-09-23 17:18 <nebadon_> but if you dont care i can skip
2014-09-23 17:18 <justincc> I am doing the thing you love me doing best and trying to cram them all in suiper quickly :)
2014-09-23 17:19 <justincc> pls skip for now
2014-09-23 17:19 <nebadon_> ok
2014-09-23 17:19 <justincc> if this ec2 instance appears to handle it I will probably just run them all from there.  If not, I might even just spin up another instance
2014-09-23 17:20 <justincc> I feel better abouit the connectivity from there now rather than trying to run these things from domestic locations
2014-09-23 17:20 <justincc> it's stillnot liking it super much though
2014-09-23 17:21 <nebadon_> hmm ya
2014-09-23 17:21 <nebadon_> it should be a way more reliable connection
2014-09-23 17:24 <justincc> in fact, I might possibly leave them already online today rather than try and relogin from scratch, though I will probably take most off kn1
2014-09-23 17:25 <nebadon_> ok so wont need my bots you don't think?
2014-09-23 17:25 <nebadon_> feel free to use my heavier bots with pcampbot if needed
2014-09-23 17:27 <justincc> nebadon_: your bots will still be good since they wil have a more realistic wl in some respects than pcampbot
2014-09-23 17:27 <justincc> I will leave room for them shortly
2014-09-23 17:27 <justincc> although more unrealistic in others, such as those huge attachments :)
2014-09-23 17:29 <nebadon_> ok cool
2014-09-23 17:32 <nebadon_> ok just everything but keynotes restarted
2014-09-23 17:58 <nebadon_> weekly meeting is starting
2014-09-23 18:05 <AliciaRaven> nebadon_ whats the hg address for the meeting plz?
2014-09-23 18:06 <nebadon_> http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 Staff Zone 1
2014-09-23 18:07 <AliciaRaven> nebadon_, staff? is it the usual os dev meeting or a conference thing?
2014-09-23 18:10 <justincc> it's on the conference grid but shouldn't be the usual place.  Unless osgrid never comes back.
2014-09-23 18:55 <smxy> Worst case, it comes back clean and starts over, yes?
2014-09-23 18:57 <AllenKerensky> Worst case is that, as they open the box of drives to reinstall them - a superflare or rogue comet destroys the earth before we've found alternate arrangements
2014-09-23 18:58 <smxy> :)
2014-09-23 22:45 <justinccAfk> looooool
2014-09-23 22:46 <justincc> nebadon_: the bots are being disconnected on the tos timeout
2014-09-23 22:46 <nebadon_> what the heck
2014-09-23 22:46 <justincc> that's why it was always happening to all of them on kn4 
2014-09-23 22:46 <nebadon_> are these new bots?
2014-09-23 22:46 <justincc> and happens after 10 mins...
2014-09-23 22:46 <justincc> no
2014-09-23 22:46 <nebadon_> oh
2014-09-23 22:46 <justincc> they were working before!
2014-09-23 22:47 <nebadon_> what the heck
2014-09-23 22:47 <justincc> but I'm almost 100% this is why
2014-09-23 22:47 <justincc> lol
2014-09-23 22:47 <nebadon_> hmmm
2014-09-23 22:47 <nebadon_> trying to remeber how to do that via the database
2014-09-23 22:48 <justincc> was there any period when the tos wasn't active
2014-09-23 22:48 <justincc> I seem to vaguely recall now that might have been the case...
2014-09-23 22:48 <nebadon_> ya maybe
2014-09-23 22:48 <justincc> oh man :)
2014-09-23 22:48 <nebadon_> diva ping
2014-09-23 22:49 <nebadon_> for now i'll just turn it off
2014-09-23 22:49 <nebadon_> its in bottom of GridCommon.ini
2014-09-23 22:49 <justincc> let me take a quick look at the db
2014-09-23 22:50 <nebadon_> ok
2014-09-23 22:50 <diva> turn it off
2014-09-23 22:51 <nebadon_> is there any way to modify the db
2014-09-23 22:51 <justincc> won't we want to turn it back on later?
2014-09-23 22:51 <nebadon_> to force them to all accepted?
2014-09-23 22:51 <justincc> I'm sure we must have done this for the existing bots
2014-09-23 22:51 <diva> yes
2014-09-23 22:51 <justincc> I think it must only affect the ones I added this year
2014-09-23 22:51 <diva> 1 sec, let me give you the command
2014-09-23 22:51 <nebadon_> for some reason im drawing a total blank on this process
2014-09-23 22:52 <nebadon_> i know ive done it before my brain is mush
2014-09-23 22:52 <justincc> what port is mysql running on there?
2014-09-23 22:53 <nebadon_> add -h 127.0.0.1
2014-09-23 22:53 <nebadon_> dont use port
2014-09-23 22:53 <nebadon_> mysql is open
2014-09-23 22:53 <nebadon_> on screen -x 01
2014-09-23 22:53 <nebadon_> tab 10
2014-09-23 22:55 <diva> UPDATE griduser SET TOS='127.0.0.1 2014-09-23 15:54' <--- this updates everyone, not just the bots
2014-09-23 22:55 <diva> if yuo want the bots we need a join there
2014-09-23 22:56 <justincc> bots have regular IDs so should be able to do it that way
2014-09-23 22:58 <justincc> nebadon_: ok, I have an update command on the mysql console if you want to check it
2014-09-23 22:59 <nebadon_> whcih console #?
2014-09-23 22:59 <justincc> 9 on keynotes
2014-09-23 22:59 <nebadon_> ya do it
2014-09-23 22:59 <justincc> you know, when you have more than 9 screens it becomes a real pain to move through them
2014-09-23 23:00 <justincc> ok, that looks good
2014-09-23 23:00 <nebadon_> do this
2014-09-23 23:00 <justincc> thank god for that, I thought I was going crazy
2014-09-23 23:00 <nebadon_> ctrl+a shift+"
2014-09-23 23:00 <nebadon_> make your life easier
2014-09-23 23:00 <justincc> nice, I didn#t know about that
2014-09-23 23:00 <nebadon_> :)
2014-09-23 23:01 <justincc> still more keypresses thoguh :)
2014-09-23 23:01 <nebadon_> yes but less ssh windows
2014-09-23 23:01 <nebadon_> pick your poison
2014-09-23 23:01 <nebadon_> lol
2014-09-23 23:01 <diva> how did the load test go today? (sorry I couldnt do it -- meetings)
2014-09-23 23:02 <justincc> I must admit, I have so many damn terminals open nowadays that I'm heading depper into screens in tabbed terminals land
2014-09-23 23:02 <nebadon_> i think on one of diva and my servers i had like 24 tabs once
2014-09-23 23:04 <nebadon_> once ctrl+a shift+" becomes muscle memory its very nice
2014-09-23 23:04 <justincc> ever tried that other multiplexer?
2014-09-23 23:04 <nebadon_> i have not
2014-09-23 23:04 <nebadon_> i think its just a fork of screen though isnt it?
2014-09-23 23:04 <justincc> nor have I except very briefly.  I don't know, I hadn't heard that
2014-09-23 23:05 <nebadon_> could be worse i could have the tool bar at the bottom disabled like the default screen config
2014-09-23 23:05 <justincc> some ppl say it's better but you can never tell until you've tried to do stuff with it
2014-09-23 23:05 <nebadon_> i dunno how anyone can do that
2014-09-23 23:06 <nebadon_> here you go some light reading : http://arundelo.livejournal.com/390.html
2014-09-23 23:06 <nebadon_> hehe
2014-09-23 23:06 <nebadon_> ctrl+a ctrl+z is nice too
2014-09-23 23:06 <nebadon_> it exits you out of screen
2014-09-23 23:07 <nebadon_> so you can connect to a different screen terminal
2014-09-23 23:07 <BlueWall> C-a ?     Help. \o/
2014-09-23 23:07 <nebadon_> also if you ever have a frozen tab
2014-09-23 23:07 <justincc> honestly. the mechanisms to stuff text on a screen from outside are obscure enough
2014-09-23 23:07 <nebadon_> ctrl+a :kill
2014-09-23 23:08 <nebadon_> make sure your on the tab you want to kill
2014-09-23 23:08 <nebadon_> saves you from totally having to restart screen completly
2014-09-23 23:08 <dahlia> I use ctrl-a d
2014-09-23 23:08 <dahlia> "detach"
2014-09-23 23:09 <nebadon_> ah ya
2014-09-23 23:09 <nebadon_> wonder what the difference is
2014-09-23 23:09 <nebadon_> ctrl+a ctrl+z doesnt kill it or pause it or anything
2014-09-23 23:09 <dahlia> dunno, never used ctrl-z
2014-09-23 23:09 <nebadon_> i use it all the time
2014-09-23 23:09 <justincc> nor me, I always do ctrl -a, d
2014-09-23 23:10 <BlueWall> me too
2014-09-23 23:10 <dahlia> everyone gangs up on nebadon_....
2014-09-23 23:10 <nebadon_> lol
2014-09-23 23:10 <nebadon_> 
ACTION ctrl+z's his way out

2014-09-23 23:10 <BlueWall> but, it makes sense because in bash you do Ctrl+z to background a process
2014-09-23 23:11 <BlueWall> I could never get that to work on DOS
2014-09-23 23:11 <BlueWall> :S
2014-09-23 23:11 <nebadon_> lol
2014-09-23 23:12 <BlueWall> but Ctl+z stops the process, you must type bg to make it run
2014-09-23 23:28 <BlueWall> yah, ended up needing to make softlinks
2014-09-23 23:29 <BlueWall> next time I'll add that switch to combine the libraries
2014-09-23 23:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #3826 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-09-23 23:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3826: SUCCESS in 4 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3826/
2014-09-23 23:54 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Remove an unnecessary check at the bottom of Scene.CloseAgent()
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2014-09-24 22:42 <justincc> hi nebadon_, you around?
2014-09-24 22:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #3827 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-09-24 22:56 <nebadon_> hey justincc
2014-09-24 22:57 <justincc> nebadon_: could you update keynotes with current ghosts?
2014-09-24 22:57 <nebadon_> sure
2014-09-24 22:57 <nebadon_> give me 15-20 minutes
2014-09-24 22:57 <justincc> thanks
2014-09-24 22:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3827: SUCCESS in 4 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/./MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3827/
2014-09-24 22:58 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Add "debug lludp packet" command to pCampbot.
2014-09-24 22:58 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Update libopenmetaverse to 0f4b361.
2014-09-24 22:58 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Add "debug lludp data out" console command for logging outgoing data just before it's put on the wire.
2014-09-24 23:09 <AliciaRaven> hey justincc, i havnt forgot about updating the wiki, got a lot on at the moment so i will sort it out in a few days i hope
2014-09-24 23:10 <justincc> AliciaRaven: no worries, thanks for keeping that in mind
2014-09-24 23:10 <AliciaRaven> np, i will let u know when its sorted out
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2014-09-25 19:53 <BeyBar> I intend to ask a thoroughly uninformed question.
2014-09-25 19:54 <BeyBar> (You've been warned).
2014-09-25 19:54 <BeyBar> Happened to see http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2014/09/eu-offers-103-mil-in-tech-funding-opensim-web-viewer-might-fit/ today.
2014-09-25 19:54 <BeyBar> Question: has there been any more public discussion about this? 
2014-09-25 19:54 <BeyBar> Is anyone biting?
2014-09-25 19:55 <BeyBar> It looks like a perfect fit for lkalif I think...
2014-09-25 19:56 <nebadon_> i assume realxtend is, i think its to late to get involved otherwise 
2014-09-25 19:56 <nebadon_> deadlines have already passed
2014-09-25 19:58 <BeyBar> I'm looking at the Media & Content category at http://www.fi-ware.org/accelerators/ now. They say things like "The first open call will run from September 15th - December 15th 2014 with the teams starting the accelerator programme in March/April 2015."
2014-09-25 19:58 <BeyBar> So still seems open.
2014-09-25 20:02 <nebadon_> oh ok i must have misread it, i looked at it a few days ago breifly
2014-09-25 20:06 <BeyBar> A WebGL-based viewer using websockets has been at the back of my mind for years, but I keep pushing it back there because I see no reasonable way to monetize it. :P
2014-09-25 20:06 <BeyBar> But if I could get paid to do it, I'd be tempted. Of course, lkalif would be way more qualified.
2014-09-25 20:27 <nebadon_> I would love to see a WebGL viewer
2014-09-25 20:27 <nebadon_> but i think the reality of that means we have to abandon a lot of bad practices that take place in SL and OpenSim
2014-09-25 20:27 <nebadon_> there would need to be a dramatic reduction in content and quality
2014-09-25 20:27 <nebadon_> there is simply no way to recreate what the LL viewer can do in WebGL
2014-09-25 20:28 <nebadon_> WebGL is simple not powerful enough, its reliant on Javascript and the Web Browser engine itself
2014-09-25 20:28 <nebadon_> WebGL having that kind of power is many years away
2014-09-25 20:30 <nebadon_> most normal game engines are optimized to deal with content developed to very strict specifications that can not be exceeded
2014-09-25 20:30 <nebadon_> content like that is not the norm in opensim
2014-09-25 20:37 <BeyBar> I agree about the sloppy content, not sure about WebGL. The point of WebGL is to essentially implement OpenGL ES in the browser. You call it from JavaScript, but it is not JavaScript.
2014-09-25 20:38 <BeyBar> You can write shaders for it, and they run on the graphics card.
2014-09-25 20:39 <BeyBar> Let me put it this way: JavaScript is the conduit to WebGL. You need it to feed the data into it.
2014-09-25 20:40 <BeyBar> (Bad use of "it" there. You need JavaScript to fee the data into WebGL.)
2014-09-25 20:53 <AllenKerensky> too bad PixieViewer hasn't really materialized
2014-09-25 20:57 <BeyBar> Hmmm... "The first public Alpha Version is expected to launch in March 2013."?
2014-09-25 20:58 <BeyBar> They ran out of money?
2014-09-25 20:59 <BeyBar> On the other hand, Cloud Party worked, and it ran on WebGL. 
2014-09-25 21:00 <BeyBar> http://pixietec.com/ seems gone, http://pixiegrid.net/ too
2014-09-25 21:05 <paulieflomar> Yeah. Yahoo bought Cloud Party in January and CP closed in February. Yikes.
2014-09-25 21:06 <ssm2017> a simple read only viewer for web is often requested around me. realxtend could get a candy and it looks like they are giving a hand to opensimulator. i like the idea to mashup opensimulator and realxtend in a common project
2014-09-25 21:08 <ssm2017> keeping the traditionnal viewer to build and to be used by inworld persistant residents
2014-09-25 21:14 <dahlia> well I did a dist-upgrade on my server (includes new bash) and rebooted it and restarted up my grid. All went well except one region where collisions stop working after a few monutes. No message on console when it happens. I've never seen anything like that before :/
2014-09-25 21:19 <dahlia> speaking of webgl viewers, I'd write one if there was a way to monetize it. Unfortunately I can't afford to write one for free and support it for free so for-profit companies can benefit from it. Unfortunately no for-profit companies seem interested in paying me to write one. Perhaps they think I'm not capable.
2014-09-25 21:25 <BeyBar> Pretty much my view too, I would be very tempted to do it if I could get paid to do it. Which is why I found http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2014/09/eu-offers-103-mil-in-tech-funding-opensim-web-viewer-might-fit/ interesting.
2014-09-25 21:25 <dahlia> ya I saw that
2014-09-25 21:26 <BeyBar> I imagine that it's meant for European businesses. So you need to get lkalif to register a company (should take five minutes online in Denmark) and hire you. :)
2014-09-25 21:26 <dahlia> I've written several viewers from scratch (no LL code). I know how to do it and make them perform well with OpenSimulator content
2014-09-25 21:28 <BeyBar> Seriously, I think a team would have a far better chance to get funded than a lone developer. A few people should gang up and submit a proposal.
2014-09-25 21:29 <dahlia> perhaps but realxtend uses three.js for their web viewer which is a poor match for OpenSimulator content
2014-09-25 21:29 <dahlia> so unless they do a complete reboot from scratch, it wont perform
2014-09-25 21:30 <dahlia> there's been attempts to build a OpenSim viewer from three.js before but they performed abysmally
2014-09-25 21:31 <BeyBar> I had some fun with three.js a couple of years ago, but never tried to match it up with OpenSim. Are the difficulties easily summarized?
2014-09-25 21:32 <dahlia> the difficulties have to do with the sheer number of models with up to 9 materials each
2014-09-25 21:32 <dahlia> three's scenegraph isnt designed for that volume of content, nor is it capable of feeding it to webgl at the required thruput
2014-09-25 21:33 <dahlia> three is a nice design but its for general purpose use. OpenSim content is *not* general purpose by any means
2014-09-25 21:36 <AllenKerensky> is it possible to put some simple "degraded content" rules in place to prioritize what to use and what not to? or would that break content view too badly?
2014-09-25 21:36 <BeyBar> OK, so it would take more than just the OpenSim-websockets->WebTundra module which Aalto suggested. WebTundra would need to have three.js ripped out and replaced. I think that could still be shoehorned into a project proposal, with some finesse... :P
2014-09-25 21:37 <dahlia> what they suggest would probably work for several hundred prims. Get into the thousands and it will die very fast
2014-09-25 21:38 <dahlia> javascript is insanely slow, even emscripten uses typed arrays is insanely slow, on the order of 1/10th the speed of native code
2014-09-25 21:38 <BeyBar> Understood. So the way to present it would be something like "oh, and we'll also need to improve three.js, one of the libraries used by WebTundra" 
2014-09-25 21:38 <AllenKerensky> native client heh
2014-09-25 21:39 <AllenKerensky> I know google has some chrome versions that allow/run native client out there
2014-09-25 21:39 <BlueWall> native means Windows/Mac
2014-09-25 21:39 <BlueWall> :s
2014-09-25 21:39 <BeyBar> Yeah, you can use NaCl, but it's Chrome only
2014-09-25 21:39 <AllenKerensky> nope, I was talking about Google's browser sandbox tech called NaCL "Native Client"
2014-09-25 21:39 <dahlia> native client is slow also. Unfortunately webgl adds a lot of additional checking to each call to prevent overruns and other hacks. 
2014-09-25 21:39 <AllenKerensky> ah okay
2014-09-25 21:39 <AllenKerensky> good idea IMO
2014-09-25 21:39 <dahlia> webgl calls are extremely slow compared to native opengl
2014-09-25 21:40 <AllenKerensky> on the day a stupid massive bash hack comes out
2014-09-25 21:40 <dahlia> so even native client is compromised
2014-09-25 21:40 <BlueWall> anybody using llVolumeDetect on Bulletsim?
2014-09-25 21:41 <AllenKerensky> yeah I think I am
2014-09-25 21:41 <AllenKerensky> give me a few mins to spin up homegrid and look
2014-09-25 21:42 <dahlia> anyway, I'd write one that had reasonable performance if I had some financial support :)
2014-09-25 21:42 <BlueWall> here, the prim gets toggled to phantom, but it doesn't behave that way
2014-09-25 21:42 <AllenKerensky> Patreon?
2014-09-25 21:42 <BlueWall> dahlia++
2014-09-25 21:43 <BlueWall> it does trigger collisions, unless I manually toggle the phantom
2014-09-25 21:43 <BeyBar> Seriously Dahlia, why not write a proposal?
2014-09-25 21:43 <dahlia> BeyBar: I live in US
2014-09-25 21:44 <BeyBar> Yes yes, but as I said... gang up. lkalif is still in Denmark, right?
2014-09-25 21:44 <dahlia> afaik
2014-09-25 21:45 <AllenKerensky> does collision work if you reset the script?
2014-09-25 21:45 <BeyBar> I am not current with the political situation... are you on speaking terms this year? :D
2014-09-25 21:45 <BlueWall> nope
2014-09-25 21:45 <BlueWall> well, collision does
2014-09-25 21:45 <dahlia> lol
2014-09-25 21:45 <BlueWall> but the object is solid
2014-09-25 21:46 <dahlia> I'm usually on good terms with lkalif but not always ;)
2014-09-25 21:46 <BlueWall> the phantom box it toggled
2014-09-25 21:46 <AllenKerensky> okay, I have a script that uses volumedetect and my region is bullet
2014-09-25 21:46 <BlueWall> it "looks" as it should. But does not behave as phantom
2014-09-25 21:46 <dahlia> I'm loosely associated with another european company tho, I'd give them first crack at it
2014-09-25 21:46 <AllenKerensky> so you uncheck phantom - it goes solid and collision stops?
2014-09-25 21:47 <AllenKerensky> then you toggle phantom back on - collision stays broke AND it stays solid?
2014-09-25 21:47 <BeyBar> Sounds good too. Look into it, pretty please? 
2014-09-25 21:47 <BlueWall> I un-check phantom ans it still produces collisions, but that would be normal
2014-09-25 21:48 <dahlia> BeyBar: it's been discussed ;)
2014-09-25 21:48 <BlueWall> If I check phantom, collisions stop
2014-09-25 21:48 <AllenKerensky> yeah that seems to be what I get UNTIL I go back outside the volume then go back in
2014-09-25 21:48 <AllenKerensky> I fell into the prim when I checked phantom again
2014-09-25 21:48 <BeyBar> OK. Well, enough agitprop from me for today then. 
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2014-09-25 21:49 <AllenKerensky> Okay BlueWall I see what you're seeing
2014-09-25 21:50 <AllenKerensky> I reset my script - uncheck phantom - collide works - reset script uncheck then recheck phantom - collision not working
2014-09-25 21:50 <AllenKerensky> I am on 0.8.1.25259
2014-09-25 21:51 <BlueWall> 25259?
2014-09-25 21:51 <AllenKerensky> one of the recent hashes
2014-09-25 21:51 <dahlia> AllenKerensky: how about toggling phantom on a unscripted prim in the same sim?
2014-09-25 21:51 <AllenKerensky> I can't deal with the "random" hashes to see how one version relates to another, so I use the pseudo SVN numbers
2014-09-25 21:52 <BlueWall> dahlia, that acts as phantom
2014-09-25 21:52 <AllenKerensky> if its unscripted how do I detect collision from it?
2014-09-25 21:52 <BlueWall> yeah, we need to abandon them
2014-09-25 21:52 <dahlia> Im just curious if collisions are working properly in general
2014-09-25 21:52 <BlueWall> that "random" hash is a signature of the commit
2014-09-25 21:52 <AllenKerensky> yeah I know its the signature - but looking at two side by side shows no relation to me
2014-09-25 21:53 <BlueWall> if a bit in the code changes, then the hash changes ...
2014-09-25 21:53 <AllenKerensky> the svn numbers show older or newer much more easily
2014-09-25 21:53 <BlueWall> 2924d25-1407375713
2014-09-25 21:53 <AllenKerensky> I'd have an easier time comparing phone numbers
2014-09-25 21:53 <BlueWall> < git log -n1 --pretty=format:%h-%ct
2014-09-25 21:53 <BlueWall> date -d @1407375713
2014-09-25 21:53 <BlueWall> Wed Aug  6 21:41:53 EDT 2014
2014-09-25 21:54 <AllenKerensky> yeah... not gonna bother with that
2014-09-25 21:54 <dahlia> lol
2014-09-25 21:54 <AllenKerensky> I just run "revtags" when I compile
2014-09-25 21:54 <AllenKerensky> and it puts all that in .version
2014-09-25 21:54 <AllenKerensky> and I can see the SVN and some of the hash in the viewer help
2014-09-25 21:54 <AllenKerensky> Sweet Brown save me here "Ain't Nobody Got Time For All That" other stuff
2014-09-25 21:54 <BlueWall> I don't even know what hoops to jump through to match one of those generated numbers to a real hash
2014-09-25 21:55 <AllenKerensky> I just do it from the opensim short log
2014-09-25 21:55 <BlueWall> heh, I run that git log and redirect it to the .version 
2014-09-25 21:55 <dahlia> I'd hope a search in git-gui would find it but I cant say Ive tried
2014-09-25 21:55 <AllenKerensky> the 3 times a year I might need to see the hash
2014-09-25 21:55 <AllenKerensky> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=5bc3bbbcf3e7df23db3e3e0410266ba72a1a1e14
2014-09-25 21:56 <dahlia> ya might be able to search there also
2014-09-25 21:56 <AllenKerensky> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=shortlog&p=opensim
2014-09-25 21:56 <AllenKerensky> that shows the svn tags - and 25259 is not far behind master
2014-09-25 21:56 <AllenKerensky> master being 25274 at the moment
2014-09-25 21:57 <AllenKerensky> hehehe sorry, r/25259 is for more intuitive / user-friendly to me than  	1e220911938ef3d16cee0112b81333a60b3e5d52
2014-09-25 21:58 <AllenKerensky> but to the point, yeah I am seeing same thing on mine
2014-09-25 21:58 <dahlia> one would think the git community has solved this problem
2014-09-25 21:58 <BlueWall> tags should be for milestones or something
2014-09-25 21:58 <AllenKerensky> git escaped from Linus and the kernel devs - and they are famed for caring what lowly end users thing
2014-09-25 21:59 <AllenKerensky> I can fondly remember several of Alan Cox's more famous consoling posts on the kernel dev list preaching tolerance of many views, for example
2014-09-25 21:59 <dahlia> and then there's Linus...
2014-09-25 21:59 <AllenKerensky> cool I managed to say that once with a straight face
2014-09-25 22:00 <AllenKerensky> yeah I saved the video of Linus flipping off Nvidia
2014-09-25 22:00 <dahlia> "WTF $*))@ %$*) @$*)% *%$*(# *(*$!!!" <-- Linus Torvalds
2014-09-25 22:00 <AllenKerensky> that's obfuscated shell code
2014-09-25 22:00 <dahlia> lol
2014-09-25 22:00 <AllenKerensky> I'd patch your bash before trying it
2014-09-25 22:00 <dahlia> my bash is patched :)
2014-09-25 22:00 <AllenKerensky> then fire away and tell me what you get
2014-09-25 22:01 <AllenKerensky> hehehe
2014-09-25 22:01 <BlueWall> git show-ref will get it
2014-09-25 22:01 <AllenKerensky> Help -> About shows it in the viewer too
2014-09-25 22:02 <AllenKerensky> that git show-ref shows every tag it looks like - the last line seems to be what I am on
2014-09-25 22:02 <AllenKerensky> all those hashes on the left column look like crypto-spew
2014-09-25 22:03 <BlueWall> they are, but they are the real deal
2014-09-25 22:03 <BlueWall> those psudo tags could be forged
2014-09-25 22:04 <AllenKerensky> http://pastebin.com/1T1QwEmw
2014-09-25 22:04 <BlueWall> but, with the %ct format option, it gives a timestamp too
2014-09-25 22:04 <AllenKerensky> well, if I am forging my own tags, then I need to have a deep conversation with myselves to get everyone on the same plan
2014-09-25 22:04 <BlueWall> using that with date can get me the very instant the commit was made
2014-09-25 22:04 <BlueWall> git show-ref 25123
2014-09-25 22:05 <BlueWall> 298376d5c7a8207f3c42f950cf9c212950038477 refs/tags/r/25123
2014-09-25 22:05 <AllenKerensky> i appreciate the git info - but as infrequently as I'd use it, if I don't make scripts for it now, it will fall back out of my head shortly
2014-09-25 22:06 <AllenKerensky> so... here's the real 64kprim question - why can't we do all this gitness from inside the viewer
2014-09-25 22:07 <AllenKerensky> such as when saving/loading scripts or running opensim console style commands heheh
2014-09-25 22:07 <AllenKerensky> viewer + git UI
2014-09-25 22:07 <BlueWall> you might be able to with MOAP
2014-09-25 22:08 <AllenKerensky> yeah I've used MOAP + ShellInABox to run the console within the viewer
2014-09-25 22:08 <AllenKerensky> so - it should be do-able
2014-09-25 22:08 <AllenKerensky> but its a bit.. um... cranky
2014-09-25 22:08 <BlueWall> I log configurations into a git repo for staging/dev work
2014-09-25 22:08 <BlueWall> but, not regions
2014-09-25 22:08 <AllenKerensky> was fun to have my laptop object on my desk actually controlling the server
2014-09-25 22:08 <AllenKerensky> i should use git more
2014-09-25 22:09 <AllenKerensky> but ... frankly... I am too tired of learning new SCCS systems... I started with the old UNIX rcs back when.
2014-09-25 22:09 <BlueWall> I store releases in the short hash - commit time format and use symlinks 
2014-09-25 22:09 <AllenKerensky> rcs, sccs, cvs, svn, hg, git
2014-09-25 22:09 <AllenKerensky> its all a confusing blur after a while
2014-09-25 22:09 <BlueWall> git is pretty good
2014-09-25 22:09 <AllenKerensky> yeah I am not complaining
2014-09-25 22:10 <BlueWall> not to thrilled with hg
2014-09-25 22:10 <AllenKerensky> its more sccs fatigue lol
2014-09-25 22:10 <AllenKerensky> I didn't list any of the commercial ones in there just the command line ones I've used as an admin
2014-09-25 22:12 <AllenKerensky> but thanks BlueWall - I learned a new git command I might use more than once a year today - my objective to learn at least 1 new thing a day has been met thanks to you
2014-09-25 22:12 <BlueWall> well, now that I know the command to find the commits those tags relate to, I'm not too bas with them.
2014-09-25 22:12 <AllenKerensky> yeah seems useful to me
2014-09-25 22:14 <BlueWall> bringing up one on ODE to test that llVolumeDetect
2014-09-25 22:16 <BlueWall> Those are a little tricky, but I should be able to rez a prim, size it, then drop the script into it and it should behave as phantom with the exception of generating collisions
2014-09-25 22:19 <BlueWall> works on ODE
2014-09-25 22:19 <dahlia> seems that eliminating the "--gc=sgen" from my mono command line has solved my failed collision problem
2014-09-25 22:20 <BlueWall> do you run mono-sgen ?
2014-09-25 22:20 <dahlia> no I just do mono but when I add that I see mono-sgen in htop
2014-09-25 22:27 <osmantis> Bug #7332:04 llVolumeDetect issue under BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7332 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-09-25 22:28 <osmantis> Bug #7332:04 llVolumeDetect issue under BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7332 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-25 22:29 <BlueWall> dahlia, what version of mono?
2014-09-25 22:30 <dahlia> 2.10.8.1
2014-09-25 22:31 <dahlia> debian wheezy repo version I guess
2014-09-25 22:31 <BlueWall> ok
2014-09-25 22:36 <BlueWall> time for the feed bag :)
2014-09-25 23:36 <dahlia> lol ballmer is cutting the clippers budget for ipads :D
2014-09-26 00:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #3831 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-09-26 00:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3831: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3831/
2014-09-26 00:07 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Make "generate map" console command also trigger upload to maptiles as well as asset generation without performing tile generation twice.
2014-09-26 00:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #3832 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-09-26 00:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3832: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3832/
2014-09-26 00:15 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix long-lived thread name logging.
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2014-09-26 10:18 <osmantis> Bug #7332:04 llVolumeDetect issue under BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7332 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-09-26 14:08 <zacdev> hello how can i require the friends online to my UI?
2014-09-26 14:09 <zacdev> where do i find this in the data and c#
2014-09-26 14:11 <H-H-H> i sugest you look at the code and it also depends on how/what your gui is made of
2014-09-26 14:24 <zacdev> H-H-H:  i am here and i am lost
2014-09-26 14:24 <zacdev> https://searchcode.com/codesearch/view/50504770/
2014-09-26 14:25 <zacdev> if (UUID.TryParse(friendSession.UserID, out id))
2014-09-26 14:25 <zacdev>                         localFriendsOnline.Add(id);
2014-09-26 14:27 <H-H-H> what is your ui made with?
2014-09-26 14:29 <zacdev> H-H-H: python
2014-09-26 14:30 <H-H-H> in php for example you would get the av uuid from the user table then get the uuids of the friends from the friends table and then cross reference that with griduser table to see if any of those uuids are online (table names might not be correct)
2014-09-26 14:32 <zacdev> H-H-H: is there a php example
2014-09-26 14:33 <H-H-H> not that i am aware of but thats the basic gist of it
2014-09-26 14:33 <H-H-H> first task is to get the uuid of the av you want 
2014-09-26 14:34 <H-H-H> next is to get a list of that av,s friends uuids
2014-09-26 14:34 <H-H-H> then cross check that against users online
2014-09-26 14:34 <H-H-H> i dont know python well enough to help more on that side but thats the jist
2014-09-26 14:35 <zacdev> that would help 
2014-09-26 14:36 <zacdev> and i am reading here too http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4959
2014-09-26 14:37 <H-H-H> i would start by trying to work out how to get the av uuid from the db in python
2014-09-26 14:44 <zacdev> I have user id
2014-09-26 14:44 <zacdev> [5:44:11 PM] Shubhi B: from which table we get online user entry
2014-09-26 14:44 <zacdev> [from which table we get online user entry
2014-09-26 14:45 <H-H-H> erm let me look
2014-09-26 14:45 <zacdev> Presence table is maintain the online user data
2014-09-26 14:46 <H-H-H> pc is on a go slow today
2014-09-26 14:47 <zacdev> for live data we have to get data from our c# robust database
2014-09-26 14:47 <zacdev> we all slow pc
2014-09-26 14:48 <H-H-H> GridUser is one p-lace
2014-09-26 14:48 <H-H-H> place *and Friends is where you will find the friends
2014-09-26 15:10 <H-H-H> hope that helped zacdev
2014-09-26 15:12 <zacdev> H-H-H: thank you i am progressing now it help thank you
2014-09-26 15:14 <H-H-H> there are probably other ways to do the same thing but aslong as it works for you :)
2014-09-26 17:10 <Ken-S> Just updated and the latest dev master is not compiling for me.
2014-09-26 17:11 <Ken-S> ] <AllenKerensky> but ... frankly... I am too tired of learning new SCCS systems... I started with the old UNIX rcs back when.
2014-09-26 17:11 <Ken-S> [17:08] <BlueWall> I store releases in the short hash - commit time format and use symlinks
2014-09-26 17:11 <Ken-S> [17:09] <AllenKerensky> rcs, sccs, cvs, svn, hg, git
2014-09-26 17:11 <Ken-S> [17:09] <AllenKerensky> its all a confusing blur after a while
2014-09-26 17:11 <Ken-S> [17:09] <BlueWall> git is pretty good
2014-09-26 17:11 <Ken-S> [17:09] <AllenKerensky> yeah I am not complaining
2014-09-26 17:11 <Ken-S> [17:09] <BlueWall> not to thrilled with hg
2014-09-26 17:11 <Ken-S> [17:09] <AllenKerensky> its more sccs fatigue lol
2014-09-26 17:11 <Ken-S> [17:10] <AllenKerensky> I didn't list any of the commercial ones in there just the command line ones I've used as an admin
2014-09-26 17:11 <Ken-S> [17:12
2014-09-26 17:11 <Ken-S> opps wrong paste sorry about that.
2014-09-26 17:13 <Ken-S> The compile error looks like the latest code broke Diva's wifi again.
2014-09-26 17:20 <AllenKerensky> its like deja-vu
2014-09-26 17:21 <diva> I cant even pull
2014-09-26 17:21 <diva> 'bin/OpenMetaverse.StructuredData.dll' (Bad file descriptor)
2014-09-26 17:21 <diva> error: unable to unlink old 'bin/OpenMetaverseTypes.dll' (Bad file descriptor)
2014-09-26 17:26 <Ubit> that sounds as a possible local error ?
2014-09-26 17:27 <Ubit> hmm pull worked ok for me
2014-09-26 17:28 <diva> fails for me on Windows
2014-09-26 17:29 <BlueWall> hmmm
2014-09-26 17:29 <BlueWall> that does look like a local problem with the filesystem
2014-09-26 17:29 <Ubit> im on windows
2014-09-26 17:29 <BlueWall> can you see that file in your file manager?
2014-09-26 17:29 <Ubit> yeap try checking the file
2014-09-26 17:29 <diva> yes
2014-09-26 17:30 <BlueWall> you might delete the bin directory then check it out again
2014-09-26 17:30 <Ubit> possible move it to a tmp place
2014-09-26 17:30 <Ubit> well or that :)
2014-09-26 17:31 <diva> then git thinks that I deleted it
2014-09-26 17:32 <BlueWall> can do git checkout bin
2014-09-26 17:32 <BlueWall> or git reset --hard HEAD
2014-09-26 17:35 <diva> ok, I had a robust running, that was the problem
2014-09-26 17:35 <BlueWall> ahh
2014-09-26 17:37 <Ubit> well "bad descritor" isnt quiet locked file :) 
2014-09-26 19:08 <justincc> hey nebadon_
2014-09-26 19:08 <nebadon_> hey
2014-09-26 19:08 <justincc> nebadon_: could you update keynotes with latest ghosts?
2014-09-26 19:08 <nebadon_> sure
2014-09-26 19:08 <justincc> thanks
2014-09-26 19:21 <nebadon_> justincc done
2014-09-26 19:24 <justincc> nebadon_: do you have time to login a fwe of your heavies?
2014-09-26 19:28 <nebadon_> sure
2014-09-26 19:28 <justincc> nebadon_: ok, tell me when you start
2014-09-26 19:28 <nebadon_> already started
2014-09-26 19:31 <justincc> great, tell me when you end.  20?
2014-09-26 19:31 <nebadon_> ok 20 are into Keynote 1 justincc
2014-09-26 19:31 <nebadon_> ya i can do more if you need
2014-09-26 19:31 <justincc> nah, taht's fine
2014-09-26 19:31 <nebadon_> k
2014-09-26 19:39 <justincc> nebadon_: ok great.  On the whole, I think frame time stability is much better now, even with bots.  However, there's still some hitches on keynote 1 and I need to insert diagnostic mechanisms to get a handle on that wierd throttle behaviour from last week
2014-09-26 19:40 <justincc> nebadon_: my test is over for now :)
2014-09-26 19:45 <justincc> nebadon_: btw, there was an odd issue where keynote 1 appeared to halt during script startup.  I got impatient so just recycled it and it was fine the next time.  Seen anything like that before?
2014-09-26 19:46 <dahlia> I often see crashes in script startup with very complex regions with lots of scripts, such as an ole wright plaza oar I have
2014-09-26 19:47 <justincc> dahlia: using abort thread halt or co-op?
2014-09-26 19:47 <dahlia> but cant say Ive seen it "halt", whatever that  means
2014-09-26 19:47 <dahlia> usually mono crash
2014-09-26 19:47 <justincc> just started some scripts but never started the others (at least within the time I was prepared to wait)
2014-09-26 19:47 <nebadon_> justincc no i havent
2014-09-26 19:47 <dahlia> I do see messages like os functions not enabled
2014-09-26 19:48 <justincc> there is an issue with thread abort if scripts are calling llDie() a lot.  An abort in the wrong place would crash mono
2014-09-26 19:48 <dahlia> exceptions
2014-09-26 19:48 <justincc> which is why I ended upimplementing the co-op stuff
2014-09-26 19:48 <justincc> nebadon_: ok, one to keep an eye on then
2014-09-26 19:48 <nebadon_> k
2014-09-26 20:30 <dahlia> env VAR='() { :;}; echo Bash is vulnerable!' bash -c "echo Bash Test"
2014-09-26 20:30 <dahlia> quickie one liner to test if your bash is vulnerable :)
2014-09-26 20:36 <smxy> I spent much of yesterday and today updating bash at $WORK.
2014-09-26 20:37 <smxy> Had to do it twice, s the first update was shown to be insufficient and another update was issued.
2014-09-26 20:37 <smxy> ... twice, as* ...
2014-09-26 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #7333:04 [PATCH] HGSuitcaseInventoryService responsible for including My Suitcase, missing from Standalone configuration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7333 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-09-26 21:31 <osmantis> Bug #7333:04 [PATCH] HGSuitcaseInventoryService responsible for including My Suitcase, missing from Standalone configuration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7333 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-09-26 22:09 <osmantis> Bug #7333:04 [PATCH] HGSuitcaseInventoryService responsible for including My Suitcase, missing from Standalone configuration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7333 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-09-26 22:09 <justincc> hey nebadon_, still around?
2014-09-26 22:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #3833 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-09-26 22:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3833: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3833/
2014-09-26 22:14 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add missing HGInventoryService responsible for creating My Suitcase to StandaloneHypergrid.ini
2014-09-26 22:14 <osmantis> Bug #7329:04 [PATCH] Scripts including transaction_result fail to compile 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7329 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2014-09-26 22:14 <osmantis> Bug #7329:04 [PATCH] Scripts including transaction_result fail to compile 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7329 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-26 22:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #3834 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-09-26 22:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3834: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3834/
2014-09-26 22:42 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix recent regression with llRegionSayTo() started sending messages twice.
2014-09-26 22:45 <osmantis> Bug #7330:04 llRegionSayTo() now says it twice... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7330 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-09-26 22:50 <nebadon_> hey justincc
2014-09-26 22:50 <justincc> hi nebadon_
2014-09-26 22:50 <nebadon_> hey
2014-09-26 22:51 <nebadon_> sorry was feep in the blender zone
2014-09-26 22:51 <justincc> nebadon_: oh right... wonderfering if you've ever seen this kind of problem -> http://pastebin.com/ByrvrnZe
2014-09-26 22:51 <nebadon_> hehe
2014-09-26 22:51 <nebadon_> yes i have
2014-09-26 22:51 <nebadon_> 1 sec
2014-09-26 22:51 <justincc> 
ACTION suspects the blender zone is where you're happiest :0

2014-09-26 22:51 <nebadon_> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=65
2014-09-26 22:51 <nebadon_> that outta fix you up
2014-09-26 22:52 <justincc> great.  Do you know why it's happening?  This looks like a robust instance that is somehow keep a load of files open
2014-09-26 22:52 <justincc> I see in this case it was some nginx issue
2014-09-26 22:52 <nebadon_> not sure i do know that most of the latest versions of linux do this
2014-09-26 22:52 <nebadon_> ya i just copied and pasted
2014-09-26 22:52 <nebadon_> replace nginx with your user
2014-09-26 22:52 <justincc> ok
2014-09-26 22:52 <justincc> thanks!
2014-09-26 22:52 <nebadon_> no problem
2014-09-26 23:02 <justincc> nebadon_: do you know if objects set temporary are actually clean up before a simulator is restarted?
2014-09-26 23:12 <nebadon_> should be yes justincc
2014-09-26 23:12 <nebadon_> they should get cleaned up in like 3 minutes I think
2014-09-26 23:14 <justincc> ok, I think I see it now.  Thanks
2014-09-26 23:17 <dahlia> I set things temporary when I want to delete them so they dont clutter my trash folder with stuff named "Primitive"
2014-09-26 23:18 <dahlia> would be nice if there was a "delete with extreme prejudice" menu option in the viewer
2014-09-26 23:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #3835 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-09-26 23:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3835: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3835/
2014-09-26 23:30 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Move expired objects cleaning trigger to the maintenance thread of a region rather than it's main scene loop.
2014-09-26 23:34 <justincc> nebadon_: pls don't remove your avs from kn1 just yet btw, doing some observations
2014-09-26 23:36 <nebadon_> kk
2014-09-26 23:36 <nebadon_> out
2014-09-26 23:36 <justincc> arrgj, don't! :)
2014-09-26 23:37 <nebadon_> oh jeez
2014-09-26 23:37 <justincc> ok,leave them out for nowpls
2014-09-26 23:37 <justincc> heh
2014-09-26 23:37 <nebadon_> sorry im having multiple conversations i totally read wrong
2014-09-26 23:37 <nebadon_> i thought you said pls remove heh
2014-09-26 23:38 <nebadon_> ok well if you need them back let me know
2014-09-26 23:38 <nebadon_> easy to get them back in
2014-09-26 23:38 <justincc> nebadon_: no worries, there's an interesting phenomena where when you have those 20 logged in, the frame time goes long about every 34-35 seconds.  It doesn't seem to happen when they are not there
2014-09-26 23:38 <justincc> I don't remember seeing it with my bots either, but I'm going to test that now
2014-09-26 23:38 <nebadon_> hmm interesting
2014-09-26 23:39 <justincc> nebadon_: I suspect this is somehow linked to the attachments
2014-09-26 23:39 <nebadon_> remember i said too other day
2014-09-26 23:39 <nebadon_> as soon as i logged  them out my main avatar was fine
2014-09-26 23:39 <justincc> yeah, but by long I'm only talking about 0.3-0.8 ms at the moment
2014-09-26 23:39 <justincc> barely long enough to notice but I'd really like to know what's triggering it
2014-09-26 23:39 <justincc> to understand the system better
2014-09-26 23:40 <nebadon_> ya ok let me know when if you need them again
2014-09-26 23:40 <justincc> k, thanks
2014-09-27 00:03 <justincc> hey nebadon_
2014-09-27 00:04 <nebadon_> hey
2014-09-27 00:04 <justincc> could you do me another update pls, removing my bots in a se
2014-09-27 00:04 <justincc> sec
2014-09-27 00:05 <nebadon_> sure
2014-09-27 00:06 <nebadon_> just say when
2014-09-27 00:06 <justincc> now pls
2014-09-27 00:06 <justincc> I'll then be asking you to put your 20 bots back in
2014-09-27 00:12 <dahlia> Ive found that if I log in with a lot of attachments, then I HG teleport away before my avatar has fully rezzed, that some of my attachments are in the scene object list and stay there until the region is restarted
2014-09-27 00:13 <dahlia> they may not be visible in normal viewers as they are very close to 0,0,0 and their "state" field indicates them as attachments and their parent is not in the scene, however they are still in SOG/SOP
2014-09-27 00:13 <nebadon_> justincc ready to go
2014-09-27 00:14 <dahlia> anyway thought Id mention since you are poking around in that code
2014-09-27 00:14 <justincc> dahlia: yeah, a lot of horribly messy stuff happens with attachments
2014-09-27 00:14 <justincc> nebadon_: ok, go for it
2014-09-27 00:15 <dahlia> my guess is scripted attachments in that state would likely contain running scripts
2014-09-27 00:15 <nebadon_> ok here goes
2014-09-27 00:17 <nebadon_> ok justincc there is 20s
2014-09-27 00:18 <justincc> ok
2014-09-27 00:25 <justincc> nebadon_: did you restart keynotes?
2014-09-27 00:26 <justincc> of course you did, time difference
2014-09-27 00:29 <justincc> ah ok, this is now correlated with garbage collection
2014-09-27 00:29 <justincc> it didn't seem to be before, so this is either a coincidence or I missed it
2014-09-27 00:29 <justincc> cycle is also shorter now at 27 secs which would argue that it is the gc pause
2014-09-27 00:29 <justincc> even with their new-fangled generational gc
2014-09-27 00:30 <justincc> still, it's only a fraction of a millisecond but I expect will be worse with more avatars
2014-09-27 00:30 <justincc> non pCampbots - could be attachments or activity of a real viewer (probably more like tbh)
2014-09-27 00:31 <justincc> bigger fish to fry, much as it annoys me
2014-09-27 00:31 <justincc> ok, time for me to rest, goodnight folks
2014-09-27 00:31 <justincc> nebadon_: you can take off the bots at your leisure
2014-09-27 00:44 <AliciaRaven2> hi nebadon_ i requested a wiki account to make those changes about iar files, are you able to activate it?
2014-09-27 01:00 <nebadon_> sure AliciaRaven2
2014-09-27 01:00 <nebadon_> let me look
2014-09-27 01:00 <AliciaRaven2> k thanks
2014-09-27 01:01 <AliciaRaven2> i should add the changes i made to auto backup but that only has a feature proposal page still i think
2014-09-27 01:02 <nebadon_> ok cool that would be great :)
2014-09-27 01:02 <AliciaRaven2> could u make a stub article for it so i know where it should be filed? lol
2014-09-27 01:03 <AliciaRaven2> oh nevermind there is a page for it
2014-09-27 01:05 <AliciaRaven2> thanks nebadon_ :)
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2014-09-27 01:22 <nebadon_> no problem :)
2014-09-27 01:23 <BlueWall> nebadon_, export a terrain from opensim, then import it into L3DT - how can the min and max height be set to keep the Z aspect in sync with the original?
2014-09-27 01:28 <nebadon_> hmmm i havent used L3DT in quite a while
2014-09-27 01:28 <BlueWall> ohh, ok
2014-09-27 01:28 <nebadon_> there is a scale option when you start your project
2014-09-27 01:28 <nebadon_> i think its like 10:1 or something
2014-09-27 01:29 <nebadon_> that may have something to do with it
2014-09-27 01:29 <BlueWall> well, I am exporting the terrain from a sim and using that to edit it
2014-09-27 01:29 <BlueWall> there is a min and max
2014-09-27 01:29 <nebadon_> min and max would be 0 256
2014-09-27 01:29 <BlueWall> I use 0 and 255
2014-09-27 01:29 <nebadon_> err ya 255
2014-09-27 01:29 <nebadon_> but there is also a scale option
2014-09-27 01:29 <BlueWall> it looks flat when it comes back in
2014-09-27 01:29 <nebadon_> thats like 10:1
2014-09-27 01:29 <nebadon_> start a new project and look real close on the page you set the size
2014-09-27 01:30 <BlueWall> ok, the horizontal scale?
2014-09-27 01:30 <nebadon_> there is a box below the size i think
2014-09-27 01:30 <nebadon_> yes
2014-09-27 01:30 <nebadon_> you want 1:1 i think
2014-09-27 01:30 <BlueWall> ok, that makes sense
2014-09-27 01:30 <BlueWall> thanks, I'll give that a shot
2014-09-27 01:30 <nebadon_> no problem, hope that helps :)
2014-09-27 01:31 <BlueWall> is it ok to split them up into tiles, then stich them back later in Blender?
2014-09-27 01:31 <BlueWall> 3x3 var
2014-09-27 01:32 <nebadon_> you dont have to
2014-09-27 01:32 <nebadon_> are they all in same simulator?
2014-09-27 01:32 <BlueWall> haa, it's killing my machine 
2014-09-27 01:32 <BlueWall> yes 3x3 var region
2014-09-27 01:32 <nebadon_> oh
2014-09-27 01:32 <nebadon_> then it will save as a single tile
2014-09-27 01:33 <nebadon_> if your doing terrain save it should make a 768x768 pixel bitmap if your region is 768m
2014-09-27 01:33 <BlueWall> I'll just have to work slow and be patient with it :)
2014-09-27 01:34 <nebadon_> ya L3DT is pretty heavy
2014-09-27 01:34 <nebadon_> depends on what your doing i suppose
2014-09-27 01:34 <BlueWall> blender is the killer
2014-09-27 01:34 <nebadon_> a lot of math
2014-09-27 01:34 <nebadon_> oh
2014-09-27 01:34 <nebadon_> thats kind of surprising
2014-09-27 01:34 <nebadon_> i guess its a large file
2014-09-27 01:34 <BlueWall> I guess it's because my nvidia is out
2014-09-27 01:34 <nebadon_> ah
2014-09-27 01:34 <BlueWall> yeah
2014-09-27 01:34 <nebadon_> maybe
2014-09-27 01:35 <BlueWall> export .obj from L3DT and load it in Blender
2014-09-27 01:35 <nebadon_> ya obj or 3ds will be good
2014-09-27 01:35 <BlueWall> I guess Blender won't load a heightmap directly?
2014-09-27 01:36 <nebadon_> you can
2014-09-27 01:36 <nebadon_> but going back is difficult
2014-09-27 01:36 <nebadon_> your just going mesh terrain route?
2014-09-27 01:36 <BlueWall> it will be mesh in the end
2014-09-27 01:36 <nebadon_> ok you could
2014-09-27 01:36 <nebadon_> you have to use a displace modifier
2014-09-27 01:36 <nebadon_> and use the heightmap is the texture
2014-09-27 01:37 <nebadon_> might be easier to do it with L3DT
2014-09-27 01:37 <BlueWall> maybe that would be lighter than the obj file
2014-09-27 01:37 <nebadon_> probably yes
2014-09-27 01:37 <BlueWall> I'm thinking it was 38MB
2014-09-27 01:37 <BlueWall> lots of faces
2014-09-27 01:37 <BlueWall> tons
2014-09-27 01:37 <nebadon_> let me see if i can find a displace modifier tutorial
2014-09-27 01:38 <nebadon_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plhyqG-vEXk
2014-09-27 01:38 <nebadon_> here is one
2014-09-27 01:38 <BlueWall> thanks
2014-09-27 01:38 <nebadon_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_owcNpxp8h4
2014-09-27 01:38 <nebadon_> this one is cgcookie
2014-09-27 01:38 <nebadon_> see if these 2 help
2014-09-27 01:38 <BlueWall> do you join objects to your mesh terrain?
2014-09-27 01:39 <BlueWall> static objects
2014-09-27 01:39 <BlueWall> sidewalks, light poles, etc.
2014-09-27 01:39 <nebadon_> you could
2014-09-27 01:39 <nebadon_> i wouldnt though
2014-09-27 01:40 <nebadon_> with terrain you only get so many vertices for physics
2014-09-27 01:40 <nebadon_> 16k infact is the cut off
2014-09-27 01:40 <nebadon_> after that physics barfs
2014-09-27 01:40 <BlueWall> I can load it as a terrain?
2014-09-27 01:40 <nebadon_> no
2014-09-27 01:40 <nebadon_> but you want accuracy with terrain
2014-09-27 01:40 <nebadon_> and if your single mesh object exceeds 16k physics will bark
2014-09-27 01:40 <nebadon_> barf*
2014-09-27 01:40 <BlueWall> ok, that;s any object
2014-09-27 01:41 <nebadon_> you get artifacts, and improper contact with the terrain
2014-09-27 01:41 <nebadon_> ya but its way more noticable on terrain
2014-09-27 01:41 <nebadon_> you will end up floating above terrain
2014-09-27 01:41 <nebadon_> or be sunk to your knees etc..
2014-09-27 01:41 <BlueWall> what command reduces vertices?
2014-09-27 01:41 <nebadon_> decimate modifier
2014-09-27 01:41 <nebadon_> in blender
2014-09-27 01:41 <BlueWall> ok
2014-09-27 01:41 <nebadon_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1-L-cRoqJ0
2014-09-27 01:42 <BlueWall> lol, mr encyclopedia :D
2014-09-27 01:42 <nebadon_> ooh
2014-09-27 01:42 <nebadon_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq-6X3pzUOE
2014-09-27 01:42 <BlueWall> thanks
2014-09-27 01:42 <nebadon_> decimate modifier on terrain
2014-09-27 01:42 <nebadon_> double whammy
2014-09-27 01:42 <nebadon_> hehe
2014-09-27 01:43 <BlueWall> I put off learing this for too long
2014-09-27 01:43 <BlueWall> it is a 180 from Autocad interface
2014-09-27 01:43 <BlueWall> but the more you use it, the better it gets
2014-09-27 01:43 <nebadon_> ya
2014-09-27 01:43 <nebadon_> blender is great
2014-09-27 01:43 <nebadon_> cgcookie.com has great stuff
2014-09-27 01:44 <nebadon_> http://cgcookie.com/blender
2014-09-27 01:44 <BlueWall> I go there sometimes
2014-09-27 01:45 <BlueWall> but, it's like anything else complex when you start out, too many things hitting you in the face at once and don't know which one you need
2014-09-27 01:45 <nebadon_> ya
2014-09-27 01:45 <nebadon_> whats nice about blender too is how extensible it is
2014-09-27 01:46 <nebadon_> you can automate everything with python
2014-09-27 01:46 <BlueWall> nice
2014-09-27 01:46 <nebadon_> all kinds of plugins
2014-09-27 01:47 <nebadon_> i think there is like a console you can see what functions are called as you use the GUI
2014-09-27 01:47 <nebadon_> and then just copy and paste that stuff into python scripts
2014-09-27 01:47 <nebadon_> diva knows more about than I do
2014-09-27 01:48 <osmantis> Bug #7329:04 [PATCH] Scripts including transaction_result fail to compile 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7329 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-27 01:48 <nebadon_> she figured out how to automate some of my processes, was nice
2014-09-27 01:50 <BlueWall> bet it makes it a lot quicker
2014-09-27 01:51 <nebadon_> it did, we do not use that method anymore
2014-09-27 01:52 <nebadon_> the quality proved to not be good enough, at the time neither i nor diva knew enough about blender to get it quite right
2014-09-27 01:53 <BlueWall> this is weird ...
2014-09-27 01:54 <BlueWall> I have a mesh and I linked it with another one
2014-09-27 01:54 <BlueWall> Then I get the build tool and clicke the "edit linked"
2014-09-27 01:54 <BlueWall> and I can move parts of the mesh around
2014-09-27 01:55 <BlueWall> they were joined in blender
2014-09-27 02:03 <MarcusLlew> Joined into a single object in Blender? If so, yeah that's weird. 
2014-09-27 02:04 <MarcusLlew> If its just bee grouped or patented it would make sense. 
2014-09-27 02:04 <BlueWall> Maybe I exported a group
2014-09-27 02:04 <BlueWall> it's like a bunch of linked prims
2014-09-27 02:05 <MarcusLlew> Parented. I need an irc client with less aggressive autocorrect. 
2014-09-27 02:05 <BlueWall> hehe
2014-09-27 02:06 <MarcusLlew> Sounds like a group, yeah. The viewer will always treat multiple objects in a single collada file as a link set, regardless of the relationship in blender. 
2014-09-27 02:07 <BlueWall> that is good. I thought it was frozen when exported
2014-09-27 02:10 <MarcusLlew> BTW, for terrain, you can use a OpenSim exported heightmap as a displacement on the z axis. I dont know a good way to preserve scale though. 
2014-09-27 02:11 <MarcusLlew> For decimation, covert to quads, and use unsubdivide. That let's you subdivide back up to the original quads neatly. 
2014-09-27 02:12 <BlueWall> yeah, the obj file has a bazillion triangles
2014-09-27 02:13 <MarcusLlew> I've also had blender strain with var sized mesh terrain. Its worse when you try to texture the thing. A multires modifier can help. Also enables easy LOD. 
2014-09-27 02:16 <MarcusLlew> The Diso
2014-09-27 02:16 <MarcusLlew> The Display Tools add-on can help too. http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Extensions:2.6/Py/Scripts/3D_interaction/Display_Tools
2014-09-27 02:20 <BlueWall> thanks, I saved the links. I'm knocking off for the evening and will pick it up in the morning.
2014-09-27 02:20 <BlueWall> Thanks for all the info.
2014-09-27 02:20 <BlueWall> nebadon and MarcusLlew
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2014-09-27 14:04 <osmantis> Bug #7334:04 [Patch] Fix click action not being reset after buying prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7334 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-09-27 14:04 <osmantis> Bug #7334:04 [Patch] Fix click action not being reset after buying prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7334 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-09-27 16:13 <osmantis> Bug #7334:04 [Patch] Fix click action not being reset after buying prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7334 ): has been ASSIGNED.
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2014-09-28 19:03 <AliciaRaven> BlueWall u there?
2014-09-28 20:49 <BlueWall> Hey AliciaRaven
2014-09-28 20:50 <AliciaRaven> hey BlueWall, was there a problem with the patch? wondering as i had made other changes in that file, might not apply correctly
2014-09-28 20:50 <BlueWall> No, it is ok ...
2014-09-28 20:51 <BlueWall> I applied it here and it works. The thing is, it does not reset the click option when a copy is bought.
2014-09-28 20:51 <BlueWall> So, I wanted to explore that a little.
2014-09-28 20:52 <AliciaRaven> but it shouldnt because the original is still forsale?
2014-09-28 20:52 <BlueWall> Turns out that it is a little more complex to do that in the case of a copy.
2014-09-28 20:52 <AliciaRaven> or do u mean on the copy it makes?
2014-09-28 20:52 <BlueWall> the copy
2014-09-28 20:52 <AliciaRaven> ah i see, kk not thought of that
2014-09-28 20:52 <BlueWall> yes, if you toggle that on the part, then it turns the original off
2014-09-28 20:53 <BlueWall> I will push your work, then I can dig into the other later.
2014-09-28 20:54 <AliciaRaven> ok, im supprised as i didnt think objects where copied by reference
2014-09-28 20:54 <BlueWall> the copy needs to be modified in the serializer
2014-09-28 20:55 <BlueWall> a copy is serialized into the asset
2014-09-28 20:58 <AliciaRaven> k i havnt realy dug into that code myself
2014-09-28 20:58 <BlueWall> I looked into it, but ran out of time yesterday
2014-09-28 20:59 <AliciaRaven> cool, i was just worried that the patch might have been bad, id added other code to that file
2014-09-28 20:59 <BlueWall> I'll push it in a min
2014-09-28 21:00 <AliciaRaven> k
2014-09-28 21:02 <AliciaRaven> how familiar are you with permissions? i found a loop hole in them, and i find the whole thing abit confusing
2014-09-28 21:02 <BlueWall> I've never really worked in that area, but if there is an issue you can point me to it.
2014-09-28 21:03 <AliciaRaven> is it ok if i tell u in pm, dont want it to get out to the masses lol
2014-09-28 21:03 <BlueWall> sure
2014-09-28 21:03 <smxy> Security by obscurity, isn't.
2014-09-28 21:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #3836 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-09-28 21:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3836: SUCCESS in 4 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3836/
2014-09-28 21:08 <osjenkins> bluewall: When a prim is bought through BuySellModule, the click action is not changed back from buy object. This means that after the object is bought, it still appears as if for sale which can be confusing. This sets it back to touch, the default after sale.
2014-09-28 21:34 <smxy> diva: FYI: It seems HEAD won't build with your addon, currently: http://pastebin.com/XerTwwrK
2014-09-28 21:41 <smxy> It looks like AliciaRaven Added an argument to InventoryArchiveReadRequest, that broke Wifi.
2014-09-28 21:41 <smxy> Likely easy to fix.
2014-09-28 21:43 <AliciaRaven> smxy, i think its because i changed a guid to a uuid, dont think i added to the constructor
2014-09-28 21:43 <smxy> Yes, there is an 8th item in the procedure definition now.
2014-09-28 21:44 <AliciaRaven> ah yes, i added the uuid reference so that the call back event had a reference to which request was finished
2014-09-28 21:45 <smxy> You added 2 actually, I believe: UUID id and InventoryArchiverModule module
2014-09-28 21:45 <smxy> I'm not saying you did anything wrong. I'm just pointing out that until Wifi is updated to account for your changes, HEAD plus Diva's addons cannot build.
2014-09-28 21:46 <AliciaRaven> yep, sorry wasnt looking at git, just code and assumed that was already there
2014-09-28 21:47 <smxy> You made other changes that Div will probably have to account for, as my build obviously stopped on the first problem.
2014-09-28 21:47 <smxy> Diva*
2014-09-28 21:52 <smxy> That means that Ken-S and I won't be building any new code until then.
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2014-09-28 22:54 <diva> AliciaRaven what's that UUID supposed to be?
2014-09-28 22:54 <AliciaRaven> just reference for the call back to identify which request is saying its completed
2014-09-28 22:55 <AliciaRaven> same thing exists for write requests, there was no call back for read requests so i added it
2014-09-28 22:56 <diva> you could have left a constructir without it, no?
2014-09-28 22:56 <diva> why does it have to exist?
2014-09-28 22:58 <AliciaRaven> dosnt have to exist unless the place that calls for the load wants to use the completed event and have reference
2014-09-28 22:58 <AliciaRaven> didnt leave a constructor with out it because i didnt expect it to be a problem, sorry
2014-09-28 23:01 <diva> that new argument you added, module, is in a horrible position too
2014-09-28 23:01 <diva> I'm going to change this slightly, ok?
2014-09-28 23:01 <AliciaRaven> ok
2014-09-28 23:01 <diva> and add back the old constructor
2014-09-28 23:02 <smxy> Thank you both. :)
2014-09-28 23:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #3837 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-09-28 23:13 <AliciaRaven> diva, i did place the module ref at the same place it is on the InventoryArchiveWriteRequest.cs how was it in the wrong place?
2014-09-28 23:14 <diva> no you didn't
2014-09-28 23:14 <diva> the parameters are quite different between the 2
2014-09-28 23:15 <diva> your placement broke the sequence of service references -- inventory, assets, user accounts, etc
2014-09-28 23:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3837: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3837/
2014-09-28 23:15 <osjenkins> diva: Improve on the last commit to InventoryArchiver: put back the original constructor (3rd party modules use it), change order of new parameters to make it more consistent.
2014-09-28 23:16 <smxy> HEAD + Diva's addons builds now.
2014-09-28 23:16 <diva> smxy check tha the iar upload in wifi still works, please
2014-09-28 23:17 <smxy> Let me see if I have something to upload ...
2014-09-28 23:18 <smxy> Oh, I'll have to update first. Is updating ROBUST and Wifi enough for this test, Diva?
2014-09-28 23:18 <diva> yes
2014-09-28 23:18 <smxy> Alright.
2014-09-28 23:25 <smxy> It seems to have uploaded without complaint (in Wifi).
2014-09-28 23:26 <diva> great. did it make it to the inventory?
2014-09-28 23:26 <smxy> 19:25:23 - [INVENTORY ARCHIVER]: Loading IAR with version 1.2
2014-09-28 23:26 <smxy> 19:25:23 - [INVENTORY ARCHIVER]: Created folder BulletsimSaucer__9fb77b82-b147-d20c-90b9-517e56ca7d9c/ from IAR
2014-09-28 23:26 <smxy> 19:25:23 - [INVENTORY ARCHIVER]: Successfully loaded 16 assets with 0 failures
2014-09-28 23:27 <diva> but do you see those items in your inventory?
2014-09-28 23:28 <smxy> I deleted that from my inventory, in Wifi, along with the unboxed copy, then loaded the IAR and I see I have just the unboxed copy, so I'd say yes. But relogging to see what it looks like in-world.
2014-09-28 23:28 <diva> k, great. thanks
2014-09-28 23:29 <smxy> Yeah, my previous boxed and unboxed dirs are in the trash and just an unboxed coy is in the main inventory now. SO I think it worked.
2014-09-28 23:30 <smxy> copy*
2014-09-28 23:30 <diva> cool, thanks
2014-09-28 23:30 <smxy> thank you
2014-09-28 23:47 <dahlia> GRRRRR I had some scripts I wrote on osgrid and I loaded my osgrid inventor iar into my avatar on my grid and it wont let me see the scripts even in god mode
2014-09-28 23:50 <AliciaRaven> dahlia, did u try force permissive from admin menu?
2014-09-28 23:51 <dahlia> no, let me try that
2014-09-28 23:54 <dahlia> ty that worked :)
2014-09-28 23:54 <AliciaRaven> np :)
2014-09-28 23:54 <dahlia> I thought I'd have to go digging in the database :/
2014-09-29 03:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #3838 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-09-29 03:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3838: SUCCESS in 8 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3838/
2014-09-29 03:08 <osjenkins> bluewall: Fix key name in example Regions.ini file
2014-09-29 03:18 <AliciaRaven> is restrict inventory abroad setting broken or just unfinished?
2014-09-29 10:38 <osmantis> Bug #7335:04 [Patch] Fix restricted appearance checks not called for landmark teleports 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7335 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-09-29 10:40 <osmantis> Bug #7335:04 [Patch] Fix restricted appearance checks not called for landmark teleports 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7335 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-09-29 18:50 <Plugh> Is it possible to set a landing point in a region so that people TP to a given spot but not allow people to TP around the region once they are in it?
2014-09-29 18:52 <SignpostMarv> well that's a feature of SL certainly
2014-09-29 18:53 <SignpostMarv> nothing in documentation about disabling direct teleport ?
2014-09-29 18:53 <Plugh> There is a setting Allow Direct Teleport in Region/Estate.
2014-09-29 18:53 <Plugh> I've asked the person who wanted to limit teleport to try turning off that region/estate setting.
2014-09-29 18:54 <SignpostMarv> if I recall, that's the setting used in SL; you'd setup a telehub for the place then disable direct teleport
2014-09-29 18:54 <SignpostMarv> old-school telehubs :P
2014-09-29 18:54 <Plugh> Might need to set the region to be a telehub to limit TPs?
2014-09-29 18:57 <Plugh> I'm not sure how to do that unless it is just a region flag setting.
2014-09-29 19:00 <Plugh> ah, found the wiki page about Telehub (if it is still valid)
2014-09-29 19:10 <nebadon> it is Plugh
2014-09-29 19:47 <Plugh> Can't seem to disable TPs within a region. Tried teleport routing set to Blocked (or landing point). Tried setting var as telehub. Avatar can still TP within the region.
2014-09-29 19:47 <Plugh> Is this something you can't restrict in a var?
2014-09-29 19:48 <smxy> Try with an avatar that isn't the region owner or a god.
2014-09-29 19:48 <Plugh> oh, also have "Allow Direct Teleport" turned off.
2014-09-29 19:48 <Plugh> smxy: already done that.
2014-09-29 19:52 <Plugh> I'm now trying to limit TP in a regular region. If it can be done there that is a start but I need it in a var.
2014-09-29 19:53 <Dev_Random> Didn't one of the viewers get slapped for ignoring that setting in SL?
2014-09-29 19:54 <Dev_Random> Any chance the viewer is ignoring it in OS?
2014-09-29 20:02 <Plugh> Another region shows the telehub marker on the map.
2014-09-29 20:11 <Plugh> When I add a spawn point in a viewer under Manage Telehub the spawn points only show a coordinate of 0,0,0
2014-09-29 20:25 <nebadon> that is correct Plugh
2014-09-29 20:25 <nebadon> its in relation to the telehub itself
2014-09-29 20:25 <nebadon> not the region
2014-09-29 20:25 <nebadon> make sure you dont have god powers
2014-09-29 20:25 <nebadon> if your testing
2014-09-29 20:26 <nebadon> i do not beleive you can disable teleporting within the region once you arive in the region
2014-09-29 20:26 <nebadon> i dont think that is even possible in SL
2014-09-29 20:26 <nebadon> just like you cant really stop people from flying
2014-09-29 20:30 <Dev_Random> this is the issue I was thinking of    http://jira.phoenixviewer.com/browse/FIRE-10718
2014-09-29 20:31 <Dev_Random> but it's completely tangential to Plugh's issue...  I have nothing constructive to offer...
2014-09-29 20:33 <nebadon> ya you can limit teleports from outside your region for sure, and telehubs should always be honored, unless you have god powers
2014-09-29 20:33 <nebadon> but you can not limit teleports once your inside of a region
2014-09-29 20:36 <vegaslon> could use lsl to have a script that keeps track of people and if they move too fast they are teleported back
2014-09-29 20:37 <nebadon> ya something like that is very possible
2014-09-29 20:47 <Plugh> Just ran some tests. In SL with Allow Direct TP off you get a message that it can't find a valid destination point when you try to TP. In OpenSim you don't get that message and you can still TP.
2014-09-29 20:47 <Plugh> Seems OpenSim isn't working the same as in SL re: restricting TPs
2014-09-29 20:48 <Plugh> I also verified that with TP routing set to LM I would always wind up at the TP location when I tried to TP some where in the region.
2014-09-29 20:48 <Plugh> That isn't working the same in OS either.
2014-09-29 20:57 <Plugh> nebadon, you can completely disable TP within a region in SL by setting Allow Direct Teleport off.
2014-09-29 21:03 <dahlia> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ84OS21GbA
2014-09-29 21:04 <nebadon> I saw that apple is having to put their iphone displays in locked cases, because all the display models in stores are getting bent
2014-09-29 21:04 <nebadon> lol
2014-09-29 21:04 <nebadon> Plugh, interesting I didnt think that was enforcable in SL
2014-09-29 21:05 <nebadon> does it always take you back to the telehub if you do try to teleport?
2014-09-29 21:06 <dahlia> ya but in that particular vid the kids film themselves breaking phones in an apple store
2014-09-29 21:07 <nebadon> that is pretty dumb
2014-09-29 21:07 <dahlia> lol
2014-09-29 21:13 <Ubit> nice the lcd survives that
2014-09-29 21:15 <Ubit> guess its not glass 
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2014-09-29 23:17 <Plugh> nebadon: The person I was with doing testing in SL didn't get as far as testing telehub. The TP routing and Allow Direct Teleport options provided the level of control required over TPs. Problem is those two settings don't seem to work in OpenSim.
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2014-09-30 16:13 <osmantis> Bug #6879:04 sound does not play 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6879 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-30 17:27 <osmantis> Bug #7289:04 Login more than 11 avatars cause ruthed avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7289 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-09-30 17:28 <osmantis> Bug #7305:04 Assignment /= fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7305 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-09-30 17:44 <smxy> One of my residents reports that when she uploads mesh, it's all destroyed/deformed. This is even for things she's successfully uploaded, just fine, in the past. She also says that it shows that way - destroyed/deformed - in the viewer, before actually uploading to the grid. Any idea what might be wrong? She's re-installed her viewers, and Blender, trying to fix it, but simply cannot 
2014-09-30 17:44 <smxy> successfully do this now. She just did it for me and I have to agreee, her thing was pretty ruined.
2014-09-30 17:45 <justincc> nebadon_: alright, pls update if you can.  Sorry about this again
2014-09-30 17:45 <smxy> argh, my question pops out in the middle of your commits, where no one will see it.
2014-09-30 17:45 <nebadon_> k
2014-09-30 17:45 <Plugh> smxy: I saw it but don't have any ideas or comments about the issue. I haven't done much with mesh.
2014-09-30 17:47 <nebadon_> smxy i suggest you get them to send you a model
2014-09-30 17:47 <nebadon_> and see if you have same experience
2014-09-30 17:47 <lkalif> Does OpenSim support Windows 10? :P
2014-09-30 17:48 <smxy> nebadon_: okay
2014-09-30 17:49 <lkalif> At least the start menu makes a comeback in Windows 10: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByzBLhGCUAEVvlz.jpg:large
2014-09-30 17:51 <vegaslon> it is a start
2014-09-30 17:51 <nebadon_> justincc done
2014-09-30 17:51 <nebadon_> isnt it windows 9?
2014-09-30 17:51 <lkalif> nebadon_: windows 10
2014-09-30 17:52 <lkalif> they skipped 9
2014-09-30 17:52 <nebadon_> why?
2014-09-30 17:52 <Plugh> why did they skip 9?
2014-09-30 17:52 <nebadon_> everything i read says windows 9
2014-09-30 17:52 <nebadon_> code name Windows HT
2014-09-30 17:52 <vegaslon> becouse they want to show how serious they are at turning this around
2014-09-30 17:52 <smxy> nebadon_: I can say that I did a quick export of the default cube in Blender, uploaded it, and it looks like a cube to me ...
2014-09-30 17:52 <lkalif> nebadon_: it was just announced 10 min ago
2014-09-30 17:52 <Plugh> The odd/even numbering meant that 9 would have been one of the bad versions of Windows?  ;)
2014-09-30 17:52 <lkalif> all blogs thought it was going to be 9
2014-09-30 17:53 <nebadon_> microsoft is smoking crack
2014-09-30 17:53 <lkalif> but microsoft announced the new version name is: Windows 10
2014-09-30 17:53 <Arielle_> odd numbered are the good releases
2014-09-30 17:53 <lkalif> I kind of like 10
2014-09-30 17:53 <nebadon_> what?
2014-09-30 17:53 <nebadon_> Windows 7 is the best windows there was
2014-09-30 17:53 <nebadon_> thats pretty odd number last time i checked
2014-09-30 17:53 <smxy> MacOS has been at 10 (X) long before them. :p
2014-09-30 17:53 <lkalif> http://preview.windows.com/
2014-09-30 17:53 <Arielle_> win Vista= 6 bad
2014-09-30 17:54 <lkalif> X Window has been on version 11 for about 20 years now :P
2014-09-30 17:54 <smxy> hehe
2014-09-30 17:54 <Plugh> what number release was ME?
2014-09-30 17:54 <Arielle_> 4
2014-09-30 17:54 <nebadon_> god i hate microsoft, i hope everyone completely rejects this version of windows
2014-09-30 17:54 <Arielle_> xp=5
2014-09-30 17:55 <lkalif> I'm looking forward to Windows 10
2014-09-30 17:55 <lkalif> Can't want to test it
2014-09-30 17:55 <nebadon_> only way ill ever try it is if i buy another laptop that has it preloaded
2014-09-30 17:55 <nebadon_> i'll never willfully install it hehe
2014-09-30 17:55 <nebadon_> same as windows 8
2014-09-30 17:56 <lkalif> you don't play games
2014-09-30 17:56 <vegaslon> ya preloading was the only way they got me away from xp
2014-09-30 17:56 <lkalif> I've been playing Elite Dangerous for the past month
2014-09-30 17:56 <lkalif> spend all my time on it
2014-09-30 17:56 <lkalif> I played the original Elite game 30 years ago on my commodore 64
2014-09-30 17:56 <nebadon_> i dunno microsoft feels like they have gone completely insane
2014-09-30 17:57 <Plugh> Arielle, ok, trust MS to flip things on its head and make even numbered releases the bad ones. :)
2014-09-30 17:57 <lkalif> I live here now -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pltB5_f7Ow
2014-09-30 17:58 <zadark> If you use group policies and Active Diretory, Windows 8.1 is a nice  OS. Very popular with my users, and I have a lot.
2014-09-30 17:58 <Plugh> I won't give up my XP on the desktop until I can no longer use it on a machine I have.
2014-09-30 17:59 <zadark> Especially the multi screen support
2014-09-30 18:00 <lkalif> zadark: multi screen is nice in win8
2014-09-30 18:00 <lkalif> and the task manager
2014-09-30 18:00 <lkalif> but that's about it
2014-09-30 18:00 <lkalif> full-screen start menu is a disaster
2014-09-30 18:00 <lkalif> and full screen modern apps
2014-09-30 18:00 <nebadon_> Meeting time at http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 Staff Zone 1
2014-09-30 18:01 <lkalif> oh OSGrid is dead still then?
2014-09-30 18:01 <nebadon_> ya the whole app/tile thing is just terrible
2014-09-30 18:01 <lkalif> 
ACTION hasn't been following much

2014-09-30 18:01 <nebadon_> microsoft did such a horrible job 
2014-09-30 18:01 <nebadon_> ya its still down
2014-09-30 18:01 <zadark> lkalif: agree
2014-09-30 18:02 <lkalif> nebadon_: in windows 10 you can run those apps in windows on the desktop just like any regular app
2014-09-30 18:02 <nebadon_> ya even in windows 8.1 they put the X back
2014-09-30 18:02 <nebadon_> all you have to do is hover mouse in upper right corner now
2014-09-30 18:02 <nebadon_> and you can close it
2014-09-30 18:02 <lkalif> I skipped windos 8
2014-09-30 18:02 <nebadon_> but still, too little to late
2014-09-30 18:02 <lkalif> Windows 7 is the best version of windows till date
2014-09-30 18:03 <lkalif> will see if 10 tops it
2014-09-30 18:03 <nebadon_> windows 8 can be made to be 1:1 with windows 7 almost
2014-09-30 18:03 <nebadon_> few tweaks and classic shell
2014-09-30 18:03 <nebadon_> and its back to windows 7
2014-09-30 18:03 <nebadon_> with better kernel
2014-09-30 18:03 <lkalif> nah, no aero
2014-09-30 18:03 <lkalif> I like aero
2014-09-30 18:03 <nebadon_> i always turn that off pretty much
2014-09-30 18:03 <nebadon_> right now my windows 7 and 8.1 look identical
2014-09-30 18:03 <nebadon_> you cant even tell them apart
2014-09-30 18:04 <nebadon_> just the start icon menu
2014-09-30 18:04 <lkalif> Why do you hate pretty things? :P
2014-09-30 18:05 <vegaslon> the make functional things look ugly
2014-09-30 18:07 <nebadon_> i will always pick performance over pretty
2014-09-30 18:07 <dahlia> cant tp to http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002/ Staff Zone 1 - is it up?
2014-09-30 18:07 <nebadon_> it is dahlia
2014-09-30 18:07 <nebadon_> bunch of people are there
2014-09-30 18:07 <nebadon_> let me try a HG
2014-09-30 18:08 <dahlia> oh worked that time
2014-09-30 18:08 <nebadon_> dahlia try loosing the trailing slash after 8002
2014-09-30 18:08 <nebadon_> oh ok
2014-09-30 18:08 <nebadon_> ya it worked first try for me
2014-09-30 19:20 <Plugh> I just checked out the OS code from git but I don't see the .sln file I need to open in Visual C#
2014-09-30 19:21 <Dev_Random> is that generated in runprebuild?
2014-09-30 19:22 <AliciaRaven> yep
2014-09-30 19:22 <Plugh> I'll find out
2014-09-30 19:22 <Plugh> yup. Looks like it is
2014-09-30 19:23 <AliciaRaven> didnt beleive me huh? lol
2014-09-30 19:23 <Dev_Random> been a while... I wasn't sure
2014-09-30 19:24 <Plugh> Alicia, Didn't know. I just ran prebuild to see if that was the case.
2014-09-30 19:24 <Plugh> Now I have to figure out how to use VS C#
2014-09-30 19:38 <Plugh> I just filled in the missing threat level values for a bunch of OSSL functions listed in the wiki.
2014-09-30 19:39 <Plugh> No OSSL functions are currently missing their threat level.
2014-09-30 19:41 <Plugh> I don't know how to do a global search of OS using VS C#. I'll have to leave that for another time. Time to run some errands. bbl.
2014-09-30 19:58 <osmantis> Bug #4492:04 impliments osForceSit(string avatar) & overload osForceSit(string avatar, string target) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4492 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-10-01 15:09 <Plugh> I forgot I had already installed Monodevelop for Windows because it is called Xamarin Studio. The only place AllowDirectTeleport is checked to see if TP's are allowed is also checking if region is a Telehub.
2014-10-01 16:05 <Plugh> Afternoon, nebadon
2014-10-01 18:09 <osmantis> Bug #4492:04 impliments osForceSit(string avatar) & overload osForceSit(string avatar, string target) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4492 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-01 20:23 <osmantis> Bug #4492:04 impliments osForceSit(string avatar) & overload osForceSit(string avatar, string target) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4492 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-01 21:25 <dahlia> note to self: mysql likes to put databases in the /var/lib/mysql folder which by default on debian systems can be a pretty small partition :(
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2014-10-02 09:04 <osmantis> Bug #7271:04 Reappearance of [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7271 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-02 14:48 <osmantis> Bug #7336:04 PGSQL exception Groups Handler 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7336 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-10-02 17:25 <Tomaz> Hi guys
2014-10-02 17:25 <Tomaz> is anyone online
2014-10-02 17:26 <Guest37874> can anyone help me how to setup emails to use gmail mail
2014-10-02 17:27 <Guest37874> everytime i get this error:
2014-10-02 17:27 <Guest37874> [EMAIL]: DefaultEmailModule Exception: Error while receiving data from server: Thread was being aborted
2014-10-02 17:27 <Guest37874> any ideas what i do wrong?
2014-10-02 17:50 <Wanderer_42> Guest37874: Not sure. But if you try, to configure something in connection with osgrid: Osgrid is down at this time. So that could be the reason
2014-10-02 17:57 <Guest37874> i have satup my standalone one
2014-10-02 17:58 <Guest37874> i am wondering if gmail ever work on opensim
2014-10-02 17:59 <Guest37874> or does i need any .dll file
2014-10-02 18:09 <osmantis> Bug #7336:04 PGSQL exception Groups Handler 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7336 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-10-02 18:27 <Guest37874> anyone mybe know?
2014-10-02 18:36 <Wanderer_42> Guest37874: I am not familiar with that topic. Maybe you ask again later. Most of the people in the userlist are afk
2014-10-02 18:44 <Guest37874> tnx
2014-10-02 18:45 <Guest37874> Hi Plugh
2014-10-02 18:49 <Guest37874> do you mybe know how is OsGrid in progress
2014-10-02 18:49 <Guest37874> when will be back up
2014-10-02 18:56 <Plugh> I don't know anything more than is on the osgrid web page in the News section.
2014-10-02 18:58 <Plugh> ok, perhaps I have heard a couple minor things. I know there is a fund raising campaign on to help with the costs associated with the attempts to recover the data. Full recovery is very expensive so I think they may be trying to have the drive cloned but there will still be more work involved if they can clone the data.
2014-10-02 18:59 <Guest37874> o i see
2014-10-02 18:59 <Guest37874> nice
2014-10-02 18:59 <Guest37874> can you mybe help me about setting up gmail to send mail?
2014-10-02 19:01 <Plugh> Should be simple enough. Log into your Google account, go to mail section and create a new message.
2014-10-02 19:02 <Plugh> I have a Google+ account but I don't use gmail.
2014-10-02 19:02 <Guest37874> i mean if i need any .dll file
2014-10-02 19:02 <Guest37874> or just setup it on opensim.ini file
2014-10-02 19:02 <Guest37874> with SMTP i mean
2014-10-02 19:03 <Plugh> Oh. You are talking about sending out mail from within an instance of OpenSim. I thought that was a generic question about getting gmail running.
2014-10-02 19:03 <Guest37874> hehe
2014-10-02 19:04 <Guest37874> sorry my bad english
2014-10-02 19:04 <Guest37874> yes i mean sending email using gmail account
2014-10-02 19:04 <Plugh> np. That wasn't a case of bad English. Just not enough information.
2014-10-02 19:05 <Guest37874> so i run stanalone one
2014-10-02 19:05 <Guest37874> standalone
2014-10-02 19:06 <Guest37874> and want to use my gmail account with SMTP
2014-10-02 19:06 <Plugh> Do you have the SMTP server information for gmail?
2014-10-02 19:06 <Guest37874> yes
2014-10-02 19:09 <Guest37874> http://docs.joomla.org/How_do_I_use_Gmail_as_my_mail_server%3F
2014-10-02 19:09 <Plugh> You need to set the emailmodule in [Startup]. 
2014-10-02 19:10 <Guest37874> so then i need .dll file too
2014-10-02 19:10 <Plugh> The other settings you will need to change will be in SMTP
2014-10-02 19:10 <Plugh> The file is already part of OpenSim.
2014-10-02 19:10 <Guest37874>  emailmodule = DefaultEmailModule
2014-10-02 19:10 <Guest37874> is this true?
2014-10-02 19:10 <Plugh> right
2014-10-02 19:11 <Guest37874> i have disable firewall too
2014-10-02 19:11 <djphil> you run opensim on Linux Guest37874 ?
2014-10-02 19:11 <Guest37874> opensuse 13.1
2014-10-02 19:11 <Plugh> In [SMTP] you need to set enabled to true.
2014-10-02 19:11 <Guest37874> i have
2014-10-02 19:12 <djphil> kk, sorry
2014-10-02 19:12 <Plugh> If you are on Linux, is your Linux box set to send email? If so, you can use it instead of having to go to gmail.
2014-10-02 19:12 <Guest37874> sorry dont undertund this part?
2014-10-02 19:13 <Plugh> Which part?
2014-10-02 19:13 <Guest37874> is your Linux box set to send email? <---- this one
2014-10-02 19:14 <Guest37874> i setup [SMTP] part in opensim.ini file
2014-10-02 19:16 <Plugh> If you are running a Linux box it would have a mail server on it that might already be configured to send email. If you can send email from that machine (ie. using the mail command), you can use your local SMTP server instead of having to use the external one. If you aren't sure stick to using gmail.
2014-10-02 19:17 <Guest37874> o i see
2014-10-02 19:17 <Guest37874> but i dont have mail on that server
2014-10-02 19:18 <Plugh> The other settings to change in [SMTP] are host_domain_header_from and SMTP_SERVER_HOSTNAME.
2014-10-02 19:20 <Plugh> Setting host_domain_header_from properly will minimize the chance that remote machines will think the mail is spam.
2014-10-02 19:21 <Guest37874> http://pastebin.com/HtYfzpkz
2014-10-02 19:21 <Guest37874> this is my settings
2014-10-02 19:23 <Plugh> Guest37874: ok, that looks ok.
2014-10-02 19:23 <Guest37874> i think too
2014-10-02 19:25 <Guest37874> but i get this error in console:
2014-10-02 19:25 <Guest37874> [EMAIL]: DefaultEmailModule Exception: Error while receiving data from server: Thread was being aborted
2014-10-02 19:25 <Guest37874> and i dont have any [EMAIL] section in opensim.ini dile
2014-10-02 19:25 <Guest37874> *file
2014-10-02 19:26 <Plugh> That came from the default email module.
2014-10-02 19:27 <Guest37874> o i see
2014-10-02 19:27 <Plugh> Can you paste the portion of your LSL script where you make the call to send email?
2014-10-02 19:28 <Guest37874> sure
2014-10-02 19:28 <Plugh> nebadon: ping
2014-10-02 19:29 <nebadon> hey Plugh
2014-10-02 19:29 <Plugh> Guest37874: btw, what version of OpenSim are you using?
2014-10-02 19:29 <Plugh> nebadon: Can I PM you?
2014-10-02 19:29 <nebadon> sure
2014-10-02 19:29 <Guest37874> http://pastebin.com/0h2F4R5s
2014-10-02 19:29 <Guest37874> 0.8
2014-10-02 19:35 <Plugh> Guest37874: hm... using port 465 may require encryption on the connection. That might be confusing the default mail module. Have you tried port 25?
2014-10-02 19:35 <Guest37874> didnt try
2014-10-02 19:35 <Guest37874> but i can try now
2014-10-02 19:41 <Plugh> Guest37874: BTW, I noticed you didn't use the { } in the do while loop. 
2014-10-02 19:41 <Plugh> You might be able to get away with not using them when the body is only one line but I still use them { } as a matter of habit.
2014-10-02 19:42 <Plugh> Can avoid some possible problems down the line.
2014-10-02 19:42 <Guest37874> now i get this error: 
2014-10-02 19:42 <Guest37874>  DefaultEmailModule Exception: Could not connect to 74.125.136.109:25
2014-10-02 19:43 <Guest37874> it sims that must be port 465
2014-10-02 19:43 <Wanderer_42> I do that too. And the source is better readable with {}-pairs
2014-10-02 19:45 <Guest37874> o you mean to use { } in script
2014-10-02 19:49 <Plugh> yes
2014-10-02 19:53 <Guest37874> hm
2014-10-02 19:53 <Guest37874> still the same
2014-10-02 19:55 <Guest37874> is mybe somethink else i need 
2014-10-02 19:56 <Guest37874> mybe .dll file
2014-10-02 19:57 <Plugh> There is no DLL to add.
2014-10-02 19:57 <Plugh> The problem is the use of encryption by the SMTP server.
2014-10-02 19:58 <Guest37874> o i see
2014-10-02 19:59 <Guest37874> mybe its problem in script
2014-10-02 19:59 <Guest37874> i will use this one http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlEmail
2014-10-02 20:01 <Plugh> I use it with an SMTP server I control to send mail.
2014-10-02 20:01 <Plugh> I wondered if it was a scripting error which is why I asked to see your script.
2014-10-02 20:01 <Plugh> Other than the lack of { } in the do/while I didn't see anything wrong.
2014-10-02 20:02 <Guest37874> i see
2014-10-02 20:02 <Guest37874> hm strange
2014-10-02 20:02 <Plugh> I wonder what it would take to support SSL in the mail module but I then remembered it is called DefaultMailModule. May not be meant to have anything more than basic SMTP.
2014-10-02 20:05 <Guest37874> but if i use this settings (SMTP) on php file then i can send mail
2014-10-02 20:05 <Guest37874> if i make .php file on my server
2014-10-02 20:06 <Guest37874> use apache and click on file
2014-10-02 20:07 <Guest37874> with Swift Mailer
2014-10-02 20:12 <Plugh> PHP would have a more detailed support for sending mail.
2014-10-02 20:13 <Guest37874> so you think problem is in script
2014-10-02 20:13 <Plugh> No, I think the problem is gmail requiring encryption to connect to its SMTP server.
2014-10-02 20:14 <Guest37874> o i see
2014-10-02 20:14 <Guest37874> then its best to use emailmodule
2014-10-02 20:14 <Guest37874> and without SMTP
2014-10-02 20:15 <Guest37874> like this one is : http://forge.opensimulator.org/gf/project/openemail/scmsvn/
2014-10-02 20:17 <Plugh> Or use the SMTP server on your machine.
2014-10-02 20:18 <Guest37874> ok tnx
2014-10-02 20:18 <Guest37874> i will try to setup this
2014-10-02 20:18 <Plugh> Guest37874: That module hasn't been touched in 5 years. It will need updating for use with 0.8 as the module loading method changed.
2014-10-02 20:18 <Guest37874> o i see
2014-10-02 20:19 <Guest37874> i will make to work my mail on my server and then try with SMTP
2014-10-02 20:20 <Plugh> Guest37874: I can't tell if that proof of concept email module will support encryption based on a quick look at its code.
2014-10-02 20:21 <Guest37874> ok 
2014-10-02 20:21 <Guest37874> thank you so much
2014-10-02 20:21 <Plugh> oh, maybe it would work. It is doing xmlrpc calls to an external PHP file.
2014-10-02 20:22 <Guest37874> you mean email module
2014-10-02 20:23 <Plugh> The email module you pointed to that is 5 years old passes requests to send/retrieve email to an external PHP file. The provided php module only saves/retrieves mail from a database. It could be modified to connect to an external mail server.
2014-10-02 20:24 <Plugh> It would be simpler to use an SMTP server on your own computer.
2014-10-02 20:24 <Guest37874> ok tnx
2014-10-02 20:24 <Plugh> It would let you use the default mail module.
2014-10-02 20:25 <Guest37874> do you mybe know how to configure mail server
2014-10-02 20:25 <Guest37874> i have few problems
2014-10-02 20:25 <Guest37874> i tihnk with postfix
2014-10-02 20:26 <smxy> go to #postfix for that :)
2014-10-02 20:26 <Guest37874> yes right
2014-10-02 20:26 <Guest37874> tnx gusy
2014-10-02 20:26 <Guest37874> i must go now
2014-10-02 20:26 <Guest37874> nite
2014-10-02 20:29 <Plugh> 
ACTION nebadon I also noticed Justin lists Core Developer for OpenSimulator under his work experience.

2014-10-02 20:30 <Plugh> Wow. Mid afternoon already. I think it's time for a break from the computer.
2014-10-02 20:49 <nebadon> yes Plugh, it was actually Justin who convinced me to do Linkedin in the first place heh
2014-10-02 20:49 <nebadon> I likely would not have otherwise
2014-10-02 21:20 <aa> hi
2014-10-02 21:20 <aa> is someone here?
2014-10-02 21:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #3839 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-10-02 21:37 <aa> i was be able to make sim up the problem is web interface
2014-10-02 21:38 <aa> look it http://amadeucallow.tk/index.php/install
2014-10-02 21:38 <aa> i try to install but ir failled
2014-10-02 21:38 <justincc> can't comment, never used that interface
2014-10-02 21:38 <aa> do you know any that you tested?
2014-10-02 21:39 <justincc> the only one I've used at all (and then not very much) is the diva interface
2014-10-02 21:39 <justincc> diva wifi
2014-10-02 21:41 <aa> and what about https://code.google.com/p/openmetaverse/  
2014-10-02 21:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3839: SUCCESS in 9 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3839/
2014-10-02 21:41 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Set appearance refresh to false by default.
2014-10-02 21:41 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Do not add attachments to the region scene object backup list.
2014-10-02 21:41 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Don't unnecessarily remove from backup objects that were not directly attached from the scene.
2014-10-02 21:41 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Add "debug lludp throttle log <level> <avatar-first-name> <avatar-last-name>" to control extra throttle related debug logging.
2014-10-02 21:41 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Add "debug lludp throttle status" command to return status information about a client's throttle (currently just whether adaptive is enabled).
2014-10-02 21:41 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: minor: Comment out received seed caps request logging for now
2014-10-02 21:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #3840 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-10-02 21:42 <justincc> that thnig is old.  may or may not work
2014-10-02 21:44 <aa> i'm lost again
2014-10-02 21:45 <aa> what is cia telling
2014-10-02 21:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3840: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3840/
2014-10-02 21:45 <justincc> commits going into opensim repo
2014-10-02 21:47 <aa> witch webinterface you recomend me to use ?
2014-10-02 21:47 <justincc> honestly, I think they are all either very old or have problems from my pov
2014-10-02 21:48 <smxy> I just compile Wifi with OpenSim and use that.
2014-10-02 21:49 <smxy> I believe there's binaries for it too.
2014-10-02 21:49 <justincc> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Wifi
2014-10-02 21:51 <aa> does it be compatible with last version of openim?
2014-10-02 21:52 <smxy> There should be binaries for use with 0.8*
2014-10-02 21:52 <smxy> The latest that you could compile is only compatible with dev master, curently.
2014-10-02 21:52 <smxy> currently*
2014-10-02 22:03 <AliciaRaven> hi justincc, i updated wiki for the iar commit
2014-10-02 22:08 <justincc> thanks AliciaRaven
2014-10-02 22:08 <justincc> I saw your other mantis too - hope to catch up with patches tomorrow
2014-10-02 22:08 <AliciaRaven> cool
2014-10-02 22:09 <AliciaRaven> only bug that is worrying me at the moment is scripts loosing their state but i havnt found out what it could be yet
2014-10-02 22:20 <aa> thank you smxy i will try
2014-10-02 22:22 <aa> wifi-0-8-0 does not have OpenSim inclued ?
2014-10-02 22:29 <smxy> it's an addon to opensim
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2014-10-02 23:33 <dahlia> I'd think using many bots while characterizing packet queues might be misleading because: the viewer would process incoming packets between frames and frame rates would be very low when there are many avatars in the view frustum, and also libomv bots use a separate thread for incoming packet processing so would not have the same packet-acking characteristics and associated delays
2014-10-02 23:34 <dahlia> low viewer frame rates significantly affect ping sim time
2014-10-02 23:35 <justincc> yes, it's likely far from perfect
2014-10-02 23:37 <nebadon> even if thats so we are still seeing pretty good improvement even from that load
2014-10-02 23:38 <dahlia> it is so :)
2014-10-02 23:38 <nebadon> i should say its providing enough load for us to make improvements
2014-10-02 23:38 <dahlia> ok :)
2014-10-02 23:38 <AliciaRaven> +
2014-10-02 23:40 <smxy> nebadon: FYI, recall I had a resident who couldn't upload mesh anymore, without it being destroyed in the preview and in-world? It's Firestorm. It's broken. I can't upload with it at all - as soon as I select the dae file to upload it instantly crashes every time. For her - it destroys her mesh. But I uploaded one of her models perfectly with Replex and it works for he when she uses 
2014-10-02 23:40 <smxy> Singularity.
2014-10-02 23:40 <smxy> ... works for her* ...
2014-10-02 23:41 <nebadon> cool that is odd
2014-10-02 23:41 <nebadon> i always use singularity or replex too
2014-10-02 23:42 <smxy> Even just trying to import a dae of the default blender cube crashes FS the moment I select to file for upload.
2014-10-02 23:42 <nebadon> both of you on mac?
2014-10-02 23:43 <smxy> I actually don't know what she's on. I'll have to find out. I'm using the latest 64-bit version for the Mac.
2014-10-02 23:45 <misterblue> hi all, how's the OpenSim perfomance improvements going?
2014-10-02 23:46 <nebadon> its going well misterblue
2014-10-02 23:46 <justincc> misterblue: not too bad.  Last week found the adaptive throttles don't appear to work well at high loads
2014-10-02 23:47 <justincc> disabling that did resolve some issues I think, might end up relying on the old approach of setting limits manually and evenly dividing up bw between clients
2014-10-02 23:47 <justincc> at least for the conf
2014-10-02 23:47 <nebadon> i assumed that is what it was doing if the adaptive was disabled
2014-10-02 23:48 <nebadon> i increased those numbers on the avacon grid and i updated it to the latest version last night
2014-10-02 23:48 <dahlia> I'd guess an approach may be to begin to throttle a client when packet loss starts appearing
2014-10-02 23:48 <justincc> bunch of graphs that might not be very meaninfgul -> http://imgur.com/a/DcQ6i
2014-10-02 23:49 <justincc> dahlia: yeah that's what adaptive does.  But we miay be sometimes losing sufficient packets to kill the throttle right down where it shouldn't be
2014-10-02 23:49 <justincc> gets halved on every expired packet I think
2014-10-02 23:49 <nebadon> lol i got an over capacity message at imgur
2014-10-02 23:49 <dahlia> or when ack time becomes quite long
2014-10-02 23:49 <nebadon> it was a picture of a fallen down Giraffe covered in kittens
2014-10-02 23:49 <nebadon> lol
2014-10-02 23:49 <dahlia> halved on each?
2014-10-02 23:50 <dahlia> wont take many to kill it completely
2014-10-02 23:50 <justincc> from observation - I haven't looked in detail at the code yet
2014-10-02 23:50 <justincc> yeah
2014-10-02 23:50 <justincc> observation of debug log lines
2014-10-02 23:50 <dahlia> halved on the first perhaps
2014-10-02 23:51 <dahlia> is there anything in there that looks at ack time and adjusts resend wait?
2014-10-02 23:52 <dahlia> because sometimes viewers just freeze for a while when loaded and that could trigger a lot of very delayed acks
2014-10-02 23:53 <dahlia> like if opengl starts to swap to disk
2014-10-02 23:53 <misterblue> the simulator can reach the point that it just doens't have the bandwidth to send everything that needs sending... something has to give
2014-10-02 23:54 <dahlia> ya lost packets arent necessarily bad either
2014-10-02 23:54 <justincc> there are some issues on login but it's not awful so not an area of priority for me atm
2014-10-02 23:55 <justincc> I'm more worried about behaviour under load
2014-10-02 23:55 <misterblue> the mix between simulator out bound bandwidth limitations and all of the clients having their own bandwidth limitations is a hard thing to optimize
2014-10-02 23:55 <justincc> misterblue: yes, I think though we're now meeting bulletsim limits
2014-10-02 23:55 <justincc> in terms of movement, at least
2014-10-02 23:55 <dahlia> ya just thinking that the viewers may just be overloaded and triggering a lot of the problems you are chasing
2014-10-02 23:56 <misterblue> your graphs show a spike at sample 1800... spike in physics time... do you know what that was?
2014-10-02 23:56 <justincc> it is difficult to work out cause and effect.  Certainly the expired packets could be because of inefficiencies in dealing with in and out udp, for instance
2014-10-02 23:56 <justincc> misterblue: I believe that was a glitch.  Graphs are still rough and ready, shoudl really try and cull such outliers since they do make the other data hard to see
2014-10-02 23:57 <justincc> writing graph production code is a task in itself :)
2014-10-02 23:57 <dahlia> could be, but if a viewer is very slow or momentarily freezing you'll also get many-second-long ack delays
2014-10-02 23:57 <misterblue> how many root agents causes BulletSim to reach its limit?
2014-10-02 23:57 <justincc> dahlia: yeah.  However, as neb will tell you, we saw this issue with 2 viewrs on the same machine, where one had a fine connection and the otherdid not
2014-10-02 23:58 <dahlia> "fine" connecction?
2014-10-02 23:58 <dahlia> ya not saying its the only cause
2014-10-02 23:58 <justincc> misterblue: hard to say.  There is degradation fairly early on but that might be due to other factors, like having too many threads trying to do things simultaneously
2014-10-02 23:58 <justincc> dahlia: no throttle knockdown
2014-10-02 23:58 <justincc> appears to degrade at 100 avatars, but subjectively movement is fine
2014-10-02 23:58 <misterblue> 'degrade' means topping out CPU?
2014-10-02 23:59 <justincc> it only gets super bad when I have many >50 jumping around all at once
2014-10-02 23:59 <justincc> misterblue: degrade in physicsFPS in this case.  WE actually have CPU to spare
2014-10-02 23:59 <justincc> which is the disapointing part and I think is due to opensimulator's appraoch of launching threads with wild abandon
2014-10-02 23:59 <dahlia> lol
2014-10-03 00:00 <dahlia> probably not feasible to change that approach now tho unfortunately :(
2014-10-03 00:00 <misterblue> yes.... over-threading could be a problem
2014-10-03 00:00 <justincc> it might be but we would be an awful lot of work
2014-10-03 00:00 <justincc> I thought through schemes like having a set number pof permanent thrads and assigning everything as jobs.  But at some point you're trying todo the OS scheduler's work for it
2014-10-03 00:00 <misterblue> I don't have a setup for lots of bots.... Is there some way you could run a simulator with those 50 jumping bots with physics detail logging turned on?
2014-10-03 00:01 <dahlia> for that much work may as well just redesign with a hierarchical entity-component model :) *ducks*
2014-10-03 00:01 <justincc> dahlia: heh
2014-10-03 00:01 <justincc> misterblue: I can do when I get an opportunity
2014-10-03 00:02 <misterblue> the who packet in/out processing could use a re-write... fewer threads and delaying packet creation to just before sending
2014-10-03 00:02 <dahlia> is bullet collesion processing a single thread?
2014-10-03 00:02 <justincc> still using bulletsim 2.81 btw on that branch - I'm slightly lair because someone said they had a script that could trigger phys crash every time - I need to dig into my irc to try and retrieve the details
2014-10-03 00:02 <misterblue> thanks justincc
2014-10-03 00:02 <dahlia> *collision
2014-10-03 00:02 <justincc> misterblue: tbh, that stuff is not too bad now, apart from inbound pulling from thread pool
2014-10-03 00:03 <justincc> but analysis shows it does't use an awfully large numebr of threads
2014-10-03 00:03 <misterblue> yes... BulletSim is just one thread... you can either use the heartbeat thread to do physics (old model like ODE) or have it use its own thread (heartbeat thread pickup up the updates)
2014-10-03 00:03 <dahlia> so that may be why there appears to be cpu to spare when physics fps falls?
2014-10-03 00:03 <dahlia> because the other cores are idle?
2014-10-03 00:04 <justincc> yes, that may now really be the issue
2014-10-03 00:04 <justincc> but tbh, I'm not that worried about that, remaining weeks now really have to be spent consolidating and looking at attack vectors, not doing anything highly experimental
2014-10-03 00:05 <justincc> it's good enough imo
2014-10-03 00:05 <misterblue> if you're using the seperate physics thread, yes... physics can get slower but the heartbeat thread continues to process
2014-10-03 00:05 <dahlia> ya it was good enough last year
2014-10-03 00:06 <misterblue> one of the major advantages of these conferences is that it has forced a lot of OpenSim performance improvements :)
2014-10-03 00:06 <justincc> man, I just dont' want to be embarassed :)
2014-10-03 00:06 <dahlia> :)
2014-10-03 00:07 <dahlia> 
ACTION thinks those prim fences on the borders shout "we cant get border crossing to work" and are embarrasing..

2014-10-03 00:07 <misterblue> I'm making some BulletSim changes to stomp out some possible race conditions... I should put those on a branch for the next few weeks?
2014-10-03 00:07 <justincc> misterblue: would be good, though I may well go conservative and not update unless we see crashes (so far we have had no issues)
2014-10-03 00:08 <misterblue> so you have a conference branch you're creating?
2014-10-03 00:08 <misterblue> is that 'ghost'?
2014-10-03 00:09 <misterblue> in BulletSim, I keep getting crash reports from people with hundred prim physical linksets that have scripts that change child prim positions or with big meshes
2014-10-03 00:10 <misterblue> I need to add some 'not all initialized' logic so gigantic constructions can get built before they are used
2014-10-03 00:20 <justincc> misterblue: yes ghosts, I originally created it for the hack to stop av to av collisions in bullet, but now it has some other stuff too, like serializing attachment rezzing, which has a high cpu impact with complex attachments
2014-10-03 00:21 <justincc> misterblue: I would like to control commits to taht branch so I have a good handle on exactly what the changes are
2014-10-03 00:21 <justincc> this stuff will all get back into master but I need to properly implement some of the hacks and think through if they are suitable for all situations
2014-10-03 00:25 <justincc> misterblue: I'm not too worried about phys crashes during the conf itself, as building will only occur in sandboxes (I think?).
2014-10-03 00:25 <misterblue> most of the crashes people are seeing are at startup... fetching mesh textures is a complication
2014-10-03 00:26 <misterblue> not 'mesh textures'... fetching the mesh assests
2014-10-03 00:36 <nebadon> ive not experienced anything like that misterblue
2014-10-03 00:37 <justincc> ok, time to rest.  Goodnight folks
2014-10-03 04:08 <AliciaRaven> misterblue, u there?
2014-10-03 04:09 <AliciaRaven> i have some logs with exceptions on mesh asset decodes if u want to see them
2014-10-03 05:39 <dahlia> AliciaRaven: if its an error in decoding I'd like to see it
2014-10-03 05:39 <dahlia> 
ACTION wrote the mesh decoder

2014-10-03 05:39 <AliciaRaven> dahlia i think it is, let me check
2014-10-03 05:40 <AliciaRaven> ERROR - OpenMetaverse Failed to decode mesh asset, ComponentAce.Compression.Libs.zlib.ZStreamException: inflating
2014-10-03 05:40 <AliciaRaven> want me to paste bin it?
2014-10-03 05:41 <dahlia> oh ok well there is a slight miscompatability between the zlib the viewer uses to encode and the c# decompressor
2014-10-03 05:41 <dahlia> it may be that
2014-10-03 05:42 <dahlia> I'd try re-uploading with a different viewer if possible
2014-10-03 05:43 <AliciaRaven> im not sure what mesh is causing it, cant see any issues with the region so i have been ignoring it lol
2014-10-03 05:43 <dahlia> though I thought I changed to the .net decompressor
2014-10-03 05:43 <dahlia> its probably one with a bad physics collider
2014-10-03 05:43 <AliciaRaven> gets thrown twice, once after loading land objects and then again after starting scripts up
2014-10-03 05:43 <dahlia> would collide as if its a box
2014-10-03 05:44 <dahlia> is that happening in opensim? not aurora or whitecore?
2014-10-03 05:44 <AliciaRaven> opensim, stoped using aurora long time ago lol
2014-10-03 05:45 <dahlia> ya strange that its that particular library throwing because I remember changing to a different library
2014-10-03 05:45 <AliciaRaven> thanks for the info dahlia, not what misterblue was talking about earlier then?
2014-10-03 05:46 <dahlia> not sure *scrolls back....
2014-10-03 05:46 <AliciaRaven> im running latest master so im not sure how it could be if you changed it
2014-10-03 05:46 <dahlia> oh was prolly a year ago 
2014-10-03 05:47 <AliciaRaven> could it be an old file in the bin dir i need to delete?
2014-10-03 05:47 <dahlia> unless it got messed up in a merge or something
2014-10-03 05:49 <dahlia> ya I see it using System.IO.Compression
2014-10-03 05:49 <AliciaRaven> dahlia, git history says justin recently changed Openmetaverse.dll
2014-10-03 05:50 <dahlia> but I may be a few weeks behind
2014-10-03 05:50 <dahlia> oh
2014-10-03 05:50 <AliciaRaven> commit message is Update libopenmetaverse to 0f4b361. Primarily to get a small message logging improvement for pCampbot.
2014-10-03 05:50 <dahlia> maybe justin refactored ><
2014-10-03 05:50 <AliciaRaven> that was 24th september
2014-10-03 05:51 <AliciaRaven> seems like he changed it a couple of times around that date
2014-10-03 05:51 <dahlia> I remember lkalif took my decompression routine and put it in libomv
2014-10-03 05:51 <dahlia> my old one
2014-10-03 05:51 <dahlia> not the new one
2014-10-03 05:51 <dahlia> maybe someone thought they were cleaning house 
2014-10-03 05:52 <dahlia> 
ACTION pulls git master...

2014-10-03 05:53 <AliciaRaven> i had assumed it was some corupted asset but as there was no problems in world i left it alone
2014-10-03 05:55 <dahlia> I think its that crappy c# zlib port that we used to use somehow crept back in
2014-10-03 05:59 <dahlia> no git master looks correct
2014-10-03 05:59 <dahlia> AliciaRaven: can you paste more?
2014-10-03 06:00 <AliciaRaven> dahlia: yep will do
2014-10-03 06:01 <AliciaRaven> dahlia: http://pastebin.com/vgYGvK1b
2014-10-03 06:03 <dahlia> hmmm I dont understand why its calling it in OpenMetaverse
2014-10-03 06:03 <dahlia> is that the complete exception text?
2014-10-03 06:04 <AliciaRaven> yes, first ones are after Loading land objects from storage, 2 errors same message, then after it starts to load scripts it errors twice again
2014-10-03 06:04 <dahlia> could it be from some non-core module?
2014-10-03 06:05 <dahlia> "OpenMetaverse Failed to decode mesh asset" doesnt exist in core
2014-10-03 06:05 <AliciaRaven> not that i know of, i will do a search in my code
2014-10-03 06:06 <dahlia> I'd need to see the entire exception text
2014-10-03 06:06 <AliciaRaven> that error message isnt in my code, could it be warp3d map module?
2014-10-03 06:07 <dahlia> oh
2014-10-03 06:07 <dahlia> I bet it is
2014-10-03 06:07 <dahlia> sorry Warp3d is not my creation :)
2014-10-03 06:07 <AliciaRaven> ah, that damn module causes alot of problems, but the maps are so pritty lol
2014-10-03 06:07 <dahlia> 
ACTION avoids all contact with warp3d

2014-10-03 06:08 <dahlia> although libomv really should use my newer decompressor
2014-10-03 06:08 <dahlia> lkalif: ping
2014-10-03 06:08 <AliciaRaven> good to know whats causing it tho, thanks :)
2014-10-03 06:08 <dahlia> could try disabling warp3d
2014-10-03 06:09 <AliciaRaven> i will next time i restart that server
2014-10-03 06:10 <smxy> It originated in Fortis and I convinced Mel it should be ported to Core. Blame me. :P
2014-10-03 06:10 <dahlia> lkalif: libomv really should use the DecompressOsd() thats at like 551 in Meshmerizer.cs
2014-10-03 06:11 <AliciaRaven> smxy, warp3d may have problems but its still better than core, aslong as u dont want to update the map too oftern lol
2014-10-03 06:11 <dahlia> I started writing a software renderer in c#, got as far as filling a textured arbitrary triangle and shelved it for stuff that was more fun :P
2014-10-03 06:11 <smxy> Yes, it leaks mem like a seive so you can only run it once at region start.
2014-10-03 06:12 <dahlia> it should run as an external process
2014-10-03 06:12 <dahlia> that way it can mess up as bad as it wants and then go away
2014-10-03 06:15 <AliciaRaven> justin added some extra clean up and then on my code i added some extra so it doesnt leak as bad as it used to atleased
2014-10-03 06:15 <AliciaRaven> havnt tried changing the update value from 0 since then tho
2014-10-03 06:15 <smxy> "at least" :)
2014-10-03 06:16 <smxy> Yes, I'm a Grammar Nazi. :)
2014-10-03 06:16 <dahlia> well mono has trouble GCing when you create a bazillion small objects and then dereference them
2014-10-03 06:16 <dahlia> .NET seems ok but Ive seen mono leak like crazy
2014-10-03 06:17 <AliciaRaven> yes even with the update on warp disabled i notice memory creeps up
2014-10-03 06:17 <dahlia> mono devs couldn't figure it out but suspected a bug in their runtime libs
2014-10-03 06:17 <dahlia> ya memory fluctuates a lot, depending on if/when the GC decides to run
2014-10-03 06:18 <smxy> I force it every 20 minutes or so.
2014-10-03 06:18 <dahlia> cant really force it, its only a suggestion
2014-10-03 06:20 <smxy> 01:42:17 - [SERVER BASE]: Running 'force gc'
2014-10-03 06:20 <smxy> Manually invoking runtime garbage collection
2014-10-03 06:21 <smxy> That seems like it does it.
2014-10-03 06:21 <dahlia> its only a suggestion
2014-10-03 06:21 <dahlia> the GC can and will ignore it
2014-10-03 11:58 <osmantis> Bug #7337:04 [SCENE COMMUNIATION SERVICE]:  typo in module name reported. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7337 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2014-10-03 22:34 <zontreck> justincc : I have a suggestion and or question about IAR. If a content creator sets their stuff to no modify, is it planned eventually to make it so if a person exports their inventory with no modify / no copy content that it'll not be included or somehow lock it so it cant be editted in the DB? I want to bring my products over to a few grids from SL, but to me this would be a security hole that'd allow someone to force the permission
2014-10-03 22:34 <zontreck> modifyable on my scripts if they exported their inventory to say, a standalone instance of OpenSim.
2014-10-03 22:35 <justincc> zontreck: very recently, an option was introduced to allow IARs to be saved whilst filtering out items without certain permissions (e.g. modify).  However, that can't be enforced as mandatory at the server level
2014-10-03 22:37 <zontreck> justincc : what about a robust lock on the permissions? If someone other than the creator were to request it without sufficient permissions, perhaps have Robust return a blank asset or predefined asset to satisfy the IAR so it doesnt say not found.
2014-10-03 22:38 <justincc> it would be trivial to get around that by simply rezzing in the region and then copying the asets as they came in
2014-10-03 22:39 <zontreck> well, it was just a thought. That'd be what i can think of that would be stopping most product creators, other than a economy, to put their stuff on another grid.
2014-10-03 22:56 <dahlia> zontreck: there are closed opensim-based grids with economies and they are just as secure as SL is, like Avination or InWorldz. That said, even SL is insecure as any hacked viewer can copy anything except maybe scripts.
2014-10-03 22:57 <zontreck> dahlia: The object design wasn't my concern, it was the scripts im more worried about
2014-10-03 22:58 <dahlia> ya scripts should have similar security as in SL on closed grids
2014-10-03 22:59 <smxy> You'll never protect them from people who can modify the code.
2014-10-03 22:59 <dahlia> different grids usually dont use the default script engine in OpenSim so I can't really say for sure exactly how secure they are but it should be similar
2014-10-03 23:00 <zontreck> dahlia: i thought that XEngine was the only one ?
2014-10-03 23:00 <dahlia> ya if it gets out into the hypergrid, forget it. You'll probably need to use social or legal enforcement rather than technical
2014-10-03 23:01 <dahlia> zontreck: XEngine is the only one in core but closed grids have other ones they wrote
2014-10-03 23:01 <dahlia> I think the one on aurora/whitecore is different also
2014-10-03 23:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #3841 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-10-03 23:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3841: SUCCESS in 8 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3841/
2014-10-03 23:25 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add LSL transaction_result event.
2014-10-03 23:45 <Arielle_> Couldnt a creator set up a server themselves that would allow scripts to be activated from wherever someone who has bought their product, is?
2014-10-04 01:48 <osmantis> Bug #7329:04 [PATCH] Scripts including transaction_result fail to compile 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7329 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-04 02:02 <smxy> You know how Microsoft just skipped Windows 9 and is going right to 10?
2014-10-04 02:02 <smxy> Apparently InfoWorld joked about that on Aril 1, 2013: http://www.infoworld.com/article/2613504/microsoft-windows/microsoft-windows-microsoft-skips-too-good-windows-9-jumps-to-windows-10.html
2014-10-04 02:03 <smxy> LOL
2014-10-04 03:43 <zontreck> does anyone know how to fix an error stating that a NPC has no inventory so appearance wont work?
2014-10-04 03:44 <nebadon> are you loading the NPC appearance from a notecard?
2014-10-04 03:44 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OSSLNPC
2014-10-04 03:45 <zontreck> Tried it both ways, Notecard and avatar UUID
2014-10-04 03:45 <zontreck> let me post this to pastebin
2014-10-04 03:46 <zontreck> http://pastebin.com/vmbezebD
2014-10-04 03:47 <nebadon> hmm I am not sure what that means
2014-10-04 03:49 <zontreck> i checked my opensim.ini and NPC is on, im just not sure why my NPC remains a cloud.
2014-10-04 03:50 <zontreck> and im kinda laughing at this error since this is a release version of OpenSim, 0.8.0.1
2014-10-04 03:51 <nebadon> it looks to me like maybe the notecard isnt formatted correctly or somemthing maybe
2014-10-04 03:51 <nebadon> how are you generating the notecard?
2014-10-04 03:51 <zontreck> thats from my avatar UUID (owner of the object).  so, osNpcCreate("Zeenai","Helper",llGetPos(), llgetOwner()
2014-10-04 03:52 <zontreck> same error happens with a loading of the notecard saved by osOwnerSaveAppearance, or osAgentSaveAppearance
2014-10-04 03:53 <nebadon> are you using a script directly from the wiki?
2014-10-04 03:53 <zontreck> i can say i tested this with the Clone script and it provides the same error
2014-10-04 03:53 <nebadon> hmm
2014-10-04 03:53 <nebadon> this one?
2014-10-04 03:54 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OSSLNPC#Sensing
2014-10-04 03:54 <zontreck> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/User:Dz/NPC_Scripts - basic clone script
2014-10-04 03:55 <nebadon> i just tried the script i pasted above
2014-10-04 03:55 <nebadon> and it worked on my sim
2014-10-04 03:55 <zontreck> let me try it then.
2014-10-04 03:56 <zontreck> No, same error on the log
2014-10-04 03:58 <zontreck> I'm using OpenSim release 0.8.0.1, if that makes a difference
2014-10-04 03:58 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/npc_clone1.png
2014-10-04 03:59 <nebadon> no really shouldnt
2014-10-04 03:59 <zontreck> want me to paste the opensim.ini?
2014-10-04 03:59 <nebadon> im running slightly newer code, but i know it should work just fine in the release as well
2014-10-04 04:00 <nebadon> sure 
2014-10-04 04:03 <zontreck> http://pastebin.com/pwKRR7D3 - opensim.ini
2014-10-04 04:09 <nebadon> ok and the person running these scripts is either the estate manager or parcel owner?
2014-10-04 04:13 <zontreck> Yes, me
2014-10-04 04:13 <zontreck> I'm both parcel owner and estate owner/manager
2014-10-04 04:14 <nebadon> hmm
2014-10-04 04:15 <nebadon> I dont see anything that looks wrong there
2014-10-04 04:15 <nebadon> is this on windows or linux?
2014-10-04 04:16 <zontreck> Linux
2014-10-04 04:16 <zontreck> mono JIT compiler 3.2.8
2014-10-04 04:21 <nebadon> ok that should work fine
2014-10-04 04:21 <nebadon> ok i see one thing that may be your problem 
2014-10-04 04:21 <nebadon> AppDomainLoading = true
2014-10-04 04:22 <nebadon> change that to false in linux zontreck
2014-10-04 04:22 <nebadon> see if it makes a difference
2014-10-04 04:22 <nebadon> even if it doesnt you want that set to false in linux
2014-10-04 04:23 <zontreck> alright, one sec
2014-10-04 04:23 <zontreck> I'm testing it
2014-10-04 04:26 <zontreck> same error message
2014-10-04 04:27 <nebadon> hmm
2014-10-04 04:31 <nebadon> i am pretty stumped
2014-10-04 04:31 <zontreck> if i download the GIT, will i be able to run a sim using the latest code on a 0.8.01 robust?
2014-10-04 04:31 <nebadon> your installing mono from repository?
2014-10-04 04:31 <nebadon> sure
2014-10-04 04:32 <zontreck> then im gonna just try that
2014-10-04 04:32 <nebadon> there hasnt been any significant change there for a while
2014-10-04 04:32 <dahlia> are you talking about this error" "Text node cannot appear in this state.  Line 1, position 1."
2014-10-04 04:32 <nebadon> yes
2014-10-04 04:32 <dahlia> thats an xml parser error
2014-10-04 04:32 <nebadon> any clue dahlia?
2014-10-04 04:32 <dahlia> bad appearance notecard
2014-10-04 04:32 <dahlia> invalid xml
2014-10-04 04:32 <nebadon> right be he said it happens even with the clone script
2014-10-04 04:32 <nebadon> that basically just clones by name or uuid
2014-10-04 04:32 <dahlia> try a notecard
2014-10-04 04:32 <nebadon> it worked ok for me
2014-10-04 04:32 <zontreck> this sounds like a opensim bug to me
2014-10-04 04:33 <nebadon> i think he tried both
2014-10-04 04:33 <zontreck> lol
2014-10-04 04:33 <nebadon> i dont think so zontreck
2014-10-04 04:33 <nebadon> how did you install mono?
2014-10-04 04:33 <zontreck> apt-get install mono-complete
2014-10-04 04:33 <dahlia> is he in US? How is the machine localized?
2014-10-04 04:33 <nebadon> ok ya thats good
2014-10-04 04:33 <nebadon> ah ya good point
2014-10-04 04:33 <zontreck> US
2014-10-04 04:33 <dahlia> check the XML
2014-10-04 04:33 <nebadon> ok the server is set for en_us?
2014-10-04 04:34 <nebadon> definitely give compiling it yourself a try
2014-10-04 04:34 <nebadon> i will be surprised if there is a difference though
2014-10-04 04:34 <nebadon> its working for me though on 0.8.1+
2014-10-04 04:35 <zontreck> im cloning the repo as we speak, but yea, the server is setup for en_us
2014-10-04 04:36 <dahlia> check your xml
2014-10-04 04:36 <dahlia> make sure the script is getting valid xml
2014-10-04 04:36 <dahlia> probably also may want to check that its utf8
2014-10-04 04:36 <zontreck> from what i see in the notecard, and doing a osgetnotecard to verify the content is saved, it looks valid.
2014-10-04 04:37 <dahlia> maybe theres some hidden bogus character in it?
2014-10-04 04:37 <zontreck> i dunno where it'd be?
2014-10-04 04:38 <dahlia> line 1 position 1
2014-10-04 04:38 <zontreck> <
2014-10-04 04:39 <zontreck> thats the character at line 1, pos 1: "<"
2014-10-04 04:39 <dahlia> thats the one you see? I'm thinking maybe theres a hidden character in front of it
2014-10-04 04:39 <zontreck> theres not
2014-10-04 04:39 <dahlia> k
2014-10-04 04:44 <zontreck> okay how weird.. even on the latest git code its failing
2014-10-04 04:45 <dahlia> maybe its not the notecard xml, maybe its a missing asset
2014-10-04 04:46 <dahlia> like its trying to read xml from a asset that doesnt exist
2014-10-04 04:46 <nebadon> ya maybe a broke attachment you are wearing
2014-10-04 04:46 <nebadon> try replacing outfit 100%
2014-10-04 04:47 <nebadon> start with a very basic ruth like avatar if possible
2014-10-04 04:47 <nebadon> no attachments, just the basics
2014-10-04 04:47 <dahlia> like maybe an asset that was in region cache at one time but expired since
2014-10-04 04:47 <zontreck> alright, i'll try it
2014-10-04 04:49 <zontreck> okay the ruth avatar worked
2014-10-04 04:49 <dahlia> ya likely an asset it doesnt have
2014-10-04 04:50 <zontreck> how strange. how can i resolve that?
2014-10-04 04:50 <nebadon> find the broken attachment
2014-10-04 04:51 <nebadon> now put back on 1 piece at a time the old appearance
2014-10-04 04:51 <nebadon> until it breaks
2014-10-04 04:51 <dahlia> is it in your inventory?
2014-10-04 04:51 <nebadon> then you know what part is broken
2014-10-04 05:02 <zontreck> fixed, seems i needed to just reset my appearance and re-wear everything for some reason
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2014-10-04 13:08 <SirFrank> what is the latest version of mono anyone is using on opensim? 
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2014-10-04 13:10 <jakdaniels> 3.8.0
2014-10-04 13:10 <jakdaniels> 3.8.0 Frank____
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2014-10-06 21:22 <osmantis> Bug #7329:04 [PATCH] Scripts including transaction_result fail to compile 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7329 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-06 21:28 <osmantis> Bug #7329:04 [PATCH] Scripts including transaction_result fail to compile 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7329 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-10-07 00:09 <osmantis> Bug #7340:04 SigSegv crash caused by HttpListener passing invalid arguments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7340 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-07 00:13 <justincc> hey nebadon
2014-10-07 00:15 <nebadon> hello justincc
2014-10-07 00:15 <nebadon> whats up
2014-10-07 00:15 <justincc> nebadon: so, those figures in ClientStack.LindenUDP are in bytes per second, not bits
2014-10-07 00:16 <nebadon> ok do you think they need adjusting at all?
2014-10-07 00:17 <justincc> current effective is 20 mbit for scene and 2.8 mbit per client
2014-10-07 00:18 <justincc> nebadon: I don't know is my asnwer at the moment, tbh
2014-10-07 00:18 <nebadon> ok so thats pretty good then
2014-10-07 00:18 <justincc> probably just leave them as is
2014-10-07 00:18 <nebadon> maybe too high even heh
2014-10-07 00:18 <justincc> do you knwo for sure that the server limit is working?
2014-10-07 00:18 <nebadon> not necessarily no
2014-10-07 00:19 <justincc> ok, I'm not seeing waht I expect in tests atm
2014-10-07 00:19 <nebadon> not sure its ever been scientificly proven to work
2014-10-07 00:19 <justincc> but what I really need to do is write some regression tests to back all that up - this is not easy code to read
2014-10-07 00:19 <justincc> I'm pretty sure setting at run time does not/was never written to work, so that may not be availabkle tomorrow
2014-10-07 00:19 <justincc> I need to switch my attention back to bots tomorrow
2014-10-07 00:20 <nebadon> ok
2014-10-07 00:20 <nebadon> sounds good
2014-10-07 00:20 <justincc> nebadon: if it's not working, then potentially allow 2.8 mbit per client may be a bit much
2014-10-07 00:21 <nebadon> yes
2014-10-07 00:21 <nebadon> thats what i am thinking as well
2014-10-07 00:21 <nebadon> maybe with adaptive it was more effective
2014-10-07 00:21 <nebadon> felt more like it was working
2014-10-07 00:21 <justincc> adaptive was pretty brutal in starting from a low base
2014-10-07 00:21 <justincc> if it ever got to high to saturate the link, you would start losing reliable packets and it would get throttled back
2014-10-07 00:22 <justincc> I need to write tests to make sure I fully understand how stuff works before contemplating any fixes, and that won't get done for tomorrow
2014-10-07 00:22 <nebadon> ok
2014-10-07 00:23 <justincc> nebadon: possibly could go  to 500 kbit per client
2014-10-07 00:23 <justincc> which would be a setting of 500 * 1000 / 8 = 62500
2014-10-07 00:23 <justincc> man, it would be so much easier if these settings were in kbits
2014-10-07 00:24 <justincc> nebadon: we can;t go back to adaptive, perf is just too bad under the keynote conditions
2014-10-07 00:27 <nebadon> ya
2014-10-07 00:27 <nebadon> i didnt expect we would be going back
2014-10-07 00:29 <justincc> hmmmm
2014-10-07 00:32 <justincc> ok, I was confused by the whole bits/bytes shenanigans earlier - it looks like it does work
2014-10-07 00:32 <nebadon> ok cool
2014-10-07 00:32 <justincc> though there's what I would call a bug there
2014-10-07 00:34 <justincc> a client requesting higher bw will get a bigger share of a limited pie
2014-10-07 00:35 <justincc> and it doesn't work atm completely on dynamic setting, you actually need a client to first make a new bw request
2014-10-07 00:35 <justincc> but that should in principle be fixable
2014-10-07 00:35 <nebadon> cool
2014-10-07 00:36 <justincc> so if you were sharing 20 mbit between 40 clients, one approach would be to have a max of 50 kbps each
2014-10-07 00:36 <justincc> but that's probably too low as not all clients need to pull down so much data at once
2014-10-07 00:37 <justincc> although none of that effects texture dl, which is the big bw use
2014-10-07 00:37 <justincc> A low limit would replicate the effects seen atm for some where objects take a long time to pop in after login
2014-10-07 00:39 <justincc> nebadon: food for thought.  ok, I'm going to rest now, see you tomorrow
2014-10-07 00:39 <justincc> 
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2014-10-07 06:15 <osmantis> Bug #7341:04 Truncation error storing asset data PGSQL - Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7341 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-10-07 14:00 <osmantis> Bug #7343:04 JsonRpc request 'avatar_properties_request' to http://hg.viewtwo.net code -32600 No handler 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7343 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-10-07 14:00 <osmantis> Bug #7343:04 JsonRpc request 'avatar_properties_request' to http://hg.viewtwo.net code -32600 No handler 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7343 ): has been UPDATED.
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2014-10-07 16:58 <justincc> hey nebadon, around atm?
2014-10-07 17:08 <nebadon> hey
2014-10-07 17:08 <nebadon> whats going on justincc
2014-10-07 17:08 <justincc> nebadon: could you update keynotes in a sec?
2014-10-07 17:08 <nebadon> sure
2014-10-07 17:08 <nebadon> just say when
2014-10-07 17:09 <justincc> when
2014-10-07 17:09 <justincc> also, are you going to adjust scene and client throttle max?
2014-10-07 17:10 <justincc> or shall I?
2014-10-07 17:11 <nebadon> you can
2014-10-07 17:11 <nebadon> i can too, what do you want it set too?
2014-10-07 17:11 <justincc> ok, I'll let you know when I've done it
2014-10-07 17:11 <justincc> probably 20 mbit total and max 500 kbit each client
2014-10-07 17:11 <nebadon> ok cool i'll wait to restart then
2014-10-07 17:11 <nebadon> ok cool
2014-10-07 17:11 <nebadon> let me know when its changed and I will restart
2014-10-07 17:14 <justincc> nebadon: alright, I'm going to be bad and take 20 minutes to see if I can quickly hack something in to adjust client throttle max on the fly in case that's too low
2014-10-07 17:14 <justincc> nebadon: sorry, that will take us up to the wire yet again
2014-10-07 17:15 <nebadon> ok no problem
2014-10-07 17:36 <justincc> nebadon: ok, pls update.  not perfect but will have to do for now
2014-10-07 17:37 <nebadon> k
2014-10-07 17:42 <nebadon> ok justincc done
2014-10-07 17:43 <justincc> ok thanks.  Today I will be logging in bots during the meeting itself.  How many are you planing to have yourself on the regions?
2014-10-07 17:44 <nebadon> 20 on each region
2014-10-07 17:44 <nebadon> i only have 80 bot accounts at the moment
2014-10-07 17:44 <justincc> ok
2014-10-07 17:47 <justincc> ok, kn2 did not start up cleanly - scripts never got enabled
2014-10-07 17:47 <justincc> I am going to recycle the keynotes momentarily
2014-10-07 17:48 <justincc> that's the second time I've seen this happen now
2014-10-07 17:48 <nebadon> hmm ok 
2014-10-07 17:49 <nebadon> is it ok for me to start loggin in my bots now?
2014-10-07 17:49 <justincc> one sdecond
2014-10-07 17:49 <nebadon> k
2014-10-07 17:52 <justincc> nebadon: ok, go ahead.  I have bots actively logging in. 
2014-10-07 17:53 <nebadon> ok
2014-10-07 18:00 <nebadon> Meeting is starting for anyone wanting to attend at http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 Staff Zone 1
2014-10-07 19:51 <BlueWall> my viewer is pretty unresponsive and it's changing my chat
2014-10-07 19:53 <justincc> wierd, glad you didn't haveastroke :)
2014-10-07 19:53 <justincc> scene seems okay for the rest of us
2014-10-07 19:53 <BlueWall> yeah, something in my side.
2014-10-07 19:55 <BlueWall> I was saying that the rezzing the root avatars region first is pretty good, especially if you want them to get in and seated right away.
2014-10-07 19:56 <justincc> rezzing was quick today because I completely disabled throttles
2014-10-07 19:56 <justincc> or rather, server-side throttle limits
2014-10-07 19:57 <BlueWall> I see
2014-10-07 19:57 <justincc> on kn1 only
2014-10-07 19:58 <BlueWall> if you did the same on the others, then the neighbors would rez first like always?
2014-10-07 19:58 <justincc> I suspec tthey would be quicker if there is still some delay seen on kn1
2014-10-07 19:59 <justincc> the root region is sending more traffic
2014-10-07 19:59 <justincc> although also, kn1 is where almost all real ppl are, so might be some effect from that, though I suspect it's a more general thing
2014-10-07 19:59 <BlueWall> usually the neighbors there rez long before my root region
2014-10-07 23:47 <justincc> nebadon: just fyi, I'm playing with some throttle settings in kn4 briefly
2014-10-07 23:58 <justincc> nebadon: ok, back to normal
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2014-10-08 03:20 <zadarkAlt1> misterblue: you available? if not I will call again tomorrow
2014-10-08 03:31 <nebadon> hello zadarkAlt1
2014-10-08 03:32 <zadarkAlt1> hello neb
2014-10-08 03:34 <zadarkAlt1> I am tracing a sim crash when using independantly rotating 2 linked prims, I have caught the exception, just want to know if it enough to work with. http://pastebin.com/VmZHPaVT
2014-10-08 03:35 <nebadon> this is in a linkset a child prim using lltargetomega and the whole thing is physical?
2014-10-08 03:35 <nebadon> or no lltargetomega?
2014-10-08 03:35 <zadarkAlt1> yes it is physical, when the issue occurs
2014-10-08 03:40 <zadarkAlt1> It is specific to a range of values that are not easy to reproduce, if the data provided is sufficient then all well and good, otherwise we willl have to dig deeper.
2014-10-08 09:28 <osmantis> Bug #7344:04 Error loading profile data with PGSQL for UserProfilesData in Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7344 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-10-08 10:40 <osmantis> Bug #7344:04 Error loading profile data with PGSQL for UserProfilesData in Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7344 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-10-08 10:42 <osmantis> Bug #7336:04 PGSQL exception Groups Handler 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7336 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-10-08 20:16 <Plugh> How do I determine what version of OS contains a given commit? The commit hash is cbc9ae89
2014-10-08 20:17 <AllenKerensky> something like git --show-rev <hash> I think
2014-10-08 20:19 <Plugh> That will give me the OS release number?
2014-10-08 20:19 <AllenKerensky> no, you should look in the tags for that I think
2014-10-08 20:19 <AllenKerensky> I am not very "up" on all the hows of using git for things
2014-10-08 20:20 <Plugh> Give me version numbers on commits instead of hash codes any day. :)
2014-10-08 20:20 <Plugh> I'll have to assume the grid I'm trying to write a script for is out of date and doesn't have the patch I commited a while back.
2014-10-08 20:22 <Plugh> hm... how about a page that lists the release dates of OpenSim versions
2014-10-08 20:24 <Plugh> Can't be bothered to deal with it right now. I need a break. bbl
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2014-10-08 22:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #3842 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-10-08 22:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3842: SUCCESS in 9 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3842/
2014-10-08 22:19 <osjenkins> jjustincc: HG Restricted appearance checking code is only called when HG teleporting via the map but bypassed completely when teleporting via landmarks. This fixes this by including a call when acting on landmarks. Does not affect local grid teleports as flags are checked.
2014-10-08 22:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #3843 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-10-08 22:21 <osmantis> Bug #7335:04 [Patch] Fix restricted appearance checks not called for landmark teleports 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7335 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-10-08 22:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3843: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3843/
2014-10-08 22:23 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Use Scene or IEntityTransferModule directly in HGEntityTransferModule instead of casting or re-obtaining module.
2014-10-08 22:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #3844 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-10-08 22:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3844: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3844/
2014-10-08 22:40 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Change thread of osForceAttachToOvtherAvatarFromInventory to VeryHigh from Severe
2014-10-08 22:41 <osmantis> Bug #4492:04 impliments osForceSit(string avatar) & overload osForceSit(string avatar, string target) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4492 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-10-09 01:08 <Wanderer_42> Hi. Is that known, that the moving_start() and moving_end() events are not working in opensim? Or is there something, that has to be configured? 
2014-10-09 01:09 <BlueWall> I think I used moving_end in a script with keyframed motion a few days ago and it worked.
2014-10-09 01:12 <Wanderer_42> Here it doesnt work. In inworldz it doesnt work, too
2014-10-09 01:12 <nebadon> what viewer?
2014-10-09 01:12 <Wanderer_42> firestorm
2014-10-09 01:12 <Wanderer_42> coudl that be a viewer-problem ?
2014-10-09 01:12 <BlueWall> also how are you moving the object?
2014-10-09 01:12 <Wanderer_42> i wear that object as attachment
2014-10-09 01:13 <Wanderer_42> in sl it works
2014-10-09 01:13 <nebadon> i dont know for sure Wanderer_42 i was just wondering
2014-10-09 01:13 <BlueWall> is the object pulling your avatar?
2014-10-09 01:13 <Wanderer_42> good idea, i test it right now
2014-10-09 01:13 <Wanderer_42> no
2014-10-09 01:13 <Wanderer_42> its asimple attachment
2014-10-09 01:14 <nebadon> oh attachment might complicate matters
2014-10-09 01:14 <BlueWall> I've had attachemnts that pull the avatar and it worked in that
2014-10-09 01:14 <nebadon> what viewer are you using BlueWall?
2014-10-09 01:15 <BlueWall> it was a long time ago
2014-10-09 01:15 <Wanderer_42> Same problem with singularity
2014-10-09 01:15 <nebadon> i remember your escalator thing
2014-10-09 01:15 <BlueWall> no, this was an attachment
2014-10-09 01:16 <BlueWall> it was a combat system, and it acted as a leash
2014-10-09 01:16 <Wanderer_42> Its a simple project-beginning. It just say something on moving_start and at moving_end
2014-10-09 01:16 <BlueWall> I don't know if it would work just having the avatar moving 
2014-10-09 01:17 <BlueWall> in SL, there is a moving_start when the avatar walks?
2014-10-09 01:18 <nebadon> i have never even used these functions here or in SL not at all familiar with them myself
2014-10-09 01:18 <Wanderer_42> yes, moving_start is triggered, when you start moving. anf movin_end is triggered, when you stop
2014-10-09 01:18 <Wanderer_42> so that events dont fire endless
2014-10-09 01:19 <BlueWall> maybe we don't fire them unless the movement is script driven?
2014-10-09 01:20 <Wanderer_42> Dont know. But in that case it is an bug. Because that events are intended for avatar-moving
2014-10-09 01:21 <BlueWall> yep, I think I used it in SL to detect when a prim moved with the build tool or something like that
2014-10-09 01:22 <BlueWall> it seems that it would fire when the prim moved in that case
2014-10-09 01:22 <Wanderer_42> I will file a mantis tomorrow
2014-10-09 01:23 <BlueWall> ok
2014-10-09 01:23 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: Turned out the grid code was recent enough. I was missing a trailing ? on the URL before I added all the parameters for the call I was making to an external web site.
2014-10-09 01:25 <AliciaRaven> hi BlueWall, have u had time to investigate that permission thing?
2014-10-09 01:25 <BlueWall> not much
2014-10-09 01:25 <BlueWall> do me a favor - file a mantis with the details, make it private
2014-10-09 01:25 <Plugh> BlueWall: Were you getting smooth action with the moving_end in a script?
2014-10-09 01:26 <BlueWall> yes
2014-10-09 01:26 <AliciaRaven> ok will do, was just thinking the same lol
2014-10-09 01:26 <Plugh> BlueWall: nice
2014-10-09 01:27 <BlueWall> I have seen issues with things like `at_target` miss events when moving though
2014-10-09 01:28 <Plugh> I had been using at_target and the motion wasn't smooth. I'll have to see how it works with moving_end.
2014-10-09 01:32 <BlueWall> when I used at_target, it was to detect when the object had moved to where I wanted it, then I stopped movement ...
2014-10-09 01:34 <BlueWall> with the moving_end, it was with the keyframed motion. So the movement stopped when all the keyframes were complete.
2014-10-09 01:34 <Plugh> I was using it to detect when to issue the next move as part of following a track.
2014-10-09 01:37 <BlueWall> thanks AliciaRaven
2014-10-09 01:38 <AliciaRaven> np BlueWall, should i close the mantis about that last patch for buysell or wait? want me to see if i can fix the one for buying copies?
2014-10-09 01:39 <BlueWall> ohh, just close it since that part is done.
2014-10-09 01:39 <AliciaRaven> ok thanks :)
2014-10-09 01:40 <osmantis> Bug #7340:04 SigSegv crash caused by HttpListener passing invalid arguments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7340 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-09 01:41 <osmantis> Bug #7334:04 [Patch] Fix click action not being reset after buying prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7334 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-10-09 01:50 <BlueWall> nebadon, when I found out how to see the counts of things in blender, I found the terrain I was working on had nearly 600K vertices 0.0
2014-10-09 01:55 <nebadon> lol
2014-10-09 01:55 <nebadon> ya that is pretty bad
2014-10-09 01:56 <nebadon> though depending on how many regions that covers maybe not
2014-10-09 01:56 <BlueWall> I used that decimator to get it down
2014-10-09 01:56 <nebadon> as long as you slice it up proper
2014-10-09 01:56 <BlueWall> it is one piece
2014-10-09 01:56 <BlueWall> 3x3
2014-10-09 01:56 <nebadon> thats too big
2014-10-09 01:56 <nebadon> you should slice that
2014-10-09 01:56 <BlueWall> 1/region?
2014-10-09 01:56 <nebadon> quite a bit infact
2014-10-09 01:56 <nebadon> you could try that
2014-10-09 01:56 <nebadon> i find more is better
2014-10-09 01:56 <nebadon> anywhere from 16 to 64 per region
2014-10-09 01:56 <nebadon> depending on the data set i start with
2014-10-09 01:56 <BlueWall> like the old sculpty ones you did before
2014-10-09 01:56 <nebadon> im using GIS data mostly
2014-10-09 01:56 <nebadon> right
2014-10-09 01:57 <nebadon> you can get much better texture detail that way
2014-10-09 01:57 <nebadon> if its just 1 texture then its 1024x1024 over 9 regions thats too stretched
2014-10-09 01:57 <nebadon> you could put 8 texture faces
2014-10-09 01:57 <BlueWall> hmm, in blender, I could keep all of them in there
2014-10-09 01:57 <nebadon> but that generally doesnt break up evenly 
2014-10-09 01:57 <nebadon> you could do like 8 512x1024
2014-10-09 01:58 <nebadon> textures
2014-10-09 01:58 <BlueWall> yeah, the texturing doens't look great on this
2014-10-09 01:58 <nebadon> ya slicing it up lets you increase texture resolution considerably
2014-10-09 01:58 <BlueWall> I will try that
2014-10-09 01:58 <nebadon> 16 per region works well
2014-10-09 01:58 <nebadon> then you can up the accuracy too
2014-10-09 01:59 <nebadon> just dont exceed 16k verts per tile
2014-10-09 01:59 <BlueWall> it is a pita to learn all of this
2014-10-09 01:59 <nebadon> indeed it is
2014-10-09 01:59 <nebadon> also for terrain
2014-10-09 01:59 <Plugh> What are you working on?
2014-10-09 01:59 <nebadon> never use the viewer generated LOD for physics
2014-10-09 01:59 <BlueWall> a 3x3 var region with mesh terrain
2014-10-09 01:59 <nebadon> always say selct from file
2014-10-09 02:00 <BlueWall> ohhh, I thought about that
2014-10-09 02:00 <nebadon> and browse to the same file you are uploading for mesh
2014-10-09 02:00 <nebadon> for buildings its ok
2014-10-09 02:00 <BlueWall> you could decimate it further for th ephysics?
2014-10-09 02:00 <nebadon> but for terrain always have it be 1:1 maximum quality
2014-10-09 02:00 <BlueWall> ok
2014-10-09 02:00 <nebadon> you could but i wouldnt
2014-10-09 02:00 <nebadon> because you end up sinking into terrain
2014-10-09 02:00 <nebadon> or hovering above it
2014-10-09 02:00 <BlueWall> how do you get a clean cut of those?
2014-10-09 02:00 <nebadon> the physics need to match 100% with the visual layer for terrain
2014-10-09 02:00 <BlueWall> once they are a model.
2014-10-09 02:01 <nebadon> otherwise lots of artifacts
2014-10-09 02:01 <nebadon> well there are various ways to cut it
2014-10-09 02:01 <nebadon> the right way would have been to use arrays from the start
2014-10-09 02:01 <nebadon> basically you make a 256x256 vertice plane
2014-10-09 02:01 <nebadon> assign an array modifier to it
2014-10-09 02:02 <nebadon> this is how you decide tile size
2014-10-09 02:02 <BlueWall> this was made in OpenSim, then exported to LD3T, modified, then exported to obj
2014-10-09 02:02 <nebadon> ah right 
2014-10-09 02:02 <nebadon> L3DT has option on export
2014-10-09 02:02 <nebadon> to cut
2014-10-09 02:02 <BlueWall> ohhhh
2014-10-09 02:02 <nebadon> i forget now how to though
2014-10-09 02:02 <nebadon> its been a while
2014-10-09 02:02 <BlueWall> I have seen that
2014-10-09 02:02 <BlueWall> I'll try it
2014-10-09 02:02 <nebadon> it should be fairly obvious ya
2014-10-09 02:03 <nebadon> unfortunately that method is considerably harder
2014-10-09 02:03 <nebadon> because it makes 64 tiles
2014-10-09 02:03 <nebadon> realigning it is difficult
2014-10-09 02:03 <BlueWall> I found out how to keep the elevations in sync ...
2014-10-09 02:03 <BlueWall> I made a script that scanned the var region and recorded the high and low points
2014-10-09 02:04 <nebadon> nice
2014-10-09 02:04 <BlueWall> then inporting into L3DT, you use those for the min/max elevation
2014-10-09 02:04 <nebadon> ah ya
2014-10-09 02:04 <BlueWall> I always used 0/255
2014-10-09 02:05 <nebadon> i used to have a bunch of tricks for l3dt but now i forget its been a few years now since ive used it
2014-10-09 02:06 <BlueWall> I tried that displacement modifier to bring the heightmap directly into blender, and it works ok if you keep the texture small
2014-10-09 02:06 <nebadon> hmm ya shouldnt really matter how large they are honestly
2014-10-09 02:06 <nebadon> its a bit tricky
2014-10-09 02:06 <nebadon> helps to have a really powerful machine too
2014-10-09 02:07 <nebadon> you can rack up the vertice count really fast
2014-10-09 02:07 <BlueWall> using the 768x768m with the displacement, it wouldn't get the height of the elvation
2014-10-09 02:09 <Plugh> You two should write up all the info in a wiki page on opensimulator.org
2014-10-09 02:10 <BlueWall> I could put that info about the min/max values for the heightmaps and put the script on github.
2014-10-09 02:11 <BlueWall> that's for using the L3DT
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2014-10-09 12:37 <osmantis> Bug #7347:04 userprofile table rows created with wrong type PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7347 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-10-09 13:51 <osmantis> Bug #4492:04 impliments osForceSit(string avatar) & overload osForceSit(string avatar, string target) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4492 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-09 13:58 <osmantis> Bug #7347:04 userprofile table rows created with wrong type PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7347 ): has been ASSIGNED.
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2014-10-09 18:43 <osmantis> Bug #7348:04 moving_start() and moving_end() doesnt work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7348 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-10-09 19:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #3845 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-10-09 19:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3845: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3845/
2014-10-09 19:40 <osjenkins> bluewall: Give ability to define constants that may be used throught the configuration
2014-10-09 19:46 <Plugh> Singularity Alpha viewer isn't designed to work properly with vars. Any ideas which viewer I can use instead while working in a var region?
2014-10-09 19:46 <BlueWall> Singularity Viewer (64 bit) 1.8.6 (6156) Sep  2 2014 15:52:42 (Singularity)
2014-10-09 19:47 <BlueWall> that one works here
2014-10-09 19:47 <lkalif> your premise is wrong
2014-10-09 19:47 <BlueWall> Firestorm 4.6.7 (42398) Aug 12 2014 01:15:49 (Firestorm-Betax64) with OpenSimulator support
2014-10-09 19:47 <BlueWall> that one too
2014-10-09 19:47 <Plugh> Nope. Singularity won't accept coordinate values on the map > 256m
2014-10-09 19:48 <lkalif> it is designed to work on var regions
2014-10-09 19:48 <Plugh> Water regions are just showing as gray. Coordinates are limited to 256m. 
2014-10-09 19:48 <Plugh> perhaps those are bugs yet to be fixed
2014-10-09 19:48 <BlueWall> did you clear your cache?
2014-10-09 19:49 <Plugh> I will have to do that ever time I go to a var?
2014-10-09 19:49 <BlueWall> nope
2014-10-09 19:49 <lkalif> also which version are you using?
2014-10-09 19:49 <BlueWall> but, that fixes a lot of weird stuff
2014-10-09 19:50 <Plugh> lkalif: 1.8.6 (6194)
2014-10-09 19:53 <Tas> The map looked strange after resizing regions to var size, clearing maptiles on robust fixed that 
2014-10-09 20:04 <Tas> Note, the location boxes ( at least on Firestorm) only displays 3 digits, but accepts a larger value. Only prob is when it displays current locations rounds things down to 999 
2014-10-09 20:06 <Plugh> BlueWall, Cleared cache. Water areas are still just gray
2014-10-09 20:06 <BlueWall> what size is the region?
2014-10-09 20:07 <Plugh> 10x10
2014-10-09 20:08 <BlueWall> ok, I've just been using 3x3
2014-10-09 20:08 <Plugh> It wasn't my choice to make it that big.
2014-10-09 20:08 <smxy> I love how trhe developers say that 4x4 is the largest people should run, due to memory needs, but everyone goes gigantic anyway.
2014-10-09 20:08 <smxy> the*
2014-10-09 20:08 <BlueWall> lol, Sometimes you have to be the grownup :p
2014-10-09 20:09 <Plugh> They were told but they did it anway.
2014-10-09 20:09 <smxy> But Singularity, Replex and Firestorm all work fine with Vars, at least for me.
2014-10-09 20:10 <BlueWall> Thats when you charge 4x for hazardous duty pay :D
2014-10-09 20:10 <smxy> lol
2014-10-09 20:10 <Plugh> hehe
2014-10-09 20:11 <BlueWall> I mean, if the people that develop it make recomendations, then why do people think it's ok to blow them off?
2014-10-09 20:11 <Tas> 8x8 works fine here, some intial tp wonkiness.
2014-10-09 20:11 <BlueWall> how many prims/avatars are expected to be in there?
2014-10-09 20:12 <Tas> its an island replica, not much in the way of prims.. couple of boats
2014-10-09 20:12 <Plugh> Expected? No idea. IIRC, there is about 145,000 in the 10x10
2014-10-09 20:12 <Tas> usually 10 avatars
2014-10-09 20:13 <BlueWall> I'm not sure where the size limits lie, but whne you start cramming so much stuff through a single simulator, you start stressing it.
2014-10-09 20:14 <BlueWall> That is where testing and documenting the results come into play.
2014-10-09 20:14 <Dev_Random> I'd imagine that terrain editing will also be a pain point, since it stores the whole thing as a blob.
2014-10-09 20:15 <Tas> Many factors, processing power, network, content.. like anything else monitor and adjust accordingly
2014-10-09 20:15 <BlueWall> if 10x10 gives issues, then try 5x5
2014-10-09 20:15 <BlueWall> if 5x5 is ok, then try 8x8
2014-10-09 20:17 <Plugh> 10x10 may not be a smart idea but I suppose someone has to push the limits and see what happens.
2014-10-09 20:18 <dahlia> I think the viewer cant handle it if it gets too large, something about terrain memory
2014-10-09 20:18 <dahlia> lkalif probably knows more
2014-10-09 20:20 <BlueWall> and it seems that cranky viewers lag the sim also
2014-10-09 20:21 <Plugh> Probably something to do with why the grassy terrain is just a plain shade of green and water is just gray.
2014-10-09 20:21 <BlueWall> see how large the terrain blob is in your table
2014-10-09 20:22 <dahlia> ya I dont think the var region terrain was well thought out
2014-10-09 20:22 <vegaslon> never had problems with 10X10 
2014-10-09 20:22 <dahlia> both sim and viewer side
2014-10-09 20:28 <Plugh> Ah, found it. My viewer graphic settings were turned way down load after I was having some other issue a while back and was trying to see how to improve the viewer performance.
2014-10-09 20:28 <Plugh> s/load/low/
2014-10-09 20:29 <vegaslon> ya var region do not like to display right without basic shaders on
2014-10-09 20:29 <vegaslon> striped terrain outside of 255
2014-10-09 20:33 <Plugh> outside of a 255m draw distance? I am well outside the 256m^2 corner of the var and the terrain looks ok.
2014-10-09 20:34 <vegaslon> that is just when the basic shaders are off
2014-10-09 20:37 <vegaslon> and low terrain detail
2014-10-09 20:41 <dahlia> looks ok for me
2014-10-09 20:41 <dahlia> no stripes
2014-10-09 20:42 <dahlia> region only 512x512, maybe that has something to do with it
2014-10-09 20:46 <vegaslon> 
ACTION is getting stir crazy without osgrid, has no contacts to go bother

2014-10-09 21:20 <Plugh> grr... I just got hit by the other bug(?) with vars. You can't TP out of one to a regular region without locking up, or crashing, the viewer.
2014-10-09 21:23 <Plugh> Ah, Robert has reported it already -> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7229
2014-10-09 21:55 <smxy> I TP out of vars to regular regions all the time.
2014-10-09 21:56 <smxy> Never locks up.
2014-10-09 22:08 <Plugh> It locks up here all the time when coming out of the 10x10
2014-10-09 22:54 <BlueWall> try a 768x768
2014-10-09 23:08 <nebadon> I think technically the viewer is probabyl going to have trouble with regions larger than 1024x1024
2014-10-09 23:08 <nebadon> the problems may not be immediately noticeable
2014-10-10 00:30 <Velus> hey is anyone here good with postfix and dovecot? 
2014-10-10 00:30 <BlueWall> 0.0
2014-10-10 00:30 <smxy> This is the wrong channel :)
2014-10-10 00:33 <Velus> i know it is but the postfix and dovecot channel are being douches, cos i dont exactly know the stuff they saying 2if you dont know it then dont do it simple!!!"
2014-10-10 00:34 <BlueWall> use cyrus :p
2014-10-10 00:36 <Velus> iu dont know how to 
2014-10-10 00:37 <Velus> i did try to set that up but it went petong lol i need virtual mailboxes and not system user mail boxes
2014-10-10 00:38 <lillith_xue> there are a lot tutorials on the web, try google
2014-10-10 00:38 <Velus> yeah i have done but it seems to be something with the ports for some reason
2014-10-10 00:48 <osmantis> Bug #7349:04 Crashes while running in standalone mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7349 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2014-10-10 02:13 <smxy> nebadon: Have you noticed that 3.10 is the latest Mono release now?
2014-10-10 02:15 <nebadon> no i did not
2014-10-10 02:15 <nebadon> figures
2014-10-10 02:15 <nebadon> shortly after i update my instructions hehe
2014-10-10 02:15 <smxy> They seem to be coming out faster.
2014-10-10 02:15 <nebadon> yea
2014-10-10 02:15 <smxy> vi mono_notes
2014-10-10 02:15 <smxy> erk
2014-10-10 02:16 <nebadon> http://www.mono-project.com/docs/about-mono/releases/3.10.0/
2014-10-10 02:16 <nebadon> doesnt look like a hugely significant release like 3.8 was
2014-10-10 02:16 <smxy> I'm going to give it a try. I'm still on 3.6.1
2014-10-10 02:17 <nebadon> cool
2014-10-10 02:21 <smxy> libgdiplus is still 3.8
2014-10-10 02:30 <smxy> hmm. can't build libgdiplus. It wants cairo 1.6.4 or newer. I have 1.8.8 installed, but it doesn't see it.
2014-10-10 02:34 <smxy> Ah, it needed cairo-devel installed.
2014-10-10 03:26 <smxy> Well, libgdiplus 3.8 and mono 3.10 build okay and OpenSim dev master head built okay with it.
2014-10-10 03:26 <nebadon> nice
2014-10-10 03:26 <nebadon> my home grid is on 3.8
2014-10-10 03:29 <smxy> And regions start under it.
2014-10-10 08:02 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-10-10 08:03 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-10-10 08:04 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007288.
2014-10-10 08:04 <osmantis> Bug #7288:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Check on name, Description and UUID/Avatar Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7288 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007350.
2014-10-10 08:04 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-10 08:08 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007341.
2014-10-10 08:08 <osmantis> Bug #7341:04 Truncation error storing asset data PGSQL - Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7341 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007350.
2014-10-10 08:09 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-10 10:43 <velus4> hey is anyone about from osgrid?
2014-10-10 10:43 <velus4> and AliciaRaven you abot too
2014-10-10 11:09 <AliciaRaven> hey velus4
2014-10-10 14:38 <velus4> back AliciaRaven but ill be a minute
2014-10-10 14:50 <velus4> back now
2014-10-10 14:53 <AliciaRaven> hey velus4
2014-10-10 14:55 <velus4> alicia can i pm you in a second im not exactly asking for help here.
2014-10-10 14:55 <AliciaRaven> ok
2014-10-10 15:00 <osmantis> Bug #7342:04 XBakes - [BASE HTTP SERVER]: Exceptions with process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7342 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-10 15:04 <osmantis> Bug #7341:04 Truncation error storing asset data PGSQL - Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7341 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-10 15:08 <osmantis> Bug #7341:04 Truncation error storing asset data PGSQL - Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7341 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-10-10 15:09 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-10-10 15:11 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-10 15:51 <osmantis> Bug #7342:04 XBakes - [BASE HTTP SERVER]: Exceptions with process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7342 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-10 15:52 <osmantis> Bug #7342:04 XBakes - [BASE HTTP SERVER]: Exceptions with process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7342 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-10-10 18:20 <osmantis> Bug #7136:04 Standalone with MSSQL database -  "Could not find a storage interface in the given module" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7136 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-10 18:52 <Plugh1> What is the name of the DLL that provides BulletSim physics? Is it BulletSPlugin.dll??
2014-10-10 19:26 <Velus> yes Plugh i think it is
2014-10-10 21:33 <Plugh> I have just been dealing with a problem in a region where BulletSim was throwing an exception and killing the instance before it started up. I've saved the bad oar and the last known good one for the region along with the instance log files so the problem can be investigated at a later date.
2014-10-10 21:37 <Plugh> I found another way to trigger an non-fatal exception in a region. 'delete object id <uuid>' where <uuid> is not valid for any item in the region will cause an exception to be thrown.
2014-10-10 21:54 <nebadon> might be good to pass that oar to Misterblue Plugh
2014-10-10 21:54 <nebadon> if you can
2014-10-10 21:55 <smxy> Nothing has blown up under mono 3.10.0/libgdiplus 3.8, yet, nebadon
2014-10-10 21:56 <nebadon> cool, me either
2014-10-10 21:56 <nebadon> i switch to 3.10 too
2014-10-10 21:56 <smxy> Ah, you switched too.
2014-10-10 21:57 <smxy> You and I always seem to be the guinea pigs for new Mono versions. :)
2014-10-10 21:57 <nebadon> I like to know as early as possible potential problems
2014-10-10 21:58 <smxy> The 3-series has been pretty good, really.
2014-10-10 21:59 <nebadon> yea
2014-10-10 21:59 <Plugh> nebadon: Can't pass them anywhere. I'd have to file a mantis. File sharing on the machines is not working. Don't know why it broke.
2014-10-10 22:01 <Plugh> Do WebStats work in a var? I have the right port address and URL but I just get an "Unable to Connect" message from my browser trying to get stats from a 10x10 var.
2014-10-10 22:05 <nebadon> no idea about webstats
2014-10-10 22:05 <nebadon> i have not used them in a long time
2014-10-10 22:06 <nebadon> i cant imagine why they wouldnt work, none of the stats are really bound to 256m limits or anything
2014-10-10 22:10 <Plugh> I got the stats directly from the console but couldn't get them via a web browser.
2014-10-10 22:11 <Plugh> Stats for a10x10 var: Dilation 1.0, SimFPS 52, PhysFPS 48.9,Prims 144,322, Scripts 24967, Script lines per second 3877
2014-10-10 22:19 <nebadon> dang
2014-10-10 22:19 <nebadon> thats a lot of scripts
2014-10-10 22:19 <nebadon> how long does that region take to start
2014-10-10 22:19 <nebadon> 20-30 minutes? lol
2014-10-10 22:20 <Plugh> I don't know. I'm not the one who (re-)starts it.
2014-10-10 22:20 <nebadon> i bet it takes quite a while
2014-10-10 22:20 <smxy> I really think they are being a bit dim-witted to run such a large var and so many scripts.
2014-10-10 22:20 <nebadon> god forbid if you ever delete dlls and clear cache
2014-10-10 22:21 <Plugh> nebadon, I'm told it takes around 8 to 10 minutes for it to start.
2014-10-10 22:21 <nebadon> im all for pushing things,if it works go for it, i am quite suprrised honestly
2014-10-10 22:21 <nebadon> however the problems with regions that large are mostly viewer problems
2014-10-10 22:21 <Plugh> I'm finding it slow to build there.
2014-10-10 22:21 <nebadon> not simulator problems
2014-10-10 22:22 <nebadon> the simulator could be 10kx10k it probably wouldnt matter much
2014-10-10 22:22 <nebadon> though the terrain would consume an insane amount of memory
2014-10-10 22:22 <smxy> I could see running it taht big, without the scripts, and with the land sunk to 0m, except perhaps for a few small islands, for use as an ocean, though.
2014-10-10 22:22 <nebadon> you would be better off making the default terrain 0
2014-10-10 22:22 <nebadon> completely flat so it uses almost no memory
2014-10-10 22:22 <smxy> right
2014-10-10 22:22 <nebadon> then do mesh terrain
2014-10-10 22:23 <smxy> only bump it up hereand there for little islands.
2014-10-10 22:23 <nebadon> i wouldnt even do that
2014-10-10 22:23 <smxy> ah, even better
2014-10-10 22:23 <smxy> Yeah, the islands could be mesh
2014-10-10 22:25 <Plugh> The oar files are almost insanely large. Around 4.4G
2014-10-10 22:26 <nebadon> i wonder if there is an option to eliminate the default terrain from physics completely
2014-10-10 22:26 <nebadon> that would be a nice option
2014-10-10 22:27 <nebadon> i suspect that could open the door to much larger regions
2014-10-10 22:27 <Plugh> Oh, I was dealing with an instance on another machine at the same time as thinking about the stats for the 10x10. The WebStats does come up for the var.
2014-10-10 22:27 <nebadon> though you still have the weak link viewer to deal with
2014-10-10 22:27 <Ubit> several things try to look for terrain
2014-10-10 22:28 <nebadon> ya but do they look for the terrain physics
2014-10-10 22:28 <nebadon> i guess certain LSL functions would break but you wouldnt use those anyway in this scenario
2014-10-10 22:28 <Ubit> hmm think even in core.. to avoid things going undergroud
2014-10-10 22:29 <nebadon> well ya that could certainly happen, but could be better ways to deal with that maybe
2014-10-10 22:29 <nebadon> like have a physics variable that sets absolute bottom
2014-10-10 22:29 <nebadon> so even if prims fall they can only fall to 0 or something then stop moving
2014-10-10 22:29 <nebadon> like a region border 
2014-10-10 22:29 <Ubit> that could be done i guess
2014-10-10 22:30 <Ubit> actually there is some catch up code with a negative height somewhere if i remember
2014-10-10 22:31 <Ken_S> Large vars up to 8x8 have work fine for me as long as they are used just for things like sailing and racing and arent loaded with too many prims.
2014-10-10 22:31 <Ken_S> The flatter/more simple the terrain is allows use of larger vars too.
2014-10-10 22:31 <Ubit> but with gravity you need something as floor neb
2014-10-10 22:32 <Ubit> radams gave up using mesh on large regions.. bc it whould be 2 large.. so guess a mesh replacement is not a option :)
2014-10-10 22:33 <nebadon> the only problem i can really see the viewer struggeling with is terrain
2014-10-10 22:33 <nebadon> terrain that is too large
2014-10-10 22:33 <Ubit> ( he uses mesh on normal regions, heighfield on large ones )
2014-10-10 22:33 <nebadon> at some point its going to overflow
2014-10-10 22:33 <Ubit> ohh yeap..
2014-10-10 22:34 <Ubit> guess  that needs some culling at viewer side ?
2014-10-10 22:34 <nebadon> or a way to chop terrain into tiles
2014-10-10 22:34 <nebadon> thats why mesh is good
2014-10-10 22:34 <nebadon> you can make 100 tiles
2014-10-10 22:34 <nebadon> and physics is no longer an issue
2014-10-10 22:35 <Ubit> terrain is divided into patchs already
2014-10-10 22:35 <nebadon> the default terrain to me is a lost cause
2014-10-10 22:35 <Ubit> 16x16m
2014-10-10 22:35 <nebadon> its terrible and should die
2014-10-10 22:35 <nebadon> lol
2014-10-10 22:35 <Ubit> :)
2014-10-10 22:35 <nebadon> the in world tools are convienent, but the linden terrain otherwise is just terrible
2014-10-10 22:35 <Ubit> well ode aside it should work faster than a  full mesh
2014-10-10 22:35 <nebadon> between texturing and low quality ist very blah
2014-10-10 22:36 <nebadon> theoretically you could make mesh terrain thats just as efficient
2014-10-10 22:36 <Ubit> well nopes... :)
2014-10-10 22:37 <Ubit> a simple heighmap should always be a more compact thing...
2014-10-10 22:37 <Ubit> having inplicit x , Y and orientation..
2014-10-10 22:38 <nebadon> ya only thing it would really be better for is loading faster
2014-10-10 22:38 <nebadon> that doesnt scale well as we see
2014-10-10 22:38 <nebadon> if you make lots of small mesh tiles though
2014-10-10 22:38 <Ubit> it is already divided into patchs ans send patch by patch
2014-10-10 22:38 <nebadon> you could get very close in terms of efficiency
2014-10-10 22:38 <Ubit> now if viewers take the patchs and build a full 8Km side map.. well
2014-10-10 22:39 <nebadon> you definitely dont want 1 huge terrain tile mesh
2014-10-10 22:39 <nebadon> that wouldnt work well at all
2014-10-10 22:40 <Ubit> well at regions side, patchs can be sent as needed,  think radams already did something on that
2014-10-10 22:40 <Ubit> acording to draw distance,  avatar and/or camera position..
2014-10-10 22:41 <Ubit> actually something u can't do with a mesh
2014-10-10 22:43 <nebadon> ya it definitely wouldnt be as efficient with that
2014-10-10 22:43 <nebadon> but you could if you made the mesh tiles small enough
2014-10-10 22:43 <nebadon> like 64 tiles or somehting
2014-10-10 22:44 <nebadon> in my big models we are using anywhere from 16 to 64 tiles per 768x768 simulator
2014-10-10 22:44 <Ubit> then u loose resolution
2014-10-10 22:44 <nebadon> the largest one is 15 regions 5x3
2014-10-10 22:44 <nebadon> how so?
2014-10-10 22:45 <nebadon> we usually make each tile like 64x64 or 128x128 vertices
2014-10-10 22:45 <Ubit> hmm what u call tiles ? sub meshs ?
2014-10-10 22:45 <nebadon> technically thats might higher detail then default terrain
2014-10-10 22:45 <nebadon> yes we split the plane
2014-10-10 22:45 <nebadon> we are using real world GIS data though
2014-10-10 22:46 <nebadon> so depending on the resolution of the original data, that dictates how high of a resolution our mesh can be
2014-10-10 22:46 <Ubit> well   radams is adding culling for terrain.. we dont have culling for meshs :)
2014-10-10 22:46 <nebadon> well we should adjust for prims though
2014-10-10 22:46 <nebadon> according to draw distance
2014-10-10 22:46 <Ubit> sure for some lani's regions terrain shouldn't be there at all
2014-10-10 22:47 <Ubit> or water... it evaporates in space vacum :)
2014-10-10 22:47 <nebadon> hehe
2014-10-10 22:47 <Ubit> so a option to not have terrain, is good
2014-10-10 22:47 <nebadon> ya
2014-10-10 22:48 <nebadon> i do like though setting terrain fill 21 when i have mesh terrain
2014-10-10 22:48 <nebadon> so i get a nice underworld to hide in
2014-10-10 22:48 <nebadon> i can build things down under the terrain then move them up and down as needed
2014-10-10 22:49 <Ubit> yeap caves is a normal terrain limitation
2014-10-10 22:50 <Ubit> worse with the its textures baking..  we can't put a parcial mesh.. it will not blend well
2014-10-10 22:53 <nebadon> ya parceling could be problematic
2014-10-10 22:53 <nebadon> hadnt though really about that
2014-10-10 22:54 <nebadon> i guess though you could turn terrain on for parceling, then turn it off again
2014-10-10 22:54 <nebadon> maybe even have a console command to toggle it
2014-10-10 22:54 <Ubit> hmm parceling is other maps i guess
2014-10-10 22:55 <Ubit> we could take terrain heighmap, keeping those i guess
2014-10-10 22:56 <Ubit> actually don't remember how those are done on var regions...  didn't look to current opensim code on that
2014-10-10 22:56 <Ubit> guess some resolution needs to be lost at same point
2014-10-10 22:57 <Ubit> parcel information is sent a lot.. can't be made very large
2014-10-10 22:57 <Ubit> its 4m side on normal regions no ?
2014-10-10 22:58 <osmantis> Bug #7136:04 Standalone with MSSQL database -  "Could not find a storage interface in the given module" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7136 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-10 23:06 <nebadon> im pretty sure vars have same parcel limitations as a standard 256 region
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2014-10-10 23:10 <BlueWall> I have been thinking about vertical parcels for a long time
2014-10-10 23:11 <BlueWall> never really looked into it though, so I don't know what would be involved.
2014-10-10 23:11 <Ubit> so u want to sell  flats ? :)
2014-10-10 23:11 <BlueWall> hehe
2014-10-10 23:12 <BlueWall> well, what got me thinking about it was rentals in SL where they were stacked in multi-floor places and how they could control media
2014-10-10 23:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3846: SUCCESS in 8 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3846/
2014-10-10 23:12 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: add --default-user option to "load oar" help long description.  Do other small tidies of "load oar" console command help.
2014-10-10 23:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #3847 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-10-10 23:13 <BlueWall> I guess you could allow that now with MOAP and groups though
2014-10-10 23:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3847: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3847/
2014-10-10 23:16 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Implements osForceSit(string avatar) & overload osForceSit(string avatar, string target)
2014-10-10 23:16 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: minor: spacing cleanup from previous commit 79a4d1ea
2014-10-10 23:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #3848 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-10-10 23:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3848: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3848/
2014-10-10 23:21 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Change name of just added OSSL osForceSit() to osForceOtherSit()
2014-10-10 23:23 <osmantis> Bug #4492:04 impliments osForceSit(string avatar) & overload osForceSit(string avatar, string target) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4492 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-10-10 23:24 <osmantis> Bug #4492:04 impliments osForceSit(string avatar) & overload osForceSit(string avatar, string target) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4492 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-10 23:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #3849 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-10-10 23:54 <justincc> BlueWall: there seem to be a few issues with pgsql adaptor, like http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7341
2014-10-10 23:55 <BlueWall> justincc, yep I'm setting up a development grid here to work on those and the first thing I hat was the XAssets.
2014-10-10 23:56 <BlueWall> *hit*
2014-10-10 23:56 <justincc> BlueWall: cool.  Seems to be a popular adaptor, though never tried postgres myself
2014-10-10 23:56 <justincc> it's the mssql which is shabby now, going to have to see if anybody out there is willing to fix it
2014-10-10 23:56 <justincc> otherwise it might just have to get the chop if no-one is prepared to maintain it
2014-10-10 23:57 <BlueWall> honestly, when I saw OpenSim didn't support it I thouhght it was a little dubious,lol
2014-10-10 23:57 <Plugh> hm... I wonder how a large var will impact the ability to generate/parse the data snapshot information
2014-10-10 23:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3849: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3849/
2014-10-10 23:57 <osjenkins> bluewall: Fix some errors in PgSQL XAssets by changing some data types. Also make sql query syntax more in line with the PgSQL AssetData implementation.
2014-10-10 23:58 <BlueWall> yes, MSSQL needs a maintainer to step up or we should consider at least pasting warning signs all over it or drop it altogether.
2014-10-10 23:59 <BlueWall> I need to do some further work on the XAssets/PgSQL to squash some other errors with case, then it should be good to go.
2014-10-10 23:59 <justincc> yeah, the final thing I need to do is workout the migration story from an existing asset base.
2014-10-11 00:00 <BlueWall> maybe I can help with that and we can make it the default in, say two releases?
2014-10-11 00:00 <justincc> and have a final look aroudn to see that it's correct.  I want to make sure it does do occasional date stamping for instance to allow one (risky) form of asset db cleanup
2014-10-11 00:00 <justincc> BlueWall: yeah, that sounds like a good timeframe
2014-10-11 00:00 <BlueWall> :)
2014-10-11 00:00 <justincc> BlueWall: have you looked at the code much?
2014-10-11 00:00 <BlueWall> not a whole lot
2014-10-11 00:01 <BlueWall> it is pretty small though.
2014-10-11 00:01 <justincc> so, it does have a feature where it can migrate from the vanilla assets tables as it goes along
2014-10-11 00:01 <BlueWall> I thought so
2014-10-11 00:01 <BlueWall> but, I'm starting this one from scratch.
2014-10-11 00:01 <justincc> every time an asset is requested, it searches first xassets, then assets.  If the asset was not in xassets it then inserts it there are deletes the assetes copy
2014-10-11 00:01 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-10-11 00:02 <BlueWall> awesome.
2014-10-11 00:02 <justincc> the remaining question is how to do the final migration.  I don't think one really wants to require people to keep the other assets tables aroud forever
2014-10-11 00:02 <BlueWall> does it have a crawler too?
2014-10-11 00:02 <justincc> no
2014-10-11 00:02 <BlueWall> right.
2014-10-11 00:02 <justincc> I like to try and keep it as simple as possible.  Maybe a backgroudn command/crawler, maybe even a separate executable
2014-10-11 00:02 <BlueWall> that sounds good.
2014-10-11 00:03 <BlueWall> people could run it at-will
2014-10-11 00:03 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-10-11 00:03 <BlueWall> I am going to run it and test it here
2014-10-11 00:03 <justincc> maybe even an entirely separate temporary service
2014-10-11 00:03 <justincc> ok cool
2014-10-11 00:03 <BlueWall> and I'm switching to PgSQL
2014-10-11 00:03 <justincc> I've been running it for some time on and off without trouble, but would be definitely good to get more feedback
2014-10-11 00:04 <justincc> I haven't yet taken the big warning off because I may still spot some issue when I give it a proper check over
2014-10-11 00:04 <BlueWall> It seems good except for the pgsql driver.
2014-10-11 00:04 <BlueWall> That is mainly data types and case issues
2014-10-11 00:04 <justincc> ok
2014-10-11 00:04 <justincc> and of course, I'll need to write an sqlite driver as well.  I'm not going to write an MSSQL one :)
2014-10-11 00:05 <BlueWall> well, there is no way to test it.
2014-10-11 00:05 <justincc> I think there is an mssql express
2014-10-11 00:05 <BlueWall> unless you can run it under Wine, lol
2014-10-11 00:05 <BlueWall> hehehe
2014-10-11 00:05 <justincc> but there's no incentive for me to go to all that trouble for something I never use and where there are alternatives
2014-10-11 00:06 <BlueWall> I think it was an attempt to pitch the platform at M$ by a particular group
2014-10-11 00:06 <justincc> I don't remember myself, anicent history :)
2014-10-11 00:06 <nebadon> MSSQL was mostly a reaction grid project
2014-10-11 00:06 <justincc> I know chris hart did some work on it
2014-10-11 00:06 <BlueWall> I don't believe many peoplerun it
2014-10-11 00:07 <BlueWall> yes
2014-10-11 00:07 <nebadon> they were totally microsoft backed
2014-10-11 00:07 <justincc> did she actually write it?  I though she just did some patches
2014-10-11 00:07 <nebadon> well eventually she became the only maintainer
2014-10-11 00:07 <nebadon> i dont know if they started it
2014-10-11 00:07 <justincc> some people are trying to run it but hit problems.  And no-one is fixing it of course
2014-10-11 00:07 <BlueWall> I think she did the whole 
2014-10-11 00:07 <nebadon> but ultimately they were the only ones keeping it alive
2014-10-11 00:07 <nebadon> i wouldnt even know how to test it at this point
2014-10-11 00:08 <BlueWall> I never used MySQL until I started using OpenSim ...
2014-10-11 00:08 <nebadon> last time i used MSSQL i was running windows 2001 server
2014-10-11 00:08 <nebadon> hehe
2014-10-11 00:08 <nebadon> or 2000 server whatever was in use around then
2014-10-11 00:08 <BlueWall> It seems OK. But PgSQL is a good system too.
2014-10-11 00:08 <BlueWall> neb - I was running a 2008 copy of L3DT Standard
2014-10-11 00:09 <BlueWall> I updated to the latest Pro version and it blew my mind.
2014-10-11 00:10 <nebadon> haha
2014-10-11 00:10 <nebadon> ya i should buy the new version
2014-10-11 00:10 <nebadon> its only 35$ for the indie developer version
2014-10-11 00:10 <BlueWall> $35.00 for the Indie
2014-10-11 00:10 <nebadon> i havent used it in a while, but it would be nice to have
2014-10-11 00:10 <nebadon> see if i can get encitra to buy me a copy hehe
2014-10-11 00:11 <nebadon> once you learn mesh terrain there is no going back to the crappy LL terrain
2014-10-11 00:11 <BlueWall> I'm trying
2014-10-11 00:12 <BlueWall> You would not believe how much time I have spent in Blender the last two weeks.
2014-10-11 00:12 <nebadon> cool, good place to be :)
2014-10-11 00:12 <BlueWall> But that is what it takes
2014-10-11 00:12 <nebadon> ive been in blender for about 2 years straight now
2014-10-11 00:12 <BlueWall> yeah, butI need to be writing code too.
2014-10-11 00:12 <nebadon> lol
2014-10-11 00:12 <BlueWall> context switching kills me :S
2014-10-11 00:12 <nebadon> heh ya
2014-10-11 00:14 <BlueWall> I think working out the general shape of a terrain, especially if you are working around builds, is easier with traditional terrain in the simulator.
2014-10-11 00:16 <BlueWall> So, I have been working to keep all the aspect ratios the same so there can be a workflow between OpenSim, L3DT and Blender, then back to OpenSim as a mesh with nice textures and features.
2014-10-11 00:16 <justincc> ok, I've got to go and take a rest.  Goodnight folks
2014-10-11 00:16 <BlueWall> heheh he goes fast
2014-10-11 00:18 <nebadon> ya it requires new work flows for sure
2014-10-11 00:18 <nebadon> what you can do though, is rough it out in world, with LL terrain and cubes/primitive shapes
2014-10-11 00:19 <nebadon> export the terrain as heightmap and extrude it out in blender
2014-10-11 00:19 <nebadon> then export your basic prim shape buildings and markers as a collada
2014-10-11 00:19 <nebadon> and import everything in to blender so you have scale and location right
2014-10-11 00:19 <nebadon> and then build over that
2014-10-11 00:19 <nebadon> blender has great sculpt tool
2014-10-11 00:20 <BlueWall> ++
2014-10-11 00:20 <nebadon> just like the in world terrain editor
2014-10-11 00:20 <BlueWall> I'll use that to make little paths and paint them in with dirt textures
2014-10-11 00:21 <BlueWall> yeah, I was thinking about linking the models as libraries into the terrain model.
2014-10-11 00:22 <nebadon> i mean look what i did with sculpty alone
2014-10-11 00:22 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/nebs_sculpted_island_05.png
2014-10-11 00:22 <nebadon> imagine what you can do with mesh :)
2014-10-11 00:22 <BlueWall> I remember those
2014-10-11 00:24 <nebadon> afk a few i need some food
2014-10-11 00:25 <BlueWall> take care
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2014-10-11 15:34 <nebadon> If anyone is interested we are very much in need to volunteers for OSCC this year, we need Moderators and Greeters very bad! If you are interested or know anyone who is interested in volunteering please have a look here > http://conference.opensimulator.org/2014/staff/call-for-volunteers/
2014-10-11 16:03 <smxy> 
ACTION smacks Frnic :)

2014-10-11 16:03 <Frnic> :)
2014-10-11 16:04 <smxy> I'm a minimalist. You, clearly, are not. :)
2014-10-11 16:04 <Frnic> I was kidding - studying Objective-C at the moment and think the naming conventions are a bit long - lol
2014-10-11 16:04 <smxy> Yes, but descriptive.
2014-10-11 16:35 <osmantis> Bug #7339:04 VAR Regions and the world map 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7339 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-10-11 16:43 <BlueWall> like xml :D
2014-10-11 16:44 <BlueWall> <NumberForUseInALaterSpot>0</NumberForUseInALaterSpot>
2014-10-11 17:35 <smxy> lol
2014-10-11 18:32 <smxy> Frnic: see what you started? ;)
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2014-10-12 14:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #3850 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-10-12 14:55 <osjenkins> bluewall: Make column names lower-case, change hash column type to bytea and remove old commented lines of code
2014-10-12 16:33 <osmantis> Bug #7351:04 llCastRay returns hits incorrectly outside rotated objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7351 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-10-12 17:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #3851 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-10-12 17:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3851: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3851/
2014-10-12 17:48 <osjenkins> bluewall: Get V2 Groups working under PgSQL. Needed to re-create tables to satisy the generic handler type matching. There should be no existing data because it couldn't complete the first migration as-is.
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2014-10-13 18:14 <Plugh> Is there a known reason why regions of different sizes can not be beside each other? Is it an OS issue or a viewer side one?
2014-10-13 18:16 <AliciaRaven2> Plugh, im pretty sure thats a viewer side issue
2014-10-13 18:17 <AliciaRaven2> problem is when both are in view at the same time the viewer crashes, not sure why
2014-10-13 18:24 <Ubit> seems viewer needs to see the larger region first
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2014-10-13 20:25 <LiruCookies> I would like to see the trace from that.
2014-10-13 20:29 <AliciaRaven2> LiruCookies, from the crash with different size vars?
2014-10-13 20:30 <AliciaRaven2> i can set up some test regions if u wanted to try it
2014-10-13 20:40 <LiruCookies> Yeah, I think I will, AliciaRaven on which grid?
2014-10-13 20:40 <LiruCookies> is osgrid back?
2014-10-13 20:40 <AliciaRaven> nope
2014-10-13 20:40 <LiruCookies> awh
2014-10-13 20:41 <AliciaRaven> www.spellscape.co.uk or if u have a hg account some where u can hg in to grid.spellscape.co.uk:80
2014-10-13 20:41 <AliciaRaven> will set up now and let u know when they are up
2014-10-13 20:41 <LiruCookies> oh right
2014-10-13 20:42 <LiruCookies> I have an account there
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2014-10-13 20:47 <AliciaRaven> LiruCookies, they are up
2014-10-13 20:48 <AliciaRaven> there is a 2x2 called test, and right above that is a 3x3 called cookies lol
2014-10-13 20:53 <AliciaRaven> not crashing for me, i never tried before i just avoided it as people always say it would crash the viewer
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2014-10-13 21:21 <misterblue> Plugh: the viewer keeps region size information in global statics and they get created once when the first region is accessed... thus going from smaller to larger regions will cause the viewer to crash/go weird/etc
2014-10-13 21:22 <LiruCookies> AliciaRaven: Which viewer?
2014-10-13 21:22 <misterblue> I'm told that the fix to move that static region information into per-region data structures is non-trivial
2014-10-13 21:22 <AliciaRaven> misterblue, plug left
2014-10-13 21:22 <misterblue> the SL viewer... thus all the TPVs
2014-10-13 21:22 <AliciaRaven> ive tried singularity and firestorm and i cant get either to crash
2014-10-13 21:23 <LiruCookies> AliciaRaven: Wonderful, thank you.
2014-10-13 21:23 <misterblue> something could have been fixed since I got my information... that would be good
2014-10-13 21:24 <misterblue> it usually crashed in the terrain packet receiver (receiving a terrain packet for a region larger than its data structures)
2014-10-13 21:24 <AliciaRaven> if it has been fixed then its still somthing people are avoiding because of what they hear lol
2014-10-13 21:24 <misterblue> that is an error that could be fixed
2014-10-13 21:24 <misterblue> I haven't done any testing recently so I don't know the answer
2014-10-13 21:25 <AliciaRaven> im trying 2x2 and 3x3, maybe the size diff needs to be larger
2014-10-13 21:29 <nebadon> i think things technically can start getting wierd after 1024m, and even more so after 2048m
2014-10-13 21:31 <AliciaRaven> thanks nebadon, i will see if that sends it over the edge
2014-10-13 21:33 <AllenKerensky> even 1024 seems to have some noticeable differences to nearby object rezzing, even with stepped draw distance or small draw distances
2014-10-13 21:34 <AllenKerensky> things eventually rez - but further away buildings appear after the one I am in, which did not happen before I switched to a varregion 
2014-10-13 21:35 <AllenKerensky> give it time to settle it all seems to work so far - but I did notice the change in behavior for the same reason non-var vs. var
2014-10-13 21:35 <AliciaRaven> should rez from close to the avatar first like they have now in sl with project sunshine
2014-10-13 21:36 <nebadon> ive settled on 768x768 as my prefered var size
2014-10-13 21:36 <AliciaRaven> but the crash problem, i cant get to show with one being 1024, which is the largest recomended size anyway
2014-10-13 21:37 <AliciaRaven> same here, our largest regions are 768 and the smaller ones 512
2014-10-13 21:37 <AliciaRaven> we keep them apart not because of the risk of a crash, but because it looks neater to keep same size regions together on the map lol
2014-10-13 21:38 <nebadon> you shouldnt put different size vars next to each other, technically you can, but i would definitely recommend against it
2014-10-13 21:38 <nebadon> it also seems that the space in between vars has to equal their size if you dont want child connections
2014-10-13 21:39 <AliciaRaven> yes, thats the bug we are trying to recreate but cant yet
2014-10-13 21:39 <AllenKerensky> and in my case, the Warp3D map image module draws the whole var for the map of just the sw 256x256 part
2014-10-13 21:39 <nebadon> really? i can recreate that one all day long
2014-10-13 21:40 <nebadon> AliciaRaven i also wouldnt consider that problem a bug
2014-10-13 21:40 <nebadon> I think its just how its designed at the moment
2014-10-13 21:40 <AliciaRaven> i have 512 along side a 1024 and nothing is going wrong, whats the trick to make it break? liru was wanting to see the crash logs
2014-10-13 21:40 <nebadon> oh to make it crash ya
2014-10-13 21:40 <nebadon> ive never really seen it crash to be honest
2014-10-13 21:40 <AliciaRaven> not doing it for production, just wanting to see error logs
2014-10-13 21:41 <nebadon> i just meant the child agent "problem" when you dont space 2 var regions far enough apart
2014-10-13 21:41 <nebadon> say i have 2 768x768 regions or even a 768 and 256
2014-10-13 21:41 <nebadon> if i put 1 space in between them, the var region will still make a child agent connection to the 256
2014-10-13 21:42 <nebadon> you need to put 3 region spaces in between if you dont want to have child agents connect
2014-10-13 21:42 <nebadon> basically the space in between regions needs to equal the size of the var
2014-10-13 21:42 <AliciaRaven> ah no, wasnt aware of that but i had heard that placing different size regions next to each other caused viewer crashes
2014-10-13 21:44 <AliciaRaven> plugh asked about it and then left lol liru said he wanted to see crash logs so i said id try and recreate it, but it all seems to be working ok here, typical when u want a problem to show up, it never does
2014-10-13 21:45 <misterblue> the major problem I know of for very large regions is the lag when editting -- if you right click to get the circular menu, the simulator sends the parcel inforation for the whole region to the viewer
2014-10-13 21:46 <misterblue> if you right click a few times, lag happens as that's a lot of data being sent multiple times
2014-10-13 21:47 <misterblue> the region spacing problem Nebabon is mentioning has to do with internal confusion between 'region' view distance and 'viewer' view distance (my interpretation of the problem)
2014-10-13 21:48 <AliciaRaven> on the 1024 right at the border ive been editing terrain and right clicking like crazy and its all fast and responsive, there are no prims tho and the rest of the region is flat so that might be why its not showing the lag
2014-10-13 21:55 <misterblue> Cuteulala was able to duplicate it by clicking while flying... after a few right clicks, the avatar would keep flying straight for a while (un-controllable)
2014-10-13 21:56 <misterblue> but then, I've been travelling for a while and maybe all these are fixed
2014-10-13 21:56 <nebadon> the only time i ever experience lag building in vars is when i build over the border, say 2 equal size var nieghbors and im building over the border
2014-10-13 21:56 <nebadon> everything takes 4-5 times longer
2014-10-13 21:56 <misterblue> 
ACTION needs to check the logs

2014-10-13 21:56 <nebadon> copying prims, linking/unlinking, textures
2014-10-13 21:58 <AliciaRaven> i cant get a crash so im going to give up lol
2014-10-13 21:58 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: ok, ty. If it is just the viewer one of the viewer devs may be working on it.
2014-10-13 21:59 <misterblue> the original problem was with the viewer... maybe they have made things better
2014-10-13 21:59 <nebadon> i dont think there has been really any change there in some time with the viewer
2014-10-13 22:00 <nebadon> viewer changes have slowed down a lot lately
2014-10-13 22:00 <Plugh> nebadon: hard to say when there are so many different viewers. 
2014-10-13 22:00 <Plugh> ok. I don't follow viewer development.
2014-10-13 22:02 <AliciaRaven> i will still not put different sizes side by side, even if im sure its safe it just looks bad on the map lol
2014-10-13 22:04 <misterblue> and, as nebadon mentioned, the visibility across regions can get strange
2014-10-13 22:12 <justincc> hi nebadon, are you around?
2014-10-13 22:32 <nebadon> hey justincc i am
2014-10-13 22:32 <nebadon> was afk a moment but back now
2014-10-13 22:32 <nebadon> whats up?
2014-10-13 22:33 <justincc> nebadon: are you aware that your texture service instances appear entirely unused?
2014-10-13 22:44 <nebadon> hmmm
2014-10-13 22:44 <nebadon> is the cap not working?
2014-10-13 22:44 <justincc> you have it directed to localhost
2014-10-13 22:44 <nebadon> really?
2014-10-13 22:44 <nebadon> maybe it got overwritten
2014-10-13 22:44 <nebadon> it was set i recall setting the ports
2014-10-13 22:44 <nebadon> let me have a look
2014-10-13 22:44 <justincc> look at config show  It's happening because the config sets localhost
2014-10-13 22:44 <justincc> first
2014-10-13 22:44 <justincc> and anyway, I dont' see how it could work with Hypergrid
2014-10-13 22:45 <justincc> or am I mistaken?
2014-10-13 22:45 <nebadon> its set in OpenSim.ini
2014-10-13 22:45 <justincc> loook closely.  It's set twice
2014-10-13 22:46 <nebadon> to be honest that would be a question for diva
2014-10-13 22:46 <nebadon> she was the one who came up with this particular setup
2014-10-13 22:46 <nebadon> really?
2014-10-13 22:46 <nebadon> oh indeed
2014-10-13 22:46 <justincc> yes!
2014-10-13 22:46 <nebadon> it looks like the comment got knocked out
2014-10-13 22:46 <justincc> I'm pretty sure it won't work for hg
2014-10-13 22:46 <nebadon> are all the regions this way?
2014-10-13 22:46 <diva> double assignments can be a problem in these inis
2014-10-13 22:46 <nebadon> im looking at keynote 1
2014-10-13 22:46 <diva> justincc this has nothing to do with hypergrid
2014-10-13 22:46 <nebadon> have you looked at others?
2014-10-13 22:47 <justincc> I didn't look at them all but certainly the textures services are not receiving requests according to stats
2014-10-13 22:47 <nebadon> ya this looks like a mistake on my part
2014-10-13 22:47 <nebadon> ok well i guess I will flip it on
2014-10-13 22:47 <justincc> diva: so if GetTexture is being handled by the service, how would it get assets that are in a foreign service?
2014-10-13 22:47 <nebadon> im certain it worked last year
2014-10-13 22:47 <justincc> nebadon: wait a minute
2014-10-13 22:47 <justincc> or are we relying on them already being cached....
2014-10-13 22:48 <diva> GetTexture is a simulator thing. Viewer <-> simulator
2014-10-13 22:48 <justincc> by the asset mapper
2014-10-13 22:48 <diva> these are local textures
2014-10-13 22:48 <nebadon> I think it would perform better if we took the simulator out of the loop
2014-10-13 22:48 <justincc> diva: so what if a foreginer has attachments?
2014-10-13 22:48 <justincc> they are mapped and cached when they enter the sim?
2014-10-13 22:49 <justincc> gathered and cached, I should say
2014-10-13 22:49 <nebadon> i imagine the grid downloads their assets?
2014-10-13 22:50 <diva> textures that belong to foreigners are fetched from their home worlds if they are not found locally
2014-10-13 22:50 <nebadon> or no?
2014-10-13 22:50 <justincc> diva: at what point?
2014-10-13 22:50 <diva> at the point where the local fetch fails
2014-10-13 22:50 <justincc> and when would that fail, at GetTexture?
2014-10-13 22:50 <diva> somewhere in LLClientView iirc
2014-10-13 22:50 <justincc> oh god
2014-10-13 22:50 <nebadon> ya damn i must have made a horrible copy paste error at some point, all the regions have this
2014-10-13 22:50 <nebadon> what a bummer
2014-10-13 22:50 <justincc> LLClientView would not handle GetTexture at all
2014-10-13 22:51 <nebadon> im almost certain i did this in the last few weeks
2014-10-13 22:51 <nebadon> hard to say though for sure
2014-10-13 22:51 <diva> justincc I don't remember the details, but I can look again
2014-10-13 22:51 <diva> it used to work
2014-10-13 22:52 <justincc> diva: I do have a way of instantiating HGAssetBroker to handle GetTexture on the service.  but I don't know if it works yet
2014-10-13 22:52 <justincc> I just know it starts up :)
2014-10-13 22:52 <Ubit> prob on getting the asset..
2014-10-13 22:52 <justincc> but I can also imagine that on entry, the attachments are inspected by the uuid gathere and perhaps textures requested from the foreign service and cached at that point
2014-10-13 22:52 <justincc> although that won't help GetTexture on the service.....
2014-10-13 22:52 <justincc> hm
2014-10-13 22:52 <diva> I can look to refresh my memory
2014-10-13 22:52 <justincc> ok
2014-10-13 22:52 <diva> if you're looking into this
2014-10-13 22:53 <justincc> it would be good to know if using HGAssetBroker is necessary on GetTexture or not.  Though if it was working last year that would suggest it isn't.
2014-10-13 22:54 <justincc> nebadon: you could just enable and we can test to see if HG assets make it through
2014-10-13 22:54 <nebadon> ok
2014-10-13 22:54 <nebadon> let me flip keynotes and jump over
2014-10-13 22:55 <justincc> although they will always show for the avatar themselves since they would be client-side cached
2014-10-13 22:55 <justincc> would require a different user to look
2014-10-13 22:55 <nebadon> yes
2014-10-13 22:55 <justincc> tell me when you do it and I'll jump in as well
2014-10-13 22:55 <Ubit> hgassetbroker?
2014-10-13 22:56 <justincc> This is the class that decides whether an asset needs to be fetched from cache, from local asset service or from a foreign asset service
2014-10-13 22:56 <nebadon> ok
2014-10-13 22:58 <diva> yes, justincc I remember how this works
2014-10-13 22:58 <diva> for appearance assets, the avatar transfer sends the appearance UUIDs in the packet, which triggers the remote fetch of anything that is in those assets
2014-10-13 22:59 <diva> as per UUIGGatherer
2014-10-13 22:59 <diva> so those textures will be transfered to the receiving world, and from then on they are available to everyone
2014-10-13 22:59 <justincc> via the cache?
2014-10-13 23:00 <diva> not just the cache. they are copied over to the local asset server
2014-10-13 23:00 <diva> but they are in the cache too
2014-10-13 23:00 <justincc> or are they inserted into the asset serivce
2014-10-13 23:00 <justincc> ah ok, that makes sense
2014-10-13 23:00 <nebadon> ok justincc
2014-10-13 23:00 <justincc> yeah, because GetTexture if run on the service only has access to the db and not the cache
2014-10-13 23:00 <justincc> ok
2014-10-13 23:00 <nebadon> keynotes are restarted, my local avatar is in, everything loaded quickly with cleared cache
2014-10-13 23:00 <diva> yes
2014-10-13 23:00 <nebadon> logging in second avatar on second computer with cleared cache now
2014-10-13 23:00 <justincc> I wonder if running HGAssetMapper on the GetTexture side is potentially useful or not
2014-10-13 23:01 <justincc> I guess not since this stuff has to be inserted into asset service anyway to have permanence
2014-10-13 23:01 <justincc> ok, logging in
2014-10-13 23:01 <diva> in another grid that I run I have a funky set up with redirects
2014-10-13 23:01 <diva> I use redirects a lot there
2014-10-13 23:01 <diva> but in the case of HG that wouldn't quite work
2014-10-13 23:01 <diva> i think
2014-10-13 23:02 <justincc> would be interesting just to fetch assets on demand from urls and not store, though problematic if the original service disappears
2014-10-13 23:03 <nebadon> im just waiting on HG guys invnetory to load before jumping
2014-10-13 23:03 <justincc> ok
2014-10-13 23:03 <justincc> should be possible to redirect GetMesh as well?  Has that been tried already somewhere else?
2014-10-13 23:04 <diva> it could be. maybe it already is possible
2014-10-13 23:04 <diva> i'd have to look. All CAPs services are potentially redirectable
2014-10-13 23:04 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-10-13 23:05 <justincc> I may look imminently myself for load test tomorrow
2014-10-13 23:06 <justincc> I wrote up wiki instructions for this at http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Direct_Service_Requests (I will be adjusting the HG bit soon now that I know it's not necessary to do that for GetTexture)
2014-10-13 23:14 <justincc> thinking about it further, for attachments you could possibly avoid inserting them in the local asset service if GetTexture was able to use the HGAssetMapper and that would cache them temporarily
2014-10-13 23:15 <justincc> and only insert them in the local or maybe a foreign cache if they were detached and rezzed or given to someone else
2014-10-13 23:15 <nebadon> ok justincc can you check again
2014-10-13 23:16 <diva> yeah. yo'd have to change a few things in the simulator code, though, because the simulator is the one that drives the copying of stuff
2014-10-13 23:16 <justincc> 
ACTION nods. I would hope not to hard to avoid copy if object is attachment. But not something I'm going to worry about for the conf certainly

2014-10-13 23:16 <justincc> bigger fish to fry
2014-10-13 23:16 <nebadon> justincc check console?
2014-10-13 23:17 <nebadon> before i log in again heh
2014-10-13 23:17 <justincc> ok one mo
2014-10-13 23:17 <nebadon> ok
2014-10-13 23:17 <nebadon> here we go
2014-10-13 23:17 <justincc> looks good
2014-10-13 23:18 <justincc> ok, looking good.  Certianly a lot of inv fetech errors though
2014-10-13 23:25 <nebadon> man i cant beleive i screwed that up
2014-10-13 23:25 <nebadon> a little ; changes everything! lol
2014-10-13 23:25 <justincc> right yeah, as I said, show stats on tedxture1 shows a bunch of requests now, so at least kn1 is working :)
2014-10-13 23:25 <diva> cool
2014-10-13 23:26 <justincc> and checking other kns confirms they are changed as well, so we'll see if this improves the situation further tomorrow
2014-10-13 23:26 <AllenKerensky> that misplaced ';' error in an INI file is exactly why I ditched Win 98 and went to UNIX forever
2014-10-13 23:26 <nebadon> lol
2014-10-13 23:26 <AllenKerensky> on windows, that's enough to generate a protected mode error and have windows tell you "reinstall"
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2014-10-14 02:57 <Dillon> I have loaded a simulator on a linux server 14.4 and I am having trouble connecting from my windows pc to the server
2014-10-14 02:57 <Dillon> Can anyone help?
2014-10-14 08:11 <osmantis> Bug #7336:04 PGSQL exception Groups Handler 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7336 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-14 14:52 <Frnic> http://zeissvrone.tumblr.com/products/preorder
2014-10-14 15:10 <nebadon_> heh Frinc, pretty cheezy they are actually using the Oculus Rift Logo to promote a competing product
2014-10-14 15:10 <nebadon_> pretty deceptive
2014-10-14 15:11 <nebadon_> hover over the pre order your VR One now image 
2014-10-14 15:11 <nebadon_> good way to initiate a lawsuit, pretty sure i wouldnt want facebook sueing me
2014-10-14 15:22 <Frnic> huh? Occulus rift logo is Occulus VR - Zeiss’s model name is VR ONE. I don’t think Occulus can trademark VR>
2014-10-14 15:22 <Frnic> BTW - Zeiss is opensourcing the entire thing from what I hear.
2014-10-14 15:24 <Frnic> http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/11/carl-zeiss-vr-one-is-a-99-answer-to-the-samsung-gear-vr/
2014-10-14 15:24 <AliciaRaven> Frnic, the zeiss page has the occulus eye logo, thats what neb was refering to
2014-10-14 15:25 <Frnic> Zeiss page on Facebook doesn;t let me find their Corp weg page...
2014-10-14 15:26 <AliciaRaven> the page u first linked does, as he says hover ur mouse over the pre order image, the image goes dark and shows the eye logo
2014-10-14 15:26 <Plugh> Frnic: https://corporate.zeiss.com/country-page/en_ca/home.html
2014-10-14 15:27 <Frnic> strange - let me try firefox or chrome, Safari doesn’t show that.
2014-10-14 15:30 <Frnic> Got it - the Eye comes up where it says “view post”, seems dumb to me too.
2014-10-14 15:34 <smxy> Maybe someone should email Mr. Zuckerman. :)
2014-10-14 15:35 <Frnic> From what I can see the Oculus-Logo contains the Oculus name, the eye ball has been used by many companies and games.
2014-10-14 15:37 <Frnic> Although it is called the “Oculus Eyeball”.
2014-10-14 15:40 <Frnic> Anyway, Carl Zeiss is rich, shoudl prove intesesting if Zuckerman wants to fight with them.
2014-10-14 16:07 <nebadon_> I just think its silly they would even consider using the Oculus logo on a product page that is 100% competing
2014-10-14 16:07 <nebadon_> you gotta be nuts to do something like that
2014-10-14 16:08 <nebadon_> just asking for trouble at best, at worst they are willfully being deceptive
2014-10-14 16:09 <nebadon_> it would be one thing to use the eye if you werent a competing product
2014-10-14 16:18 <nebadon_> nice
2014-10-14 16:18 <smxy> justincc: You commit message says "If JobEngine is active ..." - do we have to enable that someplace? Or did you second commit just make that moot?
2014-10-14 16:19 <justincc> let's see if it works yet.  I aklso just discovered an optimization I made weeks ago I've been forgetting to set ever since
2014-10-14 16:19 <nebadon_> smxy
2014-10-14 16:19 <nebadon_> its ghost branch
2014-10-14 16:19 <nebadon_> not master
2014-10-14 16:19 <justincc> smxy: at the moment, but only in ghosts, and largely because I have consistently forgotton to set the damn thing ever since I implemented it
2014-10-14 16:19 <justincc> which sucks
2014-10-14 16:19 <smxy> Argh.
2014-10-14 16:19 <nebadon_> if it works well it will end up in master 
2014-10-14 16:20 <smxy> "someday"
2014-10-14 16:20 <smxy> I thought Master was where development took place. Why is there a separate branch?
2014-10-14 16:21 <justincc> if you're going to be snarky I will reply later, I am SUPER busy atm
2014-10-14 16:21 <smxy> Not trying to be snarky, but I can believe you're busy.
2014-10-14 16:21 <nebadon_> what would even be the point of having branches if you only dev in master
2014-10-14 16:21 <nebadon_> we work in branches when we are completely unsure if what we are doing will even work
2014-10-14 16:21 <justincc> ghosts allows me to hack things temproarily and make changes I know will work for conf.  Have to consider how they will work in all cases before porting back to master
2014-10-14 16:22 <justincc> and what nebadon_ said too
2014-10-14 16:23 <smxy> Actually, since I happen to think that's a good way of doing it, I'll just be quiet.
2014-10-14 16:23 <nebadon_> the point of the ghost branch is mostly to try to acheive 400 concurent avatars
2014-10-14 16:24 <nebadon_> so we might get a bit crazy
2014-10-14 16:24 <smxy> In one region?
2014-10-14 16:24 <justincc> nebadon_: if you can, could you update conf now?  It will mean two updates but it would be good to test that there arne't any obvious issues
2014-10-14 16:24 <nebadon_> in 4 regions
2014-10-14 16:24 <nebadon_> ok
2014-10-14 16:25 <nebadon_> 4 adjacent regions with 100 each smxy
2014-10-14 16:25 <smxy> so 400 per region, counting child agents.
2014-10-14 16:25 <smxy> Wow.
2014-10-14 16:29 <nebadon_> ok justincc keynotes are restarted on new code
2014-10-14 16:29 <nebadon_> Staff ZOne is still restarting
2014-10-14 16:30 <justincc> ok, do you have an hg av with lots of attachments?
2014-10-14 16:30 <nebadon_> hmm
2014-10-14 16:30 <nebadon_> i can
2014-10-14 16:30 <nebadon_> give me a few
2014-10-14 16:30 <justincc> thanks, let me know
2014-10-14 16:30 <justincc> I'm having to abandon my desire to streamling hg xml transformation, not enough time/  Going to look quickly at GetMesh instead
2014-10-14 16:30 <nebadon_> ok
2014-10-14 16:31 <justincc> smxy: actually, I am porting some changes back from ghosts into master, just not the ones which need more work
2014-10-14 16:31 <justincc> I would love to eliminate ghosts - it's a pita maintaining a separate branch like this
2014-10-14 16:32 <smxy> I'm sure you will, eventually. I apologize for my comment. It was out of line.
2014-10-14 16:32 <justincc> sorry, just under stress and had little sleep - had to get up like a goddamn normal person to take my car into the garge today :0
2014-10-14 16:33 <smxy> I'll look forward to that particular feature though. Always on the lookout for things to mke HG teleports more reliable.
2014-10-14 16:35 <nebadon_> ok justincc im about to jump
2014-10-14 16:35 <justincc> ok, one min
2014-10-14 16:36 <nebadon_> is it ok to jump?
2014-10-14 16:36 <nebadon_> or wait ti'll your ready?
2014-10-14 16:36 <justincc> now
2014-10-14 16:37 <nebadon_> ok 1 sec
2014-10-14 16:37 <nebadon_> just jumped my local guy in
2014-10-14 16:37 <nebadon_> here comes HG
2014-10-14 16:38 <justincc> ok, no obvious problems from my end
2014-10-14 16:38 <justincc> I see the attachments
2014-10-14 16:44 <justincc> yes, so server throttle might come into play today, which is currently 20mbit.  At 400 that's just 50 kbit per user
2014-10-14 16:44 <nebadon_> so i think the university network is gigabit 
2014-10-14 16:44 <justincc> do you know what bw is available in principle?
2014-10-14 16:44 <nebadon_> but its also very likely they do some throttling as well
2014-10-14 16:44 <nebadon_> they have a very sophisticated firewall setup
2014-10-14 16:44 <justincc> I hate to hear that :)
2014-10-14 16:44 <nebadon_> well its not super aggressive
2014-10-14 16:44 <justincc> I think it may be worth actually going to 200 mbit
2014-10-14 16:44 <nebadon_> but they probably wont let any one perrson use the entire pipe
2014-10-14 16:45 <justincc> we won't get near that but that will stop individual connections being throttled to death
2014-10-14 16:45 <justincc> the limiting is currently not sophisticated without adaptive
2014-10-14 16:45 <nebadon_> ya no single connection would ever consume the entire thing anyway
2014-10-14 16:45 <nebadon_> the viewer wouldnt allow that
2014-10-14 16:45 <justincc> making it sophisticatde takes time...
2014-10-14 16:45 <justincc> they won't be able to exceed the per client throttle set anyway
2014-10-14 16:45 <nebadon_> ya
2014-10-14 16:45 <nebadon_> ok feel free to change anything you want
2014-10-14 16:45 <nebadon_> im ok with testing anything
2014-10-14 16:45 <justincc> so in fact it would be rather worthless atm, might as well set it to 0 with client throt in play at current max
2014-10-14 16:45 <justincc> ok
2014-10-14 16:46 <justincc> on looking through code last week, I have a suspicion dapative starts at low default levels and works up
2014-10-14 16:46 <justincc> might be better to start at client req level and work down if necessary, though may suffer same problems still
2014-10-14 16:46 <justincc> won't try that
2014-10-14 16:47 <nebadon_> hmm ya
2014-10-14 16:47 <nebadon_> the odd part about the adaptive is that it seems like once it starts heavily throttling you
2014-10-14 16:47 <nebadon_> it never lets go
2014-10-14 16:47 <nebadon_> even with several relog
2014-10-14 16:47 <justincc> yeah, might be some clientstack weakness that causes one connection to drop more packets than others
2014-10-14 16:47 <nebadon_> like it never forgets who you are 
2014-10-14 16:47 <justincc> maybe gets locked down to a low level
2014-10-14 17:38 <justincc> nebadon_: I'm not sure if you awnt to try that.  WIll require GetMesh handler to be added to the texture consoles and chagne to OPenSim.ini like GetTexture
2014-10-14 17:41 <justincc> nebadon_: would require sim and service updates
2014-10-14 17:43 <justincc> I added the necessary config lines (one each in Textures*.ini and keynote OPenSIm.ini) commented out for now
2014-10-14 17:44 <nebadon_> ok
2014-10-14 17:44 <nebadon_> i will update
2014-10-14 17:44 <nebadon_> and we can try it
2014-10-14 17:44 <nebadon_> oh does this mean i need to update robust too?
2014-10-14 17:45 <justincc> ok, let me know when you've updated and I will uncomment the lines.  And hopefully we can test quickly.  If it doesn't work it should be possible to go back
2014-10-14 17:45 <justincc> nebadon_: yes
2014-10-14 17:45 <justincc> going back just means switching sims back to localhost
2014-10-14 17:50 <nebadon_> ok robust is updatd and restarted
2014-10-14 17:50 <nebadon_> about to restart regions
2014-10-14 17:50 <justincc> ok, I will need to restart again after config change
2014-10-14 17:50 <justincc> maybe I should just do it now anyway
2014-10-14 17:51 <nebadon_> ok
2014-10-14 17:51 <nebadon_> I will wait on keynotes then
2014-10-14 17:51 <nebadon_> let me know
2014-10-14 17:51 <nebadon_> its updated just need to restart them
2014-10-14 17:52 <justincc> now, or shall I:?
2014-10-14 17:52 <nebadon_> ok you grab robust
2014-10-14 17:52 <nebadon_> i can do regions
2014-10-14 17:52 <justincc> already done robust
2014-10-14 17:53 <nebadon_> oh ok
2014-10-14 17:53 <justincc> I see you did kn1, going to do the rest?
2014-10-14 17:53 <justincc> I need to jump in quickly
2014-10-14 17:53 <justincc> and see if it worked...
2014-10-14 17:54 <nebadon_> yes
2014-10-14 17:54 <nebadon_> ive been experincing that thing you saw
2014-10-14 17:54 <nebadon_> with scripts not starting
2014-10-14 17:54 <nebadon_> so now i kind of wait until each region is started
2014-10-14 17:54 <nebadon_> i think starting all 4 regions simulateously causes that problem
2014-10-14 17:55 <justincc> ok.  I wonder why that is.  YOu think some disk interacftion issue?
2014-10-14 17:55 <justincc> hm
2014-10-14 17:55 <nebadon_> maybe
2014-10-14 17:55 <justincc> yeah, sounds like a possibility
2014-10-14 17:55 <nebadon_> or just mono barfing on threads
2014-10-14 17:55 <nebadon_> xengine can be quirky with threads
2014-10-14 17:55 <nebadon_> its not hard to make it barf in mono
2014-10-14 17:55 <justincc> hmm, though should all be separate
2014-10-14 17:55 <justincc> well anyway
2014-10-14 17:56 <nebadon_> ok all are done
2014-10-14 17:56 <justincc> testing
2014-10-14 17:56 <justincc> looks ok, mesh chairs appeared and I had cleared cache
2014-10-14 17:56 <justincc> going to dbl check
2014-10-14 17:56 <justincc> as you can see on kn1 console, both GetTexture and GetMesh are redirected
2014-10-14 17:57 <nebadon_> nice
2014-10-14 17:58 <justincc> ok good, appeared again - I suspect 1st time I actually had them cached from my local copy of the keynotes ;)
2014-10-14 17:58 <justincc> but this time they did take a while to reload, which gave me a slight scare
2014-10-14 17:58 <justincc> ok, that's it!
2014-10-14 18:32 <nebadon_> misterblue ping
2014-10-14 18:33 <nebadon_> dont need anything its just we were having a good discussion about physics and vehicle border crossing at tuesday meeting
2014-10-14 18:33 <nebadon_> just wanted to see if you wanted to jump over :)
2014-10-14 19:02 <Plugh> nebadon_: if you ever suggested 10x10 as a limit on vars that must have been quite some time ago. I remember a while later that the limit was down to 8x8.
2014-10-14 19:04 <Plugh> bbl
2014-10-14 19:17 <smxy> Plugh: The limit I saw was 4x4 (a 1024).
2014-10-14 19:19 <AliciaRaven> i think they read 1024x1024 and thought it was 10x10.. didnt think neb would ever recommend a 10x10 but they say he did
2014-10-14 19:38 <justincc> kn1 crashed and restarted
2014-10-14 19:38 <nebadon_> awww
2014-10-14 19:38 <nebadon_> any idea what happened?
2014-10-14 19:38 <justincc> aaargh
2014-10-14 19:39 <justincc> uncaught exception that wouldn'#t normally be fatal but I failed to catch in some of the changes
2014-10-14 19:39 <justincc> goddamnit
2014-10-14 19:42 <nebadon_> people are already logging back in though
2014-10-14 19:43 <justincc> there's every chance it will fail again like that
2014-10-14 19:43 <justincc> without this change
2014-10-14 19:44 <nebadon_> hmm ok
2014-10-14 19:48 <nebadon_> ok its back
2014-10-14 19:48 <dahlia> is keynote 3 still up? I froze completely
2014-10-14 19:49 <Arielle_> my viwer closed
2014-10-14 19:49 <justincc> nebadon_: did you restart other keynotes?
2014-10-14 19:50 <nebadon_> yes
2014-10-14 19:50 <justincc> ok
2014-10-14 19:50 <dahlia> you kicked me :P
2014-10-14 19:50 <nebadon_> sorry had to :)
2014-10-14 19:50 <nebadon_> its back now
2014-10-14 19:50 <nebadon_> head on in :)
2014-10-14 19:50 <dahlia> :P
2014-10-14 20:13 <nebadon_> lkalif ping
2014-10-14 20:13 <nebadon_> is there anyway to make radest create child agents on neigbor regions
2014-10-14 20:39 <justincc> yeah. crash wasn't ideal but it was good not to see the deep think from last week
2014-10-14 20:40 <justincc> ok, time to get serious about actually eating
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2014-10-14 22:54 <misterblue> nebadon_, pong
2014-10-14 22:55 <nebadon_> hey misterblue
2014-10-14 22:55 <nebadon_> i was just seeing if you could make it to the meeting
2014-10-14 22:55 <nebadon_> there was a lot of discussion that would have interested you today
2014-10-14 22:55 <nebadon_> about vars, and physics and border crossing
2014-10-14 22:55 <nebadon_> Doug from MOSES was there
2014-10-14 23:00 <misterblue> sorry I didn't make it.... I was driving from conneticut to maryland at the time, I think
2014-10-14 23:01 <misterblue> I will look for the discussion log
2014-10-14 23:07 <nebadon_> ok damn
2014-10-14 23:07 <nebadon_> you just reminded me i forgot to do that
2014-10-14 23:07 <nebadon_> im sure i can maybe dig it out of the viewer logs
2014-10-14 23:07 <nebadon_> let me see
2014-10-14 23:14 <nebadon_> Misterblue > http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2014-10-14
2014-10-14 23:14 <nebadon_> that has the load test chat log too
2014-10-14 23:14 <nebadon_> first hour is meeting 
2014-10-14 23:14 <misterblue> thanks
2014-10-14 23:54 <lkalif> nebadon_: you have to recompile it
2014-10-14 23:55 <nebadon_> ah ok
2014-10-14 23:55 <nebadon_> thats what dahlia thought maybe too wasnt sure
2014-10-14 23:56 <nebadon_> do i have to change code? or is it just something different you do when you compile?
2014-10-14 23:57 <lkalif> it's just one line of code
2014-10-14 23:59 <lkalif> nebadon_: is this for opensim?
2014-10-14 23:59 <lkalif> looks like it should already be connecting to neighbouring region when on opensim
2014-10-15 00:01 <nebadon_> yes it is ok we thought it was previouslyt
2014-10-15 00:01 <nebadon_> but what happened today was the region crashed
2014-10-15 00:01 <nebadon_> and instead of restarting all my radegast viewers i just hit reconnect
2014-10-15 00:02 <nebadon_> maybe that was why it was acting strange
2014-10-15 00:02 <nebadon_> let me test again now
2014-10-15 00:03 <AliciaRaven> nebadon_, i found reconnect isnt reliable, atleased when my internet cuts out
2014-10-15 00:03 <nebadon_> well they did reconnect
2014-10-15 00:03 <nebadon_> but no child agents got established
2014-10-15 00:04 <nebadon_> i meant to test it again after the load test but forgot to
2014-10-15 00:05 <AliciaRaven> i found after the reconect there were afew things that didnt work right or info that didnt populate
2014-10-15 00:06 <AliciaRaven> i use it alot these days, and ive been told 3 times that i was standing nude lol
2014-10-15 00:07 <AliciaRaven> lkalif, anyone else reported nudity problems with it?
2014-10-15 00:07 <nebadon_> ok your right it is working
2014-10-15 00:07 <lkalif> radegast doesn't support multi-wearable unfortunatly
2014-10-15 00:07 <nebadon_> i guess reconnect fails
2014-10-15 00:07 <lkalif> only one clothing item per type
2014-10-15 00:07 <nebadon_> let me test that theory
2014-10-15 00:08 <AliciaRaven> lkalif, it is the same outfit that usualy works, just once in a blue moon it logs in nakid
2014-10-15 00:08 <lkalif> i don't know what else might be causing accidental nudity
2014-10-15 00:08 <lkalif> hmm
2014-10-15 00:08 <AliciaRaven> naked*
2014-10-15 00:08 <lkalif> perhaps it fails to download the assets on those logins
2014-10-15 00:08 <nebadon_> my favorite part about radegast is the super square jaw my avatar sports, very lumberjack
2014-10-15 00:08 <nebadon_> lol
2014-10-15 00:09 <AliciaRaven> lol
2014-10-15 00:09 <AliciaRaven> wouldnt think it was the viewer not downloading, as it appears nude for everyone
2014-10-15 00:09 <nebadon_> takes really long for radegst to time out
2014-10-15 00:10 <nebadon_> if region crashes
2014-10-15 00:10 <lkalif> that's on purpose
2014-10-15 00:10 <AliciaRaven> hardly happens so its not a big deal, i just ask a friend if im clothed after landing lol
2014-10-15 00:11 <nebadon_> must have been a fluke earlier
2014-10-15 00:11 <nebadon_> the heavy load and unusual crash
2014-10-15 00:12 <nebadon_> im unable to recreate the no child agents thing now
2014-10-15 00:12 <nebadon_> well I feel better, we wrongly assumed that for the past 4 months that perhaps radegast wasnt making child agents and thus negating alot of our load testing results
2014-10-15 00:12 <nebadon_> im so glad that is untrue
2014-10-15 00:13 <lkalif> it's true for second life
2014-10-15 00:13 <lkalif> but i double checkd the code
2014-10-15 00:13 <nebadon_> ya i guess that was part of the confusion too
2014-10-15 00:13 <lkalif> and it is not true for non-sl grids
2014-10-15 00:13 <lkalif> where do people test opensim stuff these days since osgrid is gone?
2014-10-15 00:14 <nebadon_> aha
2014-10-15 00:14 <nebadon_> it timed out the child agent
2014-10-15 00:14 <nebadon_> i think the child agent i saw was still there from prior to crash
2014-10-15 00:14 <nebadon_> about 60 seconds after i logged in the child agent poofed
2014-10-15 00:14 <nebadon_> interesting
2014-10-15 00:14 <nebadon_> well thats absolutly recreatable
2014-10-15 00:16 <Plugh> lkalif: Test in a local standalone instance of OS
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2014-10-15 06:47 <LiruCookies> Anyone awake?
2014-10-15 07:08 <LiruCookies> Anyone?
2014-10-15 07:40 <Ubit> no.. not really awake
2014-10-15 07:59 <LiruCookies> Ubit!
2014-10-15 08:00 <LiruCookies> Ubit: You can help me~
2014-10-15 08:00 <Ubit> Ohh ?
2014-10-15 13:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #3852 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-10-15 13:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3852: SUCCESS in 9 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3852/
2014-10-15 13:12 <osjenkins> bluewall: Fix PgSQL adapter for UserProfiles
2014-10-15 13:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #3853 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-10-15 13:27 <osjenkins> bluewall: Cleanup unused code
2014-10-15 13:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #3854 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #3852 38 min ago)
2014-10-15 13:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3854: STILL FAILING in 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3854/
2014-10-15 13:42 <osjenkins> bluewall: Fix logging level to Error in exception handlers
2014-10-15 13:42 <BlueWall> 0.0
2014-10-15 13:43 <smxy> Did it log an Error? :P
2014-10-15 13:44 <BlueWall> looks like it
2014-10-15 13:48 <smxy> hehe
2014-10-15 13:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #3855 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #3852 47 min ago)
2014-10-15 13:54 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2014-10-15 13:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3855: FIXED in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3855/
2014-10-15 13:54 <osjenkins> bluewall: Fix over zealous chopping of text when editing (pilot error)
2014-10-15 15:11 <djphil> Ping nebadon, Hi ;) http://www.blendswap.com/blends/view/76084
2014-10-15 15:28 <osmantis> Bug #7352:04 Autobackup - Code-up error: timerMap doesn't contain timer System.Timers.Timer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7352 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-10-15 16:06 <nebadon> nice djphil, i just saw that on G+ too
2014-10-15 16:06 <djphil> ^^
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2014-10-15 18:05 <Melanie_T> nebadon: is there any update on the status of osgrid?
2014-10-15 18:12 <Dev_Random> Melanie_T:  I realize you're asking nebadon, but since he's silent... this morning, leTwitch posted "The real showstopper at this juncture is that the data recovery folks can see the data, but when they ship it to the datacenter and we get it hooked up to the server, we cant.  So right now what's happening is a straight up dump of the paths and directories to a big volume (single partition) ...  if this doesn't work, we'
2014-10-15 18:12 <Dev_Random> ll be left with nothing more to do than rebuild the server and start rebuilding from archives"
2014-10-15 18:13 <Melanie_T> hmmm so they can start the array and see things?
2014-10-15 18:14 <Melanie_T> seems strange then that you should not be able to as well
2014-10-15 18:14 <Melanie_T> i've had my datacenter techs tell me "both hard disks on your server have failed"
2014-10-15 18:14 <Melanie_T> so i told them "don't touch it, i'll fic it myself"
2014-10-15 18:14 <Melanie_T> and i did
2014-10-15 18:15 <Melanie_T> so my opinion of datacenter techs working on customer data is not all that high
2014-10-15 18:15 <Melanie_T> and, incidentally, i asked neb because he was the last one to speak on this channel so the most likely to be present
2014-10-15 18:18 <BlueWall> http://pastebin.com/HJLVLdTi
2014-10-15 18:18 <BlueWall> there is what Hiro last said
2014-10-15 18:19 <Melanie_T> thanks
2014-10-15 18:19 <BlueWall> yw
2014-10-15 19:11 <smxy> Unless I missed it (possible), what no one has said yet (perhaps, because they don't know yet), is what measures will be put in place to more easily recover when this happens again, whitch it will.
2014-10-15 19:16 <Melanie_T> it is rather hard for me to understand how such a failure could have happened in the first place
2014-10-15 19:17 <Melanie_T> since it was an array
2014-10-15 19:52 <dahlia> Melanie_T: what I heard was that it was a somewhat uncommon hardware raid controller which failed and there was no replacement available so the disks were supposedly unreadable except by a recovery service
2014-10-15 19:53 <dahlia> 
ACTION belives in offsite backups and that RAID != backup

2014-10-15 20:16 <smxy> or replication to another array, in liu of backups.
2014-10-15 20:17 <smxy> Though replication means that if a controller in one array starts diddling all over its disks, the diddling will get replicated. That doesn't happen to backups.
2014-10-15 20:18 <dahlia> replication != backups either
2014-10-15 20:18 <smxy> Nope, but better than nothing.
2014-10-15 20:18 <dahlia> backups usually also offer some sort of history
2014-10-15 20:18 <dahlia> having mysql on raid is worthless if mysql messes up the database
2014-10-15 20:19 <smxy> I'm going to learn MySQL replication (to do in addition to backups).
2014-10-15 20:20 <dahlia> ya I want to do replication on my little minigrid. I wonder if mysql has a transaction stream logging feature also
2014-10-15 20:21 <dahlia> currently I just do periodic mysqldump and copy the file to another server at my home
2014-10-15 20:21 <smxy> I think so, but I think that also requires everything to be InnoDB, which OpenSim tables aren't. 
2014-10-15 20:22 <dahlia> I thought the db type was a mysql thing, not a opensim thing
2014-10-15 20:23 <smxy> OpenSim doesn't tell it to create InnoDB tables. It uses MyISAM tables, I believe.
2014-10-15 20:23 <dahlia> I think it depends on how mysql is configured on the system
2014-10-15 20:23 <smxy> You specify the engine at table creation time, which might mean just taking the default if not specified. It can be changed later.
2014-10-15 20:24 <smxy> There are performance and resource considerations to making the switch, I believe.
2014-10-15 20:24 <dahlia> I think also that mariadb offers some advanced features in the open version that mysql charges for in their closed version
2014-10-15 20:25 <smxy> I'm in the process of switching to MariaDB. :)
2014-10-15 20:25 <dahlia> I haven't yet, but looking into it
2014-10-15 20:25 <smxy> It seems to be a drop-in replacement.
2014-10-15 20:25 <dahlia> ya
2014-10-15 20:26 <smxy> Bleah, got a meeting at work. Back later.
2014-10-15 20:29 <AllenKerensky> correct OpenSim SQL statements and migrations default to MyISAM... I went and switched all that to InnoDB a while back for myself
2014-10-15 20:30 <AllenKerensky> and MariaDB should be a drop-in replacement for MySQL - it was on Fedora
2014-10-15 20:45 <Andsim> hi anyone had issues with 0.8.1
2014-10-15 20:47 <smxy> 0.8.1 has been pretty stable for me. There were a couple of bugs that affected my residents, but they were fixed.
2014-10-15 20:47 <smxy> I am a few days off of HEAD though.
2014-10-15 20:49 <AllenKerensky> http://news.osgrid.org/2014/10/15/recovery-update/
2014-10-15 20:50 <Andsim> what abou thi8s http://pastebin.com/SZpymuEY
2014-10-15 20:57 <AllenKerensky> Andsim that looks like a table setup or migration did not setup the AttachedPosX column in the database
2014-10-15 21:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #3856 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2014-10-15 21:25 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: It is news of a sort, indeed. Odd that bit about getting data that can be read at the recovery center but not at the datacenter
2014-10-15 21:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3856: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3856/
2014-10-15 21:27 <osjenkins> bluewall: Touchup PgSQL XAssets adapter
2014-10-15 21:52 <BlueWall> Plugh, they probably have exotic hardware at the recovery center.
2014-10-15 22:31 <smxy> It's like a slow-motion train wreck that you can't stop watching.
2014-10-15 23:02 <Plugh> BlueWall: Very likely
2014-10-15 23:10 <Arielle_> or even the OS used as I have a couple of drives that I can see the data in a linux distro like Puppy linux which is not recognized by Windows or some other Linuxes
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2014-10-16 01:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #3857 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-10-16 01:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3857: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3857/
2014-10-16 01:51 <osjenkins> melanie: Fix transferring inventory from prims to agent inventory
2014-10-16 02:19 <Plugh> hey, diva. You showed up just in time to answer a question
2014-10-16 02:20 <Plugh> diva: I've got latest 0.8-post-fixes with wifi-0-8-0. On start up I am seeing yellow text saying "[DivaData]: Invalid cast for GridUser store. Diva.Data required for method .ctor."
2014-10-16 02:21 <diva> you need to use Diva.Data dll instead of the OpenSim one
2014-10-16 02:26 <Plugh> I'll double check the install notes to make sure there wasn't a missed step
2014-10-16 02:29 <Plugh> um... the WiFi bin/* files go in to a bin dir in the Robust directory and not in to the top level directory of Robust along with all the other Robust files?
2014-10-16 02:29 <nebadon> ya into bin
2014-10-16 02:29 <nebadon> with the rest of the dlls
2014-10-16 02:31 <Plugh> That isn't what the readme says
2014-10-16 02:33 <nebadon> maybe im misunderstanding
2014-10-16 02:33 <nebadon> you dont copy the actual bin folder from wifi into opensim/bin
2014-10-16 02:33 <Plugh> I think it might be a point in the readme that isn't clear.
2014-10-16 02:33 <nebadon> you copy the contents
2014-10-16 02:33 <Plugh> It says ROBUSTDIR/bin is where they should be. I considered ROBUSTDIR to be the directory containing all the Robust binary files
2014-10-16 02:34 <Plugh> so adding /bin means a sub-directory of where Robust's files are located
2014-10-16 02:36 <Plugh> The network port in Robust.ini needs to be changed to 8002 from 8003?
2014-10-16 02:51 <nebadon> ah ya hmm
2014-10-16 02:51 <nebadon> robustdir should really say project root
2014-10-16 02:52 <AliciaRaven> wouldnt changing the network port to 8002 be a bad idea as then the default port would be outside the firewall?
2014-10-16 02:53 <nebadon> ports can be anything you want
2014-10-16 02:53 <nebadon> but ya i guess it depends on the application
2014-10-16 02:53 <AliciaRaven> true, but the defaults are set with the intention that 8003 is firewalled right?
2014-10-16 02:53 <nebadon> yea i suppose that is true
2014-10-16 02:54 <AliciaRaven> just checking as my ocd means i need to keep security tighter than a crabs ass lol
2014-10-16 02:56 <nebadon> hehe
2014-10-16 02:59 <Plugh> I'm not sure if changing that port is just something required by WiFi or a typ
2014-10-16 03:00 <Plugh> o
2014-10-16 03:00 <Plugh> I'll try it as stated for now.
2014-10-16 03:00 <nebadon> cool
2014-10-16 03:02 <AliciaRaven> unrelated but i never like to use default ports, ssh for example on my grid was getting 300+ password attacks per day, changed it to a random port and it reduces server load because the default port now rejects any connection atempts, i should change opensim ports aswell i guess
2014-10-16 03:02 <AliciaRaven> maybe thats my ocd again tho
2014-10-16 03:02 <Plugh> Good idea about changing port address for ssh
2014-10-16 03:03 <AliciaRaven> i do the same for mysql
2014-10-16 03:03 <Plugh> I have the mysql port firewalled and only accessible by specific machines.
2014-10-16 03:03 <AliciaRaven> opensim is not as bad as only targeted attacks will try those ports, ssh and mysql will bhe tried by anyone and everyone
2014-10-16 03:04 <AliciaRaven> same here for mysql, ssh i have to leave open as our admins ip changes from time to time
2014-10-16 03:05 <AliciaRaven> mysql will only be accesed by webservers static ip and admins use ssh tunnel to access it
2014-10-16 03:47 <Bwild> AliciaRaven, sshd_config comes with its own acl to cut down on brute-force attacks
2014-10-16 03:47 <Bwild> of course you could use tcpwrappers too assuming a u*nix box
2014-10-16 03:49 <AliciaRaven> Bwild, i still think changing the port is a better solution
2014-10-16 03:49 <Bwild> you can do that in sshd_config for the port also
2014-10-16 03:49 <AliciaRaven> that is how u change the port
2014-10-16 03:49 <Bwild> the acl is user@host:port to set where you want sshd to listen
2014-10-16 03:50 <AliciaRaven> but if admins ip changes from time to time as it does with most broadband connections, its simpler to just listen on another port
2014-10-16 03:50 <Bwild> ListenAddress
2014-10-16 03:51 <Bwild> mine for freebsd and ubuntu are found in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
2014-10-16 03:52 <AliciaRaven> isnt that what i was saying, to chnage the listen address?
2014-10-16 03:54 <Bwild> well its part of the solution, the other part is the _user name_ who is attempting to login
2014-10-16 03:54 <Bwild> of course brute force can go beyond that such as buffer attacks using ring zero
2014-10-16 03:57 <Bwild> which some default sshd setting allow root login without password :P
2014-10-16 03:58 <Bwild> thus, AllowUsers and AllowGroups is a good way to stop that
2014-10-16 08:50 <operator1> hi all ^^
2014-10-16 16:01 <operator1> where can one fond the references to the api for opensim... as the ability to make calls to Robust/or/Simulators via interactive shell script or console in linux?
2014-10-16 16:02 <operator1> in example... i want to send calls to start/stop a service from a script in effort to automate Region restarts
2014-10-16 16:02 <operator1> ty in advance
2014-10-16 16:02 <operator1> :)
2014-10-16 16:08 <smxy> I run my simulators in a "screen" session, then use screen's "stuff" command to pass commands into the session from a script. That's one way to do it, at least.
2014-10-16 16:09 <smxy> On Linux.
2014-10-16 16:09 <smxy> Of course, there's the whole REST console, too, but I've never played with that.
2014-10-16 16:33 <Arielle_> is a locked thread where  the console seems to freeze for a while and then suddenly starts scrolling quickly with what it was supposed to be doing?
2014-10-16 17:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #3858 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-10-16 17:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3858: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3858/
2014-10-16 17:05 <osjenkins> bluewall: Experimental XAssets Module PgSQL Adapter: Remove unused migration. Syntax error preventing migration from running.
2014-10-16 17:43 <operator1> ty ty smxy :D   will begin testing soon with screen/
2014-10-16 18:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #3859 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-10-16 18:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3859: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3859/
2014-10-16 18:59 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add some more llGiveInventory() regression tests
2014-10-16 19:04 <Plugh> nebadon: ping
2014-10-16 19:04 <nebadon> hey Plugh
2014-10-16 19:04 <Plugh> nebadon: how long is a shift at the oscc?
2014-10-16 19:06 <nebadon> guess it depends on what your doing
2014-10-16 19:07 <nebadon> best thing would be to do this form and ask http://conference.opensimulator.org/2014/about/contact/
2014-10-16 19:08 <nebadon> to be honest I am not sure i can answer that 100%
2014-10-16 19:08 <nebadon> i dont want to give wrong info
2014-10-16 19:08 <nebadon> fleep or joyce or sine would know better
2014-10-16 19:09 <nebadon> I know we need Greeters and Moderators and Stream Team volunteers still
2014-10-16 19:09 <nebadon> if anyone else is interested ;)
2014-10-16 19:09 <Plugh> That is why I was asking
2014-10-16 19:19 <justincc> oh man, now the goddamn skype installer is doing a java and asking to make bing your search engine and msn your home page by default
2014-10-16 19:20 <nebadon> hehe
2014-10-16 19:20 <nebadon> your suprrised?
2014-10-16 19:20 <justincc> jesus fucking christ
2014-10-16 19:20 <justincc> I thoguht they would have a bit more class
2014-10-16 19:20 <BlueWall> lol
2014-10-16 19:20 <BlueWall> what planet did you grow up on?
2014-10-16 19:20 <justincc> heh
2014-10-16 19:20 <BlueWall> does the google hangouts work ok?
2014-10-16 19:21 <nebadon> should
2014-10-16 19:21 <justincc> on skype?
2014-10-16 19:21 <BlueWall> nope, replacement
2014-10-16 19:21 <nebadon> ive not used it much but i did attend some three.js hangouts a while back worked well
2014-10-16 19:23 <BlueWall> I tried putting skype on my present system and something happened. I don't remember what, but it didn't work out.
2014-10-16 19:42 <nebadon> anyone know if there is a way in the viewer to display object triangle or vertice counts?
2014-10-16 19:48 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, in firestorm develop menu there is an option to show that info for a selected object
2014-10-16 19:48 <nebadon> ah ok
2014-10-16 19:48 <AliciaRaven> im looking now but i cant remember the name but i know its there
2014-10-16 19:49 <nebadon> i wonder if Replex or Sing have similar option
2014-10-16 19:49 <nebadon> not a fan of Firestorm
2014-10-16 20:02 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, i think so, the menus have the same stuff so it must be a common debug feature
2014-10-16 20:04 <nebadon> would be cool to have a script function that could display that information
2014-10-16 20:06 <AliciaRaven> yep, i have script functions to show sl land impact calculations, i know most people hate them tho lol
2014-10-16 20:07 <AliciaRaven> would be better to just show triangle count
2014-10-16 20:07 <nebadon> yea
2014-10-16 20:08 <nebadon> that would be sufficient
2014-10-16 21:36 <BlueWall>  ps ax
2014-10-16 21:36 <BlueWall> 0.0
2014-10-16 22:54 <operator1> can anyone point me to a reference for setting up screen to relay information packaets to/from teh Robust/Simulation Servers?? ty in advance
2014-10-16 22:54 <operator1> :)
2014-10-16 22:54 <operator1> meanwhile i googel it :D
2014-10-16 22:55 <justinccAfk> relay information packets?
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2014-10-16 23:05 <dahlia> operator1: I think most of what goes between a region and robust is http, try something like fiddler http://www.telerik.com/fiddler
2014-10-17 00:19 <AliciaRaven> would adding a field to an existing os table cause any problems with future db migrations?
2014-10-17 00:19 <justincc> just privately?
2014-10-17 00:20 <AliciaRaven> yes
2014-10-17 00:20 <justincc> It would be a problem if the table was just deleted one day, though that's somewhat unlikely
2014-10-17 00:21 <justincc> or if there was a rename which clashed with a private name
2014-10-17 00:21 <AliciaRaven> if os saved back to that table would it update the field with a null value?
2014-10-17 00:21 <justincc> would depend on the schema I would think
2014-10-17 00:22 <AliciaRaven> k thanks justincc, i will give it a try and see what happens lol
2014-10-17 00:22 <justincc> depending on what the data is, you could also stuff it in some of the places where a key:value shceme is used in a random and haphazard manner
2014-10-17 00:24 <AliciaRaven> was wanting to add another field to usersettings for email prefs, just thought it would be neat to keep it with the imviaemail field in the same table
2014-10-17 00:37 <justincc> yeah, you're probably fairly safe putting a field there.  Personally, I would try to keep such stuff completely clear of opensim itself though I know that could be more work
2014-10-17 00:38 <AliciaRaven> i like to play it safe, think i will just have another table to be sure lol
2014-10-17 01:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #3860 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-10-17 01:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3860: SUCCESS in 4 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3860/
2014-10-17 01:15 <osjenkins> bluewall: Fix some typecasting in PgSQL Groups adapter
2014-10-17 03:01 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: Adding a custom field to a table can break things depending on how OS does its inserts. If by position you should add a field to the end of the table to avoid some problems. 
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2014-10-17 16:46 <Arielle_> anyone else seeing issues with the latest master?
2014-10-17 16:55 <AliciaRaven> Arielle_, what kind of issues?
2014-10-17 16:57 <Arielle_> on grid setup both robust.exe and opensim.exe  consoles start up fine but  wont allow login
2014-10-17 16:58 <AliciaRaven> setup, so a clean install?
2014-10-17 16:58 <Arielle_> trying to get a pastebin of the robust messages
2014-10-17 16:58 <AliciaRaven> i upgraded this afternoon and havnt had problems
2014-10-17 16:58 <Arielle_> for a setup i been using  for  some time
2014-10-17 16:59 <Arielle_> used the same config that works fine  from about a month ago
2014-10-17 17:00 <AliciaRaven> how long since you last upgraded and it worked?
2014-10-17 17:00 <Arielle_> http://pastebin.com/qp9WZfRZ
2014-10-17 17:00 <AliciaRaven> most of the recent commits are just for pgsql connectors
2014-10-17 17:03 <Arielle_> last one i was using  was from aug 13
2014-10-17 17:03 <AliciaRaven> looks like a problem with your appearance, its passing an unexpected data type or out of range value to the constructor when trying to load appearance for your avatar
2014-10-17 17:03 <AliciaRaven> can you try a different avatar to see if that works?
2014-10-17 17:04 <Arielle_> yes  just  creaTING A new one
2014-10-17 17:07 <Arielle_> http://pastebin.com/zye5i06a  
2014-10-17 17:07 <Arielle_> thats what happened when trying to create a new account
2014-10-17 17:08 <AliciaRaven> same problem, when u updated u have replaced the OpenMetaverse dlls in the bin directory with the latest?
2014-10-17 17:09 <Arielle_> i pulled it and built
2014-10-17 17:10 <Arielle_> last one here http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=shortlog&p=opensim
2014-10-17 17:10 <Ken_S> Did you build it in a fresh folder and then move all your original config files to that new folder before startup?
2014-10-17 17:11 <Ken_S> If any old dlls are still in the folder that are no longer used, it can create issues.
2014-10-17 17:11 <Arielle_> yes, fresh folder and then did  compare of opensim.ini robustHG.ini and gridcommon.ini
2014-10-17 17:11 <AliciaRaven> providing you are using mysql there are no changes that relate to the area of code thats throwing the exception
2014-10-17 17:12 <Arielle_> when that didnt work, i dropped the  old ini's in directly
2014-10-17 17:12 <Arielle_> yes, mysql
2014-10-17 17:13 <Ken_S> I think all your old inis from august should work fine assuming they were up-to-date then.
2014-10-17 17:13 <Ken_S> I update almost every day they do a change and have had no issues.
2014-10-17 17:14 <Arielle_> didn't seem substantially different  but tried  with both old and new
2014-10-17 17:15 <Arielle_> but, noticing that  the previous one was an osgrid release that i modified
2014-10-17 17:15 <Arielle_> but have done that in past without issue
2014-10-17 17:17 <AliciaRaven> openmetaverse dll is being given bad data for creating a default appearance, but where its getting that bad data from im not sure
2014-10-17 17:19 <Arielle_> tried singularity   and get the same
2014-10-17 17:21 <AliciaRaven> in the bin directory, do u see a folder named openmetaverse_data full og tga files
2014-10-17 17:22 <Arielle_> yes
2014-10-17 17:24 <AliciaRaven> the problem is loading a texture for the default appearance, im not sure but i think it gets the files from that folder when creating the db for the first time, so i expect there could be a corrupt texture in ur asset db
2014-10-17 17:24 <AliciaRaven> wild guess tho, sorry cant be of more help
2014-10-17 17:25 <AliciaRaven> not an area of the code i have looked at before
2014-10-17 17:27 <Arielle_> ok, thx for  responding in any case :)
2014-10-17 18:13 <Arielle_> built latest .8.0.2 source and ran it without  trouble
2014-10-17 22:05 <Plugh> WTF??? SL has been messing with the UI of their viewer again. Initial display with login buttons have the buttons at the top of the screen.
2014-10-17 22:05 <Plugh> and it has 3 Log In buttons
2014-10-17 22:11 <nebadon> i havent looked at the SL viewer in years
2014-10-17 22:11 <nebadon> pretty much since they cut off loginuri i havent ever used it
2014-10-17 22:11 <nebadon> then again ive probably also only logged into SL maybe twice in the past few years
2014-10-17 22:24 <Plugh> I jumped over to SL to look for some scripts in my inventory.
2014-10-17 22:24 <Plugh> As happens most times I go to SL it has a new version of the viewer available for download.
2014-10-17 22:30 <nebadon> ya
2014-10-17 22:30 <nebadon> if i go there i just use replex or singularity
2014-10-17 22:30 <Plugh> I downloaded the latest version and it installed. When I logged in it downloaded a newer version for me to install. :P
2014-10-17 22:31 <Plugh> yea, I do too sometimes. Often I use the SL viewer for SL.
2014-10-17 22:36 <Plugh> sheesh... SL viewer and CtrlAltStudio viewer have buttons to connect to Facebook??  eww
2014-10-17 22:42 <nebadon> thats been around for a while I think
2014-10-17 22:43 <LiruCookies> V3 has that now.
2014-10-17 22:54 <NickyP> my implementation of the new SL login UI, https://bitbucket.org/NickyP/viewer-release-nui
2014-10-18 00:36 <dahlia> NickyP: new ui? what's different?
2014-10-18 00:38 <NickyP> login page with multiple login buttons at the top. I don't like it so, reverted it.
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2014-10-18 03:13 <Plugh> NickyP: I just saw that today too. 
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2014-10-19 02:26 <JanoriaCorven> ah there we go :D
2014-10-19 02:28 <dahlia> that was the first test :)
2014-10-19 02:29 <JanoriaCorven> so my browsers dont like irc links >.>.. tried on all 3 browsers, so decided to grab HexChat
2014-10-19 02:29 <JanoriaCorven> Not the best iǘe seen, but it gets the job done right.
2014-10-19 02:30 <dahlia> ya irc.freenode.net wasn't meant to be a web page link
2014-10-19 02:30 <dahlia> I think there are webchat irc clients tho
2014-10-19 02:30 <JanoriaCorven> ah. my apologies for the assumption xD
2014-10-19 02:31 <dahlia> np :)
2014-10-19 02:31 <JanoriaCorven> i dont like speaking in public places much because i tend to cripple under criticism, constructive or not >.<
2014-10-19 02:32 <dahlia> just ignore it ;) 
2014-10-19 02:33 <dahlia> IRC also has ignore lists but I've not used one
2014-10-19 02:33 <JanoriaCorven> i will do my best.
2014-10-19 02:35 <JanoriaCorven> ok so.. um.. Ask away.
2014-10-19 02:36 <dahlia> ask? you were mentioning something new about sculpt and mesh?
2014-10-19 02:38 <JanoriaCorven> Yes, i wanted to do a complete re-write, that will include Viewer code re-writing.. i´m currently talking to some people in Firestorm as well to see if its possible.
2014-10-19 02:38 <JanoriaCorven> i want to add a few Features that SL has honestly teased us with, but ultimately FAILED in producing..
2014-10-19 02:38 <dahlia> not sure I know what those are
2014-10-19 02:39 <JanoriaCorven> full skeletal system for mesh and or sculpts, whatever is possible. preferably mesh.
2014-10-19 02:39 <dahlia> OpenSim has sculpt collisions which SL lacks
2014-10-19 02:39 <BlueWall> Reliable border crossings?
2014-10-19 02:39 <dahlia> oh
2014-10-19 02:39 <dahlia> ya I've thought of that too. Most of it would be viewer changes tho
2014-10-19 02:39 <BlueWall> Using standard BVH?
2014-10-19 02:39 <JanoriaCorven> Plus a system, much like AO´s in which we can put in full Animations from our preferred 3D Modelling / animation program, in which the model can use.
2014-10-19 02:40 <JanoriaCorven> without the crazy -limited- scripting thats available.
2014-10-19 02:40 <dahlia> ya the server doesnt really use animation data, it just tells the viewers what to use and makes the data availalble to them
2014-10-19 02:41 <JanoriaCorven> *nods and grins* i can understand that.
2014-10-19 02:41 <BlueWall> we have an animation generator in there some where, right?
2014-10-19 02:41 <JanoriaCorven> animation, generator?
2014-10-19 02:42 <dahlia> I've often wanted to make giant tenticled monsters but that would require viewer mods and I dont work on LL-based viewers
2014-10-19 02:42 <BlueWall> It was used in the last April Fools Day prank.
2014-10-19 02:42 <dahlia> lol 
2014-10-19 02:42 <dahlia> ya that was more of a buggy animation generator ;)
2014-10-19 02:43 <dahlia> I dont think it worked right but it sure messed up the avatars and made a great april fools joke :D
2014-10-19 02:43 <JanoriaCorven> I also want to eliminate the current downscaling of textures that SL does, and increase what i -think- is the Texture limit of SL, which i think is 512mb?
2014-10-19 02:43 <BlueWall> I always thought it might be useful for in-world animation tools.
2014-10-19 02:43 <dahlia> JanoriaCorven: ya that's also a viewer thing
2014-10-19 02:44 <dahlia> OpenSim doesn't really process textures either, it just serves them
2014-10-19 02:44 <JanoriaCorven> Someone from FS Support said that was a SL Code thing.
2014-10-19 02:44 <JanoriaCorven> *wont name names*
2014-10-19 02:44 <dahlia> what do you mean by "downscaling"?
2014-10-19 02:45 <dahlia> the LODs?
2014-10-19 02:45 <dahlia> there is a limit of 2048x2048 also
2014-10-19 02:45 <JanoriaCorven> for example, when you put an absolutely crytal clear, sharp texture on something... and in the 3D modelling program, or even in the basic Windows Image viewer.. it looks sharp.. but you import it to SL, it blurs it and downscales it to all shit.
2014-10-19 02:45 <dahlia> which I believe is a fairly sane limit
2014-10-19 02:47 <dahlia> well part of the problem is graphics memory. If you make ginormous textures available, everyone will use them because "higher rez is better" and then nobody's computer will be able to render a scene
2014-10-19 02:47 <dahlia> the problem with SL is amateur content creators
2014-10-19 02:47 <JanoriaCorven> right, but what im trying to say is that it shouldnt AUTO do it.. and keep it like that.
2014-10-19 02:47 <dahlia> they dont know better
2014-10-19 02:48 <dahlia> 2048x2048 is pretty large
2014-10-19 02:48 <JanoriaCorven> yes it is :)
2014-10-19 02:48 <JanoriaCorven> and i dont want to change that resolution size.
2014-10-19 02:48 <dahlia> if you zoom in you should see all the pixels
2014-10-19 02:49 <JanoriaCorven> what i awnt is to have an option where we can choose to blur those textures to ease our pc´s... or to have the right to see them as they are made.
2014-10-19 02:49 <JanoriaCorven> want*
2014-10-19 02:49 <dahlia> but I believe the avatar texture baker limits baked textures to 512x512
2014-10-19 02:49 <BlueWall> Are there any better opensource format than jpg?
2014-10-19 02:49 <dahlia> SL/OpenSIm use jpeg2000
2014-10-19 02:50 <AllenKerensky> png?
2014-10-19 02:50 <JanoriaCorven> if you do the PNG´s right.. or TGA´s right. you can get some pretty low sized files, with decent or excellent quality
2014-10-19 02:50 <AllenKerensky> and yes, I've had the 2K or 4K texture discussion with various opensim folks
2014-10-19 02:50 <AllenKerensky> I'd like to see an adaptive limit - a 4K texture on a 256-1024m environmental sphere woudl be nice
2014-10-19 02:50 <AllenKerensky> but absolute fail on a nanoprim
2014-10-19 02:51 <AllenKerensky> an adaptive max texture size limit based on the prim/face bounds
2014-10-19 02:52 <dahlia> you dont need more pixels in any texture then there are pixels in the screen where it is being displayed. In other words, you dont neeo 2048x2048 pixels if the model it's on is displayed in a 100x100 pixel area
2014-10-19 02:52 <JanoriaCorven> exactly my point.
2014-10-19 02:52 <JanoriaCorven> but its the rendering thats annoying me.
2014-10-19 02:52 <JanoriaCorven> i want to fix the rendering.
2014-10-19 02:52 <dahlia> the viewer controls all rendering
2014-10-19 02:53 <dahlia> the sim just serves assets
2014-10-19 02:53 <dahlia> it has no limit
2014-10-19 02:54 <JanoriaCorven> then it looks like weŕe going to be doing a LOT OF viewer changes... and what looks like... SOME code changes.. to allow BVH animations to pop in, like normal AO animations.. so we can create a skeletal system for mesh, with proper texturing animation, and bvh that can control that mesh.
2014-10-19 02:54 <dahlia> note that many professional game shops have such limits also and artists who think they need more usually end up working elsewhere
2014-10-19 02:55 <dahlia> because performance is important in games
2014-10-19 02:55 <JanoriaCorven> Yes it is :)
2014-10-19 02:55 <AllenKerensky> yes, but OpenSim has wider/broader usecases I think - I am okay with it being up to the region owner if they are doing "virtual art"
2014-10-19 02:55 <JanoriaCorven> so Dahlia, i´d like to ask you, and anyone else that is willing, to help advise me on this project that i am looking to undertake.. and possibly even encourage you to join in and help :).
2014-10-19 02:55 <dahlia> anyway I'd suggest hacking on a viewer because that's where all the limits you are discussing exist
2014-10-19 02:55 <AllenKerensky> an art installation might need/want things that violate the "max tris/max verts/max texture I/O rules of a game studio
2014-10-19 02:56 <dahlia> JanoriaCorven: sorry I have my own viewers. I dont work on LL codebase
2014-10-19 02:56 <JanoriaCorven> we wont be working on LL viewers.
2014-10-19 02:56 <JanoriaCorven> Firestorm is open source, according to Takoda, one of the developers.
2014-10-19 02:56 <dahlia> well my viewers aren't open source 
2014-10-19 02:57 <BlueWall> JanoriaCorven, you can come to the OpenSim office hour on Tuesdays.
2014-10-19 02:57 <JanoriaCorven> well then... when the code is ready, i´d like to invite you to look over it, and possibly impliment it into your code if it is up to your standards.. i will not DENY you involvement in anything... the offer is there and always will be.
2014-10-19 02:58 <JanoriaCorven> @Dahlia
2014-10-19 02:58 <JanoriaCorven> BlueWall, what time and time zone?
2014-10-19 02:58 <dahlia> JanoriaCorven: also note that it's taken me about 5 years to develop non-LL code to display SL content. It's not a simple task by any means.
2014-10-19 02:59 <JanoriaCorven> dahlia, i know.. I am looking at a similar time frame.. possibly even 7 years.. as i plan to do major code changes, and have these pieces of code that are changed, be open to the public
2014-10-19 02:59 <BlueWall> It's at 2:00 EST (GMT-5)
2014-10-19 02:59 <AllenKerensky> yeah the LLUDP stuff has so many messages... it takes years to get near all of them
2014-10-19 03:00 <dahlia> JanoriaCorven: why not just jump in to some new next-gen game engine project?
2014-10-19 03:00 <AllenKerensky> didn't everyone run to Unity?
2014-10-19 03:00 <dahlia> there's gazillions of them out there
2014-10-19 03:00 <dahlia> unity is closed source
2014-10-19 03:01 <dahlia> I meant open
2014-10-19 03:05 <JanoriaCorven> the next gen game engine projects are saturating the market... i wont get any sort of exposure or anything.. the Alternate or Meta verses that we know, isnt THAT saturated.. so thereś still plenty of space and room for improvement, and massive overhauling.
2014-10-19 03:07 <JanoriaCorven> safe to say, i dont want to create something modern.. i want to re-invite something, to bring it into the more modern era then what it was built for.
2014-10-19 03:12 <dahlia> well I'd suggest seriously looking into modifying the LL codebase as duplicating it's functionality is an extremely difficult thing to do
2014-10-19 03:13 <dahlia> the V2/V3 codebase is also LGPL so you can even distribute some replacement parts as closed source if you need to
2014-10-19 03:14 <dahlia> however, Radegast viewer does duplicate some of it's functionality and is open source
2014-10-19 03:14 <dahlia> and BSD licensed
2014-10-19 03:15 <dahlia> so you might want to peek at it also
2014-10-19 03:15 <JanoriaCorven> oh definitely, this isnt going to be a one viewer, one understanding thing, i am going to be contacting developers from all of these viewers that are open sourced..
2014-10-19 03:15 <JanoriaCorven> and possibly even speaking to some of the OS Devs too..
2014-10-19 03:15 <JanoriaCorven> the more information i get, the more i can understand and better target.
2014-10-19 03:16 <dahlia> well speaking here, or on the opensim-dev mailing list would get you some exposure to opensim devs
2014-10-19 03:16 <dahlia> mailing list probably better
2014-10-19 03:17 <dahlia> but I suspect 90% or more of what you are considering (based on what you've told me so far) is all viewer side
2014-10-19 03:18 <dahlia> there are also hooks in opensim to support other viewer types and content types although they haven't been used much and may have bitrotted
2014-10-19 03:20 <JanoriaCorven> hmm... Jibe... seems to be the most attractive thus far
2014-10-19 03:21 <dahlia> Jibe, the unity thing?
2014-10-19 03:23 <dahlia> this? http://reactiongrid.com/
2014-10-19 03:24 <dahlia> they used to be a fairly popular opensim provider but they bailed to focus on jibe
2014-10-19 03:30 <JanoriaCorven> well i might use that if its compatible
2014-10-19 03:30 <dahlia> its unity based
2014-10-19 03:31 <JanoriaCorven> is it, compatible with OS or OS based software?
2014-10-19 03:32 <dahlia> probably not. There may be ways to move some SL/Opensim content to it
2014-10-19 03:32 <dahlia> if you come to the tuesday dev meeting you can talk to Pathfinder (used to be a linden) who I think works for reactiongrid
2014-10-19 03:33 <JanoriaCorven> nice
2014-10-19 03:33 <dahlia> he probably knows all the details
2014-10-19 03:33 <dahlia> I wrote a unity based viewer for opensim a few years back but it was for a client
2014-10-19 03:34 <dahlia> and they refuse to consider open sourcing it
2014-10-19 03:37 <JanoriaCorven> hmmm
2014-10-19 04:16 <LiruCookies> 
ACTION waves, "Did someone mention viewer devs?"

2014-10-19 04:22 <JanoriaCorven> we've been speaking about it LiruCookies :D
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2014-10-19 21:12 <zontreck> Hey, just curious, but why was OpenSim written in C# and not C++?  C++ is native code and tends to run much faster than C# on mono
2014-10-19 21:32 <dahlia> zontreck: probably because it used libsecondlife which was written in c# and implements the SL protocols. That said, c# is generally a lot easier and faster to develop with and also much easier to debug. If I had my druthers tho I probably would have considered a dynamic language of some kind which would make managing all the object attributes a lot easier.
2014-10-19 21:33 <AllenKerensky> some of those devs are in the channel and may speak up if they feel like waxing nostalgic
2014-10-19 21:33 <dahlia> c++ really requires a high level of expertise to successfully build high complexity applications and it's difficult to find that in developers
2014-10-19 21:34 <dahlia> and c# isnt really all that much slower for most of the stuff that opensim does
2014-10-19 21:35 <AllenKerensky> the tl;dr read answer is "its what the folks who did it wanted to use" heh
2014-10-19 21:35 <dahlia> btw rumor has it that early attempts to develop libsecondlife used c++ and they changed to c#
2014-10-19 21:46 <zontreck> dahlia, interesting! I've written C++ servers in the past, so i was curious about why. But, i'd be interested in doing a C++ port if i had other devs to assist me since its pretty large-scale. I think scripts could run faster as well as server response times wouldn't be lagged down as much (though limitted by the individual's upload speed)
2014-10-19 21:46 <dahlia> zontreck: good luck :)
2014-10-19 21:49 <dahlia> zontreck: if I wanted to improve performance, I'd first attempt to understand teh bottlenecks and maybe do a lot of profiling before I made the decision that a complete rewrite in another language was required. Just sayin' ;)
2014-10-19 21:52 <AllenKerensky> and I'd look at scale out performance using Distributed Scene Graph before a massive regrind as well
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2014-10-20 00:25 <nebadon> BlueWall ping
2014-10-20 01:10 <nebadon> BlueWall, nothing important just wanted to let you know that OSCC grid is flipped over to v2 profiles
2014-10-20 01:10 <nebadon> no more dumb errors :)
2014-10-20 01:10 <nebadon> was working over HG to my local grid too
2014-10-20 04:36 <BlueWall> hey nebadon, cool
2014-10-20 04:37 <nebadon> hey, ya seems to be working well
2014-10-20 04:38 <BlueWall> I've been in Blenderland, lol
2014-10-20 04:38 <nebadon> nice
2014-10-20 04:38 <BlueWall> my brain is pretty much fried.
2014-10-20 04:38 <nebadon> I had a robust console that was doing nothing but serving groups
2014-10-20 04:38 <nebadon> so i added profiles to that console as well
2014-10-20 04:38 <BlueWall> that should work good
2014-10-20 04:39 <nebadon> yea
2014-10-20 04:40 <BlueWall> we only have a couple more opportunities to test it, right?
2014-10-20 04:42 <nebadon> yes we have 2 big weekend events scheduled though
2014-10-20 04:42 <nebadon> and maybe 2 more tuesday tests
2014-10-20 04:42 <nebadon> the 2 big load tests are preceded by training 
2014-10-20 04:42 <nebadon> presenter and moderator training 
2014-10-20 04:42 <nebadon> and then 1 week before we do dry run
2014-10-20 04:43 <nebadon> so maybe like 5 more chances for big loads, justin and I can always fire up 100s of bots to pound on it too
2014-10-20 04:43 <BlueWall> I jumped to K4 and I'm sunk into the floor
2014-10-20 04:43 <nebadon> huh let me try 1 sec
2014-10-20 05:13 <nebadon> you crash BlueWall?
2014-10-20 05:13 <BlueWall> had to kill my viewer
2014-10-20 05:13 <nebadon> oh heh ya no worries
2014-10-20 05:13 <nebadon> dont melt your computer
2014-10-20 05:13 <nebadon> lol
2014-10-20 05:13 <BlueWall> the driver doesn't work well at all
2014-10-20 05:13 <nebadon> did you see the ebee link i posted?
2014-10-20 05:14 <nebadon> https://www.sensefly.com/drones/ebee.html
2014-10-20 05:14 <BlueWall> I saw some, but I couldn't get the browser to run
2014-10-20 05:14 <BlueWall> what was that filter forge one again?
2014-10-20 05:14 <BlueWall> ohhh, nice
2014-10-20 05:15 <nebadon> http://filterforge.com/filters
2014-10-20 05:15 <BlueWall> ohhh, that's an external tool
2014-10-20 05:15 <nebadon> ya i just wanted you to see what proper normal and spec maps looked like
2014-10-20 05:15 <nebadon> you could try some out if you wanted
2014-10-20 05:16 <BlueWall> mine looked like UV maps
2014-10-20 05:16 <nebadon> these just happen to work well with the SL viewer
2014-10-20 05:16 <nebadon> ya there are many ways to make different types of normal and spec maps
2014-10-20 05:16 <dahlia> 
ACTION thinks the 100 avatar limit should be raised for the next test

2014-10-20 05:16 <nebadon> there isnt really just 1 kind
2014-10-20 05:16 <nebadon> ok dahlia
2014-10-20 05:17 <nebadon> i think we can over ride 100 with the ini right?
2014-10-20 05:17 <dahlia> dunno
2014-10-20 05:17 <dahlia> I thought I remember seeing it in estate settings somewhere but I cant remember
2014-10-20 05:17 <nebadon> ya MaxAgents =
2014-10-20 05:18 <BlueWall> region?
2014-10-20 05:18 <nebadon> ya in Regions.ini
2014-10-20 05:19 <nebadon> i set it for 200 per region for now
2014-10-20 05:20 <dahlia> 200? :D
2014-10-20 05:20 <dahlia> prolly should mention it to justin ;)
2014-10-20 05:20 <BlueWall> Launch: To launch the eBee, shake it three times to start its motor, then just throw it into the air. 
2014-10-20 05:24 <nebadon> ya I will dahlia
2014-10-20 05:24 <nebadon> im not sure we can go much above 480 without making more avatar accounts
2014-10-20 05:24 <nebadon> i probably should make all new avatars for us to use
2014-10-20 05:25 <nebadon> i may attempt to do that tomorrow
2014-10-20 05:27 <dahlia> nebadon: if you have 480 you could probably try putting 180 into one region and seeing if it breaks while the others have 100 each. At least it would increase the boundaries of the test beyond the normal 400
2014-10-20 05:28 <dahlia> I'm just curious if there's much margin above 400 or not
2014-10-20 05:29 <nebadon> ya
2014-10-20 05:29 <nebadon> im all for it
2014-10-20 16:08 <Ken_S> I have a Surface Pro 2 tablet and Sing and Replex both crash when you pull up and use the on-screen keyboard.
2014-10-20 16:09 <Ken_S> This has been happening for aboput 2 months, but it doesn't happen with any other viewers.
2014-10-20 16:12 <Plugh> Is there any sort of documentation on what script commands are currently working that can move an object? There is the moveto command, applying impulses, keyframing, and possibly one or two other methods I don't recall off-hand. 
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2014-10-20 17:43 <Plugh> The LSL_Function_Status wiki page needs updating. It reports it was last updated in 2012.
2014-10-20 17:43 <Plugh> Only had some minor(?) updates since then.
2014-10-20 17:53 <nebadon> I am sure it could stand to be updated Plugh, however I am not a whole lot has changed to LSL since 2012 either
2014-10-20 17:53 <nebadon> that said the wiki can always be better :)
2014-10-20 18:15 <AllenKerensky> hehehe "Adopt A Wiki Page" 
2014-10-20 18:20 <Plugh> GetGeometricCenter() is broken. It doesn't return the correct vector.
2014-10-20 18:52 <osmantis> Bug #7353:04 llGetGeometricCenter() returns the wrong vector. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7353 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-10-20 18:57 <osmantis> Bug #7353:04 llGetGeometricCenter() returns the wrong vector. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7353 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-20 19:07 <osmantis> Bug #7353:04 llGetGeometricCenter() returns the wrong vector. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7353 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-20 19:18 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: :)
2014-10-20 19:18 <Plugh> I'm thinking the other two object center functions are broken
2014-10-20 19:19 <Plugh> other one
2014-10-20 19:21 <nebadon> I wonder if the physics engine plays a part in those functions Plugh
2014-10-20 19:21 <nebadon> perhaps they were not fully implemented in bullet, just a guess
2014-10-20 19:21 <nebadon> guess that depends on if they were working at one point or not
2014-10-20 19:40 <Plugh> nebadon: It looks to me that they are SOP properties but I think it would make more sense if they were SOG properties as the value is dependant on a linkset.
2014-10-20 19:41 <Plugh> GeometricCenter does go back to a PhysicsActor property of a SOP.
2014-10-20 19:52 <dahlia> theres some code in meshmerizer to compute a AABB for a volume but I don't think anything uses it unless there's some error condition
2014-10-20 19:53 <dahlia> there's really not many places the data is available to compute it
2014-10-20 19:53 <dahlia> physics might be able to
2014-10-20 21:40 <osmantis> Bug #7354:04 In VAR region, Avatar sitting on child prim does not follow child prim rotation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7354 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-10-20 22:57 <justincc> hey BlueWall. are you around?
2014-10-20 22:59 <justincc> hey nebadon, are you around?
2014-10-20 23:01 <nebadon> hey justincc
2014-10-20 23:02 <justincc> nebadon: when you get a chance, could you update with current ghosts?  I need to check I haven't broken anything if nothign else
2014-10-20 23:02 <nebadon> ok
2014-10-20 23:06 <justincc> nebadon: do you know if any of BlueWall's recent commits were to do with those userprofiles  404s showing up?
2014-10-20 23:07 <nebadon> I do not kow
2014-10-20 23:07 <nebadon> but
2014-10-20 23:08 <nebadon> you might not be happy and if your not I can revert it super easily
2014-10-20 23:08 <nebadon> but i flipped the OSCC grid over to new profiles
2014-10-20 23:08 <nebadon> its just a matter of changing the ini and its back to old profiles
2014-10-20 23:08 <nebadon> honestly from what i can tell core profiles runs better
2014-10-20 23:08 <justincc> meh, I would be more unhappy if you just said you flipped to mono 3.8 again :)
2014-10-20 23:09 <nebadon> i put profles on the same robust as groups
2014-10-20 23:09 <nebadon> so it wont have any effect on the main robust
2014-10-20 23:09 <justincc> I don't think it's a big deal.  I do hope to look tomorrow and trace through why these errors are even occuring if I can
2014-10-20 23:09 <nebadon> ya I figured your time was better spent
2014-10-20 23:09 <nebadon> i know the problem goes away with core profiles
2014-10-20 23:09 <justincc> oh really?
2014-10-20 23:09 <nebadon> yea
2014-10-20 23:10 <nebadon> osprofiles was definitely the problem
2014-10-20 23:10 <justincc> any idea why, or is this just observed?
2014-10-20 23:10 <nebadon> when people running core groups
2014-10-20 23:10 <nebadon> jumped into a grid running osprofile
2014-10-20 23:10 <nebadon> I dont know why it did it
2014-10-20 23:10 <nebadon> probably some misalingment in data
2014-10-20 23:10 <nebadon> serialization maybe
2014-10-20 23:10 <nebadon> i dont know
2014-10-20 23:10 <justincc> ok, I'm hoping the issue has been fixed and not just the exception hidden (unless that turns out ot be the only way to handle it)
2014-10-20 23:11 <nebadon> well i tested it well
2014-10-20 23:11 <nebadon> it works great with HG now
2014-10-20 23:11 <nebadon> it wasnt before
2014-10-20 23:11 <justincc> with a user that was generating the exceptions before?
2014-10-20 23:11 <nebadon> almost no one is running osprofiles
2014-10-20 23:11 <nebadon> we really should be shifting focus to the core module
2014-10-20 23:11 <justincc> yeah
2014-10-20 23:11 <nebadon> oh my avatars always made it happen
2014-10-20 23:11 <nebadon> when i came in via HG
2014-10-20 23:11 <justincc> the only ting about third party stuff is that scalability may be better
2014-10-20 23:11 <justincc> running on better performing webservers
2014-10-20 23:12 <nebadon> i could run 4 or 5 robust consoles if needed
2014-10-20 23:12 <justincc> ok good call
2014-10-20 23:12 <nebadon> and just spread em around the grid
2014-10-20 23:12 <nebadon> i suspect 1 will be sufficient
2014-10-20 23:12 <justincc> it's probably a drop in the bucket compared to toher traffic
2014-10-20 23:12 <nebadon> ya
2014-10-20 23:12 <justincc> it's just that console spamming which was super annoying, but never like to turn that down until I understand why it happens
2014-10-20 23:13 <nebadon> ok Staff Zone 1 is restarted
2014-10-20 23:13 <nebadon> let me check with fleep
2014-10-20 23:13 <nebadon> she is at Keynotes
2014-10-20 23:13 <nebadon> she may be working
2014-10-20 23:13 <justincc> ok
2014-10-20 23:13 <justincc> I will want to immediate test with hg avatars with attachments if possible, though I can do that myself as well
2014-10-20 23:13 <justincc> or just one hg avatar should be enough
2014-10-20 23:13 <justincc> this is another fix that I'm hoping will reduce cpu use with hg login, though I suspect it won't have an amazing impact
2014-10-20 23:15 <nebadon> ok cool
2014-10-20 23:16 <nebadon> i can jump the alien
2014-10-20 23:16 <justincc> great.  ok, let me know when keynotes have been updated
2014-10-20 23:16 <justincc> as usual when first coming online on a monday, I have a stack of comms to deal with
2014-10-20 23:16 <nebadon> restarting kn4 now
2014-10-20 23:16 <nebadon> then its ready
2014-10-20 23:16 <justincc> ok
2014-10-20 23:17 <nebadon> its up
2014-10-20 23:17 <nebadon> my local avatar is in 
2014-10-20 23:17 <nebadon> say when to jump hg
2014-10-20 23:17 <nebadon> im logging him in now to my grid
2014-10-20 23:18 <justincc> ok, when you're ready
2014-10-20 23:18 <nebadon> i can jump 2 simultaneously if that helps
2014-10-20 23:18 <justincc> just one is fine first of all
2014-10-20 23:19 <nebadon> ok
2014-10-20 23:26 <nebadon> justincc afk ping me on skype if you need me, back soon
2014-10-20 23:26 <justincc> ok
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2014-10-21 01:06 <Plugh> nebadon: I still use osprofiles. There is some sort of issue when switching between osprofiles and core profiles?
2014-10-21 01:12 <Plugh> oh, nebadon is afk
2014-10-21 01:33 <justincc> hey nebadon, please update keynotes again when you get a chance.  These latest changes should allow me to test something out, possibly early tomorrow (though probably not that early).
2014-10-21 01:34 <justincc> for now, goodnight
2014-10-21 03:31 <Tas> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTlir3CJir8
2014-10-21 03:39 <dahlia> Tas: the avatar eyelashes look horrible
2014-10-21 03:50 <Trinity93> if it all isnt opensource its dead in the water
2014-10-21 03:50 <Trinity93> least with that level of tech
2014-10-21 03:53 <nebadon> they lost me at cash economy
2014-10-21 03:53 <nebadon> hehe
2014-10-21 03:53 <nebadon> on their website http://COSMOS3D.COM
2014-10-21 03:57 <nebadon> their forums appear over run with spam
2014-10-21 03:57 <nebadon> strange
2014-10-21 03:57 <Trinity93> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L3ZUQUGvxQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZSOcFejw4w if your word don't look like this don't even bother to get in the game with something new
2014-10-21 03:57 <Trinity93> world i ment
2014-10-21 03:59 <nebadon> i wasnt even that impressed with outtera
2014-10-21 03:59 <nebadon> basically just seems like lots of terrain with the same tree repeated 10,000 times
2014-10-21 04:00 <nebadon> visually its nice, but what happens when there are 100s of types of trees and actual other content heh
2014-10-21 04:01 <Trinity93> they are working on the tree thing
2014-10-21 04:01 <Trinity93> and you can upload all the mesh you like 
2014-10-21 04:02 <Trinity93> there is some verry nice scripted mesh things avaliable for it :P
2014-10-21 04:07 <Trinity93> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tl6DhcEqss with a city rezed
2014-10-21 04:10 <Trinity93> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvoTcaScZmQ
2014-10-21 04:11 <Trinity93> anyways its where things will end up eventulay 
2014-10-21 04:22 <dahlia> that cosmos thing looks a lot like that thing the army made but now I cant remember the name of it
2014-10-21 04:22 <dahlia> I wonder if its a fork
2014-10-21 04:36 <Trinity93> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07wCGgOE7q8 hehe farm sim :P
2014-10-21 04:42 <dahlia> Trinity93: it needs music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb63PdPweDc
2014-10-21 04:46 <Trinity93> lol
2014-10-21 04:47 <dahlia> maybe this is what I was thinking of https://vwf.adlnet.gov/0750/adl/sandbox/z4xfNEQSbDYKB5WS/
2014-10-21 04:51 <nebadon> you are right dahlia
2014-10-21 04:51 <nebadon> its very similar, nearly identical, minor differneces
2014-10-21 04:52 <dahlia> open source too https://github.com/virtual-world-framework/vwf
2014-10-21 04:52 <nebadon> actually im certain its 100% identical
2014-10-21 16:21 <osmantis> Bug #7062:04 utterly mystifying Syntax error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7062 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-21 17:34 <justincc> hey nebadon_
2014-10-21 17:34 <nebadon_> hey
2014-10-21 17:35 <justincc> nebadon_: ok, pls update with this change when you can.  That should be it for today
2014-10-21 17:35 <nebadon_> ok
2014-10-21 17:35 <Plugh> 
ACTION just remembered it is Tuesday

2014-10-21 17:35 <justincc> nebadon_: it was actually more helpful than I realized getting your alien attachments on my avacon hg avatar, since I was able to jump it directly into my home hg system
2014-10-21 17:35 <justincc> at which point I was able to reproduce the lag issue
2014-10-21 17:35 <nebadon_> cool
2014-10-21 17:36 <justincc> this change removes it on my system.  It's not the final solutino, but this does work and I've run out of time for more changes
2014-10-21 17:36 <justincc> ok, going to get some tea, back in 5 mins
2014-10-21 17:36 <Plugh> justincc, nebadon_: what where you talking about yesterday re: osprofile and core profile? Is there an incompatability that needs fixing in osprofile(?) ?
2014-10-21 17:37 <nebadon_> we are not sure actualy plugh, just that it prints an error when you HG from a region running core profiles to a grid running osprofile
2014-10-21 17:37 <nebadon_> i dont have the error handy
2014-10-21 17:38 <nebadon_> basically it was a 404
2014-10-21 17:38 <Plugh> ok. Send me the error if you are able to reproduce it some time (or can find it in the logs).
2014-10-21 17:38 <nebadon_> trying to request profile data
2014-10-21 17:38 <nebadon_> ok
2014-10-21 17:38 <Plugh> 404? That's file not found.
2014-10-21 17:38 <nebadon_> yea
2014-10-21 17:38 <Plugh> Strange. That is like it was pointing to the wrong URL.
2014-10-21 17:38 <nebadon_> it seemed to be requesting HG profile data from osprofiles locally
2014-10-21 17:38 <nebadon_> and returning 404s
2014-10-21 17:39 <nebadon_> local avatars were fine
2014-10-21 17:39 <Plugh> AFAIK, core profile doesn't use URLs to external web pages.
2014-10-21 17:40 <Plugh> nebadon_: Any chance you recall if the error included the URL in the message?
2014-10-21 17:40 <nebadon_> it does support profiles over HG though
2014-10-21 17:40 <nebadon_> not off the top of my head i'll have to dig up the error
2014-10-21 17:40 <nebadon_> give me a few
2014-10-21 17:40 <Plugh> ok. It might be too much to hope that the actual URL was reported.
2014-10-21 17:40 <Plugh> np.
2014-10-21 17:41 <Plugh> I'm working on some stuff for an AVR microcontroller and a vaccuum flourescent display sample I recently acquired.
2014-10-21 17:43 <nebadon_> nice
2014-10-21 17:44 <nebadon_> ok justincc everything is ready to go
2014-10-21 17:44 <Plugh> Its a nice display although not one to use if you are working with a system where overall power consumption is important.
2014-10-21 17:47 <nebadon_> wow justin there was no lag at all
2014-10-21 17:47 <nebadon_> running around as Alien teleported in
2014-10-21 17:47 <nebadon_> that is great
2014-10-21 17:48 <nebadon_> interestingly for my HG user there was no gradual loading of content for Keynote 1
2014-10-21 17:48 <nebadon_> KN2,3,4 were all instantly visible
2014-10-21 17:48 <nebadon_> keynote 1 remained invisible for 60-90 seconds, then everthing suddenly became visible all at once
2014-10-21 17:49 <Plugh> nebadon_: The other three were visible immediately but the one you were in took a while to appear?
2014-10-21 17:49 <justincc> ok, that's odd.  None of the recent changes should trigger that, though my testing today was only jumping into a practically empty region
2014-10-21 17:50 <justincc> I have observed a problem, which I think is a recent regression, where jumping to a new destination very quickly and then jumping back will stop objects from loading in
2014-10-21 17:50 <justincc> but though a recent regression, likely around for a few months
2014-10-21 17:50 <nebadon_> yes
2014-10-21 17:51 <justincc> I suspect it's becasue I stopped the resend if the child connection is still open, which is usually wasteful but might be causing this issue
2014-10-21 17:51 <nebadon_> the child agent connection on departure sim seems to stay open for a while
2014-10-21 17:51 <justincc> right
2014-10-21 17:51 <nebadon_> you can observe this behavior by taking 2 regions and putting them one space apart so gap in between
2014-10-21 17:51 <nebadon_> teleport from one to the othe
2014-10-21 17:51 <nebadon_> rthe one you leave is visible for 60+ seconds after you arrive
2014-10-21 17:51 <nebadon_> then eventually it poofs away
2014-10-21 17:51 <justincc> yes, that's a very long existing behaviour where children connections are purposefully kept open
2014-10-21 17:52 <nebadon_> i think if you jump back before that disconnect
2014-10-21 17:52 <nebadon_> it breaks
2014-10-21 17:52 <justincc> what do you mean by breaks?
2014-10-21 17:52 <nebadon_> your like a child and a root simultanously
2014-10-21 17:52 <justincc> er, what behaviour do you see?
2014-10-21 17:52 <nebadon_> most of the time empty region
2014-10-21 17:52 <nebadon_> or cant move
2014-10-21 17:52 <nebadon_> attachments get lost
2014-10-21 17:52 <justincc> ok, will need to looka t that at some point
2014-10-21 17:53 <justincc> does it always happen if you jump back?
2014-10-21 17:53 <nebadon_> if its too fast very likely yes, i wouldnt say 100% of the time though
2014-10-21 17:53 <justincc> yeah, I think still some remaining uncovered race condition, which is disappointing
2014-10-21 17:54 <justincc> have you seen that on master or only on ghosts?
2014-10-21 17:55 <nebadon_> its been around for a while
2014-10-21 17:56 <nebadon_> its nothing recent
2014-10-21 17:57 <nebadon_> teleporting in general is not a great experience still
2014-10-21 17:57 <nebadon_> if your rapidly jumping around, it rarely doesnt go wrong at some point
2014-10-21 17:57 <nebadon_> if you could teleport 10 times in a row id be surprised
2014-10-21 17:57 <nebadon_> it depends on the grid too probably
2014-10-21 17:57 <justincc> I must admit, never encounteded it in my tests but I'm not so surprised.  Very hard to replicate all the conditions
2014-10-21 17:58 <justincc> do you tend to jump around with an avatar with lots of attachments?
2014-10-21 17:58 <nebadon_> yea
2014-10-21 17:58 <nebadon_> in a small sandboxe'd environment
2014-10-21 17:58 <nebadon_> might be impossible to recreate
2014-10-21 17:58 <justincc> I do tests with multiple local grids, but you're right, very hard to recreate all conditions
2014-10-21 17:58 <justincc> what I really want is regression tests that can control timing to replicate every possible combination of conditinos,but that's a very time consuming task
2014-10-21 18:08 <smxy> I've done as many as 4000+ continuous teleports between regions. I had to set up a horizontal gate at each end, with a platform over it, and each gate set to rez me over the other gate's platform. Then 30 seconds after I land, the platform slides out of the way and I drop onto the gate for the return trip. Hard o automate as a regression test though.
2014-10-21 18:10 <smxy> And yes, if you go back too quiick, you can collide with yourself, as nebadon_ noted.
2014-10-21 18:11 <justincc> the code is suppoed to handle that situation and was in my tests
2014-10-21 18:11 <justincc> but I'm disappointed bu tnot surprised if there are still races that aren't handled properly
2014-10-21 18:17 <smxy> Teleporting is infinitely better than it used to be, and will yet improve, I'm sure. :)
2014-10-21 20:24 <osmantis> Bug #7355:04 System decimal separator setting not handled correctly on string conversions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7355 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2014-10-21 22:40 <osmantis> Bug #7354:04 In VAR region, Avatar sitting on child prim does not follow child prim rotation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7354 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-10-21 22:43 <osmantis> Bug #7354:04 In VAR region, Avatar sitting on child prim does not follow child prim rotation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7354 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-10-21 23:10 <osmantis> Bug #7356:04 llGetPrimitiveParams returns transparency instead of alpha for PRIM_TEXT 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7356 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-10-22 00:01 <osmantis> Bug #7357:04 Recent commit change now makes it impossible to stop the default SL sit animation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7357 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-10-22 00:01 <osmantis> Bug #7357:04 Recent commit change now makes it impossible to stop the default SL sit animation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7357 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007325.
2014-10-22 00:01 <osmantis> Bug #7325:04 NPC sitting on an object and being immediately updated to a different animation does not display this until next scene update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7325 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007357.
2014-10-22 00:02 <osmantis> Bug #7357:04 Recent commit change now makes it impossible to stop the default SL sit animation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7357 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-10-22 00:11 <osmantis> Bug #7357:04 Recent commit change now makes it impossible to stop the default SL sit animation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7357 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-22 00:17 <osmantis> Bug #7354:04 In VAR region, Avatar sitting on child prim does not follow child prim rotation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7354 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-22 04:47 <CrasherRob> Regarding mantis 7357: Isn't this the same as mantis 6438? (I recently ran into the same problem, fixed by adding a "stand" after removing the default sit. This allows further animations to be added and removed.)
2014-10-22 15:04 <osmantis> Bug #7358:04 [NPC MODULE] create NPC triggers TWO unnecessary lookups via [HGFRIENDS MODULE] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7358 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-10-22 15:21 <mheilman> hello, is anyone present?
2014-10-22 15:30 <AllenKerensky> (shhhhh no one say anything - and we'll all jump out and yell boo for halloween)
2014-10-22 15:32 <mheilman> Is there any updates documentation on plugin develoment?  I currently have the examples from 0.6, and the existing 0.8 source
2014-10-22 15:32 <AllenKerensky> you mean like region modules
2014-10-22 15:32 <mheilman> yes
2014-10-22 15:33 <AllenKerensky> the ModInvoke module was one I had the best success with
2014-10-22 15:33 <AllenKerensky> and it worked fine in 0.8
2014-10-22 15:33 <AllenKerensky> the 0.6 examples should mostly all work as-is too since they were pretty basic API examples if I remember correctly
2014-10-22 15:34 <AllenKerensky> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_Region_Modules
2014-10-22 15:34 <mheilman> indeed, but the module I'm writing is rather complicated, and I am not finding much on affecting the scene from a module
2014-10-22 15:34 <AllenKerensky> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/IRegionModule
2014-10-22 15:34 <AllenKerensky> http://bluewallvirtual.com/example_region_module
2014-10-22 15:35 <AllenKerensky> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OSSL_Script_Library/ModInvoke
2014-10-22 15:35 <AllenKerensky> those are all the links I have for getting started with
2014-10-22 15:35 <AllenKerensky> going further seemed to basically be to dig into the source and find the classes and methods you wanted, and invoke them from your module
2014-10-22 15:36 <AllenKerensky> a lot of times you have to just implement the same interface and honor that interface's contract, so focus on the existin I* classes
2014-10-22 15:36 <mheilman> Thats what I was afrad of.  My module is already functional at a basic level, but I want to record avatar actions in a scene to be replayed later
2014-10-22 15:36 <AllenKerensky> the source is self-documenting *evilgrin*
2014-10-22 15:37 <mheilman> I put it all through doxygen, but that is not very helpful
2014-10-22 15:37 <mheilman> what the heck, I'll just ask what I'm thinking.
2014-10-22 15:37 <AllenKerensky> sounds like you want to look at what gets sent to/from client as a start which is in some LLClient* classes
2014-10-22 15:38 <mheilman> I am able to subscribe to presence events, and record those actions.  I am able to replay them to some extent in the scene using a simple box instead of an NPC or similar for now.
2014-10-22 15:39 <mheilman> However, I am relying on the OnFrame signal to perform the playback to avoid threading issues, and I am playing back multiple movements per frame it seems
2014-10-22 15:39 <AllenKerensky> makes sense - I believe that the sim can collect/redistribute multiple events from all actors in the scene during a single frame
2014-10-22 15:40 <mheilman> The idea is to be able to play back an event with multiple avatars participating, so that other avatars can see exactly what happened, and free-cam around.  So I am pretty sure I need to record this at the scene level
2014-10-22 15:40 <AllenKerensky> sounds like you need to have a talk with Melanie and JustinCC and see if you can explain what you're looking for and get some roadmap signposts where to look
2014-10-22 15:42 <mheilman> ok, thank you
2014-10-22 15:46 <AllenKerensky> and of course keep slogging the source, it may jump out at you as you dig
2014-10-22 16:51 <AllenKerensky> http://www.computerhistory.org/_static/atchm/xerox-alto-source-code/
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2014-10-22 20:57 <dahlia> AllenKerensky: now you need an emulator 
2014-10-22 20:59 <AllenKerensky> lol dahlia or make a region module that pushes that as osDraw output
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2014-10-22 22:21 <smxy> BlueWall: I saw your email. How will (does?) that affect OpenSim?
2014-10-22 23:40 <BlueWall> smxy, we have our prebuild.xml set to 4.0. 
2014-10-22 23:42 <BlueWall> I guess one of two things - we are stuck on present versions of mono until Debian decides to move up, or we give Debian users instructions on running their parallel mono environment.
2014-10-22 23:44 <BlueWall> And, maybe it won't be that drastic. I'll test asap to see what happens.
2014-10-22 23:49 <smxy> BlueWall: nebadon_ and I (maybe others) both run 3.10. This would prevent us from going to later releases, right? We usually try to stay on the current release.
2014-10-22 23:51 <BlueWall> It looks that way. I have a parallel mono environment too and I can check it out.
2014-10-22 23:51 <smxy> Ugh.
2014-10-22 23:52 <BlueWall> I saw a statement by Richard Stallman saying that Debian shoudl ditch mono altogether.
2014-10-22 23:52 <smxy> Well, I personally don't use Debian and do not want to be limited by some version of mono that some os I don't use, needs.
2014-10-22 23:52 <smxy> I'd rather be limited by whether OpenSim can use 4.5 or not.
2014-10-22 23:53 <justincc> I don't seehow this is an issue tbh
2014-10-22 23:53 <BlueWall> I don't know how much influence he holds over that project, but if they lag too far, I would vote to tell users they would need to run parallel environments.
2014-10-22 23:53 <BlueWall> justincc, do you think it will still build under the 4.0 tools?
2014-10-22 23:54 <BlueWall> Would need to get on 3.x for a 4.5 toolset
2014-10-22 23:54 <dahlia> I use debian
2014-10-22 23:54 <dahlia> and I dont really care what RMS says
2014-10-22 23:54 <BlueWall> Grandma
2014-10-22 23:54 <BlueWall> hehe
2014-10-22 23:54 <dahlia> :P
2014-10-22 23:55 <justincc> mono builds are done for mono.  As long as we don't use any 4.5 features we are fine
2014-10-22 23:55 <BlueWall> I'm not 100% sure what happens, but I am wondering if they drop the 4.0 tools it will leave us in no-man's land.
2014-10-22 23:55 <justincc> if any are used they will be caught by continuous integration which is always going to run the oldest version of mono
2014-10-22 23:56 <justincc> mono doesn't do much policing of which .net version you're using anyway
2014-10-22 23:56 <BlueWall> +
2014-10-22 23:56 <justincc> mono doesn't do it liek windows does
2014-10-22 23:56 <justincc> I doubt this will be an issue personally.  Maybe some build stuff adjustment but that will be it
2014-10-22 23:56 <justincc> my opinion
2014-10-22 23:56 <BlueWall> OK, I'll try to catch it asap and give it a test.
2014-10-22 23:56 <dahlia> I build on windows and run on debian
2014-10-22 23:57 <BlueWall> Yeah, I'm not 100% sure what it means.
2014-10-22 23:57 <BlueWall> I just know we are setting everything up for 4.0 and he said it would be removed.
2014-10-22 23:58 <justincc> 4.5 varies not much from 4.0
2014-10-22 23:58 <justincc> but mono doesn't pay all that much attention to .net version stuff anyway
2014-10-22 23:59 <BlueWall> oren patched up prebuild to handle 4.5 tools a while back. so, that's not an issue.
2014-10-22 23:59 <dahlia> I thought mono would barf when it encounters an unimplemented feature
2014-10-23 00:00 <BlueWall> I remember it having issues when you (h\dahlia) used those funky parameters once
2014-10-23 00:00 <BlueWall> I think that was in the 4.0 tools and we were on 3.5
2014-10-23 00:00 <dahlia> ya I vaguely remember something like that happening. I dev on windows with visual studio
2014-10-23 00:01 <dahlia> I think it was parameter initialization or something like that
2014-10-23 00:02 <dahlia> void Foo(int bar = 0){}  like thing
2014-10-23 00:03 <dahlia> vs was fine with it but mono was on older version and didnt like it
2014-10-23 00:04 <BlueWall> optional parameters, so if you call the method w/o parameters you have those defaults defined.
2014-10-23 00:04 <dahlia> ya
2014-10-23 00:04 <dahlia> bad habit I picked up from c++
2014-10-23 00:05 <BlueWall> haha
2014-10-23 00:05 <BlueWall> c++ is a trick
2014-10-23 00:05 <dahlia> well lots of languages allow optional parameters
2014-10-23 00:05 <BlueWall> php, python
2014-10-23 00:06 <dahlia> javascript *EWWWWW*
2014-10-23 00:06 <BlueWall> :D
2014-10-23 00:07 <BlueWall> it always takes me a while to get my head around javascript when I have to work with it.
2014-10-23 00:07 <dahlia> javascript is insane
2014-10-23 00:07 <AllenKerensky> {,,,} = new Array(4); // lolwut?
2014-10-23 00:07 <dahlia> it does so many stupid things
2014-10-23 00:07 <BlueWall> it's pretty cool to make things dance around on web pages though
2014-10-23 00:08 <dahlia> ya but they encourage stupid programming
2014-10-23 00:08 <dahlia> and bugs
2014-10-23 00:08 <dahlia> it's WAY too forgiving of stuff which causes serious bugs
2014-10-23 00:09 <BlueWall> what's bugs?
2014-10-23 00:09 <BlueWall> 0.o
2014-10-23 00:09 <dahlia> I'd be much happier with unchecked array indices or even raw pointer math than the crap that javascript allows
2014-10-23 00:10 <AllenKerensky> free trivia - did you know the Terminator was programmed in Javascript?
2014-10-23 00:10 <BlueWall> pointer FTW
2014-10-23 00:10 <AllenKerensky> In the first movie, you see a deathcounter = 0.0 ... only Javascript would make you write an int as a float like that.
2014-10-23 00:11 <dahlia> lol I vaguely remember seeing assembly language on the Terminator's HUD display
2014-10-23 00:11 <AllenKerensky> or maybe it was the second movie
2014-10-23 00:11 <AllenKerensky> anyway yeah - a float for a kill counter... useful?
2014-10-23 00:11 <AllenKerensky> and I think it was 6502 assembly
2014-10-23 00:12 <AllenKerensky> lots of robots were powered by the 6502 - like Bender from Futurama
2014-10-23 00:12 <dahlia> well java would work for that too but I'd think an unsigned would word better for a kill counter
2014-10-23 00:12 <dahlia> you'd get an extra bit for moar kills :)
2014-10-23 00:12 <AllenKerensky> if java supported unsigned anything
2014-10-23 00:13 <AllenKerensky> a friend of mine teaches java and every so often I ask him if Java has unsigned types yet, and he just cringes
2014-10-23 00:13 <dahlia> maybe the terminator would fail after 32767 kills?
2014-10-23 00:14 <AllenKerensky> or it rolls to negative int and skynet gets real upset
2014-10-23 00:15 <AllenKerensky> this sounds like a troll post on a movie forum: "do terminators use twos-complement math?"
2014-10-23 00:15 <dahlia> the unsigned thing, and the com.org.net.wtf.all.this.crap.in.the.class.definition are the 2 things that annoyed me the most about javascript
2014-10-23 00:16 <AllenKerensky> but yeah - javascript and float-ints...
2014-10-23 00:16 <dahlia> errr java
2014-10-23 00:16 <AllenKerensky> oh yeah contractor-grade package trees
2014-10-23 00:16 <dahlia> ya
2014-10-23 00:16 <AllenKerensky> gimme POJO or gimme death
2014-10-23 00:17 <dahlia> POJO?
2014-10-23 00:17 <AllenKerensky> plain old java objects
2014-10-23 00:17 <dahlia> oh
2014-10-23 00:17 <dahlia> I I kinda remember long ago when I first tried java it didnt have all that
2014-10-23 00:17 <AllenKerensky> scrape off the enterprise barnacles, the design pattern religions and wars, and just knock out simple tools quickly and be done
2014-10-23 00:18 <dahlia> and crucify whoever it was who demanded they never have unsigned ints
2014-10-23 00:18 <AllenKerensky> i think I read somewhere it was Gosling
2014-10-23 00:18 <AllenKerensky> and intended to "fix it later" and never got around to it before ship date
2014-10-23 00:18 <AllenKerensky> so, it became Codified then Ossified
2014-10-23 00:19 <dahlia> oh I heard it was a religous obsession like thing
2014-10-23 00:19 <AllenKerensky> and now its a religious war in the community process or something keeping it from being fixed
2014-10-23 00:20 <AllenKerensky> http://www.gotw.ca/publications/c_family_interview.htm
2014-10-23 00:20 <AllenKerensky> he left it out for simplicity or something
2014-10-23 00:21 <dahlia> Ritchie was the only sane one
2014-10-23 00:21 <AllenKerensky> amen
2014-10-23 00:26 <AllenKerensky> soon we'll all have a USB12 port in our skull and code directly from thought to compiler
2014-10-23 00:28 <dahlia> 
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2014-10-23 15:17 <osmantis> Bug #7359:04 Datasnapshot not running - PGSQL adapter related? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7359 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-10-23 22:26 <tsf>  hello, someone  know how to set abuse report to opensim ?
2014-10-23 22:53 <Wanderer_42> Not sure. I think, you should contact the grid-owner directly
2014-10-23 22:54 <smxy> I've built Mono 3.10.0 on CentOS 7 (I've successfully built and am using it on CentOS 6). I can get Robust.exe to start. but it always fails, saying that it can't find libgdiplus.so. I do have /opt/mono/lib in LD_LIBRARY_PATH. I even added the directory to ld.so.conf and ran ldconfig. 'ldconfig -p | grep libgdiplus' shows that it knows about the library and where it is. But I cannot, for 
2014-10-23 22:54 <smxy> the life of me, get OpenSim to find it. Suggestions? I've even temporarily disabled selinux, in case that was interfering somehow. No dice.
2014-10-23 23:03 <smxy> Hmm. Might be an inability to find libcairo.so.2 ...
2014-10-23 23:04 <smxy> I know that's a build dependency, but it's also apparently a runtime one as well ...
2014-10-23 23:12 <smxy> and jpeg ... and tiff ... heh ... still finding them. Setting MONO_LOG_LEVEL=debug is quite useful. It's finding libgdiplus just fine, but not the things *it* needs, so I'm installing and iterating ...
2014-10-23 23:21 <smxy> Got it. :)
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2014-10-24 12:39 <osmantis> Bug #7336:04 PGSQL exception Groups Handler 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7336 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-24 12:59 <osmantis> Bug #7360:04 14 tables without primary key PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7360 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-10-24 13:00 <osmantis> Bug #7359:04 Datasnapshot not making snapshots - PGSQL adapter related? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7359 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-10-24 17:33 <Guest94764>  hello someone know how to put abuse report working on opensim ?
2014-10-24 17:33 <nebadon> I dont think you can
2014-10-24 17:33 <nebadon> the viewer is hard coded for LL servers
2014-10-24 17:34 <nebadon> i suspect that would need to be made so it could be passed as a variable on login, i dont think it is, i could be wrong however possible someone did do that already but i don't think its been done
2014-10-24 17:35 <Plugh> What variable?
2014-10-24 17:36 <Guest94764> the email report at Region /states table also do not let me set email 
2014-10-24 17:37 <nebadon> Plus they were asking about how to enable abuse report in opensim
2014-10-24 17:37 <nebadon> I do not think you can, but i have been wrong before :)
2014-10-24 17:37 <nebadon> Plus=Plugh heh
2014-10-24 17:38 <Plugh> Oh, ok. I haven't looked in to abuse reports. I have been wanting to get mutelists working.
2014-10-24 17:39 <nebadon> I would think mutelist would be pretty simplistic
2014-10-24 17:39 <nebadon> kind of suprised no one ever did that, seems like pretty low hanging fruit
2014-10-24 17:39 <smxy> Yet, in all these years, no one's done it. :)
2014-10-24 17:39 <smxy> heh
2014-10-24 17:40 <nebadon> i probably would never use it myself
2014-10-24 17:40 <nebadon> someone annoys me i just ban them
2014-10-24 17:40 <nebadon> lol
2014-10-24 17:40 <smxy> The only person I'd mute, I like to keep an eye on, heh (Salad Boy).
2014-10-24 17:40 <nebadon> he never talks anyway
2014-10-24 17:40 <nebadon> i dont recall him ever saying anything
2014-10-24 17:41 <smxy> He did once to me.
2014-10-24 17:41 <smxy> Just trying to see if I was AFK or not.
2014-10-24 17:41 <smxy> Then he nailed me. :)
2014-10-24 17:41 <nebadon> that dude is seriously wierd
2014-10-24 17:41 <smxy> Just be glad he isn't one of the devs. :)
2014-10-24 17:42 <smxy> Imagine the havoc ...
2014-10-24 17:42 <nebadon> actually if he was able to channel his energy into something productive
2014-10-24 17:42 <nebadon> hed probably be scary 
2014-10-24 17:42 <Plugh> 
ACTION looks to see if he has libOMV on the laptop.

2014-10-24 17:43 <smxy> So my new CentOS 7 test grid is working nicely.
2014-10-24 17:43 <nebadon> i did see your message smxy, that is good
2014-10-24 17:43 <nebadon> im not suprrised, linux and mono are making huge strides lately
2014-10-24 17:43 <smxy> Building Mono was easy and didn't need any existing mono installed to do it.
2014-10-24 17:44 <Plugh> The mutelist module doesn't do much other than request the mutelist file.
2014-10-24 17:44 <smxy> Which doesn't even have to exist, Plugh.
2014-10-24 17:45 <smxy> But you have to configure it anyway.
2014-10-24 17:46 <nebadon> ya if the viewer receives null then offline messages breaks I think
2014-10-24 17:47 <Plugh> smxy: I like to keep a copy of libOMV on my machine so I can check on some of the message types and packets when I'm thinking of implementing a missing feature.
2014-10-24 17:48 <smxy> I'm sure it's a handy reference.
2014-10-24 17:48 <Plugh> I've never looked at why the mutelist needs to be configured and if it really breaks anything if it wasn't set up.
2014-10-24 17:49 <Plugh> smxy: It is. For example, I can look at it to see what other MuteList related messages exist.
2014-10-24 17:50 <nebadon> i think what happens is the mute list and offline im URI is serialized or something
2014-10-24 17:50 <smxy> MmHmm. I have a copy of it too.
2014-10-24 17:50 <nebadon> and if mute is null it cant be deserialized
2014-10-24 17:50 <nebadon> so the viewr just igores it
2014-10-24 17:51 <nebadon> ignores*
2014-10-24 17:51 <smxy> eeeeegore. :)
2014-10-24 17:51 <nebadon> lol
2014-10-24 17:51 <nebadon> http://www.intermed.it/shuttle/box1004/igor.jpg
2014-10-24 17:52 <nebadon> 
ACTION aka Abbie Normal

2014-10-24 17:52 <smxy> hehehe
2014-10-24 17:53 <smxy> I should watch that movie again. It's always fun. :)
2014-10-24 17:53 <Guest94764> someone know the command in linux to enter in file OpenSim.exe without reopen it ?
2014-10-24 17:53 <smxy> Huh?
2014-10-24 17:54 <Guest94764> if i use mono --debug Opensim.exe if the file is runing it just restart 
2014-10-24 17:54 <Guest94764> i want to acess programm without restart it
2014-10-24 17:54 <Plugh> I thought it was more "eye gore"
2014-10-24 17:54 <smxy> Perhaps you don't have things set up properly.
2014-10-24 17:55 <Guest94764> i'm just using standalone version
2014-10-24 17:55 <Plugh> Guest94764: Are you trying to access the OpenSim console?
2014-10-24 17:55 <Guest94764> yes
2014-10-24 17:55 <smxy> Well, you *are* supposed to stop it before you try to start it again.
2014-10-24 17:56 <Plugh> oh, so you backgrounded it, logged out of the shell and are trying to get back in?
2014-10-24 17:56 <Guest94764> yes
2014-10-24 17:56 <smxy> That's why you should start it inside 'screen'.
2014-10-24 17:57 <Plugh> yes, I was about to mention using screen.
2014-10-24 17:57 <smxy> Then you can disconnect and reconnect easily.
2014-10-24 17:57 <Guest94764> how do i do it ?
2014-10-24 17:57 <smxy> man screen
2014-10-24 17:58 <Guest94764> is it http://www.rackaid.com/blog/linux-screen-tutorial-and-how-to/?
2014-10-24 17:58 <Plugh> Guest94764: I just did a quick Google search and found this -> http://linux.die.net/man/1/dislocate
2014-10-24 17:58 <smxy> Or use tmux
2014-10-24 17:58 <smxy> I use a combination of screen and tmux
2014-10-24 17:59 <Dev_Random> why both?
2014-10-24 17:59 <Plugh> I just use screen.
2014-10-24 18:00 <Plugh> Guest, if you have dislocate installed on your computer that may help you reconnect with your session. In the future you are better off running OpenSim inside screen
2014-10-24 18:00 <smxy> I have screen on each VM, with one window per simulator. I use tmux on my central server to multiplex all the screen sessions.
2014-10-24 18:01 <Plugh> I name my screen sessions so I can select which one I want to reconnect with by name.
2014-10-24 18:01 <Dev_Random> I use only tmux.... but I never detach, it's all local.  
2014-10-24 18:02 <Plugh> 
ACTION doesn't have tmux installed.

2014-10-24 18:03 <Plugh> There are 5 MuteList related packet types. Two important ones update and remove entries.
2014-10-24 18:03 <smxy> I have 18 VMs. Each runs a screen session with 5 or more windows. On the central server, I ssh to each server, from a tmux window and attach to the screen session there. I can lay them out on the screen how I like and the different programs have different command prefixes, so I don't have to worry about where the key combination is going to be applied.
2014-10-24 18:04 <Dev_Random>  yeah.. I can see that.. ctrl-b here, ctrl-a there.....
2014-10-24 18:04 <smxy> yes
2014-10-24 18:04 <Dev_Random> makes sense 
2014-10-24 18:05 <smxy> I need to automate the tmux part so I don't spend a half hour getting connected when my central server needs a reboot.
2014-10-24 18:06 <Guest94764> i dont know run with dislocate
2014-10-24 18:07 <smxy> Learn screen then. :)
2014-10-24 18:08 <smxy> Tip: It looks complicated, but all you really need to know is how to make new windows, move between them, and how to detach and reattach.
2014-10-24 18:08 <smxy> That will cover 99% of what you need.
2014-10-24 18:12 <Guest94764> how do i know how many windows is already runing ?
2014-10-24 18:12 <smxy> My test grid is a little crazy, lol. I have three CentOS 7 VMs, one on each of three XenServer 6.5 Beta 3 servers, that are each running on a VMware Fusion VM. onn my iMac. :)
2014-10-24 18:14 <smxy> I manage a lot of it from a Win7 VM on the iMac, too. So right now, my iMac is acting as 8 computers, heh.
2014-10-24 18:15 <smxy> And the Win7 VM is running in Parallels. So two different virtulization systems on the one computer.
2014-10-24 18:19 <Plugh> The document isn't clear if dislocate only works if a process was started by the dislocate command.
2014-10-24 18:20 <Plugh> I've used one instance of screen per OpenSim instance. 'ps aux |grep -i screen' lets me see what screen instances are running and the names I gave the screen sessions.
2014-10-24 18:28 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=47
2014-10-24 18:28 <smxy> Yeah. I'm mulling over switching to one screen session per sim, too, so that I can use Monit to start/monitor them.
2014-10-24 18:28 <nebadon> how to configure screen to make it nicer to use ^^
2014-10-24 18:28 <smxy> I use your screenrc, nebadon :)
2014-10-24 18:28 <smxy> I even use it at work. :)
2014-10-24 18:28 <nebadon> http://magazine.redhat.com/2007/09/27/a-guide-to-gnu-screen/
2014-10-24 18:29 <nebadon> http://arundelo.livejournal.com/390.html
2014-10-24 18:33 <smxy> I started with one VM and now I have 18. Each with their own copy of mon, opensim, my automation scripts, etc.
2014-10-24 18:34 <smxy> Now, in the test grid, I'm making it all work out of one NFS shared directory.
2014-10-24 18:34 <smxy> One copy of everything, instead of 18.
2014-10-24 18:34 <smxy> Vastly easier to manage.
2014-10-24 18:35 <nebadon> heh ya
2014-10-24 18:35 <nebadon> its very handy for sure
2014-10-24 18:35 <smxy> Going to finally set up slave DB servers too, and configure the slave for nightly backups.
2014-10-24 18:35 <nebadon> i sometimes have 20-30 tabs going
2014-10-24 18:36 <smxy> One slave in my DB farm and another on my iMac, totally removed from everything else.
2014-10-24 18:36 <smxy> er, VM farm
2014-10-24 19:02 <Plugh> I've 
2014-10-24 19:04 <smxy> ... forgotten what you were going to say? :)
2014-10-24 19:06 <Plugh> Fingeritis. Hit wrong key on keyboard while trying to chat in two places at once.
2014-10-24 19:07 <Plugh> I'm not sure where the mute list information is stored.
2014-10-24 19:07 <Plugh> The module stores it in a file but that would be local to a given instance.
2014-10-24 19:13 <Guest94764> sometimes the OpenSim.exe closeself is anyway to make  alays runnig with screen ?
2014-10-24 19:16 <Wanderer_42> Guest94764: not sure, what you mean, respectively what you asking for. Can you describe that in other words ?
2014-10-24 19:16 <Plugh> Guest94764: Use a shell script in the screen instance to restart OpenSim if it terminates.
2014-10-24 19:18 <Plugh> Guest94764: I use a shell script in my screen instances. The one thing to keep in mind is to have a way to exit the loop when you want to shut the instance down and not restart it. I check for the presence of a "stop" file. If the file exists, it terminates the loop instead of restarting the instance.
2014-10-24 19:20 <smxy> That's what I do too, Plugh.
2014-10-24 19:21 <smxy> My stop script, that stuffs the shutdown command into the window, creates that file so that the script will exit the loop. My start script deletes the file before starting the sim.
2014-10-24 19:22 <Plugh> I've added a bit of code to my local copy of the MuteList module to get it ready to support the missing functionality.
2014-10-24 19:25 <Plugh> I have to copy the changes to a remote machine where I can test it since my laptop isn't set up to run OS.
2014-10-24 19:27 <Ubit> screen -ls lists screens and states
2014-10-24 19:28 <Plugh> Hm... I can fiddle with mutelist as it is now to see if I can get the concept working. I don't really want to have it rely on an external website in the long term.
2014-10-24 19:30 <smxy> Yeah. why not put the info in the DB?
2014-10-24 19:31 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2014-10-24 19:32 <Plugh> This is one of those situations involving both OS and viewer.
2014-10-24 19:33 <Plugh> It is such a pain with my main machine not working
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2014-10-24 20:20 <Plugh> I've got the routines and hooks in place for updating/removing mute list entries. I just have to determine what to do with the data in the requests.
2014-10-24 21:17 <ox64-p> hi all :)   anyone here used the Updatelibrary.py script before and had any luck with it?
2014-10-24 21:25 <justincc> ox64-p: I haven't heard of that script before
2014-10-24 21:28 <ox64-p> it's on the wiki page:  http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Updatelibrary.py
2014-10-24 21:29 <justincc> I suspect it should still work as not much has changed there even in the past 3 years, but can't say for sure
2014-10-24 21:30 <ox64-p> it seems to work fine, i can get it to build the xml files successfully and no errors, but the new inventory items that i add do not show up in the opensim library, only the new folders
2014-10-24 21:31 <justincc> have you compared against the existing xml?
2014-10-24 21:31 <ox64-p> according to the wiki it can be used to update inventory with files in the inventory/assets folder, or with existing items already in the asset database.  i believe it's working fine for items in folders, but i cannot get it to work to add existing items from the database, so i wasn't for sure if something might have changed or if there's some additional things that have to be done before it works correctly
2014-10-24 21:32 <ox64-p> yes
2014-10-24 21:32 <ox64-p> i also looked up the asset ids to make sure the names and ids being referenced in the xml exist in the database, and i am seeing the items in the database
2014-10-24 21:33 <justincc> if it all looks okay I'm not sure what's going wrong/.  I would suggest manually adding an item to your library and see if that works
2014-10-24 22:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #3861 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-10-24 22:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3861: SUCCESS in 9 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3861/
2014-10-24 22:06 <osjenkins> justincc: Refresh OpenMetaverse libraries again at 0f4b361 but with Windows builds to see if this resolves some user problems.
2014-10-24 22:16 <justincc> hey nebadon, are you around?
2014-10-24 22:17 <nebadon> hey
2014-10-24 22:18 <justincc> nebadon: do you have the chatlog from last tues meeting?  I just accidentally deleted my own chat record
2014-10-24 22:18 <nebadon> oh hmm probably let me look
2014-10-24 22:22 <nebadon> justincc : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2014-10-21
2014-10-24 22:22 <justincc> thanks man
2014-10-24 22:23 <nebadon> no problem :)
2014-10-24 22:24 <nebadon> justincc are you planning on any updates in the morning?
2014-10-24 22:25 <justincc> no.  I may do some tonight though.
2014-10-24 22:25 <nebadon> ok
2014-10-24 22:25 <justincc> in fact, it would be good to update to get that minor command fix in, but I may have more yet
2014-10-24 22:25 <justincc> I will let you know
2014-10-24 22:25 <nebadon> ok cool thanks
2014-10-24 22:33 <ox64-p> hmm yeah playing with the library, manually adding files in the appropriate folders seems to work fine, but the part in the wiki does not appear to work:  "In addition, in each directory you can put a file named "addassets.lis". You can list assets that are already in your grid's asset store here to be added to the library at the folder corresponding to the directory of each addassets.lis file. "
2014-10-24 22:34 <ox64-p> im guessing that's because the grid/regions never look at the db and always generate the library from the local inventory stored on disk?
2014-10-24 22:34 <justincc> ok, that's not part of opensim itself and must be specific to the script
2014-10-24 22:35 <justincc> yes.  I thikn the approach of generating the library from the files is wrong but that's how it works at the moment
2014-10-24 22:35 <ox64-p> well what it does is create the xml for me
2014-10-24 22:35 <ox64-p> but the problem is, it does not generate the assets locally on the disk in the assets folder
2014-10-24 22:35 <ox64-p> i assume that's where things go wrong
2014-10-24 22:36 <justincc> you're running in grid mode?
2014-10-24 22:36 <ox64-p> yes
2014-10-24 22:36 <justincc> oh boy, this is a total mess
2014-10-24 22:37 <justincc> yes, the assets actually have to be loaded in the grid service, though the library inventory is specified on each simulator
2014-10-24 22:40 <ox64-p> i could write code to pull the inventory i wanted from the db and save it into file format under assets directory, but not sure how well, or if it woul deven work at all
2014-10-25 00:27 <BlueWall> justincc, it is possible to have the library in a specified area defined in the ini.
2014-10-25 00:27 <BlueWall> But, yes it does need to be there at the simulator.
2014-10-25 00:28 <justincc> what do you mean?
2014-10-25 00:28 <justincc> instead of in the xml file?
2014-10-25 00:29 <BlueWall> You still need the xml file with the changes. That can be in a specified directory. 
2014-10-25 00:29 <justincc> I think having it in each sim is a massive pita.  It should be possible to set the llibrary in the service and not have to make sure everything is identical in each simulator
2014-10-25 00:29 <justincc> but then this stuff doesn't play well with hypergrid anyway
2014-10-25 00:29 <BlueWall> Yse
2014-10-25 00:30 <BlueWall> there is a "default" loader whic is set to the "file loader", which is the only one ...
2014-10-25 00:30 <justincc> I think it's already possible to specify different directories in the ini file
2014-10-25 00:30 <BlueWall> I guess a "web loader", etc. would be possible.
2014-10-25 00:30 <BlueWall> yes
2014-10-25 00:31 <dahlia> library?
2014-10-25 00:31 <BlueWall> the default assets
2014-10-25 00:31 <dahlia> oh
2014-10-25 00:31 <BlueWall> I never understood, though, why it is that way.
2014-10-25 00:31 <dahlia> which way? that folder?
2014-10-25 00:32 <BlueWall> the ./bin/assets and ./bin/inventory
2014-10-25 00:32 <BlueWall> you can add your own items to those ...
2014-10-25 00:33 <BlueWall> also you can place them in a location outside of ./bin
2014-10-25 00:33 <dahlia> oh didnt know about bin/inventory
2014-10-25 00:34 <dahlia> lol I never noticed that folder after all these years
2014-10-25 00:34 <BlueWall> Hahah, I figured you put things in there
2014-10-25 00:35 <BlueWall> [LibraryService]
2014-10-25 00:35 <BlueWall> LocalServiceModule = OpenSim.Services.InventoryService.dll:LibraryService
2014-10-25 00:35 <BlueWall> LibraryName = OpenSim Library
2014-10-25 00:35 <BlueWall> DefaultLibrary = /var/lib/opensim/inventory/MyLibraries.xml
2014-10-25 00:35 <dahlia> never messed with inventory stuff
2014-10-25 00:36 <BlueWall> I loaded a bunch of textures into mine
2014-10-25 00:36 <dahlia> but is that only when an avie is created?
2014-10-25 00:37 <BlueWall> I don't think there are any avatar components in there
2014-10-25 00:37 <dahlia> no I mean when you create an account it would copy that stuff in
2014-10-25 00:37 <nebadon> wouldnt it make more sense to do what Simian does
2014-10-25 00:37 <BlueWall> They get created in the avatar's own inventory
2014-10-25 00:37 <nebadon> and make it so you can set a user UUID
2014-10-25 00:37 <nebadon> and that users inventory becomes the grid wide default inventory
2014-10-25 00:38 <nebadon> why mess with that shitty xml
2014-10-25 00:38 <nebadon> god it gives me shivers just thinking about that xml file
2014-10-25 00:38 <dahlia> probably for standalones
2014-10-25 00:38 <BlueWall> I guess it is to load them up on an initial installation.
2014-10-25 00:38 <BlueWall> In SL, Alexandria Linden owns the default library :)
2014-10-25 00:38 <nebadon> yea it should be a user
2014-10-25 00:38 <nebadon> not some file that no one understands
2014-10-25 00:39 <BlueWall> hehe
2014-10-25 00:39 <dahlia> alexandria? lol
2014-10-25 00:39 <BlueWall> well, it is probably a good way to initially load it.
2014-10-25 00:39 <BlueWall> yes
2014-10-25 00:39 <BlueWall> the library of Alexandria
2014-10-25 00:39 <BlueWall> lol
2014-10-25 00:40 <dahlia> didnt that get destroyed in some religious crusade like thing?
2014-10-25 00:40 <nebadon> if it was a user we could offer various starter iars
2014-10-25 00:40 <BlueWall> I think an earthquake
2014-10-25 00:40 <BlueWall> ++
2014-10-25 00:40 <dahlia> changing it now would probably be a can of worms
2014-10-25 00:40 <BlueWall> lol, those are xml too 0.0
2014-10-25 00:41 <BlueWall> but, yep
2014-10-25 00:41 <nebadon> well we could leave what is there in place
2014-10-25 00:41 <dahlia> xml worms? what did worms do to deserve such mistreatment?
2014-10-25 00:41 <nebadon> then have the option to switch to a user account
2014-10-25 00:41 <BlueWall> Because, it would be easy to login as that user and add things to the library
2014-10-25 00:41 <nebadon> or even have several levels
2014-10-25 00:41 <nebadon> users with level 1 = user A
2014-10-25 00:41 <nebadon> user iwth level 2 = User B
2014-10-25 00:42 <nebadon> etc.. and so on
2014-10-25 00:42 <dahlia> or just let grid gods have mod access to it
2014-10-25 00:42 <dahlia> admin user
2014-10-25 00:42 <dahlia> and nobody owns it
2014-10-25 00:42 <nebadon> imagine adding 500 items to XML
2014-10-25 00:42 <nebadon> lol
2014-10-25 00:43 <nebadon> good luck with that
2014-10-25 00:43 <dahlia> its probably all xml in the database 
2014-10-25 00:43 <nebadon> sure but let the viewer do the hard work
2014-10-25 00:43 <dahlia> irs probably all opensim doing the work
2014-10-25 00:43 <dahlia> *its
2014-10-25 00:44 <nebadon> i mean instead of hand editing an xml file in notepad vs using the viewer to move inventory items around into folders
2014-10-25 00:44 <BlueWall> I wish we could control the inventory requests more. Maybe we can, but dunno
2014-10-25 00:44 <BlueWall> nebadon, there is a pair of script on the wiki to do it.
2014-10-25 00:44 <dahlia> the whole inventory thing is a disaster
2014-10-25 00:44 <dahlia> all of it
2014-10-25 00:44 <nebadon> its still not as easy as using the viewer
2014-10-25 00:45 <BlueWall> I would like to have an "Attic" folder for every user that could be used to stuff things, then that folder wouldn't be descended into.
2014-10-25 00:45 <nebadon> multiple people can access it
2014-10-25 00:45 <nebadon> without need SSH access
2014-10-25 00:46 <nebadon> or just make it 1 folder only
2014-10-25 00:46 <BlueWall> So that way nebadon could carry around 4K items in his inventory, as far as the sim could see when pusing it around
2014-10-25 00:46 <nebadon> so you can have work space
2014-10-25 00:46 <BlueWall> the other 900K could be in the attic
2014-10-25 00:46 <AllenKerensky> while we're wishing - a folder per group that all group members with perm can drag and drop to
2014-10-25 00:47 <BlueWall> That is a pretty good idea.
2014-10-25 00:47 <BlueWall> I think it would have to be wired into the viewer.
2014-10-25 00:47 <nebadon> maybe not
2014-10-25 00:48 <AllenKerensky> a contrib-to-grid folder that anyone could drag to - but only admins could "publish" from would be cool
2014-10-25 00:48 <dahlia> wiring it would probably appear cleaner from the user perspectice
2014-10-25 00:48 <dahlia> *perspective
2014-10-25 00:48 <nebadon> or how about this
2014-10-25 00:48 <nebadon> a folder everyone sees per region
2014-10-25 00:48 <BlueWall> Seems that the viewer asks for the skeleton, then iterates down throgh that
2014-10-25 00:48 <AllenKerensky> per region folder sounds awesome too
2014-10-25 00:49 <BlueWall> ++
2014-10-25 00:49 <dahlia> I'd like region-specific inventory that could be manipulated by scripts
2014-10-25 00:49 <dahlia> for games
2014-10-25 00:49 <BlueWall> yes
2014-10-25 00:49 <BlueWall> you only have it in that region
2014-10-25 00:49 <nebadon> right
2014-10-25 00:49 <nebadon> that seems more useful than grid wide
2014-10-25 00:49 <AllenKerensky> and the skeleton at login is correct, but it then has calls in viewer to add/remove from during inventory operations
2014-10-25 00:49 <AllenKerensky> well grid = estate
2014-10-25 00:50 <AllenKerensky> i.e. a bunch of linked regions
2014-10-25 00:50 <BlueWall> I guess a shim could add group folders in at login time
2014-10-25 00:50 <AllenKerensky> estates are a weird hole in most design areas
2014-10-25 00:50 <BlueWall> I'm not sure if it would stick though
2014-10-25 00:51 <dahlia> that way a script could put 85 magic crystals and 31 globs of gook in a special folder that would only exist while playing the game
2014-10-25 00:51 <AllenKerensky> may be a way to pervert/reuse the SL Marketplace folders
2014-10-25 00:51 <dahlia> and people couldnt cheat by doing a iar
2014-10-25 00:52 <BlueWall> I don't understand why we don't see more OpenSim specific things in viewers since the loginuri was removed from the viewer
2014-10-25 00:52 <AllenKerensky> however opensim currently registers an IAR load to the logged in inventory tree could be used for many other standard folder types
2014-10-25 00:53 <dahlia> well now if I want a game-specific inventory I need to do it with a hud or something
2014-10-25 00:53 <dahlia> which works
2014-10-25 00:53 <dahlia> but lot of scripting to do
2014-10-25 01:06 <ox64-p> dangit i mised the conversation
2014-10-25 01:06 <ox64-p> but yeah...
2014-10-25 01:07 <ox64-p> <nebadon> and make it so you can set a user UUID
2014-10-25 01:07 <ox64-p> <nebadon> and that users inventory becomes the grid wide default inventory  <-- that would be awesome 
2014-10-25 01:10 <BlueWall> in [AssetService] ... DefaultAssetLoader = OpenSim.Framework.AssetLoader.Filesystem.dll
2014-10-25 01:11 <ox64-p> ohh cool, i was wondering where all that was at in the code
2014-10-25 01:12 <BlueWall> AssetLoaderArgs = "assets/AssetSets.xml"
2014-10-25 01:12 <BlueWall> you can change that to any place in the filesystem.
2014-10-25 01:13 <justincc> hey nebadon
2014-10-25 01:16 <nebadon> hey justincc
2014-10-25 01:16 <ox64-p> but yeah, i was trying to go the xml route, and it's a complete pain
2014-10-25 01:16 <justincc> nebadon: could you do me an update onn keynotes real quick?  I'd like to check I haven't screwed things up
2014-10-25 01:16 <ox64-p> never got it working either
2014-10-25 01:17 <justincc> it does work,. as you can see from all the existing inventory stuff
2014-10-25 01:17 <justincc> if you've ever seen java app server xml files these are baby talk in comparison :)
2014-10-25 01:17 <nebadon> ok give me a moment my laptop is rebooting
2014-10-25 01:17 <AllenKerensky> heheh yeah
2014-10-25 01:17 <BlueWall> ++justincc
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2014-10-25 01:18 <ox64-p> it works if i have the inventory saved in the assets folder, yes..but not the way i wanted it to work.  all the inventory im trying to reference is in the mysql DB already...pretty much under a spare avatar acct, not in the assets folder
2014-10-25 01:19 <justincc> if it's there it's also in assets already
2014-10-25 01:19 <justincc> all the items for that user have to be backed by assets
2014-10-25 01:19 <ox64-p> correct, i can see the inventory in the assets table
2014-10-25 01:19 <justincc> ok, so if you can get the existing asset uuids you can set up inventory files that reference though, though this strikes me as a fragile way of doing it
2014-10-25 01:19 <ox64-p> but for whatever reason it will not load them into the library
2014-10-25 01:19 <justincc> that should work
2014-10-25 01:20 <ox64-p> i know its' something im doing wrong, but ive ran out of ideas on what specifically it might be, spent two weeks on it
2014-10-25 01:20 <BlueWall> ox64-p are you looking in the system inventory folders for them?
2014-10-25 01:20 <justincc> on the simulator, what do you see if you do the "show asset <uuid>" command?
2014-10-25 01:22 <justincc> also, have you tried clearing viewer cache?  If we're unlucky, then there might be an interplay between inventory folder caching and library changes....
2014-10-25 01:22 <justincc> though I would have thought not if you do see new folders appearing
2014-10-25 01:23 <justincc> mmm, and viewer side cache clear doesn't always clear inventory caching though
2014-10-25 01:24 <ox64-p> BlueWall: good question, let me check
2014-10-25 01:25 <BlueWall> ox64-p, also, did you see this page: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Custom_Libraries
2014-10-25 01:25 <ox64-p> if i do an asset ID that i know exists, it returns all the info
2014-10-25 01:25 <ox64-p> about it
2014-10-25 01:26 <justincc> ok, so it's odd that your library stuff can't see that
2014-10-25 01:26 <nebadon> ok justincc keynotes are updated and restarted
2014-10-25 01:26 <nebadon> i cant log in at the moment, this machine is conmpressing a video cpu is pinned, and laptop is doing updates
2014-10-25 01:27 <ox64-p> BlueWall: yes, I wrote a program to read the inventory from my spare avatar to gather the asset ids and relevant information needed to put into the addassets.lis that the python script (updatelibrary.py) uses to create the xmls
2014-10-25 01:27 <BlueWall> ok
2014-10-25 01:27 <ox64-p> so everything in the XML that gets created i could confirm does exist in the DB
2014-10-25 01:28 <BlueWall> but, are they referenced by items/folders in your system inventory folders
2014-10-25 01:28 <ox64-p> hmm, im not sure i understand
2014-10-25 01:29 <BlueWall> seems that you have extended ./bin/assets
2014-10-25 01:29 <BlueWall> and you have the assets references in the xml file there
2014-10-25 01:30 <ox64-p> well that's the weird thing, the python script never creates any XML under the assets folder
2014-10-25 01:30 <BlueWall> so, if you look in the xml file ./bin/inventory, you should refernce those assets in that file
2014-10-25 01:30 <ox64-p> i tried to manually create an entry under that
2014-10-25 01:31 <ox64-p> i probably did it wrong then
2014-10-25 01:31 <ox64-p> so whether or not it's already in the sql db, it still needs the entries in the XML under the assets folder, correct?
2014-10-25 01:31 <ox64-p> but i dont have to have the physical script, texture, etc there with it as well?
2014-10-25 01:32 <BlueWall> I guess that is ok if you know all the asset uuid, etc. to place in the inventory 
2014-10-25 01:32 <BlueWall> all the things you see in those system folders are in the ./bin/assets and ./bin/inventory folders
2014-10-25 01:35 <BlueWall> you can look in the ./bin/inventory folder and see the structure, with xml files defining the inventory items and folders for the system folders.
2014-10-25 01:36 <ox64-p> yeah, it was pretty easy to follow
2014-10-25 01:37 <BlueWall> ok, if you modify that structure and include the xml files, your default inventory items should show up in the system folders.
2014-10-25 01:37 <ox64-p> i can create the inventory under the system folder IF, it's an asset that's physically in the assets folder and referenced with the correct file name.  but anything that's stored in the DB already would not load
2014-10-25 01:39 <justincc> ok, I desparately need to eat and sleep.  Goodnight folks
2014-10-25 01:44 <BlueWall> nebadon, dahlia : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Custom_Libraries#Caution
2014-10-25 01:45 <BlueWall> Library data is currently pulled from the region itself rather than the inventory service So in grid mode, library inventory xml files must exist not only on the Robust server, but also on each and every individual region OpenSimulator server.
2014-10-25 01:45 <BlueWall> This needs to change in the future so that library data is loaded directly into the inventory service from the robust server ...
2014-10-25 01:55 <nebadon> hmm ya
2014-10-25 01:55 <nebadon> the way Simian Grid works is great
2014-10-25 01:55 <nebadon> i wish that is how opensim worked
2014-10-25 01:57 <ox64-p> me too
2014-10-25 01:57 <ox64-p> lol
2014-10-25 02:11 <smxy> If I rez a prim, what table should that appear in? I want to see it show up in my Master DB and then see that it shows up in my Slave DB.
2014-10-25 02:12 <smxy> prims?
2014-10-25 02:12 <smxy> and maybe primshapes, too?
2014-10-25 02:16 <smxy> Yes, to both. Sweet. I've never had a Slave DB before.
2014-10-25 02:34 <ox64-p> oh, is it hard to set up a master/slave db?
2014-10-25 02:37 <smxy> No, it wasn't actually. I'm using MariaDB (though this would have worked for MySQL, too), and used Percona Xtra-Backup and a 6-step recipe from them on how to do it. It wasn't hard at all.
2014-10-25 02:38 <ox64-p> oh cool
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2014-10-25 15:00 <nebadon> OSCC14 Needs Qualified Stream Team Volunteers to stream live events to Ustream, if your interested please register! http://conference.opensimulator.org/2014/sponsors/call-for-sponsors/ if you have any questions you can contact me directly here too, thanks, and please spread the word!!!
2014-10-25 16:18 <smxy> "you're" :)
2014-10-25 16:21 <ox64-p> :)
2014-10-25 16:29 <nebadon> lol
2014-10-25 16:29 <nebadon> i dont have time for grammer aint nobody got time for dat!
2014-10-25 16:29 <nebadon> haha
2014-10-25 16:34 <AllenKerensky> so... esperanto?
2014-10-25 16:40 <nebadon> lol
2014-10-25 16:51 <lkalif> nebadon: do you know about the conference stuff
2014-10-25 16:58 <lkalif> nvm, I thinik I figured it out
2014-10-25 17:14 <nebadon> hey sorry lkalif crazy morning, everything good?
2014-10-25 17:15 <lkalif> yeah justin told me I need to re´gister and ask for a conference grid avatar even though I already have one from the last year
2014-10-25 17:15 <nebadon> oh hrmm
2014-10-25 17:15 <nebadon> your account from last year should work
2014-10-25 17:15 <lkalif> but apparantly ít gets some other cogs moving in their system
2014-10-25 17:16 <nebadon> ok 1 sec let me look at something
2014-10-25 17:16 <nebadon> have you tried this lkalif
2014-10-25 17:16 <nebadon> http://cc.opensimulator.org:8005/wifi/forgotpassword?
2014-10-25 17:17 <nebadon> your account from last year should still exist and be useable
2014-10-25 17:17 <lkalif> nebadon: my account works fine. but I had to request one just to get regesutred in some conference system avacon uses
2014-10-25 17:19 <nebadon> ok
2014-10-25 17:19 <nebadon> let me know if you have trouble getting it resolved
2014-10-25 17:19 <lkalif> I will. Thanks.
2014-10-25 19:10 <AliciaRaven2> any one else started to see this error when some one opens the map..
2014-10-25 19:10 <AliciaRaven2> [LLUDPSERVER]: Client packet handler for Avatar Name for packet MapItemRequest threw 
2014-10-25 19:10 <AliciaRaven2> System.FormatException: Input string was not in the correct format
2014-10-25 19:22 <nebadon> ok just to fill folks in here to the problem on OSCC today
2014-10-25 19:22 <nebadon> it turns out unlike TCP port in OpenSim.ini which you can not use more than once
2014-10-25 19:22 <nebadon> it appears that the UDP port in Regions.ini can be used in multiple regions on same box
2014-10-25 19:22 <nebadon> and the region starts without complaining
2014-10-25 19:22 <nebadon> however things break severely and quite bizzarely
2014-10-25 19:23 <nebadon> turns out i had 4 regions sharing similar UDP port
2014-10-25 19:23 <nebadon> 2 regions shared and other 2 regions shared
2014-10-25 19:23 <nebadon> and things went haywire, so be careful folks
2014-10-25 19:23 <nebadon> this problem likely may only effect mono instances
2014-10-25 19:23 <nebadon> were not quite sure, I hope in the future we can resolve this issue, this may be the cause of other avatar problems
2014-10-25 19:24 <nebadon> its very possible that opensim and mono are reusing UDP ports for multiple things
2014-10-25 19:24 <nebadon> and causing major breakage
2014-10-25 19:24 <nebadon> when it comes to the region talking to the viewer that is
2014-10-25 19:24 <nebadon> not the ports we assign but ports that are randomly selected
2014-10-25 19:24 <nebadon> making the problem seem well very random
2014-10-25 19:25 <Ubit> hmm what udp ports are randomly selected ?
2014-10-25 19:25 <nebadon> comms between viewer and region
2014-10-25 19:25 <nebadon> there is a huge range of udp ports that can be used
2014-10-25 19:25 <Ubit> not sure those are random
2014-10-25 19:26 <nebadon> http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Technical/SL-router-ports/qaq-p/930063
2014-10-25 19:26 <nebadon> 12000-29999	UDP	Voice/RTP traffic/Core protocol communication ** (see note below)
2014-10-25 19:27 <nebadon> these
2014-10-25 19:27 <nebadon> it may not be totally random, but its a wide range
2014-10-25 19:27 <nebadon> and it appears mono allows ports to be shared between 2 different connections by default
2014-10-25 19:27 <Ubit> yeap range can be large..  but htink all attached to a service/region
2014-10-25 19:27 <nebadon> it appears to either be a bad design choice on monos part or they have a bug
2014-10-25 19:27 <nebadon> we dont know
2014-10-25 19:28 <nebadon> however i think Justin said there is something we can do in opensim to prevent it
2014-10-25 19:28 <nebadon> not 100% sure the solution at this point
2014-10-25 19:28 <nebadon> all i can say is what we found, purely by accident we found it
2014-10-25 19:28 <nebadon> i made a mistake when reusing ini files
2014-10-25 19:29 <nebadon> and my mistake as possibly unearthed a major problem with mono
2014-10-25 19:29 <Ubit> its a natural mistake
2014-10-25 19:29 <nebadon> things went completley haywire
2014-10-25 19:29 <Ubit> hmm let me see win
2014-10-25 19:29 <nebadon> ya that would be good to test on windows
2014-10-25 19:29 <nebadon> i cant do that easily
2014-10-25 19:29 <AliciaRaven2> what mono version?
2014-10-25 19:29 <nebadon> but we suspect it might just outright fail on windows
2014-10-25 19:29 <nebadon> 3.2.8
2014-10-25 19:30 <AliciaRaven2> im pretty sure i have made that mistake but opensim caught it with exceptions
2014-10-25 19:30 <nebadon> apparantly in mono
2014-10-25 19:30 <nebadon> there is a compile time switch to disable this 
2014-10-25 19:30 <nebadon> so udp cant reuse
2014-10-25 19:30 <nebadon> unfortunately telling people to recompile mono is not a good solution
2014-10-25 19:30 <nebadon> many people use repo versions
2014-10-25 19:30 <nebadon> it may even require changes to source code
2014-10-25 19:31 <nebadon> it might not be compile time
2014-10-25 19:32 <Ubit> yeap win flames on m_udpSocket.Bind
2014-10-25 19:32 <Ubit> and refuses to share the port
2014-10-25 19:32 <nebadon> ok thank you for testing
2014-10-25 19:32 <nebadon> good data
2014-10-25 19:32 <nebadon> i will pass that alon
2014-10-25 19:32 <nebadon> g*
2014-10-25 19:39 <Ubit> hmm mb a SocketOption 
2014-10-25 19:41 <ox64-p> interesting
2014-10-25 19:57 <dahlia> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14388706/socket-options-so-reuseaddr-and-so-reuseport-how-do-they-differ-do-they-mean-t
2014-10-25 19:58 <dahlia> probably a bad idea to share a UDP port between multiple instances. They would each have a *lot* of confusing packets coming in
2014-10-25 19:59 <Ubit> windows does refuse to bind with current code, apparently mono doesn't
2014-10-25 19:59 <dahlia> sounds like a mono bug
2014-10-25 19:59 <Ubit> yeap   one should explicity ask for resuseport
2014-10-25 20:00 <dahlia> it *should* refuse to bind unless SO_REUSEPORT was specified
2014-10-25 20:01 <nebadon> ya i thought Justin said that maybe that is on by default with mono
2014-10-25 20:01 <nebadon> and that he could switch it off
2014-10-25 20:02 <nebadon> but that meant modifying mono
2014-10-25 20:02 <dahlia> it should fail unless explicitly specified when the socket is opened by all processes
2014-10-25 20:02 <Ubit> or try to set the option to false on the socket before bind
2014-10-25 20:03 <Ubit> that may work just at opensim code level
2014-10-25 20:03 <dahlia> ya it may be in the mono framework
2014-10-25 20:03 <dahlia> I hate network abstractions :/
2014-10-25 20:04 <dahlia> PITA to deal with
2014-10-25 20:08 <Ubit> errr windows only had resuseaddr
2014-10-25 20:10 <Ubit> oly has...  so some mono only code trick needed
2014-10-25 20:11 <nebadon> thats what justin said 
2014-10-25 20:11 <nebadon> he seemed to think was possible
2014-10-25 20:11 <Ubit> yeap they are diferent.. the windows seems to mean both linux reuses on
2014-10-25 20:15 <dahlia> hmmm ya I just set 2 regions to the same udp port and its not pretty trying to teleport. They do start up tho
2014-10-25 20:15 <nebadon> yea
2014-10-25 20:15 <dahlia> lol viewer crashed
2014-10-25 20:15 <nebadon> caused total chaos on OSCC
2014-10-25 20:15 <Ubit> hmm im failing to force win to do that lol
2014-10-25 20:15 <nebadon> i had 4 regions in fubar mode
2014-10-25 20:16 <dahlia> ya I can imagine it would wreak havoc in the opensim udp stack
2014-10-25 20:19 <dahlia> are people still load testing?
2014-10-25 20:19 <nebadon> its over now
2014-10-25 20:19 <nebadon> it went well despite taht hiccup
2014-10-25 20:20 <nebadon> which mostly effected regions outside the load test
2014-10-25 20:20 <nebadon> it went fantastic though we have another shceduled for next weekend
2014-10-25 20:20 <nebadon> and the Tuesdays as normal
2014-10-25 20:20 <nebadon> so 3 more load tests
2014-10-25 20:20 <nebadon> then its no turning back :)
2014-10-25 20:27 <Ubit> bathh silly me...  both instances need to the the reuse true on win
2014-10-25 20:34 <Ubit> lol
2014-10-25 20:34 <Ubit> m_udpSocket.SetSocketOption(SocketOptionLevel.Socket, SocketOptionName.ReuseAddress, true);    is something you really DO NOT want :)
2014-10-25 20:35 <Ubit> well singu just crashes
2014-10-25 20:37 <Ubit> can any one test  adding 
2014-10-25 20:37 <Ubit> m_udpSocket.SetSocketOption(SocketOptionLevel.Socket, SocketOptionName.ReuseAddress, false); ?
2014-10-25 20:37 <Ubit> mb its good enough ?
2014-10-25 20:53 <ox64-p> a really dumb question:  are the optional modules under OpenSim.Region.OptionalModules disabled by default?
2014-10-25 20:53 <ox64-p> or maybe better question ...the individual modules not loaded unless specified
2014-10-25 21:07 <ox64-p> oh nevermind i wasn't debugging it correctly
2014-10-25 21:15 <Ubit> you enable them on the configuration files
2014-10-25 21:20 <ox64-p> yeah i had a stupid moment with the debugger lol
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2014-10-26 01:23 <Guest59038> hi, where should i place the files of remoteAdmin, public_html ?
2014-10-26 01:23 <Guest59038> https://code.google.com/p/opensimtools/wiki/RemoteAdminPHPClass
2014-10-26 02:52 <Guest59038>  hi, where should i place the files of remoteAdmin, public_html ? [01:23] <Guest59038> https://code.google.com/p/opensimtools/wiki/RemoteAdminPHPClass
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2014-10-26 05:33 <sa_> Hi there
2014-10-26 05:33 <sa_> someone know how to use remoteAdmin ?
2014-10-26 13:53 <me> hello, someone know how to use remoteadmin ?
2014-10-26 16:31 <osmantis> Bug #7361:04 OAR save and load does not preserve telehub details for region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7361 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-10-26 16:34 <osmantis> Bug #7354:04 In VAR region, Avatar sitting on child prim does not follow child prim rotation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7354 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-26 16:56 <osmantis> Bug #7354:04 In VAR region, Avatar sitting on child prim does not follow child prim rotation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7354 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-26 17:05 <osmantis> Bug #7354:04 In VAR region, Avatar sitting on child prim does not follow child prim rotation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7354 ): has been CONFIRMED.
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2014-10-27 20:13 <Guest65855> someone know what mean :  in <filename unknown>:0    at System.Convert.ToInt32 (System.String value) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0    at OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.World.Region.RestartModule.HandleRegionRestart (System.String module, System.String[] args) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0    at OpenSim.Framework.Console.Commands.Resolve (System.String[] cmd) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0    at OpenSim.Framework.Conso
2014-10-27 20:13 <Guest65855> _
2014-10-27 20:13 <Guest65855>  in <filename unknown>:0    at System.Convert.ToInt32 (System.String value) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0    at OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.World.Region.RestartModule.HandleRegionRestart (System.String module, System.String[] args) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0    at OpenSim.Framework.Console.Commands.Resolve (System.String[] cmd) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0    at OpenSim.Framework.Console.LocalConsole.ReadLine 
2014-10-27 20:14 <Guest65855> how to solve this error anyone know ?
2014-10-27 20:14 <Guest65855> 16:13:30 - Command error: System.FormatException: Input string was not in the correct format   at System.Int32.Parse (System.String s) [0x00000]: in <filename unknown>:0    at System.Convert.ToInt32 (System.String value) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0    at OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.World.Region.RestartModule.HandleRegionRestart (System.String module, System.String[] args) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0    at OpenSim.
2014-10-27 20:15 <MarcusL> Guest65855, this is just a guess, but it looks like you may need to adjust localization for your system. OpenSim doesn't play well with anything other than US ones.
2014-10-27 20:16 <MarcusL> In the future, two things. This channel is for OpenSim development, not support. #opensim is the better channel for questions. :) Also, try using something like pastebin and giving people a link rather than dumping large chunks of text into the channel.
2014-10-27 20:17 <Guest65855> oki 
2014-10-27 20:17 <Guest65855> any idea how to solve it, it happen when i use command restart 
2014-10-27 20:19 <MarcusL> It's not an issue I've personally experienced, so I don't have an answer abut localization. The answer also depends on whether you're using Windows or Linux, and if Linux, which distribution. You may wish to consult the documentation for your operating system.
2014-10-27 20:24 <Guest65855> ok thanks i found the problem i guess
2014-10-27 21:16 <Velus-Universe> hello all can i ask a question what is the best size for a grid server, a server with just the grid on no regions no database nothing but the grid its self
2014-10-27 21:34 <nebadon> guess i depends on how big your grid is
2014-10-27 21:35 <nebadon> a fairly modern 4 or 8 core server with 16-32gb ram would work nicely
2014-10-27 21:35 <nebadon> but that might be overkill if your only talking about a few users and regions
2014-10-27 21:36 <nebadon> osgrid runs on a 8 core machine with 24gb ram i beleieve
2014-10-27 21:36 <nebadon> http://www.osgrid.org/index.php/donationusage
2014-10-27 21:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #3862 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-10-27 21:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3862: SUCCESS in 8 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3862/
2014-10-27 21:47 <osjenkins> bluewall: Add hypergrid teleporting support to user profiles picks
2014-10-27 22:15 <smxy> BlueWall: Sweet. Thanks! :)
2014-10-27 22:17 <smxy> No config changes needed?
2014-10-27 23:08 <Velus-Universe> hey if i was setting up a system for a grid and regioin servers for a world would the client viewer access the region directly or is all communications done through the grid server its self, bascially would i need the region server to be internet accessible or could i have it in a private network with the grifd server and have the grid server internet accessible
2014-10-27 23:11 <justincc> viewer accesses the region directly
2014-10-27 23:14 <Velus-Universe> ok so they will need to be internet accessible? i thought it would all go through the grid server its self like the viewer contacts the grid server the grid server then contacts the region then goes back to viewer?
2014-10-27 23:15 <MarcusL> Typically you only expose what you need to to the public. If you look in Robust.ini, any service that defaults to using port 8002 needs to be publicly accessible. Everything else only needs to be accessed by simulators. And like justincc just said, simulators need to be publicly reachable.
2014-10-27 23:17 <Velus-Universe> ok
2014-10-27 23:24 <dahlia> Velus-Universe: you could do some tunneling tricks to make it all accessable via the grid server but performance would probably suffer.
2014-10-27 23:24 <dahlia> and it would be a pain to maintain
2014-10-27 23:24 <Velus-Universe> ok
2014-10-27 23:25 <dahlia> or you could probably make your grid server also be a nat router
2014-10-27 23:25 <Velus-Universe> but the db can be on a vpn with all the servers and not be publicly accessible, 
2014-10-27 23:26 <dahlia> yes but its probably better to have the databases on the same machines which access them
2014-10-27 23:26 <dahlia> like grid database on the grid server machine, region databases on the region machines
2014-10-27 23:27 <Velus-Universe> i am in talks with ac ompany and they will be providing me with a virtual data center so i would have a set of internal ips like 192.168.1.0/25 and a set of external ips like 10.10.10.0/25 for my own personal use, im having the database on a sepreate server so its easier
2014-10-27 23:27 <dahlia> easier but slower
2014-10-27 23:28 <dahlia> well probably not much slower if its in the same datacenter
2014-10-27 23:29 <Velus-Universe> yes it will be in the same data center the whole lot will be in the same data center, 
2014-10-27 23:30 <Velus-Universe> if im correct in rembering it will be all like, a few server racks will be only for my use with the fireall (physical and in the os) my own router system and such 
2014-10-27 23:30 <dahlia> ya I'm not sre if our queries work well over a lan or not. Sometimes network queries can be very slow
2014-10-27 23:30 <BlueWall> smxy, no
2014-10-27 23:30 <dahlia> like if you do a lot of joins and part of them are processed on the client
2014-10-27 23:31 <Velus-Universe> depends on the data conections internal conections will be at 1gbs and the internet ports speed is werll the samne aswell
2014-10-27 23:32 <LiruCookies> Velus-Universe: 10 is internal
2014-10-27 23:32 <Velus-Universe> depends on the port conection, they will be using fiber ports
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2014-10-28 01:43 <justincc> hey nebadon, if you get a chance could you update conference grid to current ghosts soon?  I would like to get early warning if anything is grossly wrong (which it shoudln't be)
2014-10-28 01:44 <nebadon> ok
2014-10-28 01:44 <nebadon> 1 sec
2014-10-28 01:47 <nebadon> justincc keynotes are restarted
2014-10-28 01:48 <nebadon> staff zone is still restarting
2014-10-28 01:48 <justincc> thanks
2014-10-28 01:50 <justincc> nebadon: do you know if it's possible to have more than one wearable of a certain type, like two tattoos, for instance?
2014-10-28 01:53 <nebadon> i believe you can yes
2014-10-28 01:53 <nebadon> no idea if there is a layer limit but you can stack
2014-10-28 01:53 <nebadon> and I think it works in opensim, to be honest ive never used it
2014-10-28 01:54 <nebadon> i do recall doing it accidently a few times though
2014-10-28 01:54 <justincc> ok, thanks
2014-10-28 01:54 <justincc> alright, I need to rest.  See you tomorrow
2014-10-28 12:49 <smxy> http://www.gizmag.com/dexta-robotics-dexmo-hand-exoskeleton/34410/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=1081e1bd61-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_65b67362bd-1081e1bd61-91409805
2014-10-28 15:13 <Plugh> when using the prim limits module in addition to the default perms modules, does it matter what order they are listed in?
2014-10-28 15:14 <nebadon> i dont think so Plugh it shouldnt
2014-10-28 15:14 <Plugh> ok. Had a parcel with prim limit of 312 and someone had 357 prims in the parcel.
2014-10-28 16:30 <Plugh> Prim limits for a parcel aren't enforced. I've taken a quick read of the code. It looks like the prim limit is for the region and not on a parcel basis.
2014-10-28 16:31 <Plugh> I need a limit on a parcel basis.
2014-10-28 16:34 <Plugh> I think I'm right. Checking the origin of a function I see it is calling GetSimulatorMaxPrimCount instead of GetParcelMaxPrimCount.
2014-10-28 16:38 <AliciaRaven> Plugh, it does work on parcel basis, i have checked it in the past, does the user have other parcels on the sim?
2014-10-28 16:38 <Plugh> no
2014-10-28 16:38 <AliciaRaven> parcel god power?
2014-10-28 16:38 <Plugh> I used a sandbox and made a 20mx20m region. It has a prim limit of 30 and I rezzed and also duplicated an object with 112 prims.
2014-10-28 16:39 <Plugh> No. Checked that already.
2014-10-28 16:39 <AliciaRaven> well u can rez because u own the outside area also
2014-10-28 16:39 <Plugh> No, I used an alt.
2014-10-28 16:39 <AliciaRaven> ah
2014-10-28 16:40 <Plugh> My main avatar has god perms in the region I was testing in so I had to use the alt to have the perms of a regular user.
2014-10-28 16:40 <Plugh> The parcel was split from the region but not sold to the alt.
2014-10-28 16:40 <AliciaRaven> i tried it with a 4x4 parcel, smallest i could make, and it wouldnt allow me to go over the parcel max
2014-10-28 16:41 <AliciaRaven> maybe it only works if they own the parcel, when i tested my alt was the owner of the parcel
2014-10-28 16:41 <Plugh> Doesn't seem to be working for me in a 20x20. 
2014-10-28 16:41 <Plugh> hm... that could be an interesting condition on the limit.
2014-10-28 16:42 <Plugh> I would think it shouldn't matter who owns it if you ask for limits to be enforced.
2014-10-28 16:42 <AliciaRaven> your ini entery looks like ...
2014-10-28 16:42 <AliciaRaven> [Permissions]
2014-10-28 16:42 <AliciaRaven> permissionmodules = DefaultPermissionsModule,PrimLimitsModule
2014-10-28 16:42 <AliciaRaven> yes?
2014-10-28 16:43 <Plugh> yup and I also tried it with the modules listed in the reverse order in case it made a difference.
2014-10-28 16:44 <AliciaRaven> strange, not sure then
2014-10-28 16:45 <Plugh> yea
2014-10-28 16:45 <Plugh> I'll have to toss in a number of additional Debug statements for the limits module so I can verify it is getting called and check what values it is getting at various points.
2014-10-28 16:54 <smxy> Question: Is there a test that I can make, from a shell script, running on a region server, to test if the robust services are up and running on the services server? I want to make sure services are up before I start the regions on the region server.
2014-10-28 16:56 <AllenKerensky> maybe something to each of the service ports using curl or wget - like a get_grid_info called
2014-10-28 16:58 <AllenKerensky> curl http://127.0.0.1:8002/get_grid_info
2014-10-28 16:59 <AllenKerensky> justincc's opensim init script uses a custom PID file for each
2014-10-28 16:59 <AllenKerensky> and then checks for PID files before starting the next step
2014-10-28 16:59 <AllenKerensky> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Startup_script_linux
2014-10-28 17:01 <smxy> I use a pid file for everything too, but it would be on a different server from the regions.
2014-10-28 17:01 <smxy> But the curl idea might work.
2014-10-28 17:03 <AllenKerensky> if you are looking to check service by service as defined by the service connectors in robust, then you would need to talk to melanie and diva on how to "query" each service connector
2014-10-28 17:03 <AllenKerensky> if you are just checking if robust is up - then a url check of the grid info can probably work well enough
2014-10-28 17:04 <smxy> No, I just don't want to have to worry about startup order for my servers. I figured I'd just have the region servers watch for the services to be running, before starting the regions. The curl idea will be fine I think.
2014-10-28 17:04 <smxy> Thanks
2014-10-28 17:05 <AllenKerensky> sure no problem
2014-10-28 18:54 <MarcusLlew> I just got dinged on staff zone 1. 
2014-10-28 19:02 <nebadon> load test time for anyone who is interesteed at > http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 Keynote 1
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2014-10-29 00:00 <justincc> nebadon: well, I finally fixed the bot appearance issue
2014-10-29 00:01 <justincc> nebadon: turns out to be a regression I inserted myself in the libomv library.  Bots were no longer able to download their wearables textures... sigh
2014-10-29 00:01 <justincc> at least I found it
2014-10-29 00:04 <justincc> nebadon: I also finally realized that sitting them on the ground in a region with a prim floor is dumb.  Will sit them via the simulator console command in the future
2014-10-29 01:22 <nebadon> shouldnt an estate manager be able to set parcel stuff, like media url and audio url?
2014-10-29 01:41 <BlueWall> Gods can
2014-10-29 01:42 <BlueWall> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Estate_Manager - the bottom part describes estate manager powers.
2014-10-29 01:43 <nebadon> ok
2014-10-29 01:43 <nebadon> i thought regular grid user with estate manager powers could
2014-10-29 01:44 <nebadon> i could probably do it through groups
2014-10-29 01:44 <nebadon> but that would also mean anyone in presenters group could change peoples media urls
2014-10-29 01:44 <nebadon> so i'll do estate manger is god in Opensim.ini
2014-10-29 01:44 <nebadon> that will limit their powers to just their own region
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2014-10-29 10:23 <osmantis> Bug #7361:04 OAR save and load does not preserve telehub details for region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7361 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-29 10:30 <osmantis> Bug #7130:04 Asset database growing with very many instances of terrainImage_uuid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7130 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-29 14:03 <osmantis> Bug #7361:04 OAR save and load does not preserve telehub details for region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7361 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-29 14:03 <osmantis> Bug #7361:04 OAR save and load does not preserve telehub details for region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7361 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-10-29 15:43 <ssm2017> hello
2014-10-29 15:44 <ssm2017> have you heard about a weird robust reaction using 0.8-post-fixes : some regions deregister suddenly (nothing announced in the sim console)
2014-10-29 15:54 <nebadon> ssm that sounds indicative of a region UUID being reused
2014-10-29 15:55 <nebadon> otherwise I have not heard about that nor experienced it myself
2014-10-29 15:55 <nebadon> do certain reginos exhibit this behavior or is it grid wide?
2014-10-29 15:56 <ssm2017> just 2 regions actually, i have compared values but i will check again the uuid
2014-10-29 15:57 <nebadon> ok that would be my guess that they are using the same uuid
2014-10-29 15:57 <ssm2017> ok, just checked : uuid is the same one :) (shame on me) thank you nebadon for attention
2014-10-29 15:57 <nebadon> no problem, glad to help
2014-10-29 15:57 <nebadon> ive done it many times myself
2014-10-29 17:49 <smxy> Now ... if only OARs saved and restored the WindLight and LightShare settings ...
2014-10-29 17:54 <nebadon> light share should be easy
2014-10-29 17:54 <nebadon> just leave a script that sets it when region starts
2014-10-29 18:18 <smxy> Yes. But the OAR should be saving both.
2014-10-29 18:19 <smxy> At least WindLight, as most will have moved to that now. But both, ideally.
2014-10-29 18:20 <smxy> brb
2014-10-29 19:40 <osmantis> Bug #7130:04 Asset database growing with very many instances of terrainImage_uuid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7130 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-29 21:53 <osmantis> Bug #7130:04 Asset database growing with very many instances of terrainImage_uuid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7130 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-29 23:04 <osmantis> Bug #7130:04 Asset database growing with very many instances of terrainImage_uuid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7130 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-29 23:14 <osmantis> Bug #7130:04 Asset database growing with very many instances of terrainImage_uuid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7130 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-29 23:16 <osmantis> Bug #7130:04 Asset database growing with very many instances of terrainImage_uuid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7130 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-30 00:19 <NickyP> justincc: the bug in libomv concerning open http connections. how long had the open connections been at 0?
2014-10-30 00:19 <justincc> NickyP: since june, the commit message says the exact point at which I introduced the problem
2014-10-30 00:19 <NickyP> ty
2014-10-30 00:20 <NickyP> will read closer next time
2014-10-30 00:20 <justincc> no worries
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2014-10-30 00:53 <dahlia> 
ACTION blames justincc

2014-10-30 01:20 <justincc> Oh! blame not the bard, if he fly to the bowers
2014-10-30 01:20 <justincc> Where pleasure lies, carelessly smiling at Fame
2014-10-30 03:08 <osmantis> Bug #7360:04 14 tables without primary key PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7360 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0004380.
2014-10-30 03:08 <osmantis> Bug #4380:04 Several MySQL tables have no index keys 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4380 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007360.
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2014-10-30 08:29 <osmantis> Bug #7363:04 Items in assetcache do not propagate to the asset server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7363 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-10-30 09:11 <osmantis> Bug #7130:04 Asset database growing with very many instances of terrainImage_uuid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7130 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-10-30 18:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #3863 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-10-30 18:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3863: SUCCESS in 9 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3863/
2014-10-30 18:58 <osjenkins> kevin: Use parcel prim limit (not region limit) when checking if area is full.
2014-10-30 18:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #3864 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-10-30 19:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3864: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3864/
2014-10-30 20:11 <nebadon> justincc another thing that might give us a little boost in resources
2014-10-30 20:11 <nebadon> i am disabling warp3D map tiler on all the regions
2014-10-30 20:12 <nebadon> im going to hard code map tiles i make myself
2014-10-30 20:12 <justincc> it wasn't runing periodically anyuway right?
2014-10-30 20:12 <nebadon> no but it does use memory on startup
2014-10-30 20:12 <justincc> god, really need to fix that... yet amnother thing...
2014-10-30 20:12 <justincc> yes
2014-10-30 20:12 <nebadon> and starts are much faster with hard code
2014-10-30 20:12 <justincc> a large chunk of which never gets released
2014-10-30 20:12 <justincc> not helped by some brain dead code generating map tiles twice
2014-10-30 20:13 <nebadon> but most of all the tiles im making look a lot nicer
2014-10-30 20:13 <nebadon> im using the viewer to take screenshots
2014-10-30 20:13 <nebadon> and enhancing them in photoshop a bit
2014-10-30 20:13 <nebadon> i did some already
2014-10-30 20:13 <nebadon> http://cc.opensimulator.org/map
2014-10-30 20:14 <nebadon> im doing tracks now
2014-10-30 20:14 <nebadon> expos i have to wait a bit until some more content shows up
2014-10-30 20:14 <justincc> wrote a short mono program illustratining this udp binding issue and goign to post to mono list to see what they say
2014-10-30 20:14 <nebadon> nice
2014-10-30 20:14 <nebadon> they love examples
2014-10-30 20:14 <justincc> yes, this si very simple to repro
2014-10-30 20:15 <justincc> but I'#m also going to set the options locally to stop it happening anyway
2014-10-30 20:15 <justincc> it's really confusing to fix when it happens
2014-10-30 20:17 <nebadon> im also simultaneously fixing all the texture cap entries as i go around
2014-10-30 20:18 <justincc> ironically, thsi udp port issue was also behind some unexpected issues with pCampbot that I spent ages tracking down
2014-10-30 20:18 <justincc> so will be updating openmetaverse.dll as well
2014-10-30 20:19 <nebadon> cool
2014-10-30 20:57 <justincc> nebadon: alright, that should prevent the problem we saw last Sat.  If one tries to start a region binding to a UDP port already in use, you'll just get an urgly error message instead
2014-10-30 20:57 <justincc> I will update openmetaverse libraries shortly for the pCampbot side of this, though I need to eat first
2014-10-30 21:02 <Ubit> assuming that on that mono that will set reuseport also false, as it should
2014-10-30 21:03 <justincc> this is set per socket instance afaik, though haven't tested that
2014-10-30 21:04 <Ubit> in not running linux now to test :(
2014-10-30 21:05 <Ubit> can tell that setting to that to true on windows does repo the issue :)
2014-10-30 21:05 <justincc> ok, thanks
2014-10-30 21:05 <Ubit> well do ask why i did that test :)
2014-10-30 21:05 <Ubit> don't.. ask :)
2014-10-30 21:05 <justincc> it's very mysteriuos when regions start misbehaving for no apparant reason if one accidentally sets them to listen to the same udp port
2014-10-30 21:05 <justincc> on different simulators
2014-10-30 21:06 <Ubit> yeap its a nasty thing
2014-10-30 21:06 <Ubit> but possible new on mono, bc im sure i did forgot to change ports coping config files :)
2014-10-30 21:06 <justincc> yeah, I haven't checked anything other than 3.2.8 yet
2014-10-30 21:07 <justincc> but even if it were just some mono, better simply to set explicitly
2014-10-30 21:09 <Ubit> yeap its peacefull on windows also...  question is if that false does work on mono also
2014-10-30 21:09 <Ubit> bc linux and windows are diferent on those options
2014-10-30 21:10 <Ubit> windows doesn't have reusePort ( or similar name )
2014-10-30 21:10 <justincc> ok, I need to eat.  Back later
2014-10-30 21:10 <justincc> 
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2014-10-30 22:12 <osjenkins> kevin: Revert my commit that fixed unexpected behaviour re: parcel prim limits.
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2014-10-31 14:16 <mheilman> Is there a way to execute console commands from inside of a region module?
2014-10-31 14:17 <mheilman> i.e. I want to call "alert <content>" before performing larger tasks
2014-10-31 14:18 <nebadon> hey mheilman!
2014-10-31 14:19 <nebadon> trying to think who may know the answer to that
2014-10-31 14:19 <nebadon> BlueWall or Misterblue might know
2014-10-31 14:19 <nebadon> im guessing that yes it should be possible
2014-10-31 14:19 <nebadon> Melanie_ may know too, not sure if she is around
2014-10-31 14:19 <nebadon> orenh would probably know as well
2014-10-31 14:20 <nebadon> im saying their names so they get alerted
2014-10-31 14:20 <nebadon> dahlia may and possibly AliciaRaven2
2014-10-31 14:20 <mheilman> hi again nebadon
2014-10-31 14:22 <nebadon> we need to get together after OSCC and try to figure out some of the wierd issues on FCVW grid for sure, do you have skype?
2014-10-31 14:23 <mheilman> I do.  I have been pretty hands-off on the fcvw grid, so I may not even know what is still going wrong
2014-10-31 14:23 <nebadon> ok, ya no worries we can look deeper after OSCC or if someone else is handling i can speak with them. Might be good for you to attend one of the meetings
2014-10-31 14:23 <nebadon> teleports seem to fail for people a lot
2014-10-31 14:24 <nebadon> when we jump from one region to next
2014-10-31 14:24 <AliciaRaven2> hey nebadon and mheilman, to send an alert from a region module u will have to get the reference to dialogue module and call the alert method
2014-10-31 14:24 <nebadon> hello AliciaRaven2
2014-10-31 14:24 <AliciaRaven2> IDialogModule dialogModule = scene.RequestModuleInterface<IDialogModule>();
2014-10-31 14:24 <AliciaRaven2>                         if (dialogModule != null)
2014-10-31 14:24 <AliciaRaven2>                             dialogModule.SendGeneralAlert(message);
2014-10-31 14:25 <mheilman> That looks more promising than what I have been doing, thanks.
2014-10-31 14:26 <AliciaRaven2> np :)
2014-10-31 14:29 <mheilman> That was the ticket.  Thanks
2014-10-31 14:29 <nebadon> great! glad we could help!
2014-10-31 14:58 <mheilman> In my region module, I have to halt scripting in the region, and re-enable it later.  I am able to reliably get a SIGABRT if I do this more than once.  However, I have to assume my end users will do exactly that.  Is there a nicer way to start and halt scripting in a region other than Scene.ScriptsEnabled = false; ?
2014-10-31 15:00 <mheilman> I will try the console commands for this functionality for now
2014-10-31 15:07 <AliciaRaven2> if it was a SIGSEGV error i might have an idea but not sure about SIGABRT
2014-10-31 15:10 <mheilman> It may be different as I am running it under debug in monodevelop.  I can paste a stack trace if you like
2014-10-31 15:12 <mheilman> I have to admit, this stack trace is different from the others.  I saw a stack trace originating in LSL, but this one is coming from Remoting
2014-10-31 15:13 <AliciaRaven2> opensim can crash with a SIGSEV error frequently on linux, the stack size usualy needs to be increased
2014-10-31 15:14 <AliciaRaven2> try setting... ulimit -s 262144
2014-10-31 15:23 <mheilman> I tried to recreate it running in a plain terminal before making that change, and I could not.  It must be monodevelop getting in the way.  Thanks anyways
2014-10-31 15:25 <AliciaRaven2> np, i run linux servers but develop on windows so im not familiar with monodevelop
2014-10-31 17:37 <nebadon> Misterblue ping
2014-10-31 17:37 <nebadon> or anyone for that matter
2014-10-31 17:37 <nebadon> does anyone know of any adjustments that can be made to bulletsim to keep peoples feet from folding up?
2014-10-31 17:37 <nebadon> looks terrible
2014-10-31 19:51 <diva> hi everyone, does anyone know if justincc merged the ghosts branch with head?
2014-10-31 20:42 <Ubit> hmm guess u need to put avas a bit higher again
2014-10-31 20:44 <Ubit> its on ground or walking on prims neb ?
2014-10-31 20:48 <Ubit> hmm  viewer z offset may temporary help 
2014-10-31 21:16 <smxy> Diva: I'm pretty sure he hasn't. His last to commits were the same one to both, for example.
2014-10-31 21:16 <smxy> ... last two* ...
2014-10-31 21:17 <diva> ok
2014-10-31 21:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #3867 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-10-31 21:51 <osjenkins> * justincc: Add "region get" command as a synononym for "show region" console command.
2014-10-31 21:51 <osjenkins> * justincc: Add "region set" console command.
2014-10-31 21:53 <diva> hi justincc. Could you explain to me what the ghosts branch does?
2014-10-31 21:53 <diva> I'm asking cos I want to do something that vaguely relates to the word "ghost" but I don't know what it means in that branch...
2014-10-31 21:53 <justincc> diva: it was originally created for a hack to stop av to av collisions in bulletsim for conf testing.  It since expanded to incorporate a bunch of other performance improvements that I need to think about before I merge back to master
2014-10-31 21:54 <justincc> I will merge everything back to master after conf, but ghosts has also now become the conference control branch where I nede to control stuff that goes in
2014-10-31 21:54 <diva> oh ok. So it doesn't do, for example, filtering of agent updates to other agents, etc?
2014-10-31 21:54 <justincc> no, nothing like that
2014-10-31 21:55 <diva> like if I want to visit a region but don't want to see any other avies there
2014-10-31 21:55 <dahlia> didnt that go into master last year?
2014-10-31 21:55 <diva> dahlia I mean complete filtering
2014-10-31 21:55 <diva> "ghosts" :)
2014-10-31 21:55 <diva> no one there
2014-10-31 21:55 <justincc> ha
2014-10-31 21:55 <justincc> my ghosts are because people can pass through each other :)
2014-10-31 21:56 <diva> ah! :)
2014-10-31 21:56 <justincc> maybe yours are more "invisibles"
2014-10-31 21:56 <diva> differetnt kinds of ghosts then! :D
2014-10-31 21:56 <diva> invisibles yes :)
2014-10-31 21:56 <dahlia> why no avatar collisions? was that a big performance factor?
2014-10-31 21:56 <justincc> it was in some scenarios, but I suspect it was more a pCampbot thing
2014-10-31 21:56 <justincc> where a lot of bots would be standing on each other
2014-10-31 21:56 <justincc> but tbh, eveyr little helps
2014-10-31 21:57 <dahlia> I'd think avatar/ground collisions would be the big one
2014-10-31 21:58 <dahlia> but it would be pretty lame to not have them :P
2014-10-31 21:58 <justincc> it would be.. . akward :)
2014-10-31 21:58 <justincc> awkward
2014-10-31 21:58 <dahlia> also it would probably be less load if the floor was many smaller prims rather than one big one
2014-10-31 21:58 <diva> ok, then I have another question. I am working on a mode where people visit sims without seeing any other people's avatars there, if people are there. Is that something that ppl would be interested (with proper config to control it) or should I make it as my own addon? -- If I make it my onwn I probably need to refactor a few things in core.
2014-10-31 21:59 <diva> basically filtering out all agent-related messaging
2014-10-31 21:59 <dahlia> I wouldnt want it but I'd think it would be a pain to maintain out of core
2014-10-31 22:00 <justincc> I haven't come across the need for that myself
2014-10-31 22:00 <BlueWall> it could probably have some generic use
2014-10-31 22:00 <dahlia> could also do it on the viewr end
2014-10-31 22:00 <BlueWall> I would be ok with it in core
2014-10-31 22:00 <diva> we have that need in Encitra (iurban planning)
2014-10-31 22:00 <justincc> how so?
2014-10-31 22:01 <diva> we want ppl to visit the models without being aware that they are ulti-user environments
2014-10-31 22:01 <diva> we're also eliminating the self-avie from rendering
2014-10-31 22:01 <justincc> but still see the indirect effects from other people?
2014-10-31 22:01 <diva> yeah. if someone moves something that will be seen
2014-10-31 22:01 <dahlia> like collisions?
2014-10-31 22:02 <diva> there are no collisions
2014-10-31 22:02 <justincc> yeah, that would be quite ghostly
2014-10-31 22:02 <justincc> sounds interesting
2014-10-31 22:02 <BlueWall> In a generic sense, think aout new users getting their avatars equipped. It would be a private experience for them.
2014-10-31 22:02 <justincc> poltergeists :0
2014-10-31 22:03 <BlueWall> lol make it so level 200+ can see them
2014-10-31 22:03 <diva> oh yeah, admins would be able to see everything.
2014-10-31 22:04 <diva> that's easy to adjust.
2014-10-31 22:04 <justincc> do you hide chat as well or can they still talk to each other?
2014-10-31 22:04 <diva> This is one step into my quest for a completely different user experience, especially for ppl who don't know anything at all about virtual worlds, just want to see the models
2014-10-31 22:04 <diva> chat can be hidden too
2014-10-31 22:05 <diva> This requires viewer-side work too
2014-10-31 22:05 <diva> I want to build on costumizing the UI server-side
2014-10-31 22:05 <dahlia> viewer has a fps mode I think
2014-10-31 22:05 <justincc> mouse look?
2014-10-31 22:05 <dahlia> ya
2014-10-31 22:05 <diva> this is more drastic than mouselook
2014-10-31 22:07 <justincc> diva: planning on forking the linden lab originating viewer?
2014-10-31 22:07 <dahlia> you probably want to make LL viewer work something like this? http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/webglView/
2014-10-31 22:08 <BlueWall> cool
2014-10-31 22:23 <diva> nor forking no
2014-10-31 22:23 <diva> not forking
2014-10-31 22:23 <justincc> you hope to get some existing viewer to incorporate the necessary?
2014-10-31 22:24 <diva> yes, singularity
2014-10-31 22:24 <diva> melanie already did some work on configurable UI. it can be pushed much further
2014-10-31 22:25 <diva> nothing of this is closed source, mind you. the question is whether core and everyone else are also interested in this kind of UI experience or not
2014-10-31 22:25 <justincc> ok, I'm neutral in having it in core if it's not something that will be a high maintenance burden
2014-10-31 22:25 <justincc> if it's in core and not widely used there's  abit more chance that it will get accidentally broken
2014-10-31 22:26 <diva> this requires extra login flags, extar SimFeatures, and a few conditionals here and there related to the agent-related messages
2014-10-31 22:26 <justincc> those bits sounds reasonably modular, apart from agent message filtering I guess
2014-10-31 22:26 <diva> yes
2014-10-31 22:27 <justincc> though message filtering could also be hooked
2014-10-31 22:27 <justincc> I guess that's where one ends up in the separate addon territory :)
2014-10-31 22:27 <diva> can it?
2014-10-31 22:28 <justincc> SP.SendAvatarDataToClient() for instance, could have some kind of event which says whether to actually send the data
2014-10-31 22:28 <justincc> or ultimately perhaps the client should be listening for events anyway rather than directly called, though that's a bigger kettle of fish
2014-10-31 22:29 <justincc> there are going to be a bunch of places where you would need to intercept stuff like agent appearance sending, attachments, as well as actual updates
2014-10-31 22:29 <justincc> movement updates
2014-10-31 22:29 <diva> ok let me look into it, and I'll see how modular I can make it without opening a can of worms
2014-10-31 22:29 <Ubit> viewer side code means all need to be using that viewer
2014-10-31 22:29 <diva> no
2014-10-31 22:29 <justincc> I have done quite a lot of work in this area in ghosts to reduce the lag issues when a new avatar enters a scene
2014-10-31 22:30 <justincc> though the actual calls are the same, so probably wouldn't affect anything you do much
2014-10-31 22:30 <diva> ok, well if you see some opportunities to make it easier to do this, feel free to start refactoring
2014-10-31 22:30 <justincc> ok
2014-10-31 22:32 <dahlia> I'd think some simple filtering in ScenePresence and maybe something at region entry when it sends everything to the viewer
2014-10-31 22:32 <dahlia> would be enough
2014-10-31 22:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #3868 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-10-31 22:37 <diva> ok, so right now I'm looking into having two independently configured flags: camera-only and special-ui. The first eliminates  the people-driven avatars from the viewer's scene and gives the person a "noclip" kind of camera control. The second flag hides the top menu bar and allows the viewer to download some of the xml files from the server, so that we can define what buttons go on the 
2014-10-31 22:37 <diva> bottom
2014-10-31 22:38 <justincc> it would be great if one could specify viewer ui in html/js but that would be a mammoth task I suspect
2014-10-31 22:38 <justincc> rather than special case xml
2014-10-31 22:38 <diva> it's in xml, and not a very nice file
2014-10-31 22:38 <diva> but it's better than having it hardcoded in the viewer!
2014-10-31 22:38 <justincc> yes
2014-10-31 22:39 <diva> you can define very minimal UIs
2014-10-31 22:39 <justincc> softcoding would be so great.  In the conf, for instance, we have a speaker mod ui which uses a huge hack of adjusting the texture each time a change is made
2014-10-31 22:39 <justincc> although that's getting more in the field of having a hud communicate some xml/whatever file to control its apperance
2014-10-31 22:40 <justincc> Last time I did this by using the build in web-viewer as the hud, but that is extremely clunky due to the need to keep clicking between the main viewer window and the web browser window
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2014-10-31 22:40 <osjenkins> justincc: Actually persist a changed console set agent-limit via "region set".
2014-10-31 22:40 <justincc> don;'t know if that could get any better with a moap hud, unreliable as moap can be
2014-10-31 22:40 <diva> yeah, I really really want to be able to control the UI for different purposes
2014-10-31 22:41 <justincc> 
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2014-10-31 22:41 <justincc> though maybe worth bearing in mind to try and keep it general if at all posisble so one might one day be able to use such elements in a viewer side hud
2014-10-31 22:47 <justincc> hey BlueWall
2014-10-31 22:54 <BlueWall> hey justincc
2014-10-31 22:55 <justincc> BlueWall: so, I see that in core user profiles, when a user changes there preferences there are a few fields that are saved server side
2014-10-31 22:55 <justincc> IMViaEmail is fairly obvious, but do you know what UserPreferences.Visible is?
2014-10-31 22:55 <BlueWall> I think it is whether their email is visible
2014-10-31 22:56 <justincc> ah ok
2014-10-31 22:56 <justincc> so on the conf grid, I have an issue where some local accounts have no e-mail set in opensim
2014-10-31 22:56 <justincc> so every time they try to change preferences they get the "UserPreferences request error" alert
2014-10-31 22:56 <BlueWall> ahh
2014-10-31 22:57 <justincc> what would you think about making the failure silent, at least temporarily (and maybe only in ghosts)?  It's not ideal but it would at least stop those somewhat confusing messages
2014-10-31 22:57 <BlueWall> I can do something to handle those cases
2014-10-31 22:58 <justincc> also, it doesn't seem to work with hg, at least the avacon grid, but that might possibly be a config issue
2014-10-31 22:59 <justincc> ok, just for now  as I want to avoid trouble tomorrow, I'm simply going to silence the messages but that will be a temporary hack and only in ghosts
2014-10-31 22:59 <BlueWall> It's probably in the module. what I need to do is harden it with the gatekeeper for users writing back to their home grid.
2014-10-31 22:59 <justincc> then if there's a better fix can incorporate it later
2014-10-31 22:59 <BlueWall> sure
2014-10-31 22:59 <justincc> ok, cool
2014-10-31 23:01 <BlueWall> Ok, that visible one goes with "Obly my Friends and Groups can see when I'm online" in singularity (I think)
2014-10-31 23:01 <justincc> ok
2014-10-31 23:01 <BlueWall> And th eother is "Send IM to  Email
2014-10-31 23:02 <BlueWall> "
2014-10-31 23:07 <justincc> gah, set not sent
2014-10-31 23:13 <BlueWall> ok, that does what you wnat for now?
2014-10-31 23:14 <justincc> yes, I'msimply surpressing the errors ;)
2014-10-31 23:14 <justincc> trying to do minimal changes at this point tbh
2014-10-31 23:14 <BlueWall> ++
2014-10-31 23:36 <Arielle_> justincc is there a setting for hypergrid that blocks inbound jumps made through map search but allows jumps through the Teleport Home shortcut?
2014-10-31 23:37 <Arielle_> error on map search jumps is "Teleport Failed Unable to verify Identity
2014-10-31 23:48 <justincc> Arielle_: If they were using teleport home wouldn't they be home users of the grid anyway?
2014-10-31 23:52 <Arielle__> sorry crashed icechat.
2014-10-31 23:52 <justincc> just to repeat
2014-10-31 23:52 <justincc> Arielle_: If they were using teleport home wouldn't they be home users of the grid anyway?
2014-10-31 23:52 <Arielle__> yes Home user but also getting the error  with  accounts attempting to jump to the grid
2014-10-31 23:53 <Arielle__> but found it starnge that the  Home user would fail when using map search when jumping back from external grid
2014-10-31 23:53 <Arielle__> but succeed on a teleport home shortcut
2014-10-31 23:54 <justincc> that is curious.  Unfortunatley I don't know hg in enough detail to easily say why
2014-10-31 23:54 <Arielle__> the Grid was working fine  on .8.1 but then reverted to .8.0.2 and now  inbound jumps fail
2014-10-31 23:54 <Arielle__> just  wondered as someone at the dev meeting was mentioning the issue  on another grid
2014-10-31 23:55 <justincc> There are some documented settings at http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Hypergrid_Parameters and http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Hypergrid_Parameters but nothing obvious applies.  And none of that stuff is new since 0.8.02
2014-10-31 23:55 <Arielle__> normally it is a newtwork/router issue on the  originating grid
2014-10-31 23:55 <Arielle__> not the destination grid
2014-10-31 23:56 <Arielle__> ok. There is no setting that allows the blocking of incoming HG jumps?
2014-10-31 23:56 <justincc> I can't say for sure.  It might be that I just didn't have reason to document it
2014-10-31 23:56 <justincc> I suspect not
2014-10-31 23:56 <justincc> er, at least not for hoem users
2014-10-31 23:57 <justincc> there are many which block foreigners, of course
2014-10-31 23:57 <Arielle__> is a Home user identified as being  such a user if  jumping through map?
2014-10-31 23:57 <Arielle__> vs using Home shortcut?
2014-10-31 23:57 <justincc> I wouldn't have thought so, but can't say for sure
2014-10-31 23:58 <BlueWall> Arielle__, how about landmarks?
2014-10-31 23:59 <Arielle__> were there not 8002 8003 port changes between .8.0.2 and .8.1?
2014-10-31 23:59 <Arielle__> havent tried thT BlueWall
2014-10-31 23:59 <Arielle__> the mapto command doesnt work though
2014-10-31 23:59 <Arielle__> not sure if LM's use that mapto
2014-11-01 00:04 <BlueWall> That message originates in the gatekeeper and there is only one condition that does not return false : Teleport Failed Unable to  verify Identity 
2014-11-01 00:04 <BlueWall> oops - 1 sec
2014-11-01 00:04 <BlueWall> m_UserAgentService.VerifyAgent(aCircuit.SessionID, aCircuit.ServiceSessionID);
2014-11-01 00:05 <BlueWall> So, teleporting home works and teleporting by map doesn't?
2014-11-01 00:10 <Arielle__> thats right Bluewall
2014-11-01 00:12 <Arielle__> for an account coming in from another grid fails altogether 
2014-11-01 00:12 <Arielle__> it worked ok on .8.1
2014-11-01 00:12 <Arielle__> checking gatekeeper address ports
2014-11-01 00:16 <BlueWall> there is TeleportHome method, maybe it takes a slightly different path through all of the checks.
2014-11-01 00:17 <justincc> I would have thought they all go through verificatio nthough
2014-11-01 00:19 <Arielle__> UserAccountService doesnt have  any bearing on it?
2014-11-01 00:22 <BlueWall> RequestTeleportLandmark exists too
2014-11-01 00:26 <Arielle__> Bluewall a landmark failed for the external account
2014-11-01 00:26 <BlueWall> ok
2014-11-01 00:28 <Arielle__> it also fails for the home user while on an external grid
2014-11-01 00:29 <BlueWall> hmmm
2014-11-01 00:31 <BlueWall> Hg teleports work here
2014-11-01 00:31 <BlueWall> map and home
2014-11-01 00:32 <BlueWall> Now, I can't login to another grid and TP back though. Kindof a loopback issue with that.
2014-11-01 00:32 <Arielle__> the grid  i am seeing the trouble on  is great canadian grid
2014-11-01 00:33 <Arielle__> yes thats the firmware for dd-wrt?
2014-11-01 00:33 <BlueWall> try cc.opensimulator.org:8002:Keynotes 1
2014-11-01 00:33 <Arielle__> i get there no issue
2014-11-01 00:33 <BlueWall> Keynote 1 ?
2014-11-01 00:36 <Arielle__> oh i went to HG landing zone
2014-11-01 00:37 <BlueWall> doesn't really matter about that, can you get back home via the map now?
2014-11-01 00:40 <Arielle__> no, i fails from there to  with the same error
2014-11-01 00:42 <BlueWall> have you restarted your grid/regions while away?
2014-11-01 00:44 <Arielle__> my own home grid has no issue. but yes, i restarted it about an hour ago
2014-11-01 00:44 <BlueWall> Did you relog at that time?
2014-11-01 00:45 <Arielle__> yes
2014-11-01 00:45 <BlueWall> Your grid is OK?
2014-11-01 00:45 <Arielle__> but this  has been happening the  past 36 hours since Great canadian reverted to .8.0.2
2014-11-01 00:45 <Arielle__> on that grid
2014-11-01 00:46 <justincc> I cant' remember any hg changes since 0.8.0.2 level
2014-11-01 00:46 <Arielle__> ok, just thought i would ask in case  there is a setting or port that may have changed since then
2014-11-01 00:46 <BlueWall> I'm not sure when the sessions started being persisted to surevive restarts
2014-11-01 00:47 <BlueWall> but, that shouldn't affect it.
2014-11-01 00:47 <Arielle__> if the network is the same and the configs are the same, then it should work the same
2014-11-01 00:47 <BlueWall> Maybe they have some port issues in their configuration?
2014-11-01 00:48 <BlueWall> Or private modules?
2014-11-01 00:48 <Arielle__> i looked over their  robusthg.ini and gridcommon.ini and  lines up with my ini's
2014-11-01 00:48 <Arielle__> modules a possibility
2014-11-01 00:49 <BlueWall> It would be hard to say.
2014-11-01 00:49 <Arielle__> Ping Plugh
2014-11-01 00:49 <BlueWall> I know I can jup out to cc.opensimulator.org and back w/o issues
2014-11-01 00:49 <Arielle__> from my home hosted grid i can too
2014-11-01 00:50 <BlueWall> Then it's soemthing on their side.
2014-11-01 00:50 <Arielle__> seems so
2014-11-01 00:51 <justincc> one day need to write a tool to check configuration if possible
2014-11-01 00:51 <justincc> or probe required open ports, etc.
2014-11-01 00:51 <BlueWall> I've had no issues using Hg other than my own little routing thing for ages
2014-11-01 00:51 <Arielle__> new world studio  had something for that. No idea if opensource though
2014-11-01 00:52 <nebadon> Arielle_ i need to restart keynote 1 on OSCC
2014-11-01 00:52 <nebadon> you avatar is there
2014-11-01 00:52 <Arielle__> me too Bluewall when I was using dd-wrt firmware. That drove me crazy for a while with the exact issue you described
2014-11-01 00:53 <BlueWall> is your home region and the region you were attempting to get to via maps the same?
2014-11-01 00:53 <justincc> I need to be gone in about 10 mins btw, but should be back 09:30 EDT for the rehearsal tomorrow
2014-11-01 00:53 <BlueWall> I'm a direct connect to the net
2014-11-01 00:53 <Arielle__> i'm out nebadon
2014-11-01 00:53 <nebadon> thanks
2014-11-01 00:53 <BlueWall> I've just had no reason to go digging around to fix it
2014-11-01 00:54 <Arielle__> yes on same region Bluewall
2014-11-01 00:55 <Arielle__> thx for the help anyway Bluewall and Justincc
2014-11-01 00:55 <Arielle__> will have to wait till gcg sorts it out\
2014-11-01 00:55 <justincc> one day when I have time I'm going to throughly go through all this stuff and understand exactly how it works
2014-11-01 00:55 <BlueWall> sure, hope you're able to get it resolved.
2014-11-01 00:56 <Arielle__> ~justincc with extra time? ;)
2014-11-01 00:56 <justincc> if only :)
2014-11-01 00:56 <BlueWall> login to that region's console and list all the regions
2014-11-01 00:57 <Arielle__> need 36 hours in a day
2014-11-01 00:58 <Arielle__> no access to console for the GCG console but  I have tried their welcome region too and cant get there
2014-11-01 00:58 <BlueWall> well - are you jumping from your home grid to your home on the GCG ?
2014-11-01 00:58 <Arielle__> i have tried from my home grid, metro grid  and a friends grid
2014-11-01 00:59 <BlueWall> I think they just started Hg a couple of weeks ago?
2014-11-01 00:59 <BlueWall> ok, look in your region's console
2014-11-01 00:59 <Arielle__> each with their own Arielle account. Not sure how long ago but yes, fairly recent
2014-11-01 00:59 <BlueWall> is your uuid the same on them?
2014-11-01 01:00 <Arielle__> on each account? No
2014-11-01 01:00 <BlueWall> ok
2014-11-01 01:00 <Arielle__> that wont work
2014-11-01 01:00 <BlueWall> right
2014-11-01 01:00 <Arielle__> i tried years ago :)
2014-11-01 01:00 <BlueWall> do you the the GCG regions listed in your console?
2014-11-01 01:01 <Arielle__> whats the command?
2014-11-01 01:01 <Arielle__> to list regions?
2014-11-01 01:01 <BlueWall> haa, yeah - I logged in as Nebadon to OSG over Hg when we found that hole.
2014-11-01 01:01 <BlueWall> show regions
2014-11-01 01:02 <justincc> yeah, this is because of the currently necessary hacky stuff gong on in the backend to map hg regions to the region grid
2014-11-01 01:02 <justincc> would love to get rid of that stuff one day since I'm pretty sure it leads to obscure bugs too
2014-11-01 01:02 <Arielle__> just shows my 6 regions
2014-11-01 01:02 <justincc> on service console or simulator?
2014-11-01 01:02 <BlueWall> simulator
2014-11-01 01:03 <justincc> I think you want to do it on robust console
2014-11-01 01:03 <justincc> ?
2014-11-01 01:03 <Arielle__> simulator
2014-11-01 01:04 <justincc> ok, I've got to go to make sure I get enough rest for tomorrow.
2014-11-01 01:04 <BlueWall> whenyou do a map search, it looks for the region name in your grid, if not found and the name contains ".", then it attempts to Hg link it to your grid
2014-11-01 01:04 <justincc> 
ACTION waves

2014-11-01 01:04 <BlueWall> bye
2014-11-01 01:04 <Arielle__> just checked robust console and it shows the 6 and a bunch of old ones i had before
2014-11-01 01:04 <justincc> yeah, but I believe the links are made on the service backend... could be wrong
2014-11-01 01:04 <justincc> anyway, bye
2014-11-01 01:04 <BlueWall> http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002/ Keynote 1   b320e7ca-7525-447d-b8bd-e75458711b67  24345,0      256x256      RegionOnline, NoDirectLogin, Hyperlink
2014-11-01 01:04 <BlueWall> That is my region's link to Keynote 1 from a scripted Hg teleport.
2014-11-01 01:05 <Arielle__> b320....is region uuid?
2014-11-01 01:05 <BlueWall> yes
2014-11-01 01:07 <Arielle__> map search i use login.greatcanadiangrid.ca:8002:avalonia ...no http://
2014-11-01 01:07 <Arielle__> both are  usable for all regions arent they?
2014-11-01 01:08 <BlueWall> yes
2014-11-01 01:09 <BlueWall> ok, for a map search, I'm not seeing them
2014-11-01 01:09 <Arielle__> i find i have to search a couple times  sometimes
2014-11-01 01:10 <BlueWall> I think when I need to do that, my regions are busy with scripts or something.
2014-11-01 01:11 <Arielle__> originating grid or destination one?
2014-11-01 01:11 <BlueWall> origin
2014-11-01 01:11 <BlueWall> rare though
2014-11-01 01:12 <BlueWall> Ok, I do see the one I jumped to via map.
2014-11-01 01:12 <BlueWall> http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002/ keynote 3   b2d05dc6-5645-4a31-b09c-3d95ff95e67b  1659,0       256x256      RegionOnline, NoDirectLogin, Hyperlink
2014-11-01 01:12 <BlueWall> I was looking in the wrong region's console
2014-11-01 01:14 <Arielle__> are you able to jump to the  address i listed?
2014-11-01 01:14 <BlueWall> 1 sec
2014-11-01 01:15 <BlueWall> no
2014-11-01 01:15 <BlueWall> they have an issue on their side.
2014-11-01 01:15 <BlueWall> it was immediate rejection
2014-11-01 01:16 <Arielle__> yes, me too
2014-11-01 01:16 <Arielle__> i'll try the patience thing
2014-11-01 01:17 <Arielle__> thx again for the help Bluewall
2014-11-01 01:17 <BlueWall> there is a space in front of the name?
2014-11-01 01:17 <Arielle__> in front of avalonia?
2014-11-01 01:17 <Arielle__> no\
2014-11-01 01:17 <BlueWall> http://192.99.20.15:8002/ avalonia            b04e4b14-7ae6-4331-9497-7c6e7d165aa9  15250,0      256x256      RegionOnline, NoDirectLogin, Hyperlink
2014-11-01 01:17 <BlueWall> see that?
2014-11-01 01:18 <Arielle__> yes but the conversion to  http://  always does that
2014-11-01 01:18 <BlueWall> the region is mapped into my grid space - note the space
2014-11-01 01:18 <BlueWall> Ahhh, ok @.@
2014-11-01 01:18 <BlueWall> never noticed that.
2014-11-01 01:18 <Arielle__> :avalonia or / avalonia if using  http:// addressing
2014-11-01 01:19 <BlueWall> ok, makes sense - I see that with the Keynote as well.
2014-11-01 01:20 <Arielle__> can confusing for newer users and probably  a factor in many  apparent failed jumps
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2014-11-01 16:51 <justincc> diva: still there?
2014-11-01 18:17 <diva> justincc I'm here now
2014-11-01 18:17 <diva> what'sup?
2014-11-01 18:17 <justincc> no worries,though you were going tocome along to the presentation session practice :)
2014-11-01 18:17 <justincc> thought
2014-11-01 18:17 <diva> sorry, I had to leave for a bit..
2014-11-01 18:18 <justincc> ok, hopefully there won't be any problems on the day
2014-11-01 18:19 <justincc> on your presentation you're planning on taking q&a?
2014-11-01 18:22 <diva> yes
2014-11-01 18:23 <justincc> from the chat directly or do you want the moderator to help?
2014-11-01 18:56 <Arielle_> is the load test now?
2014-11-01 19:01 <Plugh> AFAIK, yes
2014-11-01 19:01 <Plugh> I was just about to look for my login information.
2014-11-01 19:25 <smxy> I waited to long to get an in-world ticket for the conference. Sigh.
2014-11-01 19:25 <smxy> That'll teach me.
2014-11-01 19:26 <velus5> hey all
2014-11-01 19:33 <velus5> awwww smxy
2014-11-01 19:33 <velus5> i have a ticket lol
2014-11-01 19:34 <Arielle_> not all will show and  they opened the doors last year
2014-11-01 19:35 <Arielle_> and maybe they need volunteers or something still\]
2014-11-01 19:38 <smxy> Well, I at least have the streaming ticket.
2014-11-01 19:40 <velus5> i think they do still need volenures but they have already done the training day and well i missed the dry run due to my mum getting rudshed to hosptial
2014-11-01 19:49 <dahlia> crash?
2014-11-01 19:49 <Plugh> Think so. Both my viewers just died
2014-11-01 19:50 <dahlia> too many real viewers?
2014-11-01 19:51 <BlueWall> did the region crash?
2014-11-01 19:51 <dahlia> well something broke
2014-11-01 19:51 <Arielle_> hard to tell when the viewer crashes first :)
2014-11-01 20:17 <Arielle_> Oh Bluewall, that problem last night might be nothing more then  using the IP rather than the hostname  in the ini files. Will know for sure later
2014-11-01 20:38 <BlueWall> Indigo Line
2014-11-01 20:38 <BlueWall> :)
2014-11-01 20:39 <Arielle_> Indigo line?
2014-11-01 20:39 <BlueWall> Was a map search - can't keep up with 2 screens :S
2014-11-01 20:40 <Arielle_> ahh :)
2014-11-02 01:41 <velus5> hey all
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2014-11-02 13:30 <Velus> morning all
2014-11-02 14:08 <keygruin> don't expect all to answer at the same time :) - good morning.
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2014-11-04 18:17 <justincc> hey nebadon
2014-11-04 18:21 <nebadon> hey
2014-11-04 18:22 <nebadon> that everything justincc?
2014-11-04 18:22 <justincc> nebadon: pls could you update now
2014-11-04 18:22 <nebadon> kk
2014-11-04 18:22 <justincc> this will give me a tiny chance to see if I've fucked up
2014-11-04 18:25 <nebadon> justincc
2014-11-04 18:25 <nebadon> its not even compiling
2014-11-04 18:25 <justincc> shit
2014-11-04 18:25 <justincc> ok, one moment, probably did forget to add a new class
2014-11-04 18:26 <zadarkAlt1> Can see The type or namespace name `HGIncomingSceneObjectEngine' could not be found. Are you missing an assembly reference?
2014-11-04 18:26 <nebadon> yep same
2014-11-04 18:27 <justincc> ok there
2014-11-04 18:27 <nebadon> compiling
2014-11-04 18:27 <nebadon> im doing this in ghosts4 justincc
2014-11-04 18:27 <nebadon> so we can easily fall back to ghosts3
2014-11-04 18:28 <nebadon> compiled that time
2014-11-04 18:29 <justincc> ok, config files should be intact?
2014-11-04 18:30 <nebadon> yes
2014-11-04 18:30 <nebadon> just dont do a git --reset hard or git clean
2014-11-04 18:30 <nebadon> and it will retain everything
2014-11-04 18:30 <justincc> hopefully I didn't spend most of yesterday barking up the wrong tree on this, though utterly impossible to say for sure.  Also added some more diagnostic tools to see why there might have been spikes in threads used, though that could have been a consequence of something else
2014-11-04 18:30 <justincc> ok
2014-11-04 18:30 <nebadon> just cp then git pull
2014-11-04 18:31 <nebadon> ok Keynotes are restarted
2014-11-04 18:31 <nebadon> Staff is going now
2014-11-04 18:31 <justincc> let me know when keynotes/staff are restated.  I want to do a hg alient av entrance
2014-11-04 18:31 <justincc> ok
2014-11-04 18:31 <nebadon> ok i will too
2014-11-04 18:31 <nebadon> let me know when you are ready to the alien TP
2014-11-04 18:32 <justincc> can I do it first?  I'd like to know the exact trigger point when I watch the console
2014-11-04 18:32 <justincc> standby
2014-11-04 18:32 <nebadon> yea absolutely
2014-11-04 18:32 <nebadon> just shout when you are ready for me too
2014-11-04 18:33 <justincc> ok now
2014-11-04 18:42 <justincc> the alien isn't somehow containined anywhere on kn1. right?  Just checking
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2014-11-05 01:06 <Melanie_> mheilman_: wherever you're going with that NPC creation, you're treading on dangerous terrain
2014-11-05 01:06 <Melanie_> you should call the methods exposed by the NPC module, which do not require a script engine object
2014-11-05 01:06 <Melanie_> NEVER and I mean NEVER call anything in OSSL_Api.cs or LSL_Api.cs, etc. directly!
2014-11-05 01:07 <Melanie_> those functions are meant to be called from wthin a valid script context and from a script engine thread!
2014-11-05 01:07 <Melanie_> your OpenSim will likely EXPLODE under the right (wrong) conditions
2014-11-05 01:07 <Melanie_> look into the NPCModule, it has what you need
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2014-11-05 01:55 <ox64-p> question if anyone is around.  I know last week you guys were talking about an issue where if a UDP was attempted to be used for a region that was already used in another region and did a fix for that.   When that problem occurred, did it cause the CPU load to go insanely to 100+% by chance?
2014-11-05 02:14 <Melanie_> justincc fixed a bug where two regions within the same instance could use the same udp oprt, due to mono defaulting to SO_REUSEADDR
2014-11-05 02:38 <ox64-p> yeah....im seeing errors occuring with the UDPserver code, and it's affecting only certain avatars and causing the server to hit 100% until opensim is restarted
2014-11-05 02:38 <ox64-p> not sure what's causing it though
2014-11-05 02:45 <Melanie_> if you had regionsini define several regions using the same port, the this fix would affect you
2014-11-05 02:45 <Melanie_> if not, this is not the bug you're looking for (make jedi gesture)
2014-11-05 02:58 <ox64-p> yeah i have each region with it's own port in the Regions.ini file
2014-11-05 02:59 <ox64-p> so i guess it's something different
2014-11-05 03:00 <ox64-p> i think part of the problem is this person that's connecting to the grid has some major internet issues, as they have problems connecting in secondlife, so i dont know if their connection is causing some sort of problem with OpenSim or what
2014-11-05 03:17 <osmantis> Bug #7365:04 Add ability to create gross terrain features from console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7365 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-11-05 03:22 <osmantis> Bug #7365:04 [PATCH] Add ability to create gross terrain features from console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7365 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
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2014-11-05 05:00 <osmantis> Bug #7365:04 [PATCH] Add ability to create gross terrain features from console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7365 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-05 06:12 <osmantis> Bug #7366:04 Service causes error with Mysql when logging in to my grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7366 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-11-05 06:18 <osmantis> Bug #7366:04 Service causes error with Mysql when logging in to my grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7366 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-05 12:37 <osmantis> Bug #7365:04 [PATCH] Add ability to create gross terrain features from console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7365 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-05 13:18 <mheilman_> Melanie_ thanks for the information.  However, I am already working against the NPCModule, and CreateNPC expects an AvatarAppearance to be passed in.  I am looking for a method to persist and NPC appearance accross region restarts, and the only method I have found is the scripting call I have been emulating.  Do you know of a better way?
2014-11-05 14:49 <Taoki> Hi everyone. Latest GIT master appears to fail to compile: `CompressionLevel' is an ambiguous reference between `System.IO.Compression.CompressionLevel' and `Ionic.Zlib.CompressionLevel'
2014-11-05 15:58 <smxy> It builds for me on CentOS 7 with Mono 3.10.0.
2014-11-05 16:21 <nebadon> Taoki how are you updating the code?
2014-11-05 16:21 <nebadon> is this a fresh clone?
2014-11-05 16:22 <nebadon> that error sounds like old dlls are still present maybe
2014-11-05 17:09 <Plugh> I've had a situation where a user comes up as unknown. I fixed the cause of the problem but they still show as unknown even after clearing viewer cache and relogging. Where is the user info cached? In the regions or in Robust?
2014-11-05 17:54 <smxy> Plugh: The file that the names are stored in, in the viewer cache, is not normally deleted when clearing the cache. You need to go to your cache dir, when the viewer isn't running, and delete everything you see in it.
2014-11-05 17:55 <smxy> If you still see it after that, then they are being cached somewhere on the server side too.
2014-11-05 18:04 <Plugh> smxy: ok. I'll take a look at it again later.
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2014-11-05 18:46 <Taoki> nebadon: GIT. I did a GIT pull and attempted to compile
2014-11-05 18:48 <BlueWall> Taoki, can you look for the place in the build process that the failure occurs and paste what you find there to pastebin and share the link here? Thanks.
2014-11-05 18:50 <Taoki> I'm currently a bit busy, might soon
2014-11-05 18:50 <nebadon> you are on windows right Taoki?
2014-11-05 18:50 <Taoki> nebadon: Linux. openSUSE 13.2 x64
2014-11-05 18:51 <BlueWall> cool, just when you are able. It would help pinpoint where it is happening.
2014-11-05 18:52 <BlueWall> I'm on the same OS, about to try a build here.
2014-11-05 18:55 <Taoki> Nice. Try compiling latest GIT master then... you should get the same rrror unless I'm doing something different
2014-11-05 18:56 <Dev_Random> Taoki: nant or xbuild?
2014-11-05 18:56 <Taoki> **error
2014-11-05 18:56 <BlueWall> I have some error
2014-11-05 18:56 <Taoki> I believe it's nant
2014-11-05 18:56 <Taoki> ok
2014-11-05 18:56 <BlueWall> I probably don't have nant opn this box
2014-11-05 18:57 <Dev_Random> ubuntu with mono 2.10.8.. xbuild works.
2014-11-05 18:59 <AllenKerensky> i've run into that on fedora for a while now - nant builds stopped working with a missing required assembly error - but xbuild works
2014-11-05 18:59 <AllenKerensky> 2.10.8.1
2014-11-05 19:00 <BlueWall> xbuild is solid. I can't think of any reason to use nant theese days.
2014-11-05 19:00 <AllenKerensky> xbuild is tons of screen barf - nant was far less so - easier to see what was happening
2014-11-05 19:01 <AllenKerensky> have not tried nant since I moved to mono 3.4
2014-11-05 19:03 <Taoki> I'm not sure which I'm using with certainty really... I think it's nant.
2014-11-05 19:03 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION attempts remote login to Taoki's machine to see if xbuild works.

2014-11-05 19:04 <Taoki> Well, I simply use the command "make". Not sure which of the two that activates
2014-11-05 19:05 <Dev_Random> nant
2014-11-05 19:05 <BlueWall> my error was caused by some stray files in the source tree - re-trying now
2014-11-05 19:06 <BlueWall> NAnt 0.92 Release June 9, 2012
2014-11-05 19:06 <Taoki> Yeah, that's what I'm using then. Someone also said nant is noisty, and the build process prints a ton of lines :P
2014-11-05 19:06 <BlueWall> << latest
2014-11-05 19:06 <Taoki> Anyway I'll post the build log soon.
2014-11-05 19:06 <BlueWall> No errors here
2014-11-05 19:07 <BlueWall> Let my pass you a set of commands, mayb you can try with xbuild when you have a few minutes?
2014-11-05 19:07 <BlueWall> xbuild /t:clean
2014-11-05 19:07 <BlueWall> ./runprebuild.sh autoclean
2014-11-05 19:07 <BlueWall> ./runprebuild.sh vs2010
2014-11-05 19:07 <BlueWall> xbuild
2014-11-05 19:07 <Taoki> http://pastebin.com/SR3fcjmZ
2014-11-05 19:08 <BlueWall> /home/mircea/Games/SecondLife/Opensim-OSGrid/OpenSim/Region/CoreModules/Avatar/Inventory/Archiver
2014-11-05 19:09 <BlueWall> compiler for "Mono 4.5 Profile" does not support limiting the platform on which the compiled code can run.
2014-11-05 19:10 <Taoki> Yeah, it prints that all the time, and it did before too. But it was just a warning
2014-11-05 19:10 <BlueWall> not sure where that 4.5 is comming from, we are using 4.0 framework so Debian works
2014-11-05 19:11 <BlueWall> do you ahve a parallel mono install?
2014-11-05 19:12 <Taoki> no, only official repository packages
2014-11-05 19:15 <AllenKerensky> yeah that looks a lot like what I remember seeing too
2014-11-05 19:15 <BlueWall> I can't see where this is coming from - framework: Mono 4.5 Profile 
2014-11-05 19:15 <AllenKerensky> some new code a while back somehow caused mono to think it needed 4.5 for something and nant rolls over
2014-11-05 19:15 <AllenKerensky> xbuild sorts it out
2014-11-05 19:15 <BlueWall> We have to stay at 4.0 because of Debain
2014-11-05 19:16 <AllenKerensky> Looks like Ionic.Zlib.Compression?
2014-11-05 19:17 <BlueWall> well, that was probably built under 4.0 or something
2014-11-05 19:18 <BlueWall> the last nant update was mid-2012. I'm not sure if mono was supporting the 4.5 framework at that time.
2014-11-05 19:18 <BlueWall> I would try xbuild
2014-11-05 19:18 <Dev_Random> maybe core devs might consider removing nant as an option.
2014-11-05 19:18 <BlueWall> if that works, then a mantis wouold be in order
2014-11-05 19:18 <Taoki> I don't know how to set that up now
2014-11-05 19:19 <BlueWall> I gave you the instructions just a few minutes ago
2014-11-05 19:19 <Taoki> oh, sorry
2014-11-05 19:19 <BlueWall> xbuild /t:clean
2014-11-05 19:19 <BlueWall> ./runprebuild.sh autoclean
2014-11-05 19:19 <BlueWall> ./runprebuild.sh vs2010
2014-11-05 19:19 <BlueWall> xbuild
2014-11-05 19:19 <BlueWall> is ok
2014-11-05 19:19 <Taoki> Anyway, I have mono 3.8.0 and nant 0.92
2014-11-05 19:20 <BlueWall> hmm, I have 3.0.6 here
2014-11-05 19:20 <Taoki> Is xbuild part of the OS too, or is it a proprietary tool? IIRC, vs was Microsoft's visual studio
2014-11-05 19:20 <nebadon> hmmm 3.8?
2014-11-05 19:21 <BlueWall> it is part of the mono distribution
2014-11-05 19:21 <nebadon> i wonder if thats part of the problem
2014-11-05 19:21 <nebadon> are you compiling mono yourself?
2014-11-05 19:21 <nebadon> or is it from a repo?
2014-11-05 19:22 <BlueWall> I'm trying now with 3.8
2014-11-05 19:22 <BlueWall> builds fine
2014-11-05 19:23 <BlueWall> prebuild.xml defines the framework version (4.0) to build under.
2014-11-05 19:24 <BlueWall> I can not understand where the messages about 4.5 are coming from, unless Nant totally ignores whate we ask for.
2014-11-05 19:26 <BlueWall> OpenSuse 13.2  0.0
2014-11-05 19:26 <BlueWall> that was released yesterday
2014-11-05 19:27 <BlueWall> I'm on 13.1 still.
2014-11-05 19:27 <Taoki> Ok. I upgraded recently yes
2014-11-05 19:28 <BlueWall> I will not be able to upgrade here until later this evening.
2014-11-05 19:28 <nebadon> hmm is 13.2 official now?
2014-11-05 19:28 <nebadon> or beta?
2014-11-05 19:28 <nebadon> we need to be careful testing against beta releases
2014-11-05 19:28 <BlueWall> meantime, could you try to build under xbuild to let us know if Nant is the issue?
2014-11-05 19:28 <BlueWall> http://www.opensuse.org/en/
2014-11-05 19:28 <BlueWall> Official
2014-11-05 19:29 <nebadon> ok cool
2014-11-05 19:29 <nebadon> does it ship with mono 3.8?
2014-11-05 19:29 <BlueWall> lol, Maybe I can update Monodevelop now.
2014-11-05 19:29 <Taoki> BlueWall: I will try soon, still busy
2014-11-05 19:29 <nebadon> thats a wierd version for them to choose if it does
2014-11-05 19:29 <BlueWall> I have considered jumping back to Slackware
2014-11-05 19:30 <BlueWall> Taoki, Ok, thanks.
2014-11-05 19:30 <BlueWall> I'll be afk for a while, but you can paste me a message here when you are able to try and I'll see it.
2014-11-05 19:31 <BlueWall> nebadon, yeah, they have been slack with mono support. And it seems like the Xamarin people are on something like 11.2
2014-11-05 19:34 <nebadon> well it seems unlikely anyone is on 11.2 
2014-11-05 19:34 <nebadon> the repos are shut off
2014-11-05 19:34 <nebadon> there is no shellshock fix for 11.2
2014-11-05 19:35 <nebadon> its more likely they are all on mac now
2014-11-05 19:35 <nebadon> lol
2014-11-05 19:35 <nebadon> they seem to be very focused on iOS support
2014-11-05 19:35 <nebadon> more than anything
2014-11-05 19:35 <BlueWall> they screwed the Linux community
2014-11-05 19:35 <BlueWall> lol
2014-11-05 19:36 <BlueWall> their downloads page looks different now
2014-11-05 19:36 <nebadon> yea their website has gotten a major revamp
2014-11-05 19:36 <nebadon> its nice actually
2014-11-05 19:37 <BlueWall> They are running from OpenSUSE
2014-11-05 19:38 <nebadon> the website is?
2014-11-05 19:38 <BlueWall> I guess OpenSUSE support falls under Red Hat
2014-11-05 19:38 <nebadon> ya fedora rpms usually work in opensuse
2014-11-05 19:38 <BlueWall> Red Hat, SUSE, and derivatives
2014-11-05 19:38 <nebadon> from my experience
2014-11-05 19:38 <BlueWall> lol, SUSE is a Slackware derivitive
2014-11-05 19:38 <nebadon> not always but a lot do
2014-11-05 19:39 <nebadon> most of the rpm based linux are related in some manner
2014-11-05 19:39 <BlueWall> yes
2014-11-05 19:39 <BlueWall> that is one area OpenSUSE leans toward RF, etc.
2014-11-05 19:39 <BlueWall> Slackware builds from sources
2014-11-05 19:41 <BlueWall> I need to take off for a while, and will update later here to see if builds are OK.
2014-11-05 19:41 <BlueWall> I really suspect Nant is the culprit though.
2014-11-05 19:41 <BlueWall> back in a while
2014-11-05 19:44 <nebadon> ya wouldnt surprise me if nant is the problem
2014-11-05 19:44 <nebadon> i havent used that in a long time
2014-11-05 19:44 <nebadon> kk BlueWall talk later :)
2014-11-05 19:47 <smxy> I wanted to install OpenSUSE 13.2 yesterday, but XenServer can't install it yet. :(
2014-11-05 19:48 <smxy> I haven't used nant in at least 2 years, if not longer.
2014-11-05 19:48 <smxy> xbuild all the way.
2014-11-05 19:55 <osmantis> Bug #7367:04 Standalone HG persisting URLs to regions table when it shouldn't 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7367 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-11-05 21:01 <dahlia> :( http://radegast.org/wp/blog/2014/11/roads-end/comment-page-1/
2014-11-05 23:41 <smxy> Well, that sucks. I guess that means Replex will stop and Singularity will not benefit from his expertise anymore, either. Regardless, his health is important and I hope he can improve it.
2014-11-05 23:44 <dahlia> ya :(  He's mentioned his health a few times in the past but never gave any details. Whatever it is, I hope he can get better.
2014-11-05 23:44 <smxy> Aye.
2014-11-05 23:45 <ox64-p> dang
2014-11-05 23:55 <smxy> About #7367 ... I thought linked regions were supposed to persist across restarts.
2014-11-05 23:57 <smxy> Ones manually linked, I mean, not links made just because someone HGTPed in or out.
2014-11-05 23:58 <nebadon> is that just with Diva Distro?
2014-11-05 23:58 <nebadon> or is that in core too? I thought when you made a link on region cosole it didnt persist
2014-11-05 23:59 <nebadon> its been a long time since ive done that though
2014-11-06 00:00 <smxy> Yeah, I'm not sure. I could be wrong.
2014-11-06 00:05 <diva> it depends on the configuration
2014-11-06 00:05 <diva> the diva distro persists the hyperlinks
2014-11-06 00:07 <smxy> Ah. I'm not crazy then, and both nebadon and I remembered right. :)
2014-11-06 00:08 <Arielle_> maybe depends if you mean in the region or robust console
2014-11-06 00:08 <smxy> Mata Hari didn't say if it was with the Diva Distro or not.
2014-11-06 00:08 <Arielle_> robust doesnt seem to persist
2014-11-06 00:08 <nebadon> correct
2014-11-06 00:09 <nebadon> there may be options to do that with divas stuff
2014-11-06 00:09 <nebadon> and perhaps even options in core, but its not the default
2014-11-06 00:09 <smxy> I have a D2 running. Maybe I can spot the option.
2014-11-06 00:11 <diva> smxy: it has to do with the GridService database dll, iirc
2014-11-06 00:11 <diva> if it uses the Null one, nothing persists
2014-11-06 00:12 <diva> if it uses the MySQL one, hyperlinks persist. I don't remember the details though
2014-11-06 00:12 <Arielle_> my impression was that if you specifically create a link through link-region command, it would persist
2014-11-06 00:12 <smxy> StorageProvider in [GridService] ?
2014-11-06 00:13 <smxy> My D2 is using Diva.Data.MySQL.dll as the StorageProvider in that section.
2014-11-06 00:13 <diva> yes
2014-11-06 00:14 <smxy> That's the default in DivaPreferences.ini
2014-11-06 00:14 <diva> yes
2014-11-06 00:14 <diva> but the default for normal opensim is the Null storage, iirc
2014-11-06 00:15 <smxy> In a vanilla standalone, it's set to OpenSim.Data.Null.dll
2014-11-06 00:15 <smxy> So Mata Hari must be using your distro.
2014-11-06 00:15 <smxy> Or changed that setting in vanilla.
2014-11-06 00:17 <nebadon> ya default standalone behavior wont even generate a regions table
2014-11-06 00:17 <nebadon> you have to edit one of the ini files to enable that
2014-11-06 00:18 <nebadon> StandAloneCommon.ini maybe
2014-11-06 00:18 <nebadon> been a while
2014-11-06 00:19 <smxy> On the otherhand, I just checked the db for my vanilla standalone and it not only has a regions table, it's got many entries other than for its own single region, that are all hyperlinks.
2014-11-06 00:22 <smxy> Both of my vanilla standalones, in fact, in addition to my D2.
2014-11-06 00:22 <smxy> So maybe there is a bug after all.
2014-11-06 00:23 <smxy> As expected, my Robust grid only has entries for its own regions in its regions table.
2014-11-06 00:32 <nebadon> and its set for null smxy?
2014-11-06 00:33 <nebadon> under [GridService] in StandaloneCommon.ini?
2014-11-06 00:34 <smxy> yes
2014-11-06 00:35 <smxy> It's set to OpenSim.Data.Null.dll
2014-11-06 00:35 <nebadon> huh
2014-11-06 00:35 <nebadon> wierd
2014-11-06 00:35 <nebadon> its null in standalone.ini too
2014-11-06 00:36 <nebadon> if you get a chance can you fire up a brand new one?
2014-11-06 00:36 <smxy> Hmm. I looked in StandaloneHypergrid.ini and it's set the way I said. I didn't look in Common. Just a sec.
2014-11-06 00:36 <nebadon> maybe you did have it enabled at one point
2014-11-06 00:36 <nebadon> and a ini updated wiped it out
2014-11-06 00:36 <nebadon> however it wouldnt update if that were the case
2014-11-06 00:37 <nebadon> you wouldnt get new links that is
2014-11-06 00:37 <nebadon> oh
2014-11-06 00:37 <nebadon> the common one is the important one
2014-11-06 00:37 <nebadon> you never change the Hypergrid.ini one
2014-11-06 00:37 <nebadon> those shoul alwyas remain static
2014-11-06 00:37 <smxy> I didn't
2014-11-06 00:37 <nebadon> ok cool
2014-11-06 00:37 <smxy> In my StandaloneCommon.ini I have this:
2014-11-06 00:38 <smxy>     ;; For in-memory region storage (default)
2014-11-06 00:38 <smxy>     ;StorageProvider = "OpenSim.Data.Null.dll:NullRegionData"
2014-11-06 00:38 <smxy>     ;;--- For MySql region storage (alternative)
2014-11-06 00:38 <smxy>     StorageProvider = "OpenSim.Data.MySQL.dll:MySqlRegionData"
2014-11-06 00:38 <nebadon> well there you go
2014-11-06 00:38 <nebadon> thats not the default
2014-11-06 00:38 <smxy> Let me see if that's the default or I changed it.
2014-11-06 00:38 <nebadon> its not
2014-11-06 00:38 <smxy> You're correct.
2014-11-06 00:39 <smxy> But it would be something easily enabled if one were going through and switching from sqlite to mysql.
2014-11-06 00:39 <smxy> You might do it without thinking about it.
2014-11-06 00:40 <smxy> Which is probably what I did ages ago when I created it.
2014-11-06 00:40 <smxy> Perhaps Mata Hari did the same.
2014-11-06 00:41 <osmantis> Bug #7366:04 Service causes error with Mysql when logging in to my grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7366 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-06 00:42 <nebadon> ya perhaps
2014-11-06 00:42 <osmantis> Bug #7366:04 Service causes error with Mysql when logging in to my grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7366 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-06 00:44 <osmantis> Bug #7366:04 Service causes error with Mysql when logging in to my grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7366 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-11-06 00:45 <smxy> He added two non-standard options to his connect string and doesn't wonder why only he has to do that?
2014-11-06 00:47 <BlueWall> The thing about that mantis is things like map searches, landmark, picks, osTeleportAgent etc. that automatically link Hg regions are causing them to be persisted in the database. You would expect ones that you link manually to be there, but those behind the scenes ones should not.
2014-11-06 00:48 <AllenKerensky> and posted his server root/database password to a public site
2014-11-06 00:49 <BlueWall> 0.0
2014-11-06 00:57 <osmantis> Bug #7367:04 Standalone HG persisting URLs to regions table when it shouldn't 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7367 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-06 01:43 <Ken_S> Is the plan to merge the "Ghosts" branch into the Dev Master eventually?
2014-11-06 01:43 <justincc|2> yes, post conference
2014-11-06 01:44 <Ken_S> Thanks justincc|2
2014-11-06 01:44 <justincc> alright, I am close to drop dead point, everything else will have to wait a while longer :)
2014-11-06 01:44 <justincc> bye folks
2014-11-06 01:45 <Ken_S> bye justincc
2014-11-06 03:26 <smxy> I think that will have people complaining that they are missing attachments again, if I understand it correctly.
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2014-11-06 03:32 <Arielle_> that happens now
2014-11-06 03:34 <Arielle_> hopefully it will resolve the issue of needing to jump twice. First time so all the attachments are transferred and the second one  for the actual avatar transfer
2014-11-06 03:35 <Arielle_> then have to wait several minutes for the attachments to rezz 
2014-11-06 03:49 <smxy> I can't say as I've ever seen that behavior.
2014-11-06 03:49 <smxy> But that doesn't mean others haven't.
2014-11-06 03:50 <BlueWall> a lot of that would depend on the quality of the connection and servers
2014-11-06 03:55 <Arielle_> it does. Upload speed of the originating region.
2014-11-06 03:56 <Arielle_> but seems to be  more then just that
2014-11-06 03:56 <Arielle_> think a lot of male avi's dont see it cause they dont usually have a lot of attachments
2014-11-06 03:58 <BlueWall> I don't know if viewers still have the avatar cost tools, but that would be interesting to see how heavy it is.
2014-11-06 03:58 <Arielle_> heh mine usually isn't lightweight
2014-11-06 03:59 <BlueWall> also, what is your viewer graphics setting?
2014-11-06 03:59 <BlueWall> view distance, etc.
2014-11-06 03:59 <Arielle_> between medium and high
2014-11-06 03:59 <Arielle_> it varies between 32-300
2014-11-06 03:59 <Arielle_> doesnt seem to have any bearing
2014-11-06 04:00 <Arielle_> just jumped an hour ago with  distance at 32
2014-11-06 04:00 <Arielle_> took 2 tries
2014-11-06 04:00 <Arielle_> ver to my local one
2014-11-06 04:01 <Arielle_> from hosted server to local grid
2014-11-06 04:02 <Ubit> 2 jumps to get attachments?
2014-11-06 04:02 <Ubit> odd
2014-11-06 04:02 <Arielle_> two jumps, one sends the attachments, then times out and the next attempt succeeds immediately
2014-11-06 04:02 <Arielle_> but the avatar arrives  stripped of attachments
2014-11-06 04:03 <Ubit> hg or grid ?
2014-11-06 04:03 <Arielle_> can take a bit for the attachments to rezz
2014-11-06 04:03 <Arielle_> hg
2014-11-06 04:03 <Ubit> hmm ok
2014-11-06 04:03 <Arielle_> may happen on tp's but i dont try that a lot
2014-11-06 04:04 <Ubit> on normal tps i do see  other ppl avatars became invisible on some viewers
2014-11-06 04:04 <Arielle_> it  used to be on jumps that the avatar would go first  and then attachments catch up
2014-11-06 04:04 <Ubit> like fs..  but thats viewer issue
2014-11-06 04:04 <Arielle_> then code was changed to send attachments ahead
2014-11-06 04:05 <Arielle_> but seems to me that the "push" takes longer then a "pull"
2014-11-06 04:07 <Arielle_> meaning if i jump to another  grid with just wearables, it takes less time to then wear attachments then to send them ahead
2014-11-06 04:08 <Ubit> never looked to hg code :)
2014-11-06 04:08 <Arielle_> what you working on these days?
2014-11-06 04:09 <Arielle_> any Ode?
2014-11-06 04:09 <Ubit> ode is +- stable for now
2014-11-06 19:52 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/embed/bpnWHbs4EWg?rel=0&amp;autoplay=1;fs=0;autohide=0;hd=1;vq=hd1080
2014-11-06 19:53 <nebadon> git commit #'s for 2014 so far > http://pastebin.com/jwd6phHr
2014-11-06 20:00 <nebadon> 310 days :)
2014-11-06 20:00 <nebadon> 972 patches total
2014-11-06 20:57 <Dev_Random> nebadon:  do you have a "unique contributors" count?
2014-11-06 21:01 <dahlia> http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/832957/Dynamic-Bounding-Volume-Hiearchy-in-Csharp
2014-11-06 21:02 <Trinity93> neb show dev_random the contibutors video :P
2014-11-06 21:03 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION missed that pastebin link.

2014-11-06 21:03 <Dev_Random> (watched the video)
2014-11-06 21:37 <Plugh> dahlia: Long description for a not so short title. Might be quite useful for those working in that area of the code.
2014-11-06 21:43 <dahlia> Plugh: OpenSim lacks an efficient means of doing spatial queries. Something like that might help :)  Although Ive brought up the subject several times in the past and nobody seemed to care :/
2014-11-06 21:45 <dahlia> I should say it lacks a means of doing *efficient* spatial queries
2014-11-06 21:46 <dahlia> one can always just test every SOG/SOP linearly
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2014-11-06 23:36 <AliciaRaven> why does opensim use ionic.zip library and not the default .net gzip?
2014-11-06 23:36 <justincc> AliciaRaven: orenh says it performs significantly better
2014-11-06 23:37 <AliciaRaven> i have been trying to use it but it gives me crc check errors and the native version works fine
2014-11-06 23:37 <justincc> huh, how odd.  Not heard that before
2014-11-06 23:38 <justincc> but I've not tried to use it any other way
2014-11-06 23:39 <AliciaRaven> im using it to parse iar files in a region module and i cant see any difference with my code and the existing opensim read code but mine gives a crc error every time lol
2014-11-06 23:39 <AliciaRaven> not a big deal just wondering
2014-11-06 23:39 <justincc> yeah, don't know why that's hapepning
2014-11-06 23:40 <AliciaRaven> done a google search for "zlib iconic bad crc32 in gzip trailer" and seems like its quite common
2014-11-06 23:41 <justincc> huh
2014-11-06 23:41 <AliciaRaven> the exception ZlibException("Bad CRC32 in GZIP trailer. (actual(EC084966)!=expected(8FC3EF16))")
2014-11-06 23:53 <diva> justincc, are commits to master frozen at this point? Or can I push the viewer support modules I have been working on? I placed them on OptionalModules
2014-11-06 23:53 <justincc> you can push mater, only ghosts is frozen
2014-11-06 23:53 <justincc> master
2014-11-06 23:54 <diva> ok
2014-11-06 23:54 <diva> I'll probably send a message to -dev just to notify ppl about this
2014-11-06 23:54 <justincc> cool
2014-11-06 23:55 <diva> we have a first version of the viewer that shows different UI and controls depending on what the server commands
2014-11-06 23:55 <justincc> ok, that will be open source?
2014-11-06 23:56 <diva> yes, I'm just coordinating with pushing this up, because the viewer doesn't do anything different if these modules aren't enabled
2014-11-06 23:56 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-11-06 23:58 <nebadon> diva i meant to ask you is it difficult to keep OnLook code current with singularity master code?
2014-11-06 23:58 <nebadon> with all these mods?
2014-11-06 23:58 <diva> I think so, yes
2014-11-06 23:58 <nebadon> cool
2014-11-06 23:58 <diva> the mods are not that extensive
2014-11-06 23:58 <nebadon> i wasnt sure how radical it was at this point
2014-11-06 23:58 <nebadon> ya
2014-11-07 00:03 <diva> sometime next week I'll set up a little world that ppl can visit and test this viewer
2014-11-07 00:03 <ox64-p> oh cool
2014-11-07 00:16 <nebadon> diva we have a request for onlook
2014-11-07 00:17 <nebadon> have some where on the screen constantly what grid you are on or originated from
2014-11-07 00:17 <diva> already?! :)
2014-11-07 00:17 <nebadon> well
2014-11-07 00:17 <nebadon> fleep asked in general
2014-11-07 00:18 <nebadon> and i figured it would be good for onlook 
2014-11-07 00:18 <nebadon> would probably get picked up into main viewers possibly
2014-11-07 00:18 <diva> like the address bar on web browsers
2014-11-07 00:18 <nebadon> ya maybe Fleeps problem is she is in several grids at once
2014-11-07 00:18 <nebadon> with similar regions
2014-11-07 00:19 <nebadon> there is no really easy way to know for sure what grid your on
2014-11-07 00:19 <nebadon> or grid you came from say your at another grid
2014-11-07 00:19 <diva> yes
2014-11-07 00:30 <H-H-H> dont most viewers already do that in ther window title bar? i know astra and a few others i tried used to have that but cant say i have looked for t on recent viewers?
2014-11-07 00:30 <nebadon> it has my name
2014-11-07 00:30 <nebadon> but not grid
2014-11-07 00:30 <nebadon> when you have the same name in 10 grids
2014-11-07 00:30 <nebadon> its a big blur
2014-11-07 00:31 <H-H-H> hmm wierd coz i put it in astra client and i found it real usefull :) easy way to see what viewer was logged into what grid when viewers were mnimised
2014-11-07 00:31 <nebadon> hmmm ya im currently in replex but i think singularity is the same
2014-11-07 00:32 <nebadon> i cant say much for other viewers
2014-11-07 00:32 <paulieflomar> +1 for that feature!
2014-11-07 00:33 <paulieflomar> would be great to know where the heck you landed when HG..
2014-11-07 00:35 <AllenKerensky> mostly I've just been using a get_grid_info call for the current region host and parsing it onto a HUD to find this
2014-11-07 00:36 <H-H-H> im trying to find the commit where i added it to Astra
2014-11-07 00:37 <nebadon> thanks H-H-H
2014-11-07 00:40 <H-H-H> damn cant find it in main repo and i deleted mine a while back 
2014-11-07 00:42 <nebadon> bummer
2014-11-07 00:42 <NickyP> Kokua has the option to put grid name on the title bar
2014-11-07 00:43 <H-H-H> am looking through singu code at mo 
2014-11-07 00:43 <nebadon> nice NickyP
2014-11-07 00:43 <nebadon> now i wonder if its an option in Singularity / Replex
2014-11-07 00:43 <nebadon> and we just dont know it
2014-11-07 00:44 <nebadon> so many options...
2014-11-07 00:45 <justincc> death by option
2014-11-07 00:47 <nebadon> i dont see anything
2014-11-07 00:47 <nebadon> i'll try Kokua in a bit in a meeting at the moment
2014-11-07 00:48 <NickyP> Preferences->Kokua->General
2014-11-07 00:49 <LiruCookies> There's already a feature for this
2014-11-07 00:49 <LiruCookies> I think
2014-11-07 00:49 <LiruCookies> LiruGridInTitle
2014-11-07 00:49 <LiruCookies> It's a debug setting.
2014-11-07 00:50 <nebadon> aha
2014-11-07 00:50 <diva> I'm going to flip that to 1 in OnLook Liru
2014-11-07 00:50 <nebadon> let me try
2014-11-07 00:51 <LiruCookies> Sure!
2014-11-07 00:51 <H-H-H> just found it lool
2014-11-07 00:51 <nebadon> must need a relog
2014-11-07 00:51 <nebadon> it didnt change when i flipped
2014-11-07 00:54 <LiruCookies> Yes, it needs a relog
2014-11-07 00:55 <Melanie_> diva: I'm definitely in your corner to have this in core
2014-11-07 00:56 <diva> cool!
2014-11-07 00:57 <lillith_xue> awesome exactly what i need ;-)
2014-11-07 01:00 <LiruCookies> Actually, thinking about turning it on by default for Singu
2014-11-07 01:02 <paulieflomar> Doesnt seem to show grid name in Replex...
2014-11-07 01:03 <LiruCookies> You'll need a relog...
2014-11-07 01:04 <LiruCookies> replex is the same as Singu..
2014-11-07 01:04 <paulieflomar> trying it...
2014-11-07 01:06 <paulieflomar> On Kitely with Replex, changing setting and relogging, I see no difference in name reported on title bar. Maybe it doesnt work on Kitely.
2014-11-07 01:07 <LiruCookies> should
2014-11-07 01:10 <diva> I see it in OnLook when I flipped the setting
2014-11-07 01:11 <LiruCookies> You should see it anywhere with the setting...
2014-11-07 01:11 <paulieflomar> What should it look like? Should it show as: gridname,parcel, region?
2014-11-07 01:11 <diva> it's just the grid name
2014-11-07 01:11 <nebadon> hmm i guess you have to do this on a per avatar basis?
2014-11-07 01:11 <nebadon> are debug settings per user?
2014-11-07 01:11 <LiruCookies> Not that bar
2014-11-07 01:12 <H-H-H> astra used to say user@gridname
2014-11-07 01:12 <LiruCookies> The top bar, the window title
2014-11-07 01:12 <nebadon> ok i guess maybe because i didnt log out
2014-11-07 01:12 <nebadon> i was already logged in and changed debug
2014-11-07 01:12 <nebadon> and started a new viewer
2014-11-07 01:12 <nebadon> and it wasnt set when i logged in with different user
2014-11-07 01:12 <nebadon> but i set it again and restarted, now its working
2014-11-07 01:12 <paulieflomar> OH! I see it. My bad. heh.
2014-11-07 01:13 <paulieflomar> wait. It still says Kitely after I HG jump to OSCC Expo Zone 1, though..
2014-11-07 01:13 <nebadon> ya its probably always your home grid
2014-11-07 01:13 <paulieflomar> Maybe it doesnt change on HG jump, just logins?
2014-11-07 01:14 <paulieflomar> would be great if ti showed current grid.
2014-11-07 01:14 <LiruCookies> It's not going to show current grid.
2014-11-07 01:14 <LiruCookies> There's no way of knowing that
2014-11-07 01:15 <paulieflomar> It can't be done? bummer.
2014-11-07 01:16 <diva> it can't? I'm sure we can make it happen
2014-11-07 01:16 <diva> SimFeatures to the rescue! :)
2014-11-07 01:17 <LiruCookies> plus that'd defeat the point, say I was logging into the OSCC grid as Liru Faers, and I was logged into OSGrid as Liru Faers, if I jumped from OSGrid to OSCC, then they'd both say Liru Faers at OSCC
2014-11-07 01:17 <diva> we're already sending info that changes with the grid, like the map url
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2014-11-07 01:17 <BlueWall> ++diva
2014-11-07 01:18 <LiruCookies> What I'm saying is, the point of the grid being there is to differentiate which user is logged in, not to see what grid you are on right now
2014-11-07 01:20 <paulieflomar> How many times do we log two versions of the same avatar into different grids and then try to TP one of those to the grid where the other, conflicting avatar, is already logged in? That sounds like it would cause paradox and time-loop even trying it.
2014-11-07 01:21 <paulieflomar> heh
2014-11-07 01:21 <LiruCookies> I've done that a few times.
2014-11-07 01:21 <paulieflomar> And the grid doesnt bomb outright?
2014-11-07 01:21 <LiruCookies> Hm?
2014-11-07 01:22 <LiruCookies> "bomb outright"?
2014-11-07 01:22 <diva> I think showing the grid name is definitely a good thing
2014-11-07 01:22 <paulieflomar> I suppose the two same-named avatars would have different UUIDS, right? Even if the names were the same. The grid can handle that?
2014-11-07 01:23 <LiruCookies> They're different named, though
2014-11-07 01:23 <paulieflomar> oh, sorry. I musta misread your original post, thinking you had said the avatar names were identical.
2014-11-07 01:23 <LiruCookies> They'd be identical in the window title if it changed with hypergrid
2014-11-07 01:24 <paulieflomar> oh, yeah, the HG one would have @gridname whatever. I forggot thaty.
2014-11-07 01:24 <LiruCookies> Mhm
2014-11-07 01:25 <paulieflomar> Still, if we coul dsomehow show the gridname, I would still vote +1 for it.
2014-11-07 01:25 <paulieflomar> even if it could break in corner cases.
2014-11-07 01:25 <diva> yes, the grid name would be very useful. I'll see that SimFeatures sends it
2014-11-07 01:26 <LiruCookies> Oki, we could put it in the top bar.
2014-11-07 01:26 <LiruCookies> Yeah
2014-11-07 01:26 <diva> it's the window title, yes?
2014-11-07 01:27 <diva> yeah, I like it there
2014-11-07 01:28 <LiruCookies> The current gri should be next to the parcel, region
2014-11-07 01:28 <LiruCookies> I'm thinking parcel, region, grid
2014-11-07 01:28 <LiruCookies> But you need to make sure it's not sent to local users, then.
2014-11-07 01:28 <LiruCookies> Or you could have it sent.. but that'd be sorta stupid.
2014-11-07 01:28 <paulieflomar> Yeah, titlebar wouldnt show if viewer was in fullscreen mode.
2014-11-07 01:28 <H-H-H> imho just user@grid would be good so at a quick glance can see who is where
2014-11-07 01:29 <diva> http://imagebin.ca/v/1gMmyfxn7wRq
2014-11-07 01:29 <diva> the title bar doesn't show in full screen?
2014-11-07 01:29 <H-H-H> nope
2014-11-07 01:29 <LiruCookies> Nopenope
2014-11-07 01:30 <paulieflomar> it may be useful to allow friends to know what grid one's friends were on, across the HG?
2014-11-07 01:30 <LiruCookies> I'm talking about the status bar, the thing next to the menus
2014-11-07 01:30 <paulieflomar> or do we already know that?
2014-11-07 01:30 <diva> ok
2014-11-07 01:30 <paulieflomar> Statusbar woud be great.
2014-11-07 01:31 <LiruCookies> In v3 it's called the navbar
2014-11-07 01:31 <paulieflomar> What would it report when logged into standalones?
2014-11-07 01:31 <diva> standalones are also grids and have grid names
2014-11-07 01:32 <diva> "the lost continent of hippo" or something like that by default
2014-11-07 01:37 <diva> do ppl prefer the grid name or the grid url?
2014-11-07 01:39 <diva> the grid url is guaranteed to be unique
2014-11-07 01:41 <diva> you know what I'll send both
2014-11-07 01:50 <diva> Liru, the new variables are called GridURL and GridName, if they exist in the response
2014-11-07 01:50 <Melanie_> diva: anything regarding GridWhatever should NOT be in SimulatorFeatures
2014-11-07 01:50 <Melanie_> it should be in the login response
2014-11-07 01:50 <diva> why not? The search url and mao url is already there
2014-11-07 01:51 <Melanie_> putting it into simulatorfeatures means having to channel that info around all the sims
2014-11-07 01:51 <Melanie_> just so they can send it to a viewer that already knows the grid stuff from the login response
2014-11-07 01:51 <diva> but that's what we do for the map and search urls
2014-11-07 01:51 <diva> how else can it be done?
2014-11-07 01:51 <Melanie_> well, the search url can be set in both the login response and sim features
2014-11-07 01:52 <Melanie_> but as one of the poeople in the interest group for your project (corporate "suits") i know that if someone uses this to log into my coroprate presentation site
2014-11-07 01:52 <Melanie_> i want my corp's name to remain there
2014-11-07 01:52 <Melanie_> even if i am so gracious as to let them see HG destination
2014-11-07 01:52 <Melanie_> so it's stuf to be set once only
2014-11-07 01:53 <Melanie_> and that sort of stuff nbelongs in the login response
2014-11-07 01:53 <diva> so how can these grid-wide pieces of data flow to the viewer?
2014-11-07 01:53 <Melanie_> login response
2014-11-07 01:53 <diva> but ppl HG TP
2014-11-07 01:53 <paulieflomar> is loginresponse sent on HG jump, or is HG not a real  login?
2014-11-07 01:53 <diva> no
2014-11-07 01:53 <Melanie_> if they come through my website. melaniecorp.com, i don't want that to change to competitorcorp.com when they hg
2014-11-07 01:54 <diva> then maybe the login response needs a flag to indicate whether to update things or not
2014-11-07 01:54 <BlueWall> We're talking about a way to just see what grid we're on, right?
2014-11-07 01:54 <diva> because for most ppl who HG, seeing the grid they're in is realy important
2014-11-07 01:54 <diva> yes
2014-11-07 01:54 <BlueWall> Not changing the tag on the user name
2014-11-07 01:54 <diva> so if you see another way of doing it Im all ears!
2014-11-07 01:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #3869 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-07 01:56 <diva> can we change the TeleportFinish cap with more info?
2014-11-07 01:56 <BlueWall> We send things in the extras
2014-11-07 01:57 <BlueWall> Send those on teleport
2014-11-07 01:57 <BlueWall> Is that not the best place?
2014-11-07 01:57 <Melanie_> if this is really supposed to be changibg during hg then i'm wrong
2014-11-07 01:57 <Melanie_> then it does belong into sim features somewhere
2014-11-07 01:57 <Melanie_> i thought you were talking about something akin to branding
2014-11-07 01:58 <BlueWall> noooo
2014-11-07 01:58 <Melanie_> like showing where you came from
2014-11-07 01:58 <BlueWall> We have the name tag for that
2014-11-07 01:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3869: SUCCESS in 9 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3869/
2014-11-07 01:59 <osjenkins> diva: Added grid information to SimFeatures response, so that the viewer can show it.
2014-11-07 01:59 <Melanie_> the main thing, diva, to consider, is:
2014-11-07 02:00 <Melanie_> how much work is it to spread a setting around for those people who use text files for configuration
2014-11-07 02:00 <Melanie_> info that is needed only once at viewer start should be in the login response
2014-11-07 02:00 <BlueWall> ++
2014-11-07 02:00 <Melanie_> info that could change between regions or during hg teleport should be in the sim features
2014-11-07 02:00 <Melanie_> and data that can change at any time should be signalled on the event queue
2014-11-07 02:01 <Melanie_> and then picked up through a cap or other webapi
2014-11-07 02:01 <Melanie_> unless it's small, then it can be contained int he eq message
2014-11-07 02:01 <Melanie_> for people who ose a grid management system, use a grid daemon, load from database or run wifi
2014-11-07 02:02 <Melanie_> that is pretty much a nonissue
2014-11-07 02:02 <Melanie_> but those who hand-run the grid
2014-11-07 02:02 <Melanie_> some small ones are around who do that
2014-11-07 02:02 <Melanie_> everything you put into sim config will severely impact them
2014-11-07 02:06 <diva> yeah, I'm picking up the gridURL from the [Hypergrid] section, so that's generic
2014-11-07 02:06 <diva> anyway, we can talk more about the right thing to do this. I need to go cook dinner...
2014-11-07 02:06 <BlueWall> you can push from their Robust too.
2014-11-07 02:25 <dahlia> someone mention dinner? o.0
2014-11-07 02:36 <ox64-p> yeah im hand running my grid, because im too stpuid to know any better way to do it lol
2014-11-07 02:36 <LiruCookies> Melanie_: We don't need the url, the only good way to display it is user-facing, and that's going to be something short and sweet and a name.
2014-11-07 02:36 <LiruCookies> Err
2014-11-07 02:37 <LiruCookies> diva: We don't need the url, the only good way to display it is user-facing, and that's going to be something short and sweet and a name.
2014-11-07 02:37 <LiruCookies> Melanie_: Sorry, wrong person
2014-11-07 02:38 <LiruCookies> Just came back from dinner.
2014-11-07 02:52 <NickyP> Grid ID https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7833186/GridIDs.JPG why is there a need for more GridID?
2014-11-07 02:52 <NickyP> on OSCC HG tp to fleepgrid
2014-11-07 03:11 <NickyP> the HG landing region just should ID the grid in the About Land string.
2014-11-07 03:17 <LiruCookies> What is GridID?
2014-11-07 03:24 <NickyP> the name of the grid
2014-11-07 03:25 <NickyP> it's (ID)identification
2014-11-07 03:30 <LiruCookies> Um what?
2014-11-07 03:33 <NickyP> Look at the graphic where you tp from is shown and where you are is shown or identified. Why is more grid naming or identification needed?
2014-11-07 03:34 <diva> so Melanie_ the grid URL is already present in the sim configuration. The grid name isn't. It's under [GridInfo] which, in a robust-bound setting lieves in the Robust ini, not in the simulators. So sending the URL is no extra work. Sending the name requires the repetition of the grid name in the sims config
2014-11-07 03:40 <LiruCookies> NickyP: That's entirely different.
2014-11-07 03:41 <LiruCookies> That's like the opposite of what we're saying
2014-11-07 03:42 <NickyP> didn't the conversation start with have the grid name in the title bar?
2014-11-07 03:43 <Melanie_> diva: that assessment is correct
2014-11-07 03:43 <NickyP> and then also it being important to know where you are and where you came from?
2014-11-07 03:43 <Melanie_> and i see no way to get around that
2014-11-07 03:43 <Melanie_> no reasonable way anyway
2014-11-07 03:45 <diva> sending the URL is good enough, I would think. The url really is the unique address of the grid anyway. I can also strip everything except the domain name, so that it doesn't clutter
2014-11-07 03:45 <BlueWall> diva - look in /OpenSim/Services/GridService/GridService.cs @ SetExtraServiceURLs
2014-11-07 03:46 <diva> what is that BlueWall?
2014-11-07 03:47 <Melanie_> BlueWall: we don't want to go and cange interface verion
2014-11-07 03:47 <BlueWall> You can push things out to the region
2014-11-07 03:47 <Melanie_> that is worse than a config option that affects very few users
2014-11-07 03:47 <Melanie_> and to use that and guarantee it works, you do need to chaneg interface version
2014-11-07 03:48 <diva> did IGridService change?
2014-11-07 03:48 <Melanie_> afaik canges to thid are not necessarily transparent
2014-11-07 03:49 <Melanie_> a region cannot depend on certain values peing present
2014-11-07 03:49 <Melanie_> being*
2014-11-07 03:49 <Melanie_> that is the issue
2014-11-07 03:50 <diva> oh so now you can set those in RObust and then have the sims query it?
2014-11-07 03:50 <Melanie_> yes but you cannot guarantee they will be there
2014-11-07 03:50 <Melanie_> tht has been availabe for a while now
2014-11-07 03:50 <diva> I didn't know
2014-11-07 03:51 <diva> so that sort of solves the problem for ppl who want it solved
2014-11-07 03:51 <diva> We can have the gridservice peek in the GridInfo section too and grab the grid name
2014-11-07 03:51 <Melanie_> basically it could
2014-11-07 03:51 <BlueWall> yes
2014-11-07 03:52 <skittles> opens it up to spoofing though, doesn't it?
2014-11-07 03:53 <diva> not that I see
2014-11-07 03:53 <diva> ok, sounds good. I'll change this tomorrow
2014-11-07 03:54 <diva> but still I understand your concern Melanie_ that it's kinda lame to send this info on every TP. I don't see how to get around it at this moment
2014-11-07 03:55 <diva> plus from what I can see the viewer is really weird about requesting SimFeatures
2014-11-07 03:55 <diva> it seems to request that CAP all over the place, even when it doesn't have a child agent there
2014-11-07 03:55 <BlueWall> It is good to have some way to publish grid specific things on Tp
2014-11-07 03:56 <LiruCookies> We don't have to worry about it requesting the cap multiple times in my code, we only fire callbacks on changed values
2014-11-07 03:56 <diva> ok
2014-11-07 03:57 <Melanie_> simfeatures are both overused and abused
2014-11-07 03:57 <LiruCookies> That's why I wrote a template class to wrap types and call signals when they're changed only.
2014-11-07 03:57 <Melanie_> they are NOT meant for communication semisratic data
2014-11-07 03:57 <Melanie_> semistatic
2014-11-07 03:57 <Melanie_> maybe it's time to grab this bull by the horns
2014-11-07 03:58 <diva> maybe
2014-11-07 03:58 <Melanie_> and make new caps and messages - it seems it's time to cut the cord to sl
2014-11-07 03:58 <Melanie_> i wouldn't even be afraid of new udp messages at this point
2014-11-07 03:58 <Melanie_> slv1 is scheduled eol anyway
2014-11-07 03:58 <diva> I'm all for it. I just want to stay compatible with Sigularity, but I have no desire to stay compatible with SL
2014-11-07 03:59 <diva> They're about to do something else anyway
2014-11-07 03:59 <LiruCookies> They're not about to do something different compatible with modern viewers, though.
2014-11-07 03:59 <LiruCookies> SL isn't dying
2014-11-07 04:00 <dahlia> just being replaced
2014-11-07 04:00 <diva> do you know what they're doing, Liru, from a technical point of view?
2014-11-07 04:00 <dahlia> you change protocol then libomv needs the change also
2014-11-07 04:00 <diva> are they doing a different viewer for the same servers?
2014-11-07 04:01 <diva> or different servers all together?
2014-11-07 04:01 <LiruCookies> dahlia: The new platform isn't even a replacement for SL, it's another world entirely.
2014-11-07 04:01 <dahlia> from what I understand, there is no effort towards any compatibility with existing SL at all
2014-11-07 04:02 <LiruCookies> Different servers, it's probably slightly tweaked protocol combined with fresh engines and concepts.
2014-11-07 04:02 <dahlia> I seriously doubt it will use any existing SL protocols either
2014-11-07 04:02 <LiruCookies> One single new viewer that's at first closed source, no initial ability to transfer in old content, but L$ are shared between the old and new
2014-11-07 04:03 <diva> aren't they sharing ppl's accounts?
2014-11-07 04:03 <dahlia> probably in name only
2014-11-07 04:03 <skittles> their new client software will never be opensourced. it relies heavily on Havok libraries which are proprietary.
2014-11-07 04:04 <dahlia> well I'm in no hurry to emulate whatever they do anyway
2014-11-07 04:05 <dahlia> the 3d grahics world is a lot bigger than LL will ever be
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2014-11-07 22:47 <diva> The OSCC'14 program looks amazing! I'm getting to that peak point of excitment and nervousness... I hope the server performs!
2014-11-08 01:35 <smxy> I'm trying to figure out which page I access the streams from, since I neglected to get an in-person ticket, so ended up with streaming (which should be fine).
2014-11-08 01:37 <smxy> I hope it's a great conference, like last year's.
2014-11-08 01:38 <smxy> Ah, I see where the streaming links are. 
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2014-11-08 03:23 <osmantis> Bug #7368:04 old version of opensim fails to run with "type load exception" if built after a newer version is built 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7368 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2014-11-08 13:59 <Ken_S> Anyone know the link for the live stream for oscc14? Got tickets but no info on stream location
2014-11-08 14:04 <ssm2017> hello Ken_S i can see that on the page : http://conference.opensimulator.org/2014/program/ when hovering events, there is a link to a stream
2014-11-08 14:04 <Ken_S> Thanks!
2014-11-08 14:47 <smxy> When I click on the streaming link for the initial event, I get just a solid tan box on the page. Is this normal?
2014-11-08 14:50 <ssm2017> it looks like yes
2014-11-08 14:53 <smxy> ok
2014-11-08 15:01 <ssm2017> broadcast is starting now smxy 
2014-11-08 15:01 <smxy> yes, I see, but the audio quit ... and just came back
2014-11-08 15:02 <ssm2017> chris cllyns is speaking now
2014-11-08 15:02 <smxy> didn't look like many people in the audience - at least yet.
2014-11-08 15:04 <ssm2017> 92 people in my radar
2014-11-08 15:07 <BlueWall> \o
2014-11-08 15:09 <ssm2017> 100 now
2014-11-08 15:12 <smxy> audio is having problems.
2014-11-08 15:15 <Ken_S> Audio breaking up every now and then, but not bad at all.
2014-11-08 15:16 <smxy> Yeah, pretty good, for the most part.
2014-11-08 15:17 <smxy> Getting in-world would be nice.
2014-11-08 15:30 <smxy> Nice slam on the World Series, LOL
2014-11-08 15:34 <smxy> Did Oren just put the guy next to him, asleep? ;)
2014-11-08 15:34 <Ken_S> Its not that boring
2014-11-08 15:35 <smxy> I agree. But the guy next to him slumped over. :p
2014-11-08 15:36 <Ken_S> Yea, that guy needs to nudge his AV
2014-11-08 15:36 <BlueWall> Oren is asleep there
2014-11-08 15:37 <Ken_S> On the other hand, maybe he passed out from drinking too much
2014-11-08 15:38 <smxy> hehe
2014-11-08 15:39 <smxy> No, you work with the viewer deevs.
2014-11-08 15:39 <smxy> devs*
2014-11-08 15:40 <Ken_S> Now another one has passed out lol
2014-11-08 15:40 <smxy> If OpenSim doesn't cut the ties, I think it'll be completely left behind.
2014-11-08 15:45 <smxy> New avatar, but we still don't have the ability to cross borders with vehicles ...
2014-11-08 15:46 <smxy> Oh wow, Bluewall sounds like a Southern Boy. :)
2014-11-08 15:49 <Ken_S> Now he passed out too.  Must have had a big party all night lol
2014-11-08 15:50 <smxy> hehehe
2014-11-08 15:51 <smxy> I think when someone is talking, they forget to nudge their mouse.
2014-11-08 15:52 <smxy> Care to place bets on how long before Neb "passes out"? :)
2014-11-08 15:53 <BlueWall> haha, we're just a bunch of drunk monkies up there :D
2014-11-08 16:02 <smxy> not in a var you can't use ode
2014-11-08 16:25 <smxy> They could rewrite the wiki too.
2014-11-08 16:28 <smxy> I love your accent, Bluewall. :)
2014-11-08 16:31 <smxy> "Reality's overrated." That's the best line so far, Oreh. :)
2014-11-08 17:13 <smxy> two presentations have terrible sound and a third has none. Not good.
2014-11-08 17:14 <liftedpixel> Business track sim is doing well.
2014-11-08 17:15 <smxy> another presentation is mia
2014-11-08 17:16 <smxy> only Business presentastion is fine
2014-11-08 17:16 <smxy> That's sad.
2014-11-08 17:21 <Ken_S> I tried 32 and 64 bit Sing in-world and neither is playing the streams.
2014-11-08 17:21 <BlueWall> are you able to pickup the stream on the web?
2014-11-08 17:21 <Ken_S> Yes that works fine.
2014-11-08 17:22 <Ken_S> Bluewall, enjoyed your presentation!
2014-11-08 17:22 <BlueWall> Thanks, I had issues getting my mic unmuted and that made it interesting on my side
2014-11-08 17:23 <smxy> The only presentation I could hear properly is Bussiness
2014-11-08 17:23 <Ken_S> Something always goes wrong... but those are the parts we always remember lol
2014-11-08 17:24 <smxy> Loved your story Bluewall (and accent - swoons - LOL).
2014-11-08 17:24 <BlueWall> these things are being bounced through Skype to a moderator/streaming partner then out to OpenSim region - then streamed to Ustream
2014-11-08 17:24 <BlueWall> Haha, A son of the South :)
2014-11-08 17:24 <Ken_S> Bluewall, my Texas accent is 10 times heavier than yours, so don't let them tease you about it lol
2014-11-08 17:24 <BlueWall> haha
2014-11-08 17:25 <smxy> I'm not teasing! I, um, have a thing for guys with southern accents. :p
2014-11-08 17:25 <BlueWall> I guess that is the Scotch-Irish background
2014-11-08 17:25 <Ken_S> Bluewall, they are all just envious lol
2014-11-08 17:27 <BlueWall> Heheh, talking to speech-to-text apps is a trip sometimes.
2014-11-08 17:27 <Ken_S> Yes for sure lol
2014-11-08 20:01 <smxy> Is the jeynote going to have audio? All I hear are UI sounds from the viewer.
2014-11-08 20:02 <smxy> keynote*
2014-11-08 20:06 <smxy> There is NO audio on the dtream of the keynote.
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2014-11-08 20:06 <smxy> stream*
2014-11-08 20:07 <lillith_xue> can't hear it too, but maybe there is noone speaking ;-)
2014-11-08 20:08 <smxy> It's 8 minutes into the presentation and we're focused on someone at the podium. I'd expect there to be audio.
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2014-11-08 20:10 <smxy> He's "talking with his hands" too.
2014-11-08 20:10 <lillith_xue> its maybe the poseball ;-)
2014-11-08 20:11 <smxy> Finally 11 minutes in, we get audio. Wonder what we missed.
2014-11-08 20:11 <lillith_xue> there ;-)
2014-11-08 20:11 <smxy> Ridiculous.
2014-11-08 20:13 <lillith_xue> isn't actually Coffe break?
2014-11-08 20:19 <smxy> No
2014-11-08 20:21 <lillith_xue> what time is it there actually? im a bit confused
2014-11-08 20:22 <smxy> 12:22 PM in the conference. almost halfway through Rosedale's presentation.
2014-11-08 20:27 <lillith_xue> ah, thank you ;-)
2014-11-08 20:41 <djphil> heh tank's for sceen on tweeter Diva ^^
2014-11-08 20:42 <diva> awesone wabbit!
2014-11-08 20:42 <djphil> yup!
2014-11-08 21:00 <paulieflomar_h> LOVE the idea of other grids being stars in the OpenSim sky. That just *feels* right..
2014-11-08 21:01 <Plugh> Sounds a bit like something you would see in an SF movie
2014-11-08 21:01 <paulieflomar_h> yeah
2014-11-08 21:03 <paulieflomar_h> Looking up and knowing that those stars are places, gives me a visceral thrill...
2014-11-08 21:03 <paulieflomar_h> I would lay my avatar n its back and just gaze up in mouselook...
2014-11-08 21:03 <paulieflomar_h> :)
2014-11-08 21:04 <diva> that could be done
2014-11-08 21:04 <diva> ...
2014-11-08 21:06 <paulieflomar_h> oh, someone please make it happen. :)
2014-11-08 21:06 <diva> it totally could be done
2014-11-08 21:06 <lillith_xue> and a new idea has been born XD
2014-11-08 21:06 <paulieflomar_h> imagine if we could zoom in onthe "starmap," like Google starmap, and see names of the grids and click tojump. oh, the wonder.
2014-11-08 21:08 <paulieflomar_h> it feels so right.
2014-11-08 21:08 <paulieflomar_h> would smaller grids be dimmer stars?
2014-11-08 21:08 <paulieflomar_h> the possibilities...
2014-11-08 21:08 <lillith_xue> oh no, then my grid would be not visible at all XD
2014-11-08 21:08 <paulieflomar_h> heh
2014-11-08 21:08 <lillith_xue> its just 1 hige varregion ;-)
2014-11-08 21:08 <lillith_xue> *huge
2014-11-08 21:10 <paulieflomar_h> it would make the sky "useful" not just pretty.
2014-11-08 21:12 <lillith_xue> badly its not so easy to zoom into the sky, because you don't have objects there to click with the mouse ;-)
2014-11-08 21:12 <paulieflomar_h> I have often wished that opensim allowed regons to use custom skyboxes. we need that, anyway. 
2014-11-08 21:12 <paulieflomar_h> this would be part of the skybox overhaul, imagine.
2014-11-08 21:12 <smxy> custom skyboxes?
2014-11-08 21:14 <paulieflomar_h> Yes. Space regions, for xample, shuld not have to be inside fake "bubble" skyboxes.
2014-11-08 21:14 <paulieflomar_h> space region should be able to replace skybox with star imae.
2014-11-08 21:14 <paulieflomar_h> images
2014-11-08 21:14 <paulieflomar_h> or whatever image we desire.
2014-11-08 21:14 <lillith_xue> do we really need skyboxes anymore? i mean you always can create a new region for free ;-)
2014-11-08 21:16 <paulieflomar_h> the default  skybox is always there. would be cool to be able t customize it.
2014-11-08 21:16 <smxy> yes, but I can't turn off land and water in people's viewers and just present open space.
2014-11-08 21:16 <lillith_xue> well i like the dynamic sun raising and sky changing over time, how would you wanna do this with static images?
2014-11-08 21:18 <paulieflomar_h> an "always space" region, for space dofights, would wnt to be able to disable rising sun and have skybox always starss. 
2014-11-08 21:18 <paulieflomar_h> just an example
2014-11-08 21:18 <lillith_xue> im not sure if that would be too easy, i think water and terrain is hardcoded to the viewer
2014-11-08 21:20 <paulieflomar_h> right  now it is. :)
2014-11-08 21:29 <smxy> Well, in the viewer, you can turn those off quite easily.
2014-11-08 21:29 <smxy> But not from the server.
2014-11-08 21:29 <smxy> You simply don't render water or land or whatever.
2014-11-08 21:31 <smxy> But my region has no way to tell the viewer to not render stuff.
2014-11-08 21:31 <lillith_xue> hmm are you sure the viewer won't show terain if you don't send information? i think it would be a plane at zero. Thats how it looks while the terrain is loading.
2014-11-08 21:31 <smxy> I don't know about not sending it, but I do know the viewers can be told to not render them.
2014-11-08 21:32 <lillith_xue> hmm ok
2014-11-08 21:32 <lillith_xue> did you ever try to set the terrain texure to an 100% alpha one?
2014-11-08 21:33 <lillith_xue> idk if that is possible
2014-11-08 21:33 <smxy> Hmm. There is supposed to be a viewer dev panel now, but it's not on the air
2014-11-08 21:34 <diva> they are not talking
2014-11-08 21:34 <diva> thy're starting now
2014-11-08 21:34 <smxy> it's not on the air for streaming though
2014-11-08 21:35 <smxy> there we go
2014-11-08 21:36 <lillith_xue> hmm its so silent
2014-11-08 21:36 <smxy> volume level is very low
2014-11-08 21:36 <lillith_xue> yes
2014-11-08 21:36 <smxy> 'even though I have it cranked all the way up
2014-11-08 21:39 <smxy> audio is very poor
2014-11-08 21:48 <lillith_xue> ok sound is nearly dead on the Dev-Stream, can't understand anything anymore
2014-11-08 21:50 <smxy> I gave up on it and went to the content protection talk.
2014-11-08 21:50 <diva> it's back
2014-11-08 21:50 <diva> and with good quality now
2014-11-08 21:50 <paulieflomar> yeah sounds ok
2014-11-08 22:15 <smxy> Anything interesting come out of the panel?
2014-11-08 22:16 <antont> continuing still
2014-11-08 22:36 <smxy> I love how she says "inventory". Makes it sound special. :)
2014-11-08 22:37 <lillith_xue1> ;-)
2014-11-08 22:37 <smxy> Makes me think of "Fine Corinthian Leather". :)
2014-11-08 22:45 <antont> :)
2014-11-08 22:54 <smxy> I'd love to hear her say that famous line actually. I bet she'd say it as cool as Ricardo Montalban did. :)
2014-11-08 22:58 <smxy> Now that we could cut the ties of compatibility with SL, maube we could take the simulator out of the inventory loop.
2014-11-08 23:14 <smxy> Ask her to say "Fine Corinthian Leather". :)
2014-11-08 23:17 <lillith_xue1> XD
2014-11-08 23:19 <diva> did the deb track region just crash?
2014-11-08 23:19 <diva> did the dev track region just crash?
2014-11-08 23:51 <antont> hm so can i hg from the conf to the party place..
2014-11-08 23:51 <antont> probably yes if wasn't so clueless :)
2014-11-08 23:55 <lillith_xue> type "lfgrid.com:8002:Speakeasy" into your Worldmap-search
2014-11-08 23:55 <lillith_xue> that should work ;-)
2014-11-08 23:55 <antont> ah right that was it :p
2014-11-08 23:55 <antont> .. is i think 2yrs since did that previously *embarrassed*
2014-11-08 23:55 <lillith_xue> hehehe
2014-11-08 23:56 <smxy> You have 4 hours until the dance though
2014-11-08 23:56 <antont> and i think i have to be in a hg enabled place though, didn't work from Learning Lab where happened to be
2014-11-08 23:57 <antont> smxy: that's gonna be 6am so will be out by then :) .. but i guess could take a peek at the place anyway. listening to one of the recordings now too
2014-11-08 23:59 <antont> hee worked from welcome area, thanks!
2014-11-08 23:59 <LiruCookies> diva: Looks like
2014-11-08 23:59 <antont> yah i got kicked out from dev track place too, i think it worked again when went back though .. am not sure, went to other places for other reasons
2014-11-09 00:01 <LiruCookies> I kept walking off ito a corner then physics caught me, perhaps a thread got breakpointed?
2014-11-09 00:01 <LiruCookies> Is physics a thread?
2014-11-09 00:02 <antont> iirc yes but am not sure. probably yes though, opensim uses a lot of threads (and ages ago used a crazy amount :)
2014-11-09 00:06 <lillith_xue> oh, just found a sign flying in the sky on Expo Zone 4 owned by neb ;-)
2014-11-09 00:09 <diva> apart from this hicup at the end of the last session, the server performed flawlessly! Very happy!
2014-11-09 00:09 <diva> The same cannot be said of Skype...
2014-11-09 00:10 <antont> indeed
2014-11-09 00:10 <diva> skpye has been nose diving for a while
2014-11-09 00:10 <BlueWall> I upgraded my workstation this week and it is terrible. UI was luck to be able to get to the conference.
2014-11-09 00:10 <diva> maybe we can use High Fidelity's voice software next year!
2014-11-09 00:10 <BlueWall> I really enjoyed it.
2014-11-09 00:11 <BlueWall> maybe so :)
2014-11-09 00:11 <diva> I really enjoyed the conference too! Looking forward to tomorrow.
2014-11-09 00:11 <BlueWall> ++
2014-11-09 00:11 <antont> same here
2014-11-09 00:12 <paulieflomar> Good talks and the server did seem to perform admirably!
2014-11-09 00:12 <antont> diva: your talk was, again!, really helpful for me to understand hg and related issues more .. so thanks a ton!
2014-11-09 00:12 <diva> thanks!
2014-11-09 00:12 <antont> talked a bit of it with the meshmoon folks on irc actually .. also thinking related to the activities in that fiware eu thing
2014-11-09 00:13 <antont> watching video of the virtual research institutes talk from the learning labs now
2014-11-09 00:13 <diva> I'm somewhat susprised of why ppl have gone into adopting complicated security solutions instead of sticking to the simple ones
2014-11-09 00:14 <diva> The implementation of PKI in practice is simply terrible!
2014-11-09 00:14 <antont> i'm not sure how much complex oauth2 is compared to yours, apart from companies abusing the spec i guess .. but don't know really
2014-11-09 00:14 <antont> yah PKI related things have seemed really complex and difficult from the outside
2014-11-09 00:14 <antont> for the past 20 years..
2014-11-09 00:14 <antont> or 15
2014-11-09 00:15 <diva> These Certificate Authotities are not just single points of failure, they're also the basis for price inflation and making security inaccessible for the common people. It's terrible
2014-11-09 00:15 <antont> yah
2014-11-09 00:15 <antont> the making-friends over hg part was quite intesting :)
2014-11-09 00:16 <diva> yeah, those protocols are fun :)
2014-11-09 00:17 <smxy> Except that there are two grids I hate going to now because everytime I arrive I get the same friend request, even if I've ignored or declined it previously.
2014-11-09 00:17 <diva> we need to fix that bug...
2014-11-09 00:17 <diva> :)
2014-11-09 00:17 <diva> I get that in the CC grid too
2014-11-09 00:17 <diva> v annoying
2014-11-09 00:18 <smxy> In my case, I *think* the grid might be confusing me and a local-to-that-grid version of me, of the same name.
2014-11-09 00:18 <smxy> But I'm not sure. It's annoying in any case.
2014-11-09 00:19 <smxy> I love your accent, btw
2014-11-09 00:19 <diva> oh geez :)
2014-11-09 00:20 <diva> my Portuguese accent will never go away
2014-11-09 00:20 <smxy> hehe
2014-11-09 00:20 <smxy> There is a difference though, between CONtent creators and conTENT (how you say it) creators. :)
2014-11-09 00:21 <diva> oh yeah?
2014-11-09 00:21 <diva> what's the difference?
2014-11-09 00:21 <smxy> The first is what they make and the second is how they feel :)
2014-11-09 00:21 <diva> what's the right pronounciation in American English?
2014-11-09 00:21 <diva> oh!
2014-11-09 00:21 <smxy> CONtent
2014-11-09 00:21 <diva> oh wow
2014-11-09 00:21 <diva> I never realized that!
2014-11-09 00:22 <smxy> Well, it was easy enough to infer what you meant by the context. :)
2014-11-09 00:22 <diva> Thanks for telling me, and now I'm going to have to pause everytime I say that word!
2014-11-09 00:22 <smxy> lol
2014-11-09 00:22 <smxy> It's like how you say inventory :)
2014-11-09 00:22 <diva> do I say it wrong too?
2014-11-09 00:22 <smxy> You say it .... differently. :)
2014-11-09 00:23 <smxy> You say inVENTory
2014-11-09 00:23 <diva> yeah
2014-11-09 00:23 <diva> how do you say it?
2014-11-09 00:23 <smxy> We would say INventory. :)
2014-11-09 00:23 <diva> oh wow. Nobody ever told me that!
2014-11-09 00:24 <diva> so yours sounds more like inventry?
2014-11-09 00:24 <smxy> We out the accent on the first syllabal, you on the second.
2014-11-09 00:25 <smxy> Easy to know what you mean, of course. It's clearly just your accent showing. :)
2014-11-09 00:25 <smxy> And it's a nice accent. :)
2014-11-09 00:25 <diva> let me listen to google translate
2014-11-09 00:25 <BlueWall> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/inventory
2014-11-09 00:26 <diva> oh wow, I say it completely wrong
2014-11-09 00:26 <smxy> :)
2014-11-09 00:26 <smxy> I was trying to get someone to ask you to say "Fine Corinthian Leather". :P
2014-11-09 00:26 <diva> what?! :)
2014-11-09 00:27 <smxy> It's what I think of when you say inventory. :) It's a line from a auto commercial that Ricardo Montalban used to do. :)
2014-11-09 00:28 <diva> hehe
2014-11-09 00:28 <smxy> It always sounded cool when he said it.
2014-11-09 00:28 <diva> alright, I'll try to catch the party later
2014-11-09 00:29 <smxy> BYe :)
2014-11-09 00:34 <LiruCookies> diva: I like the way you say it!
2014-11-09 00:54 <antont> diva: oh didn't know it's portuguese :)
2014-11-09 00:54 <antont> i know some capoeira songs in portuguese
2014-11-09 00:58 <Plugh> Interesting first day at the oscc. Looking forward to tomorrows panels.
2014-11-09 01:01 <Plugh> smxy: hehe... I remember those commercials
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2014-11-09 01:35 <smxy> Plugh: :)
2014-11-09 02:36 <antont> am reading this about the redmatrix thing that someone mentioned during diva's hg talk, https://github.com/friendica/red/wiki/Zot---A-High-Level-Overview
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2014-11-09 11:17 <ssm2017> antont, this is me that has spoken about this red matrix
2014-11-09 11:18 <ssm2017> i have read somewhere that people building new social network systems like diaspora and muvim etc... are trying to worl together to build a common protocol to exchange identities and assets between networks, so i thought that hypergrid could play with them
2014-11-09 11:18 <ssm2017> s/worl/work
2014-11-09 11:19 <ssm2017> red matrix is an example but there are other mechanisms on the way
2014-11-09 11:20 <ssm2017> friendica, red matrix, gnu social...
2014-11-09 12:29 <antont> ssm2017: right - i looked at diaspora once, a couple of years ago, installed and ran locally .. thinking that we could use that within realxtend for auth, friends, inventory and such (we don't have own things for that, just simulator + viewer)
2014-11-09 12:32 <ssm2017> diaspora is one of the emergent new decentralized social networks (movim is another one based on xmpp)
2014-11-09 12:33 <ssm2017> for my opinion, the difference with 3d vw's is that there is a 3d scene but inventory and assets can be shared between websites in a common protocol
2014-11-09 12:35 <ssm2017> as you said
2014-11-09 12:39 <ssm2017> 3d vw's could only be a 3d representation of these social network accounts
2014-11-09 12:41 <antont> yep .. plus the scenes and games and whatever
2014-11-09 12:41 <antont> but no need to reinvent auth and storage and friends and chat and stuff if there are good things (like xmpp) for those already
2014-11-09 13:02 <ssm2017> i completely follow this point of view but sadly im not able to participate on this kind of developments (im just trying to think about the best thing that could exist)
2014-11-09 13:15 <RiRa> Is something broken in 0.8.0.2 var with linkset and scripted prim rotations ? the linked prims splatter in all directions. :(
2014-11-09 13:17 <antont> ssm2017: well i think that can help too .. me nor diva would not have known about redmatrix otherwise
2014-11-09 13:18 <RiRa> i think i need to use maby LINK_ROOT
2014-11-09 13:20 <RiRa> Ok. that where the problem
2014-11-09 13:25 <ssm2017> antont, remember that there are other protocols initiatives like friendica, and gnu social too
2014-11-09 13:28 <antont> ssm2017: yah that emphasizes that point even more, good if you can spend time to know those, perhaps test etc and think with regards VWs and tell devs things .. if someone works in that area at some point. i'm not sure if we will or not, on the realxtend side
2014-11-09 13:56 <ssm2017> if i could, i would, but i have no skills for that (im spending time to try to be able to maintain our grid first), but when i see some good things, i try to tell them to the world :)
2014-11-09 13:57 <antont> fair enough :)
2014-11-09 21:22 <velus7> dan dan dan
2014-11-09 21:22 <dahlia> diva: ty for the hypergrid talk. I wasn't aware of a lot of what was in there, especially the friends and authentication parts
2014-11-09 21:26 <diva> yw! were you there?
2014-11-09 21:26 <BlueWall> dahlia, where are you
2014-11-09 21:26 <BlueWall> :/
2014-11-09 21:27 <dahlia> diva: no, my nephew got married yesterday so it was an all-day and most of the night affair
2014-11-09 21:27 <diva> oh yes, I remember you said that
2014-11-09 21:28 <dahlia> BlueWall: at home :) need me to be somewhere?
2014-11-09 21:28 <BlueWall> in-world 
2014-11-09 21:28 <diva> I think the only ppl who know how the hypergrid really works are Melanie and I. Maybe orenh by now
2014-11-09 21:28 <dahlia> where in world?
2014-11-09 21:28 <BlueWall> missed you at the conference
2014-11-09 21:28 <dahlia> heh well I never had more than a crude idea how it worked ;)
2014-11-09 21:29 <dahlia> is conf still going on?
2014-11-09 21:29 <BlueWall> justin is about to talk, yes
2014-11-09 21:29 <dahlia> oh ok at keynote?
2014-11-09 21:29 <dahlia> not sure I have access to mich
2014-11-09 21:29 <BlueWall> developers breakout
2014-11-09 21:29 <dahlia> *much
2014-11-09 21:30 <dahlia> will see if it lets me in. I'm not registered
2014-11-09 21:31 <dahlia> 
ACTION often crashes rl conferences just for fun

2014-11-09 21:31 <BlueWall> :)
2014-11-09 21:32 <dahlia> oh it let me in
2014-11-09 21:34 <dahlia> do I need voice chat?
2014-11-09 21:34 <BlueWall> play media
2014-11-09 21:34 <BlueWall> music one
2014-11-09 21:35 <dahlia> oh ok there it goes
2014-11-09 21:35 <dahlia> cool story BlueWall :)
2014-11-09 21:38 <BlueWall> :)
2014-11-09 22:16 <smxy> Darn, I missed Justin's talk. I'll have to watch the replay later.
2014-11-09 22:22 <BlueWall> are the streams/videos online already?
2014-11-09 22:35 <velus7> danbanner
2014-11-09 22:35 <velus7> you about
2014-11-09 22:47 <velus7> danbanner
2014-11-09 22:47 <velus7> you about?
2014-11-10 00:03 <velus7> danbanner
2014-11-10 00:50 <danbanner> whats up velus7?
2014-11-10 00:50 <velus7> noting much im guessing you dont know who i am in the oscc then or skype to that
2014-11-10 00:51 <danbanner> no i dont know a velus in oscc or skype
2014-11-10 00:51 <velus7> its not velus on there
2014-11-10 00:51 <velus7> vlad ?
2014-11-10 00:51 <danbanner> ahh okay
2014-11-10 00:52 <danbanner> hard to know if you dont use same names
2014-11-10 00:52 <velus7> true i have used my rl name in skype lol
2014-11-10 02:12 <smxy> It was a great conference. Everyone who made it happen should feel good.
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2014-11-10 16:08 <zadark> For those that love this kind of tech. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTgzNTE
2014-11-10 20:18 <diva> does anyone know what's the funciton to detach attachs server side?
2014-11-10 20:19 <justincc> IAttachmentsModule.DetachSingleAttachmentToInv() is one
2014-11-10 20:20 <diva> oh hey justin. Tnanks
2014-11-10 20:20 <diva> did you recover? :)
2014-11-10 20:20 <justincc> not yet really, but other things to deal with now :)
2014-11-10 20:20 <justincc> probably will do that towards end of this week
2014-11-10 20:30 <nebadon> atleast we dont have to spent a whole lot of time figuring out what went wrong :)
2014-11-10 20:30 <justincc> ha, apart from that hg attachment issue
2014-11-10 20:31 <nebadon> it performed way better than i expected
2014-11-10 20:31 <nebadon> well HG needs a major audit
2014-11-10 20:31 <nebadon> regardless
2014-11-10 20:31 <nebadon> thats 1 of 1000 issues
2014-11-10 20:31 <nebadon> lol
2014-11-10 20:31 <justincc> I think a change I introduce to help with performance probably made an existing issue worse
2014-11-10 20:31 <justincc> but i need to look into it
2014-11-10 20:37 <dahlia> justincc: would you copy that announcement you made on opensim-users to opensim-dev? I suspect more people besides me haven't always suscribed to both lists
2014-11-10 20:37 <justincc> I crossposted to both lists
2014-11-10 20:37 <dahlia> oh? hmmm maybe gmail merged them or something
2014-11-10 20:38 <justincc> gmail does 'clever' things with mialing list posts
2014-11-10 20:38 <dahlia> ya it did, sorry :)
2014-11-10 20:38 <justincc> no worries
2014-11-10 20:38 <dahlia> 
ACTION blames justincc anyway....

2014-11-10 20:38 <justincc> ha
2014-11-10 20:46 <smxy> >[15:31] <nebadon> well HG needs a major audit <-- Anything that makes HG TPs, in particular, and anything else that works across the HG, work better, directly impacts people's experience with my HG hub, so if there's anything I can do to help test stuff (whenever you get to it), just let me know. :)
2014-11-10 20:46 <justincc> when I merge the ghosts stuff into master that would be good to test
2014-11-10 20:47 <smxy> I run close to HEAD, so that will definitely happen.
2014-11-10 20:47 <justincc> cool
2014-11-10 20:47 <nebadon> or better yet
2014-11-10 20:47 <nebadon> test ghosts
2014-11-10 20:47 <nebadon> before it goes into master
2014-11-10 20:47 <nebadon> if you can
2014-11-10 20:47 <justincc> shouldn't be too long, thuogh I do need to take a bit of time to rest first
2014-11-10 20:48 <justincc> yes, with ghosts I plan to look into this hg tp bug and properly make av to av collisions an option in bulletsim before merging
2014-11-10 20:48 <nebadon> just "git checkout ghosts"
2014-11-10 20:48 <justincc> otherwise those are regressions from master potentially
2014-11-10 20:48 <smxy> I might be able to, nebadon, but I'll have to modify my build scripts to handle something other than Master. I've been meaning to do it, but have never gotten around to it.
2014-11-10 20:48 <nebadon> ya its just that one additional line above smxy
2014-11-10 20:49 <smxy> I'll try it. My scripts create a working dir outside the git tree, checks out Master to it, then does a hard reset on it. Just need to make sure that all works for building non-Master.
2014-11-10 20:50 <nebadon> it does
2014-11-10 20:50 <nebadon> i usually do a reset after too
2014-11-10 20:51 <nebadon> its really no different than master
2014-11-10 20:51 <nebadon> it all works the same
2014-11-10 20:51 <smxy> okay, good to know.
2014-11-10 20:51 <nebadon> to go back to master its
2014-11-10 20:51 <nebadon> git branch master
2014-11-10 20:51 <nebadon> i think
2014-11-10 20:51 <nebadon> let me look
2014-11-10 20:51 <nebadon> too many damn git commands
2014-11-10 20:51 <smxy> hehe.
2014-11-10 20:52 <nebadon> ya thats it
2014-11-10 20:52 <nebadon> i rarely ever go back
2014-11-10 20:52 <nebadon> i usually just start fresh, but im mostly testing
2014-11-10 20:52 <smxy> Well, would I actually need to switch the git repo back? I always check out what I want to an empty work dir before each build.
2014-11-10 20:52 <nebadon> no just letting you know you can
2014-11-10 20:53 <nebadon> you can have multiple branches in one repo and just switch by using > git branch <name>
2014-11-10 20:53 <nebadon> just typing "git branch" alone will list the branches you have checked out
2014-11-10 20:53 <nebadon> and * the active branch
2014-11-10 20:54 <smxy> right. I always start with a git pull, to be sure I'm up to dte, then make an empty work dir, check out the code I want to build to the work dir, then build it.
2014-11-10 20:56 <smxy> I'm gonna have to get comfortable with git. I want to be able to make local changes and still track Master. Plus, we're likely going to switch to it at work, from svn.
2014-11-10 21:01 <Plugh> smxy: Don't get comfortable with git. That is when it will do something to bit you in the back side. ;)
2014-11-10 21:06 <smxy> hehe
2014-11-10 21:06 <Plugh> s/bit/bite/
2014-11-10 21:07 <Plugh> I stick to SVN for my own projects but I may break my rule about that as I am updating/enhancing a library and plan to share the results. I am thinking about whether to risk using git and make the code available via github.
2014-11-10 22:30 <diva> so iirc a conversation I had with Melanie_ at some point, forcibly removing attachs from avatars server-side doesn't quite work well. Or does it? Will the viewer know? Cos what I'm seeing in the code are just handlers for a viewer events, not the other way around
2014-11-10 22:34 <nebadon> diva there are ossl functions for attachments?
2014-11-10 22:34 <diva> are here?
2014-11-10 22:34 <diva> which ones?
2014-11-10 22:35 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsForceAttachToAvatar
2014-11-10 22:35 <nebadon> that might map it out for you
2014-11-10 22:36 <nebadon> that is without permissions too
2014-11-10 22:36 <nebadon> with permissions you can look at llAttachToAvatar() 
2014-11-10 22:37 <diva> does that really work? I mean osDetachFromAvatar?
2014-11-10 22:38 <nebadon> they should
2014-11-10 22:38 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsForceDetachFromAvatar
2014-11-10 22:39 <diva> ok, I'll give it a try
2014-11-10 22:40 <diva> thanks
2014-11-10 22:46 <justinccAfk> diva: yeah, the code invoked for those ossl commands should work fine - changing attachments is possible purely from server-side
2014-11-10 23:30 <Melanie_> diva: removing attachments does work
2014-11-10 23:30 <Melanie_> else LSL could not do it
2014-11-10 23:30 <Melanie_> it's clothing items the server has no control over
2014-11-10 23:30 <Melanie_> of course that refers to "texture based" clothing
2014-11-10 23:30 <Melanie_> not fitted mesh
2014-11-10 23:30 <diva> oh ok
2014-11-10 23:31 <diva> for some reason I can't make it work. I detach the attachs, and they come back
2014-11-10 23:32 <diva> maybe there's something special about the login
2014-11-10 23:33 <diva> in the log messages, I see the attach rezing, then I see my detach, then I see the attach rezing again
2014-11-10 23:34 <LiruCookies> You may need to force it out of the CoF? The viewer may be enforcing current outfit folder
2014-11-10 23:35 <diva> hmm, I just used the code I found in osDetachFromAvatar. There doesn't seem to be any provision for CoF in there...
2014-11-10 23:35 <justincc> no, I think it should just work.  How quickly do you log out after detach (not that this should really be a factor)
2014-11-10 23:35 <diva> I don't logout. This is on login
2014-11-10 23:36 <justincc> you detach after login?
2014-11-10 23:36 <diva> yes
2014-11-10 23:36 <justincc> but attachments immediately reappear?
2014-11-10 23:36 <diva> I want to remove all attachments when in camera mode
2014-11-10 23:36 <diva> yes
2014-11-10 23:36 <justincc> that is very odd
2014-11-10 23:36 <justincc> multi-attachments or just singles?
2014-11-10 23:36 <justincc> on each attachment point
2014-11-10 23:37 <diva> one single attachment in my test
2014-11-10 23:38 <justincc> and that attachment has a corresponding inventory item? (not that this shoudl matter)
2014-11-10 23:38 <diva> http://pastebin.com/95bC7i2B  <-- see the RezObject message, then "Forcibly detaching..." then the RezObject again
2014-11-10 23:38 <diva> yes, it's in the inventory
2014-11-10 23:38 <justincc> I wonder if this could be an interaction with hg, thuogh it really shoudln't
2014-11-10 23:39 <diva> this is not hg, this is a straight login
2014-11-10 23:39 <justincc> interesting also that it's 4 seonds later
2014-11-10 23:39 <justincc> right, but stuff still flows through HG code, like HGScene
2014-11-10 23:40 <justincc> coincidentally, 4 seconds is the pause in processing the wearables request from the viewer, though that shouldn't really be coming into play here
2014-11-10 23:40 <diva> I suspect Liru may be right, and that this has something to do with the CoF
2014-11-10 23:41 <justincc> the command "debug attachments log 1" would turn on some more attachments logging
2014-11-10 23:41 <justincc> which may or may not help
2014-11-10 23:41 <diva> let me turn it on
2014-11-10 23:41 <justincc> and the damn code has a bug in its response message...
2014-11-10 23:42 <justincc> unrelated to this, just text
2014-11-10 23:42 <justincc> this code also has regression tests so i would be surprised if it's broken in a simple manner
2014-11-10 23:42 <diva> well, the more verbose log just confirms the fact
2014-11-10 23:42 <justincc> might be some viewer interaction
2014-11-10 23:43 <diva> 4 seconds again
2014-11-10 23:43 <justincc> ok not sure, but that 4 seconds is suspicious if it's consistently that
2014-11-10 23:43 <justincc> yeah
2014-11-10 23:44 <justincc> maybe do "debug lludp packet 1" and see what the udp message exchange is like with the viewer
2014-11-10 23:44 <diva> I have no doubt this is coming from the viewer
2014-11-10 23:45 <LiruCookies> I'm thinking inventory loading might be mistaken for a cof change and might queue an attach callback.
2014-11-10 23:45 <diva> I am more suspicious of osDetachFromAvatar, though... let me test if that really works
2014-11-10 23:49 <diva> ok, osForceDetachFromAvatar works
2014-11-10 23:49 <diva> so it must be some bad timing at login
2014-11-10 23:49 <justincc> ahh
2014-11-10 23:49 <justincc> you're doing it literally immediately after login?
2014-11-10 23:49 <diva> yes
2014-11-10 23:50 <justincc> yheah, this does not surprise me then
2014-11-10 23:50 <diva> ok, let me brute force a delay
2014-11-10 23:50 <justincc> there is a whole complicated set of stuff going on to enforce the server's view of attachments and ignore the cof....
2014-11-10 23:50 <justincc> that may well be getting caught up in that
2014-11-10 23:52 <diva> ok that worked!
2014-11-10 23:52 <diva> Now wondering if there's a nicer way of doing this...
2014-11-10 23:53 <justincc> I suspect nothing easy
2014-11-10 23:54 <justincc> is it completely necessary to detach at login?  can't be done already before?
2014-11-10 23:54 <Melanie_> diva: yes there is
2014-11-10 23:54 <Melanie_> when appearance is read from storage
2014-11-10 23:54 <Melanie_> you can filter it there so it never gets attached
2014-11-10 23:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #3870 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-10 23:55 <diva> oh?
2014-11-10 23:56 <diva> Melanie_ is there an event for that?
2014-11-10 23:56 <Melanie_> no but it would be ok, i believe, in core, to have soemthing like sp.BlacklistAttachment(assetID)
2014-11-10 23:57 <Melanie_> or even on the attachmentsmodule
2014-11-10 23:57 <justincc> why not just remove the attachment before any login occurs?
2014-11-10 23:57 <Melanie_> remove it when, and from where?
2014-11-10 23:58 <justincc> from the avatar service data
2014-11-10 23:58 <Melanie_> justincc: something i'm currently working on for xmas release may yield SSA as a byproduct
2014-11-10 23:58 <Melanie_> if so, opensim gets it
2014-11-10 23:58 <justincc> ssa?
2014-11-10 23:58 <Melanie_> server side appearance
2014-11-10 23:58 <Melanie_> aka ssb
2014-11-10 23:59 <diva> justincc I can't guess which users are going to login where
2014-11-10 23:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3870: SUCCESS in 8 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3870/
2014-11-10 23:59 <justincc> diva: but they need to be stripped of particular attachments?
2014-11-10 23:59 <osjenkins> justincc: minor: correct console response when setting attachments logging level
2014-11-10 23:59 <diva> they need to be striped off of all attachments
2014-11-11 00:00 <diva> this is for the camera-only mode
2014-11-11 00:00 <justincc> diva: how abuot just disable attachments module entirely?
2014-11-11 00:00 <diva> the avatar itself is being filtered by the viewer, but the viewer can't easily not show the attachments, so I have to do it server side
2014-11-11 00:00 <diva> this is not for all users, justin, just some
2014-11-11 00:01 <diva> the server decides on the UI based on the user level
2014-11-11 00:01 <diva> we don't want nebadon to login in camera-only mode, or he'll have a heart attack!
2014-11-11 00:02 <nebadon> haha
2014-11-11 00:02 <nebadon> it feels so uncomfortable to me
2014-11-11 00:03 <justincc> possibly the neat way would be to have some further flag on ScenePresence to say whether attachments should be rezzed or not
2014-11-11 00:03 <nebadon> user level
2014-11-11 00:03 <justincc> then you don't have to put something in all attahcment modules
2014-11-11 00:03 <diva> yeah
2014-11-11 00:03 <justincc> user levle is kind of an odd property for that though
2014-11-11 00:04 <justincc> the trigger point is in ScenePresence.MakeRootAgent()
2014-11-11 00:04 <justincc> where scene calls IAttachmentsModule.RezAttachments()
2014-11-11 00:04 <nebadon> or group role
2014-11-11 00:04 <justincc> atm, it is triggered if presence is an npc or a real login.  Posisbly one could check a further property there
2014-11-11 00:04 <diva> let me check
2014-11-11 00:04 <nebadon> but you can only have so many roles
2014-11-11 00:04 <nebadon> which kind of sucks
2014-11-11 00:04 <justincc> hooking in an event is more awkward, though would allow arbitrary stuff like userlevel
2014-11-11 00:04 <nebadon> its 7 or 8 according to fleep
2014-11-11 00:04 <justincc> I don't think you want to hardcode userlevel as an attachments rezzing thing
2014-11-11 00:05 <diva> no
2014-11-11 00:06 <diva> yeah that conditional there is ripe for being made a little bit more than what it currenlty is
2014-11-11 00:06 <justincc> yeah, maybe to call out to some event that can be hooked to say whether attachments should rez
2014-11-11 00:06 <justincc> don't know if one would call that a permission or not
2014-11-11 00:06 <diva> oh but wait
2014-11-11 00:07 <diva> the comment there says something about CoF
2014-11-11 00:07 <diva> it looks like in modern viewers the attachs are rezed by the viewer anyway
2014-11-11 00:07 <justincc> mmm, I think that comment is now inaccurate
2014-11-11 00:07 <justincc> we do end up ignoring the viewer cof
2014-11-11 00:07 <diva> but that's probably because we rez the attachments there
2014-11-11 00:08 <diva> so they're already rezzed by the time the viewer request comes in
2014-11-11 00:08 <justincc> I would suggest commenting out the attachments rez and see what happens with your viewer
2014-11-11 00:08 <justincc> that's possible
2014-11-11 00:08 <diva> i can do that
2014-11-11 00:14 <smxy> Justin, you haven't committed the security fix yet, right?
2014-11-11 00:14 <justincc> no, that will be tomorrow
2014-11-11 00:14 <smxy> Ah, okay.
2014-11-11 00:19 <diva> yeah, it not being rezzed, but that's probably because of some other part of the code. The viewer still has the link in the CoF
2014-11-11 00:19 <diva> and that's not good
2014-11-11 00:20 <justincc> yeah, only real alternative may be to add some check to the attachments module itself on all inbound calls
2014-11-11 00:20 <justincc> and at some point abstract that so not absolutely every module needs to reimplement it
2014-11-11 00:21 <diva> that check is already there, "alreadyOn"
2014-11-11 00:21 <justincc> every attachments module, not that there are any others
2014-11-11 00:23 <justincc> true, so the cof should be ignored
2014-11-11 00:23 <justincc> still
2014-11-11 00:24 <diva> are there still any viewers that don't have CoF?
2014-11-11 00:25 <LiruCookies> Imprudence doesn't count.
2014-11-11 00:25 <justincc> Probably just stuff like Imprudence.  But I think Melanie_ hated the cof for reasons I cannot remember
2014-11-11 00:26 <LiruCookies> Imprudence has been dead too long, but it's the only one that may still be in use besides SL 1.23 that lacks CoF
2014-11-11 00:26 <justincc> so there are a bunch of gymanstics in the code to ignore such requests coming from the viewer.
2014-11-11 00:26 <Melanie_> the cof is a flawed concept because it means extra fetches to inventory, latency and the issues that arise when inventory reads and writes overlap
2014-11-11 00:26 <Melanie_> appearance is not actually stored in the cof in opensim
2014-11-11 00:26 <Melanie_> it is still stored in the appearance table
2014-11-11 00:26 <Melanie_> the cof is simulated
2014-11-11 00:28 <diva> ok well, filtering the attachments on login is not clean, because the viewer thinks they are there, and even if they aren't rezed, it leave sthe viewer in an inconsistent state. So I'm down to let it rez, detach a few seconds later
2014-11-11 00:29 <justincc> such users still have inventory for you?
2014-11-11 00:29 <justincc> on those regions?
2014-11-11 00:29 <diva> they do. it's just not available thorugh thr interface
2014-11-11 00:29 <diva> no inventory button, no ctrnl-I
2014-11-11 00:29 <justincc> so they could still potentially see attachments attached in inventory when they are not?
2014-11-11 00:30 <diva> I just don't want to mess their appearance up
2014-11-11 00:30 <justincc> for if they jump away?
2014-11-11 00:30 <diva> yes
2014-11-11 00:30 <justincc> yeah.... so you're going to actually reattach stuff just nbefore they jump out?
2014-11-11 00:30 <justincc> mmmm
2014-11-11 00:30 <justincc> maybe not necessary
2014-11-11 00:30 <diva> no, I'd leave it detached
2014-11-11 00:31 <diva> but at least the viewer is consistent
2014-11-11 00:31 <justincc> I mean, it might be that they will reappear on jump out
2014-11-11 00:31 <diva> ther will be no broken link in the CoF
2014-11-11 00:31 <justincc> because it should be consulting the attachment list, which still has them
2014-11-11 00:31 <diva> oh, there's a thought
2014-11-11 00:31 <justincc> although no scene object....
2014-11-11 00:31 <justincc> not sure
2014-11-11 00:31 <justincc> I think it might be ok
2014-11-11 00:32 <justincc> but they're always guaranteed to be logging in directly to that region?
2014-11-11 00:32 <justincc> or could them come from an existing login?
2014-11-11 00:32 <diva> no, this can be direct TP, eitehr local or HG
2014-11-11 00:32 <diva> in  fact I'm going to put a grid out there this week where ppl can try this out
2014-11-11 00:32 <justincc> right, so rezzing attachments from tp is a differnet path
2014-11-11 00:32 <diva> yer
2014-11-11 00:32 <diva> yes
2014-11-11 00:33 <diva> I just happened to run across this issue because I'm testing with a direct login
2014-11-11 00:33 <justincc> direct login I would be somewhat optimistic you could just ignore rez attachments and they will still appear in the user's next region
2014-11-11 00:33 <justincc> becaus eit's consuting that attachments list bound to sp
2014-11-11 00:34 <justincc> but can't say for sure
2014-11-11 00:36 <justincc> diva: ah sorry no, not going to work
2014-11-11 00:36 <justincc> AttachmentsModule.CopyAttachments() does rely on SOGs being present
2014-11-11 00:38 <diva> ok, well, I'll start doing this by detaching the attachments. That will result is a consistent detach for local users, and a fake detach for HG users
2014-11-11 00:39 <diva> HG users never get the detachments transmited back to their home world
2014-11-11 00:41 <justincc> ok, I'm going to take a break now.  Goodnight everyone
2014-11-11 00:56 <BlueWall> has anyone seen an error like this building master on Windows: http://pastebin.com/8adMsJ7L ?
2014-11-11 00:58 <smxy> Someone reported that just recently.
2014-11-11 01:00 <BlueWall> I thought I saw something about it. 
2014-11-11 01:01 <smxy> I know I saw something about just that not too long ago.
2014-11-11 01:05 <danbanner> compiled fine on win7 64 for myself
2014-11-11 01:06 <BlueWall> I probably have something in the build env setup wrong
2014-11-11 01:07 <BlueWall> do you just use compile.bat?
2014-11-11 01:13 <danbanner> ya i just used the bat files
2014-11-11 01:13 <BlueWall> it's odd
2014-11-11 01:15 <MarcusLlewellyn> JUst built fine for me as well. I pulled from master, opened a VS2010 command prompt, ran runprebuild.bat then msbuild.
2014-11-11 01:15 <smxy> AFrom Nov 5th: [09:49] <Taoki> Hi everyone. Latest GIT master appears to fail to compile: `CompressionLevel' is an ambiguous reference between `System.IO.Compression.CompressionLevel' and `Ionic.Zlib.CompressionLevel'
2014-11-11 01:16 <BlueWall> how do you get the VS cl?
2014-11-11 01:16 <smxy> You talked to them about it, BlueWall.
2014-11-11 01:16 <BlueWall> that is where I saw it - that was Linux
2014-11-11 01:16 <BlueWall> OpenSuSE 13.2
2014-11-11 01:16 <MarcusLlewellyn> I *think* 2010 creats a command line shortcut in the start menu.
2014-11-11 01:16 <BlueWall> and I upgraded to test it
2014-11-11 01:16 <smxy> ah, yes, it was.
2014-11-11 01:17 <BlueWall> ok, I'll try that
2014-11-11 01:17 <smxy> [13:50] <Taoki> nebadon: Linux. openSUSE 13.2 x64
2014-11-11 01:17 <AllenKerensky> smxy using xbuild instead of nant seems to avoid that issue
2014-11-11 01:17 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yeah... there's one for 2010 in the start menu. 2012+ doesn't have one, annoyingly.
2014-11-11 01:17 <MarcusLlewellyn> nant has been deprecated by mono for ages now.
2014-11-11 01:18 <smxy> I haven't used nant in years.
2014-11-11 01:18 <BlueWall> I guess this is 2012
2014-11-11 01:19 <MarcusLlewellyn> I think there's a .bat hidden somewhere for setting up a command line evironment for 2012, but would have to google fer it.
2014-11-11 01:19 <BlueWall> this says version 4.0.30319
2014-11-11 01:19 <BlueWall> that must be 2010?
2014-11-11 01:20 <BlueWall> else it shoudl be 4.5?
2014-11-11 01:20 <MarcusLlewellyn> Huh. MSDN claims 2012 has one. I must be mistaken about it not having it.
2014-11-11 01:21 <BlueWall> I kthink I'll build it on Linux and push it
2014-11-11 01:21 <BlueWall> can worry about the build fail later
2014-11-11 01:21 <MarcusLlewellyn> I've had problems with mono builds running under windows. :(
2014-11-11 01:21 <BlueWall> Bahhhh
2014-11-11 01:23 <MarcusLlewellyn> 2012 has one. Search your start menu for "Developer Command" and it should popup.
2014-11-11 01:23 <MarcusLlewellyn> Sometimes I think I'm just senile.
2014-11-11 01:23 <BlueWall> you know, I may have just installed some runtime
2014-11-11 01:23 <BlueWall> I saw a link for developers, but took the other
2014-11-11 01:25 <MarcusLlewellyn> It used to be you could get the whole .NET SDK with build tools with 1.0 and 1.1. Maybe that stuff only comes with VS now.
2014-11-11 01:25 <BlueWall> 2010 express?
2014-11-11 01:25 <MarcusLlewellyn> I use express 2010 and 2012.
2014-11-11 01:25 <BlueWall> they say you need a subscription for 2012
2014-11-11 01:25 <BlueWall> I'll go for 10
2014-11-11 01:26 <MarcusLlewellyn> I stick with 10 for compiling OpenSim, just cuz that was the latest officially supported as far as I know.
2014-11-11 01:27 <BlueWall> I don't really see a download for it
2014-11-11 01:27 <BlueWall> just an update
2014-11-11 01:27 <MarcusLlewellyn> 2010 is now hidden away, but I'm pretty sure you can still get it.....
2014-11-11 01:27 <BlueWall> update 3
2014-11-11 01:27 <BlueWall> is that it?
2014-11-11 01:28 <MarcusLlewellyn> http://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/downloads#d-2010-express
2014-11-11 01:28 <MarcusLlewellyn> I grab the all-in-one ISO myself.
2014-11-11 01:30 <BlueWall> yeah, I was on that link it takes me back to the new/pay one
2014-11-11 01:30 <BlueWall> I have msbuild
2014-11-11 01:30 <BlueWall> it says framework 4.0
2014-11-11 01:30 <MarcusLlewellyn> Works for me wierd. Try this: http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9709969
2014-11-11 01:31 <BlueWall> so that should be enough
2014-11-11 01:31 <MarcusLlewellyn> my msbuild reports 4.0.30319.33440
2014-11-11 01:32 <BlueWall> does that iso mount into the filesystem?
2014-11-11 01:32 <MarcusLlewellyn> For Win7 I use a utility to mount ISOs. Win8 lets you mount them natively.
2014-11-11 01:32 <BlueWall> ohh
2014-11-11 01:32 <BlueWall> lol
2014-11-11 01:32 <BlueWall> this is too weird
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2014-11-11 04:31 <diva> weird. I'm doing a git pull on an old installation, and I don't get any of the ,ini and .ini.example files... any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
2014-11-11 04:34 <diva> n/m was on an old branch
2014-11-11 05:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #3871 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-11 05:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3871: SUCCESS in 4 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3871/
2014-11-11 05:23 <osjenkins> diva: Add additional viewer support modules that allow certain viewers to modify their UI on the fly.
2014-11-11 06:36 <dahlia_> catchy tune :)  echo "main(i){for(i=0;;i++)putchar(((i*(i>>8|i>>9)&46&i>>8))^(i&i>>13|i>>6));}" | gcc -x c - && ./a.out | aplay
2014-11-11 07:52 <RazWelle1> Selling parcels in opensim grid mode, can't seem to do it, anybody have suggestions? x.x I set SellEnabled to true too
2014-11-11 07:56 <dahlia> RazWelle1: land is cheap. Sell regions instead 
2014-11-11 08:03 <RazWelle1> dahlia: A friend of mine is trying to get podex working so they require a parcel set up on the welcome region
2014-11-11 08:04 <dahlia> ya I never use any parcel stuff, maybe someone else knows
2014-11-11 08:04 <RazWelle1> 
ACTION nods

2014-11-11 08:05 <RazWelle1> dahlia: what're you messing with these days btw :)
2014-11-11 08:05 <dahlia> sekrit :)
2014-11-11 08:05 <RazWelle1> hehe
2014-11-11 08:06 <RazWelle1> I'm playing with android again
2014-11-11 08:06 <RazWelle1> the 3D libraries finally caught up
2014-11-11 08:06 <RazWelle1> and do proper GPU skinning so I don't have to xD
2014-11-11 08:07 <dahlia> cool
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2014-11-11 09:00 <osmantis> Bug #7359:04 Datasnapshot not making snapshots - PGSQL adapter related? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7359 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-11 10:28 <ssm2017[Away]> RazWelle1, http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Economy
2014-11-11 14:24 <nebadon> BlueWall i upgraded one of my virtualbox machines from 13.1 to 13.2 last night, KDE of course, it went well, seems nice so far, they changed the look a little bit since 13.1 nice changes
2014-11-11 14:24 <nebadon> upgrade actually went much better than it has in the past for me
2014-11-11 14:25 <BlueWall> I am going to make a clean start on another partition.
2014-11-11 14:26 <BlueWall> There may be some things that I am using that are not in the distro that are causing me to crash
2014-11-11 14:26 <BlueWall> I think I have replaced some libs with newer versions too
2014-11-11 14:28 <BlueWall> And, my home directory has things from Slackware days and all the OpenSuSE releases I have run from 11.0 or so.
2014-11-11 14:29 <nebadon> ya that is bad
2014-11-11 14:29 <nebadon> infact there was explicit warnings not to upgrade from 11 to 12
2014-11-11 14:30 <nebadon> i remember that going horribly wrong for me 
2014-11-11 14:30 <BlueWall> those things are in my home dir. configs, etc.
2014-11-11 14:30 <nebadon> ya still
2014-11-11 14:30 <BlueWall> right
2014-11-11 14:30 <nebadon> could be problematic
2014-11-11 14:30 <BlueWall> I'm making a clean setup
2014-11-11 14:30 <nebadon> ya, you should definitely give KDE a shot
2014-11-11 14:31 <BlueWall> I am
2014-11-11 14:31 <nebadon> the new version is soo much better than in the past
2014-11-11 14:31 <BlueWall> I think they have an old-style gnome WM too
2014-11-11 14:32 <BlueWall> this new one, you can't even set the behavior
2014-11-11 14:32 <nebadon> hmm maybe, im sure you could get just about any ui installed
2014-11-11 14:32 <nebadon> no doubt there are repos with older gnome, or cinnamon
2014-11-11 14:32 <nebadon> you know
2014-11-11 14:32 <BlueWall> Sat. morning I would try to toggle a window out of the way and it would stick to my mouse pointer
2014-11-11 14:32 <nebadon> that could be becaue of your old config folders
2014-11-11 14:32 <BlueWall> one time I slid my viewer all the way off the screen and couldn't get it back, lol
2014-11-11 14:33 <nebadon> lol
2014-11-11 14:33 <BlueWall> at one of the panels 0.0
2014-11-11 14:33 <BlueWall> I struggled through a lot of that cc behind the scenes
2014-11-11 14:33 <nebadon> ya that sucks for sure
2014-11-11 14:34 <BlueWall> I need to use VirtualBox to do quick testing from now on too ...
2014-11-11 14:34 <nebadon> im going to try something once my vm reboot
2014-11-11 14:34 <nebadon> yes
2014-11-11 14:34 <nebadon> i always do a test run on a vbox first
2014-11-11 14:34 <nebadon> even with windows 7 and windows 8
2014-11-11 14:34 <BlueWall> I was upgrading to see if I could get that error reported last week
2014-11-11 14:36 <BlueWall> So, what kind of cool things do you have planed for your time w/o all these load tests, haha
2014-11-11 14:36 <nebadon> hah working on Encitra models
2014-11-11 14:36 <nebadon> lol
2014-11-11 14:36 <BlueWall> hehehe
2014-11-11 14:36 <BlueWall> Can't build Rome (or whatever city) in a day :)
2014-11-11 14:36 <nebadon> last few weeks ive not done anything really for them
2014-11-11 14:37 <nebadon> i also am working on next conference Avacon is doing
2014-11-11 14:37 <nebadon> for MOSES
2014-11-11 14:37 <BlueWall> another one?
2014-11-11 14:37 <BlueWall> Ahh, ok
2014-11-11 14:37 <nebadon> Federal Consortium Virtual Worlds
2014-11-11 14:38 <nebadon> http://consortium.militarymetaverse.org/
2014-11-11 14:38 <BlueWall> How's the 3D printing 
2014-11-11 14:39 <nebadon> ive not had much time, not sure if you remember Yojne, one of the Oni Kenkon Builders from Second Life
2014-11-11 14:39 <BlueWall> haha - we better behave or they'll invade us
2014-11-11 14:39 <nebadon> i have been teaching him how to do 3D printing stuff he is into RC Rock Crawlers
2014-11-11 14:39 <BlueWall> Ahhh
2014-11-11 14:39 <nebadon> i do hope to get some more stuff up on shapeways
2014-11-11 14:40 <BlueWall> ++
2014-11-11 14:40 <nebadon> im still waiting for my last order to arive, the 3D hippo for some of the Conference Sponsors
2014-11-11 14:40 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/oscc/shapeways_print_010.png
2014-11-11 14:40 <BlueWall> is that stuff pretty sturdy?
2014-11-11 14:40 <BlueWall> Haa, that's nice
2014-11-11 14:41 <BlueWall> Steel?
2014-11-11 14:41 <nebadon> yes
2014-11-11 14:41 <nebadon> very sturdy, yes Stainless
2014-11-11 14:41 <nebadon> Diva ordered one in Nickell
2014-11-11 14:41 <nebadon> not sure when hers will arive
2014-11-11 14:41 <diva> yeah, it hasn't arrived yet
2014-11-11 14:41 <nebadon> i ordered a gold Plated stainless version
2014-11-11 14:41 <BlueWall> ohh, a 3rd party makes it?
2014-11-11 14:42 <nebadon> ya http://shapeways.com
2014-11-11 14:42 <BlueWall> ok
2014-11-11 14:42 <nebadon> its awesome
2014-11-11 14:42 <nebadon> you can setup a store, and you get a % of the sale
2014-11-11 14:42 <BlueWall> I thought you had some setup there
2014-11-11 14:42 <BlueWall> nice
2014-11-11 14:42 <nebadon> nah, not yet, home based printers suck
2014-11-11 14:42 <BlueWall> I see
2014-11-11 14:42 <nebadon> shapeways has some serious hardware
2014-11-11 14:42 <BlueWall> that's what I was asking about them being sturdy
2014-11-11 14:43 <BlueWall> Wel, they are probably using CNC
2014-11-11 14:43 <nebadon> ya you can get stuff printed in solid gold or solid platinum
2014-11-11 14:43 <nebadon> look at this, this was my first product i put up, mostly just learning how to get it right and setting up my store
2014-11-11 14:43 <BlueWall> the litte box?
2014-11-11 14:43 <BlueWall> little
2014-11-11 14:44 <nebadon> https://www.shapeways.com/model/2817068/iconos-trinket-box-v1-0.html?materialId=99
2014-11-11 14:44 <nebadon> in pure platinum
2014-11-11 14:44 <nebadon> lol
2014-11-11 14:44 <nebadon> ya
2014-11-11 14:45 <BlueWall> haha
2014-11-11 14:45 <nebadon> i had to do it cause it was so absurd
2014-11-11 14:45 <BlueWall> Yeah, I saw that one on G+
2014-11-11 14:45 <BlueWall> $48,000.00, Hahah
2014-11-11 14:45 <nebadon> lol
2014-11-11 14:45 <nebadon> i figured why not some crazy person might order one
2014-11-11 14:45 <nebadon> and them im 4000$ richer
2014-11-11 14:46 <nebadon> lol
2014-11-11 14:46 <BlueWall> Maybe pro football players can get one to keep their Super Bowl rings in.
2014-11-11 14:46 <nebadon> haha
2014-11-11 14:46 <nebadon> ive learned a lot
2014-11-11 14:46 <nebadon> making printable 3d models is worlds apart from doing virtual world models
2014-11-11 14:47 <nebadon> i would venture to say that 100% of content in SL and OpenSim will not print
2014-11-11 14:47 <nebadon> without extensive fixing and cleanup
2014-11-11 14:47 <nebadon> printable models have to be solid
2014-11-11 14:47 <nebadon> basically 1 prim
2014-11-11 14:47 <nebadon> no holes, has to be manifold or water tight
2014-11-11 14:48 <BlueWall> I connected several CNC machines to the network I built when I worked at the Tech College.
2014-11-11 14:48 <BlueWall> Those were pretty interesting
2014-11-11 14:49 <nebadon> ya thats alot of what Yojne is doing
2014-11-11 14:49 <BlueWall> They had to use software to program the tooling and the cutting paths
2014-11-11 14:49 <nebadon> he signed up for some club type membership
2014-11-11 14:49 <nebadon> that gives him access to all kinds of printers and cnc machines
2014-11-11 14:49 <BlueWall> a screw up could wreck your part and possibly the machine
2014-11-11 14:49 <nebadon> if all he uses is the scrap metal they have laying around all he pays for is the monthly membership
2014-11-11 14:50 <nebadon> and they teach you how to use everything for that cost too, pretty neat
2014-11-11 14:50 <BlueWall> ++
2014-11-11 14:51 <BlueWall> can they print metal now too?
2014-11-11 14:51 <nebadon> http://www.techshop.ws/services.html
2014-11-11 14:51 <nebadon> not really sure what this place offers 
2014-11-11 14:51 <nebadon> but shapeways does
2014-11-11 14:52 <nebadon> metal is harder
2014-11-11 14:52 <nebadon> because it requires a special infuser / kiln 
2014-11-11 14:52 <BlueWall> ohhh
2014-11-11 14:52 <nebadon> bascially how it works, is they use metal power and glue
2014-11-11 14:52 <BlueWall> I see
2014-11-11 14:52 <nebadon> and when its done printing its like the consistancy of a wet sand castle
2014-11-11 14:53 <nebadon> then they have some special process that infuses it with bronze
2014-11-11 14:53 <nebadon> and melts away the glue
2014-11-11 14:53 <nebadon> then the kiln fuses the bronze and stainless
2014-11-11 14:53 <BlueWall> the kiln burns off the plastics
2014-11-11 14:53 <nebadon> ya
2014-11-11 14:53 <BlueWall> I see
2014-11-11 14:53 <BlueWall> heh
2014-11-11 14:54 <nebadon> the first sample i ordered is very strong
2014-11-11 14:54 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/oscc/shapeways_print_005.png
2014-11-11 14:54 <nebadon> it was just too small
2014-11-11 14:55 <nebadon> the second version is about 30% larger and has OSCC14 accross the chest area
2014-11-11 14:55 <nebadon> on both sides
2014-11-11 14:55 <nebadon> and even though it looks real grainy, its very smooth to the touch
2014-11-11 14:55 <nebadon> and the camera makes it look worse than it appears to my eye
2014-11-11 14:55 <BlueWall> it looks like cast iron
2014-11-11 14:55 <nebadon> ya
2014-11-11 14:55 <nebadon> its like a quasi-casting
2014-11-11 14:55 <BlueWall> that is pretty cool
2014-11-11 14:56 <BlueWall> could probably make replacement parts for old engines and equipment
2014-11-11 14:56 <nebadon> ya absolutely
2014-11-11 14:56 <nebadon> its really great for RC stuff
2014-11-11 14:56 <nebadon> or even like Train sets
2014-11-11 14:56 <nebadon> great for hobbyists in general
2014-11-11 14:56 <nebadon> its fairly chepa
2014-11-11 14:57 <nebadon> the second printing i did was 28$ with shipping
2014-11-11 14:57 <nebadon> and its 24k gold plated
2014-11-11 14:57 <BlueWall> what format do the use?
2014-11-11 14:57 <nebadon> its about 1.5 inches tall
2014-11-11 14:57 <nebadon> either stl or dae
2014-11-11 14:57 <BlueWall> nice
2014-11-11 14:57 <nebadon> mostly ive been trying to stick with stl
2014-11-11 14:57 <nebadon> shapeways is nice too
2014-11-11 14:58 <nebadon> because their website analysis your model after you upload
2014-11-11 14:58 <nebadon> tells you if each material is compatible, if it fails for thin walls it shows you visually where the weak spots are
2014-11-11 14:58 <nebadon> they have all kinds of materials
2014-11-11 14:59 <nebadon> plastics, metals, 16 million color sandstone epoxy
2014-11-11 14:59 <BlueWall> haa
2014-11-11 14:59 <nebadon> they have soft rubbers
2014-11-11 15:00 <BlueWall> the other place, they can use dae for cnc programming?
2014-11-11 15:00 <nebadon> probably not
2014-11-11 15:00 <nebadon> i suspect its stl
2014-11-11 15:00 <nebadon> shapeways has support for all kinds of formats
2014-11-11 15:00 <nebadon> im sure they convert it
2014-11-11 15:01 <BlueWall> Blender can export to that
2014-11-11 15:01 <nebadon> i doubt most professional cncs have collada support
2014-11-11 15:01 <nebadon> yes
2014-11-11 15:01 <nebadon> shapways has a blender tutorial
2014-11-11 15:01 <BlueWall> cool stuff
2014-11-11 15:01 <nebadon> http://www.shapeways.com/tutorials/prepping_blender_files_for_3d_printing
2014-11-11 15:02 <nebadon> i learned about Boolean Modifier
2014-11-11 15:02 <nebadon> its awesome tool 
2014-11-11 15:02 <nebadon> lets you basically weld different shapes into one shape
2014-11-11 15:02 <BlueWall> hmm, that tut might help to make tighter terrains too?
2014-11-11 15:02 <nebadon> you cant have any overlapping geometry when printing
2014-11-11 15:02 <nebadon> its more like sculpty
2014-11-11 15:02 <nebadon> than the mesh we are used to using
2014-11-11 15:03 <nebadon> probably
2014-11-11 15:03 <nebadon> so far everything ive learned has made me a better modeler
2014-11-11 15:03 <BlueWall> print a quadcopter :)
2014-11-11 15:03 <nebadon> just boolean modifier alone, not sure how ive lived without it
2014-11-11 15:03 <nebadon> ya im sure people are
2014-11-11 15:04 <nebadon> there are all kinds of printable stuff like taht up on shapeways you can buy
2014-11-11 15:05 <BlueWall> hey Jessica_Lyon
2014-11-11 15:05 <nebadon> hello Jessica!
2014-11-11 15:05 <Jessica_Lyon> Heya Blue :)
2014-11-11 15:05 <Jessica_Lyon> 
ACTION waves

2014-11-11 15:06 <Jessica_Lyon> I'm here... but because I work on the road a lot of the time I may be just a ghosted name most of the time.
2014-11-11 15:06 <BlueWall> :)
2014-11-11 15:06 <nebadon> thats ok, most people are not always here
2014-11-11 15:06 <BlueWall> I keep a sessiong running too
2014-11-11 15:07 <BlueWall> Things rolling your way in the Firestorm world?
2014-11-11 15:07 <Jessica_Lyon> We do have an IRC channel as well, always have. #phoenixviewer
2014-11-11 15:07 <Jessica_Lyon> Well, we're in release mode right now... aiming for early December. 
2014-11-11 15:07 <BlueWall> adding that one to my list
2014-11-11 15:08 <BlueWall> cool
2014-11-11 15:09 <BlueWall> If you're playing Santa this year, we can leave you cookies and milk :)
2014-11-11 15:09 <Jessica_Lyon> haha
2014-11-11 15:10 <nebadon> BlueWall i just tried dragging a window off the screen in KDE
2014-11-11 15:10 <nebadon> cant do it
2014-11-11 15:10 <BlueWall> haha
2014-11-11 15:10 <nebadon> infact KDE is like Windows 7/8 functionally
2014-11-11 15:10 <nebadon> when you try to drag it off to the left or right and hit the edge
2014-11-11 15:10 <nebadon> it automatically resizes your windows to 50% of the screen
2014-11-11 15:10 <nebadon> on the side you drug it too
2014-11-11 15:11 <Jessica_Lyon> HATE that! 
2014-11-11 15:11 <nebadon> i love that
2014-11-11 15:11 <nebadon> its so helpful
2014-11-11 15:11 <nebadon> its annoying with multiple screens though
2014-11-11 15:11 <Jessica_Lyon> I have my windows sized how I like them lol. Don't need windows resizing for me! 
2014-11-11 15:11 <BlueWall> I liked Compiz where it would roll the cube around and drag the application to the next one
2014-11-11 15:11 <nebadon> KDE has that built in
2014-11-11 15:11 <nebadon> you can turn it on in the Configure Desktop panel
2014-11-11 15:12 <BlueWall> My gpu probably can't handle it
2014-11-11 15:12 <nebadon> their are different levels
2014-11-11 15:12 <nebadon> you can select the OpenGL version most optimized for your hardware
2014-11-11 15:12 <BlueWall> I need to have the Nvidia checked out and possibly repaired
2014-11-11 15:12 <nebadon> and it wont try to exceed what your hardware is capable of
2014-11-11 15:13 <nebadon> unless its a fan or a molex plug or something, not a whole lot you can repair heh
2014-11-11 15:13 <BlueWall> I took the covers off and it was caked with dust :/
2014-11-11 15:13 <nebadon> ya
2014-11-11 15:13 <nebadon> cleaning it should make it run ok again
2014-11-11 15:13 <nebadon> unless it smells burnt
2014-11-11 15:14 <BlueWall> I guess just blowing the fan doesn't get that
2014-11-11 15:14 <nebadon> does the fan spin still
2014-11-11 15:14 <BlueWall> Nahh - it doesn't show up on the pci bus
2014-11-11 15:14 <BlueWall> yes
2014-11-11 15:14 <BlueWall> it does
2014-11-11 15:14 <nebadon> oh hrmm
2014-11-11 15:14 <nebadon> ya thats not good
2014-11-11 15:14 <BlueWall> this board is made for ATI
2014-11-11 15:15 <nebadon> that shouldnt matter really
2014-11-11 15:15 <nebadon> thats only for the SLi stuff
2014-11-11 15:15 <BlueWall> But, Nvidia worked good for a long time
2014-11-11 15:15 <nebadon> ya
2014-11-11 15:15 <BlueWall> there's a shop I can take it to for checkout
2014-11-11 15:15 <BlueWall> about 30 mi away
2014-11-11 15:15 <nebadon> ouch heh
2014-11-11 15:16 <nebadon> honestly though
2014-11-11 15:16 <nebadon> if your onboard can run the SL viewer
2014-11-11 15:17 <nebadon> it can do 3d cube desktop
2014-11-11 15:17 <BlueWall> I'll surely try it out
2014-11-11 15:17 <nebadon> you probably dont want to do stuff like window wiggle
2014-11-11 15:17 <nebadon> or exploding windows etc..
2014-11-11 15:17 <BlueWall> yeah
2014-11-11 15:17 <BlueWall> I have no idea how it works with 2 screens though
2014-11-11 15:18 <nebadon> i think each screen is independant
2014-11-11 15:19 <nebadon> probably different options for behavior
2014-11-11 15:35 <Jessica_Lyon> Gave you guys our support IRC. Sorry... Dev channel is here #phoenixviewer-dev and I'll see if I can herd some of my devs to get back on IRC over the next couple days. 
2014-11-11 15:35 <BlueWall> thanks adding that one as well
2014-11-11 15:36 <Jessica_Lyon> We used to be active on IRC back when we had it built into Phoenix. But that never made it into Firestorm unfortunately and we've slowly stopped using IRC as a result. When we had it built into Phoe our channel was insanely packed with people. Burned a lot of us out of IRC. 
2014-11-11 15:37 <BlueWall> Yeah, when you open a public channel, there's a crush of people
2014-11-11 15:37 <Jessica_Lyon> We couldn't keep up with it. 
2014-11-11 15:37 <BlueWall> Need a street team :)
2014-11-11 15:38 <BlueWall> we've always had a good group of users that hang out and help in irc.
2014-11-11 15:39 <BlueWall> But, a lot of times it's the same issues over and over.
2014-11-11 15:39 <BlueWall> And when people get help, they hardly ever go to the Wiki and contribute.
2014-11-11 15:39 <Plugh> Check out a support channel for Ubuntu if you want to see a busy IRC channel. That's hard to keep up with all the different issues people are having and for which they need help.
2014-11-11 15:40 <BlueWall> yeah, many channels like that
2014-11-11 15:40 <BlueWall> lol, some of them beat you down with insults if you ask a question :s
2014-11-11 15:41 <Plugh> grr... stupid cat is doing his morning session calling for me just as I'm trying to settle in to get some work done.  :P
2014-11-11 15:42 <Plugh> Blue, yea seen that at times. Try to ask a question and you get someone responding who doesn't seem to understand what you are asking about as they are almost seem to need the minute detail before they supposedly know the problem one is having.
2014-11-11 15:42 <Plugh> 
ACTION has to go see to the cat (bbiab)

2014-11-11 15:46 <Melanie_> nebadon: CNC places need .step files as created by Solidworks
2014-11-11 15:47 <Melanie_> .step is a history based format that actually shows the order in which a given block of material needs to be abraded to arrive at the desired shape
2014-11-11 15:47 <Melanie_> 3D printing companies, on the other hand, use .stl'
2014-11-11 15:47 <BlueWall> + tooling
2014-11-11 15:48 <Melanie_> .step can be converted to .stl quite easily, there is no way to convert the other way
2014-11-11 15:48 <Melanie_> your blender model is useless for CNC, you will have to learn a CNC modeling package like solidworks or rhino
2014-11-11 15:49 <Melanie_> and remake your model in that
2014-11-11 16:04 <BlueWall> http://blendercam.blogspot.cz/ lookd interesting.
2014-11-11 16:08 <nebadon_laptop> there are tons of great plugins for blender
2014-11-11 16:09 <nebadon_laptop> this place is great too > http://www.graphicall.org/
2014-11-11 16:31 <diva> nebadon is the a version of the universal campus for a varregion?
2014-11-11 16:31 <diva> there
2014-11-11 16:40 <nebadon_laptop> well
2014-11-11 16:40 <nebadon_laptop> there is one that is a work in progress
2014-11-11 16:40 <nebadon_laptop> i havent officially release one yet
2014-11-11 16:40 <BlueWall> can load oar with the offset option?
2014-11-11 16:40 <nebadon_laptop> not really
2014-11-11 16:40 <nebadon_laptop> becasue of terrain
2014-11-11 16:40 <nebadon_laptop> best you can do is merge
2014-11-11 16:41 <nebadon_laptop> and then manually reupload new terrain thats been rejoined
2014-11-11 16:53 <Plugh> Have the accounts used to log in to the OSCC already been de-activated? 
2014-11-11 16:55 <nebadon_laptop> nope
2014-11-11 16:56 <nebadon_laptop> it will be up for some time Plugh
2014-11-11 16:56 <nebadon_laptop> as long as the grid is up and running accounts will remain active, however at some point they may not be available
2014-11-11 16:56 <Plugh> ok. I can't log in to the grid using the account I was given.
2014-11-11 16:56 <nebadon_laptop> so dont rely on it for anything :)
2014-11-11 16:56 <nebadon_laptop> oh hrmm
2014-11-11 16:57 <nebadon_laptop> try password reset from website
2014-11-11 16:57 <nebadon_laptop> http://cc.opensimulator.org
2014-11-11 16:57 <nebadon_laptop> it looks like your getting password wrong
2014-11-11 16:57 <Plugh> Someone I talked to after Justins last panel may have friended me in SL but my viewer crashed during login to SL right after I heard the ding to indicate I had some IM's. I'm trying to get back in to the OSCC grid in hopes I can track down who it was I had been talking to.
2014-11-11 16:58 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: I tracked down the mail message that showed my password as I didn't remember it.
2014-11-11 16:59 <nebadon_laptop> ah check your chat log file folder too
2014-11-11 16:59 <nebadon_laptop> it may have im logs and general chat logs for everything
2014-11-11 17:00 <Plugh> Odd. I typed it in and it didn't work. I copy and pasted it and it did. 
2014-11-11 17:00 <Plugh> It wasn't like it was hard to remember long enough to type it in after reading it. 
2014-11-11 17:02 <Plugh> Got the name I was after. It was in the portion of the chat window that the viewer maintained.
2014-11-11 17:41 <diva> is there any oar out there for a 512x512 that I could use?
2014-11-11 17:41 <diva> varregion
2014-11-11 17:45 <nebadon_laptop> i can make you one
2014-11-11 17:45 <nebadon_laptop> for latest Unversal Campus if you want
2014-11-11 17:45 <nebadon_laptop> its good enough for testing
2014-11-11 17:45 <nebadon_laptop> actually
2014-11-11 17:45 <nebadon_laptop> i might have it posted already for testing
2014-11-11 17:50 <nebadon_laptop> diva > http://uc.onikenkon.com/universal_campus_var_beta-v0.1-2014-11-11.oar
2014-11-11 17:50 <diva> thanks!
2014-11-11 17:50 <nebadon_laptop> no problem :)
2014-11-11 17:51 <nebadon_laptop> some of its been converted to mesh
2014-11-11 17:51 <nebadon_laptop> all the decking
2014-11-11 17:51 <nebadon_laptop> the building down by the lake
2014-11-11 17:51 <nebadon_laptop> all mesh now
2014-11-11 17:51 <nebadon_laptop> all the boardwalks
2014-11-11 17:51 <nebadon_laptop> some of the gazebos
2014-11-11 17:52 <nebadon_laptop> by the time im done it should be alot less stressful to load it
2014-11-11 17:52 <nebadon_laptop> its already alot less prims
2014-11-11 17:52 <nebadon_laptop> its like 6-8000 less
2014-11-11 17:52 <nebadon_laptop> doesnt have the new lighthouse yet
2014-11-11 17:52 <nebadon_laptop> i need to copy it from OSCC
2014-11-11 18:00 <diva> nebadon why would I be getting this error? (the dll is there) http://pastebin.com/AmB5W26b
2014-11-11 18:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #3872 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-11 18:01 <nebadon_laptop> hmmm does that file actually exist diva?
2014-11-11 18:01 <diva> it does
2014-11-11 18:01 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: pls update ghosts as soon as convenient
2014-11-11 18:01 <nebadon_laptop> this is fresh clone and compile first start?
2014-11-11 18:01 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-11-11 18:02 <diva> yes
2014-11-11 18:02 <nebadon_laptop> how are you launching it?
2014-11-11 18:03 <nebadon_laptop> just plain mono opensim.exe?
2014-11-11 18:03 <diva> mono OpenSim.exe -inifile UCISim.ini
2014-11-11 18:03 <nebadon_laptop> that is odd, i am not sure
2014-11-11 18:03 <nebadon_laptop> i dont test on 32 bit though
2014-11-11 18:04 <nebadon_laptop> i dont even have the ability at the moment
2014-11-11 18:04 <nebadon_laptop> ive seen this happen in the past
2014-11-11 18:04 <nebadon_laptop> and from what i remember it was from trying to launch things in an usual way
2014-11-11 18:04 <nebadon_laptop> but that doesnt seem to be the case for you
2014-11-11 18:05 <diva> well I switched to ODE and that worked
2014-11-11 18:05 <nebadon_laptop> like trying to do this
2014-11-11 18:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3872: SUCCESS in 5 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3872/
2014-11-11 18:05 <osjenkins> justincc: Fix issue where llRemoteLoadScriptPin() would treat 0 (the default) as a valid set pin in a destination prim rather than the unset no pin state
2014-11-11 18:05 <nebadon_laptop> mono /home/nebadon/opensim/bin.OpenSim.exe
2014-11-11 18:05 <nebadon_laptop> would cause similar issues
2014-11-11 18:05 <nebadon_laptop> if your not in bin
2014-11-11 18:05 <nebadon_laptop> wierd
2014-11-11 18:06 <nebadon_laptop> there is a config file
2014-11-11 18:06 <nebadon_laptop> that determines the location of those files
2014-11-11 18:07 <nebadon_laptop> hmm maybe thats ode only
2014-11-11 18:07 <nebadon_laptop> i dont see one for bulletsim
2014-11-11 18:07 <AliciaRaven> hi, is the tueday meeting on tonight?
2014-11-11 18:07 <nebadon_laptop> yea
2014-11-11 18:08 <nebadon_laptop> diva what version of mono?
2014-11-11 18:08 <nebadon_laptop> justincc ping
2014-11-11 18:08 <nebadon_laptop> errors
2014-11-11 18:08 <diva> 3.0.4
2014-11-11 18:08 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: in ghosts?
2014-11-11 18:08 <nebadon_laptop> ya 1 sec i'll paste
2014-11-11 18:08 <AliciaRaven> k thanks neb, in an hour right?
2014-11-11 18:08 <nebadon_laptop> http://pastebin.com/QiGD1WcB
2014-11-11 18:08 <nebadon_laptop> yes 1 hour
2014-11-11 18:09 <nebadon_laptop> that looks maybe like a typo or something justincc
2014-11-11 18:10 <justincc> damn it yes.I mixed uppatches since I had to adapt tests to older versions
2014-11-11 18:10 <justincc> you could install anyway but will fix in a moment
2014-11-11 18:10 <nebadon_laptop> ok i'll wait
2014-11-11 18:10 <justincc> tests are compiled last and dont' affect anythign else
2014-11-11 18:10 <nebadon_laptop> we have time
2014-11-11 18:12 <justincc> master is fine,. it's only ghosts I put that mistake in
2014-11-11 18:12 <nebadon_laptop> k
2014-11-11 18:13 <diva> what a pain. Bullet crashes, and ODE is messing up the terrain collisions
2014-11-11 18:13 <diva> sigh
2014-11-11 18:13 <diva> I gothrough the terrain
2014-11-11 18:13 <justincc> on var?
2014-11-11 18:13 <nebadon_laptop> oh
2014-11-11 18:13 <nebadon_laptop> you cant use ode on ar
2014-11-11 18:13 <nebadon_laptop> var*
2014-11-11 18:13 <nebadon_laptop> its not compatible
2014-11-11 18:13 <diva> oh?
2014-11-11 18:14 <nebadon_laptop> ya its bullet only
2014-11-11 18:14 <diva> ok
2014-11-11 18:14 <diva> then I need to figure out what the heck is wrong with bullet here
2014-11-11 18:14 <justincc> yeah, de neefed to be adapted for the larger terrain, must have some hardcoded 256x256stuff
2014-11-11 18:14 <nebadon_laptop> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/print_bug_page.php?bug_id=6545
2014-11-11 18:14 <nebadon_laptop> this looks possibly like an environment issue
2014-11-11 18:15 <nebadon_laptop> ya i did have a similar problem long while back
2014-11-11 18:15 <nebadon_laptop> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6604
2014-11-11 18:15 <nebadon_laptop> but i dont think this is your issue diva
2014-11-11 18:16 <diva> yes it is!
2014-11-11 18:16 <diva> this is CentOS 5
2014-11-11 18:16 <diva> sigh
2014-11-11 18:16 <nebadon_laptop> oh god
2014-11-11 18:16 <nebadon_laptop> centos is so painful for opensim
2014-11-11 18:16 <nebadon_laptop> lots of dragons for me
2014-11-11 18:16 <nebadon_laptop> melanie uses it though
2014-11-11 18:16 <nebadon_laptop> mostly about expereince and prefernece i suppose
2014-11-11 18:17 <diva> I have no control over the OS on these machines
2014-11-11 18:17 <diva> I guess I'll just use 256 regions with ODE then
2014-11-11 18:17 <nebadon_laptop> virtualize :P
2014-11-11 18:17 <Plugh> I wound up with a machine for OpenSim that is CentOS based. I've managed but it is somewhat painful. Not just for OpenSim but Linux in general. I won't make that mistake again.
2014-11-11 18:18 <nebadon_laptop> diva there is a hackish solution on that first mantis
2014-11-11 18:18 <diva> compile?
2014-11-11 18:18 <nebadon_laptop> very last response
2014-11-11 18:19 <diva> oh wow
2014-11-11 18:19 <diva> heheh
2014-11-11 18:19 <diva>  ok let me try
2014-11-11 18:21 <nebadon_laptop> justincc keynotes and staff restarted
2014-11-11 18:22 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: you wan tto do everything
2014-11-11 18:22 <justincc> all simulatosr
2014-11-11 18:22 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-11-11 18:22 <nebadon_laptop> I will shortly, i was just letting you know you can check those if need be
2014-11-11 18:22 <justincc> no,I need to complete pumping out all 4 releases first
2014-11-11 18:23 <Plugh> oh, right. It's new code day. :)
2014-11-11 18:24 <diva> oh wow :) it worked
2014-11-11 18:24 <nebadon_laptop> great
2014-11-11 18:24 <diva> not that exact command, but something like that
2014-11-11 18:24 <nebadon_laptop> always another door :P
2014-11-11 18:24 <Plugh> I don't know what worked but I'll say "yay" anyway. :)
2014-11-11 18:25 <nebadon_laptop> bullsim binary wasnt loading
2014-11-11 18:25 <diva> err. spoke too soon
2014-11-11 18:25 <nebadon_laptop> because of the server environment
2014-11-11 18:25 <nebadon_laptop> blah
2014-11-11 18:26 <smxy> Plugh: Why do you say CentOS is painful? I've been using RHEL/CentOS for a couple of decades and I find it very easy to use.
2014-11-11 18:26 <Plugh> smxy: I run across a number of things that are out of date, and other items that aren't available in the repo.
2014-11-11 18:27 <nebadon_laptop> yea its all about experience when it comes to centos
2014-11-11 18:27 <nebadon_laptop> and any enterprise linux
2014-11-11 18:27 <nebadon_laptop> even SLES confuses me
2014-11-11 18:27 <jakdaniels> diva bullet will not work on centos 5, the .so is not a dynamic exectuable, there is a cludgy fix tho
2014-11-11 18:27 <jakdaniels> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6545
2014-11-11 18:27 <nebadon_laptop> and im very expereinced with opensuse
2014-11-11 18:27 <BlueWall> for me doing bleeding edge work on it was very hard
2014-11-11 18:27 <Plugh> smxy, a weekly report tells me that apache is out of date but I can't update unless I roll my own package for it with code from a more recent release.
2014-11-11 18:27 <nebadon_laptop> thats what we are looking at jak
2014-11-11 18:27 <nebadon_laptop> i gave her that link
2014-11-11 18:27 <nebadon_laptop> oh wait
2014-11-11 18:27 <diva> yes jakdaniels, tahnks
2014-11-11 18:27 <nebadon_laptop> maybe thats a different link
2014-11-11 18:27 <diva> unfortunately it still doens't work
2014-11-11 18:28 <jakdaniels> see my last note on how to make bulletsim.so recognised ;)
2014-11-11 18:28 <nebadon_laptop> no thats same one
2014-11-11 18:28 <diva> jakdaniels: http://pastebin.com/yCncMwuH
2014-11-11 18:28 <nebadon_laptop> oh
2014-11-11 18:28 <nebadon_laptop> your missing glibc
2014-11-11 18:28 <diva> this is after I applied a version of that hack
2014-11-11 18:28 <nebadon_laptop> your missing a library
2014-11-11 18:29 <nebadon_laptop> need to install package for glibc
2014-11-11 18:29 <Plugh> How can it be asking for two different versions of glibc at the same time??
2014-11-11 18:29 <jakdaniels> oh, has libbulletsim.so been compiled again more recently with an even newer ubuntu toolchain?
2014-11-11 18:29 <nebadon_laptop> ya that is strange
2014-11-11 18:29 <nebadon_laptop> not sure
2014-11-11 18:29 <nebadon_laptop> i dont think so
2014-11-11 18:29 <nebadon_laptop> no one has touched those files recently that i recall
2014-11-11 18:29 <justincc> if you're using master, misterblue did upda teo 2.8.2 recently
2014-11-11 18:29 <justincc> so yes, I wuold thinik so
2014-11-11 18:29 <Plugh> Have you tried making a symlink so it will think it found what it wants? I've done that on occasion with some things.
2014-11-11 18:29 <nebadon_laptop> oh
2014-11-11 18:29 <nebadon_laptop> that was a month or two ago though
2014-11-11 18:29 <nebadon_laptop> wasnt it
2014-11-11 18:30 <justincc> yes
2014-11-11 18:30 <justincc> something liek that
2014-11-11 18:30 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-11-11 18:30 <nebadon_laptop> i guess recent is relative
2014-11-11 18:30 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-11 18:30 <diva> I'm installing glib
2014-11-11 18:30 <justincc> I don't know what goddamn timescale you work on :)
2014-11-11 18:30 <justincc> 6 months is recent to me
2014-11-11 18:31 <Plugh> If CentOS 5 is a problem I'm glad that I have CentOS 6.5
2014-11-11 18:32 <smxy> I'm on 6.6 and 7 now
2014-11-11 18:32 <nebadon_laptop> when you update as often as i do justincc 2 months is an eternity
2014-11-11 18:33 <diva> hmm, it's till complaining tha it's missing glib
2014-11-11 18:33 <Plugh> diva, which version of glib is on your machine?
2014-11-11 18:33 <diva> how do I know?
2014-11-11 18:34 <Plugh> rpm -q glibc
2014-11-11 18:34 <diva> glibc-2.5-123
2014-11-11 18:35 <diva> bullet requires 3.4.11 or 3.4.9
2014-11-11 18:35 <diva> how do I upgrade?
2014-11-11 18:35 <Plugh> Just realized we need to be straight in referencing glibc vs glib.
2014-11-11 18:35 <jakdaniels> yeah, yum install libstdc++ should fix that?
2014-11-11 18:36 <jakdaniels> oh sorry yes i see that now
2014-11-11 18:36 <Plugh> you could start with 'yum update' then 'yum upgrade' if you haven't done that in a while to make sure you have all the latest packages for the version of CentOS you are running.
2014-11-11 18:37 <jakdaniels> I wish bulletsim would be built on an older ubuntu toolchain so it's more compatible with enterprise distros
2014-11-11 18:38 <Plugh> wow. I haven't done that on my CentOS machine in a while. 233 packages to be updated including apache.
2014-11-11 18:40 <diva> I thikn Im going to switch to ODE
2014-11-11 18:40 <diva> no need to go through this pain
2014-11-11 18:40 <jakdaniels> then no varregions
2014-11-11 18:40 <diva> yeah, I can do without in here.
2014-11-11 18:40 <Plugh> diva, you should do the update commands either way if you haven't run them in a while.
2014-11-11 18:41 <diva> yeah I'm fdoing them
2014-11-11 18:41 <diva> was not planning to spend a whole morning doing sys admin work...
2014-11-11 18:47 <Plugh> Ah. the update process just brought me up to CentOS 6.6
2014-11-11 18:48 <diva> how?
2014-11-11 18:48 <Plugh> Those two yum commands I posted earlier. It only moved me from 6.5 to 6.6
2014-11-11 18:48 <jakdaniels> diva is likely on 5.10
2014-11-11 18:49 <diva> yeah I'm on 5 something
2014-11-11 18:49 <diva> and after the update Bullet is stil kaput, so I'm going with ode here
2014-11-11 18:49 <Plugh> yeah. That would require more of a dist-upgrade or whatever the equivalent is for RPM systems and that is a bigger job.
2014-11-11 18:49 <jakdaniels> a dist upgrade would imo go horribly wrong for lots of things
2014-11-11 18:50 <Plugh> jakdaniels: That all depends on what distro one is using. Some distros always say re-install from scratch. That is a *major* hassle. Others, like Ubuntu will let you do a dist-upgrade.
2014-11-11 18:51 <diva> alright, phew. I have a working sim where physics works. 
2014-11-11 18:51 <Plugh> It was one of the things I really liked about Ubuntu, then they switched to Unity
2014-11-11 18:51 <jakdaniels> true, i am talking about centos here though
2014-11-11 18:51 <diva> neb, now I need an oar for a 256x256. Do yo have any?
2014-11-11 18:51 <diva> n/m I htink I have the CC from last year
2014-11-11 18:56 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/oars
2014-11-11 18:57 <nebadon_laptop> this is a good one diva > http://nebadon2025.com/oars/epiccastle.oar
2014-11-11 18:57 <justincc> actually, I won't be at the start of the meting, I really need to concentrate on what I'm doing.  Might be along a bit later
2014-11-11 18:58 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-11-11 18:59 <smxy> Yeah, RHEL/CentOS has never supported an in-place upgrade from one major version to another. Better to build a new one from scratch then clone it around.
2014-11-11 19:00 <smxy> There apparently is some support for upgrading 6 to 7, but it's still not recommended.
2014-11-11 19:00 <Plugh> smxy: But that means re-installing all the additional packages one previously had installed and re-configuring all the packages.
2014-11-11 19:01 <smxy> Yes. I keep a log of all changes I make to a system, so that it's easy to recreate it.
2014-11-11 19:02 <smxy> Since mine are virtually identical, once I set up te first one, the rest are just cloned from it and given a few tweak as needed. Not hard, really.
2014-11-11 19:03 <Plugh> I went through that with Mint but I was doing an upgrade where I skipped about two other releases. I kept a record of everything I had to do to get the machine back up to where it was before wiping out the distro and starting over. It will allow me to get back to where I was much faster should I need to start from scratch again in the future. Took me about two or three days after wiping Mint and re-installing.
2014-11-11 19:05 <smxy> This time, I'm considering learning Puppet and letting it keep my VMs the same.
2014-11-11 19:05 <Plugh> IIRC, that is a useful tool. I don't have multiple machines to keep in sync.
2014-11-11 19:06 <smxy> I have 18 VMs to keep in sync.
2014-11-11 19:06 <smxy> If it proves useful here, I might see if I can use it at work, where I have a couple hundred VMs.
2014-11-11 19:19 <AllenKerensky> puppet is the bomb-diggity
2014-11-11 19:19 <AllenKerensky> it takes a bit to learn the manifest language and make sure you have the certs all setup correctly
2014-11-11 19:19 <AllenKerensky> but - start simple - and add modularly
2014-11-11 19:20 <AllenKerensky> I started by getting a LOT of recipes in one place and then taking them apart - the CISecurity red hat benchmark has a set of puppet modules to start with
2014-11-11 19:26 <smxy> I'll keep that in mind. :)
2014-11-11 19:33 -!- ChristophBalhaus(~Christoph@2001:4ba0:fff1:150::2) has left #opensim-dev
2014-11-11 20:27 <nebadon_laptop> im definitely seeing peformance improvements with opensuse 13.2 and the latest nvidia drivers
2014-11-11 20:28 <nebadon_laptop> unigine heaven running much smoother
2014-11-11 20:29 <smxy> Once XenServer supports it as a guest OS, I might try it. I think the boxed copy over v9, in my basement, was the last time I played with it.
2014-11-11 20:30 <smxy> over=of
2014-11-11 20:30 <nebadon_laptop> heh 9 is pretty old stuff now
2014-11-11 20:30 <smxy> yes :)
2014-11-11 20:30 <smxy> And who buys it as a boxed thing now, either? ;)
2014-11-11 20:31 <nebadon_laptop> right i do remember when OpenSuse 9 was for sale at CompUSA
2014-11-11 20:31 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-11 20:31 <smxy> I think that's where I got it.
2014-11-11 20:31 <MarcusLlewellyn> 
ACTION has a boxed copy of Redhat 6 :)

2014-11-11 20:32 <MarcusLlewellyn> Back when people were still like, "Gnome? What's that?"
2014-11-11 20:32 <smxy> I think I still have Dell SVR4 on QIC someplace. :)
2014-11-11 20:33 <nebadon_laptop> if you attempt opensuse 13 and have nvidia do not force on FXAA
2014-11-11 20:33 <nebadon_laptop> causes problems with KDE, took me forever to figure it out
2014-11-11 20:33 <MarcusLlewellyn> CSAA is better anyhow, if it has it.
2014-11-11 20:34 <nebadon_laptop> FXAA is faster though
2014-11-11 20:35 <MarcusLlewellyn> I dunno. CSAA is better optimized I think, though.
2014-11-11 20:35 <MarcusLlewellyn> It messes up the viewer UI a lot less for sure.
2014-11-11 20:35 <nebadon_laptop> i never really benchmarked them
2014-11-11 20:35 <nebadon_laptop> ya might have to try to disable it on windows too
2014-11-11 20:35 <nebadon_laptop> see if its any different
2014-11-11 20:36 <MarcusLlewellyn> I have 16x CSAA applied to my viewers in windows. Looks good, and no perceivavle performance impact.
2014-11-11 22:49 <skittles> hi, did the patch for the llRemoteLoadScriptPin() exploit get commited to git?
2014-11-11 22:49 <AliciaRaven> skittles, yes
2014-11-11 22:50 <skittles> oh, i see it now thanks. :)
2014-11-11 22:50 <skittles> was looking in the wrong repo on github. lol
2014-11-11 22:50 <AliciaRaven> lol np
2014-11-11 22:55 <diva> nebadon: epic castle is epic!
2014-11-11 22:55 <diva> yo ualways have the darnest oars
2014-11-11 23:05 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-11 23:05 <nebadon_laptop> glad you like it diva :) that was from Cuteulala
2014-11-11 23:06 <diva> how do I make a telehub? where's the "Connect Telehub" thing?
2014-11-11 23:06 <nebadon_laptop> in Estate
2014-11-11 23:06 <nebadon_laptop> make sure your not in god mode
2014-11-11 23:06 <nebadon_laptop> it wont work in god mode
2014-11-11 23:06 <nebadon_laptop> took me forever to figure that out
2014-11-11 23:08 <diva> hmm maybe it doesn't work for estate owners? I'm not landing on the telehub
2014-11-11 23:09 <diva> do I need to restart the region or something?
2014-11-11 23:12 <AliciaRaven> i think estate owners are free to tp anywhere
2014-11-11 23:13 <diva> hmm I tested with a normal avie, and I'm still not landing on the telehub
2014-11-11 23:13 <nebadon_laptop> you need to turn off direct teleport
2014-11-11 23:13 <nebadon_laptop> on the estate panel
2014-11-11 23:13 <diva> how? where?
2014-11-11 23:13 <nebadon_laptop> in Region / Estate panel
2014-11-11 23:13 <nebadon_laptop> on the estate tab
2014-11-11 23:18 <diva> oh so a telehub is an estate-wide thing?
2014-11-11 23:18 <diva> I'm confused
2014-11-11 23:18 <diva> I just want ppl tp land in a specific point when they visit the region
2014-11-11 23:19 <nebadon_laptop> no
2014-11-11 23:19 <nebadon_laptop> but that one setting is
2014-11-11 23:19 <nebadon_laptop> the direct teleport thing
2014-11-11 23:19 <nebadon_laptop> telehub is per region in the estate
2014-11-11 23:19 <diva> so what happens if I have no direct teleport in the estate but no telehub in the region?
2014-11-11 23:20 <nebadon_laptop> depends on what you have on the options tab
2014-11-11 23:20 <nebadon_laptop> at the bottom
2014-11-11 23:20 <nebadon_laptop> for landing zone behavoir
2014-11-11 23:21 <nebadon_laptop> Lindens are masochists pretty sure
2014-11-11 23:21 <diva> I odn't see telehub there
2014-11-11 23:21 <nebadon_laptop> right
2014-11-11 23:21 <nebadon_laptop> its designed to befuttle and confuse i think
2014-11-11 23:21 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-11 23:21 <diva> cab I jyst set a landing point and be done with it?
2014-11-11 23:21 <smxy> befuddle*
2014-11-11 23:21 <nebadon_laptop> not really
2014-11-11 23:21 <diva> no telehub?
2014-11-11 23:21 <nebadon_laptop> telehub is enforced 100% of the time
2014-11-11 23:21 <nebadon_laptop> where the landing zone isnt always
2014-11-11 23:21 <diva> oh geez
2014-11-11 23:22 <nebadon_laptop> so if you absolutely must have someone land at a certain place its telehub or nuthin
2014-11-11 23:22 <diva> so what the heck do I do if I want ppl to land in s specific point?
2014-11-11 23:22 <smxy> use a telehub
2014-11-11 23:22 <diva> and?
2014-11-11 23:22 <diva> uncheclk allow direct teleport?
2014-11-11 23:22 <nebadon_laptop> a telehub can have various spawn points
2014-11-11 23:22 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2014-11-11 23:23 <nebadon_laptop> rez a cube that will be your telehub
2014-11-11 23:23 <smxy> I have one in my landing region with 5 spawn points and they randomly land at one of them, so that people don't land on each other.
2014-11-11 23:23 <nebadon_laptop> then go into estate and manage telehub
2014-11-11 23:23 <nebadon_laptop> then conntect
2014-11-11 23:23 <nebadon_laptop> then if its just 1 prim
2014-11-11 23:23 <nebadon_laptop> you hit spawn point
2014-11-11 23:23 <nebadon_laptop> and your done
2014-11-11 23:23 <nebadon_laptop> if you want multiple you select more prims and hit connect
2014-11-11 23:23 <nebadon_laptop> until all your points
2014-11-11 23:23 <nebadon_laptop> however you cant specify what point they land at
2014-11-11 23:23 <nebadon_laptop> but there are a couple different random selection choices you can configure
2014-11-11 23:23 <diva> what do you mean "hit spawn point"?
2014-11-11 23:23 <nebadon_laptop> in OpenSim.ini
2014-11-11 23:24 <smxy> I think you can even delete the prims afterwards, but I just made them invisible, so I could peek and see where they are.
2014-11-11 23:24 <nebadon_laptop> in the manage telehub window
2014-11-11 23:24 <diva> I onnected the object to the telehub
2014-11-11 23:24 <diva> but I don't see anything useful top go in spwn points
2014-11-11 23:25 <diva> and what do I put in the parcels "teleport routing"?
2014-11-11 23:25 <diva> Anywhere? (I have the telehub, supposedly)
2014-11-11 23:26 <smxy> I have b;ocked in my parcel where the telehib is
2014-11-11 23:26 <smxy> blocked*
2014-11-11 23:26 <nebadon_laptop> let me find the wiki page
2014-11-11 23:27 <nebadon_laptop> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Viewerhelp:Telehub
2014-11-11 23:28 <diva> I found that but it doesn't work!
2014-11-11 23:28 <diva> I'm still landing in random places
2014-11-11 23:29 <diva> oh man
2014-11-11 23:29 <diva> what a horrible process!
2014-11-11 23:29 <nebadon_laptop> heh ya
2014-11-11 23:30 <nebadon_laptop> can i visit where you are?
2014-11-11 23:30 <diva> http://ucigrid01.nacs.uci.edu:8002
2014-11-11 23:30 <diva> and then TP to Epic Castle
2014-11-11 23:32 <diva> the landing on the main region should be rules by a telehub too, but I don't see that one working either...
2014-11-11 23:32 <nebadon_laptop> i dont seem to be able to make it
2014-11-11 23:32 <diva> oh hey, it works now
2014-11-11 23:33 <nebadon_laptop> did you have god mode enabled at any point?
2014-11-11 23:33 <diva> no
2014-11-11 23:33 <nebadon_laptop> k
2014-11-11 23:33 <nebadon_laptop> sometimes the region caches it
2014-11-11 23:33 <nebadon_laptop> even if you leave god mode 
2014-11-11 23:33 <diva> I never entered god mode here
2014-11-11 23:33 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-11-11 23:34 <diva> I wonder if telehubs don't survive oar loads
2014-11-11 23:36 <smxy> I vaguely recall at least part of mine did and had to be deleted.
2014-11-11 23:36 <smxy> It's been a while, sorry.
2014-11-11 23:52 <diva> does anyone know how to specify an inworld location in html? Is it secondlife://???
2014-11-11 23:53 <diva> BlueWall?
2014-11-11 23:53 <diva> You seem to know about destinations. How's that page
2014-11-11 23:57 <nebadon_laptop> diva
2014-11-11 23:57 <nebadon_laptop> look at this html
2014-11-11 23:57 <nebadon_laptop> http://cc.opensimulator.org/guide
2014-11-11 23:57 <nebadon_laptop> secondlife:///app/teleport/Expo%20Zone%201/255/128/30
2014-11-11 23:58 <diva> great, thanks!
2014-11-11 23:58 <nebadon_laptop> np
2014-11-12 00:00 <nebadon_laptop> we can actually use the destination guide too diva maybe
2014-11-12 00:00 <diva> yes
2014-11-12 00:00 <diva> thay's what I'm looking at
2014-11-12 00:00 <nebadon_laptop> hah
2014-11-12 00:00 <nebadon_laptop> i read your mind :P
2014-11-12 00:01 <diva> yeah :)
2014-11-12 00:01 <nebadon_laptop> that url above is live at the OSCC grid destinatino guide
2014-11-12 00:01 <nebadon_laptop> not so easy to find in the viewer for most though
2014-11-12 00:01 <diva> tha's going to take me a day to do it right -- I need to show a personalized destination guide for the Encitra grid
2014-11-12 00:02 <diva> but for this test grid I'm sretting up, it will be generic
2014-11-12 00:02 <nebadon_laptop> it would be nice if some how via the HTML
2014-11-12 00:02 <nebadon_laptop> you could define the destination guide size and location
2014-11-12 00:03 <nebadon_laptop> its pretty small when it opens
2014-11-12 00:11 <diva> hmm, the map is complaining that something is not quite right
2014-11-12 00:11 <diva> oh
2014-11-12 00:11 <diva> white spaces maybe
2014-11-12 00:20 <BlueWall> Hi diva was afk. Did you find what you were looking for?
2014-11-12 00:20 <diva> sprta
2014-11-12 00:20 <diva> when I click on one of those links, I get an exception on the server
2014-11-12 00:21 <diva> somethign wrong with the name that comes in the map request
2014-11-12 00:21 <BlueWall> hmmm
2014-11-12 00:21 <diva> ut if I type that same link in the chat window, it works
2014-11-12 00:21 <BlueWall> when I use the map search, I just use my.grid.com:8002:Region Name
2014-11-12 00:21 <diva> so I don't get it
2014-11-12 00:22 <diva> but I want that to come from a web page
2014-11-12 00:22 <diva> the destinations web page
2014-11-12 00:22 <BlueWall> ok the slurl ?
2014-11-12 00:23 <diva> I'm not sure what I want. I want the destinations guide to have a list of links that, after clicking, teleport people to regions
2014-11-12 00:23 <BlueWall> ok, let me get up to speed ...
2014-11-12 00:23 <BlueWall> you say web page, that is the destination guide?
2014-11-12 00:23 <diva> yes
2014-11-12 00:23 <BlueWall> in viewer))
2014-11-12 00:24 <diva> yes
2014-11-12 00:24 <BlueWall> ok, 1 min
2014-11-12 00:25 <BlueWall> <a href="secondlife:///app/teleport/{{ link.slurl }}" title= "{{ link.txt }}">{{ link.name }}</a>
2014-11-12 00:25 <BlueWall> that is what I have in some python code
2014-11-12 00:25 <BlueWall> or a template reather
2014-11-12 00:25 <diva> does it need the titlee?
2014-11-12 00:25 <BlueWall> hmm ,not sure
2014-11-12 00:25 <BlueWall> let me see if I can login to my grid 
2014-11-12 00:26 <BlueWall> an upgrade last week has left me in a mess
2014-11-12 00:26 <diva> when I type secondlife:///app/teleport/Epic%20Castle/128/128/30 on my local chat, and then click that link it works fine
2014-11-12 00:27 <diva> but when I click that in a web page, the server gets an exception on processing the name that's being searched
2014-11-12 00:27 <BlueWall> hmmm
2014-11-12 00:27 <BlueWall> My web backend is bombing on me - let me take a look in there
2014-11-12 00:34 <BlueWall> ok, that seems to work let me get the renderd html
2014-11-12 00:35 <BlueWall> <a href="secondlife:///app/teleport/BlueWall" title= "">BlueWall</a>
2014-11-12 00:35 <BlueWall> try w/o title
2014-11-12 00:36 <BlueWall> nothign on this page seems to use it
2014-11-12 00:36 <diva>   I tried with and without
2014-11-12 00:36 <diva> same thing
2014-11-12 00:36 <BlueWall> error?
2014-11-12 00:37 <BlueWall> this is inside the same grid?
2014-11-12 00:37 <diva> http://pastebin.com/dYKPaKXi
2014-11-12 00:37 <diva> yes
2014-11-12 00:37 <BlueWall> is the Singularity?
2014-11-12 00:38 <diva> yes
2014-11-12 00:38 <BlueWall> ok, I'm on Firestorm
2014-11-12 00:38 <BlueWall> let me switch
2014-11-12 00:38 <BlueWall> 1 sec
2014-11-12 00:40 <BlueWall> do you get a box asking you if you want to teleport?
2014-11-12 00:40 <diva> no
2014-11-12 00:40 <diva> I get an exception on the server
2014-11-12 00:40 <BlueWall> ok, 1 more thing
2014-11-12 00:40 <diva> I get that box when I type that surl in the chat box
2014-11-12 00:40 <BlueWall> I get the box, buit the region does not exist anymore ...
2014-11-12 00:41 <BlueWall> let me mad a cpl of things here and try the actual dest guide
2014-11-12 00:41 <BlueWall> make
2014-11-12 00:41 <BlueWall> grrr, typing gets worse each day
2014-11-12 00:42 <smxy> Wait until you get arthritis. :-/
2014-11-12 00:42 <BlueWall> haha
2014-11-12 00:42 <BlueWall> at least I'll have an excuse then
2014-11-12 00:42 <BlueWall> haha
2014-11-12 00:42 <smxy> heh
2014-11-12 00:42 <diva> :)
2014-11-12 00:42 <BlueWall> and long hours - here is a bad one ...
2014-11-12 00:42 <BlueWall> 01:14 < Cuteulala> you can hypergrid now
2014-11-12 00:42 <BlueWall> 01:14 < Cuteulala> http://**********.duckdns.org:****
2014-11-12 00:42 <BlueWall> 01:14 < BlueWall> duckdns
2014-11-12 00:42 <BlueWall> 01:14 < BlueWall> you need dick tape
2014-11-12 00:42 <BlueWall> 01:14 < BlueWall> lol
2014-11-12 00:42 <BlueWall> 01:14 < Cuteulala> dick tape!!!!!
2014-11-12 00:43 <BlueWall> 01:14 < Cuteulala> LOL
2014-11-12 00:43 <BlueWall> 01:14 < BlueWall> duck tape
2014-11-12 00:43 <BlueWall> 01:14 < BlueWall> hehe
2014-11-12 00:43 <smxy> Drag queens use dick tape for tucking. :p
2014-11-12 00:43 <AllenKerensky> <covers my eyes and ears>
2014-11-12 00:43 <smxy> haha
2014-11-12 00:44 <BlueWall> Drag racers use Duck Tape for everything, lolo
2014-11-12 00:44 <diva> that exception can ony mean that the map name sent by the viewer is null
2014-11-12 00:44 <BlueWall> what does the rendered html look like?
2014-11-12 00:45 <diva> this: http://ucigrid01.nacs.uci.edu:8002/wifi/destinations.html
2014-11-12 00:47 <BlueWall> so this is not the destination guide that pops up in the viewer, but destinations on a welcome screen?
2014-11-12 00:48 <diva> that's the same
2014-11-12 00:48 <diva> it's the one that pops up in the viewer
2014-11-12 00:48 <BlueWall> ok
2014-11-12 00:48 <BlueWall> I have a different format for the ones that set yor login destination
2014-11-12 00:48 <BlueWall>  <a href="secondlife://BlueWall" title="Red&#39;s BBQ &amp; Bait Shop">BlueWall</a><br>
2014-11-12 00:49 <diva> login?
2014-11-12 00:49 <diva> this is not at login
2014-11-12 00:49 <BlueWall> ok
2014-11-12 00:49 <diva> this is after ppl are already logged in, pulling down World->Destinations on Singularoty
2014-11-12 00:49 <BlueWall> yes, like where you set home/last location/enter location
2014-11-12 00:50 <diva> but let me try that
2014-11-12 00:50 <BlueWall> ok, that first format 
2014-11-12 00:50 <diva> oh
2014-11-12 00:51 <diva>  that worked!
2014-11-12 00:51 <diva> wtf
2014-11-12 00:51 <diva> ok, well, that works
2014-11-12 00:51 <BlueWall> ok cool
2014-11-12 00:51 <diva> thanks
2014-11-12 00:51 <BlueWall> I need to do some work for a while, but I'll look into that other and get back to you
2014-11-12 00:52 <BlueWall> that format works here really well. But I have a wreck atm and will need to work through it.
2014-11-12 00:52 <BlueWall> I'll get back with you
2014-11-12 00:53 <diva> thanks, this solves my immediate problem
2014-11-12 00:53 <BlueWall> sure thing
2014-11-12 00:53 <diva> I didn't know there are two formats for these things, one for before login the other for after login
2014-11-12 00:53 <diva> that's just weird like hell
2014-11-12 00:54 <BlueWall> hehe
2014-11-12 00:54 <BlueWall> Just SL Hell
2014-11-12 00:54 <AliciaRaven> diva before u removed it from the link u had apps/teleport, could the S on the end of app be the problem?
2014-11-12 00:55 <AliciaRaven> app/teleport not apps/teleport
2014-11-12 00:55 <diva> did I?
2014-11-12 00:55 <AliciaRaven> yep
2014-11-12 00:56 <AliciaRaven> i was looking because i wondered why my destination guide had stopped working at some point recently
2014-11-12 00:58 <diva> AliciaRaven I did. indeed
2014-11-12 00:58 <diva> Let me try it one more time with that format
2014-11-12 00:59 <diva> ok that was it
2014-11-12 00:59 <diva> thanks
2014-11-12 00:59 <smxy> Could you paste the format that works, please?
2014-11-12 01:00 <AliciaRaven> its strange that it works with and without the app/teleport part, also if u have // instead of // with app teleport, it tried to find a region called app
2014-11-12 01:00 <diva> now I have 2 :)
2014-11-12 01:00 <smxy> Okay, both. :)
2014-11-12 01:00 <diva> href="secondlife://UCI%20Welcome"
2014-11-12 01:00 <diva> href="secondlife:///app/teleport/Epic%20Castle"
2014-11-12 01:00 <smxy> Excellent. Now I can find it in the log when I try it eventually. Thanks!
2014-11-12 01:00 <AliciaRaven> secondlife:///app/teleport/region/128/128/30
2014-11-12 01:01 <smxy> Is tha Singularity-specific or will it work in Firestorm too?
2014-11-12 01:01 <AliciaRaven> for my page some one (not me) changed the 3 slashes to 2 so it was looking for a region named app
2014-11-12 01:01 <AliciaRaven> im using firestorm
2014-11-12 01:01 <AliciaRaven> works in both
2014-11-12 01:01 <smxy> okay
2014-11-12 01:02 <diva> phew! I'm done installing this test grid for the OnLook viewer. Just need to test it with HG teleports to see what happens
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2014-11-12 01:31 <diva> interesting. the forcible detach of attachs for HG visitors doesn't work.
2014-11-12 01:33 <BlueWall> maybe because the destination folder is locked?
2014-11-12 01:33 <BlueWall> those like to go back in the same folder
2014-11-12 01:33 <BlueWall> or, rather, they never leave it
2014-11-12 01:34 <BlueWall> maybe need some type of soft-link for them in the suitcase?
2014-11-12 01:36 <smxy> Just out of curiousity, why are you making them detach everything? Won't they be bald, shoeless, etc.?
2014-11-12 02:54 <diva> smxy I'm working on a camera-view mode, so your avatar disappears
2014-11-12 02:54 <diva> but attachments are a problem so I think I'll just leave them alone
2014-11-12 02:56 <AliciaRaven> diva wouldnt taking them off effect other peoples view of the avatar, can u just bypass the avatar rendering code when in first person mode?
2014-11-12 02:57 <diva> yeah, taking them off opens a can of worms
2014-11-12 02:58 <diva> so this mode will only work well for avatars with no attachments, unless Liru finds a way of not rendering te attachments in the viewer
2014-11-12 03:01 <AliciaRaven> doesnt mouse look do that?
2014-11-12 03:02 <diva> this is completely different control
2014-11-12 03:03 <AliciaRaven> might help to see how the mouse look code prevents the rendering of the avatar though
2014-11-12 03:03 <diva> in mouse look the avatar is never in the scene
2014-11-12 03:03 <diva> seeable scene
2014-11-12 03:04 <AliciaRaven> so that method wouldnt work for your camera view?
2014-11-12 03:05 <diva> no. The camera goes anywhere
2014-11-12 03:05 <BlueWall> afaik, the attachments update themselves on detach. So, unless they are attaching them from a folder in the suitcase, they can't update because of a lack of access. 
2014-11-12 03:06 <diva> yeah, probably BlueWall. I wasn't very keen on detaching them in the forst place, so the fact that this doesn't work with HG visitors makes me simply give up on doing it server side
2014-11-12 03:06 <BlueWall> I see
2014-11-12 03:07 <diva> I really don't want to change anything on the appearnce of the avies
2014-11-12 03:07 <smxy> In mouse-look, you can't see yourself, so I'm not sure I understand why you wanted attachments off.
2014-11-12 03:08 <smxy> Just to reduce server load?
2014-11-12 03:08 <diva> smxy you can't see yourself because the camera never points at you
2014-11-12 03:08 <smxy> right, so if you can't see yourself, why does it matter if you're wearing attachments or not?
2014-11-12 03:09 <diva> this is not mouse look
2014-11-12 03:09 <smxy> ah
2014-11-12 03:09 <diva> this is more like sketchup
2014-11-12 03:09 <diva> you can move the camera anywhere
2014-11-12 03:10 <AliciaRaven> sorry it was me that brought up mouse look lol i thought that the avatar could be removed from the scene for divas camera view in the same way
2014-11-12 03:11 <diva> I don't think it can be done in the same way. Different way
2014-11-12 03:11 <diva> the avatar itself is already not being rendered, but the attachements are. Attchs seem to be more complicated to filter when rendering
2014-11-12 03:12 <smxy> Oh, so you have a bunch of walking attachments.
2014-11-12 03:12 <diva> yes :)
2014-11-12 03:12 <smxy> ah
2014-11-12 03:12 <diva> they actually don't walk
2014-11-12 03:13 <diva> the avatar doesn't move in this mode
2014-11-12 03:13 <diva> only the camera moves
2014-11-12 03:13 <smxy> But you can tell where they are.
2014-11-12 03:13 <diva> yes
2014-11-12 03:13 <smxy> got it
2014-11-12 03:14 <diva> http://imagebin.ca/v/1gwOGWlJoVGP
2014-11-12 03:14 <diva> :)
2014-11-12 03:14 <smxy> lol
2014-11-12 03:17 <diva> if Liru doesn't find a way of filtering client side, this is not a big deal. This mode is really for complete noobies who are just meant to see the 3d environment as if it was an AutoCAD model, so simple avatars will do for them, no attachments
2014-11-12 03:21 <diva> smxy can you test something for me
2014-11-12 03:27 <AliciaRaven> diva, anything i could help with?
2014-11-12 03:29 <diva> yes, if you have 5 minutes
2014-11-12 03:29 <AliciaRaven> sure
2014-11-12 03:29 <diva> and an hg-enabled world
2014-11-12 03:29 <AliciaRaven> yep
2014-11-12 03:29 <diva> could you try teleporting to http://ucigrid01.nacs.uci.edu:8002 and see if it works
2014-11-12 03:29 <AliciaRaven> k
2014-11-12 03:42 <smxy> Back. I'll try too.
2014-11-12 03:44 <smxy> Taking a very long time at "Contacting new region." and finally failed with viewer not able to connect to region.
2014-11-12 03:45 <AliciaRaven> might be down now? i was able to get in before ok
2014-11-12 03:45 <smxy> Second try and Bam! I'm there.
2014-11-12 03:53 <AliciaRaven> hopefuly the second attempt tp issue will be gone soon lol
2014-11-12 03:55 <ox64-p> loaded right away for me the first time
2014-11-12 03:56 <ox64-p> err teleported i mean
2014-11-12 03:56 <diva> coold thanks everyone. Tomorrow I'll try to make an alpha OnLook viewer release so that you can all check out the funky things wth the UI
2014-11-12 03:56 <diva> you can't see it with regular viewers
2014-11-12 03:57 <diva> but these regions are sending extra data to the viewers so that they adapt the UI, if they understand that extra protocol
2014-11-12 03:58 <smxy> Will there be a Mac version?
2014-11-12 03:59 <diva> not this week, no. I'll have to buy a Mac... or find someone who can make a build of OnLook on a Mac
2014-11-12 03:59 <smxy> Ok
2014-11-12 03:59 <diva> My only Mac is really old, I don't think it will be able to build it
2014-11-12 04:00 <ox64-p> oh cool
2014-11-12 04:03 <nebadon_laptop> fast macs are not cheap
2014-11-12 04:03 <AllenKerensky> you could just take a usb stick to the apple store and see if one of the "geniuses" at the bar can compile...
2014-11-12 04:03 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-12 04:03 <ox64-p> lol
2014-11-12 04:04 <AllenKerensky> that works better if you have a blonde named Tiffany as the one who asks ... protip for getting coding help
2014-11-12 04:05 <smxy> Or look for the gay one and be a blonde hunk named Sven. :)
2014-11-12 04:05 <ox64-p> lol
2014-11-12 04:08 <nebadon_laptop> mac pro is really expensive
2014-11-12 04:08 <nebadon_laptop> maybe find something cheaper on ebay used
2014-11-12 04:10 <nebadon_laptop> your going to need atleast something that can run the viewer too, so you can test it
2014-11-12 04:11 <ox64-p> could you not somehow run macos on a VM and compile it?  or is that just pretty much impossible?
2014-11-12 04:11 <nebadon_laptop> yes probably with lots of pain
2014-11-12 04:11 <ox64-p> dont really know anything about macs
2014-11-12 04:12 <nebadon_laptop> you would not however be able to run the viewer to test it
2014-11-12 04:16 <nebadon_laptop> looks like you can get a semi decent mac pro for like 500$ used, hard to tell the condition of it though
2014-11-12 04:16 <nebadon_laptop> mid-level is atleast a 1000$
2014-11-12 04:17 <nebadon_laptop> a new one is between 3000-5000$ though
2014-11-12 04:17 <diva> if I buy it through the university I can't buy a used one
2014-11-12 04:20 <BlueWall> Now I know why all those mac users ride bicycles to Starbucks
2014-11-12 04:22 <diva> oo, the Mac pros look relaly cool
2014-11-12 04:22 <diva> just a cylinder
2014-11-12 04:23 <BlueWall> I saw one of the curvy cased ones at the flea market last week
2014-11-12 04:23 <BlueWall> I guess 8-10 yo
2014-11-12 04:24 <BlueWall> I don't know ow they run now, but I did work for a printshop running some really old ones with the Motorola cpu and they were workhorses
2014-11-12 04:25 <AllenKerensky> Apple moved the Macs to X86
2014-11-12 04:25 <BlueWall> yeah
2014-11-12 04:25 <AllenKerensky> but I don't think Apple has licensed OSX to run on non-Apple X86 hardware
2014-11-12 04:25 <AllenKerensky> so - you can't just throw together a legal hackintosh
2014-11-12 04:26 <nebadon_laptop> ya for a nice mac with an apple display
2014-11-12 04:26 <nebadon_laptop> your looking at 4000$ mininum 
2014-11-12 04:26 <nebadon_laptop> thats the low end
2014-11-12 04:26 <nebadon_laptop> he high end your looking at 12,000$+
2014-11-12 04:26 <AllenKerensky> http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
2014-11-12 04:27 <nebadon_laptop> apple is absurd
2014-11-12 04:27 <nebadon_laptop> osx86 is a nightmare
2014-11-12 04:27 <BlueWall> I see one for nearly $4K and the specs aren't all that great.
2014-11-12 04:27 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-11-12 04:27 <nebadon_laptop> thats what im saying
2014-11-12 04:27 <nebadon_laptop> its low end for 4000$
2014-11-12 04:27 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-12 04:27 <nebadon_laptop> absurd
2014-11-12 04:27 <AllenKerensky> that site has some vmware install guides
2014-11-12 04:28 <diva> neb the iMac don't look bad, and they're under $2k
2014-11-12 04:28 <nebadon_laptop> its slow
2014-11-12 04:28 <diva> https://www.apple.com/imac/
2014-11-12 04:28 <nebadon_laptop> they run the viewer like crap
2014-11-12 04:28 <diva> quad core
2014-11-12 04:28 <BlueWall> I can deal with ugly, lol
2014-11-12 04:28 <nebadon_laptop> yea its slow
2014-11-12 04:28 <nebadon_laptop> beleive me
2014-11-12 04:28 <nebadon_laptop> for compiling the viewer
2014-11-12 04:28 <nebadon_laptop> its going to be very slow
2014-11-12 04:28 <BlueWall> yeah, viewr is a bear to compile
2014-11-12 04:29 <nebadon_laptop> ya i guess the high end one isnt too bad
2014-11-12 04:29 <nebadon_laptop> thats still a lot of money for that level of machine though
2014-11-12 04:29 <nebadon_laptop> its basically a laptop
2014-11-12 04:29 <diva> $1800
2014-11-12 04:30 <nebadon_laptop> your not going to get full desktop performance
2014-11-12 04:30 <BlueWall> maybe they have some special architecture to make them faster across the busses and peripherials
2014-11-12 04:30 <BlueWall> I don't know
2014-11-12 04:30 <nebadon_laptop> not really
2014-11-12 04:30 <diva> nope, I don't intend tp match my beastie windows machine here
2014-11-12 04:30 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-11-12 04:30 <BlueWall> the MC68000 were workhorses
2014-11-12 04:30 <BlueWall> I guess the powerpc was too
2014-11-12 04:30 <nebadon_laptop> if you can deal with 2 or 3 hourn compile times
2014-11-12 04:31 <nebadon_laptop> shouldnt be a problem
2014-11-12 04:31 <AllenKerensky> yeah powerpc with a 32-bit OS like a mach flavor was pretty nice
2014-11-12 04:31 <diva> I may buy an iMacfor 2 purposes: compile the viewer and serve as decoration in my new kitchen!
2014-11-12 04:31 <nebadon_laptop> it should run the viewer fine
2014-11-12 04:31 <BlueWall> lol Diva
2014-11-12 04:31 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-12 04:32 <diva> I'm serious :) I think my partner would totally go for the second reason, and he has more grant money than I do :)
2014-11-12 04:32 <BlueWall> could make coffee on it when you compile the viewer
2014-11-12 04:32 <diva> yeah :)
2014-11-12 04:32 <BlueWall> hehe
2014-11-12 04:33 <BlueWall> yeah, if you have grant money that would be a good way to get one.
2014-11-12 04:37 <nebadon_laptop> the new mac book pro looks like a trash can
2014-11-12 04:38 <nebadon_laptop> i mean the mac pro
2014-11-12 04:38 <nebadon_laptop> not the laptop the cylinder tower thing
2014-11-12 04:38 <diva> yeah :)
2014-11-12 04:39 <smxy> I have a 1 year old 27" iMac and I love it. A new one should be even nicer.
2014-11-12 04:39 <smxy> nebadon_laptop: The MacBook Pro should be *in* the trashcan. :)
2014-11-12 04:39 <diva> yeah, that's the one I'm looking at
2014-11-12 04:39 <AllenKerensky> if I got one, I'd make it look like the garbage robot from ICE PIRATES http://www.slightly-deranged.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/icepirates2.jpg
2014-11-12 04:40 <diva> lol
2014-11-12 04:40 <smxy> I hate that they soldered the ram onto the motherboard, forcing you to buy their expensive ram and deciding on the max you'll ever need when you buy it.
2014-11-12 04:40 <nebadon_laptop> yea 
2014-11-12 04:40 <nebadon_laptop> or that you cant replace battery on any of their products
2014-11-12 04:41 <smxy> I bought my iMac with the minimum memory from Apple then got the max from OWC.
2014-11-12 04:41 <nebadon_laptop> you literally have to send it in to get repaired, and you get a factory refurbised one back, not even the same machine
2014-11-12 04:41 <AllenKerensky> technology is expensive - and disposable
2014-11-12 04:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #3873 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-12 04:46 <smxy> Wow. I'm an idiot. I've been looking for a file, for an hour now and not finding it.
2014-11-12 04:46 <smxy> Because I'm on the wrong server.
2014-11-12 04:47 <smxy> Sigh.
2014-11-12 04:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3873: SUCCESS in 5 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3873/
2014-11-12 04:48 <osjenkins> diva: Fix the fetching of module references in the viewer support modules.
2014-11-12 04:49 <diva> NN
2014-11-12 04:54 <smxy> Night Diva
2014-11-12 15:49 <diva> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2014/11/12/opening-up-visual-studio-and-net-to-every-developer-any-application-net-server-core-open-source-and-cross-platform-visual-studio-community-2013-and-preview-of-visual-studio-2015-and-net-2015.aspx
2014-11-12 15:51 <diva> looks like Microsoft is finally embracing mono
2014-11-12 16:00 <smxy> That can only help OpenSim in the long run.
2014-11-12 16:05 <nebadon_laptop> i remember seeing this a while back, and coming to the conclusion that the stuff microsoft is release wouldnt benefit mono that much
2014-11-12 16:06 <orenh> it looks like it will kill Mono, no? The .NET runtime is faster than Mono in my experience. If they do this we'll certainly switch.
2014-11-12 16:06 <orenh> (we = Kitely. Not forcing anyone else...)
2014-11-12 16:06 <diva> the article says they're working with mono
2014-11-12 16:06 <orenh> as I understand it, 1) They'll open-source *their* .NET; 2) They'll port it to Linux and Mac OS X
2014-11-12 16:07 <diva> it doesn't seem like a separate effort, it seems like they're finally embracing mono and porting more/better things to it
2014-11-12 16:07 <diva> search for mono in the article
2014-11-12 16:07 <nebadon_laptop> http://blog.xamarin.com/
2014-11-12 16:07 <nebadon_laptop> ya you know why
2014-11-12 16:08 <orenh> ok, looks like they'll combine code from .NET and Mono
2014-11-12 16:08 <nebadon_laptop> because linux is more popular on Microsoft Azure, than MS operating systems are
2014-11-12 16:08 <orenh> that's still good news :)
2014-11-12 16:08 <nebadon_laptop> lets them sell more virtualized cloud space
2014-11-12 16:08 <nebadon_laptop> depends
2014-11-12 16:08 <diva> yes this is good news
2014-11-12 16:09 <nebadon_laptop> i can see certain operating systems like debian and redhat revolting against this
2014-11-12 16:09 <orenh> if the license is open-source then what could they object to?
2014-11-12 16:09 <orenh> because it's "the borg"?
2014-11-12 16:09 <nebadon_laptop> well inclusion in thier repositories
2014-11-12 16:10 <nebadon_laptop> there are a lot of hard core linux folks who are very anti-microsoft
2014-11-12 16:10 <orenh> I'm amazed by how much Microsoft was feared 15 years ago, and how little they're feared now
2014-11-12 16:10 <orenh> How the mighty have fallen
2014-11-12 16:10 <nebadon_laptop> ya they made a lot of bad choices
2014-11-12 16:11 <nebadon_laptop> personally I still need a lot of convincing that microsoft is doing the right thing
2014-11-12 16:12 <nebadon_laptop> personally id rather see microsoft not driving the boat at xamarin
2014-11-12 16:13 <nebadon_laptop> their behavior is so erratic lately
2014-11-12 16:13 <BeyBar> Their failure to be evil confuses you? :)
2014-11-12 16:13 <nebadon_laptop> i guess the real question is will visual studio run on linux?
2014-11-12 16:13 <nebadon_laptop> if so whats the point of all this
2014-11-12 16:13 <nebadon_laptop> really its just so microsoft can sell more servers
2014-11-12 16:14 <nebadon_laptop> its not to benefit the community
2014-11-12 16:15 <diva> if they help fix the performance of the thread pool, that would be a big help for the community :)
2014-11-12 16:15 <zadarkAlt1> Philae is confirmed, on the surface of #67P
2014-11-12 16:15 <nebadon_laptop> yea its not all bad
2014-11-12 16:15 <nebadon_laptop> http://www.zdnet.com/why-microsoft-loves-linux-7000035218/
2014-11-12 16:15 <nebadon_laptop> but this is why they are really doing it
2014-11-12 16:16 <nebadon_laptop> its not that i think microsoft is this big evil corporation
2014-11-12 16:16 <BeyBar> Sure, but so what? MIT-licensed open source .NET on all three major desktop and server platforms is amazing news.
2014-11-12 16:16 <nebadon_laptop> they really arent
2014-11-12 16:16 <AllenKerensky> embrace - extend - extinguish
2014-11-12 16:16 <nebadon_laptop> I just think they are way out of tune with the entire planet 
2014-11-12 16:16 <nebadon_laptop> their choices seem poor
2014-11-12 16:17 <AllenKerensky> they have been holding patent threats over everything they've done "open source" for a long time - I am not sure I'd rush to embrace
2014-11-12 16:17 <AliciaRaven> ms make so many 180 turns its hard to keep track
2014-11-12 16:18 <AllenKerensky> and who says another isn't due when the next CEO comes along
2014-11-12 16:18 <AllenKerensky> meanwhile its become entrenched
2014-11-12 16:18 <AllenKerensky> I think Mono is good for .NET and opensource - having a separate-but-mostly-equal keeps the playing field a bit more honest
2014-11-12 16:18 <nebadon_laptop> it is however good news for linux in then fact that Microsoft is finally seeing the writing on the wall
2014-11-12 16:19 <nebadon_laptop> that Linux is far superior to its shitty servers
2014-11-12 16:19 <AliciaRaven> after windows 8 they should be shot lol
2014-11-12 16:19 <AllenKerensky> MS still sells plenty of servers for MSSQL, Exchange, Sharepoint, etc
2014-11-12 16:19 <nebadon_laptop> oh ya Microsoft has a lot of customers locked into long term contracts
2014-11-12 16:19 <nebadon_laptop> but if this is anything
2014-11-12 16:20 <nebadon_laptop> its a turning point that microsoft is basically admitting
2014-11-12 16:20 <nebadon_laptop> they cant survive on its operating system alone
2014-11-12 16:20 <AllenKerensky> that's been true for a long time tho - Office was 40% of its revenue base for how long?
2014-11-12 16:20 <nebadon_laptop> ya the desktop market is a different beast though
2014-11-12 16:21 <nebadon_laptop> im talking about servers and cloud
2014-11-12 16:21 <AllenKerensky> Well hopefully the mono folks will stick to the "we'll implement what's released to international standards" approach
2014-11-12 16:21 <nebadon_laptop> microsoft just can't compete
2014-11-12 16:21 <nebadon_laptop> and thats what this mono deal is all about
2014-11-12 16:21 <AllenKerensky> rather than just glom onto tons of "free" MS code that comes with a raft of murky patent encumbrance along with it
2014-11-12 16:21 <nebadon_laptop> xamarin has been far to focused on mobile
2014-11-12 16:22 <nebadon_laptop> if anything this may put more focus back on server, so that is good
2014-11-12 16:22 <diva> the deal comes with a patent disclaimer
2014-11-12 16:22 <nebadon_laptop> I just hope Xamarin hasn't ceded to much control to microsoft
2014-11-12 16:23 <diva> ppl read the artcle
2014-11-12 16:23 <nebadon_laptop> ya im not worried about patents
2014-11-12 16:23 <nebadon_laptop> just whos running the show there
2014-11-12 16:23 <nebadon_laptop> im sure if microsoft wanted to they probably could have pulled the patent card on mono long ago
2014-11-12 16:25 <nebadon_laptop> should be interesting, honestly though
2014-11-12 16:25 <AllenKerensky> yeah it's definitely that
2014-11-12 16:25 <nebadon_laptop> microsoft has held a lot of control over mono from a very long time ago
2014-11-12 16:25 <AllenKerensky> and if some improvements or merging can be safely done - then its better all around
2014-11-12 16:25 <nebadon_laptop> infact, microsoft bailed Novell out of financial distress on several occasions
2014-11-12 16:26 <nebadon_laptop> at one point Microsoft bought 1000s of suse licenses for their developers as a way to give novell a financial boost
2014-11-12 16:29 <nebadon_laptop> yes on the other side of the coin though too, if opensim already can't go beyond mono 3.10
2014-11-12 16:29 <nebadon_laptop> because xamarin is pulling out .net 4.0 support
2014-11-12 16:29 <nebadon_laptop> how much more of mono is going to change to the point opensim cant run on it without major overhaul
2014-11-12 16:30 <nebadon_laptop> this is what worries me more than anything
2014-11-12 16:30 <nebadon_laptop> can the linux kernel do the same things the microsoft kernel
2014-11-12 16:30 <nebadon_laptop> to get these .net threading optimziations
2014-11-12 16:30 <AllenKerensky> well, with the MIT license and a patent promise - mergification looks doable
2014-11-12 16:31 <nebadon_laptop> its not like its all in .net, its heavily reliant on the windows kernel
2014-11-12 16:31 <AllenKerensky> it just comes down to how much the mono and opensource .net folks want to unify the code base
2014-11-12 16:31 <AllenKerensky> windows kernel and networking has been posix-fied for a while which may help keep things from getting too crazy
2014-11-12 16:32 <nebadon_laptop> yea hopefully
2014-11-12 16:37 <nebadon_laptop> the xamarin article doesnt mention any kind of .net runtime for linux
2014-11-12 16:37 <nebadon_laptop> just that visual studio will be able to open xamarin projects?
2014-11-12 16:37 <nebadon_laptop> im kind of confused now
2014-11-12 16:38 <diva> there's nothing to be confused about. Xamarin is a company that develops one specific product. It's not mono
2014-11-12 16:39 <nebadon_laptop> not mono?
2014-11-12 16:40 <diva> no. it's a specialization of mono for mobile
2014-11-12 16:40 <diva> Miguel has his own blog post: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html
2014-11-12 16:42 <nebadon_laptop> ya this is scary 
2014-11-12 16:42 <nebadon_laptop> i mean has potential for good, I just hope it doesnt break opensim 
2014-11-12 16:43 <nebadon_laptop> there are a lot of things we do differently under mono than we do under windows
2014-11-12 16:44 <diva> ... and shouldn't. Windows works much better, so if that can be ported to work well in linux that's a major plus
2014-11-12 16:44 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-11-12 16:45 <diva> I like this: "We are replacing chunks of Mono code that was either incomplete, buggy, or not as fully featured as it should be with Microsoft's code."
2014-11-12 16:46 <nebadon_laptop> we are probably going to have to do something soon to sure up opensim support for beyond mono 3.10
2014-11-12 16:46 <nebadon_laptop> which means dropping support for all versions of mono 2.x
2014-11-12 16:46 <nebadon_laptop> I think as of right now we can't go beyond that
2014-11-12 16:47 <nebadon_laptop> this is what i meant earlier, one of the opensimulator decisions
2014-11-12 16:47 <nebadon_laptop> was that we generally do not move mono support forward until all the major linux versions have that new version in thier repositories
2014-11-12 16:47 <nebadon_laptop> we may have to rethink that rule
2014-11-12 16:47 <nebadon_laptop> things could get messy there if certain flavors of linux do not like microsoft stuff in thier repositories
2014-11-12 16:48 <Ken_S> I received an email from Microsoft a few days again that says they are going to opensource the next release of their compilers.
2014-11-12 16:49 <nebadon_laptop> ya its definitely happening Ken_S
2014-11-12 16:49 <nebadon_laptop> thats what we are talking about
2014-11-12 16:49 <Ken_S> Id say that cant be anything but good news
2014-11-12 16:49 <Plugh> That's interesting. Will that have any impact on Mono?
2014-11-12 16:49 <nebadon_laptop> http://blog.xamarin.com/
2014-11-12 16:49 <Ken_S> Ahh, I just came in on the tail of the conv
2014-11-12 16:49 <nebadon_laptop> Plugh it sounds like Xamarin is getting ready to flip the table
2014-11-12 16:50 <nebadon_laptop> guess we will have to wait and see
2014-11-12 16:51 <Plugh> 
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2014-11-12 16:52 <Plugh> Ken_S: I didn't notice on there where it says anything about open sourcing code.
2014-11-12 16:52 <nebadon_laptop> i read some not so good news about Debian
2014-11-12 16:52 <Ken_S> Ive been burned by Microsoft many times for new compilers not having workable upgrade paths for existing software, so yes we will see...
2014-11-12 16:52 <nebadon_laptop> it sounds like a major rift, debian might split into 2 factions
2014-11-12 16:52 <Plugh> Oh? What's going on in that camp, nebadon_laptop?
2014-11-12 16:53 <nebadon_laptop> over systemd
2014-11-12 16:53 <Plugh> I have Xamarin installed on my laptop as the equivalent (or new name) of Monodevelop under Windows.
2014-11-12 16:53 <Plugh> Ah, yes, there is still a lot of debate about systemd
2014-11-12 16:54 <nebadon_laptop> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/21/unix_greybeards_threaten_debian_fork_over_systemd_plan/
2014-11-12 16:54 <Ken_S> Plugh: https://roslyn.codeplex.com/
2014-11-12 16:55 <osmantis> Bug #7369:04 redundant llStopMoveToTarget() calls generate unnecessary traffic 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7369 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-11-12 16:58 <osmantis> Bug #7369:04 redundant llStopMoveToTarget() calls generate unnecessary traffic 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7369 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-11-12 16:58 <Plugh> Ken_S: ty. Yes, quite interesting to see how this might help mono to get better.
2014-11-12 16:58 <nebadon_laptop> Ken_S > https://github.com/mono/roslyn
2014-11-12 17:00 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: I still don't like the move away from run levels. I would have to research if it is possible to have a machine boot only to a command prompt that normally boots to X. In the past I would just go to the right run level to do it. Now, who knows? I don't. 
2014-11-12 17:00 <nebadon_laptop> yea not sure
2014-11-12 17:00 <nebadon_laptop> i know opensuse is using all the new stuff now
2014-11-12 17:01 <AllenKerensky> hehehe the systemd fights - people remember Lennart's PulseAudio system
2014-11-12 17:01 <nebadon_laptop> and it doesnt seem like the world has ended by any means
2014-11-12 17:01 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: oh, yes I certainly do. It broke the audio system on my computer for years after.
2014-11-12 17:01 <nebadon_laptop> hard core unix/linux admins though
2014-11-12 17:01 <nebadon_laptop> good luck changing their minds
2014-11-12 17:01 <AllenKerensky> systemd is basically Solaris' "Service Management Framework" workalike for Linux
2014-11-12 17:02 <AllenKerensky> much like RPM was an improved version of Solaris sysv package format
2014-11-12 17:02 <Plugh> I liked RPM after coming from a Slackware based distro. It was the first "real" package management system I encountered for Linux.
2014-11-12 17:02 <AllenKerensky> "we believe centralizing all control services within one daemon is a slap to unix philosophy" say the folks who want /sbin/init to control everything
2014-11-12 17:03 <nebadon_laptop> I think if there is one thing that Microsoft and Linux have taught us, that unfortunately no one seems to heed, is that drastic upheaval never ends well
2014-11-12 17:03 <nebadon_laptop> unfortunately its a lesson microsoft never seems to learn
2014-11-12 17:03 <Plugh> No.
2014-11-12 17:03 <nebadon_laptop> and that is what worries me
2014-11-12 17:03 <AllenKerensky> yeah well - Fedora exists to embrace upheaval - Pulse, Gnome3, SystemD, etc
2014-11-12 17:03 <Plugh> MS seems to think people will accept whatever they toss out at the users.
2014-11-12 17:03 <AllenKerensky> and I've survived so far - coming from a NetBSD 4.3 and SCO 3 start.
2014-11-12 17:03 <nebadon_laptop> Linux tends to still give you choice though
2014-11-12 17:04 <nebadon_laptop> when the upheaval comes
2014-11-12 17:04 <nebadon_laptop> Microsoft tends to force their changes on you
2014-11-12 17:04 <nebadon_laptop> with no way back
2014-11-12 17:04 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: You know it is being accepted(?) when it gets include in RedHat.
2014-11-12 17:04 <AllenKerensky> yep - roll your own distro if you don't like the 2000 other choices
2014-11-12 17:04 <AllenKerensky> systemd is default in redhat 7
2014-11-12 17:04 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: I've seriously thought of doing that at one point.
2014-11-12 17:04 <AllenKerensky> which went general availability in august
2014-11-12 17:04 <nebadon_laptop> ya suse too
2014-11-12 17:04 <AllenKerensky> get Linux From Scratch - its a great way to get started
2014-11-12 17:04 <Plugh> yes, I found that site years ago. I have it bookmarked.
2014-11-12 17:04 <AllenKerensky> I have my own Linux From Scratch that I rolled
2014-11-12 17:05 <AllenKerensky> its a long but fun weekend
2014-11-12 17:05 <Plugh> I've rolled my own custom versions of Linux for Kiosk use in the past.
2014-11-12 17:05 <nebadon_laptop> i would say if it only takes you a weekend
2014-11-12 17:05 <nebadon_laptop> your probably already a linux pro
2014-11-12 17:05 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-12 17:05 <AllenKerensky> systemd has been pretty positive to me
2014-11-12 17:05 <AllenKerensky> the journal and monitor/restart stuff is a big step up IMO
2014-11-12 17:06 <AllenKerensky> like RPM > PKG, systemd > service management framework
2014-11-12 17:06 <nebadon_laptop> i dont think its so much people arguing that it doesnt perform well
2014-11-12 17:06 <nebadon_laptop> i think its more about people feeling like they lost some control
2014-11-12 17:06 <AllenKerensky> they do
2014-11-12 17:06 <Plugh> If it doesn't break things, prevent one from doing the things one can currently do on a machine that doesn't use systemd, and isn't adding yet another layer on top of what already exists (like PulseAudio did) then it may be ok.
2014-11-12 17:06 <AllenKerensky> and its weird to sort "milestones" versus the more predictable runlevel/steps
2014-11-12 17:06 <AllenKerensky> but you can still use init scripts within systemd
2014-11-12 17:07 <AllenKerensky> you just lose a lot of the journal and self-heal stuff
2014-11-12 17:07 <AllenKerensky> let me put it this way - after the upstart experiment - I was all for systemd
2014-11-12 17:08 <Plugh>  oh, right. Upstart is what meant we lost runlevels, IIRC
2014-11-12 17:08 <AllenKerensky> yeah and ugh
2014-11-12 17:08 <Plugh> yeah.
2014-11-12 17:08 <Plugh> I didn't like that.
2014-11-12 17:08 <AllenKerensky> systemd better than upstart
2014-11-12 17:08 <AllenKerensky> Red Hat has a great cheat sheet somewhere on their site which makes switching your thinking to systemd much easier
2014-11-12 17:09 <AllenKerensky> oh well - maybe the greybeards will figure out how to get their way without yet-another-fork
2014-11-12 17:10 <AllenKerensky> and yeah GNOME devs have had a lot of sway since GNOME2
2014-11-12 17:10 <Plugh> I'll need to plug in my laptop soon. Down to 22% (1hr 21 minutes) battery life remaining.
2014-11-12 17:10 <AllenKerensky> Fedora has broken some of that nonsense by forking itself into 3 streams - desktop, server, cloud
2014-11-12 17:10 <Plugh> Why have they had so much s(w)ay in things|
2014-11-12 17:10 <AllenKerensky> because they did the work
2014-11-12 17:11 <AllenKerensky> that's the "do-ocracy" complaint in that article
2014-11-12 17:11 <Plugh> But they also came out with Gnome 3 which a number of people didn't like.
2014-11-12 17:11 <AllenKerensky> its much like why OpenSim is what it is - the people who do the coding work get their way lol
2014-11-12 17:11 <AllenKerensky> and they needed to gnome3 - and they fixed it by 3.4
2014-11-12 17:11 <AllenKerensky> and then broke it again for wayland
2014-11-12 17:11 <Plugh> Nice. :P
2014-11-12 17:12 <Plugh> I switched to Linux Mint to stay on a Gnome 2 system.
2014-11-12 17:12 <AllenKerensky> I use a mix of XFCE and gnome - XFCE desktop management - with some gnome (and kde and everything else) apps
2014-11-12 17:13 <AllenKerensky> and its so funny to hear Linux debian hacks talk about betraying the unix philosophy
2014-11-12 17:13 <AllenKerensky> Ken Thompson (on OSF/1) "It's what passes for UNIX these days"
2014-11-12 17:13 <AllenKerensky> or something like that - Linux isn't remotely UNIX and I remember the early wars between purists and upstart linux types
2014-11-12 17:14 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-11-12 17:14 <nebadon_laptop> that sounds like what is happening wiht the Debian rift
2014-11-12 17:15 <nebadon_laptop> there are a lot of purist types in Debian
2014-11-12 17:15 <smxy> As do I, since I was Ken's SysAdmin at Bell Labs, when Linux started being used in Research there. In many ways, systemd is a terrible monster that's trying to eat the world, but it also has it's benefits.
2014-11-12 17:15 <smxy> The "As do I ..." was directed at AllenKerensky.
2014-11-12 17:15 <AllenKerensky> yeah my view as I get older and tireder is this: shut up and use what you get or make something better yourself
2014-11-12 17:16 <AllenKerensky> and the debian folks may choose to fork and go their own way
2014-11-12 17:16 <AllenKerensky> plenty of room for it on a planet of billions
2014-11-12 17:17 <smxy> I'd rather see the folks that have some legitimate concerns with systemd, drop the hysteria and work to improve it so that it's the best it can be.
2014-11-12 17:17 <nebadon_laptop> there is, but it can also have an impact on 100s of other projects too
2014-11-12 17:17 <nebadon_laptop> which is the sad part
2014-11-12 17:17 <AllenKerensky> yeah
2014-11-12 17:17 <AllenKerensky> that's the danger of forking - the fracturing of effort
2014-11-12 17:17 <AllenKerensky> we've seen that here too
2014-11-12 17:18 <AllenKerensky> and the same approach applies - some run off - some stay - and just carry on
2014-11-12 17:19 <Plugh> h-+
2014-11-12 17:19 <Plugh> oops
2014-11-12 17:21 <Plugh> If I was to roll my own system from scratch I would be inclined to drop PulseAudio. Not where I stand on the whole systemd thing. I need to read up on it.
2014-11-12 17:21 <nebadon_laptop> some more good discussion here > http://www.go-mono.com/monologue/
2014-11-12 17:21 <Plugh> Progress isn't always good.
2014-11-12 17:21 <nebadon_laptop> i have to say
2014-11-12 17:21 <nebadon_laptop> for a long time i was a pulseaudio hater
2014-11-12 17:21 <nebadon_laptop> but lately, its pretty damn good
2014-11-12 17:21 <nebadon_laptop> far superior even to windows mixer
2014-11-12 17:22 <nebadon_laptop> which is pretty horrible
2014-11-12 17:22 <Plugh> The move from grub1 to grub2 is like going back to the days of LILO in some respects.
2014-11-12 17:22 <AllenKerensky> hmmm I hadn't noticed - grub2 has been default in fedora for a while
2014-11-12 17:22 <Plugh> nebadon, I think it took 2 or maybe 3 years before PulseAudio worked with my audio hardware that was working perfectly well under ALSA.
2014-11-12 17:22 <AllenKerensky> it was grub1, upgraded, it was grub2, carry on
2014-11-12 17:22 <nebadon_laptop> Plugh, same here
2014-11-12 17:23 <nebadon_laptop> but now that it does work, i have to say i do like it
2014-11-12 17:23 <Plugh> I don't care one way or another. I just know that I can play movies, CDs, and the tune that tells me I have email without problems.
2014-11-12 17:23 <AllenKerensky> PulseAudio, it's just this simple: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pulseaudio-diagram.svg
2014-11-12 17:24 <Plugh> I just see PA as another layer on top of an already complicated system. PA on top of ALSA on top of something else.
2014-11-12 17:24 <AllenKerensky> you should LOVE that diagram then Plugh
2014-11-12 17:25 <nebadon_laptop> I didnt have a similar experience as you Plug
2014-11-12 17:25 <AllenKerensky> the fun I had with PulseAudio was finding OpenAL on that diagram
2014-11-12 17:25 <nebadon_laptop> for the longest time, audio in general really prevented me from using linux 
2014-11-12 17:25 <nebadon_laptop> so anything that eases that pain for me is good
2014-11-12 17:25 <AllenKerensky> hehehe OSS eh Neb?
2014-11-12 17:25 <nebadon_laptop> alsa never worked good either
2014-11-12 17:25 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: you need to run a grub command in grub2 if you change the grub config. That is like the old days of LILO although the update command thing is supposed to happen automatically.
2014-11-12 17:25 <nebadon_laptop> for a long time audio drove me nuts in linux
2014-11-12 17:26 -!- BeyBar(~Tommy@90-231-42-231-no42.tbcn.telia.com) has left #opensim-dev
2014-11-12 17:26 <BlueWall> I was able to do some pretty demanding stuff with ALSA, but I had to do a lot of kernel building and system tuning.
2014-11-12 17:26 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: I used to have 4 lines per entry in grub config. Now it is like a small script. I also had a case where I couldn't get the right X configuration resolution due to something odd in the grub2 configuration.
2014-11-12 17:26 <nebadon_laptop> and one thing that still drives me nuts in linux is wireless networking
2014-11-12 17:26 <Plugh> I don't see why the boot loader should have any say in the screen resolution.
2014-11-12 17:26 <AllenKerensky> Plugh on Fedora, you put most stuff in /etc/sysconfig/grub and then yes, when you update kernels or whatever, grubby gets called automatically
2014-11-12 17:27 <nebadon_laptop> finding info on what wireless network cards work in linux is difficult
2014-11-12 17:27 <nebadon_laptop> i dont own a single wifi card that doesnt require 15 hacks to make it work
2014-11-12 17:28 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: Good diagram about PA. I think I'm right to not like it that much if it is adding that much complexity.
2014-11-12 17:28 <AllenKerensky> Plugh I don't blame Linux for added complexity - the underlying X86 platform is a complex jungle
2014-11-12 17:29 <AllenKerensky> stuff like Alsa and PA paper over it
2014-11-12 17:29 <AllenKerensky> and yes, wifi seems to run into firmware blob issues
2014-11-12 17:29 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: I never had much to complain about with ALSA. It seemed to work for me. Audio was always important to me as I used my computer to play CD's and also for video. For years my computer had a TV tuner card so bad audio meant it affected my ability to watch TV using the machine.
2014-11-12 17:29 <AllenKerensky> and any number of other "rush to market before standard X was ratified" issues
2014-11-12 17:30 <nebadon_laptop> ya alot of my trouble was the hardware i had
2014-11-12 17:30 <nebadon_laptop> i always had soundblasters or wierd sound cards that never just work
2014-11-12 17:30 <AllenKerensky> emu10k lol
2014-11-12 17:30 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: There is a web site that used to list hardware compatability with WiFi drivers.
2014-11-12 17:30 <nebadon_laptop> you go to the HCL for opensuse and it has a link to download realtek driver and the link is dead
2014-11-12 17:31 <Plugh> Oh, and the other layer of complexity is with that other audio driver used by those audio professionals. It is something with a 'j' in the name?
2014-11-12 17:31 <AllenKerensky> Jack
2014-11-12 17:31 <Plugh> yea, Jack. Yet another layer to the audio system
2014-11-12 17:32 <nebadon_laptop> professional audio systems in general are very complex
2014-11-12 17:32 <Plugh> Like it is in Linux. Jack on top of PulseAudio on top of ALSA/OSS on top of the kernel device driver for the audio hardware.
2014-11-12 17:32 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-12 17:33 <AllenKerensky> PHDs - Piled Higher Designs
2014-11-12 17:33 <BlueWall> Jackd is pretty cool
2014-11-12 17:33 <Plugh> I've also generally gone with SoundBlasterf for a plug-in audio card. Never had a problem with them. Now I have been using RealTek as that is what is built in to the motherboard of the computer.
2014-11-12 17:34 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: I think the term is Piled Higher and Deeper. :)
2014-11-12 17:34 <nebadon_laptop> ive always had stuff like X-fi and other proprietary chipsets
2014-11-12 17:34 <nebadon_laptop> X-fi actually works great in linux now
2014-11-12 17:34 <nebadon_laptop> but for a long time it didnt work well
2014-11-12 17:34 <nebadon_laptop> if at all
2014-11-12 17:34 <AllenKerensky> and proprietary means "no docs - black box hacked to get working" and all that entails
2014-11-12 17:34 <Plugh> I was trying to use one D-Link card once and had to use ndiswrapper to get it working.
2014-11-12 17:34 <Plugh> Not card, USB device.
2014-11-12 17:34 <nebadon_laptop> yea sometimes ndiswrapper is your only choise
2014-11-12 17:35 <nebadon_laptop> and it usually works
2014-11-12 17:35 <AllenKerensky> ndiswrapper for mono to use .net threads? hehehe
2014-11-12 17:35 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-12 17:35 <AllenKerensky> "we know the networking is somewhere in there - ndiswrapper the entire thing"
2014-11-12 17:35 <Plugh> I have wondered whether there should be an ndiswrapper equivalent for printers to allow some of the available printers to be used in Linux that are otherwise not supported by the manufacturer.
2014-11-12 17:35 <nebadon_laptop> definitely treading into Rube Goldberg territoriy there
2014-11-12 17:36 <Plugh> :)
2014-11-12 17:36 <AllenKerensky> hmmm cups + hp driver + gutenprint always seemed to have things covered
2014-11-12 17:36 <Plugh> time for lunch, and time to plug in my laptop. It is giving me an occasional beep to let me know the battery is getting low.
2014-11-12 17:37 <Plugh> sure, if you have an HP printer and you are on an X86 based system. Try printing to some other brands of printers (especially GDI style ones), or try printing when you are using something other processor that is not X86 compatible.
2014-11-12 17:38 <Plugh> I took over a project that was stalled because the programmer didn't know enough about Linux and couldn't get an embedded system using an ARM processor to print graphs on a printer. I set up ghostscript on the device to talk to the printers it supports.
2014-11-12 17:39 <Plugh> Had to cross-compile gs to run on the ARM based system. That was a minor challenge in itself.
2014-11-12 17:40 <Plugh> time for food and to feed power to the laptop. bbl.
2014-11-12 18:09 <smxy> I hope this is accessible: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=759522297432368
2014-11-12 18:45 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-12 20:04 <Plugh> I just read the boycottsystemd.org page. If the information on it is accurate systemd is the stuff of nightmares!
2014-11-12 20:11 <smxy> There are legitimate concerns. But the folks expressing them REALLY need to skip the hysteria and concentrate on working with others to fix the flaws instead.
2014-11-12 20:47 <dahlia> hmmm my linux boxes are all running init
2014-11-12 20:48 <dahlia> oh wait I see some systemd on my kubuntu box
2014-11-12 20:54 <smxy> RHEL/CentOS 7 both use it too. 
2014-11-12 20:54 <OtakuMegane> My new server is CentOS 6 (OpenVZ wasn't ready for 7 yet) so no systemd.
2014-11-12 20:56 <smxy> It's not that it's a replacement for init scripts. It also took over many other functions in the system, acting almost as a mini operating system in it's own right. The UNIX/Linux way has always been to do one thing and do it well. Not swallow the functionality of many different parts of the OS.
2014-11-12 20:56 <Plugh> smxy: That is what I read. It takes over for so many parts of the system. Something that complex can be hard to get bug free.
2014-11-12 20:57 <OtakuMegane> ^
2014-11-12 20:57 <dahlia> lol so much for running opensim on linux then ;) *ducks*
2014-11-12 20:57 <smxy> Yes
2014-11-12 20:57 <OtakuMegane> lol
2014-11-12 20:57 <Plugh> I wonder if any high-availability systems will wind up using it.
2014-11-12 20:57 <AllenKerensky> lol its really not as bad as those grey-beards make it out
2014-11-12 20:57 <AllenKerensky> and its init compatible for apps that don't transition to unit files
2014-11-12 20:57 <dahlia> opensim does everything half-assed *ducks again*
2014-11-12 20:57 <AllenKerensky> justincc's opensim startup script works just fine on systemd
2014-11-12 20:58 <OtakuMegane> It's not the end of the world (Linux or otherwise) no. BUt it has potential to be very problematic, especially if it's not reigned in
2014-11-12 20:58 <smxy> Stop with the "grey-beards". Name-calling doesn't add one iota of usefulness to the discussion.
2014-11-12 20:58 <Plugh> No text based system logs? That seems an odd change.
2014-11-12 20:58 <AllenKerensky> the grey-beards was from the article link posted before
2014-11-12 20:58 <smxy> Yes, don't spread their hysteria and name-calling. :)
2014-11-12 20:58 <smxy> Stick to the technical issues. :)
2014-11-12 20:59 <AllenKerensky> as a grey beard myself, with the whiskers to prove it - I didn't see a problem
2014-11-12 20:59 <smxy> Which is what they should be doing too.
2014-11-12 20:59 <dahlia> I dont know enough about it to comment but IMHO init worked pretty well
2014-11-12 20:59 <AllenKerensky> anyway
2014-11-12 20:59 <AllenKerensky> journal works side by side with rsyslog and you can do text logs if you want
2014-11-12 20:59 <smxy> Same here, AllenKerensky, but it is mostly used as a perjorative.
2014-11-12 21:00 <AllenKerensky> heh smxy when I hear greybeards - I think of the dilbert "here's a nickel, buy a real computer" cartoon which matches the debian fork guys to a T
2014-11-12 21:00 <smxy> heh
2014-11-12 21:00 <AllenKerensky> search the red hat site for the systemd cheat sheet - its a pretty good quick ramp up
2014-11-12 21:00 <dahlia> forking an OS is no small venture
2014-11-12 21:01 <AllenKerensky> I have to run for an hour or so - but I can dig up the cheet sheet later if someone needs me to
2014-11-12 21:01 <smxy> Yes, I've been using it so I knew how to start and stop my services on CentOS 7. I'll learn more as I need it.
2014-11-12 21:02 <smxy> I think they're nuts to consider forking. They claim they don't have time to deal with stuff, but they have time to deal with creating and maintaining a fork? I think not. Better to focus their time and energy on improving systemd, which can be done.
2014-11-12 21:03 <OtakuMegane> I don't mind some consolidation of functions if they're really related and it improves things. systemd just extends a lot further than I'd be comfortable for something so central, especially on a server. SIngle point of failure is bad.
2014-11-12 21:03 <smxy> yup
2014-11-12 21:04 <Plugh> I agree
2014-11-12 21:04 <dahlia> well I really despise dependency creep and if systemd requires me to replace half my os just to access some API that's always been there then ya I dont like it
2014-11-12 21:05 <OtakuMegane> Interestingly it seems the desktop Linux world is more concerned than the server world. I'm the opposite - I want fine control of my server if/when needed but as long as I can do the stuff I want and it works well I don't overly care on my home system.
2014-11-12 21:05 <Plugh> dahlia: yea, dependency system is bad enough that so many packages rely on another and you wind up filling your disk space with a lot of stuff you don't really need.
2014-11-12 21:06 <dahlia> Plugh: and often adding all that crap breaks other things I need 
2014-11-12 21:06 <dahlia> I like small, self contained packages
2014-11-12 21:06 <Plugh> I haven't experienced that yet. I don't know I used to be able to have a small root of around 12G and now I need 20G to leave room for future packages I want to add.
2014-11-12 21:07 <dahlia> and I dont like bost for that very same reason
2014-11-12 21:07 <dahlia> *boost
2014-11-12 21:07 <Plugh> 
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2014-11-12 21:07 <Plugh> bbiab.
2014-11-13 02:23 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/oscc/cc.opensimulator.org/munin/opensimulator.org/cc.opensimulator.org/index.html
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2014-11-13 08:01 <ssm2017[Away]> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/somasegar/archive/2014/11/12/opening-up-visual-studio-and-net-to-every-developer-any-application-net-server-core-open-source-and-cross-platform-visual-studio-community-2013-and-preview-of-visual-studio-2015-and-net-2015.aspx
2014-11-13 08:04 <zadarkAlt1> ssm2017 link posted yesterday followed by what I would describe as a series of rants lol. Good thing is that the .net framework will be secure across multiple platforms.
2014-11-13 08:15 <ssm2017[Away]> :)
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2014-11-13 10:08 <ssm2017[Away]> ok, seen it now :)
2014-11-13 14:40 <nebadon> just a heads up anyone looking for me, i may not have internet for a few days, power went out in my area the middle of the night, and my internet has not come back, talking to comcast they dont see anything wrong, the soonet they can get someone to my house i maybe saturday or sunday
2014-11-13 14:40 <nebadon> so until them I am pretty much without fast internet
2014-11-13 14:40 <nebadon> through my phone at the moment, but its slow
2014-11-13 14:42 <BlueWall> good luck - I'm rebuilding my system starting today so will be in a similar situation
2014-11-13 14:43 <diva> is it bad weather or what?
2014-11-13 14:47 <BlueWall> brb
2014-11-13 15:35 <nebadon_laptop> sheesh
2014-11-13 15:35 <nebadon_laptop> diva and BlueWall
2014-11-13 15:35 <nebadon_laptop> no bad weather, but some kind of power outtage / spike in middle of the night
2014-11-13 15:35 <nebadon_laptop> finally comcast fixed it
2014-11-13 15:35 <nebadon_laptop> my modem got whacked
2014-11-13 15:36 <BlueWall> good thing it didn't get into your other equipment
2014-11-13 15:36 <nebadon_laptop> my desktop workstation when i turned the mointor on was in a warning screen from the motherboard
2014-11-13 15:36 <nebadon_laptop> saying that a surge was detected and it put the motherboards into protected mode
2014-11-13 15:36 <BlueWall> uhoh
2014-11-13 15:36 <nebadon_laptop> they are fine
2014-11-13 15:36 <nebadon_laptop> the motherboard protected itself
2014-11-13 15:36 <nebadon_laptop> guess it has built in surge protection
2014-11-13 15:37 <nebadon_laptop> but my modem got whacked
2014-11-13 15:37 <nebadon_laptop> we ended up having to hold the tiny reset button on the back in for 60 seconds
2014-11-13 15:37 <nebadon_laptop> that resets the Xfinity modem back to factory settings
2014-11-13 15:37 <BlueWall> so hardware was ok?
2014-11-13 15:37 <nebadon_laptop> then they reprogrammed everything, put it back into bridged mode again
2014-11-13 15:37 <nebadon_laptop> now its working
2014-11-13 15:37 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-11-13 15:37 <BlueWall> cool
2014-11-13 15:37 <AllenKerensky> sounds like it lost the certificate - the reset also lets them push a new one down
2014-11-13 15:37 <nebadon_laptop> just the firmware got blitzed
2014-11-13 15:37 <nebadon_laptop> 2.5 hours on phone
2014-11-13 15:38 <nebadon_laptop> what a nightmare
2014-11-13 15:38 <nebadon_laptop> transfered 6 times
2014-11-13 15:38 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-13 15:38 <nebadon_laptop> got hung up on once
2014-11-13 15:38 <BlueWall> lol
2014-11-13 15:38 <AllenKerensky> some UPS have cable/F line filtering on them too
2014-11-13 15:38 <BlueWall> you didn't go cave man on the tech support did you?
2014-11-13 15:38 <AllenKerensky> might find one of those and route your cable through that
2014-11-13 15:38 <nebadon_laptop> one of the problems
2014-11-13 15:38 <nebadon_laptop> Comcast no longer gives out free batteries for their modems
2014-11-13 15:38 <nebadon_laptop> i had my modem replaced about a month ago
2014-11-13 15:38 <nebadon_laptop> that had a battery in it
2014-11-13 15:39 <nebadon_laptop> the new modem has empty slot for battery, turns out now you have to buy the battery from them if you want it
2014-11-13 15:39 <AllenKerensky> yeah I had the old one with the battery - that was mostly if you had phone service through them
2014-11-13 15:39 <nebadon_laptop> we do
2014-11-13 15:39 <nebadon_laptop> but apparantly no more free batteries
2014-11-13 15:39 <AllenKerensky> hmmm then call and ask how to get 911 when the lights are out
2014-11-13 15:39 <AllenKerensky> and they might slide that battery your way 
2014-11-13 15:39 <nebadon_laptop> answer : buy a battery
2014-11-13 15:39 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-13 15:39 <nebadon_laptop> i did ask them that
2014-11-13 15:39 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-13 15:40 <nebadon_laptop> comcast is so horrible
2014-11-13 15:40 <AllenKerensky> Oooo that's different then
2014-11-13 15:40 <nebadon_laptop> the guy couldnt tell me how much it costs
2014-11-13 15:40 <AllenKerensky> I had that a long time ago - used to be they'd jump through hoops to keep that voice line working
2014-11-13 15:40 <nebadon_laptop> i didnt feel like being on the phone another hour to find out
2014-11-13 15:40 <AllenKerensky> I guess now they've got a pet FCC guy - they don't have to pretend to care anymore
2014-11-13 15:40 <nebadon_laptop> just another corner they can cut
2014-11-13 15:41 <nebadon_laptop> i glad they were able to reflash modem
2014-11-13 15:41 <nebadon_laptop> because otherwise the soonest a tech could get here was monday afternoon
2014-11-13 15:41 <BlueWall> lol
2014-11-13 15:41 <AllenKerensky> you can also put your own modem on and give them the IDs from it
2014-11-13 15:41 <BlueWall> wtf do you pay them for?
2014-11-13 15:41 <nebadon_laptop> i have voice though
2014-11-13 15:41 <nebadon_laptop> so it has to be their modem I think
2014-11-13 15:41 <nebadon_laptop> i dunno
2014-11-13 15:42 <nebadon_laptop> ive not looked at 3rd party modems in forever
2014-11-13 15:42 <AllenKerensky> there should be some with 1 and 2 line
2014-11-13 15:42 <AllenKerensky> I seem to remember some but its been forever too
2014-11-13 15:42 <AllenKerensky> want to really mess with their heads - take a look at splitting your service across Uverse and Comcast - having both - I pay more than $100/mo less than when I had all the same services from one provider
2014-11-13 15:43 <AllenKerensky> their techs always look sideways at me when they see the other boxes side by side heh
2014-11-13 15:44 <AllenKerensky> takes a bit of work to do all the rate and service compares for both, then reconfigure every year or two - but that smaller monthly bill more than covers it
2014-11-13 15:44 <AllenKerensky> AND when one service goes wonky the other is usually fine
2014-11-13 15:44 <nebadon_laptop> atleast my net speeds are worth the grief
2014-11-13 15:44 <nebadon_laptop> http://www.speedtest.net/result/3906606221.png
2014-11-13 15:44 <AllenKerensky> Comcast has been taken over by their billing dept is the main problem - once you get past them to the techs and stuff things seem okay
2014-11-13 15:44 <nebadon_laptop> i told one of the guys
2014-11-13 15:45 <nebadon_laptop> that for a technology company they treat their customers in an archaic fashion
2014-11-13 15:45 <AllenKerensky> yeah I have a cheap Uverse as a backup ISP in case comcast goes south
2014-11-13 15:45 <nebadon_laptop> everytime i got transfered
2014-11-13 15:45 <nebadon_laptop> i have to reverify who i was
2014-11-13 15:45 <nebadon_laptop> give them name / phone number / social security number / first born child
2014-11-13 15:45 <nebadon_laptop> like wtf
2014-11-13 15:45 <nebadon_laptop> want me to fax you something to while im at it
2014-11-13 15:45 <AllenKerensky> for the love of pete - never get the xfinity security
2014-11-13 15:46 <AllenKerensky> comcast imperial capital cannot talk to comcast security death star - and your billing is wrecked forever
2014-11-13 15:46 <AllenKerensky> and their home automation switchAPs don't do NAT loopback heh
2014-11-13 15:47 <AllenKerensky> yeah for the country that invented the internet - the internet we end up with is pretty WTF
2014-11-13 15:47 <AllenKerensky> your choice is the phone co - who said the internet wouldn't work - or the cable co who just wants to lock you into their TV shows and block your actual internet 
2014-11-13 15:47 <AllenKerensky> "I want an ISP - not a TVSP"
2014-11-13 15:49 <AllenKerensky> and yeah - the flipside is google fiber - they call you to let you know before you know you needed it - because their server farm predicted you needed to be called
2014-11-13 15:55 <nebadon_laptop> lol ya
2014-11-13 15:55 <nebadon_laptop> comcast internet is actually good
2014-11-13 15:55 <nebadon_laptop> its their tech support that blows
2014-11-13 15:55 <nebadon_laptop> it was quite obvious to me that for the 1st 4 people i talked to
2014-11-13 15:56 <nebadon_laptop> they were reading their response from a piece of paper or something
2014-11-13 15:58 <nebadon_laptop> thank god the last guy i got knew what he was doing
2014-11-13 15:58 <nebadon_laptop> otherwise i woudl have been screwed
2014-11-13 16:09 <H-H-H> some people pay good money to get screwed :P
2014-11-13 16:10 <BlueWall> H-H-H, oldest profession in the world :)
2014-11-13 16:10 <MarcusLlew> Charging for backup power batteries sounds like another good reason for reclassification under Title II to me. 
2014-11-13 16:10 <H-H-H> that and extortion lol
2014-11-13 16:11 <BlueWall> H-H-H, both probably have their beginnings in the same place, lol
2014-11-13 16:11 <H-H-H> sorry nebadon sounds like your having a bad day just trying to put a smile on ya face :P
2014-11-13 16:14 <H-H-H> very true BlueWall lol
2014-11-13 16:14 <nebadon_laptop> :)
2014-11-13 16:16 <AllenKerensky> yeah I am not sure on Title II - the 1934 telecom law has more than 100 pages - and we only have a vague promise from FCC to "only" apply some few sections of Title II
2014-11-13 16:16 <nebadon_laptop> i guess i could file an FCC complaint
2014-11-13 16:16 <AllenKerensky> ... if granted ability to apply it all. Does 100 pages of Title II from 1934 apply to 2014?
2014-11-13 16:16 <nebadon_laptop> ive done that several times against Cox and Comcast
2014-11-13 16:16 <nebadon_laptop> its usually quite effective
2014-11-13 16:16 <MarcusLlewellyn> That "1930s" thing is being bandied about a lot. It's been updated more than a few times since then.
2014-11-13 16:17 <nebadon_laptop> back when comcast we Comcast@hHome
2014-11-13 16:17 <nebadon_laptop> long before xfinity
2014-11-13 16:17 <nebadon_laptop> i did a self install of my modem, 6 weeks it didnt work
2014-11-13 16:17 <nebadon_laptop> every day calling them
2014-11-13 16:17 <AllenKerensky> yeah it had to be updatd with the 1956 consent decree to regulate AT&T further
2014-11-13 16:17 <nebadon_laptop> finally i filed a report with FCC
2014-11-13 16:17 <AllenKerensky> and then they had to break AT&T up in 82
2014-11-13 16:17 <nebadon_laptop> the next day the Regional Vice President of Comcast
2014-11-13 16:17 <nebadon_laptop> called me directly
2014-11-13 16:17 <nebadon_laptop> and withing 20 minutes the modem was working
2014-11-13 16:18 <AllenKerensky> so - again - Title II - does not apply well or even enough
2014-11-13 16:18 <MarcusLlewellyn> Since I could wind up with comcast, I've been worried about their modems. I really want one without their stupid router in it, and I read on forums that putting in in bridged mode doesn't always stick.
2014-11-13 16:18 <nebadon_laptop> it does
2014-11-13 16:18 <nebadon_laptop> their modems are fine in bridged mode
2014-11-13 16:18 <nebadon_laptop> actually their internet service is quite good
2014-11-13 16:18 <nebadon_laptop> just pray you dont have to call support line
2014-11-13 16:18 <nebadon_laptop> i have zero complaints about the services quality itself
2014-11-13 16:18 <MarcusLlewellyn> I still don't know if I'll wind up on Comcast, Charter, or this other new company if the merger goes through. That's annoying.
2014-11-13 16:19 <nebadon_laptop> and most of the time their service is good
2014-11-13 16:19 <nebadon_laptop> their support i mean
2014-11-13 16:19 <nebadon_laptop> id say 8 times out 10 i get good tech support
2014-11-13 16:19 <nebadon_laptop> then there is those 2 times that you wish you could strangle someone over a phone line
2014-11-13 16:20 <MarcusLlewellyn> I'm pretty sure the telecomunications act also got updated in the late 90's. About the time telcos had to start allowing others to resell their lines.
2014-11-13 16:20 <nebadon_laptop> and I have to say
2014-11-13 16:20 <nebadon_laptop> in all my years ive never seen anything like ive experienced today
2014-11-13 16:20 <MarcusLlewellyn> Cable co's briefly had the same obligation, but it was struck down. They were an info service, not a comm service, and so didn't have to.
2014-11-13 16:20 <nebadon_laptop> i dont think the people i was talking to had before either
2014-11-13 16:21 <nebadon_laptop> i think bridged mode got whacked
2014-11-13 16:21 <nebadon_laptop> and my modem was in a limbo state between bridged and not bridged
2014-11-13 16:21 <nebadon_laptop> the modem was aquiring a signal and ip address according to them
2014-11-13 16:21 <MarcusLlewellyn> Cool. DSLreports doesn't always put my mind to ease about things like the bridged mode. heh
2014-11-13 16:21 <nebadon_laptop> but it was not assigning my router or laptop an ip
2014-11-13 16:21 <BlueWall> nebadon_laptop, maybe they outsourced their service to AT&T
2014-11-13 16:21 <nebadon_laptop> they do
2014-11-13 16:22 <nebadon_laptop> but generally their outsourced is better
2014-11-13 16:22 <BlueWall> 0.0
2014-11-13 16:22 <nebadon_laptop> because the outsourced support only gets so many screw ups
2014-11-13 16:22 <nebadon_laptop> before they get put on probation
2014-11-13 16:22 <nebadon_laptop> but the inhouse people dont give a shit
2014-11-13 16:22 <BlueWall> lol
2014-11-13 16:22 <nebadon_laptop> they have no punishment system
2014-11-13 16:22 <nebadon_laptop> the outsourced guys are usually amazing
2014-11-13 16:22 <nebadon_laptop> because they risk not getting paid
2014-11-13 16:22 <nebadon_laptop> if they make a mistake
2014-11-13 16:23 <BlueWall> installed kde and backed out. too different for me to deal with right now.
2014-11-13 16:23 <nebadon_laptop> aww
2014-11-13 16:24 <nebadon_laptop> KDE is very much like windows how its layed out
2014-11-13 16:24 <nebadon_laptop> thats another reason i like it
2014-11-13 16:24 <nebadon_laptop> its not a drastic change from windows
2014-11-13 16:24 <BlueWall> I only have the single machine for server + workstation right now, so need to stay close to shore :)
2014-11-13 16:24 <nebadon_laptop> yea
2014-11-13 16:24 <nebadon_laptop> makes sense
2014-11-13 16:24 <nebadon_laptop> changing a UI can be frustrating
2014-11-13 16:24 <nebadon_laptop> even if it does everything you want
2014-11-13 16:24 <MarcusLlewellyn> I kinda like Gnome becuase it's nothing like Windows. ;)
2014-11-13 16:24 <BlueWall> ++
2014-11-13 16:25 <nebadon_laptop> i switch back and forth a lot
2014-11-13 16:25 <nebadon_laptop> so having common components is much more comforting to me
2014-11-13 16:25 <BlueWall> The thing I miss about this one is not being able to toggle the window
2014-11-13 16:25 <BlueWall> the whole thing dissapears.
2014-11-13 16:25 <MarcusLlewellyn> Don't get me wrong... Gnome pissed me off in many other wonderful and amazing ways. But, just for me, I find I can just sit down at it and do my work without it getting in my way.
2014-11-13 16:25 <nebadon_laptop> ya one of the things with KDE
2014-11-13 16:25 <BlueWall> I hope we never do our users like Gnome does us
2014-11-13 16:26 <nebadon_laptop> you have to switch it to desktop mode
2014-11-13 16:26 <nebadon_laptop> which is not the default
2014-11-13 16:26 <nebadon_laptop> once you do that
2014-11-13 16:26 <nebadon_laptop> its much easier to handle it
2014-11-13 16:26 <BlueWall> ohh, all that clutter isn't the desktop?
2014-11-13 16:26 <nebadon_laptop> no that wierd hovering window
2014-11-13 16:26 <nebadon_laptop> thats so annoying
2014-11-13 16:26 <nebadon_laptop> there are 3 dots
2014-11-13 16:26 <nebadon_laptop> on the task bad
2014-11-13 16:26 <nebadon_laptop> bar*
2014-11-13 16:26 <nebadon_laptop> if you click that it gives you options for different desktop modes
2014-11-13 16:27 <nebadon_laptop> there is one that makes it a normal desktop with shortcut icons
2014-11-13 16:27 <BlueWall> ahh, ok
2014-11-13 16:27 <nebadon_laptop> i always forget about that
2014-11-13 16:27 <nebadon_laptop> its the first thing i do on a fresh machine
2014-11-13 16:27 <BlueWall> I was thinking why do they eat 1/4 of my real estate for stuff I don't mostly want or need
2014-11-13 16:27 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-11-13 16:28 <nebadon_laptop> i have my workstation all nice
2014-11-13 16:28 <nebadon_laptop> with all kinds of cool widgets
2014-11-13 16:28 <nebadon_laptop> shows me hardware stats
2014-11-13 16:28 <nebadon_laptop> the battery power left in my mouse
2014-11-13 16:28 <nebadon_laptop> temps etc..
2014-11-13 16:29 <nebadon_laptop> i'll show you my desktop
2014-11-13 16:29 <nebadon_laptop> 1 sec
2014-11-13 16:29 <BlueWall> ok
2014-11-13 16:29 <nebadon_laptop> have to reboot from windows 7
2014-11-13 16:29 <BlueWall> This behaves much better on a clean install
2014-11-13 16:30 <nebadon_laptop> i actually have suse running from a USB3 SSD 128gb drive
2014-11-13 16:30 <nebadon_laptop> its surprisingly fast
2014-11-13 16:30 <BlueWall> I am going to have to come up with a better strategy for my work files
2014-11-13 16:31 <BlueWall> haa, that would be great - all the work files on fixed disk and run distros from plugin media 
2014-11-13 16:31 <nebadon_laptop> hah my usb hub was off
2014-11-13 16:31 <nebadon_laptop> stupid power outage
2014-11-13 16:31 <BlueWall> but, I have a whole lot of things going on in my server and it's too coupled to the distro/os
2014-11-13 16:32 <nebadon_laptop> ok hang on a sec have to reboot again
2014-11-13 16:32 <nebadon_laptop> external usb hub was off when it turned on
2014-11-13 16:32 <nebadon_laptop> so nothing got detected
2014-11-13 16:35 <nebadon_laptop> ok here we go
2014-11-13 16:36 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/opensuse13.2_desktop_01.png
2014-11-13 16:36 <nebadon_laptop> there you go BlueWall
2014-11-13 16:36 <nebadon_laptop> those 3 dots in bottom right
2014-11-13 16:36 <nebadon_laptop> is what you want
2014-11-13 16:36 <nebadon_laptop> Desktop Icons
2014-11-13 16:36 <nebadon_laptop> is what you want
2014-11-13 16:37 <BlueWall> ahh, ok
2014-11-13 16:37 <BlueWall> I saw them, but didn't know what they were
2014-11-13 16:37 <nebadon_laptop> sorry bottom left
2014-11-13 16:37 <nebadon_laptop> heh
2014-11-13 16:39 <H-H-H> bah godaddy screwed up my mysql install so phpmyadmin is telling me i dont have access to any db,s using my master user and pass lol 
2014-11-13 16:39 <nebadon_laptop> heh i hate godaddy
2014-11-13 16:41 <H-H-H> i already had to call them up as they forgot to add my domain when i paid for it lol but they had it sorted in under 5 mions
2014-11-13 16:42 <BlueWall> Dannica Patric works for them now?
2014-11-13 16:43 <nebadon_laptop> i used to live a few blocks from them
2014-11-13 16:43 <nebadon_laptop> in Scottsdale
2014-11-13 16:43 <H-H-H> sorry i dunno a) who that is and b) if they work there lol
2014-11-13 16:43 <nebadon_laptop> Paypal too
2014-11-13 16:43 <nebadon_laptop> they are not far from each other
2014-11-13 16:43 <nebadon_laptop> Dannica Patric is a nascar driver
2014-11-13 16:44 <nebadon_laptop> they sponsor her car
2014-11-13 16:44 <BlueWall> and dns admin
2014-11-13 16:44 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-13 16:44 <H-H-H> o
2014-11-13 16:44 <H-H-H> 
ACTION goes and sits in the dumb corner :P

2014-11-13 16:45 <BlueWall> She was racing someone in their rolling office chairs and wiped out in turn 3 crashing into the rack of servers
2014-11-13 16:45 <BlueWall> http://www.nascar.com/en_us/sprint-cup-series/drivers/danica-patrick.html
2014-11-13 16:51 <BlueWall> nebadon_laptop, are you running VirtualBox from the distro or from Oracle?
2014-11-13 16:51 <nebadon_laptop> oh taht screenshot is bare metal
2014-11-13 16:51 <nebadon_laptop> no virtual
2014-11-13 16:51 <nebadon_laptop> but on windows i run the download from Oracle
2014-11-13 16:51 <nebadon_laptop> i usually dont run virtualbox inside of windows
2014-11-13 16:52 <nebadon_laptop> i have in the past
2014-11-13 16:52 <BlueWall> that icon on the desktop looks like the oracle one
2014-11-13 16:52 <nebadon_laptop> i usually install it myself
2014-11-13 16:52 <nebadon_laptop> yes i beleive it is
2014-11-13 16:52 <nebadon_laptop> because everytime i update kernel
2014-11-13 16:52 <nebadon_laptop> i have to run a command to fix virtualbox
2014-11-13 16:52 <BlueWall> I might do the same
2014-11-13 16:52 <BlueWall> I put the distro one in, but maybe I'll go with the Oracle one
2014-11-13 16:53 <nebadon_laptop> i always like to run the latest version
2014-11-13 16:53 <nebadon_laptop> repos are too slow
2014-11-13 16:53 <nebadon_laptop> that machine is dual boot
2014-11-13 16:54 <nebadon_laptop> its normally running windows 7 most of the time
2014-11-13 16:54 <BlueWall> I hope SuSE doesnt drag their feet with the Mono/M$ work about to happen.
2014-11-13 16:54 <nebadon_laptop> what is awesome about virtualbox though
2014-11-13 16:54 <nebadon_laptop> is i can access the same vms in either windows or linux
2014-11-13 16:54 <MarcusLlewellyn> I use my distros repos for 99% of things, cuz easy. But for some things you need to use the source, Luke. Mono is one, VBox is another.
2014-11-13 16:54 <nebadon_laptop> i keep the virtualbox disk images on a 3TB NTFS drive that i have mounted in linux too
2014-11-13 16:55 <nebadon_laptop> i need to order a new wifi card
2014-11-13 16:55 <nebadon_laptop> the card i have in that machine dosnt work well in linux
2014-11-13 16:55 <nebadon_laptop> so whenver i fire up linux i plug my cell phone in
2014-11-13 16:56 <nebadon_laptop> and tether to the local wifi via the cell phone
2014-11-13 16:56 <nebadon_laptop> mostly why i am in windows 7 a lot of the time
2014-11-13 16:56 <BlueWall> I have miles of cable here, lol
2014-11-13 16:56 <nebadon_laptop> my router and modem are downstairs
2014-11-13 16:56 <nebadon_laptop> like 100 feet away
2014-11-13 16:57 <nebadon_laptop> be a real pain to run wires
2014-11-13 16:57 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yay basements. :)
2014-11-13 16:57 <nebadon_laptop> its a good wifi router though
2014-11-13 16:57 <BlueWall> you need my 5ft. drill :D
2014-11-13 16:57 <nebadon_laptop> on 5ghz i can do up to 867mbps or something
2014-11-13 16:58 <MarcusLlewellyn> Sometimes you have to be wired. I couldn't have streamed for the conference on Wifi, and I'm 10ft away from my AP point with complete line of sight.
2014-11-13 16:59 <nebadon_laptop> thats how my old router was
2014-11-13 16:59 <nebadon_laptop> this new router is solid
2014-11-13 16:59 <nebadon_laptop> sometimes its faster than my wired connections
2014-11-13 17:00 <nebadon_laptop> sounds like my old microsoft wireless keyboard
2014-11-13 17:00 <MarcusLlewellyn> I have the older model version that you have. The Asus n16. It's pretty solid.
2014-11-13 17:00 <nebadon_laptop> where you basically had to have the wireless receiver no more than 6 inches from the keyboard
2014-11-13 17:00 <nebadon_laptop> or it didnt work
2014-11-13 17:01 <nebadon_laptop> and it took 3 batteries
2014-11-13 17:01 <nebadon_laptop> so you couldnt use rechargables
2014-11-13 17:01 <nebadon_laptop> i hate microsoft
2014-11-13 17:01 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-13 17:01 <Plugh> Stupid Windows os. I was trying to read the scroll back to catch up on what was being talked about here and Pidgin went in to that "Not Responding" state that happens so often when I try and do things on the laptop. This time it wasn't coming out of it so I had to kill the program so I lost all the text in the scrollback.
2014-11-13 17:01 <Plugh> grrr
2014-11-13 17:01 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: Does the modem have a way to save and restore its settings?
2014-11-13 17:01 <nebadon_laptop> the xfinity modem?
2014-11-13 17:02 <nebadon_laptop> its just a modem no router
2014-11-13 17:02 <MarcusLlewellyn> Mine's fine for everything around the house, slinging files or media around. But when it came to streaming, I was getting too much latency and bandwidth variability for UStream to handle.
2014-11-13 17:02 <nebadon_laptop> i have an external router
2014-11-13 17:02 <Plugh> that one that locked up on you and you had to hold the little button down for 60 seconds
2014-11-13 17:02 <nebadon_laptop> the only settings in the modem were only acccesible by comcast
2014-11-13 17:02 <Plugh> oh, ok
2014-11-13 17:02 <nebadon_laptop> its like your cert and account data
2014-11-13 17:03 <nebadon_laptop> that says how fast your allowed to go etc..
2014-11-13 17:03 <nebadon_laptop> i guess the power spike clobbered the data or something
2014-11-13 17:03 <Plugh> Power cycling it didn't help?
2014-11-13 17:03 <nebadon_laptop> no
2014-11-13 17:03 <nebadon_laptop> they even reset it from their end
2014-11-13 17:03 <nebadon_laptop> and that wasnt enough
2014-11-13 17:03 <Plugh> ok. It really did get confused.
2014-11-13 17:03 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-11-13 17:03 <nebadon_laptop> what was odd
2014-11-13 17:03 <nebadon_laptop> is from their end it was showing full connection
2014-11-13 17:03 <nebadon_laptop> ip address aquired
2014-11-13 17:03 <nebadon_laptop> but none of that was showing on my end
2014-11-13 17:04 <nebadon_laptop> was stuck in some wierd state i guess
2014-11-13 17:04 <Plugh> hm... that is odd
2014-11-13 17:04 <nebadon_laptop> even hooked a hard line from laptop to modem
2014-11-13 17:04 <nebadon_laptop> and still wasnt connecting
2014-11-13 17:05 <MarcusLlewellyn> I've had that sorta thing happen under different circumstances. "Sir, we see everything as being hunky dory here." "I'm looking at the modems status page, and it isn't connecting. You're mistaken." "We'll send someone out." Three service calls later....
2014-11-13 17:05 <nebadon_laptop> ya what pissed me off most
2014-11-13 17:05 <Plugh> I remember the Terayon modem I used to have wasn't one you could access as it needed a password. A search on the internet turned up a password for those modems. Seems the cable company never changed it and used the default. I was able to get in to the modem and look at the settings.
2014-11-13 17:05 <nebadon_laptop> is the guy was like you need to hook up a computer directly to modem or i cant help
2014-11-13 17:05 <nebadon_laptop> so i do that, and still no luck
2014-11-13 17:05 <nebadon_laptop> he says your laptop must be broken
2014-11-13 17:05 <MarcusLlewellyn> I lie in those circumstances, because I know they're full of it.
2014-11-13 17:05 <nebadon_laptop> a brand new 2 month old Lenovo High End Gaming machine
2014-11-13 17:06 <Plugh> typical. Blame the customers equipment. It isn't ever a problem with the equipment they provide.
2014-11-13 17:06 <Plugh> :P
2014-11-13 17:06 <nebadon_laptop> ya thank god for the last guy i spoke to
2014-11-13 17:06 <nebadon_laptop> he knew what he was doing
2014-11-13 17:06 <Dev_Random> heh.. how about "oh you're using linux?  we don't support linux behind our modems"
2014-11-13 17:06 <MarcusLlewellyn> And when they do send someone in person, I make it as simple as possible. I hook up a laptop directly to the modem, so they can't go blaming my LAN or anything on it.
2014-11-13 17:07 <nebadon_laptop> had me fixed in like 20 minutes
2014-11-13 17:07 <nebadon_laptop> but i was literally on the phone for 2.5 hours
2014-11-13 17:07 <Plugh> yea, you have to get through to the person who really knows something and isn't just following some standardr script.
2014-11-13 17:07 <MarcusLlewellyn> If you're lucky you used to be able to get escalated to an honest to goodness engineer.
2014-11-13 17:09 <Plugh> When my Terayon cable modem started acting up by constantly dropping connections momentarily I put in a service call. The person that came poked around and left and nothing had changed. The person that came on the second service call said that as soon as they hear of problems involving a Terayon modem they swap it out. He came to the door holding a box with a new (different brand) modem in his hand.
2014-11-13 17:10 <nebadon_laptop> http://xkcd.com/806/
2014-11-13 17:10 <nebadon_laptop> i love this comic
2014-11-13 17:10 <nebadon_laptop> shibboleet!
2014-11-13 17:10 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-13 17:10 <MarcusLlewellyn> Similiar symptoms for me, but it was the line from the pole to my home that needed replacing. Took three technications to figure that out... the first two whipped out their lil meter, declared everything was fine, and left. I made them meaure at multiple points, but they were still useless.
2014-11-13 17:11 <MarcusLlewellyn> That's a good comic. Most of them are. lol
2014-11-13 17:13 <Plugh> yeah, that is a good cartoon. There are so many good ones on xkcd
2014-11-13 17:14 <MarcusLlewellyn> This one makes me think of OpenSim or the viewer sometimes: http://xkcd.com/1172/
2014-11-13 17:14 <Plugh> geeze... its hard to get work done in the morning when the cat keeps meowing for me so often.
2014-11-13 17:15 <nebadon_laptop> lol spacebar heating
2014-11-13 17:15 <Plugh> I'm going to pass that one on to another IRC chat as we've had people complaining about code changes breaking workflow.
2014-11-13 17:22 <MarcusLlewellyn> The tooltip on that comic is especially hilarious.
2014-11-13 17:27 <Plugh> hehe
2014-11-13 17:27 <Plugh> ok, lunch time. bbl.
2014-11-13 17:27 <nebadon_laptop> lol your update murders children
2014-11-13 17:27 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-13 17:32 <MarcusLlewellyn> Reminiscent of more than a little bit of the hyperbole that winds up in places like LL's JIRA.
2014-11-13 17:33 <AllenKerensky> this is why the gnome folks gave up with metacity and said "we pick the defaults - don't like it - don't run it"
2014-11-13 17:34 <AllenKerensky> that comic reminds me of some of the Xresources hacks I've seen out there
2014-11-13 17:34 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yeah. I appreciate their thinking in wanting to take control of their direction in that way, but they've gotten more than bit extreme about it.
2014-11-13 17:35 <MarcusLlewellyn> My main complaint is the Gnome feels like a giant, neverending experimental release. It's gotten better since about 3.8 or so, but still.
2014-11-13 17:35 <AllenKerensky> and emacs? someone just needs to figure out how to get grub to boot direct to emacs and release emacos and be done
2014-11-13 17:36 <AllenKerensky> well yeah - in a sense Marcus - all Big Ball of Mud software is exactly that - an experiment in progress
2014-11-13 17:38 <AllenKerensky> i read a pretty good argument once that if the version numbers increase over time - you're never going be done
2014-11-13 17:41 <MarcusLlewellyn> True enough. But it's unpolished bits sometimes seem to outnumber the polished ones. It is possible to have stable bits while working on other bits. Up until around 3.8 or 3.10, Gnome was just in flux almost everywhere. And while it's better, it still difficult to count on anything being the same from point release to point release.
2014-11-13 17:41 <MarcusLlewellyn> Blender had the same issue throughout the entire 2.5 series.
2014-11-13 17:42 <MarcusLlewellyn> 2.7 is shaping up to be the same way. I think they're treating their odd point numbers as unstable, more or less.
2014-11-13 17:43 <AllenKerensky> cathedral vs. bazaar in design and coding 
2014-11-13 17:43 <AllenKerensky> and the evens/odds development seems to appear here and there around
2014-11-13 17:43 <MarcusLlewellyn> I wouldn't mind if Gnome adopted it.
2014-11-13 17:43 <AllenKerensky> Solaris used to be like that - even number releases were good - odd number releases were run away! run away!
2014-11-13 17:44 <AllenKerensky> but much software is code, redesign, code some more - etc ... the measure once, cut twice model
2014-11-13 17:46 <MarcusLlewellyn> I'm watching Blender's 2.7 cycle. They've finally got baking for the new renderer, but it's just awful, and I mean awful, for creating game engine assets.
2014-11-13 17:46 <MarcusLlewellyn> The old renderer really wasn't better for the sort of workflow OpenSim content creators need, so I'm hoping, very much, that they address that.
2014-11-13 20:34 <nebadon> lol the new southpark is about oculus rift
2014-11-13 21:12 <paulieflomar> gotta check that one out!
2014-11-13 21:54 <LiruCookies> nebadon: When did AouthPark season start?
2014-11-13 22:48 <diva> anyone has 15 minutes to help test OnLook?
2014-11-13 22:53 <LiruCookies> diva: I'm home, if you need anything from me.
2014-11-13 22:54 <diva> do you have access to an HG-enabled grid where you can login?
2014-11-13 23:21 <LiruCookies> diva: I can go through OSCC, if it's still up.
2014-11-13 23:23 <diva> yes, that will work. So here's what you could do. Install OnLook from the installer here: http://www.metaverseink.com/cgi-bin/link_counter.php?url=http://metaverseink.com/download/OnLook_1-8-6-6274_Setup.exe Check if it installs ok, if you can run it without problems.
2014-11-13 23:23 <diva> then login somewhere.
2014-11-13 23:23 <diva> Then teleport to http://ucigrid01.nacs.uci.edu:8002
2014-11-13 23:24 <diva> check that the UI changes -- no menu bar, and the tool bar is completely different than the one you got on login
2014-11-13 23:24 <diva> then pull up Destinations and go to Epic Castle
2014-11-13 23:24 <diva> check that you get the camera-only mode
2014-11-13 23:24 <diva> you can't do much there, bu there is at least one object near where you land that you can interact with
2014-11-13 23:25 <diva> in order to get back home, choose destinations again and go back to Conference Center, then from there, you can go home
2014-11-13 23:26 <LiruCookies> Installs okay, runs without problems.
2014-11-13 23:26 <LiruCookies> Teleported.
2014-11-13 23:27 <LiruCookies> No menubar, different toolbar.
2014-11-13 23:27 <diva> cool!
2014-11-13 23:29 <LiruCookies> When I click Epic Castle, I get a landmark popping up, isn't there a way to get it so it just offers you a teleport, or do you want it as a landmark?
2014-11-13 23:29 <LiruCookies> I am in camera only mode
2014-11-13 23:31 <diva> Cool
2014-11-13 23:31 <diva> Liru, I don't know a more direct spec for teleport. Do you know?
2014-11-13 23:31 <diva> I'm using secondlife://Epic Castle I think
2014-11-13 23:32 <LiruCookies> Give me a second, I think there is
2014-11-13 23:34 <LiruCookies> Try this
2014-11-13 23:34 <LiruCookies> secondlife:///app/teleport/Epic Castle
2014-11-13 23:35 <diva> k, 1 sec
2014-11-13 23:35 <LiruCookies> diva: I am not stripped in camera only mode, by the way.
2014-11-13 23:35 <diva> right
2014-11-13 23:35 <diva> I'm leaving the attachments alone
2014-11-13 23:35 <LiruCookies> Which isn't bad because my bunny doesn't look too bad without a body under that head!
2014-11-13 23:36 <diva> removing attachments doesn't work for HG visitors, so I gave up on that
2014-11-13 23:36 <diva> it would be nice to try to find a way of not rendering the attachs viewer-side, but I don't know if that's too hard
2014-11-13 23:37 <LiruCookies> That'd probably strip everyone.
2014-11-13 23:37 <LiruCookies> Or it'd only strip the user..
2014-11-13 23:37 <diva> ah, that worked, Liru -- the teleport thing
2014-11-13 23:37 <LiruCookies> So everyone you can't strip for the user, like other camera-onlys would be weird looking.
2014-11-13 23:38 <LiruCookies> Or everyone would be without attachments, including NPCs or special people.
2014-11-13 23:38 <LiruCookies> I'll have to look into it a bit more though
2014-11-13 23:38 <diva> there's no easy way of identifying the user's own attachments?
2014-11-13 23:39 <LiruCookies> The user's perhaps, but not other camera only user's.
2014-11-13 23:39 <LiruCookies> users'*
2014-11-13 23:39 <diva> that's ok
2014-11-13 23:39 <diva> I'm not entirely sure I want to ghost all real users. I think ghosting the user's avatar+attachs would be more important
2014-11-13 23:41 <ox64_p> if it's of any interest, Onlook windows viewer appears to work in wine under ubuntu linux.  Everything except the destinations window comes up and is grey, but pretty sure that's probably a wine issue and nothing to do with the program itself.
2014-11-13 23:41 <ox64_p> UI changes, no menu bar as expected when TPing to the url
2014-11-13 23:42 <diva> oh so you cant see the destinations?
2014-11-13 23:42 <ox64_p> nope, the destinations window comes up, but it's just empty
2014-11-13 23:43 <diva> in that case you can do cntrl-m to pull up the map and then teleport to Epic Castle which is on the right in the map. After that, yo'll be stuck without destinations, so yuo need to logout there
2014-11-13 23:43 <ox64_p> ok
2014-11-13 23:44 <ox64_p> ahh now i see what you mean about camera view
2014-11-13 23:44 <ox64_p> ahh now i see what you mean about camera view
2014-11-13 23:44 <ox64_p> oops
2014-11-13 23:44 <diva> :)
2014-11-13 23:44 <ox64_p> my avatar didnt seem to load though
2014-11-13 23:45 <diva> yeah your avatar will be invisible
2014-11-13 23:45 <ox64_p> only the hair attachment and this marshmellow stick i keep forgetting to put away 
2014-11-13 23:45 <diva> and hopefully Liru can find a way of making your attachs invisible too
2014-11-13 23:45 <ox64_p> ohh ok 
2014-11-13 23:45 <diva> that's the meaning of "camera-only"
2014-11-13 23:46 <ox64_p> so am i supposed to be seeing others?? I see Liru
2014-11-13 23:46 <ox64_p> well did see, they left lol
2014-11-13 23:46 <diva> yes
2014-11-13 23:47 <diva> the other avies are not filtered
2014-11-13 23:47 <diva> only your own avie
2014-11-13 23:47 <ox64_p> yay :) sounds like it's all working good 
2014-11-13 23:47 <diva> :)
2014-11-13 23:47 <diva> cool!
2014-11-13 23:47 <diva> thanks!
2014-11-13 23:47 <ox64_p> no problem
2014-11-13 23:48 <diva> and if you could go back home, you would see the UI go back to the original
2014-11-13 23:48 <diva> the UI is hanging on the fly
2014-11-13 23:48 <diva> changing
2014-11-13 23:48 <ox64_p> kinda actually depressing me now...the onlook viewer runs much faster on logging in and teleporting than the firestorm viewer that i am currently running 
2014-11-13 23:55 <LiruCookies> Okay... maybe...
2014-11-13 23:55 <LiruCookies> ox64_p: Firestorm is a slow beast.
2014-11-13 23:56 <ox64_p> yeah it is
2014-11-13 23:56 <ox64_p> i just thought it was my computer
2014-11-13 23:56 <ox64_p> i dont really know what to use...ive tried singularity, same results and lots of problems with it
2014-11-13 23:57 <LiruCookies> OnLook is Singularity based.
2014-11-13 23:58 <ox64_p> yeah, but im running it under wine, the singularity and firestorm i have are linux versions
2014-11-13 23:58 <LiruCookies> Singularity should work fne in both versions.
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2014-11-14 00:18 <LiruCookies> diva: I need a test avatar somewhere I can see them in like twenty minutes when I have this fully compiled.
2014-11-14 00:18 <diva> do you need a local account on that test grid?
2014-11-14 00:19 <diva> or do you want me to login?
2014-11-14 00:24 <LiruCookies> I need something to look at
2014-11-14 00:25 <LiruCookies> Not an account.
2014-11-14 00:25 <diva> me? I can go there
2014-11-14 00:25 <LiruCookies> Sure, in a bit, I still need to compile.
2014-11-14 00:31 <NickyP> Is there a reference for opensim console debug entries?
2014-11-14 00:32 <NickyP> maybe the help has them I'll check
2014-11-14 00:35 <NickyP> I want to look at http sequences, don't see it in help
2014-11-14 00:37 <NickyP> found it , debug http all "what are the levels?"
2014-11-14 00:40 <zadarkAlt1> level 0 - 6 increase verbose, there is also IN and OUT
2014-11-14 00:52 <osmantis> Bug #6311:04 llGiveInventoryList no longer functions as expected. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6311 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-14 00:55 <LiruCookies> diva: Should probably log on, build is almost ready.
2014-11-14 00:55 <diva> I'm there, Liru, or at least my avie is
2014-11-14 00:57 <MarcusLlewellyn> Camera view is an challenge to use. :)
2014-11-14 00:58 <diva> heheh
2014-11-14 00:58 <diva> the experts will hate it :)
2014-11-14 00:58 <diva> but you can still use the normal alt+mousedrag
2014-11-14 00:59 <LiruCookies> If you hold shift you can pan around
2014-11-14 00:59 <MarcusLlewellyn> The forward and back speeds seem.... odd. It slows down and speeds up in a way I don't quite understand. Left is right, and right is left.
2014-11-14 00:59 <diva> it slows down when you get closer to the avatar's position and accelerates as you move farther away
2014-11-14 00:59 <LiruCookies> MarcusLlewellyn: It's the same if you had alt held, normally.
2014-11-14 01:00 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yeah, I can see that. But what feels natural with the mouse feels very wrong with the keyboard.
2014-11-14 01:01 <MarcusLlewellyn> And foward and back don't so this with ALT movement.
2014-11-14 01:01 <MarcusLlewellyn> do* this
2014-11-14 01:01 <diva> they do
2014-11-14 01:02 <diva> in the normal UI, when yuo press alt and then up or down arrow it does exactly the same thing
2014-11-14 01:02 <LiruCookies> Garbage, I didn't anticipate a crash.
2014-11-14 01:02 <MarcusLlewellyn> If I zoom in and out with ALT down, I haven't personally noticed a change in speed of the sort I'm getting here. There's times when I go to an absolute crawl.
2014-11-14 01:02 <MarcusLlewellyn> Ah, I see. I'm talking with the mouse, not the KB.
2014-11-14 01:02 <diva> it's the same, Marcus. You can test it when you go back to the otehr region
2014-11-14 01:03 <LiruCookies> MarcusLlewellyn: I am not talking about what you normally have with the mouse and aly, I am talking about what you get with the keyboard and alt normally.
2014-11-14 01:03 <MarcusLlewellyn> I use the mouse for almost all camera/avatar movement, so this is new to me, I guess.
2014-11-14 01:03 <diva> you can still use the mouse here too
2014-11-14 01:03 <diva> alt-mouse
2014-11-14 01:03 <diva> but that's because we all know how to do that mechanics. Most people find that unusable
2014-11-14 01:03 <MarcusLlewellyn> yes. Which is ever so much nice. To me, anyway. Hehe. :)
2014-11-14 01:04 <MarcusLlewellyn> I think I expected something more WASDish as my preconception.
2014-11-14 01:04 <MarcusLlewellyn> Though I notice those do work.
2014-11-14 01:04 <LiruCookies> Originally, it was WASD panning.
2014-11-14 01:04 <LiruCookies> That method of input was moved to the shift modifier
2014-11-14 01:05 <diva> paning is available through pressing shift and then using the arrows
2014-11-14 01:06 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yupyup.
2014-11-14 01:06 <MarcusLlewellyn> Pitch is E or C
2014-11-14 01:06 <diva> page up/down also does that
2014-11-14 01:06 <MarcusLlewellyn> 
ACTION used the "What does this button do?" method. :)

2014-11-14 01:06 <diva> :)
2014-11-14 01:08 <MarcusLlewellyn> very cool. :) And my mesh avatar doesn't show. I was wondering about that.
2014-11-14 01:14 <diva> cool
2014-11-14 01:15 <MarcusLlewellyn> I think what I really expected was something more like the experience you get if in mouselook and flying. That's movement that'll be familiar to anyone who's played a first person PC game.
2014-11-14 01:16 <MarcusLlewellyn> But I can see mouslooking affects object interaction strategies.
2014-11-14 01:16 <LiruCookies> Mhm.
2014-11-14 01:16 <diva> no this is to be more like google earth
2014-11-14 01:17 <diva> google earth does panning by defult
2014-11-14 01:17 <diva> though
2014-11-14 01:17 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yes, and for projects like Encitra, it makes perfect sense.
2014-11-14 01:17 <LiruCookies> Mhm
2014-11-14 01:18 <diva> yeah. I hope we can make these key bindings programmable too!
2014-11-14 01:18 <LiruCookies> Programmable?
2014-11-14 01:18 <MarcusLlewellyn> That'd be killer. :)
2014-11-14 01:18 <diva> yeah Liru :) not sure if it's possible, but it would be nice to send them from the server so that I can have my fav keybindings and Marcus can have his
2014-11-14 01:19 <LiruCookies> Erm, Didn't I already say against that?
2014-11-14 01:19 <LiruCookies> It's easier to not do that..
2014-11-14 01:19 <LiruCookies> They're better off local
2014-11-14 01:20 <diva> is it hard to make them come from the server?
2014-11-14 01:20 <LiruCookies> It'd be tough to parse, and very prone to error
2014-11-14 01:21 <diva> this is not urgent, but eventually it would be very nice to do it
2014-11-14 01:22 <MarcusLlewellyn> Server side control of keybindings could also be very useful to people using OpenSim for things like RPGs or other games, I think.
2014-11-14 01:22 <diva> yes, I would think
2014-11-14 01:23 <LiruCookies> I think it'd be rather scary for the user to suddenly have a different configuration without their consent 
2014-11-14 01:24 <diva> these are different applications. Each server can provide potentially a completely different experience. Like on the web. When we start seeing webgl scenes, they all have different key bindings too
2014-11-14 01:25 <diva> which can be confusing. but hey, eventually some controls will prove to be better than others!
2014-11-14 01:25 <LiruCookies> It would also be a big vulnerability, if someone was teleporting and didn't know they were about to go to a place that changes life as they know it.
2014-11-14 01:26 <LiruCookies> Hm...
2014-11-14 01:26 <LiruCookies> No
2014-11-14 01:27 <LiruCookies> I can't get the attachments to hide with that..
2014-11-14 01:27 <MarcusLlewellyn> Isn't that what you're doing anyway? A lot of SL users would scream bloody murder taking away their precious windows.
2014-11-14 01:27 <LiruCookies> Yeah...
2014-11-14 01:27 <MarcusLlewellyn> In order to create some experiences, SimOps must have more control over the user experience. The viewer puts the majority of the power in the users hands, and that puts the kibosh on some experiences.
2014-11-14 01:29 <diva> that's.. opensim! Unlike Second Life, there really is no desire for consistent experiences, quite the contrary. The more diversity, the better. Of course, groups of people may want to provide consistent experiences like SL, or different SL but consistent. But many applications of OpenSim are completely different from SL, and that's a good thing
2014-11-14 01:30 <diva> we are competing against 3D environments in WebGL. We have an advantage on the rendering, at least for the next few years. But the Web has an advantage on the diversity of experiences
2014-11-14 01:31 <diva> but we can compete with that last point
2014-11-14 01:31 <diva> by making the viewer's UI completely programmable
2014-11-14 01:31 <diva> then we'll have the rendering advantage and the diversity advantage
2014-11-14 01:32 <MarcusLlewellyn> I realize you have your hands full, but I diid see that you at least started (finished?) moving this stuff into core. Is documentation on the way for the server side?
2014-11-14 01:32 <diva> I'll try to write some wiki pages this weekend. It's really simple for now
2014-11-14 01:32 <MarcusLlewellyn> Coolcool. Thanks. :)
2014-11-14 01:32 <diva> there's 2 modules in the OptionalModules dll
2014-11-14 01:34 <diva> afk for a bit. I'll leave my avie logged in, Liru
2014-11-14 01:36 <LiruCookies> Oki, one more recompile... maybe it's possible...
2014-11-14 01:49 <smxy> nebadon ....
2014-11-14 01:50 <smxy> Steve in Customer Service is talking to ... Steve in Customer Service and my brain is really starting to hurt. As the kids are fond of saying .... F. You. :) LOL Can't wait to see how this ends. :)
2014-11-14 01:51 <nebadon> lol
2014-11-14 01:51 <nebadon> its a fantastic episode
2014-11-14 01:55 <smxy> Oh WOW. I never expected THAT ending!. LOL
2014-11-14 01:56 <smxy> nebadon ^^
2014-11-14 02:06 <nebadon> :D
2014-11-14 02:16 <nebadon> http://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s18e07-grounded-vindaloop
2014-11-14 02:44 <diva> you knoe the video doesn't play for me
2014-11-14 02:44 <diva> not sure why
2014-11-14 02:49 <osmantis> Bug #6311:04 llGiveInventoryList no longer functions as expected. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6311 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-14 02:49 <OtakuMegane> Ahahahaha
2014-11-14 02:50 <OtakuMegane> That was a good one
2014-11-14 02:56 <nebadon> wierd diva, you probably need flash i dont think you will need anything else
2014-11-14 02:56 <diva> I have flash, I even updated it today
2014-11-14 02:56 <nebadon> huh, maybe adblocker or something?
2014-11-14 02:57 <nebadon> maybe try in firefox if your trying in flash, or vice versa
2014-11-14 02:57 <diva> no idea. Maybe I'll try a different computer
2014-11-14 02:57 <diva> oh works with firefox
2014-11-14 02:57 <nebadon> cool
2014-11-14 02:58 <nebadon> chrome has its own flash
2014-11-14 02:58 <OtakuMegane> Lol Chrome
2014-11-14 02:58 <nebadon> the update you did would have been for firefox
2014-11-14 02:59 <nebadon> its amazing though that southpark did a whole episode about oculus rift and virtual worlds lol
2014-11-14 02:59 <nebadon> i had no idea when i started watching it
2014-11-14 03:01 <OtakuMegane> I've never really watched South Park but this one was good. I did make the mistake of trying to sort out what was what near the end but then the episode was done and I avoided the inevitable headache. :)
2014-11-14 03:02 <LiruCookies> 
ACTION giggles maniacally!

2014-11-14 03:02 <LiruCookies> It works!
2014-11-14 03:02 <smxy> My head still hurts from watching it. :)
2014-11-14 03:03 <LiruCookies> diva: It works!!
2014-11-14 03:03 <LiruCookies> Mwahahahaa 
2014-11-14 03:03 <diva> yeah? invisible attachments?
2014-11-14 03:03 <diva> :)
2014-11-14 03:03 <smxy> Make a Mac version! :)
2014-11-14 03:03 <diva> I need to buy a Mac first!
2014-11-14 03:04 <smxy> Singularity makes a make version. Maybe they'd build it for you. :P
2014-11-14 03:04 <smxy> make=Mac
2014-11-14 03:05 <smxy> Actually, I wonder what's needed. I am sitting at a 27" iMac, after all ...
2014-11-14 03:05 <LiruCookies> diva: Cinder will do it.
2014-11-14 03:05 <smxy> Sweet. :)
2014-11-14 03:05 <diva> yeah?
2014-11-14 03:06 <diva> that's great!
2014-11-14 03:06 <diva> so Liru, what else works? Invisible attachments?
2014-11-14 03:07 <LiruCookies> yuh
2014-11-14 03:08 <diva> cool!
2014-11-14 03:08 <diva> push
2014-11-14 03:08 <NickyP> I had just tried editing an attachment and setting transparency to 100 and that seemed to work. 
2014-11-14 03:09 <NickyP> I think that was from a Kitty Barnette mod to allow edit of worn attachements
2014-11-14 03:12 <LiruCookies> Pushed~
2014-11-14 03:12 <diva> pulling
2014-11-14 03:18 <diva> oh sweet, Liru!
2014-11-14 03:19 <LiruCookies> You like?
2014-11-14 03:19 <diva> very very very like! :)
2014-11-14 03:19 <diva> it's perfect
2014-11-14 03:19 <LiruCookies> Great
2014-11-14 03:20 <diva> this is so cool, moving the camera around and hearing the 3d sound of the river there
2014-11-14 03:20 <diva> I'm going to package this up and replace the one I had done this afternoon
2014-11-14 03:27 <LiruCookies> cool
2014-11-14 03:38 <diva> ok, done and released.  http://www.metaverseink.com/cgi-bin/link_counter.php?url=http://metaverseink.com/download/OnLook_1-8-6-6276_Setup.exe
2014-11-14 03:45 <nebadon> where to go to test this again?
2014-11-14 03:46 <MarcusLlewellyn> http://ucigrid01.nacs.uci.edu:8002
2014-11-14 03:50 <diva> then pull up Destinations, then go to Epic Castle
2014-11-14 03:51 <nebadon> ok
2014-11-14 03:51 <nebadon> i need to reboot brb
2014-11-14 03:53 <MarcusLlewellyn> Neato. :) I see avatar shadows, though.
2014-11-14 03:55 <diva> yeah lol
2014-11-14 03:55 <diva> the shadows are still there :) Ghostly as ghost goes
2014-11-14 03:55 <MarcusLlewellyn> Me... and my... shaaaadow....
2014-11-14 04:03 <nebadon_laptop> hmm ctrl+~ is disabled for picture taking
2014-11-14 04:04 <diva> yes. the camera-only mode does not support keyboard shortcuts
2014-11-14 04:04 <MarcusLlewellyn> I've been maliciously trying to find shortcuts that still work, and failing. ;)
2014-11-14 04:04 <nebadon_laptop> ah
2014-11-14 04:04 <LiruCookies> There are none
2014-11-14 04:04 <LiruCookies> The menu is disabled, and the shortcuts are menu-driven
2014-11-14 04:04 <LiruCookies> shift-escape will reset camera, though.
2014-11-14 04:05 <MarcusLlewellyn> Ah, so you claim. I must try every single one to be convinced. ;)
2014-11-14 04:05 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/OnLook_001.png
2014-11-14 04:06 <MarcusLlewellyn> I see nebadon's mesh avatar.
2014-11-14 04:07 <nebadon_laptop> heh
2014-11-14 04:08 <skittles> @diva want a mac build? it just finished here.
2014-11-14 04:10 <MarcusLlewellyn> http://i.imgur.com/g9teDNd.jpg
2014-11-14 04:10 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/OnLook_002.png
2014-11-14 04:10 <nebadon_laptop> lol marcus
2014-11-14 04:10 <MarcusLlewellyn> I'm mesh too
2014-11-14 04:10 <MarcusLlewellyn> I dont see myself, though
2014-11-14 04:11 <MarcusLlewellyn> My hat and eyes are just regular attachments though.
2014-11-14 04:11 <nebadon_laptop> ya your the yellow sphere
2014-11-14 04:12 <MarcusLlewellyn> huh?
2014-11-14 04:13 <nebadon_laptop> you see the sphere? i think that is you in your picture and me in my picture
2014-11-14 04:13 <nebadon_laptop> i dont know what that is
2014-11-14 04:13 <nebadon_laptop> i cant select anything
2014-11-14 04:13 <nebadon_laptop> so i assumed maybe it was avatar? or is that sphere just there?
2014-11-14 04:13 <MarcusLlewellyn> We're all stacked on the same coordinates, I think.
2014-11-14 04:13 <diva> skittles did you build it on a Mac?
2014-11-14 04:13 <nebadon_laptop> hmm ya maybe
2014-11-14 04:13 <skittles> yes
2014-11-14 04:13 <MarcusLlewellyn> The sphere is an example of an interactive object. You can click on it.
2014-11-14 04:13 <diva> cool, yes, can I have it?
2014-11-14 04:14 <skittles> i am the Cinder @liru mentioned. :)
2014-11-14 04:14 <skittles> yes, where should i upload it.
2014-11-14 04:14 <diva> oh
2014-11-14 04:14 <diva> hi Cinder :)
2014-11-14 04:14 <skittles> hi
2014-11-14 04:14 <smxy> Hey Cindeer. Thanks for the build. :)
2014-11-14 04:14 <diva> your new handles always makes me hungry :)
2014-11-14 04:14 <skittles> haha
2014-11-14 04:14 <skittles> good thing i changed it from HIV then!
2014-11-14 04:14 <diva> hehe
2014-11-14 04:14 <smxy> yikes
2014-11-14 04:14 <skittles> good way to not get hit on so much in irc. :)
2014-11-14 04:15 <diva> skittles eitehr upload it somewhere or else send it to my by email and I'll upload it to near the Windows build
2014-11-14 04:15 <diva> diva@metaverseink.com
2014-11-14 04:16 <LiruCookies> skittles: HIV makes me hungry.
2014-11-14 04:17 <skittles> https://bitbucket.org/neptunegames/downloads/downloads/OnLook_1_8_6_6276.dmg
2014-11-14 04:17 <diva> cool! Thanks so much Cinder skittles!
2014-11-14 04:18 <skittles> np :)
2014-11-14 04:18 <smxy> grabbing it :)
2014-11-14 04:18 <diva> (I am crazy for skittles, just ask my daughter. All her Halloween skittles belong to me)
2014-11-14 04:19 <skittles> i am too. i used to eat them until i got sores on my tongue.
2014-11-14 04:21 <smxy> Okay, I'm logged into my grid with it and it looks just like Singularity, as expected.
2014-11-14 04:21 <diva> go to http://ucigrid01.nacs.uci.edu:8002
2014-11-14 04:23 <smxy> Yup, the UI changed. :)
2014-11-14 04:24 <smxy> When I go to the castle, I don't see myself OR my attachments. I do see Marcus however.
2014-11-14 04:25 <smxy> What resets the camera position?
2014-11-14 04:25 <diva> shift+Esc
2014-11-14 04:26 <MarcusLlewellyn> I now see Shaun's avatar.
2014-11-14 04:26 <diva> shitf+arrows pans the camera
2014-11-14 04:26 <diva> shift+page up/down moves the camera up and down
2014-11-14 04:26 <smxy> So we see each other, but not ourselves. :)
2014-11-14 04:26 <diva> yes, for the time being
2014-11-14 04:27 <smxy> Seems to be working okay, diva, skittles and liru. :)
2014-11-14 04:27 <smxy> ty!
2014-11-14 04:27 <skittles> \o/
2014-11-14 04:27 <diva> cool thanks smxy. You were thw absolute first testing on a Mac
2014-11-14 04:27 <smxy> :)
2014-11-14 04:28 <smxy> control+arrows pans the camera too, but faster than shift+arrows.
2014-11-14 04:29 <smxy> shift-Esc works to reset the position.
2014-11-14 04:29 <diva> cool, I hadn't found that yet
2014-11-14 04:29 <LiruCookies> control arrows?
2014-11-14 04:29 <diva> maybe it's because it's  Mac
2014-11-14 04:29 <LiruCookies> That's not in the scheme... that probably goes to normal
2014-11-14 04:29 <smxy> I'm sorry, not control+arrows - option+arrows
2014-11-14 04:30 <LiruCookies> That should be the same as Alt on windows, right?
2014-11-14 04:30 <smxy> I think so.
2014-11-14 04:30 <LiruCookies> That's the same as without anything held, then
2014-11-14 04:30 <smxy> yes, that seems right - just tried the arrow keys alone
2014-11-14 04:31 <smxy> option+leftMouseButtonHeld lets me pan all around too.
2014-11-14 04:32 <LiruCookies> Yep, that's like normal.
2014-11-14 04:32 <smxy> and zoom in/out
2014-11-14 04:32 <diva> yep
2014-11-14 04:32 <smxy> right
2014-11-14 04:33 <smxy> Went back to the conference center and see myself again.
2014-11-14 04:37 <smxy> And back at my grid, it looks like Singularity again. :)
2014-11-14 04:38 <diva> also, a cool thing is that I have it configured so that if I login as administrator I get the default UI
2014-11-14 04:38 <diva> so different users may get different UIs
2014-11-14 04:39 <diva> I have it depend on the user level
2014-11-14 04:39 <smxy> yes, you mentioned builders vs others, for example
2014-11-14 04:39 <diva> yes
2014-11-14 04:43 <smxy> I did have to laugh when you promised to document it later, as you just told someone at the conference that you were too busy to document anything. :)
2014-11-14 04:44 <smxy> <ducks>
2014-11-14 04:45 <diva> I am too busy. But this particular piece is more important than usual, because other viewers may want to pick it up... we need to explain what kind of data is sent from the server
2014-11-14 04:47 <diva> Jessica was saying that we ignore Firestorm. They don't do IRC as much as we do, but maybe they'll read a wiki page
2014-11-14 04:48 <diva> which brings an interesting question about whether these 2 viewers (Singu and FS) have the same UI language or not. I don't know
2014-11-14 04:49 <smxy> If they were in IRC they'd get talked to a lot, I suspect.
2014-11-14 04:49 <LiruCookies> diva: We do not...
2014-11-14 04:49 <diva> oh hehe fun!
2014-11-14 04:49 <LiruCookies> diva: We both can accept xml, but one will explode on it.
2014-11-14 04:50 <LiruCookies> We can share xmls, but they'll be laid out poorly usually.
2014-11-14 04:50 <smxy> I know that when I've had issues with it in OpenSim and tried to get help in their group chat in SL, the helpers there don't seem terribly interested in helping, unless I can replicate the problem in SL, so I don't know where we're supposed to work with them at.
2014-11-14 04:50 <LiruCookies> Plus this is gpl-tainted, they'll have to make their own impl.
2014-11-14 04:50 <LiruCookies> This is extremely gpl tainted.
2014-11-14 04:51 <diva> if (Singularity) SendOneThing(); else if (Firestorm) SendAnother(). Just liek good old web!
2014-11-14 04:51 <diva> what license do they have?
2014-11-14 04:51 <LiruCookies> lgpl
2014-11-14 04:51 <LiruCookies> And parts that I based off of here cannot be relicensed by me.
2014-11-14 04:51 <LiruCookies> I think I mentioned this earlier on.
2014-11-14 04:53 <diva> oh well, I'll document it, it's up to them to implement it or not
2014-11-14 04:53 <LiruCookies> Plus their floaters don't even go by the same names in the dictionary they use.
2014-11-14 04:54 <skittles> doesn't mean they couldn't translate the names to their names if they wanted to. :)
2014-11-14 04:54 <smxy> Dumb question: Why a separate Onlook and not just another feature of Singularity?
2014-11-14 04:55 <diva> I'd love if singularity would pick it up, I don't have any ownership feelings about this. But I suspect that singularty still caters to the SL people, and LL may not like viewers that can change the user experience, even if that doesn't happen on their grid. I don't know.
2014-11-14 04:56 <smxy> Ah.
2014-11-14 04:56 <diva> it seemed much more strightforward to start prototyping on a completely separate project
2014-11-14 04:56 <smxy> Got it.
2014-11-14 04:57 <MarcusLlew> Personally, I do not think it is reasonable to expect OpenSim devs to follow all the viewers. It makes more sense to me for all the viewers to follow OpenSim.  
2014-11-14 04:57 <LiruCookies> Well, LL wouldn't have an issue with it
2014-11-14 04:58 <LiruCookies> I'm thinking about merging it back
2014-11-14 04:58 <diva> oh yey, tha'd be awesome
2014-11-14 04:58 <LiruCookies> But anoter part of the OnLook project is a customized interface to better suit Encitra's customers.
2014-11-14 04:58 <LiruCookies> That's why a separate OnLook.
2014-11-14 04:59 <diva> but that is programmable, right? So others can send other xmls. Ultimately that's what I want. 
2014-11-14 04:59 <diva> all programmable. Encitra can have its UI, others can have theirs
2014-11-14 04:59 <LiruCookies> The OnLook feature itself may be picked up, but the changes made to cater specifically to customers will stay OnLook specific
2014-11-14 05:00 <LiruCookies> Like the changes to the quick prefs
2014-11-14 05:00 <diva> what are those?
2014-11-14 05:00 <diva> oh the settings
2014-11-14 05:00 <diva> yes
2014-11-14 05:00 <diva> I wish that were programmable!
2014-11-14 05:00 <LiruCookies> Removal of avatar-centric features..
2014-11-14 05:00 <diva> we tried...
2014-11-14 05:03 <diva> there's more to do to make it more programmable. I would like to have input from Melanie, she always has lots of good ideas for how to do things the right way
2014-11-14 05:03 <diva> and she know the server side too
2014-11-14 05:04 <smxy> It seems to be off to a good start though. :)
2014-11-14 05:05 <diva> yeah, I'm very happy with what we have done so far. It proves the concept. I love that phase of any project! Liru is awesome!
2014-11-14 05:06 <LiruCookies> With being able to spawn custom floaters, we don't really need to customize panels within the viewer, unless we need some feature of existing code, iinstead of just a controlss display.
2014-11-14 05:07 <diva> yeah, we haven't really put that feature to the test yet.
2014-11-14 05:07 <diva> we should
2014-11-14 05:08 <LiruCookies> Want an example?
2014-11-14 05:09 <diva> yes please!
2014-11-14 05:09 <smxy> Geez, a friend of mine is having an awful month. First, his mother passed away. Then, a week later, his husband's mother passed away. Today, they had to put one their dogs down. :(
2014-11-14 05:10 <LiruCookies> This is just a temporary example, though.
2014-11-14 05:10 <diva> ok
2014-11-14 05:15 <LiruCookies> diva: Save a snapshot to inventory, yet?
2014-11-14 05:15 <diva> what do you mean?
2014-11-14 05:17 <LiruCookies> Um, you'll see, sec.
2014-11-14 05:19 <LiruCookies> https://gist.github.com/Lirusaito/d466bbe2014d74be503e
2014-11-14 05:20 <LiruCookies> You can see the necessary parts that need to be alike there
2014-11-14 05:20 <diva> coolio, let me plug this onto that grid
2014-11-14 05:22 <MarcusLlew> Is viewer UI XML well documented anywhere? The SL wiki or anything?
2014-11-14 05:23 <diva> not that I know of, but I don't know much about the viewer yet
2014-11-14 05:23 <LiruCookies> Somewhat documented? But you need to know how to read C++?
2014-11-14 05:23 <LiruCookies> I know it very well
2014-11-14 05:24 <LiruCookies> Probably better than anyone.
2014-11-14 05:24 <LiruCookies> Eerm
2014-11-14 05:24 <LiruCookies> Niran may be the exception
2014-11-14 05:24 <LiruCookies> But he doesn't follow why it works the way it does in the code..
2014-11-14 05:25 <MarcusLlew> That's kinda ugly for a lot of people, unfortunately. 
2014-11-14 05:25 <LiruCookies> Well, it's more plain english than C++, so it's not much of an issue for those who want to tinker.
2014-11-14 05:26 <diva> hmm, I need to extend the opensim module a little bit, and I'm too tired to do it now. I'll do it tomorrow morning
2014-11-14 05:26 <LiruCookies> Okioki
2014-11-14 05:26 <diva> NN
2014-11-14 05:26 <smxy> Night Diva. :)
2014-11-14 05:27 <smxy> I can't imagine going to bed at 9:30 PM, but then, I don't get up until 8AM. :)
2014-11-14 05:27 <LiruCookies> nii, Diva.
2014-11-14 05:27 <diva> I usually wake up at 6. NN
2014-11-14 05:28 <MarcusLlew> That's inhuman ;) Well, I'm inhuman at 6am anyway. :)
2014-11-14 05:28 <smxy> 6. ew. :)
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2014-11-14 22:20 <osmantis> Bug #7370:04 [Patch] LLLoginService exception when given location string with decimal numbers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7370 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-11-14 22:20 <osmantis> Bug #7370:04 [Patch] LLLoginService exception when given location string with decimal numbers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7370 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-11-14 22:21 <LiruCookies> So um
2014-11-14 22:21 <LiruCookies> Is opensim going to move away from using mono on Linux in favor of the opensourced .NET?
2014-11-14 22:22 <nebadon_laptop> LiruCookies i think its still going to be called mono
2014-11-14 22:22 <nebadon_laptop> i dont think microsoft intends to have linux runtimes
2014-11-14 22:22 <LiruCookies> Really?
2014-11-14 22:22 <nebadon_laptop> i think they are expecting the mono developers to integrate their code into mono
2014-11-14 22:22 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2014-11-14 22:23 <nebadon_laptop> http://www.go-mono.com/monologue/
2014-11-14 22:23 <nebadon_laptop> scroll down a bit you can read about it
2014-11-14 22:24 <LiruCookies> They said in their announcement they were, in the future, going to opensource their runtime.
2014-11-14 22:24 <BlueWall> What will suck is Debain will probably lag far behind others in acceptance
2014-11-14 22:25 <nebadon_laptop> yes opensource
2014-11-14 22:25 <nebadon_laptop> but they have no plans to actually create runtimes for linux
2014-11-14 22:25 <nebadon_laptop> and they will not accept patches
2014-11-14 22:25 <nebadon_laptop> sooo...
2014-11-14 22:25 <BlueWall> Half-Duplex Open Source
2014-11-14 22:26 <nebadon_laptop> I think the deal is that Xamarin will make mono more .net compatible
2014-11-14 22:26 <nebadon_laptop> they have already started
2014-11-14 22:26 <diva> I'm totally hoping the mono ppl will grab all the code related to the thread pool and port it into mono
2014-11-14 22:27 <LiruCookies> Microsoft's blogpost says they want patches and will be working with devs to integrate
2014-11-14 22:27 <nebadon_laptop> there is supposed to be a road map soon
2014-11-14 22:27 <nebadon_laptop> thats not what miguel said
2014-11-14 22:27 <LiruCookies> "Through this implementation, Microsoft will work closely with the open source community, taking contributions for future improvements to .NET and will work through the .NET Foundation."
2014-11-14 22:28 <nebadon_laptop> "Microsoft has stated that they do not currently plan on taking patches back or engaging into a full open source community style development of this code base, as the requirements for backwards compatibility on Windows are very high. "
2014-11-14 22:28 <nebadon_laptop> http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html
2014-11-14 22:28 <LiruCookies> http://news.microsoft.com/2014/11/12/microsoft-takes-net-open-source-and-cross-platform-adds-new-development-capabilities-with-visual-studio-2015-net-2015-and-visual-studio-online/
2014-11-14 22:29 <LiruCookies> Stop reading blogs and read an actual press release...
2014-11-14 22:29 <nebadon_laptop> Miguel is the founder of Mono and Xamarin
2014-11-14 22:29 <nebadon_laptop> you think he would know
2014-11-14 22:29 <LiruCookies> I think Microsoft would know!
2014-11-14 22:30 <nebadon_laptop> ya its wierd he would say that
2014-11-14 22:30 <nebadon_laptop> considering he brokered this deal
2014-11-14 23:04 <smxy> If you notice, it only says they won't take patches in the one section. The other section says they do. 
2014-11-14 23:04 <smxy> There are two or three parts to it all and they just can't take patches to one section because of the backwards compatibility issue, but in the others they can.
2014-11-14 23:08 <BlueWall> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/12/release_microsoft_net_from_its_windows_chains_mono_and_xamarin_guy_miguel_de_icaza_on_open_source_net/
2014-11-14 23:30 <smxy> Yes, that's what I was talking about.
2014-11-14 23:31 <nebadon_laptop> cool
2014-11-14 23:31 <nebadon_laptop> ya Miguel makes it sound like its a definitive no patches accepted
2014-11-14 23:31 <nebadon_laptop> very odd he would imply that
2014-11-14 23:31 <smxy> Framework, no; core, yes
2014-11-14 23:33 <nebadon_laptop> ya that article sounds much better
2014-11-14 23:36 <BlueWall> and he says that they will make core run faster on Linux than Windows, lol
2014-11-14 23:36 <smxy> That would be nice. :)
2014-11-14 23:37 <nebadon_laptop> it should be possible
2014-11-14 23:37 <nebadon_laptop> rarely does windows out perform linux
2014-11-14 23:37 <nebadon_laptop> in server land
2014-11-15 03:28 <nebadon_laptop> just tested mono 3.12.1 on master git opensimulator and it seems to work fine
2014-11-15 03:56 <nebadon_laptop> does seem a tad bit flakey with physics on 3.12.1
2014-11-15 03:56 <nebadon_laptop> threading issues
2014-11-15 03:57 <nebadon_laptop> https://gist.githubusercontent.com/nebadon2025/a6e506622ba10ee0b332/raw/6d244267a2ab88c4d48408fefe0854eb2ea95e40/gistfile1.txt
2014-11-15 03:59 <nebadon_laptop> maybe garbage collection
2014-11-15 04:01 <MarcusLlew> I just finally went from 3.2.8 to 3.10.0. 
2014-11-15 04:02 <MarcusLlew> Very interested to see a release that incorporates the MS stuff. 
2014-11-15 04:03 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-11-15 04:03 <nebadon_laptop> that will probably be a bit still im sure
2014-11-15 04:04 <nebadon_laptop> i was more wondering if .net 4.0 support was removed yet
2014-11-15 04:04 <nebadon_laptop> im not sure if it has or not
2014-11-15 04:05 <MarcusLlew> It should say which profiles are baked in when autogen finishes up. 
2014-11-15 04:05 <nebadon_laptop> hmm ya
2014-11-15 04:05 <nebadon_laptop> let me run that again
2014-11-15 04:07 <nebadon_laptop> it still has it
2014-11-15 04:08 <MarcusLlew> Either they haven't gotten around to that yet, or the MS moves have changed their plans. 
2014-11-15 04:08 <MarcusLlew> I'm guessing. 
2014-11-15 04:09 <OtakuMegane> Wow. 3.10. Doesn't seem that long ago we were limping along with 1.x versions, always hoping the next version didn't make opensim asplode. :)
2014-11-15 04:10 <MarcusLlew> As neb just demonstrated, it still can. ;)
2014-11-15 04:11 <nebadon_laptop> ya its a bit crashy, im still messing
2014-11-15 04:11 <MarcusLlew> Course I assume that's a bit version. 
2014-11-15 04:11 <nebadon_laptop> im doing all of this on a virtual machine
2014-11-15 04:11 <nebadon_laptop> i need to test against a stable version too
2014-11-15 04:11 <nebadon_laptop> make sure its not the VM itself
2014-11-15 04:11 <MarcusLlew> Git version. Rather. 
2014-11-15 04:11 <nebadon_laptop> ive been pretty experimental on this particular vm
2014-11-15 04:11 <nebadon_laptop> yea its mono git master on github
2014-11-15 04:11 <nebadon_laptop> probably buggy im sure
2014-11-15 04:12 <nebadon_laptop> i wasnt expecting much, just checking if .net 4.0 was removed yet
2014-11-15 04:12 <MarcusLlew> 3.0 had me worried. OpenSim (log4net really) hated it well into its development. 
2014-11-15 04:15 <MarcusLlew> In case anyone wondered, OpenSim loads/builds great with the new community edition of visual studio. 
2014-11-15 04:17 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2014-11-15 04:17 <nebadon_laptop> i need to download that
2014-11-15 04:19 <BlueWall> nebadon_laptop, the Divi Wifi, I'm putting that with Robust and I'm getting some errors about the grid service. 
2014-11-15 04:19 <BlueWall> Is there any secret to getting that to work?
2014-11-15 04:20 <nebadon_laptop> what is the errors?
2014-11-15 04:21 <BlueWall> it's saying that there is no GridService section in the config - but there is.
2014-11-15 04:21 <BlueWall> Using the Diva.DataMySQL.dll in the Database section
2014-11-15 04:22 <BlueWall> Diva.Data.MySQL.dll
2014-11-15 04:22 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-11-15 04:23 <nebadon_laptop> you dropped in all the dlls?
2014-11-15 04:23 <BlueWall> I compiled it
2014-11-15 04:23 <nebadon_laptop> oh
2014-11-15 04:23 <BlueWall> they are in the /.bin dir
2014-11-15 04:23 <nebadon_laptop> ok ive never actually done it that way
2014-11-15 04:23 <nebadon_laptop> io usually just grab the binary
2014-11-15 04:24 <BlueWall> ahhh
2014-11-15 04:24 <nebadon_laptop> http://metaverseink.com/Downloads.html
2014-11-15 04:24 <nebadon_laptop> compiling against head is always problematic
2014-11-15 04:24 <nebadon_laptop> though it may be fine at this point
2014-11-15 04:24 <nebadon_laptop> it wouldnt suprise me if there was issues though
2014-11-15 04:25 <nebadon_laptop> i changed my vm from desktop kernel to the default kernel
2014-11-15 04:25 <nebadon_laptop> and opensim is running much better under mono 3.12.1 now
2014-11-15 04:26 <BlueWall> I built them all with OpenSim too, and looking at it - I guess it's supposed to be built by itsself.
2014-11-15 04:28 <MarcusLlew> Is it possible to run WiFi as a separate robust service, like inventory or whatever? 
2014-11-15 04:29 <BlueWall> not sure, it seems to touch on several parts.
2014-11-15 04:29 <BlueWall> I had the standard database driver in, an I had no OpenSim default library.
2014-11-15 04:30 <MarcusLlew> I ask cuz if so, one could run WiFi on "stable" robust, and still run the rest from master. 
2014-11-15 04:32 <MarcusLlew> But yeah, no idea how many pies or has it fingers in. 
2014-11-15 04:40 <diva> yes it is possible and very easy
2014-11-15 04:40 <smxy> Diva's stuff compiles against HEAD just fine.
2014-11-15 04:41 <MarcusLlew> Cool. 
2014-11-15 04:43 <BlueWall> should be able to just drop all the things in addon-modules into the OpenSim's addon-modules, run the runprebuild.sh and build?
2014-11-15 04:45 <smxy> Let me look at what I do.
2014-11-15 04:47 <smxy> I do a pull to make sure I have her latest, then: cp -pr addon-modules ${src}/${distro}/build/${build}
2014-11-15 04:47 <smxy> Basically just copy her stuff in and build as usual.
2014-11-15 04:47 <BlueWall> ok, did that. Guess I have a config issue
2014-11-15 04:49 <smxy> yeah, beacuse right after I do that copy, I run runprebuild.sh vs2010 followed by xbuild
2014-11-15 04:49 <BlueWall> then incorporate the Wifi.ini.example into the Robust,HG.ini ?
2014-11-15 04:51 <diva> nebadon :) http://imagebin.ca/v/1hHukAjx9OlX
2014-11-15 04:52 <diva> that's nebadon's 3d model of the logo :)
2014-11-15 04:52 <BlueWall> ++
2014-11-15 04:54 <diva> what error are you getting BlueWall?
2014-11-15 04:55 <BlueWall> it is telling me that I have no GridService section in the ini
2014-11-15 04:55 <diva> pastebin
2014-11-15 04:55 <BlueWall> 1 sec - I deleted everything and am building again
2014-11-15 04:55 <nebadon_laptop> oh nice diva :)
2014-11-15 04:56 <nebadon_laptop> here it is in gold
2014-11-15 04:56 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/oscc/shapeways_print_011.png
2014-11-15 04:56 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/oscc/shapeways_print_012.png
2014-11-15 04:56 <diva> nice picture too, hey? With my phone
2014-11-15 04:56 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/oscc/shapeways_print_013.png
2014-11-15 04:56 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/oscc/shapeways_print_014.png
2014-11-15 04:56 <nebadon_laptop> gold plated stainless steel
2014-11-15 05:00 <BlueWall> there it is diva - http://pastebin.com/5rikLiip
2014-11-15 05:01 <diva> do you have that section in the file you are feeding as ini to robust?
2014-11-15 05:02 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/video/2014-11-14-2345-18.mp4
2014-11-15 05:02 <diva> btw that error doesn't happen when loading Wifi. It happens when loading the GridServiceConnector
2014-11-15 05:02 <BlueWall> ok
2014-11-15 05:03 <BlueWall> I just added the parts into the Robust.HG.ini
2014-11-15 05:03 <BlueWall> I'm looking over those now
2014-11-15 05:04 <diva> that looks like fun, neb
2014-11-15 05:04 <nebadon_laptop> just pushing mono 3.12.1 as hard as i could
2014-11-15 05:05 <nebadon_laptop> that was on a standalone using sqlite
2014-11-15 05:05 <nebadon_laptop> it eventually crashed hard
2014-11-15 05:05 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-15 05:09 <MarcusLlew> Used OBS for that?
2014-11-15 05:09 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2014-11-15 05:09 <nebadon_laptop> thats right off obs too no conversion
2014-11-15 05:10 <nebadon_laptop> 10000kbs 
2014-11-15 05:10 <MarcusLlew> So glad I used that instead of ustream producer for the conference. 
2014-11-15 05:10 <nebadon_laptop> its really good
2014-11-15 05:11 <MarcusLlew> It has its rough edges, but you can make it do quite a lot. 
2014-11-15 05:12 <MarcusLlew> I wanna try the rewrite, but its still Mac only for now. 
2014-11-15 05:13 <dahlia> OBS?
2014-11-15 05:15 <MarcusLlew> Open Broadcaster. Its mainly for broadcasting over things like Twitch or Livestream, but is also an excellent recorder for desktop, windows, or games. 
2014-11-15 05:15 <nebadon_laptop> Open Broadvaster
2014-11-15 05:15 <nebadon_laptop> ya it destroys fraps
2014-11-15 05:15 <nebadon_laptop> and its free
2014-11-15 05:15 <nebadon_laptop> and open source :)
2014-11-15 05:16 <nebadon_laptop> https://obsproject.com/
2014-11-15 05:16 <BlueWall> 
ACTION facepalms

2014-11-15 05:16 <BlueWall> [GridSrvice]
2014-11-15 05:16 <nebadon_laptop> heh
2014-11-15 05:16 <nebadon_laptop> typos will kill you
2014-11-15 05:16 <diva> heh
2014-11-15 05:16 <smxy> lol
2014-11-15 05:16 <MarcusLlew> Uses x264, with support for GPU encoders for Intel and NVidia. I've found the x264 encoder to have the best quality. 
2014-11-15 05:16 <MarcusLlew> Oppsie
2014-11-15 05:17 <diva> if I had a dime for ever typo I've made that made me waste an hour, I'd be a rich woman
2014-11-15 05:17 <BlueWall> I've been hammering at this and my system rebuild since 8:30am this morning and it's 12:17 now @.@
2014-11-15 05:18 <smxy> Ouch.
2014-11-15 05:18 <MarcusLlew> I blame Chinese hackers. 
2014-11-15 05:18 <BlueWall> lol, nope 
2014-11-15 05:18 <BlueWall> multi-layered upgrades
2014-11-15 05:19 <BlueWall> I had stuff from Slackware in my home directory
2014-11-15 05:19 <BlueWall> this is so much better
2014-11-15 05:20 <BlueWall> those old files were wrecking me
2014-11-15 05:21 <BlueWall> Today, Sesame Street is brought to you by the letter 'e'
2014-11-15 05:21 <MarcusLlew> Hehe
2014-11-15 05:21 <BlueWall> it works 
2014-11-15 05:22 <MarcusLlew> If I tote a hone partition around, I do tend to nine any dot directories that contain config files for desktops and whatnot. That's bitten me.  
2014-11-15 05:22 <MarcusLlew> Home, rather. 
2014-11-15 05:23 <MarcusLlew> And nuke, not nine. Autocorrect, I loathe thee and love thee. 
2014-11-15 05:24 <nebadon_laptop> your on slackware now BlueWall? or still Opensuse 13.2?
2014-11-15 05:24 <BlueWall> OpenSuSE
2014-11-15 05:24 <nebadon_laptop> cool, did you try KDE again?
2014-11-15 05:24 <BlueWall> those old config files were killing me
2014-11-15 05:24 <BlueWall> nope
2014-11-15 05:24 <BlueWall> still on Gnome
2014-11-15 05:25 <BlueWall> I'm missing the OpenSim Library though
2014-11-15 05:27 <diva> have you guys read Ready Player One? I'm reading it, and it's basically Second Life with the Oculus. I'm sure the author spent a lot of time in SL
2014-11-15 05:30 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2014-11-15 05:31 <nebadon_laptop> have not read or even heard of it
2014-11-15 05:31 <MarcusLlew> Ernest Cline is new to me. Will have to try him. 
2014-11-15 05:32 <diva> I hadn't heard of the book until last month. Someone who is not familiar of SL mentioned it to me when I was descricing these virtual worlds
2014-11-15 05:34 <diva> it's funny how so many people have never heard of SL these days
2014-11-15 05:34 <diva> or maybe heard but don't really know what it is
2014-11-15 05:35 <MarcusLlew> It sorta fell off the radar after the big news bubble it had faded, I think. 
2014-11-15 05:35 <nebadon_laptop> ya I have never just bumped in to someone who knew what second life is
2014-11-15 05:36 <MarcusLlew> Ive found out people I know have tried it, but most lost interest and left it. 
2014-11-15 05:37 <diva> I found it interesting that the person who was mentioning this book me (who works at Google) had no idea that these virtual world exist
2014-11-15 05:37 <MarcusLlew> Seems like if you don't have at least a smidge of interest in creating things or maybe performing, it doesn't stick. 
2014-11-15 05:40 <MarcusLlew> Maybe, sadly, many people only think of VW in terms of Hollywood imaginings of it. Anything else just looks like some game without closer inspection. 
2014-11-15 05:41 <MarcusLlew> Or maybe Hollywood devalues the serious sides of it. I dunno. 
2014-11-15 06:04 <nebadon_laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx0BiTh8NEs
2014-11-15 06:04 <nebadon_laptop> video still amazes me
2014-11-15 06:05 <nebadon_laptop> time machine :D
2014-11-15 06:44 <dahlia> nebadon_laptop: I see lots of people icons floating around with no names
2014-11-16 18:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #3874 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-16 18:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3874: SUCCESS in 9 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3874/
2014-11-16 18:38 <osjenkins> diva: Improved SpecialUIModule so that it sends the floater data properly.
2014-11-16 18:48 <Melanie_> diva: cameras like you outline make sense only in view-only mode
2014-11-16 18:49 <Melanie_> the code to achieve that is already mostly there
2014-11-16 18:49 <Melanie_> if no avatar is shown, then the state of that avatar is not important
2014-11-16 18:49 <diva> not really Melanie_. They are very useful for building constrained environments like classrooms
2014-11-16 18:50 <Melanie_> i can't envision a necessity for controlling the camera in situations where an avatar is shown AND standing up
2014-11-16 18:50 <diva> people don't know where to look
2014-11-16 18:50 <Melanie_> it's disconcerting to have flycam views change when you're in avatar mode
2014-11-16 18:50 <diva> you have to place their cameras in the right spots
2014-11-16 18:51 <Melanie_> if you move an avatar's amera while they are standing, it will snap back to normal 3rd person view as soon as they move anyway
2014-11-16 18:52 <Melanie_> so what i was going to say is that this can be done by leveraging the code that we already have in the viewer for camera control while sitting
2014-11-16 18:52 <Melanie_> unlike user control, where youhave to be somewhat close to things tu successfully sit, the avatar can be sat, under server control, pretty much anywhere
2014-11-16 18:53 <Melanie_> so your camera spots can be sit targets!
2014-11-16 18:53 <Melanie_> the avatar doesn't have to appear to be sat down, the anim can just as well show the avatar standing
2014-11-16 18:53 <Melanie_> but that solution prevents the avatar from moving until the camera view is released (the avatar stoof up)
2014-11-16 18:53 <Melanie_> stood*
2014-11-16 18:54 <Melanie_> which is highly desirable
2014-11-16 18:54 <diva> yes, agree on that. Part of it can already be done that way. We just need to be able to do it much better: with native floaters rather than huds, if the designers want to give control to the user, and with the person who designs the environment being able to place cameras in specific spots with specific rotations
2014-11-16 18:54 <Melanie_> sure
2014-11-16 18:55 <Melanie_> but using sit targets (under program/server control) makes this a much simpler thing
2014-11-16 18:55 <Melanie_> the designer places prims (invisible, maybe) with standard sit/look scripts (LSL)
2014-11-16 18:55 <Melanie_> the ui then provides a list of available points
2014-11-16 18:55 <Melanie_> and allows the selection of one
2014-11-16 18:56 <diva> yes
2014-11-16 18:56 <Melanie_> maybe adding an option to remove ram rotation keyboard control (assuming flycam control is already disabled for them)
2014-11-16 18:56 <diva> but can many people sit on the same spot?
2014-11-16 18:56 <Melanie_> this entire project can be whittled down to small bits
2014-11-16 18:56 <Melanie_> by creatively abusing (=hacking up) the code already there
2014-11-16 18:57 <Melanie_> what you want is nothing much more than to control all the user can normally do viewerside from the server, instead or in addition
2014-11-16 18:57 <Melanie_> that and a new UI
2014-11-16 18:57 <diva> yes
2014-11-16 18:58 <diva> the focus of attention is sooo important in shared collaborative environments...
2014-11-16 18:59 <Melanie_> i don't know if a LSL script can alter the camera/eye when the avatar is already sitting 
2014-11-16 18:59 <Melanie_> or only if the avatar stands up and resits
2014-11-16 18:59 <Melanie_> if that doesn't work now, it needs to be added
2014-11-16 19:00 <diva> I think it can
2014-11-16 19:00 <diva> once the person sits down, yuo can control their camera
2014-11-16 19:00 <Melanie_> so the audience's cameras can be directed to the focus the presenter want
2014-11-16 19:00 <diva> yes
2014-11-16 19:00 <diva> I have done that in my vLab
2014-11-16 19:00 <Melanie_> i'm thinking multiscreen presentations here
2014-11-16 19:00 <diva> yes
2014-11-16 19:00 <Melanie_> like going from a slide to a video on the screen next to it
2014-11-16 19:01 <diva> that's exactly what I have in my private conference center. 2 screens. and when the presenter switches, all the cameras of the audience switch too
2014-11-16 19:01 <diva> but it's a bit clunky
2014-11-16 19:03 <Melanie_> why is it clunky?
2014-11-16 19:03 <Melanie_> i bet it's only the in-world control panel the presenter has to use that makes it so
2014-11-16 19:06 <diva> well, the camera was not so bad. The most horrible part of that environment (and of OSCC) was the lack of support for "prefabs", something I want to look at too, eventually, but that is a server side thing. Having to deal with individual scripted chairs is a complete nightmare
2014-11-16 19:09 <diva> but the two things are related. If ppl need to sit down on scripted prims in order to have a decent camera behavior, and you expect many people, you need many of those prims, each with its own script. And then something changes, and it's a nightmare
2014-11-16 19:10 <diva> so maybe prefabs will ease the need to sit down to control the camera
2014-11-16 19:11 <diva> and I'm using "prefab" as Unity3d does
2014-11-16 19:11 <diva> basically, a class of objects
2014-11-16 19:12 <diva> all behavior of instances comes from the class object. If the class changes, the instances change automatically
2014-11-16 19:59 <osmantis> Bug #7373:04 llGetCameraRot does not change for small mouse movements. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7373 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-11-16 20:07 <dahlia> Melanie_: ya I was aware XEngine was your baby but I wasn't sure if the compiler was all new or of you started with the one in DotNetEngine (or whatever Tedd's thing was called). My mistake.
2014-11-16 20:08 <dahlia> s/of/if
2014-11-16 20:19 <antont> diva: ok good to hear. was just weird to see you think having js in an opensim viewer client side was a new idea :) .. and yep that's good to hear about the estimated effort, i've never worked with slviewer code (we were banned to look at it then due to the opensim contributors agreement..)
2014-11-16 20:20 <antont> diva: though it it is basically straightforward to add scripting support to any c++ codebase .. 'just' need to add the interpreter there somehow, and then use the engine's api to publish fuctions for the scripting api. write wrapper funcs, and typically wrappers for types (but simply things don't require the complex types even)
2014-11-16 20:22 <antont> also interesting to hear Melanie_'s recommendation for spidermonkey, we don't know yet what will use in tundra-urho3d but i had just assumed that v8 would be the thing to check. but have also understood that it's a complex beast difficult to work with
2014-11-16 20:22 <antont> however our need is different as may end up using that same thing on the server as well so want great performance of it
2014-11-16 20:24 <antont> so this is with the new code that doesn't have scripting at all yet, on a samsung android device :) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3589544/meshmoon/turho-samsung-s3.png
2014-11-16 21:01 <dahlia> antont: a portal 2 clone?
2014-11-16 21:03 <antont> no i think it's the unity angrybots example scene, the meshmoon guys have been using that as a test scene now .. has somewhat nice lights etc. there's a unity exporter
2014-11-16 21:03 <Melanie_> dahlia: what i took from DNE was the wsy events and compilers were hooked up
2014-11-16 21:03 <dahlia> it looks a lot like portal 2 
2014-11-16 21:04 <Melanie_> also i took the preprocessing regexs but refined them a little
2014-11-16 21:04 <Melanie_> teravus, i think, then converted that into true lsl parsing into an ast, reading lsl and emitting c#
2014-11-16 21:04 <antont> 'Unity Export - Angry Bots' is the name of the scene in meshmoon, is one the ones you can test via http://www.meshmoon.com/WebRocket.aspx
2014-11-16 21:04 <dahlia> Melanie_: ya thats what I was speaking of earlier, the preprocessor stuff
2014-11-16 21:04 <Melanie_> so the lsl "compiler" is two compilers, a LSL to c# one and a c# to CIL one
2014-11-16 21:05 <dahlia> anyway was no attempt to minimize your contribution :)
2014-11-16 21:05 <Melanie_> no, but i didn't write that secong gen converter
2014-11-16 21:05 <Melanie_> so we need tog ive credit where it's due
2014-11-16 21:07 <antont> anyhoo i try to get more sleep .. need to travel to barelona for a Smart City World Expo thing. we have a vizicities based iot sensor vis thing there (with sensors in the spanish city of santander), and the hand made nice looking oulu scene with a hot air balloon ride & oculus dk2 as a crowd magnet, we hope :)
2014-11-16 21:07 <antont> barcelona, even
2014-11-16 21:08 <dahlia> antont: I did play around with hacking up urho to make it an opensim viewer about a year and a half ago but I abandoned it. Sadly, Urho, as nice as it is, isn't quire cut out for opensim content either.  https://vimeo.com/72326076
2014-11-16 21:08 <antont> dahlia: ah, interesting
2014-11-16 21:08 <dahlia> *quite
2014-11-16 21:08 <dahlia> although it really is a very nice engine and I'd definately give it high marks if I wanted to do a game or something
2014-11-16 21:09 <antont> i'm not sure how true it is that opensim content requires a special renderer .. if you can batch the prims and deal with the scene complexity somehow. that's a big if though :) .. so perhaps is indeed like that
2014-11-16 21:09 <dahlia> Ive not seen anything better in terms of design in all the open source engines Ive looked at
2014-11-16 21:10 <antont> yah lasse got so frustrated working with ogre that wanted to write something that's nice instead
2014-11-16 21:10 <Melanie_> well, ogres aren't nice by definition
2014-11-16 21:10 <antont> perhaps ogre was somewhat nice back in 2006 or something (that's also when we used it at playsign for games) but then the world changed
2014-11-16 21:10 <dahlia> antont: you dont need a special renderer if you're willing to sacrifice quantity of content or various materials features
2014-11-16 21:10 <Melanie_> namespace Orge { public class Shrek : INice { ….
2014-11-16 21:10 <Melanie_> well, with exceptions
2014-11-16 21:11 <antont> i think it also helped with urho that it was just a hobby for long, no time or any other pressures, he could just work on it for fun and enjoyement and try to do something nice :)
2014-11-16 21:12 <dahlia> but... 10000 prims in urho, even with a single shared material is pretty slow
2014-11-16 21:12 <antont> Melanie_: Urho is the Finnish word for hero btw :)
2014-11-16 21:12 <Melanie_> :)
2014-11-16 21:12 <dahlia> dont get me wrong, urho is awesome. It just wont work very well with opensim content. No game engine will unfortunately.
2014-11-16 21:13 <antont> dahlia: yah perhaps it somewhat assumes sanely authored scenes / the kind you typically get from max or blender or something .. where faces are in meshes, not so that you got a zillion prims that are kind of like faces but separate objects :)
2014-11-16 21:14 <dahlia> well from my understanding the developers of high end games pick an engine and design their content around it in order to achieve performance
2014-11-16 21:14 <antont> dahlia: i'll mention that to lasse some day if there's a nice chance, he might have ideas :)
2014-11-16 21:14 <dahlia> not the other way around
2014-11-16 21:14 <antont> yep
2014-11-16 21:29 <diva> antont, yaed embeding a JS engine in otehr things these days is not a big deal. But of the horror stories I've heard about these viewers, I thought we were years away from that ever happening. Which is why I started really small with OnLook, reifying just little bits of what's already there, moving them to the server. But Melanie's suggestion that his could be done, like, now blew me away!
2014-11-16 21:30 <dahlia> I think the imprudence team was looking into adding scripting to the viewer several years ago but I guess they never got very far
2014-11-16 21:31 <dahlia> Our good friend Morgaine was involved in it somehow
2014-11-16 21:32 <antont> ah right i was actually talking with them then
2014-11-16 21:33 <antont> if someone is interested in interop / simple standards for scripting apis, i have a bit of a pet peeve simple use case: the api needed for a camera. like a freelook or rts or 3rd person follow-cam. with the rationale that they only need very little from the api, but can involve a lot of code to get it all smooth and nice
2014-11-16 21:34 <dahlia> I did SL camera in urho, was quite easy
2014-11-16 21:34 <dahlia> just extended the camera class and added a few methods
2014-11-16 21:35 <diva> so antont, what are you guys realy focusing on these days? The viewer side? Or the server side?
2014-11-16 21:35 <antont> i think you basically just need the ability to move & rotate the cam, and for 3rd person things, raycasting or something to detect when the view would be blocked. then user control input needs to be fed somehow but that can perhaps be left outside of the camera script, if the thing that integrates the e.g. js cam lib to a viewer feeds that as params to it or so
2014-11-16 21:36 <dahlia> not sure about blocked view, but collision detection kinda works also
2014-11-16 21:36 <antont> diva: right now actually mostly viewer stuff. as the server works. viewer has been problematic as 1. we needed web support (thus webtundra) and 2. we needed mobile support (thus tundra-urho3d).
2014-11-16 21:37 <dahlia> I hate it how many LL TPVs disable camera collisions. It's horrible when walking inside buildings
2014-11-16 21:37 <antont> diva: in the eu fiware continuation plans there are server side things too, though, like starting to use net msg priorization / interest management / something to deal with larger worlds .. we have some IM systems as plugins but not really in use yet. i think there was something else too but forgot now
2014-11-16 21:38 <diva> so this is all work funded by the EU?
2014-11-16 21:38 <antont> no
2014-11-16 21:38 <antont> webtundra work largely is, but also driven much by normal business
2014-11-16 21:39 <antont> urho3d work is (currently) not within the EU thing at all, as there it's all about the web (that's how they'd defined it before we joined). that's funded by the realxtend foundation actually, and also by normal biz a little
2014-11-16 21:40 <antont> but new server stuff would be within the eu frame .. as this is tundra, http://catalogue.fi-ware.org/enablers/synchronization
2014-11-16 21:41 <diva> sounds a little bit like Mic's dispatcher
2014-11-16 21:42 <antont> well it actually really is more like opensimulator
2014-11-16 21:42 <antont> just about a 1% fraction of it :)
2014-11-16 21:42 <antont> there's the the normal udp (or tcp) biz with knet, then additional websocket & http support
2014-11-16 21:43 <antont> the normal knet conns that viewers use may or may not work for simulation servers like Mic was using SUMO, i'm curious to try
2014-11-16 21:43 <antont> if the existing protocols don't actually work for that, we should perhaps add something like the dispatcher
2014-11-16 21:44 <dahlia> 
ACTION has a websocket "client stack" for opensim (not IClientAPI based)

2014-11-16 21:44 <antont> dahlia: regionmodule?
2014-11-16 21:44 <dahlia> ya
2014-11-16 21:44 <dahlia> 
ACTION does not like IClientAPI

2014-11-16 21:45 <antont> Mic was also telling how had found regionmodules fine for that as the api there doesn't change as much as what IClientAPI sees .. kind of makes sense, regionmodules seem to have access to what's needed .. the scene, and can create presences too i guess
2014-11-16 21:46 <diva> and antont, I assume yuo guys ditched support for prims?
2014-11-16 21:48 <antont> diva: yes simply because we had never used them, no user had any content made with them
2014-11-16 21:48 <antont> they have kind of re-appeared with some simple building tools we have, though
2014-11-16 21:48 <diva> so content creation is done exteranlly and imported to the scene, like in Unity3d?
2014-11-16 21:48 <antont> so you can add boxes and other meshes easily in-world
2014-11-16 21:48 <antont> so not fully, there are in-world creation tools
2014-11-16 21:49 <antont> but those are not prims, just a collection of, well, prims but without the prim params :)
2014-11-16 21:49 <antont> then some apps have custom creation tools, like a meeting app allows to create google docs things etc
2014-11-16 21:49 <antont> but complex scenes are typically authored in max, blender or unity, yes
2014-11-16 21:50 <antont> or at least the parts for them
2014-11-16 21:50 <dahlia> 
ACTION has a somewhat nostalgic affection for those cute little prims :)

2014-11-16 21:51 <antont> i kind of like them too, and loved when went to watch PrimWords once :)
2014-11-16 21:51 <dahlia> the DAMN THINGS drove me INSANE for a while there lol
2014-11-16 21:51 <diva> yeah, that's a tough decision. I find that prims are very useful as supporting actors
2014-11-16 21:52 <diva> they're really important because they are much easier to create and model than using external tools
2014-11-16 21:52 <antont> adding basic prim support isn't hard though, we had the code in naali and lasse said he wrote it in an afternoon .. ported dahlia's c# primmesher to c++ using ogre's mesh creation api. but making complex prim made scenes render fast is another story
2014-11-16 21:52 <diva> so they allow levels of collaboration that aren't possible in Unity3d and the others
2014-11-16 21:53 <antont> same in the web client i think .. i saw that dahlia's et al have JSPrimMesher so would be probably really easy to add prim support to webtundra with three.js to get them show fine, but then again your big opensim scenes would render dead slow
2014-11-16 21:53 <dahlia> 
ACTION notes that making little procedural meshes is quite easy. Making the precisely duplicate SL prims is a F$*%ing PITA

2014-11-16 21:53 <diva> well if you add them back consider getting some extra money somewhere to do a mobile client to opensim :)
2014-11-16 21:54 <diva> I think  we'll never let go of prims...
2014-11-16 21:54 <antont> diva: dahlia just told a while ago that wrote an opensim client with prim support with the same gfx engine we're using for mobile now :)
2014-11-16 21:54 <antont> 23:08 < dahlia> antont: I did play around with hacking up urho to make it an opensim viewer about a year and a  half ago but I abandoned it. Sadly, Urho, as nice as it is, isn't quire cut out for opensim content  either.  https://vimeo.com/72326076
2014-11-16 21:54 <antont> and i said that will talk about prim rendering with the author of the renderer when get a suitable chance :)
2014-11-16 21:55 <diva> then when yuo get the money from your EU sources, you can hire dahlia to make it open source :D
2014-11-16 21:55 <antont> yep :)
2014-11-16 21:55 <dahlia> o.0
2014-11-16 21:56 <antont> i think it might be simple enough to render prims efficiently so that you merge them to less objects .. loosing the ability to then dynamically move and modify them, but gaining efficient rendering on a mobile device / with a normal gfx engine
2014-11-16 21:56 <antont> might be useful sometimes
2014-11-16 21:57 <dahlia> merging is another can of worms tho... content in OpenSim is dynamic
2014-11-16 21:57 <dahlia> those moving thingies in that video of my urho musings are single linksets
2014-11-16 21:57 <antont> we work with vizicities now, it's a three.js based thing that autogenerates the scene from openstreetmaps .. works so that builds boxes for the buildings, house by house, but merges all those (they use the same material) to a single object so three.js stays fast
2014-11-16 21:58 <antont> dahlia: yep
2014-11-16 22:00 <dahlia> anyway antont no I wouldn't use any general purpose engine for opensim content. it's just way too different. I already have a from scratch custom cross-platform desktop/mobile c++ renderer in the works anyway 
2014-11-16 22:01 <antont> dahlia: right-o
2014-11-16 22:02 <dahlia> works in emscripten also but emscripten just doesnt seem to perform as well as plain-old javascript does
2014-11-16 22:02 <antont> on the web client side we've made it so that the renderer is just a module, or a 'view' in MVC sort of. but we haven't really done or targeted that on c++ side. have sometimes considered though.
2014-11-16 22:03 <antont> dahlia: i keep hearing that, and then the opposite story from the emscripten authors.
2014-11-16 22:04 <antont> is a huge question for us actually
2014-11-16 22:04 <dahlia> antont: I havent heard them debate it much. I have heard emscripten is ~1/10th the performance of native c++
2014-11-16 22:05 <dahlia> which seems to jibe with my tests
2014-11-16 22:05 <antont> because we now should plan the 2 years of the eu continuation project .. where the web client is included. if the urho-emscripten way was perfect, we could switch the web client to that, and focus all on one codebase for both native & web client. but if not, will stay with hand written js for web and separate codebases and efforts (and may not have much funding for the c++ client then)
2014-11-16 22:05 <antont> dahlia: but perhaps hand written js is 1/100th :)
2014-11-16 22:06 <dahlia> well urho gives you other things like physics
2014-11-16 22:06 <dahlia> but dont count on performace anywhere near a native app
2014-11-16 22:07 <antont> dahlia: sure i know it's slower than native. but the question is whether it's faster and otherwise worse or better than hand-written js
2014-11-16 22:08 <dahlia> 
ACTION kinda wonders why someone doesnt just admit that all this conversion to javascript stuff is a hack and design a proper vm for web browsers.... *scratches head*

2014-11-16 22:08 <dahlia> antont: I imagine it matters who is writing the hand-written js and who is writing the c++
2014-11-16 22:09 <dahlia> I'm definately a lot more experienced in c++ than javascript but I had little trouble making the js perform better
2014-11-16 22:09 <antont> Jukka Jylänki (clb), who wrote most of the Tundra core in the Naali -> Tundra refactoring, works at mozilla in the emscripten & webgl team .. and keeps telling that emscripten code is faster than hand-written js (like 50%). even on chrome without asm.js. though also tells that the native asm.js in firefox makes a big diff still and hope that other browsers would do that too
2014-11-16 22:10 <dahlia> ya Ive seen his nick in the emscripten IRC chat
2014-11-16 22:10 <antont> i've been thinking we'll test first, plan then
2014-11-16 22:11 <antont> in some months or so .. are busy with a demo project the coming weeks
2014-11-16 22:11 <dahlia> and a lot probably depends on what it's doing. My tests are based on what are typically bottlenecks in a render loop. People doing other things may have different experiences
2014-11-16 22:12 <antont> have shared / could you share some tests or results? i figure clb and those mostly know what they've dealt with when working with epic on the unreal compiles and with the unity folks and engine
2014-11-16 22:12 <antont> +you
2014-11-16 22:12 <dahlia> i.e., searching/sorting scene objects in octrees and such
2014-11-16 22:12 <antont> right
2014-11-16 22:12 <antont> that's interesting
2014-11-16 22:13 <antont> perhaps especially as dealing with more complex and ever larger scenes is in our todo list
2014-11-16 22:13 <dahlia> well Ive mentioned some of the performance issues I had in the emscripten IRC but I may not have been persistant enough about it for others to respond to my satisfaction
2014-11-16 22:14 <dahlia> the guy who usually does all the commits was usually there and often answered me
2014-11-16 22:14 <antont> kripken?
2014-11-16 22:14 <dahlia> I never see that name in there
2014-11-16 22:14 <antont> alon zakai is his real name
2014-11-16 22:14 <antont> the original author
2014-11-16 22:14 <dahlia> ya him
2014-11-16 22:15 <dahlia> he's usually helpful
2014-11-16 22:15 <antont> old friend of kitely's Ilan btw :)
2014-11-16 22:15 <dahlia> so Ive heard
2014-11-16 22:15 <antont> also the creator of the Syntensity VW system back then
2014-11-16 22:17 <dahlia> well urho doesnt use std::anything and that's one place I saw decreased performance so maybe urho might work a bit better there
2014-11-16 22:17 <antont> was interested in coming to work with us too then, to join realXtend and Syntensity .. but we could only guarantee a 6 months contract, not so big pay, and location in northern finland .. mozilla was a different story, nicer to move from israel to the tech hub in the valley with solid funding etc. he was tempted though, liked open source vws
2014-11-16 22:17 <antont> ah, interesting
2014-11-16 22:17 <dahlia> urho has all it's own collections and shared pointers and such
2014-11-16 22:17 <antont> yep
2014-11-16 22:18 <dahlia> which made me think "OMG WTF?" when I first looked at urho but it seems to work so... ok :)
2014-11-16 22:18 <antont> about perf probs, i figure folks usually need test cases they can run & perhaps tickets etc for those. haven't followed that with emscripten though, but have seen how it takes that + persistence with webgl issues in chrome's tracker :)
2014-11-16 22:19 <dahlia> well azakai definately seems dedicated to making emscripten work
2014-11-16 22:20 <antont> yah clb also said that if we go with the urho compile for web client he also can spent basically infinite mozilla time to fix if there are probs on their side
2014-11-16 22:20 <dahlia> but cmon... a proper VM would be so nice )
2014-11-16 22:20 <antont> yah that's their idea with asm.js
2014-11-16 22:20 <dahlia> ya but its still js
2014-11-16 22:21 <antont> to make browsers so that it's just a vm, you can use any lang, get it compiled and it runs fast
2014-11-16 22:21 <dahlia> the browser people just cant seem to get out of the "everything is possible ij javascript" mentality
2014-11-16 22:22 <dahlia> *in
2014-11-16 22:23 <antont> about perf probs & test cases & ticket, this is one nice story how it can take a lot to convince folks that there's a prob .. opened in 2011, is still open, but has improved :) "html5 video to webgl texture upload is slow" https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=91208
2014-11-16 22:23 <dahlia> kinda reminds me of "who needs arrays in LSL? just use lists"
2014-11-16 22:24 <dahlia> or "we could have put unsigned types in java but it would be slow and complicated"
2014-11-16 22:25 <dahlia> but... I'll shut up before I'm labeled as a heretic ;)
2014-11-16 22:25 <antont> yah i guess all tech ppl agree that there should be just a vm. but that's not easy to get to practically, with all browsers etc. so asm.js seems like an interesting, creative practical attempt towards that .. kind of allows you to have an efficient vm there, but in a bw compat fashion (and also so that if google can do it with jitting instead of native asm.js, well, fine)
2014-11-16 22:27 <dahlia> well google has NaCL tho which is a cool idea but unfortunately thumbnosed by the other browser peeps
2014-11-16 22:27 <dahlia> 
ACTION suspects NIH but whatever

2014-11-16 22:27 <antont> yah
2014-11-16 22:28 <dahlia> also the dev tools for NaCL are horrid
2014-11-16 22:30 <antont> unity is dropping nacl support and focus on emscripten only on that front
2014-11-16 22:30 <antont> i guess doesn't matter to them as use the own engine directly on mobiles anyway
2014-11-16 22:30 <dahlia> NaCL only works on google's platform unfortunately
2014-11-16 22:31 <dahlia> and it still uses the browser's webgl API anyway so you still get all those bottlenecks
2014-11-16 22:32 <dahlia> your c++ runs full native speed but can't do anything with it :/
2014-11-16 22:33 <antont> you can do AR image tracking and physics
2014-11-16 22:33 <dahlia> ya
2014-11-16 22:34 <antont> perhaps calc occlusion / visibility things or sort your scene otherwise or so
2014-11-16 22:36 <dahlia> I did start hacking up a crude renderer in NaCL but ran into crashy problems when I tried to integrate websockets and it was just very difficult to debug so I shelved it
2014-11-16 22:36 <antont> right
2014-11-16 22:36 <dahlia> was probably something simple like a dangling pointer or something but debugging was just too frustrating
2014-11-16 22:37 <antont> when nacl came someone built the ogre samples demo there and it seemed to work well .. but somehow we never really considered actually using it for anything
2014-11-16 22:38 <dahlia> you also need to distribute your app thru google play store which I didnt think I wanted to do
2014-11-16 22:38 <antont> a friend told me recently that that restriction went away
2014-11-16 22:38 <dahlia> but it's a way you can make an app for desktop/web/android and use c++
2014-11-16 22:39 <antont> also that it was x86 originally but the pNacl thing that it is nowadays runs on arm too
2014-11-16 22:39 <antont> .. he said that the reason they restricted it to the store originally was that they did not want x86-only content wild on the web
2014-11-16 22:39 <antont> so with arm support could remove that restriction
2014-11-16 22:40 <dahlia> you could disable it in the browser settings also
2014-11-16 22:42 <antont> anyhoo, i'm otherwise basically happy with the current situation: we can deliver to web ok, just need to author so that it works. we can deliver to mobiles as native apps too, great.
2014-11-16 22:42 <antont> .. but the question is whether could do all that with the same codebase well, or not. i hope will know in 2-3 months :)
2014-11-16 22:42 <dahlia> http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/naclstuff/fullscreen_nacl_PrimMesher/fullscreen_nacl_PrimMesher/
2014-11-16 22:43 <dahlia> prolly wont work unless you disable the playstore-only mode
2014-11-16 22:44 <dahlia> ya you guys seem to be doing well with the tundra stuff
2014-11-16 22:44 <antont> surviving at least
2014-11-16 22:45 <antont> could be better too with the community and all, libs and the dev experience etc., but we have a chance of getting there i think
2014-11-16 22:46 <antont> about opensim, is great to see how people use it and how it seems stable and to perform well at the conferences
2014-11-16 22:46 <dahlia> I keep an eye on you guys now and then ;)
2014-11-16 22:46 <antont> please do and tell when and how we suck :)
2014-11-16 22:46 <dahlia> haha
2014-11-16 22:48 <dahlia> ok.... you really need a good first experience when one downloads and runs all the tundra stuff :)
2014-11-16 22:48 <antont> *nod
2014-11-16 22:48 <dahlia> that guy walking on those plaforms is kinda.... lacking
2014-11-16 22:49 <dahlia> urho has a few things like that ninja game
2014-11-16 22:49 <dahlia> but it could use more also
2014-11-16 22:49 <antont> is better when visit meshmoon worlds, i think especially if you happen to go to different kind of ones like the 2,5d style meeting systems etc, but we should have it nice on the open source side too
2014-11-16 22:50 <dahlia> well whatever pays the rent I guess
2014-11-16 22:50 <antont> i think we can improve that in the coming months, now has been really busy with the RL workshops within the eu frame etc .. at least that has resulted in more docs and infos, but we should transfer it to the install & test by yourself case too
2014-11-16 22:51 <antont> and i think doing those should help with business too, if we can grow the ecosystem
2014-11-16 22:51 <dahlia> afk
2014-11-16 22:51 <antont> 
ACTION eats

2014-11-16 22:53 <dahlia> anyway I need to go out for a while. nice chat :)
2014-11-16 22:53 <antont> ok and thanks for the infos, cu :)
2014-11-16 23:16 <osmantis> Bug #7374:04 llCastRay does not return the UUID of child prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7374 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-11-16 23:26 <osmantis> Bug #7375:04 llCastRay does not treat physics type NONE prims as phantom 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7375 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2014-11-17 13:18 <Clarissa> Did OSGrid shut down?
2014-11-17 16:10 <osmantis> Bug #7376:04 Couldn't start script ... at ... in ... since asset id ... could not be found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7376 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-11-17 16:12 <osmantis> Bug #7376:04 Couldn't start script ... at ... in ... since asset id ... could not be found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7376 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0005311.
2014-11-17 16:12 <osmantis> Bug #5311:04 [PRIM INVENTORY]: Couldn't start script ... since asset ID  ... could not be found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5311 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007376.
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2014-11-19 18:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #3875 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-19 18:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3875: SUCCESS in 9 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3875/
2014-11-19 18:37 <osjenkins> justincc: Add 'terrain feature' command
2014-11-19 18:40 <osmantis> Bug #7365:04 [PATCH] Add ability to create gross terrain features from console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7365 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-11-19 18:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #3876 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-19 18:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3876: SUCCESS in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3876/
2014-11-19 18:52 <osjenkins> justincc: Minor: Update LLLoginService to handle explicitly set login locations that include decimal precision. Fractions might be introduced if setting the initial login location from a viewer splash screen with data from the DataSnapshot service. At present the fractions cause regex to fail when matching the login string causing an exception.
2014-11-19 18:59 <osmantis> Bug #7370:04 [Patch] LLLoginService exception when given location string with decimal numbers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7370 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-11-19 19:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #3877 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-19 19:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3877: SUCCESS in 4 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3877/
2014-11-19 19:18 <osjenkins> justincc: If llStopMoveToTarget() is called on an attachment, then stop the avatar if it was moving to target.
2014-11-19 19:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #3878 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-19 19:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3878: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3878/
2014-11-19 19:23 <osjenkins> justincc: Remove SOP.StopMoveToTarget scheduled update which is now being done in SOG.stopMoveToTarget() as of last commit 67e568
2014-11-19 19:36 <Tank_Master> gettin shytz done, yo
2014-11-19 19:37 <Plugh> 43333333333333333333333333333333333333333e33333333+
2014-11-19 19:38 <nebadon_laptop> 
ACTION waves to Plughs cat!

2014-11-19 19:38 <BlueWall> lol
2014-11-19 19:40 <justincc> or not
2014-11-19 19:40 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: does llMoveToTarget() work for physical prims in opensim?
2014-11-19 19:40 <nebadon_laptop> hmmm
2014-11-19 19:40 <nebadon_laptop> i dont see why it wouldnt
2014-11-19 19:41 <nebadon_laptop> physical is just a flag, it shouldnt switch any LSL functions off I dont think
2014-11-19 19:41 <BlueWall> neb: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/tpokorra:/mono/openSUSE_13.1/
2014-11-19 19:41 <nebadon_laptop> however you might get unpredictable results 
2014-11-19 19:41 <nebadon_laptop> moving physical prims in such a manner
2014-11-19 19:41 <justincc> right, I needed to check a change didn't break stuff but I can't yet get it towork even before the change
2014-11-19 19:41 <justincc> might be using bad values though
2014-11-19 19:41 <nebadon_laptop> let me look at wiki
2014-11-19 19:42 <BlueWall> I used it in some scripts a very long time ago
2014-11-19 19:43 <justincc> hmm http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7303
2014-11-19 19:43 <justincc> might not be working in bulletsim well or even at all
2014-11-19 19:43 <justincc> will try ode
2014-11-19 19:45 <justincc> ya, works in ode
2014-11-19 19:45 <justincc> humph
2014-11-19 19:46 <justincc> as usual, I thought I spotted a small easy improvement and it turns out to be a string that pulls out a bunch of stuff :)
2014-11-19 19:47 <SianaGearz> blameth not thyself, blameth the architecture! except argh, you probably wrote all of that too.
2014-11-19 19:47 <justincc> meh, if only :)
2014-11-19 19:47 <justincc> I feel I've spent most of the last 7 years bugfixing sometimes...
2014-11-19 19:47 <nebadon_laptop> justincc
2014-11-19 19:47 <nebadon_laptop> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/AvatarFollower
2014-11-19 19:47 <nebadon_laptop> try this
2014-11-19 19:48 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: yeah, attachments are fine
2014-11-19 19:48 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: or at least ok, though opensim does behave differently than ll.  It's non-attached phys objects that are the issue
2014-11-19 19:49 <justincc> but from the bug report I'm fairly sure now there's juts a problem in bullet, which I'm now tempted to take a quick look at but probably can't do much with right now
2014-11-19 19:49 <nebadon_laptop> attach?
2014-11-19 19:49 <justincc> scanning that page, it refers to a worn object
2014-11-19 19:49 <nebadon_laptop> that script is not for an attachment
2014-11-19 19:49 <nebadon_laptop> no
2014-11-19 19:49 <nebadon_laptop> the prim follows your avatar
2014-11-19 19:49 <nebadon_laptop> as it moves around
2014-11-19 19:49 <justincc> "  To use this script, stick it into the root prim of an object, and wear that object."
2014-11-19 19:50 <nebadon_laptop> hmm
2014-11-19 19:50 <nebadon_laptop> oh
2014-11-19 19:50 <nebadon_laptop> this makes your avatar automatically follow someone
2014-11-19 19:50 <BlueWall> you should be able to attach a follower script to the avatar - yes
2014-11-19 19:50 <nebadon_laptop> wrong script
2014-11-19 19:51 <nebadon_laptop> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Follower_script
2014-11-19 19:51 <nebadon_laptop> this one is perfect
2014-11-19 19:51 <nebadon_laptop> this is the one i thought i was sending you
2014-11-19 19:51 <justincc> and you have this working in bullet?
2014-11-19 19:51 <nebadon_laptop> let me try but yes
2014-11-19 19:51 <nebadon_laptop> im pretty sure it works
2014-11-19 19:51 <nebadon_laptop> i had a follower at Sisyphus
2014-11-19 19:52 <nebadon_laptop> whenever someone logged an orb would follow you around
2014-11-19 19:52 <nebadon_laptop> it worked great
2014-11-19 19:55 <justincc> yeah, I get it working on ode but nothing on bullet, thuogh I need to take out my most recent changes quickly to test
2014-11-19 19:57 <osmantis> Bug #7373:04 llGetCameraRot does not change for small mouse movements. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7373 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-19 19:58 <smxy> what does 'terrain feature' do? Or is it in the scrollback?
2014-11-19 19:58 <justincc> ok, it works for me now on bulletsim, so I need to investigate further
2014-11-19 19:59 <justincc> smxy: it adds the abiltiy to put down terrain features, at first just a rectangle.  I agree the commit message should have been better
2014-11-19 19:59 <smxy> I'm still not sure I understand.
2014-11-19 19:59 <justincc> I asked dev random to update the wiki console commands page
2014-11-19 19:59 <smxy> okay
2014-11-19 19:59 <justincc> have you read the mantis?
2014-11-19 19:59 <smxy> which mantis? :)
2014-11-19 20:00 <BlueWall> it's supposed to make "clean" terrain features I think.
2014-11-19 20:00 <smxy> ah 7365
2014-11-19 20:00 <justincc> 7365
2014-11-19 20:00 <BlueWall> Sharped edged circles, etc.
2014-11-19 20:00 <smxy> Interesting.
2014-11-19 20:00 <smxy> Thanks!
2014-11-19 20:03 <Tank_Master> 
ACTION doesnt want to touch mantus ever again :P

2014-11-19 20:03 <nebadon_laptop> i like mantis
2014-11-19 20:03 <Tank_Master> i prefer jira
2014-11-19 20:03 <smxy> It's okay. Gets the job done.
2014-11-19 20:03 <Tank_Master> true
2014-11-19 20:03 <BlueWall> I vote for "No Bugs"
2014-11-19 20:03 <smxy> +1
2014-11-19 20:04 <BlueWall> :D
2014-11-19 20:04 <Tank_Master> its all undocumented features anyway :P
2014-11-19 20:04 <BlueWall> ya
2014-11-19 20:04 <smxy> Bugs wearing tuxedos. :)
2014-11-19 20:04 <BlueWall> That's a design feature/enhancement.
2014-11-19 20:04 <nebadon_laptop> i suspect if you ever had to setup a jira you probably wouldnt love it so much
2014-11-19 20:05 <justincc> meh,now it works just fine with my code as well
2014-11-19 20:06 <nebadon_laptop> i dont ever recall that not working for me
2014-11-19 20:06 <Tank_Master> dunno, cus your right, ive just used it and did some minor changes (adding accounts to roles and such)
2014-11-19 20:06 <BlueWall> nebadon_laptop, did you catch that repo url?
2014-11-19 20:06 <nebadon_laptop> which repo?
2014-11-19 20:06 <Tank_Master> so i dont know how hard it is to set either up
2014-11-19 20:06 <BlueWall> neb: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/tpokorra:/mono/openSUSE_13.1/
2014-11-19 20:06 <nebadon_laptop> what is this for?
2014-11-19 20:07 <Tank_Master> but jira is free for us, so thats always a plus :P 
2014-11-19 20:07 <BlueWall> parallel mono/monodevelop
2014-11-19 20:07 <nebadon_laptop> oh mono
2014-11-19 20:07 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2014-11-19 20:07 <nebadon_laptop> thanks
2014-11-19 20:07 <BlueWall> can get the latest things there
2014-11-19 20:08 <BlueWall> I'm reverting back to 13.1 and I missed the monodevelop really bad.
2014-11-19 20:08 <nebadon_laptop> ya, its a shame the troubles with 13.2
2014-11-19 20:08 <nebadon_laptop> because i do like it
2014-11-19 20:08 <BlueWall> me too
2014-11-19 20:08 <nebadon_laptop> im not using it in any kind of production environment though
2014-11-19 20:09 <nebadon_laptop> my server is 12.3 and 13.1
2014-11-19 20:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #3879 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-19 20:09 <BlueWall> I wish that I could say that it is something I'm doing wrong, but I did a pretty extensive test in different environments.
2014-11-19 20:09 <BlueWall> I'm just waiting on the wave of reports to come when people update.
2014-11-19 20:10 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: I wonder if you could do a quick test for me on ghosts?
2014-11-19 20:11 <nebadon_laptop> sure
2014-11-19 20:11 <nebadon_laptop> i can update oscc
2014-11-19 20:11 <justincc> it's not really an update, it's just to see if AllowAvatarCrossing = true in [EntityTransfer] isn't working for some reason (avatars still can't cross)
2014-11-19 20:11 <nebadon_laptop> oh 
2014-11-19 20:11 <nebadon_laptop> i'll defintiely have to test that on oscc
2014-11-19 20:11 <nebadon_laptop> i dont have any contiguous regions
2014-11-19 20:12 <justincc> yeah. keynotes would be easiest
2014-11-19 20:12 <justincc> if you don't have time don't worry - just saves me having to check
2014-11-19 20:12 <nebadon_laptop> ya i can
2014-11-19 20:13 <BlueWall> justincc - here is a stacktrace from new OpenSuse. These are random, but pretty frequent for me on OpenSuSE 13.2. http://pastebin.com/CSpkQ8wU
2014-11-19 20:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3879: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3879/
2014-11-19 20:13 <osjenkins> justincc: If calling llStopMoveToTarget() on an in-world prim, don't send an unnecessary object update if the prim was not moving to target.
2014-11-19 20:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #3880 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-19 20:14 <justincc> BlueWall: which mono?
2014-11-19 20:15 <BlueWall> 3.8.0 (included in the distro) and a prallel 3.10.0
2014-11-19 20:15 <justincc> nasty.  That sure is a lot of threadpool threads hanging around
2014-11-19 20:15 <BlueWall> It seems to be something deeper than mono
2014-11-19 20:15 <justincc> perhaps even in libpthread?
2014-11-19 20:15 <nebadon_laptop> keynote1 and 2 are restarting
2014-11-19 20:15 <justincc> would make it very noticeable though
2014-11-19 20:15 <justincc> to lots of people
2014-11-19 20:16 <BlueWall> Yes, I put some objects there doing sleeps and timers
2014-11-19 20:16 <BlueWall> that is what I'm thinking.
2014-11-19 20:16 <BlueWall> I had this on 2 different servers, one amd, one intel.
2014-11-19 20:16 <BlueWall> one gnome, one kde
2014-11-19 20:17 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: worl, that appears just fine
2014-11-19 20:17 <justincc> cross works
2014-11-19 20:17 <nebadon_laptop> ok cool
2014-11-19 20:17 <justincc> you just removed the config line or set it to true/
2014-11-19 20:17 <justincc> ?
2014-11-19 20:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3880: SUCCESS in 4 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3880/
2014-11-19 20:18 <osjenkins> justincc: refactor: capitalize SOP.moveToTarget() and stopMoveToTarget() in accordance with code guidelines and the rest of the methods.
2014-11-19 20:18 <justincc> man, that's a crazy smooth crossing thuogh
2014-11-19 20:18 <justincc> maybe walking is better than flying
2014-11-19 20:20 <justincc> there is a slightly pause in av movement without rubber banding.  If i wasn't looking for it I might even miss it
2014-11-19 20:20 <justincc> huh
2014-11-19 20:24 <osmantis> Bug #7369:04 redundant llStopMoveToTarget() calls generate unnecessary traffic 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7369 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2014-11-19 20:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #3881 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-19 20:33 <nebadon_laptop> sorry justincc
2014-11-19 20:33 <nebadon_laptop> i set it to false
2014-11-19 20:33 <nebadon_laptop> or sorry to true
2014-11-19 20:33 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: no worries thanks
2014-11-19 20:33 <nebadon_laptop> also
2014-11-19 20:33 <nebadon_laptop> single avatar is usually good on crossing
2014-11-19 20:33 <nebadon_laptop> but
2014-11-19 20:33 <nebadon_laptop> try crossing diretly on a corner
2014-11-19 20:33 <nebadon_laptop> usually ends bad
2014-11-19 20:34 <justincc> right, need to look at that at some stage
2014-11-19 20:34 <nebadon_laptop> i would need to disable it on all 4
2014-11-19 20:34 <nebadon_laptop> or enable i guess
2014-11-19 20:34 <nebadon_laptop> also mass crossings are usually worse too
2014-11-19 20:34 <nebadon_laptop> its gotten better im not quite sure how bad it is anymore
2014-11-19 20:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3881: SUCCESS in 4 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3881/
2014-11-19 20:37 <osjenkins> justincc: Minor: Include missing EventHost power for group owner role.
2014-11-19 20:37 <osmantis> Bug #7372:04 [Patch] Group create does not give creator avatar all group abilities 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7372 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-11-19 20:43 <misterblue> moreToTarget should work for BulletSim... it used to have some damping problems...
2014-11-19 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #7310:04 [Solved] Unable to compile OpenSim 0.8.1 + DSG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7310 ): has been CLOSED
2014-11-19 20:43 <misterblue> 
ACTION is back from my road trip and looking at BulletSim problems again

2014-11-19 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #7376:04 Couldn't start script ... at ... in ... since asset id ... could not be found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7376 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-11-19 20:44 <justincc> misterblue: yeah, I think I was just screwing up somehow
2014-11-19 20:44 <justincc> misterblue: I went back and forth with my code and then it was working just fine
2014-11-19 20:44 <justincc> misterblue: welcome back, also :)
2014-11-19 20:44 <misterblue> thanks... bummer that I missed OSCC
2014-11-19 20:44 <misterblue> 
ACTION is also missing OSGrid

2014-11-19 20:45 <justincc> man, I was so glad it was stable.  First one you don't expect much, second one always more pressure
2014-11-19 20:45 <justincc> it's that difficult second album
2014-11-19 20:45 <osmantis> Bug #5311:04 [PRIM INVENTORY]: Couldn't start script ... since asset ID  ... could not be found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5311 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-11-19 20:46 <misterblue> you did wonders, justincc... you're constant and focused work has improved OS greatly
2014-11-19 20:46 <misterblue> 'you're' => 'your'
2014-11-19 20:46 <misterblue> is 'ghost' merged into 'master' yet?
2014-11-19 20:47 <justincc> thanks misterblue.  No, not merged yet but that's what I'm going to start looking at now
2014-11-19 20:47 <justincc> I wanted to process some waiting contributions first
2014-11-19 20:48 <misterblue> justincc, are the unit tests run on each build?
2014-11-19 20:49 <justincc> only on master atm, which is unfortunate.  However, I have been running them locally on ghosts
2014-11-19 20:50 <misterblue> linux? (about a year ago, all the unit tests didn't complete under Windows)
2014-11-19 20:50 <justincc> yeah, only on linux.  I must admit, I practically never run them under windows
2014-11-19 20:50 <misterblue> 
ACTION is creating some tests for linkset rebuilding

2014-11-19 20:50 <justincc> would certainly be good but would need to organize another box, etc.
2014-11-19 20:51 <misterblue> 
ACTION hopes that thurough testing can replace tearing everything apart and refactoring everything :)

2014-11-19 20:51 <justincc> yeah, tjhat's one reason I try and write them :)
2014-11-19 20:52 <BlueWall> justincc, is it possible to makes test for addon-modules?
2014-11-19 20:52 <justincc> well, I write them to make refactoring safer, which I don't think s what' you're saying
2014-11-19 20:52 <BlueWall> *make tests*
2014-11-19 20:52 <justincc> BlueWall: unforutnately not easy atm, as they require some hardcoded stuff in .nant/local.include
2014-11-19 20:52 <BlueWall> ok
2014-11-19 20:52 <smxy> I didn't think we used nant anymore
2014-11-19 20:52 <BlueWall> something that can be added to Prebuild?
2014-11-19 20:52 <justincc> although one could still run them manually with nunit-gui and similar
2014-11-19 20:53 <BlueWall> smexy, it is still used
2014-11-19 20:53 <BlueWall> smxy
2014-11-19 20:53 <justincc> I still use nant to do stuff like run tests and create releases.  Can't do it through xbuild afaik
2014-11-19 20:53 <smxy> Everytime someone comes in here and says they have a problem building with nant, they are told o use xbuild ...
2014-11-19 20:53 <BlueWall> justincc, nant is an issue with OpenSuSE 13.2 as well
2014-11-19 20:53 <justincc> I also still use it to build usually out of habit - I prefer it's output to xbuild
2014-11-19 20:53 <justincc> BlueWall: oh boy
2014-11-19 20:54 <BlueWall> a person popped in here a couple of weeks ago with one.
2014-11-19 20:54 <misterblue> I've been looking at vehicle border crossing... one problem is that state is stored/replicated/tracked/cached in too many places
2014-11-19 20:54 <justincc> BlueWall: possibly the nunit stuff could be changed to look through all DLLs for unit tests, and not selectivtely
2014-11-19 20:54 <BlueWall> I moved up to 13.2 and have been fighting it fro 2 seeks, reverting back to 13.1
2014-11-19 20:55 <misterblue> the 'right' solution is a big refactoring but that is possibly non-productive work
2014-11-19 20:55 <BlueWall> justincc, I have been thinking about adding nuget support to prebuild too. At least looking into it.
2014-11-19 20:55 <justincc> misterblue: personally, I think cleaning up (refactoring) first is always the best approach rather than trying to build on a rickety base
2014-11-19 20:56 <justincc> BlueWall: it would have been so nice if someone picked up the prebuild project but didn't see anything out there when I last looked
2014-11-19 20:56 <BlueWall> We can just add what we need to it
2014-11-19 20:56 <BlueWall> Or fork it  and try to attract some followers
2014-11-19 20:56 <justincc> Maintaining a build system scares me :)
2014-11-19 20:56 <justincc> of course, that's work too...  
2014-11-19 20:57 <misterblue> just don't go to cmake please
2014-11-19 20:57 <BlueWall> There is a Premake system, but Prebuild is ahead of it from our work.
2014-11-19 20:57 <BlueWall> lol misterblue, what's wrongg with cmake?
2014-11-19 20:58 <BlueWall> I don't think it would generate our solutions anyway.
2014-11-19 20:58 <misterblue> it is amazingly flexible and extendable... and thus no two usages of it are the same and thus any build problem is a new, deep debugging effort
2014-11-19 20:58 <BlueWall> you hvae to cut flips to get it to work with c#
2014-11-19 20:59 <BlueWall> https://www.nuget.org/
2014-11-19 20:59 <BlueWall> I'm just looking at this, and I'm not sure if you can point the tools at private repos or not.
2014-11-19 22:39 <SianaGearz> misterblue: i don't know what build system is "two usages are the same". any advice?
2014-11-19 22:39 <SianaGearz> constraint: it HAS to work at least as nicely with Visual Studio as CMake.
2014-11-19 23:35 <diva> Jessica_Lyon, thanks for having the Lindens look at that bug report. Does it look like they're interested in looking into it? Or just 'meh'?
2014-11-20 00:10 <Jessica_Lyon> diva, Yes I think Monty is going to look at it. But understand he is really busy right now dealing with this CDN disaster, as well as his pipeline work. He is however all about optimizations so no doubt he'll look into it further. I suspect he has put it on his todo list but he may not get to it for a little while.
2014-11-20 00:10 <diva> oh cool.
2014-11-20 00:10 <diva> what CDN disaster?
2014-11-20 00:11 <Jessica_Lyon> ugh.. haha.. uh, hang on...
2014-11-20 00:11 <Jessica_Lyon> http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Tools-and-Technology/CDN-Unleashed/ba-p/2854932
2014-11-20 00:11 <Jessica_Lyon> It was looking FANTASTIC! Until they released it grid wide... 
2014-11-20 00:12 <diva> lol
2014-11-20 00:12 <diva> really?
2014-11-20 00:13 <diva> that post makes it sound really amazing
2014-11-20 00:13 <Jessica_Lyon> ya, it was really amazing
2014-11-20 00:13 <diva> sounds like a really good idea btw
2014-11-20 00:13 <Jessica_Lyon> 'was'
2014-11-20 00:13 <smxy> what isn't that post telling us?
2014-11-20 00:13 <Jessica_Lyon> Monty is pulling his hair out trying to work out what's gone wrong from what I understand.
2014-11-20 00:14 <diva> what is the problem? timeouts and stuff?
2014-11-20 00:14 <diva> busy apache serevrs?
2014-11-20 00:15 <Jessica_Lyon> They don't really know yet. 
2014-11-20 00:15 <Jessica_Lyon> At least not last I heard. 
2014-11-20 00:15 <Jessica_Lyon> but a quick search on their jira https://jira.secondlife.com/issues/?jql=text%20~%20cdn%20ORDER%20BY%20created%20DESC
2014-11-20 00:16 <Jessica_Lyon> obviously not all of those are related... I don't have the same JIRA Fu... Whirly our JIRA Queen has. 
2014-11-20 00:21 -!- ChristophBalhaus(~Christoph@2001:4ba0:fff1:150::2) has left #opensim-dev
2014-11-20 00:22 <diva> do you know what CDN technology they are using?
2014-11-20 00:23 <Jessica_Lyon> I don't know nearly as much about it as Whirly does. She's been helping LL a lot with testing. 
2014-11-20 00:23 <Jessica_Lyon> Unfortunately I don't think Whirly uses IRC... hmm..
2014-11-20 00:24 <LiruCookies> diva: highwinds
2014-11-20 00:24 <smxy> Nice to see you here, btw, Jessica_Lyon
2014-11-20 00:25 <Jessica_Lyon> There is a TPV meeting on Friday at noon. Hippotropolis region in SL. Monty will most likely be there. Great place to ask questions. 
2014-11-20 00:25 <dahlia> I thought they moved asset delivery off of the regions a couple years ago
2014-11-20 00:25 <Jessica_Lyon> ty smxy :)
2014-11-20 00:25 <dahlia> or is this some new http server code?
2014-11-20 00:26 <LiruCookies> This is on the server, mesh and textures are now served from CDN
2014-11-20 00:26 <dahlia> last I heard (couple years ago) was they had 8 simulators and one http server on a box
2014-11-20 00:26 <LiruCookies> There will be a viewer update for this in the future but for now it's a redirect serverside.
2014-11-20 00:26 <Jessica_Lyon> what Liru said ^
2014-11-20 00:26 <Jessica_Lyon> Hey Liru!
2014-11-20 00:26 <LiruCookies> Haii Jess!
2014-11-20 00:27 <dahlia> so is the CDN some massive http server serving users of many regions?
2014-11-20 00:28 <dahlia> and did they add capability for request queueing in persistent connections?
2014-11-20 00:29 <Jessica_Lyon> ah found it... Inara had a good post about it.. here. http://modemworld.wordpress.com/2014/11/08/lab-issues-further-cdn-update-more-improvements-coming/
2014-11-20 00:30 <dahlia> ty
2014-11-20 00:30 <BlueWall> thanks
2014-11-20 00:30 <Jessica_Lyon> yvw :)
2014-11-20 00:33 <dahlia> "We are working with our CDN provider"
2014-11-20 00:34 <Jessica_Lyon> lol
2014-11-20 00:34 <dahlia> wonder who/what that is ;)
2014-11-20 00:34 <dahlia> 
ACTION suspects amazon

2014-11-20 00:34 <Jessica_Lyon> LiruCookies	diva: highwinds
2014-11-20 00:34 <MarcusLlew> http://www.highwinds.com
2014-11-20 00:35 <dahlia> oh intersting
2014-11-20 00:36 <Jessica_Lyon> 
ACTION remembers back when Phoenix released Display names.. which had been released widely already for a month or two before we got it out. And.. because of the additional load we ended up breaking display names for weeks. They didn't have enough backend to support Phoenix users.

2014-11-20 00:36 <Jessica_Lyon> This is a case where... they migrated the entire userbase over at once. 
2014-11-20 00:36 <Jessica_Lyon> I suspect.. it is entirely load related.
2014-11-20 00:37 <diva> in the Encitra grid, I have a CDN of sorts, but very constrained and designed to serve this kind of system. Groups of simulators share local asset servers, and these asset servers all fetch and redirect to the main one when needed. I guess it's what dahlia is describing. But inventory assets are potentially in separate servers too. I'm considering deploying a separate asset server just 
2014-11-20 00:37 <diva> for nebadon's inventory assets :)
2014-11-20 00:37 <Jessica_Lyon> and probably... if the cdn provider doesn't have enough backend they may want to renegotiate their rates lol
2014-11-20 00:37 <MarcusLlew> Lol
2014-11-20 00:38 <dahlia> diva: not sure. what I was describing is what I remember a Linden told me about the early implementations when they were begging to move to http asset delivery 
2014-11-20 00:39 <dahlia> *beginning
2014-11-20 00:39 <Jessica_Lyon> I do hope osgrid can get their assets back. That was more than just a blow to osgrid, but to opensim as a whole. Even if only purely in confidence lost with the platform by folks who don't know better.
2014-11-20 00:40 <dahlia> ya me too
2014-11-20 00:40 <Jessica_Lyon> LL is fully moved to http inventory... this CDN thing effects the texture / object data of a scene to the viewer. 
2014-11-20 00:40 <dahlia> kinda out of our control tho, osgrid is it's own entity and they dont seem too interested in our involvement
2014-11-20 00:41 <Jessica_Lyon> that's.. disappointing...
2014-11-20 00:41 <diva> what do you mean dahlia?
2014-11-20 00:41 <diva> thre's not much anyone can do
2014-11-20 00:42 <dahlia> perhaps not
2014-11-20 00:42 <Jessica_Lyon> I have.. and I don't know ALL the details I'm sure. But speaking for myself.. as a photographer with 6+TB of image/video libraries. I have backups.. OF my backups. Separate drives I store in a different location + I also keep copies of those backups offsite on the cloud. 
2014-11-20 00:42 <SammyG3> 
ACTION is a fly on the wall, but will pass along this osgrid forum posting with recent updates.   http://forums.osgrid.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5287&p=25117#p25117

2014-11-20 00:43 <Jessica_Lyon> I'm just.. flabbergasted there was not backups.. 
2014-11-20 00:43 <smxy> You're not alone in that.
2014-11-20 00:44 <diva> huge amounts of storage, all run by people who don't get paid a single dime, and who don't have the money to build a fail-safe infrastructure
2014-11-20 00:44 <OtakuMegane> Pretty much that ^
2014-11-20 00:44 <Jessica_Lyon> storage is not that expensive these days. 
2014-11-20 00:45 <skittles> Not to mention everyone who was there put themselves there and had the ability to backup from their host machine.
2014-11-20 00:45 <Jessica_Lyon> Microsoft for example.. subscribe to their office 360 for just over $100/year and you get 10tb of online storage. Yes.. that's TB. 
2014-11-20 00:45 <OtakuMegane> It's not so much the storage itself but it needs to be reliable which means you don't want to just throw desktop drives in the server, etc.
2014-11-20 00:45 <Jessica_Lyon> 10tb.. for just over a hundred bucks a year...
2014-11-20 00:45 <Jessica_Lyon> no of course. it has to be RAID and so on. But.. backup drives don't have to be super high end drives. 
2014-11-20 00:45 <Jessica_Lyon> My backup drives are just WD Greens. 
2014-11-20 00:46 <Jessica_Lyon> slow.. sure.. but they're backups. 
2014-11-20 00:46 <dahlia> There's been a lot of discussion in #osgrid but the current plan goes on. I'm glad to see they are still trying to recover data but I had hoped alternative means to getting something back online could have been tried
2014-11-20 00:46 <dahlia> but I'll be happy to be wrong there and see them get a successful recovery
2014-11-20 00:46 <Jessica_Lyon> I really hope they do. 
2014-11-20 00:47 <Jessica_Lyon> But I dunno.. quite a bit of time has passed. 
2014-11-20 00:48 <dahlia> I think there was 3.something TB of asset files and 3.+ has been recovered in a very slow file by file copying process
2014-11-20 00:48 <SammyG3> apparently they are on their 3rd attempt to recover the data.
2014-11-20 00:48 <OtakuMegane> Obviously some people aren't going to be coming back. Long-term it's probably not going to be a major thing though, and in fact could eventually count as a good thing since they have learned from it. Imagine if this happened say 3-4 years down the road.
2014-11-20 00:49 <Jessica_Lyon> ugh.. Don't even want to think about that Otaku
2014-11-20 00:49 <SammyG3> http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2014/11/osgrid-halfway-through-third-data-recovery-attempt/
2014-11-20 00:49 <Jessica_Lyon> but ya... mistakes are good.. providing you learn from them. Necessary step in the learning process mistakes are. 
2014-11-20 00:49 <diva> I feel for osgrid. I don't blame them for not backing things up properly. I do question, however, the philosophy of running a large grid like that, on a budget, on a volunteer basis and without much security in place. I would much rather have a different configuration where osgrid is just a user domain, but not a region domain. That would scale 100x better.
2014-11-20 00:50 <OtakuMegane> It's troublesome now, yes, but can be recovered from, even if they couldn't get assets back and had to start fresh. In a few years it could very well kill the grid ultimately when Opensim is a bigger thing.
2014-11-20 00:50 <Jessica_Lyon> agreed.
2014-11-20 00:51 <smxy> In my day job, I'm a SysAdmin. My most important function is making sure everything is backed up. My second most important function is test loading some of those backups, periodically, to make sure they are actually usable. That's all I have to say.
2014-11-20 00:51 <Jessica_Lyon>  ^
2014-11-20 00:51 <dahlia> diva: what bothers me is osgrid administration used to be somewhat transparent and open. It's become quite secretive since.... <.< >.>
2014-11-20 00:51 <Jessica_Lyon> Backups are critically important. One of those things you never need until you need it. And when you need it you REALLY need it. 
2014-11-20 00:52 <OtakuMegane> AGreed. Even as a personal server, I tend to overengineer mine. :) But I also can throw a few thousand at it if I really want to. OSGrid doesn't quite have that freedom of capital.
2014-11-20 00:52 <dahlia> there really should be something that's open considering the open source nature of opensim
2014-11-20 00:53 <OtakuMegane> I suspect that will be a point of discussion as well, if they aren't already on it.
2014-11-20 00:54 <Jessica_Lyon> I run data backups of my C drive frequently. But once or twice a month I also run a clone of my C drive on a cheapo $60 wd green. So that should my drive fail.. I can just plug that in and boot right up off it being none the different, all be it slower. 
2014-11-20 00:54 <dahlia> I have all kinds of on-site and off-site backups and I could use more :)
2014-11-20 00:54 <Jessica_Lyon> Cost really isn't an excuse. I just can't buy the cost excuse, not when you are responsible for how many users assets?
2014-11-20 00:55 <SammyG3> [23:26:20] <leTwitch> once we have this server live and workable via remote access, we'll order the hot and ready standby server.
2014-11-20 00:55 <dahlia> but I think amazon cloud storage isnt all that pricey
2014-11-20 00:55 <OtakuMegane> I dunno that OSGrid has a company credit line or anything. They basically have whatever is in the bank from donations
2014-11-20 00:55 <Jessica_Lyon> amazon is expensive actually. 
2014-11-20 00:55 <Jessica_Lyon> last I checked.
2014-11-20 00:55 <OtakuMegane> Cloud is good for some things or for short periods but if you need heavy reasources long-term it gets very expensive
2014-11-20 00:56 <dahlia> ya I think its cheap until you get a lot of data then it gets pricier
2014-11-20 00:56 <Jessica_Lyon> Microsoft ondrive. buy their office 360, hundred bucks a year and get 10tb cloud storage. 
2014-11-20 00:56 <Jessica_Lyon> I'm not a huge fan of microsoft obviously but you cannot beat that price. 
2014-11-20 00:57 <Jessica_Lyon> It isn't fast transfer rates or anything but.. when your in a pinch.. it'll save your ass.
2014-11-20 00:57 <dahlia> I kinda like m$oft but I dont use office
2014-11-20 00:58 <Jessica_Lyon> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236732
2014-11-20 00:58 <AllenKerensky> wasn't an option from 2007-pretty much now either.
2014-11-20 00:58 <Jessica_Lyon> I mean really
2014-11-20 00:59 <Jessica_Lyon> usb 3.0 would be faster and cheaper than hiring a data recovery company lol
2014-11-20 00:59 <dahlia> anyway I'm on leTwitch's $h1tlist because I was a bit too aggressive with my suggestions that they consider off-site redundancy so I doubt they care to hear any more of my suggestions
2014-11-20 01:00 <Jessica_Lyon> I dunno.. guess I'm just disgruntled by how it all makes opensim look to non opensim folks. 
2014-11-20 01:00 <AllenKerensky> its not a good situation all around that's for sure
2014-11-20 01:00 <justinccAfk> osgrid is an opensim grid, it's not opensim
2014-11-20 01:00 <dahlia> ya you're not the first persion to mention that Jessica_Lyon
2014-11-20 01:00 <Jessica_Lyon> Oh I know that Justin.. of course. But to non opensim folks.. 
2014-11-20 01:01 <Jessica_Lyon> It just leaves the impression with folks who don't understand that opensim in general is risky and unreliable. 
2014-11-20 01:01 <OtakuMegane> It serves as an object lesson for other grids though. I highly doubt OSGrid is the only one of all those out there that doesn't have proper backups or redundancies.
2014-11-20 01:01 <justincc> well, opensim is risky and unreliable
2014-11-20 01:01 <justincc> unless you really know what you're doing, and even then
2014-11-20 01:01 <AllenKerensky> haven't there been two other grid raid failures this year?
2014-11-20 01:02 <dahlia> I tend to avoid most popular forms of social media otherwise I'd be posting about how osgrid and opensim are not the same
2014-11-20 01:02 <Jessica_Lyon> haha.. true I guess lol
2014-11-20 01:02 <dahlia> AllenKerensky: Ive heard of one other
2014-11-20 01:02 <OtakuMegane> There's a reason it's still considered alpha stage, even though functionally it's not far behind SL ans possibly ahead in some regards
2014-11-20 01:02 <dahlia> craft? cant remember
2014-11-20 01:02 <justincc> well, I think this stuff will just shake out - I think people learn eventually
2014-11-20 01:02 <justincc> it's just a long process
2014-11-20 01:02 <AllenKerensky> yeah I only heard there were two others but it seems like midterm election years hate grids
2014-11-20 01:03 <OtakuMegane> lol
2014-11-20 01:03 <dahlia> it wasnt opensim that failed tho
2014-11-20 01:03 <Jessica_Lyon> SL will not be around forever... Just sayin..
2014-11-20 01:03 <Jessica_Lyon> at least not SL as we know it now. 
2014-11-20 01:03 <OtakuMegane> It was actually a rather unusual case. Most of the time it's the drives that fail or the controller dies. This time the controller went derp but kept going or a while, messing stuff up
2014-11-20 01:04 <AllenKerensky> specially after moving almost all devs to the new world or whatever it was called
2014-11-20 01:04 <Jessica_Lyon> Gonna be a lot of folks looking for the closest thing to SL when it does go.
2014-11-20 01:04 <justincc> I personally think a long time yet
2014-11-20 01:04 <justincc> the decline is very slow
2014-11-20 01:04 <Jessica_Lyon> I hope a long time but I'm not betting on it. 
2014-11-20 01:04 <dahlia> ya still lots of users in SL but I dont see much content creation activity any more
2014-11-20 01:05 <dahlia> very little new stuff being made
2014-11-20 01:05 <Jessica_Lyon> at best... LL will focus their marketing on the new platform and all new signups will land there. Making SL 1 slowly die out due to attrition. 
2014-11-20 01:05 <OtakuMegane> Even if SL holds up, it's going to turn into a 3D social network full of fluff.
2014-11-20 01:05 <justincc> new environements are very tricky
2014-11-20 01:05 <OtakuMegane> Kinda like Habbo HOtel. BUt nobody left to close the pools. :3
2014-11-20 01:05 <justincc> SL2 is a big risk either way
2014-11-20 01:05 <Jessica_Lyon> That'll be the new platform Otaku
2014-11-20 01:06 <dahlia> OtakuMegane: the poos were always closed :P
2014-11-20 01:06 <dahlia> *pools
2014-11-20 01:06 <OtakuMegane> lol
2014-11-20 01:06 <dahlia> well poos too I guess
2014-11-20 01:06 <Jessica_Lyon> lol
2014-11-20 01:07 <osmantis> Bug #7380:04 Key being evaluated as a boolean improperly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7380 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-11-20 01:08 <skittles> new patch for you justin. :D
2014-11-20 01:08 <Jessica_Lyon> I have perhaps some personal vested interests at heart. My thing is trying to improve the user experience and helping folks in that way. New platform is closed source so if I no longer have a place to do my thing in SL.. I'll be looking for a new home. And I'm really hoping that new home will be scalable and ready for me... and my friends. ;)
2014-11-20 01:09 <justincc> Jessica_Lyon: yeah it's tough, lot of complex code
2014-11-20 01:09 <justincc> skittles: ah, need to ask her to make it patch included :)
2014-11-20 01:09 <justincc> will look tomorrow, going soon
2014-11-20 01:09 <skittles> how do i do that?
2014-11-20 01:09 <skittles> i am cinderblocks too. lol
2014-11-20 01:09 <justincc> skittles: oh okay :)
2014-11-20 01:10 <Jessica_Lyon> Cinders?!
2014-11-20 01:10 <skittles> oh, just change status, i see.
2014-11-20 01:10 <skittles> mhm
2014-11-20 01:10 <Jessica_Lyon> hai!
2014-11-20 01:10 <OtakuMegane> I'm already done with SL. I hop on to poke around and see if anybody in weapons testing is still alive from time to time but that's about it.
2014-11-20 01:10 <osmantis> Bug #7380:04 Key being evaluated as a boolean improperly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7380 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2014-11-20 01:10 <justincc> skittles: you should have a drop down next to "change status to"?
2014-11-20 01:10 <justincc> ok cool :)
2014-11-20 01:10 <Jessica_Lyon> WT... geeze.. fond memories there..
2014-11-20 01:10 <skittles> i found it.
2014-11-20 01:11 <OtakuMegane> Oh damn, that's why your name is familiar lol.
2014-11-20 01:11 <Jessica_Lyon> haha
2014-11-20 01:11 <Jessica_Lyon> I was used to greif the greifers 
2014-11-20 01:11 <Jessica_Lyon> good times
2014-11-20 01:11 <OtakuMegane> Yeah. I still get to do that every so often
2014-11-20 01:12 <Jessica_Lyon> I miss it.. I can't do it now else it'd look bad on the project. 
2014-11-20 01:12 <Jessica_Lyon> Gotta be politically correct now... democratic.. all that jazz
2014-11-20 01:12 <skittles> w/e it was you who griefed hippo hollow that one time with the boxes.
2014-11-20 01:12 <OtakuMegane> Yeah that sorta stuff sucks
2014-11-20 01:12 <Jessica_Lyon> I never griefed hippo hollow! o.0
2014-11-20 01:13 <skittles> well it certainly wasn't me.
2014-11-20 01:13 <skittles> 
ACTION looks around all innocent like.

2014-11-20 01:13 <Jessica_Lyon> certainly never boxes. Actually those were the greifers that pissed me off the most. Area effect greifing is just lame
2014-11-20 01:13 <Jessica_Lyon> haha, you didn't! 
2014-11-20 01:13 <Jessica_Lyon> did you?
2014-11-20 01:13 <Jessica_Lyon> bad!
2014-11-20 01:13 <skittles> i was stress testing.
2014-11-20 01:14 <Jessica_Lyon> LOL
2014-11-20 01:14 <Jessica_Lyon> that only worked on crash me
2014-11-20 01:14 <OtakuMegane> I just kept upgrading my b&hammer. Does a bunch of fun stuff now
2014-11-20 01:15 <Jessica_Lyon> I used to be nightmare denches worst nightmare. 
2014-11-20 01:15 <Jessica_Lyon> wonder if he is still around
2014-11-20 01:15 <OtakuMegane> Well it's a 'pony hammer' now since I changed avs a while back but same function.
2014-11-20 01:15 <skittles> he has an army now.
2014-11-20 01:15 <Jessica_Lyon> what?
2014-11-20 01:15 <OtakuMegane> I don't think he's been around in a long time.
2014-11-20 01:15 <Jessica_Lyon> an army?
2014-11-20 01:15 <skittles> though it's unclear whether they are alts of his or not.
2014-11-20 01:15 <Jessica_Lyon> oh c'mon. Bots maybe..
2014-11-20 01:15 <OtakuMegane> People claim to be him of course
2014-11-20 01:15 <Jessica_Lyon> ya.. because he has zero social skills to create a following
2014-11-20 01:15 <skittles> feeder wizardly
2014-11-20 01:16 <Jessica_Lyon> can't believe he is still around...
2014-11-20 01:16 <skittles> this site has been updated this year http://nightmaredench.hpage.com
2014-11-20 01:16 <Jessica_Lyon> persistent little bonehead.
2014-11-20 01:16 <Jessica_Lyon> good lord
2014-11-20 01:17 <OtakuMegane> My favorites though were the people rezzing houses and the ones who attacked me with vehicle guns.
2014-11-20 01:17 <Jessica_Lyon> oh man haha
2014-11-20 01:18 <Jessica_Lyon> I gotta watch what I say or it'll come back and bite me lol
2014-11-20 01:18 <Jessica_Lyon> But ya... Fun times! 
2014-11-20 01:18 <OtakuMegane> My hammer has a Macross Missile Massacre mode now. Can shoot a dozen or so shortbuses every second.
2014-11-20 01:18 <Jessica_Lyon> LOL
2014-11-20 01:19 <Jessica_Lyon> that's definitely him.. wow. 
2014-11-20 01:19 <justincc> time to rest, goodnight folks
2014-11-20 01:19 <Jessica_Lyon> yep.. time for me to head out too. 
2014-11-20 01:19 <Jessica_Lyon> I'll just afk here
2014-11-20 01:19 <OtakuMegane> Night
2014-11-20 01:24 <Gfxguru> join /realxtend-dev
2014-11-20 01:25 <Gfxguru> oops
2014-11-20 01:25 <Gfxguru> lol
2014-11-20 01:28 <Gfxguru> can anyone tell me where robust code originated?
2014-11-20 01:28 <Gfxguru> metaverse?
2014-11-20 01:28 <Gfxguru> forgive my ignorance
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2014-11-20 01:54 <BlueWall>  /msg smxy Hey smxy, where would be the best place to mount a r/w filesystem for shared development work - probably controled by group perms ? Thanks
2014-11-20 01:54 <BlueWall> lol
2014-11-20 01:56 <OtakuMegane> Lotsa command fail tonight
2014-11-20 01:57 <BlueWall> haa, have to want those leading spaces here
2014-11-20 01:57 <BlueWall> watch
2014-11-20 01:57 <BlueWall> 
ACTION needs to call it a day and stream some Netflix

2014-11-20 01:59 <BlueWall> lol, nice message
2014-11-20 02:31 <smxy> Well, you can mount it anywhere in the filesystem you want. Most systems have a /mnt directory and that's where I wouldn't put it, because that's often used for any temporary mopunts one needs when administering the system. At work, we settled on putting our shared dir at /fs2 
2014-11-20 02:31 <smxy> BlueWall^
2014-11-20 02:37 <BlueWall> Ok, so you create a mount point especially for it for it?
2014-11-20 02:38 <BlueWall> I'm rebuilding things here and I'm tring to keep the home directories clean - that is where I normally keep working projects.
2014-11-20 02:38 <BlueWall> Trying to break out of that habit.
2014-11-20 02:38 <BlueWall> Thanks for the info.
2014-11-20 04:19 <AliciaRaven> nebadon_laptop, u there?
2014-11-20 04:20 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2014-11-20 04:20 <AliciaRaven> i wrote an app to view opensim logs and im thinking of releasing it open source, u think it would be worth it?
2014-11-20 04:20 <nebadon_laptop> sure
2014-11-20 04:20 <nebadon_laptop> put it up on github
2014-11-20 04:20 <AliciaRaven> reads log files are shows them in the same format as the console
2014-11-20 04:20 <AliciaRaven> http://www.spellscape.co.uk/alicia/logview.png
2014-11-20 04:21 <AliciaRaven> think many people would find that useful?
2014-11-20 04:21 <nebadon_laptop> is that C#?
2014-11-20 04:21 <AliciaRaven> yes
2014-11-20 04:21 <nebadon_laptop> ya 
2014-11-20 04:21 <nebadon_laptop> email opensim-dev
2014-11-20 04:21 <nebadon_laptop> something like that may even be useful in core
2014-11-20 04:22 <AliciaRaven> ok thanks, will need to clean up some stuff first but ill stick it on github and send an email
2014-11-20 04:22 <nebadon_laptop> great, thanks
2014-11-20 04:22 <AliciaRaven> i found it a pain looking though them plane text lol
2014-11-20 04:22 <nebadon_laptop> indeed
2014-11-20 04:22 <nebadon_laptop> great idea
2014-11-20 04:23 <AliciaRaven> also highlights UUIDs and http addresses
2014-11-20 04:55 <smxy> that looks really nice. Wouldn't mind seeing that in Core.
2014-11-20 05:00 <AliciaRaven> its good for finding errors as they show up in red text just like the console
2014-11-20 05:25 <smxy> That alone makes it worth it. :)
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2014-11-20 05:58 <misterblue> as I remember, it was added by Melanie and Diva directly into OpenSim
2014-11-20 05:59 <misterblue> humm... old message... ignore me
2014-11-20 06:01 <AliciaRaven> nebadon_laptop?
2014-11-20 06:02 <AliciaRaven> wanting to add this to github but not sure how to create the build scripts to create the solution like os does
2014-11-20 06:02 <AliciaRaven> smxy?
2014-11-20 06:52 <AliciaRaven> smxy_ nebadon_laptop code is on github now https://github.com/AliciaRaven/OpenSim-Log-View
2014-11-20 06:53 <nebadon_laptop> nice, thanks
2014-11-20 06:53 <AliciaRaven> would let me know if i included any project files i shouldnt have?
2014-11-20 07:09 <nebadon_laptop> ok I will try to take a look in the morning
2014-11-20 07:16 <AliciaRaven> k thanks
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2014-11-20 18:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #3882 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-20 18:00 <osmantis> Bug #7380:04 Key being evaluated as a boolean improperly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7380 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-20 18:01 <osmantis> Bug #7380:04 Key being evaluated as a boolean improperly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7380 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-11-20 18:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3882: SUCCESS in 4 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3882/
2014-11-20 18:04 <osjenkins> jamesh: LSL key should be implicitly cast to a boolean value
2014-11-20 19:11 <gfxguru> howdy folks
2014-11-20 19:20 <Plugh> In 0.8-post-fixes has anyone experienced,or heard of, regions and/or parcels losing their parcel settings after region restarts? I've got a sandbox region that lost the two parcels I had split out from the region for some testing and the prims around the parcels used to mark the location of the parcels are gone. I'm also being told that parcels keep reverting to "Your parcel" for the names and stream settings a
2014-11-20 19:22 <LiruCookies> Plugh: Did you run out of characters there?
2014-11-20 19:22 <Plugh> How much did you see?
2014-11-20 19:23 <LiruCookies> "Your parcel" for the names and stream settings a
2014-11-20 19:23 <Plugh> I'm also being told that parcels keep reverting to "Your parcel" for the names and stream settings are also often lost.
2014-11-20 19:23 <Plugh> It all showed at this end ok. Thanks for letting me know some of it was missing
2014-11-20 19:24 <LiruCookies> Yeah, locally your client should display it fine, but there's a cap on the server.
2014-11-20 19:24 <LiruCookies> There are scripts for that, depending on client
2014-11-20 19:25 <LiruCookies> I have irssi, so I do /script load splitlong.pl
2014-11-20 19:28 <AllenKerensky> Plugh yes there was a problem with that earlier this year but I don't know the specific affected versions
2014-11-20 19:28 <AllenKerensky> But I do remember a number of folks reporting issues with "Your parcel" and I remember hitting it once myself. 
2014-11-20 19:29 <AllenKerensky> But it was found and fixed at some point, but since I run close to master at all times, I can't remember between when and when it was fixed.
2014-11-20 19:29 <AllenKerensky> Sorry that's not much help - but maybe digging through the git logs can help find the fix
2014-11-20 19:31 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: ty. It is good to know that it is, or was, an issue in the past. It eliminates grid configuration as the culprit.
2014-11-20 19:32 <AllenKerensky> may be related to: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035
2014-11-20 19:33 <Plugh> That sounds like the problem being reported to me.
2014-11-20 19:33 <AllenKerensky> that was the problem I had - I had to go zap some trash records from the land table in database and restart the region - was fine after that and hasn't recurred since I updated past the affected versions
2014-11-20 19:34 <AllenKerensky> grep "Your Parcel" from your log and you may see those cannot add parcel error messages start up recently
2014-11-20 19:40 <Plugh> I'll check if my version of 0.8 includes aa2fb1e
2014-11-20 19:42 <Plugh> ok, it does. Interestingly that commit just increasedsize of parcel name field.
2014-11-20 19:48 <Plugh> Grr... git has forgotten m password for the OS repository.
2014-11-20 19:48 <Plugh> s/m/my/
2014-11-20 19:50 <diva> oh cool, the Lindens have now accepted the send_agent_update bug report as "major". Let's see what they do with it...
2014-11-20 19:50 <Plugh> hm... wrong URL in the string for remote URL
2014-11-20 19:50 <BlueWall> Haaa, awesome! 
2014-11-20 19:51 <BlueWall> Great find Diva!
2014-11-20 19:52 <nebadon_laptop> will be intersting and somewhat disturbing if it turns out to actually have a major impact on SL
2014-11-20 19:53 <diva> I can't believe that no one was bothered by this endless blabber all this time! even if it's on purpose, the waste of electricity really bothers me
2014-11-20 19:54 <BlueWall> I guess Mercurial has something like git blame and it might show how long that has been around.
2014-11-20 19:54 <diva> it's been there since the mercurial repo was created
2014-11-20 19:55 <diva> I checked :)
2014-11-20 19:55 <diva> this is very old code
2014-11-20 19:55 <BlueWall> ohh, haa. Well that's a lot of extra packets.
2014-11-20 19:57 <AllenKerensky> Way to go Diva - that will be a major score EVEN if its something that the TPVs have to patch because LL ultimately drops interest
2014-11-20 19:57 <diva> maybe they never really measured the impact of those extra packets. I did, and it's not fun.
2014-11-20 19:57 <BlueWall> maybe a dev put it in for some debug purpose and forgot/left/etc.
2014-11-20 19:58 <AllenKerensky> Diva's Cautionary Coderonomy: Never underestimate the wasted bandwidth of a misplaced boolean.
2014-11-20 19:58 <diva> :) heheh
2014-11-20 19:59 <diva> I'm going to use that quote! :D
2014-11-20 19:59 <AllenKerensky> please do
2014-11-20 19:59 <AllenKerensky> I saw your earlier chat about the difference with it false ... totally boggling
2014-11-20 19:59 <AllenKerensky> I thought control events were bad - this sounded worse - without even having control events in play
2014-11-20 20:00 <dahlia> control events are exactly what they are
2014-11-20 20:01 <AllenKerensky> ah okay I thought these were the move or rotation events separately but I guess its all the same code
2014-11-20 20:02 <AllenKerensky> in any case - super sleuthing for great justice
2014-11-20 20:02 <dahlia> press a key to move it changes the agent update
2014-11-20 20:02 <dahlia> its how those controls are sent to the sim
2014-11-20 20:03 <AllenKerensky> ooff those have always been a spew when I've looked at debugging scripts with control events...
2014-11-20 20:05 <dahlia> SL has a very lifelike avatar movement that OpenSim doesnt have. Avatar heads and eyes all track mouse movement and other people can see it. Some viewers exploit it and show you who is lookint at you and where with a special UI flag
2014-11-20 20:05 <dahlia> *looking
2014-11-20 20:05 <diva> yuo see that in opensim too, depending on wheter your viewer is configured to let those events flow
2014-11-20 20:06 <diva> and those are different events, btw, not Agent Updates
2014-11-20 20:06 <AllenKerensky> yes some viewers turn it off by default but have it as opt in
2014-11-20 20:06 <AllenKerensky> i personally like the mouse tracking - you can see people getting ready to reply to a chat or whatever
2014-11-20 20:06 <dahlia> it's always been there as long as I can remember and I even remember seeing it on other avatars when SL still had casinos and some were filled to 100 avatars
2014-11-20 20:06 <AllenKerensky> or move the mouse offscreen to deal with other windows
2014-11-20 20:07 <dahlia> I know because I was tryint to emulate it with my camp bots
2014-11-20 20:10 <dahlia> some of those casinos had the best paying camping chairs lol
2014-11-20 20:11 <BlueWall> bots camping: T T T T T T T T
2014-11-20 20:11 <dahlia> imagine how many UDP packets Philip's new High Fidelity requires
2014-11-20 20:12 <dahlia> the avatar
2014-11-20 20:12 <dahlia> I bet it's more
2014-11-20 20:12 <BlueWall> What is the policy for us to look at that?
2014-11-20 20:12 <dahlia> policy?
2014-11-20 20:12 <BlueWall> yes
2014-11-20 20:12 <BlueWall> like the old viewer code ban
2014-11-20 20:13 <dahlia> none Im aware of
2014-11-20 20:13 <dahlia> its open source, apache I think
2014-11-20 20:14 <Plugh> Dang. The fix for 7035 may be buried in a merge.
2014-11-20 20:14 <diva> dahlia, 10/sec will give you a decent "fidelity" already. 
2014-11-20 20:14 <dahlia> we dont have IBM's paranoid lawyers looking us over any more
2014-11-20 20:14 <BlueWall> Plugh, bang it with git-fu 
2014-11-20 20:14 <dahlia> diva: dunno, Philip seems to have some empirical data on that
2014-11-20 20:15 <diva> however, if the person clicks "stop mimicking me, you idiot avatar" and the software keeps on sending UDP packets as if there was no global warning, that's a bug :)
2014-11-20 20:15 <BlueWall> Looks like you have to hook up to a lot of gear.
2014-11-20 20:15 <diva> global warming too :)
2014-11-20 20:16 <dahlia> most other game UDP stacks Ive seen use 30/second
2014-11-20 20:16 <dahlia> pretty sure realxtend uses 30 also
2014-11-20 20:22 <cmickeyb> doesn't that depend on how good your interpolation code is?
2014-11-20 20:24 <AliciaRaven> i had though that high position updates where mostly for fps games where weapon targeting accuracy was important, not something like sl /opensim
2014-11-20 20:32 <dahlia> cmickeyb: I think they do fixed rate 30/second
2014-11-20 20:35 <dahlia> AliciaRaven: people do use SL/OpenSim for competitive role play gaming
2014-11-20 20:36 <dahlia> I think Melanie_T has a lot of it on her grid
2014-11-20 20:36 <dahlia> or did at one time
2014-11-20 20:40 <AliciaRaven> yes we have it aswell, but the lag between firing a scripted weapon and it responding is alot more relivent than reducing the agent updates and relying more on interpolation, thats more for prim bullets tho
2014-11-20 20:43 <AliciaRaven> anyway, doesnt divas fix only reduce the packets when the avatar isnt moving so it wouldnt even make a difference if an avatar was running in a combat situation
2014-11-20 20:44 <dahlia> AliciaRaven: lag is additive
2014-11-20 20:46 <dahlia> I don't know what diva is changing. I'm offering what I believe may be some of the rationale for a higher rate ( >= 10/second )
2014-11-20 20:46 <dahlia> her changes may do that already
2014-11-20 20:46 <AliciaRaven> an idle avatar shouldnt need high update rates and the block is only for idle avatars so it wont have any effect on combat
2014-11-20 20:47 <dahlia> perhaps so
2014-11-20 20:47 <AliciaRaven> opensim is already discarding these packets for avatars that havnt moved, so the change diva pointed out will just stop those packets on idle avatars that the sim is already having to process and then ignore
2014-11-20 20:48 <dahlia> but if the mouse moves, do you then increase the rate?
2014-11-20 20:48 <dahlia> AliciaRaven: yes it is and Im not happy about it. I had hoped to have the lifelike avatar appearance that SL has
2014-11-20 20:49 <AliciaRaven> if the movement increases then the packets are increased again if i understand it correctly
2014-11-20 20:49 <dahlia> I havent noticed UDP processing being an issue on my sims
2014-11-20 20:49 <dahlia> well then maybe that is a comprehensive solution
2014-11-20 20:49 <AliciaRaven> its only reducing the packets when the difference in position from the last one is tiny
2014-11-20 20:50 <dahlia> well measuring the distance is costly also
2014-11-20 20:50 <dahlia> it requires a square root calculation
2014-11-20 20:50 <AliciaRaven> so dropping those packets at the viewer side can only be a good thing i thing i think
2014-11-20 20:50 <dahlia> it could be done without it
2014-11-20 20:51 <dahlia> AliciaRaven: assuming one is aware of *all* the reasoning behind it being flagged off
2014-11-20 20:52 <AliciaRaven> true, will be interesting to see what the lindens say, if they say much about it that is
2014-11-20 20:53 <dahlia> assuming any lindens are around who know it also
2014-11-20 20:53 <dahlia> I'd guess any who may know (Philip, Andrew) are no longer at LL
2014-11-20 20:54 <AliciaRaven> yea, i hope who ever does look into it takes the time to check carefully
2014-11-20 20:58 <AliciaRaven> i do hope it is some thing that can be changed, sending 10 packets every second for a stationery avatar seems crazy
2014-11-20 20:59 <dahlia> many games use 30 :)
2014-11-20 21:00 <AliciaRaven> yep but they are 100% action, gotta find a ballance
2014-11-20 21:00 <dahlia> to be fair, in my UDP stack I only do it on state chages :)
2014-11-20 21:00 <diva> dahlia the mouse movements don't come via Agent Updates. They come via ViewerEffect
2014-11-20 21:00 <diva> different signaling
2014-11-20 21:00 <dahlia> ah ya perhaps they do
2014-11-20 21:00 <dahlia> its head rotation
2014-11-20 21:00 <dahlia> camera
2014-11-20 21:01 <diva> and yes, what I'm pointing out is related to avatars doing absolutely nothing at all, no walking, no rotations, no change of state, no camera movements, nothing
2014-11-20 21:01 <diva> hands off the keyboard and mouse
2014-11-20 21:02 <dahlia> agreed it *should* only be necessary then ;)
2014-11-20 21:02 <AliciaRaven> and the look at notifications u mentioned are sent when the camera is set on an avatar i think, ctrl+click, not just hovering the mouse
2014-11-20 21:03 <dahlia> I believe the AgentUpdate is also a "Yes I'm still here, please dont disconnect me" reminder but I don't know how frequent it needs to be to accomplish that
2014-11-20 21:03 <Plugh> One region where I lost parcel data only has one entry in the land table so duplicates is not the issue affecting me
2014-11-20 21:03 <diva> dahlia, no
2014-11-20 21:04 <diva> that's yet a different packet, a ping
2014-11-20 21:04 <dahlia> diva: well not sending AgentUpdates used to disconnect libomv bots
2014-11-20 21:05 <diva> that's odd
2014-11-20 21:06 <diva> anywya, afk
2014-11-20 21:07 <dahlia> cya
2014-11-20 21:09 <dahlia> anyway I think SL sims have all the UDP stack written in c++ which is probably one area where it's a lot more efficient than doing it in a managed runtime
2014-11-20 21:10 <AliciaRaven> yes, and they managed with it all this time, would be a big help for os if it turns out it can be reduced
2014-11-20 21:11 <dahlia> dunno. UDP has not seemed significant in any of my sims. Physics and scripting and assets are the biggies for me
2014-11-20 21:13 <AliciaRaven> i havnt had problems as far as i know, but im ocd about optimization, maybe it will help with those if the server and bandwidth isnt so cluttered with udp agent updates
2014-11-20 21:14 <dahlia> if you want clutter, watch youtube or netflix. SL is nothing compared to them
2014-11-20 21:15 <AliciaRaven> i dont mind clutter on my end, just worry about server side lol
2014-11-20 22:25 <smxy> I could use the savings in electricity of not sending all those useless packets around, if they really aren't needed. :)
2014-11-20 22:26 <smxy> I doubt the savings will make me rich though. Shame. :)
2014-11-20 22:27 <AliciaRaven> hey smxy, http://www.spellscape.co.uk/home/news/logview
2014-11-20 22:27 <AliciaRaven> link to github is on there aswell for the source
2014-11-20 22:39 <dahlia> diva: now I remember why I thought mouse movement was sent over AgentUpdate. In mouselook mode mouse movement is translated to camera direction and that *is* sent via AgentUpdate and controls movement direction and is used by some scripts for targeting/aiming
2014-11-20 22:56 <justincc> hey nebadon_laptop
2014-11-20 22:56 <nebadon_laptop> hello
2014-11-20 22:57 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: if you update with ghosts now and want to keep the phantom avatar behaviour, you will need to set AvatarToAvatarCollisionsByDefault = false in [BulletSim]
2014-11-20 22:57 <justincc> if you don't care about keeping that, you don't need to do any config
2014-11-20 22:57 <nebadon_laptop> ok cool thanks
2014-11-20 22:59 <dahlia> so in some games you collide with foe characters but not against friend characters. Would be kinda nice if OpenSim could do that :) Not sure many would use it tho
2014-11-20 23:00 <justincc> it strikes me that in many games you don't collide with other avatars
2014-11-20 23:01 <dahlia> the idea is called "body blocking"
2014-11-20 23:01 <dahlia> you use it as a tactic
2014-11-20 23:01 <dahlia> but you dont want to against your own team
2014-11-20 23:04 <dahlia> http://www.reddit.com/r/EQNext/comments/1k8dkk/character_collision_with_playersnpcs/
2014-11-20 23:05 <dahlia> some thoughts on the topic
2014-11-20 23:06 <misterblue> the flags should allow that... the current is all or nothing but suitable LSL extensions and scripting could be added to make it per avatar
2014-11-20 23:07 <dahlia> ya not a priority for me, just thought I'd throw the concept out there while people were poking around in that code
2014-11-20 23:07 <justincc> misterblue: btw, the indenting on the bulletsim files is a bit of a pain. I have to constantly correct my auto-indenting editor
2014-11-20 23:08 <misterblue> it isn't all spaces?
2014-11-20 23:08 <justincc> yes, but the class isn't indented within the namespace
2014-11-20 23:09 <misterblue> oh that... ya... I hate the wasted indentation of that top level indentation... makes the whole file shifted over to no purpose
2014-11-20 23:09 <justincc> you're going to tell me you're another 80 column green screen devotee...
2014-11-20 23:09 <zadark> AgentUpdate and ViewerEffect  are mutually exclusive.  
2014-11-20 23:09 <misterblue> LOL... no, not that demented
2014-11-20 23:10 <BlueWall> hehe
2014-11-20 23:10 <dahlia> formatting religion is a pet peeve of mine. There really should be a way that one's editor/file viewer formats it according to the uer's preference and who cares what the source looks like
2014-11-20 23:11 <dahlia> *user's preference
2014-11-20 23:15 <AliciaRaven> hey justincc, this any use to u when debugging? http://www.spellscape.co.uk/home/news/logview
2014-11-20 23:15 <djphil> Ho AliciaRaven, ty for precompiled logview :) (tested on my windows > work fine!)
2014-11-20 23:16 <AliciaRaven> cool djphil, finding it useful?
2014-11-20 23:16 <djphil> +/- lol
2014-11-20 23:16 <djphil> but is fun !
2014-11-20 23:17 <djphil> it read aurora logs too ?
2014-11-20 23:17 <AliciaRaven> i like to scan logs quickly and spot the red, hate doing it with plain text
2014-11-20 23:17 <djphil> yes that useful
2014-11-20 23:17 <justincc> AliciaRaven: that is pretty neat.  I usually just grep for "ERROR" or "WARN" but having highlighted uuids is pretty nice
2014-11-20 23:17 <smxy> AliciaRaven: definitely nice :)
2014-11-20 23:18 <AliciaRaven> dont know i havnt tried aurora logs, not used aurora in a long time
2014-11-20 23:18 <djphil> probably aurora use different tags ...
2014-11-20 23:19 <AliciaRaven> cool, well source is included so if u want to make mods u can
2014-11-20 23:20 <djphil> i hope justin make binary's for all opensimulator-tools soon :p
2014-11-20 23:20 <justincc> all the files in that are python
2014-11-20 23:20 <djphil> snake!
2014-11-20 23:20 <justincc> well, also some php
2014-11-20 23:20 <justincc> no compiled languages though
2014-11-20 23:21 <djphil> I am interested in a display system stats on inword panels you have done
2014-11-20 23:22 <AliciaRaven> justincc, i designed it so each line is a class object and gets asigned an enum for the module type, then in the future it can be filtered to show only lines relating to networking for example, might be more useful then for debuging
2014-11-20 23:23 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-11-20 23:23 <AliciaRaven> not done that code yet tho
2014-11-20 23:23 <djphil> I think someone had done something similar with jsonstats and google graphs ... but it seems not work now
2014-11-20 23:23 <AllenKerensky> that looks pretty epic AliciaRaven - kudos
2014-11-20 23:23 <AliciaRaven> ty
2014-11-20 23:23 <justincc> djphil: my graph stuff only operates on historical data really.  In theory you could keep running it on a live file but it would be expensive to regenerate graphs all the time
2014-11-20 23:24 <smxy> RRD?
2014-11-20 23:25 <djphil> every 300 sec would be sufficient
2014-11-20 23:25 <AliciaRaven> red rubber duck?
2014-11-20 23:25 <smxy> round robin database. great for gathering data in and putting up graphs thereof.
2014-11-20 23:26 <justincc> djphil: yeah could do.  Would need to add code to actually set a begin time.
2014-11-20 23:26 <BlueWall> We need rrd 
2014-11-20 23:26 <smxy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RRDtool
2014-11-20 23:26 <smxy> Lots of apps use it
2014-11-20 23:26 <AliciaRaven> ah
2014-11-20 23:26 <BlueWall> I have used that with python before, would be great if we could generate it
2014-11-20 23:26 <justincc> AliciaRaven: worth adding a link to your tool in http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Related_Software#Log_Analysis ?
2014-11-20 23:26 <djphil> with the system based on jsonstats is also interesting and it helps with google charts of different forms, which is nice for a pretty presentation.
2014-11-20 23:27 <dahlia> didnt orenh add some round robin like thing once?
2014-11-20 23:27 <justincc> not afaik
2014-11-20 23:27 <AliciaRaven> justincc, ah good idea, i was going to ask if there was a list some where of tools, ty
2014-11-20 23:27 <dahlia> or was he just talking abou tit
2014-11-20 23:27 <dahlia> some log rotation thing
2014-11-20 23:28 <justincc> AliciaRaven: yeah, I reorganized it and recateogorizd it recently.  In fact, I just added the log analysis section with a link to my much more basic tool which mainly pulls out unique user numbers for a given log
2014-11-20 23:28 <BlueWall> no, this is a database system
2014-11-20 23:28 <dahlia> oh
2014-11-20 23:28 <justincc> but this kind of log parsing is a blunt instrument and prone to inaccuracy
2014-11-20 23:28 <BlueWall> it is a fixed size from initialization
2014-11-20 23:28 <smxy> stores and graphs current and historical data over a set period of time
2014-11-20 23:29 <BlueWall> then the rrdtools have tools to generate graphs from the data
2014-11-20 23:29 <smxy> yup. it's very nice.
2014-11-20 23:29 <BlueWall> Itould bre really minimal impact on us fro stuffing the data
2014-11-20 23:30 <dahlia> how about the way apache logs work? theres probably lots of tools that munge them into graphs and other stuffs Id imagine
2014-11-20 23:31 <dahlia> where it makes a new file every now and then and gzipps the old stuff and deletes ancient ones
2014-11-20 23:31 <BlueWall> this isn't log data, but raw counter data
2014-11-20 23:31 <dahlia> oh
2014-11-20 23:31 <smxy> like all the stats info
2014-11-20 23:32 <BlueWall> think high performance router
2014-11-20 23:32 <BlueWall> http://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool/gallery/index.en.html
2014-11-20 23:32 <BlueWall> It doesn't generate the graphs automaticaly (unless you want), just stores the data
2014-11-20 23:32 <justincc> one could potentially make the code adaptable to post them into a database rather than write to a log
2014-11-20 23:33 <BlueWall> The monitoring module would be a good place to put this
2014-11-20 23:33 <djphil> that your stuff if i have not wrong BlueWall ? http://digigrids.no-ip.org/opensim/jsonstats/
2014-11-20 23:33 <justincc> not really, it's pretty dead
2014-11-20 23:33 <dahlia> is that like that munin thing?
2014-11-20 23:34 <djphil> @ BlueWall : this stuff is obselet ?
2014-11-20 23:34 <BlueWall> it is in the 'guts' of many major applications
2014-11-20 23:34 <BlueWall> Cacti uses it
2014-11-20 23:34 <BlueWall> haa, djphil, that was a long time ago.
2014-11-20 23:34 <djphil> yeah!
2014-11-20 23:35 <djphil> i love it !
2014-11-20 23:35 <BlueWall> did you get it to work on your grid?
2014-11-20 23:35 <djphil> but i can't makee it work : (((
2014-11-20 23:35 <djphil> no i trying
2014-11-20 23:35 <BlueWall> Google has some pretty nice javascript guages
2014-11-20 23:35 <djphil> i found a timer.js ...
2014-11-20 23:35 <BlueWall> you used that code from the wiki?
2014-11-20 23:36 <djphil> what wiki ? opensim ?
2014-11-20 23:36 <BlueWall> yes
2014-11-20 23:36 <djphil> I do not remember where I found this know ...
2014-11-20 23:37 <djphil> iI think the wiki links its obselets
2014-11-20 23:37 <djphil> and the links to the code file timer.js is also obselet
2014-11-20 23:38 <djphil> so I searched on google
2014-11-20 23:38 <BlueWall> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/User_talk:BlueWall
2014-11-20 23:38 <djphil> yes is that
2014-11-20 23:38 <djphil> i have remplaced http://ascent.bluewallgroup.com:9300/jsonSimStats/?callback=? by my url
2014-11-20 23:39 <BlueWall> yes, that doesn't work here atm.
2014-11-20 23:39 <misterblue> I have javascript based web pages that fetch the JSON stats from a region... works well
2014-11-20 23:39 <djphil> http://digigrids.no-ip.org:13000/jsonSimStats/?callback=
2014-11-20 23:39 <djphil> yes
2014-11-20 23:39 <djphil> my url return json
2014-11-20 23:39 <djphil> but our code can't read it proprely ...
2014-11-20 23:39 <djphil> or i have a error somewehre ..
2014-11-20 23:39 <BlueWall> ater the , is the function(data) ...
2014-11-20 23:40 <BlueWall> that should work if you have it enabled on your machine.
2014-11-20 23:40 <BlueWall> That one uses jsonp
2014-11-20 23:40 <djphil> my machine ? you mean my simulator ?
2014-11-20 23:41 <BlueWall> that guage uses jsonp
2014-11-20 23:41 <djphil> yes
2014-11-20 23:41 <BlueWall> the /?callback,function(data) ... should take care of it
2014-11-20 23:41 <djphil> jsonstats is enable in my ini
2014-11-20 23:42 <BlueWall> you can have an app that calls it with json to get back json data.
2014-11-20 23:42 <BlueWall> But calling from a web page needs jsonp and that script should do it.
2014-11-20 23:43 <djphil> yes, I hope that your code could do ...
2014-11-20 23:43 <djphil> but it does not ...
2014-11-20 23:44 <BlueWall> say you have aw python app runnign on a remote machine. It could pull that json data down and place it in those rrd databases we were talking about
2014-11-20 23:44 <djphil> it may be something changed in google api ... (http://www.google.com/jsapi)
2014-11-20 23:45 <BlueWall> Hmm, you may have to debug it with firebug and run the regin in a debugger. 
2014-11-20 23:45 <djphil> yes it could do this would already ... but if he could do what he is supposed to do with your script, I would be telling ^^
2014-11-20 23:45 <djphil> ha yes I could see that debug says
2014-11-20 23:46 <smxy> Anyway, I think RRD graphs of opensim stats would be pretty cool. That's my two cents and story and I'm sticking to it. :)
2014-11-20 23:46 <BlueWall> If I get a chance, I'll look at it. Right now I'm rebuilding my things and have no opensim running at all yet.
2014-11-20 23:46 <BlueWall> ++smxy
2014-11-20 23:46 <djphil> google debug sau :
2014-11-20 23:46 <djphil> Uncaught SyntaxError: Illegal return statement
2014-11-20 23:46 <djphil> (index):22 Uncaught TypeError: object is not a function
2014-11-20 23:47 <justincc> BlueWall: rebuilding your things?  Because of the suse issues?
2014-11-20 23:47 <BlueWall> yes
2014-11-20 23:47 <justincc> nasty
2014-11-20 23:47 <BlueWall> I reverted back to 13.1
2014-11-20 23:47 <smxy> You'll have to go to .2 eventually ...
2014-11-20 23:47 <BlueWall> And, I've had hardware crashses, so I have server/router/workstation all in one, which complicates things.
2014-11-20 23:48 <BlueWall> When they fix it, I'll be more than happy to. But, I've been dead in the water for more than two weeks now.
2014-11-20 23:49 <smxy> What's broken about it?
2014-11-20 23:49 <BlueWall> Not to mention having a project to setup a small personal grid for Cuteulala hosed by it too :/
2014-11-20 23:49 <BlueWall> It crashes to prompt within s short time
2014-11-20 23:50 <BlueWall> say, two hours or less.
2014-11-20 23:50 <smxy> without opensim running? Just the OS itself?
2014-11-20 23:50 <BlueWall> no, OpenSim
2014-11-20 23:50 <smxy> hmm
2014-11-20 23:50 <BlueWall> I tested on two different machines, two different mono (installed 3.8.0 and parallel 3.10.0)
2014-11-20 23:51 <BlueWall> stuff like this: http://pastebin.com/CSpkQ8wU
2014-11-20 23:51 <smxy> I was going to try it, since nebadon_laptop raves about Suse, but XenServer doesn't support 13.2 yet. Perhaps I'll wait abit longer. :)
2014-11-20 23:52 <BlueWall> def try it in a virtual machine before jumping into it.
2014-11-20 23:52 <smxy> Tha's the only way I'd ever run it anyway.
2014-11-20 23:52 <BlueWall> I should have known better, but I have never had an issue like this with SuSE
2014-11-20 23:54 <nebadon_laptop> it seems to be something specific to mono though
2014-11-20 23:54 <nebadon_laptop> because otherwise its fine
2014-11-20 23:54 <BlueWall> yes
2014-11-20 23:54 <nebadon_laptop> 13.1 is great though
2014-11-20 23:54 <BlueWall> yes, 13.1 was a rock
2014-11-20 23:56 <BlueWall> hah, I started my mail server here and I think a lost 2/3 of my emails from the past few days :/
2014-11-20 23:56 <smxy> ouch
2014-11-20 23:56 <AliciaRaven> thanks for the retweet justincc :)
2014-11-20 23:57 <justincc> AliciaRaven: yw
2014-11-20 23:57 <djphil> BlueWall : have you somewhere the original timer.js file ?
2014-11-20 23:58 <BlueWall> I really doubt it. 
2014-11-20 23:58 <djphil> I think it is the timer function that is not correct home ...
2014-11-20 23:58 <BlueWall> I gues it was a general purpose thing.
2014-11-20 23:58 <BlueWall> When I get my grid up hre, I'll try to take a look at it and update it.
2014-11-20 23:59 <djphil> ok ping me at this time
2014-11-21 00:00 <BlueWall> ok
2014-11-21 00:00 <djphil> ty
2014-11-21 00:00 <BlueDroidx> Yw
2014-11-21 00:01 <BlueDroidx> Going mobile it's time to eat
2014-11-21 00:03 <AliciaRaven> ty nebadon_laptop :)
2014-11-21 00:05 <smxy> Just shared that spellscpe link on g+ alicia :)
2014-11-21 00:05 <AliciaRaven> thanks smxy, im not on g+ yet myself lol
2014-11-21 00:06 <smxy> I don't have a huge following, but it boosts the signal  little ;)
2014-11-21 00:06 <smxy> a* little
2014-11-21 00:52 <BlueWall> smxy, I ended up making a directory '/team' using btrfs and acls. Will see how that goes. Thanks for the input yesterday.
2014-11-21 00:53 <BlueWall> It didn't make sense to put it in /usr/local /var or /opt
2014-11-21 00:56 <smxy> Sounds good. :)
2014-11-21 01:45 <AllenKerensky> OSG sort of news: http://forums.osgrid.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5287&p=25154#p25154
2014-11-21 01:47 <dahlia> AllenKerensky: cool. Nice to see some communication happening :)
2014-11-21 01:48 <AllenKerensky> As far as I've seen - "communication" has actually been the number one complaint during this calamitastrophe
2014-11-21 01:49 <AllenKerensky> tried making a list of all of the "channels" of communication that things get informally posted to... its... diverse
2014-11-21 01:49 <dahlia> ya I bet
2014-11-21 01:50 <justincc|2> yeah, I think people tend to forgive a lot if you have good comms at least
2014-11-21 01:51 <dahlia> sure. Look at all we forgive justincc for :) *ducks*
2014-11-21 01:51 <AllenKerensky> bwahaha
2014-11-21 01:51 <justincc> dahlia: heh
2014-11-21 02:03 <paulieflomar> Couldn't jumpt to plaza09.osgrid.org:14051 from Kitely. Is the region down right now?
2014-11-21 02:04 <justincc> nope, there right now
2014-11-21 02:04 <paulieflomar> hrm..
2014-11-21 02:05 <paulieflomar> I wonder what Kitely's prob is..
2014-11-21 02:05 <paulieflomar> Will keep tryin.
2014-11-21 02:08 <paulieflomar> Shows in map search on Kitely, but region doesnt show a tile on the map and cant TP..
2014-11-21 02:08 <paulieflomar> made it! whiio!
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2014-11-21 02:14 <paulieflomar> had to run to din but I'll be baaack!
2014-11-21 02:42 <justincc> hey nebadon_laptop, still around?
2014-11-21 02:45 <nebadon_laptop> hey justincc
2014-11-21 02:45 <nebadon_laptop> whats up
2014-11-21 02:45 <justincc> when you get a chance could you update to latest ghosts?  There should be no change but it would be good to make sure
2014-11-21 02:46 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-11-21 02:46 <justincc> I've also just reproduced the attachment loss bug with hg avatars with my own avatar so hopefully can make progress on that 
2014-11-21 02:46 <justincc> Which is the major remaining blocker to integrating
2014-11-21 02:47 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2014-11-21 02:47 <BlueWall> IS that because the data cannot be written for the attachment becuase only the suitcase is available?
2014-11-21 02:47 <justincc> I would be surprised if that's the case, I think this is a fairly recent bug
2014-11-21 02:48 <justincc> this kind of complete attachment loss on the second teleport of an hg av within a foreign grid
2014-11-21 02:48 <BlueWall> Ahh, ok. 
2014-11-21 02:48 <justincc> but can't say for sure.  I will find out soon either way
2014-11-21 02:48 <BlueWall> Cool, that will be a nice one to put behind.
2014-11-21 02:49 <justincc> ok, I need to go rest now.  goodnight folks
2014-11-21 02:50 <smxy> danbanner: ping
2014-11-21 02:50 <smxy> ^people are wanting you to come to lbsa :)
2014-11-21 03:37 <nebadon_laptop> diva there is definitely something very wierd with mesh and hypergrid
2014-11-21 03:38 <nebadon_laptop> having to clear cache alot whenever i hypergrid
2014-11-21 03:38 <nebadon_laptop> mesh turn into yellow pyramids
2014-11-21 03:38 <nebadon_laptop> seems only a cache clear can fix it
2014-11-21 03:43 <diva> I'm not sure it's HG. it may be because you're logged in with 2 accounts
2014-11-21 03:45 <nebadon_laptop> it seems to happen more when the same asset exists on the departure / arival regions
2014-11-21 03:45 <nebadon_laptop> like the trees 
2014-11-21 03:54 <nebadon_laptop> i can say for sure though
2014-11-21 03:55 <nebadon_laptop> it only ever happens when im hypergridding
2014-11-21 03:55 <nebadon_laptop> never experienced it when inside a grid
2014-11-21 03:55 <nebadon_laptop> even with 10 avatars
2014-11-21 03:56 <nebadon_laptop> also figured out another quirk
2014-11-21 03:57 <nebadon_laptop> you know when you transfer assets over HG and the perms are wierd
2014-11-21 03:57 <nebadon_laptop> like even god mode wont fix it
2014-11-21 03:58 <nebadon_laptop> if you edit the object and go to the general tab, and toggle copy either on or off and back to on then go to the content tab hit the permissions button and apply, it will fix it
2014-11-21 03:58 <nebadon_laptop> it must reset flags or something
2014-11-21 03:59 <smxy> you dig up the weirdest shit, nebadon_laptop :)
2014-11-21 03:59 <nebadon_laptop> lol i kno
2014-11-21 04:00 <nebadon_laptop> 
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2014-11-21 04:14 <diva> how come in the chat no viewer highlights the references to our own name?
2014-11-21 04:14 <diva> like i the IRC
2014-11-21 04:14 <diva> is there any viewer that does that?
2014-11-21 04:18 <dahlia> I'd like that, and also tab completion
2014-11-21 04:19 <dahlia> but ppl seem to misspell my name a lot in viewer chat
2014-11-21 04:20 <LiruCookies> diva: Preferences->Adv. Chat->Text options, bottom
2014-11-21 04:20 <LiruCookies> Keywords section
2014-11-21 04:22 <diva> oh wow, Liru
2014-11-21 04:22 <LiruCookies> I didn't make that, I think it was Tigh MacFanatic who did, but I've crossed the code a lot.
2014-11-21 04:22 <diva> that's great, but that stuff needs to be more visible. It's so useful
2014-11-21 04:24 <diva> it works too :)
2014-11-21 04:25 <diva> really that should be right on the first screen of chat preferences
2014-11-21 11:12 <zadark> This could be of interest to Mac users http://blogs.msdn.com/b/uk_faculty_connection/archive/2014/11/19/are-you-a-mac-user-who-wants-to-use-visual-studio-and-build-net-applications.aspx
2014-11-21 11:13 <zadark> And Linux for that matter..
2014-11-21 13:08 <dahlia> zadark: I can't wait to ditch mono :D
2014-11-21 16:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #3883 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-21 17:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3883: SUCCESS in 8 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3883/
2014-11-21 17:04 <osjenkins> diva: Cleanup extraneous comments from viewer support modules
2014-11-21 20:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #3884 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-21 20:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3884: SUCCESS in 4 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3884/
2014-11-21 20:47 <osjenkins> justincc: When logging reigon information returned by GateKeeperService.GetHyperlinkRegion, log the return server URL returned.
2014-11-21 21:36 <justincc> hey nebadon_laptop
2014-11-21 21:47 <nebadon_laptop> hey
2014-11-21 21:47 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: ok, I've now fixed the hg attachments bug if you want to update at some point.  It was in ghosts branch only
2014-11-21 21:48 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-11-21 21:48 <nebadon_laptop> updating now
2014-11-21 21:48 <dahlia> justincc: are you merging ghosts goodies into master?
2014-11-21 21:49 <justincc> dahlia: probably next tuesday.  I want to be able to deal with any problems that come up and I'm away at a wedding over the weekend and monday
2014-11-21 21:49 <justincc> I also need to think what to do about the adaptive throttles stuff - that really caused us issues on the conference until we disabled it
2014-11-21 21:49 <dahlia> kk have fun
2014-11-21 21:49 <justincc> I suspect it causes other people issues like that too
2014-11-21 21:50 <dahlia> UDP throttles?
2014-11-21 21:50 <justincc> yes
2014-11-21 21:50 <dahlia> me no want 
2014-11-21 21:51 <justincc> there is an adpative throttle that automatically cuts rates if we dont' receive acks of reliably sent packets.  But under conference loads we would get batches of those which would kill a connection
2014-11-21 21:51 <dahlia> I dont have 100 avatars in a region ;)
2014-11-21 21:51 <justincc> as the rates are halved on every non-receipt
2014-11-21 21:51 <dahlia> that seems extremely aggressive
2014-11-21 21:51 <justincc> yeah, turning it off was the stopgap solution, though we also imposed absolute limits on both client and total region bandwidth
2014-11-21 21:52 <justincc> yes, I need to go back and look at the discussion of this to see if we can only cut by a percentage, etc.
2014-11-21 21:52 <justincc> need to talk to Mic about that too
2014-11-21 21:52 <dahlia> I'd imagine any network glitch would stop all output
2014-11-21 21:52 <justincc> yeah, it would kill everybody's throttles
2014-11-21 21:53 <dahlia> I'd think something like 10% loss, then half it
2014-11-21 21:53 <justincc> halving does seem way too aggressive, but knowing Mic is based on some well tried algorithm
2014-11-21 21:53 <justincc> need to research
2014-11-21 21:53 <dahlia> via a moving average
2014-11-21 21:54 <dahlia> ya I have a similar issue with automatic draw distance adjustment in my webgl viewer. It's very difficult to tune and not bork things up
2014-11-21 21:54 <justincc> 
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2014-11-21 21:55 <nebadon_laptop> keynotes and staff zone are updated
2014-11-21 21:55 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: ok thanks
2014-11-21 22:00 <nebadon_laptop> seems to be working
2014-11-21 22:01 <justincc> dinner time
2014-11-21 22:18 <dahlia> so I have several instances running on a linux box and I use screen to run them. Occasionally one has a mono crash and the screen window gets stuck (I think maybe in gdb?) and I end up having to kill all mono processes to free it up. Anyone seen anything like that and know how to get out of it?  ctrl-c or ctrl-z dont seem to do anything
2014-11-21 22:21 <dahlia> what I'm trying now is starting the region with mono --server OpenSim.exe --nameOfRegion  so I can see which instance it is with ps
2014-11-21 22:32 <AllenKerensky> yeah that's happened from time to time - the crashes are generally native code libthread type stuff
2014-11-21 22:32 <AllenKerensky> and gdb gets in there and gets wedged
2014-11-21 22:33 <AllenKerensky> CTRL-Z kill usually works for me - not sure why its not for you unless there's some screen or other trickeryfoo
2014-11-21 22:33 <AllenKerensky> you could also use a region named wrapper script to launch
2014-11-21 22:34 <AllenKerensky> then you could get the PID of the region script and find the mono that has it as a parent
2014-11-21 22:34 <AllenKerensky> or use the opensim pid config item to just write the region name into the pidfile and kill by that
2014-11-21 22:37 <diva> Melanie_T, justinccAfk: some time ago I made a robust-bound service and corresponding connector for estates. I have it deployed in the Encitra grid. I realize I never actually put this in core. Is this something ppl are interested? This supports centralized estate management
2014-11-21 22:40 <BlueWall> diva, sounds useful ++ from me
2014-11-21 22:42 <dahlia> AllenKerensky: ya ctrl-z gets trapped somehow. Screen has a way to kill the window but it leaves something running as a zombie or something. Seems adding --nameOfRegion to the command line makes it visible in ps so I can know what to kill
2014-11-21 22:44 <dahlia> diva: would that mean estates with the same name would be common across a grid?
2014-11-21 22:45 <diva> I think the key is on estate id
2014-11-21 22:45 <diva> but yes
2014-11-21 22:45 <dahlia> is that common now?
2014-11-21 22:45 <dahlia> ah ok
2014-11-21 22:46 <diva> yes, meaning regions in different servers can belong to the same estate
2014-11-21 22:47 <dahlia> I'd think that would be desirable but I'm not much of an estate feature user ;)
2014-11-21 22:48 <diva> estates play an important role in access control
2014-11-21 22:48 <dahlia> ya like banning greifers?
2014-11-21 22:50 <misterblue> estates are grid wide. The estate service would go alongside the grid asset service, login service, ...
2014-11-21 22:50 <diva> possibly, although that's not my angle. My angle is figuring out where people can and can't go
2014-11-21 22:51 <diva> misterblue, yes
2014-11-21 22:51 <BlueWall> It would be nice to extend it to have default login/landing region per-estate
2014-11-21 22:51 <diva> for some reason that never happened in core. But I did it for Encitra, and can share
2014-11-21 22:51 <AllenKerensky> would be a nifty xmas present, IMO, diva
2014-11-21 22:52 <misterblue> Mel is the one who pushed back to estate services in core
2014-11-21 23:01 <Melanie_T> core already has a peer-to-peer based system to do that
2014-11-21 23:01 <Melanie_T> i don't know if it fully works
2014-11-21 23:01 <diva> ?
2014-11-21 23:01 <Melanie_T> avination uses it
2014-11-21 23:01 <Melanie_T> but
2014-11-21 23:01 <diva> p2p?
2014-11-21 23:02 <Melanie_T> it requires that all members of the estate are on the same mysql
2014-11-21 23:02 <Melanie_T> or can access a shared one
2014-11-21 23:02 <Melanie_T> that should not be an issue
2014-11-21 23:02 <diva> right. That's exactly what I don't want
2014-11-21 23:02 <Melanie_T> because estates would not span operators in grids like osgrid
2014-11-21 23:02 <diva> I needed estates to be centralized on the same mysql server
2014-11-21 23:02 <diva> so I have done that
2014-11-21 23:03 <Melanie_T> the current system works by a sim writing new estate data
2014-11-21 23:03 <Melanie_T> then singalling it's peers that data has changed
2014-11-21 23:03 <Melanie_T> causing them to reread it
2014-11-21 23:03 <Melanie_T> what was your objection to a shared mysql server?
2014-11-21 23:03 <diva> shared? I have a shared (central) mysql server for managing estates
2014-11-21 23:04 <Melanie_T> that is what the core system has
2014-11-21 23:04 <diva> I dn't want pieces of estate info on different servers
2014-11-21 23:04 <diva> nope
2014-11-21 23:04 <Melanie_T> oh dear i think you reinvented the wheel
2014-11-21 23:04 <Melanie_T> just different spokes
2014-11-21 23:04 <diva> ?
2014-11-21 23:05 <Melanie_T> in core, you can tell the regions (via opensim.ini) to access a different mysql server from the local one for estate stuff
2014-11-21 23:05 <diva> the thing in core doesn't have the robust-bound service
2014-11-21 23:05 <diva> I don't want to open the mysql port to other machines
2014-11-21 23:05 <AliciaRaven> we have the estates set with the grid mysql to keep them all on one db
2014-11-21 23:05 <Melanie_T> ok, so there is a reason
2014-11-21 23:05 <Melanie_T> but why?
2014-11-21 23:05 <Melanie_T> do you have untrusted servers that run in your grod?
2014-11-21 23:05 <Melanie_T> grid*
2014-11-21 23:05 <diva> security constraint. mysql in our grid is only accessible in localhost
2014-11-21 23:06 <Melanie_T> well, using what core has now, you'd have to allow certain ip lists
2014-11-21 23:06 <Melanie_T> which is still secure
2014-11-21 23:06 <diva> right. The same is true about all services in robust
2014-11-21 23:06 <diva> you could get rid of robust almost entirely
2014-11-21 23:06 <Melanie_T> your solution is welcome as long as it doesn't break what is there and is being used
2014-11-21 23:06 <Melanie_T> and no, you can't
2014-11-21 23:07 <Melanie_T> robust services have some smarts of their own
2014-11-21 23:07 <Melanie_T> yes, some are pure storage
2014-11-21 23:07 <Melanie_T> but many do things
2014-11-21 23:07 <Melanie_T> like the hg ones and login
2014-11-21 23:07 <Melanie_T> and the grid service
2014-11-21 23:07 <diva> "almost" :)
2014-11-21 23:07 <Melanie_T> inventory could be replaced by direct db accesses
2014-11-21 23:07 <Melanie_T> for assets that is not feasible
2014-11-21 23:08 <Melanie_T> but thay could easily be handled by an apache
2014-11-21 23:08 <Melanie_T> but most others have some level of smarts
2014-11-21 23:08 <Melanie_T> if such an estate server had, for instance, the smarts to tell other estate members: heh, this and that data has changed
2014-11-21 23:08 <Melanie_T> so they can reload it while running
2014-11-21 23:09 <Melanie_T> that is smarts beyond central storage
2014-11-21 23:09 <Melanie_T> the portion that current code does p2p
2014-11-21 23:09 <diva> yes, that works well
2014-11-21 23:09 <Melanie_T> hos does it contact the members?
2014-11-21 23:09 <diva> but I don't want to mae mysql accessible
2014-11-21 23:09 <Melanie_T> do you have the robust calling out to sims?
2014-11-21 23:10 <Melanie_T> or is that polling based?
2014-11-21 23:10 <diva> when things change?
2014-11-21 23:10 <Melanie_T> ye
2014-11-21 23:10 <diva> I don't remember, let me see
2014-11-21 23:12 <diva> I guess the p2p portion is the same. That's a sim behavior, doesn't change
2014-11-21 23:12 <Melanie_T> so your robust is a pure storage service then?
2014-11-21 23:12 <diva> yes pretty much
2014-11-21 23:12 <diva> it's there so I don't open the mysql port, and I can manage estates from Wifi
2014-11-21 23:13 <Melanie_T> what is your issue with oepning the mysql port to selected systems in your own network?
2014-11-21 23:13 <Melanie_T> it's not like it's open to the world
2014-11-21 23:13 <Melanie_T> the c# httpd probably has more exploits than mysq;
2014-11-21 23:14 <diva> too much managemet overhead! we add servers often
2014-11-21 23:15 <Melanie_T> you have to firewall the robust the same way you'd have to firewall the mysql
2014-11-21 23:15 <Melanie_T> from where i stand it seems like it's no different
2014-11-21 23:16 <diva> I like to use the robust services, they work very well, it's all consistent. I don't want to do something different for estates than I do for inventory, presence, grid, etc ,etc
2014-11-21 23:17 <Melanie_T> so it's a preference then
2014-11-21 23:18 <diva> for consistentcy, yes :)
2014-11-21 23:18 <Melanie_T> how did you hook this up simside?
2014-11-21 23:18 <diva> EstateServiceURL
2014-11-21 23:18 <diva> like inventory, presence, grid, etc
2014-11-21 23:18 <Melanie_T> i meant, how did you hook it up
2014-11-21 23:18 <diva> what do you mean?
2014-11-21 23:19 <Melanie_T> the data is currently read from a database connector
2014-11-21 23:19 <diva> i wrote a network connector
2014-11-21 23:19 <Melanie_T> where did you make the changes to access your server, rather than the estate tables?
2014-11-21 23:19 <Melanie_T> well, that wouldn't be used unless you made sweeping changes in the estate module and scene
2014-11-21 23:19 <Melanie_T> in regioninfo
2014-11-21 23:19 <diva> there are no changes whatsoever in core
2014-11-21 23:19 <Melanie_T> and a good number of other places
2014-11-21 23:19 <diva> what?
2014-11-21 23:20 <diva> I wrote the robust server connector and the network connector, that's all
2014-11-21 23:20 <Melanie_T> the estate stuff is read into RegionInfo.EstateSettings at region start
2014-11-21 23:20 <Melanie_T> that is read from local connectors
2014-11-21 23:20 <Melanie_T> what i mean is
2014-11-21 23:20 <Melanie_T> something has to actually use the network connector, right?
2014-11-21 23:22 <diva> yes, the configuration
2014-11-21 23:22 <Melanie_T> i don't understand what you did to make it be used
2014-11-21 23:22 <Melanie_T> but if you say there are no core changes for it to work
2014-11-21 23:22 <Melanie_T> then just drop it in
2014-11-21 23:23 <Melanie_T> it's yet another option for people to use then
2014-11-21 23:23 <diva> geez, I'm trying to remember... it's been a while since I did this
2014-11-21 23:23 <Melanie_T> as long as stuff people actually use now won't break by that
2014-11-21 23:23 <Melanie_T> i know there is only one nonintrusive way i could imagine to do this
2014-11-21 23:24 <Melanie_T> and that is to provide IEstateStorage (or whatever it's called) and pretend to be a database module
2014-11-21 23:25 <diva> ah-ha! I found it
2014-11-21 23:25 <diva> I made one small change in opensim core that basically allows to do what you just described
2014-11-21 23:26 <diva> this:
2014-11-21 23:26 <diva>             module = Util.GetConfigVarFromSections<string>(Config, "LocalServiceModule", new string[]{"EstateDataStore", "EstateService"}, String.Empty); 
2014-11-21 23:26 <diva> so EstateService trumps EstateDataStore
2014-11-21 23:26 <Melanie_T> i thought that already existed anyway
2014-11-21 23:26 <diva> and in EstateService I have the config for accessing the EstateServiceURL and using the connector
2014-11-21 23:27 <Melanie_T> the database modules can be selected by configuration anyway, even separately
2014-11-21 23:27 <Melanie_T> you invented the DatabaseService to unify that
2014-11-21 23:27 <Melanie_T> aahh
2014-11-21 23:27 <Melanie_T> ok
2014-11-21 23:27 <Melanie_T> yes you can select mysql or sqlite for the simualtion data store
2014-11-21 23:27 <Melanie_T> but that is prins and estate both
2014-11-21 23:27 <Melanie_T> then you just get different connect strings
2014-11-21 23:28 <Melanie_T> your approach is not the best, emaning, not the least intrusive
2014-11-21 23:28 <Melanie_T> the least intrusive, architecture-wise, is more coplex in code, though
2014-11-21 23:28 <Melanie_T> and i don't think this does harm
2014-11-21 23:28 <Melanie_T> especially if documented
2014-11-21 23:29 <Melanie_T> and you're the best at documenting of our whole bunch
2014-11-21 23:29 <Melanie_T> at least of those who i have seen doc from so far
2014-11-21 23:29 <diva> and then in the EstateService config I have somethin glike this:
2014-11-21 23:29 <diva> [EstateService]
2014-11-21 23:29 <diva> LocalServiceModule = "Diva.Misc.dll:EstateDataRemoteConnector"
2014-11-21 23:29 <diva> EstateServerURI = "http://home.xxxgrid.com:8003"
2014-11-21 23:30 <diva> so that's the network connector
2014-11-21 23:30 <Melanie_T> yes
2014-11-21 23:30 <Melanie_T> it's similar to what i would have done
2014-11-21 23:30 <Melanie_T> and once i see it in it's entirety, it may be better than my snap guess at a solution
2014-11-21 23:32 <diva> ok, I'll wait for justincc to have his say
2014-11-21 23:34 <Melanie_T> ok
2014-11-21 23:34 <Melanie_T> you can count me favor anyway
2014-11-21 23:34 <Melanie_T> me in favor*
2014-11-21 23:34 <diva> ok
2014-11-22 00:07 <justinccAfk> diva: how would this work with the current estates commands?  If you type "shelp estaes" you will see them, where these commands are avialable from any console.
2014-11-22 00:08 <diva> where is that help hanging from? let me check
2014-11-22 00:09 <diva> it does't seem to be in the database connector
2014-11-22 00:10 <diva> oh straight in OpenSim.cs
2014-11-22 00:10 <diva> yike
2014-11-22 00:10 <diva> :)
2014-11-22 00:10 <diva> that wouldn't change
2014-11-22 00:11 <justincc> diva: yeah, mainly there though there's an "estate show" command in EstateMangementCommands.cs
2014-11-22 00:11 <diva> same; wouldn't change
2014-11-22 00:12 <justincc> diva: so one would still be able to do stuff like change estate name from any region?  I'm neutral on that.
2014-11-22 00:12 <nebadon_laptop> can you change the estate name?
2014-11-22 00:12 <justincc> yeah, I suspect they are there because of the poor plugin architecture for stuff off regios
2014-11-22 00:12 <nebadon_laptop> without database diving?
2014-11-22 00:12 <diva> yes. I don't have any restrictions on the network connector
2014-11-22 00:12 <Melanie_T> justincc: her work would not impact that
2014-11-22 00:12 <justincc> having so much of the module stuff scene oriented is a real pain in some situations
2014-11-22 00:13 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: yes, should be able to
2014-11-22 00:13 <Melanie_T> diva's solution is functionally identical to what we have
2014-11-22 00:13 <justincc> diva: but you would add management commands to the robust service as well?
2014-11-22 00:13 <Melanie_T> it merely changes the path to access the tables, but not the tables themselves or the estate channel
2014-11-22 00:14 <diva> actually, I do have a restriction, although if ppl want it can be lifted. I don't create estates from regions
2014-11-22 00:14 <diva> I also don't delete
2014-11-22 00:14 <Melanie_T> diva: but core does that part - did you restrict it in the connector?
2014-11-22 00:14 <diva> yes
2014-11-22 00:14 <Melanie_T> any reason why?
2014-11-22 00:15 <BlueWall> creating an estate/estate owner in first-run of a region is very useful
2014-11-22 00:16 <diva> In my use case, all estate management is centralized, so no need to provide that at the sims. I assume the use cases for this services will be similar. If you have decentralized estates (osgrid, for example), you might as well stick to what core currently does
2014-11-22 00:16 <Melanie_T> well, sim hosters may appreciate your work
2014-11-22 00:16 <diva> which will not be prevented
2014-11-22 00:16 <smxy> Does this still allow the estate tables to be in a separate DB of their own?
2014-11-22 00:16 <Melanie_T> osgrid will not and should not have that estate server
2014-11-22 00:16 <diva> yes
2014-11-22 00:16 <justincc> I think allowing create would be simplest, as it wouldnt' require any of the questios asked by a simulator when creating a region to change
2014-11-22 00:16 <Melanie_T> but a hoster who runs multiple hosts may want to point all of his hosts at one of these
2014-11-22 00:16 <justincc> otherwise one has to account for the fact that one can't create a new estate on initial region creation
2014-11-22 00:17 <Melanie_T> estates will remain in a trust bubble one way or the other
2014-11-22 00:17 <Melanie_T> so these restrictions limit the usefulness of the service without any security gained
2014-11-22 00:17 <Melanie_T> i'm for removal of the restrictions entirely
2014-11-22 00:17 <Melanie_T> they serve no discernible purpose
2014-11-22 00:18 <justincc> what restrictions?
2014-11-22 00:18 <diva> yeah, thats not a big deal
2014-11-22 00:18 <Melanie_T> justincc, BlueWall: a new install would likely not use an estate server unless the person knows what they're doing
2014-11-22 00:18 <Melanie_T> so the impact is small but still is noticeable
2014-11-22 00:18 <diva> justincc in my current network connector I have this:
2014-11-22 00:18 <diva>         public EstateSettings CreateNewEstate()
2014-11-22 00:18 <diva>         {
2014-11-22 00:18 <diva>             return null;
2014-11-22 00:18 <diva>         }
2014-11-22 00:18 <Melanie_T> justincc: the restrictions diva put into the connector
2014-11-22 00:19 <diva> that can easily be changed
2014-11-22 00:19 <diva> I just didn't need it
2014-11-22 00:19 <justincc> Melanie_T: if it makes those questions become invalid then either there needs to be extra logic to change the questions if one cant create regions
2014-11-22 00:19 <justincc> er, estates sorry
2014-11-22 00:19 <Melanie_T> justincc: that is why i am for removing the restrictions
2014-11-22 00:19 <Melanie_T> so the questiions still work
2014-11-22 00:19 <justincc> right, sounds fine to me
2014-11-22 00:19 <Melanie_T> even in a distributed setup
2014-11-22 00:20 <Melanie_T> that way it's functionally equivalent
2014-11-22 00:20 <BlueWall> I have not used a database per-instance, but I assume that it would play out the same - the startup.
2014-11-22 00:20 <justincc> diva: does this introduce new estate commands on the service?
2014-11-22 00:20 <Melanie_T> i didn't know diva had put those in when i spoke to her earlier
2014-11-22 00:20 <diva> yes. This configuration really only makes sense for grids with central control
2014-11-22 00:20 <Melanie_T> she didn't mention
2014-11-22 00:20 <diva> justincc: no new commands
2014-11-22 00:20 <Melanie_T> diva: it also makes sense for subgrids of larger grids but as i said, the fact of a trust bubble remains
2014-11-22 00:20 <justincc> diva: so you do estate stuff in the database directly?
2014-11-22 00:20 <smxy> How did you make new estates then?
2014-11-22 00:20 <diva> smxy I have an estate management addon to Wifi
2014-11-22 00:21 <justincc> we didn't have any estate commands for a long time, they are a reliatively new addition
2014-11-22 00:21 <smxy> ah
2014-11-22 00:21 <justincc> ah ok
2014-11-22 00:21 <Melanie_T> justincc: the region level estate commands would work through this still
2014-11-22 00:21 <diva> yes
2014-11-22 00:21 <Melanie_T> one could add the same ones on the server quite easily as well
2014-11-22 00:21 <BlueWall> diva, does it expose an api taht would be useful for other web apps?
2014-11-22 00:21 <justincc> Melanie_T: yes.  Seems a bit odd to do it from regions when stuff is centralized but as that's where the comands are already, I guess that's just how it is
2014-11-22 00:21 <Melanie_T> as i said, that code can be C&P'd to the server
2014-11-22 00:22 <justincc> if that happens then there' s massive pain on standalone where commands are available everywhere
2014-11-22 00:22 <Melanie_T> no
2014-11-22 00:22 <justincc> "show regions" is fscked up atm, for instance, which is an unresolved issue
2014-11-22 00:22 <Melanie_T> i do see this becoming the default chain for standalone
2014-11-22 00:22 <Melanie_T> it plugs like like all the other stuff
2014-11-22 00:23 <Melanie_T> so you can plug a local handler with locel database backend into a region
2014-11-22 00:23 <Melanie_T> to make it standalone
2014-11-22 00:23 <Melanie_T> the old code paths can probably be removed as these are functionally equivalent
2014-11-22 00:23 <Melanie_T> the commands moved into the handler
2014-11-22 00:23 <Melanie_T> as they are for other services'which means standalones have them on the region console
2014-11-22 00:23 <Melanie_T> and grids on the robust
2014-11-22 00:24 <justincc> no, because the commands are local and remote
2014-11-22 00:24 <justincc> if you add commands to the service
2014-11-22 00:24 <Melanie_T> if this is rearchitected to use the service even instandalone
2014-11-22 00:24 <Melanie_T> like everything else is
2014-11-22 00:24 <Melanie_T> then the service's command are on the region console instandalone
2014-11-22 00:24 <Melanie_T> that automatic
2014-11-22 00:25 <Melanie_T> that's*
2014-11-22 00:25 <Melanie_T> everything else works that way
2014-11-22 00:25 <Melanie_T> estate has been different than all others for a long time
2014-11-22 00:25 <Melanie_T> diva's work brings it almost in line with our other connectors
2014-11-22 00:28 <justincc> well no, because there is no easy way to control whether a set of commands is present or not on standalone
2014-11-22 00:28 <justincc> anyway, I'm sure it will all come out in the wash
2014-11-22 00:29 <justincc> it doesn't matter much if diva has no estate commands implemented anyway
2014-11-22 00:30 <smxy> diva: I build and use Wifi, but I don't see an estate management menu. I guess this add-on is separate from your main git repo, and is private? Or am I just blind? Or maybe just not current with the code ...
2014-11-22 00:30 <Melanie_T> justincc: the framework handles this. ALL commands from ALL server modles are automatically on the standalone console
2014-11-22 00:30 <Melanie_T> only the network specific stuff in the remote connectors where it's present, is not there
2014-11-22 00:30 <justincc> Melanie_T: yes, and if you are trying to have commands also on regions in grid mode, there's no easy way to mask them out on standalone
2014-11-22 00:31 <justincc> which is why "show regions" is screwed up on standalone - it executes both the commadn defined simulator side and the one service side
2014-11-22 00:31 <Melanie_T> yes - but these commands should not be on regions in grid mode
2014-11-22 00:31 <Melanie_T> for security and admin reasons
2014-11-22 00:31 <justincc> well, for estates they are, and clearly will remain so
2014-11-22 00:32 <Melanie_T> i see. had wondered what the fsckup on show regions was
2014-11-22 00:32 <Melanie_T> anyway, the architecture covers this neatl, it's just not followed
2014-11-22 00:33 <Melanie_T> show regions should be implemented on the region service HANDLER, not the service
2014-11-22 00:33 <Melanie_T> commands implemented on a handler are only there in grid mode
2014-11-22 00:33 <Melanie_T> putting that on the handler gives robust the command
2014-11-22 00:33 <Melanie_T> but doesn't add it when in stanalone
2014-11-22 00:33 <justincc> Melanie_T: on standalone you want both sets of informatin
2014-11-22 00:33 <justincc> you do not want one command or the other simply not to be present
2014-11-22 00:33 <Melanie_T> how so?
2014-11-22 00:33 <Melanie_T> in standalone, there is no "grid" show regions
2014-11-22 00:34 <Melanie_T> as there is no grid
2014-11-22 00:34 <Melanie_T> so what you do is implement show regions on the simulator, for the simulator
2014-11-22 00:34 <Melanie_T> and on the handler for the grid service
2014-11-22 00:34 <Melanie_T> so robust gives you the gridwide
2014-11-22 00:34 <Melanie_T> and region console the simulater info
2014-11-22 00:35 <Melanie_T> show regions on a simulator in a grid never did list all regions in the grid and shouldn't
2014-11-22 00:35 <Melanie_T> consider grids with 500+ regions, oh my!
2014-11-22 00:35 <justincc> on sim side you want to show information about whether a sim is ready to receive logins or not.  On service side you need to show information about hyperlinked regions, etc.
2014-11-22 00:36 <justincc> on standalone you need information from both sources
2014-11-22 00:36 <Melanie_T> yes. the architecture does that seamlessly when used properly
2014-11-22 00:37 <Melanie_T> the "local" gird stuff on gridded sims doesn't hold HG info
2014-11-22 00:37 <Melanie_T> on standalones it does
2014-11-22 00:37 <justincc> you are consulting two different sets of data
2014-11-22 00:37 <Melanie_T> so, you just go and make the simside command to list this from the local data if present
2014-11-22 00:37 <justincc> the architecture does not make it at all easy to bridge that
2014-11-22 00:37 <Melanie_T> in grid mode it never will be, so doesn't get listed
2014-11-22 00:38 <Melanie_T> it's quite easy when building a little used part of the architecture
2014-11-22 00:38 <Melanie_T> see
2014-11-22 00:38 <Melanie_T> we use, for instance, Scene.AssetService for assets
2014-11-22 00:38 <Melanie_T> but it wasn't designed to be used that way
2014-11-22 00:38 <Melanie_T> it was designed to be used as
2014-11-22 00:38 <Melanie_T> using (IAssetService assets = new AssetService) { ...
2014-11-22 00:39 <Melanie_T> so see
2014-11-22 00:39 <Melanie_T> your local module can instantiate the needed service to check for hg linked data
2014-11-22 00:39 <Melanie_T> you don't need a chain of refs to reach the existing one
2014-11-22 00:39 <Melanie_T> since all instances of a service are the same
2014-11-22 00:40 <Melanie_T> we use the central services on scene because it's less churn and more efficient
2014-11-22 00:40 <Melanie_T> but something as infrequently used as a command can well instantiate it's own copy to check it
2014-11-22 00:43 <justincc> ok, I'll look at that approach when I'm next in the area.
2014-11-22 00:43 <diva> sory, had to step away. Once the create and delete functions go through the network connector, absolutely nothing changes functionally
2014-11-22 00:43 <justincc> diva: cool, siounds good to me then
2014-11-22 00:44 <justincc> diva: out of interest, where do you regions store the simulation data?
2014-11-22 00:45 <diva> locally in their own servers
2014-11-22 00:45 <justincc> their own mysql instances?
2014-11-22 00:45 <diva> you mean prims and stuff, yes?
2014-11-22 00:46 <justincc> ok, was interested since another occasional tactic is to store them in the same db.  
2014-11-22 00:46 <justincc> But I imagine if you want regions not to access a central mysql db you wouldn't do that
2014-11-22 00:46 <OtakuMegane>  /join #osgrid
2014-11-22 00:46 <smxy> diva: I build and use Wifi, but I don't see an estate management menu. Is this add-on private & separate from your main git repo? Or am I just blind? Or maybe just not current with the code ...
2014-11-22 00:47 <diva> smxy, not available in the public wifi
2014-11-22 00:47 <diva> it's an addon
2014-11-22 00:47 <smxy> ok, thanks
2014-11-22 00:47 <diva> justincc I don't really need centralized management of prims
2014-11-22 00:47 <BlueWall> does it expose and api for web apps?
2014-11-22 00:48 <diva> BlueWall, yes. You can write plugins for Wifi
2014-11-22 00:48 <diva> to do more stuff
2014-11-22 00:48 <BlueWall> ++nice
2014-11-22 00:48 <justincc> diva: I think one reason for it is that it's simpler to backup a single db than one per simulator
2014-11-22 00:48 <diva> it's also a central point of failure...
2014-11-22 00:48 <diva> it would be a gigantic DB
2014-11-22 00:48 <justincc> not if it doesn't contain assets
2014-11-22 00:48 <justincc> unless ou have a humungous number of regions I guess :)
2014-11-22 00:49 <diva> you have a fair amount of regions by now
2014-11-22 00:49 <justincc> also might make it easier to switch running regions between servers
2014-11-22 00:49 <justincc> but I imagine with a virtualized approach that's easy enough as well with one db per sim
2014-11-22 00:49 <diva> it's easy to do backups locally and dmp them to backup mounts
2014-11-22 00:49 <Melanie_T> sharing a db for prims across hosts fails when you reach about 150 regions
2014-11-22 00:50 <justincc> how so?
2014-11-22 00:50 <Melanie_T> database and network speed make the region misbehave when building
2014-11-22 00:50 <justincc> just traffic updates/writing new entries?
2014-11-22 00:50 <justincc> ok
2014-11-22 00:50 <Melanie_T> the handler thread needs to wait for the db access to complete
2014-11-22 00:50 <diva> I also have a funky configurtation for assets
2014-11-22 00:51 <Melanie_T> and that can take multiple seconds on operations like unlink
2014-11-22 00:51 <diva> unorthodox assets P)
2014-11-22 00:51 <justincc> diva: ah yes, I remember
2014-11-22 00:52 <diva> each area has their own asset server
2014-11-22 00:52 <Melanie_T> how does that deal with items being carried around?
2014-11-22 00:52 <diva> and users have an asset server too
2014-11-22 00:53 <diva> so bringing an asset into inventory makes a copy of the asset in the users' asset server (HG style)
2014-11-22 00:53 <diva> and vice-versa
2014-11-22 00:55 <diva> I have a redirect too, just in case assets aren't found locally, the local asset server redirects the request to the users asset server
2014-11-22 00:56 <Melanie_T> what is the reason for this architecture? is it for performance or so you can clean areas if they go away entirely?
2014-11-22 00:56 <diva> we didn't want to have to deal with one single massive asset storage...
2014-11-22 00:57 <diva> and to distribute the trash too
2014-11-22 00:57 <diva> this way lots of assets that are created during building, etc stay local
2014-11-22 00:58 <nebadon_laptop> I didnt want to repeat the mistakes of OSgrid
2014-11-22 00:58 <nebadon_laptop> hehe
2014-11-22 00:58 <diva> and I'm seriously considering separating nebadon's inventory assets into its own server... 
2014-11-22 00:59 <nebadon_laptop> my inventory there is pretty small so far
2014-11-22 00:59 <nebadon_laptop> im sure it will grow considerably though in time
2014-11-22 00:59 <justincc> would be an interesting strategy for osgrid, though
2014-11-22 01:00 <justincc> and give people copies ot their own assets
2014-11-22 01:00 <diva> afk walking the dog
2014-11-22 01:00 <justincc> in fact, I guess one could do it without any osgrid changes
2014-11-22 01:02 <nebadon_laptop> you can but your assets are unavailable else where
2014-11-22 01:02 <nebadon_laptop> just run HG grid yourself if you want your own assets
2014-11-22 01:02 <nebadon_laptop> heh
2014-11-22 01:02 <nebadon_laptop> hopefully we can make HG a lot better
2014-11-22 01:02 <justincc> no, I believe in diva scheme they just get copied over when you put the scene objec tinto inventory
2014-11-22 01:02 <nebadon_laptop> and educate people better on how to use HG
2014-11-22 01:02 <justincc> but yeah, you could just do hg instead :)
2014-11-22 01:03 <nebadon_laptop> and not rely on a central service
2014-11-22 01:04 <justincc> that's precisely what osgrid encourages people to do, rely on a central service(s) ;)
2014-11-22 01:04 <justincc> not explicitly but implicitly
2014-11-22 01:05 <nebadon_laptop> ya I am not saying that will go away
2014-11-22 01:05 <nebadon_laptop> but the better HG gets the less depentant on any single central service will lessen
2014-11-22 01:06 <nebadon_laptop> err botched that heh
2014-11-22 01:06 <nebadon_laptop> OSgrid will continue to play an important role too
2014-11-22 01:06 <nebadon_laptop> I still find HG a bit painful myself
2014-11-22 01:06 <justincc> in what way?
2014-11-22 01:07 <nebadon_laptop> passing content is painful
2014-11-22 01:07 <nebadon_laptop> permissions break a lot
2014-11-22 01:07 <nebadon_laptop> there is definitely some kind of mesh bug with HG
2014-11-22 01:07 <nebadon_laptop> viewer cache gets corrupted
2014-11-22 01:07 <nebadon_laptop> seems to be something with assets existing in both locations, the departure region and destination region
2014-11-22 01:07 <nebadon_laptop> you see yellow pyramids and only a cache clear fixes i
2014-11-22 01:07 <nebadon_laptop> it*
2014-11-22 01:08 <nebadon_laptop> teleporting is pretty good now
2014-11-22 01:08 <justincc> yeah, maybe I should just do more HG to experience the pain
2014-11-22 01:09 <nebadon_laptop> the only way i can reliably pass content between HG avatars
2014-11-22 01:09 <nebadon_laptop> is if both avatars are friends
2014-11-22 01:09 <nebadon_laptop> then each avatar goes to their home grid
2014-11-22 01:09 <nebadon_laptop> and through profile or IM i pass them content
2014-11-22 01:09 <nebadon_laptop> any other way leads to either extra work, or unusable permantely broken perms items
2014-11-22 01:20 <BlueWall> nebadon_laptop, have you tried wth Firestorm?
2014-11-22 01:21 <nebadon_laptop> i havent
2014-11-22 01:21 <BlueWall> I would see those things when using Singularity
2014-11-22 01:21 <BlueWall> Firestorm was OK
2014-11-22 01:21 <nebadon_laptop> strange, i can try, i dont normally use firestorm though
2014-11-22 01:21 <nebadon_laptop> ad its not something im even sure i can trigger every time
2014-11-22 01:22 <BlueWall> the chairs at the CC wouldn't rez for me in Singularity
2014-11-22 01:22 <Melanie_T> hg has one major drawback
2014-11-22 01:23 <Melanie_T> if that is addressed, then it may cause more widespread adoption in lieu of grids
2014-11-22 01:23 <Melanie_T> and that is visible neighbors
2014-11-22 01:24 <ox64_p> ^yep
2014-11-22 01:24 <ox64_p> i love to explore, but it's a bummer that i can't see online friends or group notices
2014-11-22 01:25 <Melanie_T> many years ago i outlined a long term vision
2014-11-22 01:25 <Melanie_T> part of that was to remove presence and chat from regions entirely
2014-11-22 01:25 <Melanie_T> and have them connect to a large scale social net across all "grids"
2014-11-22 01:26 <Melanie_T> a jabber network or similar
2014-11-22 01:26 <Melanie_T> built into the viewer in place of the funky linden chat
2014-11-22 01:26 <Melanie_T> leave only local chat on simulators
2014-11-22 01:26 <Melanie_T> so you have your friends list apart from grids
2014-11-22 01:26 <Melanie_T> and can chat with all your friends
2014-11-22 01:26 <Melanie_T> no mater where inthe hg they're hopping to
2014-11-22 01:26 <ox64_p> i always thought even in secondlife grid, scratch the whole chat/group protocols and use something like IRC....just amazes me how much lag there can be just for the whole concept of sending a few bytes of text 
2014-11-22 01:27 <Melanie_T> avination's group chat uses an irc server as the backend and it works like a char
2014-11-22 01:27 <Melanie_T> m
2014-11-22 01:27 <OtakuMegane> That seems?quite obvious actually. A lot of the SL design of channeling everything through the sim/region doesn't make much sense.
2014-11-22 01:27 <Melanie_T> there is much to be said for the tried and true
2014-11-22 01:29 <ox64_p> i dont know the history of the chat and group chats, i know many years ago it was lag free and worked flawless, then they introduced an update that finally destroyed that :(  it always made me curious what on earth they did, but i remmember them  justifying it as a requirement to keep up with the growing pains and scalability of the grid
2014-11-22 01:30 <AllenKerensky> well its hard to argue with IRC or XMPP - they do what it says on the tin and they've been polished a long time to do it
2014-11-22 01:30 <OtakuMegane> ^
2014-11-22 01:32 <OtakuMegane> There's a reason IRC still is in use despite how old it is. :)
2014-11-22 01:32 <ox64_p> yaay :)
2014-11-22 01:37 <OtakuMegane> If communications aside from local chat can be moved off the region/grid level that would be quite good. And remove a few potential bug factors from opensim.
2014-11-22 01:42 <diva> Melanie_T do you have the viewers talk to the IRC server directly?
2014-11-22 02:40 <OtakuMegane> It would have to be done per message I'd think since any nuber of avs could be in different places from one to another. You can optimize and tweak that sort of system but it'll only get you so far.
2014-11-22 02:40 <OtakuMegane> It's hard to know if LL has cared enough to really work at fixing the system or they just keep it working well enough to avoid riots. :P
2014-11-22 02:40 <dahlia> I would think the teleport mechanism could track it and tell whatever layer to suscribe to whatever needs to be suscribed to
2014-11-22 02:40 <dahlia> like "so and so just TP'd to this sim, lets connect them to the proper IRC channels"
2014-11-22 02:40 <OtakuMegane> That's true
2014-11-22 02:40 <dahlia> but yeah there may be some problems with that approach
2014-11-22 02:40 <dahlia> I think there's also some limit to IRC message size but I suspect thats probably something that can be set on a server
2014-11-22 02:40 <OtakuMegane> I know it can be to some extent since I encounter different maximum message lengths on various networks
2014-11-22 02:40 <dahlia> ah ok... I used to run a gridproxy plugin that relayed all my messages thru a personal IRC server and there was times that long messages were truncated 
2014-11-22 02:41 <OtakuMegane> Ok, RFC dictates a 512 character maximum. I'm sure it would be trivial in technical terms to make it larger but non-supporting ends would truncate it I guess
2014-11-22 02:41 <dahlia> I think SL messages are 1024 
2014-11-22 02:41 <dahlia> cant remember for sure tho
2014-11-22 02:41 <OtakuMegane> Probably in that range. I know they can be pretty long
2014-11-22 02:43 <dahlia> the sim<->viewer group IM protocol is a huge mess too. It uses the XML login response, CAPS and EventQueue, and UDP
2014-11-22 02:43 <dahlia> it's horrid
2014-11-22 02:43 <OtakuMegane> Gee, that's a surprise lol.
2014-11-22 02:43 <dahlia> lol
2014-11-22 02:44 <misterblue> sounds like someone needs to add a chat extension to the viewer with an eye to getting it encorporated into the TPVr's
2014-11-22 02:46 <dahlia> misterblue: you netsplit off just as I posted this:
2014-11-22 02:46 <dahlia> [17:59] <dahlia> I did this long ago and some people kinda liked it but it was really just a proof of concept and not really a end-user solution http://forge.opensimulator.org/gf/project/jabberimproxy/
2014-11-22 02:46 <dahlia> [18:00] <dahlia> it worked such that people in SL could chat with opensim users
2014-11-22 02:47 <OtakuMegane> That's basically the concept. Move non-local chat to a more independent level.
2014-11-22 02:47 <dahlia> I think justin did something also so there could be some IM between SL and opensim
2014-11-22 02:48 <dahlia> for a while there some viewers had IRC clients in them
2014-11-22 02:48 <AllenKerensky> yeah I miss that especially with all of these channels for opensim-related stuff heh
2014-11-22 02:49 <OtakuMegane> If something solid can be designed I don't think it would be too hard to get the TPVs to incorporate it. It's getting things hashed out and working that's the hard part.
2014-11-22 02:49 <dahlia> you can probably still run a webchat client in the viewer browser
2014-11-22 02:49 <dahlia> I used to do that way back when
2014-11-22 02:49 <AllenKerensky> merge libpurple *runs and hides*
2014-11-22 02:49 <dahlia> heh
2014-11-22 02:49 <dahlia> libpurple is gpl
2014-11-22 02:49 <dahlia> I think
2014-11-22 02:50 <AllenKerensky> and from some descriptions I've read - a security nightmare
2014-11-22 02:50 <dahlia> oh? hadnt heard that
2014-11-22 02:50 <AllenKerensky> probably in the file send/receive per protocol
2014-11-22 02:51 <OtakuMegane> Well that could certainly be.
2014-11-22 02:51 <dahlia> I dont think I use anything that uses it. I never cared for pidgin
2014-11-22 02:53 <dahlia> I use konversation now but it only talks to a znc one of my servers. No idea what konversation uses
2014-11-22 04:03 <smxy> ah, the netsplit is over. yay. :)
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2014-11-22 05:24 <Tank_Master> for now
2014-11-22 17:05 <osmantis> Bug #7381:04 [SCRIPT] OsParseJSON C# Exemple 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7381 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2014-11-22 20:13 <osmantis> Bug #7381:04 [SCRIPT] OsParseJSON C# Exemple 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7381 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-22 21:16 <osmantis> Bug #7371:04 BulletSim-- Crash when have more then 2-3 cut prims physical. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7371 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-22 21:47 <osmantis> Bug #7371:04 BulletSim-- Crash when have more then 2-3 cut prims physical. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7371 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-22 22:05 <osmantis> Bug #7371:04 BulletSim-- Crash when have more then 2-3 cut prims physical. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7371 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-23 00:08 <Jessica_Lyon> diva: It looks like https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-7816 has merit. It's been accepted and a MAINT issue created for it. Which means it is on the list of things to fix. Unfortunately MAINT issues are hidden for all of us so we won't know much until a change appears upstream. Impossible to know how long that will be
2014-11-23 00:09 <diva> I saw that, Jessica_Lyon. Good news, I guess! If they fix it, will they make any comment on that public JIRA?
2014-11-23 00:09 <Jessica_Lyon> possibly but not always. 
2014-11-23 00:10 <Jessica_Lyon> And rarely do they say what the actual resolution is, though I may be able to poke someone off the record. 
2014-11-23 00:10 <diva> well, I guess we'll see the code change at some point, if they change it
2014-11-23 00:10 <Jessica_Lyon> yup
2014-11-23 00:10 <Jessica_Lyon> the fact that its been accepted though is a sign that someone at the lab agrees with you ;)
2014-11-23 00:11 <diva> I'll have a fix for it for opensim soon. It's not just switching it to FALSE; it needs a little bit more love, just a little.
2014-11-23 00:11 <Jessica_Lyon> lol, I'll look forward to seeing what you come up with
2014-11-23 00:11 <diva> :)
2014-11-23 00:13 <diva> the thing is that if you switch it to FALSE, sometimes the avie gets stuck in a walking animation. So the logic in send_agent_update needs a little bit more love.
2014-11-23 00:13 <diva> just a little :)
2014-11-23 00:14 <Jessica_Lyon> We used to have a feature.. originated from emerald... actually it was before emerald but anyways. Phantom.. It was the ultimate movelock really. By setting your av phantom you stopped sending agent updates and the simulator didn't know where you were essentially. Greifers couldn't do anything to you. 
2014-11-23 00:15 <Jessica_Lyon> LL inadvertently broke that feature while fixing something else sadly. 
2014-11-23 00:17 <Jessica_Lyon> of course the caveat was that you couldn't move anywhere unless you dbl click tp'd. And if someone had placed an orbiter under you using scripted push, your bounding box was probably miles above you when you came out of phantom, instantly sending your avatar to meet with it. So you had to tp before you turned off phantom.
2014-11-23 00:18 <dahlia> I've had my avie get stuck in walking animation a lot recently but I'm using Replex which I doubt has any of your changes diva
2014-11-23 00:18 <diva> oh really?
2014-11-23 00:18 <nebadon_laptop> ive had avatar stuck in sit pose a lot
2014-11-23 00:18 <dahlia> so maybe something else going on?
2014-11-23 00:19 <Jessica_Lyon> the stuck walking anim happens on any viewer. Sometimes it's AO caused. 
2014-11-23 00:19 <diva> oh ok
2014-11-23 00:19 <Jessica_Lyon> I think sometimes the simulator doesn't get the state change data when you stop walking
2014-11-23 00:19 <dahlia> well its recent
2014-11-23 00:19 <dahlia> or I only remember it being recent ;)
2014-11-23 00:19 <Jessica_Lyon> it's been an SL thing for as long as I can remember
2014-11-23 00:19 <Jessica_Lyon> We also get stuck in sitting animation
2014-11-23 00:20 <Jessica_Lyon> or standing anim.. even while walking around. Which is kind of creepy
2014-11-23 00:20 <dahlia> I dont really know what controls the walking anim but I thought it was from movement from physics somehow
2014-11-23 00:20 <Jessica_Lyon> no your av is always physical unless you sit
2014-11-23 00:20 <dahlia> not AgentUpdate
2014-11-23 00:21 <diva> then the agent updates thing may be as simple as switching it to FALSE.  But I was plannign to look at the stuck animation, and I may still do it.
2014-11-23 00:21 <dahlia> well you can always just set it to FALSE and wait for complaints ;)
2014-11-23 00:21 <Jessica_Lyon> best to be thorough.. mhm. Especially something that could potentially have some very significant side effects if wrong.
2014-11-23 00:22 <dahlia> assuming any complaints can be related to setting it FALSE 
2014-11-23 00:22 <Jessica_Lyon> you assume people will know where to complain to
2014-11-23 00:22 <Jessica_Lyon> or care enough to complain even
2014-11-23 00:23 <dahlia> we'll just say "It's a viewer problem" :D
2014-11-23 00:23 <Jessica_Lyon> Though that problem is probably a bigger problem in SL than Opensim
2014-11-23 00:23 <dahlia> 
ACTION ducks

2014-11-23 00:23 <Jessica_Lyon> haha
2014-11-23 00:23 <Jessica_Lyon> hmm... I must llLearnToGrammar 
2014-11-23 00:23 <diva> I have been using the OnLook viewer for the past few days where I set that to FALSE, and the only thing I noticed was the stuck walking animation from time to time. Maybe this happened before too, but I wasn't sensitive to it
2014-11-23 00:24 <diva> but other than that I haven't seen any changes in behavior
2014-11-23 00:24 <dahlia> I'll wait for llLearnsToWriteAScriptingLanguage() before I llLearnToGrammar()
2014-11-23 00:24 <Jessica_Lyon> haha!
2014-11-23 00:25 <MarcusLlewellyn> I still want this: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlGetPizza
2014-11-23 00:25 <Jessica_Lyon> LOL
2014-11-23 00:25 <dahlia> haha
2014-11-23 00:26 <Jessica_Lyon> That needs to be updated to Ebbe Linden though
2014-11-23 00:26 <Jessica_Lyon> Marc's not here man!
2014-11-23 00:26 <MarcusLlewellyn> Thank goodness. :)
2014-11-23 00:26 <Jessica_Lyon> agreed
2014-11-23 00:27 <dahlia> My jira never got fixed :(  https://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/jira-notify/2011-December/311462.html
2014-11-23 00:28 <Jessica_Lyon> I would totally support that jira. 
2014-11-23 00:28 <Jessica_Lyon> I have quite a collection myself. 
2014-11-23 00:28 <Jessica_Lyon> But LL doesn't do bears anymore sadly.. at least it isn't mandatory like it used to be.
2014-11-23 00:29 <dahlia> https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2648?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Aall-tabpanel
2014-11-23 00:29 <Jessica_Lyon> Shame that... Not because I like bears but because it forced new staff to learn just how difficult it is to build in SL. 
2014-11-23 00:29 <dahlia> ya I have a pretty large collection
2014-11-23 00:30 <dahlia> it wasnt easy chasing all those Lindens down either
2014-11-23 00:31 <diva> Anyway, Jessica_Lyon thanks for point that jira to them. Hopefully they'll fix it.
2014-11-23 00:31 <Jessica_Lyon> fingers crossed. 
2014-11-23 00:53 <smxy> I was going to gzip my IARs, until I realized they are created gzipped already. Does anyone know what level compression is used though? I'm hoping -9/--best.
2014-11-23 00:54 <smxy> Same question re: OAR files
2014-11-23 00:56 <smxy> Nevermind. I found it. For both, it's: CompressionLevel.BestCompression
2014-11-23 00:56 <smxy> yay
2014-11-23 00:57 <smxy> I forgot I can search the code. :)
2014-11-23 01:18 <dahlia> diva: http://www.npr.org/2014/11/22/365968465/after-backlash-computer-engineer-barbie-gets-new-set-of-skills
2014-11-23 01:22 <zadark> There have been several articles about that over the pas few days including comments from code.org
2014-11-23 01:23 <dahlia> I think diva was involved in the design of that Barbie
2014-11-23 01:24 <dahlia> 
ACTION just wants the pink laptop.....

2014-11-23 01:24 <zadark> http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/19/7245461/feminist-barbie-hacker-engineer-fix
2014-11-23 01:27 <zadark> I see plenty of pink laptops, don't think they came out of the factory that way.
2014-11-23 01:27 <dahlia> lol
2014-11-23 01:27 <dahlia> well I dont think diva was involved with the book, only the doll
2014-11-23 01:31 <smxy> I loved the rewrite that was done of that horrid original book.
2014-11-23 01:35 <zadark> Itching for a makeover http://www.dell.com/uk/p/alienware-18/pd?oc=n00aw814&model_id=alienware-18
2014-11-23 01:40 <smxy> Wow. Max that out and take their silly tablet too and it costs 4868.39 
2014-11-23 02:18 <nebadon_laptop> Asus is way nicer
2014-11-23 02:19 <nebadon_laptop> http://www.asus.com/us/site/g-series
2014-11-23 02:21 <nebadon_laptop> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834232199&cm_re=g751jt-_-34-232-202-_-Product
2014-11-23 02:25 <OtakuMegane> Lol high-end gaming laptops
2014-11-23 02:26 <nebadon_laptop> :)
2014-11-23 02:26 <BlueWall> nebadon_laptop, got my regions back on SuSE 13.1 last night and they've been running non-stop.
2014-11-23 02:27 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2014-11-23 02:27 <BlueWall> I need to file a bug report about those crashes.
2014-11-23 02:27 <BlueWall> I'll have to see if I can repro in a VM I guess.
2014-11-23 02:28 <nebadon_laptop> should be able to
2014-11-23 02:28 <nebadon_laptop> i was able to
2014-11-23 02:28 <diva> Barbie computer engineer is a major hit! everyone likes her, especially now that she is a feminist hacker :)
2014-11-23 02:29 <BlueWall> I guess it wold be good to shoot out an email to the lists to warn people to beware.
2014-11-23 02:31 <nebadon_laptop> yea probably a good idea
2014-11-23 02:44 <diva> I swear to god, this viewer is a bit bipolar
2014-11-23 02:45 <diva> it makes 2 requests to simulator features to every sim it knows about
2014-11-23 02:45 <diva> and then it makes 2 requests to the destinations URL if is it set
2014-11-23 02:51 <smxy> Isn't that more repetitive/redundant (see what I did there?), rather than bipolar? :)
2014-11-23 02:51 <misterblue> similar to continuiously sending the avatar update -- if once is good twice, thrice, zillions is better :)
2014-11-23 02:51 <smxy> hehe
2014-11-23 02:51 <diva> hehe
2014-11-23 03:02 <dahlia> mmmm packets nom nom nom
2014-11-23 03:13 <LiruCookies> diva: How about a map member of some User class, m_LastSent, where if (m_LastSent[service_type] > MINIMUM_REQUEST_INTERVAL) { m_LastSent[service_type] = unix_timestamp; sendPacketFor(service_type); }
2014-11-23 03:14 <LiruCookies> Erm 
2014-11-23 03:15 <LiruCookies> unix_timestamp - m_LastSent[service_type] > MINIMUM_REQUEST_INTERVAL
2014-11-23 03:17 <LiruCookies> That should reduce bandwidth one way, and cpu load on the server.
2014-11-23 03:17 <diva> I need to understand better what the heck the viewer is tring to do... The double SimulatorFeatures, it seems like the first time it always fails, for some reason; it always received 0 bytes. Then it asks again. Not sure what the deal is with the destinations URL, because that doesn't go through WinGridProxy 
2014-11-23 03:18 <LiruCookies> Huh, does Singu do that? 
2014-11-23 03:18 <diva> yes, I'm using Singu
2014-11-23 03:19 <LiruCookies> It shouldn't go there at all unless the browser is open
2014-11-23 03:19 <diva> for this particular test 'm doing
2014-11-23 03:19 <LiruCookies> The destinations guide*
2014-11-23 03:19 <diva> I'm pulling World->Destinations
2014-11-23 03:19 <LiruCookies> oki
2014-11-23 03:19 <LiruCookies> sec
2014-11-23 03:19 <diva> and whenever I do that, my server gets 2 requests
2014-11-23 03:21 <LiruCookies> wait
2014-11-23 03:21 <LiruCookies> close the destinations guide and teleport
2014-11-23 03:21 <LiruCookies> do you get a single use?
2014-11-23 03:21 <diva> what do you mean?
2014-11-23 03:22 <diva> The test I'm doing is: login, pull up destinations ==> server gets 2 requests
2014-11-23 03:22 <LiruCookies> Destinations guide in the viewer, have the url change to see if it is used when the destinations guide is closed.
2014-11-23 03:22 <LiruCookies> Oh
2014-11-23 03:23 <LiruCookies> So nothing else was opened and you already have caps?
2014-11-23 03:23 <zadark> SimulatorFeature behaviour is similar on SL. The first one 0 bytes, occurs very early in the logn process, the second returns around 600 bytes. 
2014-11-23 03:24 <diva> yeah Liru, this is a striaght login into a region that sends the destination guide URL through sim features
2014-11-23 03:26 <diva> zadark, yes, I'm pretty sure this is a buglet in the viewer, not in opensim
2014-11-23 03:26 <diva> I remember seeing that in the Linden grid too
2014-11-23 03:27 <zadark> Agree, I have not found any valid reason.
2014-11-23 03:27 <smxy> Careful about tugging on threads in the viewer. You might never bee seen again.
2014-11-23 03:28 <smxy> -e
2014-11-23 03:28 <diva> the viewer's alright. I'm not as scared of it as I was before.
2014-11-23 03:30 <LiruCookies> Besides, if you tug any dangerous strings, I will be there to catch you as you descend to your doom
2014-11-23 03:31 <diva> yey ! :)
2014-11-23 03:31 <smxy> lol
2014-11-23 03:42 <LiruCookies> 
ACTION has enough tails to become a helicopter.

2014-11-23 03:47 <diva> well, my user-taylored destination guide is working, modulo the viewer requesting it twice: http://imagebin.ca/v/1iBjsa7ujOyC
2014-11-23 03:48 <zadark> diva: There are several messages that behave in a similar manor, AgentState and EnvironmentSettings  as an example. Somerepeat several times before the server responds. Could be akin to children in the backseat of a car saying 'are we there yet'
2014-11-23 03:49 <diva> are those over http?
2014-11-23 03:49 <zadark> Yes, Caps
2014-11-23 03:49 <diva> geez
2014-11-23 03:52 <diva> I never noticed those, but I noticed SimFeatures before. This has been there for a while
2014-11-23 03:53 <diva> do those also return 0 the first time?
2014-11-23 03:53 <zadark> Yes
2014-11-23 03:53 <diva> well, the server certainly doesn't send 0 bytes. It gets the request, and it sends the right data. The client must kill the request midway
2014-11-23 03:55 <zadark> GetDisplayNames  and  AvatarRenderInfo are 2 more, the one  most prevvalent is GetMesh
2014-11-23 03:59 <smxy> diva: question about last night's conversation about distributed DBs. Do you have a DB per region or per region server?
2014-11-23 03:59 <nebadon_laptop> do you see the same behavior in SL diva?
2014-11-23 04:01 <smxy> Actually, s/region/simulator/, I think.
2014-11-23 04:04 <nebadon_laptop> at Encitra and pretty much every grid i manage always has a database per region policy
2014-11-23 04:04 <smxy> That's a lot of DBs to backup.
2014-11-23 04:04 <nebadon_laptop> its but think about it in reverse
2014-11-23 04:05 <nebadon_laptop> what if you want to restore just 1 region
2014-11-23 04:05 <smxy> It's less to restore.
2014-11-23 04:05 <nebadon_laptop> then what?
2014-11-23 04:05 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-11-23 04:05 <nebadon_laptop> extracting a single region from a massive DB dump is not fun
2014-11-23 04:06 <smxy> I've been working on re-architecting my grid, so I take all this in and mull it over. :)
2014-11-23 04:06 <diva> zadark GetMesh is also twice?
2014-11-23 04:06 <BlueWall> multiple database/mysql instance?
2014-11-23 04:06 <smxy> 1 mysql, many DBs I imagine
2014-11-23 04:07 <smxy> per server
2014-11-23 04:07 <BlueWall> I have around 12 instance running
2014-11-23 04:08 <BlueWall> but that is everything on one machine atm.
2014-11-23 04:08 <nebadon_laptop> its just 1 mysql instance
2014-11-23 04:08 <nebadon_laptop> but each region had its own db
2014-11-23 04:08 <smxy> I have one master DB with multiple grid's DBs in the one MariaDB instance.
2014-11-23 04:08 <smxy> And then I set up two slaves.
2014-11-23 04:08 <nebadon_laptop> well 1 mysql instance per physical server
2014-11-23 04:08 <smxy> But that's still one DB per grid.
2014-11-23 04:08 <nebadon_laptop> its not a centralised mysql 
2014-11-23 04:09 <smxy> I'm just trying to wrap my brain around going from one DB to 45 ...
2014-11-23 04:09 <BlueWall> the multi tools don't work very well
2014-11-23 04:09 <nebadon_laptop> if you have good scripts, the number of databases shouldnt really matter
2014-11-23 04:10 <zadark> diva: GetMash is many times repeated. Not sure I understand the behaviour yet.
2014-11-23 04:10 <nebadon_laptop> its the difference between spending 10 minutes making a script and 30 minutes making a script
2014-11-23 04:10 <nebadon_laptop> thats about the only difference
2014-11-23 04:11 <diva> zadark maybe mesh does the same thing as textures -- request different levels of detail in separate requests (I think that's how textures work)
2014-11-23 04:11 <smxy> Well, I already have a script that backs up the entire MariaDB instance, regardless of the number of DBs in it. I could do that per server. But that still doesn't make it easy to restore a single DB.
2014-11-23 04:11 <smxy> I'd still need to script that.
2014-11-23 04:11 <nebadon_laptop> i have mysqldump do each table individually
2014-11-23 04:11 <nebadon_laptop> its 1 liner
2014-11-23 04:12 <nebadon_laptop> you just repeat as many times as needed
2014-11-23 04:12 <smxy> I'm using Percona's backup tool to do a hot backup of the entire instance.
2014-11-23 04:13 <BlueWall> I maed one that backs up each region database and rotates them. Keeping 7 days of backups, then a weekly.
2014-11-23 04:13 <smxy> I run it against a slave.
2014-11-23 04:14 <zadark> diva: I see what you mean, intriguing stuff. I will keep digging.
2014-11-23 04:15 <smxy> I'll look at doing  more granular backup.
2014-11-23 04:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #3885 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-23 04:16 <smxy> btw, Percona has lots of tools for free that are really useful, aside from their backup program.
2014-11-23 04:16 <smxy> I highly recommend them.
2014-11-23 04:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3885: SUCCESS in 4 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3885/
2014-11-23 04:19 <osjenkins> diva: Small improvements to SimulatorFeaturesModule: (1) don't overwrite extras if the grid response is invalid; (2) make the name of the config variable for destination guide consistent with the grid-wide name in LoginService; (3) account for the existence of a [USERID] in the destination guide URL
2014-11-23 04:41 <Jessica_Lyon> Ok I have a question for opensim devs... I have a user who seems to think we have a backdoor because of the error message that comes up from the following repro....
2014-11-23 04:42 <Jessica_Lyon> "
2014-11-23 04:42 <Jessica_Lyon> 1.............Set up an opensim standalone system using the most current Diva distro.
2014-11-23 04:42 <Jessica_Lyon> 2..............Set up a user account using account console, with an empty email address
2014-11-23 04:42 <Jessica_Lyon> 3..............Set up a test region and login to it using FS,
2014-11-23 04:42 <Jessica_Lyon> 4..............Click on Avatar->Preferences and get that error popup.
2014-11-23 04:42 <Jessica_Lyon> 5...............Examine the server console and get this message:-
2014-11-23 04:42 <Jessica_Lyon> '22:38:16 - [PROFILES]: User preferences request error - No Email address on record!'
2014-11-23 04:42 <Jessica_Lyon> 6...............Using the Diva web interface, edit the account and add an email address
2014-11-23 04:42 <Jessica_Lyon> 7................Relog to the test region and open preferences, and no error produced.
2014-11-23 04:42 <Jessica_Lyon> This tells us that even if logged into Secondlife,, when a user opens the FS preferences, it grabs the users email address.
2014-11-23 04:42 <Jessica_Lyon> "
2014-11-23 04:43 <Jessica_Lyon> The error "No email address on record" does not exist in the viewer code, which means it is being returned by the server. My question is... is the opensim software returning that error message. 
2014-11-23 04:44 <Jessica_Lyon> This user believes we are stealing folks email addresses when they open preferences. 
2014-11-23 04:48 <Jessica_Lyon> Oh.. I missed the first paragraph.. 
2014-11-23 04:48 <Jessica_Lyon> "[11:10:56 PM] Whirly Fizzle: I and a few professional programmers tried to trace why there was this "Error retrieving preferences" in firestorm,,,, and we found out, that every time the Preferences option is clicked on, it scans the users account for their email address, and the only conclusion as to why this happens is that this is some sort of 'backdoor' that sends that email address to...
2014-11-23 04:48 <Jessica_Lyon> ...whoever at the making of FS,  we tested this by these steps,,,, oh it seems clever that the users of Secondlife can not test this because user accounts cannot have a blank email address,,, anyway, this is how we found out."
2014-11-23 04:48 <Jessica_Lyon> that wasn't whirly who said it btw lol. She was relaying the copy/paste. 
2014-11-23 04:48 <Jessica_Lyon> Anyway, any insight would be appreciated. 
2014-11-23 04:48 <dahlia> I get that error on replex sometimes
2014-11-23 04:49 <Jessica_Lyon> I believe all the viewers will return that error. I suspect it's to do with the email offline messages option in preferences
2014-11-23 04:49 <dahlia> I think I got it while hg teleported to cc grid
2014-11-23 04:49 <dahlia> and opening prefs
2014-11-23 04:49 <Jessica_Lyon> I'd just like to be able to explain why that error is coming up. 
2014-11-23 04:50 <Jessica_Lyon> Most likely it returns on the LL viewer too except that one cannot test since the LL viewer doesn't connect to other grids
2014-11-23 04:50 <dahlia> well it can...
2014-11-23 04:50 <dahlia> you have to binary edit it
2014-11-23 04:50 <dahlia> change the uri
2014-11-23 04:50 <smxy> That string shows up in UserProfilesService.cs twice.
2014-11-23 04:51 <Jessica_Lyon> TY Smxy! 
2014-11-23 04:51 <smxy> lines 179 and 214
2014-11-23 04:52 <dahlia> but why would it show up while opening viewer prefs dialog?
2014-11-23 04:52 <smxy> In UserPreferencesUpdate() and UserPreferencesRequest()
2014-11-23 04:52 <Jessica_Lyon> not sure 
2014-11-23 04:54 <dahlia> maybe its trying to display something that isnt available in hg regions?
2014-11-23 04:55 <dahlia> like if its an email address, maybe that's not something thats shared with foreign regions?
2014-11-23 04:56 <Jessica_Lyon> well the viewer doesn't actually store an email address. 
2014-11-23 04:57 <Jessica_Lyon> Just talked to Cinder. She points out that in SL there has to be an email address on file so that error cannot happen on the LL grid. But on opensim it is not enforced. 
2014-11-23 04:57 <dahlia> just tried it where I saw it before. Cant replicate now
2014-11-23 05:05 <Jessica_Lyon> I've just spoken to the user. Hoping he pops in here. Also, cinder pointed me to http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6896
2014-11-23 05:10 <smxy> This is the file with that string in it: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16941610/UserProfilesService.cs
2014-11-23 05:10 <Jessica_Lyon> TY!
2014-11-23 05:20 <Jessica_Lyon> Ah, in our prefs... our viewer requests the email address so it can be displayed to the user so they know what email its being sent too. http://jessicatrinity.com/imagess/20141123052025181.jpeg
2014-11-23 05:23 <smxy> And if it's not there, in OpenSim, you'd get that message back from the file I linked.
2014-11-23 05:24 <Jessica_Lyon> yup
2014-11-23 05:25 <Jessica_Lyon> Mystery solved! ty guys for your help!
2014-11-23 05:25 <smxy> You're welcome. I hope it satisfies your user.
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2014-11-23 06:34 <smxy> Jessica_Lyon: I have one for you: Why is it that just about every time I log into my grid, which uses Windlight, and with my viewer set to use it too (I see it checked in the quick prefs), I have to go to World -> Region Details to get it to kick in?
2014-11-23 06:34 <smxy> Just pulling up that dialog gets it to kick in.
2014-11-23 06:50 <ox64-p> oh about that e-mail address thing and error that occurs
2014-11-23 06:51 <ox64-p> on a standalone, the error occurs if the e-mail is left blank...as mentioned that opensim doesn't require it.  if i add it, it does not generate the error.  However with hypergrid enabled the error always occurs, whether an e-mail is in the database or not, that part im not sure about, and haven't been able to explain that one to people that get it
2014-11-23 06:52 <ox64-p> i might understand that error happening if you were somewhere on the hypergrid and not your own grid, but even when on your own grid it still happens
2014-11-23 07:02 <smxy> Our profiles are HG-enabled. That may be related.
2014-11-23 10:54 <LiruCookies> Jessica_Lyon: I am reading backlog (cannot sleep) and Although you were probably answered, there is a viewer display of account info in preferences and a corresponding checkbox to toggle whether offline emails get sent to the sisplayed email 
2014-11-23 10:55 <LiruCookies> Yep, answered, as I thoight X3
2014-11-23 11:00 <LiruCookies> Gawd this insomnia is driving me nuts
2014-11-23 11:59 <osmantis> Bug #7381:04 [SCRIPT] OsParseJSON C# Exemple 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7381 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2014-11-23 13:53 <Jessica_Lyon> smxy: that's a good question... it shouldn't obviously, I'll have to try reproducing that and get back to you. 
2014-11-23 13:53 <Jessica_Lyon> 
ACTION sends LiruCookies sleeping pills with a thank you card!

2014-11-23 14:46 <BlueWall> Where is that place to toggle the email forwarding in Firestorm?
2014-11-23 14:49 <BlueWall> Oh, found it.
2014-11-23 15:00 <BlueWall> ox64-p, I cannot reporoduce that here.
2014-11-23 15:01 <BlueWall> If I remove the email from the UserAccount table and the profiles.usersettings tables I get an error on the console and a message in the viewer...
2014-11-23 15:02 <BlueWall> If I add the email to the UserAccounts, I get no message but I see no email listed in the viewer in that dialog.
2014-11-23 15:02 <BlueWall> This is Firestorm.
2014-11-23 15:06 <diva>  get that error too in Singurality 
2014-11-23 15:09 <BlueWall> I'm going to look into it. 
2014-11-23 15:09 <BlueWall> In firestorm it just lists the email address as () if there is one in the UserAccounts and not the profile
2014-11-23 15:55 <ox64-p> <BlueWall> ox64-p, I cannot reporoduce that here.  <-- on a grid that's hypergrid enabled?
2014-11-23 15:56 <BlueWall> ox64-p, Hg enabled Standalone - but I was able later ...
2014-11-23 15:56 <ox64-p> oh ok
2014-11-23 15:57 <ox64-p> i was always recreating the error with or without e-mail on HG enabled grid 
2014-11-23 15:57 <BlueWall> It has email addresses in 2 places.
2014-11-23 15:58 <BlueWall> It could be the UserAccountService settings in the profiles too.
2014-11-23 15:58 <BlueWall> If that is the case, then it is legit 
2014-11-23 15:59 <BlueWall> But, I'm changing the logging in that case to show what it actually is.
2014-11-23 16:00 <ox64-p> sounds good to me...it's never caused any problems.   I just saw jessica talking about it last night
2014-11-23 16:01 <ox64-p> with the hypergrid enabled, im not even sure if the "error requesting preferences" has anything to do with the e-mail like it does on the standalone, because i don't see any message being logged on the robust console about it in hypergrid mode, like i do in regular grid mode
2014-11-23 16:02 <BlueWall> you might see them on the Robust console
2014-11-23 16:02 <BlueWall> I will test this on the grid too before I push it.
2014-11-23 16:36 <diva> oh wow, this is bad
2014-11-23 16:37 <BlueWall> ?
2014-11-23 16:37 <diva> the viewer's behavior on choosing Destinations...
2014-11-23 16:38 <misterblue> the lady is digging into code that hasn't been looked at in a long time
2014-11-23 16:39 <diva> yeah, Iand I was not joking when I said the viewer is bipolar: http://pastebin.com/CJ8krBgH <--- it stays like that forwver until I close the destinations window: true, false, true, false...
2014-11-23 16:40 <BlueWall> Nothing to do with it working with Ajax?
2014-11-23 16:42 <diva> I doubt anything that makes a flag switch from true to false very fast and continuously is a desired behavior...
2014-11-23 16:43 <nebadon_laptop> maybe its polling for autoplay?
2014-11-23 16:49 <BlueWall> In SL that window is dynamic because it is using ajax to pull updates for different categories.
2014-11-23 16:50 <diva> this flip happens very fast. Can't tell exactly cos there's no time stamp, but something like 10/sec
2014-11-23 16:50 <BlueWall> But, I don't see where that would need to be needing that kind of thing in the background.
2014-11-23 16:51 <diva> oh interesting. It only does it if the wondow is in focus
2014-11-23 16:51 <diva> if I click elsewhere it stops doing it, but if I click the destination window it starts again
2014-11-23 16:51 <diva> this just can't be right
2014-11-23 16:51 <diva> swutching to visible/invisible this fast
2014-11-23 16:52 <BlueWall> Mayb if you find enough bugs, they'll add the --loginuri back to the viewer?
2014-11-23 16:53 <diva> :)
2014-11-23 16:53 <nebadon_laptop> so this is before you even log in?
2014-11-23 16:53 <nebadon_laptop> what do you mean destination window?
2014-11-23 16:53 <nebadon_laptop> the destination guide?
2014-11-23 16:53 <diva> is it available before login?
2014-11-23 16:53 <diva> let me check
2014-11-23 16:53 <BlueWall> I dont' think so
2014-11-23 16:53 <nebadon_laptop> i wasnt sure if you mean the destiation box on login screen
2014-11-23 16:53 <nebadon_laptop> or the HTML destination guide?
2014-11-23 16:53 <diva> html destination guide
2014-11-23 16:53 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-11-23 16:53 <diva> in Singu, it's World->Destinations
2014-11-23 16:53 <nebadon_laptop> do a test
2014-11-23 16:54 <nebadon_laptop> change the code in the HTML
2014-11-23 16:54 <nebadon_laptop> and see if the viewer updates 
2014-11-23 16:54 <diva> change the code how?
2014-11-23 16:54 <nebadon_laptop> oh just make a change so you see visible change in the HTML
2014-11-23 16:54 <diva> the service sends a static page
2014-11-23 16:54 <nebadon_laptop> and see if the viewer is maybe refreshing that content?
2014-11-23 16:54 <nebadon_laptop> LL uses that kind of window for all kinds of stuff now
2014-11-23 16:54 <nebadon_laptop> profiles
2014-11-23 16:54 <nebadon_laptop> not just the limited scope that OpenSim uses it for
2014-11-23 16:55 <BlueWall> yes, they use web applications to program those
2014-11-23 16:55 <nebadon_laptop> im thinking they want to keep it constant always maybe
2014-11-23 16:55 <nebadon_laptop> they probably use a proxy to throttle requests server side again in these situations
2014-11-23 16:56 <BlueWall> I think they are able to make a more generic viewer and put a lot of the content generation for those windows in web apps
2014-11-23 16:56 <BlueWall> Also, they could present different content depending on the user 
2014-11-23 16:56 <diva> no, this is not about network. This is about graphics. Thank god the flip of this flag doesn't end up in repeated HTTP requests!
2014-11-23 16:56 <BlueWall> A/B product testing, etc.
2014-11-23 16:57 <nebadon_laptop> ah
2014-11-23 16:57 <diva> no, this just feels wrong. There's no way they would add an INFO message on a method that they expect to be called 10/sec...
2014-11-23 16:57 <BlueWall> they're flipping the visibility of the scene with that?
2014-11-23 16:57 <diva> no, the visibility of the window
2014-11-23 16:59 <BlueWall> I wonder about that code in Singularity because that is a V3 feature.
2014-11-23 16:59 <nebadon_laptop> ya good point that was probably backported perhaps even differently that v3 since the license is different?
2014-11-23 16:59 <nebadon_laptop> I wonder if Kokua does the same thing
2014-11-23 17:00 <diva> hmm, I tried to check the profiles, but it looks like the profiles in opensim still binds to the old windows
2014-11-23 17:00 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2014-11-23 17:01 <nebadon_laptop> there is a hack
2014-11-23 17:01 <nebadon_laptop> to make it work using new styles
2014-11-23 17:01 <diva> is there anything else I can check that pull up an html page?
2014-11-23 17:01 <nebadon_laptop> hmm
2014-11-23 17:01 <nebadon_laptop> web search
2014-11-23 17:01 <BlueWall> I started soem work on web profiles about the time LL pulled the --loginuri
2014-11-23 17:01 <nebadon_laptop> it might point to SL though
2014-11-23 17:01 <nebadon_laptop> or maybe metaverseink
2014-11-23 17:01 <nebadon_laptop> not sure
2014-11-23 17:01 <diva> ok, web search doesn't do the flipping
2014-11-23 17:01 <nebadon_laptop> hmm i dont think sing has that
2014-11-23 17:02 <BlueWall> should be abel to pull up a url in the web viewer?
2014-11-23 17:02 <nebadon_laptop> diva
2014-11-23 17:02 <nebadon_laptop> try f1 key
2014-11-23 17:02 <diva> ok, that doesn't do it either
2014-11-23 17:03 <nebadon_laptop> i wonder if LL is some how passing variables to the viewer via HTML some how?
2014-11-23 17:04 <nebadon_laptop> something the destination guide expects to get?
2014-11-23 17:04 <nebadon_laptop> so its goes nuts looking for it?
2014-11-23 17:04 <BlueWall> ajax
2014-11-23 17:05 <diva> web search windows just does this once INFO: LLMediaCtrl::handleVisibilityChange: visibility changed to true
2014-11-23 17:05 <BlueWall> they have javascript using ajax updates
2014-11-23 17:05 <diva> the page that I return on the destinations does not have javascript
2014-11-23 17:05 <BlueWall> it can
2014-11-23 17:05 <nebadon_laptop> i wonder
2014-11-23 17:06 <diva> so can the search window, and it's not doing the switching 
2014-11-23 17:06 <nebadon_laptop> in SL does that window poof once you select a destination
2014-11-23 17:06 <nebadon_laptop> ?
2014-11-23 17:06 <BlueWall> you can run full blown web apps on the backend for those windows
2014-11-23 17:06 <diva> there's just no way that this is a correct behavior!
2014-11-23 17:06 <nebadon_laptop> heh ya doesnt sound good
2014-11-23 17:06 <diva> not sure if it's Singu-specific
2014-11-23 17:06 <nebadon_laptop> can you test in SL?
2014-11-23 17:06 <diva> I gues I can
2014-11-23 17:06 <diva> let me test there
2014-11-23 17:07 <nebadon_laptop> ya be interesting to see if you get same behavior
2014-11-23 17:07 <nebadon_laptop> this is the SL version of destination guide
2014-11-23 17:07 <nebadon_laptop> http://secondlife.com/destinations
2014-11-23 17:07 <nebadon_laptop> its way more complex than what we do now
2014-11-23 17:08 <nebadon_laptop> I think you will also find that the most current SL viewer is very very different than singularity is
2014-11-23 17:08 <BlueWall> I think they asre switching depending on how it is accessed.
2014-11-23 17:08 <nebadon_laptop> ya likely
2014-11-23 17:09 <BlueWall> in world, there's a line of little sub-windows for categories
2014-11-23 17:09 <BlueWall> you can interact with those.
2014-11-23 17:09 <BlueWall> but, it has been a while since I've been there looking around
2014-11-23 17:09 <BlueWall> haa, the beta grid's not what it used to be either.
2014-11-23 17:10 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-11-23 17:11 <nebadon_laptop> looks like a nuclear bomb went off in beta grid
2014-11-23 17:13 <diva> yup same behavior there
2014-11-23 17:13 <diva> with Singularity
2014-11-23 17:19 <diva> and this is not even what I wanted to look at this morning! I was chasing the double HTPP request...
2014-11-23 17:20 <smxy> Aren't rebbit holes fun? ;)
2014-11-23 17:20 <smxy> rabbit*
2014-11-23 17:21 <smxy> nebadon_laptop: The destinations URL you gave is not the one the viewer uses for the ribbon of destinations, I think. That one is: http://lecs-viewer-web-components.s3.amazonaws.com/v3.0/agni/guide.html - at least that was the one lkalif had pointed us at.
2014-11-23 17:22 <BlueWall> that's it
2014-11-23 17:23 <nebadon_laptop> this is interesting
2014-11-23 17:23 <nebadon_laptop> http://lecs-viewer-web-components.s3.amazonaws.com/v3.0/agni/js/guide.js
2014-11-23 17:23 <BlueWall> :)
2014-11-23 17:27 <nebadon_laptop> its interesting too that it doesnt act the same way in firefox as it does in their viewer
2014-11-23 17:29 <nebadon_laptop> ya they must be passing custom things that only the LL viewer understands or something
2014-11-23 17:29 <nebadon_laptop> if you select a category in the web browser it doesnt display correctly
2014-11-23 17:39 <BlueWall> it may arrange those little windows around in whatever container it has.
2014-11-23 17:40 <BlueWall> the first level is the same, but descending into a category shows them in a jumble.
2014-11-23 17:40 <nebadon_laptop> ya in the viewer those are actually hover boxes
2014-11-23 17:40 <nebadon_laptop> the text
2014-11-23 19:15 <paulieflomar> I have wondered why Singu / Replex are showing excessive UDP traffic in the stats window. Maybe Diva's fix will cut that stat down to size. :)  
2014-11-23 19:32 <paulieflomar> I notice that the LL viewer uses different labeling for bandwidth in the stats window, now. The LL viewer bandwidth stat is now labeled "UDP Data Recieved" and the unit size being reported is labeled "KB/s." The Lab is in the process of moving most of their services off of UDP and onto TCP (HTTP). +1 to that move. -1 to them for not including a TCP(HTTP) bandwidth stat or a total bandwdith 
2014-11-23 19:32 <paulieflomar> stat, though. Another -1 to them for mislabeling the bandwidth unit for their UDP stat. The stat seems to be reporting Kb/s, but it is mislabeled KB/s. I'm watching the stat bursting to 900 KB/s. That translates to 7.2 Mb/s. There is no way I'm recieving 7.2 Mb/s UDP traffic on my 2.8 Mb/s DSL connection. Lol.
2014-11-23 19:33 <smxy> Yes. Big difference between 'B' and 'b'.
2014-11-23 19:33 <smxy> x8, in fact :)
2014-11-23 19:34 <paulieflomar> Who would expect the LAb to now the difference? Lol.
2014-11-23 19:34 <paulieflomar> *know .hehe
2014-11-23 19:35 <paulieflomar> Someone should tell the LAB that bits per second is more commonly used to refer to communication spped than BYTES per second, eh. :)
2014-11-23 19:36 <paulieflomar> God, I caint type today. Moar coffee...
2014-11-23 19:37 <paulieflomar> Did I see, somewhere in the mists of backscroll, that someone is working on adding HTTP keep-alive and pipelining to OpenSim's network bag of tricks, like the Lab is currently doing?
2014-11-23 19:39 <paulieflomar> Whip them HTTP connections till they work HARDER!!!
2014-11-23 19:40 <paulieflomar> "LInden Lab reports today that they plan to lay off 30% of their HTTP network packets, in a move to 'streamline' network operations." Giggle.
2014-11-23 19:43 <BlueWall> OpenSuSE Reply ...
2014-11-23 19:43 <BlueWall> I tested that a hello world did not crash.
2014-11-23 19:43 <BlueWall> Your backtrace looks as though there are hundreds of threads running.
2014-11-23 19:43 <BlueWall> So maybe something about threads and locks changed in the kernel.
2014-11-23 19:43 <BlueWall> Would be nice if you could give a small/simple reproducer for this problem.
2014-11-23 19:43 <BlueWall> I guess I'll turn them on to OpenSim
2014-11-23 19:44 <smxy> Wow. Hello World works, so it isn't Mono? lol
2014-11-23 19:45 <BlueWall> I don't know how to make a simple example.
2014-11-23 19:57 <BlueWall> ... I don't think this is a problem of the openSUSE mono packaging.
2014-11-23 19:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #3886 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-23 19:59 <smxy> No, since you built Mono too and it still failed.
2014-11-23 19:59 <paulieflomar> 
ACTION changes the channel title to "Your backtrace looks as though there are hundreds of threads running."

2014-11-23 19:59 <paulieflomar> lol jk
2014-11-23 19:59 <smxy> heh
2014-11-23 20:00 <paulieflomar> But I AM gonna get that printed on a tee-shirt...
2014-11-23 20:01 <paulieflomar> "Your backtrace looks as though you are trying to test actual software..."
2014-11-23 20:01 <BlueWall> I can technically agree with that point. But, there is in issue with the version of Mono packaged with 13.2. So, the question is, do we close this report and hope the Mono gets updated, or leave it open and try to escalate the issue with the Mono team and close the bug when it is fixed in OpenSuSE?
2014-11-23 20:01 <BlueWall> Thanks
2014-11-23 20:02 <BlueWall> Lol new slogan, OpenSuSE - Works great when you don't need it to.
2014-11-23 20:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3886: SUCCESS in 7 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3886/
2014-11-23 20:03 <osjenkins> bluewall: Fix handling of user preference updates where no email address is supplied
2014-11-23 20:05 <BlueWall> Oren filed a report with Xamarin, but I think OpenSuSE will not upgrade to the fixed version unless they are provoked.
2014-11-23 20:05 <smxy> But you can get around that by building your own, if Mono fixes their issue with the kernels.
2014-11-23 20:09 <BlueWall> smxy, yes. But, we have reccomended OpenSuSE for years. And if we have users upgrading to broken releases that never get fixed, it's bad for us.
2014-11-23 20:10 <BlueWall> Hopefully, they pass the info along to Xamarin/mono packagers and update the version in the distro asap.
2014-11-23 20:13 <dahlia> isnt Linus pretty struct about kernel changes that affect applications? maybe shooting him an email might get something happening
2014-11-23 20:13 <dahlia> *strict
2014-11-23 20:13 <BlueWall> Ohhhlol
2014-11-23 20:13 <BlueWall> He might give us the Nvida speech?
2014-11-23 20:14 <dahlia> could even be some dramatic emails :)
2014-11-23 20:15 <BlueWall> Dear Linus, You did something bad in the new kernel and it won't even run my little Hello (Virtual) World program.
2014-11-23 20:16 <smxy> LOL
2014-11-23 20:16 <BlueWall> It's ok for things like that to happen on occasion, and they usually get fixed pretty quick.
2014-11-23 20:17 <BlueWall> But, OpenSuSE has been negecting Mono upgrades for a while now.
2014-11-23 20:17 <smxy> Hey, as long as 'Hello World' works, what could be wrong? :)
2014-11-23 20:18 <BlueWall> So, this will have to be lived with until OpenSuSE 13.3.
2014-11-23 20:18 <BlueWall> Lol, yeah.
2014-11-23 20:18 <dahlia> well srsly the APIs shouldnt change
2014-11-23 20:19 <BlueWall> dahlia, If I had some real clue about what changed to cause the crashes I would go for it.
2014-11-23 20:19 <BlueWall> ++
2014-11-23 20:19 <MarcusLlewellyn> 
ACTION wonders if there's linux distros with a 3.11 kernel other than SuSE that this could be tested on.

2014-11-23 20:19 <smxy> Oren ried on other distros. Same issue.
2014-11-23 20:19 <MarcusLlewellyn> kk
2014-11-23 20:19 <smxy> tried*
2014-11-23 20:20 <dahlia> hopefully soon .net will be available for linux and we can all just punt on mono
2014-11-23 20:20 <BlueWall> Oren said he had the issue on whatever they run on Amazon
2014-11-23 20:20 <smxy> It seems to be the newer kernels that're the common denominator.
2014-11-23 20:20 <BlueWall> dahlia, Miguel said he wanted Mono to outperform the .net one, lol
2014-11-23 20:20 <dahlia> I use debian but if its the kernel then whatever distribution wont matter
2014-11-23 20:20 <dahlia> outperform? good luck
2014-11-23 20:20 <BlueWall> Right dahlia.
2014-11-23 20:21 <BlueWall> https://bugzilla.xamarin.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24755
2014-11-23 20:21 <BlueWall> https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=906714
2014-11-23 20:22 <AllenKerensky> yeah MS has been doing a lot of linux kernel contribution lately so I expect the opensource will work better with all those devs involved
2014-11-23 20:24 <smxy> You say that like the non-MS folks aren't real devs.
2014-11-23 20:25 <BlueWall> lol, they assigned the bug to me %
2014-11-23 20:26 <BlueWall> Don't know what that means in their system?
2014-11-23 20:28 <MarcusLlewellyn> You've been hired. See HR for the benefits package.
2014-11-23 20:28 <BlueWall> :)
2014-11-23 20:29 <smxy> ha
2014-11-23 20:31 <AllenKerensky> and no, really, i said that like MS devs have been getting down and dirty with the linux kernel directly as they drop desktop and aim for cloud as a business model
2014-11-23 20:32 <dahlia> there's good devs on both sides
2014-11-23 20:32 <AllenKerensky> and threading + network are two area that have to work really well for Azure hosting linux to pay off for them
2014-11-23 20:32 <osmantis> Bug #7382:04 Constant repeated attempt to access user profile data of unaccessible account generates sim lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7382 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-11-23 20:33 <AllenKerensky> yeah - I never said a thing about mono devs but everyone assumes I meant something bad - no helping what people assume
2014-11-23 20:37 <smxy> I hope that Azure Linux hosting works, because $WORK just asked me to start moving our Linux server to Azure, starting nex week ...
2014-11-23 20:38 <smxy> our servers* - plural.
2014-11-23 20:38 <smxy> About 100 of them.
2014-11-23 20:38 <BlueWall> Tell them if they want more deductions at tax time - just give you a whopping raise :)
2014-11-23 20:39 <smxy> heh. Next week I find out if I get a raise this year, and, if so, how much.
2014-11-23 20:39 <smxy> It'll be paltry, I'm sure.
2014-11-23 20:39 <AllenKerensky> let's hope that's all good news and sunshine smxy
2014-11-23 20:39 <smxy> One can hope. :)
2014-11-23 20:44 <dahlia> smxy: can you talk about why they chose azure?
2014-11-23 20:47 <smxy> It was cheaper than Amazon. :)
2014-11-23 20:47 <smxy> Pure and simple.
2014-11-23 20:49 <misterblue> something that will probably change next week... prices are all over the place and changing all the time
2014-11-23 20:49 <misterblue> might want to do the port so it is easy to move between services
2014-11-23 20:49 <smxy> Yup and then they'll ask me to migrate everything. My salary wiping out any cost savings along the way. Sigh.
2014-11-23 20:49 <AllenKerensky> MS is investing a lot of their future in Azure and cloud apps
2014-11-23 20:50 <misterblue> amazon is not making tons of money with AWS and can MS keep loosing money to win market share
2014-11-23 20:50 <smxy> Well, where I work, we have a product that interfaces with our internal cloud and severasl 3rd-party clouds. Once I have them in any of the clouds, I can just migrate between them with a few clicks.
2014-11-23 20:50 <misterblue> everyone has a  cloud service these days and they are fighting over the scraps
2014-11-23 20:51 <misterblue> a shake out will come
2014-11-23 20:51 <smxy> But that's all I can say about that, really.
2014-11-23 20:51 <dahlia> misterblue: is ms running azure at a loss?
2014-11-23 20:51 <misterblue> that's just my guess... that's how they have entered markets in the past
2014-11-23 20:52 <AllenKerensky> Office sales, existing contracts with enterprises, and desktop is likely offsetting that - but the SEC filings will probably tell the tale
2014-11-23 20:52 <dahlia> could be, but azure isnt all that cheap compared to a lot of services out there
2014-11-23 20:52 <dahlia> though I guess a lot of services out there probably use crap equipment and all
2014-11-23 20:53 <smxy> bbiab - gotta perform surgery on a NAS server. Fun, fun ...
2014-11-23 20:54 <AllenKerensky> take a big stick - like a hockey stick
2014-11-23 20:54 <smxy> lol
2014-11-23 20:54 <AllenKerensky> equipment always behaves when you wave the ClueStick(tm) at it
2014-11-23 20:54 <dahlia> I'd also guess any enterprise-sized cloud services probably also gets some government sponsorship <.<  >.>
2014-11-23 20:54 <misterblue> 
ACTION wishes he could find this BulletSim crash -- wasting time on a bug when there are so many new things to try

2014-11-23 20:54 <smxy> fixing bugs is not a waste of time
2014-11-23 20:55 <dahlia> oh misterblue I think I may have noticed a change in script collision detection on linux by changing the AppDomain setting
2014-11-23 20:55 <BlueWall> misterblue, I learned something form OpenSuSE today - If it runs Hello World, assign it to the reporter and run Bubba run.
2014-11-23 20:55 <dahlia> *detection reliability
2014-11-23 20:57 <BlueWall> dahlia, setting it to true or false?
2014-11-23 20:58 <dahlia> AppDomainLoading = false seems like it improves reliability
2014-11-23 20:59 <dahlia> well I haven't seen it fail since I changed it
2014-11-23 20:59 <dahlia> could just be coincedence
2014-11-23 21:04 <BlueWall> probably not. That has usually run better for me.
2014-11-23 21:25 <misterblue> AppDomain changing collisions is odd... that is more on the side of passing the collision into the script
2014-11-23 21:38 <osmantis> Bug #7382:04 Constant repeated attempt to access user profile data of unaccessible account generates sim lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7382 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-23 22:29 <Plugh> I always crash trying to TP from a var to a regular region. That is fixed (AFAIK) in git master. Are there specific commits I can cherry pick for 0.8 to get the fix or do I have to wait for git master to be released as 0. something?
2014-11-23 22:38 <smxy> Have you tried 0.8.0.3, which is the very latest release?
2014-11-23 22:39 <smxy> Or, if you know when it was fixed, we could look in the log for the commit.
2014-11-23 22:42 <Plugh> I run directly from 0.8-post-fixes. I read of a version in which it was fixed but that version was a merge. 
2014-11-23 22:59 <osmantis> Bug #7382:04 Constant repeated attempt to access user profile data of unaccessible account generates sim lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7382 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-23 23:52 <osmantis> Bug #7380:04 Key being evaluated as a boolean improperly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7380 ): has been REOPENED.
2014-11-23 23:54 <osmantis> Bug #7380:04 Key being evaluated as a boolean improperly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7380 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-24 00:00 <osmantis> Bug #7382:04 Constant repeated attempt to access user profile data of unaccessible account generates sim lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7382 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-24 00:07 <osmantis> Bug #7382:04 Constant repeated attempt to access user profile data of unaccessible account generates sim lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7382 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-24 00:09 <osmantis> Bug #7382:04 Constant repeated attempt to access user profile data of unaccessible account generates sim lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7382 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-11-24 06:18 <dahlia> diva: ran into this: http://duktape.org/
2014-11-24 06:20 <smxy> Not C# though ...
2014-11-24 06:22 <dahlia> I think she was looking for something for the viewer
2014-11-24 06:22 <smxy> Oh, right. Duh.
2014-11-24 06:31 <antont> dahlia: interesting - i wonder what kind of js engine that's otherwise
2014-11-24 06:32 <antont> "Small footprint (and portability, to some extent) probably eliminates the possibility of a competitive JIT-based engine, so there is no practical way of competing with very advanced JIT-based engines like SpiderMonkey (and its optimized variants) or Google V8. Performance should still be reasonable for typical embedded programs. Lua is a good benchmark in this respect. (Adding optional, modular support for JITing or perhaps off-line compilation wo
2014-11-24 06:37 <dahlia> antont: no idea. I wasn't looking for it, I just ran across it and passed it on
2014-11-24 06:37 <antont> right-o
2014-11-24 06:40 <ox64-p> dang..i came home to find one of my simulators had taken the entire server down :(    anyone familiar with what this would mean?    http://pastebin.com/wJVyhUzZ      I did a ulimit -aH at the bottom of that pastebin in case it might have something to do with settings on the server itself not being correct or high enough?
2014-11-24 06:41 <ox64-p> basically 20 gig log from the last two hours of Error: ConnectFailure (Too many open files) ---> System.Net.Sockets.SocketException: Too many open files lol
2014-11-24 06:43 <dahlia> ox64-p: maybe the problem is at http://grid.allurisestates.com:8003/xinventory
2014-11-24 06:45 <ox64-p> well the inventory server is on a totally different server, it didnt crash, but the simulator did that was trying to acces it
2014-11-24 06:45 <ox64-p> did.....so hmmmm.....let me look at the robust logs over there right quick and see what i can find
2014-11-24 06:51 <ox64-p> no errors in robust
2014-11-24 06:51 <ox64-p> this is weird
2014-11-24 08:16 <antont> ox64-p: i've sometimes needed to increase the max amount of open files .. not with opensim, but for another server on linux (ejabberd xmpp iirc)
2014-11-24 08:16 <antont> for thousands of clients perhaps?
2014-11-24 08:16 <antont> as in open socket connections
2014-11-24 08:18 <antont> this seems a bit different but similar? "0005881: System.Net.Sockets.SocketException: Too many open files" http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5881 .. ancient, 2012-02-09 16:44
2014-11-24 09:48 <dahlia> I think sockets use a file descriptor but I'm not sure if that's considered the same thing as a open file.
2014-11-24 09:48 <dahlia> unless the error message is just lame
2014-11-24 10:45 <antont> in unix sockets are files
2014-11-24 11:34 <dahlia> antont: I think they are buffers if they are AF_UNIX
2014-11-24 11:34 <dahlia> at least they were in bsd, not sure about linux
2014-11-24 11:41 <antont> at least iirc the same node count max setting helped
2014-11-24 11:43 <dahlia> ya I guess that error could mean too many files+sockets+whatever else is counted 
2014-11-24 11:51 <dahlia> hmmm maybe related http://oroboro.com/file-handle-leaks-server/
2014-11-24 11:52 <antont> yah bugs can do that
2014-11-24 11:54 <dahlia> "When you close a TCP/IP socket the operating system does not release the socket right away. For complex reasons, the socket structure must be kept out of circulation for a few minutes because there is a small chance that an IP packet may arrive on that socket after it has been closed. If the operating system re-used the socket then the new user of that connection would have their session affected by someone else’s lost packets. "
2014-11-24 11:56 <dahlia> I dont think that should happen. It should be smart enough to know who the appropriate endpoint is and reject anything from the wrong endpoint
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2014-11-24 16:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #3887 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-24 16:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3887: SUCCESS in 9 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3887/
2014-11-24 16:25 <osjenkins> bluewall: Re-work handling of email notifications settings.
2014-11-24 16:33 <nebadon_laptop> BlueWall does this fix the viewer preferences error?
2014-11-24 16:39 <BlueWall> yes
2014-11-24 16:39 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2014-11-24 16:40 <BlueWall> If there is no email, it will just display "No Email On Record"
2014-11-24 16:58 <smxy> That sounds less ominous. :)
2014-11-24 23:12 <osmantis> Bug #7151:04 Groups V2  does not show my groups in Firestorm using release 0.7.6.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7151 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-11-25 11:01 <osmantis> Bug #7344:04 Error loading profile data with PGSQL for UserProfilesData in Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7344 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-25 12:25 <osmantis> Bug #7344:04 Error loading profile data with PGSQL for UserProfilesData in Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7344 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-25 20:28 <misterblue> argh... I've bungled up my VS configuration... now 'cl' crashes
2014-11-25 20:28 <misterblue> I'm in ide/package/dll hell
2014-11-25 20:29 <AllenKerensky> "I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure." ~ Ripley, ALIENS
2014-11-25 20:30 <misterblue> that's where I am... considering a complete reformat and re-installation of everything
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2014-11-25 20:32 <misterblue> trouble is one 'moves into' an installation... all those tweeks will be lost... sigh
2014-11-25 20:35 <nebadon_laptop> ya its nice to do a fresh clean install get everything set pretty close to how you like it then make a disk image, with AOEMI Backupper or something like that
2014-11-25 20:35 <nebadon_laptop> Clonezilla
2014-11-25 20:40 <Abitar> is ther a way to remove child circuits from the sim? 
2014-11-25 20:41 <AllenKerensky> Abitar the only way I know is to avoid them by not being side by side with neighbor regions
2014-11-25 20:41 <AllenKerensky> leave at least 1 ocean space between you and others
2014-11-25 20:41 <Abitar> yeah I having problems with var regions never droping them. 
2014-11-25 20:51 <Abitar> yeah that should work i though too 
2014-11-25 21:01 <misterblue> a TP makes a bunch of calculations based on viewer view distance and region view distance to figure out which regions are still in view to choose child connections to keep or create
2014-11-25 21:02 <misterblue> the region view distance is a function of the set region parameter min'ed with the region size
2014-11-25 21:03 <misterblue> thus the email comment that, to no be visible, the other region has to be farther away than the current region size
2014-11-25 21:03 <Abitar> so a child connection should stay with a sim tell the avatar out side of sight ditence? 
2014-11-25 21:04 <misterblue> on a region-to-region basis, yes (that is, flying within a region will not cause children to connect/disconnect -- child regions are only computed on region crossings/TPs)
2014-11-25 21:06 <Abitar> I know a var region tweeks that ditences right? 
2014-11-25 21:06 <Abitar> so it allow a client to see the whole var region 
2014-11-25 21:07 <misterblue> it increases the region view distance to be the region size at a minimum... so, yes
2014-11-25 21:07 <misterblue> that child region computation is separate from the viewer view distance
2014-11-25 21:07 <misterblue> like, terrain is only sent to the viewer for the area within the viewer view distance
2014-11-25 21:09 <misterblue> so, if you have a 2Kx2K var region with a 512m viewer view distance, the viewer will be told about the child regions within 2K of that region but will only send the terrain within 512 of the avatar
2014-11-25 21:09 <misterblue> 'send' => 'be sent'
2014-11-25 21:11 <Abitar> I understand that much 
2014-11-25 21:11 <Abitar> so when should child connections be droped? 
2014-11-25 21:12 <misterblue> when you region cross or when you TP
2014-11-25 21:13 <Abitar> Well that not happening when you tp out of a var region for me 
2014-11-25 21:13 <Abitar> Ad it stays tell you logoff 
2014-11-25 21:15 <misterblue> re-read your email... does sound like there are some inconsistancies
2014-11-25 21:16 <Abitar> like?
2014-11-25 21:16 <misterblue> it doesn't help that the child calcuation is made in several places
2014-11-25 21:16 <Abitar> I dont know i still been deep thining the problem, andcomming up with beter idea what going on. :)
2014-11-25 21:17 <misterblue> the rule should be that the gap between non-seeable regions should be at least the size of the largest varregion you'll be in
2014-11-25 21:19 <BlueWall> Does the viewer just push the region size up if it encounters a larger one then leave it at the highwater mark?
2014-11-25 21:20 <Abitar> THAt would make a mess of grids who want to allow var regions 
2014-11-25 21:23 <misterblue> it doesn't check across all regions... just the regions you're close to
2014-11-25 21:23 <BlueWall> I remember in the LL OGP project, we could see regions very var away if we had visited it.
2014-11-25 21:24 <misterblue> so, if there is one 1kx1k region on a grid with lots of 256m regions, if you never got near the 1k region you won't use the 1k distance
2014-11-25 21:25 <Abitar> what would be near the 1k reagion be? 
2014-11-25 21:25 <misterblue> within 1k of it
2014-11-25 21:26 <misterblue> there is some code that searches for regions around where you TP into
2014-11-25 21:27 <misterblue> I know it doesn't look farther than 8K (max varregion size)
2014-11-25 21:31 <Abitar> so when a region a neigbor?
2014-11-25 21:34 <misterblue> when it is within max(max(regionViewDistance, regionSize), viewerViewDistance)
2014-11-25 21:36 <Abitar> taht what i was figureing 
2014-11-25 21:36 <Abitar> but it does not reflect what I see :|
2014-11-25 21:37 <misterblue> then there be bugs
2014-11-25 21:38 <misterblue> that whole mess of entity transfer code needs a refactor/rewrite but every time I touch it someone complains about some odd little feature that isn't working any more and their scripts/region/grid/life is unworkable
2014-11-25 21:39 <Abitar> Well when does a region look for neighbors , when it restarts? and add them wehn other region say they are?
2014-11-25 21:40 <misterblue> a region looks for its neighbors when it starts... that sends messages to those around it and makes the simulator connection
2014-11-25 21:40 <Abitar> And that how its knows when a new one shows up?
2014-11-25 21:40 <misterblue> that code is different than the TP code which is different than the region cross code so there could be differences between them
2014-11-25 21:40 <misterblue> the new one talks to it
2014-11-25 21:41 <Abitar> ok mmm now I think i understan whats going on then (mostly)
2014-11-25 21:42 <misterblue> if you can nail down a case that isn't working that should, I will look into the code
2014-11-25 21:43 <Abitar> ok it looks like the var region is looking 1 region to far east and finding neighbors
2014-11-25 21:44 <Abitar> and it does not see one on the western eage at same distence
2014-11-25 21:44 <Abitar> both 1 void region away
2014-11-25 21:45 <misterblue> could be off-by-one problem... regions are identified by their south west corner coordinate
2014-11-25 21:46 <Abitar> yeah its seams to be
2014-11-25 21:46 <misterblue> when does it find the extra east neighbor? you notice it on login? only on TP?
2014-11-25 21:46 <Abitar> it shows up when the region reloads (its registers the region then ) 
2014-11-25 21:47 <misterblue> I need to run for a bit... back in a while
2014-11-25 21:48 <Abitar> later thanks for the help 
2014-11-25 23:02 <ox64-p> i keep having this one person that comes to my sim that appears to have connection problems.  I have tried to explain this to her over and over and over, and she refuses to contact her ISP about it.  The reason I say this is because she always getting disconnected from SL, Opensim, always having trouble downloading, etc, etc, etc.   If a person has a crappy connection that keeps dropping out many times over and over in OpenSim...would this cause the sim 
2014-11-25 23:02 <ox64-p> to lock up?  It's like the sim runs fine for a long time until she shows up, and then it starts acting up.  Just curious if it's coincidence or a possible reason behind it happening?
2014-11-25 23:37 <dahlia> ox64-p: what do you mean by "acting up"?
2014-11-25 23:38 <dahlia> anyway justin has been hacking around the network stacks, maybe he knows some good ways to see what's going on. May want to ask when he's online
2014-11-25 23:38 <MarcusLlewellyn> Wifi would be the first thing I'd blame with a person with connection issues like that.
2014-11-25 23:39 <dahlia> ya tell her that you cant put the router near the microwave oven ;)
2014-11-25 23:41 <ox64-p> the opensim becomes non-responsive, can't teleport to it
2014-11-25 23:43 <dahlia> any console messages?
2014-11-25 23:49 <ox64-p> nope
2014-11-26 00:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #3888 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3888: SUCCESS in 5 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3888/
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Temporary hack to disable av to av collisions in bulletsim.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Add experimental job engine to see if queueing some existing async work during root agent entry to a region improves perf rather than always attempting to execute everything concurrently
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Temporarily add root agent rez attachments work to job engine if it is running rather than as a fire and forget.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Add loglevel to jobengine that can be controlled via "debug jobengine loglevel <level>".
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Set ThreadPriority on main scene thread to highest.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Make outboudn and packet inbox handling threads highest priority.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Make BulletSim thread be ThreadPriority.Highest if running
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Improve frame time stability by taking a few unnecessary repeated calculations out of the main scene loop.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: If Bullet is running on its own thread, use a reset event to control timing rather than a sleep.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Fix recent minor regression where the default frame time wasn't being set if there was no startup config section.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Eliminate a few unnecessary calculations in the maintenance loop.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Add "debug lludp throttle set" command to allow setting of parameters at runtime
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: refactor: rename "debug lludp throttle status" to "debug lludp throttle get" to match set command
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: refactor: Move LLUDPServer console commands into their own class.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: minor: Remove compiler warnings from unused fields in TokenBucket
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Add OutgoingPacketsQueuedCount clientstack stat.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: minor: remove compiler warning from OpenProfileClient
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: factor out common throttle setting byte[] array construction in ThrottleTests.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Add regression test TestClientThrottleRegionLimited() for testing simple behaviour of throttles where a region-wide total outbound limit is in place.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: extend TestClientThrottleRegionLimited for 2 clients after testing 1.  Renames to TestSingleClientThrottleRegionLimited()
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: minor: remove warning in BasicHttpAuthentication by commenting out unused remove_me parameter (which looks like it might still be potentially useful for logging)
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Remove compiler warning from UserProfilesHandlers
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: minor: resolve warnings from unused fields in XBakesGet and Post handlers
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: minor: remove compiler warning from unused field in SimulatorFeaturesModule
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: minor: Remove unused field from EntityTransferModule
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: minor: remove warnings from unused fields in LocalGridServicesConnector
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Remove the unnecessary intermediate total token bucket.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Use automatic properties for Parent and TotalDripRequest in TokenBucket to make code analysis easier.  No functional change.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Fix an issue where specifying both max client and server outgoing UDP throttles would cause client throttles to be lower than expected when total requests exceeded the scene limit.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Add an IConfigSource constructor to HGAssetBroker so that it can be instantiated directly for potentially handling some capabilities directly in services with HG active
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: If the port entry in [Network] for a server is missing, then actually tell the user that's the problem rather than simply exiting silently.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: minor: be consistent about reporting errors out of HttpServerBase
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: If JobEngine is active, then use it to copy/rez attachments for an avatar entering the scene that isn't initially logging on.  This will execute tasks consecutively rather than concurrently.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Start JobEngine by default in simulator for now.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Allow GetMesh capability to be served directly by a server like GetTexture
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Just for now, don't alert the user or log if we couldn't change their server-side preferences due to no e-mail address being sent.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Add "show threadpool calls" command to show count of all labelled smartthreadpool calls
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Label all threadpool calls being made in core OpenSimulator.  This is to add problem diagnosis.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Add naive implementation of controlled incoming HG attachments to manage load.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Add "show threadpool calls active" console debug command.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Add missing class from recent commit 69abade
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Add incoming packet async handling engine to queue some inbound udp async requests.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Introduce an IteratingUuidGatherer where each fetch from the asset service (iteration) can be controlled by the caller.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: When processing incoming attachments via HG, if a request for uuid gathering or final asset import takes too long remove remaining requests from same user to prevent hold up of other user's incoming attachments.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Fix issue where llRemoteLoadScriptPin() would treat 0 (the default) as a valid set pin in a destination prim rather than the unset no pin state
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Fix compile error from previous 1d56029848e96016b5809f596619e32d0ebcc995
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Add [BulletSim] option AvatarToAvatarCollisionsByDefault to control whether avatars collide.  This is true by default.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Move conditionals which control whether a task is placed in the JobEngine inside Watchdog.RunJob() (renamed from RunWhenPossible) and generalize them.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Add [Startup] JobEngineEnabled setting that allows the job engine to be disabled for testing purposes if necessary.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Make small adjustment to JobEngine default from previous commit to enable it when [Startup] section is not present (though this is extremely unlikely).
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Change jobengine logging command to "debug jobengine log <int>" rather than loglevel, in common with similar commands.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Fix bug in HG attachment throttling code where attachments were never rezzed on any teleport within a foreign grid after the first.
2014-11-26 00:14 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Fix ghosts copy of SimulatorFeatureModule to enable logging.
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2014-11-26 00:21 <smxy> what kicked that off? I don't see any commit messages.
2014-11-26 00:23 <justincc> merge of ghosts to master.  I temporarily disabled commit messages to stop massive spam
2014-11-26 00:23 <BlueWall> cool
2014-11-26 00:24 <BlueWall> just pulled here and wow!
2014-11-26 00:24 <smxy> Aha. Are you done, or should I hold off on building yet?
2014-11-26 00:24 <AllenKerensky> incoming awesome!
2014-11-26 00:24 <justincc> I'm done
2014-11-26 00:24 <smxy> Sweet.
2014-11-26 00:24 <justincc> tbh, although av mvmt is smoother and hg should be better, you probably won't notice much unless you're running hundreds of avatars
2014-11-26 00:24 <smxy> I'm going to go see what goodness there is in the log from hat pull. :)
2014-11-26 00:24 <justincc> and even then, there is that potential problem with adaptive_throttles to look at, where we simply turned it off during the conference
2014-11-26 00:25 <smxy> With more people using it, things will shake out, hopefully.
2014-11-26 00:25 <justincc> exactly.  there's more work I wanted to do but I got it to the point where I could merge without obvious regressions
2014-11-26 00:25 <justincc> like avatars suddenly becoming phantom and that hg attachments after first teleport disappearance
2014-11-26 00:26 <diva> justincc did you get to undo the HG attachs bug?
2014-11-26 00:26 <justincc> diva: yes, I fixed it.  I had introduced it in one of my very last changes
2014-11-26 00:26 <diva> ok cool
2014-11-26 00:27 <nebadon_laptop> did you merge ghosts to master?
2014-11-26 00:28 <justincc> yes, done
2014-11-26 00:28 <justincc> just writing a few e-mails now
2014-11-26 00:28 <nebadon_laptop> ok i guesss cia failed?
2014-11-26 00:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #3889 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-26 00:28 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: no I temporarily removed it to stop us being spammed to death
2014-11-26 00:28 <justincc> as you can see, it's back now
2014-11-26 00:28 <nebadon_laptop> oh ok i thouught maybe it just got overwhelmed or something
2014-11-26 00:29 <smxy> lol "hoping to avoid a flogging" :)
2014-11-26 00:29 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: so please feel free to update conf to master now, though you might want to wait a bit to see if I've made any obvious stupid boo-boos
2014-11-26 00:29 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-11-26 00:29 <nebadon_laptop> i can do my local grid first
2014-11-26 00:29 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: or you could update and tell me what those boo-boos are :)
2014-11-26 00:29 <nebadon_laptop> KeyGruin / danbanner probably want to update Lbsa and Wright Plaza asap
2014-11-26 00:29 <justincc> I don't anticipate really doing anything more to the ghosts branch now unless I need to do a comaprative test of something
2014-11-26 00:30 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-11-26 00:30 <nebadon_laptop> its easy to switch
2014-11-26 00:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3889: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3889/
2014-11-26 00:32 <osjenkins> bluewall: Fix whitespace hoping to avoid a flogging
2014-11-26 00:32 <justincc> heh,. thanks BlueWall
2014-11-26 00:32 <BlueWall> :)
2014-11-26 00:33 <BlueWall> I need to config my Monodevelop. I think it defaults to K&R styling.
2014-11-26 00:34 <BlueWall> I would really get it if I pushed that sort of thing up.
2014-11-26 00:34 <nebadon_laptop> I finally found a nice USB wireless adapter for linux
2014-11-26 00:34 <smxy> Nothing wrong with K&R. :)
2014-11-26 00:34 <smxy> Of course, I used to work for/with them, so I'm somewhat biased. :)
2014-11-26 00:35 <BlueWall> Haa, good deal.
2014-11-26 00:35 <nebadon_laptop> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320209&cm_re=USB-AC56-_-33-320-209-_-Product
2014-11-26 00:35 <nebadon_laptop> https://github.com/gnab/rtl8812au
2014-11-26 00:35 <BlueWall> nice
2014-11-26 00:36 <nebadon_laptop> im so sick of wifi in linux
2014-11-26 00:36 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-26 00:36 <nebadon_laptop> what a pain in the ass
2014-11-26 00:36 <justincc> I've never had much of a problem with wifi on linux
2014-11-26 00:37 <nebadon_laptop> i tried the linux driver that asus offers
2014-11-26 00:37 <nebadon_laptop> and my machine wouldnt boot up after i did
2014-11-26 00:37 <justincc> I find the tp-link stuff to be pretty good
2014-11-26 00:37 <justincc> nice generic cheap wifi stuff
2014-11-26 00:37 <BlueWall> I've just needed to download that package for OpenSuse for the notebook.
2014-11-26 00:37 <nebadon_laptop> my laptop one works great
2014-11-26 00:37 <nebadon_laptop> the built in one
2014-11-26 00:37 <nebadon_laptop> but so far ive had little luck with USB adapters
2014-11-26 00:38 <nebadon_laptop> i have 3 of them that just will not ever work in linux
2014-11-26 00:38 <nebadon_laptop> for a few months ive been using my cell phone USB tether to the wifi to get it online
2014-11-26 00:38 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-26 00:38 <nebadon_laptop> couldnt take it anymore
2014-11-26 00:38 <BlueWall> ha
2014-11-26 00:39 <BlueWall> I dont' understand hardware mfgrs that make their products w/o Linux support.
2014-11-26 00:39 <BlueWall> maybe they're too lazy?
2014-11-26 00:40 <nebadon_laptop> im sure they get friends with benefits when they visit with microsoft
2014-11-26 00:40 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-26 00:40 <BlueWall> probably the whole thing in a nutshell
2014-11-26 00:41 <smxy> Yeah, they have a relationship, but we're the ones who get <censored>.
2014-11-26 00:41 <BlueWall> I have an M-Audio Delta 1010LT that has always run great in Linux.
2014-11-26 00:41 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2014-11-26 00:41 <nebadon_laptop> m-audio is very linux friendly
2014-11-26 00:41 <BlueWall> That is a pretty good audio adapter and they had no problem supporting Linux.
2014-11-26 00:42 <BlueWall> There is no excuse for anyone else.
2014-11-26 00:42 <nebadon_laptop> creative labs has always been vestigial microsoft arm
2014-11-26 00:43 <nebadon_laptop> belkin, logitech
2014-11-26 00:43 <smxy> Compared to Windows, I think the Linux Desktop market share is still pretty small. Maybe not big enough for anyone to bother.
2014-11-26 00:44 <BlueWall> When it is, then the community needs to remember :)
2014-11-26 00:44 <nebadon_laptop> asus has been great
2014-11-26 00:44 <nebadon_laptop> like everything i use now is asus
2014-11-26 00:44 <BlueWall> yes
2014-11-26 00:49 <smxy> oooooh, it's supposed to snow here tomorrow and I'm predicted to get 15-18". 
2014-11-26 00:49 <smxy> I'll probably get 2". :)
2014-11-26 00:50 <nebadon_laptop> looking at mono github
2014-11-26 00:50 <nebadon_laptop> it looks like the code grab has begun
2014-11-26 00:50 <BlueWall> http://imgur.com/gallery/PK18R
2014-11-26 00:50 <justincc> yeah, merge from ms stuff?
2014-11-26 00:51 <nebadon_laptop> possibly yes
2014-11-26 00:51 <justincc> I also hard on their ml they are gearing up for their next release
2014-11-26 00:51 <nebadon_laptop> https://github.com/mono/mono/commit/c7405e6ca0b5749433c9c7acd49a5a8521ed9094
2014-11-26 00:51 <BlueWall> I'll have to keep soem VM handy for testing
2014-11-26 00:51 <nebadon_laptop> https://github.com/mono/mono/commit/1e60e2868fbba158f22e7f552c907a30548332d0
2014-11-26 00:52 <nebadon_laptop> https://github.com/mono/mono/commit/93b6e5fbee67a1dc8411ca596949ee0000bd288b
2014-11-26 00:52 <nebadon_laptop> just a couple
2014-11-26 00:52 <nebadon_laptop> maybe a few more
2014-11-26 00:52 <justincc> their plan is to do the obvious and easy stuff first, then look at the other stuff, with bits that won't ever get merged where they already are considered to work well in mono or are multi-platform
2014-11-26 00:55 <nebadon_laptop> yea hopefully nothing drastic too fast
2014-11-26 00:56 <nebadon_laptop> i wonder if they still plan to drop .net 4.0
2014-11-26 00:56 <BlueWall> As long as it builds Hello! World.
2014-11-26 00:56 <nebadon_laptop> i thought that was supposed to happen already
2014-11-26 00:56 <justincc> mono doesn't do specific .net versions
2014-11-26 00:56 <justincc> and I hardly think they would drop something as modern as 4.0 support.  1.0 perhaps
2014-11-26 00:57 <BlueWall> They said something about that a few weeks ago
2014-11-26 00:57 <smxy> yes, dropping 4.0
2014-11-26 00:57 <smxy> in the release after 3.10
2014-11-26 00:58 <BlueWall> Because I was wondering if we need to bump the prebuild.xml to v4_5
2014-11-26 00:58 <BlueWall> looks like recent Ubuntu is stable for mono
2014-11-26 00:59 <justincc> do you have any links?  I know we dsicused it at time but I don't remember in what form
2014-11-26 00:59 <BlueWall> it might be worth taking a look at that.
2014-11-26 00:59 <BlueWall> 1 sec and I'll see.
2014-11-26 01:00 <justincc> might have been just irc
2014-11-26 01:01 <nebadon_laptop> ya they said after 3.10 but i have tested 3.12.1 and it still has it
2014-11-26 01:02 <BlueWall> http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/mono-devel-list/2014-October/042147.html
2014-11-26 01:03 <nebadon_laptop> i think 2.0 is gone now
2014-11-26 01:03 <BlueWall> this one - http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/mono-devel-list/2014-October/042145.html
2014-11-26 01:03 <nebadon_laptop> but not 4.0 yet
2014-11-26 01:03 <smxy> that would be next, I bet
2014-11-26 01:03 <BlueWall> We are also going to remove the .NET 4.0 reference assemblies as they are
2014-11-26 01:03 <BlueWall> of dubious usefulness.   They are merely there to allow developers using
2014-11-26 01:03 <BlueWall> Mono to build binaries that would work on .NET 4.0 systems that lack .NET
2014-11-26 01:03 <BlueWall> 4.5.
2014-11-26 01:03 <nebadon_laptop> fun heh
2014-11-26 01:03 <justincc> looking at the thread, this seems more to be about removing .net 2.0 explicit support tbh
2014-11-26 01:03 <justincc> where that differs from what you have in 4.0
2014-11-26 01:04 <nebadon_laptop> read second email
2014-11-26 01:04 <nebadon_laptop> pretty explicit
2014-11-26 01:04 <smxy> yes
2014-11-26 01:04 <justincc> what, http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/mono-devel-list/2014-October/042149.html ?
2014-11-26 01:05 <smxy> 042145
2014-11-26 01:05 <nebadon_laptop> oh sorry
2014-11-26 01:05 <nebadon_laptop> i meant the second link bluewall posted
2014-11-26 01:05 <nebadon_laptop> http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/mono-devel-list/2014-October/042145.html
2014-11-26 01:06 <BlueWall> It says "4.0 reference assemblies", So I'm not sure what that is. Probably not build tools?
2014-11-26 01:07 <justincc> I don't think this is a big issue.  We simply do what we do now and don't use .net 4.5 features
2014-11-26 01:07 <BlueWall> being on 4.5 wouldn't be a bad thing though I gyess
2014-11-26 01:07 <justincc> we don't build against reference assemblies anyway afaik
2014-11-26 01:11 <BlueWall> justincc, in your email about the stability/linux kernel : "Ubuntu 10.10 has Linux kernel 3.16 but still with Mono 3.2.8." I think I was on the 3.16 kernel.
2014-11-26 01:11 <justincc> right, I meant 14.10
2014-11-26 01:12 <justincc> this is what I read on the web, I haven't updated any of my machines to 14.10 yet though I will
2014-11-26 01:12 <BlueWall> Have you been running on 3.16?
2014-11-26 01:12 <justincc> no, I'm still 14.04
2014-11-26 01:12 <BlueWall> That is Ubunto rev.?
2014-11-26 01:12 <justincc> yes
2014-11-26 01:12 <BlueWall> ahh, ok
2014-11-26 01:13 <justincc> ubuntu is pretty conservative about mono versions and I don't blame them, tbh
2014-11-26 01:13 <justincc> or maybe it's debian
2014-11-26 01:13 <nebadon_laptop> probably debian
2014-11-26 01:13 <BlueWall> mono version didn't make any difference in this case.
2014-11-26 01:13 <BlueWall> Debain
2014-11-26 01:14 <BlueWall> Heh, Stahlman told them to stop packaging Mono.
2014-11-26 01:15 <BlueWall> Suse has slacked off on Mono updates. I filed a report about the crashes with the. They pretty much said it wasn't their problem and assigned the bug to me.
2014-11-26 01:15 <justincc> lol, you're a suse dev now? :)
2014-11-26 01:16 <BlueWall> I'm not really sure what that means - maybe their way to tell me to go screw myself. lol
2014-11-26 01:16 <justincc> maybe I should try that....
2014-11-26 01:16 <BlueWall> They said it runs "Hello! World." just fine.
2014-11-26 01:16 <pinklloyd> is the current github repo passing? building?
2014-11-26 01:16 <justincc> what more do you need?
2014-11-26 01:17 <pinklloyd> pardon me please
2014-11-26 01:17 <justincc> github repo?
2014-11-26 01:17 <BlueWall> I need it to run "Hello! VirtualWorld."
2014-11-26 01:17 <justincc> BlueWall: :)
2014-11-26 01:17 <pinklloyd> github master
2014-11-26 01:17 <justincc> http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/
2014-11-26 01:17 <pinklloyd> their's only one actually
2014-11-26 01:18 <pinklloyd> opensim/opensim
2014-11-26 01:18 <justincc> github is just a mirror, it's not the main hosting for opensim code
2014-11-26 01:18 <justincc> but as a mirror, answer should be yes, it does build
2014-11-26 01:18 <justincc> and pass
2014-11-26 01:19 <pinklloyd> o mi
2014-11-26 01:19 <pinklloyd> oh so it's the same now correct?
2014-11-26 01:20 <justincc> it is up to date.  As the description says in github. it mirrors every 10 mins
2014-11-26 01:21 <justincc> I have a huge number of commits yesterday because I rebased the ghosts branch before merging, so that people could go back to before the merge for testing if necessary
2014-11-26 01:22 <pinklloyd> and the varregion branch? is it included now or still a branch
2014-11-26 01:22 <justincc> that was long ago merged
2014-11-26 01:23 <pinklloyd> oh ok sorry, been a while since I compiled one, guess that's obvious
2014-11-26 01:23 <pinklloyd> hehe
2014-11-26 01:23 <justincc> no worries, obvious to us but not to others :)
2014-11-26 01:24 <pinklloyd> others hmm, me afraid of those types... ;)
2014-11-26 01:25 <pinklloyd> actually i've done this about once every 3-6 months for years...
2014-11-26 01:25 <BlueWall> :)
2014-11-26 01:25 <justincc> wouldn't it be easier to use a release?
2014-11-26 01:25 <pinklloyd> what's that
2014-11-26 01:25 <pinklloyd> lol
2014-11-26 01:26 <pinklloyd> i guess but not really
2014-11-26 01:26 <pinklloyd> I get in on the good stuff
2014-11-26 01:26 <BlueWall> It'sd not as fun, eh?
2014-11-26 01:26 <pinklloyd> true dat
2014-11-26 01:26 <pinklloyd> hey, anyone get the new singularity viewer running connected fine?
2014-11-26 01:27 <BlueWall> new?
2014-11-26 01:27 <pinklloyd> well as of september
2014-11-26 01:28 <BlueWall> I downloaded one today and ran it.
2014-11-26 01:28 <BlueWall> Linux/64bitsd
2014-11-26 01:28 <pinklloyd> oh and how did that go?
2014-11-26 01:28 <BlueWall> really well.
2014-11-26 01:28 <pinklloyd> you dl'ed the source?
2014-11-26 01:28 <BlueWall> I normally run Firestorm, but voice doesn't work for me on that.
2014-11-26 01:29 <BlueWall> No a pre-built one
2014-11-26 01:29 <BlueWall> I hvae Firestorm source, but haven't built it 
2014-11-26 01:30 <pinklloyd> I need a viewer I can modify the UI...
2014-11-26 01:30 <BlueWall> Have you seen the stuff Diva is working on?
2014-11-26 01:30 <LiruCookies> pinklloyd: What's wrong with singularity?
2014-11-26 01:31 <BlueWall> I'm not sure it's released yet, or docs on the backend.
2014-11-26 01:31 <pinklloyd> no I haven't seen Diva's stuff
2014-11-26 01:31 <LiruCookies> What, OnLook?
2014-11-26 01:31 <BlueWall> yes
2014-11-26 01:32 <LiruCookies> It's not integrated into mainline Singularity yet.
2014-11-26 01:32 <BlueWall> OK, probably too early to look into that, then.
2014-11-26 01:33 <pinklloyd> yea found it
2014-11-26 01:33 <pinklloyd> https://github.com/diva/OnLook
2014-11-26 01:37 <pinklloyd> is it a Windows build or *nix only?
2014-11-26 01:38 <BlueWall> I gues they have windows binaries.
2014-11-26 01:38 <BlueWall> keep an eye on that though if you need to change the ui, because you can do it in the simulator per/region
2014-11-26 01:40 <pinklloyd> you mean in the configuration on the server or simulator?
2014-11-26 01:40 <BlueWall> in the simulator
2014-11-26 01:40 <pinklloyd> change viewer ui options?
2014-11-26 01:40 <BlueWall> yes
2014-11-26 01:40 <BlueWall> simulaotr mondules in core now.
2014-11-26 01:41 <pinklloyd> uh when did this happen?
2014-11-26 01:41 <BlueWall> last week?
2014-11-26 01:41 <pinklloyd> really
2014-11-26 01:41 <pinklloyd> lol
2014-11-26 01:41 <smxy> That's what works with OnLook.
2014-11-26 01:41 <pinklloyd> your joking right
2014-11-26 01:41 <BlueWall> lolo, no
2014-11-26 01:41 <smxy> The server can reconfigure the viewer UI.
2014-11-26 01:41 <pinklloyd> oh snap
2014-11-26 01:41 <smxy> It's pretty cool.
2014-11-26 01:41 <pinklloyd> now we're talking!!!!!
2014-11-26 01:42 <BlueWall> She needed a "Tourist" viewer for work. So they have been working on that.
2014-11-26 01:42 <BlueWall> I think ther's a demo setup somewhere for it.
2014-11-26 01:42 <smxy> Heh. I thought Researchers didn't have to work. They get grants. :P
2014-11-26 01:42 <pinklloyd> i need, i need...
2014-11-26 01:42 <smxy> <ducks>
2014-11-26 01:42 <BlueWall> Hopefully some examples and docs will follow.
2014-11-26 01:42 <MarcusLlewellyn> It's really cool stuff. But I'd be careful about diving into it yet. My impression was that diva intends to do some really massive changes. What's in there now was mostly proof of concept.
2014-11-26 01:43 <pinklloyd> are the windows binaries included?
2014-11-26 01:44 <pinklloyd> or is it passing build?
2014-11-26 01:44 <LiruCookies> Yeah, the work might get rather large from here on in
2014-11-26 01:44 <smxy> It's part of core and core builds.
2014-11-26 01:44 <MarcusLlewellyn> Diva has windows binaries of the OnLook viewer at her blog.
2014-11-26 01:44 <smxy> And Mac :)
2014-11-26 01:44 <BlueWall> http://opensim-dev.2196679.n2.nabble.com/OnLook-viewer-and-opensim-support-modules-td7579715.html
2014-11-26 01:45 <LiruCookies> If you want to build it for linux64, you can http://www.singularityviewer.org/kb/build-linux
2014-11-26 01:45 <BlueWall> Demo: http://metaverseink.com/blog/?p=566
2014-11-26 01:50 <pinklloyd> now that is some kewl stuff.. thank you!
2014-11-26 01:50 <pinklloyd> i gotta try
2014-11-26 01:53 <pinklloyd> and vivox? bulletsim? both working?
2014-11-26 01:53 <BlueWall> yes
2014-11-26 01:53 <pinklloyd> sweet
2014-11-26 02:02 <pinklloyd> Thanks for your help BlueWall!
2014-11-26 02:03 <smxy> Wait until you get his bill. :)
2014-11-26 02:24 <BlueWall> Haha
2014-11-26 03:17 <dahlia> so ever since I migrated my home test grid to a external server, I get this message "Unable to find body part named Undershirt in database." whenever I do anything related to appearance. I've tried replacing full outfits and creating all new parts and wearing all kinds of undershirts but nothing seems to fix it although my appearance seems to look fine. I'm guessing I may need to do some sql to fixit. Anyone have an idea which table I should look at?
2014-11-26 03:17 <dahlia> it's a standard robust grid
2014-11-26 03:24 <nebadon_laptop> check your current outfit folder
2014-11-26 03:24 <nebadon_laptop> you may have a bad link
2014-11-26 03:24 <nebadon_laptop> ive seen this happen before you just have to delete the bad item in that folder
2014-11-26 03:24 <nebadon_laptop> replacing outfit wont do it
2014-11-26 03:27 <dahlia> yay! tyvm :)
2014-11-26 03:27 <dahlia> ya was in there
2014-11-26 03:27 <dahlia> I never thought to look there because I dont use the save to viewer 2 folder feature in appearance
2014-11-26 03:30 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2014-11-26 03:48 <smxy> Super Nebadon saves the Damsel in Distress!
2014-11-26 03:48 <smxy> :p
2014-11-26 04:50 <MarcusLlewellyn> If a 2048x2048 texture refuses to fully rez, is there some way I can determine whether the fault lies with the viewer or the simulator?
2014-11-26 04:51 <smxy> I think the fault lies with whomever decided to use a texture that big, heh.
2014-11-26 04:52 <MarcusLlewellyn> I did, and it's on a very large object.
2014-11-26 04:52 <nebadon_laptop> there is a way to view the texture queue
2014-11-26 04:52 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yes, and it doesn't seem to stall. It just stops.
2014-11-26 04:53 <MarcusLlewellyn> If I view the texture from inventory, it finally fully rezzes.
2014-11-26 04:53 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yes, I could use 4 1024 images. But that's no less memory, and less efficient from a rez/download perspective.
2014-11-26 04:53 <MarcusLlewellyn> I'm not doing something crazy here. Heh.
2014-11-26 04:55 <nebadon_laptop> yea i dont see why one of those would be problematic
2014-11-26 04:55 <nebadon_laptop> 100s yes
2014-11-26 04:55 <nebadon_laptop> used sparingly shouldnt be problematic
2014-11-26 04:55 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yeah, I'm not spamming the region with 2048's. Heh. Just on two large objects.
2014-11-26 05:18 <dahlia> zoom in really close and right click?
2014-11-26 05:24 <MarcusLlewellyn> Hehe. Yeah, tried that. Nada. And I can't expect every visitor to do that.
2014-11-26 05:25 <nebadon_laptop> ya personally i would go with more texture faces and use 1024's
2014-11-26 05:25 <MarcusLlewellyn> I'm thinking up workarounds already. I'll play with my UV map.
2014-11-26 05:25 <nebadon_laptop> if your expecting a good default setting experience
2014-11-26 05:26 <MarcusLlewellyn> More faces kinda defeats the purpose... I'm trying to stay as low poly as I can get.
2014-11-26 05:27 <MarcusLlewellyn> I got the main part of LBSA done, and it has fewer vertices than a single sculpt map does.
2014-11-26 05:27 <MarcusLlewellyn> I'm depending on materials to bolster details, and there in lies the rub with texture sizes.
2014-11-26 05:28 <MarcusLlewellyn> But I have ideas on how to deal with it without adding geometry.
2014-11-26 05:30 <dahlia> polys are cheap these days except for maybe animated meshes
2014-11-26 05:30 <dahlia> like rigged meshes
2014-11-26 05:30 <MarcusLlewellyn> My thinking here is to keep the "stage" lightweight. Let the objects that wind up filling it use those cheap polys.
2014-11-26 05:31 <dahlia> actually more smaller polys may actually render faster because they are less likely to occupy a lot of off-screen area
2014-11-26 05:31 <MarcusLlewellyn> LBSA isn't normally slow. Not until it has 20 avatars in it. I can't make those 20 avatars lighter, but I can make their enviroment more efficient.
2014-11-26 05:32 <dahlia> ya but the environment renders fast
2014-11-26 05:33 <dahlia> well modern cards shouldn't have trouble with a few 2k textures
2014-11-26 05:34 <dahlia> many 2k, yes, but not a few
2014-11-26 05:35 <MarcusLlewellyn> Skyrim mods are chock full of 4096s. Hehe. I mean like, on everything. 
2014-11-26 05:36 <dahlia> ya well mods are usually non-pro :P
2014-11-26 05:36 <MarcusLlewellyn> I'm gonna do this with a single 1024. I will lose some variety in the environment, but if that's what works, that's what works.
2014-11-26 05:38 <MarcusLlewellyn> I'm can still get something that looks like this, I think: http://i.imgur.com/U2yJzXl.jpg
2014-11-26 05:50 <dahlia> MarcusLlewellyn: you making a new lbsa?
2014-11-26 05:54 <MarcusLlewellyn> Not in any official capacity. But yeah.
2014-11-26 05:59 <MarcusLlewellyn> And if I'm gonna make efficiency a byword, I really should shutup about 2048 textures. They worked fine in the past, so I thought I could use them here. I can't. That's frustrating. I'll get over it. :)
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2014-11-26 15:14 <pinklloyd> hope everyone has a Great Thanksgiving!
2014-11-26 15:15 <BlueWall> Thanks! Same to you & yours.
2014-11-26 15:16 <pinklloyd> guess that's sort of a US thing huh..
2014-11-26 15:16 <BlueWall> I guess so.
2014-11-26 15:20 <AllenKerensky> different countries have their specific thanksgivings at different times
2014-11-26 15:21 <AllenKerensky> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving#Observance
2014-11-26 15:28 <diva> Jessica_Lyon: I found another bug affecting all viewers, and I have suggestions to fix it: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-7912
2014-11-26 15:34 <diva> the Linden viewer is network-happy. It loves to send traffic over the Internet. Packets, yoohoo!
2014-11-26 16:14 <pinklloyd> ur funny
2014-11-26 16:14 <pinklloyd> a bit of a geek but funny... ;)
2014-11-26 16:15 <pinklloyd> been checking out this onlook.... very kewl stuff..
2014-11-26 16:15 <pinklloyd> so what we needed yesterday
2014-11-26 16:16 <pinklloyd> or yesteryear
2014-11-26 16:16 <diva> yes, thanks. Hopefully we'll do something even more radical sometime soo
2014-11-26 16:16 <diva> soon
2014-11-26 16:16 <pinklloyd> i'd love to know what you have in mind
2014-11-26 16:17 <pinklloyd> have you been toying with realxtend any?
2014-11-26 16:17 <pinklloyd> and the Qt framework?
2014-11-26 16:17 <pinklloyd> ok so off the subject i know but...
2014-11-26 16:20 <diva> we've talked about embeding a JavaScript engine in the viewer, and designing a decent API for viewer functions to be used by JS code. That's the current plan.
2014-11-26 20:16 <pinklloyd> is OSgrid still down?
2014-11-26 20:16 <pinklloyd> oh I C
2014-11-26 20:19 <pinklloyd> djphil what's up?
2014-11-26 20:19 <pinklloyd> long time...
2014-11-26 20:19 <pinklloyd> no see
2014-11-26 22:24 <nebadon_laptop> I think Mono 4.0 is imminent,master git just got tagged as 3.99.0
2014-11-26 22:32 <BlueWall> :)
2014-11-26 22:56 <smxy> Sweet.
2014-11-26 22:57 <smxy> Of course, if they go like this project, it'll take them several years to get there. :) 3.99.001, 3.99.002, ...
2014-11-26 23:07 <dahlia> they asymptotically approach 4.0 as we asymptotically approach beta
2014-11-26 23:15 <smxy> Oh, dahlia, you missed the discussion a few months ago. There is no plan to ever label this beta.  It's not alpha now, either. It just is what it is. 
2014-11-26 23:17 <AllenKerensky> Asymptotically Approaching Beta sounds like a cool band name or t-shirt design idea
2014-11-26 23:17 <dahlia> smxy: last I heard was maybe a year ago when diva was trying to convince justin that it should go beta for the first conference but justin vetoed
2014-11-26 23:18 <smxy> I brought it up in the ML a few months back and it was discussed again.
2014-11-26 23:18 <dahlia> ah dont remember
2014-11-26 23:18 <smxy> In there and here.
2014-11-26 23:18 <dahlia> I kinda like perpetual alpha :)
2014-11-26 23:19 <smxy> I, personally, think it makes the project look like a joke, but I'm not one of the developers. *shrug*
2014-11-26 23:20 <smxy> I'll keep using it though, regardless how I think it looks, because of how it *works*. :)
2014-11-26 23:20 <dahlia> the way I see it is... if nobody pays me to contribute then I work on what *I* want, not what they want :P
2014-11-26 23:21 <BlueWall> dahlia, they don't give you groceries, gas, internet services, etc. around your town for being an opensim developer?
2014-11-26 23:21 <smxy> :)
2014-11-26 23:21 <dahlia> are you kidding?
2014-11-26 23:22 <BlueWall> They wanted to make me Mayor here, but I told them it would cut into my R&D time :)
2014-11-26 23:22 <BlueWall> lol
2014-11-26 23:22 <dahlia> lol
2014-11-26 23:22 <smxy> ha
2014-11-26 23:22 <MarcusLlewellyn> I give hugs. C'mere. HUUUGGGS!
2014-11-26 23:22 <dahlia> ya but you live in a one person town 
2014-11-26 23:22 <dahlia> ;)
2014-11-26 23:23 <BlueWall> I remember when Teravus made the stick men avatars for Aprif Fools day and some of those people came with pitchforks and axes after him, lol.
2014-11-26 23:23 <smxy> I give something else that begins with an 'h'. :)
2014-11-26 23:23 <BlueWall> Haaa, I live about 5-6 miles out of town.
2014-11-26 23:23 <smxy> That would be 'help', btw. :)
2014-11-26 23:24 <BlueWall> I would vote for us to go "Beta" if we had region border crossings with vehicles.
2014-11-26 23:25 <dahlia> took SL 8 years to get that to work
2014-11-26 23:25 <BlueWall> Yeah, but that team works for money, not passion.
2014-11-26 23:25 <MarcusLlewellyn> And a contract with Intel, I think. ;)
2014-11-26 23:27 <dahlia> I never had a passion for opensim, I just contribute some stuff I do with it. I did have a bit of a passion for parametric geometry when I did the prim stuff tho
2014-11-26 23:27 <BlueWall> Glad you did :)
2014-11-26 23:27 <dahlia> :)
2014-11-26 23:28 <smxy> Well, that's in the code dump from Mel as I recall. The one that never was completed, due to illness, and the divide between Core and Avination growing too big. She can't do it herself she said, and would require help. Dunno if she ever got any, so my guess - though I could be totally wrong - is that we'll never see that completed.
2014-11-26 23:29 <dahlia> I think a few people were helping her
2014-11-26 23:29 <BlueWall> Robert Adams has worked on it. I believe that he has been looking at it recently to see a path forward. Don't hold me to that, but I think that is the state of it.
2014-11-26 23:30 <dahlia> I kinda think the grid concept is a bit overrated since we have both megaregions and varregions
2014-11-26 23:30 <diva> vehicles crossing borders is a completely overrated feature in opensim at this point...
2014-11-26 23:31 <BlueWall> Bahh, we need a few other things too. Maybe we can talk about it early next year.
2014-11-26 23:31 <BlueWall> diva, it is in SL too ATM.
2014-11-26 23:32 <dahlia> see? diva and I both type "overrated" in 2 consecutive unrelated messages and the characters line up vertically. It must be true :)
2014-11-26 23:32 <BlueWall> It is very hard to go more than a few regions before they hang you up.
2014-11-26 23:32 <dahlia> ITS A SIGN FROM ABOVE
2014-11-26 23:32 <NickyP> IMO the opensim software is way past alpha but, opensim as a system cannot be anything but alpha
2014-11-26 23:32 <BlueWall> haha
2014-11-26 23:32 <smxy> Not everyone wants to run mega-gigantic varreggions though. So border crossings are still needed.
2014-11-26 23:32 <diva> lol
2014-11-26 23:33 <BlueWall> 3x3 vars seem ok
2014-11-26 23:33 <smxy> yes. I love 768s
2014-11-26 23:33 <smxy> They are "just right".
2014-11-26 23:33 <BlueWall> people have to know, though, that whatever they put in a var region should be no more than they would put in a standalone instance.
2014-11-26 23:34 <diva> 3x3 is the new 1x1
2014-11-26 23:34 <BlueWall> Var regions are not some magic pill that let's you pull rabbits out of a hat.
2014-11-26 23:34 <dahlia> they arent? :(
2014-11-26 23:34 <smxy> I think people look at it and say "I can put in it whatever I would in the number of 256s that will fit in this.
2014-11-26 23:34 <smxy> "
2014-11-26 23:34 <BlueWall> lol, you're been in the office hours Dahlia.
2014-11-26 23:35 <dahlia> I have? :((
2014-11-26 23:35 <smxy> "hat", Bluewall? I was thinking lower. :)
2014-11-26 23:35 <dahlia> jk, I kinda like disrupting office hours :)
2014-11-26 23:35 <BlueWall> yeah, 10X10 means 100X40K prims, 100X60 Avatars.
2014-11-26 23:36 <BlueWall> Can you tell me why it lags?
2014-11-26 23:36 <BlueWall> lol
2014-11-26 23:36 <ox64-p> <smxy> Not everyone wants to run mega-gigantic varreggions though. So border crossings are still needed.  <--- only reason i dont run them is because the wiki says scarey things about it :(
2014-11-26 23:36 <BlueWall> dahlia the technology disrupter
2014-11-26 23:36 <dahlia> because it was cursed by the great god Lagos 
2014-11-26 23:37 <ox64-p> and i alreayd have enough problems with the simulators locking up or stop responding 
2014-11-26 23:37 <BlueWall> Var regions? ox64-p
2014-11-26 23:37 <diva> I don't run anything other than var regions
2014-11-26 23:37 <MarcusLlewellyn> So far as I know, the only quirk vars still have is dealing with neighbors. Otherwise they seem damn solid.
2014-11-26 23:37 <BlueWall> I have one and it is great
2014-11-26 23:37 <smxy> scary? just make them square and only put like-sized vars next to each other and you're good. Unless yu try to drive over the border. :)
2014-11-26 23:37 <BlueWall> not much content on it but it is very stable
2014-11-26 23:38 <BlueWall> teleports are awesome within the grid or Hg to other places from it.
2014-11-26 23:38 <BlueWall> Can't really tell any difference - other than I can's see all the way across it because my draw distince is set pretty low.
2014-11-26 23:38 <ox64-p> but i found something i need to try to see if it remedies the problem, id ont know how i overlooked this the first time installed opensim...it's about the ...crap i can't find it now...setting something that started with env
2014-11-26 23:39 <NickyP> BlueWall do you come home after the HG tp correctly?
2014-11-26 23:39 <dahlia> teleports seem to work pretty well in my itty bitty gridlet :)
2014-11-26 23:39 <ox64-p> Bluewall yes: i dont run the large regions
2014-11-26 23:39 <BlueWall> NickyP, I look it up on the man and jump
2014-11-26 23:39 <smxy> I use an LM to my home region, to get back from other grids.
2014-11-26 23:39 <BlueWall> I guess a 98% success rate.
2014-11-26 23:39 <dahlia> I ctrl-shift-H 
2014-11-26 23:40 <ox64-p> 98%? wow, wished i could say the same
2014-11-26 23:40 <ox64-p> i have to restart regions and the grid just aobut every day now
2014-11-26 23:40 <dahlia> for a while there I couldnt tp to any grid-local regions after coming back from hg but it seems to be working now. dunno why :/
2014-11-26 23:40 <BlueWall> dahlia, I have issues with that atm, but I think it is something left from my past couple of weeks of crashing here.
2014-11-26 23:40 <smxy> I have two LMs actually. One to a 256 and one to my var. That way I can get back from anywhere.
2014-11-26 23:40 <BlueWall> ox64-p, what OS?
2014-11-26 23:40 <ox64-p> Ubuntu 14.04 64-bit
2014-11-26 23:41 <BlueWall> Can you put an older kernel on it?
2014-11-26 23:41 <ox64-p> no idea
2014-11-26 23:41 <ox64-p> wouldn't know how
2014-11-26 23:41 <BlueWall> I had a very bad experience here after upgrading to OpenSuSE 13.2 
2014-11-26 23:41 <dahlia> isnt it 14.10 that has the questionable kernel?
2014-11-26 23:41 <NickyP> once when I tried to come home by another tp I was not restored to  normal user
2014-11-26 23:41 <BlueWall> yes
2014-11-26 23:42 <ox64-p> 14.10 or 14.04?
2014-11-26 23:42 <BlueWall> 1 sec ox64-p
2014-11-26 23:42 <dahlia> sometimes if I try to hg tp and it fails when I reappear Im not wearing any attachments
2014-11-26 23:42 <ox64-p> im running 14.04 LTS
2014-11-26 23:43 <ox64-p> Linux 3.15.4-x86_64-linode45 on x86_64
2014-11-26 23:43 <BlueWall> https://bugzilla.xamarin.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24755
2014-11-26 23:43 <BlueWall> OpenSuse 13.1 runs very solid.
2014-11-26 23:44 <dahlia> I have 3.10.23-xxxx-std-ipv6-64 (whatever that is)
2014-11-26 23:44 <BlueWall> http://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=906714
2014-11-26 23:44 <BlueWall> 3.11.10-21
2014-11-26 23:44 <ox64-p> hmm haven't seen any behavior like that so far
2014-11-26 23:45 <BlueWall> no crashes?
2014-11-26 23:45 <ox64-p> i still think it has to do with this one user with a junky internet connection doing something
2014-11-26 23:45 <ox64-p> they constantly disconnect all day, and after a few hours of that happening it's time to restart the grid and simulator
2014-11-26 23:45 <AllenKerensky> dahlia that TP fail - and no attach on bounce happens to me too - Mono 2.10.8.1 on Fedora
2014-11-26 23:45 <ox64-p> if they dont sign on, things seem fine 
2014-11-26 23:45 <BlueWall> ox64-p, could be
2014-11-26 23:45 <ox64-p> ran for about 2 weeks without issues, then they signed on and it started happening again
2014-11-26 23:46 <dahlia> AllenKerensky: 2.10.8.1 (Debian 2.10.8.1-8)
2014-11-26 23:46 <ox64-p> no crashes, everything looks to be running normal in the logs
2014-11-26 23:46 <ox64-p> although sunday i had a crash 
2014-11-26 23:46 <BlueWall> now, my avatar is all basic - no attachments.
2014-11-26 23:47 <dahlia> ewww
2014-11-26 23:47 <BlueWall> I made it when I first went to OSGrid.
2014-11-26 23:47 <ox64-p> but it might have had to do with the ulim connection settings  or something i d
2014-11-26 23:47 <ox64-p> dont know
2014-11-26 23:47 <dahlia> no prim hair? 0.o
2014-11-26 23:47 <BlueWall> I was repremanded for it today, lol
2014-11-26 23:47 <BlueWall> nope, 100% prim free.
2014-11-26 23:47 <ox64-p> lol
2014-11-26 23:48 <dahlia> I have a few outfits that are prim free *except* for hair
2014-11-26 23:48 <BlueWall> haa
2014-11-26 23:48 <dahlia> LL hair is.... *runs to bathroom*
2014-11-26 23:49 <BlueWall> You used to sport that old viewer hair all over OSG back in the day.
2014-11-26 23:49 <BlueWall> :D
2014-11-26 23:49 <dahlia> ages ago
2014-11-26 23:49 <ox64-p> my avatar looks pretty bad
2014-11-26 23:49 <ox64-p> rofl
2014-11-26 23:49 <BlueWall> Time for dinner here, can't rez that :S
2014-11-26 23:50 <BlueWall> laterz :)
2014-11-27 00:08 <diva> How do I add grid proxy as a grid in Firestorm?
2014-11-27 00:09 <diva> it keeps tell me tha it can't add it because it can't find Grid Info
2014-11-27 00:10 <diva> oh man
2014-11-27 00:10 <MarcusLlewellyn> 
ACTION is not fond of that grid manager not allowing manual input of info. :(

2014-11-27 00:10 <MarcusLlewellyn> The only alternative is to edit the grid xml directly.
2014-11-27 00:11 <dahlia> diva: try local region
2014-11-27 00:11 <diva> what local region?
2014-11-27 00:11 <diva> change the port in grid proxy?
2014-11-27 00:12 <dahlia> isnt there a local region in the grid selector in firestorm?
2014-11-27 00:12 <diva> you mean localhost?
2014-11-27 00:12 <dahlia> ya may need to change gridproxy port to 9000
2014-11-27 00:12 <diva> but that 's the sim itself
2014-11-27 00:12 <dahlia> ya localhost
2014-11-27 00:12 <diva> can't change
2014-11-27 00:12 <diva> sigh
2014-11-27 00:12 <dahlia> cant change the sim?
2014-11-27 00:12 <dahlia> dunno I never use firestorm
2014-11-27 00:13 <dahlia> does it still have -loginuri in the opensim version?
2014-11-27 00:13 <LiruCookies> It should, but I'm not sure it does.
2014-11-27 00:14 <LiruCookies> I remember a bunch of the TPVs saying they'd preserve that when LL was removing it..
2014-11-27 00:15 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yuu can add an entry in \Users\%USERNAME%\AppData\Roaming\Firestorm_x64\user_settings\grids.user.xml
2014-11-27 00:15 <diva> yes, that's what I did
2014-11-27 00:16 <diva> and yes FS has the same problem with SimulatorFeatures
2014-11-27 00:16 <MarcusLlewellyn> FS's grid manager tries to be a lil too automagic for my tastes. :/
2014-11-27 00:16 <dahlia> well if it wont let you add an entry....
2014-11-27 00:18 <MarcusLlewellyn> Kokua's is worse. If you mess up the gridinfo uri, it send the viewer into some sort of endless loop.
2014-11-27 00:18 <LiruCookies> http://jira.phoenixviewer.com/browse/FIRE-3674
2014-11-27 00:19 <LiruCookies> Hm... no.. that's not it.
2014-11-27 00:19 <zadark> I just entered http://127.0.0.1:8080/ into the 'Add new grid' box
2014-11-27 00:20 <dahlia> ya Ive not seen a grid manager that was easy and intuitive to add grids
2014-11-27 00:21 <dahlia> singu/replex kinda works
2014-11-27 00:21 <LiruCookies> What do you mean? It's super easy to add a grid in Singu
2014-11-27 00:21 <LiruCookies> Just paste the uri into the grids combo box on login screen
2014-11-27 00:21 <LiruCookies> The viewer does the rest of the work.
2014-11-27 00:21 <dahlia> LiruCookies: it is once you get the hang of it. Ive had lots of times where it failed
2014-11-27 00:22 <LiruCookies> How does that fail? Was your paste unclean?
2014-11-27 00:22 <dahlia> and where it worked once but lost it when restarting
2014-11-27 00:22 <dahlia> unclean?
2014-11-27 00:22 <dahlia> it's not intuitive
2014-11-27 00:24 <diva> Singu is the easiest
2014-11-27 00:26 <nebadon_laptop> the best grid manager is still the original one from hippo viewer
2014-11-27 00:26 <MarcusLlewellyn> They problem I have is that it's gridinfo or nothing. Once a grid is added, you can't go in and change, say the splash URL. You have to remove the grid and readd it.
2014-11-27 00:26 <nebadon_laptop> everyone trid to re-invent the wheel
2014-11-27 00:27 <MarcusLlewellyn> I don't hate the gridinfo thing. That's awesome. I dislike that it's the only way to get/set/change info about a grid.
2014-11-27 00:28 <dahlia> I hate UI design but there's one thing I learned the few times I had to do it. It's a good idea to find people who know nothing about your application and ask them to use your UI to accomplish a certain task and watch them try to do it.
2014-11-27 00:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #3890 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-27 00:31 <MarcusLlewellyn> This is one of those places where a web client is a huge win. No matter how awesome your gridmanager is, asking a user to add a grid is never going to be as easy as "click this link".
2014-11-27 00:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3890: SUCCESS in 8 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3890/
2014-11-27 00:33 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Make UMM.AddUser(UUID, string) log message when bad creatorData is given to reflect its location (UMM not Scene) and add the user name and ID.
2014-11-27 00:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #3891 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-27 00:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3891: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3891/
2014-11-27 00:37 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Be more explicit again in UMM bad HomeURL message by logging the original creator data
2014-11-27 00:47 <dahlia> MarcusLlewellyn: perhaps it's time to reexamine the protocols and make them more web-like rather than modeled around SL's business model?
2014-11-27 00:48 <MarcusLlewellyn> I'm not going to even pretend I fully appreciate the work that would be involved in that. But yeah, sounds good to me. :)
2014-11-27 00:49 <MarcusLlewellyn> Really, though, what the web has that we don't have is a Google. Links help, but only get you so far. A central directory that has large mindshare is what makes much of the web as accessible as it is.
2014-11-27 00:51 <dahlia> well web-like, in the sense that navigating around is as simple as clic-and-go and doesnt require things like grid managers
2014-11-27 00:52 <dahlia> but somehow I'd think the walled garden grids might not care for that ;)
2014-11-27 00:53 <MarcusLlewellyn> We need either a Kitely (someone with good business acumen and an interest in the metaverse) or a well organize group effort to create a place that acts as a directory. Viewers could get info from that rather than in the rather peicemeal method we have now.
2014-11-27 00:53 <dahlia> dunno, I dont care much for centralized authority
2014-11-27 00:53 <NickyP> I haven't found any grig manager including Kokua that is good to go with a new user.
2014-11-27 00:53 <NickyP> grid
2014-11-27 00:54 <MarcusLlewellyn> I'm not advocated centralized, or any other model. I'm advocating the end result.
2014-11-27 00:54 <NickyP> With kokua once it is in the drop down list correctly it works.
2014-11-27 00:54 <dahlia> NickyP: ya they seem to work if you just want to use the grids that are bundeled with the viewers
2014-11-27 00:55 <dahlia> it's adding that's difficult
2014-11-27 00:56 <BlueWall> probably easier than adding the --loginuri the old way
2014-11-27 00:56 <dahlia> I think the one in radegast is pretty easy but it gets too busy with a lot of grids
2014-11-27 00:58 <dahlia> but maybe I'm short-sighted and most users dont need to add more grids?
2014-11-27 00:58 <NickyP> haven't tried in a while but on linux ./kokua --loginuri  I think worked
2014-11-27 00:58 <dahlia> cool
2014-11-27 00:59 <NickyP> ill give it try once on linux. I am building windows atm
2014-11-27 00:59 <BlueWall> NickyP, do you build Firestorm on Linux?
2014-11-27 01:00 <NickyP> no
2014-11-27 01:00 <BlueWall> Ahh, ok
2014-11-27 01:01 <BlueWall> I cloned it to my machine here, might try to build it one day.
2014-11-27 01:01 <osmantis> Bug #7367:04 Standalone HG persisting URLs to regions table when it shouldn't 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7367 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-27 01:07 <osmantis> Bug #7367:04 Standalone HG persisting URLs to regions table when it shouldn't 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7367 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-27 01:07 <NickyP> Oh in kokua's grid drop down ar 127.0.0.1:8002 127.0.0.1:9000 and 127.0.0.1:8080
2014-11-27 01:20 <osmantis> Bug #7367:04 Standalone HG persisting URLs to regions table when it shouldn't 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7367 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-11-27 03:17 <NickyP> just tried --loginuri on windows and it works I remember when SL took it out i didn't take that change in Kokua -- windows add the parameter to the shortcut.
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2014-11-27 03:37 <NickyP> nicky@nicky-M17xR4 ~/.kokua-install $ ./kokua --loginuri http://periansim.dyndns.info:8002      linux 64 bit with grid on my lan, 
2014-11-27 05:50 <ox64-p> hmm
2014-11-27 05:51 <ox64-p> that didnt resolve
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2014-11-27 07:11 <dahlia> BlueWall: ping you still up?
2014-11-27 08:00 <Melanie_> smxy: regarding the code dump
2014-11-27 08:00 <Melanie_> smxy: we have caught up on nearly a year of backlog
2014-11-27 08:01 <Melanie_> smxy: it's WIP but it is in proogress
2014-11-27 08:01 <Melanie_> smxy: some people from core have helped already
2014-11-27 08:19 <AliciaRaven> ox64-p, the user connection problem u talked about earlier is in mantis http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7308
2014-11-27 10:48 <osmantis> Bug #7179:04 Regionposition of Avatar who sits on a childprim in a linkset is wrong 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7179 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-27 11:25 <BlueWall> pong dahlia
2014-11-27 11:26 <dahlia> BlueWall: trying to get mono to fail with a later kernel, cant make it crash. Wondered if you wanted to help crash it :)
2014-11-27 11:28 <BlueWall> What have you been doing on it?
2014-11-27 11:28 <BlueWall> It would just crash with me. I made soem scripts with timers and sleeps to make it happen faster.
2014-11-27 11:28 <dahlia> some script nebadon_laptop had, running 256 copies of it
2014-11-27 11:29 <dahlia> tried a bunch of physics
2014-11-27 11:29 <BlueWall> how long does it run?
2014-11-27 11:29 <dahlia> wont crash
2014-11-27 11:29 <dahlia> been about 5 hours I think
2014-11-27 11:29 <BlueWall> you're on Ubuntu?
2014-11-27 11:29 <BlueWall> or Debian
2014-11-27 11:29 <dahlia> ya 14.10
2014-11-27 11:29 <BlueWall> ok
2014-11-27 11:29 <dahlia> and did a dist-upgrade
2014-11-27 11:30 <dahlia> Linux monocrashtest 3.16.0-23-generic #30-Ubuntu SMP Thu Oct 16 13:17:16 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2014-11-27 11:31 <dahlia> opensim@monocrashtest:~$ mono -V
2014-11-27 11:31 <dahlia> Mono JIT compiler version 3.2.8 (Debian 3.2.8+dfsg-4ubuntu2)
2014-11-27 11:31 <dahlia> from mono-complete
2014-11-27 11:32 <BlueWall> You're at least the 2nd report that it doesn't crash on Ubuntu.
2014-11-27 11:33 <osmantis> Bug #7271:04 Reappearance of [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7271 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-27 11:33 <AliciaRaven> BlueWall, im running ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS with no problems also
2014-11-27 11:34 <dahlia> AliciaRaven: which kernel?
2014-11-27 11:34 <AliciaRaven> um how do i check that?
2014-11-27 11:34 <BlueWall> uname -a
2014-11-27 11:34 <dahlia> BlueWall: I'm using a digital ocean instance for testing it, dont see opensuse available
2014-11-27 11:35 <AliciaRaven> 3.10.23
2014-11-27 11:35 <dahlia> ya think it needs to be 3.12 at least to crash
2014-11-27 11:35 <BlueWall> that one would be ok
2014-11-27 11:35 <AliciaRaven> i have another ubuntu server but thats running an older version
2014-11-27 11:35 <AliciaRaven> ah ok
2014-11-27 11:35 <dahlia> I think they let you make your own appliance but I dont know how
2014-11-27 11:35 <BlueWall> 3.16.6 on the OpenSuSE
2014-11-27 15:58 <Plugh> Singularity alpha viewer is behaving in an odd and annoying for the last few test versions I've used. It tends to forget the password for a grid. It usually forgets the one I last used.
2014-11-27 16:03 <LiruCookies> Nothing changed in that regard, have you been screwing with your MAC?
2014-11-27 16:10 <SammyG3> What am I thankful for this Thanksgiving? One of the things I'm thankful for is all the developers who work long and hard on developing this software to allow others to enjoy it.  Whether its socializing, making things, or allowing those with disabilities a little freedom.  Thank you ALL!!!
2014-11-27 16:10 <BlueWall> Thanks for using OpenSim and your support!
2014-11-27 16:14 <osmantis> Bug #7321:04 Error requesting Preferences 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7321 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-27 16:17 <osmantis> Bug #7321:04 Error requesting Preferences 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7321 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-27 16:26 <Plugh> LiruCookies: Screwing with my MAC? What is MAC?
2014-11-27 16:32 <smxy> Plugh. Nebadon's had that problem. Might see if he found a soulution.
2014-11-27 16:32 <smxy> I think it had to do with when he changed networks.
2014-11-27 16:32 <smxy> But he can tell you more.
2014-11-27 16:34 <nebadon_laptop> I wish i had a solution but I do not
2014-11-27 16:34 <nebadon_laptop> ive brought it up on many occasions
2014-11-27 16:34 <nebadon_laptop> they base the password hash I think on the network card mac address
2014-11-27 16:35 <nebadon_laptop> and it seems like whenever network changed this happens
2014-11-27 16:35 <nebadon_laptop> it also seems to happen if i close the lid on my laptop while the viewer is still running
2014-11-27 16:36 <nebadon_laptop> it really sucks though and has by far wasted more of my time than anything else in the viewer or opensim has
2014-11-27 16:36 <nebadon_laptop> when you log into 25 different grids, and out of the blue it forgets all your passwords
2014-11-27 16:36 <nebadon_laptop> its not fun
2014-11-27 16:38 <BlueWall> mabe the mac address changes on the public side of the cablemodem?
2014-11-27 16:39 <nebadon_laptop> I don't know for me when i was travelling
2014-11-27 16:39 <BlueWall> Would the viewer detact that?
2014-11-27 16:39 <nebadon_laptop> i had 2 cell phones and a variety of wifi and wired connections
2014-11-27 16:39 <nebadon_laptop> and literally i couldnt go 5 minutes without having to try to remember passwords
2014-11-27 16:39 <BlueWall> Ohhh, it would probably change all the time then
2014-11-27 16:40 <nebadon_laptop> its a terrible design
2014-11-27 16:40 <nebadon_laptop> but even when i dont change networks it happens
2014-11-27 16:40 <BlueWall> but, maybe a dynamic ip cause the mac to change too?
2014-11-27 16:40 <nebadon_laptop> not sure
2014-11-27 16:41 <BlueWall> When you're at home, you have a fixed ip?
2014-11-27 16:41 <nebadon_laptop> possible virtualbox plays a part too
2014-11-27 16:41 <nebadon_laptop> I do
2014-11-27 16:41 <BlueWall> virtualbox+++++++++
2014-11-27 16:41 <BlueWall> you can set the mac addreses in them in the network settings.
2014-11-27 16:42 <BlueWall> you are running the viewer inside one?
2014-11-27 16:42 <nebadon_laptop> no
2014-11-27 16:42 <BlueWall> ohh
2014-11-27 16:42 <nebadon_laptop> but im wondering if when you start virtualbox with bridged adapters
2014-11-27 16:42 <nebadon_laptop> maybe it changes something with the primary adapter
2014-11-27 16:42 <nebadon_laptop> i really don't know
2014-11-27 16:42 <BlueWall> I don't think that would do it.
2014-11-27 16:42 <nebadon_laptop> all i know is I hate how it currently works hehe
2014-11-27 16:42 <nebadon_laptop> huge time waster
2014-11-27 16:43 <nebadon_laptop> i seem to be effected more than others though
2014-11-27 16:43 <BlueWall> The mac is burned into your hardware, but it can be changed at the sofware level
2014-11-27 16:45 <BlueWall> I guess the (SL) theory is to use the mac address to ban people even if they change IP addresses.
2014-11-27 16:49 <smxy> BTW, to those who celebrate it, Happy Thanksgiving. :)
2014-11-27 16:51 <Plugh> why would a viewer forget the saved password for the grid one just logged out of due to a network change? Besides, the only form of network change here is the IP address of my cable modem that might change. That is outside my control.
2014-11-27 16:52 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: ok, interesting. (I'm catching up on the scrollback)  That explains some of the things that happen at my end. Closing laptop lid. I haven't had it forget all the passwords. Usually seems to be the last one I used.
2014-11-27 16:52 <Plugh> It didn't used to behave like this.
2014-11-27 16:54 <nebadon_laptop> ya I don't know, I have not really gotten a good explanation
2014-11-27 16:54 <nebadon_laptop> ive kind of learned to just deal with it at this point
2014-11-27 16:55 <nebadon_laptop> there has to be a better way to identify a machine besides network though
2014-11-27 16:55 <nebadon_laptop> its a bad design as it currently stands
2014-11-27 16:56 <nebadon_laptop> its great if you only ever log into 1 grid and never change your location or network
2014-11-27 16:56 <nebadon_laptop> other than that its quite terrible
2014-11-27 16:57 <Plugh> It seems to be a recent change. I've used Singularity for ages and not had an issue but perhaps that was because I was previously aways using my desktop. Even when I did occasionally use it on a laptop I didn't notice this issue.
2014-11-27 16:58 <nebadon_laptop> yes laptops are way more prone
2014-11-27 16:58 <nebadon_laptop> if i close my laptop lid while viewer is loaded
2014-11-27 16:58 <nebadon_laptop> next time i load viewer all passwords are gone
2014-11-27 16:58 <Plugh> eek. That woud be very annoying
2014-11-27 16:59 <nebadon_laptop> indeed it is
2014-11-27 16:59 <LiruCookies> only while the viewer is loaded?
2014-11-27 16:59 <nebadon_laptop> when i was traveling around sweden it was very annoying
2014-11-27 16:59 <LiruCookies> That' super strange...
2014-11-27 16:59 <nebadon_laptop> I imagine cellular network mac address may not function the same
2014-11-27 16:59 <nebadon_laptop> but i dont know
2014-11-27 17:00 <nebadon_laptop> alot of the time I was USB tethered or Wifi tethered to a cell phone
2014-11-27 17:00 <Plugh> My main computer isn't working or I would at least try having a peek at the viewer code. I'm not sure I'd really want to as I'm not a C++ programmer.
2014-11-27 17:03 <NickyP> kokua kicks a notice that the password cannot be used because of network change
2014-11-27 17:04 <NickyP> You can test by having wired and wireless active on same computer and disable one are the other
2014-11-27 17:04 <smxy> I just gotta say that that's the stupidest f***ing reason for invalidating a password, that I've ever heard, unless you're on some super sensitive military network.
2014-11-27 17:05 <nebadon_laptop> well I understand the need to expire passwords when they leave a machine
2014-11-27 17:05 <nebadon_laptop> but using network as that basis means its going to expire often for someone who moves alot
2014-11-27 17:06 <nebadon_laptop> I would personally rather not be secure, than to be annoyed constantly, but that is just me
2014-11-27 17:07 <smxy> Can you imagine if all websites did that? Stupid.
2014-11-27 17:07 <smxy> Or every server you need to ever log into?
2014-11-27 17:08 <LiruCookies> nebadon_laptop: I think your phone might be randomizing its MAC, this would cause it to break passwords every time.
2014-11-27 17:08 <Plugh> oh, you aren't logging in from home, I've now forgotten your password.  ;)
2014-11-27 17:08 <LiruCookies> It's not about your current network!
2014-11-27 17:08 <nebadon_laptop> no it happens at home quite often too
2014-11-27 17:08 <nebadon_laptop> thats absolutely not true Liru
2014-11-27 17:08 <nebadon_laptop> everytime i change networks it happens
2014-11-27 17:09 <nebadon_laptop> i can only assume the majority of folks just never change their network
2014-11-27 17:09 <nebadon_laptop> so for 99.9% of people this isnt a problem
2014-11-27 17:09 <LiruCookies> Bullshit
2014-11-27 17:09 <NickyP> true
2014-11-27 17:09 <nebadon_laptop> and you never experience it
2014-11-27 17:09 <LiruCookies> I change networks regularly
2014-11-27 17:09 <BlueWall> smxy, I immagine that LL starting filtering users by mac for griefing reasons when the user could easily change ip addresses.
2014-11-27 17:10 <NickyP> on the same computer
2014-11-27 17:10 <BlueWall> The mac can be changed too though.
2014-11-27 17:10 <nebadon_laptop> the viewer can be changed even easier
2014-11-27 17:10 <nebadon_laptop> to hard code a mac
2014-11-27 17:10 <nebadon_laptop> heh
2014-11-27 17:10 <BlueWall> how many who experience it are using dhcpd to assign their workstation network info?
2014-11-27 17:11 <nebadon_laptop> it does seem that i experience it more than others
2014-11-27 17:11 <nebadon_laptop> infact just about every viewer dev ive spoken to hasnt experienced it
2014-11-27 17:11 <BlueWall> nebadon_laptop, you are on wireless and dhcpd, right?
2014-11-27 17:11 <nebadon_laptop> but for me its a nightmare most of the time
2014-11-27 17:11 <nebadon_laptop> no
2014-11-27 17:11 <nebadon_laptop> hard coded but wifi
2014-11-27 17:11 <nebadon_laptop> when i was traveling i was on DHCP, but when i am home i hard code
2014-11-27 17:12 <BlueWall> ok
2014-11-27 17:12 <LiruCookies> nebadon_laptop: I bet your computer is set up to randomize your mac on network change.
2014-11-27 17:12 <nebadon_laptop> my big problem is how many grids I am on
2014-11-27 17:12 <nebadon_laptop> if it is thats how it came out of the box
2014-11-27 17:12 <nebadon_laptop> cause im running stock drivers and done nothing to enable that myself
2014-11-27 17:12 <Plugh> LiruCookies: You say you change networks often. Are you referringto plugging in to different networks or switching between hard wired and WiFi on your computer?
2014-11-27 17:12 <LiruCookies> nebadon_laptop: are you tethering via usb?
2014-11-27 17:12 <nebadon_laptop> sometimes i do
2014-11-27 17:12 <NickyP> I don't find it a much of a problem the password is not accepted the notice tells you why. reenter the password
2014-11-27 17:13 <nebadon_laptop> most of the time im using internal wifi card
2014-11-27 17:13 <LiruCookies> Plugh: I do both, depending on the location.
2014-11-27 17:13 <nebadon_laptop> if i was only on one or two grids this wouldnt bother me
2014-11-27 17:13 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: Have you checked to see if there is an open bug report about the issue?
2014-11-27 17:13 <nebadon_laptop> but my viewer has like 30 users
2014-11-27 17:13 <nebadon_laptop> in the saved user list
2014-11-27 17:13 <nebadon_laptop> lots of alts
2014-11-27 17:14 <nebadon_laptop> and i end up having to reset password a lot
2014-11-27 17:14 <nebadon_laptop> because i just cant remember them all
2014-11-27 17:14 <Plugh> Ouch
2014-11-27 17:14 <NickyP> use keepass or some other password recorder
2014-11-27 17:14 <nebadon_laptop> i dont like writing passwords down
2014-11-27 17:14 <Plugh> Time to come up with a password system that will be easier to remember.
2014-11-27 17:15 <BlueWall> I've had it happen here too, but I've been thinking that it's something to do with dbus/systemd
2014-11-27 17:15 <LiruCookies> nebadon_laptop: are you tethering via usb?
2014-11-27 17:15 <BlueWall> It's not that often though.
2014-11-27 17:15 <nebadon_laptop> LiruCookies sometimes i do, when I am at home usually I don't
2014-11-27 17:15 <nebadon_laptop> unless i am trying to test things outside of my local network
2014-11-27 17:15 <BlueWall> I have web browsers say they can't sign in, or that some info is missing.
2014-11-27 17:15 <nebadon_laptop> i might tether to my cell network
2014-11-27 17:15 <nebadon_laptop> but i have expdrienced it without network changing at all too
2014-11-27 17:16 <Plugh> First step, document a procedure that will always reproduce the issue of the viewer losing passwords then file a report against the viewer.
2014-11-27 17:16 <nebadon_laptop> thats the big problem, I can't always trigger it to happen
2014-11-27 17:16 <nebadon_laptop> like the laptop lid closing
2014-11-27 17:16 <nebadon_laptop> doesnt always trigger it, but somtimes it does
2014-11-27 17:16 <BlueWall> Windows too?
2014-11-27 17:16 <nebadon_laptop> yes Windows 8.1
2014-11-27 17:16 <BlueWall> ok
2014-11-27 17:17 <Plugh> BlueWall: Yup. Windows 8.1 on my end (until I get my desktop running again)
2014-11-27 17:17 <nebadon_laptop> chaning networks seemed to be the most reliable way to trigger it
2014-11-27 17:17 <nebadon_laptop> but I am not sure that is a design flaw or a bug
2014-11-27 17:17 <nebadon_laptop> I think thats just how its supposed to work
2014-11-27 17:17 <nebadon_laptop> im not just changing networks on the same adapter
2014-11-27 17:17 <Plugh> It isn't a bug. It is a "feature".  :P
2014-11-27 17:17 <nebadon_laptop> im actually switching from Wifi to Wired
2014-11-27 17:17 <nebadon_laptop> or Wifi to Cell phone
2014-11-27 17:18 <nebadon_laptop> completely different network cards
2014-11-27 17:18 <Plugh> I'm wired now but I can easily switch to WiFi
2014-11-27 17:18 <Plugh> Different MAC addresses and IP addresses
2014-11-27 17:18 <nebadon_laptop> right
2014-11-27 17:18 <BlueWall> keep a record of your mac/ip addresses 
2014-11-27 17:18 <nebadon_laptop> i have 2 cell phones and a variety of wired and wifi networks i was using when i travel
2014-11-27 17:18 <BlueWall> I guess a copy of whatever ifconfig equiv is on Windows
2014-11-27 17:19 <nebadon_laptop> ipconfig in windows
2014-11-27 17:19 <NickyP> I hope all have a good Thanksgiving holiday. Off to spend time with my family. 
2014-11-27 17:19 <BlueWall> Then if it happens, you can campare the current settings to the journal
2014-11-27 17:19 <BlueWall> Thanks NickyP, you too.
2014-11-27 17:19 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: Hm... it would be a pain but you could keep multiple logins, one for each network if that is the issue.
2014-11-27 17:19 <nebadon_laptop> kk ya have a nice Day NickyP, thanks for weighing in!
2014-11-27 17:19 <nebadon_laptop> I am not sure it matters
2014-11-27 17:19 <nebadon_laptop> when the network changes all passwords get wiped
2014-11-27 17:20 <nebadon_laptop> until you enter a valid password
2014-11-27 17:20 <nebadon_laptop> then they all come back
2014-11-27 17:20 <nebadon_laptop> it still however is a pain 
2014-11-27 17:20 <nebadon_laptop> because you have to log in with valid password
2014-11-27 17:20 <nebadon_laptop> then log out again
2014-11-27 17:20 <nebadon_laptop> it ends up wasting time i dont really have to waste
2014-11-27 17:20 <Plugh> what? It acts like it doesn't remember any password until  you enter at least one valid one?? That sounds really really odd.
2014-11-27 17:20 <BlueWall> hmm, like if you try to login to a region that is still booting up and it wipes the password.
2014-11-27 17:20 <nebadon_laptop> because alot of the time i am demoing te software or trying to do training
2014-11-27 17:20 <nebadon_laptop> and time is limited
2014-11-27 17:21 <BlueWall> Like a safety measure
2014-11-27 17:21 <nebadon_laptop> ya basically
2014-11-27 17:21 <nebadon_laptop> i suspect there are multiple ways to trigger it
2014-11-27 17:21 <nebadon_laptop> some by design, others not
2014-11-27 17:21 <SammyG3> I switched to keepass about 6 months ago and couldnt live without it now.  Could be a good compromise while they fix the issue.
2014-11-27 17:21 <BlueWall> heh, probably should prune all that out of the source tree.
2014-11-27 17:22 <BlueWall> I like that 
2014-11-27 17:22 <Plugh> 
ACTION wonders where the friendly neighbourhood viewer developers while a viewer issue is being discussed.

2014-11-27 17:22 <BlueWall> Plugh, probably eating turkey
2014-11-27 17:22 <BlueWall> Like I'm about to do :)
2014-11-27 17:22 <Plugh> BlueWall: If they are in the US you are probably right about that.
2014-11-27 17:24 <Plugh> I came up with a system that allows me to build passwords where each thing I log in to has its own password. I have more troube remembering my user ID than I do the password.
2014-11-27 17:24 <Plugh> s/troube/trouble/
2014-11-27 17:27 <diva> So,  it turns out that the double CAPs requests is actually not a real bug, but an artifact of WinGridProxy! WinGridProxy seems to be a bit confused about capabilities
2014-11-27 17:30 <smxy> That's bad. It's not supposed to change what flows through it or misrepresent what it sees either. Ew.
2014-11-27 17:30 <smxy> How can you trust it now?
2014-11-27 17:31 <diva> I don't know. I'm trying to understand what its problem is...
2014-11-27 17:34 <osmantis> Bug #7383:04 [09:04:47]  [2014/11/27 07:50:47]  Cannot buy now. Your inventory is unavailable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7383 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-11-27 18:35 <osmantis> Bug #7321:04 Error requesting Preferences 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7321 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-27 18:38 <diva> oh geez. I know what WinGridProxy is doing with capabilitites... it's showing the request and response as separate entries on that list.
2014-11-27 18:39 <diva> So for capabilities that are just GET, the request body is zero bytes
2014-11-27 18:40 <diva> thr goes 1 day of my life
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2014-11-27 18:44 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION lost a (work)day of his life to a misunderstanding of "git clean"

2014-11-27 19:03 <osmantis> Bug #7383:04 [09:04:47]  [2014/11/27 07:50:47]  Cannot buy now. Your inventory is unavailable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7383 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-11-27 19:04 <Plugh> diva: ping
2014-11-27 19:07 <Plugh> Dev_Random: Ouch. Not too surprising about losing work when using git. I've had that happen to me. Ony VCS where I've lost work.
2014-11-27 19:08 <Dev_Random> VSS lost me some too, back in the 90
2014-11-27 19:08 <Dev_Random> s
2014-11-27 19:09 <Dev_Random> remember MS used to have a "fix your VSS repository" program ?
2014-11-27 19:30 <diva> Plugh pong
2014-11-27 19:33 <Plugh> diva: I have some questions about the metaverseink search feature if you have a moment or three.
2014-11-27 19:34 <diva> I'm on and off here, so shoot
2014-11-27 19:37 <Plugh> I saw your name so seemed like you are the one to ask. I see the search feature uses ossearch to populate the database tables. I'm unclear as to the code being used to search the database. Is that part of that extra module (not the ossearch one) being mentioned in the web page.
2014-11-27 19:37 <osmantis> Bug #7383:04 [09:04:47]  [2014/11/27 07:50:47]  Cannot buy now. Your inventory is unavailable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7383 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-27 19:39 <diva> MI Search doesn't use anyting of ossearch
2014-11-27 19:39 <Plugh> It has its own module to process the datasnapshot information?
2014-11-27 19:40 <diva> it takes the datasnapshot data and builds an index with Lucene
2014-11-27 19:41 <diva> that's off the sim, that's an external service, nothing to do with the simulator anymore
2014-11-27 19:44 <Plugh> Ok. FYI, I'm looking at the page http://metaverseink.com/blog/?p=21 and wanting to be able to get search results along the line of what is shown in the dialog box of the image near the top of the page.
2014-11-27 19:46 <Plugh> Its the web server side of things I'm interested in that is called/used by the viewer.
2014-11-27 19:47 <diva> my search service is not open source
2014-11-27 19:49 <Plugh> Oh, ok. The page pointed to ossearch and made reference to some other region module. It made me think it was. I'm back to rolling my own again.
2014-11-27 19:50 <diva> what page?
2014-11-27 19:50 <Plugh> The one I pasted the URL for a few moments ago.
2014-11-27 19:51 <diva> there is no refernce of ossearch there
2014-11-27 19:51 <Plugh> yes there is
2014-11-27 19:51 <diva> where?
2014-11-27 19:52 <Plugh> "... we are happy to see the grid-wide search project now using this same basic plumbing." where "grid-wide search project" points to ossearch.
2014-11-27 19:52 <diva> it just says that ossearch uses the same data snapshot module
2014-11-27 19:52 <diva> so the data is the same
2014-11-27 19:53 <diva> and that is provided sim-side
2014-11-27 19:53 <Plugh> The page also says Metaverse Ink is serving OpenSims around the world. 
2014-11-27 19:54 <Plugh> That page wasn't clear to me that it isn't an open source project. It reads a bit as if it is. That, and the person who sent a message to the mailing list reporting the brokenness of the MI search page made me think it was something available.
2014-11-27 20:37 <dahlia> BlueWall, nebadon_laptop: that region finally crashed. Looks like it leaked a bunch of memory until it died
2014-11-27 20:37 <dahlia> Region (humpf) # Error: Garbage collector could not allocate 65536 bytes of memory for major heap section.
2014-11-27 20:39 <dahlia> the vm has 2gb ram and it was using about 500mb when I left it last night. Last stats in the log before crash: Process memory              : 1427 MB 
2014-11-27 20:40 <dahlia> so yeah something not good there. Maybe all those timers in those scripts leak
2014-11-27 20:55 <dahlia> started it again, ya it's leaking pretty bad. Maybe 1 mb every 10ish seconds
2014-11-27 20:57 <dahlia> 
ACTION thinks the mono GC ate too much turkey and is constipated....

2014-11-27 21:09 <diva> FWIW I rebooted the MI search app 
2014-11-27 21:10 <dahlia> oh is it working now? there were a few people on the mailing list talking about it
2014-11-27 21:12 <dahlia> 
ACTION searches for "primitive"...

2014-11-27 21:15 <diva> :)
2014-11-27 21:43 <diva> I don't pay much attention to the MI search engine, but I just realized it has almost 5000 regions registered in it. Many of them are gone, but still. It's a lot of opensims out there...
2014-11-27 21:48 <Abitar> Well what is needed to keep the project rolling?
2014-11-27 21:50 <diva> $15/month and some of my cycles from time to time
2014-11-27 21:51 <Abitar> :) Never knew about it tell somoene post a note about it . 
2014-11-28 00:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #3892 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-28 00:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3892: SUCCESS in 4 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3892/
2014-11-28 00:07 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Make Robust.ini.example and Robust.HG.ini.example files consistent within themselves and OpenSim.ini.example by changing tabs to spaces, indenting, spacing.
2014-11-28 00:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #3893 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-28 00:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3893: SUCCESS in 4 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3893/
2014-11-28 00:11 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Stop writing SizeZ config parameter for now when creating regions from console as it is unused/ignored, at least in core.
2014-11-28 00:26 <osmantis> Bug #7179:04 Regionposition of Avatar who sits on a childprim in a linkset is wrong 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7179 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-28 00:27 <dahlia> justincc: ping
2014-11-28 00:27 <justincc> dahlia: pong
2014-11-28 00:27 <dahlia> hey
2014-11-28 00:28 <dahlia> you know if its common for scripts with timers to leak memory?
2014-11-28 00:28 <justincc> dahlia: I haven't heard of any such reports
2014-11-28 00:28 <dahlia> how about leaks in general?
2014-11-28 00:28 <justincc> I haven't seen any major leak issues recently
2014-11-28 00:29 <dahlia> kk I was trying to replicate the newer kernel problems BlueWall has seen and I found a big leak
2014-11-28 00:30 <dahlia> and now I see lots of leaking on some of the regions on my gridlet
2014-11-28 00:30 <justincc> the one leak I am aware of is in warp3d
2014-11-28 00:30 <justincc> actually
2014-11-28 00:30 <dahlia> not using it
2014-11-28 00:30 <dahlia> never have used it
2014-11-28 00:31 <dahlia> anyway I have a region with 256 scripted cubes that have timers and it's leaking like crazy
2014-11-28 00:31 <justincc> ok.  You can pin it down to scripts with timers?
2014-11-28 00:31 <dahlia> probably
2014-11-28 00:32 <dahlia> havent pinned it yet but thats all thats in the region
2014-11-28 00:32 <justincc> ok.  Timers haven't changed in a while but that doesn't necessarily mean much
2014-11-28 00:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #3894 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-28 00:33 <dahlia> nothing in the region but 256 cubes, each containing this script: https://gist.github.com/nebadon2025/7f9d54e65cba29f5bfa0
2014-11-28 00:34 <dahlia> it was around 130mb when I started it a couple hours ago, up to about a gig now
2014-11-28 00:34 <justincc> yeah that's not exactly a complicated script.  I presume console "force gc" makes no difference?
2014-11-28 00:35 <dahlia> dropped it down to 830 mb from 1031
2014-11-28 00:35 <dahlia> so helped a little
2014-11-28 00:35 <dahlia> the region eventually crashed from lack of memory on the last run
2014-11-28 00:35 <justincc> "show stats" shows a high "Heap allocated to OpenSim" number?
2014-11-28 00:36 <dahlia> Heap allocated to OpenSim   : 606 MB
2014-11-28 00:36 <dahlia> Last heap allocation rate   : 3.081 MB/s
2014-11-28 00:36 <BlueWall> dahlia, you might remove the sleep to see how that plays out.
2014-11-28 00:36 <dahlia> Average heap allocation rate: 2.579 MB/s
2014-11-28 00:36 <dahlia> Process memory              : 888 MB
2014-11-28 00:36 <dahlia> BlueWall: just running the script the way it was given to me :)
2014-11-28 00:36 <BlueWall> I put that in to help accelerate the crashes.
2014-11-28 00:37 <dahlia> do you think the crashes were due to a leak?
2014-11-28 00:37 <BlueWall> on my system, it looked like something in the threading. Si, I used the timers and added the sleep in for good measure.
2014-11-28 00:37 <justincc> dahlia: I wonder if timer events could fire fast enough to continually vuild up
2014-11-28 00:37 <justincc> with that llSleep
2014-11-28 00:37 <BlueWall> No, I don't think so. Not in this case.
2014-11-28 00:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3894: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3894/
2014-11-28 00:37 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Remove unmaintained MSSQL support.
2014-11-28 00:37 <BlueWall> justincc, yes
2014-11-28 00:38 <dahlia> ok so I guess if I remove the sleep it probably wouldnt crash?
2014-11-28 00:38 <justincc> dahlia: if you do "script show" do you see scripts with lots of queued events?
2014-11-28 00:38 <BlueWall> Not sure.
2014-11-28 00:39 <BlueWall> But, that will isolate the timer
2014-11-28 00:39 <BlueWall> If it runs ok w.o sleep, then make some loop with more sleeps 
2014-11-28 00:39 <dahlia> justincc: most I see are 2 events
2014-11-28 00:40 <justincc> ok, doesn#t sound liek some event pileup then
2014-11-28 00:40 <dahlia> I think I have AppDomain set to the default and Im using mono
2014-11-28 00:40 <dahlia> so maybe that might have something to do with it?
2014-11-28 00:41 <justincc> default of appdomain = false?
2014-11-28 00:41 <dahlia> but I'm not creating or deleting scripts 
2014-11-28 00:41 <dahlia> isnt default true?
2014-11-28 00:41 <justincc> yeah, shouldnt' make any difference with no script insert/delete
2014-11-28 00:41 <justincc> yes sorry, default is true
2014-11-28 00:41 <BlueWall> In the past, the appdomain = true just made the memory footprint much larger.
2014-11-28 00:42 <justincc> but shouldn't leak over time
2014-11-28 00:42 <BlueWall> no
2014-11-28 00:42 <BlueWall> And, that is per-script.
2014-11-28 00:42 <dahlia> BlueWall: did you see leaks?
2014-11-28 00:42 <dahlia> anyway I can't seem to replicate the threading crash
2014-11-28 00:42 <BlueWall> I didn't really check.
2014-11-28 00:42 <BlueWall> but, it wasn't running the machine out of memory.
2014-11-28 00:42 <dahlia> Linux monocrashtest 3.16.0-23-generic #30-Ubuntu SMP Thu Oct 16 13:17:16 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2014-11-28 00:42 <justincc> dahlia: how long do you have to leave it to get the leak to that level?
2014-11-28 00:42 <dahlia> thats the kernel
2014-11-28 00:43 <BlueWall> ++
2014-11-28 00:43 <dahlia> justin, not sure. less than 8 hours 
2014-11-28 00:43 <BlueWall> I'm not sure what OS Oren is using.
2014-11-28 00:43 <justincc> ok.  Sounds like something to Mantis then, see if we can replicate
2014-11-28 00:44 <dahlia> well I can keep this VM instance for a couple days if you want to play, otherwise I'll prolly delete it soon
2014-11-28 00:44 <dahlia> can always recreate it
2014-11-28 00:45 <justincc> I don't know when I would get time in the next few days
2014-11-28 00:45 <dahlia> k
2014-11-28 00:45 <dahlia> anyway maybe I'll just post results somewhere
2014-11-28 00:45 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-11-28 00:46 <dahlia> one potential difference, I have bullet threading set to the default
2014-11-28 00:47 <dahlia> I should try that
2014-11-28 00:47 <justincc> for crashing?  Wouldn't expect it to have any memory leak differnce
2014-11-28 00:47 <dahlia> I think the problem BlueWall had was threading related
2014-11-28 00:47 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-11-28 00:48 <BlueWall> Yes, it looked to be.
2014-11-28 00:48 <dahlia> I'm also using mono 3.2.8
2014-11-28 00:48 <justincc> If it was physics I would hope to see some bullet stuff in there but that's not guaranteed
2014-11-28 00:49 <justincc> BlueWall: did you try ODE?
2014-11-28 00:49 <BlueWall> no, just Bullet
2014-11-28 00:49 <justincc> must admit, traces don't make me think of bullet
2014-11-28 00:49 <justincc> more like some nasty mono issue tbh
2014-11-28 00:49 <dahlia> BlueWall: bullet in a separate thread?
2014-11-28 00:49 <justincc> that might only show up with alarge numbers of threads
2014-11-28 00:49 <BlueWall> I have reverted the machine back to OpenSuSE 13.1, but I can setup a VM
2014-11-28 00:50 <BlueWall> these things are not really physics related though.
2014-11-28 00:50 <dahlia> ya but bullet is native code sharing process space
2014-11-28 00:50 <BlueWall> Just making random timed loops to change colors on cube faces.
2014-11-28 00:51 <BlueWall> he llTargetOmega is viewer side 
2014-11-28 00:51 <dahlia> something munches on some memory in the same process space and the error could be anything
2014-11-28 00:51 <dahlia> like maybe a thread having too small of a private heap or something
2014-11-28 00:51 <OtakuMegane> omnomnom
2014-11-28 00:51 <dahlia> BOOM
2014-11-28 00:52 <BlueWall> Since we dont' use pointers, then it's not our fault o.0
2014-11-28 00:52 <dahlia> I bet the framework uses pointers :P
2014-11-28 00:53 <BlueWall> I'll get a vm setup to do soem further testing
2014-11-28 00:53 <BlueWall> Haa, yeah. You're probably right.
2014-11-28 00:53 <BlueWall> the native bullet code?
2014-11-28 00:53 <dahlia> I bet bullet uses pointers also
2014-11-28 00:55 <osmantis> Bug #7151:04 Groups V2  does not show my groups in Firestorm using release 0.7.6.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7151 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-28 00:55 <dahlia> ooooh interesting... looks like mono default gc is sgen on my installation
2014-11-28 00:56 <Ubit> hmmm the script does leak, but at a variable rate 
2014-11-28 00:57 <Ubit> yeack.. damm llSleep 
2014-11-28 01:06 <Ubit> leak seems gone without llSleep ..
2014-11-28 01:07 <OtakuMegane> Evil, evil llSleep. Poking holes in stuff and letting all the memory out.
2014-11-28 01:08 <justincc> if it's llSleep it won't be the sleep itself, it will be some knockon effect
2014-11-28 01:13 <dahlia> anyone know offhand the ini setting for threaded bullet?
2014-11-28 01:17 <justincc> [BulletSim] UseSeparatePhysicsThread = false
2014-11-28 01:18 <dahlia> ty
2014-11-28 01:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #3895 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-28 01:24 <osmantis> Bug #7203:04 after restoration, cannot restart server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7203 ): has been CLOSED
2014-11-28 01:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3895: SUCCESS in 4 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3895/
2014-11-28 01:26 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Avoid repeated lag-generating continuous attempts to retrieve HG service Urls in UMM if the initial request fails, possibly due to the home URL not being present
2014-11-28 01:26 <osmantis> Bug #7358:04 [NPC MODULE] create NPC triggers TWO unnecessary lookups via [HGFRIENDS MODULE] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7358 ): has been CLOSED
2014-11-28 01:28 <osmantis> Bug #7382:04 Constant repeated attempt to access user profile data of unaccessible account generates sim lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7382 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-28 01:28 <justincc> ok, rest time.  Goodnight folks
2014-11-28 02:02 <smxy> BlueWall: When are you going to update the config files to use the new constants thing? Everyone seemed to think it was a good idea. I know it'll cut way down on the number of lines I have to compare/diff. Looking forward to it.
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2014-11-28 02:42 <BlueWall> smxy, I think pretty soon.
2014-11-28 02:57 <NickyP> nebadon_laptop: with keepass program it is multi platform. I put the database with passwords on a usb drive and have the program run on windows and linux. It has icons for copy username and password to the clipboard. It takes a little practice to get used to and I lost all passwords a couple times while learning. But, since I put the data on usb it has
2014-11-28 02:57 <NickyP> worked without issue. 
2014-11-28 03:26 <smxy> I use 1Password everywhere. It's awesome.
2014-11-28 06:50 <osmantis> Bug #7151:04 Groups V2  does not show my groups in Firestorm using release 0.7.6.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7151 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-28 12:53 <osmantis> Bug #7382:04 Constant repeated attempt to access user profile data of unaccessible account generates sim lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7382 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-28 20:41 <justincc> hey misterblue, are you around?
2014-11-28 20:44 <dahlia> BlueWall, nebadon_laptop, justincc: I tried that test without the llSleep and it still leaked at a similar rate. Seems the leak happens with just the repeating timer
2014-11-28 20:45 <nebadon_laptop> dahlia did you adjust the GC pool?
2014-11-28 20:45 <nebadon_laptop> for mono?
2014-11-28 20:45 <nebadon_laptop> export MONO_GC_PARAMS=nursery-size=64m
2014-11-28 20:46 <dahlia> no
2014-11-28 20:46 <nebadon_laptop> from my testing this improves things a bit
2014-11-28 20:46 <dahlia> how would I have known to do that?
2014-11-28 20:47 <BlueWall> Cool, Still there is llChangeColor, llFrand in there too.
2014-11-28 20:47 <nebadon_laptop> heh good question, i do have it as part of my mono instructions
2014-11-28 20:47 <nebadon_laptop> its fairly new option with sgen dahlia
2014-11-28 20:47 <nebadon_laptop> i got much better performance by increasing tat
2014-11-28 20:47 <nebadon_laptop> that*
2014-11-28 20:47 <nebadon_laptop> the default is pretty low
2014-11-28 20:47 <BlueWall> dahlia, you hvae to be a member of the Psychic Mono Hackerz Network
2014-11-28 20:48 <nebadon_laptop> http://www.mono-project.com/docs/advanced/garbage-collector/sgen/working-with-sgen/
2014-11-28 20:48 <dahlia> BlueWall: :(
2014-11-28 20:49 <BlueWall> I have been running on the installed mono here since I backtracked to OS 13.1
2014-11-28 20:49 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-28 20:49 <BlueWall> I need to adjust to the parallel one.
2014-11-28 20:50 <dahlia> anyway heres what I ran http://pastebin.com/w1smp9Mb
2014-11-28 20:51 <dahlia> but I cannot duplicate the crash BlueWall described
2014-11-28 20:51 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-11-28 20:51 <nebadon_laptop> I was able to in same version of opensuse he has problems with
2014-11-28 20:51 <nebadon_laptop> which is already causing me problems
2014-11-28 20:51 <nebadon_laptop> hetzner doesnt install 13.1 anymore
2014-11-28 20:51 <nebadon_laptop> 13.2 by default now
2014-11-28 20:52 <dahlia> use debian
2014-11-28 20:52 <nebadon_laptop> well i can install 13.1 still
2014-11-28 20:52 <dahlia> 
ACTION hides before being labeled a heretic...

2014-11-28 20:52 <nebadon_laptop> its just not as easy as using the provided image that they push by default now
2014-11-28 20:52 <BlueWall> That is the point that I was trying to make to the OpenSuSE people, that they are pusing a distro that is briken for anyone running our software.
2014-11-28 20:53 <BlueWall> broken*
2014-11-28 20:53 <BlueWall> And on 13.1 they just never bother to make upgrades to mono
2014-11-28 20:54 <nebadon_laptop> we run this risk with any distro we choose
2014-11-28 20:54 <BlueWall> So, it is likelu that whatever is packaged on 13.2 will be there.
2014-11-28 20:54 <dahlia> well Im not convinced its just kernel version. Seems something that maybe is not Ubuntu
2014-11-28 20:54 <BlueWall> They assigend me the bug.
2014-11-28 20:54 <dahlia> lol
2014-11-28 20:54 <nebadon_laptop> didnt orenh say he was experincing it as well on the Amazon kernel?
2014-11-28 20:55 <dahlia> ya I complained about a bug in one of the mono irc channels and they told me to fix it and submit a patch 
2014-11-28 20:55 <dahlia> lol
2014-11-28 20:55 <BlueWall> So, wne I get time, I'll try it on Ubuntu VM here. Then I'll go back with the fix: Son't use OpenSuSE - Use Ubuntu.
2014-11-28 20:55 <BlueWall> can't type :s
2014-11-28 20:56 <nebadon_laptop> that would definitely be a measure of last resort for me to switch to debian or ubuntu
2014-11-28 20:56 <BlueWall> Yeah, they're all about getting the M$ stuff in.
2014-11-28 20:56 <nebadon_laptop> im just not a fan
2014-11-28 20:56 <BlueWall> me either
2014-11-28 20:56 <dahlia> not a fan of who?
2014-11-28 20:56 <BlueWall> but I'm not a fan of A$$holes either,lol
2014-11-28 20:56 <nebadon_laptop> ubuntu
2014-11-28 20:56 <dahlia> oh me either
2014-11-28 20:57 <dahlia> its just too convenient
2014-11-28 20:57 <BlueWall> We have been reccomending OpenSuSE for years as the distro of choice to tun this.
2014-11-28 20:57 <dahlia> we have?
2014-11-28 20:57 <BlueWall> Sort-of
2014-11-28 20:57 <dahlia> maybe a small faction has :P
2014-11-28 20:57 <BlueWall> that is what I alweays tell people to use.
2014-11-28 20:57 <BlueWall> I guess Neb does.
2014-11-28 20:58 <dahlia> I prefer debian and usually tell people thats what I use
2014-11-28 20:58 <dahlia> I used to use centos but got tired of it
2014-11-28 20:58 <BlueWall> because, in the past, they have been right in sync with the mono releases.
2014-11-28 20:58 <dahlia> debian easier IMHO
2014-11-28 20:58 <BlueWall> whew, centos
2014-11-28 20:58 <nebadon_laptop> well ya its my personal preference for sure
2014-11-28 20:59 <BlueWall> Centos?
2014-11-28 20:59 <nebadon_laptop> but i recommend ubuntu as well
2014-11-28 20:59 <BlueWall> 0.o
2014-11-28 20:59 <nebadon_laptop> i just dont like using it
2014-11-28 20:59 <dahlia> centos is horrid
2014-11-28 20:59 <dahlia> I think Melanie_ uses it tho, or used to
2014-11-28 20:59 <nebadon_laptop> centos and mono dont seem to mesh so great
2014-11-28 21:00 <nebadon_laptop> i think newer centos is better
2014-11-28 21:00 <dahlia> ya I had to build mono for centos
2014-11-28 21:00 <BlueWall> I used it once, and could get OpenSim running pretty well on it. But some of the other things I was doing needed more modern tools.
2014-11-28 21:00 <nebadon_laptop> 4/5 were rough
2014-11-28 21:00 <nebadon_laptop> but the latest verisons i think are a bit easier to get going
2014-11-28 21:00 <BlueWall> trying to get them on it was breaking the system tools
2014-11-28 21:00 <dahlia> well centos has more security stuff in it
2014-11-28 21:00 <BlueWall> more security updates?
2014-11-28 21:01 <dahlia> no it has a bunch of additional security features
2014-11-28 21:01 <dahlia> cant remember too many details now, been too long since I used it
2014-11-28 21:01 <dahlia> a lot of that "secure linux" stuff
2014-11-28 21:02 <BlueWall> custom kernels?
2014-11-28 21:02 <dahlia> cant remember
2014-11-28 21:03 <KF5YFD> a lot of extra NSA
2014-11-28 21:03 <dahlia> anyway my motive for using centos was I wanted to get some expertise running opensim on other distributions
2014-11-28 21:03 <KF5YFD> ;)
2014-11-28 21:03 <dahlia> ya NSA spyware probably ;)
2014-11-28 21:03 <BlueWall> Ohhh, lol, GovNet built right in.
2014-11-28 21:04 <Ubit> nsa needs spyware?
2014-11-28 21:05 <dahlia> probably makes their job easier :)
2014-11-28 21:06 <BlueWall> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security-Enhanced_Linux
2014-11-28 21:07 <nebadon_laptop> ya there really isnt anything paritcularly wrong with centos other than it wastes alot of my time because I dont know what the hell im doing with it
2014-11-28 21:07 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-28 21:08 <nebadon_laptop> redhat is very similar as well
2014-11-28 21:08 <nebadon_laptop> if you have the time and patience and expertise im sure you can make opensim run good on just about any linux distro
2014-11-28 21:08 <dahlia> lol ya I like to complain about how difficult it was to use but it probably just boils down to me not having a clue :/
2014-11-28 21:09 <BlueWall> Getting OpenSim running on it wasn't too bad - this was a few years back.
2014-11-28 21:09 <dahlia> but I found trying to resolve dependencies of packages I wanted to be a PITA
2014-11-28 21:09 <nebadon_laptop> yes me too
2014-11-28 21:09 <BlueWall> ++ dhalia
2014-11-28 21:09 <nebadon_laptop> i wasted a lot of time on that
2014-11-28 21:10 <nebadon_laptop> i mostly like opensuse because of the community behind it
2014-11-28 21:10 <BlueWall> And if you start building your own, then you start whacking the system dependancies and en up breading it.
2014-11-28 21:10 <nebadon_laptop> which is primarily why i dont like ubuntu
2014-11-28 21:10 <BlueWall> lol, not breading, but breaking it
2014-11-28 21:10 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-28 21:10 <nebadon_laptop> batter dip it!
2014-11-28 21:11 <BlueWall> pancakes
2014-11-28 21:11 <nebadon_laptop> haha
2014-11-28 21:11 <dahlia> dunno the ubuntu community is usually pretty helpful Ive found
2014-11-28 21:11 <nebadon_laptop> ya im not saying its bad
2014-11-28 21:11 <dahlia> I just dont like the Amazon $ponsorship issues
2014-11-28 21:11 <nebadon_laptop> i just feel like i fit in more with opensuse mindset
2014-11-28 21:12 <nebadon_laptop> i do admit though i find myself reading ubuntu forums a lot to resolve issues on opensuse
2014-11-28 21:12 <nebadon_laptop> so its not all bad
2014-11-28 21:12 <BlueWall> I'll bet they have been having fun getting everything integrated with systemd
2014-11-28 21:13 <dahlia> I dont really care for relying on something thats generally funded and doesnt make a profit
2014-11-28 21:13 <dahlia> Id rather use something community developed
2014-11-28 21:13 <BlueWall> I'll miss sysvinit
2014-11-28 21:13 <dahlia> ya me too
2014-11-28 21:14 <dahlia> from what Ive read about that new init thing I dont like it
2014-11-28 21:14 <BlueWall> the logging :/
2014-11-28 21:14 <nebadon_laptop> to me ubuntu is more of a desktop platform
2014-11-28 21:14 <nebadon_laptop> that seems to be their focus anyway
2014-11-28 21:14 <nebadon_laptop> nto saying its a bad server
2014-11-28 21:15 <dahlia> not the logging, the "we pwn it all" philosophy
2014-11-28 21:15 <BlueWall> I haven't really dug into the journalctl very far yet. but I've watched the logging with journalctl -f
2014-11-28 21:15 <dahlia> nebadon_laptop: it is a pretty good server
2014-11-28 21:15 <nebadon_laptop> if you have never played around with susestudio its pretty awesome
2014-11-28 21:15 <BlueWall> ++
2014-11-28 21:15 <nebadon_laptop> http://www.susestudio.com
2014-11-28 21:15 <BlueWall> ++++
2014-11-28 21:15 <BlueWall> ++++++
2014-11-28 21:15 <BlueWall> hehe
2014-11-28 21:16 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-28 21:16 <BlueWall> I like it.
2014-11-28 21:16 <dahlia> ya Ive tried it
2014-11-28 21:16 <nebadon_laptop> ∞+
2014-11-28 21:16 <BlueWall> lol
2014-11-28 21:16 <nebadon_laptop> haha
2014-11-28 21:16 <dahlia> nebadon_laptop: couldnt you use that to make a appliance for hetzner?
2014-11-28 21:17 <nebadon_laptop> possibly, hetzner isnt virtual though its bare hardware
2014-11-28 21:17 <nebadon_laptop> im not sure if they offer kvm
2014-11-28 21:17 <nebadon_laptop> never asked, havent needed it so far
2014-11-28 21:18 <dahlia> or an installer?
2014-11-28 21:18 <nebadon_laptop> it probably can be done, i know you can make amazon images
2014-11-28 21:18 <nebadon_laptop> and live dvds / bootable usb sticks
2014-11-28 21:18 <nebadon_laptop> and there are installer options
2014-11-28 21:18 <nebadon_laptop> but you would need kvm to do it
2014-11-28 21:25 <dahlia> well anyway this is starting to look more like a opensuse problem and not necessarily a kernel problem so I feel a bit less motivated to worry about it
2014-11-28 21:26 <nebadon_laptop> ya hopefully its not wide spread
2014-11-28 21:26 <BlueWall> dahlia, might see what distro Oren is using, as he has the same issue.
2014-11-28 21:26 <nebadon_laptop> i know its not opensuse
2014-11-28 21:26 <BlueWall> Maybe they are running SuSE on ec2
2014-11-28 21:27 <BlueWall> Ohh
2014-11-28 21:27 <dahlia> orenh: which distro are you using?
2014-11-28 21:27 <dahlia> nebadon_laptop: tried your export MONO_GC_PARAMS=nursery-size=64m and now its leaking much faster
2014-11-28 21:27 <nebadon_laptop> wierd
2014-11-28 21:27 <nebadon_laptop> i dont think i was experiencing a leak
2014-11-28 21:28 <nebadon_laptop> i'll have to boot the vm again in a bit and look closer
2014-11-28 21:28 <dahlia> oh wait... it just shrunk by like 50%
2014-11-28 21:28 <dahlia> lol
2014-11-28 21:28 <nebadon_laptop> heh
2014-11-28 21:28 <nebadon_laptop> ya gc takes longer
2014-11-28 21:28 <BlueWall> the garbage truck came by :)
2014-11-28 21:28 <nebadon_laptop> but its less thrashy this way
2014-11-28 21:28 <nebadon_laptop> this was in use at OSCC
2014-11-28 21:28 <nebadon_laptop> and the OSgrid plazas for some time now
2014-11-28 21:29 <dahlia> does the sim freeze up when t collects?
2014-11-28 21:29 <nebadon_laptop> maybe under a very heavy load
2014-11-28 21:29 <nebadon_laptop> like 80+
2014-11-28 21:29 <dahlia> *it
2014-11-28 21:29 <nebadon_laptop> its not horrible though
2014-11-28 21:29 <nebadon_laptop> you kind of experienced it at some of the load tests
2014-11-28 21:30 <nebadon_laptop> i wouldnt say there is absolute corelation though
2014-11-28 21:30 <dahlia> ya those were pretty bad
2014-11-28 21:30 <nebadon_laptop> but it wouldnt surprise me that it was the cause
2014-11-28 21:30 <orenh> dahlia I use the default distribution on EC2: Amazon Linux AMI
2014-11-28 21:30 <nebadon_laptop> well some of those were a HG bug
2014-11-28 21:30 <orenh> well, Amazon Linux (the "AMI" is my addition)
2014-11-28 21:30 <nebadon_laptop> with attachments if you recall dahlia
2014-11-28 21:30 <nebadon_laptop> those really long bad pauses were likely not GC related
2014-11-28 21:30 <nebadon_laptop> thats what i thought but wasnt sure orenh, thanks for clarifying
2014-11-28 21:30 <orenh> I'm sure that the kernel is the problem because I switched back and forth on the same server, and merely changing the kernel caused the problem
2014-11-28 21:31 <dahlia> orenh: is that similar to any common non-EC2 distributions?
2014-11-28 21:31 <orenh> yes, it's based on CentOS
2014-11-28 21:31 <dahlia> ewww centos
2014-11-28 21:31 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-28 21:31 <dahlia> ;)
2014-11-28 21:31 <orenh> btw, not all regions cause the issue to happen
2014-11-28 21:31 <orenh> I found one "golden" region that crashed 100% of the time within a minute of starting
2014-11-28 21:31 <orenh> another region crashed 70% of the time
2014-11-28 21:31 <nebadon_laptop> ya its been very spotty for me as well
2014-11-28 21:31 <orenh> others, 10% or 0% of the time
2014-11-28 21:32 <nebadon_laptop> but its not been hard to make it happen either
2014-11-28 21:32 <dahlia> with that script you pasted?
2014-11-28 21:32 <nebadon_laptop> aggresive behaviors can trigger it
2014-11-28 21:32 <BlueWall> orenh, Robust shells ran 100% here, no crashes.
2014-11-28 21:32 <nebadon_laptop> yea
2014-11-28 21:32 <nebadon_laptop> like copying 100s of those cubes at once
2014-11-28 21:32 <orenh> my crashes were always in OpenSim, not Robust
2014-11-28 21:32 <nebadon_laptop> it wouldnt always trigger it
2014-11-28 21:32 <BlueWall> ++
2014-11-28 21:32 <nebadon_laptop> but eventually it would
2014-11-28 21:32 <dahlia> ya the only thing I see is leaks
2014-11-28 21:32 <orenh> I think high scripts and/or lots of prims cause it
2014-11-28 21:33 <orenh> no need to DO anything; just start the region
2014-11-28 21:33 <nebadon_laptop> yea BlueWall was seeing it that bad
2014-11-28 21:33 <nebadon_laptop> i never could get it to just crash on start
2014-11-28 21:33 <nebadon_laptop> always took a nudge
2014-11-28 21:33 <dahlia> would be helpful to have an oar that did it
2014-11-28 21:33 <orenh> well, it's a customer's region...
2014-11-28 21:34 <orenh> and it's hundreds of MB
2014-11-28 21:34 <dahlia> would be helpful to have an oar that replicated it
2014-11-28 21:34 <BlueWall> I had bare regions run overnight, or crash in a few hours.
2014-11-28 21:34 <dahlia> orenh: do you have memory leaks on it?
2014-11-28 21:34 <BlueWall> But I put those scripts with the timers and sleeps there and k-boom
2014-11-28 21:35 <orenh> I mean the OAR is 100s of MB
2014-11-28 21:35 <orenh> and the crash is within a minute of starting, so it's not a memory problem
2014-11-28 21:35 <BlueWall> orenh, lots of scripts?
2014-11-28 21:35 <dahlia> I dont mean that oar, just one that causes the problem
2014-11-28 21:36 <orenh> I'll check to remind myself what's in that region
2014-11-28 21:36 <dahlia> well only problem I see with that script is massive memory leaks
2014-11-28 21:36 <orenh> It's a 4-region megaregion with 50k prims. (But the crashes also happened with 1-region worlds)
2014-11-28 21:37 <BlueWall> yep, standalones crash here
2014-11-28 21:37 <dahlia> so its ODE?
2014-11-28 21:37 <BlueWall> Bullet here
2014-11-28 21:37 <dahlia> if its megaregion it has to be ODE doesnt it?
2014-11-28 21:37 <dahlia> I didnt think bullet worked on megas
2014-11-28 21:38 <BlueWall> Vars == Bullet
2014-11-28 21:38 <BlueWall> but, mayby you're right.
2014-11-28 21:38 <orenh> Uses ODE. But when I was testing the problem I tried other physics engines (including no physics), and the crashes still happened. So it's not ODE.
2014-11-28 21:39 <orenh> 1500 scripts
2014-11-28 21:39 <orenh> since it happened with no physics, the scripts are a more likely culprit
2014-11-28 21:39 <orenh> or the sheer number of prims
2014-11-28 21:39 <BlueWall> I would say that's it's not even the script engine. But I think scripts can crash it faster.
2014-11-28 21:40 <BlueWall> I had bare empty regions crash.
2014-11-28 21:40 <dahlia> really?
2014-11-28 21:40 <BlueWall> and I had a sim crash and bring down a neighbor on another instance (same machine)
2014-11-28 21:40 <BlueWall> yes
2014-11-28 21:40 <BlueWall> it is 100% unstable.
2014-11-28 21:40 <orenh> I've had simpler regions crash too, but not 100% of the time like this one
2014-11-28 21:40 <BlueWall> right
2014-11-28 21:41 <Ubit> nothing on log about the crash information ?
2014-11-28 21:41 <orenh> OpenSim shows nothing. I got a crash report from Mono similar to the one BlueWall posted.
2014-11-28 21:41 <BlueWall> no, instant stack trace dump to the console
2014-11-28 21:41 <BlueWall> http://pastebin.com/Rcxy6WrS
2014-11-28 21:44 <Ubit> 1098.../../gdb/dwarf2-frame.c:687: internal-error: Unknown CFI encountered.  ??
2014-11-28 21:44 <dahlia> looks like something wrong with gdb
2014-11-28 21:44 <Ubit> "
2014-11-28 21:44 <Ubit> 1099.A problem internal to GDB has been detected,
2014-11-28 21:44 <Ubit> 1100.further debugging may prove unreliable.
2014-11-28 21:45 <Ubit> "
2014-11-28 21:45 <Ubit> :)
2014-11-28 21:45 <BlueWall> gdb was complaining about some missing formatter
2014-11-28 21:45 <BlueWall> also some missing symbol tables (couild have loaded the rpm for those I suppose)
2014-11-28 21:46 <nebadon_laptop> ya i got same thing
2014-11-28 21:46 <Ubit> this log does have several scrips running
2014-11-28 21:47 <BlueWall> yes
2014-11-28 21:47 <BlueWall> probably 175 or so
2014-11-28 21:47 <BlueWall> that makes it crash faster
2014-11-28 21:48 <dahlia> I wonder if it would make sense to rebuild mono after updating the kernel? does mono use any of the kernel headers?
2014-11-28 21:49 <dahlia> meh probably not
2014-11-28 21:49 <Ubit> a lot of script threads at pthread_cond_timedwait .. whatever that is
2014-11-28 21:50 <dahlia> 
ACTION tries to avoid pthreads

2014-11-28 21:52 <BlueWall> If you're running packages on a distro, you have no means to rebuild software.
2014-11-28 21:53 <orenh> I'm using a version of Mono I compiled myself, btw
2014-11-28 21:53 <dahlia> ya but that doesnt mean there couldnt be some version mismatch issue somewhere
2014-11-28 21:53 <BlueWall> orenh, I was to + the distro package 
2014-11-28 21:53 <BlueWall> they were equal opportunity crashers
2014-11-28 21:54 <dahlia> lol
2014-11-28 21:54 <dahlia> affirmative action crashes?
2014-11-28 21:54 <orenh> This bug, among many other bugs, is why I was excited when I first heard about Microsoft opening up .NET
2014-11-28 21:54 <BlueWall> lol
2014-11-28 21:54 <orenh> and I hoped we'd get the full .NET runtime on Linux
2014-11-28 21:54 <orenh> but no, just bits and pieces added to Mono
2014-11-28 21:54 <orenh> so we're still going to crash :(
2014-11-28 21:54 <dahlia> ya I cant wait for .net on linux :D
2014-11-28 21:54 <dahlia> GIMME IT NAO
2014-11-28 21:55 <BlueWall> hehe
2014-11-28 22:04 <dahlia> nebadon_laptop: when you were playing around with sgen settings did you try the parallel sweep feature?
2014-11-28 22:05 <nebadon_laptop> i did not dahlia
2014-11-28 22:05 <dahlia> that looks pretty cool
2014-11-28 22:05 <nebadon_laptop> i will certainly test anything you think might be worth testing though
2014-11-28 22:05 <dahlia> that might mitigate the sim freezing during gc
2014-11-28 22:06 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-11-28 22:06 <dahlia> "To enable the multi-processor garbage collection, set the major variable to marksweep-par or marksweep-par-fixed"
2014-11-28 22:06 <nebadon_laptop> i'll give it a go on oscc when i can
2014-11-28 22:06 <BlueWall> I usually run that 
2014-11-28 22:06 <dahlia> does it help?
2014-11-28 22:07 <BlueWall> well, there's almost no load here to stress it, but it doesn't make it unstable.
2014-11-28 22:08 <nebadon_laptop> cool
2014-11-28 22:08 <nebadon_laptop> thats good
2014-11-28 22:09 <dahlia> well this thing is still leaking even with the nursery size adjusted
2014-11-28 22:12 <dahlia> well force gc returns instantly with it set
2014-11-28 23:10 <diva> so for about a week I have not been able to connect to any world's voice chat using any client on my desktop. Does anyone know what might be wrong?
2014-11-28 23:11 <diva> None of them work -- Singularity, OnLook, FS, ... It's like something is wrong on my desktop.
2014-11-28 23:11 <diva> But skype is working well
2014-11-28 23:12 <diva> the server thinks I'm connecting ok
2014-11-28 23:19 <diva> problem solved! There was a zombie SLVoice.exe process hanging on to dear life
2014-11-28 23:21 <LiruCookies> diva: There's a trick to beat that on Singularity, thanks to lkalif, you can enable multiple voice processes, not quite a fix, but it does defeat the issue.
2014-11-28 23:22 <diva> good to know, Liru, thanks
2014-11-28 23:23 <nebadon_laptop> make sure you dont have any slvoice.exe hung on task manager
2014-11-28 23:24 <nebadon_laptop> i always have 3-10 of them
2014-11-28 23:24 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-11-28 23:24 <nebadon_laptop> every since LL upgraded vivox its been pretty bad
2014-11-28 23:45 <Wanderer_42> Read that just now: I am in voice-chat in SL pretty often. It works without any problem. I use Firestorm
2014-11-29 00:01 <smxy> I usually have 15-20 of them when I go looking. It's nuts.
2014-11-29 00:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #3896 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-29 00:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3896: SUCCESS in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3896/
2014-11-29 00:20 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Somewhat improve avatar region crossings by properly preserving velocity when avatar enters the new region.
2014-11-29 00:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #3897 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-29 00:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3897: SUCCESS in 4 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3897/
2014-11-29 00:25 <osjenkins> jjustincc: When performing region cross, don't add the velocity to the new position in ETM.CrossAgentIntoNewRegionMain() since this has already been performed by SP.CheckForBorderCrossing()
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2014-11-29 00:32 <smxy> diva: In your email, you show setting the SearchURL in [LoginService]. Maybe I'm wrong, but I've been setting it in [Search] for a very long time. Am I doing it in the wrong place or is the setting in [Search] used some other way?
2014-11-29 00:34 <dahlia> mmmm turkey sandwich nom nom nom
2014-11-29 00:36 <diva> [Search]?
2014-11-29 00:36 <diva> I don't know about that section
2014-11-29 00:36 <diva> but it's in [LoginService] for sure
2014-11-29 00:37 <diva> that's a key-value that is sent and understood by the viewer at login
2014-11-29 00:37 <smxy> Okay. I think I've had it that way for years.
2014-11-29 00:37 <diva> it probably never worked :)
2014-11-29 00:37 <smxy> That's possible. :)
2014-11-29 00:37 <diva> if you send it at login, then the Search button works
2014-11-29 00:38 <diva> and its value is what I sent in the email
2014-11-29 00:38 <smxy> That doesn't require ossearch, does it?
2014-11-29 00:38 <diva> no
2014-11-29 00:39 <smxy> I have that configured. Perhaps *that's* where I learned to put it in [Search].
2014-11-29 00:39 <diva> MISearch has absolutely nothing to do with ossearch; it's completely different. I'm not sure ossearch does web-based search
2014-11-29 00:39 <diva> MISearch is web-based
2014-11-29 00:40 <smxy> Okay. I might punt on ossearch. It's the only reason I keep an apache running. Might be nice to drop it.
2014-11-29 00:40 <diva> I don't know how ossearch works. Is it a service that is made available directly to the viewer?
2014-11-29 00:41 <smxy> plugh would know. To be honest, I set it up years ago, but can't say that I actually use it.
2014-11-29 00:41 <smxy> Pretty sure plugh maintains it.
2014-11-29 00:43 <diva> well, nothing under a section named [Search] is passed on to the viewer at login. So it can't possibly be the same as SL search or MISearch
2014-11-29 00:43 <smxy> Okay.
2014-11-29 00:43 <diva> maybe it works via the sims
2014-11-29 00:44 <diva> I hadn't paid attention to MISearch in a while -- it's an engine, it runs on its own. But yesterday and today, I did pay attention, and was sort of surprised with the number of simulator registered with it. 700!
2014-11-29 00:45 <diva> and this is only simulators that are up&running as of this morning
2014-11-29 00:45 <diva> 700 is a lot!
2014-11-29 00:48 <smxy> hehe
2014-11-29 00:48 <smxy> Yes, it's a nice number.
2014-11-29 00:48 <diva> the registry has close to 5000 entries, but most are gone by now. OpenSims come and go, move to new addresses, etc. Still, 700 opensims up this morning is quite a sizeable number, especially because this is only a portion of all opensims out there.
2014-11-29 00:48 <smxy> With a bit of advertising of it, you might get a lot more.
2014-11-29 00:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #3898 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-29 00:50 <diva> If I had time, I would give more love to MISearch, but there's only so much time... Having it running is not a big deal, because it runs on its own, but improving it is a different story
2014-11-29 00:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3898: SUCCESS in 4 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3898/
2014-11-29 00:54 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Halve the prediction lag for region crossing to improve most flying region crossings without degrading the walk cross experience (neither of which have been that great anyway).
2014-11-29 00:54 <ox64-p> anyone know why when i restart my entire grid, simulators, robust and all...why it would still show people as signed in on friends list when they are not even logged on?
2014-11-29 00:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #3899 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-29 00:54 <ox64-p> and how would i fix it?
2014-11-29 00:54 <diva> yes. bad data in griduser table
2014-11-29 00:55 <ox64-p> so i need to delete something in the table when i restart?  
2014-11-29 00:55 <ox64-p> or will it just resolve itself, when that user signs back on?
2014-11-29 00:55 <diva> you need to set the OnLone column to 0
2014-11-29 00:55 <diva> it can resolve itself if ppl login and logout properly
2014-11-29 00:55 <diva> that bad data results from crahsed sessions
2014-11-29 00:56 <ox64-p> ok, it may have been my fault though about the bad data, i think i killed robust accidentally intsead of the proper shutdown with quit
2014-11-29 00:56 <dahlia> theres no timeout?
2014-11-29 00:56 <ox64-p> yeah people are crashing the regions like crazy
2014-11-29 00:56 <ox64-p> and i have no idea what's causing it
2014-11-29 00:56 <ox64-p> they just stop responding
2014-11-29 00:56 <NickyP> diva: looks like this is solved with your recent attention to search https://sourceforge.net/p/team-purple/kokua/tickets/320/
2014-11-29 00:57 <diva> NickyP yes indeed
2014-11-29 00:57 <diva> I finally made the query variable be the same as SL search's query
2014-11-29 00:57 <diva> so we don't need to add extra code in the viewer
2014-11-29 00:57 <diva> and it should just work
2014-11-29 00:58 <diva> as of now. As long as ppl send the right SearchURL at login
2014-11-29 00:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3899: SUCCESS in 4 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3899/
2014-11-29 00:58 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Remove a few indenting problems introduced to recent 265fe349 and convert the m_log.DebugFormat() call back to the original DetailLog call
2014-11-29 00:58 <diva> which, for MISearch, is this one:  http://search.metaverseink.com/opensim/results.jsp?
2014-11-29 01:01 <diva> my query variable was 'query'; SL's variable is just 'q'. Now I made mine just 'q' too
2014-11-29 01:02 <smxy> If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
2014-11-29 01:03 <diva> that part of the viewer's code is a bit contrived; I didn't want to have to patch all viewers out there...
2014-11-29 01:04 <diva> there's lots of things that can be made better now that I sorta know my way around the viewer code...
2014-11-29 01:09 <smxy> We definitely look forward to your results. :)
2014-11-29 01:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #3900 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-29 01:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3900: SUCCESS in 4 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3900/
2014-11-29 01:19 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Restore zero'ing RawVelocity in BSCharacter.ZeroMotion() in favour of not calling ZeroMotion in SetPhysicalProperties() at all
2014-11-29 01:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #3901 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-29 01:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3901: SUCCESS in 4 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3901/
2014-11-29 01:38 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Remove minor race condition where two threads could race on fields such as m_ScriptFailCount as set in XEngine.DoOnRezScriptQueue()
2014-11-29 01:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #3902 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-29 01:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3902: SUCCESS in 4 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3902/
2014-11-29 01:49 <osjenkins> jjustincc: If there are any exceptions in XEngine.DoOnRezScriptQueue() then log the error and always set m_CurrentCompile = null
2014-11-29 02:01 <ox64-p> i dont get this...simulator is dead again
2014-11-29 02:01 <ox64-p> and all i see in the logs are now:
2014-11-29 02:01 <ox64-p> 01:57:31 - [LOGHTTP]: Slow SynchronousRestObject request 1302 GET to http://grid.allurisestates.com:8003/assets/c0165b0f-cb0a-450a-a1a3-2726b3da6c52 took 102729ms, 0ms writing, 
2014-11-29 02:01 <ox64-p> but yet they are like on the same network....  0.675 ms ping
2014-11-29 02:02 <justinccAfk> Something is dead on the other end.  That kind of wait suggests things eventually timed out
2014-11-29 02:02 <justinccAfk> what version of opensim are you using?
2014-11-29 02:04 <ox64-p> asset server is fine, i can go to other sims that use it and it's working
2014-11-29 02:04 <ox64-p> so i dont know why it quits responding to the simulator
2014-11-29 02:04 <ox64-p> let's see
2014-11-29 02:05 <ox64-p> 0.8.0.1
2014-11-29 02:05 <dahlia> when I get a lot of messages like that sometimes the sim is extremely laggy
2014-11-29 02:05 <justincc> for starters, you really shoudl be running 0.8.0.3
2014-11-29 02:05 <justincc> thuogh that won't make any difference to this kind of issue
2014-11-29 02:05 <ox64-p> yep, it keeps throwing everyone off, and never recovers, then i have to restart it
2014-11-29 02:05 <dahlia> its like all the treads are used up on waiting http requests and the main thread is delayed
2014-11-29 02:05 <justincc> are you hg enabled?
2014-11-29 02:05 <ox64-p> yes
2014-11-29 02:06 <justincc> if you don't mind taking a risk, you may want to try master as that has various changes to deal with certain overload situations.  Whether that would help in your case or not I couldnt' say though
2014-11-29 02:07 <ox64-p> if someone has a crappy internet connection that keeps connecting to my region, would that cause these problems?
2014-11-29 02:07 <justincc> it's hard to say.  In theory no, in practice maybe
2014-11-29 02:07 <ox64-p> they always complain about things loading slow, even on regular secondlife, and i keep telling them it sounds like they are having internet issues, because they have problems on their web surfing and everything else too
2014-11-29 02:08 <dahlia> I think if someone teleports in wearing a lot of assets and their home grid has a slow connection that it can make a mess of things
2014-11-29 02:08 <smxy> It should just timeout, in that case.
2014-11-29 02:08 <smxy> Not make a mess.
2014-11-29 02:08 <justincc> and it is, after 100 seconds
2014-11-29 02:08 <ox64-p> everyone that is online now is local to the grid, i dont have any hypergrid visitors
2014-11-29 02:08 <ox64-p> (or was i should say)
2014-11-29 02:08 <dahlia> ya but everything locks up until some tasks clear up
2014-11-29 02:09 <smxy> ox64-p: you could try turning off HG and see if your issues go away. It would be another data point.
2014-11-29 02:10 <dahlia> also make sure your local cache is working and has everything in it
2014-11-29 02:10 <ox64-p> local cache?
2014-11-29 02:10 <ox64-p> in the viewer?
2014-11-29 02:10 <dahlia> ya probably flotsam
2014-11-29 02:10 <dahlia> no in the region
2014-11-29 02:10 <ox64-p> oh
2014-11-29 02:11 <dahlia> whats the command to fill it? fcache something
2014-11-29 02:11 <smxy> fcache assets
2014-11-29 02:12 <ox64-p> ah ok..i ran that, it mentions a few assets it did not find
2014-11-29 02:13 <ox64-p> but dont really know what that means
2014-11-29 02:16 <dahlia> I think what that command does is make sure the cache has all the assets in the region. Ive found that if some arent that it can lag things out pretty bad while it tries to get them from the grid asset server
2014-11-29 02:17 <smxy>                     MainConsole.Instance.Commands.AddCommand("Assets", true, "fcache assets", "fcache assets", "Attempt a deep scan and cache of all assets in all scenes", HandleConsoleCommand);
2014-11-29 02:17 <dahlia> which isnt really noticeable unless there are a lot requsted at the same time
2014-11-29 02:18 <ox64-p> hmmm interesting
2014-11-29 02:18 <smxy> I always run that right before I make an OAR.
2014-11-29 02:19 <ox64-p> is there a command to just delete those missing assets from the region??? it seems like if they aren't in the inventory that it wouldn't hurt to get rid of them, they aren't going to load anyways?
2014-11-29 02:19 <justincc> I'm beginning to think it should be run by default
2014-11-29 02:20 <justincc> ox64-p: you mean delete the references.  But what would you replace them with?
2014-11-29 02:20 <ox64-p> yeah the reference, sorry
2014-11-29 02:20 <justincc> we do need a console commadn to identify objects with such problems.  Unfortunately, it doesn't yet exist.
2014-11-29 02:20 <ox64-p> the asset doesnt exist, so nothing to delete there
2014-11-29 02:20 <justincc> the thing is though, the other end should report 'missing asset' very quickly
2014-11-29 02:21 <justincc> it shouldn't lead to some huge timeout in itself
2014-11-29 02:21 <ox64-p> i dont know that i would replace it.....it doesnt exist, so it wont rez in the region anyways, so deleting the reference shouldn't change the end result of what's being seen?
2014-11-29 02:21 <justincc> is your region stuck like this right now?
2014-11-29 02:21 <ox64-p> everyone crashed off
2014-11-29 02:21 <ox64-p> but i hung in there, and it seemed to recovered
2014-11-29 02:21 <ox64-p> no more of those messages in the logs
2014-11-29 02:21 <justincc> ah, that does indicate some kidn of overload then
2014-11-29 02:22 <justincc> or possibly poor network response, though you say that's not the issue
2014-11-29 02:22 <justincc> when this happens, you could execute the command "stats save" to save a load of stat information to a file which a trained eye might then be able to determine sometihng from
2014-11-29 02:22 <ox64-p> i wont swear to it...but it would just be weird if the network was messing up that bad
2014-11-29 02:22 <justincc> like if you have thread exhaustion for some reason, etc./
2014-11-29 02:23 <ox64-p> i guess i need to really keep a close eye on it...problem is when these things happens, im always not at home or here to see it
2014-11-29 02:24 <justincc> ideally this shouldn't happen, but it's immature and compilcated software, operating under the most complex conditions of distribued systems. etc.
2014-11-29 02:24 <ox64-p> true
2014-11-29 02:26 <justincc> alright, time to get some rest.  GOodnight folks
2014-11-29 02:26 <dahlia> alpha :D
2014-11-29 02:27 <ox64-p> lol
2014-11-29 02:34 <ox64-p> maybe it is something to do with the network connectivity
2014-11-29 02:35 <ox64-p> i might just move everything to another server and see if it goes away
2014-11-29 02:36 <ox64-p> and upgrade to 0.8.0.3 in the process
2014-11-29 02:36 <dahlia> sometimes people travel the hypergrid from a grid or standalone hosted from a home connetion which can be slow or not configured properly
2014-11-29 02:37 <dahlia> so if you wear something with a lot of assets and you go hypergridding around you create a lot of http traffic to your home grid
2014-11-29 02:39 <ox64-p> ahh, now i haven't really thought about that before...if you go to a really busy place through the hypergrid....everyone from that grid, their clients is retrieving the asset info for attachments directly from my grid's asset server?
2014-11-29 02:39 <diva> no
2014-11-29 02:40 <diva> asset transfers are grid-to-grid
2014-11-29 02:40 <ox64-p> ohh, good whew
2014-11-29 02:40 <ox64-p> seems like that would not be bad then?
2014-11-29 02:42 <diva> when ppl are wearing lots of attachments with lots of assets, it's only heavy at the time of HG teleport. There's basically a download of all those assets by the receiving sim
2014-11-29 02:42 <ox64-p> would seem the traffic for transferring attachments to another grid would be the same as if someone just logged into a region and their viewer needed the grid to transfer the attachment info
2014-11-29 02:46 <MarcusLlewellyn> I host from home. When a heavy avatar HGs in from someone else's home grid, it almost always fails the first try. The asset transfer can take longer than the TP timeout period.
2014-11-29 02:49 <ox64-p> yeah, im hosting from service providers so i dont run into that issue.  when we had everything lag out a bit ago, we all had been here for like over 30 minutes in the region and two people were building in that region.   according to robust, nobody tped in from HG or out out to HG 
2014-11-29 02:50 <ox64-p> i guess im leaning towards just a general network failure between robust and the opensim server
2014-11-29 02:51 <diva> from my experience, the vast majority of situations leading to sim crash or sim instability, besides bad mono, are caused by the script engine. We just can't push XEngine too much, it doesn't work very well.
2014-11-29 02:51 <diva> sometimes it completely craps out, scripts stop working entirely
2014-11-29 02:51 <diva> and it doesn't recover
2014-11-29 02:54 <ox64-p> what does the XEngine do?
2014-11-29 02:54 <ox64-p> run the scripts in objects?
2014-11-29 02:54 <diva> yes. It's the part of opensim that runs LSL scripts
2014-11-29 02:54 <ox64-p> ah ok
2014-11-29 02:55 <ox64-p> yeah luckily i dont have many scripts around running
2014-11-29 02:55 <diva> but do your users have attachs with heavy scripts?
2014-11-29 02:55 <ox64-p> nah
2014-11-29 02:56 <ox64-p> the only script im aware of them attaching is an AO
2014-11-29 02:57 <diva> the other issue I know that is problematic is linksets. If you have large linksets and you're unlking/linking things, it can get nasty
2014-11-29 02:58 <ox64-p> now we have had some pretty large linksets before
2014-11-29 02:59 <ox64-p> that's good to know 
2014-11-29 06:40 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-29 12:45 <osmantis> Bug #7384:04 Intermittent Opensim crash on Linux 32 bit platform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7384 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-11-29 12:48 <osmantis> Bug #7384:04 Intermittent Opensim crash on Linux 32 bit platform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7384 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-29 12:51 <osmantis> Bug #7384:04 Intermittent Opensim crash on Linux 32 bit platform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7384 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-29 12:59 <osmantis> Bug #7384:04 Intermittent Opensim crash on Linux 32 bit platform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7384 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-29 15:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #3903 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-29 15:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3903: SUCCESS in 4 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3903/
2014-11-29 15:09 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Correct 690fe0c to actually log the exception reported in DoOnRezScriptQueue()(and now the scene name).
2014-11-29 15:09 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-11-29 16:32 <smxy> Debian's apparently been forked, over systemd.
2014-11-29 16:33 <smxy> https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141127.212941.f55acc3a.en.html
2014-11-29 16:36 <AllenKerensky> lol smxy
2014-11-29 16:36 <BlueWall> Wow
2014-11-29 16:37 <nebadon> they have been talking about this for a while
2014-11-29 16:37 <smxy> It's an interestign read.
2014-11-29 16:37 <smxy> interesting*
2014-11-29 16:39 <nebadon> what a horrible name they picked
2014-11-29 16:39 <smxy> Agreed.
2014-11-29 16:39 <AllenKerensky> and once again, draining the swamp takes a hit to the face...
2014-11-29 16:39 <smxy> Hmm?
2014-11-29 16:40 <AllenKerensky> draining the swamp has been a contentious part of UNIX/Linux landscape for a while https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2002-May/msg00025.html
2014-11-29 16:41 <AllenKerensky> http://4fraziers.com/wp/2012/10/05/draining-the-swamp/
2014-11-29 16:43 <smxy> I'm not sure what the swamp is being drianed of ... ?
2014-11-29 16:43 <smxy> I'm not sure exactly what the swamp is, either.
2014-11-29 16:44 <nebadon> lol
2014-11-29 16:44 <smxy> okay, I've found the original post in that thread ... reading.
2014-11-29 16:46 <AllenKerensky> the swamp is the mess that open source has gotten itself into - Jim Gettys did a good presentation on it back in 2001 or so - and its been a fight since
2014-11-29 16:46 <AllenKerensky> and stuff like debian forking just makes problems worse
2014-11-29 16:46 <AllenKerensky> but - they gotta do what they gotta do
2014-11-29 16:47 <nebadon> debian was already forked
2014-11-29 16:47 <nebadon> its called Ubuntu
2014-11-29 16:47 <AllenKerensky> i know
2014-11-29 16:47 <nebadon> lol
2014-11-29 16:47 <AllenKerensky> fractured is another word that can be used in place of forked
2014-11-29 16:47 <AllenKerensky> every fork fractures the software space 
2014-11-29 16:47 <nebadon> Debians relevance has been fading for some time I think
2014-11-29 16:47 <AllenKerensky> yes very darwinian - but ultimately not very good for folks
2014-11-29 16:48 <BlueWall> lol, Stallman
2014-11-29 16:49 <BlueWall> Linux is not part of the GNU project. You may have decided to build upon the Linux OS for the GNU project, but that does not make Linux GNU. - Alan Cox
2014-11-29 16:49 <AllenKerensky> heh Alan
2014-11-29 16:50 <AllenKerensky> take the GNU out of Linux and what do you have - useless.
2014-11-29 16:52 <AllenKerensky> time will tell how this fork fares
2014-11-29 16:54 <BlueWall> https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd/running/debian.html
2014-11-29 16:57 <smxy> Read Getty's reply in that thread. Now I understand what the swamp is and why it needs to be drained. Yes, too many differeing implementations of things and too many places to configure the same thing. Quite a mess. As for Stallman, he's always been a bit of a dick, lol.
2014-11-29 16:58 <AllenKerensky> yeah sorry smxy I was looking for Getty's presentation and not getting it
2014-11-29 16:58 <AllenKerensky> can't remember where I read it long ago - but draining the swamp has been kind of a shorthand jargon since
2014-11-29 16:59 <AllenKerensky> and in a way systemd is both sides of the coin - it is a new implementation that breaks longstanding init 
2014-11-29 16:59 <smxy> I understand your earlier comment now, as forking only fractures the effort.
2014-11-29 16:59 <AllenKerensky> but - the aptly named upstart had already done that
2014-11-29 16:59 <AllenKerensky> and it does fracture the effort - teams fall apart over religion and politics and user experience suffers
2014-11-29 17:00 <smxy> Yes, I have to say I don't really like systemd as it is. It's swallowing everything and not doing a good job of it either. There needs to be some middle ground somehow.
2014-11-29 17:00 <BlueWall> But, doing a thing because that's the way it's always been done - or because some "holy man" says that's the way it should be done is 100% wrong too.
2014-11-29 17:00 <AllenKerensky> I get the problems systemd is trying to solve - its trying to boot servers for enterprise-grade life - rather than stay mired in 1980's boot
2014-11-29 17:01 <AllenKerensky> Linux is not UNIX either - it doesn't even try to pass for a UNIX these days - it's its own moving target
2014-11-29 17:01 <AllenKerensky> and systemd is trying to bring the Solaris service management framework to Linux and remove yet another hold Solaris had on enterprise not-Windows servers...
2014-11-29 17:02 <AllenKerensky> these devuan guys never intend to play in that space anyway - so feel free to fork but when the rest of the world is moving on...
2014-11-29 17:02 <smxy> I just think it needs some work. I wouldn't throw it out.
2014-11-29 17:03 <AllenKerensky> i like SysV init - but I won't miss it either - just like I don't pine for config.sys and autoexec.bat
2014-11-29 17:03 <AllenKerensky> yeah and these guys rather than getting in there and watchdogging systemd to make it better - have just left the sandbox with their toys
2014-11-29 17:04 <AllenKerensky> fair enough - but in the "Patches or GTFO" world of open-source - I think choosing GTFO is not usually the best strategy
2014-11-29 17:04 <smxy> I've been skeptical of their fork idea since they first mentioned it, as they moaned they didn't have time to deal with the mess of systemd, but yet they have time to make and manage and promote and develop a fork over the long term? Riiiight.
2014-11-29 17:05 <BlueWall> The are in a shrinking minority, it seems.
2014-11-29 17:05 <AllenKerensky> heheh yeah
2014-11-29 17:05 <AllenKerensky> well, they made the announcement - can't stuff the bomb back in the casing... just sit back and watch them ride the rocket
2014-11-29 17:06 <smxy> I think even some of the *BSDs are moving to systemd too.
2014-11-29 17:12 <AllenKerensky> well one thing I sort of learned from opensim - if I don't like something I have two choices: fix it or learn to live with it
2014-11-29 17:12 <AllenKerensky> that's bleeding over into areas I used to be a staunch fighter in, like the UNIX/Linux wars etc
2014-11-29 17:14 <lloy0076> Sorry to ask such a silly question, but I have an account on the Mantis bug tracking tool at http://opensimulator.org/mantis/ but for the life of me I can't see any search functionality apart from going directly to a bug number. Am I missing it somehow?
2014-11-29 17:14 <lloy0076> Oops
2014-11-29 17:14 <lloy0076> Just found it.
2014-11-29 17:14 <lloy0076> Sorry
2014-11-29 17:14 -!- lloy0076(~Adium@d122-109-129-252.adl801.sa.optusnet.com.au) has left #opensim-dev
2014-11-29 17:14 <AllenKerensky> no worries
2014-11-29 17:14 <AllenKerensky> I was almost there - glad you found it
2014-11-29 17:18 <smxy> Okay, this is a little long, but now I have some idea of why systemd is perhaps so hated. There's even a link to a comment by Linus on it. And I thought *Stallman* was a dick. This Kay Sievers person seems worse.
2014-11-29 17:18 <smxy> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76935
2014-11-29 17:24 <Plugh> PulseAudio was seen as a needed addition to the multiple layers of the audio system and it took several years to fix problems with it. From what I've read of systemd it looks like it is going to be the next nightmare to deal with.
2014-11-29 17:25 <AllenKerensky> yeah draining the swamp is like that
2014-11-29 17:25 <AllenKerensky> its hot, icky, occasionally laden with malaria...
2014-11-29 17:26 <AllenKerensky> in the end PulseAudio did unify a lot of the EXTREMELY scattered and disconnected audio space
2014-11-29 17:26 <Plugh> yeah. It woud appear to be a very bad thing for mission critical systems.
2014-11-29 17:26 <AllenKerensky> systemd is a bandaid over the fracturing boot space - udev? upstart? kernel + init hacking and workarounds
2014-11-29 17:26 <AllenKerensky> Linux and mission critical - there's a mistake unless you go in eyes wide open
2014-11-29 17:27 <Plugh> Depends on what mission. :)
2014-11-29 17:27 <AllenKerensky> linux support for enterprise or mission critical should (IMO) start with a team of C/C++ devs willing to tackle OS and app patches and work with upstream engineers
2014-11-29 17:28 <AllenKerensky> far too many folks expect commercial off the shelf type reliability and traditional approaches will still work with Linux
2014-11-29 17:28 <Plugh> With systemd hooking in to so many parts of the system the single point of failure becomes a real issue.
2014-11-29 17:28 <AllenKerensky> depends on the case - how many other SPoF exist in desktop?
2014-11-29 17:28 <AllenKerensky> getting into server, enterprise, mission-critical, embedded, etc- yeah it can be 
2014-11-29 17:29 <AllenKerensky> but no more than init which has a long glorious history of borking systems too
2014-11-29 17:29 <smxy> There's the issue that other software is having to depend on it, which affect other distos ability to not use systemd if they choose not to. It also affects other OSes that use the same tools and that wouldn't want to use systemd.
2014-11-29 17:29 <AllenKerensky> just remove /dev/null or glibc or put some junk in a modprobe conf file hehehe
2014-11-29 17:29 <smxy> but systemd isn't just an init replacement.
2014-11-29 17:29 <Plugh> If it was really mission critical I wouldn't run a desktop on the machine. 
2014-11-29 17:29 <smxy> It's eating the world from what I can see.
2014-11-29 17:29 <AllenKerensky> yeah it also rips out logging and replaces it
2014-11-29 17:30 <AllenKerensky> which also makes sense when dealing with service management, not just booting
2014-11-29 17:30 <smxy> way more than that. it's takes over mounting and logging and lots of other stuff.
2014-11-29 17:30 <Plugh> smxy: yea, it hooks in to a whole pile of things. It violates that concept of doing one thing and doing it well.
2014-11-29 17:30 <AllenKerensky> Plugh this is why Fedora has forked itself into 3 streams too
2014-11-29 17:31 <AllenKerensky> not sure I agree on that violation Plugh - it IS doing what it has to in order to bring up system services in a very complex, layered environment
2014-11-29 17:31 <AllenKerensky> storage is a service, clustering, hardware, etc there's a lot of management to do thesse days
2014-11-29 17:31 <AllenKerensky> we're long past the "boot from a ROM in the board" days
2014-11-29 17:32 <AllenKerensky> i expect a lot of the systemd angst is because Linux is now such a spectrum of things and different distros are in different places on that spectrum
2014-11-29 17:34 <Plugh> I'm still not a fan of the move to upstart(?) or whatever it is that Ubuntu and Mint are using. The runlevel system is gone. It used to be easy to start a system with or without X by changing run level. Now, if it is still easy, it is a completely different method for doing so.
2014-11-29 17:35 <smxy> Different != bad.
2014-11-29 17:35 <AllenKerensky> yeah from my past - Fedora went init -> upstart -> systemd ... and systemd was definitely more welcome to me than upstart
2014-11-29 17:35 <Plugh> I have no idea what it might be. Fortunately I haven't had to diagnose a video card/X windows error in a while.
2014-11-29 17:35 <AllenKerensky> yeah now systemd is milestones and dependencies and service unit files - still learning it all
2014-11-29 17:35 <Plugh> smxy: Doesn't always mean better either
2014-11-29 17:36 <AllenKerensky> well IMO systemd is better in several ways
2014-11-29 17:36 <Plugh> Oh? what ways?
2014-11-29 17:36 <AllenKerensky> but I had the benefit of going through this before on Solaris with the move to SMF
2014-11-29 17:36 <AllenKerensky> two benefits are that it does unify with logging that coexists or replaces syslog
2014-11-29 17:37 <BlueWall> I have not been too deep into it. But what I have looked at so-far, I think I like it better.
2014-11-29 17:37 <AllenKerensky> which lets you check a service and see its status including log entries in one go
2014-11-29 17:37 <AllenKerensky> and the second is dependencies and milestones and all that rot lets you troubleshoot service problems more sanely
2014-11-29 17:37 <AllenKerensky> you can take down a service, related/dependent services also come down
2014-11-29 17:38 <AllenKerensky> rather than that clunky and not granular "runlevel"
2014-11-29 17:38 <AllenKerensky> oh, I need to mess with storage or networking or what not - fine - the rest of the system is not bothered UNLESS it depends/requires
2014-11-29 17:38 <AllenKerensky> its got an aspect of feeling like cluster support when you get down into it
2014-11-29 17:38 <AllenKerensky> oh, this service/resource is faulted - also affecting these systems
2014-11-29 17:39 <AllenKerensky> and there's some self-heal already working that is related to all of that
2014-11-29 17:39 <BlueWall> I have had some trouble when debugging things (because some apps are not there yet) trying to use journaltcl to see what happened.
2014-11-29 17:39 <AllenKerensky> a service faults - and you've set it up - it can self heal and restart all the related bits
2014-11-29 17:39 <AllenKerensky> yea I think there's a way to go with it - its still hit or miss for me too
2014-11-29 17:40 <Plugh> runlevel was useful for the larger picture of running with or without X. It was never useful for finer grained control of specific services. I've used the 'service' command for that. Dependencies on services could be useful as long as the dependency system makes sense. 
2014-11-29 17:40 <AllenKerensky> but - I've had some wins when dealing with service faults that give me some hope and confidence that this story ends in a good place
2014-11-29 17:40 <AllenKerensky> I've NOT made the trek through systemctl to get opensim as a service with database and web dependencies in the unit files
2014-11-29 17:40 <AllenKerensky> but - I can sort of see how that would work and it would be cool
2014-11-29 17:41 <Plugh> In package management dependencies are often out of hand. One package can pull in a ton of other stuff. I could see a case of taking down a serivice and it shutting down a load of other processes due to bad dependencies where those other processes should stay up.
2014-11-29 17:41 <AllenKerensky> if the database faults - systemd could take down the sims as needed or whatnot
2014-11-29 17:41 <AllenKerensky> Plugh yeah for services it needs to be like cluster affinities
2014-11-29 17:41 <AllenKerensky> maybe it will get there
2014-11-29 17:42 <AllenKerensky> but so far I've not seen anything too egregious (or more egregious than any other new thing)
2014-11-29 17:42 <Plugh> Perhaps the real question is whether systemd has been around long enough to have been properly tested and debugged so we don't have the same fiasco with it that we did with PA
2014-11-29 17:42 <AllenKerensky> GNOME3 and wayland were far more disruptive on Fedora than systemd has been
2014-11-29 17:43 <Plugh> I'm sure at some point I'll get stuck with systemd in a later upgrade to my Mint distro and will have to deal with it. I just hope it won't break my machine like PA did for several years.
2014-11-29 17:44 <AllenKerensky> yeah PA was a nightmare on Fedora to get viewer sound with SLvoice working again
2014-11-29 17:44 <Plugh> PA broke the audio on my computer that had been working perfectly under ALSA
2014-11-29 17:45 <AllenKerensky> same here
2014-11-29 17:46 <BlueWall> What sux is when they start removing all the ways you can configure it - pretending they know more about your setup than you do.
2014-11-29 17:46 <AllenKerensky> yeah on Fedora you had to install a load of extra PA packages to regain control
2014-11-29 17:49 <BlueWall> Heh, just wait until someone gets the bright idea to replace /etc with a sytem registry 0.0
2014-11-29 17:49 <smxy> F.U. for even *suggesting* that. :)
2014-11-29 17:49 <smxy> lol
2014-11-29 17:49 <AllenKerensky> gnome etc already do that with their xml laden config directories
2014-11-29 17:49 <BlueWall> /usr/sbin/REGEDIT.EXE
2014-11-29 17:50 <BlueWall> lol
2014-11-29 17:50 <AllenKerensky> sometimes trying to find a setting to fix - I've prayed for regedit
2014-11-29 17:50 <AllenKerensky> F.U. gnomevfs
2014-11-29 17:50 <AllenKerensky> i came from .Xsettings - I can't handle some of this new-fangled nonsense
2014-11-29 17:51 <smxy> now now. different !+ bad :)
2014-11-29 17:51 <smxy> !=
2014-11-29 17:51 <AllenKerensky> sometimes - it is
2014-11-29 17:52 <AllenKerensky> part of how I ended up running Xfce instead of gnome
2014-11-29 17:52 <smxy> yeah, that's what I'm running on VMs now. Why on eaarth would I add the bloat of Gnome (or KDE)?
2014-11-29 17:53 <smxy> On servers, that is.
2014-11-29 17:53 <BlueWall> sometimes I put bare essentials on VM to run things like gvim, then use ssh -X 
2014-11-29 17:53 <smxy> Desktops are a whole different kettle of fish.
2014-11-29 17:54 <AllenKerensky> yeah just libX and ssh -X for servers that have graphical setup apps (Oracle DB, SAP I am looking at you)
2014-11-29 17:54 <smxy> Right Bluewall, or to easily install some gui-based software. Xfve and vnc and you're all set.
2014-11-29 17:54 <smxy> exactly
2014-11-29 17:55 <BlueWall> I never use X on servers outside my LAN
2014-11-29 18:00 <smxy> I just learned a new word: bikeshedding
2014-11-29 18:02 <AllenKerensky> lol
2014-11-29 18:03 <smxy> I've seen that behavior before - even been guilty of it - but didn't know it had a name.
2014-11-29 18:03 <smxy> Or that there was a "Law" behind it.
2014-11-29 18:44 <smxy> Ha! 'There should be an analogue to Godwin's law for Linux. Something along the lines of "As the discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison to RMS approaches 1".'
2014-11-29 18:45 <AllenKerensky> the godwin RMS corollary?
2014-11-29 18:45 <smxy> yes
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2014-11-30 02:34 <osmantis> Bug #7385:04 [BULLETSIM TERRAIN MANAGER]: GetTerrainHeightAtXY: terrain not found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7385 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2014-11-30 15:26 <osmantis> Bug #7386:04 [SCRIPT] Scale Factor functions are not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7386 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2014-11-30 15:41 <diva> Melanie_, when you're around: I see that the viewer has a "plugin" architecture alerady (uses like the webkit). Do you think JavaScript should be integrated as a plugin too? In many ways, it would be cleaner. Any cons?
2014-11-30 15:42 <diva> Maybe performance is not good? (the webkit performance sucks)
2014-11-30 15:48 <LiruCookies> diva: It's out of thread, but yeah, it might be cleaner.
2014-11-30 15:51 <diva> yeah, I don't have a lot of experience with that mechanism for IPC, but I like its cleaniless. Eventually we should do the same for the server-side script engine, maybe. That way we'll have a more flexibility wrt scripting languages too (at least server-side).
2014-11-30 15:52 <diva> (I've been very tempted to make a Python script engine as an alternative to LSL)
2014-11-30 15:54 <diva> Liru is the viewer using pipes?
2014-11-30 15:54 <diva> I see mentions of both pipes and shared memory
2014-11-30 15:57 <LiruCookies> Think so
2014-11-30 15:58 <LiruCookies> Haven't looked at that code deeply in a while.
2014-11-30 16:32 <antont> diva: we wrote opensim regionmodules in python way back then btw .. Melanie also put the module for that in her opensim git extensions repo somewhere but i couldn't find that now, the original quick hacky thing is at https://github.com/realXtend/OpensimPython/blob/master/Modules/PythonModuleLoader.cs
2014-11-30 16:33 <ox64-p> has anyone ever wrote a region module that allows a user in world that owns a region to save or load a oar from either issuing a special command in chat or through a script in a object before? (or something similar)
2014-11-30 16:34 <antont> yah we actually did that, i think we had in-world buttons for loading & unloading scene parts, via oar
2014-11-30 16:35 <ox64-p> ive never messed with modules before, so dont know how hard it would be to do
2014-11-30 16:35 <antont> was pretty simple and straightforward iirc
2014-11-30 16:43 <Plugh> If you are using the remote console you wouldn't need to create a module.
2014-11-30 16:43 <ox64-p> like wifi?
2014-11-30 16:44 <Plugh> It is part of OpenSimulator. If you want to use it you just have to configure it.
2014-11-30 16:44 <ox64-p> i use that now to back up regions, but this is wearing me out having to run after people backing pu their stuff so they dont come screaming at me later when they accidentally delete something then blame it on a crash instead
2014-11-30 16:44 <ox64-p> id rather them have the responsibility of backing their own region up
2014-11-30 16:46 <ox64-p> but other users can't use remote console?
2014-11-30 16:47 <diva> antont does that launch the python interpreter in a different process?
2014-11-30 16:47 <Plugh> Unless you really trust them I wouldn't let other users have access to the remote console. You can have an inworld object issue a save/load oar command to an external PHP file on a website. The PHP file would validate the request and issue the appropriate command to the OpenSim instance.
2014-11-30 16:48 <diva> antont that's ironpython, so I assume that creates the interpreter in the same process
2014-11-30 16:48 <ox64-p> yeah that was what i was thinking i would have to do...i just have to figure out how to do that 
2014-11-30 16:50 <ox64-p> ah yes, that gave me some ideas
2014-11-30 16:50 <ox64-p> i could see how i could make that work
2014-11-30 16:50 <ox64-p> well kinda, dont know blah
2014-11-30 16:51 <diva> antont and that seems to support region modules written in Python, not scripts? Not sure
2014-11-30 16:51 <ox64-p> i need to study up more on how that remote access works communication wise
2014-11-30 16:53 <Plugh> ox64-p: llHttpRequest to send a save oar command to a PHP file. The PHP side would need to be told which region and who is making the request. IIRC, the regions table will have the IP and port numbers you will need to know so you can pass a command to the instance. You would validate that the given user owns the region in question before sending the OAR load/save command to the instance.
2014-11-30 16:59 <antont> diva: yep region modules only
2014-11-30 16:59 <antont> diva: and yep interpreter in the same process, works like c# region modules, accesses the same mem directly etc
2014-11-30 17:00 <antont> we are used to writing games as normal apps, a single codebase that does everything in the game. so region modules allow to do exactly that. not many scripts that message to each other etc like in lsl
2014-11-30 17:01 <antont> back then we used py also on client side, and in our other game things, so was nice to have it in opensim too .. now we don't have client side or game client codes in it anymore, backend services (leaderboard and such) yes
2014-11-30 17:01 <antont> .. at playsign, that is
2014-11-30 17:05 <diva> there's a place for both models. User-facing scripting is good for small things that everyone can script. Server-side code is good for serious apps that require more power. We use region modules for lots of serious things, but one thing that bugs me about them is the lack of support for reloading them without shutting down the simulator. That's very annoying.
2014-11-30 17:09 <antont> diva: yah that py thing supports live reload
2014-11-30 17:09 <antont> with the 'py-reload' console command or so
2014-11-30 17:09 <antont> one of the reasons why we made it
2014-11-30 19:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #3904 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-30 19:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3904: SUCCESS in 4 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3904/
2014-11-30 19:05 <osjenkins> bluewall: Set configuration files to use key expansion for widely used common settings.
2014-11-30 19:05 <smxy> Oooh. Now I have to go make mine match yours. And see what I did that you didn't. Or vice versa. :)
2014-11-30 19:05 <BlueWall> smxy, it is only setting a base url and the public/private ports
2014-11-30 19:06 <smxy> That was the majority of mine.
2014-11-30 19:06 <BlueWall> the other thing I use here is a base path for the filesystem locations
2014-11-30 19:06 <smxy> If I see anything I did that might be useful to others, I'll run it by you.
2014-11-30 19:06 <BlueWall> I use /var/* here for most dynamic data
2014-11-30 19:07 <smxy> I do something similar.
2014-11-30 19:07 <smxy> I have a var and an etc
2014-11-30 19:07 <BlueWall> ++
2014-11-30 19:07 <smxy> Nothing is ever changed in bin or below.
2014-11-30 19:07 <smxy> Or written.
2014-11-30 19:08 <BlueWall> smae here
2014-11-30 19:13 <smxy> I have an NFS share that I mount as /opensim, which has var, etc, tools, releases and so on, directories.
2014-11-30 19:13 <smxy> So all VMs use the one shared dir.
2014-11-30 19:18 <smxy> BlueWall: I created a VoicePort for that one 8004 usage.
2014-11-30 19:20 <BlueWall> Yeah, some of those things I was not sure about. so some feedcack will be helpful on those.
2014-11-30 19:23 <smxy> I'm merging now and will see where we differ. :)
2014-11-30 19:28 <misterblue> ping nebadon_laptop: is that an iar with your latest car? I'm doing BulletSim testing
2014-11-30 19:28 <smxy> When you did your global search and replace, you only caught the first instance per line. :)
2014-11-30 19:28 <smxy> BlueWall:^^
2014-11-30 19:29 <BlueWall> ohh, ports?
2014-11-30 19:29 <smxy> yes :)
2014-11-30 19:30 <smxy> Aside from that, we're mostly the same. I define the location of my var in the environment, so I pull that in and use it in many places, but Most would nevver do that.
2014-11-30 19:31 <smxy> I also made a const called GridName that I use in a few places.
2014-11-30 19:31 <nebadon_laptop> misterblue > http://nebadon2025.com/oars/physics_arena_2013_02_03.oar
2014-11-30 19:32 <misterblue> excellent, thanks
2014-11-30 19:37 <BlueWall> smxy, I see those that were missed. Actually, I need to go back and restore the port numbers in the examples.
2014-11-30 19:38 <smxy> Yes, I had left a few in the comments unchanged
2014-11-30 19:38 <smxy> As reference
2014-11-30 19:38 <smxy> Not where it was commented out, but in actual commentary
2014-11-30 19:39 <BlueWall> right
2014-11-30 19:39 <smxy> I used BaseURL in a few more places than you did, but not many.
2014-11-30 19:42 <Melanie_> diva: a plugin can't directly interact with existing LLUI elements
2014-11-30 19:43 <Melanie_> at this point, extending the plugin interface to do that is probably more work than not making it a plugin at all
2014-11-30 19:43 <Melanie_> because an extension that is just narrow enough to do what is needed now would have to be revised often
2014-11-30 19:43 <Melanie_> while one as broad as one should have is a massive undertaking
2014-11-30 19:43 <Melanie_> and frequent changes to an interface are never good
2014-11-30 19:44 <Melanie_> from a software achitectture POV, it is better to integrate directly but retain a sharp division between vewer proper and engine in code so tha, once matured, that can be moved into the interfaces
2014-11-30 19:45 <Melanie_> but the viewer is a true spaghetti, so it may not be easy or even possible to do that in all cases
2014-11-30 19:45 <smxy> BlueWall: There are a couple of 127.0.0.1 entries that you might want to make BaseURL.
2014-11-30 19:45 <BlueWall> can you point them out?
2014-11-30 19:46 <smxy> let me look
2014-11-30 19:48 <smxy> maybe only one, in robust config, [GridService]: ; GatekeeperURI = "http://127.0.0.1:${Const|PublicPort}"
2014-11-30 19:50 <BlueWall> Ok, thanks
2014-11-30 19:53 <smxy> Yeah, our only real difference is my pervasive use of a couple of environment variables.
2014-11-30 19:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #3905 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-11-30 20:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3905: FAILURE in 4 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3905/
2014-11-30 20:03 <osjenkins> bluewall: A little bit of cleanup behind commit r5f88ceab2269
2014-11-30 20:05 <smxy> BlueWall: what about the example ports in the robust hg's [Hypergrid] section?
2014-11-30 20:06 <smxy> BlueWall: also, in that GatekeeperURI you just changed, you forgot to remove http://
2014-11-30 20:06 <BlueWall> :p
2014-11-30 20:06 <smxy> That's in BaseURL already :)
2014-11-30 20:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #3906 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #3904 1 hr 10 min ago)
2014-11-30 20:10 <BlueWall> 0.0 fail
2014-11-30 20:11 <smxy> :)
2014-11-30 20:14 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2014-11-30 20:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3906: FIXED in 4 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3906/
2014-11-30 20:14 <osjenkins> bluewall: A little more cleaning of config files.
2014-11-30 20:17 <smxy> And this could probably have used BaseURL. :P
2014-11-30 20:17 <smxy> ;; SimianServiceURL = "http://grid.sciencesim.com/Grid/"
2014-11-30 20:17 <BlueWall> probably so. I left a few things alone though.
2014-11-30 20:39 <dahlia> whats changing in config files?
2014-11-30 20:39 <smxy> Just the use of constants
2014-11-30 20:39 <smxy> only have to edit the most common things right at the top of the file.
2014-11-30 20:40 <dahlia> but older format still works?
2014-11-30 20:40 <smxy> Should. No new things were added.
2014-11-30 20:41 <smxy> Just substitutions of values for the constant and then defining the constat at the top of the file
2014-11-30 20:41 <dahlia> oh like a preprocessor macro like thing?
2014-11-30 20:41 <smxy> yeah
2014-11-30 20:42 <smxy> You should merge the change at some point, but it isn't critical that you do it right this moment.
2014-11-30 22:30 <diva> ok Melanie_ I take your word for it. I've been thinking on the back of my mind on how to do it, and that was the first big architectural fork in the road that I saw. Christmas vacation is coming, and I'd like to hit the ground running when it comes.
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2014-12-01 03:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #3907 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2014-12-01 04:00 <osmantis> Bug #7371:04 BulletSim-- Crash when have more then 2-3 cut prims physical. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7371 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-01 04:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3907: SUCCESS in 9 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3907/
2014-12-01 04:03 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: add shape and linkset rebuild scheduled flags. Add BSPrim.Incomplete flag based on rebuild flags to say when an object is being rebuilt.
2014-12-01 04:03 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: Make BSPrimLinkable 'incomplete' if any of its children are waiting for assets to load.
2014-12-01 04:03 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: add BSLinkset.AllPartsComplete that checks of all linkset members are not Incomplete and not waiting for assets. Change BSPrimLinkable to use AllPartsComplete.
2014-12-01 04:03 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: Remove linkset 'Incomplete' flag as its meaning couldn't be made clear. Add 'InternalScheduleRebuild() CHange rebuild code to call InternalScheduleRebuild() rather than ForceRebuild() to limit the scope of the changes made by the linkset.
2014-12-01 04:03 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: move detail log of InternalScheduleRebuild to reduce log file spam
2014-12-01 04:03 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: update BulletSim DLLs and SOs.
2014-12-01 08:55 <osmantis> Bug #7336:04 PGSQL exception Groups Handler 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7336 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-01 13:19 <osmantis> Bug #7387:04 [INVENTORY] Object in prim inventory disappeared on Rez Level 2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7387 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2014-12-01 15:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #3908 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-12-01 15:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3908: SUCCESS in 4 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3908/
2014-12-01 15:21 <osjenkins> bluewall: Fix typo in ini
2014-12-01 15:59 <osmantis> Bug #7271:04 Reappearance of [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7271 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-01 19:18 <nebadon_laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVi77kr4qrY
2014-12-01 20:19 <BlueWall> Nice :)
2014-12-01 20:23 <osmantis> Bug #7271:04 Reappearance of [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7271 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-01 20:50 <osmantis> Bug #7199:04 [LLCLIENTVIEW]: "Caught exception" with Firestorm-Viewer in Standalone 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7199 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-01 21:33 <osmantis> Bug #7188:04 llClientview Exception. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7188 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-12-02 09:07 <osmantis> Bug #7020:04 OpenMetaverse Failed to decode mesh asset zlib.ZStreamException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7020 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-02 09:30 <osmantis> Bug #6735:04 OSGrid latest release shows a lot of [WARP 3D IMAGE MODULE]: Error decoding JPEG2000 texture messages 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6735 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-02 20:05 <Plugh> oops... I killed my viewer by hitting a ctrl key combo when the map was up and I was trying to paste in to it.
2014-12-02 20:06 <nebadon_laptop> wow for some serious time travel HG to > http://grid.wwweb3d.net:8002 wrong plaza
2014-12-02 20:43 <LiruCookies> Plugh: what viewer?
2014-12-02 20:44 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: I cannot replicate the issue you are reporting - I can see into neighbouring 768x768 var regions just fine
2014-12-02 20:44 <nebadon_laptop> diva? anything to add?
2014-12-02 20:45 <nebadon_laptop> I really don't know justincc
2014-12-02 20:46 <justincc> of course, terrain doesn't appear unless you are near border because of the altered terrain sending
2014-12-02 20:55 <justincc> none of the merged changes would obviously affect child agent creation
2014-12-02 20:55 <justincc> or data send, rather
2014-12-02 21:15 <Plugh> LiruCookies: Singularity
2014-12-02 22:26 <smxy> I'm getting a lot of OLD ml mails delivered today - some as far back as Aptil 24th. Anyone know what's up?
2014-12-02 22:27 <smxy> April*
2014-12-02 22:27 <AliciaRaven> justin said "the reason older messages are suddenly showing up is that I had reason to go through the opensim-dev moderation queue and a lot of messages were sitting there because of a too low message byte limit.  This has now been corrected"
2014-12-02 22:28 <AliciaRaven> was wondering the same, just seen that in one of justins emails sent tonight
2014-12-02 22:28 <AliciaRaven> smxy ^^
2014-12-02 22:29 <smxy> Thanks Alicia
2014-12-02 22:29 <AliciaRaven> np
2014-12-02 22:30 <smxy> So no one has botherd to see if anything was moderated since April. Wow. Good ML management.
2014-12-03 00:09 <diva> what altered terrain sending justincc?
2014-12-03 00:31 <justincc> diva: nothing recent, that's a much older change by misterblue to stop the viewer being swamped by terrain packets on varregions I think
2014-12-03 00:31 <justincc> diva: so what do you see happening?  Is it that child agents are placed in the regions but for some reason nothing ever appears in the viewer?
2014-12-03 00:31 <diva> yes
2014-12-03 00:32 <diva> no data whatsoever comes in
2014-12-03 00:32 <Ken_S> I am getting reports that sim crossing behavior between vars seems to depend on the direction you are crossing.
2014-12-03 00:32 <diva> if you then tp there, you see it
2014-12-03 00:32 <Ken_S> Anyone else noticed this?
2014-12-03 00:32 <justincc> diva: and this is just a simple initial login?  Nothing else going on in the background/
2014-12-03 00:32 <justincc> ?
2014-12-03 00:33 <diva> correct
2014-12-03 00:33 <diva> nebadon noticed it first, and he was login in directly
2014-12-03 00:33 <diva> I teleported, and saw the same result
2014-12-03 00:33 <diva> also saw it in another set of regions on a 2x2 configuration
2014-12-03 00:34 <diva> the problem went away when I moved back to that older revision
2014-12-03 00:34 <justincc> have you tried any simpler test configurations, like 1x2?
2014-12-03 00:34 <diva> I'll try
2014-12-03 00:34 <diva> I can do it now
2014-12-03 00:34 <justincc> ok
2014-12-03 00:36 <justincc> diva: this is for terrain as well?  I've only tested that myself, not sometihg with objects
2014-12-03 00:38 <diva> there was nothing coming in, no terrain, no objects
2014-12-03 00:39 <AllenKerensky> sounds like the "infinite sky" I see from time to time
2014-12-03 00:39 <AllenKerensky> TP in, you can chat if people are there, but no terrain or objects, just infinite sky and the slvoice dot overhead
2014-12-03 00:39 <AllenKerensky> if you use a mousewheel to zoom in and out that works - you can see the slvoice dot move
2014-12-03 00:40 <diva> no, this is for neighoring regions
2014-12-03 00:40 <AllenKerensky> ah okay sorry
2014-12-03 00:40 <diva> cd dev2
2014-12-03 00:41 <diva> duh
2014-12-03 00:48 <diva> justincc I can't repro now...
2014-12-03 00:48 <diva> good, I guess!
2014-12-03 00:49 <justincc> hm, maybe 2z2 only?
2014-12-03 00:49 <diva> everything is back
2014-12-03 00:49 <justincc> is it easy for you to switch back?
2014-12-03 00:49 <diva> I wonder what that was
2014-12-03 00:49 <justincc> 2x2
2014-12-03 00:49 <diva> I already did both
2014-12-03 00:49 <diva> 2x1 and 2x2
2014-12-03 00:49 <justincc> or can you no longer repro on 2x2
2014-12-03 00:49 <justincc> ok
2014-12-03 00:49 <diva> added 1 at a time
2014-12-03 00:49 <diva> everything is good! I really don't know what that was
2014-12-03 00:49 <justincc> yeah, there's nothing in that merge that I would have thought would affect child agents, but it's certainly possible there's some subtle effect that only shows up occasionally
2014-12-03 00:49 <diva> maybe it was the otehr bug that nebadon was talking about related to mesh
2014-12-03 00:49 <justincc> if we're unlucky
2014-12-03 00:50 <justincc> pls let me know if it shows up again
2014-12-03 00:50 <diva> I will! Thanks
2014-12-03 00:51 <justincc> of course, I hope it's some other glitch :)
2014-12-03 00:51 <diva> hmm just making sure I'm actually in head
2014-12-03 00:51 <justincc> ha
2014-12-03 00:52 <diva> I may not be... :/
2014-12-03 00:55 <diva> no, I am, I think
2014-12-03 00:56 <justincc> 
ACTION isn't going to get his hopes up now

2014-12-03 00:56 <diva> well, I'll keep an eye
2014-12-03 00:56 <justincc> ok
2014-12-03 00:56 <justincc> Ken_S: I havent' done a lot of crossing between vars, so I don't know
2014-12-03 00:56 <diva> neb was definitely experiencing something weird
2014-12-03 00:56 <diva> and I did too
2014-12-03 00:57 <justincc> ok.  I'll keep my local systems with multiple vars as well and see if I hit it
2014-12-03 00:58 <justincc> though that might not help much if they're very local and blank
2014-12-03 00:58 <nebadon_laptop> diva if it is that bug, ive never seen it react that way before
2014-12-03 00:58 <nebadon_laptop> and ive seen that bug crop up a lot when placing terrain
2014-12-03 00:58 <nebadon_laptop> everytime we do a new model since switching to var
2014-12-03 00:58 <justincc> what bug is that?  Something to do with mesh?
2014-12-03 00:59 <nebadon_laptop> yes but a very specific case it seems
2014-12-03 00:59 <nebadon_laptop> we create mesh terrain tiles
2014-12-03 00:59 <nebadon_laptop> anywhere from 24 to 64 tiles per region in a single linkset that spans the entire 768x768
2014-12-03 00:59 <justincc> oh, so you're seeing this problem with mesh terrain rather than 'normal'?
2014-12-03 00:59 <nebadon_laptop> say i have a 4 region setup as i described earlier
2014-12-03 00:59 <nebadon_laptop> 34
2014-12-03 00:59 <nebadon_laptop> 12
2014-12-03 01:00 <nebadon_laptop> im in region 1 and i rez the terrain linkset i just uploaded
2014-12-03 01:00 <nebadon_laptop> and instead of rezzing in 1 it shows up in 4
2014-12-03 01:00 <nebadon_laptop> if i try to drag it back over the border I can not
2014-12-03 01:00 <justincc> you only see this with super large objects?
2014-12-03 01:00 <nebadon_laptop> and here is where it gets odd
2014-12-03 01:00 <nebadon_laptop> i delete the visible one in 4 that i cant move
2014-12-03 01:01 <nebadon_laptop> then go back to the region console for region 1 and type force update
2014-12-03 01:01 <nebadon_laptop> now the one in region 1 becomes visible and i can place it
2014-12-03 01:01 <nebadon_laptop> sometimes i have to relog before i see the terrain in 4
2014-12-03 01:01 <justincc> but just to confirm, the problem you saw earlier is with mesh terrain and not normal terrain?
2014-12-03 01:01 <nebadon_laptop> as you can imagine in a large area say 3 x 5 simulators
2014-12-03 01:01 <nebadon_laptop> it gets old quick
2014-12-03 01:02 <nebadon_laptop> correct mesh terrain
2014-12-03 01:02 <diva> justincc I think it was both
2014-12-03 01:02 <diva> what?
2014-12-03 01:02 <justincc> ajnd other objects too?
2014-12-03 01:02 <diva> you saw thw terrain?
2014-12-03 01:02 <nebadon_laptop> yes this is the first time i have ever experienced this bug we saw diva
2014-12-03 01:02 <nebadon_laptop> its never reacted in this way before
2014-12-03 01:02 <diva> but were you seeing the normal terrain?
2014-12-03 01:02 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2014-12-03 01:02 <diva> oh ok!
2014-12-03 01:02 <diva> then never mind justincc
2014-12-03 01:02 <nebadon_laptop> just a few weks before we setup Flemingsberg model
2014-12-03 01:02 <diva> all is well!
2014-12-03 01:02 <justincc> but you weren't seeing normal terrain diva?
2014-12-03 01:02 <nebadon_laptop> and its the same configuration and no prblem
2014-12-03 01:03 <justincc> ok :)
2014-12-03 01:03 <nebadon_laptop> is it though?
2014-12-03 01:03 <diva> justincc I wasn't but now that you mention the new way of loading terrain it might have been because I wasn't moving
2014-12-03 01:03 <nebadon_laptop> did you update things again?
2014-12-03 01:03 <diva> I updated dev2
2014-12-03 01:03 <nebadon_laptop> no its not that 
2014-12-03 01:03 <nebadon_laptop> i flew all the way across the sim
2014-12-03 01:03 <diva> can I update the model?
2014-12-03 01:03 <nebadon_laptop> and neighbors never load
2014-12-03 01:03 <nebadon_laptop> until i teleport to them
2014-12-03 01:03 <justincc> did you try a region cross?
2014-12-03 01:04 <diva> what do you mean "never load"?
2014-12-03 01:04 <nebadon_laptop> then the terrain would load just for the region i teleported to, i would have to visit all 4 
2014-12-03 01:04 <diva> you said you saw the noermal terrain 
2014-12-03 01:04 <nebadon_laptop> meaning no mater how much i moved around region 1, 2,3,4 were always ocean
2014-12-03 01:04 <justincc> we're still talking mesh terrain?
2014-12-03 01:04 <justincc> 
ACTION is a little confused

2014-12-03 01:04 <diva> yeah neb please qualify which terrain
2014-12-03 01:04 <nebadon_laptop> ok ya sorry
2014-12-03 01:04 <nebadon_laptop> this model, Kista Ang
2014-12-03 01:04 <diva> normal terrain vs mesh terrain
2014-12-03 01:04 <nebadon_laptop> is the first time i ever experienced the LL terrain missing
2014-12-03 01:04 <diva> oh so it was missing?
2014-12-03 01:04 <nebadon_laptop> but not the first time i expereinced the large mesh terrain bug
2014-12-03 01:05 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: so underneath your mesh terrain it's just a flat plain?
2014-12-03 01:05 <nebadon_laptop> i see no correlation
2014-12-03 01:05 <nebadon_laptop> yes 
2014-12-03 01:05 <justincc> or similar?
2014-12-03 01:05 <nebadon_laptop> terrain fill 21
2014-12-03 01:05 <nebadon_laptop> over the entire cluster of simulators
2014-12-03 01:05 <BlueWall> http://gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002/map-3-3000-3000-objects.jpg
2014-12-03 01:05 <BlueWall> Do your map tiles render like that?
2014-12-03 01:05 <nebadon_laptop> Kista Ang our current model, was started up on master git
2014-12-03 01:05 <nebadon_laptop> the LL missing terrain bug was noticed by me
2014-12-03 01:06 <nebadon_laptop> then diva confirmed it
2014-12-03 01:06 <nebadon_laptop> we reverted simulator and the bug stopped
2014-12-03 01:06 <diva> correct I didn't see any LL terrain either, but maybe it was because I wasn't moving
2014-12-03 01:06 <nebadon_laptop> the mesh terrain bug i experience i do no think its related, ive experienced that bug on the last 10 models
2014-12-03 01:06 <nebadon_laptop> but not the missing LL terrain, never expereinced that before
2014-12-03 01:06 <justincc> it's just terrain in these regions, no objects
2014-12-03 01:06 <diva> were you moving/walking?
2014-12-03 01:06 <justincc> ?
2014-12-03 01:06 <nebadon_laptop> no i flew all the way across the sim and it never loaded neighbors
2014-12-03 01:07 <justincc> did you try a regio ncross?
2014-12-03 01:07 <nebadon_laptop> only a teleport from 1 to 2 loaded 2
2014-12-03 01:07 <nebadon_laptop> then 2 to 3 loaded 3, etc..
2014-12-03 01:07 <nebadon_laptop> that is a bug for sure
2014-12-03 01:07 <justincc> did you try a regio ncross?
2014-12-03 01:07 <nebadon_laptop> no i did not
2014-12-03 01:07 <diva> can I switch that model to head?
2014-12-03 01:07 <nebadon_laptop> yes please do diva, thanks
2014-12-03 01:07 <diva> ok
2014-12-03 01:07 <justincc> are there any objects in those sims?
2014-12-03 01:07 <nebadon_laptop> just the mesh terrain
2014-12-03 01:07 <justincc> apart from the mesh terrain
2014-12-03 01:07 <nebadon_laptop> no
2014-12-03 01:07 <diva> just the mesh terrain for now justincc
2014-12-03 01:09 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: if it happens again, pls could you log another av in and see if you can see that moving about in a neighbouring region
2014-12-03 01:10 <justincc> that would give some clue as to whether no packets are sent at all or maybe just a subset
2014-12-03 01:10 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-12-03 01:10 <nebadon_laptop> i will have to teleport from 1:2 so i can see 1
2014-12-03 01:10 <nebadon_laptop> cause if i log directly to 2 i wouldnt see 1
2014-12-03 01:10 <justincc> you do?
2014-12-03 01:10 <justincc> right, but I would want to know if you see an av moving about
2014-12-03 01:10 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-12-03 01:10 <justincc> it doesn't matter that you can't see neighbouring terrain
2014-12-03 01:10 <nebadon_laptop> you mean even though i dont see the terrain
2014-12-03 01:10 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-12-03 01:10 <justincc> yes
2014-12-03 01:10 <nebadon_laptop> gotcha
2014-12-03 01:11 <justincc> I can't quite remmebr how land sending is triggered
2014-12-03 01:11 <nebadon_laptop> i can tell you
2014-12-03 01:11 <nebadon_laptop> the mesh objects dont load either
2014-12-03 01:11 <nebadon_laptop> its not just the terrain
2014-12-03 01:12 <nebadon_laptop> atleast it was initially for me, but ya you know what
2014-12-03 01:12 <nebadon_laptop> this is what confused diva
2014-12-03 01:12 <justincc> oh right, the land management module listens for the new client and then sends the land data in response
2014-12-03 01:12 <nebadon_laptop> that actually was the mesh terrain bug
2014-12-03 01:12 <nebadon_laptop> i stumbled into a messy hive of bugs on this one unfortunately
2014-12-03 01:12 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-12-03 01:12 <justincc> urgh hold on, I'm thinking of parcels not terrain
2014-12-03 01:12 <justincc> Need to replicate it - as I said, I could not on my head
2014-12-03 01:12 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-12-03 01:13 <nebadon_laptop> soon as diva gives me the go i'll hop in
2014-12-03 01:13 <justincc> I can't do much more tonight, I need to rest soon
2014-12-03 01:13 <nebadon_laptop> ok no worries
2014-12-03 01:14 <diva> ok it's up
2014-12-03 01:15 <justincc> another good point of data would be "show queues" for the child agent
2014-12-03 01:15 <justincc> see if there's a bunch of terrain and other packets waiting that are never dequeued and sent
2014-12-03 01:15 <nebadon_laptop> ok so ya LL terrain is missing
2014-12-03 01:15 <nebadon_laptop> Mesh Terrain is visible
2014-12-03 01:15 <nebadon_laptop> let me log in second av
2014-12-03 01:16 <justincc> uh, so mesh is visible now?
2014-12-03 01:16 <diva> is it?
2014-12-03 01:16 <diva> neb I see the LL terrain
2014-12-03 01:16 <nebadon_laptop> i see it in 1
2014-12-03 01:16 <nebadon_laptop> but 2,3,4 is missing for me
2014-12-03 01:16 <diva> you have to move closer
2014-12-03 01:17 <nebadon_laptop> ive never had to before
2014-12-03 01:17 <diva> that's what justincc said
2014-12-03 01:17 <nebadon_laptop> i never move
2014-12-03 01:17 <diva> yeah me neither
2014-12-03 01:17 <diva> apparently this is a recent change
2014-12-03 01:17 <justincc> it's relatively recent
2014-12-03 01:17 <diva> just move closer
2014-12-03 01:17 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-12-03 01:17 <justincc> but sometime before my merge
2014-12-03 01:17 <justincc> quite a lot of time
2014-12-03 01:17 <justincc> there is much more complex code that governs terrain tile sending now but it has been working afik
2014-12-03 01:17 <justincc> afaik
2014-12-03 01:18 <nebadon_laptop> ah ya soon as i got about 1/2 way it started loaded
2014-12-03 01:18 <justincc> yeah,m that's what I see and expect....
2014-12-03 01:18 <justincc> there is an optio nto disable that
2014-12-03 01:18 <nebadon_laptop> ok cool, to me it was shocking because ive never seen it do that before
2014-12-03 01:18 <diva> this must have been what we both saw this morning. We just didn't know about this change
2014-12-03 01:18 <justincc> [Terrain] SendTerrainUpdatesByViewDistance = false
2014-12-03 01:18 <nebadon_laptop> ya i had no idea
2014-12-03 01:18 <diva> that's fine
2014-12-03 01:19 <nebadon_laptop> i say leave it
2014-12-03 01:19 <diva> we just didn't know, so it seemed that the child agent was broken
2014-12-03 01:19 <nebadon_laptop> since we dont need that terrain
2014-12-03 01:19 <diva> yes it's a good setting
2014-12-03 01:19 <justincc> yeah, if you don't need it you might almost be better off adding a config to completely disabled it...
2014-12-03 01:19 <diva> all is well!
2014-12-03 01:19 <nebadon_laptop> cool thanks
2014-12-03 01:19 <justincc> though I remember you said you do use normal terrain as well
2014-12-03 01:19 <justincc> ok
2014-12-03 01:19 <nebadon_laptop> i do
2014-12-03 01:19 <nebadon_laptop> as a building platform
2014-12-03 01:19 <nebadon_laptop> my underworld lair
2014-12-03 01:19 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-12-03 01:20 <nebadon_laptop> i hide my junk under the model mostly
2014-12-03 01:20 <justincc> under the carpet, so to speak?
2014-12-03 01:20 <nebadon_laptop> hehe ya, its much easier to rez on terrain that huge mesh tiles
2014-12-03 01:20 <nebadon_laptop> raycast fails on large mesh
2014-12-03 01:20 <nebadon_laptop> your cube ends up 50m in the sky
2014-12-03 01:20 <nebadon_laptop> or very far from where you try to rez it
2014-12-03 01:20 <nebadon_laptop> probably bounding boxes
2014-12-03 01:22 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: are you sure you didn't have terrain sending by view distance turned off in config before?
2014-12-03 01:22 <justincc> you said this was a new installation
2014-12-03 01:23 <nebadon_laptop> these are divas configs not my own
2014-12-03 01:23 <nebadon_laptop> its very far from stock
2014-12-03 01:23 <nebadon_laptop> more like the diva distro style
2014-12-03 01:23 <justincc> ok
2014-12-03 01:24 <diva> that variable is not in the settings
2014-12-03 01:24 <diva> unless it's in OpenSimDefaults.ini
2014-12-03 01:24 <diva> I mean it's not in *my* settings [yet]
2014-12-03 01:24 <justincc> is is in defaults, but also defaults to true in code
2014-12-03 01:24 <diva> ok that explains everything
2014-12-03 01:40 <justincc> ok rest time, goodnight folks
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2014-12-03 03:04 <diva> nebadon, one of my students is going to do a systematic performance study of the login load as a function of (1) appearance; (2) inventory size; (3) scene complexity. We're looking for oars, iars and avatars of several sizes: low, medium, high. Do you have some around?
2014-12-03 03:05 <diva> I need medium and high for avatars, inventory and scenes
2014-12-03 03:12 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/oars
2014-12-03 03:12 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/iars
2014-12-03 03:12 <diva> oh wow :)
2014-12-03 03:13 <nebadon_laptop> http://zadaroo.com/?page_id=1588
2014-12-03 03:13 <nebadon_laptop> http://zadaroo.com/?page_id=1584
2014-12-03 03:14 <diva> wow this is amazing!
2014-12-03 03:14 <nebadon_laptop> :)
2014-12-03 03:14 <diva> I didn't know there was so much content publicly available!
2014-12-03 03:17 <diva> tremind me again: oars and iars are simply .gz yes?
2014-12-03 03:17 <diva> or tar.gz?
2014-12-03 03:18 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2014-12-03 03:18 <nebadon_laptop> tar.gz
2014-12-03 03:21 <diva> nebadon where is your alien?
2014-12-03 03:23 <nebadon_laptop> i havent shared that publicly
2014-12-03 03:23 <nebadon_laptop> but i can give you a copy
2014-12-03 03:23 <diva> ok
2014-12-03 03:25 <diva> neb tell me again how many items your osgrid inventory had
2014-12-03 03:26 <nebadon_laptop> 47000 i think
2014-12-03 03:26 <diva> any idea how many folders?
2014-12-03 03:26 <nebadon_laptop> ive shed a bunch of that now im at around 28000 on my current invnetory
2014-12-03 03:26 <nebadon_laptop> oh that hard to tell
2014-12-03 03:28 <nebadon_laptop> i can tell you maybe how many my current one has
2014-12-03 03:28 <diva> ok
2014-12-03 03:29 <diva> oh I found your alien
2014-12-03 03:29 <nebadon_laptop> cool ya i remember giving it to you before
2014-12-03 03:30 <nebadon_laptop> ok my 28,000 item inventory
2014-12-03 03:30 <nebadon_laptop> has about 1040 folders
2014-12-03 03:30 <diva> ok
2014-12-03 03:30 <nebadon_laptop> so figure my osgrid was 1800-2000
2014-12-03 03:44 <ox64-p> oh wow!! oars!!
2014-12-03 17:04 <djphil> Hi, anyone know a way to send a "SMS" from inworld LSL/OSSL/PHP script ?
2014-12-03 17:04 <djphil> (Free SMS) :p
2014-12-03 17:30 <AllenKerensky> some carriers offer email to sms gateways
2014-12-03 17:44 <djphil> Yes ... and there was also free services online.
2014-12-03 17:44 <djphil> The problem is to run it from a script inworld ...
2014-12-03 17:45 <djphil> If you have concrete options, i'm interested
2014-12-03 18:03 <AllenKerensky> well if its email to sms - then llEmail() is your go-to
2014-12-03 18:03 <AllenKerensky> otherwise, http to sms would be an llHTTPRequest and http_* events
2014-12-03 18:03 <AllenKerensky> but no, I don't have anything pre-written to share
2014-12-03 18:25 <djphil> llEmail don't work under Windows ...
2014-12-03 18:26 <djphil> i have reportend that on mantis in 2014 ...
2014-12-03 18:26 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6559
2014-12-03 18:26 <djphil> actually i use a external php script form mails.
2014-12-03 18:26 <djphil> hope llMail coming soon for windows :)
2014-12-03 18:27 <djphil> And yes, http request is the good way to send sms
2014-12-03 18:28 <djphil> but it need a free online sms service to work
2014-12-03 18:28 <djphil> i search one !
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2014-12-03 20:09 <osmantis> Bug #7388:04 osNpcSay not working from a script attached to that NPC 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7388 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-12-03 20:10 <osmantis> Bug #7388:04 osNpcSay not working from a script attached to that NPC 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7388 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-03 20:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #3909 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-12-03 20:36 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Always close script linemap file after reading and always dispose of other streams in the script engine even if exceptions are thrown.
2014-12-03 20:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #3910 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-12-03 20:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3910: SUCCESS in 4 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3910/
2014-12-03 20:42 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: improve logged error in XEngine.SetXmlState if there was a problem writing the linemap.
2014-12-03 20:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #3911 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-12-03 20:55 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Reintroduce general xengine extra debugging log level.  This can be controlled at runtime with the command "debug xengine log <level>", as with similar commands.
2014-12-03 21:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #3912 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-12-03 21:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3912: SUCCESS in 4 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3912/
2014-12-03 21:13 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: If we are recompiling scripts in response to a ScriptStopStrategy config change (a rare situation), then explicitly log this for debug purposes.
2014-12-03 21:26 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): requires your FEEDBACK.
2014-12-03 21:32 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between adjoining var regions almost always causes viewer crash. Walking across sometimes crashes too but not as often 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-12-03 21:32 <AliciaRaven> justincc, am i correct in thinking that [XEngine] TrustBinaries = true, only applies to sims on the local grid and not hg? i do have lslbytecode blocked for hg so even if im mistaken it is still safe?
2014-12-03 21:38 <justincc> AliciaRaven: I believe trust binaries is only for region crossings, but tbh I would turn it off
2014-12-03 21:39 <justincc> you would have to be very sure no binary could enter your system via hg
2014-12-03 21:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #3913 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-12-03 21:43 <AliciaRaven> justincc, thanks
2014-12-03 21:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3913: SUCCESS in 4 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3913/
2014-12-03 21:46 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Just have one message that displays successful registration of a region with its parameters rather than 2
2014-12-03 21:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #3914 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-12-03 21:48 <osmantis> Bug #7319:04 XEngine Errors, Can't access an unloaded application domain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7319 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007278.
2014-12-03 21:48 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007319.
2014-12-03 21:50 <osmantis> Bug #7319:04 XEngine Errors, Can't access an unloaded application domain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7319 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-03 21:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3914: SUCCESS in 4 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3914/
2014-12-03 21:51 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Remove long unused region parameters from SceneBase.  Some of these weren't even being set.  Region parameters come from Scene.RegionInfo instead.
2014-12-03 21:53 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-03 22:08 <justincc> ok, food time
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2014-12-04 01:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #3915 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-12-04 01:53 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Don't worry about checking FlotsamAssetCache.m_CurrentlyWriting when updating access time.
2014-12-04 01:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #3916 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-12-04 01:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3916: SUCCESS in 4 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3916/
2014-12-04 01:58 <osjenkins> jjustincc: refactor: breakout flotasm cache last file access time to separate UpdateFileLastAccessTime() method for imminent reuse.
2014-12-04 01:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #3917 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-12-04 02:03 <osjenkins> jjustincc: If "fcache assets" is executed, don't stop with an exception if there's an access violation if another thread is operating on the file at the same time.
2014-12-04 02:09 <osmantis> Bug #7271:04 Reappearance of [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7271 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-04 02:13 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between adjoining var regions almost always causes viewer crash. Walking across sometimes crashes too but not as often 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-04 02:16 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between adjoining var regions almost always causes viewer crash. Walking across sometimes crashes too but not as often 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-12-04 19:46 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Add doc about [InventoryService] AllowDelete setting to robust ini example files.
2014-12-04 21:08 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-04 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-04 22:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #3919 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-12-04 23:04 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Allow scripts in attachments on an owned NPC to call NPC functions on that NPC
2014-12-04 23:05 <osmantis> Bug #7388:04 osNpcSay not working from a script attached to that NPC 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7388 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-04 23:10 <osmantis> Bug #7388:04 osNpcSay not working from a script attached to that NPC 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7388 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-12-04 23:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #3920 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-12-05 00:01 <osjenkins> jjustincc: refactor: Make IteratingUUIDGatherer take a dictionary in its constructor like UUIDGatherer, so we can deal with future cases where the dictionary may already be pre-populated.
2014-12-05 00:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #3921 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-12-05 00:15 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Make "fache assets" console command more efficient by only updating access times on each cached asset once, not for every reference.
2014-12-05 00:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #3922 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-12-05 00:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3922: SUCCESS in 4 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3922/
2014-12-05 00:27 <osjenkins> jjustincc: refactor: rename IteratingUuidGather.AddAssetUuidToInspect() and RecordAssetUuids() to AddForInspection() as this properly describes what both of these methods do.
2014-12-05 00:29 <dahlia> renaming public methods eh? 0.o
2014-12-05 00:31 <diva> justincc can we please do these refactorings in 2 steps? First duplicate the method, marking the old one as obsolete, then, some time later remove the obsolete method?
2014-12-05 00:35 <justincc|2> diva: that's incredibly messy and makes for a huge bunch of extra work
2014-12-05 00:35 <diva> what extra work?
2014-12-05 00:35 <diva> that's the usual way of deprecating APIs
2014-12-05 00:36 <justincc|2> aligning code in multiple methods, etc.
2014-12-05 00:36 <justincc|2> these are not APIs
2014-12-05 00:36 <dahlia> then they probably shouldnt be public
2014-12-05 00:36 <justincc|2> they have to be public to allow calls between projects
2014-12-05 00:36 <dahlia> then they are apis
2014-12-05 00:36 <justincc|2> no 
2014-12-05 00:37 <dahlia> well then they should be hidden so non-core modules cant see them
2014-12-05 00:37 <diva> justincc I don't see any messiness in marking methods as obsolete, with the old method rerouting the request to the new method
2014-12-05 00:38 <justincc|2> dahlia: and how would that be done?
2014-12-05 00:39 <dahlia> justincc|2: usually changing the name of public methods that can be accessed by external modules breaks things in those modules
2014-12-05 00:40 <justincc|2> the mehotds that happen to be public in opensim are not an api
2014-12-05 00:40 <justincc|2> they only become an API when specifically designed to be an API and documented as such
2014-12-05 00:40 <dahlia> they shouldnt change unless absolutely necessary
2014-12-05 00:40 <dahlia> if the name isnt quite perfect, so be it
2014-12-05 00:40 <justincc|2> I disagree
2014-12-05 00:40 <dahlia> so make them private
2014-12-05 00:41 <justincc|2> as I said, that cannot be done
2014-12-05 00:41 <dahlia> are they referenced outside the module?
2014-12-05 00:41 <justincc|2> of course, otherwise they would not be public
2014-12-05 00:41 <dahlia> hmmm must be something wrong with visual studio reference finder
2014-12-05 00:54 <diva> justincc, I and lots of other people code extensions for opensim core. It's really disruptive when the API changes from under us. I don't know who you are trying to convince when you say that opensim doesn't have an API. Of course it does: it consists of the publicly avilable methods in core reachable from region modules. That's as much an API as any API I've used before. In this case, if 
2014-12-05 00:54 <diva> some other project calls those methods, chances are 3rd party modules do too. I know I do a lot of stuff with UUIDs of objects.
2014-12-05 00:54 <diva> if marking methods obsilete was a pita, I would agree with you. But it's not
2014-12-05 00:55 <justincc|2> diva: I disagree, there is no API - an API is only something that has publicly been agreed upon and marked as such.  Refactor methods often changes their data inputs and makes it really difficult to keep obsolete methods active
2014-12-05 00:56 <diva> was this just a simple rename?
2014-12-05 00:56 <justincc|2> in this case yes, to code I added very recently.  But it is part of a more considerable future change.
2014-12-05 00:57 <diva> so the method you renamed is recent?
2014-12-05 00:57 <justincc|2> yes, I added it about a month ago
2014-12-05 00:57 <diva> ok, then I have no problem
2014-12-05 00:57 <diva> I have a problem with doing those things to public methods that made it to releases
2014-12-05 00:57 <justincc|2> I don't go casually changing long standing stuff without reason.  But I also strongly think that there is no API until one has been defined as such.
2014-12-05 00:58 <diva> justincc I'm not even going to fight you on that
2014-12-05 00:59 <dahlia> justincc|2: whatever you choose to call it the fact remains that making changes will break external modules
2014-12-05 01:00 <justincc|2> dahlia: yes, and they have to adapt
2014-12-05 01:00 <justincc|2> that's the way it has been done for the past 7 years
2014-12-05 01:00 <diva> so let's do it for ever, yes?
2014-12-05 01:00 <dahlia> ya and Ive felt the pain of it being done many times
2014-12-05 01:01 <justincc|2> until someone wants to design APIs and convince core to maintain them
2014-12-05 01:01 <justincc|2> linux in-kernel APIs are not stable -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel_interfaces#In.E2.80.93kernel_APIs
2014-12-05 01:02 <dahlia> justincc|2: are those in-kernel apis exposed to user programs?
2014-12-05 01:03 <dahlia> and is a region module not similar in concept to a user program?
2014-12-05 01:03 <justincc|2> no, they operate through the POSIX stuff, etc.
2014-12-05 01:03 <justincc|2> designed APIs
2014-12-05 01:03 <justincc|2> and designated as such
2014-12-05 01:05 <dahlia> so what can a designer of a region module expect then?
2014-12-05 01:05 <justincc|2> that they have to be prepared to adapt unless we design and desginate APIs or the module is in core
2014-12-05 01:06 <dahlia> I see
2014-12-05 01:12 <AliciaRaven> i have many custom region modules, if a name changes it breaks the build and takes a few seconds to find and fix, its better that opensim code be clean and streight forward
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2014-12-05 01:19 <justincc|2> alright, well it's time for me to rest.  Goodnight.
2014-12-05 01:26 <dahlia> AliciaRaven: I have lots of custom region modules. When things change I need to update them. It's pretty easy for me but not for others who use the modules but don't have source. If they can't reach me but need to upgrade, they are usually stuck or do without. Some have even decompiled my modules. I suspect that practice is more common than just my modules.
2014-12-05 01:27 <dahlia> and "clean" is subjective
2014-12-05 01:28 <dahlia> personally I had no trouble understanding the uuid gatherer code before the name changes
2014-12-05 01:30 <AliciaRaven> i was meaning in general, not specificaly that change
2014-12-05 01:31 <dahlia> well in general I agree. However there should be some effort to mitigate downstream issues when possible.
2014-12-05 01:33 <AliciaRaven> true, but i dont think keeping dead code in opensim just to prevent a 3rd party module breaking should be done, as i know it has been in the past (not going to give the specific example)
2014-12-05 01:33 <dahlia> maintain deprecated methods is a fairly common industry practice
2014-12-05 01:34 <dahlia> it extends courtesy to downstream users
2014-12-05 01:35 <AliciaRaven> yes, but only as a migration to allow the 3rd party stuff time to be updated without a sudden break
2014-12-05 01:35 <dahlia> yes, and not doing so *creates* sudden breaks.
2014-12-05 01:36 <ox64-p> i dont ever use any modules other than ones in the opensim build  because i dont know of any others nor how to write my own...but in any case if i had modules and had to update them, it's no worse than having to update config files and everything else.
2014-12-05 01:36 <dahlia> ox64-p: your case is for you, not others
2014-12-05 01:37 <ox64-p> it's opensource anyways
2014-12-05 01:38 <ox64-p> but yeah i guess
2014-12-05 01:39 <dahlia> allowing closed-source external modules is part of the motive behind the MIT-like license for OpenSimulator
2014-12-05 01:39 <ox64-p> yeah all that stuff is over my head
2014-12-05 01:40 <dahlia> it's part of the philosophy of the project
2014-12-05 01:40 <ox64-p> but i guess what my random babling thought in my head was it being opensource if something breaks, if it's really a problem i can just go in and try to figure out why it broke and fix it...but yeah i guess if a module is closed source, that's kinda  abummer, i jus twouldn't be able to use it
2014-12-05 01:42 <AliciaRaven> dahlia, i agree when changes could break them there should be depreciation of methods as u say, i just dont think code should be left in opensim just to prevent that module breaking, there was no marking as depreciated or change to the module to be inline with the new code, it was just left in opensim to stop the module breaking
2014-12-05 01:43 <dahlia> AliciaRaven: marking as depricated would be a good thing
2014-12-05 01:44 <AliciaRaven> yes, that wasnt done, it was just left there specificaly for that external module
2014-12-05 01:45 <dahlia> Im not aware of the specific example you're referring to
2014-12-05 01:46 <AliciaRaven> yes well lets leave it there as i dont want to bring up specific examples as that would be getting personal
2014-12-05 01:48 <AllenKerensky> Well, from experience with the DSG modules, you just go back into git history and find the old name for the thing and see what code was changed to
2014-12-05 01:49 <AllenKerensky> then update the module to the new name
2014-12-05 01:49 <dahlia> assuming you have source for the module, yes
2014-12-05 01:49 <AllenKerensky> yeah closed source... well, whoever owns the close source has to do that
2014-12-05 01:50 <AliciaRaven> yes, they should just release a new version for the next release, not keep dead code in opensim just so they dont have to change their module
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2014-12-05 06:59 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-05 15:14 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-05 16:52 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between adjoining var regions almost always causes viewer crash. Walking across sometimes crashes too but not as often 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-05 16:55 <osmantis> Bug #7229:04 Teleport from Var to normal sim, both with latest dev master and Viewer locks up about 10-15 secs after TP completes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7229 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-12-05 16:56 <osmantis> Bug #7211:04 WARN  - OpenSim.Region.DataSnapshot.DataSnapshotManager [DATASNAPSHOT]: Caught unknown exception while trying to load snapshot: 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7211 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-12-05 16:58 <osmantis> Bug #7101:04 4 Vivox messages in log file every second if Voice in Land Settings is turned off. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7101 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-12-05 16:59 <osmantis> Bug #7297:04 When walking or flying, AV often gets stuck walking or flying and cannot stop without relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7297 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-12-06 15:08 <osmantis> Bug #7390:04 Script compile error for "if (vector)" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7390 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-12-06 15:20 <osmantis> Bug #6667:04 when accepting a friend request over hypergrid, this friend can edit my objects. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6667 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-06 17:13 <Plugh> I'm about to import a mesh object but I don't remember what to do about physics. I said from file, but from which file?
2014-12-06 17:13 <Plugh> 
ACTION hasn't done a mesh import in a while.

2014-12-06 17:14 <NickyP> Plugh: I usually just pick the dae. It seems to work. 
2014-12-06 17:14 <Plugh> ok
2014-12-06 17:16 <AliciaRaven> better to use a low lod version for physics or a simplified version of the mesh as a separate dae
2014-12-06 17:17 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: I'm importing a mesh tree
2014-12-06 17:17 <NickyP> diva: In your search metaverseink are to links to objects supposed to work. If so, in what way?
2014-12-06 17:18 <AliciaRaven> Plugh, for a tree the best thing is to make a mesh cylindar that only covers the trunk, keep it as simple as possible
2014-12-06 17:19 <AliciaRaven> if u use the same mesh for the tree, physics will be calculated for every surface including leaves and when duplicated a few times in a region that would be a high load
2014-12-06 17:21 <AliciaRaven> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Physics_Optimization
2014-12-06 17:23 <diva> NickyP: if you follow the link, it's supposed to land you near the object
2014-12-06 17:23 <diva> or point to it with the red arrow
2014-12-06 17:23 <AliciaRaven> Plugh, if you dont want to make a physics mesh yourself, the best thing is to choose the lowest lod that will still repell the avatar on contact with the trunk
2014-12-06 17:29 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: ok, I'll check that out. In my case I think this tree will wind up as phantom as people need to look for things hidden amongst its branches and leaves.
2014-12-06 17:51 <NickyP> AliciaRaven: thanks for the link, Good information.
2014-12-06 17:52 <AliciaRaven> np :)
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2014-12-06 20:35 <smxy> okay, now this is weird. I just got an IM from someone. I tried to reply but it said they weren't online, which is often typical if they are outside my grid. I then looked in my radar and saw an entry for someone, but they are listed not by name but by uuid. I double click on them and my camera has zoomed to them, as expected ..... but into another grid. I'm looking at them in some region 
2014-12-06 20:35 <smxy> on some other grid. That's never happened before.
2014-12-06 20:37 <smxy> It's a grid I visited earlier today. 
2014-12-06 20:38 <smxy> I can't reply to them, but they just asked if I crashed, so I'm wodering if there is some ghost of me left on their grid, that they are interacting with, but that doesn't explain why they show up on my radar in my grid, as a uuid and why I can cam to them in THEIR grid., Very strange.
2014-12-06 20:54 <smxy> I guess my viewer was connected to both grids. I just got an alert that the region was going down and my viewer was disconnected. But that was his region in his grid, that went down, not my region in my grid. But it took me out, while I was seemingly fully functional in my own grid.
2014-12-06 22:40 <misterblue> NickyP: using simple physical shapes is best for physics. People create fancy mesh cars but then has scripts to make the meshes phantom and just have transparent physical spheres and boxes
2014-12-06 22:40 <misterblue> that's using LSL (which works for fancy linksets) but doing the same in the mesh definition is best
2014-12-06 22:42 <misterblue> physics engines can easily compute where the surface of a sphere or box is but figuring out intersections between surfaces defined by a few vertices is involved and imprecise 
2014-12-06 23:12 <NickyP> misterblue: thanks. I admit for testing mesh upload I use simple cubes and cylinders, very simple so. I just use the dae for physics
2014-12-06 23:13 <misterblue> BulletSim tries to create convex hulls for meshes when the go physical but it is CPU intensive. Cubes and spheres are easier for physics :)
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2014-12-07 01:07 <osmantis> Bug #7113:04 llGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7113 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-07 01:25 <osmantis> Bug #7113:04 llGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7113 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-07 22:44 <Plugh> hmm... 0.8PF still has a problem with either negative values in the sit target or there is still a problem with unsitting where it seems as if you unsit from where you were instead of where you wound up and that causes you to shoot up in to the air a ways.
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2014-12-07 22:58 <dahlia> Plugh: I'd guess when you unsit your capsule is colliding with something
2014-12-07 22:58 <dahlia> maybe intersecting something
2014-12-07 23:02 <Plugh> I'm just doing movement between floors in a building. 
2014-12-07 23:07 <Plugh> ah, the down arrow is rotated 180 degrees so I had to change the sign on the Y offset 
2014-12-07 23:07 <Plugh> Its working better now.
2014-12-08 17:43 <osmantis> Bug #7106:04 Avatar feets follow terrain instead of the object its walking on. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7106 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-12-09 02:02 <MartinRJ> in a prim that receives messages sent with llRegionSayTo only *one* script can receive the message. If more than one script listens on that channel, the message is ignored. Is that a known issue?
2014-12-09 02:03 <MarcusLlewellyn> llRegionSayTo speaks to a specific target. Perhaps you want llRegionSay?
2014-12-09 02:04 <MartinRJ> no I talk about llRegionSayTo. If the target has two scripts listening, only one of the scripts receives the message.
2014-12-09 02:04 <MarcusLlewellyn> Ah, that makes sense.
2014-12-09 02:58 <osmantis> Bug #7391:04 Messages sent with llRegionSayTo are only received by one listening script per prim (object?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7391 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-12-09 03:33 <osmantis> Bug #7391:04 Messages sent with llRegionSayTo are only received by one listening script per prim (object?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7391 ): has been UPDATED.
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2014-12-09 11:45 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-09 11:45 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-09 17:06 <osmantis> Bug #7392:04 Suggestion to serve robots.txt from grid/standalonw base URL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7392 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-12-09 17:06 <osmantis> Bug #7392:04 Suggestion to serve robots.txt from grid/standalone base URL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7392 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-12-09 19:00 <nebadon_laptop> Meeting time :)
2014-12-09 19:13 <Plugh> Does OpenSimulator have the limitation that llSetTexture() won't work if a texture isn't owned by the script user and the texture doesn't have full permissions?
2014-12-09 19:45 <justincc> no, any valid uuid should work
2014-12-09 20:44 <Plugh> justin, ok. It was always a minor pain when making texture viewers over in SL and you find some textures couldn't be shown.
2014-12-10 00:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #3923 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-12-10 00:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3923: SUCCESS in 9 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3923/
2014-12-10 00:09 <osjenkins> jjustincc: In XEngine, enqueue a script rez to the compile queue after setting m_CompileDict to avoid a rare but not impossible race condition.
2014-12-10 00:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #3924 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-12-10 00:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3924: SUCCESS in 4 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3924/
2014-12-10 00:14 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Avoid a possible race condition where the XEngine script compile thread could complete but see OnRezScript() insert a new job and complete before it set m_CurrentCompile = null
2014-12-10 00:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #3925 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-12-10 00:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3925: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3925/
2014-12-10 00:34 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix a regression where objects crossing regions in the same simulator (on their own or as attachments) with AppDomainLoading = false would create the new state in the source region area rather than the dest.
2014-12-10 00:43 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): requires your FEEDBACK.
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2014-12-10 03:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #3926 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-12-10 03:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3926: SUCCESS in 4 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3926/
2014-12-10 03:52 <osjenkins> misterblue: Remove reference to MSSQL in prebuild.xml since feature has been removed
2014-12-10 08:51 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-12-10 23:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #3927 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-12-10 23:53 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Restore OpenMetaverse.dll to the one compiled under Windows again from commit 2660619.  Somehow it got replaced again in the ghosts merge with the one built under Linux.
2014-12-11 00:43 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-12-11 12:41 <ssm2017> hello, do you know if the command line "config set" should directly set the value or do we need to "reload" the config in a way ? 
2014-12-11 12:41 <ssm2017> i would like to change the allowed threat level for a script without having to restart the region
2014-12-11 12:46 <ssm2017> set and get are responding well but when trying to run the script, it is still telling me that threat level is High instead of VeryHigh or Severe
2014-12-11 12:58 <Bwild> ssm2017, not dynamically reloaded per the source comment
2014-12-11 12:58 <Bwild> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=DcDiXa9f
2014-12-11 13:02 <ssm2017> ok, thank you Bwild for attention
2014-12-11 13:03 <ssm2017> this info is also stated in "help config set", i have not used it
2014-12-11 13:04 <Bwild> looks like dynamic configs should be possible, if someone impliments it, say for example alternative logging
2014-12-11 13:05 <Bwild> e.g via a filesystem watcher
2014-12-11 13:09 <Bwild> i thnk in years past that idea floated like a lead baloon; to have config's that use auto-magic
2014-12-11 13:10 <Bwild> however, configs have alot more things that could be done, such as teh recent constant statements to pare down verbosity
2014-12-11 14:24 <osmantis> Bug #7129:04 osNpcSit on prim does not immediately sit the avatar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7129 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-11 14:43 <osmantis> Bug #7392:04 Suggestion to serve robots.txt from grid/standalone base URL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7392 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-11 16:06 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-12-12 00:08 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-12 00:16 <zadarkAlt1> Latest Firestorm 4.6.9 (42969) Dec  3 2014 worked well tonight,  attended a couple of gatherings via hypergrid.
2014-12-12 00:16 <AllenKerensky> that's good news zadarkAlt1
2014-12-12 00:18 <BlueWall> I hope a 64 bit Linux build is available soon. I can only run it on an old notebook atm.
2014-12-12 00:19 <zadarkAlt1> I believe the Firestorm team do listen here, thought it good idea to give them some feedback.
2014-12-12 00:19 <BlueWall> The webkit upgrade is nice (make a MOAP object and point the media at https://github.com/ )
2014-12-12 00:20 <BlueWall> It renders modern css/js really good too.
2014-12-12 00:20 <zadarkAlt1> I forgot to test that.
2014-12-12 00:20 <zadarkAlt1> On my way to a MOAP
2014-12-12 00:20 <BlueWall> MOAP is useful now :)
2014-12-12 00:21 <BlueWall> I mean it has been, but now it can get to https pages
2014-12-12 00:21 <zadarkAlt1> That will be a big score for educators that use html5 stuff
2014-12-12 00:22 <BlueWall> Ohh, everybody can use it
2014-12-12 00:22 <dahlia> moap with html5?
2014-12-12 00:22 <BlueWall> yes
2014-12-12 00:23 <dahlia> I know what Im going to use that for :)
2014-12-12 00:23 <BlueWall> haha 3rd life? (VW viewer in a VW viewer?)
2014-12-12 00:24 <dahlia> maybe <.<  >.>
2014-12-12 00:24 <ox64-p> lol
2014-12-12 00:25 <zadarkAlt1> http://html5test.com/ is showing a score of 179, I think it was 150 before.
2014-12-12 00:26 <ox64-p> i have to do it:
2014-12-12 00:26 <ox64-p> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrAHBk4ZAeQ
2014-12-12 00:26 <ox64-p> even though it's old
2014-12-12 00:26 <ox64-p> haha
2014-12-12 00:27 <BlueWall> huh? 
2014-12-12 00:28 <ox64-p> (in reference to the 3rd life)...old video
2014-12-12 00:28 <ox64-p> lol
2014-12-12 00:28 <BlueWall> I can't use Firestorm here yet. I'm on a Singularity Alpha with updated webkit and it scores 359
2014-12-12 00:29 <BlueWall> Sooooo, I'm wondering what the difference is there?
2014-12-12 00:29 <zadarkAlt1> me too
2014-12-12 00:31 <BlueWall> This one says that WebGL 2 3D is not supported. :/
2014-12-12 00:31 <BlueWall> It does say that WebGL 3D graphics are supported.
2014-12-12 00:33 <dahlia> singu says that?
2014-12-12 00:33 <BlueWall> yes
2014-12-12 00:33 <dahlia> the alpha?
2014-12-12 00:33 <BlueWall> Singularity Viewer (64 bit) 1.8.6 (6277) Dec  4 2014 05:40:07 (Singularity Alpha)
2014-12-12 00:33 <BlueWall> Not all of them have it.
2014-12-12 00:34 <BlueWall> They are in the process of updating them all - I was just lucky that they did this one early on.
2014-12-12 01:05 <BlueWall> I got 359 on the latest Firestory Linux 32 as well.
2014-12-12 01:06 <BlueWall> heh, Firestorm*
2014-12-12 01:07 <dahlia> :( *snif* http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/noWorkie.jpg
2014-12-12 01:09 <ox64-p> 
ACTION clicks "OK"

2014-12-12 01:09 <ox64-p> :(
2014-12-12 01:09 <BlueWall> hmmm
2014-12-12 01:09 <BlueWall> that is weird. What's up with that?
2014-12-12 01:10 <dahlia> dunno
2014-12-12 01:10 <BlueWall> how about https://github.com ?
2014-12-12 01:10 <dahlia> what about it
2014-12-12 01:10 <BlueWall> can you load that?
2014-12-12 01:11 <BlueWall> I couldn't load https in MOP until these updates
2014-12-12 01:12 <dahlia> dunno. Seems the media dialog is borked at the moment
2014-12-12 01:15 <BlueWall> Hey Jessica_Lyon, The webkit updates. Is Windows and Linux the same? I'm getting far better scores on Linux @ http://html5test.com/
2014-12-12 01:15 <Jessica_Lyon> afaik they're the same
2014-12-12 01:16 <Jessica_Lyon> Btw, there is a voice issue with our release from last night. We'll be issuing a hotfix update probably tomorrow. It's an issue that only exists in opensim
2014-12-12 01:16 <BlueWall> I am only able to run the new Firestorm on an old notebook atm. But it and the Singulartiy alpha I'm running are scoring 359
2014-12-12 01:17 <dahlia> ya github works
2014-12-12 01:17 <BlueWall> cool - I have to wait on the 64 bit build. I am not able to get the 32 bit to run on this machine at all.
2014-12-12 01:18 <BlueWall> I have to test with self signed certs soon too :)
2014-12-12 01:20 <dahlia> http://armsglobe.chromeexperiments.com/ fails also
2014-12-12 01:20 <Jessica_Lyon> Ya, sorry about the lack of linux x64 :-|
2014-12-12 01:20 <BlueWall> Meeeeee too, lol
2014-12-12 01:20 <Jessica_Lyon> I've got one of omy other devs working on it now. 
2014-12-12 01:20 <dahlia> Jessica_Lyon: should webgl work?
2014-12-12 01:20 <Jessica_Lyon> Its an issue with getting the lib going
2014-12-12 01:21 <BlueWall> It is a puzzle about the Windows webkit though.
2014-12-12 01:21 <Jessica_Lyon> Did it work for 4.6.7 dahlia?
2014-12-12 01:21 <BlueWall> Yeh, bleeding edge stuff bites sometimes.
2014-12-12 01:22 <dahlia> Jessica_Lyon: no idea. I just installed 4,6,9.42969
2014-12-12 01:24 <dahlia> Firestorm 4.6.9 (42969) Dec  3 2014 01:21:14 (Firestorm-Release) with OpenSimulator support
2014-12-12 01:24 <Jessica_Lyon> I don't know that we even have that Dahlia, in the viewer? I mean.. I don't think we have any actual intended support for it
2014-12-12 01:24 <dahlia> oh ok I thought I heard something about a webkit upgrade
2014-12-12 01:25 <Jessica_Lyon> OOH, well ya, LL is apparently working on upgrading webkit
2014-12-12 01:25 <BlueWall> I'm not sure which I had before today, but it wouldn't render recent html5/css/js
2014-12-12 01:25 <BlueWall> neither would Singularity.
2014-12-12 01:25 <Jessica_Lyon> I don't know much of the details of that though and I don't think they do either. 
2014-12-12 01:26 <dahlia> ah ok
2014-12-12 01:26 <BlueWall> But the Singularity alpha I'm running and the new firestorm 32 bit bot do. And they score 359 on the html5 test
2014-12-12 01:26 <BlueWall> and I can get https in MOAP now too
2014-12-12 01:26 <dahlia> I only got 174
2014-12-12 01:27 <BlueWall> you're on Windows, right?
2014-12-12 01:27 <dahlia> ya
2014-12-12 01:27 <BlueWall> I'm on Linux
2014-12-12 01:27 <dahlia> ah ok
2014-12-12 01:27 <BlueWall> soo, what is the difference?
2014-12-12 01:27 <dahlia> 32 bit?
2014-12-12 01:27 <BlueWall> both
2014-12-12 01:28 <BlueWall> singularity aslpha on 64 and Firestorm latest on 32
2014-12-12 01:28 <dahlia> I have a 32 bit linux box
2014-12-12 01:29 <BlueWall> see how that new Firestorm does on it
2014-12-12 01:29 <BlueWall> The Singularity alpha Linux/32 doesn't have the upgrade yet.
2014-12-12 01:30 <dahlia> can you try http://armsglobe.chromeexperiments.com/
2014-12-12 01:31 <BlueWall> ok, 1 sec
2014-12-12 01:32 <BlueWall> it works
2014-12-12 01:32 <dahlia> in fs on linux?
2014-12-12 01:32 <BlueWall> Singularity 64 Linux
2014-12-12 01:32 <dahlia> oh
2014-12-12 01:32 <BlueWall> I'll try Firestorm 32 in a sec.
2014-12-12 01:32 <BlueWall> hang on
2014-12-12 01:33 <Jessica_Lyon> Gotta afk, sorry guys!
2014-12-12 01:33 <dahlia> laterz :)
2014-12-12 01:46 <BlueWall> it starts loading, but goes to a white screen on the notebook
2014-12-12 01:46 <BlueWall> that pc is underpowered. So that might be the issues.
2014-12-12 01:58 <derokizz> somebody here?
2014-12-12 01:58 <derokizz> hi :)
2014-12-12 02:00 <dahlia> nobody here but us fictitious internet entities
2014-12-12 02:04 <BlueWall> we be pixels on a screen
2014-12-12 02:05 <Wanderer_42> Smith, Agent Smith. You are in the Matrix here
2014-12-12 02:06 <derokizz> some activity hehe nice...i just asked in #opensim if could be pssible to script using c#
2014-12-12 02:16 <zadarkAlt1> Yes is the simple answer, though samples are rare. The only ref I have to hand is http://justincc.org/blog/2008/11/21/c-scripting-in-opensim/ as you see that goes back to 2008. If people do use c# scripting it is not afaik discussed here.
2014-12-12 02:16 <Wanderer_42> derokizz: You mean inworld-scripting ?  As far as I know, in Opensim there is only LSL and OSSL available. SecondLIfe 2 seems to plan C#
2014-12-12 02:17 <derokizz> inworld yup
2014-12-12 02:26 <dahlia> hmmm looks like moap webgl works in firestorm 32 bit linux 
2014-12-12 02:26 <dahlia> but not windows
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2014-12-12 02:34 <BlueWall> dahlia, I guess we casn file a report with the Firestorm team., it would be cool to have it work on Windows too.
2014-12-12 02:35 <dahlia> http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/viewerinviewer.jpg
2014-12-12 02:37 <AllenKerensky> yo dawg, I heard you like virtual worlds...
2014-12-12 02:38 <BlueWall> ++
2014-12-12 02:38 <ox64-p> <3
2014-12-12 02:39 <LiruCookies> QT rebuild, that's a lot to ask X3
2014-12-12 02:39 <LiruCookies> Especially for two targets
2014-12-12 02:39 <LiruCookies> That's like a day of rebuilding.
2014-12-12 02:40 <dahlia> LiruCookies: to enable webgl?
2014-12-12 02:40 <LiruCookies> Mhm
2014-12-12 02:40 <LiruCookies> It's QTWebkit, you know.
2014-12-12 02:40 <dahlia> oic
2014-12-12 02:41 <dahlia> so thats prolly why fs windoze doesnt have it?
2014-12-12 02:41 <LiruCookies> I don't know, they should rebuild consistently!
2014-12-12 02:41 <LiruCookies> They shouldn't have different flags!
2014-12-12 02:41 <dahlia> !!
2014-12-12 02:41 <LiruCookies> It's truly strange that they'd have differences.
2014-12-12 02:42 <dahlia> is there a windoze singu I can download that has it?
2014-12-12 02:42 <LiruCookies> BlueWall: Tell me, is it turned on for the Linux64?
2014-12-12 02:42 <LiruCookies> dahlia: I'm not sure, we're still working on updating all that stuff..
2014-12-12 02:42 <BlueWall> LiruCookies, what am I looking for?
2014-12-12 02:42 <LiruCookies> Large update incoming by way of Shyotl~
2014-12-12 02:42 <LiruCookies> dahlia: How to do?
2014-12-12 02:43 <dahlia> how to do what?
2014-12-12 02:43 <LiruCookies> This viewer in viewer webgl thing
2014-12-12 02:43 <dahlia> I wrote a webgl viewer
2014-12-12 02:43 <LiruCookies> Linky?
2014-12-12 02:43 <dahlia> http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/webglView/
2014-12-12 02:44 <LiruCookies> BlueWall: Try going there in the viewer browser?
2014-12-12 02:44 <dahlia> I'd rather that link doesnt spread around
2014-12-12 02:45 <LiruCookies> Okay.
2014-12-12 02:46 <derokizz> wow it looks awesome
2014-12-12 02:46 <ox64-p> that's pretty amazing
2014-12-12 02:46 <dahlia> :)
2014-12-12 02:46 <AllenKerensky> 
ACTION will wait until its in git and available to use

2014-12-12 02:47 <ox64-p> is that like avatarless ?
2014-12-12 02:47 <ox64-p> since there was no login
2014-12-12 02:47 <dahlia> I have avatars but they are disabled in that one
2014-12-12 02:47 <smxy> That looks really nice.
2014-12-12 02:47 <ox64-p> cool
2014-12-12 02:48 <derokizz> im guessing how long tooks to dev something like that
2014-12-12 02:48 <dahlia> a long time
2014-12-12 02:48 <dahlia> like years :)
2014-12-12 02:48 <BlueWall> LiruCookies, yes
2014-12-12 02:48 <LiruCookies> Awesome
2014-12-12 02:48 <derokizz> this is  boom :D
2014-12-12 02:49 <BlueWall> o/
2014-12-12 02:59 <dahlia> \o
2014-12-12 02:59 <BlueWall> \o/
2014-12-12 03:00 <dahlia> now how to get controls to work in moap
2014-12-12 03:02 <LiruCookies> We pass in keys, if you need that
2014-12-12 03:03 <dahlia> to the moap browser?
2014-12-12 03:03 <dahlia> like arrow keys?
2014-12-12 03:03 <LiruCookies> If moap is the focus, it eats all the keys
2014-12-12 03:03 <LiruCookies> Yep
2014-12-12 03:03 <dahlia> hmmm
2014-12-12 03:03 <dahlia> didnt seem to get any
2014-12-12 03:03 <dahlia> maybe Im missing a setting
2014-12-12 03:07 <dahlia> firestorm still have 4096 bug?
2014-12-12 03:15 <LiruCookies> Shouldn't
2014-12-12 07:46 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-12 07:52 <djphil__> Fantastic Mirror in SL :) (private build of Black Dragon, code by Zi Ree)
2014-12-12 07:52 <djphil__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBmAR3zzovY
2014-12-12 07:56 <djphil__> https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/STORM-2055
2014-12-15 20:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #3928 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-12-15 20:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3928: SUCCESS in 9 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3928/
2014-12-15 20:53 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Remove XEngine.m_uniqueScripts
2014-12-15 20:54 <nebadon_laptop> cmickeyb sorry pong again had to restart IRC
2014-12-15 20:54 <cmickeyb> hey
2014-12-15 20:54 <cmickeyb> was just going to let you know that i have all the cars incorporated
2014-12-15 20:54 <cmickeyb> for a while this morning i had > 1100 running around
2014-12-15 20:54 <cmickeyb> and i think i have simian hypergrid working again
2014-12-15 20:55 <osmantis> Bug #7363:04 Items in assetcache do not propagate to the asset server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7363 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-15 20:55 <cmickeyb> so if you let me know when you're available... i'll start the car simulation & you can hg in
2014-12-15 20:58 <nebadon_laptop> oh nice, so those mesh are working well then?
2014-12-15 20:58 <nebadon_laptop> i figured they would, they couldnt possibly be any lower poly :)
2014-12-15 20:59 <nebadon_laptop> where should i teleport to cmickeyb?
2014-12-15 21:07 <osmantis> Bug #7363:04 Items in assetcache do not propagate to the asset server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7363 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-12-16 01:17 <NickyP> I noticed conversations a few days ago about viewer webkit and the ability to have https://github.com show in media on a prim. This ability has been in the SL version of Kokua for a couple months. It is now in Kokua-Open
2014-12-16 01:18 <NickyP> Sim and can be downloaded from the weekly build https://sourceforge.net/projects/kokua.team-purple.p/files/Weekly/OpenSim/
2014-12-16 01:21 <NickyP> Also, I am trying to move toward perpetual builds. No more test or beta or alpha builds just weekly release builds and then periodically I'll announce a release via blog.  This is the first week of perpetual builds. 
2014-12-16 01:27 <dahlia> 
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2014-12-16 01:33 <BlueWall> NickyP, Linux vuewers are getting pretty high scores @ http://html5test.com/ and Windows viewers not so much.
2014-12-16 01:37 <BlueWall>  Download Kokua_64_3_7_22_35091_x86_64.tar.bz2 (57.3 MB)  is Linux 64 bits?
2014-12-16 01:39 <NickyP> yes
2014-12-16 01:40 <BlueWall> Cool - downloading now 
2014-12-16 01:40 <NickyP> that  is sl version
2014-12-16 01:41 <NickyP> it is picky about certain os grids
2014-12-16 01:41 <BlueWall> ohhh
2014-12-16 01:42 <NickyP> http://sourceforge.net/projects/kokua.team-purple.p/files/Weekly/OpenSim/Kokua_OpenSim_Weekly_64_Release_3_7_81_35903_x86_64.tar.bz2/download
2014-12-16 01:42 <BlueWall> Thanks
2014-12-16 01:52 <BlueWall> NickyP, nice work.
2014-12-16 01:53 <NickyP> ty
2014-12-16 01:53 <BlueWall> it's nice to have good web support now. MOAP can be really useful now.
2014-12-16 02:45 <smxy> I wish Kokua had a Mac version.
2014-12-16 02:51 <NickyP> it does
2014-12-16 02:53 <NickyP> smxy: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kokua.team-purple.p/files/Weekly/OpenSim/Kokua_OpenSim_Release_3_7_81_35905_i386.dmg/download
2014-12-16 02:54 <NickyP> I haven't tested the new webkit lib on a mac
2014-12-16 02:55 <Ken_S> Kokua, doesnt seem to like Opensim var regions in map.
2014-12-16 02:55 <Ken_S> Each time I try to access the map, it never shows and says not responding
2014-12-16 02:55 <NickyP> which platform?
2014-12-16 02:56 <Ken_S> Windows 64 using the link above
2014-12-16 03:01 <smxy> NickyP: When did yuou make a Mac version? You never used to, so I never kept track of your viewer, since I couldn't use it.
2014-12-16 03:01 <NickyP> 10 months or so ago
2014-12-16 03:02 <smxy> I'll have to check it out. Thanks.
2014-12-16 03:05 <NickyP> smxy: http://wp.me/p1VgFM-Ga  Jan 11,2014
2014-12-16 03:08 <smxy> It says media_plugin_webkit failed, before I even logged in.
2014-12-16 03:11 <NickyP> did you have a web start page?
2014-12-16 03:12 <smxy> My grid uses Wifi, so yes.
2014-12-16 03:12 <smxy> I got the same error after I logged in, too.
2014-12-16 03:12 <NickyP> I have seen a occasional webkit fail 
2014-12-16 03:13 <NickyP> but the media seemed to work
2014-12-16 03:14 <NickyP> Like I said I haven't a mac at home.
2014-12-16 03:14 <smxy> Seems fine otherwise, at first glance.
2014-12-16 03:14 <smxy> So how do you test anything then?
2014-12-16 03:18 <smxy> I'll try using this for a few days to see what I think. Not bad, at first glance.
2014-12-16 03:24 <NickyP> kk
2014-12-16 03:36 <NickyP> Ken_S: I know there are var region map issues with kokua and other viewers. I am not seeing "not responding" on my 1024 x 1024 local var region. Been waiting on one of the other viewers to solve and adopt what they do. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7833186/kokuamapresponse1024x1024var.JPG 
2014-12-16 04:24 <Ken_S> NickyP, other viewers seem to display the map OK but some have var TP issues.
2014-12-16 04:25 <osmantis> Bug #7393:04 Visitors with high packet latency cause region to experience excessive lag and other performance issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7393 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-12-16 04:25 <Ken_S> In this case, there were 3 vars that were 4x4 sims each arranged in a north to south row when trying to view the map crashed Kokua
2014-12-16 04:30 <osmantis> Bug #7393:04 Visitors with high packet latency cause region to experience excessive lag and other performance issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7393 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-16 05:37 <osmantis> Bug #7393:04 Visitors with high packet latency cause region to experience excessive lag and other performance issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7393 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-16 05:41 <osmantis> Bug #7393:04 Visitors with high packet latency cause region to experience excessive lag and other performance issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7393 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007308.
2014-12-16 05:41 <osmantis> Bug #7308:04 Network Lag caused by specific users connection 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7308 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007393.
2014-12-16 08:55 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-16 15:34 <NickyP> Is this a config I need to set or current policy in code: 2014-12-16 00:00:28,532 ERROR - OpenSim.Framework.RegionInfo [REGION INFO] Regions must be square until viewers are updated. Forcing region BigRegion size to <768,768>
2014-12-16 15:34 <NickyP> 2014-12-16 00:00:28,533 INFO  - OpenSim.Framework.RegionInfo [REGION INFO] Region BigRegion size set to <768,768>
2014-12-16 15:34 <NickyP> tried to set a 1024 x 768
2014-12-16 15:36 <NickyP> presently @ r/25443
2014-12-16 15:57 <nebadon_laptop> NickyP are you trying to make a rectangle var region?
2014-12-16 15:57 <nebadon_laptop> as of today we only support square simulators
2014-12-16 15:57 <nebadon_laptop> well let me rephrase that, the viewer only supports square regions
2014-12-16 16:16 <NickyP> ty trying to troubleshoot a map issue
2014-12-16 16:22 <nebadon_laptop> well to answer your question better, that is a current policy, not something that can be configured
2014-12-16 16:22 <nebadon_laptop> its possible it always returns that message, but that would be wierd
2014-12-16 16:23 <BlueWall> can 256m2 regions be placed beside var regions atm?
2014-12-16 16:23 <nebadon_laptop> it can however its not recommended
2014-12-16 16:24 <nebadon_laptop> there may be issues, I have tested it with just 1
2014-12-16 16:24 <nebadon_laptop> i can not say for sure what would happen if you completelyd surrounded a var with 256m2
2014-12-16 16:24 <nebadon_laptop> im guessing there might be issues, and potential performance issues as well
2014-12-16 16:24 <nebadon_laptop> depending on the size of your var
2014-12-16 16:24 <BlueWall> I might try a 2x2 surrounded by normal regions 
2014-12-16 16:24 <nebadon_laptop> its a lot of connections
2014-12-16 16:25 <BlueWall> yes, it would be
2014-12-16 16:25 <nebadon_laptop> might be ok in certain situations though
2014-12-16 16:25 <nebadon_laptop> but something like OSCC
2014-12-16 16:25 <nebadon_laptop> would probably suffer from a configuration such as that
2014-12-16 16:26 <BlueWall> if we had a smart way of creating child agents - like not creating them unless the next region is inside their draw distance or something.
2014-12-16 16:29 <NickyP> KenS reported a viewer crash with 3 4x4 in a row. So,  should that not be done? That would be I think 512x512 times 3..
2014-12-16 16:30 <nebadon_laptop> NickyP i have much much larger areas than that
2014-12-16 16:31 <nebadon_laptop> i have a model I am working on right now that is 15 768x768 in a 3x5 pattern
2014-12-16 16:31 <NickyP> next to one another?
2014-12-16 16:31 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2014-12-16 16:32 <nebadon_laptop> several people are workin on it, ive gotten no reports of crashing
2014-12-16 16:35 <nebadon_laptop> I will test with Latest Kokua one sec
2014-12-16 16:35 <nebadon_laptop> i need to update
2014-12-16 16:38 <nebadon_laptop> hmm NickyP not good, soon as I bring up the map viewer froze
2014-12-16 16:38 <NickyP> kk
2014-12-16 16:38 <nebadon_laptop> and im not even in the big model
2014-12-16 16:38 <NickyP> working on it
2014-12-16 16:38 <nebadon_laptop> im in a 2x2 config 768x768
2014-12-16 16:38 <nebadon_laptop> oh ya it just crashed hard
2014-12-16 16:39 <nebadon_laptop> let me know if you need more testing
2014-12-16 16:39 <nebadon_laptop> i can help out
2014-12-16 16:39 <nebadon_laptop> Windows version please
2014-12-16 16:39 <nebadon_laptop> i can test linux but id have to reboot
2014-12-16 16:39 <nebadon_laptop> not so easy at the moment
2014-12-16 16:39 <NickyP> ok I think I may have fixed once and merged the fix out
2014-12-16 16:41 <NickyP> kk
2014-12-16 17:01 <NickyP> nebadon_laptop: when I set var's side by side do I need to account for the added size I have one at 1700,1700 768x768, would 1701 overlap? should it be 1703,1700?
2014-12-16 17:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #3929 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-12-16 17:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3929: SUCCESS in 6 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3929/
2014-12-16 17:28 <osjenkins> bluewall: Adding command to reset user's email address
2014-12-16 17:33 <NickyP> nebadon_laptop: I have 2 768x768 side by side and am not seeing a crash on map selection. If you get the change can you remove the cache folder in AppData\Local\kokua and restart?
2014-12-16 17:33 <nebadon_laptop> sure give me 10 minutes
2014-12-16 17:34 <NickyP> I  am on 0.8.1 dev atm.
2014-12-16 17:40 <NickyP> will check back in a little have some real life to attend to
2014-12-16 17:41 <nebadon_laptop> ok give a shout whenever
2014-12-16 17:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #3930 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-12-16 17:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3930: SUCCESS in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3930/
2014-12-16 17:52 <osjenkins> bluewall: Add command to reset region's user cache
2014-12-16 18:14 <osmantis> Bug #7394:04 Unsit rotation direction 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7394 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-12-16 18:59 <nebadon_> Meeting reminder 
2014-12-16 18:59 <nebadon_> if anyone wants to attend HG to http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 Staff Zone 1
2014-12-16 19:00 <AliciaRaven> ty nebadon_
2014-12-16 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #7308:04 Network Lag caused by specific users connection 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7308 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-16 20:46 <NickyP> nebadon_: did you try to log with an erased AppData\Local\kokua ?
2014-12-16 20:47 <NickyP> FS and Kokua look the same on my machine
2014-12-16 20:47 <NickyP> maps that is
2014-12-16 20:48 <osmantis> Bug #7393:04 Visitors with high packet latency cause region to experience excessive lag and other performance issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7393 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-16 20:50 <justincc> Hi cmickeyb
2014-12-16 20:55 <cmickeyb> justincc, 
2014-12-16 20:55 <cmickeyb> have to head off to a meeting
2014-12-16 20:56 <justincc> cmickeyb: ok
2014-12-16 20:56 <cmickeyb> if you aren't going to be around in an hour, send me an email
2014-12-16 20:57 <justincc> I won't be around just then.  Ok, I'll send you an e-mail
2014-12-16 23:16 <AliciaRaven> just read the firestorm press release about SL go, it says it works with opensim, isnt that a mistake?
2014-12-16 23:17 <justinccAfk> AliciaRaven: why would it be a mistake?
2014-12-16 23:17 <AliciaRaven> sl will connect to other grids and stream from them?
2014-12-16 23:18 <justincc> firestorm will, right?
2014-12-16 23:18 <AliciaRaven> yea, but the viewer is running on sl servers and streaming back to the user, so it would be from sl servers
2014-12-16 23:19 <justincc> I believe the viewer is running on onlive servers with no necessary connection to sl
2014-12-16 23:19 <AliciaRaven> thats good then, still wouldnt pay for it tho
2014-12-16 23:20 <AliciaRaven> thanks for the info
2014-12-16 23:20 <justincc> yeah, I've no idea how successful it is
2014-12-16 23:20 <justincc> I hope FIrestorm gets a bit of that money
2014-12-16 23:20 <justincc> though that's hard to manage if it's trivial amounts
2014-12-16 23:21 <AliciaRaven> yea
2014-12-16 23:22 <AliciaRaven> to me id rather buy a good pc, its like cloud storage, i wont trust that lol
2014-12-16 23:33 <nebadon_> where did you see that AliciaRaven?
2014-12-16 23:34 <AliciaRaven> nebadon_ its on http://www.firestormviewer.org/
2014-12-16 23:35 <nebadon_> wonder how that works
2014-12-16 23:35 <nebadon_> the slgo website makes no mention of opensim
2014-12-16 23:35 <nebadon_> and its not like stock SL viewer has grid manager
2014-12-16 23:35 <nebadon_> oh i see they offer firestorm there
2014-12-16 23:35 <justincc> they are hosting fs as well now
2014-12-16 23:35 <nebadon_> interesting
2014-12-16 23:36 <nebadon_> ya but the SL version of FS doesnt have grid manager either
2014-12-16 23:36 <justincc> they are using the os version
2014-12-16 23:36 <nebadon_> cool
2014-12-16 23:37 <nebadon_> I still don't like the idea of cloud stuff though
2014-12-16 23:38 <AliciaRaven> i dont either, cloud storage is bad i think, i like to know where my data is
2014-12-16 23:38 <nebadon_> I still don't understand why SL wants to cater to people with crap computers either
2014-12-16 23:39 <justincc> errr, customers
2014-12-16 23:39 <nebadon_> generally people with old / crappy computers arent slinging money around in world either
2014-12-16 23:39 <AliciaRaven> but then i have 24TB of storage so im never short of space
2014-12-16 23:39 <nebadon_> seems like a really terrible business model
2014-12-16 23:39 <justincc> easier to use on a tablet
2014-12-16 23:39 <nebadon_> i find nothing easy to use on a tablet
2014-12-16 23:39 <nebadon_> i find that hard to beleive
2014-12-16 23:39 <justincc> afaik, it's really onlive doing it more than sl.  but i'm surprised it's worth their while as well
2014-12-16 23:39 <nebadon_> yea
2014-12-16 23:45 <AliciaRaven> justincc is there a fast way to get the total prims used in a scene, i was using SceneGraph.GetTotalObjectsCount but just found that includes avatar attachments
2014-12-16 23:46 <AliciaRaven> now i changed it to use foreach (ILandObject p in parcels) and add up each parcels PrimCounts.Total
2014-12-16 23:50 <dahlia> the only thing I find easier to do on a tablet is reading during bio break
2014-12-16 23:52 <nebadon_> lol right
2014-12-16 23:52 <nebadon_> android frustrates me, and iOS is about 100 times worse
2014-12-16 23:52 <nebadon_> nothing is easy on mobile
2014-12-16 23:53 <nebadon_> maybe convient at times, but not easier than desktop
2014-12-16 23:53 <dahlia> andriod is lame, Id get ios but they are almost as lame
2014-12-16 23:53 <dahlia> at least android is $cheap lame
2014-12-16 23:55 <AllenKerensky> And lookout labs "Ad Network Detector" for Android can tell which apps are phoning home to which ad networks
2014-12-16 23:56 <dahlia> they all do
2014-12-16 23:57 <AllenKerensky> most googly ones do if you upgrade them past what the phone comes with from factory
2014-12-16 23:57 <AllenKerensky> at least my phone is that way
2014-12-16 23:57 <dahlia> the OS phones everything to google anyway
2014-12-17 00:00 <AllenKerensky> yes if you sign in with google account and use their core apps blah blah - there are alternate distributions with various levels of home phoning and google sign in required
2014-12-17 00:00 <AllenKerensky> pick your comfort level
2014-12-17 00:00 <dahlia> cant really use play store without signing in
2014-12-17 00:00 <AllenKerensky> if you use Google Play store that's one of the key tie points
2014-12-17 00:01 <AllenKerensky> jinx
2014-12-17 00:01 <nebadon_> most of googles apps suck if you ask me
2014-12-17 00:01 <AllenKerensky> there are other repos and software sources as well as APK sideloading... its Linux-like + Java-like - lots of places for enterprising monkeys to poke around in
2014-12-17 00:01 <nebadon_> i dunno who is designing and testing their crap, but most of its just terrible
2014-12-17 00:01 <nebadon_> crashy, bad interfaces
2014-12-17 00:02 <AllenKerensky> yeah I mostly want to find the apps that don't have Admob and their ilk included
2014-12-17 00:02 <dahlia> AllenKerensky: ya but most of the good apps are on play store anyway
2014-12-17 00:02 <AllenKerensky> since the more ad networks an app has, the more of a data and battery suck it is
2014-12-17 00:02 <AllenKerensky> again, pick your poison =)
2014-12-17 00:02 <dahlia> I prefer PCs :)
2014-12-17 00:02 <AllenKerensky> some of the ad networks are constantly pinging home
2014-12-17 00:02 <AllenKerensky> and yes, I use desktop for things when I am at a desk
2014-12-17 00:03 <AllenKerensky> desktop is less useful bolted to the dash of the Wrangler for GPS
2014-12-17 00:03 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: How do you have 24TB of disk storage?
2014-12-17 00:03 <AllenKerensky> ... with do you want to run an asset server?
2014-12-17 00:03 <AliciaRaven> Plugh, external NAS drive with 8 X 3TB drives
2014-12-17 00:04 <dahlia> I assume my tablet is a device designed to keep me occupied with mindless drivel while spying on me to the nth degree, and I treat it as such
2014-12-17 00:04 <nebadon_> I have about 18tb
2014-12-17 00:04 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: ah, ok. Nice!
2014-12-17 00:04 <nebadon_> but mine are all loose drives
2014-12-17 00:04 <nebadon_> in cases
2014-12-17 00:04 <AllenKerensky> agreed dahlia - I had to switch from webOS to Android on my tablet - wifi only - was illuminating to put traffic sniffer on it
2014-12-17 00:04 <dahlia> lol ya
2014-12-17 00:05 <AllenKerensky> one evil bit of business for rooted devices is to load a bunch of common google domains into hosts file as aliases for localhost
2014-12-17 00:05 <AllenKerensky> phone THAT
2014-12-17 00:05 <nebadon_> i have this
2014-12-17 00:05 <nebadon_> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0VN-0003-00036&cm_re=orinco_usb_3.0_sata-_-0VN-0003-00036-_-Product
2014-12-17 00:05 <Plugh> nebadon_: Similar situation at my end. I have spare drives in cases used to backup the same size drives in my machines.
2014-12-17 00:05 <nebadon_> and these > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1DS0FR0312&cm_re=orinco_cases-_-9SIA1DS0FR0312-_-Product
2014-12-17 00:06 <dahlia> I have a couple raid nas boxes
2014-12-17 00:07 <dahlia> I use the RAID that has complete file system on each drive
2014-12-17 00:07 <dahlia> cant remember what number it is
2014-12-17 00:07 <AliciaRaven> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/281516709114?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=108&chn=ps&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0-L&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108
2014-12-17 00:07 <AliciaRaven> thats the one i have, abit over kill but i do have alot of movies
2014-12-17 00:08 <nebadon_> i bet that sounds awesome AliciaRaven
2014-12-17 00:08 <nebadon_> lol
2014-12-17 00:08 <nebadon_> like my rack servers in the basement
2014-12-17 00:08 <AliciaRaven> its abit loud yea, dont have it turned on all the time tho
2014-12-17 00:08 <nebadon_> sounds like a vacuum cleaner
2014-12-17 00:09 <AliciaRaven> not as loud as i was expecting tho
2014-12-17 00:09 <dahlia> my stuff is all very quiet and low power :D
2014-12-17 00:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #3931 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2014-12-17 00:31 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix recent regression where a race condition meant SP.MakeRootAgent() would sometimes look to start attachment scripts before ETM.HandleIncomingSceneObject() had added them.
2014-12-17 00:37 <nebadon_> AllenKerensky thanks for the heads up on that ad networks app
2014-12-17 00:37 <nebadon_> just got done uninstalling about 35 apps
2014-12-17 00:37 <nebadon_> lol
2014-12-17 00:38 <nebadon_> i was already opted out of googles target ad system
2014-12-17 00:44 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-17 00:47 <osmantis> Bug #7395:04 HG User with bad connection overloaded and froze networking 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7395 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-12-17 00:50 <AliciaRaven> nebadon_ - cmickeyb asked me to assign that last mantis i posted to him, i dont have permission to do that tho do i?
2014-12-17 00:50 <nebadon_> 1 sec
2014-12-17 00:50 <nebadon_> i will fix that
2014-12-17 00:50 <AliciaRaven> ok thanks :)
2014-12-17 00:51 <nebadon_> try again
2014-12-17 00:52 <osmantis> Bug #7395:04 HG User with bad connection overloaded and froze networking 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7395 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2014-12-17 00:52 <AliciaRaven> k done, thanks
2014-12-17 00:53 <AliciaRaven> seems like there are a few different cases where connection issues drag the whole sim down
2014-12-17 00:55 <dahlia> seems excessive or stalled http will drag it down
2014-12-17 00:56 <dahlia> its like all the available treadpool tasks get assigned to http and the main thread is delayed
2014-12-17 00:57 <AliciaRaven> i was very supprised the sim was trying to contact the HG users inventory server an hour after they had been disconnected
2014-12-17 00:57 <dahlia> heh
2014-12-17 00:57 <dahlia> I'd call that a bug :)
2014-12-17 00:57 <nebadon_> ya
2014-12-17 00:57 <nebadon_> for sure
2014-12-17 00:57 <dahlia> but ya that would probably be one of those tasks that lag the sim out
2014-12-17 00:58 <AliciaRaven> when some one disconnects would there be much overhead invloved in removing any network requests for them in the que?
2014-12-17 00:59 <dahlia> dunno
2014-12-17 00:59 <dahlia> I stay away from that part of the code
2014-12-17 01:00 <AliciaRaven> i like to nose round but id be to worried to try and change anything
2014-12-17 01:01 <dahlia> I'm fundamentally opposed to the "Fire and Forget" pattern in server applications
2014-12-17 01:01 <AliciaRaven> yea, i use it abit but only for things i know wont happen oftern
2014-12-17 01:02 <dahlia> Im in the "no more threads than cores" camp
2014-12-17 01:11 <OtakuMegane> Using the literal of that on something complex isn't always the best result though. On the other end, spawning over 9000 threads 'just because' is pretty bad too. Happy medium needed.
2014-12-17 01:19 <OtakuMegane> I really need to learn some more programming languages so I can do stuff. :)
2014-12-17 02:38 <dahlia> OtakuMegane: when you have more threads than cores, things get delayed. There's no way around that. About all you can do is try to make sure the stuff that gets delayed is not time-critical. 
2014-12-17 02:39 <dahlia> unfortunately OpenSim is the spoiled broth of too many cooks and has no threading strategy other than "use as many thread tasks as possible"
2014-12-17 02:40 <OtakuMegane> True. But if you need threads doing multiple things and it gets delayed or hung up on one task, you're kinda in the same boat.
2014-12-17 02:41 <dahlia> well.... all the high volume high-scalability servers Ive heard of use 1 thread per core
2014-12-17 02:41 <AllenKerensky> it gets more complex with current CPU architectures with various "threads" in the cores now too
2014-12-17 02:42 <AllenKerensky> some cores have 2 instruction units but 1 pipeline or other combos
2014-12-17 02:42 <AllenKerensky> so it can also get really hardware and workload specific
2014-12-17 02:42 <dahlia> well hyperthreads arent really considered true cores in anything but intel marketing literature
2014-12-17 02:42 <OtakuMegane> A lot of things would be fine with that most likely. SOmething like Opensim is doing an awful lot all at the same time. So if you've got one thread per core and only say 2 or 3 cores, it's piling a lot of things into a couple points of potential failure.
2014-12-17 02:42 <AllenKerensky> was thinking more of SPARC niagara threading
2014-12-17 02:42 <dahlia> dont know sparc
2014-12-17 02:42 <AllenKerensky> and at this point - you're driving a race car and hiring a pit crew to build and tune it
2014-12-17 02:43 <OtakuMegane> Vroomvroom
2014-12-17 02:43 <AllenKerensky> early hyperthread was basically delay slot execution - call it thread and a half
2014-12-17 02:43 <AllenKerensky> some of the newer xeon hyperthread is some really intricate batch process pipeline management that is 2+ thread per core
2014-12-17 02:43 <AllenKerensky> not just delay slots anymore
2014-12-17 02:44 <OtakuMegane> The early hyperthreading tended to do more harm than good. THen they actually got it right.
2014-12-17 02:44 <AllenKerensky> and you are in some custom compile optimization and specific tuning territory to really take advantage of it
2014-12-17 02:44 <AllenKerensky> and you really need to benchmark your OS and VM and app and go bottleneck hunting
2014-12-17 02:45 <AllenKerensky> very time consuming to get usable percents of improvement
2014-12-17 02:45 <AllenKerensky> I haven't looked in opensim to see if the threads have some sort of internal priority level
2014-12-17 02:45 <AllenKerensky> but if you do that, then you're effectively implementing your own OS inside the app heh
2014-12-17 02:45 <OtakuMegane> Have to untangle them first probably lol
2014-12-17 02:46 <AllenKerensky> because you have to watch that a low priority thread doesn't starve to uselessness
2014-12-17 02:46 <AllenKerensky> now, in Soviet Russia threads run you
2014-12-17 02:47 <dahlia> there are several threadpools all sharing several VM threads, then theres the VM threadpool....
2014-12-17 02:47 <AllenKerensky> and the VM threadpool is basically at the mercy of the OS thread manager
2014-12-17 02:47 <dahlia> who knows how that ends up being divvied up to the available cores
2014-12-17 02:48 <dahlia> but in theory one threadpool could be used for lower priority tasks and the main thread could run on its own core
2014-12-17 02:48 <AllenKerensky> you could swing a lot of that with CPU fencing and running specific workloads on specific cores to maximize cache reuse and minimize thread migration
2014-12-17 02:48 <AllenKerensky> allocate the OS kernel and I/O interrupts to their own cores too
2014-12-17 02:48 <AllenKerensky> and maybe get some boosts that way - depending
2014-12-17 02:49 <dahlia> I think all the thread sharing management happens in user space
2014-12-17 02:49 <AllenKerensky> yeah the threadlib stuff?
2014-12-17 02:49 <dahlia> either in the runtime, the vm, or the application threadpools
2014-12-17 02:50 <AllenKerensky> ultimately it ends up going through a kernel gate to the runqueue to be put on a CPU tho
2014-12-17 02:50 <dahlia> probably not
2014-12-17 02:50 <AllenKerensky> and all of that has to contend with kernel servicing and interrupt servicing somewhere
2014-12-17 02:50 <AllenKerensky> yeah - I dunno what that looks like in windows or linux really - compared to solaris on sparc or itanium
2014-12-17 02:51 <AllenKerensky> solaris thread handler was yanked from Cray and tuned by Fujitsu (who owned Amdahl)
2014-12-17 02:51 <dahlia> no idea about sparc but I think itanium is pretty dead
2014-12-17 02:51 <AllenKerensky> yeah but Itanium was an easy port for Solaris
2014-12-17 02:51 <dahlia> is oracle keeping sparc alive?
2014-12-17 02:51 <AllenKerensky> yeah
2014-12-17 02:51 <AllenKerensky> they are still growing it
2014-12-17 02:52 <AllenKerensky> UltraSPARC T5 series I think are the latest
2014-12-17 02:52 <AllenKerensky> I haven't kept up that much since I left teaching for Sun way back when
2014-12-17 02:52 <dahlia> intel prolly took the itanium tech they wanted and folded it into their current offerings
2014-12-17 02:53 <AllenKerensky> but yeah at some point the OS kernel in windows or *nix takes the userspace thread and actually puts it on a CPU - but can still preempt it from ring 0
2014-12-17 02:53 <AllenKerensky> unless someone has gone and done something extremely funky and non-X86ish in thread management
2014-12-17 02:54 <dahlia> I believe most of the thread management happens in user space, unless the user app asks for more threads than cores
2014-12-17 02:54 <dahlia> then the os has to intervene
2014-12-17 02:54 <dahlia> and you get all the kernel trap overhead
2014-12-17 02:55 <OtakuMegane> "Moar threads plox. XD" "No! Bad app! No threads for you!"
2014-12-17 02:58 <AllenKerensky> http://www.tldp.org/FAQ/Threads-FAQ/Types.html
2014-12-17 02:58 <AllenKerensky> user-space threads run in the context of the owning process - which is under kernel thread scheduling control
2014-12-17 02:58 <AllenKerensky> so maybe visualize the relationship as a fan-out
2014-12-17 02:58 <AllenKerensky> I know Solaris lightweight processes work a specific way
2014-12-17 02:59 <AllenKerensky> the threadlib creates gazillions if you want and manages the table
2014-12-17 02:59 <AllenKerensky> but the kernel can reach into that table and pull the LWPs it wants and put them right on CPU
2014-12-17 02:59 <AllenKerensky> which is probably different than how Linux/FreeBSD do it
2014-12-17 03:00 <AllenKerensky> and that's a tldp link so probably only limited use - who knows what kernel 3.x is doing that wasnt back in the likely 2.2 or 2.4 days that page looks to be written in
2014-12-17 03:01 <dahlia> ya the VM threadpool and the application threadpools would put OpenSim into the "combination" category on that page you linked
2014-12-17 03:01 <OtakuMegane> That's some good ol 90s-style webpage. :)
2014-12-17 03:01 <dahlia> best kind :)
2014-12-17 03:01 <AllenKerensky> the icons at the bottom are like a breath of stale air
2014-12-17 03:01 <OtakuMegane> HTML tags are all capitalized and pretty simple so yeah
2014-12-17 03:02 <dahlia> what? no social media icons? pfft
2014-12-17 03:02 <AllenKerensky> ... email author right there at the bottom
2014-12-17 03:02 <OtakuMegane> Guest books were fun
2014-12-17 03:03 <dahlia> page counters
2014-12-17 03:03 <OtakuMegane> Hahaha
2014-12-17 03:03 <OtakuMegane> Yes
2014-12-17 03:04 <OtakuMegane> Webrings
2014-12-17 03:06 <OtakuMegane> Wow I haven't looked at my old site in ages. Nostalgic but kind of embarassing now.
2014-12-17 11:49 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-17 17:11 <skittles> can anyone tell me what sim stat identifier 16 is? i've noticed this in logs for a long time now:
2014-12-17 17:11 <skittles> Unknown sim stat identifier: 16
2014-12-17 17:18 <BlueWall> skittles, can you paste the log entry?
2014-12-17 17:20 <skittles> newview/llviewermessage.cpp(6098) : 2014-12-17T17:05:47Z WARNING: process_sim_stats: Unknown sim stat identifier: 16
2014-12-17 17:20 <skittles> every 3 seconds or so for the duration of the session.
2014-12-17 17:20 <BlueWall> ok, viewer log
2014-12-17 17:20 <BlueWall> 1 sec
2014-12-17 17:25 <nebadon_> BlueWall
2014-12-17 17:25 <nebadon_> http://sourceforge.net/p/team-purple/kokua-source/ci/7e33b3deb96d4e1c2d8e12672fcc68f687894ebc/
2014-12-17 17:25 <nebadon_> looks like it might just have wrong log level
2014-12-17 17:25 <nebadon_> in the viewer
2014-12-17 17:25 <nebadon_> skittles what viewer are you using? Firestorm?
2014-12-17 17:26 <BlueWall> cool, thanks neb
2014-12-17 17:26 <skittles> yeah, this is in firestorm.
2014-12-17 17:26 <nebadon_> ok Jesicca isnt here at the moment
2014-12-17 17:26 <nebadon_> Tank-Master might know
2014-12-17 17:26 <nebadon_> if they are around
2014-12-17 17:26 <skittles> jessica would probably just ask me. lol
2014-12-17 17:27 <BlueWall> skittles should know, lol
2014-12-17 17:27 <nebadon_> oh I didnt know you were a viewer dev
2014-12-17 17:27 <nebadon_> sorry :)
2014-12-17 17:27 <nebadon_> well it looks like Kokua changed the log level to debug
2014-12-17 17:27 <skittles> i'm just wondering what sim stat 16 is, whether it should be supported or ignored like kokua did.
2014-12-17 17:27 <nebadon_> that doesnt explain why its happening though
2014-12-17 17:27 <nebadon_> yea that i don't know either
2014-12-17 17:28 <BlueWall> I am looking in OpenSim code and we have stats galore :s
2014-12-17 17:28 <nebadon_> i assume its only opensim it occurs?
2014-12-17 17:28 <skittles> yes, only in opensim.
2014-12-17 17:28 <BlueWall> I will look for it and let you know what I find.
2014-12-17 17:28 <nebadon_> i wonder if watching in SL with gridproxy could explain it better?
2014-12-17 17:29 <zadark> In the SimStatPacket, 16 refers to agentFrameTime
2014-12-17 17:29 <nebadon_> or is that something we only send?
2014-12-17 17:29 <skittles> ah
2014-12-17 17:29 <nebadon_> hmm maybe order of serialization is wrong?
2014-12-17 17:29 <BlueWall> zadark, that is what I was looking at - we have an array 0-20 with various items.
2014-12-17 17:30 <nebadon_> did SL changed their stats recently?
2014-12-17 17:31 <zadark> BlueWall: Just setting up a monitor to see whats what
2014-12-17 17:31 <BlueWall> That is in the Monitorin module, and I think that it doesn't get sent to the viewer.
2014-12-17 17:32 <nebadon_> I wonder if Justin would know
2014-12-17 17:32 <nebadon_> he is always tinkering with the stats
2014-12-17 17:32 <BlueWall> skittles, do you know what is happening in the viewer at that point? What general area to look at?
2014-12-17 17:32 <nebadon_> for OSCC we were doing a lot of logging of stats
2014-12-17 17:33 <nebadon_> he is not on skype yet either
2014-12-17 17:33 <BlueWall> Might be able to match it up with llClientView
2014-12-17 17:33 <skittles> it's in the process_sim_stats() method, i'm looking at the enum now in the viewer to see if the order is the same as opensim.
2014-12-17 17:33 <skittles> there are 40 items in the simstats enum in the viewer.
2014-12-17 17:33 <BlueWall> HandleViewerStats?
2014-12-17 17:34 <zadark> Opensim sends SimStats  StatID 0 thru 20
2014-12-17 17:34 <zadark> Via UDP
2014-12-17 17:34 <skittles> process_sim_stats(LLMessageSystem *mesgsys, void **user_data)
2014-12-17 17:34 <skittles> the enum is in llviewerstats.h
2014-12-17 17:35 <skittles> first 4 are in order, after that they deviate.
2014-12-17 17:36 <zadark> skittles: I see the same, first 4 in order then deviate
2014-12-17 17:36 <zadark> 13,14,11,12
2014-12-17 17:37 <skittles> so if 4 in the simulator is 16 in the viewer, that would be why it's warning about 16 being unknown.
2014-12-17 17:37 <skittles> because in the viewer, 4 is frametime.
2014-12-17 17:37 <nebadon_> ya thats kind of what i figured might be wrong
2014-12-17 17:37 <skittles> that's where they diverge.
2014-12-17 17:37 <nebadon_> is it just skewed?
2014-12-17 17:38 <nebadon_> or is ot completely out of oder?
2014-12-17 17:38 <nebadon_> order*
2014-12-17 17:38 <nebadon_> is like 6 really 5 etc..?
2014-12-17 17:38 <skittles> well, at some point ll must have overhauled stats.
2014-12-17 17:38 <skittles> there are 40 here.
2014-12-17 17:38 <nebadon_> ya
2014-12-17 17:38 <nebadon_> thats my guess
2014-12-17 17:38 <zadark> sorry there do appear to be a range of around 40 stats, not all are sent
2014-12-17 17:38 <nebadon_> ya some we probably just can not deliver correctly
2014-12-17 17:39 <zadark> 16 is, set to 3.333333 here
2014-12-17 17:40 <skittles> this is probably why firestorm's region script change alert is so schizophrenic too.
2014-12-17 17:41 <BlueWall> Also, much of this work was done without looking at the viewer source.
2014-12-17 17:41 <nebadon_> sounds like a fun refactor :P
2014-12-17 17:45 <nebadon_> his ears must have been ringing :) hey justincc
2014-12-17 17:45 <BlueWall> justincc did it
2014-12-17 17:45 <BlueWall> if he didn't, then he's about to :)
2014-12-17 17:45 <justincc> uhhhh
2014-12-17 17:45 <BlueWall> haha
2014-12-17 17:46 <BlueWall> skittles, is looking for some information about sim stats
2014-12-17 17:46 <nebadon_> it appears LL may have refactored stats
2014-12-17 17:46 <BlueWall> WARNING: process_sim_stats: Unknown sim stat identifier: 16
2014-12-17 17:46 <BlueWall> that is shoing up in the viewer log about every 3 seconds.
2014-12-17 17:47 <justincc> 16 is script lines per second...
2014-12-17 17:47 <BlueWall> scriptLinesPerSecond    = stats.StatsBlock[20].StatValue;
2014-12-17 17:48 <justincc> ScriptLinesPerSecond = 16,
2014-12-17 17:48 <BlueWall> Ok, I'm looking at the SimExtraStats - where is that?
2014-12-17 17:48 <justincc> furhter up.  You're not using an IDE that can jump to references?
2014-12-17 17:49 <BlueWall> in libomv?
2014-12-17 17:49 <justincc> the easiest thing is for the viewer not to put out that warning and just discard the data
2014-12-17 17:49 <justincc> no, in the file
2014-12-17 17:49 <skittles> oh, ha, that one matches a little more closely. :)
2014-12-17 17:49 <skittles> ok
2014-12-17 17:50 <nebadon_> I guess that is pretty much what kokua is doing
2014-12-17 17:51 <BlueWall> Ok, found it, thanks - the enum
2014-12-17 17:51 <nebadon_> I figured you would know this better than anyone justincc, thanks
2014-12-17 17:51 <BlueWall> ++
2014-12-17 17:52 <justincc> that stats stuff is old code - I'm guessing ll must have just stopped generating it
2014-12-17 17:52 <justincc> that particular stat - I'm should think all the others are still valid pretty much
2014-12-17 17:53 <nebadon_> doesnt seem like any others are complaining
2014-12-17 17:53 <skittles> nah, it's just 16.
2014-12-17 17:53 <nebadon_> this appears to be the kokua solution > http://sourceforge.net/p/team-purple/kokua-source/ci/7e33b3deb96d4e1c2d8e12672fcc68f687894ebc/
2014-12-17 17:54 <skittles> trying to get proximal voice working for this voice module i'm working on, so i'm staring at the log a lot. just a bit grating to see the same warning every three seconds. lol
2014-12-17 17:55 <skittles> back to work for me. :)
2014-12-17 17:55 <BlueWall> is that going pretty well?
2014-12-17 17:55 <nebadon_> nice, something other than vivox?
2014-12-17 17:55 <BlueWall> that's the mumur integration?
2014-12-17 17:56 <skittles> yes, other than having to rewrite entirely how proximal voice is handled by mumble, it's going well.
2014-12-17 17:56 <BlueWall> \o/
2014-12-17 17:56 <skittles> mumble wants a plugin.
2014-12-17 17:56 <justincc> skittles: ugh
2014-12-17 17:56 <skittles> and the viewer uses xmlrpc to send messages to the voice client.
2014-12-17 17:56 <skittles> so there's a conflict.
2014-12-17 17:57 <BlueWall> I saw that you were working on that a few weeks ago. cool stuff.
2014-12-17 17:57 <BlueWall> Good luck with it.
2014-12-17 17:57 <skittles> but at least opensim has a left handed coordinate system, so it could be worse. :)
2014-12-17 18:24 <zadark> BlueWall: SL does not send StatID 16
2014-12-17 21:38 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-17 21:57 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-12-18 13:31 <djphil> Hi all :) What is osLineTo(drawList, 100,150);  function ? Obselet or not implemented yet ? (eg : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsSetPenCap)
2014-12-18 13:31 <djphil> similar to osDrawLine ?
2014-12-18 16:47 <osmantis> Bug #7395:04 HG User with bad connection overloaded and froze networking 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7395 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-18 16:50 <Plugh> The hard-drive in my laptop failed so I've got a new one installed and am setting up my build environments again. I thought I have everything I need to build OpenSimulator but I get some strange (to me) message when trying to use xbuild to compile 0.8PF. See http://pastebin.ca/2888779 for the messages.
2014-12-18 16:53 <osmantis> Bug #7395:04 HG User with bad connection overloaded and froze networking 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7395 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-18 17:17 <osmantis> Bug #7395:04 HG User with bad connection overloaded and froze networking 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7395 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-18 17:20 <osmantis> Bug #7395:04 HG User with bad connection overloaded and froze networking 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7395 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-18 17:23 <mheilman> I am trying to use WinGridProxy, but it is throwing 404 on get_grid_info instead of proxying it.  Anybody here successfully use this tool?
2014-12-18 17:27 <diva> yes
2014-12-18 17:27 <diva> ignore it. Just add the gridproxy grid to the grid manager of the viewer
2014-12-18 17:28 <mheilman> I am attempting to.  It is failing saying that the grid did not respond to get_grid_info.  WinGridProxy prints "[ERROR] 404 not found: /get_grid_info"
2014-12-18 17:28 <mheilman> I am using firestorm
2014-12-18 17:30 <diva> yes. don't use firestorm,  use singularity. I too was unable to make firestorm work with grid proxy
2014-12-18 17:30 <osmantis> Bug #7395:04 HG User with bad connection overloaded and froze networking 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7395 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-18 17:30 <mheilman> ok, will do
2014-12-18 17:33 <osmantis> Bug #7395:04 HG User with bad connection overloaded and froze networking 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7395 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-18 17:38 <mheilman> That is better, but now WinGridProxy is crashing
2014-12-18 17:40 <AllenKerensky> It's must be thursday. Never could get the hang of thursdays. ~ Arthur Dent, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
2014-12-18 17:44 <Plugh> :)
2014-12-18 17:47 <Plugh> I could try blaming my inability to compile OS on it being Thursday. 
2014-12-18 17:48 <AllenKerensky> are you using xbuild?
2014-12-18 17:48 <AllenKerensky> I built master from source this week and it worked fine - only 104 warnings
2014-12-18 17:49 <Plugh> it is really incredible how many packages make up mono. Install of mono pulled in a lot of packages. Installing monodevelop pulls in a load more. xbuild pulls in about another (almost?) dozen or so. nant wants another 111 packages. :{
2014-12-18 17:49 <Plugh> yes, xbuild.
2014-12-18 17:50 <AllenKerensky> yeah the linux distros are breaking things down - then making glob packages to pull it all in. I assume there's logical reasons somewhere, but have no links to them
2014-12-18 17:50 <Plugh> See http://pastebin.ca/2888779 for the messages.
2014-12-18 17:51 <AllenKerensky> after running runprebuild.sh?
2014-12-18 17:51 <Plugh> It is nice to see someone packaging things in a way that doesn't pull in everything always and gives you some choice. Just amazing how something as simple(?) as nant or xbuild can pull in a lot of stuff.
2014-12-18 17:51 <Plugh> yup. Have to run that or there is no .sln file for xbuild
2014-12-18 17:52 <Plugh> I forget now why I started using xbuild instead of mono. Oh, that was when I was building on another machine that didn't have nant.
2014-12-18 17:52 <AllenKerensky> did you install mono-complete or its equivalent
2014-12-18 17:53 <Plugh> No. I may have to thought at this rate. Who knows what package xbuild isn't finding.
2014-12-18 17:53 <Plugh> s/thought/though/
2014-12-18 17:53 <AllenKerensky> yeah the usual docs I see all say "install mono-complete"
2014-12-18 17:53 <AllenKerensky> give it a try and see if that gets it
2014-12-18 17:54 <Plugh> oh, well. What is another 119 packages and 14.3MB of stuff to install? :P
2014-12-18 17:54 <AllenKerensky> it seems "mandatory" is what it is
2014-12-18 17:54 <AllenKerensky> 
ACTION grins evilly

2014-12-18 17:55 <Plugh> I'll check whether xbuild works after I get back from lunch.
2014-12-18 17:55 <Plugh> I don't recall using mono-complete before but I can't that easily as my main computer is still down.
2014-12-18 18:02 <mheilman> I have success!  But it appears that WinGridProxy only cares about client <-> region communications.  I was hoping for client <-> robust or client <-> simian as well
2014-12-18 18:06 <mheilman> n/m, found the udp section of the configs
2014-12-18 18:06 <diva> The only client <-> robust interactions are at login and, maybe textures and inventory via CAPs
2014-12-18 18:09 <diva> The CAPs support in Grid Proxy is a bit weak and visually misleading. You need to be careful when interpreting what's going on.
2014-12-18 18:10 <mheilman> thanks diva
2014-12-18 18:11 <diva> yw
2014-12-18 18:28 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: mono-complete ftw. :)   No idea what package was missing as the error wasn't telling me. OS is building now with xbuild.
2014-12-18 18:29 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: I now have 204 mono packages where I had only 87 before.
2014-12-18 18:29 <Plugh> No idea how many of them are actually useful (to me) and required to build and run OS
2014-12-18 18:30 <AllenKerensky> well in general - a development system where you're compiling things always has many more packages than a stripped production system where you're running the built and tested code
2014-12-18 18:30 <Plugh> and I get a compile error.
2014-12-18 18:31 <AllenKerensky> might need to rerun runprebuild.sh then xbuild again
2014-12-18 18:31 <Plugh> hm... interesting. Error is in a custom module of mine. Didn't complain about it before when I was running with mono 3.2.8
2014-12-18 18:32 <Plugh> `ExtensionAttribute' is an ambiguous reference between `Mono.Addins.ExtensionAttribute' and `System.Runtime.CompilerServices.ExtensionAttribute'
2014-12-18 18:32 <AllenKerensky> didn't justincc just rename something like that?
2014-12-18 18:32 <AllenKerensky> I seem to recall there was a recent commit related to renaming something like that
2014-12-18 18:33 <Plugh> This is 0.8PF I'm building.
2014-12-18 18:33 <diva> I think this is due to us upping .net to 4.0
2014-12-18 18:34 <Plugh> Must be some sort of macro. -> [Extension(Path= , NodeName= , Id= )]
2014-12-18 18:34 <Plugh> There is no direct reference to ExtensionAttribute in that line.
2014-12-18 18:35 <diva> why is your module using System.Runtime.CompilerServices ?
2014-12-18 18:35 <diva> are you compiling anything?
2014-12-18 18:36 <Plugh> My main machine has been down for a while. I thought the update to 4.0 was done before my machine stopped working.
2014-12-18 18:36 <Plugh> grrr.... bbiab. The cat is being *very* insistant that he wants me to go see him.
2014-12-18 18:51 <Plugh> I'm back.
2014-12-18 18:52 <Plugh> Hm... my use of Extension seems to be the same as used in ossearch but no complaint there, AFAIK.
2014-12-18 18:55 <Plugh> diva: why is whose module using System.Runtime.CompilerServices ?
2014-12-18 18:56 <H-H-H> talking of xbuild whats the command to do a make clean ?
2014-12-18 18:57 <Plugh> diva: Oh, I see. I have no idea. It was a line that was in the source code I have.
2014-12-18 18:57 <Plugh> Good question
2014-12-18 18:58 <H-H-H> ./runprebuild.sh clean apparently
2014-12-18 18:58 <Plugh> ah, yes. that does appear to be the case.
2014-12-18 19:00 <H-H-H> viewer re built now to do the sim :)_
2014-12-18 19:02 <Plugh> I'm still trying to get my copy of OS rebuilt with a custom module source in place.
2014-12-18 19:02 <Plugh> yet another compile error.
2014-12-18 19:02 <H-H-H> well i tried to do a git pull and then rebuild on os but it gave me 2 errors about .net4.0 attributes couldnt be set twice :|
2014-12-18 19:03 <Plugh> Were you building git master?
2014-12-18 19:03 <H-H-H> yep
2014-12-18 19:04 <H-H-H> obj/Debug/.NETFramework,Version=v4.0.AssemblyAttribute.cs(2,46): error CS0579: The attribute `System.Runtime.Versioning.TargetFrameworkAttribute' cannot be applied multiple times
2014-12-18 19:06 <H-H-H> am doing a fresh clone now
2014-12-18 19:06 <Plugh> ok. I was building 0.8PF. Trying with master now (I have a checkout of it in a separate dir from 0.8PF)
2014-12-18 19:07 <AllenKerensky> time to hand out another "build from master or die" t-shirt...
2014-12-18 19:07 <Plugh> No, it isn't.
2014-12-18 19:08 <AllenKerensky> aw, come on! live dangerously!
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2014-12-18 19:09 <Plugh> Stupid laptop. Closed the window on me. It does all kinds of stuff I don't ask it to do.
2014-12-18 19:09 <Plugh> No problem building master. I just don't plan to use it for more than testing.
2014-12-18 19:10 <H-H-H> yeah master builds fine for me to
2014-12-18 19:12 <Plugh> same build error in master as in 0.8PF with my custom module.
2014-12-18 19:30 <AllenKerensky> time to rename something on the suspect line
2014-12-18 19:31 <Plugh> Time to check whether I have the latest source of the module. Might have an older version.
2014-12-18 19:32 <Plugh> bbiab
2014-12-18 20:39 <Plugh> Ah, the code is using a Synchronized thing later in the code. The current day equivalent to that is probably a lock.
2014-12-18 20:42 <Plugh> bl
2014-12-18 20:42 <Plugh> bbl
2014-12-18 20:51 <dahlia> maybe System.Runtime.CompilerServices is used by the script engine?
2014-12-18 22:01 <Plugh> 
ACTION is back

2014-12-18 22:02 <H-H-H> runnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
2014-12-18 22:08 <Plugh> hehe
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2014-12-19 18:43 <diva> cmickeyb: google protocol buffers seems nice; there's abunch of language bindings for it provided as third party addons
2014-12-19 18:43 <diva> https://github.com/google/protobuf/wiki/Third-Party-Add-ons
2014-12-19 18:44 <cmickeyb> replace JSON with protobufs?
2014-12-19 18:44 <diva> they have a formal .proto spec language
2014-12-19 18:45 <cmickeyb> oh... yeah... could use the spec & then map to whatever we want for underlying message format
2014-12-19 18:45 <diva> https://developers.google.com/protocol-buffers/docs/proto
2014-12-19 18:47 <cmickeyb> i'm dealing to protobufs in another project i have going on
2014-12-19 18:47 <cmickeyb> probably worth digging into it
2014-12-19 18:48 <diva> yeah. from everything I saw, GPB looks like the best, in the sense that it has a lot of language bindings.
2014-12-19 18:49 <cmickeyb> ok... i'll take a look
2014-12-19 18:49 <cmickeyb> the specification language looks good
2014-12-19 18:52 <cmickeyb> diva, i was also looking at JSON schemas as a specification language
2014-12-19 18:53 <cmickeyb> http://json-schema.org/
2014-12-19 18:54 <diva> does it have many language bindings?
2014-12-19 18:54 <cmickeyb> though the number of tools available to process them is much smaller
2014-12-19 18:54 <diva> yeah
2014-12-19 18:54 <cmickeyb> a few
2014-12-19 18:54 <cmickeyb> python & perl
2014-12-19 18:54 <cmickeyb> nothing like protobufsa
2014-12-19 18:56 <cmickeyb> although... the nice part about a json schema is that it *is* json... so parsing is trivial
2014-12-19 18:59 <diva> but having so many language bindings already available makes that issue go away...
2014-12-19 18:59 <diva> eother way, really. it should not be hard
2014-12-19 18:59 <cmickeyb> yup
2014-12-19 19:00 <cmickeyb> and just to be clear... are you suggesting a move away from JSON/BSON as the wire formats?
2014-12-19 19:00 <cmickeyb> use protobufs for that?
2014-12-19 19:00 <diva> no, not necessarily
2014-12-19 19:00 <cmickeyb> ok?
2014-12-19 19:00 <diva> just have something that's language-independent and that can generate many things
2014-12-19 19:01 <diva> does protobufs generate json? let me check
2014-12-19 19:01 <cmickeyb> it doesn't 
2014-12-19 19:01 <cmickeyb> it has its own wire format
2014-12-19 19:01 <diva> oh geez, seriously?
2014-12-19 19:01 <cmickeyb> yes
2014-12-19 19:01 <mheilman> protobufs serializes
2014-12-19 19:01 <cmickeyb> remember the old XDR?
2014-12-19 19:01 <diva> yeah
2014-12-19 19:02 <cmickeyb> mheilman, can we replace the default serialization easily?
2014-12-19 19:02 <mheilman> its been a few years since I used it, but probably not.  protobufs is very good at its terse serialization, thats why its so good
2014-12-19 19:02 <cmickeyb> yeah
2014-12-19 19:02 <cmickeyb> like the old XDR
2014-12-19 19:02 <cmickeyb> fixed formats on both ends
2014-12-19 19:02 <cmickeyb> very fast
2014-12-19 19:02 <cmickeyb> very small
2014-12-19 19:03 <mheilman> protobufs also, at least a few years back, did not have compatibility between your api versions
2014-12-19 19:03 <cmickeyb> but not runtime extensible or... "flexible" (and not self describing)
2014-12-19 19:04 <cmickeyb> https://code.google.com/p/protobuf-json/
2014-12-19 19:04 <cmickeyb> hmmm
2014-12-19 19:04 <diva> oh there you havve it
2014-12-19 19:04 <diva> I don't see it in the list of 3rd partues, probably because it does something else
2014-12-19 19:05 <cmickeyb> it looks like a separate protobuf compiler
2014-12-19 19:05 <cmickeyb> although...
2014-12-19 19:05 <cmickeyb> if we are going to use protobuf for specification... why not use protobuf for wire formats?
2014-12-19 19:06 <diva> yeah. unless you have backwards compatibility issues, that shoulnds like a good idea
2014-12-19 19:06 <cmickeyb> i'm currently using some unique characteristics of the Newtonsoft json library
2014-12-19 19:07 <cmickeyb> for class reflection
2014-12-19 19:07 <cmickeyb> so that a JSON message can be bound to a particular C# class
2014-12-19 19:07 <cmickeyb> (and vice versa)
2014-12-19 19:07 <cmickeyb> ensuring that the type fields are included would be important...
2014-12-19 19:08 <cmickeyb> or just make the jump to protobufs
2014-12-19 19:08 <cmickeyb> and trust the wealth of language bindings
2014-12-19 19:08 <diva> someone pointed at thrift too:  https://thrift.apache.org/
2014-12-19 19:09 <diva> although that looks like RPC
2014-12-19 19:10 <cmickeyb> from what i've seen... i think the json schema would be the least disruptive to the current code base
2014-12-19 19:11 <cmickeyb> the client libraries are very "structured" for each message which bodes well for automation
2014-12-19 19:11 <cmickeyb> protobufs might still be the best choice in the long run
2014-12-19 19:12 <cmickeyb> though... as you know, we're pumping a LOT of messages into opensim through the dispatcher interface for the cars demo
2014-12-19 19:12 <cmickeyb> and it has worked extremely well
2014-12-19 19:12 <cmickeyb> in spite of being JSON/BSON
2014-12-19 19:12 <cmickeyb> i'm cleaning up the dispatcher perl libraries today
2014-12-19 19:13 <diva> go for it!
2014-12-19 19:13 <cmickeyb> let me do a little more reading on the specs & see what i come up with
2014-12-19 19:13 <cmickeyb> oh... and i added several additional authorization schemes
2014-12-19 19:14 <cmickeyb> if security is turned on... user must authenticate with local account, then filters for grid gods (access levels configured) or estate managers
2014-12-19 19:14 <cmickeyb> per our discussion in irvine
2014-12-19 19:14 <cmickeyb> still need to add IP address filtering
2014-12-19 19:15 <diva> cool
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2014-12-20 01:43 <osjenkins> jjustincc: In XBakes use proper disposal semantics to always close the stream on Store() no matter what
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2014-12-20 01:47 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Use using() semantics in XBakesModule to ensure disposable objects are alway disposed no matter what
2014-12-20 01:47 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: minor: Correct propery doc RestClient._resource spelling mistake
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2014-12-20 01:52 <osjenkins> jjustincc: In XBakesModule.Get() use using() to always dispose of RestClient which disposes the stream rather than disposing the stream directly
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2014-12-20 01:57 <osmantis> Bug #7342:04 XBakes - [BASE HTTP SERVER]: Exceptions with process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7342 ): has been ASSIGNED.
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2014-12-20 02:01 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Make sure we always dispose of disposables inside RestClient.Request()
2014-12-20 02:27 <tommyfdny> Hi is anyone on?
2014-12-20 03:30 <misterblue_> I want transparent dialog windows and can't figure out how to get Singularity to do it...
2014-12-20 03:31 <misterblue_> what are the current awesome TPVs people are using?
2014-12-20 03:34 <misterblue_> diva has based her work on Singularity
2014-12-20 03:34 <misterblue_> I've found Alchemy to be the best renderer
2014-12-20 03:38 <diva> yeah, I'm only familiar with Singularuty
2014-12-20 03:38 <diva> are you actually compiling the viewer?
2014-12-20 03:38 <misterblue_> no, I should though... I want to play with the protocol
2014-12-20 03:39 <misterblue_> like you're playing with the view... I'd like to play with connection to the server
2014-12-20 03:39 <diva> yes. I'm really enjoying seeing the world from the viewer side! More of us should do it
2014-12-20 03:40 <diva> for that particular issue, maybe ask in the Singu devs channel. LiruCookies is usually very helpful, and she know about the GUI
2014-12-20 03:40 <misterblue_> that's #singularity?
2014-12-20 03:41 <diva> it's #SingularityViewer
2014-12-20 03:41 <misterblue_> thanks
2014-12-20 03:58 <dahlia> misterblue: I think the window backgrounds are images and you can switch to an alpha image for transparent
2014-12-20 04:00 <misterblue> I just want the chat dialog box to be transparent so it doesn't cover the in-world experience... 
2014-12-20 04:00 <misterblue> I didn't find where it was an image... there is a background color or unfocused windows but that doesn't seem to change what is displayed when the viewer runs
2014-12-20 04:01 <misterblue> this complicated by Windows which has  the files in "Program File/Singularity/skins" and the AppData files
2014-12-20 04:02 <misterblue> this is more: what the heck do I change to get transparent dialogs...
2014-12-20 04:03 <misterblue> on a different subject..
2014-12-20 04:04 <misterblue> SL/OpenSim object just don't match the OpenGL/physics model created for games
2014-12-20 04:04 <misterblue> the infrastructure created for games is the totally authored, tweeked objects that makes rendering quick
2014-12-20 04:05 <misterblue> the SL model is these easy to use prims... not the same as minecraft cubes (which lend themselves to rendering in the shaders) but funny specified meshes
2014-12-20 04:06 <misterblue> the conversion of these prim meshes into what's needed for rendering and physics is a mess
2014-12-20 04:06 <misterblue> BulletSim has to use some fancy approximations using the HACD algorithms... imperfect and slow
2014-12-20 04:06 <misterblue> sigh
2014-12-20 04:07 <misterblue> I must be needing some rant time
2014-12-20 04:07 <misterblue> I'll return to my cave and brood
2014-12-20 04:16 <AllenKerensky> this sounds like the old UNIX... why!?! rants from Windows students...
2014-12-20 04:16 <AllenKerensky> and the answer inevitably was "because it made sense at the time" heh
2014-12-20 04:17 <AllenKerensky> "why does /etc/resolv.conf NOT have an e after resolv?" ... it made sense at the time etc
2014-12-20 04:18 <misterblue> Singularity changed to the 'skin' model... that changes where the display configuration is stored
2014-12-20 04:18 <misterblue> this seems to be different than the other TPVs (am I wrong?)
2014-12-20 04:19 <misterblue> wrong thread... what I was ranting about before is that SL doesn't really fit OpenGL
2014-12-20 04:20 <misterblue> their model of prims is good for user content creation but not good for rendering in OpenGL
2014-12-20 04:20 <misterblue> much magic is necessary to convert prims into OpenGL rendering... and even more magic for physics
2014-12-20 04:21 <misterblue> BulletSim has some 'magic' for prims to physically renderable shapes but it is imperfect
2014-12-20 04:22 <misterblue> authored games have wizard content creators creating perfect rendering and physical shapes
2014-12-20 04:22 <misterblue> SL/OpenSim is left with imperfect auto-generated approximations
2014-12-20 04:24 <misterblue> I'm not thinking that OpenGL is the end-all/be-all of rendering... just fretting about how to convert SL/OpenSim content to renderable/physical objects
2014-12-20 04:41 <OtakuMegane> Well it's certainly not an easy thing to work out. SL/Opensim-type environments have the unique issue of being 100% dynamic. Anything can change in any way at any given time. Even sandbox games like Minecraft, while quite dynamic have a number of rendering factors that can be predicted and optimized.
2014-12-20 04:42 <AllenKerensky> this is why lindens say "user generated content" like a swear word now
2014-12-20 04:42 <AllenKerensky> that's a joke for any purists in the channel
2014-12-20 04:42 <OtakuMegane> lol
2014-12-20 04:43 <OtakuMegane> I've had to throw in such explanation many times over the years when people whine about "But my computer can handle Crysis fine but SL is sooo slow". Granted the earlier viewers were not exactly works of art. It still has a lot that could be worked on no doubt. But there's only so much you can do.
2014-12-20 04:44 <AllenKerensky> the comment that the internals doesn't match the OpenGL primitives is interesting
2014-12-20 04:44 <AllenKerensky> I would kind have expected the internals to be primarily a translation to opengl and directx primitives
2014-12-20 04:44 <OtakuMegane> But that would make sense. XD
2014-12-20 04:50 <OtakuMegane> Sadly rendering and physics engines are two things mostly beyond me at this point. I undertsand the basics but sit me down with the code and it's "durrrr wut". :)
2014-12-20 04:51 <misterblue> the state-of-the-art is hand authored content for the rendering engine
2014-12-20 04:51 <misterblue> still haven't solved the 'user' generated content problem
2014-12-20 04:51 <misterblue> I'd say SL was a very good attempt at that
2014-12-20 04:52 <misterblue> still some bumps in the road, though
2014-12-20 04:55 <OtakuMegane> For working in a 3D design environment SL is rather amazing. Even without meshes and such just what you can make with primitives is pretty expansive and you don't have to break your mind trying to learn how to manipulate things.
2014-12-20 04:55 <misterblue> I agree... SL is amazing for enabling users to create content... their model was inspired
2014-12-20 04:56 <misterblue> and, like Diva constantly says, the viewer SL created is amazing at rendering that content
2014-12-20 04:58 <OtakuMegane> Yeah. Eventually someone will probably figure out handling fully dynamic content (or ever-increasing processing power will make it a moot point) but we've got a long road ahead.
2014-12-20 04:59 <misterblue> long road...
2014-12-20 05:00 <misterblue> the requirement for rendering and physics collisions are very different... automatic relationship between these two spaces is not obvious
2014-12-20 05:00 <misterblue> 
ACTION needs a doctoral student to solve this problem

2014-12-20 05:01 <OtakuMegane> Probably lol
2014-12-20 17:38 <orenh> I realize I'm late to this, but I wanted to +1 Protocol Buffers
2014-12-20 17:38 <orenh> We use them for EVERYTHING, and they're great
2014-12-20 17:38 <orenh> The messages are both forward and backward version compatible
2014-12-20 17:39 <orenh> And we also use a 3rd-party library to serialize them as JSON, so even our HTML5 web client uses Protocol Buffers
2014-12-20 17:43 <diva> cmickeyb isn't here unfortunately
2014-12-20 19:55 <antont> orenh: that's nice to hear. when starting to use knet we thought of protobufs too. are quite similar. but the guys had the knet things ready already then so that was quicker as a first solution at least
2014-12-20 21:19 <dahlia> 
ACTION uses the OSD json serialization/deserialization in libomv with *excellent* results

2014-12-20 21:20 <dahlia> protobufs is lame because it's not dynamic
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2014-12-21 12:39 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between adjoining var regions almost always causes viewer crash. Walking across sometimes crashes too but not as often 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-21 14:00 <osmantis> Bug #7342:04 XBakes - [BASE HTTP SERVER]: Exceptions with process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7342 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-12-21 22:24 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between adjoining var regions almost always causes viewer crash. Walking across sometimes crashes too but not as often 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-21 22:59 <diva> nebadon one of my students is measuring the load on login and observing a strange phenomenon. I wonder if it is consistent with your experience. It looks like if you have a light scene (say, an empty region) the CPU load is actually higher on login than if you have a heavier scene. Did you notice this?
2014-12-21 22:59 <diva> this may be related to the viewer making less inventory requests when it has to process a heavy scene, basically
2014-12-21 23:21 <nebadon_laptop> I have not noticed that diva, but then again I havent really done much testing on empty simulators
2014-12-21 23:21 <nebadon_laptop> I can tell you
2014-12-21 23:21 <nebadon_laptop> that if your fcache is not populated, the first login is always going to be terrible
2014-12-21 23:21 <diva> yeah, we've covered that
2014-12-21 23:22 <diva> but this is really interesting and it can be explained too by looking at the viewer code
2014-12-21 23:23 <diva> the viewer does inventory download during its "idle" cycles. So if it has a heavy scene, there will be less idle cycles => less inventory requests, and vice-versa. 
2014-12-21 23:23 <diva> the phenomenon is really noticeable on an empty scene. The viewer goes nuts with inventory requests, and the server complies...
2014-12-21 23:24 <nebadon_laptop> interesting
2014-12-21 23:24 <diva> I think we found the source of another major pain point
2014-12-21 23:25 <diva> we need to throttle those requests...
2014-12-21 23:25 <diva> or their service
2014-12-21 23:26 <diva> (can't do much about the rate at which the viewer sends them, but we can put a break on serving them)
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2014-12-22 02:15 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between adjoining var regions almost always causes viewer crash. Walking across sometimes crashes too but not as often 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-22 05:34 <osmantis> Bug #7323:04 V2 Groups restriction on group membership 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7323 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-22 08:22 <Wanderer_42> Hi. A friend had a problem with an selfmaded function, that calls itself. Because of an bug this was an endless loop. But instead that the script was terminated, the whole simulator crashed. is there a way 8a setting) to let scripty behave like in SL ?
2014-12-22 08:22 <Wanderer_42> Sorry for the typos. But it is understandable, I think ;-)
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2014-12-22 14:40 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between adjoining var regions almost always causes viewer crash. Walking across sometimes crashes too but not as often 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-22 14:49 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between adjoining var regions often causes long viewer freeze or crash. Flying across borders sometimes crashes also. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-12-22 14:50 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between adjoining var regions often causes long viewer freeze or crash. Flying across borders sometimes crashes also. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-12-22 14:59 <osmantis> Bug #7191:04 [BULLETSIM] exception with linkset on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7191 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-12-22 15:00 <osmantis> Bug #6854:04 We need an option to not show AVs on map for privacy reasons. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6854 ): has been RESOLVED.
2014-12-22 15:01 <osmantis> Bug #6854:04 We need an option to not show AVs on map for privacy reasons. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6854 ): has been CLOSED
2014-12-22 15:02 <osmantis> Bug #7101:04 4 Vivox messages in log file every second if Voice in Land Settings is turned off. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7101 ): has been CLOSED
2014-12-22 16:23 <Plugh> Has anyone noticed a region locking up temporarily when someone pulls up the map for the first time in a region using Warp3D for map tile generation?
2014-12-22 16:26 <nebadon_laptop> Plugh, that is not how it works
2014-12-22 16:27 <nebadon_laptop> the map isnt generated first time someone pulls it up
2014-12-22 16:27 <nebadon_laptop> its generated when the region starts
2014-12-22 16:27 <nebadon_laptop> I also do not think the region has to fetch maptiles from asset server
2014-12-22 16:27 <nebadon_laptop> it should retain a local copy 
2014-12-22 16:28 <nebadon_laptop> so that would be very strange I think to see a region freeze up for everyone first time maptile gets fetched
2014-12-22 16:28 <nebadon_laptop> its more likely a fcache issue
2014-12-22 16:28 <Plugh> I know that it generates tiles on region start up. I'm just passing along something I've been told by someone who is testing 0.8.1 as they plan to upgrade from 0.7.6
2014-12-22 16:28 <nebadon_laptop> where its fetching a large swath of maptiles from surrounding regions
2014-12-22 16:28 <nebadon_laptop> but I can not say I have seen this behavior
2014-12-22 16:29 <nebadon_laptop> does it just freeze them up?
2014-12-22 16:29 <nebadon_laptop> or it freezes everyone who is logged in?
2014-12-22 16:30 <nebadon_laptop> it does sound like diva found something interesting last night
2014-12-22 16:30 <Plugh> It is freezing everyone.
2014-12-22 16:31 <nebadon_laptop> this is what she said last night
2014-12-22 16:31 <nebadon_laptop> <diva> the viewer does inventory download during its "idle" cycles. So if it has a heavy scene, there will be less idle cycles => less inventory requests, and vice-versa. 
2014-12-22 16:31 <nebadon_laptop> <diva> the phenomenon is really noticeable on an empty scene. The viewer goes nuts with inventory requests, and the server complies...
2014-12-22 16:31 <nebadon_laptop> <nebadon_laptop> interesting
2014-12-22 16:31 <nebadon_laptop> <diva> I think we found the source of another major pain point
2014-12-22 16:31 <nebadon_laptop> <diva> we need to throttle those requests...
2014-12-22 16:31 <Plugh> yea, I saw that on the email the other day
2014-12-22 16:31 <Plugh> or was it here. Either way, I did read that. Sounds like a good catch.
2014-12-22 16:32 <nebadon_laptop> ya first I heard it was last night 
2014-12-22 16:37 <Plugh> With most viewers using a common code base, most viewers would exhibit the problem.
2014-12-22 16:45 <Plugh> How does map tile fetch work? The instance you are in will have the tile for its own regions but how does the viewer get the tiles for neighbouring regions and ones far away in other instances?
2014-12-22 16:47 <Plugh> Btw, map tile fetch causing region lockup only happens when using Warp3D. Switching to regular maptile generation eliminated the lock up on first time fetch of the map.
2014-12-22 17:24 <Plugh> Just read the latest news about osgrid. Sounds promising that osgrid may be back in the early part of next year.
2014-12-22 17:48 <nebadon_laptop> hey sorry Plugh, stepped away
2014-12-22 17:48 <Plugh> np.
2014-12-22 17:48 <nebadon_laptop> maptiles for the most part are like any asset
2014-12-22 17:49 <nebadon_laptop> fetched from asset server
2014-12-22 17:49 <nebadon_laptop> that is surprising that there would be any difference between Warp3D and Standard maptiles when fetching them
2014-12-22 17:50 <nebadon_laptop> bringing up the map should not really trigger anything but an asset fetch
2014-12-22 17:50 <nebadon_laptop> it is just a texture after all
2014-12-22 17:50 <Plugh> yea, I know. the person does have FlotsamCache configured. Cache expire is set to 0 and cleanup set to 1.0 hours
2014-12-22 17:51 <Plugh> right. During the lock up it will report about missed heartbeat
2014-12-22 17:51 <nebadon_laptop> hmm
2014-12-22 17:51 <nebadon_laptop> and this happens everytime they log in?
2014-12-22 17:51 <nebadon_laptop> or just the first time they log in?
2014-12-22 17:58 <Plugh> First time they pull up the map.
2014-12-22 18:00 <Plugh> What I was told is -> you have to login and be using warp and open large map, then region freezes for about 60 seconds with heartbeat warning. another person can repeat same procedure immediately  on same region and lock it up again but once a user has loaded map once its ok for him
2014-12-22 18:01 <nebadon_laptop> how odd Plugh
2014-12-22 18:01 <nebadon_laptop> i definitely have not seen that
2014-12-22 18:01 <Plugh> yeah. I was trying to see if it was a config error but not sure what it might be.
2014-12-22 18:01 <Plugh> bbl. my lunch is ready.
2014-12-22 18:01 <nebadon_laptop> kk
2014-12-22 18:34 <diva> nebadon ping
2014-12-22 18:34 <nebadon_laptop> hey diva
2014-12-22 18:34 <diva> hi
2014-12-22 18:34 <diva> I vaguely remember that there is a way of exporting linksets as mesh, is that right?
2014-12-22 18:34 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2014-12-22 18:34 <diva> is that only radegast?
2014-12-22 18:35 <nebadon_laptop> no
2014-12-22 18:35 <diva> all viewers do it?
2014-12-22 18:35 <nebadon_laptop> Singularity and Replex have it as well
2014-12-22 18:35 <nebadon_laptop> i can not remember if Firestorm does
2014-12-22 18:35 <nebadon_laptop> probably not
2014-12-22 18:35 <diva> I wonder if lkalif added that to libomv
2014-12-22 18:35 <nebadon_laptop> I think it requires the ability to render
2014-12-22 18:36 <nebadon_laptop> it grabs what opengl renders
2014-12-22 18:36 <nebadon_laptop> it doesnt actually convert it
2014-12-22 18:36 <diva> it doesn't convert it to Collada?
2014-12-22 18:36 <nebadon_laptop> well it does
2014-12-22 18:36 <nebadon_laptop> but its not a direct translation from the LL format to collada
2014-12-22 18:36 <nebadon_laptop> what he did was take what opengl renders
2014-12-22 18:37 <diva> how do I access this capability?
2014-12-22 18:37 <nebadon_laptop> and takes a snapshot of that
2014-12-22 18:37 <nebadon_laptop> in the viewer?
2014-12-22 18:37 <diva> yes
2014-12-22 18:37 <nebadon_laptop> you right click the object
2014-12-22 18:37 <diva> I want to find it in code, but I can start with the UI
2014-12-22 18:37 <nebadon_laptop> and go to more > more > export > dae
2014-12-22 18:38 <diva> oh cool
2014-12-22 18:39 <Plugh> Tis a strange sort of behaviour. I only have a few regions on Warp3D so I haven't seen that issue.
2014-12-22 18:39 <Wanderer_42> Hi. A friend had a problem with an selfmaded function, that calls itself. Because of an bug this was an endless loop. But instead that the script was terminated, the whole simulator crashed. Is there a way (a setting) to let scripts behave like in SL ?
2014-12-22 18:40 <diva> nebadon so what are the drawbacks of these Colladas?
2014-12-22 18:40 <nebadon_laptop> prims don't make efficient mesh
2014-12-22 18:41 <nebadon_laptop> some will be ok
2014-12-22 18:41 <nebadon_laptop> but very complex mesh objects require a lot of manual fixing
2014-12-22 18:41 <diva> are the "wrong" or just "innefficient"?
2014-12-22 18:43 <nebadon_laptop> sometimes both
2014-12-22 18:44 <nebadon_laptop> there is no magic formula
2014-12-22 18:44 <nebadon_laptop> it really depends on the types of prims used, are they cut and hollowed etc.. how many prims 
2014-12-22 18:44 <nebadon_laptop> textures are not always right 
2014-12-22 18:45 <nebadon_laptop> mostly though they are extremely inefficient compared to a native mesh made correctly 
2014-12-22 18:45 <nebadon_laptop> a lot of the time they are so complex they just crash blender
2014-12-22 18:45 <nebadon_laptop> so i have to do them in 3 or 4 or more peices etc..
2014-12-22 18:50 <diva> hmm, this doesn't seem to exist in libomv
2014-12-22 18:50 <MarcusLlew> FS does have collada export. 
2014-12-22 18:51 <MarcusLlew> As does Kokua. 
2014-12-22 18:52 <MarcusLlew> I typically only use it to prototype. Do a very basic shape with prime in world, and export that as a guide for a more final product.  
2014-12-22 18:54 <Plugh> I considered updating the Prim.Blender project to work with a more recent version of Blender. Too many projects as it is so I didn't get very far.
2014-12-22 18:54 <Plugh> It would let you do prim building in Blender.
2014-12-22 18:56 <diva> I see how this can be inefficient, yes.
2014-12-22 19:00 <MarcusLlew> It kinda undoes the benefits of mesh to simply export then import prims as mesh. The cleanup necessary to get those benefits isn't much less effort than creating a proper mesh in blender (or 3d modeler of choice.) 
2014-12-22 19:01 <MarcusLlew> Prima have their own benefits, and you lose that too. 
2014-12-22 19:06 <diva> the curious thing here is that even when the prims have been created with a mesh, the viewer ignores that original mesh and exports them as any other prim.
2014-12-22 19:07 <NickyP_> been trying to improve mesh export / import in kokua with little progress. Singularity works better then kokua or FS for finding and transferring the textures that are full perm and belong with the mesh or object exported.
2014-12-22 19:10 <NickyP_> at present kokua enforces the strictest export rule. You must be the creator or no export.
2014-12-22 19:32 <osmantis> Bug #7323:04 V2 Groups restriction on group membership 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7323 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-22 19:44 <Wanderer_42> Hi. A friend had a problem with an selfmaded function, that calls itself. Because of an bug this was an endless loop. But instead that the script was terminated, the whole simulator crashed. Is there a way (a setting) to let scripts behave like in SL ?
2014-12-22 19:45 <Plugh> What does a bug in a region module have to do with scripts behaving like in SL?
2014-12-22 19:50 <Wanderer_42> I ask because the simulator crashed instead of terminating the script. I simp,y want to know, whether this is an OpenSim-Bug or whether there is a setting
2014-12-22 19:50 <Wanderer_42> whether this is a well known problem
2014-12-22 19:53 <H-H-H> so instead  of the script bringing the sim down it just termninates hmmmm i dont know :|
2014-12-22 19:54 <Wanderer_42> In SL a script is terminated in such a case. The simulator is safe. I thought, this is the case in OS too
2014-12-22 19:54 <diva> that's not the case
2014-12-22 19:55 <diva> if you have a misbehaving script things can go very wrong in the simulator
2014-12-22 19:55 <diva> the script engine is completely different in SL than XEngine
2014-12-22 19:55 <diva> XEngine is really poor in many dimensions
2014-12-22 19:56 <Plugh> There are too many ways to put code in to an infinite loop. I don't think it is the job of the grid code to save your from them.
2014-12-22 19:57 <Plugh> How would the grid code be able to detect an infinite loop?
2014-12-22 19:58 <H-H-H> maybe detect the script thread timing out or exscesive usage? im just guessing :)
2014-12-22 20:00 <nebadon_laptop> ok I am back, sorry had a load test / meeting on MOSES grid with Doug
2014-12-22 20:00 <Wanderer_42> I think, if an scriptt needs too much cpu-time it is terminated, maybe. ok, I know now the facts and can give that info to that person.
2014-12-22 20:20 <nebadon_laptop> I thought there was a setting for something like that
2014-12-22 20:20 <nebadon_laptop> let me look
2014-12-22 20:21 <nebadon_laptop> Wanderer_42
2014-12-22 20:21 <nebadon_laptop> [Xengine]
2014-12-22 20:21 <nebadon_laptop>     ; KillTimedOutScripts = false
2014-12-22 20:21 <nebadon_laptop> also >     ; EventLimit = 30
2014-12-22 20:22 <nebadon_laptop> unlikely that would kill things with Highcpu
2014-12-22 20:22 <H-H-H> ahh ty for the info neb :)
2014-12-22 20:22 <nebadon_laptop> infact currently under mono with appdomain settings required
2014-12-22 20:22 <nebadon_laptop> it would likely be impossible to really distinguish with accuracy which script is using high cpu
2014-12-22 20:22 <nebadon_laptop> and technically we cant really kill scripts in that mode
2014-12-22 20:22 <nebadon_laptop> these are all mostly limitations of mono itself though
2014-12-22 20:23 <nebadon_laptop> not so much opensim, though maybe something we can do to improve upon that, however it is not an easy problem to solve
2014-12-22 20:24 <nebadon_laptop> if you have a very low script load you might be able to run each script in its own app domain in mono, however I myslef have had almost no luck with that
2014-12-22 20:24 <nebadon_laptop> and you sort of leave the door open to things going wrong
2014-12-22 20:36 <Wanderer_42> Thank you, for this Information
2014-12-22 20:39 <nebadon_laptop> no problem
2014-12-22 21:35 <Ken-S> I am concerned that the OSG recovered data will be partially corrupt and that would be worse than no inventory data at all.
2014-12-22 21:35 <Ken-S> What are your thoughts on this?
2014-12-22 21:40 <dahlia> Ken-S: I just uploaded my most recent inventory IAR to my own grid and I'm using it there. After all this time I *personally* don't have much faith in osgrid coming back any time soon, if ever. Of course I'll be happy to be wrong about this ;)
2014-12-22 22:00 <Ken-S> Im sure it will come back sooner or later, but
2014-12-22 22:01 <Ken-S> if any of the data is still corrupted, it may still require an inventory clean wipe...
2014-12-22 22:01 <Ken-S> which is something that could have been done right after the crash.
2014-12-22 23:45 <H-H-H> can anyone tell me what is avatar privacy?
2014-12-22 23:54 <H-H-H> seem to be getting a few of these recently anyone think of what or why?
2014-12-22 23:54 <H-H-H> 23:52:27 - [USER AGENT CONNECTOR]: remote call to http://homeofhippo.duckdns.org:9000/ for GetBoolResponse returned an error: Requested method [logout_agent] not found
2014-12-22 23:59 <nebadon_laptop> H-H-H maybe Hypergridding between different versions
2014-12-23 00:00 <H-H-H> i litterally just startd the grid up and logged in and tested a viewer then logged out, no tp or hg at all
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2014-12-23 01:45 <smxy_> One thing that's good about osgrid being down (gotta look for the silver lining, eh?), is that a lot of people have learned how to set up their own grids, and they have learned why making OARs and IARs are important to do regularly.
2014-12-23 01:58 <H-H-H> anyone around that is familiar with the opensim CAPS ?
2014-12-23 01:58 <nebadon_laptop> what is it you want to know H-H-H
2014-12-23 01:59 <H-H-H> im looking to see if a CAP is in opensm and if not how much of a PIA it would be to add it
2014-12-23 01:59 <nebadon_laptop> look in OpenSimDefaults.ini
2014-12-23 01:59 <nebadon_laptop> that lists all the caps
2014-12-23 01:59 <H-H-H> ServerReleaseNotes
2014-12-23 02:00 <nebadon_laptop> i do not think that is implemented
2014-12-23 02:00 <H-H-H> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/ServerReleaseNotes
2014-12-23 02:00 <H-H-H> i want a clickable link to work in the viewer however it needs to use that cap
2014-12-23 02:01 <nebadon_laptop> iig
2014-12-23 02:01 <nebadon_laptop> ooh
2014-12-23 02:01 <nebadon_laptop> it is
2014-12-23 02:01 <nebadon_laptop> Cap_ServerReleaseNotes = ""
2014-12-23 02:01 <H-H-H> looking :)
2014-12-23 02:02 <nebadon_laptop> I have never seen it used though, so not sure how that works
2014-12-23 02:02 <nebadon_laptop> I suppose you could maybe test by pointing at the SL example
2014-12-23 02:03 <H-H-H> nice i see that viewer start auction is there aswell
2014-12-23 02:05 <H-H-H> thanks nebadon_laptop
2014-12-23 02:05 <nebadon_laptop> no problem
2014-12-23 02:06 <LiruCookies> I've just pushed an update that will hide the Release Notes text if the server doesn't have it.
2014-12-23 02:07 <H-H-H> i saw ty LiruCookies
2014-12-23 02:08 <LiruCookies> My current region pointed me to https://sim9881.agni.lindenlab.com:12043/cap/a12dbd5f-7376-a426-da67-2aef7a44bd9e which redirected to http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Server/14#14.12.05.297277
2014-12-23 02:09 <LiruCookies> All it needs to be is a webpage with the release notes
2014-12-23 02:12 <H-H-H> ahh it is not in opensim as the text says the ones that are working in opensim are set to localhost :)
2014-12-23 02:32 <LiruCookies> huh?
2014-12-23 02:32 <LiruCookies> How woul that work?
2014-12-23 02:38 <nebadon_laptop> having it set to nothing just disables it
2014-12-23 02:38 <nebadon_laptop> set to localhost means the simulator handles the request
2014-12-23 02:43 <H-H-H> yes neb but there is nothing in the opensim code that satisfies it if set to localhost
2014-12-23 02:43 <nebadon_laptop> correct
2014-12-23 02:43 <nebadon_laptop> you need to point it to a URL
2014-12-23 02:43 <nebadon_laptop> you do not have to point it to localhost to make it work
2014-12-23 02:43 <H-H-H> :)
2014-12-23 02:47 <H-H-H> lets see what happens if i set it to Cap_ServerReleaseNotes = "http://127.0.0.1/"
2014-12-23 02:48 <nebadon_laptop> unless something is responding with the required info at 127.0.0.1 it will either do nothing or throw some kind of error
2014-12-23 02:49 <H-H-H> hopefully it will error so i know at least its working although it looks to be expecting an llsd responce with the url embded
2014-12-23 03:01 <dahlia> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2014/12/04/introducing-net-core.aspx
2014-12-23 03:35 <nebadon_laptop> dahlia
2014-12-23 03:35 <nebadon_laptop> they kind of make it sound like they are leaving linux to mono still?
2014-12-23 03:35 <nebadon_laptop> am I reading that correctly?
2014-12-23 03:36 <nebadon_laptop> With .NET Core we�re able to develop an entire .NET stack as a full open source project. Thus, having to maintain separate forks will no longer be necessary: together with the Mono community we�ll make .NET Core great for Windows, Linux and Mac OSX. This also enables the Mono community to innovate on top of the leaner .NET Core stack as well as taking it to environments that Microsoft isn
2014-12-23 03:36 <nebadon_laptop> �t interested in.
2014-12-23 03:37 <nebadon_laptop> The .NET Core platform is a new .NET stack that is optimized for open source development and agile delivery on NuGet. We�re working with the Mono community to make it great on Windows, Linux and Mac, and Microsoft will support it on all three platforms
2014-12-23 03:37 <nebadon_laptop> it doesnt sound like microsoft will be making a linux runtime
2014-12-23 03:38 <nebadon_laptop> so confusing
2014-12-23 03:38 <dahlia> dunno. Sounds like they wont be making a runtime for any platforms they aren't interested in, but they may be interested in linux and mac
2014-12-23 03:38 <dahlia> anyway time will tell
2014-12-23 03:38 <H-H-H> cool i got it serving an url in responce to the caps request :)
2014-12-23 03:38 <dahlia> H-H-H: gz :)
2014-12-23 03:38 <H-H-H> had to make a baby non shared region module but it works :)
2014-12-23 03:39 <dahlia> 
ACTION pinches the baby on the cheek

2014-12-23 03:39 <H-H-H> ServerReleaseNotes                     http://127.0.0.1/
2014-12-23 03:40 <H-H-H> thats what show caps says
2014-12-23 03:41 <H-H-H> now to fill out the module so it gives out a usefull url specific to the sim version so it does what its sposed to
2014-12-23 03:43 <dahlia> nebadon_laptop: considering they rent linux servers on azure I'd suspect they may be interested in it
2014-12-23 03:44 <H-H-H> anybody think this module might be handy ?
2014-12-23 03:44 <H-H-H> it basically enables the release notes link for the sim in the About dialog in the viewer
2014-12-23 03:45 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-12-23 03:45 <H-H-H> on opensim obviously as on SL its already sent
2014-12-23 03:45 <nebadon_laptop> sure H-H-H sounds handy
2014-12-23 03:45 <dahlia> if you were considering submitting it, might be simpler to just throw it in BunchOfCaps
2014-12-23 03:46 <H-H-H> yeah i did see those :)
2014-12-23 03:46 <dahlia> not pretty but does the job
2014-12-23 03:46 <H-H-H> im not to familiar with it tho
2014-12-23 03:48 <dahlia> if that string exists in any of the ini files may also want to search source for it to see where its used. Probably not a good idea to duplicate functionality
2014-12-23 03:48 <H-H-H> thats the first thing i did dahlia and it isnt used anywhere
2014-12-23 03:49 <dahlia> ah ok
2014-12-23 03:49 <H-H-H> hence why i made this little module :)
2014-12-23 03:49 <dahlia> =D
2014-12-23 03:53 <H-H-H> nebadon_laptop 03:52:24 - [USER AGENT CONNECTOR]: remote call to http://homeofhippo.duckdns.org:9000/ for GetBoolResponse returned an error: Requested method [logout_agent] not found this seems to only apear on logout
2014-12-23 03:53 <nebadon_laptop> is that your URL?
2014-12-23 03:53 <H-H-H> yes 
2014-12-23 03:53 <H-H-H> and everything else works fine :|
2014-12-23 04:29 <smxy> I hope he contributes that to core. It'd be nice to have that working.
2014-12-23 04:29 <LiruCookies> Does that actually do anything?
2014-12-23 04:30 <LiruCookies> Where's it going to point to now?
2014-12-23 04:30 <smxy> Well, it serves up whatever that URL is. Presumably we get to point it at something we'd like people to see.
2014-12-23 04:33 <smxy> I could use it to describe my build. Along with anything else I'd like people to know.
2014-12-23 04:34 <smxy> I think it could be useful.
2014-12-23 04:38 <LiruCookies> mhm
2014-12-23 04:38 <LiruCookies> So long as by default it's not set
2014-12-23 04:40 <smxy> Yeah, I would think it should point nowhere, by default.
2014-12-23 04:41 <smxy> Lot of people will never use it. Some of us will though.
2014-12-23 04:46 <smxy> LOL, a friend of mine, just said, on facebook 'Apparently talking to my wife and starting my sentence with, "When I was in the Dollar Store getting your Christmas gift...." wasn't a good idea...'. 
2014-12-23 04:56 <LiruCookies> That's a terrible idea
2014-12-23 04:56 <LiruCookies> Unless it's a white lie
2014-12-23 04:56 <LiruCookies> Because then it's the best idea ever.
2014-12-23 05:06 <smxy> hehe
2014-12-23 05:07 <smxy> If you survive her wrath, yeah. :)
2014-12-23 05:31 <LiruCookies> Time it right and you might survive
2014-12-23 18:09 <nebadon_laptop> There will be a Developer Office hours meeting today at OSCC grid : http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 Staff Zone 1
2014-12-23 18:09 <nebadon_laptop> in 50 minutes if anyone is interested
2014-12-23 20:12 <Plugh> I almost pasted a question in to the wrong windows about bug # in the 700,000 range. Not that many issues in mantis about OS.
2014-12-23 20:17 <Plugh> :)
2014-12-23 20:28 <AliciaRaven> if os bug count hit that i think justin would run off to a desert island lol
2014-12-23 20:29 <Plugh> ehe
2014-12-23 20:29 <Plugh> yeah, probably would.
2014-12-23 20:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #3936 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-12-23 20:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3936: SUCCESS in 9 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3936/
2014-12-23 20:53 <osjenkins> jjustincc: If a moap entry has EnableWhiteList but WhiteList == null, then properly block the request instead of throwing an exception.
2014-12-23 21:01 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between adjoining var regions often causes long viewer freeze or crash. Flying across borders sometimes crashes also. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-23 21:02 <AliciaRaven> justincc, i tried to reproduce that error a couple of days ago, couldnt get it to happen for me
2014-12-23 21:03 <justincc> the moap one or the broader teleport between var regions?
2014-12-23 21:03 <AliciaRaven> teleport one with var regions, i didnt have any prims, i was suspecting it was the veiwer chocking on terrain data overload
2014-12-23 21:04 <justincc> shouldn't be the case with current default terrain approach, which only sends the terrain patches in view
2014-12-23 21:04 <justincc> AliciaRaven: did you ever see the error?
2014-12-23 21:04 <AliciaRaven> no
2014-12-23 21:05 <justincc> I doubt this moap issue is really it but who knows.  We'll find out soon I'm sure
2014-12-23 21:05 <AliciaRaven> didnt have any moap tho
2014-12-23 21:06 <AliciaRaven> yep, when i saw you had said u didnt think the moap was the issue i thought id just let you know i had tried it
2014-12-23 21:06 <justincc> 
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2014-12-23 22:19 <osmantis> Bug #7396:04 Recording of stats triggers bad hardware addres length message on console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7396 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2014-12-23 22:23 <osmantis> Bug #7396:04 Recording of stats triggers bad hardware addres length message on console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7396 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-23 22:34 <diva> why do objects deleted inworld end up in our inventory Trash?!
2014-12-23 22:43 <diva> oh man, I never noticed that config var UseTrashOnDelete. wth?
2014-12-23 22:44 <diva> definitely don't want that!
2014-12-23 22:44 <nebadon_laptop> isnt that just mimicking SL behavior?
2014-12-23 22:46 <nebadon_laptop> where would you send it to diva?
2014-12-23 22:47 <diva> no where! why on earth would you want trash in your inventory that doesn't come from your inventory?
2014-12-23 22:47 <nebadon_laptop> what if you accidently delete something
2014-12-23 22:47 <nebadon_laptop> that happens alot
2014-12-23 22:47 <nebadon_laptop> please dont disable that on encitragrid
2014-12-23 22:47 <nebadon_laptop> that could be super bad
2014-12-23 22:48 <nebadon_laptop> cant tell you how many times ive accidently deleted something I didnt have in inventory
2014-12-23 22:48 <diva> isn't there undo?
2014-12-23 22:49 <nebadon_laptop> no
2014-12-23 22:49 <nebadon_laptop> inface the opensim undo is garbage
2014-12-23 22:49 <nebadon_laptop> i suggest against ever invoking it
2014-12-23 22:49 <nebadon_laptop> unless you like even more destruction
2014-12-23 22:50 <diva> there should be a virtual trash bin inworld, then
2014-12-23 22:51 <nebadon_laptop> yea i suppose that could work
2014-12-23 22:52 <diva> I don't want to polute the users databse with stuff that belongs to the regions. I just deleted one of Bengt's tracks, and got a gazillion assets posted to the users' asset server, straight to the Trash folder.
2014-12-23 22:52 <danbanner> set the stuff temp
2014-12-23 22:53 <diva> oh yeah?
2014-12-23 22:53 <diva> let me try that
2014-12-23 22:53 <danbanner> takes like a minute or so and vanishes
2014-12-23 22:53 <diva> just mark it temp without deleting it?
2014-12-23 22:54 <danbanner> yup
2014-12-23 22:57 <diva> temp objects disappear just like that?
2014-12-23 22:57 <danbanner> yes
2014-12-23 22:57 <diva> this one hasn't yet...
2014-12-23 22:57 <danbanner> if they didnt my sl inventory would have like 10 million bullet prims
2014-12-23 22:58 <diva> oh there you go
2014-12-23 22:59 <diva> but this is not the right way of doing this. We need to have a way of deleting stuff from inworld without it ending up in our inventory. I'll think of how to implement a virtual dump... 
2014-12-23 23:00 <danbanner> maybe a console thingy?
2014-12-23 23:00 <diva> some ppl don't have console access
2014-12-23 23:02 <diva> I'm cringing when I think of this person on the Encitra grid who's importing Collada models in bulk and may end up deleting many of them manually. It's going to polute the users asset database, I really don't want that. I went to great lengths to separate the regions storage from the users storage
2014-12-23 23:13 <LiruCookies> diva: It goes to trash in SL too, but in SL you can use singularity's estroy feature (if you toss an object to an impossible altitude, it ceases to exist on SL, but not on opensim)
2014-12-23 23:14 <diva> where is that destroy  feature, Liru?
2014-12-23 23:15 <LiruCookies> You need to enable it in system, it's power user, and then it's buried in tools
2014-12-23 23:15 <LiruCookies> Erm
2014-12-23 23:15 <LiruCookies> pie menu tools
2014-12-23 23:16 <diva> where is it in System? I can't find it.
2014-12-23 23:16 <diva> Is it called Destroy?
2014-12-23 23:16 <LiruCookies> Enable power user functionality
2014-12-23 23:16 <LiruCookies> like I said, it's power user
2014-12-23 23:17 <LiruCookies> It's two checkboxes
2014-12-23 23:17 <diva> I see
2014-12-23 23:18 <LiruCookies> It's a little silly, a remnant of Ascent.
2014-12-23 23:18 <diva> well, that destroy feature is definitely useful! and it doesn't feel like only power users wouls need it.
2014-12-23 23:19 <diva> so in SL that sends the object to stratosphere?
2014-12-23 23:19 <diva> and that makes it disappear without passing through the user's inventory?
2014-12-23 23:20 <LiruCookies> It sends the object to max float, which in SL destroys it, but in opensim it just makes it unreachable and you'd have to remove itvia other means.
2014-12-23 23:22 <LiruCookies> max float high, not a vector of max float
2014-12-23 23:23 <diva> would it be possible to add that Destroy option to the pie menu near Delete by default?
2014-12-23 23:23 <LiruCookies> explode is the one I prefer, it creates a cool effect ad sets them temporary
2014-12-23 23:24 <LiruCookies> If there's room, perhaps.
2014-12-23 23:24 <diva> oh yeah?
2014-12-23 23:24 <diva> explode is also an option there?
2014-12-23 23:24 <LiruCookies> right next to destroy
2014-12-23 23:24 <LiruCookies> It sets the object physical and temporary and unlinks it
2014-12-23 23:25 <diva> hmm it did that but it didn't do the effect :)
2014-12-23 23:26 <LiruCookies> create an object of a couple prims overlapping, or a house, and it'll look nice.
2014-12-23 23:28 <diva> I can add support for destroy in opensim, but it's only worth it if you make it more visible. No one will be able to find this option!
2014-12-23 23:30 <smxy> I hate to suggest this, but ... is that option something that should have a confirm/deny popup, with a warning that it's unreversible, when selected?
2014-12-23 23:30 <smxy> To protect users from themselves.
2014-12-23 23:30 <LiruCookies> That's why it has a confirm
2014-12-23 23:30 <smxy> oh, it does? ok
2014-12-23 23:31 <LiruCookies> i mean to even enable it
2014-12-23 23:31 <smxy> Oh, I meant whenever it's used.
2014-12-23 23:31 <LiruCookies> That'd be rather annoying to existing users using it already
2014-12-23 23:33 <LiruCookies> There's also permanent delete, I think
2014-12-23 23:35 <LiruCookies> unless I made it ignorable
2014-12-23 23:38 <diva> hmm, maybe I'll just implement a virtual dumpster module. It will solve all these UI issues.
2014-12-23 23:39 <smxy> That would be very neat, diva.
2014-12-23 23:40 <LiruCookies> A *giggle* garbage collector?
2014-12-23 23:40 <diva> Yeah :)
2014-12-23 23:40 <smxy> Especially if it actuuly appears in-world as a dumpster. :)
2014-12-23 23:40 <diva> it could :)
2014-12-23 23:44 <justinccAfk> nebadon_laptop: mesh as transmitted by OpenSimulator has various levels of detail, right?
2014-12-23 23:45 <nebadon_laptop> it does
2014-12-23 23:45 <dahlia> justincc: as far as I know the viewer gets the whole asset regardless of if it asks only for a specific LOD
2014-12-23 23:45 <justincc> Going to be identical to http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mesh_and_LOD right?
2014-12-23 23:45 <justincc> dahlia: ok, yeah, that's what I would have thought
2014-12-23 23:46 <justincc> I'm not aware of any mechanism for gradual transmit, unlike jpeg2000
2014-12-23 23:46 <nebadon_laptop> yea it doesnt work like that
2014-12-23 23:46 <nebadon_laptop> its not about gradual loading
2014-12-23 23:47 <nebadon_laptop> its about how much content is rendered at any one time
2014-12-23 23:47 <dahlia> in SL supposedly it can ask for a specific LOD
2014-12-23 23:47 <nebadon_laptop> by distance
2014-12-23 23:47 <nebadon_laptop> you generally don't see it load by LOD though
2014-12-23 23:47 <nebadon_laptop> you dont see things gradually load
2014-12-23 23:47 <dahlia> but Im not sure they ever implemented that
2014-12-23 23:47 <nebadon_laptop> usually it wont load until all 4 are retreived
2014-12-23 23:47 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: right, it's just a distance kind of thing?
2014-12-23 23:47 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2014-12-23 23:48 <nebadon_laptop> so your not overworking your video card
2014-12-23 23:48 <dahlia> LOD is area of the screen, not distance
2014-12-23 23:48 <nebadon_laptop> rendering things that are 100m away in full detail
2014-12-23 23:48 <justincc> dahlia: are of the screen taken up by the object?
2014-12-23 23:48 <dahlia> yes
2014-12-23 23:48 <justincc> area
2014-12-23 23:48 <justincc> so a big object could still be rendered at a higher LOD than a smaller object at the same distance?
2014-12-23 23:48 <dahlia> yes
2014-12-23 23:49 <justincc> ok, thanks
2014-12-23 23:49 <dahlia> projection makes distance affect it but its based on area
2014-12-23 23:52 <diva> justincc one of my students found an interesting performance thing  related to the login spike. Many things contribute to it, but one of the strongest variables is the size of the user's inventory. Is this consistent with your measurements?
2014-12-23 23:53 <diva> we also found that a heavy scene slows that inventory effect down
2014-12-23 23:54 <diva> and that's because the viewer sends inventory download requests only during idle cycles, so if it's busy rendering complicated scenes, it has less idle cycles => less inventory requests coming out way
2014-12-23 23:55 <justincc> diva: I didn't see that much during oscc.  But there's certain a lot of fruitless requesting going on, it seems by HG to folders only accessible on the home grid
2014-12-23 23:55 <justincc> diva: interesting
2014-12-23 23:55 <justincc> Some viewers seem to do a lot of inventory requesting even though they should theoretically have it cached.  I have heard in the past that Firestorm had to request the whole thing to resolve some AO references, but don't know how uptodate that info is.  Certainly a pain point atm, with http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054, for instance
2014-12-23 23:56 <diva> we're now experimenting with a few things to tame this, or at least to put bounds on it, so that it's more under control of the server
2014-12-23 23:56 <justincc> on the viewer side?
2014-12-23 23:57 <diva> no, server side
2014-12-23 23:57 <dahlia> I notice when I log in to my grid my viewer AO can take a couple minutes to activate
2014-12-23 23:57 <diva> we can' really control what the viewers do, not all of them anyway
2014-12-23 23:58 <dahlia> isnt the http inventory protocol designed such that the entire inventory could be downloaded in a single request?
2014-12-23 23:58 <justincc> diva: most of the activity is get, which I thought would be best to hand off directly to the service.  But then one needs perhaps to solve the problem of distributing capability url setup
2014-12-23 23:59 <diva> the fact that viewers go nuts on inventory requests on empty-ish scenes is really... well, Lidenista
2014-12-23 23:59 <diva> justincc yes we could
2014-12-23 23:59 <dahlia> lol "Lidenista"
2014-12-23 23:59 <diva> but we would still need to get those requests under control on the inventory server, or it may crash
2014-12-23 23:59 <justincc> diva: is that what you're experimenting with?  Or other stuff as well?
2014-12-24 00:00 <cmickeyb> i'm assuming you're still going through the simulator for inventory?
2014-12-24 00:00 <diva> for now we're just experimenting with different ways of curbing the viewer's enthusiasm
2014-12-24 00:00 <diva> yeah
2014-12-24 00:00 <diva> it's 2 orthogonal issues, really
2014-12-24 00:00 <cmickeyb> have you played around with moving inventory directly to robust
2014-12-24 00:00 <cmickeyb> using the caps entry?
2014-12-24 00:00 <diva> I did, and it didn't go well when I tried it
2014-12-24 00:00 <diva> I don't remember why
2014-12-24 00:00 <diva> it's been a while
2014-12-24 00:00 <cmickeyb> we had an implementation of inventory for simian that moved it off the simulator
2014-12-24 00:00 <cmickeyb> it was a HUGE improvement
2014-12-24 00:00 <justincc> 
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2014-12-24 00:00 <diva> yeah that's definitely a good thing
2014-12-24 00:01 <cmickeyb> apache could handle the inventory requests *much* faster than opensim
2014-12-24 00:01 <dahlia> can robust do that?
2014-12-24 00:01 <diva> but it won't solve everything. We really need to throttle these requests, and put the server in charge of its own performance, rather than letting it be exposed to the moods of the viewer
2014-12-24 00:02 <justincc> diva: yes
2014-12-24 00:02 <cmickeyb> i though diva did it before
2014-12-24 00:02 <dahlia> Id like to try it on my gridlet
2014-12-24 00:02 <dahlia> instructions anywhere?
2014-12-24 00:02 <justincc> diva: it is limited to 2 threads atm but not particularly throttled otherwise.  And there's a bug somewhere that simply stops any inventory requests being fulfilled sometimes, it seems
2014-12-24 00:02 <justincc> that's what mantis 7054 is basically about
2014-12-24 00:02 <diva> it can dahlia, but when I tried (without any CAPs, just plain URL) it didn't go well. Unfortunately I don't remember what the issue was. I should have my student try it again
2014-12-24 00:03 <dahlia> diva: extra credit for fixing :D
2014-12-24 00:03 <diva> yeah :)
2014-12-24 00:03 <cmickeyb> i can try to dig up the code we used for simian... that might help with at least seeing the requests
2014-12-24 00:04 <diva> maybe at that time the Http server lib we use wasn't good enough
2014-12-24 00:04 <dahlia> but I thought the http inventory protocol had some feature where it could get the whole thing in one request
2014-12-24 00:04 <justincc> dahlia: not afaik
2014-12-24 00:04 <dahlia> I think a Linden told me that once
2014-12-24 00:04 <diva> I don't think it does dahlia
2014-12-24 00:05 <diva> they may have experimented with it. That part is littered with unused CAPs
2014-12-24 00:05 <cmickeyb>  i have the simian php code if you want it
2014-12-24 00:05 <dahlia> maybe LL's V3 code has it?
2014-12-24 00:06 <cmickeyb> i haven't worked on it in quite awhile though
2014-12-24 00:06 <cmickeyb> bit rot
2014-12-24 00:07 <diva> point me to it
2014-12-24 00:08 <cmickeyb> https://github.com/intelvwi/simiangrid/tree/offloadinventory
2014-12-24 00:08 <justincc> diva: what are you trying fo inv slowdown?  Throttling request responses?
2014-12-24 00:08 <cmickeyb> https://github.com/intelvwi/simiangrid/tree/offloadinventory/GridPublic/lib
2014-12-24 00:08 <cmickeyb> you want Class.WebFetchInvDesc.php
2014-12-24 00:08 <diva> I told her to try a few things, starting with the simplest one: reduce the number of threads to 1
2014-12-24 00:08 <justincc> 
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2014-12-24 00:09 <diva> then insert an extra delay between requests, just to see if that changes things noticeably
2014-12-24 00:09 <justincc> it's still a mystery why the viewer has to request so much
2014-12-24 00:09 <diva> ultimately the right way of doing it might be to assign each viewer to one specific worker thread so that no viewer gets requests served in parallel
2014-12-24 00:09 <justincc> in theory, it should have it all cached pretty much
2014-12-24 00:10 <diva> yeah
2014-12-24 00:10 <diva> the effect of te viewer's mood swing is really noticeable on an empty scene
2014-12-24 00:10 <justincc> diva, LiruCookies: is this sometihng singualrity does or is it better behaved
2014-12-24 00:10 <justincc> ?
2014-12-24 00:10 <diva> I looked in Singu code only
2014-12-24 00:10 <diva> and that's what it is doing
2014-12-24 00:10 <diva> I don't know about the others, but I suspect they do the same thing
2014-12-24 00:10 <justincc> why doesn't it use its cached data?
2014-12-24 00:11 <diva> it's something under the idle() function
2014-12-24 00:11 <diva> oh
2014-12-24 00:11 <diva> that
2014-12-24 00:11 <diva> I haven't looked at that
2014-12-24 00:11 <diva> probably should
2014-12-24 00:12 <justincc> if one slows down the rate of server response, you get more complains from users with big inventories
2014-12-24 00:12 <justincc> really, there should probably be an inventory limit, though that would get complaints too
2014-12-24 00:12 <justincc> and probably doesn't help much if the viewer is requesting pretty much everything on every login
2014-12-24 00:12 <diva> If you login an avie with a mostly empty inventory, the spike is on the order of 4 CPUsec/90sec. With a large inventory it goes up to 20 CPUsec/90sec
2014-12-24 00:13 <justincc> although on my own tests with a viewer, it did use the cache, but then I probably wasn't representative
2014-12-24 00:13 <diva> on a heavy scene, this effect is damped
2014-12-24 00:13 <justincc> so it doesn't just balloon up after scene download?
2014-12-24 00:13 <diva> no, to my surprise
2014-12-24 00:13 <justincc> huh
2014-12-24 00:14 <diva> maybe 90 sec isn't enough, that's one thing I told her to look at. Buton the other hand, it may be that even after the scene downloads, the viewer still has to render it, so it has less idle cycles
2014-12-24 00:15 <diva> the viewer is a funny piece of software..,
2014-12-24 00:15 <justincc> lol
2014-12-24 00:15 <diva> it's moetly single threaded
2014-12-24 00:16 <diva> so they end up sneaking functionality here and there...
2014-12-24 00:16 <justincc> my feeling is that this is normal for game dev.  Only fools write massively multi-threaded code
2014-12-24 00:16 <diva> they're doing almost the opposite of what we do :)
2014-12-24 00:16 <justincc> yeah :)
2014-12-24 00:17 <justincc> I wouldn't be surprised if the Linden Lab server is similar
2014-12-24 00:18 <justincc> the nature of certain stats suggests it, like incorporating script time into frame time
2014-12-24 00:18 <diva> in our tests, we were looking at 3 dependent variables: scene complexity, avatar complexity and inventory size. Scene complexity doesn't seem to be the issue; it looks like we are doing a great job in throttling that
2014-12-24 00:19 <justincc> mic's adaptive throttles start off very low and build up
2014-12-24 00:19 <justincc> diva: tried anything with different client throttle settings?
2014-12-24 00:19 <diva> justincc, no, just what comes out of the box
2014-12-24 00:19 <justincc> ok
2014-12-24 00:19 <justincc> when we moved to manual throttles on OSCC everybody complimented us on just how quickly the scene downloaded...
2014-12-24 00:20 <diva> avatar complexity and inventory size seems to be the issue
2014-12-24 00:20 <cmickeyb> the throttles shouldn't affect inventory
2014-12-24 00:20 <cmickeyb> unless you're using UDP-based inventory
2014-12-24 00:20 <justincc> if inventory only loads when viewer is not busy it would
2014-12-24 00:20 <diva> no, it's http inventory
2014-12-24 00:21 <cmickeyb> how about doing a measurement of how long it takes the scene to load with different kinds of throttles set
2014-12-24 00:23 <cmickeyb> the throttles certainly slow down scene loading... by intention. but we can bump the initial starting point
2014-12-24 00:23 <justincc> to where?  Some proportion of client request or an absolute?
2014-12-24 00:24 <diva> what I'm after is the issue of logins affecting the experience for everyone else
2014-12-24 00:24 <justincc> ,/me nods
2014-12-24 00:24 <cmickeyb> thats only throttles if there is some weird resource contention
2014-12-24 00:24 <justincc> so, during oscc I did a lot of work to throttle many things because of this issue
2014-12-24 00:24 <cmickeyb> which seems to be happening with other http requests (HG)
2014-12-24 00:24 <justincc> diva: however, it's practically impossible to stop login having some affect on measured frame time
2014-12-24 00:24 <diva> it looks like the issue really is inventory, for the most part, and also appearance
2014-12-24 00:25 <justincc> diva: I looked at approaches such as boosting thread priority, but this was super-unwieldy and practically impossible under mono/linux at the time
2014-12-24 00:26 <diva> jusincc, my inclination would be to slow down inventory requests in a proportion that is inverse to the number of users in the sim
2014-12-24 00:26 <justincc> cmickeyb: but UDP/TCP should be pretty damn separate
2014-12-24 00:26 <justincc> diva: are you doing this on 0.8.0.3 or current-ish master?
2014-12-24 00:26 <cmickeyb> they should be... but you seem to keep connecting them
2014-12-24 00:26 <justincc> cmickeyb: I do?
2014-12-24 00:26 <diva> so if no one is there, we can serve requests without limit
2014-12-24 00:26 <diva> current master justincc
2014-12-24 00:27 <justincc> diva: ok
2014-12-24 00:27 <cmickeyb> when HG asset requests/inventory are having problems, then disabling adaptive throttles fixes it?
2014-12-24 00:27 <diva> but if people are there, we need to slow down
2014-12-24 00:27 <justincc> cmickeyb: no!
2014-12-24 00:27 <cmickeyb> ?
2014-12-24 00:27 <justincc> cmickeyb: never said that!
2014-12-24 00:27 <cmickeyb> ok... then i'm misunderstanding what you did say... 
2014-12-24 00:27 <cmickeyb> cause that's what it sounded like 
2014-12-24 00:28 <justincc> in oscc testing, we saw a specific problem where adaptive throttles would keep adjusting downwards due to stream of lost packets
2014-12-24 00:28 <justincc> this is entirely different from hg asset request issues
2014-12-24 00:28 <diva> cmickeyb interferences between http and udp can happen because... viewer
2014-12-24 00:28 <cmickeyb> diva, different issue
2014-12-24 00:28 <diva> k
2014-12-24 00:28 <justincc> cmickeyb: I have no connection between the two.  I'm sorry if there was a misunderstanding
2014-12-24 00:29 <cmickeyb> ok... cause thats the "solution" that others are trying when the HG logins go crazy
2014-12-24 00:29 <cmickeyb> and...
2014-12-24 00:29 <cmickeyb> they seem to work
2014-12-24 00:29 <cmickeyb> (changing adaptive throttles)
2014-12-24 00:29 <justincc> cmickeyb: right, because we have definitely observed issues in some circumstances, so it's a "thing to try", at the very least to eliminate it
2014-12-24 00:29 <cmickeyb> and if they really do work... then there is some connection
2014-12-24 00:29 <justincc> if there actually is a connection, then that's different, but it's not something I have observed myself
2014-12-24 00:29 <cmickeyb> which strongly implies resource contention
2014-12-24 00:30 <justincc> personally, I don't think this is going to be the issue.  But it's impossible to say without actual investigation or throwing things at the wall
2014-12-24 00:30 <cmickeyb> where resource could be threads or network connections or locks or who knows what
2014-12-24 00:31 <cmickeyb> ok... then I *strongly* suggest figuring out why asset access (in the HG case) and login inventories are hurting system-wide performance... fix that first
2014-12-24 00:31 <justincc> cmickeyb: I don't believe it is
2014-12-24 00:31 <justincc> in my case, we observed the udp issues at low concurrency and some time after login
2014-12-24 00:32 <cmickeyb> because the messages about acks coming in too late implies that something is causing the acks (which are the key to releasing the throttls) to be delivered too slowly
2014-12-24 00:32 <cmickeyb> which may very well have been the "right" behavior if your connection was buggy or high latency
2014-12-24 00:32 <dahlia> I do believe asset accesses affect system performance
2014-12-24 00:32 <justincc> 
ACTION gives up

2014-12-24 00:32 <cmickeyb> but we're seeing those problems in the mantis entries connected with the sim-wide performance right now
2014-12-24 00:33 <cmickeyb> the "late acks" messages
2014-12-24 00:33 <justincc> yes, but this is not connected with what I observed for myself in oscc tests
2014-12-24 00:33 <cmickeyb> sigh
2014-12-24 00:33 <justincc> these other reports are just observations from other people, not the original issue
2014-12-24 00:33 <dahlia> perhaps not because oscc had asset requests going thru robust
2014-12-24 00:33 <justincc> if they're distracting then ignore them
2014-12-24 00:33 <dahlia> totally different system
2014-12-24 00:33 <justincc> yes
2014-12-24 00:34 <justincc> there are, as usual, differences
2014-12-24 00:34 <dahlia> thats a pretty big difference
2014-12-24 00:34 <justincc> yes, which is why I would not look so closely at those reports on this specific issue with adaptive throttles
2014-12-24 00:35 <cmickeyb> completely agree that these are different systems
2014-12-24 00:35 <cmickeyb> and... what is being observed is that when people try your suggestion of turning off adaptive throttles, they see improvements
2014-12-24 00:35 <cmickeyb> which i completely don't understand
2014-12-24 00:35 <cmickeyb> unless... 
2014-12-24 00:35 <justincc> so there could be two separate problems
2014-12-24 00:35 <dahlia> Id think everything would suffer, even the UDP stacks, when asset requests queue up
2014-12-24 00:36 <cmickeyb> right... but why would changing the adaptive throttle setting *seem* (as in observed behivor, not formal testing) to fix the problem
2014-12-24 00:36 <justincc> in oscc, we observed this only happening to certain connections, seemingly at random
2014-12-24 00:36 <dahlia> (assuming the sim fulfills viewer requests)
2014-12-24 00:36 <justincc> it was not related to system stress
2014-12-24 00:36 <justincc> as far as I could tell
2014-12-24 00:36 <cmickeyb> that's what i cant figure out in looking through the code
2014-12-24 00:36 <cmickeyb> there is no way changing that setting should help
2014-12-24 00:37 <justincc> cmickeyb: I wouldn't trust those reports so umch.  This is why I want stat traces, which will actually show what the system is experiencing
2014-12-24 00:37 <cmickeyb> agreed again *emphatically* agreed
2014-12-24 00:54 <justincc> ok rest time, will be around a bit again tomorrow
2014-12-24 00:54 <justincc> 
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2014-12-24 01:48 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between adjoining var regions often causes long viewer freeze or crash. Flying across borders sometimes crashes also. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-24 02:19 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between adjoining var regions often causes long viewer freeze or crash. Flying across borders sometimes crashes also. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-24 17:54 <operator1> hi *
2014-12-24 17:54 <operator1> hi smxy 
2014-12-24 18:18 <smxy> hi
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2014-12-24 21:02 <dahlia> looks like http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/ got hacked
2014-12-24 21:09 <nebadon_laptop> heh the life of a wordpress website
2014-12-24 21:09 <nebadon_laptop> i hate wordpress
2014-12-24 21:10 <nebadon_laptop> if you don't do updates every 15 minutes your going to get hacked
2014-12-24 21:15 <Plugh> I wonder how much of the content of the site was compromised.
2014-12-24 21:17 <dahlia> backups ftw
2014-12-24 21:17 <dahlia> and tested restore FTW!!
2014-12-24 21:17 <Plugh> yup
2014-12-24 21:17 <dahlia> backup is worthless if restore doesnt work
2014-12-24 21:17 <Plugh> bbl. Going to the local mall to be amused by how many people are running around the place doing last minute shopping.
2014-12-24 21:18 <dahlia> have fun :)
2014-12-24 21:18 <Plugh> thanks. :)
2014-12-24 21:52 <nebadon_laptop> I just spoke with Maria
2014-12-24 21:52 <nebadon_laptop> apparantly Dreamhost upgraded the website and then it got hacked
2014-12-24 21:52 <nebadon_laptop> they are working to fix it now
2014-12-24 21:52 <nebadon_laptop> i dont think anything is lost
2014-12-24 22:04 <Wanderer_42> during the upgrade ?  or after the upgrade. The upgrade should prevent hacking. Or did the attackers found a new expolit ?
2014-12-24 22:14 <cmickeyb> Nini apparently supports case insensitive access, is there a particular reason why we shouldn't use that? I got burned on an "Enabled" vs "enabled" config option today 
2014-12-24 22:15 <cmickeyb> thats one place where there is quite a bit of inconsistency across the opensim code base
2014-12-24 22:15 <cmickeyb> for configuration case
2014-12-24 22:28 <nebadon_laptop> Wanderer_42 apparantly after the upgrade
2014-12-24 22:29 <nebadon_laptop> cmickeyb i have no problem with that 
2014-12-24 22:29 <nebadon_laptop> im pretty sure true or True or false or False works
2014-12-24 22:29 <nebadon_laptop> so might as well make it consistent case-insenstive across the board 
2014-12-24 22:30 <Plugh> cmickeyb: Was that value specified on the left or right side of =?
2014-12-24 22:33 <nebadon_laptop> its on the right
2014-12-24 22:34 <cmickeyb> left side
2014-12-24 22:34 <Plugh> cmickeyb: That's what I thought.
2014-12-24 22:34 <cmickeyb> enabled = true or True is fine
2014-12-24 22:34 <cmickeyb> Enabled = true differs from enabled = true
2014-12-24 22:35 <nebadon_laptop> oh
2014-12-24 22:35 <cmickeyb> so [webstats] requires 'enabled'
2014-12-24 22:35 <cmickeyb> NOT
2014-12-24 22:35 <cmickeyb> 'Enabled'
2014-12-24 22:35 <nebadon_laptop> ya I think thats always been case sensitive on that side hasnt it?
2014-12-24 22:35 <cmickeyb> it has
2014-12-24 22:35 <Plugh> yea, I think they keys are case sensitive. The keys are strings in the code.
2014-12-24 22:35 <cmickeyb> but reading the nini docs
2014-12-24 22:35 <cmickeyb> we can make them case insensitive
2014-12-24 22:36 <cmickeyb> do we need case sensitive keys?
2014-12-24 22:36 <Plugh> Is Nini actually used or is it just a library routine (ie. in libOMV) that is handling them?
2014-12-24 22:36 <cmickeyb> its the nini config
2014-12-24 22:36 <cmickeyb> config.GetBoolean('enabled')
2014-12-24 22:38 <Plugh> There is a definite lack of consistency re: capitalization on that word in OpenSim.ini.example
2014-12-24 22:38 <cmickeyb> yeah
2014-12-24 22:38 <cmickeyb> could either live with it, update the keys we make to ensure consistency, or see if we can make key lookups case insensitive
2014-12-24 22:39 <Plugh> You found there is a config setting for Nini that determines if keys are case sensitive or not?
2014-12-24 22:40 <cmickeyb> http://nini.sourceforge.net/Manual/NiniManual-4.htm
2014-12-24 22:40 <cmickeyb> although it says "values"
2014-12-24 22:40 <cmickeyb> but it doesn't do any lookups on values
2014-12-24 22:40 <cmickeyb> i just haven't tested
2014-12-24 22:41 <cmickeyb> if no one knows of case sensitivity issues, then it would be worth testing it out
2014-12-24 22:41 <cmickeyb> and it sounds like no one is immediately screaming that case insensitivity would be a bad idea
2014-12-24 22:41 <cmickeyb> so i'll poke around & see what i find
2014-12-24 22:42 <Plugh> hm... it says how to use it but doesn't mention anything about for keys if their reference to values means right side.
2014-12-24 22:43 <cmickeyb> Plugh, correct... i'm not entirely sure what it means
2014-12-24 22:43 <cmickeyb> i'll set it & see if it works
2014-12-24 22:43 <cmickeyb> for left hand side
2014-12-24 22:43 <Plugh> OK
2014-12-24 22:44 <cmickeyb> nebadon_laptop, i inserted a random packet dropper
2014-12-24 22:44 <cmickeyb> 1% rate
2014-12-24 22:44 <Plugh> I ran across another parsing issue if you had "value1, value2" (note the space after the comma). The extra space would make it not see the second value.
2014-12-24 22:44 <cmickeyb> does a pretty nice job of killing the throttles even at 1% drop rate
2014-12-24 22:45 <cmickeyb> should help test :-)
2014-12-24 22:45 <nebadon_laptop> great
2014-12-24 22:45 <cmickeyb> Plugh, seriously? as in you can't have a list as a value with spaces? what about wrapping the line in double quotes?
2014-12-24 22:46 <Plugh> I don't know if it would have worked if it was in double quotes. I should do further testing on that.
2014-12-24 22:46 <Plugh> the code should grab and process everything to the right of the = until it hits EOL or ;
2014-12-24 22:47 <Plugh> but it probably should stop at ; or // style comments unless the right side of equal was a number of something in quotes
2014-12-24 22:47 <Plugh> um... should not stop
2014-12-24 22:48 <Plugh> cmickeyb: I first noticed the issue when setting the permissions modules to be used.
2014-12-24 22:49 <cmickeyb> i just know that i end up putting double quotes around most values
2014-12-24 22:50 <Plugh> That might be a wise thing to do
2014-12-24 23:00 <Wanderer_42> http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/ is back
2014-12-24 23:02 <Plugh> Almost time for dinner. bbl.
2014-12-24 23:05 <dahlia> 
ACTION sCREamS AbOuT cASe seNSItiViTy

2014-12-24 23:07 <Wanderer_42> lOokS coOL, i SeE nO pRoblem  :-)
2014-12-24 23:14 <cmickeyb> :-)
2014-12-24 23:15 <dahlia> maybe it should be changed to XML *hides*
2014-12-24 23:29 <Wanderer_42> Today there are some idiots bored at christmas. jabber is down because of an dos-attack
2014-12-24 23:35 <dahlia> 
ACTION blames the sony/north korea feud

2014-12-24 23:38 <dahlia> for the drama deprived among us: https://plus.google.com/u/0/106115943375300299121/posts/Pf3BpcV96Ej?cfem=1
2014-12-24 23:49 <Wanderer_42> friendly atmospehre there. better than cinema :-)
2014-12-25 00:07 <Wanderer_42> Doesn't matter. No police around.
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2014-12-25 04:53 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between adjoining var regions often causes long viewer freeze or crash. Flying across borders sometimes crashes also. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-25 05:19 <smxy> .
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2014-12-25 20:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #3937 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-12-25 20:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3937: SUCCESS in 9 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3937/
2014-12-25 20:28 <osjenkins> * diva: Update libomv to grab latest bug fixes for Collada upload.
2014-12-25 20:28 <osjenkins> * diva: Revert "Update libomv to grab latest bug fixes for Collada upload."
2014-12-25 20:28 <osjenkins> * diva: Updated libomv to grab the latest bug fixes in Collada upload
2014-12-25 20:28 <osjenkins> * diva: Allow for richer semantics of object derez. Specifically, allow the existence of region modules that do other kinds of garbage collection. Instead of placing deleted objects in the user's Trash folder, or deleting them immediately (UseTrashOnDelete = false), a module may decide to take garbage collection under its control. For example, it may place derezzed objects in a certain area inworld and delete them later.
2014-12-26 04:40 <osmantis> Bug #7191:04 [BULLETSIM] exception with linkset on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7191 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-12-26 16:13 <nebadon_laptop> http://www.cyark.org/projects/
2014-12-26 17:21 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Delegate for TriggerOnNewInventoryItemUploadComplete failed - continuing. Document does not have a root element 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2014-12-27 01:50 <osmantis> Bug #7191:04 [BULLETSIM] exception with linkset on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7191 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-12-27 04:49 <nebadon_laptop> heads up, OpenSimulator no longer is able to be compiled on new Mono
2014-12-27 04:49 <nebadon_laptop> on Mono 3.99.0
2014-12-27 04:51 <nebadon_laptop> https://github.com/mono/mono/commit/a1aced8ab22c1dabd25542fe808459f332039ee9
2014-12-27 04:51 <nebadon_laptop> lol "
2014-12-27 04:51 <nebadon_laptop> Sorry, we could not display the entire diff because too many files (666) changed.
2014-12-27 04:51 <nebadon_laptop> "
2014-12-27 07:24 <smxy> nebadon_laptop: how trhey heck did they get from 3.10 to 3.99 so fast?
2014-12-27 07:24 <smxy> how the* heck ...
2014-12-27 07:25 <nebadon_laptop> they are prepping for 4.0
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2014-12-27 16:26 <osmantis> Bug #6466:04 collisions only register on root prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6466 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-27 17:26 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: That Cyark site is interesting. Hm... a mesh copy of Mount Rushmore would be interesting to have in a grid.
2014-12-27 17:27 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: I was just reading the message about the changes to mono
2014-12-27 18:13 <misterblue> What versions of Mono are the the usual Linux distributions? If pretty much everyone can support 4.5, we should just move
2014-12-27 18:13 <misterblue> some distributions lag, though
2014-12-27 18:14 <nebadon_laptop> I think our minimum version right now is like 2.10.something
2014-12-27 18:14 <nebadon_laptop> I was definitley not suggesting we break away completely from older monos
2014-12-27 18:14 <nebadon_laptop> but I don't like the idea of being stuck on old mono either
2014-12-27 18:14 <nebadon_laptop> that would kill development
2014-12-27 18:15 <nebadon_laptop> anyone who thinks OpenSim runs good enough as it is, is not using it enough
2014-12-27 18:15 <nebadon_laptop> or maybe not using mono
2014-12-27 18:18 <nebadon_laptop> I would definitely like to see better parity of performance between .net and mono
2014-12-27 18:18 <nebadon_laptop> right now mono is quite terrible with the script engine
2014-12-27 18:18 <nebadon_laptop> timers and sleeps are just horrible
2014-12-27 18:19 <nebadon_laptop> and its very likely with the microsoft code integration that will eventually improve considerably with mono
2014-12-27 18:19 <nebadon_laptop> dahlia suggested it might be a bug, but its absolutely not
2014-12-27 18:20 <nebadon_laptop> Xamarin announced 2-3 months ago they were going to completely strip 4.0 profile as its to hard to maintain it and that 4.5 is superior
2014-12-27 18:20 <nebadon_laptop> 4.0 was short lived on windows as I recall too, though they never deprecated it completely
2014-12-27 18:21 <nebadon_laptop> it was probably never considered complete on mono either
2014-12-27 18:25 <smxy> At least a few of us need to be running on the latest Mono, so that if there are any issues, they are spotted and dealt with long before they become a problem for the masses.
2014-12-27 18:27 <nebadon_laptop> I suspect once a more optimized version of mono comes along which will definitely happen in 2015, the various flavors of linux will likely be quick to pick it up
2014-12-27 18:28 <nebadon_laptop> i suspect debian and some of the enterprise linux may not be so johnny on the spot, but you never know
2014-12-27 18:28 <nebadon_laptop> we shouldnt wait to long to decide, especially if older monos are capable of doing the same thing without the 4.0 profile
2014-12-27 18:28 <smxy> People *can* compile it too. It's hardly the end of the world.
2014-12-27 18:36 <misterblue> I believe very few are running complex sims on Windows.... there was a BulletSim bug a while back that just crashed on Windows but ran fine on Linux.... there just wasn't enough complaining
2014-12-27 18:36 <nebadon_laptop> yea
2014-12-27 18:36 <nebadon_laptop> I push linux pretty hard for opensimulator
2014-12-27 18:37 <nebadon_laptop> but i can tell you
2014-12-27 18:37 <nebadon_laptop> Xengine runs far better under windows
2014-12-27 18:37 <nebadon_laptop> its pretty terrible under mono
2014-12-27 18:37 <misterblue> true...
2014-12-27 18:40 <nebadon_laptop> that is mostly where i would like to see better parity between mono and .net
2014-12-27 18:40 <nebadon_laptop> its oceans apart right now
2014-12-27 18:40 <nebadon_laptop> Zonjas klein bottle generator is super solid under .net 
2014-12-27 18:40 <nebadon_laptop> it maybe gets about 2-3% complete in mono before it dies
2014-12-27 18:41 <nebadon_laptop> ive never seen it finish 100% in linux, infact I dont recall ever seeing it get more than about 10% before xengine just craps out
2014-12-27 20:47 <dahlia> "[10:25] <smxy> At least a few of us need to be running on the latest Mono, so that if there are any issues, they are spotted and dealt with long before they become a problem for the masses." 
2014-12-27 20:47 <dahlia> A few of us should run older mono so we dont forget how well it works
2014-12-27 20:48 <Plugh> Next mono 4.x will not have support for 2.0, 3.5, or 4
2014-12-27 20:48 <dahlia> and not just accept all the crap coming down the latest and greatest pipe
2014-12-27 20:48 <dahlia> Plugh: well then theres a lot of software out there that wont work in mono
2014-12-27 20:49 <Plugh> The commit doesn't say why it was done just that it was
2014-12-27 20:49 <dahlia> well I am not going to update all my systems
2014-12-27 20:52 <dahlia> misterblue: I use windows with opensim on my dev box, Ive not seen the bullet crash you mentioned
2014-12-27 20:54 <nebadon_laptop> compared to .net on windows mono does not run well at all
2014-12-27 20:55 <nebadon_laptop> not sure how that is a valid argument
2014-12-27 20:55 <dahlia> which argument?
2014-12-27 20:55 <nebadon_laptop> that older versions run better
2014-12-27 20:55 <nebadon_laptop> I just don't beleive that
2014-12-27 20:56 <dahlia> the newer ones use far more memory than the older in my tests
2014-12-27 20:56 <nebadon_laptop> its probably sgen
2014-12-27 20:56 <nebadon_laptop> i wonder if you switch to boehm if its better
2014-12-27 20:56 <dahlia> I tried boehm in the newer also
2014-12-27 20:57 <dahlia> just because the number is higher doesnt mean its better. They have been focusing on mobile for several years now
2014-12-27 20:57 <nebadon_laptop> for me memory is much lower, especially on osgrid plazas it was much lower on newer monos
2014-12-27 20:57 <nebadon_laptop> Wright Plaza used to consume way more memory
2014-12-27 20:58 <dahlia> I'd argue that the higher numbers *have* to be worse simply because they have fewer resouces to work on it
2014-12-27 20:58 <nebadon_laptop> well we can't stay on old mono forever
2014-12-27 20:58 <dahlia> for me memory is 2x higher
2014-12-27 20:58 <nebadon_laptop> thats not a realistic goal
2014-12-27 20:59 <nebadon_laptop> at some point not to far in the future
2014-12-27 20:59 <dahlia> if they cant compile it its either a bug in our stuff or theirs
2014-12-27 20:59 <nebadon_laptop> all the linux repos will be on newer mono
2014-12-27 20:59 <nebadon_laptop> i am pretty sure opensim is reliant on 4.0 profile
2014-12-27 20:59 <nebadon_laptop> which has been stripped
2014-12-27 20:59 <dahlia> debian is on 2.10
2014-12-27 20:59 <nebadon_laptop> they announced it months ago that this would happen
2014-12-27 21:00 <nebadon_laptop> they claim its to difficult to maintain it
2014-12-27 21:00 <nebadon_laptop> and that 4.5 is capable of everything 4.0 offers
2014-12-27 21:00 <dahlia> then compile it under 4.5 but dont force me to
2014-12-27 21:00 <dahlia> I am NOT upgrading
2014-12-27 21:01 <nebadon_laptop> im not suggesting we force everyone to upgrade
2014-12-27 21:01 <nebadon_laptop> but you forcing everyone to never upgrade ever agai
2014-12-27 21:01 <nebadon_laptop> i will not accept that as a solution either
2014-12-27 21:01 <dahlia> no I'm not. you can compile under whatever you want
2014-12-27 21:02 <nebadon_laptop> whatever its no wonder no one wants to work on this project, to be honest I am about ready to find something else to do myself, I honestly don't give a shit anymore
2014-12-27 21:36 <diva> Melanie_T ping
2014-12-27 21:39 <diva> Could you remind me if our config supports inclusion of ini files in specific directories. Like, all ini files in that directory, without having to specify them one by one
2014-12-27 21:42 <AliciaRaven> diva, do you mean from in another ini file like opensim.ini? if so then it does
2014-12-27 21:43 <AliciaRaven> Include-Name = "folder/*.ini"
2014-12-27 21:43 <AliciaRaven> or whatever
2014-12-27 21:43 <diva> oh yeah? It works with wild card?
2014-12-27 21:43 <AliciaRaven> yes
2014-12-27 21:43 <diva> oh cool
2014-12-27 21:43 <diva> that makes it easier to support 3rd party packages, then
2014-12-27 21:44 <diva> I really really need a package manager
2014-12-27 21:44 <diva> and I'm wondering of the best way of laying packages
2014-12-27 21:49 <AliciaRaven> cool, not something i have thought about, i do include other ini files so i can keep a default opensim.ini and custom ones like port.ini to make automating updates abit easier
2014-12-27 21:50 <diva> I do that too, but I call those a special name. I nver used the wild card
2014-12-27 21:51 <AliciaRaven> diva: same here, but i do know wildcard works, its used in OpenSimDefaults.ini on the last line, i just doubled checked lol
2014-12-27 21:52 <AliciaRaven> i dont always trust my memory so always good to check :)
2014-12-27 21:52 <diva> oh excellent!
2014-12-27 21:52 <diva> it looks like we're already prepared for 3rd party modules
2014-12-27 21:53 <dahlia> except for the documented API part :/
2014-12-27 21:54 <AliciaRaven> isnt the code the document? lol would be nice to have more comments tho
2014-12-27 21:54 <dahlia> well justin wants a documented API
2014-12-27 21:55 <dahlia> I agree it's probably a good idea to have one
2014-12-27 21:55 <diva> I wonder is the region module system also read modules from that direcory...
2014-12-27 21:55 <diva> if
2014-12-27 21:55 <dahlia> region modules use whatever anything else that uses the configs know about
2014-12-27 21:55 <dahlia> as far as I know
2014-12-27 21:55 <diva> ?
2014-12-27 21:56 <diva> I mean the dlls
2014-12-27 21:56 <diva> themselves
2014-12-27 21:56 <dahlia> oh
2014-12-27 21:56 <dahlia> no idea
2014-12-27 21:56 <dahlia> I thought dlls had to be in whatever dir the main exe runs from
2014-12-27 21:56 <dahlia> but I never looked to see if anything else would work
2014-12-27 21:58 <AliciaRaven> i link any region module confings in from opensim ini and have the dlls in the bin directory, ive never tried the auto detect method so i cant say if it works myself
2014-12-27 21:59 <dahlia> there are some system policies for dll inclustion but I dont know if they apply to the way opensim does extension modules
2014-12-27 22:00 <diva> It would be nice to have the 3rd party dlls in that other folder instead of in bin
2014-12-27 22:03 <diva> but I don't think we're supporting that
2014-12-27 22:06 <AliciaRaven> diva, has sl done anything about that position update bug in the viewer code you found?
2014-12-27 22:06 <diva> They marked it as major bug, took it into their maintenance system, and I haven't heard anything back
2014-12-27 22:07 <AliciaRaven> is the report still online, i was looking for it the other day but couldnt find it, i had forgot to bookmark it
2014-12-27 22:08 <diva> https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-7816
2014-12-27 22:08 <diva> it looks like they have some other internal issue tracking system
2014-12-27 22:09 <AliciaRaven> k thanks
2014-12-27 22:09 <diva> MAINT-4690
2014-12-27 22:10 <diva> whatever that means
2014-12-27 22:10 <diva> so it looks like we can indeed specify more folders for mono addins to look for dlls. Let me try
2014-12-27 22:28 <diva> it works!
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2014-12-28 01:47 <misterblue> dahlia, since you scared off Nebadon, what about viewers... what do you think of an X server-like 3d viewer?
2014-12-28 01:47 <dahlia> was it my fault?
2014-12-28 01:48 <dahlia> dunno what you mean by "X- server-like"
2014-12-28 01:49 <diva> misterblue, Melanie and I are planning to add a JS engine to Singularity, use the rendering engine as is, and transform all the UI into JS. Would you be interested in going this route?
2014-12-28 01:49 <misterblue> 'fault' is a subjective thing... :)
2014-12-28 01:49 <misterblue> but... viewer that displays 3d things...
2014-12-28 01:49 <diva> rather than bring this kind of content to the web briwsers, bring the web browser to the Linden viewer
2014-12-28 01:50 <misterblue> the X-server displays 2d frames... multiple clients connect to the server to display their 2d frame
2014-12-28 01:50 <misterblue> I was thinking about what it would take to make a viewer where a SL avatar could stand next to a HiFi avatar
2014-12-28 01:51 <misterblue> seemed that a viewer that just displayed 3d things and clients that connect to the viewer to display their 3d thing in the 'space'
2014-12-28 01:51 <diva> like onlive?
2014-12-28 01:52 <misterblue> onlive is one end of the spectrum... the 3d scene still needs to be rendered somewhere
2014-12-28 01:52 <dahlia> dont know much about hifi avatars, but often content is designed for a particular rendering architechture, which assumes things like multiple render passes work in certain ways. Mixing content from many sources could be very difficult in practice
2014-12-28 01:52 <misterblue> if the 3d scene is rendered on the user's computer, the things that put things in the 3d scene could come from multiple sources
2014-12-28 01:53 <dahlia> ya
2014-12-28 01:53 <dahlia> kinda like diva's traffic thing, it displays stuff from multiple sims in the same place
2014-12-28 01:53 <diva> yeah
2014-12-28 01:54 <dahlia> my webgl thing can display stuff from multiple sources in the same place also
2014-12-28 01:54 <diva> the Linden viewer is already prepared to handle multiple connections to backened content servers, and if the server send them in the proper positions, they will ook close in space
2014-12-28 01:55 <diva> rendering different kind of content is a different story though
2014-12-28 01:55 <misterblue> one instantiation could be a webgl renderer that just displays 3d things... and multiple sources give JS code to the renderer (scripts or WebWorkers) that place and update 3d objects  in the scene
2014-12-28 01:55 <dahlia> and quickly grind the browser to a halt :)
2014-12-28 01:56 <dahlia> well a death spiral, maybe not a halt until the user holds the power button for 10 seconds
2014-12-28 01:56 <misterblue> LOL... there are many people speeding up the browser... and parallel JS....
2014-12-28 01:57 <dahlia> ya
2014-12-28 01:57 <dahlia> and its still insanely slow
2014-12-28 01:57 <misterblue> just like HTTP (a really sucky protocol)... once everyone is using it, the optimizations happen :)
2014-12-28 01:58 <dahlia> the only reason I can display so much content is I ignore how everyone does things and have a very tuned renderer specifically designed for that kind of content
2014-12-28 01:58 <dahlia> letting anyone add js code just wont work Im afraid
2014-12-28 01:59 <dahlia> let them use three.js :)
2014-12-28 02:00 <dahlia> and my renderer is probably an order of magnitude slower than the LL one
2014-12-28 02:03 <dahlia> much of the problem is the security in webgl. A lot of overhead to make sure nobody does anything naughty. Desktop OpenGL has no such security overhead.
2014-12-28 02:09 <misterblue> that is one question I had: what is the proper rendering interface
2014-12-28 02:10 <misterblue> since most of the rendering magic happening these days is creating shaders to do all the work...
2014-12-28 02:10 <misterblue> what is the proper interface?
2014-12-28 02:10 <misterblue> the SL content is a very specialized content type
2014-12-28 02:11 <misterblue> the subdivision based scene tree is another specialized content
2014-12-28 02:12 <misterblue> what should a generalized '3d renderer' API provide so different scene architectures could be rendered?
2014-12-28 02:12 <dahlia> I'm really not sure how to design such a renderer interface. Could be quite an engineering task I'd think
2014-12-28 02:13 <misterblue> 
ACTION thinks that SL prim type content should be 'digested' into simpiler shapes for rendering somewhere between the region server and the viewer, but that is a different discussion

2014-12-28 02:13 <dahlia> There's a lot of generic stuff out there now, but generic stuff doesnt really perform well at all for SL/OpenSIm content
2014-12-28 02:14 <dahlia> well you cant really mix where rendering happens very well because objects have depth and the depth interacts with other objects
2014-12-28 02:14 <misterblue> 
ACTION has been digging through papers on using a Map/Reduce-like asset database for storing prim data and the generalized, distance viewable versions of SL prim content

2014-12-28 02:15 <misterblue> dahlia, I agree with you
2014-12-28 02:16 <misterblue> one problem is that the scene architecture (prims, meshes, ...) tend to be optimized all the way to the shaders for performance
2014-12-28 02:16 <dahlia> not saying its impossible, just needs some engineering
2014-12-28 02:16 <misterblue> generalization is not possible in the current game design methodology
2014-12-28 02:16 <dahlia> ya I do a lot of stuff in shaders that LL viewer does in c++
2014-12-28 02:17 <dahlia> simply because its not feasible to do in js
2014-12-28 02:17 <misterblue> some of the voxel stuff goes all the way to the shaders also
2014-12-28 02:17 <dahlia> ya
2014-12-28 02:17 <dahlia> and shader languages are becoming more powerful too
2014-12-28 02:18 <dahlia> but LL viewer is tied to OpenGL 2.x so it's pretty ancient now
2014-12-28 02:18 <misterblue> ya... does a generalized 3d renderer just become a Z buffer thing with shaders?
2014-12-28 02:18 <dahlia> well a z buffer is involved Im sure
2014-12-28 02:19 <misterblue> that's the "3d X server" :)
2014-12-28 02:19 <dahlia> heh
2014-12-28 02:19 <misterblue> the renderer is just doing the depth thing so objects go in front of others
2014-12-28 02:20 <dahlia> theres so many different ways to do things but many assume they are the only thing running
2014-12-28 02:20 <misterblue> just like the X server worries about windows overlapping other windows
2014-12-28 02:20 <misterblue> the '3d X server' would worry about rendering 3d things over other 3d things
2014-12-28 02:22 <dahlia> I guess (in theory) you could render to multiple targets (color, position, normal) and pass that to another renderer
2014-12-28 02:23 <dahlia> like a 10 channel video stream
2014-12-28 02:23 <misterblue> I am not sure about merging the usual 'scene' model with the shader model... I don't know how they'd fit together
2014-12-28 02:24 <dahlia> but you would need to synchronize stuff like camera position/orientation relative to whatever is being rendered 
2014-12-28 02:25 <dahlia> interesting stuff
2014-12-28 02:25 <misterblue> 
ACTION wonders about a webgl renderer being fed by a hifi voxel world, a high response hifi avatar, a opensim region, and an opensim avatar

2014-12-28 02:25 <dahlia> unfortunately I know nothing of the hifi stuff
2014-12-28 02:26 <misterblue> I know little myself... 
2014-12-28 02:26 <misterblue> I've been getting notifications from their work queue... but, in general, I consider them another world and avatar source
2014-12-28 02:27 <dahlia> I do kinda like the comic-like appearance of Philip's avatar tho :)
2014-12-28 02:27 <misterblue> their world is voxel based and their avatars are very real-time responsive
2014-12-28 02:27 <dahlia> ya
2014-12-28 02:28 <misterblue> I'd consider then just another virtual world to merge
2014-12-28 02:28 <dahlia> I thought the use voxels for modeling but it turns to mesh for distribution and rendering?
2014-12-28 02:28 <misterblue> in 'take over the world mode'... I'd like to figure out how to merge the various efforts
2014-12-28 02:29 <misterblue> I see voxels as another scene architecture optimized for rendering
2014-12-28 02:29 <dahlia> well I think I can animate a SL avatar quite similarly to how I see the hifi avatar animated, but not in LL viewer
2014-12-28 02:29 <misterblue> see, we need our own viewer
2014-12-28 02:30 <KF5YFD> actulay we sorta dp
2014-12-28 02:30 <KF5YFD> dp o ment
2014-12-28 02:30 <KF5YFD> do
2014-12-28 02:30 <misterblue> 
ACTION buys another lottery ticket :)

2014-12-28 02:30 <dahlia> ya, but that's a huge, thankless job
2014-12-28 02:30 <KF5YFD> its called radgast 
2014-12-28 02:30 <dahlia> heh
2014-12-28 02:31 <dahlia> radegast is cool but the renderer needs a lot of love ;)
2014-12-28 02:31 <KF5YFD> unfortunely the dev of it has gone ill and poof both
2014-12-28 02:32 <KF5YFD> i would like to see it become part of core as the "default clinet"
2014-12-28 02:32 <misterblue> well... I'd like to start an effort to build a 3d viewer where the rendering is separate from the pieces that interface/convert from the different 3d worlds
2014-12-28 02:32 <misterblue> like a webgl thingy that will take connections from JS or servers that give it 3d objects
2014-12-28 02:32 <dahlia> KF5YFD: are you volunteering?
2014-12-28 02:33 <KF5YFD> unfortuenlty not
2014-12-28 02:33 <misterblue> what features of Radegast do you love? just the renderer?
2014-12-28 02:34 <KF5YFD> that its 100% bsd
2014-12-28 02:34 <misterblue> LOL... ok BSD is a given :)
2014-12-28 02:35 <misterblue> 
ACTION wants to "take over the world" and thinks open source (the opener the better) is the way to go

2014-12-28 02:37 <dahlia> the way to go for someone or something, probably, but not necessarily the code monkeys
2014-12-28 02:37 <KF5YFD> and it uses libOMV so if you change the serverside you can change the lientside at the same time
2014-12-28 02:37 <KF5YFD> since its the same lib
2014-12-28 02:38 <misterblue> 
ACTION is not sold on LLLP (Linden Lab Legacy Protocol) but thinks it should be accomodated as a content source

2014-12-28 02:38 <dahlia> one of the early design goals for OpenSim was multiple protocols
2014-12-28 02:39 <dahlia> unfortunately not many of us have used that feature
2014-12-28 02:39 <misterblue> ya... we should make that happen... the viewer has been the hold up
2014-12-28 02:39 <misterblue> Diva's work on UI has been the first real divergance from the base LL protocol
2014-12-28 02:40 <dahlia> well part of the issue is much (most?) of opensim is designed around SL content and SL business model
2014-12-28 02:40 <misterblue> indeed... need to include the OS base as content and users... and then build The New World!!
2014-12-28 02:40 <dahlia> RealXtend broke away from that and I can't say I disagree with them
2014-12-28 02:41 <misterblue> The EU funding/people is a Good Thing... I've been thinking of how to build on that
2014-12-28 02:42 <misterblue> they are, at least, another VW protocol to accomedate
2014-12-28 02:42 <KF5YFD> anyways thats my sugestion regarding a offical veiwer to start
2014-12-28 02:42 <dahlia> funding? well then... nothing short of GLOBAL DOMINATION!!! :D
2014-12-28 02:42 <KF5YFD> its there it works and the licence and lang is right
2014-12-28 02:43 <KF5YFD> and it can grow with the server
2014-12-28 02:45 <misterblue> I'm facinated with  the idea that a viewer can fetch the code to convert a server connection into local API calls (think a WebWorker in JS receiving a server stream and turning it into rendering calls)
2014-12-28 02:46 <misterblue> that way a renderer could connect to different servers/architectures/protocols but present to the user a consistant 3d view of a universe
2014-12-28 02:46 <dahlia> well current opengl doesnt play well with multithreading
2014-12-28 02:47 <KF5YFD> i also dont think webgl is getting any traction from browser devs
2014-12-28 02:47 <dahlia> opengl next (or whatever it's called) and or d3d12 or mantle or metal might
2014-12-28 02:47 <misterblue> current solutions are parallel JavaScript and WebWorker models
2014-12-28 02:48 <dahlia> javascript is dog slow even with many threads
2014-12-28 02:48 <KF5YFD> also opens up a lot of security holes
2014-12-28 02:48 <misterblue> there is also the xml3d people in Europe... they have the model that 3d should be integrated into the HTML model rather being a bastard child (OpenGL prodigy)
2014-12-28 02:49 <dahlia> heh
2014-12-28 02:49 <KF5YFD> there used to be such a thing
2014-12-28 02:49 <KF5YFD> it was called vrml
2014-12-28 02:50 <dahlia> webgl does seem to be a shoehorned kludge
2014-12-28 02:50 <KF5YFD> active worlds used it
2014-12-28 02:50 <dahlia> I remember seeing something where web pages can now include some GLSL for various effects
2014-12-28 02:50 <misterblue> its main advantage is it is a known model -- OpenGL is in a lot of people's heads
2014-12-28 02:50 <dahlia> some google thing maybe
2014-12-28 02:51 <dahlia> opengl is well documented
2014-12-28 02:51 <dahlia> how to use it isnt
2014-12-28 02:51 <misterblue> and people are beginning to understand its limitations -- batching will be added someday :)
2014-12-28 02:52 <dahlia> well batching is an application level thing
2014-12-28 02:53 <dahlia> the next gen stuff will be even lower level I'm afraid
2014-12-28 02:54 <misterblue> what is that? shader batching?
2014-12-28 02:54 <dahlia> I understand "batching" to mean rendering like things in batches
2014-12-28 02:55 <dahlia> what is "alike" is an application thing
2014-12-28 02:56 <dahlia> i.e., objects which share the same materials or geometry might be rendered together in a single batch
2014-12-28 02:58 <misterblue> there are new interfaces to do multiple renders in one call... the interface between the GPU and the CPU are merging... as I understand, a lot is changing to make the rendering data and operations less separated from the GPU
2014-12-28 02:59 <dahlia> ya like mantle, d3d12, opengl next, metal
2014-12-28 02:59 <misterblue> again, asking the API quesion, is the previous 'scene' model the correct model to take forward to the new CPU/GPU/shader architecture world?
2014-12-28 03:00 <dahlia> when those become popluar I suspect current LL code becomes an ancient curiosity
2014-12-28 03:00 <dahlia> misterblue: dont know. I suspect not, but it may benefit from it
2014-12-28 03:03 <dahlia> misterblue: have you played with any of the gpu-accelerated bullet stuff?
2014-12-28 03:06 <misterblue> haven't yet... I usually stumble over the problem of having the right GPU acceleration librarires
2014-12-28 03:07 <misterblue> there is a definite problem of API versions :-(
2014-12-28 03:07 <misterblue> I will be upgrading BulletSim to the latest Bullet3 sources... but haven't tried recently
2014-12-28 03:07 <dahlia> I was able to run a collision demo thing on my laptop
2014-12-28 03:08 <dahlia> not sure if its a comprehensive bullet replacement or something less
2014-12-28 03:08 <dahlia> it had a *lot* of cubes tho :)
2014-12-28 03:09 <misterblue> because OpenSim is a general distribution, I worry about fallback options... there is a lot of testing to do before I can totally buy into the GPU acceleration solution
2014-12-28 03:09 <misterblue> some people will get a lot of acceleration and the rest of us???
2014-12-28 03:09 <dahlia> ya wasnt suggesting for opensim, just curious if you had played with it
2014-12-28 03:10 <misterblue> and there aren't a lot of servers with the latest NVidia cards in therm
2014-12-28 03:12 <AllenKerensky> web3d is the successor to VRML - and is basically VRML structures in XML
2014-12-28 03:13 <misterblue> I've been following the web3d work... there is a lot of good there
2014-12-28 03:13 <AllenKerensky> the h-anim group of it seems the most active
2014-12-28 03:14 <AllenKerensky> and whoever mentioned X 3D earlier might want to look into the wayland model that's getting a lot of traction to replace X
2014-12-28 03:15 <AllenKerensky> the wayland rendering folks turned all of X into a legacy graphic client protocol
2014-12-28 03:15 <misterblue> that was me... the wayland model is unfinished, though... not sure it solves the problem but they can convince me :)
2014-12-28 03:16 <dahlia> ya my fear tho is by the time weyland is ready for wide adoption that something better will have trumped it
2014-12-28 03:16 <AllenKerensky> until AMD, nVidia, and Intel rendering all work - Wayland is going to remain a battleground
2014-12-28 03:16 <misterblue> I'm not sure a 3D X-like viewer is an evolution of the existing X server or just a different project that uses the same architecture
2014-12-28 03:17 <dahlia> I thought weyland used OpenGL?
2014-12-28 03:17 <AllenKerensky> there was an open source SL viewer fork a while back that replaced the LL windowing with calls to the native OS windowing
2014-12-28 03:17 <AllenKerensky> so the 3D view was its own view and the 2D floaters were handled outside of that rendering entirely
2014-12-28 03:18 <dahlia> I remember someone once hacked snowglobe so all ui was available via some REST-like interface so other programs could do the ui and just leave snowglobe for rendering/comms
2014-12-28 03:19 <dahlia> that was a few years back tho
2014-12-28 03:19 <AllenKerensky> personally, I'd like the 3D view to replace the desktop background and then OS, app, and viewer windows all co-exist over the 3D view
2014-12-28 03:19 <dahlia> I thought it was a uber-cool idea but I guess the dev burned out
2014-12-28 03:20 <misterblue> similar to the JS approach Diva is going after... the viewer should be just a container for lots of JS code to present the world and the UI for navigating that world
2014-12-28 03:21 <AllenKerensky> well, personally, building anything on a language without ints is sillier than building on a language without unsigned ints (java) but I'm not building it so its not up to me
2014-12-28 03:21 <misterblue> Both SL and Hifi are going for the 'complete viewer' model where the viewer is a total solution that contains all the features for a Good User Experience
2014-12-28 03:21 <misterblue> an admerable approach.. and necessary for some business models... but not general and extensible or maintainable
2014-12-28 03:21 <dahlia> dunno I think js isnt too bad of a choice for UI like stuff. Horrid choice for a renderer tho :(
2014-12-28 03:22 <AllenKerensky> how javascript became "assembly language" for the web is mystifying - the whole web model is such a janky mess
2014-12-28 03:23 <misterblue> I understand the sentiment... JS is a poor basis
2014-12-28 03:23 <AllenKerensky> I'd hate to see the same mistakes propagated into the 3D metaweb
2014-12-28 03:23 <AllenKerensky> and if the google native client model catches on... may be a moot point
2014-12-28 03:23 <misterblue> it only has 'support in the major viewers' going for it
2014-12-28 03:23 <misterblue> I don't see other alternatives, though
2014-12-28 03:24 <dahlia> why cant the webbies just abandon the "everything must be javascript" philosophy and invent a proper vm? *sighs*
2014-12-28 03:24 <AllenKerensky> that's sort of what google is trying with native client
2014-12-28 03:24 <misterblue> how would they do that?
2014-12-28 03:24 <misterblue> 
ACTION would love an alternative

2014-12-28 03:24 <dahlia> native client is a sandbox tho, not a vm
2014-12-28 03:25 <AllenKerensky> shrug can't see where the difference makes a difference to the point here
2014-12-28 03:25 <AllenKerensky> if you can run a client that can safely pull down remote code and run it - who cares if its sandbox or vm?
2014-12-28 03:25 <dahlia> perhaps
2014-12-28 03:25 <misterblue> Docker containers?
2014-12-28 03:26 <AllenKerensky> yeah VMs are giving way to app containers like docker anyway
2014-12-28 03:26 <dahlia> but native client is architecture deoendent and a vm can be independent
2014-12-28 03:26 <AllenKerensky> opensim on docker is still earlier days - viewers on docker? not even started as far as I know
2014-12-28 03:27 <misterblue> a viewer with containers for protocol to renderer conversions?
2014-12-28 03:27 <dahlia> well javascript is a vm 
2014-12-28 03:27 <AllenKerensky> well the only "architecture agnostic" VM I've seem so far is Java's VM on embedded devices, mobile, etc - and no one here is going to suddenly be a java fan
2014-12-28 03:27 <dahlia> .net also
2014-12-28 03:27 <dahlia> as is java
2014-12-28 03:27 <dahlia> pythin
2014-12-28 03:27 <AllenKerensky> java runs blu-ray for example, or JME
2014-12-28 03:28 <AllenKerensky> but so far - it seems renderers on VMs are a near disaster unless you get very high end
2014-12-28 03:28 <misterblue> MS has shaken up the JS vs CLI VM world with their open sourcing .NET
2014-12-28 03:28 <AllenKerensky> K cards and specific VMs
2014-12-28 03:28 <dahlia> the other problem with NaCl is it uses webgl also, which has the same security bottlenecks as js webgl
2014-12-28 03:28 <AllenKerensky> yeah and MS has gotten so scared of Apple and Google their contributing 20% of the Linux kernel code now lol
2014-12-28 03:28 <AllenKerensky> they're not their
2014-12-28 03:29 <dahlia> so your c++ runs at full speed in NaCl, but you still have a tiny thimble to pass data back and forth to the gpu
2014-12-28 03:29 <AllenKerensky> honestly, that's the main feature of Radegast IMO - it was implemented in the same language as the server - makes a good matched default client for the default server
2014-12-28 03:30 <AllenKerensky> and with the libomv as the shared network protocol between them
2014-12-28 03:30 <AllenKerensky> the network protocol is what made X even work - and VWRAP was going that way for 3D
2014-12-28 03:30 <AllenKerensky> implement the interface as a well defined spec with example code for client and server, and let the endpoint implementations do their own thing
2014-12-28 03:32 <AllenKerensky> i mean, the "network spec" part worked for TCP/IP and X, why not for this?
2014-12-28 04:27 <misterblue> stupid persimissions on load OARs and such... taking forever to recover from a DB reset... it is all not obvious
2014-12-28 04:27 <misterblue> even for me, and I'm no stranger here
2014-12-28 04:50 <Bwild> s
2014-12-28 05:23 <diva> misterblue, I looked at Nuget but I didnt see anything that would help us actually address the opensim-specific installation issues that we need to address
2014-12-28 08:07 <osmantis> Bug #6562:04 XEngine is confused about types of constants in llAttachToAvatarTemp 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6562 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2014-12-28 08:45 <fwird> i downloaded opensim 0.8 1-2 weeks ago, and i am running in standalone, and my llhttprequests are returning nothing, is there configuration i gotta do? I don't recall this requiring an extra step before
2014-12-28 09:05 <fwird> i downloaded opensim 0.8 1-2 weeks ago, and i am running in standalone, and my llhttprequests are returning nothing, is there configuration i gotta do? I don't recall this requiring an extra step before
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2014-12-28 21:01 <diva> BlueWall ping. Where is that facility of Robust documneted?
2014-12-28 21:02 <diva> pulling packages from remote repos?
2014-12-29 00:04 <BlueWall> Hi diva, you still arround?
2014-12-29 01:25 <Bwild>  /window 32
2014-12-29 01:25 <Bwild> oops
2014-12-29 03:00 <AllenKerensky> OSgrid update for this week published to http://news.osgrid.org
2014-12-29 03:03 <lillith_xue> Thank you ;-)
2014-12-29 03:43 <user3246986> hi all
2014-12-29 03:43 <user3246986> :)
2014-12-29 17:37 <nebadon_laptop> http://vimeo.com/115154289
2014-12-29 19:41 <misterblue> great video, nebadon_laptop
2014-12-29 19:45 <diva> I talked to him after his talk. He doesn't like VR, which is weird, because much of what he lays out is a much better match for VR than for the physical world.
2014-12-29 20:10 <misterblue> he wants it physical and I'd suspect he thinks VR is another 'box'...
2014-12-29 20:11 <misterblue> but then, a room full of people with Oculus's on and interacting with each other and the virtual stuff in the room is closer to what he's talking about
2014-12-29 20:33 <nebadon_laptop> ya great video, Fleep recommended I watch it
2014-12-29 20:34 <nebadon_laptop> i love when he says, Its not VR, its just R!
2014-12-29 20:34 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-12-29 20:38 <diva> justincc ping
2014-12-29 20:39 <justincc> hi diva
2014-12-29 20:39 <diva> so I've been looking at region modeuls and mono addins, and I'm coming to the conclusion that we already have everythin in place to support 3rd party plugin management via mono addins. so the question:
2014-12-29 20:40 <diva> I'd like to add the entire mono addins package to core (it's just 4 or 5 more files). It includes mautil which is the tool tha tpeople will need run
2014-12-29 20:41 <diva> is it ok to do that?
2014-12-29 20:42 <justincc> I think so (I haven't read the Package manager thread yet).  What is the relationship of Mono.Addins to something like NuGet?
2014-12-29 20:42 <diva> well, nuget is designed for Visual Studio, basically
2014-12-29 20:43 <justincc> that's what I thought.  I was puzzled by some people talking about it as if it were something more general
2014-12-29 20:43 <diva> it is an extension to VS. It is not a plugin manager as such, it's a library manager
2014-12-29 20:43 <diva> yeah
2014-12-29 20:43 <diva> I looked at it
2014-12-29 20:43 <diva> and it's not what we need for the purpose of region modules or robust plugins
2014-12-29 20:43 <justincc> ok
2014-12-29 20:44 <diva> we need something that is drop-in dlls, runtime loading, and that can find the inis
2014-12-29 20:44 <diva> yesterday I made a mono addins plugin and a repository. Everything works. The last final thing I need to figure out is the configuration of the plugin, the ini that comes with it
2014-12-29 20:45 <diva> I'd rather people didn't copy it anywhere besides the addins folder it is installed
2014-12-29 20:45 <diva> so now I just need to figure out how to make opensim grab those inis
2014-12-29 20:45 <diva> shouldn't be hard
2014-12-29 20:46 <diva> something along the lines of what we already have in OpenSimDefaults.ini
2014-12-29 20:46 <diva> last line
2014-12-29 20:46 <diva> oh and another thing that I run into
2014-12-29 20:47 <diva> we have been stuck with OpenSim version 0.5 on OpenSim-as-mono-addin...
2014-12-29 20:47 <diva> if we are going to use this meaningfully, we need to start updating that number from here on
2014-12-29 20:47 <justincc> yeah, I think that stuff has been cargo-cult copied because it hasn't mattered
2014-12-29 20:47 <justincc> ok
2014-12-29 20:47 <diva> it's still not very reliable information...
2014-12-29 20:47 <diva> but it's better to update it than not
2014-12-29 20:48 <justincc> is it parsed into major/minor, etc. numbers?  I will need to go look at mono.addins in more detail
2014-12-29 20:48 <diva> yeah, I was going to look at it next. All the examples I see have two part numbers only
2014-12-29 20:48 <diva> but I have been looking at the source code of mono addins all throughout
2014-12-29 20:49 <diva> and I will look into that too
2014-12-29 20:49 <diva> ...
2014-12-29 20:49 <diva> there's a gazillion important things about mono addins that is not documented...
2014-12-29 20:49 <diva> I had to look at the source code in order to understand how to use it
2014-12-29 20:49 <justincc> yeah, that makes me nervous.  I usually assume it's better to reuse than roll-your-own - everybody and their dog seems to have their own pkg mgr these days
2014-12-29 20:50 <justincc> that might not be a 100% safe assumption though
2014-12-29 20:50 <diva> yeah, I'm still not 100% sure this is the right way, but it's certainly one possible way
2014-12-29 20:50 <diva> rolling a plugin manager tool is not that hard. But it is extra work.
2014-12-29 20:50 <justincc> I think there actually is a .net facility for this stuff
2014-12-29 20:51 <justincc> have you come across that?
2014-12-29 20:51 <diva> which?
2014-12-29 20:51 <justincc> managed extensibility framework (mef)
2014-12-29 20:51 <justincc> e..g http://stackoverflow.com/questions/835182/choosing-between-mef-and-maf-system-addin
2014-12-29 20:51 <diva> let me look quickly
2014-12-29 20:53 <justincc> I don't know how widely used that stuff is though (and it replaces/adds on to a previous heavier weight framework in .net itself).  It's just in the notes I had from the last time I looked into this area.
2014-12-29 20:54 <diva> hmm
2014-12-29 20:55 <diva> the problem I"m already seeing is that our region modules are mono addins already
2014-12-29 20:55 <diva> we'd probably need to switch them to MEF if we were to take advantage of it
2014-12-29 20:56 <justincc> depends how difficult a dual system would be.  This is one of those nasty topics where you want to try and make the right decision up front because change later on can be a real pain.
2014-12-29 20:57 <justincc> according to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1592779/mef-vs-mono-addin one of the mon odevs says there may be a migration path to mef eventually.  Also looks like mono.addins is actively maintained https://github.com/mono/mono-addins
2014-12-29 20:58 <diva> yes, it isd
2014-12-29 20:58 <diva> I looked at that too. I was alittle worried with the documentation
2014-12-29 20:58 <diva> the documentation is not bad, but some important things are just missing
2014-12-29 20:58 <diva> and then you search for it on Google and you get no hits...
2014-12-29 20:58 <diva> but the source code seems active
2014-12-29 21:00 <diva> ok, that answer, justincc, says that mono addins is way more complete than mef
2014-12-29 21:00 <diva> indeed, it looks like mef is just about the code. So thing slike external libraries, resources, etc. -- we would need to build something on top
2014-12-29 21:02 <justincc> yeah
2014-12-29 21:04 <justincc> diva: on another topic, did you update OpenMetaverse.dll with a windows build?
2014-12-29 21:05 <diva> yes
2014-12-29 21:05 <diva> I will never forget the risks of building libomv in mono itself...
2014-12-29 21:05 <justincc> ok cool.  I got a random report of a memory issue but that could be for a bazillion reasons.  I just know through painful experience that the mono builds don't seem to work very well for Windows
2014-12-29 21:05 <justincc> ha
2014-12-29 21:06 <diva> anyway, justincc, let's go with mono addins for now. If MEF evolves to something a bit more substantial in the future, we can always migrate 
2014-12-29 21:06 <justincc> ok
2014-12-29 21:08 <diva> cool. I'm going to make my first opensim addon available today. I'll write documentation for what ppl need to do to install these.
2014-12-29 21:09 <justincc> great.  Maybe one could even use it for external tools like web ui as well, though I would have to throw everything in bin/ yet further
2014-12-29 21:11 <diva> web ui?
2014-12-29 21:12 <diva> well, the good thing about mono addins is that you can place them anywhere. They don't need to be under bin
2014-12-29 21:13 <justincc> frontends to opensim, though that's a bad example really since they can be far from trivial projects in their own right
2014-12-29 21:13 <diva> as long as the proper .addin files are in the right places, starting with bin/something.addin pointing to another place
2014-12-29 21:14 <diva> well I have many region module -based addons that are quite sophisticated, including web uis
2014-12-29 21:14 <diva> external libraries like ghostscript, kml, ...
2014-12-29 21:15 <diva> these can be packaged and installed as mono addins
2014-12-29 21:15 <diva> and that's the reason why I'm looking at it now, because the process I have in place to deploy them is very time consuming
2014-12-29 21:15 <diva> and error-prone
2014-12-29 21:17 <justincc> ok.  btw, any idea if the later mono.addins fixed a bug where it would occasionally corrupt its own cache?
2014-12-29 21:18 <justincc> in OpenSim/Framework/PluginLoader/clear_registry_() you can see code that was added to delete addin_db-00[0,1] on every startup
2014-12-29 21:18 <justincc> to force it to rebuild its cache
2014-12-29 21:18 <justincc> which kind of defeats the point I suspect
2014-12-29 21:19 <diva> I don't know
2014-12-29 21:19 <justincc> ok
2014-12-29 21:20 <justincc> is there a page where one can download mono.addins releases?
2014-12-29 21:20 <diva> duh. they assume the version is just two parts :-/
2014-12-29 21:20 <diva> i think
2014-12-29 21:20 <diva> wait
2014-12-29 21:20 <diva> oh no, they do the right thing. phew
2014-12-29 21:21 <justincc> https://monoaddins.codeplex.com/releases/view/96359 I suppose
2014-12-29 21:21 <justincc> as our Mono.addins.dll was last updated dec 2012 by BlueWall I will assume we are using 1.0...
2014-12-29 21:22 <diva> yeah
2014-12-29 21:22 <justincc> Ah, https://github.com/mono/mono-addins/releases has newer releases
2014-12-29 21:22 <justincc> they are up to 1.2 now
2014-12-29 21:22 <diva> I think BlueWall took just the dlls that we needed, but not the entire package
2014-12-29 21:22 <diva> oh?
2014-12-29 21:22 <diva> maybe we should update it then
2014-12-29 21:22 <diva> where did you see that?
2014-12-29 21:23 <justincc> on that page
2014-12-29 21:23 <justincc> the github one
2014-12-29 21:23 <justincc> they haven't exactly made it clear they migrated from codeplex to github
2014-12-29 21:24 <diva> oh we have to compile it
2014-12-29 21:24 <justincc> ah yeah, I see no binaries
2014-12-29 21:24 <diva> ok, I will use 1.2 then, if I can compile it
2014-12-29 21:32 <justincc> hey nebadon_laptop, are you around for tomorrow's meeting?
2014-12-29 21:32 <nebadon_laptop> yea
2014-12-29 21:32 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: ok, we want to try and reproduce the throttles issue, which means getting whoever is there to jump to keynotes afterwards
2014-12-29 21:32 <diva> justincc is this bad? https://github.com/mono/mono-addins/blob/master/support/ICSharpCode.SharpZipLib.license.txt
2014-12-29 21:32 <justincc> I will also spin up ec2 instances to provide some bot load
2014-12-29 21:33 <diva> this lib needs to be there for mautil
2014-12-29 21:33 <diva> and Setup too
2014-12-29 21:33 <nebadon_laptop> ok sounds good
2014-12-29 21:37 <diva> justincc looks like it's ok? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPL_linking_exception
2014-12-29 21:38 <justincc> diva: I believe in principle it is fine.  However, from what Melanie_T has said in the past, this technically means we also have to make the SharpZipLib source code available, though I don't knwo if anybody really follows this (e.g. doesn't look like Mono.Addins does)
2014-12-29 21:38 <justincc> would certainly be a different story if anyone made changes to that dll, as that would be GPL
2014-12-29 21:40 <diva> ok
2014-12-29 21:40 <justincc> and you could argue that would extend to anybody distributing something they build on top of opensim.  They wouldn't have to publish their changes to opensim but they would have to make the sharpziplib code available....
2014-12-29 21:50 <diva> I had to remove Mono.Addins.Gui in order to be able to compile it. The Gui has all sorts of weird dependencies
2014-12-29 21:53 <misterblue> diva: as  to INI files, OpenSimulator looks for OpenSimDefaults.ini and OpenSim.ini and bin/config-include is read in via the includes in OpenSim.ini
2014-12-29 21:53 <misterblue> but OpenSimulator also reads any ini file in the directory bin/config/*.ini
2014-12-29 21:54 <misterblue> That mechanism can be extended to cover any addins directories
2014-12-29 21:54 <diva> yes
2014-12-29 21:54 <diva> The last line in OpenSimDefaults.ini is to include bin/addon-modules/*/config/*.ini
2014-12-29 21:55 <diva> so I think we can also include some other directory's inis
2014-12-29 21:55 <misterblue> the only difficulty is that our 'include' semantics are a bit odd
2014-12-29 21:55 <diva> the only thing I'm not cmopletely sure id=s if this specification can support variable parts in that path
2014-12-29 21:55 <misterblue> they don't work like in-place file inclusion
2014-12-29 21:56 <diva> what I'd relaly wat would be
2014-12-29 21:56 <diva> MonoAddinsPath = "/path/to/addins"
2014-12-29 21:56 <diva> Include-addins = $MonoAddinsPath/*/*.ini
2014-12-29 21:56 <diva> I'm not sure we support this
2014-12-29 21:56 <misterblue> we have enabled Nini variable inclusion...  that does include environment variables
2014-12-29 21:57 <diva> these would variables definied inside an ini
2014-12-29 21:57 <diva> not env vars
2014-12-29 21:57 <diva> I have a vague recollection that we now support those too
2014-12-29 21:57 <diva> but I never did that
2014-12-29 21:58 <misterblue> I think the special group [Environment] allows pulling in environment variables
2014-12-29 21:58 <diva> oh?
2014-12-29 21:58 <diva> great!
2014-12-29 21:59 <diva> I"m sure there is a way
2014-12-29 21:59 <misterblue> http://bluewallvirtual.com/Nenv    "Using shell environment variables in OpenSim configuration"
2014-12-29 22:01 <diva> there's just a bunch of small steps that I need to do in order to enable the full use of mono addins for real... so that's my goal for the rest of the day
2014-12-29 22:55 <diva> sigh, we're using the Addins in a really strange way... it doesn't make much sense to declare OpenSim.exe as the addin root for region modules...
2014-12-29 23:05 <misterblue> I vaguely remember Addins being a little controversial... one reason there are so many different module loading systems
2014-12-29 23:06 <diva> tell me if I'm looking at it wrong
2014-12-29 23:06 <diva> http://monoaddins.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=Architecture%20Overview&referringTitle=Documentation
2014-12-29 23:06 <diva> we have OpenSim.exe, which is the root for some mono addins like the RegionModuleController itself or the RemoteController
2014-12-29 23:07 <diva> but the region modules themselves have very little to do with OpenSim.exe
2014-12-29 23:07 <diva> they're much closer to RegionModulesController or OpenSim.RegionFramework
2014-12-29 23:08 <diva> they are "driven" by the RegionModulesController
2014-12-29 23:08 <diva> driven = created, initialized, etc
2014-12-29 23:08 <misterblue> region modules do use their own system of discover and loading
2014-12-29 23:08 <diva> yeah, by the RegionModulesControllerPlugin
2014-12-29 23:09 <misterblue> I think later someone tried using Addins but there was discussion about how .NET and MS'ish we should get tied to
2014-12-29 23:09 <diva> System.Addins?
2014-12-29 23:10 <misterblue> 
ACTION doesn't remember all the details

2014-12-29 23:10 <diva> well, I'm not even going there. We're heavily dependent on mono addins now. We sould just use them properly... instead of improperly, as what we're doing
2014-12-29 23:11 <misterblue> would be ideal
2014-12-29 23:11 <diva> let me try changing the extension point from OpenSim.exe to RegionModulesControllerPLugin.dll and see what happens
2014-12-29 23:13 <diva> actually, no. It should be OpenSim.Region.Framework.dll because that's the provider of the objectType that is expected of addins
2014-12-29 23:14 <diva>     <ExtensionPoint path="/OpenSim/RegionModules">
2014-12-29 23:14 <diva>         <ExtensionNode name="RegionModule" type="Mono.Addins.TypeExtensionNode" objectType="OpenSim.Region.Framework.Interfaces.IRegionModuleBase"/>
2014-12-29 23:14 <diva>     </ExtensionPoint>
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2014-12-29 23:52 <BlueWall_> diva, it has been a while since I was diving around that area. But, in the OpenSim.exe useage, I think we load the plugins, then we load the region modules and they use separate roots?
2014-12-29 23:52 <diva> no, they have the same root... OpenSim.exe itself
2014-12-29 23:53 <diva> it's really confusing!
2014-12-29 23:53 <BlueWall_> it is, yes.
2014-12-29 23:53 <BlueWall_> Mut, I think it is probably the best thing out there for the job.
2014-12-29 23:53 <BlueWall_> *But.
2014-12-29 23:54 <diva> well, mono addins look fine. It's our use of them that looks really broken
2014-12-29 23:54 <BlueWall_> yes
2014-12-29 23:54 <diva> I'm trying a few things...
2014-12-29 23:54 <BlueWall_> When you look, you will see an area that we turn off logging to the console while it searches for addin enabled assemblies.
2014-12-29 23:55 <BlueWall_> It throws exceptions when it finds native dlls.
2014-12-29 23:55 <diva> I started the day wanting to be able to support region modules as mono addins, which is more or less simple. But I've been off on a tangent to try to fix OpenSim's use of mono addins... rabbit hole!
2014-12-29 23:55 <BlueWall_> We have most of those in their own places now, but the lone one or two left makes it to that.
2014-12-29 23:56 <BlueWall_> Well, it;s probably worth the trip.
2014-12-29 23:56 <diva> probably. It's now or never for me...
2014-12-29 23:56 <BlueWall_> I'll pay attention to what you do there, and if I can improve the Robust side of it I will.
2014-12-29 23:56 <diva> ok, yeah I look at what you did there, looks good
2014-12-29 23:57 <diva> I wasn't sure we need an interface *inside* robust itself
2014-12-29 23:57 <BlueWall_> I have been considering making a loader for standalones to use the connectors locally.
2014-12-29 23:57 <diva> couldn't you do everything with mautil?
2014-12-29 23:57 <BlueWall_> you can,yes
2014-12-29 23:57 <diva> so it was just for convenience?
2014-12-29 23:57 <BlueWall_> but, how many people would?
2014-12-29 23:57 <BlueWall_> pretty, much. Yes.
2014-12-29 23:58 <BlueWall_> It does need some shine here and there.
2014-12-29 23:58 <diva> well, I'm about to use mautils for region module addins... I wasn't planning to redo what it already does inside OpenSIm
2014-12-29 23:58 <BlueWall_> that would work now, I suppose.
2014-12-29 23:58 <diva> anyway, those are all details. 
2014-12-29 23:58 <diva> Trying to untagle this mess of mono addins within opensim itself is a piece of work
2014-12-29 23:59 <BlueWall_> If you pack a regular region module into a repo, it should work. I think.
2014-12-29 23:59 <diva> it does
2014-12-29 23:59 <diva> I tried it yesterday. It works with additional libraries too
2014-12-29 23:59 <diva> and files
2014-12-29 23:59 <diva> you can pack everything
2014-12-30 00:00 <diva> and it will be installed properly
2014-12-30 00:00 <diva> so that's where I'm going. I'm just getting off this rabbit hole
2014-12-30 00:00 <diva> I mean on
2014-12-30 00:00 <BlueWall_> One thing - When I did that work, there was some controversy about a library inside mono-addind, so I forked it and replaced the library...
2014-12-30 00:01 <BlueWall_> I think we would be doing a good thing if we looked at that again and use the stock distribution.
2014-12-30 00:01 <diva> what library?
2014-12-30 00:02 <BlueWall_> At some point, I would love to add Nuget support to Prebuild, and we could just pull things like that down when they aupdate.
2014-12-30 00:02 <diva> I just committed all that's in mono addins, including ShaprZipLib
2014-12-30 00:02 <diva> is that the one?
2014-12-30 00:02 <BlueWall_> It is the compression library that is used in it.
2014-12-30 00:02 <diva> yes
2014-12-30 00:02 <diva> I talked ot justincc about it
2014-12-30 00:02 <diva> and we both decided that it's ok
2014-12-30 00:02 <BlueWall_> So, we have the stock distro now?
2014-12-30 00:02 <diva> yeah. I haven't pushed this yet
2014-12-30 00:02 <BlueWall_> \o/
2014-12-30 00:02 <BlueWall_> Ok, Great news.
2014-12-30 00:03 <BlueWall_> I'll remove the forked one from out libraries.
2014-12-30 00:03 <diva> I relaly really want to try to fix OpenSim's use of mono addins, because it's driving me nuts how contorted it is
2014-12-30 00:03 <BlueWall_> I had considered talking with the author to see if they would change. But, All's clear now.
2014-12-30 00:03 <diva> yeah, I think we're good
2014-12-30 00:04 <BlueWall_> Well, the loading of the region modules is done in two ways - not considering the first plugins.
2014-12-30 00:04 <BlueWall_> We should converal all of the modules to use the new way and add the repo/plugin commands to the OpenSim.exe and we'd be done?
2014-12-30 00:05 <BlueWall_> *convert*
2014-12-30 00:05 <BlueWall_> I remember talking with Melanie about getting the region module framework in shape to be able to unload them.
2014-12-30 00:06 <diva> what do you mean 2 ways?
2014-12-30 00:06 <BlueWall_> That could be a good long-term goal.
2014-12-30 00:06 <diva> I think we already convcerted all the region modules
2014-12-30 00:06 <diva> I think I didn't miss any one
2014-12-30 00:06 <BlueWall_> I don't remember all the details - Oh, maybe so.
2014-12-30 00:07 <diva> are you referring to the "old" region modules vs the "new" region modules?
2014-12-30 00:07 <BlueWall_> I remember they would report differently when loading, and in the show modules command.
2014-12-30 00:07 <BlueWall_> I guess so, yes.
2014-12-30 00:07 <diva> yeah, I converted them all some time ago, in one of those obsessive compulsive periods that I go through from time to time... :)
2014-12-30 00:08 <BlueWall> Haha, Ok. Good deal.
2014-12-30 00:11 <cmickeyb> diva: need a test module?
2014-12-30 00:11 <cmickeyb> i know of a few :-)
2014-12-30 00:11 <BlueWall> haa
2014-12-30 00:11 <diva> for what cmickeyb?
2014-12-30 00:12 <cmickeyb> for testing the packaging
2014-12-30 00:12 <diva> oh hehe
2014-12-30 00:12 <diva> I have a few
2014-12-30 00:12 <diva> it actually works
2014-12-30 00:12 <cmickeyb> right now... i use the addon-modules directory quite a lot
2014-12-30 00:12 <cmickeyb> the prebuild configs all move the dll's into the opensim bin directory
2014-12-30 00:13 <cmickeyb> and move the ini files into the config directory
2014-12-30 00:13 <diva> whast prebuild configs?
2014-12-30 00:13 <cmickeyb> you can put a prebuild into the addons directory right now
2014-12-30 00:14 <diva> oh i see, but that means that you have to build/compile things
2014-12-30 00:14 <cmickeyb> https://github.com/cmickeyb/dispatcher/blob/master/modules/dispatcher/prebuild.xml
2014-12-30 00:14 <cmickeyb> right now
2014-12-30 00:14 <cmickeyb> yes
2014-12-30 00:14 <diva> I don't want that
2014-12-30 00:14 <cmickeyb> i know
2014-12-30 00:14 <cmickeyb> i'm just saying that for "installing" i have to move things now
2014-12-30 00:14 <BlueWall> Does Windows allow multiple GAC locatons?
2014-12-30 00:14 <cmickeyb> a source package would still need the prebuild for building
2014-12-30 00:14 <diva> I want drop in, and you're done. And it's possible to do it with mono addins, without changing almost anything of what we have now
2014-12-30 00:15 <diva> my beef now is that I decided to go down the rabbit hole of of trying to figure out OpenSim's use of mono addins...
2014-12-30 00:15 <cmickeyb> right... just thinking about the build procedure as well
2014-12-30 00:15 <cmickeyb> yeah... run away
2014-12-30 00:25 <BlueWall> Ok diva, I removed the modified mono addins from our opensim-libs library.
2014-12-30 00:25 <diva> ok cool
2014-12-30 00:26 <BlueWall> yes it is, thnks for talking w/justin and getting the full version back.
2014-12-30 00:32 <misterblue> justincc: you'd been looking at OpenSim's over threading and thinking about how to schedule work
2014-12-30 00:32 <misterblue> have you had any insights?
2014-12-30 00:33 <misterblue> I'm looking to add a work queue to BulletSim to create hulls (since the work can take a long time especially if I do it for all prims)
2014-12-30 00:34 <justincc> misterblue: I don't know about insights.  But I was thinking the only way to ultimately improve matters across the whole system is to put all work requests through a unified system, rather than different mechanisms which don't know anything about each other
2014-12-30 00:34 <misterblue> I could just spin up a new thread and set it working but that's what everyone has done and a reason why latency dependant work is not getting done
2014-12-30 00:35 <justincc> are these jobs that can block (e.g. have network i/o?)
2014-12-30 00:35 <misterblue> agreed.... although generalized work scheduling is complex topic
2014-12-30 00:35 <justincc> yes, definitely 
2014-12-30 00:35 <justincc> it's almost moving towards having your own scheduler.  Then the question is why we can't let the OS do it with it's perfectly good scheduler
2014-12-30 00:35 <misterblue> no... my task is not networked... the physical representation of an object would stay simple (bounding cube) until the work is complete
2014-12-30 00:36 <misterblue> it is a problem that has been solved before :)
2014-12-30 00:36 <BlueWall> I will try to find this article I read a while back about threading. If I rememebr correctly, they (MS) were saying to use async for it.
2014-12-30 00:36 <misterblue> one problem is that all work is not created equal.... like ordering which packets to send on the limited connection to the client
2014-12-30 00:37 <misterblue> that starts leaning toward a realtime or time-bound scheduler which is even hairier
2014-12-30 00:37 <justincc> so, WorkManager.RunJob() will let you place a job in a queue.  However, this is a real basic implementation (a single thread does jobs consecutively) and would be shared with non-blocking tasks associated with login (triggering attachment rez, etc.)
2014-12-30 00:38 <misterblue> the work to move and update and avatar's position needs to be done early (so user has good response) while other work have happen later
2014-12-30 00:38 <justincc> a more sophisticated implementation may be able to take a job priority and deal with it appropriately.  But that's where you start getting into sheduler terriotory
2014-12-30 00:38 <justincc> I had to take a simple strategy because of oscc time constraints.  And less to go wrong witha simple approach initially
2014-12-30 00:39 <justincc> actually, cmickeyb had a nice simple approach in the Dispatcher code to expand the number of threads used if required to a max
2014-12-30 00:39 <justincc> but then you start getting into the question of why not use instantiations of the existing STP with low max threads
2014-12-30 00:40 <justincc> I also plan to genericize the single dediated thread code I used in several places, which has some convenient features like completing outstanding tasks on shutdown up to a certain limit, etc.
2014-12-30 00:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #3938 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-12-30 01:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3938: SUCCESS in 9 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3938/
2014-12-30 01:03 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: correct sent -> set in TokenBucket.RequestedDripRate method doc
2014-12-30 01:40 <Ken_S> If there is a HG user that is causing issues, how can you ban them in a way that works?
2014-12-30 02:51 <cmickeyb> hmm... i thought non-master branches were not picked up by the irc daemon
2014-12-30 02:51 <diva> they are
2014-12-30 02:51 <cmickeyb> ah well
2014-12-30 02:51 <diva> and omg, I'm making progress on getting mono addins under control in opensim! what a mess that was!
2014-12-30 02:52 <cmickeyb> :-)
2014-12-30 02:52 <diva> ppl are going to have to update their modules....
2014-12-30 02:53 <cmickeyb> if it makes installation of 3rd party modules more streamlined
2014-12-30 02:53 <cmickeyb> thats not a problem
2014-12-30 02:53 <diva> because I'm changing the extension path from OPenSim.exe to OpenSim.Region.Framework.sll which is the right place to hang it from. It's the dll that has the type and the one that most influences whether a region module is compatible or not with current core
2014-12-30 02:54 <diva> we were hanging the extension path from OpenSim.exe which doesn't make any sense at all!
2014-12-30 02:54 <cmickeyb> is there a version number in there? how can it be tested on installation?
2014-12-30 02:54 <diva> we need to start using mono addin version numbers properly too
2014-12-30 02:55 <diva> I'm synchronizing everything to the release numebr
2014-12-30 02:55 <diva> it doesn't have to be synchronized, but if we don't do that it will be a bit chaotic
2014-12-30 02:55 <cmickeyb> as in: [assembly: AddinDependency("OpenSim", "0.5")]
2014-12-30 02:55 <diva> there's basically two version number series, one for .net and one for mono addins
2014-12-30 02:55 <diva> yes
2014-12-30 02:56 <diva> so that will be
2014-12-30 02:56 <diva> [assembly: AddinDependency("OpenSim.Region.Framework", "0.8.1")]
2014-12-30 02:56 <cmickeyb> that shouldn't be too hard to change
2014-12-30 02:57 <diva> yeah, global replace should do it
2014-12-30 02:57 <cmickeyb> its only one place per module dll right
2014-12-30 02:57 <diva> yes
2014-12-30 02:57 <diva> I preserved the path of the extension point, so we don't need to change that
2014-12-30 02:57 <Ken_S> diva, does this mean every add-on in the add-ons folder will stop working with this change? Inclusing wifi?
2014-12-30 02:57 <cmickeyb> do you have recommendations for how to put versions into our own modules?
2014-12-30 02:58 <diva> cmickeyb, not really, at least not yet. There's a couple of version number attributes in the addins that I want to look at, to see how we can use them meaningfully
2014-12-30 02:58 <cmickeyb> ok
2014-12-30 02:59 <diva> Ken_S: I don't know what you have in that folder. OpenSim doesn't have anything. But in general yes, you will need to get new versions of all addons
2014-12-30 03:00 <diva> but for wifi in particular I"m going to start providing it as mono addin, so it will be trivial to install it and updates it
2014-12-30 03:01 <Ken_S> Diva, so what will change about the way wifi is included when we compile the dev master?
2014-12-30 03:02 <diva> for starters, you can install it outside of bin
2014-12-30 03:02 <diva> so it will be isolated from changes in core
2014-12-30 03:03 <diva> then you will be able to install it with mautil, which will bring everything, including the ini
2014-12-30 03:03 <diva> then you can check for updates using mautil too
2014-12-30 03:03 <diva> and update if there are updates
2014-12-30 03:04 <Ken_S> The updated wifi to deal with this will have updated install instructions?
2014-12-30 03:04 <diva> but I don't know exactly what you are doing with wifi
2014-12-30 03:04 <diva> if you are grabbing the source code, that's a different story
2014-12-30 03:04 <Ken_S> Im dropping it all in the add-ins folder then rebuild and compile
2014-12-30 03:04 <diva> ah, that's different
2014-12-30 03:04 <diva> then you don't need an addin at all
2014-12-30 03:05 <diva> what I'm doing now is providing better support for pre-compiled addins
2014-12-30 03:05 <Ken_S> So nothing will need to change about the way I'm currently doing it?
2014-12-30 03:05 <diva> and if you use wifi in robust, that's even more detached from what I'm doing now
2014-12-30 03:05 <diva> I'm focusing on region modules, so the simulator addons
2014-12-30 03:06 <diva> no, looks like you should continue to do what you're doing, especially if you follow master head
2014-12-30 03:06 <Ken_S> OK thanks for the info.
2014-12-30 03:06 <diva> what I'm doing now is to support people who don't follow master head, and don't want to deal with source code of extensions
2014-12-30 03:07 <Ken_S> Oh, OK I see.
2014-12-30 03:07 <diva> like me :) I have extensions that I don't want to deploy as source in my grids
2014-12-30 03:07 <diva> I really need to deploy pre-compiled packages, or else it's a mess
2014-12-30 03:12 <Ken_S> diva, ossearch, and some paypal add-on that I never use is all thats there other than wifi
2014-12-30 04:28 <ox64-p> nebadon_laptop:  awesome video you posted earlier today, thanks for sharing
2014-12-30 18:49 <nebadon_laptop> is that it cmickeyb?
2014-12-30 18:50 <cmickeyb> yup
2014-12-30 18:50 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-12-30 18:50 <nebadon_laptop> updating
2014-12-30 18:51 <nebadon_laptop> BlueWall and MarcusLLew
2014-12-30 18:51 <nebadon_laptop> TP away for a few
2014-12-30 18:51 <nebadon_laptop> so i can restart region
2014-12-30 18:51 <MarcusLlewellyn> I'm in keynotes
2014-12-30 18:51 <nebadon_laptop> those are going to restart too :)
2014-12-30 18:51 <MarcusLlewellyn> Well... shoot. Ezpo?
2014-12-30 18:51 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-12-30 18:51 <nebadon_laptop> that is fine
2014-12-30 18:52 <MarcusLlewellyn> kk
2014-12-30 18:52 <nebadon_laptop> BlueWall sorry booted you
2014-12-30 18:52 <nebadon_laptop> couldnt wait :)
2014-12-30 18:52 <nebadon_laptop> must be afk
2014-12-30 18:52 <nebadon_laptop> ok Staff Zone is back
2014-12-30 18:53 <nebadon_laptop> ready to go
2014-12-30 18:54 <justincc> nebadon_laptop: throttle debug logging isn't on currently unless explicitly set on console
2014-12-30 18:54 <misterblue> what's the HG link to the meeting?
2014-12-30 18:54 <nebadon_laptop> http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 Staff Zone 1
2014-12-30 18:54 <MarcusLlewellyn> cc.opensimulator.org:8002:Staff Zone 1
2014-12-30 18:55 <nebadon_laptop> ok justincc, maybe you can fire that stuff up when you are ready
2014-12-30 18:55 <nebadon_laptop> i made sure throttles are enabled on Staff and Keynote
2014-12-30 18:55 <nebadon_laptop> we are running Mics branch of cod
2014-12-30 18:55 <nebadon_laptop> code*
2014-12-30 18:55 <justincc> ok, things are started up now?
2014-12-30 18:55 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2014-12-30 18:55 <nebadon_laptop> restarting keynotes now
2014-12-30 18:55 <nebadon_laptop> but staff is up
2014-12-30 18:55 <nebadon_laptop> ok everything is restartednow
2014-12-30 18:56 <BlueWall> nebadon_laptop, is ok. I was on the phone
2014-12-30 18:58 <justincc> ok, I'm not sure what data is valuable here.  cmickeyb, are you going to be watching the console in real time?
2014-12-30 18:58 <cmickeyb> i dont have access to the console
2014-12-30 18:58 <cmickeyb> the most useful would be to do periodic show throttles and show queues
2014-12-30 18:59 <misterblue> must throttle chat also... it's pretty quiet at the meeting <wink>
2014-12-30 19:00 <cmickeyb> the throttles *should* be a lot more aggressive about recovering
2014-12-30 19:01 <cmickeyb> we shall see
2014-12-30 19:22 <BlueWall> somone asked about http://opensimulator.org/wiki/User_talk:BlueWall#JSON_User_SimStats a couple of weeks ago.
2014-12-30 19:22 <BlueWall> I updated it this past weekend, so it works now.
2014-12-30 19:32 <misterblue> BlueWall... we should talk about our different stats fetching... look toward some consolidation
2014-12-30 19:33 <BlueWall> Yes, I think we should have a "1 stop shop" for stats in the core, then be able to use it directly, or load it inside other modules.
2014-12-30 19:34 <misterblue> the problem with getting rid of old interfaces is there could be someone out there using them
2014-12-30 19:35 <misterblue> and some people care about security of the numbers, etc
2014-12-30 19:35 <justincc> there is a one stop shop which is the stats manager
2014-12-30 19:35 <justincc> just not everything has consolidated there yet
2014-12-30 19:35 <misterblue> the current stats fetching stuff is unsecured or relies on a secret
2014-12-30 19:36 <BlueWall> maybe those could be fabricated on top of the new one and depreciated over a couple of releases?
2014-12-30 19:36 <BlueWall> ok, cool, justincc
2014-12-30 19:36 <misterblue> it looks like everything Bluewall is fetching from the User_URI interface is available from the StatsManager interfaces
2014-12-30 19:36 <misterblue> better actually since you can get per-region stats rather than the stats of a random region
2014-12-30 19:36 <BlueWall> That was made a long time ago and used whatever was in core at that time.
2014-12-30 19:37 <BlueWall> I guess it's basically whatever you can see in the viewer stats
2014-12-30 19:37 <justincc> yeah, that was one problem with the monitoring module stuff
2014-12-30 19:37 <justincc> and some of the older stat approaches
2014-12-30 19:37 <misterblue> yes... and console "show stats" gives you the stats for a random region (the last one that generated a stats event)
2014-12-30 19:37 <BlueWall> the StatsManager is a module itself?
2014-12-30 19:38 <misterblue> yes
2014-12-30 19:38 <justincc> yeah, the "show stats" itself plugs into the older system, whereas anything like "show stats all" uses the newer one.  in hindight, I probably shouldnt' have left it that way
2014-12-30 19:38 <misterblue> if you do a "show stats all" it will list all the stats currently tracked
2014-12-30 19:38 <justincc> BlueWall: it's a class in OpenSim.Framework.Monitoring rather than a module
2014-12-30 19:38 <BlueWall> ok, thanks
2014-12-30 19:38 <justincc> BlueWall: I actually started a caller level doc about it yesterday http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Stats_Manager
2014-12-30 19:40 <misterblue> I will extend that with an web interface document, justincc
2014-12-30 19:40 <justincc> misterblue: great
2014-12-30 19:40 <justincc> some point soon will also need better ways of selecting stats I think... it's starting to become a big list, especially if per user connection stuff is added
2014-12-30 19:41 <misterblue> the web query lets you select containers and categories (just get the 'server' stats, for instance)
2014-12-30 19:41 <justincc> and I'm beginning to think reusing log4net to decide stats recording location isn't worth the wierdness for the convenience it gives
2014-12-30 19:42 <BlueWall> http://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool/
2014-12-30 19:43 <misterblue> if all OS system logged through StatsManager, it would be easy to add a module that takes those stats and distributed them via RRDtool or HTTP or whatever
2014-12-30 19:43 <BlueWall> yes
2014-12-30 19:44 <misterblue> we should separate intrumenting the system (StatsManager) from any distribution/storage system
2014-12-30 19:44 <BlueWall> many programs use rrdb created by rrdtools
2014-12-30 19:44 <justincc> yes, there could be a recorder which writes stats directly in rrd format
2014-12-30 19:44 <BlueWall> I think having command line stats and a generic web stats in core would be good + some handlers to call from ecternal sources.
2014-12-30 19:45 <justincc> in addition/instead of the current one which just writes out stat name/values to a log file.  Which was never intended to be a permanent approach...
2014-12-30 19:45 <BlueWall> I think that handlers should be protected, somewhat.
2014-12-30 19:45 <BlueWall> or at least have the option
2014-12-30 19:45 <misterblue> StatsManager works by routines registering stats to be monitored... so StatsManager is where any console output or Web output or database storage system would go to get the stats
2014-12-30 19:46 <BlueWall> ++
2014-12-30 19:47 <misterblue> that way each individual stats display system doesn't have to tweek everything they want to gather stats from -- add the stat to StatsManager and it is available to every displayer
2014-12-30 19:48 <misterblue> when the dispatcher becomes part of core (hint, hint), might want to create the web fetch of stats use that because the Dispatcher implements some access control
2014-12-30 19:49 <BlueWall> misterblue, you mentioned macaroons, once. I have looked at those. There is no dotnet implementation as far as I can tell.
2014-12-30 19:49 <BlueWall> I have it on python though.
2014-12-30 19:49 <BlueWall> Those are cool
2014-12-30 19:49 <misterblue> ya... it doesn't seem to have been picked up by many
2014-12-30 19:50 <misterblue> I had hoped they'd get some traction because I like the idea of extensible bearer certificates
2014-12-30 19:50 <misterblue> makes decentralized permission passing possible
2014-12-30 19:51 <BlueWall> yep, I like the google oauth2
2014-12-30 20:05 <misterblue> justincc: one question about StatsManager... it is built around individual stats and the number of stats can get big
2014-12-30 20:05 <misterblue> like all the throttles.... per throttle per user can get into hundreds of stats
2014-12-30 20:05 <misterblue> is a number like hundreds or thousands a problem you think?
2014-12-30 20:05 <misterblue> the alternative is some query pass through feature for stats (could get complex)
2014-12-30 20:05 <justincc> misterblue: yeah, I think that has to be dealt with.  My initial thought was some kind of selection for what stats are actually pulled
2014-12-30 20:05 <misterblue> I'm thinking that thousands of stats in a few hash tables won't be a problem... what is your feeling?
2014-12-30 20:05 <justincc> e.g. somewhere to specify "server.*" if you only want to gather server stats
2014-12-30 20:05 <misterblue> it has that
2014-12-30 20:06 <justincc> it does?
2014-12-30 20:06 <misterblue> one can specify the container or category already
2014-12-30 20:06 <justincc> you mean when requesting stats via the url?
2014-12-30 20:06 <misterblue> container and category can't be wild carded, though (other than 'all')
2014-12-30 20:06 <misterblue> yes
2014-12-30 20:06 <justincc> yeah, my concern is whether you want to control if you even record that data in the first place
2014-12-30 20:07 <misterblue> wget http://server/webstats/?cat=server
2014-12-30 20:07 <justincc> the performance impact of all stats so far is negligible, but if you start recording ltos of per client data that might change
2014-12-30 20:07 <justincc> although, maybe I'm talking complete nonsense
2014-12-30 20:07 <misterblue> most of the stats are 'pull' values (not fetched until someone asks for the stats value -- closures are our friends)
2014-12-30 20:08 <justincc> yeah, I think inclusion of push was uinnecessary now
2014-12-30 20:08 <misterblue> if no one is asking for that stats, their overhead is very near zero
2014-12-30 20:09 <justincc> yeah, it may just be that I need to reuse your approach for the url pull to the "stats record" facility
2014-12-30 20:10 <justincc> or one could argue that a recorder could be entirely external and use your interface
2014-12-30 20:10 <misterblue> one can even select stats on the console: "show stats server.threadpool" will give just server threadpool stats
2014-12-30 20:12 <misterblue> didn't remember this one: "show stats service" gives all the registerd HTTP entries... there is only one 'service'
2014-12-30 20:13 <justincc> service might be the wrong name.  It was basically to show request stats for the different endpoitns
2014-12-30 20:13 <justincc> helpful to determine if something is hammering a particular endpoint
2014-12-30 20:17 <diva> justincc it looks like it's possible to refer to OpenSim.VersionInfo in the mono addin annotations, but the version number cannot have letters like Dev 
2014-12-30 20:17 <diva> it needs to be pure numbes
2014-12-30 20:18 <diva> can we expose just the version number there?
2014-12-30 20:18 <justincc> diva: VERSION_NUMBER itself is 0.8.1.  You're talking about VersionInfo.Version?
2014-12-30 20:18 <diva> something around there
2014-12-30 20:18 <diva> that we can use in all the mono addin declarations
2014-12-30 20:18 <diva> instead of hard coding everywhere
2014-12-30 20:19 <justincc> yeah, could just make it public.  I may take the opportunity to rename is VersionNumber instead since c# style guides say you aren't meant to use that style of constant naming
2014-12-30 20:19 <justincc> not majorly important
2014-12-30 20:19 <diva> ok, let's make it public AND let's make it have 4 digits ok?
2014-12-30 20:19 <justincc> ok
2014-12-30 20:19 <diva> great, I can do that one
2014-12-30 20:21 <diva> one less number to track manually...
2014-12-30 20:23 <nebadon_laptop> diva did tp fail for you too?>
2014-12-30 20:24 <diva> no
2014-12-30 20:24 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2014-12-30 20:24 <BlueWall> my hg avatar made it ok
2014-12-30 20:24 <nebadon_laptop> my HG avatar couldnt make it to Keynote 1
2014-12-30 20:27 <diva> justincc do you mind if I move VersionInfo to OpenSim.Framework.dll?
2014-12-30 20:28 <diva> It seems that we are using it to denote much more than the server version
2014-12-30 20:28 <diva> server dll
2014-12-30 20:28 <justincc> diva: sounds good to me
2014-12-30 20:28 <diva> great
2014-12-30 20:58 <diva> cmickeyb, BlueWall, here's what my modules now have:
2014-12-30 20:58 <diva> [assembly: Addin("Diva.Modules", OpenSim.VersionInfo.VERSION_NUMBER + ".1")]
2014-12-30 20:58 <diva> [assembly: AddinDependency("OpenSim.Region.Framework", OpenSim.VersionInfo.VERSION_NUMBER)]
2014-12-30 20:59 <cmickeyb> diva: looks good!
2014-12-30 20:59 <BlueWall> ok, thanks
2014-12-30 21:00 <justincc> I never noticed VersionInfo was just in the OpenSim namespace before
2014-12-30 21:01 <justincc> does it make sense for it to be in the OpenSim.Framework namespace to avoid an additional using requirement in every module?
2014-12-30 21:01 <justincc> I guess the way you're doing it there is no using requirement though
2014-12-30 21:01 <justincc> and makes more sense to see it explicitly anyway perhaps
2014-12-30 21:02 <diva> either. Want me to chamge it? I kinda like it like this
2014-12-30 21:02 <justincc> seems ok as it is
2014-12-30 21:06 <BlueWall> justincc - when you get a couple of min, could you ahve a look at this license? https://raw.githubusercontent.com/oetiker/rrdtool-1.x/master/COPYRIGHT . Thanks
2014-12-30 21:10 <justincc> BlueWall: what about it in particular?
2014-12-30 21:11 <BlueWall> It works for us?
2014-12-30 21:11 <justincc> in as much as it's a GPL license with a floss exception, yes.  Though I still don't know about the issues where one might have to make the GPL part always publicly available.  Also, it's a bunch of C code.
2014-12-30 21:12 <BlueWall> He has dotnet bindings
2014-12-30 21:12 <BlueWall> and just about any other language you can think of.
2014-12-30 21:15 <nebadon_laptop> thats a very popular tool
2014-12-30 21:15 <BlueWall> you can record years of data on it
2014-12-30 21:16 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-12-30 21:16 <nebadon_laptop> many stats packages use it for graphing stats for apache and system stats 
2014-12-30 21:16 <BlueWall> and, you can point monitoring software at your rrdb to get years of readouts
2014-12-30 21:16 <BlueWall> cacti does pretty good with it
2014-12-30 21:16 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-12-30 21:16 <justincc> yeah, it may well ultimately make more sense to record data into that rather than the current format if one doesn't pull data externally
2014-12-30 21:16 <nebadon_laptop> thats the one i was thinking of
2014-12-30 21:17 <BlueWall> it is the 'standard' way 
2014-12-30 21:17 <justincc> at the top of https://github.com/oetiker/rrdtool-1.x/blob/master/bindings/dotnet/rrdlib.cs it says 64-bit platform not yet supported though, which is disoncerting
2014-12-30 21:17 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-12-30 21:17 <justincc> ok
2014-12-30 21:17 <BlueWall> I think if you want to store the data, it would be a good place.
2014-12-30 21:18 <justincc> it's more or less a bunch of bindings to the underlying clib, so don't know why that is
2014-12-30 21:18 <BlueWall> hmm, I guess that is some c/c++ module
2014-12-30 21:18 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2014-12-30 21:18 <BlueWall> we can think about it for a few days
2014-12-30 21:18 <justincc> yeah, definitely something to bear in mind.  The current 'format' was only experimental.  As always, a rushed approach was driven by the need to get something done very quickyl
2014-12-30 21:18 <BlueWall> yes
2014-12-30 21:18 <BlueWall> it was good.
2014-12-30 21:19 <justincc> ok, I need to east.  Back later
2014-12-30 21:19 <BlueWall> Whith this, you create a rrdb that is a fixed size and it expects updates at a particular time.
2014-12-30 21:22 <djphil_> BlueWall : Hi, have you found your original "timer.js" ?
2014-12-30 21:22 <BlueWall> djphil_, no. But, I found a replacement.
2014-12-30 21:22 <BlueWall> That will run now.
2014-12-30 21:23 <djphil_> ha great!
2014-12-30 21:23 <djphil_> where i can get it ?
2014-12-30 21:23 <BlueWall> http://ascent.bluewallgroup.com/~jamesh/simstats.html
2014-12-30 21:23 <djphil_> ty
2014-12-30 21:23 <djphil_> it work :)
2014-12-30 21:24 <djphil_> i'm working on different graph using dynamic textures
2014-12-30 21:25 <BlueWall> hmm, I need to find the one on opensimulator.org. I thought I updated it. But it looks like the old one.
2014-12-30 21:26 <djphil_> http://www.imagerun.info/img189/4osrcxea4476gbee.jpg
2014-12-30 21:26 <BlueWall> nice
2014-12-30 21:28 <BlueWall> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/UXSimStatus
2014-12-30 21:31 <djphil_> cool, ty for sharing
2014-12-30 21:33 <djphil_> it work for my sim too now :)
2014-12-30 21:34 <BlueWall> nice. It took me a while to get around to updating it. Maybe it will work for a while now :)
2014-12-30 21:34 <djphil_> yes, Hopefully this is!
2014-12-30 21:38 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2014-12-30 22:44 <cmickeyb> justinccAfk, i think that branch is ready to merge if you want to look it over first
2014-12-30 23:09 <justincc> cmickeyb: ok
2014-12-30 23:10 <justincc> diva: can we rename VERSION_NUMBER to VersionNumber when its made public?
2014-12-30 23:10 <diva> ok
2014-12-30 23:10 <justincc> thanks
2014-12-30 23:11 <diva> how do we make stuff happen during prebuild? Like copying files elsewhere?
2014-12-30 23:12 <diva> what are all buildActions?
2014-12-30 23:14 <justincc> diva: that's a problem.  It's only possible in nant afaik.  When prebuild is generated it inserts the file .nant/local.include into OpenSim.build.  I'm not aware that this kidn of stuff can be done in xbuild, though then I don't know what the solution is for performing tasks at build time
2014-12-30 23:15 <cmickeyb> like this?
2014-12-30 23:15 <cmickeyb>      <Match pattern="*.ini.example" buildAction="Copy" destination="../../../bin/config/" />
2014-12-30 23:15 <diva> yes! thanks Mic!
2014-12-30 23:15 <justincc> sorry, didn't realize you were talking at that level
2014-12-30 23:15 <diva> np
2014-12-30 23:16 <cmickeyb> i think i found some of those by digging through the prebuild source code
2014-12-30 23:16 <cmickeyb> there are actually a few in there
2014-12-30 23:17 <diva> that's what I was about to do...
2014-12-30 23:17 <diva> that made it faster :)
2014-12-30 23:27 <diva> I'm pushing all these changes up...
2014-12-30 23:30 <diva> ok that's all. Testing appreciated!
2014-12-30 23:30 <BlueWall> :)
2014-12-30 23:33 <BlueWall> <Reference name="NetMQ" path="../Lib" localCopy="true" />
2014-12-30 23:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #3939 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-12-30 23:34 <BlueWall> If you ship dll in your module source you can copy it to the bin directory like that. In this case the dll is in the ../Lib dierctory.
2014-12-30 23:35 <BlueWall> Files that are not dll can be done as Mic said with the buildAction="Copy"
2014-12-30 23:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3939: SUCCESS in 9 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3939/
2014-12-30 23:38 <osjenkins> * diva: Added AssemblyInfo.cs to OpenSim.exe
2014-12-30 23:38 <osjenkins> * diva: Updated Mono.Addins to version 1.2 (https://github.com/mono/mono-addins/releases/tag/mono-addins-1.2). Also included mautil.exe, the command line application for managing mono addins.
2014-12-30 23:38 <osjenkins> * diva: Added SharpZipLib's license.
2014-12-30 23:38 <osjenkins> * diva: Updated OpenSim-as-addin version from 0.5 to 0.8.1. The addin version number doesn't need to match the release version number, but I think it's a very good idea that they do.
2014-12-30 23:38 <osjenkins> * diva: WARNING: BREAKING CHANGES FOR REGION MODULE DEVELOPMENT.
2014-12-30 23:38 <osjenkins> * diva: This cleans up versioning. Specifically:
2014-12-30 23:38 <osjenkins> * diva: Renamed VERSION_NUMBER to VersionNumber
2014-12-31 00:24 <justincc> cmickeyb: mb-throttle-test looks good to me.  Could you merge it?  I just realized I would need to do branch stuff at my end which you will already have set up.
2014-12-31 00:24 <cmickeyb> ok
2014-12-31 00:24 <justincc> thanks
2014-12-31 00:26 <cmickeyb> i need to head out... do me a favor and keep an eye on the tests
2014-12-31 00:26 <cmickeyb> merge was clean
2014-12-31 00:26 <cmickeyb> send me an email if anything breaks
2014-12-31 00:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #3940 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-12-31 00:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3940: SUCCESS in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3940/
2014-12-31 00:31 <osjenkins> * cmickeyb: Add debugging code for simulating packet loss in outgoing UDP packets. The
2014-12-31 00:31 <osjenkins> * cmickeyb: Enable runtime configuration of the minimum rate for adaptive
2014-12-31 00:31 <osjenkins> * cmickeyb: Change the effect of successfully acknowledged packets to bump the
2014-12-31 00:31 <osjenkins> * cmickeyb: Fix the throttle tests. Remove the hardcoded constant multipliers and
2014-12-31 00:31 <osjenkins> * cmickeyb: Another technique inspired by some of the newer flow control algorithms... rather
2014-12-31 00:31 <osjenkins> * cmickeyb: Turn on logging of old acks, this is for debugging only, stats version coming later
2014-12-31 00:31 <osjenkins> * cmickeyb: Comment out the debugging statements added in the last commit. Keeping
2014-12-31 02:58 <diva> BlueWall ping
2014-12-31 03:07 <Ken_S> Just updated and sims freeze after the following line:
2014-12-31 03:07 <Ken_S> PLEASE WAIT FOR LOGINS TO BE ENABLED ON REGIONS ONCE SCRIPTS HAVE STARTED.  Non-
2014-12-31 03:07 <Ken_S> script portion of startup took 0m 3s.
2014-12-31 03:07 <Ken_S> Region (root) #
2014-12-31 03:07 <diva> did you make a clean install?
2014-12-31 03:07 <diva> this one needs to be a clean slate
2014-12-31 03:08 <Ken_S> A batch file wipes out all .dlls, exe, etc files then copies new ones.
2014-12-31 03:09 <diva> addins registry?
2014-12-31 03:09 <Ken_S> I need to remove all add-ins?
2014-12-31 03:09 <diva> the opensim ones, not the 3rd party
2014-12-31 03:09 <diva> although the 3rd party won't work
2014-12-31 03:09 <diva> probably
2014-12-31 03:09 <diva> not sure
2014-12-31 03:10 <diva> they might
2014-12-31 03:10 <diva> but the opensim ones you should clean it uyp
2014-12-31 03:10 <Ken_S> I'll retry by removing and not compiling any add-ins
2014-12-31 03:10 <diva> they're usually in bin/addin-db-xxxx
2014-12-31 03:15 <Ken_S> Very odd... I see red error messages zip by when compiling using compile.bat, but no errors when compiled in IDE.
2014-12-31 03:15 <Ken_S> Will try again with it compiled from IDE
2014-12-31 03:20 <dahlia> diva: I think master is broken, it seems to get to the point where it tries to load plugins and then does nothing. Is there some config that has to change?
2014-12-31 03:21 <diva> no config changes, but you'll need a complete clean install
2014-12-31 03:21 <dahlia> it was
2014-12-31 03:21 <diva> ok, let me try on another machine
2014-12-31 03:31 <Ken_S> I removed everything in addon-modules folder before compiling, then deleted the bin/addin-db-xxxx folder for every instance.
2014-12-31 03:31 <Ken_S> It is still freezing here:
2014-12-31 03:31 <Ken_S> PLEASE WAIT FOR LOGINS TO BE ENABLED ON REGIONS ONCE SCRIPTS HAVE STARTED.  Non-
2014-12-31 03:31 <Ken_S> script portion of startup took 0m 22s.
2014-12-31 03:31 <Ken_S> Region (root) #
2014-12-31 03:31 <dahlia> ya similar place for me
2014-12-31 03:31 <ox64-p> .stats
2014-12-31 03:31 <ox64-p> oh oops
2014-12-31 03:32 <Ken_S> dahlia, are you using Diva's wifi?
2014-12-31 03:32 <dahlia> no
2014-12-31 03:32 <dahlia> just robust
2014-12-31 03:32 <Ken_S> I was using Robust and wifi.
2014-12-31 03:33 <dahlia> I rolled back 3-4 commits and the region works fine
2014-12-31 03:33 <dahlia> so whatever it is is very recent
2014-12-31 03:33 <Ken_S> So something in last 4?
2014-12-31 03:33 <dahlia> ya
2014-12-31 03:34 <dahlia> 3-4
2014-12-31 03:34 <dahlia> 5410e4f1f9f55dfa77c5fee8e879ec7e5183764e works
2014-12-31 03:34 <diva> well I just tred a clean install and it works
2014-12-31 03:34 <diva> I was sort of hoping it woudln't
2014-12-31 03:35 <diva> so I could identify the issue
2014-12-31 03:35 <dahlia> Im sure I did a fresh install. New clone and everything
2014-12-31 03:35 <dahlia> all I copied was ini files
2014-12-31 03:36 <dahlia> let me try again
2014-12-31 03:36 <diva> this was in linux too. My test machine is windows
2014-12-31 03:37 <dahlia> ya linix
2014-12-31 03:37 <diva> did you runprebuild?
2014-12-31 03:37 <dahlia> ya
2014-12-31 03:37 <dahlia> have to
2014-12-31 03:37 <dahlia> I think?
2014-12-31 03:37 <dahlia> dunno I usually build on windows and then scp to linux
2014-12-31 03:37 <dahlia> I did runprebuild.sh and xbuild
2014-12-31 03:38 <diva> did you leabe OpenSim.addin.xml around?
2014-12-31 03:38 <diva> in bin?
2014-12-31 03:38 <diva> the entire bin folder neeeds to go
2014-12-31 03:38 <dahlia> I dont think so, only copied Regions/ config-include/ and *.ini
2014-12-31 03:38 <diva> OpenSim.addins.xml needs to go
2014-12-31 03:38 <diva> it wa git deleted
2014-12-31 03:39 <dahlia> k trying again
2014-12-31 03:40 <dahlia> I switched back to HEAD and that file is still in bin
2014-12-31 03:41 <dahlia> so maybe still in repo?
2014-12-31 03:41 <dahlia> I'll clone again and make sure
2014-12-31 03:42 <diva> I don't see it
2014-12-31 03:42 <diva> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=tree&p=opensim&h=37193d59e86d940c2759f79189bf91526868bef5&hb=bc7570e59c17a60ed8941477f30f1f0a8fecd4e2&f=bin
2014-12-31 03:43 <dahlia> fresh clone has bin/Mono.Addins.xml
2014-12-31 03:43 <diva> that's not what I wrote
2014-12-31 03:43 <dahlia> oh
2014-12-31 03:43 <dahlia> misread, sryu
2014-12-31 03:45 <diva> the symptoms you and Ken_S are describing happen when there's something broken with the addins. The existence of the ols OpenSim.addins.xml would do it
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2014-12-31 03:46 <dahlia> also trying on linux
2014-12-31 03:49 <Ken_S> I just did another fresh pull and compiled. The OpenSim.addins.xml does not exist in any bin folders.
2014-12-31 03:49 <dahlia> nope definately borked
2014-12-31 03:49 <Ken_S> All add-ins have been removed. Restarting now...
2014-12-31 03:49 <dahlia> brand new clone and compile
2014-12-31 03:49 <dahlia> no xml file
2014-12-31 03:50 <diva> ok, this is going to be hard to diagnose I'm afraid
2014-12-31 03:50 <dahlia> kk I'll rollback
2014-12-31 03:51 <dahlia> suggestions how far?
2014-12-31 03:51 <Ken_S> Upon restart, the first sim went past the freeze point.
2014-12-31 03:52 <Ken_S> Waiting to see how other instances behave
2014-12-31 03:52 <dahlia> I think a lot of that stuff is async so may not always be in the same order
2014-12-31 03:52 <diva> addin loading is not async
2014-12-31 03:53 <dahlia> no but the stuff before
2014-12-31 03:53 <dahlia> no addins get loaded for me
2014-12-31 03:55 <Ken_S> Not sure what made the difference, but sims appear to be starting this time.
2014-12-31 03:55 <diva> great
2014-12-31 03:56 <dahlia> could there be any bad files in Regions/ or config-include/ ?
2014-12-31 03:56 <dahlia> I go back 2 versions and it works
2014-12-31 03:56 <dahlia> 2 commits
2014-12-31 03:56 <diva> I didn't touch the configs so far. It must be some old file...
2014-12-31 03:57 <Ken_S> dahlia, did you try removing all your add-ins and deleteing all the bin/addin-db-xxxx folders?
2014-12-31 03:57 <dahlia> Ken_S: I made a new bin folder and I copied *.ini, Regions/, and config-include/
2014-12-31 03:58 <dahlia> so thats all that was in there
2014-12-31 03:58 <Ken_S> There were bin/addin-db-xxxx folders in the Robust bin folder too. I also deleted those
2014-12-31 03:58 <dahlia> then I rsynced the bin over it from a fresh clone and build
2014-12-31 03:58 <Ken_S> You also updated Robust?
2014-12-31 03:58 <dahlia> if theres any bin/addin* its from the repo
2014-12-31 03:58 <dahlia> not updating robust
2014-12-31 03:59 <dahlia> only trying a region
2014-12-31 03:59 <Ken_S> OK now I am seeing some sims freezing again at that same exact point.
2014-12-31 03:59 <diva> are they all running off the same tree?
2014-12-31 03:59 <Ken_S> But up to that point the prior ones appear to have started normally
2014-12-31 04:00 <Ken_S> Yes.
2014-12-31 04:00 <diva> same machine? 
2014-12-31 04:00 <Ken_S> Yes
2014-12-31 04:00 <diva> linux?
2014-12-31 04:00 <dahlia> Im just doing a single region in its own bin folder
2014-12-31 04:00 <Ken_S> Robust and sims on same server
2014-12-31 04:01 <diva> linux?
2014-12-31 04:01 <dahlia> I'm also compiling and running with mono 3.99.wtfBleedingEdgeIPulledACoupleHoursAgo
2014-12-31 04:03 <diva> do the modules load at all?
2014-12-31 04:03 <dahlia> seems to be working after I rolled back 2 commits
2014-12-31 04:03 <diva> that doesn't help
2014-12-31 04:04 <diva> diagnosing
2014-12-31 04:04 <dahlia> when it failed, I did not see any addin modules load at all
2014-12-31 04:05 <diva> which 2 commits do you go back?
2014-12-31 04:06 <diva> the latest commits I see are from Mic
2014-12-31 04:06 <dahlia> running 5bb73793c73bfb40d90c99c0fd1f2f21425a2c0f now
2014-12-31 04:08 <diva> so just the version number renamig?!
2014-12-31 04:08 <Ken_S> There appears to be a pattern on the instances that wont start for me, but thats not the issue Dahlia has.
2014-12-31 04:08 <diva> does that commit have bin/OpenSim.addins.xml in it?
2014-12-31 04:08 <dahlia> dont know how to get that from git command line :)
2014-12-31 04:09 <dahlia> sec
2014-12-31 04:09 <dahlia> that one does, yes
2014-12-31 04:09 <diva> and if you move to head that file is gone?
2014-12-31 04:10 <dahlia> still there if I do git checkout HEAD
2014-12-31 04:10 <diva> errr... then there's something wrong
2014-12-31 04:10 <diva> at head that file should not exist
2014-12-31 04:10 <dahlia> however, when I cloned it wasnt there
2014-12-31 04:11 <dahlia> I can clone again if you like
2014-12-31 04:11 <diva> I don't understand how that file is there when you checkout head
2014-12-31 04:12 <diva> doesn't checkout keep track of deleted files?
2014-12-31 04:12 <dahlia> dunno, I am git challenged :)
2014-12-31 04:12 <diva> if you checkout head is that file tracked?
2014-12-31 04:12 <diva> git status bin/OpenSIm.addins.xml
2014-12-31 04:13 <dahlia> opensim@ns504960:~/src/opensim$ git status bin/OpenSIm.addins.xml
2014-12-31 04:13 <dahlia> HEAD detached at 5bb7379
2014-12-31 04:13 <diva> ?!
2014-12-31 04:13 <diva> 5bb is not head
2014-12-31 04:14 <dahlia> *shrug*
2014-12-31 04:14 <diva> Ken_S what's the pattern?
2014-12-31 04:14 <dahlia> bbiab, need eye meds. Willing to help more in a few minutes
2014-12-31 04:16 <Ken_S> Diva, I am still using the 32 bit launcher on a few instances to save memory.
2014-12-31 04:16 <Ken_S> Those appear to now be the only instances that freeze
2014-12-31 04:17 <diva> interesting
2014-12-31 04:17 <Ken_S> Dahlia is NOT using the 32 bit launcher at all, so that's not the issue there
2014-12-31 04:18 <Ken_S> Even on the sims that started OK, there was a long pause after those same lines in the log.
2014-12-31 04:18 <diva> did the sims start ok? You can login to them?
2014-12-31 04:18 <Ken_S> I need to try that... hold a sec...
2014-12-31 04:19 <diva> the long pause is the scripts starting
2014-12-31 04:19 <diva> usually
2014-12-31 04:21 <diva> brb
2014-12-31 04:22 <Ken_S> Diva, I cannot login to my grid anywhere.
2014-12-31 04:23 <Ken_S> Viewer says "Login failed.  Error generating login response."
2014-12-31 04:27 <Ken_S> diva, I sent you a pm that contains the text from the Robust console when I try to login
2014-12-31 04:33 <dahlia> back
2014-12-31 04:35 <diva> Ken_S that looks like some misconfiguration of Robust
2014-12-31 04:35 <diva> looks like UserService was not initialized or something
2014-12-31 04:35 <diva> that is not related to the addins 
2014-12-31 04:35 <diva> maybe you forgot some ini file when you updated your robust server?
2014-12-31 04:35 <Ken_S> diva, do I need to remove all references to wifi in the ini files (Robust) now that I removed wifi?
2014-12-31 04:36 <diva> you don't need to remove wifi at robust
2014-12-31 04:36 <diva> you can put it back
2014-12-31 04:36 <diva> robust has absolutely nothing to do witj the changes i made today
2014-12-31 04:38 <diva> dahlia, can you go to a clean head, run it and show me the entire log?
2014-12-31 04:38 <dahlia> kk give me a few
2014-12-31 04:38 <diva> and by clean head I mean something that doesn't have OpenSim.addins.xml in it
2014-12-31 04:38 <dahlia> I'll clone again
2014-12-31 04:41 <dahlia> opensim@ns504960:~/src/opensim$ ls -al bin/*.addins.xml
2014-12-31 04:41 <dahlia> ls: cannot access bin/*.addins.xml: No such file or directory
2014-12-31 04:41 <diva> good! :)
2014-12-31 04:41 <diva> spin it and show me the entire log
2014-12-31 04:42 <dahlia> need to build and stuff
2014-12-31 04:42 <diva> hold on
2014-12-31 04:42 <diva> it's addin.xml
2014-12-31 04:42 <diva> singular I think
2014-12-31 04:42 <diva> grep again
2014-12-31 04:42 <dahlia> opensim@ns504960:~/src/opensim$ ls -al bin/*addin*.xml
2014-12-31 04:42 <dahlia> ls: cannot access bin/*addin*.xml: No such file or directory
2014-12-31 04:43 <dahlia> ok?
2014-12-31 04:43 <diva> ok
2014-12-31 04:43 <diva> also no addins-db* folder?
2014-12-31 04:44 <dahlia> sec its building
2014-12-31 04:44 <diva> under bin
2014-12-31 04:44 <dahlia> opensim@ns504960:~/src/opensim$ ls -al bin/*addin*
2014-12-31 04:44 <dahlia> ls: cannot access bin/*addin*: No such file or directory
2014-12-31 04:46 <dahlia> find . -print | grep addin 
2014-12-31 04:46 <dahlia> *nada
2014-12-31 04:47 <diva> good :)
2014-12-31 04:47 <dahlia> noworkie
2014-12-31 04:47 <dahlia> PLEASE WAIT FOR LOGINS TO BE ENABLED ON REGIONS ONCE SCRIPTS HAVE STARTED.  Non-script portion of startup took 0m 0s.
2014-12-31 04:47 <dahlia> last line
2014-12-31 04:48 <diva> show me the entire log
2014-12-31 04:48 <diva> pastebin
2014-12-31 04:51 <Ken_S> diva, removing wifi without commenting out references to wifi in Robust.ini was apparently the login issue.
2014-12-31 04:51 <dahlia> diva: http://pastebin.com/YzNb0JSQ
2014-12-31 04:51 <diva> that sounds right
2014-12-31 04:51 <diva> dahlia
2014-12-31 04:51 <diva> that doesn't seem complete
2014-12-31 04:52 <dahlia> its all of it
2014-12-31 04:52 <diva> it doesn't show the last line you just pasted up there
2014-12-31 04:52 <dahlia> oh
2014-12-31 04:52 <dahlia> I ctrl-c'd out
2014-12-31 04:52 <dahlia> maybe didnt flush
2014-12-31 04:52 <dahlia> try again
2014-12-31 04:55 <dahlia> diva: http://pastebin.com/rLcV6xEG
2014-12-31 05:01 <dahlia> wb
2014-12-31 05:01 <dahlia> diva: http://pastebin.com/rLcV6xEG
2014-12-31 05:02 <diva> my network went down
2014-12-31 05:02 <dahlia> 
ACTION blames the cat

2014-12-31 05:03 <Ken_S> After putting the wifi source files back in the addon-modules folder and recompiling, things seem back to normal so far.
2014-12-31 05:04 <dahlia> I dont have wifi
2014-12-31 05:04 <Ken_S> Even the sims using the 32 bit launcher are not freezing on startup.
2014-12-31 05:04 <diva> dahlia I still don't see that line
2014-12-31 05:04 <diva> and I see a shutdown
2014-12-31 05:04 <diva> in the log
2014-12-31 05:04 <diva> so this cant be the right log...
2014-12-31 05:04 <Ken_S> dahlia, yes your issue is different.
2014-12-31 05:04 <dahlia> diva: thats a fresh run
2014-12-31 05:05 <diva> but dahlia it doesn't even say PLEASE WAIT FOR LOGINS TO BE ENABLED ON REGIONS ONCE SCRIPTS HAVE STARTED.
2014-12-31 05:05 <diva> Ken_S so you can login ok and everything in world is ok?
2014-12-31 05:05 <diva> scripts working ?
2014-12-31 05:05 <dahlia> diva: its not in the file either
2014-12-31 05:06 <Ken_S> diva, checking things now...
2014-12-31 05:06 <dahlia> maybe that message isnt logged?
2014-12-31 05:13 <Ken_S> diva, scripts seem ok, but still same TP issues when a var is involved lol
2014-12-31 05:13 <diva> so no changes?
2014-12-31 05:14 <Ken_S> I rezzed Neb's racer and it flew off into the sunset, but next one rezzed ok.
2014-12-31 05:14 <Ken_S> Probably not related to these changes
2014-12-31 05:14 <diva> yeah, looks ok 
2014-12-31 05:14 <diva> dahlia your log is weird
2014-12-31 05:14 <dahlia> ?
2014-12-31 05:14 <diva> some of the important addins are missing
2014-12-31 05:14 <dahlia> ya none load
2014-12-31 05:15 <dahlia> yet if I go back 2 commits, all works
2014-12-31 05:16 <diva> it's not 2 commits
2014-12-31 05:16 <diva> you're going off to a completely different branch of the commit tree
2014-12-31 05:16 <diva> that's mic's branch
2014-12-31 05:17 <dahlia> huh? thats git master
2014-12-31 05:17 <dahlia> fresh clone
2014-12-31 05:17 <diva> you're just not interpreting the log history right
2014-12-31 05:18 <diva> when you say "back 2 commits"
2014-12-31 05:18 <dahlia> git clone git://opensimulator.org/git/opensim
2014-12-31 05:18 <diva> you're not going back 2 commits
2014-12-31 05:18 <dahlia> no
2014-12-31 05:18 <dahlia> that log is from head
2014-12-31 05:18 <dahlia> the one that works is 2 back
2014-12-31 05:18 <diva> you're going to a commit that corresponds to mic's branch
2014-12-31 05:18 <diva> before he merges
2014-12-31 05:18 <dahlia> no
2014-12-31 05:18 <dahlia> that is a fresh clone
2014-12-31 05:19 <dahlia> no checkout
2014-12-31 05:19 <diva> sigh
2014-12-31 05:19 <diva> I'm not even going to try to explain... :)
2014-12-31 05:19 <diva> mic and I were working in parallel
2014-12-31 05:19 <diva> so what you see in the sequence is not the real timeline
2014-12-31 05:19 <dahlia> ya I saw that in the log
2014-12-31 05:19 <dahlia> yes, but the code I just ran and produced that log is a fresh clone 
2014-12-31 05:20 <diva> yes
2014-12-31 05:20 <diva> I'm just saying that when you  say "back 2 commits" is actually not back 2 commits
2014-12-31 05:20 <dahlia> no checkout, its HEAD
2014-12-31 05:20 <diva> i know!
2014-12-31 05:20 <diva> all I'm saying is about your expression "back 2 commits"
2014-12-31 05:20 <dahlia> ya ok
2014-12-31 05:21 <diva> it's not back 2 commits
2014-12-31 05:21 <dahlia> 2 in the master log :)
2014-12-31 05:22 <dahlia> kk well want to give me a hash to try?
2014-12-31 05:23 <diva> do you set the confog var RegistryLocation by any chance?
2014-12-31 05:23 <dahlia> dont think so, is it in OpenSim.ini?
2014-12-31 05:24 <diva> not even. It's in OPenSimDefaults.ini
2014-12-31 05:24 <diva> yo would have to set it somewhere else
2014-12-31 05:25 <dahlia> cant find it with grep
2014-12-31 05:25 <dahlia> only in the .examples
2014-12-31 05:26 <diva> then yuo don't
2014-12-31 05:26 <diva> you said you updated mono?
2014-12-31 05:26 <diva> which version?
2014-12-31 05:27 <dahlia> tried both bleeding blood gushing and 3.2.8
2014-12-31 05:27 <diva> 3.2?!
2014-12-31 05:27 <diva> like... old?
2014-12-31 05:27 <dahlia> 3.2.8 is mono-complete in debian unstable
2014-12-31 05:28 <diva> so they both behaved this same on head?
2014-12-31 05:28 <dahlia> same
2014-12-31 05:28 <dahlia> new one is Mono JIT compiler version 3.99.0 (master/fe37c24 Tue 30 Dec 18:38:03 EST 2014)
2014-12-31 05:29 <diva> I don't know what to tell you. There's something wrong with OpenSim.exe-as-addin, according to your log it doesn't even get detected
2014-12-31 05:30 <dahlia> is that a file?
2014-12-31 05:30 <diva> yeah, OPenSim.exe itself
2014-12-31 05:30 <dahlia> oh
2014-12-31 05:31 <dahlia> have a hash I should try?
2014-12-31 05:31 <diva> I can give you a hash, prior to changing this, and that will work, but taht doesn't help
2014-12-31 05:31 <dahlia> will help me :)
2014-12-31 05:31 <diva> well if you just want to make it work you can go back your "2 commits back" :)
2014-12-31 05:32 <dahlia> lol
2014-12-31 05:32 <diva> I would like to understabd why it doesn't work
2014-12-31 05:32 <dahlia> I'd like you too also
2014-12-31 05:32 <dahlia> assuming its related to what you were doing
2014-12-31 05:32 <diva> yes it is
2014-12-31 05:32 <diva> this is square on it
2014-12-31 05:33 <dahlia> kk will willing to try stuff
2014-12-31 05:33 <diva> this has to do with the changes I made about how opensim uses mono addins
2014-12-31 05:33 <diva> see...
2014-12-31 05:33 <diva> let me show you a healthy log
2014-12-31 05:33 <dahlia> got lots of those ;)
2014-12-31 05:33 <diva> http://pastebin.com/E17C9jBH
2014-12-31 05:34 <diva> notice that OpenSim itself is loaded
2014-12-31 05:34 <diva> as an addin
2014-12-31 05:34 <dahlia> I get 0 addins loaded
2014-12-31 05:34 <diva> before the plugin loader tries to get the extension point /OpenSim/Startup
2014-12-31 05:34 <diva> that's the correct sequence of events
2014-12-31 05:34 <diva> if it tries to load that extension point before OpenSim is loaded, it won't find any
2014-12-31 05:35 <diva> in yout log, that's what happens
2014-12-31 05:35 <dahlia> ok
2014-12-31 05:35 <diva> so the question is why
2014-12-31 05:35 <diva> why isn't it loading OpenSim.exe as an addin
2014-12-31 05:37 <dahlia> I've been hacking up this server quite a bit today but the whole grid seems to be working well except for that one region which I built with mono
2014-12-31 05:37 <dahlia> and its also git master head
2014-12-31 05:37 <dahlia> the others are older
2014-12-31 05:37 <diva> which version of mono did you use to build it?
2014-12-31 05:37 <dahlia> Ive used both
2014-12-31 05:37 <diva> ok
2014-12-31 05:37 <diva> Ken_S are you also in linux or are yuo in windows?
2014-12-31 05:39 <Ken_S> diva, I am Windows Server 2013
2014-12-31 05:39 <diva> ok
2014-12-31 05:40 <diva> dahlia can you try something for me
2014-12-31 05:41 <diva> instead of me using master to try things for yuo
2014-12-31 05:41 <dahlia> sure
2014-12-31 05:41 <diva> can yuo edit OpenSim/Region/Application/OpenSimBase.cs
2014-12-31 05:41 <dahlia> in vi
2014-12-31 05:41 <diva> and in line 193
2014-12-31 05:42 <diva> before line 193, can you add a sleep
2014-12-31 05:42 <diva> make it sleep for a couple of se
2014-12-31 05:42 <diva> secs
2014-12-31 05:42 <diva> I want to check if this is a timing issue
2014-12-31 05:43 <dahlia> before or after loader.Load("/OpenSim/Startup");
2014-12-31 05:43 <diva> before
2014-12-31 05:44 <dahlia> whats the call? Application.Sleep()?
2014-12-31 05:44 <diva> just give it a little bit more time before it tries to load those extensions
2014-12-31 05:44 <dahlia> using vi, no completion
2014-12-31 05:44 <diva> 1 sec
2014-12-31 05:44 <Ken_S> diva, a timing issue makes sense.
2014-12-31 05:45 <Ken_S> It seems once all mine got into the 32GB memory cache, 
2014-12-31 05:45 <diva> dahlia
2014-12-31 05:45 <diva>                     Thread.Sleep(2000);
2014-12-31 05:45 <Ken_S> it was ok after restarting
2014-12-31 05:45 <diva> but you need to include System.Threading
2014-12-31 05:46 <diva> I can tell yuo, though. If this is a timing issue, it has been here forever, we've just been lucky!
2014-12-31 05:46 <diva> maybe what I did speeds things up!
2014-12-31 05:47 <dahlia> System.Threading.Thread.Sleep(2000);
2014-12-31 05:48 <Ken_S> diva, have to hit the sack.   Hope you find it soon so you can too!
2014-12-31 05:48 <diva> thanks
2014-12-31 05:48 <dahlia> noworkie
2014-12-31 05:48 <diva> same? can you show me the log?
2014-12-31 05:50 <dahlia> diva: last few lines copied from console http://pastebin.com/sxymAm4k
2014-12-31 05:50 <diva> oh wow
2014-12-31 05:50 <diva> thagt's even worse
2014-12-31 05:50 <diva> no addins were loaded
2014-12-31 05:50 <diva> that's good :)
2014-12-31 05:50 <diva> looks like we're scratching the itch
2014-12-31 05:50 <dahlia> worse is good :D
2014-12-31 05:52 <diva> lemme go look in the mono adins source code
2014-12-31 06:07 <diva> hmm, no, this doesnt seem to have anything async in it
2014-12-31 06:07 <dahlia> hmmm
2014-12-31 06:08 <dahlia> thought maybe some of the startup stuff was but could be mistaken
2014-12-31 06:08 <diva> I'm looking at the source code of mono addins
2014-12-31 06:08 <dahlia> oh
2014-12-31 06:09 <diva> there are some events being raise, but everything is sync, so things should happen in sequence
2014-12-31 06:09 <dahlia> Im thinking stuff like region modules processing events during startuo
2014-12-31 06:09 <dahlia> like RegionLoaded and friends
2014-12-31 06:10 <Ken_S> Diva, it seems I can no longer reset or recompoile scripts even in admin mode
2014-12-31 06:10 <diva> ok, dso if you run it again with that delay do you get the exact same log
2014-12-31 06:10 <Ken_S> Also scripts that activate by touch are doing nothing.
2014-12-31 06:11 <Ken_S> But those that activate on startup and play sounds are working.
2014-12-31 06:11 <dahlia> that last paste was the last few lines of the log, as copied from the console
2014-12-31 06:11 <dahlia> want again?
2014-12-31 06:11 <diva> yes
2014-12-31 06:11 <diva> to see if it's repeatable
2014-12-31 06:11 <diva> or random
2014-12-31 06:12 <dahlia> http://pastebin.com/awbgryCi
2014-12-31 06:12 <diva> ok so exact same
2014-12-31 06:13 <diva> could you remove the sleep and try again
2014-12-31 06:13 <dahlia> sec
2014-12-31 06:14 <dahlia> http://pastebin.com/hVcTGcd6
2014-12-31 06:14 <diva> errr
2014-12-31 06:15 <diva> without the sleep?
2014-12-31 06:15 <dahlia> ya
2014-12-31 06:15 <dahlia> notice last line?
2014-12-31 06:15 <dahlia> 0 sec
2014-12-31 06:15 <diva> do you see a folder called addins-db* under in?
2014-12-31 06:15 <diva> bin
2014-12-31 06:16 <dahlia> ya
2014-12-31 06:16 <diva> dahlia I'm not worries about that. I'm worried about no addin being detected whatsoever now. 1 hour ago at least 2 or 3 were being detected
2014-12-31 06:16 <dahlia> lots of stuff in it
2014-12-31 06:16 <diva> can you please delete it
2014-12-31 06:16 <diva> delete the entire thing
2014-12-31 06:16 <diva> and try again
2014-12-31 06:16 <diva> I mean delete addins-db
2014-12-31 06:16 <dahlia> deleted the folder
2014-12-31 06:17 <diva> run it again
2014-12-31 06:17 <dahlia> same thing
2014-12-31 06:17 <diva> no plugins loaded>
2014-12-31 06:17 <dahlia> http://pastebin.com/38daz4yD
2014-12-31 06:18 <dahlia> and the folder is back
2014-12-31 06:18 <Ken_S> diva, also found that my av can not edit scripts anymore.
2014-12-31 06:19 <dahlia> so it created and filled that folder
2014-12-31 06:19 <diva> yes
2014-12-31 06:19 <diva> that's what it is supposed to do
2014-12-31 06:19 <dahlia> k
2014-12-31 06:19 <diva> can you tell me what's inside under addin-data/1
2014-12-31 06:20 <diva> is there an OpenSim,0.8.1.0.addin?
2014-12-31 06:21 <dahlia> anything OpenSim is OpenSim.something
2014-12-31 06:21 <dahlia> no OpenSim,anything
2014-12-31 06:21 <diva> how many others?
2014-12-31 06:21 <dahlia> 10ish
2014-12-31 06:22 <diva> is there a Robust one?
2014-12-31 06:22 <dahlia> http://pastebin.com/eqA6ZjYM
2014-12-31 06:23 <diva> uh
2014-12-31 06:23 <diva> so it's really all about the OpenSim one
2014-12-31 06:23 <diva> that's the only one that's missing
2014-12-31 06:24 <diva> are yuo absolutely sure you don't have am addin.xml somewhere>
2014-12-31 06:24 <dahlia> could it be like a case sensitivity thing? windows isnt case sensitive
2014-12-31 06:24 <diva> no...
2014-12-31 06:24 <diva> I have tested this in linux too
2014-12-31 06:25 <dahlia> find . -print | grep addin.xml 
2014-12-31 06:25 <dahlia> returns nada
2014-12-31 06:25 <diva> there's something about your OpenSim.exe that's not right
2014-12-31 06:25 <diva> permissions?
2014-12-31 06:25 <dahlia> 755
2014-12-31 06:25 <dahlia> -rwxr-xr-x 1 opensim opensim 75264 Dec 31 01:13 OpenSim.exe
2014-12-31 06:26 <diva> how about the dlls?
2014-12-31 06:26 <diva> what perms do you have in them?
2014-12-31 06:27 <dahlia> looks all 755
2014-12-31 06:27 <dahlia> owner and group both opensim
2014-12-31 06:28 <diva> wtf
2014-12-31 06:28 <diva> in my linux opensim that addin is also missing
2014-12-31 06:28 <diva> but it's being loaded
2014-12-31 06:28 <diva> oh no
2014-12-31 06:28 <diva> it's not missing
2014-12-31 06:28 <diva> duh I'm too tired
2014-12-31 06:28 <dahlia> heh
2014-12-31 06:28 <dahlia> well can wait and see what happens to others
2014-12-31 06:29 <dahlia> my goal was to understand this bloody bleeding mono issue
2014-12-31 06:30 <dahlia> just happened to encounter this when I was compiling git master
2014-12-31 06:30 <diva> wait just a sec
2014-12-31 06:30 <diva> can yuo try another thing
2014-12-31 06:30 <dahlia> sure
2014-12-31 06:31 <diva> edit OpenSim/Region/Framework/Properties/AssemblyInfo.cs
2014-12-31 06:31 <diva> last line
2014-12-31 06:31 <diva> switch it to this
2014-12-31 06:31 <diva> [assembly: Addin("OpenSim.Region.Framework", OpenSim.VersionInfo.VersionNumber)]
2014-12-31 06:31 <diva> just Addin instead of AddinRoot
2014-12-31 06:32 <diva> recompile
2014-12-31 06:32 <diva> and try
2014-12-31 06:32 <dahlia> [assembly: Addin("OpenSim.Region.Framework", OpenSim.VersionInfo.VersionNumber)]
2014-12-31 06:32 <diva> yes
2014-12-31 06:33 <dahlia> :(
2014-12-31 06:34 <diva> show me the contents of addins-data/1
2014-12-31 06:34 <dahlia> log http://pastebin.com/LdFyX4jS
2014-12-31 06:36 <dahlia> http://pastebin.com/LRk4GUbq
2014-12-31 06:37 <dahlia> brb bio
2014-12-31 06:41 <dahlia> bk
2014-12-31 06:44 <diva> dahlia do you have an env var called MONO_ADDINS_REGISTRY?
2014-12-31 06:45 <dahlia> no MONO anything
2014-12-31 06:46 <diva> ok, well, there's something fishy here
2014-12-31 06:46 <diva> I'm too tired
2014-12-31 06:46 <diva> I will come back to this tomorrow
2014-12-31 06:47 <dahlia> kk 
2014-12-31 06:47 <dahlia> or just wait and see if it happens to anyone else
2014-12-31 06:48 <dahlia> but I guess Ken_S had similar problems?
2014-12-31 06:48 <diva> I don't want to go back to what we had before, we need to understand how these addins work. It looks like they're not working the same in linux and in windows. I'm also missing one in my registry in the linux opensim. I want to know why the hell its not there
2014-12-31 06:48 <diva> nop
2014-12-31 06:48 <diva> Ken's problem is differen t
2014-12-31 06:48 <dahlia> k
2014-12-31 06:48 <diva> he loads the plugins
2014-12-31 06:48 <diva> there may be additional problems, but they're further down the line
2014-12-31 06:48 <dahlia> kk
2014-12-31 06:49 <diva> your problem is that OPenSim.exe is not being detected as an addin at all
2014-12-31 06:49 <diva> curiosely in my linux OpenSim.Region.Framework.dll is also not being placed in the databse
2014-12-31 06:50 <diva> and that is wrong, I think, even though it doesn't have any consequences for running
2014-12-31 06:50 <diva> but it will have consequences for 3rd party addins
2014-12-31 06:50 <diva> so I want to understand why some are missing
2014-12-31 06:50 <dahlia> well I for one kinda like 3rd party addins :)
2014-12-31 06:51 <diva> and given that one is missing under my sim, I may be able to try a few things
2014-12-31 06:51 <dahlia> k
2014-12-31 06:51 <diva> if I make it appear, I may fix the problem for all
2014-12-31 07:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #3941 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-12-31 07:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3941: SUCCESS in 5 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3941/
2014-12-31 07:23 <osjenkins> dahlia: compile Prebuild.exe with mono 3.2.8 targeting .NET framework 3.5
2014-12-31 07:25 <diva> fuck
2014-12-31 07:25 <diva> you know what dahlia? In my linux test I had grabbed the wrong version'
2014-12-31 07:25 <zadarkAlt1> lol
2014-12-31 07:25 <diva> sigh
2014-12-31 07:26 <diva> starting again
2014-12-31 07:26 <dahlia> oops :)
2014-12-31 07:28 <dahlia> ok. Git master now prebuilds and builds successfully with bloodgushing-edge mono
2014-12-31 07:29 <dahlia> as for running successfully, diva is involved :)
2014-12-31 07:29 <diva> oh yey
2014-12-31 07:29 <dahlia> ?
2014-12-31 07:29 <diva> it fails for me too!
2014-12-31 07:29 <dahlia> w00t
2014-12-31 07:29 <diva> phew
2014-12-31 07:30 <diva> alright, I'm happier
2014-12-31 07:30 <diva> I'll fix it tomrrow
2014-12-31 07:30 <dahlia> me too :D
2014-12-31 07:30 <dahlia> kk well sleep well :)
2014-12-31 07:42 <diva> omg dahlia
2014-12-31 07:42 <diva> :)
2014-12-31 07:42 <dahlia> ?
2014-12-31 07:42 <diva> i swear to god
2014-12-31 07:42 <dahlia> oh one of *those*?
2014-12-31 07:42 <diva> if I had a penny for every time I made a capitalization mistake in strings I would a millioonaire
2014-12-31 07:42 <dahlia> heh
2014-12-31 07:43 <dahlia> I usually capitalize 2 characters when I mean to capitalize one
2014-12-31 07:43 <dahlia> was that it?
2014-12-31 07:43 <dahlia> KInda like this
2014-12-31 07:46 <diva> and like this Opensim
2014-12-31 07:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #3942 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-12-31 07:48 <diva> dahlia want to try that?
2014-12-31 07:49 <dahlia> pulling...
2014-12-31 07:49 <dahlia> starting up....
2014-12-31 07:49 <dahlia> seems to work
2014-12-31 07:50 <diva> that was fast!
2014-12-31 07:50 <dahlia> ya only had to compile a few files
2014-12-31 07:50 <dahlia> well still starting but its loading a gazillion scripts
2014-12-31 07:51 <diva> geez
2014-12-31 07:51 <diva> I had a dependency on Opensim.Framework.dll instead of OpenSim.Framework.dll
2014-12-31 07:51 <dahlia> ya windows doesnt care about that
2014-12-31 07:51 <diva> and someone decided to supress the mono addins warnings in opensim...
2014-12-31 07:52 <dahlia> oh it warns?
2014-12-31 07:52 <diva> yeah it does, if we don't supress it!
2014-12-31 07:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3942: SUCCESS in 4 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3942/
2014-12-31 07:52 <osjenkins> * diva: Add support for expansion of key values in nini config files.
2014-12-31 07:52 <osjenkins> * diva: Capitalization fail.
2014-12-31 07:52 <diva> I think I'm going to remove that, cos the warnings are really important
2014-12-31 07:53 <dahlia> probably
2014-12-31 07:53 <diva> anyway, I'm WAY too tired
2014-12-31 07:53 <dahlia> so what do I need to do to my modules?
2014-12-31 07:53 <diva> I was tired 2 hours ago
2014-12-31 07:53 <diva> ok
2014-12-31 07:53 <diva> so all you need to do is this
2014-12-31 07:54 <diva> you know that weird declaration 
2014-12-31 07:54 <dahlia> the 0.5 thing?
2014-12-31 07:54 <diva> [assembly: AddinDependency("OpenSim", "0.5")]
2014-12-31 07:54 <diva> yeah
2014-12-31 07:54 <diva> you should now change it to something like this
2014-12-31 07:54 <diva> [assembly: AddinDependency("OpenSim.Region.Framework", OpenSim.VersionInfo.VersionNumber)]
2014-12-31 07:54 <diva> I mean to this exactly
2014-12-31 07:54 <dahlia> kk
2014-12-31 07:55 <dahlia> will try in a bit
2014-12-31 07:55 <diva> modules depend on Region framework, not opensim, and we should use the right version number
2014-12-31 07:55 <diva> that's the only change
2014-12-31 07:55 <dahlia> so VersionInfo.VersionNumber is like a wild card?
2014-12-31 07:55 <diva> now I'm writing documentation about how to develop addins, so you can sell your extensions :)
2014-12-31 07:56 <diva> no, it's not wild card
2014-12-31 07:56 <diva>  it's opensim's version number
2014-12-31 07:56 <diva> at the moment it's 0.8.1
2014-12-31 07:56 <dahlia> pfft nobody buys them :(
2014-12-31 07:56 <diva> sorry
2014-12-31 07:56 <dahlia> k
2014-12-31 07:56 <diva> 0.8.1.0
2014-12-31 07:56 <diva> 4 digits, we decided today
2014-12-31 07:56 <diva> it's a constant
2014-12-31 07:56 <diva> we should just use it as is
2014-12-31 07:56 <dahlia> [assembly: AddinDependency("OpenSim.Region.Framework", OpenSim.0.8.1.0)]
2014-12-31 07:57 <diva> no
2014-12-31 07:57 <diva> use the constant Luke
2014-12-31 07:57 <diva> you don't include OpenSim.Framework in your module?
2014-12-31 07:57 <dahlia> oh
2014-12-31 07:57 <diva> it's literally [assembly: AddinDependency("OpenSim.Region.Framework", OpenSim.VersionInfo.VersionNumber)]
2014-12-31 07:57 <diva> :)
2014-12-31 07:58 <dahlia> OpenSim.VersionInfo.VersionNumber is a constant
2014-12-31 07:58 <dahlia> ?
2014-12-31 07:58 <diva> for periods of time, yes :)
2014-12-31 07:58 <dahlia> kk
2014-12-31 07:58 <dahlia> ty for fix :)
2014-12-31 07:58 <diva> thanks for bumping into it
2014-12-31 07:58 <dahlia> np
2014-12-31 08:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #3943 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-12-31 08:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3943: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3943/
2014-12-31 08:06 <osjenkins> diva: Commenting out the suppression of console warnings from Mono addins while we test this new model for the next couple of weeks.
2014-12-31 09:20 <osmantis> Bug #7395:04 HG User with bad connection overloaded and froze networking 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7395 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-31 10:19 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Delegate for TriggerOnNewInventoryItemUploadComplete failed - continuing. Document does not have a root element 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-31 10:21 <osmantis> Bug #7396:04 Recording of stats triggers bad hardware address length message on console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7396 ): has been UPDATED.
2014-12-31 12:49 <osmantis> Bug #7395:04 HG User with bad connection overloaded and froze networking 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7395 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-31 15:48 <jakdaniels_> Does anyone know if the [Modules] key: Include-modules = "addon-modules/*/config/*.ini" actually does anything? Do the addons .inis actually get read at startup and made available in IConfigSource source? My initial tests seem to suggest they don't, in fact I can't find any reference to 'Include-modules' in the code using grep.
2014-12-31 15:49 <jakdaniels_> The only way so far I've found to read one of these addons inis is to do it manually:
2014-12-31 15:49 <jakdaniels_> string moduleConfigFile = Path.Combine(Util.configDir(), "../addon-modules/" + m_name + "/config/" + m_name + ".ini");
2014-12-31 15:49 <jakdaniels_> m_config = new IniConfigSource(moduleConfigFile);
2014-12-31 15:50 <BlueWall> We should pickup any ini there.
2014-12-31 15:50 <BlueWall> the [Modules] section plays a part in the loading of some modules.
2014-12-31 15:50 <jakdaniels_> the above [Modules] key is in OpenSimDefaults.ini btw
2014-12-31 15:51 <jakdaniels_> that's what I thought, but I can't find the code that actually does pick up those .inis
2014-12-31 15:51 <BlueWall> I dont' remember the specifics ATM, bt I think it pertains to the standalone local service loading.
2014-12-31 15:53 <AliciaRaven> you can include an ini with Include- followed by any string value as part of the key, for example Include-Port = port.ini, port is a custom name i gave it so the chance the source looks for the full string is low, try to search for just Include-
2014-12-31 15:54 <jakdaniels_> ah yes, that finds some code to look at, thanks AliciaRaven :)
2014-12-31 15:55 <AliciaRaven> np
2014-12-31 16:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #3944 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-12-31 16:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3944: SUCCESS in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3944/
2014-12-31 16:25 <osjenkins> diva: Fixed declaration switcharoo on the region combiner dll.
2014-12-31 17:42 <osmantis> Bug #7395:04 HG User with bad connection overloaded and froze networking 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7395 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-31 18:05 <diva> The addin consumer side: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Installing_3rd_party_addins
2014-12-31 18:26 <smxy> diva: It's not necessary to perform the initial registry update until I decide I want to install a 3rd-party addin, right?
2014-12-31 18:27 <diva> correct
2014-12-31 18:27 <smxy> On the other hand, it wouldn't hurt and could be run whenever I update OpenSim, right?
2014-12-31 18:28 <diva> it doesn't do anything bad, no. OpenSim does it when it runs
2014-12-31 18:29 <smxy> Thanks.
2014-12-31 18:29 <diva> so that step is about being extra careful that the opensim addins can be found, in case ppl install addins before opensim has ever run
2014-12-31 18:29 <smxy> Ah, got it.
2014-12-31 18:30 <smxy> I noticed, last night, that HEAD sounded broken, during this work. Is that resolved now?
2014-12-31 18:32 <diva> I think the main problem is fixed, yes
2014-12-31 18:32 <smxy> Great. Thanks. I'll stop pestering you now. :)
2014-12-31 18:33 <osmantis> Bug #7395:04 HG User with bad connection overloaded and froze networking 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7395 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2014-12-31 18:37 <BlueWall> diva, I updated my example region modules and they work fine. This will be pretty easy to update.
2014-12-31 18:37 <diva> cool
2014-12-31 18:38 <BlueWall> Things seem to work good with what little I was able to test.
2014-12-31 18:38 <diva> I'm now writing a complete addin example that shows how to procude addins that include external libraries, ini files, html files, etc
2014-12-31 18:38 <diva> this is for addin producers
2014-12-31 18:39 <BlueWall> nice
2014-12-31 18:39 <BlueWall> the Wind Module you mentioned on the mailing list, do you think that it is setup for sub-modules?
2014-12-31 18:39 <BlueWall> You can do that as well.
2014-12-31 18:40 <diva> yes
2014-12-31 18:40 <diva> it has its own extension point
2014-12-31 18:40 <BlueWall> I can't recall seeing any modules for it though.
2014-12-31 18:40 <diva> they are in core
2014-12-31 18:40 <BlueWall> I think that was intended for sailing
2014-12-31 18:40 <BlueWall> ohh, ok
2014-12-31 18:40 <diva> I don't think anyone has ever done a plugin for it that isn't in core
2014-12-31 18:41 <BlueWall> Haha, make a hurricane module
2014-12-31 18:52 <nebadon_laptop> I hope some day someone revives micasim
2014-12-31 18:52 <nebadon_laptop> I wish i knew how
2014-12-31 18:52 <BlueWall> that planet module?
2014-12-31 18:52 <nebadon_laptop> yea
2014-12-31 18:53 <nebadon_laptop> http://forge.opensimulator.org/gf/
2014-12-31 18:53 <BlueWall> maybe I can look at it sometime
2014-12-31 18:53 <diva> what's micasim?
2014-12-31 18:53 <nebadon_laptop> oops
2014-12-31 18:53 <nebadon_laptop> wrong link
2014-12-31 18:53 <AllenKerensky> there's a tide module too that needs a little love
2014-12-31 18:53 <nebadon_laptop> http://forge.opensimulator.org/gf/project/micasim/
2014-12-31 18:53 <AllenKerensky> but is really cool for sailing sims near islands
2014-12-31 18:54 <BlueWall> I have the code here for that, but have not had time to dig into it.
2014-12-31 18:54 <nebadon_laptop> diva > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM4fmL6dLdY
2014-12-31 18:55 <BlueWall> I guess it would be pretty cool in a big var region
2014-12-31 19:08 <jakdaniels_> AllenKerensky: https://github.com/JakDaniels/OpenSimTide ;)
2014-12-31 19:08 <AllenKerensky> that's the one
2014-12-31 19:08 <AllenKerensky> I've used it and it works great for me
2014-12-31 19:08 <AllenKerensky> not sure if it builds on current master because I haven't tried that 
2014-12-31 19:08 <jakdaniels_> just updated it recently, it's now configurable per region on a multi region sim
2014-12-31 19:08 <AllenKerensky> oh epic
2014-12-31 19:09 <jakdaniels_> works on var, and just updated it as per divas changes
2014-12-31 19:09 <AllenKerensky> that could get weird on neighbors tho if they all used different steps
2014-12-31 19:09 <jakdaniels_> yes not advisable to use it unless surrounded by sea
2014-12-31 19:09 <jakdaniels_> but works great on big var regions
2014-12-31 19:09 <jakdaniels_> so you can have multiple islands all with tide
2014-12-31 19:10 <AllenKerensky> so you went from shared region module to nonshared?
2014-12-31 19:10 <AllenKerensky> or just did an array of regions internally?
2014-12-31 19:11 <jakdaniels_> yes, so each region could have it's own config, tide times/levels etc.
2014-12-31 19:11 <AllenKerensky> so a separate module instance per region?
2014-12-31 19:11 <jakdaniels_> it was easier to do as a non shared, I guess I could have had an array of all  the configs and all the working variables
2014-12-31 19:12 <AllenKerensky> cool I am working on a module on and off right now so I was curious what worked for you
2014-12-31 19:12 <jakdaniels_> so yes separate instances now
2014-12-31 19:15 <jakdaniels_> it was originally a shared region module with one config in OpenSim.ini, but now the config is moved to bin/addon-modules/OpenSimTide/config and is more like a regions.ini file
2014-12-31 20:40 <diva> alright, my work is done: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Developing_OpenSim_Addins
2014-12-31 20:40 <diva> that is the developer's side
2014-12-31 20:44 <BlueWall> Thanks Diva
2014-12-31 20:46 <diva> yw
2014-12-31 20:46 <diva> I created an example addin in less than an hour!
2014-12-31 20:46 <BlueWall> This is for the viewer modules?
2014-12-31 20:48 <diva> viewer?!
2014-12-31 20:48 <diva> nothing to do with viewer
2014-12-31 20:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #3945 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2014-12-31 20:50 <BlueWall> Doesn't the onlook viewer use region modules?
2014-12-31 20:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3945: FAILURE in 1 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3945/
2014-12-31 20:50 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: Add axis locking enabled through the ExtendedPhysics module.
2014-12-31 20:50 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: add the beginnings of hull creation unit testing.
2014-12-31 20:50 <diva> yes, but those are in core
2014-12-31 20:50 <diva> in OptionalModules
2014-12-31 20:50 <BlueWall> ohh, ok
2014-12-31 20:50 <diva> I made just an example addin that shows the mechanics
2014-12-31 20:52 <BlueWall> I didn't understand the viewer<-->region modules. I was thinking that region modules defined the viewer ui per/region.
2014-12-31 20:52 <dahlia> diva: with that new versioning in the addins, does that mean the version must be an exact match? Like if I have a module that matches all the method signatures but was built on an earlier version, will it still function?
2014-12-31 20:52 <diva> See my note at the end of this page: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Installing_3rd_party_addins
2014-12-31 20:53 <misterblue> confusion over 'modules'.. what Diva did was enable binary package/module additions to the simulator using Mono Addins
2014-12-31 20:53 <BlueWall> I left my addin versions the same. changed the dependency line.
2014-12-31 20:53 <misterblue> a simulator feature addition method
2014-12-31 20:53 <diva> yes misterblue
2014-12-31 20:54 <diva> basically package the region modules properly
2014-12-31 20:54 <misterblue> different thing than the ability to change the UI in the viewer
2014-12-31 20:54 <diva> next I want to look at what BlueWall did in robust, so to devise the more general addins that include simulator acode and service code
2014-12-31 20:54 <diva> BlueWall, that is completely unrelated :)
2014-12-31 20:55 <misterblue> ability to change the viewer UI was the diva feature addition before the addins feature addition
2014-12-31 20:56 <misterblue> diva does lots of things :)
2014-12-31 20:56 <diva> hehe :)
2014-12-31 20:56 <diva> yeah, this is plain opensim-land again, no viewer-land
2014-12-31 20:57 <dahlia> diva, not sure that answered my question. Say I build a module in 0.8 and it depends on framework 0.8. Prior to the recent updates, that module would still function in newer opensim versions as long as the method signatures matched. Is this still the case, or will the new addin stuff reject the module?
2014-12-31 20:58 <diva> it does answer your question. That situation is covered in the second-to-last paragraph of that page
2014-12-31 20:58 <BlueWall> I guess the region modules loader can use the OpenSim.Framework.PluginManager that handles the addin command lines.
2014-12-31 20:59 <diva> but the answer is yes, it will work
2014-12-31 21:00 <dahlia> diva, ah ok I had misread "The mono addins framework will deem this addin compatible with the new version of OpenSim"
2014-12-31 21:00 <dahlia> (hard to read black text on white background)
2014-12-31 21:01 <diva> wrt the "root addin" (i.e. OPenSim.Region.Framework), mono addins accepts V or newer
2014-12-31 21:01 <dahlia> cool :)
2014-12-31 21:01 <diva> so, it's "at least V"
2014-12-31 21:02 <diva> it doesn't require "exactly the same"
2014-12-31 21:02 <dahlia> :)
2014-12-31 21:03 <diva> it only barfs if it's older than the declared requirement
2014-12-31 21:03 <dahlia> usually it wont work anyway
2014-12-31 21:03 <dahlia> if something doesnt match
2014-12-31 21:03 <diva> versioning is a pita, and a mostly unsolvable problem
2014-12-31 21:04 <BlueWall> heh, I guess that's what mantis is for - you know we have no bugs.
2014-12-31 21:04 <dahlia> usually it comes down to only adding and never changing or taking away
2014-12-31 21:25 <misterblue> Jenkins is doing its builds against Mono 2.10.8.1
2014-12-31 21:26 <jakdaniels_> last build failed :(
2014-12-31 21:27 <misterblue> ya... and I can't find the friggin output that says what failed
2014-12-31 21:28 <misterblue> finally found it .... what a mixed up UI
2014-12-31 21:30 <misterblue> there seems to be a general trend in UI design to scatter selection points all over the view... rather than everything being on pulldown menus (for instance) they are scattered into little gear icons or active points next to the item
2014-12-31 21:31 <misterblue> Jenkins suffers from some selections being at the top of the page while some selections are on the side... and everything is context dependent
2014-12-31 21:31 <misterblue> oh, and get off my lawn!
2014-12-31 21:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #3946 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #3944 5 hr 13 min ago)
2014-12-31 21:34 <nebadon_laptop> i triggered a retest
2014-12-31 21:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3946: STILL FAILING in 1 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3946/
2014-12-31 21:35 <misterblue> the error will probably happen again... looks like it is a Windows/Linux difference in how libraries are referenced
2014-12-31 21:35 <misterblue> it finds a symbol when compiling on Windows but Mono can't find the reference... looking into it now
2014-12-31 21:37 <nebadon_laptop> dahlia i tested master git against mono 3.99.0 and it compiles and runs
2014-12-31 21:37 <nebadon_laptop> i need to reload my vm though
2014-12-31 21:37 <nebadon_laptop> its opensuse 13.2 and there is just something wrong with this version of linux and any version of mono
2014-12-31 21:39 <dahlia> nebadon_laptop: seems to work ok for me on debian with mono 3.99.whatever. Not seeing a lot of the memory problems I saw in other mono 3.x either
2014-12-31 21:39 <nebadon_laptop> cool
2014-12-31 21:39 <nebadon_laptop> ya i don't know what changed on opensuse 13.2
2014-12-31 21:39 <nebadon_laptop> but opensim always crashes with threading errors
2014-12-31 21:39 <nebadon_laptop> even on older monos
2014-12-31 21:39 <nebadon_laptop> bluewall had same problem
2014-12-31 21:40 <BlueWall> nebadon_laptop, seems that several distros are suffering from that. The Mono ppl have been busy with the M$ code drop, I guess they are swamped atm.
2014-12-31 21:41 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2014-12-31 21:41 <nebadon_laptop> im not sure its really a mono problem
2014-12-31 21:41 <nebadon_laptop> or a kernel problem
2014-12-31 21:41 <dahlia> it wasnt easy getting 3.99 working on debian
2014-12-31 21:41 <BlueWall> I setup a tumbleweed vm yesterday, 
2014-12-31 21:41 <BlueWall> Maybe I can give it a spin soon.
2014-12-31 21:41 <nebadon_laptop> tumbleweed is that the bleeding edge branch?
2014-12-31 21:41 <BlueWall> I think it has Linux 3.18.x
2014-12-31 21:42 <BlueWall> It's the "stable" factory
2014-12-31 21:42 <nebadon_laptop> ah ok
2014-12-31 21:42 <nebadon_laptop> factory thats right
2014-12-31 21:42 <BlueWall> yeah, you probably couldn't depend on factory to run 100% of the time.
2014-12-31 21:43 <dahlia> I have 3.10.23-xxxx-std-ipv6-64 #1 SMP 
2014-12-31 21:43 <dahlia> whatever that means
2014-12-31 21:43 <BlueWall> I have not built a kernel in ages.
2014-12-31 21:43 <dahlia> me either
2014-12-31 21:43 <dahlia> used to do it all the time when linux fit on 2 floppies :)
2014-12-31 21:43 <BlueWall> ++
2014-12-31 21:44 <BlueWall> I ran soem servers on bleeding edge dev kernels for a while, lol
2014-12-31 21:44 <BlueWall> sometimes I would upgrade them several times a day.
2014-12-31 21:45 <BlueWall> and I had to patch the code to get it to run on them,
2014-12-31 21:45 <BlueWall> pre 2.0 kernels
2014-12-31 21:45 <dahlia> my usually philosophy on upgrades is wait until it's needed
2014-12-31 21:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #3947 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #3944 5 hr 24 min ago)
2014-12-31 21:46 <BlueWall> misterblue's in the doghouse
2014-12-31 21:46 <dahlia> oh oh... jenkins left a present on misterblue's lawn....
2014-12-31 21:46 <misterblue> another one of those "it works on my development box" problems :)
2014-12-31 21:47 <BlueWall> hehe
2014-12-31 21:47 <nebadon_laptop> setting up a fresh 13.1 vm now
2014-12-31 21:47 <misterblue> teach me to try and write unit tests
2014-12-31 21:48 <misterblue> good thing justin isn't online to hear me say that :)
2014-12-31 21:48 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-12-31 21:48 <dahlia> anyway there was a time in the late 90's where building kernels would get you a raise so I hacked up redhat a bit and built a few custom kernels
2014-12-31 21:49 <BlueWall> where I worked, they didn't know what the hell it was.
2014-12-31 21:49 <dahlia> then they came out with the dynamic driver stuff which eliminated a lot of the need to make custom kernels
2014-12-31 21:49 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2014-12-31 21:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3947: FIXED in 4 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3947/
2014-12-31 21:50 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: remove compile reference error trying to figure out why mono compiling doesn't like it
2014-12-31 21:50 <misterblue> nice that it's fixed but I have not idea why.... I reference a bunch of shape classes but the reference to one particular fails when compiled by Mono
2014-12-31 21:51 <BlueWall> some pinvoke code?
2014-12-31 21:53 <misterblue> or some dependency by that particular class... more digging is needed
2014-12-31 21:54 <misterblue> I didn't realize the individual classes in an assembly were resolved separately... thought the whole assembly/DLL was dependancy resolved all at once
2014-12-31 21:56 <dahlia> nebadon_laptop: I'm using --server, maybe that helps with threading?
2014-12-31 21:56 <BlueWall> dahlia, it doesn't
2014-12-31 21:58 <dahlia> BlueWall: you use opensuse also?
2014-12-31 21:58 <BlueWall> yes
2014-12-31 21:59 <dahlia> I kinda thought they were tight with mono
2014-12-31 21:59 <misterblue> what is it with "git status" saying the local repository is up-to-date with origin/master when it really isn't
2014-12-31 21:59 <BlueWall> Someone convinced me to switch from Slackware a few years back
2014-12-31 21:59 <misterblue> grumble, grumble
2014-12-31 21:59 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2014-12-31 21:59 <BlueWall> misterblue, that message is at the end of a pull?
2014-12-31 21:59 <dahlia> people try to convince me to change all the time but I always end up back with debian :)
2014-12-31 22:00 <nebadon_laptop> 
ACTION tries to looks inoccent 

2014-12-31 22:00 <BlueWall> poor poor girl :)
2014-12-31 22:00 <AllenKerensky> use what works*
2014-12-31 22:00 <AllenKerensky> the *: some things work better than others
2014-12-31 22:00 <misterblue> no.. the message comes out with "git status".. along with "nothing to commit, working directory clean"
2014-12-31 22:01 <misterblue> but then, if I do a 'git pull', it finds things to fetch and merge
2014-12-31 22:01 <BlueWall> ohh, that is checking your local repo
2014-12-31 22:03 <misterblue> yes... but it reporting that the local repository is in sync with origin/master is bogus unless it goes and checks
2014-12-31 22:03 <dahlia> isnt arch supposed to be good for bleeding edge stuff? I find it a PITA to install tho
2014-12-31 22:03 <BlueWall> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3258243/git-check-if-pull-needed
2014-12-31 22:03 <BlueWall> I think so dahlia.
2014-12-31 22:19 <dahlia> http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apple
2014-12-31 22:20 <Plugh> what is the problem with micasim?
2014-12-31 22:21 <dahlia> probably nothing if you use opensim 0.2
2014-12-31 22:23 <dahlia> last time I had it working was when we were teleporting between osgrid and the SL beta grid
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2014-12-31 22:45 <Taoki[laptop]> Aaaand new year here. Happy new year everyone :)
2014-12-31 22:45 <misterblue> Happy New Year!
2014-12-31 22:46 <misterblue> 
ACTION still has 9+ hours to go

2014-12-31 22:46 <lillith_xue> Yeah Happy new Year you too ;-) there are still 14 minutes left here ;-)
2014-12-31 22:47 <Ken_S> Objects that activate a script when touched are no longer working after all the recent changes.
2014-12-31 22:48 <Ken_S> Can anyone else test this under Windows?
2014-12-31 22:48 <diva> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/List_of_3rd_Party_Addin_Repositories
2014-12-31 22:49 <diva> does anyone care to test the AddinExample?
2014-12-31 22:49 <diva> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Installing_3rd_party_addins
2014-12-31 22:50 <diva> it should be pretty straight forward
2014-12-31 22:50 <diva> just want to make sure the instructions are clear
2014-12-31 23:09 <SignpostMarv> 1 hour to go 'til new year here. presently staying awake so my sleep isn't interrupted by fireworks.
2014-12-31 23:10 <SignpostMarv> regarding the recent discussions of a package manager for open sim, a rather terrible joke occurred to me.
2014-12-31 23:10 <SignpostMarv> joke/pun/etc.
2014-12-31 23:11 <SignpostMarv> wouldn't an opensim package manager's 3 letter cli be "opm", pronounced opium? :P
2014-12-31 23:12 <Ken_S> After recent code changes, AppDomainLoading = true MUST be used in windows or some things simply no longer work.
2014-12-31 23:13 <nebadon_laptop> Ken_S that has always been kind of true though, it always ran considerably better with it set to true
2014-12-31 23:13 <nebadon_laptop> its possible you have crossed some kind of threshold with # of and complexity of scripts in the region
2014-12-31 23:13 <Ken_S> Nebadon_laptop, yes that's true, but I had been running it = false the last couple of weeks with no issues until last night.
2014-12-31 23:14 <Ken_S> Its no problem to go back to = true, just wanted all to be aware.
2014-12-31 23:14 <nebadon_laptop> only takes 1 new script to pee in the punch :)
2014-12-31 23:14 <Plugh> OpenSimTime module won't build against 0.8 as it is missing a reference to VersionInfo
2014-12-31 23:15 <nebadon_laptop> really though having it set to false should technically make things run worse
2014-12-31 23:15 <nebadon_laptop> consume more memory
2014-12-31 23:15 <nebadon_laptop> mono is kind of forced into it because mono threading is not so great, especially with xengine
2014-12-31 23:16 <Ken_S> I was always told setting it to true made it slower and consume more memory, but made it more reliable.
2014-12-31 23:16 <nebadon_laptop> well yes and no
2014-12-31 23:16 <nebadon_laptop> on initial start yes it will use more 
2014-12-31 23:16 <nebadon_laptop> but over time thats not true
2014-12-31 23:16 <nebadon_laptop> single domain leads to bloat you cant remove
2014-12-31 23:17 <nebadon_laptop> you keep loading scripts, even in attachments
2014-12-31 23:17 <nebadon_laptop> and they never unload
2014-12-31 23:17 <nebadon_laptop> so you can see how that can be bad
2014-12-31 23:17 <nebadon_laptop> this is one of the downsides of mono
2014-12-31 23:17 <Ken_S> It sounds like the comments in opensim.ini almost need to say you MUST use AppDomainLoading = true with Windows or you will have issues.
2014-12-31 23:17 <nebadon_laptop> something i hope will improve drastically in future versions
2014-12-31 23:22 <AllenKerensky> ping diva
2014-12-31 23:24 <diva> pong
2014-12-31 23:24 <AllenKerensky> will message you a really weird question...
2015-01-01 00:01 <SignpostMarv> happy new year from england
2015-01-01 00:02 <AllenKerensky> happy new year SignpostMarv!
2015-01-01 00:11 <nebadon_laptop> little wierd going through the new config for the first time setting up a standalone, bit different
2015-01-01 00:11 <nebadon_laptop> i like it though
2015-01-01 00:14 <nebadon_laptop> hmm guess i missed something, cant log in
2015-01-01 00:15 <SignpostMarv> port/loopback silliness ?
2015-01-01 00:16 <nebadon_laptop> i dont think so
2015-01-01 00:17 <nebadon_laptop> ooh
2015-01-01 00:17 <nebadon_laptop> i know, i didnt set the port forward to both on router
2015-01-01 00:17 <nebadon_laptop> thanks SignpostMarv
2015-01-01 00:17 <SignpostMarv> yw
2015-01-01 00:18 <nebadon_laptop> yep, im in, nice
2015-01-01 00:18 <nebadon_laptop> ya I like the new config variable stuff
2015-01-01 00:19 <nebadon_laptop> nice, logged into master git with mono 3.99.0 on opensuse 13.1, time to break stuff
2015-01-01 00:23 <nebadon_laptop> misterblue ping
2015-01-01 00:23 <misterblue> pong
2015-01-01 00:23 <nebadon_laptop> i have been noticing when doing prim drops in bulletsim, the prims freeze mid fall a lot
2015-01-01 00:23 <nebadon_laptop> and some dont move until i select them again after setting physical
2015-01-01 00:23 <misterblue> just recently or the last few weeks?
2015-01-01 00:23 <nebadon_laptop> for some time
2015-01-01 00:23 <nebadon_laptop> weeks for sure
2015-01-01 00:24 <misterblue> so, like the physics arena droppers?
2015-01-01 00:24 <nebadon_laptop> no im setting up blocks of cubes
2015-01-01 00:24 <nebadon_laptop> anywhere from like 200-1000 cubes
2015-01-01 00:24 <nebadon_laptop> let me show you
2015-01-01 00:24 <nebadon_laptop> i can make a video real quick
2015-01-01 00:25 <misterblue> k.... sounds like they are getting deactivated...
2015-01-01 00:26 <misterblue> physical objects in Bullet get 'deactivated' if they aren't moving as a way to reduce compute load... if it is a physical block sitting on the ground, no need to keep checking it for movement
2015-01-01 00:26 <misterblue> there were bugs related to not reactivating sleeping physical things...
2015-01-01 00:27 <misterblue> but this could be another case (with a physical engine upgrade, who knows what changes)
2015-01-01 00:28 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2015-01-01 00:28 <nebadon_laptop> once they stop they never move again
2015-01-01 00:28 <nebadon_laptop> like if i try to push with avatar
2015-01-01 00:28 <nebadon_laptop> they are not physical anymore
2015-01-01 00:28 <nebadon_laptop> but you will see better in the video
2015-01-01 00:28 <nebadon_laptop> wierd behavior
2015-01-01 00:30 <nebadon_laptop> misterblue > http://nebadon2025.com/video/bulletsim_drop_001.mp4
2015-01-01 00:32 <misterblue> you run with ambient and UI turned way up :)
2015-01-01 00:32 <nebadon_laptop> :) ya
2015-01-01 00:33 <nebadon_laptop> i have a 780M GTX with 4gb DDR5
2015-01-01 00:33 <misterblue> does look like there are some zero updates not happening (the object stops but the viewer last saw a small movement so the dead reconning keeps the block moving)
2015-01-01 00:33 <misterblue> those are the ones that you touch and they snap back into place
2015-01-01 00:35 <nebadon_laptop> yea
2015-01-01 00:35 <nebadon_laptop> its definitely done this for a while
2015-01-01 00:35 <nebadon_laptop> its probably always been like this, its not something i recall getting worse or anything
2015-01-01 00:35 <nebadon_laptop> i did this a lot more in ODE though
2015-01-01 00:35 <misterblue> Ive seen that first physical thing happen before (not everything being made physical the first selection)
2015-01-01 00:35 <nebadon_laptop> we were reliably dropping 1000 cubes in ODE
2015-01-01 00:35 <nebadon_laptop> without any severe clamping
2015-01-01 00:36 <nebadon_laptop> that stack is actually 960
2015-01-01 00:36 <nebadon_laptop> oh wow
2015-01-01 00:36 <nebadon_laptop> i just looked again
2015-01-01 00:36 <nebadon_laptop> and it lookse like a scene from matrix
2015-01-01 00:36 <nebadon_laptop> let me shoot another quick vid
2015-01-01 00:37 <misterblue> this on Linux or Windows?
2015-01-01 00:37 <nebadon_laptop> well the client is on windows
2015-01-01 00:37 <nebadon_laptop> the server is on linux
2015-01-01 00:38 <nebadon_laptop> different machines completely
2015-01-01 00:38 <nebadon_laptop> its an HG enabled standalone
2015-01-01 00:38 <misterblue> k... I'll need to check the Linux version... there is a 'bug' in Bullet where it doesn't give a movement update when an object is deactivated
2015-01-01 00:39 <misterblue> that is fixed by a patch I make to the Bullet sources
2015-01-01 00:39 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/video/bulletsim_drop_002.mp4
2015-01-01 00:39 <misterblue> I'll make sure that patch hasn't been lost somehow
2015-01-01 00:40 <misterblue> kinda cool... and effect that is not easy to do on purpose :)
2015-01-01 00:40 <nebadon_laptop> hehe ya
2015-01-01 00:42 <nebadon_laptop> mono 3.99.0 is holding up a lot better than I expected it would have at this point
2015-01-01 00:57 <SignpostMarv> 4 minutes to 1am and I hear sirens blaring, that didn't take long :P
2015-01-01 00:59 <BlueWall> Happy New Year SignpostMarv.
2015-01-01 01:00 <nebadon_laptop> hmm
2015-01-01 01:00 <SignpostMarv> Happy New Year, BlueWall :)
2015-01-01 01:01 <nebadon_laptop> im not sure --server is an option with newest mono anymore dahlia
2015-01-01 01:02 <AliciaRaven> aww 1 am, i missed new year lol happy new year every one! :)
2015-01-01 01:02 <BlueWall> 4 hours to go here :)
2015-01-01 01:03 <nebadon_laptop> hello AliciaRaven, and happy new year! ya same here 4 hours to go
2015-01-01 01:04 <AliciaRaven> im in the future hehe hi
2015-01-01 01:04 <BlueWall> Seems that time is blurred for those of us who live much of our lives on the net. 
2015-01-01 01:06 <SignpostMarv> transhumanistic ntp ? :P
2015-01-01 01:09 <AllenKerensky> time is irrelevant. lunchtime doubly so. ~ Hitchhikers
2015-01-01 01:14 <dahlia> nebadon_laptop: --server works on 3.99.wtf for me
2015-01-01 01:25 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2015-01-01 01:25 <nebadon_laptop> it didnt give me any error or anything
2015-01-01 01:25 <nebadon_laptop> i just wasnt sure
2015-01-01 01:25 <nebadon_laptop> mono --help doesnt show it as a variable
2015-01-01 01:25 <nebadon_laptop> i thought it used to mention it
2015-01-01 01:30 <AliciaRaven> i use it but dont know why, cant find any docs on it
2015-01-01 01:31 <nebadon_laptop> supposed to be a more aggressive threading scheme i think
2015-01-01 01:32 <dahlia> supposedly it changes the system thread allocation or something
2015-01-01 01:34 <nebadon_laptop> I am running the Klein bottle generator
2015-01-01 01:34 <nebadon_laptop> and its like 60% done
2015-01-01 01:35 <nebadon_laptop> this is the furthest ive ever seen it go under mono
2015-01-01 01:35 <nebadon_laptop> however
2015-01-01 01:35 <nebadon_laptop> it may be because of something else i was experimenting with
2015-01-01 01:35 <nebadon_laptop> going to have to change that back and try it again
2015-01-01 01:35 <nebadon_laptop> I set EventLimit to 600 in Xengine
2015-01-01 01:35 <nebadon_laptop> the default is 30
2015-01-01 01:35 <nebadon_laptop> be interesting if that is what made the difference
2015-01-01 01:38 <nebadon_laptop> i hate that you can not add 2 grids with the same URL in the viewer grid manager
2015-01-01 01:38 <nebadon_laptop> say you have 2 grids that share the same FQDN but different ports
2015-01-01 01:38 <nebadon_laptop> you can only add one of them to the grid manager
2015-01-01 01:38 <nebadon_laptop> annoying
2015-01-01 01:42 <nebadon_laptop> rezzer is still going
2015-01-01 01:42 <nebadon_laptop> this is very promising
2015-01-01 01:43 <dahlia> ya so far no problems for me with 3.99. Much better than any other 3.x Ive tried
2015-01-01 01:43 <dahlia> other than it wouldnt run Prebuild :P
2015-01-01 01:44 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/video/kleinbottle_001_001.png
2015-01-01 01:45 <dahlia> I should try the c# version of my navmesh generator. If anything will blow it up, that will
2015-01-01 03:59 <djphil> ping jakdaniels__
2015-01-01 03:59 <djphil> hello and happy ny :)
2015-01-01 04:00 <djphil> i'm testing birds ... but any chat commands seems no working ...
2015-01-01 04:00 <Wanderer_42> Hi djphil, and HNY to all
2015-01-01 04:02 <djphil> I do not happen to change the subject bird ... it is always a wooden ball
2015-01-01 04:02 <djphil> tested with last master on windows seven .net 4.0
2015-01-01 04:37 <djphil> Another message for jack: apparently Tide module will always reset the parameters of lightshare and windlight
2015-01-01 05:10 <dahlia> http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/stillRunning.bmp
2015-01-01 06:20 <misterblue> the viewer updates really get slow when doing that, dahlia :)
2015-01-01 06:34 <dahlia> misterblue: ya everything gets slow. Physics fps is 3.4 now
2015-01-01 06:35 <misterblue> I can believe that... dropping the balls on top of the piles doesn't allow any of the lower balls to sleep so the physics engine is checking everything all the time
2015-01-01 06:39 <dahlia> 17200 AtvPrm whatever that means
2015-01-01 06:40 <dahlia> maybe should try threaded physics
2015-01-01 07:16 <misterblue> I'm looking forward to Bullet3... although OpenSim is using all the threads already so don't know if multiple physics threads will help :)
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2015-01-01 13:12 <osmantis> Bug #7395:04 HG User with bad connection overloaded and froze networking 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7395 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-01 13:23 <osmantis> Bug #7395:04 HG User with bad connection overloaded and froze networking 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7395 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-01 16:58 <diva> BlueWall ping
2015-01-01 17:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #3948 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2015-01-01 17:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3948: SUCCESS in 6 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3948/
2015-01-01 17:46 <osjenkins> misterblue: Fix cut-and-paste error that made StatsManager web fetch queries
2015-01-01 18:01 <BlueWall> pong diva
2015-01-01 18:05 <diva> Hi BlueWall, I am looking at the robust extension point that you did, and I have a few questions. The first question is wrt OnExtensionChanged in ServerUtils
2015-01-01 18:05 <diva> I'm a little confused abut the sequence of events there
2015-01-01 18:05 <diva> you have this
2015-01-01 18:05 <BlueWall> ok, I'll have to have a look
2015-01-01 18:06 <diva> first, you initialize the registry, then yuo update it, then you add that handler OnExtensionChanged. I'm confused because I would expect the registry to be loaded by the time the event handler is registered, which would mean that that event handler would not be called
2015-01-01 18:07 <diva> but I see that it is called, hence my confusion
2015-01-01 18:07 <diva> that is, I would exopect all addins to be loaded when you call Initialize
2015-01-01 18:07 <BlueWall> It was a long time ago, but I remember that it is triggered by one of the actions. let me look in there to get a better answer for you.
2015-01-01 18:10 <BlueWall> That may be related to the loading/unloading of the plugins.
2015-01-01 18:14 <BlueWall> those happen when a plugin is added into the running Robust
2015-01-01 18:15 <diva> yes, that's why I'm confused
2015-01-01 18:15 <diva> what happens when you install aplugin, then shutdown robust, then start it again
2015-01-01 18:16 <diva> without installing the plugin a second time
2015-01-01 18:16 <diva> I see that the plugin is loaded, but I'm having a hard time understanding why
2015-01-01 18:17 <BlueWall> I think it doesn't hit that when Robust is started.
2015-01-01 18:17 <BlueWall> just when the plugin is enabled 
2015-01-01 18:18 <diva> it does, otherwise the plugin wouldn't be configured etc
2015-01-01 18:18 <BlueWall> ok, let me look further
2015-01-01 18:18 <diva> I was trying to understand when you call connector.Configure
2015-01-01 18:18 <diva> and I can only find 1 single place where you do that
2015-01-01 18:19 <diva> which is called from OnExtensionChanged
2015-01-01 18:19 <BlueWall> that is in the plugin to pickup it's ini
2015-01-01 18:19 <diva> so that means that OnExtensionChanged is called in the beginning of robust
2015-01-01 18:19 <diva> I know
2015-01-01 18:19 <diva> I want to find out when it's called
2015-01-01 18:19 <diva> that is code in opensim that drives it
2015-01-01 18:20 <diva> and I can see that call in only 1 place
2015-01-01 18:20 <BlueWall> ok, just startd Robust again and looking at the logs
2015-01-01 18:21 <BlueWall> ok it does call it on startup
2015-01-01 18:21 <diva> yes
2015-01-01 18:21 <diva> so I'm trying to understand the sequence of events there, and make sure that's not an accidental good behavior :)
2015-01-01 18:22 <BlueWall> No, I remember needing to add it - when developing the plugins, they are in the ./bin directory. And you can just place them there as well...
2015-01-01 18:23 <BlueWall> If you have Robust pull them from a registered repository, they will be placed in the spec'd location...
2015-01-01 18:24 <BlueWall> I need to dig a little more and see why the path is being manipulated.
2015-01-01 18:24 <diva> but I don't understand the sequence of events
2015-01-01 18:24 <diva> how can OnExtensionChanged be called there?
2015-01-01 18:24 <diva> I mean
2015-01-01 18:24 <BlueWall> It is an event triggered by addins
2015-01-01 18:24 <diva> when yuo start robust and do nothing on the console, what exactly triggers ExtensionChanged?
2015-01-01 18:24 <BlueWall> when it is loading the plugin
2015-01-01 18:24 <diva> but the plugin has been loaded already
2015-01-01 18:25 <BlueWall> sort-of
2015-01-01 18:25 <diva> before you register that handler
2015-01-01 18:29 <BlueWall> It is registerd when the PluginLoader is created just before m_server.Run in ServerMain.cs (Robust)
2015-01-01 18:30 <diva> I'm talking about this code:
2015-01-01 18:30 <diva>             Registry = new AddinRegistry(registryPath, ".");
2015-01-01 18:30 <diva>             suppress_console_output_(true);
2015-01-01 18:30 <diva>             AddinManager.Initialize(registryPath);
2015-01-01 18:30 <diva>             suppress_console_output_(false);
2015-01-01 18:30 <diva>             AddinManager.Registry.Update();
2015-01-01 18:30 <diva>             CommandManager commandmanager = new CommandManager(Registry);
2015-01-01 18:30 <diva>             AddinManager.AddExtensionNodeHandler("/Robust/Connector", OnExtensionChanged);
2015-01-01 18:30 <diva> I don't understand what triggers OnExtensionChanged if nothing is done at the console
2015-01-01 18:31 <diva> but apparently something triggers it
2015-01-01 18:31 <diva> I get very nervous when I don't understand what's happening...
2015-01-01 18:31 <BlueWall> ok, 1 sec ...
2015-01-01 18:31 <BlueWall> lol
2015-01-01 18:31 <diva> even if the right things happen
2015-01-01 18:32 <BlueWall> AddinManager.AddExtensionNodeHandler("/Robust/Connector", OnExtensionChanged); prompts addins to scann the assemblies for that extension ...
2015-01-01 18:32 <BlueWall> We give it that handler to process each one as they are found ...
2015-01-01 18:33 <diva> are you sure? why would it scan it again?
2015-01-01 18:33 <BlueWall> When one is about to be loaded, it fires that event and we can manipulate things just before it attaches the assembly
2015-01-01 18:34 <diva> but why would mono addins scan those extension points again when ppl register for that handler?
2015-01-01 18:36 <BlueWall> AddinManager.AddExtensionNodeHandler should be the first place they are registered.
2015-01-01 18:36 <BlueWall> that extension.
2015-01-01 18:36 <BlueWall> there is no addins.xml for it.
2015-01-01 18:38 <diva> ok
2015-01-01 18:38 <diva> I found the answer in the mono addins source code
2015-01-01 18:38 <BlueWall> are we cool?
2015-01-01 18:38 <diva> 		/// The first time the event is subscribed, the handler will be called for each existing node.
2015-01-01 18:38 <diva> we're good
2015-01-01 18:38 <diva> :)
2015-01-01 18:38 <BlueWall> ok
2015-01-01 18:39 <diva> I like what you did, and I"m going to start using it to pack wifi
2015-01-01 18:39 <BlueWall> I am pretty sure that area could be cleaned up a bit.
2015-01-01 18:39 <diva> the only thing I'm not going to use is the robust console commands
2015-01-01 18:39 <BlueWall> even the command names
2015-01-01 18:39 <diva> I think they make things more confusing than using mautils
2015-01-01 18:39 <diva> and I'm going to pack the ini in the addin itself
2015-01-01 18:40 <BlueWall> with the right naming they wouldn't, I think.
2015-01-01 18:40 <diva> but I can see that I can handle that in the COnfigure mathod of the addin
2015-01-01 18:40 <diva> so I think I can use things as they are
2015-01-01 18:40 <BlueWall> ok
2015-01-01 18:40 <diva> thanks!
2015-01-01 18:40 <BlueWall> So, if I get some time later, would it be ok for me to add the commands to OpenSim ?
2015-01-01 18:41 <diva> for the simulator addins?
2015-01-01 18:41 <BlueWall> yes
2015-01-01 18:41 <diva> sure. Just don't forget to include uninstall...
2015-01-01 18:41 <diva> but uninstall is sort of mute
2015-01-01 18:42 <BlueWall> if, at least, the core part of it is in there, it shoudl be possible to add an http-handler to manage them if one wanted to.
2015-01-01 18:42 <diva> what do you mean?
2015-01-01 18:43 <BlueWall> Not that I would want it in core - but if a person wanted to make a web interface to manage their plugins/modules via a http-handler. 
2015-01-01 18:43 <diva> I don't think I'm following you...
2015-01-01 18:44 <BlueWall> nm - freewheeling 
2015-01-01 18:44 <diva> the console commands for me are not very useful
2015-01-01 18:44 <BlueWall> Just saying that if the PluginManager is hooked into OpenSim, then it would be poossible to extend it to other places.
2015-01-01 18:44 <BlueWall> ok
2015-01-01 18:45 <BlueWall> It would be a while before I have time to do that anyways.
2015-01-01 18:45 <diva> I think we want to manage the addins externally. When you have many sims, you want to issue these commands in exactly one place, not many
2015-01-01 18:45 <diva> then yuo want to eploy the entire opensim installation+addins to all sims
2015-01-01 18:46 <diva> the last thing I want is to type console commands in the 80+ sims I have running
2015-01-01 18:46 <BlueWall> there are ways to do that in the operating system shell, but yeah.
2015-01-01 18:47 <diva> so, as I said, the console commands for me aren't useful. And since we already have a tool that does that (mautil) I don't think they are useful code to have in opensim.
2015-01-01 18:47 <diva> but if you want to do it, I'm not against it
2015-01-01 18:47 <BlueWall> we wont worry about it atm.
2015-01-01 18:49 <BlueWall> yes, for running many simultaors, it is easier to just go into the operating system shell and use various tricks there to handle them.
2015-01-01 18:50 <BlueWall> mono-addins makes it nice to distribute them in binary form.
2015-01-01 18:50 <diva> basically I construct an image that is then deployed everywhere
2015-01-01 18:50 <BlueWall> I think we could even sign and load assemblies from a server :)
2015-01-01 18:50 <diva> yes, I'm liking mono addins
2015-01-01 18:51 <BlueWall> We talked about the Microsoft Foundation Classes (I think is the name) for assembly discovery, but they fall way short of what mono-addins can do for us.
2015-01-01 18:51 <diva> it's MFE, I forget what it stands for
2015-01-01 18:52 <BlueWall> Fortis swapped MFC for mono-addins, that was downhill business.
2015-01-01 18:52 <BlueWall> Ohh, ok
2015-01-01 18:55 <diva> MEF -- Managed Extensibility Framework
2015-01-01 18:55 <BlueWall> ++
2015-01-01 18:55 <diva> I looked at that too
2015-01-01 18:55 <diva> it's not powerful enough
2015-01-01 18:55 <BlueWall> If we used that, we would have to write all the good stuff ourselves.
2015-01-01 18:55 <diva> it's relaly just dependency injection, doesn't have the package management  infrastructure
2015-01-01 18:55 <BlueWall> Yeah, we're on a good track
2015-01-01 18:55 <diva> yes, I think so
2015-01-01 18:56 <diva> I"m going to try to pack wifi with this today
2015-01-01 18:56 <BlueWall> nice
2015-01-01 18:56 <BlueWall> I need to try to understand that Library thing where you can add to your library from an IAR.
2015-01-01 18:57 <diva> unfortunately I think that only works in standalone
2015-01-01 18:57 <BlueWall> Ahhhh
2015-01-01 18:57 <diva> at least it did when I coded it, snot sure if someone extended it
2015-01-01 18:57 <BlueWall> well, that is the downfall of how we mange the library.
2015-01-01 18:57 <diva> yes
2015-01-01 18:57 <diva> we should definitely change it
2015-01-01 18:57 <BlueWall> We should have it set to a user
2015-01-01 18:57 <diva> have a library service too
2015-01-01 18:58 <BlueWall> SL has "Alexandrea Linden"
2015-01-01 18:58 <BlueWall> ++
2015-01-01 18:58 <BlueWall> If you add any custom content, you need to do it on each installation.
2015-01-01 19:11 <diva> BlueWall, for consistency, I'm going to change the Robust-as-addin version number to be OpenSim's release verison numbers ok?
2015-01-01 19:12 <BlueWall> Yes, that will be fine.
2015-01-01 19:12 <BlueWall> Thanks
2015-01-01 20:26 <smxy> Hapy New Year to All :)
2015-01-01 20:27 <BlueWall> Happy New Year!
2015-01-01 20:28 <smxy> Do you think you could code me up a hangover remedy? :)
2015-01-01 20:29 <BlueWall> Yeah: New_Year_Resolution() { !DrinkInExcess(alcohol); }
2015-01-01 20:29 <smxy> hehehe
2015-01-01 20:30 <smxy> I usually stay home, so only have 1 drink. But I was invited to a resort, and opted to spend the night. Knowing I wouldn't be driving, I think I overdid the drinking a bit. :)
2015-01-02 17:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #3949 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-02 17:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3949: SUCCESS in 5 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3949/
2015-01-02 17:24 <osjenkins> * diva: Changed the Robust-as-addin version number to match OpenSim release numbers.
2015-01-02 17:24 <osjenkins> * diva: Bug fix in LoadPLugin so that it can take paths to dlls that look like this "C:\foo\MyDll.dll:MyType" -- the split on : was messing things up.
2015-01-02 17:24 <osjenkins> * diva: Switched mautil.exe with another that has a bug fix for this bug report: https://github.com/mono/mono-addins/issues/22
2015-01-02 17:30 <djphil> it seems you double mesh on your terrain jakdaniels ...
2015-01-02 17:30 <djphil> http://www.imagerun.info/img189/ztwov7wxbxe4yuln.jpg
2015-01-02 17:34 <djphil> http://www.imagerun.info/img189/o636vdgd7civrgvg.jpg
2015-01-02 17:37 <djphil> http://www.imagerun.info/img189/5rxqokdq7ikw2w9n.jpg
2015-01-02 17:49 <nebadon_laptop> oh you manually aligned yours jakdaniels
2015-01-02 17:49 <nebadon_laptop> i can tell
2015-01-02 17:49 <nebadon_laptop> what you need to do
2015-01-02 17:49 <nebadon_laptop> is bring all the dae files into blender first
2015-01-02 17:49 <nebadon_laptop> it will automatically align everything for you perfectly
2015-01-02 17:50 <nebadon_laptop> then you export it as 1 gigant collada file and import that
2015-01-02 17:50 <nebadon_laptop> also
2015-01-02 17:50 <jakdaniels> i used a blender script iirc which importred them all then joined them, then exported as one dae...
2015-01-02 17:50 <jakdaniels> i think... it was a while ago
2015-01-02 17:51 <nebadon_laptop> if you se the texture to 0.99750 / 0.99750
2015-01-02 17:51 <nebadon_laptop> on the offsets
2015-01-02 17:51 <nebadon_laptop> it gets rid of the line a little better
2015-01-02 17:51 <nebadon_laptop> ya it looks like alignment is off a bit
2015-01-02 17:51 <nebadon_laptop> overlapping in some areas, gaps in others, its not bad
2015-01-02 17:51 <nebadon_laptop> but if you want it perfect run it through blender first
2015-01-02 17:51 <jakdaniels> djphil, no that is the ground underneath, using the height map. This is so that llGround still works ;)
2015-01-02 17:52 <jakdaniels> yeah actually this might be the first one I did manually, then I wrote a blender script to do it
2015-01-02 17:52 <misterblue> djphil, bluewall: for stats, there is more complete info available via StatsManager: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Stats_Manager
2015-01-02 17:53 <BlueWall> thanks misterblue
2015-01-02 17:53 <djphil> ha ok ... llground does not work with a terrain mesh so ...?
2015-01-02 17:53 <jakdaniels> no, it has no way to see the mesh as ground
2015-01-02 17:53 <jakdaniels> perhaps a mesh object could be flagged as ground somehow? misterblue? ;)
2015-01-02 17:53 <nebadon_laptop> llCastRay
2015-01-02 17:53 <djphil> even if you change the parameter in bulletsim configuration?
2015-01-02 17:53 <nebadon_laptop> if your tiles are small enough
2015-01-02 17:54 <djphil> tank's mister :)
2015-01-02 17:54 <djphil> blue*
2015-01-02 17:54 <jakdaniels> did you see the flock of birds flying around djphil, nebadon_laptop?
2015-01-02 17:55 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2015-01-02 17:55 <nebadon_laptop> very cool
2015-01-02 17:55 <djphil> yes jack!
2015-01-02 17:55 <jakdaniels> much better than scripted birds
2015-01-02 17:57 <smxy> nebadon_laptop: why do you bring it into blender in pieces? Why not export one big thing from L3DT and import/export that?
2015-01-02 17:57 <nebadon_laptop> because then then its just 1 big super low quality texture
2015-01-02 17:57 <jakdaniels> because you don't want just one 1024px texture for the whole region
2015-01-02 17:57 <BlueWall> + the collisions
2015-01-02 17:57 <nebadon_laptop> ya collisions are pretty easy to deal with
2015-01-02 17:57 <smxy> But you export it as a single thing
2015-01-02 17:57 <nebadon_laptop> but the texture problem is not really solvable in L3DT
2015-01-02 17:58 <nebadon_laptop> opensim and second life have limits on vertice counts too
2015-01-02 17:58 <nebadon_laptop> technically you don't want to exceed 16k triangles I think for physics
2015-01-02 17:58 <nebadon_laptop> and its 24k vertices per texture face
2015-01-02 17:58 <jakdaniels> blender exports it in such a way that the viewer imports it as a linked object
2015-01-02 17:58 <BlueWall> that is what I was meaning with collisions
2015-01-02 17:58 <nebadon_laptop> right
2015-01-02 17:59 <nebadon_laptop> its still 9 seperate peices
2015-01-02 17:59 <nebadon_laptop> its just aligned perfectly
2015-01-02 17:59 <djphil> neb, have you allready trying the blender terrain generator plugin ?
2015-01-02 17:59 <nebadon_laptop> if i had the Indie pay version of L3DT i could do seriously way higher quality
2015-01-02 17:59 <BlueWall> ++
2015-01-02 17:59 <nebadon_laptop> free version has a 2048m limit
2015-01-02 18:00 <jakdaniels> I used 64 pices 8x8 with 1024px texture on each so 32pixels per meter
2015-01-02 18:00 <smxy> I walked around in your region and fell through the terrain a few times.
2015-01-02 18:00 <BlueWall> I installed it for the eval about the time I ~upgraded to OpenSuse 13.2. So I lost it.
2015-01-02 18:00 <BlueWall> I plan to buy it though.
2015-01-02 18:01 <smxy> One thing I don't like is that my camera frequently winds up positioned on the invisible side of the mesh.
2015-01-02 18:01 <smxy> Like when walking down a hill.
2015-01-02 18:01 <BlueWall> I wonder: make a duplicate terrain mesh with 2 or 4x the tiles, lower poly and transparent. Overlay the visible terrain with it to improve the stability. Make the visible one phantom.
2015-01-02 18:02 <jakdaniels> thats why I load the L3DT height map as terrain as well and position it just under the mesh
2015-01-02 18:02 <nebadon_laptop> on mine or jaks smxy?
2015-01-02 18:02 <smxy> yours
2015-01-02 18:03 <jakdaniels> did u upload physics with yours neb?
2015-01-02 18:03 <smxy> I could walk on most of it just fine.
2015-01-02 18:03 <jakdaniels> I think I forgot with mine, and it's using hulls
2015-01-02 18:03 <smxy> Just here and there I fell through.
2015-01-02 18:03 <nebadon_laptop> thats kind of surprising you would
2015-01-02 18:03 <nebadon_laptop> let me look at physics
2015-01-02 18:05 <smxy> Just fell through, when I was walking down a steep embankment, nebadon_laptop. I'm underwater now. :)
2015-01-02 18:08 <smxy> I think it happened when I hit a seam.
2015-01-02 18:09 <djphil> now we need terrain animation
2015-01-02 18:13 <jakdaniels> hehe, I would love to be able to leave the terrain darker from the high tide mark to where the tide has since gone out
2015-01-02 18:14 <djphil> ho yes :)
2015-01-02 18:34 <misterblue> has anyone seen a problem with the latest master where the simulator stops at "PLEASE WAIT FOR LOGINS TO BE ENABLED ..." and doesn't finish initializing?
2015-01-02 18:36 <BlueWall> misterblue, I noticed that it seems to take longer. But, it did finally finish.
2015-01-02 18:37 <misterblue> the plugins loading doesn't finish... it might be do to how I distribute the binaries and I'm not updating the configs and xmls
2015-01-02 18:38 <BlueWall> if you have 'old' addins.xml files, it would probably throw a wrench in things.
2015-01-02 18:39 <misterblue> ya... problably my problem (build on one machine, run on another, scripts to do the copying)
2015-01-02 18:42 <jakdaniels> after divas updates to plugins, I had to do a mv bin bin.old; git checkout -- bin/*; runprebuild.sh; xbuild .... for it to work properly
2015-01-02 18:43 <misterblue> good idea jakdaniels.... that's a good thing to do periodically anyway
2015-01-02 18:45 <jakdaniels> something not right in the addin-db-* directories or something I think maybe..
2015-01-02 18:48 <nebadon_laptop> we had that problem randomly at OSCC
2015-01-02 18:49 <nebadon_laptop> it seemed more easily triggered if you started too many regions simulatenously 
2015-01-02 18:49 <nebadon_laptop> like if i rapidly shut down and restart everything simultaneously
2015-01-02 18:49 <nebadon_laptop> could be a sign of thread exhasution maybe at startup
2015-01-02 18:49 <nebadon_laptop> startups can be nasty
2015-01-02 18:50 <nebadon_laptop> more likely a mono issue be my guess
2015-01-02 18:50 <nebadon_laptop> also jakdaniels and misterblue
2015-01-02 18:50 <nebadon_laptop> you dont have to actually delete bin to do that
2015-01-02 18:50 <nebadon_laptop> git clean -d -f
2015-01-02 18:50 <nebadon_laptop> then > git reset --hard
2015-01-02 18:51 <misterblue> for me, I cleaned the run dir (including addin-db), refetched bin, rebuilt, and it seems to be running
2015-01-02 18:51 <BlueWall> in OpenSim.exe, the mono-addins root for all the plugins and region modules are defined in xml files.
2015-01-02 18:51 <jakdaniels> hehe I'm not that git capable ;) seemed easier just to move bin out of the way then recheck it out clean
2015-01-02 18:52 <BlueWall> If the old ones were in there, then there would be no region modules matching the new roots
2015-01-02 18:52 <BlueWall> They wouldn't load.
2015-01-02 18:52 <BlueWall> Should use a lot less memory though :p
2015-01-02 18:54 <jakdaniels> Has anyone seen errors like this on a region console:
2015-01-02 18:54 <jakdaniels> 18:29:47 - [REGION DB]: MySQL error in ExecuteNonQuery: Unknown column 'NaN' in 'field list'
2015-01-02 18:54 <nebadon_laptop> i have
2015-01-02 18:54 <jakdaniels> 18:29:47 - [SCENE]: Storing of OpenSimBirds18, d9930cf6-ea84-48be-9fbb-9b0287aeef51 in Welcome Plaza failed with exception Unknown column 'NaN' in 'field list'  at MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlStream.ReadPacket () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
2015-01-02 18:54 <jakdaniels>   at MySql.Data.MySqlClient.NativeDriver.GetResult (System.Int32& affectedRow, System.Int32& insertedId) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
2015-01-02 18:54 <nebadon_laptop> usually physical objects
2015-01-02 18:55 <nebadon_laptop> that go bonkers
2015-01-02 18:55 <jakdaniels> these are non physical and phantom
2015-01-02 18:55 <nebadon_laptop> check the database
2015-01-02 18:55 <nebadon_laptop> for nans
2015-01-02 18:55 <nebadon_laptop> that object is moving through right?
2015-01-02 18:55 <nebadon_laptop> that is your birds?
2015-01-02 18:55 <nebadon_laptop> thats also another recipe
2015-01-02 18:56 <jakdaniels> is it a query where a column is being set to a number like set C1=5 but somewhere the number is becoming Nan and being treated as a column name in mysql?
2015-01-02 18:56 <nebadon_laptop> this is what would happen alot with Ninja Physics
2015-01-02 18:56 <jakdaniels> yes its the birds ;)
2015-01-02 18:56 <nebadon_laptop> something would go off the edge of the sim
2015-01-02 18:56 <nebadon_laptop> and then sim never starts again
2015-01-02 18:56 <nebadon_laptop> it would spew about nans
2015-01-02 18:56 <nebadon_laptop> if you have a GUI mysql editor
2015-01-02 18:56 <nebadon_laptop> if you sort the position colums by desc, asc
2015-01-02 18:57 <nebadon_laptop> its not hard to spot the nans
2015-01-02 18:57 <jakdaniels> it looks like you can't store a NaN though, looking at the error
2015-01-02 18:57 <jakdaniels> probably expecting an unquoted number
2015-01-02 18:57 <nebadon_laptop> ah ya storing interesting
2015-01-02 18:57 <nebadon_laptop> i just noticed that
2015-01-02 18:57 <nebadon_laptop> the NaN may be interpreted as a break
2015-01-02 18:58 <nebadon_laptop> or something thats screwing up the query
2015-01-02 18:58 <jakdaniels> yes if its a query like update table set column=5;
2015-01-02 18:58 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2015-01-02 18:58 <jakdaniels> if 5 has become Nan then you would see that error
2015-01-02 18:58 <nebadon_laptop> how are you generating numbers for the birds
2015-01-02 18:59 <nebadon_laptop> is that all random?
2015-01-02 18:59 <nebadon_laptop> no idea how that even works what you are doing
2015-01-02 18:59 <nebadon_laptop> is it just randomly generating numbers for locations?
2015-01-02 18:59 <jakdaniels> they start at random places, then move using a flocking algorithm. I have a 5m exclusion zone at the edge of the region so they shouldn't try to go out of bounds
2015-01-02 19:00 <jakdaniels> but maybe they are.... I'll have to check, but tbh, it would be better if opensim didn't break when objects try to go off the edge
2015-01-02 19:00 <nebadon_laptop> ya my guess is that is where its failing maybe
2015-01-02 19:00 <nebadon_laptop> the only time i have ever really seen this happen though
2015-01-02 19:00 <nebadon_laptop> is when im moving prims around with scripts
2015-01-02 19:01 <nebadon_laptop> so i cant say im full surprised
2015-01-02 19:01 <nebadon_laptop> my racer did it a lot before
2015-01-02 19:01 <nebadon_laptop> we fixed alot of things that caused it though
2015-01-02 19:01 <nebadon_laptop> havent seen it happen in some time
2015-01-02 19:01 <jakdaniels> let me grep through the code, see if I can find where corrdinates are being turned into NaNs
2015-01-02 19:03 <nebadon_laptop> ya or have it say the coordinates in a list
2015-01-02 19:03 <nebadon_laptop> so you can see where it happens
2015-01-02 19:04 <jakdaniels> can you remember how to up the logging so I sxee output from m_log.WarnFormat?
2015-01-02 19:04 <nebadon_laptop> put OpenSim.exe.config into DEBUG
2015-01-02 19:04 <jakdaniels> ah yes, thanks
2015-01-02 19:04 <nebadon_laptop> and not INFO
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2015-01-02 20:36 <djphil> jakdaniels : Now, birds chat commands work fine
2015-01-02 20:36 <djphil> ty!
2015-01-02 20:37 <djphil> I found that cat manual command only works
2015-01-02 20:37 <djphil> if a try command birds with script, it don't work
2015-01-02 20:38 <djphil> something with llSay(118, command); ...
2015-01-02 20:38 <djphil> it is normal or bug ?
2015-01-02 20:41 <djphil> hehe i see fish birds :p
2015-01-02 20:58 <jakdaniels> djphil, yeah I think its not scriptable, I never tried that. Did you try llSay(118, "stop"); ?
2015-01-02 20:58 <djphil> yes
2015-01-02 20:58 <djphil> start, stop etc ...
2015-01-02 20:59 <djphil> and too bird-start etc ...
2015-01-02 20:59 <jakdaniels> hmmm, it uses OnChatFromClient event, so almost certain won't work from script
2015-01-02 20:59 <djphil> i make a complet bouton board panel :p
2015-01-02 21:00 <jakdaniels> ok, so you can set the parameters from inworld board?
2015-01-02 21:00 <djphil> no
2015-01-02 21:00 <djphil> only manuel command in chat work
2015-01-02 21:00 <jakdaniels> yes, but that was your intention yes?
2015-01-02 21:00 <djphil> and manual command in console too
2015-01-02 21:01 <jakdaniels> but you want to control from scripted board, yes?
2015-01-02 21:01 <djphil> Yes, it was my intention
2015-01-02 21:01 <djphil> This is fun ...
2015-01-02 21:01 <jakdaniels> ok. I'm not sure how to pick up messages from scripts, but let me do some digging, I might be able to make that work
2015-01-02 21:02 <djphil> Visitor can click button to change birds etc ...
2015-01-02 21:02 <djphil> thank you, nice
2015-01-02 21:04 <jakdaniels> I'm flying on a dragon at the moment in http://www.outworldz.com:9000
2015-01-02 21:04 <djphil> I also found that enviton every 5 seconds, birds freeze
2015-01-02 21:05 <jakdaniels> do you have lots of scripts running in your region?
2015-01-02 21:05 <djphil> entiton = approximately*
2015-01-02 21:05 <jakdaniels> or other stuff happening
2015-01-02 21:05 <djphil> on this région only 5 or 10 scripts
2015-01-02 21:06 <djphil> but on this simu, i have 9 others regions
2015-01-02 21:06 <djphil> and one with +/- 250 scripts
2015-01-02 21:06 <jakdaniels> ah, could be that. Birds are updated every simulator frame
2015-01-02 21:06 <jakdaniels> you will notice any slow down of sim fps affecting bird movement
2015-01-02 21:06 <djphil> yes I think it is this
2015-01-02 21:07 <djphil> no birds fly normally
2015-01-02 21:07 <djphil> just every 5 seconds they freeze
2015-01-02 21:07 <jakdaniels> stand still?
2015-01-02 21:07 <jakdaniels> thencarry on from where they stopped?
2015-01-02 21:08 <jakdaniels> *then carry
2015-01-02 21:08 <djphil> hehe that fred frederic NPC dragon
2015-01-02 21:08 <jakdaniels> yeah, I flew into the region edge and got stuck
2015-01-02 21:09 <djphil> there remain still 0.1 seconds and restart where they left off
2015-01-02 21:09 <jakdaniels> give me a hg tp address so I can see what the birds do on your region
2015-01-02 21:10 <djphil> where is the Hobbit ? :p
2015-01-02 21:10 <djphil> ok mom i restart this simu
2015-01-02 21:14 <jakdaniels> oooh, is it really as simple as m_scene.EventManager.OnChatFromWorld += SimChatSent; :) :)
2015-01-02 21:16 <djphil> good news!
2015-01-02 21:16 <jakdaniels> need to build and test....
2015-01-02 21:17 <djphil> my sim is started, try with http://hg.francogrid.org:80:noname
2015-01-02 21:17 <jakdaniels> ok be there in a bit, just testing new code
2015-01-02 21:18 <djphil> np
2015-01-02 21:22 <jakdaniels> heh, yes it really was that simple. Do a git pull and your script should work.
2015-01-02 21:22 <djphil> great!
2015-01-02 21:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #3950 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-02 21:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3950: SUCCESS in 4 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3950/
2015-01-02 21:35 <osjenkins> diva: Another minor improvement to mautil related to https://github.com/mono/mono-addins/issues/22. And since these commits show up in that issue report, I thought I'd say 'hi' to the zealous Xamarin developer who seems to be eager to get pull requests. Not yet, my friend, not until I fix all the bugs that stand in my way, now that I'm using mautil :-)
2015-01-02 21:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #3951 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-02 21:35 <jakdaniels> oh poo.... really? I just changed my region modules from reading their own config to using the ones in bin/addon-modules/pluginname/config
2015-01-02 21:35 <jakdaniels> will this not work now diva?
2015-01-02 21:36 <diva> what do you mean?
2015-01-02 21:36 <jakdaniels> did I misread your last commit?
2015-01-02 21:36 <jakdaniels> Rather than opensim grabbing their config file automatically from the addins folder, it's the module's responsibility to read its own config file.
2015-01-02 21:37 <diva> err... well, I didn't change anything wrt 1 weeek ago. I changed wrt the commits I did yesterday
2015-01-02 21:38 <jakdaniels> so opensim still reads all .inis in bin/addon-modules/pluginname/config then? I probably misunderstood the meaning of your commit :)
2015-01-02 21:39 <diva> no, it doesn't. That's kinda dangerous, I concluded. You never know when there's a bad config in there that screws up everything
2015-01-02 21:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3951: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3951/
2015-01-02 21:39 <osjenkins> diva: Slight change in the way region module addins handle their configuration. Rather than opensim grabbing their config file automatically from the addins folder, it's the module's responsibility to read its own config file. This makes it consistent with Robust-bound addins.
2015-01-02 21:40 <diva> but there is a place to put config files of 3rd party modules
2015-01-02 21:40 <BlueWall> This lets you define your directory for ini, right?
2015-01-02 21:40 <diva> you have to set ConfigDirectory
2015-01-02 21:40 <jakdaniels> but it was configurable in the [MODULES] section in opensimdefaults
2015-01-02 21:40 <BlueWall> ++
2015-01-02 21:41 <diva> jakdaniels just brielfy from yesterday to today
2015-01-02 21:41 <diva> I changed my mind
2015-01-02 21:41 <dahlia> what if I just want to read from OpenSim.ini? 
2015-01-02 21:41 <diva> it's too dangerous to read all those files in bulk
2015-01-02 21:41 <diva> dahlia nothing changes
2015-01-02 21:42 <dahlia> :)
2015-01-02 21:42 <diva> only if you want to develop modules for 3rd party installation
2015-01-02 21:42 <diva> it's much easier to pull out the module's configuration into its separate file
2015-01-02 21:43 <BlueWall> dahlia, how many bags of chocolate chip cookies would it take to persuade you to fix Warp3D to make good renderings of mesh terrain tiles?
2015-01-02 21:43 <diva> a lot of the existing 3rd-party modules should be rewritten as mono addins. It will make life much easier for everyone
2015-01-02 21:43 <dahlia> BlueWall: Ive never touched warp3d
2015-01-02 21:44 <dahlia> not my code
2015-01-02 21:44 <BlueWall> but you would probably know how to fix it?
2015-01-02 21:44 <BlueWall> hehe
2015-01-02 21:44 <dahlia> let someone else learn :)
2015-01-02 21:44 <BlueWall> lol
2015-01-02 21:44 <BlueWall> Ok, just though I would ask.
2015-01-02 21:45 <dahlia> terrain is a PITA, it has blended textures and noise and stuff
2015-01-02 21:45 <BlueWall> mesh
2015-01-02 21:45 <dahlia> warp doesnt do mesh?
2015-01-02 21:45 <jakdaniels> badly ;)
2015-01-02 21:45 <dahlia> I never use warp
2015-01-02 21:45 <smxy> *very* badly :)
2015-01-02 21:45 <BlueWall> when we put mesh terrains on the regions, it has a funny shape.
2015-01-02 21:46 <BlueWall> I think it is the shape of the prim w/o the mesh applied.
2015-01-02 21:46 <AllenKerensky> diva is there any outline of what a conversion to mono-addin looks like from a code perspective?
2015-01-02 21:46 <dahlia> BlueWall: kinda like a u shaped thing?
2015-01-02 21:47 <BlueWall> yes, or Nebadon's looked like spheres.
2015-01-02 21:48 <diva> AllenKarensky here: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Developing_OpenSim_Addins
2015-01-02 21:48 <diva> I have a complete example available for ppl to copy
2015-01-02 21:48 <diva> I'll add an explanation about configuration
2015-01-02 21:48 <dahlia> for some unknown reason the underlying prim shape of a mesh is a u-shaped thing
2015-01-02 21:48 <diva> which is what I changed today
2015-01-02 21:49 <AllenKerensky> thanks diva, I will take a look 
2015-01-02 21:49 <jakdaniels> me too ;)
2015-01-02 21:49 <BlueWall> it looks like a semi-hollow cube with one end cut out.
2015-01-02 21:49 <diva> and... I just was able to pack Wifi as a mono addin
2015-01-02 21:49 <diva> this will make things soooo much easier!
2015-01-02 21:49 <BlueWall> nice
2015-01-02 21:49 <dahlia> BlueWall: ya
2015-01-02 21:50 <BlueWall> I'm guessing that Warp3d doesn't know how to render meshes, possibly sculpties.
2015-01-02 21:50 <djphil> jakdaniels : script birds work fine now :) tyvm
2015-01-02 21:54 <jakdaniels> djphil: np, glad to help. Can I get a copy of the scripted board?
2015-01-02 21:54 <smxy> BlueWall: It definitely screws up sculpties big time.
2015-01-02 21:54 <djphil> sure, mom
2015-01-02 21:56 <smxy> diva: for those of us who compile all of your modules (not just Wifi) along with OpenSim, will we still be able to do that? Do this change anything about how we build them together?
2015-01-02 21:57 <djphil> jakdaniels : http://pastebin.com/zXBHdxY0
2015-01-02 21:57 <diva> it doesn't change much smxy
2015-01-02 21:58 <diva> but I am making some substantial structural changes to Wifi that will affect the way it works, so that it works better for the addin installation
2015-01-02 21:58 <djphil> for tide we can use osSetRegionWaterHeight too ...
2015-01-02 21:59 <diva> basically, I'm splitting the WifiPages into 2 groups: the ones that people can customize and the ones that people shouldn't change. This was already the case, but now the disctintion is more explicit
2015-01-02 21:59 <diva> the former will be in one place, the latter in another
2015-01-02 21:59 <smxy> That'll be straightforward to deal with.
2015-01-02 22:00 <diva> only the ones you can change will remain in ../WifiPages, where they are now
2015-01-02 22:01 <smxy> Okay.
2015-01-02 22:01 <diva> this doesn't show in the source code, but that's how it works now internally. Even if you have all those pages in ../WifiPages, only 5 or so will be read from there
2015-01-02 22:01 <smxy> I imagine the rest will move under an existing dir or there'll be a new one I need to copy. Sounds simple enough.
2015-01-02 22:02 <diva> splash, welcome, links, header, footer, fluid.css
2015-01-02 22:03 <smxy> This will probably make it easier for standalones who don't run D2 to use Wifi.
2015-01-02 22:03 <diva> those are the special ones that ppl can change and they will still be read from ../WifiPages
2015-01-02 22:03 <diva> I haven't packaged wifi for standalones
2015-01-02 22:03 <diva> just for robust
2015-01-02 22:03 <smxy> Ah.
2015-01-02 22:03 <diva> I don't think I will. I already do a standalone distro
2015-01-02 22:03 <diva> that's enough free stuff from me!
2015-01-02 22:03 <smxy> hehe
2015-01-02 22:22 <diva> ok, I added an explanation for how to make modular configurations in region module addins http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Developing_OpenSim_Addins
2015-01-02 22:24 <diva> I'm loving mono addins, except that mautil is plagged with bugs...
2015-01-02 22:24 <diva> they're not hard to fix, thankfully
2015-01-02 22:24 <BlueWall> you're pushing fixes back to the maintainer?
2015-01-02 22:25 <diva> I will
2015-01-02 22:25 <BlueWall> cool
2015-01-02 22:26 <smxy> I ask this out of ignorance, but they are called *mono* addins. What does this mean for people who use OpenSim on Windows?
2015-01-02 22:26 <BlueWall> haha, they work
2015-01-02 22:26 <BlueWall> they're based on dotnet.
2015-01-02 22:26 <diva> it's a C# library/tool
2015-01-02 22:27 <smxy> k
2015-01-02 22:27 <BlueWall> diva, the package places the ini in the spec'd directory when it is added?
2015-01-02 22:28 <diva> no
2015-01-02 22:28 <diva> in the case of my addins, I'm having tham do that when they run for the first time
2015-01-02 22:28 <diva> but I'm also telling people to copy the files over manually
2015-01-02 22:28 <BlueWall> I don't know if there is a way to hook something when they are installed.
2015-01-02 22:29 <BlueWall> ++ that is what I do in Robust. Must toggle it on/off to pull the base ini
2015-01-02 22:29 <diva> there is a way, but we'd have to do an opensim-specific wrapper on top of mautil
2015-01-02 22:29 <BlueWall> then edit the ini and flip it on to run.
2015-01-02 22:29 <diva> which might be worth it
2015-01-02 22:29 <diva> but not me, not this Christmas vacation...
2015-01-02 22:29 <BlueWall> well, I can put it in the package manger I guess.
2015-01-02 22:29 <BlueWall> but, I'm swamped atm.
2015-01-02 22:30 <diva> well, I think your time would be better invested in pulling the embedded package manager out of our exes and into its own exe
2015-01-02 22:30 <BlueWall> I'll look at my first opportunity.
2015-01-02 22:30 <BlueWall> hmm
2015-01-02 22:30 <diva> an external tool is much more useful than en emnedded one
2015-01-02 22:30 <BlueWall> but, with that in there it is possible to install and run the plugin w/o restarting Robust.
2015-01-02 22:30 <diva> and can be resused between robust and opensim
2015-01-02 22:32 <diva> likely yes, if you have robust listen for a certain event... but in any case, I don't think it's a good practice to load plugins dynamically. It's a recipe for trouble
2015-01-02 22:32 <diva> it's better to shutdown things and run them again
2015-01-02 22:32 <diva> these plugins aren't really unloaded
2015-01-02 22:32 <BlueWall> It works like that now.
2015-01-02 22:32 <BlueWall> The unloading, yes.
2015-01-02 22:32 <diva> no, they are never unload3ed
2015-01-02 22:32 <BlueWall> loading.
2015-01-02 22:33 <diva> loading yes, but they don't unload. So if ppl go and update things while the server is running, chances are they will get themselves in trouble
2015-01-02 22:33 <diva> old plugins will forget to release resources
2015-01-02 22:33 <BlueWall> it gives a message to restart the server when the plugin is unloaded.
2015-01-02 22:36 <diva> well, if you think that's useful you can continue that route. I think it's not useful to have an embedded package manager; it's much more useful to have it external to any executable server. I just don't see myself typing console commands, one per server, any time! I like my linux shell for all my administrative needs :)
2015-01-02 22:37 <diva> mautil does the job, but a wrapper over it could do better with the config files and other embedded resources
2015-01-02 22:38 <djphil> jakdaniels : i found :) http://youtu.be/T7_69L8QUFA?t=40m30s
2015-01-02 22:38 <djphil> woth newton gravity
2015-01-02 22:38 <djphil> start video at 40'30
2015-01-02 22:39 <BlueWall> I can erase my copies of addins with Ionic.Zip.dll now :)
2015-01-02 23:20 <diva> jakdaniels, this is still there Include-modules = "addon-modules/*/config/*.ini"
2015-01-02 23:20 <diva> I thought you were asking about something else I added yesterday
2015-01-02 23:39 <diva> These mono addins are going to make my life so much easier... Installing Wifi now is a snap!
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2015-01-03 00:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #3952 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-03 00:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3952: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3952/
2015-01-03 00:11 <osjenkins> diva: Amend to previous commits -- also needed for bug fixes: the mono addins dlls.
2015-01-03 00:14 <Ken_S> diva, I just updated opensim and wifi just before last commit,
2015-01-03 00:14 <Ken_S> and now see this error in Robust.log:
2015-01-03 00:14 <Ken_S> 2015-01-02 18:07:41,239 INFO  - OpenSim.Server.OpenSimServer [SERVER]: Loading WifiServerConnector on port 8002
2015-01-03 00:14 <Ken_S> 2015-01-02 18:07:41,254 ERROR - OpenSim.Server.OpenSimServer [SERVER]: Failed to load Diva.Wifi.dll:WifiServerConnector
2015-01-03 00:15 <diva> are you compiling wifi?
2015-01-03 00:15 <Ken_S> Yes
2015-01-03 00:16 <diva> is that the only error?
2015-01-03 00:16 <diva> hard to tell what it is with just that error
2015-01-03 00:17 <Ken_S> Yes, thats all I see unusual
2015-01-03 00:17 <diva> well, for one the dll has changed
2015-01-03 00:17 <diva> you now need to load it from Diva.Wifi.Robust.dll
2015-01-03 00:17 <Ken_S> Should I pull a fresh wifi and try again?
2015-01-03 00:17 <diva> no
2015-01-03 00:17 <diva> you should change the configuration
2015-01-03 00:18 <diva> the ServiceConnector
2015-01-03 00:18 <Ken_S> OK, I didnt see that info, so Ill try that
2015-01-03 00:18 <diva> I changed a lot of things in wifi ove the past 24 hours
2015-01-03 00:21 <Ken_S> Diva, I see a lot more errors now.
2015-01-03 00:21 <Ken_S> Will send in pm
2015-01-03 00:31 <diva> try pulling Ken_S
2015-01-03 00:31 <Ken_S> k
2015-01-03 00:35 <Ken_S> diva, saw a lot of new extracting messages Ive never seen before, but no more red errors!
2015-01-03 00:35 <diva> yes, things work differently now
2015-01-03 00:36 <diva> roll back, I explained it here
2015-01-03 00:36 <diva> I mean scroll back
2015-01-03 00:36 <smxy> Is it still correct, after checking out your code, to copy everything in the addon-modules to the same location in OpenSim and then build?
2015-01-03 00:37 <smxy> That's what I've been doing.
2015-01-03 00:38 <Ken_S> smxy, that's what I just did, and
2015-01-03 00:38 <Ken_S> with the latest pull of wifi from a few minutes ago, it is working again as it used to
2015-01-03 00:39 <smxy> Well, I need to see where the WifiPages dir is. I used to copy it into place, but my build couldn't find it. I know she changed it though, so that doesn't surprise me.
2015-01-03 00:40 <diva> here's what you need to do to update this time
2015-01-03 00:40 <diva> copy your customized  html files somewhere safe
2015-01-03 00:41 <diva> delete the WifiPages folder entirely from where it used to be (parallel to bin)
2015-01-03 00:41 <diva> then run wifi
2015-01-03 00:41 <diva> this will make that folder appear again, but just with the right files
2015-01-03 00:41 <diva> then you can copy your files back to it
2015-01-03 00:42 <smxy> Ah, so I don't need to copy it into place any more.
2015-01-03 00:42 <diva> nope
2015-01-03 00:42 <BlueWall> ++*25
2015-01-03 00:42 <diva> from now on the only thing that ppl need to track is those 5 or 6 files
2015-01-03 00:43 <diva> all others are hidden
2015-01-03 00:43 <smxy> I haven't changed them, actually. I just copied the dir into place with each fresh build.
2015-01-03 00:43 <smxy> I'll skip that now.
2015-01-03 00:44 <Ken_S> diva, thanks again for all you and the others do here!!!
2015-01-03 00:45 <diva> thanks. tall this is to make my life easier too. I run a grid with several addons, and it was becoming unmanageable
2015-01-03 00:50 <diva> but the most important change for ppl who are running wifi from source is the dll to use in the ServiceConnector var. It changed from Diva.Wifi.dll to Diva.Wifi.Robust.dll -- please let others who do that know.
2015-01-03 00:51 <smxy> That's in the Robust config and commented out normally, I believe. Pergaps you should change that (if you haven't already).
2015-01-03 00:51 <smxy> Perhaps*
2015-01-03 00:51 <Ken_S> Is that info been updated yet in the included wifi example files?
2015-01-03 00:53 <smxy> Yeah, it's unchanged in the example Robust configs in OpenSim.
2015-01-03 00:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #3953 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-03 00:55 <smxy> :)
2015-01-03 00:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3953: FAILURE in 4 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3953/
2015-01-03 00:59 <osjenkins> diva: Changed the dll name that comes in Robust.HG.ini.example for Wifi.
2015-01-03 01:03 <osmantis> Bug #7233:04 Warp 3d error on console Position beyond EOF 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7233 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-03 01:08 <Ken_S> diva, it looks like jenkins choked on that one. The change was too simple for it :)
2015-01-03 01:12 <smxy> Choked? It says the build succeeded.
2015-01-03 01:12 <smxy> Oh, I see. Nevermind
2015-01-03 01:13 <diva> poor jenkins needs to freak out every once in a while
2015-01-03 01:13 <smxy> It's a comment. It shouldn't have noticed, really, lol.
2015-01-03 01:13 <BlueWall> it's java
2015-01-03 01:49 <smxy> BlueWall: ping
2015-01-03 01:50 <BlueWall> pong smxy
2015-01-03 01:51 <smxy> BlueWall: I noticed that I have the RegistryLocation defined in my Robust config, but I see that before I run Robust with Mono, I'm setting and exporting MONO_ADDINS_REGISTRY. I don't really need to set that variable, do I?
2015-01-03 01:51 <smxy> Actually, I see I was setting that before running OpenSim.exe
2015-01-03 01:52 <smxy> But that now has a RegistryLocation setting too.
2015-01-03 01:52 <smxy> So I'm thinking I don't need to set the environment variable now.
2015-01-03 01:52 <BlueWall> It's different
2015-01-03 01:53 <smxy> Okay. I'm confused.
2015-01-03 01:53 <BlueWall> In Robust, it tells the plugin system where to place them when installing, and it tells Robust to load the assemblies from there.
2015-01-03 01:54 <BlueWall> If you have been running w/o that in Robust, I'm guessing that it is Ok to leave it unset.
2015-01-03 01:54 <smxy> yes, It seems I was only exporting it for OpenSim.exe
2015-01-03 01:54 <BlueWall> shoujld be ok then,
2015-01-03 01:55 <smxy> But why does it need to be set at al if in the config we tell it where the registry is?
2015-01-03 01:55 <smxy> for either Robust or OpenSim
2015-01-03 01:55 <BlueWall> Robust has been able to install plugins for some time now ...
2015-01-03 01:55 <BlueWall> That setting tells the system where to put the modules and it loos there when running them as well.
2015-01-03 01:55 <BlueWall> looks*
2015-01-03 01:56 <BlueWall> It really shouldn't affect the new work.
2015-01-03 01:57 <smxy> I guess I don't understand why there are two things pointing to the same place. That variable, in the environment, and RegistryLocation, in the config.
2015-01-03 01:58 <BlueWall> It has been there for probably 2 years.
2015-01-03 02:00 <smxy> Telling me how long it's been there doesn't explain whether I need to set both or just one now or why. I guess I'm not asking the right questions.
2015-01-03 02:02 <BlueWall> It is for dynamic Robust modules. I doubt it has any affect on the new work. That is all I know atm, as I have not updated all of my installations yet.
2015-01-03 02:03 <smxy> Then the fact I'm setting it only for OpenSim.exe and not for Robust was likely a mistake on my part? It should have been the other way around?
2015-01-03 02:04 <BlueWall> No
2015-01-03 02:05 <BlueWall> If you use the package management in Robust, then you need to set that + the configuration directory. Else, it is not used.
2015-01-03 02:07 <smxy> I'm more confused then when I first asked. I'll ask another time, when I can explain my question better.
2015-01-03 02:08 <BlueWall> what are you doing different in Robust?
2015-01-03 02:10 <Ken_S> If an asset is not found when saving an oar, such as a single prim, object, or a texture, does anyone know how save oar deals with it?
2015-01-03 02:10 <smxy> Pror to any of the recent work, for Robust, all I was doing was setting RegistryLocation and ConfigDirectory, in the ini for Robust. For OpenSime.exe, I was setting MONO_ADDINS_REGISTRY in the environment before running it.
2015-01-03 02:11 <smxy> It was NOT being set in the environment before running Robust.
2015-01-03 02:12 <BlueWall> Is it breaking now?
2015-01-03 02:13 <smxy> No, but I haven't updated with the recent changes yet. I'm just trying to make sure my config is correct. 
2015-01-03 02:14 <smxy> OpenSim will be getting the same two config entries that Robust now has. One of them will point to the same place as this environment variable. I wondered if both were needed or not.
2015-01-03 02:15 <BlueWall> You are loading the wifi on Robust?
2015-01-03 02:15 <smxy> Yes, but not as an addin.
2015-01-03 02:16 <BlueWall> Then I suppose it doesn't matter ...
2015-01-03 02:16 <BlueWall> Those Robust settings work like this ...
2015-01-03 02:16 <BlueWall> You set the registry and congif locations ...
2015-01-03 02:17 <BlueWall> you add and enambel a repository.
2015-01-03 02:17 <BlueWall> config..
2015-01-03 02:17 <BlueWall> you list the available plugins ...
2015-01-03 02:17 <BlueWall> you add one ...
2015-01-03 02:17 <BlueWall> tou toggle it (enable/disable)
2015-01-03 02:17 <BlueWall> typo-ciyt :)
2015-01-03 02:18 <BlueWall> that causes it to download a config ...
2015-01-03 02:18 <BlueWall> you go to your config dir and edit the config (you can encorporate it into your main ini as well)  ...
2015-01-03 02:18 <BlueWall> you enable it and it runs .
2015-01-03 02:19 <smxy> You made no mention of the environment variable in that.
2015-01-03 02:19 <BlueWall> Robust doesn't need it. Or didn't.
2015-01-03 02:20 <smxy> Okay, and I wasn't setting it for Robust, so then I'm good (for Robust).
2015-01-03 02:20 <BlueWall> You could place assemblies around the filesystem and use that to let it find and load them 
2015-01-03 02:20 <BlueWall> the Env.
2015-01-03 02:20 <smxy> But I am setting it for OpenSim.exe
2015-01-03 02:20 <BlueWall> but, not really neaded.
2015-01-03 02:20 <BlueWall> ok
2015-01-03 02:21 <BlueWall> Yep, I have not been able to upgrade everything here yet.
2015-01-03 02:21 <smxy> I'm not sure it is needed for that either, as OpenSim.exe will have the same two config entries after I update it.
2015-01-03 02:21 <BlueWall> I did run a standalone and updated soem modules from it.
2015-01-03 02:22 <BlueWall> I think it is used in the same way in OpenSim now, but you get the assemblies via mautil.
2015-01-03 02:23 <smxy> Well, d.iva didn't mention setting that env variable, so I'm guessing that like Robust, OpenSim doesn't need it either - just the two ini items.
2015-01-03 02:26 <BlueWall> The wifi modules might be able to use them in Robust
2015-01-03 02:28 <BlueWall> Don't hold me to that though, I haven't had time to look.
2015-01-03 02:43 <smxy> I think I remember why I even set it, now.
2015-01-03 02:44 <smxy> I don't allow anything to write into bin. I could keep Robust from creating an addins dir by settng it to someplace else, in the ini, via RegistryLocation. But I couldn't for OpenSim as it didn't have that ini setting, so I pointed it elsewhere via the env variable.
2015-01-03 02:44 <smxy> Now that OpenSim will have the ini directive, I can set it there instead and drop the env variable.
2015-01-03 04:00 <smxy> diva: After building head+wifi I'm having an issue when starting Robust. I probably configured something wrong, but not sure what. Here's what I'm seeing: http://pastebin.com/w6xYk6d2
2015-01-03 04:01 <smxy> OpenSimSearch is a modules compiled from source, along with Wifi and OpenSim
2015-01-03 04:02 <smxy> module*
2015-01-03 04:03 <smxy> I'm guessing I can't use OpenSimSearch now, until its maintainer updates it to match the current state of things?
2015-01-03 04:05 <smxy> And it's telling me to configure Wifi ... but it already is configured, in my Robust ini
2015-01-03 04:06 <KF5YFD> "stormy weather....it keeps raining all the time" :P
2015-01-03 04:35 <diva> smxy are you using thw Wifi mono addin?!
2015-01-03 04:35 <diva> I thought you were compiling from source
2015-01-03 04:53 <smxy> I am compiling from source.
2015-01-03 04:53 <smxy> Diva: yes, from source
2015-01-03 04:54 <diva> then that log doesn't make any sense
2015-01-03 04:54 <diva> did you do anything with mautil?
2015-01-03 04:55 <smxy> Well, there was two Wifi configs. The one I've always had in my robust ini and the one from your stuff. Now I have just your new one configured and it's not in the robust ini now
2015-01-03 04:55 <smxy> no no addins
2015-01-03 04:55 <smxy> no, no addins
2015-01-03 04:55 <diva> you have addins for sure
2015-01-03 04:55 <diva> that's what your log shows
2015-01-03 04:55 <diva> this is a mono addin:
2015-01-03 04:55 <diva> WARNING: The add-in 'OpenSimSearch,0.3' is trying to extend '/OpenSim/RegionModules', but there isn't any compatible add-in defining this extension point
2015-01-03 04:56 <smxy> Yes, that's a module I grab the source for and compile along with OpenSim and Wifi.
2015-01-03 04:56 <smxy> I'm guessing it needs to be updated now.
2015-01-03 04:56 <diva> and so is this:
2015-01-03 04:56 <diva> 22:56:36 - [SERVER UTILS]: Adding Diva.Wifi.Robust,0.8.1.0.2 from ./bin
2015-01-03 04:57 <diva> you have something very wrong there
2015-01-03 04:57 <smxy> I think that was from having two configs in play. I only have one Wifi config in play now.
2015-01-03 04:57 <diva> no
2015-01-03 04:57 <diva> nothing to do with configs
2015-01-03 04:57 <diva> you have something wrong
2015-01-03 04:58 <diva> this shouldn't happen if you are compiling from source:
2015-01-03 04:58 <diva> 22:56:34 - [Wifi]: Instance created
2015-01-03 04:58 <diva> you must have dome something with the registry. Do you run the simulator from the same bin folder as robust?
2015-01-03 04:59 <smxy> Everything *runs* from one folder, but nothing writes there, they all have their own places to write to under /opensim/var/...
2015-01-03 05:00 <diva> well, they are sharing the registry, then
2015-01-03 05:00 <diva> the registry by default is in bin
2015-01-03 05:00 <smxy> I haven't even run a simulator yet
2015-01-03 05:00 <smxy> All I run is robust so far, with a clean registry area
2015-01-03 05:01 <diva> nope, you have something wrong
2015-01-03 05:02 <diva> no addin should exist on a clean install, at least not until you run a simulator, which is another can of worms if you share the bin folder...
2015-01-03 05:02 <diva> at the very least you should not share the registry between robust ad the simulators
2015-01-03 05:02 <smxy> I don't. They are configured to use different directories
2015-01-03 05:02 <diva> that can be controlled in RegistryLocation config vars in both robust and OpenSim inis
2015-01-03 05:03 <smxy> yes
2015-01-03 05:03 <diva> then look at what you have in the registry for robust
2015-01-03 05:03 <diva> you will see it's not emoty
2015-01-03 05:03 <diva> empty
2015-01-03 05:03 <diva> and if it's not empty, it should be!
2015-01-03 05:04 <smxy> Well, after unning this, it isn't. Has a bunch of stuff in it
2015-01-03 05:05 <diva> delete everything in it, and run robust again
2015-01-03 05:05 <smxy> ok
2015-01-03 05:05 <diva> something got messed up
2015-01-03 05:05 <diva> robust should not put anything in the registry on its own
2015-01-03 05:06 <diva> you either have to use mautils or the plugin commands that BlueWall added
2015-01-03 05:06 <diva> or OpenSim
2015-01-03 05:06 <diva> OpenSim populates the registry
2015-01-03 05:06 <diva> that's why it's important that you separate OpenSIm from Robust
2015-01-03 05:07 <smxy> I know. I haven't even run opensim yet, since updating. only robust.
2015-01-03 05:08 <smxy> robust is populating the registry directory with stuff
2015-01-03 05:09 <diva> when you run it?!
2015-01-03 05:09 <smxy> yes. let me patebin it
2015-01-03 05:11 <smxy> http://pastebin.com/yEu49HwY
2015-01-03 05:12 <diva> that is... impossible
2015-01-03 05:12 <diva> robust doesn't do that, period
2015-01-03 05:13 <smxy> The dir was empty. That was there after I started robust
2015-01-03 05:16 <smxy> Perhaps I should pastebin the full robust log.
2015-01-03 05:16 <diva> no I see it too
2015-01-03 05:16 <smxy> Okay
2015-01-03 05:16 <diva> it doesn't alwatys do it
2015-01-03 05:17 <diva> well :)
2015-01-03 05:18 <diva> this may actually make things easier for running Wifi
2015-01-03 05:18 <smxy> lol
2015-01-03 05:18 <smxy> Did you just call a bug a feature? :)
2015-01-03 05:19 <diva> it's not a bug, it's an unexpected behavior...
2015-01-03 05:19 <diva> I need to look at the code for a bit to make sure 
2015-01-03 05:19 <smxy> LOL
2015-01-03 05:19 <smxy> ok
2015-01-03 05:19 <smxy> This is my test grid, so I'm not down or anything. 
2015-01-03 05:26 <diva> I see it being created, but I don't see Wifi being placed there. I just want to make sure that it is
2015-01-03 05:27 <diva> if it is, it makes things actually simpler
2015-01-03 05:32 <diva> ah, got it.
2015-01-03 05:32 <diva> yes, indeed.
2015-01-03 05:33 <diva> so Wifi is installed as an addin
2015-01-03 05:33 <diva> that is great :)
2015-01-03 05:33 <diva> so here's what you need to do
2015-01-03 05:33 <diva> comment out the ServiceConnector for Wifi in your robust config
2015-01-03 05:34 <smxy> I only have one wifi config now, the one under the config dir.
2015-01-03 05:34 <smxy> You want me to comment that one out?
2015-01-03 05:34 <diva> do you have a separate file for wifi config?
2015-01-03 05:35 <smxy> I do now. My config was in robust's ini before, but I removed that and used the one that went into the ConfigDirectory.
2015-01-03 05:35 <diva> ok, great
2015-01-03 05:35 <diva> did you remove the Wifi server connector from robust ini?
2015-01-03 05:35 <smxy> That was after the initial paste I gave
2015-01-03 05:36 <smxy> yes, I commented that out
2015-01-03 05:36 <diva> great!
2015-01-03 05:36 <diva> an it works?
2015-01-03 05:36 <smxy> The only complaint I'm seeing is about that OpenSimSearch module. I haven't tried bringing up a region yet. Let me see if Wifi responds.
2015-01-03 05:37 <smxy> Yes, it responds.
2015-01-03 05:37 <diva> excellent! So, we're all moving to mono addins already
2015-01-03 05:37 <smxy> Under what conditions is that config file overwritten?
2015-01-03 05:38 <diva> what config file? the under i your special ConfigDirectory?
2015-01-03 05:38 <smxy> Yes, that your code put there.
2015-01-03 05:38 <diva> and you overwrote, yes?
2015-01-03 05:38 <smxy> I edited it, yes
2015-01-03 05:38 <diva> that file is completly safe. 
2015-01-03 05:39 <diva> Neither OpenSim nor Robust ever touch it 
2015-01-03 05:39 <smxy> okay. then how will I know if you change something in the original for it? ;)
2015-01-03 05:39 <diva> except if it doesn't exist
2015-01-03 05:39 <diva> you'll have to check!
2015-01-03 05:39 <diva> as usual
2015-01-03 05:39 <smxy> What would I check it against?
2015-01-03 05:39 <diva> we haven't done an auto diff tool :)
2015-01-03 05:39 <diva> the one that's in the source tree
2015-01-03 05:40 <diva> in the wifi source tree
2015-01-03 05:40 <smxy> Ah. There can't be an example on distributed, to compare against?
2015-01-03 05:40 <smxy> one*
2015-01-03 05:40 <diva> you are doing your own distribution
2015-01-03 05:40 <diva> :)
2015-01-03 05:40 <diva> uyou are compiling it
2015-01-03 05:40 <diva> but
2015-01-03 05:40 <smxy> okay
2015-01-03 05:41 <smxy> well, I'm sure I can find it in the source.
2015-01-03 05:41 <diva> before I never really paid much attention to the example in the source tree, but now I have to, because it's the file that gets shiped
2015-01-03 05:41 <diva> so the Wifi.ini in the source tree is the live config that gets packaged
2015-01-03 05:41 <smxy> yeah, I'll add that to my standard set to compare.
2015-01-03 05:42 <diva> which means that I'm going to update it to remove the ServiceConnector parts. It looks like that is not needed at all
2015-01-03 05:43 <diva> not even for ppl compiling from source
2015-01-03 05:43 <smxy> Oh, so that part should still be done in Robust's ini or not at all?
2015-01-03 05:43 <diva> no, not at all
2015-01-03 05:43 <diva> I thought you told me you removed it?
2015-01-03 05:43 <smxy> Let me comment that out in the config then
2015-01-03 05:44 <smxy> I removed it from Robust's ini, not Wifi's
2015-01-03 05:44 <diva> did you have it in the robust config?
2015-01-03 05:44 <diva> oh ok
2015-01-03 05:44 <diva> in the Wifi config it's harmless, but should be removed
2015-01-03 05:44 <smxy> Yes, it was always in robust's but when I saw it in Wifi's I commented out robust's
2015-01-03 05:44 <smxy> let me comment that out and restart
2015-01-03 05:45 <diva> that's only needed when the mono addins mechanism is not used
2015-01-03 05:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #3954 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #3952 5 hr 41 min ago)
2015-01-03 05:48 <smxy> okay, that seemed to change nothing.
2015-01-03 05:48 <diva> still works?
2015-01-03 05:48 <smxy> I see you define database stuff in wifi.ini that's already in robust. does it need to be in both? The publicport is duplicated too.
2015-01-03 05:49 <smxy> yes\
2015-01-03 05:49 <diva> well, if they are different they would need t be in both, but if they're the same then you can remove the ones in Wifi.ini
2015-01-03 05:49 <smxy> okay
2015-01-03 05:50 <smxy> Keeps things simpler.
2015-01-03 05:50 <diva> yes. Thw Wifi.ini is merged with the main configuration
2015-01-03 05:50 <smxy> earlier than before though, I see.
2015-01-03 05:50 <diva> so everything that's in the main config will be available to eifi
2015-01-03 05:51 <smxy> No. one of the Constants I define in Robust's ini is not seen by Wifi
2015-01-03 05:51 <diva> what do you mean?
2015-01-03 05:51 <smxy> On my Wifi page, my grid name is now showing up as ${Const|GridName} instead of Sanctuary, which is how that is definied near the top of robust's ini file
2015-01-03 05:52 <diva> really?
2015-01-03 05:52 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-01-03 05:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3954: FIXED in 4 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3954/
2015-01-03 05:52 <osjenkins> diva: Comment out the suppression of console output for mono addins in robust too. Seriously, ppl, let's not ignore important warning messages!
2015-01-03 05:52 <smxy> I could send you a screen shot :)
2015-01-03 05:52 <diva> weird. I though variable expansion was done immediately
2015-01-03 05:53 <diva> I can look into that tomorrow
2015-01-03 05:53 <smxy> Yeah, fine for now. :)
2015-01-03 05:54 <diva> but this is a nice surprise. I thought I had to support the "old style" service connectors, but it looks like I don't!
2015-01-03 05:54 <diva> I cn go mono addins 100%
2015-01-03 05:55 <diva> we'll have to see what happens when the version number changes, though
2015-01-03 05:55 <diva> I suspect you have to use mautil to uinstall the old version
2015-01-03 05:56 <diva> otherwise you end up with 2 wifis 
2015-01-03 05:57 <diva> and, once again, I wasn't seeing this here on my test setup because important warnings were being supressed...
2015-01-03 06:03 <smxy> That's cool. That's why you have friendly testers, like me. :)
2015-01-03 06:13 <smxy> Now I'll try bringing up a region to see what, if anything, breaks. :)
2015-01-03 06:14 <diva> good luck. It's bed time for me
2015-01-03 06:14 <diva> make sure to delete the simulator's registry folder
2015-01-03 06:14 <smxy> yup, I did
2015-01-03 06:15 <smxy> night
2015-01-03 06:15 <diva> and make suire that you don't have any OpenSim.addin.xml left behind
2015-01-03 06:15 <smxy> fresh bin dir :)
2015-01-03 06:47 <smxy> Can anyone tell me how I can get this to tell me WHAT it's unhappy with? It isn't telling me a file or line or much of anything useful.
2015-01-03 06:47 <smxy> http://pastebin.com/rKXG7gFR
2015-01-03 06:56 <dahlia> smxy: some config variable is supposed to be an integer but it's not
2015-01-03 07:19 <smxy> I can't tell what one that might be though. :(
2015-01-03 07:22 <smxy> I'll look at it with fresher eyes in the morning. Thanks for the tip.
2015-01-03 07:45 <smxy> It seems things in my [Environment] section are no longer being evaluated, so they cannot be used anywhere, which I do extensively. They worked just fine prior to this update.
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2015-01-03 15:14 <jakdaniels> I have a region module which creates prims in the scene on startup, and ideally should remove those prims on shutdown. Problem is the RemoveRegion event occurs after the [SCENE]: Persisting Changed Objects, so the prims get persisted to the db. Next time the rgion starts the old prims are still there. I did then try to remove any old persisted prims in the RegionLoaded event, but that occurs before [SCENE]: Loading objects from datastore, 
2015-01-03 15:14 <jakdaniels> so again the persisted prims reappear. Making them temporary is not good either. They only then last 3 minutes. Any Ideas anyone please?
2015-01-03 15:15 <diva> RegionLo0aded happens after the prims have been loaded
2015-01-03 15:16 <smxy> Morning Diva.
2015-01-03 15:17 <diva> hi
2015-01-03 15:17 <jakdaniels> It seemed to trigger before [SCENE]: Loading objects from datastore when I tried placing some code there to remove old persisted prims.... let me try it again.
2015-01-03 15:19 <smxy> It seems expansion of items in [Environment] isn't working for me anymore. Since I use those just as heavily as items in [Const], it has rather broken things for me.
2015-01-03 15:19 <diva> what do you mean?
2015-01-03 15:19 <diva> in Wifi?
2015-01-03 15:20 <smxy> I can't start a region. 
2015-01-03 15:20 <diva> I fixed key expansion in Wifi, but I didn't touch key expansion in opensim
2015-01-03 15:21 <jakdaniels> 15:16:42 - [OpenSimBirds]: Region Loaded Test Region 2
2015-01-03 15:21 <jakdaniels>     15:16:42 - [SCENE]: Loading objects from datastore
2015-01-03 15:22 <jakdaniels> this is from the console. Does this mean objects are being loaded after the RegionLoaded event?
2015-01-03 15:22 <smxy> Well, there's something not right in Wifi, as I saw last night with my Const|GridName. But [Environment] expansion definitely isn't happening for me in OpenSim. I don't know about [Const] expansion; have to check that, next, after I get some coffee in me.
2015-01-03 15:23 <H-H-H> console logging does not nescersarilly indicate the order things work in just the order they were logged in if that makes sence
2015-01-03 15:23 <smxy> Yeah, logging is asynchronous.
2015-01-03 15:24 <jakdaniels> hmmm....
2015-01-03 15:25 <jakdaniels> am I right in thinking that actually persistance is on its own thread now?
2015-01-03 15:26 <smxy> I thought items are checked regularly and persisted if needed, the entire time the region is up.
2015-01-03 15:26 <jakdaniels> yes but at startup they are restored, and shutdown they are persisted finally
2015-01-03 15:27 <BlueWall> could the objects be marked "temporary" ?
2015-01-03 15:27 <jakdaniels> I need to hook an event either just after the first restore or just before the last persist
2015-01-03 15:27 <jakdaniels> I tried temp, but then they only last in the scene for 3 mins
2015-01-03 15:28 <jakdaniels> I want to remove the prims, before they get the final persist to db on shutdown
2015-01-03 15:28 <diva> actually jakdaniels
2015-01-03 15:29 <diva> I stand corrected. Prims are loaded after, which is confusing
2015-01-03 15:29 <diva> but there is anevent that you should listen to
2015-01-03 15:29 <diva> scene.EventManager.OnPrimsLoaded += OnPrimsLoaded;
2015-01-03 15:29 <jakdaniels> Excellent, just what I need! thank you diva!!!!
2015-01-03 15:29 <smxy> Oh, BlueWall - good morning. After I run and feed the cats and grab some coffee, might you have a few minutes to help me try to figure out why [Environment] expansion isn't working for me anymore? You wrote that, so might more easily spot what's wrong, whether it be something I did, or the code.
2015-01-03 15:29 <diva> I have a module like that too
2015-01-03 15:30 <BlueWall> smxy looking at it right now
2015-01-03 15:30 <smxy> There should have been a "please" somewhere in there, BlueWall. :)
2015-01-03 15:30 <smxy> Great. Let me go take care of those two things and then I'll be back.
2015-01-03 15:31 <diva> smxy try updating wifi
2015-01-03 15:31 <jakdaniels> it would be nice if there was a onRegionUnload function or something, triggered when shutdown is issued but before any clean up starts
2015-01-03 15:31 <smxy> You've made a change since last night, diva?
2015-01-03 15:31 <diva> yes this morning
2015-01-03 15:32 <smxy> Okay, I'll make a new build when I get back in 15 minutes or so.
2015-01-03 15:32 <diva> jakdaniels that would still get you in trouble when sims crash or when they are ctrnl-C'ed
2015-01-03 15:32 <BlueWall> diva, those error messages were disabled when addins were first put in OpenSim - I'm guessing.
2015-01-03 15:32 <diva> you really have to catch the clean up at startup
2015-01-03 15:32 <diva> yeah BlueWall I saw that
2015-01-03 15:32 <diva> :)
2015-01-03 15:32 <jakdaniels> ah yes, very true, so I'm better off cleaning up any residual mess on startup then
2015-01-03 15:33 <BlueWall> They happen when it scans an unmanaged dll
2015-01-03 15:33 <BlueWall> Most of those are in their own lib directories now. I think LibOMV is probably the only one left.
2015-01-03 15:34 <diva> they are critical for when ad addin can't load due to dlls missing or something else wrong
2015-01-03 15:34 <BlueWall> yes
2015-01-03 15:34 <BlueWall> I left them on in Robust
2015-01-03 15:34 <diva> yeah, let's leave them uncommented at least for while
2015-01-03 15:34 <diva> I mean
2015-01-03 15:34 <diva> let's have the warnings show up
2015-01-03 15:35 <BlueWall> we should just leave it ++
2015-01-03 15:35 <H-H-H> 
ACTION is going to have to try this new addin system it sounds intriging

2015-01-03 15:35 <BlueWall> If people put unmanaged dll in the bin directory, then it will show up - they can make provisions to place them in the lib directories we have 
2015-01-03 15:36 <diva> what kinds of warnings are those?
2015-01-03 15:36 <BlueWall> Maybe we can look at the libomv one.
2015-01-03 15:36 <diva> libomv is unmanaged?!
2015-01-03 15:36 <BlueWall> just some dll in it.
2015-01-03 15:36 <diva> OpeJPEG?
2015-01-03 15:36 <BlueWall> those dll are the native -- Aha!! yep.
2015-01-03 15:37 <diva> I don't see any warnings
2015-01-03 15:37 <BlueWall> they back the managed pinvoke
2015-01-03 15:37 <BlueWall> really?
2015-01-03 15:37 <diva> yeah
2015-01-03 15:37 <BlueWall> ok
2015-01-03 15:37 <diva> the only warnings I saw were those pertaining to some of my test addins referencing dlls that can't be found
2015-01-03 15:37 <diva> which are the good warnings
2015-01-03 15:37 <BlueWall> yes
2015-01-03 15:38 <diva> but I didn't test in linux. Maybe mono is more verbose
2015-01-03 15:38 <BlueWall> yes
2015-01-03 15:39 <BlueWall> it is
2015-01-03 15:39 <diva> ok
2015-01-03 15:39 <diva> I do remember seeing warnings about the physics dlls, but that has been happening for a while
2015-01-03 15:41 <jakdaniels> diva, yes that event happens in just the right place. ty
2015-01-03 15:43 <diva> jakdaniels wa it you yesterday who were talkine about including the addon-modules inis all in bulk?
2015-01-03 15:45 <jakdaniels> yes, when placing a module in addon-modules to be built from source
2015-01-03 15:46 <diva> I think we were talking about different things
2015-01-03 15:46 <diva> the inis of modules compiled in addon-modules are loaded automatically as before
2015-01-03 15:46 <jakdaniels> Yes, I think we were, I misunderstood the description of your commit :)
2015-01-03 15:46 <diva> it's the ones that come in the addins that aren't
2015-01-03 15:47 <diva> addon, addins, let's make things even more confusing! :)
2015-01-03 15:47 <jakdaniels> ok, so if I was to package my addon as an addin.... I should change the way it gets it's config?
2015-01-03 15:48 <jakdaniels> And read it's ini file specifically and not rely on opensim to do it for me
2015-01-03 15:48 <diva> yes. When these addins are distributed to others we need to make things a little differently. We can't just go and load all inis automatically, who knows what's in those files!
2015-01-03 15:48 <jakdaniels> true. Ok well, that clears up the confusion now - addons vs addins lol :)
2015-01-03 15:49 <diva> I added an example of how modules can read their own config file
2015-01-03 15:49 <diva> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Developing_OpenSim_Addins#Configuration
2015-01-03 15:49 <BlueWall> smxy, you're right the Env things aren't working
2015-01-03 15:50 <diva> did I break it?
2015-01-03 15:50 <jakdaniels> yes, I have read it through once, but until I take the plunge in creating a repo for my addons->addins I won't change my modules yet
2015-01-03 15:50 <diva> I did add a Key expansion call recently
2015-01-03 15:50 <BlueWall> probably, but we'll fix it.
2015-01-03 15:50 <BlueWall> I'll have a look 
2015-01-03 15:51 <smxy> Yay. I didn't think it was me, but I always start from that assumption. :)
2015-01-03 15:51 <BlueWall> Most people probably don't knwo that you can do that . I think it was removed from the example ini somewhere down the line.
2015-01-03 15:52 <diva> I thought key expansion wasn't working in opensim, that's why I added that call. Maybe that broke it
2015-01-03 15:52 <diva> let me grab the commit 
2015-01-03 15:53 <BlueWall> you mean like the ${Const|BaseURL} things?
2015-01-03 15:53 <diva> a88bc50a168ae729307740fa84540e9571258b13
2015-01-03 15:53 <diva> yes
2015-01-03 15:53 <BlueWall> they have been working for several months.
2015-01-03 15:53 <smxy> Yeah, and Env stuff for a couple years.
2015-01-03 15:54 <diva> ok, I will revert that particular commit
2015-01-03 15:54 <diva> let me do that before you go exploring why the env isn't working
2015-01-03 15:54 <BlueWall> ok
2015-01-03 15:56 <BlueWall> the key expansion looks a little funny because so-far we have placed things in the [Const] section, and the syntax lets us separate the section and key with '|'. I saw you were using it inside a section. And in that case you just need the key part of it.
2015-01-03 15:57 <BlueWall> Does it still work for you w/o that commit?
2015-01-03 15:57 <diva> I haven't tested it
2015-01-03 15:57 <diva> I'm just putting back as it was
2015-01-03 15:58 <diva> afk, walking dog
2015-01-03 15:58 <BlueWall> ok, teseting here.
2015-01-03 15:58 <BlueWall> or testing, even
2015-01-03 16:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #3955 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2015-01-03 16:01 <BlueWall> hmm, no-go here. 
2015-01-03 16:01 <smxy> :(
2015-01-03 16:01 <BlueWall> smxy, how long since you updated?
2015-01-03 16:02 <smxy> Let me see.
2015-01-03 16:03 <smxy> The last version I was using, before all the recent changes, was opensim-r25619
2015-01-03 16:03 <smxy> I can get you the hash
2015-01-03 16:03 <BlueWall> please
2015-01-03 16:04 <smxy> fc940ab
2015-01-03 16:04 <smxy> I built it 12/23
2015-01-03 16:04 <BlueWall> ok, so it could have been some time ago.
2015-01-03 16:05 <BlueWall> I'll check it out. 
2015-01-03 16:05 <smxy> Well, that's only about a week ago.
2015-01-03 16:05 <BlueWall> right
2015-01-03 16:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3955: SUCCESS in 9 min 40 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3955/
2015-01-03 16:06 <osjenkins> diva: Remove the extra key expansion added in commit a88bc50a168ae729307740fa84540e9571258b13. It's not needed.
2015-01-03 16:06 <smxy> I should switch to that build and be sure that was the one and working for me.
2015-01-03 16:16 <smxy> Yes. On that hash, everything starts fine.
2015-01-03 16:17 <BlueWall> ok
2015-01-03 16:17 <BlueWall> I'm just tracing the startup to refresh my memory about it.
2015-01-03 16:42 <jakdaniels> djphil_ OpenSimBirds module is updated now to fix hopefully the last of the bugs ;)
2015-01-03 16:43 <djphil_> cool, i will try it
2015-01-03 16:43 <djphil_> have you see the video i send to you yesterday ?
2015-01-03 16:44 <jakdaniels> yes I did.... I think that was done with a script not a region module, but is a cool demo
2015-01-03 16:44 <djphil_> no no is a C# module
2015-01-03 16:45 <djphil_> he says in the video
2015-01-03 16:45 <jakdaniels> oh ok... sorry it was in French and my French is not good :(
2015-01-03 16:45 <djphil_> bonjour bonne année :)
2015-01-03 16:49 <skittles> hello everyone! just a quick question, is there an opensource module for handing the SendUserReport and SendUserReportWithScreenshot capabilities used by the viewer abuse report tool?
2015-01-03 16:49 <djphil_> jack, you know osSetRegionWaterHeight
2015-01-03 16:49 <BlueWall> not that I know of
2015-01-03 16:49 <djphil_> this can be used too for tide effect
2015-01-03 16:50 <jakdaniels> yes I know.
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2015-01-03 16:50 <skittles> i'll have to write one then i guess.
2015-01-03 16:52 <BlueWall> thanks, I'll watch for patches.
2015-01-03 16:52 <jakdaniels> I originally planned to do more with that module, but as it is it's less overhead than a script running on a timer, and it can sync the tides easily across multiple regions
2015-01-03 16:53 <djphil_> yes the LSL script is actually more resource hungry
2015-01-03 16:55 <H-H-H> skittles if you succede pls let me see :)
2015-01-03 16:55 <skittles> k
2015-01-03 17:00 <H-H-H> i would be interested in yhelping to develop an abuse reports modulke
2015-01-03 17:01 <H-H-H> sorry for typos my keyboard is haunted
2015-01-03 17:01 <H-H-H> i think one of the kids might have spilt something on it lol
2015-01-03 17:01 <BlueWall> haa, nice excuse! I need to jot that down on a postit-note :)
2015-01-03 17:01 <smxy> lol
2015-01-03 17:03 <H-H-H> word of advice lol dont have kids they are a nightmare
2015-01-03 17:12 <BlueWall> smxy, Env is working here 
2015-01-03 17:13 <BlueWall> diva's last commit fixed it.
2015-01-03 17:19 <smxy> I thought you said it didn't
2015-01-03 17:19 <BlueWall> well, it's a long story
2015-01-03 17:19 <smxy> [11:01] <BlueWall> hmm, no-go here.
2015-01-03 17:20 <BlueWall> After digging for an answer and seeing none, I went into my shell a looked at my git.
2015-01-03 17:20 <BlueWall> It was showing a lot of changed files that I didn't remember changing ...
2015-01-03 17:21 <BlueWall> I did some clean up to make sure I was on the latest, and it is working.
2015-01-03 17:21 <smxy> Hmm.
2015-01-03 17:21 <BlueWall> That part is a mystery to me, but it seems ok now.
2015-01-03 17:22 <smxy> I will try again
2015-01-03 17:22 <BlueWall> I'm starting to wonder if btrfs has some caching because I have seen a couple of strange things on it.
2015-01-03 17:23 <BlueWall> yep, please do and let me know. Thanks.
2015-01-03 17:25 <smxy> Building the very latest, now.
2015-01-03 17:37 <smxy> I still can't start a simulator, but not because of expansion issues, which appears to work now. The problem now is that to build her code, I copy the addon-modules dir from her code into the right spot in my build, then build. It's now picking up her example addin and failing to start because AddinExample hasn't been edited.
2015-01-03 17:37 <smxy> AddinExample.ini*
2015-01-03 17:38 <diva> run it again, and the warning will go away
2015-01-03 17:38 <smxy> Okay ...
2015-01-03 17:39 <diva> you may want to exclude that project from your build...
2015-01-03 17:39 <smxy> Yes, now I have to pick and choose from your stuff.
2015-01-03 17:40 <smxy> The regions are up now.
2015-01-03 17:40 <BlueWall> \o/
2015-01-03 17:40 <smxy> :)
2015-01-03 17:40 <smxy> Thanks, both of you.
2015-01-03 17:41 <MarcusLlew> Just so I'm 100% clear, environment variables are working now? I use those a lot. 
2015-01-03 17:41 <BlueWall> they are
2015-01-03 17:41 <MarcusLlew> Awesome. :)
2015-01-03 17:41 <BlueWall> I have between 35~40 in my main configs
2015-01-03 17:42 <smxy> The problem with picking and choosing is you'll add something I need and I won't pull it. So I think I still need to pull everything, copy it over and then delete that module from my build dir before building.
2015-01-03 17:42 <diva> funny that ppl compile and use diva-distribution as is. I don't do it like that. I always compile it separately, and I pick only the dlls that I need for deployment
2015-01-03 17:42 <smxy> Yeah, I use Environment and Const extensively.
2015-01-03 17:43 <diva> basically, except for my testing setups, I never run things from the tree on which I compile
2015-01-03 17:43 <smxy> I think that's what your instructions say/said to do, diva. Just add it to Opensim and build.
2015-01-03 17:43 <smxy> Oh I don't either.
2015-01-03 17:44 <diva> I didn't write any instructions, and that not how I do it, not even here on my dev machine
2015-01-03 17:44 <smxy> I pull OpenSim and I pull your code. Then I crete an empty build dir and checkout OpenSim to it and copy in your addon-modules dir, then build. Then I copy bin elsewhere and use that.
2015-01-03 17:46 <diva> yeah I just don't copy in bulk. I pick and choose what I need
2015-01-03 17:46 <diva> so in your case, you may want to exclude Diva.AddinExample.dll, Diva.Wifi.Processor.test.dll
2015-01-03 17:48 <diva> and even Diva.Data.SQLite
2015-01-03 17:48 <diva> Diva.LoginService
2015-01-03 17:48 <diva> there's a lot in there that is not needed on a normal installation
2015-01-03 17:48 <diva> ModulShim
2015-01-03 17:53 <smxy> Right. I think I use your loginservice though, fr the master password thing
2015-01-03 18:04 <djphil_> Last Birds Mod work fine jakdaniels
2015-01-03 19:03 <jakdaniels> smxy: I checkout diva-distribution into its own folder in /home/opensim then make a symlink called bin in that folder to ../opensim/bin . then it will build just fine in it's own space and will copy its dlls into ../opensin/bin. Then I make a symlink called WifiPages in /home/opensim/opensim back to ../diva-distribution/WifiPages/  Sounds complicated maybe, but it keeps the two git build spaces separate ;)
2015-01-03 19:04 <jakdaniels> Whether that still works now of course is something I still have to try ;)
2015-01-03 19:16 <diva> smxy the LoginService in diva-distro has nothing to do with the master password
2015-01-03 19:17 <diva> the master password feature is implemented in my extension of PasswordAuthenticationService, which lives in Diva.OpenSimServices.dll
2015-01-03 19:17 <diva> that login service dll is for me to experiment with alternative login mechanisms, ehich I did at some point, but haven't donw in a while
2015-01-03 19:18 <jakdaniels> is the master password for the admin to be able to load/save iars on behalf of other users?
2015-01-03 19:18 <diva> it's for admins to be able to login as users
2015-01-03 19:18 <jakdaniels> k
2015-01-03 19:19 <diva> so when they have something wrong with the avatars or inventory or whatever, and it's frustrating to explain via chat, you just login as them
2015-01-03 19:19 <jakdaniels> ok... that's useful
2015-01-03 19:19 <BlueWall> sudo - voodo
2015-01-03 19:19 <diva> yes :)
2015-01-03 19:20 <diva> life saver
2015-01-03 19:25 <smxy> It's also useful for making those IARs. 
2015-01-03 21:54 <jakdaniels> djphil_ OpenSimBirds module now allows you to play with the flock dynamics in real time from chat or script :)
2015-01-03 21:55 <djphil_> he he heee :)
2015-01-03 21:55 <jakdaniels> see the README ;)
2015-01-03 21:58 <djphil_> sometimes I tried to take the birds Module dll and put it in another simulator ... but it just did not work. It seems to work, the module must be compiled on the simulator. Correct?
2015-01-03 21:59 <jakdaniels> at the moment I guess so, not sure about version requirements etc
2015-01-03 21:59 <jakdaniels> have yet to delve into packaging ;)
2015-01-03 21:59 <djphil_> able to simply move the dll would be an interesting option, right?
2015-01-03 22:00 <jakdaniels> sure, or better still to use divas new packaging McThingy
2015-01-03 22:01 <djphil_> I did not understand the diva's new packaging ...
2015-01-03 22:02 <djphil_> but place the files in addons-modules is it seems a simple and affordable solution for all users (win/linux)
2015-01-03 22:03 <jakdaniels> nor me, initially, but I'm sure we'll all wonder how we did without it soon... ;)
2015-01-03 22:03 <djphil_> hehe :)
2015-01-03 22:05 <djphil_> what could be good for tide and birds is that the bin / addons modules / tide / config / silk and automatically creates the file ini.exemple silk placed directly inside ...
2015-01-03 22:09 <djphil_> it also appears that for birds modules, use an area with no nearby area. If you have a region stuck to the region with the birds, this will not work.
2015-01-03 22:10 <djphil_> it seems to me it it will not specify the readme module bird ...
2015-01-03 22:11 <jakdaniels> I've only tested on single regions or varregions... pm me with details of problem you see and I'll take a look
2015-01-03 22:12 <djphil_> kk
2015-01-03 23:25 <misterblue> diva: any reason bin/mautil.exe is not marked executable?
2015-01-03 23:26 <diva> no, it shuld be. It's probably because of cygwin issues
2015-01-03 23:26 <diva> (I use cygwin for a lot of things)
2015-01-03 23:26 <diva> can you flip it?
2015-01-03 23:27 <misterblue> same here... sure. I will check that in
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2015-01-04 05:59 <osjenkins> diva: Added utility function that simplifies configuration loading of all addins.
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2015-01-04 19:16 <osjenkins> diva: Removing the Wifi config example from Robust.HG.ini.example, because it is not needed anymore. Wifi is now a mono addin to Robust, and it can be deployed in two ways: by installing the Wifi plugin via mautil or by compiling Wifi from source, in which case it will appear in the registry when Robust starts because the Diva Wifi dlls are present in bin.
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2015-01-04 22:32 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
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2015-01-05 00:55 <AliciaRaven> BlueWall u awake?
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2015-01-05 03:10 <AliciaRaven> diva im updating my region modules but they are giving an error message trying to find CsvHelper.dll in the bin directory?
2015-01-05 03:10 <diva> did you compile diva-distro?
2015-01-05 03:11 <AliciaRaven> no, pure core code with my own region modules
2015-01-05 03:11 <diva> that is not possible
2015-01-05 03:11 <diva> CsvHelper is a dll I used in the AddinExample
2015-01-05 03:12 <diva> unless you are doing something with that addin or the diva distro itself, nothing in opensim knows about that dll
2015-01-05 03:12 <AliciaRaven> yes, i followed the wiki guide and added all that to my modules
2015-01-05 03:12 <diva> ah!
2015-01-05 03:12 <AliciaRaven> the include part in the assembly file
2015-01-05 03:12 <AliciaRaven> is it not required?
2015-01-05 03:12 <diva> you probably don't want to iinclude that dll....
2015-01-05 03:12 <diva> of course not!
2015-01-05 03:13 <diva> that's a dll for that example :)
2015-01-05 03:13 <diva> if your modules need other dlls, that's how you do it
2015-01-05 03:13 <diva> I wanted to show a complete example, not just a trivial one
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2015-01-05 03:13 <diva> many of my modules use external libraries, and even unmanaged ones
2015-01-05 03:14 <AliciaRaven> the wiki should make it clear that that is an example of how to include dll files then, it sounds like a requirment to get mono addins to work
2015-01-05 03:15 <diva> The last three directives include additional files in the package. In particular, [assembly: ImportAddinAssembly("CsvHelper.dll")] is very important, and has two purposes: (1) it includes that dll in the package and (2) it informs the "user's runtime that when our addin is loaded into memory, that dll should also be loaded."
2015-01-05 03:15 <diva> that's for that addin
2015-01-05 03:16 <diva> and if you don't have any html files, you also don't include any
2015-01-05 03:16 <diva> I'll make that clear
2015-01-05 03:16 <AliciaRaven> i didnt include those lines bcause they where called example.ini ect
2015-01-05 03:17 <AliciaRaven> if it had been called example.dll id have left it out lol
2015-01-05 03:17 <AliciaRaven> ok thanks
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2015-01-05 03:18 <osjenkins> diva: Added overloaded LoadArchSpecificWindowsDll, to help addins load native libraries.
2015-01-05 03:25 <diva> ok, I made it more clear on the wiki
2015-01-05 03:25 <AliciaRaven> k thanks diva
2015-01-05 04:32 <Ken_S> diva, after updating, I see error messages in the Robust console related to Wifi, but the messages are not in the log file.
2015-01-05 04:33 <Ken_S> I'll pm you the message showing in the console.
2015-01-05 04:33 <diva> how did you update? what dod yo uupdate?
2015-01-05 04:35 <diva> how did you update? what did you update?
2015-01-05 04:35 <Ken_S> I updated as I always do. Pulled the latest dev master and compiled.
2015-01-05 04:36 <Ken_S> http://pastebin.com/ehRKhGWQ
2015-01-05 04:36 <diva> you didn't update wifi?
2015-01-05 04:38 <Ken_S> I dont think it changed in the last few hours did it?
2015-01-05 04:39 <diva> ok, I see
2015-01-05 04:39 <diva> 1 sec
2015-01-05 04:40 <Ken_S> OK np thanks :)
2015-01-05 04:43 <diva> Diva.Interfaces changed last night
2015-01-05 04:43 <diva> I don't know if yuo pull in everything when you update wifi
2015-01-05 04:44 <Ken_S> I do it like always, but did not include the example module... did include all others.
2015-01-05 04:45 <Ken_S> I'll pull fresh again and try again.
2015-01-05 04:45 <diva> yeah pull
2015-01-05 04:45 <Ken_S> OK I just pulled and a new "Catch exception" came in
2015-01-05 04:47 <diva> can yuo please show me the log when you restart it again
2015-01-05 04:49 <Ken_S> Yes, no error messages this time... log to follow...
2015-01-05 04:51 <Ken_S> do you want the console data or log file data since they were not the same last time?
2015-01-05 04:51 <diva> show me the log
2015-01-05 04:54 <Ken_S> http://pastebin.com/EK3LXK6T
2015-01-05 04:54 <Ken_S> That still contains data from the last few startups, so only the last one is with the latest change.
2015-01-05 04:55 <Ken_S> The odd thing is that the previous error that showed in the console did not appear to be in the log file.
2015-01-05 04:56 <diva> yes, it's an exception thrown by mono addins
2015-01-05 04:58 <Ken_S> I restarted and did find this in the console:
2015-01-05 04:58 <Ken_S> 22:56:18 - [Wifi]: extension point /Diva/Wifi/Addon not found
2015-01-05 04:58 <diva> yes
2015-01-05 04:58 <diva> that's fine
2015-01-05 04:59 <diva> I have a whole other component that extends Wifi for serious grid management
2015-01-05 04:59 <diva> that what we have been using in OSCC
2015-01-05 04:59 <Ken_S> OK, so what you see here and in log looks normal now?
2015-01-05 04:59 <diva> yes
2015-01-05 05:00 <Ken_S> OK, so the exception was related to the other component that isn't with wifi?
2015-01-05 05:01 <diva> the exception was because the mono addins API is a little wird, and I misinterpreted what one of the methods does
2015-01-05 05:01 <smxy> As I recall, you're not making that other component available to the public, correct?
2015-01-05 05:02 <Ken_S> What other component?
2015-01-05 05:02 <diva> I will but not for free
2015-01-05 05:02 <smxy> The one she just told you about.
2015-01-05 05:03 <smxy> It would be interesting to see if the cost would be prohibitive for a small grid.
2015-01-05 05:03 <Ken_S> I'll be happy to see new components, even if they are not free :)
2015-01-05 05:04 <diva> that's good to know that there is interest :) I need to polish it a little more. But it's been doing its job in medium-sized grids
2015-01-05 05:05 <smxy> What features does it provide?
2015-01-05 05:05 <Ken_S> Anything would be cheaper than SL anyway you look at it lol
2015-01-05 05:05 <diva> having a revenue stream for it would place it higher on my priority list
2015-01-05 05:06 <diva> it does things like: estate management, deleting ppl from groups, creating accounts in bulk (from a spreadsheet). stuff like that
2015-01-05 05:07 <diva> I can make it do a lot more, but so far it's been on a need basis. If I need it, I code it, usually at the last minute
2015-01-05 05:07 <diva> estate management is pretty useful
2015-01-05 05:07 <smxy> Interesting. Well, when you put together a detailed description and tack a price on it, I'll at least take a good look at it, unless you're asking a fortune. :)
2015-01-05 05:08 <diva> no fortune :)
2015-01-05 05:08 <diva> it will only to pay the extra hours I put on it
2015-01-05 05:10 <diva> the bulk account creation also turns out to be very useful
2015-01-05 05:10 <diva> it's been a central feature of OSCC user management, but also for Encitra
2015-01-05 05:11 <smxy> I can see where it would be for those grids.
2015-01-05 05:11 <diva> yes. It does all the right things like assigning ppl to groups, placing them in the right region at first login, etc
2015-01-05 05:12 <smxy> Nice.
2015-01-05 05:12 <Ken_S> An easy to use GUI grid manager would be nice to have.
2015-01-05 05:12 <diva> it's web based. It's wifi, basically
2015-01-05 05:12 <diva> more on top of wifi.
2015-01-05 05:12 <diva> that's one of the reasons why I need this package manager stuff working. All my extra components were becoming a nightmare to manage
2015-01-05 05:12 <smxy> One thing I'd love to see is the ability for residents to make and download their own IARs from Wifi.
2015-01-05 05:13 <diva> that would be very easy to add, smxy. I already have the IAR upload
2015-01-05 05:13 <Ken_S> What was consuming all my time was updating 200+ sims with every code change, but custom batch files do it now in about a minute.
2015-01-05 05:13 <Ken_S> Yes that would be great!
2015-01-05 05:14 <smxy> Ken_S, I just spent the weekend evolving my grid to run all regions out of a single NFS-shared copy of the code and using a single copy of my support scripts. My life just got way easier.
2015-01-05 05:16 <diva> so yeah, maybe if I hear what ppl want, I can code it up, and make it available for a small license fee, just enough to bump it up my priority list. Usually if I don't need stuff myself, I don't work on it.
2015-01-05 05:19 <Ken_S> I'd also like to see the ability for a grid owner to let specific sim owners to make and download an oar of their sim.
2015-01-05 05:19 <Ken_S> That would take the burden of oar backup off the grid owner and put it on the sim owner.
2015-01-05 05:20 <smxy> Yes, I was thinking that too. There night need to be options to say what can be exported or not though.
2015-01-05 05:20 <Ken_S> Yes, for sure.
2015-01-05 05:20 <AliciaRaven> id like to see export perms finished
2015-01-05 05:21 <diva> yeah, me too AliciaRaven
2015-01-05 05:21 <AliciaRaven> i might start work on it myself some time when im not so busy
2015-01-05 05:21 <smxy> Generally I'd be interested in stuff that makes life easier for the residents: IAR creation, OAR creation, the ability to stop and start 1 or more of their regions at a time, etc....
2015-01-05 05:22 <AliciaRaven> right now my grid is just using full perm tests to check if things can be exported
2015-01-05 05:22 <nebadon> as a grid admin if i never have to make an iar for anyone ever that would be nice
2015-01-05 05:22 <AliciaRaven> iar and oar creating is very simple to implement, the existing code does all the hard work, a grid owner just has to code the web-sim communication part
2015-01-05 05:23 <Ken_S> Making it part of wifi would be perfect.
2015-01-05 05:23 <nebadon> not sure you could do oar via wifi
2015-01-05 05:23 <nebadon> for a grid anyway
2015-01-05 05:23 <smxy> yes, but having it as an integrated part of Wifi would be nice.
2015-01-05 05:23 <diva> noted!
2015-01-05 05:24 <diva> I'll code it up one of these days
2015-01-05 05:24 <AliciaRaven> my grid has oar via website, we dont use wifi tho
2015-01-05 05:24 <nebadon> there would need to be a wifi region component
2015-01-05 05:25 <smxy> OAR upload too, of course
2015-01-05 05:25 <AliciaRaven> we have a region manager module that the website communicates with, it handles iar and oar uploads and creation
2015-01-05 05:26 <diva> wifi already uses the XMLRPC to communicate some things with sims
2015-01-05 05:26 <diva> I mean for the estate management addon
2015-01-05 05:27 <diva> if you change the estate data, it gets propagated to the sims
2015-01-05 05:27 <diva> it uses.. what's it called... remote control thingy
2015-01-05 05:28 <smxy> Is that a technical term? :)
2015-01-05 05:28 <diva> Remote Controller, that's what it is called
2015-01-05 05:28 <dahlia> ahem... it's spelled "thingie"
2015-01-05 05:28 <diva> Remote Admin
2015-01-05 05:28 <smxy> hehe
2015-01-05 05:36 <nebadon> http://raspberrypi.nebadon2025.com:3141/
2015-01-05 05:36 <AliciaRaven> lol wha?
2015-01-05 05:36 <nebadon> :)
2015-01-05 05:37 <AliciaRaven> u should make that ur 404 page lol and add a sticking out tongue
2015-01-05 05:37 <nebadon> haha
2015-01-05 05:37 <smxy> lol
2015-01-05 05:37 <nebadon> not really sure what to with it, mostly just messing around with the noobs image at the moment
2015-01-05 05:38 <nebadon> i eventually want to reload it with opensuse
2015-01-05 05:38 <nebadon> not even going to bother trying opensim on it, these things are horribly slow
2015-01-05 05:40 <AliciaRaven> havnt tried them but they are intriguing
2015-01-05 05:40 <nebadon> ya fun to mess around with for sure
2015-01-05 05:41 <nebadon> for the price especially
2015-01-05 05:41 <nebadon> I probably should have gotten the Banana Pi
2015-01-05 05:41 <nebadon> but this is a good start
2015-01-05 05:41 <AliciaRaven> lol
2015-01-05 05:41 <AliciaRaven> is there a pumpkin pi for halloween?
2015-01-05 05:41 <nebadon> http://www.bananapi.org/
2015-01-05 05:42 <AliciaRaven> oh there really is a banana one lol
2015-01-05 05:42 <nebadon> haha ya
2015-01-05 05:43 <smxy> But is there a Banana Cream Pi? :)
2015-01-05 05:43 <smxy> Or Chocolate Cream Pi?
2015-01-05 05:43 <smxy> :)
2015-01-05 05:43 <AliciaRaven> that will be the delux model lol
2015-01-05 05:43 <smxy> haha
2015-01-05 05:46 <AliciaRaven> smxy, u have a sim full of hg gates right?
2015-01-05 05:46 <smxy> yes
2015-01-05 05:47 <AliciaRaven> any locations that u would recomend? we are building one at the moment
2015-01-05 05:47 <smxy> Heh. Sadly, I only visit them long enough to make sure I can get there and back, and rarely ever take the time to explore them.
2015-01-05 05:47 <AliciaRaven> so many places its going to be hard to sort the weat from the chaff
2015-01-05 05:48 <AliciaRaven> ah ok
2015-01-05 05:48 <AliciaRaven> our stats software says we get alot of visits from ur sim
2015-01-05 05:48 <smxy> You should feel free to come use them to see what places you like. :)
2015-01-05 05:48 <smxy> Oh, cool. :)
2015-01-05 05:49 <AliciaRaven> cool thanks, will come by some time
2015-01-05 05:49 <smxy> Then, clearly, I'd have to recommend yours, but I suspect you know about it already. :P
2015-01-05 05:49 <smxy> You're SpellScape, right?
2015-01-05 05:49 <AliciaRaven> yep
2015-01-05 05:50 <AliciaRaven> if u want to see our region its http://grid.spellscape.co.uk:80/hypergates
2015-01-05 05:50 <AliciaRaven> i think
2015-01-05 05:51 <smxy> I'll have to check it out.
2015-01-05 05:51 <smxy> My hub is quite popular.
2015-01-05 05:51 <AliciaRaven> the gates dont go antwhere but i like the sim design, nothing there is made by myself tho lol
2015-01-05 05:52 <AliciaRaven> i code, i dont build
2015-01-05 05:52 <smxy> There are so many cool paces that I don't have gates to though. I try to just go to the grid's default region, and figure folks can explore out from there, but if I were to link to all the cool places I hear about, I'd have hundreds and hundreds of gates.
2015-01-05 05:55 <AliciaRaven> thats a good aproach, we are going to be different and be targeting specific sims rather than the default regions
2015-01-05 05:56 <AliciaRaven> probably have different gates then
2015-01-05 05:56 <smxy> That's good. There's room for competition. :)
2015-01-05 05:56 <AliciaRaven> will add a gate to yours tho
2015-01-05 05:56 <smxy> Thanks.
2015-01-05 05:56 <nebadon> i need to finish my Matrix hallyway one of these years
2015-01-05 05:57 <nebadon> its to hard to keep up with hypergrid though
2015-01-05 05:57 <AliciaRaven> matrix hallway? doors to other sims i guess?
2015-01-05 05:57 <nebadon> maintaining gates manually is the worst 
2015-01-05 05:57 <nebadon> ya
2015-01-05 05:57 <smxy> I maintain mine daily. A lot of folks like that, compared to places that throw gates up and then they stop working over time and people spend more time trying to find a working gate than exploring.
2015-01-05 05:58 <AliciaRaven> i love that movie, although i get the piss taken out of me because i think reality is most probably a computer simulation anyway lol
2015-01-05 05:58 <smxy> I have mine go offline when the destination is down. I test them again when I see they are back online.
2015-01-05 05:58 <nebadon> I just don't have the time for that
2015-01-05 05:58 <nebadon> I love hypergrid, but its way to time consuming hehe
2015-01-05 05:59 <AliciaRaven> hypergrid is great, just wish the bugs would go away soon! lol
2015-01-05 05:59 <nebadon> the only place i hypergrid to are my own grids
2015-01-05 06:00 <diva> great! mono addins does install dependent packages automatically!
2015-01-05 06:00 <AliciaRaven> i go to... um dev meeting? thats about it lol
2015-01-05 06:00 <diva> phew
2015-01-05 06:00 <nebadon> ya i go between, OSCC, Avacon, Encitra, and my home grid
2015-01-05 06:00 <nebadon> thats about the limit of my hypergrid travels
2015-01-05 06:00 <AliciaRaven> you never visit me :(
2015-01-05 06:00 <AliciaRaven> lol :P
2015-01-05 06:00 <nebadon> hehe
2015-01-05 06:01 <nebadon> we need a better way to hypergrid
2015-01-05 06:01 <AliciaRaven> i spend most time on local test grids
2015-01-05 06:01 <nebadon> i don't want to run a massive script or 100s of scripts for gates
2015-01-05 06:01 <smxy> Use LMs then.
2015-01-05 06:01 <nebadon> or that either heh
2015-01-05 06:02 <nebadon> i want something i can search
2015-01-05 06:02 <nebadon> i dont even use LMs on local grid
2015-01-05 06:02 <nebadon> having 100s of LMs isnt good either
2015-01-05 06:02 <smxy> I use them locally, a lot.
2015-01-05 06:02 <AliciaRaven> mm lsl has an option to open a text box right?
2015-01-05 06:02 <smxy> But it's just a dozen or so.
2015-01-05 06:03 <nebadon> there really is no easy answer
2015-01-05 06:03 <AliciaRaven> im thinking about making a searchable single gate inworld now
2015-01-05 06:03 <nebadon> any good solution will require a lot of resources i suspect
2015-01-05 06:03 <nebadon> like google for opensim
2015-01-05 06:03 <smxy> That's what TheHyperGates did, didn't they?
2015-01-05 06:03 <nebadon> never used it
2015-01-05 06:03 <AliciaRaven> isnt that just a web directory?
2015-01-05 06:04 <nebadon> i remember seeing a bunch of them, but most of the time the bulk of listings were dead
2015-01-05 06:04 <smxy> You get on it by having one of their gates on your land.
2015-01-05 06:04 <nebadon> its like using google and finding out the first 10 pages are all dead links
2015-01-05 06:04 <nebadon> lol
2015-01-05 06:04 <smxy> yes
2015-01-05 06:04 <nebadon> your like well, guess i never need to use this ever again
2015-01-05 06:04 <AliciaRaven> another thing thats frustrating is hg links on websites, there are multiple formats and finding one that works with all viewers is impossible
2015-01-05 06:05 <nebadon> ya
2015-01-05 06:07 <AliciaRaven> biggest thing at the moment that annoys me is still firestorm and var regions on the map, makes me want to scream
2015-01-05 06:07 <smxy> yes
2015-01-05 06:08 <smxy> I haven't updated to their very latest - still broken?
2015-01-05 06:08 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/matrix_gates_01.png
2015-01-05 06:09 <AliciaRaven> yep, new release was so focused on bending over for sl that it wasn't even acknowledged
2015-01-05 06:09 <smxy> bah
2015-01-05 06:09 <nebadon> cant beleive i didnt already have a picture of my matrix hall
2015-01-05 06:09 <nebadon> had to take a new one
2015-01-05 06:10 <AliciaRaven> hehe cool, thats a great way to present gates
2015-01-05 06:10 <AliciaRaven> ours is more like stone henge
2015-01-05 06:11 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/matrix_gates_02.png
2015-01-05 06:12 <AliciaRaven> http://www.spellscape.co.uk/alicia/hypergates.jpg
2015-01-05 06:13 <AliciaRaven> the gates are stone gates in circles round the center
2015-01-05 06:13 <nebadon> nice
2015-01-05 06:13 <smxy> neat
2015-01-05 06:14 <smxy> Mine are stone arches
2015-01-05 06:14 <smxy> That looks more like a painting than a screen shot
2015-01-05 06:14 <AliciaRaven> the actual gates are like the stone henge monument in england
2015-01-05 06:14 <AliciaRaven> http://www.spellscape.co.uk/alicia/hypergates2.jpg
2015-01-05 06:16 <nebadon> nice
2015-01-05 06:16 <smxy> I'll have to add a gate to that region, in addition to your default, just so people coming to mine can get to yours easily.
2015-01-05 06:16 <smxy> More options for them.
2015-01-05 06:16 <AliciaRaven> we are making this the default region i think
2015-01-05 06:17 <smxy> Ah
2015-01-05 06:17 <AliciaRaven> not sure right now, but the center is going to be a welcome area with info etc then there are paths leading off to circles of 13 gates, each circle is a diffeent categorie
2015-01-05 06:18 <AliciaRaven> its not finished and no gates work, but the region is still open
2015-01-05 06:19 <smxy> It looks and sounds like it'll be nice.
2015-01-05 06:20 <diva> http://metaverseink.com/repo/   and that's only half of the extensions I have! First time I see them all listed and organized neatly like that. Things are starting to be a lot more under control with this mechanism!
2015-01-05 06:21 <diva> NN
2015-01-05 06:22 <smxy> Night diva :)
2015-01-05 06:24 <AliciaRaven> ,k];l]o]k
2015-01-05 06:24 <AliciaRaven> sorry, feline related keyboard incident
2015-01-05 06:24 <smxy> I have 4 cats, so I'm quite familiar with that problem. :)
2015-01-05 06:24 <AliciaRaven> lol :)
2015-01-05 06:28 <smxy> I have two brother/sister pairs. Xena and Yoda are 12 1/2. Rose and Opus are 2 1/2.
2015-01-05 06:28 <AliciaRaven> cant imagine having 4, its hard enough being woken up in the morning by one nibbling my elbow to wake up and feed him
2015-01-05 06:30 <smxy> It's okay. I just have to occasionally remind Xena and Yoda that, no, they aren't allowed to kill Rose and Opus. :)
2015-01-05 06:33 <AliciaRaven> lol yea if they arnt related they will only tolerate other cats at best
2015-01-05 06:36 <smxy> There's also the age difference. The old cats really just don't want to play or deal with rugrats at all. :)
2015-01-05 06:36 <AliciaRaven> lol
2015-01-05 06:37 <AliciaRaven> here in the UK there was a docujmentary recently where they put GPS and mini collar cams on 50 cats in the same town to see how they interacted
2015-01-05 06:42 <smxy> Some scientists did that to see what the average cat day was like and discovered that they really are murderous little f*cks. :)
2015-01-05 06:42 <nebadon> ya my cat is a mass murderer im pretty sure
2015-01-05 06:43 <nebadon> anything in the yard that makes noise that he doesnt approve of gets snuffed
2015-01-05 06:43 <AliciaRaven> lol yea my cat catches alot of voles, but dosnt leave the house much
2015-01-05 06:43 <nebadon> i had a cat a long time ago he was huge
2015-01-05 06:43 <nebadon> 21 pounds
2015-01-05 06:43 <nebadon> he could stand at the kitchen counter with his paws on the counter and eat out of a bowl
2015-01-05 06:43 <smxy> Mine are indoor-only, so Xena hunts pieces of paper. You should hear her yowl with pride when she gets one and drags it upstairs to give me as a present. :)
2015-01-05 06:44 <nebadon> he would bring home live crows in his mouth
2015-01-05 06:44 <nebadon> and bluejays
2015-01-05 06:44 <smxy> yikes
2015-01-05 06:44 <AliciaRaven> my friend has one thats so fat its actualy round, keep telling her she over feeds it but she doesnt listen
2015-01-05 06:44 <nebadon> he was so big if he was outside and people would drive by and slam on their brakes
2015-01-05 06:44 <nebadon> and ask what he was
2015-01-05 06:44 <AliciaRaven> lol
2015-01-05 06:44 <smxy> Was he a Maine Coon?
2015-01-05 06:45 <smxy> They are huge.
2015-01-05 06:45 <nebadon> no he was just a mutant alley cat we adopted
2015-01-05 06:45 <nebadon> the biggest of the litter
2015-01-05 06:45 <AliciaRaven> sounds like  greedy cat to me lol
2015-01-05 06:46 <AliciaRaven> my cat is picky about eating cat food but wants what ever i have, even if it has curry sauce on it
2015-01-05 07:02 <smxy> Time for bed. Night All.
2015-01-05 07:02 <AliciaRaven> gnight
2015-01-05 07:05 <AliciaRaven> 7am so maybe i should sleep aswell lol
2015-01-05 20:36 <osmantis> Bug #7396:04 Recording of stats triggers bad hardware address length message on console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7396 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-05 20:59 <osmantis> Bug #7396:04 Recording of stats triggers bad hardware address length message on console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7396 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-05 21:06 <osmantis> Bug #7396:04 Recording of stats triggers bad hardware address length message on console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7396 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-05 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #7396:04 Recording of stats triggers bad hardware address length message on console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7396 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-05 21:11 <osmantis> Bug #7396:04 Recording of stats triggers bad hardware address length message on console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7396 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-05 21:24 <osmantis> Bug #7396:04 Recording of stats triggers bad hardware address length message on console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7396 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-05 21:42 <Ken_S> It looks like Aurora once had a city module that could automaticall build a random city including terrain.
2015-01-05 21:42 <Ken_S> The src is here: https://github.com/CobraElDiablo/CityModule
2015-01-05 21:43 <Ken_S> It would be so cool if Opensim had something like that.
2015-01-05 21:51 <osmantis> Bug #7396:04 Recording of stats triggers bad hardware address length message on console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7396 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-05 21:56 <osmantis> Bug #7396:04 Recording of stats triggers bad hardware address length message on console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7396 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-05 22:21 <Velus> where can i find a good tut on installing opensim on linux?
2015-01-05 22:29 <osmantis> Bug #7400:04 Console feature that can automatically build a random city including buildings, roads, & terrain. Aurora source code attached. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7400 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2015-01-06 02:59 <osmantis> Bug #7400:04 Console feature that can automatically build a random city including buildings, roads, & terrain. Aurora source code attached. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7400 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-01-06 03:01 <nebadon> misterblue ping
2015-01-06 03:02 <nebadon> whats the stats of the avatar capsule replacement
2015-01-06 03:02 <osmantis> Bug #7400:04 Console feature that can automatically build a random city including buildings, roads, & terrain. Aurora source code attached. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7400 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-06 03:02 <nebadon> we were on avacon grid earlier and there was a lot of questions about why its so hard to sometimes walk over even the smallest prim walls
2015-01-06 03:02 <nebadon> like a small curb somtimes at like a 45 degree angle you cant walk over it
2015-01-06 03:03 <nebadon> unless your straight ahead walking towards it
2015-01-06 03:03 <nebadon> I remember you said you had a new capsule implementation that you were testing?
2015-01-06 03:09 <Ken_S> nebadon,  when going over things straight on it seems like the AV kinda vaults up in the air too.
2015-01-06 03:09 <Ken_S> It didnt do this in Bulletsim some time back.
2015-01-06 03:10 <nebadon> yea
2015-01-06 03:10 <nebadon> not sure whats up
2015-01-06 03:11 <nebadon> im not running the very latest code on avacon
2015-01-06 03:11 <nebadon> but its probably like a month to 1.5 months old at most
2015-01-06 03:11 <nebadon> so its not super new problem
2015-01-06 03:11 <nebadon> im pretty sure its the capsule itself
2015-01-06 03:11 <Ken_S> Yea, its been doing that vaulting thing for some time.
2015-01-06 03:12 <nebadon> the other problem to is you cant go over just about anything in reverse
2015-01-06 03:12 <nebadon> even like a 0.05 thick cube
2015-01-06 03:12 <nebadon> is like a brick wall walking backwards
2015-01-06 03:12 <nebadon> I think because of the tilted capsule
2015-01-06 03:12 <nebadon> when your moving forward its like your dragging a shovel behind you
2015-01-06 03:12 <nebadon> when your walking backwards its like your pushing a shovel
2015-01-06 03:13 <nebadon> so the slightest lip stops you
2015-01-06 03:13 <Ken_S> Yes, and stairs made from a prim cut into an "L" shape to reduce prim usage behave very different than 2 prims stacked.
2015-01-06 03:14 <Ken_S> This was so minor compared to other things, I kinda forgot about it.
2015-01-06 03:15 <nebadon> ya
2015-01-06 03:15 <nebadon> mesh stairs i still find impossible to traverse for the most part
2015-01-06 03:15 <nebadon> still kind of need to make them phantom with a ramp
2015-01-06 03:15 <nebadon> that i dont mind
2015-01-06 03:15 <nebadon> its the super tiny curbs that are kind of a show stopper for me
2015-01-06 03:16 <Ken_S> I guess you saw that I finally found that Aurora automatic city building code.
2015-01-06 03:16 <nebadon> bad experience for new comers
2015-01-06 03:16 <nebadon> ya i saw that
2015-01-06 03:16 <Ken_S> Yea, really vehicles is still the biggest show stopper for most former SL people.
2015-01-06 03:17 <nebadon> well ya, but there are some work arounds for vehicles
2015-01-06 03:18 <Ken_S> The AV rezzing and border crossings are really pretty good now.
2015-01-06 03:18 <nebadon> it would be nice to have better support all around
2015-01-06 03:18 <nebadon> vehicles in bulletsim seem to use a considerable amount of CPU
2015-01-06 03:18 <Ken_S> Yes, I noticed, but your latest racer does work rather well :)
2015-01-06 03:20 <Ken_S> Still noticing some TP issues sometimes.
2015-01-06 03:20 <Ken_S> Usually associated with aq var region.
2015-01-06 03:34 <osmantis> Bug #7401:04 User Prefs request overwrites with default values before reading 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7401 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-06 03:35 <osmantis> Bug #7400:04 Console feature that can automatically build a random city including buildings, roads, & terrain. Aurora source code attached. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7400 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-06 03:37 <AliciaRaven> BlueWall, when you have a minute could u check the bug i submitted above, 7401. Thanks :)
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2015-01-06 05:09 <AllenKerensky> OSgrid update for 2015-01-05 http://news.osgrid.org/
2015-01-06 10:42 <osmantis> Bug #7401:04 User Prefs request overwrites with default values before reading 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7401 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-01-06 13:37 <osmantis> Bug #7400:04 Console feature that can automatically build a random city including buildings, roads, & terrain. Aurora source code attached. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7400 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-06 15:28 <osmantis> Bug #7402:04 EM terrain downloading does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7402 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-06 17:08 <jakdaniels> ping diva . In LoadConfiguration(IConfigSource config) helper function in your Addins documentation, where does AssemblyDirectory get defined?
2015-01-06 17:09 <diva> here: https://github.com/diva/diva-distribution/blob/master/addon-modules/02AddinExample/AddinExampleModule.cs#L33
2015-01-06 17:09 <jakdaniels> Ah excellent, thank you.
2015-01-06 17:09 <diva> But try to use the generic utility function in OpenSim.Framework.Util
2015-01-06 17:10 <jakdaniels> I was trying to retrofit an existing module so missed looking at the example
2015-01-06 17:15 <jakdaniels> there are lots of .*Dir functions in Util, not sure which one I could use that points to the embedded ini location that came with the addin
2015-01-06 17:16 <diva> OpenSim.Framework.Util.MergeConfigurationFile
2015-01-06 17:17 <diva> (this is in the instructions, under TECH TIP: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Developing_OpenSim_Addins#Configuration)
2015-01-06 17:17 <jakdaniels> Ah, I see what you mean now... duh, yes I'll look at this :)
2015-01-06 18:35 <Velus> hey is anyone about?
2015-01-06 18:47 <LiruCookies> Mew
2015-01-06 18:47 <LiruCookies> 
ACTION is no one, though.

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2015-01-06 20:07 <osmantis> Bug #7400:04 Console feature that can automatically build a random city including buildings, roads, & terrain. Aurora source code attached. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7400 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-06 20:07 <osmantis> Bug #7403:04 Failure to deliver assets to some viewers in a region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7403 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-06 20:10 <osmantis> Bug #7403:04 Failure to deliver assets to some viewers in a region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7403 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-01-06 21:02 <AliciaRaven> justincc, im reading last weeks meeting log and it seems to be a double paste?
2015-01-06 21:03 <justincc> AliciaRaven: oops thanks.  Corrected
2015-01-06 21:04 <AliciaRaven> k thanks
2015-01-06 21:16 <osmantis> Bug #7404:04 Terrain editing tools (bulldozer) behaving oddly -- terraforming 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7404 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-06 21:25 <osmantis> Bug #7405:04 Unable to HGTP home to a self-hosted region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7405 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-06 22:20 <diva> hey cmickeyb were you able to package everything yuo wanted?
2015-01-06 22:20 <cmickeyb> no
2015-01-06 22:20 <cmickeyb> only if i flatten it out and put everything into bin
2015-01-06 22:20 <cmickeyb> including the ini files
2015-01-06 22:20 <diva> did you see my emails?
2015-01-06 22:20 <diva> you can have subfolders
2015-01-06 22:20 <cmickeyb> yeah
2015-01-06 22:20 <cmickeyb> mautils still fails
2015-01-06 22:20 <cmickeyb> just sent a response
2015-01-06 22:21 <diva> show me what you have, the directives. Are they in your repo?
2015-01-06 22:21 <cmickeyb> i sent in the email the corresponding lines from prebuild and assembyinfo
2015-01-06 22:21 <diva> I use subfolders in the wifi package
2015-01-06 22:22 <diva> let me read your email
2015-01-06 22:22 <cmickeyb> mautil fails to find the files if i try to compile from source into the directory and have the assembly use that directory structure
2015-01-06 22:22 <cmickeyb> and...
2015-01-06 22:23 <cmickeyb> i had opensim fail yesterday when it tried to load the dll with a link to the ini file when the ini file wasn't in the subdirectory
2015-01-06 22:23 <cmickeyb> so i could only make it work by flattening everything
2015-01-06 22:23 <diva> wait
2015-01-06 22:23 <diva> where are you placing the dll?
2015-01-06 22:23 <diva> in dispatcher or in bin?
2015-01-06 22:23 <cmickeyb> i tried both
2015-01-06 22:23 <diva> if yo place it in bin it should work
2015-01-06 22:23 <cmickeyb> if i put the dll into dispatcher it obviously doens't work
2015-01-06 22:23 <cmickeyb> the dll doesn't get loaded
2015-01-06 22:24 <cmickeyb> so the dll has to be in bin when built from source
2015-01-06 22:24 <diva> yes, if you run that tree
2015-01-06 22:24 <diva> and for packaging, you can have the dll in bin and the other files in a subfolder
2015-01-06 22:24 <cmickeyb> i'm in the process of completely changing all of my build/install/deploy scripts
2015-01-06 22:25 <cmickeyb> in the past... running multiple instances of opensim (each with a unique configuration) was *much* easier with a complete copy of the build tree
2015-01-06 22:25 <cmickeyb> in theory... that won't work any more becauseo f the dll registration
2015-01-06 22:25 <cmickeyb> which is good
2015-01-06 22:25 <cmickeyb> but means i need to change a lot
2015-01-06 22:26 <diva> ok
2015-01-06 22:26 <diva> but subfolder work in packaging. I use it https://github.com/diva/diva-distribution/blob/master/addon-modules/21Wifi/Properties/AssemblyInfo.cs#L49
2015-01-06 22:26 <diva> let me know if you need my help later on
2015-01-06 22:27 <cmickeyb> i'll take a look at that... but i can't get it to work
2015-01-06 22:27 <cmickeyb> either the build tree fails 
2015-01-06 22:27 <cmickeyb> or the install tree fails
2015-01-06 22:27 <cmickeyb> errr... packaging for install
2015-01-06 22:27 <diva> doe sthe packaging suceed?
2015-01-06 22:27 <cmickeyb> no
2015-01-06 22:28 <diva> packaging should work. did you push what you have? I can take a look
2015-01-06 22:28 <cmickeyb> with subdirectories i cannot make both build & packaging work
2015-01-06 22:28 <cmickeyb> i can make packaging work by building everything into the bin directory
2015-01-06 22:29 <cmickeyb> and letting mautil unpack into the dispatcher directory
2015-01-06 22:29 <cmickeyb> so bin/docs and bin/dispathermodule.dll and bin/config/dispatcher.ini.example
2015-01-06 22:30 <cmickeyb> i have to go get on an airplane
2015-01-06 22:30 <diva> ok :)
2015-01-06 22:30 <cmickeyb> i'll play some more & push what i have later 
2015-01-06 22:30 <diva> are you coming don here?
2015-01-06 22:30 <cmickeyb> might not be until thrusday
2015-01-06 22:30 <cmickeyb> not that far
2015-01-06 22:30 <cmickeyb> santa clara
2015-01-06 22:30 <diva> ok
2015-01-06 22:30 <cmickeyb> gotta run for now
2015-01-06 22:31 <diva> bye
2015-01-06 22:33 <Velus> can someone please help me with my system i have set up robust and opensim ini but when i try to log in its saying it cant find the region?
2015-01-06 22:54 <Velus> its ok i fixed it now
2015-01-06 23:23 <osmantis> Bug #7400:04 Console feature that can automatically build a random city including buildings, roads, & terrain. Aurora source code attached. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7400 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-06 23:26 <osmantis> Bug #7400:04 Console feature that can automatically build a random city including buildings, roads, & terrain. Aurora source code attached. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7400 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-06 23:29 <Velus> hey justinccAfk 
2015-01-06 23:33 <justincc> hi Velus
2015-01-06 23:33 <Velus> i noticed in the config files some new bits about web service acess like to user create and that is there any docs on it yet
2015-01-06 23:33 <justincc> Velus: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/UserAccountService#createuser
2015-01-06 23:33 <Velus>  ; AllowGetAuthInfo = false like this?
2015-01-06 23:33 <justincc> naturally, you need to be very careful when allowing such calls that only you or very trusted parties can make them
2015-01-06 23:33 <Velus> yes ofc i know, i am creating a closed grid shortly and well i will be creating the webgui for it soon and it would be eaiser if the roubust server deals with the stuff and not the db its self as going directly to the db can be trouble if gone wrong
2015-01-06 23:33 <Velus> has there been much done on the choose avatar lately
2015-01-06 23:34 <justincc> not really, though a good amount of choosing in itself would be up to the web interface
2015-01-06 23:34 <justincc> I know the diva interface has that kind of thing
2015-01-06 23:37 <Velus> yeah i know im looking to put somthing on my webgui something that will run on domain.com and not domain.com:8080 or what ever the port i
2015-01-06 23:41 <diva> the port has nothing to do with the web app or with robust. You can place anything on port 80, including a robust server. Or redirect from it to another port
2015-01-06 23:50 <Velus> yes i know i would also like to still create my own in php lol
2015-01-06 23:51 <Velus> http://1.1.1.1:8003/accounts/METHOD=createuser&FirstName=john&LastName=smith&Password=test&PrincipalID=3a1c8128-908f-4455-8157-66c96a46f75e this is not working yet i have set the stuff to true in the ini? is there something im doing wrong here?
2015-01-06 23:51 <Velus> obvs the 1.1.1.1 is not the actual ip address
2015-01-06 23:52 <justincc> do "debug http in 6" on the robust console to see what it is receiving
2015-01-06 23:54 <Velus> ok one sec
2015-01-06 23:56 <Velus> 23:55:30 - [LOGHTTP]: HTTP IN 2 :8003 not set content type handler GET /accounts
2015-01-06 23:56 <Velus> 128-908f-4455-8157-66c96a46f75e from 31.116.241.29:54167
2015-01-06 23:56 <Velus> 23:55:30 - [LOGHTTP]: SERVICE]: Starting user grid service
2015-01-06 23:56 <Velus> 23:55:30 - [LOGHTTP]: HTTP IN 2 :8003 took 8msables already up to date at revisi
2015-01-06 23:56 <justincc> so, that robust instance appears not to host the user accounts service
2015-01-06 23:58 <Velus> ??? how dont it? 
2015-01-06 23:58 <Velus> all i have is robust and one region on opensim.ini/exe
2015-01-06 23:58 <justincc> pastebin the output of "show http-handlers"
2015-01-06 23:59 <justincc> Oh I see.  YOu want to POST the request, not GET it
2015-01-07 00:00 <Velus> http://pastebin.com/4z0nwpWp
2015-01-07 00:00 <justincc> Yes, you see POST:/accounts there.  The endpoint exists but you need to POST all requests to it, not GET them
2015-01-07 00:01 <Velus> ok how would i post them in a browser?
2015-01-07 00:01 <justincc> I don't know, though I'm sure there's a way
2015-01-07 00:03 <Velus> http://pastebin.com/s7qfr0Yh this is what im getting now when i try to send to ip:8003/accounts/ and ip:8003/
2015-01-07 00:04 <justincc> well, making an OPTIONS requrest won't get you anywhere fast
2015-01-07 00:04 <justincc> I don't think you know what you're doing
2015-01-07 00:05 <AliciaRaven> Velus, you need a html form with submit button to post data
2015-01-07 00:05 <Velus> yes i also have a simple sender on a app and it will send stuff in the way you need
2015-01-07 00:09 <Velus> but that dont seem to be working on it 
2015-01-07 00:09 <Velus> hmm im using somthing called advanced restapi for chrome
2015-01-07 00:12 <Velus> im gonna write up a little php and see if i can do it that way
2015-01-07 00:14 <justincc> I have some example code for that at https://github.com/justincc/opensimulator-tools/tree/master/integration/php/src/programs/users/create-user
2015-01-07 00:15 <Velus> thanks justincc  your a life saver atm
2015-01-07 00:16 <Velus> when your in hospital heped up on morphine thinking little things is har d lol
2015-01-07 00:16 <justincc> I don't think I would be doing coding under that circumstance :)
2015-01-07 00:19 <Velus> justincc, i like the set of tools but im going for a smoke and ill be back soon
2015-01-07 00:34 <Velus> why not justincc its funny and good lol
2015-01-07 00:37 <osmantis> Bug #7400:04 Console feature that can automatically build a random city including buildings, roads, & terrain. Aurora source code attached. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7400 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-07 00:42 <Velus> justincc, what is attic?
2015-01-07 00:46 <justincc> Velus: attic is just a space for old stuff I don't want to throw away.  A bad habit
2015-01-07 00:47 <Velus> ok lol yeah i have some like that my self like ssu (self storage unit) lol
2015-01-07 01:02 <osmantis> Bug #7357:04 Recent commit change now makes it impossible to stop the default SL sit animation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7357 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-01-07 01:13 <Dayna> I'm looking at using some custom fonts.  For osSetFontName.  Where is the folder for fonts located at? 
2015-01-07 01:17 <justincc> it's going to be however your system loads fonts for GDI+, not part of opensimulator itself
2015-01-07 01:34 <Dayna> Okay thanks 
2015-01-07 01:39 <nebadon> oh man mic bowmans twitter account got hijacked
2015-01-07 01:39 <nebadon> i emailed him
2015-01-07 01:40 <nebadon> do not click the links if you look at his account
2015-01-07 01:44 <AllenKerensky> oof what it is with the rash of asshats lately? Metro? Sony? Xbox? now this?
2015-01-07 02:28 <osmantis> Bug #7396:04 Recording of stats triggers bad hardware address length message on console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7396 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-07 02:41 <misterblue> ping Nebadon re stairs
2015-01-07 02:42 <nebadon> hello misterblue
2015-01-07 02:42 <misterblue> hello there.... the problems mentioned in the chat earlier are all tunable... 
2015-01-07 02:43 <misterblue> since the stairs implementation is different than SL, it is hard to tune it to be exact
2015-01-07 02:43 <nebadon> yea I am not so much worried about it matching SL
2015-01-07 02:43 <misterblue> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/BulletSim#Avatar_Walking_Up_Stairs describes the parameters
2015-01-07 02:44 <nebadon> ok, the other real problem is it seems to like vault you up
2015-01-07 02:44 <nebadon> when you go over even the slightest raised surface
2015-01-07 02:44 <misterblue> walking up stairs is a kludge... really should be raycasting for the step and adjusting the avatar as if they raised a foot to step on the step
2015-01-07 02:44 <nebadon> ok so maybe stepforcefactor for that?
2015-01-07 02:44 <nebadon> ya that would be nice
2015-01-07 02:45 <nebadon> what about the new capsule you said you had
2015-01-07 02:45 <misterblue> short of that, when an avatar collides with something, BulletSim checks to see if the collision is close to the ground
2015-01-07 02:45 <nebadon> i assume we still have a tilted capsule?
2015-01-07 02:45 <nebadon> seems like when you walk forward its like your dragging a shovel behind you
2015-01-07 02:45 <misterblue> if close and the avatar is facing the collision surface, the avatar is moved up to simulate stepping up
2015-01-07 02:45 <nebadon> but when you walk backwards its like your pushing the shovel
2015-01-07 02:45 <misterblue> the BulletSim capsule is not tilted
2015-01-07 02:45 <nebadon> ok so maybe that step force just needs toning down a bit
2015-01-07 02:46 <nebadon> ok wierd
2015-01-07 02:46 <nebadon> why is backwards different than forwards then?
2015-01-07 02:46 <misterblue> it is now an ovid cylinder... a little wider then deep... with flat top and bottom
2015-01-07 02:47 <misterblue> the Bullet 'capsule' shape had too many bugs... it is obviously not used much... and the cylinder is less CPU to compute the collisions
2015-01-07 02:47 <nebadon> maybe its the sharp edge?
2015-01-07 02:47 <misterblue> ya... the is the tendency to pop up.... but I've had problems making stairs work consistantly for both small and large avatars
2015-01-07 02:47 <nebadon> walking backwards even like an 0.1 or maybe even less
2015-01-07 02:48 <nebadon> its like walking into a brick wall
2015-01-07 02:48 <misterblue> yes... you can't pick up your feet to step up when walking backwards :)
2015-01-07 02:48 <nebadon> the problems we were having arent even with stairs
2015-01-07 02:48 <nebadon> its actually floors
2015-01-07 02:48 <misterblue> definitly not like SL
2015-01-07 02:48 <nebadon> if things are even slightly misaligned
2015-01-07 02:48 <misterblue> small edges in floors
2015-01-07 02:49 <nebadon> sometimes becomes impassable
2015-01-07 02:49 <nebadon> unless you are on a 45 degree angle on aproach
2015-01-07 02:49 <misterblue> that problem has to do with computing the height of the avatar -- avatar locations are tracked as the center of the avatar (half height off ground)
2015-01-07 02:49 <nebadon> ok well i can mess wtih those numbers a bit too and see what i can find
2015-01-07 02:50 <misterblue> the computation of the height is tweeked in many places to try and really figure out the bottom of the avatar 
2015-01-07 02:50 <misterblue> you also see this in the feet-in-the-ground problem
2015-01-07 02:50 <nebadon> ya
2015-01-07 02:50 <nebadon> sometimes see folded up feet
2015-01-07 02:50 <nebadon> mostly when your standing on mesh though
2015-01-07 02:51 <misterblue> feet folding is done by the viewer -- the viewer has to compute the actual bottom of the avatar based on its position and height and then see of t he bottom is below what is being stood on
2015-01-07 02:52 <misterblue> the calculations don't have to be far off for the simulator to think the avatar bottom is in a different place than the viewer does
2015-01-07 02:52 <nebadon> yea sounds complicated heh
2015-01-07 02:53 <misterblue> one thing I could do is add a fudge to the avatar bottom when checking for stairs
2015-01-07 02:53 <nebadon> ok well I had a big group of people asking why they were experiencing these problems and I was trying to explain the best I could
2015-01-07 02:53 <misterblue> yes... the reason is esoteric and wouldn't satisfy a user who just wants to walk up stairs
2015-01-07 02:53 <nebadon> we have a big Community region on Avacon grid we are pulling groups from SL into 
2015-01-07 02:54 <nebadon> some of them its kind of their first experience in opensim
2015-01-07 02:54 <nebadon> so of course they find a ton of faults right away lol
2015-01-07 02:55 <misterblue> "faults" when they really mean "not like SL"
2015-01-07 02:57 <misterblue> these edges on the floor... about how big are they? 0.1m? 0.05m?
2015-01-07 02:58 <nebadon> something like that let me log in and test again
2015-01-07 02:58 <nebadon> it was pretty small lip
2015-01-07 03:03 <nebadon> interesting misterblue
2015-01-07 03:03 <nebadon> now it wont do it
2015-01-07 03:03 <nebadon> maybe it has something to do with big group of people
2015-01-07 03:03 <misterblue> different avatar? the height might make a difference
2015-01-07 03:03 <nebadon> no same avatar i was using yesterday
2015-01-07 03:04 <misterblue> don't know how  the group would make a difference... odd
2015-01-07 03:04 <nebadon> ya very odd
2015-01-07 03:04 <nebadon> it was easily repeated yesterday
2015-01-07 03:05 <nebadon> now i cant even make it happen once
2015-01-07 03:05 <nebadon> i dont even think region was restarted or anything
2015-01-07 03:09 <misterblue> I should probably add the step tuning parameters to OpenSimDefaults
2015-01-07 03:10 <AllenKerensky> heisenbugs
2015-01-07 03:10 <nebadon> the only difference yesterday was a bunch of avatars were also standing on the same prim
2015-01-07 03:10 <misterblue> must have been their weight pushing the prim down ;-)
2015-01-07 03:10 <nebadon> lol
2015-01-07 03:12 <Ken_S> Nebadon, I have noticed this when my AV is the only one around.
2015-01-07 03:12 <Ken_S> It comes and goes.
2015-01-07 03:13 <Ken_S> But even a tiny difference in the height of 2 prims wont let you go over it.
2015-01-07 03:13 <Ken_S> It feels like an invisible wall is there and you dont know what's causing it.
2015-01-07 03:13 <nebadon> yea exactly
2015-01-07 03:14 <Ken_S> I even searched for invisible prims one time lol
2015-01-07 03:14 <misterblue> I hate to revisit the avatar height computation... LL messed it up so badly... I might just make the fudge larger for the moment
2015-01-07 03:17 <Ken_S> misterblue, whatever you come up with please throw it in OpenSimDefaults. :)
2015-01-07 04:32 <misterblue> SL is very forgiving about steps... anything under 1m approached from any angle is stepped over
2015-01-07 05:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #3963 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-07 05:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3963: SUCCESS in 9 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3963/
2015-01-07 05:34 <osjenkins> diva: Donation of robust network connectors for estate service, as promised. This allows to have one central database for estates without having to open the MySql port. This is off by default, so not to disturb everyone's existing installations. To use it, see GridCommon.ini.example [EstateDataStore] section and Robust*.ini.example's new additions.
2015-01-07 11:27 <Velus> oh justin aint about :(
2015-01-07 13:33 <osmantis> Bug #7357:04 Recent commit change now makes it impossible to stop the default SL sit animation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7357 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-01-07 14:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #3964 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-07 14:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3964: SUCCESS in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3964/
2015-01-07 14:49 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: tweek step parameters and logic to make walking up steps
2015-01-07 14:49 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: make computation of hole cut in hull tester explicit
2015-01-07 14:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #3965 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-07 14:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3965: SUCCESS in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3965/
2015-01-07 14:54 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: fix line ending problems.
2015-01-07 18:20 <Ken_S> misterblue, the changes make it seem much more natural walking up steps now.
2015-01-07 18:21 <Ken_S> Best I can tell, the AV appears to be able to make steps under .75 meter high, and
2015-01-07 18:21 <Ken_S> the AV no longer vaults up and over the steps. MUCH better now!
2015-01-07 18:21 <Ken_S> Thanks misterblue!
2015-01-07 18:56 <osmantis> Bug #7396:04 Recording of stats triggers bad hardware address length message on console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7396 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-07 19:05 <Velus>  /msg NickServ identify we9529xn
2015-01-07 19:05 <Velus> ooops  i need to change my pass now lol epic fail
2015-01-07 19:05 <Plugh> I was going to comment about walking over steps when moving backwards but I see that was already mentioned in the email.
2015-01-07 19:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #3966 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-07 19:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3966: SUCCESS in 4 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3966/
2015-01-07 19:14 <osjenkins> diva: Added a different/better way of specifying data services in DataSnapshot -- using DATA_SRV_ keys, one per service. This allows 3rd party modules to add data services automatically.
2015-01-07 19:24 <nebadon> anybody know whats up with this >
2015-01-07 19:24 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/feZMWpfS
2015-01-07 19:24 <nebadon> i just updated a region and now it won't start anymore
2015-01-07 19:24 <nebadon> diva any clue?
2015-01-07 19:24 <diva> yes
2015-01-07 19:25 <diva> you need to use the updated Grid.ini /GridHypergrid.ini
2015-01-07 19:25 <nebadon> uhg
2015-01-07 19:25 <nebadon> that sucks
2015-01-07 19:25 <Plugh> My first thought is always one of a bad URL for a database connection or error in username or password.
2015-01-07 19:25 <nebadon> what a pain
2015-01-07 19:25 <diva> it doesn't suck . You shold ALWAYS use the updated versionos of those files
2015-01-07 19:25 <diva> those files are a trict contract
2015-01-07 19:25 <diva> strict
2015-01-07 19:25 <diva> you can only costumize GridCommon
2015-01-07 19:26 <nebadon> ya but when your not running from /bin
2015-01-07 19:26 <nebadon> now i have to go update a ton of those files
2015-01-07 19:26 <nebadon> pain
2015-01-07 19:26 <Plugh> shell scripts ftw. :)
2015-01-07 19:26 <nebadon> plus i have to edit the path on one of those to make it work
2015-01-07 19:26 <nebadon> oh well
2015-01-07 19:26 <Plugh> Can you script the update process to keep life simple?
2015-01-07 19:26 <nebadon> so much for a quick update
2015-01-07 19:26 <nebadon> no
2015-01-07 19:27 <diva> what path do you need to update?
2015-01-07 19:27 <Plugh> If the files were on one machine regexxer might have helped.
2015-01-07 19:27 <diva> you shouldn't need to update any path 
2015-01-07 19:29 <Plugh> I'm trying to track down the code that handles changing perms on an object. Would that be some routine(s) in the files that handle SOGs?
2015-01-07 19:29 <nebadon> [Includes]
2015-01-07 19:29 <nebadon>     Include-Common = "/home/avgrid/grid_01/configs/staff-01/config-include/GridCommon.ini"
2015-01-07 19:29 <Plugh> s/object/linkset/
2015-01-07 19:29 <nebadon> this in GridHypergrid.ini
2015-01-07 19:31 <diva> and why do you have to change it?
2015-01-07 19:31 <diva> just make sure that file is updated on every update of opensim
2015-01-07 19:31 <nebadon> because if i dont
2015-01-07 19:31 <nebadon> it cant find the files
2015-01-07 19:31 <nebadon> i dont keep ini files in /bin
2015-01-07 19:31 <nebadon> so you have to have literal path to things
2015-01-07 19:31 <diva> ?
2015-01-07 19:32 <diva> why don't you update the file?
2015-01-07 19:32 <nebadon> because its not in /bin/config-include
2015-01-07 19:32 <diva> I don't get it. What's the problem? YOu can update any file in the file system
2015-01-07 19:33 <nebadon> its customized
2015-01-07 19:33 <nebadon> i cant just replace the file
2015-01-07 19:33 <diva> what?!
2015-01-07 19:33 <nebadon> don't worry about it
2015-01-07 19:33 <diva> you're calling for a lot of trouble if you do that...
2015-01-07 19:33 <diva> relaly don't do that!
2015-01-07 19:33 <diva> don't chage these files!
2015-01-07 19:33 <Plugh> Changes were made to allow use of {somestuff} to pick up settings from a section/key in the ini. Perhaps it would be useful to do something like {thisdirectory} that could be useful
2015-01-07 19:34 <nebadon> well i don't know how to do it otherwise
2015-01-07 19:34 <diva> talk to me this weekend
2015-01-07 19:40 <Plugh> A git log message refers to an "object's folded permissions". What are folded perms?
2015-01-07 19:47 <nebadon> An object's folded permissions are the permissions of the items in the object's inventory. If an object contains a no-copy or no-transfer item then when the object changes ownership the object itself should also become no-copy or no-transfer. But currently OpenSim doesn't always apply the folded permissions, so users that receive an object may have more permissions over it than they should.
2015-01-07 19:47 <nebadon> looks like there might be a bug report on this already Plugh
2015-01-07 19:47 <nebadon> i just quoted from it
2015-01-07 19:48 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6916
2015-01-07 19:48 <nebadon> justin and oren, it even has a patch
2015-01-07 19:48 <nebadon> i wonder whats up with this
2015-01-07 19:50 <Plugh> Thanks. That report is somewhat related to a bug I'm trying to track down.
2015-01-07 19:51 <nebadon> yea
2015-01-07 19:52 <nebadon> i wonder why patch wasnt applied
2015-01-07 19:52 <nebadon> i dont feel like reading through it, may say why
2015-01-07 19:52 <nebadon> im so sick right now, this sucks
2015-01-07 19:52 <nebadon> remind me not to go around little kids anymore
2015-01-07 19:52 <nebadon> lol
2015-01-07 19:52 <nebadon> sisters kids got me so sick
2015-01-07 20:10 <nebadon> 
ACTION crawls back to bed

2015-01-07 20:13 <Plugh> Hope you feel better soon, nebadon.
2015-01-07 20:14 <Plugh> definitely stuff going around. I know about a half-dozen other people currently under the weather in one way or another.
2015-01-07 20:16 <justincc> Melanie_T: ping
2015-01-07 20:24 <Velus> hey justincc 
2015-01-07 20:24 <justincc> hi Velus
2015-01-07 20:25 <Velus> you know the code you linked me to, can i use that and alter it to go in my own gui, and also use it in my opensource webgui for people and also paid ones (the paid ones will be for people that want a complete new design than the standard)?
2015-01-07 20:30 <justincc> sure, it's bsd licensed so you can do what you want with it as long as you post the LICENSE
2015-01-07 20:30 <Charlie_1977> i've been tasked with running a small private grid for school children (aged 11 - 18) & would like to ask if anyone knows a way that in-game instant messages and public chat between students may be saved to a log file on the opensim server
2015-01-07 20:31 <justincc> I developed a region module for that kind of thing at https://github.com/justincc/EventRecordingModule thuogh currently it only records to mysql tables or opensim's main log file
2015-01-07 20:31 <justincc> would be good to have some option to post to a separate file
2015-01-07 20:32 <Charlie_1977> i agree justincc, thank you for the info, i'll have a look at your module
2015-01-07 21:29 <Melanie_T> justincc: pong
2015-01-07 21:30 <justincc> Melanie_T: The Warp3D code in opensim-libs doesn't match that of the Warp3D.dll in opensim git
2015-01-07 21:30 <justincc> It's missing properties such as Scene.autoCalcNormals
2015-01-07 21:31 <Melanie_T> i didn't build the one in opensim git
2015-01-07 21:31 <Melanie_T> but i did build the one avination uses
2015-01-07 21:31 <Melanie_T> and i remember i had to grab a much newer upstream source to get seomthing working
2015-01-07 21:31 <justincc> Melanie_T: but git log says you added it
2015-01-07 21:31 <Melanie_T> i was chasing the memory lek but it's pervasive
2015-01-07 21:31 <Melanie_T> basically have to remake warp to get it to stop leaking
2015-01-07 21:32 <justincc> yes, that code is a mess
2015-01-07 21:32 <Melanie_T> anyway, i'm not quite sure what the edigree of the binary is before i got my hands on it
2015-01-07 21:32 <Melanie_T> and the server i used to build on is offline and has been for ages
2015-01-07 21:32 <justincc> where did you get that binary from?
2015-01-07 21:33 <Melanie_T> but it still exists so i have to fire it up and see if i can find the old build dir
2015-01-07 21:33 <Melanie_T> i don't recall where it came from
2015-01-07 21:33 <justincc> there is the code in opensim-libs but it doesn't have the necessary properties.  It also doesn't match what is on the public site
2015-01-07 21:35 <Melanie_T> as i said
2015-01-07 21:35 <Melanie_T> i need to bring up the old server (it's in a stack of decommissioned hardware in another building
2015-01-07 21:35 <Melanie_T> and see if the build directory on it produces a version that matches what we have in git
2015-01-07 21:35 <Melanie_T> it'll be a few days
2015-01-07 21:38 <justincc> Melanie_T: ok, please could you do so.  Otherwise the alternative i sto work out how to implement or come up with an alternative for the missing properties.  Assuming the code in opensim-libs itself works.  I want to fix the memory leak because it's a major problem when people enable regeneration and then meet memory issues
2015-01-07 21:40 <justincc> Having binaries inserted without the source is a huge pita
2015-01-07 21:41 <justincc> ok, food time
2015-01-07 22:14 <Charlie_1977> justincc <-- the EventRecordingModule works perfectly (using currently via MySQL) - thank you!
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2015-01-08 00:16 <osmantis> Bug #6667:04 when accepting a friend request over hypergrid, this friend can edit my objects. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6667 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-08 01:29 <LiruCookies> Can I request opensim to use a cap SL does?
2015-01-08 01:29 <LiruCookies> please?
2015-01-08 01:31 <LiruCookies> "GetDisplayNames" cap... even if it was just sending back legacy names, it'd be better than udp...
2015-01-08 01:31 <LiruCookies> Oh diva !
2015-01-08 01:31 <diva> hi
2015-01-08 01:31 <LiruCookies> 
ACTION was just requesting that opensim offer the GetDisplayNames cap.

2015-01-08 01:31 <LiruCookies> It could just send back legacy names...
2015-01-08 01:31 <diva> it doesn't do it?
2015-01-08 01:32 <LiruCookies> Nope, just the old legacy name cache, and that's become quite dusty.
2015-01-08 01:33 <LiruCookies> It's not even advertised, otherwise we'd have entries in the cache file for it.
2015-01-08 01:33 <diva> ok, I can do it one of these days. Just need to know what the data looks like
2015-01-08 01:34 <LiruCookies> The related files are indra/llmessage/llavatarnamecache.* and in your local appdata directory there's file called avatar_name_cache.xml
2015-01-08 01:35 <LiruCookies> I believe there's an explanation of the data there
2015-01-08 01:40 <LiruCookies> Thankies, diva ~
2015-01-08 01:42 <diva> ok, maybe tomorrow I'll have time to do it
2015-01-08 01:54 <Melanie_T> diva: it was a conscious and voted on core decision to not add display name support at all
2015-01-08 01:54 <Melanie_T> and, true, times have changed and i for one would not reject code if it's brought 
2015-01-08 01:55 <Melanie_T> there are two caps releated to display name display/querying
2015-01-08 01:55 <Melanie_T> but a new database field would be required on the user record
2015-01-08 01:55 <Melanie_T> and also a fnction (in wifi?) to change it
2015-01-08 01:56 <Melanie_T> when i looked at it, it didn't look terribly complex
2015-01-08 02:14 <Plugh> LiruCookies: What would be the point of supporting the cap if it just returned legacy names?
2015-01-08 02:15 <Plugh> Is it needed for compatability with some viewers?
2015-01-08 02:17 <Melanie_T> there isn't a reason to have the cap if you don't have display names
2015-01-08 02:18 <Melanie_T> you'd probably confuse the user of they set the viewer to show dispplay names only and you were sending legacy names
2015-01-08 02:18 <Melanie_T> so it's better to leave the feature completely unimplemented or implement it fully
2015-01-08 02:18 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-01-08 02:18 <Melanie_T> some halfway house makes little sense
2015-01-08 02:24 <Melanie_T> the main issue i have with display names in sl is that they allow the full range of unicode, resultng in names you cannot type
2015-01-08 02:25 <Melanie_T> so you can't scan for their prims, or searh for them to add them, or kick/ban them unless they're right in front of you
2015-01-08 02:25 <Melanie_T> on top of these names being pretty unintelligble for people with limited vision 
2015-01-08 02:25 <Melanie_T> based on the complexity of the fireign chars used to form them
2015-01-08 02:25 <Melanie_T> foreign*
2015-01-08 02:32 <Plugh> I've seen people get creative with names in SL. I also wonder whether they expect to be referred to by their display name in chat or if they would still respond to their legacy name.
2015-01-08 02:32 <Melanie_T> i beileve that any opensim grid using dusplay names after they're implemented would do well to limit the letters to is-8859-15
2015-01-08 02:40 <LiruCookies> There is a reason
2015-01-08 02:41 <LiruCookies> The udp names messages are deprecated
2015-01-08 02:41 <LiruCookies> And the HTTP ones are more thoroughly tested.
2015-01-08 02:42 <LiruCookies> On the viewer side, that is.
2015-01-08 02:42 <Melanie_T> the name, as far as i know, is tagged onto an obectupdate or similra
2015-01-08 02:42 <Melanie_T> something that gets sent anyway
2015-01-08 02:42 <Melanie_T> if opensim chooses not to implement display names at all, what would it have to do to be up to date?
2015-01-08 02:43 <Melanie_T> and, moreover, what is with SL's display of legacy names?
2015-01-08 02:43 <Melanie_T> it also uses the udp info, right?
2015-01-08 02:43 <LiruCookies> No?
2015-01-08 02:43 <Melanie_T> when i select legacy names on sl
2015-01-08 02:43 <LiruCookies> It uses HTTP
2015-01-08 02:43 <LiruCookies> It sends LLAvatarName objects as LLSD, I believe.
2015-01-08 02:43 <Melanie_T> so what does opensim have to do to get out of derpecated land
2015-01-08 02:43 <Melanie_T> and not implement display name functionality
2015-01-08 02:44 <LiruCookies> Support the GetDisplayNames cap
2015-01-08 02:44 <Melanie_T> which may think is an abomination
2015-01-08 02:44 <Melanie_T> and should not be done
2015-01-08 02:45 <LiruCookies> Hm..
2015-01-08 02:45 <LiruCookies> Don't implement SetDisplayName cap
2015-01-08 02:46 <LiruCookies> And it'll not work.
2015-01-08 02:46 <Melanie_T> it appears the viewer can sill obtain the "username" (SLID) by some other means
2015-01-08 02:47 <Melanie_T> since GetDisplayNames can be fed with SLID as well as UUID
2015-01-08 02:48 <LiruCookies> We can get it from the object, as you said.
2015-01-08 02:48 <Melanie_T> and i'm not quite sure if sl even uses SetDisplayName
2015-01-08 02:48 <Melanie_T> i believe you set the display name on the website, or do you do it in the viewer these days?
2015-01-08 02:48 <Melanie_T> also i believe you have to have 180 days between changes or has that been lifted?
2015-01-08 02:49 <LiruCookies> I think it's just a week, it's specified by the grid, I think.
2015-01-08 02:49 <Melanie_T> if the name is sent vie objectupdate, then there is no real need to have that cap if we decide not to implement actual display names
2015-01-08 02:49 <LiruCookies> We've had it in the viewer
2015-01-08 02:49 <LiruCookies> You can set it on the site and in the viewer, though
2015-01-08 02:50 <Melanie_T> i mean, what is the badness in continuing to use the udp version?
2015-01-08 02:50 <Melanie_T> since it does work
2015-01-08 02:50 <LiruCookies> Well, there are people who aren't objects.
2015-01-08 02:50 <Melanie_T> how so? every avatar is an object
2015-01-08 02:50 <Melanie_T> of type ScenePresence, in our terminology
2015-01-08 02:50 <LiruCookies> Not every avatar is in the scene when it talks to you
2015-01-08 02:50 <LiruCookies> not every avatar is even near you at all
2015-01-08 02:50 <Melanie_T> o
2015-01-08 02:50 <Melanie_T> ok
2015-01-08 02:51 <Melanie_T> so that means there is currently a deprecated UDB request/response message used?
2015-01-08 02:51 <Melanie_T> and the viewer prefers GetDisplayNames, if present, over this deprecated udp packet?
2015-01-08 02:51 <Melanie_T> if so, then yes, we're on the same page
2015-01-08 02:52 <LiruCookies> The legacy namecache has been being pushed to the side for a long while, it's not something the viewer wants to use unless forced to
2015-01-08 02:52 <Melanie_T> what does the viewer do with the display name default boolean?
2015-01-08 02:52 <Melanie_T> it seems to be sent for every single user
2015-01-08 02:52 <Melanie_T> so does it actually do per-user things with it?
2015-01-08 02:52 <LiruCookies> That asks if it's the legacy name
2015-01-08 02:53 <LiruCookies> So that should be true on opensim
2015-01-08 02:53 <Melanie_T> but what does viewer code actually do with it?
2015-01-08 02:53 <LiruCookies> It allows a boolean check instead of a string compare
2015-01-08 02:54 <LiruCookies> Because Display Name (legacy.name) shouldn't show if it'd just be Legacy Name (legacy.name)
2015-01-08 02:55 <Melanie_T> so sl would set display name default if there is a display name
2015-01-08 02:55 <Melanie_T> i really don't like this trade fo bandwidth for cpu
2015-01-08 02:55 <Melanie_T> but ll apparently did
2015-01-08 02:55 <LiruCookies> If there is not a display name, I think.
2015-01-08 02:55 <LiruCookies> It's per frame
2015-01-08 02:55 <LiruCookies> , I think
2015-01-08 02:55 <LiruCookies> per frame > bandwidth
2015-01-08 02:55 <Melanie_T> yes and one frame describes one user
2015-01-08 02:55 <Melanie_T> you mean viewer frame
2015-01-08 02:56 <Melanie_T> i think they could have saved the bw
2015-01-08 02:56 <LiruCookies> Yes, viewer frame, rendering.
2015-01-08 02:56 <Melanie_T> and made a single string compare on receive
2015-01-08 02:56 <Melanie_T> and then stored a bool locally
2015-01-08 02:56 <LiruCookies> I'm not actually sure if that's not done locally
2015-01-08 02:56 <Melanie_T> rather than having the server send it
2015-01-08 02:56 <Melanie_T> which is a lot of bytes
2015-01-08 02:56 <Melanie_T> <boolean>true</boolean>
2015-01-08 02:56 <Melanie_T> all that wastage
2015-01-08 02:56 <Melanie_T> for what is in effect one bit
2015-01-08 02:57 <LiruCookies> OH!
2015-01-08 02:57 <LiruCookies> You don't have to send it, I think..
2015-01-08 02:57 <LiruCookies> mIsDisplayNameDefault = sd[IS_DISPLAY_NAME_DEFAULT].asBoolean() || mUsername == mDisplayName;
2015-01-08 02:58 <LiruCookies> So if it's not provided (or false), the viewer will confirm that it's not false.
2015-01-08 02:58 <Melanie_T> so this means if the username == display name, the bool doesn't even matter
2015-01-08 02:58 <Melanie_T> but it looks like the above would bomb if the bool isn't send
2015-01-08 02:59 <Melanie_T> as sd[IS_DISPLAY_NAME_DEFAULT] would be null
2015-01-08 02:59 <LiruCookies> Hm.. would it?
2015-01-08 02:59 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-01-08 02:59 <Melanie_T> the llsd decoding routines are format agnostic
2015-01-08 03:00 <Melanie_T> if an element isn't there, it's not filled
2015-01-08 03:00 <Melanie_T> so we would effecively send username as the legacy name
2015-01-08 03:00 <Melanie_T> display name as blank
2015-01-08 03:00 <Melanie_T> and the bool as false
2015-01-08 03:01 <Melanie_T> causing it to use the legacy name
2015-01-08 03:01 <LiruCookies> Hm? bool as true
2015-01-08 03:01 <Melanie_T> no
2015-01-08 03:01 <Melanie_T> we don't want display name to be default
2015-01-08 03:01 <LiruCookies> true says they're the same
2015-01-08 03:01 <Melanie_T> nope
2015-01-08 03:01 <Melanie_T> true says the useer will see the display name
2015-01-08 03:02 <Melanie_T> false, if the two are different, says the user will see the lagacy name
2015-01-08 03:02 <Melanie_T> you could send true and send username and display name as the same string
2015-01-08 03:02 <LiruCookies> // If this particular display name is defaulted (i.e. based on user name),
2015-01-08 03:02 <Melanie_T> i'd rather not, it's even more wased bytes
2015-01-08 03:02 <Melanie_T> oh ok
2015-01-08 03:02 <Melanie_T> i see now
2015-01-08 03:03 <Melanie_T> i just rather would not send the actual name (unch of bytes) twice
2015-01-08 03:03 <LiruCookies> That's from LLAvatarName::getCompleteName by the way.
2015-01-08 03:03 <Melanie_T> well, what do i have to send to get it to show only legacy names?
2015-01-08 03:03 <Melanie_T> without sending the legacy name in the display name field
2015-01-08 03:04 <Melanie_T> which means sending it twice
2015-01-08 03:04 <Melanie_T> i'd prefer to omit the display name foeld or have it blank
2015-01-08 03:04 <Melanie_T> because when the friendslist names are queried this will be requested with a large number of ids
2015-01-08 03:04 <LiruCookies> Send it as the display name field, send last and first as empty, I think
2015-01-08 03:04 <Melanie_T> and sending the name twice for every avatar in the reply would be several k of useless data
2015-01-08 03:05 <Melanie_T> no that would cause peple who have the viewer set to legacy names only to see no name - doesn't work
2015-01-08 03:05 <LiruCookies> Oh wait
2015-01-08 03:05 <LiruCookies> Actually
2015-01-08 03:05 <LiruCookies> If isplay name is empty
2015-01-08 03:05 <Melanie_T> i'm really looking for a way to send the dislay name field as empty
2015-01-08 03:05 <LiruCookies> it gets populated with the username
2015-01-08 03:05 <LiruCookies> Okay, that works
2015-01-08 03:05 <Melanie_T> ah ok so no wire byte waste
2015-01-08 03:05 <Melanie_T> good
2015-01-08 03:05 <Melanie_T> can it be omitted rather than empty?
2015-01-08 03:06 <Melanie_T> so the xml can be left out, that's wordy, too
2015-01-08 03:08 <LiruCookies> I'm not sure.
2015-01-08 03:08 <LiruCookies> I'd do <foo/>
2015-01-08 03:08 <Melanie_T> no idea what the llsd would make fo it
2015-01-08 03:09 <Melanie_T> as it expects <display-name><string /></display-name>
2015-01-08 03:09 <Melanie_T> and i'd dearly love to skil the element name completely
2015-01-08 03:09 <Melanie_T> <display-name />
2015-01-08 03:09 <Melanie_T> would not work
2015-01-08 03:09 <LiruCookies> Really?
2015-01-08 03:09 <LiruCookies> No it would work
2015-01-08 03:09 <Melanie_T> results in an exception when no type is found
2015-01-08 03:10 <LiruCookies> No exception in viewer version
2015-01-08 03:10 <LiruCookies> It just has type UNDEFINED
2015-01-08 03:10 <Melanie_T> worth a try
2015-01-08 03:10 <Melanie_T> wb diva 
2015-01-08 03:10 <diva> catching up...
2015-01-08 03:10 <Melanie_T> tl;dr
2015-01-08 03:10 <diva> Honestly I don' know what display names is
2015-01-08 03:10 <Melanie_T> there is a udp msg to get name for uuid
2015-01-08 03:10 <Melanie_T> deprecated
2015-01-08 03:10 <Melanie_T> GetDisplayNames is the recommended substitute
2015-01-08 03:10 <diva> oh yeah?
2015-01-08 03:10 <Melanie_T> uses new viewer name cache
2015-01-08 03:11 <Melanie_T> display names are not required to be implemented to use it
2015-01-08 03:11 <Melanie_T> but could be with little extra effort
2015-01-08 03:11 <Melanie_T> if so desired
2015-01-08 03:11 <Melanie_T> in sl, many vatars ave these weird, untypeable names that they can set themselves
2015-01-08 03:11 <Melanie_T> those are display names
2015-01-08 03:11 <Melanie_T> it's a means for the user to change his name
2015-01-08 03:12 <Melanie_T> we voted back then not to implement it
2015-01-08 03:12 <Melanie_T> but left the door open for a contributor to do it
2015-01-08 03:12 <Melanie_T> now it seems at least the cap is required for continued good viewer performance with new viewers
2015-01-08 03:12 <LiruCookies> I think Aurora did it.
2015-01-08 03:12 <BlueWall> It could also be used for people to use ther RL names, so if you have a meeting with 2 "John Smiths"
2015-01-08 03:12 <Melanie_T> whether we implement the feature as such is open to debate
2015-01-08 03:12 <Melanie_T> as many opensim fans don't like sl displa names
2015-01-08 03:13 <Melanie_T> sl doesn't allow identical display names
2015-01-08 03:13 <Melanie_T> that doesn't mean it's a viewer limitation though
2015-01-08 03:13 <diva> so, if I understand it correctly, there's really 2 things at stake here: the protocol (UDP vs Caps) and the display names
2015-01-08 03:13 <Melanie_T> probably more like rudimentary identity protection
2015-01-08 03:13 <diva> where tha latter is about changing the name ddynamically
2015-01-08 03:13 <Melanie_T> correct
2015-01-08 03:13 <diva> we can do just the former
2015-01-08 03:13 <Melanie_T> the udp -> tcp switch should be made regardless
2015-01-08 03:14 <LiruCookies> Yeah, diva, for display names the SetDisplayName cap is needed also.
2015-01-08 03:14 <Melanie_T> it will cause the fl names to populate much faster
2015-01-08 03:14 <Melanie_T> among other improvements
2015-01-08 03:14 <diva> ok
2015-01-08 03:15 <Melanie_T> we can send <display-name />
2015-01-08 03:15 <Melanie_T> in the reply
2015-01-08 03:15 <Melanie_T> and the viewer will accurarely treat that as no display name being set
2015-01-08 03:15 <Melanie_T> while still letting us use the advantages of the cap
2015-01-08 03:15 <BlueWall> diva, in the [EstateDataStore] LocalServiceModule should be EstateDataRemoteConnector to use the service, right?
2015-01-08 03:15 <Melanie_T> the cap uses GET params
2015-01-08 03:15 <Melanie_T> so caution
2015-01-08 03:15 <Melanie_T> unlike other caps that use a POST payload
2015-01-08 03:16 <diva> ok
2015-01-08 03:16 <diva> BlueWall, I wronte in down in comments in OpenSim.ini.example
2015-01-08 03:16 <diva> did I make a mistake?
2015-01-08 03:17 <BlueWall> It was EstateDataConnector - no Remote
2015-01-08 03:17 <diva> actually in GridCommon.ini.example
2015-01-08 03:17 <diva> ah you're right, my bad
2015-01-08 03:17 <diva> let me fix it
2015-01-08 03:18 <BlueWall> cool, thanks.
2015-01-08 03:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #3967 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-01-08 03:23 <osjenkins> diva: Fix name of EstateDataRemoteConnector in the comment.
2015-01-08 03:23 <diva> I'm getting super excited with mono addins :) If we add a data-only extension point, we'll be able to support 3rd-party *configurations* without necessarily any code associated with it. For example, my MISearch addin would be able to include (1) the sim region module; (2) the sim region module configuration; and (3) the SearchURL for the [LoginService] section on the robust side, without 
2015-01-08 03:23 <diva> any additional code for robust.
2015-01-08 03:24 <diva> people could distribute configurations only
2015-01-08 03:24 <diva> given that configuring opensim is so difficult, this looks like a really interesting thing to do
2015-01-08 03:24 <diva> BlueWall did you look at data-only extension points?
2015-01-08 03:25 <Melanie_T> the issue here would be with *editing* those configurations
2015-01-08 03:25 <Melanie_T> that is less than easy
2015-01-08 03:25 <BlueWall> no Diva, I didn't or at least don't remember it.
2015-01-08 03:26 <Melanie_T> however, i am not happy with the way we use it
2015-01-08 03:26 <diva> well with things like the config vars we have now, that can be made a lot simpler
2015-01-08 03:26 <Melanie_T> there is code in opensim that clears the addins db directory on each start
2015-01-08 03:26 <diva> I mean ${section|var}
2015-01-08 03:26 <Melanie_T> that code really needs to go
2015-01-08 03:26 <diva> lol
2015-01-08 03:26 <diva> about that :)
2015-01-08 03:26 <diva> I forgot to tell justincc, cos he also mentioned it
2015-01-08 03:26 <diva> ...
2015-01-08 03:26 <diva> so...
2015-01-08 03:26 <Melanie_T> i know why it's there
2015-01-08 03:27 <diva> that code is there but it has been useless for at least 1 year!
2015-01-08 03:27 <diva> since BlueWall updated mono addins
2015-01-08 03:27 <Melanie_T> if you run several opensims from a single bin directory
2015-01-08 03:27 <Melanie_T> the addin-dbs get clobbered by each other
2015-01-08 03:27 <diva> the mono addins code has moved on to -002
2015-01-08 03:28 <diva> we're cleaning up -000 and -001 :D
2015-01-08 03:28 <Melanie_T> doesn't matter
2015-01-08 03:28 <Melanie_T> it'll still clobber
2015-01-08 03:28 <Melanie_T> what we need to publicise
2015-01-08 03:28 <diva> yeah, what I'm sayig is that we';re not actually cleaning it anymore :)
2015-01-08 03:28 <Melanie_T> is that if you want to run multiple instances of opensim from a single bin directory
2015-01-08 03:28 <Melanie_T> you need to export MONO_ADDINS_REGISTRY="dir-per-instance"
2015-01-08 03:29 <Melanie_T> where each instance gets a different directory
2015-01-08 03:29 <Melanie_T> problem solved
2015-01-08 03:29 <diva> yes
2015-01-08 03:30 <diva> or set it in RegistryLocation in each sim's config
2015-01-08 03:30 <Melanie_T> that way opensim can take advantage of the caching of addins rather then recanning each assembly from scratch at startup
2015-01-08 03:30 <Melanie_T> well, the point of multiple instances is having one master config
2015-01-08 03:30 <Melanie_T> so the envar method is the better suited in that case
2015-01-08 03:30 <diva> yuo can't have 1 single config for things like ports
2015-01-08 03:31 <diva> so wherever you set the port, you should set the RegistryLocation too
2015-01-08 03:31 <Melanie_T> we do have a single master config in a database
2015-01-08 03:31 <BlueWall> inifile/inimaster
2015-01-08 03:31 <Melanie_T> and we read it as xml via a php script
2015-01-08 03:31 <Melanie_T> and that substitute the ports so if a sim is moved that is all seamless
2015-01-08 03:32 <Melanie_T> BlueWall: we use no flat files at all
2015-01-08 03:32 <Melanie_T> haven't done so for years
2015-01-08 03:32 <BlueWall> me either
2015-01-08 03:32 <BlueWall> but I still use those
2015-01-08 03:32 <Melanie_T> all the inifile stuff i added was for the benefit of the users
2015-01-08 03:32 <Melanie_T> we don't use any of it
2015-01-08 03:32 <diva> I have a master configuration and a LocalSim config file for each sime where only a few vars are set
2015-01-08 03:34 <diva> when the master config is updated, a shell script makes sure to add the right path to the Local one at the end of it
2015-01-08 03:34 <diva> anyway, those are details, but where sim-specific configs are done, RegistryLocation should also be taken care of
2015-01-08 03:35 <BlueWall> it is good that we have options. 
2015-01-08 03:35 <Melanie_T> indeed
2015-01-08 03:37 <diva> data-only extensions are extension points that are not tied to any type, they're just declared at the assembly level. They can represent, for example, a configuration file or a template. Then external components can extend it and bind the files to it.
2015-01-08 03:37 <diva> In our case, we could have one for configuration files, which would simply read the given file and merge it with the main config
2015-01-08 03:40 <BlueWall> I'll have to read up on it. 
2015-01-08 03:40 <BlueWall> Those could still read from web services too.
2015-01-08 03:41 <diva> no, this is different
2015-01-08 03:41 <diva> this is about configurations only, not configuration of your extension
2015-01-08 03:42 <BlueWall> how does it work?
2015-01-08 03:42 <diva> it took me a while to understand what they meant with those extension points, until I felt the need to configure the [LoginService] section's SearchURL
2015-01-08 03:43 <diva> it's very simple. You define a non-typed extension point, bound to a simple data structure.
2015-01-08 03:43 <diva> hold on let me send the url
2015-01-08 03:43 <diva> http://monoaddins.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=Extension%20Points&referringTitle=Reference%20Manual
2015-01-08 03:43 <diva> the part on Generic Extension Points
2015-01-08 03:43 <diva> I swear I didn't understand it until I felt the need to configuring the login service without any code extension...
2015-01-08 03:44 <diva> and then everything made sense!
2015-01-08 03:44 <diva> for example, I want to configure people the SearchURL for MISearch
2015-01-08 03:44 <diva> for example, I want to configure people's SearchURL for MISearch
2015-01-08 03:45 <diva> but MISearch doesn't have any robust extension
2015-01-08 03:45 <diva> it's just a simple conffiguration change
2015-01-08 03:45 <diva> tada! generic extension points!
2015-01-08 03:45 <Melanie_T> the part i don't like would be if config stuff happened behind the scenes so the user could no longer see what is configured
2015-01-08 03:45 <Melanie_T> or override it
2015-01-08 03:46 <Melanie_T> how is that addressed?
2015-01-08 03:46 <diva> it depends on how we do it, I guess
2015-01-08 03:46 <BlueWall> if it's for a closed, specific module that would be ideal.
2015-01-08 03:46 <diva> if we do this, we shouldn't just merge the file, we should expose it in ConfigDirectory
2015-01-08 03:49 <diva> this would be our (OpenSim) code doing it. It would take the file in the addin and do the right thing with it
2015-01-08 03:50 <BlueWall> I saw the Aurora configs with many files :s
2015-01-08 03:51 <diva> I must say I'm really impressed with mono addins. There's a few bugs here an there, especially in the SetupTool, but this thing is really powerful
2015-01-08 03:51 <BlueWall> it is
2015-01-08 03:52 <BlueWall> I haven't looked into it too much since about 2 years ago.
2015-01-08 03:53 <BlueWall> I'm pretty happy that we didn't toss that for the MEF
2015-01-08 03:53 <diva> oh you can't even compare...
2015-01-08 03:53 <BlueWall> only in a very limited sense
2015-01-08 03:54 <diva> MEF is just about code, no extra files in the package
2015-01-08 03:54 <BlueWall> right
2015-01-08 03:54 <diva> you have to work much harder
2015-01-08 03:56 <BlueWall> so, what you're telling me is this example - when it runs, it will load letter.txt or fax.txt ?
2015-01-08 03:57 <BlueWall> or, that it will call up the code that loads it?
2015-01-08 03:57 <diva> well, our code would do that, yes. We would get those extensions and do the right thing with them
2015-01-08 03:59 <diva> "the right thing" would be: check if the file already exists in ConfigDirectory, in which case we would ignore the one in the addin, and merge the one in ConfiggDirectory with the main config; otherwise, copy it to ConfigDirectory and then merge them with the main config
2015-01-08 04:00 <diva> which is what we are doing in our extension moduoles wrt their own extensions
2015-01-08 04:00 <diva> I mean wrt their own configurations
2015-01-08 04:01 <diva> this would allow us to do the same with just a configuration file that's not tied to any code
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2015-01-08 04:05 <diva> In fact, our use of mono addins for regions modules / robust extensions would be much nicer if the respective configurtion files were specified in this manner
2015-01-08 04:05 <diva> [assembly: Configuration(File="MISearch.ini")]
2015-01-08 04:06 <diva> instead of 
2015-01-08 04:06 <diva> [assembly: ImportAddinFile("MISearch.ini")]
2015-01-08 04:06 <Melanie_T> we need to do this BEFORE the main ini stuff
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2015-01-08 04:06 <osjenkins> diva: Commented out clear_registry_ because (1) it isn't clearing up anything anymore -- mono addins moved to suffix -002 at least since BlueWall updated it; (2) we shouldn't clear the registry, period. People who run many sims from the same bin folder need to configure each sim to use its own RegistryLocation, just like they configure them to use their own port.
2015-01-08 04:06 <Melanie_T> else it would be impossible to override
2015-01-08 04:06 <Melanie_T> nini is incremental
2015-01-08 04:07 <diva> we want the module configurations to override the main one
2015-01-08 04:07 <diva> they're more specific
2015-01-08 04:07 <BlueWall> I would want to retain the use of nini features too ...
2015-01-08 04:07 <BlueWall> It can get items from web endpoints, environment variables
2015-01-08 04:08 <diva> sure!
2015-01-08 04:08 <diva> modules can do whatever they want
2015-01-08 04:08 <BlueWall> :)
2015-01-08 04:08 <diva> but in the simple case of an in file tied to a module, this would be pretty simple
2015-01-08 04:08 <diva> ini
2015-01-08 04:09 <diva> basically all the modules that I have rewritten so far all do the same thing wrt their config file.
2015-01-08 04:09 <diva> so adding that custom directove might not be a bad idea
2015-01-08 04:10 <BlueWall> what needs to be in core to support it? Or is it wholly in the module?
2015-01-08 04:10 <Melanie_T> diva: you do not _ever_ want an uneditable configuration to override an editable one
2015-01-08 04:11 <diva> the're editable
2015-01-08 04:11 <diva> they all end up in ConfigDirectory, you can and should edit
2015-01-08 04:11 <Melanie_T> not the one contained in the module, it's a resource and read only
2015-01-08 04:11 <diva> in fact, my modules all raise an exception the first time they run
2015-01-08 04:11 <diva> no
2015-01-08 04:11 <diva> it's not read only at all
2015-01-08 04:12 <diva> it's exported to ConfigDirectory
2015-01-08 04:12 <Melanie_T> so i'd go for opensim-defaults.ini, opensim.ini, module configs, config-includes
2015-01-08 04:12 <Melanie_T> as the order
2015-01-08 04:12 <Melanie_T> so that specific things in config-includes can override the default module configs
2015-01-08 04:12 <diva> why?
2015-01-08 04:12 <Melanie_T> else automatic config systems would be so screwed
2015-01-08 04:13 <Melanie_T> modules would typically configure things not currently covered by files in config-includes
2015-01-08 04:13 <diva> why would you want to override the configs of a module that you can edit?
2015-01-08 04:13 <BlueWall> Yeah, I get mine from a web service inimaster, then inifile and they use a ton of env variables
2015-01-08 04:13 <Melanie_T> because it means you have to edit it on every bin dir on every server you have
2015-01-08 04:13 <Melanie_T> rather than just pushing out an overriding vonfig
2015-01-08 04:13 <BlueWall> if I installed a module, then I would want it to see if it finds a section configuread already first.
2015-01-08 04:14 <Melanie_T> it's a management nightmare for mid to large size grids
2015-01-08 04:14 <diva> hmm, I guess I don't have that model in mind
2015-01-08 04:14 <Melanie_T> use supplied coinfigs must have the last word always
2015-01-08 04:14 <Melanie_T> else i'll veto
2015-01-08 04:14 <diva> in my large grid, I configure in only one place, and deploy the whole thing everywhere
2015-01-08 04:14 <BlueWall> What I have done is have the module look for a config file, if not found it fetches a default from a web service ...
2015-01-08 04:15 <Melanie_T> should be easy enough to merge module supplied configs between opensim.ini and config-includes
2015-01-08 04:15 <BlueWall> if you already set it up, then it doesn't worry about finding the remote one ..
2015-01-08 04:15 <Melanie_T> and should be no skin off your nose for your use case
2015-01-08 04:15 <Melanie_T> as config-includes contains no conflicting defaults
2015-01-08 04:16 <Melanie_T> i do agree that opensim.ini may be too generic and modules should be able to override it
2015-01-08 04:16 <Melanie_T> but the user just has to have a way to override those in turn
2015-01-08 04:16 <Melanie_T> without in-place editing
2015-01-08 04:16 <BlueWall> Mine looks in inimaster/inifile, then the ConfigDir - if not found it fetches the remote (which needs to be configured before running)
2015-01-08 04:16 <Melanie_T> many grids use a grid management daemon
2015-01-08 04:16 <Melanie_T> it puts a new install in place
2015-01-08 04:16 <Melanie_T> then copies files over it
2015-01-08 04:17 <Melanie_T> that, if it included the module config file, would potentially copy an older version in
2015-01-08 04:17 <diva> Either way likely won't affect me, because I produce one flat config file and deploy it everywhere
2015-01-08 04:17 <BlueWall> If I'm setting these on my central ini service, then I want to not have to fiddle with config files at all if possible.
2015-01-08 04:17 <Melanie_T> if it didn't include the module cinfig file, needs a way to override
2015-01-08 04:17 <Melanie_T> i know the author of this daemon
2015-01-08 04:17 <Melanie_T> and i know of several grids using it
2015-01-08 04:17 <Melanie_T> and i try not to mess with his thing when i wear my core hat ;)
2015-01-08 04:17 <BlueWall> If I can get your ini and integrate it into my service, ten te module would be satisfied when it sees it's section?
2015-01-08 04:18 <Melanie_T> BlueWall: the danger is that you'd be serving a potantially outdated versino
2015-01-08 04:18 <BlueWall> that is true.
2015-01-08 04:18 <diva> brb
2015-01-08 04:18 <BlueWall> maybe the mono-addins can solve that
2015-01-08 04:18 <Melanie_T> so for any file based managemebt service, the best way is to leave all existing files alone
2015-01-08 04:19 <Melanie_T> and work with overriding only
2015-01-08 04:19 <Melanie_T> it can't
2015-01-08 04:19 <Melanie_T> it's not nini-aware
2015-01-08 04:19 <Melanie_T> so we have to program the desired behavior
2015-01-08 04:19 <Melanie_T> which, imho, is best to mrge between opensim.ini ad config-includes
2015-01-08 04:19 <Melanie_T> so of you have mii-search (misnomer intentional)
2015-01-08 04:20 <Melanie_T> and you want to search for your miis elsewhere
2015-01-08 04:20 <Melanie_T> then you'd add an include to opensim.ini
2015-01-08 04:20 <Melanie_T> and a file to config includes
2015-01-08 04:20 <Melanie_T> and it could override
2015-01-08 04:20 <BlueWall> Well, I guess so too, because that is where we would traditionally handle individual modules ini files, right?
2015-01-08 04:20 <Melanie_T> without losing future default options
2015-01-08 04:21 <Melanie_T> of course, my mii never leaves my wii…..
2015-01-08 04:21 <Melanie_T> :P
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2015-01-08 04:50 <diva> the otehr thing that's cool about this is that the mechanim can be the same for the simulator server and for robust. That is, we can support [assembly: Configuration()] directives for both
2015-01-08 05:09 <BlueWall> ++
2015-01-08 08:08 <osmantis> Bug #6667:04 when accepting a friend request over hypergrid, this friend can edit my objects. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6667 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-08 10:49 <osmantis> Bug #7336:04 PGSQL exception Groups Handler 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7336 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-08 12:07 <osmantis> Bug #7164:04 Bullet physics has trouble with shallow stairs (even basic prim ones) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7164 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-08 12:13 <osmantis> Bug #7336:04 PGSQL exception Groups Handler 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7336 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-08 14:58 <osmantis> Bug #7342:04 XBakes - [BASE HTTP SERVER]: Exceptions with process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7342 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-08 15:27 <osmantis> Bug #7342:04 XBakes - [BASE HTTP SERVER]: Exceptions with process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7342 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-08 17:48 <osmantis> Bug #7319:04 XEngine Errors, Can't access an unloaded application domain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7319 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-08 20:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #3969 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-08 20:43 <AliciaRaven> hi justincc, relating to that last commit, i have noticed that when saving an oar, sometimes it reports assets not found and in some cases the uuid given is for a group, i had assumed that they were from uuids pulled from scripts, is that right?
2015-01-08 20:45 <justincc> AliciaRaven: yes, if the script has embedded group IDs.  This change should actually remove those error reports
2015-01-08 20:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3969: SUCCESS in 9 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3969/
2015-01-08 20:45 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Make the IteratingUuidGatherer the only UuidGatherer.
2015-01-08 20:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #3970 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-08 20:46 <AliciaRaven> ok :)
2015-01-08 20:48 <Ken_S> Justin, would your last fix possibly fix an issue where a NPC playing a banjo with a sound script inside it stopped playing sound a while back?
2015-01-08 20:48 <justincc> Ken_S: after loading through an archive?
2015-01-08 20:49 <Ken_S> No
2015-01-08 20:49 <justincc> that sounds like something unrelated then
2015-01-08 20:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3970: SUCCESS in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3970/
2015-01-08 20:50 <osjenkins> jjustincc: When inspecting a script or notecard, also try to look up any assets embedded therein.
2015-01-08 20:50 <Ken_S> I made a NPC, attached a banjo to it that had a sound script inside, cloned it, and it played when the NPC rezed for several months,
2015-01-08 20:50 <Ken_S> Then it just stopped playing the sound one day
2015-01-08 20:50 <nebadon> I have troubles with scripted sounds myself
2015-01-08 20:51 <nebadon> sometimes sounds take very long to load, sometimes they just never play
2015-01-08 20:51 <nebadon> maybe a timing thing or something
2015-01-08 20:51 <nebadon> my racer has problem with the gear sounds like that
2015-01-08 20:51 <Ken_S> idk, was fine for the longest and then just stopped working one day after rezzing it.
2015-01-08 20:52 <Ken_S> nebadon, how are you feeling today?
2015-01-08 20:52 <nebadon> not good
2015-01-08 20:52 <Ken_S> So sorry, the flu?
2015-01-08 20:52 <nebadon> yea
2015-01-08 20:52 <nebadon> having dramatic ups and downs
2015-01-08 20:53 <Ken_S> Many people got it this year.
2015-01-08 20:53 <nebadon> yea im leaving for sweden in 1 week too
2015-01-08 20:53 <nebadon> not good
2015-01-08 20:53 <AliciaRaven> 
ACTION passes nebadon some chicken soup, hope u get well soon

2015-01-08 20:53 <nebadon> hopefully i am better by then
2015-01-08 20:54 <Ken_S> That sounds like my luck.
2015-01-08 20:54 <osmantis> Bug #5311:04 [PRIM INVENTORY]: Couldn't start script ... since asset ID  ... could not be found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5311 ): has been marked as UNRELATED TO issue 0007376.
2015-01-08 20:54 <osmantis> Bug #7376:04 Couldn't start script ... at ... in ... since asset id ... could not be found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7376 ): has been marked as UNRELATED TO issue 0005311.
2015-01-08 20:54 <nebadon> i should be ok by then
2015-01-08 20:54 <nebadon> hopefully im better by the weekend, im totally not prepared to go at all yet
2015-01-08 20:55 <Ken_S> Had to go to UK, Greece, Turkey, and Israel a few weeks ago with a bad sinus infection.
2015-01-08 20:55 <osmantis> Bug #7376:04 Couldn't start script ... at ... in ... since asset id ... could not be found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7376 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-08 20:55 <Ken_S> Fever the whole works. Was not a fun trip
2015-01-08 20:55 <nebadon> uhg that sucks
2015-01-08 20:56 <osmantis> Bug #5311:04 [PRIM INVENTORY]: Couldn't start script ... since asset ID  ... could not be found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5311 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-08 20:56 <osmantis> Bug #7342:04 XBakes - [BASE HTTP SERVER]: Exceptions with process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7342 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-01-08 23:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #3971 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-08 23:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3971: SUCCESS in 4 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3971/
2015-01-08 23:05 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Add event name to existing debug output when a script event fails with an exception.  To aid debugging.
2015-01-08 23:06 <osmantis> Bug #7319:04 XEngine Errors, Can't access an unloaded application domain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7319 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-08 23:08 <osmantis> Bug #6667:04 when accepting a friend request over hypergrid, this friend can edit my objects. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6667 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-09 00:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #3972 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-09 00:23 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-09 00:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3972: SUCCESS in 6 min 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3972/
2015-01-09 00:27 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Get PGSQL UserProfilesData to log the exception trace for debugging rather than just the exception message.
2015-01-09 02:42 <misterblue> diva: when you mention ConfigDirectory are you talking about bin/config directory? All INI files are read from that directory after OpenSim.ini is read and before the included INI files are processed
2015-01-09 02:43 <diva> no
2015-01-09 02:43 <misterblue> 
ACTION is wondering if any of that mis-architected system was changing

2015-01-09 02:43 <diva> ConfigDirectory is a variable in OpenSim.ini and in Robust.ini that poits to some folder where you want to keep the addin configuration files
2015-01-09 02:43 <diva> this affects only addins
2015-01-09 02:44 <diva> especially those installed as 3rd party addins, not the ones that come in opensim
2015-01-09 02:44 <misterblue> if addins put INI file in bin/config, they would just get read with the regular ini files
2015-01-09 02:45 <diva> maybe
2015-01-09 02:45 <diva> it depends on how you run things
2015-01-09 02:45 <diva> in a straightforward installation that would be the case
2015-01-09 02:45 <diva> in my large grid I don't use config-include at all
2015-01-09 02:46 <diva> and I would never keepo important stuff that is supposed to survive updates under bin
2015-01-09 02:46 <diva> but, again, it really depends on how you run your grid
2015-01-09 02:46 <diva>  there are many ways of doing it
2015-01-09 02:47 <diva> brb
2015-01-09 02:47 <misterblue> if you totally replace the default INI config system (which is what one does with big grids) all bets are off
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2015-01-09 04:45 <diva> LiruCookies, are those dates in the response important? What are they for?
2015-01-09 04:57 <LiruCookies> diva: Dates?
2015-01-09 04:57 <diva> in the DisplayNames response
2015-01-09 04:57 <diva> there are 2 dates
2015-01-09 04:58 <diva> I'm not sure if they are important
2015-01-09 04:58 <diva> I'm guessing not, but not sure what will happen if I send them empty
2015-01-09 04:58 <LiruCookies> Sec
2015-01-09 04:58 <LiruCookies> Expires is important
2015-01-09 04:59 <LiruCookies> I don't see mNextUpdate used, but sec..
2015-01-09 05:00 <LiruCookies> Not seeing it used anywhere
2015-01-09 05:00 <LiruCookies> Oh
2015-01-09 05:01 <LiruCookies> It's used in the display name setter stuff
2015-01-09 05:01 <LiruCookies> llfloaterdisplayname and llviewerdisplayname
2015-01-09 05:01 <diva> what happens if they are both empty?
2015-01-09 05:01 <LiruCookies> But these things are for SetDisplayName
2015-01-09 05:01 <LiruCookies> If expires is empty?
2015-01-09 05:01 <diva> yeah
2015-01-09 05:01 <LiruCookies> The name is cleared from the cache quickly
2015-01-09 05:01 <diva> oh i see
2015-01-09 05:02 <LiruCookies> And certainly not written to disk
2015-01-09 05:02 <diva> ok, but the other is ok to be empty?
2015-01-09 05:02 <LiruCookies> It must be > 1200 seconds from the time of writing the cache to disk to be written.
2015-01-09 05:02 <LiruCookies> Other should probably be noted that to implement display names this needs to be something.
2015-01-09 05:03 <LiruCookies> But not needed now
2015-01-09 05:03 <diva> ok
2015-01-09 05:04 <diva> 20 min
2015-01-09 05:04 <LiruCookies> If it is 20 minutes, we're going to request it again if it shows up later.
2015-01-09 05:05 <diva> I'll send larger
2015-01-09 05:05 <LiruCookies> I'd do a max date, or something.
2015-01-09 05:05 <diva> yeah, forever
2015-01-09 05:05 <LiruCookies> Or maybe a month
2015-01-09 05:05 <LiruCookies> That could be fine.
2015-01-09 05:06 <diva> ok
2015-01-09 05:06 <LiruCookies> I guess we should check what LL does
2015-01-09 05:08 <diva> sl_id is supposed to be first.last?
2015-01-09 05:08 <LiruCookies> <key>display_name_expires</key>
2015-01-09 05:08 <LiruCookies>                 <date>2015-01-08T08:27:20.30Z</date>
2015-01-09 05:08 <LiruCookies>             <key>display_name_next_update</key>
2015-01-09 05:08 <LiruCookies>                 <date>1970-01-01T00:00:00Z</date>
2015-01-09 05:09 <LiruCookies> So that was zeroed out, I think except for our display name it'll be 0, actually.
2015-01-09 05:09 <diva> what do you mean zerod out?
2015-01-09 05:09 <diva> I don't understand the expiration date there
2015-01-09 05:09 <diva> did you just issue the request now?
2015-01-09 05:09 <LiruCookies> 1970-01-01T00:00:00Z is LLDate(0)
2015-01-09 05:09 <diva> it looks like that date is in the past
2015-01-09 05:10 <diva> ok
2015-01-09 05:10 <LiruCookies> That's from my current cache file
2015-01-09 05:10 <diva> well, I'll send a month
2015-01-09 05:10 <LiruCookies> That should be fine.
2015-01-09 05:12 <diva> hmm, I"m not sure we have the <date> thing
2015-01-09 05:12 <diva> oh great
2015-01-09 05:12 <diva>                 case "date":
2015-01-09 05:12 <diva>                     {
2015-01-09 05:12 <diva>                         reader.Read();
2015-01-09 05:12 <diva>                         throw new Exception("LLSD TODO: date");
2015-01-09 05:12 <diva>                     }
2015-01-09 05:13 <diva> looks like I need to do that too
2015-01-09 05:14 <diva> libomv has it
2015-01-09 05:14 <LiruCookies> Hahaha
2015-01-09 05:14 <LiruCookies> Oh, cool
2015-01-09 05:15 <LiruCookies> Aren't you using libomv?
2015-01-09 05:15 <diva> for this area of the code, opensim is using its own variation. I think I'm going to use libomv for this cap
2015-01-09 05:17 <LiruCookies> Why duplicate code?
2015-01-09 05:17 <diva> beats me!
2015-01-09 05:17 <diva> this code has spider webs
2015-01-09 05:18 <diva> it was probably developed at the same time as the code in libomv
2015-01-09 05:23 <diva> so, Liru, sl_id is first.last?
2015-01-09 05:33 <LiruCookies> Oh
2015-01-09 05:33 <LiruCookies> Sorry
2015-01-09 05:33 <LiruCookies> What is sl_id?
2015-01-09 05:33 <LiruCookies> Oh, a field?
2015-01-09 05:33 <LiruCookies> Right
2015-01-09 05:34 <LiruCookies> key>sl_id</key>
2015-01-09 05:34 <LiruCookies> string>sardonyx.linden</string>
2015-01-09 05:34 <LiruCookies> I'd say so.
2015-01-09 05:34 <diva> are these the names that are shown on top of ppl's heads?
2015-01-09 05:35 <LiruCookies> They're not, well, eventually they are, but after processing, we won't be showing the . separator
2015-01-09 05:35 <diva> hmm
2015-01-09 05:35 <LiruCookies> That turns into a space
2015-01-09 05:35 <LiruCookies> Well
2015-01-09 05:36 <LiruCookies> Hm..
2015-01-09 05:36 <LiruCookies> Is that field even used?
2015-01-09 05:36 <diva> how's this gonna work for HG users? They are usually first.last@foo.com, where "first.last" itself is the first part of the name and "@foo.com" is the last
2015-01-09 05:36 <LiruCookies> I don't see that field even processed in LLAvatarName
2015-01-09 05:37 <diva> so what's the point of this capability?
2015-01-09 05:37 <LiruCookies> This field is username now
2015-01-09 05:37 <LiruCookies> not sl_id
2015-01-09 05:38 <diva> oh?
2015-01-09 05:38 <LiruCookies> it got renamed.
2015-01-09 05:38 <diva> did it get renames in the llsd map too?
2015-01-09 05:38 <LiruCookies> Yes, it looks like that
2015-01-09 05:38 <diva> costhe code I'm looking at (the comment in the code) still shows sl_id
2015-01-09 05:38 <diva> in the viewer code
2015-01-09 05:38 <diva> llavatarnamecache.cpp
2015-01-09 05:39 <LiruCookies> the server response gives us the llsd and we do LLAvatarName::fromLLSD on it
2015-01-09 05:39 <LiruCookies> Any field not named in fromLLSD can be assumed not used.
2015-01-09 05:40 <LiruCookies> @brief Represents name-related data for an avatar, such as the
2015-01-09 05:40 <LiruCookies> username/SLID ("bobsmith123" or "james.linden") and the display
2015-01-09 05:40 <LiruCookies> name ("James Cook")
2015-01-09 05:41 <LiruCookies> So these are interchangeable terms and originally it can be assumed the lindens used sl_id, but that didn't go through some standard they have so it was changeed to username.
2015-01-09 05:41 <diva> ok
2015-01-09 05:43 <diva> alright I'll finish this tomorrow
2015-01-09 05:43 <diva> NN
2015-01-09 05:43 <LiruCookies> goodnight
2015-01-09 10:03 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-09 10:03 <osmantis> Bug #7319:04 XEngine Errors, Can't access an unloaded application domain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7319 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-09 10:05 <osmantis> Bug #7319:04 XEngine Errors, Can't access an unloaded application domain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7319 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-09 10:49 <osmantis> Bug #7249:04 [BULLETSIM LINKSET COMPOUND] Linkset rebuild warning If this happen s more than one or two times 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7249 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2015-01-09 10:49 <osmantis> Bug #7249:04 [BULLETSIM LINKSET COMPOUND] Linkset rebuild warning If this happen s more than one or two times 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7249 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2015-01-09 10:53 <osmantis> Bug #6559:04 [EMAIL] DefaultEmailModule Exception Unrecognized authentication type 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6559 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2015-01-09 10:54 <osmantis> Bug #6959:04 [SCRIPT] llAvatarOnSitTarget return allways NULL_KEY 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6959 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2015-01-09 10:55 <osmantis> Bug #6959:04 [SCRIPT] llAvatarOnSitTarget return allways NULL_KEY 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6959 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2015-01-09 13:22 <osmantis> Bug #7406:04 problème avec MWI 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7406 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-09 15:06 <osmantis> Bug #7164:04 Bullet physics has trouble with shallow stairs (even basic prim ones) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7164 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-09 15:31 <osmantis> Bug #7106:04 Avatar feets follow terrain instead of the object its walking on. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7106 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-09 15:37 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-09 15:56 <diva> anyone knows anything about display names? What's the meaning of this on top of the avie's head? Test User (Test User) <-- the name in paranthesis, what's this supposed to be?
2015-01-09 16:02 <AllenKerensky> if you choose to show both - the displayname is shown with the avatar's base name in parentheses
2015-01-09 16:02 <diva> is that a viewer setting?
2015-01-09 16:03 <Wanderer_42> You can use what you want. To play with names, to give you an additional name etc. I dont need that. Someone can set that name to "diva". And depending on what the people  has configured, they think , thats you :-)
2015-01-09 16:04 <AllenKerensky> yes the viewers can set whether to show the display name only, base name only, or both
2015-01-09 16:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #3973 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-09 16:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3973: SUCCESS in 9 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3973/
2015-01-09 16:43 <osjenkins> diva: Added GetDisplayNames capability. For now, we don't actually use display names, and this cap returns the regular name. But this moves the server side into the newer, preferred, protocol used by the viewer for fetching the names of agents in the scene given their UUIDs. (the old protocol is via UDP). This works fine in my limited tests, but could use further testing by others.
2015-01-09 17:13 <osmantis> Bug #7407:04 Attempting save of script state for attachments worn by NPC when removing them from scene 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7407 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-09 18:47 <Plugh> What is the 0.8.1-dev version of OpenSimulator? Is that equivalent to git master?
2015-01-09 18:48 <Plugh> s/to/to a snapshot of/
2015-01-09 18:55 <Plugh> nm. Found out the person who is using 0.8.1 got it from osgrid.
2015-01-09 18:56 <nebadon_laptop> yea that is genearlly git master Plugh
2015-01-09 18:56 <Plugh> yea, I knew something wasn't right when they said they were using 0.8.1 which is why I asked where they got the code.
2015-01-09 18:57 <Plugh> Soon as they said from osgrid it explained a lot.
2015-01-09 18:59 <Melanie_T> diva: ping
2015-01-09 18:59 <diva> pong
2015-01-09 18:59 <Melanie_T> diva: yur recent commmit to add GetDisplayNames contains a whole lot of unrelated stuff, code cleanup, massive changes to asset caching, etc
2015-01-09 18:59 <diva> ?
2015-01-09 19:00 <Melanie_T> was that intended to go in without a message saying so?
2015-01-09 19:00 <diva> what?
2015-01-09 19:00 <Melanie_T> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commitdiff&p=opensim&h=20b34135cb7e025fb783b10138fcdc2512c58c07
2015-01-09 19:00 <diva> oh crap
2015-01-09 19:00 <diva> what the heck?
2015-01-09 19:00 <diva> no...
2015-01-09 19:00 <Melanie_T> in fact, it replaces the uuid gatherer
2015-01-09 19:01 <diva> that was not me!
2015-01-09 19:01 <Melanie_T> but does not add the GetDisplayNames cap
2015-01-09 19:01 <diva> that was justin
2015-01-09 19:01 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2015-01-09 19:01 <nebadon_laptop> justin did that
2015-01-09 19:01 <Melanie_T> hmmm
2015-01-09 19:01 <Melanie_T> viewgit shows it as yours
2015-01-09 19:01 <diva> I just merged
2015-01-09 19:01 <diva> the last commit is the tree merging
2015-01-09 19:02 <diva> with justin's
2015-01-09 19:02 <diva> what did he do  this time?
2015-01-09 19:02 <Melanie_T> nothing bad
2015-01-09 19:02 <Melanie_T> it just looks, in viewgit, as if you'd committed that
2015-01-09 19:02 <diva> phew
2015-01-09 19:02 <Melanie_T> so i got confused
2015-01-09 19:02 <diva> yeah I got confused for a second too!
2015-01-09 19:02 <Melanie_T> re redid the gatherer
2015-01-09 19:02 <nebadon_laptop> heh ya that is wierd
2015-01-09 19:02 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2015-01-09 19:02 <Melanie_T> which is perfectly fine
2015-01-09 19:06 <Melanie_T> why did you move the IUserManagement interface?
2015-01-09 19:08 <diva> so that it can be used by a future robust-bound service that does that for at least groups of regions
2015-01-09 19:08 <Melanie_T> then string GetUserServerURL(UUID uuid, string serverType); needs to go from this interface
2015-01-09 19:08 <diva> that is, so that we can point that CAP URL elsewhere
2015-01-09 19:08 <diva> why?
2015-01-09 19:08 <Melanie_T> since that is a method that is only possible to use in a region context
2015-01-09 19:09 <diva> not really
2015-01-09 19:09 <Melanie_T> the user server url is configured through opensim.ini
2015-01-09 19:09 <Melanie_T> robust services have no access to it
2015-01-09 19:09 <diva> an eventual service would use oth the user accountsd service and the grid user service
2015-01-09 19:09 <diva> no
2015-01-09 19:09 <diva> the users carry it around
2015-01-09 19:09 <diva> and the providing grid also provides that info if you ask it
2015-01-09 19:09 <Melanie_T> in hg mode they do, but do they also do that in local mode?
2015-01-09 19:10 <diva> the service can check whether the user is local or not
2015-01-09 19:10 <diva> it can do whatever the region module is doing
2015-01-09 19:10 <diva> and it can be configured properly too, including given server URLs if needed
2015-01-09 19:11 <diva> I don't know how much the viewers spam the sims with this capability request, but wanted to leave the door open to redirect it
2015-01-09 19:11 <Melanie_T> sure
2015-01-09 19:12 <Melanie_T> sounds like a plan
2015-01-09 19:12 <diva> cool
2015-01-09 19:12 <Melanie_T> and
2015-01-09 19:12 <diva> I've seen a lot of requests for names in general, but I'm not sure if they are still coming via UDP 
2015-01-09 19:12 <Melanie_T> it's sent whenever you receive an IM from a user who is not near you
2015-01-09 19:12 <Melanie_T> when you search for users
2015-01-09 19:13 <Melanie_T> when you open a profile, from search or calling card
2015-01-09 19:13 <Melanie_T> once for each name in the friends list
2015-01-09 19:13 <Melanie_T> once for each name in the groups user list when you open it
2015-01-09 19:13 <Melanie_T> etc
2015-01-09 19:13 <diva> geez
2015-01-09 19:13 <Melanie_T> so yes, there is quite a bit of that going on
2015-01-09 19:13 <Melanie_T> all these messages contain uuids only
2015-01-09 19:14 <Melanie_T> so thay all have to be reslved to names
2015-01-09 19:14 <Melanie_T> although the name rides along on IM, it's not used
2015-01-09 19:14 <Melanie_T> it's displayed on the tab but not entered into local cache
2015-01-09 19:15 <Melanie_T> so the name in front of the text inside the IM tab is already resolved using this 
2015-01-09 19:15 <Melanie_T> instead of copying the already known name from the tab
2015-01-09 19:15 <Melanie_T> there are more crazy places like that
2015-01-09 19:15 <Melanie_T> where already known info is re-queried
2015-01-09 19:15 <diva> yeah I remember seeing a shitload of name requests at some point when I was working on the user management module...
2015-01-09 19:17 <LiruCookies> diva: Is there a place to test this new code?
2015-01-09 19:17 <diva> that's why the thought of rerouting those requests somewhere else sounded like a thing we might want to do at some point
2015-01-09 19:17 <diva> LiruCookies, I'm sure someone here will update their test grids soon. I don't have any publicly available test grid right now...
2015-01-09 19:22 <Melanie_T> diva: it should be possible to send display name as blank
2015-01-09 19:22 <Melanie_T> that reduces bandwidth somewhat
2015-01-09 19:23 <Melanie_T> liru said that the viewer copies the username to the display name if display name is blank
2015-01-09 19:24 <LiruCookies> Yep, if display name field is empty, .asString will make it an empty string, and if mDisplayName.empty() mDisplayName = mUsername
2015-01-09 19:24 <diva> I tried but it looked really weird
2015-01-09 19:24 <diva> tha's the first thing I did
2015-01-09 19:24 <LiruCookies> <display_name/>?
2015-01-09 19:25 <diva> the result was "Test User (Test User)" on top of my head
2015-01-09 19:25 <LiruCookies> Did you say display name is default?
2015-01-09 19:25 <diva> no
2015-01-09 19:25 <diva> I think this is a bug in the viewer
2015-01-09 19:25 <LiruCookies> You'll have to for that, I think.
2015-01-09 19:25 <LiruCookies> Actually
2015-01-09 19:25 <diva> because then I logged out and logged in again, and it was fine. But I think that's because the second time the viewer got it from the cache, which had tham the same
2015-01-09 19:25 <LiruCookies> You're right
2015-01-09 19:26 <LiruCookies> There is a minor bug
2015-01-09 19:26 <diva> yeah, that was my conclusion
2015-01-09 19:26 <LiruCookies> We do that if I mentioned after evaluating mIsDisplayNameDefault
2015-01-09 19:26 <diva> I did't want to confuse ppl, so, I tried sending in the same username, and that worked
2015-01-09 19:26 <LiruCookies> Which means that mIsDisplayNameDefault can only be right after reloading from cache.
2015-01-09 19:27 <LiruCookies> I could get firestorm to update for this..
2015-01-09 19:27 <LiruCookies> I'll just write up a patch and poke Ansa.
2015-01-09 19:27 <diva> ok
2015-01-09 19:31 <LiruCookies> https://github.com/Lirusaito/SingularityViewer/commit/05a4409b3d24c6eca072e3644f472b4bd6661684
2015-01-09 19:36 <LiruCookies> Hm...
2015-01-09 19:36 <LiruCookies> Maybe it'd be more optimal to do a .empty() instead.
2015-01-09 19:36 <LiruCookies> Eh
2015-01-09 19:36 <LiruCookies> Doesn't matter... or shouldn't.
2015-01-09 19:44 <LiruCookies> http://hg.phoenixviewer.com/phoenix-firestorm-lgpl/rev/7de7919f0657
2015-01-09 19:44 <LiruCookies> Boom
2015-01-09 23:20 <LiruCookies> Anyone around?
2015-01-09 23:21 <LiruCookies> I'd like to have a look at a var region with property lines scattered around it.
2015-01-09 23:22 <AliciaRaven> what are you looking for?
2015-01-09 23:22 <LiruCookies> http://code.google.com/p/singularity-viewer/issues/detail?id=1684
2015-01-09 23:22 <LiruCookies> I already have a fix in place for this, I'd just like to know that it works.
2015-01-09 23:22 <AliciaRaven> grid.spellscape.co.uk:80, our main sim is var 3x3 with property lines all round
2015-01-09 23:23 <LiruCookies> Is that the same spellscape I was on a while ago?
2015-01-09 23:23 <LiruCookies> (can I use my same login?)
2015-01-09 23:23 <AliciaRaven> yes
2015-01-09 23:23 <LiruCookies> Awesome.
2015-01-09 23:25 <LiruCookies> Which region is that?
2015-01-09 23:25 <AliciaRaven> the main landing region
2015-01-09 23:25 <AliciaRaven> name is honeywood
2015-01-09 23:25 <LiruCookies> Oki
2015-01-09 23:25 <LiruCookies> Thankyou~
2015-01-09 23:26 <AliciaRaven> np :)
2015-01-09 23:26 <LiruCookies> Do you have a web map I could compare again?
2015-01-09 23:26 <LiruCookies> against*
2015-01-09 23:26 <AliciaRaven> www.spellscape.co.uk/world/map
2015-01-09 23:28 <LiruCookies> Awesome, thank you.
2015-01-09 23:34 <AliciaRaven> LiruCookies, any chance this will fix map scale in the mini map for var regions?
2015-01-09 23:35 <AliciaRaven> when using the map texture on the mini map that is
2015-01-09 23:38 <LiruCookies> Oh? Is that broken too?
2015-01-09 23:39 <LiruCookies> Sure, I'll address that
2015-01-09 23:39 <AliciaRaven> yes, only the first 256x256 of the map texture is used across the whole var region, in the mini map
2015-01-09 23:39 <AliciaRaven> cool
2015-01-09 23:39 <LiruCookies> Only the first 256^2? Odd.
2015-01-09 23:40 <AliciaRaven> yes, the first standard sim size, the bottom left corner
2015-01-09 23:40 <LiruCookies> Hmmm
2015-01-09 23:40 <LiruCookies> From 0 to 1
2015-01-09 23:40 <LiruCookies> Perhaps
2015-01-09 23:41 <LiruCookies> I think that's the issue
2015-01-09 23:41 <LiruCookies> To fix this, I'll have to do division.
2015-01-09 23:45 <LiruCookies> I'm not even connected to the var
2015-01-09 23:45 <LiruCookies> I'm stuck in the bottom right section
2015-01-09 23:45 <LiruCookies> er
2015-01-09 23:45 <LiruCookies> bottom left
2015-01-09 23:46 <AliciaRaven> stuck?
2015-01-09 23:46 <LiruCookies> [15:44:48]  Cannot cross into non-existent region
2015-01-09 23:46 <AliciaRaven> i will come over and send u a tp
2015-01-09 23:47 <AliciaRaven> i see you as at the far north
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2015-01-10 10:40 <osmantis> Bug #6667:04 when accepting a friend request over hypergrid, this friend can edit my objects. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6667 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-10 10:50 <osmantis> Bug #6667:04 when accepting a friend request over hypergrid, this friend can edit my objects. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6667 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-10 11:04 <osmantis> Bug #6667:04 when accepting a friend request over hypergrid, this friend can edit my objects. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6667 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-10 11:09 <osmantis> Bug #6667:04 when accepting a friend request over hypergrid, this friend can edit my objects. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6667 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-10 11:17 <osmantis> Bug #6667:04 when accepting a friend request over hypergrid, this friend can edit my objects. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6667 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-10 13:05 <osmantis> Bug #7202:04 Loading OAR Fails to restore parcel data 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7202 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-10 14:13 <osmantis> Bug #7408:04 Avatar Names Display Faulty 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7408 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-10 14:14 <osmantis> Bug #7408:04 Avatar Names Display Faulty 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7408 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-01-10 14:29 <osmantis> Bug #7408:04 Avatar Names Display Faulty 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-10 14:35 <osmantis> Bug #7408:04 Avatar Names Display Faulty 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-10 15:02 <osmantis> Bug #7408:04 Avatar Names Display Faulty 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-10 15:12 <osmantis> Bug #7408:04 Avatar Names Display Faulty 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-10 17:03 <LiruCookies> AliciaRaven: Shyotl and I collaborated to fix that issue
2015-01-10 17:04 <LiruCookies> AliciaRaven: Although I'm still playing with the boundaries thing.
2015-01-10 17:05 <Misterblue> someone is here.... it seemed that everyone was off in some virtual world somethere
2015-01-10 17:23 <LiruCookies> AliciaRaven: Oh my, that's beautiful, when the property lines are working they produce such a pretty map.
2015-01-10 17:37 <LiruCookies> AliciaRaven: There's a build of Singularity alpha coming out that you'll be quite interested in.
2015-01-10 18:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #3974 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-10 19:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3974: SUCCESS in 9 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3974/
2015-01-10 19:04 <osjenkins> diva: SimulatorFeatures: the viewer also takes GridName in OpenSim extras. Added that (plus GridURL, in case viewers want to use it too) to the GridService that gives out that info to simulators.
2015-01-10 19:15 <Misterblue> o
2015-01-10 19:15 <Misterblue> O
2015-01-10 19:16 <Misterblue> need to get a new keyboard... the 'home position' bumps have worn off this one
2015-01-10 19:31 <Misterblue> what's with the: Exception: System.Exception: Could not load an ISimulationDataService implementation from OpenSim.Services.Con
2015-01-10 19:31 <Misterblue> nectors.dll:SimulationDataService, as configured in the LocalServiceModule parameter of the [SimulationDataSto
2015-01-10 19:31 <Misterblue> re] config section.
2015-01-10 19:31 <Misterblue> Do I need to update my config-include directory with the latest master?
2015-01-10 19:32 <Misterblue> 
ACTION thinks configuration defaults have changed

2015-01-10 19:36 <Misterblue> it is clear everyone is off participating in RL
2015-01-10 19:36 <AllenKerensky> yeah saturday afternoon
2015-01-10 19:36 <AllenKerensky> northern hemisphere frozen solid
2015-01-10 19:37 <Plugh> It is usually a good idea to keep your config files in sync with the latest version
2015-01-10 19:37 <AllenKerensky> Everyone huddling near fires to survive
2015-01-10 19:37 <Misterblue> I'd think everyone is inside doing virtual worlds since the  real world is frozen :)
2015-01-10 19:37 <AllenKerensky> yeah and my private sim is an ice moon...
2015-01-10 19:38 <Misterblue> my problem with configuration files is that there is no good way of over ridding the config-include files
2015-01-10 19:39 <Misterblue> since the INI 'include' construct reads them after all the other INI files, I can't just override them
2015-01-10 19:39 <Plugh> yea. I've noticed before that once an INI value is set it can't be changed later. Seems not right to me but there it is.
2015-01-10 19:39 <Misterblue> I just copy OpenSim.ini and OpenSimDefaults.ini from the release and then over-ride them
2015-01-10 19:39 <Misterblue> can't do that easily with anything in config-include
2015-01-10 19:40 <Plugh> If you add your settings to OpenSim.ini before they would be found in an include that should let you override the settings in config-include.
2015-01-10 19:42 <Misterblue> means editing of OpenSim.ini... would prefer to just add override files to bin/config
2015-01-10 19:50 <Plugh> When does it pick up the stuff in addons?
2015-01-10 19:51 <Plugh> hmm... I don't see the include for that directory
2015-01-10 19:52 <Plugh> ah, it is in the defaults file.
2015-01-10 19:53 <Plugh> Depending on the sequence of includes you might be able to use an ini placed in addon-modules
2015-01-10 19:54 <Misterblue> humm.. I don't understand the new addins stuff...
2015-01-10 19:55 <Plugh> It isn't new. The OpenSimDefaults.ini has an include that picks up stuff in addon-modules.
2015-01-10 19:55 <Misterblue> used to be that it would read OpenSimDefaults then OpenSim.ini then read bin/config/*.ini then process any includes
2015-01-10 19:55 <Misterblue> where are addin's looked at?
2015-01-10 19:56 <Misterblue> so the addon modules are processed before OpenSim.ini is read?
2015-01-10 19:56 <Plugh> I don't know. I'm just pointing it out as a possibility. I don't know the sequence of ini file processing.
2015-01-10 19:57 <Misterblue> it's in OpenSim.ConfigurationLoader
2015-01-10 19:57 <Plugh> addon-modules/*/config/*.ini is included in the [Modules] sectiion of the defaults files.
2015-01-10 19:58 <Misterblue> includes are a kludge-ish addition... the include statement is read and the filename is added to a list that is processed later
2015-01-10 19:58 <Plugh> yea, I remember reading about that. Don't know why it was done that way.
2015-01-10 19:58 <Misterblue> doesn't work like most include systems (including the specified file in place)
2015-01-10 20:01 <Plugh> yeah. I have also ruan across a situation where a setting couldn't be changed later once it was set. Not sure if that issue still exists.
2015-01-10 20:02 <Misterblue> I'd think that is related to the order of include file processing... I think it's the same
2015-01-10 20:02 <Plugh> I wouldn't expect it to matter but it did.
2015-01-10 20:03 <Misterblue> do I understand correctly that addon config files are included via an 'include' statement in OpenSimDefaults.ini?
2015-01-10 20:03 <nebadon_> Misterblue I had same problem
2015-01-10 20:03 <MarcusLlewellyn> The stuff in config-include is at the end of OpenSim.ini, in the [Architecture] section.
2015-01-10 20:03 <Plugh> It is in the [Modules] section at the endof the defaults file.
2015-01-10 20:04 <nebadon_> diva told me to contact her this weekend she would explain how to get around this
2015-01-10 20:04 <nebadon_> need to update Grid.ini and GridHypergrid.ini files
2015-01-10 20:04 <Plugh> nebadon_: Wouldn't it be better to fix it instead having to work around the issue?
2015-01-10 20:04 <nebadon_> but ive been doing the same thing, hard coding path in those files
2015-01-10 20:04 <nebadon_> well according to diva
2015-01-10 20:04 <nebadon_> ive alway been doing it the wrong way
2015-01-10 20:04 <nebadon_> which is probably tru
2015-01-10 20:04 <MarcusLlewellyn> I override stuff in config-include. I just do it in my own OpenSim.ini file via the -ini-directory switch.
2015-01-10 20:04 <nebadon_> you are not supposed to edit these files
2015-01-10 20:05 <nebadon_> i dont like combining everything into 1 file
2015-01-10 20:05 <nebadon_> which i think is what she does
2015-01-10 20:05 <nebadon_> but maybe she can explain better what she means when she is around
2015-01-10 20:05 <nebadon_> she didnt change anything though
2015-01-10 20:05 <nebadon_> it still works the same as before
2015-01-10 20:05 <nebadon_> it just sucks when someone modifies these files
2015-01-10 20:05 <nebadon_> and you have entire grids that use the way im doing it
2015-01-10 20:05 <nebadon_> it makes for a painful update is all
2015-01-10 20:06 <Misterblue> I'd like to be able to override everything in bin/*.ini and bin/config-include/*.ini with some INI files somewhere
2015-01-10 20:06 <Misterblue> that isn't possible at the moment
2015-01-10 20:06 <nebadon_> yea
2015-01-10 20:06 <nebadon_> its not
2015-01-10 20:06 <nebadon_> unless you combine everything into 1 file
2015-01-10 20:06 <nebadon_> and eliminte those completely, basically cherry pick everything you need
2015-01-10 20:06 <nebadon_> into 1 master ini
2015-01-10 20:06 <MarcusLlewellyn> Maybe I'm not understanding... but I think I do that? With the command line switches?
2015-01-10 20:06 <nebadon_> which i suspect is what diva is going to tell me i need to do
2015-01-10 20:07 <nebadon_> you can but it still points you to other ini files
2015-01-10 20:07 <Misterblue> I'd like to change the current default config files so they are over-rideable
2015-01-10 20:07 <nebadon_> and then those inis point you to others
2015-01-10 20:07 <Misterblue> so I can just copy the release...  then override
2015-01-10 20:07 <MarcusLlewellyn> In my case, it reads the stuff in bin and config-include first. It then reads my custom INI file(s), overriding what it had read before.
2015-01-10 20:07 <nebadon_> so if you move stuff you have to change the paths on everything
2015-01-10 20:08 <Misterblue> Markus... where do you put your over-ride files?
2015-01-10 20:08 <nebadon_> for me non of my ini files are under bin
2015-01-10 20:08 <nebadon_> i keep everything outside
2015-01-10 20:08 <MarcusLlewellyn> I have a directory outside of bin called Sims. Each simulator then gets it's own subdirectory, containing a custom INI file.
2015-01-10 20:08 <nebadon_> i probably am not doing it correctly
2015-01-10 20:09 <MarcusLlewellyn> I could condense that a lot further if I made more extensive use of environment variables.
2015-01-10 20:09 <Misterblue> there is the pattern of just replacing all of OpenSimDefaults.ini/OpenSim.ini... understood to be a good pattern for larger grids
2015-01-10 20:09 <Misterblue> but some of us run smaller standalone grids
2015-01-10 20:10 <Misterblue> and would like to have all the defaults in OpenSimDefaults.ini/OpenSim.ini/config-include... but then override them with our specific changes
2015-01-10 20:10 <Plugh> As long as you can change a variable via an ini after it was set in an earlier ini custom changes would be placed in a file that is read last.
2015-01-10 20:11 <Misterblue> I don't want to edit OpenSim.ini everytime it changes
2015-01-10 20:11 <Plugh> If you specify ini files via command line where do they wind up in the sequence of ini reading? Do they get added to the end of the list like include files?
2015-01-10 20:11 <Misterblue> for OpenSim.ini, I can override my http port setting with a file in bin/config... can't do  that for anything in config-include
2015-01-10 20:12 <Plugh> or does it append the command lines ones to the list before it has a chance to start adding specified includes to the list?
2015-01-10 20:12 <MarcusLlewellyn> In my experience, at least with -ini-directory, my INI files are loaded last, overriding anything in bin.
2015-01-10 20:12 <nebadon_> i had trouble with -ini-directory
2015-01-10 20:12 <MarcusLlewellyn> I been using it for maybe two years now with no issue.
2015-01-10 20:12 <nebadon_> initially that was how i did it too, but it started failing on me at some point
2015-01-10 20:12 <nebadon_> i think because of a module we used
2015-01-10 20:12 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yeah... I stick very, very close to vanilla.
2015-01-10 20:13 <nebadon_> maybe search or groups
2015-01-10 20:13 <nebadon_> when the internal search or groups when in
2015-01-10 20:13 <Plugh> Sounds like an issue to be mantised, then a wiki page written up as to the most flexible reading of ini files so the code can be updated.
2015-01-10 20:13 <nebadon_> the external ones stopped working because of that
2015-01-10 20:13 <MarcusLlewellyn> Is it's the ones OSgrid uses, I been running my OSgrid sims this way for a long time.
2015-01-10 20:13 <nebadon_> atleast i think i could be remembering wrong, i just remember it was a module
2015-01-10 20:14 <nebadon_> maybe something for OSCC Wifi too
2015-01-10 20:14 <Misterblue> my reading of OpenSim.ConfigurationLoader is it reads OpenSimDefaults.ini, then OpenSim.ini, then bin/config/*.ini, then any 'includes' from the previous files
2015-01-10 20:14 <nebadon_> was a long while back
2015-01-10 20:15 <Misterblue> since the default OpenSim.ini does an include of "config-include", that gets read last
2015-01-10 20:15 <Plugh> I'm using single ini file but it only has the stuff from the files we are supposed to customize and it is really a concatention of the key ini files with the changes I need. Makes it easier for me to compare the parts against the latest versions in the source tree.
2015-01-10 20:15 <danbanner> looks like osprofiles and ossearch dont like lastest dev
2015-01-10 20:15 <Plugh> I still rely on the reading of the defaults file. I don't include a copy of it in my master.
2015-01-10 20:16 <Plugh> danbanner: they don't?
2015-01-10 20:16 <danbanner> http://pastebin.com/k3ps8x25
2015-01-10 20:16 <Misterblue> ya... OpenSimDefaults.ini and OpenSim.ini can be replaced... I've known of systems that just built their own configuation files and replaced OpenSimDefaults with their own complete configuration
2015-01-10 20:16 <MarcusLlewellyn> I haven't touched the OpenSim.ini in bin in ages. I don't need to. I make my changes to my ini files in the director specified by -ini-directory. It makes life tons simpler.
2015-01-10 20:16 <danbanner> they toss a little spam and dont work
2015-01-10 20:16 <Plugh> oh, is that something to do with the move to addin modules?
2015-01-10 20:16 <danbanner> seemed to compile fine
2015-01-10 20:17 <danbanner> yup
2015-01-10 20:17 <Plugh> My main machine is down so I can't easily test changes. I haven't even read the details of the changes needed to support the new system.
2015-01-10 20:18 <Plugh> I'll have to update those modules before the next release.
2015-01-10 20:18 <Misterblue> I am having problems getting existing simulators running... seems recent changes require INI file updates
2015-01-10 20:18 <danbanner> thanks
2015-01-10 20:18 <Plugh> danbanner: Don't hold your breath. I don't know when I will have my main computer up and running again.
2015-01-10 20:18 <Misterblue> thus discussions about how to override what's in config-include :)
2015-01-10 20:19 <Misterblue> when are addins processed?
2015-01-10 20:20 <Misterblue> 
ACTION hasn't tried addins so doesn't know what quagmire we're getting into

2015-01-10 20:20 <nebadon_> I though nothing was going to break
2015-01-10 20:20 <nebadon_> that old stuff would still work
2015-01-10 20:20 <danbanner> apparently thats not the case
2015-01-10 20:20 <nebadon_> could have sworn that was what diva said at meeting few weeks ago
2015-01-10 20:20 <nebadon_> ok
2015-01-10 20:20 <nebadon_> check with diva
2015-01-10 20:20 <nebadon_> it may not be anything needs to be done to those
2015-01-10 20:20 <nebadon_> and something in core fixed
2015-01-10 20:20 <danbanner> ok
2015-01-10 20:20 <danbanner> ping diva
2015-01-10 20:21 <nebadon_> lets rule that out before we start hacking on the old modules too much
2015-01-10 20:21 <danbanner> ya sounds like a good plan
2015-01-10 20:21 <Misterblue> she might have thought "old stuff should Just Work" but... well we've all been programming for a while and know the story :)
2015-01-10 20:27 <Misterblue> so, I'm trying to update an existing simulator and getting errors... I'm thinking that configuration file requirements have changed
2015-01-10 20:27 <Misterblue> old defaults don't work in new simulators
2015-01-10 20:27 <Misterblue> I'm looking at you Diva
2015-01-10 20:28 <MarcusLlewellyn> I'm wondering if this mailing list post may be relevant. It shows where she discusses moving soe things from OpenSim.RegionModules to OpenSim.Region.Framework. https://www.mail-archive.com/opensim-dev@opensimulator.org/msg00651.html
2015-01-10 20:29 <MarcusLlewellyn> That seems to resemble dan's pastebin.
2015-01-10 20:29 <Plugh> I compare the Defaults and .example files between releases when upgrading grid software to see what has changed and what I may need to change in my ini files.
2015-01-10 20:30 <Misterblue> operationally, do I copy all *.config and *.xml files to my bin directories?
2015-01-10 20:30 <Misterblue> and then what do I need to override in my INI files?
2015-01-10 20:32 <Misterblue> 
ACTION knows, as a developer what is changing, but what need to change as a simulator runner

2015-01-10 20:32 <MarcusLlewellyn> I just got some addin related messages and a sim that wouldn't start completely after an upgrade. A clean bin directory solved my issue. I nuked everything except ScriptEngine, asset-cache, config-include, OpenSim.ini, and OpenSim.exe.config.
2015-01-10 20:33 <Misterblue> some cleaning is necessary.. is there a good processes for cleaning *.config, *.xml and *.ini for the new addin world?
2015-01-10 20:34 <MarcusLlewellyn> I used my *.ini and *.config files that existed pre-addin-changes.
2015-01-10 20:36 <osmantis> Bug #7408:04 Avatar Names Display Faulty 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7408 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-01-10 21:01 <diva> anyone called me?
2015-01-10 21:02 <diva> tl;dr what's the problem?
2015-01-10 21:02 <danbanner> hi diva
2015-01-10 21:03 <diva> hi
2015-01-10 21:03 <danbanner> hey i updated to current dev and plugh's ossearch and osprofiles modules seem to have issues
2015-01-10 21:03 <danbanner> http://pastebin.com/k3ps8x25
2015-01-10 21:03 <diva> they need to be changed
2015-01-10 21:04 <danbanner> okay 
2015-01-10 21:04 <diva> the module dependency has changed
2015-01-10 21:04 <Plugh> I don't know what changes are required nor am I in a position to easily test changes.
2015-01-10 21:04 <diva> from ("OpenSim", "0.5") to ("OpenSim.Region.Framework", <current version>]
2015-01-10 21:05 <danbanner> ahh i can do that
2015-01-10 21:05 <diva> there's a variable that's handy for the version 1 sec
2015-01-10 21:05 <Plugh> That's it?
2015-01-10 21:05 <diva> this
2015-01-10 21:05 <diva> [assembly: AddinDependency("OpenSim.Region.Framework", OpenSim.VersionInfo.VersionNumber)]
2015-01-10 21:05 <Plugh> what is the curent version?
2015-01-10 21:05 <diva> yes, that's all
2015-01-10 21:06 <diva> replace the existing line with this one I just pasted
2015-01-10 21:06 <Plugh> oh, use a pre-defined constant. 
2015-01-10 21:07 <danbanner> is see it has
2015-01-10 21:07 <danbanner> [assembly: Addin("OpenSimProfile", "0.3")][assembly: AddinDependency("OpenSim", "0.5")]
2015-01-10 21:07 <Plugh> If this is a change only for latest dev I need to make a new branch of ossearch and osprofile for those wanting to stick with 0.8
2015-01-10 21:07 <danbanner> so the second line
2015-01-10 21:07 <danbanner> ahh ya
2015-01-10 21:07 <diva> yes, the second line
2015-01-10 21:07 <danbanner> just change [assembly: AddinDependency("OpenSim", "0.5")]
2015-01-10 21:07 <danbanner> okay got it
2015-01-10 21:07 <danbanner> thanks
2015-01-10 21:08 <diva> although I strongly recommend that ppl number their modules in relation to the version of opensim with which thei are compiling
2015-01-10 21:08 <diva> so that othr ppl will immediately know what version of opensim the module is supposed to work with
2015-01-10 21:08 <diva> here's what I use:
2015-01-10 21:09 <diva> [assembly: Addin("Diva.VirtualOffice", OpenSim.VersionInfo.VersionNumber + "." + Diva.VirtualOffice.Info.VersionNumber)]
2015-01-10 21:09 <diva> that's for one of my addons
2015-01-10 21:09 <diva> the first few digits are OpenSim's version. The last one is my module's version
2015-01-10 21:10 <diva> so ppl will see things like this: http://metaverseink.com/repo/
2015-01-10 21:10 <diva> and immediately know with which opensim those modules are supposed to work
2015-01-10 21:13 <danbanner> thanks diva, all sorted now :)
2015-01-10 21:13 <diva> (all of what I just said applies to the first line of what you pasted, the one where you define your addin name and version, not the second one, which is the opensim dependency)
2015-01-10 21:13 <diva> work?
2015-01-10 21:13 <diva> works?
2015-01-10 21:13 <Plugh> diva, that would make the code always claim to work with whatever version of OS it is compiled against even if it isn't compatible with that version.
2015-01-10 21:14 <danbanner> yes
2015-01-10 21:14 <diva> it has to be compatible with the version it compiles against
2015-01-10 21:14 <diva> by definition
2015-01-10 21:14 <Plugh> If I changed ossearch to say 0.8 people would think it would work with latest git master but it wouldn't until that second line is changed.
2015-01-10 21:15 <Plugh> Making a change now I would use 0.8.0 instead of just 0.8 to show it won't work with 0.8.1
2015-01-10 21:16 <Plugh> If I pick up the constant representing the current version of OS it will always make it seem it is meant for use with latest one even if the module code isn't in sync with changes that might have taken place in the core code.
2015-01-10 21:16 <diva> What you're saying doesn't make any sense
2015-01-10 21:17 <diva> OpenSim.VersionInfo.VersionNumber always has the correct value
2015-01-10 21:17 <Plugh> It does make sense. You said you use -> [assembly: Addin("Diva.VirtualOffice", OpenSim.VersionInfo.VersionNumber + "." + Diva.VirtualOffice.Info.VersionNumber)]
2015-01-10 21:18 <Plugh> That line will always use the current version of OpenSim as if to say "this module will work with the version of code that is in the source tree containing the module.
2015-01-10 21:18 <diva> yes. and OpenSim.VersionInfo.VersionNumber will be the right number for every checkout of opensim I may compile my module against
2015-01-10 21:18 <Plugh> It is possible (like now) that the core code changed and the module has not changed to match.
2015-01-10 21:18 <diva> for dev that's a different srtory
2015-01-10 21:19 <Plugh> We are talking about the dev code.
2015-01-10 21:19 <diva> there's no guaratntees whatsoever for binary compatibilities when you're in dev branch
2015-01-10 21:19 <diva> I wrote about it already, you can ready it up
2015-01-10 21:19 <diva> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Installing_3rd_party_addins#Versioning
2015-01-10 21:19 <diva> you can do whatever you want wrt the version number of your modules
2015-01-10 21:20 <diva> for me, I plan to keep severla versions of my modules around and available, and usually for older releases of opensim, so I want pppl to know immediately with version they are compatible with instead of having them ask me
2015-01-10 21:20 <Plugh> That page shows use of an string for the version info. That would make sense. Using a predefined constant that would always be that of the version of code you are compiling does not.
2015-01-10 21:21 <diva> sigh
2015-01-10 21:21 <diva> good luck!
2015-01-10 21:23 <diva> OpenSim.VersionInfo.VersionNumber is a string, btw. but I'm outta here
2015-01-10 21:23 <Plugh> You obviously don't understand what I'm saying. 
2015-01-10 21:23 <Plugh> np
2015-01-10 22:03 <Velus> hello i dont know if anyone here could help me, but im starting up a company that does hosting of opensim servers, and well could i use the opensim logo on the website? 
2015-01-10 22:15 <diva> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OpenSim_Graphics
2015-01-10 22:58 <Velus> anyone online atm 
2015-01-10 23:00 <diva> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OpenSim_Graphics
2015-01-10 23:01 <diva> ^^ that's for you, Velus
2015-01-10 23:01 <Misterblue> what does 'online' mean in the current context?
2015-01-10 23:05 <Velus> is there any Ad graphics rather than just powered by ones
2015-01-10 23:05 <diva> ?
2015-01-10 23:06 <Velus> like a little ad like there logo normal logo 
2015-01-10 23:06 <diva> did you read what the pages says?
2015-01-10 23:07 <diva> read the page, don't just look at the pictures
2015-01-10 23:07 <Velus> yes i have read the page 
2015-01-10 23:08 <diva> you will get on some people's bad side if you attempt to convey the message that your company is endorsed by the OpenSimulator project, so don't do it.
2015-01-10 23:08 <Velus> and no im not using it to promote my product, or to say we have a partnership or anything like that, im using it for to things, one to say we offer opensim hosting services and 2 to put an ad on my site for them 
2015-01-10 23:08 <Velus> im not trying to say we are endorsed by the opensim project 
2015-01-10 23:08 <diva> so don't use the opensim logo
2015-01-10 23:09 <Velus> why not?
2015-01-10 23:09 <diva> because it's the project's logo
2015-01-10 23:09 <diva> not yours
2015-01-10 23:09 <diva> do a logo for your company
2015-01-10 23:09 <Velus> i have my own logo 
2015-01-10 23:09 <diva> great
2015-01-10 23:09 <Velus> my logo is nothing like opensim's logo 
2015-01-10 23:10 <diva> don't use the project's logo. If you want to credit the project use one of the the "powered by" graphics
2015-01-10 23:10 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OpenSim_Graphics
2015-01-10 23:11 <nebadon> oops
2015-01-10 23:11 <nebadon> meant to paste that into browser heh
2015-01-10 23:12 <Velus> but im wanting to use there logo to show what services we offer, like i am using the cpanel logo and say we use the cpanel software on our hosting servers, im wanting to use the opensim logo to say we use opensim on our opensim servers, and im also wanting to use the logo as an ADVERT for the opensim project, which the ADVERT will go in a coloum for ADVERTS which clearly states these are ADVERTS, im not saying anywhere that opensim endorse us or that we ar
2015-01-10 23:12 <Velus> e affiliated with opensim
2015-01-10 23:13 <diva> the project doesn't need advertising
2015-01-10 23:14 <diva> don't use the project's logo. Use the "Powered by" graphics for credits
2015-01-10 23:23 <Misterblue> in one sense, the project needs LOTS of advertizing (OpenSim EVERYWHERE!!!)
2015-01-10 23:25 <Misterblue> on a different topic... I think the grid service needs generalizing
2015-01-10 23:25 <diva> to what misterblue?
2015-01-10 23:28 <Misterblue> I think a viewer should ask "I'm at X looking in direction Y, who should I talk to to see things"
2015-01-10 23:28 <Misterblue> generalizing the view
2015-01-10 23:28 <Misterblue> if the coordinates are selected correctly.. could be used for virtual worlds and augmented reality
2015-01-10 23:30 <Misterblue> I'd like to make a DNS-like service that turned views into URLs -- who should I talk to to see things when I'm looking in this direction
2015-01-10 23:31 <Misterblue> of course, it is another viewer effort
2015-01-10 23:31 <diva> so a GetRegionsByCameraView or something?
2015-01-10 23:32 <Misterblue> ya... Sirakata used a view and view distance system (don't need as much detail if far away)
2015-01-10 23:32 <Misterblue> most of the voxel systems work by creating a detail tree
2015-01-10 23:33 <Misterblue> we need a central service that return the URL of who to talk to to get a view if looking in a direction
2015-01-10 23:34 <Misterblue> so, say I do a GET from a service saying I'm at X looking in direcion Y... who should I talk to to see what is in this direction
2015-01-10 23:34 <diva> Space Server
2015-01-10 23:34 <Misterblue> in the OS model, the grid service returns the simulators to talk to
2015-01-10 23:34 <diva> which is our grid server. So an extra method would do it, I think
2015-01-10 23:35 <Misterblue> but generalize that
2015-01-10 23:35 <Misterblue> think of a viewer creating a sphere of a view... what if different servers filled in parts of the current spherical view
2015-01-10 23:36 <Misterblue> what are the requests a viewer could make to fill in the current view
2015-01-10 23:37 <Misterblue> thinking that a viewer makes requests to a view service which returns view servers that have things to display
2015-01-10 23:38 <diva> it shouldn't be hard to code up a robust service that sends out simulator addresses given an angle of view
2015-01-10 23:38 <Misterblue> I'm thinking of a viewer that is like an X-server in that it only know how to display 3d items
2015-01-10 23:39 <Misterblue> a 3d version of the XServer (with its frame buffers for 2d windows)
2015-01-10 23:40 <Misterblue> ever read the story "Existance" by Brin?
2015-01-10 23:40 <diva> no
2015-01-10 23:41 <Misterblue> one theme is creating virtual views of the world with glasses...
2015-01-10 23:41 <Misterblue> http://www.evernote.com/l/AIBZJU1TdUNOrI_lGb1Oi3JXqyEukJR6A2o/
2015-01-10 23:42 <Misterblue> if the world could be 'views' into the real world (or virtual world) what would be the central indexing service?
2015-01-10 23:42 <Misterblue> the "i'm at X looking in Y direction" could be in a virtual world or in the real world
2015-01-10 23:43 <Misterblue> AR and VR are the same thing... just different coordinate systems
2015-01-10 23:43 <diva> yes
2015-01-10 23:44 <Misterblue> so, I wonder what is the proper 'grid manager' that serves both
2015-01-10 23:45 <Misterblue> tactical questions are about building on existing VW viewers or creating a new viewer
2015-01-10 23:45 <dahlia> I had brought up the idea of adding spatial query capability to opensim a few times in the past in dev meetings but was pretty much ignored. I have a scene octree in a personal module that I use for within-region spatial queries but it tends to leak memory in 3.x versions of mono. Anyway, octrees make nice spatial query systems.
2015-01-10 23:46 <Misterblue> I think the spacial query is the right direction
2015-01-10 23:46 <dahlia> I also use an octree in my webgl viewer for frustum queries
2015-01-10 23:46 <Misterblue> as to view representation, the visual media world is using http://www.openvdb.org/
2015-01-10 23:47 <Misterblue> which is a heiarchical voxel view
2015-01-10 23:48 <dahlia> an octree?
2015-01-10 23:48 <Misterblue> openvdb models the worlds as a heiarchical tree of spaces
2015-01-10 23:50 <Misterblue> 
ACTION knows of several movies being created using tools based on openvdb

2015-01-10 23:51 <Misterblue> I've wondered how I'd map OpenSim prim objects into a voxel world
2015-01-10 23:51 <dahlia> well a sparse hierarchical tree, not necessarily organized as an octree?
2015-01-10 23:51 <Misterblue> not sure what you mean by 'octree'?
2015-01-10 23:51 <Misterblue> most voxel system have a tree of increasing detail
2015-01-10 23:52 <dahlia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octree
2015-01-10 23:53 <dahlia> octrees divide space in increasing powers of 2
2015-01-10 23:53 <Misterblue> openvdb has trees of specificable detail (not necessarily oct (8))... but roughly the same... one level has memebers of increasing order 2 detail
2015-01-10 23:54 <dahlia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-d_tree
2015-01-10 23:55 <dahlia> anyway octrees are pretty simple and very efficient for spatial queries
2015-01-10 23:55 <Misterblue> all similar... the openvdb implementation has compression and management of the sparse matrics
2015-01-10 23:55 <dahlia> ya a spatial tree on steroids ;)
2015-01-10 23:56 <Misterblue> so, in general, it is a "simple" hiearchical space mangement system... but in implementation there are lots of optimizations for storage/access/etc
2015-01-10 23:58 <dahlia> anyway I think about the only things currently in core that could benefit from efficient spatial queries is raycast or interest culling
2015-01-10 23:58 <Misterblue> but the space representation is not the same as the rendering representation
2015-01-10 23:59 <dahlia> ya could be physical instead
2015-01-10 23:59 <Misterblue> this is even more true in our GPU-centric world
2015-01-11 00:00 <dahlia> it's like... how do you raycast thru a object with alpha? what's the rules?
2015-01-11 00:01 <Misterblue> ya... that's the 'real world' question... if you're impementing atoms, what would the question be?
2015-01-11 00:02 <dahlia> lol
2015-01-11 00:02 <dahlia> 
ACTION isnt all that competent with general relativity :P

2015-01-11 00:18 <dahlia> http://www.museth.org/Ken/Publications_files/Museth_TOG13.pdf
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2015-01-11 05:56 <LiruCookies> Misterblue: The viewer does say thee direction it is looking
2015-01-11 09:49 <osmantis> Bug #5892:04 Addition of Export Asset Flag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5892 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-11 09:54 <osmantis> Bug #5892:04 Addition of Export Asset Flag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5892 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-11 19:41 <osmantis> Bug #5892:04 Addition of Export Asset Flag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5892 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-11 20:13 <Plugh> Are there any known issues with profile picks in 0.8 or git master when using core profiles?
2015-01-11 20:16 <Plugh> hey, nebadon
2015-01-11 20:17 <nebadon> hey
2015-01-11 20:19 <Plugh> a question I asked shortly before you arrived was -> Are there any known issues with profile picks in 0.8 or git master when using core profiles?
2015-01-11 20:22 <nebadon> i am not sure, but I don't think there are any problems with it, would need to test to be sure though
2015-01-11 20:23 <Plugh> ok. I'm being told about issues being experienced with picks in a grid. Don't know the specifics (or don't remember them).
2015-01-11 20:23 <Plugh> oh, if you tell it to create a pick it says it can't.
2015-01-11 20:25 <Plugh> Possible bad migration on the database I suppose. 
2015-01-11 20:28 <Plugh> bbl. Going for a walk
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2015-01-12 04:19 <smxy> Simply copying d2's addon-modules dir to OpenSim's and compiling no longer works. I guess I will have to pick a subset now and hope I don't leave out anything I need.
2015-01-12 04:22 <smxy> Trying to build coreOS+d2_extensions by simply copying the addon-modules dir over, fails now: http://pastebin.com/Mcsdz7DE
2015-01-12 04:35 <smxy> Got it to build by copying the addon-modules dir, as usual, and then removing the OnLookSupport dir (the one causing the problem) from it. Per a previous discussion, where these were stated to not be needed for normal use, I also removed the 02AddinExample LoginService and ProcessorTest dirs.
2015-01-12 05:00 <Ken_S> smxy, mine compiled with no issues leaving the OnLookSupport stuff in.
2015-01-12 05:00 <Ken_S> The example for sure needs to be removed.
2015-01-12 05:07 <smxy> Well, as you can see, it wouldn't build for me. But maybe she was working on it then and I pulled at a bad time.
2015-01-12 05:08 <smxy> She said those other three aren't needed by us in normal use.
2015-01-12 05:09 <Ken_S> I built with the latest pull. 
2015-01-12 05:10 <Ken_S> I always erase all wifi related folders before I copy the new pull into the addon folder before building.
2015-01-12 05:11 <Ken_S> There could be a stray file in there from a previous version
2015-01-12 05:13 <smxy> No, there couldn't, as I always start with an empty directory at the beginning of every build.
2015-01-12 05:16 <smxy> This update seems to have wiped out the Wifi.ini under the robust addins dir though. It's gone and Wifi didn't start as a result.
2015-01-12 05:19 <smxy> Oh, I'm looking in the wrong dir for it. The configs go in a different dir
2015-01-12 05:21 <smxy> So, the config's still there, untouched, but Wifi didn't start, saying: 00:21:19 - [Wifi]: DatabaseService section not found
2015-01-12 05:22 <smxy> I wonder if she added to the config and I didn't merge it in....
2015-01-12 05:23 <smxy> Yup, she did. My bad. :)
2015-01-12 05:25 <smxy> Except that I already have DatabaseService defined elsewhere ...
2015-01-12 05:29 <smxy> Ah, it's more a warning. I do have it defined elsewhere. The reason it didn't start is because she added a new enabling flag that defaults to false (off) now, that I had to merge in and set to true.
2015-01-12 05:29 <smxy> Now it's running.
2015-01-12 05:30 <Ken_S> The wifi.ini changes checked in yesterday made mine stop working too.
2015-01-12 05:30 <Ken_S> It made it look for wifi.ini in a different location than before.
2015-01-12 05:32 <smxy> It used to go in the robust ini but now is under the configs dir
2015-01-12 05:33 <smxy> Been that way for a week or so now.
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2015-01-12 09:33 <osmantis> Bug #7409:04 Commit e2dd15 breaks building the OMC addon module because of missing IUserManagement.cs in ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7409 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-12 11:15 <osmantis> Bug #7410:04 problème MWI opensim et MySQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7410 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-12 11:33 <osmantis> Bug #7410:04 problème MWI opensim et MySQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7410 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-12 15:39 <AllenKerensky> OSGrid update: http://news.osgrid.org/
2015-01-12 16:26 <osmantis> Bug #7408:04 Avatar Names Display Faulty 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-12 18:15 <Dayna> Is there a way to load a default like pin head sim without needing a  .oar file for a current region? 
2015-01-12 18:21 <Melanie_T> you can go into the database to delete all terrains
2015-01-12 18:21 <Melanie_T> the next restart will ive you the dimple
2015-01-12 18:21 <Melanie_T> or, if you want flat
2015-01-12 18:21 <Melanie_T> enter "terrain sill 22" at the console
2015-01-12 18:36 <Dayna> Okay thank you 
2015-01-12 19:03 <smxy> s/sill/fill/
2015-01-12 20:54 <Fearghus> Hi everybody, when making a friend on my opensim i see that i get 2 records in my friends table with the uuid's in both directions. With a hypergrid friend (if keep succesfull) i see a ; seperated list which is the uuid;foreign grid uri;Avatar Name;4th value......what is the 4th value? seems a hex value.
2015-01-12 21:02 <osmantis> Bug #7410:04 problème MWI opensim et MySQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7410 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-01-12 21:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #3975 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-12 21:07 <osmantis> Bug #7409:04 Commit e2dd15 breaks building the OMC addon module because of missing IUserManagement.cs in ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7409 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-12 21:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3975: SUCCESS in 9 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3975/
2015-01-12 21:10 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Make the performance controlling job processing threads introduced in conference code use a generic JobEngine class rather than 4 slightly different copy/pasted versions.
2015-01-12 21:10 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Add the missing deleted and re-added JobEngine class from the previous commit 8e1e8a0
2015-01-12 21:11 <skittles> hi! anyone happen to know if nini expanding from environment variables for the configuration files is broken on head?
2015-01-12 21:12 <justincc> I know there have been changes there recently but I don't know the status - I haven't used it myself
2015-01-12 21:14 <skittles> yeah, i see the changes, but i don't see anything in particular other than the updated library itself that might be causing this.
2015-01-12 21:14 <skittles> Exception: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
2015-01-12 21:14 <skittles>   at Nini.Ini.IniDocument.LoadReader (Nini.Ini.IniReader reader) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
2015-01-12 21:14 <justincc> that's all there is?
2015-01-12 21:15 <skittles> that comes right after...
2015-01-12 21:15 <skittles> 2015-01-12 21:34:25,901 INFO  - OpenSim.ConfigurationLoader [CONFIG]: Reading configuration file /opt/opensim/simulators/test-skel/bin/OpenSim.ini
2015-01-12 21:15 <skittles> 2015-01-12 21:34:25,902 ERROR - OpenSim.Application [APPLICATION]:
2015-01-12 21:15 <skittles> APPLICATION EXCEPTION DETECTED: System.UnhandledExceptionEventArgs
2015-01-12 21:15 <skittles> pretty cryptic.
2015-01-12 21:15 <justincc> maybe BlueWall knows
2015-01-12 21:15 <skittles> if i remove the [Environment] section and hard code the values i use in env vars, it starts up fine.
2015-01-12 21:16 <osmantis> Bug #7409:04 Commit e2dd15 breaks building the OMC addon module because of missing IUserManagement.cs in ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7409 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-12 21:17 <Velus-universe> justincc, in a bit can i speak to you in private
2015-01-12 21:18 <osmantis> Bug #7409:04 Commit e2dd15 breaks building the OMC addon module because of missing IUserManagement.cs in ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7409 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-12 21:23 <osmantis> Bug #7409:04 Commit e2dd15 breaks building the OMC addon module because of missing IUserManagement.cs in ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7409 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-12 21:24 <justincc> Velus-universe: sorry, not really, I'm very busy
2015-01-12 21:26 <justincc> skittles: has the Nin.dll library been updated?  according to git log not since Nov 2011
2015-01-12 21:26 <justincc> Nini.dll
2015-01-12 21:26 <skittles> ah, thought it had. guess not.
2015-01-12 21:26 <skittles> i'll do more digging.
2015-01-12 21:31 <osmantis> Bug #7409:04 Commit e2dd15 breaks building the OMC addon module because of missing IUserManagement.cs in ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7409 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-12 21:36 <skittles> oh, it was mono.addins that got updated. i got confused. :)
2015-01-12 22:10 <BlueWall> skittles, the Environment things are working here OK.
2015-01-12 22:10 <skittles> hmmm, strange! thank you for letting me know.
2015-01-12 22:10 <BlueWall> are you running the latest?
2015-01-12 22:10 <skittles> yeah.
2015-01-12 22:11 <BlueWall> ok, I'm a few days behind. I think I have everything up to the Display Name work.
2015-01-12 22:11 <skittles> well, minus what justincc pushed today.
2015-01-12 22:11 <BlueWall> I'll update here and check it out.
2015-01-12 22:25 <skittles> @BlueWall it works. someone on my team touched something they shouldn't have. -_-
2015-01-12 22:25 <BlueWall> skittles, it is working here on latest
2015-01-12 22:25 <BlueWall> ohhh, lol
2015-01-12 22:25 <skittles> yeah, it's working here now.
2015-01-12 22:25 <BlueWall> pilot error \o/
2015-01-12 22:26 <BlueWall> Ok, thanks. Good to know :)
2015-01-12 22:27 <skittles> need to turn on rcs on the servers here. then i know when someone's been mucking with the shell script that sets the env vars. :P
2015-01-12 22:27 <skittles> weird it didn't break on the old version though!
2015-01-12 22:28 <BlueWall> hmm
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2015-01-12 23:28 <justinccAfk> hey BlueWall, still around?
2015-01-12 23:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #3976 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-12 23:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3976: SUCCESS in 4 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3976/
2015-01-12 23:45 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Remove the locking in PGSQLUserProfilesData which was buggy (Lock object wasn't set!) and is unnecessary.
2015-01-12 23:46 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-13 00:26 <osmantis> Bug #7183:04 Problems loading OARs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7183 ): has been CLOSED
2015-01-13 01:39 <osmantis> Bug #7409:04 Commit e2dd15 breaks building the OMC addon module because of missing IUserManagement.cs in ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7409 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-01-13 12:06 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-13 13:12 <osmantis> Bug #7409:04 Commit e2dd15 breaks building the OMC addon module because of missing IUserManagement.cs in ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7409 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-13 17:04 <osmantis> Bug #7409:04 Commit e2dd15 breaks building the OMC addon module because of missing IUserManagement.cs in ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7409 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-13 17:04 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-13 17:26 <osmantis> Bug #7409:04 Commit e2dd15 breaks building the OMC addon module because of missing IUserManagement.cs in ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7409 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-13 17:36 <H-H-H> any kind of meeting today ?
2015-01-13 17:48 <nebadon_laptop> yea H-H-H
2015-01-13 17:48 <nebadon_laptop> 2pm EST
2015-01-13 18:49 <osmantis> Bug #7408:04 Avatar Names Display Faulty 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-13 18:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #3977 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-13 18:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3977: SUCCESS in 9 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3977/
2015-01-13 18:56 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: correct two exception messages in PGSQLUserProfilesData where I copy/pasted AgentInterestsUpdate twice
2015-01-13 18:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #3978 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-13 19:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3978: SUCCESS in 4 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3978/
2015-01-13 19:01 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Remove quotes from field selection in PGSQLUserProfilesData.GetAvatarPicks()
2015-01-13 19:01 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Remove quotes from column selection in PGSQLUserProfilesData.GetAvatarNotes()
2015-01-13 19:01 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Remove quotes from column selection in PGSQLUserProfilesData.UpdateAvatarProperties()
2015-01-13 19:01 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Remove quotes from column selection in PGSQLUserProfilesData.UpdateAvatarInterests()
2015-01-13 19:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #3979 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-13 19:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3979: SUCCESS in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3979/
2015-01-13 19:05 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Remove quotes from column selection in PGSQLUserProfilesData.GetUserImageAssets()
2015-01-13 19:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #3980 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-13 19:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3980: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3980/
2015-01-13 19:27 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Remove misstaken quotes from column selection in PGSQLUserProfilesData.GetUserAppData()
2015-01-13 19:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #3981 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-13 19:31 <osmantis> Bug #7409:04 Commit e2dd15 breaks building the OMC addon module because of missing IUserManagement.cs in ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7409 ): Eine Notiz wurde zu diesem Eintrag hinzugefügt.
2015-01-13 19:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3981: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3981/
2015-01-13 19:33 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix bug where gathering the clientstack..OutgoingPacketsQueuedCount stat would fail with a casting exception for scenes with NPCs
2015-01-13 19:33 <osmantis> Bug #7409:04 Commit e2dd15 breaks building the OMC addon module because of missing IUserManagement.cs in ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7409 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-13 19:34 <LiruCookies> Why are there two bots in here setup to do the same thing? (commit spew)
2015-01-13 19:35 <justincc> I don't know, but cia will show commits to all branches, whereas osjenkins only builds master normally
2015-01-13 19:41 <osmantis> Bug #7409:04 Commit e2dd15 breaks building the OMC addon module because of missing IUserManagement.cs in ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7409 ): Eine Notiz wurde zu diesem Eintrag hinzugefügt.
2015-01-13 19:42 <Melanie_T> osjenkins was instrumented to echo the commit message when cia.vc went down
2015-01-13 19:42 <Melanie_T> since then i built a cia replacement but no one removed the output from jenkins
2015-01-13 19:42 <Melanie_T> and i don't know where it was added because I didn't do it
2015-01-13 19:43 <Melanie_T> before i mess it up, i'd rather leave it
2015-01-13 19:44 <justincc> osjenkins also says whether build and tests passed, which is valuable
2015-01-13 19:44 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-01-13 19:44 <Melanie_T> it used to give a success or fail result with a commit number
2015-01-13 19:44 <Melanie_T> no long text
2015-01-13 19:44 <Melanie_T> the long text was added when cia failed and went offline
2015-01-13 19:44 <Melanie_T> it could and probably should be taken out again
2015-01-13 19:50 <osmantis> Bug #7409:04 Commit e2dd15 breaks building the OMC addon module because of missing IUserManagement.cs in ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7409 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-13 20:04 <osmantis> Bug #7409:04 Commit e2dd15 breaks building the OMC addon module because of missing IUserManagement.cs in ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7409 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-13 20:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #3982 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-13 20:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3982: SUCCESS in 4 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3982/
2015-01-13 20:20 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Remove extraneous colon when setting TagId parameter in PGSQLUserProfilesData.GetUserAppData()
2015-01-13 20:26 <justincc> BlueWall: ping
2015-01-13 20:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #3983 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-13 20:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3983: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3983/
2015-01-13 20:34 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Remove quotes from column selection in PGSQLUserProfilesData.SetUserAppData()
2015-01-13 20:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #3984 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-13 20:37 <osmantis> Bug #7156:04 llPassTouches(TRUE) not restored to child prim if script removed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7156 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-13 20:37 <osmantis> Bug #7409:04 Commit e2dd15 breaks building the OMC addon module because of missing IUserManagement.cs in ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7409 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-13 20:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3984: SUCCESS in 4 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3984/
2015-01-13 20:39 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix MySQL and PGSQL *UserProfilesData.GetUserAppData() calls to correctly set the UserId parameter instead of the non-existing Id parameter when writing a record because none yet exists.
2015-01-13 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-13 20:43 <AliciaRaven> LiruCookies, i tried singularity alpha today, mini map looks great!
2015-01-13 20:44 <smxy> There's a new alpha out? For the Mac too?
2015-01-13 20:44 <AliciaRaven> dont know about mac
2015-01-13 20:45 <AliciaRaven> i only tried because i was wondering how liru had got on fixing the minimap for var regions
2015-01-13 20:46 <smxy> There is one for the Mac. I'll have to give it a try. :)
2015-01-13 20:47 <AliciaRaven> var region textures are fixed aswell as the parcel lines on mini map, just firestorm now thats still messed up for var regions i think
2015-01-13 20:49 <smxy> The mini-map issue was no land unless you showed the world map textures, right?
2015-01-13 20:50 <AliciaRaven> for the main map u had to click the lower 256*256 corner first or the region shows as offline. thats aswell as the mini map problems
2015-01-13 20:50 <AliciaRaven> singularity fixed the main map along time ago
2015-01-13 20:51 <smxy> Right, just was trying the Sing. I had before te latest and wanted to know what I'm looking for that's different. :)
2015-01-13 20:52 <AliciaRaven> with sing the only map that was broke was the mini map
2015-01-13 20:52 <smxy> Yeah, no I see the land in the mini-map. Nice. :)
2015-01-13 20:52 <AliciaRaven> by default, show map texture and parcel lines on the mini map is disabled, maybe thats why its been broken so long lol
2015-01-13 20:52 <smxy> Wish Firestorm would fix it. They've known about it for a LONG time now.
2015-01-13 20:53 <AliciaRaven> yes, i nudged the bug report yesterday
2015-01-13 20:54 <smxy> Thanks.
2015-01-13 21:05 <LiruCookies> smxy: There's always new alphas for all target platforms, unless something goes terribly wrong.
2015-01-13 21:07 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-13 21:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #3985 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-13 21:18 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-13 21:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3985: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3985/
2015-01-13 21:20 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Change PGSQLUserProfilesData.UpdateUserPreferences() to directly pass the UUID to the uuid parameter instead of its ToString()
2015-01-13 21:23 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-13 21:24 <AliciaRaven> eew netsplits
2015-01-13 21:26 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-13 21:29 <smxy> LiruCookies: That mini-map looks really nice now. :)
2015-01-13 21:29 <LiruCookies> smxy: Doesn't it?!
2015-01-13 21:29 <smxy> Yes. Thanks!
2015-01-13 21:30 <LiruCookies> I love how it looks now, so pretty.
2015-01-13 21:30 <LiruCookies> The fix is more optimized in the latest alpha, though, not the first one it was in.
2015-01-13 21:30 <LiruCookies> The matrix implementation was subpar.
2015-01-13 21:31 <smxy> I'm not going to complain about you being a possible perfectionist. :)
2015-01-13 21:34 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-13 21:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #3986 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-13 21:42 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-13 21:44 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-13 21:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3986: SUCCESS in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3986/
2015-01-13 21:46 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix PGSQLUserProfilesData.UpdateUserPreferences() imviaemail and visible casts.  These should be left as bools, not converted to strings.
2015-01-13 21:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #3987 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-13 21:52 <AliciaRaven> LiruCookies, smxy  http://jira.phoenixviewer.com/browse/FIRE-13902
2015-01-13 21:52 <AliciaRaven> did they get the optimized version?
2015-01-13 21:55 <justincc> 
ACTION sighs

2015-01-13 21:56 <AliciaRaven> pgsql fix not working?
2015-01-13 21:57 <justincc> I made a stupid assumption that some sql on pgsql worked as it does on mysql
2015-01-13 21:57 <justincc> and just learnt about quoting and the evils of uppercase column names in pgsql
2015-01-13 21:57 <justincc> ho hum
2015-01-13 21:58 <AliciaRaven> ah, i havent used it but i hear alot of people saying its picky about syntax
2015-01-13 22:01 <LiruCookies> AliciaRaven: Not sure
2015-01-13 22:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3988: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3988/
2015-01-13 22:01 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Revert "Remove misstaken quotes from column selection in PGSQLUserProfilesData.GetUserAppData()"
2015-01-13 22:01 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Revert "Remove quotes from column selection in PGSQLUserProfilesData.GetUserImageAssets()"
2015-01-13 22:01 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Revert "Remove quotes from column selection in PGSQLUserProfilesData.UpdateAvatarInterests()"
2015-01-13 22:01 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Revert "Remove quotes from column selection in PGSQLUserProfilesData.UpdateAvatarProperties()"
2015-01-13 22:01 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-13 22:03 <AliciaRaven> k, thanks for fixing it LiruCookies
2015-01-13 22:04 <AliciaRaven> thats been one of the most annoying viewer bugs for awhile lol
2015-01-13 22:06 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-13 22:19 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-13 22:22 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-13 22:25 <BlueWall> pong justincc
2015-01-13 22:32 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-01-13 23:52 <justincc> BlueWall: what is GetUserAppData used for?
2015-01-13 23:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #3989 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-01-13 23:57 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix PGSQLUserProfilesData.GetUserPreferences error when no usersettings yet exist by inserting missing ID parameter.
2015-01-14 00:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #3990 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-01-14 00:06 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Use ToString() on uuids returned in PGSQLUserProfilesData.GetUserImageAssets().  These are Guids rather than strings so casting to string generates a casting exception.
2015-01-14 00:08 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-14 01:17 <BlueWall> justincc, that is just a generic place to store related application data
2015-01-14 01:18 <justincc> ok, thanks.  Looks like there was a bug there in both mysql and pgsql that I addressed
2015-01-14 01:18 <BlueWall> thanks
2015-01-14 01:18 <justincc> btw, I finally broke and setup postgresql rather than blinding hacking then having to revert further
2015-01-14 01:19 <justincc> blindly
2015-01-14 01:19 <BlueWall> I started doing that, but I lost my server and don't have much space/resource to host it right now.
2015-01-14 01:19 <diva> justincc my student may have found a fix for the inventory downaloding being stuck. I'll tell you more later
2015-01-14 01:20 <justincc> great!
2015-01-14 01:20 <BlueWall> +++++
2015-01-14 01:20 <smxy> Sweet.
2015-01-14 01:20 <justincc> diva: btw, I was hoping to start a release cycle soon.  Would that cause any issues with your work on stuff like display names?
2015-01-14 01:21 <diva> no that's fine. I'm done with display names
2015-01-14 01:21 <diva> +1 on release, even though I will be traveling for the next week
2015-01-14 01:21 <justincc> you saw http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7408 ?
2015-01-14 01:22 <justincc> looking myself now, it might be an NPC specific issue
2015-01-14 01:23 <diva> possibly
2015-01-14 01:24 <diva> sorry, I don't have alot of time to talk, I'm running against a proposal deadline in a few hours...
2015-01-14 01:24 <justincc> no worries, I'm logging off in 10 mins anyway
2015-01-14 01:24 <justincc> I'll probably look into that bug
2015-01-14 05:06 <misterblue> sheesh... all the changes to the INI files over the last week require completely redoing ones configuration
2015-01-14 05:06 <misterblue> I'm going to have to go to one of those configuration replacement tools... the default configuration is now even more of a mess
2015-01-14 05:07 <diva> what changed?
2015-01-14 05:08 <misterblue> the [Const] construction.... placed at the beginning of OpenSim.ini so you have to edit that file
2015-01-14 05:08 <misterblue> there is no good way to overlay the default files
2015-01-14 05:09 <diva> how come? a regular overwrite won't do?
2015-01-14 05:09 <misterblue> it would be nice if one could add a personal configuration 'on top' of the default configuration
2015-01-14 05:09 <diva> that's what I do in the diva distro. I hope that still holds!
2015-01-14 05:10 <misterblue> so you use OpenSim.ini from the distribution and overlay it with your changes (with a later config file)?
2015-01-14 05:10 <diva> sorta yes. I take OpenSim.ini, have an overwrite with my own preferences DivaPreferences.ini) and then have a 3rd file for people's own configs (MyWorld.ini)
2015-01-14 05:11 <misterblue> do you use the config-include files?
2015-01-14 05:12 <misterblue> they are hard to override since they are include files
2015-01-14 05:12 <diva> no, I don't use them, although both DivaPreferences and MyWorld are placed there
2015-01-14 05:12 <diva> in the Include-architecture sretting I say include DivaPrefeerences
2015-01-14 05:13 <diva> and I take it from thre
2015-01-14 05:13 <misterblue> ya... can't use config-include as distributed.... at least not in an overlay config pattern
2015-01-14 05:13 <misterblue> you are one of the few people on the planet who understand all that linkage stuff in the config-include directory :)
2015-01-14 05:14 <misterblue> I kinda have to just use it as I don't have a clue about what those zillions of parameters are doing
2015-01-14 05:14 <diva> heh
2015-01-14 05:16 <misterblue> I don't think the [Const] parameters and such are available in Regions.ini
2015-01-14 05:18 <diva> probably not
2015-01-14 05:29 <misterblue> In StandaloneCommon.ini, HGAssetService|HomeURL is commented out... that causes an exception at startup... uncommenting it makes for no exceptions
2015-01-14 05:29 <nebadon> yea I have same exact problem misterblue
2015-01-14 05:29 <nebadon> im kind of stuck not updating, its a lot of work to flip over
2015-01-14 05:29 <nebadon> im not against it though
2015-01-14 05:30 <misterblue> ya... have to revisit config files and massage them (yet again)
2015-01-14 05:30 <nebadon> growing pains :)
2015-01-14 05:33 <diva> wow this is scary
2015-01-14 05:34 <diva> I just ran into a whole file that I wrote back in 2010 and that I had completely forgotten about...
2015-01-14 05:35 <misterblue> "who the heck wrote this thing!!!... oh wait, it was me?!??!"
2015-01-14 05:35 <smxy> It's probably not Alzheimer's. :)
2015-01-14 05:35 <diva> hehe, omg, this was really scary!
2015-01-14 05:35 <diva> it's actually a great thing!
2015-01-14 05:35 <diva> I thought I need to write it
2015-01-14 05:35 <diva> then I followed the trail, and found it already there
2015-01-14 05:36 <diva> it's a LibraryService
2015-01-14 05:36 <diva> it looks like we can actually serve the library already from a robust server
2015-01-14 05:36 <diva> I had completley forgottten about it
2015-01-14 05:36 <smxy> Now that would be useful.
2015-01-14 05:37 <misterblue> "Visitor provided malformed service address"... now there is a new login error
2015-01-14 05:39 <misterblue> ah...another misformed config creating: "Unable to parse GatekeeperURL"
2015-01-14 05:40 <misterblue> the standalone configuration wasn't totally debugged
2015-01-14 05:47 <misterblue> wonder which of the many GatekeeperURL is could be
2015-01-14 05:50 <smxy> I tried switching over to the new estate through robust thing and must have something wrong, as it says all my regions aren't in an estate and wants me to make one.
2015-01-14 05:53 <misterblue> seem that both Hypergrid|HomeURI and Hypergrid|GatekeeperURI must be uncommented in StandaloneCommon.ini when running HG standalone
2015-01-14 05:57 <diva> smxy did you move the database table?
2015-01-14 06:02 <smxy> no
2015-01-14 06:02 <smxy> was I supposed to?
2015-01-14 06:02 <smxy> I saw two things to uncomment
2015-01-14 06:03 <diva> if you want your robust-bound estate service to use your existing data...
2015-01-14 06:03 <diva> otherwise, it starts with a clean slate estata table
2015-01-14 06:03 <smxy> It's all in one db, so should be there already.
2015-01-14 06:04 <diva> you were sending the estate data of the regions to the central robust db?
2015-01-14 06:04 <smxy> robust, regions and estates all used a common db
2015-01-14 06:05 <smxy> use*
2015-01-14 06:05 <diva> ok, then it should find it
2015-01-14 06:05 <smxy> That's what I thought, but it didn't.
2015-01-14 06:05 <smxy> I'll keep checking.
2015-01-14 06:10 <smxy> Yes, the estate data is in the table. I have something else going on. I'll figure it out.
2015-01-14 06:18 <misterblue> Const|PrivatePort is only used if you configure Robust?
2015-01-14 06:19 <misterblue> humm... looks to also be used in Grid mode
2015-01-14 06:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #3991 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-14 06:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3991: SUCCESS in 4 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3991/
2015-01-14 06:26 <osjenkins> * diva: Renamed these 2 files, because their names are misleading. This is no longer called WebFetchInventoryDescendents, and we no longer use that cap; the viewers use FetchInvventoryDescendents2.
2015-01-14 06:26 <osjenkins> * diva: Renamed the folder too.
2015-01-14 06:26 <osjenkins> * diva: And finally renamed the classes themselves.
2015-01-14 06:41 <smxy> Got it working. I'd moved my services to another server and had neglected to open the ports in the firewall.
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2015-01-14 08:45 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-14 08:52 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-14 08:59 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-14 09:27 <osmantis> Bug #7411:04 [USER MANAGEMENT MODULE]: Unable to parse home URL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7411 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-14 14:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #3992 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-14 14:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3992: SUCCESS in 9 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3992/
2015-01-14 14:43 <osjenkins> diva: Also deleted the option of setting Cap_WebFetchInventoryDescendents from OpenSim.ini.example
2015-01-14 16:20 <osmantis> Bug #7408:04 Avatar Names Display Faulty 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-14 16:47 <diva> can anyone help me test something in head
2015-01-14 16:47 <diva> related to baked textures
2015-01-14 16:51 <osmantis> Bug #7412:04 JsonCreateStore causes exception 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7412 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-14 17:02 <diva> On my test sim here, baked textures upload after a cache clear is horribly slow! It takes like 10 minutes before they show up. Is this normal?
2015-01-14 17:09 <diva> ok, 5 minutes. still. this is horribly slow. wth? is this related to the viewer wanting to do server-side baking or something?
2015-01-14 17:10 <diva> when the cache is not empty, it's much faster, as expected
2015-01-14 17:10 <diva> but 5 minutes on the first login is infinity
2015-01-14 17:38 <smxy> You're talking about a viewer cache clear, right? If so, Singularity or Firestorm? In-viewer cache clear or manual clearing of *everything* from outside the viewer?
2015-01-14 17:39 <diva> viewer cahce, yes.
2015-01-14 17:39 <diva> I tested with Singu
2015-01-14 17:40 <diva> in-viewer cache clear
2015-01-14 17:40 <smxy> Okay. 'm updating now. If that goes okay, I'll try it.
2015-01-14 17:40 <diva> it may be that the scene I was login in is too heavy, but still... 5 minutes
2015-01-14 17:40 <smxy> My scene will be empty. That may likely affect it.
2015-01-14 17:42 <diva> probably
2015-01-14 17:42 <smxy> Do you mean you are a cloud for 5 minutes?
2015-01-14 17:44 <diva> no cloud, but grey
2015-01-14 17:47 <smxy> I looked fine. Sorry, I think my test grid is too light for this test, and I'm about 6 weeks behind on my production grid.
2015-01-14 17:48 <smxy> I might update that tonight. If I do, I'll try again.
2015-01-14 17:53 <nebadon> diva that might be beacuse of setting we use at Encitra
2015-01-14 17:53 <nebadon> was this on encitra grid?
2015-01-14 17:54 <diva> no
2015-01-14 17:54 <nebadon> ah ok
2015-01-14 17:54 <diva> this is my local test sim here on my desktop
2015-01-14 17:54 <diva> but was oaded with an oar from encitra, so lots of mesh
2015-01-14 17:55 <nebadon> the UpdatePrioritizationScheme = FrontBack
2015-01-14 17:55 <nebadon> can make avatar take longer to load
2015-01-14 17:55 <nebadon> but the scene loads much faster
2015-01-14 17:55 <nebadon> especially under load
2015-01-14 17:56 <nebadon> mesh does seem particularly harsh to in certain HG situations
2015-01-14 17:56 <diva> this was not hg
2015-01-14 17:56 <diva> this was straight login
2015-01-14 17:56 <nebadon> which encitra oar?
2015-01-14 17:57 <diva> some San Jose piece
2015-01-14 17:57 <nebadon> ok is in the main area part with the mall where the covered parking is?
2015-01-14 17:57 <diva> or not, I don't remember
2015-01-14 17:57 <nebadon> if so its probably the linksets
2015-01-14 17:57 <nebadon> some of those buildings are 2000+ prim linksets
2015-01-14 17:57 <nebadon> depending on how old the oar is of course
2015-01-14 17:58 <nebadon> those can also be particularly harsh if not cached
2015-01-14 17:58 <zadarkAlt1> Running dev/master, login with cache cleared, avatar textured appeared 1 minute after avatar appeared. I do have HTTP Textures and Inventory disabled in the viewer.
2015-01-14 17:58 <nebadon> i need to smack the students around a bit for making those
2015-01-14 17:59 <nebadon> and then smack myself for telling them to make sure their buildings are linked up
2015-01-14 17:59 <nebadon> lol
2015-01-14 19:00 <Velusuni> can i ask a ?, how come the database is all well mixed up i,e `description`  `access_time` `PrincipalID` they all seem to take different forms some in underscore notation, CamelCase Uper and lower, its ashame you dont conform to ORM format? 
2015-01-14 19:08 <AllenKerensky> just a guess but its because many different people have contributed over the years as it grew rather than all being planned in advance?
2015-01-14 19:09 <Velusuni> yeah maybe lol, maybe there should be a general and follow some rules i.e ORM format.
2015-01-14 19:17 <AllenKerensky> well.. you could always make a patch? *evilgrin*
2015-01-14 19:38 <Velusuni> yeah if i knew c# i would lol 
2015-01-14 19:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #3993 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-14 19:47 <osmantis> Bug #7342:04 XBakes - [BASE HTTP SERVER]: Exceptions with process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7342 ): has been REOPENED.
2015-01-14 19:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3993: SUCCESS in 4 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3993/
2015-01-14 19:51 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Stop simulators attempting to contact registered but offline regions (RegionFlags.Persistent but not RegioNFlags.RegionOnline) on startup and when an avatar completes a teleport.
2015-01-14 19:54 <osmantis> Bug #7342:04 XBakes - [BASE HTTP SERVER]: Exceptions with process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7342 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-14 19:54 <osmantis> Bug #7342:04 XBakes - [BASE HTTP SERVER]: Exceptions with process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7342 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-14 20:46 <Ken_S> I just updated and getting tons of "unable to load plugin" errors with Robust startup.
2015-01-14 20:47 <Ken_S> Any ideas?
2015-01-14 20:47 <justincc> updated from what rev?
2015-01-14 20:48 <Ken_S> todays
2015-01-14 20:49 <Ken_S> Last update from yesterday was fine
2015-01-14 20:49 <justincc> pastebin pls
2015-01-14 20:49 <Ken_S> But I noticed it updated MUCH more than just what I saw in your last commit.
2015-01-14 20:49 <Ken_S> That seemed strange
2015-01-14 20:49 <justincc> I presume you did a clean rebuild?
2015-01-14 20:50 <Ken_S> Let me pull into a fresh folder and try again.
2015-01-14 20:50 <Ken_S> I did it as always
2015-01-14 20:50 <Ken_S> I dont want you to spend time looking at it until I've tried everything first,
2015-01-14 20:50 <Ken_S> so I'll let you know shortly
2015-01-14 20:51 <justincc> ok thanks.  I might actually be logging off fairly soon though
2015-01-14 20:51 <justincc> will be back tomorrow
2015-01-14 20:53 <Ken_S> OK np, I'll revert to yesterdays if it continues
2015-01-14 20:56 <smxy> I'm running 2fd252f - r25687, from lunch time, and I had no problems with updating to it from 3 day old code.
2015-01-14 21:00 <Ken_S> justincc, it is fine now.
2015-01-14 21:00 <zadark_afk> Test rigs here updated a short time ago to beef41f, linux and windows OS, no known issues.
2015-01-14 21:00 <Ken_S> Something went wrong in the git sync
2015-01-14 21:00 <justincc> Ken_S: ok
2015-01-14 21:01 <Ken_S> justincc, and thanks for that last commit.
2015-01-14 21:01 <Ken_S> That was getting bothersome seeing all that in the console and log file lol
2015-01-14 21:01 <justincc> you have regios that are set as persistent but offline?
2015-01-14 21:02 <justincc> BlueWall: do you know why things like imviaemail in pgsql are bytea and not bool?
2015-01-14 21:02 <Ken_S> I forcefully exit all consoles, and then do a rolling restart.
2015-01-14 21:02 <Ken_S> So yes.
2015-01-14 21:03 <justincc> you just kill the opensim process?
2015-01-14 21:04 <Ken_S> Yes, got in habit of that in osg, or else someone will grab your spot.
2015-01-14 21:04 <justincc> it shoudl be possible to set the Persistent flag to stop that happening if you have access to the grid servicwe
2015-01-14 21:05 <Ken_S> My rolling restarts take as long at 20 minutes, and that was enough time for someone to grab position on map.
2015-01-14 21:05 <justincc> because this won't stop that - ther egions will still be shown as RegionOnline if the simulator is just killed
2015-01-14 21:05 <Ken_S> Its not an issue on my own grid. Was only an issue in osg.
2015-01-14 21:06 <justincc> killing a simulator also means that no final object persistence willk be done, etc. :)
2015-01-14 21:06 <justincc> I was shocked when I found out nebadon commonly does this...
2015-01-14 21:06 <Ken_S> I was always told thats how you need to stop your sims if
2015-01-14 21:06 <Ken_S> you dont want someone to grab your map positi0on during your sim restart
2015-01-14 21:07 <justincc> Setting Persistent would be far better, though that does require service access
2015-01-14 21:07 <justincc> either console access or db if one wants to be messy
2015-01-14 21:08 <Ken_S> I am doing the entire shutdown, update, and restart using batch files.
2015-01-14 21:08 <justincc> windows right?
2015-01-14 21:08 <Ken_S> yes
2015-01-14 21:09 <Ken_S> I have 200+ sims and no manager, so batch files made sense.
2015-01-14 21:10 <Ken_S> It has been working well for a long time too.
2015-01-14 21:10 <justincc> yes, just makes it difficult to do a clean shutdown
2015-01-14 21:10 <osmantis> Bug #7342:04 XBakes - [BASE HTTP SERVER]: Exceptions with process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7342 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-14 21:10 <Ken_S> Yes, I need something that will let me send dos commands to the windows
2015-01-14 21:10 <justincc> I've got punlished code which stuffs commands in a screen, for isntance, but that only really works on linux
2015-01-14 21:10 <Ken_S> that can be called from the batch file
2015-01-14 21:10 <justincc> ideally, one might use the XmlRpc shutdown method instead
2015-01-14 21:13 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-14 21:16 <justincc> ok, time for me to break.  Goodnight folks
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2015-01-14 21:23 <osmantis> Bug #7413:04 [LLUDPSERVER]: Received a CompleteAgentMovement ... but no client exists yet.  Waiting. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7413 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-14 21:24 <osmantis> Bug #7413:04 [LLUDPSERVER]: Received a CompleteAgentMovement ... but no client exists yet.  Waiting. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7413 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-01-14 21:28 <osmantis> Bug #7414:04 UserProfileModule Error getting profile ... No Presence - foreign friend 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7414 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-14 21:36 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-14 21:42 <smxy> If you're on Linux, and using "screen", you can script OpenSim commands using screen's "stuff" command. I did that for years. Recently, I've switched to tmux, which I think is superior. You can script OpenSim commands using its "send-keys" command, which is easier to work with than the "stuff" command, IMNSHO. As for doing any of this on Windows, I don't know, but would love to, so I can 
2015-01-14 21:42 <smxy> add it to my bag of ticks. You certainly could, under Cygwin, I imagine, but no idea about doing it with native tools.
2015-01-14 21:43 <smxy> tricks*, lol. I don't have a bag full of ticks. :P
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2015-01-15 11:38 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-01-15 17:32 <osmantis> Bug #7412:04 JsonCreateStore causes exception 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7412 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-15 17:41 <osmantis> Bug #7415:04 Var region can not load .raw (LLRAW) terrains bigger than 256x256 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7415 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2015-01-15 20:41 <osmantis> Bug #7412:04 JsonCreateStore causes exception 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7412 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-15 20:54 <osmantis> Bug #7412:04 JsonCreateStore causes exception 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7412 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-15 20:55 <osmantis> Bug #7412:04 JsonCreateStore causes exception 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7412 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-01-15 22:50 <Velus> its ok im gonna look at the docs
2015-01-15 23:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #3994 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-15 23:58 <osmantis> Bug #6888:04 llLookAt 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6888 ): has been set as DUPLICATE OF issue 0005488.
2015-01-15 23:58 <osmantis> Bug #5488:04 llLookAt not working on diva-r15402-b 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5488 ): The issue 0006888 has been set as DUPLICATE OF the following issue.
2015-01-16 00:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3994: ABORTED in 32 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3994/
2015-01-16 00:19 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix a recent regression with HG asset posting to other grids where the assets were no longer being posted.
2015-01-16 00:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #3995 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: ABORTED -- last SUCCESS #3993 1 day 4 hr ago)
2015-01-16 00:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3995: SUCCESS in 4 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3995/
2015-01-16 00:30 <smxy> justincc: Do you think you'll make more commits tonight? I'm planning to update and am trying to decide when.
2015-01-16 00:30 <justincc> probably, but minor ones
2015-01-16 00:31 <smxy> okay, thanks.
2015-01-16 00:33 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-16 00:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #3996 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-16 00:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3996: SUCCESS in 4 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3996/
2015-01-16 00:59 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Suppress the log messages when user profiles data is requested for an NPC or an HG user with no set server URI to avoid log spam.
2015-01-16 01:00 <osmantis> Bug #7411:04 [USER MANAGEMENT MODULE]: Unable to parse home URL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7411 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-16 01:44 <osmantis> Bug #7408:04 Avatar Names Display Faulty 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-16 09:28 <osmantis> Bug #7414:04 UserProfileModule Error getting profile ... No Presence - foreign friend 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7414 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-16 09:59 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-16 15:22 <osmantis> Bug #7408:04 Avatar Names Display Faulty 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-16 16:55 <Velus> m hey hey all
2015-01-16 19:04 <lkalif_> hello friends
2015-01-16 19:06 <Velus> hello lkalif_ 
2015-01-16 19:07 <smxy> hey lkalif_ - Happy New Year and all. :)
2015-01-16 19:10 <lkalif_> thanks
2015-01-16 19:10 <smxy> Nice to see you here. :)
2015-01-16 19:12 <lkalif_> anyone can recommend a windows irc client
2015-01-16 19:13 <smxy> I have used mIRC for years and years. 
2015-01-16 19:14 <paulieflomar> I'm on MIRC, also.
2015-01-16 19:14 <lkalif_> mirc was annoying shareware, or is it completely free
2015-01-16 19:16 <smxy> It's shareware, with a reminder at startup. I like it enough that I paid for it ages ago.
2015-01-16 19:19 <lkalif_> anyone knows diva's github acct?
2015-01-16 19:23 <Wanderer_42> Hi lkalif :-)  I suggest KVIrc
2015-01-16 19:25 <lkalif_> is that windows?
2015-01-16 19:26 <Wanderer_42> yes. I think, its one of the best
2015-01-16 19:26 <Wanderer_42> http://www.kvirc.net/
2015-01-16 19:27 <Wanderer_42> better is: http://www.kvirc.net/?id=&lang=en
2015-01-16 19:39 <Velus> hexchat lkalif_ 
2015-01-16 19:42 <Plugh> lkalif_: I use Pidgin for IRC as well as other IM systems.
2015-01-16 19:43 <Velus> isnt pidgin only linux Plugh ?
2015-01-16 19:44 <Ken_S> lkalif_, welcome back!
2015-01-16 19:44 <Plugh> no, it is a cross-platform program.
2015-01-16 19:44 <Ken_S> We have all been really worried about you.
2015-01-16 19:44 <Ken_S> How are you doing?
2015-01-16 19:44 <Velus> im doing good and you?
2015-01-16 19:48 <smxy> I think he was asking lkalif_, Velus. :)
2015-01-16 19:48 <smxy> But we're glad you're good. :)
2015-01-16 19:48 <Velus> i knew he was i just thought i would answer
2015-01-16 19:49 <Ken_S> Velus, you were out and down recently too weren't you?
2015-01-16 19:49 <Velus> yes still im 
2015-01-16 19:49 <Velus> am 
2015-01-16 19:49 <Velus> im still in hsoptial been there since november 
2015-01-16 19:50 <Ken_S> Oh no, that's not fun at all. No rest there.
2015-01-16 19:50 <smxy> Oh, I didn't know about that. Definitely glad to hear you're well, then. :)
2015-01-16 19:52 <Velus> yeah its fine but i may still be in for about another 4 weeks
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2015-01-16 21:47 <osmantis> Bug #7408:04 Avatar Names Display Faulty 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7408 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-01-16 23:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #3997 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-16 23:50 <osmantis> Bug #7319:04 XEngine Errors, Can't access an unloaded application domain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7319 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-16 23:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3997: SUCCESS in 9 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3997/
2015-01-16 23:52 <osjenkins> jjustincc: For scripts in attachments, don't save .state files apart from the initial one as these are ignored since .state is saved in the attachment's asset.
2015-01-16 23:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #3998 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-17 00:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3998: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3998/
2015-01-17 00:00 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Prevent a race condition between the script engine backup thread and script removal by locking on the script's EventQueue and only proceeding if it's flagged as still running.
2015-01-17 00:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #3999 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-17 00:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #3999: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/3999/
2015-01-17 00:04 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Add clearqueue code adjustment that should have been in previous commit faaf47a
2015-01-17 00:04 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: minor: remove old commented out objectRemoved bool in XEngine.OnRemoveScript()
2015-01-17 00:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #4000 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-17 00:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4000: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4000/
2015-01-17 00:10 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Make XEngine.SaveAllState() actually do this instead of script maintenance
2015-01-17 00:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #4001 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-17 00:11 <osmantis> Bug #7407:04 Attempting save of script state for attachments worn by NPC when removing them from scene 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-17 00:11 <osmantis> Bug #7407:04 Attempting save of script state for attachments worn by NPC when removing them from scene 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7407 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-01-17 00:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4001: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4001/
2015-01-17 00:14 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: In AttachmentsModule.UpdateKnownItem use the existing IInventoryAccessModule reference that other methods are already using rather than fetching its own copy.
2015-01-17 00:16 <AliciaRaven> justincc, jenkins hit build 4000, does that mean a party? lol
2015-01-17 00:17 <justincc> ha
2015-01-17 00:17 <AliciaRaven> or in your case probably a vacation to relax lol
2015-01-17 00:18 <justincc> if I have a vacation I will just end up indulging my love of doing nothing and playing computer games
2015-01-17 00:18 <AliciaRaven> isnt that what a vacation is? lol
2015-01-17 00:18 <justincc> yeah :)
2015-01-17 00:19 <AliciaRaven> we are both british and i still use the term vacation, habit i guess from talking to alot of americans
2015-01-17 00:19 <justincc> lol, yes me too
2015-01-17 00:19 <justincc> I even started saying zee
2015-01-17 00:20 <justincc> in my head, at least
2015-01-17 00:20 <AliciaRaven> lol
2015-01-17 00:25 <AliciaRaven> justincc, with the next release comming soon i think there will be alot of non tech people getting confused over broken plugins
2015-01-17 00:26 <AliciaRaven> u think there will be?
2015-01-17 00:26 <justincc> I have no idea
2015-01-17 00:29 <smxy> heh. I have so many British friends, I've started calling vacation 'on holiday'. :)
2015-01-17 00:31 <AliciaRaven> lol smxy, and colour is spelt with a U hehe
2015-01-17 00:36 <AliciaRaven> americans always dropping letters and adding new ones, id hate to play scrabble with you lol
2015-01-17 00:39 <smxy> haha
2015-01-17 00:40 <smxy> French is the worst though. They just silently throw half the alphabet into their words and you're expected to know how to say and spell them correctly. And *everything* has gender. Have you ever picked up a laptop and tried to 'lift its tail' to see if it's a boy or a girl? :) lol
2015-01-17 00:41 <AliciaRaven> lol most european languages have gender, spanish and italian
2015-01-17 00:42 <smxy> I loved French though, when I used to know how to speak it, but I never really had any place to use it, so I lost it. :(
2015-01-17 00:42 <AllenKerensky> ... and in texas the "drawl" mostly comes from being too hot and tired to enunciate words
2015-01-17 00:42 <AliciaRaven> i can speak some spanish but wouldnt be able to spell half the words
2015-01-17 00:42 <AllenKerensky> and still the world rejected Esperanto hehehe
2015-01-17 00:42 <AliciaRaven> lol is that like yall?
2015-01-17 00:43 <smxy> y'all*
2015-01-17 00:43 <AliciaRaven> i had a friend in texas, she was saying yall alot lol
2015-01-17 00:43 <AllenKerensky> sadly I know a lot of people say it as "ell-oh-ell"
2015-01-17 00:44 <AllenKerensky> and yep, its y'all and I think some idjit done went and put it in tha dictionary that way
2015-01-17 00:44 <smxy> So do I. :)
2015-01-17 00:44 <AliciaRaven> these days if slang gets used for more than a year some one will add it to the dictionary
2015-01-17 00:44 <smxy> I  cringe whenever I find myself talking to someone and they say something funny and instead of laughing I actuaslly say "LOL". :)
2015-01-17 00:45 <AllenKerensky> still, I will take sounding like a hillbilly over speaking german (like gargling machine parts) or russian (like spitting out a cat fight)
2015-01-17 00:45 <AllenKerensky> and I have that same cringe
2015-01-17 00:46 <smxy> "LOL" is recursive now. I stands for "LOL Out Loud". :)
2015-01-17 00:46 <AliciaRaven> does anyone use lmao anymore?
2015-01-17 00:47 <smxy> I do. And ROFL and ROFLMAO and ROFLMFAO. :)
2015-01-17 00:48 <AliciaRaven> lol i dont hear that one much anymore
2015-01-17 00:48 <AllenKerensky> yeah thge MAOs seem to have sort of faded off
2015-01-17 00:48 <smxy> They all fell off. :)
2015-01-17 00:49 <AliciaRaven> scary visual that lol
2015-01-17 00:49 <AllenKerensky> and endless row of Maos falling off? yeah - scary
2015-01-17 00:51 <smxy> If you ever read the cartoon "Bloom County", you might remember that Opus had a problem with that. His was always falling off. :)
2015-01-17 00:51 <AllenKerensky> yep
2015-01-17 00:52 <smxy> One of my cats is named after him, but hasn't had that issue. Yet. :)
2015-01-17 00:56 <AliciaRaven> trending on twitter #NameYourJunkAfterAGame and some guy put Earthworm Jim lol
2015-01-17 01:01 <smxy> oh lord
2015-01-17 01:01 <smxy> lol
2015-01-17 01:02 <AliciaRaven> i wont repeat the funnyest here lol
2015-01-17 01:16 <Ken-S> When an object extends over to another sim,
2015-01-17 01:16 <Ken-S> such as a bridge or mountain,
2015-01-17 01:16 <Ken-S> it is phantom everywhere other than on the sim it was placed.
2015-01-17 01:16 <Ken-S> Is there a good reason for this?
2015-01-17 01:17 <justincc> it won't have a physics presence elsewhere
2015-01-17 01:17 <AliciaRaven> Ken-S, that will be because only the sim that owns it will do physics
2015-01-17 01:18 <Ken-S> Sounds like a var is the only solution then.
2015-01-17 01:19 <AllenKerensky> or put a copy of the same object on the other sim
2015-01-17 01:19 <AllenKerensky> and have it overlap "back" into the first sim
2015-01-17 01:19 <AllenKerensky> SL bridges and roads had the same sort of problems
2015-01-17 01:19 <Ken-S> Yea, but not sure the center can be put on the other sim to make them align... at least not with mountains.
2015-01-17 01:20 <AllenKerensky> just shrink the copy a fraction or turn it transparent to prevent the textures and materials from z-fighting
2015-01-17 01:20 <Ken-S> Roads or bridges could be done that way.
2015-01-17 01:20 <Ken-S> But not mountains.
2015-01-17 01:21 <AliciaRaven> if u link it to a small invisible prim as the root, that root prim can be used to position it, var region would be best tho
2015-01-17 01:21 <Ken-S> Thanks for the response... 
2015-01-17 01:21 <Ken-S> I kinda knew the answer already, but was hoping lol
2015-01-17 01:24 <justincc> well looking at the sit on ground, it's not obvious why the av falls through a prim onto terrain
2015-01-17 01:24 <justincc> the position in the region is the same.
2015-01-17 01:25 <justincc> interesting, if you sit on ground in mid air on the linden grid the av also falls through any prim onto terrain.  Only appears to work if you are standing on the prim
2015-01-17 01:26 <AliciaRaven> does it detect the prim to sit on through contact in the physics engine?
2015-01-17 01:26 <justincc> maybe, though that woudl mean sending the information back to the viewer.  Which might be happening, not clear yet
2015-01-17 01:30 <AliciaRaven> i wouldnt expect the lindens way to be the most logical or efficient tho lol
2015-01-17 01:40 <smxy> No, really? :)
2015-01-17 01:41 <justincc> in LL, unlike a prim you explicitly sit upon, ground sitting on one and then moving it does not move your avatar with it
2015-01-17 01:42 <AliciaRaven> in linden land, avatar drives you!
2015-01-17 01:42 <justincc> one remains sitting in mid air :)
2015-01-17 01:42 <AliciaRaven> say that in a russian acent and u get my meaning
2015-01-17 01:43 <AliciaRaven> so its getting the vector where u click and sitting u there not on the prim?
2015-01-17 01:43 <justincc> youi don't click, you just hit ctrl-alt-s
2015-01-17 01:43 <justincc> in SL this sits you on the prim you are standing on.  For some reason in OS it makes the av fall through to sit on the terrain
2015-01-17 01:44 <AliciaRaven> oh so its just sitting the avatar directly at the place its standing
2015-01-17 01:44 <AliciaRaven> sounds like os is getting the terrain height for the sit location not the avatars current position
2015-01-17 01:45 <justincc> no,os retains the height the av should be at
2015-01-17 01:45 <justincc> as far as I can see
2015-01-17 01:45 <AliciaRaven> ok, i see why u are confuzeled lol
2015-01-17 01:45 <AliciaRaven> the code says one thing and the avatar does its own thing lol
2015-01-17 01:47 <justincc> os sends no return info to the client except for animations.  So unles that is somehow the trigger, it might be missing info
2015-01-17 01:47 <smxy> Sounds like a job for WGP.
2015-01-17 01:48 <AliciaRaven> when the animation is played could that alter the position and nudge the avatar down enough to fall through? sounds unlikely but i cant think of another idea
2015-01-17 01:48 <justincc> animations don't alter pos
2015-01-17 01:48 <AliciaRaven> didnt think so
2015-01-17 01:48 <justincc> tbh, I'm not looking for ideas, just thuoght I would type out loud
2015-01-17 01:50 <justincc> and when you stand, the avatar reasecends to the correct position
2015-01-17 01:50 <justincc> which is amusing
2015-01-17 01:50 <AliciaRaven> k, it dosnt make sense to me from what you said, shouldnt happen
2015-01-17 01:50 <justincc> sorry that was a bit rude, it's late and I', hungry :)
2015-01-17 01:51 <justincc> it's just a bit of a puzzler, not going to fix this with a casual look through
2015-01-17 01:51 <AliciaRaven> lol np
2015-01-17 01:51 <justincc> I've been through the goddamn sit code a lot of times, though that was relating to explicit sit :)
2015-01-17 01:51 <justincc> ground sit  doesn't go through the same stuff at all
2015-01-17 01:52 <justincc> it's a much simpler thing but clearly something is wrong 
2015-01-17 01:52 <justincc> oh well
2015-01-17 01:52 <justincc> maybe the parent part does need to get set
2015-01-17 01:53 <justincc> which would mean a trace down to see what you are standing upon
2015-01-17 01:58 <justincc> alirght, time to rest.  Have a good wkend folks
2015-01-17 03:15 <LiruCookies> Ground sit does Not sit you on a prim, but it sits you at the height you are at.
2015-01-17 03:46 <osmantis> Bug #7407:04 Attempting save of script state for attachments worn by NPC when removing them from scene 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-17 10:23 <osmantis> Bug #7319:04 XEngine Errors, Can't access an unloaded application domain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7319 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-17 15:25 <skittles> This question is probably dumb, but is the process for making a module for robust the same as a region module? are robust modules a thing?
2015-01-17 15:26 <skittles> i mean as an addin.
2015-01-17 15:28 <BlueWall> not really
2015-01-17 15:29 <skittles> ok, i'll just add the code directly, thanks.
2015-01-17 15:29 <BlueWall> you can load an assembly into the Robust shell ...
2015-01-17 15:32 <BlueWall> https://github.com/BlueWall/SlipStream/tree/master/Src has code to load via addins
2015-01-17 15:33 <skittles> hmmm ok. not sure what would be best. i'm adding hardware blocking.
2015-01-17 15:33 <BlueWall> It follows the basic structure of what Robust code looks like in core, but has some structure to provide more dynamic capabilites to be loaded into a running Robust intance.
2015-01-17 15:33 <BlueWall> hardware blocking?
2015-01-17 15:34 <skittles> yeah, to block logins from specified mac address or hardware id.
2015-01-17 15:34 <BlueWall> ahhh
2015-01-17 15:34 <BlueWall> lol, interface it to iptables :D
2015-01-17 15:35 <BlueWall> Did you look for something similar in the existing code?
2015-01-17 15:35 <skittles> only a little bit.
2015-01-17 15:35 <skittles> wiki says to use iptables to block, but that seems a little klutzy.
2015-01-17 15:36 <BlueWall> I would probably want the OS to handle filtering
2015-01-17 15:36 <BlueWall> But an automated way to make it happen would be cool.
2015-01-17 15:37 <skittles> yeah, i'm just starting to research it.
2015-01-17 15:37 <BlueWall> What would enter the filters? 
2015-01-17 15:37 <skittles> how do you mean?
2015-01-17 15:38 <BlueWall> Like manually entering the ip/mac from a web ui or something?
2015-01-17 15:38 <BlueWall> ohhh, it's part of the abuse report?
2015-01-17 15:38 <skittles> it could be, we've got a little utility for CSRs and i want to hook it up to that.
2015-01-17 15:39 <skittles> there's a tiny home hosted grid that keeps signing up and bothering our creators trying to get them to switch to their grid.
2015-01-17 15:39 <skittles> the amusing thing is their setup is broken and you can't login even after signing up.
2015-01-17 15:40 <skittles> but it's still bothering people with spam.
2015-01-17 15:40 <BlueWall> I have some management software that interacts with iptables to open/close ports. It's in python, but it could be done in C# - it would need to run as root though :s
2015-01-17 15:40 <BlueWall> Ahh
2015-01-17 15:41 <skittles> and i've just about got my abuse reports module finished.
2015-01-17 15:41 <skittles> so this seems like the next step for that too.
2015-01-17 15:41 <BlueWall> If things need to run as root, I like to partition them off into their own little application and use messaging from the main one.
2015-01-17 15:41 <skittles> yeah, i'd rather not run as root.
2015-01-17 15:42 <BlueWall> I'll bet 90% do, hehe
2015-01-17 15:42 <skittles> likely so.
2015-01-17 15:43 <skittles> when i got hired on here, they were running as root and had cs language turned on for scripting.
2015-01-17 15:43 <BlueWall> I don't know what the M$ equiv. of iptales is, and if you can programatically manupulate the filters.
2015-01-17 15:43 <BlueWall> 0.0 WTH
2015-01-17 15:43 <BlueWall> full hypergrid too??
2015-01-17 15:44 <skittles> yep!
2015-01-17 15:44 <BlueWall> LOL
2015-01-17 15:44 <BlueWall> I'm not psychic, just been around a while, haha
2015-01-17 16:28 <Velus> so skittles someone had OpenSim running on root with cs lang switched on ?
2015-01-17 16:46 <skittles> yeah
2015-01-17 17:02 <Velus> they should be shot 
2015-01-17 17:34 <smxy> Wifi is a Robust add-in now, so yes, it can be done. :)
2015-01-17 17:45 <nebadon_> what is the problem?
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2015-01-18 01:49 <osmantis> Bug #7399:04 serverside_object_permissions no longer works for object inventory items. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7399 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-01-18 18:40 <Tank_Master> just a note, FS has merged in everything from LL now, but we were able to readd legacy baking so FS can still work as expected with OpenSim grids
2015-01-18 19:35 <osmantis> Bug #7416:04 osForceDropAttachment not available (nor any othe script detach functions) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7416 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2015-01-18 23:35 <osmantis> Bug #7417:04 verregions do not allocate prims correctly when land is sub-divided 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7417 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-19 00:05 <osmantis> Bug #7417:04 verregions do not allocate prims correctly when land is sub-divided 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7417 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-19 00:37 <AliciaRaven> Tank_Master, any chance the main map issues FS has with var regions will be fixed in the next release?
2015-01-19 00:39 <AliciaRaven> oh he left lol
2015-01-19 03:16 <LiruCookies> AliciaRaven: Can I see this issue in a picture? does it reliably repro?
2015-01-19 03:17 <AliciaRaven> sure LiruCookies, give me a minute, and yep constant problem with FS
2015-01-19 03:22 <AliciaRaven> http://www.spellscape.co.uk/alicia/map2.jpg
2015-01-19 03:22 <AliciaRaven> LiruCookies
2015-01-19 03:23 <AliciaRaven> untill i click the bottom 256 sqaured area, clicking another will turn that tile red and say offline
2015-01-19 03:23 <AliciaRaven> after clicking the bottom corner, i can click any where are its ok, once red they dont change back even after clicking the bottom corner
2015-01-19 03:24 <AliciaRaven> also before clicking the map anywhere, all but the west and south edges start red and say offline, even though thats the area im in
2015-01-19 03:25 <AliciaRaven> http://jira.phoenixviewer.com/browse/FIRE-13903
2015-01-19 03:25 <AliciaRaven> smxy has the same problem
2015-01-19 06:44 <Trinity93> any one here ever watch the movie 'summer wars'?
2015-01-19 11:26 <osmantis> Bug #7319:04 XEngine Errors, Can't access an unloaded application domain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7319 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-19 11:38 <SianaGearz> hi. i'd like to request reproduction steps to provoke the client to crash as in http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4994
2015-01-19 11:38 <SianaGearz> we'd like to harden the client against such sort of crash.
2015-01-19 13:58 <AliciaRaven> SianaGearz, i would think that you would need to create an outfit to wear, then delete one of its associated texture assets directly from the db
2015-01-19 13:59 <SianaGearz> thanks for suggestion, AliciaRaven.
2015-01-19 14:00 <SianaGearz> though if he speaks of a single wrong OpenSim.ini line, i wonder what it could be :P
2015-01-19 14:02 <AliciaRaven> yes that is confusing, i cant see how config would have anything to do with it
2015-01-19 14:14 <AllenKerensky> OSgrid update posted: http://news.osgrid.org/
2015-01-19 18:18 <NickyP> MapServerURL use. This is a client value. Is any one use a custom URL delivered as a simulator override? It would be set in simulator features.
2015-01-19 18:18 <NickyP> using*
2015-01-19 18:48 <BlueWall> MapTileURL ?
2015-01-19 19:16 <NickyP> maybe one these server/client naming things I'll look through the opensim configs and see if I can find it
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2015-01-19 19:24 <BlueWall> NickyP, that can be set in the Robust server, and can be over-ridden in OpenSim. It does get sent with the extra features so the map url can be sent to agents entering via Hypergrid.
2015-01-19 19:36 <LiruCookies> NickyP: That gets hooked into the world map code.
2015-01-19 19:37 <smxy> LiruCookies: Using the latest Singularity alpha, I tried to look up another avatar, on the map, for whom I have that permission. It displays their name and a red arrow on the map, but it doesn't change the view to that region. So I can't actually see where they are. I *could* drag the map until wherever they are is visible, but they are thousadns of map positions away. That would get quite 
2015-01-19 19:37 <smxy> tedius.
2015-01-19 19:37 <LiruCookies> NickyP: lkalif made that change, though, it is probably portable
2015-01-19 19:38 <LiruCookies> smxy: I map people all the time on SL, are you sure behavior changrd in an alpha?
2015-01-19 19:39 <smxy> I've never tried this feature in OpenSim. Only in SL and I think only with Firestorm, to be honest. I know that in that case, it warps the map to their region and displays it.
2015-01-19 19:40 <smxy> For all I know, it's always behaved like I'm seeing in OpenSim. I only mentioned the version so you'd know what I was using.
2015-01-19 19:41 <LiruCookies> It should warp once the lookup of the region is complete.
2015-01-19 19:41 <smxy> Well, it doesn't seem to be doing that.
2015-01-19 19:51 <smxy> LiruCookies: I don't even know that it's a Singularity issue. It could be server side. I'll try it with Firestorm too.
2015-01-19 19:53 <smxy> LiruCookies: Same behavior with Firestorm, so perhaps it's server-side.
2015-01-19 20:23 <osmantis> Bug #7417:04 verregions do not allocate prims correctly when land is sub-divided 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7417 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-19 20:27 <osmantis> Bug #7417:04 verregions do not allocate prims correctly when land is sub-divided 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7417 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-01-19 20:38 <LiruCookies> smxy: prolly
2015-01-19 23:01 <osmantis> Bug #7416:04 osForceDropAttachment not available (nor any othe script detach functions) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7416 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-19 23:01 <osmantis> Bug #7416:04 osForceDropAttachment not available (nor any othe script detach functions) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7416 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-01-19 23:09 <Acurapassion> Hey guys, I'm having an issue enabling V2 groups on a standalone, and I was hoping I could get some help here, I've posted first in the opensim channel but with no response, so I came here.
2015-01-19 23:09 <Acurapassion> I'm getting the error "Exception: could not find storage interface in the given module opensim.data.mysql.dll"
2015-01-19 23:10 <Acurapassion> But I've uncommented StorageProvider = "OpenSim.Data.MySQL.dll"
2015-01-19 23:10 <Acurapassion> And even checked to make sure the DLL is in my bin folder..
2015-01-19 23:13 <smxy> I'm not sure I ever set up groups for my test standalone. Let me check.
2015-01-19 23:14 <Acurapassion> Thanks
2015-01-19 23:16 <smxy> I fired up the VM and checked the ini - looks like I did set it up. Let me start the region and make sure it comes up clean.
2015-01-19 23:19 <smxy> Okay, it came up okay, running a build from October.
2015-01-19 23:20 <smxy> Let's see if we can figure out why mine comes up okay and yours doesn't. :)
2015-01-19 23:22 <smxy> Here's my [Groups] section. Yours should be the same, except for the HomeURI, of course.
2015-01-19 23:22 <smxy> http://pastebin.com/PuHN6Pre
2015-01-19 23:22 <smxy> Is yours different?
2015-01-19 23:24 <smxy> Acurapassion: hello?
2015-01-19 23:25 <smxy> Well, I'll guess I'll go eat dinner then.
2015-01-19 23:25 <justinccAfk> lol
2015-01-19 23:25 <smxy> Hey Justin
2015-01-19 23:25 <justincc> hi smxy
2015-01-19 23:26 <osmantis> Bug #7416:04 osForceDropAttachment not available (nor any othe script detach functions) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7416 ): has been CLOSED
2015-01-19 23:31 <Acurapassion> Sorry mate, back now
2015-01-19 23:31 <Acurapassion> Let me check
2015-01-19 23:36 <Acurapassion> That's from a standalone?
2015-01-19 23:36 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-19 23:37 <smxy> I said it was, didn't I?
2015-01-19 23:38 <Acurapassion> Because according to the descriptions, the ServicesConnectorModule should be set to "Groups Local Service Connector" but you have it set for hypergrid, as well as the HomeURI, was supposed to be left commented
2015-01-19 23:38 <Acurapassion> Which is what I did on mine
2015-01-19 23:38 <smxy> Well, yes, my standalone *is* configured for HG.
2015-01-19 23:38 <Acurapassion> But everything else is identical
2015-01-19 23:39 <justincc> could you pastebin your exact error?
2015-01-19 23:40 <Acurapassion> Yeah, where can I copy it from, is it logged somewhere?
2015-01-19 23:40 <justincc> should be in your OpenSim.log
2015-01-19 23:40 <Acurapassion> Because when I get it, the window greys out and windows tells me Opensim/exe has stopped working and won't let me select it form there
2015-01-19 23:40 <Acurapassion> Thanks
2015-01-19 23:41 <justincc> you can also start OpenSim in  a command prompt
2015-01-19 23:41 <justincc> sanity question - you've set mysql up on your windows box?
2015-01-19 23:43 <Acurapassion> Here we go: http://pastebin.com/rJYwaeHi
2015-01-19 23:43 <Acurapassion> Set it up?
2015-01-19 23:43 <Acurapassion> Maybe I haven't
2015-01-19 23:43 <justincc> yes, the mysql database
2015-01-19 23:43 <smxy> ...
2015-01-19 23:44 <justincc> if you haven't done anything then you need to do that
2015-01-19 23:44 <justincc> mysql is a separate database package
2015-01-19 23:44 <Acurapassion> Do I have to actually run a local instance for the groups to work?
2015-01-19 23:44 <justincc> atm yes, unfortunqately there is no sqlite db adaptor for groups :(
2015-01-19 23:45 <justincc> although now I remember that was a blank that I'm forced to fill in
2015-01-19 23:45 <Acurapassion> Ahh
2015-01-19 23:45 <Acurapassion> I guess I just assumed it was all handled within opensim >_<
2015-01-19 23:46 <justincc> yeah, most things use the sqlite db which doesn't need indepedent set up (but performance is much lower)
2015-01-19 23:46 <justincc> unfortunately groups doesn' thave an sqlite adaptor yet
2015-01-19 23:46 <Acurapassion> Gotcha
2015-01-19 23:47 <justincc> if you want best performance it's worth investing the time to learn mysql, though harder if you're starting from scratch without having setup a db before
2015-01-19 23:47 <Acurapassion> I've got some experience
2015-01-19 23:47 <smxy> Sorry, I guess I just assumed that if you told it to use a MySQL connector that you'd installed and configured MySQL.
2015-01-19 23:47 <justincc> heh, always worth asking the question :)
2015-01-19 23:48 <Acurapassion> I use it on my website, who's main function is sending and receiving from my servers etc within my regions. :P
2015-01-19 23:48 <justincc> oh ok.  So shouldn't be too hard.  YOu just need to create the db and point opensim at it.  OpenSim does the work of actually setting up tables on frist run
2015-01-19 23:48 <Acurapassion> Keep a master database on website of list of members and priveledges, so they can open doors, enter areas, etc.
2015-01-19 23:49 <osmantis> Bug #7406:04 problème avec MWI 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7406 ): has been CLOSED
2015-01-19 23:49 <Acurapassion> Yeah, maybe, I can fingure it out without too much issue. ^^
2015-01-19 23:50 <Acurapassion> I mainly manipulate it with PHP though, haven't actually used a great deal of SQL
2015-01-19 23:50 <justincc> you don't need to, opensim will handle all that
2015-01-19 23:50 <Acurapassion> I really appreciate all the help though guys.
2015-01-19 23:50 <justincc> you just need to issue the initial "create database" command
2015-01-19 23:51 <smxy> BTW, a hint for getting help next time: Don't wander off as soon as someone starts trying to help you. :)
2015-01-19 23:52 <Acurapassion> Sorry about that, I had a casserole in the oven for dinner tonight and the timer went off during our conversation. Haha
2015-01-19 23:52 <smxy> That's what "BRB" is for.
2015-01-19 23:52 <Acurapassion> ;)
2015-01-19 23:52 <Acurapassion> I'll use that next time
2015-01-19 23:53 <Acurapassion> Thank you
2015-01-19 23:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #4002 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-20 00:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4002: SUCCESS in 9 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4002/
2015-01-20 00:03 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Make failures in PollServiceHttpRequest.DoHTTPGruntWork() actually log the exception on error
2015-01-20 00:08 <osmantis> Bug #7321:04 Error requesting Preferences 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7321 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-01-20 00:10 <osmantis> Bug #7368:04 old version of opensim fails to run with "type load exception" if built after a newer version is built 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7368 ): has been CLOSED
2015-01-20 00:13 <osmantis> Bug #7361:04 OAR save and load does not preserve telehub details for region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7361 ): has been CLOSED
2015-01-20 00:15 <osmantis> Bug #7136:04 Standalone with MSSQL database -  "Could not find a storage interface in the given module" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7136 ): has been CLOSED
2015-01-20 00:16 <osmantis> Bug #7349:04 Crashes while running in standalone mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7349 ): has been CLOSED
2015-01-20 00:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #4003 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-20 00:20 <osmantis> Bug #7337:04 [SCENE COMMUNIATION SERVICE]:  typo in module name reported. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7337 ): has been CLOSED
2015-01-20 00:22 <osmantis> Bug #7302:04 Inventory , skin, clothing, and even landmarks disappear once avatar relogs. Avatar appears cloud 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7302 ): has been CLOSED
2015-01-20 00:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4003: SUCCESS in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4003/
2015-01-20 00:23 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: comment out unusued logging objects in some pCampbot behaviour classes
2015-01-20 00:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #4004 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-20 00:23 <osmantis> Bug #7316:04 Avatar jumps when looking down and walking forward 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7316 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-20 00:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4004: SUCCESS in 4 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4004/
2015-01-20 00:27 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: correct SceneCommunicationService.LogHeader spelling
2015-01-20 00:42 <osmantis> Bug #7312:04 Crash of Opensim Core 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7312 ): has been CLOSED
2015-01-20 00:45 <osmantis> Bug #6517:04 LSL Script error crashes OpenSim server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6517 ): has been CLOSED
2015-01-20 00:47 <osmantis> Bug #7272:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Delegate for TriggerOnFrame failed at OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.World.Terrain.TerrainModule 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7272 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-01-20 00:51 <osmantis> Bug #6909:04 choppy movement of the avatar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6909 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-20 00:56 <osmantis> Bug #7074:04 MSSQL crash related to missing migrations. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7074 ): has been CLOSED
2015-01-20 00:58 <osmantis> Bug #6939:04 the code within AvatarFactoryModule.cs keeps adding new inventory items on teleports 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6939 ): has been CLOSED
2015-01-20 00:59 <osmantis> Bug #7031:04 On return to home avatar appears to flicker, sometimes remains white. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7031 ): has been CLOSED
2015-01-20 01:00 <osmantis> Bug #6580:04 Phantom/Physical/Temporary can not be set or unset on objects in world 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6580 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-20 01:03 <osmantis> Bug #6776:04 DeleteScriptsOnStartup fails if set to true 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6776 ): has been CLOSED
2015-01-20 01:05 <osmantis> Bug #6701:04 Home Position Broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6701 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-20 01:06 <osmantis> Bug #6716:04 10:22:34 - [UTIL]: Continuing after async_call_method thread terminated with exception Collection was modified 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6716 ): has been CLOSED
2015-01-20 01:09 <osmantis> Bug #6490:04 Import of IAR files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6490 ): has been CLOSED
2015-01-20 01:09 <osmantis> Bug #6475:04 Running TableGames 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6475 ): has been CLOSED
2015-01-20 01:11 <osmantis> Bug #3422:04 Region crossing issues and others related to smooth operations of virtual worldspace Viradu.com 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3422 ): has been CLOSED
2015-01-20 01:12 <osmantis> Bug #6071:04 mono-git breaks opensim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6071 ): has been CLOSED
2015-01-20 01:14 <osmantis> Bug #3461:04 sim autist to TP /sim cross / direct login 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3461 ): has been CLOSED
2015-01-20 01:15 <osmantis> Bug #7158:04 [PATCH] Start of working on prim equivalence for mesh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7158 ): has been CLOSED
2015-01-20 02:05 <osmantis> Bug #6701:04 Home Position Broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6701 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-20 08:18 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-20 09:44 <Velus> hey all
2015-01-20 10:04 <osmantis> Bug #7418:04 Anomalous behaviour connecting from local LAN 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7418 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-20 10:07 <osmantis> Bug #7418:04 Anomalous behaviour connecting from local LAN 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7418 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-01-20 12:59 <osmantis> Bug #7418:04 Anomalous behaviour connecting from local LAN 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7418 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-20 14:34 <osmantis> Bug #7418:04 Anomalous behaviour connecting from local LAN 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7418 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-20 15:00 <osmantis> Bug #7419:04 Presence of a user with a high-latency connection has severe (sometimes fatal) impact on an entire region's preformance 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7419 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-20 15:11 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-20 15:29 <osmantis> Bug #6580:04 Phantom/Physical/Temporary can not be set or unset on objects in world 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6580 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-20 15:31 <osmantis> Bug #6909:04 choppy movement of the avatar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6909 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-20 15:41 <osmantis> Bug #7418:04 Anomalous behaviour connecting from local LAN 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7418 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-20 15:45 <osmantis> Bug #7419:04 Presence of a user with a high-latency connection has severe (sometimes fatal) impact on an entire region's preformance 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7419 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007393.
2015-01-20 15:45 <osmantis> Bug #7393:04 Visitors with high packet latency cause region to experience excessive lag and other performance issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7393 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007419.
2015-01-20 15:51 <osmantis> Bug #7418:04 Anomalous behaviour connecting from local LAN 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7418 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-20 16:27 <osmantis> Bug #7418:04 Anomalous behaviour connecting from local LAN 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7418 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-20 16:28 <osmantis> Bug #7418:04 Anomalous behaviour connecting from local LAN 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7418 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-01-20 17:58 <osmantis> Bug #7419:04 Presence of a user with a high-latency connection has severe (sometimes fatal) impact on an entire region's preformance 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7419 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-01-20 18:04 <osmantis> Bug #7420:04 Extreme loading of server with Bulletsim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7420 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-20 18:05 <osmantis> Bug #7393:04 Visitors with high packet latency cause region to experience excessive lag and other performance issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7393 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-01-20 19:07 <misterblue> what's the location of the developers meeting?
2015-01-20 19:08 <misterblue> 
ACTION doesn't have his HG cheatsheet with him

2015-01-20 19:09 <zadarkAlt1> cc.opensimulator.org:8002:Staff Zone 1
2015-01-20 19:42 <Velus> you know the prebuild.exe what exactly does that do?
2015-01-20 19:48 <BlueWall> Velus, it searches for prebuild.xml files, which define the assemblies then uses them to make the solution file for compiling.
2015-01-20 19:48 <Velus> ok 
2015-01-20 19:49 <Velus> im trying to do a of branch of whitecore and opensim, whats the best windows editor to do it in , i know its not got a sln file so its not easy to load up, you only seem to get the sln file when you build it, but im not wanting to build it just yet
2015-01-20 19:50 <BlueWall> I wouldn't know about any of that.
2015-01-20 20:04 <Velus> ok
2015-01-20 20:07 <Velus> im having to manually change them then see, but do you know how to intergrate into travis-ci or do you use something else for the testing?
2015-01-20 20:11 <BlueWall> I use 100% Linux
2015-01-20 20:11 <BlueWall> and don't know what whitecore is
2015-01-20 20:11 <Velus> its a hybrid of opensim but without the hg 
2015-01-20 20:34 <smxy> Not a hybrid, a fork.
2015-01-20 20:35 <smxy> A hybrid is a cros between multiple things. WhiteCore is a fork of Aurora, which is a fork of OpenSim.
2015-01-20 20:36 <BlueWall> ohh, ok
2015-01-20 20:36 <BlueWall> layers and layers for forks
2015-01-20 20:37 <BlueWall> Velus, are you trying to reconcile them?
2015-01-20 20:53 <misterblue> the sln files will edit with Visual Studio Express (free IDE for Windows)... people also use the Mono system (can't remember the name)
2015-01-20 20:53 <misterblue> ttfn
2015-01-20 20:54 <Ken_S> Aurora/Whitecore code has moved a long way from opensim.
2015-01-20 20:54 <BlueWall> Monodevelop
2015-01-20 23:12 <antont> Ken_S: in what direction?
2015-01-20 23:13 <antont> Velus: should be quite easy to do the prebuild dance to get the sln
2015-01-20 23:14 <Velus> yeas but dont the prebuild create things using the already created files?
2015-01-20 23:14 <Velus> anyway im doing it all in a text editor slowly
2015-01-20 23:15 <antont> prebuild generates the sln iirc
2015-01-20 23:15 <antont> .. and then you can open that with vs and build
2015-01-20 23:15 <antont> but you don't need a build to get the sln
2015-01-20 23:16 <Velus> ok 
2015-01-20 23:16 <antont> which is just a project file that tells visual studio which files to show in your project
2015-01-20 23:16 <Velus> ill stick with txt editor for now 
2015-01-20 23:16 <antont> that's fine
2015-01-20 23:16 <antont> for reading, visual studio is basically just a text editor / viewer too .. you can navigate with your os file manager too :)
2015-01-20 23:16 <antont> or your editors file-open i guess
2015-01-21 00:20 <Velus> if im wanting to do some data base alteratioins like change all the db col names to conform ORM, would i do a migration file?
2015-01-21 00:21 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-21 00:21 <justincc> if it was being done in opensim itself.  But you really don't want to do that unilaterally
2015-01-21 00:27 <AliciaRaven> justincc, opening Scene.Inventory.cs in VS is asking me to choose line endings, what is the standard for opensim again? is it unix LF?
2015-01-21 00:27 <justincc> yeah
2015-01-21 00:27 <AliciaRaven> k thanks, there are 8 lines that dont conform in that file
2015-01-21 00:30 <Velus> justincc, would it not be best to have the databases follow one rule for naming colums? i have noticed that there is like 3 different types for them, im thinking of trying to create a migrator file for it so it follows one rule for it, and i have noticed its best to have it ORM compliant if im right ORM is  something like UserID, UserStats etc so you camael case the names
2015-01-21 00:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #4005 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-21 00:31 <justincc> yes, the people who did that were total idiots
2015-01-21 00:31 <justincc> but if you change it now there will be crying and I don't need the grief
2015-01-21 00:31 <justincc> anyway, for pgsql I think yuo want everything lowercase really - uppercase there is a pain
2015-01-21 00:32 <Velus> does opensim work with pgsql?
2015-01-21 00:32 <Velus> thought it was only mysql and sqlite?
2015-01-21 00:32 <justincc> pgsql was added,. though userprofiles does not work properly
2015-01-21 00:33 <justincc> I haven't come across any other issues so far- using it now
2015-01-21 00:33 <Velus> ok
2015-01-21 00:33 <Velus> ok
2015-01-21 00:33 <justincc> If you want the safest though, bes tto stick with mysql
2015-01-21 00:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4005: SUCCESS in 9 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4005/
2015-01-21 00:35 <osjenkins> jjustincc: If [Permissions] serverside_object_permissions = false or the undocumented propogate_permissions = false, don't propogate permissions of prim inventory items.
2015-01-21 00:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #4006 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-21 00:36 <Velus> yeah i do stick with mysql my self, im currently working on a rebrand and some alterations to whitecore/aurorasim version then i will be working on opensim its self. im going to try and have them all ORM compliant for the systems, i will also hopefully be doing some stuff for it, im soon going to have a team of people helping me with this as well but they will be coming next month or so.
2015-01-21 00:38 <Velus> i have updated the license to the same license but with the addition of the name of the software plus me
2015-01-21 00:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4006: SUCCESS in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4006/
2015-01-21 00:39 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Fix some CR line endings in Scene.Inventory.cs
2015-01-21 00:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #4007 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-21 00:43 <Velus> justincc, where would i be able to get the test scripts for jenkins?
2015-01-21 00:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4007: SUCCESS in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4007/
2015-01-21 00:44 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Comment out log line for the SimulatorFeatures cap request for now to reduce log verbiage.  Please revert if still required.
2015-01-21 00:46 <justincc> after the build, jenkins runs "nant test" to run regression tests
2015-01-21 00:46 <justincc> that target is defined within .nant/local.include in the opensim build tree itself
2015-01-21 00:47 <Velus> OK
2015-01-21 00:47 <osmantis> Bug #7401:04 User Prefs request overwrites with default values before reading 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7401 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-01-21 00:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #4008 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-21 00:59 <osmantis> Bug #7399:04 serverside_object_permissions no longer works for object inventory items. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7399 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-01-21 01:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4008: SUCCESS in 4 min 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4008/
2015-01-21 01:00 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Replace the tabs that have crept into isolated places in config and config example files with spaces
2015-01-21 01:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #4009 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-21 01:00 <justincc> Thank AliciaRaven
2015-01-21 01:00 <justincc> Thanks
2015-01-21 01:01 <AliciaRaven> np justincc
2015-01-21 01:02 <justincc> AliciaRaven: just a very minor point.  I very much appreciate the commit explanation.  COuld you structure them so that the first line is a summary, then a new line then the description below that?  That's the 'standard' and means that it's easy to see what a commit is about since only the first line is displayed in various summaries
2015-01-21 01:04 <AliciaRaven> justincc yep, i will remember that next time
2015-01-21 01:04 <osmantis> Bug #7401:04 User Prefs request overwrites with default values before reading 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7401 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-21 01:05 <AliciaRaven> i probably could write less of an explanation as the details are in the mantis for the patch anyway, my commit messages are long lol
2015-01-21 01:05 <justincc> thanks.  Also, sorry didn't realized the patch was assigned to BlueWall,. otherwise I would have left it for him to look
2015-01-21 01:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4009: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4009/
2015-01-21 01:05 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix OfflineIMEmail value overwriting every time its called. The request was receiving a blank user prefs object to populate but then was checking for an email address. When this failed the email address was pulled from the User Account service and the empty prefs now including the email was saved before being loaded again to be returned. This was overwriting all other settings in the prefs. This fix returns the existing prefs first be
2015-01-21 01:05 <justincc> no harm with long.  It's short thatcan be the real pain
2015-01-21 01:05 <justincc> when you're trying to work out where a bug might have been introduced, what the purpose of a change was, etc.
2015-01-21 01:05 <AliciaRaven> yea, i guess its finding a ballance lol
2015-01-21 01:06 <AliciaRaven> clear info without waffle, some times i waffle tho lol
2015-01-21 01:06 <justincc> yeah good to be precise
2015-01-21 01:06 <justincc> I admit, some of the multi page bug reports can be real tough
2015-01-21 01:07 <AliciaRaven> i was asigned to bluewall as the bug came up after he added the code to check the email address was set, just that it was checking before reading the info so always failed to see the address and overwrote the existing data
2015-01-21 01:30 <justincc> alright rest time.  Goodnight
2015-01-21 01:41 <Plugh> One project I've been looking at has zero text for each commit. Talk about useless.
2015-01-21 02:23 <Tank-Master> commit messages are for the forgetful :P
2015-01-21 02:25 <AliciaRaven> hi Tank-Master, do u know if the var region main map bug will be fixed in the next fs release?
2015-01-21 02:25 <Tank-Master> has a jira been filed for it?
2015-01-21 02:25 <AliciaRaven> yes, long time ago lol
2015-01-21 02:26 <AliciaRaven> http://jira.phoenixviewer.com/browse/FIRE-13903
2015-01-21 02:26 <Tank-Master> i know we did some bug fixes a while back for varitable regions
2015-01-21 02:26 <AliciaRaven> http://www.spellscape.co.uk/alicia/map2.jpg
2015-01-21 02:27 <Tank-Master> we dont have someone thats dedicated to fixing opemsim bug at the moment, unfortentally
2015-01-21 02:27 <AliciaRaven> var regions wont be detected as valid on the map untill u click the lower 256x256 corner
2015-01-21 02:28 <AliciaRaven> was it cinders that was the opensim specialist?
2015-01-21 02:28 <Tank-Master> yeah
2015-01-21 02:28 <Tank-Master> she left a while back, got burnt out doing a bunch of stuff for us and LL
2015-01-21 02:28 <AliciaRaven> ah
2015-01-21 02:29 <Tank-Master> if a patch is made and linked to that jira, then we can easly add that in
2015-01-21 02:30 <AliciaRaven> liru made a patch for the related mini map bug with vars and that has been applied, im not sure if FS took the first fix he did or the later one which was more optimized
2015-01-21 02:30 <AliciaRaven> i hope it was the more optimized one :)
2015-01-21 02:31 <Tank-Master> we track most of that stuff in our jira these days, so if nothing was posted there we may not know about it
2015-01-21 02:33 <AliciaRaven> i posted the news of lirus fix, and Ansariel Hiller applied it and closed the report, maybe i should post again and ask if it was the optimized version, all my jira reports seem to be ignored so its probably not worth it
2015-01-21 02:34 <AliciaRaven> the lindens keep viewer devs too busy lol
2015-01-21 02:34 <Tank-Master> do you have a link to the optimized version?
2015-01-21 02:34 <AliciaRaven> umm not of hand, i could look for it, im just going on what LiruCookies told me
2015-01-21 02:35 <Tank-Master> ok
2015-01-21 02:37 <AliciaRaven> https://github.com/singularity-viewer/SingularityViewer/commit/03e9db98e684fe9f0c98f1dddd18dc981e29ed99
2015-01-21 02:37 <AliciaRaven> Tank-Master, it was commited on the same day so maybe its already included with the original commit in FS
2015-01-21 02:38 <AliciaRaven> the main map one is a pretty big problem for var regions tho
2015-01-21 02:44 <Tank-Master> im not finding any of that code in FS
2015-01-21 02:44 <Tank-Master> so it might not be compatable with us
2015-01-21 02:45 <AliciaRaven> http://hg.phoenixviewer.com/phoenix-firestorm-lgpl/rev/0d0ec12532bb
2015-01-21 02:45 <AliciaRaven> thats the commit by liru that was applied to fs
2015-01-21 02:47 <Tank-Master> ok, that code i see
2015-01-21 02:47 <AliciaRaven> but not the optimized fix that was applied to singularity on top of that?
2015-01-21 02:48 <Tank-Master> not any of the code in the commit you linked
2015-01-21 02:48 <Tank-Master> assid from "// [SL:KB] - Patch: World-MinimapOverlay |"
2015-01-21 02:48 <Tank-Master> the dates in ours seem to be different than that also
2015-01-21 02:49 <AliciaRaven> thats strange
2015-01-21 02:50 <smxy> Hi Tank-Master. Yeah, fixing the main map would be insanely awesome. :) Pretty-please, with a cherry on top? :)
2015-01-21 02:51 <AliciaRaven> oh she has only applied the patch to fix the property lines not the textures
2015-01-21 02:51 <AliciaRaven> there are 3 patches, 2 for the texture fix and one for property lines
2015-01-21 02:51 <AliciaRaven> awww so she closed the jira report but the textures will still be messed up
2015-01-21 02:51 <smxy> Yeah, we need all three. 
2015-01-21 02:52 <smxy> Getting this fixed has been like pulling teeth. :(
2015-01-21 02:52 <AliciaRaven> yea, FS map has been a mess for along time :(
2015-01-21 02:53 <AliciaRaven> Tank-Master, will that change be in any alpha build i could try?
2015-01-21 02:53 <Tank-Master> what change?
2015-01-21 02:53 <AliciaRaven> the one that is in FS
2015-01-21 02:53 <Tank-Master> ah, i see it was recently added
2015-01-21 02:54 <Tank-Master> we dont have any public alpha builds
2015-01-21 02:54 <Tank-Master> what OS are you running on?
2015-01-21 02:54 <AliciaRaven> win7
2015-01-21 02:54 <AliciaRaven> 64bit
2015-01-21 02:55 <AliciaRaven> if Ansariel has only applied that fix, then its just property lines not the texture fix that the commit message claims to fix
2015-01-21 02:56 <Tank-Master> might be all she got from lidusaito
2015-01-21 02:57 <AliciaRaven> if u can confirm thats the only patch of the three, i will re open the jira
2015-01-21 02:57 <smxy> I don't understand why it takes so long and is so painful to get this fixed. :(
2015-01-21 02:58 <Tank-Master> cus noone offers a patch, and most issues dont even get a jira?
2015-01-21 02:59 <AliciaRaven> i started these jira reports ages ago, didnt make the last release because too much work from the lindens was ahead in priority
2015-01-21 02:59 <smxy> And everyone works for free.
2015-01-21 02:59 <AliciaRaven> i would make a patch if i knew C++ lol
2015-01-21 02:59 <Tank-Master> :)
2015-01-21 02:59 <AliciaRaven> i only know C# tho
2015-01-21 03:00 <Tank-Master> i dont see any recent builds of windows 64bit avalible to me
2015-01-21 03:00 <AliciaRaven> any 32bit?
2015-01-21 03:00 <Tank-Master> only havox
2015-01-21 03:00 <AliciaRaven> k
2015-01-21 03:00 <Tank-Master> and its 6 days old, so i dont know if that fix is in it or not
2015-01-21 03:01 <AliciaRaven> i suspect that the FS fix will only be property lines then, so i will open that jira
2015-01-21 03:10 <AliciaRaven> http://jira.phoenixviewer.com/browse/FIRE-13902
2015-01-21 03:10 <AliciaRaven> i added a comment but i cant see away to reopen it?
2015-01-21 03:11 <osmantis> Bug #6701:04 Home Position Broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6701 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-01-21 03:12 <AliciaRaven> Tank-Master, is it only admins that can reopen a report?
2015-01-21 05:51 <Tank-Master> reopened FIRE-13902
2015-01-21 05:51 <smxy> Thanks!
2015-01-21 05:51 <AliciaRaven> thanks Tank-Master :)
2015-01-21 05:52 <Tank-Master> other suggestion would have been to open a new one linking to the other related issues, which would have been fine also
2015-01-21 05:57 <Tank_Master> yeay for spontanious disconnects
2015-01-21 05:57 <smxy> lol
2015-01-21 05:57 <AliciaRaven> i think the scientific term for that is net snot :)
2015-01-21 05:58 <AliciaRaven> looks like i missed an interesting dev meeting last night
2015-01-21 05:59 <Tank_Master> oh?
2015-01-21 05:59 <AliciaRaven> talking about adding a new asset service by mel for osgrid
2015-01-21 06:00 <AliciaRaven> high capasity, file system blob storage, deduplication... sounds perfect
2015-01-21 06:00 <Melanie_T> that sysem has been running avn for the past 4 years
2015-01-21 06:00 <AliciaRaven> i dont understand why justin is so against file based assets, its easier to manage a file system than a masive database
2015-01-21 06:00 <Melanie_T> now osg gets it
2015-01-21 06:01 <AliciaRaven> hi Mel, it sounds great, does it do anything about orphaned assets?
2015-01-21 06:01 <Melanie_T> justin may have a possibly unhealthy relationship with mysqldumo, although i doubt it
2015-01-21 06:02 <Melanie_T> no. orphaned (junk) assets are no concenr
2015-01-21 06:02 <Melanie_T> hard disks and/or servers are cheaper than the efort to clean
2015-01-21 06:03 <smxy> In your opinion.
2015-01-21 06:03 <AliciaRaven> last time i removed orphaned assets it was about 10% of the total assets
2015-01-21 06:03 <Melanie_T> deep inspection of asset usage and preservation of old centent (and uers DO come back after 2 years!) is too difficult
2015-01-21 06:04 <Melanie_T> for us (avn), trying to prune the database would mean a 20% increase in support queries, accessing paid staff
2015-01-21 06:04 <Melanie_T> hard disks are cheaper
2015-01-21 06:05 <Melanie_T> we carry about 7tb in assets
2015-01-21 06:05 <AliciaRaven> there are UUID gatherers for regions and inventory already existing, wouldnt be much of a stretch to use that code to mark assets as being referenced or not
2015-01-21 06:05 <Melanie_T> AliciaRaven: the issue is the oodles of txtures referenced in scripts onl
2015-01-21 06:05 <Tank_Master> you can store that on a single ondrive account! :P
2015-01-21 06:05 <Melanie_T> contained in assets not currently inworld
2015-01-21 06:05 <Tank_Master> onedrive*
2015-01-21 06:05 <AliciaRaven> yea i can understand u not wanting to risk messing with that much data
2015-01-21 06:05 <Melanie_T> the uuid gatherers would miss htem
2015-01-21 06:06 <Melanie_T> these items, mainly huds, but also texture organizers, woul stop working
2015-01-21 06:06 <AliciaRaven> i thought they parsed scripts and notecards for UUIDs? thats why it reports group uuids saying cant find asset
2015-01-21 06:06 <Melanie_T> our next calving will see us have 8 asset servers
2015-01-21 06:06 <Melanie_T> still negligible compared to the cost of sim servers
2015-01-21 06:07 <Melanie_T> and notecardss/scripts will only be parsed if in world. the uuid gatherers do no deep inventory data inpction
2015-01-21 06:07 <Melanie_T> its jyst not feasible
2015-01-21 06:07 <Melanie_T> so peopl who have been gone for 2 years
2015-01-21 06:07 <Melanie_T> maybe theur sim has been mooved to offline store
2015-01-21 06:08 <Melanie_T> would come back to a broken sim
2015-01-21 06:08 <Melanie_T> and probably not stay
2015-01-21 06:08 <Melanie_T> for LL and for us, HD space is just cheaper
2015-01-21 06:08 <Melanie_T> asset reaping is a nonissue
2015-01-21 06:09 <Melanie_T> deduplication is much more important
2015-01-21 06:09 <Melanie_T> ok, i'm off bb
2015-01-21 06:09 <AliciaRaven> k see ya :)
2015-01-21 06:15 <AliciaRaven> i can see melanies point, but just knowing that around 10% of assets are trash makes my brain itch, OCD i guess
2015-01-21 09:58 <osmantis> Bug #7421:04 ERROR - OpenSim.Framework.Util [UTIL]: Util STP Exception: System.NotSupportedException: The URI prefix is not recognized 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7421 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-21 10:04 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Delegate for TriggerOnNewInventoryItemUploadComplete failed - continuing. Document does not have a root element 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-21 10:57 <osmantis> Bug #7422:04 Request to Teleport Home when Hypergrid travelling and home region is offline fails rather than teleporting to fallback region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7422 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-21 14:57 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-21 15:11 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-21 15:14 <osmantis> Bug #7423:04 Missing inventory items 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7423 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-21 17:54 <smxy> Has anyone used Diva's master password feature to login as one of your residents? She said that's what she uses it for - to troubleshoot issues for them. I've used it to make IARs for my residents. But I have one I need to login as, to troubleshoot something, and it won't let me, saying that the salted password I gave doesn't match their salted password. I know I set it up right, as there 
2015-01-21 17:54 <smxy> was only two changes to be made, and it *does* work for letting me make IARs.
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2015-01-21 20:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #4010 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-21 20:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4010: SUCCESS in 4 min 36 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4010/
2015-01-21 20:43 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add debug ability to ignore reliably sent packets that are not acknowledged.
2015-01-21 20:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #4011 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-21 20:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4011: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4011/
2015-01-21 20:52 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Don't allow a failure in create a request in HeloService.Connector.Helo() to propogate up the stack.
2015-01-21 20:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #4012 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-21 20:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4012: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4012/
2015-01-21 20:59 <osjenkins> jjustincc: If the SnedInventoryAync() method receives an exception log this but make sure it does not terminate the process.
2015-01-21 21:03 <smxy> "Sned". Heh.
2015-01-21 21:06 <osmantis> Bug #7393:04 Visitors with high packet latency cause region to experience excessive lag and other performance issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7393 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-21 21:07 <osmantis> Bug #7393:04 Visitors with high packet latency cause region to experience excessive lag and other performance issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7393 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-01-21 21:10 <osmantis> Bug #7421:04 ERROR - OpenSim.Framework.Util [UTIL]: Util STP Exception: System.NotSupportedException: The URI prefix is not recognized 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7421 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2015-01-21 22:28 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-21 22:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #4013 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-21 22:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4013: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4013/
2015-01-21 22:33 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Stop currently unsettable display names from appearing when [ClientStack.LindenCaps] Cap_GetDisplayNames = "localhost" is set by never passing the username.
2015-01-22 01:04 <osmantis> Bug #7424:04 Tree Module only grows one type of tree at a time on one region at a time. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7424 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-22 02:12 <osmantis> Bug #7424:04 Tree Module only grows one type of tree at a time on one region at a time. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7424 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-22 03:59 <Ken_S> I created a new 3x3 var region with a new UUID.
2015-01-22 04:00 <Ken_S> It never asks about joining an existing estate, and
2015-01-22 04:00 <Ken_S> it shows no regions in the instance.
2015-01-22 04:00 <Ken_S> But no errors. Change the UUID 4 times and same thing.
2015-01-22 04:00 <Ken_S> Any ideas?
2015-01-22 04:13 <Ken_S> Had to manually use the create region command at the console.
2015-01-22 04:13 <Ken_S> Very strange
2015-01-22 04:16 <Ken_S> In 3+ years thats the first time I've ever had to manually create the region and estate.
2015-01-22 05:34 <SammyG3_> Ken_S, only thing close to that I know about is the setting in OpenSim.ini that will allow you to start an instance without a region.  Not sure if related. allow_regionless = false
2015-01-22 05:34 <SammyG3_> never used the option
2015-01-22 05:36 <SammyG3_> Also know under [Estates], one can set default estate values.
2015-01-22 14:07 <arfonzo> hi friends, I've just upgraded to the latest in git, and I'm having an application error while starting up now:
2015-01-22 14:08 <arfonzo> Exception: System.Exception: Could not load an ISimulationDataService implementation from OpenSim.Services.Connectors.dll:SimulationDataService, as configured in the LocalServiceModule parameter of the [SimulationDataStore] config section.
2015-01-22 14:08 <arfonzo>   at OpenSim.OpenSimBase.StartupSpecific () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
2015-01-22 14:08 <arfonzo>   at OpenSim.OpenSim.StartupSpecific () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
2015-01-22 14:08 <arfonzo>   at OpenSim.Framework.Servers.BaseOpenSimServer.Startup () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
2015-01-22 14:08 <arfonzo>   at OpenSim.Application.Main (System.String[] args) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
2015-01-22 14:08 <arfonzo> does anyone know how I might resolve this?
2015-01-22 14:08 <nebadon_laptop> arfonzo, make sure you have updated Grid.ini and GridHypergrid.ini files
2015-01-22 14:09 <arfonzo> nebadon_laptop, thanks. I just copied those over from my old instance. crap.
2015-01-22 14:09 <nebadon_laptop> yea i did the same thing
2015-01-22 14:10 <arfonzo> so i need to go over it manually then
2015-01-22 14:10 <nebadon_laptop> you should never be changing those files technically
2015-01-22 14:10 <nebadon_laptop> unless you like pain
2015-01-22 14:10 <arfonzo> indeed, i thought I hadn't, but clearly i must have in my "earlier days"
2015-01-22 14:12 <arfonzo> I'll go over that and retry later, thanks nebadon_laptop !
2015-01-22 14:13 <nebadon_laptop> cool, no prob
2015-01-22 14:16 <arfonzo> Hm, I've replaced Grid.ini and GridHypergrid.ini files with the one from the latest build, but I get the same error
2015-01-22 14:16 <arfonzo> I compared the versions I had: turns out I didn't make any changes in those files anyways, so a straight replacement should have worked
2015-01-22 14:17 <nebadon_laptop> hmm
2015-01-22 14:17 <arfonzo> I'm using Include-Arch StandaloneHypergrid in my OpenSim.ini, does that make a difference?
2015-01-22 14:17 <nebadon_laptop> only other time I have seen that happen is if you don't uncomment a mode at the very bottom of OpenSim.ini
2015-01-22 14:17 <nebadon_laptop> oh
2015-01-22 14:18 <nebadon_laptop> make sure Standalone.ini gets updated then too
2015-01-22 14:18 <nebadon_laptop> maybe you missed that one?
2015-01-22 14:18 <nebadon_laptop> i assumed you were in grid mode
2015-01-22 14:18 <arfonzo> sorry, no I'm standalone hypergrid... I'll check the Standalone.ini file
2015-01-22 14:18 <nebadon_laptop> ya update StandaloneHypergrid.ini too
2015-01-22 14:19 <nebadon_laptop> they all had changed recently
2015-01-22 14:19 <nebadon_laptop> using old one would cause this
2015-01-22 14:32 <arfonzo> darn, more errors. Something just ain't right. I'll have to work through it and perhaps start from all clean configs. ouch!
2015-01-22 14:32 <arfonzo> thanks anyways
2015-01-22 14:55 <arfonzo> hm, I'm testing a pretty much clean build at the moment, and I still get these errors:
2015-01-22 14:55 <arfonzo> 14:54:24 - [CONFIG]: Loading environment variables for Config
2015-01-22 14:55 <arfonzo> 14:54:24 - [APPLICATION]: 
2015-01-22 14:55 <arfonzo> APPLICATION EXCEPTION DETECTED: System.UnhandledExceptionEventArgs
2015-01-22 14:55 <arfonzo> Exception: System.ArgumentException: Expand config not found: Const
2015-01-22 15:14 <arfonzo> ah, there's a new [Const] clause in the main OpenSim.ini file now
2015-01-22 15:27 <arfonzo> In a Standalone HG, what should the PublicPort and PrivatePort be? My login URI is on port 9000
2015-01-22 15:29 <AllenKerensky> arfonzo one guess is to put 9000 for both
2015-01-22 15:30 <arfonzo> that's what I thought, but I wasn't sure, I'll try that, thanks
2015-01-22 17:09 <smxy> arfonzo: I'm heading out to lunch, so I can't stay to troubleshoot, but I can say that standalone HG works fine, as I have two running Dev Master HEAD, right now.
2015-01-22 18:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #4014 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-22 19:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4014: SUCCESS in 15 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4014/
2015-01-22 19:01 <osjenkins> diva: On the GridService, the central simulator features: ensure that the map tile url ends with '/' because the viewer is dumb and just appends to it.
2015-01-22 21:56 <osmantis> Bug #7425:04 Map search is only returning one match even though there may be many matches. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7425 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-22 22:09 <osmantis> Bug #7425:04 Map search is only returning one match even though there may be many matches. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7425 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-01-22 22:23 <osmantis> Bug #7425:04 Map search is only returning one match even though there may be many matches. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7425 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-22 22:23 <Tank_Master> bugz bugz bugz! 
2015-01-22 22:29 <smxy> Always. :)
2015-01-22 22:30 <Tank_Master> job security!
2015-01-22 22:31 <smxy> Unless you create too many. :)
2015-01-22 22:36 <Tank_Master> lol
2015-01-22 22:36 <Tank_Master> job security for someoen else!
2015-01-22 22:36 <smxy> Yes, better to be the bug zapper than creator. :)
2015-01-22 22:37 <osmantis> Bug #7425:04 Map search is only returning one match even though there may be many matches. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7425 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-01-22 22:56 <smxy> Now that I'm off work, I'll update and see if I can reproduce Ken's issue.
2015-01-22 23:06 <GhostFace> I am trying to build 3p-fmodex using autobuild (in windows7, 64bit, with VS 2010 - i have used powershell, cygwin, and cmd). Everytime I use the command "autobuild"  I get "'python' is not recognized as an internal or external command," although the commands "python" and "py" run python just fine when issued without autobuild. Also, I have the paths to autobuild and python set in my PATH variables. Any ideas what I am doing wro
2015-01-22 23:25 <smxy> What is 3p-fmodex?
2015-01-22 23:26 <GhostFace> 30-fmodex is an external library for the viewer.
2015-01-22 23:27 <smxy> If there are any viewer people in here who maybe could answer, it might help if you mentioned which viewer, if it matters.
2015-01-22 23:28 <GhostFace> The problem persists in both Firestorm and Singularity but I believe its more of a autobuild issue in Windows I am experiencing. autobuild is something produced by LL that I am not too familiar with.
2015-01-22 23:38 <dahlia> GhostFace: you may have better luck asking in #SingularityViewer
2015-01-22 23:38 <GhostFace> I have, they are extremely unhelpful
2015-01-22 23:41 <Tank_Master> in general, getting help from singularity is next to impossible
2015-01-22 23:42 <LiruCookies> It's not unhelpful, it's a fact that Singularity doesn't use autobuild!  And Singularity has the compiler download and install FMOD Ex as a package, so we don't have a 3p-fmodex that would need autobuild.
2015-01-22 23:42 <LiruCookies> His issue is not related to Singularity at all.
2015-01-22 23:42 <Tank_Master> isnt that right, CmdrCupcake? :P
2015-01-22 23:42 <CmdrCupcake> Wot. I just joined.
2015-01-22 23:43 <CmdrCupcake> 
ACTION is still trying to fix his irc config again

2015-01-22 23:43 <Tank_Master> congratz! :D
2015-01-22 23:43 <dahlia> I only recommended #SingularityViewer as it's the only viewer channel I'm aware of that has activity
2015-01-22 23:43 <LiruCookies> Next to impossible? I'm providing support round the clock most of the time, but I've no business wasting time on issues that are out of Singularity's actual scope.
2015-01-22 23:44 <Tank_Master> theres #opensl and #phoenixviewer-dev
2015-01-22 23:44 <Tank_Master> true, LiruCookies
2015-01-23 00:01 <osmantis> Bug #7425:04 Map search is only returning one match even though there may be many matches. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7425 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-23 00:07 <osmantis> Bug #7425:04 Map search is only returning one match even though there may be many matches. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7425 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-23 00:12 <osmantis> Bug #7425:04 Map search is only returning one match even though there may be many matches. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7425 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-23 00:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #4015 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-23 00:30 <smxy> I knew I should have waited to update. :)
2015-01-23 00:30 <justincc> :)
2015-01-23 00:30 <AllenKerensky> bonus compile time
2015-01-23 00:30 <smxy> hehe
2015-01-23 00:32 <osmantis> Bug #7425:04 Map search is only returning one match even though there may be many matches. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7425 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-23 00:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4015: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4015/
2015-01-23 00:32 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix regression where the stored state of every second script in an object rezzed from inventory (e.g. attachments) was no longer loaded.
2015-01-23 00:40 <smxy> I tried what you just added, Ken_S, still can't reproduce it on my system.
2015-01-23 00:40 <smxy> Strange.
2015-01-23 00:42 <Ken_S> smyx, yes it is very odd behavior indeed.
2015-01-23 00:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #4016 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-23 00:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4016: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4016/
2015-01-23 00:51 <osjenkins> jjustincc: When deleting an assembly before re-compile, make sure its attributes allow deletion.
2015-01-23 00:55 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-01-23 05:10 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-23 13:33 <osmantis> Bug #7423:04 Missing inventory items 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7423 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-01-23 15:47 <mheilman> I have a small grid where scripting appears to be broken after gridwide restart (only os updates, no binary changes for Opensim)
2015-01-23 15:47 <mheilman> I am seeing "Error running mcs: Cannot find the specified file" in the script editor.
2015-01-23 15:51 <mheilman> Any tips on how to even approach this?
2015-01-23 15:56 <mheilman> Any help with MCS errors?
2015-01-23 16:01 <KeyGruin> http://forums.osgrid.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5047
2015-01-23 16:05 <mheilman> I saw that already.  She was missing part of her mono source.  I am using mono-complete on ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS.  It was also working before a grid restart
2015-01-23 16:05 <mheilman> this is a functional grid where this problem appeared suddenly
2015-01-23 16:42 <smxy> Sounds like your OS update changed your mono installation.
2015-01-23 16:42 <nebadon_laptop> 
ACTION waves from sweden!

2015-01-23 16:42 <smxy> hi nebadon_laptop!
2015-01-23 16:43 <nebadon_laptop> hello
2015-01-23 16:43 <smxy> Bring me back a hot guy named Sven, will you? :p
2015-01-23 16:43 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2015-01-23 16:54 <mheilman> smxy, that is what I am investigating now.  And excellently, I have a near identical larger grid that I did the same updates to, which is working fine
2015-01-23 17:06 <nebadon_laptop> heay Michael
2015-01-23 17:06 <mheilman> Hey nebadon
2015-01-23 17:06 <nebadon_laptop> since your here, you remember those changes i emailed you guys for Moses grid?
2015-01-23 17:06 <nebadon_laptop> they do not seem to be implemented on FCVW
2015-01-23 17:07 <nebadon_laptop> could you do that? we have been having terrible performance issues
2015-01-23 17:07 <mheilman> I can look, but right now its FCVW that scripting isnt working on, so proirities
2015-01-23 17:07 <nebadon_laptop> ya don't drop what you are doing or anything
2015-01-23 17:07 <nebadon_laptop> but as soon as you can would be great
2015-01-23 17:08 <nebadon_laptop> I know why scripting isnt working btw
2015-01-23 17:08 <nebadon_laptop> thats one of the changes
2015-01-23 17:08 <mheilman> that could be good news..except scripting stopped during a grid restart.....
2015-01-23 17:09 <mheilman> not during a config change
2015-01-23 17:09 <nebadon_laptop> AppDomainLoading = false needs to be set
2015-01-23 17:09 <mheilman> let me dig for that email
2015-01-23 17:09 <nebadon_laptop> and yes, it was just a matter of time before it broke
2015-01-23 17:09 <nebadon_laptop> eventually you hit a wall with linux if its set to true
2015-01-23 17:09 <nebadon_laptop> and thats exactly what happens
2015-01-23 17:10 <nebadon_laptop> you restart it and everything dies
2015-01-23 17:10 <mheilman> well dang, I'll test that now
2015-01-23 17:10 <nebadon_laptop> thanks
2015-01-23 17:10 <nebadon_laptop> i was going over the inis last night
2015-01-23 17:10 <nebadon_laptop> and realized none of the fixes were in place
2015-01-23 17:10 <nebadon_laptop> which explains a lot
2015-01-23 17:10 <nebadon_laptop> glad you guys exposed them on the web interface
2015-01-23 17:10 <nebadon_laptop> very helpful
2015-01-23 17:10 <mheilman> I'm sorry I missed those.  The grunt of them were mysql changes, I thought I had gone through the entire list
2015-01-23 17:11 <nebadon_laptop> no worries
2015-01-23 17:11 <nebadon_laptop> im just glad they werent in place and we were still having trouble
2015-01-23 17:11 <nebadon_laptop> that was very concerning to me
2015-01-23 17:12 <nebadon_laptop> ya there is just a few ini changes
2015-01-23 17:12 <nebadon_laptop> but they are doozies
2015-01-23 17:12 <nebadon_laptop> like the Warp3D Maptile timer
2015-01-23 17:12 <nebadon_laptop> turn that off
2015-01-23 17:12 <nebadon_laptop> its evil in carnate
2015-01-23 17:12 <nebadon_laptop> memory leak city
2015-01-23 17:12 <mheilman> I'm afraid I am not finding your email
2015-01-23 17:13 <nebadon_laptop> let me have a look see if i can find it
2015-01-23 17:13 <mheilman> I see the message tree after I made the changes on MOSES, but not the original
2015-01-23 17:15 <nebadon_laptop> forwarded again
2015-01-23 17:15 <nebadon_laptop> it was deep inside about 10 responses
2015-01-23 17:15 <mheilman> ok, thanks
2015-01-23 17:16 <nebadon_laptop> these changes should make a world of difference
2015-01-23 17:16 <mheilman> wow, I was looking in the wrong email address, no wonder I couldn't find it
2015-01-23 17:16 <nebadon_laptop> ah heh ya
2015-01-23 17:16 <nebadon_laptop> i have a bunch of them
2015-01-23 17:16 <nebadon_laptop> too many infact lol
2015-01-23 17:28 <mheilman> Exception: System.ArgumentException: Invalid value: 311040000000
2015-01-23 17:28 <mheilman> Parameter name: interval
2015-01-23 17:28 <nebadon_laptop> wierd
2015-01-23 17:28 <mheilman> what were the units on that one?
2015-01-23 17:30 <nebadon_laptop> not sure what that is
2015-01-23 17:30 <nebadon_laptop> you are seeing that on simulator startup?
2015-01-23 17:30 <mheilman> yes
2015-01-23 17:31 <mheilman> here is the longer trace
2015-01-23 17:31 <mheilman> APPLICATION EXCEPTION DETECTED: System.UnhandledExceptionEventArgs
2015-01-23 17:31 <mheilman> Exception: System.ArgumentException: Invalid value: 311040000000
2015-01-23 17:31 <mheilman> Parameter name: interval
2015-01-23 17:31 <mheilman>   at System.Timers.Timer..ctor (Double interval) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
2015-01-23 17:31 <mheilman>   at (wrapper remoting-invoke-with-check) System.Timers.Timer:.ctor (double)
2015-01-23 17:31 <mheilman>   at OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.Asset.FlotsamAssetCache.Initialise (IConfigSource source) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
2015-01-23 17:31 <mheilman>   at OpenSim.ApplicationPlugins.RegionModulesController.RegionModulesControllerPlugin.Initialise (OpenSim.OpenSimBase openSim) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
2015-01-23 17:31 <mheilman>   at OpenSim.ApplicationPluginInitialiser.Initialise (IPlugin plugin) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
2015-01-23 17:31 <mheilman>   at OpenSim.Framework.PluginLoader`1[OpenSim.IApplicationPlugin].Load () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
2015-01-23 17:31 <mheilman>   at OpenSim.Framework.PluginLoader`1[OpenSim.IApplicationPlugin].Load (System.String extpoint) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
2015-01-23 17:31 <mheilman>   at OpenSim.OpenSimBase.LoadPlugins () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
2015-01-23 17:31 <mheilman>   at OpenSim.OpenSimBase.StartupSpecific () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
2015-01-23 17:32 <mheilman>   at OpenSim.OpenSim.StartupSpecific () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
2015-01-23 17:32 <mheilman>   at OpenSim.Framework.Servers.BaseOpenSimServer.Startup () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
2015-01-23 17:32 <mheilman>   at OpenSim.Application.Main (System.String[] args) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
2015-01-23 17:32 <mheilman> Application is terminating: True
2015-01-23 17:32 <nebadon_laptop> aha flotsam cache
2015-01-23 17:32 <nebadon_laptop> maybe check the FlotsamCache.ini
2015-01-23 17:32 <nebadon_laptop> in config-include
2015-01-23 17:33 <nebadon_laptop> ive never seen this before though, new to me
2015-01-23 17:34 <mheilman> I dont have a FlotsamCache.ini
2015-01-23 17:35 <nebadon_laptop> maybe that is your problem heh
2015-01-23 17:35 <nebadon_laptop> is there an example there atleast?
2015-01-23 17:35 <mheilman> in my mind I'm comparing it to MOSES, which is deployed similarly, and also does not have a FlotsamCache.ini
2015-01-23 17:35 <mheilman> the example is, yes
2015-01-23 17:36 <nebadon_laptop> hmmm
2015-01-23 17:37 <nebadon_laptop> that really is a wierd error
2015-01-23 17:37 <mheilman> I will point out, that MGM deploys without using config-include.  All configuratin options are forced into OpenSim.ini directly
2015-01-23 17:37 <nebadon_laptop> maybe grep for "311040000000
2015-01-23 17:37 <nebadon_laptop> "
2015-01-23 17:37 <nebadon_laptop> ah ok
2015-01-23 17:37 <nebadon_laptop> so do you have the flotsamcache init stuff in their maybe?
2015-01-23 17:37 <nebadon_laptop> probably is
2015-01-23 17:38 <nebadon_laptop> grep for even partial on that
2015-01-23 17:38 <mheilman> I see that number...in OpenSim.log
2015-01-23 17:38 <nebadon_laptop> ya but not in the inis?
2015-01-23 17:38 <nebadon_laptop> that is bizzaro
2015-01-23 17:38 <nebadon_laptop> this looks like an ini read error
2015-01-23 17:38 <mheilman> nope.  I vaguely remember hitting something like this before, and there was a unit conversion, so the ini did not hold that number, but were still responsible
2015-01-23 17:38 <nebadon_laptop> but it shouldnt crash hard like that
2015-01-23 17:38 <mheilman> this was months and months ago though
2015-01-23 17:39 <nebadon_laptop> ya its probably a typo some where maybe
2015-01-23 17:39 <nebadon_laptop> just a single region is doing this?
2015-01-23 17:39 <mheilman> no, all of FCVW is now that I've put in your recommended changes
2015-01-23 17:40 <nebadon_laptop> eek
2015-01-23 17:40 <mheilman> but they are centrally managed, so I modified all of their configs at the grid level using a database
2015-01-23 17:40 <nebadon_laptop> let me look
2015-01-23 17:40 <nebadon_laptop> this has to be a typo some where
2015-01-23 17:40 <nebadon_laptop> only thing I can imagine
2015-01-23 17:40 <mheilman> I have also contrasted those changes with MOSES, which again is almost identical, and it is running fine
2015-01-23 17:40 <nebadon_laptop> how odd
2015-01-23 17:40 <nebadon_laptop> same mono?
2015-01-23 17:41 <mheilman> same version, yeah
2015-01-23 17:41 <mheilman> they are all ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS
2015-01-23 17:41 <nebadon_laptop> are you eyeballing? or real diff?
2015-01-23 17:41 <nebadon_laptop> i would run a real diff
2015-01-23 17:41 <mheilman> using the mono-complete package
2015-01-23 17:41 <mheilman> I'll pull some down and diff them
2015-01-23 17:41 <nebadon_laptop> i can't tell you how many times ive done it by eye, only to have someone in 5 seconds point out a typo
2015-01-23 17:48 <mheilman> I did find a type.  Otherwise, MOSES has adaptive throttles turned off, and persist baked textures on
2015-01-23 17:48 <mheilman> *typo, ironically enough
2015-01-23 17:48 <nebadon_laptop> hehe
2015-01-23 17:48 <nebadon_laptop> did it fix the error?
2015-01-23 17:48 <mheilman> negative.
2015-01-23 17:48 <nebadon_laptop> huh
2015-01-23 17:51 <mheilman> found it.
2015-01-23 17:52 <nebadon_laptop> AHA
2015-01-23 17:52 <mheilman> we set FileCleanupTimer to 86400.  On MOSES it is only set to 24, and it runs.  I believe it performs an internal conversion from hours to seconds
2015-01-23 17:52 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2015-01-23 17:52 <nebadon_laptop> 311040000000 = 86400
2015-01-23 17:53 <nebadon_laptop> its ms to hour
2015-01-23 17:53 <nebadon_laptop> http://convert-units.info/time/millisecond/311040000000
2015-01-23 17:53 <nebadon_laptop> i googled that number heh
2015-01-23 17:53 <mheilman> I was pulling off the top of my head.  Funny that its the same problem I hit before
2015-01-23 17:53 <nebadon_laptop> getting desperate
2015-01-23 17:54 <nebadon_laptop> funny we both had epiphany at same moment lol
2015-01-23 17:54 <mheilman> OK, changes are in......and the scripting still isnt working
2015-01-23 17:54 <nebadon_laptop> delete the script dlls maybe
2015-01-23 17:54 <nebadon_laptop> have you tried that yet?
2015-01-23 17:54 <mheilman> I did, yes
2015-01-23 17:54 <nebadon_laptop> hrmm
2015-01-23 17:55 <nebadon_laptop> and its totally not working at all?
2015-01-23 17:55 <nebadon_laptop> any errors or just no response what so ever?
2015-01-23 17:55 <mheilman> I am getting "Error running mcs: Cannot find the specified file" in the scripts window
2015-01-23 17:55 <mheilman> no errors on the console
2015-01-23 17:55 <nebadon_laptop> hrmmm
2015-01-23 17:55 <nebadon_laptop> that almost looks like a mono issue
2015-01-23 17:56 <nebadon_laptop> i think it is
2015-01-23 17:56 <mheilman> thats what I;ve been told.  I did a dist-upgrade this morning that I can blame, but once again...MOSES is fine on the same version
2015-01-23 17:56 <nebadon_laptop> path error for mono
2015-01-23 17:56 <nebadon_laptop> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26202778/how-to-set-path-to-mono-so-supervisor-knows-about-it
2015-01-23 17:56 <nebadon_laptop> see if this helps
2015-01-23 17:56 <nebadon_laptop> your using the system mono though
2015-01-23 17:56 <nebadon_laptop> wierd
2015-01-23 17:56 <nebadon_laptop> you reboot box after dup?
2015-01-23 17:57 <mheilman> dup?
2015-01-23 17:57 <nebadon_laptop> dist upgrade
2015-01-23 17:57 <mheilman> sure did
2015-01-23 17:58 <nebadon_laptop> humm
2015-01-23 17:58 <nebadon_laptop> i would suggest uninstall mono-complete
2015-01-23 17:58 <nebadon_laptop> and re-install it
2015-01-23 17:58 <nebadon_laptop> this is absolutely a mono issue
2015-01-23 17:59 <mheilman> hah, I tried that, it reinstalled quickly from cached packages.  I am recompiling on one of the systems in question in case its a gotcha
2015-01-23 17:59 <nebadon_laptop> k cool good idea
2015-01-23 18:02 <mheilman> negative.  That was a long shot anyways
2015-01-23 18:02 <nebadon_laptop> wierd
2015-01-23 18:02 <nebadon_laptop> i always compile mono myself
2015-01-23 18:02 <nebadon_laptop> maybe restart bash session?
2015-01-23 18:02 <nebadon_laptop> that seems unlikely to work though either
2015-01-23 18:02 <mheilman> I've done that before, but on this many machines, I let the packages do the hard part
2015-01-23 18:03 <nebadon_laptop> yea
2015-01-23 18:03 <nebadon_laptop> is this centos?
2015-01-23 18:03 <mheilman> nah, ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS
2015-01-23 18:03 <nebadon_laptop> hrmm
2015-01-23 18:03 <nebadon_laptop> that definitely should just work
2015-01-23 18:03 <mheilman> I'll give the machine a restart
2015-01-23 18:03 <nebadon_laptop> yea worth a shot
2015-01-23 18:04 <mheilman> I'm not itching to rebuild, but i might have to try it
2015-01-23 18:04 <nebadon_laptop> the entire VM?
2015-01-23 18:04 <nebadon_laptop> or rebuild what?
2015-01-23 18:04 <mheilman> the VM.  I have the database and frontend on other machines, so its not terrible
2015-01-23 18:04 <nebadon_laptop> yea
2015-01-23 18:05 <nebadon_laptop> distupgrades on vms is a crap shoot somtimes i find
2015-01-23 18:05 <mheilman> I would have disagreed until this morning
2015-01-23 18:05 <nebadon_laptop> guess it depends on the environment too
2015-01-23 18:05 <nebadon_laptop> kernel changes can be bad
2015-01-23 18:05 <nebadon_laptop> most of the time its ok
2015-01-23 18:05 <nebadon_laptop> always good to test on a dumby machine first before deploying to wide
2015-01-23 18:07 <mheilman> I still believe it could be some config somewhere.  It is hitting all of FCVW, and none of MOSES, and I keep them in lockstep for updates
2015-01-23 18:07 <nebadon_laptop> yea that is odd for sure
2015-01-23 18:09 <mheilman> but I have to say, startup is very fast without scripts
2015-01-23 18:10 <nebadon_laptop> lol yea
2015-01-23 18:10 <nebadon_laptop> make sure you have it set to not delete script binary on startup
2015-01-23 18:10 <nebadon_laptop> that will increase startup times by a considerably amount
2015-01-23 18:11 <nebadon_laptop> not sure if that is covered in my suggestions
2015-01-23 18:11 <nebadon_laptop> it is
2015-01-23 18:11 <mheilman> yes, I have that
2015-01-23 18:20 <Ken_S> Nebadon_laptop, I found a box in a store on one of my sims that
2015-01-23 18:20 <Ken_S> says I can modify the object when editing it, but
2015-01-23 18:21 <Ken_S> all the area is grayed out to set the object for sale.
2015-01-23 18:21 <nebadon_laptop> toggle allow copy on and off
2015-01-23 18:21 <Ken_S> It is grayed out too
2015-01-23 18:21 <nebadon_laptop> no idea why but this sometimes fixes wierd things like that
2015-01-23 18:21 <nebadon_laptop> hrmm
2015-01-23 18:22 <nebadon_laptop> your not the owner I presume
2015-01-23 18:22 <nebadon_laptop> or are you?
2015-01-23 18:22 <Ken_S> Its the only thing I've found in the store with this problem.
2015-01-23 18:22 <nebadon_laptop> probably a bad flag in the db
2015-01-23 18:22 <nebadon_laptop> ive seen it before
2015-01-23 18:22 <Ken_S> No Im not the owner, it is a sim I host and the owner needed help with this.
2015-01-23 18:22 <nebadon_laptop> if it has a unique name search for it in the prims db
2015-01-23 18:22 <nebadon_laptop> compare the flags to something that is working correctly
2015-01-23 18:23 <Ken_S> Everything in the permissions box is grayed out except the drop down to set the touch behavior.
2015-01-23 18:23 <nebadon_laptop> yea sounds like bad flags, i remember something like this happening on wright plaza
2015-01-23 18:23 <nebadon_laptop> i ended up doing a replace
2015-01-23 18:24 <nebadon_laptop> for everything that had similar flags to a brand new cube i just rezzed
2015-01-23 18:24 <Ken_S> and if I try to set that to "Buy" it says I cannot do that because the object is not set for sale... which I cannot change lol
2015-01-23 18:24 <nebadon_laptop> then everything was fine again, i never did figure out what caused it
2015-01-23 18:24 <nebadon_laptop> yea
2015-01-23 18:24 <Ken_S> I'll probably just replace it.
2015-01-23 18:24 <nebadon_laptop> once the flag goes bad its difficult to fix via the viewer if not impossible
2015-01-23 18:25 <Ken_S> Yes that seems to be the case.
2015-01-23 18:26 <Ken_S> I also noticed that some of her things for sale have changed.
2015-01-23 18:26 <nebadon_laptop> try this
2015-01-23 18:26 <nebadon_laptop> take a copy of that object
2015-01-23 18:26 <nebadon_laptop> put it into a cube contents tab
2015-01-23 18:26 <nebadon_laptop> and try blasting permissions that way
2015-01-23 18:26 <nebadon_laptop> probably wont work, but worth a shot
2015-01-23 18:26 <Ken_S> Some of them when touched ask if it is OK to open the browser to view a web site.
2015-01-23 18:26 <nebadon_laptop> script maybe?
2015-01-23 18:27 <Ken_S> Have no idea how those got changed
2015-01-23 18:27 <Ken_S> But I can set those back to "Buy" and they are fine.
2015-01-23 18:27 <Ken_S> I'll try the box thing on that one object
2015-01-23 18:27 <nebadon_laptop> yea worth a shot
2015-01-23 18:36 <Ken_S> Yea, that fixed it.
2015-01-23 18:36 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2015-01-23 18:36 <nebadon_laptop> sometimes i have good ideas :P
2015-01-23 18:37 <Ken_S> I wonder how many other things are messed up in her other stores.
2015-01-23 18:37 <Ken_S> Neb you always have good ideas!
2015-01-23 18:37 <nebadon_laptop> :)
2015-01-23 18:37 <Ken_S> At first she thought a griefer had somehow changed a lot of things.
2015-01-23 18:37 <Ken_S> Now Im just not sure.
2015-01-23 18:37 <nebadon_laptop> probably not
2015-01-23 18:38 <nebadon_laptop> is this particular item set to anyone can copy
2015-01-23 18:38 <nebadon_laptop> ?
2015-01-23 18:38 <Ken_S> I think its time to reboot my modem, router, and servers.
2015-01-23 18:38 <nebadon_laptop> ive seen random wierdness happen before with that
2015-01-23 18:38 <Ken_S> Yes they are all set to allow copy or buy.
2015-01-23 18:39 <nebadon_laptop> yea its unlikely its a griefer or someone stealing
2015-01-23 18:39 <Ken_S> Or... they were set to Buy on touch, but many have changed
2015-01-23 18:39 <nebadon_laptop> if its already set to copy lol
2015-01-23 18:39 <nebadon_laptop> i dont think we have ever really found a cause for that
2015-01-23 18:39 <nebadon_laptop> but it can spontaneously occur
2015-01-23 18:39 <nebadon_laptop> maybe memory glitch or packet loss
2015-01-23 18:40 <Ken_S> Yes, another good reason to reboot everything.
2015-01-23 18:40 <nebadon_laptop> yea
2015-01-23 18:40 <nebadon_laptop> can't hurt
2015-01-23 18:40 <Ken_S> Havent rebooted the modem or router in 6 months
2015-01-23 18:53 <mheilman> I just rebuild on of the region hosts, fresh everything, same mcs problem
2015-01-23 18:53 <nebadon_laptop> blah
2015-01-23 18:53 <nebadon_laptop> what the hell
2015-01-23 18:53 <nebadon_laptop> im pretty sure its a path issue for mono
2015-01-23 18:54 <mheilman> mcs and mono are both under /usr/bin, I'm not sure how else to check that
2015-01-23 18:55 <nebadon_laptop> maybe set .bashrc variables yourself
2015-01-23 18:56 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44
2015-01-23 18:56 <nebadon_laptop> scroll down to bottom where i do .bashrc
2015-01-23 18:56 <nebadon_laptop> just as a test
2015-01-23 18:58 <mheilman> I just recalled, mgmNode is running as an upstart service as my user, and launches regions on command.  If the upstart environment has reconfigured its-self, it may not be as complete as a user session
2015-01-23 19:01 <nebadon_laptop> ah
2015-01-23 19:01 <nebadon_laptop> its definitely a path problem im quite sure of that
2015-01-23 19:01 <mheilman> yes, I think you are right
2015-01-23 19:02 <mheilman> I just launched a region manually, which I hadnt done before except for testing that error, and scripting is running on that region
2015-01-23 19:02 <mheilman> same configs and everything
2015-01-23 19:06 <nebadon_laptop> cool
2015-01-23 19:13 <mheilman> I have it narrowed down, FCVW was still deleting scripts until a bit ago.  It exhibited the error first.  MOSES did not, because it already does not delete scripts.  Opensim scripting is working, it just cant compile new scripts.  I am looking at environment variables in my launch code
2015-01-23 19:16 <mheilman> Wow, this is really embarrassing; I have uncovered a bug in MGM.....
2015-01-23 19:23 <mheilman> it was a path problem, but I modified my launch code, and it was failing to pass environment variables into the regions' runtime.
2015-01-23 19:41 <nebadon_laptop> cool, all is working now?
2015-01-23 19:42 <smxy> I'm trying to fix something that's been broken in my test Robust grid for a long time. Whenever I start robust, and every few seconds any time a user is logged in, I get this: http://pastebin.com/bLDmPZ2B and if I try to create a group, I get an error popup that tells me it failed with an unknow method and I get this at the robust console: http://pastebin.com/Y7kC2FA4 All of the group 
2015-01-23 19:42 <smxy> tables are empty, which is fine, as I have another test grid that doesn't have this problem and all of its group tables are empty too. This is driving me nuts.
2015-01-23 19:42 <smxy> The grid is running HEAD from yesterday, BTW.
2015-01-23 19:43 <smxy> My production grid doesn't have this issue either.
2015-01-23 19:44 <smxy> Groups V2, all around.
2015-01-23 19:45 <nebadon_laptop> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6889
2015-01-23 19:45 <nebadon_laptop> solution there
2015-01-23 19:45 <nebadon_laptop> give it a shot
2015-01-23 19:46 <smxy> Mine isn't crashing. Just gives me that error over and over.
2015-01-23 19:46 <nebadon_laptop> ah not exactly the same though
2015-01-23 19:46 <nebadon_laptop> yea
2015-01-23 19:47 <nebadon_laptop> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Troubleshooting#Got_.22Primitive:_Error_compiling_script:_unknown_char:_._error.22_when_compiling_script
2015-01-23 19:47 <nebadon_laptop> another possible soluation
2015-01-23 19:48 <nebadon_laptop> its either something like this or bad data in the database
2015-01-23 19:48 <smxy> It seems to be complaining that it can't access some group data, but all the group* tables are empty.
2015-01-23 19:48 <nebadon_laptop> you compare the group section of ini to a configuration that is not complaining?
2015-01-23 19:49 <smxy> Oh, I wouldn't be surprised if there's bad data, but I can't seem to track it down so I can remove or fix it.
2015-01-23 19:49 <smxy> Yes.
2015-01-23 19:49 <smxy> The only thing different about the three grids' config is name, ports and database.
2015-01-23 19:49 <nebadon_laptop> try this > env LANG=C mono --debug OpenSim.exe
2015-01-23 19:49 <nebadon_laptop> just as a test
2015-01-23 19:50 <nebadon_laptop> im not sure though honestly
2015-01-23 19:50 <nebadon_laptop> do they connect to same mysql server?
2015-01-23 19:50 <nebadon_laptop> the working and non working
2015-01-23 19:50 <smxy> The unlnown method thing seems weird though, but that I only get if I try to create a group.
2015-01-23 19:51 <smxy> Methods are a code thing, not data in the db.
2015-01-23 19:51 <smxy> Same mysql server, but different databases.
2015-01-23 19:51 <nebadon_laptop> seems to be failing on a query though
2015-01-23 19:52 <smxy> Ooh, I should turn on mysql error logging (if it isn't already).
2015-01-23 19:52 <smxy> Maybe I can find the query that way.
2015-01-23 19:55 <smxy> I want to upgrade to MariaDB, but not until after I resolve this issue.
2015-01-23 20:00 <Ken_S> Ive been using MariaDB 10 with windows for a while now.
2015-01-23 20:00 <Ken_S> It is MUCH better that the standard MySQL package
2015-01-23 20:06 <smxy> Yes, one of my test grids is using MariaDB 10. It's very nice.
2015-01-23 20:06 <smxy> But I don't want there to be any problems with the MySQL server before I replace it.
2015-01-23 20:06 <smxy> You know - GIGO. Want to avoid that. :)
2015-01-23 20:07 <Ken_S> smxy, sure! :)
2015-01-23 20:14 <smxy> Now, if I could just get the damn query log to turn on ...
2015-01-23 20:17 <smxy> There we go ...
2015-01-23 20:35 <mheilman> sorry nebadon, yes, all working now
2015-01-23 20:35 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2015-01-23 20:35 <nebadon_laptop> should i have my team log in and beat on it with sticks?
2015-01-23 20:35 <mheilman> if you like.  I also had a texture problem that arose out of the update that I fixed, so a good test should flush out anything else
2015-01-23 20:36 <nebadon_laptop> ok great I will let them know
2015-01-23 20:38 <smxy> So, question: Is any information about what groups exist or that someone is in, exist outside of any os_groups* tables?
2015-01-23 20:39 <nebadon_laptop> could be yes
2015-01-23 20:40 <nebadon_laptop> there are group references on prims
2015-01-23 20:40 <smxy> It keeps looking for a particular GroupID (as a UUID) in os_groups_groups
2015-01-23 20:40 <smxy> There were groups in this grid once upon a time, but the group tables got blasted.
2015-01-23 20:40 <nebadon_laptop> the prims table can have groups info
2015-01-23 20:40 <nebadon_laptop> uuid references 
2015-01-23 20:41 <nebadon_laptop> that would trigger a look up
2015-01-23 20:41 <nebadon_laptop> it shouldnt really spew though
2015-01-23 20:41 <nebadon_laptop> unless something changed
2015-01-23 20:41 <smxy> Yes, if it doesn't find it, it should be no big deal I'd think.
2015-01-23 20:41 <nebadon_laptop> yea
2015-01-23 20:41 <nebadon_laptop> the potential for that happening is very great
2015-01-23 20:42 <smxy> I wish I could turn on the query log for just a particular DB. It would make this vastly easier to read.
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2015-01-23 22:48 <smxy> I *finally* resolved that issue.
2015-01-23 22:48 <smxy> I did a db schema comparision between the working grid's db and the broken one.
2015-01-23 22:49 <smxy> There was a characterset issue. I changed it and it just started working.
2015-01-23 22:49 <smxy> I can create groups now.
2015-01-23 22:50 <smxy> Thank you, dbForge Studio. ;)
2015-01-23 22:53 <smxy> Apparently once you create a group, you can't delete it or leave it if you are the only one in it? You are stuck in it forever?
2015-01-23 22:53 <smxy> Shouldn't we be able to delete groups?
2015-01-23 22:57 <smxy> Without editing the DB, I mean.
2015-01-23 23:05 <Ken_S> I see this message quite often in the destination sim log file when a teleport fails:
2015-01-23 23:05 <Ken_S> "17:03:26 - [SCENE PRESENCE]: Update agent Ken Savage never arrived..."
2015-01-23 23:05 <justincc> I don't know, though I can see a possible problem with deleting groups as being like deleting users
2015-01-23 23:06 <justincc> smxy: in that objects belonging to those groups will resolve to 'unknown group' or similarly messy things
2015-01-23 23:06 <smxy> So if I create a test group, I can't ever leave it.
2015-01-23 23:07 <Ken_S> The teleport failures most often happen when teleporting to or from a var region.
2015-01-23 23:07 <justincc> smxy: I don't know enough about groups to really say.  Are you allowed to on the linden grid?
2015-01-23 23:08 <smxy> Not sure.
2015-01-23 23:08 <smxy> Here, it's saying I can't leave it unless I make someone else owner.
2015-01-23 23:08 <smxy> So I'm stuck in it.
2015-01-23 23:08 <justincc> smxy: I suspect that's the case generally then
2015-01-23 23:09 <smxy> Good incentive to not create many test groups. :)
2015-01-23 23:09 <justincc> Ken_S: that indicates that the client was given the all clear to complete the teleport but the CompleteAgentMovement udp message never arried
2015-01-23 23:09 <justincc> first port of call would be network issues or delays
2015-01-23 23:10 <justincc> the whole tp sequence is in eye-watering detail at http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Teleport_Protocol#Same_simulator.2C_Out-of-sight.2C_OpenSimulator_Development_Code_.28will_be_0.7.6.29.
2015-01-23 23:10 <smxy> That's the old sequence. She completely redid it, remember?
2015-01-23 23:11 <smxy> Once she learned to use WGP on it.
2015-01-23 23:11 <justincc> completely redid what?
2015-01-23 23:11 <justincc> who?
2015-01-23 23:11 <smxy> Teleporting. Diva.
2015-01-23 23:11 <justincc> yes, and then I went through it all again and corrected further problems
2015-01-23 23:11 <justincc> whilst simultaneously documenting it
2015-01-23 23:12 <smxy> Okay
2015-01-23 23:13 <Ken_S> UDP sux
2015-01-23 23:22 <Melanie_T> justincc: ping
2015-01-23 23:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #4017 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-23 23:23 <justincc> hello Melanie_T
2015-01-23 23:23 <Melanie_T> i believe there is a configuration option somewhere to set whether the last name "Resident" is special
2015-01-23 23:23 <Melanie_T> that should really be honored here
2015-01-23 23:23 <Melanie_T> resident is only special in SL
2015-01-23 23:23 <justincc> I have never come across that in opensim
2015-01-23 23:24 <justincc> the viewers appear to treat Resident as special
2015-01-23 23:24 <Melanie_T> oopensim's functions all of them send resident
2015-01-23 23:24 <Melanie_T> we don't suppress it anywhere by our own code
2015-01-23 23:24 <Melanie_T> viewers have the option to suppress
2015-01-23 23:24 <justincc> no they don't
2015-01-23 23:24 <justincc> LSL.Api.Name2Username for instance
2015-01-23 23:25 <Melanie_T> yes but that is also a functin that is from the complex of functions surrounding username/display name
2015-01-23 23:25 <Melanie_T> maybe such an option should be added, then
2015-01-23 23:25 <justincc> maybe, and that can come in afterwards
2015-01-23 23:25 <Melanie_T> for grids that don't wnt to support display names/usernames
2015-01-23 23:25 <Melanie_T> but use legacy names only
2015-01-23 23:25 <justincc> at the moment, this just emulates the existing behaviour in opensim
2015-01-23 23:25 <Melanie_T> no it does not
2015-01-23 23:26 <justincc> how does it not?
2015-01-23 23:26 <Melanie_T> the UDP object update nameplate data doesn't treat resident as special
2015-01-23 23:26 <Melanie_T> the viewers do
2015-01-23 23:26 <justincc> and if you don't do it things become insconsistent, where the viewer masks out Resident in some places but you end up seeing it in others
2015-01-23 23:26 <Melanie_T> in the viewer it is an option
2015-01-23 23:26 <Melanie_T> those who choose to see resident will not see it on avatars anymore
2015-01-23 23:27 <Melanie_T> that is why i said to send the display name field as blank
2015-01-23 23:27 <Melanie_T> which leaves the viewer to compose a name from first/last
2015-01-23 23:27 <Melanie_T> which it then will apply that filter to
2015-01-23 23:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4017: SUCCESS in 9 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4017/
2015-01-23 23:27 <osjenkins> jjustincc: In GetDisplayNames, if user last name is Resident then only send first name for display.
2015-01-23 23:27 <Melanie_T> i checked with liru
2015-01-23 23:27 <justincc> when did you say that?
2015-01-23 23:27 <Melanie_T> and that is what it will do
2015-01-23 23:27 <Melanie_T> in this channel
2015-01-23 23:27 <justincc> when, not where
2015-01-23 23:28 <Melanie_T> when liru came to us to suggest to add the cap
2015-01-23 23:28 <justincc> so why didn't diva do that?
2015-01-23 23:28 <Melanie_T> the very first part of the talk was me asking about he formats, etc
2015-01-23 23:28 <Melanie_T> to continue to support grids that don't wnt display names
2015-01-23 23:28 <Melanie_T> i don't know
2015-01-23 23:28 <Melanie_T> she was present
2015-01-23 23:28 <justincc> any grid can avoid display names by disabling the cap
2015-01-23 23:29 <Melanie_T> liru says viewers are expected to drop the udp based lookup function
2015-01-23 23:29 <Melanie_T> so that will not work forever
2015-01-23 23:30 <justincc> where is this viewer option?
2015-01-23 23:30 <justincc> the display name is still sending the Resident part in the legacy name
2015-01-23 23:31 <Melanie_T> if the display name field is populated, it overrides
2015-01-23 23:31 <Melanie_T> it needs to be sent as empty
2015-01-23 23:31 <justincc> no that doesnt' work
2015-01-23 23:31 <justincc> it stops any name being displayed at all
2015-01-23 23:31 <Melanie_T> liru checked viewer code
2015-01-23 23:31 <Melanie_T> it does
2015-01-23 23:31 <Melanie_T> it's coded to do that
2015-01-23 23:31 <justincc> And I actually experimented with the display name fields
2015-01-23 23:31 <Melanie_T> it may need to be omitted
2015-01-23 23:32 <Melanie_T> and the display_name_is_default also plays into it
2015-01-23 23:32 <justincc> diva has hardcoded that to false
2015-01-23 23:32 <Melanie_T> there is a way to make it render the legacy name
2015-01-23 23:32 <Melanie_T> and those fields are invoved
2015-01-23 23:33 <Melanie_T> i don't hav time to dig myself because i'm busy resurrecting osgrid
2015-01-23 23:36 <justincc> so, if I go into singualrity and select "Old Names" as show names it displays the Resident name
2015-01-23 23:36 <Melanie_T> to see resident
2015-01-23 23:37 <Melanie_T> you need to select both "old names" and "show resident"
2015-01-23 23:45 <LiruCookies> display_name_is_default should be hardcoded to true, as I said...
2015-01-23 23:45 <LiruCookies> But apparently that didn't happen?
2015-01-23 23:46 <justincc> at the moment it's false
2015-01-23 23:46 <LiruCookies> If display is username, it is default, that's how it works
2015-01-23 23:47 <justincc> I'm hypothesising diva was trying to implement without showing display names by default, since we have no way of setting them atm
2015-01-23 23:48 <justincc> things don't work properly if that is false?
2015-01-23 23:49 <LiruCookies> display_name_is_default is whether or not Inusaito Kanya (inusaito.kanya) can happen
2015-01-23 23:50 <LiruCookies> If my display name is Inusaito Kanya, the server should tell me that this is the same as my username
2015-01-23 23:51 <justincc> what if I have an unset display name?
2015-01-23 23:51 <LiruCookies> Default, as well.
2015-01-23 23:51 <Melanie_T> so how can the problem be solved that the server doesn't know if the user selected to show the last name "resident" ?
2015-01-23 23:51 <justincc> LiruCookies: but display name would then be ""?
2015-01-23 23:51 <Melanie_T> justin's cange makes the user experience consistent for those who use default viewer settings
2015-01-23 23:52 <LiruCookies> Resident should always be sent, you said this yourself, Melanie_T, Resident should be shown on opensim grids.
2015-01-23 23:52 <Melanie_T> by treating "resident" as special and omitting it on the server side
2015-01-23 23:52 <Melanie_T> yes, IMHO resident is not special in any grid but SL
2015-01-23 23:52 <justincc> LiruCookies: it looks to be the behaviuor though, that when Resident is sent via the UDP channel the viewer blanks it out
2015-01-23 23:52 <LiruCookies> Opensim has no empty last name
2015-01-23 23:53 <LiruCookies> justincc: Then I should correct this with the setting.
2015-01-23 23:53 <Melanie_T> well, that is what happens when the iewer is set to show display names
2015-01-23 23:53 <LiruCookies> In most places, I do.
2015-01-23 23:53 <Melanie_T> but resident is really only special in sl
2015-01-23 23:53 <Melanie_T> opensim has no one word "user name"
2015-01-23 23:54 <justincc> this could be different Firestorm behaviour as well
2015-01-23 23:54 <Melanie_T> we can't second guess the viewers
2015-01-23 23:54 <Melanie_T> in my opinion, we should not treat resident as special at all
2015-01-23 23:54 <Melanie_T> not even in the lsl function
2015-01-23 23:54 <justincc> being able to blank out the Resident name is useful for some people who want avatars with only one name, or NPCs with one name
2015-01-23 23:54 <Melanie_T> resident is an SLism
2015-01-23 23:55 <Melanie_T> NPCs with blank first or last names are already possible
2015-01-23 23:55 <Melanie_T> even with fully blank names
2015-01-23 23:57 <justincc> LiruCookies: Should username always be <first-name>.<last-name>?
2015-01-23 23:57 <justincc> with a period separating the names
2015-01-23 23:58 <LiruCookies> justincc: Think so, yes.
2015-01-23 23:58 <LiruCookies> In lower case, usualyl.
2015-01-23 23:58 <Melanie_T> in opensim, that s the semantics. in sl, since the change poeople have been able to crate usernames that don't conform to that
2015-01-23 23:58 <LiruCookies> Lemme see if we do that, sec.
2015-01-23 23:58 <justincc> LiruCookies: ok, thanks
2015-01-23 23:58 <Melanie_T> the name "Resident" appeared as a placeholder for those new users
2015-01-23 23:58 <Melanie_T> to fill in where the protocol demanded a last name
2015-01-23 23:59 <Melanie_T> and the viewer then removed that again
2015-01-23 23:59 <justincc> some people are using the name "Resident" to have users with one name, which is what appears to be happening with UDP, at least on FIrestorm
2015-01-23 23:59 <justincc> in my tests Singularity appeared to be similar, though I didn't explore all these settings
2015-01-23 23:59 <justincc> and other parts of what opensim is setting may be wrong
2015-01-23 23:59 <Melanie_T> so Melanie Milland has legacy name Melanie Milland, user name melanie.milland and shows Melanie Milland
2015-01-24 00:00 <Melanie_T> ralph123 as legacy name Ralph123 Resident, user name raplh123 and shows as Ralph123
2015-01-24 00:00 <LiruCookies> I need to modify Singularity to be sure that doesn't happen, Resident should always show...
2015-01-24 00:00 <Melanie_T> that is in SL
2015-01-24 00:01 <Melanie_T> but in opensim, the name resident can only occur if the grid owner creates it or if users can, like with avination, take their sl name with them
2015-01-24 00:01 <LiruCookies> single word names encourage screen names
2015-01-24 00:01 <Melanie_T> display names are extremely unpopular with the majority fo sl users
2015-01-24 00:02 <Melanie_T> they also have decreased psychological attachment to the avatar
2015-01-24 00:02 <LiruCookies> Melanie_T: They're actually useful for roleplay, in some ways, but the fct that you can't change them so often in SL kills that
2015-01-24 00:03 <justincc> and with opensim there are situations where people are using it for stuff other than a social grid, like training
2015-01-24 00:03 <LiruCookies> Like I don't want to roleplay as a character a whole week, that's a huge commitment to change a name
2015-01-24 00:03 <Melanie_T> i beileve originally it was talked about beng able to change them only every 180 days
2015-01-24 00:03 <Melanie_T> but i guess that got scuppered
2015-01-24 00:04 <Melanie_T> the main issue, though, is that the display names accept unicode
2015-01-24 00:04 <Melanie_T> so you get names you can't read, remember or type
2015-01-24 00:04 <Melanie_T> so you're SOL trying to abuse report these people of they tp out too soon to be able to click on them
2015-01-24 00:04 <LiruCookies> Melanie_T: I believe there's a filter that Linden Lab has
2015-01-24 00:05 <LiruCookies> You can reject names in the server response, I think
2015-01-24 00:05 <Melanie_T> well, LL allows all matter of unicode
2015-01-24 00:05 <Melanie_T> so you can't type the names because they are made up of foreign symbols that vaguely resemble latin characters
2015-01-24 00:05 <Melanie_T> but can't be typed on any keyboard in existence
2015-01-24 00:06 <Melanie_T> all manner*
2015-01-24 00:06 <LiruCookies> Melanie_T: Opensim core doesn't have to allow that if it chooses to implement it, though.
2015-01-24 00:06 <justincc> now whenever I try to change the drop down for name display in preferences the viewer crashes
2015-01-24 00:06 <Melanie_T> that is correc t but i'm talking about why most of sl hates them
2015-01-24 00:06 <LiruCookies> justincc: That's scary
2015-01-24 00:06 <justincc> gonna test on my windows machine
2015-01-24 00:10 <justincc> if is_display_name_default do I expect to see both legacy and display name in some settings or should it only be one name in that case?
2015-01-24 00:10 <Melanie_T> in sl, if you select to see display names and none is set, you will see the user name, iirc
2015-01-24 00:11 <justincc> my windows singularity 1.8.6 doesn't crash - I don';t know what haas happend to my linux box
2015-01-24 00:11 <Melanie_T> if a display name is set, it is shown
2015-01-24 00:11 <Melanie_T> you can select to show username + display name, display name only or legacy names
2015-01-24 00:11 <Melanie_T> username + display name shows the user name in () after the display name if set
2015-01-24 00:11 <Melanie_T> without () if unset
2015-01-24 00:16 <justincc> LiruCookies: okay, the crash was because I still had a stuck singularity in the background.  Possibly it was holding open the xml settings file
2015-01-24 00:26 <LiruCookies> Weird
2015-01-24 00:26 <justincc> I dunno, stopped crashign then started for me again without another viewer in the bg.  But I need to make sure it's not something going wrong with my machine
2015-01-24 00:26 <justincc> damn
2015-01-24 00:28 <LiruCookies> if is_display_name_default, only one is shown, I think
2015-01-24 00:31 <justincc> LL currently has a 30 min pause between display name changes
2015-01-24 00:32 <justincc> ah sheeit :)
2015-01-24 00:33 <LiruCookies> 30 minute pause? Really?
2015-01-24 00:33 <justincc> I forgot I had disabled the cap
2015-01-24 00:33 <justincc> yeah
2015-01-24 00:33 <Melanie_T> omg
2015-01-24 00:33 <LiruCookies> It was a week like a year ago
2015-01-24 00:33 <Melanie_T> now that will certainly kill all sense of continuity
2015-01-24 00:41 <justincc> LiruCookies: I presume on SL you never need to worry about filtering out Resident because all data is being sent via the cap rather than the old udp method?
2015-01-24 00:41 <justincc> I may have been wrong about behaviour, it might only be Firestorm that is doing this
2015-01-24 00:41 <Melanie_T> well, no
2015-01-24 00:41 <Melanie_T> the nameplate data is still sent as object update, afaik
2015-01-24 00:42 <Melanie_T> but that is name/value data
2015-01-24 00:42 <justincc> nameplate looks like display name, other stuff like chat is different
2015-01-24 00:42 <justincc> if by nameplate you mean the text hovering over the avatar
2015-01-24 00:42 <Melanie_T> the cap is used to populate friends lists, search results, about dialog,s etc
2015-01-24 00:42 <Melanie_T> yes, chat names are also the cap
2015-01-24 00:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #4018 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-24 00:53 <justincc> alright, I'm too tired to think this through right now and I need to sort out why my linux viewer is crashing
2015-01-24 00:54 <Ken_S> Any idea why scripts would suddenly stop loading in console on startup, and keep logins disabled?
2015-01-24 00:54 <justincc> if you can capture a thread dump please do so, though I guess you are on windows
2015-01-24 00:54 <justincc> this was happening during the conference occasionally
2015-01-24 00:54 <Ken_S> yes I am
2015-01-24 00:55 <Ken_S> It just started today
2015-01-24 00:55 <justincc> I don'tknow how you get a vm thread dump on windows, which is the most useful thing to check to make sure it's not due to deadlock
2015-01-24 00:55 <justincc> uhhhh
2015-01-24 00:55 <justincc> every time?
2015-01-24 00:55 <Ken_S> Yea, I can't login since this started.
2015-01-24 00:55 <Ken_S> Its a var with a lot of prism
2015-01-24 00:56 <Ken_S> *prims
2015-01-24 00:57 <justincc> and other regions?
2015-01-24 00:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4018: SUCCESS in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4018/
2015-01-24 00:57 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Revert "In GetDisplayNames, if user last name is Resident then only send first name for display."
2015-01-24 00:57 <Ken_S> Others seems ok.
2015-01-24 00:58 <justincc> what was your previous commit?
2015-01-24 00:58 <Ken_S> This one never gives the message "Logins enabled"
2015-01-24 00:58 <Ken_S> It is a pull from about an hour ago, but its been going on all day
2015-01-24 00:59 <Ken_S> I guess yesterday was the last time it was OK.
2015-01-24 00:59 <justincc> the only commit today is the one I just made and reverted it
2015-01-24 01:00 <Ken_S> I updated late yesterday, so it may have been that way overnight, not sure
2015-01-24 01:00 <justincc> in that case it should be reasonably simple for you to isolate to a particular commit if it is due to that
2015-01-24 01:01 <Ken_S> I'll try a few things including a git bisect later tonight or tomorrow
2015-01-24 01:01 <justincc> ok thanks.  Sorry, bit tired right now
2015-01-24 01:01 <Ken_S> NP Justincc, thaks for all you do! :)
2015-01-24 01:02 <justincc> thanks Ken_S
2015-01-24 01:02 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-24 01:05 <osmantis> Bug #7408:04 Avatar Names Display Faulty 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-24 01:06 <justincc> alright, time to rest.  Goodnight
2015-01-24 01:39 <Ken_S> When an oar is saved, do references for bad or missing assets still get put in the oar file?
2015-01-24 03:09 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-24 05:43 <LiruCookies> Is there a !tell in here?
2015-01-24 05:43 <LiruCookies> !tell LiruCookies woof
2015-01-24 05:43 <LiruCookies> Damn
2015-01-24 05:43 <Tank_Master> !ydiw
2015-01-24 05:44 <LiruCookies> Can someone tell justincc to do `ASCENDED_DEVELOPER=1 ./singularity` to get singu to run in gdb
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2015-01-24 09:51 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-24 09:57 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-24 09:57 <osmantis> Bug #7408:04 Avatar Names Display Faulty 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-24 10:04 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-24 15:47 <osmantis> Bug #7408:04 Avatar Names Display Faulty 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-24 16:03 <osmantis> Bug #7408:04 Avatar Names Display Faulty 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-24 16:09 <osmantis> Bug #7408:04 Avatar Names Display Faulty 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-24 18:33 <Ken_S> Using latest dev master noticing some very odd things.
2015-01-24 18:34 <Ken_S> Create a box, and set it to a price of zero
2015-01-24 18:34 <Ken_S> and set touch action to buy,
2015-01-24 18:34 <Ken_S> the close edit and touch and nothing
2015-01-24 18:34 <Ken_S> Edit the object again and now all of the copy, permissions things are grayed out.
2015-01-24 18:35 <Ken_S> Go into admin mode  and make object full perms,
2015-01-24 18:35 <Ken_S> and suddenly the buy pops up without even touching it.
2015-01-24 18:35 <Ken_S> Edit object and nothing is grayed out now.
2015-01-24 18:36 <Ken_S> Close edit and go back in edit and perms all grayed out once again.
2015-01-24 18:37 <Ken_S> Things seem very wrong, like it doesn't know who the box belongs to.
2015-01-24 18:39 <Ken_S> This is consistently happening on every sim I'm hosting.
2015-01-24 18:39 <Ken_S> Using Windows 64
2015-01-24 18:39 <Ken_S> Is anyone else seeing this issue?
2015-01-24 19:15 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Setting Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work and has very odd permissions behavior 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-24 19:17 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Setting Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work anymore and has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-01-24 19:17 <Tank_Master> woot, job security! 
2015-01-24 19:28 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Setting Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work anymore and has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): has been UPDATED.
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2015-01-24 19:41 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Setting Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work anymore and has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-24 20:05 <smxy> Exactly is a user's current outfit stored, in the DB? I need to do surgery on a resident who's outfit is totally hosed.
2015-01-24 20:05 <smxy> Wxactly where* is ...
2015-01-24 20:05 <smxy> You know what I mean, typos notwithstanding. Sigh.
2015-01-24 20:48 <Plugh> smxy: IIRC, the Avatars table
2015-01-24 21:01 <smxy> Well I managed to create default body parts and clothes, and get him wearing those. Then (I'm logged in as him) I made them an outfit and made that the current outfit.
2015-01-24 21:01 <smxy> That all looks fine now. However ...
2015-01-24 21:02 <smxy> Every time I log him in, I get 11 messages about items it says can't be rezzed because the asset for them cannot be found.
2015-01-24 21:02 <smxy> I canot figure out how it thinks it should even try to rez them, as they are not part of the outfit.
2015-01-24 21:04 <smxy> Perhaps that's in the Avatars table you mentioned ...
2015-01-24 21:08 <smxy> Hmm. I don't know what those things are in there. 
2015-01-24 21:09 <smxy> Things with names like _ap_[some number] - are those attachment points, perhaps?
2015-01-24 21:10 <smxy> There are two with 3 UUIDs assigned to them, and then 5 with one each. That's 11. Hmm.
2015-01-24 21:13 <AliciaRaven> smxy, worn outfit is links to existing inventory items, do the links u created in outfit point to an existing inventory item?
2015-01-24 21:16 <AliciaRaven> the field named value in the avatar table should be two UUIDs separated by a : character, the first uuid is the inventory id and the second is the asset id
2015-01-24 21:18 <smxy> yes. All that is fine
2015-01-24 21:18 <smxy> the current outfit is links to existing things I created and have saved as an outfit
2015-01-24 21:19 <smxy> but when I log him in, it tries to rez 11 attachments that aren't part of the outfit anywhere.
2015-01-24 21:19 <smxy> I think they are these 11 things I just found in the Avatars table.
2015-01-24 21:19 <smxy> In that table, his avatar has 6 wearables - the things I made and that are in his outfit.
2015-01-24 21:20 <smxy> He also has VisualParams, Serial, AvatarType and AvatarHeight
2015-01-24 21:20 <smxy> Then he has these 11 _ap_# items
2015-01-24 21:20 <smxy> I think I need to delete those 11 items from the table.
2015-01-24 21:21 <AliciaRaven> they will be attachments, how did his avatar get messed up?
2015-01-24 21:22 <smxy> No idea. He brought in a ton of inventory from elsewhere and I think much of it is broken. When I first logged him in, I got a few HUNDRED errors. Now just these 11.
2015-01-24 21:23 <smxy> So, if I delete these 11 entries from the table, it should stop trying to rez them when he logs in, right?
2015-01-24 21:23 <AliciaRaven> yep
2015-01-24 21:24 <smxy> It won't do anything to the items themselves, right? Just eliminate the idea that they should be worn and rezzed, right?
2015-01-24 21:24 <AliciaRaven> im pretty sure but make a back up and dont shout at me if im wrong lol
2015-01-24 21:24 <smxy> haha
2015-01-24 21:24 <smxy> Of course.
2015-01-24 21:27 <AliciaRaven> i just checked and yes, _ap_# are attachments, the actual data will be in the inventory and asset tables
2015-01-24 21:29 <smxy> I deleted the entries and now he logs in cleanly, with no errors, wearing the noob stuff I made his outfit of.
2015-01-24 21:30 <smxy> Thanks for checking. :)
2015-01-24 21:38 <AliciaRaven> np
2015-01-24 21:48 <Melanie_T> in my experience, "Make Outfit" is nothing but trouble
2015-01-24 21:49 <Melanie_T> better to create a folder and simply copy the links in Current Outfit there
2015-01-24 21:49 <Melanie_T> then you can "replace Outfit" using that folder, voila, instant change
2015-01-24 22:11 <smxy> Well, he is happy. He can login, not be a cloud, and gets no error messages.
2015-01-24 22:14 <Ar3s> Hello, i have a question about inworld browsers. Is there any secret code or any identifier at all that an inworld browser sends out to the webserver, for example in a header orso?
2015-01-24 22:14 <Ar3s> Or... is there a way we could enforce that ?
2015-01-24 22:57 <BranTheBuilder__> hey everyone
2015-01-24 23:38 <Melanie_T> Ar3s: there is the possibility for it
2015-01-24 23:38 <Melanie_T> but it takes work
2015-01-24 23:38 <Melanie_T> if you implement openid login the way LL does
2015-01-24 23:39 <Melanie_T> then the browser will send the openid token in a header
2015-01-24 23:39 <Melanie_T> but i think not to every server
2015-01-24 23:39 <Melanie_T> but only your domain
2015-01-24 23:39 <Melanie_T> or it sends it as a cookie
2015-01-24 23:39 <Melanie_T> i firget which
2015-01-24 23:40 <Melanie_T> so it is possible to say whether a user accessing your server is using the internal browser
2015-01-24 23:40 <Melanie_T> if the domain name of your server and the domain name of our login server match
2015-01-24 23:41 <Melanie_T> this will break architecturally when HG is in the picture
2015-01-24 23:41 <Melanie_T> because it will not change the allowed domain" on a hyperjump
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2015-01-25 17:14 <osmantis> Bug #7427:04 [DATASNAPSHOT] Warnings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7427 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-25 22:10 <lkalif> zadark: thank you
2015-01-25 22:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #4019 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-25 22:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4019: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4019/
2015-01-25 22:15 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: add parameters and parameter definitions for VHACD
2015-01-25 22:15 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: update DLLs, SOs, and dylib with latest versions.
2015-01-25 22:29 <KF5YFD> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVbvvoNYTpw music to code by
2015-01-25 22:49 <Melanie_T> what is VHACD?
2015-01-25 22:53 <misterblue> a new library to convert meshes into convex hulls... for all those meshes we have that don't have physical representations
2015-01-25 22:53 <Dev_Random> I wondered that too. convex hull stuff:  http://kmamou.blogspot.ca/2014/11/v-hacd-v20-is-here.html
2015-01-25 22:53 <Melanie_T> k, thanks
2015-01-25 22:53 <Melanie_T> it sounded vaguely familiar no i know why
2015-01-25 22:53 <Melanie_T> i hit upon it when i was researching hulls for avination
2015-01-25 22:54 <misterblue> http://kmamou.blogspot.ca/ and https://code.google.com/p/v-hacd/
2015-01-25 22:54 <misterblue> the problem is this library is very good at making simple physical shapes but it can take a while (minutes in some cases)
2015-01-25 22:55 <misterblue> it would be nice if it could be added to mesh upload if a user doesn't specify a physical mesh
2015-01-25 22:57 <KF5YFD> thats proably what its best suited to
2015-01-25 22:57 <KF5YFD> since meshes are not edited after upload
2015-01-25 22:59 <KF5YFD> as far as that is concerned
2015-01-25 22:59 <KF5YFD> or at least in my opinion they shouldent be
2015-01-25 22:59 <Melanie_T> that processing can be lazy
2015-01-25 23:00 <Melanie_T> keep the mesh in memory, process it
2015-01-25 23:00 <Melanie_T> and then commit it to assets after processing
2015-01-25 23:00 <Melanie_T> you can render it right away, by writing a local asset to the asset cache
2015-01-25 23:00 <Melanie_T> then make the asset permament after updating it
2015-01-25 23:00 <Melanie_T> local assets are updateable
2015-01-25 23:01 <Melanie_T> so if a freshly uploaded mesh can't be rezzed on anther sim for 3 minutes
2015-01-25 23:01 <Melanie_T> no big deal
2015-01-25 23:03 <misterblue> other than work scheduling inside the simulator -- one thread disappears into C++ code to do the work
2015-01-25 23:04 <misterblue> thinking about this use, though, I should make it a separate library rather than adding it to BulletSim
2015-01-25 23:05 <Melanie_T> i'd take it a step further
2015-01-25 23:05 <Melanie_T> i would make it an outprocess task
2015-01-25 23:05 <Melanie_T> the temp asset is a file anyway
2015-01-25 23:05 <Melanie_T> could exec an external util
2015-01-25 23:05 <Melanie_T> so the sim wouldn't slow
2015-01-25 23:05 <Melanie_T> and couldn't crash if nans slip in
2015-01-25 23:06 <misterblue> and a program that scans the asset store and adds a physical mesh to all meshes in the server :)
2015-01-25 23:07 <Melanie_T> harrdly
2015-01-25 23:07 <Melanie_T> would take years to run
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2015-01-26 05:03 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is good, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-26 05:05 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is good, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-01-26 05:07 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is good, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-01-26 05:11 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-01-26 05:24 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-26 06:01 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-26 08:30 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-26 13:23 <osmantis> Bug #7130:04 Asset database growing with very many instances of terrainImage_uuid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7130 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-26 18:11 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-01-26 19:19 <AllenKerensky> OSgrid update for Jan 26: http://news.osgrid.org/
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2015-01-26 21:19 <Acurapassion> Hey guys, having an issue with a physical elevator script, using BulletSim, not getting a lot help so I thought I'd try here
2015-01-26 21:20 <Acurapassion> Everything works fine until phyics are enabled on the elevator via the script, then it goes crazy, it basically freezes me up to where I can barely move, all actions etc are super delayed, but as soon as I disable physics it goes back to normal..
2015-01-26 21:21 <Acurapassion> One guy said he didn't think llMoveToTarget works, but I've juct check the wiki function status page, and according to it atleast, it does.
2015-01-26 21:21 <Acurapassion> He suggested I try talk to a  Robert Adams?
2015-01-26 23:33 <justincc> Ken-S: are you around?
2015-01-26 23:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #4020 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-26 23:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4020: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4020/
2015-01-26 23:42 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: On a multi-region simulator when AppDomain = true, make sure the DLL from the appropriate script engines subdir is loaded rather than always that of the first engine to load the DLL.
2015-01-26 23:42 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: If an exception comes out of DoOnRezScript in DoOnRezScriptQueue(), then only fail a single script rather than halting the exntire script startup process.
2015-01-26 23:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #4021 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-26 23:44 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-26 23:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4021: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4021/
2015-01-27 00:09 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-27 01:08 <Ken-S> ping justincc
2015-01-27 01:09 <Ken-S> I'm back justincc
2015-01-27 01:09 <Ken-S> opps, he is gone now :(
2015-01-27 01:16 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-27 03:35 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-27 05:52 <xso> jakdaniels_: yes I was trying to get bulletsim working on CentOS 5 a while back and the resolution was simply that a proper version of mono was not supported to run the required software - and an os upgrade was REQUIRED
2015-01-27 05:53 <xso> I am currently having an issue regarding a local server I am running in standalone mode, Firstly running it on the local machine (I can see textures) - but connecting with a machine (Internally) I cannot see textures at all. except sky and water
2015-01-27 05:54 <xso> I am also having problems uploading terrain files - getting the error "Invalid Bit Depth of 0"
2015-01-27 05:54 <xso> any help on either of these issues would be much appriciated
2015-01-27 06:06 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-27 12:46 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-27 14:22 <frank__> Is region crossing with physical vehicles working now?
2015-01-27 14:22 <nebadon_laptop> no
2015-01-27 14:23 <frank__> okay, thank you.
2015-01-27 14:23 <frank__> Second question, what is the newest version of mono that is working? I tried 3.10.0 but had problems with libgdiplus, was that me, or is it a know problem?
2015-01-27 14:24 <nebadon_laptop> its known
2015-01-27 14:24 <nebadon_laptop> gif problem?
2015-01-27 14:24 <frank__> OpenSim.log says it couldn’t find the .so
2015-01-27 14:24 <nebadon_laptop> use ./configure --prefix=/opt/mono-3.10.0 --libdir=/opt/mono-3.10.0/libs --without-libgif
2015-01-27 14:24 <nebadon_laptop> if your compiling mono yourself
2015-01-27 14:25 <frank__> Yes, building myself - thank you.
2015-01-27 14:25 <nebadon_laptop> use these directions > http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44
2015-01-27 14:26 <frank__> I think I did follow those, but it was late and I was tired, I will try again. I am running ubuntu 14.04 if that matters.
2015-01-27 14:27 <nebadon_laptop> should not matter
2015-01-27 14:27 <nebadon_laptop> those are pretty universal
2015-01-27 14:28 <frank__> those instructions are for ubuntu 12 and a few of the prerequisites were missing/not available, so I substituted what I found around the web.
2015-01-27 14:28 <frank__> like the libtiff4 needed 5 instead.
2015-01-27 14:28 <nebadon_laptop> yea
2015-01-27 14:28 <nebadon_laptop> thats what you should do
2015-01-27 14:28 <nebadon_laptop> the only thing that is problematic right now is libgif
2015-01-27 14:28 <nebadon_laptop> but we dont need that
2015-01-27 14:28 <frank__> I think libgif4 needed 5 instead also.
2015-01-27 14:29 <nebadon_laptop> so we can just skip it
2015-01-27 14:30 <frank__> okay, thanks, I am building mono-3.2.3 at the moment since I know that worked before, just to check my new server setup. once that is running I will try 3.10.0 again. Thanks neb.
2015-01-27 14:30 <nebadon_laptop> cool, no problem, i use 3.10.0 all over the place
2015-01-27 14:31 <frank__> good to hear. Any idea how the MS opensourcing .net is going to impact OS?
2015-01-27 14:35 <nebadon_laptop> hey just about to run out frank__, at this point i suspect in the short term, very little 
2015-01-27 14:35 <nebadon_laptop> in the long term, could be pretty beneficial, but its hard to say
2015-01-27 14:36 <frank__> have fun, chat later.
2015-01-27 14:36 <nebadon_laptop> it will probably be a while before we see any impact at all, i would be suprised if we see anything this year
2015-01-27 14:36 <nebadon_laptop> kk good luck
2015-01-27 14:39 <frank__> okay, mono-3.2.3 is running OS now, so, I will rebuild mono-3.10.0 and try try again :)
2015-01-27 14:49 <frank__> what viewer is everyone using now days, especially for OSX - Singularity? I see it hasn’t been updated since September.
2015-01-27 14:55 <LiruCookies> Excuse me?
2015-01-27 14:55 <LiruCookies> http://alpha.singularityviewer.org/
2015-01-27 14:55 <LiruCookies> We update constantly~
2015-01-27 15:02 <frank__> LiruCookies - here is your home page - http://www.singularityviewer.org - excuse ME…
2015-01-27 15:03 <frank__> And thank you for the link, I will download that now…
2015-01-27 15:07 <frank__> LiruCookies - Your lastest crashes on launch on OSX 10.10.1 - So, I guess my question still stands, the September release works.
2015-01-27 15:09 <LiruCookies> The latest is rather new, try the one right before it, we're doing some major changes
2015-01-27 15:10 <LiruCookies> Also, the home page mentions the alphas.
2015-01-27 15:13 <frank__> The version prior to the most recent works, thank you.
2015-01-27 15:21 <LiruCookies> Cool, I thought it would, and thank you for reporting that the latest does not run, we'll check into it
2015-01-27 15:33 <smxy> Good thing I hadn't updated to that one yet. :)
2015-01-27 15:35 <LiruCookies> smxy: On mac?
2015-01-27 16:15 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-27 17:14 <smxy> LiruCookies: Yes, I run my viewers on Macs.
2015-01-27 17:18 <LiruCookies> Ah
2015-01-27 17:27 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-27 18:36 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-27 19:06 <Plugh> Does someone have the URL to HG TP to the Staff Zone for the OS developer meeting?
2015-01-27 19:07 <jakdaniels_> http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 Staff Zone 1
2015-01-27 19:08 <Plugh> ty, jakdaniels. I couldn't reach there from the usual grid from which I HG TP
2015-01-27 19:09 <Plugh> I didn't have an LM in the other HG enabled grid I've gone to.
2015-01-27 19:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #4022 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-27 19:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4022: SUCCESS in 8 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4022/
2015-01-27 19:17 <osjenkins> jjustincc: If [XEngine] ScriptStopStrategy is different from a compiled script strategy, ask user to manually set DeleteScriptsOnStartup = true for at least one simuator session rather than auto-recompiling.
2015-01-27 19:54 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-27 20:09 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-27 20:14 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-27 20:16 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-27 20:23 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-27 21:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #4023 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-27 21:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4023: SUCCESS in 4 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4023/
2015-01-27 21:09 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Correct typo in raw default script stop strategy
2015-01-27 21:18 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-27 21:22 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-27 21:30 <osmantis> Bug #7425:04 Map search is only returning one match even though there may be many matches. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7425 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-27 21:35 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-27 21:48 <osmantis> Bug #7429:04 Var region sometimes terrain loads from far side of sim towards AV rather than other way around. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7429 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-27 21:48 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-27 21:51 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-27 22:06 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-27 22:07 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-27 23:03 <Aleric> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/HoverHeightProjectViewerTesting
2015-01-27 23:04 <Aleric> might need support on opensim too in the future?
2015-01-27 23:08 <Tank_Master> probably, considering it needs suerver side support to pass the info to other viewers
2015-01-27 23:43 <Melanie_T> BlueWall_: thank for the xmlrouter glue - works a charm. one hint - replace http_raw_post_data - it's deprecated
2015-01-27 23:43 <Melanie_T> BlueWall_: Need to use php://input
2015-01-27 23:57 <smxy> Aleric: I believe Firestorm already has that feature. I vaguely recall someone having me change my setting, in SL, so that my shoes weren't below ground.
2015-01-27 23:58 <smxy> Yeah. The bottom-most slider in Editing Shape -> Body is clled Hover.
2015-01-27 23:59 <smxy> called*
2015-01-27 23:59 <smxy> Works in OpenSim nw. I just tried it.
2015-01-27 23:59 <smxy> now*
2015-01-28 00:01 <smxy> Let me see if another avatar can see the change.
2015-01-28 00:04 <smxy> Yes. My avatar logged in using Singularity can see that my Firestorm avatar is now hovering much higher.
2015-01-28 00:05 <smxy> Singularity (the alpha, at least) also has this Hover setting.
2015-01-28 00:06 <Aleric> smxy: The Hover value currently in all viewers is part of the shape - it didn't work... this is supposedly different, no? 
2015-01-28 00:07 <smxy> All I know is it seems to be working for me. It raises me up and down and the change is seen by other viewers.
2015-01-28 00:08 <Aleric> It's very unlikely already in FS anyway - it isn't even supported in SL yet, only on aditi ... it's stuff from januari 2015
2015-01-28 00:09 <smxy> Okay. Not sure why it's needed, since this seems to work.
2015-01-28 00:09 <smxy> *shrug*
2015-01-28 00:09 <Aleric> huh
2015-01-28 00:10 <Aleric> You weren't there when LL removed the vertical offset through bounding box size and everyone exploded? :p
2015-01-28 00:10 <smxy> I think I'd remember that, and I don't. :)
2015-01-28 00:10 <dahlia> exploded? like guts all over?
2015-01-28 00:10 <Aleric> The reason it doesn't work is because the offset is a function of animation, there were even scripts changing it on the fly.  The new Hover they added then is stored on the asset server and requires a rebake - it's WAY too slow.
2015-01-28 00:11 <Aleric> yes, all over
2015-01-28 00:11 <smxy> Yeah, I imagined exploding sheep, but avatars. :)
2015-01-28 00:11 <dahlia> ewwww
2015-01-28 00:11 <dahlia> I thought there has been a hover setting for a year or 2 now
2015-01-28 00:11 <smxy> That's wha I was just describing, Dahlia.
2015-01-28 00:11 <smxy> what*
2015-01-28 00:11 <dahlia> and I remember seeing people walking on stilts a year or 2 ago in opensim
2015-01-28 00:12 <dahlia> using the hover thing
2015-01-28 00:12 <dahlia> I thought there was some appearance parameters change about the same time
2015-01-28 00:12 <dahlia> which required a libomv change
2015-01-28 00:13 <Aleric> Well, I hope that this new thing will allow FAST change of hover height, so ppl can adjust the offset as function of animation again.
2015-01-28 00:13 <dahlia> but I dont remember seeing guts
2015-01-28 00:17 <Aleric> ... Although, LL fucked it up again... if they had had someone smart on their payroll they would have added not just this Z-offset but also a damping factor for the vertical motion of an animation.
2015-01-28 00:18 <Aleric> "damping" .. just a constant factor, but likely needing to be slightly smaller than 1.
2015-01-28 00:19 <Aleric> (the reason being that if a 2 meter tall avatar bends their knees their center goes down -say- 1 m, and the lame animation format has to store that as a vertical motion of 1 meter down... Guess what happens when the avatar is only 1 meter tall)
2015-01-28 00:21 <Aleric> With a fixed offset you can only fix static animations therefore (ie, sitting on the ground) -- adding that factor would have solved the REAL problem.
2015-01-28 00:28 <dahlia> I thought the viewer had some ik smarts in it so it can keep the feet on the ground regardless of the ground angle
2015-01-28 00:29 <Aleric> No, the viewer has no idea where the feet are - or which part is supposedly in contact with the earth.  Could be hanging by hands, sitting on a chair, etc
2015-01-28 00:31 <Aleric> One of the main problems here is that the format used for animations simply doesn't take into account that the same animation is going to be used by many different shapes. It was never meant to be used like that.
2015-01-28 00:32 <dahlia> the only bone with an intentional offset is the pelvis I believe, the rest are just a coding error
2015-01-28 00:32 <dahlia> normally the other bones only get rotation
2015-01-28 00:32 <dahlia> and the pelvis height is set by appearance
2015-01-28 00:45 <dahlia> http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/viewerIk_001.png
2015-01-28 00:59 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-01-28 05:05 <paela> Hello
2015-01-28 05:06 <paela> any have the link please for Lbsa stantalone i have lost it :/
2015-01-28 05:19 <misterblue> plaza09.osgrid.org:14051
2015-01-28 05:25 <paela> thanks ^^
2015-01-28 08:19 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-28 10:01 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-28 17:12 <osmantis> Bug #7415:04 Var region can not load .raw (LLRAW) terrains bigger than 256x256 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7415 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-01-28 17:14 <osmantis> Bug #7415:04 Var region can not load .raw (LLRAW) terrains bigger than 256x256 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7415 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-01-28 17:39 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-28 17:44 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-28 17:44 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-28 17:45 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-28 17:50 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-28 17:54 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-28 17:56 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-28 17:58 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Setting Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work anymore and has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-28 20:21 <osmantis> Bug #7407:04 Attempting save of script state for attachments worn by NPC when removing them from scene 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-28 20:24 <Plugh> When an avatar sits on a prim he becomes part of the linkset. If the avatar has a hud attachment, does the HUD also become part of the linkset?
2015-01-28 20:29 <osmantis> Bug #7407:04 Attempting save of script state for attachments worn by NPC when removing them from scene 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-28 20:59 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Setting Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work anymore and has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-28 21:12 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-28 21:23 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Setting Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work anymore and has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-28 21:27 <AliciaRaven> everyone using linux, check ur servers are safe from new vulnerability found called ghost :)
2015-01-28 21:31 <AliciaRaven> GHOST: glibc vulnerability (CVE-2015-0235)
2015-01-28 21:41 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-28 21:51 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Setting Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work anymore and has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-28 21:57 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Setting Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work anymore and has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-28 22:31 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Setting Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work anymore and has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-28 22:42 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Setting Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work anymore and has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-28 22:47 <smxy> AliciaRaven: I've got 80 systems at $WORK that I need to update. I'll probably spend much of Saturday doing it.
2015-01-28 22:48 <AliciaRaven> smxy, are they recent linux versions? i checked my servers and ubuntu 14.04 was ok, i only had one that needed fixing and that was ubuntu 12.04
2015-01-28 22:49 <smxy> RHEL 5 and 6. They all need it.
2015-01-28 22:50 <AliciaRaven> ouch
2015-01-28 22:50 <smxy> According to Red Hat.
2015-01-28 22:51 <smxy> Thankfully, they were all recently updated to current, within the past month, so there will be few updates to apply to each, so updating them and rebooting them will go fast. Checking each system afterwards will take hours.
2015-01-28 22:54 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Setting Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work anymore and has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-28 23:11 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Setting Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work anymore and has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-28 23:13 <dahlia> AliciaRaven: ty for notice
2015-01-28 23:14 <dahlia> my servers seem ok as far as I can tell
2015-01-28 23:15 <AliciaRaven> np dahlia, u use the checker tool to test?
2015-01-28 23:15 <AliciaRaven> i have one if anyone needs the link
2015-01-28 23:15 <dahlia> no I just checked glibc version
2015-01-28 23:15 <AliciaRaven> k u can also type..
2015-01-28 23:16 <AliciaRaven> wget http://mirrors.uk.heg.com/ghost/ghost-checker
2015-01-28 23:16 <AliciaRaven> chmod +x ghost-checker
2015-01-28 23:16 <AliciaRaven> ./ghost-checker
2015-01-28 23:16 <AliciaRaven> then it will say vulnerable or not on the console
2015-01-28 23:16 <dahlia> a script?
2015-01-28 23:16 <AliciaRaven> not sure, i got that in an email from a service provider, heartinternet.co.uk
2015-01-28 23:16 <AliciaRaven> guess it must be
2015-01-28 23:17 <dahlia> no its a binary, ty but think I'll pass
2015-01-28 23:18 <AliciaRaven> from their blog https://www.heartinternet.uk/blog/article/important-ghost-vulnerability-update
2015-01-28 23:18 <AliciaRaven> ok np
2015-01-28 23:20 <dahlia> doesnt glibc run in user space? isnt it like a posix interface to kernel traps?
2015-01-28 23:22 <dahlia> maybe the issue isnt that it's exploitable, but that it's *remotely* exploitable
2015-01-28 23:23 <AliciaRaven> yea maybe
2015-01-28 23:24 <AliciaRaven> i didnt read much about it, i just updated for now, will check more in the morning
2015-01-28 23:26 <AliciaRaven> usualy if heart internet send me an email its above average importance tho, they dont send them oftern
2015-01-28 23:27 <zadark> Bit of a busy week, with Apple, Adobe and Linux releasing patches https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/current-activity
2015-01-28 23:28 <dahlia> and google refusing to patch android browsers < 4.3
2015-01-28 23:28 <AliciaRaven> http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/lk/lk-3.html
2015-01-28 23:30 <dahlia> ya "syscall" is usually implemented via a trap
2015-01-28 23:30 <dahlia> user space code can initiate them
2015-01-28 23:39 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Setting Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work anymore and has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-29 00:17 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-29 00:56 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Setting Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work anymore and has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-01-29 01:32 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Setting Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work anymore and has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-29 02:45 <Velus> AliciaRaven, thanks for the heads uo on the vunrability 
2015-01-29 04:50 <misterblue> I dislike the transitoryness of IRC... knowledge shared here is not searchable and there aren't links back to people for replying.... grumble, grumble.... and get off my lawn
2015-01-29 04:54 <JoeRadik> 
ACTION quickly takes a couple of side-steps to get his feet back on the sidewalk.

2015-01-29 05:07 <Paela_Argus> Hello
2015-01-29 05:20 <Tank_Master> misterblue: you can search the history you have, depending on your client
2015-01-29 05:22 <misterblue> if I'm running the client all the time... but most people don't... and, unlike email lists, there is no way to search for what people have said -- discussions are lost
2015-01-29 05:32 <smxy> I have logs back several years, lol
2015-01-29 05:33 <Tank_Master> same here
2015-01-29 05:34 <smxy> My log start November 14, 2011. :)
2015-01-29 05:34 <smxy> starts*
2015-01-29 05:34 <smxy> I don't have everything since then, but I have about 25MG of it. :)
2015-01-29 05:35 <smxy> MB*
2015-01-29 05:43 <misterblue> I've started running Znc so I can be connected all the time... makes for logs but the community doesn't have access to it... not like looking for problem fixes at stackoverflow
2015-01-29 05:45 <smxy> lots of channels have bots, some of which give out information when asked. They become the channel's knowledgebase.
2015-01-29 05:46 <smxy> Like you might type !nat_loopback and the bot would tell you what you needed to know about that topic.
2015-01-29 05:46 <smxy> It's good for FAQ type stuff
2015-01-29 05:53 <JoeRadik> I run Quassel IRC. The server runs on a linux box that doesn't get rebooted very often.
2015-01-29 05:53 <JoeRadik> I use the Windows client.  I've been pleased with how it works.
2015-01-29 05:56 <JoeRadik> I've also used the android client. I'll say it worked in a pinch.  
2015-01-29 05:58 <smxy> I love mIRC. I've used it for a couple of decades now.
2015-01-29 06:01 <Tank_Master> mIRC stoped working for me several years ago, so i switched to quassel
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2015-01-29 06:59 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-29 11:08 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious var region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-29 11:32 <osmantis> Bug #7430:04 NPC - Add basic presence, online status and profile info 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7430 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-29 11:33 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious region teleport failure issues and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-01-29 11:33 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious region teleport failure issues, sim and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-01-29 11:34 <osmantis> Bug #7430:04 NPC - Add basic presence, online status and profile info 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7430 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006574.
2015-01-29 11:34 <osmantis> Bug #6574:04 a possibly useful idea relating to an IM sent to a NPC agent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6574 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007430.
2015-01-29 15:45 <osmantis> Bug #7431:04 When saving IAR get many errors saying [SCENE OBJECT GROUP]: SavedScriptState element had no UUID 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7431 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-01-29 16:02 <osmantis> Bug #7431:04 When saving IAR get many errors saying [SCENE OBJECT GROUP]: SavedScriptState element had no UUID 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7431 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-29 16:08 <osmantis> Bug #7431:04 When saving IAR get many errors saying [SCENE OBJECT GROUP]: SavedScriptState element had no UUID 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7431 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-29 16:43 <osmantis> Bug #7431:04 When saving IAR get many errors saying [SCENE OBJECT GROUP]: SavedScriptState element had no UUID 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7431 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-29 17:27 <osmantis> Bug #7431:04 When saving IAR get many errors saying [SCENE OBJECT GROUP]: SavedScriptState element had no UUID 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7431 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-29 18:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #4024 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-29 18:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4024: SUCCESS in 9 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4024/
2015-01-29 18:18 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Avoid a possible race condition by serializing plugin data outside the EventQueue lock in ScriptInstance.SaveState()
2015-01-29 18:26 <osmantis> Bug #7407:04 Attempting save of script state for attachments worn by NPC when removing them from scene 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-29 18:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #4025 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-29 18:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4025: SUCCESS in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4025/
2015-01-29 18:33 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: correct log message when script with non-config stop strategy is detected to log actual strategy rather than true/false
2015-01-29 18:53 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious region teleport failure issues, sim and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-29 19:00 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious region teleport failure issues, sim and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-29 19:18 <justincc> updating a branch
2015-01-29 19:20 <Tank_Master> spam ahoy! :P
2015-01-29 19:25 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-29 19:28 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious region teleport failure issues, sim and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-29 19:31 <osmantis> Bug #7407:04 Attempting save of script state for attachments worn by NPC when removing them from scene 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-29 19:34 <osmantis> Bug #7407:04 Attempting save of script state for attachments worn by NPC when removing them from scene 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-29 19:37 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious region teleport failure issues, sim and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-29 19:56 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-01-30 00:03 <justinccAfk> hey BlueWall_, are you around?
2015-01-30 00:33 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Setting Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work anymore and has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-30 01:00 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Setting Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work anymore and has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-30 01:37 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Setting Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work anymore and has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-30 09:04 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-30 09:36 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-30 13:31 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-30 14:18 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious region teleport failure issues, sim and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-30 16:06 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious region teleport failure issues, sim and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-30 18:13 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Setting Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work anymore and has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-30 18:19 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious region teleport failure issues, sim and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-30 18:20 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Setting Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work anymore and has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-01-30 18:21 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious region teleport failure issues, sim and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-01-30 18:31 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Setting Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work anymore and has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-30 18:31 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious region teleport failure issues, sim and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-30 18:34 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious region teleport failure issues, sim and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-30 21:25 <osmantis> Bug #7407:04 Attempting save of script state for attachments worn by NPC when removing them from scene 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-30 22:51 <osmantis> Bug #6603:04 Hypergrid Friends problems between my stand-alone and OSG grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6603 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-30 22:52 <osmantis> Bug #6769:04 HG friends issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6769 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-30 22:54 <osmantis> Bug #6863:04 HGFriends fails to produce away friendship message after multiple teleports in new friends home grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6863 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-30 23:15 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Setting Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work anymore and has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-30 23:18 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Setting Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work anymore and has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2015-01-30 23:21 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewer & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-01-30 23:22 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-01-30 23:23 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-30 23:34 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-30 23:36 <diva> hey justincc
2015-01-30 23:37 <justincc> hello diva
2015-01-30 23:37 <diva> I show you a few performance numbers soon regarding login and inventory download. TL;DR is: pulling the inventory service to a separate robust server makes a gigantic difference
2015-01-30 23:38 <justincc> interesting
2015-01-30 23:38 <diva> so we really need to do that for serious grids. That is we need to create a cap on the fly and communicate the cap URL between the inventory service and the simulator
2015-01-30 23:39 <justincc> ah right, you're talking direct serving
2015-01-30 23:39 <diva> yes, for this performance study we didn'tr care about security
2015-01-30 23:39 <justincc> so you didn't find any bugs in the simulator relay?  I suspect there might be issues there thuogh finding and fixing would be tricky, esp. if they are down in the embedded c# webserver
2015-01-30 23:40 <diva> we found a bug in the inventory threading that is currently in the simulator
2015-01-30 23:40 <diva> we have 2 threads
2015-01-30 23:40 <diva> serviing inventory requests
2015-01-30 23:40 <diva> for some reason they get in each others feet sometimes, and stop serving inventory
2015-01-30 23:40 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2015-01-30 23:40 <justincc> yeah, I thuoght somethign like that.  But I've looked through the code and couldn't see it
2015-01-30 23:40 <diva> my student decreased it to 1 threads, and the bug went away
2015-01-30 23:41 <justincc> huh
2015-01-30 23:41 <diva> no more inventory being stuck
2015-01-30 23:41 <justincc> but I can imagine direct serving is much better
2015-01-30 23:41 <diva> yes, we need to pull that out of the simulator
2015-01-30 23:41 <diva> it makes a huge difference in stability of the simulator
2015-01-30 23:42 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2015-01-30 23:42 <justincc> be great to see the numbers on that
2015-01-30 23:42 <diva> the numbers become much more stable and lower
2015-01-30 23:42 <diva> yeah, I'll show them to you soon. My student ius repeating some of the experiments because the number were a bit weird. Just a couple of numbers that were weird
2015-01-30 23:43 <diva> but once you pull the inventory out, everything makes sense and everything is stable
2015-01-30 23:43 <justincc> ok.  Yeah I agree, it sounds like we need a mechanism for distributing capability tokens
2015-01-30 23:43 <diva> yep
2015-01-30 23:44 <justincc> btw, was there a reason for not setting is_display_name_default = true in the GetDisplayNames cap?
2015-01-30 23:44 <justincc> in responses
2015-01-30 23:44 <diva> I thought we didn't want it to be default?
2015-01-30 23:44 <diva> maybe we do, cos it doesn't matter?
2015-01-30 23:44 <justincc> I think the setting might have a misleading name, LiruCookies says it should be true
2015-01-30 23:45 <justincc> but that it would still hide display names if one was not set
2015-01-30 23:45 <diva> oh ok, then flip it to true
2015-01-30 23:45 <justincc> yeah, I think I went the wrong way in trying to fix another issue which I'll need to back out first
2015-01-30 23:49 <LiruCookies> diva: I specifically said you want that on..
2015-01-30 23:50 <LiruCookies> That's what makes getCompleteName know to return just the single name, without ()
2015-01-30 23:50 <diva> the default Liru?
2015-01-30 23:53 <LiruCookies> diva: Hm? is_display_name_default or whatnot
2015-01-31 00:03 <smxy> Diva: how would (can I yet?) reconfigure my grid to serve inventory from robust, rather than the simulator?
2015-01-31 00:03 <diva> I'll explain when I come back from afk...
2015-01-31 00:04 <smxy> okay, thanks!
2015-01-31 00:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #4026 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-01-31 00:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4026: SUCCESS in 5 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4026/
2015-01-31 00:25 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Revert "Stop currently unsettable display names from appearing when [ClientStack.LindenCaps] Cap_GetDisplayNames = "localhost" is set by never passing the username."
2015-01-31 00:25 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: As per advice from Singularity devs, set is_display_name_default = true in GetDisplayName cap return data to make the single name appear.
2015-01-31 00:45 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-31 00:48 <smxy> misterblue: ping
2015-01-31 00:55 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-31 00:59 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-31 01:07 <diva> smxy I can explain, but it's not safe at this point
2015-01-31 01:08 <diva> one of us will need to make it secure before people can do it
2015-01-31 01:08 <BlueWall_> we will have the simulator send the key to the inventory server when they avatar enters the region?
2015-01-31 01:09 <diva> yes
2015-01-31 01:09 <Ken_S> diva, I'll be glad to help test when it's safe.
2015-01-31 01:09 <BlueWall_> ++
2015-01-31 01:11 <diva> the performance improvement is really major, especially for users will large inventories
2015-01-31 01:12 <BlueWall_> We will need to have the inventory sesrver tear down a cap when they leave, or can we reuse it?
2015-01-31 01:12 <BlueWall_> << for the same user.
2015-01-31 01:13 <diva> I've been thinking about that, and I think we can get away with simply timing it out. I'll need to look better, but it looks like this overhead is only about fetching the inventory tree in the beginning. That's done once, and it's never done again
2015-01-31 01:13 <diva> not 100% sure yet, I'll need to look more carefully
2015-01-31 01:14 <BlueWall_> Also, HG implications. If a user gets inventory directly from their inventory service, how do we let them add or give items when traveling?
2015-01-31 01:14 <diva> this is the cap FetchInventoryDescendents2
2015-01-31 01:14 <diva> it really isn't that set of inventory actions, BlueWall
2015-01-31 01:15 <diva> it's just the FetchInventoryDescendents2
2015-01-31 01:15 <BlueWall_> the initial loading?
2015-01-31 01:15 <diva> which, as far as I can tell, is only called in the beginning
2015-01-31 01:15 <BlueWall_> Ok
2015-01-31 01:15 <smxy> oh, back. Let me read what yu've said
2015-01-31 01:16 <diva> it's a bit weird. At login, the login responsen sends the inventory skeleton already
2015-01-31 01:16 <BlueWall_> ++
2015-01-31 01:16 <diva> but the viewer isn't satisfied with that, because it's only the folders
2015-01-31 01:17 <diva> so it proceeds to requesting all contents of all those folders
2015-01-31 01:17 <BlueWall_> One item at a time.
2015-01-31 01:17 <smxy> If we move part of the inventory handling to Robust, we should move it all, shouldn't we (with safeguards)?
2015-01-31 01:17 <diva> no
2015-01-31 01:17 <diva> it's the FectchInvnetoryDescendents2, so one folder at a time
2015-01-31 01:17 <BlueWall_> Oh, ok
2015-01-31 01:18 <diva> some ppl have thousands of folders...
2015-01-31 01:18 <BlueWall_> Nebadon, poke, poke
2015-01-31 01:18 <smxy> lol
2015-01-31 01:18 <diva> even just hundreds of folders is enough to load the simulator considerably
2015-01-31 01:18 <BlueWall_> yes
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2015-01-31 01:36 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious region teleport failure issues, sim and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-01-31 02:21 <smxy> I reversed gravity in a region, then logged into it. I've been falling up for an hour and 20 minutes and am at 248,000 meters. I wonder how high it will go before something blows up? :)
2015-01-31 02:40 <LiruCookies> smxy: float max, probably? maybe int max?
2015-01-31 02:54 <misterblue> smxy pong
2015-01-31 02:55 <smxy> misterblue: I was wondering how to reverse gravity in BS like you can in ODE.
2015-01-31 02:56 <misterblue> you want things to go up?
2015-01-31 02:56 <smxy> Yeah, but only if there's a way to do it now. I am not asking for a new feature, really.
2015-01-31 02:57 <misterblue> let me find the parameter... you can set the gravity value for a region... haven't tried it, though
2015-01-31 02:57 <misterblue> that's how buoyancy works... sets an objects gravity value
2015-01-31 02:58 <smxy> I see my avi is starting to have rez issues at 366,000 meters. :)
2015-01-31 02:58 <smxy> OpenSim doesn't seem to have a concept of space though. This high and I'm still in sky.
2015-01-31 03:00 <misterblue> The parameter is [BulletSim]Gravity=-9.80665f
2015-01-31 03:00 <smxy> Okay, thanks. :)
2015-01-31 03:01 <misterblue> that is the force per kg... so an object's mass is multiplied by that
2015-01-31 03:01 <misterblue> the value is initialized at region boot time so it has to be in the INI file
2015-01-31 03:01 <smxy> It's only going to make avatars fall up right? Or everything?
2015-01-31 03:02 <misterblue> everything physical
2015-01-31 03:02 <smxy> okay
2015-01-31 03:02 <smxy> Wish I could make an upside down region.
2015-01-31 03:03 <smxy> Where sky is down and water and land are above and you walk around head "down".
2015-01-31 03:03 <misterblue> coordinates are floats... that's 32 bits of float which has only about 6 digits of accuracy
2015-01-31 03:04 <misterblue> you're probably seeing oddness around that... at 366000 meters you won't have any sub-meter accuracy
2015-01-31 03:05 <smxy> The viewer just froze up at 383,957 meters. :)
2015-01-31 03:05 <smxy> oh, it recovered. 
2015-01-31 03:05 <smxy> I figured it wouldn't.
2015-01-31 03:05 <misterblue> had to think about it :)
2015-01-31 03:05 <smxy> hehe
2015-01-31 03:06 <smxy> Something will overflow eventually and crash it.
2015-01-31 03:09 <misterblue> just checked... Bullet takes gravity as a vector.... wonder what people would do with X or Y gravity :)
2015-01-31 03:09 <smxy> yeah, ODE has them too, both set to 0
2015-01-31 03:10 <AllenKerensky> I'd like to make a ring station with the G point at the center of the ring pushing outward - like a Ringworld or Halo
2015-01-31 03:10 <misterblue> ya... it is just a factor that is added into the simulation step...
2015-01-31 03:10 <misterblue> most requests have been for a gravity oriented from the object to some point
2015-01-31 03:10 <misterblue> ya... like that AllenKernsky
2015-01-31 03:10 <AllenKerensky> i needs me some space stations
2015-01-31 03:11 <smxy> I think an upside down world would be neat. But that's more than just falling up.
2015-01-31 03:12 <misterblue> I could do the force with a constraint... but we'd find all the places in OS and viewer code that assumes "up" is modified by changing just Z
2015-01-31 03:12 <misterblue> you thought feet in floors was bad now :)
2015-01-31 03:12 <smxy> lol
2015-01-31 03:12 <AllenKerensky> script and vehicle functions?
2015-01-31 03:13 <misterblue> it could be like move to target... add force to target
2015-01-31 03:14 <misterblue> but would have to diddle orientation so Z was toward target (just a little quaternian math)
2015-01-31 03:14 <misterblue> but things like avatar height would be odd since all that computation is just on avatar Z value
2015-01-31 03:15 <smxy> I wonder if we could make a 2D world. Like FlatLand. :)
2015-01-31 03:16 <AllenKerensky> or moebius world
2015-01-31 03:16 <misterblue> doesn't the new UI changes give you a bunch of camera controls?
2015-01-31 03:17 <misterblue> mash the object between two transparent planes and constrain the camera
2015-01-31 03:17 <smxy> They let you hide yourself
2015-01-31 03:22 <misterblue> diva, mic did some stuff with caps allocation in the Dispatcher... are you thinking of creating a caps service?
2015-01-31 03:42 <smxy> 505K and climbing. :)
2015-01-31 03:43 <misterblue> well, the coordinate is a float... MAXFLOAT is up there somewhere
2015-01-31 05:38 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious region teleport failure issues, sim and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): has been UPDATED.
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2015-01-31 09:55 <Reyes> hi all
2015-01-31 18:41 <RiRa> TRYING 0.8.1rc1 but, it sthrowing error at startup. already checked grid and htpergrid but not see error between my config and the 0.8.1 version. The errror: E
2015-01-31 18:42 <RiRa> whats wrong ?
2015-01-31 18:45 <RiRa> oops, the error did not paste
2015-01-31 18:45 <RiRa> Exception: System.Exception: Could not load an ISimulationDataService implementation from OpenSim.Services.Connectors.dll:SimulationDataService, as configured in the LocalServiceModule parameter of the [SimulationDataStore] config section.
2015-01-31 18:45 <diva> make sure you update your Grid.ini
2015-01-31 18:47 <RiRa> I just found it, its so a tiny change in the line that you overlook it.
2015-01-31 18:51 <RiRa> OMG, thats going to be fun for lots of people. big changes in the config
2015-01-31 18:52 <RiRa> but small to see
2015-01-31 19:00 <misterblue> ya... one needs to update all the files in config-include when upgrading
2015-01-31 19:03 <RiRa> Its now still complaining. its now find the needle.
2015-01-31 19:10 <RiRa> iTS STARTING.. :)
2015-01-31 19:17 <linkedinyou> misterblue: ping
2015-01-31 19:18 <misterblue> hey, pong linkedinyou
2015-01-31 19:19 <linkedinyou> hey hey
2015-01-31 19:20 <misterblue> will you be around in about two hours? I need to leave for a little bit... but I want to look at your physics
2015-01-31 19:20 <linkedinyou> i have a game in my grid that it dose not nehave ok with all physics we have but it do with havok in LL . is there anyway that we can try this tablegame
2015-01-31 19:20 <linkedinyou> yes i will be here
2015-01-31 19:20 <linkedinyou> if i am not we will meet in 5 hours
2015-01-31 19:20 <misterblue> k... I'll be back shortly then we can visit your sim
2015-01-31 19:21 <linkedinyou> thank you i will be here
2015-01-31 19:21 <misterblue> that works also... see you then
2015-01-31 21:29 <misterblue> linkedinyou, ping
2015-01-31 21:41 <Ken_S> I am seeing tons of errors like this on startup:
2015-01-31 21:41 <Ken_S> [WARP 3D IMAGE MODULE]: Error decoding JPEG2000 texture 3707a360-ec4f-4301-baed-c88ac9a13faf (6144 bytes): Error while reading bit stream header or parsing packets.
2015-01-31 21:41 <Ken_S> Seems more each time I startup, but all textures in all sims look fine.
2015-01-31 21:41 <Ken_S> Any ideas, or is this just issues with Warp3D?
2015-01-31 21:42 <Abitar> From what I know of it its the map tile generator and i get random erros from it. 
2015-01-31 21:43 <Abitar> Last I heard it has a memory leak and there fore it only set to run on region startup 
2015-01-31 21:44 <Ken_S> Also see a lot of errors titled [Rest Client]
2015-01-31 21:46 <misterblue> we do need a new maptile generator... warp3d makes nice looking tiles but it is heavyweight and buggy
2015-01-31 22:04 <linkedinyou> misterblue: hi pong
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2015-02-01 02:54 <smxy> misterblue: I'm over 5 million meters now. My avatar is seriously deformed now. :)
2015-02-01 03:39 <OtakuMegane> Lol. I remember messing with that. There was a point avatar just vanishes entirely but I forget where
2015-02-01 03:54 <KF5YFD> i guess inverse square law goes out the window the higher you get
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2015-02-01 18:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #4027 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-01 18:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4027: SUCCESS in 9 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4027/
2015-02-01 18:39 <osjenkins> diva: Prevent null entries being treated as URI's when DataSnapshot service splits service string. The new config format for services to notify in the DataSnapshot module appends entries to the existing single string and always leaves a deliminator on the end of the string. This is causing it to split with a null string in the resulting array, which is treated as another service to notify and throws a URI format exception on start up.
2015-02-01 19:43 <osmantis> Bug #7433:04 [BULLETSIM TERRAIN MANAGER] red ink error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7433 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-02-01 19:48 <osmantis> Bug #7433:04 [BULLETSIM TERRAIN MANAGER] red ink error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7433 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-02-01 20:24 <osmantis> Bug #7434:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] Cannot add parcel "Parcel Name"... because this is still occupied by parcel "Parcel Name" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7434 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-02-01 20:26 <osmantis> Bug #7434:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] Cannot add parcel "Parcel Name"... because this is still occupied by parcel "Parcel Name" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7434 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-02-01 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #7433:04 [BULLETSIM TERRAIN MANAGER] red ink error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7433 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-01 22:24 <osmantis> Bug #7433:04 [BULLETSIM TERRAIN MANAGER] red ink error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7433 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-01 22:51 <osmantis> Bug #7433:04 [BULLETSIM TERRAIN MANAGER] red ink error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7433 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-01 23:22 <osmantis> Bug #7432:04 [PATCH] Fix null string being included with service URI's in DataSnapshot module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7432 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-01 23:25 <osmantis> Bug #7432:04 [PATCH] Fix null string being included with service URI's in DataSnapshot module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7432 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-02-01 23:37 <AliciaRaven> thanks diva
2015-02-01 23:38 <diva> yw
2015-02-01 23:38 <diva> any other oatches?
2015-02-01 23:38 <diva> patches
2015-02-01 23:39 <AliciaRaven> not at the moment :)
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2015-02-02 01:17 <osmantis> Bug #7425:04 Map search is only returning one match even though there may be many matches. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7425 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-02 01:19 <osmantis> Bug #7425:04 Map search is only returning one match even though there may be many matches. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7425 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-02-02 02:55 <smxy> 10 million meters. The entire upper half of my body is smashed down into my hips and my legs have elongated quite a bit.
2015-02-02 04:39 <AllenKerensky> OSgrid update posted for week ending 2015-02-01 http://news.osgrid.org/
2015-02-02 05:05 <smxy> AllenKerensky: Who's writing those? Clear not daTwitch.
2015-02-02 05:05 <smxy> Clearly*
2015-02-02 05:09 <AllenKerensky> i write them - Hiro reviews, suggests, etc
2015-02-02 05:09 <AllenKerensky> why?
2015-02-02 09:21 <osmantis> Bug #7408:04 Avatar Names Display Faulty 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-02 09:33 <osmantis> Bug #7408:04 Avatar Names Display Faulty 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-02 10:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #4028 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-02 10:56 <osmantis> Bug #7434:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] Cannot add parcel "Parcel Name"... because this is still occupied by parcel "Parcel Name" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7434 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-02 10:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4028: SUCCESS in 8 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4028/
2015-02-02 10:58 <osjenkins> dahlia: Compute rotation for llLookAt() with local positive X axis pointing down
2015-02-02 12:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #4029 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-02 12:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4029: SUCCESS in 4 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4029/
2015-02-02 12:08 <osjenkins> dahlia: correct some minor comment misspellings in last commit
2015-02-02 20:46 <osmantis> Bug #7408:04 Avatar Names Display Faulty 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-02-03 07:09 <osmantis> Bug #7359:04 Datasnapshot not making snapshots - PGSQL adapter related? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7359 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-02-03 07:16 <osmantis> Bug #7359:04 Datasnapshot not making snapshots - PGSQL adapter related? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7359 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-02-03 13:27 <osmantis> Bug #6814:04 Terrain and building is not moving always smooth when you walk or fly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6814 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-03 13:27 <osmantis> Bug #6814:04 Terrain and building is not moving always smooth when you walk or fly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6814 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-02-03 13:35 <osmantis> Bug #7106:04 Avatar feets follow terrain instead of the object its walking on. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7106 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-02-03 13:37 <osmantis> Bug #6813:04 Ground sit fails on prim, avatar is going to sit on the terrain. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-03 13:48 <osmantis> Bug #7106:04 Avatar feets follow terrain instead of the object its walking on. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7106 ): has been REOPENED.
2015-02-03 13:55 <osmantis> Bug #7106:04 Avatar feets follow terrain instead of the object its walking on. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7106 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-02-03 13:58 <osmantis> Bug #7106:04 Avatar feets follow terrain instead of the object its walking on. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7106 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-02-03 14:03 <osmantis> Bug #7106:04 Avatar feets follow terrain instead of the object its walking on. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7106 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-03 14:28 <osmantis> Bug #7106:04 Avatar feets follow terrain instead of the object its walking on. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7106 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-03 14:41 <osmantis> Bug #7106:04 Avatar feets follow terrain instead of the object its walking on. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7106 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-03 15:05 <nebadon_laptop> morning diva :)
2015-02-03 15:39 <diva> hi
2015-02-03 18:57 <RiRa> Staff region down ?
2015-02-03 18:57 <nebadon_laptop> it is
2015-02-03 18:57 <nebadon_laptop> im looking into it
2015-02-03 19:06 <nebadon_laptop> Grid is back up
2015-02-03 19:06 <RiRa> yup. 
2015-02-03 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #7435:04 (0.8.1-rc1) Region crossing sometimes results in avatar 'trailing off' until an arrow key is pressed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7435 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-02-03 20:47 <osmantis> Bug #7435:04 (0.8.1-rc1) Region crossing sometimes results in avatar 'trailing off' until an arrow key is pressed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7435 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-02-03 21:37 <osmantis> Bug #7435:04 (0.8.1-rc1) Region crossing sometimes results in avatar 'trailing off' until an arrow key is pressed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7435 ): has been UPDATED.
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2015-02-03 23:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #4030 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-03 23:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4030: SUCCESS in 6 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4030/
2015-02-03 23:50 <osjenkins> jjustincc: If the owner of an object is taking a copy from the scene (e.g. via the "take copy" option on a viewer) then only require owner copy perms, not copy and transfer.
2015-02-04 00:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #4031 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-04 00:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4031: SUCCESS in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4031/
2015-02-04 00:15 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix bug in JobEngine where an attempt to restart after stop would trigger an exception because the cancellation source was not recreated.
2015-02-04 02:13 <osmantis> Bug #7407:04 Attempting save of script state for attachments worn by NPC when removing them from scene 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-04 17:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #4032 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-04 17:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4032: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4032/
2015-02-04 17:22 <osjenkins> jjustincc: For built-in groups, if a delegate throws an exception (e.g. due to network failure), always remove its request from the m_ActiveRequests list.
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2015-02-05 02:10 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious region teleport failure issues, sim and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-05 02:22 <smxy> Is anyone having tp issues with HEAD from this morning? I haven't had time to look into it yet, but I had to revert because all I saw was red spew when people were trying to TP around my grid this evening. Need to look at the logs later.
2015-02-05 02:33 <zadarkAlt1> I am running HEAD (765fd0)  not seen any red spew
2015-02-05 02:34 <zadarkAlt1> btw, I am disguished as a visitor with the tour on your grid at the present moment
2015-02-05 02:48 <smxy> zadarkAlt1: sweet. I hope the visit went well. :)
2015-02-05 02:49 <zadarkAlt1> Bit of a shock to the system as we all arrived about the same time, settled now
2015-02-05 03:39 <smxy> This is different .... I rezzed into my region ~1K meters in the air. I fell to the surface of a mesh island I have and ... I bounced. Back up to 200 merters. And now I just keep bouncing. I hit, bounce up to 200 Meteres, fall and repeat. lol
2015-02-05 03:41 <zadarkAlt1> Don't knock it, makings of a new feature.
2015-02-05 03:41 <smxy> lol
2015-02-05 03:42 <smxy> I kept bouncing until I moved an arrow key
2015-02-05 03:49 <zadarkAlt1> I don't see that behaviour with a regular terrain island.
2015-02-05 05:04 <dahlia> smxy: which is your grid?
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2015-02-05 12:52 <smxy> dahlia: Sanctuary
2015-02-05 13:26 <nebadon_laptop> smxy i was unable to recreate that same behavior
2015-02-05 13:26 <nebadon_laptop> just updated to master git and fell from 1000m and went splat onto my face, stood up and dusted myself off lol
2015-02-05 13:26 <nebadon_laptop> http://grid.nebadon2025.com:8002 OKC World 03
2015-02-05 13:26 <nebadon_laptop> if you want to give it a go
2015-02-05 13:31 <nebadon_laptop> i tried several times in different areas to see if the shape of the terrain made any difference, same results every time
2015-02-05 13:54 <smxy> Weird. Maybe it was a viewer glitch since I was TPing from a region where gravity had been reversed?
2015-02-05 13:56 <smxy> Yup. I can recreate it. LOL
2015-02-05 13:58 <smxy> I'll log in another avatar and see if I'm really bouncing or if it's just my viewer.
2015-02-05 13:59 <smxy> Nope, I'm really bouncing. Wow. 
2015-02-05 14:00 <smxy> That's funny. 
2015-02-05 14:02 <smxy> I went to my test region, fell up to ~1000m, then TP'd via a Favorite to a place on my mesh island in a 768 var. I arrive at the same height I left, fall to the island, then start bouncing. :)
2015-02-05 14:07 <nebadon_laptop> ya very strange
2015-02-05 14:14 <smxy> It's amusing. :) I need to go back through my logs and understand all the TP-related red spew I saw though. I had to roll back to my previous build. I want to understand what broke, before trying again. Hopefully work will be slow today and I can look into it before tonight.
2015-02-05 14:14 <smxy> ttfn
2015-02-05 16:37 <diva> Nebadon ping
2015-02-05 16:37 <diva> yes
2015-02-05 16:37 <nebadon_laptop> hello
2015-02-05 16:37 <nebadon_laptop> yes what?
2015-02-05 16:37 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2015-02-05 16:38 <diva> duh :)
2015-02-05 16:38 <diva> hey I need urgent help with voice
2015-02-05 16:38 <diva> I'm having a meetin gin vLab and some people can't hear me
2015-02-05 16:38 <diva> I hear them
2015-02-05 16:38 <nebadon_laptop> hmm
2015-02-05 16:38 <diva> what's the most likely problem
2015-02-05 16:38 <nebadon_laptop> viewer has wrong input selected in voice prefernces, you check that?
2015-02-05 16:39 <diva> their input is ok
2015-02-05 16:39 <diva> I can hear them
2015-02-05 16:39 <nebadon_laptop> no
2015-02-05 16:39 <diva> but they can't hear me
2015-02-05 16:39 <nebadon_laptop> your input
2015-02-05 16:40 <nebadon_laptop> in Preferences > Voice Chat
2015-02-05 16:40 <nebadon_laptop> then hit Device Settings button
2015-02-05 16:40 <diva> some people can hear me
2015-02-05 16:40 <nebadon_laptop> make sure the correct input is selected and showing levels on the meter
2015-02-05 16:40 <nebadon_laptop> oh
2015-02-05 16:40 <diva> it's just that other people can hear the rest of us
2015-02-05 16:40 <nebadon_laptop> ah
2015-02-05 16:40 <nebadon_laptop> same parcel?
2015-02-05 16:40 <nebadon_laptop> is this at Universal Campus area?
2015-02-05 16:41 <diva> yes
2015-02-05 16:41 <nebadon_laptop> possible there are 2 different parcels
2015-02-05 16:41 <nebadon_laptop> if you remember we had same problem at OSCC in staff zone
2015-02-05 16:41 <diva> no, it's only one parcel
2015-02-05 16:41 <diva> and I"ve tested in two different parcels
2015-02-05 16:41 <nebadon_laptop> hmm
2015-02-05 16:42 <nebadon_laptop> the only other thing i can think, is if maybe they teleported in from another region with same vivox settings
2015-02-05 16:42 <nebadon_laptop> its possible they arent fully connected
2015-02-05 16:42 <nebadon_laptop> our voice capabilities really are not good heh
2015-02-05 16:42 <diva> it
2015-02-05 16:42 <diva> it's weord
2015-02-05 16:43 <nebadon_laptop> it could also be that the server is acting up
2015-02-05 16:43 <nebadon_laptop> which would not surprise me at all
2015-02-05 16:43 <diva> which server?
2015-02-05 16:43 <nebadon_laptop> the vivox server that is
2015-02-05 16:44 <nebadon_laptop> we probably beat the hell out of their vivox servers, sending it all kinds of wrong data
2015-02-05 16:44 <diva> "Active speakers"
2015-02-05 16:44 <diva> duh
2015-02-05 16:44 <nebadon_laptop> ?
2015-02-05 16:45 <diva> they are grey in the active speakers box
2015-02-05 16:50 <Plugh> diva, have you had the people who can't hear you check the volume level settings for your avatar in their viewer?
2015-02-05 16:50 <diva> yes
2015-02-05 16:50 <Plugh> ok
2015-02-05 16:51 <nebadon_laptop> yea I can't really think of any easily addressable reason that this is happening diva, only thing I can suggest is you restart the region, that kind of sucks though
2015-02-05 16:51 <diva> it's really annoying, because it's affecting several people
2015-02-05 16:51 <diva> in exaclty the same way
2015-02-05 16:52 <diva> they can speak (we hear them) but they can hear us
2015-02-05 16:52 <Plugh> Viewer settings was the only other easy thing I could think of.
2015-02-05 16:52 <nebadon_laptop> I cant really think of any viewer settings that would allow you to isolate someone
2015-02-05 16:52 <Plugh> I know one live performer I can't hear unless I turn the settings for them up really high.
2015-02-05 16:53 <nebadon_laptop> my guess is its something wrong on the vivox server itself
2015-02-05 16:53 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: There are the individual volume controls for each avatar.
2015-02-05 16:53 <nebadon_laptop> ya there are
2015-02-05 16:53 <Plugh> That's what I was referring to. That plus the master voice level setting.
2015-02-05 16:54 <Plugh> diva, are the people who can't hear you able to hear others?
2015-02-05 16:57 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: for OSCC, wasn't there also a concern about the maximum number of voice connections available?
2015-02-05 16:57 <Plugh> I don't know how many people diva is expecting.
2015-02-05 16:57 <nebadon_laptop> ya its around 40 or 50 I think
2015-02-05 16:57 <nebadon_laptop> that would not in the results she is seeing though
2015-02-05 16:57 <nebadon_laptop> she would be seeing errors on the console about vivox
2015-02-05 16:57 <nebadon_laptop> and people wouldnt be able to connect to voice at all
2015-02-05 16:57 <Plugh> oh, ok. 
2015-02-05 16:58 <Plugh> Another possible cause shot down. :)
2015-02-05 16:58 <nebadon_laptop> yea this is either our simulator isnt sending proper signals to vivox, maybe packet loss or out of order packets
2015-02-05 16:58 <nebadon_laptop> or the vivox server is indeed malfunctioning
2015-02-05 16:59 <nebadon_laptop> ive seen vivox fail a lot
2015-02-05 16:59 <nebadon_laptop> I dont recall ever really having a single meeting where someone doenst have trouble with voice
2015-02-05 16:59 <nebadon_laptop> hehe
2015-02-05 16:59 <diva> ok, one of them was able to fix it by sliding the music volume control to the right
2015-02-05 16:59 <diva> progress!
2015-02-05 16:59 <nebadon_laptop> interesting
2015-02-05 16:59 <diva> now let's see the others...
2015-02-05 17:00 <nebadon_laptop> that has to be some kind of bug
2015-02-05 17:00 <nebadon_laptop> the music slider?
2015-02-05 17:00 <Plugh> Oh, so you are talking on the stream.
2015-02-05 17:00 <nebadon_laptop> that is just odd
2015-02-05 17:00 <diva> yes
2015-02-05 17:00 <Plugh> ok, music volume setting would be the key slider.
2015-02-05 17:00 <nebadon_laptop> what viewer are they using?
2015-02-05 17:00 <nebadon_laptop> your just using vivox though right?
2015-02-05 17:00 <nebadon_laptop> music slider should have no effect Plugh
2015-02-05 17:00 <Plugh> Check that the others who can't hear you are telling it to play the stream.
2015-02-05 17:01 <Plugh> s/telling it/telling their viewer/
2015-02-05 17:01 <Plugh> nebadon_laptop: it would if voice is being done via a stream on the land and not just by standard voice chat.
2015-02-05 17:03 <nebadon_laptop> i dont think it is
2015-02-05 17:05 <diva> for the other person, maybe it's a firewall issue
2015-02-05 17:08 <nebadon_laptop> would be wierd if firewall could partially block vivox
2015-02-05 17:08 <nebadon_laptop> i would think if its firewall they wouldnt hear anyone, or even be able to connect
2015-02-05 17:14 <Plugh> diva, that's possible. If that is the case, the person would not be able to hear anyone else talking in voice chat. If you are talking to others through a stream set on the land, I'm not sure if firewall is still an issue. 
2015-02-05 17:15 <Plugh> hehe... I just had the funny thought of saying that diva should have them turn their speakers on.  :D
2015-02-05 17:15 <diva> it's not land channel
2015-02-05 17:15 <diva> it's Vivox
2015-02-05 17:15 <diva> so maybe his client can't connect to our streams
2015-02-05 17:15 <Plugh> ok, so it is normal voice chat and not via stream setting in the land. In that case, music setting wouldn't have any effect.
2015-02-05 17:16 <diva> yeah, I don't know how that fixed it, but that's what she says she did
2015-02-05 17:16 <diva> maybe it changed something on the master control
2015-02-05 17:17 <Plugh> Unless they have audio muted or turned way down in their operating system volume controls, I'm not sure what else might be the problem. Only way to check would be if you were at their computer to check settings.
2015-02-05 18:13 <ssm2017> hello. have you heard about a weird bug ? : randomly, some people can edit other people attachments
2015-02-05 18:13 <ssm2017> using 0.8.0.1
2015-02-05 18:16 <nebadon_laptop> anyone with god powers can edit others attachments
2015-02-05 18:16 <nebadon_laptop> other than that I have not heard of anything like that
2015-02-05 18:17 <ssm2017> ok...., i will ask the users if they are in this case
2015-02-05 18:17 <ssm2017> thank you nebadon_laptop for the attention
2015-02-05 18:17 <nebadon_laptop> no problem :)
2015-02-05 18:35 <ssm2017> we are just confirming the issue now, i will update to 0.8.1 on tomorrow to check if this issue is persisting
2015-02-05 19:18 <diva> nebadon, Plugh: miraculously, I managed to get everyone on voice, and it's working flawlessly for the past 2 hours
2015-02-05 19:18 <diva> there were a couple of firewall issues, it turns out
2015-02-05 19:18 <Plugh> good to hear.
2015-02-05 19:18 <nebadon_laptop> interesting
2015-02-05 19:19 <nebadon_laptop> ya that is good news though, unfortunately that is one of the real major stumbling blocks of opensim, is networking
2015-02-05 19:19 <diva> this is quite an achievement. These are complete noobs, older people who don't use graphical clients, like, ever
2015-02-05 19:23 <Plugh> Interesting that they were running firewalls.
2015-02-05 19:23 <Plugh> and ones that were locked down enough to block voice chat.
2015-02-05 19:24 <diva> yeah, some universities are radical about blocking UDP traffic
2015-02-05 19:41 <smxy> Good for them. Someone in IT there is doing their job. :)
2015-02-05 20:07 <nebadon_laptop> dahlia ping
2015-02-05 20:08 <dahlia> nebadon_laptop: pong
2015-02-05 20:08 <nebadon_laptop> hey
2015-02-05 20:08 <nebadon_laptop> remember how materials were not working for me
2015-02-05 20:08 <dahlia> ya
2015-02-05 20:08 <nebadon_laptop> turns out if i add the materials section to opensim.ini and set enabled to true
2015-02-05 20:08 <nebadon_laptop> it works now
2015-02-05 20:08 <nebadon_laptop> I could have sworn you said didnt need to do that?
2015-02-05 20:08 <dahlia> shouldnt matter I thought
2015-02-05 20:09 <nebadon_laptop> appears it does
2015-02-05 20:09 <nebadon_laptop> all this time lol
2015-02-05 20:09 <nebadon_laptop> that appears why it wasnt working for me in grid mode
2015-02-05 20:09 <nebadon_laptop> i even restarted sim and it persists now and everything
2015-02-05 20:09 <dahlia> I dont think I have it
2015-02-05 20:10 <dahlia> oh the section is there but it's all comments
2015-02-05 20:10 <nebadon_laptop> yea maybe you just need the Header
2015-02-05 20:10 <nebadon_laptop> i remember at one point that was required wasnt it
2015-02-05 20:10 <nebadon_laptop> just the header?
2015-02-05 20:11 <nebadon_laptop> early on i remember just having to put [Materials]
2015-02-05 20:11 <nebadon_laptop> or something like that and there was no variables
2015-02-05 20:12 <dahlia> oh ok ya it does look like it wants the section
2015-02-05 20:12 <nebadon_laptop> ok sheesh
2015-02-05 20:12 <nebadon_laptop> well I am super happy it works
2015-02-05 20:12 <dahlia> I think its in .example
2015-02-05 20:12 <nebadon_laptop> I was really stumped
2015-02-05 20:12 <nebadon_laptop> it is
2015-02-05 20:12 <nebadon_laptop> but i never put it in my ini files
2015-02-05 20:12 <dahlia> update your ini :)
2015-02-05 20:12 <nebadon_laptop> assuming it would just work without it
2015-02-05 20:12 <nebadon_laptop> ya
2015-02-05 20:12 <nebadon_laptop> im glad it wasnt because of the texture cap
2015-02-05 20:13 <dahlia> it probably should work without it
2015-02-05 20:13 <nebadon_laptop> yea might be good
2015-02-05 20:14 <dahlia> I cant fix now, my local repo is all hacked up with llLookAt stuff
2015-02-05 20:15 <MarcusLlewellyn> OpenSimDefaults.ini lacks the Materials section. I suggest adding that in there.
2015-02-05 20:16 <nebadon_laptop> no worries dahlia
2015-02-05 20:16 <nebadon_laptop> im just happy we figured it out
2015-02-05 20:16 <nebadon_laptop> i was really scratching my head and somewhat disapointed i could not use materials
2015-02-05 20:17 <nebadon_laptop> i just responded again to the email thread about this and let them know our findings
2015-02-05 20:17 <nebadon_laptop> hopefully it helps them get going again too
2015-02-05 20:17 <nebadon_laptop> cause they were reporting same issues I was having pretty much
2015-02-05 20:17 <MarcusLlewellyn> Heh. I was all like "boo! Don't discourage materials!" ;)
2015-02-05 20:17 <nebadon_laptop> yea glad you said something
2015-02-05 20:17 <nebadon_laptop> was Marcus who actually figured it out hehe
2015-02-05 20:18 <MarcusLlewellyn> You'll get my bill. :)
2015-02-05 20:18 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2015-02-05 20:18 <nebadon_laptop> check is in the mail buddy!
2015-02-05 20:19 <nebadon_laptop> haha
2015-02-05 20:19 <MarcusLlewellyn> woot
2015-02-05 20:22 <dahlia> should probably change to something like this: http://pastebin.com/wmdYr9qB  cant do it now but will later assuming I remember when my repo is cleaned up
2015-02-05 20:22 <dahlia> in MaterialsModule.cs
2015-02-05 20:23 <nebadon_laptop> ok i can remind you :)
2015-02-05 20:23 <nebadon_laptop> thanks for looking :)(
2015-02-05 20:26 <nebadon_laptop> nice, even all the stuff i made very long time ago is still working
2015-02-05 20:26 <nebadon_laptop> that little hut at Reticulation, everything has its materials still
2015-02-05 20:27 <nebadon_laptop> well some of it does anyway heh
2015-02-05 20:28 <MarcusLlewellyn> Some of the *really* early tests prolly haven't survived. Back when it was visible only to the creator.
2015-02-05 21:19 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2015-02-05 21:19 <nebadon_laptop> thanks dahlia :)
2015-02-05 21:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #4033 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-05 21:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4033: FAILURE in 6 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4033/
2015-02-05 21:24 <osjenkins> dahlia: Allow MaterialsModule to be enabled by default if [Materials] is absent from OpenSim.ini
2015-02-05 21:32 <nebadon_laptop> rut roh
2015-02-05 21:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #4034 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4032 1 day 4 hr ago)
2015-02-05 21:33 <nebadon_laptop> dahlia
2015-02-05 21:33 <nebadon_laptop> it failed on my server too
2015-02-05 21:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4034: STILL FAILING in 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4034/
2015-02-05 21:34 <dahlia> ya it failed in visual studio but I thought it was something wrong with my visual studio setup, not the commit
2015-02-05 21:35 <nebadon_laptop> http://pastebin.com/faKauHfZ
2015-02-05 21:43 <dahlia> oh blindness error... sec will fix
2015-02-05 21:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #4035 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4032 1 day 4 hr ago)
2015-02-05 21:49 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-02-05 21:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4035: FIXED in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4035/
2015-02-05 21:49 <osjenkins> dahlia: replace accidently deleted line from last commit
2015-02-05 21:52 <joshewa> need some open sim help, im trying to use firestorm latest version of their open sim viewer and it wont connect to my open sim grid it keeps saying: Host http not found
2015-02-05 21:52 <joshewa> is their anyone here that may beable to help me
2015-02-05 21:53 <joshewa> im using sim on a stick for my open sim  and i have it online and can connect with a different viewer but for some strange reason firestorm open sim viewer wont
2015-02-05 21:54 <joshewa> im asking here from someone who refered me here for help
2015-02-05 21:54 <joshewa> im not sure if the issue is in the open sim part of the system or is it with the firestorm viewer
2015-02-05 21:55 <joshewa> i do have a dev question, will their ever be a release that will have a built in money system that can be enabled or disabled
2015-02-05 21:56 <joshewa> i use my open sim mostly to do scriting work and not able to use the money part is a pain when working on them type of scripts
2015-02-05 21:57 <joshewa> over all though i love open sim you all done something really amazing with it
2015-02-05 21:59 <nebadon_laptop> I would guess that something is misconfigured some where joshewa
2015-02-05 21:59 <nebadon_laptop> I think
2015-02-05 21:59 <nebadon_laptop> when you add grid in Firestorm
2015-02-05 21:59 <nebadon_laptop> you have to leave the http:// off the loginuri
2015-02-05 21:59 <nebadon_laptop> or you get an error
2015-02-05 22:00 <nebadon_laptop> maybe that is the problem, i dont use firestorm much, though i recall having that same problem a few weeks ago doing a quick test 
2015-02-05 22:00 <joshewa> ill try that  i think i did have it with the http part on it still
2015-02-05 22:00 <joshewa> ill go try that
2015-02-05 22:00 <nebadon_laptop> cool
2015-02-05 22:01 <joshewa> so i should add it just like this then 127.0.0.1:9100/
2015-02-05 22:01 <joshewa> with out the  / 
2015-02-05 22:01 <joshewa> and other http stuff
2015-02-05 22:01 <nebadon_laptop> yea
2015-02-05 22:02 <joshewa> ok i try that now
2015-02-05 22:04 <joshewa> your awesome that did it,
2015-02-05 22:04 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2015-02-05 22:04 <joshewa> had hell of a time last few days trying to find any info on what i may be doing wrong
2015-02-05 22:04 <joshewa> thank you so so much you rock
2015-02-05 22:05 <nebadon_laptop> no problem, glad I could help :)
2015-02-05 22:05 <joshewa> if you have time for another question, do you know of any way to get some kind of money system to work for open sim
2015-02-05 22:06 <nebadon_laptop> hmm I know there are some modules available for that, however I have no experience with any of them, I couldnt even really tell you the name
2015-02-05 22:06 <nebadon_laptop> OMC maybe?
2015-02-05 22:06 <nebadon_laptop> i cant remember, I am sure someone else here would probably know
2015-02-05 22:06 <nebadon_laptop> if you hang around for a bit
2015-02-05 22:07 <joshewa> if anyone knows of any link or anything for that tat be helpfull as well
2015-02-05 22:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #4036 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
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2015-02-05 22:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4036: SUCCESS in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4036/
2015-02-05 22:35 <osjenkins> dahlia: Set angular velocity in physics actor in SceneObjectPart.AngularVelocity setter. Enables llSetAngularVelocity()
2015-02-06 00:12 <dahlia> thanks MarcusLlewellyn and nebadon_laptop for spotting the materials section thingie
2015-02-06 00:13 <nebadon_laptop> :) thanks for quick fixing it dahlia :) i am having fun with it now
2015-02-06 00:13 <nebadon_laptop> http://grid.avacon.org:8002 Staff Zone 1
2015-02-06 00:14 <nebadon_laptop> if you want to see :)
2015-02-06 00:14 <dahlia> kk take me a bit
2015-02-06 00:14 <dahlia> dont go overboard now :P
2015-02-06 00:27 <nebadon_laptop> nah i just put up 10 boards as examples
2015-02-06 00:28 <nebadon_laptop> nothing to fancy :)
2015-02-06 00:29 <dahlia> Im at that grid but I dont see any materials
2015-02-06 01:07 <Tank_Master> do you have ALM enabled?
2015-02-06 02:21 <dahlia> Tank_Master: no I just didn't know where to look
2015-02-06 02:22 <Tank_Master> its in graphics setings
2015-02-06 02:22 <Tank_Master> Advance Lighting Model
2015-02-06 02:22 <Tank_Master> its needed to be enabled to see materials
2015-02-06 02:23 <dahlia> lol no I didnt know where the samples were :)
2015-02-06 02:24 <dahlia> but ty ;)
2015-02-06 02:24 <Tank_Master> ah
2015-02-06 02:43 <dahlia> all I have to do is type "killall -TERM mono" and in 5 minutes my 36 region grid has updated and is back up and running :D
2015-02-06 02:46 <Tank_Master> its always a good idea to termonate any mono case you find
2015-02-06 02:47 <dahlia> beats cooties
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2015-02-06 05:26 <djphil> nice terrain feature https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJVHHp7bviA :)
2015-02-06 05:34 <djphil> v2.0beta https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLtI-2uCRVY
2015-02-06 05:34 <AliciaRaven> djphil, thats pretty cool, i was wanting to have a feature where a terrain texture could be stretched over a 256 chunk of the terrain so paths and detailed beach line could be added, the thing that stopped me was that its all done by the viewer
2015-02-06 05:35 <djphil> the module is open source alicia
2015-02-06 05:35 <AliciaRaven> would be nice if paths etc could be painted directly on the terrain texture instead of the randomized height that viewers force on the display
2015-02-06 05:35 <djphil> singularity have a patch for that
2015-02-06 05:35 <AliciaRaven> the first one i mean, its a viewer mod so not everyone would see it
2015-02-06 05:35 <djphil> if you remember, Rev wanted to do this would aurora too long ago
2015-02-06 05:36 <AliciaRaven> unless its consistant across viewers its not an option for me
2015-02-06 05:36 <djphil> Indeed it would be that the patch applied directly in the master
2015-02-06 05:37 <djphil> but now we have seen it work ... stay patient and hope that 2015 brings us happiness
2015-02-06 05:37 <AliciaRaven> only way to do it and have all viewers see it is mesh terrain and mesh isnt my area
2015-02-06 05:38 <AliciaRaven> would be cool to have satelite image over a mesh terrain tho, as a reference for creating realistic locations
2015-02-06 05:39 <djphil> yes indeed with mesh we can already do this but the demo looks really better
2015-02-06 05:39 <djphil> This sounds really simple to use
2015-02-06 05:39 <AliciaRaven> yea, if opensim terrain could do it with out the need to make it mesh and scale and possition it, that would be cool
2015-02-06 05:39 <djphil> The module works with google map data :p
2015-02-06 05:40 <AliciaRaven> the sl viewers way of generating terrain textures is very limited and old school lol
2015-02-06 05:40 <djphil> ... same for Opensim ^^
2015-02-06 05:40 <djphil> Water too ...
2015-02-06 05:41 <AliciaRaven> there should be weather settings aswell, would be good to have a make it snow checkbox
2015-02-06 05:41 <djphil> Hax Fumi make a dinamic wind module based on fluid too
2015-02-06 05:42 <djphil> yes and celestia particles ... Jack daniels made a funny plugin for that
2015-02-06 05:42 <AliciaRaven> wind is only of use to people with saling boats, 99% of the time its computing power going to waste for the average visitor that cant even detect what the wind is doing
2015-02-06 05:43 <djphil> i use it with npc surfers system
2015-02-06 05:43 <djphil> and ribbon particles
2015-02-06 05:43 <djphil> the pretty nice :)
2015-02-06 05:43 <AliciaRaven> cool
2015-02-06 05:43 <djphil> it make a bird module and a ride module
2015-02-06 05:44 <AliciaRaven> oh i seen the bird module, i was tempted to try that
2015-02-06 05:44 <djphil> tide is fun too ... but not perfect because it reset all windlight setting every time
2015-02-06 05:44 <djphil> birds work well
2015-02-06 05:45 <AliciaRaven> i have on my todo list a web based windlight editor
2015-02-06 05:45 <AliciaRaven> its a long list though lol
2015-02-06 05:45 <djphil> Mmmm interessing :)
2015-02-06 05:46 <djphil> there is really confusion with windlight and lightshare ... it's an old story.
2015-02-06 05:47 <AliciaRaven> yea im not sure which one i mean, i think its windlight
2015-02-06 05:47 <djphil> windlight some functions are merged and do not correspond to lightshare functions
2015-02-06 05:47 <djphil> This is confusing
2015-02-06 05:47 <AliciaRaven> they should me merged into one, the best parts from both, to end the confusion
2015-02-06 05:48 <djphil> Heh alicia, Rev have Do That with full windlight and all is configurable via LSL
2015-02-06 05:48 <AliciaRaven> the viewer environment presets are a joke, its either standard or some weird messed up high color fog that looks stupid
2015-02-06 05:48 <djphil> i hopeit coming back SOON !!!
2015-02-06 05:49 <AliciaRaven> i think rev has gone for good
2015-02-06 05:49 <AliciaRaven> do u still keep in the aurora dev channel?
2015-02-06 05:50 <djphil> Actually they are not very pretty nes presets ... plus, if you change, you are the only person to see the changes ... is null!
2015-02-06 05:50 <AliciaRaven> every one sees the presets unless they specificaly change their viewers display
2015-02-06 05:51 <djphil> Yes I am still connected there ... and hopeful to see him again one day soon
2015-02-06 05:51 <AliciaRaven> the viewer has to be set to region default for them to show
2015-02-06 05:51 <djphil> That's what I say yes, if you change the preset, you only see the changes
2015-02-06 05:52 <djphil> moreover, all paramettres are passed into the viewers at the same time, the air, water and land texture
2015-02-06 05:53 <djphil> which is sometimes annoying.
2015-02-06 05:53 <AliciaRaven> oh yes thats the viewer preset, not the region preset
2015-02-06 05:53 <djphil> This is the problem with the tidal module
2015-02-06 05:53 <AliciaRaven> the viewer can over ride the region default, but if as regipon owner u change the preset in region settings, everyone sees it
2015-02-06 05:54 <djphil> every time the water changes height your terrain texture returns by default :s
2015-02-06 05:54 <AliciaRaven> eew major bug lol
2015-02-06 05:54 <djphil> original preset yes but modified preset no
2015-02-06 05:54 <djphil> only lightsahre is shared
2015-02-06 05:55 <djphil> or aurora windlight :)
2015-02-06 05:55 <AliciaRaven> yes thats what i mean, changing the viewer preset only shows for the user making the change, but changing the region preset shows for all
2015-02-06 05:55 <djphil> maybee you can grab Rev code ...
2015-02-06 05:55 <djphil> changing != modified
2015-02-06 05:56 <AliciaRaven> if u visit the region named hypergates on my grid u will see the atmosphere is twilight
2015-02-06 05:56 <djphil> original twilight or modified twilight ?
2015-02-06 05:56 <AliciaRaven> unless u specificaly set a different preset for YOUR viewer, u get the windlight setting that the region has
2015-02-06 05:57 <AliciaRaven> its some sky preset xander made using scripts
2015-02-06 05:57 <djphil> scipts = lightshare !
2015-02-06 05:57 <djphil> scripts*
2015-02-06 05:57 <AliciaRaven> http://www.spellscape.co.uk/alicia/hypergates.jpg
2015-02-06 05:58 <djphil> nice :)
2015-02-06 05:58 <AliciaRaven> lol told u i didnt know the difference lol
2015-02-06 05:58 <AliciaRaven> http://www.spellscape.co.uk/alicia/hypergates2.jpg
2015-02-06 05:59 <djphil> personally if I want to share windlight, I use the field descriptions firestorm ... ok this to work only with firestorm ... but at least this to work
2015-02-06 05:59 <djphil> pretty path field :)
2015-02-06 06:00 <djphil> how's spellscape? you have a few more people now?
2015-02-06 06:01 <AliciaRaven> yep, growing slowly, still need to get more guides and tutorial videos out about the game system tho
2015-02-06 06:02 <djphil> ha yes i remember you have a game on your server
2015-02-06 06:02 <djphil> with magic potion!
2015-02-06 06:03 <AliciaRaven> i think alot of people think only role players are welcome, we have so much more lol
2015-02-06 06:03 <djphil> hehe sure!
2015-02-06 06:04 <AliciaRaven> we have a new region control panel with oar file save/load and all users can get iar backups from the website
2015-02-06 06:04 <djphil> a joomla module ?
2015-02-06 06:05 <AliciaRaven> yep, joomla comunicating with a opensim region module and grid service
2015-02-06 06:05 <djphil> save/load with LSL ?
2015-02-06 06:05 <AliciaRaven> no just from the website
2015-02-06 06:05 <djphil> Share your module with Foto's :)
2015-02-06 06:06 <djphil> you say load/save ooar from region ? or website ?
2015-02-06 06:06 <AliciaRaven> from website
2015-02-06 06:06 <djphil> ha kk
2015-02-06 06:06 <djphil> with radmin ?
2015-02-06 06:07 <AliciaRaven> user can create oar from website then download it, or upload oar to website and load it
2015-02-06 06:07 <AliciaRaven> nope, dont use radmin
2015-02-06 06:07 <djphil> kk
2015-02-06 06:07 <djphil> how you do it ?
2015-02-06 06:08 <AliciaRaven> custom region module, and joomla componant
2015-02-06 06:08 <djphil> ha okay !
2015-02-06 06:08 <AliciaRaven> http://www.spellscape.co.uk/home/news/regionmanager
2015-02-06 06:08 <AliciaRaven> some screen shots there :)
2015-02-06 06:08 <djphil> not opensource ?
2015-02-06 06:08 <AliciaRaven> nope
2015-02-06 06:09 <djphil> beauifull
2015-02-06 06:09 <djphil> comfort me with screenshots so ^^
2015-02-06 06:10 <AliciaRaven> gotta keep some features to make my grid standout lol any core fixes we will always share tho
2015-02-06 06:12 <djphil> Hmmm
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2015-02-06 07:01 <dahlia> whats frame frequency again? 11 Hz?
2015-02-06 07:02 <AliciaRaven> sync lock?
2015-02-06 07:02 <dahlia> sim update frequency
2015-02-06 07:02 <dahlia> I thought it was somewhere around 10-11 Hz
2015-02-06 07:03 <dahlia> Melanie_T: you know offhand?
2015-02-06 07:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #4037 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-06 07:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4037: SUCCESS in 4 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4037/
2015-02-06 07:18 <osjenkins> dahlia: Manage Angular Velocity during llLookAt() rotation of physical objects
2015-02-06 14:31 <MuriloFrade> Are there some option to configure opensimulator with more than one network adapter? We have two different IPs for use at the same time.
2015-02-06 15:11 <osmantis> Bug #7387:04 [INVENTORY] Object in prim inventory disappeared on Rez Level 2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7387 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-06 17:57 <ssm2017> hello Plugh i could see that the ossearch is working with 0.8.1 but not the osprofile. do you plan to update it ?
2015-02-06 17:58 <ssm2017> osprofile is not displaying any error, it is just displaying nothing
2015-02-06 17:58 <ssm2017> i have compiled the trunk with the 0.8.1 sources and no error on compilation too
2015-02-06 18:20 <Melani___> ssm2017: because of changes to core profiles, osprofile may need to be adapted
2015-02-06 18:20 <ssm2017> yes i understand this, this is why i am asking to Plugh if he has planned an update soon or if i should keep using 0.8.0.1
2015-02-06 18:21 <Plugh> ssm2017: You may be better off to file a bug report against osprofile. With my main computer not working I'm not in a position to do much in the way of doing development on the module and testing it.
2015-02-06 18:22 <ssm2017> ok i will do it (should i use the mantis or the forge to report the issue ? Plugh )
2015-02-06 18:22 <Plugh> I wouldn't have thought there is any changes in OS between 0.8.0 and 0.8.1 that would stop osprofile from working.
2015-02-06 18:22 <Plugh> ssm2017: forge (the bug tracker for osprofile)
2015-02-06 18:22 <ssm2017> ok
2015-02-06 18:23 <Plugh> ssm2017: Your config lets you use osprofile with 0.8.0 but not 0.8.1?
2015-02-06 18:24 <ssm2017> using the same config, osprofile is working with 0.8.0.1 but not working with 0.8.1 (compiled at home with mono 3.12)
2015-02-06 18:24 <Plugh> 
ACTION needs to make time to decide what to do to get his main computer up and running again

2015-02-06 18:24 <Plugh> ok. Wanted to make sure it wasn't a config issue.
2015-02-06 18:25 <Plugh> Melanie_T: What changed in core profile that would affect a third party module? Was some sort of API change?
2015-02-06 18:25 <Tank_Master> $#%%$# hell, got yet another one of those "Hi, Im with tech support, and we are recieveing several errors from your computer to our server..." 
2015-02-06 18:25 <Plugh> s/change/changed/
2015-02-06 18:25 <Tank_Master> 6th this year
2015-02-06 18:26 <Plugh> Tank_Master: Gee... aren't you the lucky one to have someone keeping such a close eye on your computer  ;)
2015-02-06 18:26 <Tank_Master> heh
2015-02-06 18:26 <Melanie_T> i don't recall when, but core profiles was changed, rather, people search was changed, to be a core service 
2015-02-06 18:26 <Tank_Master> i really should have lanched a VM for them to mess with
2015-02-06 18:26 <Melanie_T> not even core profiles, but the core profile stub
2015-02-06 18:26 <ssm2017> ah.... the forge is returning an error 500 when going to : http://forge.opensimulator.org/gf/project/osprofile/tracker/?action=TrackerItemBrowse&tracker_id=293
2015-02-06 18:26 <Melanie_T> that was so that grids that run no profile module could have people info
2015-02-06 18:27 <Melanie_T> http://forge.opensimulator.org/gf/project/osprofile/tracker/?action=TrackerItemBrowse&tracker_id=293 works for me
2015-02-06 18:28 <Plugh> Melanie_T: That might just result in double results if osprofile doesn't let core handle people search. IIRC, I dealt with that some time ago.
2015-02-06 18:28 <Melanie_T> ok
2015-02-06 18:28 <Melanie_T> just had that in the back of myhead
2015-02-06 18:29 <Plugh> Melanie_T: np. 
2015-02-06 18:29 <Plugh> Worth double checking that.
2015-02-06 18:30 <Plugh> It's a pain not having my main machine working. I have my laptop set up for most of my code development stuff but not for OpenSim.
2015-02-06 18:30 <ssm2017> Melanie_T, about the forge error 500 : are you logged in ? (i can see the page without beeing connected and not seeing the page when beeing connected)
2015-02-06 18:30 <Plugh> ssm2017: Is bug 424 still an issue or is that long obsolete now and can be closed?
2015-02-06 18:30 <Melanie_T> i didn't bther to log in
2015-02-06 18:31 <Plugh> I haven't tried to log in
2015-02-06 18:31 <ssm2017> Plugh, about bug 424, i have not seen any error since this time so it can be considered as solved
2015-02-06 18:31 <Melanie_T> yes it's blank when logged in
2015-02-06 18:32 <Plugh> ok. It is a really old bug as it refers to 0.6.9
2015-02-06 18:32 <Plugh> I just logged in and browsed to get back to the project and I'm seeing two open bugs.
2015-02-06 18:33 <Melanie_T> ok
2015-02-06 18:33 <Melanie_T> it works now
2015-02-06 18:33 <Melanie_T> there was a too low php memory limit set
2015-02-06 18:33 <ssm2017> thank you Melanie_T no more error 500
2015-02-06 18:35 <Plugh> ssm2017: Do you see any errors in the region console when trying to use osprofile features in 0.8.1
2015-02-06 18:35 <ssm2017> no error in console
2015-02-06 18:35 <Plugh> 
ACTION thinks he should wait for the bug report

2015-02-06 18:35 <Plugh> ok
2015-02-06 18:35 <Plugh> btw, those two fields are still binary(1)
2015-02-06 18:35 <Plugh> Im checking the code to see what it tries to put in them
2015-02-06 18:36 <ssm2017> i will read again the console logs to see if the module is well registered on startup
2015-02-06 18:36 <Plugh> ok
2015-02-06 18:37 <Plugh> hm... those two fields aren't used in the PHP code. 
2015-02-06 18:37 <Plugh> 
ACTION thinks that is strange

2015-02-06 18:40 <ssm2017> i will double check and swap bin folder between 0.8.0.1 and 0.8.1 to confirm the non working profile module
2015-02-06 18:40 <ssm2017> i can not see any osprofile module registration on simulator startup
2015-02-06 18:42 <Plugh> ok, ty
2015-02-06 18:42 <Plugh> btw, I just closed your report about using php://input. The change was made ages ago but the report didn't get closed.
2015-02-06 18:43 <ssm2017> :)
2015-02-06 18:44 <Plugh> It was made about 8 days after your report and that was just over two years ago. :)
2015-02-06 18:44 <Plugh> bbiab. The cat is calling for me.
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2015-02-06 21:26 <jakdaniels_> plugh: has osprofile been updated since diva's changes to where region modules sit....i.e. in the module do you have:
2015-02-06 21:26 <jakdaniels_> [assembly: AddinDependency("OpenSim.Region.Framework", OpenSim.VersionInfo.VersionNumber)]
2015-02-06 21:26 <jakdaniels_> and
2015-02-06 21:27 <jakdaniels_> [Extension(Path = "/OpenSim/RegionModules", NodeName = "RegionModule", Id = "osprofile")]
2015-02-06 21:27 <jakdaniels_> if not then the module will never get loaded I think
2015-02-06 21:27 <jakdaniels_> Plugh ^^
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2015-02-07 06:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #4038 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-07 06:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4038: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4038/
2015-02-07 06:41 <osjenkins> dahlia: llLookAt() and llRotLookAt(): all orientation updates now done via angular velocity manipulation. Also correct some orientation glitches during interpolation.
2015-02-07 08:02 <dahlia> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmVGloRkT8I
2015-02-07 08:05 <zadarkAlt1> Nice
2015-02-07 16:20 <smxy> Hmm. I want to move 4 regions that I own out of my estate and into another person's estate. I also want them to be the owner of the regions. I used the estate commands to move them into her estate. But when I go to those regions, it says I own them and that I own the estate too. Something's not right.
2015-02-07 16:20 <smxy> I mean, it shows them in her estate, but it says I'm the owner of the estate, which isn't right.
2015-02-07 16:21 <smxy> It also shows me as the owner of the regions.
2015-02-07 16:21 <nebadon_laptop> I didnt think we had the ability to transfer ownership via the console
2015-02-07 16:21 <nebadon_laptop> I thought that required database editing
2015-02-07 16:23 <smxy> hmm
2015-02-07 16:23 <nebadon_laptop> it is possible I missed something there, but I don't recall that
2015-02-07 16:23 <smxy> well, estate show, at each console, shows it in her estate with her as owner. I might have something cached in my viewer.
2015-02-07 16:23 <nebadon_laptop> ah ya that is possible for sure
2015-02-07 16:23 <nebadon_laptop> did you restart the regions?
2015-02-07 16:23 <nebadon_laptop> region might be also caching old info
2015-02-07 16:24 <smxy> yes, as I renamed them to fit with her others.
2015-02-07 16:24 <smxy> let me clear cache and relog
2015-02-07 16:24 <nebadon_laptop> you might have to restart the entire grid
2015-02-07 16:24 <nebadon_laptop> don't know if regions cache that info, say you log in some where else
2015-02-07 16:24 <nebadon_laptop> it might taint the viewer cache
2015-02-07 16:25 <nebadon_laptop> it probably doesnt though
2015-02-07 16:27 <smxy> Okay, now the Region/Estate floater says she is the estate owner, so that was cached info. But the parcel info still says I'm the owner and I need her to be. I *could* sell it to her, but this is supposed to be a surprise and that would spoil it, so I need to make her the owner a different way.
2015-02-07 16:28 <nebadon_laptop> edit the region db
2015-02-07 16:28 <nebadon_laptop> swap the uuid
2015-02-07 16:28 <nebadon_laptop> or
2015-02-07 16:28 <nebadon_laptop> use master password to login as her
2015-02-07 16:28 <smxy> ok
2015-02-07 16:51 <AliciaRaven> smxy were u in god mode? the region floater will say u own the estate if so, even tho u dont
2015-02-07 16:59 <smxy> AliciaRaven: No. It seems it was just cached.
2015-02-07 17:00 <AliciaRaven> k
2015-02-07 17:00 <misterblue> there are a lot of caches with poor removal rules... things go in but getting out requires a restart
2015-02-07 17:04 <smxy> Interestingly, looking in the regions table, she is the owner of the added regions. Presumably because they are in her estate now. But in-world, in the *parcel* info, I'm still the owner.
2015-02-07 17:08 <smxy> I guess I need to edit the land table.
2015-02-07 17:12 <nebadon_laptop> yea parcel owner and region owner are different
2015-02-07 17:15 <nebadon_laptop> its almost easier to just start new regions smxy
2015-02-07 17:15 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2015-02-07 17:15 <nebadon_laptop> make and oar, shut down old regions, bring up new ones
2015-02-07 17:16 <smxy> I think I have it now, and yes, that might be easier, but this is better for remembering how it all works. :)
2015-02-07 17:16 <smxy> You have to get your fingers dirty now and then. :)
2015-02-07 17:17 <AliciaRaven> clean ur keyboard lol
2015-02-07 17:18 <smxy> hehe
2015-02-07 17:19 <smxy> Okay, I changed the OwnerID in lad for each of the four regions, cleared my caches and relogged and the parcels still say they're owned by me. Hmm.
2015-02-07 17:19 <smxy> land*
2015-02-07 17:20 <smxy> Oh, I bet I have to restart the regions, heh.
2015-02-07 17:23 <nebadon_laptop> yes
2015-02-07 17:23 <nebadon_laptop> pretty much anytime you manually manipulate the database, it will require a region to be restarted to take effect
2015-02-07 17:24 <AliciaRaven> also if u run ossearch u will need to refresh its data using the php or wait till it updates itself
2015-02-07 17:25 <smxy> Right. And after restarting them, they show her as the parcel owner now.
2015-02-07 17:25 <smxy> Now all I have to dois move them to be with her other regions, sink the land to 0m and wait to see how long before she realizes she has 4 more regions now. :)
2015-02-07 18:01 <notskittles> funny little xengine bug
2015-02-07 18:02 <notskittles> default { state_entry() { state nonexistant; } }
2015-02-07 18:02 <notskittles> xengine is happy to compile and run that with no complaints.
2015-02-07 18:43 <AllenKerensky> notskittles  if you preprocess your scripts through lslint, you can catch weirdness like that which the script editor window misses
2015-02-07 18:43 <AllenKerensky> lslint state_test.lsl -> ERROR:: (  1, 33): `nonexistant' is undeclared. -> TOTAL:: Errors: 1  Warnings: 0
2015-02-07 22:21 <vegaslon> ping dahlia
2015-02-07 22:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #4039 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-07 22:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4039: SUCCESS in 7 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4039/
2015-02-07 22:26 <osjenkins> dahlia: llLookAt(): reduce and clamp strengh to reduce probability of overshoot
2015-02-07 22:32 <dahlia> vegaslon: pong
2015-02-07 22:36 <vegaslon> you do realize that lllookat is designed so that the bigger the strength the slower it goes?
2015-02-07 22:37 <dahlia> well the wiki is kinda ambiguous about that
2015-02-07 22:37 <vegaslon> treats it like a viscosity value
2015-02-07 22:38 <dahlia> ya I saw that, not sure yet how it actully should work
2015-02-07 22:39 <dahlia> do you have experience using it in sl?
2015-02-07 22:40 <vegaslon> the fastest amount of time it can take to point at something is 0.044444444 tau, which is two physics frames
2015-02-07 22:41 <dahlia> our timing is different tho
2015-02-07 22:46 <vegaslon> hard nut to crack that is for sure, hard to know the lowest limit for strength just know the lowest limit for damping
2015-02-07 22:50 <dahlia> I'm not sure how perfectly this will emulate SL given all the ambiguity but I will try to characterize it more in SL
2015-02-07 23:03 <vegaslon> 0.0444444 seems to also be the lowest strength you can put in secondlife anything lower will not work
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2015-02-07 23:50 <osmantis> Bug #7340:04 SigSegv crash caused by HttpListener passing invalid arguments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7340 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-08 01:05 <LiruCookies> AllenKerensky: I think that was notskittles' point, it's not valid LSL but xengine will compile and run it all the same.
2015-02-08 01:09 <AllenKerensky> nod LiruCookies totally agree was offering LSLlint as tip to find and catch things like that to save weird debug time
2015-02-08 01:10 <AllenKerensky> but that does not change that it could be validated and flagged during the viewer or server compiles as well
2015-02-08 01:10 <AllenKerensky> just need someone to sit down with the OpenSim code, figure out how, and put together the patch
2015-02-08 01:11 <AllenKerensky> Really nice lifehacker post today about free programming books including The C# Yellow Book as a free/legal download: http://www.csharpcourse.com/
2015-02-08 01:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #4040 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-08 01:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4040: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4040/
2015-02-08 01:44 <osjenkins> dahlia: llLookAt() strength parameter should slow rotation as it is increased. Thanks Vegaslan for pointing this out.
2015-02-08 03:41 <misterblue> ping dahlia.... are you testing llLookAt with BulletSim or ODE or both
2015-02-08 03:43 <misterblue> I noticed one of your fixes was removing a times 10... I've previously found some places that didn't take frame rate into account (11FPS is close to 10)
2015-02-08 04:00 <dahlia> misterblue: bulletsim so far but ya ode isnt working at all yet
2015-02-08 04:01 <misterblue> There were some forces in ODE that were off by a factor of 10... one reason why steering a car is different in BulletSim than ODE
2015-02-08 04:01 <dahlia> I dont know if setting angular velocity works at all in ode, was just starting to look around to see if I can find why
2015-02-08 04:02 <misterblue> BulletSim is more like SL and the factor is by about 10.... I figured that there were some frame rate divides that weren't happening in ODE somewhere
2015-02-08 04:02 <misterblue> when I saw that someone had multiplied by 10 to 'make things work'... I wondered if that could be the problem
2015-02-08 04:03 <dahlia> ya I took out the 10 figuring that it cant turn more than PI in a single frame
2015-02-08 04:03 <dahlia> at least the way I have it coded now
2015-02-08 04:04 <dahlia> anyway glad you're looking over my shoulder :)
2015-02-08 04:04 <misterblue> things can spin twice between frames :)
2015-02-08 04:04 <dahlia> well I dont set it to spin more than PI
2015-02-08 04:04 <dahlia> I guess if frames slow down it might break
2015-02-08 04:05 <misterblue> there was also the problem of having llLookAt and llMoveToTarget for physical objects running at the same time.... you must have fixed that (after seeing your video)
2015-02-08 04:06 <dahlia> well llMoveToTarget has a glitch 
2015-02-08 04:07 <dahlia> but ya the old method that I discarded did seem to conflict 
2015-02-08 04:07 <dahlia> it was setting rotation directly rather than just angular velocity
2015-02-08 04:08 <misterblue> a glitch with physical llMoveToTarget?
2015-02-08 04:08 <dahlia> anyway it seems llMoveToTarget acts funny the first time an object is set physical
2015-02-08 04:08 <dahlia> then unset and set again and it works better
2015-02-08 04:09 <dahlia> kinda like the PID stuff doesnt self-calibrate the first time... but I cant say for sure thats what is going on
2015-02-08 04:09 <misterblue> 'funny' in that it is doesn't go to the right target?
2015-02-08 04:09 <dahlia> ya it just kinda floats off
2015-02-08 04:09 <dahlia> unset and set again and it works
2015-02-08 04:09 <misterblue> humm... I'll look at that
2015-02-08 04:09 <dahlia> so was gonna peek into the PID stuff
2015-02-08 04:10 <misterblue> BulletSim currently does llMoveToTarget by applying forces to the object... tends to overshoot the target and have to come back
2015-02-08 04:10 <dahlia> I dont think thats a bad way to do it
2015-02-08 04:11 <dahlia> I have scripts which do the same thing
2015-02-08 04:11 <misterblue> The moveToTarget actor in BulletSim isn't using a full PID controller... it is a simple divide by distance
2015-02-08 04:11 <dahlia> oh
2015-02-08 04:11 <dahlia> I only saw "PID" in there, havent looked closely
2015-02-08 04:11 <misterblue> I tried making a perfectly general PID controller (with all the parameters for P, I and D) but haven't finished debugging it
2015-02-08 04:12 <dahlia> ya I have a crude LSL one
2015-02-08 04:12 <dahlia> back when llMoveToTarget was completely bonkers I wrote it
2015-02-08 04:12 <misterblue> there is a thing called a 'motor' in BUlletSim.... one subclass is a PID controller... the most common is the linear motor
2015-02-08 04:13 <dahlia> is that a bullet feature? or a feature of the wrapper?
2015-02-08 04:14 <dahlia> anyway llLookAt seems to be working pretty well after my last commit, at least with bullet
2015-02-08 04:14 <misterblue> it is in the C# code... an actor can be added to a prim and the actor is called per frame... the actors use the motors to compute what shoulld happen this frame
2015-02-08 04:15 <misterblue> I saw your video... much better
2015-02-08 04:15 <misterblue> now you need to content creators to give a thumbs up
2015-02-08 04:15 <dahlia> ah ok I wondered because googling "bullet physics motor" wasnt giving me anything
2015-02-08 04:15 <misterblue> of course, that just means they will ask for some other broken feature to be fixed :)
2015-02-08 04:15 <dahlia> ya I'm chatting with a few creators
2015-02-08 04:16 <dahlia> lol feature creep
2015-02-08 04:17 <misterblue> in OpenSim.Region.Physics.BulletSim, look for the class BSActorMoveToTarget... and the class BSMotors
2015-02-08 04:18 <dahlia> what I did find strange was I first tried to implement this by adding rotational impulses but I could find no correlation between mass and change in angular velocity
2015-02-08 04:18 <dahlia> so I figured something strange was going on in there and I just set angular velocity instead after plumbing it
2015-02-08 04:20 <misterblue> there is some calcuation of inertia based on mass... not sure of its application to angular forces, though
2015-02-08 04:20 <dahlia> didnt find any correlation in SL either
2015-02-08 04:21 <misterblue> well, we aren't supposed to model reality... we're supposed to model SL :)
2015-02-08 04:21 <dahlia> using llApplyRotationalImpulse() 
2015-02-08 04:21 <dahlia> gave funky results in SL
2015-02-08 04:22 <misterblue> I get complaints that avatars can't walk up stairs backwards... wtf? but you can in SL, they say
2015-02-08 04:22 <dahlia> meh
2015-02-08 04:22 <dahlia> that's the usual impetus for what's called a "bug" on mantis...  "But SL does it that way"
2015-02-08 04:23 <dahlia> 
ACTION waits for a bug report "collisions with sculpted prims dont collide as if the shape is a convex hull of a torus"

2015-02-08 04:25 <dahlia> </rant>
2015-02-08 04:25 <misterblue> LOL... looks like dinner is served here... back in a bit
2015-02-08 04:25 <AllenKerensky> well with LL pulling back from SL - that should be less of a concern for opensim these days
2015-02-08 04:25 <misterblue> and great work, dahlia
2015-02-08 04:26 <dahlia> kk ty misterblue :)
2015-02-08 04:26 <AllenKerensky> and yes - movetotarget and lookat working will be verra nice for a number of uses
2015-02-08 04:27 <dahlia> AllenKerensky: and soon we will get mantis bugs for not doing what SL2 does
2015-02-08 04:27 <AllenKerensky> ugh don't remind me
2015-02-08 04:27 <dahlia> lol
2015-02-08 04:27 <AllenKerensky> "can I upload my IAR to SL2" 
2015-02-08 04:27 <AllenKerensky> there's one for you to enjoy
2015-02-08 04:28 <dahlia> Id rather download my IAR from SL1
2015-02-08 04:28 <dahlia> anyway I n33dz f00d 2, bbiab
2015-02-08 06:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #4041 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-08 06:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4041: SUCCESS in 4 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4041/
2015-02-08 06:57 <osjenkins> dahlia: Somewhat naive implementation of RotationalVelocity setter for ODE. Enables llSetRotationalVelocity(), llTargetOmega(), llLookAt(), and probably a few more LSL features for physical objects in ODE.
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2015-02-08 21:18 <smxy> Is Singularity unable to render rigged mesh? I obtained an outfit on an OpenSim grid that looks awesome in Firestorm, but Singularity, on either of my iMacs displays none of it.
2015-02-08 21:53 <nebadon_laptop> smxy it can
2015-02-08 22:16 <LiruCookies> smxy: What version of OS X? What version of Singu?
2015-02-08 22:49 <osmantis> Bug #7436:04 Physics of mesh objects are either non walkable, phantom or unpassable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7436 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2015-02-08 23:00 <osmantis> Bug #7436:04 Physics of mesh objects are either non walkable, phantom or unpassable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7436 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-08 23:11 <osmantis> Bug #7436:04 Physics of mesh objects are either non walkable, phantom or unpassable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7436 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-08 23:48 <smxy> Hmm. Even in admin/god mode, I can't seem to set a resident's region from adult to general. The adult checkbox is greyed out.
2015-02-08 23:53 <Bwild> smxy, godmode requires the ini's for that; even Test User cant be god w/o the ini's
2015-02-09 00:00 <smxy> It's set in the ini.
2015-02-09 00:00 <smxy> I can chenge many things, just not that, for some reason. 
2015-02-09 00:00 <smxy> change*
2015-02-09 00:01 <smxy> I've been running my grid for 5 years. Pretty sure I know how to enable gode mode. :)
2015-02-09 00:03 <Bwild> oh this is the dev channel, i dont comment here anyway
2015-02-09 00:04 <Bwild> packs up pole and napsack and heads over to opensim
2015-02-09 00:18 <osmantis> Bug #7436:04 Physics of mesh objects are either non walkable, phantom or unpassable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7436 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-09 00:38 <LiruCookies> smxy: What version of OS X? What version of Singu?
2015-02-09 02:33 <smxy> LiruCookies: 10.10.1 and 10.6.8. Alpha 1.8.6 (6333).
2015-02-09 02:33 <smxy> I was surprised it didn't show at all.
2015-02-09 02:34 <smxy> I'll try clearing my cache.
2015-02-09 02:38 <smxy> Nope. I notice that on the 10.6.8 my pants briefly appeared in mid-air near my head and looked okay, but then they went away and now are just a smal blue triangle that stretches between my ankles. my showes and hair are nowhere to be seen, in any form.
2015-02-09 02:38 <smxy> shoes*
2015-02-09 02:42 <nebadon_laptop> sounds like asset download isnt completin
2015-02-09 02:42 <nebadon_laptop> if you see a blue triangle
2015-02-09 04:12 <smxy> nebadon_laptop: works perfectly in FS though. Very odd.
2015-02-09 04:14 <nebadon_laptop> what are the bandwidth settings for each of those viewers on mac?
2015-02-09 04:14 <nebadon_laptop> is it set the same?
2015-02-09 04:16 <LiruCookies> mesh is fetched http, does maxbandwidth even affect that? I thought it is udp only, or is that just singu?
2015-02-09 04:17 <nebadon_laptop> I am not sure honestly
2015-02-09 04:17 <nebadon_laptop> doesnt singularity have seperate http bandwidth setting?
2015-02-09 04:18 <nebadon_laptop> no i guess not its texture
2015-02-09 04:19 <smxy> sorry, stepped away
2015-02-09 04:19 <LiruCookies> hm
2015-02-09 04:19 <LiruCookies> might be all in other viewerz
2015-02-09 04:20 <nebadon_laptop> ya if i recall firestorm only has one bandwidth slider
2015-02-09 04:23 <smxy> Interesting. One of the Singularity's just decided to render it.
2015-02-09 04:24 <smxy> So it *can* do it.
2015-02-09 04:39 <smxy> I have no clue why it wouldn't before and does now, though. Weird.
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2015-02-09 05:08 <dahlia> misterblue: ping
2015-02-09 05:08 <misterblue> pong
2015-02-09 05:09 <dahlia> hi
2015-02-09 05:09 <dahlia> in BSActorMoveToTarget.cs, "/* Someday use the PID controller"
2015-02-09 05:09 <dahlia> any reason we cant use it now?
2015-02-09 05:10 <dahlia> seems to work a little better, at least in my simple test
2015-02-09 05:10 <misterblue> last time I tried it, it didn't work
2015-02-09 05:10 <dahlia> oh?
2015-02-09 05:10 <dahlia> works for me (tm)
2015-02-09 05:11 <misterblue> that's cool
2015-02-09 05:11 <dahlia> I'll try again to make sure I was really doing what I thought I was doing
2015-02-09 05:17 <dahlia> hmmm maybe it's not :/
2015-02-09 05:20 <dahlia> never mind :)
2015-02-09 05:31 <misterblue> lol
2015-02-09 05:32 <misterblue> the form is there but I never tuned it... off by a LONG way is possible
2015-02-09 05:33 <dahlia> I still haven't grokked the motor class yet
2015-02-09 05:43 <misterblue> it is supposed to change a value from the current value to a target value
2015-02-09 05:43 <misterblue> if at location X and moving to location Y, calling the motor on each simulation step gives the next value
2015-02-09 05:44 <misterblue> BulletSim uses them to change velocity to a target, keep a hovering thing at some altitude, ...
2015-02-09 05:46 <dahlia> I see Mover() and Mover2() each call somr form of Step()
2015-02-09 05:46 <dahlia> *some
2015-02-09 05:48 <dahlia> looks like they also determine the force for the simulation step
2015-02-09 05:50 <dahlia> so Step() says "go here next" and Mover sets the forces to go there
2015-02-09 05:55 <dahlia> know offhand how I can enable m_physicsScene.DetailLog() ?
2015-02-09 10:21 <dahlia> misterblue: http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?362158-Academy-of-Motion-Picture-Arts-and-Sciences-honours-Erwin-Coumans-open-source-Bullet
2015-02-09 18:21 <AllenKerensky> OSgrid update for 2015-02-09 http://news.osgrid.org
2015-02-09 19:06 <smxy> So, if OSGrid replicates it's data as they've been saying they will, and a controller starts diddling all over things, the corruption will be sutifully copied to the replica. If they don't do backups, it'll be the same as not having them. Again.
2015-02-09 19:06 <smxy> dutifully*
2015-02-09 19:08 <AllenKerensky> yeah that's understood smxy
2015-02-09 19:09 <AllenKerensky> that's why all the trouble to do a new setup rather than just chuck in raid card and drive replacement and call it a day
2015-02-09 19:13 <AliciaRaven> AllenKerensky, so there will be a backup aswell?
2015-02-09 19:14 <AllenKerensky> yeah
2015-02-09 19:14 <AliciaRaven> how oftern will backups be taken?
2015-02-09 19:14 <AllenKerensky> part of the new setup is to enable just that without clobbering production
2015-02-09 19:14 <AllenKerensky> dunno yet
2015-02-09 19:15 <AllenKerensky> gotta get the new setup to work as needed
2015-02-09 19:15 <AllenKerensky> and then see how it works with full dataset in place
2015-02-09 19:15 <AllenKerensky> THEN have good idea what baselines and increments schedules might be 
2015-02-09 19:15 <AliciaRaven> ok, sounds good
2015-02-09 19:24 <smxy> Good to hear. :)
2015-02-09 21:08 <H-H-H> hey guys and gals who would you recomend for a cheap vps capabe of running 2-3 light regions that only myself and one other person will visit with the exception of the odd hg visitor?
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2015-02-10 00:18 <AliciaRaven> huh how can gatekeeper report a hg user entering and give a local network ip address
2015-02-10 00:22 <AliciaRaven> must print to console what the viewer sees the ip address as
2015-02-10 00:23 <justincc> what's the format of the message?
2015-02-10 00:24 <AliciaRaven> gatekeeper login request for a hg visitor, let me see if i can find it again
2015-02-10 00:26 <AliciaRaven> 192.168.x.x had me worried, it has to be whats sent by the viewer?
2015-02-10 00:28 <justincc> I presume the transfer was successful?
2015-02-10 00:29 <AliciaRaven> yes, they were logged in 7 minutes
2015-02-10 00:29 <AliciaRaven> came from hg.hyperica.com and returned to their home grid hg.ithiliens.com
2015-02-10 00:30 <justincc> I suspect that will be on their internal network.  I guess it can't be the one actually used for hg authentication, wjhich will be the HomeURI service uri
2015-02-10 00:31 <justincc> makes it pretty useless information thuogh
2015-02-10 00:31 <AliciaRaven> yea, i was thinking the console must have been printing what the viewer told it, and the viewer had firewall issues
2015-02-10 00:32 <AliciaRaven> my firewall is tighter than a crabs ass, but still made me panic when i saw it
2015-02-10 00:33 <justincc> if you look at the output of "show circuits" it should show their real IP since that is required by the udp stack
2015-02-10 00:34 <AliciaRaven> well they arnt on now, was a few days ago
2015-02-10 00:34 <AliciaRaven> dont think it would happen oftern, should i file a mantis or just leave it?
2015-02-10 00:35 <justincc> I would leave it - it might be that I wrote that debug msg and ended up printing something out that isn't acutally useful
2015-02-10 00:35 <AliciaRaven> came across it while looking at abnormalities in stat processing, use ip to generate stats for countries
2015-02-10 00:35 <justincc> though arguably it's leaking info from someone's internal network, which is not hot
2015-02-10 00:35 <smxy> alicia, I was just noticing that in my logs for me, too. I have no idea how that's happening.
2015-02-10 00:36 <AliciaRaven> ok, well if its not security related it can just be ignored lol
2015-02-10 00:36 <KF5YFD> your not using reverse nat are you?
2015-02-10 00:36 <justincc> I do not believe this is security related
2015-02-10 00:36 <justincc> when an agent transfers to another grid, the home grid sends a login agent request which copies the circuit data
2015-02-10 00:37 <smxy> I have working NAT loopback, but it's started seeing me as my internal address on TPs from another grid, back to mine.
2015-02-10 00:37 <justincc> but that looks like the agent's current circuit data
2015-02-10 00:37 <smxy> I get back okay, but it doesn't look right.
2015-02-10 00:38 <AliciaRaven> well i could understand if the viewer was on the same machine as the grid, but its not, and its not any of my team
2015-02-10 00:39 <smxy> AliciaRaven: Care to enlighten us as to how you kow just how tight a crab's ass is? ;)
2015-02-10 00:39 <AliciaRaven> has to be water tight yes?
2015-02-10 00:39 <AliciaRaven> so must be lol
2015-02-10 00:39 <smxy> haha
2015-02-10 00:40 <AliciaRaven> eh joke from a tv show, makes me laugh so stuck in my head i guess
2015-02-10 00:43 <smxy> My favorite Winter phrase used to be (when asked how cold it was outside) that it was "Colder than a witch's left tit, in January.", because my dad told it to me when I was a kid and it made me giggle. Then I grew up and discovered that my female friends, and my female Wiccan friends, in particular, frowned on it, so I gave it up. :) Now it's just damned cold. :)
2015-02-10 00:43 <AliciaRaven> lol i usualy go with its colder than a penguins ass
2015-02-10 00:43 <smxy> haha
2015-02-10 00:46 <AliciaRaven> dont know how cold that is from experience either :)
2015-02-10 00:47 <KF5YFD> i live south of heaven so it never gets verry cold here
2015-02-10 00:47 <justincc> they're probably pretty warm what with all that insulatino
2015-02-10 00:55 <AliciaRaven> lol
2015-02-10 00:56 <AliciaRaven> yep i guess so, i bet the coldest thing in the universe would be the brass name plate on the voyager space craft lol
2015-02-10 00:59 <justincc> alright, I need to rest, hope to be around a bit more tomorrow
2015-02-10 00:59 <justincc> 
ACTION waves

2015-02-10 01:41 <zadarkAlt1> Interesting LL take on hover height http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Featured-News/Check-Out-the-Latest-Improvements-to-Second-Life/ba-p/2895496?utm_source=FeaturedNews&utm_medium=Story&utm_campaign=SocialCM 
2015-02-10 01:58 <AllenKerensky> yeah Henri Beauchamp had a huge rant about that on the dev mailing list
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2015-02-10 19:09 <Plugh> I won't be at todays meeting. My laptop killed its second HD and my main machine is still down.
2015-02-10 19:09 <Plugh> I'm down	to my tablet and a Raspberry PI.
2015-02-10 19:10 <nebadon_laptop> ouch, ok Plugh that sucks!
2015-02-10 19:13 <Plugh> It does. I need a power supply tester for my desktop PSU to make sure it is OK. It is rather new so it should be. 
2015-02-10 19:16 <Plugh> New MB/CPU/ram for desktop is going to be around $500. No point getting old used/refurbished MB to place the one Tharp won't boot so I might as well get an upgrade to replace the old c2d bits I had been using. 
2015-02-10 19:17 <Plugh> Tharp???
2015-02-10 19:17 <Plugh> S/Tharp/that/
2015-02-10 19:18 <Plugh> silly auto-correct on this tablet.
2015-02-10 20:50 <paulieflomar_h> PLugh, if your tablet is Android, you can use the free client "Lumiya" to visit OpenSim regions. It has 3D graphical display. Typing is not fun on an onscreen keyboard, but can be done.
2015-02-10 20:51 <paulieflomar_h> SL Go is also an option for Android tablets. It's cheap, but not free.
2015-02-10 20:51 <paulieflomar_h> Although Im not aure Sl Go can connect to OpenSim, so thats a "maybe," I guess.
2015-02-10 20:52 <paulieflomar_h> Oh yeah, I see that Firestorm client now supports Sl GO for multi-grid visits!
2015-02-10 21:02 <dahlia> lumiya is free now? I had to pay a couple $ for it when I got it
2015-02-10 21:23 <osmantis> Bug #7437:04 Rezzing problem object results in endless messages logged and excessive CPU use 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7437 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-02-10 21:26 <osmantis> Bug #7437:04 Rezzing problem object results in endless messages logged and excessive CPU use 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7437 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-10 21:26 <osmantis> Bug #7437:04 Rezzing problem object results in endless messages logged and excessive CPU use 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7437 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-02-10 21:27 <osmantis> Bug #7437:04 Rezzing problem object results in endless messages logged and excessive CPU use 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7437 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-10 21:27 <osmantis> Bug #7437:04 Rezzing problem object results in endless messages logged and excessive CPU use 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7437 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-10 21:31 <osmantis> Bug #7437:04 Rezzing problem object results in endless messages logged and excessive CPU use 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7437 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-10 21:33 <osmantis> Bug #7437:04 Rezzing problem object results in endless messages logged and excessive CPU use 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7437 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-10 21:41 <osmantis> Bug #7437:04 Rezzing problem object results in endless messages logged and excessive CPU use 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7437 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-10 22:10 <osmantis> Bug #7356:04 llGetPrimitiveParams returns transparency instead of alpha for PRIM_TEXT 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7356 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-10 22:11 <osmantis> Bug #7356:04 llGetPrimitiveParams returns transparency instead of alpha for PRIM_TEXT 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7356 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-02-10 22:16 <Plugh> pauliefloor_h: thanks. I'll take a look for it.
2015-02-10 22:19 <nebadon_laptop> anyone who is bored HG to http://raspberrypi.nebadon2025.com:9314
2015-02-10 22:21 <Plugh> The RaspberryPI ref in that URL got my attention but I can't HG TP to anywhere.
2015-02-10 22:28 <Plugh> 
ACTION wonders if Lebanon is running OS off a PI

2015-02-10 22:28 <Plugh> Gr8...darn auto-correct  :-P
2015-02-10 22:29 <SammyG3> attempting
2015-02-10 22:29 <SammyG3> attempt failed
2015-02-10 22:29 <nebadon_laptop> I saw you trying SammyG3
2015-02-10 22:29 <nebadon_laptop> try a second time
2015-02-10 22:30 <SammyG3> k
2015-02-10 22:30 <nebadon_laptop> seems like HG fails a lot on the first attempt
2015-02-10 22:30 <SammyG3> coming from kitely
2015-02-10 22:30 <nebadon_laptop> cool you made it this time
2015-02-10 22:30 <SammyG3> im somewhere, way up in the air
2015-02-10 22:30 <SammyG3> heh
2015-02-10 22:30 <nebadon_laptop> ya give it a minute to rez
2015-02-10 22:31 <SammyG3> k, is that a Pi 2?
2015-02-10 22:31 <nebadon_laptop> its a B+
2015-02-10 22:31 <nebadon_laptop> my V2 has not arrived yet
2015-02-10 22:31 <SammyG3> oh ok, ya know they just came out with Pi 2 with quad core and 1gb ram
2015-02-10 22:31 <nebadon_laptop> ships on the 23rd I think
2015-02-10 22:31 <nebadon_laptop> yea
2015-02-10 22:31 <SammyG3> just ordered 2
2015-02-10 22:31 <SammyG3> it was like, "Take my money"
2015-02-10 22:31 <nebadon_laptop> ya me too
2015-02-10 22:32 <nebadon_laptop> i should have it by the end of the month
2015-02-10 22:32 <SammyG3> cool, walking around....
2015-02-10 22:32 <SammyG3> this ode?
2015-02-10 22:33 <SammyG3> Just zoomed out, standing on a big Raspberry Pi
2015-02-10 22:33 <SammyG3> haaha
2015-02-10 22:34 <Plugh> I have a B. I was going to order a 2 but the site was overloaded and by the time it wasn't they were sold out.
2015-02-10 22:35 <Plugh> Cool, Sammy
2015-02-10 22:38 <nebadon_laptop> SammyG3 nope
2015-02-10 22:38 <nebadon_laptop> its Bulletsim
2015-02-10 22:38 <nebadon_laptop> bulletxna
2015-02-10 22:38 <nebadon_laptop> the C# version
2015-02-10 22:41 <nebadon_laptop> anyone interested in running on a Pi, here is what I followed
2015-02-10 22:41 <nebadon_laptop> http://www.s-config.com/opensimraspberry-pi-rasbian-hard-float-works/
2015-02-10 22:41 <nebadon_laptop> i will try to write up what i did when i get some time
2015-02-10 22:42 <SammyG3> thanks for the link
2015-02-10 22:42 <nebadon_laptop> np
2015-02-10 22:47 <Plugh> I'm going over to my PI to work on getting it to program an AVR UC
2015-02-10 22:48 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2015-02-10 22:49 <nebadon_laptop> http://raspberrypi.nebadon2025.com:3141
2015-02-10 22:49 <Plugh> It seems to program the part but the part doesn't run the program properly. It might not like running at 3.3V
2015-02-10 22:49 <nebadon_laptop> is my pi website
2015-02-10 22:49 <Plugh> OK
2015-02-10 22:49 <nebadon_laptop> not much there yet
2015-02-10 22:49 <nebadon_laptop> but its running apache server and opensim simultanously
2015-02-10 22:49 <nebadon_laptop> running fairly well
2015-02-10 22:49 <Plugh> I haven't set up a section on my site for AVR stuff 
2015-02-10 22:50 <Plugh> Nice
2015-02-10 22:54 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/raspberrypi/raspberry_pi_001.png
2015-02-10 22:54 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/raspberrypi/raspberry_pi_002.png
2015-02-10 22:54 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/raspberrypi/raspberry_pi_003.png
2015-02-10 22:54 <nebadon_laptop> hello diva
2015-02-10 22:54 <nebadon_laptop> i got Opensim running on my Raspberry Pi
2015-02-10 22:54 <nebadon_laptop> HG to http://raspberrypi.nebadon2025.com:9314
2015-02-10 22:59 <Plugh> The programming I've done in C# meant that I was able to write my first program in Java for Android.
2015-02-10 23:00 <Plugh> Last time I touched Java was when v1.3 had just been released.
2015-02-10 23:01 <Plugh> It was too alien a language back then for my procedural programming mind.
2015-02-10 23:01 <Plugh> Now I see a lot of similarity to C# due to my work on OS.
2015-02-10 23:06 <antont> yah in a way java and c# are the same
2015-02-10 23:06 <antont> though ofc there are all sorts of differences by now too .. and diff libs etc
2015-02-10 23:06 <antont> but anyhow
2015-02-10 23:06 <antont> say compared to ruby and haskell
2015-02-10 23:06 <Plugh> Yeah, and both are similar to C
2015-02-10 23:07 <antont> and c++ yep
2015-02-10 23:07 <antont> c/c++/java/c# family
2015-02-10 23:07 <Plugh> I don't touch C++
2015-02-10 23:07 <antont> much of java and c# comes from c++ i think
2015-02-10 23:08 <antont> classes, the public / private / static / protected / friend / enemy / bollocks etc. (ok well there is less in the newer langs than in c++)
2015-02-10 23:08 <antont> c doesn't have any of those
2015-02-10 23:08 <antont> just struct :)
2015-02-10 23:08 <Plugh> I like the look of C# better than C++
2015-02-10 23:08 <antont> yah it's simpler and clearer ofc
2015-02-10 23:08 <antont> c++ can be nice enough too though
2015-02-10 23:09 <antont> scheme seems to be a nice enough kind of nice lang for jvm, not too different from java but simpler
2015-02-10 23:09 <antont> but just using c# or java is i find nice enough too and often most practical
2015-02-10 23:09 <Plugh> Its cout << thing seems awful to me. I just want my print
2015-02-10 23:09 <Plugh> Printf
2015-02-10 23:09 <antont> yah well you can just print in c++ too
2015-02-10 23:10 <antont> usually there is some whatver::log("thing") or something
2015-02-10 23:10 <Plugh> Never seen any examples of it. Only using << junk
2015-02-10 23:10 <antont> #include "easylogging++.h"
2015-02-10 23:10 <antont> INITIALIZE_EASYLOGGINGPP
2015-02-10 23:10 <antont> int main(int argv, char* argc[]) { LOG(INFO) << "My first info log using default logger"; return 0;
2015-02-10 23:10 <antont> }
2015-02-10 23:10 <antont> in https://github.com/easylogging/easyloggingpp
2015-02-10 23:11 <antont> i think our codebases only have some logging funcs, no cout << or such nonsense
2015-02-10 23:11 <antont> or, well
2015-02-10 23:12 <Plugh> Only time I got close to C++ was to adapt and update attende-gui to 
2015-02-10 23:12 <Plugh> Python from C++.
2015-02-10 23:12 <antont> yah e.g. kNet/src/Network.cpp has KNET_LOG(LogInfo, "Host name is %s", ac);
2015-02-10 23:12 <Plugh> Acknowledged
2015-02-10 23:12 <antont> in our c++ client code
2015-02-10 23:12 <Plugh> avrdude-GUI
2015-02-10 23:12 <antont> some av thing or what?
2015-02-10 23:13 <Plugh> Its a GUI front end for the program that programs AVR microcontrollers.
2015-02-10 23:17 <antont> ah
2015-02-10 23:17 <Plugh> bbl. I'm off to work out the wiring for a PI so I can have buffer chip between its SPI out and my AVR parts
2015-02-10 23:18 <Plugh> Going to make a board that can plug in to the PI's G
2015-02-10 23:19 <Plugh> GPIO header.
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2015-02-10 23:43 <osmantis> Bug #7437:04 Rezzing problem object results in endless messages logged and excessive CPU use 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7437 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-11 00:59 <osmantis> Bug #7437:04 Rezzing problem object results in endless messages logged and excessive CPU use 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7437 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-02-11 01:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #4042 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-11 01:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4042: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4042/
2015-02-11 01:05 <osjenkins> jjustincc: If serialized scene object XML has a SavedScriptState with no UUID, then read past the innerXML instead of wrongly continously looping on the same element.
2015-02-11 02:00 <osmantis> Bug #7437:04 Rezzing problem object results in endless messages logged and excessive CPU use 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7437 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2015-02-11 02:29 <nebadon_laptop> anyone ever seen a problem where you can not change your avatar from female to male, just setup a new standalone, logged in my avatar, made all new peices, hair, shape, skin etc.. everything attaches fine, no warnings or errors on the console, but when i try to change from the default ruth to male, it just doesn't take seem completely unable to change
2015-02-11 04:51 <Bwild> u
2015-02-11 04:52 <Bwild> oops
2015-02-11 13:03 <osmantis> Bug #7316:04 Avatar jumps when looking down and walking forward 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7316 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-11 17:19 <osmantis> Bug #7316:04 Avatar jumps when looking down and walking forward 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7316 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-11 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #7408:04 Avatar Names Display Faulty 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-11 21:16 <BranTheBuilder_> Is there a limit on how many concurrent logins from one IP a region accepts?
2015-02-11 21:17 <BranTheBuilder_> I have multiple viewers running but there seems to be a limit. The last viewer stays at "Waiting for Region Handshake"
2015-02-11 21:18 <BranTheBuilder_> I am only at 7% CPU utilization and have 95% free memory when I reach the limit.
2015-02-11 21:26 <dahlia> BranTheBuilder_: not really a limit in opensim
2015-02-11 21:27 <dahlia> sometimes home versions of windows have some limits on tcp connections but that message is usually UDP
2015-02-11 21:28 <BranTheBuilder_> I am running on Ubuntu. Any other ideas what can be limiting me. I know its not resources.
2015-02-11 21:28 <osmantis> Bug #7408:04 Avatar Names Display Faulty 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-11 21:29 <dahlia> no other ideas. is the viewer having trouble on a different machine or lan?
2015-02-11 21:29 <BranTheBuilder_> different machine and different lan
2015-02-11 21:29 <dahlia> if so could be some firewall/router config thing
2015-02-11 21:30 <BranTheBuilder_> I am able to login 25 viewers from one machine, 15 from 2 other machines, all on different routers.
2015-02-11 21:30 <dahlia> make sure your external IP is properly set in your Regions.ini file
2015-02-11 21:30 <BranTheBuilder_> Its the 26th login, and 16th on the two other machines.
2015-02-11 21:31 <nebadon_laptop> how odd
2015-02-11 21:32 <nebadon_laptop> there should really be no limits on Linux
2015-02-11 21:32 <nebadon_laptop> do you get any specific errors?
2015-02-11 21:32 <nebadon_laptop> wondering if its the open files issue
2015-02-11 21:32 <BranTheBuilder_> No errors, just "Waiting for Region Handshake"
2015-02-11 21:32 <BranTheBuilder_> each viewer has an independent cache
2015-02-11 21:32 <nebadon_laptop> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=65
2015-02-11 21:33 <nebadon_laptop> this above is the only time i have ever seen out of the box linux have issues
2015-02-11 21:33 <BranTheBuilder_> Thank you!
2015-02-11 21:33 <nebadon_laptop> but generally you get an error on the region console about not enough open files or something
2015-02-11 21:33 <nebadon_laptop> even if it doesnt fix this
2015-02-11 21:33 <nebadon_laptop> you should do this
2015-02-11 21:33 <nebadon_laptop> cause eventually it will likely be a problem
2015-02-11 21:34 <BranTheBuilder_> Ok I will. 
2015-02-11 21:34 <nebadon_laptop> what version of mono?
2015-02-11 21:35 <dahlia> try logging in the problem machine with the others logged out
2015-02-11 21:36 <BranTheBuilder_> mono is not installed
2015-02-11 21:36 <BranTheBuilder_> oh, you mean for my region?
2015-02-11 21:36 <BranTheBuilder_> My region is hosted on a windows machine using VS10
2015-02-11 21:38 <dahlia> ya windows sometimes has limits
2015-02-11 21:38 <dahlia> on tcp
2015-02-11 21:38 <dahlia> udp probably shouldnt matter I'd think
2015-02-11 21:39 <BranTheBuilder_> ok, thanks
2015-02-11 21:39 <BranTheBuilder_> if nebadon's link instructions does not increase the limit, i will try hosting my region on ubuntu
2015-02-11 21:39 <BranTheBuilder_> Thank you both for your help!
2015-02-11 21:40 <dahlia> does the problem viewer machine log in if its the only one?
2015-02-11 21:40 <nebadon_laptop> oh ya Windows definitely has limits
2015-02-11 21:40 <nebadon_laptop> is it Windows server or like XP/7/8?
2015-02-11 21:41 <nebadon_laptop> Windows Desktop does not make a good server in my opinion
2015-02-11 21:41 <nebadon_laptop> ok for a testing sandbox
2015-02-11 21:41 <nebadon_laptop> but if your expecting more than 20 visitors
2015-02-11 21:41 <nebadon_laptop> probably a bad idea
2015-02-11 21:41 <BranTheBuilder_> windows 2010 server
2015-02-11 21:41 <nebadon_laptop> ok thats a bit better then
2015-02-11 21:41 <nebadon_laptop> kind of odd it would cut off at the same number everytime
2015-02-11 21:42 <nebadon_laptop> is it 32 bit or 64 bit?
2015-02-11 21:42 <dahlia> I used to run osgrid regions on a windows vista desktop box but I had to do some registry tweaks to allow many connections
2015-02-11 21:42 <BranTheBuilder_> 64bit windows
2015-02-11 21:42 <nebadon_laptop> microsoft did away with those registry settings in Windows 7+
2015-02-11 21:42 <nebadon_laptop> now you have to hexedit tcpip.sys I think
2015-02-11 21:42 <nebadon_laptop> which is hairy
2015-02-11 21:42 <nebadon_laptop> ok so no resource limits
2015-02-11 21:42 <nebadon_laptop> very odd for sure
2015-02-11 21:43 <BranTheBuilder_> Thank you both again. *fingers crossed*
2015-02-11 21:43 <nebadon_laptop> no problem, good luck
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2015-02-12 17:09 <osmantis> Bug #7438:04 OpenSim.Services.UserProfilesService no longer functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7438 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2015-02-12 20:02 <PirateNinja> Does OpenSim use multi-threaded bullet or just single threaded bullet?
2015-02-12 20:12 <AllenKerensky> not sure - but in one test I did with 256 NPCs - all else equal - ODE was taking 14ms of the frame time to do everything... bullet only took 4ms
2015-02-12 20:12 <AllenKerensky> so - with bullet enabled vs ODE on that region, it make a 10ms per frame performance boost
2015-02-12 20:13 <AllenKerensky> or ... another way to say - bullet was much more efficient for that region - freeing 10ms of time in frame for other stuff to happen
2015-02-12 20:13 <AllenKerensky> not a scientific study tho - just quick looks with sim stats
2015-02-12 20:16 <PirateNinja> Thanks Allen. I am trying to find out if OS runs by default with multithreading disabled and if so, why.
2015-02-12 20:17 <PirateNinja> multi-threading on physics, of course.
2015-02-12 20:31 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Delegate for TriggerOnNewInventoryItemUploadComplete failed - continuing. Document does not have a root element 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-12 20:49 <jakdaniels_> bullet runs in a single thread I think....
2015-02-12 20:57 <PirateNinja> I can run physics on a separate thread (the UseSeparateThread parameter), but do you think all of physics is only given 1 thread?
2015-02-12 21:07 <jakdaniels_> I think so.... the underlying .so or .dll file runs in a single thread iirc
2015-02-12 21:08 <PirateNinja> ok, thanks Jak!
2015-02-12 21:08 <jakdaniels_> misterblue would be the person to say definitely ;)
2015-02-12 21:08 <PirateNinja> ok, I will ask him. Thanks!
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2015-02-13 03:08 <osmantis> Bug #7434:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] Cannot add parcel "Parcel Name"... because this is still occupied by parcel "Parcel Name" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7434 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-13 03:12 <osmantis> Bug #7429:04 Var region sometimes terrain loads from far side of sim towards AV rather than other way around. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7429 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-13 03:13 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious region teleport failure issues, sim and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007389.
2015-02-13 03:13 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between adjoining var regions often causes long viewer freeze or crash. Flying across borders sometimes crashes also. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007428.
2015-02-13 03:15 <osmantis> Bug #7297:04 When walking or flying, AV often gets stuck walking or flying and cannot stop without relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7297 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-02-13 03:15 <osmantis> Bug #7297:04 When walking or flying, AV often gets stuck walking or flying and cannot stop without relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7297 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-02-13 03:16 <osmantis> Bug #7297:04 When walking or flying, AV often gets stuck walking or flying and cannot stop without relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7297 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-02-13 10:45 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Delegate for TriggerOnNewInventoryItemUploadComplete failed - continuing. Document does not have a root element 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-13 10:52 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Delegate for TriggerOnNewInventoryItemUploadComplete failed - continuing. Document does not have a root element 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-02-13 11:00 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Delegate for TriggerOnNewInventoryItemUploadComplete failed - continuing. Document does not have a root element 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-13 20:24 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-02-13 21:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #4043 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-13 21:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4043: SUCCESS in 9 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4043/
2015-02-13 21:09 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add missing BSD headers to files in OpenSim/Framework/ServiceAuth
2015-02-13 21:21 <jakdaniels> hi jjustincc! Would you happen to have the chat log from this week's dev meeting that I missed, to go on http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours or does someone else usually post that up?
2015-02-13 21:22 <justincc> jakdaniels: Yeah sorry - I usually post it and other things completely blew me off course. I'll do itnow
2015-02-13 21:22 <jakdaniels> ok great, thanks!
2015-02-13 21:23 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Delegate for TriggerOnNewInventoryItemUploadComplete failed - continuing. Document does not have a root element 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-13 21:24 <justincc> jakdaniels: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2015-02-10
2015-02-13 21:24 <jakdaniels> thanks justincc
2015-02-13 22:19 <smxy> http://www.redandblack.com/uganews/virtual-reality-program-provides-support-for-students-with-disabilities/article_95071fe4-ac13-11e4-98ce-6f6762582d9b.html
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2015-02-14 05:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #4044 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-14 05:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4044: SUCCESS in 4 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4044/
2015-02-14 05:05 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: bring the BulletSim dll's and so's up to date with
2015-02-14 20:43 <quill_littlefeat> how do i split inventory into a separate robust instance?\
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2015-02-14 20:56 <nebadon> quill_littlefeat > https://gist.github.com/nebadon2025/e3c8d3de530a788989cb
2015-02-14 21:01 <quill_littlefeat> thank you that is helpful
2015-02-14 21:16 <smxy> I wonder then, how you tell the rest of the grid that inventory is on a different port.
2015-02-14 21:27 <nebadon> they have to change their port for that service
2015-02-14 21:27 <nebadon> on osgrid we run 5 inventory services
2015-02-14 21:27 <nebadon> then use nginx to round robin them
2015-02-14 21:33 <smxy> Thanks, nebadon
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2015-02-15 05:12 <nebadon> misterblue are you around?
2015-02-15 05:13 <misterblue> working on a diet so I won't be so round
2015-02-15 05:14 <misterblue> yes, I am around :)
2015-02-15 05:15 <misterblue> just sitting here cursing ruby and all the gems package versioning interdependencies and incompatibilities
2015-02-15 05:15 <nebadon> hey
2015-02-15 05:15 <misterblue> anytime anyone creates a package system, you end up in DLL hell, SO hell, arghh!! 
2015-02-15 05:15 <nebadon> is bulletxna still being maintained at the same level as the main bulletsim?
2015-02-15 05:16 <nebadon> and ya i remember that fun with SRAS heh
2015-02-15 05:16 <nebadon> rvm is nice, there is another one now too
2015-02-15 05:16 <nebadon> the name eludes me though
2015-02-15 05:17 <misterblue> it should be pretty close... it is still the older version of Bullet but I'm not using any of the newer features yet
2015-02-15 05:17 <misterblue> I keep it running but I haven't run tests lately
2015-02-15 05:17 <misterblue> are the Pi's finding problems?
2015-02-15 05:18 <nebadon> not yet
2015-02-15 05:18 <nebadon> its running on my B+ model now
2015-02-15 05:18 <nebadon> and its not bad for avatar movement
2015-02-15 05:19 <nebadon> physical prims makes it pretty laggy
2015-02-15 05:19 <nebadon> but not a single crash yet
2015-02-15 05:19 <nebadon> im setting up my Raspberry Pi 2 now
2015-02-15 05:19 <misterblue> I had an Atom based server that I got rid of because physics just wouldn't work
2015-02-15 05:19 <nebadon> yea
2015-02-15 05:20 <nebadon> I am surprised it runs as good as it does
2015-02-15 05:20 <nebadon> can you hg?
2015-02-15 05:20 <misterblue> there might be something like some FP operations that are getting emulated or have a cycle count that's over the top
2015-02-15 05:20 <misterblue> sure
2015-02-15 05:20 <nebadon> try jumping to http://raspberrypi.nebadon2025.com:9314
2015-02-15 05:21 <nebadon> it might fail first attemp
2015-02-15 05:21 <misterblue> TPing
2015-02-15 05:21 <misterblue> took a while to find the map entry :)
2015-02-15 05:21 <nebadon> im logging in at same time
2015-02-15 05:21 <nebadon> heh
2015-02-15 05:21 <nebadon> yea
2015-02-15 05:22 <misterblue> hey!! things are loading!
2015-02-15 05:22 <misterblue> I can almost walk around :)
2015-02-15 05:37 <dahlia> I tried bulletxna when I was doing the llLookAt() stuff. Can't tell the difference but it's on a real server
2015-02-15 05:38 <dahlia> I remember it ran pretty slow when I tried in on an atom
2015-02-15 05:39 <nebadon> its pretty good on my pi
2015-02-15 05:39 <nebadon> come visit dahlia :)
2015-02-15 05:39 <nebadon> i havent had 3 people yet
2015-02-15 05:39 <dahlia> k 
2015-02-15 07:02 <nebadon> dahlia and misterblue
2015-02-15 07:02 <nebadon> http://grid.nebadon2025.com:8002 OKC World 05
2015-02-15 07:02 <nebadon> running in grid mode on the v2 pi
2015-02-15 07:02 <nebadon> feels much faster
2015-02-15 07:03 <nebadon> physical prims are actually pretty good
2015-02-15 07:03 <dahlia> oh? o.0
2015-02-15 07:03 <dahlia> 
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2015-02-15 07:42 <nebadon> most impressive performance from the v2 raspberry pi with bulletxna
2015-02-15 07:42 <nebadon> we had 2 of cuteulala rovers driving around
2015-02-15 07:42 <nebadon> it wasnt perfect, but it was super impressive
2015-02-15 07:43 <dahlia> and it didnt crash :D
2015-02-15 08:11 <KF5YFD> i wanna see it working with native compile c++ bullet libs
2015-02-15 14:52 <Areys> hi
2015-02-15 14:52 <Areys> anyone around?
2015-02-15 14:52 <Areys> I need some help
2015-02-15 17:53 <nebadon> misterblue or dahlia, anything you can point me to that might help me get bulletsim compiled natively on the raspberry pi 2?
2015-02-15 17:54 <nebadon> also misterblue the raspberry pi I think definitely points out the need for multithreaded bulletsim :) on the v2 pi i seem to max out at 50% cpu
2015-02-15 17:55 <nebadon> thats with running bullet on its own thread
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2015-02-15 19:03 <quill_littlefeat> how do i enable XmlRpcRouterModule in opensim grid? the modual will not compile 
2015-02-15 19:11 <quill_littlefeat> bluewall are you there?
2015-02-15 20:13 <quill_littlefeat> i have XmlRpcHubURI set to www.andromedagrid.com/xmlrpc but i get error [XMLRPC GRID ROUTER]: Error contacting server
2015-02-15 20:53 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-15 21:09 <dahlia> nebadon: I dont have a pi toolchain but I would guess it would be the same as the linux compile for the bullet libs in opensim-libs repo
2015-02-15 21:16 <nebadon> yea i have never compiled bulletsim myself
2015-02-15 21:16 <dahlia> looks like it needs cmake, is that available for pi?
2015-02-15 21:16 <nebadon> im sure it is
2015-02-15 21:16 <dahlia> apt-get install cmake
2015-02-15 21:17 <nebadon> ya i have it
2015-02-15 21:17 <dahlia> maybe first do apt-get update
2015-02-15 21:18 <nebadon> this machine is fully updated as of yesterday
2015-02-15 21:18 <dahlia> git clone git://opensimulator.org/git/opensim-libs
2015-02-15 21:18 <nebadon> k
2015-02-15 21:22 <nebadon> wonder if there is directions for compiling bulletsim on the wiki
2015-02-15 21:23 <nebadon> doesnt look like it, if there is its not obvious to google search
2015-02-15 21:23 <dahlia> trying to build on kubuntu but not sure of the make target for the libs
2015-02-15 21:23 <dahlia> its trying to build the entire demo package and getting stuck
2015-02-15 21:24 <dahlia> anyway cd to opensim-libs/BulletPhysics
2015-02-15 21:24 <dahlia> cmake .
2015-02-15 21:24 <dahlia> make
2015-02-15 21:24 <dahlia> and see what happens
2015-02-15 21:24 <nebadon> ok i see another bulletsim folder
2015-02-15 21:24 <nebadon> opensim-libs/trunk/unmanaged/BulletSim
2015-02-15 21:25 <nebadon> so many different bullet folders
2015-02-15 21:26 <nebadon> missing glut
2015-02-15 21:26 <nebadon> installing freeglut?
2015-02-15 21:27 <dahlia> freeglut ok
2015-02-15 21:27 <dahlia> thats just for the opengl demos
2015-02-15 21:28 <nebadon> ok
2015-02-15 21:28 <nebadon> now im just seeing
2015-02-15 21:28 <nebadon> WARNING: you are using the obsolete 'GLU' package, please use 'OpenGL' instead
2015-02-15 21:28 <dahlia> oh looks like theres some wrapper project
2015-02-15 21:28 <nebadon> but it appears cmake . completed
2015-02-15 21:28 <nebadon> make is running now
2015-02-15 21:29 <nebadon> this might take a bit heh
2015-02-15 21:29 <dahlia> you have more cores? ctrl-c and make -j3
2015-02-15 21:29 <dahlia> for 3 cores
2015-02-15 21:30 <nebadon> ok
2015-02-15 21:30 <nebadon> might as well use all 4 cores :)
2015-02-15 21:30 <nebadon> its running
2015-02-15 21:30 <nebadon> definitely using all 4
2015-02-15 21:31 <dahlia> I usually leave a core free for listening to music ;)
2015-02-15 21:31 <dahlia> looks like some kind of wrapper exists in opensim-libs/trunk/unmanaged/BulletSim
2015-02-15 21:31 <nebadon> im running headless at the moment
2015-02-15 21:31 <dahlia> not sure whats going on with that
2015-02-15 21:31 <nebadon> hmm yea me either
2015-02-15 21:31 <nebadon> off to a good start though
2015-02-15 21:32 <nebadon> 21% complete 
2015-02-15 21:32 <dahlia> afk brb
2015-02-15 21:32 <nebadon> k
2015-02-15 21:35 <nebadon> 42%
2015-02-15 21:38 <nebadon> 70%
2015-02-15 21:38 <nebadon> going fast
2015-02-15 21:38 <dahlia> oh ok there's some instructions
2015-02-15 21:39 <dahlia> opensim-libs/trunk/unmanaged/BulletSim/BUILD.TXT
2015-02-15 21:40 <nebadon> and fail
2015-02-15 21:40 <dahlia> is pi 32 bit or 64?
2015-02-15 21:40 <nebadon> Makefile:113: recipe for target 'all' failed
2015-02-15 21:40 <nebadon> make: *** [all] Error 2
2015-02-15 21:40 <nebadon> i am not sure dahlia
2015-02-15 21:40 <nebadon> im thinking its 32 bit but im not sure
2015-02-15 21:41 <AllenKerensky> 32-bit
2015-02-15 21:41 <nebadon> uname -a > Linux nebadon-pi2 3.18.7-v7+ #755 SMP PREEMPT Thu Feb 12 17:20:48 GMT 2015 armv7l GNU/Linux
2015-02-15 21:41 <nebadon> that is what i thought, thanks AllenKerensky
2015-02-15 21:43 <dahlia> kk not sure what is going on with the bullet distribution in opensim-libs
2015-02-15 21:44 <dahlia> git log shows some activity on that BulletSim folder
2015-02-15 21:44 <nebadon> yea
2015-02-15 21:44 <nebadon> there is several other bullet folders too
2015-02-15 21:44 <nebadon> there is a bulletx and a bulletxna
2015-02-15 21:44 <nebadon> we should clean this up one day lol
2015-02-15 21:44 <dahlia> I think bulletx might have been some old stuff
2015-02-15 21:44 <nebadon> yea
2015-02-15 21:45 <dahlia> I remember a few years back teravus had a bullet port going
2015-02-15 21:45 <nebadon> see what misterblue says, he did say there is a arm community for bullet
2015-02-15 21:45 <nebadon> probably need some switches for cmake
2015-02-15 21:45 <dahlia> I'd try pulling the latest bullet from the bullet repo
2015-02-15 21:45 <nebadon> yea
2015-02-15 21:45 <dahlia> that BUILD.TXT file had the cmake stuff
2015-02-15 21:45 <nebadon> i am going to get some dinner then have a look
2015-02-15 21:46 <nebadon> ya i went through that real quick
2015-02-15 21:46 <nebadon> looks straightforward enough
2015-02-15 21:46 <nebadon> just not sure about what to specify for architecture if anything
2015-02-15 21:46 <nebadon> with libopnejpeg you basically remove the -m32 or something from the Makefile
2015-02-15 21:46 <nebadon> for 32 bit
2015-02-15 21:46 <dahlia> could fire up cmake-gui and pick and choose there
2015-02-15 21:46 <nebadon> so maybe just specifying nothing is enough
2015-02-15 21:47 <nebadon> ok ya I probably will start the GUI when i do this
2015-02-15 21:47 <dahlia> you probably only need the static libs
2015-02-15 21:51 <dahlia> https://github.com/bulletphysics/bullet3/archive/Bullet-2.83-alpha.tar.gz maybe
2015-02-15 21:53 <nebadon> cool thanks
2015-02-15 21:53 <nebadon> ok bbiab going to go find some food then i will give it a go, thanks!
2015-02-15 21:59 <dahlia> ok that one from that url builds ok on kubuntu
2015-02-15 21:59 <dahlia> so maybe will work with the BulletSim wrapper
2015-02-15 22:01 <dahlia> 
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2015-02-15 23:25 <dahlia> kk nebadon I think I got bulletsim native lib to build on linux
2015-02-15 23:25 <dahlia> not tested tho
2015-02-15 23:32 <nebadon> nice
2015-02-15 23:32 <nebadon> i was just getting started
2015-02-15 23:32 <nebadon> downloading the bullet tar from google code
2015-02-15 23:36 <quill_littlefeat> any reason that a vender in one region will not gove inventory to user in another region?
2015-02-15 23:39 <BlueWall> quill_littlefeat, you still around?
2015-02-15 23:40 <quill_littlefeat> yes
2015-02-15 23:40 <nebadon> ok its building dahlia
2015-02-15 23:45 <nebadon> ok 100% dahlia
2015-02-15 23:45 <dahlia> ok
2015-02-15 23:45 <dahlia> sec
2015-02-15 23:45 <nebadon> one more step i think
2015-02-15 23:46 <dahlia> you need to edit the Makefile
2015-02-15 23:46 <nebadon> ok
2015-02-15 23:46 <nebadon> in the BulletSim folder?
2015-02-15 23:47 <dahlia> ya
2015-02-15 23:47 <nebadon> the one in the bullet-build folder?
2015-02-15 23:47 <dahlia> I did make install for bullet
2015-02-15 23:47 <nebadon> what do I change in the Makefile?
2015-02-15 23:47 <dahlia> I also had to set a cmake flag
2015-02-15 23:48 <dahlia> INSTALL_EXTRA_LIBS
2015-02-15 23:48 <nebadon> how do i do that?
2015-02-15 23:48 <dahlia> so if you didnt have that set, may need to redo
2015-02-15 23:48 <dahlia> I used cmake-gui
2015-02-15 23:48 <nebadon> oh hrmm
2015-02-15 23:49 <nebadon> can i do that in ssh?
2015-02-15 23:49 <dahlia> hmmm
2015-02-15 23:49 <dahlia> 
ACTION is kinda cmake challenged... but...

2015-02-15 23:50 <dahlia> ok if you look in that BUILD.txt
2015-02-15 23:50 <dahlia> theres a cmake command that spans several lines
2015-02-15 23:50 <dahlia> it does it
2015-02-15 23:51 <nebadon> ok i did that
2015-02-15 23:51 <nebadon> i was following those directions
2015-02-15 23:51 <dahlia> ah ok 
2015-02-15 23:51 <nebadon> but the last step totally didnt work
2015-02-15 23:51 <nebadon> i think
2015-02-15 23:51 <dahlia> then I did make install as root
2015-02-15 23:51 <nebadon> let me try again
2015-02-15 23:51 <nebadon> oh it worked I think this time
2015-02-15 23:51 <nebadon> hmm
2015-02-15 23:52 <dahlia> ok then edit the Makefile
2015-02-15 23:52 <dahlia> at the top
2015-02-15 23:52 <dahlia>  IDIR = /usr/local/include/bullet
2015-02-15 23:52 <dahlia>  LDIR = /usr/local/lib
2015-02-15 23:52 <dahlia> uncomment those
2015-02-15 23:52 <dahlia> and comment these
2015-02-15 23:53 <nebadon> looks like installed here
2015-02-15 23:53 <nebadon> /usr/local/include/bullet/
2015-02-15 23:53 <dahlia> #IDIR = ./include
2015-02-15 23:53 <dahlia> #LDIR = ./lib
2015-02-15 23:53 <nebadon> ahh
2015-02-15 23:53 <nebadon> kk
2015-02-15 23:53 <dahlia> then make
2015-02-15 23:53 <dahlia> have to go afk, 20ish
2015-02-15 23:53 <dahlia> bbl
2015-02-15 23:55 <nebadon> my makefile doesnt have LDIR and IDIR
2015-02-16 00:06 <nebadon> ah i see cmake-gui does make it much easier
2015-02-16 00:11 <dahlia> nebadon: I mean the Makefile in opensim-libs/trunk/unmanaged/BulletSim
2015-02-16 00:13 <nebadon> ooh
2015-02-16 00:13 <nebadon> ok
2015-02-16 00:14 <nebadon> i need to start this over
2015-02-16 00:14 <dahlia> k
2015-02-16 00:23 <nebadon> its compiling
2015-02-16 00:24 <nebadon> ok now im confused
2015-02-16 00:25 <nebadon> i did the make in root of BulletSim
2015-02-16 00:25 <dahlia> I guess you could probably set the include and lib install paths to something local but I just did the default system ones
2015-02-16 00:26 <nebadon> i cant find the file the .so file
2015-02-16 00:26 <dahlia> did you make install
2015-02-16 00:26 <dahlia> ?
2015-02-16 00:26 <dahlia> as root
2015-02-16 00:28 <nebadon> i did
2015-02-16 00:28 <nebadon> but it errors
2015-02-16 00:28 <dahlia> then just edit the makefile and make
2015-02-16 00:29 <nebadon> ok let me start this over again now it just seems to do nothing but make errorrs
2015-02-16 00:34 <nebadon> raspberry pi has been very enjoyable so far
2015-02-16 00:34 <dahlia> something to play with :)
2015-02-16 00:35 <nebadon> yea I just that so far its not just completely frustrating
2015-02-16 00:36 <nebadon> just like*
2015-02-16 00:37 <nebadon> the quality to price ratio is amazingly good
2015-02-16 00:37 <dahlia> well I dont really need another low powered computer. I'd probably be more interested if I had some hardware project like a robot or something
2015-02-16 00:38 <nebadon> this is what i get now
2015-02-16 00:38 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/bWCw8Qwh
2015-02-16 00:39 <dahlia> edit the Makefile
2015-02-16 00:39 <dahlia> as I described earlier
2015-02-16 00:40 <nebadon> the IDIR and LDIR?
2015-02-16 00:40 <dahlia> ya
2015-02-16 00:40 <nebadon> ok
2015-02-16 00:40 <nebadon> i wasnt doing make install yet though
2015-02-16 00:40 <dahlia> oh well need that too
2015-02-16 00:40 <nebadon> ok
2015-02-16 00:41 <nebadon> doing something now
2015-02-16 00:41 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/hrTLQsXY
2015-02-16 00:42 <dahlia> no no
2015-02-16 00:42 <nebadon> ?
2015-02-16 00:42 <dahlia> for bulletsim, just make
2015-02-16 00:42 <nebadon> ok
2015-02-16 00:42 <dahlia> for bullet, make install
2015-02-16 00:42 <dahlia> as root
2015-02-16 00:42 <dahlia> do the bullet one first
2015-02-16 00:43 <nebadon> ok done
2015-02-16 00:43 <nebadon> now go back to bulletsim and just make?
2015-02-16 00:43 <dahlia> ya
2015-02-16 00:44 <nebadon> ok done
2015-02-16 00:44 <nebadon> where is the .so file?
2015-02-16 00:44 <dahlia> :)
2015-02-16 00:44 <dahlia> should be there
2015-02-16 00:45 <nebadon> oh ya it is
2015-02-16 00:45 <nebadon> ok cool
2015-02-16 00:45 <nebadon> i thought it was going to put it into the same place as bullet put its files
2015-02-16 00:45 <dahlia> Id guess that you just put those in place where the normal linux ones are
2015-02-16 00:45 <nebadon> that is why i was confused
2015-02-16 00:45 <nebadon> this probably worked last time
2015-02-16 00:45 <nebadon> but i was just confused lol
2015-02-16 00:45 <nebadon> oh well
2015-02-16 00:45 <dahlia> lol
2015-02-16 00:46 <dahlia> so try it?
2015-02-16 00:50 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/iiF2eHmp
2015-02-16 00:51 <dahlia> hmmm
2015-02-16 00:51 <dahlia> I think theres some code in there somewhere that looks at the architecture and then decides which so or dll to use
2015-02-16 00:51 <dahlia> but I dont know where it is
2015-02-16 00:52 <dahlia> may need to ask misterblue
2015-02-16 00:52 <nebadon> ya
2015-02-16 00:52 <nebadon> maybe in the .conf file
2015-02-16 00:52 <dahlia> well at least got this far
2015-02-16 00:53 <nebadon> yea i dont see a .config file for bulletsim
2015-02-16 00:53 <nebadon> or physics
2015-02-16 00:53 <nebadon> ya good progress though
2015-02-16 00:53 <nebadon> pretty sure it is going to be possible
2015-02-16 00:54 <nebadon> the question is how powerful is 2 cores of the v2 pi
2015-02-16 00:54 <nebadon> it seems to top out at 50% cpu
2015-02-16 00:55 <dahlia> sometimes 50% means 100% of 2 of 4 cores
2015-02-16 00:55 <nebadon> yes
2015-02-16 00:55 <nebadon> that is what i meant
2015-02-16 00:56 <nebadon> even when we were driving the rovers around it wasnt going above 100% of 2 cores
2015-02-16 00:56 <nebadon> and that was with the gui desktop running for linux
2015-02-16 00:56 <nebadon> was like 55% or something
2015-02-16 00:57 <BlueWall> ./bin/Physics/OpenSim.Region.Physics.BulletSPlugin.dll.config
2015-02-16 00:57 <nebadon> ah i swore i remembered there being one heh
2015-02-16 00:57 <nebadon> nice
2015-02-16 00:57 <BlueWall> he hid it, haha
2015-02-16 00:59 <nebadon> question is what do i list for cpu
2015-02-16 00:59 <nebadon> for the pi
2015-02-16 00:59 <nebadon> armv7l
2015-02-16 00:59 <nebadon> ?
2015-02-16 01:00 <nebadon> nope that didnt work
2015-02-16 01:01 <nebadon> hmm wait maybe i did that wrong
2015-02-16 01:01 <nebadon> nah, not working
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2015-02-16 01:06 <nebadon> trying this >   <dllmap os="!windows,osx" cpu="x86,armv7l" dll="BulletSim" target="lib32/libBulletSim.so" />
2015-02-16 01:06 <nebadon> doesnt seem to work though either
2015-02-16 01:07 <nebadon> i dont think this is the problem
2015-02-16 01:08 <dahlia> ya dunno, maybe <dllmap dll="BulletSim" target="lib32/libBulletSim.so" />
2015-02-16 01:08 <dahlia> just a hunch
2015-02-16 01:08 <BlueWall> http://www.mono-project.com/docs/advanced/pinvoke/dllmap/
2015-02-16 01:09 <BlueWall> cpu This is the name of the architecture for which the mapping should be applied. Allowed values are: x86, x86-64, sparc, ppc, s390, s390x, arm, armv8 (AArch64), mips, alpha, hppa, ia64.
2015-02-16 01:09 <nebadon> hmm
2015-02-16 01:09 <nebadon> i tried arm too
2015-02-16 01:09 <nebadon> no luck
2015-02-16 01:09 <BlueWall> armv8?
2015-02-16 01:09 <nebadon> its not v8
2015-02-16 01:09 <BlueWall> where did you put the native dll?
2015-02-16 01:10 <nebadon> Serial          : 0000000067bc56fa
2015-02-16 01:10 <nebadon> pi@nebadon-pi2 ~/opensim/opensim/bin/lib32 $ lscpu
2015-02-16 01:10 <nebadon> Architecture:          armv7l
2015-02-16 01:10 <nebadon> Byte Order:            Little Endian
2015-02-16 01:10 <nebadon> CPU(s):                4
2015-02-16 01:10 <nebadon> On-line CPU(s) list:   0-3
2015-02-16 01:10 <nebadon> Thread(s) per core:    1
2015-02-16 01:10 <nebadon> Core(s) per socket:    4
2015-02-16 01:10 <nebadon> Socket(s):             1
2015-02-16 01:10 <nebadon> in /bin/lib32
2015-02-16 01:12 <nebadon> dahlia with your suggestion
2015-02-16 01:12 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/zgBY57nY
2015-02-16 01:12 <nebadon> basically same thing with stacktrace
2015-02-16 01:12 <nebadon> heh
2015-02-16 01:13 <dahlia> dunno :/
2015-02-16 01:13 <nebadon> so ya, looks like there might be somet struggle here :)
2015-02-16 01:14 <dahlia> ya better ask misterblue
2015-02-16 01:14 <dahlia> arm is kinda funky too, sometimes endianness is different
2015-02-16 01:15 <dahlia> maybe calling convention
2015-02-16 01:15 <nebadon> just need to convince misterblue to get a raspberry pi :)
2015-02-16 01:17 <nebadon> *cought* http://www.alliedelec.com/raspberry-pi-raspberry-pi-2-model-b/70465426/ *cough*
2015-02-16 01:17 <BlueWall> you might remove all the entries in the config file and just have the one pointing to the dll
2015-02-16 01:18 <BlueWall> you shouldn't need all the logic if you are just running it on a single box.
2015-02-16 01:19 <BlueWall> hey, not bad for $35.00
2015-02-16 01:19 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/NxiNtQf1
2015-02-16 01:19 <nebadon> yea its awesome
2015-02-16 01:19 <nebadon> you need a power supply and a sd card and maybe a case
2015-02-16 01:20 <nebadon> i got a tiny little wifi card for mine too
2015-02-16 01:20 <nebadon> works great
2015-02-16 01:20 <BlueWall> they have kits with everything for less that $100.00
2015-02-16 01:20 <BlueWall> than**
2015-02-16 01:20 <nebadon> http://www.edimax.com/edimax/merchandise/merchandise_detail/data/edimax/global/wireless_adapters_n150/ew-7811un
2015-02-16 01:20 <nebadon> yea
2015-02-16 01:20 <nebadon> i havent seen any kits for the v2 yet
2015-02-16 01:20 <nebadon> just B+
2015-02-16 01:20 <nebadon> i got a really nice kit from amazon for like 85$ for my b+
2015-02-16 01:21 <nebadon> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NAC4K0G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
2015-02-16 01:21 <nebadon> was cheaper when i ordered it
2015-02-16 01:21 <BlueWall> http://www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-kits?gclid=Cj0KEQiApIGnBRCFx-idn7-E2Y8BEiQAc6fQbGvZ1oCDiHDDT4f1tZrpllXZjVLLByVqbZK_mhF2a1EaAojf8P8HAQ
2015-02-16 01:21 <BlueWall> 3 kits for the 2
2015-02-16 01:22 <nebadon> yea nice
2015-02-16 01:22 <BlueWall> the one for Dahlia's robot is $109.00
2015-02-16 01:23 <nebadon> that canakit power supply is what i got for my pi 2
2015-02-16 01:23 <nebadon> nice little tinker machines though
2015-02-16 01:23 <nebadon> nice that they are completely silent
2015-02-16 01:24 <nebadon> http://www.engineering.com/ElectronicsDesign/ElectronicsDesignArticles/ArticleID/5357/A-Supercomputer-made-with-Raspberry-Pi-and-LEGO.aspx
2015-02-16 01:27 <BlueWall> nice idea for teaching.
2015-02-16 01:29 <nebadon> the pi 2 makes for a pretty nice little work station
2015-02-16 01:29 <nebadon> i have Raspbian on mine, i had the GUI running and opensim running with 2 ssh sessions and the GUI task manager
2015-02-16 01:30 <nebadon> and dahlia and i were driving around in cuteulalas mars rovers
2015-02-16 01:30 <nebadon> cpu was hitting 100% on 2 of the 4 cores
2015-02-16 01:30 <BlueWall> haa, nice
2015-02-16 01:30 <nebadon> that was with bulletxna
2015-02-16 01:30 <nebadon> and there was about 500mb ram free 
2015-02-16 01:34 <BlueWall> I guess it would run chrome/open office all day long
2015-02-16 01:34 <nebadon> ya though it only has chromium
2015-02-16 01:35 <nebadon> so its a tad basic
2015-02-16 01:35 <nebadon> no addons for chromium
2015-02-16 01:35 <nebadon> raspbian has a fairly decent browser though
2015-02-16 01:35 <nebadon> and libre office runs grea
2015-02-16 01:35 <nebadon> i even installed openshot
2015-02-16 01:35 <nebadon> video editor
2015-02-16 01:35 <BlueWall> heh, cool
2015-02-16 01:35 <nebadon> blender could actually run
2015-02-16 01:35 <nebadon> its in the repo
2015-02-16 01:36 <nebadon> but the pi doesnt support OpenGL it has OpenGL ES only
2015-02-16 01:36 <BlueWall> and it runs a special debian?
2015-02-16 01:36 <nebadon> yea its called Raspbian
2015-02-16 01:36 <BlueWall> hasha
2015-02-16 01:37 <nebadon> its a img file you dd to a microsd card
2015-02-16 01:37 <nebadon> there are a few different images
2015-02-16 01:37 <nebadon> though the pi2 ive only seen 2 so far, Raspbian and Snappy Ubuntu Core
2015-02-16 01:37 <nebadon> no opensuse yet
2015-02-16 01:37 <nebadon> my B+ is running opensuse 13.1 though
2015-02-16 01:38 <BlueWall> I may have jumped off the OpenSuSE ship
2015-02-16 02:05 <Bwild>  /windowRegion (root) # 
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2015-02-16 09:57 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Delegate for TriggerOnNewInventoryItemUploadComplete failed - continuing. Document does not have a root element 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-16 09:59 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Delegate for TriggerOnNewInventoryItemUploadComplete failed - continuing. Document does not have a root element 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-02-16 10:05 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-16 10:20 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Delegate for TriggerOnNewInventoryItemUploadComplete failed - continuing. Document does not have a root element 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-02-16 10:26 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Delegate for TriggerOnNewInventoryItemUploadComplete failed - continuing. Document does not have a root element 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-16 12:31 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Delegate for TriggerOnNewInventoryItemUploadComplete failed - continuing. Document does not have a root element 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-16 13:21 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Delegate for TriggerOnNewInventoryItemUploadComplete failed - continuing. Document does not have a root element 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-16 14:50 <AllenKerensky> OSgrid Update for 2015-02-16 http://news.osgrid.org/
2015-02-16 16:54 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Delegate for TriggerOnNewInventoryItemUploadComplete failed - continuing. Document does not have a root element 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-16 18:31 <RiRa> oing justincc
2015-02-16 18:31 <RiRa> ping justincc
2015-02-16 18:31 <justincc> hello RiRa
2015-02-16 18:31 <RiRa> Hi justin, i just found a bad problem.
2015-02-16 18:32 <RiRa> Object return on my var region is dumping everything in trashcan instead of lost & found
2015-02-16 18:33 <osmantis> Bug #7440:04 Object return is sending items to trash instead of lost & found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7440 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-02-16 18:36 <RiRa> strange, now return is send correctly
2015-02-16 18:37 <osmantis> Bug #7440:04 Object return is sending items to trash instead of lost & found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7440 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-16 18:38 <justincc> the next thing is to check whether it's just returning from about land that is doing this
2015-02-16 18:41 <RiRa> justincc i get the idea. i test that in minute that it maby where rezzed from trash for some reason. hmm. no nowe its working fine. not sure what happend the first time
2015-02-16 18:41 <RiRa> it seems to work now justincc
2015-02-16 18:41 <justincc> returning from about land?
2015-02-16 18:42 <RiRa> seems to work fine to now. thats what i did the first time
2015-02-16 18:42 <justincc> ok, I don't know then
2015-02-16 18:43 <RiRa> placed objects to rezz, did relog. then try to select them in about land. but i cannot select it
2015-02-16 18:44 <RiRa> aha, you need to press refresh list first. hmm. ?
2015-02-16 18:45 <osmantis> Bug #7440:04 Object return is sending items to trash instead of lost & found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7440 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-02-16 18:45 <RiRa> i keep it open, but on low priority
2015-02-16 21:10 <DarinM1967_> Sorry for bothering you all, but I am unable to find any assistance on #Opensim channel so I thought I'd see if I could get some help here. If my questions are inappropriate please let me know and I will leave. Thanks.
2015-02-16 21:12 <DarinM1967_> I am trying to find out how opensim uses the "openmetaverse_data" folder's files or whether it uses them at all.  The reason is I would like to update/improve the standard/default avatar skins and perhaps the shape eventually. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
2015-02-16 21:29 <DarinM1967_> Perhaps this question would be more appropriate for this channel.  How well documented is the Opensim source code?
2015-02-16 21:30 <DarinM1967_> Documented as in "commented" in the source.
2015-02-16 21:31 <justinccAfk> that's a hard question to answer, though ohloh.net says there are an average number of comments
2015-02-16 21:31 <justinccAfk> https://www.openhub.net/p/opensimulator
2015-02-16 21:33 <DarinM1967_> Thanks again JustinnAfk, you are a very quick and helpful individual. :)
2015-02-16 21:34 <justinccAfk> as usual with irc channels, if anybody is around you can get a quick answer but somietimes nobody's there and it's tumbleweed :)
2015-02-16 21:35 <DarinM1967_> A tumbleweed full of empty names (or zombies). Hehehe
2015-02-16 21:36 <DarinM1967_> Thanks again JustinccAfk. I have to go now, but I'm sure I'll be back after I digest everything I've learned here.
2015-02-16 21:36 <justinccAfk> ok, I need to go afk again for real and eat as well.  bbfn
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2015-02-17 03:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #4045 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-17 03:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4045: SUCCESS in 9 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4045/
2015-02-17 03:15 <osjenkins> dahlia: Filter NaN and Infinity values at SOP AngularVelocity setter
2015-02-17 03:22 <smxy> Is the Conference grid still running, for people to visit?
2015-02-17 03:25 <smxy> Staff Zone 1 is, but is anything else?
2015-02-17 03:31 <nebadon> it is not 100% up at the moment smxy
2015-02-17 03:35 <smxy> The Shopping Zone seems to be, so I made a grid to there.
2015-02-17 03:35 <smxy> But yeah, it doesn't seem quite fully up.
2015-02-17 03:35 <smxy> s/grid/gate/
2015-02-17 03:36 <smxy> Can anyone HG in or only people who had conference accounts?
2015-02-17 03:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #4046 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-17 03:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4046: SUCCESS in 4 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4046/
2015-02-17 03:47 <osjenkins> dahlia: Use a boolean flag to signal lookat is running instead of Quaternion.Identity so it can be a valid target orientation
2015-02-17 03:53 <nebadon> smxy sorry stepped away
2015-02-17 03:53 <nebadon> anyone can
2015-02-17 03:53 <nebadon> I will leave the shopping zone up for sure
2015-02-17 03:53 <nebadon> I have some maintenence scheduled for when OSgrid comes back up
2015-02-17 03:54 <nebadon> then i will probably take that grid down for a little bit to do some maintenance and upgrades
2015-02-17 03:54 <nebadon> but it will eventually come back up
2015-02-17 03:55 <dahlia> nebadon: did you get the native bullet to work?
2015-02-17 03:55 <nebadon> no never got any further than we did 
2015-02-17 03:55 <nebadon> I am not really sure what is wrong
2015-02-17 03:56 <nebadon> havent spoken with misterblue yet
2015-02-17 07:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #4047 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-17 07:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4047: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4047/
2015-02-17 07:57 <osjenkins> dahlia: Add NaN and Infinity tests for SOP Velocity and Acceleration setters.
2015-02-17 09:10 <osmantis> Bug #7438:04 OpenSim.Services.UserProfilesService no longer functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7438 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-17 09:26 <osmantis> Bug #7438:04 OpenSim.Services.UserProfilesService no longer functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7438 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-17 09:49 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8XtFIXF77k
2015-02-17 10:02 <dahlia> nebadon: bulletxna still?
2015-02-17 10:02 <nebadon> yes
2015-02-17 10:03 <dahlia> cool
2015-02-17 10:03 <dahlia> can have next year's conference on a pi 2 :P
2015-02-17 10:04 <dahlia> try your bot army?
2015-02-17 10:04 <nebadon> lol
2015-02-17 10:04 <nebadon> yea i should try some bots eventually
2015-02-17 10:15 <dahlia> interesting... your avatar doesnt cast a shadow on the circuit board model
2015-02-17 10:16 <nebadon> i thought it did
2015-02-17 10:16 <nebadon> when i am flying you see it
2015-02-17 10:16 <nebadon> on the HDMI connector
2015-02-17 10:16 <nebadon> standing on theboard the shadow is probably just too thin
2015-02-17 10:16 <dahlia> thin?
2015-02-17 10:17 <nebadon> probably
2015-02-17 10:17 <nebadon> sun is a very low angle
2015-02-17 10:17 <nebadon> the viewer shadows are not very good
2015-02-17 10:17 <dahlia> 3:54
2015-02-17 10:18 <nebadon> ya its very thin
2015-02-17 10:18 <nebadon> its kind of thin and flickery
2015-02-17 10:18 <dahlia> hmmm I dont see it at all
2015-02-17 10:18 <nebadon> you see it pop out as i walk into the edge of the shadow
2015-02-17 10:18 <nebadon> its super faint just a few pixels maybe
2015-02-17 10:18 <nebadon> watch as i walk into the shadow
2015-02-17 10:18 <nebadon> it sort of forms a bit as i enter a larger shadow
2015-02-17 10:18 <dahlia> oh maybe below my vision threshold then
2015-02-17 10:19 <dahlia> most things are :/
2015-02-17 10:19 <nebadon> might have been more pronounced had i been zoomed in more
2015-02-17 10:22 <dahlia> ah ya I guess maybe its in a further cascade level
2015-02-17 10:24 <nebadon> ok well off to be for em
2015-02-17 10:24 <nebadon> freakin 5:30am
2015-02-17 10:24 <nebadon> i got the pi fever
2015-02-17 10:24 <nebadon> lol
2015-02-17 10:25 <dahlia> lol
2015-02-17 10:25 <dahlia> nn
2015-02-17 10:26 <dahlia> you'll be out before you get to the 3.14th sheep :P
2015-02-17 10:48 <osmantis> Bug #7441:04 Typo for example for Robust V2 GroupsSerrverURIOpenSim.ini.example 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7441 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-02-17 10:49 <osmantis> Bug #7441:04 Typo for example for Robust V2 GroupsServerURIOpenSim.ini.example 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7441 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-02-17 11:18 <osmantis> Bug #7441:04 Typo for example for Robust V2 GroupsServerURIOpenSim.ini.example 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7441 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-17 11:45 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Delegate for TriggerOnNewInventoryItemUploadComplete failed - continuing. Document does not have a root element 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-17 13:25 <osmantis> Bug #7438:04 OpenSim.Services.UserProfilesService no longer functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7438 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-17 13:39 <osmantis> Bug #7438:04 OpenSim.Services.UserProfilesService no longer functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7438 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-17 14:52 <osmantis> Bug #7438:04 OpenSim.Services.UserProfilesService no longer functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7438 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-17 15:13 <osmantis> Bug #7438:04 OpenSim.Services.UserProfilesService no longer functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7438 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-17 15:18 <osmantis> Bug #7438:04 OpenSim.Services.UserProfilesService no longer functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7438 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-17 15:21 <osmantis> Bug #7438:04 OpenSim.Services.UserProfilesService no longer functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7438 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-17 15:25 <osmantis> Bug #7438:04 OpenSim.Services.UserProfilesService no longer functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7438 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-17 15:32 <osmantis> Bug #7438:04 OpenSim.Services.UserProfilesService no longer functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7438 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-17 15:34 <osmantis> Bug #7438:04 OpenSim.Services.UserProfilesService no longer functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7438 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-17 15:36 <osmantis> Bug #7438:04 OpenSim.Services.UserProfilesService no longer functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7438 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-17 15:45 <osmantis> Bug #7438:04 OpenSim.Services.UserProfilesService no longer functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7438 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-17 16:01 <osmantis> Bug #7438:04 OpenSim.Services.UserProfilesService no longer functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7438 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-17 16:12 <osmantis> Bug #7438:04 OpenSim.Services.UserProfilesService no longer functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7438 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-17 16:28 <osmantis> Bug #7438:04 OpenSim.Services.UserProfilesService no longer functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7438 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-17 16:45 <osmantis> Bug #7438:04 OpenSim.Services.UserProfilesService no longer functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7438 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-17 17:01 <osmantis> Bug #7438:04 OpenSim.Services.UserProfilesService no longer functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7438 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-17 20:08 <MarcusLlewellyn> Teehee. We crashed it?
2015-02-17 20:08 <dahlia> it kicked me
2015-02-17 20:09 <dahlia> was there for a few moments 
2015-02-17 20:09 <MarcusLlewellyn> Did it melt? ;)
2015-02-17 20:09 <MarcusLlewellyn> It prolly got clobbered with all those HG TPs.
2015-02-17 20:10 <MarcusLlewellyn> Put the fire out, Neb? ;)
2015-02-17 20:10 <nebadon> heh
2015-02-17 20:10 <nebadon> ya its dead
2015-02-17 20:10 <nebadon> i guess everyone crashed
2015-02-17 20:11 <nebadon> too many at once
2015-02-17 20:11 <MarcusLlewellyn> I saw me and three other people there. Couldn't chat or move. Then... ding.
2015-02-17 20:11 <Arielle_> worked for a minute till Marcus rezzed on top of me ;)
2015-02-17 20:11 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yup. I did it. And I'd do it again. Bwahaha.
2015-02-17 20:11 <dahlia> was fine when I first got there but died really fast after
2015-02-17 20:12 <Arielle_> wonder  how it would do if people rezzed in every minute or so
2015-02-17 20:13 <MarcusLlewellyn> I'm game to do that is neb or someone wants to play coordinator.
2015-02-17 20:13 <dahlia> I think it would work a lot better with native bullet
2015-02-17 20:13 <nebadon> yea sim went to 0fps
2015-02-17 20:13 <nebadon> and everyone got logged out
2015-02-17 20:13 <nebadon> i didnt really see any errors other than heart beat timed out
2015-02-17 20:13 <nebadon> just not enough cpu available
2015-02-17 20:14 <nebadon> it seems opensim can use more than a single core
2015-02-17 20:14 <nebadon> and bulletsim uses a single core
2015-02-17 20:14 <nebadon> seems though opensim can not acheive more than 50% of the cpu on the pi
2015-02-17 20:14 <dahlia> opensim is thread happy
2015-02-17 20:14 <dahlia> will use all it can get
2015-02-17 20:14 <MarcusLlewellyn> I'm kinda inclined to blame threads/networking. HG is a heavy sucker when the grid doesn't already have copied of assets.
2015-02-17 20:16 <BlueWall> I made it, and things rezzed. Aine was also there when I was.
2015-02-17 20:16 <MarcusLlewellyn> Are you using SmartThreadPool, Neb?
2015-02-17 20:17 <dahlia> seems ok now
2015-02-17 20:18 <MarcusLlewellyn> What was the sim's name?
2015-02-17 20:18 <dahlia> http://grid.nebadon2025.com:8002 OKC World 05
2015-02-17 20:18 <MarcusLlewellyn> danke. :)
2015-02-17 20:19 <MarcusLlewellyn> I made it and I"m moving. 
2015-02-17 20:19 <dahlia> 5 people
2015-02-17 20:20 <quill_littlefeat> any patches to  fix issue http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7113
2015-02-17 20:20 <quill_littlefeat> ?
2015-02-17 21:08 <Plugh> Nebadon, ping
2015-02-17 21:10 <nebadon> hey Plugh
2015-02-17 21:12 <Plugh> I'm having other 'outer issues so I'm on my tablet for IRC. I CA't seem to rejoin -core
2015-02-17 21:12 <Plugh> s/CA't/can't/
2015-02-17 21:12 <nebadon> hmm
2015-02-17 21:13 <Plugh> Darn auto-correct
2015-02-17 21:13 <nebadon> you are specifying the passowrd
2015-02-17 21:13 <Plugh> 'outer -> computer
2015-02-17 21:14 <Plugh> I just get message about bad key. I don't get asked for password.
2015-02-17 21:16 <Plugh> I wanted to say that I sent an email to core re a recent message thread but it hasn't been approved yet, afaict
2015-02-17 21:18 <nebadon> i will IM you
2015-02-17 21:36 <Plugh> I haven't been at last couple of dev meetings due to some computer issues. May be another few weeks before I get them resolved.
2015-02-17 21:37 <nebadon> no worries Plugh
2015-02-17 21:37 <nebadon> i hope someone saved the chat log from the meeting today
2015-02-17 21:37 <nebadon> i was about 50 minutes late
2015-02-17 21:37 <nebadon> i missed most of the meeting today
2015-02-17 21:39 <Plugh> I dropped over to my local Sears store around the time of the meeting. Store is closing end of month and today was furniture and fittings sale.
2015-02-17 21:39 <Plugh> Last few weeks been amazing deals at the store
2015-02-17 21:40 <Plugh> $50 to $60 clothes for 12 to 15
2015-02-17 21:41 <Plugh> One mens suit jacket was 300 and was going for 30
2015-02-17 21:41 <Plugh> Too bad I didn't like the look of it even if it fit.
2015-02-17 21:45 <Plugh> Bbl. I'm going to head out to the stores again.
2015-02-17 21:48 <nebadon> nice
2015-02-17 21:48 <nebadon> later man talk in a bit :)
2015-02-17 21:58 <Titiine> Hi there
2015-02-17 21:58 <Titiine> I've been a user of opensim 
2015-02-17 21:59 <Titiine> but i'd like to contribute know
2015-02-17 21:59 <Titiine> now*
2015-02-17 21:59 <Titiine> Is there some kind of requirement ?
2015-02-17 21:59 <Titiine> I'm a software engineer
2015-02-17 22:00 <Titiine> graduated 1 year ago
2015-02-17 22:04 <dahlia> Titiine: small bug fixes and enhancements are usually accepted via pull requests or patches on http://opensimulator.org/mantis/
2015-02-17 22:04 <dahlia> if you want to do some big feature its best to sign a contributor agreement
2015-02-17 22:04 <dahlia> and work with one of the core developers
2015-02-17 22:06 <dahlia> oh.. and lurking in this irc channel is a good idea ;)
2015-02-17 22:08 <dahlia> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Contributions_Policy
2015-02-17 22:08 <Titiine> good to know, thanks dahlia !
2015-02-17 22:08 <dahlia> np
2015-02-17 22:10 <dahlia> I'm not sure how up to date that wiki page is
2015-02-17 22:19 <Titiine> i'm looking at the contributor agreement and the latest commits on github
2015-02-17 22:20 <nebadon> generally its better to start off with small patches
2015-02-17 22:21 <nebadon> coming out of no where with a gigantic monolithic patch will likely not go as you plan
2015-02-17 22:21 <nebadon> best to start small, let us get to know you and make sure your patches can be applied without problems
2015-02-17 22:21 <nebadon> if you have any questions please do ask :)
2015-02-17 22:22 <Plugh> Tinline,	There is usually someone here to answer questions if you need help, depending on time of day.
2015-02-17 22:23 <Plugh> Auto-correct is being a pain
2015-02-17 22:24 <Plugh> 
ACTION turns it off.

2015-02-17 22:24 <nebadon> hehe ya
2015-02-17 22:24 <nebadon> i cant stand android autocorrect
2015-02-17 22:24 <nebadon> sometimes it just will not let you spell a word the way you want
2015-02-17 22:25 <nebadon> id rather look dumb and spell stuff wrong than be frustrated by it
2015-02-17 22:25 <Plugh> suggested words can save typing on long words
2015-02-17 22:26 <Titiine> haha Plugh, when do people use to be here ?
2015-02-17 22:26 <Plugh> If I don't notice it wants to auto-correct I get strange output.
2015-02-17 22:26 <Plugh> It changes nebadon to 
2015-02-17 22:26 <nebadon> lol
2015-02-17 22:26 <Plugh> Lebanon.  :-)
2015-02-17 22:26 <nebadon> rofl
2015-02-17 22:27 <nebadon> Titiine if you ever are unsure about something, you can say my name in chat it will alert me
2015-02-17 22:27 <nebadon> i can generally help you find your way to the proper authorities :)
2015-02-17 22:27 <Titiine> thank you
2015-02-17 22:27 <nebadon> Bluewall is a dev, Plugh is a dev
2015-02-17 22:28 <nebadon> Melanie_T, misterblue, dahlia, diva are devs
2015-02-17 22:28 <nebadon> core developers that is, with administrator level access etc..
2015-02-17 22:28 <Plugh> Titiine, day time or evenings in North America and Western Europe would be best times
2015-02-17 22:28 <nebadon> you probably should get familiar with the mailing lists if you are not already
2015-02-17 22:28 <nebadon> maybe introduce yourself there as well
2015-02-17 22:29 <nebadon> info is on the main http://opensimulator.org website near the bottom
2015-02-17 22:29 <nebadon> generally just need to be patient someone will eventually show up
2015-02-17 22:30 <nebadon> justincc is also another developer here you will see
2015-02-17 22:30 <Plugh> Right. can always send email if no answer here. Juse be patient when asking here. Responses can be hours later in some cases.
2015-02-17 22:30 <nebadon> AllenKerensky and danbanner and keygruin are OSgrid administrators
2015-02-17 22:30 <nebadon> they can also be helpful :)
2015-02-17 22:32 <nebadon> anyone who missed the Raspberry Jam test earlier > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIOcotKGsDg
2015-02-17 22:33 <Plugh> video came up as private
2015-02-17 22:38 <Plugh> nebadon,check the perms on it
2015-02-17 22:49 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yeah, the video is marked private nebadon
2015-02-17 22:51 <nebadon> oh interesting
2015-02-17 22:51 <nebadon> let me check
2015-02-17 22:52 <nebadon> try again
2015-02-17 22:52 <nebadon> sorry about that
2015-02-17 22:52 <nebadon> i had to authenticate my account because of the video length
2015-02-17 22:52 <nebadon> they disabled the video initially cause it was too long
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2015-02-18 03:47 <dahlia> oooou my scripted lookat follow gizmo thingie follows me across region borders into other regions even when they are on a different physics engine :D
2015-02-18 03:48 <dahlia> 
ACTION didnt know that was working... good job whoever did it :D

2015-02-18 08:15 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-18 08:29 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-18 11:05 <osmantis> Bug #7438:04 OpenSim.Services.UserProfilesService no longer functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7438 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-18 12:39 <osmantis> Bug #7442:04 Ionic.Zlib.CompressionLevel 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7442 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-02-18 12:40 <osmantis> Bug #7442:04 Ionic.Zlib.CompressionLevel 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7442 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-02-18 12:42 <osmantis> Bug #7443:04 SmartThreadPool not getting a version numbering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7443 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-02-18 12:42 <osmantis> Bug #7443:04 SmartThreadPool not getting a version numbering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7443 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-02-18 13:24 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-18 14:12 <osmantis> Bug #6960:04 state_entry() can be executed multiple times for a single state transition 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6960 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-02-18 15:28 <osmantis> Bug #7438:04 OpenSim.Services.UserProfilesService no longer functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7438 ): has been CLOSED
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2015-02-18 17:24 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Document does not have a root element and [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Unrecognized node in asset XML transform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): has been UPDATED.
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2015-02-18 17:38 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Document does not have a root element and [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Unrecognized node in asset XML transform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-02-18 18:59 <LiruCookies> Why does the user need to see "Region found!" all the time? Isn't the fact that they see the location show up in search enough proof that it's found?
2015-02-18 19:47 <Plugh> LiruCookies, that might be a viewer issue
2015-02-18 19:48 <Plugh> It does seem unnecessary
2015-02-18 20:19 <smxy> Is there a way to remotely query a grid as to the number of avatars currently in a given region, or the default region if none is given?
2015-02-18 20:25 <LiruCookies> Plugh: That's not a viewer issue, I know it's not, there's no such message on the viewer.
2015-02-18 20:29 <smxy> It comes from line 221 of MapSearchModule.cs
2015-02-18 20:31 <smxy> remoteClient.SendAlertMessage("Region found!");
2015-02-18 20:33 <LiruCookies> yeah
2015-02-18 20:36 <Plugh> Do profile picks work in 0.8.0.3 with core profiles?
2015-02-18 20:37 <Plugh> Retrieval seems OK,  afaict, but creating new gives db error
2015-02-18 20:46 <Plugh> nm. I think it is a migration issue by the person reporting the issue.
2015-02-18 20:53 <dahlia> ya I kinda thought that message was rediculous too :P
2015-02-18 20:53 <zadark> 
ACTION passes dahlia the key to the cookie jar

2015-02-18 20:53 <dahlia> mmmmmmm nom nom scarf nom
2015-02-18 20:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #4048 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-18 21:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4048: SUCCESS in 8 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4048/
2015-02-18 21:01 <osjenkins> dahlia: Comment out unnecessary "Region Found!" alert message when searching map
2015-02-18 21:04 <Plugh> It may be tied in with the message you get when you TP
2015-02-18 21:07 <dahlia> doesnt seem to happen in SL
2015-02-18 22:16 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Document does not have a root element and [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Unrecognized node in asset XML transform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-02-18 22:35 <osmantis> Bug #7444:04 Terrain edit: Smooth , strength slider is not working. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7444 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-02-19 00:55 <smxy> Thanks, dahlia. :)
2015-02-19 04:05 <osmantis> Bug #7444:04 Terrain edit: Smooth , strength slider is not working. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7444 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007404.
2015-02-19 04:05 <osmantis> Bug #7404:04 Terrain editing tools (bulldozer) behaving oddly -- terraforming 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7404 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007444.
2015-02-19 04:05 <osmantis> Bug #7444:04 Terrain edit: Smooth , strength slider is not working. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7444 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-02-19 08:59 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-02-19 10:50 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Document does not have a root element and [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Unrecognized node in asset XML transform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-02-19 12:38 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Document does not have a root element and [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Unrecognized node in asset XML transform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-02-19 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #7445:04 Placeholder 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7445 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-02-19 20:44 <osmantis> Bug #7445:04 Placeholder 14(  ): has been DELETED.
2015-02-19 21:46 <justincc> damnit
2015-02-19 21:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #4049 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-19 21:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4049: SUCCESS in 6 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4049/
2015-02-19 21:54 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Add explanation that [Startup] CombineContiguousRegions should be false for varregions.
2015-02-19 21:58 <dahlia> maybe that settng should be ignored if region is larger than 256x256
2015-02-19 22:16 <justincc> From memory I think the code structure would make that difficult but I haven't looked recently
2015-02-19 22:33 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Document does not have a root element and [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Unrecognized node in asset XML transform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-02-19 22:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #4050 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-02-19 22:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4050: SUCCESS in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4050/
2015-02-19 22:44 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add the type of the unrecognized node to the HG asset mapping error message in TransformXml()
2015-02-19 22:53 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Document does not have a root element and [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Unrecognized node in asset XML transform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-02-19 23:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #4051 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-02-19 23:14 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Make any exception that gets to LLClientView.ProcessSpecificPacketAsync() tells us the exception type as well as the message and stacktrace details.
2015-02-19 23:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #4052 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-02-19 23:55 <osjenkins> jjustincc: If HGAssetMapper.PostAsset fails then be more explicit about the uuid, type, size and base asset uuid of the failure for debugging purposes.
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2015-02-20 00:32 <paela> hello i have a question on firestorm surl seen hop/grid... and singularity http://grid... nothing work why ??
2015-02-20 01:17 <LiruCookies> I don't follow the question
2015-02-20 01:41 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Document does not have a root element and [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Unrecognized node in asset XML transform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-02-20 19:12 <Plugh> nebadon: ping
2015-02-20 19:13 <nebadon> hey Plugh
2015-02-20 19:13 <nebadon> Melanie_t said the reason your email didnt get through was > <Melanie_T> plugh's email went into moderation because it was sent from the wrong source
2015-02-20 19:14 <Plugh> wrong source?
2015-02-20 19:14 <nebadon> I am just quoting her
2015-02-20 19:14 <nebadon> i didnt actually speak to her, just what she said
2015-02-20 19:14 <Plugh> oh. Not sure how the system keeps track of who is allowed to send mail. 
2015-02-20 19:14 <nebadon> maybe you initially used a different email ?
2015-02-20 19:15 <Plugh> I don't have my email program reinstalled on my laptop so I sent it from my websites email system.
2015-02-20 19:15 <nebadon> well it shouldnt matter what email client you use
2015-02-20 19:15 <nebadon> I think she means perhaps you used a different email address before
2015-02-20 19:15 <Plugh> That's what I thought. Still same email address.
2015-02-20 19:15 <nebadon> odd
2015-02-20 19:16 <nebadon> maybe you sent it from a different smtp server?
2015-02-20 19:16 <nebadon> perhaps it got flagged as suspicious because things didnt line up 100% or something
2015-02-20 19:16 <Plugh> Yes, it was via different SMTP server.
2015-02-20 19:16 <nebadon> aha ok that is why
2015-02-20 19:17 <nebadon> a lot of email systems will flag mail like that as spam
2015-02-20 19:17 <Plugh> so it tracks the email address AND the SMTP servers as to who can post. That seems a little odd.
2015-02-20 19:17 <nebadon> thats how mx works
2015-02-20 19:17 <nebadon> if the smpt domain is different from the email domain
2015-02-20 19:17 <nebadon> it throws red flags
2015-02-20 19:18 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Document does not have a root element and [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Unrecognized node in asset XML transform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-20 19:18 <nebadon> as could not be from original sender 
2015-02-20 19:18 <Plugh> My SMTP domainis always going to be different from my email domain
2015-02-20 19:18 <AliciaRaven> reverse dns must match what the server says it is, i just had a nightmare a couple of weeks ago setting up an SMTP server
2015-02-20 19:18 <nebadon> yea
2015-02-20 19:19 <nebadon> and that is why i dont run my own mail servers
2015-02-20 19:19 <nebadon> lol
2015-02-20 19:19 <Plugh> I have mail going to comcast bouncing due to reverse DNS issue but they don't say what domain is involved. The machine does have a proper reverse DNS but it hosts multiple domains.
2015-02-20 19:20 <AliciaRaven> the mail servers dns needs a PTR record or any mail it tries to send will get rejected right away
2015-02-20 19:20 <Plugh> nebadon: all depends on how anal some mail systems are
2015-02-20 19:21 <Plugh> I had to add two TXT(?) records recently to a mail server to allow mail to a couple of destinations.
2015-02-20 19:23 <AliciaRaven> they may have been SPF records
2015-02-20 19:23 <Plugh> I don't remember what they were. I'd have to check.
2015-02-20 19:24 <Plugh> nebadon: May I PM you some more about MB's?
2015-02-20 19:24 <nebadon> sure
2015-02-20 19:38 <jakdaniels_> spf records are good to have. They list which hosts are allowed to send mail for a given domain
2015-02-20 20:11 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: I needed to add records to the DNS so that the receiving mail server would accept mail from a machine with a valid reverse DNS
2015-02-20 20:14 <jakdaniels_> the sending host's reverse dns name does not have to match the email domain you send from, or even match the name of the smtp host in the smtp transfer in most cases
2015-02-20 20:14 <AliciaRaven> Plugh, that will be the PTR record, its also known as reverse dns
2015-02-20 20:15 <AliciaRaven> jakdaniels_, it does, the PTR record is reverse dns and must match the email servers domain, if it dosnt match its rejected
2015-02-20 20:16 <Plugh> no, Im sure it was text records. I'll need to ssh in to a remote machine to check
2015-02-20 20:16 <jakdaniels_> well I have a server called mail.mydomain, but the PTR record says something like host1.mydomain
2015-02-20 20:16 <AliciaRaven> it can still recieve mail tho, but no email server will take mail with out a ptr record
2015-02-20 20:16 <jakdaniels_> but I use SPF records
2015-02-20 20:17 <AliciaRaven> spf records are diferent, they just say which server are allowed to send mail from the domain
2015-02-20 20:17 <jakdaniels_> yes, and it can be a server that is called something else not in the domain
2015-02-20 20:17 <AliciaRaven> yes, if u allow another server using spf records
2015-02-20 20:18 <jakdaniels_> otherwise how would google be able to send smtp mail around the world on behalf of your own google hosted domain
2015-02-20 20:19 <jakdaniels_> using PTR record check is bad because anyone can fake a PTR record
2015-02-20 20:19 <AliciaRaven> http://www.emailtalk.org/ptr.aspx
2015-02-20 20:19 <AliciaRaven> no, the ptr record must be set by service provider
2015-02-20 20:19 <jakdaniels_> sorry forget that last remark.... 
2015-02-20 20:19 <jakdaniels_> you can fake a ptr record but not the forward record of course
2015-02-20 20:20 <jakdaniels_> my service provider and most hosted server providers let you set the PTR records for the IPs you use
2015-02-20 20:21 <AliciaRaven> yes, so u cant fake it, they only allow you set set them for your ips
2015-02-20 20:24 <Plugh> yup. It was txt records I had to add.
2015-02-20 20:24 <Plugh> two remote systems wanted specific strings or else they refused mail
2015-02-20 20:25 <jakdaniels_> something like : IN      TXT     "v=spf1 a:yourhost.yourdomain ~all"   ?
2015-02-20 20:25 <Plugh> that is something like one of them. The other had google-site-verification ...
2015-02-20 20:25 <jakdaniels_> ah yes the good old google TXT record :)
2015-02-20 20:26 <Plugh> Seems I have two google ones. Not sure why
2015-02-20 20:27 <jakdaniels_> perhaps you created a subdomain as a new domain in google
2015-02-20 20:28 <jakdaniels_> google will treat them as separate domains
2015-02-20 20:30 <Plugh> I don't remember. Im sure I have it written down somewhere as to why. At least I should have written it down somewhere.
2015-02-20 21:33 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Document does not have a root element and [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Unrecognized node in asset XML transform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-20 21:36 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-20 21:43 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-20 21:45 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Document does not have a root element and [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Unrecognized node in asset XML transform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-20 21:55 <smxy> Sure wish I didn't have to teleport to most places twice (once for my attachments, then once for me).
2015-02-20 21:55 <nebadon> yea that is a bit annoying
2015-02-20 21:55 <nebadon> dosnt always happen for me though
2015-02-20 21:56 <nebadon> on all of my own grids its usually 1 trip and its good
2015-02-20 21:56 <nebadon> the only place i have to HG to twice of my own is my Raspberry Pi
2015-02-20 21:56 <nebadon> between my Grid, Avacon, Encitra, OSCC and OSgrid i never had to do it twice, but when i visit other places i do sometimes
2015-02-20 21:57 <BlueWall> yeah, it's probably an effect of network speed 
2015-02-20 21:57 <nebadon> occasionally i think maybe a few times to encitra it did happen
2015-02-20 21:57 <nebadon> but that grid is in germany
2015-02-20 21:57 <nebadon> so ya that might explain some of it
2015-02-20 21:57 <nebadon> I dont HG to that grid often though, almost never most of the grid is not even HG accessible
2015-02-20 21:58 <BlueWall> Also would depend on how heavy the avatar is
2015-02-20 21:58 <nebadon> ya lately im just a singlle attachment
2015-02-20 21:58 <nebadon> maybe 2-3 attachments total
2015-02-20 21:58 <nebadon> just my mesh avatar which is like 95% of my appearance
2015-02-20 21:58 <nebadon> then my necklace which is prims
2015-02-20 21:58 <nebadon> thats usually it
2015-02-20 21:58 <smxy> I have mesh hair, pants and shoes. nd a bunny. :)
2015-02-20 21:59 <BlueWall> I'm out now on Austin Tate's grid without issue. The avatar has some attachements but not many.
2015-02-20 21:59 <smxy> And*
2015-02-20 21:59 <nebadon> probably the bunny!! make some stew!
2015-02-20 21:59 <nebadon> lol
2015-02-20 21:59 <smxy> lol
2015-02-20 21:59 <BlueWall> standard LK avatar.
2015-02-20 21:59 <smxy> I don't have to do it twice all the time, but for many grids I do.
2015-02-20 21:59 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-20 22:01 <nebadon> if its happening a lot to you, that may mean your network is part of the problem
2015-02-20 22:01 <nebadon> i have very fast internet
2015-02-20 22:02 <smxy> I have 110Mbps down and 15Mbps up.
2015-02-20 22:02 <smxy> It works wonderfully. :)
2015-02-20 22:03 <nebadon> yea thats near what i get too
2015-02-20 22:03 <nebadon> you are doing a lot with virtual machines though?
2015-02-20 22:03 <nebadon> is there a alot of NAT involved in your setup?
2015-02-20 22:04 <nebadon> opensimulator is very sensitive to wierd network stuff
2015-02-20 22:05 <smxy> Yes, VMs, which perform great. They use little RAM and virtually no CPU. Not a lot of NAT, no, but I've had my current network config in place for over a year. I recall others saying they have this issue too. And mostly if wearing any mesh, so it was no great surprise to me when it started happening when I began wearing mesh.
2015-02-20 22:06 <smxy> It would be nice if it didn't happen though.
2015-02-20 22:07 <nebadon> oh ya
2015-02-20 22:07 <nebadon> no doubt there are various causes for networking issues
2015-02-20 22:07 <nebadon> perhaps router itself
2015-02-20 22:07 <smxy> I think it does happen to eu grids mostly. The pipe across the pond isn't all that big.
2015-02-20 22:07 <nebadon> maybe something completely out of your control, its hard to say
2015-02-20 22:07 <nebadon> i usually get a great connection to my german servers
2015-02-20 22:08 <nebadon> nearly as good as I do to texas
2015-02-20 23:13 <justincc> LiruCookies: are you around?
2015-02-20 23:14 <LiruCookies> justincc: meow
2015-02-20 23:15 <justincc> LiruCookies: do you know why diva did the partial implementation of the get display names cap?
2015-02-20 23:15 <LiruCookies> Time constraints on doing a full one? How should I know.
2015-02-20 23:16 <justincc> ok, I thought I read someone that you had asked her to.  My mistake.
2015-02-20 23:16 <LiruCookies> Or do you mean the partial as in not implementing display names? I think that's because of the past objections to display names.
2015-02-20 23:17 <justincc> I really mean the partial as in implementing enough to replace the existing UDP mechanism
2015-02-20 23:19 <justincc> there do seem to be bugs now where the "unknown user" issue has crept back.  I suspect that there might be some issue on hypergrid teleport where some requests for unrecognized UUIDs on the destination sim are  still routed through the source sim cap
2015-02-20 23:19 <justincc> but that is currently speculation on my part
2015-02-20 23:21 <LiruCookies> Overall the HTTP is what's used in SL, it's more heavily tested, and without it opensim is relying on old parts of the viewer
2015-02-20 23:21 <LiruCookies> UDP is only used as the fallback
2015-02-20 23:22 <justincc> right.  Do you have any imment plans to remove the UDP part?
2015-02-20 23:22 <justincc> imminent
2015-02-20 23:22 <LiruCookies> No?
2015-02-20 23:22 <justincc> ok, thanks
2015-02-20 23:23 <LiruCookies> But if we did that, the viewer would nearly completely compile, and existing opensim grids would be without names...
2015-02-20 23:23 <justincc> nearly completely compile?
2015-02-20 23:24 <notskittles> and Second Life would be without names because when the Display Name cap on sl fails, it fails hard.
2015-02-20 23:24 <LiruCookies> There are still a few places in Singularity where we query the legacy name to fill things, I think these are just old calls though.
2015-02-20 23:25 <LiruCookies> Second Life would be fine, more or less, the cache is populated for most of the users before a cap will fail, except first use, but we really can't help that, they'll probably notice mesh isn't loading either.
2015-02-20 23:26 <justincc> yeah.  This is a more painful issue for hypergrid in opensim
2015-02-20 23:26 <LiruCookies> Is there no code in opensim to decide if an id is hypergrid based?
2015-02-20 23:26 <notskittles> it'd be dumb to remove the code. you'd be breaking compatibility because that code isn't going anywhere in sl.
2015-02-20 23:27 <justincc> LiruCookies: I think the chief problem is that the viewer never retries for the name
2015-02-20 23:28 <LiruCookies> Of course it would be dumb! It'd be amusing to make an alpha build without support for it, just to have people flail around testing it.
2015-02-20 23:28 <notskittles> they couldn't even unwire the legacy search messages to shut that down. it's coupled too tightly to the region. :)
2015-02-20 23:28 <justincc> otherwise, if a simulator doesn't know the name opensim could just not reply and hope that a subsequent request to the destination simulator did fill it in
2015-02-20 23:30 <justincc> but then sims with user UUIDs that genuinely had no name information for some reason would keep getting retired, so maybe not a good solution
2015-02-20 23:31 <LiruCookies> If we redesigned the system to retry like that, LL would probably slap us.
2015-02-20 23:34 <justincc> or maybe less severely, opensim would have some way of signalling the user name is missing so that the viewer doesn't permanently cache an "Unknown user" name response
2015-02-20 23:34 <LiruCookies> Sec
2015-02-20 23:35 <LiruCookies> I think maybe there is
2015-02-20 23:35 <LiruCookies> The expires
2015-02-20 23:38 <LiruCookies> display_name_expires field
2015-02-20 23:38 <LiruCookies> Set that to 60 or so
2015-02-20 23:39 <LiruCookies> or however long you feel is enough in seconds
2015-02-20 23:39 <justincc> interesting, I don't see that in http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/GetDisplayNames.  Is that a recent addition?
2015-02-20 23:39 <LiruCookies> Don't think so
2015-02-20 23:40 <LiruCookies> Hm
2015-02-20 23:40 <LiruCookies> Maybe it's not part of that
2015-02-20 23:40 <LiruCookies> Oh
2015-02-20 23:40 <LiruCookies> Yeah
2015-02-20 23:40 <justincc> I see it in your source code though https://searchcode.com/codesearch/view/36488456/
2015-02-20 23:40 <LiruCookies> It's not something you can send as the server
2015-02-20 23:40 <justincc> er, maybe that's not yours
2015-02-20 23:40 <LiruCookies> We use the expiration time on the header
2015-02-20 23:41 <LiruCookies> And that means all the agents you send in the response will expire at the same time
2015-02-20 23:41 <justincc> expiraton time in an http header?
2015-02-20 23:41 <LiruCookies> mhm
2015-02-20 23:43 <justincc> for a missing user we would have to bunch those into a separate http response
2015-02-20 23:43 <LiruCookies> Yep
2015-02-21 00:14 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-21 00:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #4053 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-21 00:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4053: SUCCESS in 9 min 36 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4053/
2015-02-21 00:23 <osjenkins> jjustincc: In HGAssetMapper.RewriteSOP(), don't explicitly end the document.
2015-02-21 00:24 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Document does not have a root element and [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Unrecognized node in asset XML transform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-21 00:27 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-21 00:27 <justincc> alright enough, goodnight folks
2015-02-21 00:47 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-21 00:51 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-21 01:06 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-02-21 10:31 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Document does not have a root element and [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Unrecognized node in asset XML transform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-21 10:56 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Document does not have a root element and [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Unrecognized node in asset XML transform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-21 11:46 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-21 14:57 <osmantis> Bug #7447:04 Region reported can be incorrect in warning of form "Unrecognized node XmlDeclaration in asset XML transform in region" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7447 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-02-21 17:03 <osmantis> Bug #7447:04 Region reported can be incorrect in warning of form "Unrecognized node XmlDeclaration in asset XML transform in region" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7447 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-02-21 17:07 <osmantis> Bug #7447:04 Region reported can be incorrect in warning of form "Unrecognized node XmlDeclaration in asset XML transform in region" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7447 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-02-21 18:25 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-21 19:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #4054 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-21 19:31 <osmantis> Bug #7113:04 llGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7113 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-02-21 19:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4054: SUCCESS in 4 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4054/
2015-02-21 19:35 <osjenkins> bluewall: Fix cross-grid inventory delivery notifications, fixes http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7113
2015-02-21 22:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #4055 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-21 22:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4055: SUCCESS in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4055/
2015-02-21 22:32 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: update the OSX BulletSim binary to the latest sources in
2015-02-21 22:35 <nebadon> misterblue I compiled bulletsim on my raspberry po
2015-02-21 22:35 <nebadon> pi*
2015-02-21 22:35 <nebadon> and this is what i get > http://pastebin.com/BHV54SkF
2015-02-21 22:35 <nebadon> any ideas?
2015-02-21 22:36 <misterblue> DLL not found usually means it was found but the calls didn't match
2015-02-21 22:36 <misterblue> where are you putting the DLL?
2015-02-21 22:36 <nebadon> lib32
2015-02-21 22:36 <misterblue> 
ACTION is thinking about the code in Util that choses between lib32 and lib64

2015-02-21 22:37 <misterblue> I think it checks the bytes in an int
2015-02-21 22:38 <misterblue> never mind, that is only for windows
2015-02-21 22:38 <misterblue> the Linux BulletSim DLL is specific in the config file
2015-02-21 22:39 <misterblue> bin/Physics/OpenSim.Region.Physics.BulletSPlugin.dll.config
2015-02-21 22:39 <misterblue> would need an entry for the PI pointing to the DLL
2015-02-21 22:39 <nebadon> yea I messed with that
2015-02-21 22:39 <nebadon> i tried just a specific reference to dll only
2015-02-21 22:40 <nebadon> i tried changing it to arm
2015-02-21 22:40 <nebadon> all ends the same basically
2015-02-21 22:40 <nebadon> but im not sure what the proper reference for a pi would actually be
2015-02-21 22:40 <nebadon> pi@nebadon-pi2 ~/opensim/bin $ lscpu
2015-02-21 22:40 <nebadon> Architecture:          armv7l
2015-02-21 22:40 <nebadon> Byte Order:            Little Endian
2015-02-21 22:40 <nebadon> CPU(s):                4
2015-02-21 22:40 <nebadon> On-line CPU(s) list:   0-3
2015-02-21 22:40 <nebadon> Thread(s) per core:    1
2015-02-21 22:40 <nebadon> Core(s) per socket:    4
2015-02-21 22:41 <nebadon> Socket(s):             1
2015-02-21 22:41 <misterblue> Initialize2 is the first fall made to the DLL... I've seen that fail for both DLL not found and DLL signature not matching
2015-02-21 22:41 <nebadon> i tried armv7l
2015-02-21 22:41 <nebadon> bluewall quoted a reference
2015-02-21 22:41 <nebadon> where the only valid for arm was either "arm" or "armv8:
2015-02-21 22:41 <nebadon> but neither worked
2015-02-21 22:44 <nebadon> this is what i tried
2015-02-21 22:44 <nebadon>   <dllmap os="!windows,osx" cpu="armv7l" dll="BulletSim" target="lib32/libBulletSim.so" />
2015-02-21 22:45 <nebadon> pi@nebadon-pi2 ~/opensim/opensim/bin/lib32 $ ldd libBulletSim.so
2015-02-21 22:45 <nebadon>         /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libcofi_rpi.so (0x76e4b000)
2015-02-21 22:45 <nebadon>         libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libstdc++.so.6 (0x76d5c000)
2015-02-21 22:45 <nebadon>         libm.so.6 => /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libm.so.6 (0x76ceb000)
2015-02-21 22:45 <nebadon>         libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x76cc3000)
2015-02-21 22:45 <nebadon>         libc.so.6 => /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libc.so.6 (0x76b92000)
2015-02-21 22:45 <nebadon>         /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3 (0x76f80000)
2015-02-21 22:49 <Plugh> Which os are you using on the Pi?
2015-02-21 22:49 <nebadon> Raspbian
2015-02-21 22:49 <nebadon> with mono 3.12.0
2015-02-21 22:49 <Plugh> k.I haven't tried mono on it yet but I'm also using Raspbian
2015-02-21 22:50 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIOcotKGsDg
2015-02-21 22:51 <nebadon> that is with BulletXNA
2015-02-21 22:51 <Plugh> Is that the mars rover running around?
2015-02-21 22:51 <nebadon> yea
2015-02-21 22:51 <Plugh> cool
2015-02-21 22:51 <Plugh> avatar shadows??
2015-02-21 22:51 <nebadon> should be even better with native bullet dll
2015-02-21 22:52 <nebadon> hehe yep, you can even project textures onto avatar bodies too
2015-02-21 22:52 <nebadon> with light projectors, pretty cool
2015-02-21 22:53 <nebadon> not bad for a 35$ motherboard
2015-02-21 22:53 <Plugh> which Pi is that running on?
2015-02-21 22:53 <Plugh> b+?
2015-02-21 22:54 <nebadon> no V2
2015-02-21 22:54 <nebadon> Quad core with 1gb ram
2015-02-21 22:54 <Plugh> ok. Thought it wouldn't work well (or at all) on V1
2015-02-21 22:54 <Plugh> Gotta get me a V2
2015-02-21 22:54 <Plugh> I like the giant pi board
2015-02-21 22:54 <nebadon> http://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-2-model-b/
2015-02-21 22:55 <Plugh> btw, since when are there avatar shadows?
2015-02-21 22:55 <nebadon> since the viewer got shadow support
2015-02-21 22:55 <nebadon> you need hardware that can do it though
2015-02-21 22:55 <misterblue> somewhere there is a way to see the error if an SO doesn't load because of a dependency problem
2015-02-21 22:57 <Plugh> ltrace??
2015-02-21 22:59 <Plugh> nebadon, I know where to get the Pi 2 but it is a case of finding someone who has them in stock.
2015-02-21 22:59 <misterblue> mono has some verbose parameters which show where it is searching for libraries
2015-02-21 23:01 <nebadon> it didnt take long for mine to come
2015-02-21 23:01 <nebadon> ordered from Newark
2015-02-21 23:01 <nebadon> hmm
2015-02-21 23:01 <nebadon> other than --debug
2015-02-21 23:01 <nebadon> ?
2015-02-21 23:01 <Plugh> The day they came out I couldn't even access the store at Element 14
2015-02-21 23:01 <nebadon> yea
2015-02-21 23:02 <nebadon> I think they were more prepared this time
2015-02-21 23:02 <Plugh> since then, they show out of stock
2015-02-21 23:02 <nebadon> because mine came 2 weeks before they said it would
2015-02-21 23:02 <nebadon> it wasnt even supposed to ship until the 28th or something
2015-02-21 23:03 <Plugh> bbl. Dinner is ready.
2015-02-21 23:04 <misterblue> "MONO_LOG_LEVEL=debug mono GdiExample.exe" is the example on mono-project
2015-02-21 23:04 <nebadon> isnt that the same as mono --debug OpenSim.exe
2015-02-21 23:04 <nebadon> which is what i am doing
2015-02-21 23:04 <nebadon> mostly all that does is add line #'s to the errors
2015-02-21 23:05 <nebadon> what line of the code its referencing
2015-02-21 23:05 <misterblue> you see lots of "error loading library" and "loading location" log messages?
2015-02-21 23:05 <nebadon> dont see anything like that
2015-02-21 23:05 <nebadon> the only odd thing i saw was what i pasted
2015-02-21 23:05 <misterblue> http://www.mono-project.com/docs/advanced/pinvoke/dllnotfoundexception/
2015-02-21 23:05 <nebadon> everything else is what id normally see with opensim
2015-02-21 23:07 <misterblue> come to think of it, though, mono will try to load BulletSim.so and if that can't find all its system dependencies, it will just fail to load with no mono searching
2015-02-21 23:08 <nebadon> here is the entire start up
2015-02-21 23:08 <misterblue> your list of dependencies above don't look bad as long as all those libraries are on your system
2015-02-21 23:08 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/3ybVDYkf
2015-02-21 23:08 <nebadon> hmm ok let me verify that
2015-02-21 23:10 <nebadon> pi@nebadon-pi2 ~ $ ls -l  /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libcofi_rpi.so
2015-02-21 23:10 <nebadon> -rwxr-xr-x 1 2625 2625 10170 Mar 26  2013 /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libcofi_rpi.so
2015-02-21 23:10 <nebadon> pi@nebadon-pi2 ~ $ ls -l /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libstdc++.so.6
2015-02-21 23:10 <nebadon> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Sep  6 08:51 /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libstdc++.so.6 -> libstdc++.so.6.0.19
2015-02-21 23:10 <nebadon> pi@nebadon-pi2 ~ $ ls -l /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libm.so.6
2015-02-21 23:10 <nebadon> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jan 27 21:25 /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libm.so.6 -> libm-2.13.so
2015-02-21 23:10 <nebadon> pi@nebadon-pi2 ~ $ ls -l /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libgcc_s.so.1
2015-02-21 23:10 <nebadon> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 130448 Sep  6 09:18 /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libgcc_s.so.1
2015-02-21 23:10 <nebadon> pi@nebadon-pi2 ~ $ ls -l /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libc.so.6
2015-02-21 23:10 <nebadon> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jan 27 21:25 /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libc.so.6 -> libc-2.13.so
2015-02-21 23:10 <nebadon> pi@nebadon-pi2 ~ $ ls -l /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3
2015-02-21 23:10 <nebadon> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 30 Jan 27 21:25 /lib/ld-linux-armhf.so.3 -> arm-linux-gnueabihf/ld-2.13.so
2015-02-21 23:10 <nebadon> everything exists
2015-02-21 23:12 <dahlia> I didnt think bullet had any dependencies
2015-02-21 23:12 <dahlia> except for the demos
2015-02-21 23:25 <misterblue> just dependencies on all the C++ environment stuff.... should write everyting in assembly, really
2015-02-21 23:27 <dahlia> misterblue: ya but then it wouldnt build if something was missing?
2015-02-22 00:53 <BlueWall> nebadon, I think you should be able to just write out: <dllmap dll="BulletSim" target="lib32/libBulletSim.so" />
2015-02-22 00:53 <nebadon> I think i did that
2015-02-22 00:53 <nebadon> and it still crashed
2015-02-22 00:53 <nebadon> let me try
2015-02-22 00:53 <BlueWall> ok
2015-02-22 00:54 <BlueWall> But, as long as it's running on one platform, that config file can just point to the one you want since you won't be distributing it to other people (architectures)
2015-02-22 00:57 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/cPMVHEb6
2015-02-22 00:57 <nebadon> misterblue & dahlia see above pastebin to see results of using BlueWall's suggestion
2015-02-22 00:58 <BlueWall>  ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/waitpid.c:41
2015-02-22 00:58 <BlueWall> 41      ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/waitpid.c: No such file or directory.
2015-02-22 00:58 <BlueWall> maybe some things are missing?
2015-02-22 00:59 <nebadon> certainly possible, but it compiled without error
2015-02-22 01:00 <BlueWall>  in __libc_waitpid 
2015-02-22 01:01 <BlueWall> it might compile against libc, but looks like libc is missing something
2015-02-22 01:01 <BlueWall> haha, pretty cool that it runs.
2015-02-22 01:02 <dahlia> have you built any c++ code on that before?
2015-02-22 01:02 <dahlia> that worked?
2015-02-22 01:02 <dahlia> maybe go into aptitude and look for something like glibc-dev
2015-02-22 01:03 <nebadon> ok
2015-02-22 01:03 <nebadon> and no i have not
2015-02-22 01:03 <nebadon> this is first real thing ive done with it
2015-02-22 01:04 <dahlia> theres some package which installs a bunch of development dependencies but I can never remember the name
2015-02-22 01:06 <dahlia> apt-get install build-essentials
2015-02-22 01:07 <nebadon> k
2015-02-22 01:08 <nebadon> hmm raspbian has no build-essentials
2015-02-22 01:08 <dahlia> :(
2015-02-22 01:10 <dahlia> http://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/1k2pid/how_to_install_buildessential_on_raspberry_pi/
2015-02-22 01:10 <dahlia> apt-get install build-essential
2015-02-22 01:10 <dahlia> no s at the end
2015-02-22 01:11 <nebadon> ya i tried that
2015-02-22 01:11 <nebadon> but > dpkg -s build-essential
2015-02-22 01:11 <nebadon> says its already installed
2015-02-22 01:11 <nebadon> but apt says it cant find package
2015-02-22 01:11 <paela> Hello, The request lsl to server php and return at lsl work at opensim ?
2015-02-22 01:12 <BlueWall> remote data?
2015-02-22 01:12 <BlueWall> http request
2015-02-22 01:13 <paela> example my script lsl seen at the server a resquet creat stream and server return the info streaming
2015-02-22 01:14 <BlueWall> https://github.com/BlueWall/VApp
2015-02-22 01:14 <BlueWall> there is a php server w/lsl example (networked teleport)
2015-02-22 01:14 <paela> thanks
2015-02-22 01:14 <BlueWall> yw
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2015-02-22 05:22 <osmantis> Bug #7448:04 Console command terrain load does not load zero level RAW32 file 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7448 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-02-22 15:02 <osmantis> Bug #7449:04 KeyFrameMotion moves slower in opensim with same script compared to SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7449 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-02-22 18:48 <osmantis> Bug #7450:04 IAR Nested Scripts Missing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7450 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-02-22 18:49 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007450.
2015-02-22 18:49 <osmantis> Bug #7450:04 IAR Nested Scripts Missing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7450 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007439.
2015-02-22 18:51 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-22 19:00 <osmantis> Bug #7450:04 IAR Nested Scripts Missing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7450 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-22 19:10 <osmantis> Bug #7450:04 IAR Nested Scripts Missing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7450 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-02-22 19:29 <smxy> All these missing script and HG XML issues are making me not update my code. I've got several folks in my grid who are scripting stuff and packaging them for others and these bugs have me paranoid I'll break everything of theirs.
2015-02-22 19:36 <osmantis> Bug #7450:04 IAR Nested Scripts Missing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7450 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-22 19:37 <BlueWall> We don't really know how long this has been happening though.
2015-02-22 21:11 <dahlia> I see nested scripts in stuff I loaded from my old osgrid iar
2015-02-22 21:54 <BlueWall> ++ , the thing I saw happened when things went from one step to the next pretty fast (taking copies, rezzing, fixing perms)
2015-02-22 21:55 <BlueWall> I was making that one because the one I had from earlier had the same issue. But in that one no perms were adjusted before making the iar.
2015-02-22 21:55 <BlueWall> Also, the iar was made from another region console.
2015-02-22 21:56 <dahlia> I did have some missing assets in my osgrid iar, mostly clothing textures
2015-02-22 21:56 <BlueWall> so, maybe something was caching perms
2015-02-22 21:56 <dahlia> maybe uuidgatherer is borked
2015-02-22 21:57 <dahlia> thought I remember seeing some changes to it in the recent past
2015-02-22 21:57 <BlueWall> I wonder if they have perms issues when they are packing these things
2015-02-22 21:57 <dahlia> I havent seen perms issues
2015-02-22 21:57 <dahlia> maybe not looking ;)
2015-02-22 21:58 <BlueWall> After going back and rezzing everything and taking it back, then making an iar in that region's console it worked ok.
2015-02-22 21:59 <dahlia> do scripts go in the viewer cache?
2015-02-22 21:59 <BlueWall> It used to be that we had to login to the region before it worked 
2015-02-22 21:59 <BlueWall> nope
2015-02-22 21:59 <BlueWall> they are about the only thing that is "safe" from hackers
2015-02-22 21:59 <dahlia> +
2015-02-22 21:59 <dahlia> I mean when you edit them
2015-02-22 21:59 <BlueWall> hmm, I don't know about that.
2015-02-22 22:00 <dahlia> me either
2015-02-22 22:00 <BlueWall> 1 thing - I did select a group of things and force ownership/perms at once.
2015-02-22 22:00 <BlueWall> then packe them back in the object
2015-02-22 22:00 <BlueWall> maybe that is hosed
2015-02-22 22:01 <dahlia> I do have problems opening scripts from my osgrid iar, it wont let me see them until I go into admin mode and set owner perms
2015-02-22 22:01 <dahlia> I kinda thought it was because my avatar uuid is different on my grid
2015-02-22 22:01 <BlueWall> do you have the same uuid?
2015-02-22 22:01 <dahlia> different
2015-02-22 22:02 <BlueWall> that makes sense then
2015-02-22 22:02 <BlueWall> I have the same uuid everywhere, I guess that's not too good :)
2015-02-22 22:02 <dahlia> wasnt sure if using the same uuid on multiple hypergrid grids was a good idea
2015-02-22 22:02 <dahlia> so i made a new one
2015-02-22 22:02 <BlueWall> You can't travel
2015-02-22 22:03 <BlueWall> at least to grids you have the same uuid 
2015-02-22 22:03 <dahlia> heh
2015-02-22 22:03 <dahlia> it wont let you in?
2015-02-22 22:03 <BlueWall> nope
2015-02-22 22:03 <dahlia> thats probably a good thing
2015-02-22 22:03 <BlueWall> a long time ago, I found that you could create users with the same uuid and edit things on either grid.
2015-02-22 22:04 <dahlia> ya thats probably not a good thing
2015-02-22 22:04 <BlueWall> So, then I made a nebadon avatar on my home grid and jumped to OSG and could edit his things
2015-02-22 22:04 <BlueWall> :D
2015-02-22 22:04 <dahlia> lol
2015-02-22 22:04 <BlueWall> So, that is why you can't do that these days
2015-02-22 22:05 <dahlia> so *YOU'RE* the one :P
2015-02-22 22:05 <BlueWall> haha
2015-02-22 22:07 <BlueWall> a person was saying that they wished they could edit their things from the HG and I told them to make an account with the same UUID ...
2015-02-22 22:07 <BlueWall> then started thinking about it - not good, not good.
2015-02-22 22:07 <dahlia> not good
2015-02-22 22:08 <dahlia> but fun for quick lulz 
2015-02-22 22:21 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Document does not have a root element and [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Unrecognized node in asset XML transform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-22 22:22 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Document does not have a root element and [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Unrecognized node in asset XML transform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007447.
2015-02-22 22:22 <osmantis> Bug #7447:04 Region reported can be incorrect in warning of form "Unrecognized node XmlDeclaration in asset XML transform in region" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7447 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007397.
2015-02-22 22:24 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Document does not have a root element and [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Unrecognized node in asset XML transform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-02-22 22:26 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Document does not have a root element and [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Unrecognized node in asset XML transform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-02-22 22:29 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Document does not have a root element and [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Unrecognized node in asset XML transform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): has been REOPENED.
2015-02-22 22:32 <osmantis> Bug #7397:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Document does not have a root element and [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Unrecognized node in asset XML transform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7397 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-02-22 22:48 <Ar3s> Hello everyone, is there someone available who knows something about the MOAP module code ?
2015-02-22 22:50 <Ar3s> I've created a new module from it, placed it in the addon modules and made some modifications on it, it's working as it should in the default state, but i'm trying to rewrite it a little so we can send special URL's to each individual client... the problem i have right now is that i'm stuck in a loop lol
2015-02-22 22:51 <Ar3s> the url is send correctly to the client, but the client is trying to update the URL, which we don't want... and it is stuck in the update loop, trying to continuesly update it... the actual question, is there something i can send to the client so that it stops trying to update the URL?
2015-02-22 22:54 <Ar3s> as a sidenote, i have added moap object face exceptions.. these exceptions are threated different then normal moap url's, when the client wants to retrieve the url of one of those exceptions object/face then it calls an event, which another module catches and fills in the url
2015-02-22 22:55 <Ar3s> everythings works as it should, only the client continuesly tries to update the URL, anything i can do about that ?
2015-02-22 22:56 <dahlia> Ar3s: I dont really know much about moap, but I thought the URL was for the parcel the user is in
2015-02-22 22:57 <dahlia> so anyone in that parcel would get whatever URL was assigned
2015-02-22 22:57 <Ar3s> moap is media on a prim, you can set an URL on each object face :-)
2015-02-22 22:57 <Ar3s> what i'm trying to do is uhm
2015-02-22 22:57 <Ar3s> we are creating what we call the "computer module"
2015-02-22 22:58 <Ar3s> we are a scifi grid and we use that computer module to simulate a star trek ship computer
2015-02-22 22:58 <Ar3s> the media on a prim url is actualy the URL to the "LCARS" website, which is basicaly a console where users can work on
2015-02-22 22:59 <dahlia> is it your site?
2015-02-22 22:59 <Ar3s> jep
2015-02-22 22:59 <Ar3s> so we need a way to auth the user :-)
2015-02-22 22:59 <dahlia> maybe it could send a different page depending on who was requesting the url?
2015-02-22 22:59 <Ar3s> so i have added replacements parts in the actual url's [%AGENT_UUID] and stuff like that
2015-02-22 22:59 <Ar3s> ah!
2015-02-22 22:59 <Ar3s> your a miracle !
2015-02-22 23:00 <Ar3s> lol
2015-02-22 23:00 <Ar3s> it is redirecting us to the login page!
2015-02-22 23:00 <Ar3s> <=> changes url
2015-02-22 23:00 <Ar3s> lol
2015-02-22 23:00 <Ar3s> stupid of me :p
2015-02-22 23:01 <Ar3s> so changing that part in the website itself, no redirects... will probly fix the whole problem lol
2015-02-22 23:02 <dahlia> :)
2015-02-22 23:02 <Ar3s> btw, do you know of any other grids that use opensim in that way ?
2015-02-22 23:02 <dahlia> well you could probably hack opensim to send a different url to each user but it would be ugly
2015-02-22 23:03 <dahlia> not really, no
2015-02-22 23:03 <Ar3s> it's doing that right now :)
2015-02-22 23:03 <dahlia> thought you said the others wuold switch to it tho
2015-02-22 23:03 <Ar3s> in my example it is sending http://lcars.ufsgrid.com/mainscreen?agent=[%AGENT_UUID]&cpu=[%CPU_UUID]&secret=[%AGENT_AUTH]
2015-02-22 23:04 <Ar3s> and that works
2015-02-22 23:04 <Ar3s> but the site itself doesn't know about all the params yet
2015-02-22 23:04 <Ar3s> it just redirects to the loginpage :-)
2015-02-22 23:06 <Ar3s> well then i could say we are the only grid that actualy made a game in the code of opensim lol
2015-02-22 23:06 <Ar3s> that counts for originality lol
2015-02-22 23:06 <dahlia> game in the code?
2015-02-22 23:07 <dahlia> lots of grids have games, if thats what you mean
2015-02-22 23:13 <Ar3s> might be interesting to try to build something in to catch stuff like this and redirect the user to a page where we know we don't have any probs of redirections, even change the url in moap itself for that user orso... just a fallback precaution 
2015-02-22 23:17 <dahlia> I think justincc wrote the moap stuff, may want to ask him when he's online
2015-02-22 23:18 <dahlia> or check the viewer code and see if there's any hooks in there that might help
2015-02-22 23:20 <dahlia> I think you could also set up a scripted prim as a http server and have it send redirects
2015-02-22 23:32 <Ar3s> a scripted prim as a http server?
2015-02-22 23:33 <dahlia> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LSL_HTTP_server
2015-02-22 23:34 <dahlia> I think that stuff is implemented but Ive never tried it in opensim
2015-02-22 23:34 <dahlia> may need to be enabled in ini file somewhere
2015-02-22 23:34 <dahlia> or firewall or whatever
2015-02-22 23:41 <dahlia> this looks kinda neat http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/File:HTML_HUD_Demo.jpg
2015-02-22 23:53 <Ar3s> looks great indeed :D
2015-02-22 23:58 <Ar3s> i need some sleep! thanks for the help, when i need some more info i'll try to catch justincc!! x
2015-02-22 23:58 <dahlia> np gl
2015-02-23 00:28 <osmantis> Bug #7451:04 FLOTASM - Exception - cache file asset in use by another processs but this is impossible 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7451 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2015-02-23 10:30 <osmantis> Bug #7451:04 FLOTSAM - Exception - cache file asset in use by another processs but this is impossible 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7451 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-02-23 10:31 <osmantis> Bug #7451:04 FLOTSAM - Exception - cache file asset in use by another processs but this is impossible 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7451 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-23 10:36 <osmantis> Bug #7447:04 Region reported can be incorrect in warning of form "Unrecognized node XmlDeclaration in asset XML transform in region" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7447 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-23 14:30 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-23 14:52 <AllenKerensky> OSgrid update for 2015-02-23 http://news.osgrid.org/
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2015-02-24 09:39 <dahlia> anyone remember that command that pulls all the region assets into your region cache
2015-02-24 09:41 <AliciaRaven> fcache assets
2015-02-24 09:41 <dahlia> ah ty
2015-02-24 09:42 <AliciaRaven> np, btw dahlia i saw u replied to the mail list about auto backup, it wasnt working till i fixed it, and i updated the wiki.. did u think its still not clear?
2015-02-24 09:43 <dahlia> AliciaRaven: oh I didnt look on the wiki
2015-02-24 09:43 <dahlia> :)
2015-02-24 09:43 <dahlia> but ty for fix
2015-02-24 09:43 <dahlia> thought I saw your name in git blame in a few places :)
2015-02-24 09:44 <AliciaRaven> lol yep, wasnt working atall so i was suprised it was in master
2015-02-24 09:45 <dahlia> ya I didn't really know anything about it but nobody else seemed to be answering so I tried it out
2015-02-24 09:46 <dahlia> I'd think some general purpose cron like thing would probably work also but I don't plan on writing one ;)
2015-02-24 09:47 <AliciaRaven> i use the auto backup, i added the feature to remove files older than x number of days, we use it for rolling backups
2015-02-24 09:49 <zadark> info. mono-4.0.0-branch available. Note. testing reports stability issues with 64 bit builds, 32 bit ok.
2015-02-24 09:50 <AliciaRaven> think i will wait till nebadon and bluewall have poked it with a stick to see if it falls apart first lol
2015-02-24 09:50 <dahlia> lol
2015-02-24 09:51 <dahlia> Ive been using 3.99.something for a monthish
2015-02-24 09:52 <AliciaRaven> i thought u would stay with 2.12 for ever lol
2015-02-24 09:52 <AliciaRaven> memory any better?
2015-02-24 09:53 <dahlia> ya it is actually
2015-02-24 09:53 <dahlia> slightly better than  2.10.8.1, WAY better than 3.12
2015-02-24 09:53 <dahlia> 3.12 was horrid
2015-02-24 09:54 <AliciaRaven> what distro do u use? i never had memory issues with 3.12
2015-02-24 09:54 <dahlia> using debian unstable right now
2015-02-24 09:55 <dahlia> my grid has ~36 instances on one server. used around 9gb. 3.12 used 15gb. 3.99.whatever uses 8.6ish
2015-02-24 09:55 <dahlia> 9gb for 2.10.8.1
2015-02-24 09:56 <zadark> With 3.99 (4.0) there are not net 2.0 3.5 or 4.0 just 4.5 which has all the stuff to run opensim
2015-02-24 09:56 <dahlia> 4.0 too I believe
2015-02-24 09:57 <AliciaRaven> thats a big difference, i remember u saying about it, but i couldnt get the same result with ubuntu, memory was always less with each  mono upgrade i did
2015-02-24 09:59 <dahlia> I also did some testing on a temporary server with a fairly recent ubuntu
2015-02-24 09:59 <dahlia> but ubuntu is debian at its roots anyway
2015-02-24 09:59 <zadark> During 3.99 they have replaced at lot of components with Microsoft reference sources, Linq yesterday.  
2015-02-24 10:44 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-24 19:12 <Plugh> I'm at the meeting location but the only other person I see is nebadon. Where is everyone?
2015-02-24 19:12 <AliciaRaven> hg.osgrid.org:80:Wright Plaza
2015-02-24 19:12 <AliciaRaven> osgrid is back :)
2015-02-24 19:12 <Plugh> Oh. osgrid is back up?
2015-02-24 19:12 <Plugh> woohoo
2015-02-24 19:18 <AllenKerensky> um... OSG is not actually back
2015-02-24 19:18 <AllenKerensky> but it is in testing
2015-02-24 19:18 <AllenKerensky> but yes, people have noticed that the testing is going on =)
2015-02-24 19:18 <AliciaRaven> if its not back where am i? ahhh lol
2015-02-24 19:19 <AllenKerensky> you're on OSgr- not QUITE OSgrid, but close...
2015-02-24 19:20 <AliciaRaven> hehe thats good, i get lost easily :)
2015-02-24 20:23 <Arielle_> after jumping back home on the hypergrid to home, all my online contacts changed to unknownusers gunn. Not seen that  in a long time
2015-02-24 20:23 <Arielle_> back from wright 
2015-02-24 20:23 <nebadon> probably because WP was hung up
2015-02-24 20:23 <nebadon> it needs a kick
2015-02-24 20:24 <nebadon> im going to upgrade mono now, then in a bit i'll upgrade WP again 
2015-02-24 20:25 <Arielle_> let me know when it is back and i will test it  to see if similar results
2015-02-24 21:07 <nebadon> ok Wright Plaza is updated and on no mono
2015-02-24 21:07 <nebadon> for some reason we were using mono-boehm --server
2015-02-24 21:07 <BlueWall> yoko ono
2015-02-24 21:07 <nebadon> i think --server might have been the problem
2015-02-24 21:08 <nebadon> so should be back in biz there
2015-02-24 21:08 <nebadon> on mono 3.12
2015-02-24 21:09 <BlueWall> hmm I see mono-sgen --server OpenSim.exe in my process table
2015-02-24 21:10 <nebadon> ya sgen is the default
2015-02-24 21:10 <nebadon> if you want to run boehm you run mono-boehm
2015-02-24 21:11 <BlueWall> I'm calling it mono-sgen
2015-02-24 21:23 <BlueWall> heh, using the map locks the sim while it sorts out who's missing 
2015-02-24 21:26 <BlueWall> the sim kicked me - still blackisting regions
2015-02-24 21:27 <BlueWall> that sort of thing should never be able to bring the sim down.
2015-02-24 21:30 <nebadon> this is on your own region?
2015-02-24 21:30 <BlueWall> yes
2015-02-24 21:30 <nebadon> k
2015-02-24 21:30 <nebadon> ya the map i guess
2015-02-24 21:30 <nebadon> wierd it would down the region
2015-02-24 21:30 <nebadon> maybe that is what happened at WP too
2015-02-24 21:30 <BlueWall> you would see the console
2015-02-24 21:30 <nebadon> i saw a lot of yellow
2015-02-24 21:30 <BlueWall> blacklisting regions
2015-02-24 21:30 <nebadon> about blacklisting
2015-02-24 21:30 <nebadon> but it wasnt constant spew
2015-02-24 21:30 <BlueWall> yeah, that was it
2015-02-24 21:31 <BlueWall> the region is still running, but the map stuff took priority over servicing the avatar updates until it just timed out.
2015-02-24 21:31 <BlueWall> the viewer gave up before it could get an update.
2015-02-24 21:32 <BlueWall> 21:29:18 - [LLUDPSERVER]: No packets received from root agent of BlueWall Slade for 60000ms in BlueWall.  Disconnecting.
2015-02-24 21:33 <BlueWall> hundreds of these: 21:28:33 - [WORLD MAP]: Blacklisted http://barnsideos.dyndns.org:9370/MAP/MapItems/10998414815204608
2015-02-24 21:34 <BlueWall> 21:27:55 - [WATCHDOG]: 6136 ms since Watchdog last ran.  Interval should be approximately 2500 ms
2015-02-24 21:36 <nebadon> hmm ya not good
2015-02-24 21:36 <nebadon> something to look at for sure
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2015-02-25 01:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #4056 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-25 01:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4056: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4056/
2015-02-25 01:27 <osjenkins> dahlia: llLookAt(): use non-physical rotation if host prim is a physical attachment
2015-02-25 03:14 <AllenKerensky> OSgrid ONLINE http://news.osgrid.org/
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2015-02-25 05:12 <dahlia> diva: do you remember which files need to be deleted so the new plugin system will work in a upgraded installation?
2015-02-25 05:29 <dahlia> maybe it was addin-db-xxx
2015-02-25 11:05 <osmantis> Bug #7452:04 Profile lookup in viewers produce [LLCLIENTVIEW] exception 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7452 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-02-25 14:30 <osmantis> Bug #7453:04 Opensim APPLICATION EXCEPTION DETECTED 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7453 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-02-25 15:58 <osmantis> Bug #7451:04 FLOTSAM - Exception - cache file asset in use by another processs but this is impossible 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7451 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-25 16:05 <osmantis> Bug #7451:04 FLOTSAM - Exception - cache file asset in use by another processs but this is impossible 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7451 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-25 18:34 <osmantis> Bug #7454:04 Vivox Voice "Ghosting" on identical regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7454 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-02-25 18:38 <osmantis> Bug #7455:04 Event Recording Module records grid name incorrectly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7455 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-02-25 18:40 <osmantis> Bug #7455:04 Event Recording Module records grid name incorrectly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7455 ): has been CLOSED
2015-02-25 19:50 <osmantis> Bug #7454:04 Vivox Voice "Ghosting" on identical regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7454 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-25 19:53 <osmantis> Bug #7454:04 Vivox Voice "Ghosting" on identical regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7454 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-25 19:56 <osmantis> Bug #7454:04 Vivox Voice "Ghosting" on identical regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7454 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-25 20:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #4057 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-25 20:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4057: SUCCESS in 9 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4057/
2015-02-25 20:15 <osjenkins> jjustincc: On shutdown (job engine stop), don't allow the ObjectDisposedException on BlockingCollection.Take() to propogate if the running thread checked IsRunning before the stop thread set it and disposed of the canellation source.
2015-02-25 20:15 <osmantis> Bug #7453:04 Opensim APPLICATION EXCEPTION DETECTED 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7453 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-25 20:16 <osmantis> Bug #7453:04 Opensim APPLICATION EXCEPTION DETECTED 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7453 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-02-25 20:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #4058 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-25 20:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4058: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4058/
2015-02-25 20:35 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Reduce coupling in regression test task inventory creation methods to make them usable in tests with no scene present
2015-02-25 21:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #4059 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-25 21:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4059: SUCCESS in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4059/
2015-02-25 21:19 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix bug where the uuid gatherer was not inspecting UUIDs for items in an embedded object's inventory.
2015-02-25 21:29 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-25 21:33 <osmantis> Bug #7450:04 IAR Nested Scripts Missing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7450 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-02-25 21:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #4060 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-25 21:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4060: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4060/
2015-02-25 21:47 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: In HGAssetMapper, don't complain on seeing an XmlDeclaration as we know that we not using those in transformation.
2015-02-25 21:52 <osmantis> Bug #7447:04 Region reported can be incorrect in warning of form "Unrecognized node XmlDeclaration in asset XML transform in region" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7447 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-02-25 22:54 <osmantis> Bug #7453:04 Opensim APPLICATION EXCEPTION DETECTED 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7453 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-25 22:56 <nebadon> lkalif_ not sure if you will see this or not, but i was able to get Radegast running on my Raspberry Pi, logged into OSgrid with it even :)
2015-02-25 22:56 <nebadon> no 3D of course :) guess opengl 2.0 ES isnt enough to make it happy, viewer just poofs
2015-02-25 23:41 <osmantis> Bug #7453:04 Opensim APPLICATION EXCEPTION DETECTED 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7453 ): has been CLOSED
2015-02-26 00:03 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-26 00:04 <utyman> hello
2015-02-26 00:04 <utyman> may I ask anybody a question?
2015-02-26 00:04 <justincc> sure
2015-02-26 00:07 <utyman> here's the thing. I have this goal being a complete newbie concerning opensim. 1) Setting an opensim environment 2) Create a npc with a customized avatar 3) script the npc response to a certain action. Ex: When being addressed answer something 
2015-02-26 00:08 <utyman> I have been surfing through the wiki. I have set up the environment and downloaded the source code. Is there a guide of tutorials which I could follow to attain the goal
2015-02-26 00:08 <utyman> (sorry if this is not an appropriate question)
2015-02-26 00:09 <justincc> there's not really a tutorial.  The best thing would be to ask in the mailing list or somewhere like https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/116284417302234467612 if there isn't somebody here who would walk you through it
2015-02-26 00:10 <justincc> there are even people who do npc classes though I don't know a lot about that
2015-02-26 00:14 <utyman> thank you very much, justincc!
2015-02-26 00:15 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OSSLNPC
2015-02-26 00:15 <nebadon> that page is helpful for learning how to use NPC
2015-02-26 00:15 <nebadon> some example scripts
2015-02-26 00:16 <nebadon> some links at the bottom of page too
2015-02-26 00:16 <AllenKerensky> when getting started, its helpful to spend the time to go through each example script line by line and understand what that line does and why
2015-02-26 00:16 <AllenKerensky> make a copy of the script and just start adding comments to it as you examine each part
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2015-02-26 00:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #4061 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-26 00:51 <osmantis> Bug #7435:04 (0.8.1-rc1) Region crossing sometimes results in avatar 'trailing off' until an arrow key is pressed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7435 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-02-26 00:52 <osmantis> Bug #7435:04 (0.8.1-rc1) Region crossing sometimes results in avatar 'trailing off' until an arrow key is pressed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7435 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-26 00:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4061: SUCCESS in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4061/
2015-02-26 00:55 <osjenkins> jjustincc: When an avatar is walking across a region border, force the first AgentUpdate received on the new root agent to update movement parameters.
2015-02-26 03:23 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-26 04:02 <osmantis> Bug #7435:04 (0.8.1-rc1) Region crossing sometimes results in avatar 'trailing off' until an arrow key is pressed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7435 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-26 04:03 <osmantis> Bug #7435:04 (0.8.1-rc1) Region crossing sometimes results in avatar 'trailing off' until an arrow key is pressed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7435 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-02-26 04:10 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-02-26 06:29 <osmantis> Bug #7456:04 Group note generating exception - Note not sent [GROUPS HANDLER] - ROBUST 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7456 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-02-26 06:36 <osmantis> Bug #7456:04 Group note generating exception - Note not sent [GROUPS HANDLER] - ROBUST 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7456 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-26 08:28 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-26 08:38 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-26 13:42 <Taoki> Hi. I just compiled opensim from GIT with xbuild (opensuse 13.2 x64). If compiles fine, but soon after I start it up it crashes with this internal error: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=08pzZrzk
2015-02-26 13:42 <Taoki> Is it something from the opensim code which should be fixed in master perhaps? Or a configuration error (will wait for a reply in #opensim if such)?
2015-02-26 13:48 <Taoki> Full log: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=LX3TD6wz
2015-02-26 14:17 <Taoki> Trying out a fresh GIT clone. Apparently it crashes even sooner now. http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ZVsBXxEX
2015-02-26 15:32 <osmantis> Bug #7457:04 Crash while loading objects from region storage 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7457 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-02-26 15:33 <Taoki> ^ Reported my issue above, as I believe it is an OpenSim error. Someone please take a look when possible... I can't run my regions until this is fixed.
2015-02-26 15:37 <osmantis> Bug #6835:04 Incorrect movement direction when camera is tilted in 3rd person view 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6835 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-26 16:26 <osmantis> Bug #6835:04 Incorrect movement direction when camera is tilted in 3rd person view 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6835 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-26 19:35 <osmantis> Bug #7457:04 Crash while loading objects from region storage 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7457 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-26 19:49 <osmantis> Bug #7457:04 Crash while loading objects from region storage 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7457 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-26 20:19 <osmantis> Bug #7457:04 Crash while loading objects from region storage 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7457 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-26 20:34 <osmantis> Bug #7457:04 Crash while loading objects from region storage 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7457 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-26 20:37 <osmantis> Bug #7457:04 OpenSim randomly crashes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7457 ): has been UPDATED.
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2015-02-26 22:19 <paela> Hello, i'm need block the old rev opensim at my grid any have ideas for this please ?
2015-02-26 22:26 <MarcusLlewellyn> I don't think that's possible, paela. Usually it's either all open and wild, or all closed and controlled. In the former case, blocking at the network level is possible, but not by version.
2015-02-26 22:27 <paela> with a list of ip ?
2015-02-26 22:29 <MarcusLlewellyn> Sure. I don't recall OpenSim's services supporting IP blacklisting, but you can block with a firewall.
2015-02-26 22:33 <AliciaRaven> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Banning_Foreign_Users_in_Hypergrid
2015-02-26 22:33 <AliciaRaven> also i think you can specify grids to be blocked in opensim.ini
2015-02-26 22:34 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yeah, but I don't think those instructions are applicable to blocking simulator registration with open grid services. I assumed that's to what paela was referring.
2015-02-26 22:35 <AliciaRaven> oh ok, i didnt understand his question
2015-02-26 22:36 <paela> nop its ok for the hg  i'm just want block the grid for simulator registration :)
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2015-02-27 12:11 <osmantis> Bug #5538:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://hg.osgrid.org:80: The remote server returned an error: (404) Not Found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5538 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-27 12:18 <osmantis> Bug #7458:04 [PROFILES]: Problematic response for image_assets_request from http://profiles.osgrid.org/profile.php/ 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7458 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-02-27 12:23 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-02-27 13:34 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-27 15:46 <osmantis> Bug #7233:04 Warp 3d error on console Position beyond EOF 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7233 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-27 16:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #4062 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-27 16:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4062: FAILURE in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4062/
2015-02-27 16:28 <osjenkins> bluewall: Adding dynamic ossl permission control
2015-02-27 17:05 <osmantis> Bug #7454:04 Vivox Voice "Ghosting" on identical regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7454 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-27 17:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #4063 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4061 1 day 16 hr ago)
2015-02-27 17:33 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-02-27 17:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4063: FIXED in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4063/
2015-02-27 17:33 <osjenkins> bluewall: Revert "Adding dynamic ossl permission control"
2015-02-27 17:48 <justincc> Hi BlueWall
2015-02-27 17:48 <BlueWall> hey justincc how's it going?
2015-02-27 17:49 <BlueWall> do you see the fail on Jenkins for the ossl?
2015-02-27 17:49 <justincc> yes.  What problems are these functions looking to solve?
2015-02-27 17:50 <BlueWall> What we were discussing Tuesday at the offfice hour about being able to grant perms to npc for scripted attachments
2015-02-27 17:52 <justincc> this seems a much more generic mechanism though - one would end up being able to grant powers to any owner/creator/group
2015-02-27 17:53 <BlueWall> Well, yes. Additional permissions could be granted to other avatars/groups on the fly - then revoked
2015-02-27 17:53 <AliciaRaven> would it not be better to just give an npc the same powers as is creator with out having to grant perms?
2015-02-27 17:53 <justincc> yeah, that would be an alternative solution - in CheckThreatLevelTest see if the uuid is an NPC and if that NPC is owned, then use the owner's permissions
2015-02-27 17:53 <justincc> which would limit this to npcs
2015-02-27 17:54 <justincc> I have some security unease over a generic mechanism
2015-02-27 17:55 <BlueWall> It is threat level severe and can be enabled for a specific uuid or other at run time.
2015-02-27 17:56 <justincc> I would say granting to a creator is dangerous particularly in hypergrid situations - anybody could inject an object with any creator
2015-02-27 17:57 <justincc> if they are allowed to rez attachments
2015-02-27 17:59 <AliciaRaven> i never trust granting to creator, all it takes is for an admin to release a modable script and some one could just replace the lsl and do anything they want
2015-02-27 17:59 <BlueWall> Hmm, would they not have to knowwhat uuid have the ossl functions enabled to do that?
2015-02-27 18:00 <AliciaRaven> the admin of a grid is in most cases a well known thing, and the uuid is shown on their profile, very easy to work out
2015-02-27 18:00 <justincc> BlueWall: someone sees an NPC on a region with an attachment able to execute an OSSL command.  They find out that the script creator then use that information
2015-02-27 18:02 <BlueWall> I figure it is more secure than allowing blanket perms for npc.
2015-02-27 18:03 <justincc> but an npc will have the same perms as the person who created it
2015-02-27 18:03 <justincc> or owns it, perhaps more accurately
2015-02-27 18:03 <BlueWall> ownst, yes
2015-02-27 18:04 <justincc> I think granting to groups is also dangerous because it then spreads the ability to execute a function to a potentially large group of people, or even artbirary new people if someone leaves it open registration
2015-02-27 18:05 <dahlia> all ur npc are belong to us
2015-02-27 18:05 <justincc> that may be more arguable
2015-02-27 18:05 <BlueWall> If Allow is set for creator or group on startup, then you're stuck with it for the duration
2015-02-27 18:07 <BlueWall> if osGrantScriptPermissions/osRevokeScriptPermissions is available to only the region owner and is not available for the dynamic permissions, is that better?
2015-02-27 18:07 <justincc> urgh, that creator permission in config is equally dangerous for the same reasons....
2015-02-27 18:07 <BlueWall> but it's there
2015-02-27 18:07 <justincc> I would make a case that it should not be, but that's another issue
2015-02-27 18:08 <BlueWall> and if you allow it on startup, you're stuck with it instead of being able to dynamically use it.
2015-02-27 18:08 <justincc> I would say it shouldn't be allowed at all now
2015-02-27 18:08 <justincc> anyway
2015-02-27 18:09 <justincc> BlueWall: you mean estate manager rather than owner?
2015-02-27 18:09 <BlueWall> Hmm, so it's ok to have all of these options at run time, to be in force for the duration of the sim's runtime. But, not ok to have dynamic control over the perms?
2015-02-27 18:09 <AliciaRaven> in some cases the grant to creator is important, just for security it should be a non-mod script
2015-02-27 18:10 <BlueWall> yes justincc
2015-02-27 18:10 <justincc> BlueWall: no, I think the creators optino should be removed
2015-02-27 18:11 <AliciaRaven> justincc, if u remove that how would people create game scripts that use high threat level osl and allow players to use the scripts but not use the functions themselves?
2015-02-27 18:11 <BlueWall> AliciaRaven, that is what this is all about
2015-02-27 18:12 <BlueWall> but, rather than grant wide perms for the duratino of the runtime, you can dynamically control the perms.
2015-02-27 18:12 <BlueWall> >> Available to the users configured on startup.
2015-02-27 18:13 <AliciaRaven> yes but i would want a script i created to use the functions but if the user tried to use them in their own script, would be blocked
2015-02-27 18:13 <AliciaRaven> if they have to be granted perms to use my script, they would also have perms to use them in their own scripts
2015-02-27 18:14 <BlueWall> How wouild that work for closed 3rd party scripts that might be purchased?
2015-02-27 18:14 <BlueWall> (I know you can hack them - but for an ethical person)
2015-02-27 18:15 <AliciaRaven> thats what the creator perm does, it allows them to be used when sold or given to some one else, the only danger is if the script is modable
2015-02-27 18:15 <justincc> AliciaRaven: yes, but if anybody is allowed to rez an attachment, they can have the creator set to be the forbidden uuid
2015-02-27 18:16 <justincc> I don' t have an immediate good answer to the game scripts use case
2015-02-27 18:16 <BlueWall> So, hence the dynamic creator option w/o enabling it on startup and having it run the dureatino of the sim runtime
2015-02-27 18:17 <AliciaRaven> i see what justin is saying, but the only way to stop that is to seriously limit the system to a point where alot of curent use cases just wont work anymore
2015-02-27 18:18 <justincc> I wonder how the linden user experience works for this
2015-02-27 18:18 <justincc> BlueWall: True.  At the moment, the simulator operator has to change the config.  With a script function anybody with permission to run that script function could.  Maybe it's not so bad if that is limited to estate manager, I don't know
2015-02-27 18:20 <BlueWall> I think that is right - also those functions can be check so that the perms to allow permissions can not be expanded beyond what is in the startup configuration
2015-02-27 18:20 <AliciaRaven> justincc, would it be too much to have an extra parameter in the xml that is unique for each grid, works like a script pin kind of so if a script says its owned by a local user, the pin must match or its a fake
2015-02-27 18:21 <justincc> AliciaRaven: sounds fakable with any incoming hg object to me, just like creator id
2015-02-27 18:21 <justincc> BlueWall: also, your code has race conditions when changing m_dynaPerms
2015-02-27 18:22 <AliciaRaven> on transfer, set it to zero, then the object is known to be from outside the grid
2015-02-27 18:23 <justincc> and inserting that info into scene makes me very uncomfortable, though I know there are not good alternative locations.  I would say if it's done this way there perhaps should be some IScriptEngine mechanism
2015-02-27 18:23 <BlueWall> ++
2015-02-27 18:23 <justincc> BlueWall: also, your OSSL_Api.GetDynaPerms function checks creator twice instead of group
2015-02-27 18:24 <justincc> AliciaRaven: possibly.  Would need a grid id that doesn't yet exist though I think that would be a good thing to have
2015-02-27 18:24 <BlueWall> probably wil find a flaw or two, a lot of this was at 5:00am this morning @.@
2015-02-27 18:24 <BlueWall> ++
2015-02-27 18:25 <BlueWall> but those could be faked
2015-02-27 18:25 <justincc> BlueWall: I would like to see this stuff as a proposal on the mailing list first.  I hear what you're saying about it being safer because it's not in config, but I'm getting increasingly concerned about stuff that compromises security
2015-02-27 18:25 <justincc> or might possible, not does, sorry
2015-02-27 18:25 <BlueWall> we need a tld registrar & I want to be it
2015-02-27 18:26 <BlueWall> :9
2015-02-27 18:26 <BlueWall> I alreadu have the functions in the wiki
2015-02-27 18:26 <BlueWall> But, ok
2015-02-27 18:26 <justincc> thankyou
2015-02-27 18:27 <AliciaRaven> i gotta go, but plz justin dont remove creator permissions lol it would make so much good stuff impossible, there has to be another answer to make it secure
2015-02-27 18:28 <justincc> I wouldn't remove it without a mailing list discussion, unless there was a known extreme security exploit that had to be fixed without public discussion
2015-02-27 18:28 <justincc> and as creators has been around for ages and has to be actively set by the user, I don't think that would apply in this case
2015-02-27 18:28 <justincc> though it makes me very uneasy now
2015-02-27 18:29 <BlueWall> But, that is why we have the settings in the configuration file.
2015-02-27 18:29 <justincc> yeah, thuogh I don't think anybody appreciates the factor that setting a creator exposes them in ways they might not realize
2015-02-27 18:29 <BlueWall> People that need to do things can mostly find ways to manage risk to do the thnigs they need to do.
2015-02-27 18:29 <justincc> such as anybody with an attachment can run that function
2015-02-27 18:30 <BlueWall> Well, we are destined to create a Metaverse on the Hypergrid and we need to find ways to secure the functionality we need to make it worthwhile.
2015-02-27 18:31 <justincc> ++
2015-02-27 18:31 <justincc> I suspect if the web people saw the stuff on here they would vomit profusely
2015-02-27 18:31 <BlueWall> let them vomit
2015-02-27 18:31 <justincc> for good reason i think though
2015-02-27 18:31 <BlueWall> I want to take their traffic
2015-02-27 18:31 <BlueWall> :D
2015-02-27 18:32 <BlueWall> We have so many places to exploit, that this is allmost beside the point.
2015-02-27 18:33 <BlueWall> I will rework this to close some possibilites, push it to a branch on my github and send an email out to the lists about it.
2015-02-27 18:33 <justincc> And I think those places have to be tightened up wherever possible.  I don't want to go backwards.  At the very least, I want an awareness and explicit stating of the risks involved
2015-02-27 18:35 <BlueWall> It will be good to look at it and find really serious eploits and ways to fix them or document ways for users to work around them.
2015-02-27 18:37 <justincc> BlueWall: btw, at least some (possibly all) of the failing tests were because sometimes they create an instance of OSSL_Api with no item set, as it's not always required.  The easiest way around that would be to add null checks to ignore the cehcks if no item is set.
2015-02-27 18:37 <justincc> or you could check the part instead of the item
2015-02-27 18:40 <BlueWall> no host?
2015-02-27 18:40 <justincc> yeah, m_host will always exist
2015-02-27 18:42 <BlueWall> youre talking about in the test?
2015-02-27 18:43 <justincc> yes
2015-02-27 18:43 <BlueWall> ok, I'll have to look at that. the area ia a black hole for me.
2015-02-27 18:43 <BlueWall> hehe
2015-02-27 18:43 <justincc> you could aruge an item should always exist too, though that means going back through the tests themselves
2015-02-27 18:44 <justincc> who is rage btw?
2015-02-27 18:44 <BlueWall> I ahve thought about test for addon-modules, but I think you said that is about impossible.
2015-02-27 18:44 <BlueWall> client
2015-02-27 18:44 <justincc> test for addon-modules?
2015-02-27 18:44 <BlueWall> yes, for third party modules in the tmp codebase itself.
2015-02-27 18:45 <BlueWall> (TPM)
2015-02-27 18:45 <justincc> you shoudl be able to do m_host.CreatorID, instead of m_item.CreatorID, etc.
2015-02-27 18:46 <justincc> BlueWall: regression tests would be possible there but you would have to run them manually - the "nant test" target wouldn't pick them up
2015-02-27 18:46 <justincc> since it relies on them being hardcoded in .nant/local_include
2015-02-27 18:46 <BlueWall> hmm
2015-02-27 18:46 <justincc> arguably it would be better if that target simply scanned for any TestFixture in the DLLs, not just ones it is told about
2015-02-27 18:46 <BlueWall> is that somehting that we could patch Prebiuld.exe to do?
2015-02-27 18:48 <BlueWall> that is something I want to look at later. And I guess this will push me into learning about the tests once-and-for-all
2015-02-27 18:49 <justincc> BlueWall: I think doing it in prevuild itself would be a lot of work.  It might be possible to fiddle with the args in .nant/local_include to do it though a quick bit of experimentation isn't that encouraging
2015-02-27 18:49 <justincc> if you look in there, you'll see that atm, nant executes the nunit command individually for each known test dll
2015-02-27 18:49 <BlueWall> I can run them in monodevelop, or the command line tools for nunit
2015-02-27 18:50 <justincc> this is one of the reason's I still need nant - I'm not aware of any xbuild mechanism to perform arbitrary build tasks
2015-02-27 18:50 <justincc> yeah
2015-02-27 18:50 <BlueWall> so, I guess it's not nant specific.
2015-02-27 18:50 <justincc> yeah, nant is just triggering nunit with different dlls
2015-02-27 18:51 <BlueWall> I setup jenkins here (I should have used it before pushing) to run a test script in the shell
2015-02-27 18:51 <justincc> on opensimulator.org jenkins is configured to run the nant test target.  I still use that to run the tests locally
2015-02-27 18:53 <BlueWall> http://pastebin.com/pjCxdXqG
2015-02-27 18:55 <justincc> for some reason, a simple nunit-console *Tests.dll in bin/ just does a "Could not load file or assembly..." for me
2015-02-27 18:59 <BlueWall> let me see how I invokde it here
2015-02-27 18:59 <BlueWall> lord, my typing is going straight to hell
2015-02-27 19:10 <Taoki> Hi.
2015-02-27 19:11 <Taoki> I have been wondering about something for a while: Have the developers ever considered implementing a voxel system in OpenSim? Like I said several times, the current architecture behind Second Life is pretty outdated, and being stuck with simple hardcoded primitive shapes is one chapter where there are serious issues.
2015-02-27 19:11 <Taoki> Couldn't find much info on google though, so I assume not
2015-02-27 19:14 <nebadon> Taoki that would be primarily viewer mods
2015-02-27 19:14 <nebadon> probably beyond the scope of most of the opensim devs abilities and interest at this point, i suspect if someone did do that
2015-02-27 19:14 <Taoki> That too. Still, can OpenSim store an object containing numerous voxel points, and handle such? If a viewer was to properly support them
2015-02-27 19:14 <nebadon> it would likely have to be a fork
2015-02-27 19:15 <nebadon> it would probably break opensim for a long time
2015-02-27 19:15 <Taoki> ah
2015-02-27 19:16 <AllenKerensky> there was a voxelsim effort years ago
2015-02-27 19:17 <AllenKerensky> it didn't get very far past proof of concept
2015-02-27 19:17 <AllenKerensky> but the git repo is still out there to look at
2015-02-27 19:17 <nebadon> was there viewer mods?
2015-02-27 19:18 <AllenKerensky> no idea
2015-02-27 19:18 <AllenKerensky> I just remember it and saw the git repo at one point
2015-02-27 19:19 <BlueWall> nebadon, I put in the ossl dynamic perms to empower npc ... shot down like a drumk cowboy
2015-02-27 19:19 <AllenKerensky> https://github.com/N3X15/VoxelSim
2015-02-27 19:22 <nebadon> heh I saw that
2015-02-27 19:22 <nebadon> any idea whats going on
2015-02-27 19:22 <nebadon> the TL;DR
2015-02-27 19:22 <nebadon> lol
2015-02-27 19:22 <BlueWall> I'll have to talk it up on the ML 
2015-02-27 19:23 <nebadon> kk well thanks for trying
2015-02-27 19:23 <nebadon> much appreciated
2015-02-27 19:23 <MarcusLlewellyn> haxors powning your scripts
2015-02-27 19:23 <BlueWall> I'll push it to my github for testing
2015-02-27 19:23 <justincc> I'm not shooting BlueWall for no reason - I just really want to be careful of security stuff going forward and I think that kind of things needs an ml discussion
2015-02-27 19:23 <BlueWall> --vs-- users not being able to enjoy your scripts :)
2015-02-27 19:24 <BlueWall> lol, justincc, I'm poking you a little bit ...
2015-02-27 19:24 <justincc> yeah sorry - I honestly don't like arguing with people :)
2015-02-27 19:24 <justincc> my OCD forces it 
2015-02-27 19:24 <BlueWall> It is good that it hits a lot of eyes and get holes closed.
2015-02-27 19:24 <BlueWall> That is why we have a team, thanks.
2015-02-27 19:27 <BlueWall> justincc, do you know if WORKSPACE is set in the env where you ran the script?
2015-02-27 19:28 <BlueWall> Jenkins just calls the script here: /team/bin/jenkins_test
2015-02-27 19:28 <justincc> I didn't run your script, I just ran the nunit-console command in bin/
2015-02-27 19:28 <justincc> I see you have a list of excludes now...
2015-02-27 19:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #4064 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2015-02-27 19:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4064: SUCCESS in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4064/
2015-02-27 19:49 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Don't slide crouching avatar when camera is panned around them with left mouse button
2015-02-27 21:40 <osmantis> Bug #5538:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://hg.osgrid.org:80: The remote server returned an error: (404) Not Found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5538 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-02-27 21:41 <osmantis> Bug #5538:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://xassets.osgrid.org/helo/ or http://hg.osgrid.org:80: The remote server  14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5538 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-02-27 21:42 <osmantis> Bug #5538:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://xassets.osgrid.org/helo/ or http://hg.osgrid.org:80: ...(404) Not Found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5538 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-02-27 21:54 <osmantis> Bug #5538:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://xassets.osgrid.org/helo/ or http://hg.osgrid.org:80: ...(404) Not Found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5538 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-27 22:12 <LiruCookies> Where does the WearableType get read and sent to the inventory in opensim?
2015-02-27 23:33 <justincc> LiruCookies: post the udp stack, the handling beings in LLClientView.HandleCreateInventoryItem()
2015-02-27 23:33 <justincc> and ends up at InventoryAccessModule.CreateNewInventoryItem()
2015-02-27 23:34 <justincc> the pont of triggering to the inventory service is down in Scene.Inventory.AddInventoryItem()
2015-02-27 23:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #4065 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-27 23:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4065: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4065/
2015-02-27 23:47 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Don't slow down avatar walk speed if camera is changed (e.g. by holding down lmb on an avatar and moving the mouse).
2015-02-27 23:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #4066 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-27 23:50 <LiruCookies> justincc: is that where library wearables are created?
2015-02-27 23:52 <justincc> no, that's in LibraryService, the important part begining from ReadLibraryFromConfig()
2015-02-27 23:53 <justincc> ReadItemFromConfig() is the meat.  The data is pulled from bin/inventory/
2015-02-27 23:53 <justincc> at the moment, the library is loaded independently in each simulator, with is a pita
2015-02-27 23:53 <LiruCookies> Is there a place in those config files where wearable type can be specified? I'm debugging invalid wearable types (server claims things that aren't are shapes) in the library
2015-02-27 23:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4066: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4066/
2015-02-27 23:53 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Comment out now unused and not properly working private SP.m_leftButtonDown with a comment on how probably to implement it properly if it is needed in the future
2015-02-27 23:54 <dahlia> isnt that used in scripts? touch() event?
2015-02-27 23:56 <justincc> LiruCookies: do we have any wearables in the default library  I'm looking but they are commented out
2015-02-27 23:56 <osmantis> Bug #5538:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://xassets.osgrid.org/helo/ or http://hg.osgrid.org:80: ...(404) Not Found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5538 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-27 23:57 <LiruCookies> justincc: I'm not sure.
2015-02-27 23:57 <osmantis> Bug #5538:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://xassets.osgrid.org/helo/ or http://hg.osgrid.org:80: ...(404) Not Found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5538 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-27 23:57 <LiruCookies> justincc: Really should have the Test Male/Female though.
2015-02-27 23:58 <justincc> LiruCookies: looking at the code, the items are missing wearables information in the xml so they would all default to 0.  However, the obvious candidates I'm looking at are all commented out.  Let me fire up an instance quickly
2015-02-27 23:58 <LiruCookies> People often rely on that when clouded.
2015-02-27 23:58 <justincc> ruth?
2015-02-27 23:58 <LiruCookies> Yes
2015-02-27 23:58 <justincc> the ruth is being set by hardcoded wearable types in UserAccountService.CreateDefaultAppearanceEntries()
2015-02-27 23:58 <justincc> but the items have no library instances
2015-02-28 00:01 <osmantis> Bug #5538:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://xassets.osgrid.org/helo/ or http://hg.osgrid.org:80: ...(404) Not Found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5538 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-28 00:06 <osmantis> Bug #5538:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://xassets.osgrid.org/helo/ or http://hg.osgrid.org:80: ...(404) Not Found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5538 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-28 00:10 <osmantis> Bug #5538:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://xassets.osgrid.org/helo/ or http://hg.osgrid.org:80: ...(404) Not Found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5538 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-28 00:12 <osmantis> Bug #6835:04 Incorrect movement direction when camera is tilted in 3rd person view 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6835 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-02-28 00:18 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-28 00:21 <osmantis> Bug #6960:04 state_entry() can be executed multiple times for a single state transition 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6960 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-02-28 00:32 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-28 00:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #4067 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-28 00:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4067: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4067/
2015-02-28 00:39 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Permit loading of LLRAW files bigger than 256x256 by calculating size based on file size rather than assuming 256x256, same as for RAW32.
2015-02-28 00:39 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Add OpenSim.Framework using statement necessary to get previous fad4d4dc to compile.
2015-02-28 00:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #4068 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-28 00:43 <osmantis> Bug #7415:04 Var region can not load .raw (LLRAW) terrains bigger than 256x256 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7415 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-02-28 00:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4068: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4068/
2015-02-28 00:43 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add Magnuz Binder to CONTRIBUTORS
2015-02-28 00:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #4069 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-28 00:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4069: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4069/
2015-02-28 00:48 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Use using constructs on disposable io objects in LLRaw to ensure they are always closed even if an exception is thrown.
2015-02-28 00:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #4070 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-28 00:53 <osmantis> Bug #7356:04 llGetPrimitiveParams returns transparency instead of alpha for PRIM_TEXT 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7356 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-02-28 00:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4070: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4070/
2015-02-28 00:53 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Correct PRIM_TEXT return value from trans to alpha.
2015-02-28 00:54 <Ken_S> Go Justincc go!!!
2015-02-28 00:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #4071 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-02-28 00:55 <justincc> Ken_S: finally getting some time to apply patches.  I really need to prioritize these better
2015-02-28 00:55 <justincc> and about to run out for today
2015-02-28 00:56 <Ken_S> We are always grateful for everything you and all the other do to help this project :)
2015-02-28 00:56 <justincc> thanks Ken_S
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2015-02-28 00:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4071: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4071/
2015-02-28 00:59 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Remove mono compiler warnings from EstateDataConnector
2015-02-28 01:00 <justincc> alright, I need to rest.  Goodnight folksq
2015-02-28 01:01 <LiruCookies> Ooops
2015-02-28 01:01 <LiruCookies> Did that paste here?
2015-02-28 01:01 <LiruCookies> That mess of characters is something I meant to paste on another screen.
2015-02-28 01:08 <nebadon> :) no worries atleast you didnt get kicked or k-lined :)
2015-02-28 01:36 <LiruCookies> longstanding registered nick, doubt I'd get k-lined.
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2015-02-28 06:13 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-02-28 06:18 <osmantis> Bug #7233:04 Warp 3d error on console Position beyond EOF 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7233 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-02-28 17:52 <osmantis> Bug #5538:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://xassets.osgrid.org/helo/ or http://hg.osgrid.org:80: ...(404) Not Found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5538 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-28 18:20 <osmantis> Bug #5538:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://xassets.osgrid.org/helo/ or http://hg.osgrid.org:80: ...(404) Not Found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5538 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-28 18:47 <osmantis> Bug #5538:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://xassets.osgrid.org/helo/ or http://hg.osgrid.org:80: ...(404) Not Found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5538 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-28 19:47 <CrasherRob1> Hi all, just upgraded from 1/17 to the 2/21 osgrid website download version. A little bit of wierdness: fcache assets now completes much more quickly and reports completed check with fewer (like 14 instead of 2-3 thousand) assets. I don't see anything obvious missing, though.
2015-02-28 19:48 <osmantis> Bug #5538:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://xassets.osgrid.org/helo/ or http://hg.osgrid.org:80: ...(404) Not Found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5538 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-28 19:57 <osmantis> Bug #7458:04 [PROFILES]: Problematic response for image_assets_request from http://profiles.osgrid.org/profile.php/ 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7458 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-28 20:02 <osmantis> Bug #7458:04 [PROFILES]: Problematic response for image_assets_request from http://profiles.osgrid.org/profile.php/ 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7458 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-02-28 20:33 <osmantis> Bug #5538:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://xassets.osgrid.org/helo/ or http://hg.osgrid.org:80: ...(404) Not Found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5538 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-28 20:48 <osmantis> Bug #5538:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://xassets.osgrid.org/helo/ or http://hg.osgrid.org:80: ...(404) Not Found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5538 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-28 20:49 <osmantis> Bug #7458:04 [PROFILES]: Problematic response for image_assets_request from http://profiles.osgrid.org/profile.php/ 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7458 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-28 20:51 <osmantis> Bug #5538:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://xassets.osgrid.org/helo/ or http://hg.osgrid.org:80: ...(404) Not Found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5538 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-28 21:06 <osmantis> Bug #5538:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://xassets.osgrid.org/helo/ or http://hg.osgrid.org:80: ...(404) Not Found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5538 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-28 22:13 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious region teleport failure issues, sim and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-02-28 22:55 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between adjoining var regions often causes long viewer freeze or crash. Flying across borders sometimes crashes also. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-02-28 22:56 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports away from loaded var region often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-02-28 23:02 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports away from loaded var region often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-01 00:29 <AliciaRaven> BlueWall, if you are about i had an idea about the script problem justin brought up yesterday, might also work for what u were wanting to do
2015-03-01 00:41 <osmantis> Bug #7460:04 getting can not find assets on the stuff from Wright Plaza 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7460 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-01 00:44 <BlueWall> Hi AliciaRaven
2015-03-01 00:44 <AliciaRaven> hi BlueWall
2015-03-01 00:45 <AliciaRaven> i posted a private mantis about it, would u be able to add your opinion when u have time?
2015-03-01 00:45 <BlueWall> ok, I'll have a look
2015-03-01 00:45 <AliciaRaven> its basicaly to add a more secure way of using the creator perms for ossl, but i think it could do what u needed aswell
2015-03-01 00:45 <AliciaRaven> thanks
2015-03-01 00:47 <BlueWall> We have a pretty good matrix of security built around the in-world things - who can run scripts, where, etc.
2015-03-01 00:49 <AliciaRaven> true, but there are cases where the ossl functions need to be used in scripts created by admins but given to general users, and creator perms are the only way. as justin pointed out that can be a hole in security
2015-03-01 00:50 <BlueWall> What are the holes?
2015-03-01 00:51 <AliciaRaven> points 1 and 2 in the mantis
2015-03-01 00:52 <AliciaRaven> first one is what justin said made him feel uneasy, second is how i think it could be misused
2015-03-01 00:54 <BlueWall> I think there is nothing wrong with what I submitted, other than it can be filtered somewhat.
2015-03-01 00:55 <AliciaRaven> true, but it dosnt fix the issue with creator perms, separate thing really i just thought this would work for both cases
2015-03-01 00:56 <BlueWall> I would rather start the sim with the vlowers threat level and grant perms as needed with the opportunity to revoke them - even for running scripts than to set levels and choose what is needed for the duration of the simulator runtime.
2015-03-01 00:56 <BlueWall> also not everyone has access to their region's console.
2015-03-01 00:57 <BlueWall> Well, some chyptographic hash of the script would be a secure way to verify it.
2015-03-01 00:58 <AliciaRaven> i think it would be better to add them per script, rather than for the user to use in any script
2015-03-01 00:58 <BlueWall> Only estate managers can set the perms
2015-03-01 00:59 <BlueWall> you may want members of a group to run certain scripts - but not all.
2015-03-01 01:00 <BlueWall> you could select who/when/where on the spot. 
2015-03-01 01:00 <AliciaRaven> but my point is your method doesnt fix the need for having creator permissions
2015-03-01 01:00 <BlueWall> It doesn't inject it either.
2015-03-01 01:02 <BlueWall> I agree with what you are saying, that we should be able to secure them.
2015-03-01 01:02 <AliciaRaven> no, what im saying is that my idea is not connected to what you were doing, its separate, i just thought it might work for both problems
2015-03-01 01:02 <BlueWall> Yes, but that seems to be the big block.
2015-03-01 01:02 <AliciaRaven> my idea is basicaly a more secure way of doing what can only be done at the moment by using the creator perms
2015-03-01 01:02 <BlueWall> ++
2015-03-01 01:03 <AliciaRaven> i want to be able to write a script, use high threatlevel calls and then be able to give that to any user, with out having to allow them use of those functions in their own scripts
2015-03-01 01:04 <BlueWall> What we should do is look at placing a hash of the script in the prim.
2015-03-01 01:05 <BlueWall> they could still screw with the uuid in the script.
2015-03-01 01:05 <BlueWall> or the script, and leave the uuid
2015-03-01 01:05 <AliciaRaven> but in justins case, the uuid can still be changed
2015-03-01 01:06 <BlueWall> but if there is a signed hash accessible to the sim, it could check that.
2015-03-01 01:06 <BlueWall> either way
2015-03-01 01:06 <BlueWall> you have to hash everything that you can about it, sign it, then check it before it is run.
2015-03-01 01:07 <BlueWall> lol, might be easier to just sign the binaries and put them in the prim or something.
2015-03-01 01:07 <AliciaRaven> but what would the hash do? how would it know that script was allowed to use those functions?
2015-03-01 01:08 <AliciaRaven> unless the creator uuid was included when generating the hash
2015-03-01 01:08 <BlueWall> if it is a hash of that particular script, nothing in that script chan change, else the hash changes.
2015-03-01 01:08 <BlueWall> you can included what ever you like.
2015-03-01 01:09 <BlueWall> if any thing changes when it is rezzed, then that hash will show
2015-03-01 01:09 <BlueWall> that is why I hate that we accept the use of the r/xxxxxxxx tags 
2015-03-01 01:09 <AliciaRaven> yes but how does that link that script to the creator and therefor know what functions can be used
2015-03-01 01:09 <BlueWall> that hash is built in security.
2015-03-01 01:09 <BlueWall> you can delete/change tags on a whim.
2015-03-01 01:10 <BlueWall> creator has uuid, right?
2015-03-01 01:10 <AliciaRaven> yes, ah so the hash will be the whole xml not just the script
2015-03-01 01:10 <BlueWall> they have uri associated with their session
2015-03-01 01:11 <BlueWall> I know they change uuid in the assets when you make a change and save it.
2015-03-01 01:11 <BlueWall> I have never really looked a lot further.
2015-03-01 01:12 <BlueWall> But, I guess that all this hacking would leave a trail
2015-03-01 01:12 <AliciaRaven> so if they do try and change the uuid, the hash would change, but there needs to be a new way to store the hash info
2015-03-01 01:12 <BlueWall> right
2015-03-01 01:13 <BlueWall> I mean, will these scripts be inside a no-mod item?
2015-03-01 01:13 <AliciaRaven> every time a script is changed its hash info would have to be relaced also
2015-03-01 01:13 <BlueWall> yes it would.
2015-03-01 01:13 <BlueWall> any changes with void the hash
2015-03-01 01:13 <BlueWall> *will*
2015-03-01 01:13 <AliciaRaven> sounds like alot more work for the sim tho
2015-03-01 01:14 <AliciaRaven> also when scripts are deleted keeping track and cleaning up
2015-03-01 01:14 <BlueWall> the perms checking now goes through a good bit for each function :)
2015-03-01 01:15 <AliciaRaven> the hash info would be a link between hash and its creator uuid so that it can verify the perms?
2015-03-01 01:16 <BlueWall> are you passing these scripts out, or do they ride in a prim?
2015-03-01 01:16 <AliciaRaven> well it would need to work for all scripts wouldnt it?
2015-03-01 01:17 <BlueWall> I wouldn't give a script out that people could see if it needed that much protection.
2015-03-01 01:18 <AliciaRaven> no, but even if they can see the scripts, they wouldnt see the hash
2015-03-01 01:18 <BlueWall> yes, but what if they changes something and render it useless?
2015-03-01 01:19 <AliciaRaven> ok well then the hash should just be creator uuid + script so any other changes wont affect it
2015-03-01 01:19 <BlueWall> you couldn't really give a full perm script out like that.
2015-03-01 01:20 <BlueWall> perms mean nothing in an open grid though.
2015-03-01 01:20 <AliciaRaven> wouldnt matter because they wouldnt be able to use the osl functions outside that script
2015-03-01 01:21 <AliciaRaven> all that is needed is a way to know if a script was created by who it says it is, then creator perms can be secure, dosnt matter if they can see the script or not
2015-03-01 01:22 <BlueWall> If they can see it, they can modify it.
2015-03-01 01:22 <AliciaRaven> yes, which breaks the hash meaning the ossl functions will fail the creator checks
2015-03-01 01:22 <BlueWall> yes
2015-03-01 01:23 <BlueWall> I have no idea if they get new asset numbers when they are rezzed. I am gessing no.
2015-03-01 01:24 <AliciaRaven> so why does it matter if they can see it or not? if they change it, it breaks so is safe
2015-03-01 01:24 <BlueWall> Prims do, but I think scripts, like textures would not.
2015-03-01 01:24 <AliciaRaven> not sure
2015-03-01 01:24 <BlueWall> yes.
2015-03-01 01:25 <BlueWall> if they keep the asset id, then you could check that 
2015-03-01 01:25 <BlueWall> the hashes.
2015-03-01 01:25 <BlueWall> I'm guessing.
2015-03-01 01:25 <AliciaRaven> yes, because that will also change if the script is edited
2015-03-01 01:26 <BlueWall> even so, if they were able to hacke it and force the asset id to stay the same, the hash would give them away.
2015-03-01 01:32 <AliciaRaven> the hash couldnt be saved with the xml tho because if the hacker knows how its generated, they can generate a hash that would pass the test lol
2015-03-01 01:33 <BlueWall> it would be real time
2015-03-01 01:33 <AliciaRaven> yes but what would it be compared with
2015-03-01 01:35 <BlueWall> If they are HG, then I think they would get a new id
2015-03-01 01:37 <BlueWall> but, if they change the script from the original, then it has a new hash.
2015-03-01 01:38 <BlueWall> so, the original one, and the Hg incoming one would have the same hash, checking the contents 
2015-03-01 01:39 <BlueWall> so, do you keep a directory of hashes/creators that can run there?
2015-03-01 01:39 <BlueWall> creator matches & hash matches == ok
2015-03-01 01:40 <BlueWall> so, ok, means give this script any perms that have been granted to that hash/creator pair?
2015-03-01 01:42 <AliciaRaven> where would u save the hash values to compare a new script with? db table?
2015-03-01 01:43 <BlueWall> could
2015-03-01 01:43 <AliciaRaven> would be hard to clean up dead entrys, every time a script is saved it would get a new entry
2015-03-01 01:44 <BlueWall> you wouldn't create the entry until you were finished.
2015-03-01 01:44 <AliciaRaven> so how would u do that?
2015-03-01 01:44 <BlueWall> but, like the assets - you would never be able to dispose of them as long as you have outstanding validated scripts
2015-03-01 01:45 <BlueWall> I guess at some level you have to look at the cost, etc. and see if there are other ways.
2015-03-01 01:45 <BlueWall> if they are objects, it might be easier to secure them
2015-03-01 01:46 <BlueWall> but, expecting to be able to give a person a full perm script and let them run it is a lot to ask
2015-03-01 01:47 <AliciaRaven> if there was a secret key for each grid, the hash could be saved in the prims xml, then when a script is run, it computes the hash and checks against that
2015-03-01 01:47 <BlueWall> who keeps that list and how much do they charge? Verisign?
2015-03-01 01:48 <AliciaRaven> lol hash was ur idea
2015-03-01 01:48 <BlueWall> well, you can't really do it any other way
2015-03-01 01:48 <BlueWall> I think,
2015-03-01 01:49 <BlueWall> I guess we need to look at exactly what needs to be done and where the line coul dbe drawn.
2015-03-01 01:49 <AliciaRaven> my idea was simple, but cant be used for full perm, else they would see the key in the script
2015-03-01 01:49 <BlueWall> if these are objects, thjen it would be easier.
2015-03-01 01:50 <BlueWall> well, if they take it to their Hg, then login to the asset database update asset **********
2015-03-01 01:50 <BlueWall> replace the text with another and boom
2015-03-01 01:50 <BlueWall> asm I right in thinking that?
2015-03-01 01:51 <AliciaRaven> yea they could get the key from the script that way, so i guess its also vulnerable to justins worry about the current system
2015-03-01 01:52 <BlueWall> I guess there are holes all around, and many will get bitten because they don't do their homework ...
2015-03-01 01:52 <BlueWall> but, that doesn't mean that we all have to ride the short bus.
2015-03-01 01:52 <AliciaRaven> for myself tho i wasnt planning on using them for full perm or hg exportable scripts
2015-03-01 01:52 <AliciaRaven> just in grid closed scripts so people can run the functions in that script but still not use them in their own scripts
2015-03-01 01:53 <BlueWall> you could run your own scripts in ther objects when you want
2015-03-01 01:53 <BlueWall> 0.0
2015-03-01 01:53 <BlueWall> if you are the creator.
2015-03-01 01:54 <AliciaRaven> yea, thats the point tho, the creator can be faked lol
2015-03-01 01:54 <BlueWall> or if the creator makes arrangements  with you.
2015-03-01 01:54 <BlueWall> not in this case
2015-03-01 01:54 <BlueWall> you hold the script
2015-03-01 01:54 <BlueWall> they never have access to it.
2015-03-01 01:55 <BlueWall> you run it in their object and destroy it when it is done.
2015-03-01 01:55 <AliciaRaven> would only work for a one use object, not a game hud etc
2015-03-01 01:55 <BlueWall> hahah
2015-03-01 01:56 <BlueWall> 0.0
2015-03-01 01:56 <AliciaRaven> my head hurts lol
2015-03-01 01:56 <BlueWall> it would work 
2015-03-01 03:34 <AllenKerensky> OSgrid logins temporarily closed for maintenance http://news.osgrid.org
2015-03-01 05:35 <osmantis> Bug #7460:04 getting can not find assets on the stuff from Wright Plaza 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7460 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-01 05:39 <osmantis> Bug #7460:04 getting can not find assets on the stuff from Wright Plaza 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7460 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-01 06:59 <osmantis> Bug #7461:04 proposal: add option to disable, connecting neighbor regions when open map... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7461 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-01 07:05 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-01 07:41 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-01 11:15 <osmantis> Bug #7461:04 proposal: add option to disable, connecting neighbor regions when open map... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7461 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-01 11:28 <osmantis> Bug #5337:04 Hypergrid visitor shows as Unknown User in chat and for object properties even when labelled correctly in viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5337 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-01 11:38 <osmantis> Bug #5538:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://xassets.osgrid.org/helo/ or http://hg.osgrid.org:80: ...(404) Not Found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5538 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-01 11:54 <osmantis> Bug #7461:04 proposal: add option to disable, connecting neighbor regions when open map... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7461 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-01 14:24 <frnic> I see the unknown user is back, I noticed it last night as I was out and about on HG.
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2015-03-01 16:58 <smxy> I've been noticing it too.
2015-03-01 17:04 <quill> can anyone tell me how profileWantToMask in mysql i calculated ? I want to decode this for web profiles
2015-03-01 17:32 <Plugh> They will be bit fields. I dont recall if I ever checked out what bits go with which options. It would be easy to work it out.
2015-03-01 17:33 <Plugh> Set one feature at a time and see which bit gets set.
2015-03-01 17:45 <quill> ok thank you i will try that
2015-03-01 17:55 <Plugh> quill: I just had a couple of thoughts. The bit field will be documented in the viewer source code.
2015-03-01 17:56 <Plugh> The other thing is to check if it was already documented in the wiki in the section about the structure of the database.
2015-03-01 18:03 <Plugh> quill: If you work it out, the information can be added to the wiki page at http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Users
2015-03-01 18:03 <quill> i wii add what i find out
2015-03-01 18:07 <Plugh> If my main machine was running I could have dug through the viewer source for you as I have copies of the sources for a couple of viewers
2015-03-01 18:20 <Plugh> quill: A few profile related flags can be seen here -> https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse/blob/master/OpenMetaverse/Avatar.cs
2015-03-01 19:02 <Plugh> quill: The following two files should help you -> https://github.com/singularity-viewer/SingularityViewer/blob/master/indra/newview/llpanelavatar.cpp and https://github.com/singularity-viewer/SingularityViewer/blob/eff4bc7ad61cdaffef715d730a2f22c9755dae41/indra/newview/skins/default/xui/en-us/panel_avatar.xml
2015-03-01 19:04 <Plugh> quill: Bits 0 and going up are (AFAICT), Build, Explore, Meet, Group, Buy, Sell, Be Hired, and Hire
2015-03-01 19:06 <Plugh> quill: For Skills, starting with bit 0, they would be Textures, Architecture, Event Planning, Modeling, Scripting, and Custom Characters
2015-03-01 19:17 <AllenKerensky> OSgrid logins reopen http://news.osgrid.org/
2015-03-01 19:23 <Plugh> quill: I've updated the wiki page at http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Database:Users which you can update if you find the order of the bit fields is not as documented.
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2015-03-02 01:39 <osmantis> Bug #5538:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://xassets.osgrid.org/helo/ or http://hg.osgrid.org:80: ...(404) Not Found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5538 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-02 01:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #4072 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-02 02:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4072: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4072/
2015-03-02 02:02 <osjenkins> bluewall: Handle kick user from estate management tools
2015-03-02 04:05 <smxy> BlueWall: Thanks for that. :)
2015-03-02 04:06 <BlueWall> yw
2015-03-02 13:23 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-02 14:13 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-02 16:58 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2015-03-02 16:59 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-02 18:43 <osmantis> Bug #7461:04 proposal: add option to disable, connecting neighbor regions when open map... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7461 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-02 19:51 <osmantis> Bug #7462:04 Changing default starting point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7462 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-02 20:18 <osmantis> Bug #7463:04 Mono and .NET set the default TTL for sockets to 32 [prevents some intercontinental connections] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7463 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-02 20:20 <osmantis> Bug #7463:04 Mono and .NET set the default TTL for sockets to 32 [prevents some intercontinental connections] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7463 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-02 20:48 <osmantis> Bug #7464:04 notecard parser and osMakeNotecard do not handle all notecard variants correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7464 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-02 20:49 <osmantis> Bug #7464:04 notecard parser and osMakeNotecard do not handle all notecard variants correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7464 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-02 20:51 <osmantis> Bug #7465:04 llResetScript does not process any reset when in default.state_entry() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7465 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-02 20:51 <osmantis> Bug #7465:04 llResetScript does not process any reset when in default.state_entry() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7465 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-02 20:53 <osmantis> Bug #7466:04 giving an inventory folder to another user does not work for HG visitor in foreign grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7466 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-02 20:53 <osmantis> Bug #7466:04 giving an inventory folder to another user does not work for HG visitor in foreign grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7466 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-02 20:54 <osmantis> Bug #7467:04 Npc movement borken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7467 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-02 20:55 <osmantis> Bug #7467:04 Npc movement broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7467 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-02 20:55 <osmantis> Bug #7468:04 porting newer full perm scripts from SL fails due to differences in memory limits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7468 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-02 20:56 <osmantis> Bug #7468:04 porting newer full perm scripts from SL fails due to differences in memory limits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7468 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-02 20:59 <osmantis> Bug #7469:04 new llGetEnv() implementation improves porting scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7469 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-02 20:59 <osmantis> Bug #7469:04 new llGetEnv() implementation improves porting scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7469 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-02 21:00 <osmantis> Bug #7466:04 giving an inventory folder to another user does not work for HG visitor in foreign grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7466 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-03-02 21:07 <osmantis> Bug #7470:04 corrected handling when XML parsing in presence connector fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7470 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-02 21:07 <osmantis> Bug #7466:04 giving an inventory folder to another user does not work for HG visitor in foreign grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7466 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-02 21:08 <osmantis> Bug #7470:04 corrected handling when XML parsing in presence connector fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7470 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-02 21:16 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-02 21:17 <osmantis> Bug #7463:04 Mono and .NET set the default TTL for sockets to 32 [prevents some intercontinental connections] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7463 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-02 21:34 <osmantis> Bug #7471:04 FetchInventoryDescendents should report bad_folders for non-existing folders 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7471 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-02 21:34 <osmantis> Bug #7471:04 FetchInventoryDescendents should report bad_folders for non-existing folders 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7471 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-02 21:34 <osmantis> Bug #7471:04 FetchInventoryDescendents should report bad_folders for non-existing folders 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7471 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-02 21:40 <osmantis> Bug #7471:04 FetchInventoryDescendents should report bad_folders for non-existing folders 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7471 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-02 21:45 <osmantis> Bug #7466:04 giving an inventory folder to another user does not work for HG visitor in foreign grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7466 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-02 22:03 <osmantis> Bug #7466:04 giving an inventory folder to another user does not work for HG visitor in foreign grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7466 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-02 22:10 <osmantis> Bug #7466:04 giving an inventory folder to another user does not work for HG visitor in foreign grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7466 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-02 22:17 <osmantis> Bug #7466:04 giving an inventory folder to another user does not work for HG visitor in foreign grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7466 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-02 22:19 <osmantis> Bug #7466:04 giving an inventory folder to another user does not work for HG visitor in foreign grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7466 ): has been CLOSED
2015-03-02 22:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #4073 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-02 22:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4073: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4073/
2015-03-02 22:25 <osjenkins> * bluewall: added missing senderId in GiveInventoryFolder this little mistake prevented passing on folders for HG visitors
2015-03-02 22:25 <osjenkins> * bluewall: Add FreakyTech to CONTRIBUTORS.txt
2015-03-02 22:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #4074 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-02 22:31 <osmantis> Bug #7465:04 llResetScript should not process any reset when in default.state_entry() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7465 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-02 22:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4074: SUCCESS in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4074/
2015-03-02 22:41 <NickyP> on the viewer side avatar_lad.xml describes the skeleton. What file and where is that describes the skeleton on the server side?
2015-03-02 22:52 <MarcusLlewellyn> I could be mistaken, but I don't think the server ever does. The closes it comes to dealing with the skeleton are some default animation assets.
2015-03-02 22:53 <MarcusLlewellyn> There's some appearance parameters, of course, that have an effect on some bones but those are in the code itself.
2015-03-02 22:57 <NickyP> ok thanks there appears to be communication about bones not sure where that comes in to play
2015-03-02 22:58 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-02 23:00 <NickyP> troubleshooting the problem in kokua of working correctly on osgrid and not on master appears to hang in  lljoint.cpp 
2015-03-02 23:10 <quill_> can irc relay module connect to freenode?
2015-03-02 23:10 <AllenKerensky> it can but is not recommended
2015-03-02 23:10 <AllenKerensky> freenode tends to block ips when something goes wrong
2015-03-02 23:11 <quill_>  [IRC-Watchdog]: Login timed-out for connector 0, reconnecting
2015-03-02 23:11 <AllenKerensky> its best to set up your own IRC server to connect the IRC bridge module to
2015-03-02 23:13 <quill_> i plan to but for now i wanted to know how to connect to freenode. what does  [IRC-Watchdog]: Login timed-out for connector 0, reconnecting
2015-03-02 23:13 <quill_>  mean
2015-03-02 23:13 <AllenKerensky> its means your connection information is not exactly correct
2015-03-02 23:14 <AllenKerensky> also check your user = "USER <botname> <ipaddress> * :<nickname" has all the proper spaces
2015-03-02 23:15 <AllenKerensky> there needs to be a space between ip address, the asterisk, and another space between the asterisk and the colon
2015-03-02 23:15 <AllenKerensky> a missing space there can make things act odd
2015-03-02 23:15 <quill_> my ip address?
2015-03-02 23:15 <quill_> or irc ip
2015-03-02 23:15 <AllenKerensky> ipaddress or hostname yeha
2015-03-02 23:16 <quill_> ok 
2015-03-02 23:16 <AllenKerensky> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/IRCBridgeModule
2015-03-02 23:18 <quill_> thank you
2015-03-02 23:22 <quill_> sweet it worked
2015-03-02 23:24 <AllenKerensky> if you connected that to channel #osgrid you need to shut it down
2015-03-02 23:24 <AllenKerensky> its spamming the channel and freenode may ban your IP if it continues
2015-03-02 23:24 <AllenKerensky> you need to use your own unique channel name in the config at minimum
2015-03-02 23:27 <quill_> epp
2015-03-02 23:28 <quill_> should have been #osgrid1
2015-03-02 23:35 <AllenKerensky> or #capitalsim or something yeah  - but seriously I would not expect it to work on freenode for long
2015-03-02 23:36 <osmantis> Bug #7472:04 llResetScript should set set the value returned by llGetStartParameter() to 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7472 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-02 23:36 <quill_> im trying to create an irc server on ubuntu atm
2015-03-02 23:36 <osmantis> Bug #7472:04 llResetScript should set set the value returned by llGetStartParameter() to 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7472 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-02 23:37 <osmantis> Bug #7463:04 Mono and .NET set the default TTL for sockets to 32 [prevents some intercontinental connections] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7463 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-02 23:48 -!- Wanderer_42(~kvirc@dslb-092-072-128-141.092.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has left #opensim-dev
2015-03-02 23:59 <osmantis> Bug #7473:04 The standard UTF8.Encoding generates wrongly formatted XML when using the XmlWriter with it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7473 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-02 23:59 <osmantis> Bug #7473:04 The standard UTF8.Encoding generates wrongly formatted XML when using the XmlWriter with it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7473 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-03 00:51 <quill_> i have irc bridge setup on own server to relay private message but when i relay message it only show <regionName> in chat not the message
2015-03-03 01:10 <quill_> is it no possible to relay object chat to irc relay?
2015-03-03 01:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #4075 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-03 01:11 <justinccAfk> BlueWall: thanks
2015-03-03 01:12 <BlueWall> sure
2015-03-03 01:12 <BlueWall> I found it earlier, just needed to get time to sit down and zero in on it.
2015-03-03 01:13 <BlueWall> Is there any reson that we don't have the npc behave like physical movements with access to at_target/not_at_target/moving_end, etc.?
2015-03-03 01:13 <justincc> I'm surprised that my changes affected npcs
2015-03-03 01:14 <BlueWall> yeah, I think they must be in mouselook
2015-03-03 01:14 <BlueWall> they buzz in vertical circles, wide loops, totally out of control
2015-03-03 01:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4075: SUCCESS in 4 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4075/
2015-03-03 01:14 <osjenkins> bluewall: Fix erratic Npc movement
2015-03-03 01:15 <justincc> wierd
2015-03-03 01:15 <justincc> urgh, just shows how one apparantly fine change has knock on effects
2015-03-03 01:15 <BlueWall> is ok
2015-03-03 01:15 <BlueWall> we have to do what we have to do, then we can deal with the aftermath later.
2015-03-03 01:15 <BlueWall> we can do that.
2015-03-03 01:15 <justincc> are you trying to be my shrink? :)
2015-03-03 01:15 <justincc> I think I do need one
2015-03-03 01:16 <BlueWall> it's good to cath then early though.
2015-03-03 01:16 <BlueWall> ohh, lol, nahh
2015-03-03 01:17 <BlueWall> just looking into the movements a little, it looks like we could wire them up to the events used by prim movement - possibly. Am I right?
2015-03-03 01:18 <justincc> I must admit, I don't remember.  Some of that stuff could well be useful, assuming one is comfortable further stretching the lsl events to npc stuff
2015-03-03 01:18 <BlueWall> Like adapting the llTarget function to watch for npc and fire it's events 
2015-03-03 01:19 <BlueWall> it would help with movement to be able to set that target and have it report when the npc reaches it.
2015-03-03 01:19 <justincc> 
ACTION nods

2015-03-03 01:19 <justincc> do you have any sense for how this is done now, if it is?
2015-03-03 01:19 <justincc> by detecting for the prim instead?
2015-03-03 01:20 <BlueWall> In testing today, I made a prim to fly about the sim and wait for the npc to fly to it and collide.
2015-03-03 01:20 <BlueWall> not 100%
2015-03-03 01:20 <BlueWall> but, if I remember right the presence and the part have a common ancestor?
2015-03-03 01:21 <BlueWall> One thing, we don't seem to use the LSL events at all in ossl.
2015-03-03 01:21 <justincc> I don't think so
2015-03-03 01:21 <BlueWall> Is that tabo?
2015-03-03 01:22 <justincc> well, it is arguably generating events that lsl does not exist
2015-03-03 01:22 <justincc> e.g. extra npc events
2015-03-03 01:22 <justincc> My conservative position would be to have completely different OSSL events but that would require parser changes
2015-03-03 01:22 <BlueWall> they are local to the host though, right?
2015-03-03 01:22 <BlueWall> ++
2015-03-03 01:22 <justincc> I made the mistake, on reflection, of starting to hardcode event argumnet checks there.  I think really they should be done at a higher level
2015-03-03 01:23 <BlueWall> I might delve into it a little and see what it looks like. 
2015-03-03 01:23 <justincc> ok
2015-03-03 01:23 <BlueWall> We can talk about it then.
2015-03-03 01:23 <BlueWall> It would be really useful to have those for the npc movement.
2015-03-03 01:26 <osmantis> Bug #7467:04 Npc movement broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7467 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-03 01:49 <justincc> alright, that's quite enough.  Goodnight
2015-03-03 09:42 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-03 16:08 <osmantis> Bug #7463:04 Mono and .NET set the default TTL for sockets to 32 [prevents some intercontinental connections] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7463 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-03 17:02 <Plugh> dahlia, ping
2015-03-03 17:08 <Plugh> -ping
2015-03-03 17:08 <Plugh> I found what I needed (for now)
2015-03-03 17:30 <osmantis> Bug #7463:04 Mono and .NET set the default TTL for sockets to 32 [prevents some intercontinental connections] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7463 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-03 18:44 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-03 20:32 <osmantis> Bug #7463:04 Mono and .NET set the default TTL for sockets to 32 [prevents some intercontinental connections] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7463 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-03-03 20:32 <osmantis> Bug #7471:04 FetchInventoryDescendents should report bad_folders for non-existing folders 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7471 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-03-03 20:32 <osmantis> Bug #7473:04 The standard UTF8.Encoding generates wrongly formatted XML when using the XmlWriter with it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7473 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-03-03 20:32 <osmantis> Bug #7472:04 llResetScript should set set the value returned by llGetStartParameter() to 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7472 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-03-03 20:32 <osmantis> Bug #7470:04 corrected handling when XML parsing in presence connector fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7470 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-03-03 20:33 <osmantis> Bug #7465:04 llResetScript should not process any reset when in default.state_entry() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7465 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-03-03 20:51 <osmantis> Bug #7474:04 Replacement texture in UDP texture handling falsifies viewer cache. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7474 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-03 20:51 <osmantis> Bug #7474:04 Replacement texture in UDP texture handling falsifies viewer cache. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7474 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-03 20:59 <osmantis> Bug #7465:04 llResetScript should not process any reset when in default.state_entry() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7465 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-03 20:59 <osmantis> Bug #7470:04 corrected handling when XML parsing in presence connector fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7470 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-03 21:00 <osmantis> Bug #7472:04 llResetScript should set set the value returned by llGetStartParameter() to 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7472 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-03 21:00 <osmantis> Bug #7473:04 The standard UTF8.Encoding generates wrongly formatted XML when using the XmlWriter with it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7473 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-03 21:01 <osmantis> Bug #7471:04 FetchInventoryDescendents should report bad_folders for non-existing folders 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7471 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-03 21:01 <osmantis> Bug #7463:04 Mono and .NET set the default TTL for sockets to 32 [prevents some intercontinental connections] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7463 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-03 21:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #4076 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-03 21:03 <osmantis> Bug #7474:04 Replacement texture in UDP texture handling falsifies viewer cache. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7474 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-03-03 21:06 <osmantis> Bug #7468:04 porting newer full perm scripts from SL fails due to differences in memory limits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7468 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-03-03 21:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4076: SUCCESS in 9 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4076/
2015-03-03 21:07 <osjenkins> * bluewall: increased IPv4 TTL of LLUDP Sockets
2015-03-03 21:07 <osjenkins> * bluewall: corrected response when a not existing folder is requested by a viewer in that case the response has to report it as bad_folders with uuid instead of returning some dummy
2015-03-03 21:07 <osmantis> Bug #7464:04 notecard parser and osMakeNotecard do not handle all notecard variants correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7464 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-03-03 21:07 <osjenkins> * bluewall: corrected llResetScript according to description within LSL wiki
2015-03-03 21:07 <osjenkins> * bluewall: XML should not contain any BOM. Disabled BOM generation in BaseHttpServer
2015-03-03 21:07 <osjenkins> * bluewall: corrected handling when XML parsing in Presence Connector fails
2015-03-03 21:07 <osjenkins> * bluewall: corrected llGetStartParameter according to http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlGetStartParameter
2015-03-03 21:22 <osmantis> Bug #7464:04 notecard parser and osMakeNotecard do not handle all notecard variants correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-03 21:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #4077 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-03 21:34 <osmantis> Bug #7468:04 porting newer full perm scripts from SL fails due to differences in memory limits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7468 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-03 21:34 <osmantis> Bug #7474:04 Replacement texture in UDP texture handling falsifies viewer cache. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7474 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-03 21:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4077: FAILURE in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4077/
2015-03-03 21:37 <osjenkins> * bluewall: corrected memory info for scripts
2015-03-03 21:37 <osjenkins> * bluewall: changed llGetMemoryLimit to return 65536 as for Mono LSL
2015-03-03 21:37 <osjenkins> * bluewall: removed replacement texture in UDP Texture code. The replacement texture introduces false data into viewer cache. Removing that decreases the necessity for clearing the viewer cache. The viewer knows with ImageNotInDatabase that it is missing and can therefore know what to do about it a lot better than the sim does.
2015-03-03 21:37 <osjenkins> * bluewall: corrected osMakeNotecard(string data) text length was calculated wrong. The Linden text format defines a byte count in that format.
2015-03-03 21:41 <osmantis> Bug #7469:04 new llGetEnv() implementation improves porting scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7469 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-03-03 21:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #4078 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4076 45 min ago)
2015-03-03 21:43 <osmantis> Bug #7469:04 new llGetEnv() implementation improves porting scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7469 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-03 21:44 <BlueWall> FreakyTech in the channel?
2015-03-03 21:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4078: STILL FAILING in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4078/
2015-03-03 21:48 <osjenkins> * bluewall: added llGetEnv() implementation
2015-03-03 21:48 <osjenkins> * bluewall: Pickup our version number for the function
2015-03-03 21:49 <BlueWall> hmm
2015-03-03 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #7475:04 HG visitor cannot rez an object when it was previously requested by the viewer even through permitted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7475 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-03 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #7475:04 HG visitor cannot rez an object when it was previously requested by the viewer even through permitted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7475 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-03 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #7475:04 HG visitor cannot rez an object when it was not previously requested by the viewer even through permitted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7475 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-03 21:50 <osmantis> Bug #7475:04 HG visitor cannot rez an object when it was not previously requested by the viewer even though permitted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7475 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-03 21:52 <zadark> BlueWall:  If useful, Compiles and runs for me on mono 3.12 and .NET
2015-03-03 21:53 <BlueWall> here on Linux Mono 3.12 as well
2015-03-03 21:53 <BlueWall> there's not a lot of output to go on. coul dbe a test.
2015-03-03 21:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #4079 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4076 55 min ago)
2015-03-03 21:54 <nebadon> i trigged it to run again
2015-03-03 21:54 <BlueWall> cool. I need to figure out how to login to it
2015-03-03 21:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4079: STILL FAILING in 4 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4079/
2015-03-03 21:58 <nebadon> :(
2015-03-03 21:58 <BlueWall> ohhh wow
2015-03-03 21:59 <BlueWall> I'm running it on jenkins here to see if it is a test
2015-03-03 21:59 <nebadon> 	Test Result (2 failures / �0)
2015-03-03 21:59 <nebadon>     OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Shared.Tests.OSSL_ApiAppearanceTest.TestOsAgentSaveAppearance
2015-03-03 21:59 <nebadon>     OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Shared.Tests.OSSL_ApiAppearanceTest.TestOsOwnerSaveAppearance
2015-03-03 21:59 <BlueWall> there is almost no output there to tell what is happening.
2015-03-03 21:59 <BlueWall> hmmm
2015-03-03 21:59 <nebadon> http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4079/testReport/
2015-03-03 22:00 <nebadon> stack trace
2015-03-03 22:05 <BlueWall> those work on the server just find
2015-03-03 22:05 <BlueWall> fine*
2015-03-03 22:06 <nebadon> your doing nant tests?
2015-03-03 22:06 <nebadon> or xbuild?
2015-03-03 22:06 <BlueWall> xbuild here
2015-03-03 22:06 <nebadon> jenkins uses nant
2015-03-03 22:07 <BlueWall> I will fire up the monodevelop in a sec when the jenkins is done
2015-03-03 22:07 <BlueWall> ++
2015-03-03 22:07 <BlueWall> same thing though - running nunit
2015-03-03 22:07 <BlueWall> Finished: SUCCESS
2015-03-03 22:09 <nebadon> same mono version?
2015-03-03 22:09 <nebadon> maybe your using something .net 4.5 specific?
2015-03-03 22:09 <BlueWall> 3.6 I think
2015-03-03 22:09 <nebadon> mono 2.10 doesnt support 4.5 fully
2015-03-03 22:09 <BlueWall> Mono JIT compiler version 3.0.6 (tarball Sat Sep 28 04:42:52 UTC 2013)
2015-03-03 22:10 <BlueWall> that is just what is on OpenSuSE 13.1
2015-03-03 22:11 <nebadon> no i meant in one of these patches
2015-03-03 22:11 <BlueWall> I think those are coming from windows
2015-03-03 22:11 <nebadon> using C# stuff not supported in mono 2.10
2015-03-03 22:11 <BlueWall> vsgit, I think I saw
2015-03-03 22:12 <nebadon> ok well same thing applies
2015-03-03 22:12 <BlueWall> yeah, maybe
2015-03-03 22:12 <nebadon> i assume you saw this > System.InvalidCastException : Cannot cast from source type to destination type.
2015-03-03 22:12 <BlueWall> I will look in the test and see - it is probably something about the notecard patches.
2015-03-03 22:13 <nebadon> both tests fail with same thing
2015-03-03 22:13 <BlueWall> both fails involve writing to the notecard.
2015-03-03 22:13 <nebadon> thats like trying to write a int as vector or something?
2015-03-03 22:13 <nebadon> as example
2015-03-03 22:14 <BlueWall> or maybe just var
2015-03-03 22:14 <BlueWall> they use var a lot as a generic one
2015-03-03 22:16 <BlueWall> fails here on the monodevelop tests
2015-03-03 22:17 <BlueWall> so,I can go after it now 
2015-03-03 22:24 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-03 22:30 <nebadon> nice
2015-03-03 22:36 <BlueWall> ok, I reverted the notecard one and it passws.
2015-03-03 22:37 <BlueWall> I'll see if I can fix that.
2015-03-03 22:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #4080 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4076 1 hr 46 min ago)
2015-03-03 22:45 <osmantis> Bug #7464:04 notecard parser and osMakeNotecard do not handle all notecard variants correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-03 22:47 <osmantis> Bug #7464:04 notecard parser and osMakeNotecard do not handle all notecard variants correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7464 ): requires your FEEDBACK.
2015-03-03 22:48 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-03-03 22:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4080: FIXED in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4080/
2015-03-03 22:48 <osjenkins> bluewall: Revert "corrected osMakeNotecard(string data) text length was calculated wrong. The Linden text format defines a byte count in that format."
2015-03-03 22:52 <osmantis> Bug #7464:04 notecard parser and osMakeNotecard do not handle all notecard variants correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-03 23:04 <osmantis> Bug #7464:04 notecard parser and osMakeNotecard do not handle all notecard variants correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-03 23:20 <osmantis> Bug #7464:04 notecard parser and osMakeNotecard do not handle all notecard variants correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-03 23:33 <osmantis> Bug #7464:04 notecard parser and osMakeNotecard do not handle all notecard variants correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-03 23:36 <osmantis> Bug #7464:04 notecard parser and osMakeNotecard do not handle all notecard variants correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-03 23:38 <osmantis> Bug #7464:04 notecard parser and osMakeNotecard do not handle all notecard variants correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-03 23:38 <osmantis> Bug #7464:04 notecard parser and osMakeNotecard do not handle all notecard variants correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-03 23:40 <osmantis> Bug #7464:04 notecard parser and osMakeNotecard do not handle all notecard variants correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-03 23:41 <osmantis> Bug #7464:04 notecard parser and osMakeNotecard do not handle all notecard variants correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-03 23:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #4081 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2015-03-03 23:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4081: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4081/
2015-03-03 23:48 <osjenkins> bluewall: corrected script notecard parser. It now handles notecards with inventory as well.
2015-03-03 23:49 <nebadon> nice
2015-03-03 23:49 <BlueWall> have you run these yet?
2015-03-03 23:51 <osmantis> Bug #7464:04 notecard parser and osMakeNotecard do not handle all notecard variants correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-03 23:54 <osmantis> Bug #7475:04 HG visitor cannot rez an object when it was not previously requested by the viewer even though permitted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7475 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-03-03 23:55 <nebadon> I am updating my osgrid regions now BlueWall
2015-03-03 23:55 <nebadon> i havent tried any of the patches
2015-03-03 23:55 <nebadon> just have not had any time
2015-03-04 00:01 <osmantis> Bug #7464:04 notecard parser and osMakeNotecard do not handle all notecard variants correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-04 00:02 <osmantis> Bug #7464:04 notecard parser and osMakeNotecard do not handle all notecard variants correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-04 00:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #4082 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-03-04 00:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4082: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4082/
2015-03-04 00:13 <osjenkins> bluewall: corrected osMakeNotecard(string data) text length was calculated wrong. The Linden text format defines a byte count in that format.
2015-03-04 00:13 <osmantis> Bug #7464:04 notecard parser and osMakeNotecard do not handle all notecard variants correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7464 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-04 00:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #4083 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-04 00:24 <osmantis> Bug #7475:04 HG visitor cannot rez an object when it was not previously requested by the viewer even though permitted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7475 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-04 00:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4083: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4083/
2015-03-04 00:28 <osjenkins> bluewall: corrected bug that viewer cannot correctly fetch ItemData when being a HG visitor
2015-03-04 00:41 <AliciaRaven> i thought i knew that name, freakytech is the guy behind the arribasim fork
2015-03-04 00:43 <nebadon> yea
2015-03-04 00:43 <nebadon> these patches all came from Arribasim
2015-03-04 00:44 <AliciaRaven> cool
2015-03-04 00:44 <BlueWall> whew, was happe to get them. Happy they're all done now. Breaktime!
2015-03-04 00:44 <nebadon> thanks BlueWall, very good stuff :)
2015-03-04 00:45 <nebadon> of course you snuck a few in after i got done updating!!
2015-03-04 00:45 <nebadon> 
ACTION shakes fist!!

2015-03-04 00:45 <BlueWall> I will talk to him about that other pretty soon.
2015-03-04 00:45 <nebadon> lol
2015-03-04 00:45 <AliciaRaven> i will wait before i update for the mystery security fix thats due tommorow lol
2015-03-04 00:45 <BlueWall> I thinks it will be pretty involved and will need a lot of testing prior to bringing in.
2015-03-04 00:45 <BlueWall> Haaa
2015-03-04 00:46 <AliciaRaven> driving my curiosity wild and making me worried that i could have a hole in security, i wont be able to sleep lol
2015-03-04 00:47 <BlueWall> you should check now - you may already have craters where your sims were.
2015-03-04 00:48 <BlueWall> haha
2015-03-04 00:48 <AliciaRaven> lol
2015-03-04 01:13 <osmantis> Bug #7360:04 14 tables without primary key PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7360 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2015-03-04 01:46 <smxy> This #7360 mantis. I'm probably wrong, but I'd swear Melanie_T said there was a reason why this couldn't/shouldn't be done, but I can't find it in my logs.
2015-03-04 01:47 <smxy> I know I'd like it if they all had primary keys in MySQL too, as some DB tools I use won't work without them.
2015-03-04 02:33 <Dev_Random> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4380
2015-03-04 02:35 <Dev_Random> They've been marked as related.
2015-03-04 02:49 <smxy> Thanks, Dev_Random.
2015-03-04 02:53 <Dev_Random> Now back to looking for my terrain data...  misplaced my var while OSG was down
2015-03-04 03:22 <osmantis> Bug #7476:04 Prim descirptions truncated to 64 bytes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7476 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-04 03:23 <osmantis> Bug #7476:04 Prim descirptions truncated to 64 bytes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7476 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-04 03:24 <osmantis> Bug #7476:04 Prim descirptions truncated to 64 bytes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7476 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-04 03:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #4084 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-04 03:44 <osmantis> Bug #7476:04 Prim descirptions truncated to 64 bytes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7476 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-04 03:47 <notskittles> one more patch for that patch i just added, @bluewall. :)
2015-03-04 03:47 <notskittles> i forgot the migrations.
2015-03-04 03:47 <BlueWall> ohh, ok I will look at it 
2015-03-04 03:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4084: SUCCESS in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4084/
2015-03-04 03:47 <BlueWall> hehe already closed it
2015-03-04 03:47 <osjenkins> bluewall: As per http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Limits Prim description should be 128 bytes (127 + null terminator)
2015-03-04 03:48 <notskittles> yeah, that's why i jumped online. lol
2015-03-04 03:48 <notskittles> pgsql and mysql both still have 64 byte columns, so they need migration bumps.
2015-03-04 03:48 <notskittles> sqlite was already at 255...
2015-03-04 03:49 <notskittles> (sqlite is a pita to modify a column, so i am grateful. :) )
2015-03-04 03:49 <BlueWall> this will fix that pesky message 
2015-03-04 03:49 <BlueWall> ++
2015-03-04 03:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #4085 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-04 03:54 <notskittles> i have some more fixes too for llTransferLindenDollars, but they will break all current money modules.
2015-03-04 03:55 <BlueWall> well, is it worth it?
2015-03-04 03:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4085: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4085/
2015-03-04 03:55 <osjenkins> bluewall: Follow up to last commit, fix field length
2015-03-04 03:55 <notskittles> it is, as it is right now any failure in the transaction reports back as insufficient funds.
2015-03-04 03:56 <notskittles> and this pisses quite a few people off on our grid. :)
2015-03-04 03:56 <BlueWall> so what does this do?
2015-03-04 03:56 <notskittles> because they'll have 400k currency.
2015-03-04 03:56 <notskittles> sec, i've got the commit public.
2015-03-04 03:56 <BlueWall> ok
2015-03-04 03:57 <notskittles> we have a modified nls in the tree, so you can just ignore the addon-modules part but here's the commit https://bitbucket.org/neptunegames/server/commits/79e070d192cc0d2dc13fe35164db61bb1a815742
2015-03-04 03:57 <notskittles> instead of ObjectGiveMoney() returning a bool for success or failure
2015-03-04 03:57 <BlueWall> in what way does it break curren t modules?
2015-03-04 03:57 <notskittles> it makes it return success, failure, or insufficient funds.
2015-03-04 03:58 <notskittles> you have to change all the return types for the interface methods.
2015-03-04 03:59 <notskittles> stuff like returning INVALID_AMOUNT could go in through with no api breakage.
2015-03-04 03:59 <notskittles> and LINDENDOLLAR_ENTITYDOESNOTEXIST
2015-03-04 03:59 <BlueWall> could you shoot an email out to the dev list to discuss it for a day or two?
2015-03-04 03:59 <notskittles> sure.
2015-03-04 04:00 <Dev_Random> BlueWall & notskittles:  I accidentally mentioned this in #opensim, but thought it might be worth clarification here.  Any chance that 128 BYTE limit was in place to allow for multi-byte characters in a varchar(64) field?
2015-03-04 04:00 <BlueWall> I have no problem putting it in, but would be good to get others input.
2015-03-04 04:02 <BlueWall> we have been cutting the object description off at 64
2015-03-04 04:02 <BlueWall> it should be 127 per lsl spec.
2015-03-04 04:04 <notskittles> and accordig to spec they should be UTF8 as well.
2015-03-04 04:04 <BlueWall> notskittles, does that implement the  transaction_result event?
2015-03-04 04:04 <Dev_Random> so 127 characters may be more than 127 bytes
2015-03-04 04:05 <notskittles> no, transaction_result is already there.
2015-03-04 04:05 <BlueWall> ohhh, ok
2015-03-04 04:05 <notskittles> i contributed a patch to add that in cbd428c
2015-03-04 04:06 <BlueWall> allright
2015-03-04 04:06 <BlueWall> did you do one to handle the abuse reports?
2015-03-04 04:07 <notskittles> i'm about 90% done with that.
2015-03-04 04:07 <notskittles> i still need to add the upload cap for screenshots.
2015-03-04 04:07 <BlueWall> ok
2015-03-04 04:07 <BlueWall> cool
2015-03-04 04:07 <notskittles> that's living here right now https://bitbucket.org/cinderblocks/osreportabusemodule
2015-03-04 04:08 <notskittles> there was something funky with email too that i hadn't figured out yet.
2015-03-04 04:09 <notskittles> that would probably take unstitching the e-mail interface from the script engine.
2015-03-04 04:09 <BlueWall> just setting the email in the simulator to handle lsl? it uses that?
2015-03-04 04:10 <notskittles> well i was trying to do this
2015-03-04 04:10 <notskittles> IEmailModule email = m_scenes[0].RequestModuleInterface<IEmailModule>();
2015-03-04 04:10 <notskittles> but it always comes out null.
2015-03-04 04:10 <BlueWall> ok
2015-03-04 04:10 <BlueWall> I'll make a note to look into that
2015-03-04 04:11 <notskittles> ok cool.
2015-03-04 04:11 <notskittles> funny enough, it worked in another module.
2015-03-04 04:11 <BlueWall> really
2015-03-04 04:11 <notskittles> yeah, i added offline messaging to e-mail.
2015-03-04 04:11 <notskittles> but it's still a bit hacky.
2015-03-04 04:11 <BlueWall> how about your usings and your references in the prebuild.xml
2015-03-04 04:12 <BlueWall> but, I guess that would throw errors if it was missing.
2015-03-04 04:12 <notskittles> yeah.
2015-03-04 04:12 <notskittles> i guess if i pull out the null check just to test with maybe i can get a stack with what's actually happening there.
2015-03-04 04:14 <BlueWall> need to make an email router for robust
2015-03-04 04:15 <notskittles> in aurora they changed it from a region module to a plain interface so it could be used in robust.
2015-03-04 04:16 <BlueWall> this email module should work ok
2015-03-04 04:16 <notskittles> yeah.
2015-03-04 04:17 <BlueWall> strange that it would come back null
2015-03-04 04:17 <notskittles> i know. i thought it was somehow tangled into xengine, but it worked fine with my other change.
2015-03-04 04:18 <BlueWall> it's just a lowly region module
2015-03-04 04:18 <notskittles> 
ACTION nods.

2015-03-04 04:18 <BlueWall> m_Enabled = (startupConfig.GetString("emailmodule", "DefaultEmailModule") == "DefaultEmailModule");
2015-03-04 04:19 <BlueWall> I guess we just have the one.
2015-03-04 04:19 <BlueWall> but, if you had another one loaded, it might do something strange.
2015-03-04 04:20 <notskittles> it would probably be ok for inclusion without the e-mail bit too if i can't figure it out.
2015-03-04 04:21 <BlueWall> ++
2015-03-04 04:21 <notskittles> really, the major block right now is i need to stop being lazy and do the upload cap for the screenshot.
2015-03-04 04:21 <BlueWall> haha
2015-03-04 04:22 <BlueWall> Git off-a that thang, dance and you'll feel better ...
2015-03-04 04:23 <BlueWall> oops left out the 'up'
2015-03-04 04:23 <notskittles> lol
2015-03-04 04:23 <BlueWall> haha
2015-03-04 04:25 <BlueWall> would all that tie into the send snapshot via email?
2015-03-04 04:26 <notskittles> oh, i wasn't having it send snapshot by e-mail. i'm not sure it does that in sl, but it does upload a snapshot and send the asset uuid of the snapshot in the report.
2015-03-04 04:27 <BlueWall> I meant in the snapshot/photo thing.
2015-03-04 04:27 <BlueWall> that is an option there, to send it via email
2015-03-04 04:27 <BlueWall> postcard I think it is.
2015-03-04 04:27 <notskittles> i'm not sure. fwiw, ll just removed that from their viewer.
2015-03-04 04:28 <BlueWall> ok
2015-03-04 04:28 <notskittles> they broke that feature a couple months ago.
2015-03-04 04:28 <BlueWall> I haven't run a ll viewer is ages
2015-03-04 04:28 <BlueWall> in ages.
2015-03-04 04:29 <notskittles> they broke simulator support for it, and i assume there's no one at the lab now who could figure out how to fix it.
2015-03-04 04:29 <notskittles> so they just dropped it from their viewer now.
2015-03-04 04:29 <BlueWall> haha
2015-03-04 04:30 <BlueWall> that's one way to fix it.
2015-03-04 04:30 <notskittles> yeah.
2015-03-04 04:30 <notskittles> it's kind of funny, they were going to turn off the udp search service when i added it in firestorm.
2015-03-04 04:31 <notskittles> but nobody there could do it without breaking parcel level stuff.
2015-03-04 04:31 <notskittles> so they just left it and throttled it back to make it slower. lol
2015-03-04 04:31 <BlueWall> with the web search?
2015-03-04 04:31 <notskittles> they wanted to force people onto the web search.
2015-03-04 04:31 <BlueWall> ohhh, ok
2015-03-04 04:31 <notskittles> i added the legacy udp search to firestorm
2015-03-04 04:32 <notskittles> and oz got upset with me.
2015-03-04 04:32 <BlueWall> heh
2015-03-04 04:32 <notskittles> and was going to kill it completely.
2015-03-04 04:32 <notskittles> but nobody could do it without breaking a lot of other things.
2015-03-04 04:32 <notskittles> it's oooold code.
2015-03-04 04:32 <notskittles> and all the old old lindens have moved on.
2015-03-04 04:32 <BlueWall> all the people that knew about were let go about 4 years ago, lol
2015-03-04 04:33 <notskittles> yep, except andrew linden, the second linden employee ever.
2015-03-04 04:33 <notskittles> but he jumped ship for high fidelity last year.
2015-03-04 04:33 <BlueWall> he is still there?
2015-03-04 04:33 <BlueWall> cool
2015-03-04 04:33 <notskittles> no, he's working on hifi now with philip.
2015-03-04 04:33 <BlueWall> what do you think about that?
2015-03-04 04:33 <notskittles> they were college roommates.
2015-03-04 04:33 <BlueWall> ahhh
2015-03-04 04:33 <notskittles> he wrote the base of all of it himself pretty much.
2015-03-04 04:34 <notskittles> i haven't looked at hifi much. it's interesting though.
2015-03-04 04:34 <notskittles> i compiled it one night and played around for a couple days.
2015-03-04 04:34 <BlueWall> so it's all open
2015-03-04 04:35 <BlueWall> I guess they want to make it what the OGP project was supposed to be?
2015-03-04 04:35 <notskittles> yeah, in a way.
2015-03-04 04:36 <notskittles> philip is really excited in making it interoperable with more than just hifi too.
2015-03-04 04:37 <BlueWall> it uses voxels?
2015-03-04 04:37 <notskittles> yeah
2015-03-04 04:37 <notskittles> when i tried it, the build tools were very rudimentary and hard to use though.
2015-03-04 04:38 <notskittles> i'm sure they're designing something easier to use for it.
2015-03-04 04:38 <BlueWall> is it hard to build?
2015-03-04 04:39 <notskittles> you have to like building Qt. lol
2015-03-04 04:39 <notskittles> it uses a custom version of Qt5.
2015-03-04 04:39 <BlueWall> ohh
2015-03-04 04:39 <notskittles> it's all C++
2015-03-04 04:39 <notskittles> once you get Qt built though, it's easy enough to compile.
2015-03-04 04:39 <BlueWall> heh, when is Firestorm going to release a Linux 64 of the latest?
2015-03-04 04:40 <notskittles> no idea, i've been working on getting opensim support into alchemy.
2015-03-04 04:40 <BlueWall> ohhh, sounds like the old days, having to build all that stuff on Slackware
2015-03-04 04:40 <notskittles> there are 4 or 5 projects i build that use Qt.
2015-03-04 04:40 <BlueWall> that a viewer too?
2015-03-04 04:40 <notskittles> all of them have their own custom version to use. lol
2015-03-04 04:40 <BlueWall> wow
2015-03-04 04:40 <notskittles> which kind of defeats the purpose of having a framework. :P
2015-03-04 04:40 <notskittles> mumble has it's own special version too.
2015-03-04 04:40 <BlueWall> yes
2015-03-04 04:41 <BlueWall> that is crazy
2015-03-04 04:41 <notskittles> yeah, alchemy is a newish viewer i work on now.
2015-03-04 04:41 <BlueWall> why not just have the different parts in libs?
2015-03-04 04:41 <notskittles> there's a lot to add to get it working in opensim now though.
2015-03-04 04:41 <notskittles> i know.
2015-03-04 04:42 <BlueWall> just for SL?
2015-03-04 04:42 <notskittles> alchemy, yeah for right now, but i'm working on it.
2015-03-04 04:42 <notskittles> since it's based off very recent linden code, it lacks support for things in opensim
2015-03-04 04:42 <notskittles> varregions, client side bakes, etc.
2015-03-04 04:42 <BlueWall> i'll have to dl it and take it for a spin in sl next time I go there.
2015-03-04 04:43 <BlueWall> ohhh, ok
2015-03-04 04:43 <notskittles> right now i have it connecting in opensim
2015-03-04 04:43 <notskittles> but you're perma cloud
2015-03-04 04:43 <notskittles> and you crash on varregions.
2015-03-04 04:43 <BlueWall> is it V3ish?
2015-03-04 04:43 <notskittles> yes.
2015-03-04 04:43 <BlueWall> cool
2015-03-04 04:44 <notskittles> and it's very very fast.
2015-03-04 04:44 <BlueWall> latest webkit?
2015-03-04 04:44 <notskittles> it uses webkit 4.8.6 which isn't latest, but it's newer than all other viewers use.
2015-03-04 04:44 <BlueWall> (I'd rather have a viewer with great web support than web with viewer support)
2015-03-04 04:44 <notskittles> we were working on newer, but it seems kind of pointless since ll is working on CEF internally.
2015-03-04 04:45 <BlueWall> this Singularity alpha is pretty good, well really good.
2015-03-04 04:45 <BlueWall> I like the V3 interface though.
2015-03-04 04:45 <notskittles> we sync with singularity code a lot.
2015-03-04 04:45 <notskittles> liru is on both singu and alchemy teams.
2015-03-04 04:46 <notskittles> and we share code back and forth.
2015-03-04 04:46 <BlueWall> doyou think you'll do the modular thing that runs the dynamic modules for Opensim?
2015-03-04 04:46 <BlueWall> I forget what Diva called it.
2015-03-04 04:46 <notskittles> onlook?
2015-03-04 04:46 <BlueWall> yes
2015-03-04 04:47 <notskittles> it's not really compatible with V3, but it's possible if the protocol was more generic.
2015-03-04 04:47 <BlueWall> that is a pretty good idea, I think. You cold do a lot of nice things with that for business or games.
2015-03-04 04:48 <notskittles> yeah.
2015-03-04 04:52 <notskittles> being able to tailor your world to a specific target audience would bring down the learning curve a lot.
2015-03-04 04:52 <BlueWall> right
2015-03-04 04:52 <notskittles> no 55 panels of preferences. lol
2015-03-04 04:52 <BlueWall> haha
2015-03-04 04:53 <BlueWall> I can never find all the stuff
2015-03-04 04:53 <notskittles> firestorm is the only preference panel that i've ever seen rival kde's.
2015-03-04 04:53 <BlueWall> hehe
2015-03-04 04:54 <BlueWall> I've got bots with Unknown UserUMMTGUN9
2015-03-04 04:54 <BlueWall> I think that display names things whacked us
2015-03-04 04:56 <notskittles> i saw one of those the other day in the grid i work for on my friend list.
2015-03-04 04:57 <notskittles> so it had to be a local user
2015-03-04 04:57 <notskittles> iunno.
2015-03-04 04:58 <BlueWall> it showed up again after the display names.
2015-03-04 05:02 <smxy> Yes, it is a recent recurrance.
2015-03-04 05:02 <smxy> I've been seeing it on a few avatars, not bots.
2015-03-04 06:56 <Bwild> s
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2015-03-04 08:59 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007476.
2015-03-04 08:59 <osmantis> Bug #7476:04 Prim descirptions truncated to 64 bytes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7476 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007350.
2015-03-04 09:03 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-04 09:44 <osmantis> Bug #7477:04 [J2KIMAGE]: RunUpdate() called with missing asset data (no missing image texture?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7477 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-04 09:51 <osmantis> Bug #7458:04 [PROFILES]: Problematic response for image_assets_request from http://profiles.osgrid.org/profile.php/ 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7458 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-04 09:54 <osmantis> Bug #7458:04 [PROFILES]: Problematic response for image_assets_request from http://profiles.osgrid.org/profile.php/ 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7458 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-04 10:37 <dahlia> well I tried to run opensim from coreclr on linux but FAIL :(
2015-03-04 10:37 <dahlia> I did this https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr/wiki/Building-and-Running-CoreCLR-on-Linux
2015-03-04 10:45 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-04 10:51 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-04 10:52 <nebadon> dahlia I didnt think CoreCLR would be enough
2015-03-04 10:52 <nebadon> what kind of failure did you get?
2015-03-04 10:54 <dahlia> it just hung after complaining about reading strings not yet implemented for unix
2015-03-04 10:55 <nebadon> ya can't say I am surprised
2015-03-04 10:56 <nebadon> I suspect it will be a while before it can run something as complex as opensim
2015-03-04 10:57 <dahlia> I tried to use the mono 4.5 runtime, maybe I should try the 4.0 instead
2015-03-04 10:58 <nebadon> I think on windows you need both 3.5.1 and 4.5
2015-03-04 10:58 <nebadon> I still dont think it will run with just 4.5.1
2015-03-04 10:58 <nebadon> err sorry 4.5
2015-03-04 11:15 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-04 11:16 <nebadon> moved my Raspberry Pi2 sim over to OSgrid now
2015-03-04 11:16 <nebadon> "OKC Raspberry Pi2"
2015-03-04 11:20 <dahlia> lol
2015-03-04 11:43 <dahlia> nebadon: http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/webglPi2.jpg
2015-03-04 11:44 <nebadon> heh cool
2015-03-04 11:44 <nebadon> its a var region dahlia
2015-03-04 11:44 <dahlia> ya I dont have var terrain working
2015-03-04 11:46 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/OKC%20Raspberry%20Pi2%2001.png
2015-03-04 11:48 <dahlia> oh hmmm didnt get that big white thing
2015-03-04 11:48 <dahlia> everything was downloading very slow
2015-03-04 11:49 <nebadon> thats the terrain
2015-03-04 11:49 <nebadon> regular LL terrain
2015-03-04 11:50 <nebadon> I was also moving stuff around and deleting a bunch of stuff as you logged in
2015-03-04 11:50 <dahlia> oh
2015-03-04 11:50 <nebadon> dan and sarah also logged in at same time
2015-03-04 11:50 <nebadon> it got a tad laggy
2015-03-04 11:51 <dahlia> ya it was downloading very slow
2015-03-04 11:51 <dahlia> saw you and dan were there but not others
2015-03-04 12:01 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-04 12:08 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-04 13:16 <osmantis> Bug #7478:04 After create region, regions remains offline until server restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7478 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-04 13:59 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-04 14:04 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-04 14:16 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-04 14:17 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-04 14:28 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-04 14:35 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-04 14:41 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-04 14:42 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-04 14:50 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-04 14:53 <osmantis> Bug #7462:04 Changing default starting point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7462 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-04 17:01 <ftcodes> sorry BlueWall I missed that I changed that back to ftcodes
2015-03-04 17:03 <osmantis> Bug #7479:04 XAssetStore DB needs critical db migration change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7479 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-04 17:04 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-04 17:05 <osmantis> Bug #7479:04 XAssetStore DB needs critical db migration change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7479 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-04 17:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #4086 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-04 17:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4086: SUCCESS in 9 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4086/
2015-03-04 17:21 <osjenkins> bluewall: Chase latest change to asset description length with an update to XAssetStore db tables
2015-03-04 17:34 <osmantis> Bug #7480:04 Exception messages are bad for usability by casual users (LSL_API, LS_API) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7480 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-04 17:34 <osmantis> Bug #7480:04 Exception messages are bad for usability by casual users (LSL_API, LS_API) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7480 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-04 17:37 <osmantis> Bug #7480:04 Exception messages are bad for usability by casual users (LSL_API, LS_API) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7480 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-03-04 17:39 <osmantis> Bug #7481:04 simplify llStringToBase64 and llBase64ToString 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7481 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-04 17:39 <osmantis> Bug #7481:04 simplify llStringToBase64 and llBase64ToString 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7481 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-04 17:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #4087 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-04 17:39 <osmantis> Bug #7481:04 simplify llStringToBase64 and llBase64ToString 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7481 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-03-04 17:43 <osmantis> Bug #7482:04 llSetMemoryLimit has to report TRUE for Mono based scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7482 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-04 17:43 <osmantis> Bug #7482:04 llSetMemoryLimit has to report TRUE for Mono based scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7482 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-04 17:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4087: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4087/
2015-03-04 17:43 <osjenkins> bluewall: usability fixes for LightShare API
2015-03-04 17:46 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-04 17:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #4088 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-04 17:48 <osmantis> Bug #7480:04 Exception messages are bad for usability by casual users (LSL_API, LS_API) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7480 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-04 17:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4088: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4088/
2015-03-04 17:51 <osjenkins> * bluewall: simplify llStringToBase64 and llBase64ToString
2015-03-04 17:51 <osmantis> Bug #7481:04 simplify llStringToBase64 and llBase64ToString 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7481 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-04 17:51 <osjenkins> * bluewall: usability fixes for LSL API
2015-03-04 18:12 <osmantis> Bug #7479:04 XAssetStore DB needs critical db migration change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7479 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-04 18:12 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-04 18:25 <osmantis> Bug #7479:04 XAssetStore DB needs critical db migration change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7479 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-03-04 18:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #4089 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-04 18:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4089: SUCCESS in 4 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4089/
2015-03-04 18:32 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Add outbound URL filter to llHttpRequest() and osSetDynamicTextureURL*() script functions.
2015-03-04 18:32 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Make private services forbid llHTTPRequest() calls by rejecting those that have the X-SecondLife-Shard header.
2015-03-04 19:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #4090 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-04 19:05 <osmantis> Bug #7479:04 XAssetStore DB needs critical db migration change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7479 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-04 19:06 <osmantis> Bug #7479:04 XAssetStore DB needs critical db migration change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7479 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-04 19:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4090: SUCCESS in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4090/
2015-03-04 19:07 <osjenkins> * bluewall: Revert "Chase latest change to asset description length with an update to XAssetStore db tables"
2015-03-04 19:07 <osjenkins> * bluewall: Chase latest change to asset description length with an update to XAssetStore db tables
2015-03-04 19:07 <osjenkins> * bluewall: One more migration fix
2015-03-04 19:32 <ftcodes> bluewall?
2015-03-04 19:32 <BlueWall> hey ft
2015-03-04 19:32 <ftcodes> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7474 needs to be delayed
2015-03-04 19:32 <ftcodes> it uncovered a defect in the baking handling
2015-03-04 19:32 <ftcodes> was hidden behind
2015-03-04 19:33 <BlueWall> ok
2015-03-04 19:38 <osmantis> Bug #7474:04 Replacement texture in UDP texture handling falsifies viewer cache. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7474 ): has been REOPENED.
2015-03-04 19:41 <osmantis> Bug #7474:04 Replacement texture in UDP texture handling falsifies viewer cache. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7474 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-04 19:52 <AliciaRaven> are there any more commits to master on the way or is it ok to update now?
2015-03-04 19:53 <justincc> you're talking to BlueWall?
2015-03-04 19:53 <AliciaRaven> anyone
2015-03-04 19:53 <justincc> I have no further changes but i can't speak for others
2015-03-04 19:53 <AliciaRaven> was wondering if u had any, but i suspect Bluewall will be reverting the 7474 mantis patch
2015-03-04 19:54 <AliciaRaven> k thanks justincc
2015-03-04 19:54 <ftcodes> it is reverted due to an analysis I had the chance to analyze today
2015-03-04 19:54 <ftcodes> I suspected other changes but it pointed straight to that
2015-03-04 19:54 <ftcodes> it needs further work before being of anyuse
2015-03-04 19:54 <ftcodes> due to other parts failing then
2015-03-04 19:55 <AliciaRaven> i thought it was already added before you found the problem
2015-03-04 19:55 <ftcodes> was
2015-03-04 19:55 <ftcodes> I had it together with another related fix in my fork
2015-03-04 19:55 <AliciaRaven> but it wasnt added to master yet?
2015-03-04 19:56 <BlueWall> I have nothing planned 
2015-03-04 19:56 <BlueWall> ohh, 1 sec.
2015-03-04 19:56 <BlueWall> 1 more in just a min.
2015-03-04 19:57 <AliciaRaven> k
2015-03-04 19:57 <ftcodes> only very short time as I gave note as fast as possible about the analysis results
2015-03-04 19:58 <ftcodes> that problem is more prominent when assets are missing
2015-03-04 19:58 <ftcodes> that is why I did not see it initially
2015-03-04 19:58 <AliciaRaven> yes, i was just asking because since you said there was a problem, there has been no revert commit
2015-03-04 19:58 <ftcodes> I had the results today
2015-03-04 19:59 <AliciaRaven> ftcodes, thanks for the patches from your fork :)
2015-03-04 19:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #4091 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-04 19:59 <ftcodes> I have a few more. Some related to ensuring HG IM functioning
2015-03-04 19:59 <nebadon> ah is that what this is about?
2015-03-04 19:59 <nebadon> 05:43:31 - [J2KIMAGE]: RunUpdate() called with missing asset data (no missing image texture?). Canceling texture transfer
2015-03-04 19:59 <ftcodes> but that part needs a bit further work and adaptation
2015-03-04 19:59 <AliciaRaven> oh that will be good, that has been very unreliable
2015-03-04 19:59 <ftcodes> yes
2015-03-04 19:59 <nebadon> ok i was wondering about that
2015-03-04 19:59 <ftcodes> it triggers another bug
2015-03-04 19:59 <justincc> bugs upon buigs
2015-03-04 20:00 <justincc> bugs even
2015-03-04 20:00 <ftcodes> it is a layer cake of bugs
2015-03-04 20:00 <justincc> true :)
2015-03-04 20:00 <justincc> it's bugs all the way down...
2015-03-04 20:00 <notskittles> Mmmm, good. I like them fresh not stale.
2015-03-04 20:00 <AliciaRaven> i also notice that when i go outside my grid, then sign out, my friends do not get notified and i stay online in their contact list, i have been meaning to add that to mantis for a while now
2015-03-04 20:00 <nebadon> OpenSim a good source of protein!
2015-03-04 20:00 <ftcodes> a lot more bugs are hidden inside that baking thing
2015-03-04 20:01 <ftcodes> same about animation handling
2015-03-04 20:02 <ftcodes> XEngine is a beast yet has to be tackled
2015-03-04 20:02 <nebadon> indeed
2015-03-04 20:02 <Melanie_T> careful, it bites :)
2015-03-04 20:02 <ftcodes> I know
2015-03-04 20:02 <Melanie_T> typically even the hand that feeds it these days
2015-03-04 20:03 <ftcodes> those patches I provided are mostly usability fixes and some bug fixes to very specific functions
2015-03-04 20:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4091: SUCCESS in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4091/
2015-03-04 20:03 <osjenkins> bluewall: Revert "removed replacement texture in UDP Texture code. The replacement texture introduces false data into viewer cache. Removing that decreases the necessity for clearing the viewer cache. The viewer knows with ImageNotInDatabase that it is missing and can therefore know what to do about it a lot better than the sim does."
2015-03-04 20:04 <notskittles> i'd love to go deeper than xengine and add script energy to the script engine base.
2015-03-04 20:04 <Melanie_T> what is the point of script energy?
2015-03-04 20:05 <notskittles> so that certain dynamic functions have a penalty when called, slowing the script. the script heals itself over time.
2015-03-04 20:05 <Melanie_T> what functions are those? 
2015-03-04 20:06 <ftcodes> script errors
2015-03-04 20:06 <ftcodes> for example llSetPrimitiveParams
2015-03-04 20:06 <ftcodes> gave that nasty exception info
2015-03-04 20:06 <ftcodes> no ordinary user could really understand what it really was about
2015-03-04 20:06 <justincc> those should be proper errors
2015-03-04 20:06 <notskittles> well, in lsl everything is assigned a script energy value. most are assigned with a value of 10
2015-03-04 20:07 <notskittles> llDie has a zero value, obviously.
2015-03-04 20:07 <Melanie_T> ftcodes: yes I saw those patches - the exceptions weren't in fact even useful to programmers
2015-03-04 20:07 <ftcodes> I know
2015-03-04 20:07 <notskittles> it's an alternative to sleeping the script as a penalty.
2015-03-04 20:07 <ftcodes> gave them proper texts
2015-03-04 20:07 <Melanie_T> notskittles: Is that a SL idea, or something new?
2015-03-04 20:08 <ftcodes> was well accepted from people that used it on my fork
2015-03-04 20:08 <ftcodes> *was = is
2015-03-04 20:08 <notskittles> it's an sl idea.
2015-03-04 20:08 <Melanie_T> but SL still does use sleep penalties as well for the worst kinds of abuseable functions
2015-03-04 20:09 <notskittles> yes, well sl's implementation was flawed as well.
2015-03-04 20:09 <Melanie_T> of energy, you mean?
2015-03-04 20:09 <notskittles> it was discovered that some functions could be manipulated to have negative energy values.
2015-03-04 20:10 <Melanie_T> to me, the concept of slowing a script in that way raises some other ugly issues
2015-03-04 20:10 <notskittles> so you could "juice" a script with negative energy
2015-03-04 20:10 <Melanie_T> script events are really meant to be coded as get in, do quick work and get out fast
2015-03-04 20:10 <ftcodes> I can vouch for that I know a lot of unexpected penalties within OpenSim given high thread counts.
2015-03-04 20:10 <ftcodes> given=giving
2015-03-04 20:10 <Melanie_T> sloving the script would make event handlers take longer, eventually causing events to be piling up
2015-03-04 20:11 <Melanie_T> so i believe it would have to be quite selective
2015-03-04 20:12 <Melanie_T> you would want to let a script run at full speed in some handlers, like at_target
2015-03-04 20:12 <ftcodes> just to comment the current XEngine design is not very suitable for the slowing down concept
2015-03-04 20:12 <Melanie_T> but more drastically slow it in not_at_target, etc, which are being abused as fast timers, and in time_event as well
2015-03-04 20:12 <nebadon> the biggest thing that sucks with xengine right now is the appdomain thing
2015-03-04 20:12 <nebadon> having to jam all scripts into a single appdomain
2015-03-04 20:12 <Melanie_T> blame microsoft
2015-03-04 20:12 <nebadon> and never being able to unload them
2015-03-04 20:13 <nebadon> busy regions really bloat up horribly after a few days because of attachments
2015-03-04 20:13 <ftcodes> I have already gone through some iterations with the appdomain loading
2015-03-04 20:13 <ftcodes> yet did not fully succeed to get it straightened
2015-03-04 20:13 <nebadon> justin had a good idea 
2015-03-04 20:13 <nebadon> about making attachments have their own appdomains
2015-03-04 20:13 <nebadon> that die when the avatar leaves
2015-03-04 20:13 <ftcodes> that is why it is not proposed what I did about that
2015-03-04 20:13 <Melanie_T> the issue is that an appdomain is implemented as a closed off bubble and all data in or out is mrshalled through pretty narrow sockets
2015-03-04 20:13 <nebadon> I recall LL having the ability to transfer all running scripts to a new appdomain and kill old one
2015-03-04 20:13 <nebadon> to freshen up a simulatioon
2015-03-04 20:14 <ftcodes> I saw those calls in some iterations when the appdomain was killed early
2015-03-04 20:14 <Melanie_T> nebadon: that is actually possible. I never thought of it
2015-03-04 20:14 <Melanie_T> even in the framework of xengine, that can be done 
2015-03-04 20:14 <nebadon> nice
2015-03-04 20:15 <nebadon> we should do it
2015-03-04 20:15 <Melanie_T> see
2015-03-04 20:15 <Melanie_T> when a script is "wrapped" for transfer to another host
2015-03-04 20:15 <Melanie_T> it could just as well be inkected into a new appdomain on the same host
2015-03-04 20:16 <Melanie_T> so if (ceratin number of dead scripts reached) then <start moving scripts to a new appdomain (pss. 10-100/s) loop until no more scripts left then kill old appdomain
2015-03-04 20:16 <nebadon> yea
2015-03-04 20:16 <ftcodes> actually the unloading is only related to get the unused scripts out of memory again
2015-03-04 20:16 <Melanie_T> the number of script being moved could be calculated as a percentage of load
2015-03-04 20:16 <Melanie_T> and scripts witout pending events would be preferred
2015-03-04 20:16 <Melanie_T> that would work
2015-03-04 20:17 <ftcodes> so it would be possible to use it per loaded script assembly?
2015-03-04 20:17 <Melanie_T> solves a long standing issue
2015-03-04 20:17 <Melanie_T> if you take a script out of one appdomain and load it into another it will be loaded twice
2015-03-04 20:17 <Melanie_T> but the old copy would be dropped when the old appdomain is empty and killed
2015-03-04 20:18 <ftcodes> but there is one question when will it be empty?
2015-03-04 20:18 <Melanie_T> and that would drop all loaded scripts that are no longer executing, freeing up memory
2015-03-04 20:18 <Melanie_T> ftcodes: if i wrap a script and push it to a new appdomain, the script will be dead in the old one
2015-03-04 20:18 <Melanie_T> once all are dead in that way or in the natural lifecycle
2015-03-04 20:18 <Melanie_T> then the appdomain can be klled
2015-03-04 20:19 <ftcodes> I meant the action what happens with scripts that still run
2015-03-04 20:19 <Melanie_T> read above
2015-03-04 20:19 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-04 20:19 <Melanie_T> they get "wrapped" and pushed into a new appdomai
2015-03-04 20:19 <ftcodes> you forget that some people are writing endlessly running scripts
2015-03-04 20:19 <Melanie_T> due to that, they're no longer running in the old appdomain
2015-03-04 20:19 <Melanie_T> ftcodes: those are not alllowed anyway and will be aborted/restarted
2015-03-04 20:20 <ftcodes> I saw occasions where that abort killed more than it should have been doing
2015-03-04 20:20 <Melanie_T> endless loops in events create scripts that can't regioncross or save state across sim restarts
2015-03-04 20:20 <ftcodes> and they lock threads
2015-03-04 20:20 <Melanie_T> so that is disallowed practice and this appdomain management strategy will actually encourage better programming
2015-03-04 20:20 <ftcodes> me too
2015-03-04 20:21 <ftcodes> every time I saw such a script for review I rewrote that logic
2015-03-04 20:22 <ftcodes> as long as it does not give a clear message it is hard to encourage people to adopt good strategies
2015-03-04 20:23 <Melanie_T> well, they should have learned in SL but then SL is very tolerant of this kind of coding
2015-03-04 20:23 <ftcodes> I good a lot of talks with scripters that know that fact
2015-03-04 20:23 <ftcodes> of SL
2015-03-04 20:24 <ftcodes> good = got
2015-03-04 20:25 <ftcodes> but I discourage that as well and prefer the correct event based approach
2015-03-04 20:25 <Melanie_T> i don't really see how such scripts can be useful as evan in SL, while that loop runs, no other events can be processed
2015-03-04 20:25 <ftcodes> it just stalls its event queue
2015-03-04 20:26 <ftcodes> and locks down a thread
2015-03-04 20:26 <ftcodes> and those beasts tend to come in groups
2015-03-04 20:26 <Melanie_T> so building a script on an endless loop can not serve for much more then replicating the effect one can get, much better, with llsetkeyframemotion, lltargetomega and llsettextureanimation
2015-03-04 20:26 <Melanie_T> that is what these endless loop based scripts normally do
2015-03-04 20:26 <Melanie_T> move/rotate prims or change textures in a loop
2015-03-04 20:26 <ftcodes> I saw a lot of those
2015-03-04 20:27 <Melanie_T> we should institute public floggings for scripters who write those :)
2015-03-04 20:27 <ftcodes> what helps a lot is actually telling the cons of that approach and why the event based approach is a lot better including use of more suited functions
2015-03-04 20:28 <ftcodes> to the people scripting whatever
2015-03-04 20:31 <ftcodes> just flogging does not help much
2015-03-04 20:31 <Melanie_T> but it's fun
2015-03-04 20:31 <ftcodes> make them tell themselves why their newer scripts are so much better since they learned why they old ones are bad
2015-03-04 20:32 <ftcodes> and that is more fun to watch
2015-03-04 20:32 <ftcodes> because they start to educate others
2015-03-04 20:38 <Melanie_T> in fact I have done such reeducating :)
2015-03-04 20:38 <Melanie_T> and I didnt use a flogger (much)
2015-03-04 20:38 <Melanie_T> some did deserve a verbal flogging, though
2015-03-04 20:39 <nebadon> so Melanie_T is the appdomain something you might have time to work on?
2015-03-04 20:39 <nebadon> since you know more about it than anyone :)
2015-03-04 20:39 <ftcodes> If they do not want to understand after having giving the reasoning in a good way, then you can still flogg them
2015-03-04 20:39 <nebadon> xengine really could use some love
2015-03-04 20:40 <BlueWall> lock their pixels on a thumb drive and freeze it in a block of ice
2015-03-04 20:40 <ftcodes> not just some
2015-03-04 20:40 <nebadon> its definitely a weak point in opensimulator right now
2015-03-04 20:40 <ftcodes> more like a big pile of love
2015-03-04 20:40 <nebadon> lol
2015-03-04 20:41 <dahlia> OMG endless loop scripts *runs to bathroom*
2015-03-04 20:41 <nebadon> 16 tons of love!
2015-03-04 20:41 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2tWwHOXMhI
2015-03-04 20:41 <ftcodes> I know for example that the condition evaluation of C# and LSL differ
2015-03-04 20:41 <dahlia> I always used events to iterate, even in SL
2015-03-04 20:42 <ftcodes> which breaks quite some scripts because they expect the SL behaviour there
2015-03-04 20:42 <ftcodes> if(1 || runfunction()) in LSL executes runfunction()
2015-03-04 20:42 <ftcodes> in C# it does not
2015-03-04 20:42 <dahlia> LSL is dumb :P
2015-03-04 20:43 <ftcodes> and passing that LSL through a LSL to C# converter actually introduces the C# behaviour there
2015-03-04 20:43 <ftcodes> but with that big pile of scripts having created on both sides (SL and OS)
2015-03-04 20:43 <ftcodes> it is hard to find a good decision for the one or other
2015-03-04 21:21 <nebadon> http://codepen.io/akm2/full/rHIsa
2015-03-04 21:23 <OtakuMegane> Ohh, nifty
2015-03-04 21:24 <nebadon> yea pretty cool
2015-03-04 21:40 <Melanie_T> had to run just then
2015-03-04 21:41 <Melanie_T> i don't know, tbh, as my time is still in short supply
2015-03-04 21:41 <Melanie_T> i can look over it and estimate what needs to be done
2015-03-04 21:41 <Melanie_T> but doing it singlehandedly isn't viable right now
2015-03-04 21:41 <Melanie_T> i can facilitate a team effort, though
2015-03-04 21:46 <nebadon> awesome, thanks
2015-03-04 21:55 <smxy> So, I think this security fix just broke all of my HG gates.
2015-03-04 21:55 <OtakuMegane> loll
2015-03-04 21:55 <smxy> They all use llHTTPRequest to check, once an hour, if the destination is up.
2015-03-04 21:57 <ftcodes> I noticed also that it will break grid intercoms
2015-03-04 21:57 <smxy> I'm glad you think it's funny, OtakuMegane. It's one of the main features of my gates.
2015-03-04 21:57 <Melanie_T> then exactly what are you accessing that you shouldn't?
2015-03-04 21:58 <smxy> The scripts aren't allowed to call that function.
2015-03-04 21:58 <smxy> Without that function, they won't be able to check, will they.
2015-03-04 21:58 <Melanie_T> llHTTPRequest, I believe, now defaults to disabled
2015-03-04 21:58 <Melanie_T> but you can reeanble it
2015-03-04 21:59 <Melanie_T> it's also now restricted to not calling the grid's internal services like inventory, etc
2015-03-04 21:59 <smxy> Yes, *I* can, for *my* grid, but MANY people have copies of my gates all ove the place and they won't necessarily be able to turn that on.
2015-03-04 21:59 <Melanie_T> why not?
2015-03-04 21:59 <Melanie_T> everyone who puts up gates would notice and then turn it on
2015-03-04 21:59 <smxy> Because they just got told it was a saeciruty risk. 
2015-03-04 21:59 <smxy> security*
2015-03-04 22:00 <smxy> And not all of them run their own grids/standalones.
2015-03-04 22:00 <Melanie_T> well, i'm going on record here that I did argue the approach used is too draconian
2015-03-04 22:01 <Melanie_T> i was overruled on the grounds that protecting people who run grids at home from their users is more important than avoiding mandattory configuration changes
2015-03-04 22:02 <Melanie_T> basically, this approach chosen blocks the use of insecure functions until the grid operator has read and understood what to do in his/her specific configuration and situatin
2015-03-04 22:02 <Melanie_T> has implemented these security policies and protocols
2015-03-04 22:02 <Melanie_T> and reenables it
2015-03-04 22:03 <smxy> Most home users will never understand, I think, thus won't do it, because they've been told it's bad. My gates will all throw errors now.
2015-03-04 22:04 <osmantis> Bug #7474:04 Replacement texture in UDP texture handling falsifies viewer cache. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7474 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007477.
2015-03-04 22:04 <osmantis> Bug #7477:04 [J2KIMAGE]: RunUpdate() called with missing asset data (no missing image texture?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7477 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007474.
2015-03-04 22:04 <Melanie_T> smxy: the base security configuration chosen does two things
2015-03-04 22:04 <smxy> If I understand this correctly.
2015-03-04 22:05 <Melanie_T> one, it disallows all access to the "private" IP ranges so a malicious user can't proble the region owner's home network
2015-03-04 22:05 <smxy> That's good.
2015-03-04 22:05 <Melanie_T> two, blocks the grid services like inventory, asset, etc, from accepting requests that have the X-SecondLife-Shard header
2015-03-04 22:05 <Melanie_T> thereby disallowing abuse of grid services that have public addresses
2015-03-04 22:05 <Plugh> I agree with Melanie about public flogging of scripters who write scripts that use loops to move/rotate prims, or change textures.
2015-03-04 22:06 <Melanie_T> and disable llHTTPRequest until the grid owner decides he has mitigated any remaining risks
2015-03-04 22:06 <Melanie_T> for the typical home/standalone/hg config, the security already pre-set is sufficient and they can go straight to reenabling it
2015-03-04 22:07 <smxy> Okay, so maybe I don't understand this properly. Scripts may still call llHTTPRequest, without any ini changes from default, but they are just limited in what they may attempt to connect to?
2015-03-04 22:07 <Melanie_T> smxy: I'm not quite clear on what the base state of the allow/disallow flag is
2015-03-04 22:07 <justinccAfk> llHttpRequest() will work by default except for private addresses
2015-03-04 22:07 <Melanie_T> but i believe to have heard it's disabled until the grid/region owner has had a chance to review remaining risks
2015-03-04 22:08 <Melanie_T> thanks, justincc , thought the discussion had gone toward disabling it
2015-03-04 22:08 <OtakuMegane> How simple is it for someone who goes in with no idea about this security matter to learn what they need to and figure out the setting needs to be reenabled?
2015-03-04 22:08 <Melanie_T> so, smxy, default security is in effect but no disabling of functions is happening by default
2015-03-04 22:08 <smxy> Then perhaps I'm good then. I need to finish my update and testing then.
2015-03-04 22:08 <Melanie_T> but address lists are used to determne what can or can't be accessed
2015-03-04 22:08 <smxy> Thanks for clarifying, both of you.
2015-03-04 22:09 <justincc> OtakuMegane: if llHttpRequest() is making calls to the external net it will still work just fine
2015-03-04 22:09 <Melanie_T> you will NOT br able to use llHTTPRequest to probe a grid's services
2015-03-04 22:09 <smxy> Yes, my gates should only every be accessing the public IP of a remote grid.
2015-03-04 22:09 <justincc> but you can no longer have it call your LAN addresses by default.  If you want that you can configure it to make an exceptino
2015-03-04 22:09 <Melanie_T> e.g. probe the gatekeeper, if I understand that correctly
2015-03-04 22:09 <justincc> smxy: right, which will work out of the box
2015-03-04 22:09 <Melanie_T> because that should reject requests with the shard header
2015-03-04 22:10 <justincc> no, the gatekeeper is public so requests are not rejected
2015-03-04 22:10 <Melanie_T> ok
2015-03-04 22:10 <justincc> only the 'private' services will reject the reques
2015-03-04 22:10 <justincc> asset, inventory, etc.
2015-03-04 22:10 <Melanie_T> i thought it was using diva's global security plugin thingy
2015-03-04 22:10 <OtakuMegane> Ok, makes sense. So the vast majority of uses probably won't run into issues anyway unless it's trying to do bad stuff?
2015-03-04 22:10 <justincc> yeah, but she has only applied it to private services
2015-03-04 22:10 <justincc> except the bug with hg inventory
2015-03-04 22:10 <Melanie_T> k
2015-03-04 22:10 <smxy> When I access anything in my grid, all on my LAN, ot's always through the external public IP, with my firewall/router handling NAT and forwarding, so it shouldn't affect me.
2015-03-04 22:10 <justincc> OtakuMegane: right
2015-03-04 22:10 <Melanie_T> OtakuMegane: that is he intention
2015-03-04 22:11 <smxy> Great.
2015-03-04 22:11 <justincc> smxy: correct
2015-03-04 22:11 <justincc> this setting just stops somebody coming along and probing your lan via llHttpRequests()
2015-03-04 22:11 <justincc> allowing that by default is a horrible thing imo
2015-03-04 22:11 <smxy> And that's a good thing. :)
2015-03-04 22:11 <Melanie_T> the main point was to protect the user of opensim who runs it at home from people using llHTTPRequest to  find vulns in machines thought safe because they're behind the firewall
2015-03-04 22:12 <Melanie_T> so opoensim can't be used as a trojan horse / security barn door
2015-03-04 22:12 <OtakuMegane> Yeah, that could be nasty
2015-03-04 22:12 <smxy> yup
2015-03-04 22:12 <justincc> there is an argument that allowing somebody to come along and make llHttpRequests even to extrenal sites is pretty scary
2015-03-04 22:13 <justincc> in theory you could do a ddos attack - though you'd nee dto assemble scripts on an awful lot of systems
2015-03-04 22:13 <Melanie_T> there are hundreds of sims in SL that have 15000 prims with 256 scripts each doing either that, or sending spam
2015-03-04 22:13 <ftcodes> actually if someone wanted to do something malicious on a grid service, it is possible to use an anonymous proxy btw
2015-03-04 22:13 <justincc> or make requests to sites host cp, etc.
2015-03-04 22:13 <justincc> hosting
2015-03-04 22:14 <ftcodes> so that guard is not really ruling out all possibilities
2015-03-04 22:14 <OtakuMegane> Almost anything can be used in a bad way given time and creativity.
2015-03-04 22:14 <ftcodes> does not take much actually
2015-03-04 22:14 <Melanie_T> and black hats lack neither
2015-03-04 22:15 <ftcodes> from my point of perspective that is some php script on some web server
2015-03-04 22:15 <ftcodes> that allows removing that header
2015-03-04 22:15 <justincc> the shard thing is primarily for un-updated simulators
2015-03-04 22:15 <justincc> it's easy to get around if you're being malicious and someone is leaving their private service ports open to the internet
2015-03-04 22:16 <ftcodes> those services it makes sense
2015-03-04 22:16 <ftcodes> because a script could otherwise deregister sims
2015-03-04 22:16 <ftcodes> but it needs a bit more to think about because there is a loop hole by readily available proxy solutions made in php
2015-03-04 22:17 <justincc> a proxy is going to be outside the sim right?
2015-03-04 22:17 <ftcodes> yes and rips that header
2015-03-04 22:17 <justincc> on the external internet
2015-03-04 22:17 <justincc> right, but then how will it get the request back to the firewalled private service port?
2015-03-04 22:18 <ftcodes> but what about open grids
2015-03-04 22:18 <justincc> yeah, they are a problem
2015-03-04 22:18 <ftcodes> they do not have a firewalled port
2015-03-04 22:18 <justincc> but open grids are.... a problem anyway
2015-03-04 22:18 <justincc> the architecture is entirely unsuited to what they are trying to do
2015-03-04 22:18 <Melanie_T> open grids can be attacked from anywhere
2015-03-04 22:18 <Melanie_T> you don't need a sim to do it
2015-03-04 22:19 <ftcodes> took me a while to find a good solution to look down private access from public access on my grid
2015-03-04 22:19 <ftcodes> without having to go into complicated setups
2015-03-04 22:19 <Melanie_T> ftcodes: what do you mean by that?
2015-03-04 22:19 <ftcodes> I use the application firewalling concept
2015-03-04 22:20 <ftcodes> means I have no separate port for HG and private
2015-03-04 22:20 <Melanie_T> are you on windows?
2015-03-04 22:20 <ftcodes> runs on linux 
2015-03-04 22:20 <ftcodes> the grid
2015-03-04 22:21 <OtakuMegane> Honestly if you're going to run an open grid you should at least know the basics of security and how to deal with potential problems. If not, get someone on board who does. Because something *will* eventually happen.
2015-03-04 22:22 <ftcodes> it is not exactly open. the single port concept is not known in the context of robust
2015-03-04 22:22 <justincc> much of the 'solution' appears to be a wiki like reversing damage after the fact
2015-03-04 22:22 <justincc> which I can't think is even slightly scalable
2015-03-04 22:22 <ftcodes> requests like purging inventory does not work from unauthorized sources
2015-03-04 22:23 <justincc> yeah, some grids found this out the hard way
2015-03-04 22:23 <justincc> to stop that being possible on open systems
2015-03-04 22:24 <ftcodes> most went with that cumbersome clear via web page solution
2015-03-04 22:26 <Melanie_T> if you run an Open grid, e.g. where you have source code that actually compiles to the binary peope are supposed to use, as opposed to having left out parts of the source, like encryption, then your region operators are effectively allowed clients
2015-03-04 22:26 <ftcodes> open grids are pretty hard to tackle especially when trying to keep usability the same
2015-03-04 22:26 <Melanie_T> if they alter the code to do Bad Things, you can't prevent that
2015-03-04 22:26 <ftcodes> I know that topic
2015-03-04 22:26 <Melanie_T> so, yes, the effort level is somewhat above "casual"
2015-03-04 22:26 <ftcodes> my little grid is not configured as open grid at all
2015-03-04 22:26 <Melanie_T> but way below "too hard to bother"
2015-03-04 22:27 <justincc> I always assumed because of these problems they wouldn't be viable.  But that hasn't been fatal so far
2015-03-04 22:27 <ftcodes> yet the single port solution simplified configuration drastically
2015-03-04 22:27 <justincc> maybe it's like a wiki - one could assume the vanadalism would overwhelm them but in some cases they are viable
2015-03-04 22:28 <justincc> people are willing to keep correcting it
2015-03-04 22:28 <ftcodes> but that patch also gave me some reasons for what it is actually useful for 
2015-03-04 22:29 <ftcodes> so if you have open sandboxes somewhere for any HG visitor or whatsoever it helps keeping that under control
2015-03-04 22:29 <ftcodes> not doing bad things then
2015-03-04 22:29 <ftcodes> there is pros and cons to it
2015-03-04 22:33 <ftcodes> the private services lock down I agree with that makes sense
2015-03-04 22:40 <smxy> My grid's not big, by any stretch of the imagination, yet my services start has been paused for several minutes, while it applies the AssetStore migration. I wonder what that'll do to a truly big grid ...
2015-03-04 22:44 <smxy> People might want to manually do it and update the migrations table themselves, if they're comfortable working on the DB, so they can do it when they want, prior to restarting their services, as letting the services restart do it means your services are down until it finishes. 8 minutes and counting, for me.
2015-03-04 22:53 <smxy> 18 minutes and counting. Geez.
2015-03-04 22:56 <Melanie_T> what is the migration in question doing?
2015-03-04 22:58 <smxy> Changing the description field from 64 to 128
2015-03-04 22:59 <smxy> or rather 127+1, to be in line with the sl spec, I read.
2015-03-04 23:00 <Melanie_T> but this is on assets, right
2015-03-04 23:00 <Melanie_T> i never understood why they even need to have name and description
2015-03-04 23:00 <Melanie_T> as these are in no relation to the inventory items referring to them
2015-03-04 23:01 <Melanie_T> and a single asset can be referred to by multiple inventory items with different names and descriptions
2015-03-04 23:01 <Melanie_T> so assets really never should have had the fields name and description
2015-03-04 23:02 <justincc> In some cases I think it could be helpful.  Like map tiles could be labelled so one new they could be deleted
2015-03-04 23:02 <justincc> but in general i agree, it doesn't make sense for descriptoins that relate to inventory
2015-03-04 23:02 <Melanie_T> it would be more advantageous to use a sparse index that indexes only assets we know are collectable
2015-03-04 23:02 <dahlia> I think you can have name and desctription for object which do not exist in inventory yet
2015-03-04 23:03 <Melanie_T> assets are anonymous in the sl concept
2015-03-04 23:03 <dahlia> but serialized prim linksets are assets
2015-03-04 23:03 <Melanie_T> i don;t know why name and description were put in there and i suspect it was from incomplete nderstanding of the system
2015-03-04 23:03 <Melanie_T> name and description are properties of the invenory item
2015-03-04 23:04 <Melanie_T> if i create a linkset and give it to you full perm and you then rename it
2015-03-04 23:04 <ftcodes> only use I found was for debugging when requesting some assets but no other value for it
2015-03-04 23:04 <Melanie_T> you only rnamed your inventory
2015-03-04 23:04 <Melanie_T> not mine
2015-03-04 23:04 <Melanie_T> and the asset should not have a name and description
2015-03-04 23:04 <Melanie_T> it's not used anywhere
2015-03-04 23:04 <Dev_Random> If I build it and leave it laying around... without taking it into inventory?
2015-03-04 23:04 <Melanie_T> it'w "write and forget"
2015-03-04 23:04 <dahlia> how about if I rez a prim, it has a name which I can change yet its not in inventory
2015-03-04 23:04 <Melanie_T> it's in local storage of your region
2015-03-04 23:04 <Melanie_T> it's not an asset at that time
2015-03-04 23:05 <Dev_Random> ah.. right.
2015-03-04 23:05 <ftcodes> and in the object asset in its xml serialization to extend
2015-03-04 23:05 <ftcodes> the former note
2015-03-04 23:06 <ftcodes> I think the asset table change will give some people a few days downtime on their grids for an unused description
2015-03-04 23:06 <smxy> It's been 32 minutes and counting ...
2015-03-04 23:06 <dahlia> so why is the field in the asset table then?
2015-03-04 23:07 <dahlia> what uses it?
2015-03-04 23:07 <justincc> it's been there since before I joined, so you would have to ask the ghosts
2015-03-04 23:07 <Melanie_T> dahlia: because in the early days the fact that more than one inventory item refers to the same asset wasn't understood
2015-03-04 23:07 <ftcodes> nothing 
2015-03-04 23:07 <ftcodes> only transferred for no purpose
2015-03-04 23:07 <Melanie_T> i actually had to do some arguing back in the days to prevent code from being introduced that would have duplicated the asset when the item was given
2015-03-04 23:08 <smxy> This was purportedly done to match SL spec. That suggests *they* have it ...
2015-03-04 23:08 <Melanie_T> no
2015-03-04 23:08 <Melanie_T> it was done to match SL spec on descriptions on INVENTORY ITEMS
2015-03-04 23:08 <Melanie_T> the Migration should have been to remove these two columns
2015-03-04 23:08 <dahlia> noone has a *spec* other whan what is on public web sites such as SL wiki
2015-03-04 23:08 <Melanie_T> and remove the code that writes them
2015-03-04 23:08 <osmantis> Bug #7483:04 OpenSim treats SL spec field length as characters instead of bytes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7483 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-04 23:09 <dahlia> so.. the asset migration is at the same time as the security fix?
2015-03-04 23:09 <smxy> Well, I took the day's updates.
2015-03-04 23:09 <smxy> maybe  couple of day's worth
2015-03-04 23:10 <Melanie_T> IMHO, it is an _extremely_ bad idea to do any migration on the asset table
2015-03-04 23:10 <Melanie_T> it's bound to take hours even for medium grids
2015-03-04 23:10 <Melanie_T> and to cause downtime for large ones
2015-03-04 23:11 <smxy> The commit that started this was 7913417683f82c6228b0dd017dc5a37765a57053 followed up by 56ae3da291e753ac5a3c2457aa97a7a290fe5342 which changes the database.
2015-03-04 23:11 <Melanie_T> another thought here is that Migrations should really only be run for configurations using that resource
2015-03-04 23:12 <Melanie_T> meaning, if someone used another asset connector/service 
2015-03-04 23:12 <dahlia> but it wont migrate unless robust is updated?
2015-03-04 23:12 <Melanie_T> the assets table should not be created or updated
2015-03-04 23:12 <smxy> wouldn't a sim restart trigger it too?
2015-03-04 23:12 <Melanie_T> well, each sim also drags along a useless asset table iirc
2015-03-04 23:12 <Melanie_T> that would not take time, though
2015-03-04 23:12 <dahlia> smxy: I dont think regions have any control over the asset table in grid mode
2015-03-04 23:12 <Melanie_T> but.....
2015-03-04 23:13 <smxy> wasn't sure
2015-03-04 23:13 <Melanie_T> IMHO, that migration should not have gone in
2015-03-04 23:13 <Melanie_T> i missed it in the noice or i would have blocked it
2015-03-04 23:13 <Melanie_T> it causes hours to days of downtime for an essentially unused field
2015-03-04 23:13 <justincc> the security fix is after the migration.  There's no way to get around this now short of branching before the migration and reapplying commits then doing branch renaming
2015-03-04 23:13 <dahlia> good catch
2015-03-04 23:14 <ftcodes> no there is actually no assets table on simulator databases generated
2015-03-04 23:14 <justincc> or something extremely messy in downstream code maybe
2015-03-04 23:14 <Melanie_T> justincc: or make a -1 release with that rolled back
2015-03-04 23:14 <dahlia> but the security patch only affects regions?
2015-03-04 23:14 <dahlia> not robust?
2015-03-04 23:14 <dahlia> so I can still use older robust?
2015-03-04 23:14 <Melanie_T> dahlia: correct
2015-03-04 23:14 <dahlia> :)
2015-03-04 23:14 <justincc> dahlia: if you don't care about the shard check
2015-03-04 23:14 <Melanie_T> justincc: i would suggest changing that Migration into a NOP
2015-03-04 23:14 <justincc> which you don't have to if you update your simulators
2015-03-04 23:14 <Melanie_T> and doing a -1 release
2015-03-04 23:15 <dahlia> well I will mysqldump anyway, its been over a week
2015-03-04 23:15 <justincc> urrrghg
2015-03-04 23:15 <Melanie_T> since it's totally unimportant whether that sql actually ran
2015-03-04 23:15 <justincc> this is a massive headache now
2015-03-04 23:15 <smxy> This is why some of us run dev code, by the way. You're welcome. :p
2015-03-04 23:15 <dahlia> 
ACTION avoids databases because of issues like this....

2015-03-04 23:16 <justincc> if the migration is reversed again right now and people don't take intermediate commits then only the people who have updated master are slightly screwed
2015-03-04 23:16 <Melanie_T> sorry, justincc, i didn't catch that that was against assets
2015-03-04 23:16 <justincc> though not much if we end u premoving the column anyway
2015-03-04 23:16 <Melanie_T> when it flew by, i thought it pertained to inventory and prims tables
2015-03-04 23:16 <justincc> well, this thing is only in master, not in rc2 or anything else
2015-03-04 23:16 <Melanie_T> where it is very much relevant
2015-03-04 23:16 <Melanie_T> justincc: you don't need to reverse it
2015-03-04 23:16 <dahlia> I used to do databases when I was young and thought I was smart and didnt mind working all night fixing things like this so the factories would keep making widgets
2015-03-04 23:16 <Melanie_T> all you need to do is change it to be
2015-03-04 23:17 <Melanie_T> begin;
2015-03-04 23:17 <Melanie_T> commmit;
2015-03-04 23:17 <Melanie_T> and then re-release
2015-03-04 23:17 <justincc> I don't need to re-release, it's not in any release
2015-03-04 23:17 <Melanie_T> those who did run it have wasted some time
2015-03-04 23:17 <justincc> this is currently only a master problem
2015-03-04 23:17 <smxy> There were more commits than the two I mentioned, so check for them yourself, please, so I don't steer you wrong.
2015-03-04 23:17 <ftcodes> but you have to fill it in
2015-03-04 23:17 <Melanie_T> but for those where it never runs, nothing will break
2015-03-04 23:17 <Melanie_T> justincc: it didn't go into the sec fix release?
2015-03-04 23:17 <justincc> no
2015-03-04 23:17 <ftcodes> because some have that change others not
2015-03-04 23:17 <ftcodes> begin;commit;
2015-03-04 23:18 <Melanie_T> then just edit Migrations to be an empty migration
2015-03-04 23:18 <justincc> rc2 is slightly older, for precisely this kind of reason
2015-03-04 23:18 <Melanie_T> so the number is still used up
2015-03-04 23:18 <Melanie_T> and commit that
2015-03-04 23:18 <zadark> Can you not ajdust the migrate so it does nothing
2015-03-04 23:18 <Melanie_T> zadark: just what I'm saying
2015-03-04 23:18 <justincc> yeah, the only question is people who have taken the migration have a slightly different db from everybody else
2015-03-04 23:18 <zadark> ah
2015-03-04 23:18 <zadark> kk
2015-03-04 23:18 <Melanie_T> it's simply not relevent for anyone whether they run this or not
2015-03-04 23:18 <justincc> though that doesn't matter if we drop the columns eventually anyway
2015-03-04 23:18 <Melanie_T> it's a very expensive noop
2015-03-04 23:18 <Melanie_T> so just make it a real noop
2015-03-04 23:18 <ftcodes> drop means another large operation
2015-03-04 23:18 <zadark> Trail blazer make that choice
2015-03-04 23:18 <Melanie_T> justincc: the difference is immaterial
2015-03-04 23:19 <ftcodes> so decide on rejecting any patches against that
2015-03-04 23:19 <ftcodes> columns
2015-03-04 23:19 <justincc> keeping data around forever is dumn anyway
2015-03-04 23:19 <Melanie_T> i would not drop it, just any code that writes it
2015-03-04 23:19 <justincc> drop might not be so expensive
2015-03-04 23:19 <justincc> anyway, that's another issue
2015-03-04 23:19 <ftcodes> it is 
2015-03-04 23:19 <Melanie_T> drop is hideaously expensive
2015-03-04 23:19 <justincc> ok
2015-03-04 23:19 <ftcodes> but just drop the value fill out then
2015-03-04 23:19 <Melanie_T> dump, drop, reload is cheaper than drop
2015-03-04 23:19 <Melanie_T> those who want a clean db would probaby want to go that route
2015-03-04 23:20 <Melanie_T> the others will just add 10 bytes more per row than they would without it
2015-03-04 23:20 <ftcodes> remove that part from the c# code alone
2015-03-04 23:20 <Melanie_T> which is 2 varchars
2015-03-04 23:20 <Melanie_T> 5 bytes each if empty
2015-03-04 23:20 <justincc> BlueWall: are you around?
2015-03-04 23:21 <BlueWall> hi justincc, yes.
2015-03-04 23:21 <justincc> BlueWall: ok, so unfortunately the assets migration shows up the big issue changing this table
2015-03-04 23:21 <dahlia> 
ACTION is running mysqldump...

2015-03-04 23:21 <Melanie_T> there is also another issue with that table
2015-03-04 23:21 <justincc> there's also a case that the name and description columns are useless anyway - they're not used for inventory metadata
2015-03-04 23:21 <Melanie_T> InooDB is unsuitable for it
2015-03-04 23:21 <justincc> though I can think of some possible uses to identify deletable assets
2015-03-04 23:22 <Melanie_T> also, dump and reload in inoo are 2 orders of magnitude slower than with myisam
2015-03-04 23:22 <Melanie_T> i can dump all of osgrid's assets in 1.5 minutes
2015-03-04 23:22 <Melanie_T> and reload in about 5
2015-03-04 23:22 <dahlia> o.0
2015-03-04 23:22 <dahlia> the metadata
2015-03-04 23:22 <dahlia> ?
2015-03-04 23:22 <Melanie_T> because i made those myisam
2015-03-04 23:22 <smxy> So what took 6 months. :P
2015-03-04 23:22 <smxy> *ducks*
2015-03-04 23:23 <dahlia> the assets took 6 months
2015-03-04 23:23 <AllenKerensky> the vacation to the Bahamas
2015-03-04 23:23 <smxy> It was rhetorical. :)
2015-03-04 23:23 <dahlia> and the disk was sitting on someone's desk for 5
2015-03-04 23:23 <Melanie_T> no, it was quite fun
2015-03-04 23:23 <Melanie_T> to vacation on the disk recovery money :P
2015-03-04 23:23 <smxy> lol
2015-03-04 23:23 <AllenKerensky> You should see the pictures of Melanie's tan and the limbo competition trophy
2015-03-04 23:23 <smxy> hahaha
2015-03-04 23:24 <justincc> BlueWall: the suggestion is to make those description column modifies a no-op, thuogh I'm not sure how easy that is in the migrations file
2015-03-04 23:24 <justincc> they don't do being commit
2015-03-04 23:24 <Melanie_T> it just has to read
2015-03-04 23:24 <Melanie_T> :VERSION XX
2015-03-04 23:24 <Melanie_T>    begin;
2015-03-04 23:24 <Melanie_T>    commit;
2015-03-04 23:24 <justincc> actually there do have being commit elsewhere
2015-03-04 23:24 <Melanie_T> the alter table line between them simply needs to be removed
2015-03-04 23:25 <dahlia> are those fields variable length?
2015-03-04 23:26 <smxy> varchar (in mysql anyway)
2015-03-04 23:26 <ftcodes> which makes it even more expensive on alter
2015-03-04 23:26 <AllenKerensky> :VERSION XX  BEGIN; # the first rule of asset table is don't mess with asset table COMMIT;
2015-03-04 23:27 <Melanie_T> yup
2015-03-04 23:27 <ftcodes> Allen that is a comment being well-suited there
2015-03-04 23:27 <AllenKerensky> eat at joes, this space for rent, etc
2015-03-04 23:28 <dahlia> ewww Joes is horrid. I prefer Bobs
2015-03-04 23:28 <ftcodes> how about Tony?
2015-03-04 23:28 <ftcodes> like in Tony Stark ;)
2015-03-04 23:28 <dahlia> <.<  >.>
2015-03-04 23:29 <BlueWall> ok, if we make it a no-op, then the next migration will just be performed fo all who did and did-not run this. So, should be ok, right?
2015-03-04 23:29 <ftcodes> only action is migration counting nothing more
2015-03-04 23:30 <smxy> your not incrementing the migration number, right? Just changing what it does?
2015-03-04 23:30 <ftcodes> but either revert the MAX_ASSET_DESCRIPTION length or remove putting that into db at all
2015-03-04 23:30 <BlueWall> right smxy
2015-03-04 23:30 <justincc> BlueWall: yes.  I am testing this blank being/commit thing right now
2015-03-04 23:30 <BlueWall> ok
2015-03-04 23:30 <justincc> seeing as I hadn't actually run services to update my db
2015-03-04 23:30 <smxy> So I suffer through this, taking one for the team, lol, but I'll look up to date when I update next.
2015-03-04 23:30 <zadark> What a guy
2015-03-04 23:31 <smxy> LOL
2015-03-04 23:31 <justincc> lots of ppl out there may have updated already
2015-03-04 23:31 <justincc> this makes me think anything involving migrations should be on a branch for a little while
2015-03-04 23:31 <BlueWall> ++
2015-03-04 23:31 <smxy> Maybe they have faster database servers than I do. :)
2015-03-04 23:31 <dahlia> OMG I just realized I have a 12gb sqlite asset table on my windoze laptop where I develop
2015-03-04 23:31 <AllenKerensky> +1
2015-03-04 23:31 <BlueWall> I was way to busy this am to aplpy that, but I did anyway :s
2015-03-04 23:32 <dahlia> :P
2015-03-04 23:32 <zadark> In all fairness everyone missed it, 
2015-03-04 23:32 <smxy> Sh*t happens. :)
2015-03-04 23:32 <dahlia> 
ACTION prepares the dungeon and buys Melanie_T a new corset...

2015-03-04 23:32 <BlueWall> That will be a rule of thumb for me - migrations sit in a branch to be tested by the fearless
2015-03-04 23:32 <zadark> except smxy
2015-03-04 23:32 <dahlia> BlueWall: better run while you can
2015-03-04 23:32 <zadark> who is very professional
2015-03-04 23:33 <smxy> It wasn't his, he just signed off on it.
2015-03-04 23:33 <BlueWall> run? I'm armed and dangerous,lol
2015-03-04 23:33 <dahlia> lol
2015-03-04 23:33 <smxy> Remember, he's from Texas.
2015-03-04 23:33 <ftcodes> armed with assets? ;)
2015-03-04 23:33 <justincc> alright, does work for mysql
2015-03-04 23:33 <BlueWall> No South Carolina
2015-03-04 23:33 <zadark> Have your back covered Bluewall.. run
2015-03-04 23:33 <dahlia> armed with commit access
2015-03-04 23:33 <justincc> now I have to try bloody pgsql
2015-03-04 23:33 <justincc> which everybody seems so keen on
2015-03-04 23:33 <BlueWall> shss, lol Dahlia
2015-03-04 23:34 <Melanie_T> justincc: it is HIGHLY unlikely that anyone has run this against pgsql yet
2015-03-04 23:34 <BlueWall> justincc, I had started working on that when my dev server exploded.
2015-03-04 23:34 <Melanie_T> they should have the least issues with this being a NOP
2015-03-04 23:34 <justincc> yeah, I want to make sure the NOP works
2015-03-04 23:34 <Melanie_T> or even completely removed as a migration number
2015-03-04 23:34 <justincc> ironically, I have run it - I forgot I was configured for pgsql
2015-03-04 23:34 <AllenKerensky> what commit was this that was the problem?
2015-03-04 23:34 <Melanie_T> awwww
2015-03-04 23:34 <BlueWall> PgSQL users making a lot of noies these days
2015-03-04 23:35 <smxy> more than one, AllenKerensky
2015-03-04 23:35 <smxy> look for cinders recent commits.
2015-03-04 23:35 <AllenKerensky> I see two from today
2015-03-04 23:35 <AllenKerensky> and ... 3 more earlier
2015-03-04 23:35 <smxy> thats all of them
2015-03-04 23:35 <AllenKerensky> so just avoid today's commits?
2015-03-04 23:35 <Melanie_T> well, with mssql gone and people being uncertain about my vs maria
2015-03-04 23:35 <dahlia> there is a bounty coming up for some pgsql fixes
2015-03-04 23:36 <Melanie_T> they're probably deciding to try pg
2015-03-04 23:36 <justincc> I don't think the db is often a problem
2015-03-04 23:36 <BlueWall> pg has always been a solid database
2015-03-04 23:36 <AllenKerensky> people have been uncertain about mysql since borgacle assimilated it - which is where maria came from
2015-03-04 23:36 <AllenKerensky> the floss distros seem to be pretty much all on maria now
2015-03-04 23:36 <Melanie_T> that is what i meant
2015-03-04 23:37 <Melanie_T> does mg still have the users in a flat file?
2015-03-04 23:37 <Melanie_T> pg*
2015-03-04 23:37 <justincc> BlueWall: alright, it apears to work.  I can make this change but I woul dhave to ask you to look after it
2015-03-04 23:37 <Melanie_T> because that is the part i liked least
2015-03-04 23:37 <justincc> or you can do it, or I can pass you the patch, etc.
2015-03-04 23:37 <Melanie_T> restarting to add a user
2015-03-04 23:37 <BlueWall> ok
2015-03-04 23:37 <dahlia> the my/maria thing is prolly mostly political tho
2015-03-04 23:37 <justincc> BlueWall: I will make the change?
2015-03-04 23:37 <AllenKerensky> some people do not like Borgacle
2015-03-04 23:38 <dahlia> Im not a oracle fan either but I dont hate them
2015-03-04 23:38 <BlueWall> if you have made it already and it's just a push, go ahead. Else I can do one up.
2015-03-04 23:38 <AllenKerensky> have you ever negotiated licensing with them?
2015-03-04 23:38 <AllenKerensky> I am guessing not hehe
2015-03-04 23:38 <dahlia> AllenKerensky: no I used other vendors whenever I did any database stuff :)
2015-03-04 23:39 <smxy> This migration is still going. I wonder how may hours it will take ...
2015-03-04 23:39 <dahlia> *cough* informix *cough*
2015-03-04 23:39 <AllenKerensky> yeah in 2010 the last I had to deal with them - they had roughly 12 lawyers per engineer...
2015-03-04 23:39 <dahlia> mmmm HP :D
2015-03-04 23:39 <AllenKerensky> so... the migration was to add 2 columns that didn't need to be there
2015-03-04 23:39 <AllenKerensky> and now you're dropping them?
2015-03-04 23:40 <smxy> hey, it just finished - 1 hour 5 minutes.
2015-03-04 23:40 <justincc> no, the only migration is to change the width of the description column
2015-03-04 23:40 <BlueWall> altering 
2015-03-04 23:40 <AllenKerensky> ouch... that's expensive if you're using InnoDB and full ACID commits
2015-03-04 23:40 <AllenKerensky> ah okay
2015-03-04 23:40 <justincc> that arguable doesn't need to exist, though I can imagine some uses for that kind of thing
2015-03-04 23:40 <justincc> which I had thought about but not seriously
2015-03-04 23:40 <dahlia> so is the faulty migration gone? or is it going to migrate back and forth?
2015-03-04 23:41 <justincc> no, I am having to redo my change
2015-03-04 23:41 <justincc> I spelt BEGIN as BEING...
2015-03-04 23:41 <justincc> I am too tired for this really
2015-03-04 23:41 <AllenKerensky> probably better to make on purpose schema changes for those ideas, justin
2015-03-04 23:41 <justincc> well, as we can see, schema changes are a nightmare on assets anyway
2015-03-04 23:42 <AllenKerensky> yeah that's why I dropped using a database table for myriad long ago
2015-03-04 23:42 <ftcodes> the only solution is to leave it as it is
2015-03-04 23:42 <AllenKerensky> I kept having to change so much over time
2015-03-04 23:42 <ftcodes> there are grids with such tables in the Terra Byte range
2015-03-04 23:42 <dahlia> myriad?
2015-03-04 23:42 <BlueWall> yes, assets takes a good deal of time to even search.
2015-03-04 23:43 <ftcodes> the uuid is not that bad because of the index
2015-03-04 23:43 <ftcodes> but anything else is awful
2015-03-04 23:43 <justincc> if ppl hadn't been such idiots in the first place and had made things consistent we wouldn't have this trouble...
2015-03-04 23:43 <ftcodes> but luckily seldomly needed
2015-03-04 23:44 <dahlia> I wrote a DBMS for a college project. One would think it's a simple concept but nooooooo.... so many sleepless nights getting it all to work :(
2015-03-04 23:44 <ftcodes> it becomes a real nightmare when optimizing nested inner joins
2015-03-04 23:44 <dahlia> I didnt do sql model
2015-03-04 23:45 <dahlia> but I had a nice spreadsheet-style query tool that was a few years before m$oft did it for access :D
2015-03-04 23:46 <AllenKerensky> .. and now you know why Excel spreadsheets run most of the fortune whatever companies hehehe
2015-03-04 23:46 <smxy> So the code change here: 7913417683f82c6228b0dd017dc5a37765a57053 is what started it. Does that need to change too?
2015-03-04 23:47 <ftcodes> that is necessary because there will be the one with 64 characters at hand
2015-03-04 23:47 <ftcodes> so the MAX_ASSET_DESC needs to be changed back to 64. Otherwise, it will produce insert into failures
2015-03-04 23:48 <smxy> That's what I thought.
2015-03-04 23:48 <justincc> BlueWall: alright I'mwaytoo tried to dealwith this now, I wil have to pass the existing patch to you
2015-03-04 23:48 <dahlia> mine database was modeled after http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=808
2015-03-04 23:48 <justincc> sorry, otherwise I'mtooprone to making amistake
2015-03-04 23:48 <dahlia> *my
2015-03-04 23:48 <BlueWall> ok justin. email?
2015-03-04 23:48 <dahlia> none of that b+tree crap
2015-03-04 23:48 <Melanie_T> mysql silently truncates
2015-03-04 23:49 <ftcodes> not always , had also thought that
2015-03-04 23:49 <ftcodes> it would do
2015-03-04 23:50 <justincc> BlueWall: http://pastebin.com/F44phtWA
2015-03-04 23:50 <justincc> as you can see, just replacing the alters with blank transactions, which does work
2015-03-04 23:50 <BlueWall> ok justin, thanks. 
2015-03-04 23:50 <justincc> but I guess you may have to revert that max desc thing as well.  None of that should make a different for storing description stuff which is actually done in inventory columns
2015-03-04 23:51 <justincc> actually, the OARs and IARs ignore the asset name and description entirely....
2015-03-04 23:51 <justincc> amusingly, putting in invalid sql makes opensim complain but it still registers as having done the migratino
2015-03-04 23:51 <justincc> which I guess makes sense
2015-03-04 23:51 <ftcodes> they change it to "Imported by IAR" or "Imported by OAR"
2015-03-04 23:51 <justincc> yeah, which is kind of dumb on reflection
2015-03-04 23:51 <justincc> would be better blanking probably - I'm not sure that's useful
2015-03-04 23:52 <justincc> sometimes it can be useful for debugging, perhaps if it actualy put more info
2015-03-04 23:52 <justincc> I dunno
2015-03-04 23:52 <ftcodes> a few serialization set the asset name and description still relating to the inventory name and description
2015-03-04 23:52 <smxy> Go to bed, justincc :)
2015-03-04 23:53 <justincc> yep, coupel of minutes :)
2015-03-04 23:56 <ftcodes> have a nice night
2015-03-04 23:58 <smxy> So, if I want to free up some space, I can, at my lesiure, just run a manual alter table to shrink the column back, yes?
2015-03-04 23:59 <justincc> that will take just as long.  I can't imagine empty columns take any space
2015-03-04 23:59 <justincc> though I am no db expert
2015-03-04 23:59 <smxy> That's why I said at my lesiure. When I have it down for other work.
2015-03-05 00:01 <justincc> alright that's it, goodnight folks
2015-03-05 00:03 <dahlia> was ftcodes freakytech?
2015-03-05 00:03 <danbanner> ya
2015-03-05 00:03 <zadark> still is
2015-03-05 00:03 <dahlia> ya but not here
2015-03-05 00:03 <dahlia> not here now
2015-03-05 00:03 <zadark> k
2015-03-05 00:05 <smxy> I suspect that what prompted this, was messages like this, which perhaps whould be killed instead of printed: 22:27:50 - [ASSET DB]: Description 'Your Parcel, Smxy (128, 128, 22) - Moderate @ http://sanctuary.homelinux.org:4000' for asset 84e9f51c-b4eb-4afd-8061-5b7c14f689dd truncated from 81 to 64 characters on add
2015-03-05 00:06 <smxy> If the field is never used, why tell anyone the data was truncated?
2015-03-05 00:10 <zadark> As I understand from the viewer prospective is that people created a description which on the next login truncated to 64 chars. 
2015-03-05 00:12 <smxy> Melanie_T says nothing uses the Description field in the DB. Assuming that's correct, then there's no point int logging that the data stored into the field was truncated. The viewer is maybe looking at a different Description field in another table? Inventory, perhaps?
2015-03-05 00:13 <smxy> s/DB/asset table/
2015-03-05 00:14 <smxy> or maybe prims
2015-03-05 00:14 <smxy> Getting out of my depth now.
2015-03-05 00:15 <BlueWall> i sthat from a dynamic texture generator smxy?
2015-03-05 00:15 <BlueWall> *is that*
2015-03-05 00:16 <smxy> dunno, just saw it fly by in my Diva Distro region. I'd have to go dig.
2015-03-05 00:17 <BlueWall> I would say that it probably is, and those are destined for the local asset cache.
2015-03-05 00:17 <AliciaRaven> usualy its landmarks that give that warning
2015-03-05 00:18 <smxy> okay, then maybe I fed you a red herring on that one. :)
2015-03-05 00:18 <BlueWall> no smxy, I see that a lot and it's from a dynamic texture generator.
2015-03-05 00:18 <BlueWall> AliciaRaven, ok
2015-03-05 00:19 <nebadon> that description above looks like a landmark to me
2015-03-05 00:19 <zadark> The mantis summary: 0007476: Prim descirptions truncated to 64 bytes
2015-03-05 00:20 <AliciaRaven> yes, long parcel name plus region name and hg url makes lankmarks get truncated all the time
2015-03-05 00:20 <smxy> I looked at the log. Someone HG TP'd into that region and then that happened a few moments later. They probably made a landmark. :)
2015-03-05 00:20 <BlueWall> ++
2015-03-05 00:25 <smxy> zadark: Perhaps that migration should have been made to a different table then. But I'd imagine growing a filed like that in prims (for example) would be just as painful.
2015-03-05 00:25 <Melanie_T> the issue causing the changes in SL's name and description field lengths was to make people use actual names (shortening name) and allowing them to store small amounts of data in the description (extending description from 64 to 128
2015-03-05 00:26 <Melanie_T> it had becoe a prooblem that people were using name and description of objects to store data
2015-03-05 00:26 <Melanie_T> making navigating the world less than pleasant for newbies because of the wierd numbers popping up in tooltops
2015-03-05 00:26 <smxy> Yeah, my gates store basic config in the description.
2015-03-05 00:26 <Melanie_T> so they made name too short to be anything but a name, really
2015-03-05 00:27 <Melanie_T> and doubled description
2015-03-05 00:27 <Melanie_T> to curb abuse of the name field for data storage
2015-03-05 00:27 <Melanie_T> that was during the time where they had already realized that they could not stop creative abuse of LSL for writing things much more complex than the disigners envisioned
2015-03-05 00:28 <Melanie_T> as the original few thought LSL was good maybe for a door or so
2015-03-05 00:28 <Melanie_T> the users showed them different
2015-03-05 00:32 <smxy> Users are funny like that. :)
2015-03-05 00:34 <smxy> Oh, and as you folks explained, my gates work just fine with the security fix in place.
2015-03-05 00:38 <zadark> I can imagine the viewer people will be first in line for missing descriptions.
2015-03-05 00:38 <AllenKerensky> hehe I use prim name and description as key,column fields for HUD data
2015-03-05 00:38 <zadark> complaints that is
2015-03-05 00:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #4092 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-05 00:42 <smxy> Thanks, BlueWall.
2015-03-05 00:43 <BlueWall> sure.
2015-03-05 00:43 <BlueWall> I ran it on my grid before pushing.
2015-03-05 00:45 <smxy> Good idea. :)
2015-03-05 00:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4092: SUCCESS in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4092/
2015-03-05 00:45 <osjenkins> bluewall: Alter the migrations so that it is a no-op as the columns are unused and the operation is very expensive
2015-03-05 00:45 <BlueWall> I have to take off for food but I'm mobile (BlueDroidx) in case someone needs to contact me.
2015-03-05 00:46 <BlueWall> I'll be logged in here as well, but AFK
2015-03-05 00:46 <smxy> Enjoy dinner. :)
2015-03-05 00:46 <BlueWall> will be quick - but thanks :)
2015-03-05 00:47 <zadark> smxy: Is your update still running?
2015-03-05 00:48 <smxy> It finished.
2015-03-05 00:48 <zadark> ok
2015-03-05 00:48 <smxy> The migration took 65 minutes.
2015-03-05 00:49 <zadark> how many records do you have, if you don't mind me asking?
2015-03-05 00:51 <smxy> let me go look
2015-03-05 00:52 <zadark> I just updated a robust and 2 regions using mysql and things seem to start up ok. 
2015-03-05 00:55 <smxy> 205,929
2015-03-05 00:56 <smxy> including the last commit?
2015-03-05 00:56 <smxy> that would have not updated anything.
2015-03-05 00:57 <smxy> all it would have done is bump up the migration number.
2015-03-05 00:57 <zadark> ok, some simple arthmetic, how many records/rows per unit of time
2015-03-05 00:58 <smxy> 3,168.14 per minute
2015-03-05 00:58 <smxy> 52.8 per second
2015-03-05 00:59 <smxy> I've never claimed to have the fastest DB around. :)
2015-03-05 01:00 <zadark> yes, and can extrapolate how much time per 1meg of rows, assuming the timing is linear.
2015-03-05 01:00 <smxy> You have a calculator - knock yourself out. :)
2015-03-05 01:01 <zadark> mental arthmetic man :)
2015-03-05 01:03 <smxy> Oh, I've always sucked at that. :)
2015-03-05 01:54 <osmantis> Bug #7484:04 Region object bonus factor incorrect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7484 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-05 02:56 <dahlia> so shouldnt there be a migration for inventory? I dont see one running when updating
2015-03-05 02:58 <BlueWall> it only touched assets/xassets
2015-03-05 02:59 <dahlia> but I thought it was stored in inventory?
2015-03-05 02:59 <BlueWall> the original patches only made changes to the [x]assets tables
2015-03-05 03:00 <dahlia> so its still not fixed then?
2015-03-05 03:00 <BlueWall> should be.
2015-03-05 03:00 <dahlia> but but but
2015-03-05 03:00 <dahlia> 
ACTION looks confuzzled...

2015-03-05 03:01 <BlueWall> I mean, I guess the Desc. length is still only 64
2015-03-05 03:01 <dahlia> ah
2015-03-05 03:47 <danbanner> `inventoryName` varchar(64) default NULL,
2015-03-05 03:47 <danbanner> `inventoryDescription` varchar(128) default NULL,
2015-03-05 03:58 <nebadon_laptop> It could be a different between UTF-8 and other formats
2015-03-05 03:58 <nebadon_laptop> why it truncates
2015-03-05 03:58 <nebadon_laptop> i recall something like that happening before
2015-03-05 03:59 <nebadon_laptop> we had a similar issue with HG urls i recall not fitting into fields they should have fit into
2015-03-05 04:00 <nebadon_laptop> like latin1 vs utf8
2015-03-05 04:00 <nebadon_laptop> I think ossearch also had similar problems
2015-03-05 04:01 <nebadon_laptop> differen versions of mysql and mariadb have different defaults on certain platforms it differs as well
2015-03-05 04:01 <nebadon_laptop> like windows v linux
2015-03-05 04:01 <nebadon_laptop> if we are not specifynig a charset at creation mysql assumes its default
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2015-03-05 14:53 <zadark> Interesting, the TTL problem has surfaced on some newly acquired services hosted in Germany. Maybe how their network has evolved.. more routers.. good timing with the fix freaky.
2015-03-05 14:54 <smxy> Yeah, I'm hoping I'll have less issues with grids across the pond now.
2015-03-05 14:56 <zadark> This is the error as per Opensim logs. ERROR - OpenMetaverse.OpenSimUDPBase [UDPBASE]: Error processing UDP end receive 563583, socket error code 10052.
2015-03-05 15:22 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-05 19:11 <justincc> hey BlueWall
2015-03-05 19:15 <BlueWall> hey justin
2015-03-05 19:16 <justincc> was there a decision not to revert those asset column changes in the end?
2015-03-05 19:17 <BlueWall> hmm, I just made the migration a no-op so people that have not seen this yet will be bypassed.
2015-03-05 19:17 <BlueWall> do you think they need to be?
2015-03-05 19:18 <justincc> BlueWall: ah I see it, for some reason my master didn't update
2015-03-05 19:18 <justincc> my mistake
2015-03-05 19:18 <BlueWall> is ok.
2015-03-05 20:21 <osmantis> Bug #7485:04 HG IM and HG Friends are not always working correctly due to broken data in GridUser 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7485 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-05 20:21 <osmantis> Bug #7485:04 HG IM and HG Friends are not always working correctly due to broken data in GridUser 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7485 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-05 20:21 <ftcodes> there you go
2015-03-05 20:21 <ftcodes> the improvements on the HG UUI handling
2015-03-05 20:34 <osmantis> Bug #7485:04 HG IM and HG Friends are not always working correctly due to broken data in GridUser 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7485 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-05 20:50 <smxy> ftcodes: Will that patch work between patched and unpatched grids, or must both be patched?
2015-03-05 20:50 <ftcodes> it is a simulator side patch
2015-03-05 20:51 <ftcodes> so it is the sim that is relevant
2015-03-05 20:51 <ftcodes> it does not introduce incompatibility on the protocol
2015-03-05 20:51 <smxy> If it goes in, will I still be able to communicate with people who are not running dev master code?
2015-03-05 20:52 <ftcodes> yes
2015-03-05 20:52 <smxy> okay, then it should work.
2015-03-05 20:52 <smxy> thanks
2015-03-05 20:52 <ftcodes> I do it all a long
2015-03-05 20:52 <BlueWall> I'm kicking the tires on it right now :)
2015-03-05 20:52 <smxy> Good.
2015-03-05 20:52 <ftcodes> Blue test it before commit
2015-03-05 20:52 <ftcodes> I had to adjust it for opensim-git
2015-03-05 20:52 <smxy> I think he just said he is. :)
2015-03-05 20:52 <BlueWall> I have it on my grid.
2015-03-05 20:53 <ftcodes> add some falsified data like local GridUser entry for HG 
2015-03-05 20:53 <ftcodes> visitor
2015-03-05 20:53 <ftcodes> and things like that
2015-03-05 20:53 <smxy> Well, it couldn't work a whole lot worse than it does now. :)
2015-03-05 20:53 <BlueWall> right now I'm looking at the objects
2015-03-05 20:53 <BlueWall> lol ,smxy
2015-03-05 20:54 <ftcodes> and one part dan will like is that it does not add false HG entries for grid residents ;)
2015-03-05 20:54 <BlueWall> you know, we started seeing the unknow user about the time we did the display names thing - but I was seeing bots here with it.
2015-03-05 20:54 <BlueWall> I had 2 var region withinn the same space as some regular regions.
2015-03-05 20:54 <ftcodes> the module separates entries in two categories
2015-03-05 20:55 <ftcodes> unauthoritative and authoritative
2015-03-05 20:55 <BlueWall> after moving the regions out a ways, it is all good.
2015-03-05 20:55 <ftcodes> and authoritative are separated by UserAccounts and GridUser
2015-03-05 20:56 <BlueWall> I guess GridUser is about the only way to get Hg users info right now
2015-03-05 20:56 <ftcodes> yes it is the only source
2015-03-05 20:56 <ftcodes> but a bad source for grid resident data
2015-03-05 20:56 <BlueWall> I made a little change today in the llGiveInventory to use it to resolve them.
2015-03-05 20:57 <BlueWall> That way, network vendors will wrk for the Hg visitors.
2015-03-05 20:57 <ftcodes> it also introduces problems to llGiveInventory when false data is taken for being valid
2015-03-05 20:58 <BlueWall> Yes, I didn't push it yet.
2015-03-05 20:58 <ftcodes> just the list was too long to remember all possible functions that get problems based on false data
2015-03-05 21:00 <ftcodes> llGiveInventory and several more functions are actually affected when broken GridUser data is used
2015-03-05 21:02 <BlueWall> it is the only source sometimes. 
2015-03-05 21:02 <ftcodes> yes, and sometimes you find broken data
2015-03-05 21:02 <BlueWall> I guess the thing is to see about making sure we put good data in there?
2015-03-05 21:03 <ftcodes> yes, that is another part it does
2015-03-05 21:03 <ftcodes> it is a two-way solution
2015-03-05 21:03 <ftcodes> being tolerant on false data without accepting it
2015-03-05 21:03 <ftcodes> not producing false data based on other data
2015-03-05 21:04 <BlueWall> examples?
2015-03-05 21:04 <ftcodes> especially in conjunction with functions like SetHomePosition
2015-03-05 21:04 <smxy> Diva must have had a reson for doing that though ...
2015-03-05 21:04 <smxy> reason*
2015-03-05 21:04 <ftcodes> you have a person with a broken HGFriend entry
2015-03-05 21:04 <ftcodes> looking like a local account
2015-03-05 21:05 <ftcodes> that person is disabling HG IM and HG Friend status
2015-03-05 21:05 <ftcodes> and several other functions
2015-03-05 21:05 <ftcodes> the longer grid user entry for HG UUI overrules but some grids tend to clean up the griduser
2015-03-05 21:05 <ftcodes> after some time
2015-03-05 21:06 <ftcodes> my personal example was a local resident entry in HG UUI for the account in my grid
2015-03-05 21:06 <smxy> Broken HG Friends entries drives me nuts. Every time I go to Kitely or Craft, I'm asked to accept the same friend request from a local user on each grid. It makes me not want to go there, because it happens EVERY TIME.
2015-03-05 21:06 <ftcodes> arks the griduser of OSG hold a local resident entry in griduser for my HG visiting account
2015-03-05 21:07 <ftcodes> smxy that is another issue yet is commonly triggered by that GridUser problem too
2015-03-05 21:08 <smxy> It seems to only happen to me when I go to a grid, where I also have a local avatar of the same name, and someone there friends my HG avatar.
2015-03-05 21:08 <BlueWall> I don't know if there is a safe way to send the confirmation messasges real time and just take care of it then and there.
2015-03-05 21:08 <BlueWall> If you crash before getting back it seems to throw a wrench in thnigs.
2015-03-05 21:09 <ftcodes> got a lot of "I do not like that thing" reports from people
2015-03-05 21:09 <ftcodes> with the away friendship message
2015-03-05 21:09 <ftcodes> because of the issues it holds
2015-03-05 21:09 <nebadon_laptop> the double message thing?
2015-03-05 21:09 <ftcodes> yes
2015-03-05 21:10 <nebadon_laptop> yea Im not sure there is a good solution to that
2015-03-05 21:10 <ftcodes> because it fails when you do two teleports on the same grid as a HG visitor
2015-03-05 21:10 <nebadon_laptop> oh
2015-03-05 21:10 <nebadon_laptop> it shouldnt
2015-03-05 21:10 <nebadon_laptop> that is wierd
2015-03-05 21:11 <ftcodes> it is because changing data is used for checking the new_friendship message
2015-03-05 21:11 <ftcodes> so they got out of sync 
2015-03-05 21:11 <ftcodes> I described it once in a mantis
2015-03-05 21:12 <ftcodes> here it is http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6863
2015-03-05 21:12 <nebadon_laptop> ok
2015-03-05 21:12 <ftcodes> and the actual note is here: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6769
2015-03-05 21:13 <nebadon_laptop> I will pass this along to diva
2015-03-05 21:13 <ftcodes> specifically there: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6769#c24941
2015-03-05 21:13 <BlueWall> this is working fine as far as I can tell.
2015-03-05 21:14 <nebadon_laptop> ok diva knows now
2015-03-05 21:14 <nebadon_laptop> she responded and will look soonish she has 10 more days of hell before her sabatacle starts
2015-03-05 21:16 <BlueWall> haa
2015-03-05 21:16 <nebadon_laptop> she responded with "Justin Broke it" then "JK"
2015-03-05 21:16 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2015-03-05 21:17 <BlueWall> hehe
2015-03-05 21:18 <ftcodes> it is over-done security in it
2015-03-05 21:19 <ftcodes> and I know one thing most people I have had chats with about cared more about the functioning than about who broke it
2015-03-05 21:22 <osmantis> Bug #7485:04 HG IM and HG Friends are not always working correctly due to broken data in GridUser 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7485 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-05 21:24 <BlueWall> If someone broke it, they were probably fixing two or three other things anyway :)
2015-03-05 21:24 <ftcodes> sadly the layered cake of bugs alows easy uncovering of other bugs
2015-03-05 21:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #4093 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-05 21:26 <smxy> That's good, because then they can get fixed too.
2015-03-05 21:27 <smxy> I still wish we could convince everyone to not add anything new for an entire year and just spend the time crushing every bug they can.
2015-03-05 21:28 <ftcodes> I did that since May 2014
2015-03-05 21:29 <ftcodes> hunting all kinds of bugs
2015-03-05 21:29 <ftcodes> performance breaks, name resolution issues, teleporting problems what ever
2015-03-05 21:29 <ftcodes> on my fork code
2015-03-05 21:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4093: FAILURE in 9 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4093/
2015-03-05 21:29 <osjenkins> bluewall: solving HG IM, HGFriends issues based on falsified GridUser data
2015-03-05 21:30 <BlueWall> thanks for sending this stuff back 
2015-03-05 21:31 <ftcodes> I expected that the tests may fail based on the filters
2015-03-05 21:33 <ftcodes> clear the test harness does not have the griduser setup yet
2015-03-05 21:34 <BlueWall> it just run nant test, I think
2015-03-05 21:34 <BlueWall> so whatever tests are in the distribution are what gets run
2015-03-05 21:34 <ftcodes> I just looked at it. It has no GridUser dummy in it
2015-03-05 21:35 <BlueWall> ok
2015-03-05 21:35 <ftcodes> and it is providing a HG visitor entry
2015-03-05 21:35 <ftcodes> so GridUser is asked
2015-03-05 21:36 <ftcodes> that comes from the distrust towards externally provided data
2015-03-05 21:36 <ftcodes> only source left for HG UUI data in GridUser is robust itself
2015-03-05 21:37 <ftcodes> from the HG Teleport handling
2015-03-05 21:42 <ftcodes> btw: I found another source of suitable HG UUI entries but opensim table design does not allow easy access to it which is the creator data of inventoryitems
2015-03-05 21:49 <quill> anyone know what limits the playing of sound files to 10 sec,
2015-03-05 21:49 <quill> i uploaded a full wav soung manualy but inworld it cuts it off after 10 sec
2015-03-05 21:49 <ftcodes> the viewer
2015-03-05 21:50 <quill> any idea what source file might have this information?
2015-03-05 21:54 <ftcodes> not sure where to look for that atm
2015-03-05 21:56 <quill> ok ty
2015-03-05 21:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #4094 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4092 21 hr ago)
2015-03-05 22:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4094: STILL FAILING in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4094/
2015-03-05 22:03 <osjenkins> bluewall: Give llGiveInventory a way to querry Hypergrid visitors so network vendors are able to give items to Hg visitors
2015-03-05 22:04 <BlueWall> ftcodes, can you look at the test and see if we can refactor it to pass?
2015-03-05 22:06 <ftcodes> have not followed up the testing harness recently that way so I have them done on my fork in a completely different way
2015-03-05 22:08 <ftcodes> filled a sim with testing objects over time
2015-03-05 22:08 <BlueWall> ++
2015-03-05 22:09 <BlueWall> but, if something changes in the way it tests in numit, it breaks everything here.
2015-03-05 22:10 <ftcodes> it needs a NullGridUser thing in OpenSim.Data.Null
2015-03-05 22:10 <smxy> What do you mean by "network vendors", BlueWall? I go to other grids and get stuff from vendors now, so I'm not sure I understand.
2015-03-05 22:11 <BlueWall> the vendors  are in the same sim as you
2015-03-05 22:11 <ftcodes> I probably get a simpler idea for making the test work as it wants just to test correct storing entries
2015-03-05 22:12 <BlueWall> this pertains to things like the "Magic Box" vendors used in SL
2015-03-05 22:13 <smxy> Oh, not where you just left click on something and buy it?
2015-03-05 22:14 <smxy> 
ACTION isn't a big shopper. :)

2015-03-05 22:14 <Bwild> doesnt the s/l market place use direct delivery now?
2015-03-05 22:14 <BlueWall> not to OpenSim regions
2015-03-05 22:14 <smxy> Kitely does.
2015-03-05 22:15 <smxy> I buy tons of stuff from there and it's delivered right to me on my grid.
2015-03-05 22:15 <smxy> There's a guy in England whose food I'm buying, I think. :)
2015-03-05 22:16 <smxy> Every month. :)
2015-03-05 22:17 <osmantis> Bug #7486:04 HG User Management test does not setup GridUser harness. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7486 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-05 22:17 <osmantis> Bug #7486:04 HG User Management test does not setup GridUser harness. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7486 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007485.
2015-03-05 22:17 <osmantis> Bug #7485:04 HG IM and HG Friends are not always working correctly due to broken data in GridUser 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7485 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007486.
2015-03-05 22:17 <osmantis> Bug #7486:04 HG User Management test does not setup GridUser harness. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7486 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-05 22:18 <ftcodes> after seeomg the test I noticed that its purpose was just to test the caching of that entry
2015-03-05 22:18 <BlueWall> thanks
2015-03-05 22:19 <ftcodes> made the UMM tolerant to that test environment with that patch
2015-03-05 22:21 <ftcodes> I guess the old one was just tolerant to that too
2015-03-05 22:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #4095 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4092 21 hr ago)
2015-03-05 22:29 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-03-05 22:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4095: FIXED in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4095/
2015-03-05 22:29 <osjenkins> bluewall: adjusted new UserManagementModule to accept the HG UUI test harness
2015-03-05 22:30 <BlueWall> ok ftcodes, awesome - thanks.
2015-03-05 22:31 <ftcodes> I value the communication I have with sim owners and others pretty high because it brought a lot of issues to my attention
2015-03-05 22:31 <BlueWall> ++
2015-03-05 22:35 <smxy> It's nice to see you giving some of your changes back to Core. I've been pulling your code for a while now, looking at the things you were changing. It's nice to get stuff fixed.
2015-03-05 22:35 <smxy> ftcodes: ^^
2015-03-05 22:36 <ftcodes> there are quite some people nowadays running their sims on that
2015-03-05 22:36 <smxy> Thanks for the fixes. :)
2015-03-05 22:41 <ftcodes> the bug fixes help all who use a sim
2015-03-05 22:42 <ftcodes> I had also given the thoughts about what happens when a user of my fork wanders around HG
2015-03-05 22:42 <ftcodes> I have established some expectance due to the fixes
2015-03-05 22:44 <zadark> ftcodes, nice timing with the TTL update, some services moved to servers hosted in germany. V
2015-03-05 22:44 <zadark> OpenMetaverse.OpenSimUDPBase [UDPBASE]: Error processing UDP end receive 563583, socket error code 10052.
2015-03-05 22:45 <smxy> On a totally unrelated note. I think I've hoisted myself by my own petard. :)
2015-03-05 22:46 <zadark> Was it painful?
2015-03-05 22:47 <smxy> I've avoided shovelling my driveway this Winter, because I have a high-clearance Subaru and just drove back and forth over it. But we've gotten so much snow this week, that I'm not sure I'll be able to get out of the garage, much less to the street. :) I might have to actually break down and shovel the top of it off.
2015-03-05 22:47 <ftcodes> actually just given thought about a capability fix I did
2015-03-05 22:47 <ftcodes> cannot live with seeing that GetMesh being that messy 
2015-03-05 22:48 <ftcodes> when checking things on opensim-git master code
2015-03-05 22:55 <osmantis> Bug #7487:04 GetMesh should not use base64 as intermediate format 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7487 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-05 22:55 <osmantis> Bug #7487:04 GetMesh should not use base64 as intermediate format 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7487 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-05 22:55 <ftcodes> viewers nowadays expect GetMesh2 behaviour unconditionally
2015-03-05 23:42 <nebadon_laptop> BlueWall i assume you are aware jenkins is failing?
2015-03-05 23:42 <nebadon_laptop> oh it is fixed
2015-03-05 23:42 <nebadon_laptop> nevermind
2015-03-05 23:42 <nebadon_laptop> i read wrong
2015-03-06 00:32 <BlueWall> yeah, I just waited on a patch to fix the tests
2015-03-06 01:29 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-06 01:47 <osmantis> Bug #7488:04 Flying plane on var region fails more often than not and causes sim to be unusable until restarted. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7488 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-06 01:48 <osmantis> Bug #7488:04 Flying plane on Bulletsim var region fails more often than not and causes sim to be unusable until restarted. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7488 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-06 03:00 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-06 03:19 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-06 03:49 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-03-06 08:43 <osmantis> Bug #7489:04 Setting login text in ROBUST to "" (blank) results in casting error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7489 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-06 09:24 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-06 09:25 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-06 15:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #4096 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2015-03-06 15:40 <osmantis> Bug #7487:04 GetMesh should not use base64 as intermediate format 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7487 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-03-06 15:41 <osmantis> Bug #7487:04 GetMesh should not use base64 as intermediate format 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7487 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-06 15:42 <osmantis> Bug #7486:04 HG User Management test does not setup GridUser harness. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7486 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-06 15:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4096: SUCCESS in 4 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4096/
2015-03-06 15:43 <osjenkins> bluewall: revised GetMesh to not use intermediate base64 coding scheme
2015-03-06 17:20 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports away from loaded var region often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-06 17:31 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports away from loaded var region often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-06 17:32 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports away from loaded var region often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-06 17:36 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is totally broke, & TPs away from loaded var to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-06 17:38 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is totally broke, & TPs away from loaded var to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): has been marked as UNRELATED TO issue 0007428.
2015-03-06 17:38 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious region teleport failure issues, sim and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): has been marked as UNRELATED TO issue 0007389.
2015-03-06 17:39 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is totally broke, & TPs away from loaded var to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2015-03-06 17:41 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is totally broke, & TPs away from loaded var to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-06 18:59 <puzzola> clear
2015-03-06 18:59 <puzzola> 
ACTION goes out to buy a new forward slash key

2015-03-06 19:34 <Ken_S> My AV has all kinds of issues teleporting or flying planes on vars.
2015-03-06 19:35 <Ken_S> I logged in with an old AV that has twice as many inventory items and no issues with that one at all.
2015-03-06 19:35 <Ken_S> Others say this same thing, but how can that be?
2015-03-06 19:36 <Ken_S> They are even wearing the same clothes.
2015-03-06 19:40 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is totally broke, & TPs away from loaded var to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-06 20:10 <BlueWall> Are these var regions separated or adjacent?
2015-03-06 20:11 <Ken_S> Separated are worse
2015-03-06 20:11 <BlueWall> I don't see any of these issues.
2015-03-06 20:12 <Ken_S> Look at the very last note in that mantis.
2015-03-06 20:12 <BlueWall> Teleports are quick between any type to any other type
2015-03-06 20:12 <BlueWall> local user, Hg user
2015-03-06 20:12 <Ken_S> That last note explains it
2015-03-06 20:13 <Ken_S> The AV that has the problems shows in osg as Ken Savage@hg.osgrid.org
2015-03-06 20:13 <Ken_S> My AV that has no issues shows without the hg.osgrid.org
2015-03-06 20:13 <BlueWall> I tested with an osg bluewall and a local bluewall
2015-03-06 20:15 <BlueWall> I dont' have an expensive avatar - especiallty the osg one
2015-03-06 20:15 <Ken_S> Expensive?
2015-03-06 20:15 <BlueWall> neither have a large inventory
2015-03-06 20:15 <BlueWall> Mesh, lots of textures, attachments, etc.
2015-03-06 20:15 <BlueWall> they travel pretty light.
2015-03-06 20:15 <Ken_S> The one that works without issues in OSG has an inventory twice the size of the AV that has problems
2015-03-06 20:16 <Ken_S> But all of this is local logins to OSG not HG.
2015-03-06 20:16 <BlueWall> is it an OSG issue?
2015-03-06 20:16 <Ken_S> Yes
2015-03-06 20:16 <BlueWall> I know with all the missing regions, then map thing brings a load 
2015-03-06 20:17 <Ken_S> I havent tested HG with this issue
2015-03-06 20:17 <BlueWall> I have been testing on my grid. I did jump from OSG.
2015-03-06 20:17 <BlueWall> If it is an OSG issue, then are the admins there looking at the mantis?
2015-03-06 20:18 <Ken_S> The 2 AVs existed in osg before the crash and all tests have been done with direct osgrid login
2015-03-06 20:18 <Ken_S> Hiro knows about it as of a few minutes ago.
2015-03-06 20:18 <BlueWall> Ok.
2015-03-06 20:18 <Ken_S> He has seen some of the issues on vars too he says, but maybe not as bad as me.
2015-03-06 20:19 <BlueWall> It says that "Teleports between 2 vars is totally broke," and  that is not the case for me.
2015-03-06 20:20 <BlueWall> And probably many others ...
2015-03-06 20:20 <Ken_S> That is the case for my main AV, but not the case for my ALT AV.
2015-03-06 20:20 <BlueWall> So, whate we really need is a recipe to reproduce it.
2015-03-06 20:20 <Ken_S> It seems the key difference is the AV itself.
2015-03-06 20:21 <Ken_S> If worse comes to worse, I'll just start using the alt AV for most things.
2015-03-06 20:22 <BlueWall> is it something with the Assets? Inventory? Friends?, Groups? etc, etc.
2015-03-06 20:23 <Ken_S> Yea, idk.
2015-03-06 20:23 <BlueWall> do the var region have any log messages related?
2015-03-06 20:23 <Ken_S> I may make an iar then delete all inventory.
2015-03-06 20:23 <BlueWall> That mantis is a year old?
2015-03-06 20:24 <Ken_S> There are bulletsim related messages.
2015-03-06 20:26 <Ken_S> The one about the teleports was from before osgrid crashed.
2015-03-06 20:26 <Ken_S> It has been updated and revised since then.
2015-03-06 20:26 <Ken_S> That issue has been around a long time, but I discovered today it is not an issue with the alt av
2015-03-06 20:28 <Ken_S> Mantis 7488 contains a log file from yesterday that is full of bulletsim error messages when flying a plane
2015-03-06 20:28 <Ken_S> I think the 2 mantis items are related because neither are an issue with the alt av
2015-03-06 20:31 <Ken_S> I take that back.  
2015-03-06 20:31 <Ken_S> After staying on the var quite a while,
2015-03-06 20:31 <Ken_S> The good AV can no longer TP to another var.
2015-03-06 20:32 <Ken_S> It times out.
2015-03-06 20:32 <Ken_S> It seems related to how long you stay on the var.
2015-03-06 22:52 <osmantis> Bug #7487:04 GetMesh should not use base64 as intermediate format 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7487 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-06 23:13 <osmantis> Bug #7487:04 GetMesh should not use base64 as intermediate format 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7487 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 00:07 <osmantis> Bug #3963:04 blank variable not preserved on re-rez/restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3963 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-07 00:21 <osmantis> Bug #7490:04 [PATCH] "help restart" message corrected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7490 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-07 00:21 <osmantis> Bug #7490:04 [PATCH] "help restart" message corrected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7490 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-07 00:22 <osmantis> Bug #7490:04 [PATCH] "help restart" message corrected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7490 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-07 01:00 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 01:49 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 02:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #4097 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-07 02:16 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 02:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4097: SUCCESS in 9 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4097/
2015-03-07 02:20 <osjenkins> bluewall: Remove references to MAX_ASSET_DESC from the dynamic texture module, hardcode to 128 as in other inventory modules.
2015-03-07 02:25 <Plugh> grrr... I can't get pull. Asks for a password and doesn't like anything I provide. I used to be able to pull from the user account I'm logged in as. Very puzzling.
2015-03-07 02:31 <BlueWall> the git repo?
2015-03-07 02:36 <Plugh> yeah
2015-03-07 02:37 <BlueWall> hmm, you have you key there?
2015-03-07 02:38 <Plugh> I have an entry for os.org in my known_hosts file under ~/.ssh
2015-03-07 02:39 <BlueWall> how about your .git/config in your local repo? the uri for the opensim repo?
2015-03-07 02:40 <Plugh> I think its ok.
2015-03-07 02:44 <Plugh> I'm sure I've pulled from the account before so I don't know why it would start asking for a passwor
2015-03-07 02:44 <Plugh> d
2015-03-07 02:44 <BlueWall> can you login to opensimulator.org with your key?
2015-03-07 02:44 <Plugh> ssh in to it?
2015-03-07 02:44 <BlueWall> yes
2015-03-07 02:45 <Plugh> No. It wants a password.
2015-03-07 02:45 <Plugh> Seems to be different from what I use for the os.org website.
2015-03-07 02:45 <BlueWall> is it possible that you've switched keys localy?
2015-03-07 02:46 <Plugh> No idea. Unless an update of ssh messed with the stored keys.
2015-03-07 02:47 <BlueWall> your git uri ssh://loginname@opensimulator.org/var/git/opensim
2015-03-07 02:48 <BlueWall> do you want me to look at your key? Maybe I can see what id is on it
2015-03-07 02:49 <Plugh> oh, its /var/git/opensim?
2015-03-07 02:50 <BlueWall> it is that uri there, just put your user name in it/
2015-03-07 02:50 <Plugh> ok, got it. Finally figured the password.
2015-03-07 02:50 <Plugh> I had /git/opensim (no /var)
2015-03-07 02:50 <Plugh> Added /var and tried a password I hadn't tried and it works now.
2015-03-07 02:51 <Plugh> Don't know why it stopped working. Perhaps the remote repo moved from /git to /var/git and I missed the notice about the change.
2015-03-07 02:52 <BlueWall> nahh, it has been the same
2015-03-07 02:52 <Plugh> ok. Now I can pull. It just isn't saving my password. I have to enter it each time.
2015-03-07 02:54 <Plugh> I don't remember how to have it save the git password
2015-03-07 02:56 <BlueWall> I think you can do that localy with ssh
2015-03-07 02:57 <BlueWall> look at ssh-add command
2015-03-07 03:02 <Plugh> I don't see anything in there about saving a password for the remote git repo
2015-03-07 03:06 <Plugh> Turns out some recent changes weren't pushed to 0.8-post-fixes but to a new branch called 0.8.1-post-fixes.  :P
2015-03-07 03:17 <smxy> Bluewall - that was for the LM truncating?
2015-03-07 03:18 <BlueWall> that was for dynamic textures - I'll look at the landmarks real quick (they probably need more than the 128 bytes for HG)
2015-03-07 03:20 <BlueWall> can you tell me where they cutoff?
2015-03-07 03:21 <smxy> Oh, I never looked.
2015-03-07 03:21 <BlueWall> probably 128
2015-03-07 03:24 <BlueWall> `inventoryDescription` varchar(128) default NULL,
2015-03-07 03:33 <BlueWall> yeah, we can blow through the 128 bytes easily for a hg landmark.
2015-03-07 03:33 <BlueWall> "Landmark version 2\nregion_id {0}\nlocal_pos {1} {2} {3}\nregion_handle {4}\n" 
2015-03-07 03:34 <BlueWall> then you add all the url, region uuid, names, etc.
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2015-03-07 05:54 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 06:37 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 07:12 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 07:41 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 07:53 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 08:15 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 08:37 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 09:32 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 14:27 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 14:58 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 15:04 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 15:05 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 15:13 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 15:17 <osmantis> Bug #7488:04 Flying plane on Bulletsim var region fails more often than not and causes sim to be unusable until restarted. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7488 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 15:25 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 15:28 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 15:36 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 15:42 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 15:44 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 15:49 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 16:02 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 16:18 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 16:19 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 16:29 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 17:27 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 18:00 <osmantis> Bug #7252:04 Multiple right clicks in viewer causes lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7252 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 18:37 <osmantis> Bug #7488:04 Flying certain plane scripts on Bulletsim var region fails more often than not and causes sim to be unusable until restarted. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7488 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-07 18:38 <osmantis> Bug #7488:04 Flying certain plane scripts on Bulletsim var region fails more often than not and often makes sim unusable until restarted. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7488 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-07 18:42 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-07 19:33 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 19:39 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 19:43 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 19:43 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 19:53 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 20:05 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 20:09 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-07 20:31 <BlueWall> Any rows in the assets database where Temporary == 1 can be removed at some time?
2015-03-07 20:49 <ftcodes> never seen any on grid side
2015-03-07 20:56 <BlueWall> thanks
2015-03-07 22:47 <quill> what does the following error mean and how to solve?
2015-03-07 22:47 <quill>  [AUTO BACKUP]: Code-up error: timerMap doesn't contain timer System.Timers.Timer
2015-03-08 03:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #4098 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-08 03:22 <Ken_S> Thanks Robert!!!
2015-03-08 03:22 <Ken_S> *misterblue
2015-03-08 03:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4098: SUCCESS in 9 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4098/
2015-03-08 03:22 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: add VEHICLE_ more parameter value limit checking.
2015-03-08 03:23 <misterblue> it won't fix your problem... funny values from scripts will still make funny things happen... but this will prevent crashes
2015-03-08 03:23 <Ken_S> Script is fixed now. Just tested it
2015-03-08 03:24 <Ken_S> Yes, preventing a sim crash is the important thing.
2015-03-08 03:27 <misterblue> I'm sure there are some more places that need parameter checking... but there are so many levels to OpenSimulator that it is hard to know who has the responsibiility for parameter value checking
2015-03-08 03:27 <misterblue> there is XEngine and the simulator and the physics engine
2015-03-08 03:27 <Ken_S> Yes, I understand
2015-03-08 03:28 <misterblue> you'd think values were checked before getting to the physics engine
2015-03-08 03:28 <Ken_S> I suspect that was the cause of some cars messing up things too.
2015-03-08 03:28 <misterblue> but so many people, so many mods, so many years.... clean responsibility definitions don't exist
2015-03-08 03:29 <Ken_S> I can imagine.
2015-03-08 03:29 <Ken_S> Its a wonder it all works at all.
2015-03-08 03:29 <misterblue> you have no idea :)
2015-03-08 03:29 <misterblue> your plane has the problem that the first time it is sat in, it takes forever to be usable
2015-03-08 03:29 <Ken_S> Oh I do.  I write code for a living and the more people involved in a project the worse it gets.
2015-03-08 03:30 <misterblue> that's mostly because I create convex hulls for the physics which takes many seconds
2015-03-08 03:30 <Ken_S> I don't write code here though. Come here to relax lol
2015-03-08 03:30 <misterblue> I can break the work out into another thread but it will still mean the physical thing isn't immediately usable
2015-03-08 03:31 <Ken_S> Its as good as its ever been at this point I think.
2015-03-08 03:31 <Ken_S> Vehicles are very usable,
2015-03-08 03:31 <misterblue> the scripting of physicalness and linksets makes it hard to pre-compute things
2015-03-08 03:31 <Ken_S> and not far from SL.
2015-03-08 03:32 <misterblue> workable... after they get created
2015-03-08 03:32 <misterblue> on my old Atom based server it was like 20 seconds before the plane was usable
2015-03-08 03:33 <Ken_S> Yes, but that wait is livable for sure.
2015-03-08 03:33 <Ken_S> Its how it works after 20 seconds that matters lol
2015-03-08 03:45 <nebadon_laptop> I was absolutely amazed at how quickly the Cuteulalas rover starts working on my Raspberry Pi
2015-03-08 03:45 <nebadon_laptop> its nearly instant
2015-03-08 03:45 <nebadon_laptop> and thats with bulletxna
2015-03-08 03:46 <nebadon_laptop> though its likely most of the mesh is phantom
2015-03-08 03:46 <nebadon_laptop> it was still impressive we could drive 2 of them around 
2015-03-08 03:46 <nebadon_laptop> we need gpu support :) then it will be really fast :) give bullet 1000 threads :)
2015-03-08 03:47 <Ken_S> nebadon, Are there plans to let Bullet have more threads?
2015-03-08 03:47 <nebadon_laptop> realistically though
2015-03-08 03:47 <nebadon_laptop> any vehicle should be like 99% phantom
2015-03-08 03:48 <nebadon_laptop> with just very basic cube shapes as the physics hull
2015-03-08 03:48 <nebadon_laptop> would need to ask misterblue about that, if I was capable i would definitely say yes
2015-03-08 03:48 <nebadon_laptop> but thats a bit out of my league :)
2015-03-08 03:48 <Ken_S> Flying is getting very good now.
2015-03-08 03:49 <nebadon_laptop> I imagine though if you do like i said and set all the unessentia peices to no physics
2015-03-08 03:49 <nebadon_laptop> things will improve drastically
2015-03-08 03:49 <misterblue> I'm trying to speed up linksets of phantom/physical prims
2015-03-08 03:49 <nebadon_laptop> that is how my racer works too
2015-03-08 03:49 <nebadon_laptop> cool misterblue
2015-03-08 03:49 <misterblue> there are always, of course, problems with boundry uses :)
2015-03-08 03:50 <nebadon_laptop> bullet does seem to use pretty high cpu
2015-03-08 03:50 <nebadon_laptop> compared to like ODE
2015-03-08 03:50 <nebadon_laptop> for similar vehicles
2015-03-08 03:50 <Ken_S> nebadon, have you seen the new OSGrid International airport sim that Im hosting for Mattie?
2015-03-08 03:50 <nebadon_laptop> I have not
2015-03-08 03:50 <Ken_S> Lot of good planes there now.
2015-03-08 03:50 <nebadon_laptop> have to check that out some time
2015-03-08 03:50 <nebadon_laptop> cool
2015-03-08 03:50 <misterblue> like you can change the position/rot of a single prim in a linkset... physics has to map that to the physical represention or the semi-representation of some of the prims are phantom
2015-03-08 03:50 <Ken_S> The jetline is a hoot to fly, but take a huge var to turn it lol
2015-03-08 03:51 <misterblue> I do need to look into why your vehicles are taking so much CPU with BulletSim...
2015-03-08 03:52 <nebadon_laptop> yea I can put a hurting on a pretty fast core2quad cpu
2015-03-08 03:52 <nebadon_laptop> with 2 or 3 of them going around
2015-03-08 03:52 <misterblue> I'm suspecting BulletSim is doing something a little different with collision info than ODE which is creating a lot of compute for prim scripting
2015-03-08 03:52 <nebadon_laptop> it can just about consume the entire cpu
2015-03-08 03:52 <misterblue> more of the undocumented semantics of the interfaces in OpenSimulator :)
2015-03-08 03:52 <nebadon_laptop> and thats on relatively flat terrain too
2015-03-08 03:53 <osmantis> Bug #7488:04 Flying certain plane scripts on Bulletsim var region fails more often than not and often makes sim unusable until restarted. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7488 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-08 03:53 <misterblue> when I do performance measurements, I find your car is taking a lot of script time as well as physics time
2015-03-08 03:54 <misterblue> not really "script time" but time spent in the script code... so I'm suspecting collisions filtering up
2015-03-08 03:54 <misterblue> you have lots of scripts in all the prims in your car and,  theoretically, they shouldn't be being invoked
2015-03-08 03:54 <misterblue> but, bugs are wonderfully creative things
2015-03-08 03:57 <nebadon_laptop> hehe ya
2015-03-08 03:57 <nebadon_laptop> I am pretty good at that
2015-03-08 03:57 <nebadon_laptop> ya most of the subscripts are either sounds or particle physics
2015-03-08 03:57 <nebadon_laptop> did we ever get child prims passing collision detection?
2015-03-08 03:58 <nebadon_laptop> I think i took that out of my current racer the collisions stuff cause it didnt work right
2015-03-08 03:58 <nebadon_laptop> id have to check though its been a while since i looked at the racer
2015-03-08 04:03 <misterblue> BulletSim makes a linkset as a single physical object and all collisions happen to the root prim
2015-03-08 04:04 <nebadon_laptop> yea
2015-03-08 04:04 <nebadon_laptop> there is lSL support though to detect collisions 
2015-03-08 04:04 <nebadon_laptop> so you can have say sparks come out of just the bumper
2015-03-08 04:04 <misterblue> SL linksets are tough... wish they had defined them differently... like some specification of the set of prims rather than independent link() calls
2015-03-08 04:05 <nebadon_laptop> my ODE racer still has it
2015-03-08 04:05 <misterblue> ya... SL can sense collisions on children and pass  the collision to the right ID
2015-03-08 04:05 <nebadon_laptop> I think i removed the sensors from the bullet one
2015-03-08 04:05 <misterblue> BulletSim doesn't do that yet
2015-03-08 04:05 <nebadon_laptop> ok ya I wasnt sure
2015-03-08 04:06 <misterblue> 
ACTION refers to his mile long TODO list :)

2015-03-08 04:07 <nebadon_laptop> lol
2015-03-08 04:13 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-08 04:18 <Ken_S> Nebadon,
2015-03-08 04:19 <Ken_S> nebadon, it seems setting the landing point on my vars is not working.
2015-03-08 04:21 <nebadon_laptop> hmm it shoul
2015-03-08 04:21 <nebadon_laptop> should*
2015-03-08 04:21 <nebadon_laptop> god mode?
2015-03-08 04:21 <dahlia> I found they have to be in the first 256,256
2015-03-08 04:21 <nebadon_laptop> ah 
2015-03-08 04:21 <nebadon_laptop> well I can tell you telehubs work anywhere
2015-03-08 04:22 <nebadon_laptop> pretty sure
2015-03-08 04:22 <nebadon_laptop> so maybe switch over to a telehub
2015-03-08 04:22 <dahlia> dunno, only worked for me there
2015-03-08 04:22 <nebadon_laptop> even a telehub?
2015-03-08 04:24 <dahlia> havnt trie telehub, not sure if it really does anything different by the time it's teleporting the agent
2015-03-08 04:24 <nebadon_laptop> well it uses a prims coordinates
2015-03-08 04:24 <nebadon_laptop> so I think it does work
2015-03-08 04:24 <nebadon_laptop> I could see the viewer not honoring the parcel settings properly past 256m though
2015-03-08 04:24 <nebadon_laptop> that kind of makes sense
2015-03-08 04:24 <dahlia> IIRC, either way just finds a coordinate and passes it to the telport process
2015-03-08 04:25 <nebadon_laptop> i can try it at my raspberry pi region
2015-03-08 04:25 <nebadon_laptop> 1 sec
2015-03-08 04:25 <dahlia> lol
2015-03-08 04:25 <danbanner> landing zone on sandbox plaza III is set to 384,384 and works fine
2015-03-08 04:25 <nebadon_laptop> yea I thought so
2015-03-08 04:25 <dahlia> oh?
2015-03-08 04:25 <dahlia> maybe its been fixed since I tried
2015-03-08 04:25 <nebadon_laptop> i think OKC Tower on my personal grid has it at 384,384 also
2015-03-08 04:26 <misterblue> is this with HG?
2015-03-08 04:26 <Ken_S> I set it in the first 256 area but it has not effect
2015-03-08 04:27 <Ken_S> *no
2015-03-08 04:27 <misterblue> 
ACTION is thinking there are some 256 lurking

2015-03-08 04:27 <nebadon_laptop> ya it works
2015-03-08 04:27 <nebadon_laptop> <387.364655, 147.37886, 36.580444>
2015-03-08 04:27 <nebadon_laptop> is where my raspberry pi telehub already was
2015-03-08 04:27 <dahlia> how about a landing point?
2015-03-08 04:27 <nebadon_laptop> OKC Raspberry Pi2 on osgrid
2015-03-08 04:27 <nebadon_laptop> i never use those
2015-03-08 04:27 <nebadon_laptop> i always just set a telehub
2015-03-08 04:27 <nebadon_laptop> seems more reliable
2015-03-08 04:28 <dahlia> 
ACTION cant log in now

2015-03-08 04:28 <Ken_S> Landing point is what is not working on vars
2015-03-08 04:28 <nebadon_laptop> yea
2015-03-08 04:28 <Ken_S> Have not tried telehub yet
2015-03-08 04:28 <nebadon_laptop> that is not surprising
2015-03-08 04:28 <danbanner> landing points work fine in sbp3 var
2015-03-08 04:28 <nebadon_laptop> oh cool
2015-03-08 04:28 <dahlia> try going to dahliavar on osgrid
2015-03-08 04:28 <nebadon_laptop> so its not a telehub there danbanner?
2015-03-08 04:28 <dahlia> should land at a landing point
2015-03-08 04:28 <nebadon_laptop> just a parcel landing point?
2015-03-08 04:28 <dahlia> but in lower 256
2015-03-08 04:29 <danbanner> right its a landing zone
2015-03-08 04:29 <nebadon_laptop> ok cool so interesting
2015-03-08 04:29 <dahlia> but dahliavar is pretty old code
2015-03-08 04:29 <nebadon_laptop> only thing i can say Ken_S make sure you dont have a double 65535 parcel in the database
2015-03-08 04:29 <nebadon_laptop> that can make things like landing points fail
2015-03-08 04:30 <nebadon_laptop> err well double whatever size parcel your var is I mean
2015-03-08 04:30 <nebadon_laptop> you would probably see a message on the sim startup though
2015-03-08 04:30 <nebadon_laptop> something about My Parcel kind of error
2015-03-08 04:31 <Ken_S> I see those kinds of messages on some sim startups, but have been unsuccessful to eliminate it.
2015-03-08 04:31 <nebadon_laptop> you need to erase the parcel in the simulators database
2015-03-08 04:31 <nebadon_laptop> that stores the parcel info
2015-03-08 04:31 <danbanner> db diving
2015-03-08 04:31 <nebadon_laptop> yea
2015-03-08 04:31 <Ken_S> Erase the lower ID one or higher ID one?
2015-03-08 04:31 <nebadon_laptop> depends
2015-03-08 04:32 <nebadon_laptop> if you have the region subdivided
2015-03-08 04:32 <danbanner> you have to figure out which one is invalid
2015-03-08 04:32 <nebadon_laptop> and there is still one that says the full size
2015-03-08 04:32 <nebadon_laptop> erase the full size on
2015-03-08 04:32 <Ken_S> None are subdivied and never have been
2015-03-08 04:32 <nebadon_laptop> if you have just 1 big parcel generally it doesnt matter which one you erase
2015-03-08 04:32 <danbanner> should be easy to find then
2015-03-08 04:32 <nebadon_laptop> just make sure you erase the one that has the proper settings set
2015-03-08 04:32 <nebadon_laptop> err dont erase the one that has proper settings set I mean
2015-03-08 04:32 <Ken_S> I have seen dups in there and erased them before but issue seems to return
2015-03-08 04:33 <nebadon_laptop> you running master
2015-03-08 04:33 <nebadon_laptop> that should have been fixed
2015-03-08 04:33 <Ken_S> Yes
2015-03-08 04:33 <nebadon_laptop> i thought
2015-03-08 04:33 <nebadon_laptop> was this a while ago you did it?
2015-03-08 04:33 <danbanner> are you loading oars with screwed up parcels?
2015-03-08 04:33 <Ken_S> I got caught when this was a big issue and it messed some stuff up
2015-03-08 04:33 <nebadon_laptop> ah well if you patch them up now
2015-03-08 04:33 <nebadon_laptop> it should not happen again
2015-03-08 04:33 <Ken_S> The ones it happens on existed a long time
2015-03-08 04:34 <nebadon_laptop> ok well I suspect this may be your problem now
2015-03-08 04:34 <danbanner> i was able to fix all the plazas that got screwed up
2015-03-08 04:34 <nebadon_laptop> should rule that out
2015-03-08 04:34 <nebadon_laptop> before going to nuts
2015-03-08 04:34 <Ken_S> The vars I cannot set the landing point on do not have that issue
2015-03-08 04:34 <nebadon_laptop> ah ok
2015-03-08 04:34 <nebadon_laptop> maybe the viewer?
2015-03-08 04:34 <Ken_S> I think its 2 separate issues
2015-03-08 04:34 <danbanner> edit the LZ manually
2015-03-08 04:34 <nebadon_laptop> dan and I are using Replex or Sing
2015-03-08 04:34 <Ken_S> I am on latest sing alpha almost always
2015-03-08 04:35 <nebadon_laptop> I mostly use Replex release
2015-03-08 04:35 <nebadon_laptop> shouldnt be very different
2015-03-08 04:35 <Ken_S> I wish replex was still moving forward. I liked it a lot.
2015-03-08 04:35 <nebadon_laptop> yea until i find a reason not to use it 
2015-03-08 04:35 <nebadon_laptop> i like it enough to keep using it
2015-03-08 04:36 <nebadon_laptop> works great
2015-03-08 04:36 <nebadon_laptop> not like viewer development is plowing forward at this point
2015-03-08 04:36 <nebadon_laptop> if singularity does something i can't live without though i will switch back to it
2015-03-08 04:36 <Ken_S> Left click buy on a box was broke on alphas until recently, then the issue suddenly went away.
2015-03-08 04:37 <Ken_S> Release or alpha in sl did not have the issue.
2015-03-08 04:37 <nebadon_laptop> i try to avoid using buy myself
2015-03-08 04:37 <Ken_S> Suspected it was a viewer issue, but not sure
2015-03-08 04:37 <nebadon_laptop> i tend to script delivery
2015-03-08 04:37 <nebadon_laptop> vs use the built un buy functions
2015-03-08 04:37 <nebadon_laptop> buy stuff seems very unreliable in opensim to me
2015-03-08 04:38 <Ken_S> Lots of things were already set up that way in malls etc, and they all stopped working.
2015-03-08 04:38 <nebadon_laptop> wierd and just with that viewer?
2015-03-08 04:38 <Ken_S> Newbies had no idea how to get around the issue lol
2015-03-08 04:38 <nebadon_laptop> i do recall seeing your mantis
2015-03-08 04:38 <nebadon_laptop> that you closed recently
2015-03-08 04:38 <Ken_S> Alpha Sing and alpha FS.
2015-03-08 04:38 <Ken_S> Yes
2015-03-08 04:39 <nebadon_laptop> interesting
2015-03-08 04:39 <nebadon_laptop> atleast its fixed
2015-03-08 04:39 <Ken_S> Sing is fixed now, have not checked FS
2015-03-08 04:39 <Ken_S> Was hoping it was a fix in opensim since the issue did not happen on either in sl
2015-03-08 04:39 <nebadon_laptop> only time i really use buy
2015-03-08 04:40 <nebadon_laptop> is when i am working with students
2015-03-08 04:40 <nebadon_laptop> and I want them to buy the original building
2015-03-08 04:40 <nebadon_laptop> i go around and rough out building sizes with cubes
2015-03-08 04:40 <nebadon_laptop> and link it up
2015-03-08 04:40 <Ken_S> Ah.
2015-03-08 04:40 <nebadon_laptop> and then a student comes around and buys it and builds the actual building over it
2015-03-08 04:40 <nebadon_laptop> never had much problem with that
2015-03-08 04:40 <nebadon_laptop> but with vendors and stuff, seems problematic sometimes
2015-03-08 04:41 <nebadon_laptop> ive seen vendors transfer ownership taht are only supposed to send a copy
2015-03-08 04:41 <nebadon_laptop> thats probably been fixed
2015-03-08 04:41 <nebadon_laptop> used to happen alot at the sandboxes and wright plaza
2015-03-08 04:41 <Ken_S> That fix misterblue checked in today really solved a huge headache on that airport sim.
2015-03-08 04:41 <nebadon_laptop> nice
2015-03-08 04:42 <Ken_S> A poorly written plane script (without division by zero checks) was pretty much crashing the sim
2015-03-08 04:42 <nebadon_laptop> USS Yorktown syndrome :P
2015-03-08 04:42 <Ken_S> If you could find where the plane got off to, usually 0,0,0 and delete it then it would recover in a few minutes
2015-03-08 04:42 <nebadon_laptop> http://motherboard.vice.com/read/why-were-not-allowed-to-divide-by-zero
2015-03-08 04:43 <nebadon_laptop> if it can crash a US warship
2015-03-08 04:43 <Ken_S> Otherwise required a sim restart
2015-03-08 04:43 <nebadon_laptop> pretty sure it will crash opensim lol
2015-03-08 04:43 <Ken_S> yes anything
2015-03-08 04:43 <Ken_S> The biggest no no in coding
2015-03-08 04:44 <Ken_S> But hopefully bullet is rotected from bad scripts now
2015-03-08 04:44 <Ken_S> *protected
2015-03-08 04:44 <nebadon_laptop> ya that is good
2015-03-08 04:46 <misterblue> ya... scripts divide by zero and pass the answer to the physics engine... crashes used to happen
2015-03-08 04:47 <Ken_S> Bulletsim is getting more bulletproof :)
2015-03-08 04:49 <Ken_S> misterblue, unless you want to keep it for future testing please delete that flying script.
2015-03-08 04:49 <Ken_S> The issue in the script has been fixed
2015-03-08 04:49 <misterblue> k
2015-03-08 04:50 <Ken_S> They are trying to track down all the copies and delete and replace them with v2 :)
2015-03-08 04:52 -!- Aramis^(~someone@c-71-57-139-42.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has left #opensim-dev
2015-03-08 04:57 <nebadon> ahh back in linux :)
2015-03-08 04:59 <nebadon> had the Federal Consortium for Virtual Worlds on Fri/Sat I was working on, had to do video capture and streaming was stuck in windows!
2015-03-08 05:00 <nebadon> kind of like a smaller version of OSCC, went pretty good
2015-03-08 07:27 <Trinity93> infinitesimal handeling in bulletsim now?
2015-03-08 07:27 <Trinity93> :P
2015-03-08 09:25 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-08 09:50 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-08 11:45 <nebadon> hmm after updating to master git i am seeing some of these > 04:45:00 - [SCENE]: Unable to parse Uri / for CreatorID /;Nebadon Izumi
2015-03-08 11:49 <ftcodes> those entries
2015-03-08 11:49 <ftcodes> are broken entries that have been once serialized to database
2015-03-08 11:50 <ftcodes> you find them all over
2015-03-08 11:50 <ftcodes> maybe the amount is useful to be reduced about being displayed
2015-03-08 11:51 <ftcodes> this is what I have very often seen for your OSG account 7b2022f0-5f19-488c-b7e5-829d8f96b448;/;Nebadon Izumi
2015-03-08 11:51 <ftcodes> the URL part being broken
2015-03-08 11:52 <ftcodes> there seem to be several occasions where people have misconfigured the HomeURI
2015-03-08 11:52 <nebadon> hmm interesting
2015-03-08 11:53 <nebadon> not to hard to fix in the database
2015-03-08 11:53 <ftcodes> nope
2015-03-08 11:53 <ftcodes> just pouring in all the time from some assets
2015-03-08 11:53 <nebadon> yea my stuff is everywhere
2015-03-08 11:53 <nebadon> hehe
2015-03-08 11:54 <ftcodes> these all were possible candidates for faulting HG IM 
2015-03-08 11:54 <nebadon> ah cool
2015-03-08 11:54 <nebadon> so that won't happen anymore
2015-03-08 11:54 <nebadon> ?
2015-03-08 11:54 <nebadon> once everyone updates :)
2015-03-08 11:55 <ftcodes> those entries can still happen by misconfiguration
2015-03-08 11:55 <ftcodes> but the UserManagementModule detects that being faulty
2015-03-08 11:55 <nebadon> cool
2015-03-08 11:55 <ftcodes> I guess it keeps you guys a bit from clearing GridUser all the time ;)
2015-03-08 11:55 <nebadon> im just finishing updating Avacon grid now, got my own grid updated and my osgrid regions
2015-03-08 11:56 <ftcodes> Robust will be the only source for HG UUI entries in GridUser
2015-03-08 11:56 <ftcodes> updated sims cannot do that anymore
2015-03-08 11:57 <ftcodes> if UUID is a UserAccount, then apply resident rule
2015-03-08 11:57 <ftcodes> if UUID is not a UserAccount, apply HG visitor rule by eventually taking data from GridUser
2015-03-08 11:57 <ftcodes> if no data is available, keep hands off GridUser telling some broken data
2015-03-08 11:58 <ftcodes> that is the thing in it about whether data is considered authoritative
2015-03-08 14:23 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-08 14:47 <Abitar> I have a quick question, I been reading the wiki. On the simulators, does the client need access to the region port, as I read it it only need access to the simulator port. I am trying to stiffen up the firewall settings and want to firewall off anthing that dont need to be open to the world.  THe provate ports will be only accesable from other computers in the grid. 
2015-03-08 14:54 <zadark> Private ports refer to, in grid configuration, ports that a simulator uses to access robust services. Unless the grid is open, that is allows simulators to connect via the internet, then private ports are not required to be open.
2015-03-08 15:09 <Abitar> I know that , I cant find if a region port is private or not :) 
2015-03-08 15:38 <smxy> nebadon: ping
2015-03-08 16:09 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-08 16:11 <smxy> nebadon: I just wanted your opinion on a mesh upload issue one of my residents is having. She uses Singularity and has been uploading mesh just fine, but then, aboout 5 hours ago, she says it stopped working. At the point where she calculates the weight and fees, nothing happens after that for her. She sent me the file and I was able to upload it perfectly fine in Singularity and Firestorm, 
2015-03-08 16:11 <smxy> so it's not the grid. Trying to think of what might be going wrong for her.
2015-03-08 16:15 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-08 16:20 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-08 16:33 <misterblue> Abitar: the region port is not private. the viewer must be able to connect to it.
2015-03-08 16:42 <osmantis> Bug #7491:04 Database useraccounts ServiceURLs fields not updating of change of configs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7491 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-08 16:43 <osmantis> Bug #7491:04 Database useraccounts ServiceURLs fields not updating on change of grid domain or profile configs, etc 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7491 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-08 17:42 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-08 19:07 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-08 19:08 <osmantis> Bug #7491:04 Database useraccounts ServiceURLs fields not updating on change of grid domain or profile configs, etc 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7491 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-08 19:09 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-08 19:24 <osmantis> Bug #7491:04 Database useraccounts ServiceURLs fields not updating on change of grid domain or profile configs, etc 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7491 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-08 19:37 <Sked_> HI guys
2015-03-08 19:37 <Sked_> is anyone here to help me about map inworld
2015-03-08 21:04 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-08 21:10 <osmantis> Bug #7491:04 Database useraccounts ServiceURLs fields not updating on change of grid domain or profile configs, etc 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7491 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-08 21:25 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-08 21:31 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-08 21:35 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-08 21:46 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-08 22:07 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-09 04:00 <osmantis> Bug #7400:04 Console feature that can automatically build a random city including buildings, roads, & terrain. Aurora source code attached. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7400 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-09 04:00 <osmantis> Bug #7400:04 Console feature that can automatically build a random city including buildings, roads, & terrain. Aurora source code attached. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7400 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-09 04:01 <osmantis> Bug #7400:04 Console feature that can automatically build a random city including buildings, roads, & terrain. Aurora source code attached. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7400 ): has been CLOSED
2015-03-09 04:10 <osmantis> Bug #7492:04 When loading an oar, an option should be added to NOT load assets that are damaged. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7492 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-09 04:11 <osmantis> Bug #7429:04 Var region sometimes terrain loads from far side of sim towards AV rather than other way around. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7429 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-09 04:11 <osmantis> Bug #7429:04 Var region sometimes terrain loads from far side of sim towards AV rather than other way around. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7429 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-09 04:12 <osmantis> Bug #7429:04 Var region sometimes terrain loads from far side of sim towards AV rather than other way around. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7429 ): has been CLOSED
2015-03-09 04:14 <osmantis> Bug #7425:04 Map search is sometimes only returns one match even though there may be many matches. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7425 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-09 04:15 <osmantis> Bug #7425:04 Map search sometimes only returns one match even though there may be many matches. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7425 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-09 04:16 <osmantis> Bug #7492:04 When loading an oar, an option should be added to NOT load assets that are damaged. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7492 ): has been UPDATED.
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2015-03-09 09:13 <osmantis> Bug #7491:04 Database useraccounts ServiceURLs fields not updating on change of grid domain or profile configs, etc 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7491 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-09 09:14 <osmantis> Bug #7491:04 Database useraccounts ServiceURLs fields not updating on change of grid domain or profile configs, etc 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7491 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-09 09:16 <osmantis> Bug #7491:04 Database useraccounts ServiceURLs fields not updating on change of grid domain or profile configs, etc 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7491 ): has been CLOSED
2015-03-09 09:18 <osmantis> Bug #6647:04 Direct Robust create user fills in different useraccounts ServiceURLs to wifi create account 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6647 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-09 09:19 <osmantis> Bug #6647:04 Direct Robust create user fills in different useraccounts ServiceURLs to wifi create account 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6647 ): has been CLOSED
2015-03-09 09:24 <osmantis> Bug #7425:04 Map search sometimes only returns one match even though there may be many matches. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7425 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-09 09:37 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-09 09:47 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-09 11:23 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-09 14:55 <AllenKerensky> OSgrid Update 2015-03-09 http://news.osgrid.org/
2015-03-09 18:03 <osmantis> Bug #7493:04 the currently existing terrain layer data code can generate packets larger than MTU 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7493 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-09 18:03 <osmantis> Bug #7493:04 the currently existing terrain layer data code can generate packets larger than MTU 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7493 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-09 18:05 <osmantis> Bug #7493:04 the currently existing terrain layer data code can generate packets larger than MTU 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7493 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-09 18:07 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-09 18:10 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-09 18:33 <Trinity93> http://www.rowhammer.com/ herp-a-derp
2015-03-09 18:34 <Plugh> I read about that a while back.
2015-03-09 18:34 <paulieflomar> That's wild!
2015-03-09 18:37 <Trinity93> well to be honest its as old as the hills
2015-03-09 18:38 <Trinity93> if the attacker already has userland privs your dead already
2015-03-09 20:01 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-09 23:25 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-10 00:45 <smxy> haha: http://imgur.com/gallery/Qfjgm8h?fb_action_ids=10205718693622362&fb_action_types=og.shares
2015-03-10 14:29 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-10 15:10 <nebadon> for anyone who is Interested, the OSCC grid is fully functionaly again, and fully updated :)
2015-03-10 15:11 <nebadon> HG > http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002
2015-03-10 15:40 <smxy> nebadon: Nice. :)
2015-03-10 15:44 <smxy> I thought we couldn't go past mono 3.10, due to stuff they took out?
2015-03-10 15:45 <nebadon> dahlia fixed it
2015-03-10 15:45 <smxy> Awesome. I'll have to update my Mono then. Is 3.12.1 their current git master?
2015-03-10 15:46 <nebadon> no
2015-03-10 15:46 <nebadon> its the current release
2015-03-10 15:46 <smxy> okay
2015-03-10 15:46 <smxy> does the libgdi+ version match? It didn't last time I built.
2015-03-10 15:46 <nebadon> yes
2015-03-10 15:47 <nebadon> you still need to do the --without-libgif though
2015-03-10 15:47 <smxy> great. thanks.
2015-03-10 17:04 <osmantis> Bug #7436:04 Physics of mesh objects are either non walkable, phantom or unpassable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7436 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-10 18:57 <osmantis> Bug #7494:04 Trouble crossing borders when offline regions are nearby 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7494 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-10 19:44 <dahlia> anyone have chat log from the meeting? i got there kinda late for some reason :/
2015-03-10 20:05 <ftcodes> not in complete version
2015-03-10 20:05 <ftcodes> came late myself
2015-03-10 20:05 <ftcodes> missed the first 20 minutes or so
2015-03-10 20:11 <dahlia> I was just curious about how the refactoring talk started. I kinda came in to it late
2015-03-10 20:11 <ftcodes> you got that on your OSG account
2015-03-10 20:11 <ftcodes> as a notecard
2015-03-10 20:11 <dahlia> oh
2015-03-10 20:12 <dahlia> ty *logs in
2015-03-10 20:13 <dahlia> I see it, tyvm :)
2015-03-10 20:25 <dahlia> caching compressed land patches seems like a good idea, my only thought is the cache might get kinda huge in large var regions. Might end up needing some sort of auto-disable if memory gets tight
2015-03-10 20:39 <ftcodes> that is true but 160kByte as a per region tradeoff is a pretty good for getting processing power down
2015-03-10 20:42 <dahlia> ya not a problem for small regions. Large vars tend to run out of memory tho, most of it is the heightfield data
2015-03-10 20:44 <dahlia> I never liked the idea of using DCT compression for terrain, it makes nasty artifacts. Unfortunately it's baked into the UDP protocol :/
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2015-03-11 02:02 <osmantis> Bug #7436:04 Physics of mesh objects are either non walkable, phantom or unpassable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7436 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-11 02:46 <osmantis> Bug #7436:04 Physics of mesh objects are either non walkable, phantom or unpassable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7436 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-11 05:16 <NeilB> I'm having trouble getting hypegrid inventories working with simiangrid.  The seemingly obvious solution in hginventorybroker is commented out.  Is there a way to acquire the suitcase for simian that will work?  The documentation is a bit fuzzy on how the suitcase might work, but there is no way to determine which folder to use.  The suitcase folder does not load when using simiangrid at all.  Isn't it possible to add the suitcase folder via the opensim 
2015-03-11 05:16 <NeilB> libraries xml?
2015-03-11 05:23 <NeilB> something similar could be said by editing the appropriate defaultavatar.php that could load the proper folder into the inventory.  Yet there seems to be a problem with the uuid, specifically how to determine which of the folders is correct, considering the special type that the suitcase is.
2015-03-11 05:25 <SammyG3> NeilB, im not a developer, but you could try the mailing lists as well for your questions. I notice there are not usually too many developers around this time.  http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists
2015-03-11 07:09 <dahlia> NeilB: I'm not sure HG works all that well with simian, but you might have better luck asking when cmickyb is online, probably in about 10ish hours from now
2015-03-11 07:10 <NeilB> everything works except the inventory
2015-03-11 07:11 <NeilB> it is largely the same as opensim, but just the hypergrid in general in opensim is where I'm having trouble.
2015-03-11 07:11 <NeilB> the way it was changed is hard to read
2015-03-11 07:13 <NeilB> my best guess is to have a sort of HG(Suitcase)InventoryConnector do the much same thing as the current SimianInventoryServiceConnector, but with the hg 2.0 constraints, as far as that is possible.
2015-03-11 07:14 <dahlia> ya I think maybe assets might not be working all that well either, and that might also affect inventory
2015-03-11 07:15 <dahlia> but cmickyb is probably the best person to ask
2015-03-11 07:15 <NeilB> too bad I won't be able to stick around that long to find out :/
2015-03-11 07:15 <dahlia> or try the mailing list
2015-03-11 15:36 <mheilman> I am having trouble with a regionModule I am authoring.  I have written functional modules before, but after moving to master from opensim 0.8, I am seeing: WARNING: The add-in 'MGMModule,0.1' is trying to extend '/OpenSim/RegionModules', but there isn't any compatible add-in defining this extension point
2015-03-11 15:37 <mheilman> Has something changed in master since 0.8?
2015-03-11 15:57 <zadark> mheilman, yes the add-in systems has changed. http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Installing_3rd_party_addins  and http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Developing_OpenSim_Addins
2015-03-11 15:58 <zadark> I'm affraid as I have not used the new system myself, my assistance is limited to the 2 links provided
2015-03-11 15:58 <mheilman> ok, I will review them, thanks
2015-03-11 15:58 <smxy> I was about to hit return on an identical message, when you replied, zadark. :)
2015-03-11 15:58 <smxy> You robbed me of my chance to assist! :P
2015-03-11 15:59 <zadark> smxy: ha
2015-03-11 15:59 <smxy> At least he got his amswer. :)
2015-03-11 15:59 <smxy> answer*
2015-03-11 16:03 <Plugh> I wonder if this has affected the osprofile and ossearch modules.
2015-03-11 16:05 <Plugh> If the changes only affect master and not 0.8.* I won't have to worry about the changes for now.
2015-03-11 16:33 <mheilman> Got it, the assembly directives have changed, and I was just correct enough to get the behavior I was seeing.  Thanks again
2015-03-11 16:37 <jakdaniels_> plugh, yes it has affected osprofile and ossearch, that's why osgrid are now supplied self modded versions of them so that they compile with osgrid's OS version
2015-03-11 16:38 <jakdaniels_> http://download.osgrid.org//OpenSimProfile_svn_r125-mod.zip and http://download.osgrid.org//OpenSimSearch_svn_r206-mod.zip
2015-03-11 16:40 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: ok. I'll have to see what changes are required and update the source files for the modules.
2015-03-11 16:41 <Plugh> Thanks for the links. I've saved those files.
2015-03-11 16:47 <Plugh> Hm... those files are also out of date. Latest osprofile is r128
2015-03-11 16:47 <jakdaniels_> np... changes are just to the assembly directives on two lines I think
2015-03-11 16:47 <jakdaniels_> probably they just modded the version they had previously to get it to compile
2015-03-11 16:48 <Plugh> ok. I'm about to break for lunch. I'll compare the files against teh SVN repo when I get bak.
2015-03-11 16:48 <jakdaniels_> I think danbanner does the osgrid releases
2015-03-11 16:48 <Plugh> Good that I was around to see the question that sparked this.
2015-03-11 16:48 <Plugh> Yup. lunch is ready. bbl.
2015-03-11 18:25 <jakdaniels_> plugh, I guess you will have to maintain two versions now, one for pre 0.8.1 and one for 0.8.1 onwards
2015-03-11 18:31 <jakdaniels_> Plugh: though I don't see mention of the changes to addon-modules in the 0.8.1 rc release notes
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2015-03-11 22:08 <osmantis> Bug #7495:04 Error when running OpenSim.exe 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7495 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-11 22:11 <osmantis> Bug #7495:04 Error when running OpenSim.exe 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7495 ): has been CLOSED
2015-03-11 22:13 <justincc> hi misterblue, are you around?
2015-03-11 22:16 <justincc> hi nebadon, are you around?
2015-03-11 22:32 <osmantis> Bug #7494:04 Trouble crossing borders when offline regions are nearby 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7494 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-11 22:47 <osmantis> Bug #7494:04 Trouble crossing borders when offline regions are nearby 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7494 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-11 22:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #4099 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-11 22:49 <osmantis> Bug #7482:04 llSetMemoryLimit has to report TRUE for Mono based scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7482 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2015-03-11 22:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4099: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4099/
2015-03-11 22:53 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Allow a console command to give blank arguments ("") without the parser failing, e.g. login text ""
2015-03-11 22:54 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: minor: Change InternalAddress in Regions.ini.example from 127.0.0.1 to more normal 0.0.0.0
2015-03-11 22:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #4100 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-11 22:55 <osmantis> Bug #7489:04 Setting login text in ROBUST to "" (blank) results in casting error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7489 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-11 22:56 <LiruCookies> justincc: hai
2015-03-11 22:56 <justincc> hi LiruCookies
2015-03-11 22:56 <LiruCookies> Regarding what we spoke about last, the wearables in the library
2015-03-11 22:57 <LiruCookies> Wearables should have the flags in their xml files
2015-03-11 22:57 <justincc> yeah
2015-03-11 22:57 <LiruCookies> This should probably be mentioned in the examples
2015-03-11 22:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4100: SUCCESS in 4 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4100/
2015-03-11 22:58 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Remove unnecessary quoting in Regions.ini.example
2015-03-11 22:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #4101 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-11 23:00 <justincc> LiruCookies: in inventory/BodyPartsLibrary/BodyPartsLibraryItems.xml?
2015-03-11 23:01 <dahlia> lol gotta love that filename
2015-03-11 23:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4101: SUCCESS in 4 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4101/
2015-03-11 23:03 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: Remove windows build warning about CompressionLevel package ambiguity.
2015-03-11 23:03 <LiruCookies> justincc: Yes, and in the one for clothing
2015-03-11 23:03 <LiruCookies> Anything baked in is a wearable, body parts and clothing
2015-03-11 23:04 <LiruCookies> shape is 0, and if you don't include flags, it'll default to 0 and the viewer won't know it's not.
2015-03-11 23:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #4102 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-11 23:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4102: SUCCESS in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4102/
2015-03-11 23:09 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add required wearable flags values to inventory body parts and clothing example xml
2015-03-11 23:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #4103 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-11 23:13 <justincc> LiruCookies: where are the best instructions for building a viewer?
2015-03-11 23:14 <LiruCookies> Which OS?
2015-03-11 23:14 <justincc> all of them
2015-03-11 23:14 <LiruCookies> Of course I'm going to link my own, though, http://singularityviewer.org/kb/build-windows http://singularityviewer.org/kb/build-linux
2015-03-11 23:15 <LiruCookies> And http://singularityviewer.org/kb/build-mac
2015-03-11 23:15 <justincc> great, thanks LiruCookies
2015-03-11 23:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4103: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4103/
2015-03-11 23:17 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add rough and ready element explanation in a comment at the top of inventory library items xml
2015-03-11 23:28 <osmantis> Bug #3963:04 blank variable not preserved on re-rez/restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3963 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-03-11 23:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #4104 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-11 23:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4104: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4104/
2015-03-11 23:36 <osjenkins> jjustincc: help restart message corrected
2015-03-11 23:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #4105 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-11 23:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4105: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4105/
2015-03-11 23:40 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Add Shy Robbiani to contributors
2015-03-11 23:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #4106 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-11 23:46 <osmantis> Bug #7490:04 [PATCH] "help restart" message corrected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7490 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-11 23:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4106: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4106/
2015-03-11 23:50 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Make SmartThreadPool build pick up Properties/AssemblyInfo.cs by setting build to recurse in this directory.
2015-03-12 00:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #4107 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-12 00:17 <osmantis> Bug #7443:04 SmartThreadPool not getting a version numbering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7443 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-12 00:18 <osmantis> Bug #7442:04 Ionic.Zlib.CompressionLevel 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7442 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-12 00:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4107: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4107/
2015-03-12 00:20 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: A workaround for the state change problem described best here http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6960 which should make state changes behave more like is described here http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/State
2015-03-12 00:20 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Lock around EventQueue manipulation in ScriptInstance.SetState() as queues are not thread-safe structures.
2015-03-12 00:21 <osjenkins> * jjustincc: Move state change in progress in ScriptInstance.PostEvent() to the top of the EventQueue lock to avoid some flags possibly being wrongly set (m_LastControlLevel, etc.)
2015-03-12 00:23 <osmantis> Bug #6960:04 state_entry() can be executed multiple times for a single state transition 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6960 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-12 00:34 <osmantis> Bug #7436:04 Physics of mesh objects are either non walkable, phantom or unpassable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7436 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-12 01:04 <osmantis> Bug #7436:04 Physics of mesh objects are either non walkable, phantom or unpassable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7436 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-12 02:20 <outch> Hello any develloper are here for help for one question
2015-03-12 02:21 <outch> i have work with remont admin for create_region_admin and the system work but he not copy at the Régions.ini the info last reboot the region is lost
2015-03-12 03:23 <osmantis> Bug #7496:04 Setting any of STATUS_ROTATE_X/STATUS_ROTATE_Y/STATUS_ROTATE_Z to FALSE critically damps further object motion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7496 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2015-03-12 04:45 <paela> hello all
2015-03-12 16:01 <AliciaRaven> anyone had experience of mono throwing a "got a bad hardware address length for an af_packet 16 8" error?
2015-03-12 16:02 <AliciaRaven> i know its related to the region tcp connection starting, but not sure what the problem is
2015-03-12 16:16 <zadark> AliciaRaven: This is related to mono, have you changed mono recently?
2015-03-12 16:17 <Ubit> thats a odd error.. never seen it
2015-03-12 16:18 <AliciaRaven> no, and its mono not liking the tcp server starting, the strange part is there is another instance running fine on the same server
2015-03-12 16:18 <Ubit> and seems very low level...
2015-03-12 16:18 <AliciaRaven> i checked for a port conflict also and thats ok
2015-03-12 16:18 <Ubit> btw  arenot crossings a bit... odd now?
2015-03-12 16:20 <AliciaRaven> i dont have any sims side by side at the moment
2015-03-12 16:20 <Ubit> i get even underground now
2015-03-12 16:21 <Ubit> im just testing around write plaza :)
2015-03-12 16:21 <Ubit> wright plaza i mean..
2015-03-12 16:23 <nebadon> AliciaRaven what version of mono?
2015-03-12 16:23 <nebadon> its definitely a mono problem
2015-03-12 16:24 <AliciaRaven> nebadon 3.2.8, the error shows on the console after starting the http listener, no regions get loaded and opensim just runs empty
2015-03-12 16:24 <AliciaRaven> there is another instance running fine on that server, so mono must be ok
2015-03-12 16:24 <nebadon> what port?
2015-03-12 16:25 <zadark> Best you move to 3.12 at least, that was a known issue on earlier mono
2015-03-12 16:25 <AliciaRaven> different port, my first responce was to check for conflicts
2015-03-12 16:25 <nebadon> ive never experienced that either, ran 3.2.8
2015-03-12 16:25 <nebadon> googling says it was fixed after 3.6 mono I think
2015-03-12 16:26 <nebadon> ive had issues with port 10000
2015-03-12 16:26 <AliciaRaven> there were problems with that error looping on mono due to a bug, but thats all i can find on google
2015-03-12 16:26 <nebadon> yea
2015-03-12 16:27 <nebadon> I saw a posting on the Unity forums about it
2015-03-12 16:27 <AliciaRaven> the loop bug, nothing about the error apart from that
2015-03-12 16:27 <nebadon> http://forum.unity3d.com/threads/linux-64-standalone-got-a-bad-hardware-address-length.282402/
2015-03-12 16:28 <nebadon> aincent post on osgrid forums > http://forums.osgrid.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1567
2015-03-12 16:29 <AliciaRaven> they all seem to have the error come up in different dituations, there is a mantis about it comming up during stats recording aswell
2015-03-12 16:29 <AliciaRaven> *situations
2015-03-12 16:33 <osmantis> Bug #7497:04 The create region of the remote admin does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7497 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-12 16:37 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, http://pastebin.com/xfBLdvqR
2015-03-12 16:38 <AliciaRaven> the mono error isnt in the log but it occurs after line 30 in that paste
2015-03-12 16:38 <nebadon> strange
2015-03-12 16:39 <nebadon> has there been any kernel updates on this box?
2015-03-12 16:39 <nebadon> and are you compiling mono yourself?
2015-03-12 16:41 <AliciaRaven> it was so long im not sure if i compiled mono or used a tar ball
2015-03-12 16:41 <AliciaRaven> no kernal updates for aslong as i can remember, but if that was the problem, the other instance would show the same problems i would expect
2015-03-12 16:42 <nebadon> yea I am not really sure
2015-03-12 16:42 <nebadon> i have never seen this problem before
2015-03-12 16:42 <nebadon> I have seen odd things happen though when the kernel gets updated and mono is not recompiled on the new kernel
2015-03-12 16:43 <nebadon> usually even tarball mono needs to be compiled
2015-03-12 16:43 <nebadon> i do not think they offer a tarball binary
2015-03-12 16:43 <nebadon> mono has pretty strict requirements it would be hard to make a binary available that worked universally I think
2015-03-12 16:44 <BlueWall> xamaris is making packages for many distros these days.
2015-03-12 16:44 <BlueWall> xamarin.
2015-03-12 16:44 <nebadon> well rpms yea
2015-03-12 16:44 <nebadon> but not a tarball do they?
2015-03-12 16:44 <nebadon> that would surprise me
2015-03-12 16:44 <BlueWall> I have just setup their repo and pull the packages.
2015-03-12 16:44 <BlueWall> no issues so-far.
2015-03-12 16:44 <nebadon> rpms or debs can atleast tell you when there is a discrepancy
2015-03-12 16:44 <nebadon> yea
2015-03-12 16:45 <AliciaRaven> i hope i dont have to upgrade mono lol never goes well
2015-03-12 16:45 <BlueWall> they might - source packages
2015-03-12 16:45 <nebadon> repo is good too
2015-03-12 16:45 <nebadon> because it stays inline with the kernel usually
2015-03-12 16:45 <nebadon> really AliciaRaven, i upgrade mono all the time
2015-03-12 16:45 <nebadon> compile it myself
2015-03-12 16:45 <nebadon> never a problem
2015-03-12 16:45 <nebadon> what Linux are you running?
2015-03-12 16:45 <BlueWall> I don't really have time to fool with building it unless there is no alternative.
2015-03-12 16:46 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44
2015-03-12 16:46 <AliciaRaven> Ubuntu 14.04.1
2015-03-12 16:46 <nebadon> it only takes me about 20 minutes to compile mono
2015-03-12 16:46 <nebadon> unless its on my raspberry pi
2015-03-12 16:46 <nebadon> then its a few hours
2015-03-12 16:46 <nebadon> lol
2015-03-12 16:46 <AliciaRaven> lol
2015-03-12 16:47 <nebadon> I just did 3.12.1 on the OSCC box
2015-03-12 16:47 <nebadon> seems to be running good
2015-03-12 16:48 <AliciaRaven> i did think about upgrading mono today, but with all the other changes im doing i didnt want to add to the list of possibilities if something went wrong
2015-03-12 16:48 <nebadon> if you follow my instructions
2015-03-12 16:48 <nebadon> it does it in userspace
2015-03-12 16:48 <nebadon> you wont clobber the old mono
2015-03-12 16:48 <nebadon> so its very easy to go back if you run into issues
2015-03-12 16:48 <nebadon> i do not like installing mono to the root system
2015-03-12 16:49 <nebadon> i always install to like /opt/mono-3.10.0 and /opt/mono-3.12.1
2015-03-12 16:49 <nebadon> then i have a soft link in /home/nebadon/bin/mono
2015-03-12 16:49 <nebadon> to /opt folder
2015-03-12 16:49 <nebadon> this way you can hard link the paths to the symlink in user space
2015-03-12 16:49 <nebadon> and when you upgrade mono you just change the symlink
2015-03-12 16:50 <nebadon> don't have to mess with the environment at all
2015-03-12 16:50 <AliciaRaven> thanks, i use ur guide last time, i dont remember problems, i think i just had a bad experience with libgdi incompatability a few times in the past that makes me shudder to think about lol
2015-03-12 16:50 <nebadon> if it fails you change the symlink back to old mono and your back in business with no fuss
2015-03-12 16:50 <nebadon> yea
2015-03-12 16:50 <nebadon> you probably need to do libgdiplus with the --without-libgif
2015-03-12 16:50 <nebadon> during the ./configure
2015-03-12 16:51 <nebadon> we dont need gif support anyway
2015-03-12 16:53 <AliciaRaven> looking at the log again, it hits that error, but opensim continues, it just doesnt load plugins or regions
2015-03-12 17:01 <AliciaRaven> got the sim to start, yay
2015-03-12 17:02 <osmantis> Bug #7498:04 Scripts confused 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7498 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-12 17:04 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, it wasnt tcp, it was the new plugin manager, i had an old mono addins xml file in that directory, i just dont understand why its waited till now to cause a problem
2015-03-12 17:04 <nebadon> cool, glad you figured it out 
2015-03-12 17:04 <nebadon> its odd it gave that message
2015-03-12 17:04 <AliciaRaven> thanks for the suggestions
2015-03-12 17:05 <AliciaRaven> yea, it confused me as that message is always related to TCP connections
2015-03-12 17:06 <AliciaRaven> and that instance was updated a few times since the plugin changes and ran with no problem
2015-03-12 17:08 <AliciaRaven> http://www.spellscape.co.uk/resources/scripts
2015-03-12 17:09 <AliciaRaven> our new script library, automaticaly parses scripts that are submitted and displays the ossl threat level
2015-03-12 17:12 <nebadon> nice
2015-03-12 17:33 <osmantis> Bug #7498:04 Scripts confused 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7498 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-12 18:23 <osmantis> Bug #7436:04 Physics of mesh objects are either non walkable, phantom or unpassable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7436 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-12 21:09 <Trinity93> "Beginning today, we have disabled new project creation on Google Code. We will be shutting down the service about 10 months from now on January 25th, 2016."
2015-03-12 21:09 <Trinity93> http://google-opensource.blogspot.de/2015/03/farewell-to-google-code.html
2015-03-12 21:10 <Trinity93> so if you know of any opensim code on google code you might was save it before it goes bie bie
2015-03-12 21:11 <nebadon> google code has been kind of crippled for some time I thought
2015-03-12 21:20 <Trinity93> i just know there is  lot of code on there by now deceased people
2015-03-12 21:20 <Trinity93> or projects that that have died
2015-03-12 21:20 <Trinity93> simiangrid was hosted on there 
2015-03-12 21:21 <SignpostMarv> "Finally, on January 26, 2016, Google Code will be officially closed. You'll still be able to download tarballs of all your project's files through the end of the year – including source code, issues, and wikis – but after the end of 2016, all bets are off."
2015-03-12 21:21 <SignpostMarv> plenty of time to shift
2015-03-12 21:23 <nebadon> yea this has been planned for a long time
2015-03-12 21:24 <nebadon> we used to host the osgrid releases there
2015-03-12 21:24 <Trinity93> well im just leting people know about it
2015-03-12 21:24 <nebadon> but moved because of this
2015-03-12 21:24 <nebadon> yea I think most stuff has moved over to github now
2015-03-12 21:24 <nebadon> google has been axing a lot of thier free services for a while now
2015-03-12 21:26 <nebadon> not really surprising i imagine it costs a lot of money to keep google code going
2015-03-12 21:26 <nebadon> there is literally no way for them to really monetize that
2015-03-12 21:26 <nebadon> same with Google Translate
2015-03-12 21:26 <nebadon> thats why they killed the API
2015-03-12 21:27 <nebadon> and limited how many calls you can make to it now, they really crippled it
2015-03-13 00:16 <smxy> nebadon: ping
2015-03-13 00:16 <nebadon> hey smxy
2015-03-13 00:16 <smxy> Hi. Did you have any thoughts about the mesh issue I pinged you about a couple days ago?
2015-03-13 00:17 <nebadon> not really no
2015-03-13 00:17 <smxy> I can upload mesh, she can't if it's over 300 vertices, she says.
2015-03-13 00:17 <nebadon> yea that is odd for sure
2015-03-13 00:18 <nebadon> they tried several viewers with same results?
2015-03-13 00:18 <nebadon> my guess is its a driver issue maybe
2015-03-13 00:18 <nebadon> could be hosing the preview
2015-03-13 00:18 <smxy> I'm on a different VLAN from my servers, but all off the same switch. She's in Germany.
2015-03-13 00:18 <nebadon> and hanging the process
2015-03-13 00:18 <nebadon> i have seen that happen
2015-03-13 00:18 <smxy> She has tried Singularity and Firestorm.
2015-03-13 00:18 <nebadon> what about in SL?
2015-03-13 00:19 <nebadon> maybe have them try uploading on beta grid
2015-03-13 00:19 <nebadon> since its free
2015-03-13 00:19 <nebadon> if it happens there too, its probably a driver issue
2015-03-13 00:19 <smxy> She says sometimes it stops working to Craft grid and then later starts again. This time, it was working to my grid and then just stopped.
2015-03-13 00:20 <nebadon> that sounds very typical of something with the hardware itself
2015-03-13 00:20 <nebadon> are they on AMD or Nvidia do you know?
2015-03-13 00:21 <smxy> Now she is bringing stuff into Craft on her Craft avatar and rezzing it out, then taking a copy of it with her Sanctuary avatar and then rezzing it out in Sanctuary when they return.
2015-03-13 00:21 <nebadon> i guess it could be a latency issue
2015-03-13 00:21 <nebadon> where is craft grid
2015-03-13 00:21 <nebadon> is that euro?
2015-03-13 00:21 <smxy> I thnk so.
2015-03-13 00:21 <nebadon> maybe that MTU problem
2015-03-13 00:21 <nebadon> your running updated code though?
2015-03-13 00:22 <smxy> I never see anything logged about mesh uploads so I have nothing to look at on my end.
2015-03-13 00:22 <smxy> I just updated within the hour.
2015-03-13 00:22 <nebadon> yea its probably the viewer
2015-03-13 00:22 <nebadon> it doesnt do well for long periods of timeout
2015-03-13 00:22 <smxy> But it's working just fine to Craft.
2015-03-13 00:22 <nebadon> have them ping or tracert
2015-03-13 00:22 <nebadon> your url vs craft grids
2015-03-13 00:22 <nebadon> see if there is huge latency differences
2015-03-13 00:23 <smxy> Doesn't part of the mesh upload process have to contact SL?
2015-03-13 00:23 <nebadon> no
2015-03-13 00:23 <smxy> Um, I distinctly recall having to take some stupid SL mesh test before my OpenSim avatar was allowed to upload mesh into my own grid, because it was contacting SL.
2015-03-13 00:24 <nebadon> that would have been ages ago
2015-03-13 00:24 <smxy> Yes.
2015-03-13 00:24 <nebadon> the mesh test
2015-03-13 00:24 <nebadon> i dont think they do that anymore
2015-03-13 00:24 <smxy> It pissed me off that SL had ANY say over what I could do in my own grid.
2015-03-13 00:24 <AllenKerensky> yeah that sounds like a viewer glitch
2015-03-13 00:24 <nebadon> well im pretty sure back then you could still log into opensim with a stock SL viewer
2015-03-13 00:24 <AllenKerensky> probably when that test was first implemented
2015-03-13 00:24 <smxy> So doesn't it check that I have "permission"?
2015-03-13 00:24 <nebadon> they have since removed all that functionality
2015-03-13 00:25 <AllenKerensky> no
2015-03-13 00:25 <smxy> ok
2015-03-13 00:25 <AllenKerensky> you can prove it - blackhole all linden packets in your firewall and login to an opensim
2015-03-13 00:25 <smxy> So tht's not it. I wondered if she was failing to get permission 
2015-03-13 00:25 <nebadon> also i recall that test was so you could be a beta tester
2015-03-13 00:26 <nebadon> i doubt it
2015-03-13 00:26 <nebadon> its likely one of two things
2015-03-13 00:26 <nebadon> its either latency is so bad its just timing out and going dead
2015-03-13 00:26 <nebadon> or the preveiw window is glitching
2015-03-13 00:26 <nebadon> my guess is its latency
2015-03-13 00:26 <AllenKerensky> this reminds me of the early internet story of the guy with 500 mile packets - early fun with MTU
2015-03-13 00:26 <nebadon> since its working on some grids and not others
2015-03-13 00:26 <nebadon> that kind of rules out the preview window glitch
2015-03-13 00:27 <nebadon> unless shes just been incredibly unlucky it glitching only when trying on yours
2015-03-13 00:27 <nebadon> that seems very low probability though
2015-03-13 00:27 <smxy> yeah
2015-03-13 00:27 <AllenKerensky> sorry early fun with TTL not MTU - sheesh after-work brain
2015-03-13 00:27 <smxy> let me see if I can explain to her how to do a traceroute.
2015-03-13 00:27 <AllenKerensky> you can view the viewer "console log" - you could maybe get them to look at that as they mesh upload
2015-03-13 00:27 <AllenKerensky> and see if their viewer is barfing log errors that were previously ignored
2015-03-13 00:28 <smxy> She's an older lady in Germany. Thankfully she knows English, because I don't know German. :)
2015-03-13 00:28 <nebadon> i never seem to have any trouble uploading large mesh into my grid in germany
2015-03-13 00:28 <Ubit> i do see viewers just stall  processing the mesh
2015-03-13 00:28 <Ubit> don't even contact the server..
2015-03-13 00:28 <nebadon> ive seen it happen with poorly created mesh
2015-03-13 00:29 <nebadon> where the viewer has to subdivide material faces because they exceed the limits
2015-03-13 00:29 <AllenKerensky> those mesh stalls also likely throw errors in the log - especially if they have holes in the mesh
2015-03-13 00:29 <nebadon> generally those mesh are fubar if they do ever upload anyway
2015-03-13 00:29 <Ubit> or just gets lost in the process
2015-03-13 00:29 <nebadon> you see texture faces get split into insane triangles
2015-03-13 00:29 <AllenKerensky> I saw a load of that when first uploading meshes - I could not figure out why it would hang
2015-03-13 00:29 <nebadon> == bad mesh
2015-03-13 00:29 <AllenKerensky> meanwhile the viewer was screaming about bad mesh in the console log
2015-03-13 00:30 <smxy> That happened to her last year with Firestorm, but I could upload it fine. So I had her switch to Singularity and she's used that ever since. Now it just won't upload stuff.
2015-03-13 00:30 <nebadon> yea you can't exceed i think like 20k triangles on a single material face
2015-03-13 00:30 <nebadon> if you do you make the viewer do a crazy amount of work that it sucks at doing
2015-03-13 00:31 <AllenKerensky> CTRL+SHIFT+4 for debug console - again to turn it back off
2015-03-13 00:31 <smxy> I doubt she'd know what she was looking at
2015-03-13 00:31 <Ubit> at somepoint only phoenix viewer did uploads reliable or better said mesh processing before sending to server
2015-03-13 00:31 <nebadon> not sure if you can view this
2015-03-13 00:31 <nebadon> https://docs.google.com/a/avacon.org/spreadsheets/d/1Xy-COYnM_YybgUVpIsZWyTOTD09Fb2gkJtIX3R3ckng/edit?usp=sharing
2015-03-13 00:32 <nebadon> i modified this from the SL wiki
2015-03-13 00:32 <AllenKerensky> google sheets login?
2015-03-13 00:32 <nebadon> yea bah
2015-03-13 00:32 <nebadon> hang on let me make one you can see easier
2015-03-13 00:34 <smxy> Yeah, this one says I have to ask you for access.
2015-03-13 00:34 <nebadon> http://projectrep.com/docs/Mesh%20Model%20Requirements.pdf
2015-03-13 00:34 <nebadon> made it to a pdf
2015-03-13 00:35 <nebadon> some of the info their relates to my own limitations
2015-03-13 00:35 <nebadon> like unsupported formats etc..
2015-03-13 00:35 <nebadon> originally wrote this for Encitra
2015-03-13 00:35 <smxy> She must, by definition, be making valid mesh, or she wouldn't be able to upload it to Craft Grid.
2015-03-13 00:35 <nebadon> we give this to architects who are providing models to us
2015-03-13 00:36 <nebadon> yea
2015-03-13 00:36 <nebadon> my guess is its some kind of latency issue
2015-03-13 00:36 <nebadon> only thing that really makes sense to me
2015-03-13 00:36 <smxy> And it isn't something I can fix. :(
2015-03-13 00:36 <nebadon> you could maybe have her try adjusting her bandwidth settings
2015-03-13 00:36 <nebadon> i honestly do not know if that has any impact on mesh upload though
2015-03-13 00:36 <nebadon> probably not
2015-03-13 00:38 <smxy> Just out of curiousity, what does a ping or traceroute to me look like for you folks? sanctuary.homelinux.org
2015-03-13 00:38 <nebadon> someone with more knowledge of the viewer would need to confirm or dispel that theory
2015-03-13 00:38 <nebadon> your router must not respond to pings
2015-03-13 00:38 <smxy> I have a 110Mbit/15Mbit pipe into the house.
2015-03-13 00:39 <smxy> Hmm, it might not. but what's traceroute show?
2015-03-13 00:39 <nebadon> 30 hops on traceroute
2015-03-13 00:39 <nebadon> that seems like a lot
2015-03-13 00:39 <smxy> yes
2015-03-13 00:39 <nebadon> where are you located?
2015-03-13 00:39 <smxy> Pennsylvania
2015-03-13 00:39 <smxy> on RCN cable
2015-03-13 00:39 <nebadon> yea im in NJ
2015-03-13 00:40 <nebadon> 30 hops seems like more than i would do to get to china
2015-03-13 00:40 <nebadon> lol
2015-03-13 00:40 <smxy> It shouldn't take 30 hops from NJ to PA
2015-03-13 00:40 <smxy> We're neighboring states for pet's sake
2015-03-13 00:40 <smxy> pete's*
2015-03-13 00:41 <smxy> She isn't having any other issues connecting to my grid. Just uploading mesh. And it's been working for ages for her. Then just stopped.
2015-03-13 00:41 <AllenKerensky> routing, as an engineering profession, practiced by scientists on the internet - ended about the time the NSF broke the backbone
2015-03-13 00:42 <AllenKerensky> after that - a packet going across town is more likely to make a ring around the country before ending up down the street...
2015-03-13 00:43 <AllenKerensky> i haven't looked lately - but within the past few years - pings across houston sometimes went to Dallas, then to Washington, then somewhere like Nebraska, then out the San Francisco, then BACK to  Dallas and finally across Houston
2015-03-13 00:43 <nebadon> yea it looks like i go down to virginia then back up through philly
2015-03-13 00:44 <nebadon> it does show 25ms though smxy
2015-03-13 00:44 <nebadon> so even though its a long route, its very fast
2015-03-13 00:44 <nebadon> i get 120ms to germany
2015-03-13 00:45 <AliciaRaven> out of curiosity what ping do u get for grid.spellscape.co.uk ?
2015-03-13 00:45 <smxy> I've told her how to do a traceroute to me. 
2015-03-13 00:45 <AliciaRaven> just moved the server from england to canada today, 7gb asset db transfer, nasty lol
2015-03-13 00:45 <nebadon> like like about 65ms
2015-03-13 00:45 <nebadon> AliciaRaven
2015-03-13 00:46 <AliciaRaven> ty
2015-03-13 00:46 <smxy> nebadon: did you do the traceroute to me on Linux?
2015-03-13 00:46 <nebadon> yes
2015-03-13 00:47 <nebadon> im in full linux mode at the moment, all workstations :)
2015-03-13 00:47 <smxy> it will show all 30 hops even if they aren't needed. how many hops was it before all remaining lines wer just asterisks?
2015-03-13 00:48 <nebadon> hang on i closed it 1 sec
2015-03-13 00:48 <AliciaRaven> smxy, i tried a tracerout using a website (dont know the commands to do it directly) and the site said the last 3 where firewalled, i know the cant be tho, confusing
2015-03-13 00:48 <smxy> I get to spellscape in 10 hops
2015-03-13 00:49 <nebadon> yea 22 hops actually that still seems high
2015-03-13 00:49 <smxy> yes
2015-03-13 00:49 <nebadon> seems like most of them are at level3
2015-03-13 00:49 <AliciaRaven> said "No reply for 3 hops. Assuming we reached firewall." and also said 30 hops
2015-03-13 00:49 <nebadon> between comcast and your isp
2015-03-13 00:50 <AliciaRaven> spellscape is totally in canada after today, moved the last server out of the uk today
2015-03-13 00:50 <smxy> can you pastebin it, nebadon?
2015-03-13 00:51 <smxy> I got about 33ms to spellscape. Not bad.
2015-03-13 00:51 <AliciaRaven> thats what i had when it was in the UK, now i get 100ms but thats what firestorm tells me, some reason i dont trust it lol
2015-03-13 00:53 <smxy> Is spellscape in Canada now?
2015-03-13 00:54 <AliciaRaven> yes, we have been moving servers gradually, but after today all of them are there now
2015-03-13 00:54 <smxy> Oh, yes, you said that above and I missed it. sorry :)
2015-03-13 00:54 <AliciaRaven> np
2015-03-13 00:56 <AliciaRaven> i had estimated it would take 10 minutes to transfer 7gb of assets between server on a 100bmps connection, didnt factor in the mysql overheads, took 2 hours
2015-03-13 00:57 <nebadon> oh darn I closed it again smxy but I just looked again
2015-03-13 00:58 <nebadon> and i realized i looked at the wrong one
2015-03-13 00:58 <nebadon> i just up arrowed and forgot i did one after yours lol
2015-03-13 00:58 <nebadon> let me do it again 1 sec
2015-03-13 00:58 <smxy> heh
2015-03-13 00:58 <nebadon> ok yours is 9 hops
2015-03-13 00:58 <nebadon> i swear it was more earlier though
2015-03-13 00:59 <smxy> that sounds better
2015-03-13 00:59 <smxy> you aren't actually getting to my firewall I bet, but one hop away. I have it locked down pretty tight.
2015-03-13 00:59 <nebadon> yea
2015-03-13 00:59 <nebadon> this is last hop it shows
2015-03-13 00:59 <nebadon>  9  port-chan2.eas-ubr1.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.net (208.59.252.66)  30.646 ms  39.934 ms  40.686 ms
2015-03-13 00:59 <smxy> She did the traceroute and it looks like she gets to me in 10-11 hops, up to 115ms
2015-03-13 01:00 <AliciaRaven> tighter than a crabs ass?
2015-03-13 01:00 <nebadon> actually showing higher ms now too
2015-03-13 01:00 <smxy> yes, that's where hers stops reporting at too
2015-03-13 01:00 <AliciaRaven> water tight!
2015-03-13 01:00 <smxy> haha
2015-03-13 01:00 <AliciaRaven> sorry, i had a few glasses of wine so im abit chattier than usual
2015-03-13 01:00 <smxy> lol
2015-03-13 01:00 <nebadon> yea interestingly when i traceroute my encitragrid in germany
2015-03-13 01:00 <nebadon> that was 22 hops
2015-03-13 01:01 <nebadon> and it takes almost the same route to virginia as yours
2015-03-13 01:01 <nebadon> then diverges there
2015-03-13 01:03 <smxy> having her do a tracert to Craft now.
2015-03-13 01:05 <AliciaRaven> i thought craft was a kind of processed cheese lol
2015-03-13 01:06 <smxy> That's Kraft. :)
2015-03-13 01:08 <smxy> Still waiting for her reply ...
2015-03-13 01:10 <smxy> She gets to Craft in 18 hops with a max of 47ms
2015-03-13 01:10 <AliciaRaven> shame its not a world made of cheese populated by mouse avatars
2015-03-13 01:10 <smxy> Just how much wine DID you have? ;)
2015-03-13 01:11 <AliciaRaven> umm couple of glasses
2015-03-13 01:11 <smxy> On an empty stomach?
2015-03-13 01:11 <AliciaRaven> not saying how big the glasses are like :P
2015-03-13 01:11 <smxy> lol
2015-03-13 01:21 <smxy> what I really need is someone in the US to upload a mesh to my grid, to prove they can. I'm on the same switch as the server, so I'd expect it to work for me.
2015-03-13 01:33 <AliciaRaven> using a traceroute website, my grid uri goes from seatle to kansas to san fransisco, that cant be right lol
2015-03-13 01:33 <smxy> When my resident uploads, she says she always sets all three triangle values to their maximum.
2015-03-13 01:37 <smxy> hrmph. She sent me one she can upload to craft, but not to Sanctuary, and I can't upload it either.
2015-03-13 01:38 <AliciaRaven> is it a huge poly count nasty mess?
2015-03-13 01:39 <smxy> I select the file, run all three triangle values up to their max - 2909 in this case - then calculate weights and fees. Then it goes away and I can't upload. She said it should be ready to upload after about 2 mintes. It's been over 5 now and nothing.
2015-03-13 01:40 <AliciaRaven> sorry, i never had problems with mesh so i automaticaly assume its made badly
2015-03-13 01:40 <nebadon> is craft grid running old code?
2015-03-13 01:40 <nebadon> or ODE?
2015-03-13 01:40 <smxy> No clue
2015-03-13 01:40 <smxy> He sim in my grid is running Bulletsim
2015-03-13 01:41 <smxy> Her*
2015-03-13 01:42 <smxy> let me see if I can find out.
2015-03-13 01:43 <nebadon> k
2015-03-13 01:44 <smxy> Alicia, how can I tell if it's "a huge poly count nasty mess"?
2015-03-13 01:44 <nebadon> well 2909 is quite low
2015-03-13 01:44 <smxy> okay
2015-03-13 01:45 <nebadon> is she making the collada files with Blender?
2015-03-13 01:45 <smxy> I believe so.
2015-03-13 01:45 <smxy> She's spent the ;ast year learning Blender.
2015-03-13 01:45 <smxy> last*
2015-03-13 01:46 <nebadon> ok cool
2015-03-13 01:46 <nebadon> i wonder what version of blender
2015-03-13 01:46 <nebadon> that can have some bearing i have found
2015-03-13 01:46 <smxy> I have the file, so  how do I watch the log during an upload, AllenKerensky? You mentioned that.
2015-03-13 01:46 <nebadon> differing versions of collada
2015-03-13 01:46 <AllenKerensky> CTRL+SHIFT+4 should bring up debug log
2015-03-13 01:46 <AllenKerensky> and use same keys again to turn it back off
2015-03-13 01:47 <smxy> got it.
2015-03-13 01:48 <smxy> It's supposedly calculating the weights and fees and no errors are showing in the log.
2015-03-13 01:49 <AllenKerensky> so now you get dinner
2015-03-13 01:49 <AllenKerensky> I've seen that calculating step take a gooood long chunk
2015-03-13 01:50 <AllenKerensky> double-digit minutes for a recent 17000 tri mesh I uploaded as a test
2015-03-13 01:50 <smxy> is there any way I can get my grid or the viewer to log what's happening?
2015-03-13 01:50 <AllenKerensky> not that I know of - once its calculating - its just a game of patience
2015-03-13 01:51 <AllenKerensky> but that's when you might see it throw warnings about holes in the mesh or other weirdness
2015-03-13 01:51 <AllenKerensky> but it may not be immediate
2015-03-13 01:51 <nebadon> smxy any chance you can send me the dae file
2015-03-13 01:51 <nebadon> i can try uploading on my home grid too
2015-03-13 01:51 <smxy> sure
2015-03-13 01:51 <nebadon> email to nebadon2025@gmail.com
2015-03-13 01:51 <nebadon> probably easiest way
2015-03-13 01:52 <smxy> ok
2015-03-13 01:53 <AliciaRaven> whats 2025 about nebadon? are u pyschic and know some thing about the future? lol
2015-03-13 01:53 <nebadon> hehe
2015-03-13 01:53 <AllenKerensky> he lives in the future while being stuck in today
2015-03-13 01:54 <smxy> sent
2015-03-13 01:54 <nebadon> I will be 50 years old in 2025
2015-03-13 01:54 <AliciaRaven> compared to u guys im in the future haha its already friday where i am
2015-03-13 01:54 <smxy> I wish I were 50 again.
2015-03-13 01:54 <AllenKerensky> mentally its been friday for me since Sunday evening... just waiting for body to catch up
2015-03-13 01:54 <smxy> Going to be 57 in 2 months and 2 days.
2015-03-13 01:55 <AliciaRaven> im 30, that was a hard bday to take, does it get easier?
2015-03-13 01:55 <AllenKerensky> yeah you do start caring way less I think
2015-03-13 01:55 <AllenKerensky> "oh, another birthday pfftt"
2015-03-13 01:55 <AliciaRaven> lol i been feeling abit that way
2015-03-13 01:56 <smxy> Yes. Eventually you just are glad you HAD another birthday. :)
2015-03-13 01:56 <nebadon> mesh looks good in blender
2015-03-13 01:56 <smxy> And then, as my 80 year old aunt would tell you, you finally start saying "It's okay if I don't have any more."
2015-03-13 01:57 <AliciaRaven> my gran is that way, she is waiting for the end :(
2015-03-13 01:57 <smxy> she made it with Blender 2.71 on Windows 8.1, nebadon
2015-03-13 01:58 <smxy> My aunt's health is poor. She says she's ready.
2015-03-13 01:58 <smxy> I understand, but don't want to encourage her. :(
2015-03-13 01:58 <smxy> To go, that is.
2015-03-13 01:59 <AliciaRaven> i know what u mean, its so hard to see them unwell and wanting to go, tears me in two
2015-03-13 02:00 <smxy> Grampy shot himself, once his quality of life got unbearable. :(
2015-03-13 02:00 <AliciaRaven> my gran doesnt even recognize me now so i hope she isnt so aware of feeling that way
2015-03-13 02:00 <AliciaRaven> :(
2015-03-13 02:00 <smxy> Still calculating ...
2015-03-13 02:01 <nebadon> ya very strange
2015-03-13 02:01 <nebadon> slow for me too
2015-03-13 02:01 <AllenKerensky> needs more hamsters on the wheel?
2015-03-13 02:02 <smxy> nebadon, she says she has uploaded this file in 2 minutes to Craft before, but right now, she is unable to. Hmm.
2015-03-13 02:08 <AliciaRaven> isnt craft a german grid?
2015-03-13 02:08 <MarcusLlewellyn> At what step in the mesh upload process is the failure taking place? Sorry if you've already said... I just skimmed that last hour or so of chat history.
2015-03-13 02:08 <nebadon> first step
2015-03-13 02:09 <nebadon> calculating
2015-03-13 02:09 <nebadon> it just never seems to finish
2015-03-13 02:09 <smxy> yes
2015-03-13 02:09 <MarcusLlewellyn> Ugh. Yeah. That's so frickin' tempermantal. I've had meshes upload just fine, I make a small change, nothing bizaarre or fancy, and the calculate step goes zombie.
2015-03-13 02:10 <smxy> She just uploaded something to my grid, that she says has slightly more triangles at max, and it went fine. So now we wonder if something's happened to this file, since it worked in Craft before but not there or for me or for you.
2015-03-13 02:10 <MarcusLlewellyn> And it's a problem I've seen forver, with all TPVs that don't use Havok in the caluclation step.
2015-03-13 02:10 <AliciaRaven> isnt the calc step viewer side only? or does the server have a part in that before the upload?
2015-03-13 02:11 <MarcusLlewellyn> That's what drives me nuts. I don't know what all the viewer is caluclating, but it doesn't *need* to be doing convex hull for OpenSim. Bullet does that server side, or the user can provide their own premade hull.
2015-03-13 02:11 <MarcusLlewellyn> At least, that's my understanding.
2015-03-13 02:12 <AliciaRaven> maybe its doing the extra work just to calculate the sl land impact, even tho os doesnt care
2015-03-13 02:12 <MarcusLlewellyn> If it's doing LOD and stuff, then I guess it could be hanging there too, though.
2015-03-13 02:13 <MarcusLlewellyn> I don't know that any TPV dev has looked into it. I think that was all NickyP's bailywick, and no one else really has touched it since.
2015-03-13 02:13 <AliciaRaven> yea i think lod would be more probable, as it has to reduce the vert count and try to keep the mesh looking good, i would expect that will cause issues
2015-03-13 02:14 <MarcusLlewellyn> All I know for certain is that OpenSim TPVs do the mesh calculation step slower with with a much higher failure rate than the LL viewer does. 
2015-03-13 02:14 <smxy> I thought latif did a lot of work with Mesh. He'd know, I bet.
2015-03-13 02:14 <MarcusLlewellyn> I've resorted to a hex-edited verion of LL's to upload meshes on occasion.
2015-03-13 02:16 <nebadon> im trying with all levels on maximum
2015-03-13 02:16 <nebadon> and it still is hanging for me
2015-03-13 02:16 <smxy> Somehow, I don't think I can ask her to do that, since she barely knew what a command window was to do the tracert for me. :)
2015-03-13 02:16 <smxy> I'm using FS. What are you using, nebadon?
2015-03-13 02:16 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yeah. I don't have a version of LL's ready to go for Opensim at the moment. I reinstalled my OS this last weekend and just blew my viewers away.
2015-03-13 02:17 <nebadon> Replex
2015-03-13 02:17 <nebadon> in Linux
2015-03-13 02:17 <nebadon> 64 bit
2015-03-13 02:18 <nebadon> it does have non manifold geometry
2015-03-13 02:19 <nebadon> wonder if thats causing problems 
2015-03-13 02:19 <MarcusLlewellyn> It might if it's very complex. If it's simple, it really shouldn't.
2015-03-13 02:19 <dahlia> what's the problem?
2015-03-13 02:19 <nebadon> its crazy simple
2015-03-13 02:20 <smxy> what does "non manifold geometry" mean?
2015-03-13 02:20 <nebadon> this very simple collada file seems to never get past the calculation phase of mesh upload
2015-03-13 02:20 <AliciaRaven> ah dahlia, u did the os mesh work didnt u?
2015-03-13 02:20 <dahlia> manifold means one piece, no holes
2015-03-13 02:20 <nebadon> ya basically its like a bowl with a hole in the bottom
2015-03-13 02:20 <MarcusLlewellyn> I create non-manifold meshes all the time to cut down on vertices. I do provide my own physics meshes though, and those are always properly closed.
2015-03-13 02:20 <nebadon> water could leak out 
2015-03-13 02:20 <dahlia> 
ACTION did most of the collision geometry work, yes

2015-03-13 02:21 <nebadon> in this case though its non manifold edges
2015-03-13 02:21 <dahlia> holes are ok
2015-03-13 02:21 <nebadon> yea
2015-03-13 02:21 <nebadon> technically it shouldnt matter
2015-03-13 02:21 <dahlia> well it might matter if you try to generate hulls
2015-03-13 02:21 <nebadon> these however are not clean
2015-03-13 02:21 <nebadon> its very scattered
2015-03-13 02:21 <nebadon> some are just single vertices
2015-03-13 02:22 <nebadon> but removing doubles doesnt fix it
2015-03-13 02:22 <MarcusLlewellyn> What happens if you close that mesh up, quick and dirty?
2015-03-13 02:22 <nebadon> would be difficult
2015-03-13 02:22 <dahlia> what's the problem?
2015-03-13 02:22 <nebadon> it never calculates
2015-03-13 02:22 <nebadon> it just hangs
2015-03-13 02:22 <dahlia> what never calculates?
2015-03-13 02:22 <nebadon> the viewer
2015-03-13 02:22 <nebadon> when you upload
2015-03-13 02:22 <nebadon> the first phase
2015-03-13 02:22 <MarcusLlewellyn> The mesh uplaod calcuation step. 
2015-03-13 02:22 <MarcusLlewellyn> In the viewer.
2015-03-13 02:22 <dahlia> you mean cost?
2015-03-13 02:23 <nebadon> ya calculate fees
2015-03-13 02:23 <dahlia> is it a large mesh?
2015-03-13 02:23 <nebadon> no
2015-03-13 02:23 <nebadon> not at all
2015-03-13 02:23 <nebadon> 2889 vertices
2015-03-13 02:23 <MarcusLlewellyn> Can we get our hands on it?
2015-03-13 02:23 <nebadon> sorry 2889 triangles
2015-03-13 02:23 <dahlia> can I get a copy of the daw?
2015-03-13 02:23 <dahlia> dae
2015-03-13 02:23 <nebadon> smxy?
2015-03-13 02:23 <smxy> yes
2015-03-13 02:23 <smxy> just a sec.
2015-03-13 02:24 <nebadon> its only 347k
2015-03-13 02:24 <nebadon> its tiny
2015-03-13 02:24 <smxy> she told me she forgot about her last attempt to upload it in my grid, and it worked - but took over an hour.
2015-03-13 02:24 <smxy> where do I send it, dahlia?
2015-03-13 02:24 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yeah... I've had to walk away while it cogitates over some meshes.
2015-03-13 02:24 <dahlia> anywahere I can download it
2015-03-13 02:24 <smxy> Oh, I'll stick it in my dropbox. just a sec
2015-03-13 02:25 <nebadon> i could throw it on my ftp
2015-03-13 02:25 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/collada/haus-5b.dae
2015-03-13 02:25 <nebadon> there you go smxy
2015-03-13 02:25 <smxy> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16941610/haus-5b.dae
2015-03-13 02:25 <nebadon> haha
2015-03-13 02:25 <smxy> :)
2015-03-13 02:25 <AliciaRaven> snap?
2015-03-13 02:25 <AliciaRaven> lol
2015-03-13 02:26 <dahlia> stupid browser displays the xml
2015-03-13 02:26 <dahlia> sec I wget it
2015-03-13 02:27 <smxy> dahlia: she runs the triangle values , for all three values, up to their max, before calculating
2015-03-13 02:27 <MarcusLlewellyn> You said she's using 2.71? Just wanna use the same collada export she is.
2015-03-13 02:27 <nebadon> i even tried with the viewer defaults
2015-03-13 02:27 <nebadon> same results
2015-03-13 02:27 <nebadon> i also removed doubles and exported with blender 2.73
2015-03-13 02:27 <nebadon> same thing
2015-03-13 02:28 <nebadon> i could try punching out the manifold piece
2015-03-13 02:28 <nebadon> non manifold
2015-03-13 02:28 <smxy> yes, 2.71
2015-03-13 02:28 <nebadon> also
2015-03-13 02:28 <nebadon> whenever i cancel the upload
2015-03-13 02:28 <nebadon> i have to end task on the viewer
2015-03-13 02:29 <nebadon> or it just freezes on logout
2015-03-13 02:29 <nebadon> whatever is happening is killing the viewer
2015-03-13 02:29 <smxy> I froze on logut and had to kill the viewer.
2015-03-13 02:29 <dahlia> looks simple enough in blender
2015-03-13 02:30 <smxy> Nothing like a mystery and a challenge to wake the room up. :)
2015-03-13 02:30 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yeah... just eyeballing it, this shouldn't be killing the viewer.
2015-03-13 02:32 <smxy> Now THAT's interesting. I switched to Kokua and it finished calculating in about 2-3 minutes. Trying to upload it now.
2015-03-13 02:32 <dahlia> calculating.....
2015-03-13 02:32 <nebadon> punching out non-manifold didnt help
2015-03-13 02:32 <nebadon> smxy be sure to repeat the test
2015-03-13 02:33 <nebadon> might just be a one in a million thing
2015-03-13 02:33 <nebadon> lol
2015-03-13 02:33 <smxy> If it actually uploads, I will.
2015-03-13 02:33 <MarcusLlewellyn> Normals are completely wrong in the mesh upload preview in Singularity.
2015-03-13 02:33 <dahlia> I dont know why it takes so long there but... *blames the viewer*
2015-03-13 02:33 <nebadon> i did backface culling in blender
2015-03-13 02:33 <dahlia> anyone try in SL?
2015-03-13 02:33 <nebadon> and they look right
2015-03-13 02:34 <nebadon> I did not
2015-03-13 02:34 <smxy> no
2015-03-13 02:34 <dahlia> nebadon: you mean single sided?
2015-03-13 02:34 <MarcusLlewellyn> The normals look fine to me in Blender. Just the viewer's mesh upload preview that looked whacky.
2015-03-13 02:34 <nebadon> well doing back face culling lets you tell if normals are correct
2015-03-13 02:35 <dahlia> back face culling is a rendering option, not a mesh option
2015-03-13 02:35 <MarcusLlewellyn> But that thing meshes up other things too. It often doesn't display yser privided physics right, and they work fine when uploaded.
2015-03-13 02:35 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/backface_culling.png
2015-03-13 02:35 <nebadon> it does backface culling in the work environment
2015-03-13 02:35 <nebadon> blener does not do it by default
2015-03-13 02:35 <nebadon> and shows double sided when in reality its not of course
2015-03-13 02:36 <dahlia> ya thats just a opengl flag
2015-03-13 02:36 <MarcusLlewellyn> I have normals displayed for both vertices and faces. They look fine.
2015-03-13 02:36 <nebadon> easiest way i have found to check normals
2015-03-13 02:36 <nebadon> plus it looks exactly how it will look in world that way
2015-03-13 02:36 <nebadon> which is nice
2015-03-13 02:37 <MarcusLlewellyn> My viewer has been calcuating this for 5 mins now. That's just icky.
2015-03-13 02:37 <nebadon> yea
2015-03-13 02:37 <nebadon> i let it go over 10 minutes a couple times
2015-03-13 02:37 <nebadon> never responded, had to kill viewer
2015-03-13 02:37 <MarcusLlewellyn> I"m gonna kill it, and try closing up some of thses holes and try it again.
2015-03-13 02:37 <dahlia> I dont knoe who wrote that uploader but I think most of the TPVs grabbed that code and included it
2015-03-13 02:38 <nebadon> its some opensource package I think
2015-03-13 02:38 <nebadon> i forget what its called now
2015-03-13 02:38 <dahlia> well the hull generater is
2015-03-13 02:38 <dahlia> but I did not generate hulls
2015-03-13 02:38 <MarcusLlewellyn> Ywah. The viewer is bugged with this. It won't close normally, even when the upload has been cnaceled, and the dialog closed. I have to kill it.
2015-03-13 02:38 <MarcusLlewellyn> I'd call that a bug. Something is *hung*.
2015-03-13 02:38 <nebadon> yea let me try specifying the same dae file as the physics
2015-03-13 02:38 <nebadon> see if that makes a diff
2015-03-13 02:38 <MarcusLlewellyn> I've seen that lots before too.
2015-03-13 02:39 <dahlia> viewer is eating 4 cores up on my computer
2015-03-13 02:39 <smxy> same
2015-03-13 02:39 <MarcusLlewellyn> It runs away. That can't be expected behavior.
2015-03-13 02:39 <dahlia> I dont think it's opensim
2015-03-13 02:39 <MarcusLlewellyn> It's not. I've been saying that for years. ;)
2015-03-13 02:40 <dahlia> gonna try SL if viewer will ever close
2015-03-13 02:40 <MarcusLlewellyn> This isn't new. I've had it happen way too often.
2015-03-13 02:40 <dahlia> ya Ive had it happen before too, with very large meshes tho
2015-03-13 02:40 <MarcusLlewellyn> That's the most reliable way to repro it. But it has happened with simpler ones for me, inexplicably.
2015-03-13 02:41 <nebadon> ya ive never seen anything this simple fail like this
2015-03-13 02:41 <dahlia> one time I let it go and a few hours later it finally let me upload
2015-03-13 02:41 <nebadon> most of the ones ive seen fail i had no business even trying
2015-03-13 02:41 <nebadon> lol
2015-03-13 02:42 <nebadon> specifying the dae file as the physics hull doesnt help
2015-03-13 02:44 <smxy> Okay, my resident has gone to bed, as it's late in Germany. I'm going to go feed my cats and be back in 15-20 minutes. Maybe you folks will have solved this mystery by then. :)
2015-03-13 02:44 <smxy> Thnks, BTW. :)
2015-03-13 02:44 <dahlia> trying in sl now
2015-03-13 02:44 <MarcusLlewellyn> I'm closing up al the holes in it I can find. Will rexport it and try it when I'm finished.
2015-03-13 02:45 <dahlia> dong the same thing
2015-03-13 02:45 <dahlia> *doing
2015-03-13 02:47 <dahlia> ya same thing in SL beta grid. I'd say if it works with kokua then use that
2015-03-13 02:48 <MarcusLlewellyn> Cleaning up someone else's mesh is hard. I can't definitely locate the right edges in one of the floors for sure. lol
2015-03-13 02:48 <nebadon> interesting
2015-03-13 02:48 <dahlia> oh "MAV_BLOCK_MISSING" whatever that meand
2015-03-13 02:48 <nebadon> i did a solidify modifier
2015-03-13 02:48 <dahlia> means
2015-03-13 02:49 <nebadon> and it uploads in like 5 seconds
2015-03-13 02:49 <nebadon> its double the triangles
2015-03-13 02:49 <nebadon> but it literally uploaded in seconds
2015-03-13 02:50 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/collada/fubar_mesh_01_001.png
2015-03-13 02:50 <nebadon> very strange
2015-03-13 02:50 <dahlia> 
ACTION looks at all the triangles in the staircase and cringes...

2015-03-13 02:50 <MarcusLlewellyn> heh
2015-03-13 02:52 <MarcusLlewellyn> This thing isn't *quite* as simple as it looks first glance. There's a bit of origami here.
2015-03-13 02:52 <nebadon> yea
2015-03-13 02:52 <nebadon> do a select non-manifold 
2015-03-13 02:52 <nebadon> in edit mode
2015-03-13 02:52 <nebadon> its very scattered
2015-03-13 02:52 <nebadon> still
2015-03-13 02:52 <nebadon> i dont think it should clobber the viewer
2015-03-13 02:53 <MarcusLlewellyn> Oh, I missed a couple holes. Darnit.
2015-03-13 02:53 <MarcusLlewellyn> I can't close this thing up neatly without adding a lot more polys, or some major retopoology.
2015-03-13 02:54 <MarcusLlewellyn> My advice? Split it up into mupliple meshes, and try uploading it up peicemeal.
2015-03-13 02:54 <MarcusLlewellyn> Advice to the user this belongs to, that is.
2015-03-13 02:55 <dahlia> manifold shouldn't matter
2015-03-13 02:55 <nebadon> yea I agree
2015-03-13 02:55 <nebadon> but when you look at it its not clean at all
2015-03-13 02:55 <nebadon> i really dont see much else wrong with it though otherwise
2015-03-13 02:56 <dahlia> definatly not pro artwork but should still upload
2015-03-13 02:56 <nebadon> i have an idea
2015-03-13 02:56 <nebadon> planar decimate
2015-03-13 02:57 <MarcusLlewellyn> I don't think that'll fix the origami in this tihing. 
2015-03-13 02:57 <nebadon> yep
2015-03-13 02:57 <nebadon> that does it
2015-03-13 02:58 <nebadon> uploads even faster
2015-03-13 02:58 <nebadon> and looks identical
2015-03-13 02:58 <nebadon> i did a planar decimate
2015-03-13 02:58 <nebadon> then retriangulate it
2015-03-13 02:58 <nebadon> and instaupload
2015-03-13 02:58 <dahlia> I did a "remove doubles" but didn't help
2015-03-13 02:59 <MarcusLlewellyn> I did that too, with the same rsult.
2015-03-13 02:59 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/collada/fubar_mesh_01_002.png
2015-03-13 02:59 <nebadon> decimated on top
2015-03-13 02:59 <nebadon> solidified on bottom
2015-03-13 02:59 <MarcusLlewellyn> I'd do this over, really. Call it a learning experience, and pay extra attention to topology.
2015-03-13 02:59 <nebadon> decimated was 899 triangles
2015-03-13 03:00 <MarcusLlewellyn> This isn't just non-manifold. It's trying to mary non-madifold parts to manifold ones. It's all over the place.
2015-03-13 03:01 <nebadon> right
2015-03-13 03:01 <nebadon> its super scattered
2015-03-13 03:01 <nebadon> even punching it doesnt help though
2015-03-13 03:01 <nebadon> selecting the non-man and punching it out
2015-03-13 03:01 <smxy> back
2015-03-13 03:02 <MarcusLlewellyn> I'm glad she's not here, cuz I feel like a meanie critiqueing her, especially when *I* am not a professional. Heh.
2015-03-13 03:02 <nebadon> yea i suspect if this ever uploaded it was by shear chance alone
2015-03-13 03:02 <nebadon> maybe like 1 in 100 attempts
2015-03-13 03:02 <nebadon> would cleanly upload fast
2015-03-13 03:03 <MarcusLlewellyn> I think we're all agreed? This isn't OpenSim. This is just a confused viewer.
2015-03-13 03:03 <smxy> Reading back on your commetns, it sounds like bad mesh.
2015-03-13 03:03 <smxy> comments*
2015-03-13 03:03 <MarcusLlewellyn> It's... not good mesh. :/
2015-03-13 03:04 <nebadon> TL;DR "It's... not good mesh. :/"
2015-03-13 03:04 <smxy> So, how do I explain this to her gently? ;)
2015-03-13 03:04 <nebadon> lol
2015-03-13 03:04 <nebadon> well
2015-03-13 03:04 <nebadon> she can do a planar decimate
2015-03-13 03:04 <nebadon> and then triangulate it again
2015-03-13 03:04 <nebadon> however
2015-03-13 03:04 <nebadon> it will likely not take a texture well
2015-03-13 03:05 <nebadon> so i guess it truly depends on the end goal
2015-03-13 03:05 <MarcusLlewellyn> Topology, she needs to discover it. I did this sort of things when I was starting out. There's some good Blender tutorials floating around on the topic.
2015-03-13 03:05 <nebadon> i suspect the original will not texture well either
2015-03-13 03:05 <nebadon> so it likely wouldnt matter
2015-03-13 03:05 <MarcusLlewellyn> I was thinking the excact same thing. This thing will be weird to UV map.
2015-03-13 03:06 <nebadon> yea thats where the non-manifold can be problematic
2015-03-13 03:06 <MarcusLlewellyn> Good topolgy *also* makes UV mapping easier in the long run.
2015-03-13 03:07 <dahlia> ya I tried what nebadon tries with the decimate and solidify and it uploaded, 3-4x the vert count tho
2015-03-13 03:07 <nebadon> ya if you only do decimate and then triangulate
2015-03-13 03:07 <nebadon> its about 1/3 the triangles
2015-03-13 03:07 <nebadon> with no loss in quality
2015-03-13 03:07 <nebadon> but it also highlighs the flaws
2015-03-13 03:07 <smxy> Maybe I should just send her a copy of this chat.
2015-03-13 03:07 <nebadon> you can see the overlap
2015-03-13 03:08 <dahlia> its definately a viewer bug, but not sure who to ask to fix it
2015-03-13 03:08 <MarcusLlewellyn> Oh dear. I don't want her to hate me. lol. I've never met her, and I don't want that. 
2015-03-13 03:08 <smxy> I could edit the names to protect the innocent. :)
2015-03-13 03:08 <nebadon> well its an honest critique
2015-03-13 03:08 <nebadon> were not trying to make her feel bad
2015-03-13 03:09 <MarcusLlewellyn> YEah. This isn't new. It's been a thing literally since OpenSim got mesh upload without the Havok Library.
2015-03-13 03:09 <smxy> She started learnng mesh this past summer, so almost a year.
2015-03-13 03:09 <MarcusLlewellyn> Although in fairness, even the Havok one can freak out sometimes, although it fails more gracefully.
2015-03-13 03:09 <nebadon> yea im sure havok has much better broken mesh handling abilities
2015-03-13 03:09 <dahlia> mesh takes a long time. It's not something one becomes expert in in just a year
2015-03-13 03:10 <dahlia> but regardless, it shouldn't fail to upload like that
2015-03-13 03:10 <nebadon> yea
2015-03-13 03:11 <smxy> I appreciate everyone's time in figuring this out.
2015-03-13 03:12 <nebadon> np
2015-03-13 03:14 <dahlia> trying just decimate and triangulate, fewer verts but same problem
2015-03-13 03:15 <dahlia> also if you zoom in in the upload preview window theres a little box like thing above the house
2015-03-13 03:15 <dahlia> maybe that's a problem
2015-03-13 03:16 <smxy> oh yes, I see what you mean
2015-03-13 03:17 <smxy> Ever hear of Lumiere Noir in SL?
2015-03-13 03:18 <smxy> He created the Ivory Tower of Learning.
2015-03-13 03:18 <nebadon> don't think so
2015-03-13 03:18 <nebadon> ah
2015-03-13 03:18 <nebadon> dahlia decimate and triangulate worked for me
2015-03-13 03:18 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/collada/fubar_mesh_01_002.png
2015-03-13 03:18 <nebadon> that version is on top
2015-03-13 03:18 <dahlia> not me
2015-03-13 03:19 <nebadon> and the solidfy version is on bottom
2015-03-13 03:19 <dahlia> I think I met lumiere noir before
2015-03-13 03:19 <dahlia> dont remember tho
2015-03-13 03:19 <smxy> He and his partner, Tosha Tyran, are in my grid now. They both started learning Blender a year ago and it's Tosha that's having this problem. 
2015-03-13 03:20 <dahlia> ah
2015-03-13 03:20 <dahlia> well say hi for me, if he remembers me
2015-03-13 03:20 <nebadon> surprisingly the decimated version does take a texture fine
2015-03-13 03:20 <nebadon> in planar
2015-03-13 03:20 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/collada/fubar_mesh_01_003.png
2015-03-13 03:21 <smxy> My first thought was that my grid was broken, so I dove in to fix it, but now I'm thinking the grid is okay, but there's a viewer bug that's choking on mesh that ... could be better, if I undersatand you ll.
2015-03-13 03:21 <nebadon> better than I expected it too anyway
2015-03-13 03:21 <dahlia> 
ACTION shudders at the thought of using planar mapping with mesh...

2015-03-13 03:21 <smxy> ... you all*.
2015-03-13 03:21 <nebadon> well I practically live at Ivory Tower in SL
2015-03-13 03:22 <nebadon> i dont think ive left that region for more than about 5 minutes in the past 5 years
2015-03-13 03:22 <nebadon> lol
2015-03-13 03:22 <smxy> That's where I learned to build. :)
2015-03-13 03:22 <dahlia> I just opened the editor and started pushing buttons
2015-03-13 03:23 <dahlia> but I didnt have a clue about how prims worked until I implemented them in opensim
2015-03-13 03:23 <nebadon> yea it took me a long time to figure it out
2015-03-13 03:23 <BlueWall> haha dahlia
2015-03-13 03:23 <nebadon> just to even link to items
2015-03-13 03:23 <dahlia> then I spent 6 monts in wireframe mode in SL lol
2015-03-13 03:24 <nebadon> first 3 months i spent mostly wandering and laughing at everything
2015-03-13 03:24 <nebadon> hehe
2015-03-13 03:24 <dahlia> and now I KNOW prims :P
2015-03-13 03:24 <dahlia> in EXCRUCIATING DETAIL 
2015-03-13 03:24 <nebadon> lol
2015-03-13 03:24 <BlueWall> When I first went there, I saw a camping place nearby and all the avatars there were in the T pose ...
2015-03-13 03:24 <smxy> lol
2015-03-13 03:24 <BlueWall> I thought they were having execrise classes, lol.
2015-03-13 03:25 <dahlia> lol
2015-03-13 03:25 <smxy> I was orbited in my first hour. :)
2015-03-13 03:25 <dahlia> I was orbited by a stranger on my own land, so I banned him and he ARd me for banning him lol
2015-03-13 03:25 <smxy> lol
2015-03-13 03:26 <BlueWall> haha
2015-03-13 03:26 <BlueWall> I visited the Ivory Tower a few times, College of Scripting and Music, Particle Lab, etc.
2015-03-13 03:26 <BlueWall> collected freebies and dismantled them for study.
2015-03-13 03:27 <dahlia> i went to ivory a couple times but I went to particla lab a lot
2015-03-13 03:27 <BlueWall> It was all like magic for a time.
2015-03-13 03:27 <dahlia> the particle lab guy lives near me but I never met him
2015-03-13 03:27 <BlueWall> RL?
2015-03-13 03:27 <dahlia> ya
2015-03-13 03:27 <BlueWall> cool
2015-03-13 03:27 <BlueWall> I loved that place
2015-03-13 03:28 <dahlia> ya me too
2015-03-13 03:28 <BlueWall> I wold snoop around in the private places
2015-03-13 03:28 <dahlia> for scripting I hung out in scripting groups
2015-03-13 03:28 <BlueWall> Once I saw models of networks and servers for SL
2015-03-13 03:28 <dahlia> oh he showed me some of his hidden stuff
2015-03-13 03:29 <smxy> Come up to my room and see my etchings? :)
2015-03-13 03:29 <dahlia> lol
2015-03-13 03:29 <BlueWall> lol
2015-03-13 03:29 <dahlia> no he was a nice guy lol
2015-03-13 03:30 <BlueWall> those were the best places in SL for learning
2015-03-13 03:30 <BlueWall> really great displays
2015-03-13 03:30 <dahlia> ya he was quite artistic
2015-03-13 03:31 <BlueWall> I visited the IBM and Sun regions a lot too.
2015-03-13 03:32 <BlueWall> I used to dream about runing OpenSim in one of those Sun blade servers :)
2015-03-13 03:32 <dahlia> I used to hang out with some IBMers during all the OGP stuff
2015-03-13 03:32 <BlueWall> Yeah
2015-03-13 03:34 <smxy> So, Terry Pratchett died. :(
2015-03-13 03:34 <MarcusLlewellyn> :(((
2015-03-13 03:34 <smxy> Just read a good quote of his: "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life" -- Terry Pratchett
2015-03-13 03:35 <MarcusLlewellyn> There's no end to good quotes from his books.
2015-03-13 03:35 <dahlia> :(
2015-03-13 03:36 <MarcusLlewellyn> http://www.lspace.org/books/pqf/
2015-03-13 03:36 <smxy> One of these days, I need to read the Discworld books.
2015-03-13 03:36 <MarcusLlewellyn> Start literally anywhere. They're all good.
2015-03-13 03:37 <MarcusLlewellyn> Also Highly recommend Good Omens, which he wrote with Neil Gaiman.
2015-03-13 03:37 <AllenKerensky> Good Omens with Neil Gaiman hehe
2015-03-13 03:37 <AllenKerensky> jinx Marcus
2015-03-13 03:37 <MarcusLlewellyn> Heh
2015-03-13 03:39 <MarcusLlewellyn> There's some lesser known non-Discworld books too. Strata, which is on a discworld, but not *the* Discworld. It's a Ringworld parody.
2015-03-13 03:39 <MarcusLlewellyn> Nation was exceptionally good too.
2015-03-13 03:39 <MarcusLlewellyn> Oh! And the Bormeliad trilogy. Awesome.
2015-03-13 03:40 <smxy> Getting Real cats to take medication can be a problem (Terry Pratchett, The Unadulterated Cat) <-- That's why it took me 20 minutes to feed (and mediacate one of) my cats, LOL.
2015-03-13 03:41 <AliciaRaven> i remember when my 2nd cat was ill, trying to give him meds ment him spraying it all over my curtains
2015-03-13 03:41 <smxy> I have to give him a pill and an insulin shot, twice a day.
2015-03-13 03:41 <AliciaRaven> when they get ill, they want to be in a high up place, and that was on top of a speaker next to the curtains
2015-03-13 03:42 <AliciaRaven> shot twice aday?? how does he take that
2015-03-13 03:42 <smxy> After three years, we're both pretty good at t, but he's not what you'd call a fan of it. :)
2015-03-13 03:42 <smxy> The shot is the easy part. I do that while he's eating and he barley notices.
2015-03-13 03:43 <smxy> He doesn't like having a giant pill and my finger jammed down his throught, though, but he's mostly resigned himself to it.
2015-03-13 03:44 <smxy> throat*
2015-03-13 03:46 <MarcusLlewellyn> I had to force feed one of my cats when she was sick. That was just horrendous. For both of us.
2015-03-13 03:48 <AliciaRaven> my cat had to have some white paste put down his throat in the last few weeks, he didnt live very long so never got used to it :(
2015-03-13 03:48 <AliciaRaven> kidney failiur i think it was
2015-03-13 03:48 <AliciaRaven> common in cats
2015-03-13 03:50 <MarcusLlewellyn> smxy: I've identified the exact trouble with your user's mesh.
2015-03-13 03:50 <MarcusLlewellyn> That's almost exactly what happened to mine. She became so dehydrates in the end... was againzing. :(
2015-03-13 03:51 <smxy> MarcusLlewellyn: Yes?
2015-03-13 03:51 <MarcusLlewellyn> smxy: The mesh can be fixed an uploaded without resorting to modifier or anything like that. It needs to have some parts hanging from the top removed, and redone in a way the viewer likes. Let me get a screenshot of the trouble bits.
2015-03-13 03:52 <smxy> Interesting. :)
2015-03-13 03:53 <smxy> I had two cats that both had chronic kidney failure, but t was chronic heart failure that actually did them in.
2015-03-13 03:53 <smxy> After 15 and 17 years
2015-03-13 03:53 <MarcusLlewellyn> http://i.imgur.com/iFYyE64.png
2015-03-13 03:53 <MarcusLlewellyn> With those bits removed, it uploads quickly and perfectly.
2015-03-13 03:54 <smxy> But what's wrong with those bits?
2015-03-13 03:54 <dahlia> those selected boxes?
2015-03-13 03:54 <MarcusLlewellyn> They're non-manifold parts that hang off. She should proll extrude them instead.
2015-03-13 03:54 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yes.
2015-03-13 03:55 <MarcusLlewellyn> I just spent a while hacking bits out, and trying it over and over. lol
2015-03-13 03:55 <MarcusLlewellyn> It's *definitely* those bits in particular for this mesh
2015-03-13 03:55 <smxy> I still don't understand manifold/non-manifold.
2015-03-13 03:55 <dahlia> can you delete all but those bits and try?
2015-03-13 03:55 <MarcusLlewellyn> Sure. one mo.
2015-03-13 03:56 <dahlia> the viewer should not care about that unless maybe it's trying to do some verification for physics
2015-03-13 03:57 <dahlia> and even then it's questionable
2015-03-13 03:57 <MarcusLlewellyn> The bits all by themselves, everything else deleted, works fine.
2015-03-13 03:57 <dahlia> 
ACTION shrugs

2015-03-13 03:58 <MarcusLlewellyn> Each one is connected to the larger structure by only two vertices at the top.
2015-03-13 04:00 <dahlia> maybe delete them, then extrude the faces behind them so it looks as if they weren't deleted?
2015-03-13 04:00 <MarcusLlewellyn> That's what I'd do, yup.
2015-03-13 04:00 <MarcusLlewellyn> Hopefully I just saved her a lot of time. I didn't want her to have to chuck the whole thing out and start over.
2015-03-13 04:01 <smxy> Is ther something wrong with what she did or is doing it differently just the workaround to a viewer bug?
2015-03-13 04:01 <dahlia> 
ACTION has found that chucking and starting over can be a good thing when working with mesh

2015-03-13 04:01 <MarcusLlewellyn> Though... honestly, there's some other bits that need attention. There's hidden faces behine the stais, and those faces have faces directly on top of other faces, for example.
2015-03-13 04:01 <dahlia> and chucking and starting over many times can be even better
2015-03-13 04:02 <MarcusLlewellyn> ++
2015-03-13 04:02 <dahlia> ya that staircase has way too many triangles
2015-03-13 04:12 <smxy> MarcusLlewellyn: I'll pass this along. Thanks. Did you see my question?
2015-03-13 04:13 <MarcusLlewellyn> My honest opinion is that I concur with dahlia. She should chalk this up to a prototype, and try again. If she keep on going with this mesh, I pratically gaurantee that she's going to run into a similar upload issue sooner or later.
2015-03-13 04:13 <MarcusLlewellyn> I'd bet on sooner.
2015-03-13 04:14 <smxy> Okay. I guess I don't know Blender and mesh well enough (barely, actually), to understand why the way she made those six bits that way is troublesome.
2015-03-13 04:15 <MarcusLlewellyn> If she's going to do floors, ceilings, etc that have vertices unattached to the main building, she should keep those well defined, and very seperate. They should not share vertices with anything else. That's when I ran into upload issues a lot.
2015-03-13 04:52 <dahlia> http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/12/xamarin-hires-its-first-cfo-as-it-eyes-international-expansion-ipo/?ncid=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29
2015-03-13 04:56 <MarcusLlewellyn> I both completely understand and am annoyed by Xamarin's focus on mobile. I really want a good cross platform GUI, and gtk# isn't it. 
2015-03-13 04:58 <dahlia> 
ACTION uses visual studio and likes it

2015-03-13 05:01 <dahlia> didnt lkalif_ rewrite wingridproxy for gtk#? that wasnt too bad
2015-03-13 05:01 <dahlia> dunno if it worked on windoze tho
2015-03-13 05:09 <MarcusLlewellyn> It prolly would. Its more that gtk# is stake
2015-03-13 05:10 <MarcusLlewellyn> Er, stale, and gas huge documentation holes. 
2015-03-13 05:11 <MarcusLlewellyn> I tried using glade and gtklibrary with it. Glade sharp literally has zero documentation. GtkKibrary was never finished. 
2015-03-13 05:17 <dahlia> c++ really isnt that difficult for mobile, except for UI of course
2015-03-13 05:18 <dahlia> and then you dont need to package all that mono bloat
2015-03-13 05:27 <nebadon> god i hope microsoft doesnt buy them
2015-03-13 05:31 <dahlia> lol
2015-03-13 05:31 <dahlia> why should they?
2015-03-13 05:31 <dahlia> what would m$oft have to gain?
2015-03-13 05:32 <AliciaRaven> i hope ms dont buy anyone
2015-03-13 05:33 <AliciaRaven> apart froma dog poop on the street, they can buy that
2015-03-13 05:33 <dahlia> so much m$ haet
2015-03-13 05:47 <nebadon> well both microsoft and google are both well known for buying stuff simply to just shut them down
2015-03-13 05:47 <nebadon> what they gain is control of .net completely again
2015-03-13 05:48 <nebadon> not saying its rational
2015-03-13 05:48 <nebadon> but its a possibility
2015-03-13 05:52 <nebadon> personally i dont like the idea of Xamarin or mono being sold to anyone
2015-03-13 05:52 <nebadon> god forbid Oracle or Google did buy it
2015-03-13 05:52 <nebadon> or one of Microsoft's cloud competitor buys it
2015-03-13 05:52 <nebadon> again just to shut it down cause its a threat
2015-03-13 06:07 <dahlia> theres a ton of MIT licensed mono code out there. It would be quite a feat to squeeze any money out of anything opensim uses
2015-03-13 06:07 <dahlia> and all the xamarin mobile stuff is closed source anyway
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2015-03-13 13:05 <smxy> nebadon, MarcusLlewellyn, dahlia, AllenKerensky, AliciaRaven: I passed along everything from our discussion last night, to my resident. She said she understands what you said about the issues with her mesh and was very grateful for the critique and tips, and sends a big 'thank you' to you all.
2015-03-13 13:09 <AllenKerensky> that's good news smxy
2015-03-13 13:09 <AllenKerensky> and together we all learn and move the metaverse a fraction forward
2015-03-13 13:09 <smxy> Yup. :)
2015-03-13 13:11 <AllenKerensky> typically when a mesh won't upload - I just assume that somehow, somewhere, I've made "math" mad
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2015-03-13 20:30 <diva> Looks like I just came in in time for good news: Jessica_Lyon pointed me to the fix that LL has done regarding agent updates: http://hg.secondlife.com/viewer-tiger/commits/bb8793e44a09179334ccf02954615a4482c23047
2015-03-13 20:43 <nebadon> nice diva
2015-03-13 20:45 <smxy> Nice!
2015-03-13 20:46 <smxy> Of course, it'll be forever, before everyone's running a fixed viewer., but at least it's fixed.
2015-03-13 20:47 <nebadon> yea since replex probably won't ever be fixed unlikely i'll ever see that one heh
2015-03-13 20:47 <diva> the TPV will integrate this soon, I'm sure
2015-03-13 20:47 <nebadon> guess at some point i should switch back to Singularity
2015-03-13 20:49 <smxy> I switched back as soon as Latif said he was stopping development. :-/
2015-03-13 20:50 <nebadon> yea only real reason I use it at this point is the skin is way nicer than Singularity
2015-03-13 20:50 <nebadon> i could move it over
2015-03-13 20:50 <nebadon> i assume it will work in singularity too
2015-03-13 20:50 <smxy> His health is more important, than maintaining the viewer.
2015-03-13 20:51 <nebadon> Singularity needs to figure out something for their bug tracker
2015-03-13 20:51 <nebadon> right now they are using google code
2015-03-13 20:51 <smxy> Well, they have a year.
2015-03-13 20:51 <nebadon> wonder what will happen to all that data in the tracker though
2015-03-13 20:51 <nebadon> if it can be ported to something else
2015-03-13 20:52 <nebadon> or atleast archived
2015-03-13 20:52 <nebadon> be a shame to just loose it all
2015-03-13 20:52 <smxy> yes
2015-03-13 20:53 <nebadon> this is the big downside to these free services like this and github
2015-03-13 20:53 <nebadon> at some point its going to just poof away
2015-03-13 20:54 <nebadon> atleast github is semi-monitized
2015-03-13 20:55 <AllenKerensky> and google ain't?
2015-03-13 20:55 <nebadon> google code was not
2015-03-13 20:55 <nebadon> it was a complete loss for google
2015-03-13 20:55 <nebadon> not to say other services could offset the cost
2015-03-13 20:55 <AllenKerensky> yeah but like you said - that's the downside of relying on cloud/free... TANSTAAFL always wins
2015-03-13 20:55 <nebadon> but you know how that goes
2015-03-13 20:55 <nebadon> free service or million dollar bonus for ceo's
2015-03-13 20:55 <nebadon> do the math
2015-03-13 20:56 <AllenKerensky> someone, somewhere has a list of all the things Google has killed off after they got baked into people's world...
2015-03-13 20:56 <nebadon> yea
2015-03-13 20:57 <nebadon> perhaps if they would stop buying companies simply to shut them down
2015-03-13 20:57 <nebadon> maybe theyd have some extra operating capital
2015-03-13 20:57 <Plugh> Shows the value of Open Source projects. They can't be killed off so easily.
2015-03-13 20:57 <AllenKerensky> sing along time: "competitive advantage"
2015-03-13 20:57 <nebadon> haha
2015-03-13 20:58 <dahlia> people are just to anxious to believe they get something free from for-profit companies
2015-03-13 20:59 <dahlia> 
ACTION hits the twitter tab for a quick fix...

2015-03-13 21:01 <nebadon> ya but then again a tax dodging company like Google who literally pays no US taxes should be offering way more free services
2015-03-13 21:01 <nebadon> and be willing to loose a lot more money
2015-03-13 21:01 <dahlia> tell it to their investors :P
2015-03-13 21:33 <smxy> Someone commit something, so I have a reason to rebuild with mono 3.12.1 :)
2015-03-13 22:20 <justincc> hi misterblue, are you around?
2015-03-13 22:20 <smxy> Oh, that's nice.
2015-03-13 22:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #4108 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-13 22:26 <osmantis> Bug #7439:04 Delivery of scripted objects between grids results in missing or non-functional scripts at destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7439 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-13 22:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4108: SUCCESS in 9 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4108/
2015-03-13 22:29 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix script state not being preserved in objects sent via Hypergrid.
2015-03-13 23:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #4109 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-13 23:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4109: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4109/
2015-03-13 23:08 <osjenkins> jjustincc: For the public-facing Hypergrid asset and inventory services, override a general AuthType setting with None in Robust.HG.ini.example
2015-03-13 23:15 <nebadon> Be sure to load this into Chrome or your android phone only > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IaYJZ2Usdk
2015-03-13 23:16 <nebadon> click on the video and drag around as its playing
2015-03-13 23:25 <smxy> That's different.
2015-03-13 23:27 <smxy> justincc: More coming?
2015-03-13 23:28 <dahlia> lol time couch
2015-03-13 23:28 <justincc> smxy: likely nothing major
2015-03-13 23:28 <smxy> Thanks.
2015-03-13 23:28 <dahlia> smxy: why not mono 3.99+?
2015-03-13 23:29 <smxy> Didn't know I could.
2015-03-13 23:29 <dahlia> you now now :)
2015-03-13 23:29 <dahlia> *know
2015-03-13 23:29 <smxy> Is that thei HEAD?
2015-03-13 23:29 <smxy> +r
2015-03-13 23:29 <dahlia> dunno
2015-03-13 23:29 <smxy> Or a release?
2015-03-13 23:30 <dahlia> not a release
2015-03-13 23:30 <dahlia> head may be 4 by now 
2015-03-13 23:30 <dahlia> Ive been using 3.99+ for a month or 2
2015-03-13 23:30 <smxy> Nice.
2015-03-13 23:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #4110 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-13 23:32 <nebadon> I was using 3.99 for a bit too
2015-03-13 23:32 <nebadon> but i switched over to the 3.12 release to test it
2015-03-13 23:32 <nebadon> and now im testing 3.12.1 release
2015-03-13 23:33 <smxy> dahlia: I have a vague recollection of you saying 3.99 used less memory ...
2015-03-13 23:34 <dahlia> smxy: much better memory management in my tests, yes
2015-03-13 23:34 <dahlia> 3.12 was worse than 2.10.8.1 for me
2015-03-13 23:34 <smxy> Maybe that's why there is a 3.12.1
2015-03-13 23:35 <dahlia> I thought there was a 3.2something
2015-03-13 23:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4110: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4110/
2015-03-13 23:36 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Don't try to write region size and MapfileStaticFile Nini settings that are not set up when invoking the RemoteAdmin create region facility.
2015-03-13 23:36 <nebadon> 3.12.1 is the latest release
2015-03-13 23:36 <nebadon> maybe your thinking of 3.2.8
2015-03-13 23:36 <smxy> there is 3.2.x but that lower than 3.12.x
2015-03-13 23:36 <nebadon> 3.12 has been good for me
2015-03-13 23:36 <smxy> that is*
2015-03-13 23:37 <dahlia> 3.1.x and 3.2.x had horrible memory use for me
2015-03-13 23:37 <dahlia> like almost double of 2.10.8.1
2015-03-13 23:37 <smxy> The early 3s weren't great.
2015-03-13 23:38 <dahlia> not immediately, took a few hours to creep up
2015-03-13 23:38 <dahlia> I like 3.99
2015-03-13 23:39 <dahlia> I tried to get coreclr to work on linux. I got the vm to build and run but couldn't get a framework to work
2015-03-13 23:40 <smxy> What's that?
2015-03-13 23:40 <dahlia> m$oft CLR
2015-03-13 23:41 <smxy> I'm not a programmer (much). Could you try that again, in English, this time? ;)
2015-03-13 23:42 <dahlia> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=coreclr
2015-03-13 23:42 <smxy> :)
2015-03-13 23:44 <smxy> Oh, this is the thing Mono aims to be a clone of, but open sourced now, yes?
2015-03-13 23:44 <dahlia> seems that way :)
2015-03-13 23:44 <smxy> Okay.
2015-03-13 23:45 <smxy> Why would Mono be needed if this is being made open source?
2015-03-13 23:45 <dahlia> dunno
2015-03-13 23:47 <dahlia> probably also worth noting that it's on github and not codeplex
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2015-03-13 23:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #4111 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-13 23:53 <osmantis> Bug #7497:04 The create region of the remote admin does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7497 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-13 23:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4111: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4111/
2015-03-13 23:55 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Actually start a region created via the "create region" console command.
2015-03-13 23:55 <nebadon> coreclr is just step one isnt it
2015-03-13 23:55 <nebadon> i thought that wasnt going to offer the full .net package
2015-03-13 23:55 <nebadon> there would be another piece after coreclr that would be more mono like
2015-03-13 23:56 <nebadon> bascially the full .net cross platform
2015-03-13 23:56 <osmantis> Bug #7478:04 After create region, regions remains offline until server restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7478 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-13 23:56 <osmantis> Bug #7460:04 getting can not find assets on the stuff from Wright Plaza 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7460 ): has been CLOSED
2015-03-13 23:57 <osmantis> Bug #7462:04 Changing default starting point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7462 ): has been CLOSED
2015-03-13 23:58 <smxy> Oh, here's a question: Does the Overte Foundation take donations? If so, what are they used for?
2015-03-13 23:58 <nebadon> we do not
2015-03-13 23:59 <nebadon> only donation we really take at this point is the hardware that opensimulator.org runs on
2015-03-13 23:59 <smxy> Okay
2015-03-14 00:01 <osmantis> Bug #7457:04 OpenSim randomly crashes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7457 ): has been CLOSED
2015-03-14 00:03 <dahlia> nebadon: ya I think the framework is not completely ported yet
2015-03-14 00:03 <osmantis> Bug #7387:04 [INVENTORY] Object in prim inventory disappeared on Rez Level 2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7387 ): has been CLOSED
2015-03-14 00:04 <dahlia> I was trying to use parts of the mono framework but didn't get it to work
2015-03-14 00:04 <zadark> smxy: for mono, mono 4.0.0 is available, mono head is at mono 4.1.0. If you clone mono, use git checkout mono-4.0.0-branch
2015-03-14 00:05 <smxy> Interesting
2015-03-14 00:05 <smxy> What libgdi do you use with it?
2015-03-14 00:05 <zadark> I compile libgdiplus
2015-03-14 00:06 <zadark> So that is at head
2015-03-14 00:06 <smxy> Yes, so do I so I compiled 3.12 to use with mono 3.12.1
2015-03-14 00:06 <smxy> Okay, so whatever HEAD is then. Alright.
2015-03-14 00:07 <nebadon> libgdi does not progress nearly as fast as mono does
2015-03-14 00:07 <nebadon> mono has a very fast paced development process
2015-03-14 00:08 <osmantis> Bug #7431:04 When saving IAR get many errors saying [SCENE OBJECT GROUP]: SavedScriptState element had no UUID 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7431 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-14 00:08 <zadark> Mono seem to be replacing most of the component with Microsoft code, almost daily update
2015-03-14 00:09 <nebadon> it almost seems kind of crazy that microsoft would be trying to do the same thing that mono is doing already
2015-03-14 00:09 <osmantis> Bug #7423:04 Missing inventory items 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7423 ): has been CLOSED
2015-03-14 00:09 <nebadon> i mean its good they have a reference like coreclr
2015-03-14 00:11 <osmantis> Bug #6888:04 llLookAt 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6888 ): has been CLOSED
2015-03-14 00:11 <nebadon> guess we will see I expect i'll be using mono for a while to come still
2015-03-14 00:11 <zadark> There are 2, coreclr and corefx, that has seen some enhancements under the opensource community, including additional maths feature, like vector maths
2015-03-14 00:11 <nebadon> yea thats it corefx
2015-03-14 00:12 <nebadon> i couldnt remember what it was called
2015-03-14 00:12 <osmantis> Bug #7409:04 Commit e2dd15 breaks building the OMC addon module because of missing IUserManagement.cs in ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7409 ): has been CLOSED
2015-03-14 00:18 <zadark> smxy: If you build the latest libgdiplus, you no longer reuire to omit the gif libray. That was a bug fixed last november
2015-03-14 00:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #4112 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-14 00:19 <osmantis> Bug #7092:04 Crash on compile 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7092 ): has been CLOSED
2015-03-14 00:20 <smxy> Well, if I wasn't on the FBI's watch list before, I probably am now. :)
2015-03-14 00:22 <smxy> I called one of my state's senators and very politely told him I was disgusted with he and his 46 seditious compatriots; that I would never vote Repuplican again, and that he should be damned glad this is the United States and that we're a democracy, because what they did likely would have gotten them summarily shot in some other countries.
2015-03-14 00:22 <smxy> And now I feel much better, thank you very much. :)
2015-03-14 00:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4112: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4112/
2015-03-14 00:23 <osjenkins> jjustincc: minor: fix compiler warnings in EstateDataRobustConnector
2015-03-14 00:32 <dahlia> smxy: and what was his response?
2015-03-14 00:37 <nebadon> smxy, pretty sure everyone on earth is on the FBI's watchlist
2015-03-14 00:38 <smxy> He was silent for a moment, then curtly thanked me for my opinion, and hung up.
2015-03-14 00:38 <smxy> :)
2015-03-14 00:38 <nebadon> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/79/e7/de/79e7defe4e6891dee2cf6f93f3b79d83.jpg
2015-03-14 00:38 <dahlia> oh I thought perhaps he gave you some preliminaty information about plans to put a new freeway thru your neighborhood....
2015-03-14 00:38 <nebadon> <.<
2015-03-14 00:38 <smxy> >.>
2015-03-14 00:38 <dahlia> *preliminary
2015-03-14 00:39 <smxy> lol
2015-03-14 00:39 <dahlia> lol
2015-03-14 00:42 <dahlia> well I doubt I'm on the FBI's watch list any more, they probably have younger, cuter people they would rathar watch :/
2015-03-14 00:42 <smxy> heh
2015-03-14 00:42 <smxy> At nearly 57, I wouldn't say I was a Spring Chicken any more, either. :)
2015-03-14 00:43 <dahlia> 58 :)
2015-03-14 00:46 <smxy> :)
2015-03-14 00:47 <smxy> BTW, did you all see the note I left for you this morning? Tosha really appreciated the time and effort spent last night, figuring out her mesh issue and was glad to get the critique of her mesh, as well.
2015-03-14 00:50 <dahlia> oh yw
2015-03-14 00:50 <dahlia> thought I saw it
2015-03-14 01:10 <Trinity93> lol some one fianly figured out they could animate specular and bumpmap textures too
2015-03-14 01:10 <Trinity93> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m10HTF20B-0&feature=youtu.be
2015-03-14 01:29 <smxy> I want to know how they did that. That would be awesome in my grid.
2015-03-14 01:32 <smxy> Are you saying they animated multiple textures at once? Or just a different texture?
2015-03-14 01:53 <MarcusLlewellyn> When you animate a texture, everything moves  Diffuse, normal, specular. I tried that out ages ago. 
2015-03-14 01:53 <MarcusLlewellyn>  https://youtu.be/XA4ThN1A914
2015-03-14 01:54 <MarcusLlewellyn> Not as big as theirs, though :)
2015-03-14 01:56 <Trinity93> yep
2015-03-14 01:58 <MarcusLlewellyn> And you won't get the volumetric effect underwater. But still looks tons better than just a moving diffuse. 
2015-03-14 01:58 <smxy> Interesting.
2015-03-14 02:02 <Trinity93> to be honest if your gona go to that much trouble for water and what not you might as well do your terain in mesh and have the water be part of that mesh
2015-03-14 02:03 <Trinity93> so at least the surface and boundries look right
2015-03-14 02:04 <MarcusLlewellyn> ++
2015-03-14 02:05 <dahlia> theres a nice looking flowing waterfall and stream in that epic castle oar
2015-03-14 02:05 <dahlia> dont think it uses normal and specular maps tho, just diffuse
2015-03-14 02:39 <smxy> I think something's wrong.
2015-03-14 02:39 <smxy> I just updated to head and restarted.
2015-03-14 02:39 <smxy> I see this:
2015-03-14 02:39 <smxy> 22:38:02 - [XEngine]: Performing initial script startup on Eld2
2015-03-14 02:39 <smxy> 22:38:21 - [XEngine]: Completed starting 0 scripts on Eld2
2015-03-14 02:40 <smxy> Ovee 200 scripts should have started ...
2015-03-14 02:40 <smxy> Over*
2015-03-14 02:43 <smxy> Hmmm.
2015-03-14 02:43 <smxy> http://pastebin.com/YfzHZ7tC
2015-03-14 02:48 <smxy> It seems it's not finding any scripts to run for any regions.
2015-03-14 02:48 <smxy> Only saw that error in one though.
2015-03-14 02:49 <smxy> How could it suddenly not find the scripts?
2015-03-14 02:50 <Ken-S> Lots are having inventory and rez issues right now
2015-03-14 02:51 <smxy> I updated to mono 3.12.1 and dev master head.
2015-03-14 02:51 <smxy> Mono built and installed fine, from what I could tell.
2015-03-14 02:52 <smxy> Did it the same way I've done it for years.
2015-03-14 02:52 <smxy> The only thing that cg=hanged in the config files were the two entries Justin just added, which wouldn't have caused this.
2015-03-14 02:52 <smxy> Hmm.
2015-03-14 02:56 <Ken-S> Im not having issues on my test grid with the same software.
2015-03-14 02:56 <Ken-S> It seems isolated to osg
2015-03-14 02:57 <smxy> I think we're having two completely different issues. :)
2015-03-14 02:57 <smxy> I've never had it not find the scripts to run ...
2015-03-14 02:58 <Ken-S> Its not finding lots of things
2015-03-14 03:00 <smxy> The scripts are still in the objects, in the region. They just aren't running.
2015-03-14 03:00 <smxy> Editing it and telling it to start the scripts didn't start them. But no error.
2015-03-14 03:03 <MarcusLlewellyn> Just throwwing things at the wall: Have you updated or changed Mono versions recently? What is your OS? Is your ScriptEngines directory populated?
2015-03-14 03:06 <smxy> I updated to mono 3.12.1
2015-03-14 03:07 <Ken-S> windows
2015-03-14 03:07 <smxy> I built dev master head with it.
2015-03-14 03:07 <smxy> Both built fine.
2015-03-14 03:07 <smxy> Linux
2015-03-14 03:07 <smxy> CentOS 6.6, to be specific.
2015-03-14 03:08 <MarcusLlewellyn> I haven't gone past 3.10 myself. And I haven't seen anyone else compain about newer than mine. But if that's your one big change... 
2015-03-14 03:08 <smxy> The only change to the config was the two parameters Justin added to robust today.
2015-03-14 03:08 <smxy> Let me check the scriptengines dir - it should still be fully populated.
2015-03-14 03:10 <MarcusLlewellyn> There was a change comitted by jcc today to scripting. http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=3a7d42378f6ca230c8fe34641e21ca168869cec7
2015-03-14 03:10 <smxy> It has many .state files in it and a number of .map files. Shouldn't there be more?
2015-03-14 03:11 <MarcusLlewellyn> I don't look in there a ton, but off the cuff I think there oughta be DLLs too.
2015-03-14 03:11 <MarcusLlewellyn> Scripts are compiled into their own lil assemblies I think
2015-03-14 03:11 <smxy> Yeah. Let me look at a region that I haven't switched over yet.
2015-03-14 03:12 <smxy> It has ALL kinds of other files in it. .mdb, .text, .dll ...
2015-03-14 03:12 <smxy> All those are missing in my updated regions.
2015-03-14 03:12 <MarcusLlewellyn> What happens if you back up ScriptEngines, and then start the simulator with a completely empty one?
2015-03-14 03:13 <smxy> Let me try.
2015-03-14 03:17 <smxy> It creates a bunch of .map files in the dir and still says it started no scripts.
2015-03-14 03:17 <smxy> Ugh.
2015-03-14 03:17 <MarcusLlewellyn> Is it still thorwing those exceptions you pasted earlier?
2015-03-14 03:17 <smxy> I only saw that once, in one region.
2015-03-14 03:18 <smxy> So, I wonder if Justin oopsed or if it's Mono.
2015-03-14 03:19 <BlueWall> I have seen that before when using a parallel mono (in /opt) from a third party package.
2015-03-14 03:19 <BlueWall> I'll say it was mono 3.10.x
2015-03-14 03:19 <BlueWall> or 3/11
2015-03-14 03:19 <smxy> 3.12.1
2015-03-14 03:19 <BlueWall> yeah, this was a while back
2015-03-14 03:20 <smxy> But nebadon is using it just fine.
2015-03-14 03:20 <BlueWall> but, it was starting up w/o running the scripts
2015-03-14 03:20 <BlueWall> ok, just saying.
2015-03-14 03:20 <BlueWall> what os are you using?
2015-03-14 03:20 <smxy> Hmm.
2015-03-14 03:20 <smxy> CentOS 6.6
2015-03-14 03:20 <BlueWall> he us using OpenSuse
2015-03-14 03:20 <BlueWall> I was on Debian
2015-03-14 03:21 <BlueWall> It was a puzzle, and I could find nothing to point me to a solution.
2015-03-14 03:22 <BlueWall> I switched to the xamarin packages and it started working as it should.
2015-03-14 03:22 <smxy> I've been building mono for years, just fine.
2015-03-14 03:22 <AllenKerensky> I recently switched to the mono-project packages and they have been working okay for me
2015-03-14 03:23 <AllenKerensky> not that I am observant, picky, or otherwise have any idea how to run mono
2015-03-14 03:23 <AllenKerensky> but no "check engine" light 
2015-03-14 03:23 <MarcusLlewellyn> It only takes one system .so that's too old for Mono's taste to make things whacky. I had that happen once with my own Mono builds on Debian stable. It had a rather oldish zlib.
2015-03-14 03:23 <AllenKerensky> and yeah 3.12.1 from that is what I am running on - up to svn r/25888 without script problems
2015-03-14 03:24 <smxy> I'm on the latest 25893
2015-03-14 03:25 <smxy> 25889 deals with scripts
2015-03-14 03:25 <AllenKerensky> yeah I am getting back to tracking whatever version dan posts on the osgrid.org downloads page
2015-03-14 03:26 <AllenKerensky> so 25888 was the recent one I saw him post
2015-03-14 03:26 <MarcusLlewellyn> Since this issue coincides with a Mono upgrade, I'd just try going back down to my old version. If that solves the problem, the new version isn't worth the greif.
2015-03-14 03:27 <smxy> Well, I have 25888, but it was compiled with 3.10.0
2015-03-14 03:27 <smxy> Think I'll try running that under 3.12.1 first.
2015-03-14 03:28 <AllenKerensky> yeah just wanted to throw out a data point - mono-project's 3.12.1 with r/25888 did not eat my script directory
2015-03-14 03:28 <smxy> ok
2015-03-14 03:33 <AllenKerensky> as always - your mileage may vary - especially in places that use kilometerage
2015-03-14 03:34 <smxy> Still starts 0 scripts. Hmm.
2015-03-14 03:34 <MarcusLlewellyn> :(
2015-03-14 03:34 <MarcusLlewellyn> That's just so weird. 
2015-03-14 03:36 <MarcusLlewellyn> What shape us the region in otherwise? Are other assets loading?
2015-03-14 03:37 <smxy> Everything's fine. The scripts just don't run.
2015-03-14 03:38 <smxy> Okay, I run everything out of a single dir mounted over nfs.
2015-03-14 03:38 <smxy> But I had mono on each VM.
2015-03-14 03:39 <smxy> When I built it today, I built it exactly like I always have, but on the shared dir, so I could use that instead of having to copy it around to every server.
2015-03-14 03:39 <smxy> I don't see how that could be it though. It finds mono and runs it, like always.
2015-03-14 03:40 <MarcusLlewellyn> So... You're running multiple instances from a single OpenSim install that's shared across multiple VMs via NFS?
2015-03-14 03:41 <smxy> yup, been doing it for months. :)
2015-03-14 03:41 <smxy> anything that gets written goes in separate areas. 
2015-03-14 03:41 <AllenKerensky> yeah most caches would be additive anyway
2015-03-14 03:41 <smxy> each region has it's own area to write in.
2015-03-14 03:42 <MarcusLlewellyn> I run mutiple instances from a single OpenSIm.exe, but only one per machine. Never tried your setup before. I guess it really shouldn't be any different, though.
2015-03-14 03:42 <AllenKerensky> or that since NFS isn't really a cluster-aware filesystem
2015-03-14 03:45 <smxy> Well, let me copy 3.10.0 back to this server from one I haven't blown it away on yet, and try that. I'll put it on the local disk where it was before, too.
2015-03-14 03:57 <smxy> Well, I'm running mono 3.10.0, from the local disk, where it was before, and running opensim 23888, which was compiled with 3.10.0 and it still starts 0 scripts.
2015-03-14 03:57 <smxy> :(
2015-03-14 03:58 <dahlia> I have separate bin directory for each instance
2015-03-14 03:58 <MarcusLlewellyn> Is it just the one instance doin' this? 
2015-03-14 03:59 <dahlia> but they all point to the same cache 
2015-03-14 03:59 <smxy> It's not that I have one bin dir. I've been running it this way for years.
2015-03-14 03:59 <smxy> yes, all regions are starting 0 scripts.
2015-03-14 04:01 <BlueWall> I updated and scripts are ok here.
2015-03-14 04:03 <MarcusLlewellyn> Outside of a config goof, I got bupkes.
2015-03-14 04:03 <smxy> Okay, I right clicked on one of the gates and told it to recompile the script.
2015-03-14 04:04 <smxy> In the compilation window, I saw this twice: Error running mcs: Cannot find the specified file
2015-03-14 04:04 <BlueWall> right
2015-03-14 04:04 <smxy> That's the same thing I saw at the console once.
2015-03-14 04:04 <BlueWall> that is the error I saw
2015-03-14 04:05 <smxy> Hmmm.
2015-03-14 04:07 <smxy> I'm stumped.
2015-03-14 04:08 <dahlia> can you execute mcs from the command line?
2015-03-14 04:08 <smxy> Let me set mono in debug mode
2015-03-14 04:08 <smxy> how? just: mcs
2015-03-14 04:08 <smxy> ?
2015-03-14 04:08 <dahlia> ya
2015-03-14 04:09 <dahlia> I think mcs is the mono c# compiler, would probably be used in part of the script compilation process
2015-03-14 04:09 <smxy> yes, tells me that there were no files specified to compile.
2015-03-14 04:09 <dahlia> k
2015-03-14 04:10 <BlueWall> Opensim cannot invoke it to compile the scripts for some reason
2015-03-14 04:10 <dahlia> try "which mcs"
2015-03-14 04:10 <smxy> let me try debug mode
2015-03-14 04:10 <MarcusLlewellyn> "Cannot find the specified file" in the exception may refer to the script itself?
2015-03-14 04:10 <dahlia> maybe
2015-03-14 04:10 <smxy> mono is not in my path. I set tha up in the script that run my regions.
2015-03-14 04:10 <BlueWall> nope, it's the compiler
2015-03-14 04:10 <dahlia> try "which mcs"
2015-03-14 04:11 <smxy> as I said, it's not in my path
2015-03-14 04:11 <smxy> which will not find it
2015-03-14 04:11 <dahlia> but you can execute mcs?
2015-03-14 04:11 <smxy> yes, I gave it the full path to it
2015-03-14 04:11 <dahlia> oh
2015-03-14 04:11 <dahlia> maybe thats why
2015-03-14 04:11 <dahlia> add it to your path
2015-03-14 04:12 <smxy> As I said, I set that up in the script that starts my regions. It *is* in the path there.
2015-03-14 04:12 <smxy> and exported
2015-03-14 04:12 <dahlia> unless there's a typo
2015-03-14 04:13 <smxy> It's in the same dir as mono itself and that is found.
2015-03-14 04:13 <dahlia> yet you get the error
2015-03-14 04:15 <smxy> I'm starting the region in debug mode. I'll try compiling the script again.
2015-03-14 04:16 <smxy> nothing at the console, even in debug mode. Just the same error in the script compilation window.
2015-03-14 04:17 <MarcusLlewellyn> I'm skimming. But CSharpCodeOmpiler.ComepileFromFileBatch() does little more than spawn mcs in a new process, and feed it a file and paremeters. If it wasn't able to spawn mcs, there'd be a very different exception.
2015-03-14 04:18 <smxy> going to scroll back in this debug output to before it would start the scripts and see if there's something.
2015-03-14 04:21 <smxy> it mentions not beng able to find Tools.dll.so in opensim's bin, and it is, indeed, not there. Any of you have it?
2015-03-14 04:21 <smxy> Maybe that's it?
2015-03-14 04:22 <AllenKerensky> I have Tools.dll
2015-03-14 04:22 <AllenKerensky> but not a Tools.dll.so
2015-03-14 04:22 <MarcusLlewellyn> Same.
2015-03-14 04:22 <smxy> This is missing too: OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Shared.Instance.dll.so
2015-03-14 04:22 <AllenKerensky> something is very wrong
2015-03-14 04:22 <smxy> you on Windows?
2015-03-14 04:22 <smxy> I'm on Linux
2015-03-14 04:22 <AllenKerensky> I only have two .so and they are libopenjpeg related
2015-03-14 04:23 <AllenKerensky> and I am on linux
2015-03-14 04:23 <MarcusLlewellyn> I just cchecked both my Linux and Win installs. Both have Tools.dll. Not Tools.dll.so
2015-03-14 04:23 <smxy> Maybe it's just looking for either. Let me see if I have them without .so
2015-03-14 04:24 <smxy> yes, I have both, without .so
2015-03-14 04:24 <smxy> so that's likely not it.
2015-03-14 04:25 <MarcusLlewellyn> An .so would be a native binary. The vasy majority of OpenSim's DLLs are managed assemblies.
2015-03-14 04:25 <smxy> yeah, after it looks for it with .so, it finds and uses the one without it
2015-03-14 04:27 <smxy> I'm stumped
2015-03-14 04:29 <smxy> I'll have the script print out the which mcs, dahlia
2015-03-14 04:30 <smxy> Actually .....
2015-03-14 04:30 <smxy> That might just be it.
2015-03-14 04:31 <smxy> Because I see that I'm calling mono by full path in the script.
2015-03-14 04:31 <MarcusLlewellyn> I've been googling the exception. The details vary, but each one comes down to an issue with their environment's path.
2015-03-14 04:31 <smxy> I thought I had everything in the script, so I removed it from my .profile, so I bet it *can't* find it now. You may have solved it, dahlia. I'll know in a moment.
2015-03-14 04:32 <smxy> yup, pretty sure that's it. will know shortly
2015-03-14 04:37 <smxy> Yes! My PATH was *not* getting set in the script, as I thought. It had been picking it up from my environment, but I removed that today. Now that I correctly set it in the script, scripts are starting. Thank you dahlia. :)
2015-03-14 04:38 <smxy> And thank you everyone else. :)
2015-03-14 04:38 <BlueWall> cool
2015-03-14 04:38 <AllenKerensky> glad its sorted
2015-03-14 04:38 <smxy> It's not often I shoot myself in the foot.
2015-03-14 04:38 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yay :)
2015-03-14 04:38 <BlueWall> that is probably what was going on in my case as well.
2015-03-14 04:38 <smxy> I'm usually very anal about this stuff, lol, but that one slipped by me.
2015-03-14 04:39 <smxy> Now to switch back to the new mono and opensim code.
2015-03-14 04:40 <MarcusLlewellyn> I kinda wanna update my mono. But can't decide wther to go with stable or 3.99.
2015-03-14 04:40 <smxy> And when I said "As I said ..." I was clearly wrong. If I'd listened to dahlia sooner than I did, I'd have fixed it 20 minutes sooner.
2015-03-14 04:40 <smxy> That'll teach me.
2015-03-14 04:41 <MarcusLlewellyn> We should always listen to dahlia. ;)
2015-03-14 04:41 <smxy> :)
2015-03-14 04:41 <smxy> Next time, I shall. :)
2015-03-14 04:41 <smxy> Well, I did this time, just not right away. :)
2015-03-14 04:41 <BlueWall> When I saw that, I have installed a third party package that setup a parallel mono environment, like compiling.
2015-03-14 04:42 <BlueWall> Then I saw xamarin was making the latest stable packages and installed theirs, and the issue went away.
2015-03-14 04:43 <MarcusLlewellyn> I have the environment variable in the bash script I use to start my instances. I think that a bash script pretty much runsin it's own shell copy, so had to have em.
2015-03-14 04:45 <smxy> I had everything mono needed, in my environment, except having it's bin dir in the path
2015-03-14 04:45 <smxy> it was picking that up from being set in the .profile before.
2015-03-14 04:45 <smxy> Now it's in the script.
2015-03-14 05:55 <dahlia> lol no, listen to Melanie_T so she gets blamed and not me :)
2015-03-14 05:56 <smxy> haha
2015-03-14 06:00 <dahlia> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lg5YRMJY6I
2015-03-14 06:02 <smxy> that's neat
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2015-03-14 12:25 <osmantis> Bug #7499:04 Odd casting of floats with comma separator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7499 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-14 12:36 <osmantis> Bug #6600:04 as of r/22462 some major issue occuring when editing any wearable item - changes not saved 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6600 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-14 13:26 <osmantis> Bug #7499:04 Odd casting of floats with comma separator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7499 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-14 14:01 <osmantis> Bug #7499:04 Odd casting of floats with comma separator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7499 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-14 16:15 <smxy> MarcusLlewellyn: It was you that found the issue with the mesh were the six pieces that, when removed, let it upload, yes?
2015-03-14 16:16 <smxy> In any case, Tosha just tod me she redid those six pieces differenty and she was abe to upload it in less than a minute.
2015-03-14 16:17 <smxy> She's very happy and thanks everyone, again, for their help and tutelage. :)
2015-03-14 16:23 <nebadon> nice
2015-03-14 16:31 <smxy> Yes, and it's nice when people take the time to say 'thank you', too, so I made sure to pass it along to the rest of you. :)
2015-03-14 16:34 <smxy> I still feel silly for shooting myself in the foot last night, with the path to mono not being set right. At least it was an easy fix, in the end.
2015-03-14 17:02 <osmantis> Bug #7499:04 Odd casting of floats with comma separator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7499 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-14 18:13 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6kn6nXMWF0
2015-03-14 19:48 <dahlia> https://vimeo.com/946012
2015-03-14 19:48 <dahlia> and happy pi day to all :D
2015-03-14 19:50 <smxy> It's also something else. I told my boss, but he said he wasn't going to tell his wife, because he didn't want to get killed. :)
2015-03-14 19:53 <dahlia> lol
2015-03-14 19:57 <LiruCookies> What else is it?
2015-03-14 19:57 <smxy> Steak and a B*****b Day :)
2015-03-14 19:58 <LiruCookies> had to look that up to figure out the *s
2015-03-14 19:58 <smxy> The idea is that 2/14 is for the Ladies (Valentine's Day) and 3/14 is for the guys. :)
2015-03-14 19:58 <smxy> hehe
2015-03-14 19:58 <LiruCookies> Hah
2015-03-14 19:59 <smxy> I'd love to see the cards that Hallmark could make for it. :)
2015-03-14 19:59 <smxy> LOL
2015-03-14 20:13 <AllenKerensky> a friend of mine in florida lives at a nudist colony... S&B Day is an annual event there
2015-03-14 20:14 <smxy> hehe
2015-03-14 20:38 <danbanner> Region (Lbsa Plaza) # alert test
2015-03-14 20:38 <danbanner> Invalid command
2015-03-14 20:38 <danbanner> i wonder which commit broke the alert command
2015-03-14 20:38 <danbanner> its still listed in 'help users'
2015-03-14 20:38 <danbanner> but it doesnt work
2015-03-14 20:40 <dahlia> works for me but Im running week-old code
2015-03-14 20:41 <danbanner> ya worked a week ago for me too
2015-03-14 20:45 <dahlia> ya not working in head
2015-03-14 20:51 <smxy> Confirmed here, too.
2015-03-14 20:57 <LiruCookies> dahlia: What commit was it working on?
2015-03-14 21:12 <osmantis> Bug #7500:04 console alert command no longer works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7500 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-14 21:19 <osmantis> Bug #7500:04 console alert command no longer works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7500 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-03-14 21:19 <osmantis> Bug #7500:04 console alert command no longer works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7500 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-03-14 21:20 <nebadon> hate that when you confirm something it assigns it to you heh
2015-03-14 21:20 <AllenKerensky> "confirmation bias"
2015-03-14 21:21 <dahlia> 129cc49eb4d2f43cdda3804447f84bd3df397ff1 is the offender
2015-03-14 21:26 <smxy> squeaky wheel :)
2015-03-14 21:27 <danbanner> i wonder how many other console commands that commit broke?
2015-03-14 21:28 <smxy> Go right ahead ... just pull on that little dangling thread ...
2015-03-14 21:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #4113 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-14 21:29 <dahlia> 
ACTION blames justincc

2015-03-14 21:29 <danbanner> lol
2015-03-14 21:29 <dahlia> oh he's not here
2015-03-14 21:29 <dahlia> 
ACTION will blame justincc later :)

2015-03-14 21:30 <nebadon> thanks dahlia
2015-03-14 21:30 <dahlia> np
2015-03-14 21:30 <nebadon> danbanner you should probably update your ticket to include that 
2015-03-14 21:30 <nebadon> but leave it open
2015-03-14 21:30 <nebadon> until justin see's it
2015-03-14 21:30 <nebadon> assign it to him
2015-03-14 21:30 <dahlia> ya set justin as owner 
2015-03-14 21:32 <osmantis> Bug #7500:04 console alert command no longer works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7500 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-03-14 21:32 <nebadon> done
2015-03-14 21:32 <osmantis> Bug #7500:04 console alert command no longer works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7500 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-14 21:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4113: SUCCESS in 4 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4113/
2015-03-14 21:33 <osjenkins> dahlia: Revert "Allow a console command to give blank arguments ("") without the parser failing, e.g. login text """
2015-03-14 21:33 <nebadon> justin pulls bug #7500 heh
2015-03-14 21:33 <nebadon> 
ACTION releases the balloons and confetti

2015-03-14 22:00 <danbanner> thanks dahlia
2015-03-14 22:00 <danbanner> works fine now
2015-03-14 22:04 <smxy> Yay, dahlia. :)
2015-03-14 23:15 <BlueWall> has anyone ever had a viewer crash on Linux take out the voice input?
2015-03-14 23:16 <BlueWall> I had Singularity crash on me a few days ago, leaving a zombie and the voice input has not worked since.
2015-03-14 23:17 <BlueWall> But, it works in the sound control. Just SLVoice doesn't work.
2015-03-14 23:24 <dahlia> BlueWall: I've had zombie slvoice processes hanging around
2015-03-14 23:24 <BlueWall> this was the singularity viewer - the zombie
2015-03-14 23:25 <dahlia> ya but viewer spawns slvoice
2015-03-14 23:25 <BlueWall> It was working great until that crash, I restarted the machine and no-outgoing voice.
2015-03-14 23:25 <BlueWall> yes.
2015-03-14 23:25 <dahlia> oh rebooted? dunno
2015-03-14 23:25 <nebadon> BlueWall make sure there isnt a hung slvoice
2015-03-14 23:25 <dahlia> 
ACTION doesnt get along with linux sound stuffs

2015-03-14 23:25 <nebadon> happened to me other day
2015-03-14 23:26 <BlueWall> I can't really find anything 
2015-03-14 23:26 <BlueWall> were you able to get it fixed nebadon?
2015-03-14 23:26 <BlueWall> in the sound control panel (gnome) it works.
2015-03-14 23:27 <BlueWall> I see some of these now (but may have beenthere before) AL lib: alsa.c:565: set access failed: Invalid argument
2015-03-14 23:32 <nebadon> all i did was a forcible kill on the slvoice that was hung
2015-03-14 23:32 <nebadon> then voice started working again for me
2015-03-14 23:33 <dahlia> I only use voice on windows but I have seen slvoice bork up on linux a lot
2015-03-14 23:33 <dahlia> usually needs a killall -9 slvoice to fix
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2015-03-14 23:34 <BlueWall> yeah, I just rebooted the machine to get the defunct processes out.
2015-03-14 23:35 <BlueWall> have never really had it crash like that before. And, I cannot figure out if there is some device that it modified 
2015-03-14 23:35 <BlueWall> it works in the OS - the input
2015-03-14 23:37 <BlueWall> And when I go in the viewer prefs, the SLVoice application is flickering on and off in the OS sound control. Somtimes it stays solid, but even then no dice.
2015-03-14 23:41 <BlueWall> heh, sl official viewer does not run here.
2015-03-14 23:42 <BlueWall> libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file
2015-03-15 01:32 <osmantis> Bug #7323:04 V2 Groups restriction on group membership 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7323 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-03-15 03:07 <osmantis> Bug #7501:04 BasicHttpAuthentication credentials exposed on console and in log. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7501 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2015-03-16 02:26 <osmantis> Bug #7502:04 Enabling BasicHttpAuthentication cases errors from the Bakes service. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7502 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-16 02:27 <osmantis> Bug #7502:04 Enabling BasicHttpAuthentication causes errors from the Bakes service. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7502 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-16 02:46 <osmantis> Bug #7502:04 Enabling BasicHttpAuthentication causes errors from the Bakes service. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7502 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-16 10:26 <osmantis> Bug #7500:04 console alert command no longer works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7500 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-16 10:27 <osmantis> Bug #7500:04 console alert command no longer works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7500 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-16 11:45 <osmantis> Bug #7503:04 Estate ban request raise exception - banned user data not written to database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7503 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2015-03-16 18:32 <Plugh> nebadon: ping
2015-03-16 18:32 <nebadon> hey Plugh
2015-03-16 18:33 <Plugh> Somewhat off topic, where did you get the 3D model of the Raspberry Pi? I could use a model of the Pi B for a project I'm working on.
2015-03-16 18:34 <nebadon> 1 sec
2015-03-16 18:35 <Plugh> k
2015-03-16 18:35 <nebadon> this one is slightly better than the one I have
2015-03-16 18:35 <nebadon> https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model.html?id=ud4c9bfa5-b2c3-41d0-8327-0bb6c300cfe9
2015-03-16 18:37 <Plugh> that's a nice model of the B+
2015-03-16 18:38 <nebadon> https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/search.html?q=raspberry+pi&backendClass=entity
2015-03-16 18:41 <Plugh> ok, thanks. I can use the B+ model to update one of the B model to get a better look to a few of the parts.
2015-03-16 18:43 <nebadon> https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model.html?id=f73210983e2a2263fdbbb98e1470ed1d
2015-03-16 18:43 <nebadon> there is a nice Model B
2015-03-16 18:44 <Plugh> what the? Someone made a model that is either sketchup or google earth. :P
2015-03-16 18:44 <Plugh> yup. that's the one I was just looking at
2015-03-16 18:44 <AllenKerensky> if its a google earth kmz ... download it ... open it ... the dae is inside
2015-03-16 18:45 <Plugh> It is? Ok, thanks.
2015-03-16 18:45 <AllenKerensky> yeah - i tend to get the kmz file rather than download an skp and load the app to convert it
2015-03-16 18:47 <Plugh> I wouldn't know how to convert an skp. I don't think any of my 3D modelling programs could read that.
2015-03-16 18:47 <AllenKerensky> load in sketchup and export
2015-03-16 18:47 <AllenKerensky> or save the steps and just get the dae from the kmz =)
2015-03-16 18:47 <Plugh> I don't have sketchup but I could get it if I had to
2015-03-16 18:53 <Plugh> I should be getting the PCB's I ordered in a few days that is for a simple project that will plug on to the Pi's GPIO header
2015-03-16 19:08 <Plugh> 
ACTION wonders if TortoiseGit is broken as its gui doesn't show any of the details of a repo but choosing History does.

2015-03-16 19:12 <justincc> hi misterblue, are you around?
2015-03-16 19:43 <dahlia> 
ACTION blames justincc

2015-03-16 19:43 <Ubit> everyone blames dahlia
2015-03-16 19:43 <dahlia> justincc: in case you didn't see it, I reverted your recent change to the console command handler because it broke the alert command
2015-03-16 19:43 <justincc> dahlia: thanks, I'll have to go back and look at that
2015-03-16 19:44 <dahlia> 
ACTION aims the finger of blame at Ubit

2015-03-16 19:44 <Ubit> 
ACTION hides

2015-03-16 19:55 <osmantis> Bug #3963:04 blank variable not preserved on re-rez/restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3963 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-16 20:19 <osmantis> Bug #7504:04 clothing can not find assets even lk clothing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7504 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-16 20:37 <osmantis> Bug #7504:04 clothing can not find assets even lk clothing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7504 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-16 20:52 <osmantis> Bug #7504:04 clothing can not find assets even lk clothing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7504 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-16 21:16 <osmantis> Bug #7504:04 clothing can not find assets even lk clothing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7504 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-16 21:27 <osmantis> Bug #7505:04 ERROR 42883 when creating a group on HG Grid - database PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7505 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2015-03-16 21:30 <osmantis> Bug #7505:04 ERROR 42883 when creating a group on HG Grid - database PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7505 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2015-03-16 21:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #4114 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-16 22:00 <nebadon> hey justinccAfk did you see one of your patches got reverted?
2015-03-16 22:00 <nebadon> we started a ticket and assigned it to you
2015-03-16 22:01 <justinccAfk> nebadon: yes, thankyou
2015-03-16 22:02 <nebadon> cool
2015-03-16 22:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4114: SUCCESS in 9 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4114/
2015-03-16 22:03 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Update version info to 0.8.2.0
2015-03-16 22:34 <smxy> justincc: ping
2015-03-16 22:46 <justincc> hello smxy
2015-03-16 22:47 <smxy> Hi justincc
2015-03-16 22:48 <smxy> I see you did a release - awesome - so you might have been too busy, but I was wondering if you had any thoughts about mantis # 7502, as it's causing many erros in my log.
2015-03-16 22:48 <justincc> yeah, I suspect taht service isn't including the auth info in it's request.  Hopefully I can take a look soon - I'm not 100% familiar with that end of things yet
2015-03-16 22:49 <smxy> I'm wondering if the bakes service just isn't using authentication, or what.
2015-03-16 22:49 <smxy> ok
2015-03-16 22:49 <justincc> couldn't delay the release further though - otherwise it never gets done and this particular thing isn't a regression
2015-03-16 22:49 <justincc> though not ideal
2015-03-16 22:49 <smxy> I saw where you had recently suggested turning the authentication on, so I did and then boom. :)
2015-03-16 22:50 <justincc> you seem to be the primary tester these days
2015-03-16 22:50 <smxy> It's why I run dev code. :)
2015-03-16 22:50 <dahlia> could run without xbakes?
2015-03-16 22:50 <smxy> It's my way of helping.
2015-03-16 22:50 <smxy> Well, yes, I could. I could turn off the autentication too.
2015-03-16 22:50 <smxy> It'd be better to fix it though.
2015-03-16 22:51 <dahlia> perhaps, but we're lazy and argumentative :P
2015-03-16 22:52 <smxy> I in no way am expecting an instant fix. I just wanted to see if you'd seen it and what your thoughts on it were.
2015-03-16 22:52 <smxy> haha
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2015-03-16 23:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #4115 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-16 23:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4115: SUCCESS in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4115/
2015-03-16 23:48 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Fix XBakes simulator-side authentication regression failure
2015-03-16 23:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #4116 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-16 23:51 <justincc> smxy: okay, the xbakes issue should be fixed.  This is going to be a regression since the recent security changes.
2015-03-16 23:52 <osmantis> Bug #7501:04 BasicHttpAuthentication credentials exposed on console and in log. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7501 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-16 23:54 <osmantis> Bug #7502:04 Enabling BasicHttpAuthentication causes errors from the Bakes service. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7502 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-16 23:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4116: SUCCESS in 4 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4116/
2015-03-16 23:55 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Don't log http auth details by default.
2015-03-17 00:22 <smxy> Oh, nice. I'll update in a bit and test.
2015-03-17 01:18 <osmantis> Bug #7501:04 BasicHttpAuthentication credentials exposed on console and in log. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7501 ): has been CLOSED
2015-03-17 01:19 <osmantis> Bug #7502:04 Enabling BasicHttpAuthentication causes errors from the Bakes service. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7502 ): has been CLOSED
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2015-03-17 14:06 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 Return to hoe grid from HG travel shows almost blankarrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-17 14:34 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 Return to home grid from HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-17 14:36 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 Return to home grid from HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-17 14:47 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 Return to home grid from HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-17 14:53 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-17 14:53 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-17 15:06 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-17 15:17 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-17 16:31 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-17 17:35 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-17 17:36 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-17 17:39 <H-H-H> hi guys :) anyone experience issues with master/near master git running in grid mode on mono 3.12 and the region just dies ?
2015-03-17 17:40 <H-H-H> also loading a heavy oar kills it 
2015-03-17 17:42 <nebadon> what operating system?
2015-03-17 17:43 <H-H-H> arch 32bit
2015-03-17 17:43 <nebadon> what kernel are you running?
2015-03-17 17:44 <H-H-H> and sorry i meant manjaro lol i was thinking something else arch related sorry
2015-03-17 17:44 <nebadon> I had trouble with kernel 3.16 
2015-03-17 17:44 <nebadon> and any version of mono
2015-03-17 17:44 <nebadon> but kernel 3.11 is fine
2015-03-17 17:44 <H-H-H> 3.10.71-1-MANJARO
2015-03-17 17:44 <nebadon> k not that then
2015-03-17 17:45 <H-H-H> i can try a different kernel for testing purposes
2015-03-17 17:45 <nebadon> a lot of my regions are running on 3.12 and 3.12.1 now
2015-03-17 17:45 <nebadon> have you tried 3.12.1 ?
2015-03-17 17:45 <nebadon> mono
2015-03-17 17:45 <H-H-H> my mono is Mono JIT compiler version 3.12.1
2015-03-17 17:45 <nebadon> ok
2015-03-17 17:45 <nebadon> yea Ive not experienced anything unusual
2015-03-17 17:46 <nebadon> the OSCC grid is running that version 
2015-03-17 17:46 <nebadon> everything i have is 64 bit though
2015-03-17 17:46 <H-H-H> this machine is a dual core 2.8 with 2gb ram 
2015-03-17 17:48 <H-H-H> and it used to n a simple grid setup fine with robust and one region being served by one opensim.exe all using localhost however now that same setup seems to just die after a while with no help in the logs
2015-03-17 17:50 <H-H-H> run^
2015-03-17 17:52 <H-H-H> thanks anyway nebadon :)
2015-03-17 17:54 <smxy> I'm running ~60 regions on 3.12.1 without any dying. Haven't tried loading any OARs though.
2015-03-17 17:54 <H-H-H> thanks smxy :)
2015-03-17 17:54 <smxy> I do have a few more cores and a bit more RAM than you, though.
2015-03-17 17:56 <H-H-H> probably something wierd with manjaro lol im going to investigate a bi more and see if i can persuade mono to be a bit more helpfull in its error logs lol
2015-03-17 17:58 <H-H-H> interestingly it seems to be fine if the sim is active but if i leave my av logged in and go walk the dog or something its died before i get back :|
2015-03-17 18:04 <smxy> Run mono in debug mode, perhaps.
2015-03-17 18:05 <smxy> export MONO_LOG_LEVEL=debug
2015-03-17 18:07 <H-H-H> wow thats chatty in the console lol
2015-03-17 18:07 <smxy> Yes :)
2015-03-17 18:24 <osmantis> Bug #6835:04 Incorrect movement direction when camera is tilted in 3rd person view 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6835 ): has been REOPENED.
2015-03-17 18:30 <osmantis> Bug #6835:04 Incorrect movement direction when camera is tilted in 3rd person view 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6835 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-17 19:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #4117 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-17 19:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4117: SUCCESS in 8 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4117/
2015-03-17 19:05 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Re-enabled ability for avatar to ascend and descend whilst controlling view with lmb held down on avatar (in most viewers).
2015-03-17 19:14 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-17 19:16 <osmantis> Bug #6835:04 Incorrect movement direction when camera is tilted in 3rd person view 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6835 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-17 19:30 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-17 19:58 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-17 20:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #4118 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-03-17 20:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4118: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4118/
2015-03-17 20:19 <osjenkins> dahlia: oops someone set individual quaternion members and forgot to normalize
2015-03-17 20:32 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-03-17 22:13 <Littlefeather> does anyone kow if there is a bug that prevents region restart from working?
2015-03-17 22:19 <smxy> In-world restart?
2015-03-17 22:21 <smxy> I'd heard that it wasn't working quite right, so it was better to set the ini setting that an in-word restart actually does a shurdown. Then I run the simuaator in a loop, so that it restarts.
2015-03-17 22:22 <Littlefeather> can you explain how you run the simulator in a loop?
2015-03-17 22:30 <dahlia> while 1; do mono Opensim.exe; done
2015-03-17 22:30 <dahlia> (on linux)
2015-03-17 22:32 <Littlefeather> ahh ok im using windows
2015-03-17 22:33 <dahlia> oh dunno
2015-03-17 22:33 <dahlia> probably some simple .bat file trick
2015-03-17 22:33 <dahlia> but I dont know .bat files
2015-03-17 22:33 <Littlefeather> i think i can do that in bat
2015-03-17 23:55 <smxy> I buit a bit more smarts into my script than that, but yeah, dahia. :)
2015-03-17 23:55 <smxy> hmm, I have akey dying I think
2015-03-18 00:09 <dahlia> smxy: ya I have more in mine too but I only wanted to illustrate the technique
2015-03-18 00:44 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-18 04:53 <osmantis> Bug #7393:04 Visitors with high packet latency cause region to experience excessive lag and other performance issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7393 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-03-18 06:45 <osmantis> Bug #7500:04 console alert command no longer works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7500 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-18 07:54 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-18 09:06 <osmantis> Bug #6977:04 Limit see and chat with avatars of others parcels do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6977 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-18 09:08 <osmantis> Bug #7504:04 clothing can not find assets even lk clothing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7504 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-18 10:19 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-18 10:29 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-18 10:39 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-18 14:30 <Ar3s> Hello there, anyone here who has some knowledge about Parcels ? I am investigating if it were possible to make Parcels 3D, meaning the definition of a parcel is done by X, Y AND Z :-) ?
2015-03-18 14:34 <LiruCookies> viewer might puke
2015-03-18 14:39 <AllenKerensky> Firestorm has its parcel windlight code to apply different windlight settings by altitude on a parcel, based on text stored in the parcel description
2015-03-18 14:39 <AllenKerensky> but that's about the only feature I know of that works that way
2015-03-18 14:41 <Ar3s> As i can see it at the moment lol... The Viewer just requests parcel settings/details and all sorts... the code gets the position of the client, and gets the parcel info from that position...
2015-03-18 14:42 <Ar3s> So if i would adapt the functions used for parcels, including the ClientApi etc.. then the viewer would get different parcels for even positions in different heights...
2015-03-18 14:42 <Ar3s> Only one problem i can see now
2015-03-18 14:42 <Ar3s> Creating parcels in a viewer itself
2015-03-18 14:43 <AllenKerensky> my guess is that it would take a trigger in viewer for the appropriate messages to opensim - then the code in opensim to respond appropriately
2015-03-18 14:44 <Ar3s> The opensim code has a trigger (which is triggered by client movement) ClientMovedToOtherParcel (name is not exact, but its there)
2015-03-18 14:45 <LiruCookies> The viewer doesn't expect parcels not to have the whole z axis.
2015-03-18 14:45 <Ar3s> The viewer is then send all the details of the parcel you just moved into
2015-03-18 14:46 <Ar3s> Thats what i was thinking, but i believe the viewer only uses the X and Y to show the user where the parcel is
2015-03-18 14:46 <Ar3s> To draw the parcel lines in parcel creation/editing
2015-03-18 14:49 <nebadon> why do you need vertical parcels?
2015-03-18 14:49 <Ar3s> So if that is correct, the only problem in the viewer would be that it isn't showing the parcel boundery's correct, being 3D
2015-03-18 14:49 <Ar3s> Why ?
2015-03-18 14:50 <nebadon> yea just curious
2015-03-18 14:50 <Ar3s> Well thats a huge commarcialy benefit if you have those haha :-)
2015-03-18 14:50 <Ar3s> Appart from that...
2015-03-18 14:50 <nebadon> how so?
2015-03-18 14:50 <Ar3s> We use OpenSim as the base of our Rp Game :-)
2015-03-18 14:50 <Ar3s> how so... for example you build an appartment
2015-03-18 14:51 <Ar3s> you rent out rooms in that appartment
2015-03-18 14:51 <Ar3s> if each room would be a parcel
2015-03-18 14:51 <Ar3s> People would love it :-)
2015-03-18 14:52 <nebadon> hmm yea, would need to get all the viewers to adopt that
2015-03-18 14:52 <nebadon> I am not sure TPVs could do that or not guess it depends on how it would effect Second Life
2015-03-18 14:52 <Ar3s> But anyhow appart from that point of view... i'm from UFSGrid, we are creating a opensim addon module that simulates a Star Trek Ship computer
2015-03-18 14:52 <Ar3s> in a star trek ship that is :-)
2015-03-18 14:52 <nebadon> cool
2015-03-18 14:52 <Ar3s> We have quarters in those ships AND
2015-03-18 14:53 <Ar3s> a Bridge
2015-03-18 14:53 <Ar3s> Engineering, in short an entire Ship :)
2015-03-18 14:53 <nebadon> i guess I just wonder how you define the vertical parcel
2015-03-18 14:53 <nebadon> since there is nothing to select
2015-03-18 14:53 <Ar3s> We already have code that defines Locations in that ship
2015-03-18 14:53 <nebadon> you cant just draw a box in the air
2015-03-18 14:53 <Ar3s> But it would be cool to have those Locations have seperate MusicURL's
2015-03-18 14:54 <nebadon> how do you define these levels
2015-03-18 14:54 <nebadon> I think it would require heavy viewer mods
2015-03-18 14:54 <nebadon> to be able to visualize these parcels
2015-03-18 14:54 <Ar3s> yep indeed visualize true
2015-03-18 14:55 <Ar3s> or even the ability to create a parcel
2015-03-18 14:55 <nebadon> right
2015-03-18 14:55 <nebadon> the only thing i could think to do it without heavily modifying the viewer
2015-03-18 14:55 <Ar3s> A way around that is to limit Parcel creation to a account website orso
2015-03-18 14:55 <nebadon> would be to use textures
2015-03-18 14:55 <nebadon> in SL with the .raw file
2015-03-18 14:55 <nebadon> there is a layer that can define parcels
2015-03-18 14:55 <nebadon> maybe something like that
2015-03-18 14:56 <Ar3s> Also only X/Y :-)
2015-03-18 14:56 <nebadon> however i think that might still require viewer changes, hard to say
2015-03-18 14:56 <nebadon> right
2015-03-18 14:56 <AllenKerensky> volume sculpty
2015-03-18 14:56 <nebadon> you would need one for each level
2015-03-18 14:56 <nebadon> sounds like a very difficult proposal
2015-03-18 14:56 <nebadon> the only thing that would really be problematic at this point
2015-03-18 14:56 <nebadon> is the Music URL
2015-03-18 14:57 <nebadon> with video you can just use the personal channels
2015-03-18 14:57 <Ar3s> I think i'm back to my first idea... create somekind of trigger to my own addon code, on request of Parcelinfo/details change the musicurl according to the avatar's location
2015-03-18 14:57 <nebadon> if all you were worried about was media that is
2015-03-18 14:57 <nebadon> that would change for everyone though
2015-03-18 14:57 <nebadon> not just that one person
2015-03-18 14:57 <nebadon> you can not do music on private channel
2015-03-18 14:57 <nebadon> i wish you could
2015-03-18 14:57 <nebadon> ive wanted that for a long time
2015-03-18 14:58 <Ar3s> depending on how you code it...
2015-03-18 14:58 <nebadon> well the shoutcast cant be programmed any other way
2015-03-18 14:58 <nebadon> you would need to come up with maybe a flash based shoutcast player
2015-03-18 14:58 <nebadon> and then program that into the media channel
2015-03-18 14:58 <nebadon> then you could do shoutcast on private media channel
2015-03-18 14:59 <LiruCookies> This really sounds like a task easily done with shared media.
2015-03-18 14:59 <Ar3s> if place a trigger in the func:SendLandProperties so that another function in your addon code is called, where you can check the location of the client, compare it to your own data and replace the MusicURL to what you have for that location...
2015-03-18 14:59 <nebadon> yea but i dont think shared media can just take a standard shoutcast url
2015-03-18 14:59 <Ar3s> then it is only send to THAT USER REQUESTING it
2015-03-18 14:59 <nebadon> you sure?
2015-03-18 14:59 <Ar3s> yep
2015-03-18 14:59 <nebadon> ive tried in the past to send shoutcast using the audio to a single user
2015-03-18 14:59 <nebadon> i couldnt do it
2015-03-18 14:59 <Ar3s> i did something like that with the MOAP module :-)
2015-03-18 15:00 <Ar3s> and the Chatmodule :-)
2015-03-18 15:00 <nebadon> yes with moap sure
2015-03-18 15:00 <nebadon> but not the traditional shoutcast channel
2015-03-18 15:00 <nebadon> i wish you could
2015-03-18 15:00 <nebadon> that would be awesome
2015-03-18 15:00 <Ar3s> You can't just send it
2015-03-18 15:00 <LiruCookies> You can easily write a wrapper via moap to do that for shoutcast 
2015-03-18 15:00 <nebadon> yea
2015-03-18 15:00 <Ar3s> You need to adapt the SendLandProperties function
2015-03-18 15:01 <Ar3s> there's a few definitions of that func, but i believe the one we need is located in OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.World.Land
2015-03-18 15:02 <Ar3s> if you create that wrapper
2015-03-18 15:02 <Ar3s> whenever the client is send a new parcelinfo/properties etc.. it gets the old shoutcast, stored in the parcel
2015-03-18 15:03 <Ar3s> so you actualy need a wrapper at the point where it sends the data to the client
2015-03-18 15:04 <nebadon> ya maybe one could make an OSSL function to only send that new URL to just a single avatar, but I am not sure
2015-03-18 15:04 <nebadon> not sure how that stuff is wired on the back end
2015-03-18 15:05 <Ar3s> Uhm.. if you really want personal musicurl
2015-03-18 15:05 <Ar3s> then you need a backend that has the ability to store them
2015-03-18 15:05 <Ar3s> opensim just stores the musicurl of a parcel in the land table
2015-03-18 15:05 <Ar3s> and can only have one :-)
2015-03-18 15:06 <nebadon> right but if you wanted to set it via proximity
2015-03-18 15:06 <Ar3s> per parcel that is
2015-03-18 15:06 <nebadon> you wouldnt really need to store it
2015-03-18 15:06 <nebadon> just have the script trigger it
2015-03-18 15:07 <nebadon> i have video screens where i can program like 100 videos to a single screen
2015-03-18 15:07 <Ar3s> back to square 1, if you let another function send an url to a single person, it gets overwritten when it receives parcel data again...
2015-03-18 15:07 <nebadon> and have like 20 people all watching different videos simulatneously
2015-03-18 15:07 <nebadon> ya that is true
2015-03-18 15:07 <nebadon> its a difficult problem for sure :)
2015-03-18 15:08 <Ar3s> but, if you create a trigger just before the parcel data is send to the client, and adapt accordingly
2015-03-18 15:08 <Ar3s> problem solved
2015-03-18 15:08 <AllenKerensky> Is the goal to just send different parcel music URLs - or to send entire different parcel data structs based on altitude?
2015-03-18 15:08 <Ar3s> for me at the moment only music url's :-)
2015-03-18 15:09 <Ar3s> But in general
2015-03-18 15:09 <AllenKerensky> you can send per-avatar music URLs - all you need a list, a timer, and the get list of avatars in region setting
2015-03-18 15:09 <Ar3s> It would be allot more interesting to have parcels be in 3D :-)
2015-03-18 15:09 <Ar3s> haha
2015-03-18 15:09 <nebadon> you could use llVolumeDetect maybe
2015-03-18 15:09 <nebadon> have invisible prims on the floor
2015-03-18 15:09 <nebadon> but like you said if someone changes the media url for the entire parcel taht could disrupt things
2015-03-18 15:10 <Ar3s> The viewer gets the parceldata uhm allot
2015-03-18 15:10 <Ar3s> eg dwell update
2015-03-18 15:10 <nebadon> yea
2015-03-18 15:10 <nebadon> but if you used private media channel
2015-03-18 15:10 <nebadon> not the parcel
2015-03-18 15:10 <AllenKerensky> so don't set one on the parcel
2015-03-18 15:10 <nebadon> then parcel updates dont matter
2015-03-18 15:10 <nebadon> as much anyway
2015-03-18 15:10 <AllenKerensky> use use the function to send the media URL by uuid
2015-03-18 15:10 <nebadon> right
2015-03-18 15:10 <nebadon> i wish you could do that with the shoutcast channel
2015-03-18 15:11 <nebadon> that would be awesome
2015-03-18 15:11 <Ar3s> yes thats what i actualy need, the shoutcast channel (musicurl)
2015-03-18 15:11 <nebadon> but if you made a flash based or html based shoutcast player
2015-03-18 15:11 <Ar3s> the intention is
2015-03-18 15:11 <nebadon> then you could just use the private media url by uuid
2015-03-18 15:11 <nebadon> and achieve the same thing
2015-03-18 15:12 <nebadon> you could use llvolumedetect panels on the floor
2015-03-18 15:12 <Ar3s> to have a shoutcast server, which has streams for all defined locations, and have it respond with "voice" to commands that people give :p (think about a computer system in star trek) :p
2015-03-18 15:12 <AllenKerensky> i thought someone hacked that together in SL long long ago
2015-03-18 15:12 <nebadon> or radar scanner which would have problems i suspect
2015-03-18 15:12 <nebadon> since its spherical
2015-03-18 15:12 <nebadon> wouldnt lend well to vertical
2015-03-18 15:12 <nebadon> where llVolumeDetect could be very precise even non square shapes
2015-03-18 15:13 <AllenKerensky> yeah the difference is that I think Ar3s is thinking of 3D volumes that interlock like tetris pieces
2015-03-18 15:13 <AllenKerensky> not just x,y whole region parcel bounded by Z
2015-03-18 15:13 <nebadon> heh man
2015-03-18 15:13 <Ar3s> true
2015-03-18 15:13 <nebadon> now your getting really crazy
2015-03-18 15:13 <nebadon> hehe
2015-03-18 15:13 <Ar3s> but thats not really a problem
2015-03-18 15:14 <AllenKerensky> yeah I thought so - I've had the same wish for Windlight settings
2015-03-18 15:14 <smxy> [10:52] <nebadon> I am not sure TPVs could do that or not guess it depends on how it would effect Second Life <-- I wish to hell we would stop giving a damn what SL does, and do what we want.
2015-03-18 15:14 <nebadon> its not that smxy
2015-03-18 15:14 <Ar3s> Util.IsInsideBox(rqObject.AbsolutePosition, entry.Value.AreaMin, entry.Value.AreaMax
2015-03-18 15:14 <nebadon> it viewers want to maintain their TPV status in SL
2015-03-18 15:14 <nebadon> they have to adhere to LL's rules
2015-03-18 15:14 <smxy> I know. We don't have our own viewer.
2015-03-18 15:14 <AllenKerensky> smxy as long as the viewer code is based on LL's - whatever LL is up to still matters
2015-03-18 15:14 <nebadon> or do like Firestorm and make a opensim only viewer
2015-03-18 15:14 <nebadon> which is a lot of work
2015-03-18 15:14 <AllenKerensky> every line of linden code you import includes linden assumptions...
2015-03-18 15:15 <AllenKerensky> its working with those that cause trouble
2015-03-18 15:15 <nebadon> OnLook is going to not care about SL
2015-03-18 15:15 <nebadon> if we can get more time to work on it
2015-03-18 15:15 <AllenKerensky> Ar3s problem sounds a lot like the kind of compromise tradeoff you get with making machinima or RP
2015-03-18 15:15 <AllenKerensky> compromising what you want based on what you can get away with
2015-03-18 15:15 <nebadon> it will probably be the first true breakaway viewer
2015-03-18 15:16 <nebadon> it kind of already is
2015-03-18 15:16 <Ar3s> Rp :-)
2015-03-18 15:16 <smxy> This project will forever be crippled by SL compatibility. I wish they'd go under so we could do what we want after that.
2015-03-18 15:16 <AllenKerensky> well, Radegast, ajaxlife, etc were already "not based on LL-viewer code" directly...
2015-03-18 15:16 <nebadon> yes but they do seem to be SL focuses
2015-03-18 15:16 <AllenKerensky> have you seen Space Nerds in Space Ar3s
2015-03-18 15:16 <nebadon> Radegast maybe is kind of in the middle
2015-03-18 15:16 <nebadon> but it doesnt radically depart from the SL norm
2015-03-18 15:16 <AllenKerensky> it sounds like you are trying to pull that off in OpenSim
2015-03-18 15:16 <nebadon> OnLook will in time
2015-03-18 15:17 <Ar3s> Like i said, we have an entire "spaceship" in a viewer, with a simulated Computer of that space ship.... i've even modified the chatmodule, so that chat in every Location defined inside that Ship doesn't leave that location :)
2015-03-18 15:17 <nebadon> it will have the ability to program huds via the opensim server
2015-03-18 15:17 <nebadon> you might find that interesting Ar3s
2015-03-18 15:17 <Ar3s> hm :-)
2015-03-18 15:17 <Ar3s> let's have a look! :-)
2015-03-18 15:17 <nebadon> have the ability to completely transform the viewer look and feel depending on the simulator you visit
2015-03-18 15:17 <Ar3s> thats what we need lol
2015-03-18 15:17 <AllenKerensky> yeah if you just want computer voice prompts to go to specific people - there's a HUD audio trigger that only plays to the person wearing the HUD
2015-03-18 15:18 <nebadon> http://metaverseink.com/blog/?p=566
2015-03-18 15:18 <AllenKerensky> you don't have to mess with music streams by person etc
2015-03-18 15:18 <nebadon> you can try it out
2015-03-18 15:18 <nebadon> its not quite available for everyone yet
2015-03-18 15:18 <nebadon> I think diva still has the regions running
2015-03-18 15:18 <nebadon> the viewer is available but the region modules are not yet
2015-03-18 15:19 <nebadon> its super alpha still
2015-03-18 15:19 <Ar3s> my first idea was even more crazy... i contacted vivox to ask if they have the ability for text to speech... people gave a command in voice and my addon module receives it in text
2015-03-18 15:19 <Ar3s> speech to text that is
2015-03-18 15:19 <Ar3s> but that didn't work great :P
2015-03-18 15:19 <nebadon> im guessing they said no
2015-03-18 15:19 <nebadon> hehe
2015-03-18 15:19 <Ar3s> it exists :-)
2015-03-18 15:19 <Ar3s> but with all the different languages
2015-03-18 15:19 <Ar3s> from all over the world
2015-03-18 15:19 <nebadon> yea
2015-03-18 15:20 <Ar3s> it was a 2/10 chance that it could be parsed lol
2015-03-18 15:20 <nebadon> google probably cant even do that well yet
2015-03-18 15:20 <nebadon> hehe
2015-03-18 15:20 <Ar3s> and it was rather expensive
2015-03-18 15:20 <Ar3s> for a 2/10 chance :P
2015-03-18 15:20 <nebadon> yea
2015-03-18 15:21 <Ar3s> if you seen star trek, imagine the captain say a hundred times RED ALERT before the computer understands :P
2015-03-18 15:21 <Ar3s> thats back to 21 century lol
2015-03-18 15:23 <nebadon> lol
2015-03-18 15:24 <AllenKerensky> in a way - this reminds me of the problems Baroun and I had simulating "vacuum of space" in SL
2015-03-18 15:24 <AllenKerensky> in the end - we ended up with a central controller which looked at everyone's position and sent them a HUD message
2015-03-18 15:24 <Ar3s> yeah...
2015-03-18 15:24 <Ar3s> Would be cool if we don't drop down when we jump out of the ship :P
2015-03-18 15:24 <Ar3s> lol
2015-03-18 15:24 <AllenKerensky> yeah turn on zero-gee was in the same thing
2015-03-18 15:25 <AllenKerensky> as well as "vacuum armor"
2015-03-18 15:25 <nebadon> hehe ya these are all very complex issues to solve for sure
2015-03-18 15:25 <Ar3s> regionwide
2015-03-18 15:25 <nebadon> would need something like pathfinding
2015-03-18 15:25 <Ar3s> can't even be done per parcel atm
2015-03-18 15:25 <AllenKerensky> so the sound one - if the computer alerts can be a pre-recorded library - then the same technique works
2015-03-18 15:25 <nebadon> where you upload a mesh representation of physical spaces
2015-03-18 15:25 <nebadon> and each physical space has its own variables
2015-03-18 15:26 <nebadon> and basically on the back end its doin something like llVolumeDetect
2015-03-18 15:26 <AllenKerensky> the controller's sendAlert(key uuid,string alert) would send a region chat message just to uuid's HUD - that triggers the llPlaySound there for sound UUID "alert"
2015-03-18 15:26 <nebadon> to tell which physical space your in
2015-03-18 15:27 <Ar3s> hmm
2015-03-18 15:27 <Ar3s> yes for alert sounds we have that already
2015-03-18 15:27 <Ar3s> but the responses in voice
2015-03-18 15:27 <Ar3s> from the computer
2015-03-18 15:27 <Ar3s> would be a huge library :-) lol
2015-03-18 15:27 <AllenKerensky> custom content always is
2015-03-18 15:27 <Ar3s> and then... parse the text to the needed UUID's of words etc..
2015-03-18 15:27 <AllenKerensky> beware boiling the ocean
2015-03-18 15:28 <AllenKerensky> go back and watch all of the star treks - the computer doesn't really say that much
2015-03-18 15:28 <AllenKerensky> it goes woop woop and maybe a specific voice prompt here and there
2015-03-18 15:28 <AllenKerensky> the crewman usually clarifies it
2015-03-18 15:28 <Ar3s> i should start by inviting some good looking lady with a stunning voice to start recording those computer replies lol
2015-03-18 15:28 <AllenKerensky> too  much computer could take away from RP, not promote it
2015-03-18 15:29 <AllenKerensky> the computer makes a handfull of automated alerts, but leaving it to the right bridge crew to clarify it based on their station sounds more RP to me
2015-03-18 15:29 <Ar3s> its not a full language true, its a wide set of words but it's possible
2015-03-18 15:30 <Ar3s> Please rephrase the question
2015-03-18 15:30 <Ar3s> thats used allot
2015-03-18 15:30 <Ar3s> lmao
2015-03-18 15:30 <AllenKerensky> what I am saying is that you might be able to go more "minimal" and thereby promote more player RP
2015-03-18 15:30 <AllenKerensky> rather than having computer convey useful info .
2015-03-18 15:30 <Ar3s> i've found a zip with most of the computer responses from Voyager
2015-03-18 15:30 <AllenKerensky> or... make the computer an RP player too
2015-03-18 15:31 <AllenKerensky> how many of those were there?
2015-03-18 15:31 <Ar3s> 110
2015-03-18 15:31 <Ar3s> not that bad actualy
2015-03-18 15:31 <AllenKerensky> i think you're on the same wavelength I am thinking then
2015-03-18 15:32 <AllenKerensky> I bet only 10 of those are "critical" or were used multiple episodes and the rest are "edge cases"
2015-03-18 15:32 <Ar3s> i've been playing with that idea, was looking for somekind of viewer which can be controlled by xmlrpc or json or whatever
2015-03-18 15:32 <AllenKerensky> look at RLV
2015-03-18 15:32 <AllenKerensky> there's a lot of RP specific functionality there
2015-03-18 15:33 <Ar3s> we use RLV to adapt the players viewers
2015-03-18 15:33 <AllenKerensky> yeah I do the same in Myriad
2015-03-18 15:33 <AllenKerensky> its just a simple illustration of the possibility - IC or OOC mode and windlight changes
2015-03-18 15:33 <Ar3s> idd
2015-03-18 15:34 <Ar3s> Oh btw
2015-03-18 15:34 <Ar3s> Have you looked ever looked into creating dynamic group chats? when you select several clients in your friendslist and start a groupchat with them?
2015-03-18 15:35 <Ar3s> I managed so far to actualy create dynamic groups
2015-03-18 15:35 <Ar3s> we use them for several things, for example a Controllers Group who are actualy the people who let things happen inside the simulation (rp)
2015-03-18 15:35 <AllenKerensky> yeah I went low-rent - I have a "radio headset" that lets teams tune to different channels
2015-03-18 15:35 <AllenKerensky> and the keypad for the backpack one has other functions which get triggered by regionsay
2015-03-18 15:36 <Ar3s> Remember where to find the code in opensim that handles the groupchat with selected clients ?
2015-03-18 15:36 <AllenKerensky> it seems you're walking a fine line between "breaking" OpenSim to fork your own MMO-style setup - or just working around/within the platform as it is
2015-03-18 15:37 <AllenKerensky> hopefully some cool extensions to the platform are the result
2015-03-18 15:38 <AllenKerensky> and no, I didn't mess with that - I made an RP prop that basically gave the same capability by letting a team control their own radio channel
2015-03-18 15:45 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-18 15:46 <Ar3s> The modifications are minimal, most of the things are done by addon modules :-) haha
2015-03-18 15:46 <Ar3s> there are a few mods i placed in a patch which i apply when i update the core
2015-03-18 15:47 <AllenKerensky> cool
2015-03-18 15:47 <Ar3s> But i'm a beginning C# programmer
2015-03-18 15:47 <Ar3s> if i knew more
2015-03-18 15:47 <Ar3s> about it
2015-03-18 15:47 <Ar3s> i would probly create overrides for everything lmao
2015-03-18 15:48 <Ar3s> opensim is a very nice platform... the addon modules idea is super :-)
2015-03-18 15:49 <AllenKerensky> and it sounds like you found a need/niche to take advantage of it
2015-03-18 15:49 <AllenKerensky> it seems to me that staging your RP is much like SL machinima - you end up using a whole mess of different techniques depending on situation
2015-03-18 15:50 <AllenKerensky> ultimately, you may be aiming toward something like an "ST Bridge Simulator" module
2015-03-18 15:50 <Ar3s> for now it stays at star trek, but the intention is to make it available for any scifi thing, avatar, star wars, whatever
2015-03-18 15:51 <Ar3s> i got the general idea from the addon modules system in opensim
2015-03-18 15:51 <Ar3s> everything i controlled by a backend, just a PHP based website with XMLRPC Commands
2015-03-18 15:51 <Ar3s> is*
2015-03-18 15:51 <AllenKerensky> might be some possibility to drag in some of the Space Nerds in Space stuff as part of the module
2015-03-18 15:51 <Ar3s> that backend actualy sends all the commands to the module :-)
2015-03-18 15:52 <Ar3s> people that rent such a region with a computer module inside of it, have the ability to create commands
2015-03-18 15:52 <Ar3s> they are stored in the backend and then send to the addon module :-)
2015-03-18 15:53 <Ar3s> well getting people involved with it
2015-03-18 15:53 <Ar3s> is not easy
2015-03-18 15:54 <Ar3s> i think like a programmer
2015-03-18 15:54 <Ar3s> not a commercial minded person
2015-03-18 15:54 <Ar3s> i can't sell
2015-03-18 15:54 <Ar3s> lol
2015-03-18 15:54 <Ar3s> i can build, not sell :-)
2015-03-18 15:55 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-18 15:55 <Ar3s> we have about 1300 registered people and from those 1300 there are 20-25 active
2015-03-18 15:55 <Ar3s> lol
2015-03-18 15:56 <Ar3s> but that will be thesame in each opensim grid..
2015-03-18 15:56 <Ar3s> just need to find a way :)
2015-03-18 16:10 <H-H-H> anyone know of a console command to change the water level
2015-03-18 16:19 <Ar3s> H-H-H, you can do that in estate :)
2015-03-18 16:20 <Ar3s> And: set water height <height> [<x>] [<y>] - Sets the water height in meters.  If <x> and <y> are specified, it will only set it on regions with a matching coordinate. Specify -1 in <x> or <y> to wildcard that coordinate.
2015-03-18 16:20 <Ar3s> on console :)
2015-03-18 16:22 <H-H-H> thanks i also found the os script command for it to
2015-03-18 16:30 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-18 20:20 <nebadon> sigh, now they are saying on the email list about physx that cross platform compatibility isnt going to be a concern for them??
2015-03-18 20:20 <nebadon> thats pretty much a nail in the coffin for me
2015-03-18 20:21 <AllenKerensky> so PhysX will be a windows server only option or something?
2015-03-18 20:46 <dahlia> I vaguely remember way back when I first tried opensim in 2006-7ish that physx was a dependency
2015-03-18 20:47 <dahlia> which was strange because there was absolutely no physics at the time lol
2015-03-18 20:48 <smxy> It would be a shame if it were Windows-only.
2015-03-18 20:49 <nebadon> to be honest I don't know
2015-03-18 20:49 <nebadon> im just relaying what was said on the email list
2015-03-18 20:49 <dahlia> at this point I'm not seeing that it would be something many people would want anyway
2015-03-18 20:49 <nebadon> its sounding less and less attractive though
2015-03-18 20:50 <nebadon> yea 
2015-03-18 20:50 <nebadon> I think its kind of a wasted effort
2015-03-18 20:50 <dahlia> probably not for them
2015-03-18 20:50 <nebadon> yea maybe
2015-03-18 20:50 <smxy> Then again, if it worked with .Net, perhaps it would take a lot to take that and make it also work for Mono?
2015-03-18 20:50 <nebadon> Bullet can probably do everything they want though
2015-03-18 20:51 <nebadon> Bullet supports GPU
2015-03-18 20:51 <nebadon> someone just needs to implement it
2015-03-18 20:51 <smxy> s/would/wouldn't/
2015-03-18 20:51 <dahlia> it's funny... people talk about opensim going it's own way yet mantis is filled with "but SL does it this way"
2015-03-18 20:51 <nebadon> well I think what was said is the PhysX.net wrapper is still C++
2015-03-18 20:51 <nebadon> and not C#
2015-03-18 20:51 <nebadon> but maybe im misunderstanding
2015-03-18 20:51 <dahlia> both ode and bullet are c++
2015-03-18 20:51 <nebadon> ya this was the wrapper though
2015-03-18 20:52 <nebadon> I dont get it
2015-03-18 20:52 <nebadon> im probably misunderstanding something
2015-03-18 20:52 <dahlia> wrappers just need to expose it in a way that c# can access it
2015-03-18 20:52 <nebadon> well I can tell you MOSES grid runs on Linux
2015-03-18 20:53 <nebadon> so it obviously has to run on linux to satisfy their needs
2015-03-18 20:53 <dahlia> they can probably use windows if they want
2015-03-18 20:53 <nebadon> but that likely means they have no intetion of caring if it works on Windows or Mac
2015-03-18 20:53 <AllenKerensky> would be weird if they were using DSG to run physics services on windows heh
2015-03-18 20:53 <nebadon> they arent using DSG
2015-03-18 20:53 <nebadon> from what I know DSG no longer works
2015-03-18 20:53 <nebadon> changes in master git broke compatibility
2015-03-18 20:53 <nebadon> and no one has fixed it, and from what i know peformance is abysmal
2015-03-18 20:54 <nebadon> its actually worse with DSG than it is with just a single region
2015-03-18 20:54 <AllenKerensky> yeah was an easy fix - I threw those on a mantis I think
2015-03-18 20:54 <dahlia> AllenKerensky: you use DSG?
2015-03-18 20:54 <AllenKerensky> no, was working on testing it
2015-03-18 20:54 <AllenKerensky> got sidetracked with OSG down and var changes and RL kids basketball season
2015-03-18 20:55 <dahlia> pfffft RL :P
2015-03-18 20:55 <AllenKerensky> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7310
2015-03-18 20:55 <dahlia> I have another server (not opensim) that uses DSG-like concepts
2015-03-18 20:56 <dahlia> but havent worked on it for a few years
2015-03-18 20:56 <AllenKerensky> the notes went all "real developer should do this blah blah blah" and I have no idea what it meant so I left it
2015-03-18 20:56 <dahlia> lol
2015-03-18 20:57 <AllenKerensky> I am not a lawyer, doctor, priest, pilot, or developer nor do I play one on TV
2015-03-18 20:57 <AllenKerensky> my additional information there pretty much said it all at the time
2015-03-18 20:58 <dahlia> I is a graphics developer who has been dragged into network issues too many times in the past few decades :/
2015-03-18 20:58 <AllenKerensky> I don't even mention shell scripting on my resume
2015-03-18 20:58 <Littlefeather> anyone know where the default animations for opensim are stored?
2015-03-18 20:58 <dahlia> haha
2015-03-18 20:59 <AllenKerensky> Littlefeather default animations are in the viewer itself
2015-03-18 20:59 <dahlia> Littlefeather: I think they are in the viewer
2015-03-18 20:59 <Littlefeather> anyway to can
2015-03-18 20:59 <Littlefeather> woops
2015-03-18 21:00 <Littlefeather> anyway to change them ? like in avataranimations.xml
2015-03-18 21:00 <dahlia> could use an AO
2015-03-18 21:00 <dahlia> (animation overrider)
2015-03-18 21:00 <dahlia> most viewers have one built in
2015-03-18 21:00 <Littlefeather> true 
2015-03-18 21:00 <dahlia> or there are scripted ones
2015-03-18 21:22 <Wanderer_42> 2828427125
2015-03-18 21:22 <Wanderer_42> sorry, wrong window
2015-03-18 21:25 <osmantis> Bug #7393:04 Visitors with high packet latency cause region to experience excessive lag and other performance issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7393 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-18 21:46 <Littlefeather> ok one last thing in standalone mode you can add library data from iar by putting it in library how do you do this in a grid setup?
2015-03-18 22:01 <smxy> You can't.
2015-03-18 22:01 <smxy> It isn't supported in grid mode.
2015-03-18 22:06 <Littlefeather> i see that opensim library has data thats what ia am trying to add to
2015-03-18 22:11 <smxy> Yes, standalone has an easy way of dropping things into the library. Grid mode doesn't.
2015-03-18 22:17 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-03-19 04:07 <root> hi
2015-03-19 04:07 <root> :)_
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2015-03-19 09:42 <osmantis> Bug #7505:04 ERROR 42883 when creating a group on HG Grid - database PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7505 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2015-03-19 10:28 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-19 10:42 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-19 11:43 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-19 11:45 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-19 13:40 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-19 13:50 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-19 17:55 <nebadon> anyone know who maintains openmetaverse.org
2015-03-19 17:55 <nebadon> is that you lkalif?
2015-03-19 17:55 <nebadon> appears to be down? even lib.openmetaverse.org is down just white pages
2015-03-19 17:56 <RazWelles> There's actually html code there so its... just wiped
2015-03-19 17:56 <RazWelles> If anyone has any of the most recent chm files..
2015-03-19 17:57 <nebadon> http://web.archive.org/web/20140103225616/http://openmetaverse.org/
2015-03-19 17:58 <nebadon> it appears its not been archived by wayback machine for quite some time
2015-03-19 17:58 <RazWelles> I think the last version was.. 0.8?
2015-03-19 17:58 <nebadon> actually this is latest > Dec 18
2015-03-19 17:58 <nebadon> http://web.archive.org/web/20141218021122/http://openmetaverse.org/
2015-03-19 17:58 <RazWelles> So not oo many months go
2015-03-19 17:58 <RazWelles> *too *ago
2015-03-19 17:59 <nebadon> it appears lib.openmetaverse.org has never been archived
2015-03-19 17:59 <nebadon> or someone purged the archive maybe
2015-03-19 17:59 <nebadon> oh wait
2015-03-19 17:59 <nebadon> maybe it has
2015-03-19 17:59 <RazWelles> Gosh
2015-03-19 17:59 <nebadon> wierd
2015-03-19 17:59 <nebadon> it showed and error then it eventually loaded
2015-03-19 17:59 <RazWelles> Oh?
2015-03-19 17:59 <RazWelles> chm file thre?
2015-03-19 17:59 <RazWelles> *there?
2015-03-19 18:00 <nebadon> its been a while
2015-03-19 18:00 <nebadon> http://web.archive.org/web/20130704150546/http://lib.openmetaverse.org/wiki/Main_Page
2015-03-19 18:00 <nebadon> July 4, 2013
2015-03-19 18:00 <RazWelles> nebadon: think I found it :\
2015-03-19 18:00 <nebadon> was the last time it got archived
2015-03-19 18:01 <RazWelles> http://t.co/tyGYPpJeOf
2015-03-19 18:01 <nebadon> however i doubt its changed much since then
2015-03-19 18:01 <RazWelles> Looks like Latif got sick
2015-03-19 18:01 <nebadon> yes he has been sick for some time
2015-03-19 18:01 <nebadon> he pops up now and then
2015-03-19 18:01 <RazWelles> gosh :\
2015-03-19 18:01 <nebadon> as you can see he is here in this channel now
2015-03-19 18:01 <nebadon> but he rarely responds, still on the mend
2015-03-19 18:01 <RazWelles> I sent him a ping in the awgroupies chat but no response, I think he leaves irssi open on a vps like me
2015-03-19 18:02 <nebadon> he may not really ever fully return, i don't know, i sure hope he does but his health is more important for sure
2015-03-19 18:02 <RazWelles> Yeah, I really hope he gets better
2015-03-19 18:03 <nebadon> I am not sure that he actually controlled the openmetaverse.org domain and server
2015-03-19 18:03 <nebadon> im sure he had access, but I am not sure it was his server 
2015-03-19 18:03 <RazWelles> Oh I see
2015-03-19 18:03 <RazWelles> I think the libomv library is fine as it is on github but it really needs that doc
2015-03-19 18:04 <nebadon> someone probably has a copy some where
2015-03-19 18:04 <RazWelles> Yeah, just no idea how to get it
2015-03-19 18:07 <nebadon> the doman name registration is hidden
2015-03-19 18:07 <nebadon> so we cant even really find out who controls it at this point
2015-03-19 18:07 <OtakuMegane> Most registrations are now, unless it's something like .us or just a clueless person
2015-03-19 18:07 <RazWelles> I thought the openmetaversefoundation was tied to #opensim?
2015-03-19 18:08 <RazWelles> OtakuMegane: any chance you have the latest libomv doc/chm?
2015-03-19 18:10 <nebadon> no it is not RazWelles
2015-03-19 18:10 <OtakuMegane> Nope, never messed with that stuff. Google has that front page cached from March 13 though, so it may have other parts too
2015-03-19 18:10 <nebadon> it never was though some of the people crossed over at certain points
2015-03-19 18:10 <MarcusLlewellyn> I presume any CHM was prolly generated with doxygen. Could just run that if you must have one. 
2015-03-19 18:10 <nebadon> those people are all long gone now, just lkalif
2015-03-19 18:11 <RazWelles> I found Feb 2014 installer file
2015-03-19 18:11 <RazWelles> gonna look in there
2015-03-19 18:12 <RazWelles> Yes, there's doc's in that one
2015-03-19 18:12 <OtakuMegane> Putting in various wiki pages into google and they're cached recently so that may help track stuff down
2015-03-19 18:13 <RazWelles> for 0.9
2015-03-19 18:13 <RazWelles> OpenMetaverse.chm as of Feb 24, 2014
2015-03-19 18:13 <RazWelles> I'm gonna push the msi and file to my server for safekeeping
2015-03-19 18:13 <RazWelles> It should be put in the github at some point though
2015-03-19 18:13 <MarcusLlewellyn> The best documentation for libomv is prolly Radegast. 
2015-03-19 18:14 <RazWelles> yeah
2015-03-19 18:14 <RazWelles> but I still really liked the docs
2015-03-19 18:17 <RazWelles> Well.. saved and stashed away, and fingers crossed that lkalif gets better :(
2015-03-19 18:51 <osmantis> Bug #6839:04 HEADS UP: Visual Studio 2012 not supported by prebuild. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6839 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-19 18:54 <Sked> Hi guys
2015-03-19 19:00 <Sked> Can please anyone tell me where can i find Estate Name in db?
2015-03-19 19:05 <Plugh> Sked: There are a set of estate specific tables
2015-03-19 19:05 <Sked> in region db i cannot find it
2015-03-19 19:06 <nebadon> anyone who is interested
2015-03-19 19:06 <nebadon> VWBPE is going on right now on avacon grid
2015-03-19 19:06 <nebadon> http://grid.avacon.org:8002 Rockcliffe University
2015-03-19 19:06 <nebadon> you will need teamspeak to hear the presentations
2015-03-19 19:06 <Sked> o i find it
2015-03-19 19:06 <Sked> tnx Plugh
2015-03-19 19:06 <nebadon> http://vwbpe.org/conference/teamspeak-information
2015-03-19 19:07 <nebadon> http://vwbpe.org/conference/vwbpe-2015-calendar
2015-03-20 00:08 <osmantis> Bug #7508:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast cannot set path cut as small as the viewer can do 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7508 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-20 00:08 <osmantis> Bug #7508:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast cannot set path cut as small as the viewer can do 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7508 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-20 00:08 <osmantis> Bug #7508:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast cannot set path cut as small as the viewer can do 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7508 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-20 05:57 <osmantis> Bug #7420:04 Extreme loading of server with Bulletsim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7420 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-20 12:20 <Wolkenreiter> Hi! Does anyone know if libOMV is still maintained? I've been trying to reach the docs for a couple of days, but the website seems down...
2015-03-20 12:48 <LiruCookies> Wolkenreiter: libOMV was lkalif's project, lkalif said his goodbyes to the internet world months ago, gone to focus on his health.
2015-03-20 12:48 <Wolkenreiter> Yes, I just realized that... it
2015-03-20 12:49 <LiruCookies> He comes back now and then, but only for very short periods.
2015-03-20 12:50 <Wolkenreiter> *It's a shame all technical interest in SL/Metaverse seems to have crumbled away and depends on a few people, now...
2015-03-20 15:27 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region or grey viewer screen and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-20 15:38 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region or grey viewer screen and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-20 18:55 <osmantis> Bug #7509:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams can't set some prim parameters as small as the viewer can 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7509 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-20 18:55 <osmantis> Bug #7509:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams can't set some prim parameters as small as the viewer can 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7509 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007508.
2015-03-20 18:55 <osmantis> Bug #7508:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast cannot set path cut as small as the viewer can do 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7508 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007509.
2015-03-20 19:00 <osmantis> Bug #7509:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams can't set some prim parameters as small as the viewer can 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7509 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-20 19:23 <osmantis> Bug #6977:04 Limit see and chat with avatars of others parcels do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6977 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-20 23:15 <osmantis> Bug #7420:04 Extreme loading of server with Bulletsim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7420 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-21 00:38 <osmantis> Bug #7252:04 Multiple right clicks in viewer causes lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7252 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-03-21 03:52 <osmantis> Bug #7420:04 Extreme loading of server with Bulletsim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7420 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-03-21 07:02 <osmantis> Bug #7420:04 Extreme loading of server with Bulletsim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7420 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-21 07:16 <osmantis> Bug #7252:04 Multiple right clicks in viewer causes lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7252 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-21 07:41 <osmantis> Bug #7252:04 Multiple right clicks in viewer causes lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7252 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-21 11:05 <osmantis> Bug #7252:04 Multiple right clicks in viewer causes lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7252 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-21 13:31 <osmantis> Bug #7393:04 Visitors with high packet latency cause region to experience excessive lag and other performance issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7393 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-21 15:08 <osmantis> Bug #7252:04 Multiple right clicks in viewer causes lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7252 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-21 15:24 <osmantis> Bug #7420:04 Extreme loading of server with Bulletsim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7420 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-21 15:39 <osmantis> Bug #7509:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams can't set some prim parameters as small as the viewer can 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7509 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-21 15:44 <osmantis> Bug #7420:04 Extreme loading of server with Bulletsim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7420 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-21 17:05 <osmantis> Bug #7393:04 Visitors with high packet latency cause region to experience excessive lag and other performance issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7393 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-21 17:43 <osmantis> Bug #7420:04 Extreme loading of server with Bulletsim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7420 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-21 17:46 <Littlefeather> has anyone compiled the firestorm viewer recently?
2015-03-21 18:01 <Littlefeather> trying to build fmodd but get this error http://pastebin.com/gAxdtdgj
2015-03-21 18:58 <osmantis> Bug #7509:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams can't set some prim parameters as small as the viewer can 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7509 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-21 19:02 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-21 19:06 <osmantis> Bug #7106:04 Avatar feets follow terrain instead of the object its walking on. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7106 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-21 19:14 <LiruCookies> Littlefeather: Build FMOD?
2015-03-21 19:14 <LiruCookies> That should come as a package
2015-03-21 19:15 <Littlefeather> i found a precompiled version and ran my own md5 sum on it and added to xml
2015-03-21 19:20 <LiruCookies> precompiled version?
2015-03-21 19:20 <Littlefeather> fmodex is for sound right?
2015-03-21 19:20 <LiruCookies> 
ACTION giggles, "They're still using that, right.."

2015-03-21 19:20 <LiruCookies> Yes, FS uses FMOD Ex
2015-03-21 19:21 <Littlefeather> and they for what ever reason do not support mp3 still
2015-03-21 19:25 <LiruCookies> They don't?
2015-03-21 19:26 <LiruCookies> FMOD Ex includes advanced support for compressed sample formats such as mp2, mp3, ADPCM, CELT, Vorbis and XMA.
2015-03-21 19:26 <LiruCookies> http://www.fmod.org/fmod-ex/
2015-03-21 19:27 <LiruCookies> This is what we at Singularity use: http://www.fmod.org/fmod-studio/
2015-03-21 19:29 <Littlefeather> fs still only allows wav for uploaded sound
2015-03-21 19:30 <LiruCookies> Oh, for uploads?
2015-03-21 19:30 <LiruCookies> FMOD doesn't do uploading
2015-03-21 19:31 <LiruCookies> That's separate.
2015-03-21 19:34 <Littlefeather> oh ok
2015-03-21 19:41 <Littlefeather> is fmod studio a drop in replacement?
2015-03-21 20:27 <LiruCookies> Littlefeather_af: Nope~
2015-03-21 20:40 <osmantis> Bug #7252:04 Multiple right clicks in viewer causes lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7252 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-21 21:08 <osmantis> Bug #7497:04 The create region of the remote admin does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7497 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-21 21:31 <osmantis> Bug #7106:04 Avatar feets follow terrain instead of the object its walking on. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7106 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-21 21:48 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-21 21:56 <Ubit> that avatar floating above ground happens with ode physics ?
2015-03-21 21:57 <Ubit> and/or does it happen using bullet on a normal size region?
2015-03-21 21:58 <nebadon> those pictures are WRight Plaza which is bullet
2015-03-21 21:58 <nebadon> I think it mostly happens on prims/mesh
2015-03-21 21:58 <nebadon> i noticed it a lot at OSCC too
2015-03-21 21:58 <Ubit> ahh i saw it there on terrain i think
2015-03-21 21:58 <nebadon> which was all Bulletsim
2015-03-21 21:58 <nebadon> yea might happen on terrain too
2015-03-21 21:59 <Ubit> feet hmm twist(?) is other issue..  collision plane sent to viewer
2015-03-21 22:06 <dahlia> my feet seem to be close to the surface of a flat prim when I set hover to 49
2015-03-21 22:06 <dahlia> bulletsim
2015-03-21 22:07 <dahlia> terrain more like 48
2015-03-21 22:14 <Trinity93> on sl there has been issues with mesh avatars hovering above the foot bones
2015-03-21 22:15 <Trinity93> so your shows are below your feet on riged stuff
2015-03-21 22:17 <Trinity93> reason i bring this up is it could be viewer related
2015-03-21 22:17 <dahlia> my avatar is the old fashioned kind
2015-03-21 22:17 <dahlia> no mesh
2015-03-21 22:18 <smxy> Luddite. :)
2015-03-21 22:18 <dahlia> :P
2015-03-21 22:18 <dahlia> mesh avatars cant emote :P
2015-03-21 22:18 <Trinity93> actulay
2015-03-21 22:19 <Trinity93> you can use similar tricks wa they used to do with fury avs
2015-03-21 22:19 <Trinity93> like i ment
2015-03-21 22:19 <dahlia> scripted lips?
2015-03-21 22:19 <Trinity93> yea 
2015-03-21 22:19 <dahlia> not pretty
2015-03-21 22:19 <Trinity93> transpreancy 
2015-03-21 22:20 <Trinity93> more than one face mesh
2015-03-21 22:20 <Trinity93> make the one you want to show visable
2015-03-21 22:20 <Trinity93> talking lips 
2015-03-21 22:20 <Trinity93> the whole nine yards
2015-03-21 22:21 <dahlia> that's a pretty kludgey workaround for a crappy mesh implementation
2015-03-21 22:21 <Trinity93> agreed
2015-03-21 22:21 <smxy> We mneed lip bones. :)
2015-03-21 22:21 <smxy> need*
2015-03-21 22:21 <dahlia> or custom skeletons
2015-03-21 22:22 <Trinity93> but OMG if we break SL compatability
2015-03-21 22:22 <Trinity93> :P
2015-03-21 22:23 <Trinity93> the worst prison is the one you create for yourself
2015-03-21 22:23 <dahlia> user expectations
2015-03-21 22:24 <dahlia> mantis is filled with "but SL does it this way"
2015-03-21 22:24 <Trinity93> if they want sl tell them to go back to f#$kin sl
2015-03-21 22:24 <dahlia> lol
2015-03-21 22:25 <smxy> Well, I do think it should do what SL does, and then improve upon that.
2015-03-21 22:26 <dahlia> and everyone who runs a grid wants perfect SL compatibility too, so they can get people from SL ro bring their stuff
2015-03-21 22:26 <dahlia> *to bring
2015-03-21 22:26 <Trinity93> yea but sl does way to many things way horably wrong
2015-03-21 22:26 <dahlia> doesnt matter
2015-03-21 22:27 <Trinity93> and why no one who does profesonal grade stuff takes sl much less opensim seriously
2015-03-21 22:27 <dahlia> ya they use unreal
2015-03-21 22:27 <Trinity93> anyways im gona stop taling now
2015-03-21 22:27 <smxy> Shame we couldn't use the recently released Unreal engine.
2015-03-21 22:28 <Trinity93> all im gona do is get mad if i talka bout it anymore hehe
2015-03-21 22:28 <dahlia> smxy: download it and start creating
2015-03-21 22:28 <smxy> Only if you make yourself mad. You have no control over yourself? :)
2015-03-21 22:29 <smxy> dahlia, if I had even the programming skills of your little pinky, I might, but I don't. :)
2015-03-21 22:29 <dahlia> so use unity then
2015-03-21 22:29 <smxy> I'm a Systems Admin, and a good one. I'm *not* a programmer, beyond the basics.
2015-03-21 22:29 <Trinity93> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L3ZUQUGvxQ i play with this a lot
2015-03-21 22:31 <dahlia> looks like fun
2015-03-21 22:32 <Trinity93> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNgWwvSaTZ0
2015-03-21 22:32 <dahlia> I hack around with urho3d a bit
2015-03-21 22:32 <Trinity93> you can import colida 
2015-03-21 22:33 <Trinity93> and script stuff
2015-03-21 22:33 <dahlia> also do a lot of opengl stuff
2015-03-21 22:33 <Trinity93> build roads and stuff
2015-03-21 22:33 <Trinity93> and if you shoot the ground it craters
2015-03-21 22:33 <dahlia> SL used to do that years ago
2015-03-21 22:33 <dahlia> well not SL but "Linden World"
2015-03-21 22:34 <smxy> The water then was more real.
2015-03-21 22:34 <dahlia> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbxWXbHoJ2g
2015-03-21 22:34 <Trinity93> and all the terain is GIS data based
2015-03-21 22:34 <Trinity93> some one made a gis data set of middle earth for it
2015-03-21 22:38 <Trinity93> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00PgR6g_p4U here is a nother vid tht shows what you can actulay do with it
2015-03-21 22:40 <dahlia> ya fun stuff
2015-03-21 22:40 <dahlia> opensim is all about community tho, not really high tech
2015-03-21 22:54 <Trinity93> the last thing i showed you is part of a project for the us military 
2015-03-21 22:55 <Trinity93> they are using outera to create complex battle simulations and training
2015-03-21 22:55 <Trinity93> basiclay what the moses project was suposed to enable 
2015-03-21 22:56 <Trinity93> but so far hasent realy goten there yet
2015-03-21 22:57 <Trinity93> and i have heard that if the outera thing works well moses might loose its funding
2015-03-21 22:58 <nebadon> that seems unlikely
2015-03-21 22:59 <nebadon> I dont see outerra offering the same kind of experience that opensim does
2015-03-21 23:06 <nebadon> is outerra even opensource?
2015-03-21 23:09 <dahlia> it's obviously a different experience, and probably better suited for some things than others. Likewise for opensim. There's also a lot of other options out there besides those two
2015-03-21 23:09 <dahlia> a *LOT*
2015-03-21 23:09 <nebadon> heh from their FAQ
2015-03-21 23:09 <nebadon> The engine is not ready yet for use by third parties, it has no usable API/SDK yet and it's lacking many tools.
2015-03-21 23:12 <nebadon> yea moses is all about a multi user experience
2015-03-21 23:13 <nebadon> and from what I know, they arent really going anywhere anytime soon
2015-03-21 23:14 <dahlia> I've not been involved with MOSES, I really don't know much about that they do
2015-03-21 23:15 <nebadon> its all research and education
2015-03-21 23:15 <dahlia> and they haven't really been after me to be involved either
2015-03-21 23:15 <nebadon> they seem very in house about most stuff
2015-03-21 23:15 <nebadon> what little I know is through my involvement in Avacon
2015-03-21 23:16 <dahlia> I've chatted with Douglas a few times and know him from SL
2015-03-21 23:16 <nebadon> FCVW was pretty successful by their own account, i expect to see that go on for a few more years at least
2015-03-21 23:17 <dahlia> but yeah... haven't been involved much at all other than small courtesy visits a couple times
2015-03-21 23:17 <dahlia> FCVW?
2015-03-21 23:17 <nebadon> i spent some time helping to optimize the Moses grid
2015-03-21 23:17 <nebadon> Federal Consortium for Virtual Worlds
2015-03-21 23:17 <dahlia> oh
2015-03-21 23:17 <nebadon> http://consortium.militarymetaverse.org/
2015-03-21 23:18 <dahlia> ya but that's more general tho isnt it? not just opensim?
2015-03-21 23:18 <nebadon> this year it was mostly opensim
2015-03-21 23:18 <nebadon> very little was not directly Opensim / Moses
2015-03-21 23:18 <nebadon> and AFRL
2015-03-21 23:18 <dahlia> AFRL?
2015-03-21 23:18 <nebadon> Air Force Research Lab
2015-03-21 23:18 <nebadon> Navy had a really awesome presentation too
2015-03-21 23:18 <nebadon> using opensim
2015-03-21 23:20 <nebadon> they are doing some really awesome stuff with opensim
2015-03-21 23:22 <Ubit> guess mil  do use some games ( but not WoT or WT that are mainly arcade )
2015-03-21 23:23 <Ubit> ages ago a game called harphon or similar was nice for naval simulation around aegis sistems
2015-03-21 23:23 <dahlia> WoT and WT?
2015-03-21 23:23 <Ubit> world of tanks and warthunder
2015-03-21 23:23 <dahlia> I dont usually play war-like games
2015-03-21 23:24 <Ubit> i do now and then .. well i try and fail lol
2015-03-21 23:27 <Ubit> there is a damm lake filled with my light tanks...  i always fail a turn and end up sinking in the water ( or whould be filled if regions wheren't restarted ) :)
2015-03-21 23:27 <dahlia> I always kinda thought part of the magic of SL was collaborative in-world content creation
2015-03-21 23:27 <Ubit> yeap it is
2015-03-21 23:28 <nebadon> I worked on AEGIS for a bit at Lockheed many years ago
2015-03-21 23:28 <dahlia> they made it easy for non-experts
2015-03-21 23:28 <dahlia> AEGIS?
2015-03-21 23:28 <nebadon> missle shield
2015-03-21 23:28 <dahlia> oh
2015-03-21 23:28 <dahlia> I usually tried to avoid anything defense-related
2015-03-21 23:28 <Ubit> or ship weapons full control even multiship
2015-03-21 23:29 <Ubit> from radar and detection to fire control  or well something like that :)
2015-03-21 23:29 <nebadon> yea
2015-03-21 23:29 <nebadon> VLS
2015-03-21 23:29 <nebadon> vertical launch system
2015-03-21 23:30 <dahlia> I worked on digital photography and imaging :)
2015-03-21 23:30 <Ubit> from that game i only remember that the moment we turn on  our radar we are dead :)
2015-03-21 23:31 <dahlia> 
ACTION along with a few others did serious damage to comoanies like Kodak

2015-03-21 23:31 <Ubit> kodak is back no?
2015-03-21 23:31 <dahlia> <.<  >.>
2015-03-21 23:31 <Ubit> well or something  called kodak :)
2015-03-21 23:31 <dahlia> small pieces probably still exist
2015-03-21 23:32 <nebadon> i heard they were making film again
2015-03-21 23:32 <dahlia> heh
2015-03-21 23:32 <dahlia> and vinyl records have a cult following too I hear
2015-03-21 23:33 <Ubit> yeap
2015-03-21 23:33 <Ubit> some djs even produce own vinyl records
2015-03-21 23:33 <nebadon> Kodak is probably a patent treasure trove
2015-03-21 23:34 <dahlia> I think they sold off a lot of patents
2015-03-21 23:34 <nebadon> yea probably
2015-03-21 23:35 <Ubit> electronic tubes are also in use even for low power audio ( ie 50w) 
2015-03-21 23:37 <dahlia> guitar amps?
2015-03-21 23:37 <Ubit> nahh those are distortion generators..  class C or worse :)
2015-03-21 23:37 <Ubit> hifi amps...
2015-03-21 23:38 <Ubit> tubes are superior to transitors in lower distortion and intermodulation etc...
2015-03-21 23:38 <dahlia> ya but the distortion is what they want
2015-03-21 23:38 <Ubit> possible still better than new mosfets etc
2015-03-21 23:39 <dahlia> it has that distinctive sound that they cant reproduce without tubes
2015-03-21 23:39 <Ubit> well bad tube design is also a nice noise generator :)
2015-03-21 23:40 <dahlia> lots of the classic heavy metal sound comes from tubes
2015-03-21 23:40 <nebadon> I watched a video the other day on how tubes are made
2015-03-21 23:40 <nebadon> french video
2015-03-21 23:40 <nebadon> was insanely labor intensive
2015-03-21 23:40 <dahlia> heh ya
2015-03-21 23:40 <Ubit> yeap 
2015-03-21 23:41 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl-QMuUQhVM
2015-03-21 23:42 <Ubit> a lot of high power tubes around..   like on microwave  ovens..  well its a magnetron... a special kind of tube :)
2015-03-21 23:42 <dahlia> radio and television transmitters
2015-03-21 23:42 <dahlia> usually run class c
2015-03-21 23:43 <Ubit> RF usually is class C for efficience
2015-03-21 23:44 <Ubit> except complex  digital modulation, that requires performace typical of class A or AB
2015-03-21 23:45 <Ubit> but now they use new digital modes where transistors are on also on a small portion of time..
2015-03-21 23:45 <Ubit> and use pre correction on the modulation signal to fix the transfer function of the amp
2015-03-21 23:46 <Ubit> hmm nice video :)
2015-03-21 23:46 <nebadon> yea
2015-03-21 23:46 <dahlia> problem with using semiconductors is they operate in unsaturated territory for RF 
2015-03-21 23:46 <nebadon> i was completely mesmerized by that video
2015-03-21 23:46 <dahlia> so they dissapate a lot of power
2015-03-21 23:46 <dahlia> unlike switching applications 
2015-03-21 23:47 <nebadon> never realized how insanely difficult it is to make a tube
2015-03-21 23:47 <dahlia> I think they probably had more automated processes back when tubes were popluar
2015-03-21 23:47 <Ubit> yeap but they now seem to have good signal reprodution need for things like QAM64 etc   operating power transistors full on/off
2015-03-21 23:47 <nebadon> can't even imagine the army's of people that must have been employed to mass produce tubes
2015-03-21 23:48 <dahlia> well maybe not, lots of tube equipment looked pretty labor intensive
2015-03-21 23:48 <nebadon> yea possibly
2015-03-21 23:48 <Ubit> like class D...  now a lot of more letters :)
2015-03-21 23:48 <dahlia> hand wired components and stuff
2015-03-21 23:48 <nebadon> it seems like such a fragile process
2015-03-21 23:48 <Trinity93> ubit you have some experiance with QAM?
2015-03-21 23:48 <nebadon> like stuff a machine just couldnt do, hard t say
2015-03-21 23:49 <Ubit> yeap several things hard to do automaticly
2015-03-21 23:49 <Trinity93> im looking for some one to turn a QPSK system into a QAM one
2015-03-21 23:50 <Ubit> guess its adding levels to I and Q signals... and mk sure system has low amp and phase distortions
2015-03-21 23:51 <Ubit> possible just better to design on from scratch :)
2015-03-21 23:52 <Ubit> but well this aren't exactly os-dev issues lol
2015-03-21 23:52 <Trinity93> Ubit quite a lot of us are into electronics and radio type stuff
2015-03-21 23:52 <dahlia> not like this channel gets a lot of traffic lately
2015-03-21 23:53 <dahlia> I used to be into it but my knowledge has waned over the years.. use it or lose it
2015-03-21 23:53 <Ubit> i do know what u mean dahlia :)
2015-03-21 23:53 <dahlia> used to be pretty good at abusing op-amps
2015-03-21 23:54 <dahlia> :P
2015-03-21 23:54 <Ubit> well those think i can still burn... well if its a active filter or similar :)
2015-03-21 23:54 <Ubit> if it isn't...
2015-03-21 23:54 <nebadon> its ok to have offtopic conversations as long as its not disrupting more important on-topic conversations
2015-03-21 23:55 <Ubit> good uncle google  gives a help now and then :)
2015-03-21 23:55 <dahlia> switching power supplys
2015-03-21 23:55 <dahlia> before they were popluar
2015-03-21 23:55 <dahlia> popular
2015-03-21 23:55 <dahlia> big mosfets :)
2015-03-21 23:55 <Ubit> back them i opened a black carbon hole on my desk..   gave up on them lol
2015-03-21 23:56 <dahlia> lol
2015-03-21 23:56 <Trinity93> nothing says lovin like a cheep chinese switching power supply the gift that keeps on giving to the ham comunity :P
2015-03-21 23:56 <dahlia> ya I blew a few up :)
2015-03-21 23:56 <Ubit> hmm think a mosfet got stucked in ceiling
2015-03-21 23:56 <Ubit> ohh nice radio on the video :)
2015-03-21 23:57 <Ubit> petty AM stations are getting obsolete
2015-03-21 23:57 <Trinity93> only thing worse is a cheep chinese florecent balist
2015-03-21 23:57 <dahlia> it's always fun to drive inductive loads with switching mosfets.... <.<  >.>
2015-03-21 23:57 <Ubit> ( i mean am modulation not the comercial band )
2015-03-21 23:58 <Ubit> well i did switched mode psus .. just never from mains :)
2015-03-21 23:58 <Trinity93> might as well just call them spark gap trasnmiters
2015-03-21 23:58 <Trinity93> and be doe with it
2015-03-21 23:58 <Ubit> they are a must now..
2015-03-21 23:58 <Trinity93> ubit there stillis a few people useing am
2015-03-21 23:59 <dahlia> did a few motor drivers for robotics applications too
2015-03-21 23:59 <dahlia> all PWM switching mosfets
2015-03-21 23:59 <Trinity93> but the ssb guys like to run them off
2015-03-21 23:59 <Trinity93> complaning about how much bandwith they take up
2015-03-21 23:59 <Ubit> yeap but comercial emissions in shortwave etc  moved into digital 
2015-03-22 00:01 <Trinity93> hehe i hardly listen tot he shortwave comercial stuff anymore they are all political and religious nuts now
2015-03-22 00:01 <dahlia> havent they always been?
2015-03-22 00:01 <Trinity93> though some of the religous nutters say some realy wacked out stuff
2015-03-22 00:01 <Ubit> was going to ask the same lol
2015-03-22 00:02 <dahlia> isnt that what shortwave is for? getting one's propaganda across borders?
2015-03-22 00:02 <Trinity93> one time there was this guy going on about satan sending hord of deamon little green men from situs and jeus was gona save us in his spaceship
2015-03-22 00:02 <Trinity93> sirus i ment
2015-03-22 00:03 <Ubit> :)
2015-03-22 00:03 <Ubit> i see those in discovery channel also lol
2015-03-22 00:03 <Trinity93> ya but this guy didnt care about the ratings
2015-03-22 00:03 <Trinity93> :P
2015-03-22 00:04 <dahlia> now they have teh interwebz tho http://www.unarius.org/
2015-03-22 00:05 <Ubit> xii a XY ploter
2015-03-22 00:05 <dahlia> http://www.unarius.org/
2015-03-22 00:06 <dahlia> I know XY plotters :D
2015-03-22 00:06 <Ubit> :)
2015-03-22 00:06 <dahlia> 
ACTION used to work at HP

2015-03-22 00:07 <Ubit> and used to work with a hp one lol
2015-03-22 00:07 <Trinity93> i used to have a hp plotter
2015-03-22 00:07 <dahlia> which is what I was referring to when I mentioned mosfets in robotic applications
2015-03-22 00:07 <Trinity93> those were fun little devices
2015-03-22 00:07 <dahlia> ya
2015-03-22 00:07 <Trinity93> though i probaly never used one as it was ment to be used
2015-03-22 00:08 <Ubit> well except for the fingers dirt with ink :p
2015-03-22 00:08 <dahlia> meant to be used? lol
2015-03-22 00:08 <Trinity93> well i drew line art with it
2015-03-22 00:08 <Trinity93> and made spiralgraphs
2015-03-22 00:08 <dahlia> me too :)
2015-03-22 00:08 <dahlia> along with a lot of other stuff
2015-03-22 00:09 <Trinity93> whats relay fun is those large format ones for blueprints
2015-03-22 00:09 <dahlia> those things had some awesome servo systems in them
2015-03-22 00:10 <dahlia> we also had a cake decorator made from plotter parts ;)
2015-03-22 00:10 <Ubit> :)
2015-03-22 00:11 <Trinity93> got one of the guys at DEC to print out a alpha cpu "etch map" with one
2015-03-22 00:11 <Trinity93> so i could hang it on my wall
2015-03-22 00:11 <dahlia> I designed some of the power circuitry in this one https://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=AwrTcYOUCA5Vwj4AFSWJzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTIyMnNqZXRjBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1nBG9pZANmNDdiYjg0YTczMWJiY2UyM2Q2NzA4MGMzMjhjNGYzNwRncG9zAzEEaXQDYmluZw--?.origin=&back=https%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fyhs%2Fsearch%3Fp%3D7580a%2Bplotter%26fr2%3Dpiv-web%26hsimp%3Dyhs-001%26hspart%3Dmozilla%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D1&w=1024&h=685&imgurl=imgs.inkfrog.com%2Fpix%
2015-03-22 00:11 <dahlia> 2FFuturebusiness%2FDSC_0265.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2FHP-7580A-Wide-Format-8-Pen-Plotter-with-GPIB-Connector-%2F140708154760&size=165.3KB&name=HP+%3Cb%3E7580A%3C%2Fb%3E+Wide+Format+8+Pen+%3Cb%3EPlotter%3C%2Fb%3E+with+GPIB+Connector&p=7580a+plotter&oid=f47bb84a731bbce23d67080c328c4f37&fr2=piv-web&fr=&tt=HP+%3Cb%3E7580A%3C%2Fb%3E+Wide+Format+8+Pen+%3Cb%3EPlotter%3C%2Fb%3E+with+GPIB+Connector&b=0&ni=21&no=1&ts=&tab=organic&
2015-03-22 00:11 <dahlia> sigr=12s0k9l5n&sigb=13k46e9fr&sigi=11g8bjqj2&sigt=1247lriee&sign=1247lriee&.crumb=0fdStqG4JSF&fr2=piv-web&hsimp=yhs-001&hspart=mozilla
2015-03-22 00:11 <dahlia> oops long url
2015-03-22 00:11 <Trinity93> lol
2015-03-22 00:12 <Ubit> yeap 2 long :)
2015-03-22 00:12 <smxy> Every hear of tinyurl? lol
2015-03-22 00:12 <dahlia> http://www.gntrains.com/CanalCar/Images/P02_0221_1725_0056a.jpg
2015-03-22 00:13 <Trinity93> gpib bus sorta like a parralel scsi interface
2015-03-22 00:13 <dahlia> kinda, only 8 bits wide tho
2015-03-22 00:13 <Trinity93> yep
2015-03-22 00:13 <Trinity93> hp would use it for everything back int he day
2015-03-22 00:14 <dahlia> ya and made a mint from the cables too
2015-03-22 00:14 <Ubit> yeap
2015-03-22 00:14 <Ubit> damm expensive :)
2015-03-22 00:14 <Ubit> series 9000  at some point even used it for the disk connection
2015-03-22 00:15 <Trinity93> they even used it for test equipment interconects
2015-03-22 00:15 <Ubit> that was its origin Trinity93
2015-03-22 00:15 <Trinity93> yep
2015-03-22 00:15 <Trinity93> but most of the computer people didnt know that
2015-03-22 00:16 <Ubit> most HP "clever" instruments had gpib
2015-03-22 00:16 <Ubit> and not hp, of course.. have several here
2015-03-22 00:16 <Trinity93> hp mad eok stuff but i prefered techtronix brand
2015-03-22 00:17 <Ubit> but never bother to buy a pc card :)
2015-03-22 00:17 <Ubit> depends on what trinity
2015-03-22 00:17 <Ubit> i may prefer tek osciloscopes and spectrum analisers
2015-03-22 00:17 <Trinity93> ociliscopes and signal generators and analyzers
2015-03-22 00:18 <Ubit> hp multimeter, freq counters etc
2015-03-22 00:18 <Trinity93> i wish i could aford to buy that kinda stuff now
2015-03-22 00:18 <Ubit> well  i got them at ebay :)
2015-03-22 00:18 <Trinity93> but i have to make due with cheep stuff
2015-03-22 00:19 <Ubit> think some things got pretty cheap now..  long time i don't check :)
2015-03-22 00:19 <Trinity93> i see some old used stuff at the ham fests but they still want way to much for it
2015-03-22 00:20 <Ubit> no one wants a analog osciloscope.. prefer a crap digital one  fools :)
2015-03-22 00:20 <Trinity93> i used to have 2 of those relay old wound green screen CRT tecktronics scopes
2015-03-22 00:20 <Trinity93> round i ment
2015-03-22 00:20 <Trinity93> that weights a ton
2015-03-22 00:20 <Ubit> lots a time i need to see a signal on a analog one, bc my cheap digital makes a mess of it
2015-03-22 00:21 <Ubit> i still have 2 7633 tek mainframes 
2015-03-22 00:22 <Trinity93> wen i moved out of MA i sold them to a colector becuse i only had so muh space in the uhaul
2015-03-22 00:22 <Ubit> well i can't move the damm things.. 2 heavy for me now lol
2015-03-22 00:24 <Ubit> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFQSdX1B-ic    hi fi audio
2015-03-22 00:25 <Ubit> or tubes manuf for hi-fi audio..
2015-03-22 00:26 <Ubit> ( a bit more professional manufactur :) )
2015-03-22 00:34 <Ubit> hmm also nice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HgS6gvokEI
2015-03-22 00:36 <Ubit> errr $350000 for a home theater MnItosh system ?? outch
2015-03-22 00:39 <Ubit> bahh has 2 many lights..  don't like it
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2015-03-22 17:36 <osjenkins> * misterblue: viewers can set a minimum distance 0.02 between path cut start and path cut end
2015-03-22 17:37 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Allow setting dimple diff to 0.02 from scripts just like from viewer, add clipping and fix old copy-paste error.
2015-03-22 17:37 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Allow setting holesize to 0.01 from scripts just like from viewer.
2015-03-22 17:37 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Allow setting hollow to 99% from scripts just like from viewer.
2015-03-22 17:37 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Parameterize sleeps in LSL functions.
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2015-03-22 20:18 <dahlia> many of the limits that used to exist for setting prim parameters such as hollow are there because given certain other parameters, opposite facing triangles may overlap and even extend beyond each other. This causes problems with physics and is especially visible with ODE when the avatar gets trapped walking thru such a hollow.
2015-03-22 20:18 <Ubit> i guessed so :)
2015-03-22 20:18 <dahlia> PrimMesher has internel checks to try to prevent any known conditions from happening, but then the collision shape may not match what the viewer sees
2015-03-22 20:19 <Ubit> already comented that with mb dahlia
2015-03-22 20:19 <dahlia> the viewer probably wont allow this to be visible 
2015-03-22 20:19 <dahlia> because of back face culling
2015-03-22 20:19 <dahlia> so the viewer is wrong to relax these limits
2015-03-22 20:21 <Ubit> think they where alreade more tolerant than SL at the time
2015-03-22 20:21 <dahlia> another issue is when you have a triangle hole in a square prim
2015-03-22 20:21 <dahlia> I think the limit there is around 70%
2015-03-22 20:21 <dahlia> so the hole corners dont extend beyind the outer shape
2015-03-22 20:22 <Ubit> but think u added math for that case...
2015-03-22 20:22 <dahlia> in primmesher, yes
2015-03-22 20:24 <Ubit> btw that commit doesn't change primmesh.. so, really is nonop
2015-03-22 20:24 <dahlia> ya, but the collision geometry wont match and people might call it a bug
2015-03-22 20:24 <Ubit> yeap
2015-03-22 20:25 <dahlia> however I will revert any changes I see to primmesher that relax those rules
2015-03-22 20:25 <dahlia> (assuming I see them)
2015-03-22 20:25 <Ubit> :)
2015-03-22 20:27 <Ubit> well one of this days will go check at sl...
2015-03-22 20:27 <dahlia> check llSetPrimitiveParams?
2015-03-22 20:28 <Ubit> hollow limits yes
2015-03-22 20:28 <dahlia> ya I suspect they are there
2015-03-22 20:28 <Ubit> so do i
2015-03-22 20:31 <Ubit> mb does like to dance...  is at lbsa dancing for hours now :)
2015-03-22 20:31 <dahlia> lol
2015-03-22 20:32 <dahlia> I think setting a large cylinder hollow to 99 and then twisting it will probably make a good avatar trap in ODE
2015-03-22 20:32 <Ubit> or a nice crash :p
2015-03-22 20:33 <dahlia> nah it just gets stuck
2015-03-22 20:33 <dahlia> walking inside or outside
2015-03-22 20:33 <misterblue> crashes would be bad and reason to change back
2015-03-22 20:33 <dahlia> primmesher limits it
2015-03-22 20:33 <misterblue> but if jewelery makers need fine control, they should go for it
2015-03-22 20:34 <dahlia> prim jewelry is so last decade
2015-03-22 20:34 <misterblue> seems the mesher has unparameterized checks against getting too small... different than that LSL checks
2015-03-22 20:34 <dahlia> yes
2015-03-22 20:34 <dahlia> because of the reasons I gave a few moments ago
2015-03-22 20:34 <Ubit> we can't let prims get 2 small, and hollow as the adicional issue that triangles my overlap or something
2015-03-22 20:35 <dahlia> prims that are very small dont even get meshed for physics anyway
2015-03-22 20:35 <Ubit> neither we can have walls 2 thin
2015-03-22 20:35 <misterblue> physics just won't do sheets of paper fitting into small cracks in prims
2015-03-22 20:35 <misterblue> I figured it wasn't for physical interactions
2015-03-22 20:35 <dahlia> well there could be visible problems also
2015-03-22 20:36 <dahlia> like if a triangle hollow in a square prim is too large
2015-03-22 20:36 <dahlia> the triangle shape extends beyond the prim shape
2015-03-22 20:36 <dahlia> same for square in cylinder
2015-03-22 20:37 <misterblue> if it looks ugly, people won't do it... or will do it for the effect :)
2015-03-22 20:37 <dahlia> 
ACTION sighs

2015-03-22 20:37 <Ubit> hmm btw mb your bullet torus seem to have hmm lets call them  soft triangles
2015-03-22 20:38 <Ubit> avatar doesn't collide with them
2015-03-22 20:38 <dahlia> a regular torus?
2015-03-22 20:38 <Ubit> yeap
2015-03-22 20:39 <Ubit> well i tested a 64m  size one :)
2015-03-22 20:39 <dahlia> but just a plain torus, default shape?
2015-03-22 20:39 <Ubit> yeap
2015-03-22 20:39 <misterblue> I've been playing with the torus.... the mesher creates it with LOTS of vertices and then the convex huller creates lots and lots of hulls
2015-03-22 20:39 <misterblue> I could see problems with things fitting together
2015-03-22 20:40 <Ubit> well i did fork dahlia primmesh to clean up some  odd triangles ;)   ( dont tell her.. )
2015-03-22 20:40 <dahlia> :P
2015-03-22 20:40 <misterblue> I played a bit with adding the newer and better convex huller... but it's so good it can take minutes to create a good set of hulls :-O
2015-03-22 20:40 <Ubit> before that i did some pre-cleanup before giving to phys
2015-03-22 20:41 <Ubit> :)
2015-03-22 20:41 <dahlia> you use hulls for static colliders?
2015-03-22 20:41 <misterblue> no... static colliders are all plan meshes
2015-03-22 20:41 <misterblue> I don't hull them until they go physical
2015-03-22 20:41 <Ubit> well on day the primmesh can be updated to create convex shapes
2015-03-22 20:42 <Ubit> but thats dependent on the phys lib i guess ( forget ode convex.. doesn't work )
2015-03-22 20:42 <misterblue> I thought about creating a physical shape for a mesh when it was uploaded
2015-03-22 20:42 <misterblue> but that doesn't help cut/twisted prims
2015-03-22 20:42 <dahlia> would probably be easier than making hulls from the mesh
2015-03-22 20:43 <dahlia> anyone ever figure out if hulls actually help?
2015-03-22 20:43 <Ubit> don't know..   ode doesn't have usable convex :)
2015-03-22 20:44 <Ubit> but seems ode doesn't take that longer to collide a mesh then bullet to colide a convex, if both have similar vertices
2015-03-22 20:44 <misterblue> Bullet has GImpact shapes which are non-hulled physical shapes... they are much slower than the hulled shapes
2015-03-22 20:44 <dahlia> I hear they are supposed to be more efficient for collision checking but I just wonder if the difference is significant 
2015-03-22 20:45 <misterblue> but the problem I've seen is mostly that the automatically generated hulls are bad
2015-03-22 20:45 <dahlia> but a static torus should still collide
2015-03-22 20:46 <Ubit> hmm dont remember if a tested a physical or static torus on bullet
2015-03-22 20:46 <Ubit> a non-physical is a mesh in bullet right?
2015-03-22 20:47 <Ubit> btw  doing a hull  how do u handle those scripts that change the thing shape all the time?
2015-03-22 20:48 <dahlia> oh ya a physical one is horroble
2015-03-22 20:48 <Ubit> bird wings.. etc
2015-03-22 20:50 <Ubit> 
ACTION remembers a damm bird that made him wait for hours for a sim crash

2015-03-22 20:51 <dahlia> lol
2015-03-22 20:56 <Ubit> uauu he even dances away
2015-03-22 20:57 <Ubit> hmm well that ava does seem no need that workout :p
2015-03-22 20:57 <dahlia> misterblue: did you ever try stanhull?
2015-03-22 20:58 <Ubit> he is dancing away now dahlia :)
2015-03-22 20:58 <dahlia> lol
2015-03-22 20:58 <misterblue> I don't know of a 'stanhull'
2015-03-22 20:59 <misterblue> for changing shapes, it creates a shape specific hash and caches the hulls... so, for wings, the hull would only be created once
2015-03-22 20:59 <Ubit> ok
2015-03-22 21:02 <dahlia> http://www.bulletphysics.org/Bullet/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=255
2015-03-22 21:04 <Ubit> think bullet, viewers and physX use hack now
2015-03-22 21:06 <dahlia> https://code.google.com/p/stanhull/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk
2015-03-22 21:06 <dahlia> Ubit: use what?
2015-03-22 21:07 <Ubit> well the same lib :)
2015-03-22 21:07 <dahlia> stanhull?
2015-03-22 21:08 <Ubit> nopes hack something
2015-03-22 21:08 <dahlia> havent heard of it
2015-03-22 21:09 <Ubit> mb bc its name is hacd and not hack? :)
2015-03-22 21:11 <Ubit> ( looking to viewers  hack could be a proper name :p )
2015-03-22 21:11 <dahlia> oh hacd is the old one
2015-03-22 21:11 <dahlia> stanhull better
2015-03-22 21:15 <Ubit> ohh that is what is on ConvexDecompositionDotNet
2015-03-22 21:16 <Ubit> i mean the Stan Melax  code, ported to c#
2015-03-22 21:16 <dahlia> oh?
2015-03-22 21:16 <dahlia> not a wrapper?
2015-03-22 21:17 <Ubit> nopes
2015-03-22 21:17 <Ubit> think mb did the port ???
2015-03-22 21:17 <Ubit> hmm not sure
2015-03-22 21:18 <dahlia> c++ primmesher 3-5x faster than c#
2015-03-22 21:18 <Ubit> yeap
2015-03-22 21:19 <Ubit> well im using this slow manage code for now..  was there easy to use :)
2015-03-22 21:20 <misterblue> you're right Ubit, ConvexDecompositionDotNet is a port of Stan's origional work
2015-03-22 21:21 <misterblue> then Khaled Mamou wrote vhacd which is better and is included in the Bullet sources
2015-03-22 21:21 <misterblue> there is an option to use the Bullet HACD library but I've recently found some problems with it
2015-03-22 21:22 <misterblue> I have most recently tried including VHACD2 which uses a voxel approach to making the hulls
2015-03-22 21:22 <misterblue> it is much, much more accurate but can take minutes to compute one hull
2015-03-22 21:22 <Ubit> so u still use ConvexDecompositionDotNet by default?
2015-03-22 21:22 <misterblue> yes
2015-03-22 21:22 <Ubit> seems to work fine
2015-03-22 21:23 <misterblue> well, except for some toruses :-)
2015-03-22 21:23 <Ubit> well i don't do hulls with it :)
2015-03-22 21:23 <dahlia> I have some code floating around to voxelize prims
2015-03-22 21:23 <Ubit> do the oposite :)
2015-03-22 21:24 <dahlia> actually I have code that voxelizes an entire region
2015-03-22 21:24 <Ubit> but guess thats due to some tri-dahlia :)
2015-03-22 21:24 <misterblue> oooo.... I'd like that
2015-03-22 21:25 <Ubit> did u try to filter out  triangles with identical vertices?
2015-03-22 21:25 <misterblue> I was going to do something with some of the point cloud libraries to build single meshes for a region -- some dream about having regions in the distance
2015-03-22 21:26 <Ubit> hmmm  well don't think those show up on normal torus
2015-03-22 21:26 <dahlia> triangles with identical vertices?
2015-03-22 21:26 <Ubit> yeap
2015-03-22 21:26 <dahlia> on a torus?
2015-03-22 21:27 <Ubit> nopes i corrected miself already :)
2015-03-22 21:27 <misterblue> BulletSim checks for degenerate triangles.... used to be sculpty tools that generated them
2015-03-22 21:28 <dahlia> Ive had a few people show me what they did to get rid of extra triangles but it messed up other stuff
2015-03-22 21:29 <dahlia> I'm aware of a couple cases where it makes triangles that shouldnt be there, like in a uncut box it still has the cut faces
2015-03-22 21:29 <Ubit> yeap that was a case
2015-03-22 21:29 <dahlia> but that doesnt hurt physics
2015-03-22 21:30 <Ubit> think away i forked yr code :)
2015-03-22 21:30 <Ubit> away == why
2015-03-22 21:30 <dahlia> the problem is fixing something for physical mode usually breaks something in viewer mode
2015-03-22 21:30 <Ubit> it messes  minimally but more my avatar sitting code
2015-03-22 21:31 <Ubit> i was getting very odd sits inside prims :)
2015-03-22 21:31 <dahlia> well I dont know what your sitting code does
2015-03-22 21:32 <Ubit> sits us +- like sl does on unscript prims  ( or tells you sit elsewehre ) :)
2015-03-22 21:32 <Ubit> well most time does sit u close to where u asked..
2015-03-22 21:32 <Ubit> never been at avn?
2015-03-22 21:32 <dahlia> nope
2015-03-22 21:32 <Ubit> ok
2015-03-22 21:33 <dahlia> I don't usually go to non-HG grids
2015-03-22 21:33 <dahlia> except SL
2015-03-22 21:33 <Ubit> :)
2015-03-22 21:34 <dahlia> I may have an old inworldz account from way back when but I never use it
2015-03-22 21:35 <Ubit> also been there only once
2015-03-22 21:37 <Ubit> curius about physx results... but well once day..
2015-03-22 21:37 <dahlia> physx was crashy with prim content last I tried it with unity
2015-03-22 21:38 <dahlia> but that was a few years ago
2015-03-22 21:38 <Ubit> works ok in WoT
2015-03-22 21:38 <Ubit> well
2015-03-22 21:38 <dahlia> WoT?
2015-03-22 21:38 <Ubit> u already asked that lol :P
2015-03-22 21:39 <dahlia> forgot :)
2015-03-22 21:39 <Ubit> still has things like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXDrxtWtP58
2015-03-22 21:39 <dahlia> ya but that's probably not prim content
2015-03-22 21:40 <dahlia> with gazillions of overlapping triangles
2015-03-22 21:40 <Ubit> its meshs
2015-03-22 21:40 <Ubit> colliders  simpler ones etc
2015-03-22 21:41 <Ubit> always funny to see a 120ton or so  fly like that :)
2015-03-22 21:41 <dahlia> WoT unity?
2015-03-22 21:42 <Ubit> nopes world of tanks
2015-03-22 21:42 <Ubit> based on bigworld code etc
2015-03-22 21:43 <Ubit> but pretty good on most things..
2015-03-22 21:43 <Ubit> ( the tanks movement i mean )
2015-03-22 21:44 <Ubit> but collisions...  problems no matter the lib in use
2015-03-22 21:45 <Ubit> they also have some rocks like mb torus..
2015-03-22 21:45 <Ubit> one can get inside them and fire to outside lol
2015-03-22 21:45 <dahlia> lots of games have glitches like that
2015-03-22 21:46 <dahlia> either a flaw in the collider or just moving so fast it forgets to test
2015-03-22 21:46 <dahlia> Ive seen that in havok based games a lot
2015-03-22 21:46 <Ubit> the jadgtiger and the rock is engines being able to cause interpenetration
2015-03-22 21:47 <dahlia> ODE seemed to have pretty good collisions 
2015-03-22 21:47 <Ubit> the tanks where able to get inside the rock with help of a heavy tank pushing it
2015-03-22 21:47 <dahlia> lol
2015-03-22 21:47 <Ubit> simulated 1000hp engines
2015-03-22 21:49 <Ubit> well if u ignore heighmaps and capsules
2015-03-22 21:49 <dahlia> ODE heightmaps? ya they are terrible
2015-03-22 21:49 <dahlia> I mean mesh objects
2015-03-22 21:50 <Ubit> yeap those seem ok
2015-03-22 21:50 <Ubit> oops im forgetting about dinner as i forgot lunch lol
2015-03-22 21:50 <dahlia> cya
2015-03-22 21:50 <Ubit> going to find food     cya :)
2015-03-23 01:34 <smxy> clear
2015-03-23 13:17 <mheilman> I am having trouble receiving events from the EventManager.OnIncomingInstantMessage handler.  I want my plugin to be Instant Message aware, but while group and offline messaging works, my handler for OnIncomingInstantMessage is never called.  Is this even the correct mechanism for this?
2015-03-23 13:17 <mheilman> *group and offline are working in the region, independently of my plugin
2015-03-23 13:39 <mheilman> nevermind, I see that EventManager.TriggerIncomingInstantMessage is only called from other plugins.  Client instant messages are not available to plugins.
2015-03-23 21:20 <osmantis> Bug #7510:04 Sleep constants scattered in LSL_Api 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7510 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-23 21:24 <osmantis> Bug #7510:04 Constants scattered in LSL_Api 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7510 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-24 01:02 <Littlefeather> is datasnapshot broken again? i set it up but no data in snapshot folder
2015-03-24 01:07 <AliciaRaven> it works ok for me
2015-03-24 01:10 <Littlefeather> this is what i have in my setup http://pastebin.com/GgkkvQTG
2015-03-24 01:11 <AliciaRaven> looks ok other than u have the service to register listed twice, once with the old method and once with the new
2015-03-24 01:12 <AliciaRaven> i dont think it creates the snapshot untill its called by parser.php (ossearch) have u run that
2015-03-24 01:12 <Littlefeather> yes
2015-03-24 01:13 <Littlefeather> ahh there it is
2015-03-24 01:13 <AliciaRaven> worked?
2015-03-24 01:15 <Littlefeather> yes its there chron was set to high
2015-03-24 01:15 <Littlefeather> do you yous search module?
2015-03-24 01:15 <AliciaRaven> ours is based on ossearch, but i changed it quite abit
2015-03-24 01:16 <Littlefeather> yah im trying to use ossearch not any results and apache shows now access releated to it in its logs
2015-03-24 01:17 <AliciaRaven> any errors in apache?
2015-03-24 01:18 <Littlefeather> nope none that i can find
2015-03-24 01:18 <Littlefeather> my uri is SearchURL = http://www.andromedagrid.com/apps/search/query.php
2015-03-24 01:18 <AliciaRaven> i think u need to change data_exposure to all
2015-03-24 01:18 <AliciaRaven> without that no parcel data is indexed
2015-03-24 01:20 <Littlefeather> there is data in parcel table
2015-03-24 01:20 <AliciaRaven> i had to set it to all for some reason, i cant remember tho
2015-03-24 01:20 <Littlefeather> do i need to tell robust about search?
2015-03-24 01:22 <AliciaRaven> no
2015-03-24 01:22 <AliciaRaven> robust only needs a URI for websearcg page if u created one to send to viewers with grid info
2015-03-24 01:23 <Littlefeather> i am running a debug proxy and do not even see the viewer trying to send data to the query.php
2015-03-24 01:28 <AliciaRaven> its the sim that contacts query.php not the viewer
2015-03-24 01:29 <Littlefeather> ok and i also do not see in opensim.log that it even loaded the search module
2015-03-24 01:31 <AliciaRaven> your SearchURL is under the heading [Search] in opensim.ini?
2015-03-24 01:33 <Littlefeather> yes
2015-03-24 01:33 <AliciaRaven> the opensim log should have an entry on startup...
2015-03-24 01:33 <AliciaRaven> OpenSimSearch.Modules.OpenSearch.OpenSearchModule [SEARCH] OpenSimSearch module is active
2015-03-24 01:34 <Littlefeather> nope all i see is basic search module active
2015-03-24 01:35 <Littlefeather> BASIC SEARCH MODULE]: BasicSearchModule is enabled
2015-03-24 01:35 <AliciaRaven> do u compile opensim from source?
2015-03-24 01:36 <AliciaRaven> ifso, is opensimsearch code in the addon-modules directory to be compiled with opensim
2015-03-24 01:37 <Littlefeather> ill try that
2015-03-24 01:38 <AliciaRaven> check the bin directory for the ossearch dll file, its called OpenSimSearch.Modules.dll
2015-03-24 01:38 <Littlefeather> i tried to use the precompile dll
2015-03-24 01:39 <AliciaRaven> since the mono addins changes it may not work
2015-03-24 01:39 <Littlefeather> so it should work if i compile?
2015-03-24 01:39 <Littlefeather> wow its larger when i compiled it
2015-03-24 01:40 <AliciaRaven> yes, or give a warning so u know its not compatible, in which case u can change to code to make it work with the new system
2015-03-24 01:43 <Littlefeather> think this is the issue? [assembly: AddinDependency("OpenSim", "0.5")]
2015-03-24 01:44 <AliciaRaven> yep
2015-03-24 01:45 <AliciaRaven> [assembly: Addin("OpenSimSearch", OpenSim.VersionInfo.VersionNumber + ".1")]
2015-03-24 01:45 <AliciaRaven> [assembly: AddinDependency("OpenSim.Region.Framework", OpenSim.VersionInfo.VersionNumber)]
2015-03-24 01:45 <Littlefeather> can i just remove that line?
2015-03-24 01:45 <AliciaRaven> no
2015-03-24 01:45 <AliciaRaven> remove it and add the 2 lines i posted above
2015-03-24 01:48 <Littlefeather> ok recompiling
2015-03-24 01:50 <Littlefeather> ahh there it is its now active
2015-03-24 01:50 <Littlefeather> thank you
2015-03-24 01:50 <AliciaRaven> np
2015-03-24 01:52 <Littlefeather> PHP Fatal error:  Call to undefined function xmlrpc_server_create()
2015-03-24 01:52 <AliciaRaven> apt-get install php5-xmlrpc
2015-03-24 01:52 <AliciaRaven> if your working on linux that is
2015-03-24 01:53 <AliciaRaven> replace apt-get with what every package manager your distro uses
2015-03-24 01:53 <Littlefeather> yup just did that lol forgot that i never installed it
2015-03-24 01:54 <Littlefeather> now i ge results
2015-03-24 03:40 <NickyP> which grids have upload fees in place? other than avination 
2015-03-24 03:44 <AliciaRaven> none that i know of, usualy it keeps people away if they do
2015-03-24 04:23 <NickyP> AliciaRaven: great so I think I can get out of the solution looking for a problem mode.
2015-03-24 14:33 <osmantis> Bug #6769:04 HG friends issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6769 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-24 17:08 <smxy> .
2015-03-24 17:47 <osmantis> Bug #7510:04 Constants scattered in LSL_Api 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7510 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-03-25 02:41 <notskittles> hi! does anyone know how i would get a patch into libomv?
2015-03-25 02:42 <Plugh> Submit a bug report to their bug tracking system and attach the patch file to the report.
2015-03-25 02:42 <nebadon> hmm
2015-03-25 02:42 <nebadon> the whole libomv website still down?
2015-03-25 02:43 <Plugh> hey, nebadon
2015-03-25 02:43 <notskittles> yeah, seems to be.
2015-03-25 02:43 <nebadon> if it is submit a mantis on http://opensimulator.org/mantis
2015-03-25 02:43 <nebadon> attach the patch
2015-03-25 02:43 <nebadon> its likely we will have to take over libomv
2015-03-25 02:43 <Plugh> I'm seeing something really odd. I'm trying to update a script in an object in a grid and I get the message about not enough space on the disk.
2015-03-25 02:43 <notskittles> jira.openmetaverse.org is coming up blank too.
2015-03-25 02:43 <nebadon> yea I think its totally dead now
2015-03-25 02:44 <nebadon> no one seems to know who controls it
2015-03-25 02:44 <nebadon> we have access to github repository though
2015-03-25 02:44 <nebadon> so we can continue development there
2015-03-25 02:44 <nebadon> I think bluewall and justincc have access
2015-03-25 02:45 <nebadon> worst case we have to fork it into a new github project
2015-03-25 02:46 <nebadon> shame no one said anything and just let it go
2015-03-25 02:46 <Plugh> The domain is protected via privacy so whois doesn't show the real contact info
2015-03-25 02:46 <nebadon> the domain name registration info is hidden
2015-03-25 02:46 <nebadon> yea
2015-03-25 02:46 <notskittles> I think it may have been latif, fwiw.
2015-03-25 02:46 <nebadon> I think he had access
2015-03-25 02:46 <nebadon> but i dont think it was his server
2015-03-25 02:46 <nebadon> or his domain name
2015-03-25 02:47 <nebadon> his site is still up
2015-03-25 02:47 <nebadon> for replex and radegast
2015-03-25 02:47 <nebadon> so i cant image he would just let libomv go if it was his
2015-03-25 02:48 <notskittles> radegast was using the same bug tracker as omv, so who knows.
2015-03-25 02:48 <notskittles> points to the dead site if you click Issues.
2015-03-25 02:48 <nebadon> yea that was because openmetevaerse has the atlasssian license i think
2015-03-25 02:49 <notskittles> right
2015-03-25 02:49 <nebadon> osgrid had bug tracker there at one point too
2015-03-25 02:50 <notskittles> trying to add the AppearanceHover packet to libomv so i can add it to opensim.
2015-03-25 02:52 <Plugh> Does 0.8.1 include the fix(es) that stop a viewer from crashing when TPing from a var to a non-var?
2015-03-25 02:53 <nebadon> dahlia can you commit patches to libomv?
2015-03-25 02:53 <nebadon> hmm not sure Plugh
2015-03-25 02:53 <dahlia> nebadon: nope
2015-03-25 02:53 <nebadon> ok
2015-03-25 02:53 <dahlia> maybe justin
2015-03-25 02:54 <nebadon> yea he does
2015-03-25 02:54 <nebadon> I think bluewall does too maybe
2015-03-25 02:55 <Plugh> nebadon: ok. I'll just have to try it out and find out. I hope it does.
2015-03-25 02:55 <dahlia> I should, Ivw given them loads of patches
2015-03-25 02:55 <dahlia> but nope
2015-03-25 02:55 <notskittles> other than the tabs that xamarian studio keeps forcing on me, does this look ok? https://bitbucket.org/snippets/alchemyviewer/yqyq
2015-03-25 02:55 <nebadon> misterblue does too maybe
2015-03-25 02:58 <Plugh> Really weird. This time I was able to recompile the scripts in an object and didn't get the "out of disk space" error.
2015-03-25 03:38 <misterblue> not me, i never had access to libomv... would just submit patches
2015-03-25 03:51 <dahlia> there's a few quaternion bugs in libomv that I plan to fix someday and submit a patch but it's way low on my list
2015-03-25 04:49 <smxy> "Someday" is notorious for never arriving.
2015-03-25 04:53 <dahlia> why you need it?
2015-03-25 05:02 <smxy> My only point is that things put off for "someday", typically don't happen. It's a well-known phenomenon. 
2015-03-25 05:02 <smxy> We all suffer from the malady.
2015-03-25 05:03 <smxy> I'm about to start typing with my forehead. Time for bed.
2015-03-25 05:03 <dahlia> well in the open source spirit, I guess whoever needs it can fix it when they need it and submit a patch :)
2015-03-25 13:28 <Trinity93> hmm just got a masive mono security update in ubuntu 
2015-03-25 13:31 <Trinity93> version 3.2.8  is what i have installed 
2015-03-25 13:31 <AliciaRaven> same here
2015-03-25 13:32 <AliciaRaven> i had 3.2.6 and it upgraded to 3.2.8
2015-03-25 13:32 <AliciaRaven> 200+ updates
2015-03-25 13:32 <Trinity93> yea
2015-03-25 13:33 <AllenKerensky> you might take a look at mono-project's own repositories
2015-03-25 13:34 <AllenKerensky> rather than wait for your distribution's packagers
2015-03-25 13:34 <AliciaRaven> yea its on my todo list to upgrade it myself
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2015-03-25 18:17 <osmantis> Bug #7510:04 Constants scattered in LSL_Api 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7510 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-25 20:42 <Ar3s> Hello everyone... anyone alive who has some info on the XMPP code inside opensim ?
2015-03-25 20:44 <dahlia> Ar3s: I'm pretty sure that code is ancient cruft and likely doesn't function at all
2015-03-25 20:44 <Ar3s> yes i figured that lol :D
2015-03-25 20:45 <Ar3s> well uhm
2015-03-25 20:45 <Ar3s> there isn't anything planned on XMPP compatible stuff ?
2015-03-25 20:45 <dahlia> probably not by any current developers
2015-03-25 20:46 <Ar3s> i've been testing some stuff, implemented an open source XMPP dll and trying to tie it to the chat, but not with the best of luck so far :-)
2015-03-25 20:47 <dahlia> at one time SL was looking at using XMPP for group chat and I was experimenting with it, but I did it in a proxy. I think the stuff in OpenSim may have been something IBM was doing but not sure
2015-03-25 20:47 <Ar3s> xmpp is speaking chinese for me, with the stamina crap and all sorts
2015-03-25 20:47 <Ar3s> but anyhow... it would be nice to have a xmpp compatible chat system... even for normal client2client chat
2015-03-25 20:48 <dahlia> probably wouldnt be difficult to get this working again http://forge.opensimulator.org/gf/project/jabberimproxy/
2015-03-25 20:48 <Ar3s> xmpp is widely used, loads of android/ios apps for it, so would be nice to offer it to the end user
2015-03-25 20:49 <dahlia> sorry but I have no current interest in XMPP 
2015-03-25 20:49 <Ar3s> hm yes i've looked at that project a few years ago... might be interesting to look at it again, with the things i've learned recently
2015-03-25 20:52 <Ar3s> now another question... but it's more a uhm .net/mono question i think, if you can't or don't want to answer, thats fine :-) i have a addon module in dev that simulates a computer system from star trek... think i might have told you before.. i'm using the function Util.fireandforget allot... so basicaly starting a thread that executes very low priority things and "stop" it
2015-03-25 20:52 <Ar3s> does that have any infuence i need to keep in mind ?
2015-03-25 20:52 <Ar3s> influence*
2015-03-25 20:53 <dahlia> probably :)
2015-03-25 20:53 <Ar3s> the module communicates with an xmlrpc backend... when i have things inside the module that need to contact that backend, i use a new thread
2015-03-25 20:53 <dahlia> OpenSim is heavily threaded and little has been done to try to use threads in a overall planned manner
2015-03-25 20:54 <dahlia> often threadpools become exhausted
2015-03-25 20:54 <Ar3s> so uhm i've looked at the scriptengine module
2015-03-25 20:54 <Ar3s> maybe it's better to use that idea ?
2015-03-25 20:55 <Ar3s> have 1 new thread, keep it alive to process any xmlrpc backend crap ?
2015-03-25 20:55 <dahlia> probably 
2015-03-25 20:55 <Ar3s> like the scripting module which processes commands
2015-03-25 20:55 <dahlia> or personally I would avoid a thread and probably poll on heartbeat
2015-03-25 20:56 <Ar3s> heartbeat is 2500 ms right ?
2015-03-25 20:56 <dahlia> I think there is an EventManager event for heartbeat somewhere
2015-03-25 20:56 <Ar3s> yep idd
2015-03-25 20:56 <dahlia> no I think it's 11/second
2015-03-25 20:57 <Ar3s> oh
2015-03-25 20:57 <Ar3s> thats allot
2015-03-25 20:57 <dahlia> there is way too much threaded IO now and it's already causing a lot of problems
2015-03-25 20:57 <dahlia> so avoid if possible
2015-03-25 20:58 <Ar3s> yeah i was wondering, since i have only tested it with 2 clients on the sim lol
2015-03-25 20:58 <Ar3s> and that doesn't give any trouble... but better be sure then notice when going live :-)
2015-03-25 20:58 <Ar3s> lol
2015-03-25 20:58 <dahlia> :)
2015-03-25 20:59 <dahlia> well Im afk, good luck :)
2015-03-25 20:59 <Ar3s> tnx, you too :D haha
2015-03-25 22:31 <Littlefeather__> in the old opensim you could set an option for web based profiles how do you do that in 8.1?
2015-03-25 23:44 <Ar3s> hm instead of XMPP, maybe MQTT is better :/
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2015-03-26 08:55 <osmantis> Bug #7512:04 llCastRay does not use target avatar rotation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7512 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-26 08:56 <osmantis> Bug #7512:04 llCastRay does not use target avatar rotation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7512 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-26 18:39 <osmantis> Bug #7513:04 Objects and Terrain from adjacent Regions not fully rezzed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7513 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-26 18:42 <osmantis> Bug #7513:04 Objects and Terrain from adjacent Regions not fully rezzed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7513 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-26 18:46 <osmantis> Bug #7513:04 Objects and Terrain from adjacent Regions not fully rezzed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7513 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-26 23:13 <osmantis> Bug #7514:04 Can't rez items from OSGrid on my own grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7514 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2015-03-27 01:41 <osmantis> Bug #7514:04 Can't rez items from OSGrid on my own grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7514 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-27 01:42 <osmantis> Bug #7425:04 Map search sometimes only returns one match even though there may be many matches. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7425 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-27 01:42 <osmantis> Bug #7425:04 Map search sometimes only returns one match even though there may be many matches. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7425 ): has been CLOSED
2015-03-27 01:45 <osmantis> Bug #7252:04 Multiple right clicks in viewer causes lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7252 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-27 01:46 <Ar3s> Howdy :-)
2015-03-27 01:46 <Ar3s> Anyone know if the HTTP/2 would be interesting for opensim ?
2015-03-27 01:50 <osmantis> Bug #7514:04 Can't rez items from OSGrid on my own grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7514 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-27 01:51 <nebadon> would be interesting Ar3s, however it would also require viewer changes
2015-03-27 01:51 <nebadon> I would say too thought that HTTP/2 is too new to start thinking about it yet
2015-03-27 01:51 <dahlia> Ar3s: I'd imagine if google starts using it then it might be worth considering
2015-03-27 01:51 <nebadon> who knows how that protocol will change
2015-03-27 01:52 <dahlia> (IF they start using it)
2015-03-27 01:52 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-27 01:52 <nebadon> it didnt sound very complete last i read about it
2015-03-27 01:52 <dahlia> google throws a lot of crap out there that never gets used and then they abandon it
2015-03-27 01:53 <nebadon> there tends to be a lot of hype too around all these fancy new things that never seems to quite live up to what it should be
2015-03-27 01:54 <nebadon> alot of these things get invented soley to keep people employed
2015-03-27 01:54 <nebadon> lol
2015-03-27 01:54 <nebadon> not to actually improve anything
2015-03-27 01:54 <dahlia> or get them promoted
2015-03-27 01:54 <nebadon> its y2k
2015-03-27 01:55 <nebadon> lol
2015-03-27 01:56 <nebadon> like html5 was supposed to be the "flash killer"
2015-03-27 01:56 <dahlia> well html5 is doing well
2015-03-27 01:56 <nebadon> yea, but I think ultimately it didnt live up to the hype
2015-03-27 01:56 <nebadon> not that its bad
2015-03-27 01:57 <dahlia> naw, its just too many jerks out there who wont stop using flash
2015-03-27 01:57 <nebadon> I like flash :P
2015-03-27 01:57 <dahlia> I dont :P
2015-03-27 01:57 <nebadon> well I should be more specific
2015-03-27 01:57 <nebadon> i liked how easy it was to make cross platform flash content
2015-03-27 01:57 <nebadon> unlike html
2015-03-27 01:57 <nebadon> where i basically have to adapt my code for 8000 platforms
2015-03-27 01:58 <nebadon> with flash it was make once, deploy once
2015-03-27 01:58 <nebadon> works everywhere
2015-03-27 01:58 <nebadon> there was a lot of bad stuff about flash though
2015-03-27 01:58 <dahlia> I have how often I get "Shockwave Flash has Crashed" dialogs that pop up
2015-03-27 01:58 <dahlia> *hate
2015-03-27 01:58 <nebadon> yea
2015-03-27 01:58 <nebadon> HTML5 and CSS3 are hardly universal across browsers
2015-03-27 01:59 <nebadon> and that is what i absolutely hate about it
2015-03-27 01:59 <dahlia> watch youtube
2015-03-27 02:01 <nebadon> HTTP/2 does have some stuff that sounds good though
2015-03-27 02:01 <dahlia> anyway it's not good to just grab any protocol that seems popular or hyped because the interwebz are kinda fussy about what they let thru, *especially* corporate firewalls
2015-03-27 02:01 <nebadon> yea
2015-03-27 02:01 <nebadon> better to use tried and true protocols
2015-03-27 02:01 <nebadon> bleeding edge leads to big pools of blood
2015-03-27 02:03 <nebadon> is there currently even anyway to test HTTP/2 yet?
2015-03-27 02:04 <dahlia> maybe chrome
2015-03-27 02:04 <AllenKerensky> HTTP/2? maybe after we all go IPv6...
2015-03-27 02:04 <dahlia> or custom chromium build
2015-03-27 02:05 <nebadon> I asked cox and comcast reps about ipv6
2015-03-27 02:05 <AllenKerensky> oh HTTP/2 is the new name for SPDY?
2015-03-27 02:05 <nebadon> and it sounds like they have no intention of pushing ipv6 to homes anytime soon
2015-03-27 02:05 <AllenKerensky> so - everyone has to change to save google 2% on its traffic fees
2015-03-27 02:05 <nebadon> just their backbones will use it
2015-03-27 02:05 <nebadon> most of their modems dont actually support ipv6
2015-03-27 02:05 <dahlia> some minion at google will say "I haz new cuul protocol" and vint cerf says "but I iz the protocol gawd, go away"
2015-03-27 02:06 <AllenKerensky> well, at least IETF seems to be involved earlier than before... maybe the usual W3C clown car on fire can be avoided
2015-03-27 02:06 <nebadon> hehe
2015-03-27 02:06 <dahlia> IETF lets anyone in
2015-03-27 02:07 <AllenKerensky> sure they do - that's how TCP/IP beat OSI heh ... if W3C had been in charge then - we'd all be trying to get OSI and ISIS to work lol
2015-03-27 02:07 <AllenKerensky> used to be - you made something that worked - IETF made you write it down halfway implementable - everyone made 90% compatible versions - we moved on
2015-03-27 02:07 <dahlia> I remember ISO/OSI
2015-03-27 02:07 <dahlia> and MAP
2015-03-27 02:07 <AllenKerensky> then W3C came along and tried to "fix" the mess lol
2015-03-27 02:08 <dahlia> IETF is open organization
2015-03-27 02:08 <dahlia> anyone can propose a spec
2015-03-27 02:10 <dahlia> their standards are not high https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt
2015-03-27 02:11 <AllenKerensky> yeah I love that one
2015-03-27 02:11 <AllenKerensky> did you know - it actually got implemented?
2015-03-27 02:11 <dahlia> haha
2015-03-27 02:11 <AllenKerensky> anyway the april fools RFCs like "night before startup" are classics
2015-03-27 02:12 <AllenKerensky> a quick read over HTTP/2 features - it looks like its SPDY without the total google taste
2015-03-27 02:12 <AllenKerensky> even the mighty goog is going to switch chrome to it
2015-03-27 02:12 <dahlia> there was another google proposed protocol that used udp for web
2015-03-27 02:13 <dahlia> cant remember name now
2015-03-27 02:13 <AllenKerensky> its streaming, bi-directional, and a political battle over encrypted only is underway
2015-03-27 02:13 <dahlia> theres a few others also that allow better voice/video
2015-03-27 02:13 <AllenKerensky> the one-bi-directional-pipe thing covers my major gripe about HTTP's "stateless" aka "half duplex" lifestyle
2015-03-27 02:13 <nebadon> https://h2duo.cloudapp.net/Mux
2015-03-27 02:15 <dahlia> left one loads faster for me
2015-03-27 02:15 <AllenKerensky> yeah most updated browsers have some support already
2015-03-27 02:15 <AllenKerensky> https://http2.akamai.com/
2015-03-27 02:15 <dahlia> anyway sl/opensim dont even exploit the current capability of http 1
2015-03-27 02:15 <nebadon> that microsoft one doesnt seem to work in Firefox 36 on linux
2015-03-27 02:15 <dahlia> you can have persistant connections and stack requests
2015-03-27 02:15 <nebadon> and its highly unimpressive in chrome
2015-03-27 02:16 <dahlia> works on my ff on windows
2015-03-27 02:16 <AllenKerensky> well, as usual - it comes down to someone to do the work of bolting it on
2015-03-27 02:16 <nebadon> heh that one you sent works though AllenKerensky
2015-03-27 02:16 <nebadon> but i get a bunch of missing tiles on the HTTP/2 one
2015-03-27 02:16 <dahlia> I dont think the viewers do the requests properly
2015-03-27 02:16 <nebadon> 5 missing tiles
2015-03-27 02:17 <nebadon> 3rd refresh they all loaded
2015-03-27 02:17 <nebadon> probably cached at that point though
2015-03-27 02:17 <AllenKerensky> boogs
2015-03-27 02:18 <AllenKerensky> neat - I hit those HTTP/2 demos - and now my firewall is dropping TONS of port 80 stuff sent back at me
2015-03-27 02:19 <Ar3s> hm i missed allot of text lol
2015-03-27 02:19 <nebadon> 1.76s vs 1.10s
2015-03-27 02:19 <nebadon> hardly seems like rewritting the world for that
2015-03-27 02:19 <nebadon> lol
2015-03-27 02:19 <Ar3s> i have the apache module spdy in use atm
2015-03-27 02:19 <Ar3s> on our sites
2015-03-27 02:19 <Ar3s> but uhm
2015-03-27 02:19 <Ar3s> it sucks
2015-03-27 02:19 <Ar3s> :p
2015-03-27 02:19 <Ar3s> new updates in chrome and its gone lmao
2015-03-27 02:20 <Ar3s> chrome needs atleast spdy/3
2015-03-27 02:20 <Ar3s> and the apache spdy module only goes to spdy/2
2015-03-27 02:20 <Ar3s> so keep trying track :-)
2015-03-27 02:20 <AllenKerensky> likely won't get it since chrome is shifting to http/2
2015-03-27 02:21 <AllenKerensky> I know people have been unhappy with the HTTP core in OpenSim for a while
2015-03-27 02:21 <AllenKerensky> maybe HTTP/2 is finally enough excuse to change that
2015-03-27 02:21 <Ar3s> well if http/2 is actualy released, and i believe it isn't yet.. or am i behind ?
2015-03-27 02:21 <AllenKerensky> looks like its just landed
2015-03-27 02:21 <Ar3s> then i do believe its time to start yelling at the viewer devs
2015-03-27 02:21 <AllenKerensky> patches are better than yelling...
2015-03-27 02:22 <Ar3s> lol :)
2015-03-27 02:22 <nebadon> i love how the text is laced with things like "Will Typically load faster" and "are likely to improve"
2015-03-27 02:22 <nebadon> real definitive 
2015-03-27 02:23 <AllenKerensky> marketing fairy dust at its finest
2015-03-27 02:23 <Ar3s> uhm damn
2015-03-27 02:23 <Ar3s> good that this irc program has timestamp
2015-03-27 02:23 <Ar3s> i need sleep
2015-03-27 02:24 <nebadon> 
ACTION googles "sleep"

2015-03-27 02:24 <AllenKerensky> its pronounced llSleep() neb
2015-03-27 02:24 <nebadon> haha
2015-03-27 02:24 <Ar3s> osSleep() no ?
2015-03-27 02:25 <Ar3s> i'll need to invent cpuSleep()
2015-03-27 02:25 <Ar3s> :p
2015-03-27 02:25 <Ar3s> keeps on spinning
2015-03-27 02:25 <AllenKerensky> osWaitForInterestingConvo()
2015-03-27 02:26 <Ar3s> osYawn()
2015-03-27 02:26 <Ar3s> :)
2015-03-27 02:26 <Ar3s> haha
2015-03-27 02:26 <Ar3s> while()
2015-03-27 02:26 <Ar3s> NULL
2015-03-27 02:26 <Ar3s> :)
2015-03-27 02:26 <Ar3s> http/2 is interisting
2015-03-27 02:26 <Ar3s> but
2015-03-27 02:26 <Ar3s> yeah
2015-03-27 02:27 <Ar3s> opensim <-> sl <-> viewers
2015-03-27 02:27 <nebadon> if comcast and verizon werent such douche bags and stopped trying to throttle the world
2015-03-27 02:27 <nebadon> we wouldnt need things like http/2
2015-03-27 02:27 <AllenKerensky> well if people want HTTP/2 - it looks like everyone will be going to nginx soon
2015-03-27 02:27 <nebadon> if everyone had gigabit fiber
2015-03-27 02:27 <nebadon> who the hell cares
2015-03-27 02:28 <Ar3s> i have 2gbit fibre
2015-03-27 02:28 <AllenKerensky> MS is not talking much about HTTP/2 support in .NyET/C# - but Win10 IIS will support it
2015-03-27 02:28 <Ar3s> well uhm its capped at 2gbit
2015-03-27 02:28 <AllenKerensky> so putting an HTTP/2 proxy in front of OpenSim might be the simplest migration path
2015-03-27 02:28 <Ar3s> haproxy
2015-03-27 02:29 <Ar3s> :)
2015-03-27 02:29 <AllenKerensky> and nginx that OSgrid uses is expected to put an HTTP/2 module together this year
2015-03-27 02:29 <nebadon> 
ACTION straps a twin turbo on his pinto

2015-03-27 02:29 <AllenKerensky> put some NOS on that baby too neb
2015-03-27 02:29 <AllenKerensky> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/28613529/http-2-http2-or-spdy-on-net
2015-03-27 02:30 <AllenKerensky> thanks to whoever brought that up - was my "learn new things" for today
2015-03-27 02:31 <Ar3s> well honestly
2015-03-27 02:32 <Ar3s> with the mod spdy alone, when it was working on my apache
2015-03-27 02:32 <Ar3s> its a major change in speed
2015-03-27 02:33 <nebadon> yea im mostly joking, there is likely potential there, but I think its too soon to start trying to adapt it into stuff like opensim
2015-03-27 02:33 <AllenKerensky> yeah the proxy interim approach at least allows for migrate at your own pace better than "everyone rip out libs and upgrade today" trendiness
2015-03-27 02:34 <nebadon> once all the web browsers decide on the final implementation and its way more tested
2015-03-27 02:34 <Ar3s> in the beginning, and specialy difficult for opensim, it will be update after update
2015-03-27 02:34 <nebadon> ya
2015-03-27 02:34 <nebadon> we made that mistake with mesh
2015-03-27 02:34 <nebadon> jumping on LL's first implementation of mesh
2015-03-27 02:34 <Ar3s> spdy/1 and spdy/3.1 are a few months difference
2015-03-27 02:34 <Ar3s> lol
2015-03-27 02:34 <nebadon> only to have them completely dump it and start over a few weeks later
2015-03-27 02:35 <nebadon> we ended up with a ton of useless mesh objects
2015-03-27 02:36 <nebadon> and i guess the ultimate question is what peices of opensim could actually benefit from what http/2 offers
2015-03-27 02:36 <nebadon> texture loading? Inventory?
2015-03-27 02:37 <Ar3s> yeah assets in general
2015-03-27 02:37 <Ar3s> but i believe
2015-03-27 02:37 <Ar3s> not sure, i'm a beginner
2015-03-27 02:37 <Ar3s> assetserver<->opensim would also benefit from http/2
2015-03-27 02:38 <Ar3s> oh
2015-03-27 02:38 <Ar3s> one thing
2015-03-27 02:38 <Ar3s> i forgot
2015-03-27 02:39 <Ar3s> pain in the butt... https
2015-03-27 02:39 <nebadon> right
2015-03-27 02:39 <nebadon> sounds like its https only
2015-03-27 02:39 <Ar3s> idd
2015-03-27 02:39 <nebadon> or maybe i misunderstood that
2015-03-27 02:39 <AllenKerensky> its not
2015-03-27 02:39 <Ar3s> nope it's correct
2015-03-27 02:39 <AllenKerensky> but some devs are pushing for it to be
2015-03-27 02:39 <Ar3s> browsers can be adapted with a start param
2015-03-27 02:40 <Ar3s> but who is going to use that as enduser
2015-03-27 02:40 <Ar3s> :p
2015-03-27 02:40 <AllenKerensky> HTTP/2 is defined for both HTTP URIs (for now in the clear) and for HTTPS URIs (over TLS, where TLS 1.2 or newer is required)
2015-03-27 02:40 <nebadon> ok cause i read this
2015-03-27 02:40 <nebadon> HTTP/2 implementations require https and are likely to improve https performance - a common concern for those contemplating the move to TLS
2015-03-27 02:40 <Ar3s> tls npn
2015-03-27 02:40 <Ar3s> or anpn
2015-03-27 02:40 <AllenKerensky> https://http2.github.io/http2-spec/#TLSUsage
2015-03-27 02:41 <Ar3s> jep i had to update all my servs to atleast openssl 1.0.1j
2015-03-27 02:42 <AllenKerensky> well, openssl had some many holes this year - keep updating it...
2015-03-27 02:42 <Ar3s> idd
2015-03-27 02:42 <Ar3s> i'm at 1.0.2 i believe
2015-03-27 02:44 <Ar3s> that new version of npn is alpn
2015-03-27 02:44 <Ar3s> not anpn lol
2015-03-27 02:44 <Ar3s> all that pn
2015-03-27 02:44 <Ar3s> now i need sleep!
2015-03-27 02:45 <nebadon> alrighty, nice chat, i should try to get some rest myself
2015-03-27 02:45 <Ar3s> good night everyone, once its time :-)
2015-03-27 15:20 <osmantis> Bug #7515:04 both the OpenSim32BitLaunch.exe and the Robust.32BitLaunch.exe files are corrupte and cannot be used 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7515 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-27 17:53 <osmantis> Bug #7514:04 Can't rez items from OSGrid on my own grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7514 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-27 18:13 <osmantis> Bug #7516:04 Added information  -  on not rez issue. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7516 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-27 18:45 <osmantis> Bug #7514:04 Can't rez items from OSGrid on my own grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7514 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-27 19:50 <littlefeather_q> how do you get scripts to restart when the region is finishing restarting?
2015-03-27 19:50 <AllenKerensky> if Xengine is enabled in OpenSim.ini they should as far as I know
2015-03-27 19:51 <littlefeather_q> xengine is enabled but i have to manualy reset scripts and on_rez will not reset them ether
2015-03-27 19:57 <nebadon> scripts should start up automatically
2015-03-27 19:59 <AliciaRaven> do you mean restart or reset?
2015-03-27 19:59 <AliciaRaven> http://www.spellscape.co.uk/resources/scripts/project?id=5100c352-a919-4332-9c0b-fc91ab5d1f45
2015-03-27 20:00 <littlefeather_q> i want to do llResetScript(); after the region has finished booting
2015-03-27 20:00 <AliciaRaven> that is example of reset, think it works in opensim
2015-03-27 20:00 <nebadon> there is an event for that
2015-03-27 20:02 <nebadon> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/CHANGED_REGION_START
2015-03-27 20:03 <nebadon> ah ya same as AliciaRavens
2015-03-27 20:03 <littlefeather_q> ok ty i am trying it now
2015-03-27 20:03 <AliciaRaven> also the region shouts a message on channel -800, but that means extra overhead of a listener
2015-03-27 20:08 <AllenKerensky> to use the regionready, you need to make sure its enabled in OpenSim.ini - look for the RegionReady configuration block
2015-03-27 20:10 <littlefeather_q> changed block did not work it is not running the code on region resarts
2015-03-27 20:13 <littlefeather_q> unless the issue is that the region server will not do llRequesturl on startup
2015-03-27 20:14 <AliciaRaven> could be unimplemented or bug maybe, i havnt tested it in opensim
2015-03-27 20:14 <AliciaRaven> try having it set the prim color in the change event, see if it changes
2015-03-27 20:16 <littlefeather_q> ok i am going to try that
2015-03-27 20:19 <littlefeather_q> did not change color
2015-03-27 20:25 <AliciaRaven> u will need to listen for the region ready notice then
2015-03-27 20:26 <AliciaRaven> i think its sent on channel -800
2015-03-27 20:29 <AliciaRaven> yes its channel -800 and is enabled by default
2015-03-27 20:29 <littlefeather_q> yes it is
2015-03-27 20:38 <littlefeather_q> ok changed region start works on a diffrent region thats on the same opensim instance
2015-03-28 05:34 <Littlefeather> think there is a masive issue with opensim on linux
2015-03-28 05:34 <Littlefeather> Got a SIGABRT while executing native code. This usually indicates
2015-03-28 05:34 <Littlefeather> a fatal error in the mono runtime or one of the native libraries
2015-03-28 05:34 <Littlefeather> used by your application.
2015-03-28 05:36 <Littlefeather> how do i solve this?
2015-03-28 05:42 <osmantis> Bug #7252:04 Multiple right clicks in viewer causes lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7252 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-28 06:29 <Littlefeather> anyone know why opensim is getting sigabrt?
2015-03-28 07:39 <Littlefeather> anyone currently on?
2015-03-28 12:05 <nebadon> Littlefeather would need more specifics, maybe pastebin log file
2015-03-28 12:06 <nebadon> what version of mono? what operating system
2015-03-28 13:47 <osmantis> Bug #7515:04 both the OpenSim32BitLaunch.exe and the Robust.32BitLaunch.exe files are corrupte and cannot be used on Windows platform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7515 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-03-28 14:06 <osmantis> Bug #7252:04 Multiple right clicks in viewer causes lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7252 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-28 14:17 <H-H-H> can anyone point me in the direction of the openmetaverse repo that opensim uses please, i have found a few but none seem to match the dll,s that opensim ships with
2015-03-28 14:23 <nebadon> H-H-H > https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse
2015-03-28 14:23 <nebadon> that is the main libomv repo now
2015-03-28 14:25 <nebadon> well its official openmetavers.org is gone forever
2015-03-28 14:25 <nebadon> http://openmetaverse.org/
2015-03-28 14:25 <nebadon> some other company snagged it up
2015-03-28 14:26 <nebadon> I love web design companies who's websites look like shit
2015-03-28 14:27 <misterblue> loosing the domain is a bummer
2015-03-28 14:29 <nebadon> yea I have no idea who even owned it
2015-03-28 14:29 <nebadon> we should probably decide if we are going to officially take it over
2015-03-28 14:29 <nebadon> and maybe setup some kind of page
2015-03-28 14:30 <nebadon> like libomv.opensimultaor.org
2015-03-28 14:30 <nebadon> or something
2015-03-28 14:30 <nebadon> probably best to leave it hosted on github though
2015-03-28 14:30 <nebadon> do you have commit access on github for it misterblue?
2015-03-28 14:30 <nebadon> I think Justin and maybe bluewall does
2015-03-28 14:31 <nebadon> no idea if anyone else does
2015-03-28 14:31 <misterblue> I don't... Mic did I think
2015-03-28 14:31 <nebadon> he isnt listed as a contributor on github
2015-03-28 14:31 <nebadon> you are for 1 patch though
2015-03-28 14:31 <nebadon> thats why i was wondering
2015-03-28 14:32 <misterblue> latest commit was by justin so he must
2015-03-28 14:32 <nebadon> shame though all the docs for it are gone
2015-03-28 14:32 <nebadon> i tried scouring the web for them
2015-03-28 14:32 <nebadon> cant find anything
2015-03-28 14:33 <misterblue> diva is also a committer
2015-03-28 14:33 <nebadon> yea I just wonder if anyone has administrator rights to that project though
2015-03-28 14:33 <nebadon> if not its dead
2015-03-28 14:33 <nebadon> we would need to fork it and start a new project
2015-03-28 14:33 <misterblue> maybe lkalif will pop by sometime and we can get a dump of his server <fingers-crossed-emoticon/>
2015-03-28 14:34 <nebadon> im not even sure it was his server
2015-03-28 14:34 <nebadon> but maybe he has backups
2015-03-28 14:42 <osmantis> Bug #7513:04 Objects and Terrain from adjacent Regions not fully rezzed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7513 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-28 14:44 <misterblue> sheesh... two factor authentication is a pain... curse you people who have made the internets such a pain
2015-03-28 14:50 <H-H-H> thanks nebadon is that definately the one opensim uses as when built the openmetaverse.dll file size is different to that which ships with opensim
2015-03-28 14:50 <H-H-H> only by .1 of a mb but its different
2015-03-28 14:55 <nebadon> could maybe be how your compiling it
2015-03-28 14:56 <nebadon> if i recall it has to be compiled on windows
2015-03-28 14:56 <nebadon> diva_ maybe remembers how
2015-03-28 14:56 <nebadon> misterblue do you recall?
2015-03-28 14:56 <nebadon> if not email Justincc
2015-03-28 14:57 <misterblue> I don't
2015-03-28 15:00 <H-H-H> im building and using it on 32bit linux
2015-03-28 15:00 <H-H-H> probly why :)
2015-03-28 15:01 <misterblue> 32bit needs to die (says someone who has to build multiple versions of libraries and keep up the old environments to do same)
2015-03-28 15:03 <nebadon> i agree
2015-03-28 15:03 <nebadon> H-H-H i recall there being problems with libomv being built on linux
2015-03-28 15:04 <nebadon> well with mono i should say
2015-03-28 15:04 <nebadon> I cant recall exactly what the problem is though
2015-03-28 15:04 <H-H-H> seems to be ok for me 
2015-03-28 15:04 <nebadon> possibly, dahlia, BlueWall or diva_ would know, if not Justin will know for sure
2015-03-28 15:04 <nebadon> yea I dont think it was anything super obvious
2015-03-28 15:04 <nebadon> so you might not immediately notice any problems
2015-03-28 15:05 <H-H-H> definately hink opensim should adopt it and maintain a repo :)
2015-03-28 15:07 <nebadon> I dont think we have any choice at this point
2015-03-28 15:07 <nebadon> someone needs to maintain it
2015-03-28 15:07 <BeyBar> Does the "OpenMetaverse Foundation" still exist in some form?
2015-03-28 15:07 <nebadon> no
2015-03-28 15:07 <nebadon> the last vestiges of it disappeared with the website
2015-03-28 15:08 <nebadon> the only remaining thing now is the Github page, and the soon to disappear google code page
2015-03-28 15:09 <BeyBar> At https://who.is/whois/openmetaverse.org I still see the old registrant info pointing to one Christian Westbrook in San Francisco.
2015-03-28 15:09 <nebadon> and I dont know if anyone has administrator level access to the github page
2015-03-28 15:09 <nebadon> must just not be updated
2015-03-28 15:09 <nebadon> seems like some web design company took over the page
2015-03-28 15:10 <BeyBar> They are hiding behind Domains By Proxy
2015-03-28 15:10 <BeyBar> But "Melbourne" rings a bell...
2015-03-28 15:10 <nebadon> i dont even see Christrian Westbrook ther at all
2015-03-28 15:10 <BeyBar> Registrant Contact Information:
2015-03-28 15:10 <BeyBar>      Name: Christian Westbrook
2015-03-28 15:10 <BeyBar>      Organization: OpenMetaverse Foundation
2015-03-28 15:10 <BeyBar>      Address 1: 1606 Stockton
2015-03-28 15:10 <BeyBar>      Address 2: 3rd Floor
2015-03-28 15:10 <BeyBar>      City: San Francisco
2015-03-28 15:10 <BeyBar>      State: California
2015-03-28 15:10 <BeyBar>      Zip: 94133
2015-03-28 15:10 <BeyBar>      Country: US
2015-03-28 15:10 <BeyBar>      Phone: +1.7139064211
2015-03-28 15:10 <BeyBar>      Email: Email Masking Image@openmv.org
2015-03-28 15:10 <nebadon> i dont see that
2015-03-28 15:11 <nebadon> Christian hasnt been around in years
2015-03-28 15:11 <nebadon> im thinking last time i spoke to him was like 5-6 years ago
2015-03-28 15:12 <BeyBar> That data is  old. "Updated OnJanuary 26, 2010" o.O
2015-03-28 15:12 <nebadon> the only person who probably has access to github is lkalif 
2015-03-28 15:12 <nebadon> as an admin
2015-03-28 15:12 <misterblue> I think Melborne is the company that does the Yahoo domain service
2015-03-28 15:13 <nebadon> small chance justin does though
2015-03-28 15:14 <misterblue> or the ownership of the whole OpenMetaverse Foundation github repository
2015-03-28 15:15 <BeyBar> I'm pretty sure that's Melbourne as in Australia. The domain is registered through GoDaddy.
2015-03-28 15:16 <misterblue> I talked to Hurliman a few weeks ago...
2015-03-28 15:16 <BeyBar> And who do we know in Australia who used to be involved in OpenSim development? :P
2015-03-28 15:19 <diva_> we use limov that's in the github repo
2015-03-28 15:21 <misterblue> OpenSimulator could have its own github account to hold opensim and an 'official' fork of libomv
2015-03-28 15:21 <misterblue> and any other github projects we rely on
2015-03-28 15:38 <BeyBar> Looking at the libopenmetaverse repo, it doesn't look like there has been any real information loss. For a moment I worried about the docs, but they seem to be generated from source.
2015-03-28 20:23 <osmantis> Bug #6707:04 Attachments don't receive collision events when an avatar collides with something 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6707 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-03-28 22:25 <smxy> nebadon: ping
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2015-03-28 22:59 <nebadon> hey smxy
2015-03-28 23:01 <smxy> Oh hey nebadon
2015-03-28 23:01 <smxy> I'm driving myself insane and hoping you can help me.
2015-03-28 23:01 <smxy> To not succeed. :)
2015-03-28 23:01 <smxy> At driving myself insane.
2015-03-28 23:02 <nebadon> lol
2015-03-28 23:02 <nebadon> whats up
2015-03-28 23:03 <smxy> I've created a nice terrain for my 1024 var region. I want to bring it into Blender, to convert it to mesh so I can then also cut the middle out of it and make it a surround for a 256x256 region. But when I import the heightmap of the region, I can't get Blender to create anything that resembles the in-world terain. 
2015-03-28 23:04 <nebadon> hmm yea
2015-03-28 23:04 <nebadon> 1 sec
2015-03-28 23:04 <nebadon> you need to use the displace modifier
2015-03-28 23:05 <nebadon> and upload the heightmap texture into your blender project
2015-03-28 23:05 <smxy> I've been following tutorials that have me importing the image as a plane.
2015-03-28 23:05 <nebadon> then select that texture for the modifier
2015-03-28 23:05 <smxy> yes
2015-03-28 23:05 <nebadon> you need to make sure the plane is subdivided enough
2015-03-28 23:06 <smxy> I'm doing that. It creates horrendous terrain. For one thing, it's upside down. For another, even if I play with the strength, it barely has any relation to the in-world terrain. It also massively screws up the edge of the terrain.
2015-03-28 23:06 <nebadon> its been a while since ive done this
2015-03-28 23:06 <smxy> All the tutorials say to subdivide it to the same number of pixels, ,imus 2, so 1022.
2015-03-28 23:07 <nebadon> 1022 wouldnt be correct
2015-03-28 23:07 <nebadon> it would be 1024
2015-03-28 23:07 <smxy> It horribly stair-steps the terrain it does create.
2015-03-28 23:07 <nebadon> yea
2015-03-28 23:07 <nebadon> thats pretty typical
2015-03-28 23:07 <smxy> Basically, it's upside down and looks like shit.
2015-03-28 23:07 <nebadon> you might need to gausian blur the texture a bit
2015-03-28 23:08 <nebadon> in photoshop or gimp
2015-03-28 23:08 <nebadon> there is probably a better way to do this hmm
2015-03-28 23:08 <smxy> The image makes the terrain just the way I waint, in-world. If I blur it, that's going to change how it looks.
2015-03-28 23:09 <smxy> I just want to create an exact mesh replica of my in-world terrain.
2015-03-28 23:09 <nebadon> http://johnflower.org/tutorial/make-mountains-blender-height-maps
2015-03-28 23:09 <smxy> yup, did that
2015-03-28 23:09 <smxy> their mountain looks fine
2015-03-28 23:09 <nebadon> the texture needs to be greyscale
2015-03-28 23:09 <smxy> My terrain looks like crap
2015-03-28 23:10 <smxy> It os
2015-03-28 23:10 <nebadon> that could be part of the problem
2015-03-28 23:10 <nebadon> you sure?
2015-03-28 23:10 <nebadon> you sure its not 16bit RGB
2015-03-28 23:10 <nebadon> it needs to be 256 grey
2015-03-28 23:11 <smxy> Yes. I've been using either the heightmap I designed in L3DT or the png exported at the simulator command line.
2015-03-28 23:11 <smxy> Bothe are greyscale.
2015-03-28 23:11 <smxy> They create really nice in-world terrain. But not in Blender.
2015-03-28 23:12 <smxy> Actually, from L3DT I made a bmp - OpenSim didn't like the png, as it was 16bit 
2015-03-28 23:13 <smxy> But the bmp went in fine and I saved it out again as a png
2015-03-28 23:18 <nebadon> yea i recall having similar problem myself
2015-03-28 23:18 <nebadon> im not sure I ever fully resolved it
2015-03-28 23:19 <smxy> I have the image open in gimp. is there a way to verify it's the right file type?
2015-03-28 23:19 <nebadon> its likely something to do with the format of the texture itself
2015-03-28 23:19 <nebadon> hmm gimp let me look, i mostly use photoshop 7
2015-03-28 23:19 <smxy> Not going to use subscibe-ware.
2015-03-28 23:20 <smxy> subscribe-ware*
2015-03-28 23:20 <nebadon> photoshop 7 is aincent
2015-03-28 23:20 <nebadon> its from 2001
2015-03-28 23:20 <nebadon> lol
2015-03-28 23:21 <nebadon> on the menu
2015-03-28 23:21 <nebadon> Image > Image Properties
2015-03-28 23:21 <nebadon> Color Space
2015-03-28 23:22 <smxy> RGB color for the png saved at the sim command line.
2015-03-28 23:23 <nebadon> on that mountain tutorial i showed you
2015-03-28 23:23 <nebadon> the png example they give is RGB
2015-03-28 23:23 <nebadon> so maybe i have it backwards
2015-03-28 23:24 <smxy> The bmp I saved from L3DT is greyscale, according to gimp.
2015-03-28 23:24 <nebadon> maybe try displace with the RGB?
2015-03-28 23:25 <smxy> That's what I was doing. And yeah, I tried the bmp too and it wasn't any better.
2015-03-28 23:25 <nebadon> one thing about that mountain tut
2015-03-28 23:25 <nebadon> is the texture is very high rez
2015-03-28 23:25 <nebadon> 2400x2400
2015-03-28 23:25 <nebadon> and they are doing it into a 300 subdivide
2015-03-28 23:26 <nebadon> so maybe the trick is not going too high with the subdivide
2015-03-28 23:26 <nebadon> to be honest I am not sure I ever got around this myself
2015-03-28 23:26 <nebadon> we ended up making custom software that does all this for us
2015-03-28 23:26 <nebadon> we dont use blender
2015-03-28 23:27 <smxy> Yes, well, the rest of us don't have that custom software.
2015-03-28 23:27 <nebadon> there must be a way, that mountain tutorial doesnt have that effect
2015-03-28 23:28 <nebadon> its very smooth
2015-03-28 23:28 <smxy> I did that tutorial and it came out just the way it does in their pictures.
2015-03-28 23:28 <nebadon> using their texture or yours?
2015-03-28 23:29 <smxy> Theirs.
2015-03-28 23:29 <nebadon> if you follow it exactly the same with yours?
2015-03-28 23:29 <nebadon> don't adjust anything
2015-03-28 23:29 <nebadon> do same subdivide and everything
2015-03-28 23:29 <smxy> Then, doing the same thing, but using mine, I got something that very vaguely looked like mine and upside down. I mean VERY vaguely.
2015-03-28 23:32 <smxy> I tried exporting it as a dae, but when I tried to upload it, firestorm said it was bad as it was missing required LOD info.
2015-03-28 23:35 <nebadon> in blender
2015-03-28 23:35 <nebadon> select the object and ctrl+a
2015-03-28 23:35 <nebadon> and apply rotation and scale
2015-03-28 23:35 <nebadon> then export it again
2015-03-28 23:35 <nebadon> that should resolve that
2015-03-28 23:35 <nebadon> scale needs to be 1.0
2015-03-28 23:35 <nebadon> or that can happen
2015-03-28 23:37 <smxy> One of the other tutorials said to scale it up to the region size. same number of blender usints as meters.
2015-03-28 23:37 <smxy> so I made it 1024x1024x130
2015-03-28 23:37 <smxy> units*
2015-03-28 23:37 <nebadon> thats why it didnt import
2015-03-28 23:37 <nebadon> because you scaled it
2015-03-28 23:38 <nebadon> and didnt apply scale
2015-03-28 23:38 <nebadon> thats what ctrl+a does
2015-03-28 23:38 <nebadon> it will pop up a little menu, select rotation and scale
2015-03-28 23:41 <smxy> First, I've just converted it to greyscale. Image -> Mode -> Greyscale, then saved it out. Now I'll try their tutorial again and ONLY what they say, and try to export and load it, just to see what I get.
2015-03-28 23:42 <smxy> Gimme a moment. :)
2015-03-28 23:46 <smxy> okay, just doing what they say, it won't upload, same problem. Gonig to try what you said.
2015-03-28 23:48 <smxy> I did control-a and selected rotation and scale from the menu. No what?
2015-03-28 23:48 <smxy> Now*
2015-03-28 23:49 <smxy> On the right, I see scale is 1 for all axis and rotation is 0.
2015-03-28 23:52 <nebadon> yea thats it
2015-03-28 23:52 <nebadon> just export it now
2015-03-28 23:54 <smxy> still says it's missing the LOD info
2015-03-28 23:54 <nebadon> did you apply the modifier?
2015-03-28 23:54 <smxy> I did rotate it too, so it was right-side up.
2015-03-28 23:54 <nebadon> on export check the apply modifiers checkbox
2015-03-28 23:54 <nebadon> only other thing i can think
2015-03-28 23:55 <smxy> I did apply the modifier. Do I need to apply the rotation and scale somehow?
2015-03-28 23:55 <smxy> hmm
2015-03-28 23:55 <nebadon> only with ctrl+a
2015-03-28 23:55 <smxy> perhaps I should check export to SL/OpenSim :)
2015-03-28 23:56 <nebadon> thats only for rigged objects
2015-03-28 23:56 <smxy> ah
2015-03-28 23:57 <smxy> still missing LOD
2015-03-28 23:57 <nebadon> hmm
2015-03-28 23:58 <nebadon> usually the ctrl+a fixes that
2015-03-28 23:58 <smxy> Maybe FS is being a paim. Let me try Sing.
2015-03-28 23:59 <smxy> pain*
2015-03-28 23:59 <nebadon> what version of blender are you using?
2015-03-28 23:59 <smxy> 2.73a on the Mac.
2015-03-29 00:00 <nebadon> another thing i do with models i get from architects that are from archicad or some other arch type software
2015-03-29 00:00 <nebadon> i import it into blender
2015-03-29 00:00 <nebadon> clean it up
2015-03-29 00:00 <nebadon> export it as .3ds
2015-03-29 00:00 <nebadon> then import that .3ds back into blender
2015-03-29 00:00 <nebadon> then export that to collada
2015-03-29 00:00 <nebadon> when the ctrl+a doesnt work
2015-03-29 00:01 <nebadon> ive never had this happen though with something created 100% in blender
2015-03-29 00:03 <smxy> Sing does the same thing.
2015-03-29 00:03 <smxy> grr
2015-03-29 00:06 <smxy> I did the export/import/export thing you described. Same.
2015-03-29 00:21 <nebadon> wierd
2015-03-29 00:33 <smxy> Nothing I do changes it. It's always miss the required level of detail, so won't upload.
2015-03-29 00:33 <smxy> missing*
2015-03-29 16:22 <osmantis> Bug #5800:04 State changes are not immediate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5800 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006960.
2015-03-29 16:22 <osmantis> Bug #6960:04 state_entry() can be executed multiple times for a single state transition 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6960 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0005800.
2015-03-29 16:23 <osmantis> Bug #5800:04 State changes are not immediate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5800 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-29 16:24 <osmantis> Bug #5800:04 State changes are not immediate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5800 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-03-29 16:27 <CrasherRob> (Relationship noted while looking through change logs.)
2015-03-29 16:27 <osmantis> Bug #7517:04 Region Deregistering At Startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7517 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-30 09:24 <dahlia> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXiifFBHj5g
2015-03-30 09:58 <AliciaRaven> cant sleep?
2015-03-30 10:02 <dahlia> need relaxing background sound for coding :)
2015-03-30 10:05 <AliciaRaven> good idea :)
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2015-03-30 13:04 <smxy> If I have set "NonPhysicalPrimMax = 1024" in my region file, why can't I resize something bigger than 256x256?
2015-03-30 13:05 <AllenKerensky> smxy could be a viewer limit - some have that
2015-03-30 13:05 <smxy> Hmm.
2015-03-30 13:05 <AllenKerensky> you might be able to find the word "limit" in the viewer debug settings
2015-03-30 13:06 <AllenKerensky> and see if you can find a settable...
2015-03-30 13:06 <AllenKerensky> there may also be built in limits to the size of the data fields in the prim data itself that you're bumping up again
2015-03-30 13:08 <smxy> One of my regions has a sculpty sim surround that is 1024x1024. I believe it to have been copybotted, so Im making a mesh version. I can't seem to size it above 256x256.
2015-03-30 13:09 <smxy> debug settings don't show any petinent settings with "limit" in their name.
2015-03-30 13:09 <smxy> pertinent*
2015-03-30 13:12 <AllenKerensky> well we'll just have to see if someone knows more/where to look
2015-03-30 13:21 <smxy> Hopefully. There obviously has to be a way to do it, since the sculpty is that big. Just have to figure out how. :)
2015-03-30 13:23 <smxy> I'm wondering if it has to do with the size and scal in Blender, before I export it, as when I go to upload it into OpenSim, it won't let me scale it up and then I can't make it bigger than 256x256 once it's in-world.
2015-03-30 13:23 <smxy> scale*
2015-03-30 13:52 <jakdaniels> smxy: does ClampPrimSize = False in your Regions.ini help at all?
2015-03-30 14:06 <kyle_brynner> smxy: with Singularity, go to Grid Manager > Advanced (or preferences  > Grids > Advanced), deselect “Rendering compatibility” and restart the viewer. This should work.
2015-03-30 14:29 <osmantis> Bug #7518:04 Opensium 0.8.1 [Const] section incomplete and makes it partly useless 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7518 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-30 15:27 <smxy> jakdaniels: I'll try that, but thought it defaulted to that.
2015-03-30 15:27 <smxy> kyle_brynner: I'll try that.
2015-03-30 22:17 <smxy> jakdaniels_: That didn't help.
2015-03-30 22:18 <smxy> kyle_brynner: That did help. Once I resized it and took it, with Singularity, I had no trouble rezzing it with Firestorm. Sweet. Thanks!
2015-03-31 02:09 <dahlia> ray traced :D http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/render01.jpg  (no textures yet)
2015-03-31 02:13 <nebadon> nice
2015-03-31 02:13 <nebadon> is that just still renders?
2015-03-31 02:16 <dahlia> lol yes
2015-03-31 02:16 <dahlia> minutes per frame
2015-03-31 02:16 <dahlia> will make a nice maptile renderer tho :)
2015-03-31 02:41 <dahlia> http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/render02.jpg
2015-03-31 02:42 <nebadon> thats really cool
2015-03-31 02:48 <dahlia> gonna try a 8192x8192 and see if it blows up
2015-03-31 02:54 <dahlia> http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/render02big.jpg
2015-03-31 05:22 <dahlia> http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/raytracedMaptile.jpg
2015-03-31 05:23 <AliciaRaven> dahlia thats better than warp3d, is it a personal project or could it be added to core?
2015-03-31 05:24 <dahlia> AliciaRaven: it's a bot, so probably wont go in core. I may stick it on github later
2015-03-31 05:25 <AliciaRaven> thats cool, bots are the way maps should be done
2015-03-31 05:26 <dahlia> raytracing is a little heavy for a simulator lol
2015-03-31 05:27 <AliciaRaven> yea lol, i like warps results, but the memory leak is a pain
2015-03-31 13:22 <osmantis> Bug #7518:04 Opensium 0.8.1 [Const] section incomplete and makes it partly useless 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-31 13:37 <nebadon> I wonder will we have to do anything special to accommodate this > https://joyardley.wordpress.com/2015/03/29/mesh-upload-with-no-limit-to-amount-of-faces-coming-soon/
2015-03-31 14:56 <jakdaniels_> the mesh just gets split up and re-linked into many meshes of 8 faces I think
2015-03-31 14:57 <jakdaniels_> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Project_Importer/3.7.25.298441
2015-03-31 15:26 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-31 15:50 <osmantis> Bug #7520:04 [PATCH] UserProfilePicks saves pick location as parcel owner name instead of parcel name 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7520 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-03-31 15:50 <osmantis> Bug #7520:04 [PATCH] UserProfilePicks saves pick location as parcel owner name instead of parcel name 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7520 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-03-31 15:58 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-03-31 18:00 <nebadon> Meeting time on Wright Plaza if anyone is coming
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2015-04-01 18:52 <RiRa> Testing offlineIM, it seems to get saved in the database. but when i login i get a red .net error on the console "System.Xml.XmlException: Root element is missing." and lot's of more code. anybody idea whats wrong ?
2015-04-01 18:55 <RiRa> [LLCLIENTVIEW]: Caught exception while processing OpenMetaverse.Packets.RetrieveInstantMessagesPacket for 
2015-04-01 19:10 <dahlia> RiRa: I think that message usually means it was trying to parse some xml but there was nothing in the xml to parse
2015-04-01 19:11 <RiRa> dahlia ,Intressting becasue the xml looked fine and i did read the message in the database
2015-04-01 19:11 <dahlia> dunno
2015-04-01 19:12 <RiRa> puzzled to. btw the other direction is failing complete. but cannotc heck database on that grid. (only go check my ini there) think i try it from 3rd grid
2015-04-01 19:23 <RiRa> Ok. something on my side wrong. but uhmm what. if there's no bug in v2 ..
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2015-04-01 20:07 <dahlia> https://com.google/
2015-04-01 20:08 <nebadon> haha nice dahlia
2015-04-01 21:55 <Littlefeather> can you use llgiveinventory to send item to a diffrent grid?
2015-04-01 22:13 <dahlia> Littlefeather: I'd *guess* that you could probably use it to give to someone from another grid if other functions will work for that receipient, such as llKey2Name(). Probably will only work if they are currently in the same region
2015-04-01 22:13 <dahlia> but try it and let us know :)
2015-04-02 03:31 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-02 03:40 <osmantis> Bug #7518:04 Opensium 0.8.1 [Const] section incomplete and makes it partly useless 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-02 11:13 <osmantis> Bug #7518:04 Opensium 0.8.1 [Const] section incomplete and makes it partly useless 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-02 11:16 <osmantis> Bug #7521:04 Severe console message spam when avi with voice enabled is in parcel with voice disabled but region has voice 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7521 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-04-02 11:17 <osmantis> Bug #7521:04 Severe console message spam when avi with voice enabled is in parcel with voice disabled but region has voice 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7521 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-04-02 12:46 <osmantis> Bug #7518:04 Opensium 0.8.1 [Const] section incomplete and makes it partly useless 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-02 12:59 <osmantis> Bug #7518:04 Opensium 0.8.1 [Const] section incomplete and makes it partly useless 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-02 13:17 <osmantis> Bug #7518:04 Opensium 0.8.1 [Const] section incomplete and makes it partly useless 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-02 14:31 <osmantis> Bug #7518:04 Opensium 0.8.1 [Const] section incomplete and makes it partly useless 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-02 15:42 <osmantis> Bug #7522:04 Plane against sim border causes AVs to freeze until after it moves away from border. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7522 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-04-02 15:43 <osmantis> Bug #7522:04 Plane against sim border causes all AVs on sim to freeze until a few moments after it moves away from border. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7522 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-04-02 15:46 <nebadon> Ken_S i would suggest either attach an IAR with example plane or provide a HG link where one can be aquired
2015-04-02 15:46 <nebadon> misterblue should we assign mantis #7522 to you?
2015-04-02 15:55 <Ken_S> I'Nebadon, is it OK to just emphasise the sim name where the plane can be obtained and where it can be tested?
2015-04-02 15:56 <nebadon> I imagine that if misterblue cant take a copy back to his own simualtor
2015-04-02 15:56 <nebadon> it will be difficult for him to debug and fix the problem
2015-04-02 15:56 <nebadon> just as long as its clear where a copy can be taken from I think that is fine
2015-04-02 15:56 <nebadon> just a HG address or whatever
2015-04-02 15:57 <Ken_S> I am almost sure the plane is set to copy, but I'll check and confirm.
2015-04-02 15:57 <Ken_S> I'll also send Robert a copy in-world in a few minutes.
2015-04-02 15:58 <AllenKerensky> is the region where the border freeze happens using Bullet in its own thread or not?
2015-04-02 15:58 <AllenKerensky> if not - does the freeze still happen if you move bullet to its own thread?
2015-04-02 15:59 <Ken_S> I have Bullet set to have its own thread
2015-04-02 16:00 <AllenKerensky> okay thanks was just curious
2015-04-02 16:00 <Ken_S> It didnt seem too reliable the other way.
2015-04-02 16:08 <Ken_S> Nebadon, I sent Robert a couple of copies of the plane in-world along with a link to the mantis.
2015-04-02 16:09 <nebadon> ok thanks Ken_S
2015-04-02 16:09 <Ken_S> There is a winding road up a hill on this same sim
2015-04-02 16:09 <Ken_S> People are saying that all the cars are apparently following the terrain under the road much of the time
2015-04-02 16:10 <Ken_S> rather than the road itself
2015-04-02 16:10 <Ken_S> They first tried a mesh road and that didnt work, so
2015-04-02 16:10 <Ken_S> they switched to a prim road and it appears to have a similar issue.
2015-04-02 16:10 <Ken_S> Have you seen this?
2015-04-02 16:10 <nebadon> I havent, i have not done much with vehicles in some time
2015-04-02 16:11 <nebadon> I can suggest that you use prim tires
2015-04-02 16:11 <nebadon> spheres
2015-04-02 16:11 <nebadon> make any peices of mesh have no physics on the features tab
2015-04-02 16:11 <nebadon> and have a very basic vehicle hull made of prims
2015-04-02 16:11 <nebadon> and set the material to glass
2015-04-02 16:11 <Ken_S> Not sure what to do about this one since I am not the builder of any of the cars
2015-04-02 16:12 <nebadon> could try my racer
2015-04-02 16:12 <nebadon> as that is exactly how it is built
2015-04-02 16:12 <Ken_S> I'll see if they have tried it there...
2015-04-02 16:27 <Ken_S> Nebadon, here is how it did with your racer v0.371x
2015-04-02 16:28 <Ken_S> It seemed to do OK on the windy prim roads, but when I got out of the car, it droped below the road.
2015-04-02 16:30 <nebadon> is the road mega prims?
2015-04-02 16:30 <nebadon> might be why
2015-04-02 16:31 <nebadon> my racer uses llRayCast to make sure the car is upright and on the road once you stand
2015-04-02 16:31 <nebadon> incase it flips over 
2015-04-02 16:31 <Ken_S> No, its a lot of small sections of normal prims with curves
2015-04-02 16:31 <nebadon> is it hollow?
2015-04-02 16:31 <Ken_S> The prim?
2015-04-02 16:31 <nebadon> yea its it a hollow cylinder
2015-04-02 16:31 <nebadon> perhaps its larger than it looks
2015-04-02 16:31 <Ken_S> I dont think so, but let me check a few of them.
2015-04-02 16:31 <nebadon> my guess is the llRayCast is failing
2015-04-02 16:32 <nebadon> if it goes down to the terrain below when you stand up
2015-04-02 16:33 <Ken_S> None of the prims are hollow.
2015-04-02 16:33 <Ken_S> The curves are a scewed prim, but none are hollow.
2015-04-02 16:43 <Ken_S> Nebadon,
2015-04-02 16:43 <Ken_S> I kept looking and did find a couple that were hollow.
2015-04-02 16:43 <Ken_S> I will tell them to replace with solid prims and retest.
2015-04-02 23:34 <AliciaRaven> SL GO ends at the end of the month, that didnt last long
2015-04-02 23:36 <osmantis> Bug #7518:04 Opensium 0.8.1 [Const] section incomplete and makes it partly useless 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-02 23:37 <dahlia> 
ACTION isn't too upset to see it go

2015-04-02 23:38 <dahlia> not one bit upset :)
2015-04-02 23:39 <AliciaRaven> neither am i lol
2015-04-02 23:39 <AliciaRaven> supprised that its so soon tho
2015-04-02 23:39 <dahlia> I remember it died once before, I was surprised it was revived
2015-04-02 23:40 <AliciaRaven> they been bought by sony for their patents so dont think they will be back this time
2015-04-02 23:40 <dahlia> probably not
2015-04-02 23:40 <AliciaRaven> http://www.firestormviewer.org/onlive-sold-sl-go-to-end-april-30th/
2015-04-02 23:42 <dahlia> ya I got it from here http://venturebeat.com/2015/04/02/onlive-will-shut-cloud-gaming-services-and-sell-assets-to-sony/
2015-04-02 23:43 <dahlia> sony probably considered it competition to their consoles
2015-04-03 00:11 <nebadon> so tired of companies buying stuff just to shut it down
2015-04-03 00:21 <AliciaRaven> should call it "doing a google" lol
2015-04-03 00:22 <nebadon> all the big companies do it
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2015-04-03 01:09 <dahlia> cheap way to get patents I guess
2015-04-03 02:27 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-03 05:24 <Trinity93> http://www.cnet.com/au/news/sony-buys-onlive-streaming-game-service-which-will-shut-down-later-this-month/
2015-04-03 05:35 <dahlia> Trinity93: ya we chatted about that earlier
2015-04-03 05:36 <Trinity93> k didnt know
2015-04-03 05:37 <dahlia> was just suggesting you might want to scroll back a bit :)
2015-04-03 10:19 <osmantis> Bug #7518:04 Opensium 0.8.1 [Const] section incomplete and makes it partly useless 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-03 12:53 <osmantis> Bug #7518:04 Opensium 0.8.1 [Const] section incomplete and makes it partly useless 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-03 18:32 <Littlefeather> Is it possible to use html in the welcome message?
2015-04-03 19:43 <osmantis> Bug #7516:04 Added information  -  on not rez issue. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-04-04 03:41 <Azah> greetings to all. I was wondering if someone could give me a little advice. I am thinking of taking some of my content creations to a grid that has hypergrid enabled. would my items be able to be taken out of that grid and into another like Opensim itself?
2015-04-04 03:46 <nebadon> are you sharing your objects with everyone in that grid?
2015-04-04 03:46 <dahlia> Azah: there's a export flag somewhere, I think Melanie_T may heve implemented it. I'm not sure how it works. Of course if anyone really wants to take your stuff they could just use a copybot viewer, even in SL.
2015-04-04 03:47 <dahlia> anyway ask Melanie_T when she's around
2015-04-04 03:48 <Azah> ok, thanks dahlia
2015-04-04 03:49 <dahlia> wonder if I scared Azah off 
2015-04-04 08:20 <djphil> Hello, does anyone know how to implement the choice of basic avatar in the viewer? I would like to know how this to work, what work I should use for the action "click" for avatar worn directly. I would also like to know what type of archive avatar I have to create, how I have to create and where I need to place it. Thank you in advance. :)
2015-04-04 08:22 <djphil> (for info, i installed the guide regions and it works great already!).
2015-04-04 16:28 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-04 17:57 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-04-05 00:25 <diva_> ping nebadon
2015-04-05 00:25 <nebadon> hey diva_
2015-04-05 00:26 <diva_> hi. were you wanting for me to update wifi on the CC?
2015-04-05 00:26 <nebadon> oh yea
2015-04-05 00:27 <diva_> I made a new release today, and I wrote instructions on how to do it
2015-04-05 00:27 <diva_> http://metaverseink.com/blog/?p=592
2015-04-05 00:27 <nebadon> ah great
2015-04-05 00:27 <nebadon> thanks
2015-04-05 00:27 <diva_> it would be great if you could go through the instructions and see if they make sense
2015-04-05 00:27 <diva_> or if you run into trouble
2015-04-05 00:30 <nebadon> ok I will do that
2015-04-05 00:41 <nebadon> diva will the old wifipages still work ok?
2015-04-05 00:41 <nebadon> no changes to that right?
2015-04-05 00:42 <diva> like welcome and stuff?
2015-04-05 00:42 <nebadon> yea
2015-04-05 00:42 <diva> yeah, they should
2015-04-05 00:42 <nebadon> we really customzied the avacon one alot
2015-04-05 00:42 <nebadon> ok great
2015-04-05 00:42 <diva> well...
2015-04-05 00:42 <nebadon> http://grid.avacon.org
2015-04-05 00:42 <diva> the "contract" is that oyu can only costumize a few of those...
2015-04-05 00:42 <diva> what did you customize?
2015-04-05 00:42 <nebadon> well just the css stuff 
2015-04-05 00:42 <nebadon> take a look
2015-04-05 00:42 <diva> eeeew
2015-04-05 00:42 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-05 00:43 <nebadon> Fleep did it
2015-04-05 00:45 <diva> hmm, I'll have to look at what I'm doing with the css file
2015-04-05 00:48 <diva> nebadon do you know if she customized fluid.css?
2015-04-05 00:51 <diva> so neb, it *should* work
2015-04-05 00:51 <diva> but I haven't tested it
2015-04-05 00:51 <nebadon> I am not sure
2015-04-05 00:51 <diva> I think I'm letting the css stuff be picked from user space
2015-04-05 00:51 <diva> so try it
2015-04-05 00:52 <diva> afk for a bit
2015-04-05 00:56 <nebadon> ok thanks I will let you know
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2015-04-05 01:02 <osmantis> Bug #7028:04 [PATCH] PhysicalPrimMax to 64m for ini Default files to enable standard size prims and mesh to be used with vehicles. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7028 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-04-05 02:47 <djphil> Hello, does anyone know how to implement the choice of basic avatar in the viewer? I would like to know how this to work, what work I should use for the action "click" for avatar worn directly. I would also like to know what type of archive avatar I have to create, how I have to create and where I need to place it.
2015-04-05 02:47 <djphil> (for info, i installed the guide regions and it works great already!).
2015-04-05 02:47 <djphil> Thank you in advance.
2015-04-05 02:48 <nebadon> you mean like in SL?
2015-04-05 02:48 <nebadon> I think all of that stuff is hard coded directly to SL
2015-04-05 02:48 <djphil> in robust ini you can add url for that
2015-04-05 02:48 <nebadon> for avatar selection?
2015-04-05 02:48 <djphil> as for the regions guide
2015-04-05 02:49 <djphil> yes for av selection
2015-04-05 02:50 <nebadon> do you see the note :)
2015-04-05 02:50 <nebadon> (work in progress)
2015-04-05 02:50 <nebadon> i dont think it actually works
2015-04-05 02:50 <djphil> lol yes ... but i ask how already :)
2015-04-05 02:50 <nebadon> if it does its probably all done in PHP or some kind of web API
2015-04-05 02:50 <nebadon> i dont think we have any funcitonality in core to do this
2015-04-05 02:50 <djphil> ok
2015-04-05 02:51 <nebadon> same as desitnation guide
2015-04-05 02:51 <nebadon> you need html for that to work
2015-04-05 02:51 <djphil> yes i do that
2015-04-05 02:51 <djphil> and that work fine
2015-04-05 02:51 <nebadon> yea
2015-04-05 02:51 <djphil> but is easy ...
2015-04-05 02:52 <nebadon> all the url in Robust.ini does is send that URL to the viewer
2015-04-05 02:52 <djphil> just add secondlife://region/128/128/128 and it work ...
2015-04-05 02:52 <nebadon> I wonder if any opensim grids are actually using that
2015-04-05 02:52 <djphil> for avatars is more hard!
2015-04-05 02:52 <nebadon> i would be surprised if anyone has figured that out yet
2015-04-05 02:52 <djphil> hehen read your ini, read your ini ^^
2015-04-05 02:54 <djphil> Fortunately in life you do not always have to wait for the others
2015-04-05 02:55 <djphil> you know who has implemented this?
2015-04-05 02:55 <djphil> so that I can ask him directly
2015-04-05 02:58 <nebadon> I dont know anyone who is using it
2015-04-05 02:59 <nebadon> I will be surprised if anyone actually is
2015-04-05 03:03 <djphil> Hmm
2015-04-05 03:04 <djphil> maybee bluewall
2015-04-05 03:43 <djphil> nebadon : do you know if something has changed with the function llRezObject because it seems it does not work as well as before?
2015-04-05 03:43 <djphil> 1) Now the distance from the ground is limited 2) the ground position seems to have significantly changed place
2015-04-05 03:43 <nebadon> not that I know of
2015-04-05 03:44 <djphil> kk tank's
2015-04-05 03:56 <osmantis> Bug #7523:04 New limitation for llRezObject ? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7523 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2015-04-05 03:58 <osmantis> Bug #7523:04 New limitation for llRezObject ? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7523 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2015-04-05 04:55 <osmantis> Bug #7523:04 New limitation for llRezObject ? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7523 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2015-04-05 05:33 <osmantis> Bug #7523:04 New limitation for llRezObject ? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7523 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2015-04-05 06:07 <osmantis> Bug #7523:04 New limitation for llRezObject ? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7523 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2015-04-05 06:12 <osmantis> Bug #7523:04 New limitation for llRezObject ? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7523 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-05 06:13 <osmantis> Bug #7523:04 New limitation for llRezObject ? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7523 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-05 10:38 <osmantis> Bug #7523:04 New limitation for llRezObject ? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7523 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2015-04-05 13:34 <osmantis> Bug #7523:04 New limitation for llRezObject ? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7523 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-05 13:39 <osmantis> Bug #7523:04 New limitation for llRezObject ? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7523 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2015-04-05 13:40 <osmantis> Bug #7523:04 New limitation for llRezObject ? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7523 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2015-04-05 13:40 <osmantis> Bug #7523:04 New limitation for llRezObject ? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7523 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2015-04-05 14:33 <thoys> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14997455/hifi/sitOnEntity.js
2015-04-05 14:33 <thoys> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/14997455/hifi/barstool.fst
2015-04-05 14:47 <smxy> thoys: Why are you posting hifi code here?
2015-04-05 14:50 <nebadon> its amazing how complicated a basic sit script is
2015-04-05 14:55 <thoys> oops smxy wrong channel
2015-04-05 14:55 <thoys> :P
2015-04-05 14:55 <thoys> sorry
2015-04-05 16:28 <diva> nebadon what's the latest verison of mono that opensim runs well on?
2015-04-05 16:29 <nebadon> im using mono 3.12.1 no problem
2015-04-05 16:32 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44
2015-04-05 18:33 <JoeRadik> nebadon, I just finished compilling mono following your instructions on Unbutu 14.04
2015-04-05 18:33 <JoeRadik> only differences I found was I had to use libtiff5 libtiff5-dev
2015-04-05 19:06 <nebadon> ok thanks JoeRadik
2015-04-05 19:08 <nebadon> i updated the page to reflect that
2015-04-05 19:16 <smxy> Has anyone here followed Diva's blog post instructions on how to install Wifi for Robust?
2015-04-05 19:26 <nebadon> smxy not yet, i have not had time yet
2015-04-05 19:26 <nebadon> maybe tonight or tomorrow I will get a chance
2015-04-05 19:26 <nebadon> running into trouble?
2015-04-05 19:31 <smxy> oh, sorry
2015-04-05 19:32 <smxy> I get to the step where I list her available addons and it shows 3 with two versions. In the next command, where we install, no version is specified, so how do I know which will be nstalled?
2015-04-05 19:34 <smxy> For instance, Wifi is listed as:
2015-04-05 19:34 <smxy>  - Diva.Wifi,0.8.1.0.2 (metaverseink.com)
2015-04-05 19:34 <smxy>  - Diva.Wifi,0.8.1.0.3 (metaverseink.com)
2015-04-05 19:34 <smxy> But the install line is: mautil.exe -reg /path/to/registry install Diva.Wifi
2015-04-05 19:36 <smxy> I'm wondering if it just takes the highest version, by default or if I should specify thename plus the version.
2015-04-05 19:40 <smxy> Ah. I just went ahead and tried the command as give. It says it will install the *3 version along with the Interfaces addon, than asks y/N
2015-04-05 19:40 <smxy> So it apparently defaults to the highest version found.
2015-04-05 19:56 <dahlia> smxy: it probably gets the latest that would work in your installation
2015-04-05 20:43 <smxy> nebadon: the instructions worked fine.
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2015-04-06 03:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #4120 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-04-06 03:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4120: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4120/
2015-04-06 03:35 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: implement VEHICLE_REFERENCE_FRAME.  Thanks Vegaslon!.
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2015-04-06 20:01 <dahlia> nebadon: you need to make one of these :D http://www.davidhunt.ie/piphone-a-raspberry-pi-based-smartphone/
2015-04-06 20:05 <nebadon> lol nice
2015-04-06 20:07 <LiruCookies> Is there a sim running the current release of opensim I could go to test stuff?
2015-04-06 22:46 <dahlia> LiruCookies: I think the region "bleh" on osgrid is < 2 weeks old, if that's current enough
2015-04-06 22:56 <osmantis> Bug #7371:04 BulletSim-- Crash when have more then 2-3 cut prims physical. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7371 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-04-06 22:57 <osmantis> Bug #7226:04 [PATCH]Bulletsim-- Implement Vehicle Reference Frame. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7226 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-04-06 23:40 <LiruCookies> dahlia: I need  region old enough that maybe buying items by left click still works
2015-04-06 23:43 <nebadon> I can update a region
2015-04-07 00:10 <nebadon> LiruCookies, ok I updated Sisyphus on OSgrid
2015-04-07 00:10 <nebadon> if you need a fully updated region
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2015-04-07 00:40 <LiruCookies> nebadon: updated? I was saying I needed an old region.
2015-04-07 00:41 <nebadon> ooh
2015-04-07 00:41 <nebadon> hmm yea I dont have anything on the actual release
2015-04-07 00:41 <LiruCookies> Or older than that?
2015-04-07 00:42 <nebadon> probably not
2015-04-07 00:42 <nebadon> i usually stay very close to master git
2015-04-07 01:29 <osmantis> Bug #7524:04 llTargetOmega ignores gain arguement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7524 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-04-07 01:30 <osmantis> Bug #7524:04 llTargetOmega ignores gain arguement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7524 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-04-07 01:37 <osmantis> Bug #7521:04 Severe console message spam when avi with voice enabled is in parcel with voice disabled but region has voice 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7521 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-07 02:02 <osmantis> Bug #7521:04 Severe console message spam when avi with voice enabled is in parcel with voice disabled but region has voice 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7521 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-07 03:37 <osmantis> Bug #7488:04 Flying certain plane scripts on Bulletsim var region fails more often than not and often makes sim unusable until restarted. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7488 ): has been CLOSED
2015-04-07 03:37 <osmantis> Bug #7297:04 When walking or flying, AV often gets stuck walking or flying and cannot stop without relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7297 ): has been CLOSED
2015-04-07 03:42 <osmantis> Bug #7229:04 Teleport from Var to normal sim, both with latest dev master and Viewer locks up about 10-15 secs after TP completes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7229 ): has been CLOSED
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2015-04-07 12:13 <smxy> Is there any way to create an alias for a region? So that If I had a region, "bar", with an alias of "foo" and someone teleported to "foo", they ended up in "bar"?
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2015-04-07 13:39 <osmantis> Bug #7521:04 Severe console message spam when avi with voice enabled is in parcel with voice disabled but region has voice 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7521 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-07 13:40 <osmantis> Bug #7521:04 Severe console message spam when avi with voice enabled is in parcel with voice disabled but region has voice 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7521 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-04-07 18:04 <nebadon> Weekly Developer meeting is starting at Wright Plaza on OSgrid
2015-04-07 18:07 <osmantis> Bug #7524:04 llTargetOmega ignores gain arguement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7524 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-04-08 06:23 <osmantis> Bug #7510:04 Constants scattered in LSL_Api 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7510 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-08 10:58 <osmantis> Bug #7518:04 Opensium 0.8.1 [Const] section incomplete and makes it partly useless 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-08 18:35 <osmantis> Bug #7106:04 Avatar feets follow terrain instead of the object its walking on. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7106 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-08 18:36 <osmantis> Bug #7067:04 Avatars highly distanced from the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7067 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-08 21:30 <Ken_S> Nebadon, if you are around...
2015-04-08 21:31 <Ken_S> What would be the best way to measure the best timer setting to use on a sim?
2015-04-08 21:31 <Ken_S> Not just by feel, but more scientifically.
2015-04-08 21:35 <nebadon_laptop> hmm not sure
2015-04-08 21:36 <nebadon_laptop> probably best to just match it to the heartbeat
2015-04-08 21:36 <nebadon_laptop> its something like 0.83 or something
2015-04-08 21:36 <nebadon_laptop> or 0.083
2015-04-08 21:36 <nebadon_laptop> i cant remember exactly now
2015-04-08 21:36 <nebadon_laptop> or 0.087 maybe
2015-04-08 21:48 <Ken_S> I had it at .08, but will try one of those.
2015-04-08 21:49 <nebadon_laptop> its 11fps
2015-04-08 21:49 <nebadon_laptop> so 1 / 11
2015-04-08 21:50 <Ken_S> k
2015-04-08 21:51 <Ken_S> Someone advised me to lower it to .05, but didnt think it wise to go that low
2015-04-08 21:51 <nebadon_laptop> i dont think it will have any effect below like 0.087
2015-04-08 21:51 <nebadon_laptop> as it can only go as fast as the heartbeat
2015-04-08 21:52 <Ken_S> 1/11=.0909
2015-04-08 21:52 <nebadon_laptop> ya so thats likely the best you can get
2015-04-08 21:53 <nebadon_laptop> i suppose that if you go faster it may queue 2 timer ticks per heartbeat
2015-04-08 21:53 <nebadon_laptop> but its still only going at 0.09
2015-04-08 21:53 <nebadon_laptop> but possibly may be more reliable
2015-04-08 21:53 <Ken_S> Thats what I was thinking.
2015-04-08 21:53 <nebadon_laptop> hard to say
2015-04-08 21:54 <Ken_S> Queuing more than 1 tick per heartbeat sounds like potential for other issues.
2015-04-08 21:58 <Ken_S> Nebadon_Laptop, one other physics question...
2015-04-08 21:59 <Ken_S> Is it a known issue that the cut side of a prim becomes phantom, while the uncut side stays normal with vehicles?
2015-04-08 21:59 <Ken_S> I think it does this with AVs too.
2015-04-08 22:00 <nebadon_laptop> hmmm ya its possible that cuts and hollows may not be right
2015-04-08 22:00 <nebadon_laptop> not totally sure though
2015-04-08 22:01 <Ken_S> I had a bridge that used a cut box on each side as the ramp to the bridge.
2015-04-08 22:01 <Ken_S> Vehicles would fall right through it.
2015-04-08 22:01 <Ken_S> I flipped the ramp over and it was fine.
2015-04-08 22:01 <Ken_S> So the cut side was phantom to the vehicle.
2015-04-08 22:02 <Ken_S> But after falling into the cut prim, the vehicle could not get out lol
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2015-04-09 11:48 <WDD_M1> 
ACTION waves

2015-04-09 11:49 <WDD_M1> is SignpostMarv @ work here
2015-04-09 11:49 <WDD_M1> doing some funky things in non-opensim project, using opensim libs for laziness.
2015-04-09 11:49 <WDD_M1> mostly using OSDParser to build JSON stuff in a familiar way.
2015-04-09 11:52 <WDD_M1> presently getting a TypeInitializationException when using ServerUtils.BuildQueryString
2015-04-09 11:52 <WDD_M1> any thoughts ?
2015-04-09 13:06 <WDD_M1> got it working, needed to include references for log4net & mono.addins
2015-04-09 13:13 <WDD_M1> also wondering why SynchronousRestFormsRequester.MakeRequest doesn't support gzip out of the box?
2015-04-09 13:17 <WDD_M1> hrm. that's weird. now it is handling the gzip o_O
2015-04-09 13:17 <WDD_M1> or not
2015-04-09 13:18 <WDD_M1> inconsistent code is inconsistent :P
2015-04-09 14:05 <WDD_M1> 
ACTION has given up on gzip decoding, will just turn off gzip compression for c# app

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2015-04-10 02:39 <dahlia> http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/csharpRaytracer01.jpg
2015-04-10 02:40 <nebadon> nice
2015-04-10 02:44 <misterblue> pretty cool Dahlia
2015-04-10 02:44 <Ubit> yeap v nice
2015-04-10 02:44 <dahlia> ty
2015-04-10 03:03 <AllenKerensky> looks like a good way to get super-improved snapshots in viewers =)
2015-04-10 03:03 <AllenKerensky> freezeframe - throw the geometry at a full raytracer
2015-04-10 03:04 <Ubit> and the ugly avatar taking the snap shows up on a mirror :)
2015-04-10 03:05 <Ubit> ( thinking about my avatar, ofc )
2015-04-10 06:27 <dahlia> my poor computer is melting http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/csharpRaytracer04.jpg
2015-04-10 09:31 <WDD_M1> back to using opensim code in non-opensim project :D
2015-04-10 10:05 <dahlia> WDD_M1: whatcha coding up?
2015-04-10 10:06 <WDD_M1> seekrit
2015-04-10 10:06 <WDD_M1> using third party SDK to communicate with internal system
2015-04-10 10:07 <WDD_M1> also,  /me is SignpostMarv
2015-04-10 10:07 <WDD_M1> :P
2015-04-10 10:07 <dahlia> why new nick
2015-04-10 10:07 <WDD_M1> using opensim code to handle the HTTP comms & JSON serialisation/deserialisation
2015-04-10 10:07 <WDD_M1> 
ACTION is at work

2015-04-10 10:10 <WDD_M1> so to use OSDParser, OSD types & SynchronousRestFormsRequester in a third-party app, one needs to reference at least LitJson.dll, log4net.dll, Mono.Addins.dll, OpenMetaverse.StructureData.dll, OpenMetaverseTypes.dll, OpenSim.Framework.dll, OpenSimServe.Base.dll & XMLRPC.dll
2015-04-10 10:10 <WDD_M1> XMLRPC.dll may be superfluous, but log4net & Mono.Addins were required to get SynchronousRestFormsRequester  to not throw exceptions
2015-04-10 10:11 <dahlia> dont OpenMetaverse.StructureData.dll and OpenMetaverseTypes.dll handle most of the json stuff?
2015-04-10 10:11 <dahlia> or all of it?
2015-04-10 10:11 <dahlia> I thought litjson was compiled in
2015-04-10 10:11 <WDD_M1> for building the json response & parsing the incoming responses, yes
2015-04-10 10:12 <WDD_M1> I'm POSTing out json & GETing json
2015-04-10 10:12 <WDD_M1> I also tried to get some auto-gzip handling going on, since it seems that SynchronousRestFormsRequester.MakeRequest won't auto-handle Content-Encoding: gzip
2015-04-10 10:12 <WDD_M1> not sure if that would be needed in OpenSim itself or not?
2015-04-10 10:12 <dahlia> dunno
2015-04-10 10:13 <dahlia> HttpServer might do something with it
2015-04-10 10:16 <WDD_M1> overall it's quite refreshing to be tinkering with c# again :)
2015-04-10 10:17 <dahlia> <3 c#
2015-04-10 10:18 <dahlia> my latest c# extravaganza: http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/csharpRaytracer04.jpg
2015-04-10 10:18 <WDD_M1> lotso bawls
2015-04-10 10:19 <dahlia> shiny ones too :)
2015-04-10 10:28 <WDD_M1> doing anything for international tabletop day ?
2015-04-10 10:29 <dahlia> never heard of it
2015-04-10 10:29 <WDD_M1> http://tabletopday.com/
2015-04-10 10:31 <dahlia> nope
2015-04-10 10:35 <WDD_M1> 'tis one of the few reasons I would choose to go socialise with random strangers
2015-04-10 10:37 <WDD_M1> I don't suppose there's much documentation for using Prebuild with none-opensim projects?
2015-04-10 10:42 <dahlia> not that Im aware of
2015-04-10 10:48 <WDD_M1> shame, would be nice to use it for setting up the c# project :s
2015-04-10 11:14 <dahlia> I think libomv and radegast both use it also
2015-04-10 11:24 <WDD_M1> yar, but I believe I recall there's some modifications from the original prebuild project ?
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2015-04-10 21:14 <diva> omg everyone. STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING and check out aws appstream. This is AMAZING!
2015-04-10 21:15 <nebadon> haha
2015-04-10 21:15 <diva> neb and I are running OnLook on the cloud and streaming it. It works amazingly well
2015-04-10 22:03 <dahlia> diva: nebadon: congratz :)
2015-04-10 22:04 <diva> this is amazing and very simple! I still can't believe it
2015-04-10 22:04 <diva> it's the closest thing to magic that I've seen in a while
2015-04-10 22:04 <nebadon> im compressing a video now
2015-04-10 22:04 <nebadon> for you guys to see it
2015-04-10 22:04 <nebadon> be a few minutes
2015-04-10 22:04 <nebadon> have to crop it a bit
2015-04-10 22:05 <nebadon> its amazing how easy to setup appstream is
2015-04-10 22:05 <diva> literally, it consists of installing the viewer on an AWS image. Then ppl just need to download a generic client, and give it a URL to connect to
2015-04-10 22:05 <AllenKerensky> easy / magic is how cloud is supposed to appear to the end
2015-04-10 22:06 <nebadon> the hardware is pretty good
2015-04-10 22:06 <nebadon> though its kind of odd hardware
2015-04-10 22:06 <nebadon> so you dont get the best framerate you could
2015-04-10 22:06 <nebadon> its a K520
2015-04-10 22:06 <nebadon> http://docs.aws.amazon.com/appstream/latest/developerguide/appstream-application-requirements.html
2015-04-10 22:06 <nebadon> not bad for 83 cents an hour
2015-04-10 22:07 <nebadon> not something you would want to use for a week straight
2015-04-10 22:07 <nebadon> hehe
2015-04-10 22:07 <nebadon> this stuff is only going to get better and faster and cheaper
2015-04-10 22:07 <nebadon> I think nvidia has something like this coming soon too
2015-04-10 22:07 <nebadon> like appstream
2015-04-10 22:12 <nebadon> video uploading
2015-04-10 22:14 <paulieflomar> I just listened to Draxtor Dupree's interview with Dennis Harper, former Senior Product Manager at OnLive. Dennis said he hoped that someone would resurrect a version of streaming SL, maybe using AppStream. That's quick work, guys. :)  
2015-04-10 22:15 <nebadon> :)
2015-04-10 22:15 <nebadon> thats what gave me the idea paulieflomar
2015-04-10 22:15 <paulieflomar> :)
2015-04-10 22:15 <nebadon> i saw the posting they did 
2015-04-10 22:16 <paulieflomar> sweet
2015-04-10 22:16 <nebadon> http://projectrep.com/AppStream/Aws_Appstream_Onlook_Osgrid_01.mp4
2015-04-10 22:21 <diva> post it on twitter neb
2015-04-10 22:21 <nebadon> im uploading it to youtube first
2015-04-10 22:23 <smxy> Good god. People will be streaming their VRsex before you know it. 
2015-04-10 22:24 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-10 22:24 <nebadon> even the music is streaming over it too
2015-04-10 22:24 <nebadon> it cuts out a few times though
2015-04-10 22:24 <nebadon> everything was coming from my home connection
2015-04-10 22:25 <smxy> Ah, so we can have avatar porn AND the bad music that accompanies that kind of video. :)
2015-04-10 22:25 <nebadon> even that simulator with the roller coasters is on a server in my basement
2015-04-10 22:26 <nebadon> the only thing that sucks is alt camera doesnt work right
2015-04-10 22:26 <nebadon> not sure why
2015-04-10 22:26 <nebadon> everything else seems to work
2015-04-10 22:26 <nebadon> you also cant transmit voice
2015-04-10 22:26 <nebadon> but you can hear voice
2015-04-10 22:26 <dahlia> browsers intercept alt, if thats what you mean
2015-04-10 22:26 <dahlia> I have big trouble with that with my webgl stuff
2015-04-10 22:27 <dahlia> linux messes up alt also
2015-04-10 22:28 <nebadon> its not in the browser
2015-04-10 22:28 <nebadon> they have a client 
2015-04-10 22:28 <nebadon> its a very light exe you run to connect to it
2015-04-10 22:28 <nebadon> you can do it in chrome too
2015-04-10 22:28 <nebadon> i didnt try that yet
2015-04-10 22:28 <diva> the chrome didn't work for me
2015-04-10 22:28 <nebadon> charging up my tablet now to try on that
2015-04-10 22:28 <nebadon> battery went totally dead on it
2015-04-10 22:28 <nebadon> did you install the chrome addon?
2015-04-10 22:28 <diva> yes
2015-04-10 22:29 <nebadon> odd
2015-04-10 22:29 <diva> that's when I was having all those problems
2015-04-10 22:29 <dahlia> it needs an addon?
2015-04-10 22:29 <nebadon> let me try
2015-04-10 22:29 <diva> those links didn't seem to work
2015-04-10 22:29 <dahlia> didnt onlive work without an addon?
2015-04-10 22:30 <nebadon> it worked for me
2015-04-10 22:30 <diva> oh
2015-04-10 22:30 <diva> now it works
2015-04-10 22:30 <nebadon> heh the chrome client is nicer
2015-04-10 22:30 <nebadon> windows one is super basic
2015-04-10 22:31 <nebadon> i dont remember dahlia
2015-04-10 22:31 <nebadon> i never used it the second time around
2015-04-10 22:31 <nebadon> i beleive maybe it needed java
2015-04-10 22:31 <nebadon> ?
2015-04-10 22:31 <nebadon> i cant remember
2015-04-10 22:32 <dahlia> dont see why, high performance streaming video is built into html5
2015-04-10 22:32 <dahlia> or they can use flash
2015-04-10 22:32 <nebadon> yea not sure
2015-04-10 22:33 <dahlia> seems pretty lame to need a plugin
2015-04-10 22:33 <diva> wow. amazing
2015-04-10 22:34 <BeyBar> 
ACTION feels like he missed something

2015-04-10 22:34 <nebadon> whats that diva?
2015-04-10 22:35 <diva> the chrome player
2015-04-10 22:35 <diva> works pretty good
2015-04-10 22:35 <diva> BeyBar neb and I are running the viewer on the AWS AppStream engine
2015-04-10 22:35 <nebadon> ah yea
2015-04-10 22:36 <BeyBar> Thanks. Now I have to check that out too. :)
2015-04-10 22:37 <diva> yo ujust need to install a missing windows library
2015-04-10 22:37 <diva> once you're in the instance, google for vcredist 2010 and install both the x86 and the x64
2015-04-10 22:37 <diva> then install the viewer
2015-04-10 22:41 <nebadon> trying it on my tablet now
2015-04-10 22:41 <nebadon> i suspect its not going to be so easy
2015-04-10 22:41 <nebadon> hehe
2015-04-10 22:41 <diva> is it android?
2015-04-10 22:41 <nebadon> yea
2015-04-10 22:41 <nebadon> its a Galaxy Note 8.0
2015-04-10 22:41 <nebadon> ok an I am in to the viewer
2015-04-10 22:42 <nebadon> just need to log in now
2015-04-10 22:43 <nebadon> logging in
2015-04-10 22:43 <nebadon> this is cool
2015-04-10 22:43 <nebadon> looks perfect so far
2015-04-10 22:43 <nebadon> moving around will be difficult
2015-04-10 22:43 <nebadon> there is no keyboard overlay for arrow keys or anything
2015-04-10 22:43 <nebadon> graphically it looks perfect
2015-04-10 22:43 <diva> but the images?
2015-04-10 22:43 <diva> ok
2015-04-10 22:44 <nebadon> you cant move camera by dragging it seems
2015-04-10 22:44 <nebadon> and the built in android keyboard has no arrows
2015-04-10 22:44 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-10 22:44 <diva> how do you move the avatar?
2015-04-10 22:44 <nebadon> ok BlueTooth keyboard time
2015-04-10 22:44 <nebadon> going to cheat
2015-04-10 22:44 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-10 22:47 <diva> this is really incredible. This changes everything!
2015-04-10 22:49 <nebadon> yea pretty cool
2015-04-10 22:49 <diva> basically we can now forget about limitations coming from graphics and networking
2015-04-10 22:51 <BeyBar> At $0.83/hour in the US, $1.20/hour in Asia... and no coverage for Europe.
2015-04-10 22:51 <BeyBar> 
ACTION is a cheapskate

2015-04-10 22:52 <dahlia> that may be cheap given certain businesses, but probably prohibitive for your average opensim user
2015-04-10 22:53 <diva> yep, not for everyone. 
2015-04-10 22:53 <dahlia> sim $5/month, viewer $0.83/hour
2015-04-10 22:54 <diva> my guess is that this will become cheaper in 2 years, but it will not be free. so needs a revenue stream for ppl who make their environments available in this manner
2015-04-10 22:54 <diva> a lot of business uses of opensim have been crippled by graphics and networking issues
2015-04-10 22:55 <dahlia> maybe, onlive couldnt make it work. Amazon seems to be very good at losing money and still surviving tho
2015-04-10 22:56 <dahlia> but streaming video is pretty hard on networks also
2015-04-10 22:56 <nebadon> seems the keyboard cheat doesnt help much
2015-04-10 22:56 <nebadon> the arrow keys dont work
2015-04-10 22:56 <nebadon> and turning left and right is incredibly slow
2015-04-10 22:56 <nebadon> forward and backward seem ok
2015-04-10 22:56 <nebadon> very strange
2015-04-10 22:56 <dahlia> ya you probably need to hack in a movement UI into your viewer
2015-04-10 22:56 <diva> dahlia anything that avoids ppl having to change firewall issues is 200% improvement
2015-04-10 22:56 <dahlia> ya :)
2015-04-10 22:57 <dahlia> long poll http FTW
2015-04-10 22:57 <diva> you can sustain a business when you need to tell your costumers that they need to open ports x, y and z for this to work
2015-04-10 22:58 <dahlia> my original unity viewer used long poll http, it could go thru any firewall the normal web could
2015-04-10 22:58 <dahlia> that was at the time LL was looking into doing a long poll protocol for SL also
2015-04-10 22:59 <dahlia> they abandoned it about the time of the first major axe-swinging
2015-04-10 23:01 <nebadon> i made a video of the tablet
2015-04-10 23:01 <nebadon> control is nearly impossible at the moment though very odd
2015-04-10 23:03 <dahlia> maybe there's some way you can tell it how to map keystrokes. I'd think they would need that for just about any game
2015-04-10 23:03 <nebadon> i went into the client settings
2015-04-10 23:03 <nebadon> nothing there
2015-04-10 23:03 <nebadon> the keys are mapped
2015-04-10 23:03 <nebadon> but for some reason its really slow
2015-04-10 23:03 <nebadon> i was using awsd
2015-04-10 23:03 <nebadon> those do create movement
2015-04-10 23:03 <nebadon> but left to right is extreemly slow
2015-04-10 23:03 <dahlia> maybe wnen you set up the cloud end
2015-04-10 23:03 <nebadon> forward and back was not as bad but not as good
2015-04-10 23:03 <nebadon> there is very few settings on the back end
2015-04-10 23:04 <nebadon> could be the keyboard im using
2015-04-10 23:04 <nebadon> its a tiny little thing
2015-04-10 23:05 <nebadon> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823205031&cm_re=bluetooth_keyboard-_-23-205-031-_-Product
2015-04-10 23:05 <nebadon> only bluetooth keyboard i have
2015-04-10 23:06 <BeyBar> Judging by http://aws.amazon.com/appstream/faqs/ ("Q: How are user inputs captured, mapped and sent to the Amazon AppStream application?") and http://docs.aws.amazon.com/appstream/latest/developerguide/appstream-build-app-user-data-raw.html you probably need to hack up a keyboard mapping for the viewer
2015-04-10 23:07 <nebadon> yea
2015-04-10 23:07 <nebadon> have to make a custom client
2015-04-10 23:07 <nebadon> not so easy on android though
2015-04-10 23:08 <nebadon> its a start though
2015-04-10 23:08 <nebadon> this stuff is going to improve a lot
2015-04-10 23:08 <nebadon> for us we would probably use a Microsoft Surface anyway
2015-04-10 23:08 <nebadon> not android
2015-04-10 23:09 <diva> yep. and with more players coming things are going to get cheaper and better at the same time
2015-04-10 23:09 <diva> this is really exciting
2015-04-10 23:10 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCmLmFNi7AI&feature=youtu.be
2015-04-10 23:10 <nebadon> on youtube now
2015-04-10 23:10 <diva> I haven't been this excited about opensim in a long time. the networking and graphics issues were a major obstacle to do anything besides niche environments
2015-04-10 23:11 <diva> twit it neb
2015-04-10 23:11 <nebadon> ya just need to remember my twitter pw
2015-04-10 23:11 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-10 23:18 <nebadon> this is the post that brought it to my attention
2015-04-10 23:18 <nebadon> https://modemworld.wordpress.com/2015/04/08/could-the-lab-use-amazon-appstream-to-replace-sl-go
2015-04-10 23:18 <nebadon> i posted in comments that I got it working :)
2015-04-10 23:21 <BeyBar> Are there any figures on how popular SL Go is/was?
2015-04-10 23:23 <nebadon> probably very limited
2015-04-10 23:24 <nebadon> wasnt around long enough to get really popular
2015-04-10 23:27 <BeyBar> 250 signatures here: https://www.change.org/p/sony-save-slgo
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2015-04-10 23:28 <diva> the SL crowd probably doesn't need this except in very special circunstances
2015-04-10 23:28 <nebadon> ya i doubt that will happen
2015-04-10 23:30 <diva> but these environments were completely crippled wrt growth. There's only that many people who are motivated enough to deal with all the nuissances of running a client like this one
2015-04-10 23:30 <dahlia> nebadon: try it flying around wright plaza with a far draw distance
2015-04-10 23:31 <dahlia> or bare rose in SL
2015-04-10 23:31 <nebadon> lol 
2015-04-10 23:31 <nebadon> texture hell
2015-04-10 23:31 <dahlia> srsly
2015-04-10 23:31 <dahlia> those are my 2 fave viewer test regions
2015-04-10 23:31 <nebadon> i tried it in one of the large encitra models
2015-04-10 23:31 <nebadon> that had like 200 npcs
2015-04-10 23:31 <nebadon> was pretty good still
2015-04-10 23:31 <dahlia> wp much worse
2015-04-10 23:32 <diva> yeah, the San Jose model looked awesome
2015-04-10 23:32 <diva> I think things rendered even faster than they render here on my desktop
2015-04-10 23:32 <nebadon> I was in Sodertalje 
2015-04-10 23:33 <nebadon> man my phone is lighting up with emails
2015-04-10 23:33 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-10 23:33 <nebadon> twitter and g+ etc..
2015-04-10 23:49 <BeyBar> https://joyardley.wordpress.com/2015/04/10/the-sl-go-interview-past-present-and-future-of-cloud-streaming-second-life/ says "users, according to a reputable source at least 40-50.000 people"
2015-04-10 23:52 <diva> it should be trivial for them to restore that kind of service in AppStream
2015-04-10 23:53 <diva> it took neb 2 hours to set it up. A lot more can be done -- customizations -- but those are just do-work, nothing hard
2015-04-10 23:56 <BeyBar> Somebody call Jessica Lyon, she has a brand new mobile streaming viewer which is about to lose its job: http://www.firestormviewer.org/firestorm-mobile-for-real-this-time/
2015-04-10 23:58 <nebadon> I am pretty sure Jessica will have no problem figuring it out
2015-04-10 23:58 <nebadon> shes a lot smarter than I am :)
2015-04-10 23:58 <nebadon> it would take quite a bit of work to monetize it
2015-04-10 23:58 <nebadon> but if anyone could pull that off its the Firestorm team
2015-04-10 23:59 <nebadon> i also suspect that it would be a tad bit expensive to create a marketable / sellable app
2015-04-10 23:59 <nebadon> you would probably be looking at 2$+ an hour
2015-04-10 23:59 <nebadon> to use it
2015-04-10 23:59 <nebadon> and have it be profitable at this point
2015-04-11 00:00 <nebadon> however it may be possible to haggle with Amazon for some kind of bulk rate
2015-04-11 00:00 <nebadon> it would be a large investment though I am sure
2015-04-11 00:01 <dahlia> SL doesn't allow proxy services. OnLive was an exception
2015-04-11 00:02 <dahlia> otherwise I'd have a webgl client for SL
2015-04-11 00:02 <dahlia> so unless LL makes another exception, I dont see firestorm going there
2015-04-11 00:05 <nebadon> really?
2015-04-11 00:05 <nebadon> even libomv proxy?
2015-04-11 00:05 <nebadon> how could they even know your using a proxy?
2015-04-11 00:06 <dahlia> you can do a personal proxy, sure, but not a service
2015-04-11 00:06 <nebadon> ahh
2015-04-11 00:06 <nebadon> ok
2015-04-11 00:06 <nebadon> like hidemyass or whatever
2015-04-11 00:06 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-11 00:06 <dahlia> they may not know, its a legal thing
2015-04-11 00:06 <dahlia> not a technical thing
2015-04-11 00:07 <dahlia> Ive used my webgl viewer in SL
2015-04-11 00:12 <nebadon> one thing that is strange about AppStream
2015-04-11 00:12 <nebadon> it wont let you run apps full screen
2015-04-11 00:12 <nebadon> seems like they have to be windowed
2015-04-11 00:12 <dahlia> can you resize?
2015-04-11 00:12 <nebadon> im running Unigine Heaven benchmark
2015-04-11 00:12 <nebadon> to see what score 
2015-04-11 00:12 <nebadon> yes you can
2015-04-11 00:12 <nebadon> well you can resize within the window
2015-04-11 00:12 <nebadon> it seems to force 1280x720
2015-04-11 00:12 <nebadon> that may be customizable though
2015-04-11 00:12 <dahlia> ah
2015-04-11 00:13 <dahlia> ya they would probably want to limit it
2015-04-11 00:13 <nebadon> wow its getting 30fps
2015-04-11 00:13 <nebadon> on the benchmark
2015-04-11 00:13 <nebadon> thats good
2015-04-11 00:13 <nebadon> 40fps
2015-04-11 00:13 <dahlia> crank up tesselation :)
2015-04-11 00:13 <nebadon> man this is way better than I though
2015-04-11 00:13 <nebadon> ya i have it on moderate
2015-04-11 00:13 <dahlia> set all on max
2015-04-11 00:13 <nebadon> yea let me start it over
2015-04-11 00:14 <dahlia> screenshot the stats :)
2015-04-11 00:14 <nebadon> k
2015-04-11 00:15 <nebadon> damn its the same so far
2015-04-11 00:15 <nebadon> we need to get the SL viewer to have direct support for the K520
2015-04-11 00:15 <nebadon> i think thats one of the problems
2015-04-11 00:15 <dahlia> ya resolution helps a LOT
2015-04-11 00:16 <dahlia> SL viewer is just opengl 2
2015-04-11 00:16 <dahlia> I doubt it cares
2015-04-11 00:16 <dahlia> opengl 2 is seriously performance crippled compared to opengl 4
2015-04-11 00:18 <OtakuMegane> It's still never been updated from that ancient version?
2015-04-11 00:18 <nebadon> geez this is hitting 80fps at times
2015-04-11 00:18 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-11 00:18 <nebadon> these K520s are insane though
2015-04-11 00:18 <nebadon> they are basically a Nvidia Titan GTX
2015-04-11 00:19 <nebadon> man this destroys my 780
2015-04-11 00:19 <dahlia> k5200?
2015-04-11 00:20 <dahlia> your 780 is mobile tho
2015-04-11 00:21 <nebadon> dahlia > http://projectrep.com/AppStream/AppStream_001.png
2015-04-11 00:21 <nebadon> no its a K520
2015-04-11 00:21 <nebadon> http://www.nvidia.com/object/cloud-gaming-gpu-boards.html
2015-04-11 00:22 <nebadon> 3072 cores
2015-04-11 00:22 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-11 00:22 <nebadon> 8gb GDDR5
2015-04-11 00:22 <nebadon> this is what AppStream has 
2015-04-11 00:23 <dahlia> too bad you cant crank up the resolution
2015-04-11 00:23 <dahlia> like 4k :)
2015-04-11 00:23 <OtakuMegane> Well multiple GPUs, of course it crushes a 780 :P
2015-04-11 00:23 <dahlia> and at low resolution, it has very little to do
2015-04-11 00:24 <nebadon> yea the k520 is basically 2 780s
2015-04-11 00:24 <nebadon> on a single card
2015-04-11 00:24 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-11 00:24 <nebadon> but even faster
2015-04-11 00:25 <dahlia> your 780 is 780M?
2015-04-11 00:25 <nebadon> yea
2015-04-11 00:25 <nebadon> 780M GTX
2015-04-11 00:25 <dahlia> ya prolly half of a GTX
2015-04-11 00:25 <nebadon> with 4gb GDDR5
2015-04-11 00:25 <nebadon> nah its about 80%
2015-04-11 00:25 <nebadon> according to benchmarks
2015-04-11 00:25 <dahlia> penchmarks pffft
2015-04-11 00:25 <nebadon> this machine is a beast though
2015-04-11 00:25 <nebadon> its gigantic
2015-04-11 00:26 <nebadon> its handled just about anything i throw at it so far
2015-04-11 00:26 <nebadon> its about the same exact speed as the 680 GTX desktop
2015-04-11 00:26 <nebadon> maybe just a tad faster
2015-04-11 00:26 <dahlia> ya but a desktop one would smoke it
2015-04-11 00:26 <nebadon> yea
2015-04-11 00:26 <nebadon> the desktop 780GTX only has 3gb memory though
2015-04-11 00:27 <nebadon> the desktop one
2015-04-11 00:27 <nebadon> my machine is basically a portable desktop
2015-04-11 00:27 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-11 00:27 <nebadon> i dont consider this thing a laptop at all
2015-04-11 00:27 <dahlia> but it has 600 watts and a huge heat sink available to it
2015-04-11 00:27 <dahlia> and more cores
2015-04-11 00:27 <nebadon> hmm im not sure about cores
2015-04-11 00:27 <nebadon> i think its just clock speed
2015-04-11 00:27 <nebadon> mines clocked down a hair
2015-04-11 00:28 <dahlia> usually M has less cores
2015-04-11 00:28 <OtakuMegane> Hmm...
2015-04-11 00:28 <nebadon> http://www.geforce.com/hardware/notebook-gpus/geforce-gtx-780m/specifications
2015-04-11 00:28 <nebadon> http://www.nvidia.com/gtx-700-graphics-cards/gtx-780/
2015-04-11 00:29 <nebadon> ya it is less cores
2015-04-11 00:29 <OtakuMegane> Yeah, 780M is like 2/3 what standard 780 GTX is
2015-04-11 00:29 <nebadon> man the Titan Z is nuts
2015-04-11 00:29 <nebadon> http://www.nvidia.com/gtx-700-graphics-cards/gtx-titan-z/
2015-04-11 00:29 <nebadon> 5760 cores
2015-04-11 00:29 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-11 00:29 <nebadon> 12gb 
2015-04-11 00:30 <nebadon> thats absurd
2015-04-11 00:30 <nebadon> yea thats probably about right OtakuMegane
2015-04-11 00:30 <OtakuMegane> For people who want to play on 4K with all the eye candy XD
2015-04-11 00:30 <nebadon> i know its faster than a 680GTX desktop
2015-04-11 00:30 <nebadon> my friend has
2015-04-11 00:31 <OtakuMegane> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units
2015-04-11 00:31 <OtakuMegane> I use that a lot to compare
2015-04-11 00:32 <nebadon> nice
2015-04-11 00:32 <nebadon> im hopefully going to be upgrading soon
2015-04-11 00:32 <OtakuMegane> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units
2015-04-11 00:32 <nebadon> to a 980M
2015-04-11 00:32 <OtakuMegane> One for AMD/ATI stuff too
2015-04-11 00:33 <nebadon> I need to order a new laptop before Windows 10 comes
2015-04-11 00:33 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-11 00:33 <OtakuMegane> What would be fun if BulletSim manages to handle OpenCL eventuallly, is see what being backed by one of those Titans would be like.
2015-04-11 00:33 <BeyBar> SkyLake is coming, nebadon. I'd wait for it.
2015-04-11 00:34 <nebadon> whats SkyLake?
2015-04-11 00:34 <nebadon> ah
2015-04-11 00:34 <nebadon> im not worried about onboard graphics
2015-04-11 00:34 <nebadon> intel cant touch Nvidia
2015-04-11 00:34 <nebadon> not ever
2015-04-11 00:34 <nebadon> Nvidia utterly destroys intel
2015-04-11 00:35 <nebadon> i love intel and all but they are like 10 year behind nvidia on graphics
2015-04-11 00:35 <BeyBar> Me neither. But it's supposed to be the first significant CPU architecture upgrade since Sandy Bridge.
2015-04-11 00:35 <nebadon> yea I wouldnt hold your breath
2015-04-11 00:35 <nebadon> they say that everytime they make a new GPU
2015-04-11 00:35 <OtakuMegane> Honestly I wouldn't worry about waiting unless you really need the new features. Desktop CPUs are mostly beyond what most people will actually use anyway.
2015-04-11 00:35 <nebadon> it always ends up sucking
2015-04-11 00:35 <BeyBar> Still not talking about the graphics, nebadon. :)
2015-04-11 00:35 <nebadon> the i7 in the machine i want is plenty fast
2015-04-11 00:36 <nebadon> unless you jump like 2 or 3 generations in cpu
2015-04-11 00:36 <nebadon> the speed is generally not significantly changed
2015-04-11 00:36 <nebadon> usually its just less power consumption, less heat, better overclocking
2015-04-11 00:36 <OtakuMegane> If you do heavy video work or something directly intense like that you might run into CPU walls but otherwise you're never going to touch the potential
2015-04-11 00:37 <OtakuMegane> CPUs spend a lot of time waiting around anyway, they're already bottlenecked by memory limitations, much less storage and buses
2015-04-11 00:37 <nebadon> this is next machine I plan to order
2015-04-11 00:37 <nebadon> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834232204&cm_re=Asus_ROG-_-34-232-204-_-Product
2015-04-11 00:37 <nebadon> I just dont want anything that ships with Windows 10
2015-04-11 00:37 <nebadon> since it sounds like Microsoft may be forcing vendors to not be able to disable secure boot
2015-04-11 00:37 <nebadon> could mean trouble dual booting linux
2015-04-11 00:37 <nebadon> i dont want to risk it
2015-04-11 00:38 <BeyBar> I read it the other way, that they are not forcing vendors to enable it.
2015-04-11 00:38 <nebadon> thats not what I read
2015-04-11 00:38 <OtakuMegane> I build my own, so not much an issue. Laptops I still do Apple, they make nice ones if you don't specifically need it for gaming or something
2015-04-11 00:38 <nebadon> http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/201722-linuxs-worst-case-scenario-microsoft-makes-secure-boot-mandatory-locks-out-other-operating-systems
2015-04-11 00:38 <nebadon> it wont completely lock out linux
2015-04-11 00:38 <nebadon> but it makes it a lot more difficult to dual boot
2015-04-11 00:38 <nebadon> especially on external drives
2015-04-11 00:38 <BeyBar> "this time, the off switch (previously mandatory) is now optional"
2015-04-11 00:38 <nebadon> which is generally what i do
2015-04-11 00:39 <nebadon> it was not previously mandatory
2015-04-11 00:39 <nebadon> my current machine ships with windows 8
2015-04-11 00:39 <OtakuMegane> They'll break it eventually. Those kind of things always get broken or subverted
2015-04-11 00:39 <nebadon> it was not mandatory
2015-04-11 00:39 <BeyBar> "Microsoft defused the situation back then by mandating that all x86 systems ship with the ability to disable Secure Boot, and by partnering with VeriSign to create a method of signing third-party binaries in exchange for a $99 fee. With Windows 10, the situation is changing."
2015-04-11 00:40 <nebadon> for people who build their own machines it will be optional
2015-04-11 00:40 <nebadon> if you read
2015-04-11 00:40 <nebadon> but for locked in vendors
2015-04-11 00:40 <nebadon> ie, laptops
2015-04-11 00:40 <nebadon> it may not be optional
2015-04-11 00:40 <nebadon> for OEM vendors
2015-04-11 00:41 <nebadon> like Asus and others
2015-04-11 00:41 <nebadon> has me kind of worried
2015-04-11 00:41 <BeyBar> Just make sure before you buy?
2015-04-11 00:41 <nebadon> its not always clear
2015-04-11 00:41 <nebadon> with brand new machiens
2015-04-11 00:42 <nebadon> and if i wait and it turns out to be true
2015-04-11 00:42 <nebadon> it will be impossible to buy the windows 8 machine anymore
2015-04-11 00:42 <nebadon> generally once microsoft pushes out a new OS, all laptops with windows 8 go away
2015-04-11 00:42 <BeyBar> Any particular reason you need a laptop? When I look for performance, I assemble a tower.
2015-04-11 00:42 <nebadon> high end machines like I am looking at, there are generally not 100s sitting on shelves
2015-04-11 00:43 <nebadon> yes, for travel
2015-04-11 00:43 <nebadon> I have to go to places and do demos, been in europe a bunch lately
2015-04-11 00:43 <nebadon> train students etc..
2015-04-11 00:44 <nebadon> and another reason i want the machine i posted above its about 2.5 pounds lighter than my current machine is
2015-04-11 00:44 <nebadon> and about 3/4 of an inch thinner
2015-04-11 00:44 <nebadon> my current laptop weighs almost 11 pounds
2015-04-11 00:44 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-11 00:45 <nebadon> its 2.25 inches thick
2015-04-11 00:46 <OtakuMegane> I don't really use laptop for gaming, or at least nothing that most couldn't handle decently these days so options a little more open
2015-04-11 00:46 <nebadon> yea I have a pretty nice desktop machine
2015-04-11 00:46 <nebadon> but its not as powerful as the laptop
2015-04-11 00:46 <nebadon> its a 560ti GTX and a i5-3550
2015-04-11 00:46 <nebadon> its about 3.5 years old or so
2015-04-11 00:47 <OtakuMegane> Laptops I've always gone with Powerbook/MacBook Pro. Really nice systems if you're ok sacrificing some GPU power
2015-04-11 00:47 <nebadon> yea thats what I need most
2015-04-11 00:47 <nebadon> most of the time I am running Linux on my lapto
2015-04-11 00:47 <nebadon> i have a nice external SSD USB 3.0 i run opensuse from
2015-04-11 00:47 <nebadon> its fast
2015-04-11 00:47 <OtakuMegane> Cool
2015-04-11 00:48 <nebadon> this machine has 2x128gb SSD Raid plus a 1TB 7200 rpm disk
2015-04-11 00:48 <OtakuMegane> My desktop systems are usually fairly solid things. Then you have my server builds lol
2015-04-11 00:48 <OtakuMegane> I go a bit overboard with that
2015-04-11 00:48 <nebadon> im generally a cheapskate when it comes to hardware
2015-04-11 00:48 <nebadon> the company i work for buys the laptops
2015-04-11 00:48 <nebadon> hehe
2015-04-11 00:49 <nebadon> normally i prefer middle of the road hardware if its my own dollar
2015-04-11 00:49 <OtakuMegane> Well if you're getting someone else to buy it :P
2015-04-11 00:49 <nebadon> so i dont feel bad when in 6 months its outdated already
2015-04-11 00:49 <nebadon> though I havent bought my own hardware in a long time
2015-04-11 00:49 <OtakuMegane> For my desktop stuff I usually buy something solid for my current needs but with potential for upgrading later
2015-04-11 00:49 <nebadon> even my i5 work station, diva got me that one :)
2015-04-11 00:50 <nebadon> i am putting together a new server for myself though
2015-04-11 00:50 <OtakuMegane> My first server and my recent one I crammed as much power in as I could without going broke lol
2015-04-11 00:50 <nebadon> its an 8 core AMD with 16gb ram
2015-04-11 00:50 <nebadon> was crazy cheap
2015-04-11 00:50 <nebadon> im not a fan of AMD, but the price was right
2015-04-11 00:51 <nebadon> i got the chip, memory and motherboard for less than the cost of just an i5 chip would cost me
2015-04-11 00:51 <nebadon> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113285
2015-04-11 00:51 <nebadon> crazy cheap
2015-04-11 00:51 <OtakuMegane> AMD can be good for the price-conscious. They sadly just don't hold up as well in processing power these days.
2015-04-11 00:52 <nebadon> yea 8 core one is about as fast as a 4 core i5 is
2015-04-11 00:52 <nebadon> in the same class of chip
2015-04-11 00:52 <nebadon> same wattage and die size
2015-04-11 00:52 <nebadon> but at like 1/3 the price
2015-04-11 00:52 <nebadon> heh
2015-04-11 00:52 <nebadon> hopefully it works well, for what i need it for it should
2015-04-11 00:52 <OtakuMegane> Yeah
2015-04-11 00:53 <OtakuMegane> My current server is a dual X5670
2015-04-11 00:53 <nebadon> i didnt really need a faster cpu, i needed more ram
2015-04-11 00:53 <nebadon> my current local server only has 8gb ram
2015-04-11 00:53 <nebadon> and its socket 775 and DDR2
2015-04-11 00:53 <nebadon> to upgrade it to 16gb ram is like 400$
2015-04-11 00:53 <nebadon> its insane
2015-04-11 00:53 <OtakuMegane> 96GB for me
2015-04-11 00:54 <nebadon> i got a whole new computer for less money than 16gb DDR2 memory cost
2015-04-11 00:54 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-11 00:54 <nebadon> plus this new machine has 2 slots
2015-04-11 00:54 <OtakuMegane> But I also plan to use this thing for half a decade or so and I don't know what may be hosted on it in the future
2015-04-11 00:54 <nebadon> i can upgrade to 32gb in a few months
2015-04-11 00:54 <nebadon> 2 open slots that is
2015-04-11 00:55 <nebadon> 8gb just wasnt cutting it anymore
2015-04-11 00:55 <OtakuMegane> Yeah, that's kinda low these days for a server
2015-04-11 00:56 <nebadon> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157582
2015-04-11 00:56 <nebadon> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231615
2015-04-11 00:56 <nebadon> I already have a nice case and PSU
2015-04-11 00:56 <nebadon> and a 2tb hard drive
2015-04-11 00:56 <nebadon> should be perfect for my needs
2015-04-11 00:56 <OtakuMegane> Cool
2015-04-11 00:58 <nebadon> I would have prefered intel, but it was twice as much
2015-04-11 00:58 <nebadon> couldnt get anything together on intel for less than like 600$
2015-04-11 00:59 <nebadon> and even at 600$ i wasnt thrilled with then choices
2015-04-11 03:56 <nebadon> https://modemworld.wordpress.com/2015/04/11/using-amazon-appstream-to-stream-a-viewer/
2015-04-11 04:01 <dahlia> nebadon: cool, gratz :)
2015-04-11 04:02 <nebadon> :)
2015-04-11 04:16 <dahlia> multiple colored lights :) http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/csharpRaytracer06.jpg
2015-04-11 04:16 <dahlia> its starting to run kinda slow now lol
2015-04-11 04:17 <nebadon> wow, i guess so
2015-04-11 04:17 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-11 04:17 <nebadon> thats cool
2015-04-11 04:17 <dahlia> all c#, single threaded
2015-04-11 04:17 <nebadon> nice
2015-04-11 05:39 <nebadon> I got AppStream working quite well on my tablet
2015-04-11 05:39 <nebadon> using the Samsung S-Pen and the built in viewer Camera and Navagation widget
2015-04-11 05:39 <nebadon> uploading a video to Youtube, its kind of shakey since i was holding camera in one hand and using stylus with the other
2015-04-11 05:39 <nebadon> but it actually works quite well
2015-04-11 06:10 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLCzFXkZm5Y&feature=youtu.be
2015-04-11 06:14 <dahlia> whats with the duckwalk :P
2015-04-11 06:19 <dahlia> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YY3MSaUqMg
2015-04-11 06:23 <nebadon> HAHA dahlia
2015-04-11 06:23 <nebadon> not bad for one hand on stylus and other on camera
2015-04-11 06:23 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-11 06:23 <nebadon> I love my s-pens
2015-04-11 06:23 <dahlia> lol
2015-04-11 06:27 <zadark> Do not the w,a,s,d touch pad keys work. Also e and c for page up page down?
2015-04-11 06:30 <nebadon> the soft keyboard covers more than 1/2 the screen
2015-04-11 06:30 <nebadon> so no
2015-04-11 06:30 <nebadon> not really
2015-04-11 06:30 <nebadon> as you cant see where you are moving too
2015-04-11 06:30 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-11 06:30 <zadark> lol
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2015-04-11 11:22 <osmantis> Bug #7525:04 OpenSim.ini.example comment for DrawPrimOnMapTile needs to change from false to true 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7525 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-04-11 11:27 <osmantis> Bug #6989:04 Map Tiles: Prims with diagonal GREATER than TexturePrimSize do not have colour applied 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6989 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-04-12 05:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #4121 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-04-12 05:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4121: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4121/
2015-04-12 05:19 <osjenkins> misterblue: Add 'osslEnable.ini' file which enables a restricted set of ossl functions.
2015-04-12 05:50 <smxy> misterblue: I think there's a problem with that.
2015-04-12 05:51 <smxy> If this line is uncommented: ; osslParcelOG = "PARCEL_GROUP_MEMBER,PARCEL_OWNER"
2015-04-12 05:51 <smxy> then a line like this line will be broken: Allow_osGetAgents =               ${XEngine|osslParcelOG}ESTATE_MANAGER,ESTATE_OWNER
2015-04-12 05:52 <smxy> as there will be no comma between PARCEL_OWNER and ESTATE_MANGER
2015-04-12 15:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #4122 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-04-12 15:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4122: SUCCESS in 9 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4122/
2015-04-12 15:11 <osjenkins> misterblue: Add the missing commas to parcel parameter setting in osslEnable.ini
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2015-04-12 17:02 <osmantis> Bug #7526:04 Stand position is wrong when linked seat and root rotation differ 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7526 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
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2015-04-12 17:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #4123 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-04-12 17:16 <osmantis> Bug #7526:04 Stand position is wrong when linked seat and root rotation differ 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7526 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-04-12 17:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4123: SUCCESS in 4 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4123/
2015-04-12 17:20 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: Fix stand position for differing seat and root rotation.
2015-04-12 18:19 <AliciaRaven> anyone else see hg visitors with the name "Unknown UserUMMAU42" some times?
2015-04-12 18:20 <AllenKerensky> yes there's been some reports of that in Lbsa on OSgrid
2015-04-12 18:20 <AliciaRaven> i see the sim uses that name in the user managment modules name cache
2015-04-12 18:21 <AliciaRaven> before it gets the actual data, kind of a place holder name
2015-04-12 18:22 <AllenKerensky> i could be misremembering but I think Justin added the UMMAU42 or whatever during one of the OSCC testing rounds
2015-04-12 18:22 <AllenKerensky> trying to seperate it from other Unknown User instances in the code
2015-04-12 18:25 <AliciaRaven> i see the most recent changes to that code were by freaky tech last month, wonder if its caused a regression
2015-04-12 18:29 <AllenKerensky> would take a git bisect likely to figure it out
2015-04-12 18:30 <AliciaRaven> yes that block of code that sets that name was added last month my freaky, i will create a mantis about it later
2015-04-12 18:31 <AliciaRaven> by freaky* just used git blame to check the code block that sets that temp name
2015-04-12 18:55 <osmantis> Bug #7527:04 Seeing alot of HG users with the name Unknown UserUMMAU42 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7527 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-04-12 18:55 <AliciaRaven> AllenKerensky, could u add a note to that mantis to say its also been seen on osg?
2015-04-12 18:56 <AllenKerensky> for the right price...
2015-04-12 18:57 <osmantis> Bug #7527:04 Seeing alot of HG users with the name Unknown UserUMMAU42 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7527 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-12 18:57 <AliciaRaven> lol ty
2015-04-12 19:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #4124 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-04-12 19:17 <osmantis> Bug #7524:04 llTargetOmega ignores gain arguement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7524 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-12 19:18 <osmantis> Bug #7524:04 llTargetOmega ignores gain arguement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7524 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-04-12 19:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4124: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4124/
2015-04-12 19:22 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: Fix llTargetOmega non-physical gain.
2015-04-12 19:26 <osmantis> Bug #7508:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast cannot set path cut as small as the viewer can do 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7508 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-04-12 19:27 <nebadon> Misterblue ping
2015-04-12 19:27 <nebadon> was this applied > http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7509
2015-04-12 19:27 <nebadon> ?
2015-04-12 19:28 <danbanner> looks like it was
2015-04-12 19:30 <nebadon> yea it was
2015-04-12 19:30 <osmantis> Bug #7509:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams can't set some prim parameters as small as the viewer can 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7509 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-04-12 19:30 <nebadon> Misterblue make sure you set the mantis to resolved when you apply them
2015-04-12 19:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #4125 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-04-12 19:59 <osmantis> Bug #7520:04 [PATCH] UserProfilePicks saves pick location as parcel owner name instead of parcel name 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7520 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-12 19:59 <osmantis> Bug #7520:04 [PATCH] UserProfilePicks saves pick location as parcel owner name instead of parcel name 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7520 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-04-12 20:02 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, about that patch, do u think the db fields name should be changed?
2015-04-12 20:02 <nebadon> hmmm probably not
2015-04-12 20:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4125: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4125/
2015-04-12 20:02 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: Change UserProfiles so that the parcel name is used for a ProfilePick and not the parcel owners name. This change also fixes a bug where if the avatar enters and does not move, creating or editing a ProfilePick would set the parcelId as an empty UUID. This is because ScenePresence.currentParcelUUID is not set until the avatar moves.
2015-04-12 20:02 <nebadon> not without discussion on email list anyway
2015-04-12 20:03 <AliciaRaven> the field is called user but now it holds the parcel name, might be confusing for future reference
2015-04-12 20:03 <nebadon> because some people may have integrated profiles into websites etc..
2015-04-12 20:03 <nebadon> hmm
2015-04-12 20:03 <nebadon> shoot an email to the email list to see what people think
2015-04-12 20:03 <nebadon> i dont want be the only person who decides on that
2015-04-12 20:03 <nebadon> need to be careful with database changes
2015-04-12 20:04 <AliciaRaven> yep, k will do :)
2015-04-12 22:40 <misterblue> ya... changing database field names could break lots of things
2015-04-12 23:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #4126 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-04-12 23:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4126: SUCCESS in 4 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4126/
2015-04-12 23:09 <osjenkins> misterblue: Move osslEnable.ini file from bin/ to bin/config-include.
2015-04-12 23:13 <Melanie_T> misterblue: looks lke that is good to go now
2015-04-12 23:14 <Melanie_T> the question is, how can we enable it for all the people whodon't care
2015-04-12 23:14 <misterblue> yes :)
2015-04-12 23:14 <Melanie_T> while making sure people who DO care don't get int enabled for them wihout consent?
2015-04-12 23:16 <misterblue> I'm thinking that a few people running their own grids are the ones who care... most OSGrid regions want them enabled
2015-04-12 23:27 <dahlia> osgrid has their own configs they publish
2015-04-12 23:43 <Melanie_T> misterblue: the users i am concerned abut are the ones who run a sim-on-a-stick or basic download
2015-04-12 23:43 <nebadon> yea its enabled by default i OSgrid
2015-04-12 23:43 <Melanie_T> they don't folow this list
2015-04-12 23:43 <nebadon> most of those people are running localhost standalones
2015-04-12 23:43 <nebadon> so why should that be a problem?
2015-04-12 23:43 <Melanie_T> and they don't know the ristks an dangers yet freely allow friends on
2015-04-12 23:43 <Melanie_T> many have only admin account because why bother with security
2015-04-12 23:44 <Melanie_T> now, just one bad egg and kaboom
2015-04-12 23:44 <Melanie_T> that is the user class i'm concerned about
2015-04-12 23:44 <Melanie_T> it could turn them off opensim
2015-04-12 23:45 <Melanie_T> if they get walked over by every jack shit
2015-04-12 23:45 <Melanie_T> excuse my french
2015-04-12 23:45 <nebadon> well its enabeld by default in OSgrid
2015-04-12 23:45 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-04-12 23:45 <nebadon> perhaps land permissions should be set to group only for scripts
2015-04-12 23:45 <nebadon> by default
2015-04-12 23:45 <Melanie_T> but the osgridscape is different from the "oh a new download! shiniy…."
2015-04-12 23:45 <Melanie_T> scene
2015-04-12 23:45 <nebadon> so basically by default only parcel owner / grid owner can run scripts
2015-04-12 23:46 <Melanie_T> wouldn't help
2015-04-12 23:46 <Melanie_T> as i said
2015-04-12 23:46 <Melanie_T> many people don't bother with security
2015-04-12 23:46 <Melanie_T> other packages have shown that
2015-04-12 23:46 <dahlia> there's probably a lot of os functions that are totally harmless
2015-04-12 23:46 <nebadon> why should we cater to people who dont care about security?
2015-04-12 23:46 <Melanie_T> instead of adding proper user acls, the owner just makes everyone an admin
2015-04-12 23:47 <Melanie_T> dahlia: IMHO, non are harmless
2015-04-12 23:47 <Melanie_T> neither, to be honest, are many lsl functions
2015-04-12 23:47 <Melanie_T> the texture draw functions are lag hogs
2015-04-12 23:47 <Melanie_T> the animation functions major nuisances
2015-04-12 23:47 <dahlia> lol well just running a simulator probably isnt harmless either
2015-04-12 23:47 <Melanie_T> the teleport functions can be used to HG teleport unsuspecting users to commercial offering
2015-04-12 23:47 <nebadon> LSL isnt harmless either
2015-04-12 23:47 <Melanie_T> etc.
2015-04-12 23:48 <nebadon> this is a weak argument at best
2015-04-12 23:48 <Melanie_T> for every use case, there are more than 5 abuse cases
2015-04-12 23:48 <Melanie_T> i don't advocate abstinence
2015-04-12 23:48 <nebadon> sure we are not saying all functions enabled
2015-04-12 23:48 <nebadon> just OSSL
2015-04-12 23:48 <Melanie_T> but urge caution
2015-04-12 23:48 <nebadon> with rules for other
2015-04-12 23:48 <nebadon> the ones that are problematic
2015-04-12 23:48 <nebadon> make it owner only
2015-04-12 23:48 <nebadon> more people are running OSSL than not
2015-04-12 23:49 <nebadon> people are going to enable it
2015-04-12 23:49 <Melanie_T> making it owner only will inconvenience the ones who do want to run it
2015-04-12 23:49 <nebadon> so whats the point
2015-04-12 23:49 <nebadon> were just making things harder for people
2015-04-12 23:49 <Melanie_T> i believe MB's approach is good
2015-04-12 23:49 <nebadon> by giving them some false sense of security when its disabled
2015-04-12 23:49 <dahlia> put a note in the ini.example "If you're paranoid, or you invite anonymous hackers to your personal sandbox, consider disabling ossl"
2015-04-12 23:49 <Melanie_T> to set up a basic permissions setup that will fit most cases
2015-04-12 23:49 <nebadon> ive literally never seen it abused
2015-04-12 23:49 <nebadon> not once ever
2015-04-12 23:50 <nebadon> so to me this argument is pure nonsense
2015-04-12 23:50 <Melanie_T> read above
2015-04-12 23:50 <Melanie_T> i am FOR what mb is doing
2015-04-12 23:50 <nebadon> yea I think its a good approach
2015-04-12 23:50 <Melanie_T> my concern is only with letting EVERYONE know, not only people on this list
2015-04-12 23:50 <Melanie_T> that the change is coming
2015-04-12 23:50 <nebadon> yea thats always good
2015-04-12 23:51 <Melanie_T> so that those who absolutely don't want it don't get steamrolled
2015-04-12 23:51 <dahlia> isnt sim on a stick no longer maintained anyway?
2015-04-12 23:51 <misterblue> with the osslEnable.ini file, the functions are not turned on willy-nilly... really dangerous ones are not available
2015-04-12 23:51 <Melanie_T> misterblue: that is why i consider that approach a good one
2015-04-12 23:51 <dahlia> I thought whatshername who did SOAS moved on to bigger and better things
2015-04-12 23:52 <misterblue> and without ossl functions, one can just create thread-number looping scripts and freese the region
2015-04-12 23:52 <Melanie_T> maybe so
2015-04-12 23:52 <Melanie_T> but then diva
2015-04-12 23:52 <Melanie_T> whatever
2015-04-12 23:52 <Melanie_T> there is alays a starter sim pack
2015-04-12 23:52 <misterblue> if people can run any script they want, bad things will happen with or without ossl functions
2015-04-12 23:52 <nebadon> yea its pretty easy to clobber a region with just LSL and Xengine alone
2015-04-12 23:52 <Melanie_T> misterblue: to be perfectly honest
2015-04-12 23:52 <nebadon> i have seen that happen a lot
2015-04-12 23:53 <Melanie_T> i can wreak more havoc on a sim using just lsl on xengine than i could using only ossl
2015-04-12 23:53 <nebadon> the only OSSL function i saw abused a few times very early on
2015-04-12 23:53 <nebadon> was osTeleportAgent
2015-04-12 23:53 <dahlia> ya I dont need ossl to crash a sim
2015-04-12 23:53 <nebadon> but then it was changed to region owner only i think
2015-04-12 23:53 <AllenKerensky> [XEngine] MinThread/MaxThread is yo friend...
2015-04-12 23:53 <Melanie_T> adam's animation ones are pretty bad, too
2015-04-12 23:53 <Melanie_T> remember the gta4 rape hack?
2015-04-12 23:54 <nebadon> yea the animation ones are a nuisance at worst
2015-04-12 23:54 <Melanie_T> they allow stuff lke that
2015-04-12 23:54 <nebadon> cant really do any damage
2015-04-12 23:54 <Melanie_T> nebadon: it's not a niusance when a rl rape victim reflashes because someone plays a rape anim on them
2015-04-12 23:54 <nebadon> but there is stuff like that in SL too heh
2015-04-12 23:54 <nebadon> honestly though you could easily trick someone into clicking LSL
2015-04-12 23:54 <Melanie_T> that stuff can lead to suicides
2015-04-12 23:54 <nebadon> that animates them or others
2015-04-12 23:55 <Melanie_T> the osAnimate* functions need to be removed IMHO
2015-04-12 23:55 <misterblue> the animation and teleport ones are limited to estate owner/manager
2015-04-12 23:56 <nebadon> well i can see having it be completely disabled by default
2015-04-12 23:56 <Melanie_T> they can actually harm psychchologically vlatile people
2015-04-12 23:56 <nebadon> but removal seems overboard to me
2015-04-12 23:56 <nebadon> especially on that argument
2015-04-12 23:56 <nebadon> so can words
2015-04-12 23:56 <nebadon> should we remove chat too?
2015-04-12 23:56 <Melanie_T> not in the same way
2015-04-12 23:56 <nebadon> and voice?
2015-04-12 23:56 <Melanie_T> immersive is pretty damn immersive
2015-04-12 23:56 <nebadon> i dunno, that argument is unconvincing to me
2015-04-12 23:56 <Melanie_T> for vitims, flashbacks are usually visual
2015-04-12 23:56 <nebadon> i could play a video
2015-04-12 23:57 <nebadon> should we remove video
2015-04-12 23:57 <Melanie_T> read up on it then
2015-04-12 23:57 <nebadon> where do we draw the line
2015-04-12 23:57 <Melanie_T> video doesn't convey the same sense of self
2015-04-12 23:57 <nebadon> i am sorry but i dont bow to assholes
2015-04-12 23:57 <nebadon> because something may or may not happen
2015-04-12 23:57 <nebadon> we cant prevent this stuff
2015-04-12 23:57 <nebadon> and we shouldnt be trying to
2015-04-12 23:57 <nebadon> its software
2015-04-12 23:57 <Melanie_T> we CAN prevent avatar animation wothout permissio
2015-04-12 23:57 <nebadon> people will bend it no matter what we do
2015-04-12 23:58 <nebadon> sure
2015-04-12 23:58 <misterblue> the osAvatarPlayAnimation function is not generally available if ossl functions are enabled with the INI file
2015-04-12 23:58 <nebadon> but we dont have to remove it completely
2015-04-12 23:58 <Melanie_T> osAnimate ha sno permission checks
2015-04-12 23:58 <nebadon> it has good uses
2015-04-12 23:58 <misterblue> so it is a moot arguement
2015-04-12 23:58 <nebadon> well improve security is one thing
2015-04-12 23:58 <nebadon> completely remove is another
2015-04-12 23:58 <nebadon> I am all for making it better
2015-04-12 23:58 <Melanie_T> it was written to allow animating avatars in sync to music for a single concert application adam had
2015-04-12 23:58 <nebadon> but just stripping it on this predecation i dont support that
2015-04-12 23:58 <Melanie_T> the npc functions allow to do that without bot avatar logins nowadays
2015-04-12 23:58 <misterblue> 
ACTION doesn't want to even think about all the permission problems OS probably has

2015-04-12 23:59 <Melanie_T> if adam were to stage his concert today, he'd use NPCs
2015-04-12 23:59 <Melanie_T> and wouldn't need these functons
2015-04-12 23:59 <Melanie_T> i have opposed core inclusion of them from the start
2015-04-12 23:59 <Melanie_T> and will continue to do so
2015-04-12 23:59 <nebadon> ya I don't disagree that osAnimate stuff should ask you for permissions like the LSL stuff does
2015-04-12 23:59 <misterblue> the NPC functions?
2015-04-13 00:00 <Melanie_T> there is no justification for a functio that animate your avatar agaunst your willwithout a way for you to stop it
2015-04-13 00:00 <nebadon> but for npcs of course it would need to not require it
2015-04-13 00:00 <nebadon> I do use that stuff alot for NPCs
2015-04-13 00:00 <nebadon> never really use it for avatars
2015-04-13 00:00 <Melanie_T> the only difference between osAnimate* and the LSL stuff is that they don't need permissions
2015-04-13 00:00 <Melanie_T> that is just so evil
2015-04-13 00:01 <Melanie_T> have osNPCPlayAnimation
2015-04-13 00:01 <Melanie_T> and remove the avatar version
2015-04-13 00:01 <Melanie_T> source code level commenting
2015-04-13 00:01 <Melanie_T> the code can continue in commented form
2015-04-13 00:01 <Melanie_T> but it should not be just configuration to turn that one
2015-04-13 00:01 <nebadon> couldnt we just easily set it to false in OpenSimDefaults as well?
2015-04-13 00:02 <Melanie_T> i've known enoygh rape and child abuse victims to take a stand on this
2015-04-13 00:02 <misterblue> aren't there RLV-ish uses? Some interactions are consenting
2015-04-13 00:02 <Melanie_T> some aren't with us anymore
2015-04-13 00:02 <Melanie_T> RLV is client side and opt-in
2015-04-13 00:03 <Melanie_T> some viewers have it on by default
2015-04-13 00:03 <Melanie_T> but the avination viewer has it off
2015-04-13 00:03 <Melanie_T> guess why
2015-04-13 00:03 <misterblue> using an inworld script that does such things could be opt-in
2015-04-13 00:03 <misterblue> just saying that they have uses and but there are mis-use cases
2015-04-13 00:04 <Melanie_T> osAnimateAvatar needs to go
2015-04-13 00:04 <nebadon> Melanie_T your argument could be used to disable almost every function in the software
2015-04-13 00:04 <nebadon> while i have compassion, i dont think its a good argument
2015-04-13 00:04 <Melanie_T> no. people identify with their avatar in a visceral way
2015-04-13 00:04 <Melanie_T> if their avatar is "killed" in a roleplay anim, they soffer personal discomfort
2015-04-13 00:05 <Melanie_T> etc/
2015-04-13 00:05 <AllenKerensky> why can't osAnimateAvatar just be made a wrapper to the regular LSL animation call?
2015-04-13 00:05 <Melanie_T> you can trigger PTSD episodes by animating an avatar
2015-04-13 00:05 <Melanie_T> pretty much nothing else in the opensim environment can do this
2015-04-13 00:05 <misterblue> and you could also animate getting hit with a weapon in a role-play world
2015-04-13 00:05 <AllenKerensky> especially when the current root of this OSSL business is to easily see the physics engine in use
2015-04-13 00:05 <Melanie_T> AllenKerensky: the main distinction of the os* call is asking no permission
2015-04-13 00:06 <Melanie_T> if you want ot ask permission, you ca just as well remove osANimateAvatar
2015-04-13 00:06 <misterblue> while blinking lights can cause epilepsoy attacks, we can't get rid of all blinking lights
2015-04-13 00:06 <nebadon> yea well I am totally fine with the permission thing
2015-04-13 00:06 <Melanie_T> and make people cll the LL version
2015-04-13 00:06 <AllenKerensky> yeah I am just saying don't get rid of it - just make it a wrapper - no content breaks but the objectionable part disappears
2015-04-13 00:06 <nebadon> as long as there is a way to animate npc's
2015-04-13 00:06 <Melanie_T> nebadon: +1
2015-04-13 00:06 <nebadon> it would be good to have a way to re-enable the avatar function forced as well
2015-04-13 00:06 <nebadon> but i am totally fine with it being totally disabled
2015-04-13 00:06 <Melanie_T> of course NPCs must be animated even if not sitting
2015-04-13 00:06 <nebadon> there are good use cases for it
2015-04-13 00:07 <misterblue> well, all these functions can be misused... one reason they are not generally available even if ossl functions are enabled with the INI file
2015-04-13 00:07 <nebadon> in controlled environments
2015-04-13 00:07 <nebadon> but seriously though
2015-04-13 00:07 <Melanie_T> i don't see a one
2015-04-13 00:07 <Melanie_T> not since NPC were added
2015-04-13 00:07 <nebadon> you could just as easily trick someone into sitting on an objet
2015-04-13 00:07 <nebadon> and getting the same results without asking to animate them
2015-04-13 00:07 <Melanie_T> then they stand up and the trp is over
2015-04-13 00:07 <AllenKerensky> osAnimate is extremely useful in some game huds
2015-04-13 00:08 <Melanie_T> the user can NOT defend against osAnimateAvatar
2015-04-13 00:08 <Melanie_T> there is no way to stp it
2015-04-13 00:08 <AllenKerensky> for example - a star trek game where the engineer needs to climb into a jeffries tube
2015-04-13 00:08 <Melanie_T> AllenKerensky: he can consent
2015-04-13 00:08 <AllenKerensky> the object in the set can just start them off on the climb
2015-04-13 00:08 <AllenKerensky> yeah usually you have to put on a hud or sit down
2015-04-13 00:09 <AllenKerensky> what about directly interactive objects like that?
2015-04-13 00:09 <Melanie_T> can be done in a hud that uses a function that makes you consent
2015-04-13 00:09 <Melanie_T> so you can take off the hud if youre uncomfortabel
2015-04-13 00:09 <Melanie_T> osAnimateAvatar is conceptually evil
2015-04-13 00:09 <AllenKerensky> feh - if you have so many emotional problems - you don't need to be on an adult grid , you need to be in therapy or other supervised environments
2015-04-13 00:09 <Melanie_T> it allows no control, no consent
2015-04-13 00:10 <Melanie_T> we can't keep people with these probems off
2015-04-13 00:10 <Melanie_T> but we can block ONE function
2015-04-13 00:10 <AllenKerensky> the old "do you save people from themselves or not" arguement - use at your own risk
2015-04-13 00:10 <Melanie_T> to make them less vulnerable
2015-04-13 00:11 <AllenKerensky> yeah I thougt the OSSL ini thing was a good way to do that
2015-04-13 00:11 <Melanie_T> well, it would need to set that function to false
2015-04-13 00:11 <Melanie_T> and if it's needed for NPC
2015-04-13 00:11 <Melanie_T> then a NPC-only replacement is needed
2015-04-13 00:11 <AllenKerensky> just add a block in it before osAnimate "warning enabling this can allow forced animations which can trigger traumatic episodes in vulnerable populations" with a link to an article
2015-04-13 00:12 <Melanie_T> good approach
2015-04-13 00:12 <Melanie_T> i do want to say at this point that i'm not oe of those people although i AM a PTSD sufferer
2015-04-13 00:12 <AllenKerensky> but - OpenSim seriously needs to let people see what physics are in use
2015-04-13 00:12 <Melanie_T> my episodes get triggered by imagery like films, though
2015-04-13 00:13 <AllenKerensky> and that's part of what motivated the change etc yadda
2015-04-13 00:13 <danbanner> ya the function does have uses and its already being used responsibly in a lot of content
2015-04-13 00:13 <Melanie_T> not animations on an avatar
2015-04-13 00:13 <danbanner> removing it would break stuff
2015-04-13 00:13 <Melanie_T> would making it ask permissio break stuff?
2015-04-13 00:14 <Melanie_T> like
2015-04-13 00:14 <Melanie_T> if (target nt nopc)
2015-04-13 00:14 <Melanie_T>     ask_permission()
2015-04-13 00:14 <danbanner> well as long as it worked i doubt it would break it
2015-04-13 00:14 <danbanner> some may find it annoying
2015-04-13 00:15 <Melanie_T> we all have to agree that with the advent of npcs, using avatars as perfomers isn't necessary anmore
2015-04-13 00:15 <danbanner> most modern viewers have a "stop animating my avatar" feature
2015-04-13 00:15 <nebadon> we also can't say with certainty though that some people may rely on it
2015-04-13 00:16 <nebadon> so I am all for making it more difficult, but I am not sure total removal is warranted
2015-04-13 00:16 <Melanie_T> danbanner: that stops the currently running anim
2015-04-13 00:16 <Melanie_T> another can be started though
2015-04-13 00:16 <Melanie_T> it doesn't revoke any permission
2015-04-13 00:16 <Melanie_T> and most importantly
2015-04-13 00:16 <Melanie_T> it may save YOU from seeing your avatar raped
2015-04-13 00:16 <Melanie_T> but the onlookers will still see it happen
2015-04-13 00:17 <Melanie_T> because it's scpe is local
2015-04-13 00:17 <danbanner> alt-f4 works too
2015-04-13 00:17 <Melanie_T> so, a small relief but not what i'm aiming for
2015-04-13 00:17 <Melanie_T> danbanner: believe me when i tell you that the people in question get the "doe in the hadlight" thing
2015-04-13 00:17 <Melanie_T> they can't quit
2015-04-13 00:18 <Melanie_T> look at the gta4 rape hack
2015-04-13 00:18 <Melanie_T> and th repercussions
2015-04-13 00:18 <Melanie_T> it allowd male players in multiplayer mode (single doesn't allow female players) to rape females
2015-04-13 00:18 <AllenKerensky> and how many times has that been reported for osAnimate?
2015-04-13 00:19 <Melanie_T> oAnimate has been off in most instals
2015-04-13 00:19 <Melanie_T> and tha is a good thing
2015-04-13 00:19 <AllenKerensky> so there you go
2015-04-13 00:19 <AllenKerensky> who is turning it on by default?
2015-04-13 00:19 <misterblue> and we are not turning on that function for anyone to use... it is restricted for these reasons
2015-04-13 00:19 <Melanie_T> i firmly believe it needs a permissions check
2015-04-13 00:19 <misterblue> I don't know what we're arguing here.... 
2015-04-13 00:19 <Melanie_T> or be remvoed
2015-04-13 00:19 <Melanie_T> in either case
2015-04-13 00:19 <danbanner> i think it just needs to be kept false but left functional for those that require it
2015-04-13 00:19 <Melanie_T> something that is impossible to bypass unless you edit source
2015-04-13 00:20 <Melanie_T> 'm arguing the case for vulnerable people
2015-04-13 00:20 <Melanie_T> as no one else seems to care
2015-04-13 00:21 <AllenKerensky> pffft people care - but in the face of years with it in opensim without a rash of victims its hard to get hysterical about it
2015-04-13 00:21 <misterblue> doing permission for animations is good in general... but always needing them cuts off a possible consentual use... which I think is most of the use
2015-04-13 00:21 <Melanie_T> i should have put my foot down when adam added it
2015-04-13 00:21 <danbanner> did something happen in opensim or something recently?
2015-04-13 00:21 <misterblue> what's the problem Dan?
2015-04-13 00:21 <danbanner> no problem really
2015-04-13 00:21 <AllenKerensky> so its been a config option all this time - what is the harm of leaving it a config option = false?
2015-04-13 00:22 <AllenKerensky> and why is this the key sticking call when the driver for recent discussion was physics
2015-04-13 00:22 <danbanner> permission check would be perferred over removal
2015-04-13 00:22 <Melanie_T> my driver as ossl
2015-04-13 00:22 <Melanie_T> which was off by default, keeeping people safe
2015-04-13 00:22 <Melanie_T> now it's supposed to be on by default
2015-04-13 00:22 <AllenKerensky> and turning it on is not the same as turning on osAnimate
2015-04-13 00:22 <AllenKerensky> so - it doesn't seem an issue
2015-04-13 00:23 <Melanie_T> ad i'm doing my level best to keep the most harmful stuff off
2015-04-13 00:23 <misterblue> so it is off
2015-04-13 00:23 <Melanie_T> and what is the physics stuff?
2015-04-13 00:23 <AllenKerensky> yeah but it seems like you're conflating two separate things into one objection
2015-04-13 00:23 <misterblue> I started the ossl enable by default because scripters wanted a test to see if it was BulletSim or ODE
2015-04-13 00:23 <AllenKerensky> personally I agree - osAnimate as a default on is a bad surprise waiting to happen
2015-04-13 00:23 <Melanie_T> huh? i'm ONLY talking about dangerous OSSL functiions that could trigger suicides
2015-04-13 00:24 <Melanie_T> i don't know where physcs come into this?
2015-04-13 00:24 <AllenKerensky> scripts don't have the ability to see the physics type without OSSL
2015-04-13 00:24 <Melanie_T> well, i'm against letting script determine physics
2015-04-13 00:24 <Melanie_T> reason:
2015-04-13 00:24 <AllenKerensky> and that's what RAdams was asked for among other bits that led him to commit an example OSSL ini
2015-04-13 00:24 <misterblue> see above... and my belief that leaving ossl function off was inhibiting what OS could be... it is not an SL clone
2015-04-13 00:25 <Melanie_T> it would allow a proliferation on fidfferent physics parameters and completely thwart any attempt at a unified physics behaviour where scripters can code agains a known set of conditions
2015-04-13 00:25 <Melanie_T> and depend o it working
2015-04-13 00:25 <AllenKerensky> actually that's the problem 
2015-04-13 00:25 <misterblue> BUT THERE IS NO UNIFIED PHYSICS!!!
2015-04-13 00:25 <AllenKerensky> people with ODE scripts on bullet regions
2015-04-13 00:25 <AllenKerensky> amen misterblue amen
2015-04-13 00:26 <danbanner> ya making content that works on either script engine will have to have a way to know what physics engine is in use
2015-04-13 00:26 <misterblue> people run ODE... people run BulletSim... what's a scripter to do???
2015-04-13 00:26 <Melanie_T> i believe that the meaning of dammping, friction, etc params shold be normalized by the phsics devs to conform to the sl standard
2015-04-13 00:26 <Melanie_T> so script don't need a section for each engine
2015-04-13 00:26 <danbanner> s/script/physics
2015-04-13 00:26 <AllenKerensky> he did as far as I can see - its called BulletSim - but ODE people are ticked their scripts don't automatically work anymore
2015-04-13 00:26 <nebadon> literally no one is working on ODE
2015-04-13 00:26 <misterblue> agree Nelanie.... the physics engines should be perfect... but they are not
2015-04-13 00:26 <danbanner> i doubt anyone is gonna change ODE to match sl or bullet
2015-04-13 00:26 <AllenKerensky> and they can't see a way to have their script whine when rezzed on a bullet region
2015-04-13 00:26 <nebadon> so unless we have plans to conjure more devs i just dont see that happening
2015-04-13 00:26 <Melanie_T> then introduce factoring, offsets, etc
2015-04-13 00:27 <Melanie_T> so 7 means 7
2015-04-13 00:27 <Melanie_T> not 7 in ode is 6.85 in bullet
2015-04-13 00:27 <AllenKerensky> or just let the existing os physics engine call work
2015-04-13 00:27 <danbanner> that would require ODE rewrite wouldnt it?
2015-04-13 00:27 <Melanie_T> the onus for sl parameter compatibility lies with the physocs developer
2015-04-13 00:27 <AllenKerensky> ... or extend an LSL call to show the physics engine and leave OSSL disabled by default
2015-04-13 00:28 <misterblue> but what is a scriptor to do if they don't?
2015-04-13 00:28 <Melanie_T> moving ot to the scripter will only result in scripts that won't work if someone chooses physics engine x
2015-04-13 00:28 <AllenKerensky> that already happens
2015-04-13 00:28 <AllenKerensky> right now today and is why some content makers have *stopped*
2015-04-13 00:28 <danbanner> i thought this ability to determine the physics engine was to have functionality between ODE vs Bullet?
2015-04-13 00:28 <misterblue> This is an enabling thing.... increasing freedom.... allowing the scripter to 'fix' the problem while the physics engineers work on their end
2015-04-13 00:29 <Melanie_T> misterblue: the bullet vehicle params hould be fed though formulae that make the inut be ode compatible and the output create mathing behavior in bullet
2015-04-13 00:29 <AllenKerensky> ugh
2015-04-13 00:29 <AllenKerensky> I don't want bullet to work like ODE
2015-04-13 00:29 <danbanner> like a wrapper?
2015-04-13 00:29 <Melanie_T> letting people make scripts specifi to physics enginees is s recipe for disaster
2015-04-13 00:29 <misterblue> it would be nice to have vehicle scripts that work whereever they are run... at the moment that is totally not possible
2015-04-13 00:29 <AllenKerensky> I want bullet to work
2015-04-13 00:29 <AllenKerensky> we already have to
2015-04-13 00:29 <nebadon> yea should be the other way around heh
2015-04-13 00:29 <nebadon> since Bullet works a lot better
2015-04-13 00:29 <danbanner> ya
2015-04-13 00:29 <AllenKerensky> my plane flies in SL and on bullet - ODE it just slams into the region wall
2015-04-13 00:29 <misterblue> even if it is a bad idea, we don't need to be the ones to make it so scripters can't decide that for themselves
2015-04-13 00:29 <nebadon> the problem is no one is maintaining ODE
2015-04-13 00:30 <nebadon> very few people actually use it anhymore
2015-04-13 00:30 <AllenKerensky> ODE is dead as Tutenkamen
2015-04-13 00:30 <nebadon> the people who use it
2015-04-13 00:30 <nebadon> if their scripts break they will throw a fit
2015-04-13 00:30 <danbanner> ya whos gonna rewrite ode?
2015-04-13 00:30 <AllenKerensky> and yet its holding back... oh... everything else
2015-04-13 00:30 <Melanie_T> misterblue: if you let scripters see the physics in use
2015-04-13 00:30 <Melanie_T> and adapt to it
2015-04-13 00:30 <Melanie_T> it means ALL scripts will fail when a new physics engine comes around
2015-04-13 00:30 <AllenKerensky> even SL has havok issue problems
2015-04-13 00:31 <nebadon> ya everytime SL upgrades havok
2015-04-13 00:31 <Melanie_T> LSL physics parameters need to mean the same thing in every engine
2015-04-13 00:31 <nebadon> vehicles break
2015-04-13 00:31 <misterblue> today, HALF scripts fail with existing physics engines
2015-04-13 00:31 <AllenKerensky> my script would work on havok 1 or 4 and fail on 7
2015-04-13 00:31 <Melanie_T> we dont' need to be as bad as SL
2015-04-13 00:31 <AllenKerensky> no, we just need the os physics engine call to work
2015-04-13 00:31 <nebadon> no im just saying that may be an impossible task
2015-04-13 00:31 <Melanie_T> so I say any numeric value for any ohysics apram needs to work the same on every engine
2015-04-13 00:31 <nebadon> when even just going from 1 revision of bullet to another
2015-04-13 00:31 <nebadon> could change things
2015-04-13 00:31 <misterblue> I'm giving scriptor tools to fix a problem they see
2015-04-13 00:31 <AllenKerensky> then we can say "oh, I wrote this for ODE and you're on bullet - er ... no"
2015-04-13 00:32 <Melanie_T> so some engines nmay need to do more munging than others
2015-04-13 00:32 <Melanie_T> but save the scripters from that onus
2015-04-13 00:32 <AllenKerensky> or vice versa "my stuff flies on bullet and you're using that old piece of junk unmaintained ODE"
2015-04-13 00:32 <misterblue> I don't want to just tell them 'there is no problem' and let the be frustrated
2015-04-13 00:32 <nebadon> and neither of our physics engines
2015-04-13 00:32 <Melanie_T> or you sacrifice interoperablity
2015-04-13 00:32 <nebadon> can be considered complete
2015-04-13 00:32 <Melanie_T> and any future engines
2015-04-13 00:32 <misterblue> they might not make the best decisions, but they are theirs to make
2015-04-13 00:32 <danbanner> i think the ossl to detect the physics engine was to allow some vehicles to use ODE mode on ODE and normal SL/Bulletsim code on bullet
2015-04-13 00:32 <AllenKerensky> its not interoperable now
2015-04-13 00:32 <danbanner> since there are some ODE holdouts
2015-04-13 00:32 <AllenKerensky> and ODE never will be
2015-04-13 00:33 <AllenKerensky> since no one, including ODE themselves - are supporting it
2015-04-13 00:33 <Melanie_T> bullet is still a memory hog
2015-04-13 00:33 <AllenKerensky> irrelevant
2015-04-13 00:33 <AllenKerensky> this is about content builders
2015-04-13 00:33 <AllenKerensky> and I do believe bullet is already default
2015-04-13 00:33 <nebadon> scripting is way worse on memory
2015-04-13 00:33 <nebadon> its 10 times worse than physics
2015-04-13 00:33 <AllenKerensky> so its about helping legacy content
2015-04-13 00:33 <Melanie_T> not irrelevant when yo need to prode a commercial offering where memory consumption figured into the cost
2015-04-13 00:33 <AllenKerensky> i don't need that so it is irrelevant
2015-04-13 00:34 <misterblue> well, don't use it... your choice
2015-04-13 00:34 <AllenKerensky> but I do need to have content that works - especially in default - or a workaround that can tell me how to work or not
2015-04-13 00:34 <misterblue> OS is a base that people build on... we give people tools
2015-04-13 00:34 <nebadon> yea the big problem is
2015-04-13 00:34 <AllenKerensky> and a modular platform needs a way to see the modular config
2015-04-13 00:34 <nebadon> we have like 2 maybe 3 physics maintainers
2015-04-13 00:34 <nebadon> and 1000 scripters
2015-04-13 00:35 <AllenKerensky> so the content developers on hte modular platform can adapt accordingly
2015-04-13 00:35 <AllenKerensky> or - pick one and deprecate the rest as unsupported after version X
2015-04-13 00:35 <nebadon> in a perfect world with lots of developers on hand we could worry about consistency between engines
2015-04-13 00:35 <nebadon> but were pretty far from perfect there
2015-04-13 00:35 <nebadon> one physics project is completely dead pretty much
2015-04-13 00:35 <Melanie_T> i believe consistency is a requirement
2015-04-13 00:35 <AllenKerensky> it isn't for database access
2015-04-13 00:35 <nebadon> in the past year i think there may have been 1 tweak to ODE
2015-04-13 00:35 <Melanie_T> there WILL be a third engine
2015-04-13 00:35 <Melanie_T> and a fourth
2015-04-13 00:35 <AllenKerensky> why does it have to be for physics
2015-04-13 00:36 <AllenKerensky> yeah we have 4 database interfaces already
2015-04-13 00:36 <Melanie_T> and scripters can't be expected to maintain different constanrs for each
2015-04-13 00:36 <AllenKerensky> I've been hitting my head on that actually which is why its so painfully apparent
2015-04-13 00:36 <AllenKerensky> no one said they had to
2015-04-13 00:36 <Melanie_T> so the parms need to be offset, scaled ad skewed
2015-04-13 00:36 <AllenKerensky> they can use a call that already exists to make their script stop or go
2015-04-13 00:36 <Melanie_T> to match closely between engines
2015-04-13 00:36 <nebadon> I guess the question is
2015-04-13 00:36 <nebadon> can we do consistency without breaking 100% of the content already created
2015-04-13 00:37 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-04-13 00:37 <AllenKerensky> same argument for a generic database API that does not need a sqlite, mysql, postgres, and mssql driver 
2015-04-13 00:37 <Melanie_T> my making all params that ODE uses and that are in use now
2015-04-13 00:37 <Melanie_T> work on bullet and all future engones
2015-04-13 00:37 <Melanie_T> or else
2015-04-13 00:37 <nebadon> so basically break all the bullet content?
2015-04-13 00:37 <Melanie_T> by declaring today "day X"
2015-04-13 00:37 <nebadon> so its more like ODE?
2015-04-13 00:37 <misterblue> ODE doesn't account for vehicle buoyancy when computing hover... that's different than SL and can't be fix by 'skewing' parameters
2015-04-13 00:37 <AllenKerensky> ugh
2015-04-13 00:37 <nebadon> i dont understand
2015-04-13 00:37 <nebadon> ODE sucks
2015-04-13 00:37 <Melanie_T> make bullet as it is now the standard
2015-04-13 00:37 <Melanie_T> and make the ODE module match
2015-04-13 00:37 <Melanie_T> OR
2015-04-13 00:38 <AllenKerensky> no one supports the ODE module
2015-04-13 00:38 <danbanner> bullet parameters are already much like sl that scripts from sl work perfectly on bullet
2015-04-13 00:38 <Melanie_T> declare day "Y"
2015-04-13 00:38 <Melanie_T> and mae BTH match havok7
2015-04-13 00:38 <nebadon> people would freak out
2015-04-13 00:38 <Melanie_T> BOTH*
2015-04-13 00:38 <Melanie_T> but in some way
2015-04-13 00:38 <nebadon> would need a way to run old ODE
2015-04-13 00:38 <nebadon> vs new ODE
2015-04-13 00:38 <nebadon> but realistically
2015-04-13 00:38 <nebadon> who is going to do this work
2015-04-13 00:38 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-13 00:38 <Melanie_T> create a reference framework for physocs paramters that make scripts work across engines
2015-04-13 00:38 <nebadon> no one is working on ODE
2015-04-13 00:38 <AllenKerensky> what if an existing LSL call could report the physics engine - then OSSL is out of the picture?
2015-04-13 00:38 <Melanie_T> wout aneeding special case fo each
2015-04-13 00:38 <nebadon> we just dont have enough devs 
2015-04-13 00:39 <nebadon> most of the developers are not doing much
2015-04-13 00:39 <AllenKerensky> and none who care enough to already be supporting ODE
2015-04-13 00:39 <nebadon> so this is all kind of talk
2015-04-13 00:39 <Melanie_T> then call SL thastandard
2015-04-13 00:39 <danbanner> ODE will eventually vanish
2015-04-13 00:39 <Melanie_T> make bullet match it
2015-04-13 00:39 <Melanie_T> forget about ODE
2015-04-13 00:39 <misterblue> we're doing exactly that, Melanie... and the work will be done by the scripters who will make scripts that work on both
2015-04-13 00:39 <Melanie_T> and all future engones have to match
2015-04-13 00:39 <Melanie_T> but the scripter need not know
2015-04-13 00:39 <Melanie_T> MUST no know
2015-04-13 00:39 <Melanie_T> what engine is active
2015-04-13 00:39 <misterblue> the skewing doesn't have to be in core in the short term... ideally in core in the long term... but t here is a problem today
2015-04-13 00:40 <AllenKerensky> there's been a problem since ~0.7.6
2015-04-13 00:40 <Melanie_T> because it encourages incompatible workarounds in lieu if bug report
2015-04-13 00:40 <AllenKerensky> its only getting worse as the time of divergence increases
2015-04-13 00:40 <danbanner> scriptwise, bullet nearly matches sl already
2015-04-13 00:40 <Melanie_T> if peopel can work arounf they will not bug reportdivergence will grow
2015-04-13 00:40 <nebadon> yea bullet is as close to SL as we have gotten
2015-04-13 00:40 <Melanie_T> until it's "too much work" to fix
2015-04-13 00:40 <nebadon> ODE was never anything like SL
2015-04-13 00:40 <Melanie_T> and is declared a feature
2015-04-13 00:40 <nebadon> ODE is screwed up
2015-04-13 00:41 <Melanie_T> i'm not married to ODE
2015-04-13 00:41 <nebadon> i dont think we can ever make ODE as good as bullet
2015-04-13 00:41 <AllenKerensky> but has a lot of scripts that weere turned to work around ODE's hangups
2015-04-13 00:41 <nebadon> just by making #'s match
2015-04-13 00:41 <Melanie_T> i don't even KNOW the differences in detail
2015-04-13 00:41 <nebadon> because alot of stuff is just not implemented there
2015-04-13 00:41 <Melanie_T> all I'm saying i that the goal must be that one script runs everywhere
2015-04-13 00:41 <nebadon> yea that would be good for sure a good goal
2015-04-13 00:41 <Melanie_T> not that a script needs if (bullet) else if (ode) else if (sl)
2015-04-13 00:41 <Melanie_T> and of ode is out of the picture
2015-04-13 00:41 <Melanie_T> drop it
2015-04-13 00:42 <AllenKerensky> how is that goal compatible with OpenSim's modularity?
2015-04-13 00:42 <Melanie_T> let people see it fail
2015-04-13 00:42 <misterblue> anyway, scripters asked for a feature and I can add it... they may be making a long term mistake but it will make vehicles better in the short term
2015-04-13 00:42 <Melanie_T> they'll switch to bullet
2015-04-13 00:42 <Melanie_T> but don't for goodness' sake, let scriers detemne the engne they're on
2015-04-13 00:42 <danbanner> the only use was really just if(ode)
2015-04-13 00:42 <Melanie_T> or we'll never lose that specter
2015-04-13 00:42 <misterblue> and I don't think their mistake totally mangles OS's future
2015-04-13 00:42 <AllenKerensky> yeah in my case I dropped ODE and just moved forward with Bullet
2015-04-13 00:42 <AllenKerensky> but not  everyone is willing to make that cut
2015-04-13 00:42 <nebadon> yea I agree it would be good for future engines
2015-04-13 00:43 <nebadon> but parity for bullet and ODE is a lost cause
2015-04-13 00:43 <Melanie_T> just do NOT let scripters start engine specific coding
2015-04-13 00:43 <nebadon> and script work arounds seem like the only sane thing
2015-04-13 00:43 <AllenKerensky> yeah a normalized database access would be good too
2015-04-13 00:43 <Melanie_T> it will lock us out of the future
2015-04-13 00:43 <Melanie_T> as things will break each time a new engone comes out
2015-04-13 00:43 <AllenKerensky> all the ODE specific content that exists doesn't count?
2015-04-13 00:43 <misterblue> too bad you disagree, Mel
2015-04-13 00:43 <Melanie_T> scripters do not script future-rpoof
2015-04-13 00:43 <Melanie_T> i know some scripters - they're not programmers
2015-04-13 00:43 <danbanner> they have already started physic specific scripting when all the scripts were made to work in ode years ago
2015-04-13 00:43 <nebadon> I think you missing that certain things just dont work in ODE
2015-04-13 00:43 <misterblue> sciptors have already started declaring they are stopping content creation because they can't solve problems they need to solve
2015-04-13 00:43 <nebadon> so you cant just magically have parity
2015-04-13 00:44 <nebadon> the only way is through scripting
2015-04-13 00:44 <nebadon> to not use certain functions on certain engine
2015-04-13 00:44 <misterblue> not letting them script is getting in the way of OS growth
2015-04-13 00:44 <Melanie_T> nebadon: read above
2015-04-13 00:44 <Melanie_T> DROP ODE officially
2015-04-13 00:44 <Melanie_T> make SL/Bullet the gold standard
2015-04-13 00:44 <Melanie_T> REQUIRE that future script engines are compatible
2015-04-13 00:44 <Melanie_T> problem solved
2015-04-13 00:44 <misterblue> it is the default... but people still run ODE for their own reasons
2015-04-13 00:44 <AllenKerensky> or put out the call that if someone really wants it, they need to fess up and own it
2015-04-13 00:44 <danbanner> we'll lose the 20 people that hate bullet tho lol
2015-04-13 00:44 <Melanie_T> well, let them know they're on theor own
2015-04-13 00:45 <misterblue> they may be making dumb choices, but it is theirs to make
2015-04-13 00:45 <AllenKerensky> and work with misterblue to normalize it to SL
2015-04-13 00:45 <nebadon> yea I doubt we could get enough to agree on removing ODE
2015-04-13 00:45 <Melanie_T> if (ode) is badness
2015-04-13 00:45 <Melanie_T> becaue
2015-04-13 00:45 <Melanie_T> people WILL code if (bullet)
2015-04-13 00:45 <Melanie_T> and then the future looks bleak
2015-04-13 00:45 <Melanie_T> as future engines will also break
2015-04-13 00:45 <misterblue> sheesh, I don't know why we have to be idealistic and enforcing solutions on an unwilling community
2015-04-13 00:45 <Melanie_T> and we get the shitstorm
2015-04-13 00:45 <AllenKerensky> but its less of a support nightmare than "your script doesn't work" much support later "oh yeah I use ODE for religious reasons"
2015-04-13 00:45 <Melanie_T> like when i said standalone mode had to go
2015-04-13 00:46 <danbanner> i get what melanie is saying tho
2015-04-13 00:46 <Melanie_T> i was fighting an uphill battle
2015-04-13 00:46 <Melanie_T> now, today, let anyone say UGAIM was better tahn ROBUST
2015-04-13 00:46 <Melanie_T> we can't allo engine specific scripting
2015-04-13 00:46 <AllenKerensky> too late
2015-04-13 00:46 <AllenKerensky> you have been for years
2015-04-13 00:46 <Melanie_T> becaue scripters don't usually have the bigger picture
2015-04-13 00:46 <Melanie_T> and you get
2015-04-13 00:47 <Melanie_T>  // ODE code
2015-04-13 00:47 <Melanie_T> if (bullet)
2015-04-13 00:47 <AllenKerensky> SL scripts don't run on ODE so they were redone for ODE
2015-04-13 00:47 <Melanie_T>     do something
2015-04-13 00:47 <AllenKerensky> now there's bullet
2015-04-13 00:47 <misterblue> they don't need the bigger picture... they need to make their boats run for their users
2015-04-13 00:47 <Melanie_T> and that will fail on the next big thing
2015-04-13 00:47 <AllenKerensky> and all that content... has no way to tell its being used on a different engine
2015-04-13 00:47 <danbanner> people have already been writing scripts for ODE for years
2015-04-13 00:47 <Melanie_T> it should not need to care!\
2015-04-13 00:47 <AllenKerensky> but it has since ODE was added
2015-04-13 00:47 <AllenKerensky> and now we're stuck with THAT
2015-04-13 00:47 <Melanie_T> content should not need to know the platform
2015-04-13 00:47 <AllenKerensky> and trying to move forward without throwing those out
2015-04-13 00:47 <Melanie_T> java: compile once, run anywhere
2015-04-13 00:48 <Melanie_T> that is what i want to see
2015-04-13 00:48 <AllenKerensky> um, this ain't java
2015-04-13 00:48 <AllenKerensky> this is OpenSim on Mono/.NET
2015-04-13 00:48 <Melanie_T> not "one bit of code for each engine"
2015-04-13 00:48 <AllenKerensky> then stop being modular
2015-04-13 00:48 <AllenKerensky> and pick ONE feature set
2015-04-13 00:48 <Melanie_T> there IS one feature set
2015-04-13 00:48 <AllenKerensky> you can't split this infinitive in a sensible way
2015-04-13 00:48 <Melanie_T> havok7
2015-04-13 00:48 <AllenKerensky> 4 database types and 3 physics types do not make one feature set
2015-04-13 00:49 <Melanie_T> so all engines we should consider canon should emulate it
2015-04-13 00:49 <AllenKerensky> and 4 major architectures without adding the hypergrid variants
2015-04-13 00:49 <AllenKerensky> we're custom coding scripts for various thigns all over the place
2015-04-13 00:49 <Melanie_T> so scripts will copy/paste between sl and opensim
2015-04-13 00:49 <AllenKerensky> standard regions vs megas vs vars
2015-04-13 00:49 <Melanie_T> no mater for physics
2015-04-13 00:49 <Melanie_T> apples and pears
2015-04-13 00:49 <AllenKerensky> inconsistent worldview
2015-04-13 00:49 <Melanie_T> physics needs to have a unified interface
2015-04-13 00:49 <AllenKerensky> why?
2015-04-13 00:49 <AllenKerensky> database doesn't
2015-04-13 00:49 <Melanie_T> not engone detection
2015-04-13 00:50 <AllenKerensky> region sizes don't
2015-04-13 00:50 <Melanie_T> engine detection leads to fragmentation
2015-04-13 00:50 <Melanie_T> and religious wars
2015-04-13 00:50 <AllenKerensky> I have to script to find region bounds
2015-04-13 00:50 <AllenKerensky> why can't I script to find physics engine?
2015-04-13 00:50 <Melanie_T> why do you need to know region bounds?
2015-04-13 00:50 <AllenKerensky> that's what you haven't seemed to understand or answer
2015-04-13 00:50 <AllenKerensky> to delete objects like bullets that hit reegion edges
2015-04-13 00:50 <AllenKerensky> to make NPCs behave correctly
2015-04-13 00:50 <Melanie_T> attachments have CHANGED_REGION
2015-04-13 00:50 <AllenKerensky> lots of reasons
2015-04-13 00:50 <AllenKerensky> useless
2015-04-13 00:51 <AllenKerensky> try it sometime
2015-04-13 00:51 <Melanie_T> bullets auto-delete of params are set properly
2015-04-13 00:51 <AllenKerensky> hell half the time you have to script around problems with sensors
2015-04-13 00:51 <AllenKerensky> no they don't
2015-04-13 00:51 <AllenKerensky> and believe me - I had to do a shitstorm of nonsense to get them to on OpenSim
2015-04-13 00:51 <danbanner> does CHANGED_REGION even trigger if there is no neighbor?
2015-04-13 00:51 <AllenKerensky> including an infinite loop you said wasn't possible
2015-04-13 00:51 <Melanie_T> no. that is an off-world condition
2015-04-13 00:51 <AllenKerensky> scripters work around and make objects adapt to the platform
2015-04-13 00:51 <Melanie_T> you can set the object to autodelete then
2015-04-13 00:52 <Melanie_T> there is no reason to need to know the region size
2015-04-13 00:52 <AllenKerensky> its what we do - make the object GO despite the platform
2015-04-13 00:52 <misterblue> and scripters what to program aournd the problem today not wait a month for a developer to get around to fixing the bug
2015-04-13 00:52 <AllenKerensky> bullshit
2015-04-13 00:52 <AllenKerensky> there is 
2015-04-13 00:52 <AllenKerensky> and I've had to know it for like 6 years
2015-04-13 00:52 <Melanie_T> none i'm aware of and i done a lot of scripting including vehicles, weapons and huds
2015-04-13 00:52 <AllenKerensky> me too
2015-04-13 00:52 <misterblue> thus we give them tools to test... things work, people are happy, content gets created
2015-04-13 00:52 <Melanie_T> incompatibel content
2015-04-13 00:52 <AllenKerensky> and I can tell you - knowing region size for planter bots and stuff is important
2015-04-13 00:53 <Melanie_T> it's US who need to make ot work for them
2015-04-13 00:53 <AllenKerensky> and its got 3 major options: SL legacy, megas, and vars
2015-04-13 00:53 <Melanie_T> nit ush it to them
2015-04-13 00:53 <Melanie_T> then whine whenthe next engone doesn't work with anything
2015-04-13 00:53 <Melanie_T> because they didn't do
2015-04-13 00:53 <Melanie_T> if (ode) // legacy
2015-04-13 00:53 <Melanie_T> but did
2015-04-13 00:53 <misterblue> there is alots of version problems out there... old scripts, better newer scripts... cutting off options will not solve t hat
2015-04-13 00:53 <Melanie_T> if (bullet) // do this
2015-04-13 00:53 <AllenKerensky> I really don't thing you've seen any of the points so I am going to stop wasting everyone's time - its your world I just mess around on it
2015-04-13 00:53 <Melanie_T> so better to deprecate ode
2015-04-13 00:53 <Melanie_T> and not give them discovery
2015-04-13 00:54 <Melanie_T> AllenKerensky: planters, i concede
2015-04-13 00:54 <Melanie_T> or any random rezzers
2015-04-13 00:54 <Melanie_T> i'll give you that, no contest
2015-04-13 00:54 <Melanie_T> (i don't read what is said while i type)
2015-04-13 00:55 <AllenKerensky> no worries
2015-04-13 00:55 <Melanie_T> IMHO, we should drop megas
2015-04-13 00:55 <Melanie_T> with vars, the use cases for megas are nealy gone
2015-04-13 00:55 <Melanie_T> the only ones left are nonsquare
2015-04-13 00:55 <AllenKerensky> other than ODE =)
2015-04-13 00:55 <Melanie_T> and that can be worked aorund i'm sure
2015-04-13 00:55 <AllenKerensky> since ... well... ODE and vars...
2015-04-13 00:55 <Melanie_T> mega code makes a lot of stuff more complex in code
2015-04-13 00:56 <Melanie_T> see above
2015-04-13 00:56 <Melanie_T> drop ODE
2015-04-13 00:56 <Melanie_T> problems go away
2015-04-13 00:56 <AllenKerensky> not my call
2015-04-13 00:56 <AllenKerensky> I just need to be able to write scripts in a way to get my objects to work
2015-04-13 00:56 <danbanner> what about making the physics check only for ODE
2015-04-13 00:56 <danbanner> osCheckODE
2015-04-13 00:56 <Melanie_T> danbanner: you're the voice of reason :)
2015-04-13 00:56 <danbanner> or something
2015-04-13 00:56 <Melanie_T> that would fix it
2015-04-13 00:57 <AllenKerensky> well you still have the problem of a modular choice of current and future physics engines
2015-04-13 00:57 <Melanie_T> future ones can be required to be compatible with bullet
2015-04-13 00:57 <Melanie_T> as and where paramters coincide
2015-04-13 00:57 <danbanner> osCheckODE would take care of the current issue and not break content directly since there wouldnt be any if(bullet)
2015-04-13 00:57 <AllenKerensky> well... I expect there will be a technical argument or 3 against that if/when it ever happens
2015-04-13 00:58 <Melanie_T> danbanner: +1
2015-04-13 00:58 <Melanie_T> AllenKerensky: if it's required for core inclusion, the point is moot
2015-04-13 00:58 <danbanner> thats all the people want to do really is detect if ODE is being used
2015-04-13 00:59 <AllenKerensky> but its an ossl script
2015-04-13 00:59 <Melanie_T> so, to recap
2015-04-13 00:59 <AllenKerensky> no one can use it by default
2015-04-13 01:00 <AllenKerensky> we're in the same problem
2015-04-13 01:00 <Melanie_T> don't enabe physis engine detecton
2015-04-13 01:00 <Melanie_T> enable ode detection
2015-04-13 01:00 <Melanie_T> don't enable osAnimateAvatar
2015-04-13 01:00 <Melanie_T> and add warning about vulnerable people
2015-04-13 01:00 <danbanner> and bob's your uncle :)
2015-04-13 01:00 <Melanie_T> (i'd add warnings about lawsuits but ymmv)
2015-04-13 01:01 <Melanie_T> and make sure everyone who runs opensim using an oder config is TOLD in large, friendly letters that OSSL is now on
2015-04-13 01:01 <Melanie_T> older*
2015-04-13 01:01 <Melanie_T> that all i can agree to
2015-04-13 01:01 <Melanie_T> :)
2015-04-13 01:05 <danbanner> sounds like a good plan to me
2015-04-13 01:06 <misterblue> 
ACTION is implementing

2015-04-13 01:07 <misterblue> probably an email to dev and users to say the pattern to use is 'assume SL functionality, check of ODE if you need to know about the old features, and report bugs if that doesn't work
2015-04-13 01:07 <Melanie_T> yup, agree
2015-04-13 01:08 <Melanie_T> my day;s work is done
2015-04-13 01:08 <Melanie_T> off to bed
2015-04-13 01:08 <Melanie_T> NN
2015-04-13 01:08 <nebadon> sounds good, g'night Melanie_T
2015-04-13 02:35 <dahlia> awww no more turning people into stick bugs :(
2015-04-13 02:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #4127 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-04-13 02:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4127: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4127/
2015-04-13 02:43 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Add osCheckODE() function so scripts can configure for running with legacy physics engine.
2015-04-13 02:43 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Add warnings in osslEnable.ini about use of osAvatarPlayAnimation which forces animations
2015-04-13 04:46 <smxy> You know, in alpha code, you should be able to change anything or do anything you want. It's ALPHA code.
2015-04-13 04:55 <dahlia> I think justin has finally relented and stopped calling it alpha. He was the last holdout.
2015-04-13 04:56 <dahlia> now it's just whatever we want it to do :P
2015-04-13 05:15 <OtakuMegane> Stuff only gets labeled as 'alpha' now when you want to make very clear that stuff can get changed around whenever and it could - and probably will - asplode from time to time. 
2015-04-13 17:39 <osmantis> Bug #7509:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams can't set some prim parameters as small as the viewer can 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7509 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-04-13 17:46 <osmantis> Bug #7526:04 Stand position is wrong when linked seat and root rotation differ 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7526 ): has been CLOSED
2015-04-13 17:54 <osmantis> Bug #6543:04 llTargetOmega not work on physical prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6543 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007524.
2015-04-13 17:54 <osmantis> Bug #7524:04 llTargetOmega ignores gain arguement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7524 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006543.
2015-04-13 17:54 <osmantis> Bug #7304:04 llTargetOmega not implemented for Physical object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7304 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007524.
2015-04-13 17:54 <osmantis> Bug #7524:04 llTargetOmega ignores gain arguement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7524 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007304.
2015-04-13 18:06 <osmantis> Bug #7356:04 llGetPrimitiveParams returns transparency instead of alpha for PRIM_TEXT 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7356 ): has been CLOSED
2015-04-13 18:50 <osmantis> Bug #7415:04 Var region can not load .raw (LLRAW) terrains bigger than 256x256 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7415 ): has been CLOSED
2015-04-13 21:18 <osmantis> Bug #7527:04 Seeing alot of HG users with the name Unknown UserUMMAU42 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7527 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007408.
2015-04-13 21:18 <osmantis> Bug #7408:04 Avatar Names Display Faulty 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7408 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007527.
2015-04-13 21:24 <osmantis> Bug #7527:04 Seeing alot of HG users with the name Unknown UserUMMAU42 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7527 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-13 23:09 <osmantis> Bug #7528:04 Determine Region Physics Engine Type by LSL Script Function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7528 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-04-13 23:18 <osmantis> Bug #7528:04 Determine Region Physics Engine Type by LSL Script Function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-13 23:21 <osmantis> Bug #7528:04 Determine Region Physics Engine Type by LSL Script Function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-14 01:51 <osmantis> Bug #7528:04 Determine Region Physics Engine Type by LSL Script Function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-14 01:54 <osmantis> Bug #7528:04 Determine Region Physics Engine Type by LSL Script Function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-14 02:04 <LaniGlobal> As some of you may have noticed, I've added a new OpenSim Mantis report.http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7528
2015-04-14 02:04 <LaniGlobal> It proposes: Extension of the llGetEnv() function by the addition of a new "opensim_physics" string. 
2015-04-14 02:05 <LaniGlobal> a simple solution to quite a severe problem in the opensim metaverse.
2015-04-14 02:06 <LaniGlobal> the mantis report lays the groundwork for development of a patch.
2015-04-14 02:07 <LaniGlobal> Knowing the physics engine type is one of the most basic issues in a region. Products fail when rezzed due to being designed for a different physics engine. Physical objects using LSL scripts require knowing the type of Physics Engine active in the region environment, so that the script can adjust the object's physical parameters to meet performance goals of the content or product. 
2015-04-14 02:07 <LaniGlobal> that's a summary of it.
2015-04-14 02:10 <LaniGlobal> OpenSim is Open Source, we need to keep that in mind. Applications (in this case scripted objects) must know the operating environment in which they run.
2015-04-14 04:42 <osmantis> Bug #7528:04 Determine Region Physics Engine Type by LSL Script Function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-14 05:17 <osmantis> Bug #7528:04 Determine Region Physics Engine Type by LSL Script Function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-14 05:30 <osmantis> Bug #7528:04 Determine Region Physics Engine Type by LSL Script Function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-14 05:42 <osmantis> Bug #7528:04 Determine Region Physics Engine Type by LSL Script Function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-14 06:52 <osmantis> Bug #7528:04 Determine Region Physics Engine Type by LSL Script Function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-14 06:54 <osmantis> Bug #7528:04 Determine Region Physics Engine Type by LSL Script Function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-14 07:30 <osmantis> Bug #7528:04 Determine Region Physics Engine Type by LSL Script Function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-14 13:29 <misterblue> opensimulator.org is REALLY slow at the moment
2015-04-14 13:31 <osmantis> Bug #7528:04 Determine Region Physics Engine Type by LSL Script Function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-14 13:43 <BlueWall> the load is pretty low and apache seems to be ok
2015-04-14 13:43 <nebadon> I just restarted apache2 about 15 minutes ago
2015-04-14 13:43 <BlueWall> ohh, ok
2015-04-14 13:44 <BlueWall> had too many processes?
2015-04-14 13:44 <nebadon> website was not loading at all for me
2015-04-14 13:44 <nebadon> I didnt inspect it to much, i just wanted to get it going again
2015-04-14 13:44 <nebadon> but likely
2015-04-14 13:44 <nebadon> ssh was fast
2015-04-14 13:44 <nebadon> only seemed like apache was the problem
2015-04-14 13:45 <BlueWall> haha, that explains why I see only 13 processes :)
2015-04-14 14:20 <misterblue> there we go... finished rocking the boat for this week
2015-04-14 14:20 <nebadon> nice
2015-04-14 14:21 <AllenKerensky> brace yourselves for angst and wail
2015-04-14 14:21 <misterblue> oh ya...
2015-04-14 14:22 <BlueWall> that is awesome - thanks
2015-04-14 14:22 <misterblue> most of the OSSL functions are not generally available
2015-04-14 14:22 <Melanie_T> 
ACTION didn't look at the file 

2015-04-14 14:22 <Melanie_T> are the functions grouped in some way?
2015-04-14 14:22 <misterblue> most are limited to estate owners and managers
2015-04-14 14:22 <Melanie_T> to make it easier for people to edit prems for related functions?
2015-04-14 14:23 <Melanie_T> like all texture draw functions in one block?
2015-04-14 14:23 <Melanie_T> that would make sense to me, rather than alphabetic order
2015-04-14 14:23 <misterblue> I added some Nini type config stuff to control parcel owner/group enablement (off by default)
2015-04-14 14:23 <misterblue> and a group for easily turning on NPCs
2015-04-14 14:24 <Melanie_T> well, my concern is the texture drawing stuff
2015-04-14 14:24 <Melanie_T> many love it but a good number have reported that it's a lag hog when user wrong
2015-04-14 14:24 <Melanie_T> used*
2015-04-14 14:24 <misterblue> not many functinos are on by default, though.... some are just off (the ones you thought were very bad)
2015-04-14 14:25 <Melanie_T> yes i saw that and i'm sure many victims of violence will appreciate it just as much 
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2015-04-14 14:25 <misterblue> Justin didn't like the dynamic texture ones for that reason... they are not generally avilalable
2015-04-14 14:25 <Melanie_T> This means, by default, the following functions are available for
2015-04-14 14:25 <Melanie_T> all users:
2015-04-14 14:25 <Melanie_T> osDrawEllipse ….. [more to follow]
2015-04-14 14:26 <Melanie_T> the email lists them all as on by default
2015-04-14 14:26 <misterblue> we should measure those... or implement energy :)
2015-04-14 14:26 <misterblue> no one mentioned the drawing ones so I left them on
2015-04-14 14:26 <Melanie_T> they're not an issue if people were to draw even one texture per 15 seconds
2015-04-14 14:27 <AllenKerensky> the osDraw is of such limited use anyway due to command string length limits and no ability to draw over the same texture with multiple commands
2015-04-14 14:27 <Melanie_T> but i have seen boards in the wild that draw every second
2015-04-14 14:27 <BlueWall> people will always abuse things because they lack understanding of the underlying technology.
2015-04-14 14:27 <misterblue> any script can set timers too low and be a hog... that is a forever management problem
2015-04-14 14:27 <AllenKerensky> expect things to redraw every frame as more people move min timer interval down to 1/11th second for vehicles and physics
2015-04-14 14:27 <Melanie_T> people use these functions mainly to not have to use xytext
2015-04-14 14:28 <BlueWall> They just want to do it.
2015-04-14 14:28 <Melanie_T> all these things that people use fast timers for are solveable without them
2015-04-14 14:28 <Melanie_T> by using the proper function calls and events
2015-04-14 14:29 <Melanie_T> but the topmost possible solution for most people is to poll in a fast timer
2015-04-14 14:29 <Melanie_T> many scripters don't grok events
2015-04-14 14:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4128: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4128/
2015-04-14 14:30 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Remove ossl settings in XEngine section of OpenSim.ini.example with note to where
2015-04-14 14:30 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Enable OSSL functions by default using the osslEnable.ini configuration file.
2015-04-14 15:35 <osmantis> Bug #7528:04 Determine Region Physics Engine Type by LSL Script Function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-14 15:41 <osmantis> Bug #7528:04 Determine Region Physics Engine Type by LSL Script Function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-14 15:48 <nebadon> misterblue, are we supposed to see like a ton of lines that say 22:48:04 - [OSSL]: OSSL FUNCTIONS ENABLED
2015-04-14 15:48 <nebadon> im seeing this spew on my console
2015-04-14 15:48 <nebadon> like 100s of times
2015-04-14 15:49 <nebadon> this seems a tad absurd
2015-04-14 15:50 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=BBscMNSe
2015-04-14 15:50 <nebadon> this is literally what i just saw
2015-04-14 15:50 <Melanie_T> ouch
2015-04-14 15:51 <nebadon> yea something wrong there :)
2015-04-14 15:51 <BlueWall> 0.0
2015-04-14 15:51 <Plugh> ouch indeed.
2015-04-14 15:52 <nebadon> that was after a load oar
2015-04-14 15:52 <nebadon> let me restart the region and see what happens
2015-04-14 15:52 <Plugh> oh. Sounds like the message is being spit out after processing of every script in the oar.
2015-04-14 15:52 <nebadon> same thing
2015-04-14 15:55 <osmantis> Bug #7528:04 Discover Region Physics Engine Type by LSL Script Function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7528 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-04-14 16:16 <osmantis> Bug #7528:04 Discover Region Physics Engine Type by LSL Script Function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-14 16:41 <osmantis> Bug #7528:04 Discover Region Physics Engine Type by LSL Script Function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-14 17:21 <osmantis> Bug #7528:04 Discover Region Physics Engine Type by LSL Script Function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-14 17:35 <Plugh> nebadon: ping
2015-04-14 17:36 <nebadon> hey Plugh
2015-04-14 17:36 <Plugh> Hey. If you have a moment or two can I PM you? I'd like your opinion on some computer item.
2015-04-14 17:39 <nebadon> sure
2015-04-14 19:19 <nebadon> huh Wright Plaza appears to have crashed
2015-04-14 19:19 <OtakuMegane> I noticed that.
2015-04-14 19:21 <LaniGlobal> kabooom
2015-04-14 19:22 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/swxbbqtw
2015-04-14 19:22 <RiRa> end of meeting, in memory of the good old days :)
2015-04-14 19:22 <LaniGlobal> i have a chat log of the dev meeting
2015-04-14 19:23 <nebadon> me too
2015-04-14 19:23 <RiRa> hmm, something like that i have seen to
2015-04-14 19:23 <LaniGlobal> ok good
2015-04-14 19:23 <nebadon> i'll post the chat log to wiki
2015-04-14 19:24 <RiRa> nebadon, in my case i got yesterday lots of problems wiuth saving oar, tyhe system got slower and slower. slow requests and mabey the xml error to. after 2 system reboots it worked.
2015-04-14 19:24 <RiRa> but mabey mine where differnet xml error
2015-04-14 19:24 <RiRa> anyway, im off
2015-04-14 19:28 <nebadon> ok chat log posted > http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2015-04-14
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2015-04-15 02:03 <osjenkins> misterblue: Temporarily comment out OSSL enabled warning log message.
2015-04-15 04:13 <misterblue> who moderates the opensim-dev mailing list? Some things never go through
2015-04-15 04:28 <BeyBar> I think it's Justin
2015-04-15 04:33 <diva> frame is amazing
2015-04-15 04:34 <diva> even more impressive than AWS AppStream
2015-04-15 05:58 <dahlia> diva: frame?
2015-04-15 13:52 <diva> #opensim-core i<3osim
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2015-04-15 20:03 <osjenkins> bluewall: Small fix for ini comments
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2015-04-16 18:51 <RiRa> Sitpos broken in 0.8.1 ? just go sit on soem furniture. but my avatar end up in the sky
2015-04-16 18:52 <RiRa> think at least 1 meter higher
2015-04-16 18:52 <nebadon> i have not noticed this RiRa
2015-04-16 18:52 <nebadon> and I am fully updated
2015-04-16 18:52 <RiRa> Ok.. mabey wehn i can restart the fresh loaded oar it's fine. but cannot restart right now
2015-04-16 18:53 <nebadon> I think people would have been complaining a lot more if it were really broken
2015-04-16 18:54 <RiRa> yes. where afraid something where reverted back :)
2015-04-16 19:00 <RiRa> mabey old poseball. ill replace that someday
2015-04-16 19:42 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-16 22:16 <osmantis> Bug #7529:04 NPC's Freeze A Region Simulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7529 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-04-16 22:17 <osmantis> Bug #7529:04 NPC's Freeze A Region Simulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7529 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-04-17 02:41 <osmantis> Bug #7529:04 NPC's Freeze A Region Simulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7529 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-17 02:42 <osmantis> Bug #7529:04 NPC's Freeze A Region Simulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7529 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007407.
2015-04-17 02:42 <osmantis> Bug #7407:04 Attempting save of script state for attachments worn by NPC when removing them from scene 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7407 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007529.
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2015-04-17 20:31 <LiruCookies> So um
2015-04-17 20:31 <LiruCookies> Is anyone around?
2015-04-17 20:40 <LiruCookies> AliciaRaven: maybe you're awake?
2015-04-17 20:41 <AliciaRaven> hi LiruCookies
2015-04-17 20:41 <LiruCookies> Hi!
2015-04-17 20:41 <AliciaRaven> hows things
2015-04-17 20:41 <LiruCookies> Pretty good, you?
2015-04-17 20:41 <AliciaRaven> good :)
2015-04-17 20:41 <LiruCookies> You know what I noticed today?
2015-04-17 20:41 <AliciaRaven> what?
2015-04-17 20:42 <LiruCookies> The "Grab Tool" doesn't work at all in opensim.
2015-04-17 20:42 <AliciaRaven> grab? dont think i have ever tried it
2015-04-17 20:43 <LiruCookies> Rez an object and hold control, click the object with your mouse, you have now "Grabbed" this object.  You may now rotate and reposition it.
2015-04-17 20:43 <LiruCookies> Except on Opensim, you cannot.  I tried this on Avination, and you can't there either, this came as a shock to me.
2015-04-17 20:44 <AliciaRaven> ah i have never tried that feature, not even in sl
2015-04-17 20:44 <LiruCookies> It's verrrrry useful
2015-04-17 20:44 <LiruCookies> I can tell you the messages it uses, if you want
2015-04-17 20:45 <Plugh> what feature? I'm always interested to know about something that could be very useful.
2015-04-17 20:45 <LiruCookies> The grab tool
2015-04-17 20:45 <AliciaRaven> sure, i will have a look at it
2015-04-17 20:45 <LiruCookies> Rez an object and hold control, click the object with your mouse, you have now "Grabbed" this object.  You may now rotate and reposition it.
2015-04-17 20:45 <AliciaRaven> i seem to remember reading some thing about it recently
2015-04-17 20:46 <Plugh> Hm... I'll have to check that out.
2015-04-17 20:46 <LiruCookies> ObjectSpinStart, ObjectSpinStop, ObjectSpinUpdate, ObjectGrabUpdate, ObjectGrab, ObjectDeGrab
2015-04-17 20:47 <BeyBar> 
ACTION launches a standalone to try it

2015-04-17 20:47 <AliciaRaven> ah i remember, i saw it in the viewer preferences, i just enabled it and i see a hand cursor when i click, but yes it doesnt do anything
2015-04-17 20:50 <LiruCookies> BeyBar: Doesn't your thing use the grab tool, too?
2015-04-17 20:53 <BeyBar> Let me see, I am in Singularity... my perverted version of it. I have rezzed a cube in OpenSim 8.1.0.
2015-04-17 20:53 <BeyBar> I hold Ctrl and click the prim.
2015-04-17 20:54 <BeyBar> Well, as soon as I hold Ctrl, I get the "rotate" cursor. When I click the prim, I get the rotate circles.
2015-04-17 20:54 <LiruCookies> Not in edit mode.
2015-04-17 20:54 <LiruCookies> If you're using the build floater, click the Hand button.
2015-04-17 20:54 <BeyBar> Ah, now I see what you are saying.
2015-04-17 20:55 <BeyBar> Hand cursor, and you expect to be able to move the object
2015-04-17 20:55 <LiruCookies> Yeppies.
2015-04-17 20:55 <LiruCookies> Move and rotate, it's very convenient, because you don't need build floater open.
2015-04-17 20:55 <BeyBar> Funny, it really doesn't work. I tested that in SL, it works there.
2015-04-17 20:55 <LiruCookies> Yeah, I use it in SL allll the time
2015-04-17 20:57 <jakdaniels> there seems to be hooks and code for it in opensim.... perhaps it's just broken
2015-04-17 20:58 <AliciaRaven> yea i was just going to say the code seems to be there
2015-04-17 20:59 <jakdaniels> at least in the lower level UDP networking code and event handlers
2015-04-17 21:00 <jakdaniels> but perhaps not implemented in the upper levels and region scene graph?
2015-04-17 21:03 <AliciaRaven> the event links to m_sceneGraph.MoveObject
2015-04-17 21:04 <AliciaRaven> ah the code is empty for non physical objects
2015-04-17 21:05 <AliciaRaven> well, its there, just commented out, i uncommented it and am about to try it out
2015-04-17 21:06 <BeyBar> I wonder why it would be commented out. Unfinished?
2015-04-17 21:06 <jakdaniels> same thing for m_sceneGraph.SpinStart and m_sceneGraph.SpinObject?
2015-04-17 21:06 <AliciaRaven> maybe, or maybe it broke and was commented out to be fixed later
2015-04-17 21:06 <AliciaRaven> will check in a min
2015-04-17 21:08 <AliciaRaven> yea i can drag the cube about now, how to u change between drag and spin?
2015-04-17 21:10 <BeyBar> If you have the build tools open, you can select which action to perform there. I've shut down everything now, but I seem to remember keyboard shortcuts are stated there.
2015-04-17 21:11 <jakdaniels> this should be without the build floater open BeyBar. Alicia did you try ctrl+shift perhaps?
2015-04-17 21:12 <AliciaRaven> yea ctrl+shift doesnt do anything
2015-04-17 21:12 <AliciaRaven> maybe rotate is diabled also, will look...
2015-04-17 21:12 <BeyBar> 
ACTION launches Singularity again...

2015-04-17 21:12 <jakdaniels> is there code in m_sceneGraph.SpinStart and m_sceneGraph.SpinObject?
2015-04-17 21:13 <BeyBar> So it says "Lift (Ctrl)" and "Spin (Ctrl-Shift)"
2015-04-17 21:15 <BeyBar> Why "Lift" by the way? Is "Move" supposed to be horizontal only and "Lift" vertical only?
2015-04-17 21:15 <AliciaRaven> scene graph links to methods inside SOG which does the work, the spin calls are commented out but point to non-existant methods
2015-04-17 21:16 <AliciaRaven> when i grab it, the movment ie side to side or up and down is linked to the camera pov
2015-04-17 21:17 <AliciaRaven> "Since a spin is invoked by ctrl+shift+drag in the client" from source comments
2015-04-17 21:18 <BeyBar> This is a little embarrassing... I am in SL, and it's not doing anything there either now.
2015-04-17 21:19 <jakdaniels> yes it looks incomplete, the commented out method //NonPhysicalSpinMovement(pos)
2015-04-17 21:19 <jakdaniels> even for physical objects!
2015-04-17 21:20 <BeyBar> Did any of you try it in SL?
2015-04-17 21:20 <jakdaniels> I thought LiruCookies did
2015-04-17 21:21 <BeyBar> But how recently? I was messing around a lot with this stuff in February, and I remember it like him.
2015-04-17 21:21 <BeyBar> It used to do something.
2015-04-17 21:22 <BeyBar> I think I'd better try it with Firestorm. It could be a Singularity thing.
2015-04-17 21:24 <LiruCookies> BeyBar: Lift and Move compensate for there only being two axis in the mouse motion but three axis in the render
2015-04-17 21:25 <BeyBar> Maybe I'm doing something wrong. Nothing happening in Firestorm either.
2015-04-17 21:26 <LiruCookies> axes*
2015-04-17 21:26 <BeyBar> Talk me through it again. I have my little cube rezzed on the grouind. No edit floaters open. What do I do?
2015-04-17 21:26 <AliciaRaven> in the viewer grab is disabled by default i think, check prefs
2015-04-17 21:26 <BeyBar> Ah!
2015-04-17 21:26 <BeyBar> Checking prefs
2015-04-17 21:27 <AliciaRaven> the code for grab was added in 2008 by adam frisby, but was never enabled
2015-04-17 21:27 <AliciaRaven> wonder why, maybe it has some bad side effect that i havnt noticed
2015-04-17 21:29 <LiruCookies> Works for me
2015-04-17 21:29 <LiruCookies> AliciaRaven: I don't think so?
2015-04-17 21:29 <AliciaRaven> i cant see any issues, but why would it be added but not enabled?
2015-04-17 21:30 <BeyBar> Wow, they hid that option in the last tab ("Build 2") of an 8-tab "Firestorm" dialog. 
2015-04-17 21:32 <BeyBar> But even with "Use Ctrl+mouse to grab and manipulate objects" checked, I see no effect. :(
2015-04-17 21:37 <AliciaRaven> i got the spin to work, had to add the missing method
2015-04-17 21:37 <AliciaRaven> i just thought, i have only tried with a single prim, gonna see how it works with a full linkset
2015-04-17 21:38 <Littlefeather> if i create a var region that is the size of 4 regions can you upload 4 seperate raw files?
2015-04-17 21:39 <AliciaRaven> Littlefeather, i think so, there should be offset parameters but u would need to check the wiki for terrain loading
2015-04-17 21:39 <AliciaRaven> i always use a BMP thats the same size as the region myself, raw files are a pita
2015-04-17 21:39 <Littlefeather> ok ty
2015-04-17 21:41 <AliciaRaven> spin and grab both working with linksets
2015-04-17 21:45 <BeyBar> LiruCookies, is there a preference setting for this in Singularity too?
2015-04-17 21:45 <LiruCookies> BeyBar: I don't see why there should be a setting for this...
2015-04-17 21:45 <AliciaRaven> BeyBar, im in SL and its working for me using FS
2015-04-17 21:45 <BeyBar> Just wondering, since Firestorm has one. 
2015-04-17 21:45 <LiruCookies> I've never had to set anything.
2015-04-17 21:46 <BeyBar> Maybe I should try another sandbox.
2015-04-17 21:46 <LiruCookies> Firestorm adds options for stupid things.
2015-04-17 21:47 <LiruCookies> In Singularity, you can undo moves and rotations even if you don't have edit permissions, so I don't see why it should be disabled.
2015-04-17 21:48 <BeyBar> I must be doing something wrong... 
2015-04-17 21:50 <LiruCookies> ctrl, ctrl-alt, ctrl-shift, while clicking and dragging
2015-04-17 21:51 <BeyBar> Yep. Does nothing at all for me in Firestorm, in two different SL sandboxes.
2015-04-17 21:51 <BeyBar> I am using the Opensim & SL build of Firestorm. Maybe it's different in the SL only one? (Clutching at straws here...)
2015-04-17 21:52 <AliciaRaven> nope, im using FS for OS
2015-04-17 21:52 <BeyBar> All right, then I'm cursed.
2015-04-17 21:52 <AliciaRaven> cant see what u could be doing wrong, its just hold ctrl and drag with left mouse
2015-04-17 21:52 <AliciaRaven> try poking it with a stick lol
2015-04-17 21:53 <LiruCookies> Have you tried in Singu?
2015-04-17 21:54 <BeyBar> Yep. It is all very strange. Maybe I'm dreaming and you are all just figments of my imagination. :P
2015-04-17 21:54 <LiruCookies> you are
2015-04-17 21:55 <BeyBar> Giving up attempts to move silly cubes for now.
2015-04-17 21:55 <BeyBar> It's beginning to feel like a spoon-bending session...
2015-04-17 22:01 <BlueWall> I can't imagine why it would be commented out. It would be good to shoot an email to the dev list to see if any remembers any historical reason that it is disabled. If not we can turn it on.
2015-04-17 22:03 <dahlia> or just turn it on and ask people to test 
2015-04-17 22:03 <dahlia> git blame show who commented it?
2015-04-17 22:05 <BlueWall> you?
2015-04-17 22:05 <BlueWall> haha
2015-04-17 22:05 <dahlia> me? *hides*
2015-04-17 22:05 <BlueWall> AliciaRaven, do you want to make a patch and mantis?
2015-04-17 22:05 <dahlia> when?
2015-04-17 22:06 <dahlia> have a commit hash?
2015-04-17 22:06 <AliciaRaven> BlueWall, im making one right now :) will post in a few minutes
2015-04-17 22:06 <BlueWall> ok
2015-04-17 22:06 <BlueWall> dahlia, was joking with you
2015-04-17 22:06 <dahlia> :P
2015-04-17 22:06 <BlueWall> I'm not looking at it atm.
2015-04-17 22:06 <BlueWall> lol
2015-04-17 22:07 <dahlia> 
ACTION places a lit match stick between BlueWall's toes...

2015-04-17 22:07 <BlueWall> 0.0
2015-04-17 22:07 <dahlia> joking :)
2015-04-17 22:07 <AliciaRaven> could be worse, could have placed it between ur butt cheecks lol
2015-04-17 22:07 <dahlia> lol
2015-04-17 22:08 <BlueWall> haha
2015-04-17 22:12 <osmantis> Bug #7530:04 [Patch] Enable object grab and add the code to spin objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7530 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-04-17 22:13 <AliciaRaven> BlueWall patch uploaded
2015-04-17 22:15 <osmantis> Bug #7530:04 [Patch] Enable object grab and add the code to spin objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7530 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-04-17 22:16 <AliciaRaven> oop i changed the status and it asigned it to me
2015-04-17 23:01 <LiruCookies> AliciaRaven: You're doing this?
2015-04-17 23:01 <AliciaRaven> i uploaded a patch
2015-04-17 23:01 <osmantis> Bug #7530:04 [Patch] Enable object grab and add the code to spin objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7530 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-04-17 23:02 <BeyBar> OpenSim moves quickly :)
2015-04-17 23:06 <smxy> Except when it doesn't. :)
2015-04-17 23:37 <LiruCookies> AliciaRaven: You're awesome!
2015-04-18 00:02 <smxy> 'Tis a nice feature. :)
2015-04-18 00:54 <BlueWall> thanks AliciaRaven, LiruCookies
2015-04-18 00:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #4131 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-04-18 01:01 <smxy> Yay, BlueWall. :)
2015-04-18 01:02 <smxy> And, of course, yay, AliciaRaven. :)
2015-04-18 01:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4131: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4131/
2015-04-18 01:05 <osjenkins> bluewall: Enable grab feature (Ctrl+Drag) for non-physical link-sets and add code to handle spin (Ctrl+Shift+Drag)
2015-04-18 01:07 <AliciaRaven> np :)
2015-04-18 07:20 <osmantis> Bug #7529:04 NPC's Freeze A Region Simulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7529 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-18 07:27 <osmantis> Bug #7529:04 NPC's Freeze A Region Simulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7529 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-04-18 13:47 <osmantis> Bug #7529:04 NPC's Freeze A Region Simulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7529 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-18 13:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #4132 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-04-18 13:52 <osmantis> Bug #7530:04 [Patch] Enable object grab and add the code to spin objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7530 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-04-18 13:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4132: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4132/
2015-04-18 13:56 <osjenkins> bluewall: Avoid deadlock in NPCModule between DeleteNPC and GetNPC on m_avatars
2015-04-18 16:32 <BeyBar> AliciaRaven, may I ask which SL sandbox you used to try Ctrl+Drag in Firestorm yesterday? I want to go there and see if it works for me too.
2015-04-18 16:34 <AliciaRaven> hey BeyBar, i didnt use a sandbox, a friend has land in sl and i have group rez privs
2015-04-18 16:35 <AliciaRaven> have u tried the os patch yet?
2015-04-18 16:37 <BeyBar> Nope. I want to see it work in SL with at least one viewer first. Earlier today it occurred to me that I only tried 64 bit builds, but even 32 bit Singularity gave me no joy.
2015-04-18 16:37 <AliciaRaven> i use 64bit also
2015-04-18 16:37 <BeyBar> I am probably doing something insanely stupid, but I can't figure out what.
2015-04-18 16:37 <AliciaRaven> in SL builders brewery have a nice sandbox area
2015-04-18 16:38 <BeyBar> Yes, I just need to know that it is a sandbox where this works for others.
2015-04-18 16:41 <AliciaRaven> i just tried in SL on their sim and it works, its an old feature so i would think it works all over
2015-04-18 16:43 <BeyBar> The plot thickens! Thanks, I'll go there and try it.
2015-04-18 16:49 <LiruCookies> 1. Rez Object 2. Press and Hold Control 3. Click and Hold the Object you Rezzed 4. Drag your Mouse Around
2015-04-18 16:55 <BeyBar> Yep. No luck.
2015-04-18 17:01 <LiruCookies> BeyBar: You're doing it with normal controls?
2015-04-18 17:01 <BeyBar> Yes, in Firestorm. Nothing special at all.
2015-04-18 17:02 <BeyBar> I just got it to move (but not spin) by making it physical.
2015-04-18 17:02 <BeyBar> If I uncheck physical, it goes back to just ignoring me.
2015-04-18 17:03 <BeyBar> Deleted the prim, tried the same trick with a new one, now even physical does nothing.
2015-04-18 17:04 <BeyBar> I can think of one big difference between you guys an me. I probably have much more latency and dropped packets than you. Are you both in the US?
2015-04-18 17:05 <AliciaRaven> not me, im in UK
2015-04-18 17:05 <BeyBar> My statistics bar shows ping sim rarely going below 240 ms and sometimes jumping over 1 second.
2015-04-18 17:06 <LiruCookies> BeyBar: Try a VPN or a Proxy that makes LL think you're in UK or uS
2015-04-18 17:06 <LiruCookies> US*
2015-04-18 17:07 <BeyBar> Surely that would add latency.
2015-04-18 17:07 <LiruCookies> Damian has noticed that sometimes locations are favored by LL servers
2015-04-18 17:07 <LiruCookies> I think Stockmaster found this too
2015-04-18 17:14 <BeyBar> Got distracted by an astronomy lecture. :P Might try it later. Anyway, so far I can occasionally get the desired behavior by making the prim physical. Haven't seen it work at all otherwise.
2015-04-18 17:26 <AliciaRaven> i have an interest in astronomy also
2015-04-18 17:26 <BeyBar> SHAMASH/139/206/95
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2015-04-19 12:11 <osmantis> Bug #7531:04 V2 OfflineIM messages HG to HG don't get send to the user after logging in. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7531 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-04-19 12:13 <osmantis> Bug #7531:04 V2 OfflineIM messages HG to HG don't get send to the user after logging in. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7531 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-04-19 12:17 <osmantis> Bug #7531:04 V2 OfflineIM messages HG to HG don't get send to the user after logging in. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7531 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-19 15:04 <osmantis> Bug #7532:04 Camera upon unsit in Lifts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7532 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-04-19 15:15 <smxy> Someone asked if there's a setting to have scripts not run at region start, but be able to start them later. Is there such a setting?
2015-04-19 15:18 <AllenKerensky> help scripts on the console smxy
2015-04-19 15:18 <AllenKerensky> the scripts <start|stop|suspend|resume>
2015-04-19 15:19 <AllenKerensky> at the worst, you could put a "scripts suspend" in the startup_commands.txt
2015-04-19 15:19 <AllenKerensky> and later put "scripts resume" on the console manually
2015-04-19 15:19 <AllenKerensky> i have not done this myself smxy so whoever is interested would be testing it and figuring it out blah blah
2015-04-19 15:20 <smxy> You are still talking about stopping them once started and resuming later.
2015-04-19 15:20 <smxy> They want the region to come up with none started at all, and then enable them later.
2015-04-19 15:21 <smxy> I don't know of a setting for that, myself.
2015-04-19 15:21 <AllenKerensky> well same idea
2015-04-19 15:21 <AllenKerensky> a startup command "scripts stop
2015-04-19 15:21 <AllenKerensky> the region comes up without starting scripts
2015-04-19 15:22 <AllenKerensky> then "scripts start" when your ready
2015-04-19 15:22 <smxy> You can disable XEngine, but then I don't think you'd be able to start them later.
2015-04-19 15:22 <AllenKerensky> they can try something like that and see if it is close enough
2015-04-19 15:22 <AllenKerensky> right that's why I was thinking a console "suspend" or "stop" as an early startup command
2015-04-19 15:22 <smxy> By definition, if you have to tell the scripts to stop, theyve already been started. 
2015-04-19 15:22 <AllenKerensky> its all about timing
2015-04-19 15:22 <smxy> They want them to not start at all until they request it.
2015-04-19 15:22 <AllenKerensky> if startup_commands is run before the XEngine loop that actually starts
2015-04-19 15:23 <AllenKerensky> oh well, its your world - that's my idea of something to try that can get close if not exactly to what they want
2015-04-19 15:23 <AllenKerensky> but if you disable XEngine in ini, I don't know how to restart it from command line
2015-04-19 15:24 <smxy> Neither do I, which is why that's not practical.
2015-04-19 15:24 <AllenKerensky> and that's where suggestion for startup_commands: "script suspend" or "script stop" came from
2015-04-19 15:24 <AllenKerensky> XEngine loads enabled - but is told to suspend or stop before it goes through the loop of starting all region scripts
2015-04-19 15:24 <smxy> But if that runs before Xengine does, how will XEngine even know the command was issued?
2015-04-19 15:25 <AllenKerensky> i don't know - something to test
2015-04-19 15:25 <AllenKerensky> it may not work at all
2015-04-19 15:25 <AllenKerensky> was just an idea to try
2015-04-19 15:26 <smxy> I'd think the most corect solution would be to code a start_scripts = true/false setting, for XEngine, that they could set o false. That's if your idea doesn't work.
2015-04-19 15:26 <AllenKerensky> or do both
2015-04-19 15:27 <AllenKerensky> the startup_commands for now - while coding a patch for later lol
2015-04-19 15:27 <smxy> :)
2015-04-19 15:27 <BlueWall> you know in the estate debug tools there is a script enable/disable setting.
2015-04-19 15:27 <smxy> yes
2015-04-19 15:28 <BlueWall> I am pretty sure that is connected to a flag in the region table.
2015-04-19 15:28 <smxy> but if that's disabled when a region starts, is it honored?
2015-04-19 15:28 <BlueWall> not at a place I can look atm.
2015-04-19 15:28 <smxy> It could be tested though. :)
2015-04-19 15:28 <BlueWall> if the flag says disabled, it should.
2015-04-19 15:29 <BlueWall> if you set that prior to the region start in the database, then they can toggle them on when they login.
2015-04-19 15:30 <smxy> Let me look at that table.
2015-04-19 15:30 <BlueWall> I think flipping that in the db has no effect in itself once the region is running.
2015-04-19 15:32 <smxy> There isn't a specific flag for it in the regions table. Just a flags field.
2015-04-19 15:40 <BlueWall> regionsettings table - `disable_scripts`
2015-04-19 15:48 <smxy> ah, you said regions table :)
2015-04-19 15:49 <smxy> I didn't think to look in the other, as I got distracted by my residents all wanting to chat at once, lol
2015-04-19 15:49 <smxy> thanks
2015-04-19 15:51 <BlueWall> yeah, I had to look for it myself
2015-04-19 19:19 <osmantis> Bug #7529:04 NPC's Freeze A Region Simulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7529 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-19 19:20 <osmantis> Bug #7529:04 NPC's Freeze A Region Simulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7529 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-19 19:21 <osmantis> Bug #7529:04 NPC's Freeze A Region Simulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7529 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-19 19:22 <osmantis> Bug #7529:04 NPC's Freeze A Region Simulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7529 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2015-04-19 21:06 <Plugh> nebadon: I just realized it is the 19th today and the sale on the memory I was looking at for my computer repair/upgrade ends today.
2015-04-19 21:41 <nebadon> Plugh, ya but I bet if you look you can find similar chips with a similar deal
2015-04-19 21:41 <nebadon> I had same thing happen to me when i got my stuff
2015-04-19 21:41 <nebadon> and I ended up getting better chips for same price
2015-04-19 21:43 <Plugh> I'm not sure I could find much better than those G.Skill ones.
2015-04-19 21:44 <Plugh> If I did, it would probably mean ordering from a different store.
2015-04-19 21:44 <nebadon> what was the link for them again?
2015-04-19 21:44 <Plugh> What I've read says the 9-9-9-24 is quite good for that ram
2015-04-19 21:45 <Plugh> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428
2015-04-19 21:48 <nebadon> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231538
2015-04-19 21:48 <nebadon> cas 8
2015-04-19 21:49 <nebadon> yea I cant find anything that has any discount codes
2015-04-19 21:50 <nebadon> what was the price with the code?
2015-04-19 21:50 <dahlia> kingston ftw
2015-04-19 21:53 <Plugh> um... sorry. Been busy around the house here. Family member returning anytime and I had to order some food.
2015-04-19 21:53 <Plugh> 149.99 with $18 off using the code
2015-04-19 21:54 <Plugh> nebadon, yea the 2x4G was the alternative.
2015-04-19 21:54 <dahlia> I've had my share of cheap ram. I now pay for kingston
2015-04-19 21:54 <Plugh> Oh, that is 1866
2015-04-19 21:55 <Plugh> ooh... and its 8-9-9-24 so even better, just 8G instead of 16. Still double the RAM over what I've been using on my Core 2 Duo
2015-04-19 21:56 <nebadon> oh the link you gave me was 8gb
2015-04-19 21:56 <nebadon> what was the link for the 16gb/
2015-04-19 21:57 <nebadon> ?
2015-04-19 21:57 <Plugh> nebadon: Hm... I might be better off with the 2x4G faster RAM and add another 2x4G later for 16G. Famous last words but I don't think I need 32G
2015-04-19 21:57 <Plugh> oh, I sent you the link for 2x4?
2015-04-19 21:57 <nebadon> I like G.Skill dahlia both my newest machines have them
2015-04-19 21:57 <nebadon> yes
2015-04-19 21:57 <nebadon> Kingston is good though too
2015-04-19 21:57 <Plugh> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231568
2015-04-19 21:57 <nebadon> ah ok cool let me look
2015-04-19 21:58 <dahlia> I figure paying for kingston out front is cheaper than buying something else and then buying kingston a few months later
2015-04-19 21:59 <nebadon> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231606
2015-04-19 21:59 <nebadon> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231609
2015-04-19 22:00 <nebadon> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231847
2015-04-19 22:03 <Plugh> Food has arrived and also a family member. I'll pick this up again later.
2015-04-19 22:57 <misterblue> looks like the viewer keeps doing a ParcelPropertiesRequest every time you right click for a menu and everytime you edit for any update to the object being edited
2015-04-19 22:57 <misterblue> guess it's getting the update of the parcel bitmap to check for permissions
2015-04-19 22:58 <misterblue> I wonder if I have to send the information, though... it should have all that information anyway
2015-04-19 22:59 <misterblue> the problem is that the parcel info packet is 4K for a 256x256 region and 1MB for a 4Kx4K region!!!
2015-04-19 23:06 <nebadon> yea that sounds nasty
2015-04-19 23:06 <nebadon> 4k region is gigantic
2015-04-19 23:07 <misterblue> the parcel info packet is 64KB for a 1Kx1K region... better but still a lot
2015-04-19 23:07 <misterblue> I guess the viewer just keeps asking for the data just in case
2015-04-19 23:08 <nebadon> can we throttle that?
2015-04-19 23:08 <misterblue> I don't know how much  the viewer really needs the info each time... but the viewer is probably waiting for the reply
2015-04-19 23:08 <nebadon> like shed 9 out of 10 requests or something?
2015-04-19 23:08 <nebadon> oh hrmm
2015-04-19 23:09 <misterblue> that's what I was hoping to do
2015-04-19 23:09 <misterblue> now I need to find a viewer person to help 
2015-04-19 23:09 <nebadon> you would think they would have figured out some way to see if there was an actual change
2015-04-19 23:09 <nebadon> transmit a hash
2015-04-19 23:09 <nebadon> or something 
2015-04-19 23:09 <nebadon> instead of the entire packet every time
2015-04-19 23:10 <misterblue> ya... but at 4K and only while editing... not worth the optimization
2015-04-19 23:11 <dahlia> isnt a UDP packet limited to 64k?
2015-04-19 23:11 <dahlia> not a packet but a datagram
2015-04-19 23:11 <dahlia> if it's larger I'm surprised it works at all
2015-04-19 23:11 <misterblue> yes.... the code ships multiple packets to cover the whole region
2015-04-19 23:12 <dahlia> packets are limited to MTU which is usually around 1k
2015-04-19 23:12 <dahlia> datagrams are multiple packets
2015-04-19 23:12 <dahlia> but are limited to 64k
2015-04-19 23:12 <dahlia> unless it sends multiple datagrams
2015-04-19 23:13 <dahlia> 
ACTION notes that the libomv definition of a "packet" is more likely a datagram

2015-04-19 23:42 <LiruCookies> misterblue: Try starving the viewer a bit
2015-04-19 23:43 <misterblue> do you think it might not be waiting for the parcel info replies?
2015-04-19 23:43 <LiruCookies> Lemme see, what's the packet you send back in that case?
2015-04-19 23:43 <LiruCookies> Message name?
2015-04-19 23:44 <LiruCookies> ParcelPropertiesUpdate?
2015-04-19 23:44 <misterblue> ParcelOverlayPacket
2015-04-19 23:45 <LiruCookies> That doesn't exist.
2015-04-19 23:46 <misterblue> just ParcelOverlay?
2015-04-19 23:46 <LiruCookies> Yep, that exists
2015-04-19 23:47 <misterblue> OpenSim makes things worse by sending them out the Task trottle queue
2015-04-19 23:48 <LiruCookies> Why would we need the overlay when editing an object?
2015-04-19 23:50 <misterblue> I can only figure it is making sure the object hasn't moved to somewhere it can't be
2015-04-19 23:50 <LiruCookies> That's not the overlay, though, is it?
2015-04-19 23:51 <LiruCookies> Isn't that part of the interest list?
2015-04-19 23:51 <dahlia> should viewer even care which parcel it's in?
2015-04-19 23:52 <misterblue> it could be OS is just doing it wrong....
2015-04-19 23:52 <LiruCookies> Go try with message logger open in SL
2015-04-19 23:52 <misterblue> the code replies to a ParcelPropertiesRequest from the viewer by sending a ParcelProperties message and the ParcelOverlay message
2015-04-19 23:53 <dahlia> why is viewer requesting?
2015-04-19 23:53 <LiruCookies> Why ParcelOverlay?
2015-04-19 23:53 <LiruCookies> Why not just ParcelProperties?
2015-04-19 23:53 <dahlia> I'd think 1) viewer shouldnt be requesting, and 2) sim should ignore too many requests
2015-04-19 23:54 <misterblue> that I don't know the answer to... would be cool if it didn't need to be sent
2015-04-19 23:55 <misterblue> the viewer should be checking parcel permissions when editing... you can't move an object being edited into a parcel it is not allowed
2015-04-19 23:55 <LiruCookies> Hey wait
2015-04-19 23:55 <dahlia> what would be example of legitimage request for that/ opening map and displaying parcel boundaries?
2015-04-19 23:55 <misterblue> and it could be just something not optimized -- for legacy regions, the ParcelOverlay message is just 4K
2015-04-19 23:55 <LiruCookies> ParcelPropertiesRequest is only sent during llviewerparcelmgr.cpp
2015-04-19 23:55 <dahlia> or I guess parcel boundaries can be in normal view also (not just the map)
2015-04-19 23:57 <LiruCookies> selectCollisionParcel() or selectLand() or setHoverParcel()
2015-04-19 23:58 <misterblue> I see OS getting a ParcelPropertiesRequest if I am editing and object and just move the object
2015-04-19 23:58 <LiruCookies> Not selectCollisionParcel, this is only during left click
2015-04-19 23:58 <misterblue> could be the click on the movement edit arrow is touching the land behind it?
2015-04-20 00:00 <LiruCookies> Not from god tools, so this must be LLToolSelectLand::handleMouseUp, which is a left click, so nope.
2015-04-20 00:03 <LiruCookies> If we can assume that LLToolBrushLand (terraforming tool) isn't in use, it's not from that handleHover.
2015-04-20 00:03 <Plugh> Food is over and done with and I've caught up on the events of the past few days.
2015-04-20 00:05 <LiruCookies> So then it must be LLHoverView::pickCallback?
2015-04-20 00:05 <misterblue> oddness
2015-04-20 00:05 <LiruCookies> Ah
2015-04-20 00:05 <LiruCookies> The toolpie would be momentarily the current tool...
2015-04-20 00:05 <LiruCookies> Not typing and not mouselook...
2015-04-20 00:06 <Plugh> dahlia: I'm with you in that I've often bought Kingston memory in the past. I'm not familiar with all these "new" brands now on the market.
2015-04-20 00:06 <LiruCookies> Yep, this is on right click
2015-04-20 00:07 <LiruCookies> No
2015-04-20 00:07 <nebadon> when it comes to memory
2015-04-20 00:07 <nebadon> its all pretty much from 2 locations on earth
2015-04-20 00:07 <nebadon> Taiwan and China
2015-04-20 00:07 <LiruCookies> We'd only request a parcel when we've rightclicked and didn't pick an object here.
2015-04-20 00:07 <nebadon> regardless of whos on the sticker
2015-04-20 00:07 <nebadon> it all comes from the same place pretty much
2015-04-20 00:13 <Plugh> nebadon: Thanks for the other links to memory. I'm not going to worry about the ones that are on sale. I think you pointed to a couple that were as good, if not better.
2015-04-20 00:13 <nebadon> yea
2015-04-20 00:13 <nebadon> newegg always has a good deal on something
2015-04-20 00:14 <nebadon> and while G.Skill sounds like a cheezy name
2015-04-20 00:14 <nebadon> I was super impressed with the quality
2015-04-20 00:15 <dahlia> nebadon: it's not necessarily where it comes from but how well it tested at the end of the production line, and if it was seconds sold to other labels
2015-04-20 00:15 <nebadon> most of their stuff is meant to be overclocked
2015-04-20 00:15 <nebadon> so if you run it at stock speeds its going to last
2015-04-20 00:15 <nebadon> I am pretty sure G.Skill produces their own chips
2015-04-20 00:16 <dahlia> I have no knowledge of G.Skill
2015-04-20 00:16 <nebadon> the chips have very solid feeling heatsinks on them
2015-04-20 00:16 <dahlia> but making memory requires $billions of fabrication assets
2015-04-20 00:16 <nebadon> both of my current machines have nearly idetnical chips
2015-04-20 00:19 <Plugh> One of those three links mentions Intel so perhaps that is best used on an MB using Intel CPU and/or chipset.
2015-04-20 00:19 <nebadon> I dont think it truly matters
2015-04-20 00:19 <nebadon> however you can check the motherboard makers site
2015-04-20 00:19 <nebadon> they usually have a list of recommended / tested chips
2015-04-20 00:19 <Plugh> Ares Series or Super Gaming Series?? Not sure that matters much. Not sure what the difference is between them. The basic timing numbers are the same of 9-9-9-24
2015-04-20 00:20 <nebadon> yea im not sure it matters much, sometimes they just have different heatsink configurations
2015-04-20 00:20 <nebadon> to fit different style setups
2015-04-20 00:20 <nebadon> since your not going to be overclocking, the gigant heatsink fins will not make much of a difference
2015-04-20 00:21 <nebadon> i would suggest reading through the customer reviews
2015-04-20 00:21 <nebadon> get a feel for what people say
2015-04-20 00:21 <nebadon> thats usually the best way to guage the quality
2015-04-20 00:34 <Plugh> nebadon: Just found this with even better timings for an 8G set of RAM -> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231536
2015-04-20 00:36 <Plugh> Specs state compatability with AMD AM3+
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2015-04-20 00:38 <Plugh> I don't get the clock(?) rate on the memory when the other timing specs seem to be the same, or worse, compared to RAM with a slower clock rate.
2015-04-20 00:47 <nebadon> yea memory timing is wierd, those numbers do not mean a whole lot
2015-04-20 00:47 <nebadon> it means like 1-2% difference in benchmarks
2015-04-20 00:47 <nebadon> hehe
2015-04-20 00:48 <nebadon> however there probably is a big difference between cas 7 and cas 10
2015-04-20 00:48 <nebadon> but from like 7 to 8 its not huge etc..
2015-04-20 00:51 <Plugh> Without the $18 discount on the 2x8G RAM I found better for less that has cas 7 -> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231628
2015-04-20 00:52 <nebadon> ya thats nice memory
2015-04-20 00:52 <nebadon> personally i would say go with more memory than the slightly faster memory
2015-04-20 00:52 <Plugh> Too bad it isn't in blue  :)
2015-04-20 00:52 <nebadon> the benefit of more ram far out weighs ever having to swap
2015-04-20 00:52 <nebadon> because no matter how fast your ram is
2015-04-20 00:52 <nebadon> if you swap its only as fast as your hard drive is
2015-04-20 00:53 <Plugh> Ive been running with 4G and not been swapping, AFAIK
2015-04-20 00:53 <nebadon> ya but having more is more future proof too
2015-04-20 00:53 <nebadon> means you can do a lot more
2015-04-20 00:53 <nebadon> be more productive
2015-04-20 00:53 <Plugh> true
2015-04-20 00:54 <Plugh> My machine under Linux is running a lot of stuff. Full ISP suite of software (mail system, web server, database) and then I have other programs running.
2015-04-20 00:55 <nebadon> 8 cpu cores almost demands you have 16gb :)
2015-04-20 00:56 <LiruCookies> misterblue: I don't think that is asking for the overlay at all..
2015-04-20 00:56 <LiruCookies> misterblue: In fact, I'm pretty sure that none of the situations I just brought up require the overlay.
2015-04-20 00:56 <Plugh> It will be nice to get a machine up and running again that is running Linux.
2015-04-20 00:56 <misterblue> so you think the sim doesn't need to send that info?
2015-04-20 00:56 <LiruCookies> misterblue: Just test the change and make sure nothing explodes.
2015-04-20 00:57 <LiruCookies> fairly certain, though!
2015-04-20 00:57 <misterblue> well, I'll pass it by Mel (who usually knows all the odd interaction cases) but will be glad to remove it
2015-04-20 00:57 <Melanie_T> erm
2015-04-20 00:57 <Melanie_T> one sec
2015-04-20 00:57 <Plugh> Speak of Mel and she appears. :)
2015-04-20 00:57 <Melanie_T> lol what is the question?
2015-04-20 00:58 <Melanie_T> cliffs notes version
2015-04-20 00:59 <LiruCookies> ParcelPropertiesRequest from viewer is right now responded to with ParcelProperties and ParcelOverlay from opensim, the Overlay can be quite large, and I'm pretty certain we don't need it then.
2015-04-20 01:00 <OtakuMegane> Ohh, that issue. -_-
2015-04-20 01:00 <Melanie_T> if it's not sent at that time, the SL behavior of seeing property lines updated when right-cliking the ground (with view property lines on) will break
2015-04-20 01:01 <Melanie_T> if youd for instance just reclaimed land, sold land
2015-04-20 01:01 <Melanie_T> in sl when you right-click any land, the colors of the property lines will change
2015-04-20 01:01 <Melanie_T> that message causes it
2015-04-20 01:01 <OtakuMegane> Ok, that makes sense.
2015-04-20 01:01 <Melanie_T> it would be large id suspect, only in a varregion
2015-04-20 01:02 <Melanie_T> it's 256 ints in a normal region
2015-04-20 01:02 <misterblue> the ParcelOverlay message is 1MB for a 4Kx4K region
2015-04-20 01:02 <misterblue> it's 4K for a 256x256 region
2015-04-20 01:02 <Melanie_T> yes it's exponential
2015-04-20 01:02 <Melanie_T> but intoday's internet, what is 1M
2015-04-20 01:02 <OtakuMegane> On vars it will start lagging interaction after just a few clicks in a short period.
2015-04-20 01:03 <misterblue> the viewer sends a ParcelPropertiesRequest whenever you right click and whenever an object being editted is changed
2015-04-20 01:03 <Melanie_T> hrm?
2015-04-20 01:03 <nebadon> isnt it like 1MB x 1000
2015-04-20 01:03 <misterblue> people right click multiple times and the editing causes lots of t hem
2015-04-20 01:03 <Melanie_T> when you edit objects, you should see ObjectPropertiesFamilyRequest
2015-04-20 01:03 <Melanie_T> not a parcel query
2015-04-20 01:03 <Melanie_T> viewer bug?
2015-04-20 01:03 <misterblue> the response is sent in the Task throttle queue
2015-04-20 01:04 <OtakuMegane> My server is on a gigabit connection so it's definitely not bandwidth choking, it's something in the simulator that's laggy.
2015-04-20 01:04 <Melanie_T> well, i'm not happy with breaking functionality land/sim owners need to accomdate vars
2015-04-20 01:04 <dahlia> I think you also get ObjectProperties when you hover, not just edit
2015-04-20 01:04 <Melanie_T> so maybe a retriggerable timer
2015-04-20 01:04 <Melanie_T> that sends it after no more request for 10 seconds
2015-04-20 01:05 <Melanie_T> dahlia, ye, to populate the tooltip
2015-04-20 01:05 <OtakuMegane> I'm wondering why it is things start choking.
2015-04-20 01:05 <misterblue> the timer thing was what I was thinking... wondered if the viewer would notice not getting all the messages
2015-04-20 01:05 <nebadon> threadpool maybe
2015-04-20 01:06 <Melanie_T> misterblue: simply eliminating it is not an option
2015-04-20 01:06 <misterblue> could also fix so it only sent when asked if it had changed
2015-04-20 01:06 <Melanie_T> that seriously hampers parcel management
2015-04-20 01:06 <Melanie_T> as you don't see changes you make reflected
2015-04-20 01:06 <OtakuMegane> If it's having issues in creating/loading the info then maybe a check to see if anything has changed.
2015-04-20 01:06 <misterblue> if sent when changed, you'd see the changes
2015-04-20 01:06 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-04-20 01:06 <Melanie_T> i you want to track one more thing per user
2015-04-20 01:07 <misterblue> suppressing unconditionally is not good
2015-04-20 01:10 <OtakuMegane> Agreed that eliminating it won't work too well. Have to figure out the root cause I guess. I can't imagine the process is that intensive.
2015-04-20 01:12 <misterblue> I'll look into only sending when changed... will reduce most of the observed problems
2015-04-20 01:20 <LiruCookies> Melanie_T: It happens when we set hover object, probably... which would be during pie tool or terraform tool... 
2015-04-20 02:31 <danbanner> ping bluewall
2015-04-20 02:31 <danbanner> ping AliciaRaven
2015-04-20 02:31 <AliciaRaven> hi danbanner
2015-04-20 02:31 <danbanner> hi
2015-04-20 02:32 <danbanner> question about that drag commit
2015-04-20 02:32 <AliciaRaven> yep?
2015-04-20 02:32 <danbanner> if a prim has a touich script inside it can be dragged around
2015-04-20 02:32 <danbanner> without using ctrl
2015-04-20 02:32 <danbanner> kind of a bad thing 
2015-04-20 02:33 <danbanner> is this behavior not intended?
2015-04-20 02:33 <danbanner> and im able to drag other users stuff around too
2015-04-20 02:34 <danbanner> on their land
2015-04-20 02:34 <AliciaRaven> yea thats very bad, i will look into it, no that shouldnt happen, but the viewer must be sending the drag packets to the sim when it shouldnt
2015-04-20 02:34 <AliciaRaven> what viewer are u using?
2015-04-20 02:34 <danbanner> singularity and firestorm
2015-04-20 02:35 <AliciaRaven> i tested if i could drag some one elses objects and it wouldnt let me
2015-04-20 02:35 <danbanner> ya well its bad when you cant click your own stuff too without stuff getting repositioned
2015-04-20 02:36 <danbanner> mebbe i can move stuff due to userlevel
2015-04-20 02:36 <danbanner> lemme test
2015-04-20 02:36 <AliciaRaven> it should only do it when ctrl is held down
2015-04-20 02:36 <danbanner> i can move stuff without even touching the keyboard
2015-04-20 02:36 <AllenKerensky> yeah same here
2015-04-20 02:36 <AliciaRaven> asfar as i could tell it worked the same as in sl, i didnt test with a touch script
2015-04-20 02:36 <danbanner> stuff that has the hand icron like touch scripted stuff
2015-04-20 02:36 <LiruCookies> Yeah, that only happens when ctrl is held or we are in the build floater under the hand icon
2015-04-20 02:37 <danbanner> im not in build or touching the keys
2015-04-20 02:37 <danbanner> normal prims are fine
2015-04-20 02:37 <LiruCookies> (uhm, different hand icon than danbanner just meant)
2015-04-20 02:37 <danbanner> its the touch ones
2015-04-20 02:37 <AllenKerensky> yeah if the item has a script-touch (like a vendor) - then it can be left-click and drag with no keys down
2015-04-20 02:38 <LiruCookies> That shouldn't happen
2015-04-20 02:38 <nebadon> heh ya that is bad
2015-04-20 02:38 <danbanner> yes very
2015-04-20 02:38 <nebadon> maybe we should be reverting plazas
2015-04-20 02:38 <osmantis> Bug #7533:04 Touch Evented Prims Can Be Dragged By Anyone 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7533 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-04-20 02:39 <nebadon> unless someone comes up with a super quick fix
2015-04-20 02:40 <danbanner> i havent got to all the plazas yet
2015-04-20 02:40 <nebadon> ok cool
2015-04-20 02:40 <danbanner> so its limited to the current osgrid build
2015-04-20 02:40 <LiruCookies> Can you move without permission, though?
2015-04-20 02:40 <danbanner> i guess i need to pull that off
2015-04-20 02:40 <AliciaRaven> i cant drag any item, evgen if i own it, unless i own the land its on
2015-04-20 02:40 <LiruCookies> If not, it's nnot too terrible.
2015-04-20 02:40 <nebadon> yea I would for the moment danbanner
2015-04-20 02:40 <nebadon> shoot out a twit
2015-04-20 02:41 <AliciaRaven> i think u gotta own the land before it would let u drag, so i dont think there is a security issue
2015-04-20 02:42 <nebadon> well lets be sure
2015-04-20 02:42 <nebadon> could be messy otherwise
2015-04-20 02:42 <AliciaRaven> oh wait, dam im using a sim that doesnt have the patch
2015-04-20 02:45 <osmantis> Bug #7529:04 NPC's Freeze A Region Simulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7529 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-20 02:46 <nebadon> BlueWall whenever you apply patch we should set the mantis to resolved
2015-04-20 02:46 <nebadon> the original commiter can still comment and change status
2015-04-20 02:47 <nebadon> then if they are satisfied they close it
2015-04-20 02:47 <danbanner> yes, confirmed: anyone can drag stuff with a touch script
2015-04-20 02:47 <nebadon> well anyone can comment etc still and say if its fixed or not
2015-04-20 02:49 <dahlia> oops an overzealous uncomment?
2015-04-20 02:49 <nebadon> did you see something specific dahlia?
2015-04-20 02:50 <dahlia> no
2015-04-20 02:50 <AliciaRaven> LiruCookies, why would the viewer send the drag packets if a touch script is there?
2015-04-20 02:50 <dahlia> sim probably shouldnt allow drag if no edit perms, and probably should disable if touch is enabled
2015-04-20 02:51 <BlueWall> I can do that, but I did not have an opprotunity to test it in the simulator here, so I added "Applied patch. Please test and post your results. Thanks!" to explane the state of the work.
2015-04-20 02:51 <danbanner> maybe someone can revert that commit for now
2015-04-20 02:51 <misterblue> I can do that
2015-04-20 02:51 <danbanner> thanks
2015-04-20 02:51 <BlueWall> the prin grab one?
2015-04-20 02:51 <dahlia> 
ACTION unpacks the giant pointy finger of blame and waits for a suitable unsuspecting victim...

2015-04-20 02:51 <danbanner> yup
2015-04-20 02:51 <BlueWall> prim.
2015-04-20 02:52 <misterblue> I can drag things around by clicking on them
2015-04-20 02:52 <BlueWall> maybe that is why it was commentedt in the code to start with.
2015-04-20 02:52 <danbanner> probably
2015-04-20 02:52 <nebadon> you mean physical items misterblue?
2015-04-20 02:52 <BlueWall> So, anyways, it is good to know what it needs.
2015-04-20 02:52 <danbanner> the commit says nonphysical
2015-04-20 02:53 <AllenKerensky> yeah the prims I could move were nonphys
2015-04-20 02:53 <misterblue> no... non-physical block in my region with a touch script... left click, move mouse, prim moves
2015-04-20 02:53 <nebadon> ah ok
2015-04-20 02:53 <BlueWall> the prims that are moveable, are they marked "anyone can move"?
2015-04-20 02:53 <AllenKerensky> nope
2015-04-20 02:53 <danbanner> no
2015-04-20 02:53 <dahlia> I remember in SL you used to be able to stop any physical object by grab, and people in yacht races would grab each other's yachts
2015-04-20 02:53 <nebadon> yea i remember that
2015-04-20 02:53 <AliciaRaven> i think i have a fix, im testing now
2015-04-20 02:53 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-20 02:54 <nebadon> ok cool AliciaRaen
2015-04-20 02:54 <BlueWall> ok, so that work might predate some of the permissions modules.
2015-04-20 02:54 <nebadon> plenty of devs with commit available :)
2015-04-20 02:54 <misterblue> shall I revert or wait for you, Alicia?
2015-04-20 02:54 <nebadon> might as well wait
2015-04-20 02:55 <misterblue> guess we know now why Adam had commented out the move code :)
2015-04-20 02:55 <dahlia> can you find the commit where it was commented and see what the log says?
2015-04-20 02:56 <AliciaRaven> it was never uncommented
2015-04-20 03:00 <misterblue> SceneGraph.MoveObject does call CanMoveObject before calling SOG.GrabMovement
2015-04-20 03:00 <AliciaRaven> my fix stops others dragging scripted prims but u can still drag ur own, should i do the patch quick now or wait till i block moving ur own stuff with out ctrl
2015-04-20 03:00 <AliciaRaven> i had ommited checking the blockgrab boolean
2015-04-20 03:01 <AliciaRaven> sorry :(
2015-04-20 03:02 <misterblue> is BlockGrab normally set by default? I don't see where it is set
2015-04-20 03:02 <AliciaRaven> seems that unless the viewer has ctrl down, it shouldnt send the drag packets, but in the case of scripted items it does
2015-04-20 03:03 <AliciaRaven> if (!BlockGrabOverride && !part.BlockGrab)
2015-04-20 03:03 <AliciaRaven> not sure which of those two is stopping the drag
2015-04-20 03:07 <misterblue> You moving that if() outside any move code?
2015-04-20 03:07 <AliciaRaven> i copied that line from the physical code and added it above the code i enabled for non physical so it does the same check for both
2015-04-20 03:08 <AliciaRaven> i cant see where its set other than from scripts, but it does stop other people dragging so it must be set some where
2015-04-20 03:09 <misterblue> I just tested it with that if() outside any of the movement code... stopped moving on left click... does't move with Cntl held down
2015-04-20 03:10 <AliciaRaven> it is for me, where are u placing it?
2015-04-20 03:11 <AliciaRaven> i have it outside NonPhysicalGrabMovement(pos);
2015-04-20 03:12 <misterblue> I moved it outside any movement code... before getting the physical actor
2015-04-20 03:12 <misterblue> not sure where the permission to move with the Cntl key comes from
2015-04-20 03:13 <misterblue> I don't see the check in PermissionsModule.CanMoveObject()
2015-04-20 03:13 <AliciaRaven> maybe its the viewer, in which case its not secure
2015-04-20 03:14 <misterblue> probably best to revert then until this is understood better
2015-04-20 03:14 <AliciaRaven> if i try to drag some one elses, that has no script, the viewer shows the drag icon with a lock, but when i try and drag their scripted item, it shows the icon with no lock, but the change i made blocks it server side
2015-04-20 03:14 <AliciaRaven> yes
2015-04-20 03:16 <misterblue> there is some interaction between having touch scripts and the permission to move
2015-04-20 03:17 <misterblue> I've looked at the logic that sends the bits to the viewer to change the cursor... it is a long path
2015-04-20 03:17 <AliciaRaven> also, with no ctrl held down, why would the viewer send the messages?
2015-04-20 03:18 <dahlia> viewer logic probably changes when touch is enabled
2015-04-20 03:18 <misterblue> true... but can't trust a viewer... you never know who it has been hanging out with
2015-04-20 03:19 <dahlia> <.<  >.>
2015-04-20 03:19 <AliciaRaven> yep
2015-04-20 03:20 <misterblue> are you goint to revert that commit or shall I, Alicia?
2015-04-20 03:20 <AliciaRaven> testing in SL, and it a prim has a touch script, drag is blocked
2015-04-20 03:21 <AliciaRaven> could u do it plz, will be faster than me doing a patch
2015-04-20 03:21 <dahlia> should probably revert before it spreads
2015-04-20 03:22 <misterblue> k... I will revert now
2015-04-20 03:23 <AliciaRaven> k thanks
2015-04-20 03:25 <misterblue> Was there an OSGrid release recently? Which side of this commit was that on?
2015-04-20 03:26 <AllenKerensky> there was and it was pulled earlier
2015-04-20 03:26 <misterblue> k
2015-04-20 03:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #4133 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-04-20 03:33 <misterblue> like dahlia said... an object with a touch script probably sends touch/drag events no matter...
2015-04-20 03:34 <AliciaRaven> im testing with a block for the prim flag for touch
2015-04-20 03:34 <misterblue> I think the Cntl drag check would properly go into PermmissionsModule.CanMoveObject() but not sure how
2015-04-20 03:34 <AliciaRaven> can the sim tell if the viewer has ctrl down?
2015-04-20 03:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4133: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4133/
2015-04-20 03:35 <osjenkins> misterblue: Revert "Enable grab feature (Ctrl+Drag) for non-physical link-sets and add code to handle spin (Ctrl+Shift+Drag)"
2015-04-20 03:36 <misterblue> well maybe not CanMoveObject... 
2015-04-20 03:37 <misterblue> need somewhere to check that one wants to move the object
2015-04-20 03:39 <misterblue> it does seem like a LLClientView sort of thing... funny keyboard combination that is setting off grab/movement
2015-04-20 03:40 <AliciaRaven> did u say that it was checking CanMoveObject when calling grab?
2015-04-20 03:42 <misterblue> yes... LLClientView.HandleObjectGrabUpdate is calling OnGrabUpdate which calls SceneGraph.MoveObject which calls PermissionsModule.CanMoveObject before calling SceneObjectGroup.GrabMovement
2015-04-20 03:42 <AliciaRaven> its strange that it can pass the perm test
2015-04-20 03:44 <misterblue> the permissions check is a big tangle of if() statements... not sure it covers any case it wasn't designed for
2015-04-20 03:47 <misterblue> fun... OnGrabUpdate has two handlers... one in Scene who does the touch and then the code in SceneGraph that does any grab movement
2015-04-20 03:48 <AliciaRaven> i have a solution, i will make a patch, would u try it out?
2015-04-20 03:57 <misterblue> sure...
2015-04-20 03:58 <misterblue> you can create a branch and push that... then people can try it out
2015-04-20 03:59 <AliciaRaven> i dont have push rights, i will add a patch to the mantis in a couple of mins
2015-04-20 03:59 <misterblue> k
2015-04-20 04:47 <osmantis> Bug #7533:04 Touch Evented Prims Can Be Dragged By Anyone 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7533 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-04-20 04:48 <dahlia> OpenSim II :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W7WE1oP7d4
2015-04-20 04:48 <AliciaRaven> misterblue, if ur still around could u see if that fixes all the issues, i didnt include the block grab checks because i think they are only relivent to physical objects and the script flags
2015-04-20 04:59 <misterblue> Alicia, I will look at this tomorrow...
2015-04-20 05:00 <AliciaRaven> ok thanks, need to get some sleep myself, 6am here lol
2015-04-20 05:02 <misterblue> I saw your commit time :)
2015-04-20 05:02 <misterblue> night all
2015-04-20 05:02 <AliciaRaven> night :)
2015-04-20 05:22 <AliciaRaven> if any regions are running the original grab patch, its not as bad as it first seemed, the code changes the position and sends the update to the viewer, but doesnt mark it as being updated so the change is not stored
2015-04-20 05:23 <LiruCookies> AliciaRaven: That is a lot to catch up on, but to answer your wuestion it is because a physical object gets dragged around by those with permission
2015-04-20 05:24 <LiruCookies> without holding control
2015-04-20 05:25 <AliciaRaven> kk i have a new patch that blocks scripted objects from being dragged which seems to be what LL does, i just need to change it to persist the position change now
2015-04-20 05:25 <AliciaRaven> only for non physical, doesnt change physical grabs
2015-04-20 05:39 <osmantis> Bug #7533:04 Touch Evented Prims Can Be Dragged By Anyone 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7533 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-04-20 09:07 <osmantis> Bug #7532:04 Camera upon unsit in Lifts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7532 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-20 12:55 <osmantis> Bug #7379:04 Group permissions to build are not reflected in viewer land icons and build button 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7379 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-20 16:51 <Plugh> bbl. lunch time
2015-04-20 19:53 <osmantis> Bug #7533:04 Touch Evented Prims Can Be Dragged By Anyone 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7533 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-20 19:54 <osmantis> Bug #7534:04 llGetBoundingBox only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7534 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-04-20 19:56 <osmantis> Bug #7534:04 llGetBoundingBox only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7534 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-04-20 20:46 <osmantis> Bug #7534:04 llGetBoundingBox only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7534 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-04-20 20:50 <nebadon> AliciaRaven is your patch for drag stuff ready to go?
2015-04-20 20:50 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, i think so, i have changed it to ignore scripted objects, also before it didnt save the position changes
2015-04-20 20:51 <AliciaRaven> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7533
2015-04-20 20:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #4134 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-04-20 20:51 <AliciaRaven> v3 of the patch is attached there
2015-04-20 20:51 <nebadon> ok im testing on my sandbox
2015-04-20 20:51 <LiruCookies> Does moving a physical object work?
2015-04-20 20:51 <LiruCookies> Just curious
2015-04-20 20:52 <AliciaRaven> i didnt change physical objects so yes, if u have the right to move it
2015-04-20 20:55 <LiruCookies> Coolcool
2015-04-20 20:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4134: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4134/
2015-04-20 20:56 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: Implement llGetBoundingBox fully.
2015-04-20 20:59 <nebadon> ok looks good
2015-04-20 21:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #4135 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-04-20 21:01 <osmantis> Bug #7533:04 Touch Evented Prims Can Be Dragged By Anyone 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7533 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-20 21:01 <osmantis> Bug #7533:04 Touch Evented Prims Can Be Dragged By Anyone 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7533 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-04-20 21:04 <osmantis> Bug #7509:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams can't set some prim parameters as small as the viewer can 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7509 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-04-20 21:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4135: SUCCESS in 4 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4135/
2015-04-20 21:05 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: Enable grab feature (Ctrl+Drag) for non-physical link-sets and add code to handle spin (Ctrl+Shift+Drag)
2015-04-20 21:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #4136 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-04-20 21:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4136: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4136/
2015-04-20 21:09 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: Allow setting profilecut diff to 0.02 from scripts just like from viewer.
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2015-04-20 23:56 <dahlia> that bounding box patch looks very expensive and redundant, I wonder if whoever implemented it considered querying the physics engine instead?
2015-04-21 00:01 <dahlia> something that expensive should probably be throttled
2015-04-21 03:14 <misterblue> someone should add 'energy' to the script engine
2015-04-21 03:20 <nebadon> dahlia maybe make a note of your thoughts on that mantis
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2015-04-21 05:36 <osmantis> Bug #7509:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParams can't set some prim parameters as small as the viewer can 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7509 ): has been CLOSED
2015-04-21 05:41 <osmantis> Bug #7534:04 llGetBoundingBox only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7534 ): has been CLOSED
2015-04-21 09:09 <osmantis> Bug #6656:04 Uniformity of handling local and hypergrid teleportable links in Chat/IM and incorrect FROM grid addresses on HG TP 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6656 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-21 12:55 <osmantis> Bug #7535:04 Non-Standard avatars bouncing-jerking movement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7535 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-04-21 17:55 <osmantis> Bug #7531:04 V2 OfflineIM messages HG to HG don't get send to the user after logging in. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7531 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-04-21 18:18 <osmantis> Bug #7535:04 Non-Standard avatars bouncing-jerking movement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7535 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-04-21 19:17 <osmantis> Bug #7527:04 Seeing alot of HG users with the name Unknown UserUMMAU42 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7527 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-21 19:53 <LiruCookies> Hai all
2015-04-21 19:54 <dahlia> sup cookies
2015-04-21 19:54 <nebadon> 
ACTION waves to Liru

2015-04-21 19:54 <dahlia> nebadon: you sleep today?
2015-04-21 19:54 <LiruCookies> Not much, how're things here?
2015-04-21 19:55 <nebadon> no i was out sorry i missed the meeting
2015-04-21 19:55 <nebadon> i am there now chatting still
2015-04-21 19:55 <nebadon> showed up at like 3pm
2015-04-21 19:55 <nebadon> thought id get back in time
2015-04-21 19:55 <dahlia> well not much drama here
2015-04-21 19:55 <dahlia> need some drama to liven up the place :)
2015-04-21 19:56 <nebadon> 
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2015-04-21 19:57 <dahlia> OMG that had Melanie_T's brand new laptop on it!
2015-04-21 20:13 <Melanie_T> http://www.dramabutton.com/
2015-04-21 20:13 <dahlia> lol
2015-04-21 20:26 <JoeRadik> 
ACTION tries to bookmark the link, but stumbles upon difficulty trying to find an appropriate category.

2015-04-21 20:29 <nebadon> http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/
2015-04-21 21:21 <AliciaRaven> while investigating this unknown user name, i think i found a big problem with radegast
2015-04-21 21:22 <AliciaRaven> its constantly calling get user from user managment module for some reason
2015-04-21 22:03 <LiruCookies> So
2015-04-21 22:03 <LiruCookies> Has anyone looked into how left click to buy doessn't always work anymore?
2015-04-21 22:29 <LiruCookies> Now everyone's asleep, huh?
2015-04-21 22:35 <nebadon> first I have heard of that problem Liru
2015-04-21 22:36 <AliciaRaven> im still here, got alot of windows open, i heard about it but thought it was a viewer bug
2015-04-21 22:36 <dahlia> LiruCookies: I don't usually set up stuff to buy but I do have a few shopping regions from oar files where a lot of the vendors fail to left click buy bot some do work
2015-04-21 22:36 <dahlia> could just be set up wrong
2015-04-21 22:36 <AliciaRaven> some one said it worked ok with old viewers but was broken in recent ones
2015-04-21 22:37 <dahlia> unless you mean scripted buy?
2015-04-21 22:37 <LiruCookies> AliciaRaven: It's not a viewer bug, it was a change that was made by LL and it works with their grid without trouble, thats a grid bug.
2015-04-21 22:38 <AliciaRaven> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426
2015-04-21 22:38 <AliciaRaven> its marked as resolved?
2015-04-21 22:38 <LiruCookies> The change has been around for areally long time, we can't make a viewer change to solve the issue with existing firestorm versions.
2015-04-21 22:39 <AliciaRaven> although its been open and closed a few times
2015-04-21 22:39 <LiruCookies> Not scripted buy.
2015-04-21 22:39 <LiruCookies> Left click action buy
2015-04-21 22:39 <LiruCookies> It's a bit of a race, it seems
2015-04-21 22:40 <LiruCookies> It looks like since we set hover object twice, the sim keeps sending us the object
2015-04-21 22:44 <dahlia> ya left click buy seems kinda inconsistent to me, using replex from a few months back
2015-04-21 22:57 <LiruCookies> It is inconsistent, but that should be fixed on opensim side...
2015-04-21 22:58 <LiruCookies> requestObjectPropertiesFamily
2015-04-21 22:59 <LiruCookies> That's the message we send out.
2015-04-21 23:02 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): has been REOPENED.
2015-04-21 23:03 <AliciaRaven> LiruCookies, can u add your info to that mantis?
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2015-04-21 23:17 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-21 23:18 <LiruCookies> AliciaRaven: done
2015-04-21 23:19 <AliciaRaven> LiruCookies, thanks, i have some other prioritys right now but i will try and have a look into it, unless some one else does first
2015-04-21 23:19 <LiruCookies> AliciaRaven: Awesome, thank you!
2015-04-21 23:21 <AliciaRaven> np
2015-04-22 00:21 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-22 00:42 <CrasherRob> Messages "Failed to decode asset" and "Error decoding JPEG2000 texture" are written by Warp3DImageModule.cs. These messages do not include the prim's uuid, but the uuid is available higher up on the call stack. While the associated oar files do contain the texture files, I can't find the references to the texture files and can't find which prim references these broken textures.
2015-04-22 00:46 <CrasherRob> Is there a way to find out which prim references these broken textures? If not, could you just pass the prim uuid down the stack so it can be written with the error message? This looks like it's limited to just a few places in the Warp3DImageModule.
2015-04-22 00:57 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-22 01:20 <dahlia> CrasherRob: "Error decoding JPEG2000 texture" from the Warp3D module do not necessarily mean there is a bad asset, rather the asset could just be incompatible with the decoder in use. Viewers usually use a better decoder. 
2015-04-22 01:21 <dahlia> also Warp3D doesn't display full textures anyway, it only displays an average color.
2015-04-22 01:25 <CrasherRob> OK, thanks. Maybe the Warp3D module shouldn't write an exception about it then.
2015-04-22 01:28 <dahlia> that module could use a lot of improvement, but I wouldnt worry about a failed decode unless viewers failed to decode also
2015-04-22 01:28 <CrasherRob> Would I know if that happened?
2015-04-22 01:29 <dahlia> hmmm... probably see it as white in a viewer
2015-04-22 01:29 <dahlia> unless there's some color on the face also
2015-04-22 01:29 <dahlia> but would be blank
2015-04-22 01:30 <dahlia> I think you could take the texture uuid and display it on a prim
2015-04-22 01:30 <dahlia> llSetTexture()? cant remember for sure
2015-04-22 01:31 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-22 01:34 <CrasherRob> That would work to test them out, anyway. But if the texture's actually broken there still wouldn't be a way to find out which prim uses it.
2015-04-22 01:35 <dahlia> ya I'm not aware of any tools for that
2015-04-22 01:40 <dahlia> maybe if someone did add the object uuid(s) to the message, they could also add location(s)
2015-04-22 01:40 <dahlia> then you could get even more spam :)
2015-04-22 01:50 <CrasherRob> You can use show object id uuid on console to get the location.;)
2015-04-22 01:51 <dahlia> from the texture?
2015-04-22 02:16 <CrasherRob> No, if you had the prim uuid (which is known in Warp3D)
2015-04-22 02:17 <smxy> nebadon or bluewall: ping
2015-04-22 02:19 <smxy> I was wondering what the Suse version was that you had to abandon because of crashing and what kernel rev it used?
2015-04-22 02:26 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-04-22 05:29 <Trinity93> https://humboldt.craigslist.org/rvs/4986649886.html
2015-04-22 05:56 <dahlia> pffft... who wants that junk
2015-04-22 09:13 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-22 12:48 <osmantis> Bug #7536:04 [COALESCED SCENE OBJECTS SERIALIZER]: Deserialization of xml failed with Root element is missing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7536 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-04-22 17:01 <osmantis> Bug #7514:04 Can't rez items from OSGrid on my own grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7514 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-22 18:13 <CrasherRob> Does anyone know what the LSL break statement is supposed to do? It compiles, but apparently does nothing.
2015-04-22 18:16 <AliciaRaven> lsl has no break statement, people usualy use the goto as a hack to get out of loops if needed
2015-04-22 18:20 <H-H-H> doesnt lsl have case statements that use break ? just guessing
2015-04-22 18:22 <AliciaRaven> i think the best way to break out of a loop is while (my_bool); then change that to false to exit
2015-04-22 18:29 <AliciaRaven> no switch either, just an old feature request on the wiki and a work around saying use if statements instead
2015-04-22 18:29 <AliciaRaven> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Switch_Statement
2015-04-22 18:32 <H-H-H> ah ok ty
2015-04-22 18:43 <CrasherRob> OpenSim LSL compiles the break statement. Is that a bug?
2015-04-22 18:44 <CrasherRob> (It certainly was in the script I compiled :) )
2015-04-22 18:45 <AliciaRaven> i would say it was a bug, scripters should be warned that it wont work
2015-04-22 19:18 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-22 19:20 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2015-04-22 19:32 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-04-22 19:36 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-04-22 19:37 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-04-22 19:37 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-04-22 19:37 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): has been ACKNOWLEDGED.
2015-04-22 19:39 <osmantis> Bug #7537:04 LSL statements compile, but shouldn't 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7537 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-04-22 19:44 <CrasherRob> It turns out that any single term expression compiles, e.g. "while( FALSE ) {  marshmellow;  }" 
2015-04-22 19:51 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-22 19:53 <H-H-H> nice to know i am not the only one with that issue
2015-04-22 19:56 <osmantis> Bug #7537:04 LSL statements compile, but shouldn't 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7537 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-22 20:05 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-22 20:31 <osmantis> Bug #7514:04 Can't rez items from OSGrid on my own grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7514 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-22 21:01 <osmantis> Bug #7514:04 Can't rez items from OSGrid on my own grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7514 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-22 21:44 <osmantis> Bug #7441:04 Typo for example for Robust V2 GroupsServerURIOpenSim.ini.example 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7441 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-22 21:47 <osmantis> Bug #7441:04 Typo for example for Robust V2 GroupsServerURIOpenSim.ini.example 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7441 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-04-22 23:44 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-04-23 06:21 <osmantis> Bug #7514:04 Can't rez items from OSGrid on my own grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7514 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-23 15:31 <doug_maxwell> Good Morning Everyone.  The MOSES project is ready to begin submitting patches for review.  My signed distribution agreement is in your inbox.
2015-04-23 15:43 <JoeRadik> Cool! It will be interesting watching what develops.
2015-04-23 15:44 <doug_maxwell> I need to get acknowledgement of receipt before we proceed.
2015-04-23 16:13 <BeyBar> Rules of engagement, doug? :P
2015-04-23 16:23 <nebadon> where did you send it to doug?
2015-04-23 16:26 <nebadon> doug_maxwell I just shot an email to Justin
2015-04-23 16:26 <nebadon> I am not seeing it myself, but I am not sure where you sent it to either
2015-04-23 16:32 <BeyBar> doug_maxwell, silly question if I may: I have a long-running unease with objects knowing too much, like chairs knowing how people sit on them or bricks knowing how to be exploded. Is it correct to assume that you did try to simply build a wall of physical bricks, let a grenade object push them, and found the result to be too inefficient?
2015-04-23 17:02 <doug_maxwell> @BeyBar - yes
2015-04-23 17:02 <doug_maxwell> @BeyBar - we need the entire sim to be constructed in a manner that can react to physical interaction correctly
2015-04-23 17:03 <doug_maxwell> @BeyBar - in addition, we need efficient ray tracing to emulate sensor performance and correct vehicle movement
2015-04-23 17:09 <doug_maxwell> @nebadon - I just sent another copy to admin@overte.org
2015-04-23 17:38 <dahlia> efficient ray tracing?
2015-04-23 17:38 <doug_maxwell> Yes - real - time ray tracing to emulate a LIDAR scanner, for example
2015-04-23 17:38 <dahlia> in the sim?
2015-04-23 17:38 <doug_maxwell> each autonomous squad member has multiple scanners
2015-04-23 17:39 <doug_maxwell> robot behavior model is off-board, stimulated by simulated sensors in the sim
2015-04-23 17:39 <dahlia> bullet maintains a BVH
2015-04-23 17:40 <dahlia> well bullet can maintain one, not sure if BulletSim uses it
2015-04-23 17:40 <doug_maxwell> These are actual robots in current service, they look a lot like vehicles
2015-04-23 17:40 <dahlia> for collision acceleration but I think it has ray query methods also
2015-04-23 17:40 <doug_maxwell> correct
2015-04-23 17:41 <doug_maxwell> The LIDAR scanners we are targetting to emulate are 1000x1000 rays @ 30 hz
2015-04-23 17:41 <dahlia> lol good luck
2015-04-23 17:41 <doug_maxwell> lol - IKR - that's why we are using the havok engine with the addon sensor pack for current sims
2015-04-23 17:42 <doug_maxwell> I'd like to move to PhysX or use an enhanced Bullet Sim when it releases a multithreaded & GPU enabled engine
2015-04-23 17:42 <dahlia> Id be very surprised if havok could do that
2015-04-23 17:42 <doug_maxwell> It does
2015-04-23 17:42 <doug_maxwell> (expensively)
2015-04-23 17:42 <dahlia> maybe with a gpu
2015-04-23 17:43 <doug_maxwell> I prefer to work in open source so I can collaborate with industry and university partners openly
2015-04-23 17:43 <doug_maxwell> my current havok licensing is quite restrictive
2015-04-23 17:43 <dahlia> not sure how well the bullet gpu stuff works currently
2015-04-23 17:44 <zadark> @doug_maxwell How close is MOSES opensim fork on github to  including  review patches?
2015-04-23 17:48 <dahlia> I think a way to accelerate emulating something that is tracing such a high volume of rays would be to do it with a frustum (or several frustra) rather than individual rays
2015-04-23 17:48 <dahlia> depending on what you wanted to do with the results of course
2015-04-23 17:49 <dahlia> like if you wanted a depth map of a field of view, more traditional rendering techniques could simulate that very efficiently
2015-04-23 17:49 <doug_maxwell> @zadark - MOSES github has round 1 patches in it.
2015-04-23 17:49 <dahlia> and accurately
2015-04-23 17:50 <doug_maxwell> @zadark - Phase 1 was to fix Simulator FPS, Physics FPS, Total Frame Time, Physics Frame Time, and Simulation Time.
2015-04-23 17:51 <zadark> @doug_maxwell Noted, thanks. Can we expect Round 2 to be included at some point in time?
2015-04-23 17:51 <zadark> Round 2 -> Phase 2
2015-04-23 17:51 <doug_maxwell> We have Phase 2 ready to go.  We have been asked not to do a massive code drop all at once, so we made logical breaks and will submit
2015-04-23 17:52 <doug_maxwell> Phase 2 was to correct the broken user login freezes, XEngine Thread Count, Util Thread Count, System Thread Count, Proc Mem, Frame Dilation (previous the proposed Time Dilation).
2015-04-23 17:52 <zadark> Noted. Thanks for the update
2015-04-23 17:52 <doug_maxwell> Phase 3 will be to correct network reporting:  UDPIn, UDPOut, UDPInError, PktsIn, PktsOut, Avatar to IP list, Server-to-Client Ping, and Average Server Ping (External).
2015-04-23 17:53 <doug_maxwell> We are going to have Phase 3 code finished by tomorrow COB.  Will do unit and regression testing next week, then package the patch.  Hopefully by then the Phase 1 code will be accepted and Phase 2 under review.
2015-04-23 17:53 <doug_maxwell> There is a lot more we could do, but that is all we need to properly test our physics engine updates
2015-04-23 17:54 <dahlia> COB?
2015-04-23 17:54 <zadark> Progressive, good to see.
2015-04-23 17:54 <doug_maxwell> Close Of Business
2015-04-23 17:54 <dahlia> ty for addressing the time dilation issue :)
2015-04-23 17:56 <BeyBar> 
ACTION chatches self reminiscing about the penguins from Madagascar. :D (And yes, that's a compliment.)

2015-04-23 18:02 <paulieflomar_w> new Nvidia GPUs can do some neat stuff with voxelization of a scene, allowing simulated raytracing or other effects that need depth data: http://go.nvidianews.com/eM0GfN00040FOc0157u6k0E 
2015-04-23 18:03 <doug_maxwell> Yes, we have some new Tesla and GRID cards that we are excited to start coding for
2015-04-23 18:03 <paulieflomar_w> :)
2015-04-23 18:03 <doug_maxwell> Since Open Sim does so much physics on the server side, this is a natural fit
2015-04-23 19:47 <dahlia> paulieflomar_w: GPUs have been doing fairly accurate depth for quite a few years now. It's how they know when to draw a pixel of something in front of something else
2015-04-23 19:54 <dahlia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z-buffering
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2015-04-24 00:43 <nebadon> misterblue ping
2015-04-24 01:00 <osmantis> Bug #7538:04 Bulletsim: If a road prim or mesh surface is tilted in both the x and y direction, most physics vehicles fall through it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7538 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-04-24 01:02 <osmantis> Bug #7538:04 Bulletsim: If a road prim or mesh surface is tilted very much in both x and y direction, most physics vehicles fall through it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7538 ): has been UPDATED.
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2015-04-24 03:10 <misterblue> nebadon, pong
2015-04-24 03:11 <nebadon> hey
2015-04-24 03:11 <nebadon> was talking with Ken_S earlier about his track problem
2015-04-24 03:11 <nebadon> let me paste what he said
2015-04-24 03:11 <nebadon> 18<Ken_S> If the prim or mesh surface is tilted in both the x and y direction much at all, it falls through.
2015-04-24 03:11 <nebadon> 18<Ken_S> If it is only tilted in x or y, it is fine
2015-04-24 03:11 <nebadon> 18<Ken_S> Tilt in z direction is ok, as long as z and y are not both tilted.
2015-04-24 03:12 <nebadon> i had him file mantis #7538
2015-04-24 03:12 <nebadon> i beleive he has already sent you a copy of his track
2015-04-24 03:12 <nebadon> it appears the same thing happens with prims as with mesh
2015-04-24 03:12 <nebadon> im guessing some kind of math issue
2015-04-24 03:13 <misterblue> yes... that is an odd thing but he found a test condition so I can check
2015-04-24 03:13 <nebadon> yea
2015-04-24 03:13 <nebadon> sounds fixable :)
2015-04-24 03:13 <misterblue> could be anywhere in the pipeline
2015-04-24 03:13 <nebadon> apparantly its always done this though
2015-04-24 03:13 <nebadon> its not new behavior
2015-04-24 03:13 <misterblue> I was also looking at simplifying some prims... Mesher makes a lot of vertices for cylinders and such like
2015-04-24 03:14 <misterblue> I haven't looked at his road in detail... don't know if it is a one-sided mesh or has some depth
2015-04-24 03:14 <nebadon> its one sided
2015-04-24 03:15 <nebadon> but he said he observes the same behavior if he recreates the road with cube rims
2015-04-24 03:15 <nebadon> does literally the same exact thing
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2015-04-24 03:33 <dahlia> misterblue: if you change detail on prims, only do it for small scale, Megaprim collisions are horrible without full detail
2015-04-24 03:34 <misterblue> understood dahlia.... mostly for small things with curves... the mesher doesn't give much control over the detail it is creating
2015-04-24 03:34 <dahlia> yes it does
2015-04-24 03:35 <dahlia> the PrimMesh constructor has parameters for number of sides for outside and hollow
2015-04-24 03:35 <dahlia> and the extruder has a parameter for steps
2015-04-24 03:36 <dahlia> I think it's "stepsPerRevolution" which is normally 24 to match viewer
2015-04-24 03:50 <dahlia> misterblue: in BSShape.cs you a method: CreatePhysicalMesh() which passes a LOD value to the mesher, you can change that value and the mesher will alter the number of triangles accordingly
2015-04-24 03:51 <dahlia> *you have a method
2015-04-24 03:52 <misterblue> and it is a settable parameter and I think there is already some changes made to LOD for larger objects
2015-04-24 03:52 <misterblue> there used to be mistakes made if LOD was set too low though... happened with cuts and hollows
2015-04-24 03:53 <dahlia> ya probably still is
2015-04-24 03:54 <dahlia> I dont see anywhere in the mesher where it's rotating tho, that break is probably somewhere else
2015-04-24 03:54 <dahlia> I know the quaternion code in libomv is pretty bad
2015-04-24 03:54 <Plugh> Bad in what way?
2015-04-24 03:55 <dahlia> the / operator is wrong
2015-04-24 03:55 <dahlia> there's another place, cant remember offhand
2015-04-24 03:55 <dahlia> I dont use it at all
2015-04-24 03:57 <dahlia> might be the code that decompises a quaternion into axis and angle that is also broken, cant remember for sure
2015-04-24 03:57 <dahlia> *decomposes
2015-04-24 03:59 <smxy> I bet a rotting quaternion stinks to high heaven.
2015-04-24 04:01 <Plugh> If the quaternion conversions are wrong that is a pretty serious issue affecting a lot of scripts.
2015-04-24 04:16 <dahlia> scripts dont use libomv quaternions
2015-04-24 04:25 <Plugh> What quaternions do the scripts use? 
2015-04-24 04:33 <dahlia> LSL_Rotation I think
2015-04-24 04:35 <Plugh> If the quaternions in libomv are broken the code can be compared to the LSL ones to see how they can be fixed.
2015-04-24 04:36 <Plugh> I wouldn't have thought that there would have been two version of quaternion code.
2015-04-24 04:36 <dahlia> there are several
2015-04-24 04:39 <dahlia> as far as I know it's only the Quaternion code in libomv which has problems. I haven't (yet) found any problems with any of the other maths code in libomv
2015-04-24 12:11 <doug_maxwell> Good Morning.  On Weds I submitted to Overte my CLA for the MOSES project and yesterday, I re-submitted with copy to a number of the core devs.  Can someone tell me the status?
2015-04-24 12:12 <doug_maxwell> We have a number of patches queued up and ready for submission.
2015-04-24 15:15 <osmantis> Bug #7127:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://inventory.ossgrid.org:80/helo/: Remote server returned an error: (404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-24 15:26 <osmantis> Bug #7127:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://inventory.ossgrid.org:80/helo/: Remote server returned an error: (404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-24 15:27 <osmantis> Bug #7127:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://inventory.ossgrid.org:80/helo/: Remote server returned an error: (404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-24 15:33 <osmantis> Bug #7127:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://inventory.ossgrid.org:80/helo/: Remote server returned an error: (404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-24 15:39 <osmantis> Bug #7127:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://inventory.ossgrid.org:80/helo/: Remote server returned an error: (404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-24 15:44 <osmantis> Bug #7127:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://inventory.ossgrid.org:80/helo/: Remote server returned an error: (404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-24 17:22 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-04-24 17:23 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-04-24 18:04 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-24 18:06 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-24 19:37 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-24 19:41 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-24 19:41 <nebadon> Melanie_T : ping
2015-04-24 19:41 <Melanie_T> pong
2015-04-24 19:41 <nebadon> he this patch on 7540 is generating whitespace warnings
2015-04-24 19:42 <nebadon> can you maybe comment on the best way to fix that problem for them
2015-04-24 19:42 <nebadon> I know we have, more specifically you have had to deal with this in the past
2015-04-24 19:42 <nebadon> and I cant remember exactly what we did about it
2015-04-24 19:42 <Melanie_T> it's quite simple
2015-04-24 19:42 <nebadon> I assumed they just need to clean up thier code?
2015-04-24 19:42 <Melanie_T> they need to use a better editor in the future
2015-04-24 19:42 <nebadon> ah ok
2015-04-24 19:42 <nebadon> could you maybe comment on that mantis?
2015-04-24 19:42 <Melanie_T> for now, the atch needs to be run through sed
2015-04-24 19:42 <Melanie_T> like  so:
2015-04-24 19:43 <Melanie_T> sed -e "s/ *$//" patch > patch.out
2015-04-24 19:44 <Melanie_T> another question is if we really want this
2015-04-24 19:44 <Melanie_T> or should modify it to take the readings * correction factor gin
2015-04-24 19:44 <Melanie_T> again
2015-04-24 19:44 <Melanie_T> people _expect_ figures comparable to SL
2015-04-24 19:44 <nebadon> yea
2015-04-24 19:45 <nebadon> I didnt plan on pushing it to core
2015-04-24 19:45 <nebadon> i was testing it locally
2015-04-24 19:45 <nebadon> to see what kind of results it would bring
2015-04-24 19:45 <nebadon> we need a lot more discussion and testing before this touches core
2015-04-24 19:45 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-24 19:45 <nebadon> but id like to get that ball rolling
2015-04-24 19:45 <Melanie_T> well, it'll cause a shitstorm
2015-04-24 19:45 <nebadon> yea if stuff breaks it won't be good
2015-04-24 19:46 <nebadon> question is will stuff break
2015-04-24 20:01 <Plugh> bbl. I have to head out soon to pick up some food for some people who are going out tonight.
2015-04-24 20:02 <nebadon> Melanie_T I tried your suggestion on that patch
2015-04-24 20:02 <nebadon> and it didnt work
2015-04-24 20:03 <nebadon> now i get different errors
2015-04-24 20:04 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-24 20:06 <nebadon> i noted results on the mantis Melanie_T
2015-04-24 20:06 <nebadon> guess I will wait and see if anyone else has any luck
2015-04-24 20:07 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-24 20:35 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-24 20:58 <Melanie_T> well, really, you could use it as is
2015-04-24 20:58 <Melanie_T> but they would need to reformat it for eventual core inclusion anyway.
2015-04-24 20:59 <Melanie_T> meanhile, i suppose the only good way to get a clean patch is that they ret rid of the trailing whitespace in their working tree
2015-04-24 20:59 <Melanie_T> and then regenrate tha patch
2015-04-24 21:43 <nebadon> yea this patch seems like a bad idea to me
2015-04-24 21:43 <nebadon> it seems all it really does is just remove the multipliers?
2015-04-24 21:43 <nebadon> my sim shows 11fps now
2015-04-24 21:43 <nebadon> i think that is a bad idea honestly
2015-04-24 21:43 <nebadon> im in the -1 boat at the moment unless someone can convince me this is a good idea
2015-04-24 21:44 <nebadon> I dont see the advantage of this at all
2015-04-24 21:44 <nebadon> who the hell cares if its multiplied
2015-04-24 21:44 <nebadon> just do some damn math to figure it out
2015-04-24 21:45 <nebadon> but maybe I am missing something
2015-04-24 21:46 <nebadon> my suggestion to them is they make this a configurable variable
2015-04-24 21:46 <nebadon> that can be set in the ini file
2015-04-24 21:46 <nebadon> we can't force this on everyone
2015-04-24 22:05 <Plugh> Is there a mantis where the patch was attached?
2015-04-24 22:10 <nebadon> yes plugh
2015-04-24 22:10 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540
2015-04-24 22:11 <nebadon> i did a quick look at the patch i suspect most of the whitespace is in comments, not the actual code
2015-04-24 22:12 <Plugh> ty. I missed the mantis number in the emails
2015-04-24 22:13 <Plugh> I think I see the whitespace issues. There is a blank space at the end of each line. What editor would do something like that??
2015-04-24 22:14 <nebadon> maybe visual studio or something
2015-04-24 22:14 <nebadon> i suspect they do their devlopment on windows
2015-04-24 22:15 <Plugh> I don't like that "10" (default number of frames) being hard-coded in the code. It would be better having a constant defined near the top of the file.
2015-04-24 22:16 <Plugh> hehe. I just saw this in that patch file --> #region various statistic googly moogly
2015-04-24 22:16 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-24 22:23 <Plugh> I'll add a comment to the mantis a bit later. Its about time for dinner, and the cat might also be ready for his.
2015-04-24 22:33 <osmantis> Bug #6977:04 Limit see and chat with avatars of others parcels do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6977 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2015-04-24 22:34 <osmantis> Bug #6977:04 Limit see and chat with avatars of others parcels do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6977 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
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2015-04-24 23:46 <osmantis> Bug #7541:04 Sound Playback Issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7541 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-04-24 23:52 <osmantis> Bug #7541:04 Sound Playback Issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7541 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-25 00:04 <osmantis> Bug #7541:04 Sound Playback Issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7541 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-25 01:29 <osmantis> Bug #7542:04 in a VAR sim, a scripted attachment on an NPC won't work. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7542 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-04-25 04:47 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-04-25 05:26 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-04-25 05:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #4137 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-04-25 05:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4137: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4137/
2015-04-25 05:36 <osjenkins> bluewall: Fix the click to buy prim dialog not being displayed with alpha viewers after recent changes to viewer code by LL.
2015-04-25 09:51 <Ar3s> Hello everyone
2015-04-25 09:51 <Ar3s> Has anyone tried/experimented with the mono --aot feature with opensim, and if so what are your findings ?
2015-04-25 12:25 <dahlia> Ar3s: I tried it a few years ago and did not really see any benefit that made it worth the trouble.
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2015-04-25 14:48 <osmantis> Bug #7538:04 Bulletsim: If a road prim or mesh surface is tilted very much in both x and y direction, most physics vehicles fall through it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7538 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-04-25 14:51 <osmantis> Bug #7538:04 Bulletsim: If a cut prim or mesh surface is tilted very much in both x and y direction, most physics vehicles fall through it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7538 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-04-25 14:52 <osmantis> Bug #7538:04 Bulletsim: If a cut prim or mesh surface is tilted very much in both x and y direction, most physics vehicles fall through it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7538 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-04-25 15:34 <osmantis> Bug #7538:04 Bulletsim: If a cut prim or mesh surface is tilted very much in both x and y direction, most physics vehicles fall through it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7538 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-25 20:35 <gmc> hi all
2015-04-25 20:36 <gmc> there's this memory leak when prims cross region borders that has been bugging me for a while
2015-04-25 20:37 <gmc> so i've finally decided to try and debug it.. never done c# / .net before, but hey, we'll see where it ends
2015-04-25 21:07 <dahlia> gmc: that sounds challenging for someone new to c#, good luck! :)
2015-04-25 21:08 <dahlia> memory leaks are difficult to detect because the GC is unpredictable. I think the "force gc" command is helpful
2015-04-25 21:09 <dahlia> and "show stats" gives some memory usage info
2015-04-25 21:11 <gmc> dahlia: thanks for the tips!
2015-04-25 21:11 <gmc> i've run a profiler somehow, and am now parsing the output to csv so i can mine the date for trends
2015-04-25 21:11 <gmc> by eyeballing it, i see some permistions module thingy that keeps increasing in count
2015-04-25 21:11 <gmc> and a script thingy
2015-04-25 21:12 <dahlia> ya depending on how the script engine is configured I think you can get leaks
2015-04-25 21:12 <gmc> basically all i have running is two regions stand-alone, with a single prim that llKeyframedMotion's 20 meters back and forth, crossing the region border
2015-04-25 21:12 <gmc> ah, you mean it might be just a configuration error?
2015-04-25 21:13 <dahlia> scripts end up staying in memory and never deleted, I don't know the script engine very well but Melanie_T might be able to shed some useful insight
2015-04-25 21:14 <dahlia> I have some physical follow thingies that cross borders ok but I haven't noticed a leak. Maybe I havent crossed them enough to notice
2015-04-25 21:14 <gmc> i do see some object deletion routine is called in the crossing code
2015-04-25 21:14 <gmc> i should see what that destruction function does, maybe it forgets to clean up scripts or something
2015-04-25 21:15 <dahlia> there's something in the XEngine config called something like ApartmentState 
2015-04-25 21:15 <dahlia> Im not sure exactly how it works
2015-04-25 21:15 <gmc> i have an automated train running across 3 or 4 regions, i notice a steep incline in memory usage for the opensim process when i keep em running
2015-04-25 21:15 <gmc> steap as in withing 3 days the sim crashes because it ran out of the 4gb of memory available
2015-04-25 21:15 <gmc> s/steap/steep/
2015-04-25 21:16 <dahlia> ya I'll put my bet on script instances building up
2015-04-25 21:17 <dahlia> anyway if it is script related, Melanie_T is probably a good person to talk to about what's going on
2015-04-25 21:18 <gmc> i'll see if i catch her online , meanwhile i'll just dig.. worst case i learn a bit of c# :)
2015-04-25 21:19 <dahlia> lol :)
2015-04-25 21:19 <dahlia> c# memory management isn't all that simple
2015-04-25 21:20 <gmc> i dunno, it should be possible to mine the profiler log for circular references.. that's where your memory leaks'll be
2015-04-25 21:21 <dahlia> c# handles those pretty well
2015-04-25 21:22 <dahlia> much better than reference counted does
2015-04-25 21:42 <gmc> interestng, must read up on that
2015-04-25 22:52 <AliciaRaven> gmc, setting AppDomainLoading to false will prevent derezzed script DLLs from being removed from memory because only whole AppDomains can be unloaded
2015-04-25 22:53 <AliciaRaven> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Performance#Set_AppDomainLoading_.3D_false
2015-04-25 23:38 <gmc> AliciaRaven: ah, that sounds promising.. let me try that
2015-04-25 23:41 <gmc> not sure if that helped, still seems to be leaking on my simple testcase regions
2015-04-25 23:43 <dahlia> gmc: if you're using mono there may still be problems with it
2015-04-25 23:44 <gmc> yep, using mono
2015-04-25 23:46 <dahlia> I've found that mono 3.x prior to 3.99 leaks memory a lot with OpenSimulator. 3.99.x seems much better
2015-04-25 23:46 <dahlia> others haven't noticed it as much
2015-04-25 23:48 <gmc> the setting does make a difference though, with it set to true it leaks 50% compared to false
2015-04-25 23:59 <dahlia> I'm not sure why the setting is not advised for mono, perhaps there is some reliability/crashing issue
2015-04-26 00:27 <BlueWall> if they are @3.99, I guess a version 4 will be up pretty soon.
2015-04-26 00:28 <BlueWall> I have just been using packages from Xamarin and they run pretty good. Will look forward to using 4x.
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2015-04-26 01:10 <osmantis> Bug #7543:04 Error Generating Login Response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7543 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-04-26 01:17 <AlphaManx> anyone know how to fix the Error Generating Login Response issue. with Mysql timeout.
2015-04-26 12:21 <osmantis> Bug #7542:04 in a VAR sim, a scripted attachment on an NPC won't work. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7542 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-26 13:16 <osmantis> Bug #7538:04 Bulletsim: If a cut prim or mesh surface is tilted very much in both x and y direction, most physics vehicles fall through it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7538 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-26 17:43 <osmantis> Bug #7544:04 [BULLETSIM LINKSET COMPOUND] Linkset rebuild warning 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7544 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2015-04-26 17:45 <osmantis> Bug #7544:04 [BULLETSIM LINKSET COMPOUND] Linkset rebuild warning 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7544 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2015-04-26 17:58 <LiruCookies> Your bot went french...
2015-04-26 18:00 <nebadon> the bot uses the persons locale 
2015-04-26 18:00 <nebadon> well i should say mantis uses the persons locale / language
2015-04-26 18:00 <nebadon> the bot is just relaying it :)
2015-04-26 18:01 <LiruCookies> Weird, messages shouldn't be localized until they reach the destination of output
2015-04-26 18:01 <nebadon> yea I am not sure why mantis does that
2015-04-26 18:01 <nebadon> occaisonally you will see german and italian too
2015-04-26 18:52 <AliciaRaven> when the bot goes french it usualy means its a post from djphil
2015-04-26 18:53 <djphil> yeah, he still talking nonsense :p
2015-04-26 18:54 <djphil> and love Bullet
2015-04-26 18:54 <AliciaRaven> mm i got a Linkset rebuild warning yesterday from a jellyfish in an old oar file
2015-04-26 18:55 <djphil> I look at some new parameters Bullet bounding box ... I hope to find a way to change the point of origin of a simple mesh
2015-04-26 18:58 <osmantis> Bug #7543:04 Error Generating Login Response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7543 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-26 21:18 <osmantis> Bug #7543:04 Error Generating Login Response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7543 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-04-27 12:05 <Guest62693> hi all, is there a particular trick to compile a working opensim on linux? on my ubuntu 14.04 with default mono installed i get a binary that crashes after ~10 minutes
2015-04-27 12:13 <BlueWall> gmc, have a look at http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519
2015-04-27 12:15 <gmc> thanks, will do that.. although the crashes i'm seeing don't produce a nice mono stacktrace
2015-04-27 12:15 <gmc> and also, meh 'AppDomainLoading must be set to false. While this will contribute to some degree of memory bloat I generally don't see that problem to any significant degree.'
2015-04-27 12:15 <gmc> that's exactly my problem :)
2015-04-27 12:16 <BlueWall> does your kernal fit the description?
2015-04-27 12:17 <gmc> still reading up on it, was just getting to the kernel part
2015-04-27 12:17 <gmc> but i've indeed got a 3.16 kernel
2015-04-27 12:18 <gmc> (on my development machine that is, the production server is running 3.13)
2015-04-27 12:18 <BlueWall> that is your problem.
2015-04-27 12:19 <gmc> seems so.. 
2015-04-27 12:19 <BlueWall> Maybe you can find the link to the mono bug report there and add your experience to that?
2015-04-27 12:19 <gmc> yes, i was just thinking about that
2015-04-27 12:20 <gmc> i'll try booting an older kernel first, see if that helps
2015-04-27 12:20 <gmc> (my original goal was to hunt down a memory leak when objects cross regions)
2015-04-27 12:20 <BlueWall> As people upgrade, they are hitting this issues and it would be good to let the mono dev team see.
2015-04-27 12:20 <gmc> yeah indeed!
2015-04-27 12:24 <gmc> there's too many linux kernels these days anyway... they're starting a new branch almost every week it seems :)
2015-04-27 12:43 <gmc> of course, now that i want to make a bug report, it fails to crash on 3.16... 
2015-04-27 12:44 <gmc> i had similar issues on freebsd half a year ago, filed a bug report with freebsd, still sitting in the queue for someone to even look at it
2015-04-27 12:45 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2015-04-27 14:12 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-27 14:56 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-27 15:31 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-27 15:32 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-04-27 15:42 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-27 16:01 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-27 16:09 <diva> mheilman ping: are you from MOSES?
2015-04-27 16:21 <mheilman> yes Diva
2015-04-27 16:27 <diva> hi 
2015-04-27 16:27 <diva> I looked at th epatch, and I wrote down some comments
2015-04-27 16:28 <diva> I am doing some tests with StopWatch, and there is measureable overhead
2015-04-27 16:28 <diva> I'm not sure how it compares with the computation that's in the update loop
2015-04-27 16:28 <diva> I'm going to add my test code there
2015-04-27 16:30 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-27 16:30 <diva> there I added my test code, you can play with it
2015-04-27 16:31 <diva> The update loop in opensim is a lot longer than the test I have there
2015-04-27 16:31 <diva> so maybe the overhead is negligeable in opensim, but I'd like to know for sure
2015-04-27 16:34 <mheilman> Talking with Sean, Environment.TickCount is too low-fidelity.  It's value is updated around every half-second on Windows, which does not allow for the level of measurement needed
2015-04-27 16:35 <Plugh> On your standard PC the internal system ticks used to be running at 18.2 Hz.
2015-04-27 16:36 <Plugh> If you needed something more accurate you had to use special drivers/routines to get that accuracy.
2015-04-27 16:40 <mheilman> Stopwatch uses the performance timers where available, this should allow for more accurate sampling.
2015-04-27 16:41 <diva> I'm reading that the precision of Environemtns.TickCount is 15.5ms, not 500ms
2015-04-27 16:41 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-27 16:43 <mheilman> I am not part of the development team on that effort, so I cannot get too specific on the reasoning behind it
2015-04-27 16:43 <mheilman> I understand it was for more accurate measurement.
2015-04-27 16:45 <mheilman> As an aside, 60 fps has a frame time of 16.7 ms; 15.5 ms is not very good in a fast system
2015-04-27 16:45 <diva> mheilman, yes, I understand. Please tell them to look over my comments. I'm undecided still, but a bit worried. Anything they can show me to ease my worries will help.
2015-04-27 16:46 <diva> mheilman: opensim runs at 11 fps
2015-04-27 16:46 <mheilman> I will direct them to the mantis issue page
2015-04-27 16:46 <mheilman> Yes, it does.  But MOSES is very interested in increasing performance where possible.
2015-04-27 16:47 <diva> faster update loop != higher performance
2015-04-27 16:47 <mheilman> 15.5 ms give or take on precision measurements is problematic
2015-04-27 16:47 <mheilman> OF course not, but higher performance can mean a faster update loop
2015-04-27 16:48 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-27 16:48 <diva> not really... the slower you can run these loops and still get the experience you want, the better! :)
2015-04-27 16:48 <Plugh> Afternoon, nebadon
2015-04-27 16:48 <nebadon> hello
2015-04-27 16:49 <diva> anyway, mheilman, please tell them to look it over and show me numbers that throw away my worries
2015-04-27 16:50 <mheilman> I'll ask the to look it over
2015-04-27 16:51 <mheilman> and because I'm pedantic, slower loops in a physics engine can destroy an experience.  But thanks for talking it out with me :)
2015-04-27 16:53 <diva> the faster loops you have, the more you need to worry about overhead from diagnostics code :)
2015-04-27 16:53 <diva> so there's a fine line :)
2015-04-27 16:53 <diva> I think I can be convinced, because the computation in OpenSim's update loop is much longer than in my test loop, so maybe the overhead is negligable. But I'l like to  see that somehow.
2015-04-27 16:54 <mheilman> I agree that we want to minimize overhead.  I have sent an email over.  As they are UCF collaborators it will take them a little longer to respond than myself.
2015-04-27 16:56 <diva> no worries. I will apply this or some variation of this patch. It's important to fix the reported statistics.
2015-04-27 16:59 <diva> also, mheilman, tell then to send an example of the new ini section, with comments
2015-04-27 16:59 <diva> that's my comment in mantis
2015-04-27 16:59 <diva> that's my *other* comment in mantis
2015-04-27 17:00 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-27 17:01 <mheilman> diva, I just responded to that one.
2015-04-27 17:01 <mheilman> It is a simpler question to answer
2015-04-27 17:01 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-27 17:01 <mheilman> dang, and I realized I forgot the explanation
2015-04-27 17:01 <diva> :)
2015-04-27 17:02 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-27 17:02 <mheilman> ok, its up
2015-04-27 17:02 <mheilman> diva, you're quick
2015-04-27 17:03 <diva> thanks! (I run on a very fast loop sometimes :)
2015-04-27 17:03 <diva> afk for now. will be back later
2015-04-27 17:11 <Plugh> so will I. About time for lunch. 
2015-04-27 18:09 <nebadon> I have been doing some testing with the new statistics patch
2015-04-27 18:10 <nebadon> I just rezzed about 1500 spheres in my Physics Arena
2015-04-27 18:10 <nebadon> CPU was spiking up to around 300% at times
2015-04-27 18:10 <nebadon> but for some reason the physics fps seemed to go up
2015-04-27 18:11 <nebadon> its showing 11.3fps
2015-04-27 18:11 <nebadon> im not sure that stat does anything
2015-04-27 18:11 <nebadon> you would think with the cpu so high that physics fps would have flucated down some what
2015-04-27 18:11 <nebadon> fluctuated*
2015-04-27 18:13 <Plugh> Test it with your Klein bottle generator
2015-04-27 18:13 <nebadon> its non physical though
2015-04-27 18:13 <nebadon> and generally that uses almost no CPU
2015-04-27 18:13 <nebadon> it does however clobber xengine quite good
2015-04-27 18:13 <Plugh> It would be if you select all its parts and mark them physical then let them drop to the ground. :)
2015-04-27 18:14 <nebadon> cause it generates a crazy amount of timer threads
2015-04-27 18:14 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-27 18:14 <nebadon> ive almost never seen th klein bottle get more than about 25% done in linux
2015-04-27 18:14 <nebadon> before xengine barfs
2015-04-27 18:14 <Plugh> Oh, what about that ball dropping gadget you have? you were dropping balls into a box that had a sort of pyramid thing in the middle
2015-04-27 18:14 <nebadon> thats what I am using now
2015-04-27 18:14 <Plugh> ah,ok
2015-04-27 18:14 <nebadon> it go to about 1500 and i stopped it
2015-04-27 18:15 <nebadon> you could see the balls were starting to no longer sync visually with the physics
2015-04-27 18:15 <Plugh> oh, right. Forgot what you had called that gaget
2015-04-27 18:15 <nebadon> floating off then snapping back
2015-04-27 18:15 <nebadon> but the sim stats didnt budge at all
2015-04-27 18:15 <nebadon> everything was still showing 11fps
2015-04-27 18:15 <nebadon> literally not even a flutter
2015-04-27 18:15 <nebadon> even though cpu was near 300% of 8 cores
2015-04-27 18:15 <nebadon> that doesnt seem right to me
2015-04-27 18:16 <nebadon> before I would see pretty drastic changes in the FPS
2015-04-27 18:16 <Plugh> yeah, doesn't sound right
2015-04-27 18:16 <nebadon> now with this new patch i dont see anything
2015-04-27 18:16 <nebadon> its like its locked at 11fps
2015-04-27 18:16 <nebadon> I guess I will make a note of it on the mantis
2015-04-27 18:16 <nebadon> i should probably make a video
2015-04-27 18:16 <nebadon> so i dont have to ramble on for 15 minutes explaining it
2015-04-27 18:17 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-04-27 18:17 <nebadon> finally getting to put my 8 core amd server through some stress though
2015-04-27 18:17 <nebadon> so that is good
2015-04-27 18:18 <nebadon> seems like mono doesnt have any kind of threading issues with the 8 physical core cpu
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2015-04-27 18:22 <Plugh> I should order the parts soon to get my desktop computer up and running again.
2015-04-27 18:52 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-27 19:04 <diva> neb which physics are you testing this with?
2015-04-27 19:04 <diva> nebadon ^^
2015-04-27 19:05 <nebadon> BulletSim
2015-04-27 19:05 <diva> same thread or separate thread?
2015-04-27 19:05 <nebadon> oh yea
2015-04-27 19:05 <nebadon> maybe that is it
2015-04-27 19:05 <nebadon> its in seperate thread I forgot about that
2015-04-27 19:05 <diva> yep
2015-04-27 19:05 <nebadon> I was going to say, this doesnt seem like its working at all
2015-04-27 19:05 <diva> although it's a shame that the statistic doesn't5 capture that too
2015-04-27 19:05 <nebadon> last time I did these tests we didnt have the ability to do it in seperate thread
2015-04-27 19:06 <nebadon> completely forgot about that
2015-04-27 19:06 <diva> test it on the same thread
2015-04-27 19:07 <diva> just to make sure it works as expected there
2015-04-27 19:07 <nebadon> ok
2015-04-27 19:07 <nebadon> I did make a video
2015-04-27 19:07 <nebadon> and there was hardly any lag
2015-04-27 19:07 <nebadon> let me post it up you can see
2015-04-27 19:08 <nebadon> i had about 1900 physical balls going
2015-04-27 19:08 <diva> with physics on a separate thread you should not feel lag
2015-04-27 19:08 <nebadon> yea
2015-04-27 19:08 <nebadon> cpu was pretty high still
2015-04-27 19:08 <nebadon> physics can only use a single thread 
2015-04-27 19:08 <nebadon> cpu was up over 300%
2015-04-27 19:09 <diva> yes, it will be busy, there there shouldn't be user-facing lag
2015-04-27 19:09 <nebadon> yea it wasnt too bad
2015-04-27 19:11 <nebadon> ok rebooted with separate thread turned off
2015-04-27 19:11 <nebadon> lets try this again
2015-04-27 19:24 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-27 19:28 <nebadon> ok well it does move, but man i beat it hard
2015-04-27 19:28 <nebadon> and the stats barely flucated until the very end
2015-04-27 19:28 <nebadon> i was beating on it sooo hard
2015-04-27 19:28 <nebadon> it seems that when its not in seperate thread cpu maxes out around 120% 
2015-04-27 19:28 <nebadon> no matter how hard i hit it
2015-04-27 19:28 <nebadon> with seperate thread it can go 400%+ cpu
2015-04-27 19:29 <nebadon> kind of odd
2015-04-27 19:29 <diva> what kinds of numbers did you see reported?
2015-04-27 19:29 <nebadon> the lowest it went is like 5-6fps
2015-04-27 19:29 <nebadon> at the very end
2015-04-27 19:29 <nebadon> that was over 2000 spheres
2015-04-27 19:29 <nebadon> and me driving a car around
2015-04-27 19:30 <nebadon> i am converting video now
2015-04-27 19:30 <diva> hehe :) good job, BulletSim! :)
2015-04-27 19:30 <nebadon> yea im a bit confused why Moses sims are crashing
2015-04-27 19:30 <nebadon> with small wall explosions
2015-04-27 19:30 <nebadon> something is very wrong there
2015-04-27 19:30 <diva> I think they were using their PhyX engine, no?
2015-04-27 19:31 <nebadon> what worries me is they are basing this evaluation on stuff that doesnt happen with pure core code
2015-04-27 19:31 <nebadon> no they said they were crashing with bullet I thought
2015-04-27 19:31 <nebadon> the reason they are researching physx
2015-04-27 19:31 <nebadon> because bullet crashes the sim
2015-04-27 19:31 <nebadon> one thing we need to remember
2015-04-27 19:31 <nebadon> they dont run stock code
2015-04-27 19:31 <nebadon> they us simiangrid back end
2015-04-27 19:31 <nebadon> which i suspect has a terrible influence on the simulator code
2015-04-27 19:31 <diva> did you try their script?
2015-04-27 19:31 <nebadon> i experience things on their grid that I can not recreate
2015-04-27 19:31 <nebadon> no i havent yet
2015-04-27 19:31 <nebadon> but it looks very basic
2015-04-27 19:31 <diva> try it!
2015-04-27 19:32 <nebadon> yea i need to setup all the parts
2015-04-27 19:32 <diva> see if you crash
2015-04-27 19:32 <nebadon> but i can tell you what i did
2015-04-27 19:32 <diva> but I thought they were using their physX engine for that video
2015-04-27 19:32 <nebadon> was far more than what they are doing
2015-04-27 19:32 <nebadon> yes but what I thought the whole reason for researching physx
2015-04-27 19:32 <nebadon> because bullet is supposedly crashing their simulator
2015-04-27 19:32 <nebadon> not holding up to what they need
2015-04-27 19:32 <diva> mheilman that video with the brick wall crashing -- was that BulletSim or PhysX?
2015-04-27 19:33 <diva> no nebadon
2015-04-27 19:33 <diva> they want physX because there's a parallel versiono f it coming soon
2015-04-27 19:33 <nebadon> ya maybe I am misunderstanding
2015-04-27 19:33 <nebadon> i dont recall a crash in that video
2015-04-27 19:33 <nebadon> the same could be said about bullet though
2015-04-27 19:33 <nebadon> its just a matter of us upgrading to newer bullet
2015-04-27 19:33 <diva> ?
2015-04-27 19:34 <nebadon> and you can have multi-thread / gpu
2015-04-27 19:34 <diva> can'
2015-04-27 19:34 <nebadon> im sure there is a bit more work involved than just switching versions
2015-04-27 19:34 <nebadon> but bullet can do it
2015-04-27 19:34 <nebadon> just not our version
2015-04-27 19:34 <diva> can't really blame people for wanting to use their favorite physics engine
2015-04-27 19:34 <nebadon> needs bullet 3
2015-04-27 19:34 <nebadon> yea I swore I recall doug saying bulletsim was crashing in their tests
2015-04-27 19:35 <nebadon> cause i dont recall any crash at all in the video they show
2015-04-27 19:35 <diva> the wall was crashing, not the sim
2015-04-27 19:35 <nebadon> unless i missed something, very possible
2015-04-27 19:36 <nebadon> yea would be good to get more clarity i suppose
2015-04-27 19:36 <diva> if you have time to test it, it would great to have a repro 
2015-04-27 19:36 <nebadon> yea I need to set it up, its a bunch of scripts
2015-04-27 19:36 <nebadon> huds and stuff
2015-04-27 19:37 <diva> you can probably simplify it, just get straight to the core of the explosion
2015-04-27 19:37 <nebadon> well better to replicate it exactly
2015-04-27 19:37 <nebadon> otherwise not a good test
2015-04-27 19:37 <nebadon> benchmarks should be consistent
2015-04-27 19:37 <diva> ok
2015-04-27 19:37 <nebadon> be better if they gave an IAR or OAR to test with
2015-04-27 19:38 <nebadon> if i do set it up I can add it to my physics arena oar
2015-04-27 19:38 <diva> mheilman: do you have an oar or an iar for all those scripts/objects of the exploding wall?
2015-04-27 19:39 <BlueWall> ++ it would be good to attach iar of examples to drive these.
2015-04-27 19:40 <nebadon> thats why i created the physics arena for misterblue
2015-04-27 19:40 <nebadon> so we could have a consistent test platform
2015-04-27 19:41 <BlueWall> ++
2015-04-27 19:41 <mheilman> That exploding wall test was using bullet
2015-04-27 19:42 <mheilman> We have not started the physx work yet, just the metrics first
2015-04-27 19:42 <diva> at which point did it crash the sim?
2015-04-27 19:43 <mheilman> The crash wasn't a hard crash, the regoin consumes all CPU resources on the host and is unresponsive without logs until the region is killed
2015-04-27 19:43 <diva> with how many bricks?
2015-04-27 19:43 <mheilman> The wall rezzez multiple bricks, which convert to physical on grenade explosion.
2015-04-27 19:43 <nebadon> ya its odd I would be surprised if i can make that happen
2015-04-27 19:44 <mheilman> It was 240 bricks, and usually after the third repeat that the region would peg its-self
2015-04-27 19:44 <nebadon> considering the test I just did
2015-04-27 19:44 <nebadon> I bet thats xengine
2015-04-27 19:44 <nebadon> and not physics
2015-04-27 19:44 <nebadon> would bet money
2015-04-27 19:44 <diva> yeah, that sounds like xengine borkness
2015-04-27 19:44 <nebadon> xengine kind of sucks
2015-04-27 19:44 <nebadon> we should be attacking that before physics
2015-04-27 19:44 <nebadon> if you want my honest opinion
2015-04-27 19:44 <diva> mheilman could you make an iar or oar available with those objects/scripts?
2015-04-27 19:45 <nebadon> I can break xengine all day long
2015-04-27 19:46 <nebadon> i have yet to make physics break or stop responding
2015-04-27 19:46 <nebadon> i had 120k physical spheres at one point
2015-04-27 19:46 <nebadon> i could still log and and move
2015-04-27 19:46 <nebadon> even erased all 120k spheres with the viewer
2015-04-27 19:46 <nebadon> and it recovered perfectly
2015-04-27 19:46 <mheilman> @nebadon.  The physics and frame fps are still in lock-step, and dont drop until you start exhausting resources
2015-04-27 19:47 <diva> xengine is really bad. It's to be avoided at all costs
2015-04-27 19:47 <nebadon> only if you run them that way mheilman
2015-04-27 19:47 <nebadon> bulletsim can be its own thread
2015-04-27 19:47 <nebadon> there is absolutely no reason to run them together
2015-04-27 19:47 <mheilman> I agree it is likely XEngine, the exploding wall was not supposed to be a taxing excersize
2015-04-27 19:47 <nebadon> other than seeing the stats
2015-04-27 19:47 <mheilman> @nebadonl. the frames are still synched, een on separate threads
2015-04-27 19:48 <mheilman> @diva, I can look into that.  Otherwise all the scripts used are on our github
2015-04-27 19:48 <nebadon> can we escape that with server side physics?
2015-04-27 19:48 <mheilman> https://github.com/M-O-S-E-S/opensim-scripting-library
2015-04-27 19:48 <diva> thanks mheilman. Having an oar would make it much easier for ppl to grab it an test it
2015-04-27 19:48 <nebadon> that almost seems necesary if your going to provide a consistent experience using server side physics
2015-04-27 19:49 <mheilman> Are you asking if it is possible at all, or possible in opensim as it is now?  Opensim has tight coupling between the physics and scripting engine
2015-04-27 19:49 <diva> not with the scripting engine, that I know of.
2015-04-27 19:50 <nebadon> yea that would be odd
2015-04-27 19:50 <diva> it should be possible to run physics at a higher frame rate on its own thread
2015-04-27 19:50 <nebadon> the main scene loop sure
2015-04-27 19:50 <nebadon> but how can we avoid that
2015-04-27 19:50 <diva> of course we can avoid it
2015-04-27 19:50 <diva> update loop and physics loop are two conceptually different things
2015-04-27 19:50 <nebadon> ya but are they transmitted seperately to the viewer?
2015-04-27 19:50 <nebadon> at some point it needs to come together
2015-04-27 19:51 <diva> the update loop is the one that updates the clients
2015-04-27 19:51 <diva> the physics loop is the one that does physics siulation
2015-04-27 19:51 <diva> two different things
2015-04-27 19:51 <nebadon> yea
2015-04-27 19:51 <nebadon> i guess I am confused on what michael means
2015-04-27 19:52 <diva> he means that right now bullet sim on its own thread also runs at 11 fps
2015-04-27 19:52 <nebadon> oh
2015-04-27 19:52 <nebadon> right
2015-04-27 19:52 <nebadon> but if you make physics run at 60fps
2015-04-27 19:52 <diva> that can be changed, in principle
2015-04-27 19:52 <nebadon> and the update loop is only 11fps stil
2015-04-27 19:52 <diva> correct
2015-04-27 19:52 <nebadon> not much point in that is there?
2015-04-27 19:52 <diva> physics frame rates are for fidelity of simulation
2015-04-27 19:53 <nebadon> i would think the epxerience would be way worse than it is now
2015-04-27 19:53 <diva> for collisions etc
2015-04-27 19:53 <nebadon> hmm
2015-04-27 19:53 <nebadon> yea
2015-04-27 19:53 <diva> the higher the frame rate, the more realistic physics simulation can be
2015-04-27 19:53 <diva> independent of any observer
2015-04-27 19:53 <diva> the update loop is for observers
2015-04-27 19:53 <nebadon> ok that makes sense
2015-04-27 19:53 <nebadon> visually it wouldnt change much though
2015-04-27 19:53 <nebadon> right
2015-04-27 19:53 <diva> it depends on the kinds of physics simulation you want to do
2015-04-27 19:54 <diva> things that move very fast and may collide very fast need higher frame rates
2015-04-27 19:54 <diva> or else the physics error will be high
2015-04-27 19:54 <diva> again, independent of any observer
2015-04-27 19:54 <nebadon> yea
2015-04-27 19:55 <BlueWall> even having mesh terrains , etc.
2015-04-27 19:55 <nebadon> hopefully mono can keep up
2015-04-27 19:55 <nebadon> heh
2015-04-27 19:55 <nebadon> C# probably isnt the best choice
2015-04-27 19:55 <nebadon> for these kind of simulations
2015-04-27 19:55 <nebadon> hopefully mono improves with the microsoft code
2015-04-27 19:55 <nebadon> i suspect thats far off though
2015-04-27 19:57 <nebadon> I also wonder how it complicates things for physics engines that perform wildly differently
2015-04-27 19:58 <nebadon> like single thread ODE vs 60fps physx
2015-04-27 19:58 <nebadon> I guess there will be a lot of middle wear to balance that out/
2015-04-27 19:58 <nebadon> ?
2015-04-27 19:58 <nebadon> middleware*
2015-04-27 20:00 <diva> I don't see any issues
2015-04-27 20:01 <nebadon> yea I am just wondering
2015-04-27 20:02 <diva> it's really two completely different things we're talking about here: fidelity of physics simulation and rate of observation. You can have arbitrarily high or low fidelity physics simulators with the same rate of updates to clients
2015-04-27 20:02 <diva> the clients should be doing their own interpolation
2015-04-27 20:05 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/statspocalypse/bullet_sim_new_stats_001.m4v
2015-04-27 20:06 <dahlia> my understanding is that when things move quickly, collisions are done against the volume of the object thru the path travelled, not just the object volume
2015-04-27 20:06 <nebadon> oh wait on that link 1 sec
2015-04-27 20:07 <nebadon> us this link > http://nebadon2025.com/statspocalypse/bullet_sim_new_stats_001.mp4
2015-04-27 20:07 <dahlia> that way fast moving objects will still collide even if they could have passed thru between frames
2015-04-27 20:07 <nebadon> shame michael left
2015-04-27 20:08 <diva> dahlia, yes, but if you want a high precision for where exactly the collision occurred, you need a high framerate. Otherwise it will be a large margin if possible collision points, especially if this is between 2 fast moving objects
2015-04-27 20:09 <dahlia> I'm sure higher physics frame rates will improve fidelity, but I dont have any empirical understanding of "how fast is good enough"
2015-04-27 20:09 <diva> it depends entirely on what you want to do...
2015-04-27 20:09 <dahlia> diva: no, it can extrapolate the collision position along the path travelled between frames
2015-04-27 20:09 <dahlia> errr interpolate :)
2015-04-27 20:09 <diva> if you have a simulation with lots of fast moving objects and you want collisions to be precise, you need a high frame rate for the tolerated margin of error
2015-04-27 20:10 <diva> that's if it's traveling with a known movement formula...
2015-04-27 20:10 <dahlia> not necessarily
2015-04-27 20:10 <dahlia> there is a lot of code in physics engines to mitigate those issues
2015-04-27 20:11 <diva> yeah, I'm sure! That's... physics, after all :)
2015-04-27 20:11 <dahlia> lol
2015-04-27 20:11 <nebadon> yea to get real world type of physics
2015-04-27 20:11 <nebadon> you need super computers
2015-04-27 20:11 <nebadon> with 50,000 cpus
2015-04-27 20:11 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-27 20:11 <nebadon> literally
2015-04-27 20:11 <nebadon> hard to do it in realtime
2015-04-27 20:11 <nebadon> without faking it a lot
2015-04-27 20:11 <diva> as far as I'm concerned, the lower we can have these framerates, the better
2015-04-27 20:12 <nebadon> no doubt it can be improved
2015-04-27 20:12 <nebadon> but its never going to be perfect on a single server
2015-04-27 20:12 <nebadon> streaming to 100 avatars
2015-04-27 20:12 <dahlia> unfortunatly a rational approach to "how fast is good enough" could take a lot of time and research $$$$$$$$$$$$
2015-04-27 20:14 <diva> I love physics simulations. I wish I had more time to learn more about these engines. Fascinating topic.
2015-04-27 20:14 <dahlia> or fortunatey, depending on one's involvement ;)
2015-04-27 20:15 <nebadon> im uploading that video to youtube too
2015-04-27 20:15 <diva> one can make a theory of how the universe work just by trying to do physics simulations
2015-04-27 20:15 <nebadon> then i'll add it to the mantis
2015-04-27 20:15 <nebadon> i miss micasim module
2015-04-27 20:16 <nebadon> it was amazing
2015-04-27 20:16 <nebadon> hope we can revive it one day
2015-04-27 20:16 <diva> what's that?
2015-04-27 20:16 <dahlia> lol would never hurt to have another theory :D
2015-04-27 20:16 <dahlia> oh it was cool
2015-04-27 20:16 <dahlia> was a n-body physics engine for opensim
2015-04-27 20:16 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM4fmL6dLdY
2015-04-27 20:16 <diva> the universe may very well be a massively parallel computer
2015-04-27 20:16 <dahlia> you could have prim "stars" that would orbit and collide and stuff
2015-04-27 20:16 <dahlia> and you could ride them :D
2015-04-27 20:16 <nebadon> ya one of the cooler things opensim did
2015-04-27 20:17 <nebadon> but it stopped working on some refactor we did
2015-04-27 20:17 <nebadon> and no one maintained it anymore
2015-04-27 20:17 <dahlia> ya srs bitrot Im sure
2015-04-27 20:17 <dahlia> was adjohn and chi11ken I think 
2015-04-27 20:17 <dahlia> along with whatzisname in SL
2015-04-27 20:17 <dahlia> Curious George
2015-04-27 20:18 <nebadon> ya they had a mica club in SL
2015-04-27 20:19 <dahlia> who was that other astrophysicist who worked at LL? he used to hang out here
2015-04-27 20:19 <dahlia> cant remember his name... arrgh
2015-04-27 20:19 <nebadon> Rob Knop?
2015-04-27 20:19 <dahlia> he did a LSL n-body simulation
2015-04-27 20:19 <dahlia> ya
2015-04-27 20:19 <dahlia> ty
2015-04-27 20:19 <dahlia> rknop
2015-04-27 20:22 <nebadon> here is the code diva > http://forge.opensimulator.org/gf/project/micasim/
2015-04-27 20:23 <nebadon> was a cool demonstration of opensim
2015-04-27 20:23 <nebadon> probably the coolest thing i can think of
2015-04-27 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-27 20:57 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-27 20:57 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/embed/IBaGL2XooiQ?rel=0&amp;autoplay=1;fs=0;autohide=0;hd=1;vq=hd1080;
2015-04-27 21:00 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-27 21:05 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-27 21:05 <Velus-universe> hey all who is about?
2015-04-27 21:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #4138 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-04-27 21:11 <nebadon> whats up Velus
2015-04-27 21:11 <Plugh> 
ACTION waves to Velus

2015-04-27 21:13 <nebadon> BlueWall did you apply that patch with git am --signoff?
2015-04-27 21:13 <nebadon> thats usually how I do it for other peoples patches
2015-04-27 21:13 <nebadon> so it shows who owns it
2015-04-27 21:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4138: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4138/
2015-04-27 21:13 <osjenkins> bluewall: Revert "Fix the click to buy prim dialog not being displayed with alpha viewers after recent changes to viewer code by LL."
2015-04-27 21:13 <nebadon> oh its a revert
2015-04-27 21:13 <nebadon> nevermind duh
2015-04-27 21:13 <BlueWall> Signed-off-by: BlueWall <jamesh@bluewallgroup.com>
2015-04-27 21:13 <nebadon> just noticed that
2015-04-27 21:13 <nebadon> heh
2015-04-27 21:13 <nebadon> ya i didnt realize that last one was a revert 
2015-04-27 21:15 <nebadon> anyone know if there is a wiki page how to push an IAR into the default inventory on standalone?
2015-04-27 21:16 <nebadon> or atleast know how to?
2015-04-27 21:17 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-27 21:20 <Plugh> hm... changing default inventory for OS? I read about that ages ago.
2015-04-27 21:20 <Velus-universe> but im a little anoyed with my net again lol 
2015-04-27 21:21 <diva> why would th emono certificates for sending email suddently stop working?
2015-04-27 21:21 <Plugh> nebadon: Does this help? -> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Custom_Libraries
2015-04-27 21:22 <Plugh> Iwould expecct you would have to manually extract the files from an IAR to use the contents as part of default inventory.
2015-04-27 21:22 <nebadon> I dont see anything about iar there
2015-04-27 21:23 <nebadon> i forget now
2015-04-27 21:23 <BlueWall> diva distro does it on standalones, I think.
2015-04-27 21:23 <nebadon> i just recall being able to use an IAR to populate the default inventory on a standalone, someone on #osgrid asking
2015-04-27 21:23 <nebadon> is it only diva?
2015-04-27 21:23 <nebadon> i thought core could too
2015-04-27 21:23 <nebadon> i know diva lets you set default avatars
2015-04-27 21:23 <nebadon> that core cant do
2015-04-27 21:23 <Plugh> No, I don't think you will. I had a custom web page for people to create accounts and it would populate the new avatar with the inventory from another cloneable avatar that had some inventory.
2015-04-27 21:23 <nebadon> but i thought core could do the default inventory as well, maybe not 
2015-04-27 21:24 <nebadon> no im talking about the secondary inventory at the bottom
2015-04-27 21:24 <nebadon> not the main inventory the shared one
2015-04-27 21:24 <Plugh> yes, I realize what you meant by default inventory.
2015-04-27 21:26 <Plugh> The wiki page is the mainresource I know of about changing the library contents.
2015-04-27 21:26 <nebadon> yea
2015-04-27 21:26 <nebadon> thats the hard way for grid mode
2015-04-27 21:26 <nebadon> what is there
2015-04-27 21:26 <nebadon> i thought there was an easy way with iar for standalones
2015-04-27 21:27 <nebadon> its probably on the wiki some where, its just so hard to find stuff
2015-04-27 21:27 <Plugh> if there is I would have thought it would be the same regardless of whether OS is running in SA or grid mode.
2015-04-27 21:27 <BlueWall> http://metaverseink.com/blog/?p=29
2015-04-27 21:28 <Plugh> yea, it needs a better search engine or a better index page.
2015-04-27 21:29 <Plugh> BlueWall: That seems too easy  :)
2015-04-27 22:11 <AliciaRaven> BlueWall, im trying to reproduce the problem mata hari reported with that last patch, but i cant get it to do it for me
2015-04-27 22:12 <BlueWall> Ok, I have not been able to quickly test things, as I am in the middle of some hardware changes atm. So I have been testing them on my Jenkins first.
2015-04-27 22:13 <BlueWall> I can't see how prims would move by just a click
2015-04-27 22:13 <BlueWall> Hmm, this is not crossed up wht that grab patch is it?
2015-04-27 22:14 <AliciaRaven> she is saying its grabbing and moving, that shouldnt be possible with the changes i made to the grab, any prim with a script in will ignore grabs, im wondering if they havnt got that new grab commit on their grid
2015-04-27 22:14 <BlueWall> + you must hold a Ctrl key along with the mouse manipulations?
2015-04-27 22:15 <AliciaRaven> a prim with a script in will ignore grab, and all the patch for click to buy does is resend the object properties when the tooltip is requested
2015-04-27 22:15 <AliciaRaven> yes
2015-04-27 22:26 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-27 23:46 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-28 00:20 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-28 01:42 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-04-28 09:47 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-28 12:16 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-28 12:42 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-04-28 14:07 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-28 14:16 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-28 14:35 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-28 15:02 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-28 15:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #4139 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-04-28 15:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4139: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4139/
2015-04-28 15:12 <osjenkins> bluewall: Revert "Revert "Fix the click to buy prim dialog not being displayed with alpha viewers after recent changes to viewer code by LL.""
2015-04-28 15:28 <nebadon> hehe double reversion?
2015-04-28 15:29 <nebadon> that might be a first for this project :)
2015-04-28 15:32 <BlueWall> nahh
2015-04-28 15:32 <BlueWall> lol
2015-04-28 15:40 <BlueWall> it is strange that prims would move on click, but there has hnly been the one report.
2015-04-28 15:50 <nebadon> ya you know that might not be a new problem
2015-04-28 15:51 <nebadon> there have been times for a very long time now
2015-04-28 15:51 <nebadon> that i find objects set for sale moved at wright plaza
2015-04-28 15:51 <nebadon> and they always seem moved in a straight line
2015-04-28 15:51 <nebadon> sometimes very far 
2015-04-28 15:51 <BlueWall> hmmm
2015-04-28 15:51 <nebadon> i find a vendor out in the middle of nothing
2015-04-28 15:51 <nebadon> and i inspect whos it is
2015-04-28 15:51 <BlueWall> this weekend I had a script revert
2015-04-28 15:51 <BlueWall> and not all of it, just parts.
2015-04-28 15:52 <nebadon> and then slide it back to their store and it moves back perfectly
2015-04-28 15:52 <nebadon> its happened enough times where i cant imagine it being done accidently by the owner
2015-04-28 15:52 <nebadon> without them noticing and fixing it
2015-04-28 15:52 <nebadon> it doesnt happen a lot
2015-04-28 15:52 <nebadon> but ive seen it happen maybe 8-10 times
2015-04-28 15:52 <BlueWall> that's like those rocks in Death Valley
2015-04-28 15:53 <nebadon> haha ya
2015-04-28 15:53 <BlueWall> maybe they run that on OpenSim, hehe
2015-04-28 15:53 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-28 15:53 <Plugh> :)
2015-04-28 16:05 <Ken_S> Nebadon, I just sent you and Bluewall a couple of normal prims that illustrate the vehicle fall through issue. 
2015-04-28 16:05 <Ken_S> The prism shaped one shows it in its simplest form.
2015-04-28 16:05 <Ken_S> I sent these to Robert in osg also, but have not seen him on in a number of days.
2015-04-28 16:10 <nebadon> ok cool
2015-04-28 16:10 <nebadon> I did have a breif talk with him about it
2015-04-28 16:10 <nebadon> and he said he would look into it soon
2015-04-28 16:10 <BlueWall> thanks
2015-04-28 16:11 <Ken_S> NP, thank you guys for taking a look at it.
2015-04-28 16:11 <Ken_S> Now that we are really pushing the vehicle sims, these things are really showing up.
2015-04-28 16:35 <osmantis> Bug #7252:04 Multiple right clicks in viewer causes lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7252 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-28 16:45 <Plugh> bbl. lunch is ready.
2015-04-28 17:07 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-28 17:45 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, some one in my team has reported a standard prim move by itself, one day he walked past a building and said the south wall was exactly one meter off to the north, another time a whole building had moved half way across a sim, only happened 2 or 3 times to us in all the time we been using os
2015-04-28 17:46 <AliciaRaven> very rare event, always on a single axis
2015-04-28 17:47 <nebadon> yep
2015-04-28 17:47 <nebadon> exactly what i have seen at WP
2015-04-28 17:47 <nebadon> random stuff moving in a single axis
2015-04-28 17:48 <nebadon> most of the time its vendors
2015-04-28 17:48 <nebadon> its been doing that for years
2015-04-28 17:48 <AliciaRaven> i think 2 of the times that were reported the move was exactly one meter
2015-04-28 17:48 <nebadon> id say in the past 3 years ive noticed maybe 8-10 events
2015-04-28 17:48 <nebadon> I have only ever noticed it at Wright plaza though
2015-04-28 17:48 <AliciaRaven> will be hard to track down
2015-04-28 17:49 <nebadon> and im quite certain all the objects were vendor like objects
2015-04-28 17:49 <AliciaRaven> if mata can reproduce her issue, i doubt it would be the same issue tho
2015-04-28 17:50 <AliciaRaven> meeting in 10 mins?
2015-04-28 17:50 <AliciaRaven> i need coffee, lots of cafine lol
2015-04-28 18:01 <nebadon> Meeting time if anyone is coming :)
2015-04-28 19:11 <Plugh> I missed the meeting today. The weather is nice so I took the cat out for a walk after lunch and he was outside for about an hour and a quarter.
2015-04-28 19:39 <nebadon> here you go Plugh > http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2015-04-28
2015-04-28 19:39 <nebadon> I am about to go for a bike ride myself, bbiab
2015-04-28 19:41 <Plugh> ok, ty
2015-04-28 19:41 <Plugh> I have to go out again shortly.
2015-04-28 20:32 <osmantis> Bug #7252:04 Multiple right clicks in viewer causes lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7252 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-28 20:52 <Ken_S> I just read the chat log, and have a suggestion to speed Opensim development.
2015-04-28 20:53 <Ken_S> We donate to OSG, why not also allow donations to a pool for devs to work on the code?
2015-04-28 20:53 <Ken_S> Call it crowdfunding or whatever you want.
2015-04-28 20:54 <Ken_S> Maybe even have categories you can donate to, Physics, core, etc.
2015-04-28 20:56 <nebadon> Ken_S that really complicates things
2015-04-28 20:56 <nebadon> osgrid donations are 100% to pay for hardware
2015-04-28 20:57 <nebadon> determining who gets what is very complicated and messy process
2015-04-28 20:57 <nebadon> there is no gaurantee it would make anything better
2015-04-28 20:57 <OtakuMegane_> Also have to figure out setup and management. OSGrid has a "central" point that can manage things like donations. Opensim dev doesn't really
2015-04-28 20:57 <BlueWall> yeah -- that
2015-04-28 20:57 <BlueWall> each developer usually picks out a need they have and fill it, bringing code back to core.
2015-04-28 20:58 <BlueWall> Having a "Boss" would just turn it into SL
2015-04-28 20:58 <Ken_S> How about a different approach, like an offer of a set amy to fix a particular bug...
2015-04-28 20:58 <Ken_S> The person who offers pays the fixed directly.
2015-04-28 20:59 <OtakuMegane_> If there was a major development idea with more widespread interest in seeing it come about I could see something like that being arranged for the specific project.
2015-04-28 20:59 <BlueWall> well, that is like the llLookAt thing
2015-04-28 20:59 <Plugh> nebadon: ping
2015-04-28 20:59 <nebadon> I would suggest that if someone wants to start some kind of bug bounty system, that none of the core developers actually be responsible for that
2015-04-28 21:00 <nebadon> we cant have the same people benefiting from a program like that be the ones managing it
2015-04-28 21:00 <Ken_S> This method is used on many web sites where expert advise is requested for a fee.
2015-04-28 21:00 <Plugh> nebadon: I'm just going through the log of todays meeting. What were you suggesting to do when scripts revert while being edited?
2015-04-28 21:00 <nebadon> Justin has a page setup for himself
2015-04-28 21:00 <OtakuMegane_> Yeah. Probably best if it's a personal offer from individuals or someone who wants to handle such a system independently
2015-04-28 21:00 <Ken_S> I think that would have to be between the perosn who made the offer and the one(s) who fixed it.
2015-04-28 21:00 <nebadon> Plugh, if you close a script and reopen it and it appears to be reverted
2015-04-28 21:00 <nebadon> you close the build tool floater and all copies of script etc..
2015-04-28 21:00 <Plugh> Yes, that happens to me now and then. 
2015-04-28 21:00 <nebadon> let go of the prim itself
2015-04-28 21:01 <nebadon> then reselect it and edit it again
2015-04-28 21:01 <nebadon> you should see the correct version then
2015-04-28 21:01 <nebadon> sometimes if you dont deselect the object the script is in
2015-04-28 21:01 <nebadon> the viewer goes back to the original script
2015-04-28 21:01 <Plugh> ok. I'll have to keep that in mind next time. I've taken to taking a copy of the script and saving it on my local HD before I hit save.
2015-04-28 21:01 <nebadon> it doesnt get the update or something
2015-04-28 21:01 <Plugh> Is that viewer related or back end?
2015-04-28 21:01 <nebadon> reselecting the prim forces an update
2015-04-28 21:02 <nebadon> I have no idea
2015-04-28 21:02 <Plugh> ok
2015-04-28 21:02 <nebadon> i havent looked very much into it, just know how to deal with it when it occurs
2015-04-28 21:02 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-04-28 21:02 <Plugh> I have my work around.
2015-04-28 21:03 <Plugh> BTW, setting MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU is that something you do in Linux or Windows (or both)?
2015-04-28 21:03 <Plugh> oh, hehe... mono so that would be Linux.
2015-04-28 21:03 <OtakuMegane_> Linux. Windows has the actual .NET so don't need mono.
2015-04-28 21:03 <OtakuMegane_> Yeah
2015-04-28 21:04 <Plugh> yea, I'm a little slow on the uptake at the moment. :)
2015-04-28 21:04 <OtakuMegane_> I should probably update my startup scripts. I haven't adjusted mono threads in a long time
2015-04-28 21:06 <Plugh> hehe... in that video of Linden World it said the only way to terraform the land back in the early days was to drop grenades. :D
2015-04-28 21:06 <nebadon> yea it had been years since i tried running opensimulator without setting that
2015-04-28 21:06 <nebadon> I was kind of shocked at how poorly opensim runs on just stock mono
2015-04-28 21:07 <OtakuMegane_> MIne I think is still at the old 75 setting
2015-04-28 21:07 <nebadon> you pretty much cant do anything
2015-04-28 21:07 <nebadon> i want to say the default is 15
2015-04-28 21:07 <OtakuMegane_> But I haven't done a lot of heavy stuff in a good while either
2015-04-28 21:07 <nebadon> I literally couldnt teleport
2015-04-28 21:07 <nebadon> it would just time out
2015-04-28 21:08 <Plugh> When I get my machine up and running again I'll have to remember to check the setting before I start running OS again while testing/developing.
2015-04-28 21:08 <nebadon> what happened was normally i compile mono myself
2015-04-28 21:08 <nebadon> but AllenKerensky said why not use the mono repo since its updated now
2015-04-28 21:09 <nebadon> so i gave that a shot and totally forgot about the .bashrc settings i normally set when I do everything manually
2015-04-28 21:09 <nebadon> looks like mono 4 has finally hit too
2015-04-28 21:09 <nebadon> going to have to give that a shot
2015-04-28 21:09 <OtakuMegane_> Yeah. I used to compile it because the only thing I could get out of repo on CentOS 5 was 2.4. Can get the latest sutff now, so no point in compiling it all like before.
2015-04-28 21:10 <BlueWall> haa, hope they put up packages for that
2015-04-28 21:10 <nebadon> http://www.mono-project.com/download/
2015-04-28 21:10 <BlueWall> The latest Mono release is: 4.0.1
2015-04-28 21:11 <nebadon> yea
2015-04-28 21:11 <AllenKerensky> yeah but monodevelop is not yet moved up
2015-04-28 21:11 <AllenKerensky> so if you use monodevelop, you might wanna wait
2015-04-28 21:11 <nebadon> looks like the Debian Wheezy repo has 4.0.1
2015-04-28 21:11 <nebadon> i assume the centos that opensuse uses does too
2015-04-28 21:11 <BlueWall> yessireeee! \o/
2015-04-28 21:12 <AllenKerensky> yeah I got the 4.0.1 offered from the centos repo this morning - which is how I found out monodevelop isn't in there
2015-04-28 21:12 <AllenKerensky> monodevelop still has some 3.12.1 depends
2015-04-28 21:12 <BlueWall> should still run?
2015-04-28 21:12 <nebadon> monodevelop is always behind itseems
2015-04-28 21:12 <nebadon> ya i would think it should still run
2015-04-28 21:13 <nebadon> just a matter of selecting what version of mono you want to use in the preferences
2015-04-28 21:13 <nebadon> i would think the only time monodevelop would possibly be problematic is if your compiling it yourself
2015-04-28 21:13 <nebadon> what a nightmare that is
2015-04-28 21:13 <nebadon> the repo version should just work though
2015-04-28 21:14 <BlueWall> hmmm, Iupgraded but it is still saying 3.12.1
2015-04-28 21:14 <BlueWall> have to dig into that in a bit.
2015-04-28 21:14 <nebadon> are you using the xamarin wheezy repo?
2015-04-28 21:14 <BlueWall> yes
2015-04-28 21:14 <nebadon> do a dist up?
2015-04-28 21:14 <BlueWall> message The following packages have been kept back: .....
2015-04-28 21:15 <BlueWall> I'll try that
2015-04-28 21:15 <nebadon> i forget the apt terminology for it
2015-04-28 21:15 <nebadon> im so zypper bound
2015-04-28 21:15 <nebadon> hehe
2015-04-28 21:15 <BlueWall> yeah, me too.
2015-04-28 21:15 <nebadon> constantly typing zypper on my raspberry pi
2015-04-28 21:15 <BlueWall> still finding my way around
2015-04-28 21:15 <AllenKerensky> zypper is a long way to spell yum *ducks and runs*
2015-04-28 21:16 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-28 21:16 <BlueWall> they should not ahve assigned that kernel bug to me 
2015-04-28 21:16 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-28 21:16 <BlueWall> looks like dist-upgrade is getting it.
2015-04-28 21:16 <nebadon> nice i figured that would do it
2015-04-28 21:16 <BlueWall> I am liking it pretty good.
2015-04-28 21:17 <BlueWall> in a lot of ways it seems more stable and mature than OpenSuSE
2015-04-28 21:17 <BlueWall> dunno how it would do as a desktop though.
2015-04-28 21:17 <nebadon> I was surprised how much i actually like Lubuntu on the pi
2015-04-28 21:17 <nebadon> LXDE desktop
2015-04-28 21:17 <BlueWall> I wonder if one of those would make a decent router?
2015-04-28 21:18 <nebadon> the pi2 would
2015-04-28 21:18 <nebadon> though its lacking proper ethernet ports to be a router
2015-04-28 21:18 <nebadon> the banana pi has a router version
2015-04-28 21:18 <BlueWall> then I would have to get into all that port forwarding/loopback stuff.
2015-04-28 21:19 <nebadon> http://www.banana-pi.com/eacp_view.asp?id=64
2015-04-28 21:19 <BlueWall> I have always run right on the net.
2015-04-28 21:19 <nebadon> that is scary :)
2015-04-28 21:19 <nebadon> i havent done that in a long time
2015-04-28 21:20 <nebadon> other than servers of course
2015-04-28 21:20 <nebadon> been a long time since i hooked a workstation directly to the net
2015-04-28 21:20 <nebadon> back when i had comcast@home
2015-04-28 21:20 <nebadon> hehe
2015-04-28 21:20 <BlueWall> that is what I usually do here - server against the net (dual-homed) and other things inside
2015-04-28 21:20 <Plugh> I was starting to wonder if the Banana Pi was varporware. Was hard finding out if it was actually available for sale.
2015-04-28 21:21 <nebadon> it is
2015-04-28 21:21 <Plugh> The B Pi's web site wasn't all that good when I last saw it.
2015-04-28 21:21 <nebadon> i just realized thats not the real website
2015-04-28 21:21 <nebadon> http://www.bananapi.com/index.php/component/content/article?layout=edit&id=59
2015-04-28 21:21 <BlueWall> Mono JIT compiler version 4.0.1
2015-04-28 21:22 <nebadon> I am upgrading my amd server now
2015-04-28 21:22 <nebadon> im going to compile mono myself
2015-04-28 21:27 <Plugh> yea, thought it didn't look right
2015-04-28 21:28 <nebadon> I think they have a more powerful version coming soon with wifi
2015-04-28 21:28 <nebadon> better cpu and more ram
2015-04-28 21:29 <nebadon> oh wait that one has wireless
2015-04-28 21:29 <nebadon> maybe that is the newer one then
2015-04-28 21:29 <Plugh> The site I usually see is this -> http://www.bananapi.org/
2015-04-28 21:29 <BlueWall> $74.00, not bad
2015-04-28 21:30 <BlueWall> I guess you need other things to make it work though.
2015-04-28 21:31 <nebadon> ya
2015-04-28 21:31 <BlueWall> how many ports though?
2015-04-28 21:31 <BlueWall> looks like 3/4
2015-04-28 21:31 <nebadon> 1 wan 4 lan
2015-04-28 21:31 <BlueWall> :)
2015-04-28 21:31 <BlueWall> could run a decent mail server in it?
2015-04-28 21:32 <nebadon> http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/A6DB_130626926740312500TdzcmyO9yy.jpg
2015-04-28 21:32 <nebadon> oh yea absolutely im sure you could
2015-04-28 21:32 <BlueWall> 
ACTION has a mail server that would make Hillary Clinton green with envy

2015-04-28 21:32 <nebadon> the raspberry Pi2 which is similar stats is quite powerful
2015-04-28 21:32 <BlueWall> lol
2015-04-28 21:32 <BlueWall> I should move all that stuff out though
2015-04-28 21:32 <nebadon> though that one is dual core
2015-04-28 21:32 <nebadon> the pi2 is quad core
2015-04-28 21:33 <nebadon> yea you are almost better off getting a vm for that
2015-04-28 21:33 <BlueWall> ++
2015-04-28 21:33 <nebadon> like linode or something
2015-04-28 21:33 <BlueWall> I have Hostmonster
2015-04-28 21:33 <BlueWall> but, I pull things in and sort lists, etc. with my IMAP server
2015-04-28 21:34 <BlueWall> I could probably save some $$ here by shutting off equipment when not being used.
2015-04-28 21:34 <nebadon> heh ya
2015-04-28 21:34 <nebadon> dahlia has a pretty cheap server host i forget the name or url now
2015-04-28 21:35 <nebadon> was like 30 or 40$ a month
2015-04-28 21:35 <nebadon> i think it was a i5 quad maybe
2015-04-28 21:35 <nebadon> lots of space and ram for the money
2015-04-28 21:35 <nebadon> ok mono compiled and installed
2015-04-28 21:35 <nebadon> lets give this a whirl :)
2015-04-28 21:36 <BlueWall> I'll update my dev box and see what monodevelop does.
2015-04-28 21:38 <BlueWall> ......
2015-04-28 21:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #4140 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-04-28 21:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4140: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4140/
2015-04-28 21:44 <osjenkins> bluewall: Revert "Enable grab feature (Ctrl+Drag) for non-physical link-sets and add code to handle spin (Ctrl+Shift+Drag)"
2015-04-28 21:45 <osmantis> Bug #7530:04 [Patch] Enable object grab and add the code to spin objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7530 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-28 21:45 <nebadon> logged into my simulator with mono 4.0.1 seems to be fine so far
2015-04-28 21:46 <osmantis> Bug #7530:04 [Patch] Enable object grab and add the code to spin objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7530 ): has been REOPENED.
2015-04-28 21:52 <Plugh> bbl. Taking a break from the computer for a bit and then it will be time for dinner.
2015-04-28 21:53 <BlueWall> ohh errors building here
2015-04-28 21:55 <nebadon> with monodevelop?
2015-04-28 21:55 <BlueWall> xbuild
2015-04-28 21:55 <nebadon> oh
2015-04-28 21:55 <nebadon> hmm i didnt compile
2015-04-28 21:55 <nebadon> let me try
2015-04-28 21:55 <nebadon> i just restarted regions
2015-04-28 21:55 <BlueWall> seems that we will need to import things that were done automatically
2015-04-28 21:56 <BlueWall> yeah, I restarted regions on the other server and it's all good there.
2015-04-28 21:57 <nebadon> it compiled fine for me
2015-04-28 21:57 <BlueWall> really
2015-04-28 21:57 <nebadon> 183 warnings - 0 Errors
2015-04-28 21:57 <BlueWall> gmm
2015-04-28 21:58 <BlueWall> 93 erros here
2015-04-28 21:58 <nebadon> let me do a fresh clone on master
2015-04-28 21:58 <nebadon> im a few revs back
2015-04-28 21:58 <BlueWall> I just cleaned it.
2015-04-28 21:58 <BlueWall> I'll rm bin and checkout again
2015-04-28 21:59 <BlueWall> CSC: error CS0518: The predefined type `System.Exception' is not defined or imported
2015-04-28 22:00 <BlueWall> things like that
2015-04-28 22:00 <nebadon> i have a fresh clone compiling now
2015-04-28 22:00 <BlueWall> maybe some difference in the packages and roll-your-own?
2015-04-28 22:01 <nebadon> 107 warnings 0 errors this time
2015-04-28 22:01 <nebadon> possible
2015-04-28 22:01 <nebadon> though that would be odd
2015-04-28 22:03 <nebadon> that error above almost sounds like your missing a package
2015-04-28 22:03 <nebadon> this is mono-complete i assume?
2015-04-28 22:04 <BlueWall> yes
2015-04-28 22:04 <BlueWall> I built on it before upgrading.
2015-04-28 22:04 <nebadon> yea hmmm
2015-04-28 22:04 <nebadon> maybe restart bash?
2015-04-28 22:05 <BlueWall> I'll rebott the machine 
2015-04-28 22:05 <nebadon> k
2015-04-28 22:05 <nebadon> can't hurt
2015-04-28 22:06 <BlueWall> ohh, can run android on the pi ?
2015-04-28 22:07 <BlueWall> same after reboot
2015-04-28 22:08 <nebadon> I think it can
2015-04-28 22:10 <nebadon> looks like only older version
2015-04-28 22:10 <nebadon> sounds like the android 4.0 project has dried up
2015-04-28 22:13 <nebadon> lol whoops
2015-04-28 22:13 <nebadon> left my ball rezzers on at Sisyphus
2015-04-28 22:13 <nebadon> over 6000 spheres
2015-04-28 22:14 <nebadon> see how long it goes before explosion
2015-04-28 22:15 <nebadon> this is with bullet not in its own thread either
2015-04-28 22:17 <BlueWall> yeah, no luck here, will need to dig a bit.
2015-04-28 22:18 <Plugh> BlueWall: What are you digging for?
2015-04-28 22:18 <BlueWall> the latest mono is not compiling OpenSim here on a fresh debain machine.
2015-04-28 22:18 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/7000_physical_spheres_01_001.png
2015-04-28 22:18 <Plugh> oh
2015-04-28 22:18 <nebadon> how strange
2015-04-28 22:19 <BlueWall> wow
2015-04-28 22:19 <dahlia> lol BlueWall is the winner of the revert contest :D
2015-04-28 22:19 <BlueWall> haha
2015-04-28 22:19 <BlueWall> Hey - what reversion are you running?
2015-04-28 22:19 <dahlia> see Melanie_T for your prize 
2015-04-28 22:19 <smxy> How many times is this one fix going to be added and reverted? Geez.
2015-04-28 22:20 <BlueWall> till it's right
2015-04-28 22:20 <AllenKerensky> OneMoreThanCurrent++;
2015-04-28 22:20 <smxy> I knew you had balls, nebadon, but ... really.
2015-04-28 22:21 <nebadon> its still going too
2015-04-28 22:21 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-28 22:22 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/8400_physical_spheres_01_001.png
2015-04-28 22:22 <OtakuMegane_> How's performance?
2015-04-28 22:22 <nebadon> im going to go ahead and say mono 4 is pretty stable with physics
2015-04-28 22:22 <smxy> You'll make SaladBoy jealous. ;)
2015-04-28 22:22 <nebadon> oh stats are terrible
2015-04-28 22:22 <OtakuMegane_> lol
2015-04-28 22:23 <nebadon> 2fps on the new stats
2015-04-28 22:23 <nebadon> out of 11fps max
2015-04-28 22:23 <nebadon> when you run mono on the main thread it seems no matter how hard you hit it
2015-04-28 22:23 <nebadon> it maxes cpu at 120%
2015-04-28 22:24 <smxy> mono on the main thread or bulletsim?
2015-04-28 22:24 <nebadon> bulletsim
2015-04-28 22:24 <nebadon> im not running it in its own thread
2015-04-28 22:24 <smxy> I thgink I always give it its own thread.
2015-04-28 22:24 <nebadon> yea
2015-04-28 22:24 <nebadon> the problem with that is you dont get physics stats
2015-04-28 22:24 <nebadon> and I am also testing the stats patch
2015-04-28 22:24 <smxy> Someone should fix that then. :)
2015-04-28 22:24 <nebadon> so need to disable that for now while testing
2015-04-28 22:24 <nebadon> ya
2015-04-28 22:24 <BlueWall> hey, I must have something other than mono-complete here because I told it to install that and it is adding files.
2015-04-28 22:24 <nebadon> thats been discussed
2015-04-28 22:25 <nebadon> ahh cool
2015-04-28 22:25 <BlueWall> I hope that is the cure
2015-04-28 22:25 <nebadon> i kind of figured that might be it
2015-04-28 22:25 <nebadon> those kinds of messages are indicitive of missing package
2015-04-28 22:25 <nebadon> hopefully it is
2015-04-28 22:25 <BlueWall> but, it was compiling opensim before the upgrade
2015-04-28 22:25 <BlueWall> heh
2015-04-28 22:25 <nebadon> possible mono-complete is redefined some how with mono 4.0.1
2015-04-28 22:25 <nebadon> you would think a dist-upgrade would handle that though
2015-04-28 22:25 <nebadon> but who knows
2015-04-28 22:25 <BlueWall> there she goes
2015-04-28 22:26 <BlueWall> whew!
2015-04-28 22:26 <nebadon> cool
2015-04-28 22:26 <BlueWall> now I can revert some more commits
2015-04-28 22:26 <BlueWall> haha
2015-04-28 22:26 <smxy> lol
2015-04-28 22:26 <Plugh> :)
2015-04-28 22:26 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-28 22:26 <nebadon> revert all the patches 0/
2015-04-28 22:26 <smxy> I'm still running 3.12.1. I should build something newer.
2015-04-28 22:27 <BlueWall> it compiles fast
2015-04-28 22:27 <nebadon> ok i think 10,000 spheres is ample test
2015-04-28 22:27 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-28 22:27 <BlueWall> not really setup to run on this box yet.
2015-04-28 22:27 <BlueWall> rebooted it last night and the memory was still counting when I woke up this am
2015-04-28 22:27 <BlueWall> hehe
2015-04-28 22:28 <smxy> How much does it have?
2015-04-28 22:28 <BlueWall> just 32g
2015-04-28 22:28 <smxy> You must have enabled every mem check in the server
2015-04-28 22:28 <BlueWall> ohh was just joking
2015-04-28 22:28 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-28 22:28 <BlueWall> hehe
2015-04-28 22:29 <smxy> 
ACTION smacks BlueWall with a large trout!

2015-04-28 22:29 <BlueWall> I set it up so I could run several VM 
2015-04-28 22:29 <BlueWall> 
ACTION grabs the trout and runs for the grill

2015-04-28 22:29 <smxy> :)
2015-04-28 22:30 <smxy> What's your virtualization program?
2015-04-28 22:30 <Plugh> hehe
2015-04-28 22:30 <BlueWall> I'm just gonig to use VirtualBox
2015-04-28 22:30 <BlueWall> I looked at Xen
2015-04-28 22:30 <smxy> I love my XenServer 6.5 :)
2015-04-28 22:31 <BlueWall> from what I could gather, it didn't run windows in a vm?
2015-04-28 22:31 <dahlia> I want to try kvm but never get around to it
2015-04-28 22:31 <smxy> Both of them.
2015-04-28 22:31 <nebadon> I like how simplified virtualbox is
2015-04-28 22:31 <smxy> It can run Windows in a VM.
2015-04-28 22:31 <BlueWall> ohhh, ok
2015-04-28 22:31 <nebadon> i dont keep my vms running 24/8 though
2015-04-28 22:31 <dahlia> ya virtualbox too easy
2015-04-28 22:31 <BlueWall> I might look at it later
2015-04-28 22:31 <nebadon> lol 24/8
2015-04-28 22:31 <smxy> I wish *I* had an extra day a week ...
2015-04-28 22:31 <BlueWall> hehe
2015-04-28 22:31 <BlueWall> need 2 or 3
2015-04-28 22:32 <smxy> Yeah. Added to the weekend. :)
2015-04-28 22:32 <dahlia> smxy: all you have to do is 1) define a new calendar 2) gain enough political clout to force the rest of the planet to use it
2015-04-28 22:32 <smxy> Cesear I ain't. :)
2015-04-28 22:32 <dahlia> I suggest if you do, make 8 weekend days and 1 work day :)
2015-04-28 22:32 <BlueWall> haha
2015-04-28 22:33 <BlueWall> 2K/hour min wage
2015-04-28 23:27 -!- BeyBar(~Tommy@90-231-42-231-no42.tbcn.telia.com) has left #opensim-dev
2015-04-29 01:37 <nebadon> https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/343kmi/nvidia_users_how_to_turn_down_your_cpu_usage_and/
2015-04-29 01:49 <smxy> mono 4.0.1 seems to take longer to compile that 3.x did ...
2015-04-29 01:49 <smxy> than*
2015-04-29 01:50 <nebadon> really? you mean compile mono itself?
2015-04-29 01:50 <nebadon> or to compile opensim?
2015-04-29 01:50 <smxy> yes
2015-04-29 01:50 <smxy> mono
2015-04-29 01:50 <nebadon> when you run make are you just typing make alone?
2015-04-29 01:50 <smxy> yes
2015-04-29 01:50 <nebadon> if you type > make -j4 it will use 4 cores
2015-04-29 01:50 <nebadon> and goes faster
2015-04-29 01:51 <nebadon> when i built it earlier today myself i did -j7 on my 8 core cpu
2015-04-29 01:51 <smxy> don't recall seeing that in your instructions.
2015-04-29 01:51 <nebadon> so it was very fast
2015-04-29 01:51 <nebadon> ya i guess i should amend that
2015-04-29 01:51 <nebadon> as a note
2015-04-29 01:51 <nebadon> it can help a lot if you have a lot of cpu cores
2015-04-29 01:51 <smxy> I'll make a note of that for next time. :)
2015-04-29 01:51 <nebadon> if you stop it
2015-04-29 01:51 <nebadon> and run it again
2015-04-29 01:51 <nebadon> it will pick right up from where you stopped
2015-04-29 01:51 <smxy> I have ... oh ... 48. :)
2015-04-29 01:52 <smxy> But they aren't all assigned to this VM.
2015-04-29 01:52 <nebadon> yea can only use however many the vm has
2015-04-29 01:52 <nebadon> brb food!
2015-04-29 01:52 <smxy> Yeah, so for next time I'll make sure my build VM has more vCPUs. :)
2015-04-29 01:55 <smxy> Well. Mono failed to build. That hasn't happened in a very long time.
2015-04-29 01:57 <nebadon> any specific error?
2015-04-29 01:58 <smxy> yes
2015-04-29 01:58 <smxy> pastebinning ...
2015-04-29 01:59 <smxy> The suggested solution doesn't help, either.
2015-04-29 01:59 <smxy> http://pastebin.com/nraw1t3N
2015-04-29 02:01 <nebadon> what version of mono?
2015-04-29 02:01 <nebadon> i assume your doing this as root?
2015-04-29 02:01 <smxy> yes
2015-04-29 02:01 <nebadon> you would need I think mono 3.x+ as root
2015-04-29 02:01 <nebadon> to build it
2015-04-29 02:01 <nebadon> you can just set the userspace you have for your opensim user for root as well
2015-04-29 02:01 <nebadon> and that should resolve this
2015-04-29 02:02 <smxy> Well, I tried the suggested 'make get-monolite-latest' and that didn't help, so I think you're right. I'll have to get my 3.12.1 into the path and try with that.
2015-04-29 02:03 <smxy> Might as well throw a few more vCPUs at this VM, while I'm at it. :)
2015-04-29 02:04 <nebadon> :)
2015-04-29 02:20 <smxy> Oh yeah. Definitely building a bit faster with j7. :)
2015-04-29 02:24 <smxy> Still fails.
2015-04-29 02:24 <smxy> It finds the mcs this time, but still fails  at the same place in tramp-amd64.c
2015-04-29 02:25 <smxy> * Assertion at tramp-amd64.c:1115, condition `code - buf <= tramp_size' not met
2015-04-29 02:27 <nebadon> that is a strange error
2015-04-29 02:30 <smxy> Someone reported it as a bug on 3/31 and it is supposedly fixed in Master.
2015-04-29 02:30 <smxy> https://bugzilla.xamarin.com/show_bug.cgi?id=28586
2015-04-29 02:31 <nebadon> what operating system are you using?
2015-04-29 02:32 <smxy> The same one I've always been using: CentOS 6.
2015-04-29 02:33 <nebadon> http://www.mono-project.com/docs/getting-started/install/linux/#centos-fedora-and-derivatives
2015-04-29 02:33 <nebadon> install from the repo
2015-04-29 02:33 <smxy> Guess I'll try building Master.
2015-04-29 02:33 <smxy> hmm
2015-04-29 02:35 <smxy> That doesn't actually say what version I'll get.
2015-04-29 02:35 <nebadon> its latest release
2015-04-29 02:35 <nebadon> its same repo for opensuse and centos
2015-04-29 02:35 <nebadon> and fedora too
2015-04-29 02:35 <smxy> I'm so used to building it, it feels weird to install it pre-built.
2015-04-29 02:35 <nebadon> hehe ya
2015-04-29 02:36 <nebadon> i used it other day on one of the osgrid servers, felt strange
2015-04-29 02:36 <smxy> It also means I have to install it on every VM, rather than have my one copy shared through the NFS mount.
2015-04-29 02:36 <nebadon> well
2015-04-29 02:36 <nebadon> if you install it on one machine
2015-04-29 02:36 <nebadon> then you likely can compile it no problem
2015-04-29 02:37 <smxy> Oh, you mean use it to build it.
2015-04-29 02:37 <nebadon> yea
2015-04-29 02:37 <smxy> hmm
2015-04-29 02:37 <smxy> worth a try
2015-04-29 02:37 <nebadon> wierd though i was able to build 4.0.1 no problem
2015-04-29 02:38 <nebadon> i used mono 3.0.6 to build it
2015-04-29 02:41 <nebadon> however
2015-04-29 02:41 <nebadon> i was using 3.0.6 from the opensuse repo
2015-04-29 02:41 <nebadon> not one I built myself
2015-04-29 02:48 <smxy> Not sure I can do this on CentOS6
2015-04-29 02:49 <nebadon> do what?
2015-04-29 02:49 <nebadon> add the repo?
2015-04-29 02:49 <smxy> Install it. It's failing to install because it wants up to glibc 2.16 and I only have 2.12 and I'm fully updated
2015-04-29 02:50 <nebadon> oh
2015-04-29 02:50 <nebadon> that sucks
2015-04-29 02:50 <smxy> I bet it would work on CentOS 7
2015-04-29 02:50 <nebadon> this is one of the things that drove me nuts on centos
2015-04-29 02:50 <nebadon> LTS usually mean slow on the uptake
2015-04-29 02:51 <nebadon> not necesarilly bad for production environments
2015-04-29 02:51 <nebadon> but frustrating for bleeding edgers
2015-04-29 02:51 <nebadon> hehe
2015-04-29 02:52 <smxy> My not up to date CentOS 7 VM has glibc 2.17
2015-04-29 02:52 <smxy> Guess I'm back to trying to build Master
2015-04-29 02:53 <nebadon> you know
2015-04-29 02:54 <nebadon> glibc 2.12 is vulnerable to that ghost exploit isnt it?
2015-04-29 02:54 <smxy> Red Hat backported the fix.
2015-04-29 02:54 <nebadon> thats a nasty one
2015-04-29 02:54 <nebadon> oh to 2.12?
2015-04-29 02:54 <smxy> Yes.
2015-04-29 02:54 <nebadon> ah
2015-04-29 02:54 <nebadon> frigan LTS
2015-04-29 02:54 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-29 03:03 <smxy> Sigh. I've forgotten how to build from their git.
2015-04-29 03:03 <smxy> Instead of getting the tarball, I cloned their git repo.
2015-04-29 03:03 <smxy> cd'd into mono
2015-04-29 03:03 <smxy> but can't run configure
2015-04-29 03:04 <nebadon> its autogen.sh
2015-04-29 03:04 <nebadon> with same variables
2015-04-29 03:04 <smxy> ok
2015-04-29 03:04 <smxy> there we go
2015-04-29 03:04 <smxy> ty
2015-04-29 03:05 <smxy> won't need to run configure after, right?
2015-04-29 03:05 <osmantis> Bug #7514:04 Can't rez items from OSGrid on my own grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7514 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-29 03:13 <nebadon> right autogen is enough
2015-04-29 03:14 <smxy> I believe I'm well past where it failed before, but it's not done yet.
2015-04-29 03:15 <nebadon> cool
2015-04-29 03:18 <smxy> Done and installed. :)
2015-04-29 03:21 <smxy> It seems what I've built is 4.1.0
2015-04-29 03:22 <smxy> Mono JIT compiler version 4.1.0 (master/2337295 Tue Apr 28 23:09:41 EDT 2015)
2015-04-29 03:22 <nebadon> nice
2015-04-29 03:23 <smxy> Well, if it works. :)
2015-04-29 03:26 <nebadon> http://i.imgur.com/9JYApDW.jpg
2015-04-29 03:27 <smxy> lol
2015-04-29 03:27 <nebadon> :)
2015-04-29 05:10 <dahlia> the internet of things comes of age: http://www.slashgear.com/ch4-health-tracker-monitors-your-flatulence-judges-your-diet-28381248/
2015-04-29 05:54 <smxy> Dear god. lol
2015-04-29 12:36 <osmantis> Bug #7531:04 V2 OfflineIM messages HG to HG don't get send to the user after logging in. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7531 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-29 14:30 <osmantis> Bug #7545:04 Unknown Errors In Console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7545 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-04-29 15:36 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-29 15:40 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-29 16:09 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-29 16:21 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-04-29 16:25 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-04-29 16:25 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006623.
2015-04-29 16:25 <osmantis> Bug #6623:04 llCastRay returns incorrect UUID when it collides with a linkset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6623 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007546.
2015-04-29 16:25 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007351.
2015-04-29 16:25 <osmantis> Bug #7351:04 llCastRay returns hits incorrectly outside rotated objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7351 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007546.
2015-04-29 16:25 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007374.
2015-04-29 16:25 <osmantis> Bug #7374:04 llCastRay does not return the UUID of child prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7374 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007546.
2015-04-29 16:26 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007375.
2015-04-29 16:26 <osmantis> Bug #7375:04 llCastRay does not treat physics type NONE prims as phantom 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7375 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007546.
2015-04-29 16:26 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007512.
2015-04-29 16:26 <osmantis> Bug #7512:04 llCastRay does not use target avatar rotation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7512 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007546.
2015-04-29 16:38 <diva> are ppl able to run master head?
2015-04-29 16:45 <nebadon_> I think so diva why?
2015-04-29 16:49 <diva> I'm having some grief  on my local test grid :( possibly due to some borkness of copy-pasting things manually
2015-04-29 16:50 <nebadon_> ah
2015-04-29 16:50 <nebadon_> let me update to be sure
2015-04-29 16:51 <Ken_S> I'm running head and it seems fine, but I'm on Windows.
2015-04-29 16:53 <nebadon_> yea fine here too
2015-04-29 16:55 <diva> I started using VS 2012, and things are... odd
2015-04-29 17:13 <thoys_> Hey there, I got a crash with empty stacktrace in opensim, is that common. Using "mono --debug OpenSim.exe" to run it in Ubuntu 14.04. "16:39:29 - [SCENE]: Loading objects from datastore
2015-04-29 17:13 <thoys_> Stacktrace:
2015-04-29 17:13 <thoys_> Native stacktrace:
2015-04-29 17:13 <thoys_> "
2015-04-29 17:19 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-29 17:22 <nebadon_> thoys_ no that is not common
2015-04-29 17:22 <nebadon_> are you saying it doesnt crash if you leave off --debug?
2015-04-29 17:23 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-29 17:23 <thoys_> it still crashes if i do that nebadon_ 
2015-04-29 17:24 <thoys_> after that happens, i dont see what im typing in the terminal anymore
2015-04-29 17:26 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-29 17:40 <osmantis> Bug #7547:04 The use of floats gives poor precision 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7547 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-04-29 17:43 <osmantis> Bug #7512:04 llCastRay does not use target avatar rotation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7512 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-29 17:49 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-29 17:59 <thoys_> hmm it seems to happen as soon as i start loading my oar, tried it again with a fresh database
2015-04-29 18:00 <thoys_> nebadon_, ^
2015-04-29 18:03 <thoys_> http://pastebin.ca/2985597
2015-04-29 18:07 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-29 18:18 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-29 18:19 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-29 18:20 <nebadon_> ok thoys_ let me look sorry was afk just ran to the store
2015-04-29 18:20 <nebadon_> ah thoys_ this is that kernel / mono issue
2015-04-29 18:20 <nebadon_> i dont know how to resolve this
2015-04-29 18:21 <nebadon_> other than A) drop to a older kernel or B) downgrage to an older linux
2015-04-29 18:21 <nebadon_> i have the same problem with opensuse 13.2
2015-04-29 18:21 <nebadon_> i had to downgrade to 13.1
2015-04-29 18:21 <nebadon_> others have similar issues as well
2015-04-29 18:21 <nebadon_> anything beyond the 3.12 kernel I beleive is problematic
2015-04-29 18:21 <nebadon_> sucks I hope someone can figure this out soon
2015-04-29 18:22 <nebadon_> cause its very much going to be a real problem soon
2015-04-29 18:22 <nebadon_> as older kernels fall out of favor and LTS ends on previous versions of linux
2015-04-29 18:23 <nebadon_> the data center I rent servers from in germany has stopped provisioning for opensuse 13.1 and is only 13.2 now
2015-04-29 18:23 <nebadon_> its going to cause me pain if i need to aquire another server
2015-04-29 18:23 <nebadon_> they do offer self install of old images, but its a pain, lots of steps
2015-04-29 18:30 <BlueWall> Since Xamarin have released 4x, maybe we can get their attention.
2015-04-29 18:55 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-29 19:07 <shyRob> @
2015-04-29 19:09 <shyRob> @diva: I cant start from a fresh master too... I'm using VS 2013, but I think in my case it's an issue with a missing config section
2015-04-29 19:12 <nebadon> http://www.geekwire.com/2015/microsofts-visual-studio-expands-to-mac-and-linux-with-new-code-development-tool/
2015-04-29 19:13 <nebadon> https://code.visualstudio.com/Download
2015-04-29 19:17 <jakdaniels_> "If you don't want to send your crash dumps to Microsoft, don't install this tool. " Lol... that's one way to deal with privacy issues...
2015-04-29 19:18 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/visual_studio_code_linux_01.png
2015-04-29 19:19 <nebadon> yea people were bitching about that on Windows 10 developer eval version
2015-04-29 19:19 <jakdaniels_> how fast did it load and setup all the references to the main opensim project?
2015-04-29 19:19 <nebadon> not suprirsing they would say that lol
2015-04-29 19:19 <nebadon> all i did was open folder
2015-04-29 19:19 <nebadon> not sure exaclty how to use it yet
2015-04-29 19:20 <nebadon> i tried opening just the .sln file but it only opened just that file
2015-04-29 19:20 <nebadon> its more like an editor tool
2015-04-29 19:20 <nebadon> and not totally like visual studio 
2015-04-29 19:20 <nebadon> still its kind of a nice editor
2015-04-29 19:20 <jakdaniels_> can you open the sln file that prebuild makes as a project?
2015-04-29 19:21 <nebadon> thats what I tried
2015-04-29 19:21 <nebadon> it didnt open the entire project like visual studio does
2015-04-29 19:21 <nebadon> but i may be doing something wrong
2015-04-29 19:21 <nebadon> however it appears more that this is meant for pulling and pushing to git 
2015-04-29 19:21 <nebadon> and editing
2015-04-29 19:22 <jakdaniels_> ah ok. I guess without the project references it can't do auto complete?
2015-04-29 19:22 <nebadon> honestly im not sure hehe
2015-04-29 19:22 <nebadon> would have to play with it more
2015-04-29 19:22 <nebadon> i just installed it like 10 seconds before i posted the link
2015-04-29 19:22 <jakdaniels_> yes. I'll have to spin up a linux desktop vm to try it too I guess
2015-04-29 19:34 <Plugh> diva: Re: patch for bug #7540, why are there three Stopwatch calls in a row? Is that just some test code??
2015-04-29 19:43 <nebadon> I think it has to do with different statistics Plugh maybe
2015-04-29 19:43 <nebadon> like physics vs sim fps etc..
2015-04-29 19:44 <nebadon> have you started to assemble your new computer yet?
2015-04-29 19:45 <Plugh> That would make sense but it doesn't read like that is what it is doing. Three calls that are "var_name = Environment.TickCount" in a row doesn't seem, to me, to be very useful.
2015-04-29 19:47 <Plugh> I could see it being useful if it was part of the regression tests where it would not be used except during testing.
2015-04-29 19:47 <dahlia> maybe it's benchmarking stopwatch
2015-04-29 19:47 <shyRob> @diva: even the files were there after building with VS2013 I had a number of missing dll errors (e.g. OpenSim.Data.SQLite.dll). After I rebuilt the whole solution 10 minutes later everything went thru.
2015-04-29 19:48 <dahlia> code like that would hopefully be documented....
2015-04-29 19:48 <Plugh> dahlia: That is all it seems to be doing. 
2015-04-29 19:49 <Plugh> nebadon: Not yet. I need to document some damage to the case.
2015-04-29 19:49 <nebadon> oh that sucks
2015-04-29 19:49 <Plugh> Not all that major but annoying.
2015-04-29 19:49 <nebadon> yea what is wrong with it?
2015-04-29 19:50 <Plugh> Minor damage to the top rear corners of both side panels. Rear bottom corner of the case where the power supply goes is also slightly bent up.
2015-04-29 19:50 <nebadon> hmm wierd was the boxing damaged? happen in shipping?
2015-04-29 19:50 <Plugh> Nope. Box looks fine.
2015-04-29 19:51 <nebadon> how odd
2015-04-29 19:51 <Plugh> Not too surprising in a way. Just bad luck for me. I read some reviews where others had received cases where there was some damage.
2015-04-29 19:52 <dahlia> someone who worked in a shipping department once told me "the number of fragile stickers only determines the arc"
2015-04-29 19:52 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-29 19:52 <Plugh> hehe
2015-04-29 19:53 <nebadon> atleast its the back of the case if you do decide to keep it
2015-04-29 19:53 <nebadon> not something you have to stare at all day long
2015-04-29 19:53 <nebadon> hehe
2015-04-29 19:53 <Plugh> yeah
2015-04-29 19:53 <Plugh> If I was to send it back it means more delay getting my machine up and running.
2015-04-29 19:54 <H-H-H> re that mono issue, i run manjaro and it uses mono 3.12.1 and it used to crash with the 3.10 kernel but since i upgraded my kernel to 3.12 not a single crash 
2015-04-29 19:54 <dahlia> they probably know that Plugh ;)
2015-04-29 19:54 <nebadon> they may send you a new one with shipping labels to return the old one
2015-04-29 19:54 <dahlia> who did you buy it from?
2015-04-29 19:54 <nebadon> newegg
2015-04-29 19:54 <Plugh> nebadon: That would be good. I need to move the case to somewhere there is a bit more light before I take pictures.
2015-04-29 19:55 <dahlia> ahh, never bought from newegg
2015-04-29 19:55 <dahlia> I usually go to Frys because they are like 5 miles away
2015-04-29 19:55 <dahlia> (and a serious temptation)
2015-04-29 19:55 <nebadon> ya I miss frys
2015-04-29 19:55 <nebadon> thats a west coast thing
2015-04-29 19:56 <Plugh> newegg had a warehouse that is more or lessacross the city from me. I ordered the items yesterday and got them by lunch time today
2015-04-29 19:56 <nebadon> there was 2 in phoenix when i was in arizona
2015-04-29 19:56 <nebadon> one of them looked like a mayan temple
2015-04-29 19:56 <nebadon> the other one looked like a jetsons type space port
2015-04-29 19:56 <dahlia> ya they all have some kind of theme
2015-04-29 19:57 <nebadon> http://www.johninmontana.com/photo_gallery/cell-frys-phoenix.jpg
2015-04-29 19:57 <diva> the mantis bot is missing...
2015-04-29 19:58 <dahlia> I see osmantis in the nick list
2015-04-29 19:59 <diva> dahlia, misterblue do you have any experience with Stop Wacthes vs tick counts?
2015-04-29 19:59 <diva> am I worrying over nothing?
2015-04-29 19:59 <dahlia> diva: all I know is stopwatch is the microsoft recommendation for accuracy and precision
2015-04-29 20:00 <nebadon> i gave him a kick
2015-04-29 20:00 <nebadon> should come back in a minute
2015-04-29 20:00 <dahlia> however depending on hardware platform, it can be pretty inaccurate
2015-04-29 20:00 <dahlia> 
ACTION just uses https://www.jetbrains.com/profiler/

2015-04-29 20:00 <Plugh> Fry's made me thing of a UK company
2015-04-29 20:00 <diva> but it's also more overhead. It's in the diagnostics library
2015-04-29 20:00 <Plugh> s/thing/think/
2015-04-29 20:01 <dahlia> diva: I think it pretty much just reads some hardware register
2015-04-29 20:01 <osmantis> Bug #5798:04 Caught exception while processing OpenMetaverse.Packets.RemoveInventoryItemPacket 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5798 ): has been CLOSED
2015-04-29 20:01 <dahlia> (assuming the platform has that register)
2015-04-29 20:01 <nebadon> ok its working :)
2015-04-29 20:02 <diva> it is documented as having more overhead, and the overhead is measurable. The question is whether it's worth worrying about it or not
2015-04-29 20:02 <dahlia> oh
2015-04-29 20:02 <diva> why does opensim use tick count instead of stop watch?
2015-04-29 20:02 <dahlia> I havent seen anything about that before
2015-04-29 20:02 <dahlia> dunno
2015-04-29 20:02 <dahlia> tick count can be pretty bad too
2015-04-29 20:02 <nebadon> maybe it wasnt right in mono at the time
2015-04-29 20:02 <nebadon> that tends to have driven a lot of past choices
2015-04-29 20:03 <dahlia> in that code I had which checks position vs velocity and time that filters packets, I assumed a 5ms worse case jitter in the time measurement
2015-04-29 20:03 <dahlia> which I came up with after googling around 
2015-04-29 20:03 <dahlia> but I dont think i could retrace all that 
2015-04-29 20:03 <diva> with what measure dahlia?
2015-04-29 20:04 <diva> stop watches?
2015-04-29 20:04 <dahlia> cant remember, would have to lool
2015-04-29 20:04 <dahlia> look
2015-04-29 20:04 <dahlia> probably datetime.something
2015-04-29 20:04 <diva> stop watches are very precise, much more than tick counts / datetime
2015-04-29 20:05 <dahlia> the problem was that opensim could be running on anything from a high end server to a virtual machine instance running on a raspberry pi
2015-04-29 20:05 <dahlia> so time measurement is no way guaranteed
2015-04-29 20:05 <dahlia> but still the function had to work
2015-04-29 20:05 <diva> but they're more overhead too. Since opensim has been using tick counts, I have some reservations about introducing stop watches, at least not without getting to the bottom of it with others who may have experience
2015-04-29 20:06 <diva> maybe misterblue knows
2015-04-29 20:06 <diva> he's using tick counts in bullet sim too
2015-04-29 20:06 <diva> the whole opensim code base uses tick counts
2015-04-29 20:06 <dahlia> ok well I'm not familiar with the overhead. I was under the impression that stopwatch used hardware features designed for such use
2015-04-29 20:06 <diva> so I wonder if that's an historical accident or on purpose
2015-04-29 20:07 <dahlia> I just use https://www.jetbrains.com/profiler/ :)
2015-04-29 20:09 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-29 20:10 <dahlia> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/243351/environment-tickcount-vs-datetime-now
2015-04-29 20:10 <dahlia> some info there, but stackoverflow has a lot of junk answers IMHO
2015-04-29 20:10 <diva> yes, the second answer is actually the best
2015-04-29 20:11 <dahlia> my understanding is the overhead is probably pretty low if it doesnt cause a cache miss
2015-04-29 20:11 <diva> well I can measure it
2015-04-29 20:12 <dahlia> but I hear cache misses can eat up 500-1000 cpu cycles
2015-04-29 20:12 <diva> it's more overhead than tick count by about 1  ms
2015-04-29 20:12 <dahlia> some AMD engineer told me that
2015-04-29 20:13 <dahlia> 1 ms is quite significant
2015-04-29 20:13 <diva> yes, especially in the update loop..
2015-04-29 20:13 <diva> which is where the moses patch uses them
2015-04-29 20:13 <dahlia> that seems quite unreasonably high
2015-04-29 20:14 <diva> dahlia there's a bunch of test code here: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540
2015-04-29 20:14 <diva> see what numbers you get
2015-04-29 20:18 <dahlia> Elapsed: 15
2015-04-29 20:18 <dahlia> from the first one
2015-04-29 20:19 <dahlia> 24 from the second
2015-04-29 20:19 <dahlia> n=1 for each of them ;)
2015-04-29 20:20 <dahlia> oh wait
2015-04-29 20:21 <dahlia> diva: looks like you pasted the same code twice?
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2015-04-29 20:23 <dahlia> ok the 3 watch example gives me Elapsed: 9355
2015-04-29 20:24 <dahlia> ya that is really slow
2015-04-29 20:24 <dahlia> wow
2015-04-29 20:25 <dahlia> ok I ran in release mode and it's a lot faster
2015-04-29 20:25 <diva> oh?
2015-04-29 20:25 <dahlia> Elapsed: 3425
2015-04-29 20:26 <diva> oh great!
2015-04-29 20:26 <dahlia> still very slow 
2015-04-29 20:26 <diva> I see an improvement too
2015-04-29 20:26 <diva> but still stop watches are slower than tick counts
2015-04-29 20:26 <dahlia> ya but what of accuracy?
2015-04-29 20:26 <nebadon> yea isnt stopwatch like 1000 times more accurate
2015-04-29 20:27 <dahlia> supposedly its the most accurate in the .net api
2015-04-29 20:27 <diva> yes stop watch has an accuracy of 1 ms, tick counts of about 15 ms
2015-04-29 20:27 <dahlia> you mean microseconds?
2015-04-29 20:27 <diva> millois
2015-04-29 20:28 <diva> millis
2015-04-29 20:28 <dahlia> thats horrible
2015-04-29 20:28 <dahlia> thats unusable
2015-04-29 20:28 <dahlia> pffft
2015-04-29 20:28 <diva> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms724408.aspx
2015-04-29 20:29 <dahlia> oh well not sure its the same as the win32 api
2015-04-29 20:30 <dahlia> time is such a PITA. I run into this when trying to do animation
2015-04-29 20:30 <dahlia> I usually get something that doesnt look to bad by using gettimeofday()
2015-04-29 20:31 <diva> time is a PUTA indeed! I hate getting old :D
2015-04-29 20:31 <diva> PITA even
2015-04-29 20:31 <dahlia> lol
2015-04-29 20:33 <dahlia> I guess according to that msdn article GetTickCount() has 1 ms precision, but doesnt say anything about accuracy
2015-04-29 20:35 <diva> dahlia, I never noticed the Release vs Debug thing... I have been making releases of Ds in Debug mode...
2015-04-29 20:35 <diva> duh
2015-04-29 20:35 <dahlia> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms644904.aspx
2015-04-29 20:35 <diva> D2
2015-04-29 20:35 <dahlia> diva: it's especially bad in c++
2015-04-29 20:36 <dahlia> windows STL adds a ton of debug code to STL collections in debug mode
2015-04-29 20:36 <diva> the difference in performance of these test samples are really huge!
2015-04-29 20:36 <dahlia> ya
2015-04-29 20:36 <diva> I hope justin does the right thing for the official releases
2015-04-29 20:36 <diva> I certainly have not been doing the right thing
2015-04-29 20:36 <diva> I will from here on
2015-04-29 20:37 <BlueWall> ++
2015-04-29 20:37 <dahlia> I think prebuild makes a release mode .sln?
2015-04-29 20:37 <BlueWall> yes
2015-04-29 20:37 <BlueWall> 2 in 1
2015-04-29 20:37 <diva> if it does I never noticed it!
2015-04-29 20:38 <BlueWall> xbuild /p:Configuration=Release OpenSim.sln
2015-04-29 20:38 <BlueWall> msbuild should be the same
2015-04-29 20:39 <BlueWall> in IDE you can have it build either debug or release
2015-04-29 20:42 <smxy> So I've been artificially slowing down my grid for years with debug releases? I thought they simply reported more on errors.
2015-04-29 20:42 <nebadon> i doubt you would notice much difference
2015-04-29 20:42 <BlueWall> if you are running a purly test grid it would be good to do that
2015-04-29 20:43 <nebadon> even OSCC we ran in debug
2015-04-29 20:43 <dahlia> oh well the opensim IDE I have open says debug, so maybe prebuild sets it up that way
2015-04-29 20:43 <BlueWall> that is default
2015-04-29 20:44 <BlueWall> could be changed in prebuild.xml
2015-04-29 20:44 <nebadon> maybe we should have 2 versions of runprebuild
2015-04-29 20:44 <nebadon> add a runprebuild_release
2015-04-29 20:45 <BlueWall> I would have to see if it can handle a switch on the command line
2015-04-29 20:45 <BlueWall> if not, could just add one.
2015-04-29 20:45 <BlueWall> I guess we own that now anyway since the original developers are awol
2015-04-29 20:46 <dahlia> I try xbuild /p:Configuration=Release OpenSim.sln and get a bunch of errors
2015-04-29 20:47 <BlueWall> hmmm
2015-04-29 20:47 <dahlia> but just xbuild works fine
2015-04-29 20:49 <H-H-H> i build on linux all the time and im pretty sure xbuild generates a debug sln as thats what monodevelop says as i always have to manually switch it to release before i build
2015-04-29 20:49 <BlueWall> yes, prebuild has debug as the active one
2015-04-29 20:49 <BlueWall> dahlia - it worked ok here .
2015-04-29 20:49 <dahlia> well nobody knows what the performance penalty is, if any
2015-04-29 20:49 <nebadon> i got errors too
2015-04-29 20:50 <BlueWall> I did xbuild /t:clean ; ./runprebuild.sh autoclean ; ./runprebuild.sh vs2010 ; xbuild /p:Configuration=Release
2015-04-29 20:50 <nebadon> let me try the clean
2015-04-29 20:50 <nebadon> maybe thats the problem
2015-04-29 20:50 <nebadon> since i already built it once normal way
2015-04-29 20:51 <dahlia> ok that seems to be working
2015-04-29 20:51 <nebadon> yea same here
2015-04-29 20:51 <nebadon> working now
2015-04-29 20:54 <dahlia> my c# raytracer is 17.9 seconds in release mode vs 30.7 in debug
2015-04-29 20:54 <dahlia> thats like 2x-ish
2015-04-29 20:54 <diva> yeah, this makes a huge difference!
2015-04-29 20:55 <BlueWall> yeah, it's good to use clean on xbuild and runprebuild.sh. And every now & then you might need to rm -R ./bin and git checkout bin
2015-04-29 20:55 <nebadon> what is the downside of release?
2015-04-29 20:55 <nebadon> does it not report bugs properly?
2015-04-29 20:55 <dahlia> no debug symbols maybe?
2015-04-29 20:55 <nebadon> no dumps or whatever?
2015-04-29 20:56 <BlueWall> it doens't build the mdb files
2015-04-29 20:56 <BlueWall> so you will not have line number reporting in the stack traces, etc.
2015-04-29 20:56 <dahlia> maybe debug only runs slower when run in the ide?
2015-04-29 20:56 <nebadon> or with the --debug switch
2015-04-29 20:56 <BlueWall> in the ide, it would be looking for breakpoints and watched variables, etc.
2015-04-29 20:57 <BlueWall> might put some measurements in the code and have it use Justin's WriteLine debugger :)
2015-04-29 20:58 <dahlia> Console.WriteLine() FTW
2015-04-29 20:58 <BlueWall> hehe
2015-04-29 20:59 <dahlia> ok, well the debug version of the ray tracer definately runs a lot faster from the console than from the ide
2015-04-29 20:59 <nebadon> im trying this release mode on OKC Tower
2015-04-29 20:59 <nebadon> that region uses 22% of a single core sitting idle
2015-04-29 20:59 <nebadon> want to see if that changes at all in release mode
2015-04-29 21:00 <nebadon> most of my other regions barely register any cpu use when idle
2015-04-29 21:00 <dahlia> and mono debug mode likely a lot different than m$oft
2015-04-29 21:01 <nebadon> well damn
2015-04-29 21:01 <nebadon> it starts up about 10 times faster
2015-04-29 21:01 <nebadon> sheesh
2015-04-29 21:01 <BlueWall> haha
2015-04-29 21:01 <nebadon> didnt expecthat
2015-04-29 21:01 <nebadon> there was literally no delay on startup at all
2015-04-29 21:02 <nebadon> well its using 20% instead of 22%
2015-04-29 21:02 <dahlia> noise
2015-04-29 21:02 <nebadon> actually its bouncing between 18-20%
2015-04-29 21:02 <nebadon> normally its like pinned at 22%
2015-04-29 21:02 <nebadon> until i log in
2015-04-29 21:03 <BlueWall> try your physics arena with release
2015-04-29 21:03 <nebadon> yea
2015-04-29 21:03 <diva> see dahlia, how a random sequence of events is going to make opensims run much smoothly everywhere? :D
2015-04-29 21:03 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-29 21:03 <dahlia> lol hopefully
2015-04-29 21:03 <BlueWall> hehe
2015-04-29 21:04 <dahlia> all my nagging on the mailing list was a good thing :D
2015-04-29 21:04 <diva> I swear to god, I never paid attention! But this simple performance test and your reference of Release changed everything!
2015-04-29 21:05 <dahlia> oh I found out the hard way coding opengl stuff. There's no room for overhead ther
2015-04-29 21:05 <dahlia> *there
2015-04-29 21:05 <nebadon> chaos theory :)
2015-04-29 21:07 <dahlia> I'd bring up the stopwatch thing in ##csharp but I don't want to get into some huge conversation there (like what usually happens when I ask something)
2015-04-29 21:07 <dahlia> someone else can :)
2015-04-29 21:10 <diva> what's ##csharp? is that a channel?
2015-04-29 21:10 <dahlia> a
2015-04-29 21:10 <dahlia> ya
2015-04-29 21:12 <diva> so how do you do it in linux to build in release mode?
2015-04-29 21:13 <BlueWall> I did xbuild /t:clean ; ./runprebuild.sh autoclean ; ./runprebuild.sh vs2010 ; xbuild /p:Configuration=Release
2015-04-29 21:13 <BlueWall> xbuild /p:Configuration=Release
2015-04-29 21:13 <diva> thanks
2015-04-29 21:13 <BlueWall> yw
2015-04-29 21:13 <diva> I wonder how many more avies we'll be able to serv in OSCC! :D
2015-04-29 21:14 <dahlia> I'd hope the change would be small, considering no IDE is running a debugger
2015-04-29 21:15 <nebadon> ya I can tell you right now
2015-04-29 21:15 <dahlia> I wonder what the fast timers in the viewer use
2015-04-29 21:15 <nebadon> im doing physics test ball drops in release mode
2015-04-29 21:15 <nebadon> with bulletsim in the main scene thread
2015-04-29 21:15 <nebadon> not on its own thread
2015-04-29 21:16 <nebadon> there is no change 
2015-04-29 21:16 <nebadon> about 1200 balls in
2015-04-29 21:16 <nebadon> and cpu is maxed out
2015-04-29 21:16 <dahlia> I hope bulletsim is built in release mode
2015-04-29 21:16 <nebadon> hmm good question
2015-04-29 21:16 <dahlia> the bullet libs
2015-04-29 21:16 <nebadon> misterblue would know
2015-04-29 21:16 <dahlia> especially in windows
2015-04-29 21:16 <Ken_S> I've always used release builds running under windows.
2015-04-29 21:16 <Ken_S> Maybe that's how I can run so many sims on 1 server.
2015-04-29 21:16 <dahlia> I switch around
2015-04-29 21:17 <nebadon> its interesting, when bulletsim is not in its own thread
2015-04-29 21:17 <dahlia> lol my poor server is running >50 instances and has lot of free memory and cpu left
2015-04-29 21:17 <nebadon> everything peaks out around 1200 spheres
2015-04-29 21:17 <nebadon> cpu pegs at 120%
2015-04-29 21:17 <nebadon> and even at 10000 spheres
2015-04-29 21:17 <nebadon> the cpu is pegged at 120%
2015-04-29 21:18 <nebadon> but the fps drops by about 50-75%
2015-04-29 21:18 <nebadon> between 1200 and 10000
2015-04-29 21:18 <nebadon> when bulletsim is in its own thread
2015-04-29 21:18 <nebadon> the cpu can go as high as 400%+
2015-04-29 21:18 <nebadon> at 10000 spheres
2015-04-29 21:18 <nebadon> considering bulletsim is single thread
2015-04-29 21:18 <nebadon> why does running it in its own thread allow mono to exceed 200% 
2015-04-29 21:19 <nebadon> technically it shouldnt really
2015-04-29 21:19 <diva> it's another thread!
2015-04-29 21:19 <nebadon> seems like a strange occurance
2015-04-29 21:19 <dahlia> its probably accounted for at the top level process
2015-04-29 21:19 <nebadon> yes but it should still not be able to consume more than 1 cpu thread
2015-04-29 21:19 <diva> it runs concurrently to the update loop
2015-04-29 21:19 <nebadon> its just odd that opensim maxes out at 120% when its combined
2015-04-29 21:19 <diva> when they're merged, the update code and the physics simulation code run sequentially
2015-04-29 21:19 <nebadon> but can hit 400%+ when its not
2015-04-29 21:20 <nebadon> ah
2015-04-29 21:20 <diva> that makes sense
2015-04-29 21:20 <nebadon> so physics holds main scene back?
2015-04-29 21:20 <nebadon> because the single thread 
2015-04-29 21:20 <dahlia> yes
2015-04-29 21:20 <diva> yes, when they are on the same thread
2015-04-29 21:20 <nebadon> ok
2015-04-29 21:20 <diva> there's no "main scene" really; there's the update clients loop
2015-04-29 21:20 <nebadon> well in terms of physics load, release mode offers no benefit
2015-04-29 21:21 <diva> that loop goes through the state of the scene and decides what packets need to be sent to whom
2015-04-29 21:21 <nebadon> 2500 spheres and i hit 5fps on sim and physics
2015-04-29 21:21 <Plugh> bbl. I have to take some pictures to document something.
2015-04-29 21:21 <nebadon> kk Plugh
2015-04-29 21:22 <nebadon> we definitley need to get physics stats reporting correctly when its on its own thread
2015-04-29 21:23 <diva> yes
2015-04-29 21:23 <nebadon> not sure its possible, i kind of recall misterblue saying it wasnt for some reason
2015-04-29 21:23 <diva> after I apply the moses patch I will rewrite it so that it does that
2015-04-29 21:23 <nebadon> ok cool
2015-04-29 21:23 <diva> yes, it should be possible
2015-04-29 21:23 <nebadon> i cant recall exactly why he said he couldnt now
2015-04-29 21:24 <nebadon> maybe just meant more refactoring than he could handle at the time
2015-04-29 21:30 <dahlia> this probably wouldnt work on mono but looks kinda interesting http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/2635/High-Performance-Timer-in-C
2015-04-29 21:30 <dahlia> s/mono/non-windows
2015-04-29 21:40 <dahlia> similar but more in depth: http://www.nullskull.com/articles/20021111.asp
2015-04-29 21:48 <nebadon> anyway to test it quickly in mono?
2015-04-29 21:48 <nebadon> simple test case
2015-04-29 21:49 <dahlia> doubt it would work on non-windows
2015-04-29 21:49 <dahlia> since it uses Kernel.dll
2015-04-29 21:57 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t3dNIl0AeU
2015-04-29 21:58 <H-H-H> can anyone tell me how to reset my git tree? im sure it was git --reset --hard or something like
2015-04-29 21:59 <nebadon> yep
2015-04-29 21:59 <nebadon> might need to do > git clean -d -f
2015-04-29 21:59 <nebadon> then > git reset --hard
2015-04-29 21:59 <H-H-H> ahh ty neb
2015-04-29 22:00 <nebadon> if you want a specific hash you can do > git reset --hard <HASH>
2015-04-29 22:00 <Plugh> nebadon: Pictures taken. Assembly begins.
2015-04-29 22:00 <nebadon> nice
2015-04-29 22:02 <dahlia> sigh... I get rid of my tv and now they invent one that follows you around
2015-04-29 22:02 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-29 22:02 <dahlia> "there is no escape"
2015-04-29 22:03 <nebadon> just wait until the scuba mask version comes out
2015-04-29 22:03 <nebadon> so you can watch TV when your swimming in the pool to!
2015-04-29 22:03 <dahlia> OMG Sharks!
2015-04-29 22:03 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-29 22:03 <nebadon> shark week in the pool!
2015-04-29 22:03 <nebadon> grab your e-snorkel
2015-04-29 22:04 <nebadon> or iSnorkel for apple peeps
2015-04-29 22:11 <dahlia> diva: this post seems to agree with your observations about Stopwatch, but doesn't really go into detail http://www.dotnetperls.com/stopwatch
2015-04-29 22:12 <dahlia> recommends keeping it out of tight loops
2015-04-29 22:13 <diva> yep, that post was the one that made me go and measure it
2015-04-29 22:13 <dahlia> ah ok
2015-04-29 22:18 <diva> Melanie_T do you have an opinion about stop watch vs tick count?
2015-04-29 22:18 <Melanie_T> can you tell me what the difference in accuracy is?
2015-04-29 22:19 <diva> stop watch can be very precise in the order ot 1 ms; tick count has lower precision in the orderof 15 ms. But the former has more overhead. It's that overhead that I don't know what to do about
2015-04-29 22:20 <diva> in tests, a stop watch measurement can add 1ms per frame over tick counts in terms of overhead
2015-04-29 22:20 <diva> not sure if that's a concern
2015-04-29 22:20 <Melanie_T> it may be
2015-04-29 22:21 <Melanie_T> if an average is all that is needed, then maybe we should look away from measuring each loop
2015-04-29 22:21 <Melanie_T> e.g.
2015-04-29 22:21 <diva> true
2015-04-29 22:21 <Melanie_T> instead of cumulating time[0] .. time[10]
2015-04-29 22:21 <Melanie_T> we may want to save the tick count
2015-04-29 22:21 <Melanie_T> tick[0] … tick[10]
2015-04-29 22:22 <Melanie_T> although the tick count is less accurate individually
2015-04-29 22:22 <Melanie_T> it will average out over 10 samples
2015-04-29 22:22 <Melanie_T> so as to give an average that i would be surprised if it wasn't within 0.05%
2015-04-29 22:22 <Melanie_T> copared to the stopwatch method
2015-04-29 22:23 <diva> save the tick count in each frame? I thought you were going to say that we should just accumulate one of them over N frames and then average that
2015-04-29 22:23 <Melanie_T> well, then you wouldn't get a sliding average
2015-04-29 22:23 <Melanie_T> but a block average
2015-04-29 22:23 <Melanie_T> maybe that is enough
2015-04-29 22:23 <Melanie_T> but i prefer the sliding kind
2015-04-29 22:23 <Melanie_T> it's more responsive
2015-04-29 22:23 <Melanie_T> and tends to have great jumps only when there are great jumps
2015-04-29 22:23 <Melanie_T> while a block can be skewed by one extreme sample
2015-04-29 22:23 <diva> I see, so you would compensate for the lack of precision by averaging out
2015-04-29 22:23 <dahlia> oh visual studio community edition has a built in profiler o.0
2015-04-29 22:24 <Melanie_T> the precise measurements of the stopwatches are in the end only used for generating averages anyway
2015-04-29 22:25 <diva> true, at least for now
2015-04-29 22:25 <Melanie_T> the individual 11 values pe second are too transient to be directlly useful
2015-04-29 22:26 <Melanie_T> and, i believe, at that level, 1ms accuracy isn't that important even then since the frame time is in no way deterministic
2015-04-29 22:26 <diva> yeah
2015-04-29 22:26 <Melanie_T> so you have no way to see that the precise value is, say, 3ms too high for a particular frame
2015-04-29 22:26 <Melanie_T> as you never know how long a frame should be
2015-04-29 22:26 <Melanie_T> they're the same length on average
2015-04-29 22:26 <Melanie_T> but the devil is in the details
2015-04-29 22:27 <dahlia> TickCount supposedly has 16 ms accuracy
2015-04-29 22:29 <diva> Melanie is suggesting that sometimes it rounds up and sometimes it rounds down, so averaging over N samples should get us the right value
2015-04-29 22:30 <dahlia> ya but then you lose confidence
2015-04-29 22:30 <dahlia> or need a big N to get confidence
2015-04-29 22:30 <diva> I'm not sure we need that much confidance
2015-04-29 22:30 <Melanie_T> moses wants it
2015-04-29 22:30 <Melanie_T> but opensim doesn't need it
2015-04-29 22:30 <dahlia> 
ACTION would just use a good profiler

2015-04-29 22:31 <Melanie_T> maybe a proof of concept
2015-04-29 22:31 <Melanie_T> see how much the methods differ
2015-04-29 22:31 <Melanie_T> i believe it will be negligible
2015-04-29 22:31 <diva> should I just take their stop watches?
2015-04-29 22:31 <dahlia> there are ways to calculate confidence
2015-04-29 22:31 <Melanie_T> based on the inherently nondeterministig processing order
2015-04-29 22:31 <diva> their patches introduces 3 of them in the update loop
2015-04-29 22:32 <dahlia> the 11 Hz loop?
2015-04-29 22:33 <dahlia> part of the problem is nobody knows what this is running on, and good timers are very platform dependent
2015-04-29 22:33 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-04-29 22:33 <Melanie_T> that one
2015-04-29 22:33 <nebadon> I can tell you that moses grid runs on Linux
2015-04-29 22:33 <BlueWall> and I think in virtual machines?
2015-04-29 22:33 <nebadon> yea
2015-04-29 22:33 <dahlia> lol
2015-04-29 22:34 <dahlia> well then forget it :P
2015-04-29 22:34 <dahlia> virtual machines virtualize timebases even further
2015-04-29 22:34 <diva> Melanie_T was that a yes to my last question?
2015-04-29 22:34 <BlueWall> dahlia, run your test in a VirtualBox
2015-04-29 22:34 <dahlia> BlueWall: too much work
2015-04-29 22:34 <BlueWall> VirtualBox?
2015-04-29 22:35 <Melanie_T> i would prefer for us to generate some test data both ways
2015-04-29 22:35 <dahlia> I dont have a windows virtualbox machine
2015-04-29 22:35 <AllenKerensky> and it depends if the VM is using some sync driver specific to the VM, or if NTP is aggressively sitting on the clock
2015-04-29 22:35 <Melanie_T> i'd prefer to convince douglas rather than antagonizing him
2015-04-29 22:35 <BlueWall> Linux 
2015-04-29 22:35 <dahlia> has nothing to do with NTP
2015-04-29 22:35 <AllenKerensky> but most VMs can freeze in between ticks for things like vmotion or if they don't have QoS settings
2015-04-29 22:35 <dahlia> is all process time relative. Time of day has nothing to do with it
2015-04-29 22:35 <diva> yes, me too
2015-04-29 22:36 <diva> I was unsure of the consequences of placing stop watches on the update loop, hence my various tests
2015-04-29 22:36 <diva> Melanie_T see this: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540
2015-04-29 22:36 <diva> there's test code there
2015-04-29 22:36 <Melanie_T> i've been following it
2015-04-29 22:36 <Melanie_T> what i propose is to ADD tick count based code to the stopwatch code
2015-04-29 22:36 <diva> my conclusion is that stop watches add an extra 1ms per frame over tick counts. I'm not sure if we should worry about that or not
2015-04-29 22:37 <Melanie_T> two independent timing mechanisms
2015-04-29 22:37 <Melanie_T> and simply compare
2015-04-29 22:37 <diva> compare the precision?
2015-04-29 22:37 <dahlia> 1 ms every frame is roughly a 10% overhead
2015-04-29 22:37 <Melanie_T> throw out dviation max, average, etc
2015-04-29 22:37 <nebadon> i did some pretty hard core testing with the patch, and I couldnt notice any difference in my tests
2015-04-29 22:37 <AllenKerensky> but if you're in a VM and the hypervisor suspends and restarts - and you're detecting from within a VM inside the VM ... how do you detect the skip?
2015-04-29 22:38 <AllenKerensky> how do you detect it without NTP forcing an external time sync with a higher degree of accuracy than the base windows timer I mean
2015-04-29 22:38 <nebadon> only kind of testing I didnt really do is with large load of avatars
2015-04-29 22:39 <nebadon> scripting and physics did not seem to be effected by the patch
2015-04-29 22:39 <dahlia> AllenKerensky: syncing time with external source is irrevelant
2015-04-29 22:39 <AllenKerensky> okay fine never mind I will butt out
2015-04-29 22:39 <dahlia> its only amount of time passed, not whether it agrees with some standard time of day
2015-04-29 22:39 <Melanie_T> the stopwatch code will not begin to make a difference until there is no spare time per loop
2015-04-29 22:40 <Melanie_T> e.g. until the sim starts lagging
2015-04-29 22:40 <Melanie_T> it would then probably worsen the lag
2015-04-29 22:40 <nebadon> i had 10000 physical spheres
2015-04-29 22:40 <nebadon> i could try the klein bottle rezzer
2015-04-29 22:40 <nebadon> thats pretty nasty 
2015-04-29 22:40 <Melanie_T> maybe yes
2015-04-29 22:41 <diva> yeah
2015-04-29 22:44 <diva> maybe 1ms/frame doesn't make much difference. But I would be very relectant to start adding stopwatches all over critical paths in the code
2015-04-29 22:44 <nebadon> eh yea Klein bottle rezzer sucks under mono
2015-04-29 22:44 <nebadon> it died within like 60 seconds stopped working
2015-04-29 22:44 <Melanie_T> lolwut?
2015-04-29 22:44 <nebadon> we really need to fix xengine
2015-04-29 22:44 <Melanie_T> it runs to completion in avn
2015-04-29 22:44 <nebadon> its seriously not good
2015-04-29 22:44 <nebadon> ya you dont run stock xengine
2015-04-29 22:44 <nebadon> i dont think you realize how bad stock xengine is
2015-04-29 22:45 <nebadon> its really not good
2015-04-29 22:45 <Melanie_T> yes but yousaid "under mono"
2015-04-29 22:45 <nebadon> ya because it works fine in .net
2015-04-29 22:45 <nebadon> xnegine
2015-04-29 22:45 <nebadon> it runs like complete shit under mono
2015-04-29 22:45 <Melanie_T> really?
2015-04-29 22:45 <nebadon> yea
2015-04-29 22:45 <nebadon> its horrible
2015-04-29 22:45 <Melanie_T> hmm i wrote it under mono
2015-04-29 22:45 <Melanie_T> never did use windows
2015-04-29 22:45 <nebadon> timers and sleeps 
2015-04-29 22:45 <nebadon> horrible 
2015-04-29 22:45 <Melanie_T> well, sleeep is a nono
2015-04-29 22:45 <nebadon> shouldnt even try to use sleeps ever
2015-04-29 22:46 <nebadon> but this rezzer shouldnt have a sleep
2015-04-29 22:46 <Melanie_T> llSleep should be removed but of course that is impractical
2015-04-29 22:46 <nebadon> let me check
2015-04-29 22:46 <nebadon> yea no sleep
2015-04-29 22:46 <nebadon> I dont think ive ever had the klein bottle go 100% with stock xengine under mono
2015-04-29 22:46 <nebadon> in windows .net it almost never fails
2015-04-29 22:47 <Melanie_T> interesting
2015-04-29 22:47 <Melanie_T> app domains off i suppose?
2015-04-29 22:47 <nebadon> yes
2015-04-29 22:47 <nebadon> i could try it with it on
2015-04-29 22:47 <nebadon> but then i have other problems
2015-04-29 22:47 <nebadon> lots of crashing with appdomains = true
2015-04-29 22:47 <nebadon> somtimes region wont even start
2015-04-29 22:47 <Melanie_T> the ability to now have app domains was added later
2015-04-29 22:47 <Melanie_T> my original design always used them
2015-04-29 22:47 <Melanie_T> and quite wastefully
2015-04-29 22:48 <nebadon> Wright Plaza wont start at all
2015-04-29 22:48 <nebadon> it gets about 20% into loading scripts and stack traces
2015-04-29 22:48 <Melanie_T> ouch
2015-04-29 22:48 <Melanie_T> oom?
2015-04-29 22:48 <nebadon> i doubt it
2015-04-29 22:48 <nebadon> the box has 24gb ram and its 64bit
2015-04-29 22:48 <nebadon> ive seen WP use 8gb ram
2015-04-29 22:48 <nebadon> and not OOM
2015-04-29 22:48 <nebadon> with big crowds
2015-04-29 22:49 <nebadon> its threading
2015-04-29 22:49 <nebadon> be my guess
2015-04-29 22:49 <nebadon> I think that is why the klein bottle fails too
2015-04-29 22:49 <Melanie_T> if you give it more threads?
2015-04-29 22:49 <nebadon> xengine just exhausts all the threads
2015-04-29 22:49 <Melanie_T> less threads?
2015-04-29 22:49 <nebadon> it goes longer
2015-04-29 22:49 <nebadon> but eventually dies too
2015-04-29 22:50 <nebadon> you can never give it enough threads for it to complete rezzing
2015-04-29 22:50 <Melanie_T> does it freeze scrpting, freeze the sim or stackdump?
2015-04-29 22:50 <nebadon> it freezes scripting
2015-04-29 22:50 <nebadon> if stop it and start it again
2015-04-29 22:50 <Melanie_T> yes that's a deadlock then
2015-04-29 22:50 <nebadon> it repeats exactly the same every time
2015-04-29 22:50 <nebadon> always rezzes same amount of prims and fails
2015-04-29 22:51 <nebadon> 400 
2015-04-29 22:51 <nebadon> I think im running default # of threads her
2015-04-29 22:51 <nebadon> let me check
2015-04-29 22:51 <nebadon> ya it commented so defaults
2015-04-29 22:52 <nebadon> and what worries me
2015-04-29 22:52 <nebadon> MOSES grid is pursing this physics thing and saying that bulletsim is failing, but what they describe sounds exactly like the klein bottle fail
2015-04-29 22:53 <nebadon> which is an xengine problem
2015-04-29 22:53 <diva> I already told that to Doug
2015-04-29 22:53 <nebadon> cool
2015-04-29 22:54 <nebadon> I think fixing xengine would go so much further than a new physics engine would
2015-04-29 22:54 <diva> so Melanie_T if someone's going to write a scripting engine from scratch, what do you think would be the best language for it? bang for the buck? JavaScript? Python? Lua?
2015-04-29 22:54 <nebadon> especially considering he has already voiced concerns about wasted time due to wrong stats
2015-04-29 22:54 <nebadon> how much time could potentially be wasted on chasing physics
2015-04-29 22:55 <diva> nebadon there's nothing wrong with improving the physics stats reporting
2015-04-29 22:55 <nebadon> oh absolutely not
2015-04-29 22:55 <Melanie_T> diva: the basic premise of script state retention needs to be removed. lsl is based on it but LUA, for example, isn't
2015-04-29 22:55 <nebadon> i just mean a whole new engine all together
2015-04-29 22:55 <nebadon> its not a minor task
2015-04-29 22:55 <nebadon> and i dont think it will fix their problem
2015-04-29 22:55 <Melanie_T> in MMOs where LUA is in use, scripts reset when going from server to server
2015-04-29 22:55 <nebadon> thats all im saying 
2015-04-29 22:55 <nebadon> we should be fixing xengine first
2015-04-29 22:55 <Melanie_T> data storage is not in variables but in object properte
2015-04-29 22:55 <nebadon> then worry about better physics
2015-04-29 22:56 <Melanie_T> i don't know to what extent lua interpreters can be made to salami-slice
2015-04-29 22:56 <diva> is that inherent to Lua or to the way the game engines use it?
2015-04-29 22:56 <diva> I actually know the Lua guy
2015-04-29 22:57 <Melanie_T> diva: the way lsl uses persistent variables is extremely rare in pogramming in general
2015-04-29 22:57 <Melanie_T> pretty much every other language uses object based state storage
2015-04-29 22:57 <Melanie_T> and writes scripts so that they can reset gracefully
2015-04-29 22:58 <Melanie_T> retailing not every variable but only the ones needed
2015-04-29 22:58 <diva> but I'm thinking about getting rid of lsl altogether
2015-04-29 22:58 <Melanie_T> see above
2015-04-29 22:58 <diva> wif we do that what would be the best alternative for a scripting language?
2015-04-29 22:58 <Melanie_T> in order to do something new, the users need to understand that the concept of persistent variables will go away
2015-04-29 22:59 <Melanie_T> lua, js, tcl, all don't have it
2015-04-29 22:59 <Melanie_T> i don't have personal experience with lua but game dev types like it
2015-04-29 22:59 <Melanie_T> it's well suited so it's not a great stretch to go there
2015-04-29 23:00 <diva> you mean we can't persist the state of a script when we teleport if we go with Lua or the like?
2015-04-29 23:00 <BlueWall> does it have a good choice of libraries like python?
2015-04-29 23:01 <AllenKerensky> or just some protected C# sandbox with limited access rather than wide open... create some more C# coders?
2015-04-29 23:01 <nebadon> even still C# would create less coders over all
2015-04-29 23:02 <diva> C# is too complicated as a scripting language
2015-04-29 23:02 <nebadon> LSL is so easy
2015-04-29 23:02 <diva> Lua is very simple too
2015-04-29 23:02 <BlueWall> oes it have events and states?
2015-04-29 23:02 <nebadon> ive never looked at Lua
2015-04-29 23:03 <diva> BlueWall, no, it's more like JavaScript where you get called OnFrame and go from there
2015-04-29 23:04 <BlueWall> you know we used to have javascript as a lang.
2015-04-29 23:04 <diva> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8305248/lua-event-handler
2015-04-29 23:04 <Melanie_T> diva: no, state preservation is a LSL thing and it's one of the most difficult oes to do
2015-04-29 23:05 <diva> I can ask Roberto if he knows of games that do that with Lua
2015-04-29 23:06 <diva> but Melanie_T that doesn't seem to be a property of the language but of the embeding context
2015-04-29 23:06 <BlueWall> Would be interesting to see if they have users creating scripted content or if it is just the game developers that use it.
2015-04-29 23:07 <diva> BlueWall: Lua is used very widely, from game development to embedded systems. In game development, it is usually used by the game designers who aren't sftware engineers
2015-04-29 23:07 <Melanie_T> diva: the language needs to allow it and neither of the languages we touched on have the facility for it
2015-04-29 23:07 <BlueWall> I have run across it in Wireshark network monitor.
2015-04-29 23:08 <diva> Melanie_T with reflection all that seems possible
2015-04-29 23:08 <nebadon> is it being used in MMORPGs?
2015-04-29 23:08 <nebadon> or standalone games?
2015-04-29 23:08 <diva> both, neb
2015-04-29 23:08 <AllenKerensky> and is it used in MMO for players of the MMO to customize the behavior of their objects - or just by the pro build team behind the MMO?
2015-04-29 23:08 <nebadon> would it handle things like vehicles?
2015-04-29 23:09 <diva> neb yes
2015-04-29 23:09 <nebadon> or would we have to design new lua functions for that?
2015-04-29 23:09 <diva> well, we'd have to hook it up to the opensim api
2015-04-29 23:09 <nebadon> ya i asssume like OSSL we can create our own functions etc?
2015-04-29 23:09 <BlueWall> 100% new functions/api everywhere
2015-04-29 23:09 <diva> whatever opensim provides to lsl needs to be provided to any scripting language too
2015-04-29 23:09 <nebadon> and your saying it would run independant of xengine then?
2015-04-29 23:10 <nebadon> in the past mrm and C# and js all were inside xengine right?
2015-04-29 23:10 <BlueWall> I would like to see something somewhat multi-threaded or with asynchroneous capabilites
2015-04-29 23:10 <Melanie_T> diva: people who write lua are used to not having persistent state
2015-04-29 23:10 <BlueWall> https://github.com/fholm/IronJS
2015-04-29 23:10 <Melanie_T> so why introduce a complexity that isn't there now?
2015-04-29 23:10 <BlueWall> M$ removed javascript from .net is why we dropped it?
2015-04-29 23:10 <Melanie_T> portable state persistence is the hardest part of all
2015-04-29 23:11 <diva> Melanie_T I'm confused. Are you saying that persistent state is a good feature of LSL that can't be done in other languages or are you saying that persistent state is a bad feature of LSL that we don't need in other languages?
2015-04-29 23:11 <nebadon> wouldnt that make it difficult to drive vehicles over borders?
2015-04-29 23:11 <BlueWall> Melanie_T, are you talking about something like python pickle?
2015-04-29 23:11 <nebadon> how would that work?
2015-04-29 23:11 <Melanie_T> it's a bad feature the way it is done in lsl
2015-04-29 23:12 <Melanie_T> pickling, serializing or whatever a script isn't what LSL state persistence does
2015-04-29 23:12 <BlueWall> ahh, ok
2015-04-29 23:12 <Melanie_T> lsl state persistence is based on saving machine specific stack frames
2015-04-29 23:12 <BlueWall> ohh, ok
2015-04-29 23:12 <Melanie_T> to preserve call stack and local stack frames of functions in mid-run
2015-04-29 23:12 <diva> eeewwww!
2015-04-29 23:12 <diva> serioulsy?
2015-04-29 23:13 <BlueWall> ahhh, so it can just "pop" the stack in the next region
2015-04-29 23:13 <Melanie_T> that is not even portable between snapshots on 32 bit vs 64 bit boxen
2015-04-29 23:13 <Melanie_T> much less other aritectures like arm
2015-04-29 23:13 <Melanie_T> xmengine gets only close
2015-04-29 23:13 <Melanie_T> it waits until no event is executing
2015-04-29 23:13 <Melanie_T> then reflects on the globals
2015-04-29 23:13 <Melanie_T> which is like pickle
2015-04-29 23:14 <diva> anyway do you think Lua would be better than JS?
2015-04-29 23:14 <dahlia> ewwww js
2015-04-29 23:14 <Melanie_T> i can't say, it's a matter of preference
2015-04-29 23:14 <dahlia> 
ACTION cringes

2015-04-29 23:14 <nebadon> and there would be a new Lua engine?
2015-04-29 23:14 <diva> if we are going to have JS-based viewers would it make sense to invest in JS as the scriting language in both sides?
2015-04-29 23:14 <Melanie_T> but i have not found a javascript engine that has hooks for microthreading
2015-04-29 23:14 <BlueWall> js is supposed to be the most used language in the world, right?
2015-04-29 23:14 <nebadon> it wouldnt be inside of xengine?
2015-04-29 23:14 <dahlia> ewww
2015-04-29 23:14 <Melanie_T> they all wnt a system thread per script
2015-04-29 23:14 <BlueWall> ++microthreading
2015-04-29 23:14 <dahlia> js is horrid
2015-04-29 23:14 <diva> (I hate js too)
2015-04-29 23:15 <AllenKerensky> just because its used, don't make it right...
2015-04-29 23:15 <dahlia> only thing good about js is sandboxing
2015-04-29 23:15 <nebadon> yea the js stuff with webgl doesnt seem so great
2015-04-29 23:15 <AllenKerensky> ",,," = new Array(); // lolwut?
2015-04-29 23:15 <BlueWall> haha
2015-04-29 23:15 <Melanie_T> js is a strange little language with thing like this having different meanings depending on context
2015-04-29 23:15 <Melanie_T> yet you can't know your context at run time
2015-04-29 23:15 <BlueWall> use COBOL FTW!
2015-04-29 23:15 <dahlia> PROCEDURE DIVISION.
2015-04-29 23:16 <AllenKerensky> and I thought Java lack of unsigned types was bad, at least it HAS ints...
2015-04-29 23:16 <dahlia> STOP RUN.
2015-04-29 23:16 <nebadon> think of all the punch card readers we could sell!
2015-04-29 23:16 <BlueWall> haha
2015-04-29 23:16 <AllenKerensky> Fortran and Lisp please.
2015-04-29 23:16 <BlueWall> diva - we will keep lsl/ossl, right?
2015-04-29 23:16 <diva> I'm just asking about the pragmatics of lanhguage selection based on the enbeding contexts... on the server side we can have anything, really, but it might be nice to tpvode a unified scripting environment that does both client-side and server-side functions
2015-04-29 23:17 <diva> BlueWall in software nothing ever dies if ppl want to keep it alive! :)
2015-04-29 23:17 <BlueWall> hmmm
2015-04-29 23:17 <AllenKerensky> yeah scripting language changes do impact viewers too... no LSL - how are folks going to edit...
2015-04-29 23:17 <dahlia> OMG-I-JUST-ADVERTISED-THAT-I-KNOW-COBOL
2015-04-29 23:17 <dahlia> 
ACTION runs

2015-04-29 23:17 <BlueWall> :)
2015-04-29 23:17 <Melanie_T> diva: opensim isn't really suited to anything that needs a system thread per script
2015-04-29 23:17 <AllenKerensky> no one was looking Dahlia - the cobol glazed over everyone's eyes
2015-04-29 23:17 <Melanie_T> BUT
2015-04-29 23:17 <dahlia> :D
2015-04-29 23:17 <Melanie_T> javascript is different in tha it has no sleep
2015-04-29 23:18 <Melanie_T> but only setTimer
2015-04-29 23:18 <dahlia> one thing good about cobol, its damn fast
2015-04-29 23:18 <diva> right
2015-04-29 23:18 <Melanie_T> but people can still create endless loops
2015-04-29 23:18 <dahlia> c fast
2015-04-29 23:18 <Melanie_T> let's use intercal
2015-04-29 23:18 <AllenKerensky> lol Melanie
2015-04-29 23:18 <AllenKerensky> PLEASE set my variable!
2015-04-29 23:18 <dahlia> 
ACTION suggests using bf

2015-04-29 23:18 <Melanie_T> <<<+>>>>+<<<<->>>>>-
2015-04-29 23:19 <AllenKerensky> lol Dahlia
2015-04-29 23:19 <AllenKerensky> someone needs to suggest a forth interpreter now to complete the triumvirate...
2015-04-29 23:20 <AllenKerensky> emit prim
2015-04-29 23:20 <dahlia> forth is at least usable
2015-04-29 23:20 <Melanie_T> let's write orthogonal scripts with prims as positions
2015-04-29 23:20 <nebadon> pascal?
2015-04-29 23:20 <BlueWall> diva, is the server side scripting for the Onlook viewer?
2015-04-29 23:20 <AllenKerensky> by Leo Brodie, one ex Sun firmware coder, and the guy trying to make a PC one out of Apples...
2015-04-29 23:20 <dahlia> angelscript might actually be a reasonable choice
2015-04-29 23:21 <dahlia> cept its native
2015-04-29 23:21 <diva> BlueWall no, not specifically
2015-04-29 23:21 <BlueWall> are you talking about something like Mic Bowman's Dispatcher?
2015-04-29 23:21 <dahlia> would take a bit of work to map in the API to angelscript
2015-04-29 23:21 <diva> I'm talking about the possibility of writing something else completely different from LSL/XEngine, from scrathch
2015-04-29 23:21 <diva> something that has sane data structures
2015-04-29 23:21 <diva> and decent libraries
2015-04-29 23:21 <dahlia> angelscript :)
2015-04-29 23:22 <BlueWall> ok, so working off a clean slate, we would be bnound by no rules and could take it wherever we need.
2015-04-29 23:22 <diva> and, potentially, could also be used for client-side scripting
2015-04-29 23:22 <diva> yes
2015-04-29 23:22 <BlueWall> I like python :)
2015-04-29 23:22 <diva> I love python too
2015-04-29 23:22 <BlueWall> but, maybe that's not the best choice.
2015-04-29 23:22 <diva> Lua feels like Python a lot
2015-04-29 23:23 <BlueWall> there is stateless python with continuations
2015-04-29 23:23 <dahlia> I think angelscript can even have cross platform binaries and serializations
2015-04-29 23:23 <dahlia> cept maybe 32 to 64 bit might need some work
2015-04-29 23:23 <dahlia> and its sandboxed
2015-04-29 23:24 <BlueWall> correction: stackless python
2015-04-29 23:24 <dahlia> and it's pretty fast
2015-04-29 23:25 <Melanie_T> angelscript looks like a winner
2015-04-29 23:25 <nebadon> if we are considering a new scripting engine
2015-04-29 23:25 <Melanie_T> it has support for cooperative multitasking and coroutines
2015-04-29 23:25 <dahlia> def worth looking into
2015-04-29 23:25 <BeyBar> 
ACTION suggests F#, just to look smart

2015-04-29 23:25 <nebadon> could we consider making it so it could be ran in a seperate simulator process?
2015-04-29 23:25 <Melanie_T> so a simple preprocessor could be used to inject yield calls
2015-04-29 23:25 <BlueWall> run on the cloud
2015-04-29 23:26 <nebadon> perhaps even have several simulators share the same scripting process
2015-04-29 23:26 <nebadon> like of like robust modules
2015-04-29 23:26 <nebadon> or whatever
2015-04-29 23:26 <dahlia> ya could just abstract LSL_API to work across a socket
2015-04-29 23:26 <AllenKerensky> heh... this is sounding like building an LPmud style compiler/interpreter into OpenSim
2015-04-29 23:27 <BlueWall> run on openstack
2015-04-29 23:28 <diva> AngelScript is really interesting
2015-04-29 23:28 <AllenKerensky> there's someone already built a docker image for opensim which you could run on openstack
2015-04-29 23:28 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-04-29 23:28 <Melanie_T> worth a very close look
2015-04-29 23:28 <nebadon> I think SL does something like that
2015-04-29 23:28 <diva> yes
2015-04-29 23:28 <nebadon> they dont run script engine in the main simulator I dont think
2015-04-29 23:28 <Melanie_T> sl runs the engine in-process
2015-04-29 23:28 <Melanie_T> but uses compile farms
2015-04-29 23:29 <BlueWall> dont' they inject the script into a running process and give it time slices?
2015-04-29 23:29 <nebadon> where all the electric sheepz graze
2015-04-29 23:30 <Melanie_T> more or less, BlueWall 
2015-04-29 23:30 <Melanie_T> they use a heap of delegates and switch them around
2015-04-29 23:31 <diva> wouldn't it be better to run the scripting engine outside the simulator, on a separate process?
2015-04-29 23:31 <Melanie_T> no
2015-04-29 23:31 <diva> local sockets should be fast enough t transfer data
2015-04-29 23:32 <Melanie_T> too many thing people do, like ther damned fast timer, or physics event response, are just too slow across such protocols
2015-04-29 23:32 <Melanie_T> that allows no parallelism
2015-04-29 23:33 <BlueWall> http://www.angelcode.com/angelscript/sdk/docs/manual/doc_samples_concurrent.html
2015-04-29 23:34 <diva> co-routines are definitely a good thing
2015-04-29 23:34 <diva> for the kinds of thngs we have at hand
2015-04-29 23:35 <AllenKerensky> this isn't sounding like a scripting language for people to make their hair color change on chat command...
2015-04-29 23:36 <diva> co-routines wuld be used by us, the engine implementers, not by people
2015-04-29 23:36 <diva> as Melanie_T said, a preprocessor could inject yields
2015-04-29 23:36 <Melanie_T> basically
2015-04-29 23:36 <AllenKerensky> I thought the angel code was allowing for them - i.e. they're also allowed in the end-user scripting ...
2015-04-29 23:36 <Melanie_T> a master script in agelscript would run on the "metal"
2015-04-29 23:37 <Melanie_T> we accept scripts from the user
2015-04-29 23:37 <diva> yes it does but I don't think people who want to change hair color would know what to do with it
2015-04-29 23:37 <Melanie_T> parse them to an ast using a bnf grammar
2015-04-29 23:37 <Melanie_T> remove calls to coroutine/threading functions
2015-04-29 23:37 <Melanie_T> inject yield() after every loop head and at the top of every event or local function
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2015-04-29 23:38 <Melanie_T> and then give that script to the master script to run as a coroutine
2015-04-29 23:38 <Melanie_T> and "doctor" the sleep function to simply suspend that script on the run queue
2015-04-29 23:38 <Melanie_T> rather than to sleep the thread
2015-04-29 23:39 <Melanie_T> parsing to AST will allow us to filter out potentially dangerous things
2015-04-29 23:39 <Melanie_T> like local filesystem access
2015-04-29 23:39 <diva> oh Lua also has co-routines
2015-04-29 23:39 <diva> http://www.lua.org/pil/9.1.html
2015-04-29 23:39 <Melanie_T> well, we need to make sure we don't expose that to usrs either in lua or angel
2015-04-29 23:40 <Melanie_T> or they will overload a sim in no time
2015-04-29 23:40 <Melanie_T> like "oh, no microsecond timers? fine, i just run 1000 coroutines on 1s timers"
2015-04-29 23:41 <diva> hehe
2015-04-29 23:41 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-29 23:44 <diva> ah!
2015-04-29 23:44 <diva> ECMAScript 6 introduced coroutines too!
2015-04-29 23:45 <diva> http://syzygy.st/javascript-coroutines/
2015-04-29 23:45 <diva> do I see a trend here...?
2015-04-29 23:45 <nebadon> if you can't beat em, join em!
2015-04-29 23:45 <nebadon> lol
2015-04-29 23:46 <diva> omg, JS is such a high-entropy  language... 
2015-04-29 23:46 <dahlia> ewww js :P
2015-04-29 23:46 <diva> look at what they do with coroutines there, that's insane
2015-04-29 23:47 <dahlia> JS isnt preemptive tho I dont think
2015-04-29 23:47 <diva> its not threas, it's coroutines
2015-04-29 23:47 <dahlia> is all event driven
2015-04-29 23:47 <diva> *threads
2015-04-29 23:47 <diva> coroutines need to yield voluntarily
2015-04-29 23:47 <dahlia> well there are "webworkers"
2015-04-29 23:48 <dahlia> but probably need preemtive for a new script language for opensim I'd think
2015-04-29 23:48 <dahlia> its been missing for a long time
2015-04-29 23:49 <diva> I don't think we need preemptive
2015-04-29 23:50 <dahlia> it would help
2015-04-29 23:50 <dahlia> SL has it :)
2015-04-29 23:50 <dahlia> 
ACTION ducks

2015-04-29 23:50 <diva> we just need a preprocessor to inject yields in strategic places of people's scripts
2015-04-29 23:50 <diva> I think SL does it like that -- preprocessor
2015-04-29 23:50 <dahlia> I think the first script engine in SL was preemptive
2015-04-29 23:51 <dahlia> the yield thing happened with mono scripting
2015-04-29 23:51 <dahlia> but not a preprocessor,
2015-04-29 23:51 <dahlia> it injects in CLI
2015-04-29 23:51 <dahlia> as far as I know
2015-04-29 23:51 <diva> same
2015-04-29 23:51 <diva> preprocessor on CLI
2015-04-29 23:51 <dahlia> ya
2015-04-29 23:51 <diva> probably easier
2015-04-29 23:51 <dahlia> dunno
2015-04-29 23:51 <BlueWall> yes, sometimes events are really slow to fire on our engine.
2015-04-29 23:51 <diva> bytecodes are much more regular than source code
2015-04-29 23:52 <dahlia> problem with our engine is endless loops
2015-04-29 23:52 <diva> XEngine has many problems, and that's the least of it.....
2015-04-29 23:52 <dahlia> well it got us this far
2015-04-29 23:52 <diva> lsl sucks
2015-04-29 23:52 <BlueWall> well, diva, it was a little scary when you said "write a new script engine" but I kind of like the idea now :)
2015-04-29 23:52 <dahlia> lsl and js both suck
2015-04-29 23:53 <diva> it's amazing how people can adapt to pain so easily and compliantly
2015-04-29 23:53 <BlueWall> haha
2015-04-29 23:53 <diva> everyone's Melanie's slaves
2015-04-29 23:53 <dahlia> I dont konw how much time Ive wasted chasing stupid js things
2015-04-29 23:53 <dahlia> months
2015-04-29 23:53 <AllenKerensky> ... so... BASIC for OpenSim?
2015-04-29 23:53 <diva> js sucks too
2015-04-29 23:53 <dahlia> seriously
2015-04-29 23:53 <BlueWall> it wouldn't be bad to get lsl to work right, but a new language could be fun too.
2015-04-29 23:54 <diva> so I'm hot for Lua or AngelScript
2015-04-29 23:54 <AllenKerensky> POKE 54342,23: REM SET PRIM COLOR TO 23
2015-04-29 23:54 <diva> anything that gives us decent data structures
2015-04-29 23:54 <BlueWall> wow, yes
2015-04-29 23:54 <nebadon> yea there is no reason to not improve LSL while adding new language capabilities
2015-04-29 23:54 <dahlia> ya lua has some new jit thing which is supposed to make it pretty fast but still I hear angelscript is faster
2015-04-29 23:54 <nebadon> becasue LSL is popular
2015-04-29 23:55 <diva> I heard a funny story about the guy who implemented the Lua jit compiler
2015-04-29 23:55 <dahlia> ya?
2015-04-29 23:55 <AllenKerensky> in order to preprocess sanitize and inject yield - isn't this all going to be AOT rather than JIT?
2015-04-29 23:55 <dahlia> dunno
2015-04-29 23:55 <diva> apparently he's one of those like the Bitcoin creator -- no one knows who he is, and whether it's one person or many :)
2015-04-29 23:55 <dahlia> implementation detail :P
2015-04-29 23:55 <nebadon> i am testing AppDomainLoading = true on mono 4.0.1
2015-04-29 23:55 <BlueWall> dahlia, you can be one of Charlie's AngelScripters
2015-04-29 23:55 <dahlia> diva: lol
2015-04-29 23:55 <nebadon> see if i can blow it up
2015-04-29 23:56 <BlueWall> haha, neb
2015-04-29 23:56 <dahlia> BlueWall: now I need farrah fawcett prim hair :D
2015-04-29 23:56 <BeyBar> Could something like https://neolua.codeplex.com/ or https://github.com/NLua/NLua be useful?
2015-04-29 23:56 <BlueWall> :D
2015-04-29 23:57 <dahlia> she had AMAZING hair lol
2015-04-29 23:57 <BlueWall> she had amazinf everythngs :)
2015-04-29 23:57 <dahlia> heh
2015-04-29 23:58 <AllenKerensky> except acting, I've seen SATURN 3
2015-04-29 23:58 <BlueWall> :)
2015-04-29 23:58 <dahlia> dunno if lua is preemptive or not
2015-04-29 23:59 <dahlia> also I think lua only recently added real integers
2015-04-29 23:59 <diva> yes
2015-04-29 23:59 <dahlia> before everything was a double, like js
2015-04-29 23:59 <diva> I heard about them last week
2015-04-29 23:59 <AllenKerensky> well, I'd still like to see a single unified language for viewer, server, and scripting for the entire metaverse/virtual world system
2015-04-30 00:00 <dahlia> AllenKerensky: sure but then we need to force everyone else to drop js
2015-04-30 00:00 <BlueWall> AllenKerensky, with database access?
2015-04-30 00:00 <AllenKerensky> that wouldn't be a bad thing IMO
2015-04-30 00:00 <AllenKerensky> and yeah with a data abstraction layer you could sanely call from OSSL...
2015-04-30 00:00 <nebadon> Klein Bottle rezzer fails the same with AppDomainLoading = true
2015-04-30 00:00 <AllenKerensky> osStoreMyJunk(privatetable,key,fields,values);
2015-04-30 00:00 <nebadon> trying now with UnsafeQueueUserWorkItem in 4.0.1
2015-04-30 00:03 <nebadon> still fails
2015-04-30 00:03 <nebadon> yep xengine == not good :P
2015-04-30 00:04 <dahlia> osChargeAllenKerensky0.02L$PerByteOfStoredJunkPerWeek();
2015-04-30 00:04 <AllenKerensky> if its in region local tables - isn't that me charging myself?
2015-04-30 00:04 <nebadon> let me give xengine 2000 threads see what happens
2015-04-30 00:04 <dahlia> osChargeAllenKerensky0.02L$PerByteOfStoredJunkPerWeekAnyway();
2015-04-30 00:04 <AllenKerensky> asset nopenotgonna...
2015-04-30 00:05 <AllenKerensky> yeah well that would be fine dahlia - its not hard to change the spacebux module to give you infiniL$ anyway
2015-04-30 00:06 <dahlia> mmmm infinite spacebux nom nom nom
2015-04-30 00:07 <AllenKerensky> cat /dev/spacebux | nc dahlia
2015-04-30 00:09 <nebadon> hmm wierd even 2000 threads doesnt change it anymore
2015-04-30 00:09 <nebadon> it used to
2015-04-30 00:09 <dahlia> ln /dev/null /dev/bitbucket; ns > /dev/bitbucket
2015-04-30 00:09 <nebadon> still dieing at 400 prims rezzed
2015-04-30 00:13 <nebadon> Melanie_T
2015-04-30 00:13 <nebadon> i got it to go past 400
2015-04-30 00:13 <nebadon> by changing the EventLimit
2015-04-30 00:13 <Melanie_T> how?
2015-04-30 00:13 <nebadon> to 300
2015-04-30 00:13 <Melanie_T> ok
2015-04-30 00:13 <Melanie_T> way too much
2015-04-30 00:13 <nebadon> of course
2015-04-30 00:13 <Melanie_T> but if scripts get queued
2015-04-30 00:13 <Melanie_T> understandable
2015-04-30 00:13 <nebadon> but it makes a big difference
2015-04-30 00:13 <Melanie_T> it much exceeds ll specs
2015-04-30 00:13 <Melanie_T> but there maybe general usefulness
2015-04-30 00:13 <nebadon> it still fails
2015-04-30 00:13 <Melanie_T> :(
2015-04-30 00:13 <nebadon> at 1000 prims now
2015-04-30 00:14 <nebadon> but it appears the event is the problem
2015-04-30 00:14 <Melanie_T> maybe you need 1/3 of prim count
2015-04-30 00:14 <Melanie_T> for that particular script
2015-04-30 00:14 <Melanie_T> so, 3000 for 10000 prims
2015-04-30 00:14 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=n7aFUjz8
2015-04-30 00:14 <nebadon> this is the script
2015-04-30 00:15 <nebadon> oh interesting
2015-04-30 00:15 <nebadon> it started going again
2015-04-30 00:15 <nebadon> but there is a chunk of prims missing
2015-04-30 00:15 <Melanie_T> i've been seeing that on avn, too
2015-04-30 00:15 <Melanie_T> pausing then recovering
2015-04-30 00:16 <nebadon> id say there is like 200-250 prim gap
2015-04-30 00:16 <nebadon> and then it started going again
2015-04-30 00:16 <Melanie_T> i see no gaps but pauses
2015-04-30 00:17 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/xengine_fail_01.png
2015-04-30 00:17 <nebadon> interesting
2015-04-30 00:17 <nebadon> there seems to be some kind of bug with small prims too
2015-04-30 00:17 <nebadon> when i zoom in to a certain distance say 5-6 meters
2015-04-30 00:18 <nebadon> a bunch of the prims disappear
2015-04-30 00:18 <nebadon> but if i zoom out to like 20+ meters
2015-04-30 00:18 <nebadon> i see them
2015-04-30 00:18 <nebadon> Cuteulala mentioned this to me earlier today too
2015-04-30 00:19 <dahlia> tell viewer ppl
2015-04-30 00:19 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/missing_prims_close1.png
2015-04-30 00:19 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/missing_prims_far.png
2015-04-30 00:20 <nebadon> interestingly Cuteulala said all viewers do it
2015-04-30 00:20 <nebadon> I cant imagine this is a problem in SL
2015-04-30 00:20 <nebadon> which may mean its an opensim only problem
2015-04-30 00:20 <nebadon> have to test
2015-04-30 00:20 <AllenKerensky> run that script on the beta grid and see if you get the same effect?
2015-04-30 00:20 <nebadon> yea
2015-04-30 00:21 <dahlia> if you zoom in and prims disappear, I seriously doubt its opensim
2015-04-30 00:21 <nebadon> would be odd though if the same bug is in Singularity and Firestorm
2015-04-30 00:22 <AllenKerensky> not if it comes from the base SL code
2015-04-30 00:23 <AllenKerensky> i'd say search their Jira for a disappearing prims ticket... but I think they broke Jira for mortals a while back
2015-04-30 00:27 <LiruCookies>  What's missing?
2015-04-30 00:27 <LiruCookies> I don't see missing prims
2015-04-30 00:27 <LiruCookies> Looks like different LODs
2015-04-30 00:27 <LiruCookies> is that a mesh?
2015-04-30 00:28 <nebadon> no
2015-04-30 00:28 <nebadon> its cubes
2015-04-30 00:29 <nebadon> I have it running on SL Beta grid now
2015-04-30 00:30 <nebadon> LiruCookies
2015-04-30 00:30 <nebadon> if you want to see it in action, I am at Sisyphus 128/128/512 on OSgrid
2015-04-30 00:30 <nebadon> moving the camera around makes it a lot more obvious
2015-04-30 00:31 <nebadon> interesting
2015-04-30 00:31 <nebadon> it happens on SL Beta grid too
2015-04-30 00:31 <nebadon> I am at Mesh Sandbox 3 on beta grid
2015-04-30 00:36 <nebadon> LiruCookies here it is way more obvious on SL Beta grid
2015-04-30 00:36 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/missing_prims_close2.png
2015-04-30 00:36 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/missing_prims_far2.png
2015-04-30 00:37 <nebadon> interesting
2015-04-30 00:37 <nebadon> now im starting to wonder if Xengine isnt failing
2015-04-30 00:38 <nebadon> and that its the viewer just not rendering prims
2015-04-30 00:38 <nebadon> because im seeing something similar on SL
2015-04-30 00:38 <nebadon> missing chunks
2015-04-30 00:38 <nebadon> and if i zoom in and out rapidly
2015-04-30 00:38 <nebadon> more prims show up
2015-04-30 00:40 <nebadon> well shit
2015-04-30 00:40 <nebadon> it isnt xengine
2015-04-30 00:40 <nebadon> its the damn viewer
2015-04-30 00:40 <nebadon> it seems to have trouble rezzing 1000s of tiny prims
2015-04-30 00:40 <nebadon> i relogged into my opensim region and none of the prims are missing
2015-04-30 00:41 <nebadon> how bizzare
2015-04-30 00:41 <nebadon> its still not rendering all of them
2015-04-30 00:41 <nebadon> but ones that were missing before are not missing now
2015-04-30 00:41 <nebadon> wonder what the heck is going on here
2015-04-30 00:41 <nebadon> this is not good
2015-04-30 00:42 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/missing_prims_wtf1.png
2015-04-30 00:45 <nebadon> I dont get it this wasnt a problem before
2015-04-30 00:45 <nebadon> its obviously a viewer problem though, same exact thing is happening in SL
2015-04-30 00:48 <nebadon> ya Kokua doing same thing
2015-04-30 00:50 <nebadon> LiruCookies I dont think its a LOD issue
2015-04-30 00:50 <nebadon> setting RenderVolumeLODFactor to 4.0 doesnt change anything at all
2015-04-30 00:51 <nebadon> and as I zoom out at different levels of zoom out different areas of the object appear and disappear
2015-04-30 00:52 <nebadon> this must be a relatively new problem, and its really odd that earlier today Cuteulala messaged me on OSGrid complaining of the same thing
2015-04-30 00:52 <nebadon> then i just on my own testing something completely else notice the same exact thing
2015-04-30 00:56 <nebadon> LiruCookies > http://nebadon2025.com/video/missing_prims_wtf1.mp4
2015-04-30 00:57 <nebadon> SianaGearz you might find this stuff interesting too ^^^
2015-04-30 01:18 <osmantis> Bug #7548:04 impossible to save IAR in regionless simulator connected to grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7548 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-04-30 01:38 <osmantis> Bug #7548:04 impossible to save IAR in regionless simulator connected to grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7548 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-30 01:43 <nebadon> Statspocalypse Now!
2015-04-30 01:43 <nebadon> love the smell of git patches in the morning!
2015-04-30 01:45 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-30 01:45 <diva> :)
2015-04-30 01:46 <dahlia> t-bones and beer pls :)
2015-04-30 01:47 <dahlia> lol that was my fave movie for quite a long time
2015-04-30 01:48 <nebadon> :)
2015-04-30 01:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #4141 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-04-30 01:52 <diva> and I see now whay misterblue didn't fix the stats for physics...
2015-04-30 01:52 <diva> a bunch of little annoyances in how things are coded
2015-04-30 01:53 <nebadon> yea I remember him saying it might not be possible
2015-04-30 01:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4141: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4141/
2015-04-30 01:53 <osjenkins> * diva: Added in all metrics for Phase 1 except for Time Dilation.
2015-04-30 01:53 <osjenkins> * diva: Added new [Statistics] config section to go with the previous patch.
2015-04-30 01:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #4142 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-04-30 01:54 <diva> it's possible, but a few things need to be changed
2015-04-30 01:54 <diva> that StatsReporter interface is assuming that everything happens in the update loop
2015-04-30 01:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4142: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4142/
2015-04-30 01:58 <osjenkins> diva: Updated all occurrences of AssemblyVersion("0.8.1.*") to AssemblyVersion("0.8.2.*")
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2015-04-30 02:35 <nebadon> well this render bug runs deep
2015-04-30 02:35 <nebadon> even the stock LL viewer does it
2015-04-30 02:35 <nebadon> talk about shitty
2015-04-30 02:35 <nebadon> shittaaaaay
2015-04-30 05:05 <nebadon> http://venturebeat.com/2015/04/29/microsoft-releases-net-core-preview-for-mac-and-linux/
2015-04-30 05:06 <nebadon> dahlia you see this yet?
2015-04-30 05:06 <nebadon> https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr/blob/master/Documentation/get-dotnetcore-dnx-linux.md
2015-04-30 05:06 <nebadon> hah
2015-04-30 05:06 <nebadon> says you need mono
2015-04-30 05:06 <nebadon> temporarily
2015-04-30 05:07 <nebadon> "You also need a latest version of Mono, which is required for DNU. This is a temporary requirement. "
2015-04-30 05:08 <dahlia> nebadon: is that new?
2015-04-30 05:09 <nebadon> the article is from yesterday
2015-04-30 05:09 <nebadon> there is a binary now apparantly
2015-04-30 05:09 <dahlia> I got coreclr to build on my server but couldnt get any runtime to work with it
2015-04-30 05:09 <nebadon> something called dnvm
2015-04-30 05:09 <nebadon> dot.net version manager
2015-04-30 05:12 <nebadon> nebadon@ASUSG750:~/dnvm> dnx
2015-04-30 05:12 <nebadon> Microsoft .NET Execution environment v1.0.0-beta5-11657
2015-04-30 05:13 <nebadon> no idea how to get it to run opensim though
2015-04-30 05:14 <nebadon> no doubt it actually cant yet
2015-04-30 05:14 <nebadon> but i have no idea even how to 
2015-04-30 05:14 <nebadon> the hello world example says to do 'dnx . run'
2015-04-30 05:14 <nebadon> im guessing this is no where even close to running opensim hehe
2015-04-30 05:15 <nebadon> nice to see some progress though
2015-04-30 05:18 <nebadon> haha holy shit
2015-04-30 05:18 <nebadon> its not right but look
2015-04-30 05:18 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/AntjmPfw
2015-04-30 05:20 <dahlia> heh
2015-04-30 05:20 <dahlia> I'm not in a hurry lol
2015-04-30 05:21 <dahlia> will wait for the real experts to get it to work first ;)
2015-04-30 05:22 <nebadon> it got further than I expected it would
2015-04-30 05:22 <nebadon> im quite surprised honestly
2015-04-30 05:22 <nebadon> the fact it can even partially run the exe is quite cool
2015-04-30 05:27 <dahlia> I would have thought you could just use the mono runtime as is but I couldnt get it to work
2015-04-30 05:30 <nebadon> i used the binary via dnvm
2015-04-30 05:30 <nebadon> thats pretty cool, very similar to rvm
2015-04-30 05:30 <nebadon> ruby version manager
2015-04-30 14:44 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-30 15:45 <osmantis> Bug #7514:04 Can't rez items from OSGrid on my own grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7514 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-30 16:24 <osmantis> Bug #7514:04 Can't rez items from OSGrid on my own grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7514 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-04-30 16:54 <osmantis> Bug #7549:04 facebook post for opensim feature request 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7549 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-04-30 16:56 <osmantis> Bug #7549:04 facebook post for opensim feature request 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7549 ): has been CLOSED
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2015-04-30 20:10 <Plugh> Today is the day for fixed/new stuff. I'm running with mostly brand new hardware, a fixed keyboard, and a fixed mouse.
2015-04-30 20:11 <Plugh> :)
2015-04-30 20:25 <diva> VS 2012 comes with a profiler!
2015-04-30 20:29 <dahlia> 2013 TOO
2015-04-30 20:29 <dahlia> too
2015-04-30 20:29 <dahlia> 2013 is definately worth upgrading to, it has the pro features
2015-04-30 20:30 <dahlia> but I havent figured out the profiler yet
2015-04-30 20:30 <diva> yeah I'm not sure if I have 20113 or 2012, i's confusing
2015-04-30 20:30 <dahlia> splash screen usually says something I think
2015-04-30 20:31 <diva> it says 2012
2015-04-30 20:31 <dahlia> ah
2015-04-30 20:31 <dahlia> mine says 2013 community edition
2015-04-30 20:31 <diva> I'll try to install that one too
2015-04-30 20:31 <dahlia> thats the free pro one
2015-04-30 20:32 <diva> wow it also does code metrics
2015-04-30 20:32 <dahlia> ya
2015-04-30 20:32 <dahlia> static analysis and stuff :)
2015-04-30 20:32 <diva> I like C# even more now!
2015-04-30 20:32 <dahlia> lol
2015-04-30 20:33 <dahlia> I've always liked it, but I wish it could make native executables
2015-04-30 20:33 <dahlia> c++ is horrid but necessary :(
2015-04-30 20:34 <diva> wow these analysis tools are really amazing
2015-04-30 20:54 <osmantis> Bug #7550:04 New constants for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7550 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-04-30 20:55 <osmantis> Bug #7550:04 New constants for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7550 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-04-30 22:47 <osmantis> Bug #7353:04 llGetGeometricCenter() returns the wrong vector. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7353 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-04-30 22:54 <osmantis> Bug #7175:04 [SCRIPT] llGetVel() don't work with HUD + Vehicle 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7175 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2015-04-30 22:54 <osmantis> Bug #7177:04 [SCRIPT] llGetObjectDetails() don't work with HUD 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7177 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2015-04-30 23:03 <nebadon> how is the new computer holding up Plugh?
2015-04-30 23:03 <nebadon> happy with performance?
2015-04-30 23:05 <Plugh> It does seem faster. Not sure yet by how much. I haven't finished getting all the dependencies updated that are needed by GIMP. I've just come back from dinner and am working on that now.
2015-04-30 23:05 <Plugh> Full compile of GIMP is a good test. Used to take me about 15 minutes on the old machine.
2015-04-30 23:06 <nebadon> i have no doubt it will compile faster if you use make -j8
2015-04-30 23:06 <Plugh> yup. that's what I've been using.
2015-04-30 23:06 <osmantis> Bug #7551:04 [SCRIPT] llGetCenterOfMass() returns the wrong vector 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7551 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2015-04-30 23:07 <Plugh> bah... dependency hell. :P  I have to update lcms this time. Don't usually have to do that one.
2015-04-30 23:07 <nebadon> heh ya
2015-04-30 23:07 <nebadon> i hat that part of linux
2015-04-30 23:08 <Plugh> I want to start working with FPGA's and having a much faster machine will really help when I have convert VHDL in to a file to feed to my FPGA board.
2015-04-30 23:10 <Plugh> I have a development environment for GIMP where I can build local copies of any dependencies that are out of date compared to what is installed by the distro.
2015-04-30 23:12 <Plugh> Bingo! ./configure completed. I'm now ready to do timed full builds of GIMP
2015-04-30 23:12 <nebadon> nice
2015-04-30 23:13 <Plugh> here we go...
2015-04-30 23:14 <Plugh> hehe... I used to have two CPU monitoring applets in the corner of my screen. Now I have 8 of them. I'm watching 'make -j8' pushing all the bars for each core to max clock rate.
2015-04-30 23:16 <nebadon> nice, ya thats how I have my laptop too
2015-04-30 23:17 <Plugh> holy cr*p. The build finished already.
2015-04-30 23:17 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/opensuse_13.1_desktop_02.png
2015-04-30 23:17 <nebadon> hehe nice :)
2015-04-30 23:17 <nebadon> told you it would be faster :P
2015-04-30 23:17 <Plugh> yeah, no kidding.
2015-04-30 23:17 <Plugh> About 3 minutes, 18 seconds. I'm sure it was closer to 15 minutes on my C2D machine.
2015-04-30 23:18 <Plugh> I'll run it one more time then I'm going to reboot to change the numbers for the memory.
2015-04-30 23:23 <Plugh> I shut down a couple other programs and this time I took 3 minutes and 2 seconds.
2015-04-30 23:24 <Plugh> ok, I'm going to reboot to put the proper memory settings in the BIOS for the memory I have.
2015-04-30 23:24 <Plugh> bbiab
2015-04-30 23:29 <Plugh> Memory config changed from 9-9-9-24 to 7-8-8-24
2015-04-30 23:31 <dahlia> I dont recognize those numbers from any bios setup I have
2015-04-30 23:31 <dahlia> bits/parity?
2015-04-30 23:31 <Plugh> Memory timing parameters. The first digit is the CAS timing.
2015-04-30 23:32 <dahlia> oh
2015-04-30 23:32 <dahlia> is there a RAS also?
2015-04-30 23:32 <AllenKerensky> yeah you're really messing with stuff when you're down in CAS/RAS terrortory
2015-04-30 23:32 <Plugh> yea, I don't know what all the numbers are for.
2015-04-30 23:32 <AllenKerensky> OverClockers of the world.... HALT AND CATCH FIRE!
2015-04-30 23:32 <dahlia> I dont overclock anyway, I just use recommended settings
2015-04-30 23:33 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: I'm just putting in the numbers for the memory I have vs. the safe defaults the motherboard selected automatically.
2015-04-30 23:33 <Plugh> I'm not doing any overclocking.
2015-04-30 23:33 <AllenKerensky> column address and row address strobes that time which clock phases various parts of the ram lines get electrically refreshed at and which are able to be read/write to/from
2015-04-30 23:34 <dahlia> I'm sure I don't have the skill+equipment necessary to pick the optimal setting, I just trust the bios
2015-04-30 23:34 <AllenKerensky> or vendor docs for the sticks
2015-04-30 23:34 <Plugh> hm... first run still seems to have come up at 3:18 same as first run with previous RAM settings
2015-04-30 23:34 <dahlia> or that
2015-04-30 23:35 <Plugh> dahlia: l'm putting in the numbers stated by the RAM maker.
2015-04-30 23:35 <dahlia> a nice 10ghz scope would probably be useful
2015-04-30 23:35 <dahlia> but those are like $100k or more
2015-04-30 23:35 <Plugh> yeah. 
2015-04-30 23:36 <AllenKerensky> assuming you can make any sense out of the stuff on today's motherboards
2015-04-30 23:36 <dahlia> lol ya
2015-04-30 23:36 <AllenKerensky> you could pretty easily signal match on XTs and ATs... todays boards and speeds...
2015-04-30 23:36 <AllenKerensky> I wouldn't want to try it
2015-04-30 23:36 <AllenKerensky> I do like having 1-8 sticks to push in rather than DOZENS of DIP DRAMs
2015-04-30 23:37 <dahlia> I took a class a few years back by this guy named Johnson who was a motherboard design guru, pretty intense stuff even back then 
2015-04-30 23:37 <AllenKerensky> sounds cool
2015-04-30 23:37 <Plugh> Nice. That would have been an interesting class
2015-04-30 23:37 <AllenKerensky> I took a class from the guy who invented CTRL+ALT+DEL for the PC... was trippy stuff
2015-04-30 23:37 <dahlia> it was very interesting but pretty intense
2015-04-30 23:38 <Plugh> Did he explain how that combination was selected, AllenKerensky?
2015-04-30 23:38 <AllenKerensky> yes he did
2015-04-30 23:38 <dahlia> heh
2015-04-30 23:38 <AllenKerensky> the abridged version is up on youtube somewhere 
2015-04-30 23:38 <AllenKerensky> that guy's FAQ starts with that question
2015-04-30 23:38 <dahlia> wasnt that an IBM invention?
2015-04-30 23:38 <AllenKerensky> yeah basically
2015-04-30 23:38 <AllenKerensky> it was a 5 minute hack to trip the processor for debugging
2015-04-30 23:39 <AllenKerensky> and they keys chosen were the furthest apart on the original IBM 8x-key keyboards
2015-04-30 23:39 <AllenKerensky> so they couldn't be accidentally
2015-04-30 23:40 <Plugh> ok, the ram timing changes hasn't had any real impact on the compile time.
2015-04-30 23:40 <Plugh> 3:08 second run.
2015-04-30 23:40 <AllenKerensky> yeah the compile is likely not RAM bound
2015-04-30 23:40 <AllenKerensky> it may be core or I/O bottlenecked more
2015-04-30 23:40 <Plugh> Makes the machine on the order of 4 to 5 times faster than my old C2D based one.
2015-04-30 23:43 <AllenKerensky> hehehe I bet a viewer build goes better for you now too
2015-04-30 23:43 <Plugh> yeah.
2015-04-30 23:43 <Plugh> time to do a build of latest OpenSIm
2015-04-30 23:44 <dahlia> the guy was the author of http://www.amazon.co.uk/Digital-Design-Prentice-Modern-Semiconductor/dp/0133957241
2015-04-30 23:45 <Plugh> hmm... perhaps I should time memtest with the two sets of RAM timing.
2015-04-30 23:45 <dahlia> back then bus speeds were 100s of mhz
2015-04-30 23:46 <dahlia> I hate to think about what goes on now lol
2015-04-30 23:46 <Plugh> Its crazy to think I have 16G of RAM. I remember when I was happy to upgrade from a 450MB HD to a 2G HD. :)
2015-04-30 23:46 <dahlia> I remember paying $500ish for a 100mb drive
2015-04-30 23:47 <Plugh> wow. Full build of OpenSIm master took 85.6 seconds
2015-04-30 23:47 <dahlia> :)
2015-04-30 23:47 <nebadon> hehe nice :)
2015-04-30 23:47 <nebadon> ya those memory timings only make a difference when your doing competitive benchmarking
2015-04-30 23:48 <nebadon> its like 1/4 mile drag racing
2015-04-30 23:48 <nebadon> shaving off 1/100th of a second
2015-04-30 23:48 <Plugh> yeah.
2015-04-30 23:48 <nebadon> its good to set it to what its rated for
2015-04-30 23:48 <nebadon> might as well get what your paying for
2015-04-30 23:48 <Plugh> I wonder if my HD performance is up. The 1TB drives were supposed to be good for 6GB/s transfer but they were only running at 3G/s on my old machine.
2015-04-30 23:49 <nebadon> also probbaly not a huge difference there
2015-04-30 23:49 <AllenKerensky> check the I/O controller spec
2015-04-30 23:49 <nebadon> maybe on very large sustained writes
2015-04-30 23:49 <AllenKerensky> a lot of mobo controllers top at 3G/s
2015-04-30 23:49 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: where do I check that?
2015-04-30 23:49 <AllenKerensky> detailed chip and parts sheets for the mobo
2015-04-30 23:49 <dahlia> seek is often more important than transfer
2015-04-30 23:49 <Plugh> 81 seconds to do full compile of OS on second run
2015-04-30 23:50 <AllenKerensky> sometimes... through a magnifying glass if the manufacturer doesn't inventory parts used in the manual
2015-04-30 23:50 <nebadon> all the new boards are 6g/s
2015-04-30 23:50 <Plugh> nope. The MB says its 3GB/s
2015-04-30 23:51 <Plugh> oh, well. no big deal there. The machine is still a lot faster than what I had been running.
2015-04-30 23:51 <nebadon> you know that could matter what SATA port its plugged into
2015-04-30 23:51 <AllenKerensky> yeah some boards have mixed controllers
2015-04-30 23:51 <nebadon> somtimes you get 2 6g/s and 4 3g/s
2015-04-30 23:51 <AllenKerensky> yeah what neb was typing
2015-04-30 23:52 <Plugh> The one annoying thing about the new case is the front panel USB ports are upside down.
2015-04-30 23:53 <AllenKerensky> time to get out the screwdriver or dremel...
2015-04-30 23:53 <Plugh> I need another standoff for the MB. The MB has 8 mounting holes but the case maker only gives you 7 standoffs.
2015-04-30 23:54 <BlueWall> I made three for my machine from small machine scews, nuts and washers.
2015-04-30 23:54 <nebadon> I must have 1000 of those things
2015-04-30 23:55 <nebadon> i have buckets of computer screws and standoffs
2015-04-30 23:55 <BlueWall> case is circa 1998 and no one had them large enough.
2015-04-30 23:55 <Plugh> I have standoffs but they are too tall or I could just use one of them.
2015-04-30 23:55 <Plugh> nebadon: Nice for you. Doesn't help me.  hehe
2015-04-30 23:55 <nebadon> honestly it will probably be fine missing one
2015-04-30 23:55 <nebadon> not like your going to be flexing the case
2015-04-30 23:55 <Plugh> yeah. I have the missing one near the SATA connectors.
2015-04-30 23:56 <Plugh> I made sure all standoffs are near the RAM and plug-in slots.
2015-04-30 23:56 <BlueWall> nebadon, that Banana Pi, it has an SATA connector. Do they put the OS on that?
2015-04-30 23:56 <nebadon> you can I think
2015-04-30 23:57 <nebadon> you can load it on either SD or SATA
2015-04-30 23:57 <BlueWall> I have a little SATA drive :)
2015-04-30 23:58 <nebadon> yea its probably laptop drive
2015-04-30 23:58 <BlueWall> If I bouth that, they would ahve a 4 core one in a month.
2015-04-30 23:58 <nebadon> 2.5 inch
2015-04-30 23:58 <nebadon> haha ya
2015-04-30 23:58 <BlueWall> it is, I bought it by mistake for my notebook 
2015-05-01 00:00 <nebadon> could always put it in one of these
2015-05-01 00:00 <nebadon> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4YU2B19276&cm_re=transcend_USB-_-17-349-008-_-Product
2015-05-01 00:00 <nebadon> I have a transcend 120gb SSD that came with one of these
2015-05-01 00:00 <nebadon> i boot opensuse on my laptop from that
2015-05-01 00:00 <nebadon> works great
2015-05-01 00:01 <BlueWall> ahh
2015-05-01 00:01 <nebadon> I was afraid to install it to the internal SSD
2015-05-01 00:01 <nebadon> since these new laptops dont ship with Windows 8 discs
2015-05-01 00:01 <nebadon> pain in the ass to reload it
2015-05-01 00:02 <BlueWall> http://tinyonestore.com/products/banana-pi-bpi-r1-open-source-router-kit
2015-05-01 00:03 <nebadon> nice
2015-05-01 00:03 <nebadon> oh wow
2015-05-01 00:03 <nebadon> they have an opensuse image
2015-05-01 00:03 <BlueWall> I am considering one of those to replace a really old linksys
2015-05-01 00:03 <BlueWall> yeah
2015-05-01 00:04 <nebadon> probably should just run OpenWRT
2015-05-01 00:04 <BlueWall> 1GB RAM shared with gpu - is that enough?
2015-05-01 00:04 <nebadon> unless your very proficient with iptables
2015-05-01 00:04 <nebadon> for a router?
2015-05-01 00:04 <BlueWall> yeah
2015-05-01 00:04 <nebadon> i think my router has 64mb ram
2015-05-01 00:04 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-01 00:05 <nebadon> it runs TomatoRAF
2015-05-01 00:05 <BlueWall> ok
2015-05-01 00:05 <BlueWall> haha
2015-05-01 00:05 <nebadon> i think its also single core
2015-05-01 00:05 <nebadon> so this will be more than ample for a home router
2015-05-01 00:06 <nebadon> could probably have it be a web server too
2015-05-01 00:06 <nebadon> apache or nginx
2015-05-01 00:06 <nebadon> OpenWRT is nice
2015-05-01 00:06 <BlueWall> wonder if there are any firewall apps for android?
2015-05-01 00:07 <BlueWall> haha, I could run Netflix on my router and stream it to the Chromecast :)
2015-05-01 00:07 <Plugh> bbl. I'm going to install my DVD drives
2015-05-01 00:07 <nebadon> kk Plugh
2015-05-01 00:07 <nebadon> I wouldnt run Android
2015-05-01 00:08 <BlueWall> yeah, maybe that OpenWRT or the debian
2015-05-01 00:08 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-01 00:08 <nebadon> Lubuntu is nice
2015-05-01 00:08 <BlueWall> still mulling it over though
2015-05-01 00:08 <nebadon> though if you are going headless
2015-05-01 00:08 <nebadon> just go debian
2015-05-01 00:08 <nebadon> personally OpenWRT would be a better choice for router
2015-05-01 00:09 <nebadon> because it has the Web Configurator page
2015-05-01 00:09 <BlueWall> I could probably pay for it with the power savings.
2015-05-01 00:09 <nebadon> you can probably install something similar though on debian
2015-05-01 00:09 <nebadon> just a bit more work
2015-05-01 00:09 <nebadon> but OpenWRT would let you tune the wifi
2015-05-01 00:09 <BlueWall> but, then If I don't run an email server on it I could just do whatever I would do if I had it for email and shut everything down now and save even more :)
2015-05-01 00:09 <nebadon> would be a hell of a lot easier making it a wifi access point
2015-05-01 00:09 <nebadon> i have never actually done that with bare linux
2015-05-01 00:10 <BlueWall> ohhh, nice
2015-05-01 00:10 <nebadon> yea OpenWRT is would look just like any modern router you buy at the store
2015-05-01 00:10 <nebadon> real nice config web app you access via web browser
2015-05-01 00:11 <nebadon> http://i1-linux.softpedia-static.com/screenshots/OpenWrt_3.jpg
2015-05-01 00:11 <nebadon> and stuff like this
2015-05-01 00:11 <nebadon> http://girtby.net/assets/2009/02/openwrt-kamikaze.png
2015-05-01 00:11 <nebadon> all ready to go with out much fuss
2015-05-01 00:12 <BlueWall> nice
2015-05-01 00:12 <BlueWall> probably still have room for a small mail server 
2015-05-01 00:13 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-01 00:13 <nebadon> you can do a lot with 1gb ram
2015-05-01 00:13 <nebadon> not like this is an enterprise server for 100 users
2015-05-01 00:13 <nebadon> hehe
2015-05-01 00:13 <nebadon> i remember when i worked at PHH mortage we had servers with 512mb memory for 1000 users
2015-05-01 00:13 <BlueWall> hehe
2015-05-01 01:42 <Plugh> The DVD drives are working. I'm not sure the front panel mic or headphone jacks are working but that isn't that important.
2015-05-01 02:25 <nebadon> nice
2015-05-01 02:26 <Plugh> Next step will be to install my video card and TV tuner card
2015-05-01 16:06 <Plugh> Wow!
2015-05-01 16:06 <Plugh> 
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2015-05-01 16:06 <nebadon> whats up?
2015-05-01 16:06 <BlueWall> 0.0
2015-05-01 16:07 <Plugh> I just put my original video card in my machine and logged in to a grid. When I first arrived the viewer stats were showing 52fps.
2015-05-01 16:07 <BlueWall> hahah
2015-05-01 16:07 <Plugh> Didn't stay that way. Its settled down to about 16 to 17 fps.
2015-05-01 16:07 <nebadon> :) glad the new machine is working out well
2015-05-01 16:07 <Plugh> Yesterday I was using the video system built in to the mother board and it was only giving me about 4 to 5 fps
2015-05-01 16:07 <nebadon> any luck with RAID yet?
2015-05-01 16:08 <BlueWall> I think it normaly does once it gets things from the scene in it's cache
2015-05-01 16:08 <BlueWall> if you look around, it will probably bump back up.
2015-05-01 16:09 <Plugh> I need to read up on it for this MB. Linux comes up with the device names as before so it seems it is working with software raid. In the BIOS it lists the two HD's and says single drive so I'm not sure if the BIOS knows the two are part of one array.
2015-05-01 16:09 <Plugh> BlueWall: You're right. I started moving around and it jumped up to 60fps
2015-05-01 16:10 <BlueWall> I think it more or less idles when it can
2015-05-01 16:10 <Plugh> This is truly awesome. Even with my old 8600GT card, which was faster than my 9500GT, I never got numbers anywhere near this
2015-05-01 16:10 <nebadon> :)
2015-05-01 16:11 <Plugh> I was thinking the next thing would be to upgrade my video card. I may not need to do that now.
2015-05-01 16:13 <Plugh> Hm... also interesting... I updated my Singularity viewer yesterday. For the first time I've been able to TP from a var to my standard region without a viewer crash.
2015-05-01 16:16 <Plugh> 
ACTION sings "happy birthday to me" and does his happy dance.

2015-05-01 16:17 <Plugh> I still have a bunch of things to do before I can really settle in to using the new machine but its looking really good. The only possible casualty, so far, is not being able to boot WIndows XP (yet). I'll get back to working on that later.
2015-05-01 16:27 <H-H-H> stay on the darkside lol linux is your friend :P
2015-05-01 16:37 <nebadon> nice, Plugh, and Happy Birthday :)
2015-05-01 16:38 <Plugh> ty
2015-05-01 16:38 <BlueWall> ohhh, Happy Birthday Plugh!
2015-05-01 16:38 <Plugh> H-H-H: true but I need Windows XP to hot sync my PDA and to run Rhino 3D.
2015-05-01 16:39 <Plugh> H-H-H: If I can get it set up via virtualbox I'll consider that.
2015-05-01 16:39 <nebadon> I have never had much luck changing motherboards with XP
2015-05-01 16:39 <BlueWall> I will probably setup a VM with windows on my dev machine to compile the dll we use
2015-05-01 16:39 <Plugh> BlueWall: ty
2015-05-01 16:40 <BlueWall> Ohh, I lost all my data once when fixing my machine ...
2015-05-01 16:40 <nebadon> with xp?
2015-05-01 16:40 <Plugh> nebadon: What I've read indicates XP may need AHCI drivers to work with this boards RAID
2015-05-01 16:40 <BlueWall> It was giving error messages, - yes
2015-05-01 16:40 <BlueWall> I had to reformat my drive - still no go.
2015-05-01 16:40 <nebadon> yea very likely Plugh
2015-05-01 16:40 <H-H-H> yeah i remember having to rin microsoft back when i used to run xp and changed my board lol
2015-05-01 16:40 <nebadon> you probably are going to need drivers for everything on the motherboard
2015-05-01 16:40 <BlueWall> Ended up, they wanted me to buy a new copy of Windows.
2015-05-01 16:41 <Plugh> nebadon: If I can't get XP to boot to safe mode it will be difficult to get the drivers installed.
2015-05-01 16:41 <nebadon> yes
2015-05-01 16:41 <Plugh> Plenty of other things still to do before I worry about Windows. 
2015-05-01 16:41 <nebadon> you might be able if you have the original disc, to do a repair install
2015-05-01 16:41 <nebadon> overtop of the old version
2015-05-01 16:41 <BlueWall> run it in a vm
2015-05-01 16:42 <nebadon> http://pcsupport.about.com/od/operatingsystems/ss/instxprepair1.htm
2015-05-01 16:42 <Plugh> Have to copy files/projects off the laptop that I was working on while my main machine was down. Fix or replace one DVD drive that doesn't always want to open, check on the RAID situation in the BIOS.
2015-05-01 16:42 <nebadon> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm
2015-05-01 16:42 <nebadon> these might be helpful guids
2015-05-01 16:42 <nebadon> guides*
2015-05-01 16:43 <Plugh> It was an OEM version that has a recovery partition. The problem is the recovery partition I wasn't able to copy to the new HD's. I'll have to try doing that again.
2015-05-01 16:43 <nebadon> ya
2015-05-01 16:43 <Plugh> bbl. Lunch time.
2015-05-01 16:43 <nebadon> like i said if you can't live without XP let me know
2015-05-01 16:43 <nebadon> i have a pile of licenses here
2015-05-01 16:43 <lkalif> hello
2015-05-01 16:43 <nebadon> hey lkalif!!
2015-05-01 16:43 <nebadon> how are you doing man?
2015-05-01 16:43 <BlueWall> Hi lkalif
2015-05-01 16:43 <BlueWall> good to see you!
2015-05-01 16:44 <Plugh> I can do without WIndows if I could find a way to run Rhino. I can use a family members computer to backup the PDA.
2015-05-01 16:44 <nebadon> hope your recovering and feeling well!!
2015-05-01 16:44 <lkalif> a bit better
2015-05-01 16:44 <nebadon> great!
2015-05-01 16:44 <BlueWall> ++
2015-05-01 16:44 <lkalif> nebadon: thanks
2015-05-01 16:44 <lkalif> still in a hospital
2015-05-01 16:45 <lkalif> but much better
2015-05-01 16:45 <BlueWall> hope you get up and out of there soon.
2015-05-01 16:45 <lkalif> thanks
2015-05-01 16:46 <lkalif> got a mail from Oz
2015-05-01 16:47 <BlueWall> the dropping linux thing?
2015-05-01 16:47 <lkalif> they broke the inventory on the server
2015-05-01 16:47 <BlueWall> 0.0
2015-05-01 16:47 <nebadon> what did they change?
2015-05-01 16:47 <lkalif> like "empty trash"
2015-05-01 16:48 <BlueWall> heh
2015-05-01 16:50 <lkalif> nebadon: removed udp messages
2015-05-01 16:51 <nebadon> ah so no more UDP fallback?
2015-05-01 16:51 <lkalif> in favot of their new AIS3 api
2015-05-01 16:52 <lkalif> they removed about a half of inv udp
2015-05-01 16:52 <lkalif> he sent jira
2015-05-01 16:53 <nebadon> lkalif who had control of openmetaverse.org before it went belly up?
2015-05-01 16:54 <lkalif> https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-8877
2015-05-01 16:54 <nebadon> we were tossing around the idea of setting up an official opensimulator team version of it, since it seems none of us have admin controls on github
2015-05-01 16:54 <lkalif> baba ... we fucked up
2015-05-01 16:55 <nebadon> I could ask the others what they think about doing something like libomv.opensimulator.org
2015-05-01 16:55 <nebadon> if you are interested
2015-05-01 16:55 <lkalif> nebadon: setup what?
2015-05-01 16:56 <nebadon> a new github account
2015-05-01 16:56 <nebadon> we can't add new people to the current one
2015-05-01 16:56 <lkalif> no need
2015-05-01 16:56 <nebadon> seems none of the people with commit access have admin access
2015-05-01 16:56 <lkalif> i can add diva and justin to admins
2015-05-01 16:57 <nebadon> awesome, thanks, that would be great
2015-05-01 16:57 <BlueWall> I have committed a couple of things, but a little wary to do too much.
2015-05-01 16:58 <lkalif> let me do that 
2015-05-01 16:58 <nebadon> and lkalif the subdomain i was offering say you guys wanted to set the website up again
2015-05-01 16:58 <nebadon> we maybe could point that domain at it
2015-05-01 16:58 <nebadon> just figured I would offer
2015-05-01 16:59 <nebadon> a few people showed up wondering about the docs and stuff the chm file or whatever it was
2015-05-01 16:59 <nebadon> no one could find an archive of it anywhere
2015-05-01 17:04 <lkalif> i gave diva and justin "owner"
2015-05-01 17:04 <nebadon> ok cool thanks a bunch
2015-05-01 17:05 <lkalif> i have backups
2015-05-01 17:05 <nebadon> much better than starting fresh
2015-05-01 17:05 <lkalif> i offered that troll $200 lets see if he takes it
2015-05-01 17:06 <nebadon> heh ya that really sucks
2015-05-01 17:06 <nebadon> if there is anything we can do to help let us know
2015-05-01 17:07 <nebadon> I know its not the most ideal solution, but if you are interested we can probably point it to libomv.opensimulator.org
2015-05-01 17:07 <lkalif> nebadon: you can setup dns cname
2015-05-01 17:07 <nebadon> ok ip address?
2015-05-01 17:08 <lkalif> libomv.opensimulator.org in cname laren.streamgrid.net 
2015-05-01 17:08 <nebadon> k
2015-05-01 17:09 <nebadon> I will forward that info to Justin
2015-05-01 17:09 <lkalif> it's a generic web server page for now
2015-05-01 17:11 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-01 17:11 <nebadon> i pointed libomv.osgrid.org to it for now as well
2015-05-01 17:11 <nebadon> and I just emailed justin to point to opensimulator.org
2015-05-01 17:12 <lkalif> actually hold on
2015-05-01 17:12 <lkalif> it running
2015-05-01 17:12 <nebadon> yea I see nginx page
2015-05-01 17:12 <lkalif> no
2015-05-01 17:13 <lkalif> the web side is up, just needs dns
2015-05-01 17:13 <lkalif> sec
2015-05-01 17:13 <nebadon> k
2015-05-01 17:13 <nebadon> ya no rush
2015-05-01 17:16 <diva> hi lkalif! Good to see you back!
2015-05-01 17:17 <nebadon> you should have owner level access on libomv github down diva
2015-05-01 17:17 <nebadon> down=now*
2015-05-01 17:17 <Plugh> no one with admin access to github? Isn't there a way to get that situation corrected?
2015-05-01 17:18 <diva> yes, I do. Thanks lkalif
2015-05-01 17:18 <nebadon> it is now Plugh
2015-05-01 17:18 <nebadon> lkalif was the only one, now diva and justin do to
2015-05-01 17:19 <Plugh> ok. I might have misread something in the scrollback.
2015-05-01 17:19 <nebadon> :)
2015-05-01 17:20 <Plugh> One situation with this new case/MB combo is I have two chassis fans but the MB only has a single connector for a chassis fan
2015-05-01 17:21 <nebadon> you can get adapters for sata style or molex style connectors
2015-05-01 17:22 <lkalif> diva: thanks
2015-05-01 17:22 <nebadon> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812423172&cm_re=molex_fan_power_adapter-_-12-423-172-_-Product
2015-05-01 17:22 <Plugh> There won't be any control over fan speed or monitoring of the fan
2015-05-01 17:22 <nebadon> true
2015-05-01 17:22 <diva> how are you feeling lkalif? 
2015-05-01 17:23 <Plugh> nebadon: I discovered newegg sells Makerbots and Raspberry Pi's
2015-05-01 17:24 <BlueWall> ohh, I ordered that Banana Pi router today.
2015-05-01 17:24 <nebadon> nice!
2015-05-01 17:24 <lkalif> libomv.opensimulator.org a CNAME to vhost.sourceforge.net
2015-05-01 17:25 <Plugh> Good stuff. Looked interesting
2015-05-01 17:25 <lkalif> insert that 
2015-05-01 17:25 <lkalif> and
2015-05-01 17:25 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-01 17:25 <lkalif> *.libomv.opensimulator.org a CNAME to vhost.sourceforge.net
2015-05-01 17:26 <lkalif> wildcard
2015-05-01 17:26 <nebadon> k
2015-05-01 17:26 <lkalif> diva: doing better, thanks
2015-05-01 17:27 <lkalif> got my laptop today lol
2015-05-01 17:27 <BlueWall> :)
2015-05-01 17:28 <nebadon> ok i emailed justin with the updated info
2015-05-01 17:28 <nebadon> also let him know about the admin access on github
2015-05-01 17:29 <diva> lol
2015-05-01 17:38 <diva> how many months were you without email and Internet, lkalif?
2015-05-01 17:45 <lkalif> diva: since january
2015-05-01 17:45 <diva> oh wow. Thatmust have been what made you get better!
2015-05-01 17:46 <diva> I need a vacation from the Internet too :)
2015-05-01 17:46 <diva> especailly email
2015-05-01 17:48 <BeyBar> lkalif, you just ruined this story: http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2015/05/content-in-peril-at-one-man-shops/ ;)
2015-05-01 17:57 <nebadon> lkalif how does that vhost.sourceforge.net thing work?
2015-05-01 17:57 <nebadon> it redirects based on domain or something?
2015-05-01 17:58 <lkalif> nebadon: it's free server
2015-05-01 17:58 <nebadon> ya
2015-05-01 17:58 <nebadon> and you just list your domain names in some control panel or something
2015-05-01 17:58 <lkalif> by cource forge
2015-05-01 17:58 <nebadon> and then they redirect using vhosts?
2015-05-01 17:58 <nebadon> I was just wondering cause i had added it to libomv.osgrid.org to test
2015-05-01 17:59 <nebadon> and it says URL doesnt exist or something
2015-05-01 17:59 <nebadon> I was just wondering how it worked
2015-05-01 17:59 <lkalif> try putting this line in your /etc7hosts
2015-05-01 17:59 <lkalif> 216.34.181.97 openmetaverse.org
2015-05-01 17:59 <nebadon> ah yea could test locally
2015-05-01 18:00 <nebadon> ah ok
2015-05-01 18:00 <lkalif> openmetaverse.org shoud be visible after
2015-05-01 18:01 <nebadon> ok cool
2015-05-01 18:01 <lkalif> http://i.imgur.com/GLyQvfH.png
2015-05-01 18:01 <nebadon> ya
2015-05-01 18:01 <nebadon> thats what i saw
2015-05-01 18:07 <lkalif> SourceForge offers many great sevices
2015-05-01 18:08 <lkalif> php, mysql, shell login...
2015-05-01 18:08 <BlueWall> lkalif, they opensource their server too :)
2015-05-01 18:09 <lkalif> nice!
2015-05-01 18:11 <BlueWall> http://sourceforge.net/projects/allura/?source=directory
2015-05-01 18:12 <BlueWall> ASF has it now
2015-05-01 18:40 <osmantis> Bug #7552:04 Add the ability to do a backup of any region given its name ,Needs the AutoBackup module to be running 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7552 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-01 18:43 <osmantis> Bug #7552:04 Add the ability to do a backup of any region given its name ,Needs the AutoBackup module to be running 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7552 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-05-01 18:59 <H-H-H> hey BlueWall d
2015-05-01 19:02 <H-H-H> hey Bluewall do you mind taking a peek at http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7552
2015-05-01 19:03 <H-H-H> sorry wierd irc client crash
2015-05-01 19:08 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-01 19:10 <shyRob> http://libomv.osgrid.org doesn't lead to a project page. I get: This space is managed by SourceForge.net. You have attempted to access a URL that either never existed or is no longer active. Please check the source of your link and/or contact the maintainer of the link to have them update their records.
2015-05-01 19:56 <nebadon> shyRob ya that wont work 
2015-05-01 19:56 <nebadon> we are just waiting for justin to add it to opensimulator.org domain
2015-05-01 20:10 <dahlia> so who has commit access to libomv now?
2015-05-01 20:11 <dahlia> lkalif: glad to hear you're getting better :)
2015-05-01 20:20 <H-H-H> <<lkalif>> i can add diva and justin to admins
2015-05-01 20:20 <H-H-H> <<nebadon>> awesome, thanks, that would be great
2015-05-01 20:20 <H-H-H> <<BlueWall>> I have committed a couple of things, but a little wary to do too much.
2015-05-01 20:20 <H-H-H> <<lkalif>> let me do that
2015-05-01 20:20 <H-H-H> if that helps :)
2015-05-01 20:21 <dahlia> ty
2015-05-01 20:21 <nebadon> dahlia lkalif gave diva and justin ownership level access 
2015-05-01 20:21 <dahlia> ty
2015-05-01 21:31 <Plugh> nebadon: I can make my own adapter to go from molex to the fan by using one of the two Molex to floppy connectors that came with my computer.
2015-05-01 21:32 <Plugh> s/computer/power supply/
2015-05-01 21:37 <BlueWall_AFK> :)
2015-05-01 21:40 <Plugh> It's the advantage of working with Electronics. :)
2015-05-01 21:45 <dahlia> solder&shrinks ftw
2015-05-01 21:46 <BlueWall_AFK> have to keep some ribbon epoxy and jb weld on hand too :)
2015-05-01 22:32 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-01 22:44 <smxy> lkalif: Glad to hear you're feeling a bit better. :)
2015-05-02 00:11 <dahlia> has something changed with module loading in the last few weeks?
2015-05-02 00:12 <dahlia> which would prevent a module from loading?
2015-05-02 00:13 <nebadon> I dont think so
2015-05-02 00:13 <nebadon> the only module loading changes I recall which was actually some time ago, was all robust stuff
2015-05-02 00:13 <AllenKerensky> do you need to change an [assembly: AddinDependency ] line somewhere
2015-05-02 00:14 <Plugh> I remember a change to module loading but that was some time ago and did affect OpenSim instances.
2015-05-02 00:14 <nebadon> oh ya maybe that did effect simulator modules too
2015-05-02 00:14 <nebadon> but that was not in the last couple weeks
2015-05-02 00:14 <nebadon> diva can you explain?
2015-05-02 00:14 <diva> that was back in December
2015-05-02 00:14 <nebadon> thats what I thought
2015-05-02 00:15 <nebadon> i didnt think it was even this year
2015-05-02 00:16 <dahlia> hmmm
2015-05-02 00:16 <dahlia> was working a couple weeks ago
2015-05-02 00:18 <dahlia> ok guess somehow I commented the "assembly:" stuff
2015-05-02 00:18 <dahlia> (must have been a brain gremlin)
2015-05-02 00:21 <BlueWall_AFK> just rebuild your modules under the latest
2015-05-02 00:22 <dahlia> ya thats what I was trying to do
2015-05-02 00:22 <BlueWall_AFK> no go?
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2015-05-02 14:29 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-05-02 17:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #4143 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-02 17:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4143: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4143/
2015-05-02 17:39 <osjenkins> diva: Corrected typo in namespace
2015-05-02 21:50 <nebadon> hey there diva
2015-05-02 21:51 <nebadon> we seem to have a wierd HG problem
2015-05-02 21:51 <nebadon> that may have something to do with transfering inventory over HG between linux and windows simulators
2015-05-02 21:51 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7514
2015-05-02 21:51 <nebadon> gotten several reports of this
2015-05-02 21:51 <nebadon> any ideas?
2015-05-02 21:52 <nebadon> at first I thought it was some kind of misconfiguration
2015-05-02 21:52 <nebadon> but it seems unlikely it is
2015-05-02 21:53 <nebadon> maybe some kind of serialization difference between platforms
2015-05-02 22:51 <dahlia> nebadon: is that on osgrid?
2015-05-02 22:53 <dahlia> cant say ive had any problems transferring inventory from my linux/robust grid to people using windows
2015-05-02 23:11 <diva> have you reproduced it nebadon?
2015-05-02 23:26 <nebadon> I have not reproduced it all my machines are currently on linux
2015-05-02 23:26 <nebadon> i'll have to get a windows vm setup to run opensim
2015-05-02 23:27 <nebadon> I havent run opensim in windows for many years
2015-05-02 23:28 <nebadon> nor have I run a standalone
2015-05-02 23:28 <nebadon> I have a windows 8 vm on this machine let me see if i can get one working
2015-05-02 23:30 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-02 23:32 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-02 23:44 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-02 23:50 <nebadon> ok got a region running on windows
2015-05-02 23:50 <nebadon> logging in
2015-05-02 23:50 <nebadon> was able to HG to osgrid
2015-05-02 23:51 <nebadon> heh doh, have to relog so i can see my suitcase
2015-05-02 23:53 <nebadon> diva, fail sauce verified
2015-05-02 23:53 <nebadon> same exact thing
2015-05-02 23:54 <nebadon> 2 totally different objects too
2015-05-02 23:54 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/pAbwSdPd
2015-05-02 23:55 <dahlia> neb what's address of your windows region?
2015-05-02 23:55 <diva> neb can you find that object in the DB
2015-05-02 23:55 <diva> if I could see the XML that would be very helpful
2015-05-02 23:56 <diva> you can look for it first in your inventory by name
2015-05-02 23:56 <diva> then take the assetID that's in the inventory items table and grab that from the assets table
2015-05-02 23:56 <osmantis> Bug #7514:04 Can't rez items from OSGrid on my own grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7514 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2015-05-02 23:56 <nebadon> http://grid.nebadon2025.com:16161 HG1
2015-05-02 23:56 <nebadon> hmm
2015-05-02 23:56 <nebadon> how do i edit a sqlite database again?
2015-05-02 23:56 <nebadon> hehe
2015-05-02 23:57 <diva> sqlite3 I think
2015-05-02 23:57 <dahlia> theres a firefox plugin to do it
2015-05-02 23:57 <nebadon> hmmm let me install firefox then
2015-05-02 23:57 <nebadon> no other way?
2015-05-02 23:57 <dahlia> dunno
2015-05-02 23:57 <nebadon> http://sqlitebrowser.org/
2015-05-02 23:57 <nebadon> let me give this a shot
2015-05-02 23:57 <nebadon> i might need to down the region
2015-05-02 23:59 <nebadon> grr needs 2013 C++ redistributable
2015-05-02 23:59 <dahlia> nebadon: I just rezzed a scripted mesh thingie on your windows region that was in my suitcase
2015-05-02 23:59 <dahlia> and it works
2015-05-03 00:00 <nebadon> dahlia im not sure thats the problem
2015-05-03 00:00 <nebadon> the problem is if your home region is on windows
2015-05-03 00:00 <dahlia> oh
2015-05-03 00:00 <nebadon> and you go to a linux region and take something
2015-05-03 00:00 <nebadon> then bring it home
2015-05-03 00:00 <nebadon> it will not rez
2015-05-03 00:01 <dahlia> on any linux region, or osgrid?
2015-05-03 00:01 <nebadon> not sure
2015-05-03 00:01 <nebadon> i only tested OSgrid
2015-05-03 00:01 <nebadon> the mantis seems to imply its not just osgrid
2015-05-03 00:01 <dahlia> go to my grid and try
2015-05-03 00:01 <nebadon> k let me look at the DB
2015-05-03 00:01 <nebadon> diva what am I looking for in database
2015-05-03 00:01 <nebadon> inventory database?
2015-05-03 00:02 <dahlia> I know people who have home in windows have gone to my linux robust grid and got stuff and it worked
2015-05-03 00:02 <diva> start looking in inventory items
2015-05-03 00:02 <diva> search for that item with that name
2015-05-03 00:02 <diva> then see its assetID
2015-05-03 00:02 <diva> then search that assetID in the assets table
2015-05-03 00:03 <BlueWall> dahlia, what is your grid url?
2015-05-03 00:03 <nebadon> i see the 2 items in the database
2015-05-03 00:03 <nebadon> and they look good
2015-05-03 00:03 <nebadon> the URLs seem solid
2015-05-03 00:03 <dahlia> grid.wwweb3d.net:8002
2015-05-03 00:03 <diva> I need the assetID
2015-05-03 00:03 <nebadon> for creator and asset
2015-05-03 00:03 <nebadon> 7674592c-febe-4314-bb12-a4379ec920a1
2015-05-03 00:03 <nebadon> 7ba88731-3118-4284-adf9-a57c53ee3a00
2015-05-03 00:03 <nebadon> those are the asset uuids
2015-05-03 00:04 <nebadon> but thats not what the error refers to I dont think
2015-05-03 00:04 <nebadon> it says something about name
2015-05-03 00:04 <diva> which one is the object that failed to rez?
2015-05-03 00:04 <nebadon> in the error
2015-05-03 00:04 <nebadon> both of them
2015-05-03 00:04 <nebadon> i took 2 different items
2015-05-03 00:04 <diva> ok then grab the asset from the assets table
2015-05-03 00:04 <nebadon> k
2015-05-03 00:04 <diva> select * from assets where id=that
2015-05-03 00:05 <diva> they aseem to be coalesced objects?
2015-05-03 00:05 <nebadon> interesting
2015-05-03 00:05 <nebadon> and no
2015-05-03 00:05 <nebadon> these are not coallesced objects
2015-05-03 00:05 <nebadon> CreatorID on the asset = ;Nebadon Izumi
2015-05-03 00:06 <nebadon> that seems wrong
2015-05-03 00:06 <diva> I need the asset itself
2015-05-03 00:06 <diva> the blob should be xml
2015-05-03 00:07 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/HSUq6aws
2015-05-03 00:07 <nebadon> let me try to pull an asset from my personal grid
2015-05-03 00:08 <nebadon> which is also linux
2015-05-03 00:08 <nebadon> that works
2015-05-03 00:09 <nebadon> I suspect this is the :80 problem again
2015-05-03 00:09 <BlueWall> dahlia, It worked for me.
2015-05-03 00:09 <diva> the object was taken from osgrid and imported to your windows sim?
2015-05-03 00:09 <nebadon> let me try to pull assets back from OSgrid to my linux grid locally
2015-05-03 00:09 <dahlia> BlueWall: your grid windows?
2015-05-03 00:09 <BlueWall> no
2015-05-03 00:09 <BlueWall> yours is?
2015-05-03 00:09 <dahlia> nope
2015-05-03 00:09 <dahlia> linux/robust
2015-05-03 00:09 <BlueWall> ohh, lol, ok
2015-05-03 00:10 <dahlia> lol
2015-05-03 00:10 <dahlia> you can visit anyway ;)
2015-05-03 00:10 <BlueWall> I thought it was windows and thought I'd give ita try.
2015-05-03 00:11 <dahlia> I used to run my osgrid regions on windows but havent for several years
2015-05-03 00:11 <nebadon> interesting diva
2015-05-03 00:12 <nebadon> from OSgrid to my Linux grid its fine
2015-05-03 00:12 <dahlia> 
ACTION falls pretty firmly into the windows for desktop, linux for server camp

2015-05-03 00:12 <nebadon> but from OSgrid to Windows == Fail
2015-05-03 00:12 <BlueWall> I went back and made a landmark so I can visit again later.
2015-05-03 00:12 <nebadon> it looks like the :80 thing again maybe
2015-05-03 00:12 <nebadon> .net is dropping :80
2015-05-03 00:12 <nebadon> is my best guess
2015-05-03 00:13 <diva> no
2015-05-03 00:13 <diva> there's something wrong with that xml
2015-05-03 00:13 <nebadon> k
2015-05-03 00:13 <Ken_S> nebadon, I run my test grid on windows, and this has been going on for some time.
2015-05-03 00:13 <nebadon> in noticed the URL in the XML though
2015-05-03 00:13 <nebadon> is missing :80
2015-05-03 00:13 <diva> nope
2015-05-03 00:13 <nebadon> <CreatorData>http://users.osgrid.org/;Nebadon Izumi</CreatorData>
2015-05-03 00:13 <nebadon> thats wrong isnt it?
2015-05-03 00:14 <diva> the problem is that the SceneObjectPart has some additional fields that probably shuldn't be there
2015-05-03 00:14 <nebadon> k
2015-05-03 00:14 <diva> let me check some assets on my db
2015-05-03 00:14 <nebadon> okie dokie, thanks
2015-05-03 00:14 <diva> but I tll you one thing neb
2015-05-03 00:15 <nebadon> if you need to grab so osgrid assets > http://hg.osgrid.org:80 Sisyphus
2015-05-03 00:15 <diva> this has nothing to do with HG
2015-05-03 00:15 <nebadon> i was using the Orange Egg chair
2015-05-03 00:15 <nebadon> diva im told it doesnt happen inside the grid
2015-05-03 00:15 <diva> can you do another test please
2015-05-03 00:15 <diva> can you connect that windows simulator to osgrid
2015-05-03 00:15 <nebadon> sure
2015-05-03 00:15 <diva> and try to rez that object in there
2015-05-03 00:15 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-03 00:19 <Dev_Random> any chance it's because of the double "xmlns"?  trying to use "xmlns:xsi" as a namespace ?
2015-05-03 00:20 <diva> yes that's the part that's wrong
2015-05-03 00:21 <nebadon> diva it works fine internally
2015-05-03 00:21 <nebadon> going from Linux region to a Windows region
2015-05-03 00:22 <nebadon> with local osgrid avatar
2015-05-03 00:22 <diva> do you have access to the osgrid db?
2015-05-03 00:22 <diva> can you grab that asset direclty from there?
2015-05-03 00:22 <nebadon> the asset db?
2015-05-03 00:22 <diva> yes
2015-05-03 00:22 <nebadon> id rather not honestly
2015-05-03 00:23 <nebadon> i dont like touching the asset server
2015-05-03 00:23 <diva> well something is adding trash to to it, I don't know if it's at the source or somewhere else
2015-05-03 00:23 <nebadon> well its working internally
2015-05-03 00:23 <nebadon> so that says something
2015-05-03 00:23 <diva> how did you do it internally?
2015-05-03 00:23 <nebadon> i logged directly to linux region
2015-05-03 00:23 <nebadon> took an object
2015-05-03 00:23 <nebadon> teleported to the windows region and rezzed it
2015-05-03 00:24 <diva> I just need that one read from the assets table in osgrid...
2015-05-03 00:24 <diva> sam eUUID and all
2015-05-03 00:24 <nebadon> maybe Melanie_T is here?
2015-05-03 00:25 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-05-03 00:25 <nebadon> id prefer she do it
2015-05-03 00:25 <nebadon> can you pull an asset from asset server
2015-05-03 00:25 <nebadon> problem is I dont know the asset uuid
2015-05-03 00:25 <nebadon> i dont think there is an easy way to get that
2015-05-03 00:25 <nebadon> without db diving
2015-05-03 00:25 <nebadon> or can that be done from the region console some how?
2015-05-03 00:26 <Melanie_T> without the uuid there is no way to find an asset
2015-05-03 00:26 <diva> he has the uuid
2015-05-03 00:26 <diva> I just need to see the xml
2015-05-03 00:27 <nebadon> so the uuid wont change from grid to grid diva?
2015-05-03 00:27 <diva> no
2015-05-03 00:27 <Melanie_T> fsassets has a show asset command
2015-05-03 00:27 <Melanie_T> it shows the metadata and a hex excerpt of the data
2015-05-03 00:27 <Melanie_T> for anything more, you need to go to the database
2015-05-03 00:27 <diva> there's an extra xmlns being added
2015-05-03 00:28 <nebadon> 7674592c-febe-4314-bb12-a4379ec920a1
2015-05-03 00:28 <diva> no idea what is doing that
2015-05-03 00:28 <nebadon> I have never touched the fsassets console Melanie_T
2015-05-03 00:28 <nebadon> to be honest I am not sure I even have access from this machine 
2015-05-03 00:28 <nebadon> danbanner and AllenKerensky have been manning the consoles
2015-05-03 00:29 <nebadon> I am not comfortable experimenting at this point heh
2015-05-03 00:29 <nebadon> not with all the recent asset issues
2015-05-03 00:31 <Melanie_T> http://pastebin.com/7XrQqXQj
2015-05-03 00:31 <Melanie_T> the declaration is typical for .net
2015-05-03 00:31 <Melanie_T> and it's good
2015-05-03 00:31 <nebadon> thanks!
2015-05-03 00:31 <diva> ok, so something else is rewriting that
2015-05-03 00:32 <nebadon> from what has been reported to me, its only happening on HG
2015-05-03 00:32 <diva> HG rewrites assets
2015-05-03 00:32 <diva> but it's not touchng that particular node
2015-05-03 00:33 <nebadon> ya its strange only windows does it too
2015-05-03 00:33 <diva> so maybe the Xml library in mono is messing up
2015-05-03 00:33 <nebadon> so maybe something in .net vs mono?
2015-05-03 00:33 <nebadon> well it works fine mono to mono
2015-05-03 00:33 <nebadon> its mono to .net
2015-05-03 00:33 <diva> maybe .net is more restrictive with those names in there
2015-05-03 00:33 <nebadon> im more likely to blame .net
2015-05-03 00:33 <diva> no
2015-05-03 00:33 <diva> the rewrite is done at the osgrid side
2015-05-03 00:34 <nebadon> let me pull the asset from my local asset database
2015-05-03 00:34 <nebadon> on my linux grid where it is working
2015-05-03 00:35 <diva> ok, was that hg too?
2015-05-03 00:36 <nebadon> yes
2015-05-03 00:40 <nebadon> the assetID changed on my linux grid
2015-05-03 00:41 <diva> ?
2015-05-03 00:41 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/9BsBWYKj
2015-05-03 00:41 <nebadon> the asset uuid in inventory table was different
2015-05-03 00:42 <nebadon> than it was on the Windows standalone
2015-05-03 00:42 <nebadon> i could not find that asset id on my local grid
2015-05-03 00:43 <diva> hmm, actually the asset that melanie retrieved is not the same assets
2015-05-03 00:43 <nebadon> that is kind of scary
2015-05-03 00:43 <diva> maybe ids change I don't remember
2015-05-03 00:44 <diva> so that asset is ok
2015-05-03 00:44 <dahlia> maybe its the hash and not the same uuid as originally used
2015-05-03 00:44 <diva> but it's not the same asset either
2015-05-03 00:44 <nebadon> oh shit
2015-05-03 00:44 <nebadon> i see why
2015-05-03 00:44 <nebadon> i gave her the wrong one
2015-05-03 00:44 <nebadon> but
2015-05-03 00:44 <nebadon> that doesnt matter
2015-05-03 00:45 <nebadon> becaue that asset was also broken on my windows region
2015-05-03 00:45 <nebadon> let me get the right one
2015-05-03 00:45 <nebadon> I think my copy / paste failed
2015-05-03 00:45 <nebadon> and pasted previous uuid i had selected
2015-05-03 00:45 <nebadon> Melanie_T can you check this one
2015-05-03 00:45 <nebadon> 7674592c-febe-4314-bb12-a4379ec920a1
2015-05-03 00:45 <nebadon> sorry about that
2015-05-03 00:46 <nebadon> i suspect its fine though too
2015-05-03 00:46 <nebadon> since the other one was fine
2015-05-03 00:46 <nebadon> sometimes when i copy paste from the VM to host it doesnt work
2015-05-03 00:46 <Melanie_T> that is the same id
2015-05-03 00:46 <nebadon> really?
2015-05-03 00:46 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-05-03 00:47 <diva> 7ba88731-3118-4284-adf9-a57c53ee3a00
2015-05-03 00:47 <diva> that's the one that's borked
2015-05-03 00:47 <nebadon> hmm
2015-05-03 00:47 <nebadon> I dont have that uuid in my windows standalone
2015-05-03 00:48 <nebadon> oh i do
2015-05-03 00:48 <nebadon> thats the racer though
2015-05-03 00:48 <nebadon> i was testing with the egg chair
2015-05-03 00:48 <diva> yes, that's the one you showed me
2015-05-03 00:48 <nebadon> was it?
2015-05-03 00:48 <nebadon> wtf
2015-05-03 00:48 <diva> http://pastebin.com/HSUq6aws
2015-05-03 00:48 <nebadon> hmm i thought i was using the egg chair damn it
2015-05-03 00:48 <nebadon> i think copy paste failed again grr
2015-05-03 00:49 <nebadon> let me check on my local grid again with that item
2015-05-03 00:50 <Melanie_T> http://pastebin.com/DAEN6XUR
2015-05-03 00:51 <Melanie_T> going to charge you for each time i have to enter that password
2015-05-03 00:51 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-03 00:51 <Melanie_T> i need a passwordless way to get to the twins
2015-05-03 00:51 <Melanie_T> this is driving me up the wall
2015-05-03 00:52 <diva> thanks, Melanie_T. that's the asset and it's good
2015-05-03 00:52 <Melanie_T> yw
2015-05-03 00:53 <diva> it can only be mono xml messing up
2015-05-03 00:53 <nebadon> the asset uuid is definitely changing from OSgrid to my local Linux grid
2015-05-03 00:53 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/SCWDWhKh
2015-05-03 00:53 <nebadon> wierd it doesnt change from OSgrid > Windows Standalone
2015-05-03 00:54 <diva> see, it's wrong there too
2015-05-03 00:54 <diva> except that mono xml doesn't care
2015-05-03 00:54 <nebadon> hmm but it does rez
2015-05-03 00:54 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-03 00:54 <nebadon> ok well glad we cleared that up
2015-05-03 00:54 <diva> well, what can I say, mono introduced a bug there
2015-05-03 00:54 <nebadon> apparantly this has been happening for a while
2015-05-03 00:55 <nebadon> Ken_S how long have you been experiencing this problem?
2015-05-03 00:55 <diva> Melanie_T do we need tohose namespace declarations at all?
2015-05-03 00:55 <Melanie_T> .net generates them but dowsn't require them
2015-05-03 00:55 <Melanie_T> it will decode perfectly fine without them
2015-05-03 00:55 <Melanie_T> what it cares about is the field tags and their order
2015-05-03 00:55 <Melanie_T> and on assets, not even that
2015-05-03 00:56 <nebadon> so where would this be fixed?
2015-05-03 00:56 <Melanie_T> because SOP has a handwritten serializer/deseralizer because otherwise adding new fields ouljd be impossible
2015-05-03 00:56 <Melanie_T> would*
2015-05-03 00:56 <diva> so I can safely remove them out of there?
2015-05-03 00:57 <nebadon> is this simulator fix? robust inventory fix? asset server fix?
2015-05-03 00:57 <Melanie_T> no fix
2015-05-03 00:57 <Melanie_T> they WILL be generated
2015-05-03 00:57 <Melanie_T> mono/.net can't do any different
2015-05-03 00:57 <Melanie_T> we don't put them there
2015-05-03 00:57 <Melanie_T> mono/.net does
2015-05-03 00:57 <nebadon> but they do it differently?
2015-05-03 00:57 <nebadon> lovely
2015-05-03 00:57 <diva> we are putting them there!
2015-05-03 00:58 <Melanie_T> not tht i'm aware of but on read, they are ignored so what is the harm?
2015-05-03 00:58 <diva> SceneObjectSerializer lines 1282 - 1283
2015-05-03 00:58 <Melanie_T> then that was duplicated from .net behavior
2015-05-03 00:58 <diva> so maybe we should jusyt not put them there?
2015-05-03 00:58 <Melanie_T> because early versions of the serializer needed to be compatible with automatic serialization
2015-05-03 00:59 <Melanie_T> since there were still sims that  used it
2015-05-03 00:59 <Melanie_T> but i don't understand what harm they're doing?
2015-05-03 00:59 <diva> well
2015-05-03 00:59 <diva> they're harmless, except that mono seems to have a bug when rewriting them 
2015-05-03 01:00 <diva> I'm rewriting assets xml on HG transfers. it looks like when I do doc.write, mono has a big there
2015-05-03 01:00 <diva> and duplicates xmlns:
2015-05-03 01:00 <Melanie_T> why is it rewritten?
2015-05-03 01:00 <diva> doc.Save
2015-05-03 01:01 <diva> I'm adding more things related to the creator
2015-05-03 01:01 <diva> putting the URL of the grid it came from etc
2015-05-03 01:01 <diva> then I do doc.Save, and apparently that's where mono messes up
2015-05-03 01:01 <Melanie_T> the solution is not to break what's working
2015-05-03 01:01 <dahlia> is this a mono version dependent thing?
2015-05-03 01:02 <diva> probably dahlia
2015-05-03 01:02 <Melanie_T> instead, create a new document
2015-05-03 01:02 <Melanie_T> then reparent the root node from the old into the new
2015-05-03 01:02 <dahlia> kk I have mono 3.99.something on my grid
2015-05-03 01:02 <Melanie_T> it will have no xmlns
2015-05-03 01:02 <Melanie_T> then save that
2015-05-03 01:04 <diva> ok, neb, I'm going to try to fix it at the HGAsset service level only
2015-05-03 01:05 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-03 01:05 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-03 01:05 <nebadon> will that require asset server update?
2015-05-03 01:05 <nebadon> thats Melanie_T land if so
2015-05-03 01:05 <nebadon> or is that gatekeeper?
2015-05-03 01:06 <Melanie_T> HGAssetService
2015-05-03 01:06 <Melanie_T> it's separate
2015-05-03 01:06 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-03 01:06 <nebadon> i can do that then
2015-05-03 01:06 <Melanie_T> Assets, XAssets, FSAssets, are unaware of HG
2015-05-03 01:06 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-03 01:06 <nebadon> this is a robust fix right?
2015-05-03 01:06 <nebadon> or is it Region level?
2015-05-03 01:08 <diva> robust the part that has the HG services
2015-05-03 01:08 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-03 01:25 <nebadon> be back in a few i need food
2015-05-03 01:59 <nebadon> back :)
2015-05-03 02:01 <Plugh> front  :)
2015-05-03 02:02 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-03 02:02 <Plugh> wow. Can't believe its just after 10pm already. Been spending time with the family today.
2015-05-03 02:03 <nebadon> how is the computer holding up?
2015-05-03 02:03 <Plugh> nebadon: I found MS's official word on Windows and MB replacements. It comes down to using the CD to re-install.
2015-05-03 02:04 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-03 02:04 <Plugh> So far, so good. I just haven't had much time to really do much with it yet with the putting it together then trying to tweak a few things then afk most of today as the whole family was together to help celebrate my birthday.
2015-05-03 02:05 <nebadon> ah ya cool :)
2015-05-03 02:05 <Plugh> It was yesterday but one family member was working that day so we did the bday thing today.
2015-05-03 02:06 <dahlia> happy bday :)
2015-05-03 02:06 <dahlia> 
ACTION demands cake and ice cream

2015-05-03 02:07 <Plugh> ty, dahlia. 
2015-05-03 02:07 <Plugh> I had some cake but it was just some of the nice chocolate from a local store rather than a special birthday one. I don't like those cakes with tons of frosting on them.
2015-05-03 02:08 <Plugh> The cake I had was just the desert after lunch. 
2015-05-03 02:08 <nebadon> sssshhh im on low carb diet, no talk of cake!!!!
2015-05-03 02:08 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-03 02:08 <Plugh> hehe
2015-05-03 02:08 <nebadon> im on day 3, sucks, totally cut out all bread/pasta/grain
2015-05-03 02:09 <Plugh> No pasta? :P
2015-05-03 02:09 <dahlia> Ive been eating low carb for.... 12 years?... hmmm
2015-05-03 02:09 <nebadon> nope thoguh I can live without pasta for a while
2015-05-03 02:09 <nebadon> bread is killing me
2015-05-03 02:09 <Plugh> No grains? That would cut out either oatmeal or most of the alternative cereals with milk I would have for breakfast.
2015-05-03 02:09 <nebadon> yea, I got a huge tub of Almonds lol
2015-05-03 02:10 <dahlia> I eat some carbs, just not crappy ones except on rare occasions
2015-05-03 02:10 <nebadon> yea have to eat some
2015-05-03 02:10 <dahlia> mostly high fiber stuff when I eat carbs
2015-05-03 02:11 <dahlia> oatmeal isnt too bad if it's not instant 
2015-05-03 02:11 <Plugh> dahlia: The stuff I have is instant. Quaker oatmeal. Just add boiling water.
2015-05-03 02:12 <dahlia> instant bad because they cook all the fiber out of it
2015-05-03 02:13 <Plugh>  It isn't the mush oatmeal that you can get.
2015-05-03 02:18 <dahlia> its the process that makes it instant that ruins it
2015-05-03 02:19 <dahlia> but if you have good weight and arent diabetic or pre-diabetic, probably no big deal
2015-05-03 02:19 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-05-03 02:22 <Plugh> This is one of the ones I often have in the morning -> http://www.quakeroats.com/products/hot-cereals/instant-oatmeal/apples-with-cinnamon.aspx
2015-05-03 02:34 <dahlia> impressive looking web site :)
2015-05-03 02:34 <dahlia> 
ACTION passes

2015-05-03 03:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #4144 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-03 03:41 <nebadon> heh good timing :)
2015-05-03 03:42 <osmantis> Bug #7514:04 Can't rez items from OSGrid on my own grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7514 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-03 03:42 <diva> you may want to test it...
2015-05-03 03:43 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-03 03:43 <nebadon> let me see if I get the same failure from my local grid to windows standalone
2015-05-03 03:43 <nebadon> then upgrade that one first
2015-05-03 03:43 <diva> those objects that are bad after being copied may stay bad forever
2015-05-03 03:43 <nebadon> ya that sucks
2015-05-03 03:43 <diva> I think this may only started happening when osgrid upgraded mono
2015-05-03 03:43 <diva> it's probably a new bug in mono
2015-05-03 03:44 <diva> cos this was not happening before
2015-05-03 03:44 <nebadon> we havent updated mono on the osgrid main server in a long time
2015-05-03 03:45 <nebadon> 3.1.0
2015-05-03 03:45 <diva> then that must have been when it started happening
2015-05-03 03:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4144: SUCCESS in 4 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4144/
2015-05-03 03:45 <osjenkins> diva: Mantis #7514
2015-05-03 03:45 <nebadon> maybe
2015-05-03 03:45 <nebadon> i should probably upgrade it
2015-05-03 03:47 <nebadon> hmm
2015-05-03 03:47 <nebadon> ya maybe its mono on that machine
2015-05-03 03:47 <nebadon> because It does not fail from my personal grid to the windows standalone
2015-05-03 03:47 <nebadon> its only OSgrid
2015-05-03 03:48 <nebadon> ok well only way for me to test this is to upgrade OSgrid
2015-05-03 03:48 <diva> mon xml processiong is a bit flaky. This is not the first flakiness I see in that part of mono
2015-05-03 03:53 <nebadon> didnt fix the problem
2015-05-03 03:54 <nebadon> maybe I should upgrade mono
2015-05-03 03:54 <nebadon> see if that resolves it
2015-05-03 03:54 <diva> what do you mean?
2015-05-03 03:54 <diva> it should fix the problem even with a bad mono
2015-05-03 03:54 <diva> unless you have the object already on the receiving grid
2015-05-03 03:55 <nebadon> hmm ok
2015-05-03 03:55 <nebadon> let me try something different then
2015-05-03 03:55 <diva> in which case there's nothing you can do except deleting the object from the DB
2015-05-03 03:55 <nebadon> i tried the chair again
2015-05-03 03:55 <nebadon> that sucks
2015-05-03 03:55 <diva> ah. it's a;ready on your grid
2015-05-03 03:55 <nebadon> that really sucks
2015-05-03 03:55 <nebadon> man there is no way people are going to be able to resolve that
2015-05-03 03:55 <nebadon> talking about 100s if not 1000s of items
2015-05-03 03:56 <nebadon> this has likely been a problem for years
2015-05-03 03:56 <diva> I doubt it
2015-05-03 03:56 <nebadon> this server hasnt been upgraded in a long time
2015-05-03 03:56 <nebadon> years
2015-05-03 03:56 <diva> 3.1.0 is not that old
2015-05-03 03:56 <nebadon> its been well over a year
2015-05-03 03:56 <nebadon> im the only one who does these upgrades
2015-05-03 03:58 <nebadon> even new things are still failing
2015-05-03 03:58 <nebadon> seems to be no change in behavior
2015-05-03 03:58 <diva> ok, show the their xmls
2015-05-03 03:58 <nebadon> unless i need to restart the osgrid region
2015-05-03 03:58 <diva> did you change the right server?
2015-05-03 03:58 <nebadon> hehe
2015-05-03 03:58 <nebadon> of course
2015-05-03 03:58 <diva> which one?
2015-05-03 03:59 <nebadon> osgrid robust
2015-05-03 03:59 <nebadon> show info shows proper version
2015-05-03 03:59 <diva> is the one that runs HGAssetService?
2015-05-03 03:59 <nebadon> osgrid login # show info
2015-05-03 03:59 <nebadon> Version: OpenSim 0.8.2.0 Dev        365f46b (interface version 7)
2015-05-03 03:59 <nebadon> Startup directory: /home/osgrid/grid/opensim/opensim-365f46b/bin
2015-05-03 03:59 <nebadon> Console log level: ALL
2015-05-03 03:59 <nebadon> its the only robust sever
2015-05-03 03:59 <nebadon> other than fsassets
2015-05-03 03:59 <nebadon> there is no other server
2015-05-03 04:00 <nebadon> its 13 robust consoles
2015-05-03 04:00 <nebadon> all are upgraded and restarted
2015-05-03 04:00 <diva> well show me the xmls
2015-05-03 04:00 <nebadon> from where?
2015-05-03 04:00 <nebadon> on windows standalone?
2015-05-03 04:00 <diva> inventory item -> assetID -> assets table
2015-05-03 04:00 <diva> yes
2015-05-03 04:01 <diva> and show me the exception
2015-05-03 04:02 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/XXEjLz9G
2015-05-03 04:03 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/pizET80n
2015-05-03 04:03 <diva> well this is impossible, let me tell you. YOU either have the asset already on your grid or else osgrid is not runnign the new code...
2015-05-03 04:03 <nebadon> nope
2015-05-03 04:03 <nebadon> this is a brand new standalone
2015-05-03 04:03 <nebadon> i just started it
2015-05-03 04:03 <diva> with what DB?
2015-05-03 04:03 <nebadon> and OSgrid is absolutely running the latest code
2015-05-03 04:03 <nebadon> yea its a sqlite db
2015-05-03 04:04 <nebadon> no association to anything
2015-05-03 04:04 <nebadon> brand new VM
2015-05-03 04:04 <nebadon> never used it for anything before
2015-05-03 04:05 <nebadon> i just double checked every robust console
2015-05-03 04:05 <nebadon> all updated for sure
2015-05-03 04:05 <diva> you're gonna make me have to write a test client...
2015-05-03 04:06 <diva> what's osgrid's asset server URL?
2015-05-03 04:06 <diva> for HG?
2015-05-03 04:06 <nebadon> http://hg.osgrid.org:80
2015-05-03 04:13 <nebadon> I am compiling mono 3.12.1 on the robust box
2015-05-03 04:13 <nebadon> i can wait on switching over
2015-05-03 04:13 <nebadon> but if we cant find a solution that will be the next thing to test
2015-05-03 04:13 <diva> please wait
2015-05-03 04:13 <nebadon> I am
2015-05-03 04:13 <diva> the fix should work with a bad mono
2015-05-03 04:14 <nebadon> yea, and even if we do fix it, I plan on upgrading
2015-05-03 04:14 <nebadon> I am thinking maybe I should try running OSgrid robust with Release version 
2015-05-03 04:14 <nebadon> probably wouldnt make much of a difference
2015-05-03 04:15 <nebadon> I cant even remember the last time we had to look at an error on those consoles
2015-05-03 04:15 <nebadon> wouldnt be hard to switch back if we did
2015-05-03 04:17 <diva> that object, SLonopoly Hat: do you know its asset id in osgrid?
2015-05-03 04:18 <diva> oh wait
2015-05-03 04:18 <dahlia> so is the region the only thing that affects that xmlns thing? do I need to updare robust also?
2015-05-03 04:19 <dahlia> I dont think robust does any asset serialization does it? or is it something besides assets?
2015-05-03 04:21 <nebadon> well it seems to be isolated to OSgrid whatever the problem
2015-05-03 04:21 <nebadon> i cant make it happen with my local Linux grid
2015-05-03 04:21 <diva> dahlia HGAsset Service does asset rewriting
2015-05-03 04:21 <nebadon> hypergridding into my local linux grid from the windows standalone and taking an asset back, it rezzes fine
2015-05-03 04:21 <dahlia> ah ok ty
2015-05-03 04:21 <dahlia> but I have mono 3.99.x, so maybe doesnt have the bug
2015-05-03 04:22 <dahlia> but I'll update anyway
2015-05-03 04:22 <nebadon> i have mono 3.12.1 on my local grid
2015-05-03 04:22 <nebadon> and it doesnt happen
2015-05-03 04:22 <nebadon> seems like possibly a bug in mono 3.1
2015-05-03 04:22 <nebadon> which would not surprise me
2015-05-03 04:22 <dahlia> lol certainly doesnt surprise me
2015-05-03 04:22 <diva> I can't find asset 880e3689-6c9b-4bc4-804d-49a58eb0f868 on os grid...
2015-05-03 04:22 <nebadon> ya im quite certain the asset ids are changing
2015-05-03 04:22 <nebadon> none of the uuids lined up for me
2015-05-03 04:23 <nebadon> and i probably have like 80 copies of that item in my osgrid inventory
2015-05-03 04:23 <diva> do you have access to your console of the sim that's in osgrid? It should print those asset ids there when they are being copied
2015-05-03 04:23 <dahlia> nebadon: could you try grabbing something from my grid using your windows avie?
2015-05-03 04:23 <nebadon> I do diva
2015-05-03 04:23 <diva> can you give me an asset id for an asset that's it's still behaving badly?
2015-05-03 04:24 <nebadon> how do i get it from the region console?
2015-05-03 04:24 <nebadon> can i even?
2015-05-03 04:24 <diva> when assets are copied, it prints there
2015-05-03 04:24 <diva> if they aren't copied (becausde they already exist on the other grid) it doesn't print
2015-05-03 04:25 <diva> so you have it at leat in the log file
2015-05-03 04:25 <nebadon> i have already wiped my windows region
2015-05-03 04:25 <nebadon> fresh dbs
2015-05-03 04:25 <diva> osgrid
2015-05-03 04:25 <nebadon> let me take a copy of the object we have been using
2015-05-03 04:25 <nebadon> 1 sec
2015-05-03 04:26 <nebadon> 00:26:08 - [AGENT INVENTORY]: Found folder Objects type Object for item SLonopoly Hat
2015-05-03 04:26 <nebadon> 00:26:08 - [HG ASSET MAPPER]: Starting to send asset 609bdbaf-a486-4481-a291-068b012e1239 with children to asset server http://grid.nebadon2025.com:16161
2015-05-03 04:26 <diva> hmm
2015-05-03 04:26 <dahlia> meh I'll just update everything
2015-05-03 04:27 <diva> are you sure it's hg.osgrid.org?
2015-05-03 04:27 <diva> cos I can't find the asset
2015-05-03 04:27 <nebadon> when we HG to osgrid
2015-05-03 04:27 <nebadon> its http://hg.osgrid.org:80 Sisyphus
2015-05-03 04:27 <nebadon> most of our services are configured differently
2015-05-03 04:28 <nebadon> let me show you are region config
2015-05-03 04:28 <nebadon> 1 sec
2015-05-03 04:28 <diva> where is your HGAssetService>
2015-05-03 04:28 <diva> it's not the region
2015-05-03 04:28 <diva> this has nothing to do with the region
2015-05-03 04:28 <diva> the ocnfig wouldn't be there
2015-05-03 04:28 <nebadon> where would it be then?
2015-05-03 04:28 <diva> in one of the robusts
2015-05-03 04:28 <diva> grep for HGAssetService
2015-05-03 04:28 <nebadon> well we have 13 robust consoles minus assets
2015-05-03 04:29 <diva> actually check in the [LoginService] section
2015-05-03 04:29 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-03 04:29 <diva> SRV_AssetService
2015-05-03 04:29 <diva> or something like that
2015-05-03 04:30 <nebadon> well thats http://assets.osgrid.org
2015-05-03 04:30 <nebadon> but that is a completely different server
2015-05-03 04:30 <diva> ah!
2015-05-03 04:30 <nebadon> running melanies fsassets
2015-05-03 04:30 <nebadon> which she claims has no knowledge of HG
2015-05-03 04:30 <nebadon> i cant even update that one
2015-05-03 04:30 <nebadon> thats Melanie_T land
2015-05-03 04:30 <diva> I"m sure that's the one
2015-05-03 04:31 <diva> yep
2015-05-03 04:31 <nebadon> that server is likely running a much newer mono
2015-05-03 04:31 <nebadon> though I am not certain which one
2015-05-03 04:31 <nebadon> probably 3.12.1 maybe
2015-05-03 04:31 <nebadon> however it could be 2.10
2015-05-03 04:31 <nebadon> danbanner or Melanie_T could confirm
2015-05-03 04:31 <diva> well that's the robust that you need to upgrade
2015-05-03 04:31 <nebadon> I cant
2015-05-03 04:32 <nebadon> Melanie has said fsassets has zero knowledge of HG
2015-05-03 04:32 <nebadon> so we might be shit out of luck
2015-05-03 04:32 <diva> the robust there
2015-05-03 04:32 <nebadon> unless she can fix it
2015-05-03 04:32 <nebadon> it probably doenst even have this service configured
2015-05-03 04:32 <nebadon> maybe that is the proble
2015-05-03 04:32 <nebadon> Melanie_T you here?
2015-05-03 04:32 <diva> I"m sure it does, otherwise we wouldn't see the bug in the forst place
2015-05-03 04:33 <nebadon> well I can tell you without a doubt
2015-05-03 04:33 <nebadon> we never had this
2015-05-03 04:33 <nebadon> SRAS had no idea
2015-05-03 04:33 <nebadon> so if thats the case
2015-05-03 04:33 <nebadon> this has been a problem for 5 years
2015-05-03 04:33 <nebadon> easily
2015-05-03 04:33 <dahlia> whats date on the mantis?
2015-05-03 04:33 <nebadon> its new
2015-05-03 04:34 <nebadon> but Ken_S said he has experienced for a while
2015-05-03 04:34 <nebadon> but he never responded to me how long a while is
2015-05-03 04:34 <diva> you must have a robust server there somewhere
2015-05-03 04:34 <dahlia> but if its mono bug
2015-05-03 04:34 <nebadon> there is, but its running melanies fsassets
2015-05-03 04:34 <nebadon> and she said it has no HG stuff
2015-05-03 04:34 <nebadon> no concept of it
2015-05-03 04:34 <diva> wahat do you mean? A robust is a robust, it can run any service
2015-05-03 04:35 <nebadon> im just repeating what she said
2015-05-03 04:35 <nebadon> I have removed myself from asset maintenance
2015-05-03 04:35 <nebadon> its too much
2015-05-03 04:35 <nebadon> had to delegate
2015-05-03 04:35 <dahlia> lol
2015-05-03 04:35 <nebadon> but i can tell you SRAS had none of this
2015-05-03 04:35 <dahlia> I offered to help when osgrid crashed but hiro apparently wasnt interested in my help
2015-05-03 04:36 <diva> look, the SRV_AssetServer that yo hve in the [LoginService] seciton is the one that's used when assets are copiued from osgrid elsewhere
2015-05-03 04:36 <dahlia> so I am totally out of the loop :)
2015-05-03 04:36 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-03 04:36 <diva> show me your region config
2015-05-03 04:36 <nebadon> http://download.osgrid.org/GridCommon.ini.txt
2015-05-03 04:36 <nebadon> SRV_AssetServerURI = "http://assets.osgrid.org:80"
2015-05-03 04:37 <diva> omg this is likely wrong HomeURI = "http://hg.osgrid.org:80/user"
2015-05-03 04:37 <nebadon> what should it be?
2015-05-03 04:38 <diva> just HomeURI = "http://hg.osgrid.org:80
2015-05-03 04:38 <nebadon> hmm
2015-05-03 04:38 <nebadon> let me see what my region is configured as 
2015-05-03 04:39 <nebadon> not sure why it would be set for that
2015-05-03 04:40 <nebadon> hmm wierd I dont even have that set at all on my region
2015-05-03 04:40 <nebadon> I havent updated my region configs in ages though
2015-05-03 04:41 <nebadon> but its always just worked for me
2015-05-03 04:41 <nebadon> I have no idea why its set /user
2015-05-03 04:41 <diva> hold on
2015-05-03 04:41 <nebadon> k
2015-05-03 04:44 <diva> ok, it looks like this was a bug introduced by Justin back in October...
2015-05-03 04:44 <diva> and it's in the simulator, not in the HGAssetService
2015-05-03 04:44 <nebadon> ah ok
2015-05-03 04:44 <diva> he rewrote a part there
2015-05-03 04:45 <diva> and something is wrong
2015-05-03 04:46 <diva> oh man
2015-05-03 04:46 <diva> I had a method with about 15 lines of code, he replaced it with another with about 50. That introduced a bug somewhere...
2015-05-03 04:47 <nebadon> hmm
2015-05-03 04:47 <nebadon> i just updated my osgrid GridCommon.ini
2015-05-03 04:47 <nebadon> with one i posted before
2015-05-03 04:47 <nebadon> and i dropped the /user to test
2015-05-03 04:47 <nebadon> and I just noticed this on startup
2015-05-03 04:47 <nebadon> 00:45:59 - [USER AGENT CONNECTOR]: Malformed Uri : Absolute URI is too short
2015-05-03 04:47 <nebadon> any clue?
2015-05-03 04:48 <diva> no. but I know that /user is very likely wrong
2015-05-03 04:48 <nebadon> ok ya it happens with our without the /user
2015-05-03 04:48 <nebadon> its wierd though that hypergrid in general works well on OSGrid
2015-05-03 04:48 <nebadon> let me drop the /user and test
2015-05-03 04:48 <nebadon> what kind of stuff would be problematic?
2015-05-03 04:50 <nebadon> wierd there is a simiangrid mantis that has same error
2015-05-03 04:50 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6826
2015-05-03 04:52 <diva> I'm going to undo the commit I made before, because that was not it. Justin's bug is it
2015-05-03 04:52 <diva> now if only I can get my head around that code...
2015-05-03 04:54 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-03 04:56 <diva> it's still weird, though. Things should also fail between Windows and Windows
2015-05-03 04:57 <diva> did anyone try that?
2015-05-03 04:58 <nebadon> hmmm I havent
2015-05-03 04:58 <nebadon> I suppose I could try that
2015-05-03 04:58 <dahlia> undo? lol I just udated my entire grid
2015-05-03 04:58 <dahlia> :P :P
2015-05-03 04:58 <diva> what seems to be happening is that mono doesn't care about the double xmlns: whereas Windows does
2015-05-03 04:58 <nebadon> ok ya it probably does fail then
2015-05-03 04:58 <diva> and the xmlns: is being placed there by justin's code
2015-05-03 04:59 <dahlia> was that a recent addition?
2015-05-03 04:59 <nebadon> October
2015-05-03 05:00 <misterblue> Windows tends to be strict about XML schemas... Linux not so much
2015-05-03 05:00 <dahlia> wouldn't it also affect assets not on hypergrid?
2015-05-03 05:00 <dahlia> newly serialized?
2015-05-03 05:00 <diva> no dahli
2015-05-03 05:00 <diva> this is only hg code
2015-05-03 05:01 <dahlia> heh all my regions have 11fps
2015-05-03 05:02 <nebadon> yea thats part of the new stats code
2015-05-03 05:03 <dahlia> ya phase 1
2015-05-03 05:05 <nebadon> ok osgrid Robust upgraded to mono 3.12.1
2015-05-03 05:06 <nebadon> all seems well :)
2015-05-03 05:07 <dahlia> your windows avie successfully grap something?
2015-05-03 05:07 <dahlia> *grab
2015-05-03 05:07 <nebadon> no not yet
2015-05-03 05:07 <nebadon> this wasnt to resolve that
2015-05-03 05:08 <nebadon> diva is working on it
2015-05-03 05:08 <nebadon> but we determined that its not Robust
2015-05-03 05:08 <nebadon> its the Simulator
2015-05-03 05:08 <nebadon> so I am safe to move up now :)
2015-05-03 05:08 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-03 05:09 <misterblue> I've got to spend some time with the llCastRay patch...
2015-05-03 05:10 <nebadon> sweet
2015-05-03 05:10 <nebadon> I was just reading the latest comment
2015-05-03 05:12 <diva> ok, I think I fixed it
2015-05-03 05:13 <nebadon> nice
2015-05-03 05:13 <nebadon> will both sides need updating?
2015-05-03 05:13 <nebadon> or just OSGrid?
2015-05-03 05:14 <diva> just the sims in osgrid. but again. the bad assets will be bad
2015-05-03 05:14 <nebadon> right
2015-05-03 05:15 <diva> cd dev
2015-05-03 05:15 <diva> duh
2015-05-03 05:16 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-03 05:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #4145 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-03 05:20 <diva> neb try that -- that's a simulator update, the one in osgrid
2015-05-03 05:21 <osmantis> Bug #7514:04 Can't rez items from OSGrid on my own grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7514 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-03 05:22 <nebadon> already updating :)
2015-05-03 05:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4145: SUCCESS in 4 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4145/
2015-05-03 05:24 <osjenkins> * diva: It wasn't that. Revert "Mantis #7514"
2015-05-03 05:24 <osjenkins> * diva: Mantis #7514
2015-05-03 05:26 <diva> bummer that this made it to the release
2015-05-03 05:26 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-03 05:26 <diva> i'll need to do a D2 with this fix
2015-05-03 05:27 <nebadon> ya it should get pushed into the backport
2015-05-03 05:27 <nebadon> man git is super slow for me
2015-05-03 05:27 <diva> i'll do it as soon as you confirm that it;s fixe
2015-05-03 05:28 <nebadon> almost there
2015-05-03 05:30 <nebadon> yay
2015-05-03 05:30 <nebadon> its fixed
2015-05-03 05:30 <diva> great!
2015-05-03 05:30 <diva> i'll port it to post-fixes
2015-05-03 05:30 <nebadon> awesome
2015-05-03 05:31 <misterblue> 
ACTION collects tar and feathers for when justin returns

2015-05-03 05:31 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-03 05:31 <nebadon> he was at the last meeting
2015-05-03 05:31 <nebadon> said he was easing back into things should have more time soon
2015-05-03 05:34 <diva> ok, NN
2015-05-03 05:34 <nebadon> g'night diva, thanks a bunch!
2015-05-03 05:38 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-03 05:40 <dahlia> 
ACTION blames justincc even tho he isn't here to defend himself...

2015-05-03 05:43 <dahlia> so master has the fix for the hg stuffs now?
2015-05-03 05:43 <dahlia> and it's not a mono bug?
2015-05-03 05:46 <nebadon> yes
2015-05-03 05:47 <nebadon> it is a bug in mono yes
2015-05-03 05:47 <nebadon> but the fix was at the simulator level, not Robust
2015-05-03 05:47 <dahlia> k
2015-05-03 05:47 <Plugh> How is mono 4 for running OpenSIm?
2015-05-03 05:47 <dahlia> so wonder if 3.99 fixed it
2015-05-03 05:47 <nebadon> working well so far
2015-05-03 05:48 <dahlia> Ive had very good luck with 3.99
2015-05-03 05:48 <nebadon> however i suspect there may be a bug in the version im running 4.0.1
2015-05-03 05:48 <nebadon> because i just looked and mono website is now showing 4.0.0 as the release
2015-05-03 05:48 <nebadon> a few days ago it was 4.0.1
2015-05-03 05:48 <nebadon> but if there is a bug I havent noticed it
2015-05-03 05:48 <nebadon> possible it might be a bug on windows or mac
2015-05-03 05:48 <nebadon> and they just pulled the whole thing back
2015-05-03 05:49 <nebadon> interestingly the tarball is still marked 4.0.1
2015-05-03 05:51 <nebadon> im installing from their repo on my laptop to see what gets delivered
2015-05-03 05:52 <nebadon> repo is pushing out 4.0.1
2015-05-03 06:31 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-03 06:48 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-03 07:31 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-03 07:40 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-03 10:26 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-03 11:44 <frnic> Are there any special considerations for running mono 4.0.1 with OS?
2015-05-03 12:30 <osmantis> Bug #7553:04 occasionally avatars remain child agents when teleporting in to a region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7553 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-03 15:13 <danbanner> ping BlueWall
2015-05-03 15:13 <danbanner> is /p:Configuration=Release an xbuild thing? whats the switch for msbuild?
2015-05-03 15:15 <danbanner> ahh same thing
2015-05-03 15:16 <Plugh> ls
2015-05-03 16:05 <osmantis> Bug #7514:04 Can't rez items from OSGrid on my own grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7514 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-03 16:42 <osmantis> Bug #7514:04 Can't rez items from OSGrid on my own grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7514 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-03 16:59 <diva> nebadon ping
2015-05-03 17:08 <nebadon> hey there diva
2015-05-03 17:10 <diva> hi neb. Do you have any idea how the build process is triggered in the opensimulator box?
2015-05-03 17:10 <nebadon> hmmm no I am not sure
2015-05-03 17:10 <nebadon> Justin or Melanie may
2015-05-03 17:11 <nebadon> you mean for releases?
2015-05-03 17:11 <diva> I mean everytime we push
2015-05-03 17:11 <nebadon> oh
2015-05-03 17:11 <Melanie_T> diva: read the scroll earlier
2015-05-03 17:11 <nebadon> yes that is Jenkins
2015-05-03 17:11 <Melanie_T> where exactlyis this HG rewriting of assets done?
2015-05-03 17:11 <Melanie_T> in code?
2015-05-03 17:11 <diva> Melanie_T yes, but that bug is fixed
2015-05-03 17:12 <Melanie_T> as for jenkins - it's triggered by a git hook
2015-05-03 17:12 <Melanie_T> where was the bug?
2015-05-03 17:12 <diva> and what makes the unit tests run?
2015-05-03 17:12 <nebadon> nant
2015-05-03 17:12 <diva> justin introduced it back in October. He was writing that field wrong
2015-05-03 17:12 <Melanie_T> ok
2015-05-03 17:12 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Automated_Testing
2015-05-03 17:13 <diva> I want to make a decent test framework for opensim, and trying to understand how the whole thing works currently
2015-05-03 17:13 <Melanie_T> someting that goes beyond unit tests?
2015-05-03 17:13 <diva> who calls nant test?
2015-05-03 17:13 <diva> in the box?
2015-05-03 17:13 <nebadon> jenkins
2015-05-03 17:13 <diva> Melanie_T yes
2015-05-03 17:14 <nebadon> jenkins.opensimulator.org
2015-05-03 17:14 <diva> I want to test the things that need testing -- remote interactions
2015-05-03 17:14 <BlueWall> you can call nunit test from the command line - nant is not needed
2015-05-03 17:15 <nebadon> how BlueWall
2015-05-03 17:15 <diva> BlueWall I'm asking about the opensimulator box
2015-05-03 17:15 <diva> I want to understand how it is done there
2015-05-03 17:15 <diva> neb where?
2015-05-03 17:15 <BlueWall> yeah, jenkins does that via nant
2015-05-03 17:16 <BlueWall> nebadon - nunit-console4
2015-05-03 17:16 <diva> and where can I find the jenkins config?
2015-05-03 17:16 <nebadon> I can make you an account diva
2015-05-03 17:16 <Melanie_T> jenkins is web driven
2015-05-03 17:16 <diva> what do yo mean, neb? I have an account in opsnimulator.org
2015-05-03 17:16 <diva> is there another box?
2015-05-03 17:16 <BlueWall> you need admin access on jenkins too
2015-05-03 17:16 <Melanie_T> but at the end of the day, your tests should run under control of nant
2015-05-03 17:17 <diva> Melanie_T that's my impression too, that's why I'm trying to understand how the whole thing works...
2015-05-03 17:17 <Melanie_T> well, easy
2015-05-03 17:17 <Melanie_T> jenkins is a web application with a deamon
2015-05-03 17:17 <diva> this won't be deployed in the box for a while. I don't even know if the box is good enough to handle distributed testing
2015-05-03 17:17 <Melanie_T> the setup is done in the web interface
2015-05-03 17:18 <Melanie_T> it's set up to clean up, create a build dir, check out git and run nant and nant test
2015-05-03 17:18 <Melanie_T> the result is logged
2015-05-03 17:18 <nebadon> diva see IM
2015-05-03 17:18 <Melanie_T> the logs can be seen in jenkins
2015-05-03 17:18 <nebadon> no reason you couldnt setup jenkins on one of your own servers
2015-05-03 17:18 <nebadon> setup a cron to pull from the main repo
2015-05-03 17:18 <BlueWall> nebadon http://pastebin.com/pjCxdXqG
2015-05-03 17:19 <Melanie_T> it's quite possible to write what you're looking for as unit tests
2015-05-03 17:19 <Melanie_T> e.g. instantiate an out connecto and an in connector
2015-05-03 17:19 <Melanie_T> and then call sending methods on the one and check what is received on the other
2015-05-03 17:19 <diva> I'll need to launch the server process, though
2015-05-03 17:19 <diva> via the test possibly
2015-05-03 17:20 <Melanie_T> i doubt there is an easy way to automate full scale testing, e.g. clinet logins and teleports or hg
2015-05-03 17:20 <nebadon> our jenkins looks like it has problems
2015-05-03 17:20 <diva> that's what I want to do, and yes, it's ambitious
2015-05-03 17:20 <nebadon> You have data stored in an older format and/or unreadable data.   
2015-05-03 17:20 <nebadon> It appears that your reverse proxy set up is broken.
2015-05-03 17:20 <nebadon> New version of Jenkins (1.611) is available for download (changelog).
2015-05-03 17:20 <nebadon> Because of a security vulnerability discovered earlier, we need to change the encryption key used to protect secrets in your configuration files on the disk. This process scans a large portion of your $JENKINS_HOME (/home/jenkins), find encrypted data, re-key them, which will take some time. See this document for more implications about different ways of doing this (or not doing this.) This operation can be safely run in backgrou
2015-05-03 17:20 <nebadon> nd, but cautious users are recommended to take backups
2015-05-03 17:20 <diva> but I'm starting with something really simple
2015-05-03 17:20 <nebadon> these are warnings in the Jenkins admin panel
2015-05-03 17:20 <diva> just a simple client for assets and an asset server
2015-05-03 17:21 <nebadon> maybe someone can take a look at jenkins
2015-05-03 17:21 <nebadon> make sure its working properly
2015-05-03 17:21 <Melanie_T> so you make an asset connector and an asset handler (in code)
2015-05-03 17:21 <nebadon> i am not familiar enough with it to feel comfortable trying to fix these
2015-05-03 17:21 <Melanie_T> and make the one call the other
2015-05-03 17:21 <Melanie_T> they can be in the same process
2015-05-03 17:21 <nebadon> they dont seem fatal though
2015-05-03 17:21 <Melanie_T> and just use localhost
2015-05-03 17:22 <diva> ok, let me try that
2015-05-03 17:23 <diva> I want to start with the simplest thing
2015-05-03 17:23 <Melanie_T> so what you do is build a config, in memory
2015-05-03 17:23 <Melanie_T> for the asset connector to connect to localhost
2015-05-03 17:23 <Melanie_T> and for the asset handler to listen to a port
2015-05-03 17:24 <Melanie_T> then you make a test class that looks like an asset server, and make the handler load that
2015-05-03 17:24 <Melanie_T> now any request you send out of the connector will trigger your "test" server, which isn't a server, but a unit test with proper asserts
2015-05-03 17:25 <Melanie_T> which means your test will assert if something gets garbled
2015-05-03 17:25 <Melanie_T> else, you, in your test code
2015-05-03 17:25 <Melanie_T> check the reply using asserts
2015-05-03 17:25 <Melanie_T> that way you've gone full crcle
2015-05-03 17:25 <Melanie_T> catching value dependent rrors is usually done by using random data in the unit tests
2015-05-03 17:26 <diva> yes, something like that. I'll have to see how much we can take it by using the same process
2015-05-03 17:27 <diva> we may need to spawn different processes at some point, maybe even have a test grid / hg set up
2015-05-03 17:27 <diva> which is what I do here manually
2015-05-03 17:27 <diva> I would like to automate my manual testing which is a pita
2015-05-03 17:28 <diva> ubt it has a lot of regularities, so it should be automatable
2015-05-03 20:17 <osmantis> Bug #7517:04 Region Deregistering At Startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7517 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-03 21:22 <Ken_S> diva, I updated my sims in OSG to the dev master this morning.
2015-05-03 21:23 <Ken_S> Now people are telling me that come in from HG
2015-05-03 21:23 <Ken_S> cannot rez things they copy on my win sim.
2015-05-03 21:23 <diva> Ken_S broken objects will stay broken forever
2015-05-03 21:23 <Ken_S> They cannot rez it on my sim, or if they take it back to theirs
2015-05-03 21:23 <diva> if they are trying to rez existing broken objects it will fail
2015-05-03 21:24 <Ken_S> These are not broken objects
2015-05-03 21:24 <Ken_S> It appears to be every object they try to copy.
2015-05-03 21:24 <Ken_S> The same objects copied for them yesterday
2015-05-03 21:25 <Ken_S> so no sure what is going on.
2015-05-03 21:25 <Ken_S> The sim they came into OSG through HG was Linux,
2015-05-03 21:25 <diva> me neither!
2015-05-03 21:26 <Ken_S> and my sim in OSG is win.
2015-05-03 21:26 <diva> I'm afraid I cannot help with such a vague description
2015-05-03 21:26 <diva> if they are trying to rez object that had been copied before, and had problems, they will fail
2015-05-03 21:27 <Ken_S> They come to my sim in OSG
2015-05-03 21:27 <Ken_S> They take a copy.
2015-05-03 21:27 <Ken_S> They immediately try to rez it.
2015-05-03 21:27 <Ken_S> It wont rez
2015-05-03 21:27 <Ken_S> They give me a copy of ity.
2015-05-03 21:27 <Ken_S> I cannot rez it.
2015-05-03 21:27 <Ken_S> If I copy the object, I can rez it.
2015-05-03 21:28 <diva> is that a copy of an object that they had tryied to copy before?
2015-05-03 21:28 <diva> if that object wen to their grid before I fixed tihis bug, that object will be bad forever in their grid
2015-05-03 21:29 <Ken_S> They are amoung the same objects they were able to copy and rez yesterday
2015-05-03 21:29 <diva> sorry I cannot help without much more information
2015-05-03 21:29 <diva> the only way I can help from a distance is if ppl show me the XML of the asset that is copied around
2015-05-03 21:30 <diva> or show me errors/debug messages on the console
2015-05-03 21:30 <Ken_S> I'll try to remote into the console and see if there are any messages there
2015-05-03 21:30 <nebadon> is there any error on the console?
2015-05-03 21:30 <diva> maybe you changed permissions?
2015-05-03 21:30 <Ken_S> I am on a cell phone connection and its slow.
2015-05-03 21:31 <Ken_S> Only thing that change since yesterday is
2015-05-03 21:31 <Ken_S> The update and the change suggested in gridcommon.ini for OSG sims.
2015-05-03 21:31 <nebadon> so your OS regions are on Windows?
2015-05-03 21:31 <Ken_S> Yes
2015-05-03 21:31 <nebadon> and you have someone coming in Externally via HG
2015-05-03 21:31 <Ken_S> Yes
2015-05-03 21:31 <nebadon> and they cant rez stuff they bring back home?
2015-05-03 21:32 <nebadon> or they cant rez it inside of OSgrid?
2015-05-03 21:32 <Ken_S> They cannot rez stuff in OSG or back home
2015-05-03 21:32 <nebadon> ok let me test
2015-05-03 21:32 <nebadon> i need to update give me a few
2015-05-03 21:32 <Ken_S> Things they copied a few minutes earlier in osg.
2015-05-03 21:33 <Ken_S> And if they give me a copy of it, I cannot rez it either.
2015-05-03 21:34 <Ken_S> Other OSG users are saying they are unable to bring things into OSG today that they could bring in yesterday from the same sims.
2015-05-03 21:39 <Ken_S> Nebadon, I did change the gridcommon.ini settings advised by Dan.
2015-05-03 21:39 <Ken_S> Other than updating thats the only change at my end.
2015-05-03 21:40 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-03 21:41 <Ken_S> The people reporting this are on osgrid int var,
2015-05-03 21:41 <Ken_S> mainly because that one stays busy
2015-05-03 21:42 <nebadon> so far I can not recreate the problem
2015-05-03 21:42 <nebadon> let me try some older objects
2015-05-03 21:43 <Ken_S> Maybe the issue is at the other grid, and just coincidental on the timeing.
2015-05-03 21:44 <nebadon> I have tried 10 differnet objects
2015-05-03 21:44 <nebadon> none have failed
2015-05-03 21:44 <nebadon> this is Windows > Windows
2015-05-03 21:44 <nebadon> a Windows region running on OSgrid
2015-05-03 21:44 <nebadon> back to a Windows Standalone
2015-05-03 21:44 <nebadon> let me try home grid Linux to OSgrid Windows
2015-05-03 21:46 <Ken_S> This situation is OSG=Windows sim, and the HG sim is Linux
2015-05-03 21:47 <nebadon> k I am just waiting for inventory to download on my linux grid
2015-05-03 21:47 <Ken_S> No hurry, but if there is an issue wanted to make sure you knew.
2015-05-03 21:48 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-03 21:48 <Ken_S> I rarely ever use HG, so personally it doesn't really matter,
2015-05-03 21:49 <Ken_S> But multiple users brought up the problem today so thought I'd pass it on.
2015-05-03 21:49 <Ken_S> I know one user specificall came in from here:  hypergrid.org:8002:Tharopolis
2015-05-03 21:51 <nebadon> can not recreate it here either
2015-05-03 21:51 <nebadon> i took a multitude of different objects
2015-05-03 21:51 <Ken_S> They are able to bring thigs to OSG from their HG sim, that part is working
2015-05-03 21:51 <nebadon> stuff I made, new stuff, old stuff, stuff others made
2015-05-03 21:51 <nebadon> stuff I aquired from a store on region Lani earlier today
2015-05-03 21:51 <nebadon> ya this was all OSG > Local Linux Grid
2015-05-03 21:51 <nebadon> and OSG > Local Windows Standalone
2015-05-03 21:51 <nebadon> both pass with flying colors, not a single hiccup
2015-05-03 21:52 <Ken_S> This is HG/Linux > OSG Windows
2015-05-03 21:52 <nebadon> if you are able to recreate the problem later on your own region setups let me know
2015-05-03 21:52 <nebadon> exactly what i just did
2015-05-03 21:52 <nebadon> im talking about bringing content back
2015-05-03 21:52 <nebadon> from OSGrid to My local Linux with my local linux avatar HG'ing into OSGrid Windows region
2015-05-03 21:53 <nebadon> both situations i experienced no failures
2015-05-03 21:53 <nebadon> like i said used a multitude of different objects
2015-05-03 21:53 <nebadon> they all worked
2015-05-03 21:53 <Ken_S> They are complaining about taking a copy in OSG and then trying to rez it on same sim in OSG while wearing group that allows them to rez there.
2015-05-03 21:54 <nebadon> yea but you said they also could not rez when they brought it home?
2015-05-03 21:54 <Ken_S> Yes thats what they said, and I could not rez anything they gave me they just copied in osg, but I could rez things they gave me that they brought from their HG sim.
2015-05-03 21:55 <nebadon> i just tried jumping my linux guy back to OSgrid windows
2015-05-03 21:55 <nebadon> no problem rezzing anything
2015-05-03 21:55 <nebadon> stuff i just grabbed from same region
2015-05-03 21:55 <nebadon> so we will need more specifics from the failure when you can
2015-05-03 21:55 <Ken_S> And your sims have the gridcommon.ini changes done?
2015-05-03 21:55 <nebadon> need console logs about the messages
2015-05-03 21:55 <nebadon> yes
2015-05-03 21:55 <nebadon> i just made the changes before starting the test
2015-05-03 21:55 <nebadon> and downloaded the latest release from the osgrid website
2015-05-03 21:56 <nebadon> use the osg binary
2015-05-03 21:56 <Ken_S> Hm, I'll restart, let them test again, and check the console.
2015-05-03 21:56 <nebadon> kk
2015-05-03 21:56 <Ken_S> Maybe the timing on this issue was just coincidental.
2015-05-03 21:56 <nebadon> could be
2015-05-03 21:57 <nebadon> I know the few times I tried going to Metro grid I had a lot of trouble myself
2015-05-03 21:57 <nebadon> that was a 3-4 months ago though
2015-05-03 21:57 <nebadon> from my own grid too
2015-05-03 21:57 <nebadon> not OSgrid
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2015-05-03 21:58 <nebadon> Jokaydia grid too
2015-05-03 21:59 <nebadon> gave me lots of trouble
2015-05-03 21:59 <nebadon> i really need to hunt them down and help them
2015-05-03 21:59 <nebadon> hehe
2015-05-03 21:59 <Ken_S> One of those compalining is metro
2015-05-03 21:59 <nebadon> havent had time
2015-05-03 21:59 <Ken_S> lol
2015-05-03 22:00 <nebadon> anyway let me know what you find
2015-05-03 22:00 <nebadon> hopefully a transient problem not on our ends
2015-05-03 22:04 <Ken_S> I know the software at the HG end of the connection has not been updated.
2015-05-03 22:04 <Ken_S> When you tested with HG=Linux, was the HG still on the older software?
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2015-05-03 22:24 <nebadon> Ken_S yes
2015-05-03 22:24 <nebadon> was not updated
2015-05-03 22:25 <nebadon> Version: OpenSim 0.8.1.0 Dev        00b5b91
2015-05-03 22:25 <nebadon> my linux grid is running
2015-05-03 22:27 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-03 22:34 <Ken_S> nebadon,  OK isolated the issue to it being a var in osg.
2015-05-03 22:34 <Ken_S> We did the same tests with them going in and out on a normal sim and there is no problem.
2015-05-03 22:34 <Ken_S> As you know the OSG Int sim has lots of prims and scripts on it.
2015-05-03 22:35 <Ken_S> But not sure why it worked ON yesterday and not today.
2015-05-03 22:35 <Ken_S> Tested again after a restart and same issue on the var.
2015-05-03 22:41 <nebadon> there should be no difference between a regular region or var honestly
2015-05-03 22:41 <nebadon> and nothing we changed in the past 24-48 hours would have had any impact on var im quite sure
2015-05-03 22:42 <Ken_S> Only thing I can think of is timing related Var = slower
2015-05-03 22:43 <nebadon> that would surprise me too
2015-05-03 22:43 <nebadon> atleast just being a var along
2015-05-03 22:43 <nebadon> alone*
2015-05-03 22:43 <nebadon> but again nothing we changed would have made var any slower
2015-05-03 23:11 <Ken_S> Teleports between heavy loaded vars are different than normal sims too.
2015-05-03 23:12 <Ken_S> Have been hoping the changes Robert has been talking about with vars might help numerous var issues.
2015-05-03 23:21 <nebadon> I have some pretty heavily loaded var regions myself
2015-05-03 23:21 <nebadon> how large are your vars?
2015-05-03 23:21 <nebadon> anything over 1024 is going to be a disaster probably in the long run
2015-05-03 23:21 <nebadon> i still think 768x768 is the max I would use though
2015-05-03 23:22 <nebadon> terrain is very problematic if you go to large
2015-05-04 00:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #4146 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-04 01:21 <dahlia> I guess jenkins croaked :/
2015-05-04 01:32 <nebadon> hmm
2015-05-04 01:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4146: ABORTED in 1 hr 32 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4146/
2015-05-04 01:38 <osjenkins> dahlia: Make Meshmerizer mesh cache static so it can be shared across class instances
2015-05-04 01:38 <nebadon> 
ACTION smacks mr jenkins around a bit

2015-05-04 01:39 <dahlia> can you restart it?
2015-05-04 01:41 <nebadon> its really slow for some reason
2015-05-04 01:41 <nebadon> not sure what is going on
2015-05-04 01:44 <dahlia> something named "duplicity" eating a lot of cpu
2015-05-04 01:45 <dahlia> whatever that is
2015-05-04 01:46 <nebadon> its using 15% of one core
2015-05-04 01:46 <AllenKerensky> Encrypted bandwidth-efficient backup using rsync algorithm
2015-05-04 01:46 <nebadon> that is not a lot
2015-05-04 01:46 <nebadon> and yes it backs the server up
2015-05-04 01:46 <AllenKerensky> look at the wait for i/o
2015-05-04 01:46 <AllenKerensky> the disks may be busy doing the scan
2015-05-04 01:46 <nebadon> i doubt that is it
2015-05-04 01:46 <AllenKerensky> and the CPU is loafing waiting for disk I/Os
2015-05-04 01:47 <dahlia> ya load average was like 12, top didnt really provide any insight why
2015-05-04 01:49 <AliciaRaven> htop is better, shows more info
2015-05-04 01:51 <dahlia> ya but I refrain from doing anything which modifies that machine
2015-05-04 01:53 <nebadon> looks like jenkins is having trouble reading the git repo
2015-05-04 01:53 <nebadon> wierd
2015-05-04 01:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #4148 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: ABORTED -- last SUCCESS #4145 20 hr ago)
2015-05-04 01:55 <nebadon> oh there it goes
2015-05-04 01:55 <nebadon> wierd
2015-05-04 01:55 <nebadon> maybe it was apache
2015-05-04 01:55 <nebadon> i restarted apache
2015-05-04 01:55 <nebadon> website felt a bit slow too
2015-05-04 01:55 <nebadon> jenkins seems to have come alive
2015-05-04 01:56 <nebadon> apache seems to freak out every so often
2015-05-04 01:56 <nebadon> not sure why
2015-05-04 01:56 <AliciaRaven> i have similar problems with it
2015-05-04 01:58 <nebadon> looks like the box was using up a lot of swap
2015-05-04 01:58 <nebadon> i suspect it was apache though
2015-05-04 01:58 <nebadon> because as soon as I restarted it box felt faster
2015-05-04 01:58 <nebadon> website is a lot faster now
2015-05-04 01:58 <nebadon> memory leak or something
2015-05-04 01:59 <AliciaRaven> after a few days it gets slow and unresponsive, let me know if u ever find out why lol
2015-05-04 01:59 <nebadon> its more like once a month
2015-05-04 01:59 <nebadon> somtimes longer
2015-05-04 01:59 <nebadon> I should probably setup a crontask to restart it once a month
2015-05-04 01:59 <BlueWall> yeah, I checked it a few days ago and it was @ 96 processes.
2015-05-04 01:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4148: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4148/
2015-05-04 01:59 <BlueWall> didn't see any zombies though.
2015-05-04 01:59 <nebadon> welp, there you go dahlia :)
2015-05-04 02:00 <nebadon> success :)
2015-05-04 02:00 <dahlia> ty :)
2015-05-04 02:00 <nebadon> man the planet script still runs
2015-05-04 02:00 <nebadon> we should kill that
2015-05-04 02:00 <nebadon> that website is dead pretty sure
2015-05-04 02:02 <nebadon> ok killed planet
2015-05-04 02:02 <nebadon> I commented out the crontab on user planet
2015-05-04 02:03 <AliciaRaven> planet?
2015-05-04 02:03 <nebadon> ya its a RSS agregator
2015-05-04 02:03 <nebadon> used to collect various sources of opensimulator stuff
2015-05-04 02:03 <nebadon> but whoever owned the domain let it lapse
2015-05-04 02:03 <nebadon> planet.opensim.us
2015-05-04 02:03 <nebadon> hasnt worked in a couple years 
2015-05-04 02:03 <nebadon> it was still collecting data though
2015-05-04 02:03 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-04 02:04 <nebadon> every 15 minutes
2015-05-04 02:04 <nebadon> talk about wasted cycles
2015-05-04 02:04 <nebadon> its a python script
2015-05-04 02:04 <nebadon> so probably not too horrible
2015-05-04 02:04 <nebadon> but still
2015-05-04 02:04 <AliciaRaven> lol
2015-05-04 02:06 <nebadon> well someone had the good sense atleast to remove it from apache
2015-05-04 02:07 <nebadon> ah appears jenkins does touch apache
2015-05-04 02:07 <nebadon> there is a config for jenkins in apache anyway
2015-05-04 02:07 <nebadon> so that does explain it a bit
2015-05-04 02:09 <BlueWall> redirect?
2015-05-04 02:10 <nebadon> maybe I didnt dig to deep
2015-05-04 02:10 <nebadon> could be though
2015-05-04 02:10 <nebadon> i was just making sure planet was disabled and noticed a jenkins config
2015-05-04 02:18 <dahlia> it puts build reports on the site
2015-05-04 02:18 <dahlia> maybe thats what you sww
2015-05-04 02:18 <dahlia> see
2015-05-04 02:20 <nebadon> well I was just in the /etc/apache2 folder making sure there was no config for planet running
2015-05-04 02:20 <nebadon> and noticed the jenkins one
2015-05-04 02:20 <nebadon> i assumed the whole thing ran in java
2015-05-04 02:21 <nebadon> even the web portion
2015-05-04 02:21 <nebadon> ive never set jenkins up
2015-05-04 02:21 <nebadon> not really sure how it works
2015-05-04 02:21 <dahlia> no idea
2015-05-04 02:21 <dahlia> cant even remember who set it up
2015-05-04 02:22 <nebadon> coyled
2015-05-04 02:23 <dahlia> ya maybe coyled set it up
2015-05-04 02:23 <dahlia> then he abandoned ship
2015-05-04 02:24 <nebadon> justin has upgraded it several times
2015-05-04 02:24 <nebadon> so im sure he has a pretty good grasp on it
2015-05-04 02:40 <BlueWall> it's a proxy
2015-05-04 02:40 <BlueWall> jenkins.opensimulator.org --> http://localhost:8081/
2015-05-04 02:46 <nebadon> yea so it must be running in java then
2015-05-04 02:46 <nebadon> dahlia what is your patch all about btw?
2015-05-04 02:47 <nebadon> something for a module?
2015-05-04 02:48 <dahlia> nebadon: in case someone needs to access the collision mesh cache from outside of physics, they can instantiate a local instance of Meshmerizer and get the same cache 
2015-05-04 02:49 <dahlia> hmmm should probably add some locks to it
2015-05-04 02:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #4149 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-04 02:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4149: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4149/
2015-05-04 02:58 <osjenkins> dahlia: lock collision mesh cache when accessing
2015-05-04 02:59 <dahlia> looks like jenkens just got back from a trip to starbucks :)
2015-05-04 03:02 <BlueWall> :)
2015-05-04 03:09 <misterblue> locking is good, dahlia :)
2015-05-04 03:20 <osmantis> Bug #7530:04 [Patch] Enable object grab and add the code to spin objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7530 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-04 03:20 <AliciaRaven> BlueWall, grab patch version 4 lol
2015-05-04 03:21 <BlueWall> :)
2015-05-04 03:27 <dahlia> misterblue: ya locking is good but I'm not sure how all the pinned memory comes into play now
2015-05-04 03:27 <dahlia> especially when bullet has its own thread
2015-05-04 03:27 <misterblue> I didn't think Meshmerizer pinned... does it do that for ODE?
2015-05-04 03:27 <dahlia> yes
2015-05-04 03:28 <dahlia> cant remember exactly when tho
2015-05-04 03:28 <misterblue> BulletSim copies everything... has to copy the mesh to the C++ environment
2015-05-04 03:28 <misterblue> so it doesn't need the cache after meshing
2015-05-04 03:28 <dahlia> ah ok
2015-05-04 03:28 <dahlia> so when you call for a mesh, do you set the cache flag to false?
2015-05-04 03:29 <misterblue> pretty sure... let me check
2015-05-04 03:30 <dahlia> so maybe cache is empty when using bullet
2015-05-04 03:31 <misterblue> yes... cache=false
2015-05-04 03:31 <dahlia> hmmm
2015-05-04 03:31 <dahlia> so much for that idea
2015-05-04 03:31 <dahlia> :/
2015-05-04 03:32 <misterblue> still, if the raycaster meshes it, it will be in the cache and not created over and over...
2015-05-04 03:32 <dahlia> ya
2015-05-04 03:32 <misterblue> maybe gets meshed twice but that's only for people doing ray casting
2015-05-04 03:33 <dahlia> what would be involved in exposing the bullet raycast?
2015-05-04 03:34 <misterblue> probably updates to the C++ wrapper to pass the right things back... the skeleton is there
2015-05-04 03:35 <dahlia> and if it was exposed, could it provide some means of identifying the part which was hit?
2015-05-04 03:35 <misterblue> 
ACTION intended to have to working

2015-05-04 03:35 <dahlia> I miss the camera collisions :)
2015-05-04 03:36 <dahlia> lol trying to walk around inside buildings can be a pain
2015-05-04 03:36 <misterblue> there are so many things  to fix and debug...
2015-05-04 03:36 <misterblue> I'd really like to work on my viewer project
2015-05-04 03:36 <dahlia> ya I wasnt trying to make work for you
2015-05-04 03:37 <misterblue> 
ACTION has a long TODO list

2015-05-04 03:37 <dahlia> viewer project?
2015-05-04 03:37 <misterblue> ... and the wife had me working on the garden all day :)
2015-05-04 03:37 <misterblue> yes... I want to make a new viewer
2015-05-04 03:38 <dahlia> oh not started yet
2015-05-04 03:38 <misterblue> only architecture so far... and testing stubs
2015-05-04 03:38 <dahlia> c++?
2015-05-04 03:38 <misterblue> implementation detail :)
2015-05-04 03:39 <dahlia> important detail
2015-05-04 03:39 <dahlia> 
ACTION is waiting for vulkan before getting back into viewer stuff

2015-05-04 03:39 <misterblue> I want to start with an X11 type server... that is, the "viewer" is a thing that displays 3D objects (as opposed to the X11 model of being a server for 2d windows)
2015-05-04 03:40 <misterblue> that server, the important part is the API... the implementation can be C++ for super fast or WebGL for everywhere-ness
2015-05-04 03:40 <dahlia> webgl sucks... srsly
2015-05-04 03:41 <dahlia> emscripten slightly better but not much
2015-05-04 03:42 <misterblue> ya... I'm using the Unity engine for the first instance of the viewer... they have done the enscriptem port for me
2015-05-04 03:42 <misterblue> and they have the model for the shaders... 
2015-05-04 03:42 <dahlia> unity ok, I did a unity viewer around 2010ish
2015-05-04 03:42 <dahlia> cant handle much content tho
2015-05-04 03:43 <dahlia> Im sure its come a long way since 2010
2015-05-04 03:43 <misterblue> no... I don't think it is the ultimate solution... but the arch is to allow multiple viewer implementations while keeping the infrastructure the same
2015-05-04 03:43 <misterblue> I want a viewer where a OS avatar can stand next to a HiFi avatar
2015-05-04 03:44 <dahlia> Ive found webgl is a pretty fast way to try things out but the API is kinda limited
2015-05-04 03:44 <dahlia> or you could even use something line three.js
2015-05-04 03:45 <dahlia> but usually that turns into a dead end when you need something it cant do
2015-05-04 03:45 <misterblue> the newer versions of ES will have batched rendering... get over some of the problems with the old OpenGL interface
2015-05-04 03:45 <dahlia> batched? you mean like uniform arrays and instancing?
2015-05-04 03:46 <misterblue> WebGL is a kludge in  the HTML/browser model... but a kludge we get to live with
2015-05-04 03:46 <dahlia> errr... uniform buffer objects
2015-05-04 03:46 <misterblue> I hang with the group still working on Xml3D... the 3d display on a web page should be part of the DOM
2015-05-04 03:46 <misterblue> we'll see where that goes
2015-05-04 03:47 <dahlia> never got into that
2015-05-04 03:47 <misterblue> there is a new ES standard on the way from what I know
2015-05-04 03:47 <dahlia> ya 3.0
2015-05-04 03:47 <dahlia> but vulkan is also supposedly coming in a few months
2015-05-04 03:48 <misterblue> everything will be better in the Next Release ;-)
2015-05-04 03:49 <dahlia> Ive pushed the current release about as far as I intend to 
2015-05-04 03:49 <misterblue> I'm focusing on the API to the central rendering process
2015-05-04 03:50 <misterblue> I'm not strong on the shader thing... are you?
2015-05-04 03:50 <dahlia> I can do glsl moderately well
2015-05-04 03:50 <misterblue> architecturally it is interesting pushing code to the edge (as opposed to data)
2015-05-04 03:51 <misterblue> I'm thinking about what that does to APIs
2015-05-04 03:51 <dahlia> theres the AZDO stuff too, if one cant wait for vulkan
2015-05-04 03:53 <misterblue> I'm debugging my parcel layer code and wonder why, when I subdivide a parcel, the boundries don't show up when done
2015-05-04 03:53 <misterblue> well, it's not my code... standard master doesn't send parcel layer update info when subdividing
2015-05-04 03:54 <misterblue> people must not subdivide parcels often or they would be complaining
2015-05-04 03:54 <dahlia> dunno, I never use the parcel stuff hence I have little knowledge
2015-05-04 03:54 <misterblue> nobody else must be either :)
2015-05-04 03:55 <dahlia> I just make a fewgion, make myself estate manager
2015-05-04 03:55 <dahlia> thats as far as I get :)
2015-05-04 03:56 <OtakuMegane_>  Subdivided parcels not showing up?like it takes a bit of time to update?
2015-05-04 04:00 <misterblue> no... setting "display parcel boundries" and then subdividing a region... the parcel boundries are not sent after subdividing
2015-05-04 04:00 <misterblue> you will see the new boundries when you relog but not immediately
2015-05-04 04:00 <OtakuMegane_> Hmm
2015-05-04 04:03 <OtakuMegane_> Never run into that which I can recall.
2015-05-04 04:04 <AliciaRaven> misterblue, when i divide parcels the updates show after a few seconds
2015-05-04 04:05 <AliciaRaven> does the divide trigger some other update that sends them, parcel properties maybe?
2015-05-04 04:05 <OtakuMegane_> Yeah. Subdivide or join the changes usually show after a few seconds. Or almost immediately if I right-click again
2015-05-04 04:06 <AliciaRaven> yes, i must admit im impatient and usualy right click to get them to show faster
2015-05-04 04:06 <misterblue> will have to find out why my situation is different... I have a blank region, edit terrin, and select an area... select 'subdivide' and afterward the boundries don't show up in the viewer
2015-05-04 04:07 <misterblue> I'm not sure of the update logic in the simulator... haven't traced all the update events and such
2015-05-04 04:07 <AliciaRaven> if you right click the ground, do they still not show?
2015-05-04 04:07 <OtakuMegane_> Never encountered something like that. I know right-click on ground or any object sends an update but beyond that never poked into it myself.
2015-05-04 04:08 <misterblue> ah yes... after a few seconds the right click got it to show up
2015-05-04 04:08 <misterblue> not immediately
2015-05-04 04:08 <OtakuMegane_> Yeah, there's a bit of delay, sometimes even with the right-click. Even in SL it was like that.
2015-05-04 04:09 <misterblue> I bet right click is the only way to send the parcel layer data
2015-05-04 04:09 <misterblue> it is the same right click that is creating the lag for large varregions
2015-05-04 04:09 <OtakuMegane_> Nobody probably thinks twice about it, it's just how things are. :P
2015-05-04 04:10 <misterblue> 
ACTION is still tracing through subdivide -> updateLandObject -> TriggerLandObjectUpdated ...

2015-05-04 04:11 <OtakuMegane_> Ok, yeah no update unless you right-click.
2015-05-04 04:11 <AliciaRaven> i think it does eventualy even with out right clicking, u might have to move the avatar to get the parcel data update?
2015-05-04 04:12 <misterblue> the TriggerLandObjectUpdated just stores the new land object... I can't find the code to send the update to the viewer
2015-05-04 04:12 <misterblue> could be missing
2015-05-04 04:12 <misterblue> 
ACTION keeps searching

2015-05-04 04:15 <OtakuMegane_> Doesn't look like any update is given except by right-click.
2015-05-04 04:16 <OtakuMegane_> Or relog/tp in obviosly.
2015-05-04 04:16 <misterblue> that does seem to work :)
2015-05-04 04:16 <misterblue> 
ACTION wonders if he should fix this problem or just the lag problem he originally started on

2015-05-04 04:16 <OtakuMegane_> Actually tp from an adjacent region doesn't seem to update it either
2015-05-04 04:18 <OtakuMegane_> I'd worry about the lag, that has a lot more potential for problems. An extra right-click from time to time while editing parcels is trivial considering how infrequently most people would be doing it.
2015-05-04 04:20 <OtakuMegane_> Unless fixing it ends up coinciding with the lag issue. It does all seem to come down to when updates are sent, which really should only be if something has changed (or a new user is coming in)
2015-05-04 04:27 <misterblue> my "lag fix" is to only send parcel layer data around that area being worked in... so, sending the 4K of layer data within 128m around just like forever
2015-05-04 04:28 <misterblue> the 'not showing up' problem is that the data is not being sent after parcel subdivisions...
2015-05-04 04:28 <misterblue> my fix only reduces the amount of data sent on a right click
2015-05-04 04:28 <OtakuMegane_> That's a start though
2015-05-04 04:29 <OtakuMegane_> If it could be combined with some kind of caching or only sending updates after an actual change in parcel data that would be even more awesome.
2015-05-04 04:31 <misterblue> that's the real fix (only sending on updates)... little more work, though
2015-05-04 04:31 <OtakuMegane_> Yeah, that seems a bit longer-term maybe. And might need some viewer tweaking to make it work, dunno how it would handle a server-side change
2015-05-04 04:32 <OtakuMegane_> I'm sure LL never even pondered this issue since they only have 256x256 sims and SL is kinda network heavy anyway
2015-05-04 04:33 <misterblue> the OpenSimulator innards needs some refactoring... much of the original code passes data around rather than wrapper classes... so it is hard to add operations around data (like 'updated' or caching)
2015-05-04 04:34 <dahlia> hmmm?
2015-05-04 04:34 <dahlia> example?
2015-05-04 04:34 <misterblue> like I added TerrainData when I added varregions... terrain was passed around as a one dimensional array of doubles
2015-05-04 04:35 <misterblue> hard to change the dimensions or control the storage of the terrain data
2015-05-04 04:35 <dahlia> arrays are objects
2015-05-04 04:35 <dahlia> they live on the object heap
2015-05-04 04:35 <misterblue> arrays are not wrapper classes
2015-05-04 04:35 <nebadon> man this Hans Nerido guy on OSgrid has some amazing vehicles, im seriously excited
2015-05-04 04:35 <nebadon> my scripts blow
2015-05-04 04:35 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-04 04:35 <dahlia> no but they are passed by reference
2015-05-04 04:35 <misterblue> you can't add functionality (dimensions, different storage) to an array
2015-05-04 04:36 <dahlia> nebadon: he sharing?
2015-05-04 04:36 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-04 04:36 <misterblue> not talking implementation... talking ability to add code around the data manipulation... the API to the data
2015-05-04 04:36 <dahlia> get me some :)
2015-05-04 04:36 <nebadon> i already started incorporating his scripts into my vehicles
2015-05-04 04:36 <nebadon> you logged in?
2015-05-04 04:37 <nebadon> I have 1 new vehicle and he gave me 2 really freakin nice ones
2015-05-04 04:37 <dahlia> I will
2015-05-04 04:37 <nebadon> his are too fast
2015-05-04 04:37 <nebadon> and mine is a bit too slow
2015-05-04 04:37 <nebadon> they still need tuning, but the potential is amazing
2015-05-04 04:37 <nebadon> my vehicle has an older script of his
2015-05-04 04:37 <nebadon> which is still good
2015-05-04 04:37 <nebadon> but his new vehicles are crazy
2015-05-04 04:37 <dahlia> logged in ow
2015-05-04 04:37 <dahlia> now
2015-05-04 04:38 <nebadon> the McLaren is mine
2015-05-04 04:38 <nebadon> the Lambo and Vette are his
2015-05-04 04:38 <dahlia> ty
2015-05-04 04:38 <nebadon> np have fun
2015-05-04 04:38 <nebadon> you should check out his track too
2015-05-04 04:38 <nebadon> region name is "Racetrack"
2015-05-04 04:38 <nebadon> its a 7x7 var
2015-05-04 04:38 <nebadon> its huge and cool
2015-05-04 04:39 <dahlia> misterblue: ya I guess you could wrap an array in a class somehow
2015-05-04 04:39 <nebadon> I need to make a giant track for myself, my physics arena isnt cutting it anymore
2015-05-04 04:39 <dahlia> I can never get the vehicles to work in my copy of the physics arena
2015-05-04 04:40 <nebadon> ya throw all my old stuff in the trash
2015-05-04 04:40 <misterblue> TerrainData holds the terrain array with dimensions and serialization routines... rather than scattering knowledge of how to serialize the terrain in every database module
2015-05-04 04:40 <nebadon> seriously
2015-05-04 04:40 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-04 04:40 <nebadon> these vehicles are next level
2015-05-04 04:40 <dahlia> 
ACTION has been on a supertuxkart binge the last 2 days

2015-05-04 04:41 <dahlia> and I'm not having much luck getting my bullet car working faster in my little zombie safari game
2015-05-04 04:43 <dahlia> http://di01.wwweb3d.net/urho/AGame.html
2015-05-04 04:43 <dahlia> object is to run over the walking zombies :)
2015-05-04 04:44 <misterblue> BulletSim does inforce a max velocity (like SL)..  there might be a parameter to change
2015-05-04 04:46 <misterblue> ah... different bullet... I'm having a hard time getting the zombies also :)
2015-05-04 04:46 <dahlia> its not bulletsim or opensim, all simulation is in the browser
2015-05-04 04:46 <dahlia> but it is bullet
2015-05-04 04:48 <dahlia> I can make it faster but the vehicle becomes very unstable
2015-05-04 04:48 <dahlia> spins out and flips a lot
2015-05-04 04:49 <nebadon> lol nice
2015-05-04 04:49 <nebadon> just plowed a zombie
2015-05-04 04:49 <nebadon> hehe
2015-05-04 04:49 <nebadon> doh i rolled her
2015-05-04 04:49 <nebadon> like a turtle on his back
2015-05-04 04:49 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-04 04:50 <dahlia> lol
2015-05-04 04:50 <dahlia> if you flip, just refresh
2015-05-04 04:51 <dahlia> can adjust camera by right mouse drag
2015-05-04 04:53 <dahlia> anyway that's one of my little side projects that never gets anywhere
2015-05-04 05:04 <osmantis> Bug #7554:04 llSetPrimitiveParams : a combination of cut and dimple degenerates the sphere 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7554 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-04 05:09 <dahlia> nebadon: can I make the corvette go faster? seems to top out at 44 mph
2015-05-04 05:09 <nebadon> probably I havent look at the scripts
2015-05-04 05:09 <nebadon> are you shifting?
2015-05-04 05:09 <nebadon> with page up and down?
2015-05-04 05:09 <nebadon> I am not sure I trust those #'s it display either
2015-05-04 05:09 <dahlia> no, Ill try that
2015-05-04 05:10 <nebadon> yea you have to shift
2015-05-04 05:10 <nebadon> be careful it goes fast as hell
2015-05-04 05:10 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-04 05:10 <nebadon> its too fast if you ask me
2015-05-04 05:10 <dahlia> page up doesnt do anything
2015-05-04 05:10 <nebadon> maybe your already in the higest gear then
2015-05-04 05:11 <dahlia> 44 mph?
2015-05-04 05:11 <nebadon> it should say the gear you are in
2015-05-04 05:11 <nebadon> when you change gears
2015-05-04 05:11 <dahlia> hmmm
2015-05-04 05:12 <dahlia> ok the lamborghini shifts
2015-05-04 05:12 <dahlia> corvette didnt
2015-05-04 05:12 <nebadon> oh wierd hmm
2015-05-04 05:12 <nebadon> i didnt really try the vette
2015-05-04 05:13 <dahlia> lol dont hit the edge
2015-05-04 05:13 <dahlia> I need a bigger region
2015-05-04 05:13 <dahlia> only a 512 now
2015-05-04 05:13 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-04 05:14 <nebadon> his region was 7x7 var
2015-05-04 05:14 <nebadon> its big
2015-05-04 05:14 <dahlia> should try it
2015-05-04 05:14 <dahlia> or I should make some zombie npcs on opensim
2015-05-04 05:15 <dahlia> but dont know how to make their bodies fold up like that in opensim
2015-05-04 05:17 <nebadon> i had a thing in SL called super collider you could wear
2015-05-04 05:17 <nebadon> and when another avatar bumped into you, you would fall over and a big pool of blood would come out of you
2015-05-04 05:17 <nebadon> was hilarious, quite shocking for people not expecting it
2015-05-04 05:18 <dahlia> lol
2015-05-04 05:19 <dahlia> I'm rather proud of that body folding effect the zombies do :P
2015-05-04 05:19 <nebadon> yea its pretty impressive
2015-05-04 05:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #4150 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-04 05:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4150: SUCCESS in 4 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4150/
2015-05-04 05:29 <osjenkins> misterblue: Only send parcel layer data around the point of interest. Can be disabled
2015-05-04 05:35 <osmantis> Bug #7252:04 Multiple right clicks in viewer causes lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7252 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-04 05:37 <dahlia> k I set my sandbox to 1536x1536 and I notice I can right click a bunch of times and I can still move immediately but the walk animations dont work for quite some time
2015-05-04 05:37 <dahlia> movement is instant
2015-05-04 05:38 <nebadon> yes but others might not see the movement?
2015-05-04 05:38 <nebadon> i think you may always see your own movement
2015-05-04 05:38 <dahlia> movement comes from the sim
2015-05-04 05:38 <dahlia> rotation is all local
2015-05-04 05:41 <nebadon> ya I have to say though i work all day long in vars on Encitra grid
2015-05-04 05:41 <nebadon> and have never once noticed this problem myself either
2015-05-04 05:41 <nebadon> and I right click like its going out of style
2015-05-04 05:41 <nebadon> the only real trouble i have with vars, is when i work cross border
2015-05-04 05:42 <nebadon> then its just terrible
2015-05-04 05:42 <nebadon> huge delays on things
2015-05-04 05:42 <nebadon> region border that is not parcel
2015-05-04 05:42 <nebadon> our models are made up of 768x768 simulators, the biggest is 15 regions
2015-05-04 05:43 <nebadon> ive worked with 8000 prim linksets and not experienced it
2015-05-04 05:46 <nebadon> ok well off to bed before its 2am :) g'night
2015-05-04 05:51 <dahlia> nn
2015-05-04 05:52 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-04 07:23 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-04 07:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #4151 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-04 07:35 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-04 07:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4151: SUCCESS in 4 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4151/
2015-05-04 07:37 <osjenkins> * dahlia: Implement llCastRay fully, simplified.
2015-05-04 07:37 <osjenkins> * dahlia: add new config parameters for llCastRay to OpenSimDefaults.ini
2015-05-04 13:55 <osmantis> Bug #7555:04 This Script Does Not Function But Does In SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7555 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-04 14:11 <osmantis> Bug #7555:04 This Script Does Not Function But Does In SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7555 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-04 14:35 <nebadon> hmm seems like if you subdivide or join parcels on a var region you have to log out and back in to see the change
2015-05-04 14:35 <nebadon> makes it kind of impossible to do lots of subdividing
2015-05-04 14:38 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, was just talking about that last night, misterblue was looking into fixing it i think
2015-05-04 14:38 <AliciaRaven> but if you right click the land, the lines do show up
2015-05-04 14:39 <nebadon> ah ya
2015-05-04 14:39 <nebadon> just the highlighting doesnt
2015-05-04 14:40 <AliciaRaven> parcel boundary shows ok for u?
2015-05-04 14:42 <nebadon> when i right click yea
2015-05-04 14:42 <nebadon> just not constant highlighting when enabled
2015-05-04 14:43 <AliciaRaven> did u see the chat earlier or finding it another strange coincidence?
2015-05-04 14:56 <nebadon> hey sorry had a phone call
2015-05-04 14:57 <nebadon> i just found it by chance
2015-05-04 14:57 <nebadon> did not see earlier chat
2015-05-04 14:57 <AliciaRaven> np
2015-05-04 14:57 <AliciaRaven> thats strange, did u have another coincidence find of a bug that some one had just talked to u about the other day? lol
2015-05-04 14:57 <nebadon> I was converting Sisyphus to a large Var 
2015-05-04 14:58 <nebadon> you mean the Windows HG thing?
2015-05-04 14:58 <nebadon> that one I just started noticing many people talking about it
2015-05-04 14:58 <nebadon> low hanging fruit :)
2015-05-04 14:58 <AliciaRaven> not sure, i think u had said some one told u about a bug, then later that day u came across the same thing while working
2015-05-04 14:59 <AliciaRaven> might have been that small prims not showing at some zoom levels i think
2015-05-04 14:59 <nebadon> oh yea
2015-05-04 14:59 <nebadon> that one
2015-05-04 14:59 <nebadon> ya also out of the blue i experienced it testing something else
2015-05-04 14:59 <nebadon> cuteuala said something to me in the morning, later that day i experienced it testing something completely else
2015-05-04 15:00 <AliciaRaven> yep that was it
2015-05-04 15:00 <AliciaRaven> knew there was more than one spooky coincidence recently lol
2015-05-04 15:05 <nebadon> heh I need to move my var
2015-05-04 15:05 <nebadon> I can see neighbors that are like 5 spaces away
2015-05-04 15:07 <AliciaRaven> view distance must be set high?
2015-05-04 15:08 <AliciaRaven> i have 256 m gap and usualy only see the neighboring region for a few seconds after first landing
2015-05-04 15:08 <AllenKerensky> it seems the neighbor view thing is in increments of var size
2015-05-04 15:08 <AllenKerensky> a 1 x 256m square moat is not enough
2015-05-04 15:08 <AliciaRaven> my vars are 3x3
2015-05-04 15:13 <nebadon> its whatever the default is
2015-05-04 15:14 <nebadon> interestingly i couldnt see the terrain
2015-05-04 15:14 <nebadon> just prims
2015-05-04 15:14 <nebadon> I noticed one of my blimps flying out in the ocean
2015-05-04 15:14 <nebadon> when i cammed over to it i realized it was from my Raspberry Pi region which is nearby
2015-05-04 16:03 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-05-04 17:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #4152 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-04 17:07 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-04 17:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4152: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4152/
2015-05-04 17:11 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: Patch llCastRay fully-simplified to V2.
2015-05-04 17:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #4153 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-04 17:36 <osmantis> Bug #7353:04 llGetGeometricCenter() returns the wrong vector. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7353 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-04 17:39 <osmantis> Bug #7552:04 Add the ability to do a backup of any region given its name ,Needs the AutoBackup module to be running 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7552 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-04 17:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4153: SUCCESS in 4 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4153/
2015-05-04 17:41 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: Implement llGetGeometricCenter correctly.
2015-05-04 17:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #4154 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-04 17:41 <osmantis> Bug #7550:04 New constants for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7550 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-04 17:42 <osmantis> Bug #7512:04 llCastRay does not use target avatar rotation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7512 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-04 17:43 <nebadon> 
ACTION has plucked all the low hanging fruit he can reach :)

2015-05-04 17:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4154: SUCCESS in 4 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4154/
2015-05-04 17:45 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: Missing constants for llGetObjectDetails
2015-05-04 17:48 <nebadon> H-H-H i could not apply your patch
2015-05-04 17:49 <nebadon> please make sure you use this method > http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Git#Creating_a_Patch
2015-05-04 17:50 <osmantis> Bug #7552:04 Add the ability to do a backup of any region given its name ,Needs the AutoBackup module to be running 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7552 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-04 17:53 <AliciaRaven> console command for running autobackup, isnt that just a rewording of save oar command?
2015-05-04 17:54 <nebadon> I have not used autobackup myself before
2015-05-04 17:55 <AliciaRaven> just saves oars on a timmer basically, if some one was going to run it from the console they may aswell just type the standard save oar command, does the same job
2015-05-04 17:56 <nebadon> i guess it simplifies not having to change region first
2015-05-04 17:56 <AliciaRaven> yea, and will use the backup config settings also i guess
2015-05-04 17:56 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-04 17:57 <nebadon> I am all for time saving fixes
2015-05-04 17:58 <nebadon> as long as they apply cleanly :P
2015-05-04 17:59 <AliciaRaven> lol
2015-05-04 17:59 <BlueWall> And don't make people's builds dance off the region when they open doors 0.0
2015-05-04 18:00 <AliciaRaven> oops, wasnt me, the sim fairys did that :)
2015-05-04 18:00 <BlueWall> pixel pixies
2015-05-04 18:00 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-04 18:01 <osmantis> Bug #7552:04 Add the ability to do a backup of any region given its name ,Needs the AutoBackup module to be running 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7552 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-05-04 18:07 <BlueWall> nebadon, I used patch -p1 to add that file.
2015-05-04 18:07 <BlueWall> I guess if it builds and test  under my Jenkins, I'll push it.
2015-05-04 18:08 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-04 18:08 <nebadon> I just like to use the --signoff
2015-05-04 18:08 <nebadon> for accountability
2015-05-04 18:09 <nebadon> this way people arent asking me for support on stuff i dont create
2015-05-04 18:09 <BlueWall> me too - I just added a note on the commit, but I'll hold off for a while to see if he sends an updated one.
2015-05-04 18:09 <nebadon> yea plus it shows up as their name on stuff like oloh
2015-05-04 18:09 <nebadon> im not stealing peoples thunder
2015-05-04 18:10 <BlueWall> my pi is supposed to be here by usps, they are usually here before noon. not today, lol.
2015-05-04 18:10 <BlueWall> right.
2015-05-04 18:10 <nebadon> nice!
2015-05-04 18:11 <nebadon> that will be cool project 
2015-05-04 18:11 <nebadon> you got the whole kit?
2015-05-04 18:11 <BlueWall> hope it's just a load and go thing.
2015-05-04 18:11 <BlueWall> yes
2015-05-04 18:11 <nebadon> should be
2015-05-04 18:11 <nebadon> use just need to be able to DD the image to the drive
2015-05-04 18:11 <BlueWall> I think I'll have to get a memory 
2015-05-04 18:11 <BlueWall> hmm, do I need a special writer for that?
2015-05-04 18:12 <nebadon> what do you mean?
2015-05-04 18:12 <BlueWall> to put the OS on the chip
2015-05-04 18:12 <nebadon> oh for an SD card?
2015-05-04 18:12 <BlueWall> yes
2015-05-04 18:12 <BlueWall> si that the same as a TF memory card?
2015-05-04 18:12 <nebadon> you will need a SD card reader in a machine to write the image to the card yes
2015-05-04 18:12 <BlueWall> ohhh, lol
2015-05-04 18:13 <nebadon> ya
2015-05-04 18:13 <nebadon> its a microsdx
2015-05-04 18:13 <BlueWall> must go buy a $1,200 machine to prep a $100.00 router
2015-05-04 18:13 <BlueWall> haha
2015-05-04 18:13 <nebadon> you can get cheap USB adapter
2015-05-04 18:13 <nebadon> you are not going to use the laptop drive?
2015-05-04 18:13 <BlueWall> I have an old one I think. Will see if I can attach it.
2015-05-04 18:14 <BlueWall> I possibly could.
2015-05-04 18:14 <nebadon> yea if not usb sd card readers are cheap
2015-05-04 18:14 <BlueWall> that replaces the need for the TF card?
2015-05-04 18:15 <BlueWall> ohhh, $3.00 for a reader
2015-05-04 18:15 <nebadon> ya basically just an adapter
2015-05-04 18:16 <nebadon> so you can plug the sd card into a usb slot
2015-05-04 18:16 <nebadon> nothing fancy
2015-05-04 18:16 <BlueWall> never used those except to pop them in the phone and go
2015-05-04 18:16 <nebadon> then you will something like > sudo dd bs=4M if=2015-04-06-ubuntu-trusty.img of=/dev/sde
2015-05-04 18:16 <BlueWall> ++
2015-05-04 18:17 <nebadon> if you want to make a backup of the card after setting it all up which i highly recommend doing
2015-05-04 18:17 <nebadon> > sudo dd if=/dev/sde | pv | dd of=/DATA1/raspberrypi/ubuntu14.04-2015-04-06.img bs=1M
2015-05-04 18:17 <BlueWall> good idea
2015-05-04 18:17 <nebadon> pv shows you progress
2015-05-04 18:17 <osmantis> Bug #7512:04 llCastRay does not use target avatar rotation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7512 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-04 18:18 <nebadon> kind of handy
2015-05-04 18:18 <nebadon> since its generally slow
2015-05-04 18:18 <nebadon> hard to tell whats going on otherwise
2015-05-04 18:18 <osmantis> Bug #7512:04 llCastRay does not use target avatar rotation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7512 ): has been CLOSED
2015-05-04 18:23 <nebadon> bbiab bike ride time :)
2015-05-04 18:24 <Plugh> Have fun, nebadon
2015-05-04 18:24 <Plugh> BlueWall: What are you going to do with a Pi and which version are you expecting?
2015-05-04 18:24 <BlueWall> I bought a Banana Pi router
2015-05-04 18:24 <Plugh> oh, that. I saw you say Pi which make me think of a different fruit.
2015-05-04 18:24 <BlueWall> 4xswitch 1 want + wireless
2015-05-04 18:25 <Plugh> ok, I remember now. yeah. fun stuff to play with. Which router software are you thinking of trying? OpenWRT or the other one?
2015-05-04 18:25 <BlueWall> it just arrived
2015-05-04 18:25 <BlueWall> yeah, if that works I will use it
2015-05-04 18:25 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-05-04 18:27 <BlueWall> I want to run irc in it
2015-05-04 18:27 <Plugh> easily done
2015-05-04 18:28 <BlueWall> If I put the SATA drive on it, I might run postfix+cyrus imap
2015-05-04 18:28 <BlueWall> this thing is tiny, lol
2015-05-04 18:28 <Plugh> :)
2015-05-04 18:29 <Plugh> How much RAM does it have?
2015-05-04 18:29 <Plugh> and Flash?
2015-05-04 18:29 <BlueWall> I think 1 G
2015-05-04 18:31 <BlueWall> I have to buy a tf memory card to flash
2015-05-04 18:31 <Plugh> tf?
2015-05-04 18:31 <BlueWall> will probably get 32G
2015-05-04 18:31 <BlueWall> SD
2015-05-04 18:31 <Plugh> ok
2015-05-04 18:32 <BlueWall> I have a SATA drive that I can put on it too.
2015-05-04 18:55 <osmantis> Bug #7555:04 This Script Does Not Function But Does In SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7555 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-04 19:19 <nebadon> so BlueWall you still need to get some parts before you can fire that thing up?
2015-05-04 19:20 <BlueWall> I'm working with the SATA disk right now to see if that will work.
2015-05-04 19:20 <nebadon> nice
2015-05-04 19:20 <BlueWall> If not, then I'll take off to the store for a chip and reader.
2015-05-04 19:20 <nebadon> cool
2015-05-04 19:32 <BlueWall> hmm, I'll need an hdmi cable to set it up, I think.
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2015-05-04 19:40 <nebadon> yes BlueWall all the pi's are HDMI
2015-05-04 19:41 <nebadon> i use an adapter for mine
2015-05-04 19:41 <nebadon> to go to DVI-D
2015-05-04 19:41 <BlueWall> yeah, I have an adapter that goes the other way.
2015-05-04 19:42 <BlueWall> now, I have never done one of these - the dd reported about 73 MB
2015-05-04 19:42 <BlueWall> does that sound anything near what it should be?
2015-05-04 19:42 <nebadon> this is what I have
2015-05-04 19:42 <nebadon> http://www.mycablemart.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=4511&gclid=CP2z7pPsqMUCFfRr7AodIlQAZw
2015-05-04 19:42 <nebadon> sounds about right
2015-05-04 19:42 <nebadon> what image are you using?
2015-05-04 19:42 <BlueWall> OpenWRT
2015-05-04 19:42 <nebadon> and how big is the .img file?
2015-05-04 19:42 <nebadon> ya
2015-05-04 19:42 <BlueWall> ohh, 1 sec
2015-05-04 19:42 <Plugh> I use an HDMI to VGA adapater with my RPi
2015-05-04 19:42 <nebadon> OpenWRT is tiny
2015-05-04 19:43 <BlueWall> I guess I will have to boot it to see what distro it's on?
2015-05-04 19:43 <Plugh> yea, it is meant for use on Routers with little fixed program memory
2015-05-04 19:44 <BlueWall> I wonder - is a monitor required? Maybe I can take a shot at bringing it up headless?
2015-05-04 19:44 <osmantis> Bug #7552:04 Add the ability to do a backup of any region given its name ,Needs the AutoBackup module to be running 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7552 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-04 19:44 <nebadon> it probably can be accessed without a monitor
2015-05-04 19:44 <nebadon> hook into the lan
2015-05-04 19:44 <nebadon> and try http://192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1
2015-05-04 19:45 <nebadon> then from the web panel you can enable SSH and stuff
2015-05-04 19:45 <BlueWall> I have a dhcp setup, I'll monitor that when I crank it up
2015-05-04 19:45 <nebadon> ya
2015-05-04 19:45 <BlueWall> oooooo - web
2015-05-04 19:46 <BlueWall> I should hook this and my notebook on a switch by themselves.
2015-05-04 19:46 <BlueWall> ohhhh
2015-05-04 19:46 <BlueWall> I could hook the notebook directly to it - it is  aswitch :)
2015-05-04 19:47 <nebadon> :)
2015-05-04 19:47 <BlueWall> then maybe I can get it to hook to the old wsetell dsl modem on the wan interface
2015-05-04 19:48 <BlueWall> lol, I have absolutly no time to be messing with this atm.
2015-05-04 19:48 <nebadon> if you dd image to the hard drive
2015-05-04 19:48 <nebadon> you are going to have to use gparted or something to expand the partition
2015-05-04 19:48 <BlueWall> ohhh, ok
2015-05-04 19:48 <nebadon> same for the sd card too
2015-05-04 19:48 <BlueWall> I was thinkig about that
2015-05-04 19:48 <nebadon> otherwise it will be a tiny partition
2015-05-04 19:49 <BlueWall> I should just pop it back in the workstation
2015-05-04 19:49 <nebadon> ya i always do it directly on my laptop
2015-05-04 19:49 <nebadon> before popping it back into the pi
2015-05-04 19:49 <nebadon> its much faster
2015-05-04 19:49 <BlueWall> I will make a second one and mount it.
2015-05-04 19:50 <nebadon> ya just dont leave the primary too small
2015-05-04 19:50 <nebadon> you could run into trouble installing stuff / logs etc..
2015-05-04 19:50 <BlueWall> hmmm, yeah. Unless I partition it and move things into those.
2015-05-04 19:51 <BlueWall> mount in /opt /usr , etc.
2015-05-04 19:51 <BlueWall> esp /var/log /var/run
2015-05-04 19:51 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-04 19:51 <BlueWall> but, I guess making a large one for a test drive would be ok
2015-05-04 19:52 <BlueWall> I'll feel pretty lucky If I can get to it :)
2015-05-04 19:52 <nebadon> :)
2015-05-04 19:53 <H-H-H> patch updated guys
2015-05-04 19:53 <BlueWall> hi HHH
2015-05-04 19:53 <H-H-H> hi BlueWall :)
2015-05-04 20:03 <osmantis> Bug #7555:04 This Script Does Not Function But Does In SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7555 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-04 20:14 <nebadon> ok H-H-H
2015-05-04 20:14 <nebadon> let me have a look
2015-05-04 20:15 <Plugh> I'm also looking at bug 7555
2015-05-04 20:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #4155 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-04 20:17 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-04 20:19 <dahlia> nebadon: that patch you applied needs further refinement. The way it is implemented it should probably have a threat level atached to it
2015-05-04 20:19 <nebadon> the doBackup?
2015-05-04 20:20 <dahlia> the llCastRay
2015-05-04 20:20 <nebadon> it only works if the backup module is enabled
2015-05-04 20:20 <nebadon> I didnt think we did threat levels for LSL?
2015-05-04 20:20 <nebadon> does LSL even have any notion of that?
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2015-05-04 20:20 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: Adding the command <dobackup>to opensim console which requires a region name as an argument and will do an oar of that region if the autobackup module is enabled
2015-05-04 20:20 <dahlia> we dont but that patch sneaks in a high cpu algorithm
2015-05-04 20:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #4156 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-04 20:20 <nebadon> hmm I have been testing it with no ill effects at this point
2015-05-04 20:21 <nebadon> but sure, I guess make a comment on the mantis maybe?
2015-05-04 20:21 <dahlia> 
ACTION sighs

2015-05-04 20:21 <nebadon> I am not against it by any means
2015-05-04 20:21 <nebadon> which part are you talking about?
2015-05-04 20:21 <dahlia> I am
2015-05-04 20:21 <dahlia> the new llCastRay patch
2015-05-04 20:21 <nebadon> no I am not against what you are suggesting
2015-05-04 20:22 <dahlia> the one you applied on top of the one I applied last night
2015-05-04 20:22 <dahlia> it overrides a config option I asked for
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2015-05-04 20:22 <nebadon> does it?
2015-05-04 20:22 <dahlia> ues
2015-05-04 20:22 <dahlia> yes
2015-05-04 20:23 <nebadon> I thought it was strictly for v2
2015-05-04 20:23 <dahlia> v2 is the problem
2015-05-04 20:23 <dahlia> v2 is very expensive CPU wise
2015-05-04 20:23 <nebadon> right but v1 is the default
2015-05-04 20:23 <nebadon> isnt it?
2015-05-04 20:23 <nebadon> im confused
2015-05-04 20:23 <Plugh> hm... I don't know if the viewer was fixed or if its my new machine. I've twice TP'ed out of a var to a regular region without a viewer crash.
2015-05-04 20:23 <nebadon> there is an ini option for v1 by default
2015-05-04 20:23 <dahlia> yes but the new patch you applied allows a scripter to override the config option
2015-05-04 20:24 <dahlia> you did read it?
2015-05-04 20:24 <nebadon> yea bit it seemed to be off by default
2015-05-04 20:24 <nebadon> im confused
2015-05-04 20:24 <nebadon> what specifically are you talking about
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2015-05-04 20:25 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: fix a minor whitespace issue
2015-05-04 20:25 <dahlia> please look at the code where it checks which version to use
2015-05-04 20:25 <nebadon> ok brb afk a few
2015-05-04 20:29 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-04 20:39 <nebadon> ok back sorry about that
2015-05-04 20:40 <nebadon> oh right i totally missed that sorry dahlia
2015-05-04 20:41 <dahlia> that patch breaks a lot of conventions
2015-05-04 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-04 20:42 <nebadon> you mean other than that?
2015-05-04 20:42 <dahlia> yes
2015-05-04 20:43 <nebadon> ok should I just revert it then?
2015-05-04 20:43 <nebadon> I certainly have no problem doing that
2015-05-04 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-04 20:44 <nebadon> I am just going to revert it for now
2015-05-04 20:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #4157 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-04 20:46 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2015-05-04 20:48 <nebadon> I was pushing on the new llCastRay pretty hard, seems to work pretty good though
2015-05-04 20:48 <nebadon> I had a few more tests planned just didnt get a chance yet, but so far so good
2015-05-04 20:48 <dahlia> I dont want it running on my sims unless I enable it. I also dont like that LSL was extended beyond the spec
2015-05-04 20:49 <nebadon> ya I agree I totally spaced
2015-05-04 20:49 <dahlia> and I specifically asked in the mantis that it only work if enabled 
2015-05-04 20:49 <nebadon> ya sorry i totally missed your comment
2015-05-04 20:50 <nebadon> otherwise i wouldnt have
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2015-05-04 20:50 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: Revert "Patch llCastRay fully-simplified to V2." for further review.
2015-05-04 20:51 <nebadon> hopefully vegaslon and misterblue can get it working in bulletsim
2015-05-04 20:51 <nebadon> that would be cool
2015-05-04 20:51 <nebadon> we can do away with this version all together
2015-05-04 20:51 <dahlia> that would be ideal
2015-05-04 20:52 <nebadon> cause really even in its current form its not super reliable
2015-05-04 20:52 <nebadon> but its better than before
2015-05-04 20:52 <dahlia> I'd like to have a scene-centric solution, not just one that lives in LSL
2015-05-04 20:53 <dahlia> an efficient one that other modules could also use
2015-05-04 20:53 <dahlia> but I don't expect Magnuz to go to the trouble to do that
2015-05-04 20:54 <H-H-H> nebadon should i close that masntis
2015-05-04 20:54 <nebadon> yep
2015-05-04 20:55 <nebadon> just make sure what I checked in works to your satisfaction
2015-05-04 20:57 <H-H-H> looks fine :) 
2015-05-04 21:14 <osmantis> Bug #7552:04 Add the ability to do a backup of any region given its name ,Needs the AutoBackup module to be running 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7552 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-04 21:15 <osmantis> Bug #7552:04 Add the ability to do a backup of any region given its name ,Needs the AutoBackup module to be running 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7552 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-04 21:15 <H-H-H> bah i always forget you can add a note when setting the status as fixed
2015-05-04 21:28 <osmantis> Bug #7252:04 Multiple right clicks in viewer causes lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7252 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-04 21:47 <nebadon> H-H-H you should close it, not resolve it
2015-05-04 21:47 <nebadon> person applying the patch sets it to resolved, then if you are happy set it to closed
2015-05-04 22:07 <Plugh> I just discovered that in 0.8.0 someone broke the threat level checks for OSSL. 
2015-05-04 22:09 <Plugh> Set allowed OSSL threat level low then use Allow_* to enable certain functions (in this case, the NPC ones), and a script will spew a message to the debug channel that the NPC function isn't allowed due to the allowed threat level and then there is exception style dump after that.
2015-05-04 22:10 <Plugh> It used to work so I was surprised something has changed to prevent the functions from working.
2015-05-04 22:14 <Plugh> dinner time. bbl.
2015-05-04 22:21 <nebadon> that would be surprising Plugh
2015-05-04 22:21 <nebadon> I would think someone else would have noticed that by now
2015-05-04 22:48 <osmantis> Bug #7555:04 This Script Does Not Function But Does In SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7555 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-04 22:54 <Plugh> yeah, I found it odd but I can reproduce the problem.
2015-05-04 22:54 <Plugh> I've only just heard about the issue so I haven't had time to do much investigating.
2015-05-04 22:57 <Plugh> Not sure what's going on but Synaptic is running rather slowly.
2015-05-04 22:59 <Plugh> It takes what seems like forever to process triggers.
2015-05-05 01:12 <osmantis> Bug #7556:04 Teleporting in to 4096 var fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7556 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-05 01:19 <osmantis> Bug #7556:04 Teleporting in to 4096 var fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7556 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-05-05 01:19 <osmantis> Bug #7556:04 Teleporting in to 4096 var fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7556 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-05-05 01:20 <danbanner> thanks neb
2015-05-05 01:20 <nebadon> np
2015-05-05 01:29 <osmantis> Bug #7556:04 Teleporting in to 4096 var fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7556 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-05 01:39 <osmantis> Bug #7556:04 Teleporting in to 4096 var fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7556 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-05 01:42 <osmantis> Bug #7556:04 Teleporting in to 4096 var fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7556 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-05 01:50 <osmantis> Bug #7556:04 Teleporting in to 4096x4096 var fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7556 ): has been UPDATED.
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2015-05-05 04:23 <osmantis> Bug #7557:04 Writing object data into mysql database via script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7557 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-05 04:34 <osmantis> Bug #7557:04 Writing object data into mysql database via script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7557 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-05 04:50 <osmantis> Bug #7557:04 Writing object data into mysql database via script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7557 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-05 04:51 <osmantis> Bug #7557:04 Writing object data into mysql database via script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7557 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-05 04:58 <osmantis> Bug #7557:04 Writing object data into mysql database via script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7557 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-05 05:24 <osmantis> Bug #7252:04 Multiple right clicks in viewer causes lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7252 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-05 06:13 <osmantis> Bug #7557:04 Writing object data into mysql database via script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7557 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-05 06:53 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-05-05 07:37 <osmantis> Bug #7557:04 Writing object data into mysql database via script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7557 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-05 07:46 <shyRob> I tried to build Opensim using xbuild on Debian with Mono 4 but got an error:  Error building target ImplicitlyExpandDesignTimeFacades: startIndex + length cannot exceed length of string.
2015-05-05 07:46 <shyRob> any ideas?
2015-05-05 10:05 <osmantis> Bug #7557:04 Writing object data into mysql database via script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7557 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-05 10:11 <osmantis> Bug #7557:04 Writing object data into mysql database via script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7557 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-05 11:24 <osmantis> Bug #7515:04 both the OpenSim32BitLaunch.exe and the Robust.32BitLaunch.exe files are corrupte and cannot be used on Windows platform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7515 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2015-05-05 15:04 <Plugh> I was on the wrong channel. :)  
2015-05-05 15:04 <Plugh> nebadon: I plan to do some digging in to why I'm getting error messages and stack dump when trying to use the NPC OSSL function
2015-05-05 15:05 <nebadon> ok cool let me know what you find hopefully we can figure it out
2015-05-05 15:06 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-05-05 15:06 <Plugh> It is strange because the LSL script used to work fine. Not sure what might have changed.
2015-05-05 15:07 <BlueWall_> \o from openwrt :)
2015-05-05 15:10 <nebadon> awesome BlueWall_
2015-05-05 15:10 <nebadon> how are you liking it so far?
2015-05-05 15:11 <BlueWall_> I just have it sitting in my network so I can set it all up
2015-05-05 15:11 <BlueWall_> I do.
2015-05-05 15:11 <BlueWall_> I need to do some testing with it to see how it performs, wireless strength, etc.
2015-05-05 15:12 <Plugh> Nice, BlueWall_
2015-05-05 15:13 <Plugh> One issue I have my the software in my router is the mac filtering can't be turned off separately for guest network access.
2015-05-05 15:13 <Plugh> I wonder if that is supported in OpenWRT
2015-05-05 15:13 <BlueWall_> not sure
2015-05-05 15:14 <Plugh> When I have guests over I have to enable guest networking and disable mac filtering for the duration of the guests visit.
2015-05-05 15:14 <BlueWall_> yes, I think they would all act that way
2015-05-05 15:14 <BlueWall_> might just use a password and give them that?
2015-05-05 15:15 <Plugh> I suppose it depends on where in the traffic handling it applies filtering
2015-05-05 15:15 <Plugh> The guest network is password protected.
2015-05-05 15:15 <BlueWall_> I'm not sure how you would do that.
2015-05-05 15:15 <Plugh> Not a big deal. I don't have guests needing access to WiFi very often.
2015-05-05 15:16 <BlueWall_> I have had to do the same in the past.
2015-05-05 15:16 <BlueWall_> mine was wide open till I found the neighbors bouncing through my router :/
2015-05-05 15:17 <Plugh> I think router companies finally woke up and ship routers so that the initial set up requires setting passwords to protect WiFi access.
2015-05-05 15:17 <Plugh> They used to ship wide open.
2015-05-05 15:18 <BlueWall_> I had it protected for login - mac access was open
2015-05-05 15:18 <Plugh> oh
2015-05-05 15:18 <BlueWall_> I did something with the dhcpd in my server to lock it.
2015-05-05 15:19 <BlueWall_> just set static ip for all my devices and disallowed dynamic 
2015-05-05 15:19 <BlueWall_> but that wouldn's solve the guest thing.
2015-05-05 15:20 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-05-05 15:20 <Plugh> I think you would still need dynamic for the guest network users;
2015-05-05 15:20 <BlueWall_> yes
2015-05-05 15:21 <BlueWall_> I will have to use dovecot imap instead of cyrus on this setup.
2015-05-05 15:24 <nebadon> http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/recipes/guest-wlan-webinterface
2015-05-05 15:24 <BlueWall_> ahha
2015-05-05 15:24 <BlueWall_> that is a nice project
2015-05-05 15:24 <nebadon> :)
2015-05-05 15:26 <Plugh> I think I could put OpenWRT on my router but the change over would have to go smoothly so as not to disturb the use of the Internet by other members of the household.
2015-05-05 15:26 <Plugh> If I had a second router I would definitely experiment with it.
2015-05-05 15:26 <BlueWall_> send them to the beach for a long weekend :D
2015-05-05 15:27 <Plugh> hehe
2015-05-05 15:27 <Plugh> I found the recipe that let me telnet in to the router. IIRC, it runs tomato.
2015-05-05 15:31 <Plugh> hmm... compiling OS doesn't seem to use more than about one core at a time.
2015-05-05 15:38 <nebadon> yea I am not sure if you can make xbuild use multiple cores
2015-05-05 15:39 <nebadon> Plugh
2015-05-05 15:39 <nebadon> try xbuild /m
2015-05-05 15:39 <Plugh> ok. Just habit to use 'make'
2015-05-05 15:40 <Plugh> strange. My initial test with a standalone didn't have a problem with creating NPC's. 
2015-05-05 15:45 <nebadon> maybe a configuration issue then?
2015-05-05 15:45 <nebadon> I think we would have had more people complaining had it truly broken
2015-05-05 15:48 <Plugh> The config re: OSSL functions hasn't changed.
2015-05-05 15:49 <Plugh> This is what I see when the script is trying to do an create of an NPC -> http://pastebin.com/nusDgJaq
2015-05-05 15:50 <Plugh> oh. It is the save appearance that threw the exception.
2015-05-05 15:51 <Plugh> hmm....
2015-05-05 15:53 <nebadon> can you paste the line you are using for the allow?
2015-05-05 15:55 <Plugh> bah. My machine has been down so long I've forgotten some of the OS console commands.
2015-05-05 15:55 <Plugh> What is the command to show the ini settings for a section?
2015-05-05 15:56 <Plugh> oh, config show (I think)
2015-05-05 15:58 <Plugh> ok, I forgot(?) to allow osOwnerSaveAppearance
2015-05-05 16:02 <Plugh> Hm... something odd in the OSSL_Api.cs file. It does a threat level check but never tests the return so it will go on to try the operation requested regardless of the threat level.
2015-05-05 16:04 <Plugh> ah, if the threat level checks indicate the function isn't allowed it calls OSSLError which throws an exception and basically spews debug stuff out in to the console.
2015-05-05 16:05 <Plugh> s/console/script and warning dialog box/
2015-05-05 16:07 <osmantis> Bug #7558:04 Script status is not saved. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7558 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-05 16:09 <nebadon> I added mono 4.0 and 4.0.1 to the mantis list of mono versions
2015-05-05 16:11 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, have u tried running a sim with mono 4 yet?
2015-05-05 16:11 <nebadon> yes
2015-05-05 16:11 <nebadon> works well
2015-05-05 16:11 <nebadon> many of my personal regions are running on mono 4 now
2015-05-05 16:12 <AliciaRaven> anything work better that u noticed? less memory usage maybe?
2015-05-05 16:13 <nebadon> its hard to say, maybe little less memory, its not huge by any means
2015-05-05 16:13 <nebadon> i suspect if anything threading might be a bit better
2015-05-05 16:15 <osmantis> Bug #7535:04 Non-Standard avatars bouncing-jerking movement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7535 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-05 16:19 <osmantis> Bug #7535:04 Non-Standard avatars bouncing-jerking movement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7535 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-05 16:19 <AliciaRaven> thats good, i have been having problems with threads recently
2015-05-05 16:20 <AliciaRaven> sims oftern crashed when starting up, fixed it by upping the mono_threads_per_cpu limit
2015-05-05 16:20 <AliciaRaven> well i think i fixed it, too soon to tell
2015-05-05 16:21 <osmantis> Bug #7535:04 Non-Standard avatars bouncing-jerking movement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7535 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-05 16:31 <nebadon> yes you have to up that
2015-05-05 16:31 <nebadon> the default #s are terrible i think the default is 15
2015-05-05 16:31 <nebadon> I wasnt even able to teleport with it set at the defaults
2015-05-05 16:31 <nebadon> even the mono project itself suggests setting it to 2000 for heavily threaded apps
2015-05-05 16:32 <AliciaRaven> yea, i was wondering why its not in the default config, alot of people wouldnt know to change it
2015-05-05 16:32 <AliciaRaven> what do u have set now?
2015-05-05 16:32 <nebadon> I set it to 2048
2015-05-05 16:34 <AliciaRaven> more than me, i think i will push it up to that as os is such a thread chomper
2015-05-05 16:55 <osmantis> Bug #7535:04 Non-Standard avatars bouncing-jerking movement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7535 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-05 17:18 <osmantis> Bug #7544:04 [BULLETSIM LINKSET COMPOUND] Linkset rebuild warning 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7544 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2015-05-05 18:13 <JunkHunk> hello I am using diva r25909 and when path cutting a prim one of its faces gets bright in a way I cannot switch  off please I need a fix!!
2015-05-05 18:20 <nebadon> try a different viewer to be sure?
2015-05-05 18:22 <JunkHunk> oh
2015-05-05 18:22 <JunkHunk> good advice
2015-05-05 18:23 <JunkHunk> okay it is the viewer
2015-05-05 18:23 <nebadon> which viewer?
2015-05-05 18:24 <JunkHunk> using firestorm I see the bright faces...using singularity no
2015-05-05 18:24 <nebadon> ok I would suggest filing a bug report with them for starters
2015-05-05 18:24 <JunkHunk> where?
2015-05-05 18:24 <JunkHunk> firestorm support?
2015-05-05 18:24 <nebadon> ya probably a link on their website let me look
2015-05-05 18:25 <nebadon> http://jira.phoenixviewer.com
2015-05-05 18:25 <nebadon> they have a new beta version 
2015-05-05 18:25 <nebadon> you should try it
2015-05-05 18:26 <nebadon> http://www.firestormviewer.org/firestorm-major-update-4-7-1-45325/
2015-05-05 18:26 <nebadon> try this first before filing any bug reports
2015-05-05 18:26 <nebadon> could already be fixed
2015-05-05 18:27 <nebadon> I also would suggest following this
2015-05-05 18:27 <nebadon> http://wiki.phoenixviewer.com/fs_update_viewer
2015-05-05 18:27 <nebadon> for the best results
2015-05-05 18:41 <osmantis> Bug #7558:04 Script status is not saved. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7558 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-05 18:42 <nebadon> lkalif you around?
2015-05-05 18:42 <osmantis> Bug #7558:04 Script status is not saved. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7558 ): has been ACKNOWLEDGED.
2015-05-05 18:42 <nebadon> you got openmetaverse.org back??
2015-05-05 18:44 <osmantis> Bug #7555:04 This Script Does Not Function But Does In SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7555 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-05 18:57 <osmantis> Bug #7558:04 Script status is not saved. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7558 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-05-05 18:57 <osmantis> Bug #7558:04 Script status is not saved. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7558 ): is now in status NEW (again)
2015-05-05 19:08 <osmantis> Bug #7544:04 [BULLETSIM LINKSET COMPOUND] Linkset rebuild warning 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7544 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2015-05-05 19:16 <JunkHunk> annoying
2015-05-05 19:20 <JunkHunk> no linux 64 version for firestorm
2015-05-05 19:23 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-05 19:23 <JunkHunk> where did I get this version then???? Phoenix_FirestormOS-Betax64_x86_64_4.6.7.42398
2015-05-05 19:24 <JunkHunk> is the one i ve been running for a couple of years now...
2015-05-05 19:24 <JunkHunk> and the now with the brighting faces issue
2015-05-05 19:24 <JunkHunk> but you know what?
2015-05-05 19:25 <JunkHunk> It was working okay and most of the objects I built and copied in the sim aren't displayed correctly with singularity
2015-05-05 19:28 <JunkHunk> I guess the lack of the 64 bits version was the reason I didnt upgrade...
2015-05-05 19:29 <JunkHunk> I ll try with the 32 bits...though I recall having problems launching it under ubuntu because of some old libraries...
2015-05-05 19:30 <JunkHunk> no I wont mess up the system again
2015-05-05 19:30 <JunkHunk> I ll wait for the 64 bits version
2015-05-05 19:30 <JunkHunk> and use singularity meanwhile...
2015-05-05 19:48 <Plugh> Voice chat isn't working properly in latest SinularityAlpha. I can hear others but no one can hear me.
2015-05-05 19:52 <nebadon> should work fine
2015-05-05 19:53 <nebadon> my guess is maybe something with new hardware?
2015-05-05 19:53 <Plugh> It should but it isn't the first time they have broken something.
2015-05-05 19:53 <Plugh> relating to voice chat
2015-05-05 19:53 <Plugh> Skype call testing service was fine.
2015-05-05 19:53 <BlueWall> mine doesn't work at all - I'm guessing that all the updates for chrome media have whacked it somehow.
2015-05-05 19:54 <Plugh> So it isn't just an issue on my machine.
2015-05-05 19:54 <BlueWall> I can't hear or speak.
2015-05-05 19:54 <BlueWall> Linux
2015-05-05 19:54 <Plugh> Interesting. I can hear but can't be heard. I'm also in Linux. I switched to Firestorm and that worked. People could hear me.
2015-05-05 19:54 <nebadon> I always have some kind of voice issue in linux with the LL viewers
2015-05-05 19:55 <nebadon> are you using pulseaudio?
2015-05-05 19:55 <nebadon> maybe install pavucontrol if you dont have it
2015-05-05 19:55 <Plugh> yea, stuck with the dreaded PA
2015-05-05 19:55 <nebadon> pavucontrol is great
2015-05-05 19:55 <nebadon> brb afk a minute
2015-05-05 19:56 <Plugh> Too many darned audio (mixer) control programs in Linux. :P
2015-05-05 19:56 <dahlia> lol
2015-05-05 19:57 <dahlia> all the attempts to "fix" linux audio
2015-05-05 19:57 <Plugh> yea. Pulse audio really messed things up. ALSA worked fine.
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2015-05-05 19:59 <BlueWall> do { :
2015-05-05 19:59 <BlueWall> } while (!HELL_FROZEN_OVER);
2015-05-05 20:00 <Plugh> For the record, I'm running Singularity Alpha 1.8.6 (6498)
2015-05-05 20:01 <dahlia> do { reinvent_wheel(); } untile hell_frozen_over;
2015-05-05 20:01 <Plugh> hehe, yeah
2015-05-05 20:01 <BlueWall> lol
2015-05-05 20:01 <dahlia> grrr misspelling compile fail
2015-05-05 20:01 <Plugh> No, that's appropriate to indicate how buggy is the situation  :)
2015-05-05 20:01 <dahlia> lol
2015-05-05 20:02 <Plugh> I've got alsamixer, I used to have gnome-mixer (or was it gtk-mixer), and now pavucontrol.
2015-05-05 20:03 <BlueWall> Install jackd + Ardur
2015-05-05 20:03 <dahlia> thats kinda overkill 
2015-05-05 20:04 <dahlia> my sound works so I dont want to touch anything ;)
2015-05-05 20:04 <BlueWall> if it does, then don't, lol
2015-05-05 20:04 <dahlia> pulse on kubuntu 14.04
2015-05-05 20:05 <dahlia> but I think I uninstalled and reinstalled kde a few times due to some apt bug
2015-05-05 20:10 <Plugh> yeah, my sound is working. Took a few years before PulseAudio fixed the things they broke. Only SIngularity isn't working with the mic in my web cam.
2015-05-05 20:11 <Plugh> I've been updating my webserver configuration and my wiki. Hadn't updated the local copy of the wiki software in quite a while and the webserver needed a conf file updated for use with authz under apache 2.4
2015-05-05 20:13 <Plugh> bbl
2015-05-05 20:20 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-05 20:31 <osmantis> Bug #7544:04 [BULLETSIM LINKSET COMPOUND] Linkset rebuild warning 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7544 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007191.
2015-05-05 20:31 <osmantis> Bug #7191:04 [BULLETSIM] exception with linkset on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7191 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007544.
2015-05-05 20:37 <nebadon> got my raspberry pi upgraded to mono 4.0.1 and running in release mode :)
2015-05-05 20:38 <BlueWall> ha
2015-05-05 20:56 <dahlia> dont seem to have any trouble teleporting to a 4096x4096 region on my grid
2015-05-05 20:56 <dahlia> in fact it's rather fast
2015-05-05 20:59 <dahlia> lol that's a srsly big region
2015-05-05 21:00 <BlueWall> Dahlia's Montanna Ranch
2015-05-05 21:00 <dahlia> 
ACTION drives the McLaren around in 10th gear

2015-05-05 21:00 <BlueWall> :)
2015-05-05 21:04 <CrasherRob> I think more work is needed on mantis 7514. While the fix might prevent new xmlns:xmlns: entries from being created in an IAR or OAR, it does nothing to repair existing errors. That is, creating a new IAR leaves those entries in the created IAR and loading that created IAR does not remove the entries. Additionally, when saving an IAR I get a lot of messages "... encountered errors in properties FlexiGravity." This last error
2015-05-05 21:04 <CrasherRob> occurs only on linux.
2015-05-05 21:05 <CrasherRob> And the FlexiGravity error message appears only in the log, not on the console.
2015-05-05 21:06 <dahlia> truncated?
2015-05-05 21:09 <CrasherRob> The message isn't truncated. More completely, it's "Parsing PrimitiveBaseShape for object part <uuid-goes-here> encountered errors in properties FlexiGravity."
2015-05-05 21:09 <CrasherRob> Away for a bit.
2015-05-05 21:11 <nebadon> dahlia one difference with the OSgrid 4096 I think it might have Wright Plaza loaded into the corner
2015-05-05 21:11 <dahlia> nebadon: oh mine is pretty well isolated
2015-05-05 21:12 <nebadon> CrasherRob we cant fix existing assets
2015-05-05 21:12 <nebadon> no i mean it has WP oar loaded 
2015-05-05 21:12 <nebadon> so shit ton of content
2015-05-05 21:12 <dahlia> oh
2015-05-05 21:12 <dahlia> maybe I try with wp oar
2015-05-05 21:25 <CrasherRob> OK. I guess I can expand the IAR and fix my invalid entries by hand.
2015-05-05 21:27 <dahlia> someone could probably write a fixer program
2015-05-05 21:28 <dahlia> like a fancy shell script or whatnot
2015-05-05 21:28 <dahlia> 
ACTION volunteers justincc (since he isn't here)

2015-05-05 21:36 <dahlia> nebadon: ya seems to fail with the wp oar loaded in the corner
2015-05-05 23:11 <osmantis> Bug #7540:04 [PATCH] Correct some metrics in the Sim Stats Reporter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7540 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-05 23:17 <osmantis> Bug #7559:04 disallowed by filter error on scripting object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7559 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-06 00:35 <osmantis> Bug #7559:04 disallowed by filter error on scripting object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7559 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 02:41 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 02:45 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 03:28 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 03:31 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 03:32 <nebadon> SammyG3 see my last note
2015-05-06 03:51 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, that bug report shows a SIGSEGV at the same point i had when i was saying earlier about crash on start up
2015-05-06 03:51 <AliciaRaven> right after the console message "Loaded X objects from the datastore"
2015-05-06 03:53 <nebadon> what kernel do you run?
2015-05-06 03:53 <AliciaRaven> lower than the one people are crashing, let me check...
2015-05-06 03:53 <AliciaRaven> Ubuntu 14.04.2 with kernel 3.10.23
2015-05-06 03:54 <nebadon> hmm ok thats lower than what I have
2015-05-06 03:54 <nebadon> im running 3.11
2015-05-06 03:54 <nebadon> is it happening constantly for you?
2015-05-06 03:54 <nebadon> or just random thing?
2015-05-06 03:54 <AliciaRaven> upping the mono thread limit fixed that, but its strange it was the same point he got the sigsegv
2015-05-06 03:54 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-06 03:54 <AliciaRaven> random, only on start up
2015-05-06 03:54 <nebadon> i guess maybe we could recommend he try the thread thing too
2015-05-06 03:55 <nebadon> though i think Allen recommends that up higher
2015-05-06 03:55 <AliciaRaven> but hasnt happened since changing mono threads, but i havnt started much since
2015-05-06 03:55 <nebadon> he does
2015-05-06 03:55 <AliciaRaven> restarted*
2015-05-06 03:55 <nebadon> first response from allen is to do that
2015-05-06 03:56 <AliciaRaven> he says he uses MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU=150 and doesnt say he tried any higher, then says he changed os
2015-05-06 03:56 <AliciaRaven> 150 still is low
2015-05-06 03:57 <AliciaRaven> i used same mono as him also
2015-05-06 03:57 <AliciaRaven> which i need to upgrade, 3.2.8 is abit dated now
2015-05-06 03:57 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-06 03:58 <AliciaRaven> i would think he gave up too soon and should have tried higher threads for mono, seems like it gets thread starved during startup maybe meshing stuff
2015-05-06 04:00 <AliciaRaven> nebadon screenshot i had of last time it happened http://www.spellscape.co.uk/alicia/loading_sigsegv.gif
2015-05-06 04:00 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 04:01 <nebadon> hmm yea
2015-05-06 04:02 <nebadon> that is the same error i see if i upgrade to opensuse 13.2 with newer kernel
2015-05-06 04:02 <SammyG3> nebadon, just restarted my regions per your last note... will followup
2015-05-06 04:02 <nebadon> even with threads at 2048
2015-05-06 04:02 <nebadon> k thanks SammyG3
2015-05-06 04:02 <nebadon> also what is your MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU= set to in .bashrc?
2015-05-06 04:03 <AliciaRaven> whos?
2015-05-06 04:03 <nebadon> SammyG3
2015-05-06 04:03 <SammyG3> Checking
2015-05-06 04:03 <SammyG3> I dont have it set
2015-05-06 04:03 <nebadon> ok that may be your problem then
2015-05-06 04:04 <SammyG3> thing is, i havent really had much of a problem until last month or so...
2015-05-06 04:04 <nebadon> ya
2015-05-06 04:04 <SammyG3> was thinking it may have been newer kernels
2015-05-06 04:04 <nebadon> eventually you will rez something that pushes you over the edge
2015-05-06 04:04 <SammyG3> I try to go stock, unless otherwised forced to do otherwise, lol
2015-05-06 04:04 <nebadon> add this to your .bashrc
2015-05-06 04:04 <nebadon> export MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU=2048
2015-05-06 04:04 <nebadon> export MONO_GC_PARAMS=nursery-size=64m
2015-05-06 04:04 <SammyG3> ok
2015-05-06 04:04 <nebadon> and restart bash
2015-05-06 04:05 <nebadon> ya stock mono just isnt good enough
2015-05-06 04:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #4158 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-06 04:06 <SammyG3> I should be able to just add those to my startup script right
2015-05-06 04:06 <SammyG3> instead of bashrc
2015-05-06 04:06 <nebadon> no
2015-05-06 04:06 <SammyG3> k
2015-05-06 04:06 <nebadon> add it to bashrc
2015-05-06 04:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4158: FAILURE in 7 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4158/
2015-05-06 04:06 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Refactored some code that is used in two different dlls related to SOP rewriting. Also added some unit tests that relate to mantis #7514
2015-05-06 04:07 <VectraOrigins> Hey all can someone help me setup opensim? :)
2015-05-06 04:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #4159 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4157 1 day 7 hr ago)
2015-05-06 04:09 <nebadon> rut roh
2015-05-06 04:10 <nebadon> ah looks like it got further this time on jenkins
2015-05-06 04:10 <nebadon> should pass
2015-05-06 04:10 <diva> yeah, the changes in prebuild were missing
2015-05-06 04:11 <diva> justin will be happy, I added two unit tests
2015-05-06 04:11 <nebadon> :)
2015-05-06 04:12 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-05-06 04:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4159: FIXED in 4 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4159/
2015-05-06 04:12 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Forgot this file in the last commit
2015-05-06 04:12 <nebadon> diva we discussed another nasty one today at the meeting
2015-05-06 04:13 <nebadon> inventory problem with teleporting on HG
2015-05-06 04:13 <nebadon> can clobber a region
2015-05-06 04:13 <nebadon> if I log into Grid A with cleared cache and large enough inventory that I can teleport before it finishes downloaded
2015-05-06 04:13 <diva> what do you mean
2015-05-06 04:13 <diva> ah yes
2015-05-06 04:13 <nebadon> when you arrive at Grid B you pretty much clobber that region
2015-05-06 04:14 <nebadon> not good
2015-05-06 04:14 <diva> maybe I shouldn't let ppl HG teleport in that case
2015-05-06 04:14 <nebadon> ya I suppose with suitcase lockdown thats only solution?
2015-05-06 04:14 <nebadon> is that the reason it fails?
2015-05-06 04:15 <diva> the client will proceed to bombard the sim for folders that the sim can't retrieve. It will be a bad situation, including for the viewer
2015-05-06 04:15 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-06 04:15 <nebadon> i actually expereinced it testing your fixes other day
2015-05-06 04:15 <nebadon> and kind of wrote it off cause i hadnt really experienced it myself
2015-05-06 04:15 <nebadon> but apparantly there is a very long running mantis on this topic
2015-05-06 04:16 <diva> which one
2015-05-06 04:16 <nebadon> and its really putting a damper on large gatherings
2015-05-06 04:16 <nebadon> let me see if i can find it
2015-05-06 04:16 <nebadon> 1 sec
2015-05-06 04:16 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054
2015-05-06 04:17 <nebadon> the big problem it seems
2015-05-06 04:17 <nebadon> is that sometimes it takes a real long time for peoples inventory to populate
2015-05-06 04:17 <nebadon> and they dont even realize
2015-05-06 04:17 <osmantis> Bug #7514:04 Can't rez items from OSGrid on my own grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7514 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-06 04:17 <nebadon> they hop out to a big gathering at a HG location and kill the region
2015-05-06 04:17 <nebadon> person crashes
2015-05-06 04:17 <nebadon> and logs back in and instantly teleports back
2015-05-06 04:18 <nebadon> and the cycle continues
2015-05-06 04:18 <diva> oh great, justin has assigned it to himself!
2015-05-06 04:18 <nebadon> hes not really looking at it
2015-05-06 04:18 <nebadon> he was there today
2015-05-06 04:18 <nebadon> he assigned it to himself on > 2014-03-19 01:04 
2015-05-06 04:18 <nebadon> sooo
2015-05-06 04:18 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-06 04:18 <diva> wait, that mantis is for some other bug
2015-05-06 04:18 <diva> I know that other bug
2015-05-06 04:19 <diva> (I can probably fix it too)
2015-05-06 04:19 <nebadon> its all kind of 1 big bug of death
2015-05-06 04:19 <nebadon> its like a nasty domino 
2015-05-06 04:19 <diva> no, it's two bugs
2015-05-06 04:19 <nebadon> well yes but one can cause the other
2015-05-06 04:19 <nebadon> becase inventory never finsihes downloading
2015-05-06 04:19 <diva> there's a bug in the intial inventory download independent of HG
2015-05-06 04:19 <nebadon> right
2015-05-06 04:19 <nebadon> but because it never finishes
2015-05-06 04:19 <nebadon> when they teleport
2015-05-06 04:19 <diva> so tat needs to be fixed
2015-05-06 04:19 <nebadon> they are the harbinger of death
2015-05-06 04:20 <diva> I don't like to clobber issues. One at a time
2015-05-06 04:20 <nebadon> sure
2015-05-06 04:20 <diva> the login one is serious -- inventory never finishes downloading
2015-05-06 04:20 <nebadon> right
2015-05-06 04:20 <nebadon> cause if you fix other one first
2015-05-06 04:20 <nebadon> that means forget HG
2015-05-06 04:20 <diva> I fixed it, but habven't had time to test all the consequences
2015-05-06 04:20 <nebadon> ahh ok
2015-05-06 04:20 <nebadon> BlueWall thought maybe you fixed
2015-05-06 04:20 <diva> i haven't pushed
2015-05-06 04:21 <nebadon> but i wasnt sure I couldnt recall
2015-05-06 04:21 <nebadon> ok we were both right then!
2015-05-06 04:21 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-06 04:21 <diva> I can, and you can tell me how it goes, because it's really impossible for me to test it properly at this point
2015-05-06 04:21 <nebadon> yea I cant really test that one either
2015-05-06 04:21 <nebadon> ive never experienced it
2015-05-06 04:21 <diva> of course you did! :)
2015-05-06 04:21 <nebadon> I can test the teleport before inventory populates though
2015-05-06 04:21 <diva> you just didn't notice
2015-05-06 04:21 <diva> you and your monster inventory are the prime victims for that bug
2015-05-06 04:21 <nebadon> ive never really had my inventory not populate
2015-05-06 04:22 <nebadon> i would notice
2015-05-06 04:22 <nebadon> i do have crazy faster internet though
2015-05-06 04:22 <diva> my student had a 40% reproduction rate on her bots with large nventories
2015-05-06 04:22 <nebadon> which i think could be a factor
2015-05-06 04:22 <nebadon> I have a very good router too
2015-05-06 04:23 <nebadon> my 47k intenventory downloads in like 90 seconds
2015-05-06 04:23 <diva> anyway, I can send up the fix, and ppl can tell me. But I hate to clobber this on that mantis, if that mantis has morphed into HG issues
2015-05-06 04:23 <nebadon> at most
2015-05-06 04:23 <nebadon> yea I know Aine expereinces it a lot
2015-05-06 04:23 <nebadon> so she can test it
2015-05-06 04:23 <nebadon> Aine = Mata Hari
2015-05-06 04:23 <diva> but I don't want ppl to start mixing the two issues
2015-05-06 04:23 <nebadon> person who opened that bug report
2015-05-06 04:23 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-06 04:24 <nebadon> Mata is good at following direction
2015-05-06 04:24 <nebadon> so thats not a problem
2015-05-06 04:24 <diva> ok, let me send that up
2015-05-06 04:25 <nebadon> ok, I can atleast let you know it hasnt made my experience any worse :)
2015-05-06 04:25 <nebadon> this is just a simulator update?
2015-05-06 04:26 <diva> yes
2015-05-06 04:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #4160 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2015-05-06 04:31 <nebadon> compiling :)
2015-05-06 04:31 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 04:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4160: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4160/
2015-05-06 04:33 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Attempt at fixing mantis #7054. The two inventory threads are stepping on each other's feet. This needs real-world testing, as I'm not sure of all the consequences of reducing the number of worker threads to 1.
2015-05-06 04:39 <nebadon> well diva nothing has gotten any worse for me :)
2015-05-06 04:39 <diva> that's good 
2015-05-06 04:42 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 04:47 <nebadon> a good place to test this might be my Raspberry Pi region
2015-05-06 04:47 <nebadon> let me update that and beat it to death
2015-05-06 04:48 <diva> ok I'm going to bed, you can tell me tomorrow
2015-05-06 04:48 <nebadon> ok will do
2015-05-06 05:16 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 05:31 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 05:57 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 07:04 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 08:37 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 13:11 <frnic> Can someone respond to MOSE about whether or not their CLA has been seen and accepted? It is as if the dev’s dont want MOSE involved.
2015-05-06 13:44 <nebadon> frnic what are you talking about we are well beyond that
2015-05-06 13:46 <nebadon> hmm I see Dougs email, I told he to consider it received, unfortunately Justin probably wont be responding to emails anytime soon
2015-05-06 13:47 <nebadon> diva can you respond to doug? to be honest I kind of want to stay removed from it myself
2015-05-06 13:52 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 13:52 <diva> what needs to be done, a signature?
2015-05-06 13:52 <diva> do yo know where justin is?
2015-05-06 13:53 <nebadon> hes around but I would not expect much from him at this point
2015-05-06 13:53 <nebadon> he said he is not checking his email at this point still
2015-05-06 13:53 <nebadon> he is also not on skype either
2015-05-06 13:53 <nebadon> ive emailed him several times in the past few weeks gotten no response
2015-05-06 13:54 <nebadon> he has been at the last 2 dev meetings thats only time ive been able to speak to him
2015-05-06 13:54 <diva> ok
2015-05-06 13:54 <frnic> thank you
2015-05-06 13:54 <nebadon> I am sure he will be back around soon
2015-05-06 13:55 <nebadon> but I would not expect him to dive right into what Doug is doing
2015-05-06 13:55 <nebadon> or be involved at all for that matter with that
2015-05-06 13:56 <nebadon> not saying he definitely won't but I would not assume at this point he will
2015-05-06 14:35 <Plugh> A recent MOSES video showed some features of a grid management interface. Is that something they plan to provide as a public release?
2015-05-06 14:35 <nebadon> it is already Plugh
2015-05-06 14:36 <nebadon> however it requires running Simiangrid so its very limited scope
2015-05-06 14:36 <Plugh> Oh. I must have missed seeing the notice that pointed to where it is located.
2015-05-06 14:36 <Plugh> oh, ok. That may not be of much help to any of the things I'm doing.
2015-05-06 14:37 <nebadon> speak of the devil
2015-05-06 14:37 <nebadon> mheilman can answer your MIAB / MGM / MOSES questions I am sure :)
2015-05-06 14:38 <Plugh> 
ACTION waves to mheilman

2015-05-06 14:38 <mheilman> oh, hello
2015-05-06 14:38 <nebadon> Plugh was just asking about MGM
2015-05-06 14:38 <Plugh> I was just commenting on a MOSES video that showed a grid management system.
2015-05-06 14:38 <mheilman> ok, great.  I wrote MGM
2015-05-06 14:39 <Plugh> Can that be used with any OpenSim based grid?
2015-05-06 14:40 <mheilman> It cannot.  It leverages the REST controls exposed by Simiangrid for some of its user and group management functionality.  I have not explored runniing it against a Robust based grid.
2015-05-06 14:41 <Plugh> Oh. So it isn't making use of the remote admin console feature of OS.
2015-05-06 14:42 <mheilman> Writing MGM for MOSES was part of my job, so I had to target the front-end we are using, and my hands are pretty tied concerning development of work-related things on my own time.
2015-05-06 14:42 <mheilman> No, its not.  Any opensim functionality it uses is directed through normal REST console on the regions.
2015-05-06 14:44 <mheilman> We were trying to avoid opensim modifications, and all relevant commands were already available through there.
2015-05-06 14:45 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-05-06 14:46 <nebadon> mheilman just a heads up I asked diva to respond to Dougs email about CLA
2015-05-06 14:46 <nebadon> oh heh
2015-05-06 14:46 <nebadon> and there diva is :)
2015-05-06 14:46 <nebadon> Justin is still kind of no a hiatus hence the delay on that
2015-05-06 14:46 <mheilman> nebadon, thanks.  Doug was asking me about that this morning
2015-05-06 14:47 <nebadon> and diva is kind of easing back into things again now too, so please let him know we are not ignoring him
2015-05-06 14:47 <nebadon> but the Overte team was just out of pocket for a bit
2015-05-06 14:47 <Plugh> I haven't used simiangrid and I don't know what that REST thing is. I thought the MGM might have helped me in administering a grid. I have the ability to manage some of it via web based interface but looking to consolidate in to one place and allow other staff to do do some grid operations.
2015-05-06 14:47 <mheilman> no problem.  The next patch we are preparing is going through additional testing right now, but he wants that to be cleared up as soon as possible
2015-05-06 14:48 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-05-06 14:48 <nebadon> sure, we will do that asap
2015-05-06 14:48 <mheilman> We would like to follow all the rules
2015-05-06 14:48 <nebadon> yea we have definitely received it, and hopefully there will be a response soon on that
2015-05-06 14:49 <diva> mheilman the CLA is something relatively informal at this point. It's more to protect the project as whole than to protect the contributors. Overte is an informal organization at this point, because we don't have the resources to run it officially anymore
2015-05-06 14:49 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 14:49 <diva> we like ot have the CLA anyways, it's a good way of showing the good intentions of the contributors
2015-05-06 14:50 <mheilman> btw nebadon, I saw the video on your physics test.  We are creating our own, but the developer is having trouble spawning more than say 376 objects in a loop.  Is there a ddos pretection config or similar hiding we can turn off for testing?
2015-05-06 14:50 <diva> I'll ask Doug to send it to me, and either Melanie or I will sign it
2015-05-06 14:50 <nebadon> hmm mheilman not that I am aware of
2015-05-06 14:50 <mheilman> I'll let him know to expect it, he receives a lot of email in his position
2015-05-06 14:51 <diva> mheilman -- don't place scripts on those objects
2015-05-06 14:51 <Plugh> mheilman: One thing I've noticed when working on a dome builder script is that I had to add a small delay in the rez loop. If I rezzed pieces too quickly some wouldn't show up or the script just seemed to stop working.
2015-05-06 14:51 <nebadon> yea I suspect your problem is xengine mheilman and not the script engine
2015-05-06 14:51 <nebadon> are there scripts inside the physical objects?
2015-05-06 14:51 <mheilman> the scripts are in stationary spawners, though he tells me the objects contain a single script to simplify cleanup
2015-05-06 14:51 <mheilman> I'll let him know
2015-05-06 14:52 <nebadon> you are better off using the > delete object name <name> 
2015-05-06 14:52 <nebadon> to clean them up
2015-05-06 14:52 <nebadon> on the regio console
2015-05-06 14:52 <nebadon> name the physical objects something specific
2015-05-06 14:52 <diva> mheilman: if they have a script make suire that scrip doesn't do timers or sleeps
2015-05-06 14:52 <diva> timers and sleeps in xengine are a kiss of death
2015-05-06 14:52 <nebadon> 1000s of listens could be bad too
2015-05-06 14:52 <nebadon> which is what i suspect is the problem here
2015-05-06 14:53 <mheilman> ok, thanks
2015-05-06 14:53 <diva> yes listeners too
2015-05-06 14:53 <nebadon> what i do on my test my spheres are all named "rezzed"
2015-05-06 14:53 <nebadon> and on the console I type "delete object name rezzed"
2015-05-06 14:53 <nebadon> and poof
2015-05-06 14:53 <nebadon> they all disappear
2015-05-06 14:54 <nebadon> you get a confirmation prompt on the console and it shows you how many objects there are as well
2015-05-06 14:54 <mheilman> fantastic.  Our exploding wall is rather heavily scripted, but it needed to perform with zero console access
2015-05-06 14:54 <nebadon> use osConsoleCommand
2015-05-06 14:55 <nebadon> if its a trusted environment shouldnt be a problem
2015-05-06 14:55 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsConsoleCommand
2015-05-06 14:55 <nebadon> though hmm
2015-05-06 14:55 <nebadon> the prompt might make that not work
2015-05-06 14:55 <nebadon> possibly passing a Y as a second command might trigger it
2015-05-06 14:56 <nebadon> would need to test that
2015-05-06 14:57 <mheilman> That would reduce the scripting load, but we still have a non-phys to phys transition that is scripted.
2015-05-06 14:57 <nebadon> really we need to fix xengine
2015-05-06 14:57 <diva> I have an object rezzer that I use to trace routes, nothing fancy, no physics or anything. I drop one per 10 seconds of so, manually as I walk the routes. That thing makes the sim freeze after I rez about 70 objects. XEngine is just a pain.
2015-05-06 14:58 <nebadon> yes
2015-05-06 14:58 <nebadon> that drives me nutso
2015-05-06 14:58 <nebadon> hehe
2015-05-06 14:58 <mheilman> I'm curious, has anyone put any thought into what a fixed xEngine is, or is this just general awareness of the problem?
2015-05-06 14:58 <nebadon> xengine I think is one of the biggest performace issues opensimulator has right now
2015-05-06 14:58 <nebadon> needs to handle threads better
2015-05-06 14:58 <nebadon> handle appdomains better
2015-05-06 14:59 <diva> there are so manhy problems with xengine... some of bug fixes, but others are design issues
2015-05-06 14:59 <Plugh> I've only gotten as far as looking at the parsing of scripts. There are issues there which need fixing.
2015-05-06 14:59 <diva> threading is just non-existing
2015-05-06 14:59 <nebadon> xengine is definitely the monkey wrench in the gears right now if you ask me
2015-05-06 14:59 <diva> microthreading, that is -- scripts being interrupted in the midde of executions
2015-05-06 15:00 <nebadon> its so easy to break xengine
2015-05-06 15:00 <diva> we don't have that, and that's a very difficult problem to tackle in the way xengine is designed
2015-05-06 15:01 <diva> also, there's no proper isolation between the script engine and the sim, so if things go wrong with it, it brings the whole sim down
2015-05-06 15:01 <diva> again, a tough design issue
2015-05-06 15:02 <nebadon> another really bad design thing is the appdomain
2015-05-06 15:03 <nebadon> under mono you can only run a single appdomain which means you can never unload scripts
2015-05-06 15:03 <nebadon> its just 1 big memory / thread leak time bomb
2015-05-06 15:03 <nebadon> as avatars come in wearing scripted attachments, they get loaded
2015-05-06 15:03 <mheilman> I wish I could take a look; I find it very interesting.  I'm going to be implementing an html5 client into MGM next though
2015-05-06 15:03 <nebadon> and only way they get unloaded is restart the entire simulation
2015-05-06 15:03 <diva> what's MGM?
2015-05-06 15:04 <mheilman> Thats interesting nebadon, we are always running under mono, but we have had estates request a single appdomain to fix problems, well, with supposed results
2015-05-06 15:04 <Plugh> 
ACTION wonders why the appdomain thing was created in the first place.

2015-05-06 15:04 <mheilman> they stopped complaining
2015-05-06 15:04 <nebadon> mheilman yes it does run a lot better under mono with a single app domain
2015-05-06 15:04 <mheilman> appdomains are a code-isolation mechanism in .net, so a crash or vulnerability doesnt affect the parent application, funny enough
2015-05-06 15:04 <nebadon> yes unfortunately mono is not good at it 
2015-05-06 15:05 <mheilman> diva, MGM is the MOSES grid manager that I wrote for user management
2015-05-06 15:05 <nebadon> atleast our implementation with xengine, its quite terrible
2015-05-06 15:05 <Plugh> Right so why did someone make it so appdomains could be turned off if it such a down side.
2015-05-06 15:05 <nebadon> replacing or fixing xengine would yeild the largest performance gains for opensimulator
2015-05-06 15:05 <nebadon> i have no doubt
2015-05-06 15:05 <nebadon> new physics engine will likely provide little to no benefit
2015-05-06 15:05 <Plugh> Would be interesting to see how the appdomain stuff is handled. Perhaps there would be a way to garbage collect dead scripts.
2015-05-06 15:06 <mheilman> its sort of a diva distribution for MOSES grids with a simiangrid front end, and a lot of extra functionality tacked on
2015-05-06 15:06 <nebadon> Plugh when you run in a single domain you can not garbage collect
2015-05-06 15:06 <nebadon> however
2015-05-06 15:06 <nebadon> what I beleive LL does is reload the appdomain into a new domain
2015-05-06 15:06 <nebadon> to clear out the junk
2015-05-06 15:06 <Plugh> nebadon: You can't now, but perhaps it would be possible with code changes.
2015-05-06 15:06 <nebadon> sort of a quasi garbage collector
2015-05-06 15:07 <Plugh> right
2015-05-06 15:07 <mheilman> I agree on the physics engine and performance gains.  We are looking at it more for functional improvements than expecting it to be a magic bullet for Opensim
2015-05-06 15:07 <Plugh> Would be nice to have some of the missing physics functions supported.
2015-05-06 15:08 <mheilman> I know Doug's priorities are very fast ray-casting, and ground vehicles
2015-05-06 15:08 <Plugh> Its been tough trying to get objects to move along preset paths, or for me getting a travelling balloon working properly.
2015-05-06 15:09 <nebadon> ya we were talking about incorporating bulletsim raycast into llCastRay
2015-05-06 15:09 <nebadon> we have some really nice BulletSim vehicles now though
2015-05-06 15:10 <nebadon> cars anyway
2015-05-06 15:10 <nebadon> ive not gone much beyond car type vehicles at this point
2015-05-06 15:10 <nebadon> but its pretty good
2015-05-06 15:13 <mheilman> we're hoping to get suspensions in, but the team that will look at it is still working on the metrics
2015-05-06 15:14 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 15:15 <nebadon> yea that is tough
2015-05-06 15:15 <nebadon> latency from simulator to viewer
2015-05-06 15:15 <nebadon> makes that very difficult to do well
2015-05-06 15:15 <nebadon> one of the downsides of server side physics
2015-05-06 15:15 <nebadon> we experimented a bit with that on ODE
2015-05-06 15:16 <nebadon> even low latency kind of degrades the experience a bit
2015-05-06 15:16 <nebadon> hard to keep things synced up
2015-05-06 15:16 <mheilman> Absolutely, it would require decent physics client side, and the server side is only authoritative, not the sole source for updates.
2015-05-06 15:39 <osmantis> Bug #7554:04 llSetPrimitiveParams : a combination of cut and dimple degenerates the sphere 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7554 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 15:46 <osmantis> Bug #7558:04 Script status is not saved. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7558 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 16:04 <Ken_S> nebadon, didnt I hear that the Aurora project develop their own XEngine, and would it possibly still be compatible with OS?
2015-05-06 16:05 <nebadon> I don't know Ken_S most of the stuff in Aurora can't be easily ported into opensimulator
2015-05-06 16:05 <nebadon> and from what i can tell Aurora stuff isnt very well tested
2015-05-06 16:06 <Ken_S> I know it diverged a lot from OS, which I really hated to see happen.
2015-05-06 16:06 <H-H-H> it was a modified xengine
2015-05-06 16:06 <nebadon> may work well in certain environments, its hard to say if it would hold up under the same standards as opensimulator
2015-05-06 16:06 <Ken_S> Was just wondering if maybe the interface to it was still the same.
2015-05-06 16:06 <H-H-H> 
ACTION is an ex Aurora dev

2015-05-06 16:06 <nebadon> I personally havent used Aurora so I can't say
2015-05-06 16:07 <Ken_S> As a whole, everyone says Aurora is not as stable as OS, but they say it is much faster.
2015-05-06 16:07 <nebadon> and that is a major problem
2015-05-06 16:07 <nebadon> faster isnt better if it crashes more
2015-05-06 16:07 <Ken_S> You would think that, but those who have used it say the crashes are worth the speed.
2015-05-06 16:08 <Ken_S> IDK personally, just what people have told me that have used it.
2015-05-06 16:08 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-06 16:08 <nebadon> I don't know anyone using it to make much evaluation myself, like you ive kind of heard second hand
2015-05-06 16:08 <Ken_S> I know Robert brought over the var region stuff from it.
2015-05-06 16:08 <nebadon> alot of people try it, say its great, then end up back on opensimulator
2015-05-06 16:09 <Ken_S> lol
2015-05-06 16:09 <H-H-H> the idea of vars came from Aurora but i doubt the code did
2015-05-06 16:09 <nebadon> yea I think our implementation is totally new
2015-05-06 16:09 <nebadon> there may be bits and peices
2015-05-06 16:09 <nebadon> but it wasnt a direct porting of code
2015-05-06 16:10 <Ken_S> I recall seeing a video at one time of a huge var of like 100x100 sims on Aurora actually working without noticable lag.
2015-05-06 16:10 <nebadon> and from what I recall when Rev was kind of on a tirade about destroying opensim, he kind of went out of his way to make patches very hard to port
2015-05-06 16:10 <nebadon> by his own admission
2015-05-06 16:10 <nebadon> which is a shame
2015-05-06 16:11 <nebadon> but I think the gains are probably not as good as we would like to ultimately see
2015-05-06 16:11 <Ken_S> Yes, that approach hurt both projects, and pretty much killed his in the end.
2015-05-06 16:11 <nebadon> i personally will not trade stability for performance
2015-05-06 16:11 <OtakuMegane_> I can tolerate an occassional crash if it's a tradeoff for a drastic speed increase or amazing feature(s) but it's got to be pretty big.
2015-05-06 16:11 <Ken_S> I am on the road in in the air too much to deal with unreliability
2015-05-06 16:12 <H-H-H> I really wish instead of ppl beating on os and saying they can do better and then forkong and doing what Aurora did that they used that energy to actually make os better for everyone
2015-05-06 16:12 <OtakuMegane_> If AUrora provided the scale of improvement I would require to tolerate some extra instability we'd probably hear a lot more about it. :P
2015-05-06 16:13 <nebadon> yea I agree H-H-H spite forking is never good
2015-05-06 16:13 <nebadon> even if the person is technically good at what they do
2015-05-06 16:13 <nebadon> Rev was young
2015-05-06 16:13 <nebadon> its hard to totally get mad at him
2015-05-06 16:13 <Ken_S> Only temporary forking to test something new justifies a fork in my opinion.
2015-05-06 16:13 <nebadon> he was a teenager
2015-05-06 16:13 <nebadon> being a teenager
2015-05-06 16:13 <nebadon> to smart for his own good
2015-05-06 16:14 <H-H-H> and Ken_S Aurora isnt dead yet although that was a mahjor factor in devs loosing interest but the biggest killer was the lead dev had RL stuff to do
2015-05-06 16:14 <Ken_S> Yes, I heard Whitestar is attempting to keep a branch of it going, but very little dev on it.
2015-05-06 16:14 <H-H-H> there is even a fork of Aurora that an opensim dev noe devs for
2015-05-06 16:14 <Ken_S> And have no idea about the stability of it.
2015-05-06 16:14 <nebadon> ya Whitestar is not really e developer
2015-05-06 16:15 <nebadon> from what I remember
2015-05-06 16:15 <Ken_S> That's the way it appears.
2015-05-06 16:15 <Ken_S> Looks like he is just trying to keep it alive
2015-05-06 16:15 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-06 16:15 <H-H-H> Whitecore
2015-05-06 16:15 <Ken_S> Yes
2015-05-06 16:15 <nebadon> unfortunately he is a bit hot headed as well
2015-05-06 16:15 <nebadon> it seems liek Aurora seemd to attract the hot heads
2015-05-06 16:15 <H-H-H> as are a lot of devs lol
2015-05-06 16:16 <H-H-H> but hey its all good :)
2015-05-06 16:16 <nebadon> yea I dont really hold any grudges there honestly
2015-05-06 16:16 <nebadon> but my commitment has and will continue to be with opensim :)
2015-05-06 16:17 <Ken_S> Yes, I've stuck with it an OSG through thick and thin since I first started.
2015-05-06 16:17 <H-H-H> the real thing that upsets me more than anything isnt even the devs its a small section of users that think it is thier god given right to demand the devs fix something and then go saying os is crap coz thier particular bug isnt fixed instantly
2015-05-06 16:17 <nebadon> :) ya
2015-05-06 16:18 <OtakuMegane_> lol
2015-05-06 16:18 <nebadon> some are just enthusastic and want things to work better
2015-05-06 16:18 <Ken_S> Trying to fix a bug in someone elses code is really hard.
2015-05-06 16:18 <nebadon> its hard when you dont have the technical skills to contribute on that level
2015-05-06 16:18 <OtakuMegane_> ^
2015-05-06 16:18 <nebadon> but you are in love with the software
2015-05-06 16:18 <nebadon> it can be frustrating 
2015-05-06 16:18 <H-H-H> i always point to the bit on the wiki that says OpenSim is ALPHA so if it breaks you get to keep all the bits lol i love that line
2015-05-06 16:19 <OtakuMegane_> C# is next on my list of languages to learn and hopefully I might be able to do some stuff but probably be a while yet.
2015-05-06 16:20 <OtakuMegane_> I also tend to learn programming backwards: I need to do something and copy/paste/Google and poke at it until I make it work, then end up expanding from there and learn along the way.
2015-05-06 16:21 <H-H-H> thats exactly how i learnt :)
2015-05-06 16:21 <Plugh> nebadon: Not just a case of the skills. It is a case of knowing ones way around a complex bit of code.
2015-05-06 16:21 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 16:21 <OtakuMegane_> I'm very good with php now and have a decent but far from advanced grasp of Java from making Minecraft plugins.
2015-05-06 16:22 <nebadon> yea its very complex software indeed
2015-05-06 16:22 <H-H-H> i never focused on a laungage ally i jst learnt what i needed to so i can do wahtever im working ion
2015-05-06 16:22 <Plugh> H-H-H: What is your take on the version of XEngine from Aurora? Is there stuff there worth moving in to OS?
2015-05-06 16:23 <Plugh> OtakuMegane_: Your method of learning a new language is sort of how I managed to write my first Android app in Java. I had not touch Java since soon after 1.3 was released.
2015-05-06 16:23 <H-H-H> to be honest it would probably be little speed optimizations and little stuff as i think os is far advanced as far as lsl stuff goes (the actuall lsl implementation i mean
2015-05-06 16:24 <Plugh> yea, I was thinking more the main part of the engine. 
2015-05-06 16:24 <H-H-H> anyone remember snowcrash?
2015-05-06 16:25 <Plugh> Heard of it.
2015-05-06 16:25 <H-H-H> http://sourceforge.net/projects/snowcrash/
2015-05-06 16:25 <Plugh> Was that the back end stuff?
2015-05-06 16:26 <OtakuMegane_> Ohh, I remember hearing of that though don't know much about it
2015-05-06 16:26 <Plugh> Oh.
2015-05-06 16:26 <Plugh> hm....
2015-05-06 16:26 <H-H-H> the website is long gone but the caode is on sourceforge
2015-05-06 16:27 <Plugh> Few sites are completely gone. 
2015-05-06 16:27 <Plugh> https://web.archive.org/web/20141218051610/http://scengine.org/
2015-05-06 16:28 <H-H-H> ok i mean the fqdn no longer points to the right place
2015-05-06 16:28 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-05-06 16:28 <OtakuMegane_> As long as it actually picked it up and there wasn't a robots.txt blocking it
2015-05-06 16:28 <Plugh> yeah
2015-05-06 16:29 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 16:29 <Plugh> Any idea of the state of Snowcrash vs Aurora vs OpenSim when it comes to the scripting engine?
2015-05-06 16:30 <H-H-H> ide say OS is ahead by far
2015-05-06 16:30 <H-H-H> just my opinion of course
2015-05-06 16:30 <Plugh> So no lessons to learn or code changes to cherry pick that could improve OS?
2015-05-06 16:31 <Ken_S> Only thing that might be worth looking it is...
2015-05-06 16:31 <H-H-H> snowcrash is ancient and i think whitecore are doing thier own thing with scripting and Auriora is probably to o0ld now
2015-05-06 16:31 <OtakuMegane_> I'm guessing nothing revolutionary. I'd be surprised if something big was missed after this long.
2015-05-06 16:32 <Ken_S> what made Aurora faster. Maybe ideas there could be used in os
2015-05-06 16:32 <H-H-H> voodoo majic lol
2015-05-06 16:32 <H-H-H> brb
2015-05-06 16:33 <Plugh> Aurora had some useful improvements and new features. It was a shame that debugging the code wasn't as much a priority for t.
2015-05-06 16:33 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 16:34 <H-H-H> yeah there are 2 things i would love to port to os from aurora , the auction module and the abuse reports system
2015-05-06 16:35 <Plugh> Those would be interesting to have
2015-05-06 16:36 <Plugh> I don't think I kept a copy of Aurora on my machine.
2015-05-06 16:37 <Plugh> Just searched for Aurora and found a Hypergrid Business page title "10 reasons not to give up on Aurora-Sim" from Feb 21, 2013
2015-05-06 16:38 <Plugh> :)
2015-05-06 16:39 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 16:42 <Plugh> Seems Aurora Sim hasn't been updated in a year.
2015-05-06 16:43 <Dev_Random> On the topic of "making things better", several months ago, I added a "terrain feature" command.  Finally found time to do a bit of OpenSim work again, and here's where that code has evolved to now... https://youtu.be/pehyqr3H8I0
2015-05-06 16:44 <Plugh> fwiw, I'm cloning Aurora Sim. I might take a quick look at the auction module and abuse features.
2015-05-06 16:45 <Plugh> bbl. lunch time.
2015-05-06 16:46 <Ken_S> Plugh, you might look at Whitecore and all the related modules there.
2015-05-06 16:46 <Ken_S> Those may be a little more up to date and stable than the Aurora code.
2015-05-06 16:46 <Plugh> ok
2015-05-06 16:51 <OtakuMegane_> Dev_Random: That looks awesome
2015-05-06 16:51 <Dev_Random> it's coming along
2015-05-06 16:52 <Dev_Random> cleaning up the code, and will submit a patch soon.
2015-05-06 16:55 <OtakuMegane_> Looking forward to it :D
2015-05-06 16:56 <linkedinyou> Dev_Random:  Awesome i can not wait for soon :)
2015-05-06 16:56 <osmantis> Bug #7554:04 llSetPrimitiveParams : a combination of cut and dimple degenerates the sphere 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7554 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 16:57 <Dev_Random> 
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2015-05-06 17:26 <osmantis> Bug #7558:04 Script status is not saved. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7558 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2015-05-06 17:27 <osmantis> Bug #7560:04 Add area-of-effect terrain-modification console commands 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7560 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-06 17:28 <osmantis> Bug #7560:04 Add area-of-effect terrain-modification console commands 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7560 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-05-06 17:30 <osmantis> Bug #7560:04 Add area-of-effect terrain-modification console commands 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7560 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 17:43 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 17:50 <osmantis> Bug #7554:04 llSetPrimitiveParams : a combination of cut and dimple degenerates the sphere 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7554 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 18:20 <osmantis> Bug #7404:04 Terrain editing tools (bulldozer) behaving oddly -- terraforming 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7404 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-06 18:20 <nebadon> hmm jenkins is mia agian
2015-05-06 18:21 <nebadon> seems like its working though
2015-05-06 18:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #4161 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-06 18:23 <nebadon> heh welcome to the party jenkins
2015-05-06 18:24 <nebadon> odd its being so slow
2015-05-06 18:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4161: SUCCESS in 9 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4161/
2015-05-06 18:27 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: 'terrain modify' command for area-of-effect operations
2015-05-06 18:40 <osmantis> Bug #7554:04 llSetPrimitiveParams : a combination of cut and dimple degenerates the sphere 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7554 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 18:41 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 19:10 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 20:45 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-05-06 21:18 <Dev_Random> OtakuMegane_ & linkedinyou : I see nebadon has added my code... I've updated the wiki with info on the new commands http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Server_Commands#terrain_modify
2015-05-06 21:19 <nebadon> great thanks Dev_Random
2015-05-06 21:28 <osmantis> Bug #7554:04 llSetPrimitiveParams : a combination of cut and dimple degenerates the sphere 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7554 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 21:48 <osmantis> Bug #7554:04 llSetPrimitiveParams : a combination of cut and dimple degenerates the sphere 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7554 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 23:29 <osmantis> Bug #7404:04 Terrain editing tools (bulldozer) behaving oddly -- terraforming 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7404 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-06 23:29 <osmantis> Bug #7404:04 Terrain editing tools (bulldozer) behaving oddly -- terraforming 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7404 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-05-06 23:30 <osmantis> Bug #7560:04 Add area-of-effect terrain-modification console commands 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7560 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-07 00:07 <osmantis> Bug #7554:04 llSetPrimitiveParams : a combination of cut and dimple degenerates the sphere 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7554 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-07 00:48 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-07 00:51 <osmantis> Bug #7559:04 disallowed by filter error on scripting object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7559 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-07 03:38 <Ken_S> I just discovered the console "alert" command does not work on vars.
2015-05-07 03:38 <Ken_S> Does anyone know if it ever worked on vars, or is this a new issue?
2015-05-07 03:45 <osmantis> Bug #7561:04 Console "alert" command is not working on var regions, but does work on normal sims. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7561 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-07 03:49 <osmantis> Bug #7556:04 Teleporting in to 4096x4096 var fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7556 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-07 03:50 <osmantis> Bug #7556:04 Teleporting in to 4096x4096 var fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7556 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007389.
2015-05-07 03:50 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007556.
2015-05-07 05:42 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-07 08:24 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-07 10:25 <osmantis> Bug #7556:04 Teleporting in to 4096x4096 var fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7556 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-07 13:50 <nebadon> diva, this inventory problem it may be a Windows only issue
2015-05-07 13:51 <nebadon> it does indeed take longer to download inventory on my Windows based .net simulator
2015-05-07 13:51 <nebadon> I am not seeing it nearly as bad as Mata and Ai are
2015-05-07 13:51 <nebadon> but it definitely takes considerably longer on Windows simulator for inventory to download
2015-05-07 13:51 <nebadon> its easily 2-3 times longer for me
2015-05-07 13:52 <nebadon> that is one thing I noticed though is that both Ai and Mata are using Windows as well to host thier simulators
2015-05-07 13:53 <nebadon> I am indeed seeing these > 09:49:35 - [LOGHTTP]: Slow SynchronousRestForms request 2241 POST to http://inventory.osgrid.org/xinventory took 4375ms, 47ms writing, METHOD=GETFOLDERCONTENT&PRINCIPAL=7b2022f0-5f19-488c-b7e5-829d8f96b448&FOLDER=4b71f522-6dd6-4065-87be-130da087dedb
2015-05-07 13:53 <nebadon> which i do not experience on the Linux simulators
2015-05-07 13:59 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-07 14:18 <diva> nebadon, again, there are multiple issues on that mantis...
2015-05-07 14:18 <diva> I'm reworking the inventory download more or less from scratch
2015-05-07 14:19 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-07 14:19 <nebadon> with your last patch or your doing more work?
2015-05-07 14:19 <diva> more work
2015-05-07 14:19 <nebadon> ah cool
2015-05-07 14:19 <diva> I'm rewriting the whole thing
2015-05-07 14:19 <nebadon> ok cool
2015-05-07 14:19 <diva> it was badly written
2015-05-07 14:19 <nebadon> its strange that .net doesnt handle this as well as mono
2015-05-07 14:19 <nebadon> thats a first
2015-05-07 14:20 <diva> the hanging part is independent of that. My student repro'ed the hanging on mono
2015-05-07 14:20 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-07 14:20 <nebadon> i cant make it hang
2015-05-07 14:21 <nebadon> but it takes quite a bit longer to complete on .net
2015-05-07 14:21 <nebadon> and I get lots of slow request spew on .net too
2015-05-07 14:21 <diva> do you know if Mata Hari's sim is connected to osgrid?
2015-05-07 14:21 <nebadon> it is not
2015-05-07 14:21 <nebadon> and Ai has some on OSgrid and some not on osgrid
2015-05-07 14:22 <nebadon> the only real consistent factor seems to be they are using Windows
2015-05-07 14:22 <nebadon> and as soon as I tried windows i experienced it
2015-05-07 14:30 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-07 14:42 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-07 15:39 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-07 15:50 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-07 16:49 <nebadon> BlueWall1 I wonder if this related at all to our problems with newer kernels
2015-05-07 16:49 <nebadon> https://bugzilla.xamarin.com/show_bug.cgi?id=28785
2015-05-07 16:52 <nebadon> https://bugzilla.xamarin.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13813
2015-05-07 17:30 <BlueWall1> nebadon, it's hard to say. We will have to test after these fixes are in. I wish we had a way to make a small test case for our bug. Maybe we will be lucky and those will fix us as well.
2015-05-07 17:31 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-07 17:31 <nebadon> everyday I get someone asking me what is wrong
2015-05-07 17:31 <nebadon> this is starting to have a big impact on us
2015-05-07 17:31 <BlueWall1> yeah, I was afraid of that
2015-05-07 17:33 <BlueWall1> I will just tell people that Debain Wheezy is proving to be a good platform for me so far.
2015-05-07 17:34 <BlueWall1> With recent packages for mono out for all major distros there's always the latest for it.
2015-05-07 17:35 <BlueWall1> But, will be good if mono team can see this and get a fix.
2015-05-07 17:35 <BlueWall1> Maybe since they pushed 4x they will be able to look at regressions.
2015-05-07 17:37 <nebadon> ya opensuse 13.1 is solid
2015-05-07 17:37 <_AliciaRaven> is this the kernel problem?
2015-05-07 17:37 <BlueWall1> yes
2015-05-07 17:37 <nebadon> i doubt it will see kernel upgrades at this point
2015-05-07 17:37 <nebadon> newer linux kernels and mono have major issues
2015-05-07 17:37 <nebadon> with pthread 
2015-05-07 17:38 <nebadon> lots of stack trace
2015-05-07 17:38 <BlueWall1> I'm not sure when Debain will get into the versions that give issue.
2015-05-07 17:39 <_AliciaRaven> strange that i had that same error but with an older kernel, mono threads per cpu increase stopped it for me
2015-05-07 17:40 <nebadon> yea it seems on newer kernels though nothing alleviates it
2015-05-07 17:40 <nebadon> brb bike ride time
2015-05-07 18:02 <Plugh> Hm... A quick look at the Whitecore auction module makes me think it wouldn't be hard to port to OpenSim.
2015-05-07 18:08 <osmantis> Bug #7562:04 Add area-of-effect terrain-modification 'noise' command 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7562 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-07 18:08 <osmantis> Bug #7562:04 Add area-of-effect terrain-modification 'noise' command 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7562 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-05-07 18:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #4162 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-07 18:39 <nebadon> jenkins is crazy slow anymore
2015-05-07 18:39 <nebadon> not sure whats up with that
2015-05-07 18:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4162: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4162/
2015-05-07 18:44 <osjenkins> * nebadon2025: Add 'terrain modify noise' and code cleanup
2015-05-07 18:44 <osjenkins> * nebadon2025: Minor whitespace removal
2015-05-07 18:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #4163 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-07 18:47 <BeyBar> nebadon, could jenkins be suffering from a failing hard drive? Lots of repeated attempts to access a bad sector can slow things down a lot.
2015-05-07 18:47 <Plugh> nebadon: What happened about the roller coaster in osgrid that was talked about as becoming available for others to use?
2015-05-07 18:47 <nebadon> no
2015-05-07 18:47 <nebadon> Plugh you can check with Cuteulala
2015-05-07 18:47 <nebadon> Cuteulala Artis is the Roller Coaster maker
2015-05-07 18:48 <nebadon> I think there is some scripts available for everyone
2015-05-07 18:48 <nebadon> I am just not sure which ones
2015-05-07 18:48 <Plugh> ok
2015-05-07 18:49 <nebadon> there was some errors with Jenkins I am resolving
2015-05-07 18:49 <nebadon> one was encryption issue
2015-05-07 18:49 <nebadon> it needed to rekey the files
2015-05-07 18:49 <nebadon> its doing that now
2015-05-07 18:50 <nebadon> its also showing something about a reverse proxy issue
2015-05-07 18:50 <nebadon> that I have no idea how to resolve
2015-05-07 18:50 <nebadon> maybe Justin or Melanie_T has a better understanding of that one
2015-05-07 18:55 <BlueWall1> I wonder why we aren't just running it on port 8000 or 8080?
2015-05-07 18:55 <nebadon> no clue dave coyle set it up initially
2015-05-07 18:55 <nebadon> i dont think that would make much of a difference though
2015-05-07 18:56 <BlueWall1> it would just sit on it's own port w/o using the redirection via apache ...
2015-05-07 18:56 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-07 18:56 <nebadon> I really dont know why
2015-05-07 18:56 <nebadon> some places may block those ports
2015-05-07 18:56 <BlueWall1> I guess the proxy makes it a litte cleaner w/o port numbers in the URI.
2015-05-07 18:56 <nebadon> some corporate firewalls only allow port 80
2015-05-07 18:57 <BlueWall1> good point
2015-05-07 18:58 <nebadon> hmmm
2015-05-07 18:58 <nebadon> i cant reach opensimulator.org at all now
2015-05-07 18:58 <nebadon> thats not good
2015-05-07 18:58 <nebadon> can you?
2015-05-07 19:00 <SammyG3> Plugh > http://forums.osgrid.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5372
2015-05-07 19:02 <BeyBar> opensimulator,org responds to ping, but web server seems dead
2015-05-07 19:03 <nebadon> yea I am ssh in now trying to restart apache at the moment
2015-05-07 19:03 <Plugh> I can't access the website.
2015-05-07 19:03 <nebadon> box seems slow but top doesnt show anything unusual
2015-05-07 19:04 <nebadon> iotop doesnt either
2015-05-07 19:04 <nebadon> cpu is super low on the machine
2015-05-07 19:06 <Plugh> wow. Restrictive licence on that script. Oh, well. I can get an idea how she made the cars move along a given path in a way that was quite smooth.
2015-05-07 19:06 <Plugh> SammyG3: thanks
2015-05-07 19:06 <BlueWall> not by http
2015-05-07 19:07 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-07 19:07 <nebadon> I dont see anything wrong on the box
2015-05-07 19:07 <nebadon> very odd
2015-05-07 19:07 <nebadon> i wasnt doing anything either at the time
2015-05-07 19:07 <BlueWall> 105 apache processews
2015-05-07 19:07 <nebadon> hmm
2015-05-07 19:07 <nebadon> someone hitting server hard maybe?
2015-05-07 19:08 <nebadon> i restarted apache didnt help
2015-05-07 19:08 <_AliciaRaven> my apache issues turned out to be that nebadon, china accounts for 2/3 of all my traffic, bad china! lol
2015-05-07 19:08 <nebadon> hmm ya I am not sure what to do here
2015-05-07 19:08 <nebadon> nothing is jumping out at me
2015-05-07 19:09 <Plugh> nebadon: Nothing in the apache system logs?
2015-05-07 19:10 <nebadon> i see what looks like yahoo bots trying to crawl the site
2015-05-07 19:10 <nebadon> Yahoo! Slurp
2015-05-07 19:10 <nebadon> and Bing
2015-05-07 19:11 <nebadon> doesnt look heavy though but that just could mean that apache2 is so overwhelmded its not logging
2015-05-07 19:12 <BlueWall> I wonder ho far out of date the server updates are.
2015-05-07 19:12 <nebadon> hmm
2015-05-07 19:12 <nebadon> i just tried restarting apache and got this
2015-05-07 19:12 <nebadon>  * Restarting web server apache2                                                                                                                                                                                                              ... waiting .........(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80
2015-05-07 19:12 <nebadon> no listening sockets available, shutting down
2015-05-07 19:12 <nebadon> Unable to open logs
2015-05-07 19:13 <Plugh> It didn't shutdown before starting again, or something else has grabbed port 80
2015-05-07 19:13 <nebadon> probably hung hard
2015-05-07 19:13 <nebadon> might need to reboot box
2015-05-07 19:13 <nebadon> top
2015-05-07 19:13 <Plugh> you can do a hard kill on the process.
2015-05-07 19:13 <nebadon> heh oops
2015-05-07 19:14 <H-H-H> kill <pid>
2015-05-07 19:14 <Plugh> killall -9 apache2
2015-05-07 19:14 <BlueWall> inti 0
2015-05-07 19:14 <nebadon> well
2015-05-07 19:14 <nebadon> its running again now
2015-05-07 19:15 <nebadon> but still not responding
2015-05-07 19:15 <nebadon> wtf
2015-05-07 19:15 <BlueWall> only 28 process now.
2015-05-07 19:15 <nebadon> oh
2015-05-07 19:15 <nebadon> website came up now
2015-05-07 19:15 <BlueWall> and it is accesible from here now
2015-05-07 19:15 <Plugh> Its up
2015-05-07 19:15 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-07 19:15 <nebadon> how odd
2015-05-07 19:15 <nebadon> i guess apache just barfed
2015-05-07 19:15 <BlueWall> yeah
2015-05-07 19:16 <nebadon> jenkins is responding again too
2015-05-07 19:16 <Plugh> Check the apache error log to see if it reported anything.
2015-05-07 19:17 <nebadon> [Thu May 07 19:12:07 2015] [error] could not make child process 25061 exit, attempting to continue anyway
2015-05-07 19:17 <nebadon> lots of these
2015-05-07 19:17 <nebadon> until it SIGTERM when i killed it
2015-05-07 19:17 <Plugh> hm... ran out of memory?
2015-05-07 19:17 <nebadon> possible
2015-05-07 19:17 <nebadon> it has lots of swap
2015-05-07 19:17 <nebadon> it was using swap
2015-05-07 19:17 <BlueWall> ls
2015-05-07 19:17 <Plugh> oh, not good
2015-05-07 19:17 <nebadon> but its said there was swap in use for a while
2015-05-07 19:17 <nebadon> it always says swap in use even though ram is free
2015-05-07 19:17 <nebadon> kind of wierd
2015-05-07 19:18 <Plugh> apache processes running via swap will slow down the website.
2015-05-07 19:18 <nebadon> yea but there is like 2.5gb memory free
2015-05-07 19:18 <nebadon> theere was memory free before i killed it too
2015-05-07 19:18 <Plugh> yea, my old machine used to always report a certain amount of swap space in use. Not now with my new machine.
2015-05-07 19:18 <nebadon> Mem:   8093848k total,  5804664k used,  2289184k free,   659692k buffers
2015-05-07 19:18 <nebadon> Swap: 19795960k total,  4170792k used, 15625168k free,   272056k cached
2015-05-07 19:18 <Plugh> odd. Do you have limits on the number of child process and the number of pages each child is allowed to serve?
2015-05-07 19:19 <nebadon> not sure
2015-05-07 19:19 <Plugh> Wouldn't hurt to check those settings.
2015-05-07 19:19 <nebadon> where should I look?
2015-05-07 19:19 <BlueWall> /etc/security/limits.conf ?
2015-05-07 19:19 <BlueWall> that is default.
2015-05-07 19:20 <nebadon> ya there is nothing set there
2015-05-07 19:20 <nebadon> think maybe we should increase it for www-data user?
2015-05-07 19:20 <BlueWall> I saw tons of CLOSE_WAIT connections
2015-05-07 19:20 <Plugh> nebadon: mods-available/mpm_worker.conf
2015-05-07 19:20 <nebadon> oh in apache
2015-05-07 19:20 <Plugh> Assuming you actually have that enabled.
2015-05-07 19:20 <Plugh> yes.
2015-05-07 19:21 <nebadon> no file
2015-05-07 19:21 <nebadon> probably isnt
2015-05-07 19:21 <Plugh> Hmm... interesting. I don't have it enabled in my own webserver.
2015-05-07 19:22 <Plugh> Ah. You can also look at mpm_prefork.conf which should be symlinked from mods-enabled.
2015-05-07 19:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4163: ABORTED in 38 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4163/
2015-05-07 19:23 <Plugh> If you have apache's stats module enabled you can use it to check the apache config.
2015-05-07 19:24 <nebadon> ya we dont have any mpm* files
2015-05-07 19:24 <Plugh> grep for MaxConnections
2015-05-07 19:25 <nebadon> seems dead again
2015-05-07 19:26 <Ken_S> Is opensimulator.org down?
2015-05-07 19:26 <Plugh> Odd things happening on that machine.
2015-05-07 19:26 <Plugh> Apache should be very reliable.
2015-05-07 19:27 <Plugh> Ken_S: yes
2015-05-07 19:27 <nebadon> im restaring jenkins
2015-05-07 19:27 <BlueWall> hmmm - oh ok
2015-05-07 19:27 <nebadon> just incase thats acting up
2015-05-07 19:28 <BlueWall> I was just there and saw it poof
2015-05-07 19:28 <nebadon> ah sorry
2015-05-07 19:28 <BlueWall> I am going to try to figure out my creds on it for login
2015-05-07 19:28 <BlueWall> no problem
2015-05-07 19:28 <nebadon> if you cant let me know i can reset your password
2015-05-07 19:28 <nebadon> jenkins is back
2015-05-07 19:29 <BlueWall> if you want to, go ahead and reset it.
2015-05-07 19:29 <BlueWall> I have no clue what it is. The one Dave setup.
2015-05-07 19:30 <diva> I have a patch for inventory download that shows promise
2015-05-07 19:30 <Plugh> gl. I'm heading out for a while
2015-05-07 19:30 <nebadon> nice diva
2015-05-07 19:30 <nebadon> BlueWall see IM
2015-05-07 19:30 <diva> but its going to require someattention on my part for testing
2015-05-07 19:30 <diva> because it's a substantial change
2015-05-07 19:30 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-07 19:30 <nebadon> maybe new branch?
2015-05-07 19:31 <diva> maybe
2015-05-07 19:31 <nebadon> I have a feeling our git repo needs some love
2015-05-07 19:32 <nebadon> I think one of the reasons jenkins is so slow is because of the git repo itself
2015-05-07 19:32 <nebadon> Melanie_T you around?
2015-05-07 19:32 <diva> my tests with a bot show improvements between 16% and 30% depending on how you count. But with robust on a different machine these numbers may be higher. And with robust on a different network may be even higher
2015-05-07 19:32 <osmantis> Bug #7556:04 Teleporting in to 4096x4096 var fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7556 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-07 19:33 <BlueWall> :)
2015-05-07 19:33 <diva> and this doesn't necessarily fix the hanging bug, although it may mask it
2015-05-07 19:33 <diva> I have a strong suspicion of wher ethe bug is. It's nasty
2015-05-07 19:33 <Ken_S> Nebadon, can you confirm that the console "alert" command no longer works on vars?
2015-05-07 19:33 <diva> but if download is faster it may not show up
2015-05-07 19:33 <Ken_S> I want to make sure its not just me.
2015-05-07 19:35 <BlueWall> works here
2015-05-07 19:36 <nebadon> r0fl
2015-05-07 19:36 <nebadon> someone turnned on rezzers at sisyphus
2015-05-07 19:36 <nebadon> 87000 spheres
2015-05-07 19:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #4164 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: ABORTED -- last SUCCESS #4162 1 hr 6 min ago)
2015-05-07 19:36 <BlueWall> woah
2015-05-07 19:36 <BlueWall> hehe
2015-05-07 19:36 <nebadon> i should probably make those owner only
2015-05-07 19:37 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-07 19:37 <nebadon> atleast i could log in still
2015-05-07 19:37 <nebadon> i was like why am i getting 1fps
2015-05-07 19:37 <nebadon> turn around to gigant mountain of orange spheres
2015-05-07 19:38 <nebadon> i am going to make it owner only
2015-05-07 19:38 <nebadon> and have it IM the persons name who clicks it
2015-05-07 19:38 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-07 19:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4164: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4164/
2015-05-07 19:42 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrcT7sseLZI
2015-05-07 19:42 <nebadon> :P
2015-05-07 19:42 <nebadon> cant get it out of my head!!
2015-05-07 19:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #4165 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-07 19:44 <nebadon> man deleting 87k spheres takes a while lol
2015-05-07 19:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4165: SUCCESS in 4 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4165/
2015-05-07 19:47 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: pCampbot: added behavior that mimic initial inventory download. It's not exactly what the viewer does, but it's close enough, and the elapsed time can be measured.
2015-05-07 20:03 <dahlia> nebadon: feeling carb withdrawals?
2015-05-07 20:03 <nebadon> a little
2015-05-07 20:03 <nebadon> seems to be getting a bit better though
2015-05-07 20:04 <BlueWall>  carb withdrawals?
2015-05-07 20:04 <nebadon> ya ive totally cut out carboydrates
2015-05-07 20:04 <nebadon> im about a week in
2015-05-07 20:04 <BlueWall> me too
2015-05-07 20:04 <BlueWall> almost all the way
2015-05-07 20:04 <dahlia> 
ACTION marks a 1 on Freud's side of the blackboard...

2015-05-07 20:04 <BlueWall> :)
2015-05-07 20:04 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-07 20:06 <dahlia> 
ACTION tries to eat around 35% of calories from carbs

2015-05-07 20:06 <nebadon> yea i doubt i'll last more than a month or two on this kind of diet
2015-05-07 20:06 <nebadon> hopefully I can shed some pounds during that time :)
2015-05-07 20:07 <BlueWall> you can do it.
2015-05-07 20:07 <BlueWall> are you drinking lots of water?
2015-05-07 20:07 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-07 20:07 <BlueWall> salt?
2015-05-07 20:07 <dahlia> you need glucose to live, but media and culture try to convince you that you need to eat carbs to get it
2015-05-07 20:07 <nebadon> im not adding much salt to anything
2015-05-07 20:07 <dahlia> which is a blatent lie
2015-05-07 20:08 <dahlia> your body can convert protein and fat to glucose
2015-05-07 20:08 <nebadon> I am taking a Whey Protien powder
2015-05-07 20:08 <dahlia> there is often some carbs in dairy products
2015-05-07 20:08 <dahlia> milk has quite a bit
2015-05-07 20:08 <dahlia> lactose
2015-05-07 20:08 <BlueWall> I have been eating 4-5 strips of bacon, 2 eggs and about 2oz cheddar cheese for breakfast every morning and my pants are falling off, lol
2015-05-07 20:09 <dahlia> lol
2015-05-07 20:09 <nebadon> yea thats pretty much what I am doing too
2015-05-07 20:09 <nebadon> lots of chicken and steak
2015-05-07 20:09 <nebadon> with some veggies
2015-05-07 20:09 <BlueWall> cgicken for lunch
2015-05-07 20:09 <nebadon> no fruit really
2015-05-07 20:09 <BlueWall> chicken*
2015-05-07 20:09 <BlueWall> then a similar dinner w/veggis
2015-05-07 20:09 <nebadon> eating almonds like im a squirel getting ready for winter
2015-05-07 20:10 <BlueWall> ohhh yeah, lol
2015-05-07 20:10 <BlueWall> man, that's crazy
2015-05-07 20:10 <dahlia> 
ACTION is nibbling on a meat loaf sandwich on whole wheat with about 1 oz of tortilla chips

2015-05-07 20:10 <dahlia> nom nom nom
2015-05-07 20:10 <BlueWall> haha
2015-05-07 20:10 <dahlia> mmmmm salty :)
2015-05-07 20:10 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-07 20:10 <BlueWall> nebadon, they say to get plenty of salt 
2015-05-07 20:10 <dahlia> almonds? :(
2015-05-07 20:11 <dahlia> STEALING OUR WATER :P
2015-05-07 20:11 <nebadon> haha
2015-05-07 20:11 <BlueWall> have you looked at "fat bombs"?
2015-05-07 20:11 <dahlia> who?
2015-05-07 20:11 <nebadon> no let me google it
2015-05-07 20:11 <BlueWall> bulletproof coffee?
2015-05-07 20:12 <BlueWall> they make things with creme cheese and butter w/nuts, etc.
2015-05-07 20:12 <nebadon> ya my dad has been making bread for sandwiches with eggs and cream chese
2015-05-07 20:12 <nebadon> http://www.food.com/recipe/carb-free-cloud-bread-411501
2015-05-07 20:12 <BlueWall> I saw a recipe for "cloud bread" made with eggs and creme cheese - is that it?
2015-05-07 20:13 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-07 20:13 <BlueWall> ahhh, cool
2015-05-07 20:13 <BlueWall> is it good?
2015-05-07 20:13 <BlueWall> 
ACTION changes channel name to ketosis

2015-05-07 20:13 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-07 20:14 <dahlia> meh I'd rather have peanut butter than almond butter
2015-05-07 20:14 <BlueWall> http://www.buttermakesyourpantsfalloff.com/
2015-05-07 20:15 <dahlia> lol
2015-05-07 20:15 <BlueWall> me too. Whole Foods peanut butter is goood :)
2015-05-07 20:15 <nebadon> ive never been much of a fan of peanut butter
2015-05-07 20:16 <nebadon> unless its accompanied by big chunks of chocolate
2015-05-07 20:16 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-07 20:16 <BlueWall> haha
2015-05-07 20:16 <BlueWall> (hence the lchf lifestyle)
2015-05-07 20:16 <dahlia> ya extra rich peanut butter chocolate chip cookies :)
2015-05-07 20:17 <dahlia> nom nom nom
2015-05-07 20:17 <BlueWall> I used to buy semi-sweet bakers chocolate squares and eat them w/peanut butter.
2015-05-07 20:17 <nebadon> haha you're mean
2015-05-07 20:17 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-07 20:17 <dahlia> or Reese's
2015-05-07 20:17 <dahlia> mmmmm
2015-05-07 20:17 <BlueWall> hahah
2015-05-07 20:18 <nebadon> really though im not much of a candy person
2015-05-07 20:18 <nebadon> for me its bread and pasta
2015-05-07 20:18 <BlueWall> 
ACTION is contemplating a trip to DQ :s

2015-05-07 20:18 <dahlia> I dont really like candy
2015-05-07 20:18 <dahlia> or most bad carbs
2015-05-07 20:18 <dahlia> but I do <3 chocolate
2015-05-07 20:18 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-07 20:19 <dahlia> especialy bittersweet dark chocolate
2015-05-07 20:19 <BlueWall> is that cloud bread any good?
2015-05-07 20:19 <nebadon> I like the Lindt Dark Sea Salt Chocolate bars
2015-05-07 20:19 <nebadon> yea its not bad BlueWall
2015-05-07 20:19 <nebadon> its just time consuming to make
2015-05-07 20:19 <BlueWall> I might try that.
2015-05-07 20:19 <BlueWall> I miss bread
2015-05-07 20:20 <dahlia> I eat bread but in small quantities and only whole grain
2015-05-07 20:20 <nebadon> yea bread is the hardest part for me
2015-05-07 20:22 <nebadon> taking my mom out for mothersday is going to be tortorus
2015-05-07 20:22 <nebadon> going to resturaunt
2015-05-07 20:22 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-07 20:22 <dahlia> my mom is a serious carb addict
2015-05-07 20:23 <nebadon> brb afk
2015-05-07 20:39 <nebadon> back
2015-05-07 21:33 <JunkHunk> when is the next opensim upgrade comming?
2015-05-07 21:35 <nebadon> to early to say
2015-05-07 21:35 <nebadon> we dont really have a set schedule
2015-05-07 21:36 <nebadon> it can be influenced on how stable things are, what kind of work is going on at the time
2015-05-07 21:36 <nebadon> if you want to run latest code download from OSgrid
2015-05-07 21:36 <nebadon> you can use the OSgrid release for anything that the official release would do
2015-05-07 21:36 <JunkHunk> make a prediction for opensim 1.0
2015-05-07 21:36 <nebadon> can't
2015-05-07 21:36 <nebadon> heh
2015-05-07 21:37 <nebadon> version is just a road marker
2015-05-07 21:37 <nebadon> nothing more
2015-05-07 21:37 <nebadon> literally has no bearing on stability or completness of the project
2015-05-07 21:38 <JunkHunk> I see
2015-05-07 21:38 <nebadon> opensimulator will hopefully always continue to expand and improve
2015-05-07 21:38 <nebadon> if we hit 1.0 it wont mean we are done or that its set in stone
2015-05-07 21:38 <OtakuMegane> At the average rate so far, give it about half a decade or so for 1.0 XD
2015-05-07 21:38 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-07 21:39 <nebadon> opensimulator is a framework to bigger things
2015-05-07 21:39 <nebadon> its by no means the end product
2015-05-07 21:40 <JunkHunk> on the other hand...viewers lead the way towards one vision or another...
2015-05-07 21:40 <nebadon> well you cant use the simulator without a viewer really
2015-05-07 21:40 <nebadon> but opensim will not always be just a SL analog, its already not that infact
2015-05-07 21:40 <nebadon> its just the most popular use of the software to date
2015-05-07 21:41 <nebadon> there have been several attempts at making over kinds of viewers
2015-05-07 21:41 <nebadon> like WebGL or Unity based viewers
2015-05-07 21:41 <JunkHunk> what about the videogame platform UE4 is? could opensim get something alike?
2015-05-07 21:41 <nebadon> so far none of those has been as complete or as popular or even readily available for public use
2015-05-07 21:42 <nebadon> theoretically with a lot of work someone could make a UE4 front end
2015-05-07 21:42 <nebadon> viewer work is monumentally harder than the simulator
2015-05-07 21:42 <JunkHunk> I see
2015-05-07 21:42 <nebadon> its much larger scope of work
2015-05-07 21:42 <nebadon> much broader range of hardware
2015-05-07 21:43 <OtakuMegane> Viewer work requires knowing graphics and the related APIs. It's on a level as physics engines and there's a very small number of people who actually comprehend it all.
2015-05-07 21:44 <OtakuMegane> I know the general flow of graphics rendering but I'd probably take forever to actually program anything other than random patterns. :P
2015-05-07 21:44 <JunkHunk> oh
2015-05-07 21:44 <JunkHunk> what about an innocent idea...
2015-05-07 21:44 <nebadon> another thing with something like UE4
2015-05-07 21:45 <nebadon> its likely very much a Windows only thing
2015-05-07 21:45 <nebadon> which makes it less attractive to this community
2015-05-07 21:45 <BlueWall> :s
2015-05-07 21:45 <OtakuMegane> If an engine was used Unity seems to make the most sense of what's available right now, at least to me.
2015-05-07 21:45 <JunkHunk> do you know stellarium?
2015-05-07 21:45 <nebadon> I know unreal is expanding to new platforms though
2015-05-07 21:45 <nebadon> so maybe in time it will be more attractive
2015-05-07 21:46 <nebadon> no not heard of stellarium
2015-05-07 21:46 <JunkHunk> I got ue4 installed on kubuntu
2015-05-07 21:46 <JunkHunk> stellarium.org
2015-05-07 21:46 <JunkHunk> its cool
2015-05-07 21:46 <nebadon> neat
2015-05-07 21:46 <JunkHunk> and science
2015-05-07 21:47 <JunkHunk> its a map of the stars seen from earth
2015-05-07 21:47 <nebadon> yea looks neat
2015-05-07 21:47 <JunkHunk> really cool and soon to get obsolete...heh thanks to gaia
2015-05-07 21:47 <JunkHunk> the space telescope
2015-05-07 21:47 <JunkHunk> but the innocent idea was...
2015-05-07 21:48 <JunkHunk> to merge stellarium with for instance...firestorm viewer
2015-05-07 21:48 <nebadon> Ken_S ping
2015-05-07 21:48 <nebadon> alert works on my var
2015-05-07 21:48 <JunkHunk> imagine a viewer where you could peer stars and planets with a switcher
2015-05-07 21:49 <nebadon> yea that would be neat
2015-05-07 21:50 <OtakuMegane> If we get a viewer with a new core (or a new core into a current viewer) there's likely a ton of things that could be done.
2015-05-07 21:50 <JunkHunk> I know nothing about graphics rendering...
2015-05-07 21:51 <OtakuMegane> Graphics rendering is pretty advanced stuff, especially with a dynamic environment like Opensim (or SL) is.
2015-05-07 21:52 <osmantis> Bug #7561:04 Console "alert" command is not working on var regions, but does work on normal sims. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7561 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-07 21:52 <JunkHunk> wich command?
2015-05-07 21:52 <JunkHunk> I just upgraded to var region
2015-05-07 21:53 <nebadon> alert
2015-05-07 21:53 <JunkHunk> I dont use alerts...
2015-05-07 21:53 <nebadon> type "alert THIS IS A TEST"
2015-05-07 21:53 <nebadon> on the console you should get a notification in world 
2015-05-07 21:53 <JunkHunk> I d like to use vehicles but they are buggy
2015-05-07 21:53 <nebadon> we have great cars
2015-05-07 21:54 <nebadon> for bulletsim
2015-05-07 21:54 <JunkHunk> oh I didnt test them on the new var region...though
2015-05-07 21:54 <OtakuMegane> You did mention something about new vehicles showing up recently
2015-05-07 21:54 <nebadon> if you can get to OSgrid I have a region called "Sisyphus" that has some cars
2015-05-07 21:54 <nebadon> there is also a region called "Racetrack" that has tons of stuff to try out
2015-05-07 21:55 <nebadon> yea OtakuMegane i have a new racer im working on
2015-05-07 21:55 <JunkHunk> yeah I think the ones I got are yours too
2015-05-07 21:55 <nebadon> using Hans Neirdos scripts
2015-05-07 21:55 <nebadon> you probably have my old racer
2015-05-07 21:55 <nebadon> which sucks compared to new one
2015-05-07 21:55 <JunkHunk> heh
2015-05-07 21:55 <nebadon> the new one is Orange McClaren at Sisyphus
2015-05-07 21:55 <nebadon> Hans also has a Lamborghini and a Corvette 
2015-05-07 21:55 <nebadon> they are a bit to fast for me
2015-05-07 21:56 <OtakuMegane> Will have to try playing with it. Haven't done much with vehicles yet
2015-05-07 21:56 <nebadon> but good if you like to tinker
2015-05-07 21:56 <JunkHunk> Sisyphus I am comming
2015-05-07 21:57 <nebadon> should be a bunch of vehicles you can grab copy of there
2015-05-07 21:57 <nebadon> the nice Orange Mesh McLaren is the one im currently working on
2015-05-07 21:57 <nebadon> its not quite 100% yet
2015-05-07 21:57 <nebadon> but its pretty good
2015-05-07 21:57 <JunkHunk> hey your raspberry pi 2 is offline now isnt it?
2015-05-07 21:57 <nebadon> hmm
2015-05-07 21:58 <nebadon> shouldnt be unless it crashed
2015-05-07 21:58 <nebadon> let me look
2015-05-07 21:58 <nebadon> its up
2015-05-07 21:58 <nebadon> OKC Raspberry Pi2
2015-05-07 21:58 <JunkHunk> it was yesterday that I couldn't get in
2015-05-07 21:58 <nebadon> there is a cool driveable Mars Rover there
2015-05-07 21:59 <nebadon> hmm
2015-05-07 21:59 <JunkHunk> or the day before...
2015-05-07 21:59 <nebadon> looks like its up
2015-05-07 21:59 <JunkHunk> yes it is now
2015-05-07 21:59 <nebadon> ya I did have it down for a little bit
2015-05-07 21:59 <nebadon> i was upgrading and messing aorund
2015-05-07 21:59 <JunkHunk> so sysifus...
2015-05-07 21:59 <nebadon> Sisyphus
2015-05-07 22:00 <JunkHunk> getting there
2015-05-07 22:02 <JunkHunk> cool cars
2015-05-07 22:02 <JunkHunk> may I get the lamborghini?
2015-05-07 22:02 <nebadon> should be copyable
2015-05-07 22:03 <JunkHunk> noway this is too much!
2015-05-07 22:04 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-07 22:05 <JunkHunk> its not moving...
2015-05-07 22:05 <JunkHunk> do I need gas?
2015-05-07 22:05 <nebadon> hmm
2015-05-07 22:05 <nebadon> no maybe try standing and sitting again
2015-05-07 22:05 <nebadon> should work
2015-05-07 22:06 <nebadon> hmm ya not moving for me either
2015-05-07 22:06 <nebadon> that is wierd
2015-05-07 22:06 <nebadon> that is wierd
2015-05-07 22:06 <nebadon> oh uncheck phantom
2015-05-07 22:06 <nebadon> wonder how taht happened
2015-05-07 22:06 <nebadon> let me fix the copy thats out
2015-05-07 22:07 <nebadon> try Again JunkHunk
2015-05-07 22:07 <nebadon> i unchecked it for you
2015-05-07 22:08 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-07 22:09 <nebadon> its a bit fast the lamborghini
2015-05-07 22:09 <osmantis> Bug #7561:04 Console "alert" command is not working on var regions, but does work on normal sims. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7561 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-07 22:10 <JunkHunk> I made a city...
2015-05-07 22:10 <JunkHunk> with plenty of roads...
2015-05-07 22:10 <nebadon> you might find the orange McLaren more suitable for city use
2015-05-07 22:10 <nebadon> the Lamborghini just ends up wrapped around a pole
2015-05-07 22:10 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-07 22:10 <Plugh> hehe
2015-05-07 22:10 <JunkHunk> but the turns are too square..
2015-05-07 22:10 <nebadon> ya try the McLaren out
2015-05-07 22:10 <JunkHunk> k
2015-05-07 22:11 <nebadon> we are talking about making mode toggle
2015-05-07 22:11 <nebadon> for city and track
2015-05-07 22:11 <nebadon> so you can handle city roads better and no go 240mph
2015-05-07 22:12 <JunkHunk> way too cool man
2015-05-07 22:13 <nebadon> pg up and page down shifts
2015-05-07 22:19 <osmantis> Bug #7561:04 Console "alert" command is not working on var regions, but does work on normal sims. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7561 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-07 22:28 <nebadon> hmm seems openmetaverse.org isnt working again
2015-05-07 22:28 <nebadon> wierd it was working few days ago
2015-05-07 22:34 <JunkHunk> neat work
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2015-05-08 02:10 <diva> oh wow, this patch I'm doing for inventory download is going to have a serious effect on grids... I'm emulating 20ms delay between sims and inventory, and the download time is slashed to 30% of what it currently is. So 70% decrease download time
2015-05-08 02:10 <diva> when the latency between sims and inventory is higher the gain will be even higher
2015-05-08 02:16 <diva> nebadon ping
2015-05-08 02:24 <nebadon> hey diva
2015-05-08 02:25 <diva> I'm about to push a new branch with this patch
2015-05-08 02:25 <diva> do you have time to test?
2015-05-08 02:25 <nebadon> sure
2015-05-08 02:26 <smxy> Evening, all. :)
2015-05-08 02:26 <nebadon> hello
2015-05-08 02:26 <smxy> Been away a few days. Anything I miss?
2015-05-08 02:27 <diva> sigh
2015-05-08 02:27 <diva> if only I knew how to push my ne branch...
2015-05-08 02:27 <nebadon> hmm Melanie_T is the resident git expert
2015-05-08 02:27 <diva> hmm
2015-05-08 02:27 <diva> can you chek if it exists?
2015-05-08 02:27 <nebadon> but maybe misterblue, dahlia or BlueWall can help
2015-05-08 02:27 <diva> it's called inv-download
2015-05-08 02:28 <nebadon> let me look
2015-05-08 02:28 <nebadon> it should register here
2015-05-08 02:28 <nebadon> like any other push
2015-05-08 02:28 <diva> I know... I don't see it, so...
2015-05-08 02:28 <misterblue> hello diva and smxy
2015-05-08 02:28 <diva> hi misterblue
2015-05-08 02:28 <smxy> hi misterblue
2015-05-08 02:28 <dahlia> I think you just create a local branch and then push 
2015-05-08 02:28 <diva> that's what I did...
2015-05-08 02:29 <dahlia> like git branch <name>
2015-05-08 02:29 <misterblue> if you are in your repository on branch 'frog'... then just push to the repository and your branch... it will create it
2015-05-08 02:29 <diva> I got this error: remote: fatal: bad object 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000
2015-05-08 02:29 <misterblue> so "git push origin frog"
2015-05-08 02:29 <smxy> I got a commits email saying the branch had been created, diva
2015-05-08 02:29 <diva> yeah, I don't know the status at this point
2015-05-08 02:29 <nebadon> yea it werks
2015-05-08 02:29 <diva> I pushed again and it gave me no errors and said everything is up to date
2015-05-08 02:29 <misterblue> 
ACTION remember the 'bad object' error.... I vaguely remember the git hooks having problems

2015-05-08 02:30 <diva> ok great
2015-05-08 02:30 <diva> so neb here's the delio
2015-05-08 02:30 <nebadon> I think it worked anyway
2015-05-08 02:30 <nebadon> hmm
2015-05-08 02:30 <dahlia> delio?
2015-05-08 02:30 <diva> dealio :)
2015-05-08 02:30 <dahlia> oh
2015-05-08 02:30 <dahlia> :)
2015-05-08 02:30 <diva> neb, is it compiling?
2015-05-08 02:30 <dahlia> dealie-o
2015-05-08 02:31 <nebadon> well the thing is it changed branches
2015-05-08 02:31 <nebadon> but there was no pull
2015-05-08 02:31 <nebadon> im making sure i have correct hash
2015-05-08 02:31 <misterblue> it doesn't compile branches... only 'master'
2015-05-08 02:31 <nebadon> should it be > c74cef0f4261191962959e42c7e349adafd42a04
2015-05-08 02:31 <dahlia> git checkout frog
2015-05-08 02:31 <nebadon> ya but cia should pipe up
2015-05-08 02:31 <diva> c74cef0f4261191962959e42c7e349adafd42a04
2015-05-08 02:31 <diva> yes
2015-05-08 02:31 <nebadon> wierd cia didnt report it
2015-05-08 02:31 <nebadon> it should have
2015-05-08 02:32 <diva> neb where are you going to test it? in your home grid or something?
2015-05-08 02:32 <misterblue> I just pulled and see the new branch 'inv-download'
2015-05-08 02:32 <dahlia> wazzitdo?
2015-05-08 02:32 <nebadon> does this require robust updates?
2015-05-08 02:32 <diva> I have a 3-step plan for testing
2015-05-08 02:33 <diva> dahlia misterblue it has the potential to slash inventory download times to about 30% of what it is now
2015-05-08 02:33 <dahlia> o.0
2015-05-08 02:33 <dahlia> duzzitw0rk?
2015-05-08 02:33 <diva> neb: it does, but the first thing I want to test is that it works eve if you son't update your robust. So, do this
2015-05-08 02:33 <diva> how many sims does your grid have?
2015-05-08 02:33 <nebadon> 4
2015-05-08 02:34 <nebadon> it will take me a bit longer to update that grid
2015-05-08 02:34 <diva> ok, so let's start with updating just one -- leave everything else as is
2015-05-08 02:34 <dahlia> does it get inventory straight from robust or something?
2015-05-08 02:34 <nebadon> ok let me get logged into that server
2015-05-08 02:34 <diva> update just one sim there
2015-05-08 02:34 <nebadon> i was doing this on my osgrid region
2015-05-08 02:34 <diva> well, step 1 can be tested in osgrid
2015-05-08 02:34 <nebadon> might as well just do it all on my grid
2015-05-08 02:35 <diva> you won't see any time improvements until osgrid robust is updated though
2015-05-08 02:35 <misterblue> so, update some regions with this branch?
2015-05-08 02:35 <diva> yes
2015-05-08 02:35 <diva> misterblue, the improvement will only be visible on robust backend, until someone wires the right things in the simian backend too
2015-05-08 02:36 <dahlia> I thought simian did inventory outside of the sim
2015-05-08 02:37 <dahlia> ?
2015-05-08 02:37 <diva> does it?
2015-05-08 02:37 <nebadon> simiangrid inventory is a complete mess
2015-05-08 02:37 <nebadon> that I can tell you
2015-05-08 02:37 <dahlia> thought cmickyb told me that once
2015-05-08 02:37 <dahlia> or maybe it's just assets
2015-05-08 02:37 <nebadon> they need a lot more than just optimization
2015-05-08 02:37 <dahlia> not sure now
2015-05-08 02:37 <nebadon> its very broken in general
2015-05-08 02:37 <misterblue> The region "BulletSim" is updated
2015-05-08 02:37 <misterblue> what do I test?
2015-05-08 02:38 <diva> on osgrid?
2015-05-08 02:38 <diva> clear the cache first
2015-05-08 02:38 <diva> then login and make sure your inventory is all there, and nothing is broken
2015-05-08 02:38 <diva> that's step 1 of testing
2015-05-08 02:38 <nebadon> im still compiling
2015-05-08 02:39 <nebadon> my grid runs on a pretty old quad core xeon server
2015-05-08 02:39 <misterblue> k... viewer asset cache cleared and logged into BulletSim on OSGrid
2015-05-08 02:40 <diva> 
ACTION is bitting nails, hoping nothing is broken with old backend

2015-05-08 02:40 <nebadon> :)
2015-05-08 02:40 <nebadon> my region is starting
2015-05-08 02:40 <nebadon> im using a pretty heavily populated sim
2015-05-08 02:41 <nebadon> so its a good test
2015-05-08 02:41 <smxy> Trust me diva, as your backend gets old, it develops problems. :(
2015-05-08 02:41 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-08 02:41 <diva> misterblue you should see a bucnh of debug messages on the sim console complaining that it can fetch multiple folders and that is trying the old protocol
2015-05-08 02:41 <diva> can't
2015-05-08 02:42 <nebadon> I wish there was a way to clear cache on just one grid
2015-05-08 02:42 <nebadon> in the viewer
2015-05-08 02:42 <nebadon> logging into encitra grid with clear cache suuuucks
2015-05-08 02:42 <diva> oh man it does
2015-05-08 02:42 <nebadon> ok here goes
2015-05-08 02:42 <nebadon> fingers crossed
2015-05-08 02:42 <diva> I'm now using singularity for tests like this, and OnLook for regular use
2015-05-08 02:42 <misterblue> 19:40:26 - [WEB FETCH INV DESC HANDLER]: Multiple folder fetch failed. Trying old protocol.
2015-05-08 02:42 <diva> yep
2015-05-08 02:43 <misterblue> I haven't looked at my inventory yet
2015-05-08 02:43 <diva> you're making me suffer...
2015-05-08 02:43 <nebadon> I am seeing that too
2015-05-08 02:44 <nebadon> inventory is nice and fast as usual 
2015-05-08 02:44 <diva> are your inventories downloading?
2015-05-08 02:44 <nebadon> my inventory always goes fast though
2015-05-08 02:44 <nebadon> 20k already
2015-05-08 02:44 <misterblue> my inventory of 1444 items is here
2015-05-08 02:44 <diva> great! phew!
2015-05-08 02:44 <diva> step 1 -- check
2015-05-08 02:44 <nebadon> it usually hangs at 21k
2015-05-08 02:44 <nebadon> seeing that
2015-05-08 02:44 <diva> neb how long does it take to download your inventory there?
2015-05-08 02:44 <nebadon> it only hangs for 10-30 seconds
2015-05-08 02:44 <misterblue> I'm not the inventory horder that Neb is :)
2015-05-08 02:44 <nebadon> at most 3 minutes
2015-05-08 02:45 <diva> great! then you should see a difference
2015-05-08 02:45 <nebadon> this invenitory is 29k
2015-05-08 02:45 <nebadon> its done
2015-05-08 02:45 <diva> not in step 1, but in step 2
2015-05-08 02:45 <diva> so 3 minutes more or less?
2015-05-08 02:45 <misterblue> rezing objects from inventory seems to work
2015-05-08 02:45 <nebadon> yea id say 2-2.5 minutes this time
2015-05-08 02:45 <diva> ok, let's move on to step 2. Clear the cache again
2015-05-08 02:46 <nebadon> yep inventory rezzed
2015-05-08 02:46 <diva> logout
2015-05-08 02:46 <diva> npw update your robust
2015-05-08 02:46 <diva> I'm afraid step 2 can't be done in osgrid... for now
2015-05-08 02:47 <misterblue> the McLaren v1.36 drives pretty smooth
2015-05-08 02:47 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-08 02:47 <nebadon> ya McLaren is coming along nicely :)
2015-05-08 02:51 <nebadon> ok robust updated
2015-05-08 02:51 <nebadon> viewer cache cleared
2015-05-08 02:51 <diva> ok, clear the cache and login to that same region that's updated
2015-05-08 02:51 <nebadon> should i log in now diva? no changes?
2015-05-08 02:51 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-08 02:51 <diva> yes, login
2015-05-08 02:52 <nebadon> ok its going
2015-05-08 02:52 <nebadon> no protocol messages this time
2015-05-08 02:52 <nebadon> so tat is good
2015-05-08 02:52 <nebadon> 15k
2015-05-08 02:52 <diva> your inventory should downlod in about 50 secs...
2015-05-08 02:52 <nebadon> 20k
2015-05-08 02:52 <nebadon> 25k
2015-05-08 02:53 <nebadon> done
2015-05-08 02:53 <diva> yey!
2015-05-08 02:53 <diva> much faster yes?
2015-05-08 02:53 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-08 02:53 <nebadon> no hesitation at 21k
2015-05-08 02:53 <nebadon> like i always see
2015-05-08 02:53 <AllenKerensky> Diva-brand cable modem wax?
2015-05-08 02:53 <nebadon> usually at 21k there is a 10-30 second hang
2015-05-08 02:53 <diva> ok, now please measure this with a stop watch... login to a sim that's not updated and measure the time: http://stopwatch.onlineclock.net/
2015-05-08 02:54 <misterblue> I'm still seeing "Trying old protocol"
2015-05-08 02:54 <diva> misterblue you will see that until osgrid backend is updated...
2015-05-08 02:54 <nebadon> i have stopwatch on android
2015-05-08 02:54 <nebadon> ok so log into non updated sim now with cache clear?
2015-05-08 02:54 <diva> all I wanted in osgrid was to make sure I didn't break anything even if ppl update their sims while the backend is not updated
2015-05-08 02:54 <diva> yes neb
2015-05-08 02:55 <nebadon> im testing locally now misterblue
2015-05-08 02:55 <misterblue> it is still outputting them
2015-05-08 02:55 <nebadon> yes osgrid isnt updated yet
2015-05-08 02:55 <nebadon> im using nebadon2025 grid now
2015-05-08 02:56 <misterblue> k
2015-05-08 02:57 <nebadon> ok diva 1:33 on stopwatch
2015-05-08 02:57 <diva> ok
2015-05-08 02:57 <nebadon> let me be scientific and do this same thing on updated region
2015-05-08 02:57 <diva> now do it again on the sim that's updated
2015-05-08 02:57 <nebadon> tat was from moment i hit login
2015-05-08 02:58 <nebadon> to moment it finished
2015-05-08 02:58 <diva> yep
2015-05-08 02:58 <nebadon> strangely it seemed just as fast to me
2015-05-08 02:58 <nebadon> there was no pause at 21k
2015-05-08 02:58 <diva> are you sure that sim is not updated too?
2015-05-08 02:59 <nebadon> positive
2015-05-08 02:59 <diva> you tend to have your dlls in just one folder...
2015-05-08 02:59 <nebadon> Version: OpenSim 0.8.1.0 Dev        00b5b91
2015-05-08 02:59 <diva> ok
2015-05-08 02:59 <nebadon> nope its different
2015-05-08 02:59 <diva> fine
2015-05-08 02:59 <diva> just measure the updated one
2015-05-08 03:00 <nebadon> 1:18
2015-05-08 03:00 <diva> ok
2015-05-08 03:00 <nebadon> so there is a difference
2015-05-08 03:00 <nebadon> but its always been fast for me
2015-05-08 03:00 <nebadon> so im probably not the best test case
2015-05-08 03:00 <diva> do you mind doing both again? :)
2015-05-08 03:00 <nebadon> sure
2015-05-08 03:01 <nebadon> let me restart regions
2015-05-08 03:01 <diva> just 2x each, so I know if there's any variance
2015-05-08 03:01 <nebadon> so everything is fresh?
2015-05-08 03:01 <diva> fine
2015-05-08 03:01 <diva> just keep one in the old version and one in the new one
2015-05-08 03:07 <nebadon> ya ok
2015-05-08 03:07 <nebadon> finally started
2015-05-08 03:07 <nebadon> here goes
2015-05-08 03:07 <nebadon> making sure viewer cache is clear
2015-05-08 03:07 <nebadon> doing old first
2015-05-08 03:08 <diva> ok
2015-05-08 03:09 <nebadon> 1:42 that time
2015-05-08 03:10 <diva> ok
2015-05-08 03:12 <nebadon> 1:20
2015-05-08 03:12 <nebadon> so not much different
2015-05-08 03:12 <diva> ok, great
2015-05-08 03:12 <diva> that's a 20% improvement for you
2015-05-08 03:12 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-08 03:12 <diva> and your download was already fast
2015-05-08 03:12 <nebadon> which is good because its always fast
2015-05-08 03:12 <nebadon> ya
2015-05-08 03:13 <diva> this will have a bigger impact on ppl whose download is slow
2015-05-08 03:13 <nebadon> yea that would be great
2015-05-08 03:13 <diva> anyway, this seems to work!
2015-05-08 03:13 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-08 03:13 <nebadon> push to master?
2015-05-08 03:13 <diva> yey for my bot that helped me test this 
2015-05-08 03:13 <nebadon> nice
2015-05-08 03:14 <nebadon> then i can update osgrid
2015-05-08 03:14 <nebadon> maybe dan can do another release :)
2015-05-08 03:14 <Ken_S> +++ from all us little guys that just watch and wait. lol
2015-05-08 03:14 <nebadon> hey danbanner :)
2015-05-08 03:14 <diva> errr... living on the edge again? :)
2015-05-08 03:14 <nebadon> osgrid is always on the edge
2015-05-08 03:14 <diva> ok, let me put my daughter in bed, then I'll merge
2015-05-08 03:14 <nebadon> i think we have 2 releases this week already
2015-05-08 03:14 <nebadon> hehe
2015-05-08 03:15 <Ken_S> And my sims are within a few hours of dev master, so bleeding edge for me.
2015-05-08 03:15 <diva> do a few more logins to make sure nothng hangs
2015-05-08 03:15 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-08 03:19 <nebadon> logged in fine to updated Universal Campus
2015-05-08 03:20 <nebadon> about the same speed for download
2015-05-08 03:20 <nebadon> id say this is fine
2015-05-08 03:20 <nebadon> let me try again with Reticulation
2015-05-08 03:20 <nebadon> thats a particularly nasty region
2015-05-08 03:20 <nebadon> its all mesh
2015-05-08 03:20 <nebadon> and a ton of it
2015-05-08 03:22 <nebadon> all good in the hood
2015-05-08 03:22 <nebadon> ive tried all 4 regions in my grid updated on new code
2015-05-08 03:22 <nebadon> no problems
2015-05-08 03:28 <nebadon> going to time my osgrid invnetory before i update
2015-05-08 03:28 <nebadon> its 45k
2015-05-08 03:31 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrcT7sseLZI << omg get out of my head!!!
2015-05-08 03:31 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-08 03:32 <Ken_S> You really didnt have to post that link Neb :(
2015-05-08 03:33 <Ken_S> Now we are all infected
2015-05-08 03:33 <nebadon> 3:45 seconds on OSgrid non-updated
2015-05-08 03:33 <nebadon> heheh
2015-05-08 03:33 <nebadon> its been echoing in my brain all day
2015-05-08 03:33 <nebadon> maybe its the lack of carbs
2015-05-08 03:33 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-08 03:36 <diva> ok I'm going to merge the branch then
2015-05-08 03:37 <nebadon> hmmm
2015-05-08 03:37 <nebadon> wierd i tried updating on mono 4
2015-05-08 03:38 <nebadon> and its giving me trouble
2015-05-08 03:38 <nebadon> let me do a fresh clone
2015-05-08 03:38 <diva> what kind of trouble
2015-05-08 03:39 <nebadon> nevermind
2015-05-08 03:39 <nebadon> i must have botched that branch up some how
2015-05-08 03:40 <nebadon> in a way that git clean -d -f and git reset --hard isnt fixing
2015-05-08 03:40 <nebadon> a fresh clone is fine
2015-05-08 03:40 <nebadon> fresh clone and branch change compiles fine
2015-05-08 03:40 <diva> ok, I'm about to push master with the changes
2015-05-08 03:40 <nebadon> cool
2015-05-08 03:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #4166 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-08 03:41 <nebadon> wait is that your branch there?
2015-05-08 03:42 <diva> no, that's master
2015-05-08 03:42 <nebadon> 25 minutes late cia
2015-05-08 03:42 <nebadon> ok ya
2015-05-08 03:42 <nebadon> just surprised hash doesnt change i guess
2015-05-08 03:42 <diva> it's done. hopefully this doesn't break anything, and ideally it will improve a lot
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2015-05-08 03:45 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Major change in the way inventory is downloaded: added a method throughout IIventoryService that fetches sets of folders at once. Also added folder id in the InventoryCollection data structure, so that we don't need to go to inventory server again just for that. This reduces the chatter between sims and inventory server by... a lot. On my tests, this reduces initial inventory download down to 30% of what it currently is.
2015-05-08 03:46 <nebadon> osgrid robust is comipiling
2015-05-08 03:47 <Ken_S> How long will Robust be down to update?
2015-05-08 03:47 <Ken_S> 10 seconds?
2015-05-08 03:49 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-08 03:50 <nebadon> diva wow!
2015-05-08 03:50 <nebadon> 1:20
2015-05-08 03:51 <nebadon> from 3:45
2015-05-08 03:51 <diva> hehe :)
2015-05-08 03:51 <diva> down to 50% of what it was? :)
2015-05-08 03:51 <nebadon> Ken_S / Misterblue and anyone else
2015-05-08 03:51 <nebadon> all systems are go
2015-05-08 03:51 <nebadon> thats more than 50$
2015-05-08 03:51 <nebadon> 50%
2015-05-08 03:51 <diva> 30%
2015-05-08 03:52 <diva> that's what my simulation showed here too :)
2015-05-08 03:52 <Ken_S> Wonderful!!!
2015-05-08 03:52 <nebadon> 225 seconds old / 80 seconds new
2015-05-08 03:52 <Ken_S> Diva is the best!!!
2015-05-08 03:52 <diva> that code was REALLY bad
2015-05-08 03:52 <nebadon> 35.555555555555556% 
2015-05-08 03:52 <nebadon> to be exact
2015-05-08 03:52 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-08 03:53 <nebadon> danbanner ping-a-ling
2015-05-08 03:53 <Ken_S> I cant help but think XEngine code is just as bad
2015-05-08 03:53 <nebadon> worse
2015-05-08 03:53 <Ken_S> Really?
2015-05-08 03:53 <nebadon> yes
2015-05-08 03:53 <Ken_S> omg
2015-05-08 03:53 <nebadon> xengine cant be fixed in 1 evening
2015-05-08 03:53 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-08 03:54 <Ken_S> As long as the inventory issue has been lingering
2015-05-08 03:54 <Ken_S> I am surprised she fixed it in 1 day !
2015-05-08 03:55 <diva> it wasn't 1 day. It was more like 3
2015-05-08 03:55 <diva> I had to write a whole test client
2015-05-08 03:55 <Ken_S> Still amazing
2015-05-08 03:55 <diva> otherwise I wouldn't be able to measure anything
2015-05-08 03:56 <nebadon> ok, still I doubt xengine will be fixed as easily
2015-05-08 03:57 <nebadon> xengine does a lot more and will require much more extensive tesing too
2015-05-08 03:57 <diva> xengine is a whole different story
2015-05-08 03:57 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-08 03:58 <diva> there are things in opensim that can be improved substantially with 2-3 days of work; others -- like xengine -- will take a lot longer
2015-05-08 03:59 <Ken_S> Wont this inventory change reduce the load on the asset server?
2015-05-08 03:59 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-08 03:59 <diva> no
2015-05-08 03:59 <diva> this is purely between the sim and the inventory service
2015-05-08 03:59 <nebadon> only on Log In Ken_S
2015-05-08 03:59 <Ken_S> Ahhh
2015-05-08 03:59 <diva> it was a bad love story
2015-05-08 04:00 <smxy> Shame we could never get that Snowcrash engine. Didn't Avination wind up with it? His licensing kinda made it a problem, as I recall, but the paper I read on it made it sound really good.
2015-05-08 04:00 <nebadon> no I do not think so smxy
2015-05-08 04:00 <nebadon> I dont think Snowcrash ever did anything
2015-05-08 04:00 <nebadon> it was all theory
2015-05-08 04:00 <diva> what paper?
2015-05-08 04:00 <smxy> I thought Avination got it or something based on it. Maybe I'm wrong.
2015-05-08 04:00 <nebadon> basically he said no one in US could use it
2015-05-08 04:01 <nebadon> so we told him to take a hike
2015-05-08 04:01 <smxy> There was a paper he wrote about how it worked.
2015-05-08 04:01 <smxy> Yes, his license was very political.
2015-05-08 04:02 <nebadon> if he ever had any working code, he never showed anyone or shared it
2015-05-08 04:02 <nebadon> avination is xengine
2015-05-08 04:02 <nebadon> but with better threading
2015-05-08 04:02 <nebadon> but it ony works on mono
2015-05-08 04:02 <nebadon> and I beleive it requires a custom mono
2015-05-08 04:02 <nebadon> atleast it did at one point
2015-05-08 04:02 <nebadon> not sure about now, but its still not good for core
2015-05-08 04:03 <nebadon> as its still dependant on linux i beleive
2015-05-08 04:03 <nebadon> because of threading
2015-05-08 04:06 <nebadon> ok well I will not be around most of day tomorrow
2015-05-08 04:06 <nebadon> until around 6pm EST
2015-05-08 04:06 <nebadon> need to get up early
2015-05-08 04:07 <smxy> Have a good day.
2015-05-08 04:09 <nebadon> thanks :)
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2015-05-08 11:39 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-05-08 12:27 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-08 12:29 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-05-08 12:36 <BlueWall> nebadon, http://sourceforge.net/projects/snowcrash/files/Snowcrash/
2015-05-08 12:39 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-08 12:40 <BlueWall> AGPL license though.
2015-05-08 13:01 <nebadon> ya and read the License too BlueWall
2015-05-08 13:01 <nebadon> id be surprised if it ever really worked though
2015-05-08 13:02 <nebadon> Guess we'll never know since were not allowed to use it lol
2015-05-08 13:02 <nebadon> what a joke
2015-05-08 13:05 <BlueWall> i sok
2015-05-08 13:06 <BlueWall> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh191443.aspx
2015-05-08 13:20 <_AliciaRaven> BlueWall, thats a great feature, will speed up dev time alot when os moves to .net 4.5 i bet, hope justin knows about it
2015-05-08 13:23 <nebadon> as long as mono can handle it
2015-05-08 13:24 <_AliciaRaven> maybe it can be used to stop os being so thread happy, as it can do async stuff with out a new thread
2015-05-08 13:25 <_AliciaRaven> mono should handle it, just might have to wait abit for them to catch up if its not added
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2015-05-08 13:59 <linkedinyou> working on avatar bodyparttype and did not know how to get folder UUID any ideas? i want to fetch between th body part in invntory to a customdefuaalaperancentry
2015-05-08 14:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #4167 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-08 14:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4167: SUCCESS in 9 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4167/
2015-05-08 14:07 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Additional debug message to help diagnose a warning message and exception related to previous commit.
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2015-05-08 14:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #4168 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-05-08 14:41 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: I shouldn't write code this early in the morning... Fixing a 'duh' on previous commit.
2015-05-08 14:48 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-05-08 15:38 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-08 15:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4169: SUCCESS in 4 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4169/
2015-05-08 15:42 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Apparently Firestorm sometimes sends duplicate folder ids on the same request (see http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054#c28297). This was throwing the new inventory download code off.
2015-05-08 15:59 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-05-08 17:01 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-05-08 19:58 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-08 20:03 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-08 21:11 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-08 21:38 <nebadon> Wierd I dont experience that same hang with latest Firestorm Beta that Ai and Mata do
2015-05-08 21:55 <nebadon> hmm ok firestorm did hang on first try in my Windows region
2015-05-08 21:55 <nebadon> let me try Linux again to be sure
2015-05-08 21:55 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-08 21:58 <nebadon> hmmm ya this time it did stick on linux
2015-05-08 22:20 <diva> what hang nebadon
2015-05-08 22:24 <nebadon> the new firestorm hang
2015-05-08 22:24 <nebadon> it eventually stops hanging though
2015-05-08 22:24 <nebadon> i was just about to time how long it took
2015-05-08 22:24 <nebadon> from the time it stopped counting until it finally goes away
2015-05-08 22:28 <diva> ok
2015-05-08 22:32 <nebadon> 4 minutes
2015-05-08 22:32 <diva> wow
2015-05-08 22:32 <nebadon> ya wierd it stops on like the very last item
2015-05-08 22:32 <nebadon> and sits there for 4 minutes before going away
2015-05-08 22:32 <diva> last item?
2015-05-08 22:32 <nebadon> ya it counts up the entire inventory
2015-05-08 22:32 <nebadon> gets tho the last item like 45356
2015-05-08 22:33 <nebadon> and says Fetching 45356 Items...
2015-05-08 22:33 <diva> for Ai it seems to stop in the middle
2015-05-08 22:33 <nebadon> then sits there like that for an aditional 4 minutes
2015-05-08 22:33 <nebadon> hmm
2015-05-08 22:33 <nebadon> ya I dont get why some people are having so much trouble
2015-05-08 22:34 <diva> but that's interesting
2015-05-08 22:34 <diva> I'm testing with a small inventory and FS stays stuck at 136 items, when there are 137
2015-05-08 22:34 <nebadon> yea it must be 1 last item
2015-05-08 22:34 <diva> but all 137 are there...
2015-05-08 22:34 <nebadon> freaks it out
2015-05-08 22:34 <diva> I counted
2015-05-08 22:34 <nebadon> heh uhh.. ya im not doing that :P
2015-05-08 22:35 <nebadon> if you do need a large test inventory let me know
2015-05-08 22:35 <nebadon> i can send you my uber iar
2015-05-08 22:35 <nebadon> its 3.3gb
2015-05-08 22:35 <nebadon> about 46k items
2015-05-08 22:35 <diva> I made a monster inventory a couple of days ago
2015-05-08 22:36 <diva> I thikn that there are two different issues going on
2015-05-08 22:36 <diva> one is a server-side hang, what Ai is experiencing, in the middle
2015-05-08 22:37 <diva> the other is the FS last item not showing issue
2015-05-08 22:37 <diva> what Ai is experiencing seems to be server side
2015-05-08 22:37 <nebadon> i just updated my Windows simulator to see if it any different than Linux
2015-05-08 22:37 <nebadon> it was not
2015-05-08 22:37 <diva> what do you mean
2015-05-08 22:37 <nebadon> well before you latest fix
2015-05-08 22:38 <diva> the issue you are experiencing is a viewer issue
2015-05-08 22:38 <nebadon> i saw vastly different times on windows vs linux
2015-05-08 22:38 <nebadon> i just wanted to see if it was better on both
2015-05-08 22:38 <nebadon> no the previous thing
2015-05-08 22:38 <nebadon> just make sure inventory downloaded just as fast
2015-05-08 22:38 <diva> I'm confisedz!
2015-05-08 22:38 <nebadon> yesterday i was only testing Linux
2015-05-08 22:38 <nebadon> not the firestorm hang
2015-05-08 22:38 <diva> so now it's ok on linux and windows?
2015-05-08 22:38 <nebadon> yes
2015-05-08 22:38 <diva> great
2015-05-08 22:38 <nebadon> exactly the same for me
2015-05-08 22:39 <nebadon> no slow requests like before
2015-05-08 22:39 <diva> there is still something getting stuck for Ai, though, and it's a server-side stuckness, from what I can tell
2015-05-08 22:40 <diva> it seems to resolve itself now, but it's there
2015-05-08 22:40 <diva> I suspect it has to do with links
2015-05-08 22:40 <nebadon> appearance links?
2015-05-08 22:40 <diva> appearance and others
2015-05-08 22:40 <diva> ppl can create links, no?
2015-05-08 22:40 <diva> let me ask him
2015-05-08 22:40 <nebadon> not sure
2015-05-08 22:40 <nebadon> i dont think so though
2015-05-08 22:40 <nebadon> i think its appearance only
2015-05-08 22:40 <diva> yeah I think you can
2015-05-08 22:41 <nebadon> ah hmm
2015-05-08 22:41 <diva> "Paste as link"
2015-05-08 22:41 <nebadon> ya does that work in Sing?
2015-05-08 22:41 <diva> If ppl have a lot of links, that's going to be a problem
2015-05-08 22:41 <nebadon> or is that firestorm thing i wonder
2015-05-08 22:41 <nebadon> i see it in firestorm
2015-05-08 22:41 <nebadon> let me relog with singularity
2015-05-08 22:41 <nebadon> I didnt know that existed
2015-05-08 22:42 <nebadon> what the hell good is that?
2015-05-08 22:42 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-08 22:42 <diva> it's like linux symbolic links
2015-05-08 22:43 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-08 22:43 <nebadon> what happens if you erase the original though
2015-05-08 22:43 <nebadon> you get a ton of broken links?
2015-05-08 22:43 <diva> yes
2015-05-08 22:43 <nebadon> gawd
2015-05-08 22:43 <nebadon> thats just dumb
2015-05-08 22:43 <diva> and the code for handling link items is not pretty
2015-05-08 22:45 <diva> links generate a lot of chatter with the inventory service, one per link
2015-05-08 22:45 <nebadon> ya amazing i never noticed that before 
2015-05-08 22:45 <nebadon> never once had I used it
2015-05-08 22:45 <diva> if this hanging is because of links, I may need to wire in yet one additional function in the inventory service
2015-05-08 22:45 <nebadon> fun
2015-05-08 22:45 <nebadon> i guess you need to make a ton of links and see
2015-05-08 22:46 <diva> heheh
2015-05-08 22:46 <diva> wanna do that? :)
2015-05-08 22:46 <nebadon> I can try
2015-05-08 22:47 <diva> yeah, I"m 80% sure the hanging in the middle is because of links...
2015-05-08 22:47 <nebadon> atleast they had good sense to make link icon different
2015-05-08 22:47 <nebadon> i copied like 20 items and paste as link into a folder
2015-05-08 22:48 <nebadon> ok let me clear cache and try
2015-05-08 22:48 <diva> with 20 you may not notice any difference if your sim and your inventory are on the same network
2015-05-08 22:48 <nebadon> hmm
2015-05-08 22:48 <diva> i guess I can test it here too..
2015-05-08 22:48 <diva> with my bot and a forced latency
2015-05-08 22:49 <nebadon> well lets find out
2015-05-08 22:49 <diva> ok
2015-05-08 22:51 <nebadon> yea no hang
2015-05-08 22:51 <nebadon> with Singularity anyway
2015-05-08 22:51 <nebadon> I assume this bug is not viewer dependant
2015-05-08 22:51 <diva> correct
2015-05-08 22:51 <diva> and somehow it may be exaccerbated in a windows simulator
2015-05-08 22:51 <nebadon> I can try Wright Plaza
2015-05-08 22:52 <nebadon> ah let me try windows
2015-05-08 22:52 <diva> i don't actually know. that issue report is so messy, I lost track of all the variables
2015-05-08 22:52 <nebadon> the ol' windows tax :P
2015-05-08 22:53 <nebadon> Ai does use windows sims I think
2015-05-08 22:53 <diva> but if his inventory has a lot of links, then that may be another factor
2015-05-08 22:53 <nebadon> ya I can make a few 100 links
2015-05-08 22:53 <nebadon> and test again
2015-05-08 22:53 <diva> cos the code I'm looking at does something really horrible when there are links
2015-05-08 22:54 <diva> this will be really bad in terms ot time
2015-05-08 22:54 <diva> if you have many links and you login to a sim that's far from the inventory server, that request will take a very llong time to finish
2015-05-08 22:54 <nebadon> im pretty far from inventory server
2015-05-08 22:54 <diva> ok great
2015-05-08 22:55 <nebadon> i get like 120ms ping or so
2015-05-08 22:55 <nebadon> 100-120
2015-05-08 22:55 <diva> that's great
2015-05-08 22:55 <diva> crank up the links then and test it
2015-05-08 22:55 <nebadon> ok no pause on windows
2015-05-08 22:55 <nebadon> let me make a lot of links
2015-05-08 22:55 <nebadon> do my whole objects folder
2015-05-08 22:55 <nebadon> that outta do it
2015-05-08 22:55 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-08 22:56 <diva> hehe
2015-05-08 22:56 <diva> omg, you will see a pause, I"m sure
2015-05-08 22:56 <diva> but nebadon
2015-05-08 22:56 <diva> split the links into multiple folders, not just one
2015-05-08 22:56 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-08 22:57 <nebadon> subfolders are ok?
2015-05-08 22:57 <diva> yes
2015-05-08 22:57 <nebadon> how many folders is good?
2015-05-08 22:57 <nebadon> 10?
2015-05-08 22:57 <diva> about 10
2015-05-08 22:57 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-08 22:57 <diva> :)
2015-05-08 22:57 <nebadon> ya this is a lot of links
2015-05-08 22:57 <nebadon> my inventory already increased by 1000
2015-05-08 22:58 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-08 22:58 <nebadon> its still making links
2015-05-08 22:58 <diva> hehe
2015-05-08 23:02 <nebadon> heh diva
2015-05-08 23:03 <nebadon> i relogged as soon as it finished making links
2015-05-08 23:03 <nebadon> before even subfoldering
2015-05-08 23:03 <nebadon> and its stuck downloading inventory
2015-05-08 23:03 <diva> bingo!
2015-05-08 23:03 <nebadon> i didnt even clear cache
2015-05-08 23:03 <nebadon> its stuck on 45492..
2015-05-08 23:03 <nebadon> not moving
2015-05-08 23:03 <diva> can you do it again
2015-05-08 23:03 <nebadon> ya let me clear cache this time
2015-05-08 23:03 <diva> clear the cache for maximum fun
2015-05-08 23:03 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-08 23:04 <diva> yeah I"m gonna have to rewrite that inventory service interface again
2015-05-08 23:04 <diva> this is too inefficient
2015-05-08 23:06 <diva> my patch eased the problems, that's why now Ai's inventory fetching recovers
2015-05-08 23:06 <nebadon> well i think we know now why i couldnt experience this
2015-05-08 23:06 <nebadon> i didnt know links existed
2015-05-08 23:06 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-08 23:06 <diva> but those links are complete killers
2015-05-08 23:06 <nebadon> I was really scratching my head like why the hell cant i of all people experience this
2015-05-08 23:06 <nebadon> i have a horrible inventory
2015-05-08 23:07 <Plugh> Who maintains WhiteCore-Sim?
2015-05-08 23:07 <nebadon> Whitestar
2015-05-08 23:07 <nebadon> diva
2015-05-08 23:07 <nebadon> rofl
2015-05-08 23:07 <nebadon> its stuck on 11
2015-05-08 23:07 <diva> tell e
2015-05-08 23:07 <nebadon> for like a minute
2015-05-08 23:07 <diva> great, so we nailed it
2015-05-08 23:07 <nebadon> i broke it
2015-05-08 23:08 <diva> leave the links in your inventory, we'll test again after I'm done with the new patch for it
2015-05-08 23:08 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-08 23:08 <Plugh> Whitestar isn't around much these days?
2015-05-08 23:08 <nebadon> nah, where on his shit list
2015-05-08 23:09 <Plugh> oh, ok. I'm not going to ask why.
2015-05-08 23:09 <nebadon> we didnt fix stuff fast enough for him
2015-05-08 23:09 <Plugh> oh. That's the complaint a lot of people make.
2015-05-08 23:09 <nebadon> becase we were intentionally holding the project back
2015-05-08 23:10 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-08 23:10 <Plugh> As some other people complain that it seems like all the fixes are focused around HG and not much else.
2015-05-08 23:11 <nebadon> heh man i really killed my inventory I dont think its ever going to go past 11 items
2015-05-08 23:11 <Plugh> Are there any issues with porting code from WhiteCore-Sim to OpenSim?
2015-05-08 23:11 <nebadon> ooh of course as soon as I say that it goes to 13
2015-05-08 23:11 <nebadon> we are cookin now
2015-05-08 23:11 <nebadon> oh it just jumped to 5400
2015-05-08 23:12 <nebadon> oh and 22k now
2015-05-08 23:12 <nebadon> and my avatar just becasme visible
2015-05-08 23:12 <Plugh> that's a big jump from 5400 to 22k
2015-05-08 23:12 <nebadon> seemingly stuck at 22k now
2015-05-08 23:12 <diva> yeah, once those links are downloaded, everything should flow again
2015-05-08 23:12 <nebadon> ok 25k
2015-05-08 23:12 <diva> it's when the sim gets a request for a folder that has lots of links, that's when it's problematic
2015-05-08 23:12 <nebadon> very slow
2015-05-08 23:12 <nebadon> well I am glad we figured it out
2015-05-08 23:12 <diva> and since there are 2 threads, things will get stuk when both threads are processing folders with links
2015-05-08 23:12 <nebadon> be good to put inventory to bed for a while
2015-05-08 23:13 <nebadon> its been horrible for a long time
2015-05-08 23:13 <nebadon> hopefully it makes HG a bit better too
2015-05-08 23:13 <nebadon> just need to convince everyone to update, easier said than done
2015-05-08 23:15 <nebadon> kotaku.com/nevermind-home-headsets-i-want-a-virtual-reality-theme-1702552987
2015-05-08 23:15 <nebadon> grr
2015-05-08 23:15 <nebadon> http://kotaku.com/nevermind-home-headsets-i-want-a-virtual-reality-theme-1702552987
2015-05-08 23:23 <Ar3s> Hello devs :-)
2015-05-08 23:24 <Ar3s> I have a question, i'm a "newbie" programmer, and i'm searching for this solution: i would like to place 2 different projects in a prebuild.xml inside an addon-modules dir
2015-05-08 23:24 <Ar3s> one of them is a library and the other is a executable
2015-05-08 23:24 <Ar3s> i have it working inside of 2 seperate dirs
2015-05-08 23:24 <Ar3s> but for the heck of it, i would like to combine the 2 inside 1 dir
2015-05-08 23:25 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-08 23:25 <Ar3s> i'm now having trouble defining 2 seperate projects inside thesame prebuild.xml
2015-05-08 23:25 <nebadon> ok hang around a bit Ar3s someone can help
2015-05-08 23:25 <nebadon> BlueWall might have some ideas
2015-05-08 23:25 <Ar3s> i tried with the solution as root element, but that gives me a different sln file ofc :-)
2015-05-08 23:25 <nebadon> hes pretty good with that stuff
2015-05-08 23:25 <Ar3s> neat :D
2015-05-08 23:26 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-08 23:35 <Ar3s> maybe if i use prebuild1.xml and prebuild2.xml since the prebuild itself shows the searchpattern as prebuild*xml
2015-05-08 23:35 <Ar3s> mhh might be worth a try :)
2015-05-08 23:36 <nebadon> not sure I dont have much experience with prebuild stuff I know its complicated
2015-05-08 23:36 <nebadon> and order can be important
2015-05-08 23:38 <Ar3s> well thats the solution :D haha
2015-05-08 23:38 <Ar3s> just make several prebuild*xml's :-)
2015-05-08 23:38 <smxy> [19:10] <Plugh> As some other people complain that it seems like all the fixes are focused around HG and not much else. <-- Other fixes are good too, but *I'll* never complain about anything that makes HG better. :)
2015-05-08 23:38 <Ar3s> works like a charm :D
2015-05-08 23:39 <nebadon> nice Ar3s
2015-05-08 23:39 <Ar3s> uhm great smxy HG rocks but my idea is, lets make the base super first, then think further :P lol
2015-05-08 23:40 <smxy> HG *is* part of the Core OpenSim now. :)
2015-05-08 23:40 <Ar3s> the word *is* doesn't mean that everyone agree's with it :-)
2015-05-08 23:40 <Ar3s> but like i said, HG is a fantistic thing :-)
2015-05-08 23:40 <Ar3s> fantastic even lol
2015-05-08 23:41 <smxy> I believe I was talking about myself, not everyone else. :)
2015-05-08 23:42 <Ar3s> that would make yourself part of the Core OpenSim, thats an interesting idea :D
2015-05-08 23:42 <smxy> TBH, if it weren't for HG, I'd have stopped using OpenSim years ago.
2015-05-08 23:44 <Ar3s> aslong as everyone gets their own thing out of it :-)
2015-05-08 23:44 <smxy> If they learn to program, they can have everything they want. :)
2015-05-08 23:45 <smxy> Until then, we go where the developers go.
2015-05-09 00:03 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 00:08 <_AliciaRaven> is this the longest mantis post ever? lol
2015-05-09 00:09 <diva> nebadon is there a way of restricting who can add comments to a mantis?
2015-05-09 00:09 <Plugh> smxy: I recognize that there are a lot of people who are making use of the HG features of OpenSim. Some of the HG fixes also fix things in OpenSim when it isn't used in HG mode. I don't use any of the HG features of OpenSim, nor perform any tests of OpenSim in an HG type configuration.
2015-05-09 00:09 <diva> I'm seriously getting annoyed with the noise there
2015-05-09 00:09 <nebadon> hmm not sure I dont think so, short of banning someone 
2015-05-09 00:10 <Plugh> bbl. I'm going to take the cat for a walk before it gets too dark outside.
2015-05-09 00:24 <danbanner> maybe open a new mantis
2015-05-09 00:52 <smxy> They'll just comment there ...
2015-05-09 00:53 <Plugh> The cat only wanted to stay out for about a half hour. Just as well. I was seeing signs of mosquitos flying around out there.
2015-05-09 00:54 <diva> you take your cat for walks?!
2015-05-09 00:54 <Plugh> yup. Every now and then. Not too often so he doesn't expect it all the time.
2015-05-09 00:55 <smxy> He dotes on that cat more than some people do their human children. :)
2015-05-09 00:55 <dahlia> on a leash?
2015-05-09 00:55 <diva> on a leash?
2015-05-09 00:55 <Plugh> dahlia: Yup.
2015-05-09 00:55 <dahlia> lol
2015-05-09 00:55 <Plugh> Someone just the next street over takes their cat for a walk on a leash about every day if the weather is good.
2015-05-09 00:55 <dahlia> have you considered a career in bahavioral psychology?
2015-05-09 00:55 <Plugh> hehe
2015-05-09 00:55 <smxy> I used to take a cat out on a leash. Usually I ended up dragging him around the yard on his side, getting grass stains on his white fur, lol.
2015-05-09 00:56 <dahlia> lol
2015-05-09 00:56 <nebadon> if i tried to put a leash on my cat he would probably freak the hell out
2015-05-09 00:56 <nebadon> thinking its a snake
2015-05-09 00:58 <diva> wow, that code that handles inventory links on download is really amazingly innefficient
2015-05-09 00:58 <dahlia> lol
2015-05-09 00:58 <diva> ti goes back to inventory server twice on every link!
2015-05-09 00:59 <diva> and that's not talking abot the other things I already optimized...
2015-05-09 00:59 <diva> but for links: twice per link!
2015-05-09 00:59 <dahlia> O(2n)?
2015-05-09 00:59 <diva> yes
2015-05-09 01:00 <diva> with a latency of 100ms, imagine what that was doing!
2015-05-09 01:00 <nebadon> to put it into perspective
2015-05-09 01:00 <dahlia> I'd think it might be better to get the region out of the loop
2015-05-09 01:00 <nebadon> my inventory still hasnt finsihed downloading diva
2015-05-09 01:00 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-09 01:01 <diva> the one with the links?
2015-05-09 01:01 <nebadon> yes
2015-05-09 01:01 <diva> heheh
2015-05-09 01:01 <diva> dahlia: yes
2015-05-09 01:01 <diva> someone needs to write a capability service
2015-05-09 01:01 <diva> before that can be done securely
2015-05-09 01:02 <dahlia> I thought maybe simian had that
2015-05-09 01:02 <dahlia> not sure
2015-05-09 01:02 <diva> in php maybe
2015-05-09 01:02 <dahlia> and maybe SL does that too
2015-05-09 01:13 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 01:20 <Plugh> diva: Twice per link? That is strange. Side effect of something or bad coding. Either way, more stuff for you to clean up. 
2015-05-09 01:20 <Plugh> :)
2015-05-09 01:21 <diva> actually it's even worse. It's twice per item linked and multiple times per folder linked
2015-05-09 01:21 <Plugh> eek
2015-05-09 01:21 <diva> insane
2015-05-09 01:21 <Plugh> indeed
2015-05-09 01:32 <diva> omg. With the existing code, if someone has a folder that's a link to another folder containing 100 items, there will be 100 calls to the inentory server!
2015-05-09 01:35 <Plugh> You are getting to the bottom of why inventory loading is so bad.
2015-05-09 01:37 <dahlia> I had nothing to do with inventory :) *gloats*
2015-05-09 01:38 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION wrote that code, and then changed his nick

2015-05-09 01:38 <Plugh> dahlia: http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=02596b0
2015-05-09 01:40 <dahlia> awww poor ash has no freedom to chase the lady cats :(
2015-05-09 01:41 <nebadon> we let our cat out into the yard he is very good about not going very far
2015-05-09 01:41 <nebadon> but he has a habbit of killing anything that makes two much noise
2015-05-09 01:42 <nebadon> we had a bunch of baby squirels once who the mother abandoned and he teached them how to climb trees
2015-05-09 01:42 <nebadon> was funny
2015-05-09 01:42 <nebadon> any animal that doesnt make too much noise can stay lol
2015-05-09 01:46 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q47DiFl65Dc
2015-05-09 01:47 <Dev_Random> turkey?  not bacon pancakes?
2015-05-09 01:47 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-09 01:47 <nebadon> he ate more turkey than i did that day
2015-05-09 01:48 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-09 01:48 <AllenKerensky> ... turkey bacon?
2015-05-09 01:53 <nebadon> man my inventory is still downloading
2015-05-09 01:53 <nebadon> it hasnt stopped yet either
2015-05-09 01:53 <nebadon> its up to 44,986 now
2015-05-09 01:53 <nebadon> almost 3 hours
2015-05-09 01:54 <nebadon> god no wonder people are mad
2015-05-09 02:07 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 02:27 <smxy> That's your cat, nebadon?
2015-05-09 02:27 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-09 02:27 <smxy> He's eating with manner, at the table, almost. lol
2015-05-09 02:27 <smxy> manners*
2015-05-09 02:28 <nebadon> hehe ya
2015-05-09 02:28 <nebadon> he knows not to put paws on table :)
2015-05-09 02:28 <smxy> How old was he then?
2015-05-09 02:28 <nebadon> about 8 or so
2015-05-09 02:29 <smxy> My 13 year old, Xena, is watching him like a hawk, on screen. She's fascinated by him.
2015-05-09 02:29 <nebadon> lol nice
2015-05-09 02:41 <smxy> Xena, the Cougar. LOL
2015-05-09 02:41 <smxy> She loves your cat.
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2015-05-09 03:13 <Plugh> nebadon: Our cat is not allowed to eat at the table. If he is to be given special treats like that we put the food on a saucer and the saucer goes on the floor.
2015-05-09 03:13 <Plugh> bbl
2015-05-09 03:20 <smxy> My cats go wherever, whenever, the hell they want. :) It's just me and them, and I don't care. :)
2015-05-09 03:20 <diva> not only that code is was highly inefficient, it also had a functional bug that made all those calls to inventory essentially return null
2015-05-09 03:21 <diva> which makes me wonder whether that complication is really necessary in the first place
2015-05-09 03:23 <dahlia> cats should be allowed to eat at the table as long as they have proper manners and use the same utensils as people do, and they help wash dishes afterwards
2015-05-09 03:25 <dahlia> but cats should probably not be allowed to write inventory code
2015-05-09 03:26 <diva> nebadon do you know of any bug reports pertaining to inventory links? 
2015-05-09 03:26 <Dev_Random> true.. if you want fetching done, get a dog to do it.
2015-05-09 03:27 <nebadon> diva i didnt even know you could do inventory links other than appearance more than about 4 hours ago
2015-05-09 03:27 <diva> basically the code that's there doesn't do what it's meant to do for folders that are linked. But if no one complains, maybe there's nothing to fix
2015-05-09 03:27 <dahlia> diva: I know inventory links are usually broken if you load an iar
2015-05-09 03:28 <diva> dahlia, not the same code, but the same coder :)
2015-05-09 03:28 <dahlia> lol
2015-05-09 03:28 <dahlia> my favorite blame victim?
2015-05-09 03:28 <BlueWall> 0.o
2015-05-09 03:28 <diva> everyone's favorite blame victim! :)
2015-05-09 03:28 <nebadon> the only bug report that has "inventory links" is an IAR bug
2015-05-09 03:28 <nebadon> that dahlia just mentioned
2015-05-09 03:28 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5578
2015-05-09 03:28 <nebadon> i cant find anything else
2015-05-09 03:29 <dahlia> but I bet that inventory code is nicely formatted and has few spelling errors :)
2015-05-09 03:29 <diva> maybe the same bug, but different part of the code
2015-05-09 03:29 <dahlia> 
ACTION ducks...

2015-05-09 03:30 <nebadon> and a possible unit test :P
2015-05-09 03:30 <diva> justin's code is trying to be smart and prefetch a bunch of items that are in folders that are linked
2015-05-09 03:30 <diva> but thos items aren't really being fetched because he was giving the wrong UUID
2015-05-09 03:30 <dahlia> oops
2015-05-09 03:31 <diva> he got confused with item id and asset id
2015-05-09 03:31 <diva> so now i don't really know if I should prefetch so much
2015-05-09 03:32 <dahlia> I'd think fetching the normal items and folders before fetching the links?
2015-05-09 03:32 <dahlia> or how would it know
2015-05-09 03:32 <dahlia> 
ACTION shrugs

2015-05-09 03:32 <diva> well, I'll just go along and prefetch
2015-05-09 03:33 <dahlia> Ive never written inventory code, Ive only just complained about it
2015-05-09 03:33 <diva> this time i'll prefetch the right uuids
2015-05-09 03:33 <diva> this only affects linked folders, not linked items
2015-05-09 03:34 <diva> for linked items, the code was correct, albeit extremely inefficient
2015-05-09 03:48 <diva> ok, nebadon, this is ready for testing
2015-05-09 03:49 <diva> I'm going to send it up straight to master
2015-05-09 03:53 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-09 03:53 <nebadon> more Robust updates?
2015-05-09 03:53 <nebadon> or just Simulator?
2015-05-09 03:54 <diva> it's both, but again let's test the transition
2015-05-09 03:54 <nebadon> hmm ok thats not as easy
2015-05-09 03:54 <nebadon> since i'll have to create a bunch of links on my private grid
2015-05-09 03:54 <nebadon> i was doing that on OSgrid earlier
2015-05-09 03:54 <diva> ok, then let's do it at once
2015-05-09 03:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #4170 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-09 03:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4170: SUCCESS in 4 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4170/
2015-05-09 03:59 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Restore handling of bad folders. I'm not entirely sure this is part of the protocol -- I don't see it here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Inventory_API#Fetch_inventory_descendents
2015-05-09 03:59 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Another major overhaul of inventory downloading, this time pertaining to inventory links. Added yet another function to IInventoryService to get multiple items at once, so that fetching collections of linked items is done once per folder instead of once per item.
2015-05-09 04:02 <nebadon> ok almost ready
2015-05-09 04:02 <nebadon> just waiting for region to start
2015-05-09 04:02 <nebadon> ok here goes
2015-05-09 04:03 <nebadon> already to 22k
2015-05-09 04:03 <nebadon> 30k
2015-05-09 04:03 <nebadon> 35k
2015-05-09 04:03 <nebadon> 40k
2015-05-09 04:03 <nebadon> done
2015-05-09 04:03 <nebadon> 1:34
2015-05-09 04:04 <nebadon> 48,051 items
2015-05-09 04:04 <nebadon> diva ^^
2015-05-09 04:04 <nebadon> id say you maybe fixed it :P
2015-05-09 04:04 <nebadon> OSgrid is updated :)
2015-05-09 04:04 <dahlia> try links
2015-05-09 04:04 <nebadon> danbanner ^^
2015-05-09 04:04 <nebadon> you mean rez one?
2015-05-09 04:05 <nebadon> hmm won't rez
2015-05-09 04:05 <dahlia> whateever you need to do to try
2015-05-09 04:05 <nebadon> thats not good
2015-05-09 04:05 <dahlia> oops
2015-05-09 04:05 <nebadon> are they supposed to be rezzable?
2015-05-09 04:05 <nebadon> i have never used a link before a few hours ago
2015-05-09 04:05 <dahlia> think so
2015-05-09 04:05 <nebadon> didnt even know you could
2015-05-09 04:05 <dahlia> usually clothing uses links
2015-05-09 04:05 <nebadon> yea none of them rez Diva!!
2015-05-09 04:05 <danbanner> lemme login to sl and see
2015-05-09 04:06 <nebadon> I can wear it
2015-05-09 04:06 <nebadon> but it wont rez
2015-05-09 04:06 <dahlia> maybe updated osgrid too soon :P
2015-05-09 04:06 <nebadon> its easy to downgrade
2015-05-09 04:06 <dahlia> 
ACTION sits on the sideline with popcorn waiting for the angry mobs

2015-05-09 04:06 <nebadon> diva you here?
2015-05-09 04:08 <nebadon> oh
2015-05-09 04:08 <nebadon> they dont rez in SL either
2015-05-09 04:08 <nebadon> so nvm
2015-05-09 04:08 <nebadon> I guess its for appearance only
2015-05-09 04:09 <AllenKerensky> can you put it in boxes?
2015-05-09 04:09 <nebadon> nope
2015-05-09 04:09 <nebadon> not in OS or SL
2015-05-09 04:09 <danbanner> i cant rez a link in sl
2015-05-09 04:09 <nebadon> me either
2015-05-09 04:10 <danbanner> i can wear it tho
2015-05-09 04:10 <nebadon> 
ACTION slaps the cancel red alert button

2015-05-09 04:10 <danbanner> lol
2015-05-09 04:10 <danbanner> robust is updated?
2015-05-09 04:10 <nebadon> ok good stuff
2015-05-09 04:11 <nebadon> yes it is
2015-05-09 04:11 <danbanner> okay lemme do the plazas and then make a new release
2015-05-09 04:11 <nebadon> it will be really nice to not hear anyone complain about this problem for a while
2015-05-09 04:11 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-09 04:11 <danbanner> after some testing
2015-05-09 04:11 <nebadon> sounds good
2015-05-09 04:11 <BlueWall> haha
2015-05-09 04:12 <AllenKerensky> sounds like it ends up far better than SL as far as inventory performance too
2015-05-09 04:12 <nebadon> 
ACTION goes to erase 3000 links in his inventory

2015-05-09 04:12 <nebadon> eh guess i'll leave it for a bit
2015-05-09 04:12 <nebadon> until this is fully qualified as fixed
2015-05-09 04:12 <nebadon> cause if i erase it now
2015-05-09 04:12 <nebadon> i doom the whole thing
2015-05-09 04:13 <nebadon> chaos 101
2015-05-09 04:14 <nebadon> 
ACTION fears diva fell into a deep code coma

2015-05-09 04:14 <nebadon> overwhelmed by the inefficiencies
2015-05-09 04:14 <BlueWall> if she was sipping wine while doing that coding, she may have passed out @.@
2015-05-09 04:21 <diva> good!
2015-05-09 04:22 <diva> no, just had to assist family and stayed watching Pitch Perfect for a little
2015-05-09 04:22 <nebadon> :)
2015-05-09 04:22 <diva> so your monster link inventory downloaded ok?
2015-05-09 04:22 <nebadon> yep
2015-05-09 04:22 <nebadon> like it wasnt even there
2015-05-09 04:22 <diva> yea
2015-05-09 04:22 <nebadon> links attached fine
2015-05-09 04:23 <diva> the code that was there was perhaps some of the most inefficient code I've come across...
2015-05-09 04:23 <nebadon> we learned you cant rez them
2015-05-09 04:23 <diva> yeah, you can only folllow to the source
2015-05-09 04:23 <diva> argh, brb
2015-05-09 04:23 <nebadon> yea seems like its for attachments / appearance only
2015-05-09 04:23 <nebadon> k
2015-05-09 04:23 <nebadon> which sort of makes more sense
2015-05-09 04:24 <nebadon> if you want to sort outfits on no-copy stuff
2015-05-09 04:24 <nebadon> make a link
2015-05-09 04:24 <nebadon> though i wondfer if you can even link to no copy
2015-05-09 04:24 <nebadon> maybe not
2015-05-09 04:25 <nebadon> you can
2015-05-09 04:25 <danbanner> ya you can
2015-05-09 04:26 <nebadon> 
ACTION << so called expert pffft

2015-05-09 04:27 <nebadon> can't beleive i didnt know about links
2015-05-09 04:27 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-09 04:33 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 04:35 <nebadon> omg
2015-05-09 04:35 <nebadon> you guys are going to love this one
2015-05-09 04:35 <nebadon> diva
2015-05-09 04:35 <diva> tell
2015-05-09 04:35 <nebadon> Christer just skypes me and says, Happy Birthday
2015-05-09 04:35 <nebadon> im like wtf
2015-05-09 04:35 <nebadon> my birthday is 9/5
2015-05-09 04:35 <nebadon> its 5/9 today
2015-05-09 04:35 <diva> hehe
2015-05-09 04:35 <nebadon> skype does the numbers backwards for EU
2015-05-09 04:35 <nebadon> omg im dieing
2015-05-09 04:36 <nebadon> freakin microsoft
2015-05-09 04:36 <AllenKerensky> play with locales and get the / changed to , and stuff too
2015-05-09 04:39 <danbanner> i got a notice your BD was today too and im not in EU
2015-05-09 04:40 <nebadon> what the hell
2015-05-09 04:40 <nebadon> its right in my profile
2015-05-09 04:40 <danbanner> see PM
2015-05-09 04:40 <danbanner> i sent you an image
2015-05-09 04:40 <nebadon> ya how odd
2015-05-09 04:41 <nebadon> i check my profile and its correct
2015-05-09 04:41 <danbanner> better mantis it
2015-05-09 04:41 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-09 04:41 <danbanner> they must have screwed up something
2015-05-09 04:41 <nebadon> ya
2015-05-09 04:41 <danbanner> wonder what you would see my bd as?
2015-05-09 04:42 <nebadon> let me look
2015-05-09 04:42 <nebadon> i wonder
2015-05-09 04:42 <nebadon> maybe its my Linux skype
2015-05-09 04:42 <nebadon> they havent updated it in ages
2015-05-09 04:42 <nebadon> i should check on android
2015-05-09 04:43 <nebadon> 9/30 for you danbanner?
2015-05-09 04:43 <danbanner> mine date is still showing as it was
2015-05-09 04:43 <danbanner> ya
2015-05-09 04:43 <nebadon> k must be the linux skype
2015-05-09 04:43 <nebadon> let me see what android shows if i even can
2015-05-09 04:43 <nebadon> android skype isnt so great either
2015-05-09 04:43 <danbanner> oh linux skype is setting it wrong?
2015-05-09 04:43 <nebadon> perhaps
2015-05-09 04:43 <nebadon> its aincent
2015-05-09 04:44 <danbanner> should say 5 / 9 / year in skype
2015-05-09 04:44 <danbanner> day month year
2015-05-09 04:44 <danbanner> in your profile
2015-05-09 04:44 <nebadon> its version 4.3 in skype
2015-05-09 04:44 <danbanner> you must have the numbers flipped
2015-05-09 04:45 <nebadon> well damn ya
2015-05-09 04:45 <danbanner> hah
2015-05-09 04:45 <nebadon> on android its different
2015-05-09 04:45 <nebadon> no on my skype one its definitely not because it wont let me go above 12
2015-05-09 04:45 <danbanner> quick change it and you can have two birthdays
2015-05-09 04:45 <danbanner> hmm
2015-05-09 04:46 <nebadon> linux skype that is
2015-05-09 04:46 <nebadon> maybe i should re-install it
2015-05-09 04:46 <nebadon> i fixed it on my phone
2015-05-09 04:46 <nebadon> oh you know what
2015-05-09 04:46 <nebadon> on my laptop i didnt use the skype rpm
2015-05-09 04:47 <nebadon> i used the generic version
2015-05-09 04:47 <nebadon> maybe thats why
2015-05-09 04:47 <nebadon> so i could run it in user space
2015-05-09 04:50 <nebadon> interestingly even after changing it in android, its still showing as it was before in Linux
2015-05-09 04:50 <nebadon> after logging out and back in
2015-05-09 04:50 <nebadon> must be a bug or something
2015-05-09 04:54 <nebadon> all plazas are updated danbanner?
2015-05-09 04:54 <danbanner> yes
2015-05-09 04:54 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 04:54 <danbanner> plazas, voids, etc
2015-05-09 04:54 <nebadon> ok cool I just put a note on mantis for Ai so he can grab latest release for testing
2015-05-09 04:54 <nebadon> hopefully this is finally it
2015-05-09 04:55 <nebadon> I probably should erase my inventory links soon, so I dont clobber peoples sims who dont update
2015-05-09 04:55 <nebadon> though not sure what kind of impact it would actually have on the sim, or its just my own experience that is weakened
2015-05-09 04:56 <nebadon> proabably not good
2015-05-09 04:56 <diva> it has a huge impact on the sim
2015-05-09 04:56 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-09 04:56 <nebadon> well after Ai and Mata say its good im going to purge them
2015-05-09 04:56 <diva> it's amazing that things worked
2015-05-09 04:56 <diva> good thing that most ppl had the inventory cached
2015-05-09 04:56 <diva> most of the time
2015-05-09 04:56 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-09 04:58 <nebadon> thanks a lot diva this will definitley make the whole experience a lot better no doubt
2015-05-09 04:59 <nebadon> was definitely frustrating to not know what to tell people, when i could not for the life of me make it happen
2015-05-09 04:59 <nebadon> Inventory while its gotten better, it was never right
2015-05-09 04:59 <nebadon> until your fixes that is
2015-05-09 05:00 <diva> yeah, hopefully this is it. Until we make it go away from the simulator entirely
2015-05-09 05:01 <diva> I still see that weirdness of the perpetual "Fetching..." in Firestorm
2015-05-09 05:01 <nebadon> ah ya I didnt try that test I was using singularity
2015-05-09 05:02 <diva> That issue report is so confusing, I don't understand if that was already there before or not
2015-05-09 05:02 <nebadon> it started with the latest Firestorm
2015-05-09 05:02 <diva> I guess I can check it
2015-05-09 05:02 <nebadon> which is like a week old
2015-05-09 05:02 <nebadon> we should probably see what Firestorm folks say too
2015-05-09 05:02 <nebadon> that viewer is still beta
2015-05-09 05:03 <nebadon> Tank_Master you around?
2015-05-09 05:03 <nebadon> he is a firestorm dev
2015-05-09 05:04 <Tank_Master> one that was off to bed after a 12h shift...
2015-05-09 05:04 <nebadon> okie dokie
2015-05-09 05:05 <nebadon> if you can ping me when you have some free, rested time :)
2015-05-09 05:05 <Tank_Master> sunday afternoon
2015-05-09 05:05 <nebadon> a wierd inventory issue with new Firestorm
2015-05-09 05:05 <nebadon> ok great
2015-05-09 05:05 <nebadon> thanks Man
2015-05-09 05:05 <osmantis> Bug #7556:04 Teleporting in to 4096x4096 var fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7556 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 05:05 <Tank_Master> try turning off AIS3
2015-05-09 05:05 <nebadon> oh ok how do I do that
2015-05-09 05:05 <nebadon> debug?
2015-05-09 05:06 <Tank_Master> its in the debug inder something of hte like of FSAIS3?
2015-05-09 05:06 <nebadon> ok thanks
2015-05-09 05:06 <nebadon> i will try that now
2015-05-09 05:06 <Tank_Master> LL moved a lot of stuff to HTTP
2015-05-09 05:06 <Tank_Master> might be causing issues for OS
2015-05-09 05:06 <nebadon> well inventory downloads great
2015-05-09 05:06 <nebadon> doh
2015-05-09 05:07 <diva> ok
2015-05-09 05:07 <diva> I see the same behavior on an older sim
2015-05-09 05:07 <diva> so it has nothing to do with these changes
2015-05-09 05:07 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-09 05:07 <diva> it's Firestorm
2015-05-09 05:07 <nebadon> ya im going to try what he suggested
2015-05-09 05:07 <nebadon> FSUseAis3Api
2015-05-09 05:08 <nebadon> is the debug option 
2015-05-09 05:08 <nebadon> going to disable it
2015-05-09 05:08 <nebadon> here goes
2015-05-09 05:08 <diva> what is the AISv3 API?
2015-05-09 05:08 <nebadon> LL
2015-05-09 05:09 <nebadon> lls new inventory delivery cloud api
2015-05-09 05:09 <diva> Is tat documented somewhere Tank_Master?
2015-05-09 05:09 <Tank_Master> Asset Inventory System 
2015-05-09 05:09 <Tank_Master> indirectly, yeah
2015-05-09 05:09 <Tank_Master> in that its not a spcific OS issue
2015-05-09 05:10 <diva> did they write web pages about it?
2015-05-09 05:10 <Tank_Master> theres more invntory and avatar changes in the works for LL, btw
2015-05-09 05:10 <diva> or is it just the same capabilities?
2015-05-09 05:10 <Tank_Master> its documented, yeaj
2015-05-09 05:10 <Tank_Master> not sure exactly where
2015-05-09 05:10 <diva> can you point me to a url?
2015-05-09 05:10 <nebadon> ok unfortunately disabling does not fix the problem
2015-05-09 05:11 <Tank_Master> i havent been in the loop much sence ive started working at Intel
2015-05-09 05:11 <Tank_Master> ouch
2015-05-09 05:11 <Tank_Master> ok, file a jira :P
2015-05-09 05:11 <nebadon> what happens Tank_Master is your entire inventory downloads
2015-05-09 05:11 <nebadon> until the last item , then it says Fetching XXXXX Items... for 4+ minutes
2015-05-09 05:12 <nebadon> ok sounds good
2015-05-09 05:12 <Tank_Master> sounds like its not knowing its getting to the end of the list perhaps
2015-05-09 05:12 <Tank_Master> btw, we have moved to new compilers today
2015-05-09 05:13 <nebadon> nice
2015-05-09 05:13 <Tank_Master> so youll need VS2013 for windows and xcode 6.2 (i think) for mac
2015-05-09 05:13 <nebadon> and congrats on Intel job
2015-05-09 05:13 <Tank_Master> thx
2015-05-09 05:13 <nebadon> what are you doing for Intel?
2015-05-09 05:13 <Tank_Master> im working inside one of the factories
2015-05-09 05:13 <nebadon> ah cool
2015-05-09 05:13 <Tank_Master> D1C
2015-05-09 05:13 <nebadon> cpu plant?
2015-05-09 05:13 <Tank_Master> and chipsets
2015-05-09 05:13 <nebadon> nice
2015-05-09 05:14 <Tank_Master> we are doing a crapload of chery trail atm
2015-05-09 05:14 <Tank_Master> latest ATOM
2015-05-09 05:14 <nebadon> if you need some testers feel free to send me a giant box of cpus :P
2015-05-09 05:14 <Tank_Master> lol
2015-05-09 05:14 <Tank_Master> anywho, gn
2015-05-09 05:14 <nebadon> g'night thanks
2015-05-09 05:18 <diva> so neb
2015-05-09 05:19 <diva> how long does it take to download your link-happy inventory now?
2015-05-09 05:19 <nebadon> 1:34
2015-05-09 05:19 <diva> lol
2015-05-09 05:19 <diva> and it took, what... 3 hours?
2015-05-09 05:19 <nebadon> 48,051 items
2015-05-09 05:19 <nebadon> ya
2015-05-09 05:19 <nebadon> it never even finished at 3 hours
2015-05-09 05:20 <nebadon> it was like 95% done
2015-05-09 05:20 <diva> ok, I call this a win.
2015-05-09 05:20 <nebadon> thats about 3000 links
2015-05-09 05:20 <nebadon> yea id say
2015-05-09 05:20 <nebadon> its a big win too
2015-05-09 05:21 <nebadon> went far beyond just fixing a bug
2015-05-09 05:21 <nebadon> its huge performance boost as well
2015-05-09 05:22 <diva> this was a case where the bug was the inefficiency
2015-05-09 05:22 <nebadon> ya
2015-05-09 05:22 <nebadon> xengine needs the same kind of lovin
2015-05-09 05:22 <diva> heh
2015-05-09 05:23 <nebadon> well or scripting in general
2015-05-09 05:23 <nebadon> maybe xengine isnt the answer
2015-05-09 05:23 <nebadon> id hate to see LSL abandoned though
2015-05-09 05:24 <diva> "I'd hate to leavethe dungeon where I've been stuck for the past 8 years"
2015-05-09 05:24 <diva> :)
2015-05-09 05:25 <nebadon> heh well its alot of work there
2015-05-09 05:25 <nebadon> recreating all of that content is a big mountain
2015-05-09 05:25 <nebadon> im not saying we shouldnt go with something new 
2015-05-09 05:26 <nebadon> just that would be nice to see LSL peform better
2015-05-09 05:26 <nebadon> since it will continue to be used no matter what we do
2015-05-09 05:27 <nebadon> its hard for me to really formulate the amount of work though
2015-05-09 05:27 <nebadon> not knowing anything about Lua or whatever that other one was
2015-05-09 05:28 <dahlia> the api and the script engine are 2 different things
2015-05-09 05:28 <danbanner> so lsl would still work?
2015-05-09 05:28 <dahlia> xengine does pretty well considering it's not preemptive
2015-05-09 05:29 <dahlia> the api could still work
2015-05-09 05:30 <dahlia> I wonder if c# has something equivilent to setjmp/longjmp
2015-05-09 05:30 <diva> what for?
2015-05-09 05:30 <dahlia> that could be used to implement preemptive multitasking
2015-05-09 05:30 <diva> it has coroutines
2015-05-09 05:31 <dahlia> ya but coroutines arent preemptive
2015-05-09 05:31 <danbanner> there might be an issue with built in AO in firestrom now
2015-05-09 05:31 <diva> not unless you generate CIL
2015-05-09 05:31 <dahlia> but I guess if the yield injection thing could be made to work
2015-05-09 05:31 <danbanner> its not loading the anims 
2015-05-09 05:31 <danbanner> which are links 
2015-05-09 05:32 <nebadon> can you test that on a non-updated region?
2015-05-09 05:32 <danbanner> got the AO working and it breaks after a relog
2015-05-09 05:32 <danbanner> okay let me go find one
2015-05-09 05:32 <danbanner> sec
2015-05-09 05:32 <nebadon> thanks
2015-05-09 05:33 <nebadon> LL uses mono for their script engine right?
2015-05-09 05:33 <dahlia> modified mono
2015-05-09 05:33 <nebadon> so i mean theoreticlly it should be possible to get their level of performance
2015-05-09 05:33 <nebadon> oh
2015-05-09 05:33 <dahlia> well they had a phd cs working on it for a few years
2015-05-09 05:34 <dahlia> babbage
2015-05-09 05:34 <dahlia> and whoever was helping him
2015-05-09 05:34 <nebadon> mono is GPL does that mean LL has to share that code?
2015-05-09 05:35 <dahlia> mono isnt gpl
2015-05-09 05:35 <nebadon> hmm thought it was
2015-05-09 05:35 <dahlia> and you only need to share source if you distribute binaries, unless it's AGPL
2015-05-09 05:35 <nebadon> ah ok
2015-05-09 05:36 <nebadon> ah ya its LGPL
2015-05-09 05:36 <dahlia> I've heard they preprocess the IL to insert yields
2015-05-09 05:36 <dahlia> is it LGPL? I thought it was more liberal
2015-05-09 05:37 <nebadon> LGPL/GPL/X11
2015-05-09 05:37 <nebadon> and it says this 
2015-05-09 05:37 <dahlia> somehow unity gets away with not distributing source
2015-05-09 05:37 <nebadon> Mono is available to be licensed commercially if the LGPL/GPL/X11 combination is not suitable for you.
2015-05-09 05:37 <nebadon> so maybe that explains unity
2015-05-09 05:38 <dahlia> X11 is MIT isnt it?
2015-05-09 05:38 <danbanner> nebadon: AO stays working after relog to c74cef0
2015-05-09 05:38 <nebadon> The C# compiler is dual-licensed under the MIT/X11 license and the GNU General Public License (GPL).
2015-05-09 05:38 <nebadon> The tools are released under the terms of the GNU General Public License (GPL).
2015-05-09 05:38 <nebadon> The runtime libraries are under the GNU Library GPL 2.0 (LGPL 2.0).
2015-05-09 05:38 <nebadon> The class libraries are released under the terms of the MIT X11 license.
2015-05-09 05:38 <nebadon> hmm ok
2015-05-09 05:38 <nebadon> file a bug report i guess danbanner
2015-05-09 05:38 <dahlia> how about the  VM?
2015-05-09 05:39 <nebadon> doesnt say
2015-05-09 05:39 <nebadon> only other mention is APS.NET MVC
2015-05-09 05:39 <nebadon> http://www.mono-project.com/docs/faq/licensing/
2015-05-09 05:40 <dahlia> hmmm doesnt say
2015-05-09 05:41 <dahlia> maybe "embedded" might be a good search term
2015-05-09 05:41 <nebadon> If your organization intends to redistribute software which embeds or bundles Mono, but is unable to comply with the terms of GNU LGPL v2, the Ultimate Edition may be right for you.
2015-05-09 05:41 <diva> dabanner, please don't add this to that long running mantis, just open a new one
2015-05-09 05:42 <nebadon> ya sorry thats what I meant danbanner start a new one
2015-05-09 05:42 <diva> are the animation there? anything missing? etc
2015-05-09 05:42 <danbanner> ya i wasnt gonna add to that mess
2015-05-09 05:42 <nebadon> :)
2015-05-09 05:43 <diva> is there an AO in Firestorm that doesn't need things in inventory?
2015-05-09 05:43 <danbanner> the animations dont show in the AO window after setting up the AO in firestorm and relogging
2015-05-09 05:43 <nebadon> thats another thing i have very little experience with is built in AP
2015-05-09 05:43 <nebadon> AO*
2015-05-09 05:43 <diva> I don't realy know how AO works
2015-05-09 05:43 <nebadon> maybe a quick overview danbanner?
2015-05-09 05:43 <nebadon> cause im not sure in firestorm either
2015-05-09 05:43 <danbanner> well im far from expert on AOs
2015-05-09 05:44 <dahlia> from what I understand, AOs monitor animation packets and then tell the sim "start this animation" 
2015-05-09 05:44 <diva> you're much more expert than me. I have like no idea
2015-05-09 05:44 <dahlia> but you need the animation to exist in inventory
2015-05-09 05:44 <danbanner> ya the anims exist
2015-05-09 05:45 <nebadon> diva > http://wiki.phoenixviewer.com/animation_overrider
2015-05-09 05:45 <dahlia> I dont know exactly how viewer AOs work, but I did write one for a bot so I know how I did it ;)
2015-05-09 05:45 <danbanner> firestorm makes a protected folder with links to the anims it finds in the nc 
2015-05-09 05:45 <nebadon> yay for documentation
2015-05-09 05:45 <dahlia> links <.< >.>
2015-05-09 05:45 <diva> what folder?
2015-05-09 05:45 <danbanner> sec
2015-05-09 05:45 <diva> what's nc?
2015-05-09 05:46 <nebadon> notecard
2015-05-09 05:46 <nebadon> i think you have to format a notecard
2015-05-09 05:46 <nebadon> with the animations
2015-05-09 05:46 <nebadon> it shows on that link above
2015-05-09 05:46 <diva> ok, I"m too tired to even parse what all of you are saying
2015-05-09 05:47 <diva> ttyt
2015-05-09 05:47 <diva> NN
2015-05-09 05:47 <danbanner> http://danbanner.onikenkon.com/screen/Image1431150422.png
2015-05-09 05:47 <dahlia> nn
2015-05-09 05:47 <danbanner> night diva
2015-05-09 05:47 <nebadon> ya just make notes of this in the mantis
2015-05-09 05:47 <nebadon> maybe look more tomorrow
2015-05-09 05:47 <nebadon> when everyone is rested :)
2015-05-09 05:48 <nebadon> maybe we can make an IAR for her
2015-05-09 05:48 <nebadon> simiplfy testing it
2015-05-09 05:50 <nebadon> damn just realized its almost 2am lol man night flew by
2015-05-09 05:57 <osmantis> Bug #7563:04 Built in AO in viewer doesnt load animation links after relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7563 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-09 05:57 <nebadon> ok well I think I am off to dreamland myself
2015-05-09 05:58 <nebadon> danbanner maybe tomorrow we can make up an example IAR unless maybe you already have something
2015-05-09 05:58 <nebadon> I havent used AO in a long while i have an old hud one maybe i could convert
2015-05-09 05:58 <nebadon> have to dig it up
2015-05-09 05:58 <danbanner> sure i can iar my anims and notecard
2015-05-09 05:59 <nebadon> ok cool thanks
2015-05-09 05:59 <nebadon> that will help a lot
2015-05-09 05:59 <danbanner> let me do that now an attach it
2015-05-09 05:59 <nebadon> cool thanks
2015-05-09 05:59 <nebadon> ok well I am going to try to get some sleep so im not waking up at 2pm tommorow
2015-05-09 05:59 <nebadon> heh
2015-05-09 06:00 <nebadon> thanks for updating plazas and getting release out so quickly
2015-05-09 06:00 <nebadon> im excited to hear if everyone sees same level of improvement
2015-05-09 06:04 <osmantis> Bug #7563:04 Built in AO in viewer doesnt load animation links after relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7563 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 06:07 <osmantis> Bug #7563:04 Built in AO in viewer doesnt load animation links after relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7563 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 06:24 <paulieflomar_x> inventory loading hung at 4781 items fetched on Wright Plaza. Viewer=latest Singu.
2015-05-09 06:24 <paulieflomar_x> still at 4781 after 6 minutes.
2015-05-09 06:25 <paulieflomar_x> just fyi.
2015-05-09 06:25 <paulieflomar_x> loaded from cleared cache.
2015-05-09 07:37 <osmantis> Bug #7563:04 Built in AO in viewer doesnt load animation links after relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7563 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 08:44 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 14:14 <frnic> http://boingboing.net/2015/05/09/c-h-i-p-is-a-9-personal-comp.html
2015-05-09 14:14 <frnic> $9 computer on a card.
2015-05-09 14:59 <osmantis> Bug #7563:04 Built in AO in viewer doesnt load animation links after relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7563 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-05-09 15:09 <osmantis> Bug #7563:04 Built in AO in viewer doesnt load animation links after relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7563 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 15:33 <Plugh> In a recent email it mentioned the suggested var limit is 8192m x 8192m. I thought it was a lot smaller than that.
2015-05-09 15:33 <Plugh> That would be 32 regions on a side.
2015-05-09 15:35 <nebadon> yes honestly
2015-05-09 15:35 <nebadon> 1024x1024 is the suggest max
2015-05-09 15:35 <Dev_Random> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Varregion   "The dimensions must be a multiple of 256 and less than or equal to 8192."
2015-05-09 15:35 <nebadon> beyond that is a world full of dragons
2015-05-09 15:35 <Plugh> Right. The calculation showed 4 x 8.
2015-05-09 15:35 <nebadon> sure technically the simulator doesnt care
2015-05-09 15:36 <Plugh> Dev_Random: If that is what it says I think it needs changing.
2015-05-09 15:36 <nebadon> its the viewer that has the limits
2015-05-09 15:36 <nebadon> you can make a var region as large as you want and the simulator will run just fine
2015-05-09 15:36 <Dev_Random> heh.. I wasn't suggesting it was a good idea....
2015-05-09 15:36 <Ken_S> Nebadon, you recall us discussing draw distance for  theterrain last night?
2015-05-09 15:36 <nebadon> but as soon as you log in the viewer is going to do strange things
2015-05-09 15:36 <Plugh> Dev_Random: yeah
2015-05-09 15:36 <nebadon> yes Ken_S
2015-05-09 15:36 <nebadon> im not that senile just yet :P
2015-05-09 15:36 <Ken_S> It appears the draw distance for terrain was addressed by misterblue in opensim
2015-05-09 15:37 <Plugh> bbiab
2015-05-09 15:37 <Ken_S> If you look in the opensim defaults ini file under [Terrain]
2015-05-09 15:37 <Ken_S> He put a setting there to control the draw distance for terrain, but it doesnt appear to be using it.
2015-05-09 15:38 <nebadon> thats Updates Ken
2015-05-09 15:38 <nebadon> not draw
2015-05-09 15:38 <misterblue> by default, it should send the terrain patches from the viewer avatar out... to the view distance of the avatar
2015-05-09 15:38 <Ken_S> And here is a link where mister blue was discussing it.
2015-05-09 15:38 <misterblue> and it will send more patches as the avatar moves
2015-05-09 15:38 <Ken_S> http://opensimulator.org/pipermail/opensim-dev/2014-June/024867.html
2015-05-09 15:38 <nebadon> I dont think this addresses actual draw distance
2015-05-09 15:39 <nebadon> it still downloads the entire thing as soon as you log in
2015-05-09 15:39 <Ken_S> The view distance for prims is observing that limit, but not the terrain
2015-05-09 15:39 <nebadon> even if its not visible
2015-05-09 15:39 <nebadon> its still in memory
2015-05-09 15:39 <misterblue> simulator memory, yes
2015-05-09 15:39 <nebadon> yes
2015-05-09 15:39 <Ken_S> When I change the view distance in viewer, it changes the object view distance,
2015-05-09 15:39 <nebadon> Ken_S explain to misterblue what you were saying
2015-05-09 15:40 <Ken_S> but the terrain view distance is still huge.
2015-05-09 15:40 <nebadon> this is not limited to vars though
2015-05-09 15:41 <nebadon> same thing happens in 256m2 region if your view distance is 64m
2015-05-09 15:41 <Ken_S> I see in the defaults for [Terrain] it defaults to limit it to the view distance, but it draws it out much much further out
2015-05-09 15:41 <nebadon> you see much further than 64m
2015-05-09 15:41 <nebadon> problem being that large vars make the viewer consume a lot of memory
2015-05-09 15:42 <Ken_S> I set it to 24m nd the terrain still draws out almost as far as the viewer can see on a large var
2015-05-09 15:42 <nebadon> but doesnt the viewer keep the entire terrain in memory
2015-05-09 15:42 <nebadon> even if its not visible
2015-05-09 15:42 <nebadon> im not sure that would address this problem Ken_S
2015-05-09 15:42 <nebadon> honestly
2015-05-09 15:42 <nebadon> it might help with GPU memory
2015-05-09 15:42 <nebadon> but not system memory
2015-05-09 15:43 <Ken_S> I guess even if the terrain draw distance was working, the huge amount of terrain in memory would be an issue if it really does this.
2015-05-09 15:43 <nebadon> right thats what I am thinking
2015-05-09 15:43 <nebadon> it would only help with GPU memory
2015-05-09 15:43 <Ken_S> I think this may be why I can tp back and forth between 2 large vars quickly with no issues, but
2015-05-09 15:44 <nebadon> I doubt it
2015-05-09 15:44 <nebadon> danbanner did a test
2015-05-09 15:44 <Ken_S> if I stay on the var very long (and all the terrains loads and shows), there is a huge long freeze when I TP out
2015-05-09 15:44 <nebadon> with a 4096m2
2015-05-09 15:44 <misterblue> there is a minimum 'region' view distance.... terrain will always go out that far... it defaults to 256
2015-05-09 15:44 <nebadon> if we load wright plaza oar into a 4096 region
2015-05-09 15:44 <nebadon> you can teleport into it
2015-05-09 15:44 <Ken_S> Its drawing it out MUCH further than that for sure
2015-05-09 15:44 <nebadon> if you erase all the content in the region you can
2015-05-09 15:44 <nebadon> this to me says its not terrain that is the problem
2015-05-09 15:44 <nebadon> but some kind of timing issue
2015-05-09 15:45 <nebadon> when a lot of content is present in large vars
2015-05-09 15:45 <misterblue> maybe something is broke then... I can  test...
2015-05-09 15:45 <Ken_S> Yes its not content, its something else
2015-05-09 15:45 <nebadon> for us it was
2015-05-09 15:45 <nebadon> deleting the content made the problem go away
2015-05-09 15:46 <Ken_S> Maybe its combination of both consuming memory
2015-05-09 15:46 <nebadon> Wright Plaza is pretty nasty though
2015-05-09 15:46 <nebadon> how can it be
2015-05-09 15:46 <nebadon> you cant even teleport in
2015-05-09 15:46 <nebadon> nothing ever gets loaded
2015-05-09 15:46 <nebadon> so cant be memory
2015-05-09 15:46 <nebadon> its timing 
2015-05-09 15:46 <Ken_S> But with a large empty var, the issues remain
2015-05-09 15:46 <misterblue> that would be odd... the terrain and object code is pretty separate
2015-05-09 15:46 <nebadon> it didnt for us though
2015-05-09 15:46 <nebadon> ours is the super extreme test case
2015-05-09 15:47 <nebadon> Wright plaza with 4096m2
2015-05-09 15:47 <nebadon> Wright Plaza has 4000+ textures
2015-05-09 15:47 <nebadon> 26000 prims
2015-05-09 15:47 <nebadon> 2000+ scripts
2015-05-09 15:47 <misterblue> so, you're saying that, with a very large var, if there are objects in the region, the terrain is sent and rendered out farther than the avatars view distance?
2015-05-09 15:47 <Ken_S> I was hoping to use SendTerrainUpdatesByViewDistance = true, but
2015-05-09 15:47 <nebadon> no im saying you cant teleport in at all
2015-05-09 15:47 <nebadon> Ken_S is saying that he has trouble teleporting between large vars
2015-05-09 15:47 <Ken_S> it is already defaulted to that, but not observing that setting
2015-05-09 15:47 <misterblue> ah.... that problem
2015-05-09 15:47 <nebadon> and he thinks the draw distance is a factor
2015-05-09 15:47 <nebadon> im saying its not
2015-05-09 15:48 <misterblue> something is timing out.... it does seem to be size and bandwidth dependent
2015-05-09 15:48 <nebadon> because draw distance only effects GPU memory
2015-05-09 15:48 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 15:48 <Ken_S> The reason I suspect that is because I can tp in and out quickly (before all the terrain draws) and all if fine with TPs
2015-05-09 15:48 <nebadon> not system memory
2015-05-09 15:48 <misterblue> I haven't been able to duplicate it with a local network connection
2015-05-09 15:49 <misterblue> maybe I don't have enough content of t he right type ??
2015-05-09 15:49 <nebadon> ya I havent been able to on Encitra grid either
2015-05-09 15:49 <nebadon> but we dont go larger than 768x768
2015-05-09 15:49 <nebadon> and thats never cause any problems for us
2015-05-09 15:49 <nebadon> my servers are in Germany
2015-05-09 15:49 <Ken_S> I see this on osgrid and my private grid where Robust and Server are on same lan.
2015-05-09 15:49 <nebadon> misterblue we can send you WP oar
2015-05-09 15:49 <nebadon> if that helps
2015-05-09 15:49 <nebadon> any core dev can get a copy of that
2015-05-09 15:49 <Ken_S> It does this an every computer I have.
2015-05-09 15:50 <nebadon> Ken_S ya
2015-05-09 15:50 <misterblue> ya... I probably need something heavy in meshes and content... that would help, Nebadon
2015-05-09 15:50 <nebadon> i even experienced it on yours
2015-05-09 15:50 <Ken_S> misterblue, so why isn't the SendTerrainUpdatesByViewDistance = true setting working?
2015-05-09 15:50 <nebadon> you guys have a lot of content
2015-05-09 15:50 <nebadon> I suspect this is the factor
2015-05-09 15:50 <nebadon> ok misterblue let me dig up the oar
2015-05-09 15:50 <nebadon> danbanner you herE?
2015-05-09 15:50 <misterblue> unclear what "not working" means
2015-05-09 15:51 <Ken_S> It draws the terrain out at least 2014 no matter what you set the draw distance to in the viewer.
2015-05-09 15:51 <Ken_S> 1024
2015-05-09 15:52 <osmantis> Bug #7563:04 Built in AO in viewer doesnt load animation links after relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7563 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 15:52 <Ken_S> It is ignoring draw distance in viewer in other words, even if draw distance is set to 24m
2015-05-09 15:52 <Ken_S> Object and prims are observing the draw distance, but not terrain.
2015-05-09 15:53 <misterblue> like I said, it doesn't do anything less than the region's view distance which is at least 128
2015-05-09 15:54 <nebadon> ya ane makeing that less than 128 you may not see neighbors anymore
2015-05-09 15:55 <Ken_S> So it does use the draw distance in the viewer?
2015-05-09 15:55 <misterblue> I don't know why the region has its own view distance (it is set somewhere in the INIs) but it is relied on by some people
2015-05-09 15:55 <nebadon> that view distance is for nieghbor comms Misterblue
2015-05-09 15:55 <misterblue> a function like MAX(regionViewDistance, avatarViewDistance)
2015-05-09 15:55 <nebadon> if you make that # 1024 you will log in and see a lot of regions
2015-05-09 15:55 <nebadon> not just the immediate neighbors
2015-05-09 15:55 <Ken_S> rather... It doesnt use the Draw Distance in the viewer?
2015-05-09 15:55 <nebadon> but 3 rows beyond that
2015-05-09 15:56 <nebadon> basically a 5x5 or 6x6
2015-05-09 15:56 <misterblue> oh right... the region view distance is related to finding child regions...
2015-05-09 15:56 <nebadon> instead of just the standard 3x3
2015-05-09 15:56 <nebadon> we use this at Encitra grid as well
2015-05-09 15:57 <misterblue> it uses the viewer draw distance to limit beyond 256
2015-05-09 15:57 <nebadon> when we log in we can see huge distances without moving
2015-05-09 15:57 <nebadon> creates a lot more child connections though
2015-05-09 15:57 <nebadon> when i log into my San Jose model i can see all 15 simulators 
2015-05-09 15:57 <nebadon> which are all 768x768
2015-05-09 15:57 <nebadon> and i have no problem border crossing or teleporting
2015-05-09 15:58 <Ken_S> It doesnt make sense for the terrain draw distance to use anything other than the draw distance in the viewer.
2015-05-09 15:58 <Ken_S> So what setting has to be changed to reduce the terrain draw distance on a var?
2015-05-09 15:58 <nebadon> I dot not beleive there is a setting
2015-05-09 15:59 <nebadon> the problem is if you do that
2015-05-09 15:59 <nebadon> all your neighbors disappear
2015-05-09 15:59 <nebadon> which i think you would not want
2015-05-09 15:59 <Ken_S> So what is this setting for then: SendTerrainUpdatesByViewDistance = true
2015-05-09 15:59 <misterblue> not sure what you're requiring, Ken_S
2015-05-09 15:59 <nebadon> nice diva
2015-05-09 16:00 <Ken_S> Large vars should have no neighbors according to everything Ive been told, so not seeing the neighbors is a non-issue for me.
2015-05-09 16:00 <misterblue> the terrain limiting was added to reduce load and lag... it was not designed to limit to very small areas (less than 256)
2015-05-09 16:00 <misterblue> when turned on, it limits the terrain sent to the viewer that is outside 256m
2015-05-09 16:00 <Ken_S> If it could be limited to 256, that would be fine.
2015-05-09 16:00 <osmantis> Bug #7563:04 Built in AO in viewer doesnt load animation links after relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7563 ): has been ACKNOWLEDGED.
2015-05-09 16:01 <Ken_S> I have it turned on but it is drawing out to at least 1024
2015-05-09 16:01 <misterblue> then that is a bug
2015-05-09 16:01 <Ken_S> Its hard to judge how far out it is drawing, but its way past 256
2015-05-09 16:01 <misterblue> does it only draw out to 1024 when there are objects or does it do it in a blank region?
2015-05-09 16:02 <Ken_S> You can see way way out on the horizon a point where it stops, and
2015-05-09 16:02 <Ken_S> iof you move towards that point, it extends out drawing further.
2015-05-09 16:02 <Ken_S> So it is limiting it to some distance, but
2015-05-09 16:03 <Ken_S> its way further than 256m
2015-05-09 16:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #4171 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-09 16:09 <misterblue> k... I'll check out what's up
2015-05-09 16:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4171: SUCCESS in 9 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4171/
2015-05-09 16:09 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Fix mantis #7054: AO in Firestorm and Kokua stopped loading after new inventory code in place. Cause: # of descendants was wrong.
2015-05-09 16:09 <misterblue> why do you need to limit it to less than whatever it is doing?
2015-05-09 16:10 <Ken_S> Because Im trying to figure out a way to eliminate some of the lag using existing settings
2015-05-09 16:11 <nebadon> misterblue see IM
2015-05-09 16:11 <nebadon> for WP oar linik
2015-05-09 16:11 <nebadon> link*
2015-05-09 16:12 <nebadon> Ken_S I would honestly be surprised if settings can alleviate this problem
2015-05-09 16:13 <nebadon> what size are your vars again?
2015-05-09 16:13 <nebadon> and how much content in the regions?
2015-05-09 16:13 <Ken_S> misterblue, I think I may have figured out the issue.
2015-05-09 16:13 <misterblue> OS doesn't limit sending objects by view distance... when entering a region no matter what size, every object is sent
2015-05-09 16:14 <Ken_S> If I log in with the draw distance set really low, it does seem to limit draw distance to 256
2015-05-09 16:14 <nebadon> Ken_S yes draw distance needs to be below 128m
2015-05-09 16:14 <nebadon> by default
2015-05-09 16:14 <Ken_S> But if it is changed lower after logging in, it does reduce it.
2015-05-09 16:14 <Plugh> It is just the viewer that limits which objects you see  based on view distance?
2015-05-09 16:15 <Ken_S> *doesnt
2015-05-09 16:15 <misterblue> Plugh, yes
2015-05-09 16:15 <Ken_S> So it does appear to work on terrain, but only if you login with the setting you want, and
2015-05-09 16:15 <misterblue> SL is smarter about not sending objects outside your view but OS just sends everything in the region  when you connect
2015-05-09 16:15 <Ken_S> dont change it after logging in.
2015-05-09 16:16 <Ken_S> If I login with a low view distance, the terrain is limited to 256, and there is noticably less lag.
2015-05-09 16:16 <misterblue> I believe that Ken_S... if you log in with 2048 and immediately set it to 256, the simulator has probably already queued up the terrain for the original value
2015-05-09 16:17 <Ken_S> If I login with it set to 1024, then reduce it in viewer down to 24, the lag remains about the same and the draw distance doesnt reduce.
2015-05-09 16:17 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 16:17 <Ken_S> Yes I think that is what is happening.
2015-05-09 16:18 <Ken_S> BUT the good news is it does reduce lag when the terrain draw distance does get limited.
2015-05-09 16:20 <Ken_S> I forget... is there a simulator setting to limit draw distance that overrides the viewer setting?
2015-05-09 16:21 <misterblue> not sure
2015-05-09 16:21 <nebadon> I dont think there is
2015-05-09 16:22 <nebadon> I guess the mistake we are making is basing that choice on the Simulator draw distance for child agents
2015-05-09 16:22 <nebadon> probably not a good corelation i guess
2015-05-09 16:23 <Ken_S> I looked through the defaults file, and no setting to force a specific draw distance at login
2015-05-09 16:23 <misterblue> yes... there is confusion on draw distance use... the child computation code does need a rework 
2015-05-09 16:23 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 16:24 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 16:26 <Ken_S> If terrain, along with prims were not sent to the viewer if they are beyond draw distance, that might significantly improve performance on larger vars.
2015-05-09 16:26 <Ken_S> And reduce Viewer memory usage.
2015-05-09 16:29 <AllenKerensky> Ken_S I thought that was part of the point of SendTerrainUpdatesByViewDistance = true in the OpenSim.ini [Terrain] block for varregions
2015-05-09 16:29 <misterblue> it would for sure
2015-05-09 16:29 <misterblue> Allan: it does but there are corners
2015-05-09 16:29 <misterblue> you can log in with a large view distance and set it down but the terrain will still be sent at the original view distance (it was queued)
2015-05-09 16:30 <misterblue> and objects are not limited by view distance
2015-05-09 16:30 <misterblue> Ken_S is suggesting adding the code that SL has... only send things in the view frustrum (they don't send stuff behind the avatar until the avatar turns around)
2015-05-09 16:31 <misterblue> there is code in OS to prioritize the sending... things close by and in-front first... but that doesn't fix it still sending it all
2015-05-09 16:32 <misterblue> I need to get my run in... I'll be back in an hour or so
2015-05-09 16:34 <nebadon> kk
2015-05-09 16:34 <Ken_S> AllenKerensky, I discovered a few minutes ago the SendTerrainUpdatesByViewDistance uses the setting that was in affect when you came into the sim.
2015-05-09 16:35 <Ken_S> If you change your draw distance after arriving, the prims observe the new distance, but not the terrain.
2015-05-09 16:36 <AllenKerensky> hmmm and there may not be a viewer to sim notice to trigger a simside change on
2015-05-09 16:36 <misterblue> that's probably a viewer thing... terrain always displays but it limits the displayed objects for performance
2015-05-09 16:36 <misterblue> like ocean forever :)
2015-05-09 16:36 <Ken_S> That's why the lag remained almost the same on a large var when I changed the draw distance from 1024 down to 24 after arriving.
2015-05-09 16:37 <AllenKerensky> makes sense - there's no trigger viewer side to notify the sim that the draw distance changed OR if there is a trigger - the sim isn't currently listening for it after TP
2015-05-09 16:38 <AllenKerensky> if you break down the viewer code functions, the packets between viewer and sim, and sim code function, you will likely find some events on each side have no packets that notify the other
2015-05-09 16:38 <Ken_S> Yea, the draw distance change for objects is immediate, but the draw distance for terrain doesnt change during that login to that sim.
2015-05-09 16:39 <AllenKerensky> there might be an easy fix - if the viewer spews some form of packet notice to sim on draw distance... then a simside change to wire up the terrain change to happen based on that might be all you need
2015-05-09 16:40 <Ken_S> Apparently SL is limiting what it sends to the viewer itself, while opensim sends everything and the viewer limits what it displays.
2015-05-09 16:41 <AllenKerensky> both approaches have pros and cons
2015-05-09 16:41 <Ken_S> So the opensim approach causes the viewer to consume a lot more memory, and more changes of lag, especially on vars.
2015-05-09 16:41 <Ken_S> *chances
2015-05-09 16:42 <Ken_S> On a computer with only 4gb ram, the opensim approach on a large var oftem makes the viewer lock up the computer because of memory paging to disk.
2015-05-09 16:45 <smxy> Did anyone ever get back to the Moses guy and confirm reciept of his CLA? I hope he isn't still waiting.
2015-05-09 17:06 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 17:11 <nebadon> smxy not sure , diva was going to handle it
2015-05-09 17:11 <nebadon> it sounded like they were still testing anyway and it wasnt quite ready
2015-05-09 17:15 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 17:16 <osmantis> Bug #7556:04 Teleporting in to 4096x4096 var fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7556 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 17:17 <BlueWall> misterblue, would this patch, or parts of it help http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7493
2015-05-09 17:18 <osmantis> Bug #7564:04 Inventory download hangs temporarily or permanently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7564 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-09 17:18 <osmantis> Bug #7564:04 Inventory download hangs temporarily or permanently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7564 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007054.
2015-05-09 17:18 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007564.
2015-05-09 17:21 <JoeRadik> I've decided to try my next project with 2 - 256m regions in a single simulator.
2015-05-09 17:21 <JoeRadik> I'm uncertain about whether the regions should be adjacent or separated by some distance.
2015-05-09 17:21 <Ken_S> I run as many as 6-8 in a single simulator all the time.
2015-05-09 17:22 <Ken_S> Works fine if you have enough memory and fast enough computer and file system.
2015-05-09 17:22 <Ken_S> With normal sims, it doesnt matter if they are touching or not
2015-05-09 17:23 <Ken_S> Its a different story with var regions.
2015-05-09 17:23 <JoeRadik> I don't expect very heavy usage, but I've seen discussion about certain performance issues
2015-05-09 17:23 <JoeRadik> ok, that's good to hear.
2015-05-09 17:23 <Ken_S> I would keep it to below 5-6 to be safe.
2015-05-09 17:23 <nebadon> I can not agree with that statement on any level myself
2015-05-09 17:24 <nebadon> I think its bad idea to run more than 1 region per simulator
2015-05-09 17:24 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 17:24 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 17:24 <JoeRadik> I started this with a 1024 x 1024 region.
2015-05-09 17:24 <nebadon> as convienient as it may be there are many down sides
2015-05-09 17:24 <Ken_S> I think if you are on Linux it might not be a good idea to run more than 1
2015-05-09 17:24 <nebadon> threading, scripting, physics all get a slice of the mono/.net instance instead of the while pie
2015-05-09 17:24 <nebadon> 1 region crashes they all do
2015-05-09 17:25 <JoeRadik> yes, on linux.  Ubuntu
2015-05-09 17:25 <nebadon> windows isnt much better than linux at this point
2015-05-09 17:25 <Ken_S> I have 12+ instances with 6-7 sims in each instance on the same computer and they are work perfectly.
2015-05-09 17:25 <BlueWall> I run them like that in some cases OK
2015-05-09 17:25 <Ken_S> Its the var regions that I always have issues with.
2015-05-09 17:25 <nebadon> Ken_S yes but what happens if 20 people show up to each of them
2015-05-09 17:25 <BlueWall> depends on usage and load.
2015-05-09 17:25 <nebadon> == disaster
2015-05-09 17:26 <JoeRadik> I was thinking of moving to 2 regions for easier management of terrain and oars, etc.
2015-05-09 17:26 <nebadon> so ya making generilized statements about it works ok is dangerous if you ask me
2015-05-09 17:26 <Ken_S> I will never have more than 15-20 on all of them at the same time combined, so thats a non-issue for me.
2015-05-09 17:27 <JoeRadik> I will most likely be the only visitor to the 2 regions.  And having them crash together is not that much of a concern to me at this time.
2015-05-09 17:27 <Ken_S> If I was doing this in SL with tons of users and high volume traffic, that's a different story
2015-05-09 17:27 <BlueWall> I hardly ever have more than 2-4 in an instance, and those would be in lightly used, low content areas.
2015-05-09 17:27 <diva> I stopped having separate regions in simulators. For larger spaces, I use varregions. 
2015-05-09 17:27 <BlueWall> ++
2015-05-09 17:28 <JoeRadik> I also thought that hiving 2 regions would make it simpler to convert to 2 regions / 2 simulators vs. a single 1024 x 1024
2015-05-09 17:28 <nebadon> depends JoeRadik
2015-05-09 17:28 <BlueWall> I will only run one varregion / instance so far.
2015-05-09 17:28 <nebadon> splitting them up generates more network traffic
2015-05-09 17:28 <nebadon> and possibly more threads
2015-05-09 17:28 <Ken_S> Yea only 1 if its a var for sure.
2015-05-09 17:28 <nebadon> if your looking for performance gains
2015-05-09 17:28 <nebadon> splitting is not the solution
2015-05-09 17:29 <diva> borders are really bad in general
2015-05-09 17:29 <nebadon> especially corner crossings
2015-05-09 17:29 <BlueWall> I have decent crossing, but would be nice to drive across :)
2015-05-09 17:29 <BlueWall> ++ corners
2015-05-09 17:30 <diva> with the current state of varregions, which is really good, there is no reason to run multiple regions in a single simulator
2015-05-09 17:30 <JoeRadik> Sounds like if I decide on 2 regions / 1 simulator they should be separated by some distance.  To avoid "crosstalk" between the two.
2015-05-09 17:30 <diva> why do you want 2 regions at all? 
2015-05-09 17:31 <BlueWall> the only complaint I get with var regions is the texturing of the terrain, saying that they cannot do what they need with a var region.
2015-05-09 17:31 <diva> two projects or something?
2015-05-09 17:31 <osmantis> Bug #7563:04 Built in AO in viewer doesnt load animation links after relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7563 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007564.
2015-05-09 17:31 <osmantis> Bug #7564:04 Inventory download hangs temporarily or permanently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7564 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007563.
2015-05-09 17:32 <JoeRadik> The project involves 2 similar projects, but I would like to be able to move to 2 regions / 2 sims when resources are required and available.
2015-05-09 17:33 <JoeRadik> It's a personal grid running on "reclaimed" hardware.  Limited by memory mostly at this time.
2015-05-09 17:33 <diva> if don't need a contiguous space, then you should definitely not place the regions together
2015-05-09 17:34 <JoeRadik> I was trying to fit a contiguous space into a single 1024 var.  It didn't seem to make sense.  It needed to be larger and I didn't want to go there.
2015-05-09 17:35 <JoeRadik> Teleports between seem to make more sense with a little more flexibility.
2015-05-09 17:35 <nebadon> from my expereince a single var would use less resources and memory than having it be divided into 256 regions
2015-05-09 17:36 <nebadon> but yes going beyond 1024 has its downsides as well
2015-05-09 17:36 <nebadon> on the Encitra grid we used 768x768 cells
2015-05-09 17:36 <nebadon> and have areas as large as 15 contiguous simulators
2015-05-09 17:37 <nebadon> with draw distances that allow the entire simulation to be seen as soon as you log in
2015-05-09 17:37 <BlueWall> that is far as I have gone too 768x768.
2015-05-09 17:37 <nebadon> and it works quite well
2015-05-09 17:37 <nebadon> I have not heard anyone complain about border crossing or teleporting at all
2015-05-09 17:38 <nebadon> and our models are very heavy on prims
2015-05-09 17:38 <BlueWall> how many prims/instance do you think?
2015-05-09 17:39 <JoeRadik> What about creating oars.  How hard is it to export a sub-section of a 1024 var to use in a 256?
2015-05-09 17:39 <nebadon> one of our models
2015-05-09 17:39 <nebadon> just 1 of the regions has 55,000 prims
2015-05-09 17:39 <JoeRadik> I would not go beyond 2 256 regions in one instance.
2015-05-09 17:39 <BlueWall> and traffic?
2015-05-09 17:40 <nebadon> neighboring region has 12,000 prims
2015-05-09 17:40 <JoeRadik> I would be the traffic.  All from my local network.
2015-05-09 17:40 <nebadon> we have had maybe at most 10 people 
2015-05-09 17:40 <nebadon> but there are probably about 100 npcs
2015-05-09 17:40 <BlueWall> that is pretty good.
2015-05-09 17:40 <nebadon> as well
2015-05-09 17:40 <nebadon> and about 100 moving vehciles
2015-05-09 17:40 <nebadon> vehicles*
2015-05-09 17:40 <BlueWall> man, if we could cross vehicles
2015-05-09 17:40 <JoeRadik> Maybe a visitor or two.  That is when I would probably have to move to 2 simulators.
2015-05-09 17:41 <Ken_S> I have 3 connected 1024x1024 vars with lots of prims, and TPs are very unreliable going between vars.
2015-05-09 17:41 <nebadon> there is a fine line with vars
2015-05-09 17:42 <nebadon> 1024 is on the edge of dragontown
2015-05-09 17:42 <nebadon> expect errant fireballs :P
2015-05-09 17:42 <nebadon> ok brb going for daily bike ride
2015-05-09 17:42 <BlueWall> the sending off all that terrain/parcel data grows really fast when expanding the size.
2015-05-09 17:42 <BlueWall> see ya - have fun
2015-05-09 17:43 <Ken_S> OSGrid International is 1536x1536 and it has been holding up well with as many as 15 AVs flying planes or boating so far.
2015-05-09 17:43 <nebadon> ya Sisyphus is 1536
2015-05-09 17:43 <osmantis> Bug #7563:04 Built in AO in viewer doesnt load animation links after relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7563 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 17:43 <nebadon> of your going to exceed 768
2015-05-09 17:43 <nebadon> i would suggest having 0 neighbors
2015-05-09 17:44 <Ken_S> 1536x1536 with NO neighbors seems to be the max limit for my hardware without it getting bad.
2015-05-09 17:44 <Ken_S> Event then, the TPs out of that var are unreliable.
2015-05-09 17:44 <Ken_S> *Even
2015-05-09 17:49 <danbanner> i didnt have any trouble teleporting out of the 4096 var
2015-05-09 17:49 <danbanner> it was just teleporting in that was impossible
2015-05-09 17:49 <danbanner> with 32k prims
2015-05-09 17:52 <smxy> diva: Did you get back to the guy from Moses about his CLA?
2015-05-09 17:55 <JoeRadik> My project will have what I think is low traffic and relatively few prims compared to most. If I use 2 simulators, 2 regions or a single simulator, or a var region on simgle simulator, I don't think think my requirements will change there.
2015-05-09 17:56 <JoeRadik> Just a lot of empty and unused terrain.  
2015-05-09 17:57 <JoeRadik> Will that terrain have much of an effect on sim preformance?  Or, maybe just viewer performance?
2015-05-09 17:57 <JoeRadik> Keeping it 1024 x 1024 or less.
2015-05-09 18:00 <misterblue> my experience is "it depends on the load"... if you're going to have > 3 people on regions, having muliple regions on a simulator is fine. If you are holding dance parties or OSGrid freebie regions, one region per simulator is best
2015-05-09 18:00 <misterblue> my experience is "it depends on the load"... if you're going to have > 3 people on regions, having muliple regions on a simulator is fine. If you are holding dance parties or OSGrid freebie regions, one region per simulator is best
2015-05-09 18:00 <misterblue> if you hold dance parties, stick with one-to-one
2015-05-09 18:01 <misterblue> 
ACTION apologizes for the multiple entries

2015-05-09 18:01 <nebadon> no problem jimmy-two-times :P
2015-05-09 18:01 <misterblue> and that ">" should be "<"
2015-05-09 18:01 <JoeRadik> No dance parties and no appoligies necessary.
2015-05-09 18:01 <misterblue> sheesh... fingers are asleep or something
2015-05-09 18:02 <JoeRadik> I think I'm going to give vars another try.
2015-05-09 18:03 <JoeRadik> I've looked at my current configs and I was trying to fit my project on a 512 x 512.  I found some room to grow. :^)
2015-05-09 18:03 <nebadon> if you want you can visit Sisyphus on OSgrid
2015-05-09 18:03 <nebadon> see how it feels
2015-05-09 18:03 <nebadon> its a 1536x1536
2015-05-09 18:03 <frnic> I guess we are not going to get vehicle crossing any longer - at one point a long time ago Melanie was going to port her code back in and then got sick, I guess things just diverged too far? If we could get smooth crossings with ve\hicles, then region size becomes a none issue.
2015-05-09 18:03 <nebadon> only about 5000 prims so far
2015-05-09 18:03 <nebadon> but there is a good amount of mesh
2015-05-09 18:03 <nebadon> so # of prims isnt necessarily a good gauge either
2015-05-09 18:04 <JoeRadik> I would like to thank everybody for the help and advice.
2015-05-09 18:04 <misterblue> good luck, Joe
2015-05-09 18:05 <misterblue> crossings are a big problem... I have some ideas but haven't jumped in
2015-05-09 18:06 <frnic> I assume it is extremely hard, or it would have been done.
2015-05-09 18:06 <nebadon> Melanies code turned out to be very difficult to get into core
2015-05-09 18:06 <misterblue> crossing is also a never ending thing... what about region skirts. what about HG regions. what about "it doesn't work on my grid" when it works on others...
2015-05-09 18:07 <frnic> yup.
2015-05-09 18:07 <nebadon> and honestly, even in SL border crossings are not great with vehicles
2015-05-09 18:07 <BlueWall> I think HG regions should have voids between them, but I may be wrong.
2015-05-09 18:07 <frnic> Well, and if you are going to dream big and try to fix crossings, why not try for bumpless transfers, like cell towers...
2015-05-09 18:08 <nebadon> its unsafe frnic
2015-05-09 18:08 <nebadon> it means passing binaries between simulators
2015-05-09 18:08 <nebadon> thats how SL does it
2015-05-09 18:08 <BlueWall> I have wondered if the source region could control the avatar into the destination region until the pass-off can happen?
2015-05-09 18:08 <nebadon> means trusting everyone
2015-05-09 18:08 <frnic> or predictive crossing, meaning the potential destination begins preparing for the crossing early, and throws away work if it doesn’t happen.
2015-05-09 18:09 <frnic> no, I don’t think passing binaries is good. Although for closed grids it might be acceptable.
2015-05-09 18:09 <BlueWall> hmmm, that would be an issue in open grids, but shouldn't stop an implementation for single-admin grids.
2015-05-09 18:09 <frnic> yes
2015-05-09 18:09 <nebadon> right we can already do that
2015-05-09 18:09 <nebadon> the only thing missing really is physics
2015-05-09 18:09 <frnic> not bumpless
2015-05-09 18:09 <nebadon> which I beleive gets passed as a prim property
2015-05-09 18:09 <nebadon> but is not implemented in core
2015-05-09 18:10 <nebadon> like velocity and such
2015-05-09 18:10 <nebadon> its not passed in the border crossing
2015-05-09 18:10 <misterblue> the current model is called "fat pack"... when something crosses, we serialize everything (SOG, SOP, scripts, ...) and send them to the new region
2015-05-09 18:10 <frnic> source and destination would have to agree on sync ahead of actual transfver of responsibility.
2015-05-09 18:10 <BlueWall> Long ago I had a prim that would travel across regions to reach a destination but that stopped working.
2015-05-09 18:10 <misterblue> one thing missing from that pack is the vehicle parameters
2015-05-09 18:10 <BlueWall> I haven't tested it in a long time.
2015-05-09 18:11 <misterblue> there are pros and cons to that architecture... con mostly being speed, pro mostly being 'works between everything'
2015-05-09 18:12 <BlueWall> probably a strategy that sends static information first, then dynamic following would be good to place them properly?
2015-05-09 18:13 <frnic> Dividing information between static and dynamic would have wonderful possiblities for performance enhancements. 
2015-05-09 18:13 <frnic> Imagine if the client could cache everythign tagged as static content and only occassionally check for updates!
2015-05-09 18:14 <frnic> Then the dynamic content is constantly updated.
2015-05-09 18:14 <BlueWall> static being textures, 12K prim boots and hats, etc. hehe
2015-05-09 18:14 <frnic> * only dynamic
2015-05-09 18:15 <frnic> anything the creator wants to set the static bit in the client build editor. Most houses never change once finished, but are treated as dynamic for ever.
2015-05-09 18:16 <misterblue> also sending pointers rather than the thing (send the assetID of the mesh rather than the mesh)
2015-05-09 18:16 <BlueWall> no, I'm talking about things in the linkset, avatars as far as build. Dynamic being speed, direction location
2015-05-09 18:17 <BlueWall> ahhh, good idea
2015-05-09 18:17 <frnic> I would venture that most content is actually static, meaning doesn’t change size or shape (changing location should not be a problem.
2015-05-09 18:17 <frnic> or texture
2015-05-09 18:18 <BlueWall> send pointers, destination fetches assets, destination signals source, source sends dynamic info, destination sets location, speed, direction, done
2015-05-09 18:20 <BlueWall> I rememer in SL, after crossing and even teleports, you had to re attach everything because it would be on your butt
2015-05-09 18:20 <frnic> yup. local HF is cheap today, terabytes for $100 or less, so let the local client store all the static content - much like single player games do, and only process the dynamic content - things that change, otherwise, if I have been to a region that is 99% static, I should never have to load anything except that 1% and only load the 1% when it has in fact changed since the last time I was there.
2015-05-09 18:20 <frnic> HF->HD
2015-05-09 18:21 <frnic> loading regions would/should be almost instantaeous
2015-05-09 18:22 <BlueWall> 
ACTION needs to get some food

2015-05-09 18:22 <frnic> Bring enough to share… :)
2015-05-09 18:22 <misterblue> all true.... SMOP (simple matter of programming)
2015-05-09 18:23 <frnic> :)
2015-05-09 18:23 <frnic> well, give me a couple million dollars, a team of a couple dozen top programmers, and we can turn it out in a year or two :)
2015-05-09 18:25 <frnic> As much as I complain and moan about OS I am completely amazed as the amount of work that has gone into it, and how well it works. I just am never satified and feel you never get anything if you don’t ask… 
2015-05-09 18:43 <osmantis> Bug #7563:04 Built in AO in viewer doesnt load animation links after relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7563 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-09 18:44 <osmantis> Bug #7563:04 Built in AO in viewer doesnt load animation links after relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7563 ): has been CLOSED
2015-05-09 18:47 <zadark> Any dotnet specialists? http://forums.dotnetfoundation.org/t/electing-the-next-advisory-council-nominations-and-voting/1065
2015-05-09 18:59 <paulieflomar_x> Yaay! My inventory loaded (from cleared cache) in under 2 minutes on Wright Plaza! :)
2015-05-09 19:00 <paulieflomar_x> And my Internet connection SUX. :)
2015-05-09 19:17 <nebadon> cool paulieflomar_x
2015-05-09 19:26 <misterblue> a step in the right direction :)
2015-05-09 19:34 <osmantis> Bug #7565:04 'terrain modify' is not constrained to current Region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7565 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-09 19:35 <nebadon> heh Dev_Random oops
2015-05-09 19:35 <nebadon> your patching?
2015-05-09 19:35 <Dev_Random> yeah
2015-05-09 19:35 <nebadon> cool
2015-05-09 19:36 <nebadon> i'll push as soon as you do
2015-05-09 19:36 <Dev_Random> I generally only test with a single standalone to start... forgot about that "cycle through all regions" thing
2015-05-09 19:36 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-09 19:36 <nebadon> same here i dont run multiple regions per sim either
2015-05-09 19:39 <osmantis> Bug #7565:04 'terrain modify' is not constrained to current Region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7565 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-05-09 19:42 <nebadon> Dev_Random
2015-05-09 19:42 <nebadon> you need to get better with the whitespace stuff
2015-05-09 19:42 <nebadon> look at your patch all the - + of nothing
2015-05-09 19:43 <nebadon> not sure why its doing that
2015-05-09 19:43 <nebadon> ive fixed the last few after commiting it
2015-05-09 19:43 <BlueWall> >:/
2015-05-09 19:43 <nebadon> I dont know the best solution
2015-05-09 19:44 <nebadon> maybe its just the editor you use
2015-05-09 19:44 <nebadon> let me see if this one actually warns me
2015-05-09 19:46 <Dev_Random> I noticed that on the other... I manually checked this patch, and it shows removal of whitespace with all those +/- lines.
2015-05-09 19:46 <nebadon> ya the one that worries me is around line 78
2015-05-09 19:46 <nebadon> i suspect that one is going to complain
2015-05-09 19:46 <nebadon> im about to see
2015-05-09 19:46 <nebadon> its not been horrible
2015-05-09 19:47 <nebadon> just not sure what the best solution is either
2015-05-09 19:47 <nebadon> heh
2015-05-09 19:47 <nebadon> ya this time no complaints figures
2015-05-09 19:47 <nebadon> ah well
2015-05-09 19:47 <Dev_Random> using monodevelop... ran Edit/Format/Remove Trailing Whitespace... shows no change to file
2015-05-09 19:48 <nebadon> ya
2015-05-09 19:48 <nebadon> ok only reason i even said it this time was because of last times i had forgotten to mention it
2015-05-09 19:48 <nebadon> and it just popped into my head
2015-05-09 19:48 <Dev_Random> I saw you commit the fix.
2015-05-09 19:48 <nebadon> this time looks clear, thanks
2015-05-09 19:48 <Dev_Random> slapped myself
2015-05-09 19:48 <nebadon> haha ya
2015-05-09 19:48 <nebadon> it was only 1 line so it didnt seem worth bothering you
2015-05-09 19:48 <nebadon> and the one before i think it was 2 lines
2015-05-09 19:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #4172 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-09 19:49 <nebadon> thanks man good stuff
2015-05-09 19:49 <BlueWall> ++
2015-05-09 19:50 <Dev_Random> fun to play with too.. makes a nice 768x768 atoll in 5 commands
2015-05-09 19:50 <diva> paulieflomar: how did it usually take to download your inventory?
2015-05-09 19:50 <nebadon> diva paulieflomar has a very bizzare internet setup
2015-05-09 19:50 <nebadon> he has dual 128k dsl lines
2015-05-09 19:50 <nebadon> and this wierd router / switch that combines them into 1 line
2015-05-09 19:51 <nebadon> its always been problematic
2015-05-09 19:51 <nebadon> so if it works for him thats pretty darn good
2015-05-09 19:51 <osmantis> Bug #7564:04 Inventory download hangs temporarily or permanently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7564 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 19:51 <nebadon> he has always had appearance issues and stuff
2015-05-09 19:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4172: SUCCESS in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4172/
2015-05-09 19:53 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: Constrain 'terrain modify' to selected Region
2015-05-09 19:56 <osmantis> Bug #7564:04 Inventory download hangs temporarily or permanently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7564 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 20:05 <osmantis> Bug #7564:04 Inventory download hangs temporarily or permanently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7564 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 20:17 <osmantis> Bug #7564:04 Inventory download hangs temporarily or permanently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7564 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 20:18 <diva> oh man. I think I'm just going to stick to testing things with nebadon
2015-05-09 20:18 <diva> people add so much noise, it's a waste of my time
2015-05-09 20:19 <dahlia> lol
2015-05-09 20:19 <Plugh> :)
2015-05-09 20:19 <dahlia> "Damn users :P"
2015-05-09 20:21 <BlueWall> diva, you should show up at office hours sometimes :)
2015-05-09 20:21 <diva> I'll leave that hard work for others... :)
2015-05-09 20:21 <osmantis> Bug #7564:04 Inventory download hangs temporarily or permanently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7564 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-09 20:24 <dahlia> I once wrote a program that berated the user whenever it encountered an error. Unfortunately one time a user took it seriously and escalated it to upper management :(
2015-05-09 20:24 <BlueWall> I would like to make some organized effort at debugging. Been thinking about it a little, but it would be helpful to have a team and some structured guidelines to hone in on replicatible recipes for bougs and to focus on one.
2015-05-09 20:24 <BlueWall> ahaha Dahlia
2015-05-09 20:25 <diva> dahlia did you call the user by their actual name? "Hey, Steve, you're just stupid"
2015-05-09 20:25 <diva> BlueWall: Me too
2015-05-09 20:25 <dahlia> haha probably could have
2015-05-09 20:25 <dahlia> not sure it knew 
2015-05-09 20:25 <BlueWall> Once I worked until early morning hours fixing a communications setup (that worked perfectly before) and when I wrapped it up, I changed the error sound on the workstation to the littke girl in Forrest Gump - "Are you stupid or something".
2015-05-09 20:26 <BlueWall> We might think about a procedure to checkout areas of OpenSim and publish it.
2015-05-09 20:26 <dahlia> lol
2015-05-09 20:27 <BlueWall> Then a volunteer goes - step one, do procedure - pass/fail, notes.
2015-05-09 20:27 <diva> what do you mean publish it, BlueWall?
2015-05-09 20:27 <BlueWall> like forms
2015-05-09 20:27 <BlueWall> I helped do a project like that at NCT
2015-05-09 20:27 <BlueWall> NCR
2015-05-09 20:28 <diva> hmm, I"m thinking about something completely different...
2015-05-09 20:28 <BlueWall> I had the idea and did the hardware/facilities and another wrote the framework to present the forms and colletc data
2015-05-09 20:28 <diva> somthing that I can actually do here on my development environment
2015-05-09 20:28 <BlueWall> that was before web days
2015-05-09 20:28 <BlueWall> Automated/local is good :)
2015-05-09 20:28 <diva> yeah.
2015-05-09 20:29 <BlueWall> That is what I worked on while the rest of the manual system was being worked out.
2015-05-09 20:29 <BlueWall> We cold use both I guess.
2015-05-09 20:29 <smxy> Did anyone get back to the Moses guy?
2015-05-09 20:29 <diva> unit tests don't really cut it. We need a distributed testing framework
2015-05-09 20:29 <BlueWall> yes, buttons must be pressed
2015-05-09 20:29 <BlueWall> lol
2015-05-09 20:29 <BlueWall> you are using pcampbot?
2015-05-09 20:29 <diva> yes, now I am
2015-05-09 20:30 <BlueWall> it is working well?
2015-05-09 20:30 <dahlia> that program I mentioned earlier had other issues... it was a data collection system for evaluating project manager effectiveness and it earned me a few enemies 
2015-05-09 20:30 <diva> fr this inventory overhaul that was a major plus
2015-05-09 20:30 <dahlia> also a few powerful friends :)
2015-05-09 20:30 <diva> BlueWall yes
2015-05-09 20:30 <BlueWall> haha, Dahlia. 
2015-05-09 20:30 <diva> it doe the job of scripting client-side behavior in a completely controlled manner
2015-05-09 20:31 <BlueWall> I have thought about libomv bots.
2015-05-09 20:31 <diva> this is a good beginning, but no I want to automate everything else I do when I'm testing these scenarios
2015-05-09 20:31 <BlueWall> would that be any advantage over the pcampbots?
2015-05-09 20:31 <diva> cos it's rtoo slow as it is
2015-05-09 20:31 <diva> pcampbot is libomv
2015-05-09 20:31 <dahlia> radegast is scriptable also
2015-05-09 20:31 <dahlia> in c#
2015-05-09 20:32 <diva> dahlia I hate graphical clients for testing
2015-05-09 20:32 <dahlia> while its running
2015-05-09 20:32 <BlueWall> ok, so it is an embedded "TestClient"
2015-05-09 20:32 <diva> like, iwht a passion
2015-05-09 20:32 <diva> BlueWall it's a TestClient
2015-05-09 20:32 <diva> just called pcampbit
2015-05-09 20:32 <diva> it's not server side bots, it's client side
2015-05-09 20:32 <dahlia> I use testclient and make plugin dlls
2015-05-09 20:32 <BlueWall> that is the libomv program that implements the framework.
2015-05-09 20:32 <BlueWall> I will have a look at it asap - sounds great
2015-05-09 20:33 <diva> I used both TestClient and pcampbot, and there isn't much difference. pcampbot is even more barebones
2015-05-09 20:33 <BlueWall> ok, cool
2015-05-09 20:33 <diva> which is good for controlled scenarios
2015-05-09 20:34 <BlueWall> they can teleport also?
2015-05-09 20:34 <dahlia> ya I just use testclient because I have a bunch of stuff built on it in plugin dlls
2015-05-09 20:34 <diva> I have a crazy idea for testing systems like opensim
2015-05-09 20:34 <dahlia> and porting all that would be a pain
2015-05-09 20:34 <diva> ...
2015-05-09 20:34 <diva> it will take some time to implement
2015-05-09 20:35 <diva> it involves rewriting bytecodes
2015-05-09 20:35 <BlueWall> wow
2015-05-09 20:35 <diva> cos I'm sick and tired of changing the source code just to test stuff
2015-05-09 20:35 <dahlia> rewriting bytecodes in what?
2015-05-09 20:35 <BlueWall> dahlia, I rememeber some plugin you made for xmpp?
2015-05-09 20:35 <diva> in MSCIL. The OPenSim dlls
2015-05-09 20:36 <dahlia> BlueWall: that was a gridproxy plugin, not testclient
2015-05-09 20:36 <BlueWall> ahhh, ok
2015-05-09 20:36 <diva> and then deploying the rewritten ones automatically to my test grid
2015-05-09 20:36 <dahlia> why?
2015-05-09 20:36 <diva> because I'm sick and tired of doing that manually
2015-05-09 20:36 <diva> waste of time
2015-05-09 20:36 <dahlia> I dont understand why you need to do it
2015-05-09 20:37 <BlueWall> is that something we could use ifdef things in the code to create scaffolding?
2015-05-09 20:37 <BlueWall> also
2015-05-09 20:37 <BlueWall> I have seen talk about yields, etc...
2015-05-09 20:38 <dahlia> yield injection
2015-05-09 20:38 <dahlia> for scripts
2015-05-09 20:38 <dahlia> but could do that in the compiler
2015-05-09 20:38 <diva> I want to be able to say " On that dll that's going to run on the robust server, that method, remove all exception handlers so that my test code can see what's going on" and "before that method add a sleep to simulate latency" etc.
2015-05-09 20:38 <BlueWall> would it be to our advantage to go on to toolset 4.5 to take advantage of the async things that are available in that.
2015-05-09 20:38 <BlueWall> await, etc.
2015-05-09 20:39 <diva> the amount of source code rewriting I do when testing is substantial
2015-05-09 20:39 <dahlia> diva: but but but... couldnt do that with #if in the source?
2015-05-09 20:39 <diva> I want that to be declarative and automatic rather than me doing it throughout the default workflow of writing code
2015-05-09 20:39 <diva> I don't want to litter the code
2015-05-09 20:39 <BlueWall> I think Debain has bee the slow horse on mono versions, but now that Xamarin is dropping packages for all major distros, it doesn't make much sense to wait on them to upgrade.
2015-05-09 20:39 <diva> these are tests for all sorts of purposes
2015-05-09 20:40 <diva> and some of these tests could be permanent, in the sense that unit tests are permanent
2015-05-09 20:40 <dahlia> sounds painful lol
2015-05-09 20:40 <dahlia> but I guess if you do it already
2015-05-09 20:40 <BlueWall> I am running Xamarin packages on Debain 7 with really good results.
2015-05-09 20:40 <diva> compared to what I actually do, that solution feels really great
2015-05-09 20:41 <dahlia> I'd think there are probably some unix programs that can do binary stream editing, like a binary "sed"
2015-05-09 20:41 <diva> testing software rgart runs in 1 process is one thing; testing distributed software is another thing altogether
2015-05-09 20:42 <AllenKerensky> would be nice to get some fuzzer frameworks in too - to harness and test functions against tons of mangled/random inputs as well
2015-05-09 20:42 <diva> oh rewriting CIL is not that big of a deal
2015-05-09 20:42 <diva> it's just a matter of me finding a couple of weeks without distractions
2015-05-09 20:42 <nebadon> 
ACTION goes on amazon.com and orders a few weeks for diva, priority delivery :P

2015-05-09 20:42 <diva> heh
2015-05-09 20:43 <AllenKerensky> 
ACTION is picturing the core devs with patreon accounts...

2015-05-09 20:43 <diva> AllenKerensky: yes
2015-05-09 20:43 <dahlia> personally I like to see what the code is doing when I look at the source. Modifying it after compilation takes that away
2015-05-09 20:43 <dahlia> but, matter of taste I guess
2015-05-09 20:43 <diva> joining a fuzzer with s decent distributed testing ramework would be a breaktheough
2015-05-09 20:44 <BlueWall> 16:38 < dahlia> but could do that in the compiler --- https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh191443.aspx
2015-05-09 20:44 <diva> you can see it in your declarations
2015-05-09 20:44 <diva> I have it all figured out :) I just need time!
2015-05-09 20:44 <BlueWall> :)
2015-05-09 20:44 <diva> this ties back to my old work on AOP
2015-05-09 20:45 <diva> we did source code rewriting, but bytecode rewriting seems even easier
2015-05-09 20:45 <Plugh> nebadon: I think spare weeks from Amazon are currently on back order. ;)
2015-05-09 20:45 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-09 20:45 <diva> anyway.. wishful thinking for now!
2015-05-09 20:45 <diva> so back to the old manual grind... currently fiding all the places in the code where GetItem is being called in a loop
2015-05-09 20:45 <BlueWall> nebadon, I have been running irc on the bpi router all week.
2015-05-09 20:46 <BlueWall> It's about time to move it into place.
2015-05-09 20:46 <nebadon> nice
2015-05-09 20:46 <nebadon> new ubuntu just came out for pi
2015-05-09 20:46 <BlueWall> I'm a little dissapointed in the wireless signal strength
2015-05-09 20:46 <BlueWall> Well, more than a little.
2015-05-09 20:46 <nebadon> https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/
2015-05-09 20:46 <nebadon> oh hmm that sucks
2015-05-09 20:47 <BlueWall> but, it will run on 4 watts :)
2015-05-09 20:47 <nebadon> maybe need a better antenna?
2015-05-09 20:47 <BlueWall> maybe, I will check it out.
2015-05-09 20:47 <BlueWall> SATA still no-go.
2015-05-09 20:47 <nebadon> hmm ya you know i was thinking
2015-05-09 20:47 <nebadon> thats probably designed for SSD
2015-05-09 20:47 <BlueWall> but, I still have most of the 32G left :)
2015-05-09 20:47 <nebadon> not spinning platters
2015-05-09 20:47 <BlueWall> ohhh
2015-05-09 20:47 <nebadon> is my guess
2015-05-09 20:47 <BlueWall> might be right
2015-05-09 20:47 <BlueWall> I'll jsut use the chop
2015-05-09 20:47 <BlueWall> chip
2015-05-09 20:47 <nebadon> ya
2015-05-09 20:48 <nebadon> for a router thats plenty fast enough
2015-05-09 20:48 <BlueWall> plenty of space
2015-05-09 20:48 <BlueWall> it's a grade 10
2015-05-09 20:48 <nebadon> even high end routers use flash storage
2015-05-09 20:48 <nebadon> not disks
2015-05-09 20:48 <AllenKerensky> no moving parts is a good design =)
2015-05-09 20:48 <BlueWall> 4 watts :)
2015-05-09 20:49 <BlueWall> This is crazy though - I read the spec on my power supply form the box and it said 11 amps
2015-05-09 20:49 <BlueWall> 11 amps at 120v
2015-05-09 20:49 <BlueWall> Can that be right?
2015-05-09 20:49 <nebadon> thats probably at peak load
2015-05-09 20:50 <nebadon> not sustained
2015-05-09 20:50 <BlueWall> that is over 1300 watts
2015-05-09 20:50 <BlueWall> I'm shtting these babies off when not in use.
2015-05-09 20:50 <nebadon> oh you mean your main computer?
2015-05-09 20:50 <BlueWall> yeah
2015-05-09 20:50 <nebadon> oh ya thats probably about righ
2015-05-09 20:50 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-09 20:50 <BlueWall> man
2015-05-09 20:51 <nebadon> they use far less when sitting idle
2015-05-09 20:51 <BlueWall> the power co. will send a man to see if I disconnected the meter :D
2015-05-09 20:51 <nebadon> but if your cranking the cpu and gpu yes
2015-05-09 20:51 <nebadon> they can pull a lot 
2015-05-09 20:51 <BlueWall> they never sleep
2015-05-09 20:51 <nebadon> really depends on the generation of the machine
2015-05-09 20:51 <BlueWall> but, yeah they just idle at night.
2015-05-09 20:51 <nebadon> newer cpus i7s use a lot less power
2015-05-09 20:51 <nebadon> cpu stepping etc..
2015-05-09 20:52 <AllenKerensky> yeah look into ACPI settings in bios/uefi and in your OS power management
2015-05-09 20:52 <BlueWall> I run them wide open :)
2015-05-09 20:52 <BlueWall> lol
2015-05-09 20:52 <nebadon> my laptop even when im using it for general stuff it runs at like 1ghz
2015-05-09 20:52 <BlueWall> turn off acpi
2015-05-09 20:52 <AllenKerensky> P-states, T-states, and C-states can ramp up and down cores, voltage consumed, heat produced, etc
2015-05-09 20:52 <nebadon> if i fire up something intensive it can shoot up to 3ghz+
2015-05-09 20:52 <BlueWall> I run all cores, no acpi, etc.
2015-05-09 20:53 <AllenKerensky> avoid a lot of bugs that way, but max power use when not needed
2015-05-09 20:53 <nebadon> i was running my i5 at 4ghz for a while
2015-05-09 20:53 <BlueWall> anyways 4 watts will be really low compared to what I have now.
2015-05-09 20:53 <nebadon> but honestly its not that much slower running stock speeds with the cpu stepping enabled 
2015-05-09 20:53 <nebadon> i barely even notice
2015-05-09 20:53 <AllenKerensky> my CPU does a bunch of different steps from 600MHz to 3.6GHz and turning on/off cores in pairs
2015-05-09 20:54 <BlueWall> I guess I should set mine up that way too
2015-05-09 20:54 <AllenKerensky> yeah I'd hate to be burning 850W all day every day
2015-05-09 20:54 <AllenKerensky> really it takes me compiling a viewer or an OS to crank all the cores up in the top end of their time
2015-05-09 20:54 <BlueWall> also the heat produced adds to the mix.
2015-05-09 20:55 <BlueWall> not too bad in winter though :)
2015-05-09 20:55 <AllenKerensky> yeah I have a Coolermaster HAF912 case with 1 x 200mm, 1 x 140mm, and 3 x 120mm fans lol
2015-05-09 20:55 <BlueWall> :)
2015-05-09 20:55 <AllenKerensky> sorry, 2 x 200mm
2015-05-09 20:56 <AllenKerensky> but yeah - most multithread OS keep all the cores going at low levels
2015-05-09 20:56 <BlueWall> I have an old case and I have been thinking about adding some fans on the top like a locomotive :)
2015-05-09 20:56 <AllenKerensky> but, rarely do the cores go above ~1.4GHz speed
2015-05-09 20:56 <AllenKerensky> I/O wait in disk and network tends to provide lots of time for the CPUs to snore
2015-05-09 20:58 <BlueWall> I'd rather push air into the case that pull, because it might setup a situation where the poser supply could loose flow and overheat.
2015-05-09 20:59 <nebadon> i like to have front fans pull and rear fans push out
2015-05-09 20:59 <nebadon> so its not blowing hot air directly on my leg
2015-05-09 21:01 <BlueWall> I used to keep the server in a closet
2015-05-09 21:02 <BlueWall> these new ones would probably melt down there.
2015-05-09 21:03 <dahlia> I keep my linux desktop box in a closet and I have a long vga cable
2015-05-09 21:03 <BlueWall> haa, cool
2015-05-09 21:03 <dahlia> but it's pretty quiet anyway, could prolly survive outside the closet
2015-05-09 21:03 <nebadon> the server i just rebuilt with this amd 
2015-05-09 21:04 <nebadon> is very quiet compared to the old core2quad
2015-05-09 21:04 <dahlia> but I also have cable modem, router, NAS, and a few other thingies in the same closet
2015-05-09 21:06 <Ar3s> Allen, Tesla Powerwall with sunpower :D
2015-05-09 21:07 <Ar3s> == disconnect from the powerlines!
2015-05-09 21:07 <nebadon> could be worse could have to be here every day > https://youtu.be/K8kua5B5K3I?t=2m50s
2015-05-09 21:07 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-09 21:07 <BlueWall> Ar3s, you were asking about prebuild projects?
2015-05-09 21:07 <Ar3s> yes i answered my own question, i had 2 projects in thesame addon dir :)
2015-05-09 21:08 <Ar3s> i noticed the pattern to search for prebuild.xml files was prebuild*xml
2015-05-09 21:08 <Ar3s> so i created prebuild.1.xml and prebuild.2.xml
2015-05-09 21:08 <BlueWall> yes, must have separate files for each when it gets to that point.
2015-05-09 21:08 <BlueWall> ++ right answer
2015-05-09 21:08 <Ar3s> and that works like a charm :-)
2015-05-09 21:09 <Ar3s> one of them is an Exe aswell... works
2015-05-09 21:09 <Ar3s> i placed the new dtln or something currency system in 1 dir, moneyserver + modules
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2015-05-10 07:07 <osmantis> Bug #7564:04 Inventory download hangs temporarily or permanently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7564 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-10 10:04 <ahmadi_> hi every body
2015-05-10 10:04 <ahmadi_> i want to create machinima using opensimulator
2015-05-10 10:04 <ahmadi_> i have seen many pages about how to capture pages and how to control cameras and  ...
2015-05-10 10:04 <ahmadi_> but unfortunateley i can not find usefull information about :
2015-05-10 10:05 <ahmadi_> 1- control camera for smooth movement over spline
2015-05-10 10:05 <ahmadi_> 2- control npc's in scene 
2015-05-10 10:05 <ahmadi_> would you please help me
2015-05-10 10:05 <ahmadi_> ?
2015-05-10 15:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #4173 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-10 15:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4173: SUCCESS in 9 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4173/
2015-05-10 15:58 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Added unit tests for FetchInventoryDescendents http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Inventory_API#Fetch_Inventory_Descendents
2015-05-10 15:58 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Changed prebuild to find the new unit tests for FetchInventory
2015-05-10 16:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #4174 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-10 16:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4174: SUCCESS in 4 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4174/
2015-05-10 16:04 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Improved comments on fetch inventory tests
2015-05-10 17:21 <VelusUniverseSys> hello is anyone about? i need help with something very technical im creating a mime type reader and trying to find out what the first 4 bytes of the files in oar raw etc will be so i can verify they are what the extension says, this bis done in php and i have a lot done but the opensim files im strugling with like oar iar raw etc
2015-05-10 17:23 <diva> oars and iars are zip files
2015-05-10 17:28 <nebadon> http://imgur.com/rn1kH2R
2015-05-10 17:30 <osmantis> Bug #7054:04 Initial inventory fetch seems to hang occasionally 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7054 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-10 17:52 <danbanner> wow finally lol
2015-05-10 18:03 <smxy> She just closed it to shut up "the noise". :p
2015-05-10 18:04 <smxy> Thanks for all the inventory work, Diva.
2015-05-10 18:16 <linkedinyou> thank you for the good work in inventory and time you gave  (    Diva     ).
2015-05-10 18:45 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-05-11 10:51 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-11 15:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #4175 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-11 16:00 <diva> I don't understand what jenkins is doing. 
2015-05-11 16:00 <diva> it spent, like 6 minutes, doing something before even attempting to build
2015-05-11 16:01 <nebadon> ya for some reason cloning the repository is very slow
2015-05-11 16:01 <diva> oh is that what it's doing?
2015-05-11 16:01 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-11 16:02 <nebadon> maybe the repo needs some maintenance
2015-05-11 16:02 <nebadon> all those branches
2015-05-11 16:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4175: FAILURE in 9 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4175/
2015-05-11 16:02 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Added the beginning of a new test framework for robust connectors and services. For now, just Grid and Presence. This framework starts a robust server (as a thread) listening on a port in localhost, then the tests are client code.
2015-05-11 16:02 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Deleted OpenSim.Tests.Client.GridClient and PresenceClient, as they have been subsumed by the new testing framework.
2015-05-11 16:02 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Added this form that comes handy for testing the grid service in Robust.
2015-05-11 16:02 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Added simple test for IM in Robust too.
2015-05-11 16:02 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Knocked off a few compiler warnings regarding unused variables.
2015-05-11 16:02 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Added inventory tests to Robust.Tests.
2015-05-11 16:02 <diva> where can I see those jenkis directives? I don't see anything on the web interface, just the build status
2015-05-11 16:02 <nebadon> I am not sure, I think its all done via the web panel
2015-05-11 16:02 <nebadon> I didnt set it up, nor have i ever set jenkins up
2015-05-11 16:02 <nebadon> there is a jenkins user that it runs under
2015-05-11 16:02 <diva> it says it failed, but it's still going on the web interface
2015-05-11 16:03 <nebadon> yea its acting very wierd for sure
2015-05-11 16:03 <nebadon> not sure why
2015-05-11 16:04 <diva> and now, the first thing it was doing is still stuck while the second is gone
2015-05-11 16:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #4176 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4174 1 day 0 hr ago)
2015-05-11 16:06 <diva> I don't get it
2015-05-11 16:06 <diva> there's two things in there
2015-05-11 16:06 <diva> one called "opensim" the other called "opensim >> mono-2.10.8.1"
2015-05-11 16:06 <diva> they both have the same build number
2015-05-11 16:07 <diva> and theyre both going at the same time
2015-05-11 16:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4176: STILL FAILING in 1 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4176/
2015-05-11 16:07 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Trivial change just to trigger jenkins to build again
2015-05-11 16:08 <osmantis> Bug #7542:04 in a VAR sim, a scripted attachment on an NPC won't work. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7542 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-11 16:08 <diva> and it's not running my new tests
2015-05-11 16:08 <diva> wtf
2015-05-11 16:09 <diva> ok,  don't understand anything
2015-05-11 16:14 <nebadon> diva jenkins says this
2015-05-11 16:14 <nebadon> /home/jenkins/jobs/opensim/workspace/MONO_VERSION/mono-2.10.8.1/OpenSim/Tests/Clients/InstantMessage/OpenSim.Tests.Clients.InstantantMessage.exe.build(9,7):
2015-05-11 16:14 <nebadon>             The fileset specified is empty after scanning '/home/jenkins/jobs/opensim/workspace/MONO_VERSION/mono-2.10.8.1/OpenSim/Tests/Clients/InstantMessage' for: NAnt.Core.StringCollectionWithGoodToString:
2015-05-11 16:14 <nebadon>             
2015-05-11 16:14 <diva> yes, I saw that...
2015-05-11 16:14 <diva> it's building again, hopefully
2015-05-11 16:14 <nebadon> k
2015-05-11 16:15 <diva> it's stuck at pulling from git
2015-05-11 16:15 <nebadon> yea 
2015-05-11 16:15 <diva> we really need to do something about this
2015-05-11 16:15 <nebadon> not sure why that is so slow
2015-05-11 16:17 <diva> oh wow, it's fetching again
2015-05-11 16:17 <diva> that's is really screwed up
2015-05-11 16:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #4177 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4174 1 day 0 hr ago)
2015-05-11 16:18 <diva> well, something in there is fetching from git twice
2015-05-11 16:23 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-05-11 16:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4177: FIXED in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4177/
2015-05-11 16:23 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Forgot to delete an unused project from Prebuild. Done now.
2015-05-11 16:24 <diva> ok, phew
2015-05-11 16:24 <diva> but jenkins needs some fixin'
2015-05-11 17:31 <Wanderer_42> Hi. Question about donations for osgrid. Would it be possible, to add Paysafe for that ?  I avoid all sorts of "online-banking". But Paysafe is really safe. You dont have to give anybody account-details etc.
2015-05-11 17:32 <Wanderer_42> (bank account, credit card etc.)
2015-05-11 17:33 <Wanderer_42> Sorry, wrong channel
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2015-05-11 19:36 <osmantis> Bug #7542:04 in a VAR sim, a scripted attachment on an NPC won't work. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7542 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2015-05-11 23:48 <diva> nebadon, am I an admin in jenkins?
2015-05-11 23:49 <nebadon> let me look
2015-05-11 23:49 <nebadon> not sure there is admin stuff
2015-05-11 23:50 <nebadon> on the menu up top to left
2015-05-11 23:50 <nebadon> that says Jenkins with down arrow
2015-05-11 23:50 <diva> not sure eitherm but I don't see any where where things can be configured
2015-05-11 23:50 <nebadon> do you have manage jenkins on there?
2015-05-11 23:50 <diva> no
2015-05-11 23:50 <nebadon> ok let me look
2015-05-11 23:51 <nebadon> I dont see anything that says make admin
2015-05-11 23:52 <nebadon> maybe I dont have full admin rights either
2015-05-12 00:03 <osmantis> Bug #7562:04 Add area-of-effect terrain-modification 'noise' command 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7562 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-12 00:03 <osmantis> Bug #7562:04 Add area-of-effect terrain-modification 'noise' command 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7562 ): has been CLOSED
2015-05-12 00:04 <osmantis> Bug #7565:04 'terrain modify' is not constrained to current Region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7565 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-12 00:04 <osmantis> Bug #7565:04 'terrain modify' is not constrained to current Region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7565 ): has been CLOSED
2015-05-12 01:21 <BlueWall> nebadon, do you see a "manage jenkins" menu?
2015-05-12 01:25 <nebadon> yes
2015-05-12 01:25 <nebadon> I dont know why diva doesnt
2015-05-12 01:25 <nebadon> do you see it?
2015-05-12 01:25 <BlueWall> yes
2015-05-12 01:25 <nebadon> hmm
2015-05-12 01:26 <BlueWall> is she logged in ?
2015-05-12 01:26 <nebadon> do you see anything in settings to elevate user status
2015-05-12 01:26 <nebadon> I assume she is, diva?
2015-05-12 01:26 <diva> I am
2015-05-12 01:26 <BlueWall> the security settings say anyone who is logged in may do anything
2015-05-12 01:26 <diva> oh wait
2015-05-12 01:26 <diva> no I" not...
2015-05-12 01:26 <BlueWall> Oh, Hi Diva
2015-05-12 01:26 <nebadon> :) that may help :P
2015-05-12 01:26 <diva> ah...
2015-05-12 01:26 <diva> that's it I see it now
2015-05-12 01:26 <nebadon> ok cool phew
2015-05-12 01:26 <diva> duh
2015-05-12 01:26 <nebadon> haha
2015-05-12 01:26 <BlueWall> there is a message about our reverse proxy being broken too.
2015-05-12 01:26 <nebadon> yea I saw that
2015-05-12 01:27 <nebadon> but do not understand it
2015-05-12 01:27 <BlueWall> I'll look at it in depth later ...
2015-05-12 01:27 <nebadon> thanks
2015-05-12 01:27 <BlueWall> this restructuring of my net has been an adventure.
2015-05-12 01:27 <nebadon> nice
2015-05-12 01:27 <nebadon> how is the pi holding up?
2015-05-12 01:27 <BlueWall> good now
2015-05-12 01:27 <nebadon> i just upgraded mine to Ubuntu Mate 15.04
2015-05-12 01:27 <nebadon> the pi2
2015-05-12 01:28 <BlueWall> I had no idea about vlan, which was enabled by default ...
2015-05-12 01:28 <BlueWall> so none of the boxes on the lan could see each other.
2015-05-12 01:28 <BlueWall> I had to reload the OS on it several times.
2015-05-12 01:28 <BlueWall> I had a bad ethernet cable
2015-05-12 01:28 <nebadon> ah ya theres a little bit of learning curve :)
2015-05-12 01:29 <BlueWall> and I had to keep the old Linksys, which was wreaking havoc
2015-05-12 01:29 <BlueWall> then needed to do some things on the dsl modem to get port forwarding.
2015-05-12 01:29 <BlueWall> lol
2015-05-12 01:29 <BlueWall> yes
2015-05-12 01:29 <nebadon> freedom isnt free :)
2015-05-12 01:30 <nebadon> WRT is great though
2015-05-12 01:31 <BlueWall> I have used very little memory or filesystem space so far.
2015-05-12 02:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #4178 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2015-05-12 03:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4178: FAILURE in 5 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4178/
2015-05-12 03:00 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Added tests for UserAccountService in Robust. In the process fixed a couple of bugs in the network connectors. For some reason the robust-bound code had a CreateUser method, while the client-bound code had no such method. I assume someone is extending the client-side code with their own connectors. I added the missing method, but didn't add it to the service interface.
2015-05-12 03:01 <dahlia> diva: there is a rest-based login in there somewhere which could be used by non-LL protocol based clients, is that what you mean?
2015-05-12 03:02 <nebadon> BUILD FAILED
2015-05-12 03:02 <nebadon>             
2015-05-12 03:02 <nebadon>             /home/jenkins/jobs/opensim/workspace/MONO_VERSION/mono-2.10.8.1/OpenSim/Tests/Clients/UserAccounts/OpenSim.Tests.Clients.UserAccountClient.exe.build(9,7):
2015-05-12 03:02 <nebadon>             The fileset specified is empty after scanning '/home/jenkins/jobs/opensim/workspace/MONO_VERSION/mono-2.10.8.1/OpenSim/Tests/Clients/UserAccounts' for: NAnt.Core.StringCollectionWithGoodToString:
2015-05-12 03:03 <diva> damn, Windows doesn't complain about these
2015-05-12 03:04 <nebadon> mono 2.10 is not fully .net 4.5 compliant
2015-05-12 03:04 <nebadon> ah
2015-05-12 03:04 <nebadon> heh
2015-05-12 03:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #4179 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4177 10 hr ago)
2015-05-12 03:09 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-05-12 03:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4179: FIXED in 4 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4179/
2015-05-12 03:09 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Again, forgot to update Prebuild.xml regarding the deleted test client project. Done now.
2015-05-12 03:51 <JoeRadik> You send them the books, buy them the school, and they still don't get 'login.' Just kidding.  Thanks for all you do, diva.
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2015-05-12 14:22 <Plugh> Morning, nebadon
2015-05-12 14:23 <Plugh> Does anyone happen to know the licensing terms of the Aurora based WhiteCore-Sim project code? I'm thinking of trying to port its abuse module to OpenSim.
2015-05-12 14:35 <nebadon> not sure I imagine there is a license file
2015-05-12 14:35 <Plugh> I haven't found it
2015-05-12 14:35 <nebadon> just make sure that if you do port the code you try to figure out who commited that code and add them to our contributors list if they are not there already
2015-05-12 14:36 <Plugh> Oh, right. There is a licence blurb at the top of the .cs file. D'oh!  :)
2015-05-12 14:37 <BlueWall> Cinder Biscuits (skittles) did an abuse module recently. Not sure where the code is, but you might contact here about it?
2015-05-12 14:39 <Plugh> Cinder made one specifically for OS?
2015-05-12 14:39 <BlueWall> yes
2015-05-12 14:39 <Plugh> ok. I would be better off using it as a base instead of something from a different project.
2015-05-12 14:40 <BlueWall> if you can contact her, she could fill you in on it.
2015-05-12 14:40 <Plugh> Found the bitbucket repo
2015-05-12 14:42 <Plugh> hm... no actual code there that I can see.
2015-05-12 14:43 <Plugh> Thanks, BlueWall. I'll see if I can track them down.
2015-05-12 14:44 <BlueWall> ok
2015-05-12 14:45 <linkedinyou> Plugh: you can find here on yrgrid i will gt her name for you Cinder Biscuits 
2015-05-12 14:45 <linkedinyou> BlueWall: she is running th yrgrid
2015-05-12 14:45 <Plugh> linkedinyou: That repo site makes me think I could contact her via SL.
2015-05-12 14:47 <linkedinyou> Plugh: she built a chinnese gambling grid you can contact her in sl if you want i can get her name for you
2015-05-12 14:48 <Plugh> sure. It would be easier for me to go via SL as I already have an account there, and if she still logs in to SL.
2015-05-12 14:48 <linkedinyou> Plugh: she seems busy with the grid i am not sure
2015-05-12 14:48 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-05-12 14:49 <linkedinyou> let me just look for the name
2015-05-12 14:49 <Plugh> np. Its not like I don't have lots of things I can do. :)  I still need to do an upgrade of a grid to 0.8.1
2015-05-12 14:49 <Plugh> I noticed some new settings in the INI files of 0.8.1 that I need to understand better so I can know how to set them.
2015-05-12 14:51 <Plugh> bbl. I may be about to be asked to help bring in some plants.
2015-05-12 15:04 <AliciaRaven> hi nebadon, i think i have some new info on the sigsegv durring startup problem, will add to the mantis at some point what i have
2015-05-12 15:04 <nebadon> great
2015-05-12 15:05 <AliciaRaven> when it throws the sigsegv, os dosnt have time to print any error message, since i upped my mono threads i thought it had stopped, but this morning it crashed at the same ponit, but no sigsegv, os gave me an exeption message instead
2015-05-12 16:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #4180 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2015-05-12 16:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4180: SUCCESS in 9 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4180/
2015-05-12 16:05 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: One more test in UserAccountsClient.
2015-05-12 17:56 <Plugh> I'm getting "Logins disabled" for Wright Plaza.
2015-05-12 17:59 <dahlia> I tp'd to WP but nothing loading
2015-05-12 18:00 <dahlia> better now
2015-05-12 18:17 <Plugh> wow! running a viewer really does push the CPU hard. My CPU temp jumped from about 34C to 65C (it peaked at 69C)
2015-05-12 18:19 <dahlia> wright plaza is very complex and opengl 2 is very inefficient with cpu resources
2015-05-12 18:21 <Plugh> wow. The right side of my CPU case is warming up nicely. 
2015-05-12 18:22 <dahlia> maybe need a bigger cpu cooler :P
2015-05-12 18:24 <Plugh> This case supports water based cooling. Somehow the idea of having water running around in pipes inside a computer doesn't sound like a smart idea.
2015-05-12 18:25 <Plugh> dahlia, yea, this video card only has opengl 2
2015-05-12 18:25 <dahlia> viewer only uses opengl 2
2015-05-12 18:36 <Plugh> oh, ok
2015-05-12 18:39 <OtakuMegane_> It's a very old version in any case. Usually you tend to see it holding on when something is meant to be widely backwards-compatible.
2015-05-12 18:52 <dahlia> 
ACTION blames justincc

2015-05-12 18:53 <justincc> yep, the accumulated weight of blame has finally broken me
2015-05-12 18:53 <dahlia> there's a lot that's accumulated... you may want to just close the IRC program :)
2015-05-12 18:53 <justincc> lol
2015-05-12 18:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #4181 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-12 19:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4181: SUCCESS in 4 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4181/
2015-05-12 19:01 <osjenkins> jjustincc: Disable the "show threadpool calls active" console command for now.
2015-05-12 19:32 <Plugh> nebadon: I noticed Cuteulala at the meeting so I asked about the roller coaster. I'll be checking out the script she pointed me to sometime later.
2015-05-12 19:33 <nebadon> cool
2015-05-12 19:33 <nebadon> ya she posted a link to new version on forums
2015-05-12 19:34 <nebadon> > V5.0 Of coasters released yesterday  http://forums.osgrid.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5372 
2015-05-12 19:35 <nebadon> I think the only thing she hasnt shared is the track creator
2015-05-12 20:15 <ldlework> If I wanted to add jailed javascript support, is that implemented ontop of XEngine? nebadon was suggesting that I implement it as a region module but that seems wrong..
2015-05-12 20:16 <ldlework> (no offense)
2015-05-12 20:16 <nebadon> none taken, like i said it just seems better in the long run, since if we start to heavily modify xengine in any significant way
2015-05-12 20:16 <nebadon> it could effect anything you do on top of it
2015-05-12 20:16 <nebadon> if that code is not accepted into core
2015-05-12 20:16 <nebadon> could make maintaining it very difficult for you
2015-05-12 20:17 <ldlework> Sure, but I would rather maintain it, than having a hacked solution. If I was going to introduce a new languge to opensim, I'd be signing up for that I think.
2015-05-12 20:17 <nebadon> at one point we had .js support in xengine
2015-05-12 20:17 <nebadon> but .js support was removed from .net 
2015-05-12 20:17 <nebadon> so we could no longer maintain it
2015-05-12 20:18 <ldlework> Oh I didn't realise js was removed from .NET
2015-05-12 20:18 <ldlework> That's unfortunate
2015-05-12 20:18 <nebadon> ya thats why a module makes more sense to me
2015-05-12 20:18 <nebadon> i would not call a module hacked
2015-05-12 20:18 <ldlework> Well its not Javascript in particular that I care about.
2015-05-12 20:18 <ldlework> Its the sandboxing of a Real Language that I'm interested in.
2015-05-12 20:19 <ldlework> Reading about sandboxing C# it seems like .NET already supports this with AppDomains
2015-05-12 20:19 <nebadon> you should be able to run C# now in xengine
2015-05-12 20:19 <nebadon> I think
2015-05-12 20:19 <ldlework> And I've seen AppDomains mentioned in the config and wiki but nothing that would tell me anything interesting about their use in opensim
2015-05-12 20:19 <ldlework> I also wonder why C# scripting is implemented as a class carriage, rather than inheritance.
2015-05-12 20:20 <ldlework> Probably to make it feel more 'script-like', but it seems to cause a lot of problems for people trying to use C#.
2015-05-12 20:20 <zzz_> can i ask anyone here for some help using jarilo/whether it is confirmed to still be working? apologies if it is the wrong channel/distubing discussions, i would like to set up an irc-SL relay
2015-05-12 20:20 <nebadon> look for AllowedCompilers
2015-05-12 20:20 <nebadon> in OpenSim.ini [Xengine] section
2015-05-12 20:21 <nebadon> zzz_ i have no idea what jarilo/wheter is
2015-05-12 20:21 <nebadon> is it related to OpenSimulator? if not then i would say off topic
2015-05-12 20:22 <zzz_> it is libopenmetaverse based
2015-05-12 20:22 <nebadon> idlework > http://justincc.org/blog/2008/11/21/c-scripting-in-opensim/
2015-05-12 20:22 <nebadon> its a bit dated
2015-05-12 20:22 <nebadon> oh ok zzz_
2015-05-12 20:22 <zzz_> sorry, any suggestions as to a possible channel to ask in?
2015-05-12 20:22 <nebadon> i am unfamiliar with it
2015-05-12 20:22 <nebadon> you could try the opensim email list
2015-05-12 20:22 <nebadon> details are at the bottom of http://opensimulator.org
2015-05-12 20:23 <nebadon> unfortunately libomv project is sort of in flux
2015-05-12 20:23 <ldlework> nebadon: I've read it and the next 145 results on google so far
2015-05-12 20:23 <nebadon> another option may be to see if there is a libomv group in second life
2015-05-12 20:23 <zzz_> is that due to lkalif's health?
2015-05-12 20:23 <ldlework> :)
2015-05-12 20:23 <nebadon> well partially zzz_ most of the devs are just not involved much anymore
2015-05-12 20:23 <zzz_> right
2015-05-12 20:24 <nebadon> ok idlework for the most part it should do what you need then
2015-05-12 20:24 <zzz_> such a shame as i would love to feed conversation from irc into SL/opemsim, any other ideas?
2015-05-12 20:24 <nebadon> i unfortunately dont have any experience with that
2015-05-12 20:24 <nebadon> opensimulator has its own irc module
2015-05-12 20:25 <zzz_> right that would make sense
2015-05-12 20:25 <nebadon> i cant help much with SL
2015-05-12 20:25 <nebadon> its been years since ive done anything meaningful there
2015-05-12 20:25 <nebadon> dahlia do you know of anything that might be useful for that?
2015-05-12 20:27 <zzz_> i might ask in the singularity SL group as i am sure they use it there, just twigged
2015-05-12 20:27 <nebadon> yea good idea
2015-05-12 20:27 <zzz_> brb
2015-05-12 20:28 <LiruCookies> zzz_: Hm?
2015-05-12 20:30 <zzz_> whats up
2015-05-12 20:30 <LiruCookies> 
ACTION <-Singularity developer.

2015-05-12 20:31 <LiruCookies> We do use Jarilo for our bridge, are you having trouble setting it up?
2015-05-12 20:31 <zzz_> ah ok, do you know relay rinc the irc <> sl communications thingy lkalif made i belive
2015-05-12 20:31 <zzz_> yes!
2015-05-12 20:31 <zzz_> lotsadifficulties
2015-05-12 20:31 <zzz_> [Bot 0 of 1 online]>
2015-05-12 20:31 <LiruCookies> Well, are you using the one with my changes?
2015-05-12 20:31 <LiruCookies> You should... one second.
2015-05-12 20:31 <zzz_> no i am not
2015-05-12 20:32 <zzz_> ok + thanks
2015-05-12 20:32 <LiruCookies> https://bitbucket.org/Lirusaito/jarilo/commits/all
2015-05-12 20:34 <zzz_> sorry to be nooby but how do i pull your release
2015-05-12 20:34 <zzz_> had to work out building things recently, fortunately it wasnt *too* hard
2015-05-12 20:34 <zzz_> :)
2015-05-12 20:34 <LiruCookies> Just do a clone of that repo
2015-05-12 20:35 <zzz_> git clone that url?
2015-05-12 20:35 <LiruCookies> hg clone
2015-05-12 20:36 <LiruCookies> The ... icon on the left side offers you the copy paste line for clongining
2015-05-12 20:36 <nebadon> https://bitbucket.org/Lirusaito/jarilo/get/08eb15142e3e.zip
2015-05-12 20:36 <nebadon> here is a zip :)
2015-05-12 20:37 <LiruCookies> Relay Rinq has been down for a long time, actually, we've been using Testy since before Latif went and focused on his health.
2015-05-12 20:40 <zzz_> one more question, do i drop openmetaverse inside it somehow? 
2015-05-12 20:40 <zzz_> as the other apps built fine
2015-05-12 20:40 <LiruCookies> No, no need.
2015-05-12 20:41 <zzz_> just xbuild / nant it?
2015-05-12 20:41 <LiruCookies> Just build that and it'll be ready to go, all you need to do is edit the config file
2015-05-12 20:41 <LiruCookies> Uhm... are you not windows?
2015-05-12 20:42 <zzz_> nope
2015-05-12 20:43 <zzz_> mac
2015-05-12 20:43 <zzz_> :D
2015-05-12 20:43 <LiruCookies> oh... lovely... gimme a bit, I'll just upload my bin for you.
2015-05-12 20:43 <zzz_> what version of mono does it need
2015-05-12 20:43 <dahlia> nebadon: I think jarilo was lkalif's SL IRC bot, no idea if source is available
2015-05-12 20:43 <zzz_> thanks
2015-05-12 20:43 <nebadon> yea it sounds like Liru is keeping it alive :)
2015-05-12 20:43 <nebadon> thanks LiruCookies for helping out
2015-05-12 20:43 <LiruCookies> Together with the Alchemy team, yes.
2015-05-12 20:43 <zzz_> yeah really useful and fun
2015-05-12 20:43 <zzz_> yes thanks lirucookies
2015-05-12 20:44 <nebadon> now I know who to ask in the future :)
2015-05-12 20:44 <nebadon> cause i know you love me bugging you!! :P
2015-05-12 20:44 <zzz_> id like to ask privately/or publicly if noone minds how to build it / what version of net/mono it will build against for reference
2015-05-12 20:44 <zzz_> but ill take the bin for the easy option meanwhile
2015-05-12 20:44 <nebadon> i would imagine it should build against most versions
2015-05-12 20:44 <zzz_> :D
2015-05-12 20:45 <zzz_> right
2015-05-12 20:45 <nebadon> i would say stay above 2.10 though
2015-05-12 20:45 <nebadon> for best results
2015-05-12 20:45 <nebadon> im using 4.0.1 for opensimulator at the moment
2015-05-12 20:45 <nebadon> works well
2015-05-12 20:46 <zzz_> right "The type or namespace name `OpenMetaverse' could not be found." i get that, but i am using mono 2.10.9
2015-05-12 20:46 <zzz_> a very old version to use lkalifs radegast on mac as it displays the windows forms correctly
2015-05-12 20:46 <LiruCookies> okay, found the zip.
2015-05-12 20:46 <zzz_> thanks
2015-05-12 20:47 <nebadon> hmm
2015-05-12 20:47 <nebadon> is there a runprebuild for libomv?
2015-05-12 20:47 <nebadon> i cant remember
2015-05-12 20:47 <zzz_> no sadly
2015-05-12 20:47 <nebadon> ok wierd you would get that error
2015-05-12 20:47 <zzz_> oh for libomv yes
2015-05-12 20:47 <zzz_> i added it in the xml
2015-05-12 20:47 <LiruCookies> The jarilo.config file in it has a bunch of lines that say change me, you should change those, also, you probably wat to change the group id line
2015-05-12 20:49 <zzz_> yes i can handle the config file, thanks. used it before it broke aaages ago, thanks for giving me a binary
2015-05-12 20:49 <LiruCookies> https://bitbucket.org/Lirusaito/jarilo/downloads/Jarilo.zip
2015-05-12 20:50 <LiruCookies> I added a buncha documentation to that config file, enjoy.
2015-05-12 20:50 <zzz_> "The type or namespace name `OpenMetaverse' could not be found." is that because the openmetaverse info cant be found in the jarilo source
2015-05-12 20:51 <zzz_> i dropped the original jarilo in the testclient folder, and used the same xml in the build xml thing and just changed the names thinking back to how i did it in the past
2015-05-12 20:52 <zzz_> i cant seem to do it that way any more, hence wondering what noobie thing i might of overlooked
2015-05-12 20:52 <LiruCookies> Just use that zip I gave you, change the config file so it looks right and it should work out of the box
2015-05-12 21:03 <LiruCookies> zzz_: PLEASE DO NOT USE OUR RELAY CHANNEL
2015-05-12 21:03 <zzz_> LiruCookies - can the startup command be initiated from the beginning not from the console
2015-05-12 21:03 <zzz_> ?
2015-05-12 21:03 <zzz_> ok
2015-05-12 21:04 <LiruCookies> The last thing I need is bots relaying chat through each other..
2015-05-12 21:05 <LiruCookies> Startup command can't be sent until it's started up... I think we have a flag for this i the future versions, but they're not as stable...
2015-05-12 21:05 <zzz_> sorry, accidental, the old jarilo didnt understand path names well so it defaulted to my home folder
2015-05-12 21:05 <zzz_> i have updated both confs
2015-05-12 21:05 <zzz_> shouldnt happen now
2015-05-12 21:07 <LiruCookies> Thanks
2015-05-12 21:07 <zzz_> no thank you, and thanks for being patient and helpful, it is very much appreciated
2015-05-12 21:08 <zzz_> its great to be able to make fun projects using IRC, now i will be able to give my group some games to play
2015-05-12 21:08 <zzz_> thank you LiruCookies and nebadon and to all i missed out
2015-05-12 21:08 <LiruCookies> Mhm
2015-05-12 21:10 <zzz_> well thats useful, it trys to rejoin while the sim is restarting
2015-05-12 21:10 <zzz_> should be OK to leave be then i take it?
2015-05-12 21:10 <zzz_> right I'll carry on with my other irc bits, thanks again
2015-05-12 21:10 <zzz_> bye :)
2015-05-12 21:22 <nebadon> np zzz_ glad you got it working :)
2015-05-12 21:22 <zzz_> well its not working just yet
2015-05-12 21:22 <zzz_> haha
2015-05-12 21:26 <dahlia> oooou I updated my grid and logged in and my animations worked immediately D
2015-05-12 21:26 <nebadon> fancy
2015-05-12 21:26 <dahlia> 
ACTION gives diva_ a cookie

2015-05-12 21:27 <dahlia> usually takes a couple minutes before the viewer AO finds the notecard in inventory
2015-05-12 21:27 <nebadon> ya
2015-05-12 21:27 <nebadon> those inventory links were nastay
2015-05-12 22:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #4182 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-12 22:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4182: SUCCESS in 4 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4182/
2015-05-12 22:53 <osjenkins> dahlia: Patch llCastRay fully simplified to V3.
2015-05-12 22:53 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-12 23:18 <nebadon> nice
2015-05-13 01:52 <BlueWall_> ldlework, we used to have javascript as an optional scripting language until M$ pulled it from .net. I think it is now implemented in IronJS (https://github.com/fholm/IronJS).
2015-05-13 01:52 <BlueWall_> You might look at the MRM module to see about sandboxing.
2015-05-13 02:02 <ldlework> BlueWall_: man phlox is really the kind of answer we need
2015-05-13 02:03 <nebadon> what is phlox?
2015-05-13 02:03 <BlueWall_> Inworldz
2015-05-13 02:03 <ldlework> nebadon: the virtual machine developed for InWorldz
2015-05-13 02:03 <nebadon> what is the benefit?
2015-05-13 02:03 <nebadon> is it cross platform?
2015-05-13 02:04 <ldlework> Basically they wrote a small virtual machine they embed into OpenSim, and compile lsl to their own bytecode. This gives them substantial security and capability for script reliability.
2015-05-13 02:04 <ldlework> I assume their only supported language is LSL though
2015-05-13 02:05 <BlueWall_> I guess we have different security issues though, supportgin Hypergrid, etc.
2015-05-13 02:05 <BlueWall_> Open grids like OSGrid where people can take their scripts onto other's simulators.
2015-05-13 02:06 <ldlework> Sure, and if those scripts compiled down to a VM you control completely that would give OpenSim a very strong arm in granularly exposing functionality to a script's runtime.
2015-05-13 02:07 <ldlework> You'd be able to tell all the things a script does by analyzing its bytecode. "Sorry, your script utilizes functions disallowed in this region" kind of thing.
2015-05-13 02:07 <nebadon> yea that kind of thing is probably a lot easier in an environment where you control everything
2015-05-13 02:07 <nebadon> have consistent hardware
2015-05-13 02:07 <nebadon> single platform
2015-05-13 02:07 <ldlework> I'm not sure the hardware is the issue here.
2015-05-13 02:07 <nebadon> single architecture
2015-05-13 02:07 <ldlework> You could build the VM with C#.
2015-05-13 02:07 <ldlework> It would run just like any other part of OpenSim.
2015-05-13 02:08 <ldlework> BlueWall: Do you know anything about OpenSim's usage of AppDomains?
2015-05-13 02:09 <BlueWall> It has been a long time sice I was in there.
2015-05-13 02:09 <BlueWall> So, not a lot.
2015-05-13 02:09 <Plugh> hm... I'm in a different grid and my CPU is only up to 38C.
2015-05-13 02:10 <nebadon> Plugh its Wright Plaza
2015-05-13 02:10 <ldlework> Because I think .NET has mechanisms for running some code in a 'sandbox' or otherwise restricting what's available to some code.
2015-05-13 02:10 <nebadon> Wright Plaza is crazy town
2015-05-13 02:10 <Plugh> nebadon: must be.
2015-05-13 02:10 <nebadon> it has over 4000 visible textures
2015-05-13 02:10 <ldlework> But that only solves the security, not the portability.
2015-05-13 02:11 <nebadon> im not sure passing binaries in an opengrid is every going to be safe
2015-05-13 02:11 <nebadon> someone could modify the code
2015-05-13 02:11 <BlueWall> I think you can see that in the MRM module
2015-05-13 02:11 <nebadon> it is impossible to insure that the source has not been modified to harm the destination
2015-05-13 02:12 <ldlework> BlueWall: ah right I read about that
2015-05-13 02:12 <ldlework> nebadon: who said anything about passing binaries?
2015-05-13 02:12 <ldlework> Not sure what you're referring to.
2015-05-13 02:12 <nebadon> well that is how SL works
2015-05-13 02:12 <nebadon> it passes the bytecode from sim to sim
2015-05-13 02:12 <nebadon> to save time
2015-05-13 02:12 <nebadon> i thought that was what you mean
2015-05-13 02:12 <BlueWall> Diva has been talking about adding a new engine using lua or anglescript.
2015-05-13 02:13 <nebadon> when you said portability
2015-05-13 02:13 <ldlework> nebadon: sure but hypergrid likely works completely differently
2015-05-13 02:13 <nebadon> well by default opensim does not allow for that
2015-05-13 02:13 <ldlework> In that I doubt bytecode is being transferred from one server to another.
2015-05-13 02:13 <nebadon> for security purposes, its very unsafe
2015-05-13 02:13 <nebadon> you can enable it
2015-05-13 02:13 <nebadon> in closed environments
2015-05-13 02:14 <BlueWall> if you have a walled garden, then it is ok to pass the inaries between regions
2015-05-13 02:14 <ldlework> BlueWall: Diva should instead document, in much detail, how one goes about adding a competing scripting language to opensim, amirite?
2015-05-13 02:14 <BlueWall> Not really
2015-05-13 02:14 <nebadon> wouldnt that be via region module?
2015-05-13 02:14 <Plugh> What scripting language would you like to try with OpenSim?
2015-05-13 02:15 <ldlework> BlueWall: alright, so you'll take one over the potential for a market of exploration. 
2015-05-13 02:15 <BlueWall> If she has a roadmap in her mind and brings the code and it's acceptible to the core developers, then it's all good.
2015-05-13 02:15 <ldlework> BlueWall: sure, I'm not saying that a specific engine wouldn't be of value, I was making a wider point
2015-05-13 02:15 <ldlework> Nevermind.
2015-05-13 02:15 <BlueWall> haha
2015-05-13 02:15 <ldlework> :)
2015-05-13 02:16 <BlueWall> "Running code and rough consensus"
2015-05-13 02:16 <BlueWall> We could rework xengine too.
2015-05-13 02:17 <BlueWall> It seems to work ok for many things.
2015-05-13 02:17 <ldlework> I don't know a lot about XEngine yet (there's not a lot of information...)
2015-05-13 02:18 <BlueWall> The main thing is we need to have some asynchroneous code in places to help with some events, let other things run in parallel to llSleep, etc.
2015-05-13 02:18 <ldlework> Yeah, that's one of the main advantages of Phlox
2015-05-13 02:18 <BlueWall> we could do that with the existing code.
2015-05-13 02:19 <BlueWall> Esp. if we upgrade to the 4.5 toolset.
2015-05-13 02:19 <ldlework> Users can go ahead an create infinite loops or whatever, and they never need to inject cooperation or anything like that.
2015-05-13 02:19 <ldlework> They can just pause the script as a feature of their VM.
2015-05-13 02:19 <ldlework> BlueWall: what does 4.5 bring
2015-05-13 02:20 <BlueWall> more asynchroneous support.
2015-05-13 02:20 <BlueWall> like microthreading
2015-05-13 02:21 <ldlework> I wonder if there's an inherent problem with running the script code directly in the same environment as the engine itself.
2015-05-13 02:21 <ldlework> And it doesn't seem like CLR is very serialiazble.
2015-05-13 02:22 <BlueWall> We can have each script in a separate app domain, or set it to run them all in one.
2015-05-13 02:22 <BlueWall> the latter is better for memory.
2015-05-13 02:23 <BlueWall> << on Linux
2015-05-13 02:24 <ldlework> Yes, which seems to be good for the security aspect
2015-05-13 02:24 <ldlework> But can you take some code running in an appdomain and easily serialize it? Call stack and all? 
2015-05-13 02:25 <BlueWall> not sure, but I suppose so - we have an option to accept binary script into regions in the ini.
2015-05-13 02:26 <nebadon> BlueWall just so you know, I have upgraded osgrid plazas and robust to mono 4.0.1 and robust is now running in Release mode
2015-05-13 02:26 <BlueWall> Wold need to see if they maintain state and variables in the new region
2015-05-13 02:26 <nebadon> so far running quite well
2015-05-13 02:27 <BlueWall> yeah, I have been running that way for a week, but light usage
2015-05-13 02:27 <BlueWall> startups seem a lot faster
2015-05-13 02:27 <nebadon> ya ridiculously faster
2015-05-13 02:27 <nebadon> especially scripts
2015-05-13 02:27 <BlueWall> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh191443.aspx#BKMK_AsyncandAwait
2015-05-13 02:36 <ldlework> BlueWall: you'd still have to drop these lexcially into a user's script right?
2015-05-13 02:36 <BlueWall> the compiler would
2015-05-13 02:36 <ldlework> ?
2015-05-13 02:37 <BlueWall> like llSleep would use those instead of sleeping a thread.
2015-05-13 02:37 <BlueWall> Or, code for events might let other things run at times ...
2015-05-13 02:37 <ldlework> So a user would have to write their code cooperatively.
2015-05-13 02:38 <BlueWall> just use lsl
2015-05-13 02:38 <ldlework> >_>
2015-05-13 02:38 <BlueWall> the engine implementation and compiler would use those.
2015-05-13 02:39 <ldlework> I understand how it works if you're transpiling lsl to C#, you can do whatever you want
2015-05-13 02:39 <ldlework> such as inject cooperative mechanisms, that's fine
2015-05-13 02:39 <ldlework> But I'm looking for a wider answer to general scriptability.
2015-05-13 02:40 <ldlework> It seems like with something like Phlox, they don't nessecarily need to LSL to have these reliability characteristics
2015-05-13 02:40 <ldlework> They do obviously, because LSL is the status quo
2015-05-13 02:40 <BlueWall> Yeah, I don't really know anything about it.
2015-05-13 02:40 <ldlework> But technicallly they could support say, some javascript or lua like language where the user wouldn't need to write it cooepratively, but the engine also doesn't need to inject cooperation into the code either.
2015-05-13 02:40 <BlueWall> Never been on InWorldz
2015-05-13 02:40 <ldlework> BlueWall: well its simple, they wrote a VM they use to run LSL
2015-05-13 02:41 <ldlework> Their vm has its own bytecode etc and the VM exposes an interface to code running in the VM to implement a proper LSL environment
2015-05-13 02:41 <ldlework> But since they have a VM they control completely, they can just pause scripts running in their VM wholesale, serialize them, analyze them for metrics and so on
2015-05-13 02:41 <ldlework> Its... probably the direction we should go...
2015-05-13 02:44 <BlueWall> we take good patches :)
2015-05-13 02:44 <ldlework> Yeah its a high hill, man
2015-05-13 02:44 <ldlework> That wiki is a pretty poor substitute for documentation :(
2015-05-13 02:44 <BlueWall> something af that magnitude would need to be in a separate branch for testing - or modules.
2015-05-13 02:44 <BlueWall> It's user generated
2015-05-13 02:45 <ldlework> I understand, best effort.
2015-05-13 02:45 <BlueWall> nobody pays any of us - most of us have to struggle to eat so we can work on this as much as we do.
2015-05-13 02:45 <BlueWall> Can'd do everything.
2015-05-13 02:45 <ldlework> Well, to be frank, if there were more discipline, things would just go slower.
2015-05-13 02:46 <BlueWall> We help people here over and over with the same issues and they walk away, never bothering to update the wiki :(
2015-05-13 02:46 <ldlework> Documentation isn't significantly difficult, it just takes time.
2015-05-13 02:46 <ldlework> The voice in my head has told me to forget OpenSim and walk a way a few times.
2015-05-13 02:46 <ldlework> Its a battle.
2015-05-13 02:47 <ldlework> A younger me would just dive into the code.
2015-05-13 02:47 <ldlework> The now me, likely will anyway ;P
2015-05-13 02:47 <BlueWall> Actually that is the best way
2015-05-13 02:47 <ldlework> I've learned a lot more this time around.
2015-05-13 02:48 <BlueWall> I have a region module example that is heavily commented, the prebuild.xml that goes with it and have logging to show the order of things.
2015-05-13 02:48 <ldlework> That would be awesome to see
2015-05-13 02:48 <ldlework> I still have to get opensim development environment setup
2015-05-13 02:48 <ldlework> BlueWall: have you used Docker at all?
2015-05-13 02:48 <BlueWall> That region module is the foundation for probably at least 80-85% of the code.
2015-05-13 02:48 <BlueWall> no
2015-05-13 02:49 <ldlework> I'm trying to set everything up in Docker
2015-05-13 02:49 <BlueWall> https://github.com/BlueWall/ExampleNonSharedRegionModule
2015-05-13 02:49 <ldlework> Have a sweet, repeatable, scalable ROBUST grid deployment system.
2015-05-13 02:50 <BlueWall> https://github.com/BlueWall/ExampleSharedRegionModule
2015-05-13 02:50 <nebadon> is it possible to get mono working in docker?
2015-05-13 02:50 <ldlework> nebadon: of course
2015-05-13 02:50 <BlueWall> I use virtual box a lot
2015-05-13 02:50 <BlueWall> have been looking at vagrant
2015-05-13 02:50 <ldlework> BlueWall: cool, you might like Docker then
2015-05-13 02:50 <ldlework> Its like virtualmachines with no overhead
2015-05-13 02:50 <ldlework> There's no virtualization, just an abstraction around the process and the serialization of its environment
2015-05-13 02:50 <BlueWall> but, it is a web service?
2015-05-13 02:50 <ldlework> No
2015-05-13 02:50 <ldlework> Its a linux container engine
2015-05-13 02:51 <BlueWall> that I run on my local network?
2015-05-13 02:51 <ldlework> BlueWall: think more like a chroot
2015-05-13 02:51 <ldlework> for a single process
2015-05-13 02:51 <BlueWall> ok
2015-05-13 02:51 <ldlework> so the process has its own filesystem, networking, memory and cpu quotas
2015-05-13 02:51 <ldlework> it believes its the only process on the system
2015-05-13 02:51 <ldlework> but it shares the kernel with the host
2015-05-13 02:51 <ldlework> so you have incidential process isolation, with none of the overhead of a VM
2015-05-13 02:51 <nebadon> ah so you dont need mono running in the vm itself
2015-05-13 02:52 <nebadon> it just uses the hosts mono?
2015-05-13 02:52 <ldlework> like, it boots up as fast as a normal process, because it is a normal process
2015-05-13 02:52 <ldlework> Just namespaced by the kernel
2015-05-13 02:52 <ldlework> So you can't run windows on linux and stuff like that
2015-05-13 02:52 <ldlework> But you can create docker images which are like... applications packaged with their ideal environment
2015-05-13 02:52 <ldlework> IE, you can do "docker run -it mono:latest bash"
2015-05-13 02:52 <BlueWall> I gneerally setup virtual machines so I have a host that I can do integration work on w/o having to bother the main host.
2015-05-13 02:53 <BlueWall> use virtualenv with python a lot too.
2015-05-13 02:53 <ldlework> and in a few minutes you'll be running bash in an ubuntu environment where everything for mono development is setup
2015-05-13 02:53 <ldlework> BlueWall: right, Docker gives you that host isolation without the virtualization
2015-05-13 02:53 <ldlework> So if you're doing linux ond linux, throw away the VM and get native speed.
2015-05-13 02:53 <BlueWall> I might look into it when I get a breather.
2015-05-13 02:53 <ldlework> 
ACTION nods.

2015-05-13 02:53 <nebadon> do the containers have to be the same linux as the host?
2015-05-13 02:53 <ldlework> I work for them, so maybe we can help each other out :D
2015-05-13 02:54 <BlueWall> I thought it was something that you share your work on the web
2015-05-13 02:54 <ldlework> nebadon: only the kernel is shared. So you can mix and match distros, but the kernel inside a contianer will be the same as the host.
2015-05-13 02:54 <BlueWall> oh cool
2015-05-13 02:54 <nebadon> cool ya we were breifly talking about it the other day i had brought it up
2015-05-13 02:54 <ldlework> Its not a security product, its like virtualenv but for arbitrary processes.
2015-05-13 02:54 <nebadon> but I had never actually looked to deeply into it
2015-05-13 02:54 <BlueWall> I will look at it. I have been looking at vagrant, but that seems to ahve a steep learning curve to implement it.
2015-05-13 02:54 <nebadon> just read a few articles
2015-05-13 02:55 <ldlework> There are already Docker images for OpenSim
2015-05-13 02:55 <ldlework> But only standalone
2015-05-13 02:55 <ldlework> So I wanna dockerize each service
2015-05-13 02:55 <ldlework> So you can easily deploy a cross-host distributed deployment of opensim real easy
2015-05-13 02:55 <BlueWall> but ...
2015-05-13 02:55 <nebadon> does it share the host network adapter?
2015-05-13 02:55 <nebadon> how does networking work?
2015-05-13 02:56 <ldlework> nebadon: a bridge is created
2015-05-13 02:56 <ldlework> but you have a lot of flexibility there
2015-05-13 02:56 <nebadon> ok so no nat
2015-05-13 02:56 <BlueWall> the work I do with virtual machines is doing integration work - so I ahve a whole machine there from boot to shutdown.
2015-05-13 02:56 <ldlework> lots of options
2015-05-13 02:56 <nebadon> bridge is good
2015-05-13 02:56 <ldlework> BlueWall: you can run an init process inside a container and treat it like a multi-process VM 
2015-05-13 02:56 <BlueWall> and I can create a network in my server with each vm talking to the others.
2015-05-13 02:56 <ldlework> BlueWall: sure, docker will do networking between containers
2015-05-13 02:56 <BlueWall> I will look at it for sure.
2015-05-13 02:56 <ldlework> docker run -it --link:some_other_container client
2015-05-13 02:57 <BlueWall> I misunderstood it's purpose when I heard about it.
2015-05-13 02:57 <ldlework> ^ run a container, and expose all the open ports and ip of "some_other_container" into this container
2015-05-13 02:57 <ldlework> So you'l have environment variables like
2015-05-13 02:57 <ldlework> $SOME_OTHER_CONTAINER_TCP_PORT_5432_ADDR
2015-05-13 02:57 <ldlework> to get the ip of a linked Postgres container
2015-05-13 02:57 <ldlework> You can then interpolate this environment variable into your opensim configuration
2015-05-13 02:58 <BlueWall> hmmm
2015-05-13 02:58 <ldlework> And now suddenly you have an opensim that can utilize an arbitrary database service running in another container
2015-05-13 02:58 <ldlework> Its the future. I quit my job and moved across the country to work for these guys. :)
2015-05-13 02:58 <dahlia> docker sounds a lot like openvz
2015-05-13 02:58 <BlueWall> I dunno, I'll look at it. and it might be useful for some things - maybe like I use virtualenv for python.
2015-05-13 02:59 <ldlework> dahlia: yes they are the same kind of thing
2015-05-13 02:59 <dahlia> I used to use openvz with opensim
2015-05-13 02:59 <ldlework> BlueWall: yeah you can think of docker like, kernel level virtualenv for arbitrary linux processes
2015-05-13 02:59 <dahlia> now I prefer a shared filesystem :)
2015-05-13 02:59 <dahlia> much more efficient
2015-05-13 02:59 <ldlework> with a lot of stuff around it for distribution and linking
2015-05-13 03:00 <ldlework> dahlia: how does a shared filesystem supplaint linux containers?
2015-05-13 03:00 <dahlia> because processes can share files
2015-05-13 03:00 <ldlework> dahlia: in your mind, is the purpose of linux containers to share files between processes?
2015-05-13 03:01 <dahlia> hmmm?
2015-05-13 03:01 <ldlework> you said "I used to use linux containers (openvz) but now I use shared filesystems"
2015-05-13 03:01 <dahlia> ldlework: in my mind the purpose of containers is to ease configuration and distribution and packaging of applications
2015-05-13 03:02 <ldlework> definitely
2015-05-13 03:02 <ldlework> I was asking how shared filesystem supplant those characteristics
2015-05-13 03:02 <dahlia> not necessarily to have them run in the most efficient manor
2015-05-13 03:02 <ldlework> dahlia: With docker (and I think openvz) sharing filesystem data between containers is just volume mounts.
2015-05-13 03:02 <dahlia> for example, a shared asset cache
2015-05-13 03:03 <ldlework> There's no overhead.
2015-05-13 03:03 <dahlia> yes volume mounts might do that
2015-05-13 03:03 <ldlework> And this is only one aspect, sharing adata.
2015-05-13 03:03 <ldlework> There's also distribution, isolation, cross-host networking, and so on
2015-05-13 03:05 <dahlia> and I did not say "I used to use linux containers (openvz) but now I use shared filesystems"
2015-05-13 03:05 <dahlia> I said I let processes share the filesystem for efficiency
2015-05-13 03:05 <dahlia> theres a subtle difference
2015-05-13 03:05 <ldlework> dahlia | I used to use openvz with opensim 
2015-05-13 03:05 <ldlework> dahlia | now I prefer a shared filesystem :)
2015-05-13 03:05 <ldlework> That seems to connotate a replacement
2015-05-13 03:06 <ldlework> Sorry.
2015-05-13 03:08 <dahlia> anyway, its probably not realistic to ever expect the wiki documentation to be up to date or anywhere near extensive enough to use to design a scripting engine. There are many interfaces in the code to facilitate alternate script engines tho, and a extensive understanding of the code would be necessary to be successful. In that case, "the code is the documentation"
2015-05-13 03:09 <ldlework> I don't need documentation to lead me all the way to modifying the scripting engine
2015-05-13 03:09 <dahlia> good :)
2015-05-13 03:09 <ldlework> However, a basic level of documentation of the project itself, to orient new developers to lower the bar in getting started?
2015-05-13 03:10 <ldlework> That'd be pretty useful and skip using a lot of my finite lifetime on lessons many times learned.
2015-05-13 03:10 <BlueWall> ldlework, look at those links I pasted for the example region modules ...
2015-05-13 03:10 <dahlia> there may be some, probably not up to date. Justin Clark-Casey's master's thesis should be online somewhere and may help
2015-05-13 03:10 <BlueWall> there is a little documetation about script engine modules on the wiki. 
2015-05-13 03:11 <dahlia> but I would expect any documentation to be either out of date or incomplete or just plain wrong
2015-05-13 03:11 <BlueWall> between that and the code - other things are related to xengine, but simpler are in there.
2015-05-13 03:11 <dahlia> or all of the above
2015-05-13 03:12 <nebadon> ya generally by the time we get done documenting stuff, someone starts to refactor it
2015-05-13 03:12 <ldlework> dahlia: the core infrastructure changes a lot?
2015-05-13 03:12 <nebadon> good way to actually get a refactor going
2015-05-13 03:12 <BlueWall> Then when you get specific questions, might ping Melanie who authored xengine
2015-05-13 03:12 <nebadon> start documenting it
2015-05-13 03:12 <nebadon> :P
2015-05-13 03:12 <dahlia> ldlework: in some ways, yes
2015-05-13 03:12 <ldlework> What was the most recent?
2015-05-13 03:12 <dahlia> lol
2015-05-13 03:12 <BlueWall> inventory
2015-05-13 03:13 <dahlia> git log shoould provide a very accurate form of documentation for changes :)
2015-05-13 03:13 <ldlework> the way inventory is handled was recently overhauled?
2015-05-13 03:13 <BlueWall> yes
2015-05-13 03:13 <ldlework> Did that cause a lot of trouble for viewers?
2015-05-13 03:13 <BlueWall> no it fixed issues
2015-05-13 03:13 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit is handy
2015-05-13 03:13 <dahlia> there were user complaints
2015-05-13 03:14 <nebadon> for looking at the git log
2015-05-13 03:14 <BlueWall> look at opensim as a kit ...
2015-05-13 03:14 <ldlework> BlueWall: so viewers didn't have to do anything to change how they interact with opensim regarding inventories?
2015-05-13 03:14 <BlueWall> several have forks that have private work. some monor, some major.
2015-05-13 03:15 <BlueWall> OpenSim is the common work between us all.
2015-05-13 03:15 <BlueWall> The changes were to work in a more effecient way with the viewer.
2015-05-13 03:15 <ldlework> Its nice when you can do a major overhaul of some subsystem and clients don't have to make any changes.
2015-05-13 03:15 <dahlia> ldlework: we usually try to implement and fix things all on the server side as there are many different viewers and their development is out of our control
2015-05-13 03:16 <dahlia> there have been a few exceptions but that's the general way it works
2015-05-13 03:16 <ldlework> It sounds like the documentation on how viewers interact with the inventory subsystem would have been safe though.
2015-05-13 03:16 <BlueWall> don't know how long you have been around - but OpenSim was developed without viewer sources 
2015-05-13 03:16 <BlueWall> the viewer was a black box until about 3 years ago.
2015-05-13 03:16 <dahlia> ldlework: there probably isnt any documentation on how viewers interact with inventory servers.
2015-05-13 03:16 <ldlework> That's basically my point.
2015-05-13 03:17 <BlueWall> If we looked at viewer code, we were banned from making contributions to OpenSim for 6 months.
2015-05-13 03:17 <dahlia> often these protocols are discovered by observing network traffic between viewers and Second Life
2015-05-13 03:17 <ldlework> oh brother
2015-05-13 03:17 <nebadon> there are some good tools for that
2015-05-13 03:17 <nebadon> gridproxy
2015-05-13 03:17 <ldlework> dahlia: is that the case now that opensim implements it?
2015-05-13 03:17 <nebadon> part of libomv
2015-05-13 03:18 <dahlia> ldlework: it's often still the case, yes
2015-05-13 03:18 <ldlework> Surely, what it does, could be documented.
2015-05-13 03:18 <ldlework> API's are generally not the hardest thing to document.
2015-05-13 03:18 <BlueWall> The viewer license being GPL caused concern that it would override the BSD license of OpenSim
2015-05-13 03:18 <dahlia> ldlework: documentation, like patches, is most welcome :)
2015-05-13 03:18 <ldlework> And could encourage say, html5 based viewers and so on
2015-05-13 03:18 <BlueWall> dahlia's department :)
2015-05-13 03:18 <ldlework> I'm just saying, it sounds like there is a cultural valuation problem with regards to documentation
2015-05-13 03:19 <nebadon> the LL stuff is generally not suited for much other than the LL viewers
2015-05-13 03:19 <dahlia> ldlework: you wont see a html viewer using existing Second Life protocols 
2015-05-13 03:19 <nebadon> stuff like that needs new protocols
2015-05-13 03:19 <ldlework> dahlia: you can use proxies to make up for udp and the like. Not sure what other constraint you're getting at.
2015-05-13 03:19 <nebadon> not if you like speed
2015-05-13 03:19 <dahlia> ldlework: yes Ive done just that
2015-05-13 03:20 <dahlia> I've also created new protocols which are implemented in OpenSim modules
2015-05-13 03:20 <ldlework> nebadon: WebRTC is pretty low-everhead.
2015-05-13 03:21 <ldlework> But its besides the point. Not only do you have to solve the specific problem of the innovation you want to create, you have rediscover literally everything about the codebase from almost scratch too.
2015-05-13 03:21 <dahlia> ldlework: there is no cultural problem. It's a problem of no resources and very little community support
2015-05-13 03:21 <nebadon> yea its a small community of developers
2015-05-13 03:22 <nebadon> with zero funds
2015-05-13 03:22 <ldlework> dahlia: it is though. Its not like I'm in highschool with unlimted freetime. I still submit documenttion and unit tests with my contributions to open source.
2015-05-13 03:22 <dahlia> ldlework: as do we when we're able
2015-05-13 03:22 <ldlework> Again, if you've ever submitted two or more patches in your life to opensim
2015-05-13 03:22 <ldlework> You had time to instead submit one better patch.
2015-05-13 03:23 <ldlework> Or any software project.
2015-05-13 03:23 <dahlia> ldlework: and it's been a few years and a few lengthy software engineering gigs since I've been in high school
2015-05-13 03:23 <ldlework> I'm just saying, we're all short on time.
2015-05-13 03:23 <ldlework> Those 'other people' who are going to document your work, those unlimited highschool students, they're never coming.
2015-05-13 03:24 <dahlia> ldlework: you can accept the fact that the code is ahead of the documentation and use that knowledge to be successful, or you can sit here complaining about it and not get anything done. Your choice.
2015-05-13 03:24 <ldlework> The people who contribute to the most popular projects on github, vs opensim contributors must live in different societies with different expectations on how many hours there are in a day.
2015-05-13 03:25 <ldlework> I'm sorry, I don't mean to be impolite but I didn't expect to argue about the premise of documentation itself.
2015-05-13 03:25 <nebadon> well most of the most popular projects on github
2015-05-13 03:25 <nebadon> alot of those people get paid large sums of money for thier work too
2015-05-13 03:25 <dahlia> the most popular projects have a wealth of contributors. We dont.
2015-05-13 03:25 <ldlework> But why?
2015-05-13 03:25 <nebadon> yea that too
2015-05-13 03:26 <dahlia> ldlework: perhaps you should find a more perfect project to contribute to
2015-05-13 03:26 <nebadon> even if we documented everything, you need a lot of experience with how the software works as well and look at the code for quite a long time
2015-05-13 03:26 <nebadon> and its not as if we dont document anything
2015-05-13 03:27 <ldlework> Definitely, but we already went over how documentation is about orientation and reference.
2015-05-13 03:27 <BlueWall> I think there is enough to get started
2015-05-13 03:27 <ldlework> Not telling you how to implement what you want to implement.
2015-05-13 03:27 <BlueWall> granted we haven't written a book
2015-05-13 03:27 <nebadon> well that is one reason a lot of us monitor IRC
2015-05-13 03:27 <nebadon> and the email lists
2015-05-13 03:27 <ldlework> BlueWall: Okay, as a recent professional developer looking to get into OpenSim I'm flabbergasted at how little the wiki presents.
2015-05-13 03:27 <nebadon> if you have questions you can ask
2015-05-13 03:27 <ldlework> But I guess we just have to take each other at face value on that.
2015-05-13 03:27 <nebadon> and we can try to guide you
2015-05-13 03:27 <nebadon> its worked quite well for us to this point
2015-05-13 03:27 <BlueWall> look at those example modules ...
2015-05-13 03:28 <ldlework> nebadon: well I definitely appreciate that
2015-05-13 03:28 <nebadon> 1/2 a million lines of code didnt write itself
2015-05-13 03:28 <dahlia> ldlework: what exists is reality. If you want to be successful developing OpenSim, you're just going to have to become familiar with the code.
2015-05-13 03:28 <ldlework> BlueWall: I still have them open, I'm definitely going to
2015-05-13 03:28 <BlueWall> see how the code is laid out
2015-05-13 03:28 <BlueWall> come back and ask questions
2015-05-13 03:28 <BlueWall> be interactive
2015-05-13 03:28 <ldlework> dahlia: If you see this as some fantasizing about me wanting to snap my fingers and get what I want, please give me more benefit of the doubt
2015-05-13 03:28 <nebadon> unlike a lot of big projects
2015-05-13 03:28 <ldlework> I'm giving you impartial advice
2015-05-13 03:28 <nebadon> the people who are involved will answer questions
2015-05-13 03:28 <nebadon> and help test
2015-05-13 03:28 <nebadon> instead of saying go RTFM
2015-05-13 03:29 <nebadon> and never talking to you again
2015-05-13 03:29 <ldlework> I'm trying to just raise awareness to an issue and I'm getting a certain response which I've also bothered to say some things about
2015-05-13 03:29 <dahlia> ldlework: and we're trying to help you be successful
2015-05-13 03:29 <dahlia> reality is what it is
2015-05-13 03:29 <ldlework> I've already acknowledged that diving into the code is what will do
2015-05-13 03:29 <BlueWall> we are aware many times over :)
2015-05-13 03:29 <nebadon> one way to change the system
2015-05-13 03:29 <nebadon> is to lead by example
2015-05-13 03:29 <nebadon> :P
2015-05-13 03:29 <ldlework> BlueWall: not sure, there seem to be a lot of excuses
2015-05-13 03:29 <ldlework> rather than a determiniation to do better in the future
2015-05-13 03:29 <ldlework> I haven't seen anyone take responsibility or anything like that
2015-05-13 03:30 <dahlia> ldlework: if you want to just sit here and insult us, you'll juet get less help
2015-05-13 03:30 <dahlia> *just
2015-05-13 03:30 <ldlework> Which is okay, fine, it is what it is.
2015-05-13 03:30 <ldlework> I'm not trying to *insult* you.
2015-05-13 03:30 <ldlework> dahlia: you're trying so hard to escalate, I don't know why
2015-05-13 03:30 <nebadon> there is a ton of examples and commenting in the code as well
2015-05-13 03:30 <nebadon> you kind of just have to dive in
2015-05-13 03:30 <nebadon> but understanding the code is only 1/2 of it
2015-05-13 03:30 <ldlework> Lets say it a few more times.
2015-05-13 03:30 <ldlework> The bit about diving in :)
2015-05-13 03:31 <nebadon> learning how to actually use the software is also time consuming
2015-05-13 03:31 <ldlework> nebadon: no doubt
2015-05-13 03:31 <nebadon> there is alot of documention on the SL wiki too
2015-05-13 03:31 <nebadon> that relates 1:1 to whats going on here
2015-05-13 03:31 <ldlework> nebadon: no doubt there's enough to get by, people do obviously
2015-05-13 03:31 <nebadon> and honestly even for those of us who have been here 8 years now
2015-05-13 03:32 <nebadon> im still trying to figure it out
2015-05-13 03:32 <nebadon> i still dont have even close to what would be a full understanding
2015-05-13 03:32 <dahlia> none of us do
2015-05-13 03:32 <BlueWall> ++
2015-05-13 03:32 <nebadon> its very complicated stuff
2015-05-13 03:32 <ldlework> Good thing we're just going to put it on that one guy who comes into the channel wondering what the hell is going on with documentation on this project
2015-05-13 03:33 <ldlework> "Hey guy we accept patches"
2015-05-13 03:33 <nebadon> its not something even a skilled developer can look at and go
2015-05-13 03:33 <nebadon> ok this makes sense
2015-05-13 03:33 <ldlework> Not that any of us 8 year maintainers could do it ourselves
2015-05-13 03:33 <nebadon> and just starting writing code
2015-05-13 03:33 <ldlework> but you, hey, if you've got the time
2015-05-13 03:33 <ldlework> Forgive me if I'm slightly bewildered at that attitude.
2015-05-13 03:33 <ldlework> Perhaps if you want to ever get to a point where the project is even minimally documented
2015-05-13 03:33 <nebadon> it is minimally documented
2015-05-13 03:34 <nebadon> for you to say that leads me to beleive your not really looking
2015-05-13 03:34 <ldlework> Do things other projects have done in the past, any of those things really, other than "we'll just get the next guy who complains about it to feel guilty enough to do it"
2015-05-13 03:34 <ldlework> nebadon: point me to anything substantial about XEngine
2015-05-13 03:34 <dahlia> ldlework: forgive us if we seem incompetent. It's a difficult endeavour and we do what we can to make it work
2015-05-13 03:34 <nebadon> how can you look at the wiki and say its not even minimally documented
2015-05-13 03:34 <nebadon> thats just nonsense
2015-05-13 03:34 <ldlework> that tells me *anything* that isnt' a superficial summary of what it might be
2015-05-13 03:34 <ldlework> wehre it is in the code, what it does specifically, even at a highlevel
2015-05-13 03:34 <BlueWall> We're Jedi - "Use the source Luke."
2015-05-13 03:35 <ldlework> Okay, well don't pretend.
2015-05-13 03:35 <dahlia> ldlework: what brought you to OpenSim?
2015-05-13 03:35 <nebadon> we used to have doxygen going
2015-05-13 03:35 <nebadon> whatever happened to that?
2015-05-13 03:35 <nebadon> it shouldnt be hard to get doxygen going though
2015-05-13 03:35 <BlueWall> it works on the local machine
2015-05-13 03:35 <ldlework> dahlia: are you going to attack my right to even have this conversation. Please dude, stop making me an enemy.
2015-05-13 03:35 <BlueWall> you can build the class documentation with it -
2015-05-13 03:35 <nebadon> you might find that useful idlework
2015-05-13 03:36 <dahlia> ldlework: I asked a simple question. If you cant handle it, that's your problem.
2015-05-13 03:36 <ldlework> dahlia: its in a line of aggressive remarks.
2015-05-13 03:36 <BlueWall> Honestly, I have looked at several opensource projects and they are really no better than us at documentation.
2015-05-13 03:36 <BlueWall> Now, Django gets A++
2015-05-13 03:36 <ldlework> if you say so
2015-05-13 03:36 <dahlia> ldlework: if you want to see aggressive remarks, I suggest you look at the IRC log at all of your remarks
2015-05-13 03:37 <smxy> Blender? The GIMP? Apache anything?
2015-05-13 03:37 <ldlework> dahlia: aggression and criticism are different
2015-05-13 03:37 <ldlework> "if you can't handle it that's your problem"
2015-05-13 03:37 <dahlia> ldlework: in your case you do a good job of mixing them
2015-05-13 03:37 <nebadon> the code is organized quite well too
2015-05-13 03:37 <nebadon> it shouldnt be hard with grep to find stuff
2015-05-13 03:37 <dahlia> now do you want to have a civil conversation or not?
2015-05-13 03:39 <nebadon> there is some stuff about xengine here > http://opensimulator.org/wiki/ScriptEngines
2015-05-13 03:39 <BlueWall> Ok, we don't have the best documentation, but we do have some and you can usually get an answer here or in the mailing lists.
2015-05-13 03:39 <nebadon> not sure its 100% to date
2015-05-13 03:40 <BlueWall> Depends on what yo want to do. 
2015-05-13 03:40 <nebadon> but xengine hasnt changed much in quite a long time
2015-05-13 03:40 <ldlework> i've read it.
2015-05-13 03:40 <nebadon> its definitely due for a refactoring
2015-05-13 03:40 <ldlework> BlueWall: sure, I've agreed to that observation a few times
2015-05-13 03:40 <BlueWall> Any proficient developer can get a good start here.
2015-05-13 03:40 <BlueWall> And can make really good contributions to the project.
2015-05-13 03:40 <BlueWall> And have.
2015-05-13 03:41 <nebadon> idlework it says on that page where the code exists
2015-05-13 03:41 <nebadon> so if you read it
2015-05-13 03:41 <nebadon> why are you saying that you cant find that
2015-05-13 03:41 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-13 03:41 <nebadon> it cant really be much more clear
2015-05-13 03:41 <ldlework> nebadon: yes, this is the pristine example of how to document a component in your software
2015-05-13 03:41 <nebadon> yes but it also completely negates your argument
2015-05-13 03:42 <ldlework> Yes because one thing I said is where the code is.
2015-05-13 03:42 <nebadon> that we dont have minimal documentation
2015-05-13 03:42 <nebadon> the one thing you pick
2015-05-13 03:42 <nebadon> is very clearly documented
2015-05-13 03:43 <nebadon> the code is pretty well layed out if you ask me
2015-05-13 03:43 <nebadon> there is just an incredible amount of it
2015-05-13 03:43 <ldlework> nebadon: mentioning where the code is a single thing you could mention in documentation
2015-05-13 03:43 <ldlework> nebadon: lets count the number of major components in opensim that have this *single* aspect of what you might include in good documentation
2015-05-13 03:43 <ldlework> and compare that number to those that dont
2015-05-13 03:44 <ldlework> and to the number of componetns not documented whatsoever on the wiki
2015-05-13 03:44 <ldlework> why are you so defensive
2015-05-13 03:44 <ldlework> BlueWall has it. The documentation sucks, yeah, sorry, use the code and ask here, we'll help.
2015-05-13 03:44 <ldlework> I said, cool that's agreeabe.
2015-05-13 03:44 <ldlework> what's crazy is your denial.
2015-05-13 03:44 <dahlia> This is a community project. Many people used to help with the wiki, unfortunately these days often people choose to document things on their blogs or in youtube tutorials rather than help with the wiki
2015-05-13 03:44 <ldlework> Okay fine
2015-05-13 03:44 <nebadon> I am not denying anything
2015-05-13 03:44 <ldlework> Its a community project, I already agreed.
2015-05-13 03:44 <nebadon> you asked me to point you to one page about xengine
2015-05-13 03:45 <nebadon> that shows you where the code is
2015-05-13 03:45 <nebadon> and it literally took me 10 seconds to do that
2015-05-13 03:45 <ldlework> Yes, as if my whole point about documentation falls on this single page.
2015-05-13 03:45 <ldlework> nebadon: please point to any other component where the code is listed - a single aspect of what 'good' documentation does
2015-05-13 03:45 <ldlework> It doesn't equate.
2015-05-13 03:46 <ldlework> Even if you found it you wont find it for each component you ight be interested
2015-05-13 03:46 <ldlework> Let alone, whether merely mentioning where int he code you might find the component constitutes good documentation.
2015-05-13 03:47 <ldlework> I'll make sure to dance around the shortcomings in the project going forward - sorry.
2015-05-13 03:47 <dahlia> this is a very unproductive conversation. I am going afk. ldlework, I wish you good luck with whatever you are trying to accomplish.
2015-05-13 03:47 <nebadon> yea i get the distince feeling you just like to argue
2015-05-13 03:48 <nebadon> so good luck, im out too
2015-05-13 03:48 <nebadon> I doubt i could ever provide an answer that would satisfy you
2015-05-13 03:48 <ldlework> yes because I'm the one who so badly needed to admit to bad documentation, then defend it, then admit to it, then defend it, all the while I'm agreeing that its a community projec,t you need to dive into the code, and so on
2015-05-13 03:49 <ldlework> nebadon: I was satifisfied ages ago. Its your cyclical denial that the documentation could be better that I continue to respond to.
2015-05-13 03:49 <nebadon> I never said that
2015-05-13 03:49 <nebadon> your nuts
2015-05-13 03:50 <nebadon> your the one who said we dont have minimal documentation
2015-05-13 03:50 <nebadon> I was just showing you we do
2015-05-13 03:51 <nebadon> and honestly if this is what its like to work with you I am not interested
2015-05-13 03:58 <ldlework> interesting the reactions I'm getting in private, too bad none of them will speak up in here
2015-05-13 03:59 <nebadon> I dont mind listening to anything anyone has to say
2015-05-13 03:59 <nebadon> but if your going to accuse me of saying something i didnt say
2015-05-13 03:59 <ldlework> nebadon: notes or documentation? you've made your valuation, okay. I've heard you. sorry if I touched a nerve.
2015-05-13 03:59 <nebadon> then dont even bother trying to discuss with me
2015-05-13 03:59 <ldlework> Its not a misquoting we disagree about what it means to be minimally documented.
2015-05-13 03:59 <ldlework> You think having one module, happen to mention where in the code the module is, is 'minimally documented'
2015-05-13 03:59 <ldlework> good for you
2015-05-13 04:00 <ldlework> I'm not a terrible person for thinking this is a very low, and frankly incomprehenisble bar for 'minimally documented'
2015-05-13 04:00 <nebadon> again you are putting words in my mouth
2015-05-13 04:00 <ldlework> nebadon: that was your proof that opensim is minimally documented
2015-05-13 04:00 <ldlework> that the xengine page lists where in the code you can find it
2015-05-13 04:00 <nebadon> dude you asked me to point you to where xengine was documented
2015-05-13 04:00 <nebadon> i did that
2015-05-13 04:01 <nebadon> fine your right
2015-05-13 04:01 <ldlework> and now you're pointing at that and saying "look, opensim is minimally documented!"
2015-05-13 04:01 <nebadon> find someone else to argue with
2015-05-13 04:01 <nebadon> i have better things to do
2015-05-13 04:01 <ldlework> lol okay, sorry man
2015-05-13 04:01 <nebadon> this kind of confrontatonal attitude is not good man
2015-05-13 04:01 <nebadon> trying to prove everyone wrong
2015-05-13 04:01 <ldlework> lol
2015-05-13 04:02 <nebadon> even if your right
2015-05-13 04:02 <nebadon> i dont want to even talk to you anymore
2015-05-13 04:02 <BlueWall> I don't think any of the viewer projects have documentation
2015-05-13 04:02 <ldlework> When BlueWall decided to be reasonable, I agreed with him no problem
2015-05-13 04:02 <ldlework> BlueWall: and I bet its just as hard to get started with those projects too
2015-05-13 04:02 <BlueWall> It is
2015-05-13 04:02 <nebadon> so dont expect anymore answers from me
2015-05-13 04:02 <BlueWall> But
2015-05-13 04:02 <ldlework> BlueWall: okay, so nothing else to say? no need to argue? it is what it is?
2015-05-13 04:02 <BlueWall> the difference is, if you go there to ask - they tell you basically to fuck off
2015-05-13 04:02 <ldlework> BlueWall: haha
2015-05-13 04:02 <nebadon> arguing semantics doesnt change a thing
2015-05-13 04:02 <BlueWall> here we will at least try to help 
2015-05-13 04:02 <ldlework> BlueWall: I'm kind of feeling that right now
2015-05-13 04:03 <BlueWall> nope
2015-05-13 04:03 <ldlework> BlueWall: I believe you. I think I just touched a nerve.
2015-05-13 04:03 <LightDrake> BlueWall: The viewer is largely undocumented, but is much easier to dive into.
2015-05-13 04:03 <BlueWall> if you want to find out about things, ask and we will help
2015-05-13 04:03 <nebadon> seriously
2015-05-13 04:03 <ldlework> BlueWall: I trust you.
2015-05-13 04:03 <nebadon> the viewer is easier to dive into?
2015-05-13 04:03 <ldlework> BlueWall: you've been helpful already.
2015-05-13 04:03 <notskittles> yes, it is.
2015-05-13 04:03 <BlueWall> if you want to damn us all to hell for not writing documentation, that's another story.
2015-05-13 04:03 <nebadon> ive never heard anyone say that, not arguing it
2015-05-13 04:04 <BlueWall> I will admit that the docs are not the greatest.
2015-05-13 04:04 <nebadon> ive heard mostly the opposite of that
2015-05-13 04:04 <ldlework> BlueWall: that's all I was trying to say
2015-05-13 04:04 <nebadon> i cant speak from experience
2015-05-13 04:04 <BlueWall> but, they are a hell of a lot better than anything you will find on the viewer 
2015-05-13 04:04 <BlueWall> And that is the problem we face ...
2015-05-13 04:04 <notskittles> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Viewer_architecture
2015-05-13 04:04 <ldlework> BlueWall: when I was met with excuse, I pointed out that other people don't have the same self appologies
2015-05-13 04:04 <ldlework> with similar resources
2015-05-13 04:04 <LightDrake> notskittles: I didn't even know that page existed @_@
2015-05-13 04:04 <ldlework> I was only merely pointing out that there isn't anything fundamental about opensim
2015-05-13 04:05 <BlueWall> until someone wants to implement an OpenSim viewer and actually work with us that is just the way it is.
2015-05-13 04:05 <nebadon> lol LightDrake
2015-05-13 04:05 <BlueWall> hi notskittles o/
2015-05-13 04:05 <LightDrake> And i've been at this for a great many years too. v.v 
2015-05-13 04:05 <notskittles> hi
2015-05-13 04:06 <BlueWall> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Development
2015-05-13 04:06 <BlueWall> << but I will admin that UGAIM is documented there :)
2015-05-13 04:06 <BlueWall> admit** 
2015-05-13 04:07 <nebadon> alot here too > http://opensimulator.org/wiki/User_Documentation
2015-05-13 04:08 <ldlework> BlueWall: yeah that page is a bit of a tease. A lot of the pages linked to by that raise more questions than they answer.
2015-05-13 04:08 <BlueWall> Yes, but there are good ones there too
2015-05-13 04:08 <ldlework> Many don't consist more than a few paragraphs. But anyway, I've been through the wiki, I promise.
2015-05-13 04:08 <BlueWall> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Codebase_overview is not bad
2015-05-13 04:08 <ldlework> We're arguing about thresholds.
2015-05-13 04:08 <notskittles> viewer documentation was a lot more up to date when linden lab had actual engineers working for them. :P
2015-05-13 04:08 <ldlework> There is non-zero documentation.
2015-05-13 04:09 <ldlework> This is one of the better pages, I found, http://opensimulator.org/wiki/IRegionModule
2015-05-13 04:09 <ldlework> Worth bookmarking
2015-05-13 04:11 <BlueWall> if you understand the region module, then that is about 80% or better of it.
2015-05-13 04:11 <BlueWall> Then with the overview of the namespace, you can find other modules that you can call frmo yours.
2015-05-13 04:12 <BlueWall> just below the region modules, we have a few plugins that do things - one of which is the region module loader.
2015-05-13 04:12 <ldlework> I think the tricky thing here, is, that, I'm not confused how to contribute to projects that don't have great documentation.
2015-05-13 04:12 <ldlework> You guys keep trying to explain what there is and how that's sufficient.
2015-05-13 04:12 <ldlework> I get it. I've contributed to worse.
2015-05-13 04:13 <ldlework> This doesn't change the fundamental observation that it raises the bar for contribution and that may have consequences for OpenSim.
2015-05-13 04:13 <ldlework> That's all.
2015-05-13 04:13 <ldlework> When you admit to the lacking documentation, I'm on board.
2015-05-13 04:13 <ldlework> When you say you'll have to use the code, and ask questions, I'm on board.
2015-05-13 04:13 <nebadon> I don't disagree with that at all, and I never said documentation was enough or perfect
2015-05-13 04:14 <ldlework> But I don't know what responses you expect from me, when it carries on with this other stuff.
2015-05-13 04:14 <nebadon> but there is quite a bit that can get you started that was my only point
2015-05-13 04:14 <dahlia> I dont think anyone tried to say it was sufficient, rather it's just what exist and should be taken with a grain of salt or two (or stronger drugs if necessary)
2015-05-13 04:14 <ldlework> nebadon: Yep, and there's no need to come to an impasse about thresholds.
2015-05-13 04:14 <nebadon> unfortunately the code is always a head of the documentation here that is not new
2015-05-13 04:14 <nebadon> even when IBM and Intel was working on it
2015-05-13 04:14 <nebadon> that didnt change that a bit
2015-05-13 04:15 <dahlia> nope, the code has always been ahead
2015-05-13 04:15 <ldlework> I doubt that IBM and Intel tried to impose their own internal standards on an external open source project, sure.
2015-05-13 04:15 <nebadon> sure they did
2015-05-13 04:15 <ldlework> Okay, well good for them I guess.
2015-05-13 04:15 <nebadon> but that was very early on
2015-05-13 04:15 <nebadon> things were changing like 50 times a day
2015-05-13 04:15 <dahlia> Intel was more recent
2015-05-13 04:15 <BlueWall> IBM was the main reason for us not being able to look at viewer code.
2015-05-13 04:15 <nebadon> it was nearly impossibe to document anything at that stage
2015-05-13 04:16 <nebadon> we are reverse engineering protocols
2015-05-13 04:16 <nebadon> with virually know knowledge how it was originally don
2015-05-13 04:16 <BlueWall> I guess one could argue that you need to create the documentation first, then code against that ...
2015-05-13 04:16 <nebadon> lots of guessing
2015-05-13 04:16 <ldlework> I come from a reverse engineering community.
2015-05-13 04:16 <dahlia> this started as a "clean room implementation"
2015-05-13 04:16 <nebadon> guessing means lots of changing
2015-05-13 04:16 <ldlework> Documentation has always been insanely valuable.
2015-05-13 04:16 <nebadon> have you looked at Libomv at all?
2015-05-13 04:17 <nebadon> this breaks down the protocols
2015-05-13 04:17 <ldlework> The need to avoid having people who are willing to do work, do work that has already been done, is a crisis.
2015-05-13 04:17 <ldlework> Because the problems are so hard.
2015-05-13 04:17 <nebadon> generally when smoeone is going to do anything significant we try to talk through alot of those changes
2015-05-13 04:18 <nebadon> because we dont want people doing a lot of work that will ultimately be rejected
2015-05-13 04:18 <nebadon> the email list
2015-05-13 04:18 <nebadon> here on iRC
2015-05-13 04:19 <nebadon> large refactors are nearly impossible without really looking very closely at a lot of the code
2015-05-13 04:19 <ldlework> I know how refactoring works :(
2015-05-13 04:19 <BlueWall> we have the USDOD contributing patches now, an I don't think they are documenting anything on the wiki 
2015-05-13 04:19 <ldlework> BlueWall: so don't merge their patches
2015-05-13 04:19 <BlueWall> They are looking to develop a new physics engine.
2015-05-13 04:20 <dahlia> BlueWall: nope, and they had similar complaints about our lack of docs also
2015-05-13 04:20 <ldlework> BlueWall: that sounds like a bribe :P
2015-05-13 04:20 <nebadon> but ya I am all for better docs
2015-05-13 04:21 <nebadon> for a long time I tried to maintain pages on the wiki
2015-05-13 04:21 <nebadon> but stuff changed so fast
2015-05-13 04:21 <BlueWall> Justin does a good deal of work on the wiki, I have done some when I add something, but there are holes.
2015-05-13 04:21 <nebadon> that it became unsurmountable at times
2015-05-13 04:21 <BlueWall> you are right about that.
2015-05-13 04:21 <BlueWall> but, if you want to work on it, you will get support somehow.
2015-05-13 04:21 <BlueWall> many have
2015-05-13 04:21 <nebadon> I have my hands full with OSgrid, and Encitra Grid and Avacon Grid
2015-05-13 04:21 <nebadon> and OSCC grid
2015-05-13 04:21 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-13 04:22 <ldlework> A shared and communal cultural shift to valuing documentation, and leaning on each other to submit documentation with submitted work is how you get documentation.
2015-05-13 04:22 <ldlework> It isn't suggesting to the person who notices the docs are bad, that their documentation will be accepted if they submit it.
2015-05-13 04:22 <ldlework> I'm not avoiding the issue, I'm happy to participate in such a cultural shift once I get ramped up
2015-05-13 04:22 <ldlework> But OpenSim's health as a FOSS project isn't on me. I'm sorry.
2015-05-13 04:23 <nebadon> no one is disagreeing with you there, but its not just going to magically happen either
2015-05-13 04:23 <nebadon> the question is how and who and when with what time
2015-05-13 04:23 <ldlework> Of course not. Definitely if it hasn't happened this long in the timeline.
2015-05-13 04:23 <smxy> Speaking of Moses, did diva or anyone ever sufficiently acknowledge receipt of their CLA?
2015-05-13 04:24 <nebadon> yes
2015-05-13 04:24 <smxy> ok
2015-05-13 04:24 <nebadon> Melanie did it
2015-05-13 04:24 <nebadon> not sure if you guys saw too
2015-05-13 04:24 <nebadon> but I think Justin is probably not going to be around much anymore
2015-05-13 04:24 <nebadon> or contributing
2015-05-13 04:24 <smxy> oh?
2015-05-13 04:24 <nebadon> yea hes changing professions it seems
2015-05-13 04:24 <BlueWall> what's up?
2015-05-13 04:25 <nebadon> moving into different field of software dev
2015-05-13 04:25 <dahlia> oh?
2015-05-13 04:25 <dahlia> he has seemed very frustrated for the last several months
2015-05-13 04:25 <nebadon> he said he will make more official announcement about it soon
2015-05-13 04:25 <nebadon> well ya but I dont think its because of anything with opensim directly
2015-05-13 04:26 <nebadon> he probaly has burned out a bit though
2015-05-13 04:26 <nebadon> but I think its more about its just not very lucrative
2015-05-13 04:26 <dahlia> nope
2015-05-13 04:27 <dahlia> it's been more of a charity on my part, even tho that wasn't my intention when I first got involved
2015-05-13 04:27 <nebadon> anyway hes not completely walking away from opensimulatr
2015-05-13 04:27 <nebadon> but until he is more settled into his new work
2015-05-13 04:27 <nebadon> i doubt he will have any ime
2015-05-13 04:27 <nebadon> time*
2015-05-13 04:28 <dahlia> he get a new job?
2015-05-13 04:28 <nebadon> he didnt really say
2015-05-13 04:28 <BlueWall> maybe it will be good for him to get in a better financially stable position.
2015-05-13 04:28 <nebadon> just that he has decided to work fulltime on metaverse/opensimualtor stuff
2015-05-13 04:28 <nebadon> yea for sure
2015-05-13 04:28 <nebadon> and I have to admit ive considered it myself
2015-05-13 04:28 <BlueWall> he will work ft on OpenSim?
2015-05-13 04:29 <nebadon> he was 
2015-05-13 04:29 <nebadon> now he wont
2015-05-13 04:29 <smxy> you just said he decided to work ft on it
2015-05-13 04:29 <nebadon> oh sorry typo
2015-05-13 04:29 <nebadon> decided not to
2015-05-13 04:30 <nebadon> he and I worked on a couple of projects that were ultimately a huge waste of our time
2015-05-13 04:30 <BlueWall> I am able to work on it now, but the project consumes all my time.
2015-05-13 04:30 <nebadon> so I feel his pain
2015-05-13 04:30 <nebadon> i was right there with him for some of it
2015-05-13 04:30 <dahlia> I've been working nearly full time on related projects (custom viewers) for a few years now but I haven't had even the financial success that justin has had
2015-05-13 04:30 <nebadon> I was ready to throw in the towel myself
2015-05-13 04:31 <dahlia> I still plug away but with little expectation
2015-05-13 04:31 <dahlia> and much reduced time spent on it
2015-05-13 04:32 <nebadon> I think in some ways opensim and second life are a bit ahead of their time
2015-05-13 04:32 <BlueWall> ++
2015-05-13 04:32 <dahlia> heh
2015-05-13 04:32 <nebadon> people arent ready for it wide scale
2015-05-13 04:32 <nebadon> people think its cool, but soo many people just dont get it
2015-05-13 04:32 <BlueWall> I read that any brand new concept takes about 7 years to get grounded.
2015-05-13 04:32 <nebadon> like 9 out of 10 people in my expereince are like wtf
2015-05-13 04:32 <nebadon> this is nonsense
2015-05-13 04:32 <BlueWall> as complicated as it is, I think it takes longer.
2015-05-13 04:33 <nebadon> even as big and as popular as SL was
2015-05-13 04:33 <nebadon> i was never able to convince even 1 person to use it
2015-05-13 04:33 <nebadon> and i tried my ass off
2015-05-13 04:33 <BlueWall> haha
2015-05-13 04:33 <nebadon> my friends my family
2015-05-13 04:33 <nebadon> all think im nuts
2015-05-13 04:33 <dahlia> I was a clueless SL noob for at least 6 months
2015-05-13 04:33 <BlueWall> they were too busy feeding the pigs on Farmville
2015-05-13 04:33 <nebadon> they just can not grasp it
2015-05-13 04:33 <nebadon> that there is no real point
2015-05-13 04:34 <nebadon> no goal
2015-05-13 04:34 <nebadon> no reward
2015-05-13 04:34 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-13 04:34 <smxy> I think of it as IRC with pictures. :)
2015-05-13 04:34 <dahlia> I think the biggest thing about SL/OpenSim is the social aspect
2015-05-13 04:34 <BlueWall> it is immersive.
2015-05-13 04:34 <dahlia> however it tends to appeal to a select few
2015-05-13 04:34 <smxy> Yes. I don't get that people think it's a game. It's a visual chat room.
2015-05-13 04:35 <BlueWall> you "feel" the interaction between others more than IRC or web, etc.
2015-05-13 04:35 <nebadon> I really like what we are doing with it at Encitra
2015-05-13 04:35 <ldlework> I know lots of people who would like to use metaverse technology in AI space but find the existing systems too cumbersome. Its all too highly integrated. There exists no librarification of base metaverse functionality.
2015-05-13 04:35 <ldlework> OpenSim or anywhere else.
2015-05-13 04:35 <BlueWall> it is all connected to a viewer
2015-05-13 04:35 <nebadon> yea no one has even gotten close to nailing it
2015-05-13 04:35 <dahlia> OpenSim is very specialized
2015-05-13 04:36 <BlueWall> do whatever makes that viewer click
2015-05-13 04:36 <ldlework> Like, I know the developers of a programming language they're building it just so they can build metaverse technology.
2015-05-13 04:36 <dahlia> the community *expects* SL compatibility
2015-05-13 04:36 <smxy> I don't want to look through the window of the monitor into my world though. I want to be IN my world.
2015-05-13 04:36 <BlueWall> we have capability to add client stacks
2015-05-13 04:36 <ldlework> dahlia: yeah the social community
2015-05-13 04:36 <nebadon> even though SL is kludgy
2015-05-13 04:36 <ldlework> the academic community just wants to get shit done
2015-05-13 04:36 <nebadon> there is so much about it that is really great
2015-05-13 04:36 <BlueWall> what kind of shit?
2015-05-13 04:37 <nebadon> and things like BlueMars and Cloud Party and even now HighFidelity
2015-05-13 04:37 <nebadon> seem to be ignoring
2015-05-13 04:37 <nebadon> that made SL the blockbuster it was
2015-05-13 04:37 <dahlia> I think academics seem to do well with OpenSim
2015-05-13 04:37 <BlueWall> The college I worked in would probably like the virtual sex, lol
2015-05-13 04:37 <nebadon> the ability to collaberate
2015-05-13 04:37 <nebadon> all those platforms seem to remove that
2015-05-13 04:37 <dahlia> lol BlueWall
2015-05-13 04:38 <nebadon> now everyone wants DLC and sell you content
2015-05-13 04:38 <dahlia> DLC?
2015-05-13 04:38 <nebadon> ya like addons
2015-05-13 04:38 <nebadon> they make you buy the base game which literally is nothing but an interface
2015-05-13 04:38 <nebadon> then you have to buy all the content
2015-05-13 04:38 <nebadon> you cant make anything 
2015-05-13 04:38 <BlueWall> ldlework, what do acedemics want to do with metaverse technology?
2015-05-13 04:39 <nebadon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downloadable_content
2015-05-13 04:39 <nebadon> ^^DLC
2015-05-13 04:39 <dahlia> academics probably should be creating metaverse technology
2015-05-13 04:39 <BlueWall> diva is a professor @ UC Irvine
2015-05-13 04:40 <dahlia> ya she makes OpenSim part of her research
2015-05-13 04:40 <BlueWall> dahlia, Clemson University met with me a couple of times and I tried to talk practical applications with them.
2015-05-13 04:40 <nebadon> ive spoken to many-o-university
2015-05-13 04:40 <nebadon> i did a presentation at princeton not long ago
2015-05-13 04:40 <nebadon> many in Sweden
2015-05-13 04:40 <nebadon> San Jose State
2015-05-13 04:40 <BlueWall> I don't really know what they were after.
2015-05-13 04:40 <dahlia> Duke once asked me to do a class on metaverse, I declined
2015-05-13 04:40 <ldlework> BlueWall: the ones I know, agent/alife simulation
2015-05-13 04:41 <BlueWall> ldlework, opensim is modular and you can achieve that sort of thing ... 1 sec
2015-05-13 04:41 <dahlia> ldlework: alife?
2015-05-13 04:41 <ldlework> BlueWall: I think you missed my point all together?
2015-05-13 04:41 <BlueWall> https://github.com/cmickeyb/dispatcher
2015-05-13 04:41 <BlueWall> nope
2015-05-13 04:41 <BlueWall> not really
2015-05-13 04:41 <ldlework> 
ACTION looks.

2015-05-13 04:41 <BlueWall> or, I don't think so.
2015-05-13 04:42 <BlueWall> You can use the facilities of OpenSim to do many things 
2015-05-13 04:42 <ldlework> That's pretty cool, but its not the same thing as having a core set of libraries that build up the standard framework for the future of metaverses.
2015-05-13 04:42 <BlueWall> here is is in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32HB5gnjtPk
2015-05-13 04:42 <ldlework> BlueWall: that's not to diminish this, this is p. darn cool
2015-05-13 04:42 <BlueWall> libomv is that
2015-05-13 04:43 <ldlework> BlueWall: heh
2015-05-13 04:43 <BlueWall> it is a library
2015-05-13 04:43 <ldlework> lol, well yes it is
2015-05-13 04:43 <BlueWall> we are implementing the layer that does other things with it.
2015-05-13 04:43 <BlueWall> we use it in places.
2015-05-13 04:43 <ldlework> BlueWall: you're saying its a step
2015-05-13 04:44 <notskittles> ugh, lludp is not something you'd want to build a generic metaverse framework from.
2015-05-13 04:44 <nebadon> heh ya
2015-05-13 04:44 <ldlework> Which I agree, but not useful actually doing things ontop of metaverses, in the sense I think you know I mean
2015-05-13 04:44 <BlueWall> but, what I am saying is with the existing modules in OpenSim and the architecture, you can do many things with it.
2015-05-13 04:44 <notskittles> who's going to pull in my pull request for libomv, btw.
2015-05-13 04:44 <notskittles> ?
2015-05-13 04:44 <BlueWall> notskittles. I agree with that one :)
2015-05-13 04:44 <nebadon> we can do that now notskittles
2015-05-13 04:44 <BlueWall> ohh, I have looked at it and it is good ...
2015-05-13 04:44 <BlueWall> is that in the viewer already?
2015-05-13 04:44 <nebadon> diva or BlueWall should be able to
2015-05-13 04:44 <notskittles> it's in singularity alpha and in firestorm.
2015-05-13 04:45 <ldlework> BlueWall: sure but only because that's true of all software, not because OpenSim is parituclarly composed of components you can use in a standalone way and is documented so you could do that feasibly.
2015-05-13 04:45 <dahlia> I'm not convinced that a set of libraries is necessarily the proper approach for the "future of metaverses". The technology is evolving too fast and standards could hinder innnovation
2015-05-13 04:45 <BlueWall> I can commit it, but I can't build a new libomv for opensim, as we want those done on M$
2015-05-13 04:46 <ldlework> dahlia: yeah, it that definitely wouldn't resemble how things have worked in the past, or work today for other technologies
2015-05-13 04:46 <nebadon> diva has done that a few times
2015-05-13 04:46 <notskittles> but sim support for AppearanceHover is not added to opensim yet, i have that in the yrgrid repo, it's gotta be added to libomv first though or there's no point.
2015-05-13 04:46 <ldlework> they just go on for years with a single implementation with a core invite-only group of maintainers
2015-05-13 04:46 <ldlework> That's how the web was formed
2015-05-13 04:46 <ldlework> hehe
2015-05-13 04:46 <nebadon> notskittles i suppose you could either post a patch maybe to the opensimulator mantis
2015-05-13 04:47 <nebadon> or if you have a github project send a pull request
2015-05-13 04:47 <notskittles> there's a pull request on github where libomv is hosted.
2015-05-13 04:47 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-13 04:47 <nebadon> we only just a few days ago got ownership of that repo
2015-05-13 04:47 <notskittles> https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse/pull/20
2015-05-13 04:47 <nebadon> lkalif made justin and diva owners
2015-05-13 04:48 <BlueWall> notskittles, Plugh was talking about adding an abuse report to OpenSim, is yours available?
2015-05-13 04:48 <dahlia> I thought libomv appearance handied hover? it works in my libomv-based proxy for my html5 viewer avatars
2015-05-13 04:48 <nebadon> what is apperancehover
2015-05-13 04:48 <nebadon> that is new to me
2015-05-13 04:48 <notskittles> that's not the same hover, dahlia. there are two now. :O
2015-05-13 04:48 <dahlia> oh
2015-05-13 04:48 <nebadon> what does it do?
2015-05-13 04:49 <notskittles> yeah, my abuse report module is ready, i just never did the upload cap for screenshots.
2015-05-13 04:49 <notskittles> same thing as the other hover, but not as a shape param.
2015-05-13 04:49 <dahlia> I'm thinking of the hover in the viewer appearance editor near the bottom of the shape parameters
2015-05-13 04:49 <nebadon> Plugh was asking about that earlier notskittles
2015-05-13 04:49 <notskittles> it's a udp packet and it ties in to a sim cap.
2015-05-13 04:49 <nebadon> ooh
2015-05-13 04:49 <nebadon> that hover
2015-05-13 04:49 <nebadon> like how high you hover above the ground?
2015-05-13 04:49 <notskittles> yep
2015-05-13 04:49 <dahlia> oh no not another hybrid of protocols :(
2015-05-13 04:49 <nebadon> for some reason im thinking mouse hover
2015-05-13 04:49 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-13 04:49 <notskittles> and unlike the shape hover param, it works when you sit.
2015-05-13 04:49 <notskittles> ah
2015-05-13 04:50 <notskittles> yeah, i really ought to finish the abuse report module. just been busy at work.
2015-05-13 04:50 <nebadon> ok i'll favorite this
2015-05-13 04:50 <nebadon> and bring to divas attention
2015-05-13 04:50 <nebadon> try to get this in asap
2015-05-13 04:50 <nebadon> thanks
2015-05-13 04:50 <notskittles> np
2015-05-13 04:50 <notskittles> when that's in i've got another patch.
2015-05-13 04:50 <notskittles> but it's a crash fix
2015-05-13 04:50 <nebadon> ok cool
2015-05-13 04:51 <nebadon> ya just let us know
2015-05-13 04:51 <notskittles> so i don't want it public for long in a pull request.
2015-05-13 04:51 <BlueWall> I'll add it in a sec.
2015-05-13 04:51 <notskittles> 1 packet, and the sim is dead. :P
2015-05-13 04:51 <nebadon> we will likely be handling patch submission until and if lkalif gets involved again
2015-05-13 04:51 <nebadon> oh fantastic BlueWall
2015-05-13 04:51 <nebadon> thanks man
2015-05-13 04:52 <BlueWall> sorry I didn't do it sooner - I have been really busy
2015-05-13 04:52 <notskittles> np, i've been busy too.
2015-05-13 04:52 <dahlia> notskittles: where in the viewer can I see this new hover?
2015-05-13 04:52 <nebadon> ok well if you have that other one ready might as well push it 
2015-05-13 04:52 <notskittles> sec, lemme find the commit.
2015-05-13 04:53 <nebadon> now I think about it
2015-05-13 04:53 <nebadon> i saw a firestorm posting about this I think
2015-05-13 04:53 <notskittles> https://bitbucket.org/neptunegames/viewer/commits/398014b1185cfb9310e23802abcd3f0a17f595a6
2015-05-13 04:54 <notskittles> @LiruCookies you pulled my SitOnAway from alchemy and it has a bug. :P
2015-05-13 04:54 <nebadon> or maybe it wasnt from firestorm directly but someone wrote an aritcle about it
2015-05-13 04:55 <dahlia> notskittles: what does /hover do?
2015-05-13 04:55 <nebadon> its an apperance slider
2015-05-13 04:55 <notskittles> shifts the z-pos of the avatar on the region.
2015-05-13 04:55 <nebadon> i bellieve
2015-05-13 04:56 <notskittles> up and down, so you can make animations match.
2015-05-13 04:56 <nebadon> is it under apperance
2015-05-13 04:56 <nebadon> I cant find the damn article now
2015-05-13 04:56 <notskittles> http://blog.nalates.net/2013/05/21/second-life-hover/
2015-05-13 04:56 <nebadon> aha
2015-05-13 04:56 <nebadon> thats the one
2015-05-13 04:56 <notskittles> actually, that's an old one.
2015-05-13 04:56 <LightDrake> there's the shape based hover parameter and the new dynamic hover parameter done via simcap
2015-05-13 04:56 <notskittles> that's not the right hover.
2015-05-13 04:56 <nebadon> wait ya
2015-05-13 04:56 <notskittles> yeah
2015-05-13 04:57 <notskittles> and they're both just called hover.
2015-05-13 04:57 <nebadon> thats the site but not right article
2015-05-13 04:57 <dahlia> notskittles: that looks like the hover I was mentioning earlier that seems to work in my libomv based proxy
2015-05-13 04:57 <notskittles> yeah, that one is in libomv, i don't see anything on the newer one.
2015-05-13 04:57 <dahlia> I still dont know what the newer one is/does
2015-05-13 04:57 <nebadon> hmm maybe its not that site its one of the popular blogs i see on G+ or Facebook
2015-05-13 04:58 <notskittles> here it is https://modemworld.wordpress.com/2015/03/24/avatar-hover-height-reaches-release-viewer/
2015-05-13 04:58 <nebadon> ya damn thats the first site i was looking on
2015-05-13 04:58 <dahlia> ty
2015-05-13 04:58 <nebadon> i can never find anything on that site
2015-05-13 05:00 <BlueWall> ok notskittles, first one is up
2015-05-13 05:00 <notskittles> \o/
2015-05-13 05:01 <BlueWall> you have another?
2015-05-13 05:01 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-13 05:01 <notskittles> yeah, but it's on my other laptop way over there.
2015-05-13 05:01 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-13 05:01 <BlueWall> heh
2015-05-13 05:01 <notskittles> i'll get it.
2015-05-13 05:01 <BlueWall> ok
2015-05-13 05:01 <notskittles> and i'll get to abuse reports too.
2015-05-13 05:02 <BlueWall> cool
2015-05-13 05:02 <BlueWall> what ever happened to that mumble module?
2015-05-13 05:02 <nebadon> mumble fumble
2015-05-13 05:02 <BlueWall> :S
2015-05-13 05:02 <notskittles> oh, right, and something needs to be done with e-mail because it's not sending mail to the estate owner, something odd with the email module.
2015-05-13 05:02 <dahlia> I'll eventually get around to patching the libomv quaternion code BlueWall ;)
2015-05-13 05:02 <notskittles> for abuse reporting.
2015-05-13 05:03 <notskittles> email module only likes when xengine calls it.
2015-05-13 05:03 <BlueWall> :)
2015-05-13 05:03 <dahlia> now that I see someone will update git
2015-05-13 05:03 <nebadon> the core email module is likely not very complete
2015-05-13 05:03 <BlueWall> ok, notskittles we can debug that
2015-05-13 05:04 <BlueWall> yeah, email needs a grid level router that picks up objects when they read mail.
2015-05-13 05:04 <notskittles> no, what we've got in yrgrid is a little more polished. got offline im's to work, but for some reason it doesn't like the abuse report module.
2015-05-13 05:04 <nebadon> ya we blank out email on osgrid
2015-05-13 05:04 <nebadon> so people cant fetch it from simulator
2015-05-13 05:04 <notskittles> we have some crazy imap stuff on yrgrid for incoming object e-mails.
2015-05-13 05:04 <BlueWall> probably a good idea
2015-05-13 05:04 <notskittles> dovecot
2015-05-13 05:04 <BlueWall> ahh ok
2015-05-13 05:04 <nebadon> someone demonstrated snagging the entires grids email so we blanked it
2015-05-13 05:04 <BlueWall> do you like that?
2015-05-13 05:04 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-13 05:05 <notskittles> yeah, works pretty good.
2015-05-13 05:05 <notskittles> but it's stuck together with bubblegum.
2015-05-13 05:05 <BlueWall> I have used cyrus for years, but will need to switch with my new setup
2015-05-13 05:05 <BlueWall> haha
2015-05-13 05:05 <BlueWall> hay bailing wire
2015-05-13 05:06 <notskittles> mumble is on hold for now until i have some free time. i got really burnt out messing with the client.
2015-05-13 05:06 <nebadon> were you working on that for Moses?
2015-05-13 05:06 <notskittles> when i get to it, i'm going to write a mumble library instead of what i was doing, hacking qt out of the client.
2015-05-13 05:06 <smxy> There were so many people waiting for that.
2015-05-13 05:07 <notskittles> no, for digital worlds group.
2015-05-13 05:07 <nebadon> oh ok
2015-05-13 05:07 <nebadon> i know moses was interested too
2015-05-13 05:07 <smxy> Yet another good thing that hasn't come to fruition.
2015-05-13 05:07 <notskittles> yeah, everyone is.
2015-05-13 05:07 <nebadon> they are using freeswitch
2015-05-13 05:07 <nebadon> and it bloooows
2015-05-13 05:07 <notskittles> the sim end of it works great.
2015-05-13 05:07 <nebadon> i hated that about meetings super frustrating
2015-05-13 05:07 <notskittles> it's the client and making it work with the viewer.
2015-05-13 05:08 <nebadon> ya were you working on a solution that doesnt totally clobber vivox?
2015-05-13 05:08 <BlueWall> notskittles, the opensim module, are they still thnkig about contributing it?
2015-05-13 05:08 <notskittles> yes
2015-05-13 05:08 <BlueWall> cool
2015-05-13 05:08 <nebadon> yes to bw or me?
2015-05-13 05:08 <notskittles> to both.
2015-05-13 05:08 <nebadon> haha nice
2015-05-13 05:08 <BlueWall> \o/
2015-05-13 05:08 <BlueWall> lol
2015-05-13 05:09 <nebadon> thats what i didnt like about that initial mumble that someone else was doing
2015-05-13 05:09 <notskittles> it adds an entry to SimulatorFeatures, when the viewer sees that it flips on mumble.
2015-05-13 05:09 <nebadon> you had to either have mumble or vivox
2015-05-13 05:09 <BlueWall> thanks for working on those things BTW
2015-05-13 05:09 <nebadon> ya thats awesome
2015-05-13 05:09 <BlueWall> maybe I will have good voice on Linux for a change
2015-05-13 05:09 <nebadon> right
2015-05-13 05:10 <nebadon> vivox does suck on linux anymore
2015-05-13 05:10 <BlueWall> was using mumble today and the viewer will killing it 
2015-05-13 05:10 <nebadon> it used to owrk
2015-05-13 05:10 <nebadon> but lately its just horrible
2015-05-13 05:10 <nebadon> maybe new version or something
2015-05-13 05:10 <nebadon> its just terrible
2015-05-13 05:10 <BlueWall> don't know what, mine just quit working
2015-05-13 05:10 <nebadon> yea me to
2015-05-13 05:10 <nebadon> now all anyone heres is static
2015-05-13 05:10 <nebadon> hears*
2015-05-13 05:10 <nebadon> whenever i talk
2015-05-13 05:10 <nebadon> i can hear everyone else but no one can hear me
2015-05-13 05:10 <notskittles> if you want to talk about poorly documented FOSS look no further than mumble though. :O
2015-05-13 05:11 <BlueWall> mumble will be the way forward.
2015-05-13 05:11 <BlueWall> hehehe, don't sasy
2015-05-13 05:11 <smxy> not if no one finishes it
2015-05-13 05:11 <nebadon> i was kind of excited about what hifidelity was doing it sounded promising
2015-05-13 05:11 <nebadon> but after trying it i was super bummed
2015-05-13 05:11 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-13 05:11 <nebadon> needs a lot of work
2015-05-13 05:11 <nebadon> so far they arent compressing the audio
2015-05-13 05:12 <nebadon> people were saying they hit monthly bandwidth caps on their dedicated servers
2015-05-13 05:12 <nebadon> because of it
2015-05-13 05:12 <nebadon> like tb's of data from voice 
2015-05-13 05:12 <notskittles> i was thinking about their voice solution too, but i never actually looked at it.
2015-05-13 05:12 <nebadon> its to early
2015-05-13 05:12 <nebadon> waaaay to early
2015-05-13 05:12 <nebadon> dont even bother
2015-05-13 05:12 <nebadon> hehe
2015-05-13 05:12 <BlueWall> you can connect to murmer with anuthing 
2015-05-13 05:13 <BlueWall> pc, cell 
2015-05-13 05:13 <notskittles> yeah
2015-05-13 05:13 <BlueWall> and it uses a codec that is supported by Freeswitch
2015-05-13 05:13 <BlueWall> so you might be able to route calls to that.
2015-05-13 05:13 <notskittles> that works too, it just adds you as an avaline caller in the viewer when you do that.
2015-05-13 05:14 <notskittles> so you can attend meetings in voice and whatnot without logging in.
2015-05-13 05:14 <nebadon> nice
2015-05-13 05:14 <BlueWall> I will be interested t see how it is implemented.
2015-05-13 05:14 <notskittles> well, when i have time i'm going to work on it again.
2015-05-13 05:14 <nebadon> id even be interested in just having voice on my phone
2015-05-13 05:14 <BlueWall> how many users would yo say a singe\le server handles?
2015-05-13 05:14 <nebadon> but still logged in on computer
2015-05-13 05:14 <notskittles> yrgrid is growing too fast, so i get hammered with things to fix.
2015-05-13 05:14 <nebadon> then i could get up and walk away for 15 minutes
2015-05-13 05:14 <notskittles> and then i can't work on new things.
2015-05-13 05:14 <dahlia> notskittles: which viewer are you developing on?
2015-05-13 05:15 <notskittles> alchemy, sl viewer, and singu.
2015-05-13 05:15 <notskittles> used to do fs.
2015-05-13 05:15 <notskittles> they still routinely pull my fixes. :)
2015-05-13 05:15 <dahlia> ah ok. Ive not used alchemy
2015-05-13 05:15 <BlueWall> I ran alchemy here a few weeks ago
2015-05-13 05:15 <nebadon> never even heard of alchemy
2015-05-13 05:15 <nebadon> link?
2015-05-13 05:15 <BlueWall> does it have a grid manager?
2015-05-13 05:15 <dahlia> so your code is GPL?
2015-05-13 05:15 <notskittles> alchemy has no opensim support yet, it's work in progress.
2015-05-13 05:15 <nebadon> oh
2015-05-13 05:15 <BlueWall> right
2015-05-13 05:15 <BlueWall> it looks nice though.
2015-05-13 05:16 <LightDrake> That's totally notskittles project too <.<
2015-05-13 05:16 <notskittles> what is?
2015-05-13 05:16 <LightDrake> adding opensim :D
2015-05-13 05:16 <notskittles> yes.
2015-05-13 05:16 <nebadon> no command line loginuri?
2015-05-13 05:16 <nebadon> old school
2015-05-13 05:16 <nebadon> hehe
2015-05-13 05:16 <notskittles> it takes a lot more to add opensim support now
2015-05-13 05:16 <dahlia> baking
2015-05-13 05:16 <BlueWall> lol, either that should be job 1, or everybody should be moving on to HiFi
2015-05-13 05:16 <notskittles> with var regions and readding client baking
2015-05-13 05:16 <BlueWall> :)
2015-05-13 05:16 <notskittles> var regions is a massive change.
2015-05-13 05:16 <nebadon> uhg
2015-05-13 05:17 <BlueWall> yeah
2015-05-13 05:17 <nebadon> HiFi is HiFrustration
2015-05-13 05:17 <dahlia> is alchemy v3 codebase?
2015-05-13 05:17 <notskittles> and then there's all the little things.
2015-05-13 05:17 <notskittles> yes, it is.
2015-05-13 05:17 <LightDrake> I said I'd dump baking back in if you did the other bits <.<
2015-05-13 05:17 <BlueWall> it is pretty cool though to have it.
2015-05-13 05:17 <dahlia> we really should look into SSB one of these days
2015-05-13 05:17 <LightDrake> HiFi has far far far too much Qt for my liking :(
2015-05-13 05:17 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-13 05:17 <smxy> Single Side Band? ;)
2015-05-13 05:17 <BlueWall> SSB?
2015-05-13 05:18 <nebadon> like why do i need QT for the damn server
2015-05-13 05:18 <dahlia> at minimum grab the aurora bits
2015-05-13 05:18 <nebadon> srsly!!!
2015-05-13 05:18 <BlueWall> lol Hey Good Buddy :)
2015-05-13 05:18 <LightDrake> That was my reaction.
2015-05-13 05:18 <notskittles> ssb has a lot of benefits but also it's a bit overkill for standalones.
2015-05-13 05:18 <nebadon> pure nonsense
2015-05-13 05:18 <LightDrake> Oh and the fact their entire script runtime is basically just Qt's hit-or-miss js engine 
2015-05-13 05:18 <LightDrake> >.>
2015-05-13 05:18 <nebadon> hopefully that changes
2015-05-13 05:18 <nebadon> if not man
2015-05-13 05:18 <nebadon> its doomed
2015-05-13 05:18 <smxy> I ain't no Rubber Duck, BlueWall. :)
2015-05-13 05:18 <nebadon> dooooomed!
2015-05-13 05:18 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-13 05:18 <BlueWall> ohhh, baking
2015-05-13 05:19 <nebadon> i wanted hifi to be cool, and it has potential to be cool
2015-05-13 05:19 <nebadon> but right now its not very cool
2015-05-13 05:19 <dahlia> 
ACTION wrote the original baker code in libomv back in the dark ages when nobody else had baked bots and bot detectors used the lack of baked textures to detect bots

2015-05-13 05:19 <BlueWall> but you can wiggle your eyebrows when you talk
2015-05-13 05:19 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-13 05:19 <notskittles> well, that's how things go when you hype something up before it's ready and then work on it in the open.
2015-05-13 05:19 <dahlia> :)
2015-05-13 05:19 <nebadon> exactly what i want in a metaverase
2015-05-13 05:19 <nebadon> to wear 25 pounds of gear on my face
2015-05-13 05:19 <BlueWall> you can look extra sexy for the girls :)
2015-05-13 05:20 <LightDrake> My Corsair headphones weigh enough as is -.-
2015-05-13 05:20 <BlueWall> wiggle them eyebrows
2015-05-13 05:20 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-13 05:20 <LightDrake> I swear. I somehow ended up buying the heavist wireless headset evur.
2015-05-13 05:20 <nebadon> since switching to earbuds
2015-05-13 05:20 <nebadon> i cant even think about headphones anymore
2015-05-13 05:20 <nebadon> i have an expensive pair of senheissers i cant putting on anymore
2015-05-13 05:20 <notskittles> you're gonna wake siana talking about headsets.
2015-05-13 05:21 <LightDrake> Waking SianaGearz is fun tho. :O
2015-05-13 05:21 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-13 05:21 <dahlia> you can wake here when she wears headphones?
2015-05-13 05:21 <LightDrake> I am also reminded
2015-05-13 05:21 <LightDrake> must fix fonts in singularity win64
2015-05-13 05:22 <dahlia> oh speaking of singu, is it difficult to add the replex skin to singu?
2015-05-13 05:22 <notskittles> should just be able to copy it over.
2015-05-13 05:22 <nebadon> yea that would be awesome
2015-05-13 05:22 <LightDrake> yeah just copy pasta it into the skins dir
2015-05-13 05:22 <LightDrake> it'll work.
2015-05-13 05:22 <dahlia> Ive been using replex just for the skin but but it's going stale
2015-05-13 05:22 <nebadon> well i meant into a release myself
2015-05-13 05:23 <nebadon> it is the best skin by far
2015-05-13 05:23 <nebadon> thats why i use replex still too
2015-05-13 05:23 <nebadon> i could copy it over i did do it once
2015-05-13 05:23 <dahlia> well my crappy eyes cant read the normal script editor
2015-05-13 05:23 <nebadon> i find unzipping replex so much easier though
2015-05-13 05:23 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-13 05:23 <dahlia> unzipping?
2015-05-13 05:24 <nebadon> im on linux
2015-05-13 05:24 <dahlia> oh I build from source
2015-05-13 05:32 <nebadon> dahlia are you able to update libomv in core?
2015-05-13 05:33 <nebadon> i could probably do it I just have to remember how
2015-05-13 05:33 <nebadon> might be better if diva can do it though
2015-05-13 05:40 <dahlia> nebadon: I've done it several times before
2015-05-13 05:40 <nebadon> yea I thought you did
2015-05-13 05:40 <nebadon> i couldnt remember for sure
2015-05-13 05:41 <dahlia> do the new commits affect opensim?
2015-05-13 05:41 <nebadon> I think one does
2015-05-13 05:41 <BlueWall> I see libopenjpeg-dotnet in ./bin and in ./bin/lib64 ...
2015-05-13 05:41 <nebadon> something about a packet can crash the simualtor
2015-05-13 05:41 <nebadon> or something
2015-05-13 05:42 <BlueWall> I think it won't pick up those in ./bin/lib64
2015-05-13 05:42 <nebadon> bluewall did the second commit ever go in?
2015-05-13 05:42 <dahlia> k I can pull and build on windows
2015-05-13 05:42 <BlueWall> yes
2015-05-13 05:42 <nebadon> ok great
2015-05-13 05:42 <nebadon> ya I think the second one was the important one for opensim
2015-05-13 05:43 <dahlia> can often get away with just updating the affected libraries
2015-05-13 05:43 <dahlia> rather than everything
2015-05-13 05:44 <dahlia> because I think we have some custom stuff in there which changes the directories where native code is 
2015-05-13 05:44 <BlueWall> we need to get all unmanaged libraries out of the ./bin directory to make it easier of mono-addins
2015-05-13 05:45 <dahlia> does mono addins handle native libraries?
2015-05-13 05:45 <BlueWall> no
2015-05-13 05:46 <BlueWall> it looks in managed dll for extension things
2015-05-13 05:46 <BlueWall>  when it hits unmanaged ones it spews 
2015-05-13 05:46 <dahlia> have libomv git url? I'll make a fresh clone because I think the one I normally hack on is modified
2015-05-13 05:46 <nebadon> https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse.git
2015-05-13 05:47 <dahlia> ty
2015-05-13 05:47 <nebadon> np
2015-05-13 05:47 <BlueWall> we have it turned off when we load region modules so it isn't seen there
2015-05-13 05:49 <dahlia> BlueWall: know which dlls are affected in your last couple commits?
2015-05-13 05:50 <BlueWall> hmm, nope, sorry.
2015-05-13 05:50 <dahlia> kk I'll just do all the managed ones
2015-05-13 05:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #4183 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-13 05:56 <dahlia> hope it works, I forgot to test comiple it first :D
2015-05-13 05:56 <BlueWall> :)
2015-05-13 05:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4183: SUCCESS in 4 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4183/
2015-05-13 05:59 <osjenkins> dahlia: update libomv to 6b8afb2b61d3
2015-05-13 06:00 <nebadon> damn jenkins seems to be working better
2015-05-13 06:00 <nebadon> wonder if diva did something to it
2015-05-13 06:00 <dahlia> cool must have passed tests
2015-05-13 06:01 <BlueWall> I wonder it that reverse proxy thing is what is whacking apache
2015-05-13 06:01 <dahlia> which reverse proxy?
2015-05-13 06:01 <dahlia> nginx?
2015-05-13 06:01 <BlueWall> jenkins runs on 8080 or so ...
2015-05-13 06:02 <BlueWall> there is a setting in apache to make a revers proxy
2015-05-13 06:02 <BlueWall> so we see jenkins.opensimulator.org
2015-05-13 06:02 <dahlia> ah ok
2015-05-13 06:02 <BlueWall> instead of opensimulator.org:8080
2015-05-13 06:04 <nebadon> i was looking at the docs
2015-05-13 06:04 <nebadon> and its almost as if you have to run it behind a proxy
2015-05-13 06:04 <nebadon> but maybe i was misunderstanding it
2015-05-13 06:05 <BlueWall> you can run it on 8080, the default
2015-05-13 06:05 <BlueWall> it is a standalone java application
2015-05-13 06:06 <BlueWall> we just do that for convenience so we can map it directly to that domain name w/o the user having to type in the port.
2015-05-13 06:06 <dahlia> ya that's a bit beyond my apache-fu
2015-05-13 06:06 <BlueWall> I have done redirects before.
2015-05-13 06:07 <BlueWall> maybe I can get some time in the next few days to read the message again and try to fix it.
2015-05-13 06:07 <dahlia> I do very little with apache 
2015-05-13 06:07 <BlueWall> me too
2015-05-13 06:07 <dahlia> stick a few files in a folder, set a few perms.. thats about it
2015-05-13 06:07 <nebadon> i have never used apache as a reverse proxy
2015-05-13 06:08 <BlueWall> I may have that wrong 
2015-05-13 06:08 <dahlia> the few web things I've done only use apache for serving static files, the rest use other programs
2015-05-13 06:09 <nebadon> ya i mostly just do vhosts
2015-05-13 06:09 <nebadon> and a couple of mods
2015-05-13 06:09 <nebadon> like bwmod
2015-05-13 06:09 <BlueWall> ProxyPass / http://localhost:8081/
2015-05-13 06:10 <BlueWall> ProxyPreserveHost on
2015-05-13 06:10 <dahlia> I have done python cgi stuff but ages ago
2015-05-13 06:10 <nebadon> mod_bw actually
2015-05-13 06:10 <BlueWall> use mod_wsgi now
2015-05-13 06:11 <nebadon> mod_bw is good if your streaming video
2015-05-13 06:11 <nebadon> so no one can hog up all your bw
2015-05-13 06:11 <BlueWall> ahh
2015-05-13 06:11 <nebadon> rate limiter
2015-05-13 06:11 <nebadon> http://bwmod.sourceforge.net/
2015-05-13 06:16 <BlueWall> time to crash \o
2015-05-13 06:16 <nebadon> yea me too g;night
2015-05-13 06:32 <dahlia> nn
2015-05-13 06:42 -!- Aramis^(~someone@c-67-191-0-181.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has left #opensim-dev
2015-05-13 07:16 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): has been CLOSED
2015-05-13 15:02 <nebadon> BlueWall are you here?
2015-05-13 15:02 <BlueWall> I am, what's up?
2015-05-13 15:02 <nebadon> hey
2015-05-13 15:03 <nebadon> there is something really wierd with new mono
2015-05-13 15:03 <nebadon> i probably have to revert everything I did to mono 4.0.1
2015-05-13 15:03 <nebadon> it appears that with opensim
2015-05-13 15:03 <nebadon> its caching dns
2015-05-13 15:03 <nebadon> so if you log into a simulator
2015-05-13 15:03 <nebadon> and then your IP address changes
2015-05-13 15:03 <nebadon> you cant log in again
2015-05-13 15:03 <BlueWall> ohhh man
2015-05-13 15:03 <nebadon> until mono restarts
2015-05-13 15:03 <BlueWall> why would they do that?
2015-05-13 15:04 <nebadon> I dont know
2015-05-13 15:04 <BlueWall> surely there is a way to disable that?
2015-05-13 15:04 <nebadon> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21073103/resetting-dns-cache-in-c-sharp-mono
2015-05-13 15:05 <BlueWall> Mono 3.2.3. in that post
2015-05-13 15:05 <nebadon> ya thats the wierd part too
2015-05-13 15:05 <BlueWall> so has it been around that long?
2015-05-13 15:05 <nebadon> it doesnt seem to happen in 3.2.3 I dont think
2015-05-13 15:07 <BlueWall> Hmm
2015-05-13 15:07 <BlueWall> how did you find this?
2015-05-13 15:07 <BlueWall> I guess you have a static ip?
2015-05-13 15:08 <nebadon> sarah kline reported it
2015-05-13 15:08 <nebadon> she cant log into osgrid at all
2015-05-13 15:08 <BlueWall> ohhh
2015-05-13 15:08 <nebadon> it appears to effect Robust either
2015-05-13 15:10 <nebadon> ok it appears its only the regions
2015-05-13 15:10 <nebadon> i misunderstood her
2015-05-13 15:10 <nebadon> just asked her to clarify
2015-05-13 15:11 <BlueWall> what kind of messages show up in the logs?
2015-05-13 15:11 <nebadon> im not sure
2015-05-13 15:11 <nebadon> let me see if i can see anything
2015-05-13 15:15 <AliciaRaven> BlueWall, did u have a look at the new grab patch yet?
2015-05-13 15:16 <BlueWall> AliciaRaven, not yet.
2015-05-13 15:16 <BlueWall> I guess we need to give it another spin? hehe
2015-05-13 15:17 <AliciaRaven> lol yep, should have covered all bases now
2015-05-13 15:17 <AliciaRaven> but it has to call script count method alot, which checks inventorys of all prims, for large linksets it might be slow
2015-05-13 15:18 <AliciaRaven> but i didnt add a counter or flags to SOG as they might go out of sync when the group is edited, plus thats adding more vars to SOG which would be more memory, i wasnt sure which way to go there
2015-05-13 15:19 <AliciaRaven> i think using get script count is fine, not many peeps will be dragging about large linksets
2015-05-13 15:24 <nebadon> she is unable to make it fail at the moment
2015-05-13 15:25 <nebadon> as soon as I can find a log message I will let you know BlueWall
2015-05-13 15:26 <BlueWall> ok - maybe that is a good thing?
2015-05-13 15:44 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU is read in opensim.ini does it still need to be added to bashrc?
2015-05-13 15:45 <AliciaRaven> i have it in both as im asuming the ini one just tells opensim what to expect from mono
2015-05-13 15:46 <nebadon> I dont think you could ever set tat in OpenSim.ini Alicia
2015-05-13 15:46 <nebadon> and BlueWall no
2015-05-13 15:46 <nebadon> the plazas were probably restarted
2015-05-13 15:46 <nebadon> we will have to wait for her IP address t change again
2015-05-13 15:46 <nebadon> the good news is though that it appears not to effect Robust
2015-05-13 15:46 <nebadon> only the simulators
2015-05-13 15:47 <nebadon> I wonder if there is some way to compile mono differently or some kind of startup switch
2015-05-13 15:47 <nebadon> so far I cant find anything
2015-05-13 15:47 <AliciaRaven> os does read that value from ini, must just tell it what it should expect mono to allow
2015-05-13 15:47 <nebadon> it sucks not being able to run newer mono though
2015-05-13 15:47 <nebadon> ya your probably thinking of smartpool limits
2015-05-13 15:48 <AliciaRaven> no the same value name nebadon, opensim looks for MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU in the startup section of opensim.ini
2015-05-13 15:48 <nebadon> really
2015-05-13 15:48 <AliciaRaven> yea
2015-05-13 15:48 <nebadon> ive never noticed that
2015-05-13 15:49 <nebadon> let me look at the example
2015-05-13 15:49 <AliciaRaven> dont think its in example ini, im looking at the code
2015-05-13 15:49 <nebadon> i think it just reads it to print it
2015-05-13 15:50 <AliciaRaven> oh wait, no its reading it from system enviromnent
2015-05-13 15:50 <AliciaRaven> oops
2015-05-13 15:50 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-13 15:56 <nebadon> bluewall i found this
2015-05-13 15:56 <nebadon> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7277582/how-do-i-clear-system-net-client-dns-cache
2015-05-13 15:56 <nebadon> maybe we are doing a request.KeepAlive = false;
2015-05-13 15:56 <nebadon> or need to I mean
2015-05-13 15:58 <nebadon> maybe its keep connections alive even after people log out or teleport away
2015-05-13 15:58 <nebadon> that wouldnt be good
2015-05-13 15:58 <BlueWall> I guess we need to see the logs when it happens.
2015-05-13 15:58 <BlueWall> Is it on her regions?
2015-05-13 15:58 <nebadon> no the plazas
2015-05-13 15:58 <nebadon> after i upgraded to mono 4.0.1
2015-05-13 15:59 <nebadon> I think it happened when i upgraded to 3.12.1 too
2015-05-13 15:59 <nebadon> i just forgot about it
2015-05-13 15:59 <nebadon> on 3.2.3 its fine
2015-05-13 16:00 <nebadon> interesting
2015-05-13 16:00 <BlueWall> Hmm, should I get up to speed on the OSG setup again?
2015-05-13 16:00 <nebadon> we set request.KeepAlive = false; in many places
2015-05-13 16:00 <nebadon> in the code
2015-05-13 16:00 <nebadon> maybe we are missing a spot
2015-05-13 16:01 <BlueWall> maybe
2015-05-13 16:02 <BlueWall> wonder how she took long between logins and her ip change?
2015-05-13 16:02 <nebadon> she said daily it changes
2015-05-13 16:02 <nebadon> you know I could probably test this
2015-05-13 16:02 <nebadon> with my cell phone
2015-05-13 16:02 <BlueWall> I guess this only happens when the ip changes and the timeout
2015-05-13 16:02 <nebadon> i could hook up tether
2015-05-13 16:03 <nebadon> let me test this
2015-05-13 16:03 <nebadon> I might disconnect give me a few
2015-05-13 16:04 <BlueWall> ok
2015-05-13 16:04 <nebadon> I think the tether works with linux
2015-05-13 16:04 <nebadon> havent tried in a while
2015-05-13 16:06 <Plugh> I'm looking at the ini file for Robust. How could you not have centralized estate data?
2015-05-13 16:07 <Plugh> There is a connector string in the instances for the estate data and I always have it pointing to the same DB.
2015-05-13 16:10 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-13 16:12 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, thats the error i got durring startup after increasing mono threads per cpu, still wasnt high enough at that point but because mono held it together long enough for os to print an error it might be helpfull
2015-05-13 16:13 <AliciaRaven> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519#c28367
2015-05-13 16:13 <nebadon> hmm bulletsim
2015-05-13 16:13 <BlueWall> AliciaRaven can you use ODE for testing
2015-05-13 16:14 <nebadon> and of course I cant make it fail
2015-05-13 16:14 <AliciaRaven> umm i might be able to, i think i removed the ODE code from my branch tho, plus i cant get it to happen on a test sim
2015-05-13 16:14 <nebadon> its probably something in the simulator itself
2015-05-13 16:14 <BlueWall> AliciaRaven, even standalones crash
2015-05-13 16:14 <nebadon> maybe a errant physical prim
2015-05-13 16:15 <nebadon> or a bad mesh
2015-05-13 16:15 <AliciaRaven> it happens on multiple sims, they just have to be populated
2015-05-13 16:16 <AliciaRaven> i could load an oar to a test sim and see
2015-05-13 16:16 <nebadon> any really large linkesets?
2015-05-13 16:16 <nebadon> like that exceed 256 prims?
2015-05-13 16:16 <AliciaRaven> i dont know, im not a builder
2015-05-13 16:17 <nebadon> k
2015-05-13 16:17 <AliciaRaven> could be
2015-05-13 16:17 <nebadon> do you run bullet in its own thread?
2015-05-13 16:17 <AliciaRaven> just seemed too much of a coincidence that i got that at the same point that people are getting SIGSEGVs
2015-05-13 16:17 <AliciaRaven> yes, own thread
2015-05-13 16:17 <nebadon> k
2015-05-13 16:19 <BlueWall> AliciaRaven, is this the patch: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7533
2015-05-13 16:20 <AliciaRaven> no i think its v4, let me find the mantis i added it to
2015-05-13 16:20 <BlueWall> ok, thanks
2015-05-13 16:20 <AliciaRaven> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7530
2015-05-13 16:21 <AliciaRaven> oops, asigned it to myself when i uploaded
2015-05-13 16:22 <nebadon> yea I hate that about mantis
2015-05-13 16:22 <nebadon> a lot of things you do assign the ticket to you
2015-05-13 16:22 <nebadon> I do it al the time
2015-05-13 16:23 <AliciaRaven> its mantis saying OY FIX ME! lol
2015-05-13 16:23 <nebadon> hehe
2015-05-13 16:23 <nebadon> ok brb running more tests
2015-05-13 16:23 <nebadon> will probably disconnect for a few
2015-05-13 16:34 <nebadon> well it appears that changing IP address is not the problem
2015-05-13 16:34 <nebadon> from what I can tell
2015-05-13 16:35 <BlueWall> that is good - I guess.
2015-05-13 16:36 <nebadon> well not really
2015-05-13 16:36 <nebadon> now we dont know what it is
2015-05-13 16:36 <nebadon> its definitely a problem though
2015-05-13 16:37 <BlueWall> Yeah, we have to find out what it is. But, hopefully it won't be some massive wide-spread thing.
2015-05-13 16:40 <nebadon> I am having sarah unhook her modem
2015-05-13 16:40 <nebadon> to try to force an IP change
2015-05-13 16:40 <BlueWall> ++
2015-05-13 16:41 <nebadon> i tried with replex and firestorm
2015-05-13 16:41 <nebadon> switching back and forth between lan and cell tether
2015-05-13 16:42 <nebadon> worked everytime
2015-05-13 16:42 <nebadon> so its unlikely this is the actual cause
2015-05-13 16:42 <nebadon> if it is, its maybe not a simulator side thing
2015-05-13 16:42 <nebadon> perhaps a viewer thing I should try again in windows
2015-05-13 16:42 <BlueWall> I can't think of anything that would check the ip for authentication except Hg.
2015-05-13 16:45 <nebadon> AHA
2015-05-13 16:45 <nebadon> i had misunderstood BlueWall
2015-05-13 16:45 <nebadon> things are becoming clearer
2015-05-13 16:45 <nebadon> here is the deal
2015-05-13 16:45 <nebadon> Sarah hosts her own region on her DHCP connection
2015-05-13 16:46 <nebadon> she starts the region up
2015-05-13 16:46 <nebadon> logs into her region and teleports to Lbsa Plaza
2015-05-13 16:46 <nebadon> logs out of the grid and goes to sleep
2015-05-13 16:46 <nebadon> over night her IP address changes
2015-05-13 16:46 <BlueWall> ahhh
2015-05-13 16:46 <nebadon> now she can no longer teleport from lbsa Plaza to her region
2015-05-13 16:46 <nebadon> until lbsa plaza restarts
2015-05-13 16:46 <BlueWall> because her region is no longer on the ip that it is registered under?
2015-05-13 16:47 <nebadon> well she is using DNS
2015-05-13 16:47 <BlueWall> ohh, reall?
2015-05-13 16:47 <nebadon> so apparantly the region is caching the old ip address its resolved
2015-05-13 16:47 <nebadon> and never letting go
2015-05-13 16:47 <BlueWall> ok, is that in the user management module?
2015-05-13 16:47 <nebadon> I don't know honestly
2015-05-13 16:48 <BlueWall> I made commands to clear that from the console and they got wiped out by a patch :(
2015-05-13 16:48 <nebadon> this one is much harder for me to test 
2015-05-13 16:48 <nebadon> hrmm
2015-05-13 16:48 <nebadon> its wierd that this doesnt happen on mono 3.2.3
2015-05-13 16:48 <nebadon> but it does with mono 3.12.1 or 4.0.1
2015-05-13 16:48 <BlueWall> yes
2015-05-13 16:49 <nebadon> I dont even know how I can test this
2015-05-13 16:49 <nebadon> i guess I could with a VM
2015-05-13 16:49 <nebadon> what a pain though
2015-05-13 16:49 <nebadon> i'll need to setup new vms
2015-05-13 16:50 <nebadon> then use hosts file to fake it out I suppose
2015-05-13 16:50 <nebadon> this is not easy to simulate
2015-05-13 16:50 <BlueWall> hmm, I have fails here on my jenkins I think it is diva's tests
2015-05-13 16:51 <BlueWall> ohh it's trying to use port 8888 and that is in use here :/
2015-05-13 16:51 <BlueWall> http://localhost:8888/presence
2015-05-13 16:56 <nebadon> I wonder why we are caching ip addresses
2015-05-13 16:56 <nebadon> for regions
2015-05-13 16:56 <nebadon> that literally defeats the entire purpose of DNS
2015-05-13 16:57 <nebadon> I guess its just mono doing it
2015-05-13 16:57 <nebadon> that kind of sucks
2015-05-13 16:57 <BlueWall> yes
2015-05-13 16:57 <nebadon> I really hate the idea of not being able to upgrade mono because of this
2015-05-13 16:57 <nebadon> I think this does effect Robust too
2015-05-13 16:59 <nebadon> I wonder if there is anything we can do about it
2015-05-13 17:01 <nebadon> blah
2015-05-13 17:01 <nebadon> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15643223/dns-refresh-timeout-with-mono
2015-05-13 17:01 <nebadon> not implemented in mono it seems
2015-05-13 17:01 <nebadon> ServicePointManager.DnsRefreshTimeout
2015-05-13 17:02 <BlueWall> see the answer: they are setting the request.KeepAlive false.
2015-05-13 17:02 <BlueWall> maybe there is a needle in the haystack 0.0
2015-05-13 17:03 <nebadon> ya but where
2015-05-13 17:03 <nebadon> cause it also effects Robust
2015-05-13 17:03 <nebadon> she says she cant log directly in once it changes either
2015-05-13 17:03 <nebadon> until robust starts
2015-05-13 17:03 <nebadon> restarts
2015-05-13 17:04 <nebadon> what a pain in the ass
2015-05-13 17:04 <nebadon> guess we wont be using new mono anytime soon
2015-05-13 17:04 <nebadon> this sucks
2015-05-13 17:05 <BlueWall> is this packages or compiled?
2015-05-13 17:05 <nebadon> compiled
2015-05-13 17:05 <BlueWall> but, do you think packaged versions are affected too?
2015-05-13 17:05 <nebadon> I don't know
2015-05-13 17:05 <nebadon> im not even sure the repo works on opensuse 12.3 or not
2015-05-13 17:05 <nebadon> i havent tried
2015-05-13 17:06 <BlueWall> you're running 12.3 on OSGrid?
2015-05-13 17:06 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-13 17:06 <nebadon> havent gotten around to upgrading the boxes
2015-05-13 17:07 <BlueWall> http://opensim-dev.2196679.n2.nabble.com/DNS-lookup-and-caching-td7579882.html
2015-05-13 17:09 <nebadon> this isnt a viewer problem thoguh
2015-05-13 17:09 <nebadon> its region to region I think
2015-05-13 17:09 <nebadon> this is all on the simulator side it seems
2015-05-13 17:09 <nebadon> the region is caching the other regions IP
2015-05-13 17:09 <nebadon> and Robust is caching the regions ip
2015-05-13 17:09 <nebadon> even if FQDN is being used
2015-05-13 17:09 <nebadon> seems there is no timeout
2015-05-13 17:10 <nebadon> its eternal
2015-05-13 17:10 <nebadon> and why no problem on older mon
2015-05-13 17:10 <nebadon> mono
2015-05-13 17:10 <nebadon> i dont get it
2015-05-13 17:10 <nebadon> so bizzare
2015-05-13 17:11 <nebadon> I am not rushing to revert it at this point
2015-05-13 17:11 <nebadon> but I probably will have to 
2015-05-13 17:11 <BlueWall> yeah, we need to look into it.
2015-05-13 17:11 <nebadon> ya if we cant figure it out its not good
2015-05-13 17:11 <nebadon> it means being stuck on older mon
2015-05-13 17:11 <nebadon> mono*
2015-05-13 17:11 <BlueWall> if you could do one, then it would show if it is a mono or recent openism issue?
2015-05-13 17:12 <nebadon> this happened before
2015-05-13 17:12 <nebadon> when i upgraded mono
2015-05-13 17:12 <nebadon> and I forgot about it
2015-05-13 17:12 <nebadon> I upgraded the boxes to mono 3.12.1
2015-05-13 17:12 <nebadon> and it started happening
2015-05-13 17:12 <nebadon> i reverted mono it went away
2015-05-13 17:12 <nebadon> now I upgraded again to mono 4.0.1 and instantly
2015-05-13 17:12 <nebadon> the same day it starts
2015-05-13 17:12 <nebadon> pretty sure its mono
2015-05-13 17:13 <nebadon> what version exactly I am not sure
2015-05-13 17:13 <nebadon> just that 3.2.3 doesnt seem to exhibit it
2015-05-13 17:13 <BlueWall> so maybe anything above 3.12.1?
2015-05-13 17:13 <nebadon> hard to say
2015-05-13 17:14 <nebadon> I think i was running 3.12 on robust before
2015-05-13 17:14 <nebadon> before going to 4.0.1
2015-05-13 17:14 <nebadon> but I swear on the plazas we went to 3.12 and it started happening too
2015-05-13 17:14 <BlueWall> I have been running the latest packages, but really light usage here
2015-05-13 17:14 <nebadon> yea i just confirmed
2015-05-13 17:15 <nebadon> robust was running 3.12.1
2015-05-13 17:15 <nebadon> i can see the symlink in the scroll back
2015-05-13 17:15 <nebadon> super confusing
2015-05-13 17:16 <nebadon> be nice if we could have a command to show the cache
2015-05-13 17:16 <nebadon> you said you used to have a command to clear the cache?
2015-05-13 17:16 <nebadon> would that be hard to put back in?
2015-05-13 17:17 <BlueWall> they were wiped out by some patches 
2015-05-13 17:17 <BlueWall> I can do it a little later I think.
2015-05-13 17:17 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-13 17:17 <nebadon> I think for now I am going to leave OSgrid as it is
2015-05-13 17:17 <BlueWall> that is the user caches (user management module)
2015-05-13 17:17 <nebadon> until it becomes so painful we cant deal with it anymore
2015-05-13 17:17 <BlueWall> I'm not sure that those would have anuthing to do with it though. 
2015-05-13 17:17 <nebadon> but hopefully can allow us to fix this easier perhaps
2015-05-13 17:17 <nebadon> ah
2015-05-13 17:17 <nebadon> ya this is region
2015-05-13 17:18 <nebadon> its region to region
2015-05-13 17:18 <BlueWall> Hg
2015-05-13 17:18 <nebadon> it seems
2015-05-13 17:18 <nebadon> no
2015-05-13 17:18 <nebadon> this is all local
2015-05-13 17:18 <BlueWall> no?
2015-05-13 17:18 <nebadon> her region is on osgrid
2015-05-13 17:18 <nebadon> she cant even log directly into her region anymore
2015-05-13 17:18 <nebadon> if her ip address changes
2015-05-13 17:18 <BlueWall> ohh
2015-05-13 17:18 <nebadon> unless i restart robust
2015-05-13 17:18 <BlueWall> but, does she restart her reion?
2015-05-13 17:18 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-13 17:18 <BlueWall> region
2015-05-13 17:18 <nebadon> doesnt help
2015-05-13 17:18 <nebadon> only restarting the other regions
2015-05-13 17:18 <nebadon> that have old ip cached
2015-05-13 17:19 <nebadon> or restarting robust
2015-05-13 17:19 <nebadon> then she can
2015-05-13 17:19 <BlueWall> hmmm
2015-05-13 17:19 <nebadon> only if those regions have communicated with hers
2015-05-13 17:19 <nebadon> and
2015-05-13 17:19 <nebadon> if she finds a region she can get into
2015-05-13 17:19 <nebadon> she can then teleport to hers
2015-05-13 17:19 <BlueWall> then it's ok?
2015-05-13 17:19 <nebadon> let me ask her
2015-05-13 17:20 <nebadon> she might be afk
2015-05-13 17:20 <nebadon> no response yet
2015-05-13 17:22 <BlueWall> I am suspicious that she is the only one reporting it though.
2015-05-13 17:23 <nebadon> well I suspect its not a wide spread issue
2015-05-13 17:23 <nebadon> because most peoples IP address doesnt change so often
2015-05-13 17:23 <nebadon> she said hers changes once a day
2015-05-13 17:23 <BlueWall> I see
2015-05-13 17:24 <nebadon> and it only effects the simulator
2015-05-13 17:24 <nebadon> like if she logs into Lbsa and then later that day her ip changes
2015-05-13 17:24 <nebadon> she can still log in etc..
2015-05-13 17:24 <nebadon> its only the simulator ip change that is problematic
2015-05-13 17:24 <nebadon> while it may be rare, it is going to happen
2015-05-13 17:24 <nebadon> whats rare is it changing on a daily basis
2015-05-13 17:25 <nebadon> and what sucks is there is nothing she can do about it
2015-05-13 17:25 <nebadon> until everyone of the sims she teleported to or from her region is restarted
2015-05-13 17:25 <nebadon> and worse robust being restarted to directly log in
2015-05-13 17:26 <BlueWall> take 22
2015-05-13 17:26 <BlueWall> :)
2015-05-13 17:26 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-13 17:30 <AliciaRaven> if there are anymore problems mata will find them quickly lol
2015-05-13 17:30 <BlueWall> yes :)
2015-05-13 17:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #4184 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-13 17:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4184: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4184/
2015-05-13 17:36 <osjenkins> bluewall: Enable grab feature (Ctrl+Drag) for non-physical link-sets and add code to handle spin (Ctrl+Shift+Drag)
2015-05-13 17:51 <Plugh> hm... there are 7(!) patches to mantis #6916 regarding folded perms. Appears as if they haven't been looked at by anyone.
2015-05-13 17:54 <Melanie_T> Plugh: the entire premise of that patch is wrong
2015-05-13 17:55 <Melanie_T> the description states wrongly that, of a prim has something in it that is no copy, for instance, then the prim, when changing owner, should also become no copy
2015-05-13 17:55 <Melanie_T> thet is wrong
2015-05-13 17:55 <Melanie_T> the prim, if it itself is full perm, remains full pem
2015-05-13 17:55 <nebadon> ok bluewall she responded
2015-05-13 17:55 <nebadon> that once she teleports to it she can log directly to it again
2015-05-13 17:55 <Melanie_T> the inventory shows the combined permissions but the prim, when rezzed, is still full perm
2015-05-13 17:56 <nebadon> until ip changes again of course
2015-05-13 17:56 <BlueWall> ok
2015-05-13 17:57 <Melanie_T> Plugh: you also saw i vetoed the ptch
2015-05-13 17:57 <nebadon> seems to me like we should always do a fresh call on login and teleport
2015-05-13 17:57 <nebadon> and only use cache for things that happen while the avatar is in the region
2015-05-13 17:57 <Melanie_T> Plugh: it's harmful and destroys existing content. 
2015-05-13 17:57 <nebadon> which probably is never
2015-05-13 17:57 <nebadon> but maybe we cant because of how mono is structured I dunno
2015-05-13 17:58 <Plugh> Melanie_T: right
2015-05-13 17:58 <nebadon> shame the timeout isnt implemented in mono
2015-05-13 17:58 <nebadon> that just seems crazy no one has done that 
2015-05-13 18:12 <osmantis> Bug #7566:04 DNS Caching in Mono 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7566 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-13 18:13 <osmantis> Bug #7566:04 DNS Caching in Mono 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7566 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-05-13 18:16 <osmantis> Bug #7566:04 DNS Caching in Mono 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7566 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-05-13 18:18 <osmantis> Bug #7566:04 DNS Caching in Mono 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7566 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-05-13 19:14 <frnic> Are their instructions for builing mono 4.x to run OS anywhere?
2015-05-13 19:18 <frnic> That might be more accurately stated, are there instructions anywhere on how to build mono 4.x for use in running OS. :)
2015-05-13 19:20 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44
2015-05-13 19:20 <nebadon> I just updated my instructions
2015-05-13 19:26 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, would u say mono 4 was stable? or does it need further poking with a large stick to see if anything falls off
2015-05-13 19:36 <frnic> Thank you!
2015-05-13 19:36 <UpsetUser> 
ACTION wonders when he netsplit last night and ended up as this nick

2015-05-13 19:41 <nebadon> AliciaRaven its pretty stable
2015-05-13 19:42 <nebadon> other than the odd DNS issue we were discussing earlier
2015-05-13 19:42 <nebadon> which would only effect someone hosting a region on a DCHP connection that constantly changes
2015-05-13 19:42 <nebadon> but I think if your running 3.12.1 already
2015-05-13 19:42 <nebadon> nothing would change there
2015-05-13 19:42 <AliciaRaven> yea i was just reading about that, i need to upgrade but i think 4 is abit too on the edge
2015-05-13 19:42 <nebadon> it works well for me
2015-05-13 19:42 <nebadon> no complaints so far
2015-05-13 19:42 <AliciaRaven> we still run 3.2.8 i think
2015-05-13 19:43 <AliciaRaven> what is the importance of adding nursery size to bashrc btw?
2015-05-13 19:43 <nebadon> makes GC not so intensive
2015-05-13 19:43 <nebadon> the default pool size is quite small
2015-05-13 19:43 <nebadon> so it can thrash a lot with sgen
2015-05-13 19:44 <AliciaRaven> ah alot of mono defaults seem to be set low then
2015-05-13 19:45 <AliciaRaven> k, thanks for the info :)
2015-05-13 19:46 <BlueWall> nebadon, there you go
2015-05-13 19:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #4185 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-13 19:48 <nebadon> ok cool
2015-05-13 19:48 <nebadon> like you said though I dont think that touches on this problem
2015-05-13 19:48 <nebadon> I wonder if there is some way we could have it print what the dns is caching
2015-05-13 19:48 <nebadon> to see if its really the problem
2015-05-13 19:50 <BlueWall> UserAgentServiceConnector uConn = new UserAgentServiceConnector(userdata.HomeURL);
2015-05-13 19:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4185: SUCCESS in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4185/
2015-05-13 19:50 <osjenkins> bluewall: Adding back command to clear region's user cache
2015-05-13 19:51 <BlueWall> I guess if HomeURL is ip address, then it might.
2015-05-13 19:52 <nebadon> hmm i doubt its homeURL
2015-05-13 19:52 <BlueWall> If it is a mono issue, then maybe it is caching the ip
2015-05-13 19:52 <nebadon> ya i guess the thing to test is if anyone else can teleport
2015-05-13 19:53 <nebadon> when she cant
2015-05-13 19:53 <nebadon> that could further isolate the problem perhaps
2015-05-13 19:53 <nebadon> or if its just her user only
2015-05-13 19:53 <BlueWall> if her home (probably her region) has a different ip than the cached url, then it might
2015-05-13 19:53 <BlueWall> could ask her to set her home to a different place too
2015-05-13 19:53 <nebadon> ya I am not she is using the teleport home feature
2015-05-13 19:53 <nebadon> or just map teleport
2015-05-13 19:54 <nebadon> I will ask her to clarify that
2015-05-13 19:57 <nebadon> BlueWall she is using map to teleport
2015-05-13 19:58 <nebadon> I imagine the robust at login might be easier to isolate
2015-05-13 19:59 <BlueWall> ask her to keep all logs from her region so we can see them.
2015-05-13 20:00 <nebadon> ok I let her know
2015-05-13 20:00 <BlueWall> thanks
2015-05-13 20:00 <BlueWall> if she tries to login to her region, does it automatically send her to a backup/default region?
2015-05-13 20:01 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-13 20:01 <nebadon> she ends up at a plaza
2015-05-13 20:01 <BlueWall> ok
2015-05-13 20:01 <BlueWall> then she tries to relog to her region after logging off?
2015-05-13 20:01 <frnic> neb, thanks, built mono-4.0.1 and running on ubuntu-14.04.1 no problems. Appreciate your help.
2015-05-13 20:01 <nebadon> np frnic
2015-05-13 20:02 <nebadon> BlueWall if I understand her correctly
2015-05-13 20:02 <nebadon> she has to find a region she never visited before
2015-05-13 20:02 <nebadon> since the IP change
2015-05-13 20:02 <nebadon> then she can teleport home
2015-05-13 20:02 <nebadon> then I beleive it resets so she can log directly in after that
2015-05-13 20:03 <BlueWall> ok, so it is any region that has seen her until it is restarted?
2015-05-13 20:03 <nebadon> right
2015-05-13 20:03 <nebadon> and robust if she tries to directly log in
2015-05-13 20:03 <nebadon> without robust restarting too
2015-05-13 20:03 <BlueWall> if she restarts her region befor trying to login does it let her?
2015-05-13 20:03 <nebadon> no
2015-05-13 20:03 <nebadon> I dont think let me ask
2015-05-13 20:04 <nebadon> no 
2015-05-13 20:04 <nebadon> it does not help
2015-05-13 20:04 <nebadon> she also said even if she adds a new region
2015-05-13 20:04 <nebadon> she cant log to that either
2015-05-13 20:05 <BlueWall> but she can login to a region that she has never gone to?
2015-05-13 20:05 <nebadon> yes
2015-05-13 20:05 <BlueWall> and if she was in a region, she can't login to there?
2015-05-13 20:05 <nebadon> she can
2015-05-13 20:05 <nebadon> she just cant teleport home
2015-05-13 20:05 <nebadon> from that region
2015-05-13 20:05 <nebadon> to any of her regions
2015-05-13 20:05 <BlueWall> ok
2015-05-13 20:05 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-13 20:05 <nebadon> she also clarified
2015-05-13 20:06 <nebadon> that when she does teleport in from a region that she can reach
2015-05-13 20:06 <nebadon> it does NOT fix the direct login
2015-05-13 20:06 <nebadon> only a robust restart does
2015-05-13 20:06 <nebadon> but she is going to try again to be sure next time it happens
2015-05-13 20:06 <BlueWall> ok, I will need to look into that. It doens't make sense at the moment.
2015-05-13 20:06 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-13 20:07 <BlueWall> have her use that command to clear the user cache in her region to see if that helps.
2015-05-13 20:07 <nebadon> it appears that some how the simualtor or mono is remembering the old IP address for the FQDN
2015-05-13 20:07 <nebadon> so it fails
2015-05-13 20:07 <nebadon> resarting her region doesnt help
2015-05-13 20:07 <nebadon> so i doubt it
2015-05-13 20:07 <BlueWall> right.
2015-05-13 20:08 <nebadon> brb afk a few
2015-05-13 20:34 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-13 20:39 <frnic> nebadon, I was poking around in my grid and found a region table in robust database that remembers the regions uri, in one of my old test regions, that I havent run in ages, it has a IP, I probably just hard coded it, I don’t recall it was so long ago, but my point is, have you checked the robust database?
2015-05-13 20:51 <dahlia> nebadon: perhaps this might get around the mono dns cache issue https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.net.dns.gethostbyname%28v=vs.110%29.aspx
2015-05-13 20:51 <dahlia> although it might be a bit slower since it should avoid the mono cache
2015-05-13 21:20 <nebadon> cool dahlia, ya I am not sure what the solution is
2015-05-13 21:21 <nebadon> maybe we need a few more keep alive = false in certain areas
2015-05-13 21:21 <nebadon> its interesting that it doesnt seem to happen on slightly older versions of mono
2015-05-13 21:21 <dahlia> dunno, I typically avoid robust code
2015-05-13 21:22 <dahlia> not really familiar with it
2015-05-13 21:22 <nebadon> its not just robust I dont think
2015-05-13 21:22 <nebadon> the simulators are caching too I think
2015-05-13 21:22 <dahlia> ya probably
2015-05-13 21:22 <nebadon> because it happens if i only update the simulators
2015-05-13 21:22 <nebadon> and leave robust on old version
2015-05-13 21:22 <nebadon> thats what happened last time i tried upgrading mono on the plaza boxes
2015-05-13 21:22 <nebadon> i completely forgot about it
2015-05-13 21:23 <dahlia> ask diva or Melanie_T when either is around, they probably know that code pretty well
2015-05-13 21:25 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-13 21:25 <nebadon> I would think this is kind of important
2015-05-13 21:25 <nebadon> say someone ever wants to build some kind of fail over solution
2015-05-13 21:25 <nebadon> or even for load balancing on robust could be problematic
2015-05-13 21:26 <nebadon> if one node caches differently than another
2015-05-13 21:31 <dahlia> I agree that it's a nasty bug that's been there for a while, but I think diva and Melanie_T wrote a lot of that code and probalby know the answer already
2015-05-13 21:32 <osmantis> Bug #7566:04 DNS Caching in Mono 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7566 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-13 21:32 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-13 21:32 <nebadon> dive any ideas?
2015-05-13 21:32 <nebadon> diva*
2015-05-13 21:32 <nebadon> or Melanie_T :)
2015-05-13 21:40 <dahlia> I'm willing to look into it perhaps at some later time but I'd rather hear what they have to say first
2015-05-13 21:43 <nebadon> great, thanks dahlia
2015-05-13 22:03 <Melanie_T> dns caching is a "feature"
2015-05-13 22:03 <Melanie_T> lol
2015-05-13 22:03 <Melanie_T> only current solution, use oder mono
2015-05-13 22:03 <nebadon> has to be something we can do
2015-05-13 22:04 <ldlework> Hi Melanie_T 
2015-05-13 22:04 <nebadon> in see we are using this in various places
2015-05-13 22:04 <nebadon> request.KeepAlive = false;
2015-05-13 22:04 <nebadon> from what I am reading this is the only real solution for mono at the moment
2015-05-13 22:05 <nebadon> if its just login and teleport its not like its going to keep pounding it over and over
2015-05-13 22:05 <nebadon> so do we honestly need a long cache for that?
2015-05-13 22:07 <nebadon> its a shame timeout isnt implemented in mono
2015-05-13 22:07 <nebadon> thats seriously crazy its not
2015-05-13 22:11 <Melanie_T> ldlework: it is impolite to msg without asking permission in channel. any question I would answer can be asked in here as well
2015-05-13 22:12 <ldlework> Melanie_T: You're right, a subset of the IRC population makes any deal at all about that.
2015-05-13 22:12 <ldlework> Sorry.
2015-05-13 22:13 <Melanie_T> developers mostly still adhere to netiquette
2015-05-13 22:13 <nebadon> your lucky, she charges me a dollar :P
2015-05-13 22:14 <ldlework> Yep, the universally agreed upon set of things to do on the internet, I forgot.
2015-05-13 22:14 <ldlework> Melanie_T: It wont happen again.
2015-05-13 22:14 <Melanie_T> you can ask your question here, though
2015-05-13 22:15 <ldlework> I don't have a question, I was just saying hello and introducing myself.
2015-05-13 22:16 <Melanie_T> i see.. 
2015-05-13 22:30 <osmantis> Bug #6497:04 llRequestPermissions for PERMISSION_TELEPORT return a error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6497 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-13 22:37 <ldlework> Melanie_T: what do you think about Phlox?
2015-05-13 22:37 <Melanie_T> i have absolutely no experience with it
2015-05-13 22:40 <ldlework> Melanie_T: I just mean its architecture.
2015-05-13 22:40 <ldlework> You've read about it?
2015-05-13 22:41 <Melanie_T> briefly
2015-05-13 22:41 <Melanie_T> there was not much use for me to know details about it. it's a one-grid horse and it's a grid I hold no account on
2015-05-13 22:42 <ldlework> Erm, I don't specifically care about /Plox/. I'm asking you what you think about its strategy for scripting based on how it works.
2015-05-13 22:43 <ldlework> Do you think its a good strategy/model for opensim scripting?
2015-05-13 22:43 <ldlework> Just wondering, if you don't know much about it, that's cool. 
2015-05-13 22:43 <Melanie_T> in order to answer this question, i would need to know what you perceive as the major differences
2015-05-13 22:43 <Melanie_T> as in, why it's a different "model"
2015-05-13 22:44 <ldlework> Well, they don't compile LSL to C#.
2015-05-13 22:44 <ldlework> That's pretty much the defining difference, right?
2015-05-13 22:45 <Melanie_T> compiling LSL to C# is what XEngine does, mainly because DotNetEngine did it before 
2015-05-13 22:45 <ldlework> Right
2015-05-13 22:45 <Melanie_T> in truth, development of an entire new compiler is a s**tload of work
2015-05-13 22:45 <ldlework> What do you think about the way Phlox does it, generally speaking.
2015-05-13 22:45 <ldlework> I'm just asking what you think of it, not suggesting we do it at all.
2015-05-13 22:45 <Melanie_T> i'm not in the know on the "way" phlox does it
2015-05-13 22:45 <ldlework> Oh
2015-05-13 22:46 <ldlework> No magic, they simply implemented a tiny bytecode vm in C#. They compile LSL down to this bytecode.
2015-05-13 22:46 <Melanie_T> i see
2015-05-13 22:46 <ldlework> Having full control of the execution environment of their scripts gives them many advantages it would seem.
2015-05-13 22:47 <ldlework> Mainly the ability to interrupt scripts without injecting cooperative constructs, serialize them, including the whole stack, ship them off to another server, deserialize and keep going.
2015-05-13 22:48 <Melanie_T> it's not a bad solution, after all, VMs are currently re rigeur in programming language development
2015-05-13 22:48 <ldlework> Yeah I thought it was pretty clever
2015-05-13 22:48 <Melanie_T> de rigeur*
2015-05-13 22:48 <ldlework> Since they don't need a general vm, they don't have to solve all the crazy problems related to doing so
2015-05-13 22:48 <Melanie_T> i do have to admit that i didn't really study phlox. it is specific to a grid that is a direct competitor of mine
2015-05-13 22:48 <ldlework> Assuming they got the performance good I say they really improved that part.
2015-05-13 22:49 <ldlework> Also nice is that they can analyze the bytecode easily, and get metrics and enforce hard quotas on each script.
2015-05-13 22:50 <ldlework> Since you're explicitly making specific host-language (read, C# level facilities) available to the vm environment explicitly, its also really safe.
2015-05-13 22:51 <ldlework> If the vm isn't terrible, you could probably target it for other languages too, other than LSL
2015-05-13 22:51 <zadark> dahlia: re update libomv to 6b8afb2b61d3 LLCLIENTView.cs SendAppearance requires  avp.AppearanceHover = new AvatarAppearancePacket.AppearanceHoverBlock[0];
2015-05-13 22:51 <ldlework> Without the holistic security you lose if you decide to use C# in opensim today
2015-05-13 22:51 <zadark> dahlia: else we will see an exception
2015-05-13 22:52 <dahlia> zadark: what's the exception? nullref?
2015-05-13 22:52 <zadark> one sec
2015-05-13 22:52 <ldlework> Melanie_T: imagine how smooth cross region script transfers would be
2015-05-13 22:52 <Melanie_T> ldlework: i don't see much of a chance of this engine coming to opensource, as it is one of inworldz technological edge and a business USP for them
2015-05-13 22:52 <dahlia> line # if you have it
2015-05-13 22:53 <ldlework> Melanie_T: oh no, I doubt they would ever do that, yeah I agree
2015-05-13 22:53 <zadark> [LLCLIENTVIEW]: Caught exception while processing OpenMetaverse.Packets.CompleteAgentMovementPacket for var one  System.NullReferenceException: Objec
2015-05-13 22:53 <zadark> t reference not set to an instance of an object.
2015-05-13 22:53 <ldlework> Melanie_T: but really, it sounds pretty easy to implement
2015-05-13 22:53 <Melanie_T> we went another direction at avination, possibly a more complex one but it works well
2015-05-13 22:53 <ldlework> Melanie_T: I know I know... I just mean in the grand scheme
2015-05-13 22:53 <ldlework> Melanie_T: yeah?
2015-05-13 22:53 <zadark> after line 3751
2015-05-13 22:54 <Melanie_T> yes. we skipped the VM entirely. LSL is compiled to CIL
2015-05-13 22:54 <zadark> sorry. 3549
2015-05-13 22:54 <ldlework> Melanie_T: Valiant. :)
2015-05-13 22:55 <ldlework> Melanie_T: I think, from my own purely idealistic standpoint, I think the VM is the better general solution because LSL is so bad :)
2015-05-13 22:55 <ldlework> And would like to eventually target other languages
2015-05-13 22:55 <Melanie_T> LSL was well intentioned :)
2015-05-13 22:56 <Melanie_T> and i suppose you know what that says about the turnout
2015-05-13 22:56 <Melanie_T> LL wanted to make a language that would make it easy for the novice to script doors and things.
2015-05-13 22:56 <Melanie_T> it was never designed to be a platform for complex applications
2015-05-13 22:56 <ldlework> Yeah it has obviously served well in that regard
2015-05-13 22:56 <ldlework> Melanie_T: for sure
2015-05-13 22:57 <Melanie_T> also, LSL in it's original design, with it's limitations and penalties, was designed to be quite paranoid about scene changes 
2015-05-13 22:57 <ldlework> Melanie_T: I share visions with others of an ecology of metaverse standards and related implementations. Its going to take more than supporting secondlife borne solutions forever to get there. If anything its fun to think about.
2015-05-13 22:57 <Melanie_T> and maybe early LL simulators would have been killed on the amount of updates created by today's llSetLinkPrimitivePArams
2015-05-13 22:58 <Melanie_T> but today neither they nor we are arfraid fo the big bad wolf of overload anymore
2015-05-13 22:58 <Melanie_T> i'm looking at something called angelscript
2015-05-13 22:58 <Melanie_T> it looks very intersting, the most interesting part is native coroutines support
2015-05-13 22:59 <Melanie_T> of course i always get people shouting "LUA"
2015-05-13 22:59 <Melanie_T> transparent transport of state across simulators is unique to SL
2015-05-13 22:59 <AllenKerensky> Melanie, if you say Lua Lua WHOA No, We Gotta Go to the tune of Louie Louie, like a drunk fisherman, it works pretty well
2015-05-13 23:00 <Melanie_T> in all other distributed gaming solutions i am aware of, scripts can save state in properties, but restart upon region//simulator/server change
2015-05-13 23:00 <ldlework> Melanie_T: so that's why plox is pretty awesome
2015-05-13 23:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #4186 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-13 23:00 <ldlework> they just, from C#, tell an instance of the plox vm to pause, they serialize it, and ship it off to the other simulator
2015-05-13 23:01 <ldlework> where the other end, simply passes those bytes to a new instance of the vm, and then tell it to unpause
2015-05-13 23:01 <dahlia> zadark: can you try that?
2015-05-13 23:01 <zadark> will do
2015-05-13 23:01 <dahlia> ty
2015-05-13 23:02 <Melanie_T> ldlework: that behavior is intrinsic to the specification of LSL, though. other languages are not specified to have this behavior and it is not expected of them
2015-05-13 23:02 <ldlework> Any language you targeted the vm for would be able to have this pausable property
2015-05-13 23:02 <ldlework> LSL is the only language that they've bothered to compile to their plox bytecode that we know about anyway
2015-05-13 23:03 <ldlework> But there's no reason they couldn't compile a simple scheme or smalltalk, or javascript or even lua
2015-05-13 23:03 <ldlework> the entire execution environment is serialized
2015-05-13 23:03 <Melanie_T> correct, but no other language has that in it's specification. you could argue execution environment vs language, of coure, but i believe this specification of consistent, portable state, encourages less than clean programming habits
2015-05-13 23:04 <ldlework> I'm not really sure what you're saying.
2015-05-13 23:04 <Melanie_T> as LSL scripts currently all over the web stand witness to
2015-05-13 23:04 <Melanie_T> i'm saying that it was actually a bad idea of LL to make LSL that portable across server boundaries
2015-05-13 23:04 <ldlework> LSL scripts are written badly because they have the assumption about ... how state is serialized across region boundries? I 'mconfused.
2015-05-13 23:04 <Melanie_T> again, it was made so to ease the learning curve
2015-05-13 23:04 <Melanie_T> but in encourages sloppy programming
2015-05-13 23:05 <ldlework> In what way?
2015-05-13 23:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4186: SUCCESS in 4 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4186/
2015-05-13 23:05 <osjenkins> dahlia: resolve possible nullref when sending appearance packet. Thanks to zadark for pointing this out.
2015-05-13 23:05 <Melanie_T> in the way that i have seen many scripts sold commercially in SL that are fully contained in an endless look in state_entry. they make no use of the state system, no use of events, resorting instead to very fast iterative methods and polling the scene
2015-05-13 23:06 <zadark> dahlia: Looks good
2015-05-13 23:06 <dahlia> I thought LSL was the result of one of Cory's cocaine-fueled weekend hackathons lol
2015-05-13 23:06 <dahlia> zadark: cool ty :)
2015-05-13 23:06 <ldlework> Melanie_T: the abstraction is that there is no region boundry at all, at least as far as script writers are concerned. Why would a script writer be a worse script writer for not having to deal with what the engine does under the covers due to it being a distributed simulation?
2015-05-13 23:07 <Melanie_T> a ny given script writer isn't made worse by the system he uses
2015-05-13 23:07 <ldlework> To the script writer, they are just in one big region. How does that have an effect on script writing? What parts of LSL directly reflect its ability to cross regions (and why does that matter?)?
2015-05-13 23:07 <Melanie_T> but the LSL methodology makes it easier for bad script writers to jump on the ladder
2015-05-13 23:07 <ldlework> Ohhh
2015-05-13 23:07 <Melanie_T> therefore reducing average script quality
2015-05-13 23:07 <ldlework> Sure it lowers the bar
2015-05-13 23:07 <ldlework> haha okay
2015-05-13 23:08 <ldlework> Okay I thought you were saying something about script pausability/serializability
2015-05-13 23:08 <Melanie_T> there is a case to be made for a steeper learning curve
2015-05-13 23:08 <Melanie_T> as scripters who have to read more understand more, so may not be as wasteful of resources
2015-05-13 23:08 <Melanie_T> evil things like using "not_at_target" to run things at 0.001 scond intervals
2015-05-13 23:08 <Melanie_T> to poll for something one could just as well use events to check on
2015-05-13 23:09 <ldlework> Melanie_T: Anyway, if I tried to introduce a VM to OpenSim even as an experimental script backend, you've been through all that right so you'd be able to help me out? :)
2015-05-13 23:09 <Melanie_T> yes i hate the abuse of fast timers and not_at_target because i have found only very few things that really require this
2015-05-13 23:09 <Melanie_T> we don't use a VM in Avination, our concept is different
2015-05-13 23:09 <ldlework> Yeah I heard you.
2015-05-13 23:10 <Melanie_T> but i have ben through three script engine development cycles
2015-05-13 23:10 <ldlework> Awesome :D
2015-05-13 23:10 <Melanie_T> and i do understand VMs because i'm a dinosaur :)
2015-05-13 23:10 <Melanie_T> that meaning that I was born at a time where there were no computers
2015-05-13 23:10 <Melanie_T> and have grown with them through all the technologies
2015-05-13 23:10 <Melanie_T>  … and all the mistakes made
2015-05-13 23:11 <Melanie_T> i'll answer your questions both specific and general
2015-05-13 23:11 <Melanie_T> but i don't have all the answers
2015-05-13 23:11 <ldlework> Melanie_T: as I get ramped up, I'll probably have tons of questions. I have a VM design in mind, and if opensim doesn't make the integration too difficult I think it might not be too bad.
2015-05-13 23:12 <Melanie_T> in Opensim, a script engine is just a regular region module implementing a number of interfaces
2015-05-13 23:12 <ldlework> I wont have an LSL-to-this-vm compiler for a while, but I only care about proving I can write programs targeting a tiny vm to script the integration points that opensim requires
2015-05-13 23:12 <ldlework> nice!
2015-05-13 23:12 <ldlework> that's really great to hear
2015-05-13 23:12 <Melanie_T> these interfaces have been largely static for the past 3 years or so
2015-05-13 23:12 <ldlework> that's very encouraging to me. How large of an interface we talking? :)
2015-05-13 23:12 <Melanie_T> one can expect to not necessarily see them change much
2015-05-13 23:12 <Melanie_T> however, there is one caveat
2015-05-13 23:12 <Melanie_T> the interface is closely coupled with the LSL language
2015-05-13 23:13 <ldlework> events and states and all that?
2015-05-13 23:13 <Melanie_T> means, it assumes there is a touch event, and it assumes that calls like llDetectedKey exist
2015-05-13 23:13 <ldlework> right
2015-05-13 23:13 <Melanie_T> states are internal to the engine, you may or may not implement them, the interface doesn't care
2015-05-13 23:13 <ldlework> I plan on making the ll suite of functions available as built-ins invokable by specific bytecodes
2015-05-13 23:13 <Melanie_T> and many of the events can be converted to have different signatures and methodology, pass different data, etc, with thin wrappers
2015-05-13 23:14 <Melanie_T> be sure to use a marker byte and at least 2 selector bytes
2015-05-13 23:14 <ldlework> right, nice.
2015-05-13 23:14 <Melanie_T> as there are way more than 256 functions
2015-05-13 23:14 <ldlework> haha, thinking ahead
2015-05-13 23:14 <ldlework> thanks for this information Melanie_T 
2015-05-13 23:15 <Melanie_T> if in bitstream context, you could use a 1 byte to denote a built-in call
2015-05-13 23:15 <ldlework> Melanie_T: I wish the required interfaces and all that were documented and such
2015-05-13 23:15 <Melanie_T> erm, 1 bit
2015-05-13 23:15 <Melanie_T> so 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx is a builtin
2015-05-13 23:15 <ldlework> Melanie_T: would it be a hard task, if you and I tried to create some docs over time?
2015-05-13 23:15 <Melanie_T> and 0xxxxxxx is any other op
2015-05-13 23:15 <Melanie_T> at this time i'm short on that selfsame. time, i mean
2015-05-13 23:15 <Melanie_T> but i'd proofread
2015-05-13 23:16 <ldlework> right
2015-05-13 23:16 <ldlework> Melanie_T: heard of Docker?
2015-05-13 23:16 <Melanie_T> yes. not a fan of the concept
2015-05-13 23:16 <ldlework> alrighty
2015-05-13 23:16 <ldlework> okay thanks for the info again
2015-05-13 23:17 <Melanie_T> you're welcome
2015-05-13 23:23 <ldlework> To anyone else who might be interested, I think I have monodevelop working in a container, so I'm thinking about making a docker image that contains literally everything you need to do development on opensim.
2015-05-13 23:23 <ldlework> So if you have docker installed, you can get started with opensim with one docker-run command.
2015-05-13 23:23 <Melanie_T> does it also support git?
2015-05-13 23:23 <ldlework> What do you mean
2015-05-13 23:24 <dahlia> not_at_target fires on each sim frame, not at 0.001 second intervals
2015-05-13 23:24 <Melanie_T> people who ose it may need to use a local git repo cloned from us and be able to generate patches
2015-05-13 23:24 <Melanie_T> since i assume you're talking windows, msysgit isn't normally part of it
2015-05-13 23:25 <ldlework> Melanie_T: Docker is a linux container technology, but you can use it in a virtual machine on Windows of course but bleh
2015-05-13 23:25 <dahlia> and not_at_target is about the only portable way to syncronize a script with the simulation
2015-05-13 23:25 <ldlework> Melanie_T: but the way you'd do it, is you'd be able to just -v mount your local clone of opensim into the container, and work as normal
2015-05-13 23:26 <ldlework> then you just use git from your host to generate a patch
2015-05-13 23:26 <Melanie_T> only very few cases actually need it. it's definite overkill for the thing it's used most often, the thing that made me limit timers soseverery, which is AOs
2015-05-13 23:26 <dahlia> ya well most AOs are lame anyway
2015-05-13 23:26 <Melanie_T> AOs use _huge_ amounts of CPU just to avoid 100ms glitches that sometimes can happen
2015-05-13 23:27 <dahlia> as if anyone can perceive a 100ms glitch anyway
2015-05-13 23:27 <Melanie_T> ldlework: i see. it will work for people who know linux then
2015-05-13 23:27 <ldlework> Yeap
2015-05-13 23:28 <Melanie_T> dahlia: it manifests as a brief jerking of the avatar's pose. it's not common unless stuff like bondage equipment is used
2015-05-13 23:28 <Melanie_T> means, not common unless two animations that fight each other play on the same avatar
2015-05-13 23:28 <dahlia> poses shouldnt jerk, they should blend
2015-05-13 23:28 <Melanie_T> AOs use fast timers to fight animations caused by things like BDSM stuff, badly scripted seats, etc
2015-05-13 23:28 <dahlia> if they jerk there may be a bug in the viewer
2015-05-13 23:28 <Melanie_T> and i just don't think it's worth that kind of load on a sim
2015-05-13 23:29 <Melanie_T> dahlia: it is an omission inthe protocol. it even happens in SL
2015-05-13 23:29 <Melanie_T> they also use fast timers in SL
2015-05-13 23:29 <Melanie_T> but i don't care, as I don't have to run SL's servers....
2015-05-13 23:30 <dahlia> Melanie_T: there are good animations and not so good ones. Good ones have lead in sequences
2015-05-13 23:30 <Melanie_T> yes. it's crappy programming to make crappy anims work
2015-05-13 23:30 <Melanie_T> see about lowering the bar above
2015-05-13 23:31 <dahlia> agreed that there's too much crappy content :)
2015-05-13 23:34 <frnic> I believe the idea was to lower the bar intentionally, so that average nobodies could create interesting things. 
2015-05-13 23:35 <frnic> Graphic artists have the same complaints about SL’s model and animations and the use of prims instead of mesh.
2015-05-13 23:35 <dahlia> frnic: yes and that's probably a key to the success of SL
2015-05-13 23:35 <frnic> exactly.
2015-05-13 23:36 <frnic> The average SL user doesnt care that it sucks, they think it is the coolest thing ever when they make a cube and put a picture of a desk on it.
2015-05-13 23:37 <frnic> There is something to be said for mass acceptance and “success”
2015-05-13 23:37 <AllenKerensky> to deal with the masses, you need Russian brute force engineering, not American fragile aerospace engineering
2015-05-13 23:38 <dahlia> then you get creators who make shoes with eyelets with 1024x1024 textures and finely detailed mesh shoelaces with 120000 triangles each
2015-05-13 23:38 <AllenKerensky> and the butthurt when LL introduced ARC lol
2015-05-13 23:39 <frnic> yup, and the system has to deal with that somehow - I suggest a optimizing program could be put in place that reduced unnecessarily large textures, and simplified meshes
2015-05-13 23:39 <dahlia> lol imagine the bug reports that would cause :P
2015-05-13 23:39 <frnic> ARC is lame and stupid. dealing with the issues was LL’s responsibility and they should have dealt with it behind the scenes.
2015-05-13 23:39 <frnic> I am sure - lol
2015-05-13 23:40 <AllenKerensky> just needs an ugly red popup "a 1k x 1k texture on a nanoprim is stupid. Rethink your life FFS kthxbai"
2015-05-13 23:40 <dahlia> many games just dont let the camera get too close
2015-05-13 23:40 <frnic> yup. 
2015-05-13 23:41 <frnic> I expect a pop up that said, “performance could be enhanced by lowering this texture size without affecting the appearance, would it be okay to do this? Yes/No?
2015-05-13 23:42 <dahlia> well the viewer will manage texture LOD pretty well, mesh, not as well
2015-05-13 23:43 <frnic> anyway, the point is, they wanted average people writing scripts and not programmers, and they achieved it, LSL sucks big time and drove me crazy, but it did what they wanted. COnsidering it was a long time ago, I am/was amazed it worked as well as it did on as many systems.
2015-05-13 23:44 <Plugh> fast timers and not_at_target are things people do because they don't know enough about scripting/programming to have better ways. Most have just copied other scripts and fiddled with them until they seem to work.
2015-05-13 23:44 <frnic> I am wondering what we could do with todays tech to create a simliar environment where average Joe Blow could create things and not have to be a programmer or graphics artist. We should be able to improve on LLs work.
2015-05-13 23:44 <frnic> Plugh, yes
2015-05-13 23:44 <AllenKerensky> I did open a ticket once to suggest "Scratch for LSL" to be added to the viewer by LL - they said nope
2015-05-13 23:45 <frnic> But we have not really imporved on LLs work at all so far. (Except for HG).
2015-05-13 23:45 <AllenKerensky> OSSL, NPCs, moar windlights
2015-05-13 23:46 <frnic> For the Joe Blow, I meant.
2015-05-13 23:46 <frnic> Why not the ability for Joe Blow to edit mesh in world?
2015-05-13 23:46 <frnic> Why not puppeteering of NPCs inworld?
2015-05-13 23:47 <Plugh> Could be done but not an easy thing to do. 
2015-05-13 23:47 <AllenKerensky> because mesh editing is hard to simplify
2015-05-13 23:47 <frnic> SMOP (Simple Matter of Programming) - LOL - and yeah, I know it is/would be hard.
2015-05-13 23:47 <AllenKerensky> not everyone inutitively grasps vertices and normals and such
2015-05-13 23:47 <frnic> Everything is hard to do, until it is done.
2015-05-13 23:47 <AllenKerensky> a prim is a compressible thing that has the virtue of helping simplify the editor
2015-05-13 23:48 <frnic> I know it is HARD, but we have had ten years...
2015-05-13 23:48 <Plugh> Having to move the camera angle around to see the different parts of what you are working on. Do you do the mesh editing as editing an object free of anything in the world or do you allow a user to edit the mesh of an object while still seeing the world around them? 
2015-05-13 23:48 <frnic> We went to the moon in ten years.
2015-05-13 23:48 <dahlia> adding mesh editing to a viewer would be insane. Good mesh editing tools are insanely complex and  have hundreds of developer years behind them
2015-05-13 23:48 <AllenKerensky> and chatting and spending spacebux etc
2015-05-13 23:49 <AllenKerensky> dahlia the idea was (i think) a simple mesh editor - much like a stripped down one or something
2015-05-13 23:49 <frnic> Simple mesh editing, not blender. Pull a vertex out, push on in, scale it, distort it. Cut it.
2015-05-13 23:49 <AllenKerensky> just to have SOME direct mesh editing/touchup available in viewer
2015-05-13 23:49 <Plugh> There is mesh editing in Blender and there is an open source tool for mesh editing that is used to clean up objects from 3D scans.
2015-05-13 23:49 <dahlia> AllenKerensky: just use blender
2015-05-13 23:49 <dahlia> or use prims
2015-05-13 23:50 <AllenKerensky> would if I could dahlia but its useless without middle mouse
2015-05-13 23:50 <Plugh> yea. Have a means to (seamlessly) move objects between inworld and Blender.
2015-05-13 23:50 <nebadon> let us not forget how stable blender is too
2015-05-13 23:50 <nebadon> </sarcasm>
2015-05-13 23:50 <dahlia> AllenKerensky: no you can emulate middle mouse
2015-05-13 23:50 <dahlia> its a setting
2015-05-13 23:50 <AllenKerensky> and the idea is ... in viewer ...
2015-05-13 23:50 <AllenKerensky> while immersed in the world
2015-05-13 23:50 <AllenKerensky> like editing scripts or stacking prims
2015-05-13 23:50 <frnic> naw, missing the point, JB will never learn blender, they are not interested.
2015-05-13 23:50 <dahlia> AllenKerensky: let us know when you got it working :)
2015-05-13 23:50 <AllenKerensky> there's been ideas for a basic mspaint tool
2015-05-13 23:51 <AllenKerensky> I will right after you finish documenting the viewer source and APIs with tutorials
2015-05-13 23:51 <ldlework> +1
2015-05-13 23:51 <dahlia> AllenKerensky: sorry, not my project :P
2015-05-13 23:51 <AllenKerensky> same here
2015-05-13 23:51 <AllenKerensky> I tried to do an RPG system in LSL
2015-05-13 23:52 <AllenKerensky> no spare lifetimes for anything else
2015-05-13 23:52 <frnic> You did a good one too.
2015-05-13 23:52 <AllenKerensky> and event he RPG system was fail due to persistence issues
2015-05-13 23:52 <AllenKerensky> and no spare lifetime to sort that out either unless I take a sabbatical from RL work or something
2015-05-13 23:53 <dahlia> AllenKerensky: besides the source code for my viewers is quite well documentee :P
2015-05-13 23:53 <AllenKerensky> frankly my RPG sucks - its all sort of an idea - nothing works well enough to be usable - but hopefully it gets someone else over the finish line
2015-05-13 23:53 <dahlia> *documented
2015-05-13 23:53 <AllenKerensky> and yeah - you got that I was joking right?
2015-05-13 23:54 <dahlia> and you get that I was sarcastic, right? ;)
2015-05-13 23:54 <AllenKerensky> jusst one of those "et tu, touche'" snarky things
2015-05-13 23:54 <AllenKerensky> yeah
2015-05-13 23:54 <AllenKerensky> all code is self-documenting anyway - its so well explained even a dumb cpu can follow it
2015-05-13 23:54 <frnic> Well, I still say the three things OS needs to take off and fly past SL, is - Pupperteering AVs, Simple Mesh editing in world, and bumpless region crossings.
2015-05-13 23:54 <ldlework> AllenKerensky: why didn't you develop it as a region module?
2015-05-13 23:54 <dahlia> if you cant read the source, you probably shouldn't be modifying it
2015-05-13 23:55 <ldlework> We don't do anybody favors by making them climb the craggiest rocks all the time.
2015-05-13 23:55 <AllenKerensky> sorry frnic I disagree - the three things OS needs is a web interface that is nearly effortless basic world view
2015-05-13 23:55 <ldlework> Even if they're capable.
2015-05-13 23:55 <AllenKerensky> those 3Ds would help move past the constant 2D distraction that sucked down LL
2015-05-13 23:56 <dahlia> there's idealism and there's reality. Usually anything that pays is more on the reality side
2015-05-13 23:56 <AllenKerensky> time for everyone to re-read Snow Crash again
2015-05-13 23:56 <frnic> Idlework, I am doing an RPG as a region module. 
2015-05-13 23:56 <ldlework> frnic: cool
2015-05-13 23:56 <frnic> awesome book!
2015-05-13 23:57 <frnic> But, it is “different” and no one will like it - lol...
2015-05-13 23:57 <AllenKerensky> i've been there frnic
2015-05-13 23:57 <dahlia> frnic: why as a region module? what was missing in the scripting?
2015-05-13 23:57 <AllenKerensky> tons is missing in scripting
2015-05-13 23:57 <dahlia> such as?
2015-05-13 23:57 <ldlework> dahlia: with a region module you can use abstractions and code reuse and so on
2015-05-13 23:57 <AllenKerensky> starting with useful persistence for game state
2015-05-13 23:58 <ldlework> that
2015-05-13 23:58 <dahlia> ldlework:  I was asking frnic
2015-05-13 23:58 <ldlework> -.-
2015-05-13 23:58 <dahlia> I am familiar with region modules, Ive written a few myself
2015-05-13 23:58 <ldlework> well then you should know the difference, heh
2015-05-13 23:59 <dahlia> ldlework: I asked frnic
2015-05-13 23:59 <ldlework> kay
2015-05-13 23:59 <frnic> My engine requires some heavy lifting for automating the creating of the game. My system uses a “editor” that an author uses to create a non-linear interactive novel. That editor feeds the region module with a database which is in turn automatically used to create NPCs to play the various parts of the novel.
2015-05-14 00:00 <ldlework> wow that sounds awesome
2015-05-14 00:00 <ldlework> frnic: interactive fiction player?
2015-05-14 00:00 <frnic> could be, the novel could be fiction or non-fiction, the idea is to convert a novel into a 3d world that a person can expereicen.
2015-05-14 00:01 <dahlia> frnic: did you try llHttpRequest for external database access?
2015-05-14 00:01 <ldlework> frnic: that's cool - I was asking if you yourself enjoy traditional interactive fiction
2015-05-14 00:01 <frnic> Ah, not in years, haven’t had time. 
2015-05-14 00:02 <ldlework> I play one every few years when I remember them
2015-05-14 00:02 <frnic> dahlia, I used llhttpRequest extensively in my stores vendors in SL, if OS is the same, it will not work for me. 
2015-05-14 00:02 <dahlia> same, as in too frustrating?
2015-05-14 00:03 <frnic> Hoenstly, I also am concered that OS may not be around when and if I finished, so I wantd as much as possible to be portable to other potential systems. Like HiFi, or others.
2015-05-14 00:03 <frnic> Too slow.
2015-05-14 00:03 <djphil> frnic https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/SLDB-Simple-Database-Storage-For-Second-Life/74318?id=74318&slug=SLDB-Simple-Database-Storage-For-Second-Life
2015-05-14 00:03 <djphil> (work with opensim)
2015-05-14 00:03 <dahlia> well it's open source so it will be around even if we aren't
2015-05-14 00:04 <AllenKerensky> even sldb runs into http throttle problems pretty quickly when you get a large sim of things happening and triggering off of each other like you do in RPGs
2015-05-14 00:04 <frnic> Well, I can’t do everything, and I have been working on this for years and probably will be for a few more years. I would love to work on OS, but I can’t do everything.
2015-05-14 00:04 <dahlia> there's also the mini region module system
2015-05-14 00:05 <dahlia> which allows in-world coding of region modules
2015-05-14 00:05 <dahlia> not sure if/how it still works tho
2015-05-14 00:05 <frnic> I spoke with (BLuewall?) about that a while back. it is not active.
2015-05-14 00:05 <dahlia> but may still work
2015-05-14 00:05 <frnic> Might.
2015-05-14 00:06 <frnic> And to be honest, my deasire for a bumpless region crossing is for my project, so I can ignore region size contraints.
2015-05-14 00:06 <dahlia> I struggle with portability also. I'd like to design some AIs that can be ported across various engines with little effort. I have implemented a region module which allows external programs to manipulate the scene and that seems to work ok 
2015-05-14 00:06 <frnic> And the mesh editing and puppeteering would not be used in my system.
2015-05-14 00:07 <dahlia> and I can adapt it to other engines
2015-05-14 00:07 <frnic> excellent!
2015-05-14 00:07 <dahlia> cmickyb did a similar one, probably more extensive (and better documented) than mine
2015-05-14 00:08 <frnic> One of the things I am working on now is what is called “Phasing” in ESO, where multiple players are at a location but what they see depends on what “phase” of the game they are in.
2015-05-14 00:08 <dahlia> cant remember the name offhand but it allowed programs written in other languages to interact with the scene
2015-05-14 00:08 <dahlia> ESO?
2015-05-14 00:09 <frnic> Elder Scrolls Onlne (Online Skyrim)
2015-05-14 00:09 <dahlia> ah ok never played it, too many games already
2015-05-14 00:09 <frnic> Yeah, understand. it is “story based” RPG which I find inte4resting.
2015-05-14 00:09 <BeyBar> https://github.com/cmickeyb/dispatcher
2015-05-14 00:09 <frnic> anyway. It keeps me out of the bars at night.
2015-05-14 00:10 <dahlia> one could also use my (or cmickyb's) region module to implement an external scripting engine
2015-05-14 00:11 <dahlia> as it allows very fast, privileged access to the scenegraph 
2015-05-14 00:11 <frnic> I have wondered if the interface is clean enough if one could use any language in OS. I would love to use C# or Swift directly.
2015-05-14 00:11 <dahlia> you could do c# scripting in world
2015-05-14 00:12 <dahlia> unless someone removed that capability
2015-05-14 00:12 <frnic> I was always afraid that was “watered” down with limitations - this would be a closed wall grid (mine) and security not so much as issue, since I would be the only once that could script.
2015-05-14 00:13 <dahlia> not sure if/how it's watered, I dont use it myself
2015-05-14 00:13 <dahlia> may be limited by namespace or something
2015-05-14 00:13 <frnic> yeah, that is why I went the region module route. Seemed it would be simplier, and more likely to work wthout restrictions, I am basically not doing anyting inworld in LSL
2015-05-14 00:14 <dahlia> can also add custom LSL APIs via custom region modules with the modinvoke stuff
2015-05-14 00:14 <dahlia> I do that with my pathfinding module
2015-05-14 00:15 <frnic> I even went insane a month ago and considered making some changes to the viewer (singularity) to provide a modified UI for my game. Not sure I am going to be able to do that after looking at the code a while - lol
2015-05-14 00:15 <frnic> I wanted to rip out all editing, and most options, and provide keybinding hotbars, etc.
2015-05-14 00:15 <dahlia> maybe that viewer diva is working on, cant remember the name offhand
2015-05-14 00:16 <dahlia> should allow custom UIs
2015-05-14 00:16 <frnic> Cool, I will look for it.
2015-05-14 00:16 <frnic> If you recall, a year or two ago I was discussing pathfinding with you, that is part of what I am doing.
2015-05-14 00:16 <dahlia> you can also do mini web site-like UIs with LSL
2015-05-14 00:16 <dahlia> in SL also
2015-05-14 00:17 <dahlia> so use the internal browser
2015-05-14 00:17 <BeyBar> http://metaverseink.com/blog/?p=566
2015-05-14 00:17 <dahlia> make html huds
2015-05-14 00:17 <frnic> Well, at the moment I am doign my UI with HUD attachments and scripting teh contents, but that really sucks.
2015-05-14 00:17 <dahlia> ya
2015-05-14 00:18 <frnic> It would be nice to have a modular viewer, that all functionallity was added via external modules, so you could pick and choose which modules you wanted.
2015-05-14 00:19 <frnic> But, a viewer is a massive project, I don’t want to touch that either.
2015-05-14 00:19 <dahlia> yep pretty massive :)
2015-05-14 00:19 <frnic> You have done one or two havent you?
2015-05-14 00:20 <dahlia> several, most from scratch
2015-05-14 00:21 <ldlework> from scratch?
2015-05-14 00:21 <frnic> Sigh, why do we only get such a few years here… if only I have another couple lifetimes.
2015-05-14 00:21 <dahlia> from scratch
2015-05-14 00:21 <dahlia> http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/webglView/
2015-05-14 00:21 <dahlia> thats a recent one
2015-05-14 00:33 <ldlework> dahlia: awesome!
2015-05-14 00:33 <dahlia> :)
2015-05-14 00:34 <ldlework> Its melting my laptop but I bet my gaming rig would run it real good
2015-05-14 00:34 <ldlework> very nice 
2015-05-14 00:34 <dahlia> ya the bottleneck seems to be the webgl api
2015-05-14 00:34 <dahlia> all the crap in there to prevent rogue javascript from taking over
2015-05-14 00:35 <Melanie_T> on my 2013 imac, it doesn't even break a sweat
2015-05-14 00:35 <dahlia> it would if you were in wright plaza
2015-05-14 00:36 <ldlework> 10 fps in firefox, 17 in google chrome
2015-05-14 00:37 <dahlia> I have some code in there to auto adjust draw distance and try to maintain higher fps but it's disabled at the moment due to some buglet
2015-05-14 00:38 <dahlia> (or several buglets, but I'm focusing on avatar appearance at the moment)
2015-05-14 00:38 <ldlework> its really great
2015-05-14 00:40 <dahlia> that one connects directly to the sim but i also have a proxy that can connect to pretty much any grid, including SL
2015-05-14 00:40 <dahlia> although I dont think SL allows proxy services
2015-05-14 00:42 <frnic> I am getting 60 FPS in my homebrew hackintosh running Safari with a nVidia 760.
2015-05-14 00:42 <dahlia> 60 is pretty good 
2015-05-14 00:42 <frnic> it feels very responsive.
2015-05-14 00:43 <frnic> Well, that is according to your little gauage in the corner.
2015-05-14 00:43 <dahlia> nebadon had it running on his phone once I think
2015-05-14 00:43 <frnic> lol
2015-05-14 00:43 <dahlia> or maybe his tablet
2015-05-14 00:43 <dahlia> ya the guage should be accurate
2015-05-14 00:44 <dahlia> 60 is probably the limit for most computers
2015-05-14 00:46 <frnic> Running it on my iPad now, got two errors starting upa bout not being able to init shaders.
2015-05-14 00:46 <frnic> It is up and getting 15 fps
2015-05-14 00:47 <frnic> doesn’t seem to support a touch intereface - lol
2015-05-14 00:47 <dahlia> heh nope
2015-05-14 00:48 <dahlia> those buttons should work, in theory but I really am not a webbie so I dont know why they fail
2015-05-14 00:48 <dahlia> this is pretty much my first attempt at anything javascript 
2015-05-14 00:48 <frnic> Well, I have a “new” iPad, and it seems to get 15 at that scene. Not too shaby
2015-05-14 00:48 <dahlia> ya
2015-05-14 00:49 <dahlia> best I get on my galaxy tab 4 is maybe 5 fps
2015-05-14 00:49 <frnic> I could live with 15 in OSGrid if I could reliably use my iPad on the road.
2015-05-14 00:50 <dahlia> I have another project, a portable c++ viewer that runs on mac, windows, linux, android, ios, but it's in very early stages and has been dormant for several months
2015-05-14 00:51 <dahlia> oh and web too, via emscripten
2015-05-14 00:51 <dahlia> about all it does so far is display a bunch of prims without textures
2015-05-14 00:52 <frnic> hm, strange, now the web page on my hackintosh is down to 30 fps...
2015-05-14 00:52 <frnic> anyway, good work!
2015-05-14 00:52 <dahlia> ty
2015-05-14 00:54 <dahlia> also kinda works on MOAP on recent firestorm http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/viewerinviewer.jpg
2015-05-14 00:54 <dahlia> but couldnt move around
2015-05-14 00:56 <ldlework> so, I was running opensource nvidia driver, switched to binary, getting 47 fps in chrome
2015-05-14 00:56 <dahlia> oh ya nouveau is horrible for performance
2015-05-14 00:56 <dahlia> especially with nvidia
2015-05-14 00:57 <ldlework> yeah will probably help Singularity performance too :)
2015-05-14 00:58 <ldlework> Do all the talks that are listed in that sim actually take place?
2015-05-14 00:58 <ldlework> Or is it just placeholder art
2015-05-14 00:59 <dahlia> they did, was a couple years ago
2015-05-14 00:59 <dahlia> probably on youtube somewhere, nebadon might know
2015-05-14 01:01 <nebadon> what is that?
2015-05-14 01:02 <dahlia> videos of oscc presentations
2015-05-14 01:02 <nebadon> oh
2015-05-14 01:04 <nebadon> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/oscc1
2015-05-14 01:04 <nebadon> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/oscc2
2015-05-14 01:04 <nebadon> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/oscc3
2015-05-14 01:04 <nebadon> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/oscc4
2015-05-14 01:06 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/user/avaconinc
2015-05-14 01:06 <nebadon> youtube is probably better
2015-05-14 01:06 <nebadon> I think there are more videos archived there
2015-05-14 01:07 <nebadon> more info here too http://conference.opensimulator.org/2014
2015-05-14 01:07 <nebadon> more info here too http://conference.opensimulator.org/2013
2015-05-14 01:12 <BlueWall> dahlia, you will have to implement upd over tcp to speed up content delivery :)
2015-05-14 01:12 <dahlia> upd?
2015-05-14 01:12 <BlueWall> udp
2015-05-14 01:12 <dahlia> :P
2015-05-14 01:12 <dahlia> is json over websocket 
2015-05-14 01:12 <dahlia> but it loads faster than any other viewer :P
2015-05-14 01:13 <BlueWall> I like where it is going.
2015-05-14 01:13 <dahlia> it goes in spurts
2015-05-14 01:13 <dahlia> can sit idle for months
2015-05-14 01:13 <BlueWall> wonder if you could render a fixed camera
2015-05-14 01:14 <dahlia> yes
2015-05-14 01:14 <dahlia> a client asked for a feature like that
2015-05-14 01:14 <BlueWall> just to have hundreds of users in a view only mode.
2015-05-14 01:14 <BlueWall> ++
2015-05-14 01:14 <dahlia> it can do a bunch of pre-programmed camera settings, you can cycle thru them
2015-05-14 01:15 <BlueWall> nice, nice
2015-05-14 01:16 <BlueWall> if I login to the sim there with a viewr, can I see my avatar on the web viwer?
2015-05-14 01:16 <dahlia> I'm kinda waiting for vulkan to come out, and see if webgl follows suit before I get real crazy adding stuff
2015-05-14 01:17 <dahlia> BlueWall: not with that one, you can with another version
2015-05-14 01:17 <BlueWall> cool
2015-05-14 01:17 <BlueWall> what is the eta on that vulkan?
2015-05-14 01:19 <BlueWall> ohh, I see they have some preview out.
2015-05-14 01:21 <dahlia> http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/avatars.jpg  <-- avatars in progres...
2015-05-14 01:21 <ldlework> very cool
2015-05-14 01:21 <ldlework> dahlia: is it open source?
2015-05-14 01:22 <dahlia> ldlework: not currently
2015-05-14 01:22 <ldlework> :/
2015-05-14 01:22 <Melanie_T> correct me if i'm wrong but I believe none of dahlia's web browser viewer work has made open source yet?
2015-05-14 01:23 <dahlia> thats correct. I tried to get the rezzable one open but they wouldnt agree
2015-05-14 01:23 <Melanie_T> do all of your web viewer projects involve backers who would deny you opensourcing them?
2015-05-14 01:23 <Melanie_T> even this one?
2015-05-14 01:24 <dahlia> the open source viewers Ive contributed to were OpenViewer, Idealist, Radegast
2015-05-14 01:24 <dahlia> Melanie_T: usually I get some backing, yes
2015-05-14 01:24 <Melanie_T> note i asked about _web viewers_
2015-05-14 01:24 <dahlia> ya Idealist did have a web version
2015-05-14 01:24 <Melanie_T> opensim is being held back by the lack of an in-browser solution
2015-05-14 01:25 <Melanie_T> but that is the one thing everyone sits on and doesn't allow any open sourcing
2015-05-14 01:25 <Melanie_T> and i can't do gfx so i can't make one
2015-05-14 01:25 <dahlia> unfortuately we all have to eat somehow
2015-05-14 01:26 <Melanie_T> so does that mean this new effort is also unlikely to see the light of day?
2015-05-14 01:26 <dahlia> Ive certainly tried to find sponsorship for open source web viewers
2015-05-14 01:26 <dahlia> usually they change their mind about the open part as soon as they sign the check
2015-05-14 01:28 <Melanie_T> what about the "stealability" of javascript solutions?
2015-05-14 01:28 <Melanie_T> isn't that a danger for closed source anyway?
2015-05-14 01:28 <dahlia> dunno. I guess lawyers usually deal with that part
2015-05-14 01:28 <nebadon> there is still the simulator modules
2015-05-14 01:29 <BlueWall> the check signers don't know about that :)
2015-05-14 01:29 <Melanie_T> strange. seeing that copyright only covers the code as such, not the methods used and that business method or software patents are not valid outside the US
2015-05-14 01:29 <Melanie_T> but IANAL
2015-05-14 01:29 <dahlia> certainly you could probably steal it, and maybe even figure out how to get the source back. You would probably find me a bit more difficult to deal with in the future tho
2015-05-14 01:30 <BlueWall> hehe
2015-05-14 01:30 <Melanie_T> i'm no thief and no js wiz
2015-05-14 01:30 <Melanie_T> but others may think that way
2015-05-14 01:30 <Melanie_T> it's why i oopensourced all my js work
2015-05-14 01:30 <Melanie_T> like osgrid's map
2015-05-14 01:30 <dahlia> and others could probably write their own 
2015-05-14 01:30 <Melanie_T> and even some stuff i never had a chance to work up docs and a repo for that we use in avn
2015-05-14 01:31 <Melanie_T> if you d/l the js file, you'll find it has a gpl or mit header :)
2015-05-14 01:31 <nebadon> mheilman said he will be starting on a webgl viewer soon
2015-05-14 01:31 <nebadon> no idea if that will be available to all though
2015-05-14 01:32 <dahlia> I'm certainly not opposed to others doing their own, Ive even offered advice to a few
2015-05-14 01:32 <Melanie_T> well, from the outside, looking in, it seems there is a single entity or collective entity that aims to prevent the development of a free for all, open source web based opensim viewer
2015-05-14 01:32 <dahlia> Im not aware of any such entity
2015-05-14 01:33 <Melanie_T> i don't want to scream "conspiracy" but i believe some vested interests have hooked up
2015-05-14 01:33 <Melanie_T> witness the fact that web based viewers that were actually offered for licensing have never even returned emails or calls from any of my companies
2015-05-14 01:33 <Melanie_T> it does appear like some group likes to prevent opensim social grids from being web based
2015-05-14 01:33 <dahlia> might have something to do with the fact that its a very difficult problem
2015-05-14 01:34 <BlueWall> is it that, or they just fold before completion?
2015-05-14 01:34 <nebadon> personally I dont think the webgl viewer is far enough along for social use
2015-05-14 01:34 <dahlia> probably not
2015-05-14 01:34 <nebadon> and Encitra is all for open sourcing it, but we also want to make sure that dahlia is in a comfortable position and ready to do so
2015-05-14 01:35 <dahlia> nebadon: parts of encitra were all for it, yes
2015-05-14 01:35 <nebadon> I am certainly not going to apply pressure outside of those constraints
2015-05-14 01:35 <Melanie_T> the interesting thing is that with more than 5 web based viewers have been developed over the past 4 years
2015-05-14 01:36 <Melanie_T> not a single one's use case has made enough of a splash to be noticed in europe
2015-05-14 01:36 <dahlia> and I'm not the only person around here attempting to survive financially with a portion of my work being closed source
2015-05-14 01:36 <nebadon> I dont think any of them were ready for any kind of serious use
2015-05-14 01:36 <Melanie_T> looks to me like lots of money being thrown at a liited-audience project in each case
2015-05-14 01:36 <BlueWall> Melanie_T, I thought one was a German firm?
2015-05-14 01:36 <Melanie_T> limited*
2015-05-14 01:36 <nebadon> dahlias work is currently a proof of concept
2015-05-14 01:37 <Melanie_T> what i mean is, there is no "huge commercial project" that has been launched based on any of these 5 efforts
2015-05-14 01:37 <nebadon> but you cant just throw any old simulator in webgl either
2015-05-14 01:37 <Melanie_T> something one would have noticed over base niose level
2015-05-14 01:37 <nebadon> I think it would just not be possible to do so
2015-05-14 01:37 <nebadon> without a ton more work
2015-05-14 01:38 <Melanie_T> nebadon: you'd be surprised what kind of a performance hit users will acceot just to not be required to download and install software explicitly
2015-05-14 01:38 <nebadon> webgl while cool is not capable in my opinion of displaying second life style worlds yet
2015-05-14 01:38 <nebadon> no matter how much work you do
2015-05-14 01:39 <nebadon> its not even a matter of performance
2015-05-14 01:39 <nebadon> its can it even do it
2015-05-14 01:39 <Melanie_T> why should it not?
2015-05-14 01:39 <Melanie_T> maybe you get 0.5fps
2015-05-14 01:39 <nebadon> i doubt you could display Wright Plaza
2015-05-14 01:39 <Melanie_T> but displaying them should be possible
2015-05-14 01:39 <nebadon> it would never finish loading
2015-05-14 01:39 <nebadon> web browser would probably run out of memory lol
2015-05-14 01:39 <Melanie_T> depends on the box
2015-05-14 01:39 <Melanie_T> this can't target computers > 2 yers old
2015-05-14 01:39 <dahlia> you can display wright plaza, you just cant move once you're there ;)
2015-05-14 01:40 <Melanie_T> ad some parts may need to target those less than 1 year old
2015-05-14 01:40 <nebadon> im not even sure my computer could handle it
2015-05-14 01:40 <nebadon> with 4gb GPU memory and 24gb ram
2015-05-14 01:41 <nebadon> opengl es is pretty weak 
2015-05-14 01:41 <dahlia> it's an insanely difficult problem. Ive seen several people attempt to grab the latest 3d js framework and hook it up and fail miserably
2015-05-14 01:41 <BeyBar> Haven't looked at WebGL in a while, but aren't there inherent limitations to it, like a low max number of textures you can load?
2015-05-14 01:41 <dahlia> not really
2015-05-14 01:42 <Melanie_T> i wouldn't know the first thing about it
2015-05-14 01:42 <dahlia> but it is crippled by security
2015-05-14 01:42 <Melanie_T> in what way is security crippling in webgl? just cpu time, or more?
2015-05-14 01:42 <dahlia> api overhead
2015-05-14 01:42 <dahlia> making sure you dont do anything naughty
2015-05-14 01:42 <dahlia> that normal opengl doesnt care to check
2015-05-14 01:43 <nebadon> ya i remember early on alot of people worrying about buffer overflows and stuff
2015-05-14 01:43 <Melanie_T> i think the security paranoia has gone overboard
2015-05-14 01:43 <dahlia> there's also marshalling overhead
2015-05-14 01:44 <nebadon> there are real concerns though too
2015-05-14 01:44 <dahlia> they are real and legitimate
2015-05-14 01:45 <nebadon> the ability to inject code through overflows is very real and not overblown at all
2015-05-14 01:45 <Melanie_T> code injection through overflows is not a sure thing
2015-05-14 01:46 <Melanie_T> and it's platform specific, so just avoid windows
2015-05-14 01:46 <dahlia> no but it is more sure if you do it a zillion times
2015-05-14 01:46 <nebadon> hehe
2015-05-14 01:46 <nebadon> avoid 90% of the planet
2015-05-14 01:46 <Melanie_T> no, 90% of the planet should avoid microsoft
2015-05-14 01:46 <nebadon> unfortunately its hard to build a business on the expectation that only mac and linux users can use your software
2015-05-14 01:47 <nebadon> good luck getting investors with that 
2015-05-14 01:47 <Melanie_T> lol
2015-05-14 01:47 <Melanie_T> you know i'm an anti-windows evangelist
2015-05-14 01:47 <nebadon> hey im staring at 4 linux screens as we speak
2015-05-14 01:47 <Melanie_T> 
ACTION hands nebadon a grain of salt

2015-05-14 01:47 <dahlia> mac and linux are vulnerable too, it's just that people like to pick on m$oft more
2015-05-14 01:48 <nebadon> its a game of numbers too
2015-05-14 01:48 <nebadon> if you have to try a million times
2015-05-14 01:48 <dahlia> and if you suggest a mac vulnerability in the wrong crowd, the fanbois flog you
2015-05-14 01:48 <nebadon> you want atleast a million computers
2015-05-14 01:48 <nebadon> :P
2015-05-14 01:48 <Melanie_T> dahlia: i doubt that buffer overfows that can result in nothing more than random code execution, can, in most cases, be targeted to execute specific code deterministically
2015-05-14 01:48 <dahlia> but the flogging only masks the perception of vulnerabilities, it doesnt prevent it
2015-05-14 01:49 <nebadon> even if all it leads to is computer frozen or reboot
2015-05-14 01:49 <Melanie_T> even then, a properly (means, externally) firewalled system should not be able to do harm
2015-05-14 01:49 <nebadon> its unacceptable
2015-05-14 01:49 <dahlia> Melanie_T: I'm no expert in buffer exploits but I have read some pretty amazing examples of what some hackers can do
2015-05-14 01:49 <ldlework> yeah...
2015-05-14 01:50 <Melanie_T> usually, buffer exploits can't do jack unless a stoopid programmer allocates buffers on the stack
2015-05-14 01:50 <Melanie_T> because that allows deterministic overwriting of return addresses
2015-05-14 01:50 <dahlia> regardless, webgl is crippled
2015-05-14 01:50 <Melanie_T> bad part is, there are many stoopid windows programers
2015-05-14 01:51 <dahlia> I dont think stoopid programmers are exclusive to windows lol
2015-05-14 01:51 <Melanie_T> well, i may not be a total and complete libertarian ;)
2015-05-14 01:51 <Melanie_T> but i believe it should be the user's choice
2015-05-14 01:52 <Melanie_T> so say "disable security for website X"
2015-05-14 01:52 <nebadon> oh you can probably go in and hack out some of this stuff
2015-05-14 01:52 <Melanie_T> and if they do it without understanding what it means
2015-05-14 01:52 <Melanie_T> it's still on them
2015-05-14 01:52 <nebadon> in about:config etc..
2015-05-14 01:52 <nebadon> but its probably a really bad idea
2015-05-14 01:53 <nebadon> unless your really sandboxed
2015-05-14 01:53 <dahlia> there are other security rules, like being able to read and download previously used browser memory
2015-05-14 01:53 <dahlia> or other tabs
2015-05-14 01:53 <dahlia> further crippling the api
2015-05-14 01:53 <Melanie_T> that is what i mean - user should reign supreme
2015-05-14 01:53 <Melanie_T> not be nannied
2015-05-14 01:54 <nebadon> the problem is people can be easily tricked
2015-05-14 01:54 <nebadon> and not realize what they are doing
2015-05-14 01:54 <dahlia> I suspect most of these rules probably came about from prior exploits, and possible lawsuits against large organizaions like google or mozilla
2015-05-14 01:54 <Melanie_T> so what if i'm on a haming rig - not an internet banking account in sight, no mail app
2015-05-14 01:54 <Melanie_T> why would i care?
2015-05-14 01:54 <Melanie_T> gaming*
2015-05-14 01:55 <nebadon> this is why having your own app is probably a much better idea
2015-05-14 01:55 <nebadon> than trying to use native web browser functions
2015-05-14 01:55 <nebadon> make a plugin or build a full blown app
2015-05-14 01:55 <Melanie_T> people will not download a fat app
2015-05-14 01:55 <Melanie_T> most, anyway
2015-05-14 01:55 <nebadon> ya some cant
2015-05-14 01:55 <nebadon> because of company rules
2015-05-14 01:55 <Melanie_T> download and install is anathema to most users today
2015-05-14 01:55 <nebadon> firewall rules
2015-05-14 01:55 <Melanie_T> if you can't view it in a browser, it's not worth viewing
2015-05-14 01:56 <dahlia> ya but also consider that those people probably have low-end computers
2015-05-14 01:56 <nebadon> personally i hate the idea of being boxed into another tab on my web browser
2015-05-14 01:56 <nebadon> hate it
2015-05-14 01:56 <Melanie_T> it's what people want
2015-05-14 01:56 <Melanie_T> and, see above
2015-05-14 01:56 <nebadon> oh ya
2015-05-14 01:56 <Melanie_T> target machines no older than 2 years
2015-05-14 01:56 <nebadon> i see the need
2015-05-14 01:56 <nebadon> and understand the desire
2015-05-14 01:57 <nebadon> but for me it serves little purpose personally
2015-05-14 01:57 <Melanie_T> if you have a web client
2015-05-14 01:57 <Melanie_T> and it runs at 0.1 fps
2015-05-14 01:57 <BeyBar> I know a Millennial Ph.D. student with both a Macbook Pro and a Dell XPS 13 who just plain refuses to download and install anything. :/
2015-05-14 01:57 <Melanie_T> and then pops up
2015-05-14 01:57 <Melanie_T> and says "for your computer generation, download the plugin for better performance"
2015-05-14 01:57 <Melanie_T> they will do it
2015-05-14 01:57 <Melanie_T> instead of being faced with a daunting download link
2015-05-14 01:57 <Melanie_T> from the start
2015-05-14 01:57 <dahlia> they usually download flash
2015-05-14 01:58 <nebadon> still even with unity
2015-05-14 01:58 <dahlia> ewww flash ><
2015-05-14 01:58 <nebadon> i hate playing unity games in web browsers
2015-05-14 01:58 <nebadon> its a horrible experience
2015-05-14 01:58 <dahlia> me too, except maybe raptor safari :D
2015-05-14 01:58 <nebadon> hehe
2015-05-14 01:58 <nebadon> not being able to interface HID too
2015-05-14 01:58 <nebadon> thats a big hinderence
2015-05-14 01:59 <nebadon> basically your stuck with minimal array of keys
2015-05-14 01:59 <nebadon> a lot of keys are bound to web browsers
2015-05-14 01:59 <dahlia> ya PITA too
2015-05-14 01:59 <nebadon> terrible experience
2015-05-14 01:59 <nebadon> people think they want it
2015-05-14 01:59 <dahlia> alt-shift *cringes*
2015-05-14 01:59 <nebadon> but likely wont stick with it long
2015-05-14 01:59 <nebadon> they want it now cause it sounds good in their heads
2015-05-14 01:59 <Melanie_T> enough time to get hooked and d/l the fatclient
2015-05-14 02:00 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-14 02:00 <nebadon> that I can see
2015-05-14 02:00 <nebadon> but it cant be the forever solution, not yet anyway
2015-05-14 02:00 <nebadon> a lot of work is still needed
2015-05-14 02:00 <Melanie_T> opensim is not going to make this race without a free web client
2015-05-14 02:00 <Melanie_T> although even startups like altspace VR still need a fatclient
2015-05-14 02:00 <Melanie_T> but the "taste" people get in the browser
2015-05-14 02:01 <Melanie_T> is the thing that is paramount
2015-05-14 02:01 <nebadon> ya I doubt you can use any HID stuff in web browser yet
2015-05-14 02:01 <dahlia> there's also the amazon thing
2015-05-14 02:01 <nebadon> other than mouse/keyboard
2015-05-14 02:01 <Melanie_T> amazon's rep in europe is shot
2015-05-14 02:01 <nebadon> what amazon thing?
2015-05-14 02:01 <dahlia> just europe?
2015-05-14 02:01 <nebadon> i must have missed something
2015-05-14 02:01 <Melanie_T> people buy ebooks for kindle and the odd knickknack
2015-05-14 02:01 <Melanie_T> but there is no trust in amazon here
2015-05-14 02:01 <dahlia> nebadon: didnt you do a viewer in amazon?
2015-05-14 02:01 <nebadon> ooh
2015-05-14 02:01 <nebadon> appstream
2015-05-14 02:01 <nebadon> ya
2015-05-14 02:02 <nebadon> its cool
2015-05-14 02:02 <dahlia> ya that
2015-05-14 02:02 <nebadon> but expensive
2015-05-14 02:02 <BeyBar> http://www.brightcanopy.com/
2015-05-14 02:02 <nebadon> for the average joe
2015-05-14 02:02 <nebadon> ya bright canopy uses ec2
2015-05-14 02:02 <nebadon> much better interface than appstream
2015-05-14 02:02 <Melanie_T> amazon runs slave farms in eastern europe and even in the west. it's hit the news last year causing boycotts on xmas shopping
2015-05-14 02:02 <nebadon> i wouldnt be surprised if amazon buys them up
2015-05-14 02:02 <nebadon> to replace appstream
2015-05-14 02:03 <nebadon> bright canopy will likely supernova at some point
2015-05-14 02:03 <nebadon> either be assimilated
2015-05-14 02:03 <nebadon> or bought to be shut down
2015-05-14 02:03 <dahlia> well I'm no amazon fan, never have been... just saying there are alternatives
2015-05-14 02:03 <dahlia> I've been playing in the web viewer space for several years and I still have issues to solve
2015-05-14 02:03 <Melanie_T> no "render on server, stream to you" service will ever work
2015-05-14 02:04 <Melanie_T> do the math
2015-05-14 02:04 <nebadon> it works in very niche environments
2015-05-14 02:04 <Melanie_T> it all dies on the inverse economy of scale
2015-05-14 02:04 <nebadon> for Encitra its a god send
2015-05-14 02:04 <nebadon> becasue have you ever tried getting a veiwer to connect through a corporate firewall?
2015-05-14 02:04 <Melanie_T> it does 10 users well
2015-05-14 02:04 <Melanie_T> 100 at breakeven
2015-05-14 02:04 <Melanie_T> 500 with tricks
2015-05-14 02:04 <nebadon> i think it rather bleach my eyes than continue to deal with that
2015-05-14 02:04 <Melanie_T> but at 1000 it breaks down
2015-05-14 02:05 <dahlia> well I know how to penetrate a firewall with webgl
2015-05-14 02:05 <nebadon> yea i just mean the stock LL viewer to opensim
2015-05-14 02:05 <Melanie_T> thing is, if you need one entire machine per online client
2015-05-14 02:05 <nebadon> on a government firewall that only allows port 80
2015-05-14 02:05 <Melanie_T> the point where you need to charge each client as much as a capable machine would cost over 6 months
2015-05-14 02:05 <nebadon> you know how annoying it is to try to convince them to open all the required ports
2015-05-14 02:05 <dahlia> but still, corp manager PCs arent known for graphics performance
2015-05-14 02:05 <nebadon> it suuuucks
2015-05-14 02:05 <Melanie_T> is quickly reached
2015-05-14 02:05 <nebadon> surprisingly alot of the people we deal with
2015-05-14 02:06 <nebadon> have machines that are quite capable
2015-05-14 02:06 <nebadon> lenovo laptops with nvidia 8xx level cards
2015-05-14 02:06 <nebadon> alot of business machines are quite powerful now adays
2015-05-14 02:06 <Melanie_T> so they ned to hop into TOR
2015-05-14 02:06 <nebadon> enough for opengl
2015-05-14 02:06 <Melanie_T> onto*
2015-05-14 02:06 <nebadon> hah ya if they dont like their job
2015-05-14 02:07 <nebadon> tor is not an easy solution either
2015-05-14 02:07 <nebadon> for the viewer
2015-05-14 02:07 <nebadon> it can be horribly slow
2015-05-14 02:07 <Melanie_T> no. tor tunnel to external proxy running gridproxy
2015-05-14 02:07 <nebadon> which is very bad for gigantic models like encitra has
2015-05-14 02:07 <nebadon> yea I thought about that
2015-05-14 02:07 <nebadon> but how many proxies am i going to run
2015-05-14 02:07 <dahlia> there used to be a working socks proxy in viewers but it seems broken now
2015-05-14 02:07 <nebadon> 100
2015-05-14 02:07 <nebadon> pfft
2015-05-14 02:07 <nebadon> thats a nightmare
2015-05-14 02:08 <Melanie_T> everyone who wants to go online runs theor own?
2015-05-14 02:08 <nebadon> brightcanopy is really great 
2015-05-14 02:08 <nebadon> for our needs
2015-05-14 02:08 <nebadon> even at its current level of cost
2015-05-14 02:08 <nebadon> its pretty slick and it works very well
2015-05-14 02:08 <nebadon> but for the average joe
2015-05-14 02:08 <nebadon> it just doesnt make sense
2015-05-14 02:08 <Melanie_T> encitra isn't expecting concurrencies in the 10s of thousands
2015-05-14 02:08 <nebadon> no
2015-05-14 02:09 <nebadon> definitley not
2015-05-14 02:09 <Melanie_T> it's why it WorksForYou(™)
2015-05-14 02:09 <nebadon> but bright canopy can do a lot of stuff
2015-05-14 02:09 <nebadon> can run any app
2015-05-14 02:09 <nebadon> its not just SL/OpenSim
2015-05-14 02:09 <nebadon> which is why it may succeed
2015-05-14 02:10 <dahlia> maybe
2015-05-14 02:10 <Melanie_T> the economics of scale are against it
2015-05-14 02:10 <nebadon> its not just "gaming"
2015-05-14 02:10 <Melanie_T> sorry but it's headed for the point of diminishing returns
2015-05-14 02:10 <Melanie_T> as people leave apps open without really using them
2015-05-14 02:10 <Melanie_T> habit
2015-05-14 02:10 <dahlia> "success" might be selling IP to a deep pockets corp just before the investors sue
2015-05-14 02:10 <nebadon> yes
2015-05-14 02:10 <BeyBar> Isn't BrightCanopy focusing on SL/OpenSim? https://fra.me/ looks more like a generic thing.
2015-05-14 02:10 <nebadon> thats one of the down sides of doing it on ec2
2015-05-14 02:10 <nebadon> if you use it for 5 minutes
2015-05-14 02:11 <nebadon> you get charged for 1 hour
2015-05-14 02:11 <Melanie_T> commercial success != marketplace success
2015-05-14 02:11 <nebadon> building your own on appstream
2015-05-14 02:11 <nebadon> its to the second
2015-05-14 02:11 <nebadon> if you use 5 minutes and 15 seconds
2015-05-14 02:11 <nebadon> thats all you get charged for
2015-05-14 02:11 <nebadon> ec2 you use 1 hour and 1 minute
2015-05-14 02:11 <nebadon> its 2 hours
2015-05-14 02:11 <nebadon> which sucks
2015-05-14 02:11 <dahlia> heh
2015-05-14 02:11 <dahlia> 1 hour increments?
2015-05-14 02:12 <nebadon> yes
2015-05-14 02:12 <Melanie_T> not even to start on the privacy implications
2015-05-14 02:12 <Melanie_T> of recording in/out traffic serverside
2015-05-14 02:12 <Melanie_T> to later datamine
2015-05-14 02:12 <nebadon> that sounds expensive
2015-05-14 02:12 <nebadon> heh
2015-05-14 02:12 <Melanie_T> i don't use any "web drive" solutons, "cloud" services or external mail servers
2015-05-14 02:12 <nebadon> talk about diminishing returns
2015-05-14 02:12 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-14 02:13 <dahlia> well Melanie_T I still do seek sponsorship for open source viewers, but it's just very difficult to find. May happen someday :)
2015-05-14 02:13 <nebadon> personally i also hate the idea of cloud
2015-05-14 02:13 <Melanie_T> i keep all my data on my hardware
2015-05-14 02:13 <nebadon> cloud to me is just a term for Mainframe / Dumb Terminal
2015-05-14 02:13 <nebadon> for dummies
2015-05-14 02:13 <nebadon> as much as I love steam
2015-05-14 02:13 <Melanie_T> dahlia: publishing the exact monetary needs would go a long way of gathering that support
2015-05-14 02:13 <nebadon> i dont trust it
2015-05-14 02:13 <Melanie_T> check out crowdfunders
2015-05-14 02:13 <BeyBar> dahlia, is it a trade secret, or could you name a ballpark figure for how much it would cost to develop a web-based viewer from scratch?
2015-05-14 02:13 <nebadon> the horror stories i hear about Sony and Steam
2015-05-14 02:14 <nebadon> people buying 1000s of dollars in games
2015-05-14 02:14 <nebadon> on steam and sony
2015-05-14 02:14 <nebadon> if you dispute a charge
2015-05-14 02:14 <nebadon> they disable your account if you demand a refund
2015-05-14 02:14 <dahlia> BeyBar: it's unknown amount currently
2015-05-14 02:14 <nebadon> I just dont see how "cloud" can be succesful if thats how its going to be
2015-05-14 02:14 <Melanie_T> well, dahlia, witout a ballpark no one will invest
2015-05-14 02:14 <Melanie_T> i know i won't
2015-05-14 02:15 <Melanie_T> call it $1000, $5000, $1000, $20000, $100000
2015-05-14 02:15 <BeyBar> Yeah, it's a little hard to get funded for unknown amounts.
2015-05-14 02:15 <Melanie_T> if there is atarget support can be found
2015-05-14 02:15 <nebadon> one would have to determine how much pain they were willing to live with
2015-05-14 02:15 <nebadon> I am not sure just paying developers is enough
2015-05-14 02:15 <Melanie_T> but i for one am not in the habit of shoveling money into bottomless barrels
2015-05-14 02:16 <BlueWall> Black Hole Bank and Trust Co. LTD
2015-05-14 02:16 <dahlia> :D
2015-05-14 02:16 <nebadon> cause if that were the case we would probably already being seeing succesful webgl based metaverses
2015-05-14 02:16 <Melanie_T> so the funding question is put up or shut up
2015-05-14 02:16 <nebadon> and to my knowledge we are not
2015-05-14 02:16 <nebadon> we are seeing 1990s level arcade games
2015-05-14 02:16 <Melanie_T> either state a amount you can be sure to be able to deliver on
2015-05-14 02:16 <dahlia> no I usually set reasonable and fair limits and objectives
2015-05-14 02:16 <Melanie_T> then see if you get fundd
2015-05-14 02:16 <Melanie_T> or not state an amount and get zip
2015-05-14 02:17 <dahlia> I'm just not in the habit of pulling numbers out of the air and declaring them in public
2015-05-14 02:17 <nebadon> I have to say Cloud Party was a good attempt, but it was no Second Life
2015-05-14 02:17 <BeyBar> I will venture a guess: Dahlia could do it in a year. So I'll say the ballpark is $100 000.
2015-05-14 02:17 <nebadon> far from it
2015-05-14 02:17 <Melanie_T> well, if public funding is what you seek, change that habit
2015-05-14 02:17 <BlueWall> dahlia, would you need a team?
2015-05-14 02:18 <dahlia> BlueWall: probably, depending on the feature set. There's a lot about web coding that I am ignorant of, I'm more focused on graphics and rendering and networking
2015-05-14 02:18 <BlueWall> How about Kickstarter, etc.?
2015-05-14 02:19 <dahlia> ya that's been considered
2015-05-14 02:19 <BlueWall> If you put up a bottom dollar price and you get that you get funded.
2015-05-14 02:19 <dahlia> I'm also in a bit of a holding pattern waiting on vulkan
2015-05-14 02:19 <BlueWall> right
2015-05-14 02:19 <BlueWall> what is that exactly?
2015-05-14 02:20 <dahlia> new open graphics api
2015-05-14 02:20 <BlueWall> like Flash (concept wise)?
2015-05-14 02:20 <dahlia> high performance
2015-05-14 02:20 <dahlia> more like OpenGL++
2015-05-14 02:20 <BlueWall> ahhh
2015-05-14 02:20 <nebadon> ya what I would be afraid of right now, me personally about it, is I am not convinced webgl and javascript are enough
2015-05-14 02:20 <BlueWall> so not really web tec
2015-05-14 02:20 <nebadon> could spend a lot of money and get nothing more than a dead end
2015-05-14 02:20 <Melanie_T> opensim would probably profit more, and people would like more, to have the bird in the hand now
2015-05-14 02:21 <Melanie_T> 0.1fps "look in on us" option is preferable to "2 years down the line a full client"
2015-05-14 02:21 <dahlia> anyway I need to go afk. can discuss this ore later.
2015-05-14 02:21 <dahlia> *more
2015-05-14 02:21 <nebadon> ya but without some form of authentication
2015-05-14 02:21 <nebadon> you could run the risk of much easier to dos a simulator
2015-05-14 02:21 <BlueWall> Even if webgl was too slow for poewer users, it would probably lower the barrier to new users enough to get them in-world 
2015-05-14 02:22 <nebadon> you cant have 1000 people hitting a simulator
2015-05-14 02:22 <nebadon> its just not going to happen
2015-05-14 02:22 <nebadon> there are lots of things to think about
2015-05-14 02:22 <nebadon> before you can just slap a web interface on a simulator
2015-05-14 02:23 <Melanie_T> that is up to the grid operator
2015-05-14 02:24 <BeyBar> I don't see how authentication or user numbers would be more of a problem with a web-based viewer than with a standalone one.
2015-05-14 02:24 <Melanie_T> i do subscribe to the debian philosophy
2015-05-14 02:24 <Melanie_T> if someone doesn't RTFM, let them hit the wall running
2015-05-14 02:24 <nebadon> beybar with a fat viewer
2015-05-14 02:24 <nebadon> you cant automate a bot army at a single click
2015-05-14 02:25 <ldlework> that negates the value of a web viewer?
2015-05-14 02:25 <BeyBar> I can with libomv... but I still need to log in all the bots.
2015-05-14 02:25 <nebadon> no but it defintitely defines how it needs to be done
2015-05-14 02:25 <nebadon> cant just willy nilly slap an unprotected interface to a simulator and hope for the best either
2015-05-14 02:26 <ldlework> unprotected?
2015-05-14 02:26 <Melanie_T> the use of this outweighs potential abuse
2015-05-14 02:26 <BeyBar> So you need to enforce login as usual. 
2015-05-14 02:27 <nebadon> ya I dont disagree but as i stands today that is not how it works
2015-05-14 02:27 <nebadon> its a direct web socket interface to directly to the simulator
2015-05-14 02:27 <Melanie_T> nebadon: leave security to the user
2015-05-14 02:27 <Melanie_T> the grid owner can decide
2015-05-14 02:27 <BeyBar> This is really not an issue, nebadon. 
2015-05-14 02:27 <Melanie_T> i just wish the tools were there - a webgl viewer
2015-05-14 02:28 <Melanie_T> i can handle the server side
2015-05-14 02:28 <Melanie_T> i just don't know jack about rendering 
2015-05-14 02:28 <nebadon> ya i suppose
2015-05-14 02:28 <nebadon> im not convinced yet
2015-05-14 02:28 <nebadon> ive seen the current viewer work on heavy regions
2015-05-14 02:28 <nebadon> for me i would not come back a second time
2015-05-14 02:28 <nebadon> if that was my first experience
2015-05-14 02:28 <nebadon> but thats just me i guess
2015-05-14 02:29 <Melanie_T> neb, don't nanny the grid owners or users
2015-05-14 02:29 <nebadon> i am not
2015-05-14 02:29 <Melanie_T> what you would or i would is irrelevant
2015-05-14 02:29 <nebadon> im just expressing my experience so far
2015-05-14 02:29 <Melanie_T> relavent is puttingthe tools out ther
2015-05-14 02:29 <nebadon> hey if it were soley my choice id share it 
2015-05-14 02:29 <nebadon> dont have to convince me
2015-05-14 02:29 <BeyBar> A Kickstarter campaign to get a web-based viewer funded could be a good way to not only get the money, but also to gauge interest.
2015-05-14 02:30 <nebadon> perhaps
2015-05-14 02:30 <nebadon> it could also complicate matters, you cant just do kickstarter
2015-05-14 02:30 <nebadon> without having some kind of business savy either
2015-05-14 02:30 <nebadon> and the ability to manage money
2015-05-14 02:30 <nebadon> ive seen so many kickstarters take in a lot of money
2015-05-14 02:31 <nebadon> and never provide a single line of code or product
2015-05-14 02:31 <Melanie_T> soneone who's been freelancing for years has that ability
2015-05-14 02:31 <Melanie_T> or can hire an acountant
2015-05-14 02:31 <Melanie_T> do you thing i do avination's taxes myself?
2015-05-14 02:31 <Melanie_T> i have chartered accountants who do it
2015-05-14 02:31 <Melanie_T> i wouldn't know the first thing about how to do it
2015-05-14 02:31 <nebadon> no and I totally agree but if thats not something dahlia is interested in either
2015-05-14 02:31 <nebadon> not much we can do about that
2015-05-14 02:31 <Melanie_T> hasn't kept me from running it for 6 year snow
2015-05-14 02:32 <nebadon> i was hoping mheliman would pipe up
2015-05-14 02:32 <nebadon> and share his thoughts on his approach and availabilty will be
2015-05-14 02:32 <nebadon> mheilman*
2015-05-14 02:33 <nebadon> or if he even has any kind of time frame in mind at this point, i don't even know
2015-05-14 02:33 <nebadon> I am certianly not the best advocate for this kind of thing
2015-05-14 02:33 <nebadon> i have very little interest in a web based browser
2015-05-14 02:33 <BeyBar> Well... suppose a bunch of people ran a Kickstarter with an ambitious target. Say $100 000. Clearly stating that developers will be hired if the campaign succeeds. If it does, and Dahlia is presented with the money, would she still not be interested? 
2015-05-14 02:33 <nebadon> id certainly get involved and test it
2015-05-14 02:34 <nebadon> but its not at the top of my list of priorities at this point either
2015-05-14 02:34 <nebadon> I cant speak for dahlia but i suspect that would improve the odds
2015-05-14 02:35 <BeyBar> I suspect it would improve them dramatically, since she has repeatedly agreed to do such work for hire, and the provenance of the money is irrelevant at that point.
2015-05-14 02:35 <nebadon> the question is, is that enough
2015-05-14 02:35 <nebadon> 100,000$ sounds like alot
2015-05-14 02:35 <nebadon> but its really not
2015-05-14 02:35 <BeyBar> It's roughly one man-year.
2015-05-14 02:35 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-14 02:36 <nebadon> considering how much LL spent on their viewer
2015-05-14 02:36 <BlueWall> that is less than 1 year salary for 1  dev
2015-05-14 02:36 <nebadon> i dont even think you would have gotten a splash screen for 100k
2015-05-14 02:36 <nebadon> its literally in the 10's of millions 
2015-05-14 02:36 <nebadon> im not sure anyone even truely knows how much they spent
2015-05-14 02:36 <nebadon> but it was an incredible amount
2015-05-14 02:37 <BlueWall> Also - after delivery, how do you monetize the project because it will need support and feature additions.
2015-05-14 02:37 <linkedinyou> 50,000$ had ran facebook in it is start stage ,, they just needed a place to start..
2015-05-14 02:37 <BlueWall> Maybe the project would collect enough opensource developers to carry on
2015-05-14 02:37 <BlueWall> Facebook is just a website
2015-05-14 02:38 <nebadon> ya facebook probably "borrowed" alot of existing code too
2015-05-14 02:38 <BlueWall> a viwer is in another univers
2015-05-14 02:38 <linkedinyou> web-base viewer will be built on it is services
2015-05-14 02:39 <BlueWall> html != webgl
2015-05-14 02:39 <nebadon> yea your talking abour writing shaders and stuff
2015-05-14 02:39 <BlueWall> also all the different facilities needed to allow the user to interact with it.
2015-05-14 02:39 <BeyBar> We know a WebGL viewer is doable in a relatively short timeframe, because it has already been done. The original investment that went into the SL viewer is relevant mainly because we can all benefit from it; there is no need to reinvent the whole thing.
2015-05-14 02:40 <linkedinyou> what run the 2d games in facebook?
2015-05-14 02:40 <nebadon> yes but even dahlia said webgl probably isnt enough
2015-05-14 02:40 <nebadon> why dahlia is waiting for vulkan
2015-05-14 02:40 <ldlework> doesn't unreal run in opengl?
2015-05-14 02:41 <ldlework> Maybe just don't try to build your own rendering engine from scratch?
2015-05-14 02:41 <nebadon> i think unreal uses very specific formats
2015-05-14 02:41 <ldlework> That's not really an insurmountable problem if true
2015-05-14 02:41 <BlueWall> and no Linux I think?
2015-05-14 02:41 <nebadon> and it requries an extremely high skillset to create useable content
2015-05-14 02:41 <nebadon> it does have linux now
2015-05-14 02:41 <nebadon> but you cant just slap opensim content into unreal
2015-05-14 02:41 <ldlework> nebadon: I have used unreal
2015-05-14 02:41 <BlueWall> ohh, cool
2015-05-14 02:41 <BeyBar> That seems a little odd. Vulkan is a replacement for OpenGL. Maybe there will eventually be a WebVulkan, but it's premature to expect that now.
2015-05-14 02:41 <nebadon> it doesnt work that way
2015-05-14 02:42 <ldlework> nebadon: uh you can import stuff from basically any major authoring software into unreal with a few clicks
2015-05-14 02:42 <nebadon> give it a shot
2015-05-14 02:42 <nebadon> try to import a large opensim build
2015-05-14 02:42 <ldlework> I'm just returning one point in a conversation
2015-05-14 02:42 <nebadon> i bet its not "a few clicks"
2015-05-14 02:42 <ldlework> That doesn't mean its on me to build an unreal viewer..
2015-05-14 02:42 <nebadon> ya we are talking about displaying opensim content
2015-05-14 02:42 <nebadon> natively on the fly
2015-05-14 02:42 <ldlework> What are you talking about? Of course importing an opensim format into unreal would take the work of writing an importer
2015-05-14 02:43 <ldlework> We were talking about basic meshes
2015-05-14 02:43 <ldlework> basic mesh data
2015-05-14 02:43 <nebadon> the idea was to make a opensim viewer with unreal
2015-05-14 02:43 <ldlework> yeah
2015-05-14 02:43 <nebadon> its not basic mesh though
2015-05-14 02:43 <nebadon> we dont store collada
2015-05-14 02:43 <ldlework> right, so you'd have to write the viewer part
2015-05-14 02:43 <BlueWall> I rememebr the bubblesim client stack - it would be col to have different things like that available.
2015-05-14 02:43 <ldlework> of an unreal viewer.
2015-05-14 02:43 <linkedinyou> collada is chached?
2015-05-14 02:44 <nebadon> there is no collada
2015-05-14 02:44 <nebadon> the viewer converts it
2015-05-14 02:44 <nebadon> to a proprietary LLSD format
2015-05-14 02:44 <ldlework> BlueWall: what was that?
2015-05-14 02:44 <nebadon> im not saying its impossible to do it unreal
2015-05-14 02:44 <nebadon> im just saying unreal doesnt make it easier
2015-05-14 02:45 <ldlework> nebadon: it handles the efficiency of the rendering engine part which was the original point
2015-05-14 02:45 <BlueWall> it was a viewer that interoperated with opensim a few years back
2015-05-14 02:45 <ldlework> of why I said this in the first place
2015-05-14 02:45 <nebadon> well i was just speaking generally idlework
2015-05-14 02:45 <ldlework> "sl viewer" is just another usage of unreal like any other application
2015-05-14 02:45 <nebadon> not trying to counter what you are saying
2015-05-14 02:45 <ldlework> alright
2015-05-14 02:45 <BlueWall> I think it had a concept of no-boundary terrain.
2015-05-14 02:46 <ldlework> BlueWall: like streaming?
2015-05-14 02:46 <BlueWall> it rendered all the prims just like the sl viewer
2015-05-14 02:46 <nebadon> but i can say
2015-05-14 02:46 <nebadon> one of the reason unreal demos seem so efficient
2015-05-14 02:46 <nebadon> is because highly skilled professionals are creating the content
2015-05-14 02:46 <nebadon> something we need to keep in mind
2015-05-14 02:47 <nebadon> that the large majority of opensim / sl conten
2015-05-14 02:47 <nebadon> is not created by professionals
2015-05-14 02:47 <BlueWall> Dahlia can probably tell you more about it, I think she was involved in the viewr development.
2015-05-14 02:47 <BeyBar> I remember Dahlia made at least one Unity-based viewer a few years ago. 
2015-05-14 02:47 <BlueWall> but, it was sort-of a different kind of world running in parallel with the SL viewer client stack.
2015-05-14 02:48 <BlueWall> yes
2015-05-14 02:48 <nebadon> unity is still lacking on Linux?
2015-05-14 02:48 <nebadon> thats one of the downsides there
2015-05-14 02:48 <BlueWall> I think you can run it?
2015-05-14 02:48 <nebadon> otherwise it might be a good solution
2015-05-14 02:48 <BlueWall> no dev it.
2015-05-14 02:48 <nebadon> i dont know honestly
2015-05-14 02:48 <nebadon> can you?
2015-05-14 02:48 <nebadon> i should try
2015-05-14 02:48 <BlueWall> I think you can just run it.
2015-05-14 02:48 <nebadon> last time i tried a long while back i had no luck
2015-05-14 02:48 <BeyBar> Linux is supported now, but more importantly, Unity can now export to WebGL
2015-05-14 02:49 <nebadon> uhmm
2015-05-14 02:49 <nebadon> well
2015-05-14 02:49 <nebadon> Unsupported platform
2015-05-14 02:49 <nebadon> when i try to run unity demos
2015-05-14 02:49 <nebadon> on their website
2015-05-14 02:49 <nebadon> soo yea
2015-05-14 02:49 <nebadon> guess not
2015-05-14 02:49 <BlueWall> google it
2015-05-14 02:49 <BlueWall> it may be a 3rd party client
2015-05-14 02:49 <nebadon> the website syas mac windows only
2015-05-14 02:50 <nebadon> the unity website
2015-05-14 02:50 <nebadon> https://unity3d.com/showcase/live-demos
2015-05-14 02:50 <nebadon> so even if it does work on linux
2015-05-14 02:50 <BeyBar> http://unity3d.com/unity/multiplatform
2015-05-14 02:50 <nebadon> its not straight forward
2015-05-14 02:50 <BlueWall> http://unity3d.com/unity/multiplatform
2015-05-14 02:50 <nebadon> yea but their demos do not run
2015-05-14 02:50 <nebadon> so i dunno
2015-05-14 02:51 <nebadon> anyone have an example tha runs in linux for them
2015-05-14 02:51 <nebadon> or actually do it?
2015-05-14 02:51 <BlueWall> they won't support a Linux editor anyways
2015-05-14 02:52 <nebadon> i remember trying like 6-8 months ago
2015-05-14 02:52 <nebadon> at one point they said ya linux support
2015-05-14 02:52 <nebadon> via Adobe Flash
2015-05-14 02:52 <nebadon> then Adobe said no more flash dev on Linux
2015-05-14 02:52 <nebadon> like the same week
2015-05-14 02:53 <BlueWall> haha, they hate us geeks
2015-05-14 02:54 <nebadon> i wonder if there are any unreal demos for linux
2015-05-14 02:55 <BeyBar> https://wiki.unrealengine.com/Linux_Demos
2015-05-14 02:55 <nebadon> ah these are standalone
2015-05-14 02:55 <nebadon> i meant in web browser
2015-05-14 02:55 <nebadon> lol tappy chicken
2015-05-14 02:56 <nebadon> downloading the elemental demo
2015-05-14 02:56 <nebadon> if im doing it going for the big one
2015-05-14 02:56 <BlueWall> lol, typical neb
2015-05-14 02:57 <BeyBar> Well, Unreal are the ones who worked with Mozilla to do the asm.js demos 1-2 years ago... like the medieval town one.
2015-05-14 02:57 <nebadon> ya
2015-05-14 02:57 <nebadon> i dont think i ever tried that in linux
2015-05-14 02:57 <nebadon> i was still running windows primarly back then
2015-05-14 02:58 <nebadon> ive tried some neat webgl demos
2015-05-14 02:58 <nebadon> but nothing that made my jaw hit the floor yet
2015-05-14 02:59 <nebadon> http://www.ro.me
2015-05-14 02:59 <nebadon> is probably the coolest one ive seen so far
2015-05-14 03:00 <linkedinyou> BlueWall:  read this and you will like it http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/wa-webgl1/
2015-05-14 03:01 <nebadon> that is besides my 3d pong
2015-05-14 03:01 <nebadon> http://onikenkon.com/webgl2/pong2/
2015-05-14 03:01 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-14 03:01 <BlueWall> thanks
2015-05-14 03:02 <linkedinyou> nebadon: lol see Figure 10. Epic Citadel
2015-05-14 03:02 <linkedinyou> BlueWall:  see the Figure 10. Epic Citadel on that page
2015-05-14 03:02 <BlueWall> I see :)
2015-05-14 03:02 <linkedinyou> BlueWall:  remmber the picture lol
2015-05-14 03:02 <BlueWall> the link is dead though
2015-05-14 03:03 <BlueWall> yes :)
2015-05-14 03:03 <nebadon> yea epic citadel is very nice
2015-05-14 03:03 <linkedinyou> something behind the seen is happing lol
2015-05-14 03:03 <nebadon> its a very well made model
2015-05-14 03:03 <nebadon> part of why it works well in webgl
2015-05-14 03:03 <linkedinyou> yes 
2015-05-14 03:03 <nebadon> its meticulously crafted model
2015-05-14 03:04 <BlueWall> heh
2015-05-14 03:04 <BlueWall> Tappy chicken
2015-05-14 03:04 <nebadon> hehe ya
2015-05-14 03:04 <BlueWall> lol
2015-05-14 03:04 <BlueWall> I killed it
2015-05-14 03:04 <nebadon> elemental downloaded
2015-05-14 03:04 <nebadon> im extracting
2015-05-14 03:04 <BlueWall> @#
2015-05-14 03:05 <BlueWall> C64 game
2015-05-14 03:06 <nebadon> hmm wierd
2015-05-14 03:06 <nebadon> i cant seem to open the bz2 file
2015-05-14 03:06 <nebadon> oh there it goes
2015-05-14 03:06 <nebadon> must have a ton of files inside
2015-05-14 03:08 <linkedinyou> scroll down read what about the auther and what he is doing lol http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/wa-webgl1/wa-webgl1-pdf.pdf
2015-05-14 03:08 <BlueWall> haha, now think about pushing all that out to each user that logs in while constantly updating the ones already there :)
2015-05-14 03:08 <nebadon> ah ya I remember this dempo
2015-05-14 03:08 <nebadon> i watched this on windows long time ago
2015-05-14 03:08 <nebadon> this is nice
2015-05-14 03:09 <nebadon> yea there is no way you could do a demo this nice in webgl
2015-05-14 03:09 <nebadon> this is really high end
2015-05-14 03:09 <nebadon> just the particles alone
2015-05-14 03:09 <nebadon> and the physics
2015-05-14 03:09 <nebadon> cool demo
2015-05-14 03:15 <nebadon> damn good compression too on the zip 1gb to 2.7gb
2015-05-14 03:15 <nebadon> no wonder it took a while
2015-05-14 03:17 <nebadon> I wish there was some really good webgl demos
2015-05-14 03:17 <nebadon> not much out there
2015-05-14 03:18 <nebadon> its crazy that Unreal engine uses Tappy Chicken
2015-05-14 03:18 <nebadon> like why bother
2015-05-14 03:18 <nebadon> you could do that in javascript witout webg
2015-05-14 03:19 <nebadon> this is what worries me
2015-05-14 03:19 <nebadon> no one is showing anything cool in webgl
2015-05-14 03:19 <nebadon> how can anyone expect it to be good enough for our needs
2015-05-14 03:22 <linkedinyou> nebadon:  this waht thy use http://glmatrix.net/
2015-05-14 03:22 <linkedinyou> what they uses?
2015-05-14 03:23 <nebadon> who?
2015-05-14 03:23 <nebadon> there is all kinds of javascript stuff for webgl
2015-05-14 03:23 <nebadon> three.js
2015-05-14 03:23 <linkedinyou> unreal
2015-05-14 03:24 <nebadon> one of the more popualar ones I messed with has cool examples
2015-05-14 03:24 <nebadon> I dont know
2015-05-14 03:24 <nebadon> this is unrealds webgl demo
2015-05-14 03:24 <nebadon> http://unrealengine.com/html5
2015-05-14 03:24 <nebadon> like seriously
2015-05-14 03:24 <nebadon> nothing better than that?
2015-05-14 03:24 <nebadon> hehe
2015-05-14 03:24 <linkedinyou> i have downloaded there packages years ago it is very large
2015-05-14 03:24 <linkedinyou> lol
2015-05-14 03:24 <nebadon> the standalone apps are very impressive
2015-05-14 03:25 <nebadon> but its not webgl
2015-05-14 03:25 <nebadon> nor could they be done in webgl
2015-05-14 03:25 <nebadon> well tappy chicken can obviously
2015-05-14 03:25 <nebadon> but apparantly thats all it can do
2015-05-14 03:25 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-14 03:25 <nebadon> not very encouraging
2015-05-14 03:26 <nebadon> and while ive seen a lot of very artisitic webgl stuff
2015-05-14 03:26 <nebadon> i have yet to find anything that holds my interest for more than about 15 minutes
2015-05-14 03:26 <linkedinyou> i did not like it since the begging i ran away it is massive this unreal packages
2015-05-14 03:26 <nebadon> ya
2015-05-14 03:26 <nebadon> that 2 minute demo is 2.7gb
2015-05-14 03:26 <nebadon> like sheesh
2015-05-14 03:26 <nebadon> 2 minutes
2015-05-14 03:27 <nebadon> thats a little bit absurd
2015-05-14 03:27 <nebadon> a game of that quality would have to ship on like 5 50gb blueray discs
2015-05-14 03:27 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-14 03:28 <linkedinyou> i do not have blueray the have to ship it for me lol
2015-05-14 03:28 <nebadon> a really impressive demo/benchmark is Unigine
2015-05-14 03:28 <nebadon> by far the best graphical demo i have seen in linux
2015-05-14 03:29 <nebadon> too bad unigine is super expensive
2015-05-14 03:29 <linkedinyou> for me CryEngine the best lol
2015-05-14 03:29 <nebadon> does that run on linux?
2015-05-14 03:29 <linkedinyou> i do not know
2015-05-14 03:29 <nebadon> i dont think so
2015-05-14 03:29 <nebadon> i think that is DX
2015-05-14 03:30 <nebadon> interesting
2015-05-14 03:30 <nebadon> http://www.crytek.com/news/conference-attendees-can-also-see-a-brand-new-mobile-game-extra-engine-updates-and-much-more-at-crytek-s-booth
2015-05-14 03:31 <nebadon> hmm this article makes it sound less excitinhg
2015-05-14 03:31 <nebadon> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTYzOTA
2015-05-14 03:31 <linkedinyou> http://techreport.com/news/26193/crytek-demos-cryengine-for-linux-at-gdc
2015-05-14 03:31 <nebadon> like ya we can but who gives a shit
2015-05-14 03:32 <nebadon> from what i hear too
2015-05-14 03:32 <nebadon> Valve is hemoraging linux users
2015-05-14 03:32 <nebadon> because alot of the hot titles are just not available
2015-05-14 03:32 <nebadon> so its very hard to keep people interested in linux platform for gaming
2015-05-14 03:32 <nebadon> almost no mainstream games available yet
2015-05-14 03:33 <nebadon> i play CS:Source
2015-05-14 03:33 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-14 03:33 <linkedinyou> linux still the tech platform
2015-05-14 03:33 <nebadon> almost 12 year old game
2015-05-14 03:33 <linkedinyou> regular users has no interset in linux 
2015-05-14 03:34 <nebadon> well steambox
2015-05-14 03:34 <nebadon> they were pushing hard
2015-05-14 03:34 <nebadon> it needs block buster titles
2015-05-14 03:34 <nebadon> or no one will care
2015-05-14 03:34 <nebadon> you cant expect linux to be popular
2015-05-14 03:34 <nebadon> if you cant get the games
2015-05-14 03:34 <nebadon> catch 22
2015-05-14 03:34 <linkedinyou> i have used all unix linux platform since decaded and now typing for you from window lol
2015-05-14 03:35 <nebadon> ive all but given up on windows
2015-05-14 03:35 <nebadon> i keep it for emergencies
2015-05-14 03:35 <nebadon> ive lost faith in PC gaming
2015-05-14 03:35 <linkedinyou> ya
2015-05-14 03:35 <nebadon> its dead
2015-05-14 03:35 <nebadon> never to recover I suspect
2015-05-14 03:35 <nebadon> xbox and playstation have won
2015-05-14 03:36 <nebadon> PC is an after thought if your lucky
2015-05-14 03:36 <nebadon> which is pretty lame considering both xbox and playstation are now pcs
2015-05-14 03:36 <nebadon> hardware wise anyway
2015-05-14 03:48 <dahlia> epic castle region, I get solid 60fps on laptop while also running a couple other 3d apps  http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/webglView.castle/
2015-05-14 03:48 <nebadon> ncie
2015-05-14 03:48 <dahlia> definately a well designed model :)
2015-05-14 03:48 <nebadon> ya its a great model
2015-05-14 03:48 <nebadon> yea im getting 58fps
2015-05-14 03:49 <dahlia> not 60?
2015-05-14 03:49 <nebadon> ah 60 now
2015-05-14 03:49 <nebadon> i guess it was still loading maybe
2015-05-14 03:49 <dahlia> ya asset docoding isnt threaded
2015-05-14 03:49 <nebadon> its funny to the Oculus roller coaster demo uses this model too
2015-05-14 03:49 <nebadon> the roller coaster goes all around the castle
2015-05-14 03:50 <dahlia> heh
2015-05-14 03:51 <dahlia> I hear rift set a release date
2015-05-14 03:51 <dahlia> forgot what it was tho
2015-05-14 03:51 <nebadon> yea I think its next year
2015-05-14 03:51 <nebadon> 2016
2015-05-14 03:51 <nebadon> may or something
2015-05-14 03:52 <dahlia> not sure if I will jump on the bandwagon, my vision prolly not good enough
2015-05-14 03:53 <nebadon> if i get one
2015-05-14 03:53 <nebadon> it will be so i can make 3d videos
2015-05-14 03:54 <nebadon> create videos that can play on google cardboard or something
2015-05-14 03:55 <dahlia> heh
2015-05-14 03:57 <nebadon> I dont do much gaming
2015-05-14 03:57 <nebadon> I cant imagine what else I could really use it for, maybe do some demos of opensim now and then to customers
2015-05-14 03:58 <nebadon> for these models we do there is a lot of interest in the oculus for sure
2015-05-14 10:10 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-14 10:21 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-14 10:35 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-05-14 11:05 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-05-14 11:39 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-05-14 15:42 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-14 15:43 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-05-14 16:59 <osmantis> Bug #7568:04 llCastRay V3 needs throttling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7568 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-14 17:01 <osmantis> Bug #7568:04 llCastRay V3 needs throttling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7568 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-05-14 17:02 <osmantis> Bug #7568:04 llCastRay V3 needs throttling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7568 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007546.
2015-05-14 17:02 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007568.
2015-05-14 17:07 <osmantis> Bug #7568:04 llCastRay V3 needs throttling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7568 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-14 18:16 <nebadon> BlueWall > http://pastebin.com/BZN1s7Em
2015-05-14 18:17 <nebadon> I didnt get a chance to talk directly to her, but she left me that on other chat
2015-05-14 18:18 <nebadon> her and dan have definitively shown that it is indeed opensim caching it though
2015-05-14 18:18 <nebadon> what a pain
2015-05-14 18:18 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-14 18:20 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-14 18:21 <SammyG3> nebadon, there is another bug report on Ubuntu, for VMs and there is a patch submitted for them.  see http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519
2015-05-14 18:24 <nebadon> interesting
2015-05-14 18:24 <nebadon> kernel changes though
2015-05-14 18:24 <nebadon> thats not such good news
2015-05-14 18:24 <nebadon> that could mean its unfixable on certain platforms
2015-05-14 18:24 <nebadon> if this is indeed related
2015-05-14 18:26 <nebadon> all depends on how far it gets back ported
2015-05-14 18:26 <nebadon> if it does at all
2015-05-14 18:27 <SammyG3> Its only showing fixes for Trusty (14.04 LTS) forward
2015-05-14 18:27 <nebadon> ya
2015-05-14 18:27 <SammyG3> Ive heard that 12.04 LTS has not had these issues, have not verified
2015-05-14 18:27 <nebadon> the patch itself has nothing to do with ubuntu
2015-05-14 18:27 <nebadon> that patch is directly to the linux kernel
2015-05-14 18:28 <nebadon> thats linus personal github it links to
2015-05-14 18:28 <SammyG3> 
ACTION is not a programmer/developer, is rather a network admin ( of his own network )

2015-05-14 18:28 <SammyG3> I dont know a lot about this stuff, just helping test, etc.
2015-05-14 18:28 <SammyG3> thats interesting
2015-05-14 18:29 <nebadon> so it really comes down to what versions of linux will backport this fix
2015-05-14 18:29 <nebadon> and how far back they will
2015-05-14 18:29 <SammyG3> the bug reported mentioned this in his email to me. 
2015-05-14 18:29 <SammyG3> Originally I thought this issue only occurred on VMs, but that might be incorrect.
2015-05-14 18:29 <SammyG3> Also if Fedora also experiences it  then someone will have to pick up their kernel sources, patch it, build it and test if those commits fix it on Fedora.
2015-05-14 18:29 <nebadon> it could explain why my Raspberry Pi didnt crash
2015-05-14 18:29 <nebadon> it was running Trusty
2015-05-14 18:29 <nebadon> now im running Ubuntu Mate 15.04
2015-05-14 18:29 <SammyG3> Im on trusty, but the newer kernels, over past couple months, have been giving me issues
2015-05-14 18:30 <SammyG3> newer something
2015-05-14 18:30 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-14 18:30 <nebadon> its hard to say
2015-05-14 18:31 <SammyG3> the MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU=2048 helped me a lot, but still get occasional crashes, and im not liking the extra memory it is using, somehow its related.  I didnt need the extra threads before.  My Hypergrid Depot region runs hundreds of listner scripts.
2015-05-14 18:32 <nebadon> what kind of memory usage are you seeing?
2015-05-14 18:32 <SammyG3> 5.7gb (including os) before, with extra treads, im pushing 7.0gb(including os)
2015-05-14 18:32 <SammyG3> 5.7-6gb before
2015-05-14 18:34 <SammyG3> and the 7gb is with me removing a region that may have had 5000 so prims with a couple hundred scripts
2015-05-14 18:35 <nebadon> so about a gig for opensim then
2015-05-14 18:35 <SammyG3> this could effect ARM processors different than Intel/AMD, thats why your PI has been running ok
2015-05-14 18:35 <SammyG3> about a gig.
2015-05-14 18:36 <nebadon> yea probably
2015-05-14 18:36 <SammyG3> I have a core2quad 2.4gz, 8gb computer that I use.  I try to limit myself to that, else I'll have a server farm in a backroom before long
2015-05-14 18:37 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-14 18:42 <JeffKelley> SammyG3: running 14.04.1 LTS, Linux kernel 3.10.23, MONO 3.2.8 without any crash ; MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU is 2000
2015-05-14 18:44 <SammyG3> you are running older kernel, im on most recent release 3.13.0-52-generic, so you would probably not have an issue since the issue started with the more recent kernels 3.13.0-48-generic +
2015-05-14 18:44 <JeffKelley> probably
2015-05-14 18:45 <SammyG3> SuSe is having a similar issue, not sure about others.
2015-05-14 18:49 <nebadon> ya the problem starts after 3.11
2015-05-14 18:49 <nebadon> im running 3.11 on opensuse 13.1 and its also fine
2015-05-14 18:49 <nebadon> but on OpenSuse 13.2 its constant crashing
2015-05-14 18:49 <nebadon> I need to fire up my VM and update it
2015-05-14 18:49 <nebadon> do more testing
2015-05-14 18:51 <AliciaRaven> i had another sigsegv on startup, so it seems me saying mono threads per cpu had fixed my problem was wrong, it has helped tho
2015-05-14 18:52 <AliciaRaven> running ubuntu 14.04.2 with kernel 3.10.23 and mono 3.2.8
2015-05-14 18:53 <nebadon> huh interesting AliciaRaven
2015-05-14 18:53 <JeffKelley> I had sigsegv trying MONO 3.12.1 on the same host
2015-05-14 18:53 <nebadon> you might be the first person I have heard running an older kernel with this problem
2015-05-14 18:54 <AliciaRaven> for me its only an intermitent startup crash, once its started up, then i know it will be ok, so thats one good thing
2015-05-14 18:56 <nebadon> yea for me it starts fine
2015-05-14 18:56 <nebadon> but even empty region sitting idle eventually crashes
2015-05-14 18:57 <nebadon> usually within an hour or two
2015-05-14 18:57 <nebadon> im updating my vm now to see if anything has changed
2015-05-14 18:57 <AliciaRaven> have you tried with ODE nebadon?
2015-05-14 18:57 <nebadon> I have not
2015-05-14 18:57 <nebadon> however my crashes have never made any mention of bulletsim
2015-05-14 18:58 <AliciaRaven> that bullet crash i posted was at the exact same place the sigsegv occurs, i dont think its coincidence
2015-05-14 18:58 <nebadon> always something about pthread
2015-05-14 18:58 <nebadon> ya its possible your crash is something different entirely
2015-05-14 18:58 <AliciaRaven> the bullet error was with a threaded callback tho
2015-05-14 18:58 <nebadon> for me it happens with a completely empty sim
2015-05-14 18:58 <nebadon> just a flat terrain, no content, no avatars
2015-05-14 18:59 <AliciaRaven> wouldnt hurt to try ODE just to rule it out
2015-05-14 18:59 <nebadon> yea I can try
2015-05-14 18:59 <nebadon> I just need to remember how i configured opensim on this vm
2015-05-14 19:00 <nebadon> been a few months since i turned it on
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2015-05-15 14:17 <osmantis> Bug #7564:04 Inventory download hangs temporarily or permanently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7564 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007567.
2015-05-15 14:17 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007564.
2015-05-15 15:18 <Plugh> grr... sometimes I think I should go through the OS source tree to de-tabify it and remove trailing whitespace
2015-05-15 15:34 <Plugh> Morning, nebadon
2015-05-15 15:34 <nebadon> hello :)
2015-05-15 15:36 <Plugh> Someone just made me aware of missing functionality in llGetEnv(). I discovered whitespace errors in the file that I'd either have to leave or I'll have to commit as a separate change.
2015-05-15 15:36 <Plugh> in LSL_Api.cs
2015-05-15 15:36 <nebadon> yea you can always fix it after you commit your code
2015-05-15 15:36 <nebadon> thats fine
2015-05-15 15:36 <nebadon> i occasionally do that on small patches
2015-05-15 15:36 <nebadon> that others send in
2015-05-15 15:37 <nebadon> if there are to man I will bounce it back, or let someone else deal with it
2015-05-15 15:37 <nebadon> many*
2015-05-15 15:38 <Plugh> I know Melanie has been known to complain about whitespace changes in a code patch making it harder to merge OS changes in to the Avination code. That's mainly why I was thinking of doing a commit to fix whitespace separately from the actual code change.
2015-05-15 15:38 <nebadon> yea that is fine
2015-05-15 15:39 <nebadon> I dont think she has any problem with removing white space
2015-05-15 15:39 <nebadon> just adding in more
2015-05-15 15:39 <nebadon> and leaving it there
2015-05-15 15:40 <Plugh> My problem is I use vi(m) and thanks to someone from another project I have macros that automatically detabify a file and remove trailing white space. If I make a patch and want to minimize whitespace changes I have to move the macros out of the way first before editing a file.
2015-05-15 16:53 <Trinity93> hey nebadon lookie what i has https://plus.google.com/u/0/+TrinityBays/posts/eN2x3ECD8EQ
2015-05-15 16:56 <nebadon> nice, BlueWall just got one too
2015-05-15 16:57 <Trinity93> dont bother with video or 3d though
2015-05-15 16:57 <nebadon> heh ya that is not surprising
2015-05-15 16:57 <Trinity93> i have tried everything and cant get it to play video smoothly
2015-05-15 16:57 <nebadon> even my pi2 has some trouble
2015-05-15 16:57 <Trinity93> run x nice though
2015-05-15 16:57 <nebadon> with the raspberry Pi you have to buy a license for the decoder
2015-05-15 16:57 <nebadon> and their is only 1 command line player that works
2015-05-15 16:58 <Trinity93> but anyways i didnt buy it to do graphics so im not to concerned
2015-05-15 16:58 <nebadon> omxplayer
2015-05-15 16:59 <Trinity93> i just figured i would hack on it a bit to see what it could do and not do
2015-05-15 16:59 <nebadon> nice
2015-05-15 16:59 <Trinity93> befoe i started my actula project
2015-05-15 16:59 <nebadon> im sure it makes for a nice router
2015-05-15 16:59 <Trinity93> well thats sorta what im gona use it for
2015-05-15 16:59 <nebadon> bluewall has openwrt running on his
2015-05-15 17:00 <Trinity93> im making a ax25 to ethernet gateway
2015-05-15 17:00 <Trinity93> i have a working image for openwrt
2015-05-15 17:00 <Trinity93> though wget on it is borked for some reason
2015-05-15 17:00 <nebadon> you trying to do Internet over ham radio?
2015-05-15 17:00 <Trinity93> so opkg dosent work
2015-05-15 17:01 <Trinity93> sorta but not tied to the real internet
2015-05-15 17:01 <nebadon> nice
2015-05-15 17:02 <Trinity93> ax25 on the hf bands is hard
2015-05-15 17:02 <Trinity93> but thats my goal
2015-05-15 17:03 <Trinity93> trying to find some one who knows how to write QAM code
2015-05-15 17:03 <Trinity93> i can do QPSK witch is similar now
2015-05-15 17:04 <Trinity93> but i wana up the ante and do 16QAM
2015-05-15 17:04 <Trinity93> and up my data rate with out using more symbols
2015-05-15 17:05 <Trinity93> im limited to 300 symbols a sec
2015-05-15 17:05 <Trinity93> by fcc regs
2015-05-15 17:05 <nebadon> heh
2015-05-15 17:06 <nebadon> you could probably run a BBS :)
2015-05-15 17:06 <Trinity93> hdtv uses 256QAM
2015-05-15 17:07 <Trinity93> basiclay a symbol constilation of 256 symbols
2015-05-15 17:08 <Trinity93> the problem with using more symbols i a constilation is it becomes more subseptiable to noise and fading
2015-05-15 17:08 <Trinity93> so 16QAM is problay the limit
2015-05-15 17:09 <Trinity93> QPSK uses roughly 4 to 8 symbol constilation
2015-05-15 17:10 <Trinity93> the max i can get with it is about 2500 bits per second thoughput
2015-05-15 17:10 <Trinity93> with out going over the symbol rate limitation
2015-05-15 17:10 <nebadon> not too bad
2015-05-15 17:10 <nebadon> my first phone modem was 300 baud
2015-05-15 17:10 <nebadon> heh
2015-05-15 17:11 <Trinity93> ah yes the old bell telephone spec
2015-05-15 17:11 <Trinity93> 300 symbol afsk
2015-05-15 17:11 <AllenKerensky> 1980 pasadena public library - discussion of Ward's original XMODEM code and how to make your own 50-150bps modem using RS232 line driver chips
2015-05-15 17:12 <AllenKerensky> ah the heady days of the local user groups and micro pc hackers
2015-05-15 17:12 <nebadon> :) some y-modem-g
2015-05-15 17:13 <AllenKerensky> zmodem for the win
2015-05-15 17:13 <AllenKerensky> y-modem was basically the first "streaming"
2015-05-15 17:13 <AllenKerensky> just firehose stuff and assume the smart modem will correct and retrain...
2015-05-15 17:14 <AllenKerensky> I can still remember the wonder of my first 300 smart modem... no more Answer/Originate switch, no more push-to-connect carrier button
2015-05-15 17:14 <AllenKerensky> the beast would answer its own phone line
2015-05-15 17:14 <nebadon> yea if you had a good us robotics dual standard :)
2015-05-15 17:14 <AllenKerensky> or you just got its ATTENTION and fed it a number to dial
2015-05-15 17:15 <AllenKerensky> yeah I had a pile of those evil black ones on my last bbs
2015-05-15 17:15 <AllenKerensky> the red cylon of death ones
2015-05-15 17:15 <Trinity93> atdt
2015-05-15 17:16 <Trinity93> atz +++
2015-05-15 17:16 <Trinity93> is all you neded to know 
2015-05-15 17:16 <AllenKerensky> hehehe or typing rzsz in chat just to see who fell off as their terminal went into zmodem then hung on fail
2015-05-15 17:16 <Trinity93> :P
2015-05-15 17:16 <AllenKerensky> kids these days just snapchat at each other
2015-05-15 17:16 <AllenKerensky> what do they learn from that? (besides well, how instaporn works)
2015-05-15 17:17 <AllenKerensky> ever since AOL opened their gateway, I've been in favor of an internet license like amateur radio does
2015-05-15 17:17 <AllenKerensky> "you must be this smart to use a modem"
2015-05-15 17:17 <jakdaniels> Trinity93: have you tried WSPR on a pi?
2015-05-15 17:18 <Trinity93> no
2015-05-15 17:18 <jakdaniels> it uses the pin to directly generate the frequency on one io pin
2015-05-15 17:18 <Trinity93> i just got my banana pi a day or two ago
2015-05-15 17:18 <jakdaniels> sorry, uses the pi
2015-05-15 17:18 <Trinity93> oh your talking about the fm radio hack
2015-05-15 17:19 <AllenKerensky> yeah you can hammer the GPIO pin with a wire lead to transmit like a Mr. Microphone
2015-05-15 17:19 <AllenKerensky> play MP3s at your radio
2015-05-15 17:19 <Trinity93> a banana pi can do everything a rasberry pi can do
2015-05-15 17:19 <Trinity93> it just has slightly more horsepower
2015-05-15 17:19 <AllenKerensky> yeah as long as its the same GPIO pin between them the code may even work as is
2015-05-15 17:20 <jakdaniels> it can send and receive low power hf transmissions, and act as a beacon
2015-05-15 17:20 <jakdaniels> F1D mode
2015-05-15 17:20 <Trinity93> well you just mod the freq
2015-05-15 17:20 <Trinity93> thats not to hard
2015-05-15 17:20 <Trinity93> your better off using a real transceiver though
2015-05-15 17:21 <Trinity93> for fm vhf stuff you can get full ht on a chip 
2015-05-15 17:21 <Trinity93> and hook it to a pi
2015-05-15 17:22 <Trinity93> for hf you should look at the softrock transceiver kit
2015-05-15 17:23 <jakdaniels> I prefer my trusty icom radio for hf ;)
2015-05-15 17:23 <Trinity93> the main reason is you still need lowpass filters and stuff or the hams in your area will come track you down hehe
2015-05-15 17:24 <jakdaniels> I'm remote here.... nearest other ham about 12miles away
2015-05-15 17:26 <Trinity93> put a bug zapper in your back yard
2015-05-15 17:26 <Trinity93> he will come looking for you hehe
2015-05-15 17:32 <Littlefeather> anyone here know simiangrid i cant install it it says Directory /var/www/grid/Grid/map is not writable but i have checked it is world writable
2015-05-15 17:33 <nebadon> might need to make sure www-data owns it
2015-05-15 17:33 <nebadon> or whoever your apache user is
2015-05-15 17:34 <nebadon> i have had that problem when trying to write log files from php
2015-05-15 17:38 <Littlefeather> i figured it out the key to error was directory simian is missing the map directory 
2015-05-15 17:44 <Littlefeather> does simiangrid use a gatekeeper? for gridcommons
2015-05-15 17:53 <nebadon> mheilman is probably the most knowledgable person with simiangrid right now LittleFeather
2015-05-15 17:54 <Littlefeather> thank you
2015-05-15 17:56 <H-H-H> is opensim,s git repos being slow again? viewgit is taking forever to load
2015-05-15 17:56 <nebadon> H-H-H dont click summary
2015-05-15 17:56 <nebadon> it takes a very long time to load
2015-05-15 17:57 <nebadon> always use shortlog
2015-05-15 17:57 <nebadon> we have soo many branches it takes forever for the summary page to load
2015-05-15 17:57 <nebadon> and to answer your question no its now slow and viewgit is nice and fast for me
2015-05-15 17:57 <H-H-H> im still waiting for the page that the link in wiki points to 
2015-05-15 17:57 <nebadon> I can only assume you clicked the summary link
2015-05-15 17:57 <nebadon> what wiki page?
2015-05-15 17:57 <nebadon> please show me
2015-05-15 17:58 <H-H-H> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Source_Code_Repository
2015-05-15 17:58 <nebadon> yeeeap
2015-05-15 17:58 <nebadon> let me fix that so sorry
2015-05-15 17:58 <nebadon> here you go H-H-H
2015-05-15 17:58 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=shortlog&p=opensim
2015-05-15 17:59 <nebadon> I also fixed the wiki, thanks for pointing that out
2015-05-15 17:59 <H-H-H> no probs :)
2015-05-15 17:59 <H-H-H> ty for fixing it :)
2015-05-15 18:16 <H-H-H> i noticed some work on the inventory issues recently, can any one say if it has helped or is it still to early to tell?
2015-05-15 18:17 <nebadon> it is an incredible boost in performance
2015-05-15 18:17 <nebadon> OSgrid is running the latest code
2015-05-15 18:18 <H-H-H> well i jst pulled latest code so will have a play and see if i can break it lol
2015-05-15 18:18 <nebadon> before the changes
2015-05-15 18:18 <nebadon> i made 3000 test links in my inventory
2015-05-15 18:18 <nebadon> you can paste inventory as links
2015-05-15 18:18 <nebadon> after 3 hours of loading my inventory only downloaded about 95$
2015-05-15 18:18 <nebadon> 95%
2015-05-15 18:19 <nebadon> after the new code it too 1.5 minutes
2015-05-15 18:19 <nebadon> took*
2015-05-15 18:19 <H-H-H> nice :)
2015-05-15 18:28 <Plugh> The Solutions file with git master needs to be updated. I just tried to build OS using monodevelop and it fails. Mostly due to missing assembly references.
2015-05-15 18:30 <Plugh> oh, nm (I think). Problem is in an add on module. 
2015-05-15 18:34 <Plugh> Does anyone know whether if there is anything in OpenSim that records the time when a region was started?
2015-05-15 18:35 <nebadon> show uptime
2015-05-15 18:35 <nebadon> on the console
2015-05-15 18:36 <Plugh> oh, ok. I just have to track down where it is in the code.
2015-05-15 18:41 <Plugh> Found it. Unfortunately the uptime value is currently a protected variable.
2015-05-15 18:49 <Plugh> Does OpenSim instances have the concept of idling? In SL a region idles when there is no one in the region.
2015-05-15 18:55 <SianaGearz> how did you lot know that i wear headphones >.>
2015-05-15 19:07 <SianaGearz> nebadon: earplugs just never sound the same. they have a strong resonance around 6-8 KHz that isn't nearly as strong in headphones. headphones usually have 4KHz resonance, but it's often enough very well controlled.
2015-05-15 19:18 <mheilman> sorry Littlefeather, I was AFK.  Did you still need help with Simian?
2015-05-15 19:18 <Littlefeather> yes
2015-05-15 19:19 <mheilman> I run the MOSES grid, which uses Simian
2015-05-15 19:20 <Littlefeather> I tried that an i get Installation has been completed but i have removed the confi files
2015-05-15 19:20 <Littlefeather> ok cleared cache that helped
2015-05-15 19:21 <Littlefeather> should i use the mgm simiangrid?
2015-05-15 19:22 <nebadon> I am sure that would be very helpful for testing
2015-05-15 19:22 <nebadon> MGM is pretty cool, though I am not sure if it will totally fit your needs
2015-05-15 19:22 <nebadon> I have only used MGM I never set it up
2015-05-15 19:22 <nebadon> not sure how well it works in a wide area network
2015-05-15 19:22 <Kubwa> Hey devs.... i have just a tiny little question (if congifuration problem or opensim code problem): does someone knows why a script https request returns the following result? -> [12:18]  Primitive: 499  Error getting response stream (Write: BeginWrite failure): SendFailure
2015-05-15 19:23 <mheilman> Our simiangrid is slightly modified for MGM to query it, but otherwise it is the same.  Simian places a lock file when it installs, I'll look up the filename for you
2015-05-15 19:23 <nebadon> Kubwa I am not sure, just didnt want you think I was ignoring you :)
2015-05-15 19:24 <mheilman> under my Grid/config folder, it placed InstallerFinished_Simian_Grid, you need to find and delete these before the installer will run again
2015-05-15 19:24 <mheilman> ls
2015-05-15 19:25 <Littlefeather> ok
2015-05-15 19:25 <Kubwa> it seems to happen on linux with mono, never on windows
2015-05-15 19:25 <Kubwa> could it be a general mono problem?
2015-05-15 19:26 <nebadon> oh i just noticed you said https
2015-05-15 19:26 <nebadon> yes
2015-05-15 19:26 <nebadon> there is a guide on diva distro
2015-05-15 19:26 <nebadon> how to make https work with mono
2015-05-15 19:26 <nebadon> let me find it
2015-05-15 19:26 <Kubwa> awesome, thank you :)
2015-05-15 19:27 <nebadon> https://github.com/diva/d2/wiki/Wifi
2015-05-15 19:27 <nebadon> search for SSL UNDER MONO
2015-05-15 19:27 <diva> I've had lots of issues with it
2015-05-15 19:28 <nebadon> its specific for gmail 
2015-05-15 19:28 <nebadon> but you should be able to figure it out
2015-05-15 19:28 <diva> mylatest distro includes an option to simply skip certificate verification
2015-05-15 19:28 <Kubwa> thank you it helps me :)
2015-05-15 19:28 <diva> (did I say I hate PKI)
2015-05-15 19:28 <nebadon> great Kubwa
2015-05-15 19:30 <Littlefeather> mheilman just finished installing
2015-05-15 19:35 <mheilman> ok, did you install all of them or just one?  Simian requires a separate installation step for Grid, GridPublic, and GridLogin
2015-05-15 19:36 <mheilman> Probably GridFrontend as well if you arent using a different front end
2015-05-15 19:36 <ldlework> diva: someone mentioned a few days ago that you're looking to potentially introduce a new scripting engine?
2015-05-15 19:37 <diva> maybe. if my evil twin cooperates
2015-05-15 19:37 <ldlework> I too am looking at the same goal
2015-05-15 19:38 <nebadon> diva do you think its possible to prevent teleports until inventory download finishes?
2015-05-15 19:38 <diva> what do you have in mind?
2015-05-15 19:38 <ldlework> diva: I want to essentially replicate the design of Phlox
2015-05-15 19:38 <Plugh> I'd be interested in helping test a new script engine.
2015-05-15 19:38 <diva> mever heard of phjox, let me look it up
2015-05-15 19:38 <Littlefeather> sweet i can login
2015-05-15 19:39 <ldlework> diva: its the scripting engine used in InWorldz
2015-05-15 19:39 <diva> isn't that propriertary?
2015-05-15 19:39 <ldlework> Yeah it is
2015-05-15 19:40 <Kubwa> after executing the second command from the diva tutorial, i get the following result: System.IO.IOException: BeginWrite failure
2015-05-15 19:40 <Kubwa>   at System.Net.Sockets.NetworkStream.BeginWrite (System.Byte[] buffer, Int32 offset, Int32 size, System.AsyncCallback callback, System.Object state) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
2015-05-15 19:40 <Kubwa>   at Mono.Security.Protocol.Tls.RecordProtocol.BeginSendRecord (ContentType contentType, System.Byte[] recordData, System.AsyncCallback callback, System.Object state) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
2015-05-15 19:40 <Kubwa>   at Mono.Security.Protocol.Tls.RecordProtocol.SendRecord (ContentType contentType, System.Byte[] recordData) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
2015-05-15 19:40 <Kubwa>   at Mono.Security.Protocol.Tls.RecordProtocol.SendAlert (Mono.Security.Protocol.Tls.Alert alert) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
2015-05-15 19:40 <Kubwa>   at Mono.Security.Protocol.Tls.RecordProtocol.SendAlert (AlertDescription description) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
2015-05-15 19:40 <Kubwa>   at Mono.Security.Protocol.Tls.SslStreamBase.AsyncHandshakeCallback (IAsyncResult asyncResult) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
2015-05-15 19:40 <Kubwa> [ERROR] FATAL UNHANDLED EXCEPTION: System.IO.IOException: BeginWrite failure
2015-05-15 19:40 <Kubwa>   at System.Net.Sockets.NetworkStream.BeginWrite (System.Byte[] buffer, Int32 offset, Int32 size, System.AsyncCallback callback, System.Object state) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
2015-05-15 19:40 <Kubwa>   at Mono.Security.Protocol.Tls.RecordProtocol.BeginSendRecord (ContentType contentType, System.Byte[] recordData, System.AsyncCallback callback, System.Object state) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
2015-05-15 19:40 <Kubwa>   at Mono.Security.Protocol.Tls.RecordProtocol.SendRecord (ContentType contentType, System.Byte[] recordData) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
2015-05-15 19:40 <Kubwa>   at Mono.Security.Protocol.Tls.RecordProtocol.SendAlert (Mono.Security.Protocol.Tls.Alert alert) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
2015-05-15 19:40 <Kubwa>   at Mono.Security.Protocol.Tls.RecordProtocol.SendAlert (AlertDescription description) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
2015-05-15 19:40 <ldlework> oh god
2015-05-15 19:40 <Kubwa>   at Mono.Security.Protocol.Tls.SslStreamBase.AsyncHandshakeCallback (IAsyncResult asyncResult) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
2015-05-15 19:40 <Kubwa> same error i got in opensim script :/
2015-05-15 19:40 <ldlework> Kubwa: pastebin?
2015-05-15 19:40 <nebadon> Kubwa please use pastebin
2015-05-15 19:40 <Kubwa> ok, sorry
2015-05-15 19:40 <nebadon> :)
2015-05-15 19:40 <Plugh> Kubwa, Please use a pastebin site if you want to pass along that sort of information.
2015-05-15 19:41 <Kubwa> http://pastebin.com/D0DswGHG
2015-05-15 19:41 <diva> well, I'm not into reimplmeneting proprietary engines. but good luck
2015-05-15 19:41 <nebadon> I dont have much experience with https stuff like this
2015-05-15 19:41 <Plugh> Start by making sure that http works then you can test with https.
2015-05-15 19:42 <Kubwa> http works
2015-05-15 19:42 <Plugh> ok
2015-05-15 19:42 <nebadon> https://bugzilla.xamarin.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11570
2015-05-15 19:42 <ldlework> diva: There is no information available about their actual implementation. I don't plan on reimplementing Phlox, I plan on implementing a VM with similar properties as Phlox which are ideal for an OpenSim scripting engine
2015-05-15 19:42 <Kubwa> and the https certificate is valig and trusted
2015-05-15 19:42 <nebadon> Kuwba look at link above
2015-05-15 19:42 <nebadon> appears to be a mono bug
2015-05-15 19:42 <ldlework> But alright, just checking if you were interested thanks anyway
2015-05-15 19:42 <nebadon> however maybe you can glean something from the comments
2015-05-15 19:43 <Kubwa> oh, ok :/
2015-05-15 19:43 <diva> nope, not  interested. If I do it it will be either a better lsl, or Lua or AngelScript JS
2015-05-15 19:43 <Kubwa> so i hope the devs of mono will fix it soon :)
2015-05-15 19:43 <Kubwa> thanks all for your help
2015-05-15 19:44 <ldlework> diva: yeah I plan on compiling lua or a simple smalltalk 
2015-05-15 19:44 <Plugh> diva, ldlework: seems to be a two part process. The vm to run scripts and the part that parses the scripts in to something the vm/engine can run.
2015-05-15 19:45 <ldlework> Plugh: Right, I'll build a VM which initially will only be able to run bytecode directly. Then I'll write a simple lua compiler targetting that VM.
2015-05-15 19:45 <Littlefeather> one last thing in simiangrid how do you setup hypergrid or is it not supported?
2015-05-15 19:45 <ldlework> Or LSL, targeting that VM
2015-05-15 19:45 <diva> mono is a wonderful vm
2015-05-15 19:45 <ldlework> Mono isn't really a vm in this sense.
2015-05-15 19:46 <mheilman> I understand it is supported, but I have never used it.  This guy: https://github.com/eudaimonent/simiangrid took over simiangrid and has commits mentioning hypergrid
2015-05-15 19:46 <Plugh> bbl. Cat is calling me.
2015-05-15 19:46 <ldlework> diva: mono is more like a jit with a shared bytecode target
2015-05-15 19:46 <ldlework> (or .NET in general)
2015-05-15 19:47 <ldlework> The code doesn't actually end up running in a VM.
2015-05-15 19:47 <ldlework> (it does during the JIT process I know, but this is different)
2015-05-15 19:47 <ldlework> I cannot easily serialize and ship-away some process running in mono anywhere in its execution and ship it off to some other OS instance
2015-05-15 19:48 <ldlework> deserialize it, and continue running it
2015-05-15 19:53 <ldlework> diva: what's your plan?
2015-05-15 19:54 <diva> wrt scripting engine
2015-05-15 19:54 <diva> ?
2015-05-15 19:55 <ldlework> yeah
2015-05-15 19:58 <diva> I haven't had enought time to make a plan. Just that I want it to be not a hack (in terms of the VM) and needs to have decent data types (in terms of the language). So looking at something that supports coroutines, and maybe even use mono itself
2015-05-15 19:59 <diva> the way lsl does serialization is seriously broken. as far as I know.
2015-05-15 20:01 <lkalif> you czn use nginx or apache to accept https
2015-05-15 20:02 <osmantis> Bug #7530:04 [Patch] Enable object grab and add the code to spin objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7530 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-15 20:02 <lkalif> and reverse proxy it on a local http monp
2015-05-15 20:02 <nebadon> ah ya good idea
2015-05-15 20:03 <nebadon> dang Kubwa left
2015-05-15 20:04 <osmantis> Bug #7401:04 User Prefs request overwrites with default values before reading 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7401 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-15 20:10 <osmantis> Bug #7564:04 Inventory download hangs temporarily or permanently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7564 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-15 20:25 <dahlia> I wonder if the interfaces abstracting XEngine would support another engine without modification?
2015-05-15 20:40 <osmantis> Bug #7564:04 Inventory download hangs temporarily or permanently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7564 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-15 21:59 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, would u expect cpu load to increase after increasing mono threads per cpu?
2015-05-15 22:04 <dahlia> AliciaRaven: I would, if you had traffic on your region
2015-05-15 22:04 <dahlia> otherwise not really
2015-05-15 22:05 <AliciaRaven> the regions are idle right now, cpu keeps jumping to 100%
2015-05-15 22:05 <dahlia> maybe something wrong, or an errent script or whatnot
2015-05-15 22:05 <AliciaRaven> i reduced it from 2000 to 1000 and it seems to have helped, that could just have been because i rebooted tho
2015-05-15 22:06 <AliciaRaven> also i updated opensim code at about the same time, could be a recent change
2015-05-15 22:07 <dahlia> my grid is pretty low cpu and I updated a day or 2 ago
2015-05-15 22:07 <AliciaRaven> k thanks dahlia, i will keep my eye on it, maybe it will sort itself out
2015-05-15 22:08 <AliciaRaven> dosnt seem to have any negative impact on avatars in the sim
2015-05-15 22:10 <AliciaRaven> logged into the server and again i got the welcome message "System information disabled due to load higher than 6.0"
2015-05-15 22:10 <dahlia> never seen that one
2015-05-15 22:10 <AliciaRaven> on ubuntu 14.04
2015-05-15 22:10 <nebadon> I dont think changing it alone would increase cpu
2015-05-15 22:11 <nebadon> i never see my regions jump to 100% sitting idle
2015-05-15 22:11 <nebadon> that sounds indicitive of an errant physical object
2015-05-15 22:11 <nebadon> you should check the database for things with velocity
2015-05-15 22:11 <nebadon> it could also explain the bulletsim sigsev on startup
2015-05-15 22:11 <nebadon> maybe something stuck at a million meters
2015-05-15 22:11 <nebadon> some ungodly large number
2015-05-15 22:12 <AliciaRaven> until yesterday the load was low on empty regions
2015-05-15 22:12 <dahlia> I would probably kill off the process that's eating cpu and reload the oar from last backup :)
2015-05-15 22:12 <nebadon> many times ive found vehicles stuck way up high on the edge of the sim or something, or even down underground
2015-05-15 22:13 <dahlia> lol ya vehicles hitting sim edges isnt handled too well
2015-05-15 22:13 <nebadon> opensim on its own though should not cause high cpu just by increasing the available mono threads
2015-05-15 22:13 <nebadon> something would have to be generating that
2015-05-15 22:13 <nebadon> something in the simulator
2015-05-15 22:13 <nebadon> physics or a script
2015-05-15 22:13 <AliciaRaven> k i will go on a hunt lol
2015-05-15 22:14 <dahlia> or maybe a bunch of scripts with timers that used to sit idle waiting for available threads
2015-05-15 22:14 <AliciaRaven> damn stack size setting keeps changing to default on this server, that could be causing the sigsegv also
2015-05-15 22:45 <AliciaRaven> dahlia when u updated OpenMetaverse.dll was it built on windows?
2015-05-15 22:45 <dahlia> yes
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2015-05-16 00:40 <djphil> ping nebadon
2015-05-16 00:40 <djphil> Have you tested llCastRay v2?
2015-05-16 00:40 <djphil> I realize it does not work identically to SL.
2015-05-16 00:40 <djphil> For example, test with the LLCastRay Lazer Script and you will find that it works correctly.
2015-05-16 00:40 <djphil> Su SL and OpenSim llCastRay v1 operating properly.
2015-05-16 00:42 <nebadon> there is v3 now djphil
2015-05-16 00:42 <djphil> And "Wall Walker" script is always glued to the ground it moves very slowly
2015-05-16 00:42 <djphil> v3 in last OSG ?
2015-05-16 00:43 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=d348f871612c5f241f33885604391d1f30a416bc
2015-05-16 00:43 <djphil> i hope v3 solve these plroblem's
2015-05-16 00:43 <djphil> ty
2015-05-16 00:43 <nebadon> np I have not had time to test it yet
2015-05-16 00:43 <nebadon> let us know how it goes
2015-05-16 00:43 <djphil> ok that for the next OSG release then ...
2015-05-16 00:43 <djphil> (v3)
2015-05-16 00:43 <nebadon> ah yes probably not in osgrid yet
2015-05-16 00:44 <djphil> I do not have the courage to compile opensim tonight
2015-05-16 00:47 <BeyBar> Idlework, you around?
2015-05-16 01:28 <smxy> nebadon, it looks like you quoted an moses-related email, on the dev list, but added no actual reply to it?
2015-05-16 01:29 <frnic> I think diva was going to answer.
2015-05-16 01:30 <smxy> He replied to am email from you, but added nothing to it.
2015-05-16 01:30 <smxy> Perhaps it was an oops.
2015-05-16 01:30 <frnic> ah, right, i ecall that now
2015-05-16 01:31 <frnic> I did see neb hand it off to diva, and my impression was she was going to reply, but maybe she did it in private.
2015-05-16 03:21 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, dahlia, thanks for the tips, the problem was some escaped jellyfish
2015-05-16 03:22 <nebadon> nice
2015-05-16 03:24 <dahlia> ewwww jellyfish *yuck*
2015-05-16 03:27 <AliciaRaven> lol im guessing if the fix was as simple as clamping physical object movement to the region size it would have been fixed along time ago
2015-05-16 06:03 <osmantis> Bug #7536:04 [COALESCED SCENE OBJECTS SERIALIZER]: Deserialization of xml failed with Root element is missing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7536 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-05-16 06:03 <osmantis> Bug #7536:04 [COALESCED SCENE OBJECTS SERIALIZER]: Deserialization of xml failed with Root element is missing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7536 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-05-16 08:58 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-16 14:26 <osmantis> Bug #7574:04 GetMapItems Unable to connect to the remote server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7574 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-16 14:36 <BeyBar> ldlework, ping
2015-05-16 14:39 <osmantis> Bug #7574:04 GetMapItems Unable to connect to the remote server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7574 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-16 14:45 <osmantis> Bug #7574:04 GetMapItems Unable to connect to the remote server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7574 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-16 14:57 <nebadon> http://www.computerworld.com/article/2923079/computer-hardware/oculus-to-develop-rift-for-windows-only-suspends-mac-linux-work.html
2015-05-16 15:04 <BeyBar> Yep, only beefy Windows systems get the Oculus love.
2015-05-16 15:07 <nebadon> ya bummer
2015-05-16 15:08 <nebadon> wont work on most laptops that is really, really bad news
2015-05-16 15:09 <nebadon> basically it wont run on like 98% of the worlds computers
2015-05-16 15:09 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-16 15:20 <Plugh> That's when all the Mac and Linux users that also use Windows (sometimes?) start (e)mailing the company to say they won't buy a Rift. 
2015-05-16 15:21 <nebadon> yea Encitra would probably have bought a bunch of them
2015-05-16 15:21 <nebadon> I dont see how we can now
2015-05-16 15:21 <nebadon> non of our customers will have specs even close to what is required
2015-05-16 15:22 <nebadon> i certainly dont have anything it will run on currently
2015-05-16 15:22 <nebadon> hopefully one of the other brands have lower specs
2015-05-16 15:23 <nebadon> maybe this one > http://www.osvr.com/
2015-05-16 15:23 <Plugh> Give it a little time. Some smart person will come along and make public drivers for the device, just as was done for the Xbox Kinect.
2015-05-16 15:24 <Plugh> I know my video card wouldn't be at the level required.
2015-05-16 15:25 <Plugh> I wonder how many of the people that backed the Rift crowdfunding campaign were mac/linux users.
2015-05-16 15:27 <BeyBar> I would guess they were mostly hard core gamers, so mostly on Windows.
2015-05-16 15:29 <Plugh> Mostly but if someone backed it expecting a version for other than Windows they might be a little annoyed right now.
2015-05-16 15:29 <nebadon> makes me wonder if LL will even bother 
2015-05-16 15:30 <nebadon> considering its in LLs nature to drop support for anything that doesnt meet the needs of a broad range of their users
2015-05-16 15:30 <nebadon> I can tell most SL users wont be able to use Oculus
2015-05-16 15:30 <Plugh> No way to know at this time. Need someone inside LL to leak their plans for SL2
2015-05-16 15:31 <BeyBar> I think this is really about hardware requirements. Essentially they need to drive two high-res screens at low enough latency not to make people puke, and apparently only a 970 or up will do. Apple tends to use mid-range graphics cards and doesn't want you to mess around inside their boxes, so Macs are out for now. And Linux is so small it really doesn't matter.
2015-05-16 15:33 <Plugh> bbl. Trying to fix up a Windows partition
2015-05-16 15:39 <nebadon> ya BeyBar, I don't know I kind of find that hard to beleive
2015-05-16 15:39 <nebadon> considering there are some laptops now with 860 level nvidia cards
2015-05-16 15:39 <nebadon> that can do 4k resolutions
2015-05-16 15:39 <nebadon> and sure maybe its better on faster hardware
2015-05-16 15:40 <nebadon> but I cant see how oculus can succeed by cutting out so many people
2015-05-16 15:40 <nebadon> i really doubt people are going to go out and spend 1000+ dollars and buy a oculus
2015-05-16 15:41 <nebadon> guess we will see
2015-05-16 15:41 <nebadon> I think all oculus is doing is opening the door to other companies to make a product that everyone can use
2015-05-16 15:42 <nebadon> why on earth would facebook be interested in something almost non of their users can use
2015-05-16 15:42 <nebadon> kind of bewildering
2015-05-16 15:42 <nebadon> spend a billion dollars buying a company you cant market to their own user base
2015-05-16 15:43 <nebadon> it makes this statement sound absurd > http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/may/07/oculus-rift-ceo-billion-people-virtual-reality
2015-05-16 15:43 <nebadon> they want a billion users
2015-05-16 15:43 <nebadon> are they nuts
2015-05-16 15:43 <nebadon> talk about shooting themselves in the foot
2015-05-16 15:44 <nebadon> how the hell can they expect to get a billion people to use their product
2015-05-16 15:44 <nebadon> I would be surprised if there are a 500,000 people in the world who have powerful enough hardware lol
2015-05-16 15:44 <nebadon> maybe a few million at most
2015-05-16 15:44 <nebadon> computer sales are nose diving too
2015-05-16 15:53 <Plugh> Bah. Can't boot the partition that used to be the OEM setup/recover partition from the old computer and the recover discs made say they don't support the current PC model so they also won't boot.  :P
2015-05-16 15:58 <nebadon> yea probably need a clean XP install
2015-05-16 15:59 <Plugh> yea, seems that will be my only option. What a pain.
2015-05-16 15:59 <nebadon> yea 32 bit xp on that hardware will be disappointing at best
2015-05-16 15:59 <Plugh> It's Windows. I don't expect a lot.  ;)
2015-05-16 16:00 <nebadon> you are probably better off running it in virtualbox
2015-05-16 16:00 <nebadon> reclaim that partition for linux
2015-05-16 16:00 <Plugh> I only really need Windows to run my 3D modelling program and back up my PDA.
2015-05-16 16:00 <nebadon> and setup a virtual machine
2015-05-16 16:00 <nebadon> ya PDA might be tough
2015-05-16 16:00 <nebadon> in a VM
2015-05-16 16:00 <Plugh> I'm still stuck with not having a bootable XP unless that is part of the VM.
2015-05-16 16:01 <nebadon> I have 4 or 5 copies of XP like i said if you need one
2015-05-16 16:01 <nebadon> i dont think I will ever use them again
2015-05-16 16:01 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-05-16 16:01 <nebadon> just need to locate the discs
2015-05-16 16:01 <nebadon> i have the books with the license keys
2015-05-16 16:01 <nebadon> not sure where i put the discs heh
2015-05-16 16:02 <Plugh> I will have to take you up on that offer. Seems I may not have any other options. I keep looking to see if there is a solution listed on a website. Nothing found so far.
2015-05-16 16:02 <Plugh> I'm still looking through websites
2015-05-16 16:03 <nebadon> i may have made an ISO of the XP Pro disc
2015-05-16 16:05 <nebadon> actually i downloaded a xp iso from microsoft while back
2015-05-16 16:05 <nebadon> let me see if this key works with that iso in a vm
2015-05-16 16:06 <Plugh> hm... just watching a video that might help. Suggests removing all drivers from the system. I wonder if I could do that using Hiren's mini windows boot.
2015-05-16 16:06 <nebadon> generally it requires booting into safe mode
2015-05-16 16:06 <nebadon> to remove drivers
2015-05-16 16:08 <nebadon> ah damn this iso is just the SP3 update
2015-05-16 16:08 <nebadon> not windows installer
2015-05-16 16:09 <BeyBar> Plugh, do you need Windows XP or would a newer Windows do?
2015-05-16 16:10 <Plugh> The PDA backup software won't work with a newer version of Windows.
2015-05-16 16:10 <BeyBar> AH
2015-05-16 16:10 <BeyBar> Even in compatibility mode?
2015-05-16 16:11 <Plugh> It uses some drivers/program that shows up in the corner of the system tool bar.
2015-05-16 16:11 <linkedinyou> nebadon:  what is the call method of calling params method to reset user password as i am trying making the backend with python to mange this by UI but did not know the method
2015-05-16 16:14 <nebadon> oh found a Windows XP Pro disk
2015-05-16 16:14 <nebadon> question is does the key on this book work with this specific disk
2015-05-16 16:14 <nebadon> let me install into vm and find out :)
2015-05-16 16:15 <nebadon> heh this is weird I havent installed XP in long time
2015-05-16 16:15 <nebadon> linkedinyou not sure
2015-05-16 16:15 <linkedinyou> API method name and params for change password ,what I call API with that method name c# handle will handle that requrest so i can reset user password by the UI as in the UserAccountService.cs i see just the reset user password where is the requst method to call please
2015-05-16 16:16 <Plugh> If I could run my copy of windows via a VM I would likely get rid of my Windows partition.
2015-05-16 16:16 <nebadon> you are doing it through rest service or something?
2015-05-16 16:16 <Plugh> linkedinyou: I was about to ask the same thing. How are you communicating with OS in order to do a password reset?
2015-05-16 16:16 <linkedinyou> i am making python userinterface that will allow me to reste password through th web-base
2015-05-16 16:17 <nebadon> web-base?
2015-05-16 16:17 <linkedinyou> Plugh:  yes thank this is the question :)
2015-05-16 16:18 <linkedinyou> yes my django framework is asking me for the method 
2015-05-16 16:18 <linkedinyou> it is what ever backend language is asking the c# to tell us what method we need to call
2015-05-16 16:20 <nebadon> i have no idea
2015-05-16 16:21 <Plugh> linkedinyou: If you are making a web based interface I just set up something that updated the password field in the database.
2015-05-16 16:21 <linkedinyou> protected void HandleResetUserPassword
2015-05-16 16:21 <linkedinyou> Plugh:  is that in python?
2015-05-16 16:22 <Plugh> No. I made a webpage that uses PHP
2015-05-16 16:22 <linkedinyou> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=viewblob&p=opensim&h=470544567508d2d3332a7e7ae18919a566be0e98&hb=6a48c87cd20e9df5ebdd2898872618455106be4c&f=OpenSim/Services/UserAccountService/UserAccountService.cs
2015-05-16 16:22 <Plugh> I can find the encryption method.
2015-05-16 16:22 <nebadon> yea whenever i do this I go direct to database
2015-05-16 16:22 <linkedinyou> we need to all this method HandleResetUserPassword
2015-05-16 16:22 <nebadon> i have never tried to do it through robust
2015-05-16 16:23 <BeyBar> Is this what you have in mind? http://opensimulator.org/wiki/UserManipulation#setpassword
2015-05-16 16:23 <Plugh> The other option is to access OS via a remote console and issue the password change command.
2015-05-16 16:24 <linkedinyou> BeyBar:  exactly but why by the auth not by the user account service
2015-05-16 16:24 <Plugh> BeyBar: yea, pretty much. I thought the encoding system was more complicated. It uses two level md5 encryption
2015-05-16 16:24 <Plugh> Passwords are stored in auth table.
2015-05-16 16:24 <BeyBar> linkedinyou, I have no idea why anything works the way it does in OpenSim :D
2015-05-16 16:24 <Plugh> hehe
2015-05-16 16:25 <linkedinyou> ah then we just need to go directly to the auth to change it not again to user account service thaat where do we craeted if from
2015-05-16 16:25 <linkedinyou> BeyBar: lol the director want this lol
2015-05-16 16:26 <Plugh> Let me get you the method I used. You need a password salt from which to make a password hash using the salt.
2015-05-16 16:26 <Plugh> salt and supplied password.
2015-05-16 16:26 <linkedinyou> Plugh:  yes please
2015-05-16 16:27 <osmantis> Bug #7574:04 GetMapItems Unable to connect to the remote server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7574 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-05-16 16:27 <linkedinyou> as i still wanted to change the default avatar appearance method and customise it to a lovely one lol i hate that ruth one
2015-05-16 16:27 <osmantis> Bug #7574:04 GetMapItems Unable to connect to the remote server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7574 ): has been CLOSED
2015-05-16 16:28 <linkedinyou> why the director of the sense made the pant pink lol
2015-05-16 16:28 <Plugh> Been a while since I've looked at the web based admin stuff I did. Have to remember how things are laid out and where the password stuff was handled.
2015-05-16 16:29 <Plugh> I know what you mean. I created an account registration page to allow a person to select an avatar and it cloned the inventory for the selected on to the new avatar so they started out with a specific look and additional default items in their inventory.
2015-05-16 16:29 <linkedinyou> i hav done this and it worked
2015-05-16 16:30 <Plugh> Here is the final part -> $passwordHash = md5(md5($password) . ":" . $record['passwordSalt']);
2015-05-16 16:31 <linkedinyou> even i uses for shoes and aother  mak him looks good but all i changed is the defualt avatar ,, i just finished of the multi-avatar apparnce code with c#
2015-05-16 16:31 <Plugh> I'm trying to remember how I created a salt record
2015-05-16 16:33 <Plugh> linkedinyou: I think you could make a salt by doing an md5 encryption of some other random string. '
2015-05-16 16:34 <linkedinyou> i am checking that now
2015-05-16 16:34 <Plugh> You could ask for a new uuid, md5 encrypt it, then use that as the salt. Just make sure that you save BOTH the password and the salt when adding the new user information to the auth table.
2015-05-16 16:35 <linkedinyou> doing research will figure it out ,, guess will not take time to figure
2015-05-16 16:35 <linkedinyou> why the save?
2015-05-16 16:35 <linkedinyou> ah after 
2015-05-16 16:35 <linkedinyou> i thought the old ons
2015-05-16 16:40 <Plugh> hm... It is about time to take a break and have lunch.
2015-05-16 16:40 <Plugh> linkedinyou: you ok for now?
2015-05-16 16:44 <Plugh> ok, I need to go make lunch. bbl.
2015-05-16 17:11 <linkedinyou> Plugh:  i was on other pc next room reading :)
2015-05-16 19:25 <Plugh> bbl. I need to reboot to do some work on my machine. I may or may not be offline for a while.
2015-05-16 19:54 <Plugh> now this is an interesting Kickstarter project for those of you that are in to the space sciences -> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/theplanetarysociety/lightsail-a-revolutionary-solar-sailing-spacecraft?ref=home_popular
2015-05-16 20:24 <dahlia> they should make 2 so they can race
2015-05-16 21:07 <osmantis> Bug #7575:04 llCastRay V3 performance improved by mesh caching 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7575 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-16 21:08 <osmantis> Bug #7575:04 llCastRay V3 performance improved by mesh caching 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7575 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-05-16 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #7575:04 llCastRay V3 performance improved by mesh caching 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7575 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007546.
2015-05-16 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007575.
2015-05-16 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #7575:04 llCastRay V3 performance improved by mesh caching 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7575 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007568.
2015-05-16 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #7568:04 llCastRay V3 needs throttling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7568 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007575.
2015-05-16 21:14 <BeyBar> Let's try again... ldlework, are you around?
2015-05-16 22:18 <BeyBar> 
ACTION gives up on waiting for ldlework

2015-05-16 22:19 <BeyBar> So, a couple of days ago, and also a few days before that, ldlework was talking about Phlox, the VM used by InWorldz.
2015-05-16 22:20 <BeyBar> Which, apparently, has its own bytecode, can be stopped, have state serialized and restarted in another sim on boundary crossing.
2015-05-16 22:20 <BeyBar> Which is very nice. I looked around to see if there is something similar already for .NET and Mono, and found...
2015-05-16 22:20 <BeyBar> https://github.com/mbrezu/Shovel
2015-05-16 22:21 <BeyBar> At first sight at least it looks a lot like Phlox/what ldlework proposed.
2015-05-16 22:22 <BeyBar> It also comes with a JS-like language, https://github.com/mbrezu/Shovel/blob/master/docs/ShovelScriptSpec.md
2015-05-16 22:22 <BeyBar> And they seem to have given some thought to parallelization too: https://github.com/mbrezu/Shovel/blob/master/docs/advanced.md
2015-05-16 22:26 <BeyBar> Maybe ldlework and the usual suspects (diva, Melanie_T) could have a look?
2015-05-17 02:01 <osmantis> Bug #7576:04 About New Constant OBJECT_BODY_SHAPE_TYPE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7576 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2015-05-17 02:03 <osmantis> Bug #7576:04 About New Constant OBJECT_BODY_SHAPE_TYPE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7576 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2015-05-17 08:47 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-17 15:33 <osmantis> Bug #6559:04 [EMAIL] DefaultEmailModule Exception Unrecognized authentication type 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6559 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2015-05-17 15:38 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2015-05-17 15:40 <osmantis> Bug #7577:04 Warp3D Map Tile Generation 16:31:26 - [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7577 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-17 15:41 <osmantis> Bug #7577:04 Warp3D Map Tile Generation [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7577 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-05-17 16:08 <osmantis> Bug #7577:04 Warp3D Map Tile Generation [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7577 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-17 17:53 <osmantis> Bug #7233:04 Warp 3d error on console Position beyond EOF 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7233 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-17 18:12 <osmantis> Bug #7233:04 Warp 3d error on console Position beyond EOF 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7233 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-17 18:51 <osmantis> Bug #7566:04 DNS Caching in Mono 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7566 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-17 19:47 <osmantis> Bug #7233:04 Warp 3d error on console Position beyond EOF 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7233 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-05-17 20:41 <lkalif> https://code.visualstudio.com/ <<- awesomness, the editor part of visual studio, also for mac and linux
2015-05-17 20:50 <Plugh> Odd. Singularity reports my CPU as running at only 1400MHz.
2015-05-17 20:52 <BeyBar> ... and that was how Plugh finally realized he had been sold a rebranded Celeron. :P
2015-05-17 20:52 <Plugh> hehe. This isn't an Intel CPU
2015-05-17 20:53 <misterblue_> since the CPU can run at different frequencies, the frequency could have been sampled when it was in a power saving mode
2015-05-17 20:53 <Plugh> gotta love the useless change log entries coming from Inusaito Sayori for Singularity Alpha. One commit says: Foxes don't have bedtimes.
2015-05-17 20:54 <Plugh> ah, right. 1.4GHz is the lowest CPU clock rate
2015-05-17 21:04 <Melanie_T> BeyBar: it's almost made for opensim!
2015-05-17 21:05 <Melanie_T> BeyBar: using the ticks quota system time sharing can be done across VMs
2015-05-17 21:05 <Melanie_T> this is actually getting to look exciting
2015-05-17 22:12 <ldlework> Melanie_T: Infact, when we spoke earlier and I was trying to sell you on the merits of using such a VM, I was *actually referring to shovel*.
2015-05-17 22:13 <ldlework> But I'm glad you're on-board with the idea now.
2015-05-17 22:15 <ldlework> Maybe I wont have to do it alone?
2015-05-17 22:24 <VelusUniverseSys> hello is anyon about?
2015-05-17 22:47 <Melanie_T> ldlework: then why didn't you name it? it's one thing to talk pie in the sky and another to actually have an implementation 
2015-05-17 22:48 <Melanie_T> of course you can not expect me to be all excited when you don't mention that the thing doesn't have to be weritten from scratch
2015-05-17 22:48 <Melanie_T> my excitement is limited when i foresee things taking huge chunks of my time
2015-05-17 22:49 <Melanie_T> and i'm still looking through the project
2015-05-17 22:49 <VelusUniverseSys> ???
2015-05-17 22:49 <Melanie_T> in order to make the event stuff work, it needs to let me call methods of the loaded script directly
2015-05-17 22:49 <Melanie_T> VelusUniverseSys: I'm answering scrollback. that is how things work here. when the person i'm writing to comes back he'll read
2015-05-17 22:50 <VelusUniverseSys> Melanie_T, when you create a use in opensim does it automatically create a user profile?
2015-05-17 22:50 <Melanie_T> if you create a console user, the, no
2015-05-17 22:50 <Melanie_T> wifi, i believe, handled that
2015-05-17 22:50 <Melanie_T> handles*
2015-05-17 22:51 <Melanie_T> i'm not really familiar with the tools out there because w of course built our own
2015-05-17 22:52 <VelusUniverseSys> ok shame, im trying to create a webui and it will create a user from console, but im thinking it might be eaiser to just create a user from the mysql instead.
2015-05-17 22:52 <Melanie_T> are you aware of the diva distro and the wifi frontend?
2015-05-17 22:52 <Melanie_T> it's an easy solution to user creation
2015-05-17 22:54 <VelusUniverseSys> yes i am aware of that, but im looking to create my own in php, and one that goes from domain.com/ and not domain.com:8002/
2015-05-17 22:56 <VelusUniverseSys> im looking through the robust ini and there seems to be a avatar picker? is that working yet?
2015-05-17 22:56 <Plugh> What's the reference to event stuff?
2015-05-17 22:57 <VelusUniverseSys> that to me Plugh 
2015-05-17 22:59 <Melanie_T> Plugh: in reference to Shovel as a script engiine
2015-05-17 22:59 <Plugh> ok. I just arrived so I only saw Melanie make a comment about making event stuff work.
2015-05-17 22:59 <Plugh> oh, ok
2015-05-17 22:59 <Melanie_T> VelusUniverseSys: the avatar picker support os for the poicker in the viewer
2015-05-17 22:59 <Melanie_T> it's about names, not appearance
2015-05-17 23:00 <Plugh> I thought it was something about inworld event listings that can be shown on the map.
2015-05-17 23:00 <VelusUniverseSys> ok]
2015-05-17 23:36 <Plugh> bah. I have an object throwing a script exception. It gives the coordinates in the region but not the region name.
2015-05-17 23:37 <Plugh> I can't identify which one is faulty.
2015-05-17 23:39 <Plugh> It would help if the object UUID was included in the exception.
2015-05-17 23:41 <Melanie_T> it's not known in the place the exceptions are thrown, iirc
2015-05-17 23:41 <Melanie_T> it's annoying
2015-05-17 23:53 <Arily> Hello, I have opensim and robust running perfectly however when trying to connect with firestorm viewer I'm getting failed login. I checked router and firewall still can't connect. I can connect perfectly fine in standalone but not robust. Any help appreciated
2015-05-17 23:54 <Arily> I'm trying to get this to run so anyone on the home network can join and play together.
2015-05-18 00:15 <Plugh> You updated your loginURI in the viewer when you switched to running in grid mode with Robust?
2015-05-18 00:21 <Arily> Yes I did
2015-05-18 00:24 <Plugh> Do you see any errors on the instance console when you tried to login?
2015-05-18 00:25 <Arily> No errors or anything not even a message indicating that I'm attempting to login
2015-05-18 00:31 <Plugh> Typical problem is a configuration error.
2015-05-18 00:32 <Arily> Any ideas where I should start looking? I was following a tutorial on YouTube but cjblink120 but I also took some stuff from the official website for configuration.
2015-05-18 00:33 <Arily> The Robust and Opensim console run completely fine no red errors or red text.
2015-05-18 00:39 <Plugh> sorry, just a bit distracted at the moment.
2015-05-18 00:39 <Arily> It's ok
2015-05-18 00:44 <Plugh> I'm in a grid with a trivia quiz running at the moment.
2015-05-18 00:44 <Arily> ok
2015-05-18 00:47 <Plugh> I would look at the official website. If you use a youtube video you should check the date of the video. I'd go by the official site over the video.
2015-05-18 00:47 <Arily> Ya I used both the video was 2014
2015-05-18 00:51 <Plugh> 2014 is kind of old. There have been a number of changes in the OpenSim ini files since then.
2015-05-18 00:52 <Arily> Ok I wish I could find a newer video on YouTube I am a visual learner so hard for me to read and follow but I'm going to retry
2015-05-18 00:52 <Plugh> oh, ok.
2015-05-18 00:55 <Arily> So I have to do robust so other people on my home  network can login right?
2015-05-18 00:56 <Plugh> That's an interesting question.
2015-05-18 00:58 <Plugh> I don't think you need to run in grid mode to let others connect. 
2015-05-18 00:59 <Arily> Hmm because I had standalone setup to what I assumed was correct and I got on a different computer and couldn't connect
2015-05-18 00:59 <Arily> I think I needed to setup robust for others to connect
2015-05-18 00:59 <Plugh> Is the machine running a firewall?
2015-05-18 00:59 <Arily> It's Windows 8.1 and I have a Netgear router
2015-05-18 01:01 <Plugh> Check whether you have the Windows firewall enabled on the machine.
2015-05-18 01:02 <Arily> Yes it's on
2015-05-18 01:03 <Plugh> That may be the problem. I would turn it off and try again.
2015-05-18 01:03 <Arily> I tried adding port 8002 to inbound connection but still wasn't working
2015-05-18 01:05 <Plugh> 9000 would be the port to open when running in standalone mode.
2015-05-18 01:06 <Arily> Yes I was trying to do robust
2015-05-18 01:06 <Arily> so if I do 9000 though on the firewall could I connect on a different computer same network?
2015-05-18 01:06 <Arily> Do I need to open the ports in the router or the firewall or both?
2015-05-18 01:08 <Mandarinka_> Hello :) should i restart all grid ( regions ) when i edit robustHG.ini  or i can restart only robust.exe?  because it is not nice to restart all regions , running on different servers,
2015-05-18 01:15 <Plugh> Arily: btw, you did uncomment one of the lines in the Architecture section of OpenSim.ini?
2015-05-18 01:16 <Plugh> Should be the line with Grid.ini in it for grid mode or the Standalone.ini if you were running Standalone mode.
2015-05-18 01:16 <Arily> Yes, down at the bottom right? I uncommented Grid
2015-05-18 01:16 <Plugh> ok
2015-05-18 01:20 <Arily> If I could just get standalone to work and have others one the home network connect with their computers I'd be satisfied with that. That's all I was initially looking to do
2015-05-18 01:21 <Plugh> If all the machines go through the router you could port forward 9000 to the machine running the standalone instance.
2015-05-18 01:23 <Arily> ok the machine running the standalone has a static IP so just set the port forward for my machine only?
2015-05-18 01:25 <Plugh> You want to make sure the router doesn't block 9000 so a port forward of that port to the machine with OS should take care of that.
2015-05-18 01:26 <Arily> ok thanks trying that
2015-05-18 01:29 <Plugh> The machine running OS will also need to have port 9000 open
2015-05-18 01:30 <Arily> open with firewall?
2015-05-18 01:30 <Plugh> yes
2015-05-18 01:31 <Arily> ok Thanks
2015-05-18 01:31 <Arily> inbound and outbound or just inbound?
2015-05-18 01:36 <Plugh> inbound
2015-05-18 01:36 <Arily> ok got it
2015-05-18 01:36 <Arily> I was able to connect perfectly in standalone now to try on another computer
2015-05-18 01:36 <Plugh> ok
2015-05-18 01:43 <Arily> Still isn't connecting from a different computer same account
2015-05-18 01:55 <ldlework> Melanie_T: because I didn't think it mattered, I was just trying to see if you agreed with it in principle. you didn't, but like you said maybe you were just trying to reason away a lot of work, or something (no idea really)
2015-05-18 01:56 <ldlework> but I do agree with you that it seems perfect (that's what I was trying to see if you agreed in the first place). So how much work do you think it would be to integrate something like shovel?
2015-05-18 02:01 <Plugh> Arily: Could be a firewall issue. Any sign yet of a connection attempt in the OS console?
2015-05-18 02:01 <Arily> Nope no sign
2015-05-18 02:01 <Plugh> The trivia quiz has ended.
2015-05-18 02:02 <Arily> I port forwarded 9000 to my computer running the console
2015-05-18 02:02 <Plugh> Can the other machine ping the one running OS?
2015-05-18 02:02 <Arily> and I opened port 9000 TCP and UDP incoming on the firewall
2015-05-18 02:02 <Arily> How do I do that? in Command prompt but what command?
2015-05-18 02:02 <Plugh> ping followed by the IP address of the machine.
2015-05-18 02:03 <Arily> do I have to add the port or just the IP
2015-05-18 02:03 <Plugh> just the ip
2015-05-18 02:04 <Arily> unreachable
2015-05-18 02:05 <Arily> Says Packets sent 4 and packets received 4
2015-05-18 02:05 <Arily> but replay from 192.168.1.3 destination host unreachable
2015-05-18 02:09 <Plugh> ok, that's going to be another firewall issue.
2015-05-18 02:09 <Arily> Hmm darn
2015-05-18 02:10 <Plugh> Firewalls can help keep you safe but other times they can just get in the way of doing things. :)
2015-05-18 02:10 <Arily> Yes hehe
2015-05-18 02:11 <Arily> Do you think it's a firewall thing or something inside the router?
2015-05-18 02:13 <Plugh> It could be a bit of both.
2015-05-18 02:13 <Arily> Sounds like a big hair pulling mess now
2015-05-18 02:13 <Arily> lol
2015-05-18 02:13 <Plugh> You can eliminate the Windows firewall by shutting it off completely while testing.
2015-05-18 02:14 <Plugh> That would leave just the router as something that might cause issues.
2015-05-18 02:14 <Arily> ok
2015-05-18 02:14 <Arily> Will you be on tomorrow? Or maybe I can reach you another way?
2015-05-18 02:14 <Arily> I'm kinda done messing with this tonight
2015-05-18 02:15 <osmantis> Bug #7578:04 Feature Request ONLY 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7578 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-18 02:15 <Plugh> All the machines are Windows based?
2015-05-18 02:15 <Arily> Yes
2015-05-18 02:15 <Arily> All windows 7 one is windows 8.1
2015-05-18 02:15 <Arily> the windows 8.1 is my machine that has the opensim running
2015-05-18 02:15 <Arily> my machine also has a static IP
2015-05-18 02:15 <Plugh> ok. If you had a telnet program installed on one of the remote Windows boxes you could do a simple test.
2015-05-18 02:17 <Arily> Ya don't have
2015-05-18 02:20 <Plugh> Could you plug the network cable from one machine straight in to the machine running OS and eliminate the router as a possible bottleneck?
2015-05-18 02:21 <Plugh> That might only work if you have the right cables or if the network connections have auto-sensing circuits to adapt to the wiring.
2015-05-18 02:21 <Arily> Can't do that, going to try troubleshooting tomorrow though
2015-05-18 02:21 <Plugh> ok
2015-05-18 02:21 <Arily> I did try this...
2015-05-18 02:21 <Arily> Getting a "destination unreachable" message from your own machine is normal behaviour in recent Windows versions. It just means that the arp failed, i.e., the IP address couldn't be located on the LAN
2015-05-18 02:21 <Arily> To confirm this, try running arp -a on your machine, and you'll see a list of all the IP addresses that could be found on your LAN
2015-05-18 02:21 <Plugh> Since you can connect locally to the standalone you know that you have OS configured correctly.
2015-05-18 02:21 <Arily> I tried that and the IP address isn't found on my land
2015-05-18 02:21 <Arily> lan*
2015-05-18 02:22 <Plugh> ok. Try that again when the OS machine isn't running the firewall. 
2015-05-18 02:23 <Arily> ok
2015-05-18 02:23 <Plugh> Hm... another thought. What about the windows sharing feature. Can you see the other machines in the Network browser feature of Windows?
2015-05-18 02:24 <Plugh> I don't run Windows a lot and I'm not in Windows right now so it is a little harder for me to be more specific.
2015-05-18 02:24 <Arily> Ok sorry, I accidentally pinged the wrong IP earlier
2015-05-18 02:24 <Plugh> oh
2015-05-18 02:24 <Plugh> :)
2015-05-18 02:24 <Arily> I pinged the correct IP now and it went threw
2015-05-18 02:24 <Arily> so now I'm still puzzled why I can't connect
2015-05-18 02:25 <Plugh> ok. May not say much but at least that is a good thing.
2015-05-18 02:25 <Plugh> It would help if you knew if the network traffic was reaching the other machine or not.
2015-05-18 02:26 <Arily> Ya when I go to network folder on any computer my computer shows and I can look in the shared files and folders after logging in with my windows username and pass
2015-05-18 02:26 <Arily> I can share files between computers no problem
2015-05-18 02:27 <Plugh> That's good. Access to the machine isnt' completely blocked.
2015-05-18 02:28 <Plugh> When you set up your standalone instance you used the public IP address and not 127.0.0.1 in the Regions.ini file for External host name?
2015-05-18 02:29 <Arily> Regions.ini is the Regions folder?
2015-05-18 02:29 <Plugh> yes
2015-05-18 02:30 <Arily> no I never messed with that I didn't see that on the website as something that needed to be changed.
2015-05-18 02:30 <Plugh> You could have called it something else but you will have an ini in the Regions folder.
2015-05-18 02:30 <Arily> ExternalHostName = SYSTEMIP so I would change that to my static IP?
2015-05-18 02:30 <Plugh> It would be safer to do that. 
2015-05-18 02:30 <Plugh> brb
2015-05-18 02:42 <Plugh> I'm back (for a little while longer)
2015-05-18 02:46 <Arily> I just wanted to say thanks for helping me today. I'm going to try again tomorrow. Thanks again!
2015-05-18 02:46 <Plugh> yw. I'm not around tomorrow there will be others (if you come in a bit earlier) that can help.
2015-05-18 02:47 <Plugh> um... If I'm not around.
2015-05-18 02:47 <Plugh> This time of day there isn't as many other people active in this channel.
2015-05-18 02:48 <Plugh> Either afk or sleeping. :)
2015-05-18 02:49 <Arily> Ok thanks!
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2015-05-18 02:57 <diva> VelusUniverse: you can do whatever you want wrt web interface, but please don't say wrong things about wifi. Wifi can be placed in any port, and responds to domain.com if you place it in port 80
2015-05-18 02:58 <diva> do whatever you want, but don't dissiminate wrong information about existing software
2015-05-18 07:50 <osmantis> Bug #7233:04 Warp 3d error on console Position beyond EOF 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7233 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-18 08:38 <VelusUniverseSys> is there a way to set it so when a user console sets up a user it creates a userprofile
2015-05-18 10:13 <osmantis> Bug #7578:04 Feature Request ONLY - type in commands to set everythings permissions  14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7578 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-05-18 12:52 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-18 12:59 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-18 13:39 <osmantis> Bug #6341:04 [PATCH] Adds PERMISSION_TELEPORT constant to LSL_Constants.cs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6341 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-18 14:00 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): has been UPDATED.
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2015-05-18 14:54 <osmantis> Bug #7578:04 Feature Request ONLY - type in commands to set everythings permissions  14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7578 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-18 18:57 <Kubwa> heyhey devs, its me again... i have a little question with mono again: https doesnt work well, thats clear, but some http requests later i got that -> http://pastebin.com/SCy7iQvJ
2015-05-18 18:57 <Kubwa> does someone know why even http doesnt work anymore after about 40 requests to the same domain?
2015-05-18 18:58 <Kubwa> no errors in the console btw.
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2015-05-19 05:58 <osmantis> Bug #7575:04 llCastRay V3 performance improved by mesh caching 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7575 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-19 11:58 <osmantis> Bug #6341:04 [PATCH] Adds PERMISSION_TELEPORT constant to LSL_Constants.cs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6341 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-19 12:13 <Plugh> A student won't use GIMP  because he doesn't like the program logo? That has to be the most ridiculous reason I've ever heard for not using a computer program.
2015-05-19 12:22 <Plugh> hehe... sorry. wrong window. (It's still early in the AM for me)  :)
2015-05-19 14:32 <Plugh> I just found out that VLC had 13 years of development before its 1.0.0 release. Based on that, how many more years before OpenSimulator has its 1.0 release. :)
2015-05-19 14:55 <Mandarinka_> Hi ) I experience, from time to time such problem:  ERROR - OpenSim.Framework.SynchronousRestObjectRequester [SynchronousRestObjectRequester]: WebException for GET http:/mygrid.com:8003/assets/uuid OpenSim.Framework.AssetBase  System.Net.WebException: The request timed out and then to fixt it i need to restart the region instance, those situations take place on regions that runing on diferent ip computer than  my grid server
2015-05-19 14:55 <Mandarinka_> it looks liek region loses connection with the grid
2015-05-19 14:56 <Mandarinka_> does it have anything with the database ?
2015-05-19 14:57 <Mandarinka_> when those problems apepar then always, it shwos oport 8003 - robust port, so what can be the reaosn  ? can someoen help me ?
2015-05-19 14:58 <Plugh> It might. The request is for an asset that would be retrieved from the database if it isn't already cached. Is the region server and database server on the same physical network?
2015-05-19 14:59 <Mandarinka_> no, not the same, problem appears only with regions runign on my servers located in other contry
2015-05-19 14:59 <Mandarinka_> regions located in my same office work do not have such issue
2015-05-19 15:00 <Plugh> I've seen that before. It is a network issue. I've experienced lag and some other issues when one set of servers are in one place and the other servers in a grid are located somewhere else (ie. another country).
2015-05-19 15:00 <Mandarinka_> so why asset cant be retrived from grid db ?  too tight conenction or what ? 
2015-05-19 15:00 <Mandarinka_> i ahve increased wait_timeout in mysql form default to one week even but stil it happens
2015-05-19 15:01 <Plugh> It won't help if the database is taking a long time to respond to the request. The issue is how long the requesting server will wait for a response.
2015-05-19 15:01 <Mandarinka_> but restart helps, ery strange issue, it is frustrating, 
2015-05-19 15:02 <Mandarinka_> i see ty, but whay you suggest to improve it ?
2015-05-19 15:02 <Plugh> Get all machines located in the same area (ie. same country). Preferably part of the same local network.
2015-05-19 15:02 <Plugh> as each other.
2015-05-19 15:04 <Mandarinka_> aww dear, hmm and such trick :  parting grid db on fwe parts wud be effective ?   i wud run robust.exe on each isntance  of regions with diffeernt  ip than grid but al robust.exe wud be connectec to the same  db wud it help ?  
2015-05-19 15:04 <Plugh> You want to minimize the number of machines your grids traffic passes through between the servers.
2015-05-19 15:05 <Mandarinka_> i feel the problem is as you tell, but it is not possibel to run all regions in my office, it is to much energy
2015-05-19 15:05 <Mandarinka_> i need to rent servers now
2015-05-19 15:08 <Plugh> The regions have to talk to Robust and possibly the web server. Robust will need to talk with the database. Too much network distance between the sets of machines can cause an issue. 
2015-05-19 15:10 <Mandarinka_> yes but maybe, if only oe robuste.xe works in my grid then it is too less, sorry but i search way how to avoid problem, residents say fromt iem to time such issue and i need to solve it i cant monitor those regions all the time ))  
2015-05-19 15:10 <Plugh> If your machines aren't running a lot of regions and if the machines have sufficient resources you could combine services to use fewer machines that are located closer together (network wise). If you are renting servers you should look at getting ones closer to the machines being used to run the region instances.
2015-05-19 15:11 <AliciaRaven> i have run robust in one country and regions from another, its not usualy a problem. what about all the people that connect to osgrid? most do not live close to the osgservers
2015-05-19 15:11 <Mandarinka_> i see ty, so you suggest to decrease distance between servers in other words.
2015-05-19 15:11 <Mandarinka_> yes Alicia,so what do you suggest ?
2015-05-19 15:12 <AliciaRaven> what is the network connection speed between the servers?
2015-05-19 15:12 <Mandarinka_> mayeb i need to tweak my grid db connections in soem way, hmm but i do not know what exactly
2015-05-19 15:12 <nebadon> honestly being in a different country shouldnt matter
2015-05-19 15:13 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: I had servers in North America and, for a time, I had db and web server in Europe (or was it the other way around). Most of the time things worked but there were occasional issues. After a while I completed moving everything to one area.
2015-05-19 15:13 <nebadon> i have simulators in Texas that connect to robust servers in Germany
2015-05-19 15:13 <nebadon> OSgrid has lots of european servers connect to it also
2015-05-19 15:13 <Plugh> It isn't physical distance that matters here in these situations. It is network distance.
2015-05-19 15:14 <AliciaRaven> Plugh, its better for them to be close but it shouldnt cause problems unless the service provider is bad
2015-05-19 15:14 <Mandarinka_> i see, so why soem regions runnign on different external ip than grid ip loses conenction ? it appears onyl when avatar logs in there, erros appear and i need to restart and then all is ok but enxt day or fw days later stil the same action 
2015-05-19 15:14 <nebadon> is this running on mono?
2015-05-19 15:14 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: AFAIK, both providers were good. I don't know about the connections in between.
2015-05-19 15:14 <Mandarinka_> mono
2015-05-19 15:14 <Mandarinka_> unix centos
2015-05-19 15:14 <nebadon> its probably running out of threads
2015-05-19 15:14 <nebadon> did you increase threads per cpu?
2015-05-19 15:14 <nebadon> its a setting you do in .bashrc
2015-05-19 15:15 <Mandarinka_> noi did not , ,it is unix 64, , how to do that ?
2015-05-19 15:15 <nebadon> in .bashrc file
2015-05-19 15:15 <nebadon> in ~ folder
2015-05-19 15:15 <nebadon> add
2015-05-19 15:15 <nebadon> export MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU=2048
2015-05-19 15:15 <nebadon> export MONO_GC_PARAMS=nursery-size=64m
2015-05-19 15:15 <nebadon> restart bash and then opensim
2015-05-19 15:15 <nebadon> do this for your robust and simulators
2015-05-19 15:16 <nebadon> what version of mono are you using?
2015-05-19 15:16 <Mandarinka_> i see, should i also add it to ./start script ? or wil it remember ?
2015-05-19 15:16 <nebadon> if you set it in .bashrc it will permanatly set it in the environment
2015-05-19 15:16 <nebadon> for that user
2015-05-19 15:16 <nebadon> will need to set this in the home folder for every linux user
2015-05-19 15:17 <Plugh> I should add those lines for my test grid.
2015-05-19 15:17 <nebadon> every linux user that is running opensim
2015-05-19 15:17 <nebadon> just make sure you restart bash
2015-05-19 15:17 <nebadon> if you are over ssh completely close out ssh and start a fresh session
2015-05-19 15:17 <Plugh> Mandarinka_: There should be a common startup file access by all users start up files so you can put the two lines in the global startup file.
2015-05-19 15:17 <nebadon> I had a similar problem teleporting
2015-05-19 15:18 <nebadon> if i didnt increase the threads
2015-05-19 15:18 <Mandarinka_> i see, my system is Operating system version: Unix 3.14.32.6, .NET platform Unix, 64-bit  let me check mono version
2015-05-19 15:18 <nebadon> anyway even if this turns out to not be the problem you should set this anyway
2015-05-19 15:18 <nebadon> mono -V
2015-05-19 15:18 <nebadon> to see version
2015-05-19 15:18 <Mandarinka_> Mono JIT compiler version 3.12.0 (tarball Wed Mar  4 10:12:15 CET 2015)
2015-05-19 15:18 <Plugh> On my machine ~/.bashrc makes use of /etc/bashrc so I could put the lines in the /etc copy so the change is available to all users.
2015-05-19 15:18 <nebadon> ok thats good
2015-05-19 15:18 <nebadon> should be fine
2015-05-19 15:19 <nebadon> possibly Plugh, i have never done it that way
2015-05-19 15:19 <nebadon> i usually only have 1 user running opensim
2015-05-19 15:21 <Plugh> ah, I already have made those changes. Just haven't done it on my own computer.
2015-05-19 15:22 <nebadon> its possible with the added latency of a remote server
2015-05-19 15:22 <nebadon> that it generates more threads
2015-05-19 15:22 <nebadon> the default # of threads is like 15
2015-05-19 15:22 <nebadon> its quite low
2015-05-19 15:22 <Mandarinka_> i see yes it sounds reasonable, i am workign to add those variables to my servers now   
2015-05-19 15:22 <nebadon> ive had all kinds of trouble, especially teleporting
2015-05-19 15:23 <Mandarinka_> but i need to confess that i had not met such issues with regions rungin on same machien as grid robust, onyl on rented in other country servers
2015-05-19 15:23 <nebadon> ya with super low latency it can probably clear threads out much faster
2015-05-19 15:23 <nebadon> eventually you would have trouble though
2015-05-19 15:23 <nebadon> with more users and content added to the simulators
2015-05-19 15:24 <nebadon> high latency alone is not enough to break opensim
2015-05-19 15:24 <Mandarinka_> suddnely agents are tiemd out, disconnected,  60.000ms error and enxt console writes erros, that agen t cant connect to grid that ssset cant conect etc etc, presence all sevices that are conected to 8003 becoem problem
2015-05-19 15:24 <nebadon> unless your talking about 500+ms reponse times
2015-05-19 15:24 <nebadon> which would be bad in a lot of things
2015-05-19 15:25 <nebadon> yea that to me sounds like there arent enough threads to process the requests
2015-05-19 15:25 <nebadon> so they just time out eventually
2015-05-19 15:27 <Mandarinka_> i seee, and those threads cant be in soem way renewed, after,asume certain time period?  those oens that are old cud be removed = turned off and in thsi way pool of them wud be always enough
2015-05-19 15:29 <Mandarinka_> maybe i wronglym improperly express my thoughts, ) ok i am trying to use yoru sugegstion Nebaddon now wil check if it elimiantes issues )
2015-05-19 15:29 <nebadon> yea they do clear out
2015-05-19 15:29 <nebadon> but 15 is the default
2015-05-19 15:29 <nebadon> opensim is very thread heavy
2015-05-19 15:29 <nebadon> small delays can be detrimental using the default settings
2015-05-19 15:29 <nebadon> its sort of a cascading problem too
2015-05-19 15:29 <nebadon> once your out of threads
2015-05-19 15:30 <nebadon> opensim starts to thrash like its running out of air
2015-05-19 15:30 <nebadon> mono project recommends setting theads to 2000 for thread heavy applications like opensimulator
2015-05-19 15:32 <Mandarinka_> i see, i always set MaxPoolThreads = 300  and MinPoolThreads = 15
2015-05-19 15:32 <Mandarinka_> in opensim.ini
2015-05-19 15:32 <nebadon> that is different
2015-05-19 15:32 <nebadon> thats for opensimulator itself
2015-05-19 15:32 <Mandarinka_> ah ok thought it has sth with it
2015-05-19 15:32 <nebadon> what we are setting is for mono 
2015-05-19 15:34 <Mandarinka_> in opensimdefaults/ini there is also such variable ;client_socket_rcvbuf_size = 8388608   it is commented out, and it is suggeted to use it,  is it important ?
2015-05-19 15:34 <nebadon> leave that as the default
2015-05-19 15:52 <Mandarinka_> ok thank You Nebadon Plugh,  Alicia ) i hope it solves my problems )) wil be monitoring )
2015-05-19 15:57 <Plugh> nebadon: Threads might be the issue with Robust running under Mono?
2015-05-19 16:04 <Ken_S> Nebadon (or anyone else), exactly what effect does the Priority setting in [XEngine] have when it is changed to a different priority?
2015-05-19 16:09 <Plugh> The ini file says it adjusts the priority of the threads use by the script engine.
2015-05-19 16:14 <Ken_S> Would that mean better response on say a sim designed for vehicles, or what exactly might it do?
2015-05-19 16:21 <Plugh> It would let scripts run at a slightly higher (or lower) priority than other threads. It might make some scripts a bit more responsive. Can't say if it really would or by how much. It would depend on what the script does.
2015-05-19 16:21 <Plugh> If a script is dependant on events or waiting for events to be triggered thread priority isn't going to make much difference.
2015-05-19 16:24 <Plugh> bbl. Time to go make lunch
2015-05-19 16:26 <JeffKelley> llRemoteLoadScriptPin *decreases* script count
2015-05-19 17:12 <paulieflomar> The new cast llcastray-v3 is lookin good. I look forward to seeing it in action!
2015-05-19 17:13 <paulieflomar> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7575
2015-05-19 17:58 <osmantis> Bug #7575:04 llCastRay V3 performance improved by mesh caching 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7575 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-19 18:21 <osmantis> Bug #7579:04 New return values from llGetEnv 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7579 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-19 18:22 <osmantis> Bug #7579:04 New return values from llGetEnv 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7579 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-05-19 18:31 <osmantis> Bug #7579:04 New return values from llGetEnv 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7579 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-05-19 18:36 <Plugh> nebadon: restarting wp?
2015-05-19 18:37 <nebadon> yes
2015-05-19 18:37 <Plugh> k, I'm trying to get out of there.
2015-05-19 18:37 <nebadon> hopefully doesnt take 20 minutes
2015-05-19 18:37 <Plugh> :)
2015-05-19 18:38 <nebadon> almost there
2015-05-19 18:38 <nebadon> 1/3 scripts loaded
2015-05-19 18:38 <BlueWall> haha, I got caught teleporting out and the viewer won't close
2015-05-19 18:38 <nebadon> heh ya sorry
2015-05-19 18:38 <nebadon> i didnt want to wait 10 minutes for everyone to TP out
2015-05-19 18:38 <BlueWall> there we go
2015-05-19 18:38 <BlueWall> it's fine
2015-05-19 18:38 <nebadon> 2/3 scripts loaded
2015-05-19 18:39 <Plugh> Dang it. I should have put in another bid on the item. The meeting made me forget.  Grr!
2015-05-19 18:39 <AliciaRaven> aww i missed the meeting
2015-05-19 18:39 <nebadon> its not over
2015-05-19 18:39 <nebadon> region is restarting
2015-05-19 18:40 <nebadon> almost back
2015-05-19 18:40 <AliciaRaven> problems?
2015-05-19 18:40 <nebadon> ya it was super laggy
2015-05-19 18:40 <nebadon> using like 8gb ram
2015-05-19 18:40 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-19 18:40 <nebadon> its up
2015-05-19 18:40 <AliciaRaven> i had my nose in code and lost track of time
2015-05-19 18:40 <nebadon> head on in :)
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2015-05-19 23:45 <VelusUniverseSys> hello is there anyone who runs osgrid here?
2015-05-19 23:45 <VelusUniverseSys> i would like to talk to someone about it. i may be able to get them a lot of help specially with the db end of it
2015-05-19 23:51 <VelusUniverseSys> nebadon, you run osgrid yes
2015-05-20 00:41 <frnic> Velus, you should post this in the OSGrid channel.
2015-05-20 01:27 <dahlia> VelusUniverseSys: #osgrid
2015-05-20 13:08 <osmantis> Bug #7580:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast movement not smooth in opensim 0.8.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7580 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2015-05-20 17:26 <mheilman> nebadon, are you around?
2015-05-20 17:40 <mheilman> Maybe someone else can help.  I am creating and testing the next patch for Opensim from MOSES.  However, some of these changes are older, and opensim has modified the files themelves.  The older commits now do not apply.  I can get them to apply cleanly (relatively, trailing space errors and whatnot) by squashing them, but I wanted input from an opensim dev on your stance on squashing patches
2015-05-20 17:41 <mheilman> pulls and merges work fine once I reconciled conflicts locally, but the patches apply in order, and do not include that information it seems.
2015-05-20 17:42 <Plugh> What do you mean by "squashing patches"? If you patched a file and the version of the file in OpenSim has been changed since your patch was created it is up to you to reapply your patch (if it still needed) using the latest version of the file from OpenSim.
2015-05-20 17:51 <nebadon> thats a bit out of my league mheilman
2015-05-20 17:51 <nebadon> diva_ may have better guidance
2015-05-20 17:51 <nebadon> are you around diva_?
2015-05-20 17:51 <mheilman> yes plugh, but as commits apply in order, the same conflicts arise when applying the patch
2015-05-20 17:52 <mheilman> If I squash them, it appears to be a single commit with all the changes necessary, but histor and commit messages are lost for the commits in question
2015-05-20 17:52 <nebadon> that may be unavoidable
2015-05-20 17:53 <nebadon> unless the original creator makes new patches mheilman
2015-05-20 17:53 <nebadon> that apply against master
2015-05-20 17:53 <Plugh> oh, by squashing them you mean combining multiple patches in to fewer or a single patch.
2015-05-20 17:53 <nebadon> Melanie_T ?
2015-05-20 17:53 <mheilman> A rebase instead of pull from opensim may have corrected this, but I'm not sure if rolling back to regenerate a patch will be worth the effort
2015-05-20 17:53 <mheilman> yes, the good ol' git squash
2015-05-20 17:53 <nebadon> hehe
2015-05-20 17:53 <Plugh> :)
2015-05-20 17:54 <mheilman> I can talk to them, but they have been delivering to us by pull request, not patch
2015-05-20 17:54 <diva_> mheilman: you may want to ask them what they want to do. If they don't mind loosing the history, we don't mind either.
2015-05-20 17:55 <diva> if they mind, then they need to repatch somehow
2015-05-20 17:55 <mheilman> a squash would let me clean up trailing whitespace, but I am paranoid about mucking with version control histories
2015-05-20 17:55 <mheilman> I'll look into it.  Thanks
2015-05-20 17:55 <Plugh> mheilman: They provide patched code instead of the patches? 
2015-05-20 17:57 <mheilman> no, we are both operating off of github, so we were leveraging the github pull-request and auto-merge-on-no-conflicts mechanisms
2015-05-20 17:57 <mheilman> I only use patches for submitting to you guyd
2015-05-20 17:57 <mheilman> *guys
2015-05-20 17:58 <mheilman> we keep as much of our stuff in the open as we are allowed, on https://github.com/m-o-s-e-s
2015-05-20 17:58 <Plugh>   p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }  /me nods
2015-05-20 17:59 <Plugh> oops. C&P issue with that last comment. :P
2015-05-20 17:59 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-20 17:59 <mheilman> I already had the developers redo their pull request twice to fix problems with it, I wonder what they will say
2015-05-20 17:59 <Plugh> Copied from the Skype window where the comment wound up.
2015-05-20 18:00 <Plugh> Are the developers trying to keep their copy of OS up to date with master while doing this work or are they sticking to a given version to avoid other dealing with other issues that could creep in with an OS update?
2015-05-20 18:01 <Plugh> s/other dealing/having to deal/
2015-05-20 18:02 <mheilman> They were trying to stick to an older version, but we made them start pulling at least from our repo.  It is not very useful to patch old versions of software
2015-05-20 18:02 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-05-20 18:05 <Plugh> Squashing patches depends on how you want to work with the other developers and what you want to have in OS as change history. OS doesn't have to see all the minutae of the development being done. IMO, it would be sufficient to have patches for OS made that are created at various stages of the development.
2015-05-20 18:06 <Plugh> For example, several patches were made by the develoepers to get to the point were feature X was working properly. At that point a single patch could be made that could be applied to a branch of Open Simulator to provide that feature.
2015-05-20 18:06 <mheilman> ok, I'll discuss with them and test internally.  At least I have one path that works
2015-05-20 18:06 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-05-20 19:00 <osmantis> Bug #7579:04 New return values from llGetEnv 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7579 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-20 19:02 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-20 19:05 <nebadon> dahlia if you get a chance can you take a look at the outstanding llCastRay patches on Mantis and see what you think of them?
2015-05-20 19:05 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7568
2015-05-20 19:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #4187 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-20 19:05 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7575
2015-05-20 19:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4187: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4187/
2015-05-20 19:10 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: New values returned by llGetEnv
2015-05-20 19:28 <osmantis> Bug #7581:04 [PATCH] New metrics introduced 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7581 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-20 19:29 <mheilman> The patch is working.  It will have a conflict when I pull back from opensim if it is accepted, but that is because I leveraged the squash to also clean up trailing whitespace.
2015-05-20 19:29 <diva> thanks mheilman. I'll look at it later
2015-05-20 19:30 <mheilman> ok diva.  Thank you.
2015-05-20 19:30 <Plugh> mheilman: What editor are the developers using that is adding trailing whitespace?
2015-05-20 19:32 <mheilman> They are primarily operating using Microsoft Visual Studio.  They did find an add-on that purport to clean it up, but I'm not sure of the results
2015-05-20 19:32 <Plugh> ok. Just wondered what sort of editor would add trailing whitespace. Seems an odd thing to do.
2015-05-20 19:32 <mheilman> I dug into whitespace after our first patch, and visual studio does't seem to care
2015-05-20 19:32 <Plugh> I wonder if there is a setting in the editor that would stop it from doing that.
2015-05-20 19:33 <diva> not the editor but in git there is
2015-05-20 19:33 <diva> it can be configured to work across linux-windows line endings. I usually configure it according to what github says
2015-05-20 19:33 <mheilman> a pre-commit hook could do something similar, but I am hesitant to force too much on these guys at once
2015-05-20 19:34 <diva> https://help.github.com/articles/dealing-with-line-endings/
2015-05-20 19:34 <diva> (I work in Windows too)
2015-05-20 19:35 <mheilman> that likely isn't the problem, as it would be around 10 lines with trailing whitespace on a source file with hundreds of lines
2015-05-20 19:35 <mheilman> I suspect the auto-formatting for comments, etc
2015-05-20 19:35 <Plugh> That is for CRLF vs LF vs CR line endings. It doesn't handle white space at the end of a line, afaik.
2015-05-20 19:37 <diva> oh ok
2015-05-20 19:38 <Plugh> If they were using (g)vi(m) for Windows it can be configured to auto-strip trailing whitespace. 
2015-05-20 19:47 <nebadon> heh ya crazy like 50%+ of that patch is just whitespace fixes
2015-05-20 19:47 <nebadon> definitely makes reviewing the code a bit difficult
2015-05-20 19:48 <nebadon> actually its probably more like 75% of it
2015-05-20 19:49 <Plugh> bbl
2015-05-20 20:01 <mheilman> sorry about that, but it did get rid of the whitespace warnings
2015-05-20 20:02 <nebadon> yea no worries
2015-05-20 20:03 <LiruCookies> nebadon: Why don't you use actual pull requests?
2015-05-20 20:03 <nebadon> I am not sure we have access to the repo they are working from
2015-05-20 20:03 <LiruCookies> If you could view the changes in some gui like gitk, you could see changes without whitespace...
2015-05-20 20:04 <LiruCookies> 13:58 < mheilman> we keep as much of our stuff in the open as we are allowed, on https://github.com/m-o-s-e-s
2015-05-20 20:04 <nebadon> that looks pretty much the same as ours
2015-05-20 20:04 <nebadon> they are pulling code from some other private branch I think
2015-05-20 20:05 <mheilman> our developers on the metrics effort have an internal repo, but they are delivering to that one.  The patch came from there.
2015-05-20 20:05 <mheilman> well, save the whitespace fixes I added locally
2015-05-20 20:06 <nebadon> yea would it have even merged correctly into our master without doing that?
2015-05-20 20:06 <nebadon> even if we just cherry picked it
2015-05-20 20:06 <nebadon> would have had same issues no?
2015-05-20 20:07 <nebadon> we definitley could do that if it cleanly goes
2015-05-20 20:07 <nebadon> well as long as diva is ok with that since she is the one doing this
2015-05-20 20:07 <nebadon> but technically should not be a problem, we have done it before
2015-05-20 20:07 <nebadon> one time it was a complete disaster though 
2015-05-20 20:08 <nebadon> for dahlia, it went horribly bad
2015-05-20 20:08 <nebadon> to be fair though it was an extremely complicated patch overall
2015-05-20 20:08 <nebadon> was a really big one
2015-05-20 20:08 <dahlia> hmmm?
2015-05-20 20:09 <nebadon> remember that really big cherry pick you did
2015-05-20 20:09 <nebadon> that went horribly bad
2015-05-20 20:09 <dahlia> the pgsql one?
2015-05-20 20:09 <nebadon> yes
2015-05-20 20:09 <dahlia> actually it worked, there was core revolt tho about some of the effects
2015-05-20 20:10 <nebadon> oh hmm for some reason I thought you had trouble with the merge too though
2015-05-20 20:10 <dahlia> and it was very difficult to undo because of all of our downstream repos
2015-05-20 20:11 <dahlia> I did have a few issues with the merge but they generally were simple to solve
2015-05-20 20:11 <nebadon> k
2015-05-20 20:11 <nebadon> well anyway mheilman I didnt realize you had this stuff exposed, I was under the impression it was a private repo
2015-05-20 20:11 <nebadon> so maybe its easier to just pick it right from your repo, lets see what diva says
2015-05-20 20:11 <nebadon> since she is handling it
2015-05-20 20:11 <dahlia> breif synopsis of the context?
2015-05-20 20:11 <nebadon> if it makes everyones life easier then why not
2015-05-20 20:12 <nebadon> mheilman is posting patch files on mantis
2015-05-20 20:12 <nebadon> but they are just coming from his github repo
2015-05-20 20:12 <nebadon> he is pulling code from a internal git repo out to their public github
2015-05-20 20:12 <nebadon> and then generating patches from that
2015-05-20 20:12 <dahlia> do they apply?
2015-05-20 20:13 <nebadon> well sort of, there has been a bit of struggle
2015-05-20 20:13 <nebadon> becasue of whitespace
2015-05-20 20:13 <nebadon> so it may not be that simple if that cant be resolved for future patches
2015-05-20 20:13 <nebadon> I dont know if he is fixing it before going to his github or after
2015-05-20 20:13 <dahlia> whitespace shouldnt affect code, only formatting
2015-05-20 20:13 <dahlia> (in theory)
2015-05-20 20:14 <nebadon> yea but its a lot
2015-05-20 20:14 <nebadon> if you look at their last patch
2015-05-20 20:14 <nebadon> like 75% of the patch is just whitespace
2015-05-20 20:14 <nebadon> being fixed
2015-05-20 20:14 <mheilman> I ran sed against the files to strip trailing whitespace
2015-05-20 20:15 <mheilman> *the files modified by the original patch
2015-05-20 20:15 <dahlia> oh
2015-05-20 20:15 <dahlia> so the patches are very noisy?
2015-05-20 20:16 <dahlia> it's probably better that the actual code changes aren't obscured by formatting corrections
2015-05-20 20:16 <nebadon> ya if its minimal its one thing
2015-05-20 20:16 <nebadon> but that last patch is literally 75% fixing the white space
2015-05-20 20:17 <dahlia> because if we can't see the changes, we can't evaluate the patch
2015-05-20 20:17 <nebadon> i guess the editor they use maybe doing it? I don't know it seems like its all comments only
2015-05-20 20:17 <nebadon> no actual code is getting whitespace, just comment lines
2015-05-20 20:17 <nebadon> mostly anyway
2015-05-20 20:18 <mheilman> the first patch we submitted had some pushback from whitespace warnings, so I made sure there were none....
2015-05-20 20:18 <nebadon> yea I am not complaining don't get me wrong, I am just wondering if there is a better way
2015-05-20 20:18 <dahlia> I would think a whitespace patch should be separate
2015-05-20 20:19 <nebadon> ya thats what i normally do if I am pushing someone elses patch that has just a couple problems
2015-05-20 20:19 <nebadon> i push it with whitespace, then do another one with the fixes
2015-05-20 20:19 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2015-05-20 20:20 <mheilman> if it is helpful, I could regenerate the patch without the whitespace fixes.  I haven't pushed them to the moses github yet anyways
2015-05-20 20:21 <nebadon> you mean the rest of the patches?
2015-05-20 20:21 <nebadon> oh you mean this one too
2015-05-20 20:21 <nebadon> ya that might be good
2015-05-20 20:21 <mheilman> the one I just submitted
2015-05-20 20:21 <nebadon> sure, if you don't mind
2015-05-20 20:21 <mheilman> give me a few minutes to regenerate and retest
2015-05-20 20:21 <nebadon> ya no rush
2015-05-20 20:22 <nebadon> not sure if diva will get to it today or not
2015-05-20 20:23 <AliciaRaven> git diff -w --no-color | git apply --cached --ignore-whitespace
2015-05-20 20:23 <AliciaRaven> ?
2015-05-20 20:25 <AllenKerensky> you know, as much as we all hate the silliness of line-ending differences, it could be the one thing that saves us from a seed AI achieving a hard-takeoff singularity
2015-05-20 20:26 <nebadon> either that or we get a split personality singularity
2015-05-20 20:26 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-20 20:26 <dahlia> they say they have lawyer AIs that can outdo real lawyers
2015-05-20 20:28 <AllenKerensky> "10 aero-technicians were sentenced by the justice computer to..." ~ E.L.O. Time...
2015-05-20 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #7581:04 [PATCH] New metrics introduced 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7581 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-20 20:50 <jakdaniels_> does it matter that this patch also changes the file modes of affected files from 644 to 755, thus marking all the files as executable?
2015-05-20 20:57 <dahlia> jakdaniels_: probably
2015-05-20 20:58 <dahlia> sounds kinda like someone's dev environment is a hybrid of networked linux and windows machines
2015-05-20 21:01 <Melanie_T> mheilman: we prefer smaller patches and intact history
2015-05-20 21:01 <Melanie_T> you can create that by using rebase
2015-05-20 21:02 <Melanie_T> are you familiar with that ?
2015-05-20 21:05 <mheilman> I am, the problem is it was not developed in my repository, I only got a pull request from theirs.  I do not think I can rebase their work from inside of my own repository
2015-05-20 21:05 <Melanie_T> if your repo initially inherited opensim in any form, you can
2015-05-20 21:06 <Melanie_T> what you would do is create a branch and pull opensim master into it
2015-05-20 21:06 <Melanie_T> then you can rebase the commit chain fro the other branch into the opensim one
2015-05-20 21:06 <mheilman> I mean, their work was merged with upstream, I pulled theirs, as already merged with upstream, I do not know how to convert a merge into an upstream
2015-05-20 21:06 <Melanie_T> fixing the merge conflicts on the way
2015-05-20 21:07 <Melanie_T> what do you call upstream?
2015-05-20 21:07 <mheilman> If you can give me documentation on that, I will have a look.  I have been digging on this all afternoon looking for a non-squash method
2015-05-20 21:07 <Melanie_T> opensim or moses trunk?
2015-05-20 21:07 <mheilman> upstream is your opensim repository
2015-05-20 21:07 <mheilman> I pull opensim into moses master
2015-05-20 21:09 <mheilman> I believe their work is merged.  I recieve their work through a pull request, which is a merge.  I do not know how, or even if it is possible, to convert a merge into a rebase after the fact
2015-05-20 21:09 <Melanie_T> ok
2015-05-20 21:09 <Melanie_T> assume that opensim master is in a branch called opensi
2015-05-20 21:09 <Melanie_T> m
2015-05-20 21:10 <Melanie_T> assume the merged work you got is in a  branch called moses
2015-05-20 21:10 <Melanie_T> assume both are current (at HEAD)
2015-05-20 21:10 <Melanie_T> issue
2015-05-20 21:10 <Melanie_T> git rebase moses opensim
2015-05-20 21:11 <Melanie_T> for every merge issue, fix the issue by editing the files as indicated
2015-05-20 21:11 <Melanie_T> then issue
2015-05-20 21:11 <Melanie_T> git rebase --continue
2015-05-20 21:11 <Melanie_T> until the rebase is complete
2015-05-20 21:12 <dahlia> I'd think some history of development of a patch might be useful but a lot of it might just be excessive noise... spelling changes and whatnot
2015-05-20 21:12 <Melanie_T> this will cause all commits that are in moses that are not in opensim to be set aside, moses to be rewound to what opensim is at that time, then the commits that were set aside to be applied to the branch in order
2015-05-20 21:12 <Melanie_T> so they come later than the latest opensim commit
2015-05-20 21:13 <Melanie_T> from that point, you can successfully format-patch them
2015-05-20 21:14 <Melanie_T> dahlia: as an upstream project we're duty-bound to not make life intentinally hard for forks. megapatches that touch oodles of files with unrelated changes are such a point
2015-05-20 21:14 <Melanie_T> the missing logical connection between changes in a megapatch makes merging upstream into forks very hard
2015-05-20 21:14 <Melanie_T> since a simple rebase can solve this, i don't see a reason to let a megapatch in
2015-05-20 21:16 <mheilman> Melanie_t, where do I execute the git rebase command? It is not having any effect from master
2015-05-20 21:16 <mheilman> is it inside of moses branch?
2015-05-20 21:16 <Melanie_T> no, you need to run it from moses
2015-05-20 21:16 <Melanie_T> it will change the order of patches in moses
2015-05-20 21:17 <Melanie_T> if you don't want that, branch it first
2015-05-20 21:17 <mheilman> I get "Switched to branch 'opensim', 'Current branch opensim is up to date.'
2015-05-20 21:17 <Melanie_T> but it's really advanageous to let it change the order in your moses branch
2015-05-20 21:17 <Melanie_T> as it will make future patches easier
2015-05-20 21:18 <Melanie_T> you shouuld have pulled opensm
2015-05-20 21:18 <Melanie_T> and if moses has a remote, also have pulled that
2015-05-20 21:18 <mheilman> I am trying again with a fresh clone
2015-05-20 21:18 <Melanie_T> then git checkout moses
2015-05-20 21:18 <Melanie_T> then git rebase moses opensi
2015-05-20 21:18 <Melanie_T> m
2015-05-20 21:19 <Melanie_T> this assumes that your moses branch is up to date wrt. opensim
2015-05-20 21:19 <Melanie_T> so you may need to git merge opensim first
2015-05-20 21:19 <Melanie_T> so that moses contains all commits opensim containes
2015-05-20 21:19 <Melanie_T> then rebase
2015-05-20 21:19 <Melanie_T> what does this round of patches do?
2015-05-20 21:22 <mheilman> It is documented on the mantis
2015-05-20 21:22 <diva> as far as I can see it just adds a handful of simple metrics
2015-05-20 21:22 <diva> tyings like number of l;ogins, number of mesh objects, etc
2015-05-20 21:22 <mheilman> Melanie_T, I am getting patch does not apply, and other errors, from a patch generated using the rebase you have described.  These are the same errors I was squashingg commits to avoid
2015-05-20 21:23 <mheilman> wait, I spoke too early
2015-05-20 21:23 <Melanie_T> yes you need to fix them
2015-05-20 21:23 <Melanie_T> then do git rebase --continue
2015-05-20 21:23 <Melanie_T> those issues are expected
2015-05-20 21:24 <Melanie_T> the rebasing should have given you those errors
2015-05-20 21:24 <Melanie_T> this is where you fix them
2015-05-20 21:24 <Melanie_T> so you can then extract the fixed patches
2015-05-20 21:24 <mheilman> no, I didnt speak too early.  The rebase executed without any conflicts.  branches moses and opensim now have the same history.  I generated a patch between opensim and master, which generated the errors I described
2015-05-20 21:24 <Melanie_T> if the rebase is complete, you should be able to git-log
2015-05-20 21:25 <Melanie_T> in moses
2015-05-20 21:25 <Melanie_T> you will find that all the patches you want to export now come first in the list
2015-05-20 21:25 <Melanie_T> then use git format-patch on the commit range
2015-05-20 21:25 <mheilman> negative, git commits are in the same order.  I am reading up git rebase documentation to see if we are just close
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2015-05-20 21:31 <mheilman> I am getting results from git pull --rebase
2015-05-20 21:32 <Melanie_T> ok
2015-05-20 21:32 <Melanie_T> this part of git has seen changes across versions
2015-05-20 21:34 <mheilman> hmm, nope, patch 0001... still throwing errors against master.  I doubt it worked, after rebase the most recent commit is not one of ours
2015-05-20 21:34 <Melanie_T> your "moses"
2015-05-20 21:34 <Melanie_T> is basically nothing classified, right?
2015-05-20 21:35 <Melanie_T> so it should be possible for me to pull it somewhere and see what the problem might be?
2015-05-20 21:36 <mheilman> yes, it is up at https://github.com/m-o-s-e-s/opensim.git
2015-05-20 21:37 <Melanie_T> is master the place to be?
2015-05-20 21:42 <Melanie_T> mheilman: are we talking about 21 commits?
2015-05-20 21:43 <mheilman> master is the place.  21 commits may be correct, it was a seamless pull request when I received it.
2015-05-20 21:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #4188 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-20 21:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4188: SUCCESS in 4 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4188/
2015-05-20 21:49 <osjenkins> * martin: Moved over metrics from previous OpenSim 0.8.0.3 repository (this new repository is now the master branch from OpenSim).
2015-05-20 21:49 <osjenkins> * rlouden: Phase 2 additons with Frame Dilation metric.
2015-05-20 21:49 <osjenkins> * rlouden: Phase 2 additons with Frame Dilation metric.
2015-05-20 21:49 <osjenkins> * szielins: Added in all metrics for Phase 1 except for Time Dilation.
2015-05-20 21:49 <osjenkins> * rlouden: Readded file to repository. Acciedently removed.
2015-05-20 21:49 <osjenkins> * szielins: Changed the 10 value to be a constant value inside of the Scene called m_DefaultNumberFramesStored.
2015-05-20 21:49 <osjenkins> * szielins: Changed the 10 value to be a constant value inside of the Scene called m_DefaultNumberFramesStored.
2015-05-20 21:49 <osjenkins> * szielins: Updated phase 2 to have the changes originally done in phase 1 for the defaultNumberFramesStored.
2015-05-20 21:49 <osjenkins> * szielins: Fixed a bug that would cause the sim extra stats reporter to fail in reporting stats. The bug was caused by the current process threads which can return null references.
2015-05-20 21:49 <osjenkins> * szielins: Fixed vocabulary in a comment to match the code.
2015-05-20 21:49 <osjenkins> * szielins: Fixed a bug that would cause the sim extra stats reporter to fail in reporting stats. The bug was caused by the current process threads which can return null references.
2015-05-20 21:49 <osjenkins> * mheilman: Removing duplicate definition
2015-05-20 21:50 <Melanie_T> stick a fork in it, it's done
2015-05-20 21:50 <mheilman> well praise be
2015-05-20 21:51 <Plugh> wow. That's all the moses changes being pushed to an OS branch?
2015-05-20 21:51 <Melanie_T> to os master
2015-05-20 21:51 <Melanie_T> and not all
2015-05-20 21:51 <Melanie_T> just the current patch set
2015-05-20 21:51 <Melanie_T> i can't access all of moses ;)
2015-05-20 21:51 <smxy> Nice to see their efforts getting into Core.
2015-05-20 21:51 <nebadon> Thanks Melanie_T :)
2015-05-20 21:52 <Melanie_T> np
2015-05-20 21:52 <mheilman> yes, thanks
2015-05-20 21:52 <Plugh> Oh, right. a merge conflict because I had fixed llGetEnv() in my source tree and someone just pushed a changed version from a mantis patch.
2015-05-20 21:52 <mheilman> do you need anything from me on this? I'm about to AFK
2015-05-20 21:52 <mheilman> for the night
2015-05-20 21:53 <smxy> Might wait until the build completes successfully.
2015-05-20 21:53 <smxy> Jenkins, that is.
2015-05-20 21:54 <mheilman> sure, I'm not leaving now, but I'm going to start looking for the door soon
2015-05-20 21:54 <Melanie_T> it already did
2015-05-20 21:54 <smxy> oh, okay then
2015-05-20 21:54 <Plugh> 
ACTION wonders how he can resolve the merge conflict without losing some other pending changes.

2015-05-20 21:54 <Melanie_T> Plugh: merge conflict on pull?
2015-05-20 21:54 <Plugh> yes
2015-05-20 21:54 <nebadon> git revert? 
2015-05-20 21:54 <Melanie_T> pending changes committed locally?
2015-05-20 21:55 <Melanie_T> well, yes they'd have to be
2015-05-20 21:55 <Melanie_T> git reset --hard
2015-05-20 21:55 <Melanie_T> git clean -d -f
2015-05-20 21:55 <Melanie_T> git pull --rebase
2015-05-20 21:55 <Plugh> I have a file with local changes but not commited. I don't want to lose those changes. I can lose the changes in the file with the conflict because a pushed patch duplicates work I had done locally. I can throw away my work on that file and use the upstream version.
2015-05-20 21:55 <Melanie_T> ok
2015-05-20 21:55 <Melanie_T> wait then
2015-05-20 21:55 <Plugh> If I do that I will lose my local changes.
2015-05-20 21:56 <Melanie_T> normally, it would not let you pull with local changes
2015-05-20 21:56 <Plugh> I tried git merge --abort and that didn't work.
2015-05-20 21:56 <Melanie_T> so just use git stash
2015-05-20 21:56 <Melanie_T> git stash
2015-05-20 21:57 <Plugh> My pull command does an automatic stash.
2015-05-20 21:57 <Melanie_T> git pull
2015-05-20 21:57 <Melanie_T> ok
2015-05-20 21:57 <Plugh> something must have gone wrong.
2015-05-20 21:57 <Melanie_T> i don't knwo about your scripts
2015-05-20 21:57 <Melanie_T> if it did a stash there should be no local changes
2015-05-20 21:57 <Plugh> git stash, git pull --rebase, git stash pop
2015-05-20 21:57 <Melanie_T> then you got the conflict on the git stash pop
2015-05-20 21:57 <Melanie_T> pop is a bad idea
2015-05-20 21:57 <Melanie_T> apply is better as it leaves the stash intact for anothgher try
2015-05-20 21:57 <Melanie_T> abyway
2015-05-20 21:57 <Melanie_T> anyway
2015-05-20 21:58 <Melanie_T> you should now have your local changes as merge conflicts
2015-05-20 21:58 <diva> thanks Mel
2015-05-20 21:58 <Melanie_T> just edit the files abd fix the <<<<< markers
2015-05-20 21:58 <Melanie_T> then commit
2015-05-20 21:58 <Melanie_T> that will commit your local changes as an extra commit after the merge, ready for test and push to core
2015-05-20 21:58 <Plugh> I don't need my changes. My changes duplicate that of a recent commit.
2015-05-20 21:58 <Melanie_T> then do git reset --hard
2015-05-20 21:59 <Melanie_T> you should be good with that
2015-05-20 21:59 <Plugh> I'll do that after I save the other file I have with local changes.
2015-05-20 21:59 <Melanie_T> you do't have that anymore
2015-05-20 21:59 <Plugh> reset --hard will otherwise lose work.
2015-05-20 21:59 <Melanie_T> it's now a conflicted file
2015-05-20 21:59 <Melanie_T> what you did is this
2015-05-20 21:59 <Melanie_T> stash your local changes in stash@{0}
2015-05-20 22:00 <Plugh> I have a file with a conflict and I have a file that has local changes that is not yet commited.
2015-05-20 22:00 <Melanie_T> pull onto the now clean branch
2015-05-20 22:00 <Melanie_T> pop from stash@{0}
2015-05-20 22:00 <Melanie_T> this LOST stash@{0} which is now part of the conflicted file
2015-05-20 22:00 <Melanie_T> if that files was the only local change, git reset --hard would fix this
2015-05-20 22:01 <Melanie_T> if there were other local changes, then you can fix just this one file
2015-05-20 22:01 <Plugh> git stash tells me I have a file that needs a merge.
2015-05-20 22:01 <Melanie_T> using git checkout /path/to/file
2015-05-20 22:01 <Melanie_T> that makes it be like upstream
2015-05-20 22:01 <Plugh> I tried git checkout and it wouldn't let me because that file needs a merge.
2015-05-20 22:02 <Melanie_T> the git checkout <file> syntax is precisely for this - to use one of the files as-is
2015-05-20 22:02 <Melanie_T> there is a special syntax you may be able to use
2015-05-20 22:02 <Plugh> $ git checkout OpenSim/Region/ScriptEngine/Shared/Api/Implementation/LSL_Api.cs
2015-05-20 22:02 <Plugh> error: path 'OpenSim/Region/ScriptEngine/Shared/Api/Implementation/LSL_Api.cs' is unmerged
2015-05-20 22:03 <Plugh> I'll just copy the other file I have modified to /tmp then reset my source tree and copy the modified file back in to place.
2015-05-20 22:03 <Melanie_T> use reset
2015-05-20 22:03 <Melanie_T> git reset <file>
2015-05-20 22:03 <Plugh> It is a lot faster to do that instead of messing about with git.
2015-05-20 22:03 <Melanie_T> then git checkout <file>
2015-05-20 22:03 <Plugh> oh, just reset a file.
2015-05-20 22:04 <Plugh> ok, that did it.
2015-05-20 22:04 <Plugh> I forgot about resetting a file.
2015-05-20 22:04 <Plugh> thanks.
2015-05-20 22:04 <Plugh> Have I mentioned I don't like git?  :P
2015-05-20 22:04 <Melanie_T> i think you did
2015-05-20 22:04 <Melanie_T> i don't like it either
2015-05-20 22:04 <Plugh> It's fine until something goes wrong (ie. conflicts), then it can be a pain.
2015-05-20 22:05 <Melanie_T> but i had to go up the mountain and study git-fu in seclusion and prayer
2015-05-20 22:05 <Melanie_T> now my git-fu is strong
2015-05-20 22:05 <Melanie_T> :P
2015-05-20 22:06 <Plugh> I made my own cheat sheet for git that covers things. I'll have to check if I documented resetting a file.
2015-05-20 22:07 <Plugh> git log says master was branched into moses but I don't see a moses branch listed in OS.
2015-05-20 22:08 <Melanie_T> no, that happened in one of the closed repos in moses
2015-05-20 22:08 <dahlia> I just blame Melanie_T when I mess up something with git, that usually fixes it :)
2015-05-20 22:08 <Melanie_T> git is confusing if your git-fu is weak
2015-05-20 22:08 <Plugh> so, what was all the merge spew earlier?
2015-05-20 22:08 <Melanie_T> merging a 21 patch series from moses
2015-05-20 22:09 <dahlia> I used to just blame justin but he doesn't seem to be around anymore :(
2015-05-20 22:13 <Plugh> Hmm...21 patches but only shows up as 1 log entry.
2015-05-20 22:13 <Melanie_T> the patches are older and were sorted into the history i order
2015-05-20 22:13 <Melanie_T> in*
2015-05-20 22:14 <Melanie_T> the last one is my merge
2015-05-20 22:14 <Melanie_T> the other ones have been chronologically sorted to the time they were written
2015-05-20 22:14 <Plugh> oh, ok. That makes it harder to know what just got added to master.
2015-05-20 22:14 <Melanie_T> use git reflog
2015-05-20 22:22 <Plugh> That doesn't seem to tell me anything more about what commits were part of the merge. I'm not going to worry about it. I was just curious to find out if there was a way to see the list of commits in a merge.
2015-05-20 22:32 <dahlia> personally I'd rather have a patch that completely adds a feature. I'm not really all that iterested in the history. Others may disagree I'm sure
2015-05-20 22:40 <nebadon> https://github.com/M-O-S-E-S/opensim/commit/714c082ca856a18292cee345d2b875006c41a6d5
2015-05-20 22:44 <zadark> Some needs to update the contributions file?
2015-05-20 22:45 <nebadon> mheilman
2015-05-20 22:45 <nebadon> you have a list of the contributors?
2015-05-20 22:45 <nebadon> i can add them if you do
2015-05-20 22:46 <Plugh> oh, great. Firefox just fscked up and forgot all my open windows and tabs. :P  I'll have to see if I can restore them after dinner. 
2015-05-20 22:46 <Plugh> bbl.
2015-05-20 22:55 <AliciaRaven> grr bulletsim is driving me crazy, collison events in scripts not fireing half the time and its worse with linux than on windows
2015-05-20 23:00 <dahlia> Plugh: on the history menu on FF there's an option to restore old session
2015-05-20 23:01 <nebadon> AliciaRaven you sure its bulletsim?
2015-05-20 23:01 <dahlia> it's like the third menu item from the top on the history menu
2015-05-20 23:01 <nebadon> I do remember llVolumeDetect being pretty much unusuable in bulletsim
2015-05-20 23:02 <dahlia> llVolumeDetect has been pretty flakey in SL too
2015-05-20 23:02 <AliciaRaven> yep, didnt have the issue in ode, also not using volumedetect, i think that has to be togged on off twice to make it work tho
2015-05-20 23:03 <nebadon> well I just meant it not being reliable
2015-05-20 23:03 <nebadon> may be the same issue
2015-05-20 23:03 <nebadon> it only works like 25% of the time
2015-05-20 23:03 <nebadon> though I havent tried in a long time because it wasnt worth using it anymore
2015-05-20 23:03 <AliciaRaven> i see the projectile, hit and bounce off, just no script event gets fired, cuteulala was saying she has the same problem
2015-05-20 23:05 <AliciaRaven> if i fire it inside a room, it bounces round sometimes and then fires the event
2015-05-20 23:05 <dahlia> I remember trying to use collision detects in SL, often the bullet had recocheted and moved quite a bit by the time the event fired
2015-05-20 23:06 <dahlia> was pretty much unusable
2015-05-20 23:06 <AliciaRaven> i think thats what is happening here
2015-05-20 23:07 <AliciaRaven> its not checking each frame, so its missing the collision
2015-05-20 23:08 <AliciaRaven> makes weapon systems very frustrating to develop :(
2015-05-20 23:09 <nebadon> i remember someone saying something about bullets needed to be really long or something
2015-05-20 23:09 <nebadon> brb afk
2015-05-20 23:10 <AliciaRaven> ill give it a try, using balls at the moment
2015-05-20 23:19 <AllenKerensky> in SL long ago - a bullet worked much better as a 2m+ length "spear"
2015-05-20 23:19 <AllenKerensky> not sure how that sort of thing would work under Bullet
2015-05-20 23:20 <AliciaRaven> i just tried that, poked my eye out and blewup in my face, need some tweeks i think lol
2015-05-20 23:22 <AllenKerensky> yeah it was 2m+ on the +X axis IIRC
2015-05-20 23:22 <AllenKerensky> and you had to do the llRezObject > 1m from the barrel end so it didn't fizzle
2015-05-20 23:23 <Plugh> dahlia: true but it is grayed out.
2015-05-20 23:23 <AllenKerensky> one thing I notice using 0.025cm spheres is that they bounce a lot without generating collision events to what they hit
2015-05-20 23:24 <AllenKerensky> so any bullets need to have die on sim edge, temp rez, and probably an llDie into an infinite loop in order to fully clean up
2015-05-20 23:24 <AliciaRaven> problem with large stuff is its harder to miss, less of a challenge
2015-05-20 23:25 <AllenKerensky> talk to vegaslon about using llRayCast
2015-05-20 23:25 <AliciaRaven> were using particle effects with visible projectiles so we need it to be a prim
2015-05-20 23:26 <AllenKerensky> ah okay
2015-05-20 23:26 <AllenKerensky> can keep score on hits with llRayCast and just let the bullet do its thing ricochet or not
2015-05-20 23:26 <Plugh> I've also seen issues with a snowball launcher not working well. The snowball would bounce off the object it hits the move off somewhere before it registered that it hit anything.
2015-05-20 23:28 <AliciaRaven> i think this long prim thing will work, just have to change the particle effect etc, didnt think scaling up a prim would change the particle system but it does
2015-05-20 23:34 <nebadon> ya bulletsim will not handle events on micro prims likely
2015-05-20 23:37 <dahlia> it's my understanding that bullet can collide test a moving object along the entire path it travelled between physics frames, but I'm not sure if BulletSim makes use of that feature, or how well it works
2015-05-20 23:39 <AliciaRaven> the movement is more jerky now, and slower, need to fire with more force but atleased its registering the hits better
2015-05-20 23:40 <nebadon> maybe adjust the density?
2015-05-20 23:41 <dahlia> somehow I don't think density has anything to do with collisions
2015-05-20 23:41 <nebadon> well if its lighter
2015-05-20 23:41 <nebadon> it might make a larger prim behave more like a smaller prim
2015-05-20 23:41 <dahlia> collisions usually compare geometry, not other physical properties
2015-05-20 23:41 <nebadon> i meant for velocity
2015-05-20 23:41 <nebadon> not collision
2015-05-20 23:42 <dahlia> oh
2015-05-20 23:42 <dahlia> isnt there a llSetMass()?
2015-05-20 23:42 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-20 23:43 <AliciaRaven> better to just increase the force than add extra params tho
2015-05-20 23:43 <dahlia> F=MA
2015-05-20 23:44 <AliciaRaven> yea but for code complexity
2015-05-20 23:45 <dahlia> my point is that you can adjust either mass or acceleration
2015-05-20 23:46 <dahlia> (to affect force)
2015-05-20 23:46 <dahlia> I wonder how well bullet models a spear, like a real spear would be heavier at the tip and loghter along the shaft
2015-05-20 23:47 <dahlia> *lighter
2015-05-20 23:47 <nebadon> probably center of mass
2015-05-20 23:47 <nebadon> probably not completely convincing
2015-05-20 23:47 <nebadon> you could probably fake it out though
2015-05-20 23:48 <nebadon> by making the shaft have no physics
2015-05-20 23:48 <nebadon> and have a large sphere on one end
2015-05-20 23:48 <dahlia> could probably affect center of mass by using multiple prims? 
2015-05-20 23:48 <nebadon> and small sphere on other end
2015-05-20 23:48 <nebadon> have the actual sphere not have any physics
2015-05-20 23:48 <dahlia> or make shaft hollow
2015-05-20 23:48 <nebadon> spear*
2015-05-20 23:48 <nebadon> thats how i make my racers
2015-05-20 23:48 <dahlia> or very thin
2015-05-20 23:48 <nebadon> the car is actually set to no physics
2015-05-20 23:48 <nebadon> and the vehicle is actually just 4 spheres and a cube
2015-05-20 23:49 <AliciaRaven> would be good to make a jeep with a harpoon gun on the back and drive it up to the next dev meeting :)
2015-05-20 23:49 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-20 23:49 <nebadon> hippo launcher
2015-05-20 23:49 <dahlia> maybe be need lolhippos
2015-05-20 23:49 <nebadon> self replicating hippo gun
2015-05-20 23:49 <dahlia> that self-replicate and emit particle spam
2015-05-20 23:50 <AliciaRaven> lol if u was gonna launch animals id go with a large porcupine fired butt first
2015-05-20 23:50 <AllenKerensky> and sound a text from followers
2015-05-20 23:50 <nebadon> the most annoying thing i ever experienced in SL was the be swarms
2015-05-20 23:50 <nebadon> or the sphere snakes
2015-05-20 23:50 <nebadon> that push you around
2015-05-20 23:50 <nebadon> bee swarms*
2015-05-20 23:51 <AliciaRaven> bee swarms, particles following u?
2015-05-20 23:51 <nebadon> hehe ya
2015-05-20 23:51 <nebadon> but they physically push you too
2015-05-20 23:51 <AliciaRaven> lol
2015-05-20 23:51 <nebadon> I had some griefer hud you could buy
2015-05-20 23:51 <nebadon> had all kinds of annoying stuff
2015-05-20 23:51 <nebadon> cages
2015-05-20 23:52 <nebadon> the sphere snake was the worst
2015-05-20 23:52 <AliciaRaven> what did that do?
2015-05-20 23:53 <nebadon> it rezzed big sphere right next to you
2015-05-20 23:53 <nebadon> like every second
2015-05-20 23:53 <nebadon> and keeps pushing you all over the place leaving a huge trail of spheres
2015-05-20 23:53 <nebadon> looked like a snake
2015-05-20 23:54 <nebadon> surprised i cant find a video of it on youtube
2015-05-20 23:54 <AliciaRaven> lol
2015-05-20 23:54 <AliciaRaven> that would be annoying
2015-05-20 23:55 <nebadon> ya the more you tryed to escape the worse it got
2015-05-20 23:55 <nebadon> cause eventually it there would just be spheres everywhere
2015-05-20 23:55 <dahlia> I used to get greifer attacks near my store in SL a lot, mostly it was those cubes with the afro guy particles
2015-05-20 23:55 <nebadon> there was an awesome tidal wave one too
2015-05-20 23:55 <AllenKerensky> or the marios
2015-05-20 23:56 <nebadon> huge wave would come crashing over the entire sim
2015-05-20 23:56 <dahlia> but I was never sure if they were after me or a neighbor because it was always near my store and not at it
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2015-05-21 01:47 <Trinity93> i once made a fleet of vogon constructors appear over the london sims on sl
2015-05-21 01:47 <AllenKerensky> On Oct 30 I tend to celebrate Martian Invader Day by rezzing martian tripods of all types in various places...
2015-05-21 01:48 <Plugh> Trinity93: :D
2015-05-21 02:19 <OtakuMegane_> I made a "hellcube" once to use on noobs and griefers. It would ram into you, make a loud explosion and push you. Ended up being quite effective short of using an npv or very good anchor script.
2015-05-21 02:19 <OtakuMegane_> People would come into weapons testing to try outwith their big shiny HUDs and spend the rest of their time 
2015-05-21 02:19 <OtakuMegane_> being pushed all over the sim
2015-05-21 02:25 <dahlia> I would just rez a cube and sit on it
2015-05-21 02:25 <dahlia> never failed :)
2015-05-21 02:25 <dahlia> well, unless someone managed to crash the sim
2015-05-21 02:26 <dahlia> speaking of that, does "Crash Me" still exist?
2015-05-21 02:28 <OtakuMegane_> The problem was, in weapons testing sitting would keep you from being pushed but a lot of other annoying stuff could still be done. It was fun to mess with the idiots anyway.
2015-05-21 02:28 <OtakuMegane_> Not sure if it's still around
2015-05-21 02:29 <dahlia> ya but you could turn off particles and sound
2015-05-21 02:30 <OtakuMegane_> Then they bring out the lag prims or something else. XD
2015-05-21 02:32 <OtakuMegane_> Not finding Crash Me on the SL map so it may be gone now
2015-05-21 02:58 <dahlia> how about the cornfield?
2015-05-21 02:58 <dahlia> it was open for a while
2015-05-21 03:07 <Trinity93> there are plenty of empty mainland sims with nothing on them and full rez privs
2015-05-21 03:11 <OtakuMegane_> Looks like the corn field is still there. Dunno if it's open or not these days
2015-05-21 05:19 <nebadon> hmm I finally got around to updating to master git 
2015-05-21 05:19 <nebadon> something seems very wrong with that last llCastRay patch
2015-05-21 05:19 <nebadon> my simulator is using 700$ cpu
2015-05-21 05:19 <nebadon> 700%
2015-05-21 05:19 <nebadon> its definitely my llCastRay test rig
2015-05-21 05:21 <nebadon> it seems to fail to get through the center of a torus now
2015-05-21 05:23 <nebadon> ya this latest v3 patch is terrible
2015-05-21 05:39 <osmantis> Bug #7582:04 llCastRay v3 very poor performance (High CPU) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7582 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-21 05:40 <nebadon> dahlia i attached an IAR with my llCastRay rig if you are interested
2015-05-21 05:40 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7582
2015-05-21 05:40 <nebadon> v3 seems very borked
2015-05-21 05:46 <dahlia> nebadon: that's why I wanted it disabled by default
2015-05-21 05:47 <dahlia> should probably attach that mantis to the one Magnuz submitted so he sees it
2015-05-21 05:47 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-21 05:47 <nebadon> the original one is closed
2015-05-21 05:47 <nebadon> I can probably still associate it though
2015-05-21 05:48 <nebadon> v2 was like 100 times faster
2015-05-21 05:48 <dahlia> I think it still emails even if closed
2015-05-21 05:48 <nebadon> that patch should probably be reverted
2015-05-21 05:48 <dahlia> theres a new patch on there somewhere
2015-05-21 05:48 <nebadon> ya its for caching I think
2015-05-21 05:48 <nebadon> i didnt test it
2015-05-21 05:48 <nebadon> maybe I shold
2015-05-21 05:48 <dahlia> ya could you?
2015-05-21 05:49 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-21 05:49 <dahlia> ty
2015-05-21 05:49 <nebadon> let me post a screenshot of top
2015-05-21 05:49 <nebadon> and then associate them first
2015-05-21 05:50 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/file_download.php?file_id=4214&type=bug
2015-05-21 05:51 <osmantis> Bug #7582:04 llCastRay v3 very poor performance (High CPU) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7582 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007546.
2015-05-21 05:51 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007582.
2015-05-21 05:52 <nebadon> its not even a matter of just High CPU though either dahlia
2015-05-21 05:52 <nebadon> the rayast fails to penetrate a torus and tube hole
2015-05-21 05:52 <nebadon> even if its huge
2015-05-21 05:53 <nebadon> with v2 it didnt
2015-05-21 05:53 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/llCastRay_High_CPU1.png
2015-05-21 05:54 <dahlia> was the cpu normal before you started the test script?
2015-05-21 05:55 <nebadon> like 20-30%
2015-05-21 05:55 <nebadon> it was running before i upgraded
2015-05-21 05:55 <nebadon> as soon as I upgraded to master git
2015-05-21 05:55 <nebadon> first thing I noticed was the machine was very loud
2015-05-21 05:55 <nebadon> fan sounded unusually loud
2015-05-21 05:55 <nebadon> so i checked top to see what was up
2015-05-21 05:55 <nebadon> thats when i noticed the super high cpu
2015-05-21 05:56 <dahlia> ya but maybe it was something besides llCastRay?
2015-05-21 05:56 <nebadon> no
2015-05-21 05:56 <nebadon> as soon as I stop the scripts
2015-05-21 05:56 <nebadon> cpu falls to like 5%
2015-05-21 05:56 <nebadon> no doubt about it, its castray
2015-05-21 05:56 <nebadon> its also failing
2015-05-21 05:57 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/llCastRay_High_CPU2.png
2015-05-21 05:57 <nebadon> see here
2015-05-21 05:57 <dahlia> kk well I don't object if you want to revert v3, but I'd say let magnuz reply
2015-05-21 05:57 <nebadon> yea no rush
2015-05-21 05:57 <dahlia> or try the new patch
2015-05-21 05:57 <nebadon> Id like to see if anyone else has same high cpu with my rig
2015-05-21 05:57 <nebadon> yes thats next too
2015-05-21 05:57 <nebadon> can you try my IAR?
2015-05-21 05:57 <nebadon> its attached to that mantis
2015-05-21 05:57 <dahlia> hmmm
2015-05-21 05:58 <osmantis> Bug #7582:04 llCastRay v3 very poor performance (High CPU) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7582 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-21 05:59 <nebadon> trying throttle patch first
2015-05-21 06:01 <dahlia> let me finish robust backup first
2015-05-21 06:02 <nebadon> yea sure no rush
2015-05-21 06:02 <nebadon> I should have known better than to update simulator at 1:30am
2015-05-21 06:02 <nebadon> lol
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2015-05-21 06:02 <nebadon> 
ACTION hi-5's mr murphy

2015-05-21 06:02 <dahlia> only 11 pm here :)
2015-05-21 06:03 <nebadon> throttle does nada
2015-05-21 06:04 <dahlia> throttle?
2015-05-21 06:04 <nebadon> ya the throttle patch
2015-05-21 06:04 <dahlia> oh didnt see that
2015-05-21 06:04 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7568
2015-05-21 06:04 <nebadon> doing other patch now
2015-05-21 06:07 <nebadon> nope
2015-05-21 06:07 <nebadon> still crazy high cpu
2015-05-21 06:07 <nebadon> let me see if the ray is still failing
2015-05-21 06:09 <osmantis> Bug #7582:04 llCastRay v3 very poor performance (High CPU) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7582 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-21 06:09 <nebadon> yep still fails in world as well
2015-05-21 06:09 <nebadon> going to revert simulator to make sure
2015-05-21 06:10 <dahlia> I'd suggest just noting it with your test rig so magnuz can fix
2015-05-21 06:10 <dahlia> rather than reverting
2015-05-21 06:11 <nebadon> what you mean?
2015-05-21 06:11 <dahlia> on the mantis
2015-05-21 06:11 <nebadon> oh I can put it back
2015-05-21 06:11 <nebadon> im just chaning a symlink
2015-05-21 06:11 <dahlia> oh I meant dont revert the patch in core
2015-05-21 06:11 <nebadon> oh ya
2015-05-21 06:11 <nebadon> i wasnt going to do that tonight
2015-05-21 06:12 <nebadon> thats just asking for more icing on my 3 layer disaster cake
2015-05-21 06:12 <dahlia> hmm?
2015-05-21 06:12 <nebadon> hehe
2015-05-21 06:12 <nebadon> its too late I just dont want to make things worse than it already is
2015-05-21 06:12 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-21 06:12 <dahlia> oh 
2015-05-21 06:12 <dahlia> lol
2015-05-21 06:13 <dahlia> pull a justin... say that people need to hang around on IRC after a patch goes in, then make a bunch of commits and turn off the computer for the weekend
2015-05-21 06:14 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-21 06:14 <nebadon> ok reverted simulator
2015-05-21 06:14 <nebadon> cpu is higher than i remember
2015-05-21 06:14 <nebadon> but its not 700%
2015-05-21 06:14 <nebadon> its 120%
2015-05-21 06:14 <nebadon> no doubt this rig i made is nastay
2015-05-21 06:14 <dahlia> could just disable llCastRay
2015-05-21 06:14 <nebadon> oh yea i dont mind
2015-05-21 06:14 <nebadon> this thing has been running for weeks
2015-05-21 06:14 <nebadon> i guess i just never noticed cpu was over 100%
2015-05-21 06:15 <dahlia> weeks? patch isnt that old
2015-05-21 06:15 <nebadon> it wasnt until it hit 700% and the fan was buzzing like crazy
2015-05-21 06:15 <nebadon> I was testing for v2
2015-05-21 06:15 <nebadon> this rig was there for a while now
2015-05-21 06:15 <nebadon> i tested his for a bit before it went into core
2015-05-21 06:15 <nebadon> I never got around to v3 until tonight though
2015-05-21 06:16 <nebadon> he posted v2 patch on the 3rd
2015-05-21 06:16 <nebadon> so its been there since then
2015-05-21 06:17 <dahlia> OMG I feel so old.. :(  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEGaljlPL8c
2015-05-21 06:18 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-21 06:18 <dahlia> 
ACTION was in high school at the time

2015-05-21 06:18 <nebadon> I dont even know who this was
2015-05-21 06:18 <nebadon> i was -2 in 73
2015-05-21 06:18 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-21 06:18 <dahlia> brat :P
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2015-05-21 06:22 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmf5RQTGyNg
2015-05-21 06:27 <dahlia> cant say I remember hearing that before
2015-05-21 06:27 <nebadon> :)
2015-05-21 06:27 <nebadon> its not that old
2015-05-21 06:27 <nebadon> 1999
2015-05-21 06:27 <nebadon> sounds very old heh
2015-05-21 06:28 <nebadon> one of those songs that stays in your head for months
2015-05-21 06:28 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-21 06:28 <dahlia> ya font on the album cover looks 60's-ish
2015-05-21 06:28 <nebadon> i heard it in SL long time ago
2015-05-21 06:28 <nebadon> and didnt know the name
2015-05-21 06:28 <nebadon> it literally took me 8 years to find it again
2015-05-21 06:30 <dahlia> somehow I dont think I'll obsess on it as much as you did ;)
2015-05-21 06:30 <nebadon> hehe
2015-05-21 06:31 <dahlia> but I've had this one on my head much of the day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O9a7M2F5s8
2015-05-21 06:32 <dahlia> *in my head
2015-05-21 06:32 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-21 06:34 <dahlia> hippos! :D  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrOWDPkYyP0
2015-05-21 06:35 <nebadon> hehe
2015-05-21 06:36 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjK-q7ZTYgU :)
2015-05-21 06:37 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4
2015-05-21 06:37 <nebadon> haha
2015-05-21 06:37 <dahlia> lol tiny tim
2015-05-21 06:38 <dahlia> hippos! :D https://vimeo.com/2123232
2015-05-21 06:42 <Plugh> That was 6 years ago. Was that a prim based hippo?
2015-05-21 06:43 <dahlia> it was, kinda modified a bit
2015-05-21 06:43 <dahlia> same hippo that is in wright plaza
2015-05-21 06:43 <nebadon> hehe
2015-05-21 06:43 <nebadon> that was my recreation of the hippo from the opensl logo
2015-05-21 06:44 <nebadon> wow i can even find it on google image search
2015-05-21 06:44 <nebadon> ah found it
2015-05-21 06:44 <nebadon> http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/_media/opensl.png
2015-05-21 06:44 <dahlia> the hippo?
2015-05-21 06:44 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-21 06:45 <nebadon> ya i created that hippo based on that logo
2015-05-21 06:45 <dahlia> ah ok
2015-05-21 06:46 <dahlia> think I left the open source logo off on the dancing one
2015-05-21 06:47 <dahlia> Idealist had a lot of potential, you could take animated objects from 3ds max and animate them in a region
2015-05-21 06:47 <dahlia> too bad it died
2015-05-21 06:48 <dahlia> was long before SL had mesh
2015-05-21 06:48 <nebadon> Ive been thinking about making a 3d object scanner box
2015-05-21 06:48 <dahlia> a point cloud thingie?
2015-05-21 06:49 <nebadon> for doing photogrammetry
2015-05-21 06:49 <nebadon> yea or maybe that too
2015-05-21 06:49 <dahlia> photogrammetry?
2015-05-21 06:49 <nebadon> eventually get kinect or something
2015-05-21 06:49 <nebadon> ya
2015-05-21 06:49 <nebadon> you take like 30 pictures all the way around an object
2015-05-21 06:49 <nebadon> i was thinking about making like a wood box, paint it white
2015-05-21 06:49 <nebadon> with like a lazy susan with markers
2015-05-21 06:49 <nebadon> and a holder for my phone to take pictures
2015-05-21 06:50 <nebadon> then just spin the object around to each marker and take a photo
2015-05-21 06:50 <dahlia> yeah I was playing with this thing called "structure from motion" a couple years ago but it didnt work very well
2015-05-21 06:50 <nebadon> http://www.123dapp.com/catch
2015-05-21 06:50 <nebadon> this works well
2015-05-21 06:50 <nebadon> but you really a lot of space to do it
2015-05-21 06:51 <nebadon> i was thinking of making this box with like a lazy susan bottom
2015-05-21 06:51 <nebadon> with like markers so i can spin it for each angle
2015-05-21 06:51 <dahlia> supposedly all you need is a bunch of pictures from different angles, dont need a rig for it
2015-05-21 06:51 <nebadon> yea I am looking for something i can do with really steady shots
2015-05-21 06:51 <nebadon> and consistant
2015-05-21 06:52 <dahlia> in fact I'd think it would work better from random angles and distances
2015-05-21 06:52 <nebadon> perfect lighting etc..
2015-05-21 06:52 <nebadon> not according to the app
2015-05-21 06:52 <dahlia> interesting
2015-05-21 06:52 <nebadon> there is 2 angles a high and a low
2015-05-21 06:52 <nebadon> and it needs like 30 pictures
2015-05-21 06:52 <nebadon> its basically like a clock around it
2015-05-21 06:52 <dahlia> why not just get a scanner
2015-05-21 06:53 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TfXXJxDsXw
2015-05-21 06:53 <nebadon> well I already have a super high rez camera on my phone
2015-05-21 06:53 <dahlia> or one of those new intel phones when they come out
2015-05-21 06:53 <nebadon> building a box with lazy susan would cost like 30$
2015-05-21 06:53 <dahlia> with the 3d camera
2015-05-21 06:53 <nebadon> yea that would be cool
2015-05-21 06:53 <nebadon> there is this thing too
2015-05-21 06:53 <nebadon> 1sec
2015-05-21 06:54 <dahlia> I also tried mkdeling my avatar by taking a bunch of screenshots
2015-05-21 06:54 <dahlia> which kinda worked
2015-05-21 06:54 <dahlia> you could simulate your lazy susan thingie that way
2015-05-21 06:55 <nebadon> http://structure.io/
2015-05-21 06:58 <dahlia> ya I suspect there will be lots of devices like that flooding the market pretty soon
2015-05-21 06:58 <nebadon> ya only thing that sucks about that one
2015-05-21 06:58 <nebadon> its mostly for the ipad
2015-05-21 06:59 <dahlia> ipads are pretty nice
2015-05-21 06:59 <dahlia> just pricey
2015-05-21 07:00 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsBg-m2hrIM
2015-05-21 07:02 <dahlia> http://ccwu.me/vsfm/
2015-05-21 07:02 <dahlia> thats the thingie I was using
2015-05-21 07:03 <nebadon> ya that looks pretty complicated
2015-05-21 07:04 <dahlia> not really
2015-05-21 07:04 <dahlia> just crude
2015-05-21 07:05 <dahlia> voxels would probably be a good way to deal with a lot of point cloud data
2015-05-21 07:05 <Plugh> I was planning to experiment with the structured light approach to 3D scanning.
2015-05-21 07:05 <dahlia> not sure Ive heard of that one
2015-05-21 07:06 <Plugh> A projector and web cam is all you need, along with a bit of software.
2015-05-21 07:06 <Plugh> http://www.instructables.com/id/Structured-Light-3D-Scanning/
2015-05-21 07:07 <dahlia> interesting
2015-05-21 07:07 <Plugh> Taking a bunch of pictures sounds like a nice way to go. I could take the pictures with my digital SLR camera. It's resolution may yield decent models.
2015-05-21 07:07 <dahlia> so it varies the focal distance of a projected image?
2015-05-21 07:08 <dahlia> well that visualsfm thingie is open source and free :)
2015-05-21 07:08 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qF_qbaWt3Q
2015-05-21 07:09 <dahlia> nice
2015-05-21 07:10 <nebadon> they use banks
2015-05-21 07:10 <nebadon> like the matrix cameras
2015-05-21 07:10 <nebadon> but with kinect cameras
2015-05-21 07:12 <Plugh> dahlia: That link I provided was for a handheld light source. This link is the better approach -> http://www.instructables.com/id/Structured-Light-3D-Scanning/step4/Projector-Camera-Configuration/
2015-05-21 07:13 <Plugh> http://fab.cba.mit.edu/content/processes/structured_light/
2015-05-21 07:13 <dahlia> clever
2015-05-21 07:14 <Plugh> I have a small pocket projector but I haven't been able to create a video I could play on it to generate the light source needed.
2015-05-21 07:14 <Plugh> That VisualSFM thing could be worth trying.
2015-05-21 07:15 <Plugh> I also have a Kinect but I'm not sure if it would provide the same resolution.
2015-05-21 07:15 <nebadon> another thing that is awesome is projection mapping
2015-05-21 07:16 <nebadon> that would be a fun job to have
2015-05-21 07:16 <nebadon> hehe
2015-05-21 07:16 <Plugh> projection mapping?
2015-05-21 07:17 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1F0kt3AidE
2015-05-21 07:17 <nebadon> projecting 3d onto physical objects
2015-05-21 07:17 <nebadon> its awesome
2015-05-21 07:17 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrgWH1KUDt4
2015-05-21 07:18 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XACqFBD24Sg
2015-05-21 07:21 <Plugh> cool
2015-05-21 07:22 <dahlia> anyone have any good animations? I'm trying to test my new animation shader
2015-05-21 07:23 <nebadon> hmm i have some dances
2015-05-21 07:23 <nebadon> osgrid?
2015-05-21 07:23 <dahlia> can tp over
2015-05-21 07:23 <nebadon> i could just make an IAR of my whole animation folder
2015-05-21 07:24 <nebadon> might be easier
2015-05-21 07:24 <nebadon> 1 sec
2015-05-21 07:24 <nebadon> i have a few 100
2015-05-21 07:24 <Plugh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLFonu92Wn4
2015-05-21 07:25 <nebadon> hah ya this is what i was thinking of doing
2015-05-21 07:25 <nebadon> nice though
2015-05-21 07:25 <nebadon> good find this is exactly what I am talking about
2015-05-21 07:27 <dahlia> nebadon: just stick them in a prim and I tp over
2015-05-21 07:27 <nebadon> there are so many
2015-05-21 07:27 <dahlia> oh
2015-05-21 07:28 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/iars/osgrid_animations_2015.iar
2015-05-21 07:28 <nebadon> 652 items the oar said
2015-05-21 07:29 <nebadon> iar*
2015-05-21 07:29 <nebadon> probably a bunch of dupes in there
2015-05-21 07:29 <nebadon> I wish i had more good sit poses
2015-05-21 07:30 <dahlia> tyvm
2015-05-21 07:30 <nebadon> np
2015-05-21 07:33 <nebadon> damn its almost 4am
2015-05-21 07:33 <nebadon> i need to sleep
2015-05-21 07:33 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-21 07:33 <Plugh> yup
2015-05-21 07:34 <dahlia> lol
2015-05-21 07:34 <dahlia> nn
2015-05-21 07:34 <Plugh> and I'm wanting to finish seeing the Ben Heck video before I pack it in.
2015-05-21 07:34 <dahlia> just after midnight here, early :)
2015-05-21 07:34 <nebadon> yea i fav'd it thanks 
2015-05-21 07:34 <Plugh> yw
2015-05-21 07:34 <Plugh> I'll have to take a closer look at those other links tomorrow.
2015-05-21 07:38 <dahlia> hmmm loaded iar but dont see them
2015-05-21 07:40 <Plugh> eek... $399 for the cubify sense scanner device
2015-05-21 07:40 <Plugh> Time for me to call it a night. 
2015-05-21 07:40 <Plugh> ttyl
2015-05-21 07:41 <dahlia> nn
2015-05-21 15:20 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-21 15:50 <osmantis> Bug #7564:04 Inventory download hangs temporarily or permanently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7564 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-21 16:15 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-21 16:50 <VelusUniverseSys> diva you about?
2015-05-21 17:55 <osmantis> Bug #7583:04 Avatars result arrested after that they attempt to cross into no-exitant region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7583 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-21 18:30 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-21 18:34 <osmantis> Bug #7564:04 Inventory download hangs temporarily or permanently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7564 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-21 18:41 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-21 19:36 <osmantis> Bug #7584:04 on first run with Postgresql, folder "assetcache" not created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7584 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-21 19:46 <VelusUniverseSys> diva, you about? 
2015-05-21 19:46 <VelusUniverseSys> or does anyone know what the licence is on the diva wifi? is it gpl?
2015-05-21 19:48 <LiruCookies> diva: ping
2015-05-21 19:50 <LiruCookies> VelusUniverseSys: D2 is BSD, and Wifi is part of that, so I'd assume BSD.
2015-05-21 19:50 <VelusUniverseSys> ok
2015-05-21 19:54 <osmantis> Bug #7584:04 on first run with Postgresql, folder "assetcache" not created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7584 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-21 21:27 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-05-22 02:55 <osmantis> Bug #7582:04 llCastRay v3 very poor performance (High CPU) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7582 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-22 03:21 <osmantis> Bug #7582:04 llCastRay v3 very poor performance (High CPU) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7582 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-22 03:21 <osmantis> Bug #7582:04 llCastRay v3 very poor performance (High CPU) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7582 ): has been CLOSED
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2015-05-22 05:28 <osmantis> Bug #7568:04 llCastRay V3 needs throttling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7568 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-22 05:28 <osmantis> Bug #7568:04 llCastRay V3 needs throttling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7568 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007582.
2015-05-22 05:28 <osmantis> Bug #7582:04 llCastRay v3 very poor performance (High CPU) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7582 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007568.
2015-05-22 05:31 <osmantis> Bug #7568:04 llCastRay V3 needs throttling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7568 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-22 05:48 <osmantis> Bug #7568:04 llCastRay V3 needs throttling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7568 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-22 05:48 <osmantis> Bug #7568:04 llCastRay V3 needs throttling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7568 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-22 05:49 <osmantis> Bug #7575:04 llCastRay V3 performance improved by mesh caching 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7575 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-22 05:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #4189 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-22 05:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4189: SUCCESS in 9 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4189/
2015-05-22 05:55 <osjenkins> * nebadon2025: Throttle llCastRay V3.
2015-05-22 05:55 <osjenkins> * nebadon2025: Use own mesh cache in llCastRay V3 after throttling.
2015-05-22 05:55 <osjenkins> * nebadon2025: fix permmission issue on OpenSimDefaults.ini
2015-05-22 06:14 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-22 07:45 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-22 10:11 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-22 14:08 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-22 18:30 <VelusUniverseSys> i have a few questions? how do you hash and salt the user auth in the table? and also can you tell me what the webloginkey is for?
2015-05-22 18:31 <VelusUniverseSys> also what is the user levels? i know 250+ is admin but what else?
2015-05-22 18:42 <VelusUniverseSys> ok i think the hashing is md5(md5($password.':'.$passwordsalt)) so i need to now figgure out how to create the salt
2015-05-22 18:50 <mheilman> I dont know the password hashing, as I use SimianGrid instead of robust.  But user level 50 is for group creation.  You can find it defined in the ini files.
2015-05-22 18:54 <VelusUniverseSys> ok
2015-05-22 18:54 <VelusUniverseSys> do you use simian grid for your webui aswell?
2015-05-22 19:00 <AliciaRaven> group creation defaults to user level 0 with opensim, level 50 must be for simian
2015-05-22 19:30 <mheilman> VelusUniverseSys no, it was inadequate for my grids needs.  We wrote our own
2015-05-22 19:31 <mheilman> I may also be dragging along older config files, I've been running the MOSES grid for 3-4 years now
2015-05-22 19:32 <osmantis> Bug #7584:04 on first run with Postgresql, folder "assetcache" not created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7584 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-22 19:35 <osmantis> Bug #7584:04 on first run with Postgresql, folder "assetcache" not created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7584 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-22 19:40 <VelusUniverseSys> nice im writing a opensource one as we spoeak
2015-05-22 19:41 <VelusUniverseSys> mheilman, what did you use to create users? im wondering cos im wondering if i should mysql/sqllite/pgsql it or use command console?
2015-05-22 19:41 <VelusUniverseSys> i want it so it will create a user profile aswell.
2015-05-22 19:42 <VelusUniverseSys> and maybe have a avatar selector?
2015-05-22 19:44 <mheilman> Excellent, I open sourced mine as well, but its a little different.  I am currently re-writing it.  You can peek at github.com/m-o-s-e-s/, and what my grid is used for at militarymetaverse.org
2015-05-22 19:45 <mheilman> Unlike Robust and Wifi, Simian's front-end is separate and uses ordinary curl to affect changes, so I was able to implement my own very easily
2015-05-22 19:45 <mheilman> Wifi is a compiled Robust plugin (I believe) but it runs attached to the same process
2015-05-22 19:48 <osmantis> Bug #7584:04 on first run with Postgresql, folder "assetcache" not created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7584 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-22 19:48 <mheilman> I had a large avatar selection page put together for the FCVW conference, with 4-6 maile and female avatars to select from, with head and body shots, but I think its lost now tha tthe conference grid has been taken down
2015-05-22 19:49 <VelusUniverseSys> yeah it is a little to much
2015-05-22 19:50 <osmantis> Bug #7584:04 on first run with Postgresql, folder "assetcache" not created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7584 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-22 19:52 <mheilman> between users expectations and feature creep, it grows quickly
2015-05-22 20:00 <VelusUniverseSys> yeah i know lol
2015-05-22 20:22 <osmantis> Bug #7584:04 on first run with Postgresql, folder "assetcache" not created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7584 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-22 20:28 <osmantis> Bug #7584:04 on first run with Postgresql, folder "assetcache" not created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7584 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-22 20:37 <osmantis> Bug #7584:04 on first run with Postgresql, folder "assetcache" not created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7584 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-22 20:41 <osmantis> Bug #7585:04 Last Location Doesnt Work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7585 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-22 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #7586:04 Avatar Remains A Cloud On Relog No Matter What 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7586 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-22 21:32 <osmantis> Bug #7568:04 llCastRay V3 needs throttling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7568 ): has been CLOSED
2015-05-22 21:34 <osmantis> Bug #7575:04 llCastRay V3 performance improved by mesh caching 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7575 ): has been CLOSED
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2015-05-23 12:16 <osmantis> Bug #7587:04 llCastRay V3 suffers mesh cache race condition 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7587 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-23 12:17 <osmantis> Bug #7587:04 llCastRay V3 suffers mesh cache race condition 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7587 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-05-23 12:18 <osmantis> Bug #7587:04 llCastRay V3 suffers mesh cache race condition 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7587 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-05-23 12:20 <osmantis> Bug #7587:04 llCastRay V3 suffers mesh cache race condition 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7587 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007546.
2015-05-23 12:20 <osmantis> Bug #7546:04 llCastRay only partly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7546 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007587.
2015-05-23 12:20 <osmantis> Bug #7587:04 llCastRay V3 suffers mesh cache race condition 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7587 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007575.
2015-05-23 12:20 <osmantis> Bug #7575:04 llCastRay V3 performance improved by mesh caching 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7575 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007587.
2015-05-23 12:38 <osmantis> Bug #7587:04 llCastRay V3 suffers mesh cache race condition 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7587 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-23 12:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #4190 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-23 12:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4190: SUCCESS in 9 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4190/
2015-05-23 12:47 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: Fix mesh cache race condition in llCastRay V3.
2015-05-23 14:20 <osmantis> Bug #7587:04 llCastRay V3 suffers mesh cache race condition 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7587 ): has been CLOSED
2015-05-23 22:58 <Melanie_T> Talun: ping
2015-05-23 23:01 <Talun> hi
2015-05-23 23:01 <Melanie_T> hi. just got your email
2015-05-23 23:01 <Melanie_T> you're treading on shaky ground 
2015-05-23 23:02 <Talun> is it ok? i would of course aknowledge the source of the original code
2015-05-23 23:02 <Melanie_T> from inception it was aurora's intention to be a "hostile" fork and it was stated by the head guy there that he would aim "to diverge so far so fast that opensim can never use his code"
2015-05-23 23:02 <Melanie_T> so i would expect Revolution to say "no"
2015-05-23 23:02 <Talun> the ones i was looking at are the Json functions
2015-05-23 23:02 <Talun> ahh, OK, I do it myself
2015-05-23 23:03 <Melanie_T> the LL compatible ones?
2015-05-23 23:03 <Talun> yes
2015-05-23 23:03 <Melanie_T> read the license on the file
2015-05-23 23:03 <Melanie_T> if it's the same license as we use, then you can take the code
2015-05-23 23:03 <Talun> LSLApi?
2015-05-23 23:03 <Melanie_T> i doubt rev will be happy about it
2015-05-23 23:03 <Melanie_T> but it's legal
2015-05-23 23:04 <Talun> looks buggy anyway, was expecting to fix it
2015-05-23 23:04 <Talun> ;-)
2015-05-23 23:05 <Talun> if not i do it myself using the same open source libraries
2015-05-23 23:06 <Melanie_T> fine either way, jst watch the legalities
2015-05-23 23:06 <Melanie_T> and remember, libraries need to be compatibly licensed, too
2015-05-23 23:06 <Melanie_T> it's actually possible to put LSL commands into modules.....
2015-05-23 23:07 <Melanie_T> they don't need to be all in that huge file
2015-05-23 23:07 <Talun> ok, if i submit something i will make it clear where i got the najority if the source
2015-05-23 23:07 <Talun> one good thing about monolithic code, you know the lith to look in :)
2015-05-23 23:08 <Melanie_T> true. if you're an ape you only have one to look at anyway :P
2015-05-23 23:08 <nebadon> is there a major difference from the json abilities core opensim offers?
2015-05-23 23:08 <Melanie_T> nebadon: the core opensim json feature srely heavily on types not present in LSL
2015-05-23 23:08 <Talun> the functions dont even exisst as unimplemented
2015-05-23 23:08 <Melanie_T> he's talking about the LL compatible ones
2015-05-23 23:08 <nebadon> not having any experience with the json stuff I am truly not knowledgable about it
2015-05-23 23:09 <nebadon> ah ok
2015-05-23 23:09 <Melanie_T> a much requested feature i was looking nto writing from scratch because i didn't know aurora had it
2015-05-23 23:09 <Talun> me either butlooked like a good way for me to learn
2015-05-23 23:09 <nebadon> cool sounds good :)
2015-05-23 23:14 <Talun> the licence at the top looks identical to the OpenSim licence except for the substitution of Aurora-Sim for OpenSim
2015-05-23 23:15 <Talun> that is in the LSL_Api.cs file
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2015-05-24 00:11 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-24 01:38 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, did u see the latest post in #7519 saying the kernel 4.0.4 has stopped the random crashes?
2015-05-24 01:40 <AliciaRaven> i was wondering if anyone else has been able to confirm that
2015-05-24 01:43 <nebadon> I did see that
2015-05-24 01:43 <nebadon> let me see what kernel my Tumbleweed VM has
2015-05-24 02:10 <nebadon> looks like its only kernel 4.0.1 
2015-05-24 02:17 <AliciaRaven> so 4.0.1 is still showing the random crashes?
2015-05-24 02:17 <nebadon> yes
2015-05-24 02:17 <AliciaRaven> k
2015-05-24 02:18 <nebadon> not sure what operating system is using 4.0.4 at this point
2015-05-24 02:18 <AliciaRaven> yea i would expect its only being used by people that compile themselves
2015-05-24 02:18 <AliciaRaven> and like to live on the edge
2015-05-24 02:20 <nebadon> yea its a shame
2015-05-24 02:20 <nebadon> very likely means that all current releases of linux will never be able to use a newer mono
2015-05-24 02:20 <nebadon> LTS versions might never get the fix
2015-05-24 02:21 <AliciaRaven> if its affecting alot of mono users they would have to wouldnt they? the problem is not just with os
2015-05-24 02:22 <nebadon> there is not a lot of love in the Linux community for mono and C#
2015-05-24 02:22 <nebadon> it would surprise me if this got a lot of attention
2015-05-24 02:22 <nebadon> doing a dist upgrade on tumbleweed
2015-05-24 02:22 <nebadon> its upgrading to 4.0.3
2015-05-24 02:22 <nebadon> see what happens
2015-05-24 02:23 <AliciaRaven> thats a shame
2015-05-24 02:23 <AliciaRaven> ok
2015-05-24 02:24 <nebadon> either way I think its bad news for opensim
2015-05-24 02:24 <nebadon> it pretty much means not being able to embrace all the new mono C# stuff
2015-05-24 02:24 <nebadon> until all the mainstream releases have the ability to do it
2015-05-24 02:25 <AliciaRaven> yea, and that will take along time, jenkins is still running 2.10 waiting for them to catch up isnt it?
2015-05-24 02:25 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-24 02:25 <nebadon> it will be a while 
2015-05-24 02:26 <nebadon> the next releases may not even have that new of a kernel
2015-05-24 02:26 <nebadon> we may be waiting a couple of releases
2015-05-24 02:26 <nebadon> not good
2015-05-24 02:27 <nebadon> 4.0.4 is super bleeding edge
2015-05-24 02:28 <nebadon> generally the only things that get back ported in older kernels
2015-05-24 02:28 <nebadon> is major security flaws
2015-05-24 02:28 <nebadon> not obscure crashes like this
2015-05-24 02:28 <AliciaRaven> its a shame, im on 3.10 i think, when i update i always check what its going to install, i dont want it do update the kernel
2015-05-24 02:29 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-24 02:29 <nebadon> 3.11 is safe
2015-05-24 02:29 <AliciaRaven> i still need to find out why my stack size keeps reverting to default value
2015-05-24 02:30 <AliciaRaven> that could be why i was having problems with crashes
2015-05-24 02:31 <nebadon> what stack size are you talking about?
2015-05-24 02:32 <AliciaRaven> ulimit -s 262144
2015-05-24 02:32 <AliciaRaven> it was for an ODE problem a while back but still seems more stable when i increase it
2015-05-24 02:32 <AliciaRaven> there is a note on the wiki about it
2015-05-24 02:33 <AliciaRaven> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Configuration
2015-05-24 02:33 <AliciaRaven> towards the end of the page
2015-05-24 02:34 <AliciaRaven> ulimit -a will show the current values
2015-05-24 02:39 <nebadon> 4.0.3 looks solid
2015-05-24 02:39 <nebadon> I can not make it crash with mono 4.0.1 and kernel 4.0.3
2015-05-24 02:40 <nebadon> shit
2015-05-24 02:40 <nebadon> of course as soon as I say that it crashes 
2015-05-24 02:40 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-24 02:40 <nebadon> it seemed to do a bit better
2015-05-24 02:40 <nebadon> but it still crashed with same problem
2015-05-24 02:41 <AliciaRaven> do u think its worth trying that increased stack size to see if it helps?
2015-05-24 02:41 <nebadon> i have never set that
2015-05-24 02:41 <nebadon> i doubt it would help
2015-05-24 02:42 <AliciaRaven> it might be all in my head to be honest, but it does seem that i get alot less sigsegv errors when thats set higher
2015-05-24 02:42 <nebadon> I believe you can set that in your launch script
2015-05-24 02:42 <nebadon> if your using a shell script just set it right before you run mono
2015-05-24 02:44 <AliciaRaven> yea, would be better than keep checking if its reverted
2015-05-24 02:44 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-24 02:44 <nebadon> and then your limiting it to only opensim too
2015-05-24 02:45 <nebadon> not the entire machine
2015-05-24 02:48 <AliciaRaven> since i set mono threads per cpu to 1000, i have only had the startup crash twice, and both times that value had reverted
2015-05-24 02:50 <nebadon> the ulimit or the mono threads?
2015-05-24 02:50 <AliciaRaven> ulimit
2015-05-24 02:50 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-24 02:50 <nebadon> probably better to set it in the launch script
2015-05-24 02:50 <nebadon> I do beleive that was the recommended method for ODE
2015-05-24 02:51 <AliciaRaven> yea
2015-05-24 02:53 <AliciaRaven> is the log up for last tuesdays meeting?
2015-05-24 02:53 <AliciaRaven> i missed the start
2015-05-24 02:55 <AliciaRaven> ah found it
2015-05-24 03:03 <Trinity93> my pi install is using 4.0.4
2015-05-24 03:04 <Trinity93> heard you talking eirlier about kernal versions
2015-05-24 03:04 <Trinity93> earlier i meant
2015-05-24 03:05 <nebadon> I dont think arm is effected
2015-05-24 03:05 <nebadon> my pi is running 3.18 and doesnt crash with mono/opensim
2015-05-24 03:05 <Trinity93> 
ACTION shrugs

2015-05-24 03:07 <Trinity93> the arm distros are uselay verry hardware specific and dont have a lot of cruft
2015-05-24 03:09 <nebadon> im running Ubuntu 15.01 Mate on mine
2015-05-24 03:10 <Trinity93> im running debian wheezy
2015-05-24 03:10 <Trinity93> i did make a setup with the special fbturbo video drivers for x
2015-05-24 03:11 <Trinity93> but im no longer doing graphical stuff on it
2015-05-24 03:11 <Trinity93> so im back to a striped down version
2015-05-24 03:12 <Trinity93> im in the proccess of getting the root file system maped to the sata ssd drive i bought
2015-05-24 03:13 <Trinity93> its sad that it still has to uboot off the microsd
2015-05-24 03:14 <Trinity93> i have yet to find away to do otherwise
2015-05-24 03:14 <Trinity93> and apeently no one else has eather
2015-05-24 03:14 <Trinity93> there is some firmware present on the a20 cpu
2015-05-24 03:15 <nebadon> how else would you boot? from USB?
2015-05-24 03:15 <Trinity93> you can only boot from the microsd ard slot
2015-05-24 03:15 <Trinity93> or nand on the a20
2015-05-24 03:15 <Trinity93> but my board dosent have nand
2015-05-24 03:16 <Trinity93> nad is a on board flash
2015-05-24 03:16 <Trinity93> nand i ment
2015-05-24 03:16 <nebadon> yea you have that banana pi router?
2015-05-24 03:16 <nebadon> you cant boot from the SATA off a SSD?
2015-05-24 03:17 <Trinity93> no
2015-05-24 03:17 <Trinity93> you cant boot of the sata period
2015-05-24 03:17 <nebadon> that sucks
2015-05-24 03:17 <nebadon> why even have it lol
2015-05-24 03:17 <Trinity93> you have to boot the microsd then mount the file root file system on the ssd
2015-05-24 03:17 <nebadon> ya the raspberry pi is sdcard only
2015-05-24 03:18 <nebadon> seems fast enough though
2015-05-24 03:18 <nebadon> a good class 10 card
2015-05-24 03:18 <Trinity93> well the ssd is a lot faster
2015-05-24 03:18 <Trinity93> and more read write resistant
2015-05-24 03:19 <Trinity93> only way to get better is a plater based sata hd
2015-05-24 03:19 <Trinity93> but that wouldent be shock resistant
2015-05-24 03:20 <Trinity93> also the microsd is limited to 64gb
2015-05-24 03:20 <Trinity93> i tried a 120 in it and it wouldent even see it
2015-05-24 03:21 <Trinity93> where as the sata port you can use just about any size hd or ssd you care to buy
2015-05-24 03:22 <Trinity93> i have a 120gb ssd in it right now
2015-05-24 03:22 <nebadon> ya that is not surprising about the sd card
2015-05-24 03:23 <nebadon> pi's are hardly using the latest hardware available
2015-05-24 03:23 <Trinity93> next week im gona atempt to replace the mic with a header
2015-05-24 03:23 <Trinity93> so i can use a stadard jack
2015-05-24 03:23 <Trinity93> and a external mic
2015-05-24 03:24 <Trinity93> i need it for the radio interface
2015-05-24 03:25 <Trinity93> i also found that micron has sample avaliable for a new pin compatable ram chip
2015-05-24 03:25 <Trinity93> that would alow me to up the ram to 2 gb 
2015-05-24 03:25 <Trinity93> witch is the max the a20 supports
2015-05-24 03:55 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-24 03:56 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-05-24 13:38 <JunkHunk> hello I like making sim videos...but they get somehow laggy...indeed advanced ilumination enabled on viewers triggers that effect...I am a bit confused about system requirements I am running opensim on a 8 core processor and 8gb ram pc shouldn't these be enough resources to get hd smooth videos?
2015-05-24 13:53 <Wanderer_42> Maybe its the resolution and framerate of your recording. Maybe 8 GB is not enough memory
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2015-05-24 16:40 <Plugh> Afternoon, nebadon
2015-05-24 16:49 <nebadon> hello Plugh
2015-05-24 16:49 <nebadon> sorry was afk
2015-05-24 17:14 <Plugh> np. I was over in SL trying to find the headquarters for one of the two money tree systems I know about. I can't find any tree. The one tree HQ doesn't seem to have a tree any more. All my LM's ofr trees are out of date. oh, well. I wanted to check on something about them for reference.
2015-05-24 17:24 <Talun> Plugh I may be able to help, contact me in SL, Talun Resident
2015-05-24 17:27 <misterblue_> Talan: if you are extended LSL, look at the OpenSimulator file ExtendedPhysics.cs for an example of using the C# decorators for mod_invoke language extensions
2015-05-24 17:28 <Talun> I was looking to implement the llJson* functions
2015-05-24 17:34 <misterblue_> my pointer was another way of adding functions into XEngine... you can change the XEngine sources but there is also a plugin extension system that is demonstrated in ExtendedPhysics
2015-05-24 17:34 <misterblue_> allows easy addition of functions and constants to XEngine
2015-05-24 17:35 <misterblue_> just another pointer to potentially usable tech
2015-05-24 17:35 <Talun> ahh, i will have a good look at that
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2015-05-24 18:56 <Plugh> I keep missing people today
2015-05-24 18:56 <Plugh> Snappy tree on their website works but the downloadable version doesn't work properly on my machine.
2015-05-24 19:02 <Plugh> nebadon, any tips on using Snappy Tree to make trees that are reasonably symmetrical?
2015-05-24 19:02 <Plugh> 
ACTION is trying to make one for use in a money tree.

2015-05-24 19:03 <nebadon> just kind of need to play with the sliders
2015-05-24 19:04 <nebadon> there is a Symmetry slider
2015-05-24 19:04 <nebadon> on the Trunk tab
2015-05-24 19:05 <Plugh> yea, that's what I do. Sometimes it seems like its squashed between two walls. It winds up a bit oblong when seen from top view
2015-05-24 19:06 <nebadon> twig scale on Branching is helpful too
2015-05-24 21:18 <djphil> ping nebadon
2015-05-24 21:18 <djphil> Hello Neb. How do you find how the new llCastRay? For me, the lazer llCastRay no longer works correctly. Is that the same for yours?
2015-05-24 21:26 <djphil> Here is a video shown to the bug
2015-05-24 21:26 <djphil> http://digigrids.no-ip.org/lazerbugdemo/
2015-05-24 22:13 <nebadon> djphil you need to make sure v3 is enabled
2015-05-24 22:13 <nebadon> [LL-Functions]
2015-05-24 22:14 <nebadon>     UseLlCastRayV3 = true
2015-05-24 22:14 <nebadon> make sure you dont have v2 enabled as well
2015-05-24 22:15 <djphil> yep, UseLlCastRayV3 is TRUE at line 1510 in OpensimDefaults.ini
2015-05-24 22:16 <djphil> have you see my video demo ?
2015-05-24 22:16 <nebadon> dont think so
2015-05-24 22:16 <djphil> http://digigrids.no-ip.org/lazerbugdemo/
2015-05-24 22:17 <ldlework> What's up with this terrain after importing an *extremely* blurred heighmap, http://i.imgur.com/OGUDAK6.png
2015-05-24 22:18 <nebadon> i guess its not supposed to pulse like that djphil?
2015-05-24 22:18 <misterblue> I'd suspect the terrain compression is not built for the fuzzyness
2015-05-24 22:18 <ldlework> misterblue: what does that mean
2015-05-24 22:19 <ldlework> misterblue: I've tried all manner of smoothing, nothing creates a smooth slope. I get this lego-block stepping effect no matter what terrain I import
2015-05-24 22:19 <djphil> exact Neb
2015-05-24 22:19 <djphil> taht the original lazer script ... like LBSA
2015-05-24 22:19 <misterblue> terrain is stored as a heightmap in the simulator... when sent to the viewer, it is compressed into 16x16m 'patches'
2015-05-24 22:19 <djphil> (from adeon writer)
2015-05-24 22:20 <misterblue> the compression does have its oddnesses
2015-05-24 22:20 <nebadon> not sure it was working for me djphil
2015-05-24 22:20 <nebadon> thats the script i have been using to test with
2015-05-24 22:20 <nebadon> ive not seen it pulse like that myself
2015-05-24 22:22 <ldlework> misterblue: I don't think its just an effect of the viewer
2015-05-24 22:22 <ldlework> misterblue: I can apply the in-world smoothing to the terrain to make it better
2015-05-24 22:22 <ldlework> Maybe it doesn't make sense to only allow for 1m resolution of terrain heightmaps?
2015-05-24 22:22 <misterblue> humm.. well maybe something else
2015-05-24 22:22 <ldlework> since the terrain supports a much higher resolution of terrain
2015-05-24 22:23 <misterblue> what format are you importing in?
2015-05-24 22:23 <ldlework> png
2015-05-24 22:23 <ldlework> am I getting hurt by compression maybe
2015-05-24 22:24 <Wanderer_42> Sometimes it is impossible, to smooth terrain with viewer-tools. In SL i don't see that problem
2015-05-24 22:24 <ldlework> In this case, smoothing with the viewer-tools works fine
2015-05-24 22:24 <ldlework> it is the importing of heighmaps which gives me the stepped terrain
2015-05-24 22:25 <misterblue> there could even be bugs in the importer
2015-05-24 22:25 <ldlework> I should try without png first let me try that
2015-05-24 22:26 <djphil> nebadon : I just testing a second time, taking out the original script ... and it no longer works well as before
2015-05-24 22:29 <ldlework> Nope it happens with BMP too
2015-05-24 22:30 <ldlework> I wonder if the importer is supposed to perform some sort of smoothing after import and that is just not working or something
2015-05-24 22:31 <ldlework> the wiki claims there is a "terrain modify smooth" command
2015-05-24 22:31 <ldlework> but that doesn't exist for me
2015-05-24 22:31 <AliciaRaven> is the image size the same as the region? so it doesnt get scaled up or down to fit
2015-05-24 22:32 <ldlework> AliciaRaven: yeah I've tried the exact dimensions, double the dimensions
2015-05-24 22:32 <ldlework> It seems to read 1 pixel == 1m
2015-05-24 22:32 <ldlework> so 256x256 for a 256x256 region
2015-05-24 22:33 <ldlework> but this is obviously not high resolution enough to create smooth terrains...
2015-05-24 22:33 <dahlia> the terrain xy precision is 1 meter
2015-05-24 22:33 <ldlework> right, which seems bad?
2015-05-24 22:33 <dahlia> define "smooth"
2015-05-24 22:33 <ldlework> dahlia: like it can be after applying the in-viewer smoothing tool?
2015-05-24 22:33 <dahlia> the viewer should interpolate vertex normals of the terrain
2015-05-24 22:34 <AliciaRaven> i have seen the stepping problem, usualy its the source image not being a perfect color gradient
2015-05-24 22:34 <dahlia> the viewer maximum resolution in X and Y for the terrain is 1 meter
2015-05-24 22:34 <ldlework> AliciaRaven: I took my heighmap and gausian blurred the hell out of it
2015-05-24 22:34 <dahlia> if you need more, use a mesh
2015-05-24 22:34 <ldlework> so it was this smooth mush
2015-05-24 22:34 <ldlework> when it got in world, it was still stepped
2015-05-24 22:34 <ldlework> the overall terain was smoother
2015-05-24 22:34 <ldlework> but it still had a 'stepped' detail to it
2015-05-24 22:35 <ldlework> dahlia: it isn't the resolution of the viewer that is the problem
2015-05-24 22:35 <ldlework> after importing, I can apply the smoothing tool to the terrain to get a nice smooth terrain
2015-05-24 22:35 <ldlework> its the import
2015-05-24 22:36 <dahlia> I think if you import a raw 32 format you can get more precision in the z axis
2015-05-24 22:37 <dahlia> I think with image formats the precision is pretty bad
2015-05-24 22:37 <dahlia> but you can also scale after importing
2015-05-24 22:37 <ldlework> I guess I'm doing a bad job at explaining
2015-05-24 22:37 <ldlework> scaling after import wouldn't help this at all
2015-05-24 22:39 <ldlework> actually
2015-05-24 22:39 <ldlework> using r32 I think helped
2015-05-24 22:39 <ldlework> I have tons of resolution in the z now
2015-05-24 22:39 <ldlework> so you were right
2015-05-24 22:40 <dahlia> I believe r32 can represent any precision the viewer is capable of
2015-05-24 22:40 <dahlia> not 100% positive but pretty sure
2015-05-24 22:40 <ldlework> dahlia: it helped a lot thanks 
2015-05-24 22:40 <dahlia> np
2015-05-24 22:40 <djphil> nebadon : I just found a second problem with llCastray ... Here is the video showing the problem (you can see the lazer tranverse places the obstacle to collide with it ...)
2015-05-24 22:40 <djphil> http://digigrids.no-ip.org/lazerbugdemo02/
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2015-05-24 22:42 <djphil> llCastRay V3 really seems to have broken something ...
2015-05-24 22:46 <djphil> I just tested the llCastRay "wall walker" script ... and it does not work (very very slow, very very laggy)
2015-05-24 22:53 <dahlia> djphil: you using the very latest? I think nebadon may have added a few more patches in the last day or 2
2015-05-24 22:53 <djphil> yes is the last
2015-05-24 22:53 <djphil> this one : OSgrid OpenSimulator 0.8.2.dev.abb3bb6 - [zip] [31.9mb] 05-23-2015
2015-05-24 22:53 <nebadon> and you sure you dont have v2 set in OpenSim.ini?
2015-05-24 22:53 <nebadon> you really shouldnt be changing OpenSimDefaults.ini
2015-05-24 22:54 <djphil> i see any v2 parm in the ini
2015-05-24 22:54 <djphil> all v2 is now v3
2015-05-24 22:54 <nebadon> yea but when you were testing v2
2015-05-24 22:54 <nebadon> did you put it into OpenSim.ini?
2015-05-24 22:54 <nebadon> make sure its not there as well
2015-05-24 22:55 <djphil> with the wall walker there is another problem too, propolse my avatar to  points, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0 undesirable and unexpected ways
2015-05-24 22:55 <dahlia> all this V2 V3 stuff is probably too confusing
2015-05-24 22:56 <dahlia> "propolse" ?
2015-05-24 22:57 <djphil> ok i will check opensim ini ini and opensimdefault
2015-05-24 22:57 <dahlia> my typonese filter is failing on that one
2015-05-24 22:57 <djphil> when I tested v2 he was with another simulator
2015-05-24 22:57 <djphil> for v3 I installed new simulator
2015-05-24 22:58 <djphil> I have not yet tested the filter's ( 8 ) dalhia
2015-05-24 22:58 <djphil> there has 8 filters if I'm not mistaken ...
2015-05-24 23:02 <dahlia> those mantis entries should probably have stayed in the "patch feedback" state for longer
2015-05-24 23:04 <djphil> nebadon : I see nothing about llCastRay in OpenSim.ini file ... all who concerna llCastRay (v3) is located in OpenSimDefaluts.ini. ... And all is v3
2015-05-24 23:04 <djphil> probably yes dalhia :s
2015-05-24 23:05 <nebadon> ok just wanted to make sure
2015-05-24 23:05 <nebadon> well if there are problems, start a new mantis and then associate it to the old closed mantis
2015-05-24 23:05 <djphil> ok now we are sure :)
2015-05-24 23:05 <djphil> ok
2015-05-24 23:05 <djphil> and ty
2015-05-24 23:05 <nebadon> I am using that exact script though and did not experience any problems
2015-05-24 23:06 <djphil> :o that very strange
2015-05-24 23:06 <djphil> i'm using opensim (last osgrid version)
2015-05-24 23:07 <djphil> and the default lazer script
2015-05-24 23:07 <nebadon> not sure the latest osgrid has all the patches
2015-05-24 23:07 <djphil> idem for wall walkerrn is the default script
2015-05-24 23:07 <nebadon> you should probably be using the git version
2015-05-24 23:07 <djphil> is this the last patche ?
2015-05-24 23:07 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=abb3bb60a6ef0a3ed92d3fa54dc47d4d3e560b36
2015-05-24 23:08 <nebadon> ok ya it does look like it is
2015-05-24 23:09 <djphil> osgrid release is from today
2015-05-24 23:09 <djphil> and llcastray patch from 2015-05-23 11:48
2015-05-24 23:10 <djphil> logically it should be included ...
2015-05-24 23:10 <nebadon> you could try it at Sisyphus
2015-05-24 23:10 <nebadon> see how it works there
2015-05-24 23:10 <nebadon> on OSgrid
2015-05-24 23:10 <nebadon> that is where I have been testing
2015-05-24 23:10 <djphil> kk i take the script and i coming
2015-05-24 23:14 <nebadon> k i cant log in at the moment
2015-05-24 23:14 <djphil> np
2015-05-24 23:15 <nebadon> I have console open though
2015-05-24 23:15 <djphil> :)
2015-05-24 23:17 <djphil> First i test the wall walker: it is like home, it sends the avatar 0, 0, 0
2015-05-24 23:17 <djphil> just at home he does it faster because your server is more powerful (hahaha)
2015-05-24 23:18 <nebadon> :) ya fast server
2015-05-24 23:18 <nebadon> 8 core cpu
2015-05-24 23:18 <nebadon> ok well if you can post an IAR or the scripts in a new mantis
2015-05-24 23:18 <djphil> The diference with mine really visible
2015-05-24 23:18 <nebadon> then associate it to the old ones
2015-05-24 23:18 <nebadon> magnus can to some testing against your scripts
2015-05-24 23:18 <nebadon> oh so it only goes to 0,0,0 breifly?
2015-05-24 23:19 <nebadon> you know i have seen that happen on var regions
2015-05-24 23:19 <nebadon> when sitting on vehicles
2015-05-24 23:19 <nebadon> it jumps to 0,0,0
2015-05-24 23:19 <djphil> that not mine ... that the original Adeon Writer scripts
2015-05-24 23:19 <nebadon> is this something you sit on?
2015-05-24 23:19 <djphil> tested in SL, working 100% fine
2015-05-24 23:19 <nebadon> I think this might be a var region bug
2015-05-24 23:19 <nebadon> not llcastray
2015-05-24 23:20 <djphil> i have no tested vehicle on mine simulator yet
2015-05-24 23:20 <djphil> lets me test it on your
2015-05-24 23:20 <djphil> lets*
2015-05-24 23:21 <djphil> vehicle work fine
2015-05-24 23:21 <djphil> tested with OKC Racer v0.371x (super-tester 2)
2015-05-24 23:26 <djphil> Second test, the lazer : The problem is similar Neb ... it don't work proprely
2015-05-24 23:26 <djphil> mom i make a little video
2015-05-24 23:31 <djphil> here is the bug demo on sysiphus : http://digigrids.no-ip.org/lazerbugdemo03/
2015-05-24 23:32 <djphil> the problem is the same ...
2015-05-24 23:32 <nebadon> you can see I a similar script there
2015-05-24 23:33 <nebadon> I am using a similar script there*
2015-05-24 23:33 <djphil> yep
2015-05-24 23:33 <djphil> it bug too
2015-05-24 23:33 <nebadon> those are working right?
2015-05-24 23:33 <djphil> same bug!
2015-05-24 23:33 <nebadon> it wasnt when i was tetsing
2015-05-24 23:33 <djphil> no it don't work proprely
2015-05-24 23:34 <djphil> you have the same bug with your
2015-05-24 23:34 <djphil> (in your "super" build") ^^
2015-05-24 23:34 <nebadon> well when i was testing it was fine
2015-05-24 23:34 <nebadon> and I have done nothing to that simulator since then
2015-05-24 23:34 <nebadon> what viewer are you using?
2015-05-24 23:35 <djphil> Now there is the eye of Soron that observes me
2015-05-24 23:35 <djphil> i'm using FS 4.6.9.42974
2015-05-24 23:35 <djphil> and too the last beta release
2015-05-24 23:35 <nebadon> hmm wierd
2015-05-24 23:35 <nebadon> I cant seem to log in
2015-05-24 23:36 <djphil> lets me tests with the beta
2015-05-24 23:36 <djphil> and with singu
2015-05-24 23:38 <djphil> ok, same with FS beta
2015-05-24 23:38 <nebadon> I dont get it
2015-05-24 23:38 <nebadon> this was working yesterdya
2015-05-24 23:38 <nebadon> wtf
2015-05-24 23:39 <nebadon> seems like raycasting isnt working at all now
2015-05-24 23:39 <nebadon> I dont get it
2015-05-24 23:40 <djphil> i have same problem with Singu
2015-05-24 23:41 <nebadon> ya I don't know
2015-05-24 23:41 <djphil> llCAstray is buggy for sure
2015-05-24 23:41 <nebadon> i cant look at this anymore right now
2015-05-24 23:41 <nebadon> will have to look later
2015-05-24 23:41 <nebadon> i dont understand why it was working fine yesterday
2015-05-24 23:41 <nebadon> and now its not
2015-05-24 23:41 <djphil> i rez the lazer for you
2015-05-24 23:41 <djphil> is the original
2015-05-24 23:41 <djphil> take it
2015-05-24 23:41 <djphil> ... but you know and you have ^^
2015-05-24 23:42 <djphil> At least we now know that you also have the same problem. it's a good thing to know this
2015-05-24 23:49 <lillith_xue> cd ~
2015-05-24 23:49 <misterblue> I hate it when that happens
2015-05-24 23:51 <lillith_xue> oops XD
2015-05-24 23:51 <lillith_xue> now i know wich window had focus XD
2015-05-25 00:06 <dahlia> if you want to just get back to your home directory, "cd" should work just like "cd ~"
2015-05-25 00:07 <lillith_xue> oh, thank you didn't know that ;-)
2015-05-25 00:08 <clippy> your welcome ;)
2015-05-25 07:31 <osmantis> Bug #7586:04 Avatar Remains A Cloud On Relog No Matter What 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7586 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-05-25 07:33 <osmantis> Bug #7586:04 Avatar Remains A Cloud On Relog No Matter What 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7586 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-05-25 07:36 <osmantis> Bug #7585:04 Last Location Doesnt Work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7585 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-25 08:22 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-05-25 18:52 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-25 22:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #4191 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-25 22:26 <diva> nebadon ping
2015-05-25 22:26 <nebadon> hey diva
2015-05-25 22:26 <diva> are there any easy bug fixes since the official release that should be cherry-picked to -post-fixes?
2015-05-25 22:27 <diva> I know I picked one, just wondering if you can pinpoint more
2015-05-25 22:27 <nebadon> I can't really think of anything
2015-05-25 22:27 <diva> ok
2015-05-25 22:27 <diva> the inventory fix is too large to be ported to that branch, so it will be on the next release
2015-05-25 22:28 <diva> I want to do a new D2 with that bug fixed
2015-05-25 22:28 <diva> thanks
2015-05-25 22:28 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-25 22:28 <diva> "that bug" = "justin's xml bug"
2015-05-25 22:28 <nebadon> ok ya that one is worth going back
2015-05-25 22:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4191: SUCCESS in 9 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4191/
2015-05-25 22:29 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Minor change of statement order in unit test
2015-05-25 23:10 <smxy> ping nebadon
2015-05-25 23:12 <smxy> nebadon: Just built mono using your usual recipe. FYI: you used .28 and they are up to .43 now.
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2015-05-25 23:25 <nebadon> ok smxy no problems with it?
2015-05-25 23:42 <smxy> nebadon: It built fine. I just about to try running my grid with it.
2015-05-25 23:42 <smxy> It build dev master head fine too
2015-05-25 23:42 <smxy> built*
2015-05-25 23:53 <osmantis> Bug #7345:04 Attach event does not trigger correctly on detach 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7345 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-25 23:55 <osmantis> Bug #7345:04 Attach event does not trigger correctly on detach 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7345 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-05-26 00:01 <smxy> There is a bug in osslEnable.ini. AllowLightshareFunctions should have the 's' in share capitalized.
2015-05-26 00:07 <osmantis> Bug #7345:04 Attach event does not trigger correctly on detach 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7345 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006592.
2015-05-26 00:07 <osmantis> Bug #6592:04 Attach event not firing on detach 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6592 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007345.
2015-05-26 00:07 <osmantis> Bug #7345:04 Attach event does not trigger correctly on detach 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7345 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0005897.
2015-05-26 00:07 <osmantis> Bug #5897:04 attach(NULL_KEY) event not fired on detach. Event lost, or fired on next attach. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5897 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007345.
2015-05-26 01:12 <nebadon> diva are you here?
2015-05-26 01:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #4192 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-26 01:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4192: SUCCESS in 4 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4192/
2015-05-26 01:20 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: fix file perms and change AllowLightshareFunctions to AllowLightShareFunctions
2015-05-26 01:30 <smxy> 4.0.1.43 seems to have started my grid up okay, nebadon. So it passes the smoke test, anyway.
2015-05-26 01:30 <nebadon> k cool
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2015-05-26 02:09 <diva> I'm here now nebadon
2015-05-26 02:10 <nebadon> hey
2015-05-26 02:10 <nebadon> can you look at this patch and see what you think
2015-05-26 02:10 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7345
2015-05-26 02:12 <diva> I don't understand the situation. What does it mean "when newly attaching it"?
2015-05-26 02:14 <nebadon> AliciaRaven can you explain it?
2015-05-26 02:14 <AliciaRaven> sure..
2015-05-26 02:14 <AliciaRaven> when an attached object fired the attached event as its detatched, the event is stored and will fire the next time it is attached
2015-05-26 02:15 <diva> when an object is dettached it fires an attach event?
2015-05-26 02:15 <AliciaRaven> yes, and passes a null uuid
2015-05-26 02:15 <AliciaRaven> AOs use it to stop animations when detached
2015-05-26 02:16 <diva> I see the patch adds a 2ms sleep. Is that even enough for anything? Might as well jusy yield...
2015-05-26 02:16 <AliciaRaven> its enough to call llSay 1000 times
2015-05-26 02:17 <AliciaRaven> yield?
2015-05-26 02:18 <diva> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.threading.thread.yield%28v=vs.110%29.aspx
2015-05-26 02:18 <diva> yield lets other threads go
2015-05-26 02:19 <diva> and puts itself at the end of the queue, or wherever its priority takes it
2015-05-26 02:19 <diva> Can you test if yield works?
2015-05-26 02:20 <AliciaRaven> the page says its .net 4.5 would it work as os is still on 4.0?
2015-05-26 02:20 <diva> yield is a fundamental part of any concurrency API. It's been there from the beginning
2015-05-26 02:20 <diva> ... or maybe only sunce .4
2015-05-26 02:21 <diva> (should have been there from the beginning)
2015-05-26 02:21 <nebadon> http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Apr-09.html
2015-05-26 02:21 <AliciaRaven> ok i will do some tests
2015-05-26 02:21 <nebadon> this seems to imply its in mono 2.6
2015-05-26 02:21 <nebadon> unless im reading it wrong
2015-05-26 02:22 <diva> not the same yield, nebadon
2015-05-26 02:22 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-26 02:22 <diva> it's unfortunately that people converged to using this word to mean two slightly different things
2015-05-26 02:22 <nebadon> heh ya
2015-05-26 02:22 <nebadon> thats about all I can seem to find for mono
2015-05-26 02:24 <diva> AliciaRaven, I'll add this comment to the mantis, for traceability
2015-05-26 02:25 <AliciaRaven> ok
2015-05-26 02:25 <AliciaRaven> im testing now
2015-05-26 02:26 <nebadon> you need to test this on mono 2.10.8
2015-05-26 02:26 <nebadon> to be 100% sure it works
2015-05-26 02:26 <osmantis> Bug #7345:04 Attach event does not trigger correctly on detach 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7345 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-26 02:26 <nebadon> dont just test on mono 4
2015-05-26 02:26 <diva> I weas taliking about .Net 4
2015-05-26 02:26 <diva> not mono
2015-05-26 02:26 <nebadon> well however AliciaRaven tests it
2015-05-26 02:27 <nebadon> it needs to be tested on mono 2.10.8 as well
2015-05-26 02:27 <nebadon> to make sure it works on everything we support
2015-05-26 02:27 <diva> Yield seems to have been added to the API in .NET 4, it wasn't there before apparently
2015-05-26 02:27 <diva> (I'm talking about Thread.Yield, not the yiled statement)
2015-05-26 02:27 <nebadon> right
2015-05-26 02:27 <AliciaRaven> its available on 4.0, the page wasnt clear so i missed the drop down next to it saying other versions
2015-05-26 02:27 <nebadon> i cant find anything about it in mono
2015-05-26 02:28 <diva> its not a mono thing, it's .NET
2015-05-26 02:28 <diva> mono implements .net
2015-05-26 02:28 <nebadon> yea I understand that
2015-05-26 02:28 <nebadon> but mono is not always as complete either
2015-05-26 02:28 <nebadon> I am just saying make sure it gets tested on the minimum requirement
2015-05-26 02:28 <nebadon> befroe we push to core
2015-05-26 02:28 <nebadon> before*
2015-05-26 02:29 <nebadon> there is a huge difference between mono 4.0.1 and 2.10.8
2015-05-26 02:30 <nebadon> unlikely its an issue, i would just like to be sure is all
2015-05-26 02:30 <nebadon> ah i finally found something
2015-05-26 02:30 <nebadon> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.mono.patches/171575
2015-05-26 02:31 <nebadon> looks like it should be ok
2015-05-26 02:33 <AliciaRaven> trying on windows and using Yeild it some times fires an event, must seems to fire it on reattachment most of the time
2015-05-26 02:33 <AliciaRaven> must=most
2015-05-26 02:33 <diva> how many cores does your server have?
2015-05-26 02:34 <AliciaRaven> im testing on my pc at the moment, so 4
2015-05-26 02:35 <AliciaRaven> "after calling Thread.Yield(), time-slice is given only to those threads who are running at the same processor with current thread"
2015-05-26 02:37 <diva> I still don't understand the problem well enough though
2015-05-26 02:37 <diva> when exactly do you want the event to trigger?
2015-05-26 02:37 <AliciaRaven> as the object is detached, we are using it to make a call to de register a game item with the system
2015-05-26 02:38 <diva> and when does it trigger now?
2015-05-26 02:38 <AliciaRaven> current behavior is that it fired the attach twice when its next attached
2015-05-26 02:38 <diva> attached?!
2015-05-26 02:38 <diva> or deattached again?
2015-05-26 02:38 <AliciaRaven> attached again
2015-05-26 02:39 <AliciaRaven> when u take it off, it adds the attach event to the event que but there is no time to run it before the script is stoped so it fires it on the next attach
2015-05-26 02:40 <AliciaRaven> i could post a demo script?
2015-05-26 02:40 <diva> shouldn't the fix be somewhere in the script engine code?
2015-05-26 02:41 <diva> that fix is in a too generic of a place
2015-05-26 02:41 <diva> LSL_Api DetachWrapper maybe?
2015-05-26 02:41 <AliciaRaven> ok i will look into that
2015-05-26 02:42 <diva> thanks
2015-05-26 02:43 <diva> I'll also add that comment in the mantis, so that I will remember what I said
2015-05-26 02:43 <osmantis> Bug #7345:04 Attach event does not trigger correctly on detach 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7345 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-26 02:43 <smxy> diva, when you and I switched me from building your modules, to using the binary addons, I lost the Master paswword feature. How do I get that back?
2015-05-26 02:43 <AliciaRaven> i added a script example if you want to test that in an attached object to see how the event is working
2015-05-26 02:44 <diva> if I remember correctly smxy you were using that feature in a way I didn't intend it to be used: for producing iars, yes?
2015-05-26 02:45 <smxy> I was using it for that because you told me I could use it for that. You bever said it was an unsupported use of it.
2015-05-26 02:45 <smxy> It was specifically why I used it.
2015-05-26 02:45 <diva> it was not designed for that. YOu can use it at your own risk
2015-05-26 02:46 <smxy> I wanted to do that and you told me how to do it. You didn;t say it wasn't intended for that.
2015-05-26 02:46 <diva> you simply need to use the AuthenticationService that comes in my dlls alsi in the sims
2015-05-26 02:46 <diva> it's a configurtation issue
2015-05-26 02:46 <smxy> Right. I used to build you dlls. Now I don't. So how do I get this back?
2015-05-26 02:46 <AliciaRaven> smxy, why not just comment out the password check in the code
2015-05-26 02:46 <diva> it's a configuration issue
2015-05-26 02:46 <diva> not a compilation issue
2015-05-26 02:47 <diva> you need to have your sims use my Diva.OpenSimServices.dll for Authentication
2015-05-26 02:48 <smxy> Yes, and when I built your dlls, they went into my bin. But since I don't build them now, I don't know where that would be.
2015-05-26 02:48 <diva> and btw smxy I don't remember ever telling you how to do it. I think you found it yourself by virtue of using that configuration and trying it out
2015-05-26 02:48 <nebadon> I probably told smxy
2015-05-26 02:48 <nebadon> i forget now myself heh
2015-05-26 02:48 <smxy> I know you were in the conversation, nebadon.
2015-05-26 02:49 <diva> just grab the dll from the addins regisytry folder
2015-05-26 02:50 <diva> you probably need Diva.Data too
2015-05-26 02:50 <diva> but that's a hacky way of doing what you want to do
2015-05-26 02:51 <smxy> okay. I found the log of the conversation and it was both you and nebadon telling me about it.
2015-05-26 02:51 <diva> isn't the use of password in iar save configurable?
2015-05-26 02:51 <nebadon> I dont think so
2015-05-26 02:51 <diva> afk
2015-05-26 02:51 <smxy> No mention that my using it for that was non-standard, only that the whole lasterpassword thing was undocumented.
2015-05-26 02:51 <nebadon> that would be bad in open grids
2015-05-26 02:52 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, its already bad in open grids, the password check is on the sim side and can be removed by anyone that can edit and compile their own region
2015-05-26 02:54 <smxy> Yeah, I tried AliciaRaven, but couldn't find the spcific thing to comment out. I only use it to make backups of user's inventory in cases of disaster.
2015-05-26 02:56 <smxy> It seems to me that it's something a grid operator ought to be able to do. I mean, we already have a copy of the database, so it's not like we're stealing anything.
2015-05-26 03:28 <AliciaRaven> diva, im looking at LSL_Api and DetachWrapper, that method calls "AttachmentsModule.DetachSingleAttachmentToInv", but the problem is the sleep needs to be in the middle of that, after the event is added to the que but before the script is stopped
2015-05-26 03:44 <AliciaRaven> aww i hate it when i write a mantis post and on submit i get a security token failed notice and loose it all
2015-05-26 03:51 <osmantis> Bug #7345:04 Attach event does not trigger correctly on detach 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7345 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-05-26 16:26 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-26 16:51 <notskittles> hi
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2015-05-26 16:56 <notskittles> i've been having a problem and i wondered if anyone else has run into something similar. ever. since enabling hypergrid services i've had a big spike in problems after teleporting sometimes. it seems a bit random, but it's never on login, always after teleport, usually if an agent has been on a region, tp'd and come back later, what i'm seeing is after the teleport, caps are never received by the viewer for the new region (so things like mesh
2015-05-26 16:56 <notskittles>  won't load and scripts can't save), parcel information remains for the parcel on the region one has teleported away from, instant messages never arrive, and local chat isn't shown for the new region.
2015-05-26 16:57 <notskittles> would this be a problem with my config or with the network setup or a bug within the software?
2015-05-26 17:49 <BlueWall> notskittles, can you put that in a mantis?
2015-05-26 17:57 <nebadon> maybe mono threads issue again?
2015-05-26 17:57 <nebadon> I had trouble teleporting as well
2015-05-26 17:58 <BlueWall> I'm wondering if an agent has been seen, then maybe it has somethng to do with the user cache?
2015-05-26 17:58 <nebadon> "
2015-05-26 17:59 <BlueWall> maybe the user's info is cached and prevents the caps from being sent to the viewer when they TP back.
2015-05-26 18:02 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-26 18:02 <osmantis> Bug #7426:04 Buy or Open as the touch event for an object doesn't work with alpha viewers & has very odd permissions behavior when you touch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426 ): has been CLOSED
2015-05-26 18:09 <osmantis> Bug #7538:04 Bulletsim: If a cut prim or mesh surface is tilted very much in both x and y direction, most physics vehicles fall through it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7538 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-26 18:26 <notskittles> yeah, i can file it.
2015-05-26 18:27 <notskittles> it's almost as if it's never actually releasing the agent after tp, but it claims it is in the log.
2015-05-26 18:27 <notskittles> it's strangest when you still get local chat, but can move around the new sim.
2015-05-26 18:28 <notskittles> this has happened before in sl ofc too, so really deep down it's a protocol flaw, but it's happening a lot for me with hypergrid services on.
2015-05-26 18:31 <Ken_S> This sounds similar to some of the issue with TPs between var regions.
2015-05-26 18:32 <nebadon> notskittles are you setting the threads per cpu setting in bash for mono?
2015-05-26 18:32 <nebadon> assuming you are running on mono
2015-05-26 18:33 <nebadon> ie: export MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU=2048
2015-05-26 18:33 <notskittles> yes
2015-05-26 18:34 <nebadon> I had a horrible time teleporting when thats not set
2015-05-26 18:34 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-26 18:34 <notskittles> i don't remember what that's set to at the moment, but there should be plenty.
2015-05-26 18:35 <notskittles> running mono 4.0.1 too, but this was problematic before the update as well.
2015-05-26 18:35 <nebadon> i assume these regions are pretty well populated with scripts and such
2015-05-26 18:36 <nebadon> you are running a casino or something right?
2015-05-26 18:36 <nebadon> or is this happening in lightly populated regions as well?
2015-05-26 18:36 <notskittles> it doesn't seem to matter, it can be loaded or empty.
2015-05-26 18:36 <nebadon> ok hmm
2015-05-26 18:36 <nebadon> ive not really experienced this problem
2015-05-26 18:36 <nebadon> and I teleport quite a lot
2015-05-26 18:36 <nebadon> but we also dont have any kind of crowd
2015-05-26 18:36 <nebadon> generally its like 3-4 of us
2015-05-26 18:36 <nebadon> maybe 10 at most
2015-05-26 18:37 <notskittles> i was wondering if it's maybe the presence service being overloaded, but iunno.
2015-05-26 18:37 <nebadon> what kind of concurenccy grid wide are you seeing?
2015-05-26 18:37 <notskittles> there's generally 50-60 people inworld.
2015-05-26 18:37 <nebadon> i doubt its being overloaded then
2015-05-26 18:37 <notskittles> k
2015-05-26 18:38 <notskittles> the real change happened when i switched over to hypergrid services.
2015-05-26 18:38 <notskittles> it started happening a lot more.
2015-05-26 18:38 <nebadon> are you load balancing login service?
2015-05-26 18:38 <nebadon> or just a single instance?
2015-05-26 18:39 <nebadon> I had trouble with HG and running multiple login services behind a reverse proxy before
2015-05-26 18:39 <nebadon> because ip isnt consistent
2015-05-26 18:39 <notskittles> we have several robust instances, but no duplicate services running.
2015-05-26 18:39 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-26 18:39 <nebadon> thats fine then
2015-05-26 18:39 <nebadon> we do to at OSgrid
2015-05-26 18:39 <nebadon> but we only maintain a single login service
2015-05-26 18:39 <notskittles> so logins on one, assets on another, etc
2015-05-26 18:39 <nebadon> everything else has balanced instances
2015-05-26 18:39 <nebadon> is it behind a proxy of any kind, nginx or apache?
2015-05-26 18:40 <notskittles> i'm slowly replacing those with new services written in go.
2015-05-26 18:40 <notskittles> no
2015-05-26 18:40 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-26 18:40 <nebadon> definitley strange then
2015-05-26 18:40 <notskittles> i had some locking changes in Scene and friends, but i took those out didn't seem to make a difference either.
2015-05-26 18:40 <nebadon> we have had problems with newer mono though
2015-05-26 18:41 <nebadon> and people who are on DHCP connections whos ip changes constantly
2015-05-26 18:41 <notskittles> this is all staticly assigned.
2015-05-26 18:41 <nebadon> ya
2015-05-26 18:41 <nebadon> i was going to say in a closed grid you should not experience this
2015-05-26 18:42 <BlueWall> I see scripts not saving sometimes in a closed grid.
2015-05-26 18:42 <BlueWall> staying on the same region I log into.
2015-05-26 18:42 <notskittles> i'd like to open up for hypergrid, but i need to make sure all of this works right first.
2015-05-26 18:42 <BlueWall> So, that one might not be related.
2015-05-26 18:42 <BlueWall> The caps thing is what I'm thinking.
2015-05-26 18:42 <notskittles> well, the failure to save on this one is because it can't get the upload cap.
2015-05-26 18:42 <notskittles> i see that one in the log.
2015-05-26 18:43 <BlueWall> ok
2015-05-26 18:43 <BlueWall> OpenSim console?
2015-05-26 18:43 <notskittles> there's some other funky stuff with task inventory.
2015-05-26 18:43 <notskittles> yeah
2015-05-26 18:43 <BlueWall> ok
2015-05-26 18:43 <notskittles> i'm nowhere near touching task inventory yet. lol
2015-05-26 18:43 <notskittles> that's scary stuff.
2015-05-26 18:43 <BlueWall> so, I guess the simulator is attempting to send the cap if there is a log message about failure?
2015-05-26 18:44 <notskittles> all the logging for a tp is identical for when the tp works and when the issue arrises.
2015-05-26 18:44 <notskittles> no warnings or anything.
2015-05-26 18:44 <BlueWall> where does the message about caps come from?
2015-05-26 18:46 <notskittles> so the way i see it is i login, i see everything loads and works, tp to a different region, see it loading and running fine, tp back, see that mesh has not loaded, that's the quickest way to see that it didn't get the sim caps because there's no GetMesh, if i open a prim from there with a script, open the script edit it, click to save the script, the save fails.
2015-05-26 18:47 <BlueWall> different region being different grid?
2015-05-26 18:48 <notskittles> no, different simulator same grid.
2015-05-26 18:48 <notskittles> ok, it's not on the console that i get an error for the script save.
2015-05-26 18:48 <notskittles> it's in the viewer.
2015-05-26 18:48 <BlueWall> allright
2015-05-26 18:48 <notskittles> "Sim lacking UpdateScriptTask capability"
2015-05-26 18:49 <BlueWall> I have a closed grid and an open one. I haven't seen anythign like that on either.
2015-05-26 18:50 <ldlework> BlueWall: what is your closed grid for
2015-05-26 18:50 <BlueWall> client
2015-05-26 18:50 <ldlework> sure, but what
2015-05-26 18:50 <ldlework> I'm just curious
2015-05-26 18:50 <ldlework> of use-cases
2015-05-26 18:50 <AliciaRaven> notskittles, i saw that error for the first time yesterday about script saving, it was on my local test grid so i assumed was config problem
2015-05-26 18:50 <BlueWall> that's about all I can say right now
2015-05-26 18:50 <ldlework> BlueWall: not even like a generic conceptualization of it?
2015-05-26 18:51 <BlueWall> notskittles, is that a viwer message box or viewr log?
2015-05-26 18:51 <BlueWall> ldlework, no
2015-05-26 18:51 <notskittles> that's in the script floater output.
2015-05-26 18:51 <notskittles> that's what the compiler returns to the viewer.
2015-05-26 18:51 <BlueWall> ok
2015-05-26 18:52 <BlueWall> haven't seen that
2015-05-26 18:52 <notskittles> i think the message is local
2015-05-26 18:52 <notskittles> when i dump the sim caps, it returns nothing at all.
2015-05-26 18:52 <BlueWall> I have worked on scripts normally for several changes, then have it revert w/o messages
2015-05-26 18:52 <BlueWall> so that is far different from what you have.
2015-05-26 18:53 <notskittles> i don't think it's really a problem with scripts, it's the viewer not getting any sim caps.
2015-05-26 18:53 <notskittles> and yet, when i logout....
2015-05-26 18:53 <notskittles> 18:49:40 - [CAPS]: Remove caps for agent 66666666-6666-6666-6666-666666666666 in region Stormcloud
2015-05-26 18:55 <notskittles> gonna add a bunch of debug spam to the caps module and see what's up.
2015-05-26 18:56 <BlueWall> oes the viewer need to refresh them each time an agent changes regions?
2015-05-26 18:59 <notskittles> yeah, i think so.
2015-05-26 19:02 <notskittles> it's hard to tell what it's supposed to do. ll seems to have wanted to change the protocol so it didn't rely so much on the seed-capability but then they killed OGP and forgot about it.
2015-05-26 19:03 <BlueWall> it has been a long time since I looked at the OS caps stuff.
2015-05-26 19:07 <notskittles> ok, so when everything is working, this is what i get when i dump caps to log in the viewer
2015-05-26 19:07 <notskittles> 2015-05-26T19:04:52Z INFO: logActiveCapabilities: Seed URL is http://188.138.33.214:9009/CAPS/a3184f8f-6d85-47ea-b42a-293316311d590000/
2015-05-26 19:07 <notskittles> and 31 caps
2015-05-26 19:07 <notskittles> when it *doesn't* work
2015-05-26 19:07 <notskittles> 2015-05-26T19:06:23Z INFO: logActiveCapabilities: Seed URL is http://188.138.33.214:9009/CAPS/0000/
2015-05-26 19:07 <notskittles> and zero caps
2015-05-26 19:09 <BlueWall> so, I guess we are sending 0000 back?
2015-05-26 19:09 <notskittles> yeah, it's sending that instead of whatever generated uuid that is.
2015-05-26 19:10 <notskittles> now i have to go find the seed cap thing...
2015-05-26 19:12 <notskittles> it claims to have sent it in the log.
2015-05-26 19:12 <BlueWall> but it was 0000 I guess
2015-05-26 19:12 <notskittles> 19:05:47 - [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: Sending new CAPS seed url http://188.138.57.132:9007/CAPS/b11f25a6-c795-4c22-89ed-5d372068f8fb0000/ from Stormcloud to Cinder YrrrTeam
2015-05-26 19:13 <notskittles> but it ended up as 0000 in the viewer
2015-05-26 19:13 <BlueWall> oh
2015-05-26 19:13 <notskittles> these aren't even valid uuids
2015-05-26 19:14 <notskittles> the 0000 invalidates it
2015-05-26 19:14 <notskittles> b11f25a6-c795-4c22-89ed-5d372068f8fb would be valid
2015-05-26 19:14 <notskittles> hmmm
2015-05-26 19:14 <BlueWall> b11f25a6-c795-4c22-89ed-5d372068f8fb exists ?
2015-05-26 19:14 <notskittles> no, i think it's just random.
2015-05-26 19:15 <notskittles> but b11f25a6-c795-4c22-89ed-5d372068f8fb0000 is 4 bytes too long.
2015-05-26 19:15 <BlueWall> creates them on the fly
2015-05-26 19:15 <BlueWall> ohh, yes
2015-05-26 19:15 <notskittles> and each of these seed cap uuids has 4 0's at the end of them...
2015-05-26 19:17 <notskittles> return "CAPS/" + capsObjectPath + "0000/";
2015-05-26 19:18 <notskittles> hmm
2015-05-26 19:18 <notskittles> so capsObjectPath is empty and so the seed-capability url it's sending on tp is invalid
2015-05-26 19:21 <notskittles> i'll be back later with a solution maybe...
2015-05-26 19:21 <notskittles> afk
2015-05-26 19:21 <BlueWall> thanks, take care
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2015-05-26 22:08 <osmantis> Bug #7345:04 Attach event does not trigger correctly on detach 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7345 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-05-26 22:09 <osmantis> Bug #7345:04 Attach event does not trigger correctly on detach 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7345 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-26 22:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #4193 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-26 22:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4193: SUCCESS in 9 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4193/
2015-05-26 22:17 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Attachments Module. Fix detach event not being fired until the next time the object is attached.
2015-05-26 23:54 <osmantis> Bug #7576:04 About New Constant OBJECT_BODY_SHAPE_TYPE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7576 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-26 23:55 <diva> are there any major bugs in master head at the moment?
2015-05-27 00:03 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-27 00:09 <BlueWall> diva, are you thinking about a release?
2015-05-27 00:09 <diva> no, not yet. I need to upgrade one of my grids and was debating whether to stay in -post-fixes or jump to master head
2015-05-27 00:10 <BlueWall> ahh, ok
2015-05-27 00:10 <BlueWall> I'm a week or so behind I think. But that runs ok.
2015-05-27 00:12 <diva> ok thanks
2015-05-27 00:27 <BlueWall> we have always indented the line after lock, if, foreach if it is a single line ({} not needed), right?
2015-05-27 00:31 <BlueWall> that last merge from MOSES did a range of format chages, just unindenting the lines under such things (https://github.com/opensim/opensim/blob/master/OpenSim/Region/Framework/Scenes/Scene.cs#L1944)
2015-05-27 00:36 <BlueWall> https://github.com/opensim/opensim/blob/master/OpenSim/Region/Framework/Scenes/Scene.cs#L1724 is how it is normally done, but they are changing the format throughout the file.
2015-05-27 02:17 <dahlia> wierd how I get logged out when I try to hg tp from my grid to a friend's grid, or from friend's grid to my grid, yet my osgrid avatar can freely hg tp between all of them and accounts on them can freely hg tp to osgrid
2015-05-27 03:02 <BlueWall> hmm
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2015-05-27 08:12 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-27 10:15 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-27 11:20 <osmantis> Bug #7407:04 Attempting save of script state for attachments worn by NPC when removing them from scene 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-27 15:04 <osmantis> Bug #7588:04 llListRandomize() doesn't do a very good job. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7588 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-27 15:06 <osmantis> Bug #7588:04 llListRandomize() doesn't do a very good job. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7588 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-05-27 15:08 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-27 15:17 <osmantis> Bug #7588:04 llListRandomize() doesn't do a very good job. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7588 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-27 15:38 <osmantis> Bug #7588:04 llListRandomize() doesn't do a very good job. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7588 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-27 15:39 <osmantis> Bug #7588:04 llListRandomize() doesn't do a very good job. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7588 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-27 15:55 <osmantis> Bug #7588:04 llListRandomize() doesn't do a very good job. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7588 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-27 16:06 <osmantis> Bug #7588:04 llListRandomize() doesn't do a very good job. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7588 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-27 16:07 <osmantis> Bug #7588:04 llListRandomize() doesn't do a very good job. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7588 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-27 16:14 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-27 16:18 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-05-27 18:15 <osmantis> Bug #7588:04 llListRandomize() doesn't do a very good job. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7588 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-27 18:17 <osmantis> Bug #7588:04 llListRandomize() doesn't do a very good job. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7588 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-27 18:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #4194 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-27 18:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4194: SUCCESS in 9 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4194/
2015-05-27 18:26 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: llListRandomize() wasn't very random
2015-05-27 21:49 <AliciaRaven> misterblue, are u awake?
2015-05-27 21:56 <AliciaRaven> im seeing some strange things with parcels recently, ghost parcel lines etc
2015-05-27 21:56 <nebadon> there are issues with parcels on Vars
2015-05-27 21:56 <nebadon> is this a var or standard region configuration?
2015-05-27 21:57 <nebadon> I have found on vars everytime you change parcel you have to relog to see the change, pretty annoying
2015-05-27 21:57 <nebadon> I can't say if its new or not, I only recently noticed it, i dont use parcels much
2015-05-27 21:57 <nebadon> I actually noticed it when i was trying to join 2 parcels to get rid of one
2015-05-27 21:57 <AliciaRaven> var region
2015-05-27 21:57 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-27 21:58 <AliciaRaven> i havnt edited them since i logged in tho
2015-05-27 21:58 <nebadon> definitely problems there, no idea why or when it started
2015-05-27 21:58 <AliciaRaven> restarted the sim aswell, seems like it was the recent patch for only sending parcel layer data around the avatar
2015-05-27 21:58 <nebadon> yea
2015-05-27 21:58 <nebadon> Misterblue did that to reduce lag
2015-05-27 21:59 <nebadon> perhaps that is when it started
2015-05-27 21:59 <nebadon> does moving avatar help?
2015-05-27 21:59 <nebadon> maybe its based on center of the parcel?
2015-05-27 21:59 <nebadon> and not edge?
2015-05-27 21:59 <AliciaRaven> no, i move my avatar and the ghost line jumps 8m then back again lol
2015-05-27 21:59 <nebadon> lots of parcels?
2015-05-27 21:59 <AliciaRaven> flickers between
2015-05-27 21:59 <AliciaRaven> nope, the main sim wide one and one other
2015-05-27 22:00 <nebadon> large var?
2015-05-27 22:00 <AliciaRaven> seen it on another sim, there it was divided up into lots of squares and the problem seemed to be the southern edge
2015-05-27 22:00 <AliciaRaven> this one is a 2x2
2015-05-27 22:00 <nebadon> k thats small
2015-05-27 22:00 <AliciaRaven> other was 4x4
2015-05-27 22:00 <nebadon> thats still within what i would say are supported limits :)
2015-05-27 22:00 <AliciaRaven> im going to disable it in the ini and see if the problem goes away
2015-05-27 22:01 <nebadon> k good idea
2015-05-27 22:01 <AliciaRaven> yep lol i never go over 4x4
2015-05-27 22:03 <AliciaRaven> looks very wrong aswell, the viewer is showing parcel lines that suddenly end
2015-05-27 22:05 <AliciaRaven> http://www.spellscape.co.uk/alicia/PhantomParcel2.jpg
2015-05-27 22:07 <AliciaRaven> i will create a mantis when i investigate more
2015-05-28 04:19 <nebadon_> Plugh > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/
2015-05-28 05:04 <dahlia> so... if I have a grid and it has a DNS entry for the grid, I have to use the FQDN in the robust config, I cant use the IP address? Seems to fail authentication when someone tries to HG in because it compares theFQDN to the IP address and fails
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2015-05-28 05:33 <nebadon> dahlia I have found you need to be consistent
2015-05-28 05:33 <dahlia> nebadon: do you think maybe caching is the problem?
2015-05-28 05:34 <nebadon> well there are specific checks for HG
2015-05-28 05:34 <nebadon> so you cant spoof
2015-05-28 05:35 <dahlia> so it does do a reverse dns?
2015-05-28 05:35 <nebadon> yes
2015-05-28 05:35 <nebadon> I beleive so, by design
2015-05-28 05:36 <dahlia> kk I hadn't traced it that deep into the code but looks like that is what it was doing
2015-05-28 05:36 <nebadon> thats why a lot of the loopback hacks fail
2015-05-28 05:36 <dahlia> now I need to figure out why I get logged out when I try to HG to anywhere but osgrid 
2015-05-28 05:37 <nebadon> does your grid entry in the viewer have the FQDN?
2015-05-28 05:38 <nebadon> been a while since i ran into this myself
2015-05-28 05:38 <nebadon> i forget all the fail points not
2015-05-28 05:38 <nebadon> now*
2015-05-28 05:38 <dahlia> oh... that's another issue, I cant seem to get the grid manager to work properly
2015-05-28 05:38 <nebadon> you might not have it programmed properly in the Robust.ini
2015-05-28 05:38 <nebadon> for the grid manager stuff
2015-05-28 05:38 <dahlia> where in Robust.ini?
2015-05-28 05:39 <nebadon> 1 sec let me pull it up
2015-05-28 05:39 <dahlia> this was working before
2015-05-28 05:39 <nebadon> [GridInfoService]
2015-05-28 05:39 <nebadon> what happens with grid manager?
2015-05-28 05:40 <dahlia> it saves the entry in the file but it's not in the drop down when I restart
2015-05-28 05:40 <dahlia> almost as if it's saving in one file but reading from another
2015-05-28 05:40 <nebadon> huh
2015-05-28 05:41 <dahlia> ya
2015-05-28 05:41 <nebadon> what viewer?
2015-05-28 05:41 <dahlia> singu
2015-05-28 05:41 <nebadon> Replex?
2015-05-28 05:41 <nebadon> hmm
2015-05-28 05:41 <nebadon> i vaguely remember something like this
2015-05-28 05:41 <dahlia> ya me too
2015-05-28 05:42 <dahlia> the grid manager ui has always been very confusing
2015-05-28 05:42 <dahlia> when it works it's ok, but when something is wrong it.... seriously sux
2015-05-28 05:42 <nebadon> you have a url i can test here locally?
2015-05-28 05:43 <nebadon> see if i see same bevahior
2015-05-28 05:43 <dahlia> with absolutely no user feedback
2015-05-28 05:43 <nebadon> maybe you need a clean install of viewer or something
2015-05-28 05:43 <dahlia> ya moment my grid is down
2015-05-28 05:43 <nebadon> k
2015-05-28 06:21 <Plugh> nebadon: Thanks. I was already aware of this. It is currently being discussed on the GIMP mailing list and main IRC channel.
2015-05-28 06:21 <nebadon> ya so lame
2015-05-28 06:21 <Plugh> yeah. 
2015-05-28 06:21 <nebadon> sourceforge is a bunch of scumbags
2015-05-28 06:22 <nebadon> even if the project is abandoned
2015-05-28 06:22 <nebadon> doesnt give them the right to hijack it
2015-05-28 06:22 <nebadon> wrap their shit downloader/installer shit around it
2015-05-28 06:22 <Plugh> nebadon: http://sourceforge.net/blog/gimp-win-project-wasnt-hijacked-just-abandoned/
2015-05-28 06:23 <nebadon> yea i read it
2015-05-28 06:23 <nebadon> nonsense
2015-05-28 06:23 <nebadon> i actually left a comment telling them I think they suck
2015-05-28 06:23 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-28 06:23 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-05-28 06:23 <Plugh> yea, The developers aren't happy about that.
2015-05-28 06:23 <nebadon> apparantly no one has commented though
2015-05-28 06:23 <nebadon> how convienient
2015-05-28 06:27 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-05-28 06:44 <Plugh> Night, nebadon
2015-05-28 06:54 <dahlia> was that the giand download button that always appeared?
2015-05-28 06:54 <dahlia> *giant
2015-05-28 06:56 <dahlia> "Based on our prior outreach to the GIMP-Win author, we understand that they had concerns about the presence of misleading third-party ads on SourceForge. "
2015-05-28 08:17 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-28 08:44 <osmantis> Bug #7589:04 OAR save does not preserve script "running" status after load 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7589 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-28 09:02 <osmantis> Bug #7590:04 [REGION DB] MySQL error in ExecuteNonQuery Unknown column NaN 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7590 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2015-05-28 09:53 <osmantis> Bug #7591:04 [SCRIPT] llCastray v3 bugs report 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7591 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2015-05-28 11:35 <osmantis> Bug #7592:04 Terrain only shows to 256m even when view distance is 512m, objects show to 512m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7592 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-28 12:07 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-28 12:12 <osmantis> Bug #6811:04 Persist changes to attachments prior to HG teleport (and possibly in-grid?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6811 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-28 12:12 <osmantis> Bug #6811:04 Persist changes to attachments prior to HG teleport (and possibly in-grid?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6811 ): has been CLOSED
2015-05-28 12:13 <osmantis> Bug #7021:04 Suggestiong re OSSL permissions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7021 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-28 12:14 <osmantis> Bug #6987:04 Very high process memory consumption from mesh attachments (and mesh in general) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6987 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-28 12:16 <osmantis> Bug #6987:04 Very high process memory consumption from mesh attachments (and mesh in general) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6987 ): has been CLOSED
2015-05-28 12:16 <osmantis> Bug #7021:04 Suggestiong re OSSL permissions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7021 ): has been CLOSED
2015-05-28 12:18 <osmantis> Bug #7122:04 applying texture to a face that already has a normal map and/or specular map causes advanced mat textures to be reset to "none" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7122 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-28 12:18 <osmantis> Bug #7122:04 applying texture to a face that already has a normal map and/or specular map causes advanced mat textures to be reset to "none" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7122 ): has been CLOSED
2015-05-28 12:26 <osmantis> Bug #6603:04 Hypergrid Friends problems between my stand-alone and OSG grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6603 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-28 14:12 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-28 14:40 <osmantis> Bug #7592:04 Terrain only shows to 256m even when view distance is 512m, objects show to 512m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7592 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-28 14:44 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-28 15:45 <osmantis> Bug #7590:04 [REGION DB] MySQL error in ExecuteNonQuery Unknown column NaN 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7590 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-28 15:47 <osmantis> Bug #7591:04 [SCRIPT] llCastray v3 bugs report 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7591 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2015-05-28 16:23 <Plugh> I'm reviewing ini files looking for changes to update a grid. What is SearchURL used for which is located in [LoginService]?
2015-05-28 16:25 <Plugh> Is that used to set the Search URL entry in a viewers grid information?
2015-05-28 17:09 <LiruCookies> Plugh: That's for where legacy search is.
2015-05-28 17:14 <osmantis> Bug #7591:04 [SCRIPT] llCastray v3 bugs report 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7591 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-28 17:51 <osmantis> Bug #7592:04 Terrain only shows to 256m even when view distance is 512m, objects show to 512m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7592 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-05-28 21:07 <osmantis> Bug #7592:04 Terrain only shows to 256m even when view distance is 512m, objects show to 512m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7592 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-28 23:45 <Plugh> Um... what happened to the Vivox settings in the OS ini files? The whole section seems to be missing in 0.8.1
2015-05-29 00:02 <Plugh> Going afk to run a couple of errands. bbl.
2015-05-29 01:02 <Plugh> 
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2015-05-29 01:25 <osmantis> Bug #7564:04 Inventory download hangs temporarily or permanently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7564 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-29 02:04 <osmantis> Bug #7564:04 Inventory download hangs temporarily or permanently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7564 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-29 07:27 <osmantis> Bug #6592:04 Attach event not firing on detach 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6592 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-05-29 08:24 <osmantis> Bug #7592:04 Terrain only shows to 256m even when view distance is 512m, objects show to 512m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7592 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-29 09:39 <osmantis> Bug #7592:04 Terrain only shows to 256m even when view distance is 512m, objects show to 512m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7592 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-29 12:50 <osmantis> Bug #7564:04 Inventory download hangs temporarily or permanently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7564 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-29 12:55 <osmantis> Bug #7564:04 Inventory download hangs temporarily or permanently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7564 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-05-29 17:17 <osmantis> Bug #7591:04 [SCRIPT] llCastray v3 bugs report 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7591 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-05-29 17:54 <Plugh> Nuts! Seems I have to update the ossearch and osprofile modules for use with 0.8.1PF
2015-05-29 17:54 <Plugh> I get messages like this -> 'OpenSimSearch,0.3' is trying to extend '/OpenSim/RegionModules', but there isn't any compatible add-in defining this extension point
2015-05-29 18:34 <Plugh> Is ExportSupported option in the OpenSim.ini file something that only comes in to play in an HG enabled grid?
2015-05-29 18:56 <LiruCookies> I don't know for certain, but if it is sent to the viewer from there, it'd be sent whether or not HG is enabled
2015-05-29 19:17 <osmantis> Bug #7593:04 High memory usage when avatar arrives and is never released 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7593 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-29 20:17 <osmantis> Bug #7593:04 High memory usage when avatar arrives and is never released 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7593 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-05-29 20:28 <osmantis> Bug #7593:04 High memory usage when avatar arrives and is never released 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7593 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-29 20:29 <osmantis> Bug #7593:04 High memory usage when avatar arrives and is never released 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7593 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007564.
2015-05-29 20:29 <osmantis> Bug #7564:04 Inventory download hangs temporarily or permanently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7564 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007593.
2015-05-29 22:10 <osmantis> Bug #7285:04 Linkset rebuild warning. If this happens more than one or two times, please report in Mantis 7191 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7285 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-29 22:55 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-29 23:14 <Plugh> LiruCookies: I'd say you are right about that. I'll leave it disabled and see if it has any impact on the grid.
2015-05-29 23:18 <VelusUniverseSys> Plugh, how would i download the firestorm viewer code through the website? i cant see a download option
2015-05-29 23:19 <Plugh> VelusUniverseSys: It would be in the developers section of the site.
2015-05-29 23:20 <VelusUniverseSys> i am at http://hg.phoenixviewer.com/phoenix-firestorm-release/file but i cant see a download link the actual site has a link to this one 
2015-05-29 23:21 <Plugh> oh, they are using Mercurial.
2015-05-29 23:22 <VelusUniverseSys> yeah and i dont know how to download it from there?
2015-05-29 23:22 <nebadon> might need to install hg
2015-05-29 23:22 <nebadon> https://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Download
2015-05-29 23:23 <Plugh> Still need to find the URL for the repo.
2015-05-29 23:23 <nebadon> its like git
2015-05-29 23:23 <Plugh> it would be too easy to include the link on the developers page or on the downloads page. :)
2015-05-29 23:23 <nebadon> http://wiki.phoenixviewer.com/fs_compiling_firestorm_windows_simple
2015-05-29 23:24 <nebadon> and that is about the extent of my ability to help with compiling firestorm
2015-05-29 23:24 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-29 23:25 <nebadon> Tank_Master can probably give you some pointers
2015-05-29 23:25 <Plugh> I have compiled viewers under Linux. It took me quite a while before I figured out how to do it. The viewers use what I consider a non-standard build framework.
2015-05-29 23:26 <nebadon> that is pronbably quite an understatement
2015-05-29 23:26 <nebadon> lol
2015-05-29 23:26 <Plugh> yea. :D
2015-05-29 23:26 <nebadon> I wouldnt say its totaly non-standard, it just has a lot of requirements and external libraries
2015-05-29 23:26 <nebadon> makes it all quite confusing 
2015-05-29 23:26 <VelusUniverseSys> im not looking into compiling yet lol i was wanting to browse over the code, its for some project im working on lol well its me and about 20 friends on this project lol each doing there own section on it lol, 
2015-05-29 23:27 <Plugh> If you follow the instructions provided you have a better chance of succeeding. Either the build system, or the instructions, have gotten a bit better from when I first was trying to build viewers.
2015-05-29 23:27 <nebadon> that page above should help you with that Velus
2015-05-29 23:27 <nebadon> it lays out all the requirements and how to aquire the code
2015-05-29 23:27 <Plugh> ok, np. Install Mercurial, use the URL to retrieve the code, and have at it.
2015-05-29 23:27 <nebadon> I am not sure you can totally get everything just from the firestorm repo
2015-05-29 23:28 <Plugh> When you first start to build a viewer it will download a number of other packages/dependencies from various places.run 
2015-05-29 23:31 <LiruCookies> Plugh: if it's disabled, no one can use the export perm, full perm is considered exportable, if it's enabled, full perm is not exportable.
2015-05-29 23:43 <Plugh> LiruCookies: I've been asking about the option as the ini doesn't really tell me if I want it on or off. I'm not running an HG enabled grid so no issue with exporting to other grids. 
2015-05-29 23:48 <osmantis> Bug #7593:04 High memory usage when avatar arrives and is never released 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7593 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-30 00:16 <osmantis> Bug #7593:04 High memory usage when avatar arrives and is never released 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7593 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-05-30 03:51 <LiruCookies> Plugh: The viewer uses it to determine what's exportable, too.
2015-05-30 06:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #4195 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-30 06:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4195: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4195/
2015-05-30 06:13 <osjenkins> dahlia: Add a new os function "osGetGender()"
2015-05-30 07:14 <djphil> dahlia : hello!
2015-05-30 07:14 <djphil> Did you find a solution for the gender avatars made mesh as I was to see Talun in its new constant OBJECT_BODY_SHAPE_TYPE? (see mantis 7576)
2015-05-30 07:16 <dahlia> djphil: If you mean do I know how to determine gender from visualParams, yes
2015-05-30 07:17 <djphil> I mean, determine the sex of a self-realized avatar mesh ...
2015-05-30 07:17 <djphil> like a robot ...
2015-05-30 07:18 <djphil> how you determine the sex of a mesh avatar (not with the default SL body)
2015-05-30 07:18 <dahlia> lol
2015-05-30 07:18 <dahlia> good luck ;)
2015-05-30 07:18 <djphil> hahaaa
2015-05-30 07:19 <dahlia> I think the usual anatomical rule is if shoulders are wider than hips, it's probably male
2015-05-30 07:19 <dahlia> or something like that
2015-05-30 07:20 <djphil> I have pondered this issue and I have a suggestion ...
2015-05-30 07:20 <djphil> when you edit your avatar SL you can choose the gender ... It could be provided to this place a neutral choice or a specific user choice ...
2015-05-30 07:21 <dahlia> probably not without extending the protocol
2015-05-30 07:21 <dahlia> well... the protocol allows 256 values, I guess 0.5 could be "they"
2015-05-30 07:22 <djphil> ha ok, now it looks anatomy ... interessing
2015-05-30 07:22 <dahlia> I took the value the user enters in the appearance editor
2015-05-30 07:23 <dahlia> which is male of female with no other options
2015-05-30 07:23 <djphil> know the gender is a nice option if it is full ...
2015-05-30 07:23 <dahlia> *or
2015-05-30 07:23 <djphil> ok
2015-05-30 07:23 <djphil> "neutral" don't exist  in this values ...
2015-05-30 07:24 <dahlia> this was so people can know what animation to use for a given avatar without needing pink or blue
2015-05-30 07:25 <djphil> yes it is interesting to know the gender
2015-05-30 07:25 <djphil> as it is also interesting to know the language of the viewer
2015-05-30 07:25 <djphil> But that's another story ^^
2015-05-30 07:26 <dahlia> what does OBJECT_BODY_SHAPE_TYPE do?
2015-05-30 07:27 <djphil> it determine avatar gender
2015-05-30 07:28 <dahlia> oh
2015-05-30 07:28 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7550
2015-05-30 07:28 <dahlia> is that in SL?
2015-05-30 07:28 <djphil> and my comment here : http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7576
2015-05-30 07:28 <djphil> Talon said yes
2015-05-30 07:29 <djphil> He says will soon be implemented in SL
2015-05-30 07:29 <dahlia> oh ok, so I didnt need my last commit
2015-05-30 07:29 <djphil> yes yes !!!
2015-05-30 07:29 <djphil> Hooo don't remove it !
2015-05-30 07:29 <dahlia> I searched the code but didnt find anything like that
2015-05-30 07:29 <dahlia> dont remove it? why?
2015-05-30 07:29 <djphil> your last commit
2015-05-30 07:30 <dahlia> why not?
2015-05-30 07:30 <dahlia> if its already implemented
2015-05-30 07:30 <djphil> made that with OS function is nice
2015-05-30 07:30 <dahlia> well it's redundant
2015-05-30 07:31 <djphil> several functions allow sometimes do the same thing as is already the case
2015-05-30 07:31 <djphil> llGEtObjectDetails return a list
2015-05-30 07:31 <djphil> is so hard to use ...
2015-05-30 07:32 <djphil> osGetGender is easy
2015-05-30 07:32 <dahlia> yes but we shouldnt add things to ll* functions that SL doesnt have
2015-05-30 07:32 <dahlia> thats what os functions are for
2015-05-30 07:32 <djphil> Talon say SL this will have soon
2015-05-30 07:32 <dahlia> because, if we just extend ll* to do whatever we want, we will eventually have a conflict
2015-05-30 07:32 <djphil> yes i understand why OS exist
2015-05-30 07:33 <dahlia> SL may change it by the time they implement it
2015-05-30 07:33 <dahlia> they often do
2015-05-30 07:34 <dahlia> more often than not from my experience
2015-05-30 07:35 <djphil> eg SL still has no function for ProjectionParams ... yet it has a long history.
2015-05-30 07:35 <djphil> There are sometimes not very fast ...
2015-05-30 07:35 <dahlia> but thats an os function isnt it?
2015-05-30 07:35 <djphil> OS have one
2015-05-30 07:36 <djphil> but not fot linked prims :p
2015-05-30 07:36 <dahlia> "patches are welcome"(tm)
2015-05-30 07:36 <djphil> Yet there osSetPrimitiveParam
2015-05-30 07:36 <djphil> yes sure, patch welcome
2015-05-30 07:36 <dahlia> (except maybe patches that alter ll* functions :P)
2015-05-30 07:37 <djphil> gradually it is full
2015-05-30 07:37 <dahlia> anyway it's there and I'm not planning to revert it
2015-05-30 07:38 <djphil> you have certainly noticed that we have nothing to change the materials textures (normal, specular)
2015-05-30 07:38 <djphil> SL not has nothing for it ... it's amazing
2015-05-30 07:39 <dahlia> there's a problem with that
2015-05-30 07:46 <osmantis> Bug #7591:04 [SCRIPT] llCastray v3 bugs report 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7591 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2015-05-30 08:13 <osmantis> Bug #7591:04 [SCRIPT] llCastray v3 bugs report 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7591 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2015-05-30 08:16 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-30 08:22 <osmantis> Bug #7593:04 High memory usage when avatar arrives and is never released 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7593 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-30 12:38 <osmantis> Bug #7591:04 [SCRIPT] llCastray v3 bugs report 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7591 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-30 13:24 <osmantis> Bug #7593:04 High memory usage when avatar arrives and is never released 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7593 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-30 13:42 <osmantis> Bug #7593:04 High memory usage when avatar arrives and is never released 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7593 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-30 13:51 <osmantis> Bug #7593:04 High memory usage when avatar arrives and is never released 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7593 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-30 13:58 <osmantis> Bug #7593:04 High memory usage when avatar arrives and is never released 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7593 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-30 14:14 <osmantis> Bug #7593:04 High memory usage when avatar arrives and is never released 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7593 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-30 14:17 <osmantis> Bug #7593:04 High memory usage when avatar arrives and is never released 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7593 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-30 14:29 <osmantis> Bug #7593:04 High memory usage when avatar arrives and is never released 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7593 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-30 14:42 <osmantis> Bug #7593:04 High memory usage when avatar arrives and is never released 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7593 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-30 14:43 <osmantis> Bug #7593:04 High memory usage when avatar arrives and is never released 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7593 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007567.
2015-05-30 14:43 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007593.
2015-05-30 15:26 <smxy> nebadon: Is the nebadon2025 grid down?
2015-05-30 16:11 <nebadon> hey sorry smxy was afk, yea it down at the moment I will bring it back up soon
2015-05-30 16:11 <nebadon> I am heading out for a bit, be back later :)
2015-05-30 16:13 <osmantis> Bug #7594:04 Inventory broken with duplicate requests for the same folder 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7594 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-30 16:15 <osmantis> Bug #7594:04 Inventory broken with duplicate requests for the same folder 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7594 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-30 16:16 <osmantis> Bug #7594:04 Inventory broken with duplicate requests for the same folder 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7594 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007564.
2015-05-30 16:16 <osmantis> Bug #7564:04 Inventory download hangs temporarily or permanently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7564 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007594.
2015-05-30 19:28 <osmantis> Bug #7595:04 Global LSL List empty upon reset when assigned in state_entry 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7595 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-30 20:00 <Melanie_T> djphil: even a full mesh body avatar must still wear a shape, although it' overridden
2015-05-30 20:00 <Melanie_T> therefore it is of course up to the user to wear a dummy shape of the gender they are
2015-05-30 20:01 <Melanie_T> but if and when they do, gender determination via osGetGender works even with full mesh, using the still-worn shape
2015-05-30 20:02 <Melanie_T> it is in the avatar's own interest to wear an appropriate shape, as not doing so would result in wrong sit poses (e.g. spread legged pose assigned to a female mesh avatar wearing a male dummy shape), not good.
2015-05-30 20:02 <Melanie_T> so we can expect those who don't already wear a proper shape to begin doing so
2015-05-30 20:03 <Melanie_T> dahlia: i agree with threalevel - none on this one :)
2015-05-30 20:03 <Melanie_T> it has to work globally to be of any use
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2015-05-30 20:26 <dahlia> Melanie_T: OMG you're agreeing with me?!?! *checks pulse*
2015-05-30 20:27 <djphil> Melanie_T : ok so if I understand you correctly, the shape of a mesh avatar will overhidden and will have no gender but Sahe will still be used to allow the avatar to sit properly, correct?
2015-05-30 20:27 <dahlia> ya I couldn't think of any reason why anyone wouldn't want it, but you never know these days...
2015-05-30 20:28 <dahlia> djphil: no I don't think a mesh avatar will override the setting
2015-05-30 20:28 <dahlia> it's just an attachment; the original shape still exists
2015-05-30 20:29 <djphil> hmmm for mesh, the rig is overhidden ...
2015-05-30 20:29 <dahlia> no
2015-05-30 20:30 <dahlia> the original shape and default mesh still exist
2015-05-30 20:30 <dahlia> you can hide it with alpha layers
2015-05-30 20:30 <dahlia> but it's still there
2015-05-30 20:30 <djphil> yes that i understand
2015-05-30 20:30 <djphil> but the original shape have a rig
2015-05-30 20:30 <djphil> and the avatar mesh too
2015-05-30 20:31 <dahlia> yes and they are both used
2015-05-30 20:31 <dahlia> and both rendered
2015-05-30 20:31 <djphil> one have priority then ...
2015-05-30 20:31 <dahlia> no
2015-05-30 20:31 <djphil> hmmm all avatar mesh can't have same animations
2015-05-30 20:31 <dahlia> rigged mesh attachments do not alter the shape or the skeleton
2015-05-30 20:32 <dahlia> they only use it, they do not modify it
2015-05-30 20:32 <dahlia> animations apply to the skeleton, not to the mesh
2015-05-30 20:33 <dahlia> well... morphs, which are a property of the default avatar only, can be animated. This is how lip sync works
2015-05-30 20:33 <dahlia> but thats different than normal animations
2015-05-30 20:34 <djphil> for you, skeleton = armature ?
2015-05-30 20:34 <dahlia> the names are often synonymous
2015-05-30 20:35 <dahlia> as opposed to morph targets which are settings like eyebrow position or whatnot
2015-05-30 20:36 <djphil> animation lips and hands animations do not work if the avatar is a mesh
2015-05-30 20:36 <dahlia> unless you use the default head with your mesh body
2015-05-30 20:37 <dahlia> or if you are a clever modeler, you could probably just use the default lips
2015-05-30 20:37 <djphil> and when you import a mesh you import options priority Rig
2015-05-30 20:38 <dahlia> Ive not seen that option
2015-05-30 20:38 <dahlia> Ive seen options for importing weights
2015-05-30 20:39 <dahlia> weights is how each "bone" affects each vertex in the mesh as the skeleton is animated
2015-05-30 20:40 <dahlia> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mesh/Mesh_Asset_Format
2015-05-30 20:41 <djphil> when you export a mesh avatar from Blender to OS ... you need to select armature + mesh to export ... and when you import it you need to chech weight and joint position
2015-05-30 20:42 <djphil> if you don't check it, your rig isn't priotitary
2015-05-30 20:42 <djphil> or i have wrong ...
2015-05-30 20:42 <dahlia> isnt what?
2015-05-30 20:43 <dahlia> you may be confusing blender workflow terminology with how the avatar works
2015-05-30 20:43 <djphil> priority*
2015-05-30 20:43 <djphil> ^^
2015-05-30 20:44 <dahlia> I find no definition of (or mention of) "priority" related to the implementation of rigged mesh
2015-05-30 20:44 <djphil> ok so this is weight wich are overhidden then
2015-05-30 20:44 <dahlia> plese provide a reference
2015-05-30 20:45 <djphil> Priority is for example if you use an avatar mesh + a mesh skirt
2015-05-30 20:45 <dahlia> ?
2015-05-30 20:45 <djphil> only the rig with import options checked is priority
2015-05-30 20:46 <dahlia> where does the term "priority" come from?
2015-05-30 20:47 <djphil> I think I read this somewhere at
2015-05-30 20:48 <djphil> interessing url : Mesh_Asset_Format, ty :)
2015-05-30 20:49 <dahlia> np
2015-05-30 20:51 <djphil> i see what i whant to say on this page @ Upload Mesh file to SL #5
2015-05-30 20:51 <djphil> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mesh/Uploading_and_wearing_a_rigged_mesh
2015-05-30 20:51 <djphil> 5 .Select the Joint Positions checkbox.
2015-05-30 20:51 <djphil> Note: Attaching a rigged mesh with joint positions will override your avatar skeleton joint positions, and may make your arms/legs/back/neck longer/shorter, eyes pop out, etc.
2015-05-30 20:51 <djphil> You can use the mouse to zoom in on the preview window or rotate the mesh.
2015-05-30 20:52 <djphil> so isn't "priority" but is "override"
2015-05-30 20:53 <djphil> I am looking forward to testing osGetGender.
2015-05-30 20:54 <dahlia> well gender is upstream of skeleton transformations, so no, a mesh shouldnt alter it
2015-05-30 20:54 <dahlia> "it" being the setting in the appearance editor
2015-05-30 20:55 <djphil> ok we'll see if I wear a male shape + a mesh avatar if osGetGender says I am a male
2015-05-30 20:55 <dahlia> as for what your mesh looks like, well.. it could look like a sea urchan
2015-05-30 20:56 <dahlia> osGetGender returns a value based on the "male" and "female" radio buttons on the appearance editor
2015-05-30 20:56 <dahlia> nothing more
2015-05-30 20:56 <djphil> ok
2015-05-30 20:57 <djphil> a good idea for neutral avatar perhaps?
2015-05-30 20:57 <dahlia> there is currently no option in the viewer to select anything other than male or female
2015-05-30 20:57 <djphil> true
2015-05-30 20:58 <dahlia> however, the value as in the protocol has 256 possible values
2015-05-30 20:58 <djphil> there has hope so ...
2015-05-30 20:59 <dahlia> but, osGetGender only returns "male" and "female" and "unknown", where "unknown" usually is from some error condition
2015-05-30 20:59 <djphil> ha ok
2015-05-30 21:01 <djphil> so we can consider that if osGetGender return "unknow" we have a mistake somewhere and we should try to change shape to correct this error
2015-05-30 21:01 <dahlia> yes, a mistake like the avatar isnt in the region or the key value was improperly formated
2015-05-30 21:02 <djphil> ok, god to know, ty
2015-05-30 22:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #4196 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-05-30 22:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4196: SUCCESS in 9 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4196/
2015-05-30 22:20 <osjenkins> dahlia: Add an entry for osGetGender to config-include/osslEnable.ini. Thanks to Austin Tate for the suggestion.
2015-05-31 03:33 <osmantis> Bug #7596:04 Dormant particle system activates when a prim is edited or selected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7596 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-31 04:03 <osmantis> Bug #7597:04 Ghost parcel lines since change to limit distance parcel data is sent out to viewers. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7597 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-05-31 04:42 <osmantis> Bug #7592:04 Terrain only shows to 256m even when view distance is 512m, objects show to 512m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7592 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-31 08:14 <osmantis> Bug #7592:04 Terrain only shows to 256m even when view distance is 512m, objects show to 512m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7592 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-31 08:30 <osmantis> Bug #7597:04 Ghost parcel lines since change to limit distance parcel data is sent out to viewers. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7597 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-05-31 12:50 <JeffKelley> Should llGiveInventory work grid-wide?
2015-05-31 18:45 <Plugh> Is the wiki page at http://opensimulator.org/wiki/IRegionModule up-to-date for OpenSim 0.8.1?
2015-05-31 18:46 <JeffKelley> or thos one? http://opensimulator.org/wiki/New_Region_Modules
2015-05-31 18:47 <JeffKelley> there is also  http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_Region_Modules and http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_Region_Modules/New
2015-05-31 18:48 <JeffKelley> needs some cleanup
2015-05-31 18:48 <Plugh> Oh, joy. Nothing like having a "definitive" bit of information  :P
2015-05-31 18:49 <Plugh> nebadon: ping
2015-05-31 18:49 <AllenKerensky> its a wiki - if you're reading it, you're also able to contribute to it =)
2015-05-31 18:49 <Plugh> I would but I don't know if it is correct or not so I'm not going to start changing the docs.
2015-05-31 18:49 <AllenKerensky> the old style IRegion stuff should still work but I haven't tested it
2015-05-31 18:49 <AllenKerensky> well, the test would be to build the example and validate it works
2015-05-31 18:49 <Plugh> Robust is spitting out what I hope is just a complaint when I start it about the ossearch and osprofile modules.
2015-05-31 18:50 <AllenKerensky> ah these are for the osgrid ones? you may need to change 1 line in each module and recompile
2015-05-31 18:50 <Plugh> WARNING: The add-in 'OpenSimProfile,0.3' is trying to extend '/OpenSim/RegionModules', but there isn't any add-in defining this extension point
2015-05-31 18:50 <Plugh> WARNING: The add-in 'OpenSimProfile,0.3' is trying to extend '/OpenSim/RegionModules/OpenSimProfile.Modules.OpenProfile.OpenProfileModule', but there isn't any add-in defining this extension point
2015-05-31 18:51 <AllenKerensky> change [assembly: AddinDependency("OpenSim", "0.5")] to [assembly: AddinDependency("OpenSim.Region.Framework", OpenSim.VersionInfo.VersionNumber)] and recompile
2015-05-31 18:51 <Plugh> yea. I think it is only the extension path line that needs changing. Wasn't 100% sur.e
2015-05-31 18:51 <Plugh> Oh. That line? hm... ok. I'll try that.
2015-05-31 18:53 <JeffKelley> is osprofile a replacement for Profiles V2 ?
2015-05-31 18:53 <Plugh> No. The other way around
2015-05-31 18:54 <Plugh> First there was osprofile then a more full featured built-in profile system was added.
2015-05-31 18:54 <Plugh> more complete
2015-05-31 18:55 <Plugh> I still use the osprofile and ossearch modules. I haven't migrated to the built-in replacements yet.
2015-05-31 18:57 <Plugh> AllenKerensky: I still get the same warnings.
2015-05-31 18:58 <Plugh> I'm going to try the change to [Extension(Path...
2015-05-31 19:02 <Plugh> Nope. Didn't change anything.
2015-05-31 19:03 <AllenKerensky> after changing the lines - you may need to rebuild after doing a clean
2015-05-31 19:04 <AllenKerensky> something like xbuild /t:clean ; ./runprebuild.sh autoclean ; ./runprebuild.sh vs2010 ; xbuild
2015-05-31 19:04 <Plugh> oh, ty. I couldn't figure out how to do a clean using xbuild
2015-05-31 19:06 <AllenKerensky> I've gotten in the habit of doing one of those every build now
2015-05-31 19:06 <AliciaRaven> Plugh, if there is a dir in the bin named addin-db- followed by numbers u need to delete it, the contents are generated at runtime and could contain old configs that break things, was one of the problems i had with the changes
2015-05-31 19:09 <Plugh> ok, I removed the dir but still no joy.
2015-05-31 19:10 <AliciaRaven> let me check my modules, i have a few including ossearch
2015-05-31 19:11 <AliciaRaven> in OpenSearch.cs above the class definition you should have..
2015-05-31 19:11 <AliciaRaven> [Extension(Path = "/OpenSim/RegionModules", NodeName = "RegionModule")]
2015-05-31 19:12 <AliciaRaven> then inside AssemblyInfo.cs you need...
2015-05-31 19:12 <AliciaRaven> [assembly: Addin("OpenSimSearch", OpenSim.VersionInfo.VersionNumber + ".1")]
2015-05-31 19:12 <AliciaRaven> [assembly: AddinDependency("OpenSim.Region.Framework", OpenSim.VersionInfo.VersionNumber)]
2015-05-31 19:12 <AliciaRaven> [assembly: AddinDescription("OpenSimSearch Plugin.")]
2015-05-31 19:12 <AliciaRaven> [assembly: AddinAuthor("Unknown")]
2015-05-31 19:12 <AliciaRaven> also, [assembly: AssemblyVersion("0.8.2.*")]
2015-05-31 19:13 <AliciaRaven> that should be all thje mono addins code u need in there
2015-05-31 19:15 <Plugh> oh, yeah. There was that whole version numbering system change a while back.
2015-05-31 19:16 <nebadon> hey Plugh
2015-05-31 19:17 <Plugh> hey, nebadon. Just getting ready to test out 0.8.1PF but found Robust is complaining about something not right with ossearch and osprofile modules.
2015-05-31 19:17 <nebadon> hmm danbanner might recall what you need to do to fix that
2015-05-31 19:17 <nebadon> I think its how modules load
2015-05-31 19:18 <nebadon> if i recall its like a 1 line fix to the code
2015-05-31 19:18 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: um... which AssemblyInfo.cs file? Don't I just put that in the main .cs file for the module?
2015-05-31 19:18 <AliciaRaven> it will work in either, usual place is AssemblyInfo.cs in the properties folder
2015-05-31 19:18 <Plugh> I think AliciaRaven is on the right track. Some of that looks familiar.
2015-05-31 19:19 <Plugh> It has been a while since changes to the modules were discussed here.
2015-05-31 19:20 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: I'm a somewhat functional C# programmer. I don't know what the properties folder is or where I'd find it. ossearch and osprofile are simple modules that have little more than a prebuild.xml file and one .cs file each.
2015-05-31 19:21 <AliciaRaven> you can place it above the class after the using lines i think, it all compiles to the same
2015-05-31 19:21 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: If those changes would work in the module .cs file I can do that. It will keep the changes local to the modules source tree.
2015-05-31 19:21 <Plugh> ok
2015-05-31 19:22 <Plugh> I'm surprised the need for changes to the modules weren't noticed earlier, unless they were already done for osgrid but not mentioned in a bug report.
2015-05-31 19:22 <AliciaRaven> in Visual Studio, if u open opensim and the OpenSearch project in the tree, there will be a folder called properties which has the AssemblyInfo.cs file inside, aswell as that there is the references and another folder named SearchModule that has the main module class inside
2015-05-31 19:23 <nebadon> danbanner made the adjustments for osgrid
2015-05-31 19:23 <nebadon> I thought we had discussed it with you previously though plugh
2015-05-31 19:23 <nebadon> it was a while ago though
2015-05-31 19:23 <Plugh> I'm running Linux so no Visual Studio here.
2015-05-31 19:23 <Plugh> yea, it was a while ago. The changes don't seem to have made their way in to the module repos.
2015-05-31 19:24 <AliciaRaven> well in the file system you will see it as \addon-modules\OpenSimSearch\Modules\Properties\AssemblyInfo.cs
2015-05-31 19:24 <Plugh> The code should have been branched and the changes put in to HEAD back then
2015-05-31 19:24 <AllenKerensky> i don't think they have
2015-05-31 19:24 <nebadon> if I recall at the tmie Plugh it was like right when you started having computer problems
2015-05-31 19:25 <nebadon> and were unable to push new code
2015-05-31 19:25 <AliciaRaven> if u cant find that file, put it in the main cs file, it all compiles to the same thing
2015-05-31 19:25 <Plugh> nebadon: oh. That could explain why. :)  Perhaps when the mother board of my main computer died.
2015-05-31 19:25 <nebadon> yes I beleive so
2015-05-31 19:26 <Plugh> This is why it is useful to file bug reports (or perhaps one was filed and I haven't checked recently).
2015-05-31 19:26 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, i created a new mantis for that parcel bug btw
2015-05-31 19:26 <nebadon> ok thanks
2015-05-31 19:27 <nebadon> if you see misterblue I would suggest mentioning it to him
2015-05-31 19:28 <AliciaRaven> i pinged him the other day but he wasnt around
2015-05-31 19:29 <AliciaRaven> i disabled the parcel update distance limit in my ini and the ghost parcels went away
2015-05-31 19:29 <nebadon> ok
2015-05-31 19:29 <Plugh> ssm2017 did file a bug report. Ah. The report points to yet another wiki page -> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Developing_OpenSim_Addins
2015-05-31 19:30 <AliciaRaven> whats the bug with addins?
2015-05-31 19:31 <Plugh> Gotta love the Wiki  :P
2015-05-31 19:32 <AliciaRaven> ah i see
2015-05-31 19:34 <Plugh> I'm taking a guess that the +".1" should be replaced with the modules version number?
2015-05-31 19:34 <AliciaRaven> yea, but its not worked on anymore is it? will always be 1
2015-05-31 19:35 <AliciaRaven> will it compile?
2015-05-31 19:36 <Plugh> I maintain the ossearch and osprofile modules.
2015-05-31 19:37 <Plugh> I'm still using them.
2015-05-31 19:39 <Plugh> ok, thanks AliciaRaven. That fixed the two modules.
2015-05-31 19:39 <Plugh> I'll update the code in the forge repos and close out the related bug reports later.
2015-05-31 19:40 <AliciaRaven> cool, np
2015-05-31 20:02 <Plugh> Is AssemblyVersion actually needed? It isn't listed in the wiki page and seems to be ok without it. If it is to be included, wouldn't it be 0.8.0.* rather than 0.8.2.*?
2015-05-31 20:33 <Plugh> Got two modules working ok but I can't get a custom module working properly. Get those same complaints as I got with search and profile. Applied the needed changes but it still complains.
2015-05-31 21:30 <Plugh> I found a bug in the migration process. It updates the migration table even if an exception is triggered and the DB change is rolled back.
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2015-06-01 14:40 <Plugh> Morning, nebadon
2015-06-01 14:41 <nebadon> hello :)
2015-06-01 14:42 <Plugh> I updated osprofile and ossearch last night so they load under 0.8.1
2015-06-01 14:42 <nebadon> nice
2015-06-01 14:43 <Plugh> I also updated them so they return a more specific module name instead of just SearchModule and Profile module so as to avoid confusion with any built-in equivalent.
2015-06-01 14:43 <nebadon> great, good idea
2015-06-01 14:43 <Plugh> yea. I couldn't find them in the loaded module list until I realized what name they were registering. :)
2015-06-01 14:44 <Plugh> If you have time, would you check the SVN osprofile against the one you are using in osgrid to see if there are any other changes that were made to it which aren't in the bug report?
2015-06-01 14:45 <nebadon> ok ya I do not think there was any other changes
2015-06-01 14:46 <nebadon> i'll check with danbanner but im pretty sure that was only thing 
2015-06-01 14:46 <Plugh> There might be in ossearch. ssm2017 provided a patch to fix the loading and also provided some other changes.
2015-06-01 14:46 <Plugh> ok, ty. Just want to make sure that nothing gets lost if other changes were applied.
2015-06-01 15:03 <Plugh> When I log in to my standalone I see the console saying "No grid user for <uuid>". The UUID doesn't exist in my UserAccounts table and it isn't in my friends list. What might be triggering that message to be output?
2015-06-01 15:08 <nebadon> hmm maybe something you are wearing?
2015-06-01 15:08 <nebadon> for CreatorID
2015-06-01 15:13 <Plugh> I just create some very basic clothing for myself in my standalone.
2015-06-01 15:15 <Plugh> I'll track it down later. I can do DB dumps then search the dumps to find it.
2015-06-01 15:41 <Plugh> hm... this is strange. I didn't get that unknown user message this time.
2015-06-01 16:58 <osmantis> Bug #7598:04 Limit see and chat with avatars of others parcels do not work (Parcel Privacy) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7598 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-01 17:27 <osmantis> Bug #7596:04 Dormant particle system activates when a prim is edited or selected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7596 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-01 17:33 <osmantis> Bug #7591:04 [SCRIPT] llCastray v3 bugs report 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7591 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-06-01 17:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #4197 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-01 17:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4197: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4197/
2015-06-01 17:42 <osjenkins> * nebadon2025: Correct constant RCERR_CAST_TIME_EXCEEDED.
2015-06-01 17:42 <osjenkins> * nebadon2025: Improve configuration description for llCastRay V3.
2015-06-01 17:57 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-01 18:12 <osmantis> Bug #7595:04 Global LSL List empty upon reset when assigned in state_entry 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7595 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-01 18:47 <Plugh> Are there any viewer devs here to answer a question or three?
2015-06-01 18:51 <nebadon> LiruCookies and SianaGearz are Singularity Devs, Tank_Master is a Firestorm dev
2015-06-01 18:52 <nebadon> if you see notskittles they may be able to help too, not here at the moment
2015-06-01 18:52 <Plugh> but are they here or sleeping/afk?
2015-06-01 18:53 <nebadon> that I can not say :)
2015-06-01 18:53 <nebadon> you could try #singularityviewer
2015-06-01 18:53 <Plugh> An enhancement request said it would be nice if the Notify feature worked that is in the search results when searching events. I'm wondering what the button actually does.
2015-06-01 18:54 <Plugh> ok, I can do that.
2015-06-01 19:05 <Plugh> Found the answer using WinGridProxy. It sends a message to OpenSimulator. Not sure what it is supposed to do with the message.
2015-06-01 19:06 <nebadon> try on SL?
2015-06-01 19:19 <Plugh> Supposed to IM you, AFAICT. Not sure how much in advance it will do that.
2015-06-01 19:20 <osmantis> Bug #7591:04 [SCRIPT] llCastray v3 bugs report 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7591 ): has been REOPENED.
2015-06-01 19:25 <osmantis> Bug #7591:04 [SCRIPT] llCastray v3 bugs report 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7591 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-01 21:34 <osmantis> Bug #7594:04 Inventory broken with duplicate requests for the same folder 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7594 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-01 21:43 <osmantis> Bug #7594:04 Inventory broken with duplicate requests for the same folder 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7594 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-01 22:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #4198 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-01 22:12 <osmantis> Bug #7594:04 Inventory broken with duplicate requests for the same folder 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7594 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-01 22:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4198: FAILURE in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4198/
2015-06-01 22:16 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7594. This should be functionally equivalent to what it was, but just in case mono has a bug in List<T>.Find, here is the Linq equivalent of distinct-ness.
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2015-06-01 23:21 <LiruCookies> Plugh: you left #SingularityViewer ...
2015-06-01 23:22 <LiruCookies> You waited all of fourteen minutes too...
2015-06-01 23:22 <Plugh> Yes, I found the basic info I needed.
2015-06-01 23:22 <Plugh> LiruCookies: I've seen people wait a lot less than that. :)
2015-06-01 23:22 <LiruCookies> oki, so you have what you need?
2015-06-01 23:23 <LiruCookies> So you know EventInfoRequest and EventInfoReply are needed?
2015-06-01 23:23 <Plugh> yea, I posted the answer to my own question where I said the button sends a message back to the grid code. The question came up in a bug report so I was looking to see how easy it might be to implement the feature.
2015-06-01 23:23 <Plugh> ossearch is already capable of retrieving event listings.
2015-06-01 23:24 <LiruCookies> But EventInfoRequest is only sent out for the notifier
2015-06-01 23:26 <Plugh> ossearch hooks EventInfoRequest and I see it can send EventInfoReply.
2015-06-01 23:26 <AliciaRaven> Plugh, i already have events fixed in ossearch if u want the code im happy to share
2015-06-01 23:26 <AliciaRaven> to display events on world map right?
2015-06-01 23:27 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: Yes, I got that working some time ago. If something about it isn't working right I'll be happy to look at what you have.
2015-06-01 23:27 <AliciaRaven> k, what is it thats not working?
2015-06-01 23:27 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: That is what I was asking you.
2015-06-01 23:27 <Plugh> When did you update your copy of ossearch?
2015-06-01 23:28 <AliciaRaven> long time ago, i thought it was abandoned until you said u maintained it yesterday
2015-06-01 23:29 <Plugh> LiruCookies: To support the Notify feature I think a module(?) needs to be created that will handle the add/delete notification messages from the viewer, be able to save them (in a database), and has a timer or some other mechanism to spit out the notification messages to the user.
2015-06-01 23:30 <LiruCookies> EventNotificationAddRequest and EventNotificationRemoveRequest
2015-06-01 23:31 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: It had been mostly abandoned. I use it so I've been doing work on it now and then. I started making changes to it back in 2010 (r124). The problem with having markers on the map was that the Open Simulator code was missing the support for the markers to appear.
2015-06-01 23:31 <Plugh> LiruCookies: Yes, those were the two I discovered when I ran WinGridProxy and clicked the Notify button.
2015-06-01 23:34 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: My last mod to ossearch relating to events was made 2014-05-12 14:08:20 -0400
2015-06-01 23:36 <Plugh> LiruCookies: I haven't looked at the OS code yet to see if those two messages can be received by a module without a lot of code changes.
2015-06-01 23:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #4199 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4197 6 hr 5 min ago)
2015-06-01 23:37 <osmantis> Bug #7594:04 Inventory broken with duplicate requests for the same folder 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7594 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-01 23:38 <Plugh> LiruCookies: Now that I'm thinking about it, a module just needs to handle the saving/deleting of the notification requests. A separate cron job outside of OS could handle the actual delivery of the IM's to notify a user about an event.
2015-06-01 23:40 <Plugh> I could add the add/save to ossearch. It would need an extra table to save the information.
2015-06-01 23:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4199: STILL FAILING in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4199/
2015-06-01 23:42 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: More on mantis #7594, this a=time addressing the reported exception, which seems to be a separate issue from the duplicate folders.
2015-06-01 23:44 <Plugh> One of these days I'll finish the work I was doing on a page to enter an event and store it in the event database table.
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2015-06-02 01:37 <osmantis> Bug #7594:04 Inventory broken with duplicate requests for the same folder 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7594 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 01:50 <osmantis> Bug #7594:04 Inventory broken with duplicate requests for the same folder 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7594 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 01:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #4200 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4197 8 hr 25 min ago)
2015-06-02 01:57 <osmantis> Bug #7594:04 Inventory broken with duplicate requests for the same folder 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7594 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 02:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4200: STILL FAILING in 4 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4200/
2015-06-02 02:02 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7594. Fixing the broken code I just introduced.
2015-06-02 02:04 <osmantis> Bug #7594:04 Inventory broken with duplicate requests for the same folder 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7594 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 02:09 <osmantis> Bug #7594:04 Inventory broken with duplicate requests for the same folder 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7594 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 02:11 <nebadon> diva i just tried updating and it fails to compile
2015-06-02 02:11 <nebadon> i get an error
2015-06-02 02:11 <nebadon> let me make sure and do it again
2015-06-02 02:12 <nebadon> oh wierd ya nevermind i just looked closer at error its one of the modules 
2015-06-02 02:12 <nebadon> thats odd
2015-06-02 02:12 <danbanner> said 111 warnings 0 errors
2015-06-02 02:12 <danbanner> for me
2015-06-02 02:13 <nebadon> yea i did a runprebuild autoclean and xbuild /t:Clean trying again
2015-06-02 02:16 <nebadon> ya wierd my addon-modules folder got whacked, not sure why, i erased and recopied now its fine
2015-06-02 02:18 <nebadon> ya my inventory seems stuck
2015-06-02 02:18 <nebadon> stuck on 13 items
2015-06-02 02:19 <osmantis> Bug #7594:04 Inventory broken with duplicate requests for the same folder 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7594 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 02:19 <osmantis> Bug #7594:04 Inventory broken with duplicate requests for the same folder 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7594 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 02:20 <danbanner> ya 
2015-06-02 02:22 <danbanner> all loaded fine after another relog back to previous build
2015-06-02 02:25 <nebadon> diva , jenkins is failing unit test
2015-06-02 02:29 <diva> got it
2015-06-02 03:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #4201 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4197 9 hr 33 min ago)
2015-06-02 03:07 <osmantis> Bug #7594:04 Inventory broken with duplicate requests for the same folder 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7594 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 03:10 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-06-02 03:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4201: FIXED in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4201/
2015-06-02 03:10 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7594: putting things as they were before regarding duplicate removal. Also added test to check that duplicates are being removed. The test passes. I have no idea how duplicates would not be removed, as reported in the mantis.
2015-06-02 03:23 <osmantis> Bug #7594:04 Inventory broken with duplicate requests for the same folder 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7594 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 03:51 <nebadon> seems to be working again danbanner
2015-06-02 03:52 <osmantis> Bug #7594:04 Inventory broken with duplicate requests for the same folder 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7594 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 04:12 <osmantis> Bug #7594:04 Inventory broken with duplicate requests for the same folder 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7594 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-06-02 04:34 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 08:34 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 09:40 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 10:59 <osmantis> Bug #7599:04 "Not running" script is set to "running" after restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7599 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-02 11:36 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 11:40 <osmantis> Bug #7599:04 "Not running" script is set to "running" after restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7599 ): has been set as DUPLICATE OF issue 0007558.
2015-06-02 11:40 <osmantis> Bug #7558:04 Script status is not saved. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7558 ): The issue 0007599 has been set as DUPLICATE OF the following issue.
2015-06-02 11:52 <osmantis> Bug #7589:04 OAR save does not preserve script "running" status after load 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7589 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 15:04 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 16:01 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 16:19 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 16:21 <Plugh> Oh, nice. I can fix the TP away from vars crash in a grid via an ini change until the code is in place to do a proper fix.
2015-06-02 16:23 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 16:45 <osmantis> Bug #7595:04 Global LSL List empty upon reset when assigned in state_entry 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7595 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 17:10 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 18:30 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 19:04 <osmantis> Bug #7531:04 V2 OfflineIM messages HG to HG don't get send to the user after logging in. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7531 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 19:24 <osmantis> Bug #7531:04 V2 OfflineIM messages HG to HG don't get send to the user after logging in. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7531 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 22:13 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 22:42 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 22:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #4202 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2015-06-02 22:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4202: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4202/
2015-06-02 22:50 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7567. One of the reported log messages showed this:
2015-06-02 22:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #4203 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-02 22:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4203: SUCCESS in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4203/
2015-06-02 22:55 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: New unit tests for FetchInventory2 cap.
2015-06-02 23:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #4204 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-02 23:33 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-02 23:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4204: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4204/
2015-06-02 23:36 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: I suspect the viewer doesn't need the target of linked items inside linked folders to go in the reply of the original request. At least my tests indicate that. Pushing this out, so that others who use linked folders a lot more can verify.
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2015-06-03 08:31 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-03 09:15 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-03 10:22 <osmantis> Bug #7600:04 [XINVENTORY SERVICES CONNECTOR]: Exception in GetFolderContent: The given key was not present in the dictionary 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7600 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-03 10:56 <osmantis> Bug #7600:04 [XINVENTORY SERVICES CONNECTOR]: Exception in GetFolderContent: The given key was not present in the dictionary 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7600 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-03 11:01 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-03 12:02 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-03 14:34 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-03 15:06 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-03 15:36 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-03 19:14 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-06-03 19:30 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-03 20:58 <osmantis> Bug #7531:04 V2 OfflineIM messages HG to HG don't get send to the user after logging in. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7531 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-03 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #7531:04 V2 OfflineIM messages HG to HG don't get send to the user after logging in. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7531 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-03 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #7591:04 [SCRIPT] llCastray v3 bugs report 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7591 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-03 22:14 <osmantis> Bug #7531:04 V2 OfflineIM messages HG to HG don't get send to the user after logging in. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7531 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-03 23:35 <osmantis> Bug #7595:04 Global LSL List empty upon reset when assigned in state_entry 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7595 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-03 23:39 <osmantis> Bug #7591:04 [SCRIPT] llCastray v3 bugs report 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7591 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-06-03 23:53 <dahlia> nebadon: wb
2015-06-04 00:00 <nebadon> hello dahlia
2015-06-04 00:01 <nebadon> feel like poo
2015-06-04 00:01 <nebadon> migrane that won't quit
2015-06-04 00:01 <dahlia> ouch
2015-06-04 00:01 <nebadon> finally drug myself to cvs for some drugs
2015-06-04 00:01 <dahlia> aspirin ftw
2015-06-04 00:01 <nebadon> starting to feel a little more human
2015-06-04 00:43 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 00:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #4205 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-04 00:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4205: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4205/
2015-06-04 00:53 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7567: added an 8-sec expiring item cache to the inventory network connector. This fixed the problem on my local test grid and generally made things faster. This cache has been needed for a while... there are many parts in the code where the sim gets an item multiple times in a short amount of time (rezzing attachs and objects, for example).
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2015-06-04 06:11 <osmantis> Bug #7591:04 [SCRIPT] llCastray v3 bugs report 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7591 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 07:15 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 07:36 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 08:19 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 08:21 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 08:25 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 08:59 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 09:36 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 11:09 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 11:19 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 11:45 <JunkHunk> hello how do I fix this error?: http://pastebin.com/EtscrdmF
2015-06-04 11:51 <AliciaRaven> you have no HomeURI specified in the [HGAssetService] section of the config
2015-06-04 11:57 <JunkHunk> oh
2015-06-04 11:57 <JunkHunk> how come? it is a diva installation
2015-06-04 11:57 <JunkHunk> I never modify the opensim.ini
2015-06-04 11:57 <JunkHunk> anyway I will check it thank you very much
2015-06-04 12:00 <AliciaRaven> im not familiar with diva distro, but thats what the message seems to be saying, asset service url not set some where
2015-06-04 12:01 <JunkHunk> it is under bin/configinclude/myworld.ini
2015-06-04 12:01 <JunkHunk> and there is a url already specified
2015-06-04 12:02 <JunkHunk> it says: [HGAssetService]
2015-06-04 12:02 <JunkHunk>     ProfileServerURI = "http://192.168.0.102:9000/profiles"
2015-06-04 12:03 <AliciaRaven> is there no value named HomeURI?
2015-06-04 12:03 <JunkHunk> nope thats the point
2015-06-04 12:03 <JunkHunk> I need to add it
2015-06-04 12:03 <JunkHunk> I guess
2015-06-04 12:03 <JunkHunk> but...
2015-06-04 12:03 <JunkHunk> I dont know what to do with this profilesserveruri?
2015-06-04 12:03 <JunkHunk> I will leave it alongsied
2015-06-04 13:47 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 13:54 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 13:56 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 13:58 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 14:00 <AliciaRaven> how can changes to inventory systems cause parcel data to be lost? lol
2015-06-04 14:00 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 14:01 <diva> sigh
2015-06-04 14:03 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 14:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #4206 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-04 14:04 <AliciaRaven> diva, could i ask u a quick question?
2015-06-04 14:04 <diva> yes
2015-06-04 14:04 <AliciaRaven> i have some stats that i need to update about every 30 seconds, im using a threading.timer, do you think it would be more efficient to use the sims heatbeat event with a counter to do the job every x heartbeats?
2015-06-04 14:05 <diva> one timer should be fine
2015-06-04 14:05 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 14:06 <AliciaRaven> k thanks, so the timer is better or no performance gain either way?
2015-06-04 14:07 <diva> it depends.
2015-06-04 14:08 <diva> hooking on the hearbeat is faster, but you're hooking on the heartbeat, which means that your code will be affecting what heppens in that computing cycle; it's a bit more risky if your code is buggy.
2015-06-04 14:08 <diva> the timer makes it completely separate
2015-06-04 14:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4206: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4206/
2015-06-04 14:09 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7567. Once again, avoiding prefetching  linked items within linked folders. Also fixing the inventory connector GetMultipleItems, so that if everything is in the cache, it returns successfully rather than unsuccessfully.
2015-06-04 14:09 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 14:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #4207 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-04 14:10 <osmantis> Bug #7531:04 V2 OfflineIM messages HG to HG don't get send to the user after logging in. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7531 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 14:10 <AliciaRaven> its just some quick math to regenerate health levels in an rpg style system, not much room for bugs really
2015-06-04 14:11 <diva> yeah, that's why I said it depends... if it's simple, hooking on the heartbeat is fine. But you know how those "simple" things sometimes eveolve...
2015-06-04 14:13 <AliciaRaven> yea lol probably better leave it as a timer, im sure i will find more things i need it to do in the future, thanks for the info :)
2015-06-04 14:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4207: SUCCESS in 4 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4207/
2015-06-04 14:15 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Making the inventory cache static, so that there's less timers.
2015-06-04 14:15 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 14:16 <nebadon> diva do these fixes require robust updates?
2015-06-04 14:17 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 15:01 <diva> nebadon: no
2015-06-04 15:03 <nebadon> ok I didnt think os
2015-06-04 15:03 <nebadon> so*
2015-06-04 15:03 <nebadon> thanks
2015-06-04 15:06 <Velus> nebadon, IS THERE ANY WAY TO LOAD BALANCE OPENSIM?
2015-06-04 15:06 <nebadon> the simulator?
2015-06-04 15:07 <nebadon> not really, Intel attempted to do something called Distributed Scene graph, but from what I have heard and know, it actually performs much worse than a single simulator did
2015-06-04 15:07 <nebadon> had lots of bugs, and needed  alot more work to be complete, however I suspect at this point it is pretty much been abandoned
2015-06-04 15:07 <nebadon> it is possible that MOSES grid will continue development of it in the future, but I can not say for sure
2015-06-04 15:09 <nebadon> personally I think the simulator itself needs a vast amount of performance improvement before load balancing is a viable option
2015-06-04 15:09 <Velus> ok i thought so dam but i could split up the whole robust into different servers#
2015-06-04 15:09 <nebadon> load balancing at this stage is a bandaid that is just masking other key issues
2015-06-04 15:09 <nebadon> yes sort of
2015-06-04 15:09 <nebadon> depending on if you want hypergrid or not
2015-06-04 15:09 <nebadon> if you intend to hypergrid you can not split the login service up
2015-06-04 15:11 <diva> you can
2015-06-04 15:11 <nebadon> but most of the other services can be split up easily
2015-06-04 15:11 <nebadon> everytime we have tried it fails diva
2015-06-04 15:11 <nebadon> don't know what we are missing
2015-06-04 15:11 <diva> wrong connectors, probably
2015-06-04 15:11 <nebadon> with reverse proxy
2015-06-04 15:12 <nebadon> it fails the check because port changes
2015-06-04 15:12 <diva> it used to be the case that you coul;dn't but you can now, for a while
2015-06-04 15:12 <nebadon> ok ya we havent tried in a while
2015-06-04 15:12 <nebadon> it was after you implemented all the reverse proxy stuff
2015-06-04 15:12 <nebadon> it still seemed to fail with hypergrid teleporting
2015-06-04 15:12 <nebadon> when it would compare the URL
2015-06-04 15:12 <diva> URL is still compared
2015-06-04 15:12 <nebadon> but if it does work now that is good
2015-06-04 15:12 <diva> so you need to take care of that
2015-06-04 15:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #4208 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-04 15:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4208: FAILURE in 1 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4208/
2015-06-04 15:54 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Added tests that verify the absence of the bug fixed in the previous commits (cache issues).
2015-06-04 16:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #4209 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4207 2 hr 10 min ago)
2015-06-04 16:25 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-06-04 16:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4209: FIXED in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4209/
2015-06-04 16:25 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: More assertions in inventory client tests to check for assorted combinations of cached/non-cached/existing/non-existing items
2015-06-04 16:25 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Fixed order of projects, so that the solution builds in mono.
2015-06-04 16:30 <H-H-H> i knew i pulled at the wrong time lol
2015-06-04 16:36 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 16:43 <H-H-H> hey guys i just noticed that in robust.ini.example ExportSupported = true is default however wouildnt it be better from a novice grid owners point of view to have to turn it on if required rather than just allow it by default
2015-06-04 16:44 <H-H-H> just my 2 pence worth lol :)
2015-06-04 17:31 <osmantis> Bug #7531:04 V2 OfflineIM messages HG to HG don't get send to the user after logging in. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7531 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 17:33 <AllenKerensky> H-H-H I am guessing the default true was to maintain behavior compatibility with OpenSim before tht option was added
2015-06-04 17:34 <AllenKerensky> rather than sneak in a change that people would "stumble" over for a long time coming
2015-06-04 20:45 <osmantis> Bug #7601:04 [PATCH] to fix a small typo in program.cs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7601 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-04 20:45 <osmantis> Bug #7601:04 [PATCH] to fix a small typo in program.cs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7601 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-06-04 21:02 <osmantis> Bug #7581:04 [PATCH] New metrics introduced 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7581 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 21:14 <JeffKelley> is OpenMetaverseTypes/Enums.cs up to date? I see enum InventoryType Animation = 19. However, this is 20 in the database (which is also the assetType)
2015-06-04 21:18 <JeffKelley> answer: Enums.cs is correct, inventory type 19 -> asset type 20,  inventory type 20 -> asset type 21
2015-06-04 21:19 <LiruCookies> IT_ANIMATION = 19,
2015-06-04 21:21 <JeffKelley> and 20 = gesture (asset 21); fixing the wiki
2015-06-04 21:22 <LiruCookies> They stop lining up at 17
2015-06-04 21:22 <LiruCookies> IT_ATTACHMENT and AT_SOUND_WAV
2015-06-04 21:26 <JeffKelley> hope this is correct now http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Database:Inventoryitems
2015-06-04 22:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #4210 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2015-06-04 22:06 <osmantis> Bug #7600:04 [XINVENTORY SERVICES CONNECTOR]: Exception in GetFolderContent: The given key was not present in the dictionary 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7600 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 22:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4210: SUCCESS in 4 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4210/
2015-06-04 22:09 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Trivial: fix copy-paste typo in string
2015-06-04 22:09 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7600. The warning message was not a symptom of a problem, it was just that the HG client was trying to fetch folders that aren't in the Suitcase, so that fails. This should make the warning message go away in that situation. (fetching those folders will still fail, because they aren't available over HG)
2015-06-04 22:19 <osmantis> Bug #7569:04 [BULLETSIM SHAPE] Fetched asset would not mesh. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7569 ): has been CLOSED
2015-06-04 22:19 <osmantis> Bug #7570:04 [BULLETSIM SHAPE] Fetched asset would not mesh. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7570 ): has been CLOSED
2015-06-04 22:26 <osmantis> Bug #7536:04 [COALESCED SCENE OBJECTS SERIALIZER]: Deserialization of xml failed with Root element is missing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7536 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 22:30 <osmantis> Bug #7564:04 Inventory download hangs temporarily or permanently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7564 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-06-04 22:46 <osmantis> Bug #7536:04 [COALESCED SCENE OBJECTS SERIALIZER]: Deserialization of xml failed with Root element is missing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7536 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 23:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #4211 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-04 23:18 <osmantis> Bug #7536:04 [COALESCED SCENE OBJECTS SERIALIZER]: Deserialization of xml failed with Root element is missing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7536 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-04 23:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4211: SUCCESS in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4211/
2015-06-04 23:22 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7536. This may alleviate the side effects of broken SceneObjects XML. It doesn't (can't) fix the cause.
2015-06-05 00:08 <osmantis> Bug #7252:04 Multiple right clicks in viewer causes lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7252 ): has been CLOSED
2015-06-05 00:09 <osmantis> Bug #7353:04 llGetGeometricCenter() returns the wrong vector. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7353 ): has been CLOSED
2015-06-05 01:14 <osmantis> Bug #7602:04 Boarder Crossing Crashes when suing vehicles 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7602 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-05 01:15 <osmantis> Bug #7602:04 Boarder Crossing Crashes when using vehicles 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7602 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-06-05 01:38 <osmantis> Bug #7592:04 Terrain only shows to 256m even when view distance is 512m, objects show to 512m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7592 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-05 01:55 <osmantis> Bug #7603:04 Unusually high CPU load after HG visitor attempts inventory action 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7603 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-05 02:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #4212 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-05 02:57 <osmantis> Bug #7603:04 Unusually high CPU load after HG visitor attempts inventory action 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7603 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-05 03:00 <osmantis> Bug #7603:04 Unusually high CPU load after HG visitor attempts inventory action 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7603 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-06-05 03:00 <osmantis> Bug #7600:04 [XINVENTORY SERVICES CONNECTOR]: Exception in GetFolderContent: The given key was not present in the dictionary 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7600 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-06-05 03:00 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-06-05 03:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4212: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4212/
2015-06-05 03:02 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7603 -- bad folders in inventory could produce null pointer exception. Thanks for the line numbers in the exception trace.
2015-06-05 03:26 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-06-05 08:24 <osmantis> Bug #7600:04 [XINVENTORY SERVICES CONNECTOR]: Exception in GetFolderContent: The given key was not present in the dictionary 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7600 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-05 08:53 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-05 11:39 <JunkHunk> Hello is there a way to disable scripts in opensim diva?
2015-06-05 11:41 <JunkHunk> I have three diva r25905 running on kubuntu 14.04 but there is one tha always crashes when starting scripts
2015-06-05 11:43 <JunkHunk> This one is an updated diva from the r25xx series and I built a lot there... So I would like to fix this issue
2015-06-05 11:56 <AliciaRaven> JunkHunk, have u set mono threads per cpu to a higher value?
2015-06-05 11:57 <AliciaRaven> add this line to your bash.rc file...
2015-06-05 11:57 <AliciaRaven> export MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU=1000
2015-06-05 11:58 <AliciaRaven> most startup crashes are caused because the default value is too low
2015-06-05 12:02 <AliciaRaven> another thing to try could be changing [XEngine] AppDomainLoading to either true or false, depending on what it is set to at the moment
2015-06-05 12:02 <AliciaRaven> that can cause problems on linux, not sure it its true or false that causes problems
2015-06-05 13:47 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-05 14:56 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-05 15:18 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-05 15:40 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-05 15:44 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-05 16:26 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-05 16:29 <nebadon> diva I thought interest management controlled the avatar priority loading
2015-06-05 16:29 <nebadon> thats why I do not like using BestAvatarAppearance
2015-06-05 16:29 <nebadon> it forces avatar to load first
2015-06-05 16:29 <nebadon> if you use frontback it doesnt
2015-06-05 16:30 <nebadon> I do not experience this problem, I can tell you 100% for sure that I see my region content loading well before I see attachments loading
2015-06-05 16:32 <diva> you're much closer to osgrid than Ai is
2015-06-05 16:32 <diva> I'm trying FrontBack now 
2015-06-05 16:32 <diva> with forced latency
2015-06-05 16:33 <diva> yep, same things
2015-06-05 16:35 <diva> it looks like once the viewer knows about the wears and attachs (via Current Outfit folder), it stops updating the scene until they show up
2015-06-05 16:36 <diva> it doesn't matter whether the sim is using FrontBack or BestAvatarResponsiveness
2015-06-05 16:36 <nebadon> well there isnt a whole lot we can do about high latency
2015-06-05 16:37 <nebadon> what kind of ping does he get to osgrid? did he say?
2015-06-05 16:37 <diva> there's a fair amount we can do by caching things for a short time
2015-06-05 16:37 <nebadon> cause I dont experience this on Encitra Grid
2015-06-05 16:37 <nebadon> do you?
2015-06-05 16:37 <diva> no, but 1) the sims are close to the services and 2) our avies are very simpe
2015-06-05 16:37 <diva> I'm testing with an avie wearing 20+ attachmnmets
2015-06-05 16:38 <diva> which is what Ai has
2015-06-05 16:38 <diva> and I'm forcing a latency of 300ms so that it really shows
2015-06-05 17:08 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-05 17:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #4213 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-05 17:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4213: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4213/
2015-06-05 17:19 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: The only purpose of this commit is to remove an erroneous comment. It turns out that rezzing the attachments is necessary in modern viewers too. Proof: commenting the lines below the comment results in no attachments seen in the avatar.
2015-06-05 17:19 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: More on mantis #7567. Two things:
2015-06-05 18:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #4214 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-05 18:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4214: SUCCESS in 4 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4214/
2015-06-05 18:51 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Upgraded the Simian inventory connector with an item cache, too, so that it doesn't get awfully out of sync with the improvements I'm making to the robust service connectors, which are being fully leveraged by the simulator. This Simian connector needs more love...
2015-06-05 18:52 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-05 18:53 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-05 18:55 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-05 19:18 <Plugh> I'm getting a strange error when I try and start up an instance of Open Simulator 0.8.1 -> Got a bad hardware address length for an AF_PACKET 16 8
2015-06-05 19:18 <Plugh> This is just after it outputs the four lines mentioning the WATCHDOG and just before the lines mentioning PLUGINS
2015-06-05 19:19 <nebadon> someone on osgrid channel was having that problem as well
2015-06-05 19:19 <nebadon> how odd
2015-06-05 19:19 <Plugh> yea. I'm trying to bring up a test grid before migrating a grid to 0.8.1 but I can't get the instances to start properly.
2015-06-05 19:19 <Plugh> The instance starts but it doesn't seem to load the region.
2015-06-05 19:20 <nebadon> what version of mono?
2015-06-05 19:20 <Plugh> No red text.
2015-06-05 19:20 <nebadon> from what i read on google searches it sounds like a bug in certain versions of mono
2015-06-05 19:20 <nebadon> I have never experienced it though
2015-06-05 19:20 <Plugh> 3.2.8 under CentOS 6.6 (Final)
2015-06-05 19:20 <nebadon> yea that shouldnt be a problem
2015-06-05 19:21 <nebadon> possibly a system variable for mono is wrong 
2015-06-05 19:21 <nebadon> i read something on steam or unity forums about it possibly being a permissions issue
2015-06-05 19:21 <Plugh> Its the same mono being used to run Robust that is used for the live grid.
2015-06-05 19:21 <nebadon> but they werent very clear and kind of pointed back at mono having a bug or something
2015-06-05 19:21 <nebadon> but ive run 3.2.8 for a long while with no problems
2015-06-05 19:22 <nebadon> any chance you checked the code out with one user
2015-06-05 19:22 <nebadon> then compiled it with root?
2015-06-05 19:22 <nebadon> then try to run it with non-root?
2015-06-05 19:22 <nebadon> ive done that before
2015-06-05 19:22 <Plugh> The only env settings I have re: mono are MONO_GC_PARAMS and MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU
2015-06-05 19:22 <nebadon> forgot i was SU when i compiled it
2015-06-05 19:23 <nebadon> opensim that is
2015-06-05 19:23 <Plugh> I am using the same user to check out, build, and run the code. I can reset ownership of files in case something got messed up.
2015-06-05 19:24 <nebadon> ok was just wondering
2015-06-05 19:24 <nebadon> I googled around for a bit yesterday trying to find a solution
2015-06-05 19:24 <osmantis> Bug #7599:04 "Not running" script is set to "running" after restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7599 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-06-05 19:24 <nebadon> i dont think he ever found one either
2015-06-05 19:24 <nebadon> odd though that 2 days in a row I am hearing this
2015-06-05 19:24 <nebadon> you are running release code?
2015-06-05 19:25 <nebadon> not master git?
2015-06-05 19:25 <nebadon> they were running latest osgrid release I believe
2015-06-05 19:25 <Plugh> Latest stuff in 0.8.1-post-fixes from the repos.
2015-06-05 19:25 <nebadon> hmm ok
2015-06-05 19:25 <nebadon> I have to beleive this is something with the systems themselves and not opensim itself
2015-06-05 19:25 <nebadon> it seemed to be a big problem in Unity
2015-06-05 19:26 <nebadon> but all i read was its a mono bug
2015-06-05 19:26 <Plugh> The error message isn't very helpful.
2015-06-05 19:26 <nebadon> and no one seemed to have a real solution, if you google it you will see im sure
2015-06-05 19:27 <Plugh> There is an open mantis from Dec 2014
2015-06-05 19:29 <Plugh> If I can't get this fixed I'll be stuck running 0.8.0
2015-06-05 19:31 <jakdaniels> has anyone seen this message on console every 5 seconds on a region with many neighbors? :
2015-06-05 19:31 <jakdaniels>  [XESTATE HANDLER]: query String: METHOD=update_covenant&CovenantID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&EstateID=100
2015-06-05 19:36 <osmantis> Bug #7396:04 Recording of stats triggers bad hardware address length message on console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7396 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-06-05 19:40 <Plugh> Has anything changed in the format of the regions .ini file between 0.8.0 and 0.8.1?
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2015-06-05 20:20 <diva> Plugh, usually when the regions don't load that's a problem with mono addins
2015-06-05 20:20 <diva> make sure that you start from a clean slate when upgrading to 0.8.1
2015-06-05 20:20 <diva> if you have old addins laying around, you may get into problems
2015-06-05 20:31 <Plugh> diva, ok thanks. I'll check in to that later. I'm shutting down my computer for a while. I have a thunderstorm in the area.
2015-06-05 20:32 <Plugh> hm... the dirs used to run 0.8.0 code so that could very well be a problem.
2015-06-05 20:32 <Plugh> bbl
2015-06-05 22:09 <Plugh> Here is another odd problem. I can build my OpenSim source tree just find with nant but not with xbuild. Under xbuild a custom module of mine fails to build with the following error -> error CS0104: `ExtensionAttribute' is an ambiguous reference between `Mono.Addins.ExtensionAttribute' and `System.Runtime.CompilerServices.ExtensionAttribute'
2015-06-05 22:09 <Plugh> s/find/fine/
2015-06-05 22:19 <Plugh> Now I get it to build on the remote machine by deleting a using statement instead of just commenting it out since commenting it still didn't fix the issue.
2015-06-05 22:19 <dahlia> Plugh: when that happens to me I usually just further qualify the declaration so I'm sure it's getting the one I want
2015-06-05 22:19 <Plugh> but it fails to build on my machine with that same change. ???
2015-06-05 22:20 <dahlia> I'd think it would fail anywhere
2015-06-05 22:20 <Plugh> dahlia: yea, I did try that and it worked. Now I'm wondering why the build works on one machine and not on the other with the same set of code changes made.
2015-06-05 22:20 <dahlia> unless maybe you have an older version of .net or something that doesnt have that in it
2015-06-05 22:25 <Plugh> Both machines have mono 3.2.8
2015-06-05 22:28 <dahlia> dunno. I'd probably just consider it fixed and move on :)
2015-06-05 23:38 <Plugh> Finally got the test grid up but I can't login. It gets stuck at waiting for region handshake.
2015-06-05 23:42 <Plugh> What takes place during region handshake?
2015-06-05 23:43 <diva> UDP traffic. If UDP ports arent open, you will get stuck there
2015-06-05 23:45 <Plugh> I do have a firewall set up on the machine but I'm allowing tcp and udp in to the public port and to the ports used by the instances.
2015-06-05 23:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #4215 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-05 23:49 <Plugh> 
ACTION wonders what other ports need access

2015-06-05 23:49 <osmantis> Bug #7601:04 [PATCH] to fix a small typo in program.cs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7601 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-06-05 23:52 <osmantis> Bug #7581:04 [PATCH] New metrics introduced 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7581 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-06-05 23:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4215: SUCCESS in 4 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4215/
2015-06-05 23:53 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Typo Fix
2015-06-05 23:56 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-06 00:08 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-06 00:19 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-06-06 03:45 <dazboy> Hi :D
2015-06-06 05:09 <dazboy> Anyone Awake?
2015-06-06 08:56 <H-H-H> thanks Diva :)
2015-06-06 09:27 <JunkHunk> hello I am trying to switch from old diva 2x2 megaregion to the new var region following this simple post: http://metaverseink.com/blog/?p=552 everything seems to go ok but when I try to build in a region different from the old sw one, a message appears saying: you cannot create objects here
2015-06-06 09:41 <osmantis> Bug #7561:04 Console "alert" command is not working on var regions, but does work on normal sims. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7561 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-06 09:52 <osmantis> Bug #7585:04 Last Location Doesnt Work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7585 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-06 14:17 <osmantis> Bug #7592:04 Terrain only shows to 256m even when view distance is 512m, objects show to 512m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7592 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-06 14:18 <osmantis> Bug #7585:04 Last Location Doesnt Work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7585 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-06 14:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #4216 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-06 14:19 <osmantis> Bug #7585:04 Last Location Doesnt Work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7585 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-06-06 14:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4216: SUCCESS in 9 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4216/
2015-06-06 14:23 <osjenkins> misterblue: Address Mantis 7592 (http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7592) by
2015-06-06 16:34 <osmantis> Bug #7592:04 Terrain only shows to 256m even when view distance is 512m, objects show to 512m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7592 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-06 19:01 <osmantis> Bug #7604:04 DeleteClassifiedRecord exception PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7604 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-06 19:06 <osmantis> Bug #7592:04 Terrain only shows to 256m even when view distance is 512m, objects show to 512m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7592 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-06 19:15 <osmantis> Bug #7605:04 ClassifiedFee = 0 not communicated to the viewer. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7605 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-06 19:24 <osmantis> Bug #7605:04 ClassifiedFee = 0 not communicated to the viewer. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7605 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-06 19:26 <osmantis> Bug #7604:04 DeleteClassifiedRecord exception PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7604 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007503.
2015-06-06 19:26 <osmantis> Bug #7503:04 Estate ban request raise exception - banned user data not written to database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7503 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007604.
2015-06-06 19:28 <osmantis> Bug #7604:04 DeleteClassifiedRecord exception PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7604 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007398.
2015-06-06 19:28 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007604.
2015-06-06 19:31 <osmantis> Bug #7452:04 Profile lookup in viewers produce [LLCLIENTVIEW] exception 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-06 19:33 <osmantis> Bug #7452:04 Profile lookup in viewers produce [LLCLIENTVIEW] exception 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7452 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-06-06 19:38 <osmantis> Bug #7606:04 Group handler exception - PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7606 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-06 19:39 <osmantis> Bug #7604:04 DeleteClassifiedRecord exception PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7604 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007606.
2015-06-06 19:39 <osmantis> Bug #7606:04 Group handler exception - PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7606 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007604.
2015-06-06 19:40 <osmantis> Bug #7604:04 DeleteClassifiedRecord exception PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7604 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-06 20:47 <osmantis> Bug #7592:04 Terrain only shows to 256m even when view distance is 512m, objects show to 512m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7592 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-06 20:58 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQEyezu7G20 < view in chrome
2015-06-06 21:18 <Ken_S> I am hearing from multiple people that a grid called the Great Canadian Grid is selling things from money that they copied free from OSG.
2015-06-06 21:19 <Ken_S> http://www.greatcanadiangrid.ca/dmca.html
2015-06-06 21:19 <Ken_S> And people tell me the owners are refusing to remove them even after being informed it violates the dmca
2015-06-06 21:23 <nebadon> that is between the creators and that grid
2015-06-06 21:23 <nebadon> nothing we can do about it
2015-06-06 21:24 <nebadon> personally I wouldnt involve yourself if your not personally effected by it
2015-06-06 21:25 <Ken_S> Yes, just wanted to inform all creators to check for their things for sale there in violation of the dmca
2015-06-06 21:26 <Ken_S> Some things I made are there, but personally I dont care.
2015-06-06 21:26 <Ken_S> Others that have made things apparently do care and have been telling me about it.
2015-06-06 21:27 <nebadon> broadcasting that stuff around is not good for the project as a whole
2015-06-06 21:27 <nebadon> shouldnt let one grids behavior tarnish the whole project by plastering that kind of stuff all over the place
2015-06-06 21:27 <nebadon> especially if you are not effected by it
2015-06-06 21:28 <nebadon> just makes the problem worse, not better
2015-06-06 21:29 <nebadon> especially such generalizations of the problem
2015-06-06 21:30 <BeyBar> Excuse me nebadon, I just read through your exchange with Ken_S, and the only "generalizaions" I see are yours.
2015-06-06 21:30 <nebadon> BeyBar this is a development channel
2015-06-06 21:30 <nebadon> we are not responsible for that stuff and its off topic here
2015-06-06 21:30 <nebadon> feel free to setup your own irc channel and talk about it all you want
2015-06-06 21:30 <BeyBar> Why didn't you say that to Ken_S then?
2015-06-06 21:31 <nebadon> because personally I think if you are not effected you shouldnt be spreading rumors
2015-06-06 21:31 <nebadon> hearing something from someone else who heard something
2015-06-06 21:31 <nebadon> is just spreading rumors and its not good
2015-06-06 21:31 <nebadon> take it up with that grid if you have a problem
2015-06-06 21:32 <nebadon> its none of our concern here
2015-06-06 21:32 <ssm2017> the subject is more about copying digital stuff.... do you agree nebadon if we speak about this in #osgrid ? (because i can see the same question there)
2015-06-06 21:34 <nebadon> I dont mind people talking about digitical copying in general and possible ways to avoid it, but making general accusations about a grid I think its a bad idea anywhere
2015-06-06 21:34 <ssm2017> mostly a free opened grid...
2015-06-06 21:34 <BeyBar> Telling somebody that topic X does not belong in a channel about topic Y: fine. Telling him that he is tarnishing "the whole project" or making "generalizations" when referencing a specific grid: not fine.
2015-06-06 21:34 <nebadon> I dont know anythng about this grid in question
2015-06-06 21:35 <nebadon> whatever
2015-06-06 21:36 <nebadon> I was simply trying to keep Ken_S from involving himself on hearsay
2015-06-06 21:36 <nebadon> anyone who does that is foolish
2015-06-06 21:36 <nebadon> if you want to act like a fool then so be it
2015-06-06 21:36 <nebadon> I can't stop you
2015-06-06 21:37 <nebadon> and I dont care what you say spreading rumors is not good for the project
2015-06-06 21:38 <ssm2017> on my side, i agree with transmitting griefing infos but i disagree with complaining copying bits or bytes
2015-06-06 21:39 <nebadon> I dont see how it can be stopped on any kind of technical level
2015-06-06 21:39 <nebadon> there isnt a platform that exists that isnt susceptible to it
2015-06-06 21:39 <ssm2017> digital creation has no value, only the artist time is valuable
2015-06-06 21:41 <nebadon> I wouldnt say it has no value
2015-06-06 21:41 <nebadon> but if you spend all your time chasing DMCA then you have no time to be creative
2015-06-06 21:41 <ssm2017> :)
2015-06-06 21:41 <nebadon> i saw so many friends / creators in SL chasing copybotters 
2015-06-06 21:42 <nebadon> and totally burn out on the dmca process
2015-06-06 21:42 <nebadon> that to me it seems like a gigantic waste of time and energy
2015-06-06 21:42 <nebadon> to spend your time in a perpetual state of anger
2015-06-06 21:42 <nebadon> and what is worse
2015-06-06 21:42 <ssm2017> the creation can have a value if it is made live by the creator (after the recording, it is only bits)
2015-06-06 21:42 <nebadon> the more you chase these people the more determined they are to waste your time
2015-06-06 21:43 <nebadon> if someone can make some money off of my creations that makes me happy
2015-06-06 21:43 <nebadon> casue most of the time I sure can't
2015-06-06 21:43 <nebadon> lol
2015-06-06 21:43 <nebadon> more power to them
2015-06-06 21:44 <ssm2017> something that can not been copyable is the live events
2015-06-06 21:44 <nebadon> yea
2015-06-06 21:44 <nebadon> the way I made and continue to make money
2015-06-06 21:44 <nebadon> is building regions
2015-06-06 21:45 <nebadon> not content thats in the regions
2015-06-06 21:45 <nebadon> I was making 25-50k lindens a month in SL just decorating peoples land for them
2015-06-06 21:45 <nebadon> with stuff i would buy for them
2015-06-06 21:45 <nebadon> wasnt making a fortune but it payed for my land and stuff i wanted to buy
2015-06-06 21:46 <nebadon> making a living as an artist is always going to be plagued with people stealing your stuff
2015-06-06 21:46 <nebadon> i read and article not long ago, few weeks, about a person on Tumblr or Instagram or something that was posting their artwork
2015-06-06 21:46 <nebadon> and some other person ended up selling their stuff for like 90,000$
2015-06-06 21:47 <nebadon> and while that sounds like a lot of money, by the time you hire lawyers and go to court and spend all of that time
2015-06-06 21:47 <nebadon> the only people who make any money are the damn lawyers
2015-06-06 21:48 <ssm2017> on tonight we had a great event on FrancoGrid with a show made by some avatars from different grids and mixed by cherry manga and praline b. all the avatars would be available as creative commons. there was a 45mn show and someone can own the objects and avatars but can not make the same show.
2015-06-06 21:48 <nebadon> and while I do not condone anything that is going on with this grid in question, lets be realistic here
2015-06-06 21:48 <nebadon> were probably talking about 10's of dollars 
2015-06-06 21:48 <nebadon> no ones getting rich here
2015-06-06 21:53 <BeyBar> nebadon, I have no idea what's going on at GCG (I think I've visited it once). That was not my point. I do note however that after you changed your objection from "generalizing" to "off topic, this is a developer channel", you spent almost 20 minutes generalizing about the off-topic topic. :P
2015-06-06 21:54 <nebadon> thats fine, I am not accusing anyone of anything in my generaltizations
2015-06-06 21:54 <nebadon> thats my point
2015-06-06 21:54 <nebadon> saying you heard from someone is hearsay
2015-06-06 21:54 <nebadon> and dangerous ground
2015-06-06 21:55 <nebadon> especially when accusing of theft
2015-06-06 21:56 <nebadon> it would be something else if Ken_S showed up and said his content was being stolen
2015-06-06 21:59 <BeyBar> I think I agree with your revised objection: the OpenSim project can not possibly be responsible for what independent OpenSim-based grids do. That would be like making printer manufacturers responsible for counterfeiting, car manufacturers responsible for drunk driving etc.
2015-06-06 21:59 <nebadon> ya exactly
2015-06-06 22:01 <nebadon> and I appologize if I came off to strong
2015-06-06 22:01 <nebadon> I really was just trying to keep Ken_S from getting involved in something he doesnt really need to be involved in
2015-06-06 22:01 <nebadon> I know his intentions are good
2015-06-06 22:03 <nebadon> I think alot of the time too people expect instant results
2015-06-06 22:03 <nebadon> and unfortunatley the DMCA process can be lengthy
2015-06-06 22:03 <nebadon> it will consume a lot of your time
2015-06-06 22:03 <nebadon> you can't expect a grid operator just on a whim of recieving a dmca notice to just immediately delete content
2015-06-06 22:04 <nebadon> that would be disasterous
2015-06-06 22:04 <nebadon> dmca gets abused
2015-06-06 22:04 <nebadon> look at Youtube
2015-06-06 22:04 <nebadon> its out of control dmca abuse 
2015-06-06 22:05 <nebadon> i remember uploading a nasa video i recorded from NASA TV
2015-06-06 22:05 <nebadon> its all public domain stuff
2015-06-06 22:05 <nebadon> within 5 minutes of me uploading it i got a DMCA notice takedown from some news broadcasting agency
2015-06-06 22:05 <nebadon> saying they owned this public domain footage
2015-06-06 22:05 <ssm2017> 
ACTION would like to be able to follow the declaration of cyberspace independency....

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2015-06-07 01:09 <osmantis> Bug #7603:04 Unusually high CPU load after HG visitor attempts inventory action 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7603 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-07 01:14 <osmantis> Bug #7603:04 Unusually high CPU load after HG visitor attempts inventory action 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7603 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-07 01:15 <osmantis> Bug #7603:04 Unusually high CPU load after HG visitor attempts inventory action 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7603 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-07 01:15 <osmantis> Bug #7603:04 Unusually high CPU load after HG visitor attempts inventory action 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7603 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-07 01:16 <osmantis> Bug #7603:04 Unusually high CPU load after HG visitor attempts inventory action 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7603 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-07 01:25 <Plugh> nebadon: ping
2015-06-07 01:25 <linkedinyou> Plugh:  how are you :) 
2015-06-07 01:25 <Plugh> Or general ping perhaps. I have an avatar that was logged in to the grid but now they can't log in again. Robust reports the login attempt and then reports the login failed but doesn't show a reason.
2015-06-07 01:26 <Plugh> Hey, linkedinyou. Not bad. Was out at a local village festival for a few hours this afternoon. How are you?
2015-06-07 01:27 <linkedinyou> doing fine .. and still not given up for the reset password i am nearly there
2015-06-07 01:27 <linkedinyou> i was working all the time on this mate very slow lol
2015-06-07 01:29 <Plugh> Um... I'm often doing several things so I tend to forget about other things. You were working on a web pased password reset feature for a grid?
2015-06-07 01:30 <linkedinyou> updating my UI to the latest version and this is another pain ... other thing is that i am building the UserAccountService.cs from scratch line by line tell make it write
2015-06-07 01:31 <linkedinyou> same here multi-tasks have done same time this is why slow to achieve
2015-06-07 01:32 <Plugh> yeah. I've been working on (or supposed to be working on) version 2 of a particle generator gadget so some of my other projects have been pushed to the side.
2015-06-07 01:33 <linkedinyou> i had to add 36 at the protected void CreateDefaultAppearanceEntries will make 36 entries and find that a bad way i have to use array
2015-06-07 01:34 <linkedinyou> 36 Avatars
2015-06-07 01:37 <danbanner> plug in osg?
2015-06-07 01:37 <danbanner> plugh*
2015-06-07 01:38 <linkedinyou> hey danbanner
2015-06-07 01:38 <danbanner> hey linkedinyou
2015-06-07 01:39 <nebadon> that is really odd Plugh
2015-06-07 01:39 <nebadon> I would think restarting robust and simulator should fix that problem
2015-06-07 01:40 <nebadon> I have never seen an avatar be prevented like that
2015-06-07 01:40 <nebadon> you might check the presence databases though
2015-06-07 01:41 <linkedinyou> i think teleporting him to other might refresh the region
2015-06-07 01:41 <linkedinyou> i think teleporting him to other region might refresh the region
2015-06-07 02:22 <Plugh> nebadon: I've had it happen at least once before. Robust says "reason:" and that is it. No actual reason. I think I'll have to dig in to the code and see if there are some other cases where no reason is logged/reported.
2015-06-07 02:23 <Plugh> I'm going to rename the avatar so the user can create a new one with the name they want but it will let me experiment and try to find the cause.
2015-06-07 02:23 <nebadon> how odd
2015-06-07 02:23 <nebadon> I would check the presence table for their UUID
2015-06-07 02:23 <nebadon> see if anything unusual about the entry
2015-06-07 02:23 <Plugh> Oh, the presence table. I didn't think of that one.
2015-06-07 02:25 <Plugh> No entry in the Presence table.
2015-06-07 02:26 <nebadon> about about GridUser tab;e
2015-06-07 02:27 <nebadon> what about* that is lol
2015-06-07 02:28 <Plugh> I deleted the GridUser entry
2015-06-07 02:28 <Plugh> The records in Avatars have been removed. There is no entry in Presence table.
2015-06-07 02:29 <Plugh> I'll pastebin the Robust log and IM you the URL so you can see what gets reported.
2015-06-07 02:30 <Plugh> s/IM/PM/
2015-06-07 03:04 <Plugh> Dang. The LaunchAgentAtGrid() routine always returns a null if it fails.
2015-06-07 03:04 <Plugh> No wonder the login message doesn't include any reason message.
2015-06-07 03:06 <Plugh> What part of the login process involved JSON-RPC
2015-06-07 03:06 <Plugh> ?
2015-06-07 03:15 <Plugh> The problem may be something to do with UserAgentService or simConnector. It checks if both were null then does stuff. After that it just checks if simConnector is still null. If it is it does more stuff. After that it expects that the success flag variable is true other it just returns null (ie. no message about the failure)>
2015-06-07 08:38 <osmantis> Bug #7592:04 Terrain only shows to 256m even when view distance is 512m, objects show to 512m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7592 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-06-07 09:01 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2015-06-07 15:26 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-07 15:39 <Plugh> Morning, all.
2015-06-07 15:40 <AliciaRaven> 
ACTION waves

2015-06-07 15:40 <nebadon> hello :)
2015-06-07 16:06 <Plugh> Nuts. Today the user that couldn't get logged in yesterday logged in fine.
2015-06-07 16:07 <Plugh> Now I won't be able to find out what was going wrong.
2015-06-07 16:19 <nebadon> Plugh you said you had erased some entries from the RObust database
2015-06-07 16:19 <nebadon> do you think that is why?
2015-06-07 16:20 <Plugh> I cleared data from three tables and still couldn't get that account logged in.
2015-06-07 16:22 <Plugh> This morning the instances for the grid were restarted. That may be why I could get in. I just found out the user had been in the grid for about 3 hours before they crashed. I assumed they had logged out.
2015-06-07 16:27 <nebadon> yea you maybe needed to restart grid after purging the entries
2015-06-07 16:27 <Plugh> Robust wasn't restarted though. Just the regions. It still doesn't explain why I couldn't log in to the grid using a region the avatar was unlikely to have visited.
2015-06-07 16:28 <nebadon> ya very odd for sure
2015-06-07 16:29 <Plugh> I just tried the "show grid user <uuid>" command and there are 5 entries for the user.
2015-06-07 16:30 <Plugh> Odd. It output the same set of information 5 times.
2015-06-07 16:31 <Plugh> Um... talking about Robust console here.
2015-06-07 16:34 <nebadon> huh
2015-06-07 16:34 <nebadon> that cant be right
2015-06-07 16:34 <nebadon> did you query the database?
2015-06-07 16:34 <nebadon> maybe they have multiple grid entries
2015-06-07 16:34 <Plugh> Yup. I did and there is only one entry in the database. How is that for more strangeness?
2015-06-07 16:34 <nebadon> that would be odd but not unheard of 
2015-06-07 16:35 <nebadon> bizzaro
2015-06-07 16:35 <Plugh> Since the user can login I'm going to do a restart of Robust since I'm not going to be able to get any more details about last nights problem.
2015-06-07 16:38 <Plugh> Odd indeed. 080PF outputs info from "show grid user <uuid>" and "show grid users online" 5 times each.
2015-06-07 16:39 <Plugh> Same thing with Robust in 081PF
2015-06-07 16:46 <Plugh> nebadon: when you get a moment, do "show grid users online" in the Robust console of osgrid and see how many lines are output.
2015-06-07 16:46 <Plugh> I'll bbl. time for lunch.
2015-06-07 17:34 <nebadon> Plugh i see 4 lines
2015-06-07 18:39 <Wanderer_42> Hi. Has anyone an idea, what this console-message means? (Standalone without HG): 20:33:48 - [WATCHDOG]: Asked to update thread 121 which is not being monitored. 
2015-06-07 18:39 <Wanderer_42> I never saw that message before
2015-06-07 19:18 <Plugh> hm... did someone leave a message for me in the last couple hours or so?
2015-06-07 19:18 <Wanderer_42> Plugh: [19:34:39] <nebadon> Plugh i see 4 lines
2015-06-07 19:19 <Plugh> um... ok. I'll need more context. I lost my scrollback now. Closed the wrong window.
2015-06-07 19:19 <Plugh> s/now/just now/
2015-06-07 19:21 <Plugh> Ah, ok. Now I remember the context.
2015-06-07 19:21 <Plugh> nebadon: Interesting that you see multiple lines instead of one for the users online command in Robust.
2015-06-07 19:21 <nebadon> yea, I have never actually used that command before
2015-06-07 19:22 <nebadon> first time I have noticed
2015-06-07 19:22 <Plugh> Same here. Just thought the two commands might show up something useful to help figure out what was going on the other day.
2015-06-07 19:22 <Plugh> Now I have to track down that code and find out why it outputs the information multiple times.
2015-06-07 19:33 <Wanderer_42> Hi. Has anyone an idea, what this console-message means? (Standalone without HG): 20:33:48 - [WATCHDOG]: Asked to update thread 121 which is not being monitored. 
2015-06-07 19:45 <nebadon> probably a thread that was taking too long
2015-06-07 19:46 <Wanderer_42> ok, thank you. So it is nothing to worry about ?
2015-06-07 19:46 <nebadon> I think all its saying is it was tasked to check the thread again and the thread went away before it coudl check
2015-06-07 19:46 <nebadon> I dont think so
2015-06-07 19:46 <Wanderer_42> ok, thx
2015-06-07 19:46 <nebadon> unless you are noticing something unusual I wouldnt worry about it
2015-06-07 19:46 <nebadon> you will see all kinds of messages about things that take too long
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2015-06-07 21:02 <JunkHunk> hello Is there a way to save oars without scripts?
2015-06-07 21:25 <nebadon> JunkHunk no
2015-06-07 21:25 <nebadon> why?
2015-06-07 21:26 <JunkHunk> because scripts won't let me login
2015-06-07 21:26 <JunkHunk> mono crash
2015-06-07 21:26 <nebadon> disable xengine
2015-06-07 21:26 <nebadon> however
2015-06-07 21:26 <JunkHunk> how?
2015-06-07 21:26 <nebadon> in OpenSim.ini
2015-06-07 21:26 <nebadon> [Xengine] section
2015-06-07 21:26 <nebadon> do you know what script is doing it?
2015-06-07 21:27 <JunkHunk> I ll add modifications to my diva config include myworld.ini instead
2015-06-07 21:27 <JunkHunk> no idea
2015-06-07 21:27 <nebadon> ok the other option would be a save xml
2015-06-07 21:27 <JunkHunk> there are over 1500
2015-06-07 21:27 <nebadon> I think that still works
2015-06-07 21:27 <nebadon> but you would permantley be stripping all of the scripts
2015-06-07 21:27 <JunkHunk> I cannot login
2015-06-07 21:28 <JunkHunk> what if I lose scripts?
2015-06-07 21:28 <nebadon> if you disable xengine you will
2015-06-07 21:28 <JunkHunk> its a pitty... but I don't see an alternative I tried it all
2015-06-07 21:28 <AliciaRaven> JunkHunk, last night you said mono was crashing at startup, did you try to set mono threads per cpu as i sugested? i dont think scripts are the problem
2015-06-07 21:29 <JunkHunk> you suggested...
2015-06-07 21:29 <JunkHunk> I need to revisit my logs
2015-06-07 21:29 <JunkHunk> unless...
2015-06-07 21:29 <JunkHunk> you feel chatty
2015-06-07 21:30 <AliciaRaven> let me check it, one sec
2015-06-07 21:30 <JunkHunk> that sounds interesting I must have missed your post
2015-06-07 21:30 <AliciaRaven> add this line to your bash.rc file...
2015-06-07 21:30 <AliciaRaven> export MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU=1000
2015-06-07 21:31 <AliciaRaven> when os crashes with mono error on startup, that will usualy fix it
2015-06-07 21:31 <JunkHunk> wow that s gold
2015-06-07 21:31 <AliciaRaven> i think you assumed it was a script because it was the script load at startup where it crashed?
2015-06-07 21:32 <JunkHunk> exactly
2015-06-07 21:32 <AliciaRaven> that might be because its creating threads at startup and that value is too low which causes problems
2015-06-07 21:36 <Plugh> JunkHunk: Can any avatar login that has perms on the land? If so, start removing items a bunch at a time until you can login. That will let you narrow down what object(s) are causing the problem.
2015-06-07 21:37 <Plugh> The last bunch of objects removed before you can login contains the bad object. You can then reinstate the last items removed a few at a time until you find the one that stops you from logging in when the object is on the land.
2015-06-07 21:39 <JunkHunk> AliciaRaven,  is this the bashrc you pointed out? http://askubuntu.com/questions/127056/where-is-bashrc
2015-06-07 21:39 <AliciaRaven> yes
2015-06-07 21:39 <AliciaRaven> ~/.bashrc
2015-06-07 21:40 <JunkHunk> the dot just confused me
2015-06-07 21:41 <AliciaRaven> yea sorry, i got the name wrong above
2015-06-07 21:43 <JunkHunk> done
2015-06-07 21:44 <JunkHunk> :-)
2015-06-07 21:44 <JunkHunk> lets test it
2015-06-07 21:44 <JunkHunk> should I reboot first?
2015-06-07 21:44 <AliciaRaven> im not sure, might be best
2015-06-07 21:44 <Plugh> bbl
2015-06-07 21:44 <JunkHunk> I am eager 
2015-06-07 21:45 <JunkHunk> just testing
2015-06-07 21:50 <JunkHunk> crashes anyway...http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=89187
2015-06-07 21:51 <JunkHunk> I need to confirm after a reboot though
2015-06-07 21:51 <JunkHunk> http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=89187
2015-06-07 21:51 <JunkHunk> Got a SIGABRT while executing native code. This usually indicates
2015-06-07 21:51 <JunkHunk> a fatal error in the mono runtime or one of the native libraries 
2015-06-07 21:51 <JunkHunk> used by your application.
2015-06-07 21:51 <AliciaRaven> what is the kernel version your running?
2015-06-07 21:52 <JunkHunk> the one that makes the other standalones stable
2015-06-07 21:53 <AliciaRaven> some kernels cause this problem, i would expect standalones to show the same problem tho
2015-06-07 21:53 <AliciaRaven> nebadon u still around? whats the kernel version that causes crashs?
2015-06-07 21:53 <AliciaRaven> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519
2015-06-07 21:54 <JunkHunk> 46
2015-06-07 21:54 <JunkHunk> 3.13.0-46
2015-06-07 21:54 <JunkHunk> linux generic
2015-06-07 21:55 <JunkHunk> but as I told you I am using this one because the latest was causing crashes on other opensim standalones i run all of them are diva latest though
2015-06-07 21:55 <JunkHunk> same diva same kernel different behaviour thats why I was blaming scripts
2015-06-07 21:57 <AliciaRaven> mmm, i guess try with script engine disabled and see if it does fix it
2015-06-07 21:57 <JunkHunk> yep nebadon's tip
2015-06-07 21:57 <AliciaRaven> [XEngine] Enabled = false
2015-06-07 21:57 <AliciaRaven> yep
2015-06-07 21:59 <JunkHunk> testing...
2015-06-07 21:59 <JunkHunk> ?�
2015-06-07 21:59 <JunkHunk> it is still starting them???
2015-06-07 22:00 <JunkHunk> I must have missed something
2015-06-07 22:00 <AliciaRaven> which ini file did u add that to?
2015-06-07 22:01 <JunkHunk> myworld.ini
2015-06-07 22:02 <AliciaRaven> does it already have a XEngine section? it could be loading another after that says enabled is true
2015-06-07 22:02 <JunkHunk> and i checked opensim ini and this is the only line uncommented there: OSFunctionThreatLevel = VeryLow
2015-06-07 22:02 <JunkHunk> no
2015-06-07 22:02 <JunkHunk> it wasnt there till I added it
2015-06-07 22:03 <JunkHunk> :-(
2015-06-07 22:04 <AliciaRaven> brb checking if it does stop it loading on my test grid
2015-06-07 22:04 <JunkHunk> is it diva?
2015-06-07 22:04 <AliciaRaven> no, i never tried divas
2015-06-07 22:04 <JunkHunk> I think I ll sync with you and I will reboot now
2015-06-07 22:08 <JunkHunk> okay back
2015-06-07 22:08 <AliciaRaven> does divas have an opensim.ini or just world.ini ?
2015-06-07 22:09 <JunkHunk> both
2015-06-07 22:09 <JunkHunk> in myworld ini you just add mods
2015-06-07 22:09 <AliciaRaven> might have to disable xengine in opensim.ini
2015-06-07 22:09 <JunkHunk> keeping opensim ini untouched
2015-06-07 22:10 <AliciaRaven> it didnt load scripts with plain opensim, it does say wait for scripts before logins enabled tho even tho they dont get loaded
2015-06-07 22:11 <JunkHunk> I am testing one more time starting scripts just in case the reboot was needed
2015-06-07 22:11 <JunkHunk> after the bashrc line 
2015-06-07 22:12 <JunkHunk> nah
2015-06-07 22:13 <JunkHunk> still crashing
2015-06-07 22:13 <JunkHunk> time for the opesim.ini operation
2015-06-07 22:16 <JunkHunk> hmmm
2015-06-07 22:17 <JunkHunk> I think I need to change something more...
2015-06-07 22:17 <JunkHunk> it says logins disabled
2015-06-07 22:18 <AliciaRaven> can you paste bin the log?
2015-06-07 22:20 <JunkHunk> [LLOGIN SERVICE]: Login failed for Junk Hunk, reason: Logins Disabled
2015-06-07 22:20 <nebadon> that might happen with xengine disabled
2015-06-07 22:20 <nebadon> because it usually wont enable logins until scripts finish loading
2015-06-07 22:20 <JunkHunk> lol
2015-06-07 22:20 <nebadon> just type login enable
2015-06-07 22:20 <JunkHunk> where?
2015-06-07 22:20 <nebadon> region console
2015-06-07 22:21 <Melanie_T> well, with xengine disabled, the core should enable logins by itself
2015-06-07 22:21 <nebadon> yea it should
2015-06-07 22:21 <nebadon> but if the simulator is misbehaving it may not
2015-06-07 22:21 <JunkHunk> cool
2015-06-07 22:21 <Melanie_T> if logins don't open up with xengine running, then that means it never manages to start all scripts
2015-06-07 22:21 <JunkHunk> it says logins are enabled now
2015-06-07 22:21 <nebadon> right
2015-06-07 22:21 <nebadon> the reason we disabled xengine melanie_T
2015-06-07 22:21 <JunkHunk> ta daa!
2015-06-07 22:21 <AliciaRaven> i tried my test grid with xengine disabled and i can login
2015-06-07 22:21 <nebadon> is because his simulator is crashing starting scripts
2015-06-07 22:22 <Melanie_T> if, for instance, there are two scripts in the region each having an endless loop in state_entry, script startup will never complete
2015-06-07 22:23 <JunkHunk> I am in
2015-06-07 22:24 <AliciaRaven> what did u do to get in?
2015-06-07 22:24 <nebadon> the next thing you should do JunkHung
2015-06-07 22:25 <nebadon> JunkHunk*
2015-06-07 22:25 <JunkHunk> http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=89189
2015-06-07 22:25 <nebadon> is delete all the DLL files from your scriptengines folder
2015-06-07 22:25 <nebadon> inside that folder there will be a folder with UUID of your region
2015-06-07 22:25 <nebadon> inside of there delete *.dll
2015-06-07 22:25 <nebadon> and try again with script engine enabled
2015-06-07 22:25 <JunkHunk> okay
2015-06-07 22:26 <nebadon> actually
2015-06-07 22:26 <nebadon> delete everything but .state files
2015-06-07 22:26 <nebadon> keep those
2015-06-07 22:26 <nebadon> unless you dont care about that
2015-06-07 22:26 <nebadon> you could just rename the uuid folder and let the next start up recreate everything
2015-06-07 22:29 <JunkHunk> what are the state files for�?
2015-06-07 22:29 <JunkHunk> the ones created when you configure your world and choose a state name?
2015-06-07 22:30 <JunkHunk> are they dispensable?
2015-06-07 22:31 <AliciaRaven> script state files are the variables and running state of scripts, if u delete them it just means scripts will reset
2015-06-07 22:33 <JunkHunk> :-P
2015-06-07 22:33 <JunkHunk> I am just deleting dll
2015-06-07 22:34 <JunkHunk> it reminds me windows days
2015-06-07 22:34 <Plugh> Is there a region stat that states the amount of uptime for the region?
2015-06-07 22:37 <AliciaRaven> im not aware of any Plugh
2015-06-07 22:37 <nebadon> show uptime
2015-06-07 22:38 <Plugh> nebadon: ty. Thought there was something.
2015-06-07 22:39 <JunkHunk> hmmm what about the bashrc tweak?
2015-06-07 22:40 <JunkHunk> should I leave that? I dont see the effect
2015-06-07 22:40 <AliciaRaven> best to keep that change
2015-06-07 22:40 <JunkHunk> okay
2015-06-07 22:43 <nebadon> was there any change when you deleted the dlls?
2015-06-07 22:43 <JunkHunk> testing now
2015-06-07 22:43 <JunkHunk> I was enabling xengine again
2015-06-07 22:44 <nebadon> k
2015-06-07 22:44 <JunkHunk> starting scripts
2015-06-07 22:44 <nebadon> just so you know
2015-06-07 22:45 <nebadon> everytime you update the code it would be good practice to delete these dlls
2015-06-07 22:45 <nebadon> its not 100% mandatory
2015-06-07 22:45 <nebadon> but changes could occur in opensim that make these dlls cause erratic behavior
2015-06-07 22:45 <nebadon> same goes whenever you upgrade mono
2015-06-07 22:46 <JunkHunk> I see
2015-06-07 22:46 <nebadon> that is if you are even carrying them over between upgrades
2015-06-07 22:46 <JunkHunk> hey your car is a hype
2015-06-07 22:46 <nebadon> you may not be
2015-06-07 22:47 <JunkHunk> did you build any jeep or something?
2015-06-07 22:47 <nebadon> I do have a jeep model some where, i never scripted it though
2015-06-07 22:47 <nebadon> it would need some major love to be scriptable
2015-06-07 22:47 <nebadon> heh
2015-06-07 22:48 <JunkHunk> I am building a trecky island
2015-06-07 22:48 <JunkHunk> with giant pavers in a forest
2015-06-07 22:48 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/jeep_wrangler_03.png
2015-06-07 22:48 <nebadon> a replica of my RL vehicle :)
2015-06-07 22:49 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/100_1053.JPG
2015-06-07 22:49 <JunkHunk> oh thats cool...
2015-06-07 22:49 <nebadon> I dont think i have that model anywhere easily accessible at the moment though
2015-06-07 22:50 <JunkHunk> nvm I think your old boogie was cool enough
2015-06-07 22:50 <nebadon> :)
2015-06-07 22:50 <JunkHunk> you only need to call nerido again
2015-06-07 22:51 <JunkHunk> the mc laren script is cool
2015-06-07 22:52 <JunkHunk> hey scripts still starting...
2015-06-07 22:52 <JunkHunk> reaching the crash point
2015-06-07 22:52 <JunkHunk> it really went slow this time
2015-06-07 22:53 <JunkHunk> :-(
2015-06-07 22:53 <nebadon> yes
2015-06-07 22:53 <JunkHunk> still crashing
2015-06-07 22:53 <nebadon> first startup is always slow
2015-06-07 22:53 <nebadon> hmm
2015-06-07 22:53 <nebadon> would really be good to know what script is crashing things
2015-06-07 22:53 <JunkHunk> I agree
2015-06-07 22:53 <nebadon> not sure how to figure that out though
2015-06-07 22:53 <JunkHunk> database?
2015-06-07 22:53 <nebadon> Melanie_T any suggestions?
2015-06-07 22:54 <Melanie_T> is this an actual crash, e.g. with a dump?
2015-06-07 22:54 <Melanie_T> or just a hang?
2015-06-07 22:54 <JunkHunk> it tells there is debug info
2015-06-07 22:54 <Melanie_T> oh, it's windows
2015-06-07 22:54 <nebadon> no its linux
2015-06-07 22:54 <Melanie_T> i don't know the first thing about opensim on windows
2015-06-07 22:55 <JunkHunk> I ll post the crash
2015-06-07 22:55 <Melanie_T> then, what "tells" that?
2015-06-07 22:55 <nebadon> JunkHunk run it with mono --debug OpenSim.exe
2015-06-07 22:55 <nebadon> and then paste it
2015-06-07 22:55 <Melanie_T> ideally, the compile of opensim should also be done with debug options
2015-06-07 22:56 <nebadon> what options exactly?
2015-06-07 22:56 <JunkHunk> http://www.pasteall.org/58870
2015-06-07 22:56 <JunkHunk> oh
2015-06-07 22:56 <nebadon> hmm wierd crash
2015-06-07 22:56 <JunkHunk> running with mono --debug OpenSim.exe now
2015-06-07 22:57 <Melanie_T> that is a mono internal error
2015-06-07 22:57 <Melanie_T> did you delete the .dll files yet?
2015-06-07 22:57 <nebadon> i doubt thats going to say much JunkHunk
2015-06-07 22:57 <nebadon> he did
2015-06-07 22:57 <Melanie_T> this is generally caused by one of them being corrupted
2015-06-07 22:57 <Melanie_T> also, try to flip your app domains setting
2015-06-07 22:57 <nebadon> ahhh ya
2015-06-07 22:57 <Melanie_T> you seem to have appdomainloading on
2015-06-07 22:57 <nebadon> doh
2015-06-07 22:57 <nebadon> thats probably what it is
2015-06-07 22:57 <JunkHunk> ?
2015-06-07 22:58 <nebadon> in [Xengine]
2015-06-07 22:58 <nebadon> AppDomainLoading = false
2015-06-07 22:58 <nebadon> make sure this is set
2015-06-07 22:58 <nebadon> this could very well be the problem
2015-06-07 22:58 <nebadon> it sucks in mono
2015-06-07 22:58 <JunkHunk> oookay
2015-06-07 22:58 <Melanie_T> App domains allow scripters to do more save/test cycles before running out of memory
2015-06-07 22:58 <nebadon> especially with 1500+ scripts
2015-06-07 22:58 <nebadon> Wright Plaza crashes too
2015-06-07 22:58 <Melanie_T> but in a sim that is being used rather than built, turning it off can speed things up 10 times or better
2015-06-07 22:58 <nebadon> with it set to true
2015-06-07 22:59 <Melanie_T> also app domains are memory hogs
2015-06-07 22:59 <JunkHunk> testing
2015-06-07 23:00 <JunkHunk> I just set it on myworld.ini 
2015-06-07 23:00 <nebadon> ok
2015-06-07 23:00 <nebadon> as long as its in the [Xengine] section that should be fine
2015-06-07 23:00 <Melanie_T> i guess myworld.ini is something diva specific?
2015-06-07 23:00 <nebadon> yes
2015-06-07 23:00 <Melanie_T> as it's not a core file
2015-06-07 23:06 <nebadon> im assuming the level of silence == some kind of success :)
2015-06-07 23:07 <nebadon> fingers crossed
2015-06-07 23:08 <JunkHunk> nope
2015-06-07 23:08 <JunkHunk> restrooms
2015-06-07 23:08 <JunkHunk> and guess what
2015-06-07 23:08 <JunkHunk> it crashed
2015-06-07 23:08 <JunkHunk> :-(
2015-06-07 23:09 <nebadon> bummer
2015-06-07 23:09 <nebadon> kind of surprising
2015-06-07 23:10 <nebadon> you might want to set it in OpenSim.ini to be sure its actually working
2015-06-07 23:10 <JunkHunk> yep what worked once...
2015-06-07 23:15 <JunkHunk> I guess that if this is not working I could delete scripts one by one inworld with xengine disabled....
2015-06-07 23:15 <JunkHunk> but it is weird
2015-06-07 23:16 <nebadon> what would be better is to disable the scripts 1 by 1
2015-06-07 23:16 <nebadon> so you could determine the bad script
2015-06-07 23:16 <JunkHunk> because I dont recall a crash after some new building but after a kernel upgrade
2015-06-07 23:16 <nebadon> it would be good for the developers to see this script
2015-06-07 23:16 <nebadon> so we can try to prevent this from occuring 
2015-06-07 23:16 <Plugh> I gave some info on how to track down the problem a while ago. Won't help if JunkHunk is unable to log in any users.
2015-06-07 23:16 <nebadon> well he can if xengine is disabled
2015-06-07 23:17 <Plugh> Um... what is mini.c?
2015-06-07 23:17 <Plugh> Is that part of mono?
2015-06-07 23:17 <nebadon> yea
2015-06-07 23:17 <JunkHunk> it crashed again
2015-06-07 23:17 <Plugh> ok.
2015-06-07 23:17 <nebadon> this is a mono crash
2015-06-07 23:17 <Plugh> Which mono?
2015-06-07 23:18 <JunkHunk> a swinging one
2015-06-07 23:18 <Plugh> ?
2015-06-07 23:19 <JunkHunk> it was a joke
2015-06-07 23:19 <JunkHunk> I am tired
2015-06-07 23:19 <JunkHunk> thanks for your support
2015-06-07 23:19 <Plugh> np. :)
2015-06-07 23:19 <JunkHunk> I think I ll have a nap
2015-06-07 23:20 <Plugh> If he had tried what I suggested earlier he would be on his way to pinning it down if it is a particular object causing the issue.
2015-06-07 23:20 <nebadon> yea that sucks, its frustrating
2015-06-07 23:20 <nebadon> what was it you suggested
2015-06-07 23:20 <Plugh> I've had to do that when dealing with physical objects causing a problem. 
2015-06-07 23:20 <nebadon> i just changed computers and log is gone
2015-06-07 23:21 <Plugh> Disable scripts, login, save an oar file, then start deleting objects in groups. He would have to log out and restart with scripts enabled and try and login again after each bunch of objects were deleted.
2015-06-07 23:21 <nebadon> ah ya
2015-06-07 23:21 <Plugh> Eventually he could log in and the bad object would be amongst the last of objects deleted.
2015-06-07 23:21 <nebadon> I think he plans on doing that
2015-06-07 23:21 <nebadon> hes probably just burned out
2015-06-07 23:21 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-06-07 23:22 <Plugh> yeah, after fighting with something like this it is good to have a break from it for a while.
2015-06-07 23:22 <nebadon> \yea
2015-06-07 23:23 <Plugh> "condition `code' not met" is a really strange error. It is like something didn't compile properly.
2015-06-07 23:23 <Plugh> Do you know what version of mono he is using?
2015-06-07 23:24 <Plugh> From the scrollback it doesn't appear to have been stated.
2015-06-07 23:52 <nebadon> not sure
2015-06-08 08:21 <osmantis> Bug #7605:04 ClassifiedFee = 0 not communicated to the viewer. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7605 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-08 08:51 <osmantis> Bug #7605:04 ClassifiedFee = 0 not communicated to the viewer. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7605 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-08 09:05 <osmantis> Bug #7605:04 ClassifiedFee = 0 not communicated to the viewer. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7605 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-06-08 09:51 <osmantis> Bug #7607:04 [SCENEGRAPH] Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7607 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2015-06-08 09:51 <osmantis> Bug #7607:04 [SCENEGRAPH] Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7607 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2015-06-08 12:23 <osmantis> Bug #7607:04 [SCENEGRAPH] Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7607 ): has been set as DUPLICATE OF issue 0007271.
2015-06-08 12:23 <osmantis> Bug #7271:04 Reappearance of [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7271 ): The issue 0007607 has been set as DUPLICATE OF the following issue.
2015-06-08 12:25 <osmantis> Bug #7607:04 [SCENEGRAPH] Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7607 ): has been UNset as DUPLICATE OF issue 0007271.
2015-06-08 12:25 <osmantis> Bug #7271:04 Reappearance of [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7271 ): The issue 0007607 has been removed as a DUPLICATE OF the following issue.
2015-06-08 12:26 <osmantis> Bug #7607:04 [SCENEGRAPH] Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7607 ): has been set as DUPLICATE OF issue 0007577.
2015-06-08 12:26 <osmantis> Bug #7577:04 Warp3D Map Tile Generation [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7577 ): The issue 0007607 has been set as DUPLICATE OF the following issue.
2015-06-08 12:32 <osmantis> Bug #7271:04 Reappearance of [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7271 ): has been CLOSED
2015-06-08 12:34 <osmantis> Bug #7589:04 OAR save does not preserve script "running" status after load 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7589 ): has been CLOSED
2015-06-08 12:41 <osmantis> Bug #7592:04 Terrain only shows to 256m even when view distance is 512m, objects show to 512m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7592 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-06-08 13:00 <LiruCookies> Hey
2015-06-08 13:00 <LiruCookies> Does opensim send the viewer the minimum Classified fee?
2015-06-08 14:12 <AliciaRaven> LiruCookies, its sent in login responce only if the value exists, i havnt checked it works tho
2015-06-08 14:16 <LiruCookies> Meh
2015-06-08 14:16 <LiruCookies> For now I'll just let it be enforced by the server.
2015-06-08 14:20 <AliciaRaven> LiruCookies, i checked and by default its not sent because there is no value in OpenSimDefaults.ini
2015-06-08 14:47 <LiruCookies> AliciaRaven: but is it sent potentially?
2015-06-08 14:47 <AliciaRaven> yes, only if the grid has set the value in config themselves
2015-06-08 14:49 <AliciaRaven> its sent in login responce as classified_fee, but because it defaults to an empty string, its left out by default
2015-06-08 14:50 <AliciaRaven> i guess it should default to 0 if nothing is set in the config
2015-06-08 15:06 <LiruCookies> AliciaRaven: no, empty string is good.
2015-06-08 15:08 <AliciaRaven> when it detects its an empty string, it skips and doesnt send anything
2015-06-08 15:09 <LiruCookies> That should be fine? I think...
2015-06-08 15:12 <AliciaRaven> if the viewer takes that to mean 0 yes
2015-06-08 15:12 <LiruCookies> The viewer takes that to mean don't change from default..
2015-06-08 15:12 <LiruCookies> Hm
2015-06-08 15:12 <LiruCookies> Guess I should make it mean 0...
2015-06-08 15:13 <AliciaRaven> i could make a patch for os to set the default as 0 if not found in config if that would be better?
2015-06-08 15:14 <LiruCookies> Nah, I'll do that in code.
2015-06-08 15:14 <LiruCookies> Don't add to bandwidth consumption, it'll only take the viewer a split second.
2015-06-08 15:15 <LiruCookies> tmp.empty() ? 0 : atoi(tmp.c_str())
2015-06-08 15:17 <AliciaRaven> cool
2015-06-08 19:47 <lkalif> openmetaverse has gotten a new home http://openmetaverse.co/
2015-06-08 19:52 <dahlia> YAY new home :D
2015-06-08 19:53 <lkalif> domain renewal is one big scam :P
2015-06-08 19:53 <dahlia> the whole internet naming thing is a big scam
2015-06-08 19:53 <lkalif> yeah
2015-06-08 19:54 <dahlia> someone else should just stick a name->IP database out there
2015-06-08 19:54 <lkalif> there are alternaatives
2015-06-08 19:54 <dahlia> existing?
2015-06-08 19:55 <lkalif> anyway openmetaverse.co is registered till 2018
2015-06-08 19:55 <dahlia> cool
2015-06-08 19:55 <lkalif> dahlia: yes, canot recallect the name though
2015-06-08 19:56 <dahlia> I have a couple things I want to eventually patch but I never get around to it
2015-06-08 19:56 <lkalif> in libomv?
2015-06-08 19:56 <dahlia> quaternion / operator doesn't work
2015-06-08 19:57 <lkalif> ah
2015-06-08 19:57 <dahlia> and one other quaternion thing
2015-06-08 19:57 <dahlia> I think its convert to axis angle
2015-06-08 19:57 <dahlia> cant remember now
2015-06-08 19:57 <lkalif> it's dangerous to change / :P
2015-06-08 19:57 <dahlia> well it's total fail now
2015-06-08 19:58 <dahlia> I don't know who could possibly use it for anything the way it is
2015-06-08 19:58 <lkalif> well if it works with opensim, the change is probably ok
2015-06-08 19:59 <dahlia> it doesnt
2015-06-08 19:59 <dahlia> opensim has its own
2015-06-08 20:00 <lkalif> i gave you people access to the git so we don't duplicate stuff :)
2015-06-08 20:00 <dahlia> I dont have access that I know of
2015-06-08 20:01 <dahlia> other than public read
2015-06-08 20:02 <lkalif> hmm, i just chhecked, i gave to justin and diva
2015-06-08 20:03 <lkalif> dahlia: are you dahlia on github?
2015-06-08 20:03 <dahlia> dahliaT I think
2015-06-08 20:04 <dahlia> I think the dahlia on github is some webbie
2015-06-08 20:05 <dahlia> ya I'm dahliaT
2015-06-08 20:06 <lkalif> openmetaverse has gotten a new home http://openmetaverse.co/https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation
2015-06-08 20:06 <lkalif> accept the invite :)
2015-06-08 20:06 <lkalif> https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation
2015-06-08 20:06 <lkalif> wrong paste lol
2015-06-08 20:07 <dahlia> ty
2015-06-08 20:07 <dahlia> 
ACTION commences repo destruction...

2015-06-08 20:08 <lkalif> hehe
2015-06-08 20:10 <Plugh> New repo? I'll have to update my copy of the repo so pull from its new home.
2015-06-08 20:10 <lkalif> no no
2015-06-08 20:10 <lkalif> just new web domain
2015-06-08 20:10 <Plugh> oh, ok. I thought the whole thing had gone bye bye.
2015-06-08 20:12 <lkalif> openmetaverse.org expired and someone snatched it, so now it's openmetaverse.co
2015-06-08 20:13 <Plugh> hm... sponsoring registrar is godaddy? Wouldn't be surprised if they grabbed it. They have been known to grab expired domains.
2015-06-08 20:15 <lkalif> I even offered $200, got no reply
2015-06-08 20:15 <dahlia> it's seriously lame to try to extort a .org
2015-06-08 21:49 <Littlefeather> does opensim plan on adding llReturnObjectsByOwner to lsl?
2015-06-08 21:50 <H-H-H> have a look on the wiki
2015-06-08 21:55 <Plugh> There are some script routines to return objects.
2015-06-08 22:21 <JunkHunk> hello again...I made a guess and disabled a suspicious script I recall giving some problems but once I enable xengine again...It crashes starting scripts
2015-06-08 22:22 <JunkHunk> any good Idea? I dont feel like testing 1500 scripts
2015-06-09 02:22 <smxy> misterblue: Collisions still randomly fail. I still have to restart my regions once a day, to keep it from happening, but even then, it still bites me now and then. It's been a year since the mantis was filed, but the problems been around for at least two years. How do we get this diagnosed, so it can be fixed?
2015-06-09 02:22 <smxy> It's a tough one, I know.
2015-06-09 02:25 <nebadon2> are you using llVolumeDetect?
2015-06-09 02:25 <nebadon2> or the collision event?
2015-06-09 04:21 <linkedinyou> smxy: adding my voice (text) to you 
2015-06-09 04:21 <linkedinyou> misterblue: Collisions still randomly fail. I still have to restart my regions once a day, to keep it from happening, but even then, it still bites me now and then. It's been a year since the mantis was filed, but the problems been around for at least two years. How do we get this diagnosed, so it can be fixed?
2015-06-09 04:22 <linkedinyou> realy we need to understand what is going on that so we can do what ever we can things has to be documented we have lack of understanding
2015-06-09 04:22 <misterblue> my problem is getting a reproduction... I've run millions of balls through multiple volume detect things and bouncing of things without a lost collision
2015-06-09 04:22 <misterblue> I fear there is a race condition hiding somewhere and those are hard to find
2015-06-09 04:23 <misterblue> did we try sharing physics logs before?
2015-06-09 04:23 <linkedinyou> i have not seen logs before
2015-06-09 04:26 <misterblue> very detailed physics logs can be generated... but they can get very large
2015-06-09 04:26 <misterblue> don't seem to slow things down much
2015-06-09 04:27 <misterblue> how long do things need to run before collisions disappear?
2015-06-09 04:27 <misterblue> a day?
2015-06-09 04:27 <linkedinyou> i gave me tons of logs files that was laging me from opening the bin folder
2015-06-09 04:28 <misterblue> so we did try to save physics logs before?
2015-06-09 04:28 <linkedinyou> and hard to track for me .. yes i think a day
2015-06-09 04:28 <linkedinyou> i saved yes but then deleted them and i think i still have some
2015-06-09 04:29 <linkedinyou> let me check as it was 14000 logs file or more
2015-06-09 04:29 <linkedinyou> all called physics .logs
2015-06-09 04:30 <smxy> misterblue: None of my collisions use volume detect. Juts avatars bumping into prims. I did turn on physics logging once and had hundreds of megs of files and no one seemed interested, so I turned it off rather than fill my drive up.
2015-06-09 04:31 <linkedinyou> once i remmber i had 25000 physics logs files
2015-06-09 04:31 <linkedinyou> in one bin folder which it lag to open
2015-06-09 04:33 <smxy> I've never been able to recreate it. It just happens after time has passed.
2015-06-09 04:34 <smxy> It's not a function of # of teleports after colliding, either, as I set up continuous TPs and have gone 400+ continuous without it happening.
2015-06-09 04:34 <misterblue> that's the problem... can't pinpoint what causes it (TPing in? mesh-to-mesh? multiple collsions a tick? ???)
2015-06-09 04:35 <smxy> eer, typo, not 400+ - 4000+
2015-06-09 04:36 <misterblue> I've done similar tests... it is clear that it doesn't happen in the normal code paths
2015-06-09 04:42 <linkedinyou> misterblue:  i just found 1057 physics.logs files in one bin folder of my region that is one gigabyte totall alll files
2015-06-09 04:42 <smxy> yeah, it logs a LOT.
2015-06-09 04:43 <misterblue> the trick would be to have the log files for when collisions stopped
2015-06-09 04:44 <linkedinyou> misterblue: yes this is what i am not able to figure when it stop
2015-06-09 04:45 <smxy> I'm never around when they stop. I just find it that way and restart the region. Icould just recompile the script - that fixes it - but not going to do that for 300 scripts. :)
2015-06-09 04:46 <smxy> fixes it, until the nex time, that is
2015-06-09 04:46 <smxy> next*
2015-06-09 04:47 <linkedinyou> https://dpaste.de/qA4M
2015-06-09 04:48 <linkedinyou> https://dpaste.de/8dYk
2015-06-09 04:55 <smxy> I suppose I could turn on the logging. If I check the gates each morning and night, we'd be able to at least throw out all the logs prior to the last working check.
2015-06-09 05:04 <linkedinyou> i do not know if my log that would help
2015-06-09 05:06 <misterblue> if you look at the logs, you can see "DoPhysicsStep,complete" and that line has a "colliders=N"
2015-06-09 05:07 <misterblue> that "N" should correspond to the "BSCharacter.Collison.AddCollider" that occured a few lines above that
2015-06-09 05:08 <misterblue> if collisisions stopped being seen by scripts, if it was the physics engine, then either thee "AddCollider" message would stop or the number of colliders in the "DoPhysicsStep,complete" should go to zero
2015-06-09 05:08 <linkedinyou> misterblue: yes i see that
2015-06-09 05:09 <misterblue> if, on the other hand, the collisions were will being reported by the physics engine but scripts were not seeing them, then  the problem is somewhere in the plumbing that goes to the script engine
2015-06-09 05:10 <misterblue> that plumbing is complex and it is very possible something is happening there
2015-06-09 05:11 <linkedinyou> misterblue:  is there any debugger sd pdb tools for debugging that we can use it to debug this?
2015-06-09 05:13 <misterblue> linkedinyou, you have logs where collisions should be happening and there are no collisions reported in the log files?
2015-06-09 05:14 <linkedinyou> i did not notice any yes
2015-06-09 05:15 <linkedinyou> misterblue:  or how i can notice where it should happen?
2015-06-09 05:21 <misterblue> when do you notice that collisions stop? is it after a while?
2015-06-09 05:22 <misterblue> I do the physics logging but have a script that deletes log files  that are more than 10 minutes old
2015-06-09 05:22 <misterblue> then, when the Bad Thing happens, I have the last 10 minutes of physics logs to review
2015-06-09 05:28 <misterblue> I've got to run... I will keep looking into this
2015-06-09 05:29 <linkedinyou> misterblue: thank you for the explaining
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2015-06-09 10:58 <osmantis> Bug #7591:04 [SCRIPT] llCastray v3 bugs report 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7591 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2015-06-09 11:49 <JunkHunk> hello here I come again... does anybody know a way to show/hide default opensim trees?
2015-06-09 13:43 <osmantis> Bug #7608:04 Region greatly reduce FPS 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7608 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2015-06-09 13:56 <osmantis> Bug #7608:04 Region greatly reduce FPS 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7608 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-09 14:46 <osmantis> Bug #7608:04 Region greatly reduce FPS 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7608 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2015-06-09 14:46 <Plugh> misterblue: ping
2015-06-09 14:46 <osmantis> Bug #7608:04 Region greatly reduce FPS 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7608 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2015-06-09 14:47 <Plugh> 
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2015-06-09 15:47 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-09 15:48 <osmantis> Bug #7600:04 [XINVENTORY SERVICES CONNECTOR]: Exception in GetFolderContent: The given key was not present in the dictionary 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7600 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-06-09 15:49 <osmantis> Bug #7567:04 Objects in scene not loading until after avatar and attachments are fully rezzed - change in behaviour at r/25970 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-06-09 16:44 <osmantis> Bug #7591:04 [SCRIPT] llCastray v3 bugs report 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7591 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-09 16:46 <osmantis> Bug #7591:04 [SCRIPT] llCastray v3 bugs report 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7591 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2015-06-09 17:38 <Littlefeather> how do you use OsSetParcelDetails to change parcel owner?
2015-06-09 18:04 <Plugh> Littlefeather: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsSetParcelDetails
2015-06-09 18:14 <JunkHunk> hello crew
2015-06-09 18:14 <JunkHunk> I need a crocodile
2015-06-09 18:15 <JunkHunk> but one that swimms and walks
2015-06-09 18:16 <JunkHunk> how is NPC going�?
2015-06-09 18:16 <JunkHunk> youre developers right?
2015-06-09 18:17 <JunkHunk> I ve been searching for NPC info in opensim's site...quite outdated indeed
2015-06-09 18:18 <JunkHunk> and I find my crocodile ambition...too far away
2015-06-09 18:26 <Plugh> You would need a crocodile walk animation. NPCs are scriptable.
2015-06-09 18:28 <Plugh> If you want an animal, I don't think you want an NPC for that but it might be doable if you had an NPC wearing a crocodile avatar outfit.
2015-06-09 18:33 <JeffKelley> have a look at Virunga, every animal is a NPC
2015-06-09 18:33 <nebadon2> it should be possible to make a NPC crocodile
2015-06-09 18:34 <nebadon2> ive seen horses and elephants
2015-06-09 18:34 <nebadon2> and a tiger
2015-06-09 18:34 <nebadon2> but that requires proper animations
2015-06-09 18:34 <nebadon2> its not something you can do strictly programatically
2015-06-09 18:34 <Plugh> Are they under the NPC system or just scripted/prim based objects?
2015-06-09 18:34 <nebadon2> NPCs
2015-06-09 18:34 <nebadon2> they are fully animated the ones i saw
2015-06-09 18:34 <Plugh> ok
2015-06-09 18:34 <nebadon2> mesh objects
2015-06-09 18:34 <nebadon2> rigged using bvh animations
2015-06-09 18:35 <Plugh> nice
2015-06-09 18:35 <nebadon2> just need to make quadraped animations for them
2015-06-09 18:35 <nebadon2> which is tricky
2015-06-09 18:35 <Plugh> yeah
2015-06-09 18:35 <nebadon2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh0qAPxXPIc
2015-06-09 18:36 <Plugh> I've seen a Blender(?) script for generating biped walk sequences. There could be ones out there for quadrupeds.
2015-06-09 18:36 <nebadon2> I would suggest getting in touch with Fred JunkHunk
2015-06-09 18:36 <nebadon2> he is easily reachable on google+
2015-06-09 18:36 <nebadon2> Fred Beckhusen
2015-06-09 18:36 <JeffKelley> http://www.outworldz.com/Opensim/
2015-06-09 18:36 <nebadon2> he is very good at rigging
2015-06-09 18:37 <nebadon2> thanks JeffKelley
2015-06-09 18:37 <Plugh> Walk-o-matic is the walk generation script for Blender.
2015-06-09 18:38 <Plugh> There are some other comments about quadruped walking at http://pyroevil.com/category/scripts-addons/
2015-06-09 18:46 <JunkHunk> cool
2015-06-09 18:47 <JunkHunk> I just build the model with sculptris...
2015-06-09 18:48 <JunkHunk> and I thought the best way to bring it to life would be an npc
2015-06-09 18:49 <JunkHunk> I would like it to crawl out of the watter and run to the other side of the sim to get into the watter again...
2015-06-09 18:50 <JunkHunk> just following a strait line
2015-06-09 18:51 <JunkHunk> I ve seen birds doing that...and flapping wings while squawking
2015-06-09 18:51 <JunkHunk> but that is easier...
2015-06-09 18:51 <JunkHunk> indeed I think I ll start with that one...
2015-06-09 18:52 <JunkHunk> the bird was rezzed though
2015-06-09 18:52 <JunkHunk> I guess llmovetotarget did the trick and then lldie
2015-06-09 18:52 <JunkHunk> I remember even the place...
2015-06-09 18:53 <JunkHunk> it was at canibal island second life
2015-06-09 18:55 <JunkHunk> I guess I could use the same idea for my crocodile...and simulate the movement with a link set textured in alpha layer and texture switcher to make only one prim visible at a time...
2015-06-09 18:55 <JunkHunk> a timer and then the rezz move to target and die idea...
2015-06-09 18:55 <nebadon2> i did that once
2015-06-09 18:55 <nebadon2> its a harsh solution
2015-06-09 18:55 <nebadon2> especially if you need a lot of them
2015-06-09 18:56 <nebadon2> NPC requires a lot less processor cycles
2015-06-09 18:56 <nebadon2> and bandwidth
2015-06-09 18:56 <JunkHunk> really?
2015-06-09 18:56 <nebadon2> and ultimately will look a lot better
2015-06-09 18:56 <nebadon2> yes
2015-06-09 18:56 <nebadon2> rapidly changing textures
2015-06-09 18:56 <nebadon2> means sending out 1000s of updates
2015-06-09 18:56 <nebadon2> and running lots of timers
2015-06-09 18:56 <JunkHunk> I thought they would be more resources demanding things
2015-06-09 18:56 <nebadon2> if you have just 1 crocdile might be ok
2015-06-09 18:56 <nebadon2> if you have 50 of them
2015-06-09 18:56 <nebadon2> not so much
2015-06-09 18:56 <nebadon2> nah
2015-06-09 18:57 <nebadon2> npcs are very light
2015-06-09 18:57 <JunkHunk> cool
2015-06-09 18:57 <nebadon2> compared to running timers in scripts
2015-06-09 18:57 <JunkHunk> ...
2015-06-09 18:57 <nebadon2> and sending out massive amounts of texture updates
2015-06-09 18:57 <JunkHunk> they are only harder to build
2015-06-09 18:57 <JunkHunk> and rig
2015-06-09 18:57 <nebadon2> right
2015-06-09 18:58 <JunkHunk> more over they would adapt to the sloppy terrain thing that the linkset idea wouldn't
2015-06-09 18:58 <nebadon2> ya
2015-06-09 18:59 <nebadon2> npc is a much better solution
2015-06-09 18:59 <nebadon2> if you can get in touch with Fred
2015-06-09 18:59 <nebadon2> he is NPC master
2015-06-09 18:59 <nebadon2> he may have something for you already you can adapt
2015-06-09 18:59 <nebadon2> or worst case point you in the right direction
2015-06-09 19:00 <JunkHunk> Fred
2015-06-09 19:00 <JunkHunk> okay
2015-06-09 19:00 <nebadon2> you can email him here > fred@mitsi.com
2015-06-09 19:01 <JunkHunk> oh
2015-06-09 19:01 <JunkHunk> perfect
2015-06-09 19:02 <JunkHunk> one thing I bumped on when sculpting with sculptris is that...in order to get a nice mesh for rigging you need to retopologize it...
2015-06-09 19:02 <JunkHunk> and that is tough
2015-06-09 19:02 <nebadon2> ya
2015-06-09 19:02 <nebadon2> i found sculptris makes crazy high polygon stuff
2015-06-09 19:03 <JunkHunk> blender has a plugin 70$ cost called retopo something....
2015-06-09 19:03 <nebadon2> I am quite sure its not a great tool for rigging
2015-06-09 19:03 <JunkHunk> that in the video look amazing
2015-06-09 19:03 <nebadon2> sculptris that is
2015-06-09 19:04 <nebadon2> ya most of the good retopo tools cost money
2015-06-09 19:04 <nebadon2> 70$ is cheap 
2015-06-09 19:04 <nebadon2> if it works well
2015-06-09 19:04 <JunkHunk> yep
2015-06-09 19:04 <JunkHunk> let me find the link
2015-06-09 19:04 <nebadon2> the ones i have seen are generally in the 500$+ per seat license range
2015-06-09 19:05 <JunkHunk> https://cgcookiemarkets.com/blender/all-products/retopoflow/
2015-06-09 19:06 <JunkHunk> does anybody here use that tool?
2015-06-09 19:06 <JunkHunk> it looks really boosting
2015-06-09 19:07 <nebadon2> cool
2015-06-09 19:07 <nebadon2> have to take a look in a bit
2015-06-09 19:07 <nebadon2> i need to go afk a bit, excersize time :)
2015-06-09 19:15 <Plugh> I should probably go for a walk but I've got a couple emails I should send out first.
2015-06-09 19:24 <JunkHunk> keep going
2015-06-09 19:52 <Plugh> nebadon2: I briefly looked at the code for those "show grid" commands and nothing jumped out at me as to why the output shows up multiple times.
2015-06-09 19:53 <nebadon2> hmm
2015-06-09 19:54 <Plugh> I was hoping I'd see some error where the output is coming from inside a loop.
2015-06-09 19:56 <Plugh> I also can't relate the number of copies of the output to any thing in particular. ie. why you saw 4 copies and I get 5.
2015-06-09 20:00 <nebadon2> try changing logging level to INFO
2015-06-09 20:00 <nebadon2> from DEBUG
2015-06-09 20:00 <nebadon2> and see if it spits out 4 or 5 still
2015-06-09 20:01 <Plugh> Those aren't sent as log messages.
2015-06-09 20:01 <Plugh> afaik
2015-06-09 20:01 <Plugh> It uses MainConsole.Instance.OutputFormat ()
2015-06-09 20:02 <Plugh> How do I change the log level?
2015-06-09 20:02 <nebadon2> set log level INFO
2015-06-09 20:02 <Plugh> oh. :)
2015-06-09 20:03 <Plugh> no change.
2015-06-09 20:04 <Plugh> Still got 5 copies of the message from 'show grid users online'
2015-06-09 20:04 <nebadon2> ok
2015-06-09 20:05 <nebadon2> what file are you looking at for this command?
2015-06-09 20:05 <Plugh> um...
2015-06-09 20:06 <Plugh> GridUserService.cs
2015-06-09 20:07 <Plugh> OpenSim/Services/UserAccountService/GridUserService.cs
2015-06-09 20:07 <nebadon2> yea im looking at it
2015-06-09 20:08 <Plugh> The routines seem straightforward.
2015-06-09 20:11 <nebadon2> ya is wierd
2015-06-09 20:12 <Plugh> I know.
2015-06-09 20:12 <nebadon2> you grep the code for this command else where?
2015-06-09 20:12 <nebadon2> maybe its replicated in some other file
2015-06-09 20:12 <nebadon2> that would be the only thing that makes sense
2015-06-09 20:13 <nebadon2> maybe grep for HandleShowGridUsersOnline
2015-06-09 20:13 <nebadon2> see if it pops up in other files
2015-06-09 20:13 <nebadon2> i was editing through WinSCP on a remote server
2015-06-09 20:13 <Plugh> It is the only other file that has the string "show grid".
2015-06-09 20:13 <nebadon2> or id grep it myself
2015-06-09 20:13 <Plugh> only file.
2015-06-09 20:14 <nebadon2> what about what i said above though?
2015-06-09 20:14 <nebadon2> the HandleShowGridUsersOnline
2015-06-09 20:14 <Plugh> I grepped for ShowGrid to catch other variants on it and the only other one is HandleShowGridSize outside of that file.
2015-06-09 20:15 <nebadon2> odd
2015-06-09 20:15 <AliciaRaven> is it being called once for each region if the sim has multiple regions?
2015-06-09 20:15 <nebadon2> its robust command
2015-06-09 20:15 <AliciaRaven> ah
2015-06-09 20:16 <diva> ther are multiple instances of these objects in a single robust process
2015-06-09 20:16 <diva> [just catching up every other line]
2015-06-09 20:16 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: If it was once per region I would have gotten only 2.
2015-06-09 20:16 <diva> what's the problem?
2015-06-09 20:16 <nebadon2> oh
2015-06-09 20:16 <Plugh> show grid user <uuid> and show grid users online outputs the response multiple times.
2015-06-09 20:16 <nebadon2> the show grid command spits out 4 results
2015-06-09 20:16 <AliciaRaven> sorry, didnt read enough lol
2015-06-09 20:16 <nebadon2> whenever you trun it
2015-06-09 20:17 <Plugh> nebadon gets the response 4 times and I get it 5 times
2015-06-09 20:17 <nebadon2> well multiple for me it was 4 for plugh 5
2015-06-09 20:17 <diva> run what?
2015-06-09 20:17 <nebadon2> show grid users online
2015-06-09 20:17 <nebadon2> on robust console
2015-06-09 20:17 <Plugh> Those two commands issued in a Robust console.
2015-06-09 20:17 <nebadon2> not a huge deal just wierd
2015-06-09 20:17 <nebadon2> thats all hehe
2015-06-09 20:17 <diva> i can stop that
2015-06-09 20:17 <diva> is that the only command?
2015-06-09 20:18 <Plugh> yea, but you never know what bugs that might indicate.
2015-06-09 20:18 <diva> there are no bugs
2015-06-09 20:18 <diva> :)
2015-06-09 20:18 <nebadon2> just those 2 that we noticed so far
2015-06-09 20:18 <diva> at least not related to this :)
2015-06-09 20:18 <Plugh> diva, it is the only two doing it that I have found so far. 
2015-06-09 20:18 <diva> which two? You just typed one
2015-06-09 20:18 <AliciaRaven> show grid users online prints out 16 times on my robust instance??? wtf
2015-06-09 20:18 <Plugh> I wasn't testing them all. I was just trying to find the source of a problem and thought those commands could help me.
2015-06-09 20:19 <diva> I got one: show grid users online.
2015-06-09 20:19 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: It must really like you. :D
2015-06-09 20:19 <diva> is there any other?
2015-06-09 20:19 <nebadon2> show grid user <uuid>
2015-06-09 20:20 <Plugh> nebadon and I have both look at the routine in GridUserService and it looks fine.
2015-06-09 20:21 <nebadon2> ya from what it sounds like Plugh
2015-06-09 20:21 <nebadon2> diva is saying robust runs multiple of these processes in a single instance
2015-06-09 20:21 <nebadon2> and each one is responding
2015-06-09 20:21 <Plugh> Oh.
2015-06-09 20:21 <nebadon2> my config is likely split up more than yours
2015-06-09 20:21 <Plugh> Let me check.
2015-06-09 20:21 <nebadon2> why i see 4
2015-06-09 20:21 <nebadon2> and you see 5
2015-06-09 20:21 <nebadon2> i have like 8 robust consoles
2015-06-09 20:22 <nebadon2> osgrid had like 12 or 13 of them
2015-06-09 20:22 <Plugh> I only see one Robust when I do 'ps aux |grep Robust'
2015-06-09 20:22 <nebadon2> yes its 1 process
2015-06-09 20:22 <nebadon2> but inside that process it has multiple instances that respond
2015-06-09 20:22 <nebadon2> different services i guess
2015-06-09 20:22 <Plugh> How can I tell how many instances it is running internally?
2015-06-09 20:22 <nebadon2> i'll let her explain
2015-06-09 20:22 <nebadon2> im mostly guessing
2015-06-09 20:22 <nebadon2> heh
2015-06-09 20:23 <Plugh> um... does that indicate diva just fixed it? 
2015-06-09 20:23 <nebadon2> terrain module?
2015-06-09 20:23 <diva> there
2015-06-09 20:23 <diva> wtf?
2015-06-09 20:23 <nebadon2> heh
2015-06-09 20:23 <Plugh> No good deed goes unpunished??  ;)
2015-06-09 20:23 <nebadon2> lol
2015-06-09 20:23 <Plugh> Something got pushed by mistake?
2015-06-09 20:23 <diva> whatda???
2015-06-09 20:24 <nebadon2> ya something definitely got pushed
2015-06-09 20:24 <nebadon2> there is all kinds of changes in that hash
2015-06-09 20:24 <diva> I didn't do that!
2015-06-09 20:24 <diva> it was MisterBlue
2015-06-09 20:24 <diva> I have no idea why it registered as me
2015-06-09 20:24 <nebadon2> wierd
2015-06-09 20:24 <diva> git log show his changes
2015-06-09 20:24 <nebadon2> it registers as a merge too
2015-06-09 20:24 <diva> maybe it was the merge?
2015-06-09 20:24 <nebadon2> must be
2015-06-09 20:25 <Plugh> diva, nice simple fix but not something I would ever have come up with.
2015-06-09 20:25 <nebadon2> wierd it got pushed twice
2015-06-09 20:25 <nebadon2> unless what its saying is it was a merge in your branch
2015-06-09 20:25 <nebadon2> i always reset before making changes
2015-06-09 20:25 <diva> Plugh, what happens is that there may be multiple of these service objects in the same process
2015-06-09 20:25 <nebadon2> like git clean -d -f then git reset --hard
2015-06-09 20:26 <diva> so we need to guard the ocnsole commands as a class-wide thing
2015-06-09 20:26 <diva> only one should do it
2015-06-09 20:26 <nebadon2> nice, thanks diva
2015-06-09 20:26 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-06-09 20:26 <Plugh> yes, thanks diva.
2015-06-09 20:26 <diva> ok, I've no idea why it shows as me. in git log it's correct as MisterBlue
2015-06-09 20:26 <Plugh> I'll cherry pick that change.
2015-06-09 20:27 <nebadon2> in gitview i see both
2015-06-09 20:27 <nebadon2> yours and his
2015-06-09 20:27 <diva> yes
2015-06-09 20:27 <Plugh> 
ACTION wonders why git isn't saving my password.

2015-06-09 20:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #4217 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-09 20:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4217: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4217/
2015-06-09 20:33 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Avoid registering console commands in every single instance of GridUserService running on the same process. Only one registers them now.
2015-06-09 21:30 <smxy> diva: I saw your comment on the collision mantis. Any suggestions on how to diagnose the problem and narrow it down to the script engine or physics?
2015-06-09 21:31 <smxy> Justin had me turn on debug setting that would show all events that the script got, and what we saw was that it stopped receiving the collision event.
2015-06-09 21:32 <smxy> Doesn't really say which the culprit is though.
2015-06-09 21:36 <nebadon2> smxy that was not diva
2015-06-09 21:36 <nebadon2> some kind of wierd merge issue when she checked in her code
2015-06-09 21:36 <nebadon2> misterblue actually did that patch
2015-06-09 21:37 <nebadon2> if you look at log her merge is identical to the commit immediately before
2015-06-09 21:37 <nebadon2> from misterblue
2015-06-09 21:38 <smxy> No, diva made the last comment on mantis #7132
2015-06-09 21:39 <nebadon2> oh
2015-06-09 21:39 <smxy> I was referring to that comment.
2015-06-09 21:39 <nebadon2> gotcha sorry
2015-06-09 21:39 <smxy> :)
2015-06-09 21:53 <Plugh> Hey, misterblue. Have you looked at the vehicle scripts at http://blog.ingen-lab.com/?p=82045  ?
2015-06-09 21:54 <nebadon2> pretty sure I have that motorcycle at Sisyphus
2015-06-09 21:55 <nebadon2> yep i do
2015-06-09 21:55 <nebadon2> its pretty good
2015-06-09 21:55 <Plugh> misterblue: I've been told there are a few issues with the bikes but I haven't taken the time to file a mantis with the comments from the user who was testing them.
2015-06-09 21:56 <nebadon2> ya its not great it could be better
2015-06-09 21:56 <nebadon2> I dont think its any fault of the script or anything
2015-06-09 21:56 <nebadon2> its a lot better than my light cycle is
2015-06-09 21:56 <nebadon2> lol
2015-06-09 21:58 <Plugh> ok, Problems reported may just be due to running older code. Would need for them to test git master but that won't happen any time soon.
2015-06-09 22:00 <diva> smxy: unfortunately nothing concrete jumped at me, also because I don't use scipts that much, so I'm not sure what the fragile parts of the code are...
2015-06-09 22:02 <diva> what's that function called? The lsl function or event that receives that event?
2015-06-09 22:02 <diva> (see, I don't even know what words to use)
2015-06-09 22:03 <diva> collision_start?
2015-06-09 22:05 <diva> my only suggestion is for you to have a test sim where the only thing you test is collision events in scripts
2015-06-09 22:05 <diva> put a bumch of your gates there that don't actually teleport, just register that there was a collision
2015-06-09 22:07 <nebadon2> I can say from experinece that collision events are pretty terrible in bulletsim
2015-06-09 22:07 <nebadon2> remember my npc stuff i made diva
2015-06-09 22:07 <nebadon2> llVolumeDetect fails quite often 
2015-06-09 22:07 <nebadon2> i think its likely the same reason the events fail
2015-06-09 22:08 <nebadon2> same thing only a region restart fixes it
2015-06-09 22:08 <nebadon2> i have door sensors that constantly fail too
2015-06-09 22:08 <diva> that single thing you just said (only restart fixes it) is a strong hint that it's a script engine problem...
2015-06-09 22:08 <nebadon2> that open the door when avatar stands in front, they are on Universal Campus
2015-06-09 22:08 <nebadon2> i doubt it
2015-06-09 22:08 <nebadon2> well maybe
2015-06-09 22:08 <nebadon2> but not fully
2015-06-09 22:08 <nebadon2> cause it doesnt fail in ODE
2015-06-09 22:09 <nebadon2> it seems limited to Bulletsim
2015-06-09 22:09 <nebadon2> soo it may be xengine, but its only limited to bulletsim
2015-06-09 22:10 <diva> well, if that's the case, then this calls for someone to spend some time building the simplest possible object/script that makes it fail, so MisterBlue can look at it 
2015-06-09 22:10 <nebadon2> ya I could provide my Sandbox Oar with NPCs
2015-06-09 22:10 <diva> npcs are too complicated
2015-06-09 22:10 <nebadon2> the problem is someone has to interact with it
2015-06-09 22:11 <nebadon2> potentially for a long while
2015-06-09 22:11 <nebadon2> before it fails
2015-06-09 22:11 <nebadon2> its not instant failure
2015-06-09 22:11 <nebadon2> it works for a while
2015-06-09 22:11 <diva> oh so you would use an npc to intyeract?
2015-06-09 22:11 <nebadon2> however lots of npcs make it fail quicker
2015-06-09 22:11 <nebadon2> ya remember my npc system
2015-06-09 22:11 <diva> ok, then that makes sense
2015-06-09 22:11 <nebadon2> it has waypoints that talk to an attachment the npc wears
2015-06-09 22:11 <nebadon2> when it collides with waypoint it gets next waypoint location
2015-06-09 22:12 <diva> but make it as simple as possible
2015-06-09 22:12 <nebadon2> ya this is quite simple
2015-06-09 22:12 <diva> I mean either you or smxy
2015-06-09 22:12 <diva> since smxy is so keen in having this fixed
2015-06-09 22:12 <nebadon2> I am too
2015-06-09 22:12 <diva> ok
2015-06-09 22:13 <diva> have an NPC do nothing but go back and forth with an object that has a collision detection script
2015-06-09 22:13 <diva> until it fails
2015-06-09 22:13 <diva> that's the simplest scenario
2015-06-09 22:13 <nebadon2> yea
2015-06-09 22:13 <diva> no attachs, no nothing, just go back and forth
2015-06-09 22:13 <nebadon2> well it has to have an attach
2015-06-09 22:13 <nebadon2> thats what listens for the coordinates
2015-06-09 22:13 <diva> what coordinates?
2015-06-09 22:13 <nebadon2> the waypoint coordinates
2015-06-09 22:14 <diva> why do you need those?
2015-06-09 22:14 <nebadon2> because the other methods fail more
2015-06-09 22:14 <diva> I don't get it
2015-06-09 22:14 <nebadon2> i made a system that lets me just drag out copies of the waypoints
2015-06-09 22:14 <diva> If I was debugging this issue I would want the simplest possible set up that makes the bug happen more or less reliably
2015-06-09 22:15 <diva> I don't want anything more than the simplest thing
2015-06-09 22:15 <nebadon2> well i tried just about every method
2015-06-09 22:15 <nebadon2> and this was the only one that worked 100% of the time
2015-06-09 22:15 <nebadon2> on ODE i wrote all of this
2015-06-09 22:15 <nebadon2> then bulletsim came along and it never worked
2015-06-09 22:15 <diva> we want it to fail, not to succeed...
2015-06-09 22:15 <nebadon2> right
2015-06-09 22:15 <nebadon2> im saying if i cahnge methods
2015-06-09 22:15 <nebadon2> it will fail for different reason
2015-06-09 22:15 <nebadon2> atleast it did back then
2015-06-09 22:16 <diva> here's what I have in mind
2015-06-09 22:16 <diva> place an object with a collider script in it in a known location in world
2015-06-09 22:16 <diva> place an NPC 10 meters away from the object
2015-06-09 22:16 <nebadon2> im not sure it is possible to tell an NPC to move to a certain location
2015-06-09 22:16 <nebadon2> without them wearing something
2015-06-09 22:16 <nebadon2> is it?
2015-06-09 22:16 <nebadon2> i cant remember now
2015-06-09 22:17 <diva> have the NPC walk straight to the object so it collides, then have it walk backwards
2015-06-09 22:17 <diva> then forward, then backward, etc
2015-06-09 22:17 <diva> you can hard code the coordinates in the script!
2015-06-09 22:17 <nebadon2> its been a long time since i messed with npcs
2015-06-09 22:17 <diva> you know where the object is
2015-06-09 22:18 <diva> if you want to make it fail faster, have 2 objects/colliders and have the NPC walk between one and the other over and over again
2015-06-09 22:18 <nebadon2> yea
2015-06-09 22:19 <nebadon2> im trying to recall now the probelms
2015-06-09 22:19 <nebadon2> i remember it being difficult to get the NPC to follow predetermined path
2015-06-09 22:19 <nebadon2> because osNpcMoveTo could never match up with llGetPos 100%
2015-06-09 22:19 <nebadon2> or some other function
2015-06-09 22:20 <diva> doesn't the collider have a margin of collision detection?
2015-06-09 22:20 <nebadon2> ya I can probably come up with something
2015-06-09 22:20 <nebadon2> I just completely forget most of the OSSLNPC stuff now
2015-06-09 22:20 <nebadon2> i stopped using it 
2015-06-09 22:20 <nebadon2> cause its pretty unreliable most of it
2015-06-09 22:21 <nebadon2> probably mostly because of xengine
2015-06-09 22:21 <nebadon2> more than anything
2015-06-09 22:21 <diva> yeah, just make it as simple as possible. The simplest thing that shows the bug is always the best to fix it. MisterBlue will appreciate it. If he can see it happen, he wil fix it in no time
2015-06-09 22:21 <diva> that is, if it's physics...
2015-06-09 22:21 <diva> it may be xengine
2015-06-09 22:21 <nebadon2> ya
2015-06-09 22:21 <nebadon2> could be
2015-06-09 22:21 <nebadon2> i can say it was almost infoulable in ODE though
2015-06-09 22:21 <diva> but he may fix it too, if he looks into it with a reliably failing situation
2015-06-09 22:21 <nebadon2> that doesnt mean it isnt xengine though
2015-06-09 22:22 <nebadon2> I had my NPC demo on sandbox going for like 3 months on ODE
2015-06-09 22:22 <nebadon2> and it never failed during that time
2015-06-09 22:23 <nebadon2> with bulletsim it fails usually in a few hours
2015-06-09 22:23 <nebadon2> on some of our big encitra models
2015-06-09 22:23 <nebadon2> it would fail in minutes
2015-06-09 22:23 <nebadon2> which kind of points at physics, since there was a ton more content there
2015-06-09 22:24 <nebadon2> and very little in terms of scripts
2015-06-09 22:24 <nebadon2> my sandboxes were quite scripty
2015-06-09 22:31 <dahlia> my pathfinding npcs seem to work ok
2015-06-09 22:32 <nebadon2> they don't rely on LSL events though right?
2015-06-09 22:32 <nebadon2> or LSL at all for that matter?
2015-06-09 22:33 <dahlia> its all lsl except for a special lsl command which returns a list of points to get from one place to another
2015-06-09 22:34 <dahlia> the rest is all normal script stuffs
2015-06-09 22:35 <diva> do they do collision detection?
2015-06-09 22:35 <dahlia> no
2015-06-09 22:35 <diva> ok, so not related to this particular issue
2015-06-09 22:36 <dahlia> ah ok
2015-06-09 22:36 <dahlia> I dont use collisions
2015-06-09 22:37 <dahlia> I take dot product of direction from last point to this point and diretion of this point to npc, if it's <= 0 I assume it's past that point and should head towards the next
2015-06-09 22:55 <smxy> back. let me read up ...
2015-06-09 23:01 <smxy> diva: recompiling the script in the gate makes it work again too. A restart's just simpler than recompiling 200+ gate scripts. And unlike nebadon, I'm not using volume detect, just normal avatar to prim collision. And I am calling ,y teleport routine from collision_start.
2015-06-09 23:01 <smxy> my*
2015-06-09 23:01 <nebadon2> ok
2015-06-09 23:01 <smxy> I never had the problem with ode, only after switching to bulletsim.
2015-06-09 23:01 <nebadon2> that does sound more like xengine then
2015-06-09 23:01 <nebadon2> ah ok
2015-06-09 23:01 <nebadon2> ya its hard to say
2015-06-09 23:01 <nebadon2> maybe just some kind of timing thing with bulletsim and xengine
2015-06-09 23:01 <smxy> The other thing I mention in that mantis, is that the gate always registers a collision_end, if the destination is in-region, but *never* does if it's to another region, whether on my grid or another.
2015-06-09 23:02 <smxy> Others have seen that too.
2015-06-09 23:02 <diva> one of you who cares about this needs to make the simplest possible setup that reproduces this bug. Using an NPC to interact with the object repeatedly sounds like a very good idea
2015-06-09 23:02 <diva> it's really close to impossible to fix these kinds of bug just with a description on something that happens on a real sim after it's up for 20 hours
2015-06-09 23:02 <smxy> Well, I did perform 4000 back to back collisions+teleports and never could cause it. Only a variable amount of time seems to do it.
2015-06-09 23:03 <nebadon2> yea
2015-06-09 23:05 <smxy> I restart my region every night and sometimes it still happens before the next restart, so under 24 hours. Yet I can set up continuous teleports that run for 4 dys or more and it won't happen.
2015-06-09 23:05 <smxy> Very frustrating.
2015-06-09 23:08 <diva> if you don't make an effort to try to reproduce it with a simple, possibly bombastic, setup, the bug is very unlikely to be fixed
2015-06-09 23:08 <diva> just sayin'
2015-06-09 23:09 <smxy> Another thing. It'll happen at the same time in two different regions, each running in their own simulator, but on the same server. And it's not always *all* gates that stop working - sometimes a handful still will.
2015-06-09 23:09 <smxy> I understand. I'm just not sure what to do as nothing I've ever done has caused it.
2015-06-09 23:10 <diva> I don't care about it enough, but if I did, the first thing I would do would be to make a setup that exaggerates something until it happens more or less reliably and fast -- exaggerate the number of collisions, or the number of collision scripts or whatever
2015-06-09 23:13 <diva> so there's definitely something you can do to help fix the bug beyond reporting it informally
2015-06-09 23:15 <smxy> I'll keep trying, but you make it sound like I haven't. I've spent solid weeks and weeks trying to make the thing trigger, even once.
2015-06-09 23:15 <smxy> No one else has made it happen on command either.
2015-06-09 23:15 <nebadon2> well needs to be something we can hand off to misterblue
2015-06-09 23:15 <nebadon2> or any dev for that matter
2015-06-09 23:16 <nebadon2> like an oar or something they can load to see it themselves
2015-06-09 23:16 <nebadon2> something reproducable
2015-06-09 23:20 <diva> decrease/increase the number of threads in XEngine, tune physics configs... anything that helps make it happen more reliably. Exaggerate, take things to the limit. So far it seems you are more interested in operating under your fixed setup, understadably in production sims. But that doen't help in bugs like these. You need to construct something that's artificially made with the sole 
2015-06-09 23:20 <diva> purpose of making the bug appear reliably and faster. Don't wait for the cat to show up, open a tuna can!
2015-06-09 23:20 <nebadon2> lol
2015-06-09 23:21 <smxy> heh
2015-06-09 23:21 <dahlia> is that the same collision that fails on those door scripts?
2015-06-09 23:22 <smxy> misterblue says he's tried dropping something like 4 million (?) balls on something, to cause collisions, and they all registered. He wondered if the teleport had to be involved. But my test did collision and teleport and didn't trigger it either.
2015-06-09 23:22 <diva> it all points to collisions. Neb's NPCs don't teleport and neither do the doors
2015-06-09 23:23 <dahlia> like the doors on the center building in wright plaza
2015-06-09 23:23 <dahlia> or on that breakout region building from the OSCC oars
2015-06-09 23:23 <nebadon2> ya they use llVolumeDetect
2015-06-09 23:23 <smxy> but those use volume_detect, yes? That's a whole different kind of collision, isn't it, than avatar to prim?
2015-06-09 23:24 <nebadon2> but I suspect that works in a very similar fashion to the collision event
2015-06-09 23:24 <nebadon2> they both fail in a very similar manner
2015-06-09 23:24 <dahlia> doesnt volume detect require phantom?
2015-06-09 23:24 <nebadon2> it does but it appears to use bulletsim
2015-06-09 23:24 <nebadon2> as it doesnt ever fail in ODE
2015-06-09 23:24 <nebadon2> i dont recall it failing even once
2015-06-09 23:25 <dahlia> well whatever those doors use, they fail a lot in bulletsim
2015-06-09 23:25 <nebadon2> yea
2015-06-09 23:25 <dahlia> no idea about ODE
2015-06-09 23:25 <nebadon2> the door itself uses the collision event
2015-06-09 23:25 <diva> all it's needed is to make the simplest failure mode happen fast. If you build something that makes it happen in 10 minutes, misterblue -- or dahlia or I -- can probably fix it
2015-06-09 23:25 <nebadon2> but the sensor in front of the door is a phantom cube
2015-06-09 23:25 <nebadon2> using llvolumedetect
2015-06-09 23:25 <nebadon2> I beleive both are failing pretty consistently
2015-06-09 23:25 <smxy> understood diva, we just don't know how to repro it.
2015-06-09 23:26 <nebadon2> the touch event seems to continue to work though
2015-06-09 23:26 <dahlia> I'd think just something that rezzes a NPC and walks into a collision detect prim over and over until it fails
2015-06-09 23:26 <nebadon2> yea
2015-06-09 23:26 <nebadon2> maybe a counter
2015-06-09 23:26 <nebadon2> or something to visually see its failed
2015-06-09 23:26 <nebadon2> maybe timestamp in the hover text
2015-06-09 23:26 <nebadon2> so you can see how long since it failed
2015-06-09 23:27 <smxy> good idea
2015-06-09 23:27 <nebadon2> ill try to rig something up that doesnt need to be stared at for 48 hours
2015-06-09 23:27 <nebadon2> lol
2015-06-09 23:27 <smxy> When I was doing my continuous TPs, I had a counter in each gate that chatted
2015-06-09 23:40 <ldlework> diva: still working on your scripting stuff?
2015-06-09 23:41 <diva> what scripting stuff?
2015-06-09 23:56 <ldlework> diva: you mentioned that you were considering an alternative scripting engine and then we talked about Shovel
2015-06-09 23:59 <diva> those were just ideas and wishes. A scripting engine is a lot of work. I don't have time to do that without it being part of the day job somehow.
2015-06-10 00:12 <nebadon2> hmm wierd, testing out the mono nightly tarball, it no longer seems able to run opensimulator
2015-06-10 00:13 <dahlia> can it run anything?
2015-06-10 00:13 <nebadon2> hopefully just in a broken state
2015-06-10 00:13 <nebadon2> not sure all i did was try to start opensim so far
2015-06-10 00:14 <dahlia> try a bot or something
2015-06-10 00:14 <nebadon2> the failure message is like the same message as if you didnt configure the OpenSim.ini
2015-06-10 00:14 <nebadon2> like you just renamed the OpenSim.ini.example and didnt change anything
2015-06-10 00:14 <nebadon2> maybe a nini fail
2015-06-10 00:15 <nebadon2> Could not load an ISimulationDataService implementation in [SimulationDataStore] config section
2015-06-10 00:16 <nebadon2> its like nini includes are failing
2015-06-10 00:16 <dahlia> or maybe addins
2015-06-10 00:17 <nebadon2> hmm ya
2015-06-10 00:17 <nebadon2> probably more likely
2015-06-10 00:17 <nebadon2> im going to test by copying that into OpenSim.ini
2015-06-10 00:17 <nebadon2> and see if it gets further
2015-06-10 00:18 <nebadon2> nope it doesnt
2015-06-10 00:18 <nebadon2> must be addins
2015-06-10 00:18 <dahlia> maybe
2015-06-10 00:18 <dahlia> have any other .net program?
2015-06-10 00:18 <dahlia> like a bot or something?
2015-06-10 00:19 <nebadon2> nothing handy i could download radegast
2015-06-10 00:19 <dahlia> pcampbot?
2015-06-10 00:19 <nebadon2> yea i could give that a whirl
2015-06-10 00:20 <dahlia> radegast is pretty intense
2015-06-10 00:20 <dahlia> lots of stuff going on in it
2015-06-10 00:20 <dahlia> maybe Robust might be easier, dunno
2015-06-10 00:25 <nebadon2> pcampbot is so annoying
2015-06-10 00:25 <nebadon2> has to have numbered account names
2015-06-10 00:25 <nebadon2> blah
2015-06-10 00:26 <nebadon2> ot seems to start on the console and displays no errors
2015-06-10 00:26 <nebadon2> but its not actually logging anything in
2015-06-10 00:26 <nebadon2> im just going to try radegast
2015-06-10 00:26 <nebadon2> I have never really used libomv bots
2015-06-10 00:26 <nebadon2> just pcampbot long ago
2015-06-10 00:26 <dahlia> ya I never use pcampbot, I use testclient instead
2015-06-10 00:28 <dahlia> if it's some nini thing, maybe you know enough already
2015-06-10 00:28 <nebadon2> radegast runs
2015-06-10 00:28 <nebadon2> and I can log in just fine
2015-06-10 00:28 <nebadon2> even renders 3d
2015-06-10 00:29 <dahlia> ya maybe nini or addins or something
2015-06-10 00:29 <dahlia> dunno
2015-06-10 00:29 <nebadon2> this mono is running radegast better than I have ever seen it run on linux
2015-06-10 00:29 <nebadon2> usually it just crashes on me
2015-06-10 00:29 <dahlia> I dont have a good understanding of nini or addins
2015-06-10 00:30 <nebadon2> I am hoping its just in a temporary broken state
2015-06-10 00:30 <nebadon2> ill try again next week
2015-06-10 00:30 <nebadon2> see if anything improves
2015-06-10 00:30 <nebadon2> its mono 4.3.0.109
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2015-06-10 02:45 <osmantis> Bug #7609:04 Using bullet physics a boad script will sink if trying to turn 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7609 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-10 02:47 <osmantis> Bug #7609:04 Using bullet physics a boat script will sink if trying to turn 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7609 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-06-10 04:18 <linkedinyou> Opensiming dream gone ..... Talkin' to myself and feelin' old . Sometimes I'd like to quit . Nothing ever seems to fit . Hangin' around . Nothing to do but frown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvvnBKRD1bc
2015-06-10 07:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #4218 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-10 07:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4218: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4218/
2015-06-10 07:50 <osjenkins> dahlia: Update libomv to current HEAD f75dccc313f3
2015-06-10 08:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #4219 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-10 08:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4219: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4219/
2015-06-10 08:31 <osjenkins> dahlia: SceneObjectPart.UpdateLookAt() now uses corrected libomv quaternion functions.
2015-06-10 11:11 <osmantis> Bug #7536:04 [COALESCED SCENE OBJECTS SERIALIZER]: Deserialization of xml failed with Root element is missing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7536 ): has been CLOSED
2015-06-10 13:11 <osmantis> Bug #7609:04 Using bullet physics a boat script will sink if trying to turn 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7609 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-06-10 20:29 <Dev_Random> ha
2015-06-10 20:29 <Dev_Random> sloppy focus gets me again
2015-06-10 20:30 <Plugh> grr... I'm having trouble getting MonoDevelop to stop saying that I may be missing an assembly reference when I reference MySQL.Data
2015-06-10 20:33 <lkalif> remove depencancy and re-add it manually?
2015-06-10 20:50 <Plugh> I removed it from MonoDevelop but I can't add it back. Doesn't appear in the list of references I can add.
2015-06-10 20:51 <lkalif> browse to the bin folder ans add MySQL.Data.dll
2015-06-10 20:51 <lkalif> or was it some other path, the file is there
2015-06-10 20:52 <Plugh> ok, I can add it locally if I have to. The docs I read say I was supposed to add it to /usr/lib/mono/gac which is what I did using gacutil.
2015-06-10 20:55 <Plugh> That worked. I haven't rebuilt this app since I upgraded to Mint 17. I didn't have the file locally before. Don't remember how I made it available to MonoDevelop previously.
2015-06-10 20:56 <Plugh> I can go with this for now. I'll do more digging on how to reference it without including it in my source tree another time.
2015-06-10 20:58 <Plugh> wow. It may have been about two years since I last built the app. No wonder some things have changed. :)
2015-06-10 20:59 <Plugh> um... 3 years.
2015-06-10 21:02 <Plugh> No, that didn't fix things. Tried Build All and it failed. Build solution items succeeded but must not have done anything.
2015-06-10 21:04 <Plugh> bbl
2015-06-10 22:00 <osmantis> Bug #7609:04 Using bullet physics a boat script will sink if trying to turn 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7609 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-06-10 23:27 <nebadon2> https://store.google.com/product/project_tango_tablet_white
2015-06-10 23:34 <Plugh> Um... I don't see anything in terms of any product
2015-06-10 23:34 <nebadon2> maybe its USA only
2015-06-10 23:34 <nebadon2> for the moment
2015-06-10 23:34 <Plugh> could be
2015-06-10 23:35 <nebadon2> http://www.engadget.com/2015/05/28/google-project-tango-public-release/
2015-06-10 23:35 <nebadon2> https://www.google.com/atap/project-tango/
2015-06-10 23:36 <Plugh> yup. It says the device is currently available only in the US.
2015-06-10 23:37 <nebadon2> ya i just saw that too
2015-06-10 23:39 <Plugh> you know there are geeks behind a contest when the prize money is a power of 2
2015-06-10 23:39 <Plugh> $8,192 and $4,096
2015-06-10 23:39 <nebadon2> lol
2015-06-10 23:40 <Plugh> I can't (easily) find info on the resolution of the scanning.
2015-06-10 23:42 <Plugh> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/nixtek/tomato-full-color-process-desktop-3d-printer/updates
2015-06-10 23:42 <Plugh> Yet another 3D printer, with a slight twist
2015-06-11 01:23 <osmantis> Bug #7609:04 Using bullet physics a boat script will sink if trying to turn 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7609 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-11 01:25 <osmantis> Bug #7609:04 Using bullet physics a boat script will sink if trying to turn 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7609 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-06-11 05:40 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-11 13:18 <velusuniversesys> hey all who is about?
2015-06-11 15:00 <velusuniversesys> hello ainyone about
2015-06-11 15:07 <mjheilmann> I'm here, but I'm not a core dev.  It may be easier to just ask your question and leave it up for a bit, as most people in here are multitasking
2015-06-11 15:17 <velusuniversesys> how are the assests stored, i.e i see they are as a .bin but if i wasx creating a webui how would i turn the assets into a picture? 
2015-06-11 15:20 <mjheilmann> What do you mean?  Are you talking about client graphics, default graphics, or the in-world assets that are stored in the database?
2015-06-11 15:30 <nebadon> images are stored at jpeg2000 format
2015-06-11 15:31 <nebadon> you would need to use imagemagick to convert it on the fly 
2015-06-11 15:31 <nebadon> web browsers can not handle jpeg2000 formayt
2015-06-11 15:40 <velusuniversesys> ok would gd not do it?
2015-06-11 15:40 <velusuniversesys> why is it in the db as a .bin file and not a .j2k or something
2015-06-11 15:42 <velusuniversesys> ill be about an hourt i need to go and grab my tea
2015-06-11 17:37 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-11 18:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #4220 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-11 18:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4220: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4220/
2015-06-11 18:45 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Restoring ICSharpCode.SharpZipLib.dll to what it was before, as it seems to have been inadvertently replaced in commit edcba95ab561abeedc4023c319c578d8ddd83c61
2015-06-11 23:11 <nebadon2> Melanie_T ping
2015-06-11 23:42 <Melanie_T> pong
2015-06-11 23:47 <nebadon2> hey
2015-06-11 23:47 <nebadon2> Melanie_T not sure if you remember Roux84, he wrote a lot of OpenSimWI back in the day
2015-06-11 23:47 <nebadon2> he and others have been asking about fsassets
2015-06-11 23:47 <nebadon2> i know you said its not quite core ready
2015-06-11 23:48 <nebadon2> but maybe you could share it as a module?
2015-06-11 23:48 <Melanie_T> the non-core-readiness is only the fact that it lives under addon-modules
2015-06-11 23:48 <Melanie_T> of course I can easily share it in that form
2015-06-11 23:48 <nebadon2> that would be a good start I think
2015-06-11 23:49 <Melanie_T> i'll pick it up off your server as I made some changes to that version to make it more generic
2015-06-11 23:49 <Melanie_T> and dro it on github
2015-06-11 23:49 <Melanie_T> i already have an opensim modules repo there
2015-06-11 23:49 <nebadon2> awesome thanks
2015-06-11 23:50 <nebadon2> are there any tools for converting from existing databases?
2015-06-11 23:52 <Melanie_T> no
2015-06-11 23:52 <Melanie_T> it's also not integrated with OpenSim.Data or Migrations
2015-06-11 23:52 <Melanie_T> because avn doesn't use that
2015-06-11 23:52 <nebadon2> ok
2015-06-11 23:52 <nebadon2> well its a start for people who want to tinker with it
2015-06-11 23:52 <nebadon2> and maybe contribute to it
2015-06-11 23:53 <nebadon2> im sure Roux84 might come up with something
2015-06-11 23:53 <nebadon2> the sras php dump tool would probably help in migrating
2015-06-11 23:54 <Melanie_T> well, what we did was to use a feature of fsassets that allows to "pass through" from another asset server
2015-06-11 23:54 <Melanie_T> i don't recall if i left that in for the osgrid version
2015-06-11 23:54 <Melanie_T> but basically it allows to load another asset connector that gets asked if an asset isn't there
2015-06-11 23:54 <Melanie_T> so the way it works is that the sim will ask the asset server for an asset
2015-06-11 23:54 <Melanie_T> if it's there, it's served
2015-06-11 23:55 <Melanie_T> if it's not there, it's gotten from the secondary server and stored in fsassets, then served to the sim
2015-06-11 23:55 <Melanie_T> allowing a migration to fsassets in a running grid
2015-06-11 23:56 <Melanie_T> as you may know, avination doesn't do the "scheduled downtime" thing, we've upgraded our entire services twice and replaced all our servers twice also
2015-06-11 23:56 <Melanie_T> all while stayuing open
2015-06-11 23:58 <nebadon2> yea
2015-06-11 23:58 <nebadon2> cool thanks 
2015-06-12 00:08 <Plugh> The PHP script I wrote when I was testing asset blobs on disk may also help someone wanting a tool to do a migration to fsassets.
2015-06-12 00:10 <Melanie_T> https://github.com/MelanieT/opensim-modules
2015-06-12 00:10 <Melanie_T> it's up
2015-06-12 00:14 <nebadon2> ya maybe Plugh
2015-06-12 00:15 <nebadon2> cool Melanie_T I guess Roux84 went afk
2015-06-12 00:15 <nebadon2> im sure he will be around
2015-06-12 00:16 <Melanie_T> just throwing it out un-cored was never a problem
2015-06-12 00:16 <Melanie_T> the problem was only me not having the time to integrate it
2015-06-12 00:16 <nebadon2> yea
2015-06-12 00:19 <nebadon2> is there any ini settings?
2015-06-12 00:19 <nebadon2> its just 3 files?
2015-06-12 00:20 <Melanie_T> right now the code is the documentation
2015-06-12 00:25 <Melanie_T> i don't have time to document it either
2015-06-12 00:28 <nebadon2> is there an example snippet of ini code you could include?
2015-06-12 00:28 <Melanie_T> not right now
2015-06-12 00:28 <Melanie_T> too much work this second
2015-06-12 00:28 <nebadon2> ya not this second
2015-06-12 00:28 <nebadon2> but when you get a chance
2015-06-12 00:36 <Roux84> thx Melanie for sharing, i already compiled it and play around with it now, if i integrate the dll into opensim 0.8.1 robust, it works well with the 081 version?
2015-06-12 00:40 <nebadon2> it should very little has changed between 081 and 082dev that would effect a robust module
2015-06-12 01:10 <Roux84> melanie, hdfsdll is missing its set as reference in the build
2015-06-12 01:17 <Melanie_T> Roux84: that is a leftover
2015-06-12 01:17 <Melanie_T> just remove it
2015-06-12 01:17 <Melanie_T> copypasta
2015-06-12 01:18 <Melanie_T> i also have HDFSassets which uses a hadoop large cluster filesystem
2015-06-12 01:18 <Melanie_T> i cloned the build files from it
2015-06-12 01:35 <Roux84> k
2015-06-12 01:41 <osmantis> Bug #7603:04 Unusually high CPU load after HG visitor attempts inventory action 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7603 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-12 01:51 <Plugh> Nice. Sim rotation as a module.
2015-06-12 01:56 <Melanie_T> Plugh: been available for years, check the dates
2015-06-12 01:56 <Melanie_T> best part, you can be ON the sim while it does it
2015-06-12 01:56 <Melanie_T> fun
2015-06-12 01:57 <dahlia> rotate module?
2015-06-12 01:57 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-06-12 01:57 <dahlia> in core?
2015-06-12 01:57 <Melanie_T> rotates all objects + terrain in 90 degree stepa
2015-06-12 01:57 <Melanie_T> no in my public modules repo
2015-06-12 01:57 <dahlia> oh
2015-06-12 01:58 <Melanie_T> which is also where the python region module stuff is now
2015-06-12 01:58 <Melanie_T> but developed more
2015-06-12 01:58 <dahlia> I added a command to rotate but it doesnt do terrain
2015-06-12 01:58 <dahlia> but it does arbitrary angles
2015-06-12 01:59 <Melanie_T> i suppose each has it's uses
2015-06-12 01:59 <Melanie_T> mine was designed to "dock" sims
2015-06-12 01:59 <Melanie_T> like "i want to be placed nect to that mall but i want the side with the club to face the mall"
2015-06-12 02:00 <dahlia> I didnt do terrain because rotating terrain in arbitrary angles would be lossy
2015-06-12 02:00 <Melanie_T> arbitrary angle rotation of a square within a square boundary is lossy anyway
2015-06-12 02:00 <Plugh> I don't recall if I'd seen that rotate module before.
2015-06-12 02:01 <Plugh> I have a script that does rotations.
2015-06-12 02:01 <dahlia> "rotate scene", "scale scene", "translate scene"
2015-06-12 02:01 <dahlia> console commands
2015-06-12 02:01 <Melanie_T> this one provides region rotate left|right
2015-06-12 02:01 <Plugh> What does the console one do?
2015-06-12 02:02 <dahlia> rotates all the objects around the center of the region
2015-06-12 02:02 <dahlia> or an center you specify
2015-06-12 02:02 <Melanie_T> mine is also console just not core
2015-06-12 02:03 <dahlia> ya if it was in core I probably would have just modified it for arbitrary angoes :)
2015-06-12 02:03 <dahlia> *angles
2015-06-12 02:04 <Plugh> I haven't had anyone ask to have a region rotated in some time.
2015-06-12 02:04 <dahlia> I did mine when that epic castle oar came out, I wanted to make it larger and rotate it 45 degrees
2015-06-12 02:04 <Melanie_T> it happens every once in a blue moon in avn
2015-06-12 02:04 <dahlia> so I made those commands then I decided to share them
2015-06-12 02:05 <Melanie_T> same here, i had a large project and one sm was built the wrong way arund
2015-06-12 02:05 <Melanie_T> had to rotate it and decided to share it
2015-06-12 02:05 <dahlia> oops
2015-06-12 02:06 <dahlia> mine doesnt work for foliage for some unknown reason, never fitured out why
2015-06-12 02:06 <dahlia> *figured
2015-06-12 02:06 <dahlia> something strange about linden trees in scene
2015-06-12 02:07 <Melanie_T> they have a different PCode
2015-06-12 02:07 <Melanie_T> and the tree type is "State"
2015-06-12 02:07 <Melanie_T> prims have PCode 9 and state == 0
2015-06-12 02:07 <dahlia> dont think I paid any attention to pcode or state
2015-06-12 02:07 <dahlia> state means attachment tho I thought?
2015-06-12 02:07 <Melanie_T> mine moved linden trees
2015-06-12 02:07 <Melanie_T> not if pcode isn't 9
2015-06-12 02:07 <dahlia> ah ok
2015-06-12 03:00 <Melanie_T> grrrr i qish i could inject netiquette into these people with a HUGE needle inthe buut LOL
2015-06-12 03:01 <Melanie_T> people keep IMing me without permission
2015-06-12 16:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #4221 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-12 16:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4221: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4221/
2015-06-12 16:10 <osjenkins> bluewall: Removing parts that escaped from the lab - thanks AliciaRaven
2015-06-12 16:25 <Plugh> I might as well abandon my C# project for another couple years. Maybe the next version of Linux Mint may let MonoDevelop work with MySQL databases once more. 
2015-06-12 17:06 <BlueWall> Plugh, you should be able to install the mysql dll (the one we use should work) into a place you can reference when you add the assemblies.
2015-06-12 17:07 <BlueWall> If it works with OpenSim, then it will work with any project. You just need to reference the assembly.
2015-06-12 17:07 <BlueWall> (we do it with prebuild)
2015-06-12 17:08 <BlueWall> I think you just right click your project and select "Edit Assemblies" and locate the MySQL dll, and add it to the project. Then yo ushoudl be able to use it.
2015-06-12 17:16 <AliciaRaven> misterblue you here?
2015-06-12 17:18 <AliciaRaven> in BSAPIXNA.cs in bullet code, there is an unused variable named frame2v, i think it should be passed on line 661 instead of frame1v?
2015-06-12 17:36 <Plugh> BlueWall: When I last built my project I was running Linux Mint 14 and I didn't have the dll in my source tree and it was working fine.
2015-06-12 17:37 <Plugh> I can try it with the one from OpenSim and see if it works any better than the one from the MySQL site.
2015-06-12 17:38 <BlueWall> the Mint distro may have installed it in the GAC and maybe the new one doesn't have it installed?
2015-06-12 17:40 <Plugh> The instructions I read says to install the dll in to the gac so I did that but mono still shows no available reference for MySQL. I also copied the v2.0, v4.0, and v4.5 connector files it in to the 2.0, 4.0, and 4.5 of mono and that didn't help either.
2015-06-12 17:41 <BlueWall> if you build against things in your GAC, then you will require people using your application to install it too.
2015-06-12 17:42 <Plugh> I'm using monodevelop to compile it like I did before. For now I just need it to build and run on my machine. If I have to I can provide the DLL when I need to use it on another machine.
2015-06-12 17:44 <BlueWall> If you look at your project and click the + to open up the structire, then right click on "References" and select "Edit References" ...
2015-06-12 17:44 <BlueWall> In that dialog, you can get the tab - .Net Assembly
2015-06-12 17:45 <BlueWall> ... "Browse", then locate the dll you want to reference.
2015-06-12 17:45 <BlueWall> when you build your project, then the dll will be copied to your build directory.
2015-06-12 17:46 <BlueWall> if you build on other machines, then the sources should include a copy of the dll, and it should reside in a place like our ./bin directory
2015-06-12 17:47 <BlueWall> Then the dll will always be in the same relative location and will be the version you require.
2015-06-12 17:52 <Plugh> I tried something like that earlier and it failed to build.
2015-06-12 17:52 <Plugh> I'll try it again with the OpenSim dll file instead of the "official" connector dll.
2015-06-12 17:53 <BlueWall> what version of monodevelop are you using?
2015-06-12 17:54 <Plugh> 4.0.12
2015-06-12 17:55 <BlueWall> see if you have "Get Nuget Packages" in the "Project" menu.
2015-06-12 17:58 <Plugh> nebadon2: ping
2015-06-12 17:58 <Plugh> BlueWall: no such entry in this version of MD
2015-06-12 17:58 <BlueWall> ok
2015-06-12 17:58 <nebadon2> hey Plugh whats up
2015-06-12 17:59 <Plugh> nebadon2: Who made that grid map thing for osgrid?
2015-06-12 17:59 <Plugh> nebadon2: and does it support the showing of var regions?
2015-06-12 18:00 <nebadon2> webmap you mean?
2015-06-12 18:00 <nebadon2> that is from Avination
2015-06-12 18:00 <Plugh> http://www.osgrid.org/index.php/gridmap
2015-06-12 18:00 <nebadon2> Melanie_T
2015-06-12 18:00 <nebadon2> and no
2015-06-12 18:00 <nebadon2> it has no var support at this point
2015-06-12 18:00 <Plugh> ok.
2015-06-12 18:00 <nebadon2> http://download.osgrid.org/webmap_v1.2.zip
2015-06-12 18:01 <nebadon2> basically it will only show the mw sw 256m
2015-06-12 18:01 <Plugh> ok
2015-06-12 18:02 <Plugh> nebadon2: any idea how map tiles are handled for vars? One big image or a bunch of 256x256 images?
2015-06-12 18:03 <nebadon2> its a bunch of 256x256
2015-06-12 18:03 <nebadon2> it gets split up
2015-06-12 18:03 <nebadon2> only way viewer can handle it
2015-06-12 18:04 <Plugh> I haven't looked at the opensimwi (wiredux) map stuff for ages. I'm trying to remember where it got the map tiles. I think it pulled them from the db and saves the tiles.
2015-06-12 18:04 <brenner23> hi here anione not sleeping ^^
2015-06-12 18:04 <nebadon2> yes it pulls them from asset server and converts them
2015-06-12 18:04 <Plugh> If it pulled a big tile for a var it would be easy to handle it. If it would have to pull a bunch of smaller images the code would need some updates to know the size of a var.
2015-06-12 18:04 <nebadon2> with gd or imagemagik
2015-06-12 18:06 <Plugh> brenner23: If you have a question to ask, just ask. Have patience waiting for a reply.
2015-06-12 18:06 <brenner23> i was asking in not -dev
2015-06-12 18:06 <brenner23> :.-)
2015-06-12 18:06 <Plugh> nebadon2: ok, I'll have to check the code and see about having it pull the image for a var and see what I get.
2015-06-12 18:07 <Plugh> brenner23: not everyone here is looking at the other channel you were in before coming here.
2015-06-12 18:07 <brenner23> i can ask here to too :-)
2015-06-12 18:08 <Melanie_T> in that case it should either work with vars now, or var support could be trivially added
2015-06-12 18:08 <Plugh> nebadon2: Last time I touched anything related to opensimwi was about 4 years ago so I sort of remember how it worked.
2015-06-12 18:08 <nebadon2> you would be better off looking at the webmap code i pasted above
2015-06-12 18:09 <brenner23> hi all i need a Clean Grid for my Linux server with Currency Groups,Proifile, WIFI... i was long time ago had a grid and it was easy to compile but now i sitt many hours on a 0.8.x and nothing will realy work... is there a package to download with all services group porfile offlineIM Currency, WIFI DIVA (the webside on :9000/wifi)
2015-06-12 18:09 <nebadon2> wi is aincent
2015-06-12 18:09 <Plugh> Melanie_T: That's what I'm thinking. If it pulls a large image for the var it would get converted and dropped in to the map like any other map tile and it should (almost) work out of the box.
2015-06-12 18:09 <Melanie_T> nope
2015-06-12 18:09 <Melanie_T> the map queries the grid service
2015-06-12 18:09 <nebadon2> Melanie_T no it doesnt work with vars
2015-06-12 18:09 <Melanie_T> for each square
2015-06-12 18:09 <Plugh> nebadon2: yea, I know. I pulled little bits of it once in a while.
2015-06-12 18:09 <nebadon2> because of how vars are stored in the regions database
2015-06-12 18:09 <nebadon2> they only show up at a single set of coordinates
2015-06-12 18:09 <Melanie_T> that query just needs to be rewritten to return "a sim is here" for the other squares belonging to the var
2015-06-12 18:09 <nebadon2> the sw coordinates
2015-06-12 18:09 <Melanie_T> and it will fetch the component tiles
2015-06-12 18:10 <nebadon2> yea
2015-06-12 18:10 <nebadon2> i havent looked closely at how its done
2015-06-12 18:10 <nebadon2> or where the subsequent var region maptile uuids are stored
2015-06-12 18:10 <Plugh> The grid service will only return a 256m square map tile regardless of how big is the region?
2015-06-12 18:10 <nebadon2> correct
2015-06-12 18:10 <nebadon2> because its works off of coordinates
2015-06-12 18:10 <nebadon2> and each set of coordinates is considered 256m2
2015-06-12 18:11 <Plugh> ok, so that goes back to what I thought. It needs extra code to get the region size and then step through fetching all the tiles needed.
2015-06-12 18:11 <nebadon2> yea
2015-06-12 18:13 <Plugh> The grid service will have to take the grid coordinates when asking for a tile.
2015-06-12 18:14 <Melanie_T> the webmap i made works on the database
2015-06-12 18:14 <Melanie_T> no changes are needed to the grid servse
2015-06-12 18:14 <Melanie_T> service
2015-06-12 18:14 <Melanie_T> just some php ajax stuff
2015-06-12 18:16 <Plugh> When you ask the grid service for a tile are you giving it coordinates or a uuid?
2015-06-12 18:16 <Melanie_T> i don't ask the grid service anything
2015-06-12 18:16 <Melanie_T> my webmap accesses the sql database using php
2015-06-12 18:16 <Plugh> Melanie_T: Yes, I know that is what you did but that doesn't answer the question I'm asking.
2015-06-12 18:17 <Melanie_T> the grid service canbe asked for either
2015-06-12 18:17 <Melanie_T> afair
2015-06-12 18:17 <Melanie_T> i don't recommend using the grid service for a web map
2015-06-12 18:18 <Plugh> ok, good. If it can be asked for tiles by location then that webmap code can be modified.
2015-06-12 18:18 <Melanie_T> it's queries are much slower than optmized php queries
2015-06-12 18:18 <nebadon2> ya its too harsh
2015-06-12 18:18 <Plugh> The tiles aren't updated that often.
2015-06-12 18:18 <nebadon2> why put extra load on the robust service though
2015-06-12 18:18 <Melanie_T> obviously i can't keep you from making my webmap use the grid service rather than the db, but i'd consider it abuse and won't support anything related to it
2015-06-12 18:18 <Plugh> How can you access tiles if the tiles are spread across land databases on multiple servers?
2015-06-12 18:19 <nebadon2> you get them from asset server
2015-06-12 18:19 <nebadon2> by uuid
2015-06-12 18:19 <nebadon2> and convert them with gd
2015-06-12 18:19 <nebadon2> or imagemagik i cant recall what it uses now
2015-06-12 18:19 <Melanie_T> no, gd can't do that 
2015-06-12 18:19 <Melanie_T> ImageMagick can
2015-06-12 18:19 <nebadon2> yea
2015-06-12 18:19 <Melanie_T> it's how my map does it
2015-06-12 18:20 <Melanie_T> it used j2ktoimage
2015-06-12 18:20 <Melanie_T> and ImageMagick
2015-06-12 18:20 <Plugh> oh, so the tiles are stored in the main assets db. Does that mean that as the region contents changes and a new map tile is generated that a new asset is created or is this one time where the asset is updated in the asset db?
2015-06-12 18:21 <Melanie_T> no it's not updated. the old one is deleted but the new one does get a new id
2015-06-12 18:21 <Melanie_T> so it causes no bloat but isn't technically an update
2015-06-12 18:21 <Melanie_T> but adelete/store
2015-06-12 18:21 <Plugh> ok, so it isn't going to bloat the DB.
2015-06-12 18:34 <Plugh> Melanie_T: Is there a PHP script that needs to be run to retrieve and save the maptiles before they can be displayed by the PHP code or is that done automatically?
2015-06-12 18:34 <Melanie_T> the PHP code accesses the asset server in an ajax call
2015-06-12 18:35 <Melanie_T> it will retrieve, decode and cache tiles
2015-06-12 18:39 <nebadon2> Plugh it caches the files
2015-06-12 18:39 <nebadon2> if i recall
2015-06-12 18:39 <nebadon2> it doesnt have to fetch and convert them everytime
2015-06-12 18:40 <nebadon2> been a while since i looked at it
2015-06-12 18:40 <nebadon2> oh i see Melanie already said that
2015-06-12 18:40 <nebadon2> i didnt read enough lol
2015-06-12 18:42 <Plugh> Its working. :)
2015-06-12 18:42 <Plugh> other than the var issue.
2015-06-12 18:42 <Melanie_T> it's not hard to install
2015-06-12 18:42 <Melanie_T> just a log of little files :)
2015-06-12 18:42 <Melanie_T> lot
2015-06-12 18:42 <nebadon2> ya I think i documented the install pretty good in that zip
2015-06-12 18:43 <Melanie_T> and unlike fsassets, i did have time to package the webmap
2015-06-12 18:43 <Plugh> yeah. I didn't get the tiles then I thought I may not have those two dependencies mentioned in the install docs. I install those and I got the tiles.
2015-06-12 18:43 <Melanie_T> i did put up sample config and database schema for fsassets earlier today
2015-06-12 18:44 <nebadon2> oh thanks Melanie_T
2015-06-12 18:44 <nebadon2> i didnt even think about the db
2015-06-12 18:44 <Plugh> nebadon2: yup. has all the info needed.
2015-06-12 18:44 <nebadon2> lol
2015-06-12 18:44 <Melanie_T> roux did
2015-06-12 18:44 <Melanie_T> and asked last night
2015-06-12 18:44 <nebadon2> cool
2015-06-12 18:57 <Plugh> hmm... tiles are stored by uuid and different sizes of maptile are stored for each region.
2015-06-12 19:06 <nebadon2> zoom levels
2015-06-12 19:14 <Plugh> yea, but if you have a grid with hundreds or thousands of regions you wind up with a load of maptiles.
2015-06-12 19:15 <Plugh> ah, a trick to searching by name is to enter %name if you want to find 'name' in any part of the actual region name.
2015-06-12 19:15 <nebadon2> run a crontask
2015-06-12 19:15 <nebadon2> that cleans it up every few weeks
2015-06-12 19:15 <nebadon2> the files are small
2015-06-12 19:15 <nebadon2> it wont take a lot of disk space
2015-06-12 19:15 <Melanie_T> cleantmp should normally clean what isn't used 
2015-06-12 19:15 <Plugh> That defeats the purpose if it is cached data.
2015-06-12 19:15 <nebadon2> ah right it uses tmp
2015-06-12 19:15 <nebadon2> Plugh maptiles change
2015-06-12 19:16 <nebadon2> it has to be cleaned occasionally and regenerated
2015-06-12 19:16 <Melanie_T> no
2015-06-12 19:16 <nebadon2> but ya i forgot this uses tmp
2015-06-12 19:16 <Melanie_T> files just need to be cleaned by atime
2015-06-12 19:16 <nebadon2> so it should autoclean
2015-06-12 19:16 <Melanie_T> when a maptile changes, so does it's uuid
2015-06-12 19:16 <nebadon2> oh ok
2015-06-12 19:16 <nebadon2> really?
2015-06-12 19:16 <nebadon2> ah ya i guess the asset changes
2015-06-12 19:16 <Melanie_T> as old maptiles are no longer requested, you can clean by atime. easy
2015-06-12 19:16 <Plugh> Storing by UUID is going to make it harder to handle vars.
2015-06-12 19:17 <Melanie_T> the uuid is the uuid of the maptile, not of the region
2015-06-12 19:17 <nebadon2> really shouldnt
2015-06-12 19:17 <nebadon2> the tricky part is going to be breaking down the size of the region and placing the tiles properly
2015-06-12 19:17 <Plugh> a 4x4 needs 16 tiles but they all have the same uuid.
2015-06-12 19:18 <nebadon2> no they shouldnt
2015-06-12 19:18 <Melanie_T> they do NOT
2015-06-12 19:18 <nebadon2> its asset uuid
2015-06-12 19:18 <Melanie_T> isn't anyone listening to me?
2015-06-12 19:18 <nebadon2> not region uuid
2015-06-12 19:18 <nebadon2> i forget how we store that in regions db though
2015-06-12 19:18 <nebadon2> for vars
2015-06-12 19:18 <nebadon2> is it a list?
2015-06-12 19:18 <Melanie_T> no idea
2015-06-12 19:18 <Melanie_T> we don't have vars
2015-06-12 19:18 <nebadon2> yea i forget now
2015-06-12 19:18 <Plugh> Melanie_T: You don't but I do.
2015-06-12 19:18 <nebadon2> there is some way to reference it though
2015-06-12 19:18 <nebadon2> via a query
2015-06-12 19:18 <nebadon2> shouldnt be to hard
2015-06-12 19:19 <Melanie_T> Plugh: then you should know how it's stored….
2015-06-12 19:19 <nebadon2> check size if its not 256 then do additional query
2015-06-12 19:19 <Melanie_T> i don't
2015-06-12 19:19 <Plugh> Melanie_T: I haven't looked at map stuff in about 4 years.
2015-06-12 19:19 <nebadon2> let me have a quick peak on avacon grid
2015-06-12 19:20 <Plugh> wiredux stored map tiles using the region coordinates.
2015-06-12 19:21 <nebadon2> hmm seems we only store 1 maptile uuid for vars
2015-06-12 19:21 <nebadon2> maybe misterblue can explain how it works
2015-06-12 19:24 <Plugh> I thought it would be just a single image for a var.
2015-06-12 19:24 <JeffKelley> i have a 1024x1024 var and the maptile in database is 1024x1024
2015-06-12 19:33 <Plugh> Ah ha! I see what is going on. The map tile for a var is scaled down so the entire var is shown in a standard size map tile.
2015-06-12 19:36 <Plugh> hm... convert doesn't handle j2k files?
2015-06-12 19:41 <JeffKelley> Plugh: are you using ImageMagik ?
2015-06-12 19:42 <Plugh> yes
2015-06-12 19:42 <Plugh> I just did a test and it can take j2k files
2015-06-12 19:42 <JeffKelley> no need to convert, readImageBlob + writeImage ('*.jpg')
2015-06-12 19:43 <Plugh> ?
2015-06-12 19:43 <JeffKelley> http://php.net/manual/en/imagick.readimageblob.php
2015-06-12 19:44 <Plugh> The code retrieves the .j2k file from the database and then converts it to a .jpg. Originally it did that in a two step process of converting .j2k to .tga then making the .jpg file.
2015-06-12 19:45 <Plugh> JeffKelley: It isn't just converting it but changing the size of it.
2015-06-12 19:45 <Plugh> at the same time.
2015-06-12 19:47 <Plugh> JeffKelley: Ah, I see. If php handles j2k it can be done without the use of ImageMagick.
2015-06-12 19:47 <nebadon2> php cant handle j2k
2015-06-12 19:47 <Plugh> um... without having to invoke "convert" from ImageMagick.
2015-06-12 19:47 <nebadon2> either can web browsers
2015-06-12 19:47 <JeffKelley> I use PHP extension Imagick
2015-06-12 19:48 <nebadon2> ah that is basically the same thing
2015-06-12 19:48 <nebadon2> i doubt there is any benefit to either way
2015-06-12 19:49 <nebadon2> convert might be a bit faster
2015-06-12 19:49 <nebadon2> dunno
2015-06-12 19:49 <Plugh> ok, well I've combined the two exec calls in to one.
2015-06-12 20:46 <Plugh> I've fixed the scaling of maptiles based on the size of the region but I still just get a small tile. Must be some CSS(?) restricting the size of a map tile on the page.
2015-06-12 20:48 <JeffKelley> scaling?
2015-06-12 20:53 <Plugh> The webmap code scales down the maptile of a var to the same size of tiles as regular regions.
2015-06-12 20:53 <nebadon2> ya as it stands without significantly changing the ajax everything will be considered 256m
2015-06-12 20:53 <nebadon2> im not sure there is any easy way around that honestly
2015-06-12 20:54 <nebadon2> i dont think your just going to be able to scale larger images up to fill in
2015-06-12 20:54 <nebadon2> you are going to have to use the broken up tiles
2015-06-12 20:54 <Plugh> I'm trying to figure out why it limits the tiles displayed to a fixed size.
2015-06-12 20:55 <nebadon2> I think trying to scale it up is the wrong way personally
2015-06-12 20:56 <nebadon2> it will make the code very complicated
2015-06-12 20:56 <nebadon2> with zooming etc..
2015-06-12 20:56 <JeffKelley> you mean, the map code is written for fixed-sized tiles?
2015-06-12 20:56 <nebadon2> yes
2015-06-12 20:57 <nebadon2> it was designed for a 256m2 grid
2015-06-12 20:57 <nebadon2> having mixed size tiles will be pretty complicating i suspect
2015-06-12 20:57 <nebadon2> we dont even do that in world
2015-06-12 20:57 <nebadon2> cause the viewer is not capable
2015-06-12 20:57 <JeffKelley> what about breaking donw a var and faking n x m standard regions
2015-06-12 20:57 <nebadon2> thats how its done in world
2015-06-12 20:57 <nebadon2> and probably should be done on this map as well
2015-06-12 20:58 <nebadon2> the problem is what if someone starts a 10x10
2015-06-12 20:58 <nebadon2> thats a gigantic tile
2015-06-12 20:58 <nebadon2> it would be in the 10's if not 100s of mb potential image file
2015-06-12 20:58 <Plugh> That is how wiredux handles the map tiles. It has them cached by grid coordinate and not by uuid.
2015-06-12 20:58 <nebadon2> you dont want to push that to a web browser
2015-06-12 20:58 <Plugh> Would make it easier to handle outputting the tiles.
2015-06-12 20:58 <nebadon2> the wi map wasnt very good honestly
2015-06-12 20:59 <nebadon2> it worked ok with small grids
2015-06-12 20:59 <Plugh> what was the problem for large grids? 
2015-06-12 21:00 <nebadon2> i honestly dont remember the specifics now it was a looong time ago, but I remember it not working so great for OSgrid after a while
2015-06-12 21:01 <Plugh> It may have queried grid services for the tiles. If that is changed to go straight to the assets db is it still likely to be a problem?
2015-06-12 21:01 <nebadon2> honestly I dont remember how it even works now heh
2015-06-12 21:01 <Plugh> yea, I know. This is first time I've looked at the map tile stuff in ages.
2015-06-12 21:14 <Plugh> um... if this webmap is going direct to the database why is the regionimg.php file accessing port 8003? It looks like a grid service request to me.
2015-06-12 21:15 <nebadon2> it probably pulls assets normally
2015-06-12 21:15 <nebadon2> I think thats the only thing it doesnt retrieve directly from the database
2015-06-12 21:15 <Plugh> Means I can't test it locally with my standalone.
2015-06-12 21:15 <nebadon2> right
2015-06-12 21:15 <nebadon2> this map is grid only
2015-06-12 21:15 <nebadon2> no standalone support
2015-06-12 21:16 <nebadon2> its not that hard to setup a grid local test grid really
2015-06-12 21:17 <Plugh> I know. I have set up a grid on my end before. I just don't feel like having to upgrade my test grid with the latest code and ini files.
2015-06-12 21:18 <Plugh> Not now anyway.
2015-06-12 21:18 <nebadon2> hehe :)
2015-06-12 21:22 <Melanie_T> Plugh: doesn't a var generate component tiles for each square covered?
2015-06-12 21:23 <Melanie_T> why do you even have to mess with the "whole sim" maptile?
2015-06-12 21:23 <Melanie_T> even so, the magic just needs to be done in maptile.php
2015-06-12 21:23 <Plugh> Tell me how to find the component tiles and I will use them.
2015-06-12 21:23 <Melanie_T> whether it's cuttong up a larger map
2015-06-12 21:24 <Melanie_T> well, what does the varregion send to the asset server?
2015-06-12 21:24 <Melanie_T> i keeping with what the viewer expects, it should be sending as many small tiles as it takes
2015-06-12 21:24 <Plugh> The map tile texture pointed to by the entry in the regions table is a single image covering the entire var
2015-06-12 21:25 <nebadon2> Misterblue can explain that best I am sure
2015-06-12 21:25 <Melanie_T> is it scaled down or is it the size the whole var would be?
2015-06-12 21:25 <Plugh> The size the entire var would be.
2015-06-12 21:25 <nebadon2> I dont understand it enough to not confuse things more heh
2015-06-12 21:25 <Melanie_T> (since textures are only 1024 x 1024 max)
2015-06-12 21:25 <nebadon2> the textures do get broken up for vars
2015-06-12 21:25 <nebadon2> though it does generate a single large tile as well
2015-06-12 21:25 <Melanie_T> so a 10 x 10 var can't be 2560 x 2560
2015-06-12 21:26 <nebadon2> well we never display those in world
2015-06-12 21:26 <nebadon2> so technically it can
2015-06-12 21:26 <Plugh> JeffKelley: i have a 1024x1024 var and the maptile in database is 1024x1024
2015-06-12 21:26 <nebadon2> the large tiles are generated only so they can be split up
2015-06-12 21:26 <Melanie_T> well, in any event, the small one s are what we need
2015-06-12 21:26 <Melanie_T> or we can use gd to split the large one
2015-06-12 21:26 <Melanie_T> and change the names
2015-06-12 21:27 <Plugh> then you need some way to keep track of the pieces of the maptiles.
2015-06-12 21:27 <Melanie_T> suffxied like X window specifications
2015-06-12 21:27 <Plugh> That is why I suggested it might be easier to do what wiredux does and name the pieces after the region coords.
2015-06-12 21:27 <Melanie_T> <uuid>+256+128
2015-06-12 21:27 <Melanie_T> or whatever
2015-06-12 21:27 <Melanie_T> to show which map part is in them
2015-06-12 21:27 <Melanie_T> the javascript should need no changes at all 
2015-06-12 21:27 <Melanie_T> just the two small php helpers
2015-06-12 21:29 <Plugh> I was also trying to determine why regionimg.php is accessed as a web page and then does a grid service call to fetch asset data instead of using direct access to a db as is done in the maptile.php file where it directly accesses the db.
2015-06-12 21:29 <AliciaRaven> why not request the map titles from robust the same way a viewer would ie http://www.example.com:8002/map-1-599-601-objects.jpg
2015-06-12 21:29 <Melanie_T> because assets are not in blobs in avn
2015-06-12 21:29 <nebadon2> Plugh, Avination and OSgrid dont have asset servers on the same server 
2015-06-12 21:29 <Melanie_T> and not only that
2015-06-12 21:30 <Melanie_T> the table and files are not even on the same server
2015-06-12 21:30 <Melanie_T> and since the osg map is just a ap i stripped the avination "buy region" stuff out of
2015-06-12 21:31 <Melanie_T> it can't assume a standard blob based asset storage
2015-06-12 21:32 <Plugh> ok. It also prevents the use of this on anything other than a grid configuration.
2015-06-12 21:33 <nebadon2> yea pretty much
2015-06-12 21:33 <nebadon2> im not sure why you would need a grid map on a standalone though
2015-06-12 21:33 <nebadon2> heh
2015-06-12 21:33 <Melanie_T> Plugh: in my book standalone doesn't exist
2015-06-12 21:33 <Melanie_T> and what would a standalone need a web map for?
2015-06-12 21:34 <Plugh> I could test code changes locally with a couple of regions running in a standalone.
2015-06-12 21:34 <Melanie_T> it'a just as easy to set up a micro grid on one machine
2015-06-12 21:35 <Melanie_T> the "one preocess" approach is IMHO flawed
2015-06-12 21:35 <Melanie_T> i don't write anything that supports it
2015-06-12 21:35 <Plugh> I can't be bothered to go through the time and hassle to set up a grid using the current code.
2015-06-12 21:50 <AliciaRaven> Plugh, u can get map tiles that support var regions and zoon just by requests to the map service http://www.spellscape.co.uk/world/map
2015-06-12 21:50 <JunkHunk> mailto:fred@mitsi.com
2015-06-12 21:51 <JunkHunk> sorry
2015-06-12 21:51 <JunkHunk> I was trying to mail someone
2015-06-12 21:51 <Melanie_T> the JunkHunk is a SpamHunk ;P
2015-06-12 21:51 <JunkHunk> do you know how to mail someone in the chat?
2015-06-12 21:52 <Melanie_T> you can't
2015-06-12 21:52 <JunkHunk> oh
2015-06-12 21:52 <Plugh> JunkHunk: Ask them for their email address
2015-06-12 21:52 <JunkHunk> hehe
2015-06-12 21:52 <JunkHunk> okay 
2015-06-13 00:50 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 00:58 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-06-13 07:49 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 11:26 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 11:39 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 11:59 <JunkHunk> any good rezzer working in opensim diva-r25909?
2015-06-13 12:04 <JunkHunk> how do I login outworldz? with osgrid account?
2015-06-13 12:04 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 14:02 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 14:49 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-06-13 15:09 <diva> BlueWall ping
2015-06-13 15:38 <notskittles> :O
2015-06-13 15:38 <diva> :)
2015-06-13 15:39 <notskittles> yeah, i only tested in robust.
2015-06-13 15:39 <notskittles> and i was very tired by then.
2015-06-13 15:40 <diva> great, I didn't test in grid
2015-06-13 15:41 <diva> it works in standalone now
2015-06-13 15:41 <notskittles> Thank you for fixing those.
2015-06-13 15:41 <diva> np. Thanks for writing all that.
2015-06-13 15:41 <notskittles> now i can port over more stuff too.
2015-06-13 15:41 <notskittles> AvatarHover setting
2015-06-13 15:41 <diva> there's a fair amount of little components everytime we do one of these, but that's the price we pay for being super flexible wrt configuration
2015-06-13 15:41 <notskittles> yeah
2015-06-13 15:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #4222 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-13 15:42 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 15:42 <notskittles> this will also make the upload permissions persistant between viewers and systems.
2015-06-13 15:43 <diva> cool. sned more patches as you have them
2015-06-13 15:43 <notskittles> and opens up the door for i18n messaging from the sim to the client.
2015-06-13 15:43 <diva> what's that?
2015-06-13 15:43 <notskittles> messages translated into the user's language.
2015-06-13 15:43 <diva> auto translation?
2015-06-13 15:44 <diva> that's nice
2015-06-13 15:44 <notskittles> so instead of "this region will restart shortly" you could send an agent "этот регион будет перезагружен в ближайшее время" if that's what language they have selected in the viewer.
2015-06-13 15:45 <diva> cool
2015-06-13 15:46 <notskittles> we're running into language problems like that a lot on our grid, other than americans, most of the userbase speaks arabic so english language messages don't help them much.
2015-06-13 15:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4222: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4222/
2015-06-13 15:46 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Support for Linden AgentPreferences capability and friends (UpdateAgentLanguage and UpdateAgentInformation) and Mantis #7157
2015-06-13 15:46 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Relicense AgentPreferences files to BSD and OpenSimulator
2015-06-13 15:46 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Refactor AgentPreferences so that database operations happen centrally. the opensim way.
2015-06-13 15:46 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: A few bug fixes for Agent Preferences to actually work. Also added missing config for standalone.
2015-06-13 15:47 <FoTo50> Hi folks :)
2015-06-13 15:48 <diva> is there anything left to do on the service itself? Or should we declare that mantis resolved?
2015-06-13 15:48 <FoTo50> does someone know if there is a way to escape the $-sign in OpenSim.ini if needed in a config string? ... or is this a bug to report?
2015-06-13 15:51 <notskittles> The mantis itself should be resolved, anything more I think would be out of scope. New issues should be opened for the rest of the funcionality that gets added.
2015-06-13 15:52 <notskittles> If it was support AgentPreferences cap, that would be different.
2015-06-13 15:54 <diva> yeah, that's what I think too
2015-06-13 15:55 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-06-13 15:57 <Plugh> FoTo50: \$ but if it is just in a .ini file I don't think you need to escape it. The place you need to escape it is in .php files or something where that $ may be seen as the start of a variable name that the programming language will substitute for the variables value.
2015-06-13 15:57 <Plugh> bbl. lunch is ready.
2015-06-13 15:58 <diva> FoTo50 why would you want to escape the $ in ini files?
2015-06-13 16:00 <FoTo50> I wrote a small module for inworld currency, where in the ini file the default message for popups can be customized (e.g. PayPopupMsgSender = "You paid OS${0} to {1}")
2015-06-13 16:00 <FoTo50> but this seem to conflict with the new const-system
2015-06-13 16:01 <FoTo50> when starting the simulator with $ in this string, it is crashing, without it starts fine
2015-06-13 16:01 <diva> how would you customize that message. Where does the data for {0} and {1} come from?
2015-06-13 16:02 <FoTo50> I take this string inside the module and insert amount for {0} and receiver for {1}
2015-06-13 16:03 <diva> in that case why would you want to have any config var at all? why not just place that string in the module?
2015-06-13 16:04 <FoTo50> cause some users may want to change this message to their language, or other reason
2015-06-13 16:05 <diva> Translations are something else, we were just talking about them. They need to be addressed in a different way, not in hard-coded values in ini files
2015-06-13 16:05 <notskittles> might want to use RegionInfo.CurrencySymbol for that.
2015-06-13 16:06 <FoTo50> true ... but besides other languages, someone might prefer to have a message like "{1} has received your OS${0}" instead of "You paid OS${0} to {1}"
2015-06-13 16:07 <FoTo50> hum, that's a good idea notskittles :) didnt think of that ;)
2015-06-13 16:07 <diva> Again, that's your module's functionality and responsibility. OpenSim uses the "standard " ini format as given by the Nini library.
2015-06-13 16:09 <notskittles> generally though, OS$ isn't ever changed to OS¥ or OS₽, at least i've never seen it done that way.
2015-06-13 16:10 <FoTo50> that's true diva, but originally I could use the $ inside a string, now not anymore ... just wanted to ask if there is any "easy" escape function for it
2015-06-13 16:11 <notskittles> i was going to use the microbits symbol for yrgrid, but it wasn't in the 10 year old version of dejavu font in the viewers.
2015-06-13 16:11 <diva> if \$ doesn't work, I"m afraid the answer is no
2015-06-13 16:11 <FoTo50> sure it is notskittles, e.g. Currency = "jO$" in Robust.ini
2015-06-13 16:11 <FoTo50> yeah, tried that first ... lol ... even \\$ doesnt ;)
2015-06-13 16:11 <notskittles> i meant with something other than $.
2015-06-13 16:12 <notskittles> i've never seen linden rubles. :)
2015-06-13 16:12 <FoTo50> hahahaha
2015-06-13 16:12 <diva> you may want to search for how to do it by searching info about the ini format and the meta variables in it
2015-06-13 16:13 <FoTo50> ok :) but I think changing the module a little and take 01RegionInfo.CurrencySymbo01l from inside will solve this for now ... thnx a lot for this hint notskittles :)
2015-06-13 16:13 <diva> were just using the Nini library, we're not doing anything other than what that library does
2015-06-13 16:21 <FoTo50> ok, thnx for help ... c ya folks :)
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2015-06-13 16:26 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-13 16:28 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): has been REOPENED.
2015-06-13 16:33 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 16:37 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 16:40 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 16:45 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 16:49 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 16:57 <nebadon2> just tested the latest mono nightly tarball against opensimulator again, exactly 7 days older version than last time I tried and opensimulator still does not run
2015-06-13 17:01 <nebadon2> http://pastebin.com/uyVFvdFV
2015-06-13 17:01 <nebadon2> anyway just a heads up :)
2015-06-13 17:04 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 17:18 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 17:22 <diva> notskittles do you know what a failed response to the viewer looks like?
2015-06-13 17:23 <notskittles> Umm, not sure. Let me see if there's a handler in the viewer for it.
2015-06-13 17:23 <diva> or... can I echo the request?
2015-06-13 17:23 <diva> send back the same thing?
2015-06-13 17:23 <diva> as if it suceeded?
2015-06-13 17:26 <diva> could you look into this and guard that for me? Basically the meat of the UpdateAgentPreferences method needs to be guarded under if (m_scenes[0].AgentPreferencesService != null), and sent back some reasonable response if it is null
2015-06-13 17:26 <diva> it's very annoying that the viewer sends these cap requests to all regions that serve them
2015-06-13 17:27 <notskittles> Yeah, I can do that. From the looks of it, the viewer really doesn't care what gets returned.
2015-06-13 17:28 <notskittles> They just use their generic http responder.
2015-06-13 17:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #4223 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-13 17:29 <diva> ok, thanks. I need to pay attention to something else... I'll push it when you have a patch
2015-06-13 17:29 <notskittles> kk
2015-06-13 17:30 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 17:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4223: SUCCESS in 4 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4223/
2015-06-13 17:33 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Fixed indentation
2015-06-13 18:39 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 18:50 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 19:17 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 19:37 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 19:39 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 19:42 <osmantis> Bug #7611:04 New Optional module GodNames viewer support 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7611 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-13 19:56 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 20:01 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 20:04 <osmantis> Bug #7611:04 New Optional module GodNames viewer support 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7611 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-06-13 20:04 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-06-13 20:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #4224 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-13 20:38 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 20:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4224: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4224/
2015-06-13 20:42 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Guard against scenes without an agent prefs service and a copy and paste fix
2015-06-13 21:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #4225 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-13 21:43 <osmantis> Bug #7611:04 New Optional module GodNames viewer support 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7611 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 21:45 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 21:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4225: SUCCESS in 4 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4225/
2015-06-13 21:46 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Add optional GodNames region module
2015-06-13 21:46 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Added ':' to debug messages
2015-06-13 21:46 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Added example of how to configure the GodNames module
2015-06-13 21:52 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 21:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #4226 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-13 21:55 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-13 21:59 <osmantis> Bug #7601:04 [PATCH] to fix a small typo in program.cs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7601 ): has been CLOSED
2015-06-13 21:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4226: SUCCESS in 4 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4226/
2015-06-13 21:59 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: SQLite and PGSQL adapters for AgentPreferences
2015-06-13 21:59 <osmantis> Bug #7585:04 Last Location Doesnt Work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7585 ): has been CLOSED
2015-06-13 21:59 <osmantis> Bug #7581:04 [PATCH] New metrics introduced 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7581 ): has been CLOSED
2015-06-13 22:00 <osmantis> Bug #6592:04 Attach event not firing on detach 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6592 ): has been CLOSED
2015-06-13 22:00 <osmantis> Bug #7345:04 Attach event does not trigger correctly on detach 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7345 ): has been CLOSED
2015-06-13 22:01 <osmantis> Bug #7564:04 Inventory download hangs temporarily or permanently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7564 ): has been CLOSED
2015-06-13 22:01 <osmantis> Bug #7594:04 Inventory broken with duplicate requests for the same folder 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7594 ): has been CLOSED
2015-06-13 22:01 <osmantis> Bug #7588:04 llListRandomize() doesn't do a very good job. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7588 ): has been CLOSED
2015-06-13 22:02 <osmantis> Bug #7579:04 New return values from llGetEnv 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7579 ): has been CLOSED
2015-06-13 22:02 <osmantis> Bug #7452:04 Profile lookup in viewers produce [LLCLIENTVIEW] exception 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7452 ): has been CLOSED
2015-06-13 22:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #4227 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-13 22:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4227: SUCCESS in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4227/
2015-06-13 22:14 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Cleaned up the CONTRIBUTORS list
2015-06-13 22:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #4228 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-13 22:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4228: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4228/
2015-06-13 22:20 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Added more names of recent contributors that were missing from the list
2015-06-13 22:23 <osmantis> Bug #7593:04 High memory usage when avatar arrives and is never released 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7593 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-06-14 00:41 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-06-14 05:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #4229 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-14 05:13 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 05:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4229: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4229/
2015-06-14 05:16 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: AgentPreferences SQLLite Migration update Mantis #7157
2015-06-14 05:31 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007610.
2015-06-14 05:31 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007157.
2015-06-14 05:43 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 08:59 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 09:13 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 09:36 <JunkHunk> hello is there a way to make builders buddy rezzer work in all diva regions?
2015-06-14 09:36 <JunkHunk> It only works in the SW region...despite updating to var regions
2015-06-14 09:58 <JunkHunk> it is as though the only valid coordinates are those of SW region
2015-06-14 10:04 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 10:08 <JunkHunk> it's not just like that...because when I use the rezzer on the NW region the child prims rezz on the SW border like not being allowed to play and watching the game from a fence hole. they do not rezz in the original SW region exact coordinates I recorded them at
2015-06-14 10:09 <JunkHunk> there must be an easy fix for this I guess
2015-06-14 10:32 <osmantis> Bug #7612:04 [BULETSIM] Tidy Compiler Comments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7612 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-14 10:33 <osmantis> Bug #7612:04 [BULETSIM] Tidy Compiler Warning Comments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7612 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-06-14 10:35 <osmantis> Bug #7613:04 ScriptsHttpRequests.cs Tidy Compiler Warning Comments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7613 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-14 10:39 <osmantis> Bug #7614:04 [MRMModule] Tidy Compiler Warnings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7614 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-14 10:39 <osmantis> Bug #7613:04 ScriptsHttpRequests.cs Tidy Compiler Warnings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7613 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-06-14 10:40 <osmantis> Bug #7612:04 [BULETSIM] Tidy Compiler Warnings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7612 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-06-14 14:19 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 14:38 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 14:48 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 14:50 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 14:56 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 14:57 <osmantis> Bug #7538:04 Bulletsim: If a cut prim or mesh surface is tilted very much in both x and y direction, most physics vehicles fall through it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7538 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 14:58 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 15:08 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 15:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #4230 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-14 15:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4230: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4230/
2015-06-14 15:15 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Quell three new warnings I introduced with AgentPrefsData, return an empty llsd map instead of an empty llsd block when no AgentPrefs service is available to try and appease Firestorm
2015-06-14 15:15 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Removing the Store methods in the DB layer of AgentPreferences, as they were simply calling the base ones.
2015-06-14 15:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #4231 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-14 15:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4231: SUCCESS in 4 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4231/
2015-06-14 15:23 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Squoosh one more warning
2015-06-14 15:23 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Squooshed a warning that could result in a runtime null pointer exception. It says that code is for debugging, but it was buggy.
2015-06-14 15:28 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 15:39 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 16:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #4232 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-14 16:32 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 16:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4232: SUCCESS in 4 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4232/
2015-06-14 16:36 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7610. Changed AgentPrefs table in PGSQL to use uuid instead of varchar(36), to be consistent with the otehr pgsql tables. Since the first commit on this was yesterday, there's no migration; instead, the version starts at 2. If anyone created the table yesterday, it will be dropped and recreated.
2015-06-14 16:41 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 16:52 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 16:56 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 17:13 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 17:16 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 17:17 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 17:24 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 17:43 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 17:46 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 17:47 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 17:57 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 18:05 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 18:08 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 18:14 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 18:20 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 18:29 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 18:37 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 18:39 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 18:40 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 18:43 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 19:04 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 20:38 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-14 21:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #4233 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-14 21:51 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-06-14 21:54 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Removed the pgsql table for AgentPrefs, because it is not working. For now the Agent Preferences feature will not work with PGSQL installations -- someone who uses PGSQL needs to send a table that works.
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2015-06-15 01:09 <smxy> Question: Is it correct that you can enter the collision state, multiple times between a single collision_start and collision_end state? Nit start,collide,end,start,collide,end,...?
2015-06-15 01:09 <smxy> Not*
2015-06-15 01:25 <Plugh> If you are in a collision with an item you should get start, multiple collision events, then stop once you are no longer colliding with the object.
2015-06-15 01:26 <smxy> Okay, thanks.
2015-06-15 01:27 <Plugh> yw
2015-06-15 01:27 <smxy> I'm seeing strange behavior when calling functions from collision_start.
2015-06-15 01:27 <Plugh> I've had some issues with collisions. What sort of odd things are you seeing?
2015-06-15 01:29 <smxy> I touch a wall and it rezzes an NPC 10m away and sets it walking towards the wall. In collision_start, if I call another osMoveNpcToTarget, to send it walking back to where it came from, it does nothing. But if I tell it to fly back, that works.
2015-06-15 01:30 <smxy> Also, if I put the command to send it back, in another function and call that from collision_start, it gets to the called function, but doesn't make the avatar go back.
2015-06-15 01:30 <smxy> It just reports that it's continually in collision.
2015-06-15 01:31 <smxy> This is with ODE at the moment.
2015-06-15 01:31 <Plugh> ok.
2015-06-15 01:32 <Plugh> Does sound like odd behaviour. 
2015-06-15 01:32 <Plugh> Possible it might be just an NPC issue.
2015-06-15 01:33 <smxy> Yes. I'm trying to come up with a test case for the collision not registering anymore, which Diva seems to think I haven't spent endless hours doing, but all I find are more collision issues and I still haven't been able to cause the problem I need fixed. It's ridiculous.
2015-06-15 01:34 <smxy> But I agree with her. No repro, no fix.
2015-06-15 01:34 <smxy> So I was seeing this weirdness with BS and decided to switch to ODE to get a baseline, but it's messed up too.
2015-06-15 01:40 <smxy> Now even thr fly back is simply ignored. Sigh.
2015-06-15 01:49 <smxy> Interesting.
2015-06-15 01:49 <smxy> If there is no NPC movement command in collision_end, then the flyback in collision_start works.
2015-06-15 01:50 <smxy> But if I then put a movement command in end, the flyback is ignored.
2015-06-15 01:50 <smxy> ODE and BS
2015-06-15 02:02 <smxy> I give up. This is crazy. I make edits to the script. I save it. It tells me it saved it. I open the script and my changes are gone. Over and over.
2015-06-15 02:02 <smxy> No errors on the console.
2015-06-15 02:03 <smxy> Why can't this program just work right?
2015-06-15 02:28 <Melanie_T> smxy: the lost script edits hapen even in SL
2015-06-15 02:35 <Plugh> smxy: I can't say I recall that happening in SL but I have had it happen a lot in OpenSim. I got to where I would C&P a script to a local file on my computer before hitting save when I was working on a big script. 
2015-06-15 02:36 <Plugh> smxy: I think someone told me that there is a way to recover the "lost" script. It might have been as simple as closing and reopening the file. I think the loss of changes happens more often if you are editing a script that is inside the inventory of a prim.
2015-06-15 02:39 <nebadon2> when that happens to me usaully closing the script editor then completely deselecting the prim the script is in
2015-06-15 02:39 <nebadon2> then edit prim and script again
2015-06-15 02:39 <nebadon2> and changes come back
2015-06-15 02:40 <nebadon2> trick is to not panic!
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2015-06-15 02:48 <Melanie_T> when it happens in SL, that won't work
2015-06-15 02:48 <Melanie_T> in sl it's actually lost
2015-06-15 02:48 <Melanie_T> the bug is similar there but not identical
2015-06-15 02:52 <nebadon2> yea it seems like once script changes the editor doesnt get update about new script uuid
2015-06-15 02:52 <nebadon2> so it loads old one until you reselect the object its in
2015-06-15 02:52 <nebadon2> probably something we can fix I would think
2015-06-15 02:53 <nebadon2> doesnt always happen, race condition or something
2015-06-15 03:00 <Melanie_T> i wish i knew which of the forge projects are junk
2015-06-15 03:12 <Melanie_T> nebadon2: see skype plz
2015-06-15 03:43 <dahlia> I notice script saving fails/crashes/crashes viewer/otherwise messes up when I cross a sim border with the editor open
2015-06-15 03:44 <dahlia> if I stay in the region it usually works ok
2015-06-15 03:45 <Melanie_T> it's not designed to work iirc
2015-06-15 03:45 <dahlia> works in SL
2015-06-15 03:45 <Melanie_T> opensim makes no provision for using metadata from one editor in anither sim
2015-06-15 03:46 <dahlia> dunno, just sharing observations
2015-06-15 03:47 <Melanie_T> i'm just saying, there is no specific code for that case in opensim
2015-06-15 03:47 <Melanie_T> sl mayhave it
2015-06-15 03:48 <dahlia> ah ok
2015-06-15 06:39 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-15 07:28 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-15 08:02 <osmantis> Bug #7612:04 [BULLETSIM] Tidy Compiler Warnings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7612 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-06-15 08:35 <osmantis> Bug #7612:04 [BULLETSIM] Tidy Compiler Warnings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7612 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-15 09:04 <osmantis> Bug #7612:04 [BULLETSIM] Tidy Compiler Warnings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7612 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-15 14:17 <smxy> nebadon2,Melanie_T,dahlia: Thanks for the late-night comments on script editing. Nice to know I'm not the only person that's happened too. I was about to pull my hair out. Just logged in and, sure enough, when I edited it, my latest changes were all there. It was so frustrating...
2015-06-15 14:18 <nebadon2> yea
2015-06-15 14:18 <nebadon2> I am not sure what triggers it
2015-06-15 14:18 <nebadon2> its some kind of timing issue I suspect\
2015-06-15 14:18 <nebadon2> once you know the secret its less frustrating
2015-06-15 14:19 <nebadon2> it would be nice to get that resolved at some point though
2015-06-15 14:30 <smxy> Yes. When you're trying to debug, it's nice if the system doesn't fight you. :)
2015-06-16 14:34 <osmantis> Bug #7615:04 Landing point does not work in Var Regions. Teleport in always lands at 128,128, 25 and ignores the set landing point. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7615 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2015-06-16 17:32 <smxy> Is there any way to let NPCs teleport within region?
2015-06-16 17:32 <smxy> That would be most useful.
2015-06-16 17:35 <smxy> I want to have one continuously teleporting, as a test.
2015-06-16 17:41 <Plugh> You could script it to touch a device that would initiate a TP on touch
2015-06-16 17:43 <smxy> Would that work though, if the sim doesn't see it as an agent?
2015-06-16 17:45 <H-H-H> i thought the scene did think of npcs as prescenses ?
2015-06-16 17:49 <smxy> Well, when I create an NPC I see this in the log:
2015-06-16 17:49 <smxy> 13:49:02 - [NPC MODULE]: Creating NPC Collision Creator 8ac516d4-38f1-4711-97cb-819af749165d, owner=6d989e4b-53ed-4217-98a8-4626a6d5cbda, senseAsAgent=False at <116, 125, 24.5> in Test1
2015-06-16 17:50 <smxy> So I assume it is not seen as an agent.
2015-06-16 17:50 <H-H-H> hmm maybe it isnt then :) try it and see what happens ?
2015-06-16 17:52 <smxy> My TP gates work on collision, which *is* registered when an NPC collides with it, but it does an agent check before calling the teleport routine. I commented the check out and they did not teleport. I'm trying to find a way to give them the ability - at least within the same region they exist in.
2015-06-16 17:53 <smxy> That should be allowed, I'd think.
2015-06-16 17:53 <smxy> It's really more of a move than a teleport.
2015-06-16 17:56 <smxy> Maybe I screwed it up. I'll set up a simpler TPer than my complicated gate.
2015-06-16 17:56 <smxy> Perhaps that'll work.
2015-06-16 18:00 <smxy> Oh. The name of the OepnSim function is osTeleportAgent .... I doubt this will work.
2015-06-16 18:00 <smxy> It's not an agent.
2015-06-16 18:07 <Quill_Littlefeat> can you use llxorbase64 on opensim or is there and alternate comand?
2015-06-16 18:41 <Plugh> yes, you can use that Quill_Littlefeat
2015-06-16 18:42 <Plugh> bbl. I'm going to take my cat for a walk in the garden.
2015-06-16 18:42 <Quill_Littlefeat> Plugh can i get an example? if i use the one from sl i get errors that llxorbase64 is undefined
2015-06-16 18:42 <Plugh> what version of OS?
2015-06-16 18:42 <Quill_Littlefeat> 8.04
2015-06-16 18:43 <Plugh> ?
2015-06-16 18:43 <Quill_Littlefeat> im running 8.0.4
2015-06-16 18:43 <Plugh> I use 0.8.0 and there is 0.8.1. I don't know about 0.8.4
2015-06-16 18:44 <Quill_Littlefeat> 0.8.1.0 dev
2015-06-16 18:44 <Plugh> Oh. ok. There is a 0.8.0.4 branch.
2015-06-16 18:45 <Quill_Littlefeat> and the error is llXorBase64 does not exist in current context
2015-06-16 18:46 <Plugh> I see something in LSL_Api.cs where it says llXorBase64Strings is deprecated and you should use llXorBase64 instead.
2015-06-16 18:46 <Quill_Littlefeat> http://pastebin.com/3h1QUYDQ
2015-06-16 18:46 <Quill_Littlefeat> that is the example im trying to use
2015-06-16 18:47 <Plugh> I can do some more digging later but it should be supported. The code appears to be in place. Perhaps a hook is missing? I need to go or I'd do more digging in to the code.
2015-06-16 18:47 <Quill_Littlefeat> ok thank you
2015-06-16 18:47 <Plugh> what happens when you try that example?
2015-06-16 18:49 <Quill_Littlefeat> i get error (12,23) Error cs0103: the name 'llXorBase64' does not exist in the current context(18,36) the name 'llXorBase64' does not exist in the current context
2015-06-16 18:50 <Plugh> ok, Could be an oversight. I'll look in to that later.
2015-06-16 18:50 <Quill_Littlefeat> TY
2015-06-16 18:50 <Plugh> yw
2015-06-16 18:50 <Plugh> <- afk
2015-06-16 19:48 <Quill_Littlefeat> i used llXorBase64StringsCorrect to encode the string but how do you decode this using php? llXorBase64StringsCorrect   http://pastebin.com/XEMF22Kc
2015-06-16 19:53 <Quill_Littlefeat> ok solved
2015-06-16 23:23 <smxy> oooh, I got my NPC to TP in-region. :)
2015-06-16 23:28 <Plugh> :)
2015-06-16 23:37 <smxy> In Firestorm, isn't there a way to listen on channels other than 0?
2015-06-16 23:37 <smxy> In the chat dialog, I mean.
2015-06-16 23:40 <Plugh> There is an option to have a channel selection in the chat bar. That might be it.
2015-06-16 23:41 <Plugh> smxy: It is in Typing tab of main Chat tab of Preferences.
2015-06-16 23:43 <smxy> hmm
2015-06-16 23:44 <smxy> Typing tab?
2015-06-16 23:45 <smxy> Ah, *Firestorm* tab. :)
2015-06-16 23:45 <smxy> Thanks.
2015-06-16 23:50 <smxy> Darn, that only lets me send on another channel, not listen. :(
2015-06-17 00:02 <smxy> Got that, too. :)
2015-06-17 00:08 <smxy> I carry a bunny everywhere, so I turned him into a radio. :P
2015-06-17 00:13 <smxy> I wonder what would happen if I tried to TP the NPC to another region ...
2015-06-17 01:04 <smxy> As I figured, it doesn't work: 21:02:13 - [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: Teleport of Collision Creator from Test2 to Eld was refused because Failed to verify user presence in the grid for  , access denied to region Eld.
2015-06-17 01:05 <smxy> That's a shame, because being able to TP an NPC around your grid could be really useful for testing and other purposes.
2015-06-17 01:33 <dahlia> smxy: use a bot
2015-06-17 02:33 <smxy> I have no clue how to do that, dahlia.
2015-06-17 02:34 <smxy> I just figured out the basics of NPCs yesterday, lol.
2015-06-17 02:35 <smxy> Plus I wanted something that didn't require a viewer of any kind to be connected, so I could just let it run and run and run in-world. Can a bot do that? Maybe (probably) I don't know enough.
2015-06-17 02:35 <dahlia> bots arent npcs, theyre clients
2015-06-17 02:35 <dahlia> pcampbot
2015-06-17 02:38 <smxy> That's an executable that comes with OpenSim?
2015-06-17 02:39 <smxy> Looking at the wiki page, trying to figure it out ...
2015-06-17 02:39 <smxy> Looks like something I'd run as mono pcampbot.exe ...
2015-06-17 02:39 <dahlia> ya
2015-06-17 02:43 <smxy> I don't see any way to script them.
2015-06-17 02:45 <dahlia> it has "behaviors", one of which will teleport around
2015-06-17 02:46 <smxy> I need them to use my collision-based teleporter, not just TP around.
2015-06-17 02:46 <smxy> I'm setting up repeatable, long-running tests.
2015-06-17 02:46 <dahlia> they could walk thru that
2015-06-17 02:46 <smxy> *could*
2015-06-17 02:47 <smxy> I don't see how to direct which way hey go or make them repeat a specific behavior over and over.
2015-06-17 02:47 <smxy> they*
2015-06-17 02:47 <dahlia> you have to code stuff in C#
2015-06-17 02:51 <smxy> No, not a programmer. But I see something that might work. I can give them a start location plus a behavior of none. That would let me drop them onto a horizontally-laid teleporter, which would send them to over another horizontally-laid one and they'd go back and forth. I did that myself for 4000 TPs once. All they have to do is stand still.
2015-06-17 02:53 <dahlia> why do you need to teleport them?
2015-06-17 02:55 <smxy> Ever since switching to BulletSim, I and others have noticed that, after a variable amount of time, the scripts running collision-based teleporters (not volume-detect - avatars vcolliding with a prim) stop getting the colission event and thus stop working. Recompiling the script or restarting the region makes them work again, until the next time.
2015-06-17 02:56 <smxy> I've been trying to cause it to happen, so that we can get it fixed. It's a 2+ year old problem.
2015-06-17 02:56 <smxy> No one has ever been able to make it happen yet. Just time.
2015-06-17 02:57 <smxy> Mantis #7132
2015-06-17 02:59 <smxy> I'm trying to create simple repeatable tests that might trigger it, without the complexity of my teleport gates. So, I have an NPC walking into a wall over and over, causing collisions. I have another one colliding with a prim that TPs it back 20m, over and over. Now I want one that TPs back and forth between two regions over and over ...
2015-06-17 03:00 <smxy> I need to make them easy and repeatable, so that if something triggers this, I can give it to a dev to repro.
2015-06-17 03:00 <dahlia> I would probably make a big hollow cylinder, maybe 100 meters tall, and have a flat prim (not linked) at the bottom that had a collision detect and would push on collision, then just have the npc jump into it
2015-06-17 03:00 <dahlia> and watch it bounce up and down
2015-06-17 03:01 <smxy> We think teleporting may need to be involved.
2015-06-17 03:02 <dahlia> we?
2015-06-17 03:02 <smxy> One thing we noticed is that when TPing in-region, the prim sees collision_start and collision_end. But when TPing out of the region, the sctript never sees collision_end.
2015-06-17 03:02 <smxy> Dan banner and I. We're on the mantis.
2015-06-17 03:03 <smxy> It's actually his mantis.
2015-06-17 03:03 <dahlia> I see collisions fail in those door scripts but they dont tp
2015-06-17 03:03 <smxy> But I have the exact same problem.
2015-06-17 03:03 <smxy> Those are volume-detect. Different kind of collision.
2015-06-17 03:04 <smxy> volume-detect collisions are, according to neb, horribly broken under BulletSim.
2015-06-17 03:04 <smxy> But I'm not using that.
2015-06-17 03:06 <smxy> Diva kinda made it sound (or, I took it this way) like I haven't tried hard enough to repro it. I've spent weeks and weeks over the past year trying to. But never with simple, repeatable tests. So that's what I'm trying to do now.
2015-06-17 03:07 <smxy> I'm also trying to think up new ways to try to trigger it.
2015-06-17 03:07 <dahlia> why cant you just tp within the region?
2015-06-17 03:07 <smxy> That's never triggered it.
2015-06-17 03:07 <smxy> yet
2015-06-17 03:08 <dahlia> kk well a bot can probably do it with a little coding, otherwise just use another viewer
2015-06-17 03:08 <dahlia> radegast maybe
2015-06-17 03:08 <dahlia> radegast is a bot with a gui
2015-06-17 03:09 <smxy> Well, as I said, a start point, plus a behavior of none should just make them rez and stand still. I can rez them over one prim that TPs them to over another, and so on.
2015-06-17 03:09 <dahlia> its also scriptable in c#
2015-06-17 03:15 <smxy> Diva's said she doesn't really care about the problem, so I get the feeling that unless I find a way to repro it, no one will bother trying to figure it out and fix it. I can't even seem to get misterblue interested in it anymore. He's the one that thought maybe teleports had to be involved, btw.
2015-06-17 03:25 <smxy> She did give the advice to try to come up with soemthing simple, fast and reproducible. Easier said than done though. :)
2015-06-17 03:31 <dahlia> actually I'd probably use testclient rather than pcampbot. With testclient, you can have a script send it commands
2015-06-17 03:31 <dahlia> its a lot more feature rich than pcampbot
2015-06-17 03:35 <smxy> I don't even know what that is, much less how to use it. Got a link to something that might give me some clue? :)
2015-06-17 03:37 <dahlia> its a small program that comes with libopenmetaverse
2015-06-17 03:39 <smxy> ok
2015-06-17 04:12 <smxy> dahlia: what's the URL for libopenmetaverse now? I thought it got a new one recently, but I can't find it.
2015-06-17 04:15 <smxy> I found it on github, was just curious where the new website is.
2015-06-17 04:58 <dahlia> smxy: I think it's this http://openmetaverse.co/
2015-06-17 05:12 <smxy> Yup, that's it, dahlia - thanks.
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2015-06-17 08:14 <osmantis> Bug #7616:04 Sound playing in object stops and does not restart when a parameter is changed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7616 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-17 08:14 <osmantis> Bug #7616:04 Sound playing in object stops and does not restart when a parameter is changed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7616 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-06-17 08:21 <osmantis> Bug #7617:04 NPC osAgentSaveAppearance notecard created does not show in object contents until some other content changed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7617 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-17 08:21 <osmantis> Bug #7616:04 Sound playing in object stops and does not restart when a parameter is changed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7616 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-06-17 08:23 <osmantis> Bug #7616:04 Sound playing in object stops and does not restart when a parameter is changed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7616 ): has been set as DUPLICATE OF issue 0007186.
2015-06-17 08:23 <osmantis> Bug #7186:04 Looping Sounds Stops 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7186 ): The issue 0007616 has been set as DUPLICATE OF the following issue.
2015-06-17 08:25 <osmantis> Bug #7186:04 Looping Sounds Stops 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7186 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-17 11:52 <osmantis> Bug #7186:04 Looping Sounds Stops 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7186 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-17 23:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #4234 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-17 23:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4234: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4234/
2015-06-17 23:06 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Bug fix in inventory fetching: sometimes the caps request comes before there is a scene presence, and that's ok.
2015-06-18 07:18 <ssm2017> hello
2015-06-18 07:18 <ssm2017> the forge looks down
2015-06-18 10:10 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2015-06-18 17:12 <osmantis> Bug #7617:04 NPC osAgentSaveAppearance notecard created does not show in object contents until some other content changed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7617 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-06-18 18:13 <quill_littlefeat> I am trying to use osSetParcelDetails to change parcel owner but it does not change. anyone know how this comand should be used to change owner?
2015-06-18 18:18 <quill_littlefeat> from the example http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsSetParcelDetails i am getting a santax error at PARCEL_DETAILS_CLAIMDATE, claimed];
2015-06-18 18:21 <AliciaRaven> quill_littlefeat, you could try removing the claim date part, i dont use that but i know changing owner works for me
2015-06-18 18:22 <AliciaRaven> osSetParcelDetails(position, [PARCEL_DETAILS_OWNER, owner]);
2015-06-18 18:22 <AliciaRaven> should be enough
2015-06-18 18:23 <quill_littlefeat> so i do not need to use the position?
2015-06-18 18:23 <AliciaRaven> yes you need position so it knows what parcel the call is being made from
2015-06-18 18:24 <AliciaRaven> best to replace the hard coded posiotion in that script with the current position of the prim calling...
2015-06-18 18:24 <AliciaRaven> osSetParcelDetails(llGetPos(), [PARCEL_DETAILS_OWNER, owner]);
2015-06-18 18:25 <quill_littlefeat> ahh ok thats whats wrong
2015-06-18 18:26 <quill_littlefeat> thank you its working
2015-06-18 18:26 <AliciaRaven> np :)
2015-06-18 18:28 <quill_littlefeat> does this box half to be on the parcel im changing or just the region?
2015-06-18 18:29 <AliciaRaven> it has to be in the region, but if u give it the position that is in the parcel it can be anywhere
2015-06-18 18:29 <AliciaRaven> using llGetPos() it would have to be on the parcel
2015-06-18 18:30 <quill_littlefeat> ok so i will have to make a database for parcel positions for this object then 
2015-06-18 19:04 <AliciaRaven> diva, the other day u added freaky tech to contributors, his name was already there, the alphabetical order goes abit wrong in that list lol
2015-06-18 20:16 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-18 20:17 <osmantis> Bug #7538:04 Bulletsim: If a cut prim or mesh surface is tilted very much in both x and y direction, most physics vehicles fall through it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7538 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-18 20:19 <osmantis> Bug #7561:04 Console "alert" command is not working on var regions, but does work on normal sims. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7561 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-18 21:19 <osmantis> Bug #7618:04 Add MaxMaterialsPerTransaction to SimulatorFeatures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7618 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-18 21:20 <osmantis> Bug #7618:04 Add MaxMaterialsPerTransaction to SimulatorFeatures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7618 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-06-18 21:25 <osmantis> Bug #7618:04 Add MaxMaterialsPerTransaction to SimulatorFeatures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7618 ): has been UPDATED.
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2015-06-18 23:07 <osmantis> Bug #7619:04 [PATCH] Warp3D Map Rendering Optimization 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7619 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-18 23:07 <osmantis> Bug #7619:04 [PATCH] Warp3D Map Rendering Optimization 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7619 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-06-18 23:51 <Plugh> why does osGetNotecard have a threat level of VeryHigh?
2015-06-18 23:56 <AliciaRaven> only reason i can think is it might be a resource hog
2015-06-18 23:56 <AliciaRaven> i always wonder why osGetGridName is moderate, like the name of the grid might be a secret
2015-06-18 23:57 <AliciaRaven> create notecard should be high because misuse could fill the asset server with crap, but reading should be fine
2015-06-18 23:57 <Plugh> If you don't already know the name of the grid one is in, one must not be paying attention. :)
2015-06-18 23:57 <AliciaRaven> maybe they just all got grouped together
2015-06-18 23:57 <Plugh> yea, I get that one.
2015-06-18 23:57 <AliciaRaven> exactly lol
2015-06-18 23:57 <Plugh> Possible.
2015-06-18 23:58 <AliciaRaven> avatar, where am i, script, im not allowed to tell u :P
2015-06-19 01:46 <OtakuMegane> A number of the OS functions have threat levels that really make no sense or were given a high level because of some rare edge case that might happen
2015-06-19 09:08 <osmantis> Bug #7411:04 [USER MANAGEMENT MODULE]: Unable to parse home URL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7411 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-19 10:24 <osmantis> Bug #7620:04 Adding AvatarHoverHeight to SimulatorFeatures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7620 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-19 10:25 <osmantis> Bug #7620:04 Adding AvatarHoverHeight to SimulatorFeatures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7620 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-06-19 13:12 <osmantis> Bug #7620:04 Adding AvatarHoverHeight to SimulatorFeatures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7620 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-19 13:54 <osmantis> Bug #7618:04 Add MaxMaterialsPerTransaction to SimulatorFeatures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7618 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-19 13:57 <osmantis> Bug #7619:04 [PATCH] Warp3D Map Rendering Optimization 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7619 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-19 13:58 <osmantis> Bug #7611:04 New Optional module GodNames viewer support 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7611 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-06-19 14:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #4235 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-19 14:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4235: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4235/
2015-06-19 14:07 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Warp3DImageModule. Reduce workload by not calling to render the root prim twice. When loading prims to draw the map, the Warp3D system first calls to load the root prim, followed by all the prims in the SOG. The initial call to load the root prim is not required because it is also in the parts list. The result of this was that all root prims were being loaded twice.
2015-06-19 14:55 <osmantis> Bug #7618:04 Add MaxMaterialsPerTransaction to SimulatorFeatures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7618 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-19 14:57 <osmantis> Bug #7618:04 Add MaxMaterialsPerTransaction to SimulatorFeatures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7618 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-19 15:06 <osmantis> Bug #7618:04 Add MaxMaterialsPerTransaction to SimulatorFeatures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7618 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-19 15:08 <osmantis> Bug #7618:04 Add MaxMaterialsPerTransaction to SimulatorFeatures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7618 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-19 15:23 <osmantis> Bug #7618:04 Add MaxMaterialsPerTransaction to SimulatorFeatures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7618 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-19 15:31 <osmantis> Bug #7618:04 Add MaxMaterialsPerTransaction to SimulatorFeatures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7618 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-19 15:39 <osmantis> Bug #7618:04 Add MaxMaterialsPerTransaction to SimulatorFeatures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7618 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-19 15:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #4236 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-19 15:45 <osmantis> Bug #7618:04 Add MaxMaterialsPerTransaction to SimulatorFeatures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7618 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-19 15:47 <osmantis> Bug #7618:04 Add MaxMaterialsPerTransaction to SimulatorFeatures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7618 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-19 15:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4236: SUCCESS in 4 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4236/
2015-06-19 15:50 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Add MaxMaterialsPerTransaction to SimFeatures
2015-06-19 15:59 <Plugh> Is there a way for a script to obtain a profile pic in OS without the need of an external PHP script?
2015-06-19 16:10 <nebadon> I dont think so Plugh
2015-06-19 16:11 <Plugh> ok. That's rather what I was thinking.
2015-06-19 16:12 <Plugh> I don't think Robust has a way to retrieve pics so I would have to make my own custom PHP script. Easily done.
2015-06-19 16:15 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/RLnTPb28
2015-06-19 16:15 <nebadon> this is to retrieve the texture uuid from osprofiles
2015-06-19 16:15 <nebadon> via the persons UUID
2015-06-19 16:15 <nebadon> php
2015-06-19 16:16 <osmantis> Bug #7619:04 [PATCH] Warp3D Map Rendering Optimization 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7619 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-06-19 16:16 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/W9AjsY3q
2015-06-19 16:16 <nebadon> there is the LSL Plugh
2015-06-19 16:17 <nebadon> it assumes you have the above php in a location like
2015-06-19 16:17 <Plugh> the LSL scripts I've seen do a request to an external web page.
2015-06-19 16:17 <nebadon> http://mywebsite.com/getprofilepicuuid/index.php
2015-06-19 16:17 <nebadon> it does
2015-06-19 16:17 <nebadon> but only to fetch the asset UUID for the profile pic from osprofile
2015-06-19 16:17 <nebadon> my example will only work with osprofile
2015-06-19 16:18 <nebadon> it would need to be adjusted for core profiles
2015-06-19 16:18 <nebadon> notice there are 2 pastebin URLs above
2015-06-19 16:18 <nebadon> first is the php
2015-06-19 16:19 <nebadon> second is the LSL
2015-06-19 16:19 <nebadon> of course this can only be done with help from the grid administrator
2015-06-19 16:19 <nebadon> its not possible to just implement this without direct help from grid admins :)
2015-06-19 16:26 <Plugh> nebadon: Simple enough bit of PHP. What is the origin of it? I would like to include that with the ossearch module.
2015-06-19 16:26 <nebadon> me
2015-06-19 16:27 <nebadon> and thats fine to include it :)
2015-06-19 16:27 <Plugh> ok, thanks.
2015-06-19 16:27 <Plugh> I'll modify it slightly as I can have it include databaseinfo.php to get the mysql connection data.
2015-06-19 16:27 <nebadon> cool
2015-06-19 18:04 <Trinity93> Overheard: �Ubuntu is an ancient African word that means "I can't configure Debian.��
2015-06-19 18:07 <Wanderer_42> it means: "too much dealing with console and thousands of configuration-files is anachronistic" :-)
2015-06-19 18:08 <smxy> You don't need no stinkin' GUI. :)
2015-06-19 18:12 <Wanderer_42> sure. It is much more effective, to type something like : xyz -argumentx -parameter-z  instead to click with the mouse of an stinkin' "lets go"-Button :-9
2015-06-19 18:35 <Plugh> nebadon: http://pastebin.com/ZtqdhpK4
2015-06-19 18:35 <Plugh> nebadon: I made some changes to your script
2015-06-19 18:36 <nebadon> cool
2015-06-19 19:08 <Plugh> I've added the PHP script to my copy of ossearch but I haven't committed it yet. I want to add some information to the README file before I do that.
2015-06-19 19:15 <nebadon> ok you will need to check with Melanie_T on the status of gitbucket too
2015-06-19 19:15 <nebadon> I think she was waiting to hear from Justin about DNS
2015-06-19 19:15 <nebadon> not sure if that has happened yet or not
2015-06-19 19:16 <Plugh> oh, right. I forgot about that.
2015-06-19 19:16 <nebadon> doesnt look like it has yet
2015-06-19 19:16 <nebadon> unless we are not calling it forge anymore maybe
2015-06-19 19:18 <Plugh> I have to look over the README file and update it before I'm ready to commit any changes. I may do that later today. I'm about to take a break and go afk for a while.
2015-06-19 19:18 <nebadon> ok
2015-06-19 19:19 <Plugh> I have a GPS receive module and I want to do some experiments to see if I use it with my camera to automatically include GPS location info when I take pictures.
2015-06-19 19:20 <nebadon> nice
2015-06-19 19:20 <Plugh> Inexpensive module and it may be more accurate than the commercial units currently avaialble for my camera.
2015-06-19 19:21 <Plugh> Other units have an accuracy of 10m. This unit is supposed to give positions to within 2.5m.
2015-06-19 19:22 <Plugh> bb
2015-06-19 19:22 <Plugh> l
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2015-06-19 20:19 <osmantis> Bug #7618:04 Add MaxMaterialsPerTransaction to SimulatorFeatures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7618 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-06-19 20:33 <osmantis> Bug #7620:04 Adding AvatarHoverHeight to SimulatorFeatures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7620 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2015-06-19 20:55 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-19 20:59 <Trinity93> ah crap neb left
2015-06-19 20:59 <Trinity93> i was gona tell him about the piface pirack i bought
2015-06-19 21:59 <CrasherRob> Something deleted my OpenMetaverse.*.dll files, maybe perhaps the windows malicious file removal tool. Is this a known problem?
2015-06-19 22:03 <CrasherRob> I just found it in Norton's quarantine: They supposedly contain WS.Reputation.1, (About to look up what that means.)
2015-06-19 22:05 <CrasherRob> These files have a "low reputation score" which can mean that nobody uses them.
2015-06-19 22:06 <Melani___> you should disable that particular filter
2015-06-19 22:07 <Melanie_T> file "reputation" is based on the assumption that all software that is marginally used (e.g. by less than .01% of Windows users) is suspicious
2015-06-19 22:07 <CrasherRob> Yeah, I disabled Norton and can run OK.
2015-06-19 22:08 <Trinity93> virus scanners are mostly snake oil
2015-06-19 22:19 <smxy> CrasherRob: I would not disable Norton's. I'd do what Melanie_T suggested, and just disable that particular filter. IMNSHO.
2015-06-20 00:47 <CrasherRob> It wasn't enough to just remove WS.Reputation.1 from the signature list. Norton was then displeased with OpenSim.exe because it found Sonar.dropper, meaning it acted like malware that drops other malware. Norton just had an update that required a reboot, and the updated Norton seems to be a lot more suspicious. I've sent the information to Norton so they can analyze it for themselves. In the meantime, I'll keep Norton from
2015-06-20 00:47 <CrasherRob> looking at the grid software.
2015-06-20 10:35 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-20 10:43 <osmantis> Bug #7621:04 Animations totally desync 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7621 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-20 10:55 <osmantis> Bug #7621:04 Animations totally desync 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7621 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-06-20 16:45 <osmantis> Bug #7621:04 Animations totally desync 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7621 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-20 16:51 <osmantis> Bug #7621:04 Animations totally desync 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7621 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-20 17:34 <osmantis> Bug #7621:04 Animations totally desync 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7621 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-20 17:50 <linkedinyou> anyone had experience building binary opensim with RPMBUILD? so when i deploy the container will distribute the way it should be .. rpmbuild a redhat package container
2015-06-20 17:59 <Melanie_T> linkedinyou: don't bother
2015-06-20 17:59 <Melanie_T> redhat no longer packages any kind of current mono
2015-06-20 17:59 <Melanie_T> so you can't create solid dependencies
2015-06-20 17:59 <Melanie_T> as your RPM would need to depend on mono packages that just aren't there
2015-06-20 18:00 <Melanie_T> unless you want to run mono 2.4
2015-06-20 18:00 <linkedinyou> i am using opensuse and i guess we can do it with no depenedncy?
2015-06-20 18:00 <Melanie_T> opensuse does ship mono rpms
2015-06-20 18:00 <Melanie_T> redhat diesn't 
2015-06-20 18:00 <linkedinyou> what is the altrnative then ?
2015-06-20 18:00 <Melanie_T> so you should depend this in mono and mono-devel
2015-06-20 18:01 <Melanie_T> on*
2015-06-20 18:01 <smxy> Besides, you should run it out of a normal user's home directory (non-root).
2015-06-20 18:01 <linkedinyou> we can not package opensim?
2015-06-20 18:01 <smxy> No need for an rpm.
2015-06-20 18:01 <Melanie_T> smxy: RPM are for system level install
2015-06-20 18:01 <smxy> I believe that's what I just said, Melanie_T.
2015-06-20 18:01 <Melanie_T> an RPM would have to contain a postinstall script to create an "opensim" user
2015-06-20 18:01 <Melanie_T> as well as a wrapper to start it as that user
2015-06-20 18:02 <Melanie_T> and system start stop scripts calling that wrapper
2015-06-20 18:02 <Melanie_T> look at RPMs like named
2015-06-20 18:02 <Melanie_T> which does all that quite naetly
2015-06-20 18:02 <linkedinyou> Melanie_T: this is what i aim for to build it with opensuse image and distribute it as it is while installing the image
2015-06-20 18:03 <Melanie_T> smxy: no, you said "no need for an rpm. you can't simply swipe aside someone's need for an rpm by telling him he should nto make one but run it is as user
2015-06-20 18:03 <Melanie_T> the two are orthoginal
2015-06-20 18:03 <Melanie_T> roms can be packaged to run the contents as users
2015-06-20 18:04 <Melanie_T> linkedinyou now you're mixing apples and pears
2015-06-20 18:04 <Melanie_T> if you want to distribute an _image_, you need no rpm
2015-06-20 18:04 <smxy> YOU swiped his need aside by telling him not to bother.
2015-06-20 18:04 <Melanie_T> the rom would be something that people can install by adding your repo ti yast and then simply installing into their system
2015-06-20 18:04 <Melanie_T> a full system image, like a live cd, is something different and that indeed doesn't need RPM packaging
2015-06-20 18:05 <Melanie_T> smxy: that was when he said redhat because in redhat it's not worth it - no mono
2015-06-20 18:05 <Melanie_T> when he said opensuse i changed the tune because opensuse has mono
2015-06-20 18:06 <Melanie_T> linkedinyou: so you need to decide - image (for emulators), image (as live cd), image (for docker) or pacjage (rpm)
2015-06-20 18:06 <smxy> That just means no *packaged* mono. I could create n RPM that depended on a specific version of mon, regardless of how it got there. But, clearly, you know all, so I'll step aside.
2015-06-20 18:07 <Melanie_T> smxy: you can't reliably depend an RPM on a specific mono because people could install it anywhere and your preinstall script may not even find it. as a package for the great wide internet, the support effort for that would be too high
2015-06-20 18:08 <Melanie_T> also, yum would not be able to install it, yet more support questions as people are stumped
2015-06-20 18:08 <Melanie_T> because they're used to yum being able to install rpms
2015-06-20 18:08 <linkedinyou> Melanie_T:  all i need to make thing much easier for me to distribute the package and easy run it .. not to do the whole process while installing new image
2015-06-20 18:08 <linkedinyou> i was bothering with Docker really
2015-06-20 18:08 <linkedinyou> container for docker but as you said i need to decide frit
2015-06-20 18:08 <Melanie_T> which is why for redhat i said "don't bother" not "impossible"
2015-06-20 18:09 <smxy> Simple solution: build a momno rpm too.
2015-06-20 18:09 <smxy> mono*
2015-06-20 18:09 <Melanie_T> linkedinyou: is this to be distributed to the wider internet audience or are you simply looking for a way to update a grid as a unit?
2015-06-20 18:10 <linkedinyou> Melanie_T:  only one grid wide network
2015-06-20 18:10 <Melanie_T> then you're probably looking at a hell of a lot of avoidable work 
2015-06-20 18:10 <Melanie_T> RPM .spec files are notoriously difficult to get right
2015-06-20 18:10 <Melanie_T> but since you'd need no dependencies, installing into known configurations, doable
2015-06-20 18:11 <Melanie_T> however, the question riases it's head, why not simply update via rsync over ssh?
2015-06-20 18:11 <linkedinyou> Melanie_T: trying to understand the right and easy way to distribute as it really lots of work running many opensim same time
2015-06-20 18:12 <linkedinyou> Melanie_T:  you know rsync is yes easy but i am thinking in long term and how should it be the right way to make this happen
2015-06-20 18:13 <Melanie_T> well, avination uses rsync
2015-06-20 18:13 <Melanie_T> and it's been around for 6 years
2015-06-20 18:13 <Melanie_T> i'd call that long term
2015-06-20 18:15 <smxy> I share a single, central, location via NFS to each server that needs it.
2015-06-20 18:16 <Melanie_T> nfs has horribly slow timeots
2015-06-20 18:16 <linkedinyou> Melanie_T: i guess what bother is the update that we make everytime so it will need to update the rpm too ,, for me update rpm would be much easier if the post script tided nicely 
2015-06-20 18:16 <Melanie_T> also, having nodes "pull" new versions rather than pushing them robs you of a certain amount of control
2015-06-20 18:16 <Melanie_T> like the ability for romming or parametrized restarts
2015-06-20 18:16 <Melanie_T> rolling*
2015-06-20 18:16 <linkedinyou> Melanie_T: what is fast ? what is the right way?
2015-06-20 18:19 <Melanie_T> we use some extensions to the remoteadmin module to obtain the actually running version number of each region service
2015-06-20 18:19 <linkedinyou> what did i miss
2015-06-20 18:19 <Melanie_T> and then use rsync and a collection of control scripts to update those that need it
2015-06-20 18:19 <Melanie_T> you missed nothing
2015-06-20 18:19 <Melanie_T> i stopped while you were gone
2015-06-20 18:20 <linkedinyou> Melanie_T:  that mean we still do it as we do that manually by rsync but using a script?
2015-06-20 18:21 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-06-20 18:21 <Melanie_T> over the years we developed a quite complex set of management tools
2015-06-20 18:21 <linkedinyou> and the RPM wont add any benefits it i bother my self with?
2015-06-20 18:22 <linkedinyou> Melanie_T:  i realy do not know how you could handled all that regions in Avination for long time process
2015-06-20 18:24 <linkedinyou> i made a grid space zones for the estates to try to arrange the process but even needed some high skills level to run wider network
2015-06-20 18:24 <linkedinyou> grid space zones module but not stable yet 
2015-06-20 18:33 <linkedinyou|2> i have a good internet but IRC keep disconnecting me 
2015-06-21 15:45 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-21 15:46 <nebadon> ok I really need to go, im running late :) be back later
2015-06-21 15:49 <smxy> JeffKelley: There are times I've wondered if it's a bug in my blamgate script, but I honesttly don't see how a screwup on my part could cause it to stop registering a collision_start event. But if you recompile the scripts in one that's "gone bad", it starts working again ...
2015-06-21 15:50 <smxy> I wonder if its state isn't getting corrupted somehow.
2015-06-21 15:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #4237 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-21 15:50 <smxy> ... is* getting ...
2015-06-21 15:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4237: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4237/
2015-06-21 15:55 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Guard against null AgentPrefs service in llGetAgentLanguage()
2015-06-21 15:55 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Fix my typo, the dll is named OpenSim, not Opensim
2015-06-21 15:56 <JeffKelley> smxy : have we ever seen the issue for anything other than blamgates/teleporters ?
2015-06-21 15:57 <smxy> danbanner saw it with a collision-based teleporter, but I don't know if it was with one of my blamgates or not. Those are the only ones I know of that have the problem. Nebadon's is different, as it uses volume detect.
2015-06-21 15:58 <smxy> misterblue thought it might be that teleporting plays a part in this.
2015-06-21 15:58 <danbanner> i have collision teleporters at lbsa 
2015-06-21 15:58 <JeffKelley> they are not the onlu ones, i have the issue on teleporters i've written myself
2015-06-21 15:58 <danbanner> they stay working fine if i use ODE
2015-06-21 15:58 <smxy> okay, that makes me feel better about it not being a bug in my gate.
2015-06-21 15:58 <JeffKelley> yes, teleporting may play a part, that's what i'm discussing
2015-06-21 15:59 <smxy> I had once before set up a test of continuously doing an A->B->A teleport between two non-neighboring sims and couldn't trigger it.
2015-06-21 16:00 <smxy> But maybe I need multiple doing it simultaneously.
2015-06-21 16:01 <JeffKelley> volume detect teleporters stop working after some days on a low-trafic gateway
2015-06-21 16:02 <Melanie_T> JeffKelley: what about putting in a script that toggled VD off and on again once a day? It would be interesting to see if that works around the issue and give valuable information on where to look next
2015-06-21 16:03 <JeffKelley> i have a llResetScript on timer
2015-06-21 16:03 <smxy> Then there's the thing we noticed about how the teleporter never sees a collision end event when teleporting out of the region (it does, when the destination is in-region). But that didn't seem to trigger it in my test either, even though it lost every end event.
2015-06-21 16:04 <JeffKelley> but... if you call twice llSetVolumeDetect that fails, did you notice that ?
2015-06-21 16:04 <smxy> Melanie_T: You know we're talking about two different collision problems, right?
2015-06-21 16:04 <JeffKelley> two?
2015-06-21 16:05 <smxy> Balmgates do NOT use volume detect.
2015-06-21 16:05 <JeffKelley> uh?
2015-06-21 16:05 <JeffKelley> MANTIS # ?
2015-06-21 16:06 <smxy> 7132
2015-06-21 16:06 <Melanie_T> smxy: correct
2015-06-21 16:06 <Melanie_T> JeffKelley's VD gates
2015-06-21 16:07 <smxy> My gates teleport you when they detect you colliding with it, without the use of volume detect.
2015-06-21 16:07 <Melanie_T> and blamgates which use collision with a solid object
2015-06-21 16:07 <smxy> yes.
2015-06-21 16:07 <smxy> Just making sure everyone knows there's TWO problems, not one.
2015-06-21 16:08 <smxy> People keep assuming I'm talking about volume detect, when I'm not. ;)
2015-06-21 16:09 <JeffKelley> i'm confused
2015-06-21 16:09 <JeffKelley> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlVolumeDetect : Events queued depending on type 	VolumeDetect 	Phantom 
2015-06-21 16:12 <Melanie_T> smxy: both VD and static collision use the same code path
2015-06-21 16:13 <Melanie_T> the difference lies in how the object is set up in physics
2015-06-21 16:13 <Melanie_T> so there may be similarities in the issues
2015-06-21 16:14 <smxy> That makes sense.
2015-06-21 16:14 <JeffKelley> collision() is triggered for any solid object ?
2015-06-21 16:15 <JeffKelley> i've never used it that way so yes, they are two distinct issues but possibly related
2015-06-21 16:25 <JeffKelley> just checked the defective teleporters against Melanie_T suggestion : it hapens that that's exactly what I do : state_entry  llVolumeDetect (FALSE);  llVolumeDetect (TRUE); en llResetScript every 160752 seconds
2015-06-21 16:26 <JeffKelley> s/en/and/
2015-06-21 16:26 <Melanie_T> change that, please, to also briefly turn the pbject phantom
2015-06-21 16:26 <Melanie_T> llVolumeDetect(FALSE);
2015-06-21 16:26 <Melanie_T> llSetStatus(STATUS_PHANTOM, TRUE);
2015-06-21 16:26 <Melanie_T> llSetStatus(STATUS_PHANTOM, FALSE);
2015-06-21 16:26 <smxy> so you're working around one collsion problem by turning a different collision type off and on. Intersting.
2015-06-21 16:26 <Melanie_T> llVolumeDetect(TRUE);
2015-06-21 16:27 <Melanie_T> status phantom will remove the solid body from physics completely
2015-06-21 16:27 <Melanie_T> if it still happens after this change
2015-06-21 16:27 <Melanie_T> the cuase is not in physics
2015-06-21 16:27 <JeffKelley> ok
2015-06-21 16:29 <smxy> My gates (the latest version, anway) turn themselves phantom, when they detect the destination is down. Then reverse that when it's back up.
2015-06-21 16:34 <JeffKelley> Melanie_T patch implemented, see you in one week :)
2015-06-21 16:34 <smxy> JeffKelley: So, this is a change you've added to my blamgates or to a different gate?
2015-06-21 16:35 <JeffKelley> different
2015-06-21 16:35 <smxy> ok
2015-06-21 16:36 <smxy> Melanie_T: Any thoughts on how to repro the issue I'm seeing?
2015-06-21 16:36 <JeffKelley> not any
2015-06-21 16:37 <JeffKelley> generating hundred ot thousands of prim collisions works perfect
2015-06-21 16:37 <smxy> yes
2015-06-21 16:38 <smxy> But yet, the gates stop registering collisions ...
2015-06-21 16:41 <JeffKelley> so, llTeleportAgent plays a role
2015-06-21 16:42 <smxy> It seems like it, but I couldn't cause it with one avi doing continuous A->B->A TPs between non-neighboring regions.
2015-06-21 16:42 <smxy> Perhaps I need more doing it.
2015-06-21 16:42 <JeffKelley> npc?
2015-06-21 16:42 <smxy> I tried between two different grids, too, but both were behind my firewall.
2015-06-21 16:42 <smxy> No. Viewer logged in for days. :)
2015-06-21 16:43 <smxy> NPC can't go between regions.
2015-06-21 16:43 <smxy> I wish they could.
2015-06-21 16:43 <smxy> Going to try pcampbots next, I think.
2015-06-21 16:43 <JeffKelley> pCampbot can hypergrid, this is so fun
2015-06-21 16:43 <smxy> I have to learn them first.
2015-06-21 16:44 <notskittles> speaking of collisions, anyone ever thought of maybe using uuidv1 instead of uuidv4 so there aren't quite so many key collisions between grids?
2015-06-21 16:45 <notskittles> or even between simulators in the case of task inventory assets...
2015-06-21 17:18 <Melanie_T> smxy: can I get a tl;dr?
2015-06-21 17:26 <smxy> Melanie_T: The gate stops registering the collision_start event, from which the osTeleportAgent is called, so instead of TPing when you collide with it, you just kinda go "thud". Restarting the region or recompiling the script, makes it work, until the next time. It will happen in multiple regions, each in their own simulator, on the same server, at the same time. It's usually, but not 
2015-06-21 17:26 <smxy> always true, that all gates are affected when it happens.
2015-06-21 17:29 <smxy> While trying to repro it, we found that when the TP is to a destination out of the region, the gate never gets a collision_end event.
2015-06-21 17:29 <smxy> May or may not be related.
2015-06-21 17:34 <Melanie_T> so recompiling, huh?
2015-06-21 17:35 <smxy> I'm pretty sure that temp fixes it, as I recall.
2015-06-21 17:35 <Melanie_T> is it that the collision_start event doesn't fire, or does the event provide wrong data?
2015-06-21 17:35 <smxy> I just restart my sim, as I don't want to recompile 100+ scripts.
2015-06-21 17:35 <Melanie_T> maybe you need to output the num parameter given to collision_start and the collider ID
2015-06-21 17:35 <Melanie_T> i suspect that teleporting the agent out while colliding may leave that agent in the collider list
2015-06-21 17:36 <smxy> An llSay in collision_start() stops talking and no TPO happens.
2015-06-21 17:36 <Melanie_T> since it is removed from physics immediately, it may never get "uncollided"
2015-06-21 17:36 <Melanie_T> and you may be getting old data
2015-06-21 17:36 <smxy> s/TPO/TP/
2015-06-21 17:37 <Melanie_T> regardless, it's probably worth a try to tp the agent in collision_end
2015-06-21 17:37 <smxy> I've done 4K+ of them with a single avatar and not been able to repro it. :(
2015-06-21 17:37 <smxy> How though? People walk into it and stay in collision until they are gone.
2015-06-21 17:38 <Melanie_T> they should "bounce" back 
2015-06-21 17:38 <Melanie_T> solid collisions do that
2015-06-21 17:39 <Melanie_T> unless they keep pressing/holding the forward button
2015-06-21 17:40 <Melanie_T> maybe the same thing works for blamgates - blam! => make gate phantom => teleport agent => make gate solid
2015-06-21 17:40 <smxy> Hmm, I haven't tried that.
2015-06-21 17:41 <smxy> Of course, if they are holding they key down, as I suspect many do, they'll walk into the gate behind it. Hitting multiple gates has always been a problem. :)
2015-06-21 17:42 <smxy> They queue up.
2015-06-21 18:53 <gggBates> hi everyone.
2015-06-21 19:55 <smxy> Melanie_T: You said an avatar should bounce back after a collision, unless they are holding the key down. I walked up to a prim and released the key when I collided. It registered collision_start and now is just registering as in collision about once a second.
2015-06-21 19:56 <smxy> On flat, level ground.
2015-06-21 19:57 <smxy> If I take a step back, then I see collision_end fire.
2015-06-21 20:01 <JeffKelley> smxy : collision() if lazy in BS ; if fires only once per second while 10 in ODE
2015-06-21 20:02 <smxy> ok
2015-06-21 20:02 <Trinity93> whats the sl behavior?
2015-06-21 20:02 <smxy> that explains the timing.
2015-06-21 20:03 <JeffKelley> Trinity93 : no idea, that's ages I did not get there
2015-06-21 20:03 <smxy> I noticed that it stayed in collision because the avatar slightly climbed the prim. Other times, when it didn't, it registere start, two collisions and en end.
2015-06-21 20:05 <smxy> It can be very hard to see if the avatar has climbed the prim. In fact, it can look the same as if it hasn't and stay stuck in collision.
2015-06-21 20:06 <smxy> More often than not, it stays in collision.
2015-06-21 22:11 <smxy> How do I connect more than 1 pCampBot?
2015-06-21 22:11 <smxy> I have made 10 accounts. Boingo Bot_0 through _9
2015-06-21 22:12 <smxy> I can only get _0 to connect
2015-06-21 22:14 <smxy> aha! -n
2015-06-21 22:25 <osmantis> Bug #7622:04 [GridService] NoDirectLogin does not prevent HG visitor direct login as it is intended to 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7622 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-21 22:51 <osmantis> Bug #7622:04 [GridService] NoDirectLogin does not prevent HG visitor direct login as it is intended to 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7622 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-21 22:53 <osmantis> Bug #7622:04 [GridService] NoDirectLogin does not prevent HG visitor direct login as it is intended to 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7622 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-21 23:00 <osmantis> Bug #7622:04 [GridService] NoDirectLogin does not prevent HG visitor direct login as it is intended to 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7622 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-22 00:00 <osmantis> Bug #7622:04 [GridService] NoDirectLogin does not prevent HG visitor direct login as it is intended to 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7622 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-22 00:59 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-22 01:17 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-22 02:38 <osmantis> Bug #7622:04 [GridService] NoDirectLogin does not prevent HG visitor direct login as it is intended to 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7622 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-22 03:11 <osmantis> Bug #7622:04 [GridService] NoDirectLogin does not prevent HG visitor direct login as it is intended to 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7622 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-22 05:12 <osmantis> Bug #7622:04 [GridService] NoDirectLogin does not prevent HG visitor direct login as it is intended to 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7622 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-22 08:10 <osmantis> Bug #7623:04 config-include/GridCommon.ini.example [AvatarService] comment correction 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7623 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-22 12:04 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-22 12:30 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2015-06-22 15:53 <gggBates> hi
2015-06-22 16:28 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-22 18:14 <Littlefeather> if i want to add a new field to mysql regions table where should i add that information in the opensim source code?
2015-06-22 18:15 <Plugh> The migrations files.
2015-06-22 18:16 <Plugh> Under OpenSim/Data
2015-06-22 18:16 <Littlefeather> is that how opensim looksup region data on login or region trasfer?
2015-06-22 18:17 <Plugh> From there, go to the directory for the database you are using and under that is a directory called Resources that has the set of files whose name ends in .migrations
2015-06-22 18:17 <Plugh> The migrations file is what updates the database structure when changes are need to tables. 
2015-06-22 18:17 <Plugh> You may have to modify some other code where records are inserted or updated to that table.
2015-06-22 18:20 <Plugh> The code requesting information on login may be partly under OpenSim/Data but it may also be in the login or regions module. I haven't dug in to that level of detail re: 
2015-06-22 18:20 <Plugh> how/where OS interacts with databases.
2015-06-22 18:26 <Plugh> bbl
2015-06-22 18:27 <Littlefeather> ok
2015-06-22 19:11 <AliciaRaven> Littlefeather, changing opensim tables is not a good idea, next time os does a migration on the table it will probably cause problems
2015-06-22 19:11 <AliciaRaven> better to create your own table for custom data
2015-06-22 19:12 <Littlefeather> I am actual trying to add the ability to enable display names in opensim
2015-06-22 19:13 <AliciaRaven> why would that require adding to the regions table?
2015-06-22 19:17 <AliciaRaven> justin was working on displaynames so i think alot of the code is there, just not in a working form
2015-06-22 19:20 <Littlefeather> i chaneg waht i was working on to displaynames instead as i thought that would be easier
2015-06-22 22:07 <Plugh> Anyone here use monodevelop to build C# code? I can't get it to recognize MySQL.Data
2015-06-22 22:08 <Plugh> I get the common message about the type or namespace 'MySQL.Data' could not be found.
2015-06-22 22:17 <Trinity93> in the IDE or in xbuild?
2015-06-22 22:20 <Plugh> In the mono develop IDE program
2015-06-22 22:21 <dahlia> I don't think I've ever successfully built opensim in monodevelop, but I can't say I've tried very hard
2015-06-22 22:22 <dahlia> I don't like the ide
2015-06-22 22:22 <Plugh> I thought I had mono-complete installed but apparently not. I'm installing it now. It had to install a few additional packages but nothing that looked like it was directly related to DB stuff. 
2015-06-22 22:23 <Plugh> Synaptic is slow to process triggers after the main part of the install. I'll check whether the compile error has gone away after I get back from dinner.
2015-06-22 22:23 <Plugh> bbl
2015-06-22 22:23 <dahlia> oh I just use aptitude or apt-get
2015-06-22 23:03 <Plugh> dahlia, I also do that sometimes too but I was using Synaptic to help me look for packages that may need to be installed that might fix the problem.
2015-06-23 09:08 <JunkHunk> hello people
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2015-06-23 10:28 <ssm2017> hello. is there someone able to use the "AutoBackupScript" parameter for autobackup ?
2015-06-23 10:28 <ssm2017> it looks like the script is never called and no error in the console
2015-06-23 14:52 <osmantis> Bug #7606:04 Group handler exception - PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7606 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-06-23 17:01 <osmantis> Bug #7606:04 Group handler exception - PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7606 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-06-23 17:29 <osmantis> Bug #7606:04 Group handler exception - PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7606 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-23 18:01 <osmantis> Bug #7604:04 DeleteClassifiedRecord exception PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7604 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-23 18:02 <osmantis> Bug #7604:04 DeleteClassifiedRecord exception PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7604 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-06-23 18:57 <nebadon> diva we have a really terrible problem at todays Dev meeting at Wright Plaza
2015-06-23 18:57 <nebadon> seems like 1 persons inventory fetch is uterly destroying the simulator
2015-06-23 18:57 <nebadon> misterblue
2015-06-23 19:00 <nebadon> diva > http://pastebin.com/5RCjWza9
2015-06-23 19:00 <nebadon> he says he is on a wireless connection using Firestorm
2015-06-23 19:00 <nebadon> the sim is basically dead, chat lag is horrible, sim stats keep droping to 0
2015-06-23 19:00 <nebadon> there are 1000s of lines like above
2015-06-23 19:00 <nebadon> he says his viewer says Fetching...
2015-06-23 19:00 <nebadon> for inventory but its not actually downloading
2015-06-23 19:02 <nebadon> and now that he has logged out its still attempting to fetch inventory for his uuid
2015-06-23 19:02 <nebadon> the PrincipalID on those inventory requests is his
2015-06-23 19:04 <Ken_S> nebadon, I hope this is only with FS?
2015-06-23 19:05 <nebadon> no idea
2015-06-23 19:05 <nebadon> first I have seen it do this
2015-06-23 19:05 <nebadon> he is using Firestorm
2015-06-23 19:08 <Ken_S> Sounds serious if it can almost shut down a sim.
2015-06-23 20:08 <Plugh> Is the new forge using git?
2015-06-23 20:10 <Plugh> 
ACTION just noticed the name "Gitbucket" in the corner so that probably means yes.  :P

2015-06-23 20:26 <Plugh> bbl
2015-06-23 20:53 <diva> nebadon was that a osgrid user?
2015-06-23 20:54 <dahlia> diva: yes it was misterblue and I think he was on his osgrid account
2015-06-23 20:54 <dahlia> at least I did not see any grid info on his nametag
2015-06-23 21:00 <nebadon> hey I am back
2015-06-23 21:00 <nebadon> yes it was a local account
2015-06-23 21:26 <nebadon> nice
2015-06-23 21:29 <diva> Melanie_T what part is unecessary complication in the AgentPrefs code that Cinder sent?
2015-06-23 21:30 <diva> I don't really know what the code is supposed to do. Does the viewer remember the preferences client-side across sessions?
2015-06-23 21:30 <diva> Is the server-side data just so that the LSL function works?
2015-06-23 21:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #4238 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-23 21:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4238: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4238/
2015-06-23 21:36 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: FetchInventoryDescendents2: Signal to the viewer that folder with UUID.Zero is a bad folder. Don't even go to the backend to ask for it, because that will likely kill the sim. Apparently Firestorm requests folder Zero quite often.
2015-06-23 21:47 <osmantis> Bug #7624:04 Added support to use <USERNAME> in Welcome Message along with MessageUrl to enable web script messages. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7624 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-23 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #7624:04 Added support to use <USERNAME> in Welcome Message along with MessageUrl to enable web script messages. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7624 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-06-23 21:54 <osmantis> Bug #7624:04 Added support to use <USERNAME> in Welcome Message along with MessageUrl to enable web script messages. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7624 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-23 21:57 <osmantis> Bug #7624:04 Added support to use <USERNAME> in Welcome Message along with MessageUrl to enable web script messages. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7624 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-23 22:00 <osmantis> Bug #7624:04 Added support to use <USERNAME> in Welcome Message along with MessageUrl to enable web script messages. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7624 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-23 22:07 <Plugh> I think I need a connector to use MySQL with a C# program compiled by monodevelop. I tried installing it in per some instructions and it didn't work. 
2015-06-23 22:07 <Plugh> I may have to include the dll in a directory in the source tree in order for it to be seen.
2015-06-23 22:07 <osmantis> Bug #7624:04 Added support to use <USERNAME> in Welcome Message along with MessageUrl to enable web script messages. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7624 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-23 22:20 <osmantis> Bug #7624:04 Added support to use <USERNAME> in Welcome Message along with MessageUrl to enable web script messages. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7624 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-23 22:29 <nebadon> well that was freakin crazy
2015-06-23 22:29 <nebadon> phone started freaking out with tornado warning
2015-06-23 22:29 <nebadon> saying to take immediate shelter
2015-06-23 22:29 <nebadon> I went out and got some video before all hell broke loose
2015-06-23 22:29 <nebadon> no tornado but man it was intense
2015-06-23 22:30 <diva> tornado in NJ?!
2015-06-23 22:31 <nebadon> ya its not totally uncalled for
2015-06-23 22:31 <nebadon> it happened once before about 20 years ago
2015-06-23 23:22 <osmantis> Bug #7624:04 Added support to use <USERNAME> in Welcome Message along with MessageUrl to enable web script messages. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7624 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-23 23:22 <smxy> nebadon: Westchester, PA - about an hour south of me just got hit hard with wind and rain.
2015-06-23 23:22 <smxy> I'm hopng it goes east, not north.
2015-06-23 23:22 <smxy> hoping
2015-06-23 23:25 <nebadon> 2 houses down a huge tree went over and took out their fence
2015-06-23 23:25 <nebadon> and who knows what else in their back yard
2015-06-23 23:25 <nebadon> i know they have an above ground pool there
2015-06-23 23:25 <nebadon> its a really big tree
2015-06-23 23:26 <nebadon> took out about 50 feet of 8 foot tall privacy fence
2015-06-23 23:26 <nebadon> we lost about 1/2 dozen medium size branches
2015-06-23 23:26 <nebadon> no real damage
2015-06-23 23:28 <dahlia> send it to california please
2015-06-23 23:28 <nebadon> they said in certain areas we got 15 inches per hour worth of rain
2015-06-23 23:28 <nebadon> highest they ever saw
2015-06-23 23:29 <dahlia> 
ACTION looks outside at the dried weeds...

2015-06-23 23:31 <linkedinyou> smxy: http://www.google.org/publicalerts/alert?aid=44506072ed755525&hl=en&gl=SA&source=web
2015-06-23 23:33 <smxy> Yes. I'm in a sever alert zone until at least 11 PM
2015-06-23 23:34 <linkedinyou> smxy: this is scary :( God bless you and others
2015-06-23 23:36 <linkedinyou> http://www.wunderground.com/weather-forecast/US/PA/West_Chester.html
2015-06-23 23:37 <smxy> Going east. I may not get it then.
2015-06-23 23:38 <linkedinyou> smxy: is that a flood threats?
2015-06-23 23:39 <smxy> If you look at the map, I'm right between Allentown and the NJ/PA border. On the radar, the worst is south of me.
2015-06-23 23:40 <smxy> I'm not worried about flooding. It's wind that concerns me. But looking at that radar map, I think it's going to miss me.
2015-06-23 23:40 <linkedinyou> smxy: yeah i see it in the map
2015-06-23 23:41 <smxy> Looks like Atlantic City might get it bad.
2015-06-23 23:42 <linkedinyou> smxy: http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?lat=39.98838043&lon=-75.61151886&zoom=8&pin=&rad=1&wxsn=0&svr=0&cams=0&sat=0&riv=0&mm=0&hur=0
2015-06-23 23:42 <smxy> Ah, nice.
2015-06-23 23:43 <smxy> Looks like my cousin is getting it in DC though.
2015-06-23 23:45 <linkedinyou> click the play botton
2015-06-23 23:45 <smxy> I messaged him. He says they are getting hammered there, right now.
2015-06-24 00:31 <smxy> He says it's passed now.
2015-06-24 01:45 <osmantis> Bug #7624:04 Added support to use <USERNAME> in Welcome Message along with MessageUrl to enable web script messages. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7624 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-24 01:57 <linkedinyou> smxy: glade to hear it is gone :)
2015-06-24 01:57 <linkedinyou> i see it heading east
2015-06-24 02:16 <osmantis> Bug #7624:04 Added support to use <USERNAME> in Welcome Message along with MessageUrl to enable web script messages. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7624 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-24 02:30 <osmantis> Bug #7624:04 Added support to use <USERNAME> in Welcome Message along with MessageUrl to enable web script messages. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7624 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
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2015-06-24 09:16 <nebadon> man storm must have been worse than we though, my t-mobile phone and comcast internet/tv have been out since last night
2015-06-24 09:16 <nebadon> phone just started working again
2015-06-24 09:16 <nebadon> tethered my laptop to phone at the moment
2015-06-24 09:19 <dahlia> nebadon: wb
2015-06-24 09:20 <nebadon> thanks, sucks for sure
2015-06-24 09:20 <nebadon> even though my phone is working, its barely working
2015-06-24 09:20 <nebadon> getting zero bars 
2015-06-24 09:20 <dahlia> lol ya doesn't take me long to feel interwebz withdrawals
2015-06-24 09:22 <dahlia> what's really bad is when Cox decides to do maintenance during my prime gaming hours (3-4am) and I hve to tether
2015-06-24 09:22 <dahlia> and have to deal with the lag that comes with 800ms ping times :(((
2015-06-24 09:27 <nebadon> hehe ya
2015-06-24 09:37 <nebadon> http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/weather/stories/Near-Record-Heat-and-Storms-on-Tap-309127671.html
2015-06-24 09:37 <nebadon> ya it was bad sheesh
2015-06-24 09:38 <nebadon> they are saying cars got flipped over not far from me
2015-06-24 09:39 <dahlia> Send some here please :)
2015-06-24 09:40 <dahlia> srsly... CA is becoming a parched wasteland
2015-06-24 10:15 <osmantis> Bug #7503:04 Estate ban request raise exception - banned user data not written to database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7503 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-06-24 10:17 <osmantis> Bug #7606:04 Group handler exception - PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7606 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007503.
2015-06-24 10:18 <osmantis> Bug #7503:04 Estate ban request raise exception - banned user data not written to database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7503 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007606.
2015-06-24 10:18 <osmantis> Bug #7606:04 Group handler exception - PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7606 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-24 10:30 <osmantis> Bug #7576:04 About New Constant OBJECT_BODY_SHAPE_TYPE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7576 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2015-06-24 10:30 <osmantis> Bug #7576:04 About New Constant OBJECT_BODY_SHAPE_TYPE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7576 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2015-06-24 10:43 <osmantis> Bug #7456:04 Group note generating exception - Note not sent [GROUPS HANDLER] - ROBUST 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7456 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-06-24 10:43 <osmantis> Bug #7606:04 Group handler exception - PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7606 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007456.
2015-06-24 10:43 <osmantis> Bug #7456:04 Group note generating exception - Note not sent [GROUPS HANDLER] - ROBUST 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7456 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007606.
2015-06-24 10:44 <osmantis> Bug #7606:04 Group handler exception - PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7606 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-24 10:51 <osmantis> Bug #7503:04 Estate ban request raise exception - banned user data not written to database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7503 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-24 10:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #4239 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-24 10:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4239: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4239/
2015-06-24 10:57 <osjenkins> dahlia: Thanks Gavin Hird for a fix for an exception when requesting an Estate Ban when using PGSQL.
2015-06-24 11:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #4240 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-24 11:10 <osmantis> Bug #7604:04 DeleteClassifiedRecord exception PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7604 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-24 11:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4240: SUCCESS in 4 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4240/
2015-06-24 11:13 <osjenkins> dahlia: Thanks Gavin Hird for a fix for Mantis 0007604: DeleteClassifiedRecord exception PGSQL
2015-06-25 22:04 <diva> littlefeatherQ what change did you do to .gitignore?
2015-06-25 22:04 <diva> weird
2015-06-25 22:05 <osmantis> Bug #7624:04 Added support to use <USERNAME> in Welcome Message along with MessageUrl to enable web script messages. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7624 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-25 22:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #4241 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-25 22:11 <schaeffer> oh, maybe i should have just asked up front earlier: if i add other assemblies to MONO_PATH can i reference them within a C# script for an object?
2015-06-25 22:12 <schaeffer> i want to add more complex behavior to objects in-world but i don't really feel like making one giant class with nested classes and the like inside
2015-06-25 22:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4241: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4241/
2015-06-25 22:12 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Changes to Welcome Message sent to clients.
2015-06-25 22:12 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Fixed bad-ish code in login patch
2015-06-25 22:13 <Plugh> schaeffer: that also helps clarify that you are working on code for a module vs. trying to do C# scripting of an object from within a viewer.
2015-06-25 22:13 <schaeffer> Plugh: yeah, i figured that was a bit ambiguous earlier
2015-06-25 22:13 <Plugh> It was
2015-06-25 22:16 <Plugh> schaeffer: Make a directory for your module and have multiple files in it, one for each of the other classes you need. That would be more typical for a C# (or OOP) bit of code.
2015-06-25 22:17 <schaeffer> Plugh: a directory within the object's inventory?
2015-06-25 22:18 <Plugh> I thought you just clarified you are working on a C# based module for opensim.
2015-06-25 22:19 <diva> I didn't even know that you could in-world script in C# . Is that supported?
2015-06-25 22:19 <diva> as far as I know, only lsl is supported
2015-06-25 22:20 <nebadon> I think its still supported
2015-06-25 22:20 <nebadon> its not considerted very safe though
2015-06-25 22:20 <schaeffer> diva: it is supported, but not enabled by default
2015-06-25 22:20 <Plugh> diva, I thought schaeffer is talking about a C# based module for opensim that will manipulate a module.
2015-06-25 22:20 <Plugh> manipulate an object.
2015-06-25 22:21 <diva> I don't think so, Plugh, I think he's talking about object scripting
2015-06-25 22:21 <Plugh> You might be able to do in-world scripting using C# but that is something that has to be enabled. It isn't enabled by default.
2015-06-25 22:21 <schaeffer> Plugh: i was initially thinking of doing it all in-world, but if adding extra behavior to in-world objects is best done by making a module then i'm happy to look into that.
2015-06-25 22:22 <nebadon> its safer
2015-06-25 22:22 <Plugh> schaeffer: Care to take it from the top and explain in more detail what it is you are trying to do so we are all on the same page?
2015-06-25 22:22 <nebadon> a region module that is
2015-06-25 22:22 <schaeffer> Plugh: sure thing. basically i just want to make a small bot that can take in commands from a user like "!create cube x,y,z" and execute them.
2015-06-25 22:23 <Plugh> Yes, the region module would be. Enabling C# based scripts for objects that can be created in-world could be a big bonus for griefers if it wasn't restricted to use by certain trusted individuals.
2015-06-25 22:23 <schaeffer> definitely; i'd rather people not have a security hole like that if possible
2015-06-25 22:23 <diva> schaffer lsl can do that
2015-06-25 22:24 <diva> to some extent -- th rezzed object need to be in the object inventory
2015-06-25 22:24 <schaeffer> diva: it can, but i wanted to try it with C# since that way i'd have access to more than just LSL
2015-06-25 22:24 <Plugh> Right. You can use llRezObject(At)
2015-06-25 22:25 <schaeffer> but that said, if a C# module i load is easy enough to implement, i'm happy to try that. can you still add listeners and the like with modules?
2015-06-25 22:25 <diva> I'm not sure C# scripts can link to libraries
2015-06-25 22:26 <Plugh> schaeffer: In that case you would need a region module. Your LSL script would pass the commands to the module for execution.
2015-06-25 22:26 <schaeffer> Plugh: that sounds a lot more reasonable
2015-06-25 22:26 <diva> region modules can do anything
2015-06-25 22:26 <schaeffer> more portable too
2015-06-25 22:26 <Plugh> schaeffer: It would also be safer. You aren't exposing the full extent of C# programming to your users.
2015-06-25 22:26 <diva> there's a script-module listener already in core
2015-06-25 22:27 <schaeffer> is the IRegionModule wiki page more or less up to date?
2015-06-25 22:27 <Melanie_T> schaeffer: No. IRegionModule has been removed
2015-06-25 22:27 <Melanie_T> for what yoy want to do, you have several options.
2015-06-25 22:28 <Melanie_T> You can use in world C# scripting. In the XEngine compiler, you can add other assemblies that scripts should be able to link to. you can then use them
2015-06-25 22:28 <schaeffer> Melanie_T: right
2015-06-25 22:28 <Melanie_T> You can use LSL scripting and create a ScriptComms module that exposes extra LSL function
2015-06-25 22:29 <Melanie_T> those are implemented in C# but can be directly called from LSL - much safer 
2015-06-25 22:29 <Melanie_T> you can use a region module that exposes methods to achieve what you want and that contains it's own logic, rather than relying on scripts
2015-06-25 22:30 <Melanie_T> you could use the old "MRM" code from the forge, which provides another kind of c# scripting
2015-06-25 22:30 <Melanie_T> you can use the python region module harness from my github page
2015-06-25 22:30 <Melanie_T> and write the code in python, which can be dunamically reloaded while debugging, a big plus
2015-06-25 22:30 <Melanie_T> we're all about options ;)
2015-06-25 22:31 <schaeffer> sounds like a decent spread!
2015-06-25 22:31 <Melanie_T> regio modules use ISharedRegionModule and INonSharedRegionModule these days
2015-06-25 22:31 <Melanie_T> shared region modules are initialized once at load
2015-06-25 22:31 <Melanie_T> then addregion is called for each additional region in the simulator
2015-06-25 22:31 <schaeffer> so if there's a bug, the whole region needs to be reloaded?
2015-06-25 22:32 <Melanie_T> addregion and removeregion calls can come at any time and the module must be able to handle it
2015-06-25 22:32 <schaeffer> right
2015-06-25 22:32 <Melanie_T> there is a removeregion for each region that is active, followed by a call to close when the sim is stopped
2015-06-25 22:33 <Melanie_T> nonshared region modules have one less initialization method
2015-06-25 22:33 <schaeffer> so if i want to go the C# region module route, where would i start?
2015-06-25 22:33 <schaeffer> right
2015-06-25 22:33 <Melanie_T> but work the same in principle
2015-06-25 22:34 <Melanie_T> the difference is that shared modules have one instance, therefore one set of data, while nonshared modules have one data set for each region
2015-06-25 22:34 <Melanie_T> this is reflected in the lifecycle
2015-06-25 22:34 <Melanie_T> shared modules have a lifecycle equal to the simulator, while nonshared ones have a lifecycle equal to the region
2015-06-25 22:34 <Melanie_T> first, you need to determine the scope you want
2015-06-25 22:35 <Melanie_T> e.g. do you need your module to use shared data because several regions need to be aware of each other's data?
2015-06-25 22:35 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-25 22:35 <Melanie_T> or is each region independent
2015-06-25 22:35 <Melanie_T> in the former case you need a shared module. shared modules are more complex to write
2015-06-25 22:36 <schaeffer> nonshared is the most likely scenario here
2015-06-25 22:36 <Melanie_T> if you don't need that or can proide it though other IPC, you can use the simpler nonshared type
2015-06-25 22:36 <Melanie_T> next, you need to decide if you want your application logic in the c# module
2015-06-25 22:37 <Melanie_T> or if you want to control your logic from LSL scripts
2015-06-25 22:37 <Melanie_T> and have the module provide functions to LSL
2015-06-25 22:38 <schaeffer> my guess is it'll be almost entirely c#
2015-06-25 22:38 <schaeffer> rather, i'm not worried (yet) about communicating with LSL scripts
2015-06-25 22:38 <Melanie_T> well, if you want any LSL interaction, you will need to look at the script comms module
2015-06-25 22:39 <Melanie_T> it combines with the preprocessor to allow LSL scripts to call functions in region modules like they are native, although it has some overhead
2015-06-25 22:39 <Melanie_T> also, you may want to look at the console command handler registration
2015-06-25 22:39 <Melanie_T> to add console commands. it helps immensely when testing
2015-06-25 22:40 <Melanie_T> objects and linksets are SceneObjectPart and SceneObjectGroup objects in C#, respectively, they are in Scene containers. each Scene is a region
2015-06-25 22:40 <Melanie_T> the major interfaces on these classes are pretty stable
2015-06-25 22:41 <Melanie_T> since objects can be serialized to XML, you can use such XML as object templates for procedural building, for example
2015-06-25 22:41 <schaeffer> all makes sense so far
2015-06-25 22:42 <Melanie_T> from this point forward, it's all just a matter of studying existing detail implementations
2015-06-25 22:42 <Melanie_T> the bext way to get started is to download a module that is meant to run in addon-modules
2015-06-25 22:42 <schaeffer> any examples of nonshared regions that would be good to look at?
2015-06-25 22:42 <Melanie_T> to see how to structure those
2015-06-25 22:43 <Melanie_T> https://github.com/MelanieT/opensim-modules/tree/master/simrot/Simrot
2015-06-25 22:43 <Melanie_T> this is a very simple module, it simply rotates a sim in 90 degree steps
2015-06-25 22:43 <Melanie_T> it demonstrates using addon-modules, console commands and the nonshared region module interface
2015-06-25 22:43 <Melanie_T> it also shows how to iterate and manipulate objects and terrain
2015-06-25 22:44 <schaeffer> very nice
2015-06-25 22:44 <schaeffer> now for C#/mono development - is monodevelop a decent tool for the job on linux?
2015-06-25 22:46 <Plugh> schaeffer: I've found it useful but since I updated my machine to Mint 17 I haven't been able to get MD to recognize the MySQL database connectors.
2015-06-25 22:46 <Plugh> Probably not an issue you will have.
2015-06-25 22:46 <schaeffer> Plugh: that's unfortunate
2015-06-25 22:46 <Plugh> yea. I'm dead in the water on a project. Can't compile the code because it doesn't know 'MySQL' in a using statement.
2015-06-25 22:46 <Melanie_T> i am no friend of IDEs
2015-06-25 22:47 <Melanie_T> i work on the command line using vi
2015-06-25 22:47 <Melanie_T> 'm very old school
2015-06-25 22:47 <Plugh> I used them years ago. I found MD has helped me dig around in the OpenSim code. WIthout that I would get lost in the code trying to find the original definition of something.
2015-06-25 22:47 <Plugh> Most other programming I do is done using vi and command line tools.
2015-06-25 22:48 <schaeffer> Melanie_T: i am too generally, but in this case i want to be able to poke around at the OS code (like Plugh said)
2015-06-25 22:48 <Plugh> yea, MD has been very good at helping with that. I have still done the code changes using vi when working on code changes for OS
2015-06-25 22:49 <Plugh> 
ACTION sometimes thinks it looks like he works for the department of redundancy department.  :D

2015-06-25 22:49 <Melanie_T> sure, you can use the editors and browsers to move around
2015-06-25 22:49 <Melanie_T> I tend not to need it but then i wrote a significant portion of opensim
2015-06-25 22:50 <Plugh> That helps a lot.
2015-06-25 22:50 <schaeffer> alright, so far MD isn't making me freak out which is nice
2015-06-25 22:50 <schaeffer> eclipse has given me a lot of wariness of IDEs in general
2015-06-25 22:50 <Plugh> I worked on, what was at the time a large project to me (only around 45,000) lines. When you have worked on it a while you tend to know where things are.
2015-06-25 22:50 <schaeffer> but with a relatively large codebase it might be nice.
2015-06-25 22:51 <Melanie_T> i use eclipse for java and lsl
2015-06-25 22:51 <Melanie_T> monodevelop for c# app development
2015-06-25 22:51 <Melanie_T> Qt Creator for Qt
2015-06-25 22:51 <Plugh> schaeffer: Last IDE I used before MD was the one with the Borland compiler and that was mostly in the text days before Windows.
2015-06-25 22:51 <Melanie_T> and the command line for everything else
2015-06-25 22:51 <Plugh> bbl. dinner time.
2015-06-25 22:51 <schaeffer> Plugh: how do i actually import references to OpenSim in MD?
2015-06-25 22:51 <schaeffer> oh, no rush then
2015-06-25 22:53 <velusuniversesys> hey you know the text file with the log of the service i.e robust.txt and opensim.txt is there a way of changing the path? maybe somewhere like a another server>?
2015-06-25 22:53 <Melanie_T> i would not recommend building with md
2015-06-25 22:53 <Melanie_T> use it for editing
2015-06-25 22:53 <Melanie_T> but build with prebuild/nant
2015-06-25 22:53 <Melanie_T> velusuniversesys: yes. you can set the log file path
2015-06-25 22:53 <velusuniversesys> how?
2015-06-25 22:54 <Melanie_T> it's a command line option
2015-06-25 22:54 <Melanie_T> since it has to be set before the ini file is parsed
2015-06-25 22:54 <velusuniversesys> ok how would you do that exactly
2015-06-25 22:57 <Melanie_T> i don't recall the option title
2015-06-25 22:57 <Melanie_T> --log-file or --logfile or somesuch
2015-06-25 22:57 <velusuniversesys> ok and how would it work on doing it on another server?
2015-06-25 22:58 <schaeffer> Melanie_T: building opensim or any modules at all?
2015-06-25 22:58 <Melanie_T> building anything
2015-06-25 22:58 <Melanie_T> anything opensim
2015-06-25 22:58 <Melanie_T> MD doesn't know how to run prebuild, or when
2015-06-25 22:59 <schaeffer> got it
2015-06-25 23:00 <littlefeatherQ> diva> i made no changes to gitnore
2015-06-25 23:08 <littlefeatherQ> finally the serverreleasnotes is working had to issue a 301 responce in the caps responce
2015-06-25 23:14 <schaeffer> Melanie_T: what is Prebuild.exe anyway?
2015-06-25 23:15 <Melanie_T> a tool that scans prebuild.xml and generates nant and xbuild files
2015-06-25 23:15 <Melanie_T> it's like opensim's make
2015-06-25 23:16 <schaeffer> gotcha. so to compile your module, does that mean i run opensim/bin/Prebuild.exe with your prebuild.xml?
2015-06-25 23:16 <Melanie_T> no
2015-06-25 23:16 <Melanie_T> you place the module tree like so:
2015-06-25 23:17 <Melanie_T> <opensim source dir>/addon-modules/Simrot/....
2015-06-25 23:17 <Melanie_T> so the prebuild.xml of the simrot module will be in that directory
2015-06-25 23:17 <Melanie_T> and the Modules/ directory below it
2015-06-25 23:18 <Melanie_T> then you run prebuild.exe in the main source tree and it will  pick up the include file in the package
2015-06-25 23:18 <Melanie_T> then use nant to build it
2015-06-25 23:18 <schaeffer> sounds easy enough
2015-06-25 23:18 <Melanie_T> you need nant 0.92 or better
2015-06-25 23:20 <schaeffer> does that mean that all of opensim gets rebuilt each time i change my module?
2015-06-25 23:31 <Melanie_T> no
2015-06-25 23:31 <Melanie_T> only canged dependencies
2015-06-25 23:32 <schaeffer> but i still do ./prebuild.sh && nant?
2015-06-25 23:32 <schaeffer> i got the SimRot module loaded and doxygen documentation generated too, so that's helpful
2015-06-25 23:36 <Melanie_T> you need to run prebuild when you edit prebuild.xml, when you add an addon module, or when you add any files to the tree, like a new c# file
2015-06-25 23:36 <Melanie_T> or remove any
2015-06-25 23:39 <schaeffer> and i just need to write prebuild.xml manually, right?
2015-06-25 23:39 <Melanie_T> yes but normally once you copy mine and make the obvious changes, you never need to touch it again
2015-06-25 23:40 <Melanie_T> as the spec *.cs will pick up all new files whenever prebuild is run
2015-06-25 23:40 <schaeffer> fair enough
2015-06-25 23:45 <misterblue> schaeffer... also look at the ExtendedPhysics.cs source file in OpenSim for an example of using C# attributes to define LSL scripting functions
2015-06-25 23:46 <schaeffer> misterblue: duly noted
2015-06-26 01:25 <schaeffer> Melanie_T: i tried adding a small logging line to your SimRot module and now it builds just fine in prebuild and nant but doesn't seem to be actually getting loaded
2015-06-26 01:25 <schaeffer> is there a reason why a module might not load?
2015-06-26 01:25 <Melanie_T> has the module binary been copied to bin?
2015-06-26 01:26 <Melanie_T> maybe your issue is not with your change
2015-06-26 01:26 <Melanie_T> but with something deeper down
2015-06-26 01:26 <schaeffer> i'm thinking it's something wonky that happened during build, but i have no evidence for that
2015-06-26 01:27 <Melanie_T> then you may need to clean and start again
2015-06-26 01:27 <schaeffer> just a feeling that if the dll is in bin/ but it's not being loaded then there's something that needs to be scrubbed out
2015-06-26 01:27 <Melanie_T> or read the build logs
2015-06-26 01:27 <schaeffer> build logs seemed to indicate the build was fine. what do i use to clean?
2015-06-26 01:27 <Melanie_T> you MAY need to visit the version headers and stuff in the simrot module
2015-06-26 01:27 <Melanie_T> it's not been update din ages
2015-06-26 01:27 <schaeffer> hmm, also a possibility
2015-06-26 01:27 <Melanie_T> specifically the extension point
2015-06-26 01:28 <Melanie_T> open a core module and look what it says copy that
2015-06-26 01:28 <Melanie_T> several months ago core made a change in how mono.addins are used
2015-06-26 01:28 <Melanie_T> one i don't agree with
2015-06-26 01:29 <Melanie_T> it introduces stricter version matching but now means that pretty much every extension module needs tobe compiled for the exact opensim version to even load
2015-06-26 01:29 <Melanie_T> i don't agree with that policy
2015-06-26 01:29 <Melanie_T> i believe any module with a matching ABI should load
2015-06-26 01:29 <Melanie_T> and modules with mismatching ABI should bomb
2015-06-26 01:30 <Melanie_T> but i find myself alone in that opinion
2015-06-26 01:30 <Melanie_T> everyone else believed it is more user-friendly to only load modules made for that _soecific_ opensim version even if older ones may fit
2015-06-26 01:30 <Melanie_T> so i guess that may be your problem
2015-06-26 01:30 <schaeffer> that's a possibility
2015-06-26 01:33 <schaeffer> it did load the first time i tried it, though
2015-06-26 01:34 <schaeffer> so i'm wondering if there's something clean isn't catching that i just need to scrub out
2015-06-26 01:35 <Melanie_T> then what happened is that your edit is faulty
2015-06-26 01:35 <Melanie_T> it didn't build and therefore wasn't copied
2015-06-26 01:35 <Melanie_T> you need to filter for errors
2015-06-26 01:35 <Melanie_T> using 
2015-06-26 01:35 <Melanie_T> nant | grep error
2015-06-26 01:36 <schaeffer> oh, here we go:
2015-06-26 01:36 <schaeffer> WARNING: The add-in 'Simrot.Module,1.0' is trying to extend '/OpenSim/RegionModules', but there isn't any add-in defining this extension point
2015-06-26 01:36 <Melanie_T> so get the current header info
2015-06-26 01:36 <Melanie_T> and copy it
2015-06-26 01:36 <Melanie_T> in place of what i have
2015-06-26 02:59 <osmantis> Bug #7625:04 Added ServerReleasNotes CAPS handler. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7625 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-26 02:59 <osmantis> Bug #7625:04 Added ServerReleasNotes CAPS handler. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7625 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-06-26 05:01 <dahlia> Melanie_T: thanks. If you bless the current patch there I'll apply and push it, unless you want to do the honors.
2015-06-26 05:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #4242 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-26 05:03 <osmantis> Bug #7612:04 [BULLETSIM] Tidy Compiler Warnings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7612 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-26 05:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4242: SUCCESS in 4 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4242/
2015-06-26 05:08 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: fix two compiler warnings.
2015-06-26 06:21 <osmantis> Bug #7612:04 [BULLETSIM] Tidy Compiler Warnings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7612 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-26 10:18 <osmantis> Bug #7626:04 AutoBackupScript is not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7626 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-26 10:20 <osmantis> Bug #7627:04 KeepFilesForDays is not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7627 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-26 10:26 <osmantis> Bug #7627:04 KeepFilesForDays is not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7627 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-26 11:11 <osmantis> Bug #7627:04 KeepFilesForDays is not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7627 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-26 14:45 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-26 14:58 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-26 15:04 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-26 17:09 <osmantis> Bug #7456:04 Group note generating exception - Note not sent [GROUPS HANDLER] - ROBUST 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7456 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-06-26 17:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #4243 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-26 17:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4243: SUCCESS in 9 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4243/
2015-06-26 17:50 <osjenkins> melanie: Applying Gavin Hird's patch to correct PGSQL group notices. Thatk you,
2015-06-26 19:38 <dahlia> Melanie_T: thanks :)
2015-06-26 22:03 <osmantis> Bug #7625:04 Added ServerReleasNotes CAPS handler. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7625 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2015-06-26 22:18 <osmantis> Bug #7625:04 Added ServerReleasNotes CAPS handler. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7625 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-06-26 23:03 <osmantis> Bug #7624:04 Added support to use <USERNAME> in Welcome Message along with MessageUrl to enable web script messages. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7624 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-06-26 23:29 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-26 23:36 <osmantis> Bug #7625:04 Added ServerReleasNotes CAPS handler. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7625 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-27 00:55 <osmantis> Bug #7625:04 Added ServerReleasNotes CAPS handler. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7625 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-27 01:03 <osmantis> Bug #7625:04 Added ServerReleasNotes CAPS handler. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7625 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-27 01:17 <osmantis> Bug #7625:04 Added ServerReleasNotes CAPS handler. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7625 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-27 02:30 <osmantis> Bug #7625:04 Added ServerReleasNotes CAPS handler. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7625 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-27 13:05 <osmantis> Bug #7606:04 Group handler exception - PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7606 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-27 13:05 <osmantis> Bug #7606:04 Group handler exception - PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7606 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-06-27 18:15 <osmantis> Bug #7606:04 Group handler exception - PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7606 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-27 18:16 <osmantis> Bug #7606:04 Group handler exception - PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7606 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-27 19:17 <osmantis> Bug #6755:04 Failing teleports and avatar returned to original source region without attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6755 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-27 19:53 <dahlia> nebadon: you got your interwebz back?
2015-06-27 19:54 <nebadon> yes seems to be back and normalized
2015-06-27 19:54 <nebadon> yesterday was very spotty up and down
2015-06-27 19:54 <nebadon> id say around like 6pm yesterday it finally normalized
2015-06-27 19:56 <dahlia> I went about 3 days once, was horrible lol
2015-06-27 19:56 <dahlia> cold turkey and no methadone
2015-06-27 19:57 <nebadon> yea it was almost full 3 days
2015-06-27 20:02 <Plugh> 3 days without the net? How did you manage?  ;)
2015-06-27 20:05 <nebadon> well I was able to do basic stuff by tethering laptop to phone, I only get 3gb a month at the moment though
2015-06-27 20:05 <nebadon> so i had to limit what i do :)
2015-06-27 20:05 <dahlia> Ive never used 3gb
2015-06-27 20:05 <dahlia> seldom more than a few hundred mb
2015-06-27 20:05 <nebadon> yea same here 
2015-06-27 20:06 <nebadon> i used about 1.7gb though in those 3 days
2015-06-27 20:07 <dahlia> my problem is I listen to radio stations in other cities over the net
2015-06-27 20:07 <dahlia> thats probably my biggest bandwidth use
2015-06-27 20:08 <Plugh> I take it you are talking about that much only by phone. 
2015-06-27 20:08 <dahlia> tether
2015-06-27 20:14 <nebadon> tmobile has some nice options
2015-06-27 20:15 <nebadon> just got a few free upgrades
2015-06-27 20:15 <nebadon> I can stream music for free from like 25 different music services
2015-06-27 20:15 <nebadon> free meaning it doesnt use by banwdith
2015-06-27 20:16 <dahlia> "free" 
2015-06-27 20:16 <nebadon> and now I can carry over my bandwidth too
2015-06-27 20:16 <nebadon> they have a thing called Data Stash, you start off with 10gb
2015-06-27 20:16 <nebadon> you can go over your 3gb monthly etc..
2015-06-27 20:16 <nebadon> once you have depleted your data stash your monthly data limits roll over and refill the data stash
2015-06-27 20:17 <dahlia> I use ancient cheapie android phone, foxfi, and straighttalk
2015-06-27 23:19 <schaeffer> hello everyone (again)
2015-06-27 23:20 <schaeffer> i got a module put together in C# that works (does everything i want it to) but only on the first run. after i restart opensim it doesn't load, nor do any other third-party modules i've tried to add to opensim
2015-06-27 23:22 <schaeffer> all modules are usable again once i add them to bin/ again using nant, but they still only work for the first run of opensim once they're installed
2015-06-27 23:23 <schaeffer> any thoughts on what might be going on?
2015-06-28 04:05 <nebadon> man I can not win.  Power was out for about 3.5 hours, just came back on
2015-06-28 14:18 <Wanderer_42> Be aware to download from SourceForge. "Online source code repository SourceForge has apparently started taking over inactive accounts for popular software, and adding bundle-ware installers to the software packages." 
2015-06-28 14:18 <Wanderer_42> http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=18460
2015-06-28 18:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #4244 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-06-28 18:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4244: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4244/
2015-06-28 18:28 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: Add Gavin Hird to Contributors List, thanks for the patches!
2015-06-28 19:57 <osmantis> Bug #7625:04 Added ServerReleasNotes CAPS handler. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7625 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-28 19:57 <osmantis> Bug #7625:04 Added ServerReleasNotes CAPS handler. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7625 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-06-28 20:51 <Plugh> What are the _ap_# records in Avatars database table?
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2015-06-28 23:19 <smxy> Plugh: Attachment points, I believe.
2015-06-29 01:21 <littlefeatherQ> I am looking for help with figuring out what this error means and how to fix it error log : http://pastebin.com/P1g09T95      module code http://pastebin.com/SjtTfiZ3
2015-06-29 05:06 <dahlia> littlefeatherQ: it looks like you are trying to parse a number from a string inside your http request handler, but the string is null
2015-06-29 05:08 <dahlia> you may want to check that the http request is formatted the way you expect before parsing it, and wrap the parsing in an exception handler
2015-06-29 05:42 <littlefeatherQ> dahlia any way to find out what data the viewer is trying to send so i can format it correctly?
2015-06-29 05:43 <littlefeatherQ> sorry but im just learning programming lol
2015-06-29 07:09 <osmantis> Bug #7606:04 Group handler exception - PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7606 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-29 07:59 <osmantis> Bug #7606:04 Group handler exception - PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7606 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-29 08:24 <dahlia> littlefeatherQ: you could use the logger to print it to the console. It's usually something like m_log.LogInfo("[MyModule]: stuff");
2015-06-29 08:38 <osmantis> Bug #7627:04 KeepFilesForDays is not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7627 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-06-29 12:21 <osmantis> Bug #7628:04 [FORMS]: Error sending request to /hg-groups: Access to the path "/hg-groups" is denied.. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7628 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-29 12:33 <osmantis> Bug #7628:04 [FORMS]: Error sending request to /hg-groups: Access to the path "/hg-groups" is denied.. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7628 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-29 13:09 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-06-29 14:37 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2015-06-29 19:52 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-29 21:13 <Plugh> This is weird. I have objects set to pay object on left click but the icon I get is for playing media and it isn't popping up the payment dialog box.
2015-06-29 22:12 <Melanie_T> i believe media supersedes the legacy "touch" setting
2015-06-29 22:12 <Melanie_T> so you can't have a pay-on-click object that uses media
2015-06-29 22:20 <schaeffer> Melanie_T: i managed to get all the module stuff straight and it actually works without bugs - thanks for your help there!
2015-06-29 22:21 <schaeffer> if i wanted to actually dive into the codebase itself, where would you recommend starting? or how?
2015-06-29 22:21 <Melanie_T> schaeffer: good to hear
2015-06-29 22:21 <Melanie_T> it's actually preferred to write modules instead of adding to the base code
2015-06-29 22:22 <Melanie_T> most things can be done in modules and in fact most functionality is in modules already
2015-06-29 22:22 <Melanie_T> so seeing how modules work is the most important part
2015-06-29 22:22 <schaeffer> right, i saw that - i meant more regarding things like bugfixes/just seeing how things work
2015-06-29 22:22 <Melanie_T> occasionally, a needed functionality cannot be added without adding some hook or function in core code
2015-06-29 22:23 <Melanie_T> of course in those cases, that has to be done but you will see many modules that could be written in a more convenient fashion if more core functions were added, but make do with the ones already there in order to not bloat core code more
2015-06-29 22:24 <Melanie_T> nowadays, most bugs you're likeky to find will be in modules
2015-06-29 22:24 <schaeffer> i'm less interested in shoveling new features into core and more in making sense of how the core code works/helping out where i can
2015-06-29 22:24 <Melanie_T> opensim is actually very small
2015-06-29 22:24 <schaeffer> huh, interesting
2015-06-29 22:24 <Melanie_T> when you take away the modules
2015-06-29 22:24 <schaeffer> i was looking at the minutes from some of the previous dev meetings and it seemed to give the impression it's some terrifying monolith
2015-06-29 22:24 <Melanie_T> the opensim server and region loader is tiny
2015-06-29 22:25 <Melanie_T> the monolith is scene
2015-06-29 22:25 <schaeffer> i see
2015-06-29 22:25 <Melanie_T> Scene / SceneObjectPart are the worst offenders on the bloat list
2015-06-29 22:25 <Melanie_T> physics, while not bloated, is convoluted
2015-06-29 22:25 <Melanie_T> oh yes
2015-06-29 22:26 <Melanie_T> the LLCLient
2015-06-29 22:26 <Melanie_T> the linden labs protocol server stack
2015-06-29 22:26 <schaeffer> is stuff still relatively tied to SL compatibility or something?
2015-06-29 22:26 <Melanie_T> it's massively bloated, a huge interface and equally huge implementation file
2015-06-29 22:26 <Melanie_T> it's what the viewer talks to
2015-06-29 22:26 <Melanie_T> it does the UDP and many of the most basic caps
2015-06-29 22:26 <schaeffer> not that i know much about that - i sort of poked at opensim initially because i like the idea of being able to make code and see the results of it in a virtual world
2015-06-29 22:27 <schaeffer> e.g. running external applications that i can then use OS to render in a visually helpful way
2015-06-29 22:27 <schaeffer> LLClient sounds unpleasant
2015-06-29 22:27 <Melanie_T> it is. massively so
2015-06-29 22:28 <Melanie_T> it's been reworked several times durng my tenure in core
2015-06-29 22:28 <Melanie_T> it used to be a huge switch/case statement
2015-06-29 22:28 <Melanie_T> then it was reworked into an async bunch of methods
2015-06-29 22:28 <Melanie_T> and then many had to be made sync again
2015-06-29 22:28 <schaeffer> yikes
2015-06-29 22:29 <schaeffer> so is the viewer/client code where most of the pain is now then?
2015-06-29 22:30 <Melanie_T> well, as UDP has become more and more deprecated and many fucntions moved to CAPS, an architecture was created that allows caps to reside in modules
2015-06-29 22:30 <Melanie_T> now, it is clear that that is a two-edged sword
2015-06-29 22:31 <Melanie_T> in one way, it cuts through having to put and plumb more and more functions into LLClient
2015-06-29 22:31 <Melanie_T> the other way it cuts multi-protocol ability
2015-06-29 22:31 <schaeffer> huh
2015-06-29 22:31 <Melanie_T> because when region modules provide linden client specific caps, they won't work with viewers using another protocol
2015-06-29 22:32 <Melanie_T> however, the idea of replacing the LL protocol with something else appears abandoned
2015-06-29 22:34 <schaeffer> what exactly is CAPS?
2015-06-29 22:35 <schaeffer> some kind of linden labs thing?
2015-06-29 22:44 <Melanie_T> no
2015-06-29 22:45 <Melanie_T> the capabilities concept is based on the "password" being a URL
2015-06-29 22:45 <Melanie_T> so basically a URL is created to accept a specific message from a specific client
2015-06-29 22:45 <Melanie_T> and simply knowing the URL constitutes right of access
2015-06-29 22:45 <Melanie_T> these urls are ephemeral
2015-06-29 22:48 <schaeffer> got it
2015-06-29 22:48 <Melanie_T> the login server obtaains a "seed" cap from the sim the user is sent to
2015-06-29 22:48 <Melanie_T> the viewer accesses the seed cap to get all other caps
2015-06-29 22:48 <Melanie_T> not every sim must provide every cap
2015-06-29 22:49 <Melanie_T> a sim without a voice module loaded may not provide voice caps
2015-06-29 22:49 <Melanie_T> a sim without media on a prim would not have media caps
2015-06-29 22:49 <Melanie_T> so the seed cap response allows the viewer to adjust it's UI to the capabilities of the sim
2015-06-29 22:50 <Melanie_T> additional info can be obtained by invoking some caps, like sim options
2015-06-29 22:50 <Melanie_T> when you cross or teleport the sim you're departing gets a new seed from the sim you're going to
2015-06-29 22:51 <Melanie_T> and gives it to you so you can contact the new sim
2015-06-29 22:51 <Melanie_T> obviously, when crossing you already have them because you have an open child agent connection
2015-06-29 22:51 <Melanie_T> while sims talk amongst each other, mot of the talking is done to the cleint
2015-06-29 23:08 <techplex> Melanie_T do sims talk to each other via caps?
2015-06-29 23:08 <Melanie_T> no
2015-06-29 23:11 <schaeffer> Melanie_T: seems like a thorough enough rundown
2015-06-29 23:11 <schaeffer> doubt i'll be doing anything with that in the near future but it's still useful
2015-06-29 23:12 <techplex> Is this room logged anywhere? I missed the beginning of Melanie's explanation?
2015-06-29 23:14 <schaeffer> techplex: you didn't actually
2015-06-29 23:14 <techplex> Okay then schaeffer, did I just miss the question?
2015-06-29 23:14 <Plugh> Melanie_T: My object is a vendor. It has nothing to do with media.
2015-06-29 23:15 <schaeffer> techplex: yep, it was just me asking what CAPS is
2015-06-29 23:15 <techplex> oh cool.
2015-06-29 23:15 <Melanie_T> Plugh: it may still have media settings in there
2015-06-29 23:15 <Melanie_T> even though it's not using them
2015-06-29 23:15 <Melanie_T> try activating media
2015-06-29 23:15 <Melanie_T> and expressly deactivating it
2015-06-29 23:15 <Melanie_T> clearing all the fields
2015-06-29 23:16 <Melanie_T> techplex: I've been helping schaeffer to ge started on opensim coding
2015-06-29 23:16 <Melanie_T> he's managed to make his first own regio module
2015-06-29 23:16 <techplex> Thats awesome!
2015-06-29 23:16 <techplex> Well done schaeffer
2015-06-29 23:17 <Plugh> Melanie_T: It used to show the buy icons when pointed at and clicked. How could it have wound up with media settings?
2015-06-29 23:17 <Melanie_T> i don't know
2015-06-29 23:17 <schaeffer> it was actually really easy (command parser to let me create/destroy blocks in-world) but i'd say the ease of development is a credit more to the opensim devs than myself
2015-06-29 23:17 <Melanie_T> but the viewer will only do what the sim sends
2015-06-29 23:18 <Melanie_T> schaeffer: that interface has evolved to what it is through three major revisions
2015-06-29 23:18 <Melanie_T> many hands ware involved
2015-06-29 23:18 <techplex> Melanie_T is it alright if use your explanation to make a wikipage on the opensim wiki?
2015-06-29 23:18 <Melanie_T> sure
2015-06-29 23:18 <Melanie_T> go ahead but check the facts
2015-06-29 23:19 <schaeffer> it certainly looks pretty thoroughly done
2015-06-29 23:19 <Melanie_T> i may not know all ;P
2015-06-29 23:19 <schaeffer> i'm sort of curious though - what are some of the use cases/proposed features going forward with opensim?
2015-06-29 23:20 <schaeffer> a lot of people are into the whole idea of virtual worlds where you can run around and sculpt things but i've also seen some pretty out there ideas
2015-06-29 23:20 <schaeffer> like a traffic simulator rendered with prims in-world, for example
2015-06-29 23:21 <Melanie_T> apart from the social grid stuff i use it on a regular basis to design anything RL
2015-06-29 23:21 <Melanie_T> from "primming up" things I qould later mesh for 3d printing
2015-06-29 23:21 <schaeffer> interesting
2015-06-29 23:21 <Melanie_T> to moving my furniture around and look before i actually lay hand on rl furniture
2015-06-29 23:21 <Melanie_T> see if that table will fit there
2015-06-29 23:22 <Melanie_T> i used it to explain sine and cosine and their relation to circles to my children by using moving prims
2015-06-29 23:22 <Melanie_T> diva does the traffic stuff, albeit on a much more professional level
2015-06-29 23:23 <schaeffer> all cool things
2015-06-29 23:24 <techplex> How about a WebGL viewer?
2015-06-29 23:24 <Melanie_T> webgl isn't ready
2015-06-29 23:24 <Melanie_T> i've gotten it from someone who knows
2015-06-29 23:25 <Melanie_T> webgl doesn't have sufficient performance for even just simple rendering of opensim scenes
2015-06-29 23:25 <Melanie_T> much less full featured viewers with media, etc
2015-06-29 23:25 <techplex> Interesting, PixieViewer is pretty impressive
2015-06-29 23:27 <techplex> and Teravus' demo was awesome too https://youtu.be/EW3ae-tmEWg
2015-06-29 23:27 <techplex> CloudParty was impressive too
2015-06-29 23:28 <Melanie_T> demos are just that
2015-06-29 23:28 <Melanie_T> demos
2015-06-29 23:28 <Melanie_T> and cloud party was much simpler than opensim and much more limited in scene complexity, object density and avatar counts
2015-06-29 23:30 <techplex> So are you saying that the development of a WebGL viewer would be pointless because it chant have all of the features of an SL based viewer?
2015-06-29 23:30 <Melanie_T> no
2015-06-29 23:31 <Melanie_T> i'm saying that developing a webgl viewer _now_ would be pointless because the meeded, and coming, changes to webgl will make it obsolete and current webgl cannot render an opensiim/sl scene in the quelity a fat viewer does
2015-06-29 23:32 <techplex> So you are saying for WebGL to improve the API will have to change? 
2015-06-29 23:32 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-06-29 23:33 <Melanie_T> i don't actually know this from my own experience
2015-06-29 23:33 <Melanie_T> but i have spoken about it to dahlia, who is a core developer and actually very used to working with all sorts of rendering and webgl
2015-06-29 23:34 <Melanie_T> dahlia is an expert in the field so i believe this
2015-06-29 23:34 <Melanie_T> there is a reason why SL went to streaming solutions
2015-06-29 23:34 <Melanie_T> but then, those don't scale
2015-06-29 23:35 <Melanie_T> if you need one high end piece of kit for every user online, the cost becomes unsustainable
2015-06-29 23:36 <techplex> For sure. Streaming is hard to scale. Companies are doing it though, even as a service http://fra.me for one. And its really impressive.
2015-06-29 23:36 <techplex> I would argue that WebGL's api is based on the OpenGL ES API which has been shown to be able to render complex scenes. Furthermore I would bet that the ability to increase WebGL's rendering capability would be driven by applications which demand more capability and require few changes to the high level API.
2015-06-29 23:37 <Melanie_T> catch dahlia and ask
2015-06-29 23:37 <Melanie_T> i don't know the details
2015-06-29 23:38 <Melanie_T> but i would be happy if there were at least an almost functioniong opensource webgl viewer
2015-06-29 23:38 <Melanie_T> but it seems that some company always manages to buy every project and make it closed source
2015-06-29 23:39 <Melanie_T> so every viewer project i have seen started has been sucked up by closedsourceness
2015-06-29 23:40 <Melanie_T> additionlly, the overhead of websockets is immense
2015-06-29 23:40 <Melanie_T> javascript needs to grow a direct tcp / direct udp way of communicating, not just funky http
2015-06-29 23:41 <Melanie_T> you just simply cannot shoehorn everything into http
2015-06-29 23:44 <techplex> Do you think that having a separate websockets service that could be scaled out would work?
2015-06-29 23:44 <Melanie_T> the issue with websockets is that it is tcp
2015-06-29 23:45 <Melanie_T> there are two major issues
2015-06-29 23:45 <Melanie_T> tcp via websockets is saddled with massive overhead as each "packet" has a full blown http protocol exchange and header
2015-06-29 23:46 <Melanie_T> udp via websockets is actually embedded into tcp, so is no longer lossy
2015-06-29 23:46 <Melanie_T> unlke tcp, udp is lossy and for games that is an essential property
2015-06-29 23:46 <Melanie_T> because if too many updates are sent by the server, instead of lagging the user, updates are lost
2015-06-29 23:46 <Melanie_T> later updates include all prior ones
2015-06-29 23:46 <Melanie_T> so it rights itself
2015-06-29 23:47 <Melanie_T> websockets, trying to carry all this lossy object update data, _woud_ choke
2015-06-29 23:47 <Melanie_T> because it can't discard anythig
2015-06-29 23:47 <Melanie_T> being tcp
2015-06-29 23:51 <techplex> makes sense
2015-06-29 23:51 <techplex> We'll just set a lower update rate and live with the concequences
2015-06-29 23:52 <Melanie_T> it could be worked around
2015-06-29 23:52 <Melanie_T> by the client sending time dilation info
2015-06-29 23:52 <Melanie_T> and the server then doing the discarding
2015-06-29 23:52 <Melanie_T> but still for the type of data opensim sends, websockets have 30+% overhead
2015-06-29 23:52 <Melanie_T> estimated
2015-06-29 23:53 <techplex> wow, thats nuts
2015-06-30 00:23 <techplex> Is there documentation or a list of opensim's public HTTP endpoints?
2015-06-30 00:48 <Melanie_T> i'm not aware of a complete one
2015-06-30 00:54 <techplex> Whats the difference between a shared and a regular region module?
2015-06-30 00:55 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-30 01:00 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-30 01:51 <schaeffer> techplex: i'll let Melanie_T step in here if i'm wrong, but the basic idea is that a non-shared region module has a new module created for each region, whereas a shared region module has one copy that all regions in a sim are aware of
2015-06-30 01:51 <Melanie_T> correct
2015-06-30 01:51 <schaeffer> ding
2015-06-30 01:51 <Melanie_T> that means a shared module needs to track all the regions added
2015-06-30 01:51 <Melanie_T> and separate their data
2015-06-30 01:52 <Melanie_T> here's the lifecycle:
2015-06-30 01:53 <Melanie_T> Shared: Initialise, [Addregion] …, PostInitialise, [AddRegion -> RegionLoaded | RemoveRegion] …, Close
2015-06-30 01:53 <Melanie_T> nonshared: Initialise, AddRegion, RegionLoaded, RemoveRegion, Close
2015-06-30 01:54 <Melanie_T> so a shared region will get between zero and n calls to AddRegion, each follwed by a matching RegionLoaded
2015-06-30 01:54 <Melanie_T> then a PostInitialise
2015-06-30 01:54 <Melanie_T> after that, an arbitrary number of AddRegion, RegionLoaded and RemoveRegion requests
2015-06-30 01:54 <Melanie_T> and finally a Close
2015-06-30 01:55 <Melanie_T> it is defined that all regions having been added WithAddRegion MUST be removed with a RemoveRegion before adding them again
2015-06-30 01:55 <Melanie_T> and that all regions MUST be removed when Close is called
2015-06-30 01:55 <Melanie_T> it is defined that a region that is added MAY also call RegionLoaded
2015-06-30 01:56 <Melanie_T> but that may not happen if the region is unloaded before reaching that point, or fails to load
2015-06-30 01:56 <Melanie_T> however, RemoveRegion MUST be called in each of these cases regardless
2015-06-30 01:56 <Melanie_T> a nonshared mosule
2015-06-30 01:57 <Melanie_T> will receive the calls in a preterdermined order, Initialise, AddRegion, RegionLoaded, RemoveRegion, Close
2015-06-30 01:57 <Melanie_T> if the region fails to load, RegionLoaded MAY not be called but all other calls MUST happen in that order
2015-06-30 01:57 <Melanie_T> MAY and MUST have the same meaning as in internet RFCs
2015-06-30 01:58 <Melanie_T> the programmer should not depend on a call to Close actally happening as any osrid operators kill -9 their regions in order to not deregister their grid space
2015-06-30 01:58 <Melanie_T> so anything that needs persisting should be persisted synchronously or on a timer
2015-06-30 01:58 <Melanie_T> rather than at Close time
2015-06-30 01:59 <techplex> In the case of a shared module, why is the call to Addregion optional?
2015-06-30 02:00 <Melanie_T> becuse a simulator can start with no regions
2015-06-30 02:00 <Melanie_T> and then have one added vie remoteadmin
2015-06-30 02:00 <Melanie_T> which results in the call order being
2015-06-30 02:00 <Melanie_T> Initialise, PostInitialise, AddRegion, [RegionLoaded], RemoveRegion, Close
2015-06-30 02:00 <Melanie_T> for the one region per sim case
2015-06-30 02:01 <Melanie_T> if no AddRegion calls hapen between Initialise and PostInitialise, the sim was started without a regions.ini file
2015-06-30 02:01 <Melanie_T> but regions can be loaded later
2015-06-30 02:01 <Melanie_T> there are some region modules that cn't deal with this 
2015-06-30 02:02 <Melanie_T> so enabling some of the included region modules may break regionless sims
2015-06-30 02:02 <techplex> Okay, so if the simulator definitely has one region, and one restarts opensim, shutdown command then mono Opensim.exe (in standalone mode) why isn't AddRegion called?
2015-06-30 02:02 <Melanie_T> fixing those is an ongoing tak
2015-06-30 02:02 <Melanie_T> task
2015-06-30 02:02 <Melanie_T> in that case it is called
2015-06-30 02:02 <Melanie_T> the call being optional is relative to the region module lifecycle
2015-06-30 02:03 <Melanie_T> discounting any known conditions
2015-06-30 02:03 <Melanie_T> merely illustrating that there MAY not b a call to AddRegion between Initialise and PostInitialise
2015-06-30 02:03 <Melanie_T> since it's part of the contract
2015-06-30 02:03 <Melanie_T> that is doesn't have to be so
2015-06-30 02:04 <Melanie_T> the common mistake is to have m_Scenes
2015-06-30 02:04 <Melanie_T> to m_Scenes.Add(id) in AddReion
2015-06-30 02:04 <Melanie_T> and then to access m_Scenes[0] in PostInitialise
2015-06-30 02:05 <Melanie_T> where m_Scenes.Count may be == 0
2015-06-30 02:05 <Melanie_T> this mistake is common in core modules code
2015-06-30 02:05 <Melanie_T> because it used to be that regionless simulators were not possible
2015-06-30 02:05 <Melanie_T> that changed in the latest revision of the interface
2015-06-30 02:06 <Melanie_T> so some modules less used by the adventurous may need fixing
2015-06-30 02:06 <techplex> Would you explain the relation between modules, plugins, connectors and services?
2015-06-30 02:07 <Melanie_T> sure
2015-06-30 02:07 <Melanie_T> a service is a piece of code that exposes an interface and performs a function
2015-06-30 02:07 <Melanie_T> a connector connects to a service and allows a client to use it's services
2015-06-30 02:07 <Melanie_T> connectors can be either local or remote
2015-06-30 02:08 <Melanie_T> a handler is the target a connector connects to
2015-06-30 02:08 <Melanie_T> so
2015-06-30 02:08 <Melanie_T> client -> connector -> handler -> service
2015-06-30 02:08 <Melanie_T> between connector and handler is a tcp connection
2015-06-30 02:08 <Melanie_T> UT
2015-06-30 02:08 <Melanie_T> you can do
2015-06-30 02:08 <Melanie_T> client -> service
2015-06-30 02:09 <Melanie_T> it's what stadalone doe
2015-06-30 02:09 <Melanie_T> s
2015-06-30 02:09 <Melanie_T> that is possible because the standard mandated that connector and service MUST implement the same interface
2015-06-30 02:09 <Melanie_T> you can also do
2015-06-30 02:09 <Melanie_T> client -> connector -> handler -> connector -> handler -> service
2015-06-30 02:10 <Melanie_T> the middle portion, handler -> connector, is a proxy
2015-06-30 02:10 <Melanie_T> by defining a handler in a robust shell and givng it a remote connector as target, rather than a service, you create a proxy
2015-06-30 02:10 <Melanie_T> specific proxy connectors could be written but opensim has none
2015-06-30 02:11 <Melanie_T> avination does
2015-06-30 02:11 <Melanie_T> it's called a "line cache"
2015-06-30 02:11 <Melanie_T> it goes
2015-06-30 02:11 <Melanie_T> assethandler -> flotsam cache -> assetconnector
2015-06-30 02:11 <Melanie_T> that creates a caching asset proxy
2015-06-30 02:12 <Melanie_T> core code can be configured that way
2015-06-30 02:12 <Melanie_T> it's not our proprietary code at all
2015-06-30 02:12 <Melanie_T> just a configuration option no opensim i know of uses
2015-06-30 02:12 <osmantis> Bug #7629:04 Saving parcel settings with high bit set in LandFlags corrupts all other bits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7629 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-06-30 02:12 <Melanie_T> a plugin is a piece of code that is loaded by the opensim server
2015-06-30 02:13 <Melanie_T> RemoteAdmin is a plugin
2015-06-30 02:13 <Melanie_T> Application Plugin, that is
2015-06-30 02:13 <Melanie_T> any externally loaded regino module is also  Plugin
2015-06-30 02:13 <Melanie_T> Mono.Addins controls all that
2015-06-30 02:13 <techplex> Externally loaded = from a DLL
2015-06-30 02:13 <Melanie_T> the term plugin is used in other contexts
2015-06-30 02:13 <Melanie_T> like land brushes
2015-06-30 02:13 <Melanie_T> but that is specific to the module
2015-06-30 02:14 <Melanie_T> not general opensim terminology
2015-06-30 02:14 <Melanie_T> techplex: yes
2015-06-30 02:14 <Melanie_T> the difference is which interface a plugin exports
2015-06-30 02:14 <Melanie_T> plugin is also used for the drivers under OpenSim.Data
2015-06-30 02:15 <Melanie_T> the database drivers are sometimes mistermed "plugins"
2015-06-30 02:15 <Melanie_T> that isn't proper usage
2015-06-30 02:15 <Melanie_T> sould not call them that
2015-06-30 02:17 <osmantis> Bug #7629:04 Saving parcel settings with high bit set in LandFlags corrupts all other bits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7629 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-30 02:17 <techplex> I forgot to ask about Addons seems like just groups and offlineIM, why are the not modules
2015-06-30 02:24 <osmantis> Bug #7629:04 Saving parcel settings with high bit set in LandFlags corrupts all other bits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7629 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-30 02:24 <Melanie_T> they are modules
2015-06-30 02:24 <Melanie_T> Everything Is A Module 
2015-06-30 02:24 <Melanie_T> :)
2015-06-30 02:25 <Melanie_T> Addons is the means to load both plugins and modules
2015-06-30 02:27 <techplex> okay, so lets say I just want a simulator. Is there a rule of thumb to figure out what code is Simulator code and what code is ROBUST code?
2015-06-30 02:33 <Melanie_T> ROBUST is a minimal shell that runs handlers
2015-06-30 02:33 <osmantis> Bug #7629:04 Saving parcel settings with high bit set in LandFlags corrupts all other bits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7629 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-30 02:33 <Melanie_T> those then run connectors, shims or services
2015-06-30 02:33 <Melanie_T> a sim can also run those
2015-06-30 02:33 <Melanie_T> well, minus the handlers
2015-06-30 02:34 <Melanie_T> so if you run standalone, you run no ROBUST code at all
2015-06-30 02:36 <techplex> Okay that makes sense
2015-06-30 02:36 <techplex> In this picture you showed earlier: client -> connector -TCP-> handler -> service
2015-06-30 02:36 <osmantis> Bug #7629:04 Saving parcel settings with high bit set in LandFlags corrupts all other bits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7629 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-30 02:36 <techplex> the connection between the client and the connector is through the internet, from Viewer to Server?
2015-06-30 02:37 <Melanie_T> no, from simulator to service
2015-06-30 02:37 <Melanie_T> for a grid config using robust
2015-06-30 02:37 <Melanie_T> standalones use client -> service
2015-06-30 02:37 <Melanie_T> the viewer isn't part of this topic, it never was
2015-06-30 02:38 <techplex> Okay, I guess I'm trying to figure out what the client is
2015-06-30 02:38 <techplex> I see things called, connectors, and ones called handlers, and ones called services but no clients
2015-06-30 02:38 <Melanie_T> the "client" is opensim core code or a module
2015-06-30 02:39 <Melanie_T> anything that uses a provider of a specific interface is termed a client
2015-06-30 02:39 <Melanie_T> but they're not called that in code
2015-06-30 02:39 <Melanie_T> most are called module
2015-06-30 02:40 <Melanie_T> Scene is a client of GridUserService, using the appropriate connector
2015-06-30 02:40 <Melanie_T> etc.
2015-06-30 02:47 <techplex> So in theory I could turn off/remove all of the modules related to LL and have a barebones server, form which one could implement websockets
2015-06-30 02:50 <Melanie_T> no
2015-06-30 02:50 <Melanie_T> a number of vital modules implement caos directly
2015-06-30 02:50 <Melanie_T> caps
2015-06-30 02:50 <Melanie_T> so they're linden specific no matter what
2015-06-30 02:50 <Melanie_T> also, you don't need to remove or turn off anything
2015-06-30 02:51 <Melanie_T> opensim is designed to support several parallel client stacks
2015-06-30 02:51 <osmantis> Bug #7629:04 Saving parcel settings with high bit set in LandFlags corrupts all other bits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7629 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-30 02:51 <Melanie_T> you can implement IClientAPI as a websocket api
2015-06-30 02:51 <Melanie_T> and work from there
2015-06-30 02:55 <osmantis> Bug #7629:04 Saving parcel settings with high bit set in LandFlags corrupts all other bits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7629 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-30 02:56 <osmantis> Bug #7629:04 Saving parcel settings with high bit set in LandFlags corrupts all other bits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7629 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-30 02:58 <osmantis> Bug #7629:04 Saving parcel settings with high bit set in LandFlags corrupts all other bits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7629 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-30 03:03 <techplex> Thank you Mealanie_T, have a good day/night.
2015-06-30 03:13 <osmantis> Bug #7629:04 Saving parcel settings with high bit set in LandFlags corrupts all other bits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7629 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-30 06:30 <littlefeatherQ> Melanie_T do you know of a good example of how to take texture data that is uploaded thru caps and add it to the assets table?
2015-06-30 10:31 <JunkHunk> hello opensim developers... I am having an error in my diva installation: http://pastebin.com/WMa7rGVU
2015-06-30 10:32 <JunkHunk> I can login and build in the sim but allways at startup I get that error
2015-06-30 10:32 <JunkHunk> any idea?
2015-06-30 10:57 <techplex> @JunkHunk that is the Region data snapshot module which enables MetaverseInk search. I think its been broken for a while now. See the DataSnapshot section in Opensim.ini
2015-06-30 11:01 <JunkHunk> okay thanks for the info
2015-06-30 11:06 <techplex> You can just disable datasnapshot and not hurt anything
2015-06-30 12:59 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-06-30 15:40 <littlefeatherQ> anyone know a good starting point on figuring out how to process texture data sent thru caos?
2015-06-30 15:42 <jakdaniels> what is caos?
2015-06-30 15:50 <littlefeatherQ> sorry caps*
2015-06-30 15:52 <littlefeatherQ> my module works up to the point of reciving texture data and adding it not sure how to correctly recive texture data and add it to assets
2015-06-30 16:05 <nebadon_phone> Just a heads up I most likely wont make todays meeting
2015-06-30 16:06 <nebadon_phone> I am not home and its looking more and more like i wont get back in time
2015-06-30 16:15 <jakdaniels> littlefeatherQ: I'm guessing, but try looking at one of the map modules. They turn bitmap texture data into assets.
2015-06-30 16:28 <osmantis> Bug #7629:04 Saving parcel settings with high bit set in LandFlags corrupts all other bits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7629 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-30 16:28 <Melanie_T> littlefeatherQ: there is already a caps based texture upoader
2015-06-30 16:29 <Melanie_T> littlefeatherQ: you can of course write a second one but I don't see a use case
2015-06-30 16:29 <Melanie_T> basically, you can store anything as an asset by simply wrapping it in AssetBase and calling Scene.AssetService.Store
2015-06-30 16:54 <Littlefeather> I have that but forsome reason it is not storing the texture
2015-06-30 16:59 <Littlefeather> this is the part that handles upload
2015-06-30 16:59 <Littlefeather>  AssetBase asset = new AssetBase(assetID, "Abuse Texture", AssetType.Texture, agentID) { Data = data };
2015-06-30 16:59 <Littlefeather>             asset.ID = m_Scene.AssetService.Store(asset);
2015-06-30 17:20 <Littlefeather> i used fiddler to see what the viewer was doing and i can see this GET /CAPS/392926dc-dd57-4705-b9c7-a1458726d01f/?texture_id=8928f70a-9e98-8f1f-cae5-65bbcf78bfbc HTTP/1.1 404
2015-06-30 18:01 <Melanie_T> littlefeather: 404 seems to indicate an error with the caps handler
2015-06-30 18:02 <osmantis> Bug #7629:04 Saving parcel settings with high bit set in LandFlags corrupts all other bits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7629 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-30 18:02 <Melanie_T> like not actually registering the cap
2015-06-30 18:04 <osmantis> Bug #7629:04 Saving parcel settings with high bit set in LandFlags corrupts all other bits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7629 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-30 18:07 <Littlefeather> hmm
2015-06-30 18:17 <Littlefeather> i thought MainServer.Instance.AddStreamHandler(new GenericStreamHandler("POST", uploadpath,
2015-06-30 18:17 <Littlefeather>  uploader.uploaderCaps )); was enough to register the caps                                                                  uploader.uploaderCaps));
2015-06-30 18:18 <Littlefeather> but this is the error http://pastebin.com/t0TF6d2B
2015-06-30 18:49 <Littlefeather> the caps is registerd http://192.99.14.226:9000/CAPS/7883e080-e392-4c42-b396-381cd6df73da/?texture_id=76cfacf8-8269-d41b-d713-f663cf161cca i think the 404 error is with not finding the texter
2015-06-30 21:37 <Ken_S> Anyone else on latest code sometimes having timeouts on login or TPs to their sim, requiring a restart?
2015-06-30 22:30 <osmantis> Bug #7629:04 Saving parcel settings with high bit set in LandFlags corrupts all other bits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7629 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-06-30 23:46 <LiruCookies> Littlefeather: Does that texture exist?
2015-07-01 00:33 <schaeffer> so i'm trying to get the asset UUID for just a standard issue box that i rezzed in-world and added to my inventory
2015-07-01 00:33 <schaeffer> problem is, it's not giving me the option to actually look at the asset UUID anywhere. why is that?
2015-07-01 00:36 <Melanie_T> if the box is in world and you have takena  copy, the box in world is not connected to yur inventory at all
2015-07-01 00:36 <Melanie_T> if you made the box, took it and then rezzzed it again
2015-07-01 00:36 <Melanie_T> the FromItemID field in SceneObjectPart of the root prim will be set to the inventory item id
2015-07-01 00:37 <Melanie_T> and if you simply took it and it's not in world at all, then you will need to find it using the inventory api
2015-07-01 00:37 <Melanie_T> inventory is very human-centric
2015-07-01 00:37 <Melanie_T> with allowing multiple items with the same name and the way items are stored 
2015-07-01 00:38 <schaeffer> huh
2015-07-01 00:39 <schaeffer> interesting, if a bit frustrating
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2015-07-01 20:20 <osmantis> Bug #7632:04 [Patch] New Network Statistics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7632 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-07-01 20:23 <osmantis> Bug #7630:04 [Patch] New Network Statistics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7630 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-07-01 20:24 <osmantis> Bug #7631:04 [Patch] New Network Statistics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7631 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2015-07-02 12:24 <Plugh> Wilber, last mohawk
2015-07-02 12:26 <Plugh> oops... wrong channel
2015-07-02 23:05 <frank___> If I want to use WiFi with my grid, how do I setup the administrator account? I tried using my account name in the wifi.ini, and it creates an account for that name, but my password is not recognized?
2015-07-02 23:10 <frank___> Nevermind, just hacked the salt. 
2015-07-02 23:17 <nebadon> you can change passwords on the robust console
2015-07-02 23:17 <nebadon> and assign user levels and such
2015-07-02 23:20 <frank___> hmm, it seems more complicated than that, it appears that wifi uses it’s own DB for the users and not the Robust DB, so I need to export the IARs of existing accounts and import them into the WiFi maybe?
2015-07-02 23:21 <frank___> I have an existing grid, and am trying to add wifi to it, maybe that doesn’t work so pretty good, I will try creating a new grid and adding users to it.
2015-07-02 23:43 <frank___> hmm, should wifi use the same database as robust is using?
2015-07-03 00:07 <nebadon> frank___ its always been the same for me
2015-07-03 00:08 <frank___> well, yeah, duh, that is what I did wrong, I created a separate database for Wifi, I just switched it to using the same as Roabust and everything works and makes much more sense now - lol.. my bad.
2015-07-03 00:18 <nebadon> no worries
2015-07-03 01:17 <osmantis> Bug #7632:04 [Patch] New Network Statistics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7632 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-03 15:11 <osmantis> Bug #6824:04 script method to get/set materials textures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6824 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-04 00:19 <osmantis> Bug #7340:04 SigSegv crash caused by HttpListener passing invalid arguments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7340 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-04 07:41 <osmantis> Bug #7633:04 Opensim / Robust (Windows / Framework) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7633 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2015-07-04 19:30 <linkedinyou> Plugh: welcome to our active channel
2015-07-04 19:37 <Plugh> Thanks. :) I'm still installing/configuring some things on my computer as part of switching to a 64-bit Linux. I'll be bouncing in and out a bit.
2015-07-05 07:44 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-05 07:52 <osmantis> Bug #7634:04 Starting copied scripts into linked prims doesn't start 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7634 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-07-05 11:36 <osmantis> Bug #7634:04 Starting copied scripts into linked prims doesn't start 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7634 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-05 16:01 <Plugh> I'm having a problem starting a region. It always crashes after loading 250 scripts. Log extract is here -> http://pastebin.com/F0yihkN7
2015-07-05 16:01 <Plugh> I don't know (yet) if it is a script or other issue causing the crash but it is crashing in the physics engine.
2015-07-05 16:35 <nebadon> odd on for sure Plugh definitely physics
2015-07-05 16:35 <nebadon> not seen that one myself before
2015-07-05 17:19 <Plugh> I'll disable physics then an oar can be taken and an older oar can be loaded.
2015-07-05 17:21 <Plugh> nebadon: I wondered if it could be a mesh related thing.
2015-07-05 17:22 <nebadon> hard to say, the message isnt very specific
2015-07-05 17:22 <Plugh> no it isn't. 
2015-07-05 17:23 <AliciaRaven> protected memory exceptions shouldnt be posible with managed code like .net so i would assume its comming from unmanaged code ie builletsim
2015-07-05 17:24 <nebadon> yea its definitely bulletsim
2015-07-05 17:24 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: That is the case I think as it says its in BulletSPlugin
2015-07-05 17:24 <AliciaRaven> if u change to managed version of bullet sim it will probably go away but thats not a fix, just a side step
2015-07-05 17:25 <Plugh> How would I do that? Isn't that a coding issue?
2015-07-05 17:25 <AliciaRaven> it might let u get it started and find any problems in world, if it is possible
2015-07-05 17:25 <Plugh> I'm starting up with ODE
2015-07-05 17:25 <AliciaRaven> no, the ini file can be changed to use managed or unmanaged bulletsim, its in the defaults ini and there is a good description there if i remember right
2015-07-05 17:26 <nebadon> the C# bulletsim is pretty slow though in comparison
2015-07-05 17:26 <nebadon> you wont get the same level of performance
2015-07-05 17:26 <Plugh> Errors would be a lot more helpful if they reported the script or object UUID that contains the problem.
2015-07-05 17:27 <AliciaRaven> yea thats why i was saying its not a good fix just a side step
2015-07-05 17:27 <nebadon> yea give it a try
2015-07-05 17:27 <Plugh> ODE says center of mass inconsistent with mass parameters
2015-07-05 17:27 <Plugh> right after it says it has loaded 250 scripts.
2015-07-05 17:28 <Plugh> oh, it looks like it has a grid coordinate. Just have to translate that in to a location within the region.
2015-07-05 17:29 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, any luck with os and the current mono version yet?
2015-07-05 17:56 <Plugh> hm... does physics for objects correct itself when there are errors? I've restarted the region and I'm not getting the center of mass errors any more.
2015-07-05 17:58 <Plugh> I wonder what it means when OS says "Check text encoding..." when it is loading scripts
2015-07-05 17:58 <Plugh> Bad UTF8 characters in a script file? No idea how I'd figure out which script.
2015-07-05 18:03 <nebadon> AliciaRaven havent tried again since I last mentioned it
2015-07-05 18:24 <osmantis> Bug #7634:04 Starting copied scripts into linked prims doesn't start 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7634 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-05 19:15 <Plugh> dang. Exceptions aren't getting recorded in the OS log file
2015-07-05 21:57 <osmantis> Bug #7634:04 Starting copied scripts into linked prims doesn't start 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7634 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-05 22:58 <osmantis> Bug #7635:04 opensim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7635 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-07-05 23:09 <osmantis> Bug #7635:04 opensim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7635 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-07-05 23:11 <osmantis> Bug #7634:04 Starting copied scripts into linked prims doesn't start 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7634 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-07-05 23:13 <osmantis> Bug #7635:04 opensim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7635 ): has been CLOSED
2015-07-06 00:14 <osmantis> Bug #7635:04 opensim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7635 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-07-06 00:19 <osmantis> Bug #7635:04 opensim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7635 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-06 00:20 <AliciaRaven> very suspicious mantis activity
2015-07-06 00:20 <Melanie_T> well, the (apparently) italian "reporter" is trying to provide a binary to his friends
2015-07-06 00:20 <Melanie_T> however, the binary may not be opensim but some other code
2015-07-06 00:20 <Melanie_T> warez or malware
2015-07-06 00:20 <Melanie_T> so i'm disallowing that
2015-07-06 00:21 <nebadon> +1
2015-07-06 00:21 <Melanie_T> let them use megaupload
2015-07-06 00:21 <AliciaRaven> yea, no one would trust an exe distributed that way, or they shouldnt lol
2015-07-06 00:21 <Melanie_T> i have traditionally been the bad ass bitch who's cold close mantis'
2015-07-06 00:23 <AliciaRaven> Melanie_T, any idea when fs assets will be ready for core?
2015-07-06 00:24 <Melanie_T> soon as someone steps up to do the integration
2015-07-06 00:24 <Melanie_T> i lack the time but i published all code that is needed
2015-07-06 00:24 <Melanie_T> the things to do are
2015-07-06 00:24 <AliciaRaven> does it handle existing assets and dedupe them?
2015-07-06 00:24 <Melanie_T>  - create pgsql/mssql/sqlite connectors
2015-07-06 00:25 <Melanie_T>  - change the mysql connector to live in OpenSim/Data and use the new intrface as well
2015-07-06 00:26 <AliciaRaven> i would volunteer but i know nothing about pgsql, mssql is removed tho isnt it?
2015-07-06 00:27 <Melanie_T>  - Integrate the connector into the file system structure of the project
2015-07-06 00:27 <Melanie_T> yes/no
2015-07-06 00:27 <Melanie_T> there is a migration aid that allows any asset that isn't found to be read from another asset server
2015-07-06 00:27 <Melanie_T> let's call that secondary server the "old" server
2015-07-06 00:27 <Melanie_T> and FSassets the new
2015-07-06 00:27 <Melanie_T> so any asset read from the old server is stored into the new one before being given to the client
2015-07-06 00:27 <Melanie_T> but it is the responsibility of the grid operator to migrate the bulk of their assets
2015-07-06 00:27 <Melanie_T> depending on how they do it, their process may or may not depuplicate
2015-07-06 00:27 <Melanie_T> i know it was spokena bout not sure if it happened
2015-07-06 00:27 <Melanie_T> pqsql was also slated fir removal
2015-07-06 00:28 <Melanie_T> but it looks like there is still interest
2015-07-06 00:29 <AliciaRaven> kk, thanks for the info, i will have a look
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2015-07-06 10:30 <w-t-h> someone maybe find this interesting.... procedural universe with lod planets. the planets appear to have gravity positioning too upon closeup view
2015-07-06 10:30 <w-t-h> https://github.com/judnich/Kosmos
2015-07-06 10:31 <w-t-h> demo at  http://judnich.github.io/Kosmos/
2015-07-06 10:32 <w-t-h> this would be neat to combine some feature set from opensim say oarconverter that purports to offer some level of compatibility with threejs
2015-07-06 10:33 <w-t-h> https://github.com/ricklon/oarconverter/tree/master/python
2015-07-06 10:33 <w-t-h> https://github.com/ricklon/oarconverter/blob/master/python/README
2015-07-06 10:52 <w-t-h> oh forgot to mention, past years objections for not wanting a planet based simulator included "nobody want's a space simulator"
2015-07-06 10:52 <w-t-h> but if you think about it for awhile a universe/planet simulator solves alot of 10-year old server limitations
2015-07-06 10:53 <w-t-h> such as unusable/no fly,walk,trave,animate zones due to reaching a border edge
2015-07-06 10:53 <w-t-h> flat worlds, 
2015-07-06 10:54 <w-t-h> and a hoaky maps world of antiquated maps that arent even on par with any mercador map
2015-07-06 10:55 <w-t-h> plus the added annoiances of region noise of child agents spamming into nearby zones
2015-07-06 10:55 <w-t-h> and the overall awfulness of any terrains native to the opensim simulator
2015-07-06 10:58 <w-t-h> now with spinning up a galaxy the user can expand thier travels to realistic solar systems with their suns, moons, asteriod belts and any other thing that purports to "simulate" an experience known to science such as any feature of the known univrse such as actual quazars, black holes, neblae of exploded sims, and array of phenomena usually reserved soley to Nova documentaries and million dollar budget movies
2015-07-06 11:00 <w-t-h> or we couse just keep more jira buglets until so embarrsed the mantis goes into black box communication mode :P
2015-07-06 11:25 <dahlia> 
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2015-07-06 14:58 <Ken_S> I've noticed that in Debug/Get Top Scripts,
2015-07-06 14:58 <Ken_S> the scripts are almost twice as slow on some days opposed to others.
2015-07-06 14:58 <Ken_S> Anyone have any idea how this could be, or what might cause it?
2015-07-06 16:28 <lkalif> https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse/releases/tag/0.9.3
2015-07-06 16:29 <lkalif> Linux users could test the new GridProxyGUI
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2015-07-06 17:08 <LiruCookies> Melanie_T: Cinder is happy to work the interfaces in and make FSassets more like a standard core service. She can't write the connectors for the other db's, but having the data interface there should make it relatively easy for someone else to add one later. Also she says that GetMesh and GetMesh2 dsr's don't work with it, but she's fixing that.
2015-07-06 17:41 <Guest40792> Installed OpenSim on Linux machine, disabled firewall, and attempted to connect to it from the same machine using firestorm - http://127.0.0.1
2015-07-06 17:41 <Guest40792> Can never finish connecting to the server 
2015-07-06 17:41 <Guest40792> Error logs say "Connection Refused"
2015-07-06 18:10 <nebadon> Guest40792 did you specify the port on the login uri?
2015-07-06 18:25 <lkalif> hey nebadon 
2015-07-06 18:26 <Plugh> It's official. I'm now running a 64-bit version of Linux. No idea what this might mean (if anything) when building DLLs for mono.
2015-07-06 18:27 <Plugh> s/mono/OpenSim/
2015-07-06 18:33 <nebadon> hello lkalif o/
2015-07-06 18:33 <nebadon> nice Plugh
2015-07-06 18:33 <nebadon> shouldnt mean anything in terms of building software really
2015-07-06 18:33 <nebadon> ive been strictly 64 bit everything for about 3 years now
2015-07-06 18:34 <Plugh> I finally decided to make the switch as I was on Mint 17 32-bit and I wanted to update to 17.2, and two programs I want to run are (now) 64-bit only.
2015-07-06 19:01 <Guest40792> nebadon, yes, I've tried 9000, 8002, and 8003
2015-07-06 19:04 <Plugh> Guest40792: Is this your first time configuring OpenSimulator? Make sure you uncommented the correct line in the Architecture section.
2015-07-06 19:05 <Guest40792> Plugh, I'll check that now
2015-07-06 19:06 <Plugh> nebadon: It has taken me a few days to get my system updated. I would spend some time on it then go do other things for a while. I've also been updating/creating an install doc that tracks all the things I've done to get the machine back up to where it was.
2015-07-06 19:06 <Plugh> nebadon: It is a 6.5 page document. :)
2015-07-06 19:06 <Plugh> bbiab
2015-07-06 19:11 <Guest40792> Plugh, I checked the Architecture section and the default (Standalone.ini) is what I want and is what is uncommented - the supporting files in common-include are already there as well
2015-07-06 19:12 <Plugh> Guest40792: If its first times setting up OS have a little patience with it. It tends to be a complicated thing to get configured correctly first time out.
2015-07-06 19:14 <Guest40792> Plugh, right, I understand that, just I'm still looking at what to do
2015-07-06 19:14 <Plugh> sure, I was in the middle of building a program.
2015-07-06 19:16 <Plugh> Guest40792: If you are running Standalone the port you use in the loginURI will be 9000.
2015-07-06 19:16 <Plugh> Unless you set it to something else by changing http_listener_port in [Network] section of OpenSim.ini
2015-07-06 19:17 <Guest40792> Plugh - alright, I'm looking into that, making sure
2015-07-06 19:17 <Plugh> I'm not sure if it is 100% needed by I set ExternalHostNameForLSL in that same section to my machines IP address.
2015-07-06 19:18 <Plugh> Figure it doesn't hurt. It may not matter unless you also want to access the standalone from another machine.
2015-07-06 19:18 <nebadon> that is only needed if your using the LSL HTTP functions
2015-07-06 19:18 <nebadon> and expect inbound
2015-07-06 19:18 <nebadon> and you want it to resolve to a specific URL
2015-07-06 19:18 <Plugh> nebadon: I have run tests using those functions. 
2015-07-06 19:19 <nebadon> I always set that too myself
2015-07-06 19:19 <nebadon> never know when you might need it :)
2015-07-06 19:19 <Plugh> Exactly what I was just thinking.
2015-07-06 19:19 <Plugh> Let's se... what else to check...
2015-07-06 19:20 <Plugh> nebadon: I was just noticing HG settings in SA common ini file. Can you run SA and still do HG TP's?
2015-07-06 19:21 <Guest40792> Plugh: so when I try to add http://127.0.0.1:9000 to firestorm, it forces it back to :8002
2015-07-06 19:22 <nebadon> if you have it set for Hypergrid Standalone then yes
2015-07-06 19:22 <Plugh> Sounds like your settings in grid info are wrong.
2015-07-06 19:22 <Guest40792> It's showing what I expect to be the default title of the server "the lost continent of hippo"
2015-07-06 19:22 <nebadon> as long as its configured in a way that is exposed to the entire internet
2015-07-06 19:22 <nebadon> cant be a localhost standalone etc..
2015-07-06 19:23 <Plugh> nebadon, ah. the HGSA.ini file include the SA common one. I wonder if it would have made sense to have a HypergridCommon.ini file to remove HG from SA common.
2015-07-06 19:25 <Plugh> Guest40792: Check your settings in the [GridService] section of config-include/StandaloneCommon.ini
2015-07-06 19:26 <Plugh> It has the grid info settings that will be given to your viewer when you add your standalone to the viewers list of known grids.
2015-07-06 19:26 <Plugh> Even though a standalone isn't really a grid. It still gets listed under the viewers Grid list as a place to which it can connect.
2015-07-06 19:48 <Guest40792> Huzzah, got it working - it was a problem with firestorm apparently
2015-07-06 19:51 <Plugh> Seems odd that it would be a firestorm issue but the main thing is you got it working.
2015-07-06 19:52 <Plugh> Incorrect grid info settings in the ini files would also cause a problem.
2015-07-06 20:06 <nebadon> ah you know what it is
2015-07-06 20:07 <nebadon> in firestorm you have to include http:// in the loginuri
2015-07-06 20:07 <nebadon> or it wont work
2015-07-06 20:07 <nebadon> there is definitely something different in Firestorm as compared to other viewers with the grid manager
2015-07-06 20:12 <Guest40792> I did include the http://, the problem was it forced the port to 8002 instead of keeping it at 9000
2015-07-06 20:12 <Guest40792> might be some configuring issue, but I got it to work with singularity just fine
2015-07-06 20:14 <AliciaRaven> firestorm already has http://127.0.0.1:9000 listed by default and named localhost, shouldnt need to add it
2015-07-06 20:36 <Guest40792> I've removed it before because I used firestorm for other servers. I couldn't add it back, though.
2015-07-07 07:07 <osmantis> Bug #7593:04 High memory usage when avatar arrives and is never released 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7593 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-07-07 13:43 <osmantis> Bug #7593:04 High memory usage when avatar arrives and is never released 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7593 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-07 13:56 <osmantis> Bug #7632:04 [Patch] New Network Statistics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7632 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-07 14:07 <osmantis> Bug #7593:04 High memory usage when avatar arrives and is never released 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7593 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-07 14:07 <osmantis> Bug #6824:04 script method to get/set materials textures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6824 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-07 14:13 <osmantis> Bug #6824:04 script method to get/set materials textures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6824 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-07 14:54 <frank_> I have heard that some grids have proprietary code to suspend unused regions/sims and swap them out to disk until someone comes along and and see into them. Is this true and/or is there any ability or plans for abilities to do this? It would seem to be a way to get more regions running on less resources. Or is this a false lead and natural Linux/Windows/OSX virtual memory handles this natively without OS helping???
2015-07-07 14:56 <frank_> Hi Melanie, I saw you just disconnected and wasn’t sure if you read my question above: I have heard that some grids have proprietary code to suspend unused regions/sims and swap them out to disk until someone comes along and and see into them. Is this true and/or is there any ability or plans for abilities to do this? It would seem to be a way to get more regions running on less resources. Or is this a false lead and natural 
2015-07-07 14:56 <frank_> Linux/Windows/OSX virtual memory handles this natively without OS helping???
2015-07-07 14:56 <frank_> [10:55am]
2015-07-07 15:22 <frank_> I expect that if a sim has any scripts running it can not be paged out by the system VM, since it will apear active. And I expect the sim knows that it can see and may be be seen by anoher sim, but I don’t think there is any code in a sim to know if a avatar is present in the sim or in a sim that can see it. It would seem to be easy to detect that there are no avatars within vision of the sim, but I am not sure how complex sav
2015-07-07 15:22 <frank_> running scripts and then later restoring them would be.
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2015-07-07 19:57 <w-t-h> So i was playing around with Hifidelity awhile ago and gave Phillip's intro video another look...
2015-07-07 19:59 <w-t-h> Apparentaly HIfi is going for a Namespace virtual universe based on a octrees
2015-07-07 20:01 <w-t-h> and now i see why. if you make a trillion stars with their oriting satellites you quickly get lost
2015-07-07 20:01 <w-t-h> orbiting*
2015-07-07 20:02 <w-t-h> thus a future viewer where the space is huge the usual way is to type in a name and the system takes you directly to it, such as Celestia does
2015-07-07 20:03 <w-t-h> but that seems too cheesy as a main purpose of using stars is to get the somewhat artistic simulation of planetary travel
2015-07-07 20:04 <w-t-h> thus is one were to use the actual physical uinverse as a template as what a next-gen viewer might use i would first say dead space
2015-07-07 20:05 <w-t-h> nothing, or more aply nothingness until your camera or view takes you to an object in that univrse such as a star 
2015-07-07 20:06 <w-t-h> thus in an actual universe simulator you ideally would be able to first use 'nothing' but dead space
2015-07-07 20:07 <w-t-h> which would appear similar to the blackness of the actual universe devoid of visible light
2015-07-07 20:07 <w-t-h> and then from there naturaly try to find light sources to "use"
2015-07-07 20:08 <w-t-h> such as traveling to and from said object emitting such a light source, e.g,  a sun or larger thing like a galaxy
2015-07-07 20:09 <w-t-h> and then the interesting stuff should be readily appearent
2015-07-07 20:10 <w-t-h> how to get to not get fried in orbit by debris, or from the atmosphere assuming such an object has one
2015-07-07 20:13 <w-t-h> for most of this the simulator must use as LL does a time dialation or ratios of dimentional objects and the time it takes to travel
2015-07-07 20:14 <w-t-h> of course the cheesiest of them all for time travel is a staus update bar :P
2015-07-07 20:14 <w-t-h> which is about as useful as a page number of a book
2015-07-07 20:15 <w-t-h> as a "non smimulator copout" since "we all know travel is boring"
2015-07-07 20:15 <BeyBar> w-t-h, excuse me but... wrong channel? Maybe you're looking for #highfidelity
2015-07-07 20:16 <w-t-h> oh i assume from last years's conversation here that opensim-dev opted to not use a dedicated irc room for discussing "thinging about a new viewer"
2015-07-07 20:16 <w-t-h> but opted to float discussions directly here
2015-07-07 20:16 <w-t-h> maybe that was not a consensus view of "thinging about a new viewer" i admit
2015-07-07 20:17 <w-t-h> has opensim-dev ejected the new viewer threads as not on topic for this channel?
2015-07-07 20:18 <dahlia> not at all
2015-07-07 20:19 <dahlia> but dont let it disrupt other technical conversations about the current software
2015-07-07 20:19 <w-t-h> ive only recently pick it up since the tpv irc channels seem to just want dev topic germain to their bug list not a discussion of pie-in-the-sky
2015-07-07 20:20 <dahlia> I like the occasional pie in the sky :)  Just dont expect anyone to agree with you lol :)
2015-07-07 20:20 <w-t-h> specially about opensim-dev i recently came accross oarconverter
2015-07-07 20:20 <w-t-h> which addresses the difficulty of opensim server specific content for other object formats such as useful to threejs and others
2015-07-07 20:21 <dahlia> the few attempts Ive seen which tried to display opensim content in three.js did not perform very well
2015-07-07 20:22 <w-t-h> which immediately puts the user into scripting, or more accurately shader objects
2015-07-07 20:22 <dahlia> three.js is more for generic content and lacks any optimizations for specialized content like in opensim/sl
2015-07-07 20:22 <w-t-h> ya opengl is huge with lots of different 'viewers'
2015-07-07 20:23 <dahlia> but, I dont want to discourage anyone from an enjoyable learning experience ;)
2015-07-07 20:24 <w-t-h> the usual discussion is that origin must be static at 0,0,0 for viewers to share
2015-07-07 20:24 <w-t-h> but that mabye just a local origiin after a user 'finds' and interesting object in the universe to visit
2015-07-07 20:24 <dahlia> well the grid moves the origin for each region, so essentially each region has it's own 0,0,0
2015-07-07 20:25 <dahlia> this helps with floating point precision issues
2015-07-07 20:26 <dahlia> e.g., if you had a simulation the size of a solar system, don't expect single precision floats to give you much
2015-07-07 20:26 <w-t-h> no?
2015-07-07 20:26 <w-t-h> how about how Kosmos did it?
2015-07-07 20:26 <dahlia> no, you only get 32 bits to work with
2015-07-07 20:26 <dahlia> dont know what Kosmos is
2015-07-07 20:27 <w-t-h> he says he shoe horned 128 bits into the mandatory 32 gpu's :P
2015-07-07 20:27 <dahlia> oh well ask him then
2015-07-07 20:27 <w-t-h> um just a sec finding a link...
2015-07-07 20:27 <w-t-h> its easier just to read the debugger winder of his scripts
2015-07-07 20:27 <dahlia> not interested in reading that ;)
2015-07-07 20:28 <w-t-h> e
2015-07-07 20:28 <w-t-h> hehe
2015-07-07 20:28 <w-t-h> well the demo is pretty
2015-07-07 20:28 <dahlia> yes you can "shoehorn" stuff, but regardless, 32 bits is just 32 bits
2015-07-07 20:28 <w-t-h> https://github.com/judnich/Kosmos
2015-07-07 20:29 <w-t-h> oh that's the dev page, jsut a sec
2015-07-07 20:30 <w-t-h> http://judnich.github.io/Kosmos/
2015-07-07 20:30 <dahlia> I see what looks like a planet and a bunch of stars
2015-07-07 20:30 <w-t-h> ya, universe type thinggy
2015-07-07 20:31 <w-t-h> its actullay you can go to any star in that system
2015-07-07 20:31 <w-t-h> which all have their own planets circling them
2015-07-07 20:31 <w-t-h> which you can land on
2015-07-07 20:32 <w-t-h> here's the author's tech talk
2015-07-07 20:32 <w-t-h> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kEQZN23D6g
2015-07-07 20:33 <w-t-h> of course this system is missing a domain logic for quickly finding your own named planets
2015-07-07 20:33 <w-t-h> thus my opening comment about Phillip's new octree sytem
2015-07-07 20:33 <w-t-h> using his 'namespaces'
2015-07-07 20:34 <w-t-h> which i think is a horrible idea
2015-07-07 20:34 <w-t-h> as nobody needs to recreate the internets name resolvers system
2015-07-07 20:37 <w-t-h> hm, Kosmos is a bsd licenced stuffs
2015-07-07 20:38 <w-t-h> based on coffee scripts
2015-07-07 20:38 <w-t-h> i had to patch the git pull using his demo
2015-07-07 20:38 <w-t-h> to make the stars show up on my box
2015-07-07 20:40 <w-t-h> 128-bit corrdinate system  by shifting 0,0,0 origin
2015-07-07 20:42 <dahlia> http://www.computer.org/csdl/mags/cg/2002/06/mcg2002060090.pdf
2015-07-07 20:44 <dahlia> ya thats essentially what SL/OpenSim grid system does is get more precision by shifting the origin
2015-07-07 20:45 <dahlia> everything is relative to the local origin of the region you are in
2015-07-07 20:45 <dahlia> the viewer has a octree which is much larger than the region
2015-07-07 20:47 <dahlia> I think a lot of people have expressed interest in getting away from the flat world model but I'm not sure if or how current viewers and OpenSim could be modified to support such a model
2015-07-07 20:48 <dahlia> most of the grid stuff is essentially 2 dimensional
2015-07-07 20:48 <dahlia> and it's pretty deeply rooted in a lot of the code
2015-07-07 20:50 <OtakuMegane> There's also the matter of what do you use to replace the 2D model? Does everything become an island floating in the void, only acessible by search engine or a link?
2015-07-07 20:50 <dahlia> or a octree query
2015-07-07 20:51 <dahlia> well a spatial query, octree may not be the best way to do it
2015-07-07 20:52 <dahlia> "google, give me all the habitable planets in sector zed zed alpha please" 
2015-07-07 20:53 <OtakuMegane> But it's still having to specifically search and you're still isolated. I prefer some concrete "world" to explore, even if it is a grid of often mismatched regions.
2015-07-07 20:54 <dahlia> sure, but a lot of people want to do space stuff :)
2015-07-07 20:54 <w-t-h> how about a local system such as a simulated milkyway
2015-07-07 20:54 <dahlia> there's always "Kerbal Space Program" 
2015-07-07 20:54 <w-t-h> that definately would be a subset of an entire universe
2015-07-07 20:55 <OtakuMegane> That works when you're doing space stuff. Opensim regions are a very clear "planet-side" area, not a planet in itself.
2015-07-07 20:55 <w-t-h> is Kerbal sources open?
2015-07-07 20:55 <dahlia> dont think so
2015-07-07 20:55 <w-t-h> so a non-starter suggestion
2015-07-07 20:55 <dahlia> ya but I hear it's fun
2015-07-07 20:56 <dahlia> was made in unity
2015-07-07 20:56 <w-t-h> spending money is always fun
2015-07-07 20:56 <w-t-h> btw for Unity users you get to contribute back to the mothership in mandatory fees
2015-07-07 20:57 <w-t-h> upon stamping 'for sale' on your project
2015-07-07 20:57 <w-t-h> but that maybe like starting at $25/50k
2015-07-07 20:57 <w-t-h> in sales idk
2015-07-07 20:58 <dahlia> last I used unity, there was a free version and a higher capability pro version that was like $1500ish
2015-07-07 20:58 <w-t-h> oh well! i think Unreal is free too
2015-07-07 20:59 <dahlia> but yeah I don't care for the way they do business
2015-07-07 20:59 <w-t-h> as far as personal use goes
2015-07-07 21:00 <dahlia> anyway, if you realy want to do a good job with spacey stuff I'd suggest skippng any "engine" and just coding it from scratch using OpenGL or D3D
2015-07-07 21:00 <dahlia> because any engine will limit you in pretty nasty ways
2015-07-07 21:00 <w-t-h> OtakuMegane, the reason planets are mentioned by me is due to the long history of limited terrains
2015-07-07 21:01 <w-t-h> such as starting at 256 and vars
2015-07-07 21:01 <dahlia> and by the time you've solved all the problems, you've already done enough work to justify doing it from scratch
2015-07-07 21:01 <w-t-h> heck even Minecraft terrain size is an improvement of shared space
2015-07-07 21:01 <antont> dahlia: nowadays unity free is not cripled in functionality but if you have >100k$ budget you must pay. and free shows the splash always. but you can do android builds and use c++ plugins and have all the feats etc. but then when you pay you get to use their build servers etc
2015-07-07 21:01 <antont> but is sure interesting and fun that unreal engine is open source :)
2015-07-07 21:02 <dahlia> antont: ah ok it's been a few years since I used unity
2015-07-07 21:02 <antont> yah changed a year or two ago or something
2015-07-07 21:02 <OtakuMegane> Yeah, it works if you have something that at least feels like a planet or separate world. Opensim is a long way from even being able to hold that scale and the default being in a sea of water doesn't help.
2015-07-07 21:02 <antont> cesium seems to be a nice webgl thing for planet rendering
2015-07-07 21:03 <antont> http://cesiumjs.org/
2015-07-07 21:04 <antont> OtakuMegane: yah that's why we wrote the relatively simple tundra server on the realxtend side, nothing of the worlds is hardcoded basically .. then unity-style component biz to have what you want
2015-07-07 21:04 <dahlia> that looks kinda like a globe thing more than a space thing?
2015-07-07 21:04 <antont> OtakuMegane: used opensim first but then needed simple flexiblity so the guys wrote that
2015-07-07 21:04 <antont> dahlia: true is for a single planet usually i think
2015-07-07 21:04 <antont> a globe renderer exactly
2015-07-07 21:05 <BeyBar> http://en.spaceengine.org/
2015-07-07 21:06 <dahlia> there you go
2015-07-07 21:06 <antont> spaceengine sounds like .. what's the old gpl opengl solar system thing
2015-07-07 21:06 <dahlia> so many simulators, so little time :/
2015-07-07 21:06 <antont> ah celestia, http://www.shatters.net/celestia/
2015-07-07 21:07 <antont> ah space engine generates unknown parts procedurally, cool :)
2015-07-07 21:08 <dahlia> so ya use something like space engine for exploring the universe, and then use OpenSim or Tundra for when you want to beam down :)
2015-07-07 21:09 <dahlia> 
ACTION prepares a few photon torpedoes to fire at the Tundra planet....

2015-07-07 21:11 <antont> tundra and even opensim can be fine for space fights too
2015-07-07 21:11 <H-H-H> wow i just been reading the scroll back and that sounds like an awesome idea dahlia
2015-07-07 21:11 <antont> when you go from a planet to another, or to visit a moon
2015-07-07 21:11 <antont> can encounter some other ships on the way
2015-07-07 21:11 <antont> would be fun to reimplement elite or something in tundra & perhaps webtundra :)
2015-07-07 21:12 <antont> an intern at admino had made a quite nice non-space fighter plane game
2015-07-07 21:12 <antont> saw it a bit last week
2015-07-07 21:13 <antont> reading this now and thinking that must open the windows laptop :) http://en.spaceengine.org/news/spaceengine_0973_released/2015-04-17-13#comments
2015-07-07 21:13 <H-H-H> you could actually play the entire startreck series lol
2015-07-07 21:13 <antont> :)
2015-07-07 21:13 <antont> H-H-H: you can count me in that :)
2015-07-07 21:13 <H-H-H> hmmmm watch out for the borg :O
2015-07-07 21:14 <antont> who plays them, melanie?
2015-07-07 21:14 <H-H-H> lol
2015-07-07 21:15 <H-H-H> ive been looking at using opensim and a viewer to re-create something like minecraft but in 3d
2015-07-07 21:16 <antont> aha
2015-07-07 21:16 <OtakuMegane> Like a procedurally generated world that's not lots of blocks? :)
2015-07-07 21:16 <OtakuMegane> Nothing wrogn with blockworlds, mind. I love it personally.
2015-07-07 21:17 <H-H-H> like in theory you could use opensim for stuff like https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEbtIY4p_ltpLg4hcFO65xr4yATr2nAg6
2015-07-07 21:17 <H-H-H> or https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEbtIY4p_ltqkvzrNqXhl36fSsVT7fUCN
2015-07-07 21:18 <dahlia> well I have to go do errands, I'll have to save my hostile invasion of the Tundranite sector till later so you're safe for now antont 
2015-07-07 21:18 <dahlia> laterz all :)
2015-07-07 21:18 <H-H-H> bye dahlia
2015-07-07 21:18 <OtakuMegane> Actually since seeing gameplay footage of No Man's Sky I've pondered procedural generation in Opensim. Could be a neat thing to play with
2015-07-07 21:18 <antont> dahlia: right-o, have fun :)
2015-07-07 21:19 <antont> OtakuMegane: prims might facilitate that nicely
2015-07-07 21:19 <H-H-H> that is something i would really love
2015-07-07 21:19 <antont> .. or not
2015-07-07 21:19 <OtakuMegane> You can use procedural generation with almost anything, but it may not fit together the best or be harder to do than other types.
2015-07-07 21:20 <H-H-H> i know you can do a system that can bring a region up on demand but its not the same thing :)
2015-07-07 21:20 <antont> i made a simple gamelike toy thing 100% procedurally once, with an apple tree + birds
2015-07-07 21:20 <antont> the tree grows and makes fruit and the birds fly and eat those and have different reactions .. either the bird's head grows, or it gets pregnant and goes down to earth to lay an egg :)
2015-07-07 21:20 <antont> or well just a baby bird actually .. which stays there as a small one
2015-07-07 21:21 <antont> the parent goes to get an apple for it, then it grows .. and goes to eat more
2015-07-07 21:21 <H-H-H> cool
2015-07-07 21:21 <antont> the player controls the tree, can grow it & grow apples to it, and rotate the tree .. to make the birds chase the apples there :)
2015-07-07 21:22 <antont> posted it there back then, http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=1946.5
2015-07-07 21:23 <H-H-H> 
ACTION looks

2015-07-07 21:23 <antont> wrote in python using soya3d (a native opengl engine, very nice .. gpl) .. made a win exe then too, am not sure if the links to it work
2015-07-07 21:23 <antont> but there's a screenshot :)
2015-07-07 21:23 <antont> i just made simple meshes .. a kind of l-system for the tree, and then the birds .. and sphere for the fruit
2015-07-07 21:24 <antont> with some py code that created the vertices etc
2015-07-07 21:24 <antont> from 2008 apparently :)
2015-07-07 21:25 <antont> .. have looked a few times to port it to javascript or something to get ported to current envs
2015-07-07 21:26 <antont> that time might come too later in the coming months, need to port other things first .. got our pong example ported to current engine things today, minus one glitch :)
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2015-07-09 19:52 <lkalif> https://modemworld.wordpress.com/2015/07/09/radegast-updates-to-2-18/
2015-07-09 19:53 <nebadon> nice lkalif
2015-07-09 19:56 <lkalif> thanks
2015-07-09 19:58 <smxy_> I know a few people in Sl that will be glad to hear of the update.
2015-07-09 20:00 <nebadon> I use radegast all the time
2015-07-09 20:01 <nebadon> to upload mesh
2015-07-09 20:01 <nebadon> mostly low poly stuff that needs to be full LOD always :)
2015-07-09 20:04 <lkalif> cool
2015-07-09 20:04 <lkalif> I like how fast it is :)
2015-07-09 20:04 <linkedinyou> lkalif: keep the good work very nice
2015-07-09 20:05 <linkedinyou> nebadon:  have not seen you for days
2015-07-09 20:06 <linkedinyou> smxy_:  glade you here and no scary storms :)
2015-07-09 20:07 <linkedinyou> <<< still stuck in the reset password
2015-07-09 20:07 <nebadon> yea I have been crazy busy
2015-07-09 20:07 <nebadon> learning to texture in blender :)
2015-07-09 20:07 <linkedinyou> this is really good staff  to learn
2015-07-09 20:08 <linkedinyou> i was good with blender man
2015-07-09 20:09 <linkedinyou> i like the decimate optmizing the make vertse very low to uplad
2015-07-09 20:09 <lkalif> you can use cycles to bake textures
2015-07-09 20:09 <linkedinyou> what is cycle?
2015-07-09 20:10 <linkedinyou> << downloading blender again hahaha
2015-07-09 20:10 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/Blender_Textures_01.png
2015-07-09 20:10 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/Blender_Textures_02.png
2015-07-09 20:10 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/Blender_Textures_03.png
2015-07-09 20:10 <lkalif> blender rendering engine
2015-07-09 20:11 <nebadon> ya I havent done much baking yet
2015-07-09 20:11 <nebadon> and not used cycles at all yet
2015-07-09 20:11 <nebadon> seems pretty complicated cycles
2015-07-09 20:11 <nebadon> I just havent had the time to dig into it
2015-07-09 20:12 <nebadon> I am still learning to unwrap
2015-07-09 20:12 <nebadon> its finally starting to make some sense
2015-07-09 20:13 <linkedinyou> 2 years ago i learn blender in a university classes in sl that was big challeange for me and i learnt alot from that girl and bob solo was attending too
2015-07-09 20:13 <lkalif> uv unwrapping is hard to understand and do well
2015-07-09 20:14 <linkedinyou> i have not seen bob solo since that time
2015-07-09 20:14 <linkedinyou> nebadon:  where is bob solo?
2015-07-09 20:15 <dahlia> I learned blender on 2.49 and then they changed *everything*
2015-07-09 20:15 <nebadon> I tried to learn blender 2.49 the interface just felt so alien
2015-07-09 20:15 <linkedinyou> they make lots of versions yes
2015-07-09 20:16 <nebadon> I really like the new blender interface
2015-07-09 20:16 <dahlia> 
ACTION was one of the few people around who thought the 2.49 interface made sense

2015-07-09 20:16 <nebadon> but ya I can image that level of change would be annoying for anyone proficient in 2.49
2015-07-09 20:16 <dahlia> I could model so fast with 2.49
2015-07-09 20:16 <nebadon> the trick to fast modeling I have found is knowing the shortcut keys
2015-07-09 20:17 <dahlia> ya that helps a lot
2015-07-09 20:17 <linkedinyou> nebadon:  exactly
2015-07-09 20:17 <dahlia> but the UI represented how blender worked
2015-07-09 20:17 <dahlia> not how other UIs worked
2015-07-09 20:17 <linkedinyou> and you have to practice all day 
2015-07-09 20:17 <nebadon> here is a handy script I found for blender
2015-07-09 20:18 <nebadon> http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?357629-QuickPipe
2015-07-09 20:18 <dahlia> thats the other thing... I wrote a bunch of scripts for 2.49 and none worked in 2.5+
2015-07-09 20:18 <nebadon> this too
2015-07-09 20:18 <nebadon> https://vimeo.com/57255080
2015-07-09 20:18 <nebadon> yea
2015-07-09 20:18 <dahlia> cool scripts that would rig and animate and stuff
2015-07-09 20:21 <dahlia> nebadon: you could do stuff like that pipe video with primmesher if you pass it a curve
2015-07-09 20:22 <nebadon> nice
2015-07-09 20:22 <nebadon> would be cool if we could store mesh as bezier or nurbs
2015-07-09 20:23 <nebadon> though performance might tank
2015-07-09 20:23 <dahlia> it all turns into mesh before rendering anyway
2015-07-09 20:23 <nebadon> ya
2015-07-09 20:24 <nebadon> would be cool though if LL had made it so it had curve tools
2015-07-09 20:24 <nebadon> that you could apply variables too
2015-07-09 20:24 <nebadon> like make pipes or frames
2015-07-09 20:24 <linkedinyou> http://www.blenderguru.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2011/06/Realistic_earth.blend
2015-07-09 20:24 <linkedinyou> download it
2015-07-09 20:26 <linkedinyou> here you must login to download files those files *.blend used for tutorials and i was very usefull for me http://www.blendswap.com/blends/view/46815
2015-07-09 20:26 <linkedinyou> http://www.blenderguru.com/tutorials/create-a-realistic-earth/
2015-07-09 20:28 <linkedinyou> 5 Useful Blender Addons Everyone Should Use http://www.blenderguru.com/articles/must-blender-addons/
2015-07-09 20:29 <lkalif> nebadon: that's what prims are
2015-07-09 20:29 <nebadon> well I just mean I wish the editor was more flexible with prims
2015-07-09 20:29 <nebadon> so you could just a line and have it become whatever shape
2015-07-09 20:30 <dahlia> well they arent nurbs, but kinda like splines
2015-07-09 20:30 <lkalif> curves extruded ovrt some paths
2015-07-09 20:30 <nebadon> ya extrude basically
2015-07-09 20:30 <dahlia> so you can pass a custom extrusion path to primmesher
2015-07-09 20:30 <nebadon> make pipes, or box railing, star pattern, whatever
2015-07-09 20:30 <dahlia> but its not used anywhere that I know of
2015-07-09 20:32 <linkedinyou> 2 years ago i paid this site less then 19$ and they gave me tons to tutorials and tools to learn i guess it is my best of the best web site i ever find https://cgcookie.com/library/#
2015-07-09 20:33 <dahlia> I took a bunch of modeling and animation classes at a local community college but they used 3ds max
2015-07-09 20:33 <linkedinyou> best of what they got https://cgcookie.com/course/character-animation-toolkit/
2015-07-09 20:33 <dahlia> but yeah there are bazillions of blender tutorials out there on the interwebz
2015-07-09 20:37 <linkedinyou> dahlia:  best for you you started with 3ds max
2015-07-09 20:40 <linkedinyou> and i use zbrush for Convert Tris to Quads  and this is what must opensimer learn about Convert Tris to Quads  for me it is important and helped me while designing with Marvelous Designer and bring my dae after i convert it to Quads it is better for texturing in my openion
2015-07-09 20:40 <nebadon> ya the cgcookie tutorials are very good
2015-07-09 20:41 <nebadon> opensim really only supports tri's
2015-07-09 20:41 <dahlia> it's all tris when it's rendered anyway
2015-07-09 20:41 <nebadon> but ya you can easily use quads to make the textures
2015-07-09 20:42 <nebadon> uploading mesh as quads though forces the viewer to do the conversion
2015-07-09 20:42 <nebadon> you run the risk of it doing a poor job
2015-07-09 20:42 <linkedinyou> i find it easier for me and fast with quads to textures
2015-07-09 20:42 <dahlia> I model in quads
2015-07-09 20:42 <dahlia> but it turns into tris eventually
2015-07-09 20:42 <nebadon> ya or ngons
2015-07-09 20:42 <dahlia> still tris
2015-07-09 20:42 <dahlia> GPU can only display tris
2015-07-09 20:43 <dahlia> or lines
2015-07-09 20:43 <nebadon> ya
2015-07-09 20:47 <dahlia> but you can do a lot with 2 triangles :) https://www.shadertoy.com/view/XdB3Dw
2015-07-09 20:47 <linkedinyou> Marvelous Designer force me to design with tris but i had to convert it to Quads by Zbrush
2015-07-09 20:50 <linkedinyou> cgcookie give you the tutorial and the tools and even you will own the object to modify and play with it will be .blend or what ever you use
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2015-07-10 10:25 <djphil> Hello, I wonder if a problem concerning getTexture with GetTextureConnector) is a problem already known in the version of OpenSim 0.8.1 Release or not ?
2015-07-10 10:25 <djphil> see : http://pastebin.com/kE6egzAW
2015-07-10 10:27 <djphil> (I see this error every time I try to use to get getTexture profile image on website)
2015-07-10 18:12 <Plugh> If someone uses osMakeNotecard, what perms does the NC have?
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2015-07-10 18:50 <osmantis> Bug #7632:04 [Patch] New Network Statistics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7632 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-10 18:55 <xxValiumxx> Good Day
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2015-07-10 22:16 <w-t-h_> this might be a neat idea, if it doesn't exist yet on the server...
2015-07-10 22:17 <w-t-h_> say i have a region with a prim used to display regions sorted by an exposeable internet web function
2015-07-10 22:17 <w-t-h_> the prim uses standard http to ask the region simulator for a listing
2015-07-10 22:18 <w-t-h_> of course an opensim.ini would have to allow exposable http features of remote_admin that the owner deems okay for general internet access
2015-07-10 22:20 <w-t-h_> e.g,   monitor prim for:  1. simulator online, 2. regions online (private regions shown as unreachable or not listed), 3. any other console features exposed to the internets
2015-07-10 22:20 <w-t-h_> e.g,  show stats or a sublisting
2015-07-10 22:22 <w-t-h_> e.g,   grid status of a remote simulator;  regions online;  parcels online;  avatars online (per grid, or per region, or per parcel)
2015-07-10 22:23 <Melanie_> tbh, i see no point in having this shown on a pri
2015-07-10 22:23 <w-t-h_> no?
2015-07-10 22:23 <Melanie_> that is information much better presented on a website
2015-07-10 22:23 <Melanie_> prims are very limited media
2015-07-10 22:23 <w-t-h_> oh ic
2015-07-10 22:23 <w-t-h_> well prims are mini-websites
2015-07-10 22:23 <Melanie_> you can then put the web page on the prim via MOAP
2015-07-10 22:24 <Melanie_> but acquisition and preparation of the information should be done on a web server, maybe in PHP
2015-07-10 22:24 <Melanie_> LSL is very much unsuitable for large scale string manipulation
2015-07-10 22:24 <Melanie_> it's string handling is abysmally slow
2015-07-10 22:24 <w-t-h_> here's what i hate about php
2015-07-10 22:24 <Melanie_> and whil it does have JSON, it doesn't have built in XML/DOM handlin
2015-07-10 22:25 <w-t-h_> all those ive seen hack the opensim db directly and thus are brittle being closely locked to the db instead of the opensim rest-api
2015-07-10 22:25 <Melanie_> that is nothing that is wrong with php
2015-07-10 22:25 <Melanie_> it's how they used it
2015-07-10 22:25 <w-t-h_> as soon as opensim changes its db, php front ends break
2015-07-10 22:25 <Melanie_> ph can use xmlrpc to query remote_admin, it can use json sim stats, etc
2015-07-10 22:26 <Melanie_> it can also query system parameters like load per core and memory use per process
2015-07-10 22:26 <Melanie_> and combine that into a very informative whole
2015-07-10 22:26 <OtakuMegane_> That's more poor coding/design than PHP issues. ANy language can get hooked closely to a databse and break on any little change.
2015-07-10 22:26 <Melanie_> most of the information you'd want isn't in a database anyway
2015-07-10 22:31 <xxValiumxx> I'm going through the repo, and it looks like the nat loopback issue was fixed sometime in 2009.
2015-07-10 22:31 <xxValiumxx> but for some reason it's not working locally
2015-07-10 22:32 <xxValiumxx> Is it possible that it hasn't actually been fully implemented?
2015-07-10 22:33 <w-t-h_> xxValiumxx loopback there's a wiki page for that at opensimulator.org
2015-07-10 22:33 <xxValiumxx> yes, I read it
2015-07-10 22:33 <w-t-h_> usually its a network setup issue not opensim per se
2015-07-10 22:34 <w-t-h_> and every bodies likes to say 'they read the docs' but reading and doing is different
2015-07-10 22:34 <Melanie_> there are also some routers that simply don't do NAT loopback
2015-07-10 22:34 <xxValiumxx> Right, mine being one of them
2015-07-10 22:35 <xxValiumxx> I went ahead and set up a loopback adapter (works great), but that really messes up any other network comms
2015-07-10 22:36 <xxValiumxx> I'm looking at the code in OpenSim.Framework.NetworkUtil, and it appears that if you're on the same network segment, it should be reporting a different address than the outside IP
2015-07-10 22:37 <xxValiumxx> http://puu.sh/iUAzG.txt
2015-07-10 22:37 <Melanie_> that is localhost
2015-07-10 22:37 <Melanie_> means, same machine
2015-07-10 22:37 <xxValiumxx> right, in this case, I am on the same machine
2015-07-10 22:38 <Melanie_> local network segemnt is not really possble to detect because the router (perr for external connections) is _also_ on the local segemnt
2015-07-10 22:38 <xxValiumxx> theres a section under it for same lan segment
2015-07-10 22:38 <Melanie_> the IP handling is badly broken at the protocol level
2015-07-10 22:38 <Melanie_> the protocol was simply never designed for the hobbyist
2015-07-10 22:39 <Melanie_> it was designed for large hosted solutions
2015-07-10 22:39 <Melanie_> all these hacks are just that. hacks.
2015-07-10 22:39 <w-t-h_> a local box now-a-day can also include entire virtual networks
2015-07-10 22:39 <Melanie_> they may work but ymmv greatly
2015-07-10 22:39 <w-t-h_> the only thing that matters is that the ini's are setup to listen to an ip or domainname
2015-07-10 22:40 <Melanie_> the main issue at protocol level is that the payload contains literal ip addresses
2015-07-10 22:40 <w-t-h_> and your local firewall rules setup to allow the traffic
2015-07-10 22:40 <Melanie_> and those payloads are generated at a time where the actual peer ip isn't known
2015-07-10 22:41 <Melanie_> so assumptions have to be made
2015-07-10 22:43 <w-t-h_> and a local host 127.0.0.1 all ports are open
2015-07-10 22:44 <w-t-h_> so out of the box opensim is designed to use no router at all
2015-07-10 22:44 <w-t-h_> or firewall
2015-07-10 22:46 <xxValiumxx> well, I suppose the fact that NetworkUtil.GetIPFor() only has 4 calls should tell me something.
2015-07-10 22:46 <xxValiumxx> my guess would be not entirely implemented
2015-07-10 22:46 <w-t-h_> the easiest to do is blame software :P
2015-07-10 22:47 <xxValiumxx> I suppose I could learn a bit more about how it all works and go from there, trying to finish it up.
2015-07-10 22:47 <w-t-h_> opensim has been pounded on for over 8 years for netowrking
2015-07-10 22:48 <w-t-h_> and problems with setting up a standalone box on localhost is no networking 
2015-07-10 22:49 <Melanie_> it is not fixable
2015-07-10 22:49 <w-t-h_> since everybodies wanting to just quickly test opensim the dev's assume the easiest setup is a client viewer on the same box as the opensim server
2015-07-10 22:49 <Melanie_> the issue is a protocol definition issue
2015-07-10 22:49 <Melanie_> hard ip addresses in payloads don't work
2015-07-10 22:49 <Melanie_> that is why you can't really get active ftp to work anymore
2015-07-10 22:49 <Melanie_> why passive mode was created
2015-07-10 22:49 <Melanie_> same here
2015-07-10 22:50 <Melanie_> what is needed is viewers supporting a protocol extension that allows to not have literal ip addresses in payloads
2015-07-10 22:50 <Melanie_> but infer the ip addresses or use DNS
2015-07-10 22:50 <xxValiumxx> ^hear, hear
2015-07-10 22:50 <Melanie_> since BIND10 has "views" one can then set up a name to resolve differently inside than outside
2015-07-10 22:51 <w-t-h_> bind or any dns is for admins that know how to do networking
2015-07-10 22:52 <w-t-h_> and is not required at all for standalone opensim
2015-07-10 22:52 <Melanie_> of course
2015-07-10 22:52 <Melanie_> views or partial zones aren't for the faint of heart
2015-07-10 22:52 <Melanie_> right now fancy DNS would not solve the problem
2015-07-10 22:52 <Melanie_> but if the IP address payloads were replaced with names
2015-07-10 22:53 <Melanie_> they would then solve it for those who can't use NAT loopback
2015-07-10 22:53 <w-t-h_> any name discussion is synomous with dns
2015-07-10 22:53 <Melanie_> as i said
2015-07-10 22:53 <Melanie_> the protocol uses LITERAL IP addresses
2015-07-10 22:53 <Melanie_> not names
2015-07-10 22:53 <Melanie_> but it should use names
2015-07-10 22:53 <w-t-h_> unless your talking about development namespaces
2015-07-10 22:53 <Melanie_> to allow easy redirection
2015-07-10 22:54 <Melanie_> of course LL didn't even want people to redirect from their servers to own servers
2015-07-10 22:54 <Melanie_> because that would have exposed CAPS to the reverse engineering people
2015-07-10 22:54 <w-t-h_> then that sends the user down the rabbit hole of infinity of regressions
2015-07-10 22:54 <Melanie_> of course gridproxy put paid to all secrecy
2015-07-10 22:55 <w-t-h_> well secondlife supports squid proxy so i disagree
2015-07-10 22:55 <Melanie_> SL uses squid locally
2015-07-10 22:55 <Melanie_> it doesn't support anyone using anything as a proxy to connect to them
2015-07-10 22:56 <xxValiumxx> I suppose I'll just keep hacking away at this loopback problem, apart from opensim, then.
2015-07-10 22:56 <Melanie_> gridproxy is a part of libomv
2015-07-10 22:56 <w-t-h_> loopback has nothing to do with opensim
2015-07-10 22:56 <w-t-h_> but is usually a router issue and thus addressed on the wiki's
2015-07-10 22:56 <xxValiumxx> I know
2015-07-10 22:57 <xxValiumxx> that's why I said 'apart from'
2015-07-10 22:58 <w-t-h_> first order of loopback issue on localhost is a broken user computer
2015-07-10 22:58 <w-t-h_> e.g, incorrectly setup /etc/hosts or a resolver.conf package
2015-07-10 22:58 <Melanie_> loopback itself cannot break
2015-07-10 22:58 <Melanie_> a firewall can block it, though
2015-07-10 22:58 <Melanie_> so the first test for localhost connections is to disable the firewall
2015-07-10 22:58 <w-t-h_> well i assume any 127.0.0.1 is a local loopback
2015-07-10 22:59 <w-t-h_> but ive run like 50 loopbacks with different 127.0.x.x and ports to distinguish them
2015-07-10 22:59 <w-t-h_> such as running bsd jails
2015-07-10 22:59 <Melanie_> 127.0.0.1/8 is the defintion
2015-07-10 22:59 <Melanie_> so anything with the first octet of 127 is a loopback by definition
2015-07-10 23:00 <Melanie_> unless someone screwed with their network interfaces
2015-07-10 23:00 <w-t-h_> i think computer have about 3 different kinds of local networks by default
2015-07-10 23:00 <Melanie_> no
2015-07-10 23:01 <w-t-h_> and another one the spams the router looking for services
2015-07-10 23:01 <Melanie_> a computer without any wifi or wired network interfaces has one
2015-07-10 23:01 <Melanie_> the loopback
2015-07-10 23:01 <Melanie_> 127.0.0.1/8 and ::1
2015-07-10 23:01 <w-t-h_> 244.244.0.0 or something
2015-07-10 23:01 <Melanie_> that is a multicast address
2015-07-10 23:01 <Melanie_> it is not an interface
2015-07-10 23:01 <w-t-h_> the box looking for peers
2015-07-10 23:01 <Melanie_> it's a not normally routed address that can be used for multicest
2015-07-10 23:02 <Melanie_> if you run avahi/mdns/bonjour, it will broadcast requests
2015-07-10 23:02 <Melanie_> but that is not a core feature of the OS and can be disabled on all os
2015-07-10 23:02 <w-t-h_> oh you can forward stuff but requires usually firewall rules
2015-07-10 23:03 <w-t-h_> any incomming packets can be sent anywere redirected via addres or port
2015-07-10 23:03 <Melanie_> no, you can not forward multicast to the internet ever. you can forward it to the mbone but that is quite difficult
2015-07-10 23:03 <Melanie_> and not available on all ISPs
2015-07-10 23:03 <Melanie_> broadcast can't be forwarded at all
2015-07-10 23:03 <Melanie_> if your own network is multisegmeted, you can forward mdsn
2015-07-10 23:03 <Melanie_> mdns
2015-07-10 23:04 <Melanie_> using the multicast routing extensions your router should have
2015-07-10 23:04 <w-t-h_> for examlpe ive forgotten my exterior boxes names and just send via a ssh pipe to 127.0.0.1
2015-07-10 23:04 <Melanie_> this is your LAN router, NOT your WAN router
2015-07-10 23:04 <w-t-h_> but that vpn is wrapped and send out to say a mysql server on a lan address
2015-07-10 23:04 <Melanie_> vpn is a wholly different can of worms
2015-07-10 23:04 <Melanie_> which exists in many different flavours
2015-07-10 23:05 <w-t-h_> thus oepnsim can send all its traffic for db to loopback that actaully goes to any other box on lan
2015-07-10 23:05 <Melanie_> that is not VPN
2015-07-10 23:05 <Melanie_> that is DNAT
2015-07-10 23:05 <w-t-h_> ssh forwarding is a vpn :P
2015-07-10 23:05 <Melanie_> oh, ssh forwarding. no
2015-07-10 23:06 <Melanie_> it's not a vpn
2015-07-10 23:06 <w-t-h_> oke hehe
2015-07-10 23:06 <Melanie_> it's a port forward
2015-07-10 23:06 <Melanie_> a vpn is a different bestire
2015-07-10 23:06 <Melanie_> beatie
2015-07-10 23:06 <Melanie_> whatever
2015-07-10 23:06 <Melanie_> it's also terribly inefficient to use on a LAN
2015-07-10 23:07 <Melanie_> ssh tunneling becomes important where you can't do VPN (because of ISP/firewall restrictions) and you need to go beyond IP address security
2015-07-10 23:08 <Melanie_> it gives you pki security on a datastream
2015-07-10 23:08 <Melanie_> in your lan, that should not be needed
2015-07-10 23:08 <Melanie_> although it could be used as a secure bridge between lan and dmz
2015-07-10 23:08 <w-t-h_> lans are for hosting services :P
2015-07-10 23:08 <Melanie_> no
2015-07-10 23:08 <Melanie_> dmzs are for hosting services
2015-07-10 23:08 <Melanie_> lans are for connecting user workstatios
2015-07-10 23:09 <Melanie_> and considered trusted
2015-07-10 23:09 <w-t-h_> ex,g a print server, a backup rsync server,  a music server etc
2015-07-10 23:09 <Melanie_> a "service" in my book is an internet accessible service
2015-07-10 23:09 <Melanie_> private services are on the lan, of course
2015-07-10 23:10 <Melanie_> my printer is on the lan
2015-07-10 23:10 <Melanie_> but if i wanted to allow authentiated users from the internet to print on my printer
2015-07-10 23:10 <Melanie_> it would be moved to the dnz
2015-07-10 23:10 <Melanie_> and properly secured
2015-07-10 23:10 <Melanie_> you can run DMZ and lan on the same backbine by using VLANing
2015-07-10 23:10 <Melanie_> backbone
2015-07-10 23:11 <Melanie_> read the cisco docs :)
2015-07-10 23:11 <Melanie_> or 3com
2015-07-10 23:11 <w-t-h_> lol
2015-07-10 23:11 <w-t-h_> home users dont use cisco until they bought linksys :P
2015-07-10 23:11 <Melanie_> lol
2015-07-10 23:11 <Melanie_> 
ACTION moves to hide the 40U rack behind herself and fails miserably :)

2015-07-10 23:12 <xxValiumxx> Mine is only 10U
2015-07-10 23:12 <xxValiumxx> Q_Q
2015-07-10 23:12 <w-t-h_> (wonders aloud what the airconditioning bill runs on mels racks...)
2015-07-10 23:12 <xxValiumxx> but it's all good, I only have 2 1U servers in there anyhow
2015-07-10 23:13 <w-t-h_> (the future is containers and few big iron boxes)
2015-07-10 23:13 <w-t-h_> at least that's the hype of reduced foot prints in cost containment
2015-07-10 23:14 <Melanie_> well, i'm actually about to get rid of the infrastructure 
2015-07-10 23:14 <Melanie_> there are hardly any servers running on it anymore
2015-07-10 23:14 <Melanie_> mostly just dead cold iron
2015-07-10 23:14 <Melanie_> so all that stuff will go to ebay
2015-07-10 23:19 <w-t-h_> oh the new internel nets are using 10.0.x.x and 172.0.x.x depending on the container such as vbox, lxc, or docker
2015-07-10 23:19 <Melanie_> yup
2015-07-10 23:19 <Melanie_> if you believe in containers
2015-07-10 23:19 <w-t-h_> so more than three loopback routers on my host
2015-07-10 23:20 <Melanie_> no
2015-07-10 23:20 <w-t-h_> 10.0.0.1 i think is the default for lxc
2015-07-10 23:20 <Melanie_> internal network != loopback
2015-07-10 23:20 <w-t-h_> no?
2015-07-10 23:20 <Melanie_> an internal network is the same as an external one but the hardware is simulated
2015-07-10 23:20 <w-t-h_> it all goes over the same bus
2015-07-10 23:20 <Melanie_> 10.0.0.1 is your address on the internal network, for instance
2015-07-10 23:21 <Melanie_> 10.0.0.2 is the first appliance
2015-07-10 23:21 <Melanie_> etc
2015-07-10 23:21 <Melanie_> those ae considered separate hosts
2015-07-10 23:21 <Melanie_> if you run a local mysql, for instance
2015-07-10 23:21 <w-t-h_> ya virtual hosts
2015-07-10 23:21 <Melanie_> 127.0.0.1:3306 is that sql
2015-07-10 23:21 <Melanie_> 10.0.0.1:3306 also is but that is the same as it would be on a real interface
2015-07-10 23:21 <Melanie_> but mysql may not let you in
2015-07-10 23:21 <Melanie_> access control says you're something else
2015-07-10 23:22 <Melanie_> but 10.0.0.2:3306 would NOT be your local mysql
2015-07-10 23:22 <Melanie_> it's the mysql that may be contained in the appliance
2015-07-10 23:22 <Melanie_> so it is NOT a loopback
2015-07-10 23:22 <w-t-h_> i used to have to setup my own routers for chroot since old school uses the 127.0.0.1 or assigned lan ip
2015-07-10 23:22 <Melanie_> the loopback "lo" interfce is uinque in that it bounces back ANY packet on ANY port
2015-07-10 23:22 <w-t-h_> but now jails sets up their own stuff pretty much automatically
2015-07-10 23:23 <w-t-h_> well mine starts at lo0 on bsd
2015-07-10 23:23 <Melanie_> old school jails were too difficult to be routinely done 
2015-07-10 23:23 <Melanie_> people only had jails where the distro provided them
2015-07-10 23:23 <Melanie_> like for BIND
2015-07-10 23:23 <w-t-h_> they are getting new life in server pools via zfs
2015-07-10 23:23 <w-t-h_> amaizing stuff now
2015-07-10 23:24 <Melanie_> i'm no fan of docker, et al., because there is significant memory overhard and segementation
2015-07-10 23:24 <w-t-h_> docker is still wonky
2015-07-10 23:24 <Melanie_> i see their use for a quick test deploy 
2015-07-10 23:24 <Melanie_> and for the cloud
2015-07-10 23:24 <w-t-h_> but the scripting is fantasitc
2015-07-10 23:24 <Melanie_> but not for systems that are supposed to perform
2015-07-10 23:25 <w-t-h_> via git+go-lang
2015-07-10 23:25 <Melanie_> there, real knowledge and real setup can't be replaced
2015-07-10 23:25 <Melanie_> like ICEs. there's no replacement for displacement
2015-07-10 23:25 <w-t-h_> now you can have commits and rollbacks on jails
2015-07-10 23:26 <Melanie_> we had commits and rollback on SIMS since 2009
2015-07-10 23:26 <w-t-h_> if you like your session save it to a new commit and publish
2015-07-10 23:26 <Melanie_> since we have a git storage backend for opensim :)
2015-07-10 23:26 <Melanie_> it replaces the db
2015-07-10 23:26 <w-t-h_> im really liking the ease of use in docker as say lxc
2015-07-10 23:27 <w-t-h_> lxc requires rolling your own
2015-07-10 23:27 <Melanie_> ease of use is what they're for
2015-07-10 23:27 <w-t-h_> so does vbox
2015-07-10 23:27 <Melanie_> but the problem is when you move beyond the evaluation stage
2015-07-10 23:27 <Melanie_> "machine cycles are cheaper than brain cycles" doesn't hold true when you scle the machine cycles up
2015-07-10 23:27 <w-t-h_> which is awful as it tarballs huge gigs of filesystems
2015-07-10 23:28 <Melanie_> if i need 100 servers to host what i want, while less shoddy programming could have made 50 servers suffice
2015-07-10 23:28 <Melanie_> then brain cyles ARE cheaper than machine cycles
2015-07-10 23:28 <Melanie_> and i'd rather invest in the extra 2 person-months
2015-07-10 23:28 <Melanie_> than keep 200% of the servers i need forever
2015-07-10 23:30 <w-t-h_> oh the difference between opensim's git and docker is that docker keeps both source and binary systems that are ready to use
2015-07-10 23:30 <w-t-h_> instant publish and deploy
2015-07-10 23:30 <Melanie_> i think you're not getting my point
2015-07-10 23:30 <Melanie_> if you want to run 16 opensim servers on one machine
2015-07-10 23:31 <w-t-h_> with opensim use still roll your own after doing git fugitsu
2015-07-10 23:31 <Melanie_> with docker, you'd need to run 16 copies of the appliance
2015-07-10 23:31 <Melanie_> without, you just run 16 copies of the process
2015-07-10 23:31 <w-t-h_> oh that's application level
2015-07-10 23:31 <Melanie_> the appliance is much more heavyweight
2015-07-10 23:32 <Melanie_> and you may find that a server that can run 16 opensim processes will go down at 9 applances
2015-07-10 23:32 <w-t-h_> im just saying if you like someones setup you can deploy it since its been published
2015-07-10 23:32 <Melanie_> for lack of memory, mostly, as that is a static resource for appliances
2015-07-10 23:32 <Melanie_> otoh, of course appliances reduce cross-vulnerabilities
2015-07-10 23:32 <w-t-h_> right
2015-07-10 23:33 <Melanie_> like one process eating up all memory from the others, causing the kernel to kill, say, the mysqld. ouch
2015-07-10 23:33 <w-t-h_> in the past its hell and litterally dependency hell to be exact in setup cost
2015-07-10 23:33 <Melanie_> yes you do it only once
2015-07-10 23:33 <Melanie_> our servers are from an image
2015-07-10 23:33 <Melanie_> takes about 15 minutes from a new server assigned at the datacentre to an online sim box
2015-07-10 23:34 <Melanie_> including adjustments to all access rights and all lists across the system
2015-07-10 23:34 <Melanie_> all automated
2015-07-10 23:34 <Melanie_> editing our images is trivial
2015-07-10 23:34 <Melanie_> and making a new one is about 3 hours of work because we documented the process exceedingly well
2015-07-10 23:34 <w-t-h_> well each host uses different way to 'edit images'
2015-07-10 23:35 <Melanie_> this isn't what our hoster uses
2015-07-10 23:35 <w-t-h_> im not really fond of openvps or lxc, or vbox on that front
2015-07-10 23:35 <Melanie_> it's OUR own images
2015-07-10 23:35 <Melanie_> the hoster merely provides a minimal system we can log into
2015-07-10 23:35 <Melanie_> the rest is automated
2015-07-10 23:35 <w-t-h_> as all those are tarballs of entire host+applications
2015-07-10 23:35 <w-t-h_> and not deltas
2015-07-10 23:36 <Melanie_> deltas are dependent on the base you use
2015-07-10 23:36 <Melanie_> they fail if thebase is updated
2015-07-10 23:36 <Melanie_> so there is sense in complete images
2015-07-10 23:36 <Melanie_> but i'm no fan of excessive vritualization
2015-07-10 23:36 <w-t-h_> its a total rabbit hole
2015-07-10 23:36 <Melanie_> off with his head!
2015-07-10 23:37 <w-t-h_> but all i can say its better than the bad old days of baby sitting a KVM
2015-07-10 23:37 <w-t-h_> and dreaded cdroms lol
2015-07-10 23:38 <Melanie_> lol
2015-07-10 23:38 <Melanie_> all i use cdroms these days is to install legacy stuff into VMs
2015-07-10 23:38 <Melanie_> and to start xplane
2015-07-10 23:39 <w-t-h_> im pretty sure cdrom blueray etc are going to disappear in a few years
2015-07-10 23:39 <Melanie_> i'm certain they will
2015-07-10 23:39 <w-t-h_> as well as disappearance of all mechanical media pllayers
2015-07-10 23:39 <Melanie_> long term retention on high density optical media is shit
2015-07-10 23:40 <Melanie_> wrong
2015-07-10 23:40 <w-t-h_> since hug gigs are available on sim cards now
2015-07-10 23:40 <Melanie_> the humble turntable will remain
2015-07-10 23:40 <OtakuMegane_> It's interesting. When I was a kid, CDs/CD-ROMs were awesome new (expensive) things that held so much stuff. And they're already well on the way out.
2015-07-10 23:40 <w-t-h_> sdcard or usb thinggies
2015-07-10 23:40 <Melanie_> although even today it is used with timecode vinyl just for digital fine control
2015-07-10 23:40 <Melanie_> but a number of labels have gone back to vinyl publishing
2015-07-10 23:41 <Melanie_> driven by high demand from DJs
2015-07-10 23:41 <w-t-h_> oh the turntable is the highest filelity you can get
2015-07-10 23:41 <Melanie_> yes and no
2015-07-10 23:41 <OtakuMegane_> I'm picky about sound, but not that picky.
2015-07-10 23:41 <Melanie_> the SNR is shit compared to digital
2015-07-10 23:41 <w-t-h_> the conundrum with vynal is storage and retrival is costly
2015-07-10 23:41 <Melanie_> but the fidelity (true sound data) is better
2015-07-10 23:42 <Melanie_> because vinyl lacks a resolution
2015-07-10 23:42 <w-t-h_> maybe there's be a renewed market for printable vynal hehe
2015-07-10 23:42 <Melanie_> but considering that digital conversations have been laced with "comfort noise" for decades now
2015-07-10 23:42 <w-t-h_> 3d printer next big thing! hehe
2015-07-10 23:42 <OtakuMegane_> The vast majority of recording now is processed digitally though, so vinyl is sorta pointless for fidelity unless you're getting an analog copy of older music
2015-07-10 23:42 <Melanie_> and even CDs have been "enhanced" with vinly "noise"...
2015-07-10 23:43 <Melanie_> OtakuMegane_: try to get a tascam 24track analog tape machine with CompUMod installed these days
2015-07-10 23:43 <w-t-h_> (wraps up OtakuMegane_ in reel-to-reel mummy clothes)
2015-07-10 23:43 <OtakuMegane_> ><
2015-07-10 23:44 <w-t-h_> i remeber hellping my dad replace tubes and splice reels -_-
2015-07-10 23:44 <Melanie_> using 2" tape, interfaceable to a shodaow synchronizer, connected to a trident or soundcraft 24->8>2 board
2015-07-10 23:44 <Melanie_> you will find that you can't
2015-07-10 23:44 <Melanie_> because all that stuff goes at a premium these days
2015-07-10 23:44 <OtakuMegane_> Srsly though, once you process something digitally, any extra analog data is gone. And I'm aware of very little that is done purely analog from source to media any more.
2015-07-10 23:44 <Melanie_> and whoever has it holds on to it something fierce
2015-07-10 23:45 <Melanie_> OtakuMegane_: that percentage is rising
2015-07-10 23:45 <Melanie_> has been rising
2015-07-10 23:45 <Melanie_> for a while now
2015-07-10 23:45 <Melanie_> this is where you tread on my turf
2015-07-10 23:45 <Melanie_> i'm a sound engineer
2015-07-10 23:45 <OtakuMegane_> lol
2015-07-10 23:46 <Melanie_> done that professionally from '83 to 85 in LA
2015-07-10 23:46 <Melanie_> i built several studios
2015-07-10 23:46 <w-t-h_> (sees netbsd flag waiving beastie on top of mountain of old systems)
2015-07-10 23:46 <Melanie_> and was part fo a major motion picture's production
2015-07-10 23:46 <OtakuMegane_> What stuff is processed in pure analog, now?
2015-07-10 23:47 <w-t-h_> i think the mpa objected to dvd's when first introduced :P
2015-07-10 23:47 <Plugh> vinyl? yea, complete with all the noise from it. :)  Amazing in a way that it is making a come back.
2015-07-10 23:47 <w-t-h_> nobody's gonna want to go to the movies with these home movie disks!
2015-07-10 23:47 <Melanie_> OtakuMegane_: most of the horns in the new funk movement, many analogue parts of modern house/trance music
2015-07-10 23:47 <Melanie_> much of today's vocals
2015-07-10 23:48 <OtakuMegane_> Interesting
2015-07-10 23:48 <Melanie_> because analogue recordings offer a LOT more postprocessing possibilities
2015-07-10 23:48 <Melanie_> although the end result is digital
2015-07-10 23:48 <Melanie_> the initial recording is done analogue
2015-07-10 23:49 <Melanie_> or at least at 32bit float@96kHz digital
2015-07-10 23:49 <w-t-h_> i thnk most radiostations now pay for easy access to mp3 files :P
2015-07-10 23:49 <Plugh> CD's used to mark the music as AAD, ADD, or on occasion, DDD. Don't know if that is still the case with current day recordings.
2015-07-10 23:49 <Melanie_> w-t-h_: today's radio uses mp2
2015-07-10 23:49 <Melanie_> @320kbps, 16bt
2015-07-10 23:50 <OtakuMegane_> Digital is digital. No matter how high you sample it "loses data". It is inferior to analog. :P
2015-07-10 23:50 <OtakuMegane_> Or so it's claimed
2015-07-10 23:50 <Melanie_> OtakuMegane_: correct
2015-07-10 23:50 <Melanie_> but SNR is an issue so once you'r out of the studio, it degrade
2015-07-10 23:50 <Melanie_> s
2015-07-10 23:50 <Melanie_> digital never degrades after mastering, unless that is intentional
2015-07-10 23:50 <w-t-h_> they want it easy for Dj's to setup a play list with prerecorded commentary so that its easier to market
2015-07-10 23:51 <OtakuMegane_> But realistically, unless you have a sound system that cost 4 digits or more, you're not going to hear the difference unless you really really try instead of just listening to the music. You just aren't.
2015-07-10 23:51 <OtakuMegane_> And the vast majority of people have no issues with downloading or streaming stuff which is far worse quality than CD
2015-07-10 23:52 <Plugh> I still prefer buying music that comes in physical CD format.
2015-07-10 23:52 <OtakuMegane_> They just don't hear the difference or the device can't produce it
2015-07-10 23:52 <w-t-h_> digital dust jackets 
2015-07-10 23:53 <OtakuMegane_> It's like people who go to the Youtube video of Flux Pavillion's Bass Cannon and whine about no bass. Because they're listening on a phone or Walmart speakers.
2015-07-10 23:53 <Melanie_> i stopped buying digital media long ago
2015-07-10 23:53 <JeffKelley> did you try to sync start a CD and the same vinyl, equalize levels, switch blindly between both and ask your friends which is better? They all answer "number2" when number 2 is vinyl
2015-07-10 23:53 <Melanie_> these days all i buy from it beatport
2015-07-10 23:54 <Melanie_> JeffKelley: vinyl is "warmer"
2015-07-10 23:54 <w-t-h_> oh that reminds me of a rasperrypi demo i saw recently on making  a Kodi box or something
2015-07-10 23:54 <OtakuMegane_> I'll download/buy it on CD or online, whichever gets me a lossless copy. Assuming that's an option.
2015-07-10 23:54 <Melanie_> w-t-h_: i have a raspi based kodi box on every tv in the house
2015-07-10 23:54 <Melanie_> i just don't need media anymore
2015-07-10 23:55 <JeffKelley> analog distorsions are better tolerated than digital ones
2015-07-10 23:55 <Melanie_> my DJ stuff, i have on three hard disks and an SDHC card
2015-07-10 23:55 <w-t-h_> ive been wanting to setup one but would prefer a freebsd one with zfs but alas 1gig of memory defeats the features of that
2015-07-10 23:55 <Melanie_> i won't lose all of them at once
2015-07-10 23:55 <Melanie_> my pop stuff is in iCloud
2015-07-10 23:55 <Melanie_> because i don't play pop gig
2015-07-10 23:55 <Melanie_> s
2015-07-10 23:55 <OtakuMegane_> These days I really only get CDs because there's not a lossless copy online. Or in some cases that's the only form that exists.
2015-07-10 23:56 <Plugh> Melanie_: You probably know about the Pono music player device backed by Neil Young
2015-07-10 23:56 <w-t-h_> i'd like to sync a home movie server to my treadmill for jogging on mars  or something
2015-07-10 23:56 <Melanie_> OtakuMegane_: beatport delivers aac, so does itunes.
2015-07-10 23:56 <w-t-h_> should be fun with a big screen
2015-07-10 23:57 <OtakuMegane_> AAC is still compressed. I'll go with that if it's the only form published but otherwise I want as good as it can get.
2015-07-10 23:57 <Melanie_> Plugh: it's likely to only offer pop
2015-07-10 23:57 <Plugh> I'm after a CD of an album from almost 30 years ago. I thought I had all albums by the band but discovered all these years later there is a fifth album which I don't have.
2015-07-10 23:57 <w-t-h_> jogging through the sims i bet someone would pay for hehe
2015-07-10 23:57 <Melanie_> OtakuMegane_: aac is lossless compression
2015-07-10 23:57 <Plugh> Melanie_: It offers a lot of music -> https://ponomusic.force.com/
2015-07-10 23:58 <Melanie_> Plugh: the point is, I need 6+ minute DJ mixes, not 3:50 radio snippets of pop stuff
2015-07-10 23:58 <OtakuMegane_> No, it's lossy, unless there's a lossless version I'm unaware of. Of which I've never encountered on iTunes
2015-07-10 23:58 <Melanie_> and i already have 1059-1994 on vinyl
2015-07-10 23:59 <Melanie_> 1959*
2015-07-10 23:59 <Plugh> If you are DJ'ing for kids at clubs yea I can see that you do. Not quite what stuff I'd be likely to listen to.
2015-07-10 23:59 <OtakuMegane_> lol
2015-07-10 23:59 <Plugh> I don't think BeatPort is likely to have too much of interest to me.
2015-07-11 00:00 <Melanie_> Plugh: probably not
2015-07-11 00:00 <xxValiumxx> HUZZAH!  I got it to work.
2015-07-11 00:00 <Plugh> I've tried a few queries to see what popped up and no results.
2015-07-11 00:01 <w-t-h_> yippie, plz update the wiki's 
2015-07-11 00:01 <Melanie_> beatport offers NO POP
2015-07-11 00:01 <OtakuMegane_> I'm ok with that
2015-07-11 00:01 <Melanie_> it has a lot of genres but no pop ever
2015-07-11 00:01 <Melanie_> also, it's for new releases
2015-07-11 00:01 <Melanie_> if you're looking for ancient, go to itunes.com
2015-07-11 00:01 <Plugh> yea, I figured it was new stuff primarily
2015-07-11 00:01 <Plugh> I don't do digital downloads.
2015-07-11 00:01 <w-t-h_> oh toot its 5! 
2015-07-11 00:02 <Plugh> Someone realized it is time to go home?  :)
2015-07-11 00:02 <xxValiumxx> w-t-h_ I shall do so, dependant on if there are unexpected side effects.
2015-07-11 00:02 <Melanie_> Plugh: i may be 51 but i still play to the 18-25 crowd
2015-07-11 00:03 <Melanie_> as that's where the paydirt is
2015-07-11 00:03 <Plugh> well.. I don't tend to buy digital downloads of music. Depends on how you define "pop". Some popular music is in the rock category. There is also country too.
2015-07-11 00:03 <Plugh> 
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2015-07-11 00:03 <Melanie_> rock is dead. country is more so. at least over here
2015-07-11 00:03 <Melanie_> and so are live bands, have been for decades
2015-07-11 00:03 <Melanie_> DJ is it
2015-07-11 00:04 <Plugh> Wow. Perhaps I should be glad I'm not where you are if even live music is considered dead.
2015-07-11 00:04 <Melanie_> clubs have a dj, or, rather, a multi-floor-lineup
2015-07-11 00:04 <OtakuMegane_> Not much in the "mainstream" any more I bother with. Half the stuff I pick up now is from people just doing their own stuff. The other half is usually last century :)
2015-07-11 00:04 <Melanie_> no club has a band anymore
2015-07-11 00:04 <Melanie_> guitars are gone
2015-07-11 00:05 <Melanie_> it's all electronic music now
2015-07-11 00:05 <Plugh> I find it interesting when the people of the age to go to clubs discover music from years ago on YouTube and they leave comments saying they like the music more than what is played for them these days and how they wish they were around in the days of that music.
2015-07-11 00:05 <Melanie_> mooting the "analogue from end to end" argument
2015-07-11 00:05 <Melanie_> as the source is digital
2015-07-11 00:05 <OtakuMegane_> Exactly
2015-07-11 00:05 <Plugh> electronic music where people don't have to know how to play instruments.
2015-07-11 00:06 <Melanie_> the mechanical skill of playing an instrument is irrelevant tot he creativity of writing music
2015-07-11 00:06 <OtakuMegane_> You may not need to know how to physically play an instrument but you need to know as much or possibly more to make really good music, still.
2015-07-11 00:06 <Melanie_> in Germany, the current trend is to old skool funk
2015-07-11 00:07 <Melanie_> hiphop as a revival of rap had had it's day
2015-07-11 00:07 <Melanie_> now they're going back to the roots
2015-07-11 00:07 <Plugh> Going back to 70's era funk? 
2015-07-11 00:07 <Melanie_> i'm 51 and i started playing in '91
2015-07-11 00:07 <Melanie_> erm
2015-07-11 00:07 <Melanie_> '81
2015-07-11 00:07 <OtakuMegane_> So many eras XD
2015-07-11 00:07 <Melanie_> and i stated playing things like midnight star and the temptations and the whispers
2015-07-11 00:07 <Melanie_> and those are coming back now
2015-07-11 00:08 <Melanie_> and new music made in that image
2015-07-11 00:08 <Melanie_> i'm tickled pink because now my vinyl stoc (in trade) is becoming invaluable
2015-07-11 00:08 <Plugh> yea. The music I like most tends to range from 50's through end of the 80's for the most part with the last two decades of that range being a lot of the favourites.
2015-07-11 00:08 <Melanie_> as most of my gen DJs have tolssed it a decade ago
2015-07-11 00:09 <Melanie_> i see djs of my generation being booked solid in a few years
2015-07-11 00:09 <Plugh> I still have quite a few albums here in vinyl but its vintage stuff.
2015-07-11 00:09 <Melanie_> not that i'm 1 one trick horse
2015-07-11 00:10 <Plugh> If people there are mainly just interested in 6 or 7 minutes things with the same kind of backing beat as each other (as it often seems to be), how is it they will wind up being interested in the stuff found on vinyl from decades earlier?
2015-07-11 00:11 <Melanie_> ennui?
2015-07-11 00:11 <Melanie_> i used to mix chaka's "say i'm your number one" with princess' "Say I'm your number one"
2015-07-11 00:11 <Melanie_> try it for shits and giggles
2015-07-11 00:11 <Melanie_> to beatmix those two
2015-07-11 00:11 <Plugh> Always good to have a range of music types at your finger tips.
2015-07-11 00:11 <Melanie_> betcha you can't
2015-07-11 00:11 <Plugh> hehe... just don't tell them it is the music their parents used to listen to.  ;)
2015-07-11 00:11 <Melanie_> on vinyl, of course
2015-07-11 00:12 <Melanie_> nearly grandparents in this case
2015-07-11 00:12 <Plugh> yeah
2015-07-11 00:12 <Melanie_> not a single one of these kids knows percy sledge
2015-07-11 00:12 <Plugh> I'm only half decade older than you, Melanie_
2015-07-11 00:12 <Melanie_> or the big band era
2015-07-11 00:12 <Plugh> Oh, yeah. Percy Sledge. Nice. 
2015-07-11 00:13 <Melanie_> "when a man loves a woman"
2015-07-11 00:13 <Plugh> yea, big band era would definitely not be on their radar unless it wound up in a movie.
2015-07-11 00:13 <Plugh> yup
2015-07-11 00:13 <Melanie_> it did 
2015-07-11 00:13 <Melanie_> but it was an 80s move :P
2015-07-11 00:13 <Melanie_> "xanadu" fetured a big band/rock band merge scene
2015-07-11 00:13 <Plugh> Interesting that some current commercials have been using music from the 70's or 80's
2015-07-11 00:13 <Melanie_> brilliant
2015-07-11 00:14 <Plugh> That was an old movie. I was thinking it would have to be in something recent.
2015-07-11 00:14 <Melanie_> it combined 50's big band chick with 80s rock
2015-07-11 00:14 <Plugh> yea. I like that movie, and the music, at the time.
2015-07-11 00:14 <Plugh> s/like/liked/
2015-07-11 00:14 <Melanie_> i'm an undying ELO fan anyway
2015-07-11 00:14 <Plugh> I have a greatest hits album of theirs.
2015-07-11 00:14 <Plugh> on CD of course. :)
2015-07-11 00:15 <Melanie_> ELO, alan parson's project, marillion, journey. hard to top
2015-07-11 00:15 <Plugh> I don't know marillion but I'll agree with you on the others.
2015-07-11 00:15 <Melanie_> whenever i listen to marrilion's "keyleigh" the places mentiones flash before my eyes
2015-07-11 00:15 <Melanie_> as it's all london....
2015-07-11 00:15 <Plugh> I'd probably add Supertramp in there and Chicago.
2015-07-11 00:16 <Melanie_> yes, supertramp certainly
2015-07-11 00:16 <Plugh> Oh, and don't forget Moody Blues
2015-07-11 00:16 <Melanie_>  think i have everything they ever did
2015-07-11 00:16 <Melanie_> chicago, partially
2015-07-11 00:16 <Melanie_> i know i'm complete on ELO and alan parson's
2015-07-11 00:16 <Plugh> There are few bands for whom I have all their music. I seem to have albums here and there or just best of types.
2015-07-11 00:17 <Plugh> Only one I'm mostly complete on is Chris de Burgh.
2015-07-11 00:17 <Melanie_> there was a time in my life
2015-07-11 00:17 <Melanie_> when i would go to the record store once a week
2015-07-11 00:17 <Plugh> oh, and I'm complete on the Beatles original albums.
2015-07-11 00:17 <Melanie_> the staff knew me
2015-07-11 00:18 <Melanie_> they's have all new releases ready for me
2015-07-11 00:18 <Melanie_> i'd buy about 20-50 maxis each time
2015-07-11 00:18 <Plugh> nice of them to do that. A friend of mine used to buy LP's for the album cover art.
2015-07-11 00:18 <Melanie_> i never bought albuns unless a track i wanted wasn't on a maxi
2015-07-11 00:18 <Melanie_> or i wanted to complet a band/artist collection
2015-07-11 00:19 <Plugh> what are maxis?
2015-07-11 00:19 <Melanie_> today, i have about 5000 vinyls
2015-07-11 00:19 <Melanie_> you call tehm 12"
2015-07-11 00:19 <Plugh> oh the extended play type LP's vs standard 12"(?) vinyl albums.
2015-07-11 00:19 <Melanie_> a single pressed on an album sized record
2015-07-11 00:19 <Melanie_> better quaity
2015-07-11 00:20 <Plugh> Right.
2015-07-11 00:20 <Melanie_> US ones run at 33 1/3
2015-07-11 00:20 <Melanie_> EU ones at 45
2015-07-11 00:20 <Melanie_> i have lots of us pressed originals
2015-07-11 00:20 <Plugh> 33 1/3 was standard in North America for 12" vinyl
2015-07-11 00:21 <Plugh> IIRC, I have a copy of the soundtrack for the first Star Wars movie on vinyl.
2015-07-11 00:21 <xxValiumxx> okay, so what I did, was to add my external IP as an address to my network interface, with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.255
2015-07-11 00:21 <Melanie_> i may or may not have that anymore
2015-07-11 00:21 <Melanie_> i know i used to
2015-07-11 00:21 <Melanie_> but siz moves, three of them international, messed things up for sure
2015-07-11 00:22 <xxValiumxx> if I had opensim running on a different machine, this would of course, not work at all.
2015-07-11 00:22 <Melanie_> xxValiumxx: this means that you have effectively disabled people logging on from outside
2015-07-11 00:22 <Melanie_> remove that
2015-07-11 00:22 <Melanie_> now
2015-07-11 00:22 <Melanie_> look into proxy-arp
2015-07-11 00:22 <Melanie_> arp -s <ether> <ip>
2015-07-11 00:26 <xxValiumxx> actually, Melanie_ It's working
2015-07-11 00:26 <Melanie_> is that host windows?
2015-07-11 00:26 <xxValiumxx> it is.
2015-07-11 00:26 <Melanie_> aah ok
2015-07-11 00:27 <Melanie_> windows tcp is crippled
2015-07-11 00:27 <Melanie_> on windows this works
2015-07-11 00:27 <Melanie_> would not work on mac, linux, bsd
2015-07-11 00:27 <Melanie_> e.g. Real Operating Systems
2015-07-11 00:29 <Melanie_> otoh, worth adding to the wki pageas windows is the 90% solution
2015-07-11 00:29 <Melanie_> and i beleive no one has thought of this solution before
2015-07-11 00:29 <Melanie_> i may be a goddess-sent
2015-07-11 00:29 <Melanie_> it*
2015-07-11 00:32 <osmantis> Bug #7632:04 [Patch] New Network Statistics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7632 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-11 00:32 <xxValiumxx> appropriate that I actually have an old retired linden lab server sitting here.
2015-07-11 17:10 <AliciaRaven2> Melanie_ thanks, ill get working tonight and get some patches ready
2015-07-11 17:11 <Melanie_> should not be a whole lot of work
2015-07-11 17:11 <Melanie_> mainly all the stuff around having a vaiable data adapter, pretty much c&p from the regular asset server
2015-07-11 17:11 <Melanie_> some interface plumbing
2015-07-11 17:12 <AliciaRaven2> yep, i have it working here, so its just changing to conform with opensim standards in the data connector mainly
2015-07-11 17:12 <Melanie_> and some direct refs may now be broken because the service and the data module are in different namespaces now
2015-07-11 17:13 <AliciaRaven2> am i ok to pull that branch now?
2015-07-11 17:14 <Melanie_> i'm checking out some last little things
2015-07-11 17:14 <Melanie_> trying to build, too
2015-07-11 17:14 <Melanie_> just to see how bad it is :)
2015-07-11 17:15 <Melanie_> but sure, pull it
2015-07-11 17:16 <AliciaRaven2> ok, im making a coffee before i start so i will hold off :)
2015-07-11 17:16 <Melanie_> k
2015-07-11 17:16 <Melanie_> fixing some trivialities as I go
2015-07-11 17:18 <LittlefeatherQ> is http://opensimulator.org/ down? keep getting cant reach this page
2015-07-11 17:18 <danbanner> looks like opensimulator.org is not working
2015-07-11 17:18 <LittlefeatherQ> ok ty
2015-07-11 17:21 <H-H-H> yeah has been like that all day
2015-07-11 17:24 <Plugh> I'm back.
2015-07-11 17:24 <Melanie_> Plugh: looks like the server has already been deocommissioned
2015-07-11 17:25 <Plugh> Yea, I'm not surprised. It was a while back that things were moved when the old forge was about to go offline.
2015-07-11 17:25 <Plugh> Too bad something like https://github.com/nirvdrum/svn2git wasn't(?) used to help with migration to keep the old branch information.
2015-07-11 17:26 <Melanie_> it was done with git-svn
2015-07-11 17:26 <Melanie_> and tbh, no one thought branches would be in use
2015-07-11 17:26 <nebadon> i doubt there was many projects that had more than the master branch
2015-07-11 17:27 <Plugh> If it was done with git-svn shouldn't that have maintained the branches? Either way, it would have been worth keep the branches to fully preserve project history.
2015-07-11 17:28 <Melanie_> Plugh: i agree on the preservation aspect
2015-07-11 17:28 <Plugh> I'll look up my notes on git then create new branches of ossearch and osprofile for use with OpenSim 0.8.0
2015-07-11 17:28 <Melanie_> which is why my staff and I worked hard to transferr even 5 years dead projects
2015-07-11 17:28 <Melanie_> why are branhes needed for that?
2015-07-11 17:29 <Melanie_> have there been api changes?
2015-07-11 17:29 <danbanner> someone mind restarting opensimulator.org?
2015-07-11 17:29 <Plugh> yes, there are changes needed in module code so it will build with 0.8.1
2015-07-11 17:29 <Plugh> or at least with master. I forget which version of OS changed things.
2015-07-11 17:30 <danbanner> plugh: i think it was in 0.8.2
2015-07-11 17:30 <Plugh> danbanner: ok. I just remember I had to update the [assembly: ...] stuff at the top of the file for something later than 0.8.0
2015-07-11 17:30 <Melanie_> aah yes, right
2015-07-11 17:31 <AliciaRaven2> mono addins changes
2015-07-11 17:31 <Plugh> I have some changes for one of the modules to check in.
2015-07-11 17:31 <danbanner> plug: i modified the source to get it to build
2015-07-11 17:31 <Plugh> AliciaRaven2: ah, it was mono that required the change? I didn't know that. Thought it was an OS required change.
2015-07-11 17:32 <danbanner> if you need copies with changes its on http://download.osgrid.org
2015-07-11 17:32 <Melanie_> web server restarted
2015-07-11 17:32 <danbanner> thanks Melanie_
2015-07-11 17:32 <H-H-H> ty
2015-07-11 17:32 <Melanie_> not even mono
2015-07-11 17:32 <Melanie_> it was a change in opensim
2015-07-11 17:32 <AliciaRaven2> it was opensim, os changed the mono addins version which broke opensim modules, not mono
2015-07-11 17:33 <Plugh> ok, that is what I thought it was. An OS change.
2015-07-11 17:33 <Melanie_> i'm not happy with that because now modules that would work, were they allowed to load, will instead be refused. i don't think we need to be as picky as the linux kernel
2015-07-11 17:33 <danbanner> i dont see Melanie_'s commits on http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=shortlog&p=opensim&h=HEAD&pg=0
2015-07-11 17:33 <Plugh> I find it puzzling that the os.org webserver goes down at times. Apache is usually very reliable. Would be useful to track down what causes the problem with the webserver.
2015-07-11 17:33 <Melanie_> danbanner: they're in a branch
2015-07-11 17:34 <danbanner> ah ok
2015-07-11 17:34 <Melanie_> because the current state doesn't compile
2015-07-11 17:34 <Melanie_> AliciaRaven2 has just volunteered to make the changes needed to make FSAssets really Opensim-ish
2015-07-11 17:34 <Melanie_> so i pulled it into a branch for her to work on
2015-07-11 17:35 <Melanie_> and i did the prebuild black magic for it
2015-07-11 17:35 <AliciaRaven2> Plugh, apache is reliable untill the chinese overload it with vulnerability scans
2015-07-11 17:37 <Plugh> oh, is that what does it? If the probe is just against the webserver not a lot that can be done other than a firewall to help deal with SYN floods. 
2015-07-11 17:37 <Plugh> I've also been using fail2ban to help deal with the people that keep poking at the SSH port of a machine.
2015-07-11 17:37 <AliciaRaven2> its one possibility, my site was flooded with chinese requests constantly, since i blocked china its so much faster and more reliable
2015-07-11 17:38 <Plugh> 
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2015-07-11 17:38 <AliciaRaven2> Plugh, better to just change SSH port to a non standard, most sniffs will not try others, they just move on to the next server on their list
2015-07-11 17:38 <Plugh> It is interesting to look at the daily system log report to see what has been recorded in the log files.
2015-07-11 17:39 <AliciaRaven2> after we changed SSH to a different port, we went from 1000s of sniffs aday to zero
2015-07-11 17:39 <Plugh> AliciaRaven2: That would only help if someone doesn't try that hard to look for other open ports.
2015-07-11 17:39 <Melanie_> none of our systems accept passwords
2015-07-11 17:39 <Melanie_> it's all key only
2015-07-11 17:39 <Melanie_> so the sniffs are pointless
2015-07-11 17:40 <LittlefeatherQ> I hide my ports using port knocking
2015-07-11 17:40 <AliciaRaven2> yes plugh, but 99% of the time, its an automated script that tests and moves on when it cant connect
2015-07-11 17:40 <Plugh> AliciaRaven2: yea, a lot of script kiddies out there.
2015-07-11 17:45 <Plugh> Most of the attempts/scripts only try to login to ssh via root and I don't allow root logins so they will never get in.
2015-07-11 17:46 <AliciaRaven2> Plugh, my point is that even tho they wont get it, they will still take resources up trying, if its not on that port, they move on streight away instead of flooding with dumb password attempts
2015-07-11 17:47 <Melanie_> it's really strange enough how dumb these scripts are
2015-07-11 17:47 <AllenKerensky> Use geolocation with IPtables and filter out problematic countries: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1828559
2015-07-11 17:47 <Melanie_> i mean, if i probe a server and the reply doesn't include either password or keyboard-interactive, then there is no point in probing
2015-07-11 17:48 <Melanie_> they're wasting gigacycles probing walled up doors
2015-07-11 17:48 <AliciaRaven2> we block china totaly, as i said, its reduced the attack attempts and made the site ALOT faster and stopped apache needing restarting so oftern
2015-07-11 17:48 <AllenKerensky> not true Melanie_ if they can fingerprint the service on the point, and that service has an exploit because its been unpatched... it can be an open door without a login
2015-07-11 17:49 <Melanie_> that can happen with any service, not just ssh
2015-07-11 17:49 <Melanie_> the point is
2015-07-11 17:49 <Melanie_> if a script's only capability is dictionary attack
2015-07-11 17:49 <AllenKerensky> many CVEs today are remote exploit without login, and yes, that's what I was trying to make clear - not just SSH - any open listening service with a vulnerability
2015-07-11 17:49 <Melanie_> then it should not attempt more than one login when password is not an auth method
2015-07-11 17:49 <H-H-H> even opensim :P
2015-07-11 17:50 <AllenKerensky> internet security is so bad, Carna botnet was built using only default passwords for network gear
2015-07-11 17:50 <Plugh> fail2ban automatically adds machines to the firewall so they are blocked from all access to the machine after 5 login attempts. If the other users of the machine are using programs that can specify the ssh port I could change the one used by sshd. Security by obscurity only gets you so far though.
2015-07-11 17:51 <AllenKerensky> security is still based on moats and walls design - check out CISecurity.org for their security benchmark PDFs for various OS and network devices - take the basic steps to build your castle at all layers
2015-07-11 17:51 <Plugh> If I change the port I should tell the firewall to drop connections to the standard ssh port instead of denying access. That will slow them down a little.
2015-07-11 17:51 <Plugh> They won't get an immediate response and will have to wait for a time out.
2015-07-11 17:51 <AllenKerensky> tarpitting also takes up resources on your tarpit machine holding their conneciton option
2015-07-11 17:52 <Plugh> grr... darn cat is calling for me again. At least I got about an hours peace after lunch.
2015-07-11 18:07 <nebadon> nice, finally figured out a good use for shrink wrap modifier in blender :)
2015-07-11 18:07 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/shrinkwrap_001.png
2015-07-11 18:07 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/shrinkwrap_002.png
2015-07-11 18:07 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/shrinkwrap_003.png
2015-07-11 18:07 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/shrinkwrap_004.png
2015-07-11 18:09 <Melanie_> what am i seeing there?
2015-07-11 18:09 <nebadon> I used shrink wrap modifier to make mesh strips that conform to the parking lot mesh
2015-07-11 18:09 <nebadon> so i could paint parking lot stripes
2015-07-11 18:10 <nebadon> its a single repeating texture
2015-07-11 18:10 <nebadon> its not super obvious in those pics
2015-07-11 18:10 <nebadon> but that parking lot is not flat at all
2015-07-11 18:10 <Melanie_> k
2015-07-11 18:11 <nebadon> im finally learning how to texture stuff in blender :)
2015-07-11 18:11 <nebadon> first time i ever really successfully used shrink wrap too :)
2015-07-11 18:12 <Plugh> I watched a couple of videos recently on some addons for Blender that looked quite useful.
2015-07-11 18:12 <nebadon> trying to get away from using prims when I can
2015-07-11 18:13 <nebadon> here Melanie_
2015-07-11 18:13 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/shrinkwrap_005.png
2015-07-11 18:13 <nebadon> this gives you better perspective of why prims wasnt an option :)
2015-07-11 18:14 <Melanie_> k
2015-07-11 18:14 <nebadon> if only the world were truly flat
2015-07-11 18:15 <Plugh> nebadon: what does it do? I can't really tell from the pictures
2015-07-11 18:15 <nebadon> things would be so much simpler
2015-07-11 18:15 <nebadon> it lets me take a flat plane subdivide
2015-07-11 18:15 <nebadon> and project it onto the surface of an already existing mesh
2015-07-11 18:15 <nebadon> ie: shrinkwrap it
2015-07-11 18:15 <nebadon> like plasticwrap your meat or something :)
2015-07-11 18:15 <Plugh> Right. 
2015-07-11 18:16 <nebadon> its nice because I can take those strips, project them where i want the stripes painted
2015-07-11 18:16 <Plugh> Then you texture the one flat plane instead of what it sits on?
2015-07-11 18:16 <nebadon> do a very clean unwrap of that strip
2015-07-11 18:16 <nebadon> then just apply a single repeating texture to its face
2015-07-11 18:16 <nebadon> right
2015-07-11 18:16 <nebadon> talk about a time saver
2015-07-11 18:16 <nebadon> tried to do it using prims
2015-07-11 18:17 <nebadon> after an hour I had 2 rows done
2015-07-11 18:17 <nebadon> decided I had to find a better way :)
2015-07-11 18:17 <nebadon> its so much more efficient this way too
2015-07-11 18:17 <nebadon> loads a lot faster
2015-07-11 18:18 <Plugh> how are the vertices counts?
2015-07-11 18:18 <nebadon> it was like 11000 vertices for the entire parking lot
2015-07-11 18:19 <Plugh> btw, did you know that 2.75a was released a few days ago?
2015-07-11 18:19 <nebadon> yea
2015-07-11 18:19 <nebadon> i use many different versions of blender still
2015-07-11 18:19 <nebadon> becasue of plugins
2015-07-11 18:19 <nebadon> i literally have like 15 versions of blender installed
2015-07-11 18:19 <nebadon> lol
2015-07-11 18:20 <Plugh> eek
2015-07-11 18:20 <Plugh> wouldn't it make more sense to update the plugins?
2015-07-11 18:20 <nebadon> yes
2015-07-11 18:20 <nebadon> but sometimes there are not updates
2015-07-11 18:20 <nebadon> or they tend to work better on a very specific version
2015-07-11 18:20 <Plugh> Update them yourself. :)
2015-07-11 18:20 <nebadon> easier to have 15 versions of blender
2015-07-11 18:20 <nebadon> lol
2015-07-11 18:21 <Plugh> Must be hard to keep track of which version contains what set of plugins.
2015-07-11 18:21 <nebadon> not really
2015-07-11 18:21 <nebadon> i use it often enough
2015-07-11 18:21 <nebadon> if i went a month without touching blender it would probably suck
2015-07-11 18:21 <nebadon> lol
2015-07-11 18:22 <Plugh> yeah. I forget how to do some basic things in Blender when I don't use it for a while.
2015-07-11 18:22 <nebadon> and really the better I get at blender
2015-07-11 18:22 <nebadon> the less reliant I become on plugins
2015-07-11 18:22 <Plugh> You must also have figured out how to load the files in to different versions of Blender where the UI has changed.
2015-07-11 18:23 <nebadon> well since 2.5 the UI hasnt changed drastically
2015-07-11 18:23 <nebadon> i never did much on blender 2.49
2015-07-11 18:23 <nebadon> i just could never grasp the old UI
2015-07-11 18:23 <nebadon> the new UI just sort of instantly clicked with me
2015-07-11 18:23 <Plugh> I found the space navigator device worked better in 2.49
2015-07-11 18:24 <nebadon> I do not find the space navigator helpful with modeling at all
2015-07-11 18:24 <Plugh> You should have seen the UI back in 1.5 and a bit earlier.
2015-07-11 18:24 <nebadon> for me its strictly for machinima
2015-07-11 18:24 <nebadon> I imagine though in blender space navigator might be good for recording camera tracks
2015-07-11 18:24 <nebadon> if you even can
2015-07-11 18:24 <Plugh> I found the SN was really handy for moving around the objects. Rotating, panning, etc. without having to twist my fingers in to knots.
2015-07-11 18:25 <nebadon> for me I constantly accidently hit it
2015-07-11 18:25 <Plugh> I have a plug-in for camera movement.
2015-07-11 18:25 <nebadon> making my screen move and inopportune moments
2015-07-11 18:25 <Plugh> oh. My SN is on the left and the mouse is on my right. 
2015-07-11 18:26 <Plugh> So far I haven't bumped the SN at the wrong time.
2015-07-11 18:26 <nebadon> funny a few times I hadnt realized something leaning on the SN
2015-07-11 18:26 <nebadon> trying to figure out why my screen is moving on its own
2015-07-11 18:26 <Plugh> hehe
2015-07-11 18:27 <Plugh> The SN is also very useful when I'm working in Rhino. I have the buttons programmed to switch to the next view and to change one view to full screen and back.
2015-07-11 18:27 <nebadon> nice
2015-07-11 18:27 <Plugh> I don't tend to use the buttons on the SN in blender that much.
2015-07-11 18:28 <nebadon> ya for me in blender is all about short cuts on the keyboard
2015-07-11 18:28 <Plugh> 
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2015-07-11 18:28 <nebadon> i tend to use the keypad to roate view incrementally
2015-07-11 18:28 <Plugh> nebadon: if you want to have some fun building something, check out ->  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2uY7rjhhMs
2015-07-11 18:28 <Plugh> 
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2015-07-11 18:30 <Plugh> nebadon: if you don't already know about it, take a look at http://www.godotengine.org/wp/download/bettercollada.zip
2015-07-11 18:30 <Plugh> Supposed to be a better Collada exporter than the one built-in to Blender.
2015-07-11 18:30 <nebadon> dead link
2015-07-11 18:30 <nebadon> is it for blender?
2015-07-11 18:31 <Plugh> The bettercollada.zip exporter is for Blender
2015-07-11 18:31 <nebadon> nixw
2015-07-11 18:31 <Plugh> which is a dead link? The one to the YouTube page?
2015-07-11 18:31 <nebadon> nice*
2015-07-11 18:32 <nebadon> no the bettercollada
2015-07-11 18:32 <nebadon> but i found proper link
2015-07-11 18:32 <Plugh> oh, ok
2015-07-11 18:32 <Plugh> nebadon: There is also this video about Blender addons ->  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihrQU4LNtC0
2015-07-11 18:33 <Plugh> IIRC, many of them are available in Blender already and just have to be enabled.
2015-07-11 18:34 <nebadon> nice
2015-07-11 18:34 <nebadon> I want to make a nice blender learning hub sim
2015-07-11 18:35 <Plugh> That would be good.
2015-07-11 18:38 <Plugh> A lot to learn just in some basic UI features. I have trouble remembering how to snap things to points on the grid, or in relation to each other when I don't use it for a while.
2015-07-11 18:40 <Plugh> When you start work on a blender learning hub let me know.
2015-07-11 18:46 <nebadon> k ya I have a panel I made a while back that has the CG Cookie Tutorials on it
2015-07-11 18:46 <nebadon> I think I will start with that
2015-07-11 18:46 <Plugh> ok
2015-07-11 18:46 <nebadon> mostly I just want to start archiving and displaying good tutorials
2015-07-11 18:46 <Plugh> 
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2015-07-11 18:47 <nebadon> we are kind of working on some of that stuff over at Avacon too
2015-07-11 18:47 <Plugh> I should archive the odd tutorial on doing some things. 
2015-07-11 18:47 <Plugh> Like snapping points to a grid or in relation to other points.
2015-07-11 18:48 <Plugh> Forgetting basic stuff like that is why I wind up modelling in Rhino and then exporting the model for import into Blender
2015-07-11 18:49 <Plugh> Any one around who uses monodevelop for compiling C# code?
2015-07-11 18:50 <Plugh> nebadon: Someone did a really nice job on creating a 3D model of Tyrion Lannister from Game of Thrones -> http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?372859-Tyrion
2015-07-11 18:51 <nebadon> I saw that
2015-07-11 18:54 <Plugh> Great, all of a sudden YouTube has decided my flash player in Firefox is vulnerable and won't let me watch videos. 
2015-07-11 18:55 <Plugh> Ah, managed to make it accept the player.
2015-07-11 18:56 <AllenKerensky> Plugh there is an update on the adobe site - its just a single rev number change
2015-07-11 18:56 <Plugh> I'm not on Windows.
2015-07-11 18:56 <AllenKerensky> me either
2015-07-11 18:56 <AllenKerensky> I had to remove the adobe repo rpm, download a new one, and reload it - then the new version was found
2015-07-11 18:57 <AllenKerensky> adobe changed something in their repo so the update wasn't picked up by people using the older repo 
2015-07-11 18:59 <LittlefeatherQ> Plugh i use monodevelop
2015-07-11 19:00 <Plugh> I have the one that ships with my repo. I think I have to use the .tar.gz file from adobe as the .deb package is for a rather old version.
2015-07-11 19:00 <Plugh> LittlefeatherQ: Have you figured out how to make it work with MySQL? I can't get it to recognize MySQL.Data.*
2015-07-11 19:01 <LittlefeatherQ> odd because monodevelop should come with mysql data connectors
2015-07-11 19:02 <Plugh> I had it working in Linux Mint 14 but I can't get it to use MySQL in Mint 17.
2015-07-11 19:02 <LittlefeatherQ> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/connector-net/en/connector-net-installation-unix.html
2015-07-11 19:03 <LittlefeatherQ> try this article
2015-07-11 19:03 <Plugh> I've downloaded the connectors but I can't figure out what to do with them. The package is called "no-install" but you have to do something with the package. All the recipes I've tried are out of date or just don't work.
2015-07-11 19:03 <Plugh> Seen it, tried, it, doesn't work.
2015-07-11 19:04 <Plugh> It doesn't tell you what to do when you have the file of connectors from MySQL containg RT, v2.0, v3.5, v4.0, and v4.5 directories as to which one should be installed.
2015-07-11 19:05 <H-H-H> those look like they resemble the .net versions 
2015-07-11 19:08 <LittlefeatherQ> first issue command sudo gacutil -u MySql.Data then you need to rename mysql.data.dll MySql.Data.dll in the v2 or v4 flder then inside that folder try sudo gacutil -i MySql.Data.dll i tried it and reloaded opensim project and it compile correctly0,00 
2015-07-11 19:09 <LittlefeatherQ> in the refrence window MySql.Data.dll should be visible
2015-07-11 19:10 <LittlefeatherQ> this is assuming you are using ubuntu 12.04
2015-07-11 19:14 <Plugh> It isn't case sensitivy on the files. They have the correct name.
2015-07-11 19:15 <Plugh> This is for my own project that is used in relation to OpenSim. How do I determine which of three versions to install?
2015-07-11 19:15 <Plugh> or should I install all three?
2015-07-11 19:18 <Plugh> I installed all three and MD has no MySQL reference available.
2015-07-11 19:26 <Plugh> I'll try filing a bug report against MD. If that doesn't help I'll have to write this program in something other than C#
2015-07-11 19:27 <Plugh> And the cat has started calling for me yet again. *sighs*  I'm just not getting anything done today.
2015-07-11 19:35 <Melanie_> adding the MySQL.Data.dll to the GAC is a bad idea if the code is to be distributed
2015-07-11 19:36 <Melanie_> because it would have to be done by everyone who wants to run it
2015-07-11 19:36 <Melanie_> in the case of distribution, it's better to include the dll in bin/
2015-07-11 19:36 <Melanie_> like we do for OpenSim
2015-07-11 20:07 <Plugh> It won't be distributed but it might get around the problem of MD not being able to find the MySQL connector.
2015-07-11 20:26 <Plugh> ok, I finally found a way to get MD to be happy about the MySQL reference.
2015-07-11 20:27 <Plugh> I'll document it in a while so I can remember how I fixed the problem. Right now I have the cat calling for me yet again. Its about as bad as a baby wanting attention about once an hour.  :{
2015-07-11 20:27 <Plugh> I'm going to give up trying to get any work done and just go for a walk and get away from cat for a while. bbl.
2015-07-11 20:50 <AliciaRaven2> Melanie_, HashToPath creates a 2 tier directory structure and the comment says thats for OSGrid server, should i change it to the 3 tier directory path that is commented out underneath?
2015-07-11 21:21 <Melanie_> it's a matter for discussion
2015-07-11 21:21 <Melanie_> i had left it in to maybe make it an option
2015-07-11 21:21 <Melanie_> we love our options
2015-07-11 21:22 <AliciaRaven2> ok cool
2015-07-11 21:23 <Melanie_> The 3-tiered structure is what Avination uses
2015-07-11 21:23 <Melanie_> the old OSGrid data was structured in 2 tiers
2015-07-11 21:23 <Melanie_> rather than adjust terabytes of data, i made the code fit the data
2015-07-11 21:25 <AliciaRaven2> ok, for now i will change it back to the 3 tier, but leave the other option for future options
2015-07-11 21:25 <Melanie_> k
2015-07-12 00:42 <osmantis> Bug #7639:04 [PATCH] Bring FSAssets closer to OpenSim conventions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7639 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-07-12 00:44 <AliciaRaven2> Melanie_ patch is ready, let me know if i missed anything when u get chance to look, im guessing your asleep as its almost 2am now lol
2015-07-12 00:44 <AliciaRaven2> thanks
2015-07-12 00:44 <Melanie_> no i'm here
2015-07-12 00:46 <AliciaRaven2> i was looking at the existing asset service, im confused as to why it inherits from an abstract class which inherits from the interface, all other services just inherit from the interface directly
2015-07-12 00:49 <Melanie_> it's the oldest service
2015-07-12 00:49 <Melanie_> back then a group of original core developers believed that everything in opensim should be XXXBase and XXXImpl
2015-07-12 00:50 <Melanie_> with the idea that additional services should inherit XXXBase
2015-07-12 00:50 <Melanie_> that philosophy has long since been dropped
2015-07-12 00:50 <Melanie_> but the code survives in the oldest parts of OS
2015-07-12 00:51 <AliciaRaven2> i see
2015-07-12 00:51 <Melanie_> for the future
2015-07-12 00:51 <Melanie_> you mixed pure whitespace changes and actual code changes
2015-07-12 00:52 <Melanie_> it's our convention that patches should either change code (preserving formatting) OR change whitespace
2015-07-12 00:52 <Melanie_> never both
2015-07-12 00:52 <Melanie_> properly done, this would be two patches - a functional patch and a whitespace patch adding the excess spacing
2015-07-12 00:53 <AliciaRaven2> oops i did know that, sorry
2015-07-12 00:53 <Melanie_> which would have given us the opportunity to reject the whitespace patch as that sort of vertical formatting is NOT opensim standard
2015-07-12 00:53 <AliciaRaven2> vertical formating?
2015-07-12 00:53 <Melanie_> putting all the equals signs in the same column
2015-07-12 00:54 <Melanie_> it's not done
2015-07-12 00:54 <Melanie_> everyone uses different editors
2015-07-12 00:54 <Melanie_> what looks great in monodevelop may look mediocre in emacs and shitty in c1
2015-07-12 00:54 <Melanie_> v
2015-07-12 00:54 <Melanie_> erm
2015-07-12 00:54 <Melanie_> vi
2015-07-12 00:54 <AliciaRaven2> oh yes, thats a habbit of mine, makes it abit easier to read, i wont do it again
2015-07-12 00:54 <Melanie_> it's not out coding standard
2015-07-12 00:55 <AliciaRaven2> i use vs 2012
2015-07-12 00:55 <Melanie_> can you rework the patch to omit the formatting canges?
2015-07-12 00:55 <AliciaRaven2> sure
2015-07-12 00:55 <Melanie_> what we want is minimum lines in diff
2015-07-12 00:55 <Plugh> You don't like = signs to be vertically aligned in OS code? Interesting.
2015-07-12 00:55 <Melanie_> it doesn't look right in various editors
2015-07-12 00:55 <Melanie_> it's just not done
2015-07-12 00:55 <Melanie_> i didn't create the convention
2015-07-12 00:56 <Melanie_> but we have over 10 different editors in use across our contributors and committers
2015-07-12 00:56 <Plugh> Some of the editors are using variable width characters? I would have thought it would be ok in any typical text based editors as long as the code isn't using tabs to line things up.
2015-07-12 00:56 <Melanie_> so least common denominator has always been the goal
2015-07-12 00:56 <AliciaRaven2> i did it in the interface also, to align the method names
2015-07-12 00:56 <Melanie_> there used to even be an "needs to look food in 80 cols" rule
2015-07-12 00:56 <Melanie_> that was relaxed later and then dropped
2015-07-12 00:57 <Melanie_> AliciaRaven2: for methos names in interfaces, there is precedent - LSL_API's interface is formatted that way
2015-07-12 00:57 <Melanie_> so that is ok, i'd say
2015-07-12 00:58 <Melanie_> you need to understand
2015-07-12 00:58 <Melanie_> i'm not the _maker_ of the rules, just the _keeper_ of the rules
2015-07-12 00:58 <Melanie_> i DO like the formatting you did, AliciaRaven2 
2015-07-12 00:58 <Melanie_> it's just not common in code
2015-07-12 00:59 <Melanie_> and unless we want to refactor all, it should be a uniform appearance by not using that sort fo formatting
2015-07-12 00:59 <Melanie_> in isolated cases
2015-07-12 00:59 <Melanie_> all i'm about is to keep the code base  consistent in some small way
2015-07-12 00:59 <AliciaRaven2> Melanie_, did u see i included a time limit config option to only update access times if they are older than x days? is that ok? its from the xassets, seemed to be a good idea to reduce db calls
2015-07-12 01:00 <Melanie_> and i'd even argue FOR accepting a whitespace patch to do what you did
2015-07-12 01:00 <Melanie_> then we could agree on accepting it and do it :)
2015-07-12 01:00 <AliciaRaven2> so if the access time is recent, it skips updating it
2015-07-12 01:00 <Melanie_> just can't let it in by the backdoor
2015-07-12 01:01 <Melanie_> it's a moot point in most cases as any grid large enough to run fsassets would run a "noatime" system and probably comment this database updating as well. but yes, fwiw it's a good addition
2015-07-12 01:02 <Melanie_> i'm sorry to make extra work for you. your effort is certainly appreciated. but there is a project culture and I don't believe any single person can just call a change on it
2015-07-12 01:03 <AliciaRaven2> its ok, ive been asked by justin to change things to fit the convention so its not a surprise lol
2015-07-12 01:03 <Melanie_> yes, he also used to be a guardian of the Culture
2015-07-12 01:04 <Melanie_> now that he's gone more of it falls to me
2015-07-12 01:04 <AliciaRaven2> last one he asked me was about my commit messages, a quick description then more detail after a new line
2015-07-12 01:04 <Melanie_> yes. the bot in chat only shows a few lines and viewgit only shows the first line
2015-07-12 01:05 <Melanie_> so the first line should summarize what's in the patch
2015-07-12 01:05 <Melanie_> saving people from having to clone and log it to read the full text
2015-07-12 01:05 <Melanie_> if your synopsis is more than 80 chars, just let it wrap, don't hit enter. easy :)
2015-07-12 02:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #4245 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-07-12 02:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4245: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4245/
2015-07-12 02:23 <osjenkins> * melanie: Add main FSAssetsService
2015-07-12 02:23 <osjenkins> * melanie: Rename for uniformity, add data module
2015-07-12 02:23 <osjenkins> * melanie: Some cleanup, add prebuild project, correct path
2015-07-12 02:23 <osjenkins> * melanie: More cleanup, add missing refs to prebuild, remove refs to stuff not
2015-07-12 02:23 <osjenkins> * melanie: Bringing FSAssets more inline with current OpenSim standards. * If no connection string found in assets config, fallback to using default database config * Create database storage interface to allow other db connectors to be written at some point * Add MySQL migrations file to create the initial db table * Added new config option named DaysBetweenAccessTimeUpdates to reduce db load by only updating access times when fetching assets if
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2015-07-12 06:12 <djphil> hello, I would like to know if this problem is known in Release 0.0.1 http://pastebin.com/P7imBwuU ?
2015-07-12 06:13 <djphil> 0.8.1* oops!
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2015-07-12 10:47 <JunkHunk> hey to run npc do I need to change default OSSL threat level?
2015-07-12 11:04 <JunkHunk> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OSSLNPC
2015-07-12 14:09 <frank_> Any word/work or progress on Onlook?
2015-07-12 15:52 <djphil> Hello, i would like to know if this [GETTEXTURE] problem is known in 0.8.1 Release http://pastebin.com/P7imBwuU ?
2015-07-12 15:55 <Plugh> You've got something strange going on. That UUID would indicate a standard OS resource. It shouldn't have parse errors.
2015-07-12 15:56 <Plugh> One thought, have you double checked your DB connection strings?
2015-07-12 15:58 <djphil> no, i checked nothing at now, just ask if is a know issue
2015-07-12 16:03 <Plugh> Not known to me.
2015-07-12 16:03 <Plugh> Is this a fresh install of OS or one you have been running for a while?
2015-07-12 16:07 <djphil> i'm on Windows Seven
2015-07-12 16:09 <djphil> with xampp v5.6.3
2015-07-12 16:09 <djphil> last one is v5.6.8 ...
2015-07-12 16:10 <djphil> mysql is 5.6.21
2015-07-12 16:31 <djphil> it running for a while
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2015-07-13 05:49 <xxValiumxx> I really need to learn more about how the protocol works.
2015-07-13 05:56 <xxValiumxx> hang on... Is all the communication done using XML-RPC ?
2015-07-13 06:06 <AliciaRaven2> xxValiumxx, it depends on the module, some use CAPS or XML-RPC and others use REST, depending on when it was written and who wrote it
2015-07-13 06:06 <AliciaRaven2> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Known_Web_Interfaces_within_OpenSim
2015-07-13 06:07 <xxValiumxx> hmm... I don't know what CAPS is, I should look that up
2015-07-13 06:07 <AliciaRaven> CAPS is developed by linden labs for SL
2015-07-13 06:08 <xxValiumxx> ah, so an in-house/proprientary protocol then?
2015-07-13 06:09 <AliciaRaven> is opensource or it wouldnt be used in os
2015-07-13 06:09 <xxValiumxx> I meant proprietary as in created for SL specifically
2015-07-13 06:10 <AliciaRaven> yes
2015-07-13 06:10 <AliciaRaven> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Capabilities
2015-07-13 06:12 <xxValiumxx> my interest is in modifying OS such that it doesn't matter who the creator of an object is, it would appear to your client that you are the creator of said object.
2015-07-13 06:12 <xxValiumxx> I'm working with someone and we're using it as more of a collaborative 3d modeling program.
2015-07-13 06:13 <AliciaRaven> could just disable permissions in the config i think
2015-07-13 06:14 <xxValiumxx> that's certainly something to try.  I was using the Collada export in Firestorm to save builds
2015-07-13 06:14 <xxValiumxx> I'm not certain it will save meshes you aren't the creator of
2015-07-13 06:15 <AliciaRaven> viewer will probably enforce blocks even if the server is open
2015-07-13 06:16 <AliciaRaven> you could just make both avatars god user level
2015-07-13 06:16 <xxValiumxx> yeah, unless I use one of _those_ viewers.
2015-07-13 06:16 <xxValiumxx> which, frankly, I'd rather not.
2015-07-13 06:18 <dahlia> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Protocol
2015-07-13 06:19 <xxValiumxx> I looked at that dahlia, somewhat sparse.
2015-07-13 06:19 <dahlia> lots there if you follow links
2015-07-13 06:46 <AliciaRaven> dahlia, do u know the difference between WorldMapModule and MapImageServiceModule? they are both generating map tiles on startup, seems a waste of resources
2015-07-13 06:51 <dahlia> AliciaRaven: no :)
2015-07-13 06:52 <dahlia> I use a bot to make maptiles
2015-07-13 06:52 <AliciaRaven> k, best way to do it
2015-07-13 06:53 <dahlia> avoids all the issues with warp
2015-07-13 06:53 <AliciaRaven> yea, it doesnt help warp that its doing the job twice tho lol
2015-07-13 06:54 <dahlia> oh do they both call warp?
2015-07-13 06:54 <AliciaRaven> yes, both modules call warp and make a maptile at startup
2015-07-13 06:55 <dahlia> lol
2015-07-13 06:55 <AliciaRaven> so what ever memory hogging warp is doing at startup is doubled
2015-07-13 06:55 <dahlia> you sure there isnt some magic config stuff to enable one or the other?
2015-07-13 06:55 <AliciaRaven> one sends its tile to the map image service, the other uploads it as an asset
2015-07-13 06:56 <AliciaRaven> [Map]
2015-07-13 06:56 <AliciaRaven> WorldMapModule = WorldMap
2015-07-13 06:56 <AliciaRaven> MapImageModule = Warp3DImageModule
2015-07-13 06:56 <AliciaRaven> GenerateMaptiles = true
2015-07-13 06:56 <AliciaRaven> MaptileRefresh = 86400
2015-07-13 06:56 <AliciaRaven> DrawPrimOnMapTile = true
2015-07-13 06:56 <AliciaRaven> TextureOnMapTile = true
2015-07-13 06:56 <AliciaRaven> RenderMeshes = true
2015-07-13 06:56 <AliciaRaven> thats my region config for maps
2015-07-13 06:57 <dahlia> dunno, maybe someone made a service and forgot to disable the asset one
2015-07-13 06:57 <dahlia> I vaguely remember the asset one may have been there a long time
2015-07-13 06:57 <dahlia> not positive
2015-07-13 06:57 <dahlia> maybe Melanie_ knows
2015-07-13 06:57 <AliciaRaven> i better do some more poking about and see if i can understand things better
2015-07-13 06:58 <dahlia> sometimes git blame can show the origins of a module, assuming justin didnt refactor everything (like he usually did)
2015-07-13 06:59 <AliciaRaven> i recently fixed a bug where warp was rendering the root prim twice, that will reduce the load abit, but generating two tiles shouldnt happen
2015-07-13 07:00 <dahlia> 
ACTION is not a warp fan

2015-07-13 07:01 <AliciaRaven> i like the tiles but hate the memory leaks, its not bad if its only run at startup
2015-07-13 07:03 <dahlia> http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/raytracedMaptile.jpg
2015-07-13 07:04 <nebadon> nice
2015-07-13 07:04 <AliciaRaven> it sounds like the asset one is viewer 1 method and service is the new
2015-07-13 07:04 <nebadon> wants!
2015-07-13 07:04 <nebadon> :)
2015-07-13 07:04 <dahlia> I should prolly stick the source on github and let other people finish it for me :)
2015-07-13 07:04 <AliciaRaven> nice image
2015-07-13 07:04 <dahlia> but they will probably finish it and keep the fixes :(
2015-07-13 07:05 <dahlia> anyway it's a libomv bot that makes a big povray file and then I use povray to render it
2015-07-13 07:06 <dahlia> another problem is povray is agpl
2015-07-13 07:11 <antont> dahlia: well that should help in you getting other peoples fixes back :) .. though i guess the licenses don't usually really work that way. i mean if someone doesn't want to share, then they just don't use it
2015-07-13 07:12 <dahlia> antont: povray is agpl, my code makes a file that is manually applied as input to povray
2015-07-13 07:13 <dahlia> then I manually take the output file and convert it to jpeg2000
2015-07-13 07:14 <dahlia> I don't know all the rules about agpl but I figure if I do it that way then there is nothing that triggers the agpl stuff
2015-07-13 07:15 <dahlia> but, older versions of povray are *not* agpl
2015-07-13 07:17 <dahlia> anyway it's questionable at this point if the tiles are much better looking than warp, other than probably better lighting and shadows
2015-07-13 07:17 <dahlia> it still doesnt use full textures, just like warp
2015-07-13 07:18 <AliciaRaven> and warp leaves blue water areas on steep slopes, looks bad
2015-07-13 07:19 <AliciaRaven> http://www.spellscape.co.uk/world/map
2015-07-13 07:19 <AliciaRaven> bottom right of the sim, mountain should be white but its blue :(
2015-07-13 07:21 <antont> AliciaRaven: that's weird. looks good otherwise though
2015-07-13 07:23 <antont> dahlia: yah i'm pretty sure agpl doesn't reach your code there .. which is just to prepare the scene to render. if you'd modify povray itself for your service, even if you don't distribute your modified povray, agpl says you must give those povray mods when you are using it for a web service
2015-07-13 07:23 <dahlia> antont: I think agpl says stuff about user interfaces which call the agpl code also
2015-07-13 07:23 <dahlia> it's pretty nasty
2015-07-13 07:24 <antont> dahlia: yah i tried to read it but couldn't parse .. in normal gpl it's if your code is a part of the same application, links to the library .. which is common with UI code. but i'm pretty sure that code that prepares input for a separate program is out of reach
2015-07-13 07:25 <dahlia> hopefully. Anyway I'm using the older non-agpl version
2015-07-13 07:25 <xxValiumxx> lets see if I completely botched this or made this hack work
2015-07-13 07:25 <dahlia> which was still available last I checked
2015-07-13 07:26 <antont> not sure though, it could be somethign crazy like 'all code that is used to provide the service' or so. it seemed that mongodb is agpl and i'm sure there are many non-gpl systems that just use it as a db, and the license is just for the db engine and not for whatever code that only uses the db
2015-07-13 07:29 <dahlia> well... from my experience the probability of any legal action is proportional to how much money there is to gain
2015-07-13 07:29 <dahlia> and I dont have much 
2015-07-13 07:46 <antont> yah nothing to worry and as said i'm pretty sure your input-preparing code is not considered a part of povray anyway. just submit patches if you happen to improve povray itself :)
2015-07-13 07:57 <dahlia> I'm not touching it ;) I started writing a ray tracer in c# but couldn't get performance to be acceptable with meshes so I moved on to other projects ;)
2015-07-13 07:59 <dahlia> http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/csharpRaytracerInterpolatedNormals.jpg
2015-07-13 07:59 <dahlia> http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/csharpRaytracer06.jpg
2015-07-13 08:00 <dahlia> wanted to use cycles but I couldn't get the standalone version to compile
2015-07-13 08:01 <AliciaRaven> i love the colors in that last image
2015-07-13 08:01 <dahlia> random spheres with random colors 
2015-07-13 08:01 <dahlia> spheres are easy to raytrace :)
2015-07-13 08:02 <AliciaRaven> the reflections must add alot of rendering time?
2015-07-13 08:02 <AliciaRaven> simple math i guess just lots of it lol
2015-07-13 08:03 <dahlia> ya spheres are pretty simple
2015-07-13 08:04 <dahlia> meshes are a lot harder
2015-07-13 08:06 <AliciaRaven> i found out why its rendering 2 maptiles, its v1 and v2/3... i would have expected them to share lol
2015-07-13 08:09 <dahlia> whats the difference?
2015-07-13 08:09 <AliciaRaven> i think the v2/3 is requested with zoom levels, and the original v1 just sends the tiles
2015-07-13 08:10 <dahlia> ok so I have a local git with the povray bot, now how do I push it to my github account?
2015-07-13 08:10 <dahlia> using tortoise
2015-07-13 08:10 <dahlia> Ive only forked and modified
2015-07-13 08:10 <dahlia> never made a new one
2015-07-13 08:12 <AliciaRaven> ive done it once but i cant remember how
2015-07-13 08:20 <xxValiumxx> sweet.  I've gotten it to spoof the UUID of the creator on scene objects
2015-07-13 08:24 <dahlia> xxValiumxx: I think you can just use some oar loading options to force you as creator
2015-07-13 08:24 <dahlia> not sure what they are tho
2015-07-13 08:25 <dahlia> or just use god mode
2015-07-13 08:25 <xxValiumxx> I looked at those options, but neither would do what I wanted
2015-07-13 08:25 <xxValiumxx> and at least in the docs, it only mentioned being able to change the owner
2015-07-13 08:25 <xxValiumxx> for the OAR export
2015-07-13 08:28 <xxValiumxx> I think this solution is actually pretty darn slick, for what I need it to do.  It actually retains the correct CreatorID in the database, so that's a plus.
2015-07-13 08:34 <lkalif> damned firewaææ here
2015-07-13 08:34 <xxValiumxx> I dont know that word
2015-07-13 08:34 <lkalif> can connect only to port 80 and 433
2015-07-13 08:34 <lkalif> firewall
2015-07-13 08:34 <xxValiumxx> ah.
2015-07-13 08:35 <xxValiumxx> and I know that problem.  I work for a startup that moved into a new space with wifi included, that has similar limitations on ports.
2015-07-13 08:36 <xxValiumxx> of course, our app uses ports other than 80 and 443, or, at least it did.
2015-07-13 08:36 <lkalif> dahlia: use the command line
2015-07-13 08:36 <dahlia> lkalif: found it
2015-07-13 08:36 <dahlia> ty
2015-07-13 08:36 <lkalif> dahlia: git remote add mygit <url>
2015-07-13 08:36 <dahlia> https://help.github.com/articles/adding-an-existing-project-to-github-using-the-command-line/
2015-07-13 08:36 <lkalif> git push mygit master
2015-07-13 08:38 <lkalif> that worked? i didn't know you can use name "origin" for a remote if you cloned
2015-07-13 08:38 <lkalif> i guess it just overwrites it
2015-07-13 08:39 <xxValiumxx> success!: http://puu.sh/iXobq.jpg
2015-07-13 08:40 <dahlia> https://github.com/dahliaT/PovrayCommand/tree/master
2015-07-13 08:40 <dahlia> oops I mean https://github.com/dahliaT/PovrayCommand
2015-07-13 08:41 <dahlia> have fun, patches welcome :)
2015-07-13 08:41 <dahlia> nebadon: that means you :P
2015-07-13 08:41 <lkalif> dahlia: can you post the screenshot to imgur.com please?
2015-07-13 08:41 <dahlia> I prefer it on my server
2015-07-13 08:41 <lkalif> i live with a fascit fireall here
2015-07-13 08:42 <dahlia> oh
2015-07-13 08:42 <dahlia> sec
2015-07-13 08:43 <lkalif> i had to move ssh on my server to port 443 and use stunnel on it
2015-07-13 08:44 <dahlia> http://di01.wwweb3d.net/screenshots/raytracedMaptile.jpg
2015-07-13 08:45 <lkalif> ah, for map tiles
2015-07-13 08:45 <xxValiumxx> dahlia: woah.
2015-07-13 08:45 <dahlia> ya
2015-07-13 08:46 <lkalif> cool :)
2015-07-13 08:46 <dahlia> :)
2015-07-13 08:46 <xxValiumxx> like... wow.
2015-07-13 08:48 <lkalif> nebadon: yeah, raytrace the whole of osgrid :P
2015-07-13 08:49 <dahlia> lol
2015-07-13 08:49 <dahlia> it only works with standard sized regions for now
2015-07-13 08:49 <lkalif> dahlia: no way to use the whole of blender in some batch fashion instead of trying to rip cycles apart?
2015-07-13 08:50 <dahlia> well supposedly there is a standalone cycles
2015-07-13 08:50 <dahlia> but I couldnt get it to build
2015-07-13 08:50 <lkalif> I see
2015-07-13 08:50 <dahlia> and they dont distribute a binary
2015-07-13 08:50 <dahlia> probably just some wonkyness on my kubuntu box
2015-07-13 08:51 <xxValiumxx> dahlia for use with https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse ?
2015-07-13 08:51 <dahlia> yes
2015-07-13 08:52 <lkalif> does it add dependencies or just generates a file
2015-07-13 08:52 <dahlia> the module?
2015-07-13 08:52 <dahlia> just uses libomv stuff
2015-07-13 08:52 <lkalif> yeah, do I need some extra dlls?
2015-07-13 08:52 <lkalif> ah ok
2015-07-13 08:53 <dahlia> the output is just one file I think, maybe 2, cant remember
2015-07-13 08:53 <dahlia> havent used it in a while
2015-07-13 08:53 <dahlia> theres a ginormous text file
2015-07-13 08:54 <lkalif> add it to testclient direct then, well if you don't mind the bsd license
2015-07-13 08:54 <dahlia> maybe a image for terrain texture
2015-07-13 08:54 <dahlia> will consider adding later after I get a few patches making it better :)
2015-07-13 08:54 <dahlia> its pretty crude now
2015-07-13 08:54 <lkalif> cool :)
2015-07-13 08:55 <dahlia> but I licensed it bsd
2015-07-13 08:55 <lkalif> a lot of code in testclient is experimental anyway :)
2015-07-13 08:55 <dahlia> ya but its really crude
2015-07-13 08:59 <xxValiumxx> so, OS doesn't seem to require much in the way of system performance
2015-07-13 08:59 <dahlia> "it depends"
2015-07-13 09:00 <dahlia> if it's just one or 2 people hacking around in a single region, not much at all
2015-07-13 09:00 <dahlia> put 100 people in a region and it bogs down pretty fast
2015-07-13 09:00 <xxValiumxx> I would gather that an increase of regions qould require more ram?
2015-07-13 09:01 <dahlia> also depends
2015-07-13 09:01 <dahlia> prims, scripts
2015-07-13 09:01 <dahlia> terrain is a big memory user
2015-07-13 09:01 <antont> dahlia: that's a good point from lkalif though -- you can just use the normal blender build for headless server rendering too, that's how it's normally used on renderfarms
2015-07-13 09:01 <xxValiumxx> I wish I knew how much memory this system originally had
2015-07-13 09:02 <xxValiumxx> but that would be a tough question to get answered I think
2015-07-13 09:02 <dahlia> antont: ya I'm not attached to povray
2015-07-13 09:02 <dahlia> it was just easy to get it to work
2015-07-13 09:02 <antont> dahlia: pov can be fine for that, just good to know that you don't need special builds if wanna use cycles but afaik normal blender builds are fine for that
2015-07-13 09:03 <xxValiumxx> "Hey Linden Labs, I have one of your retired servers here, from about 2009; Mind telling me how much RAM you had packed in it?"
2015-07-13 09:03 <dahlia> ah I wasnt aware of headless
2015-07-13 09:03 <dahlia> xxValiumxx: from what I understand, the design goal for LL sims was 512 mb per sim
2015-07-13 09:04 <dahlia> not sure if they raised it since
2015-07-13 09:04 <dahlia> for years it was 512 mb
2015-07-13 09:04 <dahlia> opensim uses more :P
2015-07-13 09:05 <dahlia> but I have a moderately complex region on osgrid that runs on a 512 mb digital ocean instance
2015-07-13 09:15 <xxValiumxx> Then is quite possible that the 4GB I got in it is simply what it had.
2015-07-13 09:16 <xxValiumxx> I didn't go hunting for the machine, I just happened to get one as a random chance.  I bought it from a company that does refurbishing, and I asked who the previous owner was.
2015-07-13 09:17 <dahlia> heh
2015-07-13 09:18 <dahlia> did they erase the hard disk? lol
2015-07-13 09:18 <xxValiumxx> I would assume.  It didn't actually come with the drives, sadly.
2015-07-13 09:18 <dahlia> I think LL uses one sim/core also
2015-07-13 09:19 <dahlia> and they also run some services on it, like apache for assets and whatnot
2015-07-13 09:19 <dahlia> so probably save a core for that
2015-07-13 09:19 <xxValiumxx> it was a beast, in it's day.
2015-07-13 09:19 <xxValiumxx> not so much now, though.
2015-07-13 09:20 <xxValiumxx> still eats power like one.
2015-07-13 09:20 <dahlia> anyway I run 50ish instances on a 16 gb 4 core box and it performs very well and some of the regions are pretty intense
2015-07-13 09:20 <dahlia> and ram use is usually 9-10 gb
2015-07-13 09:20 <xxValiumxx> So I shouldn't have any concerns about my 24GB 2x quad then?
2015-07-13 09:21 <dahlia> "it depends"
2015-07-13 09:21 <xxValiumxx> you have tha on macro, methinks
2015-07-13 09:21 <dahlia> lol I should
2015-07-13 09:21 <xxValiumxx> the inflection in that is quite clear
2015-07-13 09:22 <dahlia> if you run a 200 region grid and oversell it, well ya you will have problems
2015-07-13 09:23 <xxValiumxx> actually, the odd thing is, I really only see issues when I make a mesh physical...but then again, they are high poly and I don't think I actually did physics models for them.
2015-07-13 09:24 <dahlia> using bullet?
2015-07-13 09:24 <xxValiumxx> I honestly don't know.  Whatever is defualt using Diva
2015-07-13 09:25 <dahlia> is it when you make it physical the first time? like a lag spike?
2015-07-13 09:25 <xxValiumxx> yes, for everyone, and very much so.
2015-07-13 09:25 <dahlia> how about the second time?
2015-07-13 09:26 <xxValiumxx> I never got that far TBH, I had to kill it because we both froze for over a minute
2015-07-13 09:26 <dahlia> if you use BulletSim and make physical meshes, you should generate hulls when you upload them
2015-07-13 09:27 <dahlia> otherwise the sim will try to make them for you, and if your mesh is very complex, problems might happen
2015-07-13 09:28 <xxValiumxx> 8168, tris, 16381 verts.  might be the problem
2015-07-13 09:28 <dahlia> that, and/or upload a simple physics shape with the mesh
2015-07-13 09:31 <xxValiumxx> yay shrinkwrap modifier!
2015-07-13 09:33 <xxValiumxx> huh, works just fine, now.
2015-07-13 09:41 <xxValiumxx> mmm, polys http://puu.sh/iXqvJ.jpg
2015-07-13 09:44 <xxValiumxx> dahlia, would you happen to know of an economy extension/plugin that just does really simple economy handling?(e.g. not actual real currency involved in any way)
2015-07-13 09:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #4246 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-07-13 09:45 <xxValiumxx> the ones I've found either deal in real cash, or are meant for larger grids
2015-07-13 09:46 <dahlia> xxValiumxx: I don't, no. Someone else might.
2015-07-13 09:48 <dahlia> ya some kind of token-oriented system might be nice but I'm not aware of any
2015-07-13 09:49 <xxValiumxx> Mostly I just want to have it so that each person gets an allocated amount of upload, per day, essentially.
2015-07-13 09:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4246: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4246/
2015-07-13 09:49 <osjenkins> orenh: Fixed the whitespace in Scene.cs
2015-07-13 09:51 <xxValiumxx> I found one in Japanese
2015-07-13 11:08 <osmantis> Bug #7640:04 [PATCH] MapTile Generating. Fix how maptiles are created on startup to half the workload of the maptile generating 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7640 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-07-13 11:09 <osmantis> Bug #7640:04 [PATCH] MapTile Generating. Fix how maptiles are created on startup to half the workload of the maptile generating 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7640 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-07-13 11:30 <osmantis> Bug #7639:04 [PATCH] Bring FSAssets closer to OpenSim conventions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7639 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-13 11:38 <AliciaRaven> Melanie_, another patch attached to fix a problem with multiple instances of the asset service
2015-07-13 12:09 <osmantis> Bug #5422:04 (i = 1); fails to compile 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5422 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-13 12:25 <lkalif> I always thought that having economy in opensim by default would be fun. More for use like tokens, than currency with any value.
2015-07-13 13:10 <djphil> Hello, i would like to know if this [GETTEXTURE] problem is known in 0.8.1 Release http://pastebin.com/P7imBwuU  and how to solve it ?
2015-07-13 13:11 <AliciaRaven> djphil, its a bug in the code, you should create a mantis
2015-07-13 13:12 <AliciaRaven> i looked at the code, and where it tries to create a uuid it will always fail
2015-07-13 13:12 <djphil> ty Alicia :)
2015-07-13 13:13 <djphil> AliciaRaven, for info, we working on a jOpenSim3 release
2015-07-13 13:13 <AliciaRaven> its taking an existing UUID as a string, then adding the file extention to it, and trying to convert that to a uuid, it will always throw an error
2015-07-13 13:13 <djphil> It coming soon ... Beta test is already available if you whant ...
2015-07-13 13:13 <AliciaRaven> jOpenSim3?
2015-07-13 13:13 <djphil> yep for Joomla 3.x
2015-07-13 13:14 <AliciaRaven> ah
2015-07-13 13:14 <djphil> b!
2015-07-13 13:15 <djphil> o know you use j2.5 ... maybee you like to use j3 in the futur :)
2015-07-13 13:16 <djphil> and maybee you have ideas to improve it or suggest features ...
2015-07-13 13:17 <AliciaRaven> we use joomla 3.4.3 :)
2015-07-13 13:17 <AliciaRaven> upgraded awhile back
2015-07-13 13:17 <djphil> ha you have already updated !
2015-07-13 13:17 <djphil> hehe :)
2015-07-13 13:23 <osmantis> Bug #7641:04 [GETTEXTURE] Could not parse requested asset id 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7641 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2015-07-13 13:24 <djphil> what is amazing is that with this bug with windows there is a problem with linux but obviously no problem
2015-07-13 13:27 <AliciaRaven> i would have expected it to error with both
2015-07-13 13:28 <djphil> yeah, me too
2015-07-13 13:29 <prob> hello
2015-07-13 13:29 <djphil> hello
2015-07-13 13:29 <prob> any ideas why my simulator return The remote server returned an error: (404) Not Found.  ( all php code is ready sql too i have test with a search osgrid work but not my )
2015-07-13 13:33 <djphil> firewall, bad url, ...
2015-07-13 13:33 <AliciaRaven> what php code?
2015-07-13 13:39 <AliciaRaven> what are you using as the search module?
2015-07-13 13:41 <prob> Search = http//ipserver/folder/query.php
2015-07-13 13:41 <AliciaRaven> but where / what is query.php as its not a standard part of opensim
2015-07-13 13:42 <AliciaRaven> either its part of diva distro or you have another module installed like ossearch?
2015-07-13 13:43 <prob> ok this solved but on the search is enabled i have all name duplicated  example i'm search a resident i'm see the resident duplicated turn off the search and i see the resident  not duplicated
2015-07-13 13:43 <AliciaRaven> i think that was a bug with older versions of ossearch
2015-07-13 17:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #4247 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-07-13 17:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4247: SUCCESS in 4 min 40 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4247/
2015-07-13 17:10 <osjenkins> * melanie: Prevent multiple instances of the FSAssets service causing problems. Protect against secondary instances registering duplicate console commands Also prevents multiple instances each starting a writer thread which will cause major file access exceptions as they fight over the contents of the spool directory.
2015-07-13 17:10 <osjenkins> * melanie: Add config options for FSAssetService. The default is the original asset service.
2015-07-13 17:10 <osmantis> Bug #7639:04 [PATCH] Bring FSAssets closer to OpenSim conventions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7639 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-13 17:44 <osmantis> Bug #7638:04 Problem with pose's built into things 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7638 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-13 18:52 <osmantis> Bug #7632:04 [Patch] New Network Statistics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7632 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-13 19:39 <osmantis> Bug #7632:04 [Patch] New Network Statistics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7632 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-07-14 06:25 <osmantis> Bug #7629:04 Saving parcel settings with high bit set in LandFlags corrupts all other bits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7629 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-14 17:41 <osmantis> Bug #7632:04 [Patch] New Network Statistics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7632 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-07-14 19:23 <osmantis> Bug #7629:04 Saving parcel settings with high bit set in LandFlags corrupts all other bits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7629 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-07-14 19:27 <osmantis> Bug #7632:04 [Patch] New Network Statistics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7632 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-14 19:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #4248 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-07-14 19:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4248: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4248/
2015-07-14 19:33 <osjenkins> * melanie: Mantis #7629: Change LandFlags column to unsigned. Thanks, Jim!
2015-07-14 19:33 <osjenkins> * melanie: Correcting errors in previous change: MySQL needs int unsigned, not
2015-07-14 19:36 <linkedinyou> NASA take us to that region http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/14/8958079/nasa-new-horizons-pluto-color-image
2015-07-14 19:39 <linkedinyou> NASA, it seems, has known exactly how to take advantage: hit up social media. The US space agency published the most detailed image of Pluto ever this morning at around 7AM ET, sharing the photo via Instagram hours before it was posted to the official nasa.gov website.
2015-07-14 20:56 <xxValiumxx> So I have this currency system working, I just need to find what all the valid responses are to the viewer.
2015-07-14 23:17 <LiruCookies> xxValiumxx: Gimme a sec
2015-07-14 23:18 <LiruCookies> xxValiumxx: MoneyBalanceReply
2015-07-15 16:35 <LiruCookies> extropic-engine: Hi!
2015-07-15 16:51 <extropic-engine> Hi
2015-07-15 16:52 <extropic-engine> sorry, that was an auto-rejoin :)
2015-07-15 17:47 <LiruCookies> Oh
2015-07-15 18:51 <Guest17590> hello all, its possible to move the opensim.ini and ini.example to a webserver example: http:// Serveur.../config/ fil..
2015-07-15 18:52 <mjheilman> Yes it is.  You specify the url as a command-line argument to OpenSim.exe
2015-07-15 18:52 <mjheilman> however, it will need to be in an xml format
2015-07-15 18:53 <Guest17590> okay :)
2015-07-15 18:53 <JeffKelley> what about included files, then ?
2015-07-15 18:53 <mjheilman> When I did it, I mashed them all together in a php script, and served it as a single config file
2015-07-15 18:53 <JeffKelley> ok
2015-07-15 18:54 <Guest17590> example i want open the attach sim for all on my grid but i'm dont want he see the config money vivox etc
2015-07-15 18:55 <mjheilman> That would be the responsibility of the server hosting your config file.  A simple fix would be only serving to the IP address of your region host
2015-07-15 18:55 <Guest17590> yes
2015-07-15 18:56 <Guest17590> sim startin need the ini the server return the ini config
2015-07-15 18:56 <Guest17590> starting
2015-07-15 18:57 <mjheilman> OpenSimulator uses nini configuration files.  This is years ago for me, but there is a nini xml spec that Opensim requires when loading from a url
2015-07-15 18:57 <mjheilman> I believe there is an exe in the Opensim bin folder that can generate this for you, but things may have changed.  We'll see if anyone weighs in
2015-07-15 18:57 <Guest17590> same at the region config loading buy a url right ?
2015-07-15 18:58 <Guest17590> by
2015-07-15 18:58 <mjheilman> Yes, but I'm not sure of the format for that one off the top of my head
2015-07-15 18:58 <Guest17590> okay
2015-07-15 18:59 <mjheilman> you can see the command line parameters here http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OpenSim.exe_Command_Line_Options#Current_Command_Line_Parameters
2015-07-15 18:59 <mjheilman> It specifies loading configs from files, but passing in urls works as well
2015-07-15 19:01 <Guest17590> thanks a lot
2015-07-15 19:01 <xxValiumxx> nice
2015-07-15 20:21 <Melanie_> the tool is called Configger
2015-07-15 21:42 <SilverWhitefish> starting in line 562 of the lludpserver source code (here is an example) https://code.google.com/p/openmetaverse/source/browse/trunk/Simian/Simulator/Simian.Protocols.Linden/LLUDPServer.cs?r=578
2015-07-15 21:43 <SilverWhitefish> i should be able to use AGENT_TIMEOUT_MS = "" in my opensim.ini file to keep from kicking any agents from the sim.... right?
2015-07-15 21:50 <Plugh> Is there a way for a web page or cron job to send an IM to someone in-world while they are logged in?
2015-07-15 21:51 <Plugh> The external service would know the avatar UUID and the session ID.
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2015-07-15 22:09 <SilverWhitefish> XMLRPC?
2015-07-15 22:10 <SilverWhitefish> Plugh, https://www.google.com/search?q=opensim+xmlrpc&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
2015-07-15 22:11 <Plugh> I wasn't sure if that only works when the grid code is waiting for a response to an xmlrpc call.
2015-07-15 22:14 <SilverWhitefish> i really wouldnt know for sure. I think it calles for a child agent to be logged onto the grid also. Unless the region or simulator sends the message
2015-07-15 22:15 <SilverWhitefish> calls*
2015-07-15 22:24 <SilverWhitefish> o ic 
2015-07-15 22:24 <SilverWhitefish> lol
2015-07-15 23:00 <Melanie_> Plugh: ping - see next door
2015-07-15 23:32 <osmantis> Bug #7247:04 LLUDPSERVER]: No packets received from child agent for 60000ms 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7247 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-15 23:53 <moi_>  
2015-07-16 00:06 <moi_> Hello here,  I saw that it is possible to lock in the code, too old or too recent revision but its not working. or even prohibit any version that does not match the same public that robust code is compiled. 
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2015-07-16 16:01 <osmantis> Bug #7642:04 meshes - OAR compatibility problem opensim version 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7642 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-07-16 16:29 <osmantis> Bug #7642:04 meshes - OAR compatibility problem opensim version 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7642 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-16 18:36 <osmantis> Bug #7643:04 Only one record is inserted in the im_offline table - EVER - this record is being constantly overwritten. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7643 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-07-16 19:07 <osmantis> Bug #7642:04 meshes - OAR compatibility problem opensim version 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7642 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-16 19:34 <osmantis> Bug #7643:04 Only one record is inserted in the im_offline table - EVER - this record is being constantly overwritten. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-16 20:08 <osmantis> Bug #7642:04 meshes - OAR compatibility problem opensim version 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7642 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-07-17 05:16 <osmantis> Bug #7642:04 meshes - OAR compatibility problem opensim version 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7642 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-17 12:45 <smxy_> Anyone heard of a "Dreamscape" distro? I just TPed to a grid running version 1.0.0 of that.
2015-07-17 15:46 <osmantis> Bug #7643:04 Only one record is inserted in the im_offline table - EVER - this record is being constantly overwritten. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-07-17 17:59 <osmantis> Bug #7642:04 meshes - OAR compatibility problem opensim version 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7642 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-17 18:37 <LittlefeatherQ> I am working on a modules that save avatar apperance to a file and have an intresting issue
2015-07-17 18:38 <LittlefeatherQ> the modle saves and loads archives just fine but when i log in and try to change the avatar attachments It will not do anything untill i create a new inventory item
2015-07-17 18:39 <LittlefeatherQ> not sure how to find the cause of this issue any suggestions would be greate
2015-07-17 18:39 <LittlefeatherQ> https://github.com/QuillLittlefeather/Opensim-Avatar-Archiver
2015-07-17 18:51 <H-H-H> doesnt opensim already have a way to save av,s
2015-07-17 18:52 <H-H-H> i seeem to remember something bout it from when i was creating av,s for ppl to choose when they sign up in the webui
2015-07-17 18:52 <H-H-H> like in sl
2015-07-17 18:58 <LittlefeatherQ> no the web ui just copies database entries to the new user
2015-07-17 19:15 <H-H-H> ahh ok i havent looked at the code for a while
2015-07-17 19:36 <smxy_> There is a command already, that lets you save your appearance to a notecard, which you can later use to generate an NPC, if you want. Maybe you could just use that function.
2015-07-17 19:37 <H-H-H> ty smxy_ thats what i was thinking of
2015-07-17 19:39 <LittlefeatherQ> this is for the console to save and load avatar appearances they get saved to user inventory under clothing
2015-07-17 19:39 <LittlefeatherQ> i fixed the issue tho so it now woks 
2015-07-17 19:39 <AliciaRaven2> why not just use existing IAR functions?
2015-07-17 19:50 <LittlefeatherQ> This just save appearance and nothing else, and will be used with a new webui i am working on.
2015-07-17 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #7643:04 Only one record is inserted in the im_offline table - EVER - this record is being constantly overwritten. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-17 21:10 <osmantis> Bug #7642:04 meshes - OAR compatibility problem opensim version 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7642 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-17 21:16 <osmantis> Bug #7643:04 Only one record is inserted in the im_offline table - EVER - this record is being constantly overwritten. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-17 22:06 <osmantis> Bug #7642:04 meshes - OAR compatibility problem opensim version 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7642 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-17 23:28 <AliciaRaven2> is it expected that SOP.AbsolutePosition returns the wrong value if the SOG is rotated?
2015-07-17 23:31 <Plugh> I wouldn't have thought so. How did you determine it has the wrong value after rotation?
2015-07-17 23:32 <AliciaRaven2> calling it on a child prim (from a region module with code) where i can see the position in the viewer, it only returns the correct value when the linkset is not rotated
2015-07-17 23:34 <Plugh> If the rotation is done about a child prim that could change the position of the root prim.
2015-07-17 23:35 <AliciaRaven2> no the child rotation is the same, its the group rotation that ive changed to zero to get the child position correct, as soon as the group is rotated, the child moves round and its inworld location doesnt match anymore
2015-07-17 23:39 <Plugh> If you rotate a group the positions of the parts will change.
2015-07-17 23:40 <AliciaRaven2> yes thats my point, the position of the child prim changes as it rotates, but calling AbsolutePosition always returns the same global position, the group position + offset, it doesnt take into account the change due to the rotation
2015-07-17 23:42 <Plugh> You said the SOP position is only correct when it isn't rotated. Did you mean the SOG position is being reported as changed after a rotation?
2015-07-17 23:43 <AliciaRaven2> no, the SOG position is always the same as expected, not changing that, just rotating the group, which moves the relative position of the SOP
2015-07-17 23:43 <Melanie_T> AliciaRaven2: a HUGE amount of code is influenced by this
2015-07-17 23:43 <Melanie_T> so there is no way it can be "corrected"
2015-07-17 23:44 <Melanie_T> if it were changed to include root prim rotation, most methods dealing woth editing, scripting, etc, would fail in strange ways
2015-07-17 23:45 <Melanie_T> repairing this could _maybe_ be taken into consideration a) starting jst after a release and b) in a branch
2015-07-17 23:45 <Melanie_T> then we'd need to find a lot of testers to do a lot of specific testing, including testing scripts
2015-07-17 23:45 <Plugh> I must be misunderstanding. If SOP absolute position is being access for a child prim in a linkset that was rotated, then yes, it will return a different value because the linkset it is in has changed the position. The only time it wouldn't change would be if the center of the root prim and the center of the child prim are aligned vertically.
2015-07-17 23:45 <Melanie_T> the big issue, however is that the "wrong" results are passed into scripting uncorrected
2015-07-17 23:45 <AliciaRaven2> yes, i understand changing it would break alot of things that expect the current value, was just checking its not me overlooking something, it is returning wrong lol i can write around it
2015-07-17 23:46 <Melanie_T> which is why rezzers, resizers, etc, have all been altered for opensi
2015-07-17 23:46 <Melanie_T> correcting this all the way would destroy about 90% of scripted content dealing with prims in a linkset
2015-07-17 23:46 <Plugh> Melanie_T: I use a rezzer which was copied from SL and never changed for use in OpenSim. It works just fine.
2015-07-17 23:46 <Melanie_T> all resizers and many rezzers as well as door scripts
2015-07-17 23:47 <Melanie_T> Plugh: most rezzers just rez. that works. but opensim allows linking more than 256 prims so there are "linking rezzers" that link the finished object. Those would fail
2015-07-17 23:47 <Melanie_T> AliciaRaven2: most code in opensim that would otherwise use AbsolutePosition for a child prim uses RelativePosition and some math
2015-07-17 23:48 <AliciaRaven2> took me ages to work out why the position was always out by a few meters lol i can relax now i know
2015-07-17 23:48 <Melanie_T> for a while, years back, it was even said that AbsolutePosition doesn't work for child prims and not to use it
2015-07-17 23:48 <Melanie_T> this also ties in with the discussion of AbsolutePosition = AbsolutePosition
2015-07-17 23:49 <Melanie_T> which is about the setter for this property doing entirely too much work
2015-07-17 23:49 <Plugh> Abs position in the grid/region? If so, I would expect to change in a child prim that got moved when a linkset was rotated.
2015-07-17 23:49 <Melanie_T> Plugh: many would
2015-07-17 23:49 <Melanie_T> the issue is this
2015-07-17 23:49 <Melanie_T> if this were corrected, all math that compensates for it throughout the code base as well as in external modules would need to be changed
2015-07-17 23:50 <Melanie_T> moreover, scripts would see different values
2015-07-17 23:50 <Melanie_T> and it wold be a bit perverse to fix the calue in the codebase and then intentionally fudge it to give wrong data to scripts
2015-07-17 23:50 <Melanie_T> with all the pitfalls such a translation entails
2015-07-17 23:50 <Melanie_T> value*
2015-07-17 23:51 <Melanie_T> the reason why i'm not totally opposed to considering it is that most handling of prims is pretty final, as far as code goes
2015-07-17 23:51 <Melanie_T> changes to SOP/SOG regarding positioning have become few and far in between so that code can be considered stable
2015-07-17 23:52 <Melanie_T> making sweeping changes there is likely to catch all code needing to be changed in regression testing
2015-07-17 23:52 <AliciaRaven2> had me confused for awhile, might be good to add a comment in code tho
2015-07-17 23:52 <Melanie_T> rather then trying to make large scale changes to a moving target, this target is pretty staiionary
2015-07-17 23:53 <Melanie_T> i would still recommend against fixing and be in favour of documenting it because of the fudging needed for scripts
2015-07-17 23:53 <Plugh> I think I'll give up. I don't understand the possible problem being reported. I don't see any code has to be changed if it is correctly reporting the actual position of a child prim in a rotated linkset.
2015-07-17 23:53 <Melanie_T> people tend to resent script breakage
2015-07-17 23:54 <AliciaRaven2> yea, i agree, when people write content to compensate for a bug, they get iritated when its fixed, remember the complaints when sit positions were fixed
2015-07-17 23:54 <Melanie_T> yup
2015-07-18 01:40 <frank_> Strange, I thought the code was still alpha
2015-07-18 02:33 <OtakuMegane> Even if it was pre-alpha, people would still complain. Opensim has been publicly available for so long that you have to treat changes more like beta or pre-release code, unlike a closed environment where you can change and wipe at will.
2015-07-18 02:37 <OtakuMegane> Major features - like the switch to Bullet - or more serious bugs/security issues can still justify breaking some things but otherwise justifying a change that breaks stuff can be an uphill battle.
2015-07-18 02:37 <Melanie_T> the alpha designation is a means to avert frivolous lawsuits
2015-07-18 02:38 <Melanie_T> the code state as such would have warranted a 1.0 version and released status a long time ago
2015-07-18 02:38 <Melanie_T> but since people like me do real money stuff through it, the reist is too great in america's and UK's sue-happy culture
2015-07-18 02:40 <OtakuMegane> I personally would consider it beta but I'm more a perfectionist and not really in tune with the modern standards of software. :)
2015-07-18 02:42 <Melanie_T> for years now money has been made with it
2015-07-18 02:42 <Melanie_T> that sort of doesn't jibe with beta
2015-07-18 06:19 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-18 09:04 <osmantis> Bug #7643:04 Only one record is inserted in the im_offline table - EVER - this record is being constantly overwritten. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-18 09:36 <osmantis> Bug #7643:04 Only one record is inserted in the im_offline table - EVER - this record is being constantly overwritten. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-18 09:38 <osmantis> Bug #7643:04 Only one record is inserted in the im_offline table - EVER - this record is being constantly overwritten. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-18 11:19 <osmantis> Bug #7644:04 FSAssets Robust[.HG].ini changes cause error even in GridAssets_Default.ini case 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7644 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-07-18 11:20 <osmantis> Bug #7644:04 FSAssets Robust[.HG].ini changes cause error even in GridAssets_Default.ini case 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7644 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-07-18 17:12 <osmantis> Bug #7644:04 FSAssets Robust[.HG].ini changes cause error even in GridAssets_Default.ini case 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7644 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-07-18 17:12 <osmantis> Bug #7644:04 FSAssets Robust[.HG].ini changes cause error even in GridAssets_Default.ini case 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7644 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-07-18 17:17 <osmantis> Bug #7644:04 FSAssets Robust[.HG].ini changes cause error even in GridAssets_Default.ini case 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7644 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-07-19 14:23 <osmantis> Bug #7643:04 Only one record is inserted in the im_offline table - EVER - this record is being constantly overwritten. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-19 15:56 <osmantis> Bug #7645:04 column "cloud_scroll_x_lock" is of type smallint but expression is of type boolean 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7645 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-07-19 17:31 <osmantis> Bug #7645:04 column "cloud_scroll_x_lock" is of type smallint but expression is of type boolean 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7645 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-19 18:01 <osmantis> Bug #7645:04 column "cloud_scroll_x_lock" is of type smallint but expression is of type boolean 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7645 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-19 18:43 <osmantis> Bug #7645:04 column "cloud_scroll_x_lock" is of type smallint but expression is of type boolean 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7645 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-19 18:43 <Plugh> Anyone happen to have access to viewer code that can tell me the values for ClassifiedFlags?
2015-07-19 18:45 <Plugh> nm. Persistence paid off. Finally got a search result with the info.
2015-07-19 20:01 <smxy_> And I found a better way to debounce collisions in my Blamgates.
2015-07-19 20:02 <smxy_> I learned, today, that when you change state, queued events are cleared. So on collision_start I jump to another state and return after the teleport. Automatic debouncing. :)
2015-07-19 20:09 <Plugh> :)
2015-07-19 20:09 <smxy_> After testing, I'll have to update all my gates and see if that has any effect on the problem of collisions not firing after some time.
2015-07-19 20:10 <smxy_> I'm trying to trigger that problem now, by having 10 pcampbots teleporting back and forth between two regions, continuously...
2015-07-19 20:10 <smxy_> It sure keeps the CPUs busy. :)
2015-07-19 20:11 <Plugh> i bet
2015-07-19 21:46 <osmantis> Bug #5881:04 System.Net.Sockets.SocketException: Too many open files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5881 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-19 23:03 <osmantis> Bug #5881:04 System.Net.Sockets.SocketException: Too many open files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5881 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-19 23:08 <osmantis> Bug #5881:04 System.Net.Sockets.SocketException: Too many open files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5881 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-20 00:47 <Plugh> I'm just double checking something that isn't spelled out in the OS wiki pages. In Region modules is OnNewClient event trigger when an avatar arrives in a region? 
2015-07-20 00:49 <AliciaRaven2> yes but it could be a child agent, OnMakeRoot might be better
2015-07-20 00:50 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-07-20 00:50 <Plugh> That is the one I need.
2015-07-20 00:51 <Plugh> Hm... I may have to put my development work on hold for a bit. Thunderstorms are approaching.
2015-07-20 00:53 <Plugh> Is there an event for an avatar leaving a region?
2015-07-20 00:53 <Plugh> ah, found it.
2015-07-20 00:56 <AliciaRaven2> OnClientClosed, but it only fires when they dont have any child presence on any region (if shared module)
2015-07-20 01:09 <dahlia> I use OnNewPresence and OnRemovePresence
2015-07-20 01:10 <dahlia> FWIW
2015-07-20 01:18 <Plugh> dahlia: That is triggered after/before OnMakeAgentRoot/ClientClosed?
2015-07-20 01:24 <dahlia> Plugh: dunno
2015-07-20 01:24 <Plugh> ok, np.
2015-07-20 01:24 <dahlia> seems to work for my viewer protocol but not sure if its the best choice
2015-07-20 01:24 <Plugh> I'll look in to those.
2015-07-20 01:24 <AliciaRaven2> i think its before, but u cant tell if its a root agent because its called before make root so IsChild will always return true
2015-07-20 01:25 <Plugh> I need to do stuff after an avatar has arrived in a region and can receive IM's.
2015-07-20 01:25 <dahlia> I just use the region handle in the scene presence
2015-07-20 01:25 <AliciaRaven2> that caught me out, comments say IsChild will work but its not set at that point
2015-07-20 01:25 <dahlia> if its a root agent then the regin handle will match the region
2015-07-20 01:25 <Plugh> AliciaRaven2: Ah, ok. I'll stick with OnMakeRootAgent as I need to know if the agent is Root or Child.
2015-07-20 01:26 <Plugh> dahlia: Is that documented behaviour?
2015-07-20 01:26 <dahlia> documented? opensim? <.<  >.>
2015-07-20 01:27 <Plugh> yea, sorry. Silly question. What was I thinking.  :D
2015-07-20 01:28 <dahlia> well the region handle is the grid coordinates, and the presence position will be relative to it
2015-07-20 01:29 <dahlia> so if it's in that region I need to display it there
2015-07-20 01:29 <dahlia> even if for whatever reason it might be a child
2015-07-20 01:30 <Plugh> For what I'm doing I don't want to do anything for child agents.
2015-07-20 01:30 <dahlia> I imagine if you have a ScenePresence reference you could probably find which region it belongs to
2015-07-20 01:31 <dahlia> I'd hope that region handle would reliably indicate that ;)
2015-07-20 01:32 <dahlia> but.... you never know around here
2015-07-20 01:32 <AliciaRaven2> if there are multiple regions on the sim, they will have a sp for each
2015-07-20 01:34 <dahlia> each region would have one I guess
2015-07-20 01:34 <AliciaRaven2> i would use OnMakeRootAgent to get their arival, then watch out for changing regions or closes with OnMakeChildAgent and OnClientClosed
2015-07-20 01:34 <dahlia> maybe Melanie_T knows
2015-07-20 01:36 <Melanie_T> you need to hook LLCLientView for the connection
2015-07-20 01:36 <Melanie_T> hook OnMakeRootAgent for status
2015-07-20 01:36 <Plugh> I'm not sure yet if I will have to do anything if the agent leaves or turns in to a child agent.
2015-07-20 01:37 <Melanie_T> an agent can be created
2015-07-20 01:37 <dahlia> I also test on OnCrossAgentToNewRegion
2015-07-20 01:37 <Melanie_T> upgraded to root
2015-07-20 01:37 <Melanie_T> downgarded to child
2015-07-20 01:37 <Melanie_T> and repeatt he last 2 
2015-07-20 01:37 <Melanie_T> finally it's closed
2015-07-20 01:37 <Melanie_T> ABA transitions can cuse the agent to be reused
2015-07-20 01:37 <Melanie_T> crossings will
2015-07-20 01:37 <Melanie_T> and teleports might
2015-07-20 01:38 <Melanie_T> if they're close enoug, time-wise
2015-07-20 01:38 <Melanie_T> so, hoof OnNewClient
2015-07-20 01:38 <Melanie_T> hook*
2015-07-20 01:38 <Melanie_T> OnMakeRoot
2015-07-20 01:38 <Melanie_T> OnMakeChild
2015-07-20 01:38 <Melanie_T> and OnClientClosed
2015-07-20 01:38 <dahlia> I don't use llClientView because I don't have a llClientView
2015-07-20 01:38 <Melanie_T> the first and last are on LLClient
2015-07-20 01:38 <Melanie_T> the two others on Scene
2015-07-20 01:38 <Melanie_T> then your client needs to provide equivalent hooks
2015-07-20 01:39 <dahlia> there are no LLUDP viewers connected to my sims
2015-07-20 01:39 <Melanie_T> one to be called when a viewer first connects to the region
2015-07-20 01:39 <Melanie_T> one when the last connection of a viewet to a region is closed
2015-07-20 01:40 <Melanie_T> if you work on IClientAPI, the framework is there
2015-07-20 01:40 <Melanie_T> as it defines the events
2015-07-20 01:40 <Melanie_T> your client handler code just needs to fire them
2015-07-20 01:40 <dahlia> I dont use IClientAPI either
2015-07-20 01:40 <Melanie_T> then you're off spec
2015-07-20 01:40 <dahlia> I use region module interfaces
2015-07-20 01:40 <Melanie_T> and i don't see how opensim Scene, whithout extensive modifications, can work with your client
2015-07-20 01:40 <dahlia> there is no spec
2015-07-20 01:41 <dahlia> well it works
2015-07-20 01:41 <Melanie_T> opensim is designed to see a client as IClientAPI
2015-07-20 01:41 <Plugh> oh. Makes some sense. An agent could go from root to child or back again without clientclosed being called.
2015-07-20 01:41 <AliciaRaven2> dont they all go through the event manager? ie scene.EventManager.OnClientClosed
2015-07-20 01:41 <Melanie_T> if you don't use that, you're creating "rogue" scene presences
2015-07-20 01:41 <Melanie_T> using your own comms layers
2015-07-20 01:41 <Melanie_T> whcih is fine
2015-07-20 01:41 <dahlia> I dont use IClientAPI, I use region module interfaces
2015-07-20 01:41 <Melanie_T> but then you still need to provide connection and disconnection hooks on the interface you use
2015-07-20 01:42 <Melanie_T> to allow proper presence tracking
2015-07-20 01:42 <dahlia> yes but I handle them differently
2015-07-20 01:42 <dahlia> I add and remove presences in my module
2015-07-20 01:42 <Melanie_T> well, create events on your interface
2015-07-20 01:42 <Melanie_T> and allow region modules to khook them
2015-07-20 01:42 <Melanie_T> so they can see if a client is connected
2015-07-20 01:42 <Melanie_T> and disconnected
2015-07-20 01:43 <Melanie_T> as an analogue to OnNewClient and OnClientClosed
2015-07-20 01:43 <dahlia> I dont use those either
2015-07-20 01:43 <Plugh> Melanie, I'm working on a region module for what we were discussing next door the other day.
2015-07-20 01:43 <Melanie_T> of course any module would ahve to be aware of your stcak
2015-07-20 01:43 <Melanie_T> so i wonder what the point is in not using IClientAPI
2015-07-20 01:43 <dahlia> they are aware of the presences I create
2015-07-20 01:43 <Melanie_T> I know it's so LL specific as to be a real bitch to use
2015-07-20 01:44 <Melanie_T> but much can be faked
2015-07-20 01:44 <dahlia> Ive used IClientAPI before and it was a PITA to maintain
2015-07-20 01:44 <Melanie_T> and no, many modules hooking IClientAPI hoojs would not work
2015-07-20 01:44 <dahlia> because it changed so often and it was so ll specific
2015-07-20 01:44 <Melanie_T> dahlia: granted #2, but changes to IClientAPI have been exceedingly rare lately
2015-07-20 01:44 <dahlia> if they can see NPCs then they can see my presences
2015-07-20 01:45 <Melanie_T> s you may want to make a dummy IClientAPI object
2015-07-20 01:45 <Melanie_T> just so you can throw these two vital events
2015-07-20 01:45 <dahlia> Melanie_T: I'm not going to rewrite it. It works fine.
2015-07-20 01:45 <Melanie_T> it doesn't work fine with  lot of modules i am aware of
2015-07-20 01:45 <Melanie_T> in the days of IRegionModule, it was canon to hook client events
2015-07-20 01:45 <dahlia> well then those modules wont work with NPCs either
2015-07-20 01:46 <Melanie_T> no. they would ignore NPCs
2015-07-20 01:46 <Melanie_T> this may mean that Scene should grow a set of events that mirror OnNewClient and OnClientClosed
2015-07-20 01:46 <Melanie_T> so modules can be migrated away from directly using IClientAPI
2015-07-20 01:47 <Melanie_T> but instead can use events present on any type of avatar
2015-07-20 01:47 <dahlia> ya that might be useful
2015-07-20 01:47 <Melanie_T> instead of crashing on a null client pointer for NPCs
2015-07-20 01:47 <Melanie_T> really, no module should be using IClientAPI unless it's funcitionality is LL specific
2015-07-20 01:47 <Melanie_T> but then, there is another issue
2015-07-20 01:48 <dahlia> I'm focusing more on my proxy now anyway, the region module is falling behind a bit
2015-07-20 01:48 <Melanie_T> CAPS have been breaking out of LLClientspace
2015-07-20 01:48 <Melanie_T> modules now use caps directly
2015-07-20 01:48 <Melanie_T> dunno how that can work with new clients
2015-07-20 01:48 <Plugh> I hook onnewclient so I can add some other event handler hooks and make root/child agent and onclientclosed will let me track the avatar presence.
2015-07-20 01:48 <Melanie_T> as the caps payload is ll-defined
2015-07-20 01:49 <Melanie_T> Plugh: for your module, that is fine
2015-07-20 01:49 <dahlia> ya the caps is a mess
2015-07-20 01:49 <Melanie_T> it is designed for LL clients
2015-07-20 01:49 <Plugh> ok. Makes sense.
2015-07-20 01:49 <Melanie_T> however
2015-07-20 01:49 <Melanie_T> to be future prroof
2015-07-20 01:49 <Melanie_T> anything that deals with LLClientAPI should be in the same #region
2015-07-20 01:49 <Melanie_T> so if it needs changes
2015-07-20 01:49 <Melanie_T> you don't need to go over everything
2015-07-20 01:50 <Melanie_T> don't be afraid to make a one-line method
2015-07-20 01:50 <Melanie_T> the call will be optimized away anyway
2015-07-20 01:50 <Melanie_T> and it increases code maintainability
2015-07-20 01:50 <dahlia> actually it's been a while since I dug deep into NPCs but I thought they made an IClientAPI
2015-07-20 01:51 <dahlia> unless maybe my memory is glitching
2015-07-20 01:51 <Melanie_T> i think it's some sort fo dummy
2015-07-20 01:52 <dahlia> ya but it's an ICLientAPI 
2015-07-20 01:52 <Melanie_T> just to prevent crashes in code not adapted to not requiring one
2015-07-20 01:52 <Melanie_T> yes but it's not really functional
2015-07-20 01:52 <dahlia> not like a viewer
2015-07-20 01:52 <Plugh> I see many cases where event handlers are added in OnNewClient but I generally don't see them being removed in OnClientClosed. Is that an oversight, or wrong (due to copying code that forgot to remove things)?
2015-07-20 01:52 <Melanie_T> it's a minimum impl you may als want to use
2015-07-20 01:53 <Melanie_T> unless your intention is for whatever you're making to not be useful to existing social grids
2015-07-20 01:53 <dahlia> hmmm?
2015-07-20 01:53 <Melanie_T> Plugh: INonSharedRegionModule doesn't need to clean up
2015-07-20 01:54 <Melanie_T> it falls out fo scope and the system does the cleanup
2015-07-20 01:54 <Plugh> ossearch, osprofile, and the module I'm working on now are shared.
2015-07-20 01:55 <Melanie_T> dahlia: if what you're making needs to interoperate with people in an existing social grid context, mixing your viewer and LL viewers, it may be unwise to make something that may fail with modules commonly used in social grids
2015-07-20 01:55 <Melanie_T> Plugh: if a LLCleintView is deleted, so are it's events and listeners
2015-07-20 01:55 <Melanie_T> so an event on a client will be disconnected whent hatc lient goes away
2015-07-20 01:55 <Melanie_T> no need to do it explicitly
2015-07-20 01:56 <Melanie_T> event listeners are not references
2015-07-20 01:56 <dahlia> Melanie_T: 1) on vanilla opensim, my viewer avatars interact just fine with avatars on LL viewers. 2) I've focused more on my proxy lately, which works on any grid, even SL
2015-07-20 01:56 <Melanie_T> they don't block GC and the finalizers clean them up
2015-07-20 01:56 <Melanie_T> dahlia: i read you the first time
2015-07-20 01:57 <Plugh> Sounds like you never need to clean up if things fall out of scope on non-shared regions and clients go away for shared modules.
2015-07-20 01:57 <Melanie_T> there is no such thing as production use vanilla opensim
2015-07-20 01:57 <dahlia> oh well :)
2015-07-20 01:57 <Melanie_T> ll major grids have proprietary code that will be more LL specific than core generally is
2015-07-20 01:57 <dahlia> "works for me" (tm)
2015-07-20 01:57 <Plugh> dahlia: :)
2015-07-20 01:57 <Melanie_T> and a proxy eleganly avoids the issues :)
2015-07-20 01:58 <dahlia> yes the proxy solves many issues
2015-07-20 01:58 <Melanie_T> of course a native IClientAPI would solve them all
2015-07-20 01:58 <Melanie_T> at the cost of some major gruntwork
2015-07-20 01:59 <Melanie_T> tbh, i'd not be keen on making an alternative IClientAPI
2015-07-20 01:59 <dahlia> no, IClientAPI *causes* issues
2015-07-20 01:59 <Melanie_T> it's LL-ness means a lot of stuff your viewer may not have or want need to be simulated at least to the simulator's requirements
2015-07-20 02:00 <dahlia> Opensim really isnt suited to anything non-LL anyway
2015-07-20 02:00 <Melanie_T> i would not go that far
2015-07-20 02:00 <Melanie_T> but i agree it's very hard to make it work without a LL based viewer
2015-07-20 02:00 <dahlia> nothing else on the planet uses 2 level linksets
2015-07-20 02:01 <Melanie_T> or something that is a close workalike
2015-07-20 02:01 <Melanie_T> well, if i had gotten the funding from rex back then, we'd have multilevel link sets
2015-07-20 02:01 <Melanie_T> instead adam got it and defaulted on the work
2015-07-20 02:02 <Melanie_T> and it was never offered agan
2015-07-20 02:02 <dahlia> Its a good thing justin and I didnt get it ;)
2015-07-20 02:02 <Melanie_T> that would have resulted in an unpopular fork
2015-07-20 02:02 <Melanie_T> as people would not accept a system thatd oesn't support all of their LL viewers anymore
2015-07-20 02:04 <Plugh> I have the framework in place for my module. Next step is to fill in the details.
2015-07-20 02:04 <Plugh> :)
2015-07-20 02:04 <Melanie_T> :)
2015-07-20 02:04 <Melanie_T> ask if you need help or clarification
2015-07-20 02:05 <Plugh> I made notes from our talk the other day. I need to go over the notes again to work out the details to fill in for the code. 
2015-07-20 02:05 <Melanie_T> if it helps any
2015-07-20 02:05 <Plugh> I remember the general idea of the method you mentioned..
2015-07-20 02:05 <Melanie_T> i have the completed code in my head
2015-07-20 02:05 <Melanie_T> have had it for days
2015-07-20 02:06 <Plugh> :)  If only there was an easy way to do a brain dump. 
2015-07-20 02:06 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-07-20 02:06 <Melanie_T> i look for it every day
2015-07-20 02:06 <Melanie_T> when i had more time for opensim
2015-07-20 02:06 <Melanie_T> someone would make a suggestion
2015-07-20 02:06 <Melanie_T> ad i would push finished code 2 hours later
2015-07-20 02:06 <Plugh> Its good for me to go through the process of filling it in for myself as it is practice in writing in C#.
2015-07-20 02:07 <Plugh> yea, nice when you can do that. 
2015-07-20 02:07 <Plugh> I wish I could bang stuff out that fast. I have other projects I want to work on that I haven't had time for yet.
2015-07-20 02:08 <Plugh> Even more complicated than anything I'm doing in C# is a project or two that involves FPGA devices and using VHDL.
2015-07-20 02:09 <Melanie_T> i don't use fpgas anymore
2015-07-20 02:09 <Plugh> I've been involved in about 4 or 5 different things today. This module is just one.
2015-07-20 02:09 <Melanie_T> i fond that actual microcontrollers are better suited for most tasks
2015-07-20 02:09 <Plugh> Melanie_T: You've used them in the past? What do you use now?
2015-07-20 02:09 <Melanie_T> of course, you need fpga when you're just doing simple high speed logic
2015-07-20 02:10 <Melanie_T> and yes i used them inthe past but with low switching rate signales (< 4khz) you ca do more with mcus than fpgas
2015-07-20 02:10 <Plugh> oh, yea. It is something I want to learn about. There are some simple logic type things I want to do that offload some CPU overhead from an MCU.
2015-07-20 02:10 <Plugh> yea, 4k is nothing.
2015-07-20 02:11 <Melanie_T> mst appliations i deal with run less than that as input signal typcal frequency
2015-07-20 02:11 <Plugh> Melanie_T: Getting off topic, but out of curiousity: verilog or VHDL? Which type of MCU's? Whose FPGA's?
2015-07-20 02:12 <Melanie_T> verilog, atmel, various makers
2015-07-20 02:12 <Plugh> Melanie_T: I'm interested in some sign applications where data rates could be up around 1MHz and i also have an interest in software defined radio where data rates can get quite high.
2015-07-20 02:12 <Melanie_T> i am the one who first and originally decoded the fpga chil in the breadbox (C64) back in the days
2015-07-20 02:13 <Melanie_T> chip*
2015-07-20 02:13 <Plugh> ok. From what I've read I think VHDL looks better than Verilog (as I'm only doing this for myself at this point). I also prefer ATMEL AVR's, and currently Xilinx Spartan 3 and 6.
2015-07-20 02:13 <Melanie_T> i'm currently working on a system that will support a 30MHz scan rate on a LED grid
2015-07-20 02:13 <Melanie_T> it's meant to determine bullet foght paths
2015-07-20 02:14 <Melanie_T> flight*
2015-07-20 02:14 <Plugh> ok. Never touched a C64 myself but dealt with a number of other ones from those days. 
2015-07-20 02:14 <Melanie_T> the intention os to get three full scans on a bullet as it passes throught eh grid
2015-07-20 02:15 <Plugh> I have a sign panel that is around 2,560 LEDs: 80 columns, 16 rows, bi-colour LED's.
2015-07-20 02:15 <Melanie_T> i'd base that on an array of submodules using attiny 641 or similar
2015-07-20 02:16 <Plugh> Actually it is two panels of 40 columns that connect to each other 
2015-07-20 02:16 <Melanie_T> they can run 16MHz of i'm not mistaken
2015-07-20 02:16 <Melanie_T> connect via I2C
2015-07-20 02:16 <Plugh> yea, 16, some can do 20.
2015-07-20 02:16 <Melanie_T> most tines do 8 without a crystal
2015-07-20 02:16 <Plugh> Right.
2015-07-20 02:16 <Plugh> 8 is pretty much a default.
2015-07-20 02:17 <Melanie_T> but the 641 is a relatively new chip
2015-07-20 02:17 <Melanie_T> does 16 free-runnin
2015-07-20 02:17 <Plugh> oh, nice.
2015-07-20 02:17 <Melanie_T> i used in in a project but it used FT201X for USB
2015-07-20 02:17 <Plugh> I have ATtiny45, ATmega16, and ATmega644.
2015-07-20 02:17 <Melanie_T> then i found out the 201X doesn't have a viable low power mode
2015-07-20 02:17 <Melanie_T> so my circuit used 8mA
2015-07-20 02:18 <Melanie_T> in power down
2015-07-20 02:18 <Melanie_T> i redesigned it to use at90S162
2015-07-20 02:18 <Plugh> 
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2015-07-20 02:18 <Melanie_T> power down is now 8µa
2015-07-20 02:18 <Plugh> I'm using the '45 for now as I have it. I want 8 pin but will look at alternative devices later to reduce power consumption.
2015-07-20 02:19 <Melanie_T> i have most series atmel made
2015-07-20 02:19 <Melanie_T> some just one or two as samples
2015-07-20 02:19 <Melanie_T> some i have 100s
2015-07-20 02:19 <Plugh> I've already discovered a newer GPS receiver module for a project that will drop the power consumption in half for it. Next it cutting power down on the MCU
2015-07-20 02:19 <Melanie_T> i have a number of products pased on some popular atmels
2015-07-20 02:19 <Plugh> nice
2015-07-20 02:19 <Melanie_T> look into atxmega
2015-07-20 02:20 <Plugh> I have a project I've started up on hack a day.
2015-07-20 02:20 <Melanie_T> they're 1.8v to 3,3v
2015-07-20 02:20 <Melanie_T> no more 5v mode
2015-07-20 02:20 <Melanie_T> some have USB
2015-07-20 02:20 <Melanie_T> LUFA works fine on them
2015-07-20 02:20 <Plugh> The power to my board will from a 5V source.
2015-07-20 02:21 <Plugh> Aren't Xmega's the 32-bit devices?
2015-07-20 02:21 <Melanie_T> my last delivered project was an integrated timer soluton for a competiton shooting range
2015-07-20 02:21 <Melanie_T> it used 5v power for the satellite units
2015-07-20 02:21 <Melanie_T> and 3.3v power for the controller
2015-07-20 02:21 <Melanie_T> with an i2c level shifter in between
2015-07-20 02:21 <Melanie_T> turned out to ave capacitive loading issues
2015-07-20 02:21 <Melanie_T> so i had to step it down to 80kHz
2015-07-20 02:22 <Plugh> 
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2015-07-20 02:22 <Melanie_T> works like a charm now
2015-07-20 02:22 <Melanie_T> i can imagine you didn't expect to have this conversation with me :)
2015-07-20 02:22 <Plugh> I need to buffer the output as the AVR needs to feed signals to a device that I've read requires higher than typical output levels to see a logic high.
2015-07-20 02:23 <Plugh> Um... no, I didn't. :)
2015-07-20 02:23 <Melanie_T> don't bother witha  buffer
2015-07-20 02:23 <Melanie_T> pull up with 10k or 4.7k
2015-07-20 02:23 <Melanie_T> and set avr to oopen collector
2015-07-20 02:23 <Plugh> I said buffer but yea, that is pretty much what I plan to do. Just haven't gotten that far in the design yet.
2015-07-20 02:24 <Melanie_T> i control 5v controlled motor drivers from 3.3v avr using that method
2015-07-20 02:24 <Melanie_T> just needs a Z diode
2015-07-20 02:24 <Plugh> I'm about start the processing of the GPS data and sending it out at a different baud rate.
2015-07-20 02:24 <Melanie_T> to avoid killing the 3.v chio
2015-07-20 02:24 <Melanie_T> in your case that's a no issue
2015-07-20 02:24 <Melanie_T> non
2015-07-20 02:25 <Plugh> If you have a motor you do need to use a clamping diode to avoid blowing chip inputs. 
2015-07-20 02:25 <Melanie_T> i design circuits with the same unconscious ease that i design code with :)
2015-07-20 02:26 <Melanie_T> i use VNH3SP30
2015-07-20 02:26 <Melanie_T> a bitch to make boards for
2015-07-20 02:26 <Melanie_T> needs lots of thermal vias
2015-07-20 02:26 <Plugh> oh
2015-07-20 02:27 <Melanie_T> but of you need 24"/min @ 2 metric tons of power
2015-07-20 02:27 <Plugh> You talked about being old school once. I'm old school for electronics. I still mostly use through hole. 
2015-07-20 02:27 <Melanie_T> you need to switch some current
2015-07-20 02:27 <Plugh> 
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2015-07-20 02:27 <Melanie_T> i went SMD years ago
2015-07-20 02:27 <Melanie_T> THM is so old
2015-07-20 02:27 <Melanie_T> i have a rapid prototyping setup here
2015-07-20 02:28 <Melanie_T> from board designt o finished board in 6 hours
2015-07-20 02:28 <Melanie_T> including plated vias
2015-07-20 02:28 <Plugh> I'm not set up for SMT and they are harder to use when soldering a prototype board. I never got in to making my own PCBs
2015-07-20 02:28 <Plugh> nice
2015-07-20 02:29 <Melanie_T> i'm loking at multilayer resses
2015-07-20 02:29 <Plugh> For me, it is board design to finished board in 2 weeks via OSH Park. :)
2015-07-20 02:29 <Melanie_T> so i can do 4 and 6 layers
2015-07-20 02:30 <Plugh> I haven't needed more than 2 layers (so far).
2015-07-20 02:31 <Melanie_T> getting through hole plating working has been the greatest challenge
2015-07-20 02:31 <Melanie_T> with that, 2 layers have been enough
2015-07-20 02:31 <Melanie_T> and tbh, i'm not keen on micro vias and multilayers i can't test
2015-07-20 02:31 <Melanie_T> but as customer demand rises....
2015-07-20 02:32 <Melanie_T> you gotta do what you gotta do
2015-07-20 02:32 <Plugh> hm... I can't use xmega for my project. Min pin count is 32.
2015-07-20 02:32 <Melanie_T> says the fate assignment officer
2015-07-20 02:32 <Melanie_T> min ?
2015-07-20 02:32 <Melanie_T> did you mean to say max?
2015-07-20 02:33 <Plugh> yea, that is what it shows on the parametric selection page. pins of 32 to 100
2015-07-20 02:33 <Melanie_T> oh. ok, that way around
2015-07-20 02:33 <Melanie_T> all xmega are smd anyway
2015-07-20 02:33 <Plugh> too big for my needs.
2015-07-20 02:33 <Melanie_T> and they need a different programmer, too
2015-07-20 02:33 <Plugh> well, I could design a board and get it made. if pin spacing isn't too small I could handle it for the MCU.
2015-07-20 02:33 <Plugh> oh.
2015-07-20 02:33 <Melanie_T> stk500 won't burn them
2015-07-20 02:34 <Plugh> I don't use that. I was using a usbtiny but now I'm doing programming of AVR ATtiny and ATmega using my Raspberry Pi.
2015-07-20 02:34 <Melanie_T> they don't het done by SPI/HVPP/HVSP
2015-07-20 02:34 <Melanie_T> they use PDI
2015-07-20 02:36 <Melanie_T> the -U types can use atmel's own USB bootloader protocol
2015-07-20 02:36 <Plugh> ok
2015-07-20 02:36 <Melanie_T> but i made my own 109-based usb bootloader
2015-07-20 02:36 <Melanie_T> which avrdude can handle once i modified it
2015-07-20 02:36 <Melanie_T> for more than 64k address range
2015-07-20 02:37 <Melanie_T> because there is no atmel FLIP tool for anything but windows
2015-07-20 02:37 <dahlia> I've done a bit of array switching circuitry in the past, is implemented in mask chips. You may even have one :)  http://wandel.ca/hp45_anatomy/
2015-07-20 02:37 <Melanie_T> and i'd hit the welfare line before i let myself be forced to use windows
2015-07-20 02:38 <dahlia> custom NMOS
2015-07-20 02:38 <dahlia> of course that was longer ago than I care to admit and "use it or lose it"
2015-07-20 02:38 <Plugh> dahlia: HP41C ftw  :)
2015-07-20 02:39 <dahlia> Plugh: it's an ink jet printhead chip, not a calculator
2015-07-20 02:39 <dahlia> but ya, nice calculators :)
2015-07-20 02:39 <Plugh> Melanie_T: hehe  I have a couple of apps that still require Windows but I one of the apps I no longer need as I finally found a good replacement that runs in Linux.
2015-07-20 02:40 <Plugh> My PDA backup and a high end 3D modelling are the two main reasons I have for needing Windows. Other than that, it is for some games, but I usually have no time to play them so they don't matter much.
2015-07-20 02:42 <dahlia> I use windows on my main laptop and linux on a desktop very close by
2015-07-20 02:42 <dahlia> linux on all my servers
2015-07-20 02:42 <Plugh> Lightworks was finally released for Linux a while ago so now I can do video editing in Linux when I need to.
2015-07-20 02:43 <dahlia> Macs are nice but I'm too cheap :)
2015-07-20 02:43 <Melanie_T> i quit a job because the new company owners wanted to make exchange the compny communications mandate
2015-07-20 02:43 <Melanie_T> so i said, i use linux, how do i hook in
2015-07-20 02:43 <Plugh> I had a MB failure in my main computer. Now that I used that as a reason to upgrade instead of replace, the Windows side of my machine won't boot any more. I have a version of Windows available via emulation. Apart from that Windows will only live on laptop.
2015-07-20 02:43 <Melanie_T> and they said "we;re a windows shop, so you use windows"
2015-07-20 02:43 <Melanie_T> i said "i don't. i quit"
2015-07-20 02:43 <Plugh> oh. There is a Linux replacement for Exchange that is compatible with Exchange.
2015-07-20 02:44 <dahlia> ya there are gateways
2015-07-20 02:44 <Plugh> But that would require getting them to use it.
2015-07-20 02:44 <Melanie_T> there wasn't in '08
2015-07-20 02:44 <Plugh> It isn't just a gateway.
2015-07-20 02:44 <Plugh> I don't remember how long ago I found out about that.
2015-07-20 02:44 <dahlia> there was a hp-ux gateway in 08
2015-07-20 02:44 <Melanie_T> well, there was but it required a driver in the excahnge server they weren't willing to install
2015-07-20 02:44 <Plugh> 08? 2008? It was long before that.
2015-07-20 02:44 <Melanie_T> and also it lacked shared calndaring
2015-07-20 02:45 <Melanie_T> and the calendar and free/busy parts were what they wanted most
2015-07-20 02:45 <dahlia> ya maybe I'm thinking 03ish
2015-07-20 02:45 <Plugh> Either way, its ancient history  :)
2015-07-20 02:45 <dahlia> like hp-ux
2015-07-20 02:45 <Plugh> yeah
2015-07-20 02:45 <Melanie_T> and either way, linx still doesn't have enterprise-level shared calendaring
2015-07-20 02:46 <dahlia> theres prolly web stuff that works just fine
2015-07-20 02:47 <dahlia> excel and word are ok, powerpoint... meh.. the rest you can keep
2015-07-20 02:47 <dahlia> outlook... meh^2
2015-07-20 02:48 <dahlia> and I never liked shared calenders. I prefer to negotiate my own schedule
2015-07-20 02:57 <Plugh> Hm... if Exchange gives you that level of Calendar I should try finding that Linux system that can be used as an Exchange replacement 
2015-07-20 02:57 <Plugh> http://www.openchange.org/
2015-07-20 02:58 <Plugh> Different system (I think) than the one from years before, IIRC.
2015-07-20 02:58 <Plugh> ok, time to take a break.
2015-07-20 03:00 <Melanie_T> for that, tat company, that "windows shop" would have had to install a non-windows server
2015-07-20 03:00 <Melanie_T> when they wanted to forse all machines to windows
2015-07-20 03:00 <Melanie_T> so yes i split
2015-07-20 03:00 <Melanie_T> the better for me
2015-07-20 03:00 <Melanie_T> as the comany was soon asset-stripped
2015-07-20 03:00 <Melanie_T> although i was a key employee
2015-07-20 03:01 <Melanie_T> and could have halted the stripping for my department
2015-07-20 03:01 <Melanie_T> i wasn't too married to it
2015-07-20 03:01 <Melanie_T> because while i do a job and do it well
2015-07-20 03:01 <Melanie_T> i was opposed to it's purpose from the get-go
2015-07-20 03:01 <Melanie_T> because what i designed was the payment system for UK tv Licensing
2015-07-20 03:02 <Melanie_T> and I'm opposed to TV licensing in principle
2015-07-20 03:02 <Melanie_T> i do not believ it's i keeping woth today's technology to have to pay a license fee to own a tv set
2015-07-20 03:02 <dahlia> ya not fun to work on something you dont agree with
2015-07-20 03:02 <Melanie_T> i oppose tv licensing on principle
2015-07-20 03:02 <Melanie_T> and i also oppose PBS tax funding
2015-07-20 03:02 <dahlia> I dont watch tv :)
2015-07-20 03:02 <Melanie_T> let all tv be private
2015-07-20 03:03 <Melanie_T> a free world will produce what a free world needs
2015-07-20 03:03 <dahlia> moar advertising lol
2015-07-20 03:03 <Melanie_T> i'm not opposed to paying a subscription to be ad free
2015-07-20 03:03 <Melanie_T> ut i want it to be MY choice
2015-07-20 03:04 <dahlia> but its not really ad free. Even the content is polluted
2015-07-20 03:04 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-07-20 03:04 <Melanie_T> product placement
2015-07-20 03:04 <dahlia> product placement is the more blatent form
2015-07-20 03:05 <dahlia> investor ideology is there too
2015-07-20 03:05 <Melanie_T> the EU and UK banned subliminals years ago
2015-07-20 03:05 <Melanie_T> and i have my own ideology, thank you
2015-07-20 03:05 <dahlia> depends on how you define "subliminal" I guess
2015-07-20 03:05 <Melanie_T> single frame hidden produce images
2015-07-20 03:05 <Melanie_T> slogans
2015-07-20 03:05 <Melanie_T> etc
2015-07-20 03:06 <Melanie_T> product*
2015-07-20 03:06 <dahlia> oh ya well there are other ways
2015-07-20 03:06 <dahlia> like "unbiased" media which shows more of one side than another
2015-07-20 03:06 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-07-20 03:06 <Melanie_T> like that's why the bbc trust is getting the ax
2015-07-20 03:07 <Melanie_T> because the bbc has been left-wing biased for 20 years
2015-07-20 03:07 <Melanie_T> i want to see the bbc brought low
2015-07-20 03:07 <Melanie_T> dismantled
2015-07-20 03:07 <Melanie_T> made into a production company to produce pbs content on a government mandate
2015-07-20 03:08 <dahlia> I occasionally listen to BBC news on the radio, we get it here. I never considered it unbiased by any means tho
2015-07-20 03:08 <Melanie_T> on like 0.2% of income tac
2015-07-20 03:08 <Melanie_T> programmed tv and radio axed
2015-07-20 03:08 <Melanie_T> the profitable ones privatised
2015-07-20 03:08 <Melanie_T> and whatever is left put under the aegis of ofcom
2015-07-20 03:08 <dahlia> I also listen to NPR which is pretty far left
2015-07-20 03:09 <Melanie_T> i'm as far away from left as you can be without being a nazi
2015-07-20 03:09 <dahlia> lol
2015-07-20 03:09 <Melanie_T> soon as i get naturalization i will get a blue party book
2015-07-20 03:09 <dahlia> not me, I want my entitlements :)
2015-07-20 03:09 <Melanie_T> oh
2015-07-20 03:09 <Melanie_T> so what do you feel entitlted to?
2015-07-20 03:10 <dahlia> I've paid my fair share of taxes to fund oil company subsidies. It's time for me to collect now :)
2015-07-20 03:10 <smxy> Proceeds from the Social Security Insurance policy I've been paying into since I was 16.
2015-07-20 03:11 <dahlia> ya that too
2015-07-20 03:11 <Melanie_T> welfare MUST pay less than any kind of work
2015-07-20 03:11 <Melanie_T> if it does not, welfare becomes a way of life rather than ameans to survive between jobs
2015-07-20 03:11 <dahlia> what welfare? social security is not welfare
2015-07-20 03:11 <smxy> If you work 40 hours, you should only need one job and no welfare. But the minimum wage is too low here, for that.
2015-07-20 03:11 <Melanie_T> i wish UK/EU would adopt food stamps
2015-07-20 03:12 <Melanie_T> i love the concept of the stigma attached to spending them.it's a work-finding incentove
2015-07-20 03:12 <smxy> SSI is definitely not welfare. It's an insurance policy way premiums on.
2015-07-20 03:12 <dahlia> if the right wing wants to stop entitlements, let them start by cutting oil company subsidies
2015-07-20 03:12 <Melanie_T> so what will YOU drive?
2015-07-20 03:12 <smxy> s/way/we pay/
2015-07-20 03:13 <dahlia> I'll drive my little hyundai
2015-07-20 03:13 <Melanie_T> at $10/gallon?
2015-07-20 03:13 <Melanie_T> i doubt it
2015-07-20 03:13 <smxy> Electric.
2015-07-20 03:13 <smxy> Or hybrid
2015-07-20 03:13 <Melanie_T> smxy: see above. i dream of tesla :)
2015-07-20 03:13 <smxy> So do I. :)
2015-07-20 03:14 <dahlia> as much as I drive it wont matter much. The point is, the subsidies they want to stop are the ones anyone else besides them collect
2015-07-20 03:14 <Melanie_T> model S P85D
2015-07-20 03:14 <smxy> I'll never afford one though.
2015-07-20 03:14 <Melanie_T> dahlia: no one can deny that the GOP is also Big Oil
2015-07-20 03:14 <Melanie_T> its a US conundrum
2015-07-20 03:15 <Melanie_T> resolving that isn't easy
2015-07-20 03:15 <dahlia> oh big oil is in the left wing also
2015-07-20 03:15 <smxy> The GOP is also Bat Shit Crazy. :)
2015-07-20 03:15 <Melanie_T> my platform is:
2015-07-20 03:15 <smxy> Yerah, everyone's in bed with Big Oil.
2015-07-20 03:15 <Melanie_T> - any work MUST pay more than the highest tier of welfare
2015-07-20 03:15 <smxy> Yeah*
2015-07-20 03:15 <Melanie_T> - NO ONE should be left without a roof over their head, heat or lighting
2015-07-20 03:15 <dahlia> all this right/left crap is just them using the "divide and conquer" technique. It's all one machine
2015-07-20 03:16 <Melanie_T>  - Children MUST Be cared for, no matter what the parents do
2015-07-20 03:16 <dahlia> military and beaucracracy need each other
2015-07-20 03:16 <Melanie_T>  - Ill, handicapped and otherwise disabled must be card for, but should NOT procreate
2015-07-20 03:17 <Melanie_T> so, i guess i'm pretty right wing
2015-07-20 03:17 <Melanie_T> mitigated by a few things
2015-07-20 03:17 <smxy> Except for the procreation bit, that could be said by people on the left too.
2015-07-20 03:18 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-07-20 03:18 <Melanie_T> left and right are not that far apart
2015-07-20 03:18 <Melanie_T> not poles apart as the media woudl want you to believe
2015-07-20 03:18 <smxy> There was a tie when most people were center left or center right and could work together. But we're polorized now.
2015-07-20 03:19 <smxy> time*
2015-07-20 03:19 <Melanie_T> i believe that there is no right to disability. if a fetus is found to be disabled and to be nothing but a drain on the state for life, it needs to be prevented or aborted
2015-07-20 03:19 <smxy> polarized*
2015-07-20 03:19 <Melanie_T> i believe that everyone has a right to work, but also a duty to dinf work
2015-07-20 03:19 <smxy> Personally, I think that's a tad harsh.
2015-07-20 03:19 <Melanie_T> find*
2015-07-20 03:19 <dahlia> I'm not so one dimensional to believe in a "left" or "right". It's just an illusion propagated by the powers that be to meintain their power
2015-07-20 03:20 <Melanie_T> then again, i believe in tax relief for people raising children
2015-07-20 03:21 <Melanie_T> anyone raising a child in a partnership should be eligible to an amount of tax relief that allows one partner to not work but care for the children
2015-07-20 03:21 <Melanie_T> this includes same sex relationships
2015-07-20 03:21 <dahlia> and I dont mind oil company subsidies, as long as they realize where it comes from and dont try to cut off everyone else
2015-07-20 03:22 <Melanie_T> one of the fallacies of this age is that in the name of "feminism", it forces everyone to have a career
2015-07-20 03:22 <Melanie_T> even those who don't want to
2015-07-20 03:22 <Melanie_T> and would rather be staty-et-home parent
2015-07-20 03:22 <dahlia> ya I've heard that point more than once
2015-07-20 03:22 <Melanie_T> allowing single-earner families would take 1/3 of the entire population off the market
2015-07-20 03:23 <Melanie_T> and i one swell foop, cause unemployment to drop to zero
2015-07-20 03:23 <Melanie_T> of ourse that is unwanted
2015-07-20 03:23 <Melanie_T> zero unemplyment would make the jon market a buyer's market
2015-07-20 03:23 <Melanie_T> and thward BigBusiness
2015-07-20 03:23 <Melanie_T> as people who can offer work would be able to write their own ticket
2015-07-20 03:24 <Melanie_T> as demand would outstrip supply
2015-07-20 03:24 <dahlia> well there's always foreign outsourcing
2015-07-20 03:24 <Melanie_T> a U-turn
2015-07-20 03:24 <dahlia> works for a while
2015-07-20 03:24 <Melanie_T> well, the UK has dropped the axe on that
2015-07-20 03:24 <Melanie_T> thank got, hallejujah
2015-07-20 03:24 <dahlia> not the US
2015-07-20 03:25 <Melanie_T> i need to becoe the benevolent dictator of the UK on a 20 year mandate
2015-07-20 03:25 <dahlia> heh
2015-07-20 03:25 <Melanie_T> i'd turn that country into something to be remebered
2015-07-20 03:25 <dahlia> good luck with that :)
2015-07-20 03:26 <Melanie_T> heh, they'd never mention thatcher again
2015-07-20 03:26 <Melanie_T> i'd be the iron lady
2015-07-20 03:30 <nebadon> you getting any rain there dahlia?
2015-07-20 03:30 <nebadon> saw it was raining in California finally a bit :)
2015-07-20 03:47 <Melanie_T> "it never rains in california" lol
2015-07-20 03:59 <dahlia> nebadon: ya lots of rain the last couple days
2015-07-20 04:00 <dahlia> all soaks in really fast tho
2015-07-20 04:00 <dahlia> ground still very dry
2015-07-20 04:00 <dahlia> well runs off too, most prolly going down storm drains
2015-07-20 04:01 <dahlia> anyway, hopefully a good sign :)
2015-07-21 19:37 <osmantis> Bug #7647:04 Sim runs for a while, consuming more and more memory each hour, then finally crashes when all memory is used up. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7647 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-07-21 19:37 <osmantis> Bug #7640:04 [PATCH] MapTile Generating. Fix how maptiles are created on startup to half the workload of the maptile generating 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7640 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-07-21 19:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #4249 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-07-21 19:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4249: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4249/
2015-07-21 19:47 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: Prevent two maptiles being generated at startup, one for v1 and another for v2-3 service. * v1 Service (WorldMapModule) is called directly by scene on startup. This patch moves the initial map registration of the v2-3 service (MapImageServiceModule) to that point so they can share the bitmap instead of doubling the work of Warp3D and exasperate its memory leak issues.
2015-07-21 19:50 <osmantis> Bug #7647:04 Sim runs for a while, consuming more and more memory each hour, then finally crashes when all memory is used up. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7647 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-07-21 20:13 <osmantis> Bug #7645:04 column "cloud_scroll_x_lock" is of type smallint but expression is of type boolean 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7645 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-21 20:18 <osmantis> Bug #7647:04 Sim runs for a while, consuming more and more memory each hour, then finally crashes when all memory is used up. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7647 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-21 20:26 <osmantis> Bug #7645:04 column "cloud_scroll_x_lock" is of type smallint but expression is of type boolean 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7645 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-21 21:06 <osmantis> Bug #7643:04 Only one record is inserted in the im_offline table - EVER - this record is being constantly overwritten. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-21 23:25 -!- slk(~oyk@devnull.drwxr-xr-x.eu) has left #opensim-dev
2015-07-22 03:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #4250 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-07-22 03:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4250: SUCCESS in 4 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4250/
2015-07-22 03:20 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: fix cut-and-paste typo in constraint frame setting.
2015-07-22 06:57 <Alex__> Hello here, Any people, The system currency notification system on viewer have changed ? above 1.23 work afer only the upload texture seen a message 
2015-07-22 07:36 <LiruCookies> Alex__: huh?
2015-07-22 09:29 <osmantis> Bug #7646:04 Opensim 8.2 [J2KIMAGE]: RunUpdate() called with missing asset data (no missing image texture?).  14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7646 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-22 10:12 <osmantis> Bug #7644:04 FSAssets Robust[.HG].ini changes cause error even in GridAssets_Default.ini case 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7644 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-22 10:20 <AliciaRaven> hi orenh, i dont understand the links in that last mantis comment, i think they have been misinterpreted as mantis numbers
2015-07-22 10:20 <orenh> Yes, I immediately saw that and edited the note
2015-07-22 10:20 <orenh> I tried to write "#1", "#2", etc.
2015-07-22 10:20 <AliciaRaven> ah got it, thanks
2015-07-22 10:21 <AliciaRaven> i had assumed that includes worked universally when i added those, didnt occur to me that was a possibility
2015-07-22 10:24 <osmantis> Bug #7644:04 FSAssets Robust[.HG].ini changes cause error even in GridAssets_Default.ini case 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7644 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-22 11:34 <osmantis> Bug #7644:04 FSAssets Robust[.HG].ini changes cause error even in GridAssets_Default.ini case 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7644 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-07-22 11:35 <AliciaRaven> orenh, if you still around there is a patch there now to fix that config include oversight, if u have time to apply it?
2015-07-22 11:41 <orenh> I'd like Melanie to look at it first
2015-07-22 11:41 <orenh> Melanie_T please see the patch at http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7644
2015-07-22 11:42 <AliciaRaven> ok
2015-07-22 12:48 <osmantis> Bug #7648:04 Incompatibility between objects sent via HG from a linux-hosted region/grid and then opened on a Win-hosted region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7648 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-07-22 12:51 <osmantis> Bug #7648:04 Incompatibility between objects sent via HG from a linux-hosted region/grid and then opened on a Win-hosted region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7648 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-07-22 17:35 <Melanie_T> orenh: am I to assume, from that patch, that includes including other includes doesn't work?
2015-07-22 17:35 <orenh> Right. That code doesn't exist in Robust.
2015-07-22 17:35 <orenh> I have actually already applied that patch because I wanted to proceed, but I haven't pushed it yet.
2015-07-22 17:35 <orenh> Do you want to implement includes in Robust instead?
2015-07-22 17:38 <Melanie_T> oh! I see. right, I added includes to opensim proper,, not nini
2015-07-22 17:38 <Melanie_T> s of course robust is till linear
2015-07-22 17:38 <Melanie_T> and not expected to get complex enough to need includes IMHO
2015-07-22 17:38 <Melanie_T> please push it when you get a chance
2015-07-22 17:38 <orenh> ok, thanks
2015-07-22 17:42 <osmantis> Bug #7644:04 FSAssets Robust[.HG].ini changes cause error even in GridAssets_Default.ini case 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7644 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-07-22 17:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #4251 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-07-22 17:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4251: SUCCESS in 9 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4251/
2015-07-22 17:50 <osjenkins> * orenh: Added the thread name to the logs
2015-07-22 17:50 <osjenkins> * orenh: Added logging in places where regions are searched for by their location
2015-07-22 17:50 <osjenkins> * orenh: Robust config loader does not support config includes. Replace these additions for FSAssets with direct options in robust.ini example files instead.
2015-07-22 17:50 <osjenkins> * orenh: Added locking to HypergridLinker, to prevent problems if multiple linking requests for the same region are handled simultaneously
2015-07-22 19:57 <osmantis> Bug #7645:04 column "cloud_scroll_x_lock" is of type smallint but expression is of type boolean 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7645 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-22 20:00 <osmantis> Bug #7645:04 column "cloud_scroll_x_lock" is of type smallint but expression is of type boolean 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7645 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-22 23:26 <osmantis> Bug #7645:04 column "cloud_scroll_x_lock" is of type smallint but expression is of type boolean 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7645 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-23 00:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #4252 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-07-23 00:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4252: SUCCESS in 4 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4252/
2015-07-23 00:05 <osjenkins> melanie: Add quotes aroung LandFlags as PGSQL seems to choke on the word when
2015-07-23 03:46 <Ken_S> Dev master is compiling with errors.
2015-07-23 03:47 <Ken_S> on windows
2015-07-23 03:48 <Ken_S> I take that back, its the Diva Wifi add-on that's not compiling.
2015-07-23 07:35 <osmantis> Bug #7645:04 column "cloud_scroll_x_lock" is of type smallint but expression is of type boolean 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7645 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-23 08:30 <osmantis> Bug #7644:04 FSAssets Robust[.HG].ini changes cause error even in GridAssets_Default.ini case 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7644 ): has been REOPENED.
2015-07-23 08:43 <osmantis> Bug #7644:04 FSAssets Robust[.HG].ini changes cause error even in GridAssets_Default.ini case 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7644 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-07-23 09:31 <JunkHunk> hello when trying to get this script working in opensim 0.8.1 I get this error:
2015-07-23 09:31 <JunkHunk> http://pastebin.com/Taq1sRsK
2015-07-23 09:32 <JunkHunk> http://pastebin.com/gY46SBXG
2015-07-23 09:32 <JunkHunk> I already enabled osfunctions
2015-07-23 09:34 <JunkHunk> http://pastebin.com/a2YP67DV
2015-07-23 09:34 <JunkHunk> does anybody know why that error appears?
2015-07-23 09:36 <JunkHunk> I cannot find command functions module in opensim.ini
2015-07-23 09:37 <JunkHunk> allowmodfunctions perhaps?
2015-07-23 09:40 <JunkHunk> no
2015-07-23 09:40 <JunkHunk> setting that to true does nothing 
2015-07-23 09:42 <JunkHunk> well..
2015-07-23 09:42 <JunkHunk> indeed it fixed the missing module
2015-07-23 09:42 <JunkHunk> error
2015-07-23 09:42 <JunkHunk> but
2015-07-23 09:42 <JunkHunk> still not working
2015-07-23 09:44 <JunkHunk> now I get this: Exception rethrown at [0]: 
2015-07-23 09:44 <JunkHunk>  ---> OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Shared.ScriptException: MOD Runtime Error: llAttachToAvatarTemp: parameter type mismatch; expecting Int32, type(parm)=System.Int32
2015-07-23 09:45 <osmantis> Bug #7649:04 Fixed issue with classifieds not charging on region with money 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7649 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-07-23 09:45 <osmantis> Bug #7649:04 Fixed issue with classifieds not charging on region with money 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7649 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-07-23 09:45 <JunkHunk> I found this in the internet: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6562
2015-07-23 09:55 <JunkHunk> yep that is the solution
2015-07-23 09:55 <JunkHunk> to add (integer) 
2015-07-23 10:05 <JunkHunk> ...anyway
2015-07-23 10:06 <JunkHunk> llattachtoavatartemp won't work for mesh objects :-(
2015-07-23 10:06 <JunkHunk> so the outfits I made cannot be attached this way
2015-07-23 10:07 <JunkHunk> does anybody know how?
2015-07-23 10:09 <JunkHunk> this could be the thread... https://bitbucket.org/marinekelley/rlv/issues/67
2015-07-23 10:14 <JunkHunk> nah
2015-07-23 10:14 <JunkHunk> the issue was my mesh avi was phantom
2015-07-23 10:15 <JunkHunk> and then not working
2015-07-23 10:15 <JunkHunk> fixed now
2015-07-23 10:15 <JunkHunk> how would I attach an alpha layer and an AO?
2015-07-23 10:16 <JunkHunk> the same way
2015-07-23 10:16 <JunkHunk> together?
2015-07-23 10:25 <JunkHunk> anybody has avastar?
2015-07-23 10:26 <JunkHunk> there must be a way to include an alpha layer in the avastar_parented.dae file
2015-07-23 10:26 <JunkHunk> before exporting
2015-07-23 10:31 <osmantis> Bug #7645:04 column "cloud_scroll_x_lock" is of type smallint but expression is of type boolean 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7645 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-23 10:38 <osmantis> Bug #7650:04 Robust.[HG.].ini [AssetsService] FSAssets comment additions needs a few typos corrected and tweaks 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7650 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-07-23 10:49 <osmantis> Bug #7645:04 column "cloud_scroll_x_lock" is of type smallint but expression is of type boolean 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7645 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-23 10:50 <osmantis> Bug #7648:04 Incompatibility between objects sent via HG from a linux-hosted region/grid and then opened on a Win-hosted region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7648 ): has been set as DUPLICATE OF issue 0007514.
2015-07-23 10:50 <osmantis> Bug #7514:04 Can't rez items from OSGrid on my own grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7514 ): The issue 0007648 has been set as DUPLICATE OF the following issue.
2015-07-23 10:56 <osmantis> Bug #7645:04 column "cloud_scroll_x_lock" is of type smallint but expression is of type boolean 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7645 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-23 11:08 <osmantis> Bug #7648:04 Incompatibility between objects sent via HG from a linux-hosted region/grid and then opened on a Win-hosted region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7648 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-23 11:22 <osmantis> Bug #7645:04 column "cloud_scroll_x_lock" is of type smallint but expression is of type boolean 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7645 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-23 11:27 <osmantis> Bug #7566:04 DNS Caching in Mono 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7566 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-23 11:28 <osmantis> Bug #7645:04 column "cloud_scroll_x_lock" is of type smallint but expression is of type boolean 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7645 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-23 12:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #4253 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-07-23 12:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4253: SUCCESS in 8 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4253/
2015-07-23 12:24 <osjenkins> * orenh: Git-ignore log files and console history files
2015-07-23 12:24 <osjenkins> * orenh: Removed unused code related to DNS lookups
2015-07-23 13:07 <osmantis> Bug #7650:04 Robust.[HG.].ini [AssetsService] FSAssets comment additions needs a few typos corrected and tweaks 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7650 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-23 14:40 <osmantis> Bug #7645:04 column "cloud_scroll_x_lock" is of type smallint but expression is of type boolean 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7645 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-23 14:45 <osmantis> Bug #7648:04 Incompatibility between objects sent via HG from a linux-hosted region/grid and then opened on a Win-hosted region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7648 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-23 14:48 <osmantis> Bug #7645:04 column "cloud_scroll_x_lock" is of type smallint but expression is of type boolean 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7645 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-23 15:24 <osmantis> Bug #7649:04 Fixed issue with classifieds not charging on region with money 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7649 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2015-07-23 16:11 <Plugh> Does Robust have command line switches to tell it where to get its ini and configuration files?
2015-07-23 16:48 <nebadon> yes Plug
2015-07-23 16:48 <nebadon> same method I showed you before
2015-07-23 16:49 <nebadon> ie : -inifile=/home/user/regions/configs/Robust/Robust.ini;
2015-07-23 16:50 <nebadon> robust only has 1 ini so
2015-07-23 16:50 <nebadon> not as complicated as region
2015-07-23 17:10 <Plugh> oh. I thought I tried it. I think I missed the = sign. :)
2015-07-23 17:15 <Plugh> bah. Using long command line switches that start with single - keeps throwing me off a bit. The *nix convention is single letter switches use a single - while long switch strings use double -
2015-07-23 17:16 <Plugh> Kind of odd too. When I used --inifile it said it couldn't find the file but when it reported what file it couldn't find it showed the correct path to the file.
2015-07-23 17:45 <Plugh> nebadon: How do you manage your custom config file for logging to avoid it getting clobbered during upgrades? Just copy the file from a safe location after copying in latest code?
2015-07-23 17:49 <nebadon> yes
2015-07-23 17:49 <nebadon> unfortunately there is no way around that I am aware of
2015-07-23 17:50 <osmantis> Bug #7649:04 Fixed issue with classifieds not charging on region with money 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7649 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-23 17:51 <smxy> I store all my config files outside of bin. In fact, nothing under bin ever gets touched/created/removed, by either OpenSim or myself. That's how I keep things from getting clobbered.
2015-07-23 17:51 <nebadon> even OpenSim.exe.config smxy?
2015-07-23 17:51 <smxy> And every time I update, I diff my files against what came in the new build, and update mine accordingly.
2015-07-23 17:51 <smxy> Yes
2015-07-23 17:51 <nebadon> that is what we are talking about
2015-07-23 17:52 <nebadon> really how?
2015-07-23 17:52 <Plugh> smxy: How do you tell it where to find the .config file?
2015-07-23 17:52 <smxy> You can specify its location on the command line.
2015-07-23 17:52 <nebadon> I thought that needed to be in the same location as .exe
2015-07-23 17:52 <nebadon> how?
2015-07-23 17:52 <smxy> just a sec
2015-07-23 17:52 <Plugh> An undocumented command line switch?  :)
2015-07-23 17:52 <nebadon> it must be a mono switch
2015-07-23 17:52 <nebadon> I think anyway
2015-07-23 17:52 <Plugh> oh, perhaps that.
2015-07-23 17:53 <smxy> -logconfig=/path/to/OpenSim.exe.config or whatever you've renamed it to. And in that file, you can change the name of the log, if you want, as well as where it's written.
2015-07-23 17:54 <smxy> Not a mono switch. And OpenSim and Robust switch
2015-07-23 17:54 <Plugh> nebadon: btw, if I use -inidirectory for instances, will that tell it where to look for all instance .ini files, and region files? 
2015-07-23 17:54 <smxy> An*
2015-07-23 17:54 <nebadon> hmm cool I was unaware of that
2015-07-23 17:54 <Plugh> smxy: is that a switch to the .exe programs or to mono?
2015-07-23 17:54 <nebadon> Plugh yes but I ran into issues using that myself
2015-07-23 17:54 <nebadon> initially i was using that
2015-07-23 17:55 <nebadon> but then something changed in opensim and causes me all kinds of problems
2015-07-23 17:55 <smxy> Plugh: Not mono.
2015-07-23 17:55 <nebadon> it was something about the order the inis got loaded
2015-07-23 17:55 <nebadon> causes certain modules to stop working correctly
2015-07-23 17:55 <nebadon> this was stuff not in core of course
2015-07-23 17:55 <nebadon> i imagine if your running clean core it works fine
2015-07-23 17:55 <Plugh> 
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2015-07-23 17:55 <smxy> nebadon: I use inidirectory. I just named my files such that they loaded in the order I wanted.
2015-07-23 17:56 <nebadon> ya it works
2015-07-23 17:56 <smxy> As it does it alphabetically, from what I can tell.
2015-07-23 17:56 <nebadon> but i ran into trouble with one of the modules we were using or something
2015-07-23 17:56 <nebadon> its been a while I dont recall exactly what the problem was
2015-07-23 17:56 <Plugh> nebadon: was the module ini in the addons dir?
2015-07-23 17:57 <nebadon> i dont recall now
2015-07-23 17:57 <smxy> The line in my script that actually starts everything is: ulimit -s 262144 && exec mono --server --debug OpenSim.exe -inidirectory=${etc}/region_files/${1} -logconfig=${etc}/region_files/${1}/OpenSim.exe.config
2015-07-23 17:57 <nebadon> the problem I had may have even been fixes since then
2015-07-23 17:57 <nebadon> i kind of recall it being something with ossearch
2015-07-23 17:57 <nebadon> because of the internal search diva added
2015-07-23 17:57 <nebadon> but i might be misremembering
2015-07-23 17:58 <nebadon> very possible what i ran into isnt a problem anymore
2015-07-23 17:58 <Plugh> nebadon: ok. yea, that might not be an issue anymore.
2015-07-23 17:58 <smxy> My line for Robust is: exec mono --server --debug Robust.exe -inifile=${etc}/${1}.ini -logconfig=${etc}/region_files/${1}/Robust.exe.config
2015-07-23 17:59 <Plugh> Dang it. If I can remember my os wiki password I'll update the page with the command line switches.
2015-07-23 17:59 <nebadon> i stopped using --server myself
2015-07-23 17:59 <smxy> Why?
2015-07-23 17:59 <nebadon> i was running into threading issues
2015-07-23 17:59 <nebadon> i couldnt start as many simulators on a server
2015-07-23 17:59 <nebadon> if they all uses --server
2015-07-23 17:59 <nebadon> i could only load about 2/3 as many simulators
2015-07-23 17:59 <nebadon> before they started crashing
2015-07-23 17:59 <Plugh> nebadon: Umm... did you realize that the information you gave me recently included --server?
2015-07-23 18:00 <smxy> Then your OS limits were too low.
2015-07-23 18:00 <nebadon> i max everything out smxy
2015-07-23 18:00 <nebadon> these are large, heavily filled up simulators 
2015-07-23 18:00 <smxy> I have only run as many as 9 on a VM and have had no issues.
2015-07-23 18:00 <nebadon> but i ran into same thing at OSCC
2015-07-23 18:00 <nebadon> on server with 24 cpu cores and 64gb ram
2015-07-23 18:00 <nebadon> ya
2015-07-23 18:01 <nebadon> this is more than 9
2015-07-23 18:01 <nebadon> OSCC had 21 simulators + 7 robust consoles
2015-07-23 18:01 <nebadon> on a single server
2015-07-23 18:01 <nebadon> I am not saying dont use --server just be aware
2015-07-23 18:01 <nebadon> as your grid grows that could trigger failurs
2015-07-23 18:02 <nebadon> more content / more sims etc..
2015-07-23 18:02 <smxy> I just make more VMs. :)
2015-07-23 18:02 <nebadon> all --server does is make threading more aggresive
2015-07-23 18:02 <nebadon> you end up using alot more threads
2015-07-23 18:02 <smxy> Lets me segregate user's regions from one another, too.
2015-07-23 18:02 <nebadon> ya
2015-07-23 18:03 <nebadon> the more you keep things seperated the more reliable that switch becomes
2015-07-23 18:03 <nebadon> and Plugh, yea I looked at a old script not in use anymore
2015-07-23 18:03 <nebadon> when i copied and pasted that too you
2015-07-23 18:03 <nebadon> guess I just didnt realize i grabbed the --server too
2015-07-23 18:03 <nebadon> also --server is probably not so bad on Robust
2015-07-23 18:03 <nebadon> robust is not very thread heavy
2015-07-23 18:04 <nebadon> I doubt --server will even do much for robust
2015-07-23 18:04 <nebadon> atleast when compared to the simulator its not 
2015-07-23 18:06 <nebadon> ok AFK a few, time for my daily bike ride
2015-07-23 18:07 <osmantis> Bug #7645:04 column "cloud_scroll_x_lock" is of type smallint but expression is of type boolean 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7645 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-23 18:10 <Plugh> Enjoy. I plan to get out this afternoon for a break. Spent the past two days working on a management related project for a grid.
2015-07-23 18:13 <Plugh> Oh, turns out I'm not paying enough attention to what I'm reading logconfig switch is already on the page of known switches.
2015-07-23 18:13 <Plugh> :D
2015-07-23 18:14 <Plugh> smxy: Do you use an absolute path in the .config file you point to for the name of the log file or a relative one?
2015-07-23 18:17 <osmantis> Bug #7647:04 Sometimes sim starts using about 1GB memory per hour until PC runs out of memory and crashes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7647 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-07-23 18:18 <Ken_S> Nebadon, have you seem this mantis: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7647
2015-07-23 18:18 <Ken_S> This started about 2 weeks or so ago.
2015-07-23 18:27 <Dev_Random> Plugh: You can also use environment variables (set in a launch script). e.g.   <file value="${OPENSIM_HOME}/Logs/${SIM_NAME}.OpenSim.log" />
2015-07-23 18:29 <osmantis> Bug #7647:04 Sometimes sim starts using about 1GB memory more per hour until PC runs out of memory and crashes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7647 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-07-23 18:36 <nebadon> Ken_S if you revert it stops?
2015-07-23 18:37 <nebadon> Would be great if you could bisect the exact version
2015-07-23 18:37 <nebadon> sooner the better
2015-07-23 18:37 <nebadon> the more time that passes on that the harder it becomes
2015-07-23 18:43 <Ken_S> Nebadon, yes I know but it takes at least an hour to detect it starting
2015-07-23 18:45 <Ken_S> and I'm working 12-14 hours a day right now in rl.
2015-07-23 18:48 <Plugh> Dev_Random: That iswhat I'm setting up now.
2015-07-23 18:50 <nebadon> ok Ken_S I totally understand that. Not a whole lot I can do for testing on windwos
2015-07-23 18:50 <nebadon> however
2015-07-23 18:50 <nebadon> we did notice almost exactly what you are saying on newer versions of mono
2015-07-23 18:50 <nebadon> but only on certain simulators
2015-07-23 18:51 <nebadon> which leads me to beleive its something in the simulators that is the cause
2015-07-23 18:51 <nebadon> like Wright Plaza for instance
2015-07-23 18:51 <nebadon> on mono 4.0.1 there was times it was using 8+gb ram
2015-07-23 18:51 <nebadon> I think i saw it using 12gb ram once
2015-07-23 18:51 <nebadon> switch to mono 3.12.1 and it goes back to normal
2015-07-23 18:52 <nebadon> I could not explain it
2015-07-23 18:52 <nebadon> so we stayed on 3.12 for now
2015-07-23 18:52 <nebadon> Wright Plaza gets a ton of visitors though too
2015-07-23 18:52 <nebadon> so its possible something someone was wearing
2015-07-23 18:52 <nebadon> it sounds like in your case traffic is not an issue though
2015-07-23 18:52 <nebadon> if just a single NPC or avatar does it
2015-07-23 18:52 <nebadon> I would suggest first thing you do is disable Xengine
2015-07-23 18:52 <nebadon> and see if it continues
2015-07-23 18:53 <nebadon> if it does, next thing is re-enable xengine and disable physics
2015-07-23 18:53 <nebadon> or switch to basic physics or something
2015-07-23 18:53 <nebadon> try to pinpoint the source
2015-07-23 18:54 <nebadon> also triple check that Warp3D maptile is not regenerating tiles on timer
2015-07-23 18:55 <nebadon> no doubt you already are, but make sure you have fully updated Grid.ini etc....
2015-07-23 18:55 <nebadon> Hypergrid.ini etc..
2015-07-23 18:55 <osmantis> Bug #7645:04 column "cloud_scroll_x_lock" is of type smallint but expression is of type boolean 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7645 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-23 18:55 <nebadon> old versions of that had the Warp3D timer set 
2015-07-23 18:55 <nebadon> and changing OpenSim.ini had no effect
2015-07-23 18:55 <nebadon> i fixed it a while back, just make sure your not using old ini files
2015-07-23 19:22 <JunkHunk> is there a way to increase jump distance?
2015-07-23 19:23 <JunkHunk> if I make a blender bvh animation with a higher jump will it play same way in opensimulator?
2015-07-23 19:30 <nebadon> yes it will Junkhunk
2015-07-23 19:30 <nebadon> animations you can make avatars hover and fly even
2015-07-23 19:30 <JunkHunk> testing :-)
2015-07-23 19:31 <nebadon> you can even make animations that sink you down under the ground
2015-07-23 19:31 <nebadon> i had a teleporter hud taht did that
2015-07-23 19:32 <nebadon> it would rez like this wierd elven looking magical symbol thing on the ground with particles
2015-07-23 19:32 <nebadon> then you avatar would sink into the ground
2015-07-23 19:32 <nebadon> then teleport away
2015-07-23 19:32 <nebadon> very dramatic :)
2015-07-23 19:36 <JunkHunk> quite cool
2015-07-23 19:52 <JunkHunk> hey I ve been playing with llattach_toavatartemp today...
2015-07-23 19:52 <JunkHunk> I wanted to attach a rigged outfit when the avatar runs into it...
2015-07-23 19:53 <JunkHunk> but I also need to set an animation override for that outfit...
2015-07-23 19:54 <JunkHunk> how to do it=
2015-07-23 19:54 <JunkHunk> ?
2015-07-23 19:54 <JunkHunk> put the avatar does not have the AO in inventory...
2015-07-23 19:55 <JunkHunk> I am using attach_toavatarTemp for the same reason
2015-07-23 19:55 <JunkHunk> the outfit is only in the sim
2015-07-23 19:55 <JunkHunk> and it vanishes after a given time
2015-07-23 19:55 <JunkHunk> but for the AO?
2015-07-23 19:56 <JunkHunk> how do I get the same performance?
2015-07-23 19:56 <nebadon> AO is just an attachment too
2015-07-23 19:56 <nebadon> doesnt have to be visible
2015-07-23 19:57 <nebadon> you could technically put the AO inside the rigged avatar
2015-07-23 19:57 <JunkHunk> oh
2015-07-23 19:57 <JunkHunk> that would be cool
2015-07-23 19:57 <nebadon> there are bunch of LSL AO scripts floating around
2015-07-23 19:57 <nebadon> but thats how you do things like parachutes
2015-07-23 19:58 <JunkHunk> oh no 
2015-07-23 19:58 <JunkHunk> I want to keep my feet on the ground
2015-07-23 19:58 <nebadon> :)
2015-07-23 19:58 <JunkHunk> :-)
2015-07-23 19:58 <JunkHunk> opensim is too cool to be true
2015-07-23 19:58 <JunkHunk> I have fun with this
2015-07-23 19:59 <nebadon> nice
2015-07-23 19:59 <nebadon> your doing it wrong if your not having fun :)
2015-07-23 19:59 <JunkHunk> often too stubborn to notice very true
2015-07-23 20:00 <JunkHunk> hey see you later 
2015-07-23 20:00 <JunkHunk> I need to go now
2015-07-23 20:05 <nebadon> I registered for FOSSCON
2015-07-23 20:05 <nebadon> Think I am going to attend
2015-07-23 20:05 <nebadon> http://fosscon.us/
2015-07-23 20:05 <nebadon> its only like 30 minutes from my house
2015-07-23 20:43 <smxy> Dev_Random: in the .config file, those variables will be pulled in and used when the variables are defined in a surrounding shell script on Linux? That would be nice, as then I could have just one file I use for all the simulators. Right now, I have one per, with the path hardcoded, which I'd definitely prefer not to do.
2015-07-23 20:45 <smxy> I knew I could do that on the mono command line, as variables there get interpreted by the sheel the command is execyted in. I didn;t know they could be used in the OpenSim.exe.config file though.
2015-07-23 20:45 <nebadon> yea exactly smxy, we do same thing
2015-07-23 20:45 <nebadon> for writing file
2015-07-23 20:45 <smxy> didn't*
2015-07-23 20:45 <nebadon> we set the variable for file name in the bash script
2015-07-23 20:45 <nebadon> then it gets passed to the .config
2015-07-23 20:45 <nebadon> for the log file name
2015-07-23 20:45 <smxy> Sweet, that will let me simplify one of the few places I didn't think I could.
2015-07-23 20:46 <smxy> Thanks.
2015-07-23 21:09 <Dev_Random> smxy: yeah.. I spent a pile of time setting things up as generically as possible using ${SIM_NAME} and such, and the [Environment] section of OpenSim.ini
2015-07-23 21:11 <smxy> Dev_Random: Yes, me too. I have everything like that, and I run everything out of a single copy of the code that is NFS-shared around to all of my VMs.
2015-07-23 21:12 <smxy> Single copy of mono too. Everything needed to run the sims is on that share, and any logs get written to it, etc..
2015-07-23 21:13 <Dev_Random> heh.. so you're probably just as annoyed when a new feature is added that writes to bin by default, and you have to edit your configs to move it...
2015-07-23 21:13 <smxy> Yes, but I cope. :)
2015-07-23 21:13 <Plugh> I thought we were talking about this about 2 hours ago and you are still at it?  ;)
2015-07-23 21:13 <Dev_Random> just started again
2015-07-23 21:13 <Plugh> 
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2015-07-23 21:13 <Plugh> yea, didn't think you had been going this long.
2015-07-23 21:13 <smxy> We came back to it. I was away, working. Something has to pay for this hobby. :)
2015-07-23 21:13 <Dev_Random> high latency
2015-07-23 21:14 <Plugh> I'm doing the same thing with using env vars and/or command line args to specify info for instances to start up.
2015-07-23 21:18 <smxy> I used to start all my sims in different windows using 'screen', but now I use 'tmux' which I found easier to script. When I start a VM up I just login, run start_everything and it figures out which sims should be running on that VM, starts up tmux with the right number of windows and then starts one sim per window by running a looping script wich calls another to aactually start the sim. 
2015-07-23 21:18 <smxy> If that exits, the looping script will start it up again 30 seconds later. It lets region owners restart their regions from the region floater. I have provisions for telling it to NOT restart the sim too, when needed, etc..
2015-07-23 21:20 <Ken_S> Nebadon, have you noticed that Diva's WIFI module will no longer compile with opensim as of 2 days ago?
2015-07-23 21:22 <Plugh> Ken_S: What error are you getting?
2015-07-23 21:22 <smxy> It hasn't for a while. She made a mono add-in out of it/
2015-07-23 21:22 <smxy> You get the binary add-in from her repo and install it separately.
2015-07-23 21:24 <Ken_S> The latest code was compiling OK as of 4 days ago.
2015-07-23 21:24 <Ken_S> I'll just delete the Diva stuff from the add-in folder and go without it for a while
2015-07-23 21:25 <smxy> She stopped supporting it that way, I believe, and only supports it as an add-in now.
2015-07-23 21:25 <smxy> Starting with 8.1
2015-07-23 21:25 <Ken_S> To make sure the memory issue isnt coming from something like that.
2015-07-23 21:40 <nebadon> Ken_S no
2015-07-23 21:40 <nebadon> i almost never compile wifi
2015-07-23 21:40 <nebadon> i always have just used the drop in binary
2015-07-23 21:40 <nebadon> honestly it doesnt surprise me though
2015-07-23 21:40 <nebadon> many times things change and it stops compiling
2015-07-23 21:44 <Plugh> yeah, I have had to update ossearch and osprofile twice when the loading mechanism for modules changed.
2015-07-23 22:09 <osmantis> Bug #7648:04 Incompatibility between objects sent via HG from a linux-hosted region/grid and then opened on a Win-hosted region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7648 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-23 23:51 <dahlia> http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/249113/Sponsored_How_to_simulate_a_tiny_universe_in_Azure.php
2015-07-23 23:58 <lkalif> dahlia, nicr
2015-07-23 23:59 <lkalif> but a bit pricey
2015-07-24 00:56 <dahlia> lkalif: ya a bit ;) I ran across that on the interwebz and thought I'd share. Don't consider it a recommendation ;)
2015-07-24 01:09 <lkalif> I actually played with Azure, they offer generous trial
2015-07-24 01:10 <lkalif> it was pretty good
2015-07-24 02:53 <smxy> We are using them at work. Not impressed.
2015-07-24 12:58 <osmantis> Bug #7651:04 Tweak to initial write of region info to Regions/*.ini file to add RegionType 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7651 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-07-24 14:44 <Plugh> I used -logconfig to tell Robust where to find its .config file and I got the message -> No appender named Console found (see the log4net config file for this executable)!
2015-07-24 16:23 <smxy> Plugh: I works relocated, for me. Verify the config file is where you told it to find it and with the correct name. Verify, inside it, that a Console appender is defined.
2015-07-24 16:24 <smxy> It will likely be the first appender defined in the config file.
2015-07-24 16:24 <smxy> It sounds to me like it couldn't find your file.
2015-07-24 16:38 <Plugh> If it couldn't find the file it should tell me it couldn't find the file.
2015-07-24 16:38 <Plugh> Lunch is almost ready. I'll take another look at it after I've eaten.
2015-07-24 17:01 <osmantis> Bug #7652:04 Error loading plugin OpenSim.Services.Interfaces.IAgentPreferencesService from OpenSim.Services.UserAccountService.dll 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7652 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-07-24 17:26 <osmantis> Bug #7653:04 [Patch] Advanced Network Statistics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7653 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-07-24 18:48 <osmantis> Bug #7654:04 PGSQL Presence store out of sync with MySQL version, PGSQLPresenceData.cs missing code 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7654 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-07-24 18:49 <osmantis> Bug #7654:04 PGSQL Presence store out of sync with MySQL version, PGSQLPresenceData.cs missing code 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7654 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007643.
2015-07-24 18:49 <osmantis> Bug #7643:04 Only one record is inserted in the im_offline table - EVER - this record is being constantly overwritten. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7643 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007654.
2015-07-24 18:54 <osmantis> Bug #7654:04 PGSQL Presence store out of sync with MySQL version, PGSQLPresenceData.cs missing code 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7654 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-07-24 18:54 <osmantis> Bug #7654:04 PGSQL Presence store out of sync with MySQL version, PGSQLPresenceData.cs missing code 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7654 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-07-24 18:55 <osmantis> Bug #7654:04 PGSQL Presence store out of sync with MySQL version, PGSQLPresenceData.cs missing code 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7654 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-07-24 18:58 <osmantis> Bug #7654:04 PGSQL Presence store out of sync with MySQL version, PGSQLPresenceData.cs missing code 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7654 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-07-26 00:32 <osmantis> Bug #7649:04 Fixed issue with classifieds not charging on region with money 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7649 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-07-26 02:06 <smxy> Dev_Random: ping
2015-07-26 02:07 <Dev_Random> smxy: yes.....?
2015-07-26 02:08 <smxy> About using a single log config file ... I made a single new file, the way you'd suggested and it appears to be working fine, except for one small detail.
2015-07-26 02:09 <smxy> One the console, when each simulator starts, the first two lines read:
2015-07-26 02:09 <smxy> log4net:ERROR [FileAppender] Unable to acquire lock on file /opensim/var/log/s01.log. Sharing violation on path /opensim/var/log/s01.log
2015-07-26 02:09 <smxy> 21:55:08 - [OPENSIM MAIN]: configured log4net using "/opensim/etc/defaults/OpenSim.exe.config" as configuration file
2015-07-26 02:10 <smxy> It then goes on to log to the correct file. The first line doesn't appear in the log, just on the console. Nothing else, that I can find, isaccessing the logfile. So I don't understand that line.
2015-07-26 02:11 <Dev_Random> I'm not sure.  Have not noticed that myself.  Will restart a region to see
2015-07-26 02:11 <smxy> Thanks.
2015-07-26 02:13 <Plugh> That not being charged for classifieds must have been an issue with core classifieds.
2015-07-26 02:14 <Dev_Random> smxy:  22:13:35 - [OPENSIM MAIN]: configured log4net using "/opt/apps/osgrid-opensim/Custom/GridConfig/common/OpenSim.exe.logconfig" as configuration file
2015-07-26 02:14 <Dev_Random> 22:13:35 - [OPENSIM MAIN]: System Locale is en-US
2015-07-26 02:14 <Dev_Random> not seeing your problem
2015-07-26 02:14 <Plugh> smxy: You are using one log file for multiple regions?
2015-07-26 02:15 <Melanie_> Plugh: yes, it affected the classified handling in the core module
2015-07-26 02:15 <smxy> Hmm, okay. Thanks. I'll keep digging. It's writing to a NFS mounted filesystem. Perhaps I have a locking problem on it.
2015-07-26 02:15 <Melanie_> however, the problem still isn't fixed in a satisfactory manner
2015-07-26 02:16 <Melanie_> current incarnation of LittleFeather's patch means that if someone alters an existing classified, they will be charged agaub
2015-07-26 02:16 <Melanie_> again
2015-07-26 02:16 <Melanie_> it also doesn't cover periodic charges and/or expiration
2015-07-26 02:16 <Melanie_> those are grid-level tasks not really suited for a region module
2015-07-26 02:17 <Plugh> yea, I was about to say that periodic charges and expiration should be handled separately. I handle them outside module code.
2015-07-26 02:17 <smxy> Dev_Random: Thanks again, for checking.
2015-07-26 02:17 <Dev_Random> no problem
2015-07-26 02:18 <Plugh> Sharing violations? I haven't seen that type of error in years. I used to get that on occasion under Windows.
2015-07-26 02:20 <Dev_Random> smxy:  just to verify... do they all say "s01.log"?  Or are they actually s01, s02, s03.... ?
2015-07-26 02:20 <Plugh> Melanie_: The code should needs to check if the add is new or an old one is being modified.
2015-07-26 02:20 <Melanie_> yes
2015-07-26 02:21 <Melanie_> but to complete a system, there needs to be a robust service that does the timed stuff
2015-07-26 02:21 <Melanie_> which in turn would need that service to be able to access money balances
2015-07-26 02:22 <Melanie_> which in turn requires a code path to notify simulators of balance changes from robust, in case the ad owner happens to be logged in
2015-07-26 02:22 <Melanie_> been there, done that and got the t0shirt
2015-07-26 02:22 <Melanie_> avination has had working ads for years
2015-07-26 02:22 <Plugh> Melanie_: That code also applies a fee before it knows if the rpc call succeeded or not.
2015-07-26 02:22 <Melanie_> so i was forced to write all that code
2015-07-26 02:22 <Melanie_> remember in the comment i said that the code is far from a complete solution?
2015-07-26 02:23 <smxy> Dev_Random they each mention the log they should and do write to.
2015-07-26 02:23 <Melanie_> all that contributes to it
2015-07-26 02:23 <Plugh> yes, I was just thinking about the basic part of it. Only charge on creation. Can't do that if you don't know if add is new or being updated.
2015-07-26 02:24 <Melanie_> Dev_Random, smxy: there is actually code in opensim to set the logfile location, I believe. It messes with the log config programmatically
2015-07-26 02:24 <Melanie_> so that may be at cross purposes with what you're trying to do
2015-07-26 02:25 <Melanie_> i put that code in back then to allow redirecting the loggin without having to modify the .exe.config files which get overritten with every update
2015-07-26 02:25 <Melanie_> so if all you're after is a different logfile location
2015-07-26 02:25 <Melanie_> you can use opensim options rather than mono omes
2015-07-26 02:26 <Melanie_> ones*
2015-07-26 02:26 <Plugh> The osprofile module does the classified ad insert/update in PHP and returns a code to the calling C# code that states whether the ad was new or being updated.
2015-07-26 02:27 <Melanie_> Plugh: this is core profiles, though
2015-07-26 02:27 <Melanie_> not osprofile
2015-07-26 02:27 <Plugh> Yes, I know.
2015-07-26 02:27 <Melanie_> so all bets are off
2015-07-26 02:27 <Plugh> I haven't looked at the rpc.Json stuff to know if there is a way to pass back that sort of information.
2015-07-26 02:28 <Plugh> It would be useful if there was a way to receive some information about the calls being made other than just pass/fail.
2015-07-26 02:28 <smxy> Melanie_: I'm using this to point to a single config file: -logconfig=${etc}/defaults/OpenSim.exe.config and in that file, the name and location of the log are specified as: <file value="${var}/log/${region}.log" />
2015-07-26 02:29 <Melanie_> that is the mono way
2015-07-26 02:29 <Melanie_> not the opensim way
2015-07-26 02:29 <smxy> Everything is working, except I get that sharing violation line on the console as the first line of the sim startup and then it all works okay.
2015-07-26 02:29 <smxy> Okay. Teach me a better way.
2015-07-26 02:30 <smxy> Please. :)
2015-07-26 02:30 <Dev_Random> I'm listening too...
2015-07-26 02:30 <Melanie_> it's been years
2015-07-26 02:30 <Plugh> Sharing violation would indicate a file that is open for one type of access where some other file comes along and wants to open it for read/write (typically).
2015-07-26 02:30 <Melanie_> looking for the code i wrote
2015-07-26 02:31 <Plugh> smxy: If it is working over it just cover up that first line and pretend it isn't there.  ;)
2015-07-26 02:32 <smxy> Plugh: I had a continuous lsof on the logfile running during start and only OpenSim.exe had a file handle on it.
2015-07-26 02:32 <Dev_Random> Plugh: kinda like the old piece of tape in the corner, covering Lotus 123's flashing "wait"....
2015-07-26 02:32 <Plugh> oh, this is not happening in windows.
2015-07-26 02:32 <smxy> So it may be what Melanie_said. OpenSim.exe may be touching it momentarily beffore log4net can get it.
2015-07-26 02:33 <Plugh> Dev_Random: I wouldn't know about that. Never used that program. :)
2015-07-26 02:33 <Plugh> smxy: What about opens and closes on the file during your start up process? Are there multiple ones overlapping?
2015-07-26 02:33 <smxy> It would only be inside OpenSim.exe
2015-07-26 02:34 <Plugh> You can't have a sharing violation unless more than one process is trying to access the same file in conflicting ways.
2015-07-26 02:34 <smxy> I understand that. That's why I ran lsof.
2015-07-26 02:35 <Plugh> hm... What about using strace?
2015-07-26 02:35 <Melanie_> in [Startup], use LogFile=
2015-07-26 02:36 <Melanie_> the code that sets it is in ./OpenSim/Framework/Servers/ServerBase.cs
2015-07-26 02:36 <Plugh> Use it to watch for access to the log file.
2015-07-26 02:36 <Melanie_> so applies to opensim and robust both
2015-07-26 02:36 <smxy> Hmm, and that, I could variableize with [Environment] variables.
2015-07-26 02:36 <smxy> I'll try that. Thanks, Melanie_
2015-07-26 02:37 <Melanie_> had to dig a little
2015-07-26 02:37 <Melanie_> it's been so long and all we use at avn is to send it to /dev/null
2015-07-26 02:37 <smxy> Does that not use OpenSim.exe.config at all then?
2015-07-26 02:37 <Melanie_> we have a different independent logger that even records mono dumps
2015-07-26 02:38 <Melanie_> smxy: no, you should never modify the .config files
2015-07-26 02:38 <Melanie_> they will be overwritten on every update
2015-07-26 02:38 <Plugh> That is where -logconfig comes in to play
2015-07-26 02:38 <smxy> No, because if you notice, mine lives outside of bin.
2015-07-26 02:38 <smxy> correct
2015-07-26 02:38 <Melanie_> Plugh =logconfig is a mono option
2015-07-26 02:38 <Melanie_> it clashes with the code in ServerBase
2015-07-26 02:39 <Melanie_> where the appender is constructed programmatically
2015-07-26 02:39 <smxy> No, I think it's an OpenSim comman option
2015-07-26 02:39 <smxy> command*
2015-07-26 02:39 <Melanie_> i would expect errors trying to use .exe.config stuff with programmatically created appenders
2015-07-26 02:39 <Plugh> It is an .exe switch not a mono one
2015-07-26 02:40 <smxy> Definitely an OpenSim.exe command line option, according to http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OpenSim.exe_Command_Line_Options
2015-07-26 02:40 <Melanie_> logconfig canbe used as both a command line option ond in the ini file, startup section
2015-07-26 02:41 <Melanie_> however, this will conflict with opensim's code-created appender
2015-07-26 02:41 <Plugh> smxy: BTW, I managed to get all my grid startup stuff in to a single main shell script. 96 lines as most of it is doing a lot of testing on command line args passed to it and building paths to directories and files.
2015-07-26 02:41 <Melanie_> the option should be removed
2015-07-26 02:41 <smxy> Plugh, yeah, same. Very simplified.
2015-07-26 02:42 <smxy> Melanie_: The option you mentioned ... does that get set to the actual name of the log file or the log configuration file?
2015-07-26 02:42 <Melanie_> what do you call "grid startup stuff"?
2015-07-26 02:42 <Plugh> smxy: yea, its nice. I have someone with limited disk space so this saves a lot by only needing one set of binaries.
2015-07-26 02:42 <Melanie_> LogFile is a filepath
2015-07-26 02:42 <Melanie_> do NOT use log configuration files
2015-07-26 02:42 <Melanie_> they WILL mess up
2015-07-26 02:42 <Melanie_> as I said, the logconfig option should be removed
2015-07-26 02:43 <smxy> Then the option you gave will not use the OpenSim.exe.config file in bin?
2015-07-26 02:43 <Melanie_> no
2015-07-26 02:43 <Melanie_> you can leave the stock one
2015-07-26 02:43 <Melanie_> it's not relevant
2015-07-26 02:43 <Plugh> why would having a dynamically built path in the .config mess things up when it is just used to tell it the path/name to the file to used?
2015-07-26 02:44 <Melanie_> it never actually has been that relevant because opensim builds it's _own_ appender _programatically_ and the .exe.config is normally ignored
2015-07-26 02:44 <Plugh> Once it has the name of the log it just logs to it.
2015-07-26 02:44 <Melanie_> unless you cause ot to force load one with logconfig
2015-07-26 02:44 <smxy> But I *want* to have that (or a copy of it, elwhere) used, but with the log name it generates named on the fly so one file can be used.
2015-07-26 02:44 <Melanie_> which causes a holy mess and leaves an unstable logging system
2015-07-26 02:44 <Melanie_> logconfig needs to be removed
2015-07-26 02:45 <smxy> Hmm.
2015-07-26 02:45 <Plugh> Then why do these .config files exist in the first place? The info says that log4net is used for logging and the .config seems to have the config for that.
2015-07-26 02:45 <smxy> yes
2015-07-26 02:45 <Melanie_> because it will barf if they're not present
2015-07-26 02:45 <Melanie_> but the code overrides the contents
2015-07-26 02:45 <Plugh> If you want to get rid of -logconfig then those .config files should also go away and the reason for the barf should get fixed.
2015-07-26 02:45 <smxy> Obviously not, since the logging I get is what's defined in the .config file.
2015-07-26 02:45 <Melanie_> the barf is in log4net
2015-07-26 02:46 <Plugh> yea, that's what I see.
2015-07-26 02:46 <Melanie_> it REQUIRES the fles
2015-07-26 02:46 <smxy> It goes to the specified log. It rotates as I configured, etc
2015-07-26 02:46 <Melanie_> even though it doesn't have to use everything in them
2015-07-26 02:46 <Melanie_> smxy: if you use -logconfig the file will be forcibly read
2015-07-26 02:47 <Melanie_> it will partially overwrite the stuff that is set up in code
2015-07-26 02:47 <Plugh> If the .exe's don't need/use the .config but log4net barfs without them, sounds like something is messed up.
2015-07-26 02:47 <Melanie_> leaving an unstable log4net
2015-07-26 02:47 <Melanie_> Plugh: not my remit to fix log4net
2015-07-26 02:47 <smxy> What I'm wondering is why we don't USE the .config and rip out what overrides it int OpenSim.
2015-07-26 02:47 <smxy> s/int/in/
2015-07-26 02:48 <Melanie_> because the .config options are dangerous to the uninitiated and not useful for anything that the expert needs except redirecting the log
2015-07-26 02:48 <Plugh> Right. Decide who is responsible for deciding how logging is to be handled and do it in the one place and not two.
2015-07-26 02:48 <Melanie_> whilc LogFile makes a lot easier
2015-07-26 02:49 <Melanie_> LogFile was added because people had issues with the xml, and the issues with having it overwritten on reinstalls
2015-07-26 02:49 <Melanie_> not everyone is a pro
2015-07-26 02:49 <smxy> I've half a mind to rip that override out in my copy.
2015-07-26 02:49 <Melanie_> smxy: why would you rip it out instead of using it?
2015-07-26 02:49 <Melanie_> it achieves your goal much more easily than what you do
2015-07-26 02:49 <smxy> The .config file is MEANT to set how log4newt works. It's not meant to be overriden like that. The uninitiated should learn how to use the code rather than be babysat.
2015-07-26 02:49 <Plugh> Melanie_: What were people messing about with in the .config that was getting them in to trouble?
2015-07-26 02:50 <Melanie_> malformed xm
2015-07-26 02:50 <Melanie_> l
2015-07-26 02:50 <Melanie_> mostly
2015-07-26 02:50 <Melanie_> causing crash&burn on startup
2015-07-26 02:50 <smxy> Then they should learn how the F* to write proper XML.
2015-07-26 02:50 <Melanie_> smxy: opensim doesn't have that many pro users
2015-07-26 02:50 <Melanie_> most are amateurs running a standalone
2015-07-26 02:51 <Melanie_> they make up the bulk of installations
2015-07-26 02:51 <Plugh> If they are just changing the name/path to the log and mess up the xml in the process they are not likely to be capable of configuring and running a grid.
2015-07-26 02:51 <Melanie_> and since all anyone ever wanted to change logging for was to change the log file location, an easy way was provided
2015-07-26 02:51 <Melanie_> so why would you refuse to use it?
2015-07-26 02:52 <Plugh> I don't even see LogFile= in the .ini files shipped with OS.
2015-07-26 02:52 <Melanie_> that is why I had to dig
2015-07-26 02:52 <Plugh> If it exists it should be in there somewhere or else people will do what you say is the wrong thing and modify the .config.
2015-07-26 02:52 <Melanie_> it's been omitted from OpenSmDefaults.ini, probably because it is not defined in the same place as the rest
2015-07-26 02:53 <Plugh> Then that really needs to get fixed. People can't use what they don't know about.
2015-07-26 02:55 <smxy> An uninitiated user will just start up OpenSim and get a log automatically created under bin with no config needed.
2015-07-26 02:55 <Dev_Random> Melanie_:  is it sensible to completely remove the options from "pro" users who want more control? e.g. timestamp formats
2015-07-26 02:56 <Melanie_> Dev_Random: pro users could be dependedn upon to have an update script that puts their version of the .config file back
2015-07-26 02:56 <smxy> Maybe we should have a setting that tells OpenSim to not do any overriding, for those who want to use the .config file.
2015-07-26 02:56 <Melanie_> maybe there is a way to load the xml as default and then modify the config
2015-07-26 02:56 <Plugh> The file OpenSim/Framework/Servers/ServerBase.cs handles LogFile setting. It also looks like it has a way to specify the appender
2015-07-26 02:56 <Melanie_> but opensim creates an appender programmatically right now because it is a custom appender - the one that does the coloring
2015-07-26 02:57 <Melanie_> smxy: OpenSim will not overwrite the file path if none i given
2015-07-26 02:57 <Melanie_> it will use the one from the .config
2015-07-26 02:57 <Melanie_> it will still create the custom appender
2015-07-26 02:58 <Melanie_> to fully use the .config, you need to provide your own appender (in a dll) or use a standard appender
2015-07-26 02:58 <Melanie_> by modifying the .config file
2015-07-26 02:58 <Melanie_> t remove any occurrence of OpenSimAppender (iirc)
2015-07-26 02:58 <Melanie_> it will still get created but won't be used in that case
2015-07-26 02:58 <Melanie_> and you can use a standard FileAppender
2015-07-26 02:59 <Dev_Random> this one? <appender name="Console" type="OpenSim.Framework.Console.OpenSimAppender, OpenSim.Framework.Console">
2015-07-26 02:59 <Plugh> As a pro user I'd try to avoid clobbering the .config during update by using the -logconfig option to point to a file in a different location that wouldn't get clobbered. :)
2015-07-26 02:59 <smxy> Which is what I do, Plugh
2015-07-26 02:59 <Dev_Random> me too.  it's outside the bin directory
2015-07-26 02:59 <Plugh> and what I'm doing.
2015-07-26 03:01 <Plugh> I'll have to leave this discussion for now. I have a cat calling for me. I have one file to copy between a couple of machines before taking a break.
2015-07-26 03:01 <Dev_Random> I'm out too.. got a flight in the morning
2015-07-26 03:01 <Dev_Random> gnite folks
2015-07-26 03:01 <smxy> night
2015-07-26 03:02 <smxy> Thanks for the infor Melanie_. I'm sure it will be useful.
2015-07-26 03:02 <Melanie_> yw
2015-07-26 03:02 <smxy> info*
2015-07-26 06:14 <osmantis> Bug #7652:04 Error loading plugin OpenSim.Services.Interfaces.IAgentPreferencesService from OpenSim.Services.UserAccountService.dll 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7652 ): has been CLOSED
2015-07-26 06:17 <osmantis> Bug #7653:04 [Patch] Advanced Network Statistics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7653 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-07-26 06:37 <osmantis> Bug #7654:04 PGSQL Presence store out of sync with MySQL version, PGSQLPresenceData.cs missing code 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7654 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-07-26 06:38 <osmantis> Bug #7606:04 Group handler exception - PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7606 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-26 06:38 <osmantis> Bug #7606:04 Group handler exception - PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7606 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-07-26 07:07 <osmantis> Bug #7606:04 Group handler exception - PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7606 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-26 11:04 <osmantis> Bug #7654:04 PGSQL Presence store out of sync with MySQL version, PGSQLPresenceData.cs missing code 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7654 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-07-26 11:09 <orenh> I just fixed a bug that prevented OpenSim from compiling
2015-07-26 11:09 <orenh> This should have been detected by jenkins. I guess Jenkins didn't run because of the problems in opensimulator.org ?
2015-07-26 11:13 <osmantis> Bug #7606:04 Group handler exception - PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7606 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-26 11:13 <osmantis> Bug #7606:04 Group handler exception - PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7606 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-07-26 13:22 <osmantis> Bug #7647:04 Sim instance starts using about 1GB memory more per hour until PC runs out of memory and crashes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7647 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-26 13:40 <osmantis> Bug #7636:04 Avatars cannot login/verify, Diva distro, standalone + OSG on one PC. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7636 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-26 14:20 <osmantis> Bug #7632:04 [Patch] New Network Statistics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7632 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-07-26 14:25 <osmantis> Bug #7653:04 [Patch] Advanced Network Statistics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7653 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2015-07-26 14:32 <smxy> I'm surprised the Moses people keep coming back. It seems like no matter what they do, they get schooled.
2015-07-26 14:36 <nebadon> what do you mean smxy?
2015-07-26 14:39 <smxy> Only that, while the feedback given to them is good (i.e., I just read oren's), it seems like every time they submit, someone - and it's usually a different person each time, from what I've seen - gives a long laundry list of what's wrong with it. Yes, perhaps they should take the feedback and run with it, but I guess I can see how they might feel that they are adding this useful stuff 
2015-07-26 14:39 <smxy> only to get constant criticism and pushback, as if it weren't wanted.
2015-07-26 14:40 <smxy> Just my impression, and I could be wrong.
2015-07-26 14:41 <nebadon> well to be honest I am not sold on the usefulness
2015-07-26 14:41 <nebadon> I think it benefits Moses
2015-07-26 14:41 <nebadon> I am not sure it benefits the project as a whol
2015-07-26 14:41 <Plugh> smxy: IIRC, you said you use -inidirectory. How do you handle including config-include? Absolute path? environment variable in the path to the config-include directory? ...
2015-07-26 14:42 <nebadon> and honestly epecting a core dev to be responsible for their code without question would be foolish
2015-07-26 14:42 <nebadon> its so easy to get burned, especially on these way to large patches
2015-07-26 14:42 <smxy> I think gettinging accurate statistics out of OpenSim is never a bad thing, when debugging problems, myself.
2015-07-26 14:43 <smxy> getting*
2015-07-26 14:43 <nebadon> I don't disagree, but the stats they are showing won't apply much to any of the internal stuff for opensimulator
2015-07-26 14:43 <orenh> I'm very interested in getting patches from Moses. They seem like one of the few organizations seriously pushing it forward.
2015-07-26 14:43 <orenh> But that patch is just too complicated to understand all together
2015-07-26 14:43 <nebadon> yea I would love to get it in as well
2015-07-26 14:43 <nebadon> the last patch we got from them was a real mess
2015-07-26 14:44 <orenh> even so, I'm willing to make the effort
2015-07-26 14:44 <nebadon> they even pushed in dlls that should not have gotten pushed on last set
2015-07-26 14:44 <smxy> Plugh: You can't use variables in include lines. Those have to be an absolute path for now. Bluewall and I talked about how to maybe make those so that they could use variables to define the path, but we never actually tried it.
2015-07-26 14:44 <nebadon> so we need to heavily review what they give us
2015-07-26 14:44 <orenh> I honestly didn't think I was being hard on them. I thought they would appreciate that someone (who can actually commit the patch) spent so much time reading it and giving a thoughtful critique
2015-07-26 14:44 <nebadon> I dont think so either orenh
2015-07-26 14:44 <smxy> I thought you wrote it well, oren.
2015-07-26 14:45 <Plugh> smxy: Default behaviour seems to be to use the current working directory for the include and not use the dir specified by -inidirectory.
2015-07-26 14:45 <orenh> ty
2015-07-26 14:45 <smxy> You're just not the first one to push back (however nicely).
2015-07-26 14:45 <nebadon> smxy if we didnt
2015-07-26 14:45 <nebadon> i gaurantee opensim would be very broken
2015-07-26 14:46 <Plugh> I'm getting carried away with things here. I need to have breakfast before it turns in to lunch.
2015-07-26 14:46 <nebadon> have you ever used moses grid?
2015-07-26 14:46 <nebadon> its not good
2015-07-26 14:46 <Plugh> bbl
2015-07-26 14:46 <smxy> It isn't now? <ducks>
2015-07-26 14:46 <nebadon> compared to stock opensim its quite terrible
2015-07-26 14:46 <smxy> No, actually, I haven't.
2015-07-26 14:46 <nebadon> they are basing their analaysis on code that isnt even in core
2015-07-26 14:46 <nebadon> and then pushing those changes into our code
2015-07-26 14:46 <nebadon> or wanting to that is
2015-07-26 14:47 <nebadon> MOSES grid uses Simaingrid
2015-07-26 14:47 <nebadon> not core
2015-07-26 14:47 <nebadon> and from my personal experience working on projects for MOSES
2015-07-26 14:47 <nebadon> its quite bad
2015-07-26 14:47 <nebadon> compared to stock core code
2015-07-26 14:47 <osmantis> Bug #7653:04 [Patch] Advanced Network Statistics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7653 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-26 14:47 <nebadon> unfortunately their entire management system is written around simiangrid now
2015-07-26 14:47 <nebadon> changing to core robust for them is not possible
2015-07-26 14:48 <nebadon> as much as I would love for really good fixes to come from moses
2015-07-26 14:48 <smxy> That was a nice comment, oren.
2015-07-26 14:48 <nebadon> right now its apples and oranges
2015-07-26 14:48 <H-H-H> they run Simian? wow that thing sucked last time i played with it
2015-07-26 14:48 <nebadon> but everyone is expecting coconuts
2015-07-26 14:48 <smxy> Then you're right, it does need reviewing. But it would even if they were on current core, I suppose.
2015-07-26 14:48 <nebadon> my only point being is that I am skeptical
2015-07-26 14:49 <nebadon> yes
2015-07-26 14:49 <nebadon> it would indeed
2015-07-26 14:49 <nebadon> these big patches can be nightmarish
2015-07-26 14:49 <nebadon> and tend to end bad
2015-07-26 14:50 <nebadon> whoever pushes the code really should understand the code and basically take ownership of everything that breaks from that point forward
2015-07-26 14:50 <nebadon> whatever core memeber that is
2015-07-26 14:50 <nebadon> but unfortunately I think most of us are a bit skeptical at this point
2015-07-26 14:50 <nebadon> I know diva was interested but her time is currently short
2015-07-26 14:50 <nebadon> Melanie_ same thing
2015-07-26 14:51 <nebadon> doing hard core optimization work
2015-07-26 14:51 <nebadon> they should honestly be here in this channel
2015-07-26 14:51 <nebadon> working directly with us
2015-07-26 14:51 <nebadon> you ever play that game pass it down the line
2015-07-26 14:51 <nebadon> thats basically what we are doing right now
2015-07-26 14:52 <nebadon> and we all know how that game ends
2015-07-26 14:52 <nebadon> Purple Monkey Hat
2015-07-26 14:52 <nebadon> is the relayed message at the end
2015-07-26 14:52 <nebadon> lol
2015-07-26 14:54 <smxy> I've never played it, but I understand. The message changes as it's repeated.
2015-07-26 14:54 <nebadon> yea
2015-07-26 14:54 <nebadon> the problem is the people posting the patche on mantis
2015-07-26 14:54 <smxy> What does it start as? :)
2015-07-26 14:54 <nebadon> are not the people writing the code
2015-07-26 14:54 <nebadon> those people are locked away in some secret bunker we cant talk directly to apparantly
2015-07-26 14:54 <nebadon> we have to relay through people who do not understand the code
2015-07-26 14:54 <nebadon> sound like something you want to be responsible for?
2015-07-26 14:54 <smxy> Well, it *IS* the US Military after all. LOL
2015-07-26 14:54 <nebadon> i sure dont
2015-07-26 14:56 <Plugh> 
ACTION is back

2015-07-26 14:56 <nebadon> I do hope it all works out
2015-07-26 14:56 <nebadon> but right now its not a optimal situation
2015-07-26 14:56 <nebadon> its going to lead to major burn out
2015-07-26 14:56 <nebadon> for whoever takes it on
2015-07-26 14:56 <nebadon> but if we can we should
2015-07-26 14:57 <nebadon> I am not saying we shouldnt im just trying to explain why things are this way
2015-07-26 14:57 <Plugh> What I remember of the MOSES situation is they need these stat changes in place before they can work on the physics stuff they want to work on.
2015-07-26 14:57 <nebadon> right
2015-07-26 14:57 <nebadon> which is why i said the benefit to us is minimal
2015-07-26 14:57 <smxy> I can see how Oren might be motivated to help them, what with all the UDP-related (and other) work they did in Kitely. More & better statistics would help them a lot, I suspect. For the average home user, not so much. But for someone trying to eke out every bit of performance, yeah.
2015-07-26 14:57 <nebadon> its unlikely their physics code would end up in core
2015-07-26 14:58 <nebadon> from what it sounds like they do not intend to fully implement all the physics stuff
2015-07-26 14:58 <Plugh> What I wonder is whether we would be able to use their physics stuff without their stats changes.
2015-07-26 14:58 <nebadon> only the stuff they need for their goals
2015-07-26 14:58 <nebadon> I think they could probably
2015-07-26 14:58 <Plugh> Are they working on a new physics engine or additional changes to one of the existing ones?
2015-07-26 14:58 <nebadon> but optimizing it would probably not be ideal
2015-07-26 14:58 <nebadon> im sure they could get it working without it
2015-07-26 14:59 <nebadon> physx
2015-07-26 14:59 <nebadon> Nvidia Physx they want to use
2015-07-26 14:59 <nebadon> personally I think starting with new physics engine is a terrible idea
2015-07-26 14:59 <nebadon> because even if they make the greatest physics engine in the world
2015-07-26 15:00 <nebadon> xengine falls on its face 
2015-07-26 15:00 <smxy> That seriously needs fixing or replacing.
2015-07-26 15:00 <nebadon> from what they have described to me as their issue
2015-07-26 15:00 <nebadon> is xengine, not physics
2015-07-26 15:00 <nebadon> right
2015-07-26 15:00 <nebadon> if MOSES wants to increase performance 10 fold, even for physics
2015-07-26 15:00 <nebadon> fix Xengine
2015-07-26 15:00 <nebadon> so timers and sensors work correctly
2015-07-26 15:01 <nebadon> I think ultimately in the end they still need a new physics engine
2015-07-26 15:01 <nebadon> becasue they want to do stuff at 60fps
2015-07-26 15:01 <nebadon> what I am skeptical about is they are going to do all that physics stuff, get to 60fps
2015-07-26 15:01 <nebadon> and its going to run worse
2015-07-26 15:02 <nebadon> I almost gaurantee thats going to be the end result
2015-07-26 15:02 <nebadon> unless they fix the other threading and xengine issues first
2015-07-26 15:02 <orenh> If they can get physX working correctly then that would be great
2015-07-26 15:02 <orenh> but I'm skeptical because of BulletSim
2015-07-26 15:02 <nebadon> they already have
2015-07-26 15:02 <nebadon> from what I heard
2015-07-26 15:02 <orenh> even now, Bulletsim has many problems that ODE doesn't
2015-07-26 15:02 <orenh> which is why we're sticking with ODE. Its bugs are just smaller.
2015-07-26 15:02 <nebadon> thats only because no one has fixed it yet
2015-07-26 15:03 <nebadon> so much doesnt work well in ODE
2015-07-26 15:03 <nebadon> either way you have problems
2015-07-26 15:03 <orenh> That gives me an appreciation of how hard it is to adapt a general-purpose physics engine to OpenSim
2015-07-26 15:03 <nebadon> ya
2015-07-26 15:03 <nebadon> server side physics is hard
2015-07-26 15:03 <nebadon> i can tell you physics at 60fps throwing around 1000s of prims
2015-07-26 15:03 <nebadon> i dont care how good physics is
2015-07-26 15:03 <nebadon> we cant deliver that to the client
2015-07-26 15:03 <nebadon> without major overhaul of the protocols
2015-07-26 15:03 <orenh> My worry isn't with allowing complicated physics. It's with smaller stuff
2015-07-26 15:04 <nebadon> so what the hell is the point
2015-07-26 15:04 <nebadon> is my question
2015-07-26 15:04 <nebadon> but so far my questions fall on deaf ears it seems
2015-07-26 15:04 <orenh> E.g., with BulletSim I can rez a 100-prim object that will cause 200% cpu (yes 200%, it's a multi-cpu server) and freeze the simulator
2015-07-26 15:04 <nebadon> sometimes you gotta let people take the hard path
2015-07-26 15:04 <nebadon> I dont see that
2015-07-26 15:04 <nebadon> I am rezzing things that are 8000 prim linksets
2015-07-26 15:05 <nebadon> are you running bulletsim in its own thread
2015-07-26 15:05 <orenh> Because it's not about how complicated the object is; it's objects that get into a specific bug in BulletSim
2015-07-26 15:05 <nebadon> sounds like you are not
2015-07-26 15:05 <orenh> I'm not saying *any* object will do that; a specific object does it
2015-07-26 15:05 <nebadon> if you run bulletsim in the main heartbeat loop its going to suck
2015-07-26 15:05 <nebadon> ah ok
2015-07-26 15:05 <orenh> I haven't changed the default BulletSim behavior
2015-07-26 15:05 <nebadon> thats your problem
2015-07-26 15:05 <Plugh> nebadon: It may not be that its falling on deaf ears. It is falling on ears of people who can't, or don't have the time, to fix XEngine.
2015-07-26 15:06 <smxy> I always run it in its own thread.
2015-07-26 15:06 <nebadon> if you hvea the time to write a new engine
2015-07-26 15:06 <nebadon> you have the time to fix bulletsim
2015-07-26 15:06 <orenh> well... I run a grid, and I can't take the chance that someone's simulator will freeze (and freeze other users on the same server), no matter what object they happen to rez
2015-07-26 15:07 <nebadon> orenh
2015-07-26 15:07 <nebadon> give this a try in OpenSim.ini [BulletSim]
2015-07-26 15:07 <nebadon>     UseSeparatePhysicsThread = true
2015-07-26 15:07 <nebadon> i doubt it will ever freeze
2015-07-26 15:07 <nebadon> its a really bad idea running physics in the main loop
2015-07-26 15:07 <Plugh> Jumping topics for a second, I found out the Smithsonian is digitizing some of the items in the museum and making the models available online -> http://3d.si.edu/
2015-07-26 15:07 <nebadon> that what ODE does as well
2015-07-26 15:08 <nebadon> nice
2015-07-26 15:08 <orenh> If it uses too much CPU then it will freeze the simulator no matter which thread it runs in
2015-07-26 15:08 <orenh> but I'll give that a try anyway
2015-07-26 15:08 <Plugh> Thought some people here might find it of interest. As long as the items are use non-commercially you could import some of them as mesh objects.
2015-07-26 15:08 <smxy> Worth a try in testing though, isn't it, Oren?
2015-07-26 15:08 <Plugh> Not sure what file format they use.
2015-07-26 15:08 <smxy> Plugh, may I PM you?
2015-07-26 15:09 <nebadon> in a seperate thread the only way it would freeze the simulator
2015-07-26 15:09 <Plugh> I want to get back to having a look at the script compiler one of these days as there are issues in it that I want to fix.
2015-07-26 15:09 <Plugh> smxy: sure.
2015-07-26 15:09 <nebadon> is if it ends up using 100% of the cpu 
2015-07-26 15:09 <nebadon> like all the cores
2015-07-26 15:09 <nebadon> in which case no amount of configuration would really help :)
2015-07-26 15:10 <orenh> yeah, when it got into the bad state it did use up all the CPU time
2015-07-26 15:10 <orenh> but I'll try it again
2015-07-26 15:11 <nebadon> is this object something that can be shared orenh?
2015-07-26 15:11 <nebadon> I am sure misterblue would like to inspect any foul objects
2015-07-26 15:11 <nebadon> would kind of be impossible to fix without something that can trigger it
2015-07-26 15:12 <nebadon> Plugh have you tried these yet
2015-07-26 15:12 <nebadon> probably needs a lot of decimation
2015-07-26 15:12 <nebadon> these laser/lidar/pointcloud objects are nastay
2015-07-26 15:12 <nebadon> im going to grab one and look
2015-07-26 15:13 <nebadon>  heh figure of a dancer is 400k triangles
2015-07-26 15:13 <nebadon> thats going to need some work :)
2015-07-26 15:14 <Plugh> nebadon: no, I only found about the Smithsonian stuff the other day. I haven't registered so I can download anything. I have'nt read anything yet that says the format of the files other than they are going to be *very* big.
2015-07-26 15:16 <nebadon> they are Non-commercial use only
2015-07-26 15:17 <Plugh> RIght.
2015-07-26 15:17 <Plugh> I found out about their work from information about their kickstarter campaign to raise funds to preserve one of the Apollo era space suits.
2015-07-26 15:17 <nebadon> omg
2015-07-26 15:18 <nebadon> the whale fossil is 443mb
2015-07-26 15:18 <nebadon> lol
2015-07-26 15:18 <Plugh> :)
2015-07-26 15:19 <Plugh> where did you see the file size info?
2015-07-26 15:19 <nebadon> im downloading them
2015-07-26 15:19 <nebadon> i registered just now
2015-07-26 15:20 <Plugh> ok, I haven't done that yet.
2015-07-26 15:20 <Plugh> BTW, for the space enthusiasts here, the kick starter campaign is at https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/smithsonian/reboot-the-suit-bring-back-neil-armstrongs-spacesu
2015-07-26 15:21 <Plugh> bbiab. I need to do something
2015-07-26 15:22 <nebadon> 500,000$ to hang a space suite in a museum
2015-07-26 15:22 <nebadon> man im in the wrong business
2015-07-26 15:22 <smxy> Aren't we all ...
2015-07-26 15:22 <orenh> nebadon I reported these problems a year ago: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6789#c26617
2015-07-26 15:23 <orenh> that bug never received any updates
2015-07-26 15:23 <orenh> tbh perhaps the problem *has* been fixed; I didn't try again
2015-07-26 15:23 <nebadon> ah ok
2015-07-26 15:23 <nebadon> probably 
2015-07-26 15:23 <Plugh> stabalize it, repair it, document it, digitize it. That is the plan. Still it does seem a bit much. 
2015-07-26 15:23 <nebadon> bulletsim has changed a lot
2015-07-26 15:23 <nebadon> its very good now
2015-07-26 15:23 <nebadon> we use it on Encitra on gigantic models
2015-07-26 15:23 <Plugh> They have other suits that will be worked on after this. The Apollo 11 one is the guinea pig.
2015-07-26 15:23 <nebadon> some of our students have built monstrosity 8000 prim buildings
2015-07-26 15:23 <nebadon> heh
2015-07-26 15:23 <nebadon> and linked them
2015-07-26 15:24 <Plugh> 8000 prim linkset? yikes
2015-07-26 15:24 <nebadon> hehe ya
2015-07-26 15:24 <nebadon> these are students who never used SL
2015-07-26 15:24 <nebadon> they didnt understand the limits
2015-07-26 15:24 <nebadon> and kind of went crazy
2015-07-26 15:24 <nebadon> i ended up reducing the buildings down by like 80-90%
2015-07-26 15:25 <Plugh> nice
2015-07-26 15:25 <nebadon> but as I was working and fixing them i never experienced any problems rezzing stuff and having it freeze the entire sim
2015-07-26 15:25 <nebadon> though huge linksets can freeze up the viewer if you dont disable prim highlight
2015-07-26 15:25 <nebadon> that has zero impact on simulator from what i could tell though
2015-07-26 15:25 <nebadon> just hard for the viewer to render that many prim outlines
2015-07-26 15:26 <nebadon> so you get like 1fps
2015-07-26 15:26 <nebadon> there is a debug option to turn it off
2015-07-26 15:26 <nebadon> then manipulating huge linksets is a breeze
2015-07-26 15:26 <Plugh> The other day I had some weird glitch that might have been a viewer(?) think. I selected some objects and had picked up a nearby house. I went to deselect the house and hit the wrong thing (del??) and the objects vanished. Later found they all moved up to 4083 meters with the same x/y coord and odd rotations.
2015-07-26 15:26 <nebadon> oh no really?
2015-07-26 15:27 <nebadon> just from a delete?
2015-07-26 15:27 <nebadon> were you able to repeat that?
2015-07-26 15:27 <nebadon> there is a reason I ask
2015-07-26 15:27 <Plugh> I'm not really sure exactly what I did to do that.
2015-07-26 15:27 <nebadon> can you try again for me to delete something?
2015-07-26 15:28 <nebadon> and see if it goes up to 4000m
2015-07-26 15:28 <nebadon> we have something on Encitra
2015-07-26 15:28 <nebadon> its a failsafe
2015-07-26 15:28 <nebadon> and also prevents Inventory clutter
2015-07-26 15:28 <Plugh> The house and land weren't mine so that could have been a mess. Fortunately I recovered but the house may not be exactly where it was before.
2015-07-26 15:28 <nebadon> when you delete something it moves it up to 4000m
2015-07-26 15:28 <nebadon> that should not be in core though
2015-07-26 15:28 <nebadon> hoping it didnt slip in
2015-07-26 15:28 <Plugh> I wasn't trying to delete. I was trying to deselect the house from a set of selected objects.
2015-07-26 15:29 <nebadon> ah ok
2015-07-26 15:29 <nebadon> weird it wold jump up that high though
2015-07-26 15:29 <nebadon> im going to test now
2015-07-26 15:29 <nebadon> just to make sure out custom code didnt slip into core
2015-07-26 15:30 <nebadon> unlikely but i have to be sure :)
2015-07-26 15:31 <nebadon> ok no doesnt appear it did
2015-07-26 15:31 <Plugh> I could try again later to see if I can reproduce the behaviour. 
2015-07-26 15:31 <nebadon> ya would be good
2015-07-26 15:31 <nebadon> i have a similar issue taht occurs sometimes
2015-07-26 15:31 <nebadon> when i try to rotate an object
2015-07-26 15:32 <nebadon> and the camera angle is just a little off
2015-07-26 15:32 <nebadon> the object poofs
2015-07-26 15:32 <nebadon> gone forever
2015-07-26 15:32 <nebadon> maybe 1 in 1000 times it happens, possibly more even
2015-07-26 15:32 <nebadon> 1 in 5000 times
2015-07-26 15:32 <Plugh> An area search can help you find it. Give it an odd name first.
2015-07-26 15:33 <nebadon> luckily its not destroyed anything i couldnt easily replace so far
2015-07-26 15:33 <nebadon> oh no these suckers are gone
2015-07-26 15:33 <nebadon> not even in DB
2015-07-26 15:33 <nebadon> doesnt show up in inventory
2015-07-26 15:33 <nebadon> just poof gone forever
2015-07-26 15:34 <nebadon> it might have something to do with vars
2015-07-26 15:34 <nebadon> I suspect there are 3-4 bugs in opensimulator that I am the only person who has ever experienced them
2015-07-26 15:34 <nebadon> cause its stuff no sane person would ever attempt
2015-07-26 15:35 <nebadon> and its nearly impossible for me to demonstrate some of them on command
2015-07-26 15:35 <nebadon> one of the bugs im almost 100% certain its Vars and Singularity 
2015-07-26 15:35 <smxy> I've had 10 pCampBots continuously between two regions for over a week now and still can't repo the problem with collisions not registering.
2015-07-26 15:36 <nebadon> uploading really giganticly large mesh objects
2015-07-26 15:36 <nebadon> objects that are 768x768m
2015-07-26 15:36 <nebadon> Mesh Terrain basically
2015-07-26 15:36 <smxy> continuously TPing*
2015-07-26 15:36 <smxy> Makes for big log files though.
2015-07-26 15:36 <nebadon> if i upload one of my region mesh terrain objects via singularity and try to rez it
2015-07-26 15:36 <nebadon> in one of my multi-var simulations
2015-07-26 15:37 <nebadon> where i have like 3x5 768x768 vars
2015-07-26 15:37 <nebadon> say I am in Region A SW corner
2015-07-26 15:37 <nebadon> and i have 3 neighbor vars
2015-07-26 15:37 <nebadon> all 768x768
2015-07-26 15:37 <nebadon> I rez my terrain in Region A
2015-07-26 15:37 <nebadon> I see it visibly for like 5 seconds
2015-07-26 15:37 <nebadon> then it poofs
2015-07-26 15:37 <nebadon> and now I see it in the region to the north
2015-07-26 15:37 <nebadon> I cam over to it and erase the one in the north
2015-07-26 15:38 <nebadon> go to Region A sim console
2015-07-26 15:38 <nebadon> and type force update
2015-07-26 15:38 <nebadon> and now I can see it in region A again
2015-07-26 15:38 <nebadon> however
2015-07-26 15:38 <nebadon> if I upload the mesh with Radegast viewer
2015-07-26 15:38 <nebadon> and then rez it with Singularity
2015-07-26 15:38 <nebadon> it doesnt happen
2015-07-26 15:38 <nebadon> a bug that no one else on earth will ever trigger
2015-07-26 15:38 <nebadon> but me
2015-07-26 15:38 <nebadon> lol
2015-07-26 15:39 <nebadon> the problem with Radegast though
2015-07-26 15:40 <nebadon> is it doesnt preserve the object name correctly
2015-07-26 15:40 <nebadon> like on the LL viewer upload preview window
2015-07-26 15:40 <nebadon> the Name field
2015-07-26 15:40 <nebadon> our Collada files have the coordinates the object should be at in there
2015-07-26 15:40 <nebadon> which the LL viewer automatically reads and fills that field
2015-07-26 15:40 <nebadon> Radegast doesnt
2015-07-26 15:41 <nebadon> it uses some other variable to determine name
2015-07-26 15:41 <nebadon> so I end up doing a lot of annoying manual work that wastes a lot of time
2015-07-26 15:43 <nebadon> however there is one thing about Radegast that is better
2015-07-26 15:43 <nebadon> our mesh tiles consist of 64 objects
2015-07-26 15:43 <nebadon> basically 64 prim linkset
2015-07-26 15:43 <nebadon> Radegast always 100% of the time makes the SW object root
2015-07-26 15:43 <nebadon> the LL viewer randomly picks one
2015-07-26 15:44 <nebadon> literally different every freaking time
2015-07-26 15:44 <nebadon> I want to punch whoever decided that was a good idea
2015-07-26 15:44 <nebadon> even on the same file
2015-07-26 15:44 <nebadon> upload 5 times, different everytime
2015-07-26 15:45 <osmantis> Bug #7643:04 Only one record is inserted in the im_offline table - EVER - this record is being constantly overwritten. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-26 15:46 <nebadon> so thanks lkalif_ you make my days easier :)
2015-07-26 15:46 <nebadon> love radegast for uploading mesh, its awesome
2015-07-26 15:46 <nebadon> even though it really only makes sense for things like terrain
2015-07-26 15:46 <nebadon> because of the no LOD options
2015-07-26 15:46 <nebadon> its still awesome
2015-07-26 15:47 <nebadon> Radegast also uploads my terrain tiles like 50 times faster
2015-07-26 15:48 <nebadon> its like 30 seconds per collada in Radegast, vs like 10-15 minutes per collada in the viewer
2015-07-26 15:48 <nebadon> plus you can bulk upload collada, just awesome
2015-07-26 15:49 <nebadon> 
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2015-07-26 15:53 <Plugh> 
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2015-07-26 15:56 <Plugh> An object going poof so it isn't in the db is an issue. It is just the land db tables where it no longer exists? 
2015-07-26 15:56 <nebadon> ya the prim table is only place i checked
2015-07-26 15:56 <Plugh> 
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2015-07-26 15:57 <nebadon> its pretty rare
2015-07-26 15:57 <Plugh> yea, that makes it seem it is handling it as a delete from land thing.
2015-07-26 15:57 <nebadon> all said Ive experienced it maybe 4 times 
2015-07-26 15:57 <nebadon> maybe 5
2015-07-26 15:57 <Plugh> Issues only you experience are a pain to deal with.
2015-07-26 15:57 <nebadon> no more than handful of times total
2015-07-26 15:57 <nebadon> haha ya
2015-07-26 15:57 <nebadon> I am used to it by now though
2015-07-26 15:57 <Plugh> I wonder why Radegast uploads mesh objects so much faster
2015-07-26 15:58 <nebadon> no LOD calculations are done
2015-07-26 15:58 <nebadon> you get maximum quality on all levels of LOD
2015-07-26 15:58 <nebadon> no conversion
2015-07-26 15:58 <Plugh> reminds me, I haven't tried the new "bettercollada: exporter yet.
2015-07-26 15:58 <Plugh> s/:/"/
2015-07-26 15:58 <nebadon> I did
2015-07-26 15:58 <nebadon> its not better
2015-07-26 15:58 <Plugh> No?
2015-07-26 15:58 <nebadon> it may have been at one time
2015-07-26 15:58 <Plugh> ok
2015-07-26 15:58 <nebadon> and it may work better for some other apps
2015-07-26 15:58 <nebadon> but for opensimulator, the built in collada worked much better for me
2015-07-26 15:59 <Plugh> ok.
2015-07-26 15:59 <nebadon> the other one was missing some options too
2015-07-26 15:59 <nebadon> i couldnt get it to embed textures
2015-07-26 15:59 <nebadon> that was the deal breaker
2015-07-26 15:59 <osmantis> Bug #7653:04 [Patch] Advanced Network Statistics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7653 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-26 15:59 <Plugh> oh
2015-07-26 15:59 <Plugh> I haven't gotten in to texturing my Blender models yet
2015-07-26 16:00 <nebadon> its possible I was just doing something wrong
2015-07-26 16:00 <Plugh> Now that I've settled on 64-bit Linux I need to get virtualbox re-installed then get my 3D modelling program installed in it.
2015-07-26 16:00 <nebadon> there are not a lot of options on that supposedly better exporter
2015-07-26 16:00 <nebadon> one of the things about blender
2015-07-26 16:00 <Plugh> I never used many options in the built-in one.
2015-07-26 16:00 <nebadon> most of the collada work was actually done by Second Life people
2015-07-26 16:00 <nebadon> infact Blender actually has a Second Life check box
2015-07-26 16:01 <nebadon> for export
2015-07-26 16:01 <nebadon> for Rigging
2015-07-26 16:01 <Plugh> ok
2015-07-26 16:01 <nebadon> which is why i supect for us its better choice
2015-07-26 16:01 <Plugh> jumping issues again for a sec... what file format is used for those Smithsonian models?
2015-07-26 16:01 <nebadon> stl
2015-07-26 16:02 <nebadon> let me check the bigger one
2015-07-26 16:02 <Plugh> ok. I think my 3d modelling program can read that.
2015-07-26 16:02 <nebadon> blender can for sure
2015-07-26 16:02 <nebadon> interesting
2015-07-26 16:02 <nebadon> the whale fossil is a obj file
2015-07-26 16:02 <nebadon> eeew
2015-07-26 16:02 <Plugh> I have 3 different ways to get virtualbox installed. 4.3, 5.0, and one that seems to mention it is the one from oracle.
2015-07-26 16:02 <nebadon> has all the jpg textures though
2015-07-26 16:03 <nebadon> I always use the one from oracle
2015-07-26 16:03 <nebadon> even though its a pain
2015-07-26 16:03 <Plugh> I'm pretty sure I can read obj as that is one of the formats I use when exporting to Blender.
2015-07-26 16:03 <nebadon> it seems to work better than repo versions
2015-07-26 16:03 <nebadon> not sure why
2015-07-26 16:03 <nebadon> doing it from rpm sucks kind of
2015-07-26 16:03 <nebadon> because everytime there is a kernel upgrade
2015-07-26 16:03 <nebadon> you have to run a script to fix drivers
2015-07-26 16:03 <Plugh> oh, you mean the one directly from Oracle, or the repo package that says its the Oracle version?
2015-07-26 16:03 <nebadon> which is easy
2015-07-26 16:03 <nebadon> it prints it on screen
2015-07-26 16:03 <nebadon> you just copy paste the command to console
2015-07-26 16:03 <nebadon> then it will run again
2015-07-26 16:04 <Plugh> ok
2015-07-26 16:04 <nebadon> directly from virtualbox.org
2015-07-26 16:04 <Plugh> I haven't had a kernel update lately.
2015-07-26 16:04 <Plugh> ok, I'll do that. 
2015-07-26 16:04 <Plugh> I think i also need to go after the PPA for KiCad as I had been using their daily/nightly build and there are some compatability issues with what is available in the Mint repos.
2015-07-26 16:05 <nebadon> your using mint?
2015-07-26 16:05 <Plugh> yup.
2015-07-26 16:05 <Plugh> 17.2
2015-07-26 16:05 <nebadon> any good?
2015-07-26 16:05 <nebadon> last I tried was like 12 or 13
2015-07-26 16:05 <nebadon> very very ubuntuy
2015-07-26 16:05 <nebadon> haha
2015-07-26 16:05 <Plugh> I've been using Mint ever since I jumped ship when Ubuntu added Unity.
2015-07-26 16:06 <nebadon> oh i swore you were on fedora
2015-07-26 16:06 <Plugh> yea, it is based on ubuntu. I forget which version.
2015-07-26 16:06 <nebadon> actually nevermind thats AllenKerensky
2015-07-26 16:06 <nebadon> hard to keep up :)
2015-07-26 16:06 <Plugh> oh, god no. Last version of Fedora I used was 8. Then 9 came out and I decided I didn't like things happening with Fedora and jumped to Ubuntu.
2015-07-26 16:07 <Plugh> yeah
2015-07-26 16:07 <Plugh> MATE in Mint keeps the Gnome 2 style desktop that I'm happy enough with that I see no reason to change to something else.
2015-07-26 16:07 <nebadon> ya
2015-07-26 16:07 <nebadon> I am like LXDE/QT 
2015-07-26 16:07 <nebadon> ultimately im a KDE person though
2015-07-26 16:08 <Plugh> 
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2015-07-26 16:08 <nebadon> even though its a bit heavy, i like how easy it is
2015-07-26 16:08 <nebadon> if there is one thing I hate about linux, is how much reading I have to do to figure out the simplest thing
2015-07-26 16:09 <Plugh> KDE was all nice and pretty looking. I stayed away from it originally as it used Qt which wasn't open at the time. Later I didn't like how it wanted to grab the audio system for itself and parcel out who could access it. Something like that.
2015-07-26 16:09 <Plugh> I tried it briefly but went back to Gnome 2.
2015-07-26 16:09 <nebadon> yea mostly now its all pulseaudio
2015-07-26 16:09 <Plugh> nebadon: oh? I only have to do reading when I'm doing things a bit out of the ordinary. 
2015-07-26 16:09 <nebadon> which is great as long as it likes your hardware
2015-07-26 16:09 <nebadon> then its the worst thing ever
2015-07-26 16:10 <nebadon> well ya thats kind of what I meant
2015-07-26 16:10 <Plugh> yea, I really don't like PA. It broke working audio on my computer for almost 3 years.
2015-07-26 16:10 <nebadon> like XFCE
2015-07-26 16:10 <nebadon> i feel so lost
2015-07-26 16:10 <nebadon> i end up spending all my time googling how to do things
2015-07-26 16:10 <nebadon> where as KDE feels like Windows 7 almost
2015-07-26 16:10 <nebadon> very familiar / comforatble
2015-07-26 16:10 <nebadon> nice work environment I have to constantly google how to do something
2015-07-26 16:10 <nebadon> its all preference in the end, thats why linux is great too though
2015-07-26 16:10 <Plugh> I'm mostly comfortable with Linux. I started using it in the fall of 1994. 
2015-07-26 16:11 <nebadon> your not stuck on some crappy interface that doesnt make sense to you
2015-07-26 16:11 <Plugh> Still have stuff to learn about it.
2015-07-26 16:11 <Plugh> yup. All kinds of desktop / windowing systems to choose from.
2015-07-26 16:11 <smxy> I use XFCE on servers at work for VNC sessions to various accounts for users who can't work at the command line, as it's very lightweight.
2015-07-26 16:11 <nebadon> i really like LXDE for light weight, its even ligher than XFCE is
2015-07-26 16:11 <Plugh> In the early days I had used fvwm95 which was like Windows 95 style desktop under Linux. :)
2015-07-26 16:12 <nebadon> works great on my raspberry pi's
2015-07-26 16:12 <smxy> Never heard of LXDE, will have to check it out.
2015-07-26 16:12 <Plugh> IIRC, LXDE is a MacOS like desktop for Linux.
2015-07-26 16:13 <Plugh> icons at the bottom of the screen that will change size as your move the mouse across them.
2015-07-26 16:13 <nebadon> https://wiki.installgentoo.com/images/1/16/Screenshot_LXDE.png
2015-07-26 16:13 <nebadon> no
2015-07-26 16:13 <nebadon> LXDE is like XP
2015-07-26 16:13 <nebadon> Win7
2015-07-26 16:14 <nebadon> if anything Gnome is more like OSX than anything I tried
2015-07-26 16:14 <Plugh> I also had used a window manager for a while that looked like that of a SunOS workstation back when I worked at a company that had some Sun machines.
2015-07-26 16:14 <Plugh> ok. Too many window managers/desktop thingies. I forget which one is MacOS like.
2015-07-26 16:14 <Plugh> XFCE?
2015-07-26 16:15 <nebadon> LXDE is very similar to Sun JavaOS
2015-07-26 16:15 <nebadon> XFCE is like the freak stepchild
2015-07-26 16:15 <nebadon> it resembles nothing I have tried
2015-07-26 16:15 <nebadon> its quite original in that regard
2015-07-26 16:16 <nebadon> thats one reason I dont like it much
2015-07-26 16:16 <nebadon> i feel lost always
2015-07-26 16:16 <nebadon> ah yes
2015-07-26 16:16 <Plugh> nebadon, the sun OS one looked like this -> https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=0CAQQjBxqFQoTCOqjrOyY-cYCFYZQkgod_dID9w&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcache.wists.com%2Fthumbnails%2F7%2Ff7%2F7f7feebd01a9e8bb9247f902612df78e-orig&ei=wAe1VerDJoahyQT9pY-4Dw&bvm=bv.98717601,d.aWw&psig=AFQjCNHAZHbeoZVYhVme4Z8jb7UgtJrkeg&ust=1438013752209082
2015-07-26 16:16 <nebadon> your right
2015-07-26 16:16 <nebadon> XFCE does have the apple toolbar
2015-07-26 16:16 <nebadon> i forgot about that
2015-07-26 16:16 <nebadon> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-61rbcBV_QXk/T6yIpXSSvXI/AAAAAAAAAdA/6oKcZU1V0VU/s1600/3.png
2015-07-26 16:16 <Plugh> yea, so many things I get lost as to which is which.
2015-07-26 16:17 <Plugh> which distro is on your Pi? I'm using standard Raspbian
2015-07-26 16:17 <nebadon> Opensuse Tumbleweed
2015-07-26 16:17 <Plugh> hm... that isn't the version of XFCE (or desktop) that I was thinking about.
2015-07-26 16:17 <nebadon> my B+ has opensuse 13.1
2015-07-26 16:17 <nebadon> XFCE has like 100 crazy themes
2015-07-26 16:18 <nebadon> thats another thing with XFCE drove me nuts now I think about it
2015-07-26 16:18 <nebadon> i could never find a theme i really liked
2015-07-26 16:18 <nebadon> http://img03.deviantart.net/3d3c/i/2012/021/3/d/buonanotte_xfce_theme_by_lifeinthegrey-d4n7dvb.png
2015-07-26 16:18 <nebadon> this is XFCE too
2015-07-26 16:18 <Plugh> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Emmabuntus-2-12.04-Desktop_LXDE.png
2015-07-26 16:19 <nebadon> interesting
2015-07-26 16:19 <Plugh> It was LXDE that is a bit Mac like (or was how Mac used to be).
2015-07-26 16:19 <nebadon> i have never seen LXDE look like that
2015-07-26 16:19 <Plugh> I tried it one time. It was interesting to see the icons change size as you pointed at them.
2015-07-26 16:20 <nebadon> http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt135/bloghome/nautilus1.png
2015-07-26 16:20 <nebadon> that is XFCE too
2015-07-26 16:20 <Plugh> 
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2015-07-26 16:20 <nebadon> i guess you can really make any of these desktops look like anything really
2015-07-26 16:20 <nebadon> heh
2015-07-26 16:20 <nebadon> just got to find the one you like
2015-07-26 16:20 <Plugh> yea, there is a difference between the desktop and the windowing system.
2015-07-26 16:21 <nebadon> thats another reason I like KDE
2015-07-26 16:21 <nebadon> has all kinds of awesome desktop effects
2015-07-26 16:21 <nebadon> Jiggly Windows
2015-07-26 16:21 <nebadon> Cube Desktop
2015-07-26 16:21 <Plugh> I used to run Gnome 2 and could choose from a number of Windowing systems. One was windows like (fvwm or fvwm95), one was like SunOS, one was like something else that I can't even remember what it was called.
2015-07-26 16:22 <nebadon> window explode on close etc..
2015-07-26 16:22 <nebadon> if you have fancy high end machine its nice
2015-07-26 16:22 <Plugh> You can get some of that by enabling Compiz for Gnome 2 and/or  MATE
2015-07-26 16:22 <Plugh> I turned it on some years ago and had wobbly windows when moving windows around on the desktop. I turned it off after a while.
2015-07-26 16:23 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoKVWcs5Gfs
2015-07-26 16:24 <Plugh> Ah. Oracle has a repo I can enable to get vbox directly from them.
2015-07-26 16:24 <nebadon> this is basically how my desktops look, little more customized now
2015-07-26 16:24 <Plugh> 
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2015-07-26 16:25 <Plugh> That is a bit how things can look with Compiz.
2015-07-26 16:25 <Plugh> I don't play with all that stuff that much any more. I just want to get work done. If I can start playing with all those options work would not get done.
2015-07-26 16:25 <nebadon> this is my 8 core AMD machine, newest computer
2015-07-26 16:25 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/amd_server_desktop_02.png
2015-07-26 16:27 <Plugh> My machines looks like this -> http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=6a5fbbd
2015-07-26 16:27 <Plugh> I don't have anything currently running on the other two workspaces.
2015-07-26 16:28 <Plugh> I run a viewer on one of the other two. That is when I also discover that switching workspaces too often will crash the viewer.
2015-07-26 16:29 <nebadon> looks nice
2015-07-26 16:30 <Plugh> Its nothing fancy but it gets the job done. Menus in the corner, icons for all my commonly used programs across the top panel, and the system tray in the top right that includes various monitoring applets.
2015-07-26 16:30 <Plugh> The bottom is about what is currently running and the workspace switcher/monitor, and trash can.
2015-07-26 16:31 <Plugh> The one icon in the bottom left is to show the desktop.
2015-07-26 16:31 <Plugh> I don't bother with changing wallpaper as most of the time I would never see it with all the open windows I have hiding it.
2015-07-26 16:32 <Plugh> I recently added 3 icons to the top panel. I can't add many more.
2015-07-26 16:33 <Plugh> The two icons left of the blender one in the top panels are for GIMP. The one with the yellow hard hat is the latest version built from their git repo.
2015-07-26 16:33 <Plugh> :)
2015-07-26 16:33 <orenh> I think I found a bug in llGetTime()
2015-07-26 16:34 <Plugh> orenh: What bug?
2015-07-26 16:34 <orenh> The code in OpenSim returns the number of seconds elapsed since the script started, as it should
2015-07-26 16:34 <nebadon> oh what the problem orenh?
2015-07-26 16:34 <orenh> but the viewer displays that /1000
2015-07-26 16:34 <nebadon> odd
2015-07-26 16:34 <Plugh> oh?
2015-07-26 16:34 <orenh> e.g., if llGetTime() returns 2.5, i.e. 2.5 seconds
2015-07-26 16:34 <nebadon> ahh
2015-07-26 16:34 <orenh> then the viewer displays: 0.00025
2015-07-26 16:34 <Plugh> one is using seconds and the other milliseconds?
2015-07-26 16:34 <orenh> well, llGetTime() is defined to return seconds. And it does.
2015-07-26 16:35 <orenh> no idea why the viewer shows it as if it's milliseconds
2015-07-26 16:35 <Plugh> where in the viewer are you getting .00025?
2015-07-26 16:35 <orenh> I write it in llSay()
2015-07-26 16:35 <nebadon> have you compared in SL?
2015-07-26 16:35 <nebadon> do they report same in SL?
2015-07-26 16:35 <Plugh> ok, that's strange.
2015-07-26 16:35 <orenh> the example here does the same thing, so it should work: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlGetTime
2015-07-26 16:35 <orenh> did not try in SL
2015-07-26 16:35 <nebadon> i cant say I have used that function before
2015-07-26 16:35 <Plugh> IIRC, I have used it.
2015-07-26 16:35 <Plugh> not recently though.
2015-07-26 16:36 <Plugh> if you get 2.5 and output that in a say with a cast to string it should still say 2.5
2015-07-26 16:37 <orenh> dang it!
2015-07-26 16:37 <orenh> outwitted myself!
2015-07-26 16:37 <Plugh> :)
2015-07-26 16:37 <orenh> I'm the one who was converting to seconds...
2015-07-26 16:38 <nebadon> heh
2015-07-26 16:38 <Plugh> :)
2015-07-26 16:40 <Plugh> nebadon: The CompizConfig Settings Manager warns you it is an advanced tool and to use it with caution. It lets you enable all sorts of "fancy" things.
2015-07-26 16:41 <Plugh> hm... it has desktop cube checked? I just use a keyboard shortcut to switch workspaces. Not sure how to switch in a way that the cube would show
2015-07-26 16:45 <Plugh> ah ha. uname -a just reminded me that Mint 17 is based on Ubuntu 14.04
2015-07-26 16:45 <Plugh> lunch time. bbl.
2015-07-26 17:10 <H-H-H> anyone looked at Irrlicht ?
2015-07-26 17:17 <osmantis> Bug #7653:04 [Patch] Advanced Network Statistics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7653 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-26 17:19 <Plugh> nebadon: It turns out the version of virtualbox for my repo is the latest available.
2015-07-26 17:52 <nebadon> k cool
2015-07-26 17:52 <nebadon> I dont know why but for some reason on Opensuse whenever I tried starting the one in the repo it gave me troubles
2015-07-26 19:26 <osmantis> Bug #7647:04 Sim instance starts using about 1GB memory more per hour until PC runs out of memory and crashes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7647 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-26 21:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #4254 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-07-26 21:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4254: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4254/
2015-07-26 21:33 <osjenkins> * melanie: Fixed not being charged to create classifeids on money enabled regions
2015-07-26 21:34 <osjenkins> * melanie: Add LogFile option in OpenSimDefaults.ini. It was omitted accidentally
2015-07-26 21:34 <osjenkins> * orenh: Update PGSQL groups handler to accept search queries from the viewer
2015-07-26 21:34 <osjenkins> * orenh: Fixed bug introduced in 4735514. The project didn't compile.
2015-07-26 21:50 <osmantis> Bug #7535:04 Non-Standard avatars bouncing-jerking movement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7535 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-26 23:15 <osmantis> Bug #7647:04 Sim instance starts using about 1GB memory more per hour until PC runs out of memory and crashes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7647 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-27 02:48 <osmantis> Bug #7535:04 Non-Standard avatars bouncing-jerking movement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7535 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-27 12:46 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-27 12:47 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-07-27 14:22 <osmantis> Bug #7647:04 Sim instance starts using about 1GB memory more per hour until PC runs out of memory and crashes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7647 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-27 19:23 <djphil> Hello, I seek a newer version of OpenSim Seach
2015-07-27 19:23 <djphil> I found this but it seems to 4 years old and no longer works correctly ... https://github.com/OS-Development/OpenSim.Search
2015-07-27 19:23 <djphil> Do you have a newer version somewhere?
2015-07-27 19:49 <Plugh> djphil: The latest version is in forge.opensimulator.org
2015-07-27 19:50 <djphil> here ? http://forge.opensimulator.org/
2015-07-27 19:50 <Plugh> It always had been afaik. I don't know anything about code on that site you mentioned, djphil.
2015-07-27 19:50 <Plugh> yes
2015-07-27 19:50 <Plugh> I have been maintaining the addon (non-core) search and profile modules.
2015-07-27 19:51 <djphil> ok found this one
2015-07-27 19:51 <djphil> http://forge.opensimulator.org/kcozens/OpenSimSearch
2015-07-27 19:51 <djphil> is 1 month ego
2015-07-27 19:51 <djphil> it seam last version :)
2015-07-27 19:51 <djphil> ty
2015-07-27 19:51 <djphil> o will try it!
2015-07-27 19:51 <Plugh> http://forge.opensimulator.org/kcozens/OpenSimSearch
2015-07-27 19:51 <Plugh> yup. That's the one.
2015-07-27 19:51 <djphil> yep :p
2015-07-27 19:52 <Plugh> It has a detailed README that will tell you a lot about it.
2015-07-27 19:52 <djphil> ok
2015-07-27 19:53 <djphil> i try to make the viewer web search working ...
2015-07-27 19:53 <Plugh> I need a break. I'll bbl if you have any questions about it.
2015-07-27 19:53 <djphil> kk, ty
2015-07-27 19:54 <djphil> for this page : http://www.imagerun.info/img201/xe9j9ib3yjdbe4jh.jpg
2015-07-27 22:04 <Plugh> djphil: Searching for objects is not a feature of the OpenSimSearch module. It requires an off-world web server based script. I was planning to write one but I haven't gotten around to that yet.
2015-07-27 22:12 <djphil> @ Plugh :  The version opensimsearch on opensim forge is to opensim v0.8.1 ...
2015-07-27 22:12 <djphil> I voudris something to work with opensim master (OSGrid Version) ...
2015-07-27 22:12 <djphil> It gives this version a search module, I compared the two modules ... the first is 17KB, 32KB makes the second ... there really are a big difference ...
2015-07-27 22:12 <djphil> With the release of v0.8.2 and my search opensim simulator module that works well for all but the search webpage qye I try to do ... plus I do not see the database module serach filling .. .
2015-07-27 22:12 <djphil> I have a page to add events ... and I want to use the search of events ...
2015-07-27 22:12 <djphil> A great adventure in perspective ...
2015-07-27 22:12 <Plugh> It should work with master. If it doesn't, tell me what isn't working and I'll look at fixing it.
2015-07-27 22:13 <djphil> you mean about opensim forge version ?
2015-07-27 22:13 <Plugh> yes
2015-07-27 22:14 <djphil> I have not managed to get it working properly
2015-07-27 22:14 <djphil> This probably because I use opensim v0.8.2
2015-07-27 22:14 <Ken_S> I'd like to eventually see search as a Robust module so no web server was needed.
2015-07-27 22:14 <Plugh> You went through the readme file in the version on forge?
2015-07-27 22:15 <djphil> yes
2015-07-27 22:15 <djphil> i have added the url in the opensim.ini
2015-07-27 22:15 <djphil> and the module name
2015-07-27 22:15 <Plugh> Tell me what isn't working and I'll look at it later.
2015-07-27 22:15 <Plugh> I should put in some info about adding a .ini file to the addons directory at some point.
2015-07-27 22:16 <djphil> ok, I'll try with already Version 0.8.1 post-fix
2015-07-27 22:16 <djphil> Then I will try with Master 0.8.2 ... so that I can inform you better
2015-07-27 22:16 <djphil> This will not be immediate
2015-07-27 22:16 <Plugh> ok. Telling me it doesn't work properly isn't sufficient information.
2015-07-27 22:17 <djphil> sure :p
2015-07-28 07:12 <osmantis> Bug #7643:04 Only one record is inserted in the im_offline table - EVER - this record is being constantly overwritten. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-28 07:14 <osmantis> Bug #7643:04 Only one record is inserted in the im_offline table - EVER - this record is being constantly overwritten. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-28 07:44 <osmantis> Bug #7643:04 Only one record is inserted in the im_offline table - EVER - this record is being constantly overwritten. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-28 09:08 <osmantis> Bug #7655:04 physics and sim fps down by 43 fps 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7655 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2015-07-28 14:27 <osmantis> Bug #7655:04 physics and sim fps down by 43 fps 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7655 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-28 14:28 <osmantis> Bug #7655:04 physics and sim fps down by 43 fps 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7655 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-07-28 14:55 <osmantis> Bug #7643:04 Only one record is inserted in the im_offline table - EVER - this record is being constantly overwritten. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-28 16:32 <Plugh> This is going to be a bad day. Barely noon and already spent 2.5 hours in battles and yet more to come. Trying to move a grid to a new machine and upgrade it from 076 to 081. Always nothing but trouble having to track down and fix all the configuration issues. 
2015-07-28 16:32 <Plugh> It would be nice if OS could read an older config file and update itself.
2015-07-28 16:36 <Plugh> "Could not find IGroupsServicesConnector" so groups is being disabled. There is no such setting in the ini files.
2015-07-28 17:29 <Plugh> Found a string that wasn't quoted and one other setting for groups that had to be set to the V2 entry. No more red text on start up but still no groups.
2015-07-28 17:32 <osmantis> Bug #7656:04 'load xml2' code broken in "./OpenSim/Region/Framework/Scenes/Serialization/SceneXmlLoader.cs" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7656 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-07-28 17:50 <Ken_S> Plugh, you were still using 076?
2015-07-28 17:51 <Ken_S> Wow that will be a hassle.
2015-07-28 17:52 <Plugh> It wasn't me running it.
2015-07-28 17:53 <Plugh> I'm on 080 and going to 081 soon once I do a few more tests on it.
2015-07-28 17:53 <Plugh> I turned on debugging for groups and groups messaging and got this -> [Groups.Messaging]: GroupsMessagingModule V2 requires MessageOnlineUsersOnly = true
2015-07-28 17:53 <Plugh> Looks like a feature that isn't (yet?) in core groups.
2015-07-28 17:55 <Plugh> And the comments for that setting say it is experimental.
2015-07-28 18:10 <Plugh> dang it. Still can't get groups.
2015-07-28 22:20 <Plugh> djphil: How did you get on with the search module?
2015-07-28 23:09 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-07-28 23:10 <nebadon> you ever get past the groups thing Plugh?
2015-07-28 23:13 <Plugh> not yet
2015-07-28 23:13 <Plugh> I've turned on debugging for groups and groups messaging but I haven't seen any additional helpful information yet.
2015-07-28 23:14 <Plugh> AFAICT, I have the same settings as on the previous machine running that is running 076.
2015-07-28 23:17 <nebadon> hmm are you using the v2 groups config maybe?
2015-07-28 23:17 <Plugh> Supposed to be V2
2015-07-28 23:17 <nebadon> ah ok
2015-07-28 23:18 <nebadon> thought maybe you were using flotsam
2015-07-28 23:18 <Plugh> I usually do but I'm helping someone else and they are using core groups.
2015-07-28 23:19 <nebadon> ahh gotcha
2015-07-28 23:19 <nebadon> only thing I can say is make 100% sure all inis have been updated
2015-07-28 23:19 <nebadon> ie Grid.ini etc..
2015-07-28 23:19 <nebadon> you will probably have trouble just carrying over old ini files
2015-07-28 23:20 <Plugh> I compared them against the .example files.
2015-07-28 23:20 <Plugh> I keep the ini files close to the original so it is easier to see what changes are needed when updating to newer versions of OS.
2015-07-28 23:22 <Plugh> 32C outside and I need to go put on a long sleeve shirt so I don't freeze to death where I'm sitting. Got an air conditioning vent almost directly over my head.
2015-07-28 23:22 <Plugh> bbiab
2015-07-29 00:07 <Plugh> I wonder if the database names used by core groups changed.
2015-07-29 00:08 <Plugh> Nope. Just see one set of tables: os_groups_*
2015-07-29 00:14 <nebadon> you mean on Robust?
2015-07-29 00:14 <nebadon> or the region?
2015-07-29 00:15 <nebadon> the error you are getting is on Robust or Region I mean
2015-07-29 00:15 <nebadon> i was assuming you meant region
2015-07-29 00:26 <Plugh> I was getting red text when starting an instance but now that I fixed a couple config issues re: Groups the red text is gone but the groups are also still gone.
2015-07-29 00:26 <Plugh> They show in the db tables but inworld it just reports no groups.
2015-07-29 00:27 <Plugh> Debugging is enabled and I see it reporting group queries being made but I don't know what is happening to any results (if any).
2015-07-29 00:37 <Plugh> grr... my avatar keeps turning all white.
2015-07-29 00:39 <Plugh> Soon as I right click and pick Appearance, I look the way I'm supposed to look.
2015-07-29 00:46 <Melanie_T> in appearance mode, your bakes are produced and used locally
2015-07-29 00:46 <Melanie_T> in any other mode, server-sent bakes are used
2015-07-29 00:46 <Melanie_T> so you seem to have an issue with the viewer not sending bakes to the server
2015-07-29 00:47 <Melanie_T> it's strange but it's how it works. the viewer sends bakes to the server, which then sends them back
2015-07-29 00:47 <Melanie_T> this can be caused by wearing invalid skirt or haur assets
2015-07-29 00:47 <Melanie_T> and yes, even male avatars have a skirt bake
2015-07-29 00:47 <Plugh> the os console is output a number of messages about missing baked texture
2015-07-29 00:47 <Melanie_T> just no part of the mesh mapped to display it
2015-07-29 00:47 <Plugh> and requesting a rebakel
2015-07-29 00:47 <Melanie_T> then you have an invalid asset
2015-07-29 00:48 <Melanie_T> we usually fix that by logging the avatar out
2015-07-29 00:48 <Melanie_T> and deleting the entries from the legacy avatarappearance table as well as all lnks from current outfit
2015-07-29 00:48 <Melanie_T> when the avatar logs back in it will be a cloud and can then re-dress from an outfit folder
2015-07-29 00:48 <Melanie_T> that usually fixes it
2015-07-29 00:55 <Plugh> I'll have a go at that tomorrow. I've have enough headaches to deal with for today.
2015-07-29 00:56 <Plugh> Tomorrow I'll dig out WinGridProxy.exe and see if it helps me to figure out why core Groups isn't working.
2015-07-29 01:21 <danbanner> ping AliciaRaven
2015-07-29 01:30 <SilverWhitefish> So who in here works for Linden Labs?
2015-07-29 01:31 <nebadon> no one
2015-07-29 01:31 <nebadon> Linden Labs employees are not permitted to work with us anymore
2015-07-29 01:31 <SilverWhitefish> someone does
2015-07-29 01:32 <SilverWhitefish> how come their not allowed to work with you
2015-07-29 01:32 <nebadon> you would have to ask them
2015-07-29 01:32 <nebadon> really they never worked with us
2015-07-29 01:32 <SilverWhitefish> if not literally work with you someone is defiently talking to them on a regular basis
2015-07-29 01:32 <nebadon> they have never done any of the coe
2015-07-29 01:32 <zacdev> i do not like LL :)
2015-07-29 01:32 <nebadon> no you are mistaken
2015-07-29 01:32 <nebadon> we do not talk with Linden Lab
2015-07-29 01:32 <nebadon> nor do they talk with us
2015-07-29 01:33 <SilverWhitefish> someone in here does nebadon 
2015-07-29 01:33 <nebadon> then why are you asking?
2015-07-29 01:33 <SilverWhitefish> im just wondering why they even care
2015-07-29 01:33 <nebadon> if you already know dont waste our time please
2015-07-29 01:33 <zacdev> LL is walledgardens we are not how come SilverWhitefish?
2015-07-29 01:34 <SilverWhitefish> i dont mean to waste anyones time. im just curious is all
2015-07-29 01:34 <nebadon> well I am telling you no lindens here
2015-07-29 01:35 <SilverWhitefish> my account on sl is under watch per say
2015-07-29 01:35 <SilverWhitefish> i dont know why or for what reason but i know forsure
2015-07-29 01:35 <nebadon> this is a development channel
2015-07-29 01:36 <SilverWhitefish> sorry
2015-07-29 02:00 <ktec7> anyone know how to migrate from opensim assets to fsassets?
2015-07-29 02:21 <Plugh> I have a general idea but I haven't looked at the fsassets system.
2015-07-29 02:21 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-29 02:24 <ktec7> I have a db full of assets 50GB but need to convert to fsassets
2015-07-29 02:25 <nebadon> that would take a while
2015-07-29 02:25 <nebadon> possibly weeks
2015-07-29 02:26 <nebadon> you need to dump all the assets to flat file blobs that are named by their hash
2015-07-29 02:26 <nebadon> currently there are no tools for this process
2015-07-29 02:26 <nebadon> there is a tool for sras that you could use
2015-07-29 02:26 <nebadon> its a php-cli script taht Plugh wrote
2015-07-29 02:26 <nebadon> I am not sure how well it would work
2015-07-29 02:26 <nebadon> im sure the script could be changed to output exactly what fsassets needs
2015-07-29 02:27 <ktec7> i looked at sras but there is no migration scrips
2015-07-29 02:28 <nebadon> ya its not included
2015-07-29 02:28 <nebadon> 1 sec
2015-07-29 02:28 <nebadon> http://onikenkon.com/sras/robust_to_sras_instructions.zip
2015-07-29 02:28 <nebadon> took me a minute to remember where I put it
2015-07-29 02:28 <Plugh> Is fsassets in a separate repo? I forget where I have the last message about it.
2015-07-29 02:28 <nebadon> in this file is a php file you from from php-cli
2015-07-29 02:28 <nebadon> its in core now Plugh
2015-07-29 02:29 <Plugh> In a branch or in master?
2015-07-29 02:29 <ktec7> thank you
2015-07-29 02:30 <nebadon> its been a while since i used that script
2015-07-29 02:30 <nebadon> Plugh actually wrote it
2015-07-29 02:30 <nebadon> with 50gb its going to take a while to convert
2015-07-29 02:31 <Plugh> 50G isn't all that much. ;)
2015-07-29 02:31 <nebadon> ya its not too bad but it will probably take a while
2015-07-29 02:31 <Plugh> yeah
2015-07-29 02:31 <nebadon> guess it depends on how fast the server is
2015-07-29 02:31 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-07-29 02:31 <nebadon> when i did it for osgrid the server was mediocre :)
2015-07-29 02:32 <Plugh> I was thinking of looking to see how fsassets stores its data by looking at docs but I realized this is OS. What docs? hehe
2015-07-29 02:32 <ktec7> we are having issues of robust droping people and am trying to solve this issue
2015-07-29 02:33 <nebadon> Plugh its very similar to sras and flotsamcache
2015-07-29 02:33 <Plugh> hm... I'll have to modify that script to work with fsassets. It uses a separate table.
2015-07-29 02:33 <linkedinyou> playing in hashes need an expert to make it update again
2015-07-29 02:33 <nebadon> yea that script will need to be modded
2015-07-29 02:33 <nebadon> but its like 90% there already
2015-07-29 02:33 <nebadon> shouldnt be that hard to modify it
2015-07-29 02:33 <ktec7> does sras support mesh?
2015-07-29 02:33 <nebadon> sure
2015-07-29 02:34 <nebadon> dont use sras
2015-07-29 02:34 <nebadon> lol
2015-07-29 02:34 <Plugh> yeah. I just need to be clear on how fsassets handles the data.
2015-07-29 02:34 <nebadon> I would make the effort to use fsassets
2015-07-29 02:34 <nebadon> its better
2015-07-29 02:34 <Plugh> linkedinyou: huh?
2015-07-29 02:36 <Plugh> I wish gitk wrapped changelog messages.
2015-07-29 02:37 <linkedinyou> Plugh: once i had sme problem with hashes and when i played with it i was having 200 users and after finish doing hashes i gone through updating all the 200 users hashes in db one by one
2015-07-29 02:37 <Plugh> ok
2015-07-29 02:45 <Plugh> nebadon: Have you considered switching osgrid over to fsassets?
2015-07-29 02:45 <nebadon> Plugh already done :)
2015-07-29 02:45 <linkedinyou> Plugh: really still osgrid with sras?
2015-07-29 02:45 <linkedinyou> ah ok
2015-07-29 02:45 <Plugh> oh, nice..
2015-07-29 02:46 <nebadon> OSgrid was the first non Avination grid to use fsassets
2015-07-29 02:46 <nebadon> when our raid failed
2015-07-29 02:46 <nebadon> we didnt even bother going back to sras
2015-07-29 02:46 <nebadon> I asked melanie to help us make the transition
2015-07-29 02:46 <Plugh> oh, that was part of getting the grid back up.
2015-07-29 02:46 <nebadon> yes
2015-07-29 02:46 <linkedinyou> sras was by coyd?
2015-07-29 02:46 <Plugh> coyled?
2015-07-29 02:46 <linkedinyou> yes
2015-07-29 02:47 <linkedinyou> i remmber him when we worked on something like sras 3 years ago i do not remmber
2015-07-29 02:47 <linkedinyou> https://github.com/coyled/sras
2015-07-29 02:48 <nebadon> yes sras isnt really being maintained anymore
2015-07-29 02:48 <Plugh> I'll have to dig through fsassets to figure out its storage structure and methods.
2015-07-29 02:48 <nebadon> someone could take the code and continue to maintain it
2015-07-29 02:48 <nebadon> but fsassets is basically sras but in C# 
2015-07-29 02:48 <nebadon> and runs directly in robust
2015-07-29 02:48 <nebadon> instead of stupid ruby
2015-07-29 02:48 <nebadon> I hate ruby
2015-07-29 02:48 <Plugh> part of the problem with sras was it required a specific version of Ruby.
2015-07-29 02:48 <nebadon> setting up the ruby environment correctly sucks
2015-07-29 02:48 <nebadon> Plugh yea
2015-07-29 02:49 <nebadon> thats because Ruby kept changing
2015-07-29 02:49 <nebadon> heh
2015-07-29 02:49 <nebadon> its a moving target
2015-07-29 02:49 <Plugh> Last I checked, current Ruby in my repos was version 4(?) and it was written for Ruby 3, or something like that.
2015-07-29 02:49 <nebadon> ya
2015-07-29 02:49 <nebadon> you have to us RVM
2015-07-29 02:50 <nebadon> which makes it easier
2015-07-29 02:50 <nebadon> but its still not fun
2015-07-29 02:50 <Plugh> well, Python, Perl, and PHP are also moving targets
2015-07-29 02:50 <nebadon> yea
2015-07-29 02:50 <Plugh> maybe less so and with some backwards compatibility
2015-07-29 02:50 <nebadon> getting the Ruby Gems right is a pain
2015-07-29 02:50 <nebadon> Ruby is very modular
2015-07-29 02:51 <Plugh> I'd be more inclined to convert the code to Python. :)
2015-07-29 02:53 <Plugh> no sign of any notes on fsassets in the wiki
2015-07-29 02:53 <Plugh> Didn't really expect to find any but thought I'd check.
2015-07-29 02:54 <nebadon> yea I doubt anyone has gone that far yet
2015-07-29 02:54 <nebadon> to be honest I havent looked at fsassets at all yet
2015-07-29 02:54 <nebadon> Melanie and AllenKerensky did most of the work for OSgrid
2015-07-29 02:54 <nebadon> I just didnt have the time to be involved
2015-07-29 02:59 <Plugh> The other day I closed one of the side windows in monodevelop instead letting it auto-dock and now I can't figure out how to get it back.
2015-07-29 02:59 <Plugh> Sometimes I don't like MD.
2015-07-29 03:00 <Plugh> You just want to click that X to make something hide but it doesn't hide it. It removes it.
2015-07-29 03:01 <Plugh> wow. FSAssets seems to do a lot of checking of its configuration. More than any other module I've looked at to date.
2015-07-29 03:01 <Plugh> Wish more of them did as much.
2015-07-29 03:02 <Plugh> My grid start up script that uses a common binary directory is about 100 lines due to setting up all the ENV vars I need plus all the validation on the arguments passed to the script.
2015-07-29 03:02 <Plugh> I tried to make it reasonably bullet proof.
2015-07-29 03:04 <Plugh> I'll look at the FSassets code tomorrow. I couldn't find it in MD to let me bounce around and check a couple things about it.
2015-07-29 03:05 <Plugh> bbl
2015-07-29 03:06 <nebadon> kk
2015-07-29 03:06 <nebadon> AliciaRaven was who ported into core
2015-07-29 03:06 <nebadon> from Melanies branch
2015-07-29 03:06 <nebadon> she can probably answer some questions about it
2015-07-29 03:07 <nebadon> and of course if you see Melanie :)
2015-07-29 03:15 <dahlia> Plugh: my grid update/restart script is: "killall -TERM mono"
2015-07-29 03:16 <dahlia> that will update robust and all regions and restart them :)
2015-07-29 03:20 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-29 03:53 <linkedinyou> Plugh: oh sorry <nebadon> its a php-cli script taht Plugh wrote  << sras
2015-07-29 03:56 <linkedinyou> <nebadon> Plugh actually wrote it
2015-07-29 03:58 <linkedinyou> Plugh: <Plugh> hm... I'll have to modify that script to work with fsassets. It uses a separate table. <<<  waiting for you as i need to update too
2015-07-29 04:00 <ktec7> any way to tell sras the location to the config file?
2015-07-29 04:02 <ktec7> imrecieving error http://pastebin.com/eniDp7vk
2015-07-29 04:04 <nebadon> its been a while since i looked at sras
2015-07-29 04:04 <nebadon> i honestly dont remember how it works
2015-07-29 04:05 <nebadon> its been close to 2 years since I set up an sras instance
2015-07-29 04:05 <linkedinyou> nebadon: i remmber when you told me to use RVM that is long time ago
2015-07-29 04:05 <linkedinyou> ages
2015-07-29 04:12 <linkedinyou> ktec7: this might help https://github.com/coyled/sras/issues
2015-07-29 04:13 <ktec7> i looking at it now
2015-07-29 04:25 <nebadon> if i recall
2015-07-29 04:26 <nebadon> you have to put .srasrc file in ~
2015-07-29 04:26 <nebadon> thats where config goes
2015-07-29 04:27 <ktec7> id did
2015-07-29 04:29 <ktec7>  mapping values are not allowed in this context at line 3 column 20 (Psych::SyntaxError)
2015-07-29 04:34 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-07-29 04:34 <osmantis> Bug #7643:04 Only one record is inserted in the im_offline table - EVER - this record is being constantly overwritten. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7643 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-07-29 04:44 <ktec7> required)>': undefined method `[]' for nil:NilClass (NoMethodError)
2015-07-29 04:46 <nebadon> what version of Ruby
2015-07-29 04:46 <nebadon> sras requires a very specific version of ruby
2015-07-29 04:46 <nebadon> else it fails
2015-07-29 04:46 <nebadon> my guess is this is your problem
2015-07-29 04:46 <nebadon> look in that zip i sent you
2015-07-29 04:46 <nebadon> though that zip may be out dated now
2015-07-29 04:50 <ktec7> ruby-1.9.2-p330
2015-07-29 04:55 <ktec7> nothing should be this hard
2015-07-29 04:55 <nebadon> right I told you its not worth it
2015-07-29 04:55 <nebadon> heh
2015-07-29 04:56 <nebadon> I doubt the person who wrote it could even help you with it at this point
2015-07-29 04:56 <nebadon> coyled hasnt worked on it in years
2015-07-29 04:56 <nebadon> since before I last used it
2015-07-29 04:56 <nebadon> at the time it surved its purpose for OSgrid
2015-07-29 04:56 <nebadon> it was never intended to really be used outside of OSgrid
2015-07-29 04:56 <nebadon> we just shared it basically support free for anyone brave enough who knew ruby
2015-07-29 04:56 <nebadon> if you dont know Ruby, its probably not worth using
2015-07-29 05:04 <djphil> Hello, about OFFLINE IM V2, quelqe'un know how to fix this error? http://pastebin.com/SWHJp94C
2015-07-29 05:04 <djphil> I looked at the table structure provided on the wiki opensim @ http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Offline_Instant_Messaging_v2 and I do not see "FromID" in the proposed table structure.
2015-07-29 05:04 <djphil> There is there a mistake in the wiki?
2015-07-29 05:05 <djphil> anyone*
2015-07-29 06:10 <ktec7> got it i manualy defined the information in config.rb
2015-07-29 08:15 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-07-29 15:28 <osmantis> Bug #7621:04 Animations totally desync (UDP problems) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7621 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-07-29 15:29 <osmantis> Bug #7558:04 Script status is not saved. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7558 ): has been UPDATED.
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2015-07-29 18:40 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-29 18:55 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-29 19:33 <JunkHunk> Hello opensimmers! I would like to build a one on one videogame with opensimulator. Is it possible to tune up some viewer for that? If so which would be the best? By tunning I mean simplifying the viewer focusing in the videogame requirements...splash screens, status bars, simpler and more visual inventories...travellings to show where the action is and timing to synchronize the action with some inworld NPCs
2015-07-29 19:54 <nebadon> JunkHunk we have a project called OnLook viewer
2015-07-29 19:54 <nebadon> might be a good candidate
2015-07-29 19:55 <nebadon> you could speak with diva when she has some time about what it can do
2015-07-29 19:55 <nebadon> http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/opensim/onlook-viewer/
2015-07-29 20:16 <JunkHunk> Interesting
2015-07-29 20:51 <JunkHunk> Is that onlook-viewer a diva distro only viewer? Because as far as I know diva distro is currently not supporting NPCs which are a key part in the videogame I have in mind...
2015-07-29 20:54 <dahlia> JunkHunk: NPCs are part of Opensim core which is what diva is based on
2015-07-29 20:55 <dahlia> but I believe the onlook viewer is a separate project
2015-07-29 23:03 <Lirusaito> dahlia: Yeah, onlook supports anything with the module that makes it work.
2015-07-29 23:54 <misterblue> Does anyone know where there is documentation for the package/module stuff diva did a few months ago?
2015-07-29 23:54 <misterblue> 
ACTION can't find it searching around the opensimulator.org site

2015-07-29 23:56 <diva> what misterblue?
2015-07-29 23:56 <AliciaRaven> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/IRegionModule i think
2015-07-29 23:56 <misterblue> the installable module work you did, diva
2015-07-29 23:57 <misterblue> I can create things in addon-modules, but I remembered that Diva did some better packaging for simulator additions
2015-07-29 23:58 <diva> oh the mono addins?
2015-07-29 23:58 <diva> 1 sec
2015-07-29 23:59 <diva> Developer side: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Developing_OpenSim_Addins
2015-07-29 23:59 <diva> User side: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Installing_3rd_party_addins
2015-07-30 00:00 <diva> it's working great for me!
2015-07-30 00:00 <AliciaRaven> misterblue, btw that typo i mentioned in mantis #7612 there are a few more in that same file that set frame2._origin = frame1v;
2015-07-30 00:00 <diva> there's also robust addins, not sure if you want those. Same thing, but the extension point is different
2015-07-30 00:00 <misterblue> thanks Diva... that's what I was looking for :)
2015-07-30 00:01 <diva> yw
2015-07-30 00:02 <misterblue> k AliciaRaven, I'll take a look... the XNA module is the C# port of the Bullet physics engine...  the only person I know who uses it is Nebadon when he runs OpenSim on his Raspberry Pi :)
2015-07-30 00:03 <misterblue> but, don't want to confuse future developers... I'll see they are fixed
2015-07-30 00:03 <AliciaRaven> hehe i thought so, i only noticed as it caused a compile warning
2015-07-30 00:03 <misterblue> 
ACTION thinks it must have been late at night when he copy-and-pasted the XNA wrapper

2015-07-30 00:03 <diva> geez thw wiki is full of dust and spider webs
2015-07-30 00:04 <misterblue> very muchly so, Diva... I couldn't find that page you pointed to :-(
2015-07-30 00:05 <diva> yeah I had to use google, and even so it was because I knew what words to use!
2015-07-30 00:05 <diva> I can't find BlueWall's robust pliguins page
2015-07-30 00:06 <Plugh> diva, yea, there be strange wee beaties hiding in some of those deep dark corners in the wiki :)
2015-07-30 00:07 <Plugh> s/beaties/beasties/
2015-07-30 00:07 <misterblue> 
ACTION thought 'wee beaties' was a new British Invasion ;-)

2015-07-30 00:11 <misterblue> should we be using Nuget for OpenSimulator extension modules?
2015-07-30 00:13 <diva> no, I don't think so
2015-07-30 00:13 <diva> I remember I looked at it at the time, and my conclusion was that that was another level
2015-07-30 00:14 <diva> I don't remember the details off top ot my head though
2015-07-30 00:14 <diva> oh I know. nuget packages are for developers. They're libraries you code against
2015-07-30 00:15 <diva> these modules are for users. You don't want users to compile anything, just drop them in
2015-07-30 00:15 <misterblue> well, could be features added to the simulator... but not sure if system wide or user centric
2015-07-30 00:16 <misterblue> I remeber that your thought was that one has a simulator and then installs packages to add feature X, Y and Z
2015-07-30 00:16 <diva> Nuget is tied to Visual Studio
2015-07-30 00:16 <diva> yes, you can do that with these mono addins, no need to use VS
2015-07-30 00:16 <misterblue> Visual Studio does make it easy to create Nuget packages... not sure how to create them outside VS
2015-07-30 00:18 <diva> I never used nugets, but my impression was that it's a packet manager for developers. Necessary libraries for using in your own code. It's not a drop into end user kind of deal. I may be wrong, because I never used it, I only read about it
2015-07-30 00:18 <diva> I don't know if it can be easily used by people who don't know what VS is
2015-07-30 00:19 <diva> basically it looked more like Java's Maven than an end-user plugin system
2015-07-30 00:22 <misterblue> well, I won't go Nuget route... I am thinking of how to break up OpenSim to make it more parallelizable and distributable (in the processor sense).. how one packages the parts becomes important
2015-07-30 00:22 <diva> yes
2015-07-30 03:46 <osmantis> Bug #7658:04 Add ossl function osReCompile to rebuild scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7658 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-07-30 05:28 <osmantis> Bug #7658:04 Add ossl function osReCompile to rebuild scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7658 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-30 06:28 <ktec7> got sras up and running but is there any special things to do to robut.hg.ini as we use hg robust
2015-07-30 06:42 <nebadon> just need to point the simulator GridCommon.ini to the right server is all
2015-07-30 06:42 <nebadon> you could remove the asset stuff from Robust
2015-07-30 06:42 <nebadon> but that isnt necesarrily required, but safer
2015-07-30 06:43 <nebadon> actually there might be some spots in Robust.ini you need to make sure are pointing at the proper port/url for the asset server
2015-07-30 06:43 <nebadon> I think that would only effect HG though
2015-07-30 06:44 <nebadon> comment this out
2015-07-30 06:44 <nebadon> AssetServiceConnector = "${Const|PrivatePort}/OpenSim.Server.Handlers.dll:AssetServiceConnector"
2015-07-30 06:44 <nebadon> this too
2015-07-30 06:44 <nebadon> HGAssetServiceConnector = "HGAssetService@${Const|PublicPort}/OpenSim.Server.Handlers.dll:AssetServiceConnector"
2015-07-30 06:45 <nebadon> this section
2015-07-30 06:45 <nebadon> [AssetService]
2015-07-30 06:45 <nebadon> SRV_AssetServerURI = "${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}"
2015-07-30 06:46 <nebadon> you will need to change this to the proper URL:PORT
2015-07-30 06:46 <Plugh> nebadon: You're up late tonight.
2015-07-30 06:46 <nebadon> and comment this section to I think
2015-07-30 06:46 <nebadon> [HGAssetService]
2015-07-30 06:46 <nebadon> heh ya Im about to try to sleep
2015-07-30 06:46 <nebadon> im usually up around now
2015-07-30 06:47 <Plugh> I'm just checking on a few things. I'm about to head off to bed.
2015-07-30 07:28 <ktec7> diva wifi will not work 
2015-07-30 07:30 <ktec7>  Table 'avirobust.UserAccounts' doesn't exist
2015-07-30 07:30 <ktec7> but it does
2015-07-30 07:38 <ktec7> wifi does not work on ubuntu because the table name diva uses is UserAccounts  but in mysql its useraccounts  it is case sensitive
2015-07-30 07:52 <ktec7> this is very bad that diva has not figured out that in linux table nems are case sensitive
2015-07-30 08:03 <ktec7> i just used fresh copy of robust and it will not work it is looking for tabkes where the name case is wron how to fix
2015-07-30 08:04 <ktec7> ?
2015-07-30 09:41 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-30 10:01 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-30 11:42 <osmantis> Bug #7658:04 Add ossl function osReCompile to rebuild scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7658 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-30 12:50 <osmantis> Bug #7659:04 Support for max-agent-groups login param 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7659 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-07-30 12:54 <osmantis> Bug #7659:04 Support for max-agent-groups login param 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7659 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-07-30 13:56 <osmantis> Bug #7658:04 Add ossl function osReCompile to rebuild scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7658 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-30 14:55 <osmantis> Bug #7660:04 Group Profiles don't show member Online status 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7660 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-07-30 14:55 <osmantis> Bug #7660:04 Group Profiles don't show member Online status 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7660 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-07-30 14:57 <osmantis> Bug #7660:04 Group Profiles don't show member Online status 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7660 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-30 15:03 <osmantis> Bug #7658:04 Add ossl function osReCompile to rebuild scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7658 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-30 17:55 <osmantis> Bug #7661:04 A debug format with the wrong number of arguments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7661 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-07-30 17:57 <osmantis> Bug #7661:04 A debug format with the wrong number of arguments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7661 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-07-30 18:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #4255 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-07-30 18:14 <osmantis> Bug #7661:04 A debug format with the wrong number of arguments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7661 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-07-30 18:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4255: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4255/
2015-07-30 18:14 <osjenkins> Alicia Raven: Fix a typo in my previous changes to robust.ini example files with regards to the FSAssets config.
2015-07-30 18:20 <osmantis> Bug #7591:04 [SCRIPT] llCastray v3 bugs report 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7591 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2015-07-30 19:06 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-30 19:06 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-30 20:24 <Plugh> bbl. I need to relocate so I can get warm.
2015-07-30 20:27 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-30 20:36 <osmantis> Bug #7650:04 Robust.[HG.].ini [AssetsService] FSAssets comment additions needs a few typos corrected and tweaks 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7650 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-30 20:37 <osmantis> Bug #7650:04 Robust.[HG.].ini [AssetsService] FSAssets comment additions needs a few typos corrected and tweaks 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7650 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-07-30 20:47 <osmantis> Bug #7650:04 Robust.[HG.].ini [AssetsService] FSAssets comment additions needs a few typos corrected and tweaks 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7650 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-30 20:47 <osmantis> Bug #7650:04 Robust.[HG.].ini [AssetsService] FSAssets comment additions needs a few typos corrected and tweaks 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7650 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-07-30 21:02 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-30 21:33 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-30 22:01 <osmantis> Bug #7650:04 Robust.[HG.].ini [AssetsService] FSAssets comment additions needs a few typos corrected and tweaks 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7650 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-07-31 00:27 <osmantis> Bug #7662:04 Assets missing and not transferring when hypergriding 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7662 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-07-31 00:29 <osmantis> Bug #7662:04 Assets missing and not transferring when hypergriding 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7662 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-31 02:32 <Plugh> grr... I still can't core groups working in 0.8.1PF
2015-07-31 02:33 <Plugh> Found two settings I hadn't changed for V2 groups. One in Robust and one in OpenSim.ini but still same issue. I get red text on instance startup.
2015-07-31 02:33 <Plugh> 22:32:40 - [Groups.Messaging]: Could not get IGroupsServicesConnector, GroupsMessagingModule is now disabled.
2015-07-31 02:33 <Plugh> 22:32:40 - [Groups]: Could not get IGroupsServicesConnector
2015-07-31 02:35 <Plugh> hm... perhaps its a db perms related issue.
2015-07-31 02:56 <Plugh> Got them at last. Not sure which setting i changed did the trick but its working now. :)
2015-07-31 14:41 <osmantis> Bug #7661:04 A debug format with the wrong number of arguments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7661 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-07-31 14:43 <orenh> A question: in SceneObjectPart, the 'CreationDate' field is apparently set to the first time the prim was ever created
2015-07-31 14:43 <orenh> That could be years in the past
2015-07-31 14:43 <orenh> And that's what's stored in the database, too
2015-07-31 14:43 <orenh> Is this by design? Seems to me that storing the rezzing date there makes more sense
2015-07-31 14:43 <orenh> As it is, now when I rez an old object, its CreationDate is in 2008...
2015-07-31 14:44 <orenh> which makes sorting on the 'prims' table to find new objects impossible
2015-07-31 15:17 <osmantis> Bug #7661:04 A debug format with the wrong number of arguments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7661 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-07-31 15:19 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-31 15:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #4256 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-07-31 15:20 <osmantis> Bug #7398:04 PGSQL module - typecasting issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7398 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-07-31 15:21 <osmantis> Bug #6916:04 [PATCH] Apply folded permissions when an object changes ownership 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6916 ): has been CLOSED
2015-07-31 15:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4256: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4256/
2015-07-31 15:24 <osjenkins> * orenh: Fixed bad log message
2015-07-31 15:24 <osjenkins> * orenh: PGSQL migrations for IM_Store, UserProfiles, removal of casting exception for UserProfiles and adding double precision to PGSQL Manager
2015-07-31 15:24 <osjenkins> * orenh: XMLRPCModule now actually aborts the worker thread when requested
2015-07-31 15:24 <osjenkins> * orenh: Eliminated several warnings
2015-07-31 16:33 <osmantis> Bug #7659:04 Support for max-agent-groups login param 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7659 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-31 16:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #4257 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-07-31 16:35 <osmantis> Bug #7660:04 Group Profiles don't show member Online status 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7660 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-07-31 16:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4257: SUCCESS in 4 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4257/
2015-07-31 16:38 <osjenkins> orenh: Show last online status of group members from the PresenceService in group profiles
2015-07-31 16:40 <osmantis> Bug #7659:04 Support for max-agent-groups login param 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7659 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-07-31 16:45 <osmantis> Bug #7659:04 Support for max-agent-groups login param 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7659 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-31 16:49 <osmantis> Bug #7659:04 Support for max-agent-groups login param 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7659 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-31 17:32 <Plugh> hm... this is odd. I'm shutting down an instance and it reports it is closing SimianGroupsServicesConnector and XmlRpcGroupsServicesConnector. Neither of those should have been set in the first place.
2015-07-31 17:33 <nebadon> I think even if your not using modules they get scanned and loaded still
2015-07-31 17:35 <Plugh> I think you are right. Still, it shouldn't say they are being shutdown if they weren't initialized in the first place.
2015-07-31 18:36 <WanderingNomad> does llemail work cross grid?
2015-07-31 18:38 <nebadon> llemail is outbound only
2015-07-31 18:39 <nebadon> doesnt work the same as Second Life
2015-07-31 18:44 <WanderingNomad> I finished a module for opensim to handle grid wide prim to prim email and it works but did not know if opensim core could do that
2015-07-31 18:45 <nebadon> oh not sure
2015-07-31 18:45 <nebadon> is that something you will share?
2015-07-31 18:46 <WanderingNomad> after cleaning up the code a bit yes
2015-07-31 18:46 <nebadon> nice
2015-07-31 18:51 <Plugh> prim to prim email grid wide is something I can use. I haven't tested it to know for sure if it works or not. It might only work within a region at this time.
2015-07-31 18:52 <AliciaRaven> i will work between regions, but not between sims, thats from looking at code i havnt tested it in practise
2015-07-31 18:52 <AliciaRaven> it will*
2015-07-31 18:53 <Plugh> ok. I need it between OS instances.
2015-07-31 18:55 <WanderingNomad> actual i tested by putting a prim on on region on a sim and went an put the reciver on a region on a diffrent region server and diffrent rac server and it worked
2015-07-31 18:57 <WanderingNomad> arg spelling is off today lol
2015-07-31 18:59 <Plugh> WanderingNomad: It worked with your region module but not before it?
2015-07-31 19:00 <WanderingNomad> not from the test i ran
2015-07-31 19:01 <WanderingNomad> my module replaces the DefaultEmailModule
2015-07-31 19:03 <Plugh> I'm guessing that is a yes to my question. 
2015-07-31 19:03 <WanderingNomad> yes
2015-07-31 19:21 <djphil> WanderingNomad, hi! Yout Email module work on Windows ?
2015-07-31 19:21 <djphil> your*
2015-07-31 19:25 <WanderingNomad> this module will work on *nix and windows it is platform independant
2015-07-31 19:26 <djphil> okay
2015-07-31 19:26 <WanderingNomad> i will begin testing it grid wide today to make sure there are no bugs before i make it public
2015-07-31 19:27 <djphil> It seems difficult or impossible to get an email module for Windows. Already several years I reported a bug in the mantis on him but no one seems interested in solving this problem
2015-07-31 19:28 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6559
2015-07-31 19:28 <AliciaRaven> djphil, i have used the default email module on windows 7 with no problem atall
2015-07-31 19:28 <djphil> :o
2015-07-31 19:28 <djphil> trally :o
2015-07-31 19:29 <djphil> really*
2015-07-31 19:29 <djphil> i getalways "DefaultEmailModule Exception: Unrecognized authentication type"
2015-07-31 19:29 <AliciaRaven> Unrecognized authentication type, sounds like the smtp server is refusing connection
2015-07-31 19:29 <djphil> why ?
2015-07-31 19:30 <djphil> i use email with xampp/php and that work
2015-07-31 19:30 <djphil> but if i use it with opensim (same login/pass/etc...) it don't work
2015-07-31 19:30 <AliciaRaven> im not sure, i need to check what settings i use
2015-07-31 19:31 <djphil> ok, if you can help me with this, I would greatly appreciate
2015-07-31 19:32 <djphil> I expect this since 2013-03-04 7:29 :p
2015-07-31 19:33 <Plugh> djphil: Unrecognized authentication type makes me think that your mail provider requires some sort of login/authentication process not built-in to the default email module.
2015-07-31 19:34 <djphil> Yet when I use my email xampp, where everything works!
2015-07-31 19:34 <Plugh> More and more SMTP servers are requiring login some sort of auth process to help cut down on them being used for spam.
2015-07-31 19:34 <djphil> how can I solve this?
2015-07-31 19:35 <Plugh> djphil: are you using an SMTP server on systems you control?
2015-07-31 19:35 <djphil> yes, xampp use SMTP
2015-07-31 19:36 <AliciaRaven> OS uses DotNetOpenMail and from a quick look on google it does not support SSL, STARTTLS or TLS, i think your server requires one of those encryption protocals that is not supported by DotNetOpenMail
2015-07-31 19:36 <djphil> and i use it in my WinMAil too
2015-07-31 19:36 <djphil> to connect to all my mails box
2015-07-31 19:36 <Plugh> ok. One option is to configure the mail server to accept any mail originated from servers that are used to run your grid but require authentication from all other sources.
2015-07-31 19:37 <Plugh> IIRC, this issue was discussed a long time ago.
2015-07-31 19:38 <Plugh> hm... The SMTP section does have entries for login and password.
2015-07-31 19:39 <djphil> yes it have (in opensim.ini
2015-07-31 19:39 <Plugh> djphil: Have you tried to telnet to the SMTP port you have specified in [SMTP] of OpenSim.ini and see what prompts you get and if it recognizes the user id and password you specified in the ini file?
2015-07-31 19:40 <AliciaRaven> yes, it supports sending passwords to connect, just not the extra encrypted connection methods
2015-07-31 19:40 <Plugh> Alicia, right. That is the other issue that had been mentioned before. The need for SSL/STARTTLS/TLS by some SMTP servers and no support for that.
2015-07-31 19:40 <djphil> no I have not tried to do that, I do not know how I should do it
2015-07-31 19:41 <Plugh> djphil: What port is your smtp server listening on?
2015-07-31 19:41 <djphil> 25
2015-07-31 19:42 <Plugh> djphil: If you have a telnet client just use it to connect to port 25. Under Linux it would be "telnet smpt-host-machine-name-or-ip 25"
2015-07-31 19:42 <Plugh> fill in the middle bit with the IP or name of the machine running the SMTP server.
2015-07-31 19:42 <djphil> i don't have telnet client
2015-07-31 19:42 <Plugh> If you are on Windows you can get Putty.
2015-07-31 19:42 <djphil> i that i have
2015-07-31 19:43 <Plugh> I use Putty for SSH but I believe it still supports standard telnet.
2015-07-31 19:43 <djphil> don't know
2015-07-31 19:43 <djphil> i use it too for ssh nut never for tenet
2015-07-31 19:44 <Plugh> I'm not sure I have access to a windows box right now to check Putty.
2015-07-31 19:44 <djphil> kk my putty is started
2015-07-31 19:44 <Plugh> Telnet is normally port 22 so you just say 25
2015-07-31 19:45 <djphil> putty say me "relay.skynet.be ESMTP"
2015-07-31 19:45 <djphil> that all
2015-07-31 19:45 <djphil> 220*
2015-07-31 19:46 <djphil> 220 is maybee a error code ...
2015-07-31 19:46 <Plugh> status code
2015-07-31 19:47 <djphil> thhis is invalid command : telnet relay.skynet.be 25
2015-07-31 19:48 <Plugh> The important part here is "ESMTP".
2015-07-31 19:49 <Plugh> WanderingNomad: Save me some time digging around. Where is the default email module source located in the tree?
2015-07-31 19:49 <AliciaRaven> under scripting modules
2015-07-31 19:50 <Plugh> ok, think I found it.
2015-07-31 19:51 <WanderingNomad> ok
2015-07-31 19:53 <Plugh> The module is using SmtpServer. That must be defined in DotNetOpenMail. I'll have to go digging for info on that.
2015-07-31 19:54 <djphil> kk
2015-07-31 19:56 <Plugh> hm... dotnetopenmail seems old. Page I'm looking at indicates it is from 2006-05-25
2015-07-31 19:58 <Plugh> I think DotNetOpenMail is in need of being updated.
2015-07-31 19:58 <djphil> kk, here i have installed Win7 Client/Server Telnet and try to pink my mail provider
2015-07-31 19:58 <djphil> with:
2015-07-31 19:58 <djphil> pkgmgr /iu:TelnetClient
2015-07-31 19:58 <djphil> pkgmgr /iu:TelnetServer
2015-07-31 19:59 <djphil> and fanelly
2015-07-31 19:59 <djphil> telnet ftp.free.fr 21
2015-07-31 19:59 <djphil> and it return same message
2015-07-31 19:59 <djphil> "220 relay.skynet.be ESMTP"
2015-07-31 19:59 <djphil> that all
2015-07-31 19:59 <AliciaRaven> that is the HELO message, it means connected ok ready for command
2015-07-31 20:00 <djphil> but from what I see on Google, this seems normal message
2015-07-31 20:00 <AliciaRaven> it is
2015-07-31 20:00 <djphil> YEah is the "Hello" message :)
2015-07-31 20:00 <Plugh> At that point you are supposed to identify your self. Normally you would type HELO and your system/domain name but it is ESMTP so you need to use EHLO instead of HELO.
2015-07-31 20:00 <Plugh> You could try "HELP" but that command is usually disabled on most mail servers.
2015-07-31 20:01 <djphil> ok so I can consider my SMTP here is correct ... and therefore it is a problem with OpenSim Mail Module
2015-07-31 20:01 <Plugh> yea, it appears to be using a very outdated mail module.
2015-07-31 20:01 <djphil> yes from what you said earlier ... 2006 is already 10 years
2015-07-31 20:02 <djphil> ... or 9 ^^
2015-07-31 20:02 <AliciaRaven> missing feature, your mail server has high security and requires additional encyrption that isnt supported by openmail
2015-07-31 20:03 <djphil> Xampp encrypt my mails ?
2015-07-31 20:03 <Plugh> This page has some information that is old but more recent than that DotNet mail thing and appears interesting -> https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/e9e1825a-71a8-487e-9e81-d9c873225e59/smtpclient-esmtp-authentication-and-tls-encryption
2015-07-31 20:03 <djphil> i ask because i can use my Xampp SMTP withjout problems ..
2015-07-31 20:03 <AliciaRaven> if sending to that server it must support it
2015-07-31 20:04 <Plugh> There may be something in .NET that can handle sending of mail.
2015-07-31 20:04 <djphil> mom TEL
2015-07-31 20:04 <djphil> brb 10'
2015-07-31 20:11 <djphil> back
2015-07-31 20:14 <Plugh> xampp is probably just using basic SMTP without any required auth.
2015-07-31 20:14 <djphil> it seam yes
2015-07-31 20:15 <djphil> because i don't have any login/pass in php.ini
2015-07-31 20:15 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-07-31 20:19 <osmantis> Bug #7663:04 osKey2Name returns an String.Empty then the UUID is from a HG user. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7663 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-07-31 20:33 <djphil> So what can I do here for the opensim email module works ?
2015-07-31 20:34 <djphil> I expect that silk updated?
2015-07-31 20:36 <Plugh> I hate that stupid mantis. I just typed up long note for it. It report invalid security token and when I hit the back to try again it wiped out everything I had typed.
2015-07-31 20:37 <djphil> This has happened to me too :p
2015-07-31 20:37 <Plugh> I should have copied it before I hit submit.
2015-07-31 20:37 <Plugh> I always get caught by that stupid mantis system.
2015-07-31 20:38 <Plugh> I'm not going to retype the whole thing so you will just get a much abbreviated version of my comments.
2015-07-31 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #6559:04 [EMAIL] DefaultEmailModule Exception Unrecognized authentication type 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6559 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-07-31 20:50 <djphil> Ok, then let's patient, hoping that someone will this Email Module updated shortly. In any case, thank you to you for your support Plug
2015-07-31 20:50 <Plugh> yw
2015-07-31 20:51 <Plugh> geeze... an hour before dinner already.
2015-07-31 20:52 <djphil> enjoy your meal :)
2015-07-31 20:53 <dahlia> dinner? o.0
2015-07-31 22:16 <djphil> i search infos abour Region Table ... "Flags" column
2015-07-31 22:16 <djphil> i found this page http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Regions_(database_table)
2015-07-31 22:16 <djphil> but "Flags" infos are missing on it
2015-07-31 22:17 <djphil> where i can get infos about "Flags" pease ?
2015-07-31 22:17 <djphil> please*
2015-07-31 22:28 <djphil> "access" is missing too
2015-07-31 22:32 <osmantis> Bug #7663:04 osKey2Name returns an String.Empty then the UUID is from a HG user. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7663 ): has been ASSIGNED.
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2015-07-31 22:55 <Plugh> What is the situation with avatar baking in 0.8.1? Is server side baking now required? I log in and get lots of "Missing baked texture UUID (#) for Avatar Name, requesting rebake."
2015-07-31 23:01 <nebadon> I would suggest setting up xbakes Plugh if you have not
2015-07-31 23:01 <nebadon> it will increase performance
2015-07-31 23:01 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-07-31 23:02 <Plugh> Right now it appears that if I don't, my avatars won't get textured.
2015-07-31 23:02 <nebadon> it should work without xbakes
2015-07-31 23:02 <nebadon> it just means everytime you teleport you rebake
2015-07-31 23:02 <Plugh> I thought SSB was optional but I didn't follow the information about its use that closely.
2015-07-31 23:02 <nebadon> its not SSB
2015-07-31 23:02 <nebadon> the client still does the baking
2015-07-31 23:02 <nebadon> its just that bake gets stored centrally
2015-07-31 23:02 <nebadon> so every region can access it
2015-07-31 23:03 <nebadon> makes teleporting way less stress on the region
2015-07-31 23:05 <Plugh> ok. Sounds good. Odd that it doesn't seem to work as before unless there was something else I forgot to keep baking working as before.]
2015-07-31 23:11 <Plugh> a central bakes dir sounds like something that could get big on a busy grid. Is it cleared out automatically from time to time?
2015-07-31 23:12 <nebadon> it doesnt require much space
2015-07-31 23:12 <nebadon> the bakes are small
2015-07-31 23:12 <Plugh> ok
2015-07-31 23:12 <dahlia> I think what SL does is hash the wearables that made each bake so they can be shared among avatars
2015-07-31 23:13 <dahlia> so like if you and I borh have the same head tatoo layers, we get the same baked textures
2015-07-31 23:13 <dahlia> *both
2015-07-31 23:14 <dahlia> as such they probably are good candidates for normal assets
2015-07-31 23:18 <Plugh> I still got some of those missing baked texture messages but I also saw a couple of Xbakes stored # textures messages.
2015-07-31 23:33 <Plugh> Xbakes says it stored 5 textures for my avatar then I see 5 missing bad texture messages.
2015-07-31 23:33 <Plugh> My avatar turns white.
2015-07-31 23:33 <Plugh> I uncommented an Xbases line in Robust and in the instance ini
2015-07-31 23:37 <Plugh> As soon as I go to edit appearance I see me as I should look but it doesn't last long after I exit edit mode.
2015-07-31 23:39 <Plugh> The only difference between Xbakes on and off is my avatar being white instead of gray.
2015-07-31 23:56 <nebadon> it kind of sounds like maybe some bad assets
2015-07-31 23:56 <nebadon> maybe try making a new appearance
2015-07-31 23:56 <nebadon> just as a test
2015-07-31 23:56 <nebadon> also make sure you have on the full set of basics
2015-07-31 23:57 <nebadon> not missing eyes or something
2015-07-31 23:57 <nebadon> you cant bake unless you have all the body parts attached
2015-08-01 02:20 <Plugh> nebadon: It isn't just my avatar that has the problem.
2015-08-01 03:06 <Plugh> So far, 4 avatars have the same problem.
2015-08-01 03:23 <Plugh> Seems some textures on some items in the region are also missing textures. Must have been some kind of database corruption.
2015-08-01 03:24 <Plugh> Don't know why only textures appear to be affected.
2015-08-01 03:25 <Plugh> Other odd thing is that the problem is being seen in two totally separate grids.
2015-08-01 08:01 <ice2642> hello ppl
2015-08-01 08:01 <dahlia> hello
2015-08-01 09:38 <osmantis> Bug #7664:04 r/26112 Change to make TryLinkRegionToCoords method private rather than public affects WiFi Addon Module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7664 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-01 09:41 <osmantis> Bug #7664:04 r/26112 Change to make TryLinkRegionToCoords method private rather than public affects WiFi Addon Module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7664 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-08-01 15:53 <nebadon> dahlia > http://reshade.me
2015-08-01 16:30 <misterblue> there is no reshade for SL :)
2015-08-01 16:30 <dan_banner> you can add it
2015-08-01 16:30 <nebadon> it sort of works
2015-08-01 16:31 <nebadon> it seems like most of the shaders really mess the colors up though
2015-08-01 16:31 <nebadon> red turns blue etc..
2015-08-01 16:31 <nebadon> but maybe doing something wrong
2015-08-01 16:31 <nebadon> I only played with it for about 20 minutes so far :)
2015-08-01 16:31 <nebadon> some of them are awesome
2015-08-01 16:31 <nebadon> like Fish Eye
2015-08-01 16:32 <osmantis> Bug #7664:04 r/26112 Change to make TryLinkRegionToCoords method private rather than public affects WiFi Addon Module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7664 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-01 16:32 <nebadon> and there is like an old film one too
2015-08-01 16:32 <dan_banner> pixelart was trippy
2015-08-01 16:32 <nebadon> ya ascii was awesome too
2015-08-01 16:32 <nebadon> it says you can make your own shaders for it too
2015-08-01 16:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #4258 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-01 16:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4258: SUCCESS in 9 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4258/
2015-08-01 16:41 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7664: Added IHypergridLinker interface to establish a contract about what implementers need to provide publicly. This is used by 3rd-party addons such as Wifi.
2015-08-01 17:53 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-01 17:57 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-01 18:31 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-01 18:36 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-01 18:38 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-01 18:40 <WanderingNomad> Yesterday i was asked if my new email module will allow communications from a prim in one grid to talk to a prim in a nother grid. as of this mornig i have added in this feature. my module now does grid routing from prim LLEmail
2015-08-01 18:45 <osmantis> Bug #7665:04 Wrong grid url in aseets is not auto corrected. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7665 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-01 18:45 <nebadon> awesome WanderingNomad
2015-08-01 18:46 <nebadon> you can host your module here if you want when you are ready http://forge.opensimulator.org
2015-08-01 18:46 <WanderingNomad> I will still working on a way of streamlining the grid routing system
2015-08-01 18:47 <WanderingNomad> seems the only way for this to work is to keep track of what grids will use for there internal hostname ex lsl.opensim.local 
2015-08-01 19:44 <WanderingNomad> on a grid running sras is there anyreason why xbake would fail? does xbake need to be the url of the sras server?
2015-08-01 19:58 <dahlia> nebadon: looks like fun. Note you can already edit the shader text in most LL-based viewers though.
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2015-08-01 21:13 <smxy> Well, nebadon, after a week of having 1 NPC continuously TPing around a region continuously, and 10 pCampBots TPing back and forth between that region and another, every 30 seconds, continuously, they finally triggered whatever it is that I've been chasing for a couple of years now, as every TP pad in both regions is no longer registering collisions.
2015-08-01 21:14 <smxy> But there's nothing in the log as to why. They just stopped TPing and when I bump into one of the pads, nothing happens.
2015-08-01 21:15 <smxy> I think I need to have them do it again, but with physics logging on this time.
2015-08-01 21:15 <JeffKelley> smxy : i can trigger that condition too, without NPCs, but it takes days
2015-08-01 21:15 <smxy> I had them start on the 19th and they stopped on the 26th.
2015-08-01 21:16 <smxy> I wonder if there's any other logging I should turn on, besides physics.
2015-08-01 21:25 <WanderingNomad> error in opensim sim 8.1.1
2015-08-01 21:25 <WanderingNomad> 22:22:53 - [WEB FETCH INV DESC HANDLER]: Could not get contents of multiple fold
2015-08-01 21:25 <WanderingNomad> ers for user e394da20-db85-4088-ad5a-4e435db60bee
2015-08-01 21:25 <WanderingNomad> 22:22:53 - [WEB FETCH INV DESC HANDLER]: Multiple folder fetch failed. Trying ol
2015-08-01 21:25 <WanderingNomad> d protocol.
2015-08-01 21:27 <WanderingNomad> this is a new error
2015-08-01 21:27 <diva> you must have inconsistencies between the regions and the robust versions
2015-08-01 21:27 <diva> 0.8.1.1 doesn't have the inventory fixes
2015-08-01 21:27 <WanderingNomad> im using robust 8.1
2015-08-01 21:28 <WanderingNomad> on opensim site it says opensim 0.8.1.1 but the viewer and opensim report 8.8.2
2015-08-01 21:28 <WanderingNomad> 0.8.2*
2015-08-01 21:29 <diva> how did you install it?
2015-08-01 21:30 <diva> ugh hold on
2015-08-01 21:30 <diva> I packaged the wrong brnach.
2015-08-01 21:30 <WanderingNomad> does 0.8.2 have the fixes?
2015-08-01 21:31 <diva> yes
2015-08-01 21:32 <WanderingNomad> does robust need to match versions
2015-08-01 21:33 <diva> yes
2015-08-01 21:35 <WanderingNomad> ok guse i have to ugrade tha lol all this to solve everyone being cloud
2015-08-01 21:35 <JeffKelley> 
ACTION was writing "0.8.1.1 is out, and why it is important to upgrade", thinks he will hold it a moment :)

2015-08-01 21:35 <diva> yeah, just hold on a bit... ugh
2015-08-01 21:36 <smxy> New release managers. Sheesh. :p
2015-08-01 21:36 <smxy> <ducks>
2015-08-01 21:41 <diva> I hope these tarballs arent being cached anywhere on the net
2015-08-01 21:41 <nebadon> i doubt it
2015-08-01 21:41 <diva> I'm uploading new ones with the same names
2015-08-01 21:41 <smxy> People will manage. Sh*t happens.
2015-08-01 21:50 <JeffKelley> 260M tarball ?
2015-08-01 21:51 <diva> weird
2015-08-01 21:51 <diva> not sure why they're so big
2015-08-01 21:51 <diva> I wonder what else justin removed from them
2015-08-01 21:51 <smxy> Untar an older one and compare?
2015-08-01 21:55 <Plugh> I wonder if that reshade me uses a syntax for shaders that is similar to Renderman
2015-08-01 21:56 <diva> geez. it's the .git folder
2015-08-01 21:57 <diva> I'll have to repackage again
2015-08-01 21:57 <smxy> whoops
2015-08-01 21:57 <diva> it's 232M that monster
2015-08-01 21:57 <smxy> Well, a least your next release should go smoother, now that you've slogged through this one. :)
2015-08-01 22:08 <diva> ok, I'm uploading new ones with a more reasonable size. I'm sure I'm not deleting as much as justin used to. I'll have to ask for his scripts
2015-08-01 22:14 <smxy> I looked at the size of the bin dirs I build. They were 43-45 MB until the last one I built on June 17th and it was 179 MB. Hmm.
2015-08-01 22:16 <nebadon> is you asset cache being put in bin perhaps?
2015-08-01 22:16 <nebadon> kind of what it sounds like maybe
2015-08-01 22:16 <smxy> No, it was the pCampBot.log :)
2015-08-01 22:16 <nebadon> ahh
2015-08-01 22:17 <smxy> Without it, it's 43 MB
2015-08-01 22:17 <nebadon> ya logs too didnt think of that
2015-08-01 22:17 <WanderingNomad> mautil does not seem to work im trying to add diva repo but nothing happens
2015-08-01 22:17 <nebadon> is there a log in the core repo?
2015-08-01 22:17 <nebadon> or one you generated?
2015-08-01 22:17 <smxy> No, I ran 10 bots for a week. :)
2015-08-01 22:17 <smxy> I generated it.
2015-08-01 22:18 <nebadon> ah ok
2015-08-01 22:19 <smxy> They did hundreds of thousands of TPs the entire week. Made for a big log
2015-08-01 22:19 <nebadon> yea I bet
2015-08-01 22:21 <smxy> About to turn them loose again, but with physics logging on this time. A week of that should be gigantic.
2015-08-01 22:21 <misterblue> smxy... hope you find something
2015-08-01 22:22 <smxy> Well, when it next triggers, you'll have to tell me what to look for.
2015-08-01 22:22 <misterblue> I'm personally suspicous of the long trail into the script engine to record colisions...
2015-08-01 22:22 <smxy> Is there any logging in that path I can turn on?
2015-08-01 22:23 <nebadon> maybe do a kill -3 <pid>
2015-08-01 22:23 <misterblue> ... the physics engine is called to step and, for collisions, there is a callback so the thread returns to OpenSim and then calls the script engine before going back into the physics engine
2015-08-01 22:23 <nebadon> capture the thread dump
2015-08-01 22:23 <misterblue> it seems a long path that could easily have race conditions added to it without anyone knowing what they did
2015-08-01 22:24 <JeffKelley> Region (dada) # show info
2015-08-01 22:24 <JeffKelley> Version: OpenSim 0.8.1.0 Post_Fixes        (interface version 7)
2015-08-01 22:24 <smxy> misterblue: Is there any logging in that path I can turn on? Aside from physics logging, that is.
2015-08-01 22:27 <smxy> Justin had me turn on script logging once, when we were trying to track this, but it didn't show anything. It just stopped saying it got the collision events.
2015-08-01 22:27 <JeffKelley> if I remember well, releases had Opensim.ini and things in config-include de-examplified, with Include-Architecture = "config-include/Standalone.ini" uncommented such the thing can start out-of-the-box
2015-08-01 22:33 <diva> that's just not going to happen any time soon, unless justincc shared his release scripts
2015-08-01 22:35 <JeffKelley> not a big deal to old-timers
2015-08-01 22:35 <nebadon> maybe his scripts are in his home folder on the server
2015-08-01 22:36 <diva> they aren't
2015-08-01 22:36 <diva> I looked in his github too
2015-08-01 22:36 <diva> I sent him an email
2015-08-01 22:37 <nebadon> k
2015-08-01 23:08 <diva> can someone send me an iar with one of these bad assets?
2015-08-01 23:09 <JeffKelley> on OAR will do ?
2015-08-01 23:10 <diva> sure. but an iar would be more focused. I don't want to have to look through a haystack when I debug this. I would like to have exactly 1 bad asset
2015-08-01 23:11 <JeffKelley> I have a region with one corrupt prim
2015-08-01 23:11 <diva> and nothing else on it?
2015-08-01 23:11 <JeffKelley> nothing
2015-08-01 23:13 <diva> ok, that will do. Please add it to the mantis with a scary name like BADASSET.oar
2015-08-01 23:13 <JeffKelley> why not just grab it at http://ignis-fatuus.no-ip.biz/admin/tmp/Ulrik.oar
2015-08-01 23:42 <smxy> If you add it to the mantis, it'll be there for posterity, and for anyone else that needs/wants to review it.
2015-08-01 23:51 <JeffKelley> you should not take this oar as a base for work since it is just a sample ; only scanning a large db for invalid xml can give you a picture of what's hapenning ; most corruptions are first-order (xmlns:xmlns:) but I've seen second-order (xmlns:xmlns:xmlns:) and you should anticipate higher order
2015-08-01 23:52 <diva> omg seriously?
2015-08-01 23:52 <diva> more than 2?
2015-08-01 23:52 <JeffKelley> yes
2015-08-02 00:11 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-02 00:38 <smxy> Is this caused by a bug in mono or opensim on mono?
2015-08-02 00:49 <diva> opensim on mono
2015-08-02 01:04 <diva> ok, well I seem to have made a fix, at least for stopping the infection
2015-08-02 01:25 <smxy> That's good news, diva. Thanks.
2015-08-02 01:28 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-02 01:44 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-02 01:46 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007514.
2015-08-02 01:46 <osmantis> Bug #7514:04 Can't rez items from OSGrid on my own grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7514 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007657.
2015-08-02 01:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #4259 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-02 01:59 <nebadon> so diva this wont effect fsassets?
2015-08-02 01:59 <diva> what's fsassets?
2015-08-02 01:59 <nebadon> melanies new asset service in core
2015-08-02 01:59 <nebadon> that osgrid runs now
2015-08-02 01:59 <diva> where?
2015-08-02 02:00 <nebadon> AliciaRaven ported it from melanies github
2015-08-02 02:00 <nebadon> melanie released it as a module
2015-08-02 02:00 <nebadon> and she Ported it to core
2015-08-02 02:00 <diva> where's the code? If I know where it is, I can try to see what's there
2015-08-02 02:00 <nebadon> Melanie_ or AliciaRaven are you here?
2015-08-02 02:01 <diva> I found it
2015-08-02 02:01 <Melanie_> yup
2015-08-02 02:01 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=db62e1ac3c8eda228d7d4d387ef319543962f253
2015-08-02 02:01 <nebadon> oh ok
2015-08-02 02:01 <diva> what's the deal with fsassets? What does it do that the other one doesn't?
2015-08-02 02:01 <nebadon> and Melanie_ i assume OSgrid isnt actually running core?
2015-08-02 02:01 <nebadon> it works just like sras
2015-08-02 02:02 <nebadon> blobs on disk
2015-08-02 02:02 <Melanie_> deduplication, file system storage
2015-08-02 02:02 <nebadon> dedupe
2015-08-02 02:02 <diva> so no DB?
2015-08-02 02:02 <nebadon> there is but no blobs
2015-08-02 02:02 <nebadon> just uuids and hashes
2015-08-02 02:02 <Melanie_> nebadon: no, osg is running a special fsassets version that i modded to access the sras2 data natively
2015-08-02 02:02 <nebadon> ok what about this fix
2015-08-02 02:02 <nebadon> its kind of important
2015-08-02 02:02 <diva> I'll look at this after dnner
2015-08-02 02:02 <Melanie_> the mods i made to fsassets to access sras are trivial
2015-08-02 02:03 <Melanie_> it's more or less just the HashToFile function
2015-08-02 02:03 <Melanie_> which OSG will have to keep it's own version of forever
2015-08-02 02:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4259: SUCCESS in 4 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4259/
2015-08-02 02:03 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7657 and #7514. This should alleviate the problem of bad object assets being passed around via HG and archives. No guarantees that all the leaks have been found, but at least it detects and fixes these bad assets upon:
2015-08-02 02:03 <Melanie_> because reorganizing all that data isn't feasible
2015-08-02 02:03 <nebadon> right
2015-08-02 02:03 <nebadon> can you apply this fix to our code?
2015-08-02 02:04 <Melanie_> not just now
2015-08-02 02:04 <Melanie_> as i'm pretty much heding for bed
2015-08-02 02:04 <nebadon> oh no of course not right now :)
2015-08-02 02:04 <Melanie_> but generally, should not be an issue
2015-08-02 02:04 <Melanie_> and if diva applies it to core fsassets
2015-08-02 02:04 <Melanie_> then even easier
2015-08-02 02:04 <nebadon> ok cool
2015-08-02 02:05 <nebadon> ya
2015-08-02 02:05 <Melanie_> as converting the osg build tree to the core version and adapting that is on the menu anyway
2015-08-02 02:05 <nebadon> nice
2015-08-02 02:05 <Melanie_> for maintainability reasons
2015-08-02 02:05 <nebadon> right
2015-08-02 02:05 <nebadon> makes sense
2015-08-02 02:08 <Melanie_> also I will be writing a fix for chicken bines
2015-08-02 02:08 <Melanie_> bones
2015-08-02 02:08 <Melanie_> they just happen entirely too often with osg data
2015-08-02 02:09 <nebadon> yea
2015-08-02 02:09 <Melanie_> i guess that will become part of the private osg atch, too
2015-08-02 02:09 <Melanie_> since no one else will have to deal with a hd from a data recovery service
2015-08-02 02:40 <Plugh> chicken bones?
2015-08-02 02:51 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-02 02:53 <nebadon> chicken bones are what we call a issue we have on osgrid
2015-08-02 02:53 <nebadon> malformed assets make fsassets choke
2015-08-02 02:53 <nebadon> due to the crash and migration
2015-08-02 02:57 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-02 03:25 <diva> so who's using fsassets that's in core?
2015-08-02 03:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #4260 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-02 03:29 <diva> nebadon: who's using fsassets that's in core?
2015-08-02 03:30 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-02 03:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4260: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4260/
2015-08-02 03:32 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7657: similar fixes for FSAssets.
2015-08-02 03:37 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-02 04:04 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-02 04:06 <nebadon> AliciaRaven is I beleive
2015-08-02 04:06 <nebadon> I think several people have been testing it
2015-08-02 04:06 <nebadon> its very new
2015-08-02 04:06 <nebadon> Melanie wants to switch OSgrid to core soon diva
2015-08-02 04:07 <diva> ok, cos that needs an HG FSAssets service to go with it
2015-08-02 04:07 <nebadon> oh hrmm I thought it was working with HG
2015-08-02 04:07 <nebadon> OSgrid works with HG it seems
2015-08-02 04:07 <diva> yeah because osgrid doesn't have any protection
2015-08-02 04:07 <nebadon> oh gotcha
2015-08-02 04:08 <diva> but most other grids have a separate interface for exchanging assets via HG
2015-08-02 04:08 <nebadon> might be something Alicia is interested in doing, not sure, I know melanie has yet to embrace HG fully still
2015-08-02 04:11 <smxy> A modern-day Luddite. :)
2015-08-02 04:14 <AliciaRaven> hiya
2015-08-02 04:15 <AliciaRaven> i think the hg assets will work with fs assets because it inherits from the same interface diva
2015-08-02 04:16 <diva> it has the same interface but it inherits from the regular AssetService
2015-08-02 04:16 <diva> we;ll need to do another one that inherits from FSAssets
2015-08-02 04:17 <diva> they are wrappers that only do a few simple things on top of whatever it is the asset services do
2015-08-02 04:17 <AliciaRaven> when i hg to my grid using another grid avatar, i cant see any problems, what should i look for?
2015-08-02 04:18 <diva> it depends on how you have your grid configured
2015-08-02 04:18 <diva> do you have the HGAssetService on?
2015-08-02 04:18 <diva> or do you expose your regular asset server to the outside world?
2015-08-02 04:19 <AliciaRaven> i use hgassets, or i hope it is
2015-08-02 04:19 <AliciaRaven> i will check
2015-08-02 04:19 <diva> what do yo have in [LoginService] ?
2015-08-02 04:20 <diva> anyway, coming from the outside, you'll have problems with assets coming into your grid, if you are using fsassets internally and HG Assets externally
2015-08-02 04:20 <diva> beause they don't share the store
2015-08-02 04:20 <diva> but again, it really depends on how you have things configured
2015-08-02 04:21 <diva> I saw some fallback service in FSAssets, not sure what that is supposed to be
2015-08-02 04:21 <AliciaRaven> that pulls assets from the old system if it cant find it
2015-08-02 04:21 <diva> ah there you go
2015-08-02 04:21 <diva> so yes that will work
2015-08-02 04:22 <diva> but that will require you to have both for the rest of the time, because the incoming assets are going to the old one, not the new one
2015-08-02 04:22 <AliciaRaven> but thats the old service running under fsassets
2015-08-02 04:23 <diva> it also runs in HGAssets
2015-08-02 04:23 <diva> what you call "the old service" is also the HG Asset service; they're 2 instances using the same MySql DB
2015-08-02 04:24 <AliciaRaven> i have HGAssetServiceConnector set in service list, and loginservice points to that address
2015-08-02 04:24 <diva> yes, that's the regular configuration
2015-08-02 04:24 <AliciaRaven> so i guess if i had deleted the old db table id be having problems
2015-08-02 04:24 <diva> you can continue to do this, just be aware that you'll never be able to let go of the "old" assets table, because the incoming HG assets are being placed there
2015-08-02 04:25 <diva> yup
2015-08-02 04:25 <diva> the best is to write an HG wrapper for the FSAssets service; it's trivial
2015-08-02 04:25 <Ken_S_> Just saw a red console error message on restart that I dont recall ever seeing before.
2015-08-02 04:26 <Ken_S_> [AGENT PREFERENCES CONNECTOR]: AgentPreferencesService missing from OpenSim.ini
2015-08-02 04:26 <Ken_S_> There is no mention of this section in the ini file anywhere that I can find.
2015-08-02 04:27 <AliciaRaven> k i will do that then, been abit busy the last few days so not sure how long it will take tho
2015-08-02 04:27 <AliciaRaven> AgentPreferencesService is a recent thing
2015-08-02 04:28 <AliciaRaven> robust requires the following adding to the service list..
2015-08-02 04:28 <AliciaRaven> AgentPreferencesServiceConnector = "8003/OpenSim.Server.Handlers.dll:AgentPreferencesServiceConnector"
2015-08-02 04:28 <Ken_S_> What needs to be done to make it happy?
2015-08-02 04:28 <Ken_S_> OK great!
2015-08-02 04:28 <AliciaRaven> and..
2015-08-02 04:28 <AliciaRaven> [AgentPreferencesService]
2015-08-02 04:28 <AliciaRaven> LocalServiceModule = "OpenSim.Services.UserAccountService.dll:AgentPreferencesService"
2015-08-02 04:28 <Ken_S_> Hmmm this was on osgrid though
2015-08-02 04:29 <Ken_S_> Do it has to be added to Robust.ini?
2015-08-02 04:29 <Ken_S_> *So
2015-08-02 04:29 <AliciaRaven> ah region side, let me check that file
2015-08-02 04:29 <nebadon> did you update your ini Ken_S_?
2015-08-02 04:30 <Ken_S_> The ini example files dont have this, nor in the default ini
2015-08-02 04:30 <Ken_S_> Not that I can find
2015-08-02 04:30 <AliciaRaven> i think it was the section for god names?
2015-08-02 04:30 <AliciaRaven> that calls agent prefs
2015-08-02 04:31 <Ken_S_> I'll double check it again...
2015-08-02 04:31 <Ken_S_> This is in opensim.ini?
2015-08-02 04:31 <nebadon> no I think maybe change to GridCommon.ini
2015-08-02 04:31 <Ken_S_> Ohhh OK
2015-08-02 04:31 <AliciaRaven> no neb is right...
2015-08-02 04:31 <Ken_S_> Need to check there
2015-08-02 04:31 <Ken_S_> Thanks
2015-08-02 04:32 <AliciaRaven> [AgentPreferencesService]
2015-08-02 04:32 <AliciaRaven> AgentPreferencesServerURI = "http://IP:8003"
2015-08-02 04:32 <nebadon> http://download.osgrid.org/GridCommon.ini.txt
2015-08-02 04:32 <Ken_S_> Its rare for changes to be in that file, so I missed it
2015-08-02 04:36 <nebadon> yea
2015-08-02 04:37 <Ken_S_> Nebadon, so a coresponding change needs to be added to robust.ini if running robust?
2015-08-02 04:38 <nebadon> yes
2015-08-02 04:38 <Ken_S_> [21:28] <AliciaRaven> AgentPreferencesServiceConnector = "8003/OpenSim.Server.Handlers.dll:AgentPreferencesServiceConnector"
2015-08-02 04:38 <Ken_S_> k
2015-08-02 04:38 <nebadon> dont recall it off top of my head
2015-08-02 04:38 <nebadon> yea
2015-08-02 04:38 <nebadon> that
2015-08-02 05:11 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-02 05:36 <osmantis> Bug #7664:04 r/26112 Change to make TryLinkRegionToCoords method private rather than public affects WiFi Addon Module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7664 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-02 07:21 <osmantis> Bug #7659:04 Support for max-agent-groups login param 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7659 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2015-08-02 07:22 <osmantis> Bug #7643:04 Only one record is inserted in the im_offline table - EVER - this record is being constantly overwritten. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-02 08:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #4261 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-02 08:37 <osmantis> Bug #7663:04 osKey2Name returns an String.Empty then the UUID is from a HG user. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7663 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-02 08:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4261: SUCCESS in 5 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4261/
2015-08-02 08:41 <osjenkins> orenh: osKey2Name returns now correct values for HG users who are not on the region.
2015-08-02 08:45 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-02 09:34 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-02 10:36 <osmantis> Bug #7666:04 PostgreSQL:  column "LastSeen" of relation "presence" does not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7666 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-02 10:36 <osmantis> Bug #7666:04 PostgreSQL:  column "LastSeen" of relation "presence" does not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7666 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-08-02 10:52 <osmantis> Bug #7666:04 PostgreSQL:  column "LastSeen" of relation "presence" does not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7666 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-02 11:20 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-02 12:56 <Fearghus> hi all. While starting my robust i get an error during the loading AgentPreferencesServiceConnector, it complains it can't load the file Opensim.Services.UserAccountService.dll and after that still sayd the AgenPreferencesServiceConnector loaded successfully. It appears i have this since I updated to latest with a git pull.  Anybody have an idea how to fix this?
2015-08-02 12:56 <Fearghus> The dll does exist
2015-08-02 13:03 <AliciaRaven> Fearghus, there is a new adition you have to add to your robust ini, check the ini example for the entry for AgentPreferencesService
2015-08-02 13:04 <Fearghus> will double check again...but i think i get the error since i added that
2015-08-02 13:04 <AliciaRaven> also regions will need aditions to grid common ini, also in the example, search for AgentPreferencesService
2015-08-02 13:05 <AliciaRaven> robust requires the following adding to the service list..
2015-08-02 13:05 <AliciaRaven> AgentPreferencesServiceConnector = "8003/OpenSim.Server.Handlers.dll:AgentPreferencesServiceConnector"
2015-08-02 13:05 <Fearghus> there i added it too, regions start without error
2015-08-02 13:05 <AliciaRaven> and..
2015-08-02 13:05 <AliciaRaven> [AgentPreferencesService]
2015-08-02 13:05 <AliciaRaven> LocalServiceModule = "OpenSim.Services.UserAccountService.dll:AgentPreferencesService"
2015-08-02 13:05 <Fearghus> ok will double check my robust.ini
2015-08-02 13:05 <Fearghus> thanks
2015-08-02 13:05 <AliciaRaven> np
2015-08-02 13:06 <AliciaRaven> good luck, gotta go afk for awhile now
2015-08-02 13:15 <Fearghus> ...grumble......I had Opensim.Server..... instead of OpenSim.Server......sheesh
2015-08-02 13:22 <Fearghus> thanks again Alicia, no more warnings now :)
2015-08-02 13:24 <smxy> I would gently remind folks that *every time you update*, you need to diff all your old config files against the new ones and update them accordingly. If you do the comparison and the updating via something like WinMerge (free) or BeyondCompare (not free, but excellent), then you don't have to worry about typos, either, and the checking and updating only takes a couple minutes once you've 
2015-08-02 13:24 <smxy> gotten the hang of it.
2015-08-02 15:53 <osmantis> Bug #7667:04 Added a new script function and changed existing to make IM and inventory possible for unknown HG users 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7667 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-02 15:53 <osmantis> Bug #7667:04 Added a new script function and changed existing to make IM and inventory possible for unknown HG users 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7667 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-08-02 16:06 <zontreck> hello, can someone give me some tips for where to start with fixing bugs? I'm not too familiar with OpenSimulator's code structure.
2015-08-02 16:11 <nebadon> just kind of have to dig in
2015-08-02 16:12 <nebadon> its quite a large code base, it would be impossible to generalize it really
2015-08-02 16:12 <nebadon> I assume you are familiar with mantis our bug tracker?
2015-08-02 16:12 <zontreck> Yes, i've been browsing the bug tracker.
2015-08-02 16:12 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/mantis
2015-08-02 16:12 <nebadon> k cool
2015-08-02 16:13 <nebadon> is there anything you are particularly interested in?
2015-08-02 16:13 <nebadon> Scripting, Physics etc..?
2015-08-02 16:13 <zontreck> Script related bugs.
2015-08-02 16:13 <zontreck> memory, unimplemented functions, etc
2015-08-02 16:16 <nebadon> you have experience with C#?
2015-08-02 16:16 <nebadon> lots of info here
2015-08-02 16:16 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Developer_Documentation
2015-08-02 16:16 <zontreck> some, it's been awhile, i've been working with C++ more recently
2015-08-02 16:16 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/ScriptEngines
2015-08-02 16:17 <nebadon> ok well almost all of our code is C#
2015-08-02 16:17 <zontreck> yea i know, 
2015-08-02 16:17 <nebadon> that last link I gave you will layout where the code for script engine is
2015-08-02 16:18 <zontreck> looking at it
2015-08-02 16:23 <zontreck> k thanks, that should give me an idea of where to start :)
2015-08-02 16:23 <nebadon> great
2015-08-02 16:23 <nebadon> anytime you have questions just ask
2015-08-02 16:23 <nebadon> please be patient on responses, we are not always staring at our screens here
2015-08-02 16:23 <nebadon> you can also email the email lists
2015-08-02 16:23 <nebadon> info about email lists are on the front page of the wiki near bottom
2015-08-02 16:25 <zontreck> yea, just may as well try to fix bugs that i notice and that affect me
2015-08-02 16:26 <nebadon> thats a good start
2015-08-02 16:28 <misterblue> happy digging, zontreck
2015-08-02 16:30 <misterblue> SceneObjectPart doesn't have pointers to many external things... it's hard getting configuration parameters to it :-(
2015-08-02 16:53 <zontreck> just curious what is m_host.AddScriptLPS(1)?
2015-08-02 17:26 <Plugh> zontreck: That would be for the script related statistics.
2015-08-02 17:27 <zontreck> OK
2015-08-02 18:00 <Wandering_Nomad> Finished the email module it is at https://github.com/QuillLittlefeather/OpenSim.Email
2015-08-02 18:24 <osmantis> Bug #7643:04 Only one record is inserted in the im_offline table - EVER - this record is being constantly overwritten. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-08-02 18:47 <smxy> WanderingNomad: Is your email module done as a mono add-in?
2015-08-02 18:59 <Wandering_Nomad> yes its a addin
2015-08-02 19:07 <Wandering_Nomad> now to figure out how to create llGetEmailHost as a way of generating the object email address
2015-08-02 19:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #4262 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-02 19:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4262: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4262/
2015-08-02 19:27 <osjenkins> Alicia Raven: Add HGFSAssetService to the HypergridService to provide HG support for FSAssets.
2015-08-02 20:09 <zontreck> How can i add a custom function to the script engine? I attempted but when saving a script i get a message about it not being in the current context
2015-08-02 20:11 <zontreck> brb later, gotta go.... i'll ask this again later!
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2015-08-03 02:46 <Plugh> big thunderstorm in the area. I'm shutting the computer off for the night.
2015-08-03 03:27 <zontreck> How can i add a custom function to the script engine? I attempted but when saving a script i get a message about it not being in the current context
2015-08-03 03:29 <nebadon> just so you know zontreck we will not accept patches that change the way LSL works, any patches should not really deviate outside of how LSL should work in SL
2015-08-03 03:29 <nebadon> anything outside of that should be OSSL
2015-08-03 03:31 <zontreck> nebadon, the purpose of my custom function is to experiment with the C# classes in one function block
2015-08-03 03:32 <zontreck> not meant to submit a patch in that way, but rather to experiment so i can accurately patch functions that're broken
2015-08-03 03:33 <nebadon> you might want to check out region modules
2015-08-03 03:33 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_Region_Modules
2015-08-03 03:34 <nebadon> good entry point for opensimulator
2015-08-03 03:34 <nebadon> this is the primary method of extending opensimulator
2015-08-03 03:34 <AliciaRaven> zontreck there are 3 files you need to look at, the lsl interface, the main class with the code, and the lsl stub class
2015-08-03 03:34 <AliciaRaven> i would sugest search for an existing lsl function, like llSay and just see what comes up in the code search, it should find those 3 files
2015-08-03 03:37 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5gb2XfjW0U
2015-08-03 03:38 <AliciaRaven> proceduraly generated planets, i want one lol
2015-08-03 03:38 <nebadon> nice
2015-08-03 03:38 <nebadon> check this out
2015-08-03 03:38 <nebadon> http://www.rigsofrods.com
2015-08-03 03:40 <AliciaRaven> cool, that can be the physics system for my dream planet lol
2015-08-03 03:41 <nebadon> haha
2015-08-03 03:41 <smxy> Having planets would be awesome. Then our grids really would be our own world.
2015-08-03 03:42 <nebadon> it should would mean a lot of empty space though too :)
2015-08-03 03:42 <smxy> We need breedable NPCs. :)
2015-08-03 03:43 <zontreck> Thanks AliciaRaven
2015-08-03 03:44 <AliciaRaven> np
2015-08-03 04:36 <misterblue> zontreck... check out the source file ExtendedPhysics.cs... it is a region module that uses C# attributes to define new LSL functions and constants
2015-08-03 04:44 <misterblue> zontreck: there have been several experiments with using region modules to do planets... there once was an n-body imsulation
2015-08-03 04:46 <misterblue> it is easy to use a region module to update the position of objects in a region... get the 'begin frame' callback and adjust object positions depending on the time. You can totally replace physics with your own calculations
2015-08-03 04:46 <AliciaRaven> hi misterblue, was me looking into planets, investigating some quadtree implementations at the moment
2015-08-03 04:47 <misterblue> We had one in ScienceSim (another grid) that had planets rotating in a model according to some mapping of real planet movement
2015-08-03 04:48 <AliciaRaven> i think i saw a video on youtube of that, it was some nbody module in os
2015-08-03 04:48 <misterblue> Mic did an n-body simulation... he found he could do thousands of objects with a region module
2015-08-03 04:49 <misterblue> yes... a region module... the slow part becomes sending the updates to the viewer
2015-08-03 04:51 <misterblue> his Dispatcher (https://github.com/cmickeyb/dispatcher) provides a pretty effiennt remote interface to the simulator... I've seen Sumo automotive simulationd running hundreds of cars in city in an OpenSim region
2015-08-03 04:52 <AliciaRaven> its a shame there is no way to reduce the update rate and rely more on dead reckoning
2015-08-03 04:53 <dahlia> There should be a N-body physics engine on forge somewhere but it's *really old*
2015-08-03 04:54 <dahlia> it was fun, you could sit on a planet and ride it :)
2015-08-03 04:54 <AliciaRaven> lol
2015-08-03 04:55 <AliciaRaven> i have a half finished traffic module, been side tracked with other things so i havnt had time to finish it
2015-08-03 04:55 <misterblue> you mean reducing the update rate to the viewer? That is something that could be done. The real solution is a change to the protocol/viewer, but that's another subject :-)
2015-08-03 04:56 <AliciaRaven> yea, opensims biggest limitation, the viewer lol
2015-08-03 04:56 <dahlia> I was attempting to interface OpenSteer way back when but I got sidetracked :/
2015-08-03 04:56 <dahlia> well you could use the velocity field in the update packets
2015-08-03 04:57 <misterblue> there could be more work interfacing other simulation systems into OpenSim... there are lots of great possibilities
2015-08-03 04:57 <misterblue> 
ACTION thinks that a Minecraft simulation/backend region module might attract a different crowd

2015-08-03 04:58 <dahlia> I made a region module with a UDP protocol that gave privileged access to the scenegraph and then made a compatible c++ protocol module library
2015-08-03 04:58 <AliciaRaven> eeew lego worlds
2015-08-03 04:58 <dahlia> a little like Mic's thing but UDP and LLSD rather than TCP and JSON
2015-08-03 05:00 <misterblue> 
ACTION should go back to working on his viewer

2015-08-03 05:01 <AliciaRaven> i was looking round the web yesterday and found a link to your site misterblue, wasnt looking for opensim stuff so i was supprised
2015-08-03 05:01 <AliciaRaven> was a 404 aswell :P
2015-08-03 05:01 <AliciaRaven> i was looking into ogre 3d
2015-08-03 05:02 <dahlia> if you want to make a ogre-based viewer you could prolly go back and dig up the nalli sources back when it worked with OpenSim
2015-08-03 05:03 <dahlia> antont might know where to look
2015-08-03 05:03 <AliciaRaven> i got as far as terrain and avatar, then got mad at them for having too many dependancys and all needing different versions
2015-08-03 05:03 <dahlia> you got SL avatar working on ogre? that's not bad :)
2015-08-03 05:04 <misterblue> I moved my blog to Jekyll and it wasn't smooth :-(
2015-08-03 05:04 <misterblue> I had a Ogre based viewer many years ago (http://lookingglassviewer.org/)... Ogre turned out to be difficult to use
2015-08-03 05:04 <AliciaRaven> noo, mesh character with animation and camera from the media stuff that comes with the engine
2015-08-03 05:04 <dahlia> oh
2015-08-03 05:04 <dahlia> meh :P
2015-08-03 05:05 <dahlia> I was impressed for a moment there ;)
2015-08-03 05:05 <AliciaRaven> lol
2015-08-03 05:05 <misterblue> I'm currently working on a distributed/modular architecture... I want a viewer where a SL avatar can stand next to a HiFi avatar in a Minecraft world :)
2015-08-03 05:05 <AliciaRaven> now im looking into monogame
2015-08-03 05:06 <AliciaRaven> yep was reading that on your site yesterday after the 404, interesting idea
2015-08-03 05:07 <dahlia> a suggestion from one who's been thru this a few times... if you want to make a viewer that can display more than a few thousand prims, don't use an existing game or rendering engine. Write it from scratch instead.
2015-08-03 05:08 <misterblue> if I want to render OpenSim objects unmodified, I agree
2015-08-03 05:08 <dahlia> generic rendering engines and opensim/sl content just don't get along
2015-08-03 05:08 <misterblue> I don't want to send the base editable objects to the viewer, though... I am using mesh combining routines to create composite objects for viewing... especially at a distance
2015-08-03 05:08 <AliciaRaven> i think the os prim/mesh stuff needs better lod control
2015-08-03 05:09 <dahlia> mesh combining might help but still the materials can be a bear
2015-08-03 05:09 <misterblue> for sure... SL objects weren't made for automoated LOD creation
2015-08-03 05:10 <dahlia> it's really easier to just write something from scratch than go thru the hassle of working around something that wasn't designed for it
2015-08-03 05:11 <misterblue> like I said, I don't want to send the editable, base objects to the viewer... selecting an object for editting is a permission step and the copy bots only get the combined, dispalyable objects
2015-08-03 05:11 <dahlia> sure but it's not just editing
2015-08-03 05:11 <misterblue> getting a 'baked' prim is not the based editable prim
2015-08-03 05:11 <dahlia> linksets are not fixed, nor are the material faces
2015-08-03 05:11 <dahlia> they can be scripted and animated
2015-08-03 05:12 <misterblue> if you keep 100% SL compatability... but I don't expect to be constrained by that
2015-08-03 05:12 <dahlia> ya but if you dont have compatibility, you dont need 90% of opensim
2015-08-03 05:13 <misterblue> and dynamic objects like that are few... they can be special... static objects are handled with a different protocol and communication path than any object that moves or changes
2015-08-03 05:13 <misterblue> the community and content is something to start with
2015-08-03 05:13 <dahlia> they are few until someone complains
2015-08-03 05:23 <misterblue> wb, zontreck
2015-08-03 05:23 <zontreck> thanks.. my phone isn't the best to use IRC with
2015-08-03 05:24 <zontreck> i've got another question, what methods upload or download to/from the asset server?
2015-08-03 05:25 <misterblue> <misterblue> zontreck... check out the source file ExtendedPhysics.cs... it is a region module that uses C# attributes to define new LSL functions and constants
2015-08-03 05:25 <misterblue> if you didn't see that from before...
2015-08-03 05:25 <zontreck> OK, thank you, lol, hadn't had a chance, wasn't sure if that file also covered asset related data
2015-08-03 05:26 <misterblue> looks for references to IAssetService... there is a general interface within the simulator for accessing assets that goes through all the different connectors and databases
2015-08-03 05:32 <misterblue> smxy... you around?
2015-08-03 05:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #4263 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-03 05:42 <misterblue> yea, success... I can go to bed now :)
2015-08-03 05:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4263: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4263/
2015-08-03 05:46 <osjenkins> misterblue: Add an option to processes physics collisions using FireAndForget.
2015-08-03 05:51 <osmantis> Bug #7666:04 PostgreSQL:  column "LastSeen" of relation "presence" does not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7666 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-03 05:51 <osmantis> Bug #7643:04 Only one record is inserted in the im_offline table - EVER - this record is being constantly overwritten. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-03 06:15 <osmantis> Bug #7666:04 PostgreSQL:  column "LastSeen" of relation "presence" does not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7666 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-03 07:09 <osmantis> Bug #7666:04 PostgreSQL:  column "LastSeen" of relation "presence" does not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7666 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-03 07:17 <osmantis> Bug #7666:04 PostgreSQL:  column "LastSeen" of relation "presence" does not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7666 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-03 07:18 <antont> AliciaRaven, dahlia - Naali's LLUDP code to connect to Opensim is in https://github.com/realXtend/tundra/tree/naali0.4/ProtocolModuleOpenSim and some other places for LLUDP etc there
2015-08-03 07:37 <osmantis> Bug #7666:04 PostgreSQL:  column "LastSeen" of relation "presence" does not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7666 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-03 08:00 <osmantis> Bug #7666:04 PostgreSQL:  column "LastSeen" of relation "presence" does not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7666 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-03 08:08 <osmantis> Bug #7666:04 PostgreSQL:  column "LastSeen" of relation "presence" does not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7666 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-03 08:08 <osmantis> Bug #7666:04 PostgreSQL:  column "LastSeen" of relation "presence" does not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7666 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-08-03 08:14 <osmantis> Bug #7666:04 PostgreSQL:  column "LastSeen" of relation "presence" does not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7666 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-08-03 08:22 <osmantis> Bug #7666:04 PostgreSQL:  column "LastSeen" of relation "presence" does not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7666 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-03 08:46 -!- slk(~oyk@devnull.drwxr-xr-x.eu) has left #opensim-dev
2015-08-03 11:51 <osmantis> Bug #7648:04 Incompatibility between objects sent via HG from a linux-hosted region/grid and then opened on a Win-hosted region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7648 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-03 11:53 <osmantis> Bug #7330:04 llRegionSayTo() now says it twice... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7330 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-03 11:53 <osmantis> Bug #7357:04 Recent commit change now makes it impossible to stop the default SL sit animation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7357 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-03 11:55 <osmantis> Bug #7521:04 Severe console message spam when avi with voice enabled is in parcel with voice disabled but region has voice 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7521 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-03 12:30 <osmantis> Bug #7643:04 Only one record is inserted in the im_offline table - EVER - this record is being constantly overwritten. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7643 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-08-03 12:31 <osmantis> Bug #7643:04 Only one record is inserted in the im_offline table - EVER - this record is being constantly overwritten. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7643 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-08-03 12:31 <osmantis> Bug #7643:04 Only one record is inserted in the im_offline table - EVER - this record is being constantly overwritten. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7643 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-08-03 13:36 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-03 13:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #4264 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-03 13:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4264: SUCCESS in 9 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4264/
2015-08-03 13:49 <osjenkins> * orenh: Removed unused variable
2015-08-03 13:49 <osjenkins> * orenh: PGSL Presence migration to correct a double version 2 migration that existed
2015-08-03 13:49 <osjenkins> * orenh: Merged the two "Version 2" migrations in PGSQL
2015-08-03 13:49 <osjenkins> * orenh: In the AgentCircuitData of HG users, set the last name to include the port
2015-08-03 13:50 <osmantis> Bug #7643:04 Only one record is inserted in the im_offline table - EVER - this record is being constantly overwritten. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-03 14:30 <osmantis> Bug #7643:04 Only one record is inserted in the im_offline table - EVER - this record is being constantly overwritten. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-03 14:44 <JeffKelley> ça y est, ça me revient (ssm lira ça en revenant de carouf) la différence entre binaire et texte c'est la reconnaissance des fins de lignes qui dépend de l'os ; comme notre blob qui contient le xml n'est pas structuré en lignes, on s'en fout royalement
2015-08-03 15:21 <Swaz> Hi !
2015-08-03 15:22 <Swaz> We would like to present you the Art-Science project we are currently working on. It is called "DualCorps".
2015-08-03 15:22 <JeffKelley> (shame on me)
2015-08-03 15:24 <Swaz> In short, it is a duet immersion (Claire Sistach and Soizic Sanson) into a virtual world for two weeks (24/7). We will both live through twin avatars. That is, with the distinction of having their databases merged and their textual exchanges transparent to each other. 
2015-08-03 15:24 <Swaz> The project is conducted in collaboration with Professor A. Berthoz, neurophysiologist at the College de France, and Michel Nachez, anthropologist at the Ethnology Institute of the University of Strasbourg. The challenge is to study the weight data in the emergence of a digital identity. Thus, during the experiment, data will be collected from the two avatars to be used both for scientific exploitation and in a second time for a digit
2015-08-03 15:24 <Swaz> al art immersive installation.
2015-08-03 15:24 <Swaz> Summary of our needs:
2015-08-03 15:24 <Swaz> linking the databases of the two avatars: all their data except for the location data and discussion that will remain free for each avatar.
2015-08-03 15:24 <Swaz> follow up and save all the data from the two avatars (travels, logs, discussions, changes in appearance, etc.)
2015-08-03 15:24 <Swaz> customize a viewer for the experience (add a specific chat channel: private discussions from the two avatars will always be shared between them. We look for the impossibility for other avatars to discern which avatar is speaking.
2015-08-03 15:24 <Swaz> some modules in order to self save emotional states are also required (like blue, red,� status buttons for example).
2015-08-03 15:24 <Swaz> Ensure that the area is accessible online by other users despite the amendments made for the needs of the experiment.
2015-08-03 15:24 <Swaz> We are on the verge to gather up a technical team. If you are interested, please, let us know which parts you would be skilled to develop and what would be your rates at the following address : soizic@soizic-sanson.net
2015-08-03 16:11 <velusuniversesys> hello all whats the best mono version for the system? 
2015-08-03 16:11 <velusuniversesys> and whats the min version
2015-08-03 16:57 <WanderingNomad> mono 4.0 
2015-08-03 17:37 <Plugh> velusuniversesys: I'm using mono 3.2.8
2015-08-03 17:37 <Plugh> nebadon is using a newer version but I forget which.
2015-08-03 17:37 <osmantis> Bug #7566:04 DNS Caching in Mono 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7566 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-03 18:17 <ssm2017> hello Swaz. maybe the mailing list can be a better place to post a job announcement
2015-08-03 18:19 <ssm2017> Swaz: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists
2015-08-03 18:21 <H-H-H> you mean instead of spamming every chaannel that has anything to do with opensim
2015-08-03 18:56 <osmantis> Bug #7667:04 Added a new script function and changed existing to make IM and inventory possible for unknown HG users 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7667 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-03 18:57 <velusuniversesys> would 2.10 be ok ?
2015-08-03 19:39 <Plugh> nebadon is more the expert when it comes to different versions of mono. If that is the latest version available to you, try it. The other option you have is to build and install a more recent version of mono.
2015-08-03 19:40 <Melanie_> 2.10.9 can run current opensim code
2015-08-03 19:40 <Melanie_> and is well tested and proven
2015-08-03 19:50 <nebadon> most versions of mono are about the same, I have had varying degrees of success with most versions
2015-08-03 19:51 <nebadon> I tend to run the current release always
2015-08-03 19:51 <nebadon> with occasional master git testing
2015-08-03 19:51 <nebadon> mono master git that is
2015-08-03 19:51 <nebadon> my answer to mono is use whatever version works best on your platform and simulator
2015-08-03 19:51 <nebadon> there is no golden ticket
2015-08-03 19:52 <nebadon> just depends on how brave your feeling :)
2015-08-03 19:52 <H-H-H> compile it yourself in userspace :)
2015-08-03 19:53 <nebadon> yea most of the time that is what I do
2015-08-03 19:53 <nebadon> and if you set the mono path to a symlink you can easily switch versions of mono without resetting the environment
2015-08-03 19:53 <nebadon> just change the symlink
2015-08-03 19:53 <H-H-H> takes forever on a pc as old as mine lol but it gets the job done
2015-08-03 20:07 <osmantis> Bug #7667:04 Added a new script function and changed existing to make IM and inventory possible for unknown HG users 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7667 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-03 20:32 <Swaz> thanks ssm2017 ! I'll use the mailing list
2015-08-03 21:22 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-03 21:31 <smxy> Moses took Oren's criticism just the way I figured they would.
2015-08-03 21:32 <smxy> MOSES*
2015-08-03 21:59 <dahlia> smxy: which criticism? I haven't been monitoring the moses mantis entries
2015-08-03 22:05 <velusuniversesys> when im running the building of opensim i get this  External Program Failed: /usr/lib/mono/4.0/dmcs.exe (return code was 2) hwo do i fix this?
2015-08-03 22:12 <velusuniversesys> ok it seems mono has missed out a few files installing wonder why
2015-08-03 22:16 <nebadon> make sure you install mono-complete
2015-08-03 22:16 <velusuniversesys> diva, you about?
2015-08-03 22:17 <velusuniversesys> i did install mono-complete nebadon 
2015-08-03 22:17 <velusuniversesys> i think it may be my container thats the problem
2015-08-03 22:19 <diva> i'm here
2015-08-03 22:21 <velusuniversesys> how do i install the wifi? i havent read the info yet but thats cos i have been busy all day with little niggly problems
2015-08-03 22:22 <dahlia> 1) rtfm 2) try 3) rtfm 4) try 5) rtfm 6) try 7) complain
2015-08-03 22:29 <velusuniversesys> sorry but all day i have been trying to get a few problems sorted most of it being with my mum being ill i have not had time to actually rtfm, most of this morning i was putting my mum on and off the toilet, wipeing her backside simply because my sister could not be assed to look atfer my mum for one day. then this afternoon i have been struggling with calls all day and visit from people about the flat i 
2015-08-03 22:29 <velusuniversesys> just moved intom its nearly midnight and i have hardly got anything done for somwthing that needs to be done for tomorrow morning so sorry if i havent had much time to rtfm today
2015-08-03 22:34 <dahlia> velusuniversesys: ya I can relate, my 86 year old mom broke her leg 3 weeks ago and I get to be primary caretaker
2015-08-03 22:34 <dahlia> hmmm 4 weeks now
2015-08-03 22:36 <dahlia> but srsly.... diva is like some kind of educater type and knows how to write good instructions
2015-08-03 22:37 <nebadon> velusuniversesys > https://github.com/diva/d2/wiki/Wifi
2015-08-03 22:38 <nebadon> if you have specific questions feel free to ask velusuniversesys, however you will likely find most of the developers don't have time to explain an entire setup of things :)
2015-08-03 22:43 <smxy> dahlia: It was a patch they sent in a second time for the network statistics. They had submitted an initial patch, which people suggested changes to. They did that, then submitted a second patch (perhaps on another ticket, as I recall) and orenh had some feedback for them. They don't seem to appreciate it, based on the email I saw from them today. I predicted that they'd react that way, 
2015-08-03 22:43 <smxy> and oren even added a note saying he wasn't trying to be ean, just constructive. Didn't seem to help.
2015-08-03 22:43 <smxy> I can't find the mantis though, as my search foo in mantis sucks.
2015-08-03 22:44 <velusuniversesys> im gonna have to skip on the wifi now as it seems mono nant aint working to build it but mono is so i will have to use what i have so far on the website and finish the rest larer 
2015-08-03 22:44 <smxy> use xbuild
2015-08-03 22:44 <velusuniversesys> xbuild?
2015-08-03 22:44 <smxy> instead of nant
2015-08-03 22:44 <smxy> comes with mono
2015-08-03 22:45 <dahlia> smxy: if I were to guess I'd guess they are schedule driven and too much constructive feedback might impact such schedule
2015-08-03 22:45 <dahlia> but just a guess ;)
2015-08-03 22:46 <smxy> Yes, I'd agree, but they also don't seem to like conforming to the project, as they keep saying things like (and I paraphrase) "we're doing all this work for you to make OpenSim better and all you do is pick it to death"
2015-08-03 22:46 <dahlia> lol
2015-08-03 22:47 <velusuniversesys> thanks smxy you have saved me one masive headache now thanks now i will need to look into wifi again, hopefully it will work in robust mode with regions on seperate servers, and mysql on a seperate server, 
2015-08-03 22:47 <velusuniversesys> and hopefully wifi dont change opensim much
2015-08-03 22:48 <smxy> I use Wifi in it's own Robust., separate from the main one, though it can work there, too. I have my Robusts, regions and DB all on different servers. So yes, it can do all that.
2015-08-03 22:48 <smxy> I have it in it's own Robust simply so I don't have to update that Robust so often.
2015-08-03 22:49 <dahlia> my whole grid is on one server but sometimes I attach regions from a temporary cloud VM
2015-08-03 22:49 <velusuniversesys> ok i will only be having it temp while i work on my actual site but that has been side tracked for about a week now which al in all has been about a month and a half
2015-08-03 22:50 <dahlia> and I use ssh tunnels for the private grid services
2015-08-03 22:50 <smxy> But, are you building Wifi?
2015-08-03 22:50 <velusuniversesys> will have to build it wont i?
2015-08-03 22:50 <smxy> What version of OpenSim are you running?
2015-08-03 22:50 <velusuniversesys> 0.8.1.1
2015-08-03 22:51 <smxy> Then you really should just be loading the mono add-in from her repo.
2015-08-03 22:51 <velusuniversesys> ??
2015-08-03 22:51 <smxy> No need to build it.
2015-08-03 22:51 <velusuniversesys> ok 
2015-08-03 22:52 <diva> http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/diva-addons/wifi-and-other-diva-addons/
2015-08-03 22:52 <smxy> She beat me to it.
2015-08-03 22:53 <smxy> :)
2015-08-03 23:14 <velusuniversesys> ok where do you get the addins from?
2015-08-03 23:26 <Plugh> When does Robust create the ./bakes directory?
2015-08-03 23:27 <Plugh> I've enabled caching of texture bakes and the dir is supposed to be created automatically but I don't see it in my Robust dir.
2015-08-03 23:29 <smxy> I'm not certain it *is* created automatically. I thought the comments said it must exist and be writable. So you might make it yourself.
2015-08-03 23:33 <smxy> I see I was only part write about the comment. It does say it is automatically created, but I'm not certain that's really true. Or maybe you just nee to be sure that where it will be created has write perms for the process running OpenSim, so it can make the dsir.
2015-08-03 23:33 <smxy> dir*
2015-08-03 23:40 <velusuniversesys> ok im confised too lol but year is there a way of getting the opensim to read off configs that is somewhere else i.e if i have all my configs in another folder somewhere else i.e /opt/configs 
2015-08-03 23:46 <Plugh> Perhaps the comment was changed. In 0.8.1PF it does say it will be created automatically
2015-08-04 01:26 <JunkHunk> Why npc's are not working on diva distro?
2015-08-04 01:26 <JunkHunk> And will they ever work again?
2015-08-04 01:29 <Plugh> Someone was asking something about NPC's just now?
2015-08-04 02:12 <misterblue> JunkHunk was saying they don't work in the Diva distro
2015-08-04 02:12 <misterblue> "they' => "NPCs"
2015-08-04 02:24 <nebadon> that would surprise me
2015-08-04 02:24 <nebadon> its probably just not fully enabled by default if anything
2015-08-04 02:24 <nebadon> there is no reason npc would not work in divas
2015-08-04 02:38 <misterblue> more configuration parameters there there are minutes in the day
2015-08-04 02:38 <nebadon> :)
2015-08-04 02:39 <Plugh> Are they enabled in the ini file?
2015-08-04 02:39 <Plugh> misterblue: yup
2015-08-04 02:41 <nebadon> not sure the default npc setting for divas
2015-08-04 02:41 <nebadon> i dont actually use it
2015-08-04 02:41 <nebadon> just the wifi part I run in robust
2015-08-04 02:44 <misterblue> in regular OpenSim, there is the included INI file "osslEnable.ini" that turns on NPCs for estate manager and owner
2015-08-04 02:44 <misterblue> don't know how Diva does her configration files....
2015-08-04 02:44 <misterblue> you'd have to edit osslEnable.ini to allow more people to use NPCs
2015-08-04 02:55 <nebadon> im looking
2015-08-04 02:56 <nebadon> NPC is enabled by default
2015-08-04 02:56 <nebadon> for Estate Owner
2015-08-04 04:40 <osmantis> Bug #7666:04 PostgreSQL:  column "LastSeen" of relation "presence" does not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7666 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-04 06:08 <osmantis> Bug #7667:04 Added a new script function and changed existing to make IM and inventory possible for unknown HG users 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7667 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-04 06:09 <osmantis> Bug #7667:04 Added a new script function and changed existing to make IM and inventory possible for unknown HG users 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7667 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-04 06:09 <osmantis> Bug #7667:04 Added a new script function and changed existing to make IM and inventory possible for unknown HG users 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7667 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-08-04 14:03 <smxy> velusuniversesys: I think you are thinking of the -inidirectory option to OpenSim. There are other command line options as well. They are documented in the wiki. I use them to keep all confige elsewhere, out of bin.
2015-08-04 15:28 <osmantis> Bug #7667:04 Added a new script function and changed existing to make IM and inventory possible for unknown HG users 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7667 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-04 15:58 <nebadon> http://graphics.pixar.com/library
2015-08-04 16:06 <Plugh> nebadon: very nice.
2015-08-04 16:07 <Plugh> ooh... I have a need for this right now -> Surface Reconstruction from Unorganized Points
2015-08-04 16:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #4265 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-04 16:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4265: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4265/
2015-08-04 16:20 <osjenkins> * melanie: Make osAvatarName2Key() able to get names from unknown HG users
2015-08-04 16:20 <osjenkins> * melanie: create osGetAvatarHomeURI
2015-08-04 16:28 <osmantis> Bug #7667:04 Added a new script function and changed existing to make IM and inventory possible for unknown HG users 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7667 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-04 17:23 <osmantis> Bug #7668:04 object description xmlns:xmlns: gets changed to xmlns: when transfered via HG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7668 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-04 17:24 <osmantis> Bug #7668:04 object description xmlns:xmlns: gets changed to xmlns: when transfered via HG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7668 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007514.
2015-08-04 17:24 <osmantis> Bug #7514:04 Can't rez items from OSGrid on my own grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7514 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007668.
2015-08-04 17:25 <osmantis> Bug #7668:04 object description xmlns:xmlns: gets changed to xmlns: when transfered via HG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7668 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007657.
2015-08-04 17:25 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007668.
2015-08-04 18:20 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-04 19:14 <velusuniversesys> has the configs changed since last time? it seems to of been
2015-08-04 19:14 <H-H-H> erm define "last time"?
2015-08-04 19:19 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-04 19:24 <smxy> velusuniversesys: You should ALWAYS assume the configs changed and compare your old to the new and adjust accordingly.
2015-08-04 19:25 <JeffKelley> that depends. config did not change between 0.8.1 and 0.8.1.1 for example
2015-08-04 19:26 <velusuniversesys> yeah true i aint got my old one i am just skimming through them i think betgween 0.8.0 to 0.8.1 
2015-08-04 19:26 <velusuniversesys> has the db changed?
2015-08-04 19:29 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-04 21:44 <osmantis> Bug #7669:04 llGodLikeRezObject not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7669 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-04 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #7669:04 llGodLikeRezObject not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7669 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-08-04 22:14 <smxy> JeffKelley: It's better safe, than sorry, to assume the configs have changed, from release to release, and compare them everytime you update. It only takes a few minutes, is easy to do, and can save many hours of troubleshooting.
2015-08-05 01:17 <smxy> Is anyone here who know about OAR loading? One of my residents accidentially return everything in a region and I want to reload it with last night's OAR (they are made automatically every night), but want to be sure everything is owned by whom it should be.
2015-08-05 01:18 <smxy> Pretty sure I can use skip-assets, since it's going into the same grid, but not sure wht else I should or shouldn't specify.
2015-08-05 01:19 <smxy> It seems like that's all I should have to do ...
2015-08-05 01:26 <Plugh> Last time I dealt with ownership to do with an oar the owner became the owner of the region. I would check the wiki to see if it says anything about ownership.
2015-08-05 01:27 <smxy> Hmm. The objects appeared to be owned right, after loading. I didn't check the reion and parcel though. Let me do that.
2015-08-05 01:29 <smxy> Hmmm. I *am* the owner of the region now, and the estate has been changed to "fcache assets", of all things.
2015-08-05 01:30 <smxy> Now how do I fix this ...
2015-08-05 01:31 <Dev_Random> estate set name....
2015-08-05 01:33 <smxy> right, that'll fix the name, but what about the owner? Or will that come from assigning it to her estate again?
2015-08-05 01:33 <smxy> I do this so rarely I've forgotten, heh.
2015-08-05 01:33 <Dev_Random> doubtful.  estate owner != region owner
2015-08-05 01:33 <smxy> It was.
2015-08-05 01:35 <Dev_Random> howbout this:   mysql -uopensimadmin -p -e "UPDATE REGIONS SET....."
2015-08-05 01:35 <smxy> Possibly, if all else fails, yeah. :)
2015-08-05 01:36 <Dev_Random> heh
2015-08-05 01:36 <smxy> I'm just really tired and would hate to fat-finger that. :)
2015-08-05 01:38 <smxy> Actually, it says I own the estate. So I think I'll start by changing the name and owner back to her and then see how things look.
2015-08-05 01:38 <smxy> Where do we see who owns the region? Would it be whomever owns the single region-sized parcel?
2015-08-05 01:38 <smxy> I checked and she owns that.
2015-08-05 01:39 <Dev_Random> I've never looked.  That makes sense
2015-08-05 01:47 <smxy> Hmm. On a hunch, I restarted the sim, before changing anything (I hadn't, after loading the OAR) and now it shows her as the estate owner.
2015-08-05 01:48 <smxy> Checking all of her regions, though, I find that at some time in the past, it somehow got renamed to "fcache assets" as that's what it's called everywhere. But that I can fix.
2015-08-05 04:02 <misterblue> Plugh: did you find a good library for doing Surface Reconstruction from Unorganized Points?
2015-08-05 04:52 <dahlia> would the convex hull code do that?
2015-08-05 04:52 <dahlia> like for a debug render
2015-08-05 04:56 <dahlia> this thing can make point clouds and turn the into meshes: http://ccwu.me/vsfm/
2015-08-05 07:36 <Plugh> misterblue: No, I haven't. That page just had a paper about the topic.
2015-08-05 09:26 <osmantis> Bug #7670:04 [RADMIN] admin_create_user is broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7670 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2015-08-05 10:33 <osmantis> Bug #7671:04 [RADMIN] admin_restart is broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7671 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2015-08-05 10:46 <osmantis> Bug #7671:04 [RADMIN] admin_restart is broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7671 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2015-08-05 10:46 <osmantis> Bug #7671:04 [RADMIN] admin_restart is broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7671 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2015-08-05 11:36 <velusuniversesys> hello if i am having the open-sim connect to a db on another server how would i put in the db on the config would it be http:// or not?
2015-08-05 11:47 <velusuniversesys> ok you dont have the http:// if you do it throws errors 
2015-08-05 12:47 <velusuniversesys> hey Tank_Master you about?
2015-08-05 13:34 <misterblue> dahlia: ya, the SFM code is a start... I want to build OpenSim content simplifiers that will bake prims into larger, combined meshes.... meshed prims are more structured from point clouds and don't have all the noise problems
2015-08-05 13:39 <misterblue> 'from' => 'than'
2015-08-05 14:03 <osmantis> Bug #7672:04 Importing a xlm shape fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7672 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-05 15:21 <osmantis> Bug #7668:04 object description xmlns:xmlns: gets changed to xmlns: when transfered via HG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7668 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-05 15:24 <osmantis> Bug #7668:04 object description xmlns:xmlns: gets changed to xmlns: when transfered via HG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7668 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-05 15:39 <notskittles> anyone know how i sign up for the libomv jira? https://metaverse.atlassian.net/projects/LIBOMV
2015-08-05 15:43 <notskittles> there's a pretty critical bug in the way it's been creating root inventory folders since, like, ever.
2015-08-05 15:43 <notskittles> probably causing a lot of the obscure inventory issues.
2015-08-05 15:44 <notskittles> @CmdrCupcake and i worked on a patch but i don't see how to login and report it to jira. :O https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse/pull/26
2015-08-05 15:49 <diva> it's on github
2015-08-05 15:49 <diva> https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse
2015-08-05 15:50 <notskittles> the jira is?
2015-08-05 15:51 <notskittles> we put the pull request there.
2015-08-05 15:51 <notskittles> but i was told to file an issue on jira.
2015-08-05 15:52 <notskittles> (i've actually got two pull requests for libomv there now)
2015-08-05 15:54 <diva> I don't know of any separate issue report system other than github
2015-08-05 15:54 <diva> I mean, for libomv
2015-08-05 15:54 <notskittles> this one https://metaverse.atlassian.net/projects/LIBOMV
2015-08-05 15:55 <notskittles> what's happening is, the enum for root folder is wrong in libomv
2015-08-05 15:55 <notskittles> so every root folder thus far created in opensim is the wrong type.
2015-08-05 15:55 <diva> yikes
2015-08-05 15:55 <notskittles> singularity and firestorm have just disabled sanity checking on it, but i think this is why stuff like #RLV doesn't work.
2015-08-05 15:57 <notskittles> we're getting ready to release an opensim version of the alchemy viewer, but the sanity checking remains intact which means there's a race when the viewer tries to connect and a stack smash. because opensim creates root folders of a normal folder type.
2015-08-05 15:57 <CmdrCupcake> ACtually it creates root folders with an invalid type :P
2015-08-05 15:57 <notskittles> i thought type 8 was "Category"?
2015-08-05 15:58 <CmdrCupcake> It creates root folders with a folder type of 9. 
2015-08-05 15:58 <CmdrCupcake> which is nonexistent/invalid
2015-08-05 15:58 <diva> lkalif should accept the pull request very soon, if he's around
2015-08-05 15:58 <notskittles> oh wait, you're right. :D
2015-08-05 15:58 <diva> I can pull the libomv with the fix into opensim
2015-08-05 15:58 <nebadon> not sure if lkalif is doing that kind of stuff or not
2015-08-05 15:58 <diva> he is
2015-08-05 15:58 <notskittles> opensim's going to need a pretty big fix for this.
2015-08-05 15:59 <notskittles> either in the migration file which would probably cause substantial downtime for grids or something that happened at login.
2015-08-05 16:00 <notskittles> to change all root inventories from type 9 to type 8.
2015-08-05 16:00 <notskittles> but it's going to likely resolve a lot of quicky inventory problems.
2015-08-05 16:01 <notskittles> *quirky
2015-08-05 16:06 <notskittles> other pull request just adds the experience tools packet to lludp. idk if anybody is thinking of adding support for that anytime soon. https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse/pull/25
2015-08-05 16:18 <ssm2017> the wiki says that this is 9 : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Database:Inventoryfolders
2015-08-05 16:18 <ssm2017> do you think that i can safely run : "update inventoryfolders set type=8 where parentFolderID="00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000" and type=9" in my robust db ?
2015-08-05 16:19 <ssm2017> maybe there is a reason why this values has changed from 8 to 9 in 0.7.x ?
2015-08-05 16:20 <notskittles> i would check against folderName My Inventory just to be safe too.
2015-08-05 16:21 <diva> where is the documentation for those numbers notskittles?
2015-08-05 16:21 <Melanie_> ssm2017: yes you can.
2015-08-05 16:21 <Melanie_> The root folder type was set incorrectly in older OpenSim versions
2015-08-05 16:21 <notskittles> https://bitbucket.org/lindenlab/viewer-release/src/9f2f82e7c37127106b340b18c3a938f1ecf121cf/indra/llinventory/llfoldertype.h?at=default#llfoldertype.h-55
2015-08-05 16:22 <Melanie_> however, opensim doesn't even look at it, using the parent folder uuid as the criterion for rootfolderness
2015-08-05 16:22 <diva> oh there;s a comment under that
2015-08-05 16:22 <notskittles> FT_ROOT_INVENTORY = 8,
2015-08-05 16:22 <notskittles> / We'd really like to change this to 9 since AT_CATEGORY is 8,
2015-08-05 16:22 <notskittles> / but "My Inventory" has been type 8 for a long time.
2015-08-05 16:22 <diva> I guess that comment may explain why we changed it 
2015-08-05 16:23 <Melanie_> the older opensim versions used the asset type mistakenly
2015-08-05 16:24 <Melanie_> so databases of older grids will have mixed root folder types
2015-08-05 16:24 <Melanie_> we ran into that, too
2015-08-05 16:33 <ssm2017> seeing these last notes, should we consider that the good value is 9 and that viewers need to upgrade ?
2015-08-05 16:33 <Melanie_> viewers don't set this
2015-08-05 16:33 <Melanie_> opensim does
2015-08-05 16:33 <Melanie_> and 8 is correct
2015-08-05 16:34 <Melanie_> 9 was wrongly assumed by early opensim incanations
2015-08-05 16:36 <ssm2017> it looks like you have inverted 9 and 8 in your last remarks Melanie_ (opensim 0.6.x = 8 and 0.7.x = 9 (as the wiki says))
2015-08-05 16:37 <ssm2017> notskittles says that viewers with sanitycheck intact are wrongly interpreting the type when reading the inventory
2015-08-05 16:37 <ssm2017> as i can understand, actual opensimulator type (9) is the good one and viewers need to upgrade
2015-08-05 16:38 <notskittles> ROOT_INVENTORY as defined in second life and the viewer is 8, opensim is setting it as 9. why should the viewer change?
2015-08-05 16:39 <ssm2017> notskittles: because of the comment under the constant declaration ?
2015-08-05 16:40 <notskittles> so the viewer should change and break compatibility with the server it's written for even though the server will never change. hmm.
2015-08-05 16:42 <ssm2017> notskittles: do not take attention to my declarations (im just asking as a grid owner with these 2 values in the db), im not a dev, only diva and Melanie_ have the power of decision
2015-08-05 16:42 <diva> notskittles, it looks like that comment led us off, that's my guess for why we have 9 as root folder
2015-08-05 16:42 <diva> and by "
2015-08-05 16:42 <diva> and by "us" i mean libomv too
2015-08-05 16:43 <diva> might be worth tracking history of that line in libomv
2015-08-05 16:43 <diva> so that we get to the bottom of this
2015-08-05 16:43 <notskittles> well, with libomv i think it's simply because the single enum was having a dual use. hence the pull request seperating them.
2015-08-05 16:44 <notskittles> there were other problems with it as well. BASIC_ROOT was also invalid.
2015-08-05 16:44 <notskittles> but that folder has always been a bit of a mystery.
2015-08-05 17:29 <CmdrCupcake> Why is the "My Suitcase" folder using a folder id of 8? In the viewer's concept of inventory there should only ever be one folder with ROOT_INVENTORY...
2015-08-05 17:32 <diva> it's not
2015-08-05 17:32 <diva> it uses 100
2015-08-05 17:32 <CmdrCupcake> it looks like it is to the viewer though.
2015-08-05 17:33 <diva> but HG folders do a trick
2015-08-05 17:34 <diva> yes, they report a different number to the viewer
2015-08-05 17:34 <diva> I don't remember how the number 8 was chosen for that, I can trace the history
2015-08-05 17:35 <diva> orenh did it
2015-08-05 17:36 <diva> commit 0fe08c8799b1a3a2d5a07c206c2f9680d1c0798e
2015-08-05 17:37 <diva> the commit message is "When sending the "My Suitcase" folder to the client, always claim it has Folder Type 8. (Previously we had used Folder Type -1 in one place, and LLClientView didn't even bother changing Folder Type 100 to anything else.)"
2015-08-05 18:18 <Plugh> After all the above, is 9 or 8 the proper ID for the root inventory folder in OS 0.7+?
2015-08-05 18:20 <CmdrCupcake> To the viewer, 8 is the correct ID. :P
2015-08-05 18:22 <Plugh> If so, the OS code and the wiki need updating.
2015-08-05 18:33 <JeffKelley> the wiki documents what is in database
2015-08-05 19:57 <Desperate> Hello, friends.
2015-08-05 19:57 <Desperate> Every time I execute as administrator the executable opensim.exe I obtain this error:
2015-08-05 19:57 <Desperate> "APPLICATION EXCEPTION DETECTED: System.UnhandledExceptionEventArgs  Exception: System.Exception: Configuration file is missing the [SimulationDataStore] section.  Have you copied OpenSim.ini.example to OpenSim.ini to reference onfig-include/ files?"
2015-08-05 19:58 <Desperate> What am I doing wrong?
2015-08-05 19:58 <JeffKelley> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/0.8.1.1_Release
2015-08-05 20:00 <Desperate> Thank you JeffKelley, but I do not quite understand. That page says: "Known issues  No new issue since 0.8.1"
2015-08-05 20:00 <Desperate> How can I solve my problem?
2015-08-05 20:00 <JeffKelley> « For standalone mode, you should first copy (or rename) StandaloneCommon.ini.example to StandaloneCommon.ini, OpenSim.ini.example to OpenSim.ini and edit the [Architecture] section.  »
2015-08-05 20:01 <Desperate> I already have done that.
2015-08-05 20:02 <Desperate> That is why I am amazed.
2015-08-05 20:02 <JeffKelley> did you uncomment Include-Architecture = "config-include/Standalone.ini" ?
2015-08-05 20:02 <Desperate> Yes I did.
2015-08-05 20:03 <Desperate> I have scrupulously followed every instruction ini the page.
2015-08-05 20:03 <Desperate> I am using Windows 8.1
2015-08-05 20:03 <Desperate> just in case.
2015-08-05 20:04 <zontreck> can you copy the contents of OpenSim.ini to somewhere like pastebin.com?
2015-08-05 20:04 <Plugh> Check your DB connection strings. Did you set the right storage provider? Are the settings in the connection string correct? Does the user have perms to access the database?
2015-08-05 20:05 <w-t-h_> afaik, OpenSim.ini does not live in config-include
2015-08-05 20:05 <Plugh> It does not.
2015-08-05 20:05 <Desperate> zontreck, thank you but I do not know what are you talking
2015-08-05 20:06 <Desperate> My DB connections? I thought it was an automatic thing
2015-08-05 20:06 <Plugh> Desperate: No, you have to provide the user name, password, database host, and database name
2015-08-05 20:06 <JeffKelley> it is, unless you want to use another database engine
2015-08-05 20:06 <Desperate> w-t-h: you are right. I was another thing that surprised me.
2015-08-05 20:06 <Plugh> You also need to indicate if you are using SQLite, MySQL, or PostgresQL.
2015-08-05 20:07 <w-t-h_> (assuming the user is using a db other than Sqlite)
2015-08-05 20:07 <Desperate> Does not work the internal Sqlite db?
2015-08-05 20:07 <JeffKelley> sqlite is the default
2015-08-05 20:07 <Plugh> I think it is still the default.
2015-08-05 20:08 <Desperate> Where should I caonfig those settings?
2015-08-05 20:08 <Desperate> config*
2015-08-05 20:08 <Plugh> From where did you get your copy of OpenSim?
2015-08-05 20:08 <w-t-h_> OpenSim.ini you select the archticture
2015-08-05 20:08 <Desperate> From opensimulator.org.
2015-08-05 20:08 <w-t-h_> e.,g  Standlaone, then it all just works
2015-08-05 20:09 <Desperate> I already selected the architecture, as said.
2015-08-05 20:09 <Desperate> But nothing.
2015-08-05 20:09 <JeffKelley> it should start (and does) just uncommenting line 1178
2015-08-05 20:09 <Plugh> Um... stock OS or the Diva version?
2015-08-05 20:10 <w-t-h_> imo some files must have .example removed for the simulator to startup,  eg., those in config-include
2015-08-05 20:11 <Desperate> mmmmm let me check a thing.
2015-08-05 20:11 <w-t-h_> e.,g     config-include/Standalone.ini and all others too lol
2015-08-05 20:11 <Desperate> I already know what is happening. LOL
2015-08-05 20:11 <Plugh> and the answer is ...?
2015-08-05 20:12 <w-t-h_> puts fingers to temples and does telepathy
2015-08-05 20:12 <Desperate> I had my Notepad ++ editing in normal mode and that is why it did not saved my changes.
2015-08-05 20:12 <Desperate> LOL
2015-08-05 20:12 <w-t-h_> telepathy:  error; cannot find user' desparates brain 404
2015-08-05 20:12 <Desperate> Well thank you very much in any case guys. You are very kind.
2015-08-05 20:13 <JeffKelley> configuration issues should better be discussed in channel #opensim in my humble opinion
2015-08-05 20:13 <Desperate> LOL telepathy. Mya be you are right. It is very hot here and my brain is melting. (42ª celsius)
2015-08-05 20:13 <Plugh> normal mode doesn't save changes? Does it normally save changes for you on a timed basis?
2015-08-05 20:14 <Desperate> ok thank you again JeffKelley. I did not know.
2015-08-05 20:15 <Plugh> This is the channel is usually about development of OpenSim but we do get users asking about configuration now and then.
2015-08-05 20:17 <w-t-h_> (development question: wehn git reset is set to a commit older than last why can't a new git pull reset to last commit?)
2015-08-05 20:18 <Plugh> It did for me the other day.
2015-08-05 20:18 <Plugh> I reset a git repo to 3 commits back then did git pull to get back to latest commit.
2015-08-05 20:18 <w-t-h_> e.,g  pull post-fixes, switch to older commit, switch to master, then pull post-fixes shows old commit not latest
2015-08-05 20:19 <Plugh> It shouldn't show old commit if you just changed branch. Did you not check out the branch when you switched?
2015-08-05 20:20 <w-t-h_> hmm mebbe i need to do a git reset
2015-08-05 20:22 <Plugh> check git status to check what branch you are on
2015-08-05 20:24 <w-t-h_> the more i think about fingers-to-temples telepathy that thing should be doable in the future
2015-08-05 20:56 <osmantis> Bug #7653:04 [Patch] Advanced Network Statistics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7653 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
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2015-08-05 21:12 <osmantis> Bug #7668:04 object description xmlns:xmlns: gets changed to xmlns: when transfered via HG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7668 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-05 22:05 <osmantis> Bug #6977:04 Limit see and chat with avatars of others parcels do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6977 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-05 22:28 <Plugh> What does "You can also use script creators as the uuid" refer to by "script creators"? The UUID of avatars writing a script, or who created a given script? I'm now sure how that differs from using "Allow_*" with specifying a UUID (of avatars?).
2015-08-05 22:38 <notskittles> i think the agent who created the script as opposed to the owner of the script.
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2015-08-06 03:41 <osmantis> Bug #7668:04 object description xmlns:xmlns: gets changed to xmlns: when transfered via HG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7668 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-08-06 13:15 <diva> mheilman ping
2015-08-06 13:34 <osmantis> Bug #7653:04 [Patch] Advanced Network Statistics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7653 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-06 13:36 <diva> CmrCupcake, about inventory folder numbers. So is it true that the viewer(s) expect the root folder to be 8? WHat about the numebr 9, is it reserved for something? And what about number -1, will the viewer understand that's a valid folder type? In other words, if we change the root folder back to 8 what should the Suitcase folder be numbered?
2015-08-06 13:39 <diva> CmdrCupcake ^^
2015-08-06 13:41 <CmdrCupcake> 9 isn't reserved for anything its invalid
2015-08-06 13:42 <osmantis> Bug #6792:04 [BULLETS SCENE]: ProcessPostTaintTaints: BSLinksetCompound... System.NullReferenceException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6792 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-06 13:42 <CmdrCupcake> diva, https://bitbucket.org/lindenlab/viewer-release/src/9f2f82e7c37127106b340b18c3a938f1ecf121cf/indra/llinventory/llfoldertype.h?at=default Pretty much look at the enum there for folderids
2015-08-06 13:43 <CmdrCupcake> None is exactly what it means, it's not a special folder of any sort
2015-08-06 13:43 <CmdrCupcake> None/-1
2015-08-06 13:43 <diva> so -1 would be ok?
2015-08-06 13:43 <CmdrCupcake> My Suitcase....that's a tough one
2015-08-06 13:43 <CmdrCupcake> -1 is basically a normal inventory folder
2015-08-06 13:44 <diva> do you know what the viewer does if it gets a number that's not in that enum?
2015-08-06 13:44 <diva> like 100
2015-08-06 13:44 <CmdrCupcake> invalid folder. 
2015-08-06 13:44 <diva> ok
2015-08-06 13:44 <CmdrCupcake> it'll mark it as such in the inventory cache
2015-08-06 13:44 <CmdrCupcake> but the folder will still work
2015-08-06 13:45 <diva> what about 9? is it also not recognized at all?
2015-08-06 13:45 <CmdrCupcake> if its not explicitly in that enum it's an unrecognized folder type/bad lookup
2015-08-06 13:46 <diva> ok, so we're stuck with -1 for Suitcase. Which is fine, I guess
2015-08-06 13:46 <diva> I'll send a message to opensim-dev to discuss changing the numbers
2015-08-06 13:46 <CmdrCupcake> You could just try to work something out between the various viewers in regards to some kind of official support for that
2015-08-06 13:47 <CmdrCupcake> Because as it stands we all have to go far far out of our way to support opensim anyways :P
2015-08-06 13:47 <diva> which viewer do you contribute to?
2015-08-06 13:47 <CmdrCupcake> I run the alchemy project.
2015-08-06 13:47 <CmdrCupcake> Cinder/notskittles is just finishing up opensim support \o/
2015-08-06 13:48 <CmdrCupcake> Also contributed to singularity for a time, still occasionally do.
2015-08-06 13:49 <diva> ok, so would you be ok with extending that enum with FT_SUITCASE = 100?
2015-08-06 13:53 <CmdrCupcake> Thinking about it haha 
2015-08-06 13:53 <CmdrCupcake> I don't think that would collide with the lindens...
2015-08-06 13:54 <diva> or -8, if that's even less collision-prone
2015-08-06 13:54 <LiruCookies> diva: You know I'm always available to fix stuff like that.
2015-08-06 13:54 <notskittles> maybe 64, they've still got a ways to go before reaching that and powers of 2 are good.
2015-08-06 13:55 <diva> <3 LiruCookies
2015-08-06 13:55 <notskittles> only other folder type i know of that they're adding in the near future is for windlights.
2015-08-06 13:55 <notskittles> (ll i mean)
2015-08-06 13:55 <LiruCookies> Singularity keeps close to Alchemy anyhow, so if Alchemy's going to pick up support for something, Singularity will merge it soon enough, depending on urgency.
2015-08-06 13:56 <notskittles> liru, alchemy has no opensim support until 10 days from now. :O
2015-08-06 13:56 <CmdrCupcake> yeah! it totally doesnt exist until 10 days <.< >.> *innocence*
2015-08-06 13:56 <LiruCookies> notskittles: Well yuh.
2015-08-06 13:57 <diva> ok, so let's do this. Let me start a discussion in opensim-dev about changing the root folder back to 8. That has some deeper implications, as people would need to update the DBs. I'm guessing that it's not a big deal if opensims continue to send 9 for a while? -- is that a wrong assumption?
2015-08-06 13:58 <notskittles> the viewer stack smashes on connect with ais3 if the root folder is 8.
2015-08-06 13:58 <notskittles> or i mean 9
2015-08-06 13:59 <diva> what's ais3?
2015-08-06 13:59 <CmdrCupcake> newest inventory system 
2015-08-06 13:59 <diva> so it crashes if it gets 9?
2015-08-06 13:59 <CmdrCupcake> yeah.
2015-08-06 13:59 <CmdrCupcake> we all just worked around it ish
2015-08-06 14:00 <CmdrCupcake> but it's ugly and breaks alot of subtle things
2015-08-06 14:00 <diva> oh, so you all have been doing hacks in viewers for opensim?
2015-08-06 14:00 <CmdrCupcake> firestorm or kokua probably did it first
2015-08-06 14:01 <notskittles> yus, that's why this didn't come up until now. with alchemy i started writing an opensim impl from scratch.
2015-08-06 14:01 <CmdrCupcake> they just check if they're connecting to not-secondlife and skip a few validation checks
2015-08-06 14:01 <diva> ok, that's good to know. 
2015-08-06 14:01 <diva> are you guys in the opensim-dev mailing list?
2015-08-06 14:01 <notskittles> armin had worked around it back in 2009.
2015-08-06 14:01 <notskittles> i am.
2015-08-06 14:01 <CmdrCupcake> I'm not. I am mailing list in-ept <.< 
2015-08-06 14:02 <diva> ok, I'm going to send a message there, please correct me if I say anything wrong
2015-08-06 14:02 <notskittles> ty
2015-08-06 14:04 <notskittles> i'm trying to find a mantis for it, but i know there's one quirky problem with buy contents that sometimes if you buy contents from an object they don't show up or they show up outside of the root folder, and that's directly related to this.
2015-08-06 14:04 <CmdrCupcake> yeah it is i saw it in the viewer code lol
2015-08-06 14:05 <notskittles> i want to change that to received items, tbh.
2015-08-06 14:05 <notskittles> have having my root folder so cluttered.
2015-08-06 14:05 <notskittles> *hate
2015-08-06 14:07 <notskittles> i'm gonna test changing that later..
2015-08-06 14:16 <diva> ok, message sent
2015-08-06 14:18 <notskittles> looks good.
2015-08-06 14:18 <notskittles> :)
2015-08-06 14:18 <diva> cool, walking the dog now
2015-08-06 14:18 <notskittles> ok enjoy.
2015-08-06 15:14 <Plugh> How do you find a git commit when you have the hash code but that code doesn't appear in the current branch of code?
2015-08-06 15:40 <Plugh> I can't find any history of libOMV before SVN commit #2744. The root folder ID was changed before that.
2015-08-06 15:46 <diva> libomv seems to have been under some confusion regarding this. They have one enum called AssetType that is being used to code folder types too. The patch that's waiting to be committed changes that by moving folder types to a new enum FolderType
2015-08-06 15:46 <diva> https://github.com/CmdrCupcake/libopenmetaverse/commit/c3572934a842300908ee271597460f74d9cd4744
2015-08-06 15:51 <Plugh> I'm still digging in to libOMV history to see see if I can find where it changed.
2015-08-06 15:52 <diva> maybe it never changed. But opensim started using AssetType.RootFOlder instead of AssetType.Folder at some point
2015-08-06 15:56 <Plugh> I have now tracked the issue down as existing since at least commit #ca268926 dated 2007-07-13 14:49:36 +0000
2015-08-06 15:57 <Plugh> At one point I saw Category=8 and Folder=8 in the same enum.
2015-08-06 15:58 <notskittles> there were other wrong types in that enum. i'm not sure i would even assume it was a deliberate choice.
2015-08-06 16:01 <Plugh> This is a time where I find hash codes useless. I have one but it tells me nothing about how many versions back that change was made compared to the version of file I'm looking at.
2015-08-06 16:03 <JeffKelley> is this up to date ? https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse/blob/master/OpenMetaverseTypes/Enums.cs
2015-08-06 16:25 <Plugh> yes, that is the latest, afaik
2015-08-06 16:26 <JeffKelley> there is a mix of folder types and item types ; types 5, 13, 14 and 16 are folders and are not obsolete ; 17 to 20 are items
2015-08-06 16:47 <diva> In my mind it's clear that libomv needs to be updated. OpenSim will catch on when AssetType.RootFolder will no longer exist and is replaced with FolderType.Root, which is 8.
2015-08-06 17:05 <lkalif> there is pull request about it
2015-08-06 17:06 <lkalif> i will take a look as soon as i can
2015-08-06 17:07 <linkedinyou> lkalif:  welcome back 
2015-08-06 17:07 <lkalif> thanks
2015-08-06 17:07 <diva> thanks, lkalif
2015-08-06 17:08 <osmantis> Bug #7669:04 llGodLikeRezObject not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7669 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-06 17:13 <lkalif> asset type in folder class is used to find fefault folder for types
2015-08-06 17:14 <lkalif> it's distinct from folder type
2015-08-06 17:15 <Plugh> I've tracked it back to March 2007. I'm starting to think it might have always been Root folder of 9.
2015-08-06 17:15 <lkalif> they used to be the same;
2015-08-06 17:16 <lkalif> i thought opensim didn't believe in enums anyway lol
2015-08-06 17:20 <notskittles> :O
2015-08-06 17:22 <lkalif> laters
2015-08-06 17:29 <osmantis> Bug #7669:04 llGodLikeRezObject not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7669 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-06 17:50 <Plugh> Finally found it has always been this way.
2015-08-06 18:03 <osmantis> Bug #7669:04 llGodLikeRezObject not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7669 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-06 18:25 <osmantis> Bug #7669:04 llGodLikeRezObject not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7669 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-06 18:33 <Plugh> smxy, nebadon: When you start instances from a common binary directory how do you deal with the config-include files? Do you have the instance OpenSim.ini file include from a common directory containing the ini's normally found in config-include?
2015-08-06 18:41 <nebadon> Plugh yes
2015-08-06 18:41 <Plugh> ok.
2015-08-06 18:41 <nebadon> everything is relative to what is set in OpenSim.ini
2015-08-06 18:41 <nebadon> so you can either A) combine everything into a single ini
2015-08-06 18:42 <nebadon> or B) change all the paths relative to your configuration
2015-08-06 18:43 <Plugh> I think it would have to be relative to the binary directory, maybe relative to the dir specified by -inidirectory if one used that (not sure if that makes it do a cd to the dir before trying to read ini's), or use an absolute path.
2015-08-06 18:44 <Plugh> Combining things in to a single ini file has to be done carefully to account for sections with the same name in different ini files. You have to merge the sections.
2015-08-06 18:44 <Plugh> I consider that a bug in how it reads ini files. It should just merge settings if a section name repeats.
2015-08-06 18:46 <nebadon> well even with a merge something will get overwritten if variables repeat but vary in settings
2015-08-06 18:46 <Plugh> I don't have a problem with that. That at least makes sense. The later setting should replace the earlier one.
2015-08-06 18:49 <Plugh> That is now the ini file reader I wrote works.
2015-08-06 18:49 <Plugh> s/now/how/
2015-08-06 18:52 <osmantis> Bug #7669:04 llGodLikeRezObject not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7669 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-06 18:57 <Plugh> I just tested again. As I thought from tests the other day, you can't use relative paths (ie ../blah) in include statement.
2015-08-06 19:04 <Plugh> I just ran a test and proved that you can't have two sections with the same name in a single file. It does work across separate files.
2015-08-06 19:05 <Plugh> I really need to fix that.
2015-08-06 19:07 <Plugh> Side note, gimp.org seems to have expired (although it was renewed today). No website, mailing list, or IRC channel.
2015-08-06 19:22 <diva> mheilman ping
2015-08-06 19:31 <mheilman> hello diva
2015-08-06 19:32 <diva> hi mheilman, do yo uhave time for a few Qs about the Moses patch?
2015-08-06 19:32 <mheilman> sure, I'll try as best as I can anyways
2015-08-06 19:32 <diva> ok, first Q: what's the xml rpc channel for?
2015-08-06 19:34 <mheilman> One of the new metrics collected is the connecting IP of the users in question.  We went back and forth with Melanie about security, and how she would like it to be handled
2015-08-06 19:35 <mheilman> The xmlrpc channel is the remote access point to query that data without dumping it to a disk
2015-08-06 19:35 <mheilman> As per melanie, it is also access restricted, in the same way as the remote admin plugin
2015-08-06 19:35 <diva> ok. Was there a reason not to use the RemoteAdmin plugin already in place?
2015-08-06 19:36 <diva> I mean, just add that extra method
2015-08-06 19:37 <mheilman> The method(s) are metrics specific, with independent control in the metrics ini section
2015-08-06 19:37 <mheilman> we thought it was better to keep them divided
2015-08-06 19:40 <diva> ok. In that case it might be better to do it either as a mono addin (like RemoteAdmin) or as a region module -- although I'm not sure region modules can add http listeners. Melanie_ are you around? The patch is modifying OpenSimBase in ways that don't seem right -- too much new code in that class for just this optional feature
2015-08-06 19:41 <Melanie_> RemoteAdmin is not a suitable framework
2015-08-06 19:41 <Melanie_> the Moses approach is good
2015-08-06 19:41 <diva> exactly as is? With that new code in OpenSimBase?
2015-08-06 19:42 <Melanie_> cn you link me to the patch? I haven't seen the actual code yet, just the concept discussions
2015-08-06 19:42 <diva> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/file_download.php?file_id=4350&type=bug
2015-08-06 19:42 <diva> look at the additions in OpenSimBase in particular. Those are the ones that don't look right
2015-08-06 19:46 <Melanie_> the implementation has architectural issues
2015-08-06 19:46 <Melanie_> diva, you're right that code should not be there
2015-08-06 19:46 <diva> yeah
2015-08-06 19:46 <diva> this should either be a plugin like remote admon or else a region module
2015-08-06 19:46 <diva> can region modules create new http listeners?
2015-08-06 19:46 <Melanie_> i can only surmise that the reason so much code was included in OpenSimBase and BaseOpenSimServer is to allow for opening that server and servicing requests before regions ar eloaded, or when no regions are loaded
2015-08-06 19:47 <Melanie_> there are two ways to go from there
2015-08-06 19:47 <AliciaRaven> diva, it is posible for region modules to add their own listeners, its some thing i have done before
2015-08-06 19:47 <Plugh> nebadon: fixed the texture issue.
2015-08-06 19:47 <nebadon> nice what was it?
2015-08-06 19:47 <Melanie_> #1, create an OpenSim Plugin, using the same interface as the RemoteAdmin one, move all the code from OpenSimBase and BaseOpenSimServer there
2015-08-06 19:48 <Plugh> Duplicate sections in one file.
2015-08-06 19:48 <Melanie_> or #2, have one port per loaded region and make it a region module
2015-08-06 19:48 <Plugh> nebadon: The second time a section name appears in a file it removes any settings from the first section.
2015-08-06 19:48 <Melanie_> now, here's my take
2015-08-06 19:48 <Plugh> nebadon: s/first section/first time the section appeared in the file/
2015-08-06 19:49 <Melanie_> there should be a StatsServerPlugin created using the OpenSim Plugin interface, which RemoteAdin also uses
2015-08-06 19:49 <Melanie_> that interface is intended to extend the base OpenSim functionlaity without modifying the deep down core code
2015-08-06 19:49 <diva> yes, that was exactly my reaction too
2015-08-06 19:50 <Melanie_> This Plugin should create the listener and serve requests, querying the region module registry for data from the regions
2015-08-06 19:50 <diva> I think this should be a plugin like remote admin
2015-08-06 19:50 <Melanie_> the stuff that was inserted into Scene.cs, et. al., should be moved into a region module
2015-08-06 19:50 <Melanie_> unless cause can be shown why it needs to be in Scene
2015-08-06 19:50 <diva> yep
2015-08-06 19:51 <diva> ok, we're on the same page
2015-08-06 19:51 <Melanie_> even then, if it's only about accessing data inaccessible to a region module, it is better to create general purpose accessors for that data in Scene
2015-08-06 19:51 <Melanie_> but do the actual work in a module
2015-08-06 19:51 <Melanie_> an OpenSim Plugin can access the sene list
2015-08-06 19:51 <Melanie_> and from each scene, the region module in question can be queried
2015-08-06 19:52 <Melanie_> since Plugins are always single instances; no plugin can be loaded twice; a Plugin can use a singleton-style architecture to allow access from a region modulw without an objet reference
2015-08-06 19:52 <Melanie_> e.g. StatsServerPlugin.Instance.DoSomething
2015-08-06 19:53 <Melanie_> if that is required
2015-08-06 19:53 <Melanie_> but that should not really be required
2015-08-06 19:53 <Melanie_> the server Plugin should instead iterate the scenes and query the data from the region modules loaded there
2015-08-06 19:53 <Melanie_> that ensures that, when people do not want this, it doesn't even cause extra code to be eecuted
2015-08-06 19:54 <Melanie_> depite the complex sound of this, it's actually a pretty straightforward refactor
2015-08-06 19:54 <diva> yes. mheilman, I'm not sure what you prefer. I/Melanie can take this patch and rewrite it completely or you can take this feedback to the writers of this code and tell them to rearchitect it. We'll probably be more effective at doing "the right thing" but probably slower...
2015-08-06 19:54 <Melanie_> all code that needs to be added already exists elsewhere in opensim
2015-08-06 19:54 <Melanie_> so it's mainly copypasta
2015-08-06 19:54 <diva> do you have time Melanie?
2015-08-06 19:55 <diva> I'm sort of busy this week with papers
2015-08-06 19:55 <Melanie_> not really much, unless paid for it
2015-08-06 19:55 <Melanie_> but i would contract for this or any other opensim work
2015-08-06 19:55 <Melanie_> if that is of interest to anyone
2015-08-06 19:58 <mheilman> I can take a copy of this up to Doug for any kind of decision.  Responses from here in the lab were more hopeful of getting the work in, and tehn having tickets filed against it, but rewriting it as a plugin may be too large for that
2015-08-06 19:59 <mheilman> I my self would prefer attempting to pass this along to the decision powers, along with having Melanie's suggestions placed on the mantis for the patch
2015-08-06 20:00 <mheilman> There is additional bureaucracy between the developers and myself since the first patch.
2015-08-06 20:00 <mheilman> but they monitor the mantis
2015-08-06 20:00 <diva> yeah, this requires a complete rearchitecture of the solution. The code is essentially right, but it's in the wrong places. It will be very good when it's done. Those server plugins are there for precisely these kinds of uses.
2015-08-06 20:00 <diva> Let me copy-paste this conversation in the mantis
2015-08-06 20:02 <osmantis> Bug #7669:04 llGodLikeRezObject not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7669 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-06 20:03 <mheilman> thanks diva
2015-08-06 20:07 <osmantis> Bug #7653:04 [Patch] Advanced Network Statistics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7653 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-06 20:07 <mheilman> diva, still around?
2015-08-06 20:09 <diva> yes
2015-08-06 20:10 <mheilman> I think it might be beneficial to share some of the politics over here, as it may shed some light on the responses you have been receiving from MOSES
2015-08-06 20:10 <diva> sure!
2015-08-06 20:11 <mheilman> I am in here daily, so I saw that a few of you weren't happy with the MOSES response
2015-08-06 20:11 <mheilman> Project moses is almost between a rock and a hard place
2015-08-06 20:11 <diva> :)
2015-08-06 20:12 <mheilman> Now that funding has been applied directly to our developers, they are bound to fulfill their obligations -- within reason, of course
2015-08-06 20:12 <diva> people complain a lot about everything! always need to keep focus on the end goal :)
2015-08-06 20:13 <mheilman> but they are a small lab in the next building over from me, here at the University of Central Florida
2015-08-06 20:13 <mheilman> So changes in the patches is pretty close to a work-stoppage for them.  Which is probably to be expected
2015-08-06 20:13 <diva> are they grad students and such?
2015-08-06 20:14 <mheilman> There are a couple full-timers, but they were hired directly from the program, so their experience is more academic than professional
2015-08-06 20:14 <mheilman> but anyways, I dont want to air any dirty laundry
2015-08-06 20:14 <diva> :) yeah I can see the picture :)
2015-08-06 20:14 <diva> it's hard to make such changes when one is not a master in this code base
2015-08-06 20:14 <mheilman> We are having difficulty with the feedback from opensim.  Not that there is feedback, but that it comes in rounds, and is interspersed with almost trivial requests
2015-08-06 20:15 <mheilman> Similar to how Melanie had not seen the patch until you copied it to her just now
2015-08-06 20:15 <mheilman> A response like that right out of the door when we first posted the patch 2 weeks ago would have been better
2015-08-06 20:16 <mheilman> The recent email from Doug likely contained some if this.  One version we get the feedback that our comments are not thorough enough, and the next patch says they are too thorough.
2015-08-06 20:16 <dahlia> mheilman: I sense Doug is under a lot of pressure. There are obviously a lot of cultural differences between OpenSim and MOSES. I'm not sure we are capable of making it easier for you as many of us just don't have a lot of time
2015-08-06 20:16 <diva> yeah, unfortunately many of us work in opensim upon windows of opportunity. I was pretty much out of the loop for the whole month of July
2015-08-06 20:16 <mheilman> So there is likely a little frustration from that, as there isn't a way to get a singl thorough code revioew
2015-08-06 20:16 <mheilman> I understand, but here comes the pinch
2015-08-06 20:17 <mheilman> The metrics work was not just for measuring opensim for the sake of it, but also to work as a starting point to measure performance as we start working with physx as a new physics plugin
2015-08-06 20:18 <mheilman> so if we stop to refix a patch several times, it will delay that funded work
2015-08-06 20:18 <mheilman> but if the patch is not accepted, and we run out of time, we have to continue with what we have, which is divergent code
2015-08-06 20:18 <mheilman> we dont want that
2015-08-06 20:19 <mheilman> And while I appreciate your offer above, though you are quite busy, a refactor on your side would also either be a work-stoppage for us, or we continue with what we have
2015-08-06 20:19 <dahlia> mheilman: I would probably suggest trying to find a core developer as an advocate and to work closely with you, maybe even pay him/her
2015-08-06 20:19 <diva> I understand. These are hard cultural differences, I'm afraid. The best, really, would be for Moses to contract a person who masters the OpenSim code base
2015-08-06 20:19 <diva> because what you are doing is very hard to get right
2015-08-06 20:19 <mheilman> I understand that as well, and we looked for someone to help us before
2015-08-06 20:19 <diva> every time my students do something in opensim I have to constanly look over their shoulders
2015-08-06 20:20 <mheilman> But as you might understand, Doug is a Federal worker, and there are limitations on who we can have working with/for us
2015-08-06 20:20 <diva> yes...
2015-08-06 20:20 <mheilman> So hiring Melanie, or Justin Clark-casey directly is very very difficult
2015-08-06 20:21 <dahlia> well I am a US citizen/taxpayer/whatever but my time is a bit limited lately
2015-08-06 20:21 <dahlia> Bluewall could probably use the money
2015-08-06 20:22 <mheilman> I'm not the decision maker, unfortunately, and we did secure some developers local to us, just not opensim core devs
2015-08-06 20:22 <mheilman> But anyways
2015-08-06 20:22 <diva> yeah. let's try to fix this soon, somehow. The intention behind these patches is great, and it will make opensim better. Lets try to make the bridge a bit smoother from here on
2015-08-06 20:22 <diva> Doug is coming to visit in September
2015-08-06 20:23 <diva> I'll talk to him
2015-08-06 20:23 <mheilman> Yeah, actually I think I'm coming too
2015-08-06 20:23 <diva> oh great!
2015-08-06 20:23 <dmiles_afk> has ther ebeen any feature differnce between OpenSim and MOSES?
2015-08-06 20:24 <mheilman> no, we like vanilla opensim.  Most of our(my) work has been in tools like MGM
2015-08-06 20:24 <dmiles_afk> as in wants/needs divergances
2015-08-06 20:24 <diva> afk for a bit
2015-08-06 20:24 <dahlia> anyway I would suggest getting feedback while the patches are being developed, not after
2015-08-06 20:24 <mheilman> A lot of other federal and military organizations use opensim too
2015-08-06 20:24 <dahlia> perhaps have your devs come to this channel
2015-08-06 20:24 <mheilman> I would agree, and we may need to persue something like that
2015-08-06 20:25 <mheilman> assuming the new bureaucracy isn't in the way.
2015-08-06 20:25 <dahlia> because giving us anything after it's developed is likely going to need revision. Happens to everyone
2015-08-06 20:25 <mheilman> Is there a recognized way to open a mantis without a patch, when we have the intention of working it ourselves?
2015-08-06 20:25 <dahlia> sure, bug or feature request I think
2015-08-06 20:26 <dahlia> but still good to use this channel
2015-08-06 20:26 <mheilman> I can try to pass it along, although I wont want this copy-pasted around
2015-08-06 20:26 <dahlia> and the mailing list, as long as it doesn't attract too many armchair devs ;)
2015-08-06 20:26 <mheilman> I can be offensive, and dont want to hang myself with my coworkers
2015-08-06 20:26 <dahlia> lol
2015-08-06 20:26 <dahlia> we con be offensive :)
2015-08-06 20:27 <dmiles_afk> one thing i look forward to is when MOSES needs something (for exmaple there seemed to be excitement over the distributited scenes (DSG?) )  if any supoport in the core needs doing then its more likely to get in?
2015-08-06 20:27 <dahlia> oh wait.. you guys have all the big guns *hides*
2015-08-06 20:27 <mheilman> dmiles, that one was easy, we were working with Intel on it, at least one of whom is a core opensim dev
2015-08-06 20:28 <dmiles_afk> right on
2015-08-06 20:28 <dahlia> that was all a fork too
2015-08-06 20:28 <mheilman> and all very stale now
2015-08-06 20:29 <dahlia> pity
2015-08-06 20:29 <mheilman> it also only worked with many things turned off
2015-08-06 20:29 <dmiles_afk> yeah.. that secretly annoys me.. all forks do
2015-08-06 20:29 <mheilman> So, as I was trying to get to before we got all social
2015-08-06 20:29 <dmiles_afk> the reason for forking i sometimes felt was political (nothing to do with MOSES) 
2015-08-06 20:29 <mheilman> The schedule is starting to pinch us, and if we cant get our changes into opensim core, we will have effectively forked :(
2015-08-06 20:30 <dmiles_afk> for exmaple.. I am about to Fork :(
2015-08-06 20:30 <dmiles_afk> though i have enough to keep me too busy so maybe it wont be an issue by then :P
2015-08-06 20:30 <mheilman> But the work we are doing is very hard to get put in using a patch, lots of discussion and a git pull would probably be better for what we're doing
2015-08-06 20:30 <dahlia> forking certainly can increase the amount of work
2015-08-06 20:31 <dmiles_afk> yeah.. actualy any work anyone does kind of is that way
2015-08-06 20:31 <dmiles_afk>  very hard to get put in using a patch + lots of discussion
2015-08-06 20:31 <mheilman> I'm afraid we might end up that route, but as we are funded and cranking on the code, reconciliation later will be hard
2015-08-06 20:32 <dahlia> I do most of my personal stuff in modules, and if I need something in core to support something, I add it to core
2015-08-06 20:32 <dahlia> hopefully in a way that benefits others
2015-08-06 20:32 <dmiles_afk> yeah if we can sometimes make even the wildest and biggest actualy happen via modules.. (sounds hard) but then making the core more module dependant makes it seem less work later
2015-08-06 20:33 <mheilman> well I have to bugger off, my 3 little girls will wonder where I am
2015-08-06 20:34 <dahlia> cya :)
2015-08-06 20:34 <dmiles_afk> ttys
2015-08-06 20:34 <dmiles_afk> sounds crazy but why cant just anyone jsut become an opensim deve editing and doing stuff?
2015-08-06 20:35 <dmiles_afk> as long as continuous integration is ultra hardcore :)
2015-08-06 20:35 <dahlia> hack away, submit patches :)
2015-08-06 20:35 <dmiles_afk> (since i assume its all about quality control)
2015-08-06 20:36 <dmiles_afk> (also peoipel removing stuff they dont understand)
2015-08-06 20:36 <dahlia> if you make good patches people like and you do a good job of supporting them you will likely be invited to core
2015-08-06 20:36 <dahlia> basically thats how it works
2015-08-06 20:38 <dmiles_afk> i guess that makes sense :)
2015-08-06 20:39 <dahlia> well if you make good patches and do a good job of supporting them but then you have a secret life of greifing on Melanie's grid, you likely *wont* be invited to core ;)
2015-08-06 20:41 <dmiles_afk> one of the edits i plan to do next year is to replace is add a persistnce module to a  CYC database .. but also i am going to have to add a special registration whenever a new object greats create it has to  register  Persistency.IAmAObject(this);
2015-08-06 20:42 <dmiles_afk> so i cna sync external changes to some types of object (changes made in the database and not over the network)
2015-08-06 20:43 <dmiles_afk> i'd end up doinmg all sorts of  Persistency.IAmAObject(this);  .. yet probly not even know for a while which ones i actually care got registered
2015-08-06 20:44 <dmiles_afk> so here is the question..   #if PERSISTENY_REGISTRATE   all over makes that more palitable?
2015-08-06 20:46 <dahlia> I'm not sure I understand the goal
2015-08-06 20:46 <dahlia> you mean objects persisted in the database?
2015-08-06 20:46 <dmiles_afk> teh goal is that most changes happen over the network.. but i am working on a system where changes can happen outside of the what clients are making happen
2015-08-06 20:47 <dmiles_afk> so often i might want to change a property
2015-08-06 20:47 <dahlia> like if scripts change things?
2015-08-06 20:47 <dmiles_afk> the registration is just so i can know what is out there that i might want to change
2015-08-06 20:48 <dmiles_afk> right if a scriot changes something.. i want to know asap
2015-08-06 20:48 <dmiles_afk> if i change something i want to have clients know asap
2015-08-06 20:48 <dahlia> there are events you can subscribe to when things change
2015-08-06 20:48 <dahlia> EventManager has a zillion of them
2015-08-06 20:49 <dmiles_afk> true yeah.. .. in a way i might almost look and feel like a script object
2015-08-06 20:49 <dahlia> 
ACTION likes the EventManager

2015-08-06 20:49 <dmiles_afk> (as far as when i change sometng and nicely an event will fire  (as if i was script))
2015-08-06 20:49 <dahlia> script, client, oar load, whatever
2015-08-06 20:50 <dmiles_afk> many events in event mananger are intrersting to client right? (i am going and looking at code in a minute)
2015-08-06 20:50 <dahlia> anyway I need to go afk, gl :)
2015-08-06 20:50 <dmiles_afk> arent i meant
2015-08-06 20:51 <dahlia> well many events in EventManager have client analogs but may not be via EventManager
2015-08-06 20:51 <dahlia> anyway I do need to afk
2015-08-06 20:51 <dahlia> bye
2015-08-06 20:51 <dmiles_afk> ok.. will do i think EventManager might solve it.. at wost i migh thave to add events to event mananger then
2015-08-06 20:51 <dmiles_afk> *nod* thank you
2015-08-06 20:56 <osmantis> Bug #7653:04 [Patch] Advanced Network Statistics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7653 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-08-06 20:59 <osmantis> Bug #7653:04 [Patch] Advanced Network Statistics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7653 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-06 21:41 <osmantis> Bug #7653:04 [Patch] Advanced Network Statistics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7653 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-06 21:47 <osmantis> Bug #7659:04 Support for max-agent-groups login param 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7659 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-06 22:04 <osmantis> Bug #7659:04 Support for max-agent-groups login param 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7659 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-06 23:43 <osmantis> Bug #7659:04 Support for max-agent-groups login param 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7659 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-07 00:36 <osmantis> Bug #7669:04 llGodLikeRezObject not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7669 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-07 03:01 <osmantis> Bug #6792:04 [BULLETS SCENE]: ProcessPostTaintTaints: BSLinksetCompound... System.NullReferenceException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6792 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-07 03:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #4266 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-07 03:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4266: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4266/
2015-08-07 03:10 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: rearrange code and add some tests to try and resolve the
2015-08-07 04:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #4267 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-07 04:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4267: SUCCESS in 4 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4267/
2015-08-07 04:54 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: clean up some code for axis locking. No functional change.
2015-08-07 08:38 <osmantis> Bug #7659:04 Support for max-agent-groups login param 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7659 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-07 08:39 <osmantis> Bug #7667:04 Added a new script function and changed existing to make IM and inventory possible for unknown HG users 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7667 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-07 08:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #4268 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-07 08:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4268: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4268/
2015-08-07 08:48 <osjenkins> * orenh: max-agent-groups support
2015-08-07 08:48 <osjenkins> * orenh: Have osAvatarName2Key check the cache first, even for foreign users
2015-08-07 14:17 <osmantis> Bug #7673:04 Extra moving_end triggered by llSetKeyframedMotion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7673 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-07 14:27 <osmantis> Bug #7669:04 llGodLikeRezObject not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7669 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-07 14:51 <lkalif> CmdrCupcake: I dont't undestand the neccesity of your patch, why not just update AssetType enum and add the new folder types in therre, they are not conflicting.
2015-08-07 14:52 <lkalif> That would avoid a lot of client code rewriting, and I see no downside
2015-08-07 14:52 <lkalif> or someone else understands the issue who can help me out?
2015-08-07 14:53 <lkalif> diva: ?
2015-08-07 14:53 <diva> lkalif, I read that patch as an attempt to clarify things conceptually. We'd be talking about foldert types rather than asset types
2015-08-07 14:54 <lkalif> they are the same, or used to be
2015-08-07 14:54 <lkalif> non-interlaping numbers
2015-08-07 14:54 <diva> well, there is no such thing as a RootFolder asset
2015-08-07 14:55 <diva> or a CurrentOutfit asset
2015-08-07 14:55 <lkalif> thee is no such thing as trash either
2015-08-07 14:55 <diva> right
2015-08-07 14:55 <lkalif> but it has always been the same enum, lindens keep it non-overlapping too
2015-08-07 14:56 <diva> so conceptually it makes sense to have two separate things. The numbers don't collide, but still. But either way works for opensim. We just need RootFolder to have the right number
2015-08-07 14:56 <lkalif> well perhaps it's a good refactor, but it does require a lot of code change
2015-08-07 14:56 <diva> yeah...
2015-08-07 14:57 <lkalif> you don't use root enum anyway :P
2015-08-07 14:57 <diva> do what you think is best. From the opensim perspective, we just need that correct number for RootFolder
2015-08-07 14:57 <diva> we do!
2015-08-07 14:57 <diva> in fact this whole thing with root inventory happened when I (I think it was me) started creating inventories using AssetType.RootFolder!
2015-08-07 14:58 <diva> I assume that's what it meant :)
2015-08-07 14:58 <diva> assumed
2015-08-07 14:58 <lkalif> it should just be assettype.Folder
2015-08-07 14:58 <diva> so what's RootFolder?
2015-08-07 14:59 <lkalif> let me se the existing code
2015-08-07 14:59 <lkalif> yes Folder is 8, RootFolder 9
2015-08-07 15:00 <diva> right. I used RootFolder, but the viewer expects 8 for the root folder
2015-08-07 15:00 <diva> so the enum should be changed, at least
2015-08-07 15:00 <lkalif> i guess lindens changed to using just Folder 
2015-08-07 15:00 <diva> the viewer does not use 9 for anything apparently
2015-08-07 15:00 <diva> no, they use RootFolder=8
2015-08-07 15:00 <lkalif> or you could just use folder ;)
2015-08-07 15:01 <lkalif> now Folder = 8
2015-08-07 15:01 <diva> let's just change it :)
2015-08-07 15:01 <Plugh> Where is the code using the "Folder" enum and will that cause problems if it is removed to use 8 for RootFolder?
2015-08-07 15:02 <lkalif> just s/AssetType.RootFolder/AssetType.Folder in Opensim
2015-08-07 15:02 <diva> lkalif no :)
2015-08-07 15:02 <diva> let's fix this
2015-08-07 15:02 <diva> I already fell for it once, let's not have more people fall
2015-08-07 15:02 <diva> let me show you the Linden';s enum
2015-08-07 15:03 <diva> https://bitbucket.org/lindenlab/viewer-release/src/9f2f82e7c37127106b340b18c3a938f1ecf121cf/indra/llinventory/llfoldertype.h?at=default#llfoldertype.h-55
2015-08-07 15:04 <diva> only root folders are 8. all other folders are None (-1)
2015-08-07 15:04 <lkalif> well lets just bute the bullet and apply the  whole patch
2015-08-07 15:04 <lkalif> do you dare? ;)
2015-08-07 15:04 <diva> yeah, I'd say go for it! :)
2015-08-07 15:04 <diva> do you want me to do it?
2015-08-07 15:04 <lkalif> ok
2015-08-07 15:04 <diva> really?
2015-08-07 15:05 <lkalif> i'll do it, Radegast will need some updates ;)
2015-08-07 15:05 <diva> coolio!
2015-08-07 15:05 <diva> thanks
2015-08-07 15:05 <diva> I'll pick up the new libomv for opensim later when you have it
2015-08-07 15:05 <lkalif> texture being 0 is really stupid
2015-08-07 15:05 <Plugh> There are places in the OpenSim code that uses AssetType.Folder so if RootFolder is changed to 8 what should value should be assigned to Folder?
2015-08-07 15:06 <lkalif> and shape for assets
2015-08-07 15:49 <lkalif> 46 errors
2015-08-07 15:49 <diva> o that patch?!
2015-08-07 15:49 <diva> on
2015-08-07 15:49 <diva> eek
2015-08-07 15:49 <diva> in libomv?
2015-08-07 16:05 <notskittles> 46 errors how? it built for me. if you just tried to apply it as a patch and it failed it's probably because of all the crazy mixed line endings everywhere.
2015-08-07 16:29 <lkalif> in radegast
2015-08-07 16:29 <lkalif> most are trivial
2015-08-07 16:30 <lkalif> c# ++ :D
2015-08-07 16:30 <lkalif> notskittles: was pull  #25 yours?
2015-08-07 16:31 <notskittles> yeah.
2015-08-07 16:31 <notskittles> oh, yeah, i didn't try with radegast.
2015-08-07 16:32 <notskittles> the xptools thing.
2015-08-07 16:36 <lkalif> yeah
2015-08-07 16:36 <lkalif> got radegast to build and load inv
2015-08-07 16:37 <lkalif> notskittles: thanks, it's  merged
2015-08-07 16:37 <notskittles> np. :)
2015-08-07 16:38 <lkalif> diva: here it comes
2015-08-07 16:44 <notskittles> lkalif: you might want to change the copyright in the header for libomv too. it all says openmetaverse.org and that's domain squatted now, isn't it? :O
2015-08-07 16:47 <lkalif> yup
2015-08-07 16:48 <lkalif> will do some perl pie :P
2015-08-07 16:48 <notskittles> \o/
2015-08-07 16:48 <lkalif> CmdrCupcake: patch merged thanks
2015-08-07 20:14 <dahlia> when did that root folder number become an issue? I remember inventory seemed to work ok when using the stock SL viewer with binary patched login uri
2015-08-07 20:18 <linkedinyou> since the beguning the RootFolder the same i had search all repo all the same https://github.com/CmdrCupcake/libopenmetaverse/commit/c3572934a842300908ee271597460f74d9cd4744#diff-69d47c9983d76011c57aa00e3bbf7d33L94
2015-08-07 20:19 <linkedinyou> dahlia: that mean we used to a corrupted inventory issues and used to it :)
2015-08-07 20:21 <linkedinyou> is it changed now https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse/blob/master/OpenMetaverseTypes/Enums.cs#L75
2015-08-07 20:21 <dahlia> well I guess its possible that inventory was corrupted and I didnt notice
2015-08-07 20:21 <dahlia> last I tried was when I was doing materials and the only viewer with a full inplementation was the SL beta viewer
2015-08-07 20:21 <linkedinyou> this one https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse/blob/master/OpenMetaverseTypes/Enums.cs#L130
2015-08-07 20:22 <dahlia> and I did have to test with inventory so I knew materials would persist going into inventory and back out
2015-08-07 20:23 <linkedinyou> LL telling it is 8 since lng time why never we change it https://bitbucket.org/lindenlab/viewer-release/src/9f2f82e7c37127106b340b18c3a938f1ecf121cf/indra/llinventory/llfoldertype.h?at=default#llfoldertype.h-55
2015-08-07 20:23 <linkedinyou> long*
2015-08-07 20:23 <CmdrCupcake> Oh thats a funny thing
2015-08-07 20:23 <CmdrCupcake> Why did you ever binary patch the loginuri?
2015-08-07 20:24 <CmdrCupcake> It accepts a grids.xml file in the AppData/SecondLife/user_settings folder
2015-08-07 20:24 <dahlia> because I needed that viewer as it was the only one with a working materials system
2015-08-07 20:24 <dahlia> oh didnt know that file
2015-08-07 20:29 <CmdrCupcake> Yeah I was always curious how LL logged into their internal grids from the viewer due to the hardcoded list and I found that after poking around
2015-08-07 20:34 <dahlia> does that file normally exist or does it need to be created?
2015-08-07 20:36 <CmdrCupcake> You have to create it
2015-08-07 20:36 <CmdrCupcake> https://gist.github.com/CmdrCupcake/e139dddd4117231b51e1 <- there's an example
2015-08-07 20:49 <dahlia> ty
2015-08-07 20:56 <dahlia> heh seconlife.com has a big orange button in a prominent place "Play for Free" - I guess that settles the argument about whether it's a game or not ;D
2015-08-07 21:10 <lkalif> marketing at LL ;)
2015-08-07 21:10 <diva> lkalif mind if I add Suitcase to that enum?
2015-08-07 21:10 <diva> the viewer devs are adding it to theirs
2015-08-07 21:10 <lkalif> nope
2015-08-07 21:10 <diva> k, thanks
2015-08-07 21:11 <LiruCookies> Yeah, I've already added it in my stuff.
2015-08-07 21:11 <diva> cool!
2015-08-07 21:11 <lkalif> the neww libomv is .net 4 too now
2015-08-07 21:12 <lkalif> since you last merged
2015-08-07 21:12 <diva> hmm do I need to fdo anything for this to compile? I'm getting 2 errors
2015-08-07 21:12 <diva> LodMeshes does not exist and Gtk could not be found
2015-08-07 21:12 <lkalif> re-ren prebuild?
2015-08-07 21:12 <lkalif> run
2015-08-07 21:12 <diva> ok. I used the 2012 is that ok?
2015-08-07 21:13 <lkalif> yes all to 2015
2015-08-07 21:13 <diva> odd still getting those errors
2015-08-07 21:13 <lkalif> just use 2012 prebuild
2015-08-07 21:13 <lkalif> hmm gtk should be commentedd out 
2015-08-07 21:14 <diva> I did runprebuild2012.bat -- I'm on Windows
2015-08-07 21:14 <lkalif> perhaps i commited by mistake
2015-08-07 21:14 <diva> it's not commented out
2015-08-07 21:14 <diva> let me confirm on github
2015-08-07 21:15 <lkalif> open prebuild.xml and see GridProxyGui project
2015-08-07 21:16 <dahlia> why is it that I download the latest SL viewer from secondlife.com, and log in just after installing, and it tells me it's downloading an update? :/
2015-08-07 21:16 <dahlia> nice one, LL :P
2015-08-07 21:16 <diva>       <Reference name="gtk-sharp"/>
2015-08-07 21:17 <diva> ?
2015-08-07 21:17 <lkalif> diva: yeah, just comment out <Project name="GridProxyGUI" path="Programs/GridProxyGUI" 
2015-08-07 21:17 <lkalif> ...
2015-08-07 21:17 <diva> ok
2015-08-07 21:17 <lkalif> </Project>
2015-08-07 21:17 <lkalif> my mistake
2015-08-07 21:18 <diva> np
2015-08-07 21:18 <diva> that worked!
2015-08-07 21:18 <lkalif> you can also commit that
2015-08-07 21:18 <diva> k
2015-08-07 21:19 <lkalif> asking people to install gtk# would be a bit too much ;)
2015-08-07 21:20 <diva> pushed
2015-08-07 21:20 <lkalif> thanks
2015-08-07 21:21 <lkalif> GridProxyGui is GTK version of WinGridProxy
2015-08-07 21:21 <lkalif> it works better than WGP ;)
2015-08-07 21:22 <CmdrCupcake> lkalif: the omv testclient cant empty trash anymore :D
2015-08-07 21:22 <CmdrCupcake> its weird.
2015-08-07 21:22 <diva> is that related to these changes CmdrCupcake?
2015-08-07 21:23 <CmdrCupcake> I don't think so. Feels secondlife inventory related-ish 
2015-08-07 21:23 <lkalif> http://download.xamarin.com/GTKforWindows/Windows/gtk-sharp-2.12.26.msi
2015-08-07 21:24 <lkalif> CmdrCupcake: there was a bug with that
2015-08-07 21:24 <lkalif> need to use http inv
2015-08-07 21:24 <lkalif> try Radegast nightly
2015-08-07 21:24 <LiruCookies> AISv3
2015-08-07 21:24 <lkalif> no
2015-08-07 21:24 <lkalif> http inv
2015-08-07 21:25 <lkalif> trash emptying was deleted from udp
2015-08-07 21:26 <diva> oh wow someone put in an HGFSAssets while I was away? :)
2015-08-07 21:26 <lkalif> btw you need to restart windows after installing GTK#
2015-08-07 21:31 <diva> ah lovely... I think I'm going to get me a glass of chilled wine while I fix the thousand occurrences of AssetType.something in OpenSim :)
2015-08-07 21:32 <diva> and, as usual, this is taking me to parts of the code I had never been before
2015-08-07 21:33 <lkalif> radegast ad 46 errors
2015-08-07 21:33 <diva> does this ring a bell with anyone? application/vnd.ll.rootfolder
2015-08-07 21:34 <lkalif> that's content type for http inventory
2015-08-07 21:34 <lkalif> for caps
2015-08-07 21:34 <diva> ok
2015-08-07 21:34 <diva> I bet libomv also defines these...?
2015-08-07 21:34 <lkalif> nope
2015-08-07 21:35 <diva> it doesn't
2015-08-07 21:35 <diva> good
2015-08-07 21:35 <lkalif> LL sends ints
2015-08-07 21:36 <lkalif> inwordz sends these, so libomv doesn't work with them with http inv
2015-08-07 21:41 <smxy> Is this an imporper way to change the name of the estate whose console I'm at? estate set name 101 "The Arcadia Asylum Living Library"
2015-08-07 21:41 <smxy> improper*
2015-08-07 21:42 <smxy> It spewed an error
2015-08-07 21:42 <smxy> http://pastebin.com/Vhx64kha
2015-08-07 21:46 <nebadon> smxy i just tried and it worked
2015-08-07 21:46 <smxy> Apparently that's what you get when the name is too long, as when I dropped "Living" from it, it works.
2015-08-07 21:46 <nebadon> it says 101 when you type "estate show"
2015-08-07 21:47 <nebadon> oh ok
2015-08-07 21:47 <smxy> Not a terribly helpful message
2015-08-07 21:49 <diva> I hate it when the first of a 1000 changes gets me all puzzled
2015-08-07 21:51 <diva> oh man, let's see who wrote this...
2015-08-07 21:53 <lkalif> diva: changing from AssetType.RootFolder to AssetType.Folder would have been soo easy :P
2015-08-07 21:53 <diva> the confusing part is that there is still an AssetType.Folder that maps to 8!!!
2015-08-07 21:53 <diva> so now I"m all confuzzled with AssetTypw, FolderType and InventoryType! 3!
2015-08-07 21:54 <lkalif> uh oh, forgot about InventoryType
2015-08-07 21:55 <lkalif> InventoryType is for items
2015-08-07 21:56 <lkalif> so you can have texture and snapshot as diffeent inv types but same assey type
2015-08-07 21:56 <diva> and the first change I came across in OpenSim is one that maps AssetTypes to InventoryTypes
2015-08-07 21:57 <lkalif> so you have no snapshots in opeensim?
2015-08-07 21:57 <lkalif> different inv icon?
2015-08-07 21:57 <diva> 1 sec, phone
2015-08-07 22:06 <diva> is there such a thing as an asset that's a folder?! I don't think there is
2015-08-07 22:06 <diva> at least we don't have them in opensim
2015-08-07 22:08 <governor> hello :)
2015-08-07 22:09 <CmdrCupcake> nebadon: Why does the osgrid login uri not set the correct urls for the registration and forgot password fields? :O 
2015-08-07 22:09 <nebadon> it should
2015-08-07 22:10 <governor> i am wishing to run a grid in a way which i can utilize SQLite rather than MySQL for providing teh storage dbs.. I understand it is not advised or... suggested in a ny way and i will accept this :D if only someone may point me in the correct way that i might achieve this for my grids? i know its not impossible because i have teh source lol... anyone please help :D
2015-08-07 22:10 <CmdrCupcake> I'm getting http://www.osgrid.org for both those fields
2015-08-07 22:12 <diva> governor, this is a development channel. Try to get help in the opensim-users or osgrid channels
2015-08-07 22:19 <linkedinyou> inventoryfolders Records details concerning the avatar's inventory organisation, specifically the folders. No information about contents of the folders is in this table.
2015-08-07 22:23 <linkedinyou> When assetType is 24, the item is a link. In this case, assetID is not the id of the asset. It is instead the inventoryID of another inventory item, whose assetID points to the target asset
2015-08-07 22:26 <linkedinyou> LibraryRootFolder.CreateItem(LLUUID inventoryID, LLUUID assetID, string name, string description, int assetType, int invType, LLUUID parentFolderID) 0.0000 0.0000 9 LibraryRootFolder.cs
2015-08-07 22:29 <lkalif> why pass ints FFS
2015-08-07 22:39 <osmantis> Bug #7674:04 Ground sit on normal terrain makes camera position drift forward, and then upon standing, the avatar move forward. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7674 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-07 22:42 <osmantis> Bug #7674:04 Ground sit on normal terrain makes camera position drift forward, and then upon standing, the avatar move forward. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7674 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-07 22:45 <lkalif> CmdrCupcake: how do I checkout from github in vs2015
2015-08-07 22:46 <CmdrCupcake> lkalif: The github for Visual Studio plugin
2015-08-07 22:47 <CmdrCupcake> I think you can also do it normally through plain git in the team explorer panel
2015-08-07 22:50 <lkalif> ah team explorer panel. yes
2015-08-08 00:50 <diva> lkalif are you still around?
2015-08-08 00:54 <diva> any viewer devs around who can explain to me what AT_CATEGORY is?
2015-08-08 00:54 <CmdrCupcake> uhh
2015-08-08 00:55 <CmdrCupcake> one moment i need to go stare at the inventory bridge 
2015-08-08 00:56 <diva> thanks. I can read the comment but I have no idea what that maps to in the actions on inventory
2015-08-08 00:56 <diva> 		AT_CATEGORY = 8,
2015-08-08 00:56 <diva> 			// Holds a collection of inventory items.
2015-08-08 00:56 <diva> 			// It's treated as an item in the inventory and therefore needs a type.
2015-08-08 00:56 <diva> is this a folder?
2015-08-08 00:56 <CmdrCupcake> AT_CATEGORY is the asset type for folders i think
2015-08-08 00:56 <diva> do they store folders as assets in the Linden world?
2015-08-08 00:57 <diva> oh man, it's not only us who got all confused on this one. The Lindens started it :)
2015-08-08 00:57 <CmdrCupcake> yes yes they did
2015-08-08 00:58 <diva> that explains a lot :)
2015-08-08 00:58 <diva> opensim doesn't store folders as assets
2015-08-08 00:58 <diva> but ok, i get it now. Thanks
2015-08-08 00:58 <CmdrCupcake> folders are technically assets from what i can see yeah
2015-08-08 00:59 <CmdrCupcake> It doesn't help that they have three seperate enums to handle what are relatively the same concepts :P
2015-08-08 01:26 <CmdrCupcake> diva: Cinder will be on in a few if you have any other questions about it
2015-08-08 02:38 <diva> we're also messing up the codes of several system folders
2015-08-08 02:39 <CmdrCupcake> which ones? :O
2015-08-08 02:39 <diva> or maybe not... I'm looking
2015-08-08 02:39 <diva> we were using the code coming from the asset types
2015-08-08 02:40 <CmdrCupcake> most of the codes are the same-ish
2015-08-08 02:40 <nebadon> if we had folder codes wrong they would show wrong icons
2015-08-08 02:40 <nebadon> so i suspect we are not
2015-08-08 02:40 <diva> but many of them match, the asset type and system folder for that type
2015-08-08 02:41 <nebadon> system folders all have unique icons that is determined by the number I thought
2015-08-08 02:43 <diva> what the heck is the BasicRoot folder CmdrCupcake?
2015-08-08 02:44 <CmdrCupcake> We have no idea what the lindens were going to do with that lol
2015-08-08 02:44 <nebadon> haha
2015-08-08 02:44 <nebadon> do we ever?
2015-08-08 02:44 <CmdrCupcake> its like ensembles
2015-08-08 02:44 <CmdrCupcake> some idea that they had that never panned out 
2015-08-08 02:44 <CmdrCupcake> nebadon: The default outfit for new users on osgrid is broken btw
2015-08-08 02:45 <nebadon> what is wrong with it?
2015-08-08 02:45 <CmdrCupcake> the wearable types are all skins
2015-08-08 02:45 <nebadon> huh wierd
2015-08-08 02:45 <CmdrCupcake> i tested it twice
2015-08-08 02:45 <nebadon> I havent looked at that stuff in ages
2015-08-08 02:46 <CmdrCupcake> might want to look into it, its a tiny bit odd lol
2015-08-08 02:53 <diva> there's a bunch of system folder that opensim doesn't currently create
2015-08-08 02:54 <diva> Mesh, Inbox, Outbox, EmsembleStart... what's all this?
2015-08-08 02:54 <nebadon> probably marketplace stuff
2015-08-08 02:54 <nebadon> you can control your marketplace account from inventory now
2015-08-08 02:55 <nebadon> not sure about Mesh, maybe they dont push mesh uploads to Objects, but its own folder
2015-08-08 03:00 <CmdrCupcake> Ensembles are unused.
2015-08-08 03:00 <CmdrCupcake> Just kinda ignore it
2015-08-08 03:00 <CmdrCupcake> Mesh is also unused
2015-08-08 03:01 <CmdrCupcake> Originally mesh was going to be its own asset type instead of piggybacking on object/sculpt
2015-08-08 03:01 <nebadon> ya the initial mesh testing was really wierd
2015-08-08 03:01 <nebadon> it worked like sculpty
2015-08-08 03:01 <nebadon> you had to apply the mesh to a prim
2015-08-08 03:02 <CmdrCupcake> yeah they just automated that lol
2015-08-08 03:02 <CmdrCupcake> its still technically a "Sculpt"
2015-08-08 03:02 <CmdrCupcake> 
ACTION hates the bloody viewer

2015-08-08 03:03 <nebadon> lol ya
2015-08-08 03:03 <CmdrCupcake> nebadon: Yeah the wearable type flag on the initial basic outfit for osgrid are all skin
2015-08-08 03:03 <CmdrCupcake> :o
2015-08-08 03:03 <nebadon> ok strange, I wont get a chance to look at that today, but when I get some time I will check it out
2015-08-08 03:04 <CmdrCupcake> https://gist.github.com/CmdrCupcake/5a2d56fcd6622f869dd1 <- asset dump
2015-08-08 03:10 <diva> I just found a poem in the middle of OpenSim  :)
2015-08-08 03:10 <diva> lol
2015-08-08 03:11 <danbanner> where?
2015-08-08 03:11 <diva> heheh it was Melanie
2015-08-08 03:11 <diva> it's not a real poem, but it looks like one :)
2015-08-08 03:11 <danbanner> lol
2015-08-08 03:11 <diva> the way the code is indented
2015-08-08 03:12 <diva> it has a strong ending too !
2015-08-08 03:12 <nebadon> haha
2015-08-08 03:12 <diva> http://pastebin.com/VqHmC2mv
2015-08-08 03:13 <diva> lol
2015-08-08 03:14 <diva> it's very unusual indentation, I'll just leave it alone cos it's kinda cute
2015-08-08 03:17 <dahlia> 
ACTION thinks maybe diva could use a little sleep....

2015-08-08 03:17 <CmdrCupcake> 
ACTION is staring into the dark corners of the viewer and learning about how baking works

2015-08-08 03:18 <diva> I swear, doing these massive refactorings is almost like going on vacation to a strange/fun/scary place
2015-08-08 03:18 <dahlia> I wrote the original baker in libomv so I have a few clues
2015-08-08 03:19 <dahlia> diva:  well strange and scary maybe 
2015-08-08 03:19 <CmdrCupcake> The baker in the viewer is not a fun pile of code to ever have to look at
2015-08-08 03:19 <dahlia> lol
2015-08-08 03:19 <dahlia> I know the concept but definately not the viewer implementation ;)
2015-08-08 03:20 <dahlia> doesnt it use pixel buffer objects?
2015-08-08 03:20 <diva> no, really, that code coming from a patch from Avination was really fun to see. Completely unexpected
2015-08-08 03:21 <diva> almost like javascript indentation
2015-08-08 03:21 <dahlia> whats it do?
2015-08-08 03:22 <diva> something related to appearance in the AvatarFactory module
2015-08-08 07:09 <osmantis> Bug #7673:04 Extra moving_end triggered by llSetKeyframedMotion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7673 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-08 07:11 <lkalif> diva left...
2015-08-08 07:12 <lkalif> in linden they use "category" to mean "folder"
2015-08-08 07:21 <linkedinyou> lkalif: so category are asset type?
2015-08-08 08:30 <lkalif> category is folder
2015-08-08 08:31 <lkalif> its a synonym
2015-08-08 09:37 <Wanderer_42> Hi. I have one prim with two scripts in it. One script plays and stops a sound
2015-08-08 09:37 <Wanderer_42> periodically. The other script starts a sound via llLoopSound. Is it normal, that
2015-08-08 09:37 <Wanderer_42> the looped sound is stopped, if the other script stops its sound?  I thought,
2015-08-08 09:37 <Wanderer_42> llStopSound affects only the Sound, that is started in the same script?
2015-08-08 09:51 <Wanderer_42> I've found it by myself. In SL it behaves the same way.
2015-08-08 10:38 -!- Wanderer_42(~kvirc@dslb-084-062-105-050.084.062.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has left #opensim-dev
2015-08-08 16:04 <osmantis> Bug #7673:04 Extra moving_end triggered by llSetKeyframedMotion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7673 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-08 16:08 <osmantis> Bug #4503:04 Region "disappears" when returning from adjacent region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4503 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-08-08 16:09 <osmantis> Bug #7675:04 [REGION DB SQLLITE]: module reports console mesages with SQLLITE as spelling rather than the correct SQLITE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7675 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-08 16:15 <osmantis> Bug #7675:04 [REGION DB SQLLITE]: module reports console mesages with SQLLITE as spelling rather than the correct SQLITE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7675 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-08-08 18:37 <diva> CmdrCupcake are you sure the viewer is ok if we send it a folder with a type that's not in that enum? (I'm looking at compatibility with existing viewer versions, not future ones)
2015-08-08 18:46 <lkalif> 8 was always there
2015-08-08 18:46 <lkalif> Folder
2015-08-08 18:48 <diva> i know. I'm trying to figure out what's the right thing to do with the Suitcase folder while the viewers don't adopt code 100
2015-08-08 18:48 <diva> Whether I should send 100 or flip it to -1 on the fly
2015-08-08 18:53 <diva> my limited tests with Singu seem to show everything ok, but there are sooo many inventory actions, that I can't possibly cover everyting
2015-08-08 18:55 <lkalif> 100 should be fine
2015-08-08 19:11 <LiruCookies> It's fine
2015-08-08 19:11 <LiruCookies> If it's okay with it once, it's always okay with it.
2015-08-08 19:12 <LiruCookies> Really, it's either this or nothing
2015-08-08 19:13 <diva> here goes...
2015-08-08 19:14 <lkalif> good luck :)
2015-08-08 19:17 <smxy> Do we need to fix our DBs to match the new order? Or get updated viewers?
2015-08-08 19:18 <diva> in principle if you don't do anything, everything should work as is. So you should definitely test without changing anything in the DB
2015-08-08 19:18 <diva> once that is established, you can then change the DB 
2015-08-08 19:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #4269 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-08 19:20 <diva> I'm thinking of adding a simple assertion+update for root folders on the fly, but I'm always weary of changing people's DBs from under them...
2015-08-08 19:20 <diva> will need to talk about that with others
2015-08-08 19:22 <lkalif> i don't know why would viewer need to know root folder type
2015-08-08 19:22 <lkalif> root folder uuid is sent bt login response
2015-08-08 19:22 <lkalif> by
2015-08-08 19:22 <diva> UI, maybe. Permits, maybe
2015-08-08 19:23 <lkalif> same for the library root
2015-08-08 19:23 <diva> what's that one's tpe supposed to be?
2015-08-08 19:23 <lkalif> perhaps the folder icon
2015-08-08 19:23 <diva> type
2015-08-08 19:24 <lkalif> library? no idea. root? if it's the same icon
2015-08-08 19:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4269: FAILURE in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4269/
2015-08-08 19:24 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: WARNING: massive refactor to follow libomv's latest changes regarding inventory folders. The newest version of libomv itself is committed here. Basically, everything that was using the AssetType enum has been combed through; many of those uses were changed to the new FolderType enum.
2015-08-08 19:24 <diva> ugh
2015-08-08 19:25 <diva> damn I missed that dll
2015-08-08 19:25 <lkalif> heh
2015-08-08 19:26 <diva> wtf? I can'tfins it
2015-08-08 19:26 <lkalif>  Expecting application/vnd.ll.rootfolder but got application/octet-stream
2015-08-08 19:26 <diva> what the heck
2015-08-08 19:26 <diva> I can't find that dll here
2015-08-08 19:27 <diva> oh, found it
2015-08-08 19:29 <JeffKelley> i see libovm keep the asset/item discrepancy 20->19, 21->20, does LL have this too ?
2015-08-08 19:34 <lkalif> asset types and item types are unrelated
2015-08-08 19:35 <JeffKelley> what uses the viewer to handle an item? asset type or inventory type ?
2015-08-08 19:35 <lkalif> for instance snapshot and texture items are the same asset type
2015-08-08 19:35 <lkalif> they are unrelated
2015-08-08 19:36 <lkalif> you need both
2015-08-08 19:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #4270 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4268 1 day 11 hr ago)
2015-08-08 20:00 <zadarkAlt1> Testing libomv update. Initial observations show an addition My Suitcase folder structure created  during every login.
2015-08-08 20:01 <diva> every login?
2015-08-08 20:01 <zadarkAlt1> yes, just doubled checked, with and without cache clear
2015-08-08 20:01 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-08-08 20:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4270: FIXED in 4 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4270/
2015-08-08 20:02 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Fixed failing test
2015-08-08 20:02 <dahlia> so you have several?
2015-08-08 20:02 <zadarkAlt1> 4 now
2015-08-08 20:02 <dahlia> lol
2015-08-08 20:03 <dahlia> you can go into the virtual luggage business :)
2015-08-08 20:03 <diva> that is odd. The suitcase folder is only created when the person goes outside
2015-08-08 20:03 <nebadon> check the database maybe the inventory folders
2015-08-08 20:03 <nebadon> see if there is really 4
2015-08-08 20:04 <diva> yes please check the DB
2015-08-08 20:05 <diva> this may be the reason why we were changing the Suitcase folder code on the fly
2015-08-08 20:05 <diva> some confusion on the part of the viewer
2015-08-08 20:07 <diva> which viewer are you using?
2015-08-08 20:07 <zadarkAlt1> firestorm
2015-08-08 20:08 <zadarkAlt1> Firestorm 4.7.1 (45325) Apr 30 2015 19:22:46
2015-08-08 20:08 <diva> did you check the db inventoryfolders table?
2015-08-08 20:08 <zadarkAlt1> just getting there
2015-08-08 20:13 <zadarkAlt1> There are 4 entries for My Suitcase   type 100 in the inventory folders table
2015-08-08 20:13 <diva> for how many users?
2015-08-08 20:14 <zadarkAlt1> Just for one user, the user current being tested
2015-08-08 20:14 <diva> which HG inventory service do you have there?
2015-08-08 20:14 <diva> check in the Robust configuration
2015-08-08 20:14 <zadarkAlt1> This is standalone
2015-08-08 20:16 <zadarkAlt1> I searched for My Suitcase for a given agentid
2015-08-08 20:16 <diva> I have no idea how that may happen. As far as I know Suitcase folders are only created when a person goes outside, and if it doesn't exist
2015-08-08 20:16 <diva> not when ppl login
2015-08-08 20:17 <diva> is that a standard standalone hypergrid?
2015-08-08 20:17 <zadarkAlt1> yes, very basic
2015-08-08 20:17 <dahlia> "clear cache and relog(tm)"
2015-08-08 20:18 <zadarkAlt1> see lines above, already done.. maybe better if someone else can confirm
2015-08-08 20:18 <diva> I can't. It doesn't happen to me here on my standalone
2015-08-08 20:19 <dahlia> what would I need to do? update robust and regions to master?
2015-08-08 20:19 <zadarkAlt1> Ok, I will dig deeper
2015-08-08 20:20 <diva> that is really odd, because nothing gets created on login
2015-08-08 20:20 <diva> are you sure those weren't there before?
2015-08-08 20:20 <zadarkAlt1> yes, as I said, each time i login it increments by
2015-08-08 20:20 <zadarkAlt1> one
2015-08-08 20:21 <zadarkAlt1> this is sqlite
2015-08-08 20:21 <diva> ok, let me push an additional verbose debug message so you can show me the trace
2015-08-08 20:21 <lkalif> the viewer creates some folders on login if it doesn't find them. like trash
2015-08-08 20:21 <lkalif> perhaps it's firestorm doing it
2015-08-08 20:22 <zadarkAlt1> ok
2015-08-08 20:22 <diva> actually can you search the log for this message
2015-08-08 20:22 <diva>                 m_log.DebugFormat("[HG SUITCASE INVENTORY SERVICE]: User {0} does not have a Suitcase folder. Creating it...", principalID);
2015-08-08 20:22 <lkalif> try another viewer to test that
2015-08-08 20:23 <diva> but that's really close to impossible, unless you have things misconfigured
2015-08-08 20:25 <diva> it's the HG inventory service that creates those folders. This service is only for external access, not internal. If you are using it internally, at least I could understand the possibility of this happening. But that would be a serious misconfiguration
2015-08-08 20:26 <zadarkAlt1> OpenSim.Services.HypergridService.HGSuitcaseInventoryService [HG SUITCASE INVENTORY SERVICE]: User ce93b24a-d8ed-4aea-8ed2-54a4541efc8f does not have a Suitcase folder. Creating it..
2015-08-08 20:26 <zadarkAlt1> I see these in the log, just counting, one than one
2015-08-08 20:27 <diva> ok, well, that's interesting. Don't go away. Let me put a stack probe, cos I really want to know what the heck you are running there
2015-08-08 20:27 <zadarkAlt1> more than one, and the log only reports after the update
2015-08-08 20:28 <lkalif> why it doesn't find that it already exists?
2015-08-08 20:28 <diva> are you confortable enough to edit source code and compile?
2015-08-08 20:28 <diva> instead of me pushing tsomething that's very temporary
2015-08-08 20:28 <zadarkAlt1> yes, go ahead
2015-08-08 20:28 <diva> ok
2015-08-08 20:29 <diva> edit file OpenSim/Services/HypergridService/HGSuitcaseInventoryService.cs
2015-08-08 20:29 <diva> go to line 158
2015-08-08 20:29 <diva> that's that debug line
2015-08-08 20:29 <diva> just below it, add this:
2015-08-08 20:29 <diva> Util.PrintCallStack();
2015-08-08 20:29 <zadarkAlt1> 1 min
2015-08-08 20:32 <zadarkAlt1> Ok, just starting opensim with the printcallstack addition
2015-08-08 20:32 <diva> thanks. waiting...
2015-08-08 20:33 <dahlia> diva if I update my grid do I need to do anything to my database?
2015-08-08 20:33 <diva> no
2015-08-08 20:34 <zadarkAlt1> ok, I have 5 my suitcase folders, just need to get the stack thing into pastebin
2015-08-08 20:36 <dahlia> my grid is updating and restarting on master
2015-08-08 20:36 <dahlia> but I dont have firestorm
2015-08-08 20:37 <zadarkAlt1> http://pastebin.com/8uTbxgyE
2015-08-08 20:37 <dahlia> I use singu with lkalif's replex skin
2015-08-08 20:38 <diva> hmm
2015-08-08 20:38 <lkalif> i'm trying to merge latest singu into replex
2015-08-08 20:38 <dahlia> kk lemme know when you do
2015-08-08 20:38 <lkalif> LiruCookies was busy, over 1000 changed files
2015-08-08 20:38 <dahlia> lol
2015-08-08 20:39 <dahlia> wasnt sure if you were planning to continue it, never saw you in #replex any more and updates seemed pretty sparse
2015-08-08 20:39 <zadarkAlt1> I seem to recall a change to my suitcae that did create the folder on login if the the sim was hg enabled
2015-08-08 20:39 <diva> ok, oren moved the creation of the suitcase folder to login. This at least makes sense now!
2015-08-08 20:39 <zadarkAlt1> ah
2015-08-08 20:39 <diva> when I did it, it wasn't there
2015-08-08 20:39 <diva> so now let me see what's wrong
2015-08-08 20:40 <zadarkAlt1> making tea, afk for a few minutes
2015-08-08 20:40 <lkalif> one file with a nasty conflict that needs  more work than I can do now
2015-08-08 20:40 <dahlia> kk my grid is up, logging in....
2015-08-08 20:41 <lkalif> dahlia: i'm still in a hospital and I hate laptops and I need new glasses
2015-08-08 20:41 <lkalif> and 27" monitor lol
2015-08-08 20:41 <dahlia> lkalif: no rush :)
2015-08-08 20:42 <dahlia> I <3 17" laptop :)
2015-08-08 20:42 <lkalif> I have 15" but pretty low res
2015-08-08 20:42 <lkalif> 1360x768
2015-08-08 20:42 <dahlia> 1920x1080
2015-08-08 20:42 <diva> oh I know what's wrong. string typing!
2015-08-08 20:42 <dahlia> hmmm singu crashed on login
2015-08-08 20:43 <lkalif> lol
2015-08-08 20:43 <diva> but that's so odd that I don't see this here...
2015-08-08 20:44 <dahlia> I seem to have only one My Suitcase
2015-08-08 20:45 <diva> windows, dahlia?
2015-08-08 20:45 <dahlia> windows viewer, linux grid
2015-08-08 20:45 <diva> yeah, I'm puzzled as to why I don't see it happening here too
2015-08-08 20:45 <diva> I"m on windows
2015-08-08 20:46 <lkalif> no hg enabled?
2015-08-08 20:46 <dahlia> i have hg enabled
2015-08-08 20:47 <diva> I do
2015-08-08 20:47 <dahlia> grid.wwweb3d.net:8002/
2015-08-08 20:47 <diva> well lets see if this was it
2015-08-08 20:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #4271 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2015-08-08 20:48 <lkalif> i need a password for that :P
2015-08-08 20:48 <diva> zadarkAlt1 try that when you can
2015-08-08 20:48 <zadarkAlt1> ok
2015-08-08 20:49 <lkalif> and you get 4 suitcases for free!
2015-08-08 20:50 <diva> Macy's Labor Day sale!
2015-08-08 20:51 <lkalif> hehehe
2015-08-08 20:51 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Not just me, also Shy.
2015-08-08 20:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4271: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4271/
2015-08-08 20:52 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Convert the enum to int before casting it to string for DB query
2015-08-08 20:54 <lkalif> sql being all strings has caused many a security breach
2015-08-08 20:55 <nebadon> lol macys sale
2015-08-08 20:55 <lkalif> https://xkcd.com/327/ :P
2015-08-08 20:56 <nebadon> little bobby tables haha
2015-08-08 20:56 <lkalif> robert'; drop table...
2015-08-08 20:57 <dahlia> I actually tried to figure out the resistance of that big mob of 1 ohm resistors lol https://xkcd.com/730/  didn't get far :/
2015-08-08 20:58 <lkalif> nebadon: what was the url of your opensim github mirror?
2015-08-08 20:58 <lkalif> dahlia: you cwazy
2015-08-08 20:58 <nebadon> http://github.com/nebadon2025/opensimulator
2015-08-08 20:59 <dahlia> lkalif: I used to have a gig desiging input circuitry for test instruments so ya... cwazy
2015-08-08 20:59 <Plugh> You always know a root folder by its zero UUID entry for parent folder.
2015-08-08 21:00 <Plugh> lkalif: good xkcd cartoon. I've seen it before. :)
2015-08-08 21:01 <lkalif> i thing the viewer uses folder type to disply different folder icons
2015-08-08 21:01 <Plugh> dahlia: Build it and measure it. Simple.
2015-08-08 21:02 <lkalif> dahlia: i started university determined to become an electrical engineer
2015-08-08 21:03 <diva> EE is in my past too
2015-08-08 21:03 <lkalif> but fourier transforms and differential math convinced me to switch to CS after two semesters ;)
2015-08-08 21:03 <dahlia> EE is fun
2015-08-08 21:04 <CmdrCupcake> lkalif: Lindens like to use folder types to actually find folders too. It's fun. 
2015-08-08 21:04 <dahlia> well viewer has discreet cosine transform compression for terrin tiles so you're not far from fourier transforms :P
2015-08-08 21:05 <lkalif> lol
2015-08-08 21:06 <diva> I only understood fourier transforms many years later, when I implemented an audio decoder in Java
2015-08-08 21:06 <lkalif> if it was not for you and some other peope helping, i would have a hardt time doing alt-caming in radegast
2015-08-08 21:06 <lkalif> but at the end i made it work perfect
2015-08-08 21:07 <dahlia> I understand them conceptually but need review to know all the intricacies of the integral
2015-08-08 21:07 <lkalif> quaternions turned out to be actually useful
2015-08-08 21:07 <dahlia> <3 quaternions
2015-08-08 21:08 <lkalif> so easy to calculate 3d movement
2015-08-08 21:09 <zadarkAlt1> diva: appols for the delay, doubled checked with another test setup. The problems appears to be fixed. 
2015-08-08 21:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #4272 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-08 21:09 <diva> yey
2015-08-08 21:09 <zadarkAlt1> Nice, big code update
2015-08-08 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #7675:04 [REGION DB SQLLITE]: module reports console mesages with SQLLITE as spelling rather than the correct SQLITE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7675 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-08 21:09 <lkalif> also figured out why you cannot place camera directly above head looking down :P
2015-08-08 21:10 <diva> well, time to go to the beach before someone finds another inventory bug...
2015-08-08 21:10 <dahlia> WAIT
2015-08-08 21:10 <osmantis> Bug #7675:04 [REGION DB SQLLITE]: module reports console mesages with SQLLITE as spelling rather than the correct SQLITE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7675 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-08 21:10 <lkalif> lol
2015-08-08 21:11 <dahlia> jk :)
2015-08-08 21:11 <diva> I'M NOT HERE ANYMORE
2015-08-08 21:11 <diva> :)
2015-08-08 21:11 <dahlia> YOU ARE TOO :P
2015-08-08 21:11 <diva> laterz
2015-08-08 21:11 <dahlia> bb
2015-08-08 21:11 <lkalif> cu
2015-08-08 21:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4272: SUCCESS in 4 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4272/
2015-08-08 21:13 <osjenkins> kevin: Corrected spelling of SQLITE. Fixes mantis #7675.
2015-08-08 21:15 <zadarkAlt1> Looks like this test avi inventory folders is going to have to bear the scars of test. Delete is disabled on the viewer options.
2015-08-08 22:01 <velusuniversesys> hello all does anyone know how to set up the freeswitch on centos 7
2015-08-08 22:06 <nebadon> http://www.annuna.net/wiki/index.php/How_to_install_FreeSWITCH_for_OpenSim
2015-08-08 22:06 <nebadon> velusuniversesys no idea if this is any good
2015-08-08 22:06 <nebadon> might help
2015-08-08 22:07 <velusuniversesys> ill look now nebadon thanks ill let you know in a little if it helps, im trying to do several things at onece 
2015-08-08 22:07 <nebadon> k cool
2015-08-08 22:08 <velusuniversesys> ok its for debian i am using centos is that any good?
2015-08-08 22:08 <velusuniversesys> or should i reimage it
2015-08-08 22:09 <velusuniversesys> brb 
2015-08-08 22:10 <nebadon> linux is linux, there will be variations from platform to platform
2015-08-08 22:10 <nebadon> but in general the guidline should be helpful I think
2015-08-08 22:10 <nebadon> most of the time i use ubuntu tutorials when configuring opensuse
2015-08-08 22:11 <velusuniversesys> ok i use centos and prefer centos im gonna see if i can do it for centos, with some minor changes, hopefully it will work well
2015-08-08 22:11 <nebadon> ya centos is fairly similar
2015-08-08 22:11 <nebadon> yum vs apt
2015-08-08 22:11 <nebadon> thats probably the biggest difference heh
2015-08-08 22:12 <nebadon> and pre-req package names might vary slightly
2015-08-08 22:12 <nebadon> otherwise the directions should be pretty much the same
2015-08-08 22:14 <nebadon> atleast its english, which is odd considering the rest of the wesbite is all german
2015-08-08 22:14 <nebadon> heh
2015-08-08 22:55 <linkedinyou> nebadon:  i have 10 running OpenSUSE machines . but i use ubuntu tutorials lol
2015-08-08 22:55 <linkedinyou> never asked here #suse
2015-08-08 23:38 <velusuniversesys> hey nebadon you know in opensim.ini this section [ClientStack.LindenCaps] what is it for and i have the grid on another server do i leave it on localhost or do i do the grid address?
2015-08-08 23:45 <velusuniversesys> also i need help with ofline messaging? if someone can help me with it
2015-08-08 23:46 <linkedinyou> velusuniversesys: use #opensim lots of guys helpfull fr you thier 
2015-08-08 23:46 <velusuniversesys> ok sorry
2015-08-08 23:47 <linkedinyou> and #osgrid
2015-08-09 01:08 <smxy> Okay, two weeks in a row, my bots have stopped TPing due to the collision issue. But this second time, I was doing physics logging. I'll find out exactly when they stopped TPing and then get the physics logs for then for misterblue to look at.
2015-08-09 01:09 <nebadon> nice
2015-08-09 01:09 <nebadon> Caps are how certain requests are handle
2015-08-09 01:09 <nebadon> velusuniversesys
2015-08-09 01:10 <nebadon> localhost means the simulator handles the request
2015-08-09 01:10 <nebadon> you could in theory reroute things with caps
2015-08-09 01:10 <nebadon> if you look in OpenSimDefaults.ini you will see all the possibilities
2015-08-09 01:28 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-09 01:35 <smxy> Hmm. How do you zip something on Win7? WinZip doesn't appear to be free any more.
2015-08-09 01:35 <smxy> The physics logs are too big to attach uncompressed.
2015-08-09 01:36 <AliciaRaven> http://www.7-zip.org/
2015-08-09 01:36 <AliciaRaven> will handle almost any zip format
2015-08-09 01:36 <smxy> I grab a copy. Thanks.
2015-08-09 01:37 <smxy> I'll*
2015-08-09 01:42 <smxy> That worked. Thanks. I added the logs to the Mantis.
2015-08-09 01:43 <AliciaRaven> np :) hope misterblue can find a fix
2015-08-09 01:43 <smxy> Me too. He may have already, which is why I need to update and try his latest changes.
2015-08-09 01:43 <smxy> But I wanted this test to play out first.
2015-08-09 01:44 <smxy> So I could give him those logs.
2015-08-09 01:46 <smxy> Physics logging, alone, for the week, amounted to 6.4GB of disk space, lol.
2015-08-09 01:46 <AliciaRaven> ouch lol
2015-08-09 01:47 <smxy> I'm happy to send it all to misterblue, but I figured he'd mostly want to start with the logs covering when the TPs stopped. :)
2015-08-09 01:48 <AliciaRaven> yea i expect any clues should be very close to the stop
2015-08-09 01:53 <misterblue> I'll looks at anything you have
2015-08-09 01:54 <misterblue> you can put the zips on a google drive or dropbox and I can fetch them -- won't need to be there for long
2015-08-09 01:54 <smxy> They're attached to the mantis, misterblue
2015-08-09 01:54 <misterblue> whoa! ok... let me check
2015-08-09 01:55 <smxy> I gave you the two covering when things stopped working. If you want all 6.4GB (a week's worth), let me know. :)
2015-08-09 01:55 <misterblue> 
ACTION is still trying to figure out this Windows10 thing

2015-08-09 01:56 <linkedinyou> misterblue: i wish i can help you with the physics we all need it :( you are doing great alone 
2015-08-09 01:57 <smxy> He's doing a good job alone. I'll consider it great, when he fixes this bug. :P
2015-08-09 01:57 <smxy> *ducks*
2015-08-09 01:57 <misterblue> feel free to dive in... it's a learning experience :)
2015-08-09 01:58 <linkedinyou> here everything is learning experience and this is the best place to teach even for professors :)
2015-08-09 01:58 <linkedinyou> but physics the hardest one to start with lol
2015-08-09 01:59 <misterblue> more that's it's difficult to debug... actions happening over time... that and a little math
2015-08-09 02:00 <smxy> linkedinyou: That just means that if you can figure out physics, you can figure out *anything*. :)
2015-08-09 02:00 <linkedinyou> physics need math brain lol
2015-08-09 02:01 <linkedinyou> smxy: studying math frist lol
2015-08-09 02:01 <AliciaRaven> the only thing harder to understand is linden logic lol
2015-08-09 02:02 <linkedinyou> AliciaRaven: and lindens enums lol
2015-08-09 02:02 <AliciaRaven> lol yep
2015-08-09 02:04 <linkedinyou> AliciaRaven: do you think PlayStation could understand what Phillip linden sold them?
2015-08-09 02:05 <AliciaRaven> if they put enough staff on the job and give them lots of coffee :)
2015-08-09 02:05 <linkedinyou> i will ask them :)
2015-08-09 02:06 <linkedinyou> by the way they bought from them to close it
2015-08-09 02:06 <misterblue> smxy... the collisions that stopped... these are avatar collisions?
2015-08-09 02:07 <AliciaRaven> linkedinyou: what did they buy?
2015-08-09 02:10 <linkedinyou> AliciaRaven: onlive http://www.firestormviewer.org/onlive-sold-sl-go-to-end-april-30th/
2015-08-09 02:11 <AliciaRaven> oh yea, i remember, philip had left sl by that point tho i think
2015-08-09 02:11 <misterblue> that was just OnLive... it ran more than SL... Sony wanted the streaming game tech
2015-08-09 02:11 <smxy> misterblue: Did you read the last entry I made on the mantis? It describes the test.
2015-08-09 02:12 <misterblue> read the docs??!??!! what are you thinkin??
2015-08-09 02:13 <linkedinyou> misterblue: Sony now have streaming game tech . so they will add it to the playstaion box on there (playstation Home project )
2015-08-09 02:13 <velusuniversesys> nebadon, you awake?
2015-08-09 02:14 <AliciaRaven> this physics bug is like a needle in a haystack lol hope u can find it now with these logs misterblue
2015-08-09 02:15 <velusuniversesys> AliciaRaven, your good with linux aint you?
2015-08-09 02:16 <AliciaRaven> i know enough to get by
2015-08-09 02:16 <smxy> misterblue: When I update tomorrow, I'll be sure to enable that testing feature you added a week or so ago, before I start the next week-long test.
2015-08-09 02:17 <velusuniversesys> i am using this from justincc github https://github.com/justincc/opensimulator-tools/blob/master/infrastructure/control/init.d/src/opensim but it dont work im using centos 7 and cant figgure out why
2015-08-09 02:19 <smxy> Remember that CentOS 7 uses systemd, which starts services very differently, though old-style init.d scripts *should* still work. But a great deal of 7 is VERY different from CentOS 6 and earlier.
2015-08-09 02:19 <misterblue> with all these NPCs, the physics logs have about 21000 entries per second :-O
2015-08-09 02:20 <smxy> Well, I needed that many to make the problem appear in a reasonable timeframe and it still takes a week.
2015-08-09 02:20 <linkedinyou> velusuniversesys: 5 years ago i remmber centos bad with mono
2015-08-09 02:21 <smxy> linkedinyou: I build Mono on CentOS 6 just fine, but it used to be a pain to do, yes. Much easier, these days.
2015-08-09 02:21 <misterblue> you on the east coast, smxy? The logs say 08:36 and you said the problem was at 04:36
2015-08-09 02:22 <SilverWhitefish> plus its written for debian... yuo may have to change some things in the source file for it to work for sysrv (init.d)
2015-08-09 02:22 <linkedinyou> smxy: yes it was not supporting the mono-devel that days
2015-08-09 02:22 <SilverWhitefish> line 64 -e /etc/debian_version ];
2015-08-09 02:22 <SilverWhitefish> line 53 and 54
2015-08-09 02:23 <smxy> Yes, Eastern Timezone. The last TPs occur at 4:36 AM in the region logs, and I gave you the physics logs that were written for the 5-minute period covering then. Inside the physics logs, you seem to be logging at UTC time.
2015-08-09 02:23 <SilverWhitefish> this is system admin stuff your asking
2015-08-09 02:23 <velusuniversesys> line 73 SilverWhitefish 
2015-08-09 02:23 <velusuniversesys> yes i know
2015-08-09 02:24 <SilverWhitefish> the way to these days is what smxy replyed
2015-08-09 02:25 <velusuniversesys> will someone be able to write a script for it then please
2015-08-09 02:25 <SilverWhitefish> shouldnt we be paying attention to misterblue play with physics?
2015-08-09 02:25 <smxy> velusuniversesys: Also, saying it doesn't work and you don't know why, but without providing any details about how it's failing or what error or other messages you may be getting isn't going to entice anyone to help you.
2015-08-09 02:25 <misterblue> LOL... like watching grass grow
2015-08-09 02:26 <velusuniversesys> it does nothing it dont say nothing it dosent give anything
2015-08-09 02:26 <smxy> But I think the point is that OS-related questions perhaps belong in another channel.
2015-08-09 02:27 <smxy> I doubt anywone will write you a working start script. They may be willing to help you learn to write one yourself, though.
2015-08-09 02:29 <SilverWhitefish> velusuniversesys, what is your goal? to press buttons and profit, or to learn and profit
2015-08-09 02:30 <velusuniversesys> atm to get this system up and runnig for now 
2015-08-09 02:30 <velusuniversesys> but im gonna go to bed my meds have kiced in now
2015-08-09 02:30 <velusuniversesys> bight all
2015-08-09 02:31 <SilverWhitefish> night
2015-08-09 02:33 <smxy> misterblue: you should find more entries for the Test2 region, as that's the one that had the NPC going round and round and round ...
2015-08-09 02:33 <SilverWhitefish> bright stars are interesting
2015-08-09 02:33 <SilverWhitefish> lol sry wrong channel
2015-08-09 02:34 <smxy> I was wondering ... :)
2015-08-09 02:44 <misterblue> but bright start *are* interesting :)
2015-08-09 03:03 <misterblue> humm... collisions stop after an odd event of destroying and creating an avatar with the same localID at the same instant.. how does that happen
2015-08-09 03:03 <misterblue> 
ACTION keeps digging

2015-08-09 03:13 <smxy> Interesting.
2015-08-09 03:17 <smxy> I have no idea why my cat akes to yowling sometimes, but it always freaks me out, as it sounds like he's continually yelling "OWW! OWW! OWW! OWW! ..." :(
2015-08-09 03:58 <SilverWhitefish> mine does that when he wants outside
2015-08-09 04:05 <Plugh> smxy: yea, it is annoying when the cat does that. 
2015-08-09 05:07 <misterblue> smxy: still around? Are there any ERRORs in OpenSim.log when collisions stopped?
2015-08-09 05:07 <misterblue> I can see where there might be problems but I don't see how its messing up collisions for all the avatars
2015-08-09 05:08 <misterblue> the problem seems to be around TPing an avatar in the same region -- the simulator TPs within a region by removing the avatar from the physics engine and then immediately adding it back
2015-08-09 05:09 <nebadon> anyway to prevent that for local teleports?
2015-08-09 05:09 <misterblue> this causes race conditions as the physics engine does physical modifications at simulation time
2015-08-09 05:09 <nebadon> that seems inefficient even if it were bug free
2015-08-09 05:09 <djphil_> Hello, I try to understand a little inventory records system "an avatar ... For that I compare" Enums.cs "of OpenMetaverse and" Inventoryfolders "opensim the wiki.
2015-08-09 05:09 <djphil_> Comparing this I found several differences. For example the amount of the inventory record is different, the No. folders are different (for example mesh) and also some names are different. Because of that I do not is its & folders exactly what must be created and what names these folders must be exactly. Do you know if the "Inventoryfolders" opensim the wiki is updated correctly? Do you know where I can find information about it
2015-08-09 05:10 <misterblue> ping diva... djphil has questions
2015-08-09 05:11 <djphil_> lol
2015-08-09 05:12 <misterblue> nebadon... there is already a special case for in-region TPs... doesn't do a full TP between region process
2015-08-09 05:13 <misterblue> could 'fix' the problem by changing that process :)
2015-08-09 05:14 <misterblue> but I still don't know why all avatar collisions are getting messed up... collisions are kept and processed per prim/avatar
2015-08-09 05:46 <djphil_> Here is the code I use to create different folders in the inventory. Maybe you can tell me if it seems correct and you may find what is wrong in it http://pastebin.com/8dMzi1Vv
2015-08-09 07:46 <JeffKelley> djphil_ as far as i know, the wiki is in sync with libovm
2015-08-09 07:47 <djphil_> hmmm not sure
2015-08-09 07:47 <CmdrCupcake> Wiki needs updating i think
2015-08-09 07:47 <djphil_> yep
2015-08-09 07:47 <JeffKelley> example?
2015-08-09 07:47 <djphil_> le dosier mesh
2015-08-09 07:47 <CmdrCupcake> 9 is invalid for root/"My Inventory"
2015-08-09 07:48 <djphil_> des dossiers sont manquant (en tous cas il n'y a pas le meme nombre de dossiers ... certains sont'ils facultatifs ... dieux seul le sais
2015-08-09 07:48 <CmdrCupcake> djphil_: Don't bother creating EnsembleStart, EnsembleEnd, and the Mesh folder, the viewer doesn't care/ignores those
2015-08-09 07:49 <JeffKelley> CmdrCupcake the wiki is supposed to document the database, 9 is what is in our databases at the moment, it will need to be updated when Diva's changes will be released
2015-08-09 07:49 <djphil_> for now i have this ... but it don't work, i can't login my avatar after registration
2015-08-09 07:49 <djphil_> http://pastebin.com/8dMzi1Vv
2015-08-09 07:50 <djphil_> the inventory template come from Enum.cs
2015-08-09 07:50 <djphil_> that why i ask
2015-08-09 07:50 <JeffKelley> djphil_ are you trying to create a Meshes folder?
2015-08-09 07:50 <djphil_> i see too a lot of names are different that wiki say ...
2015-08-09 07:51 <djphil_> yes Jeff
2015-08-09 07:51 <dahlia> CmdrCupcake: I put that file in but I can't find how to enable the grid selector thingie on the login screen. Happen to know offhand?
2015-08-09 07:51 <CmdrCupcake> dahlia: Preferences, advanced tab
2015-08-09 07:51 <dahlia> hmmm thought I looked there, checking again...
2015-08-09 07:52 <CmdrCupcake> djphil_, https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse/blob/82fd0133ad47313b7de6748659376081fe34fa2e/OpenMetaverse/InventoryManager.cs#L1259 <- the correct folder names are documented there as far as what the viewer is concerned
2015-08-09 07:52 <JeffKelley> i tried to create a Meshes folder with Firestorm, with type 49 it does not appear in the inventory, with type 22 it appears with a generic icon
2015-08-09 07:53 <dahlia> CmdrCupcake: ty worked :)
2015-08-09 07:53 <dahlia> 
ACTION blames crappy eyesight...

2015-08-09 07:53 <djphil_> 49 != 22
2015-08-09 07:53 <djphil_> tank's Cmdr
2015-08-09 07:54 <CmdrCupcake> Don't bother creating a meshes folder lol
2015-08-09 07:54 <JeffKelley> public enum AssetType != public enum FolderType
2015-08-09 07:55 <CmdrCupcake> It's literally a folder type that lindenlab added to the viewer for the "Mesh" asset which was a prototype format for how meshes were being handled in the viewer.
2015-08-09 07:55 <JeffKelley> I like mad experiments :) however, you can have raw mesh  inventory items (and I have)
2015-08-09 07:55 <CmdrCupcake> The viewer won't even display it lol
2015-08-09 07:56 <djphil_> what is that all "NEw Folders" from line 1287 to line 1306 ?
2015-08-09 07:56 <CmdrCupcake> Ensembles are handled as a range in the viewer, but Ensembles are a project that was never finished.
2015-08-09 07:57 <JeffKelley> the viewer displays raw meshes as a pyramid and, when droped on a prim, the prim changes shape
2015-08-09 07:57 <CmdrCupcake> So ensembles don't exist :P
2015-08-09 07:58 <JeffKelley> so, djphil_, libovn says Mesh(AssetType) = 49 and Mesh(FolderType) = 22 ; the wiki says the same thing
2015-08-09 07:59 <dahlia> interesting... the SL viewer map works on osgrid
2015-08-09 08:01 <CmdrCupcake> JeffKelley Your libomv is out of date from whats in its master repo.
2015-08-09 08:02 <JeffKelley> oh!
2015-08-09 08:02 <CmdrCupcake> AT_MESH and FT_MESH are both 49. 
2015-08-09 08:02 <JeffKelley> i am using https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse/blob/master/OpenMetaverseTypes/Enums.cs
2015-08-09 08:02 <djphil_> JeffKelley https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse/blob/master/OpenMetaverseTypes/Enums.cs#L158
2015-08-09 08:03 <djphil_> it say "49" for "FolderType"
2015-08-09 08:05 <djphil_> Il y a ausi un dossier "-1" ... il sort d'où celui-là ??
2015-08-09 08:09 <djphil_> CmdrCupcake : should I create all the "New Folder" ? (from 1287 to 1305)
2015-08-09 08:10 <CmdrCupcake> djphil_: No. Ensembles are unused/ignored
2015-08-09 08:10 <djphil_> ok ty
2015-08-09 08:11 <CmdrCupcake> djphil_: -1 is for normal folders/no special type
2015-08-09 08:11 <djphil_> is requeired ?
2015-08-09 08:11 <djphil_> or ignored ...
2015-08-09 08:11 <CmdrCupcake> It's for user created inventory. You don't have to create it for initial inventory trees
2015-08-09 08:11 <JeffKelley> ok, I add CurrentOutfit(folder) = 46 to the wiki, change Mesh(folder) to 49, should we care of Inbox, Outbox and the Marketplace things? never seen them
2015-08-09 08:12 <CmdrCupcake> Those are LL grid things for the Merchant Outbox/Marketplace
2015-08-09 08:12 <djphil_> kk
2015-08-09 08:13 <djphil_> and" EnsembleStart" and "EnsembleEnd" are requiered ?
2015-08-09 08:14 <JeffKelley> i don't think Category and Folder actually belong to InventoryTypes, the are FolderType
2015-08-09 08:17 <CmdrCupcake> https://gist.github.com/CmdrCupcake/39e6fd13d366d03a1793
2015-08-09 08:17 <CmdrCupcake> djphil_, ^
2015-08-09 08:18 <djphil_> that the fixed code ?
2015-08-09 08:19 <djphil_> what is "'My Suitcase' => 100" ? o don't sse that in libopenmetaverse
2015-08-09 08:21 <CmdrCupcake> It's a special hypergrid folder...I don't think you need to create it for initial login/inventory tree but I'm not really sure on that
2015-08-09 08:22 <djphil_> ha ok, tanks
2015-08-09 08:23 <djphil_> CmdrCupcake : form the second test i use this inventory template
2015-08-09 08:23 <djphil_> http://pastebin.com/0EnSwrUW
2015-08-09 08:24 <djphil_> with it, now i can connect my avatar, finally !!!
2015-08-09 08:24 <djphil_> and i see my inventory ... it seam he is clean
2015-08-09 08:25 <djphil_> mom i make screenshot
2015-08-09 08:27 <djphil_> here is : http://www.imagerun.info/img201/0q5nvu2r9v34hnx4.jpg
2015-08-09 08:28 <djphil_> there is a little folder than those usually seen in opensim by default ... but it's better than what I got before ...
2015-08-09 08:28 <CmdrCupcake> djphil_: Don't create 'New Outfits' => 47,
2015-08-09 08:28 <CmdrCupcake> or 'Marketplace Listings' => 53, or 'New Stock' => 54
2015-08-09 08:29 <djphil_> okay
2015-08-09 08:29 <CmdrCupcake> 47 is a special type for viewer-created outfits
2015-08-09 08:29 <CmdrCupcake> as is New Stock, and Marketplace Listings is for linden grid marketplace system
2015-08-09 08:29 <djphil_> isn't requiered for opensim marketplace system ?
2015-08-09 08:30 <CmdrCupcake> nah. 
2015-08-09 08:30 <djphil_> okiii i can comment it out then
2015-08-09 08:30 <CmdrCupcake> LL backs their web marketplace with inworld folders/management 
2015-08-09 08:30 <JeffKelley> there is no opensim marketplace yet, but we could use direct delivery some day
2015-08-09 08:31 <djphil_> in this test i have commented out too the "'My Suitcase' => 100" ... and it seam it work without it
2015-08-09 08:31 <djphil_> Now i will try with the code you sent me higher
2015-08-09 08:32 <JeffKelley> where is your "Meshes" folder ?
2015-08-09 08:32 <CmdrCupcake> Meshes folder is not displayed by viewer.
2015-08-09 08:32 <CmdrCupcake> :P
2015-08-09 08:32 <CmdrCupcake> It's blocked.
2015-08-09 08:33 <djphil_> i don't see it
2015-08-09 08:33 <djphil_> i can remove it too then ?
2015-08-09 08:33 <CmdrCupcake> Yeah.
2015-08-09 08:33 <djphil_> oki
2015-08-09 08:38 <djphil_> So, here is the Inventory i get with the code you give me above
2015-08-09 08:38 <djphil_> http://www.imagerun.info/img201/nnhsxrh0p4x5ui3p.jpg
2015-08-09 08:39 <JeffKelley> opensim can do that for you
2015-08-09 08:39 <djphil_> it already looks a more normal inventory opensim
2015-08-09 08:39 <djphil_> you mean with opensim services jeff ?
2015-08-09 08:40 <JeffKelley> yep
2015-08-09 08:40 <djphil_> i have one already
2015-08-09 08:40 <djphil_> it work well
2015-08-09 08:41 <djphil_> He is OpenSim Tools Jcc based script
2015-08-09 08:41 <CmdrCupcake> djphil_: That inventory tree looks correct. :D
2015-08-09 08:41 <djphil_> yep
2015-08-09 08:41 <djphil_> i think that too
2015-08-09 08:41 <djphil_> i see too my avatar is a cloud
2015-08-09 08:42 <djphil_> taht because i need to create a First appearance ?
2015-08-09 08:43 <CmdrCupcake> Yeah. Needs an initial appearance to decloud
2015-08-09 08:43 <djphil_> you know how i can do that ?
2015-08-09 08:44 <djphil_> i hope that all after ^^
2015-08-09 08:45 <JeffKelley> CmdrCupcake : why the viewer is blocking Meshes folder? just curious
2015-08-09 08:45 <CmdrCupcake> Related to the way the prototype mesh system worked
2015-08-09 08:46 <CmdrCupcake> Originally meshes worked kinda like sculptys where you dragged a mesh onto a prim
2015-08-09 08:46 <CmdrCupcake> they eventually simplified it to just create prims
2015-08-09 08:46 <JeffKelley> yes they do, if you have raw meshes in your inv.
2015-08-09 08:52 <CmdrCupcake> wow thats kinda funny x.x
2015-08-09 10:22 <djphil_> I can not find an example or documentation to create an initial appearance in php for an avatar during registration.
2015-08-09 10:22 <djphil_> Anyone know where I could find it?
2015-08-09 11:41 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-09 14:25 <osmantis> Bug #7673:04 Extra moving_end triggered by llSetKeyframedMotion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7673 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-09 22:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #4273 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-09 22:50 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-09 22:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4273: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4273/
2015-08-09 22:55 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: update the motion actors so they completely clean themselves
2015-08-09 22:55 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: rearrange code and add different locking to eliminate chances
2015-08-09 22:56 <Plugh> misterblue: Is that change also eliminating the av removal and re-add for in region TPs?
2015-08-09 22:56 <Plugh> When I read about the earlier I was thinking the same as nebadon that it sounded inefficient.
2015-08-09 22:56 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-09 22:57 <Plugh> um... bbl. My dinner is ready.
2015-08-09 22:58 <misterblue> Plugh... the avatar is still removed from the physical scene and then re-added. I didn't explore the 'solution' of changing how the simulator does that.
2015-08-09 22:58 <Plugh> ok. I was just curious. It wouldn't be the only possibly inefficient bit of code in OS that I'm aware of, or heard about. :)
2015-08-09 22:58 <misterblue> If the remove/add is really the problem, it could also be tickled by making a prim physical/non-physical over and over
2015-08-09 22:59 <smxy> Ugh. Ijust finished spent all day updating my grid, and now I have to update again.
2015-08-09 22:59 <misterblue> or maybe phantom/non-phantom over and over
2015-08-09 22:59 <Plugh> hm... that might be worth testing.
2015-08-09 22:59 <misterblue> in either case, I want to fix the BulletSim problem
2015-08-09 22:59 <Plugh> ok, gotta go. bbl.
2015-08-09 23:00 <misterblue> the logs were VERY helpful, smxy.... thanks a bunch
2015-08-09 23:01 <smxy> I'll be sure to continue them on the next test run.
2015-08-09 23:01 <misterblue> while they didn't point to an definitive problem, they greatly reduced the search
2015-08-09 23:19 <smxy> misterblue: ping
2015-08-09 23:20 <smxy> misterblue: Do you want me to enable the fire-and-forget collisions this next text run?
2015-08-10 01:04 <Tank_Master> [2015:08:05:05:47:40:282] <velusuniversesys> hey Tank_Master you about? 
2015-08-10 01:04 <Tank_Master> nope
2015-08-10 01:55 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-10 02:09 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-10 02:17 <misterblue> smxy... you can turn off the FireAndForget patch... It doesn't look like that is what the problem is... I'll do some performance testing before deciding if that commit should be reverted
2015-08-10 02:20 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-10 02:35 <smxy> misterblue: I hadn't enabled it, as I only just updated today to code that included it. 
2015-08-10 02:42 <SilverWhitefish> AllowScriptCrossing = "True"
2015-08-10 02:43 <Melanie_T> SilverWhitefish: and that is reference to?
2015-08-10 02:43 <SilverWhitefish> i was wondering if that may be the cause. i think its disabled by default... i was reading more of the mantis reports
2015-08-10 02:44 <Melanie_T> erm, NO!
2015-08-10 02:44 <Melanie_T> here's the lowdown (fromt he horse's mouth, as I wrote it)
2015-08-10 02:44 <Melanie_T> the sim will always try to cross script state
2015-08-10 02:45 <Melanie_T> AllowScriptCrossings will additionally unpack and use the BINARY sent along
2015-08-10 02:45 <Melanie_T> a carefully crafted malicious script binary pack can attack ANYTHING on your system
2015-08-10 02:46 <Melanie_T> so you can NOT use AllowScriptCrossing unless ALL possible systes that can cross or tp into your system are under your control, e.g. a closed grid
2015-08-10 02:48 <SilverWhitefish> even with TrustBInaries = "False"?
2015-08-10 02:48 <Melanie_T> erm, i believe i might have been incorrect
2015-08-10 02:48 <Melanie_T> TrustBinaries is the dangerous one
2015-08-10 02:48 <Melanie_T> You threw me off by saying AllowScriptCrossing is off by default
2015-08-10 02:48 <Melanie_T> it should not be
2015-08-10 02:49 <Melanie_T> at least it wasn't when I designed it
2015-08-10 02:49 <SilverWhitefish> ya i think i was wrong on that one
2015-08-10 02:49 <SilverWhitefish> i was just going over this trying to figure out how would would sail a boat or fly a aplne onto my region when i read what you all where talking about
2015-08-10 02:50 <SilverWhitefish> very interesting
2015-08-10 02:50 <nebadon> I think the bigger problem there is we dont correctly pass physics stuff for vehicles
2015-08-10 02:51 <Melanie_T> correct
2015-08-10 02:51 <Melanie_T> misterblue has been workig on trying to matcht he avination and opensim codebases
2015-08-10 02:51 <Melanie_T> to allow porting of our VehiclePhysicsParameters class and a laundry list of methods and interfaces needed for that
2015-08-10 02:52 <Melanie_T> I guess he's gotten busy with his own stuff at some point. sine he volunteered this, i'm in no position to press the issue
2015-08-10 03:00 <SilverWhitefish> well i think everyone is doing a great job and im only hoping i can catch up and try to contribute one day
2015-08-10 03:01 <SilverWhitefish> theres just so much to learn about opensim
2015-08-10 03:01 <Melanie_T> it's a very complex application
2015-08-10 03:01 <Melanie_T> few know it's full extent
2015-08-10 03:17 <dahlia> I certainly don't :)
2015-08-10 03:17 <dahlia> but I can usually avoid being dangerous 
2015-08-10 03:18 <Melanie_T> i think if you overlay myself, justin and diva
2015-08-10 03:18 <diva> Related to that, Melanie, when I was visiting all occurrences of AssetType I came across a poem you left in the code :)
2015-08-10 03:18 <Melanie_T> you'll cover 85%
2015-08-10 03:18 <diva> that was very cute, so I left it there :)
2015-08-10 03:18 <diva> lol
2015-08-10 03:18 <Melanie_T> diva: easter eggs are for finding
2015-08-10 03:19 <Melanie_T> point me to it please because i forgot wehre
2015-08-10 03:19 <diva> 1 sec, let me find it again
2015-08-10 03:20 <dahlia> well I usually know who to ask when I'm having difficulty understanding a part of the code
2015-08-10 03:21 <diva> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=viewblob&p=opensim&h=cfb082b862d0f79f234bfc050ef29302549af8eb&hb=fe37cb999055c0df27a3fc1e038013575a63e2ea&f=OpenSim/Region/CoreModules/Avatar/AvatarFactory/AvatarFactoryModule.cs
2015-08-10 03:21 <diva> starting line 898
2015-08-10 03:22 <diva> that method TryAndRepairBrokenWearable
2015-08-10 03:22 <diva> strong endings to the stances too :D
2015-08-10 03:23 <dahlia> lol
2015-08-10 03:23 <dahlia> is that one of the files that had the whitespace messed up? *ducks*
2015-08-10 03:24 <diva> no idea! But I had a big chuckle when I found that code. I like code that surprises me :D
2015-08-10 03:25 <dahlia> about as easy to grok as Paradise Lost
2015-08-10 03:27 <Melanie_T> code willl be written / minds coding for eternity / then review happens
2015-08-10 03:28 <diva> haiku too! :)
2015-08-10 03:28 <diva> you're inspired!
2015-08-10 03:28 <Melanie_T> :)
2015-08-10 03:29 <Melanie_T> i like haiku
2015-08-10 03:29 <Melanie_T> the restrictions tend to focus the mind
2015-08-10 03:30 <diva> This year I sent my candidate statement to the ACM SIGPLAN election with just one haiku :)
2015-08-10 03:30 <diva> and people elected me hehehe
2015-08-10 03:30 <Melanie_T> nice one
2015-08-10 03:31 <diva> the admin person who was processing those statements had a hard time understanding what the heck that was. I had to tell her to please put it in 3 lines
2015-08-10 03:31 <Melanie_T> lol
2015-08-10 03:31 <diva> I wonder if that made it to some public web site somewhere
2015-08-10 03:32 <diva> lol it did! http://www.acm.org/sigs/elections/acm-sigplan-2015/C_Lopes_Member-at-Large.pdf
2015-08-10 03:33 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-10 03:37 <dahlia> nice
2015-08-10 03:37 <dahlia> what is SIGPLAN? I've only ever paid attention to SIGGRAPH lol
2015-08-10 03:38 <diva> the programming languages sig
2015-08-10 03:38 <dahlia> oh
2015-08-10 03:39 <dahlia> lol duh :/
2015-08-10 03:39 <dahlia> didnt you work at PARC? 
2015-08-10 03:39 <diva> yes, I did
2015-08-10 03:39 <dahlia> why not on there?
2015-08-10 03:39 <diva> 7 wonderful years!
2015-08-10 03:40 <diva> what do you mean? Why I'm not there now?
2015-08-10 03:40 <dahlia> oh they only want current?
2015-08-10 03:40 <diva> yes
2015-08-10 03:40 <dahlia> ic
2015-08-10 03:40 <dahlia> did you know Alan Kay?
2015-08-10 03:41 <diva> not directly no. He wasn't there anymore when I started.
2015-08-10 03:42 <dahlia> I used to go to HP Labs a lot, wonder if we ever passed each other in Palo ALto ;)
2015-08-10 03:43 <diva> maybe! I was there from 95 until 2002
2015-08-10 03:44 <dahlia> ya I frequented there 91-04
2015-08-10 03:55 <nebadon> upgraded my laptop to Windows 10
2015-08-10 03:55 <nebadon> its surprisingly not bad
2015-08-10 03:56 <dahlia> hasn't downloaded for me yet
2015-08-10 03:56 <nebadon> download the iso
2015-08-10 03:56 <dahlia> ah ok maybe I should
2015-08-10 03:56 <nebadon> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO
2015-08-10 03:57 <dahlia> my win 7 laptop doesnt have the little icon :(
2015-08-10 03:57 <nebadon> the upgrade was pain free
2015-08-10 03:57 <dahlia> orly?
2015-08-10 03:57 <nebadon> ya i was shocked
2015-08-10 03:57 <nebadon> 10 is alot more like windows 7
2015-08-10 03:57 <dahlia> 8.1 was a PITA for me
2015-08-10 03:57 <nebadon> actually if you install classicshell.net
2015-08-10 03:57 <nebadon> its nearly indistiuguishable from Windows 7
2015-08-10 03:58 <dahlia> I kinda like the win 8 stuff over the 7
2015-08-10 03:58 <nebadon> ya you can embrace either way
2015-08-10 03:58 <dahlia> cool
2015-08-10 03:58 <nebadon> you can go full on Windows 8.1 Metro screen mode
2015-08-10 03:58 <nebadon> or some where in between
2015-08-10 03:58 <dahlia> well I dont care for metro apps
2015-08-10 03:58 <dahlia> but the tile thing isnt too bad
2015-08-10 03:58 <nebadon> I really like the Windows 7 layout
2015-08-10 03:59 <nebadon> efficient and simple
2015-08-10 03:59 <nebadon> its nice they finally made lots of options
2015-08-10 03:59 <nebadon> the Windows 10 theme is very nice too
2015-08-10 03:59 <nebadon> nice new login screen
2015-08-10 03:59 <nebadon> its very clean out of the box
2015-08-10 04:00 <dahlia> there seems to be a lot of FUD on the webz about massive spy stuff but I don't know how much of it is real
2015-08-10 04:00 <nebadon> im quite surprised, I would have bet money it was going to suck
2015-08-10 04:00 <nebadon> the Windows 10 Technical Preview as terrible
2015-08-10 04:02 <nebadon> http://windows.wonderhowto.com/inspiration/everything-you-need-disable-windows-10-0163552/
2015-08-10 04:02 <dahlia> how long did it take to upgrade?
2015-08-10 04:02 <nebadon> less than an hour
2015-08-10 04:02 <dahlia> heh
2015-08-10 04:02 <dahlia> anything not working?
2015-08-10 04:02 <nebadon> the only thing I had trouble with intially was virtualbox
2015-08-10 04:02 <dahlia> synergy?
2015-08-10 04:03 <nebadon> the vbox website says v5.0 has trouble with windows 10, and to download their beta version for windows 10 fixes
2015-08-10 04:03 <nebadon> so i did, and the beta wouldnt even start for me
2015-08-10 04:03 <nebadon> so i gave 5.0 a try, and it seems fine
2015-08-10 04:03 <nebadon> I dont use synergy
2015-08-10 04:03 <dahlia> oh
2015-08-10 04:03 <nebadon> but I imagine it would probably work fine
2015-08-10 04:03 <dahlia> I need synergy
2015-08-10 04:03 <nebadon> if it works in 7/8.1
2015-08-10 04:03 <nebadon> its very likely just going to work in 10
2015-08-10 04:04 <dahlia> kinda does... some update in 8.1 broke the shift key but otherwise ok
2015-08-10 04:04 <dahlia> I somehow manage without shift on remotes
2015-08-10 04:05 <nebadon> my computer definitely feels faster on Windows 10
2015-08-10 04:05 <nebadon> not that it was really slow on 8.1
2015-08-10 04:05 <nebadon> it just feels more responsive
2015-08-10 04:05 <dahlia> 8.1 isnt bad
2015-08-10 04:05 <dahlia> seemed to have better memory management than 7
2015-08-10 04:06 <nebadon> yea 10 so far seems even better, time will tell though
2015-08-10 04:07 <dahlia> give it time ;)
2015-08-10 04:07 <nebadon> to be honest Im quite shocked though the out of the box look and feel
2015-08-10 04:07 <nebadon> microsoft is definitely in full retreat mode
2015-08-10 04:07 <nebadon> think they learned their lesson hard heh
2015-08-10 04:08 <nebadon> i fully expected 10 to be a complete botch job
2015-08-10 04:08 <nebadon> xbox integration looks interesting
2015-08-10 04:08 <nebadon> ability to maybe play xbox games on pc
2015-08-10 04:09 <nebadon> not something im at all interested in personally, but I think it could be a big draw possibly
2015-08-10 04:11 <nebadon> that said i'll still be booted into linux most of the time lol
2015-08-10 04:12 <dahlia> oh I thought the xbox thing was a streaming service?
2015-08-10 04:12 <Ken_S> Nebadon, a lot of people are saying to make sure to uninstall classic shell before upgrading to Win 10.
2015-08-10 04:12 <dahlia> why?
2015-08-10 04:12 <Ken_S> It caused the upgrade to fail for me.
2015-08-10 04:13 <Ken_S> 10-20 secs after logging into windows, it would reboot
2015-08-10 04:13 <dahlia> I hear they took some stuff out like the movie thing, the dvd player, and solitaire
2015-08-10 04:14 <dahlia> kinda lame if no dvd player
2015-08-10 04:14 <dahlia> but I guess everyone just torrents movies anyway
2015-08-10 04:22 <Ken_S> Who has time for movies anymore? lol
2015-08-10 04:35 <nebadon> i had it installed before upgrade
2015-08-10 04:35 <nebadon> and no problems
2015-08-10 04:35 <nebadon> i did however have to re-install it
2015-08-10 04:35 <nebadon> i installed from a ISO i burned to a dvd thoug
2015-08-10 04:36 <nebadon> that to me seemed like the safest route
2015-08-10 04:37 <Ken_S> The upgrade on my Surface Pro 2 went perfect, but on desktop upgrade while keeping all files and settings did not.
2015-08-10 04:37 <nebadon> i upgraded from Windows 8.1
2015-08-10 04:37 <Ken_S> Had to reinstall desktop from scratch to eliminate startup issues.
2015-08-10 04:37 <Ken_S> Yes, I did too.
2015-08-10 04:38 <nebadon> I was quite suprrised how painless the upgrade went for me
2015-08-10 04:38 <nebadon> it was my Asus G750JH laptop its a nice machine
2015-08-10 04:38 <Ken_S> There was something loading shortly after startup that was making it crash, some existing software, which I suspect was eith Classic Shell or Fences
2015-08-10 04:39 <nebadon> I had classicshell installed prior to upgrade so its unlikely it was it
2015-08-10 04:39 <Ken_S> My son had a similar issue with his desktop. His was caused by an old video driver.
2015-08-10 04:43 <Ken_S> Since then it has been solid as a rock on both my computers.
2015-08-10 06:43 <dahlia> nebadon: any regrets yet?
2015-08-10 06:46 <nebadon> nope
2015-08-10 06:47 <nebadon> one thing that is kind of bad, not totally bad though, but it keeps a copy of your original windows on the primary hardrive
2015-08-10 06:47 <nebadon> so it uses up a little bit of space, like however much your old windows folder took up basically
2015-08-10 06:48 <nebadon> there might be a way to purge it manually, no doubt there is I havent looked yet
2015-08-10 06:48 <nebadon> im leaving it for now
2015-08-10 06:48 <dahlia> got the x64 iso and burned it, gonna try on w7 laptop if I can get the dvd reader to cooperate
2015-08-10 06:48 <nebadon> another sort of annoying thing I cant disable the touchpad
2015-08-10 06:48 <nebadon> havent figure out how to yet
2015-08-10 06:48 <nebadon> nice
2015-08-10 06:49 <dahlia> would be nice if I could just do a new install
2015-08-10 06:49 <nebadon> you actually can
2015-08-10 06:49 <nebadon> its an option
2015-08-10 06:49 <dahlia> on asus comp, it gave me a tiny c: (around 250 gb)
2015-08-10 06:49 <nebadon> might be the first question the install asks you
2015-08-10 06:49 <dahlia> and a bigger partition for d:
2015-08-10 06:50 <nebadon> ya same
2015-08-10 06:50 <dahlia> grrrr old laptop dvd is borked
2015-08-10 06:50 <nebadon> i have a 256gb SSD and 1tb spinning
2015-08-10 06:50 <nebadon> have a 4gb USB stick?
2015-08-10 06:50 <dahlia> nope
2015-08-10 06:51 <dahlia> well maybe
2015-08-10 06:51 <dahlia> hmmm
2015-08-10 06:51 <nebadon> http://rufus.akeo.ie/
2015-08-10 06:52 <nebadon> http://www.intowindows.com/create-uefi-bootable-usb-of-windows-10/
2015-08-10 06:52 <dahlia> oh I think the downloader would let it create a bootable usb?
2015-08-10 06:53 <nebadon> not sure maybe
2015-08-10 06:53 <nebadon> i only ever tried the iso
2015-08-10 06:53 <dahlia> thought I remember it saying that
2015-08-10 06:53 <dahlia> I have an external usb dvd somewhere also
2015-08-10 06:53 <dahlia> which always works
2015-08-10 06:54 <nebadon> http://wudt.codeplex.com/
2015-08-10 06:54 <nebadon> found this too
2015-08-10 06:54 <dahlia> laptop dvds are horrid
2015-08-10 06:54 <Plugh> nebadon: A machine of yours was updated to Win 10?
2015-08-10 06:54 <nebadon> ya i updated my laptop
2015-08-10 06:54 <Plugh> ok
2015-08-10 06:54 <nebadon> its an Asus G750JH
2015-08-10 06:54 <dahlia> opensim run?
2015-08-10 06:54 <nebadon> https://www.asus.com/ROG-Republic-Of-Gamers/ASUS_ROG_G750JH/
2015-08-10 06:54 <Plugh> Odd thing. I registered to get the update. My dad must have done so later. He has had his computer update to 10 already and I'm still waiting.
2015-08-10 06:55 <nebadon> I have not tried running opensim but no doubt it does
2015-08-10 06:55 <Plugh> Not that I'm in any hurry to have my laptop updated.
2015-08-10 06:55 <nebadon> if you download the iso you can do it right away
2015-08-10 06:55 <Plugh> yea, I know. I'm not in that much of a rush.
2015-08-10 06:55 <nebadon> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO
2015-08-10 06:55 <nebadon> yea I got tired of waiting lol
2015-08-10 06:55 <Plugh> yup. I found the information about that a while ago.
2015-08-10 06:55 <nebadon> plus i feel like doing it from iso seems safer
2015-08-10 06:55 <dahlia> Plugh: Im still aiting too. I downloaded the iso on that link nebadon had
2015-08-10 06:56 <nebadon> first thing it does is scan your computer
2015-08-10 06:56 <Plugh> I'm wondering if my main programs under Windows will still work in 10.
2015-08-10 06:56 <nebadon> and gives you a report on how compatible / upgradable everything you have is
2015-08-10 06:56 <nebadon> if it can it will update software for you
2015-08-10 06:56 <nebadon> if not you get the chance to abort etc.. deal with it yourself
2015-08-10 06:57 <nebadon> my machine was very clean, it didnt give tell me anything wasnt compatible
2015-08-10 06:57 <Plugh> My one issue would be with my 3D modelling program. No update available without spending a lot of money to get it.
2015-08-10 06:57 <nebadon> shouldnt really need any updates for Windows 10
2015-08-10 06:58 <Plugh> Maybe not but the program is a few years old.
2015-08-10 06:58 <nebadon> if it runs in Windows 7 / 8.1 its pretty much going to run in 10
2015-08-10 06:59 <nebadon> I didnt even have to reinstall drivers after upgrade
2015-08-10 06:59 <Plugh> My program is only(?) 4 years old.
2015-08-10 06:59 <nebadon> though I did download newer nvidia drivers 
2015-08-10 06:59 <nebadon> I doubt anything in the past 6-7 years will have any trouble in Windows 10
2015-08-10 06:59 <Plugh> no idea. Windows 7/8.1 didn't exist back then. I've not tried it in either.
2015-08-10 07:00 <Plugh> oh, yeah. I guess it does run in 8.1 so it will be ok.
2015-08-10 07:00 <nebadon> Windows 7 came out in 2009
2015-08-10 07:00 <Plugh> None of my computers ran 7.
2015-08-10 07:00 <nebadon> ah ya
2015-08-10 07:01 <Plugh> XP then 8 when I got a new laptop.
2015-08-10 07:01 <nebadon> it still has the Compatibility mode too
2015-08-10 07:01 <nebadon> the compatability mode list goes back to Windows 95
2015-08-10 07:03 <nebadon> Microsoft did a surprisingly good job with 10 I really didnt think they would
2015-08-10 07:04 <nebadon> Virtual Desktops is a nice addition too
2015-08-10 07:04 <nebadon> its more like Android Virtual Desktops though
2015-08-10 07:04 <nebadon> not the traditional linux method
2015-08-10 07:07 <lkalif> I like windows 10
2015-08-10 07:08 <dahlia> serious blind moment: dig thru closet to find portable dvd drive. Find box, pull out drive and power supply and usb cable. close box and put away. Realize ac cable is missing and pull box out again and get ac cable. put box away. assemble. Cant find usb cable. dig thru a bunch of crap and find another usb cable and then see the original one is laying next to the drive :/
2015-08-10 07:09 <nebadon> heh
2015-08-10 07:09 <dahlia> :P
2015-08-10 07:09 <nebadon> Well Ive done that and I have fairly ok vision
2015-08-10 07:09 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-10 07:09 <dahlia> I lose soo much stuff that's right in front of me
2015-08-10 07:09 <dahlia> find it a week later
2015-08-10 07:13 <dahlia> hmmm it wants a product key
2015-08-10 07:13 <dahlia> nebadon: did it ask you?
2015-08-10 07:14 <nebadon> no it didnt
2015-08-10 07:14 <nebadon> wait
2015-08-10 07:14 <nebadon> are you booting from the DVD?
2015-08-10 07:15 <nebadon> dont do that
2015-08-10 07:15 <dahlia> oh
2015-08-10 07:15 <nebadon> autorun it
2015-08-10 07:15 <nebadon> from Windows 
2015-08-10 07:15 <dahlia> kk
2015-08-10 07:19 <nebadon> here is what my desktop currently looks like
2015-08-10 07:19 <nebadon> with classicshell menu
2015-08-10 07:19 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/windows10_01.png
2015-08-10 07:21 <nebadon> the Windows 10 calculator is amzing too
2015-08-10 07:21 <nebadon> that alone is worth the upgrade
2015-08-10 07:21 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-10 07:22 <nebadon> definitely the best calculator app i ever used
2015-08-10 07:22 <CmdrCupcake> Windows 10 has a funny kernel memory leak for me :(
2015-08-10 07:23 <dahlia> orly?
2015-08-10 07:25 <CmdrCupcake> System is eating over 2 gigs of ram so far :O
2015-08-10 07:27 <nebadon> memory looking pretty good for me
2015-08-10 07:27 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/windows10_02.png
2015-08-10 07:32 <dahlia> CmdrCupcake: are you running low as if you can't open apps? maybe it's using it for buffers or something like linux does
2015-08-10 07:32 <CmdrCupcake> Nah I have 32 gigs of ram lol
2015-08-10 07:33 <dahlia> pffft who cares :P
2015-08-10 07:33 <CmdrCupcake> its just concerning that I can watch System's memory usage slowly grow over the course of the week :P
2015-08-10 07:33 <CmdrCupcake> and never shrink
2015-08-10 07:33 <nebadon> it will only shrink when windows needs it
2015-08-10 07:33 <nebadon> linux is the same way
2015-08-10 07:33 <nebadon> nothing to worry about
2015-08-10 07:34 <nebadon> its cheaper to keep something in memory until you absolutely dont need it anymore
2015-08-10 07:34 <nebadon> than to keep reloading it into memory over and over again
2015-08-10 07:34 <dahlia> "Making sure you're ready to install" <spinning thingie> "Please wait"
2015-08-10 07:34 <nebadon> nice
2015-08-10 07:34 <dahlia> how long does that take?
2015-08-10 07:35 <nebadon> the whole process for me took just about 1 hour
2015-08-10 07:35 <nebadon> from starting the exe to completion
2015-08-10 07:35 <nebadon> on 2.4ghz i7
2015-08-10 07:35 <dahlia> ya this is kinda old laptop
2015-08-10 07:35 <dahlia> i5
2015-08-10 07:36 <nebadon> install is likely single thread
2015-08-10 07:36 <nebadon> so probably not a huge difference
2015-08-10 07:36 <dahlia> I think its scanning the drive
2015-08-10 07:36 <dahlia> and its a slow drive
2015-08-10 07:36 <nebadon> ya alot of that tends to be how much software it has to analyze too
2015-08-10 07:36 <dahlia> probably a ton of crapware
2015-08-10 07:36 <nebadon> 5 installed apps vs 500 installed apps etc..
2015-08-10 07:37 <nebadon> I keep my laptop as lean as I can
2015-08-10 07:37 <dahlia> I replaced the drive a year or 2 ago and used a slower drive
2015-08-10 07:37 <nebadon> I suspect at worst it will take a couple hours
2015-08-10 07:37 <nebadon> even on slow older hardware
2015-08-10 07:38 <nebadon> I have been seeing a lot of talk about Windows 10 running on quite old hardware
2015-08-10 07:38 <nebadon> like 10+ years old
2015-08-10 07:39 <nebadon> I think they want to kill XP
2015-08-10 07:39 <nebadon> so they made it so it will run on XP level hardware too
2015-08-10 07:39 <dahlia> supposedly same os for phones and tablets
2015-08-10 07:39 <nebadon> yea
2015-08-10 07:39 <nebadon> the Arm support looks interesting
2015-08-10 07:39 <nebadon> the ability to make apps that directly boot and run on say Raspberry Pi
2015-08-10 07:40 <nebadon> no actual operating system, just a bare bones container
2015-08-10 07:40 <nebadon> that will boot on hardware
2015-08-10 07:40 <dahlia> if I like it i may consider getting a windows phone. My android phone is starting to crap out and I dont really like android
2015-08-10 07:40 <nebadon> microsoft actually already has test rom out
2015-08-10 07:40 <nebadon> to load Windows 10 on Android phones
2015-08-10 07:41 <nebadon> it only works on 1 particular phone at the moment
2015-08-10 07:41 <dahlia> ya but my phone super ancient
2015-08-10 07:41 <nebadon> ya it will likely require fairly new phone, who knows how far they will take that
2015-08-10 07:41 <nebadon> they also want to be able to run Android apps on Windows 10 phones
2015-08-10 07:41 <nebadon> basically instamarket for their devices
2015-08-10 07:42 <dahlia> lol
2015-08-10 07:42 <dahlia> maybe oracle will sue them too 
2015-08-10 07:42 <nebadon> haha
2015-08-10 07:42 <dahlia> meh they will prolly use oracle java
2015-08-10 07:42 <dahlia> rather than dalvik
2015-08-10 07:43 <nebadon> knowing microsoft they will have their own 3rd bastard child
2015-08-10 07:43 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-10 07:43 <nebadon> ie all over again
2015-08-10 07:43 <dahlia> .net :D
2015-08-10 07:43 <CmdrCupcake> Dalvik was replaced. :O
2015-08-10 07:43 <nebadon> J#++
2015-08-10 07:43 <dahlia> was it?
2015-08-10 07:44 <CmdrCupcake> Yeah./
2015-08-10 07:44 <CmdrCupcake> ART
2015-08-10 07:44 <dahlia> with what?
2015-08-10 07:44 <dahlia> whats ART?
2015-08-10 07:45 <CmdrCupcake> http://source.android.com/devices/tech/dalvik/
2015-08-10 07:45 <CmdrCupcake> Fancy new on-device AOT compiler
2015-08-10 07:46 <dahlia> hmmm
2015-08-10 07:46 <dahlia> anything Ive done on android lately has been ndk
2015-08-10 07:47 <dahlia> except for the little java shim that calls it but I didnt pay attention to what runs it
2015-08-10 07:48 <dahlia> "Installing Windows 10"
2015-08-10 07:48 <dahlia> :D
2015-08-10 07:49 <nebadon> you have the circle thing?
2015-08-10 07:49 <dahlia> 
ACTION wonders if there is an undo....

2015-08-10 07:49 <nebadon> there is
2015-08-10 07:49 <nebadon> you have 90 days to downgrade I think
2015-08-10 07:49 <dahlia> circle thing?
2015-08-10 07:49 <nebadon> are you on the screen, black screen with big white circle yet?
2015-08-10 07:50 <nebadon> will have % # in the center of how complete
2015-08-10 07:50 <dahlia> dark blue screen "Installing Windows 10"
2015-08-10 07:50 <CmdrCupcake> You can downgrade for 90 days as long as you dont try to cleanup the old copy of windows.
2015-08-10 07:50 <dahlia> <spinning thingie> 5& complete
2015-08-10 07:51 <dahlia> 5%
2015-08-10 07:51 <nebadon> ya I am so cleaning that up before 90 days
2015-08-10 07:51 <nebadon> its eating quite a bit of my drive
2015-08-10 07:51 <nebadon> currently have 17.2gb free :(
2015-08-10 07:51 <nebadon> I have more free ram than hard drive
2015-08-10 07:51 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-10 07:52 <dahlia> stupid fraps eats my drive
2015-08-10 07:52 <nebadon> eeew
2015-08-10 07:52 <nebadon> use Open Broadcaster
2015-08-10 07:52 <nebadon> fraps is dead to me
2015-08-10 07:52 <dahlia> I accidently enable it and drive goes zap
2015-08-10 07:52 <dahlia> ya Ive been using obs lately
2015-08-10 07:52 <nebadon> also Windows 10 has built in free fraps now
2015-08-10 07:52 <dahlia> oh?
2015-08-10 07:52 <nebadon> yea
2015-08-10 07:53 <dahlia> with compression?
2015-08-10 07:53 <nebadon> http://www.howtogeek.com/219947/how-to-record-pc-gameplay-with-windows-10%E2%80%99s-game-dvr-and-game-bar/?PageSpeed=noscript
2015-08-10 07:53 <nebadon> I think so yes
2015-08-10 07:53 <nebadon> better than fraps anyway
2015-08-10 07:53 <nebadon> heh
2015-08-10 07:54 <nebadon> there is also Nvidia Shadowplay
2015-08-10 07:54 <nebadon> which is fantastic too
2015-08-10 07:54 <nebadon> I recorded this with shadowplay > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J-ETJGoxpw
2015-08-10 07:54 <nebadon> Fraps nor OBS could record it
2015-08-10 07:54 <dahlia> I did this with obs, looks ok https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyfCTvQSc-s
2015-08-10 07:55 <nebadon> buxw
2015-08-10 07:55 <nebadon> nice*
2015-08-10 07:55 <nebadon> ya OBS is great
2015-08-10 07:55 <dahlia> ya good compression
2015-08-10 07:55 <nebadon> its definitely my go to app, i need to test out the Windows 10 recording still
2015-08-10 07:57 <dahlia> oh the nvidia endless city thing
2015-08-10 08:04 <nebadon> yea
2015-08-10 08:05 <nebadon> damn, the graphics in GTA5 seem better
2015-08-10 08:05 <nebadon> first time i tried it since upgrade, sheesh
2015-08-10 08:06 <nebadon> the lighting seems a lot better
2015-08-10 08:06 <dahlia> D3D12 is supposedly enabled, dunno if GTA uses it
2015-08-10 08:07 <dahlia> thats why I want w10
2015-08-10 08:07 <nebadon> ya im not sure either
2015-08-10 08:07 <nebadon> reflections off the car are crazy now
2015-08-10 08:07 <nebadon> definitely improved for sure
2015-08-10 08:07 <dahlia> d3d11 and older are now emulated on d3d12
2015-08-10 08:07 <nebadon> i feel like i can see farther too
2015-08-10 08:07 <nebadon> the depth of field is way better now too
2015-08-10 08:08 <dahlia> d3d12 is massive perf capable
2015-08-10 08:08 <nebadon> ya i can tell
2015-08-10 08:08 <nebadon> feels like a different game honestly
2015-08-10 08:09 <dahlia> can you check gta settings? maybe it says
2015-08-10 08:09 <nebadon> it says DX11
2015-08-10 08:09 <dahlia> ok now I have the circle with 0%
2015-08-10 08:10 <nebadon> man the sun reflection off the car is so distracting now lol
2015-08-10 08:10 <nebadon> at certain angles its blinding
2015-08-10 08:10 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-10 08:11 <dahlia> try opengl stuff?
2015-08-10 08:11 <nebadon> just the viewer
2015-08-10 08:12 <nebadon> which worked good, not much change, but it ran great
2015-08-10 08:16 <nebadon> nice i did a quick video capture with built in capture
2015-08-10 08:16 <nebadon> using default settings 1 sec
2015-08-10 08:17 <nebadon> it exactly 1 minute and 70.6mb
2015-08-10 08:17 <nebadon> damn looks really good
2015-08-10 08:17 <nebadon> 1 sec i'll post it
2015-08-10 08:19 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/gta5/GTA5-Win10cap-001.mp4
2015-08-10 08:19 <nebadon> dahlia ^
2015-08-10 08:19 <nebadon> man that looks really good heh
2015-08-10 08:20 <dahlia> lol
2015-08-10 08:21 <dahlia> a bit more realistic than my driving game :/
2015-08-10 08:21 <nebadon> ya GTA5 is a masterpiece
2015-08-10 08:21 <nebadon> its more art than game
2015-08-10 08:21 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-10 08:22 <nebadon> I just drive around marveling at the beauty
2015-08-10 08:22 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/gta5/GTA5_Jeep_Offroading_01.mp4
2015-08-10 08:24 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/gta5/GTA5_Speedboat_01.mp4
2015-08-10 08:26 <dahlia> try mine: http://di01.wwweb3d.net/AGame.html
2015-08-10 08:27 <nebadon> hehe ya I have
2015-08-10 08:27 <nebadon> last time I got stuck on a mushroom hehe
2015-08-10 08:28 <dahlia> its faster now
2015-08-10 08:31 <nebadon> I think i beat it 
2015-08-10 08:31 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-10 08:31 <nebadon> i got to 140 points cant find anymore zombies
2015-08-10 08:31 <nebadon> just finding corpses
2015-08-10 08:32 <dahlia> oh theres more
2015-08-10 08:32 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-10 08:32 <dahlia> still working on ai, soon they will gang up on you
2015-08-10 08:32 <dahlia> FF says your vid is corrupt
2015-08-10 08:32 <nebadon> yea ff sucks for video anymore
2015-08-10 08:32 <nebadon> it plays in chrome though
2015-08-10 08:33 <dahlia> ff is awful
2015-08-10 08:33 <dahlia> so sick of it
2015-08-10 08:33 <nebadon> ya it used to be so good
2015-08-10 08:33 <nebadon> its even worse on android
2015-08-10 08:33 <nebadon> its absolutel horrible on android anymore
2015-08-10 08:33 <dahlia> can you try my game in the new ms browser?
2015-08-10 08:33 <nebadon> oh ya 1 sec
2015-08-10 08:33 <nebadon> this machine is linux actually
2015-08-10 08:34 <nebadon> I actually havent tried edge yet
2015-08-10 08:34 <dahlia> oh
2015-08-10 08:34 <nebadon> oh crap i forgot
2015-08-10 08:34 <dahlia> thought you were on w10
2015-08-10 08:34 <nebadon> i uninstalled it
2015-08-10 08:34 <nebadon> lolz
2015-08-10 08:34 <dahlia> :P
2015-08-10 08:34 <nebadon> 2 computers
2015-08-10 08:34 <dahlia> why?
2015-08-10 08:34 <nebadon> this one is linux
2015-08-10 08:34 <nebadon> ah well i didnt plan on actually using it
2015-08-10 08:34 <nebadon> i can reinstall it
2015-08-10 08:34 <dahlia> I kinda like opera
2015-08-10 08:35 <dahlia> may switch
2015-08-10 08:35 <dahlia> FF is just bug ridden
2015-08-10 08:35 <dahlia> keeps getting worse
2015-08-10 08:35 <nebadon> ya sucks it has great addons
2015-08-10 08:35 <nebadon> thats really why i like firefox
2015-08-10 08:37 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-10 08:37 <nebadon> have to reboot for edge install 1 sec
2015-08-10 08:38 <dahlia> wooo 50%
2015-08-10 08:39 <nebadon> nice ya probably take about 2 hour total for you or soo, little less
2015-08-10 08:40 <nebadon> got a warning about java
2015-08-10 08:40 <nebadon> asking me to enable java SSV helper
2015-08-10 08:41 <nebadon> dahlia no go
2015-08-10 08:41 <nebadon> says "Exception Thrown, See JavaScript Console
2015-08-10 08:41 <nebadon> which i have no idea where that is lol
2015-08-10 08:42 <nebadon> webgl doesnt even seem to work though
2015-08-10 08:42 <nebadon> so dont feel too bad
2015-08-10 08:42 <nebadon> shadertoy doesnt work in edge either apparantly
2015-08-10 08:42 <nebadon> this browser sucks
2015-08-10 08:42 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-10 08:42 <nebadon> its literally IE
2015-08-10 08:42 <nebadon> they didnt even try to change anything
2015-08-10 08:42 <nebadon> oh wait a second
2015-08-10 08:42 <nebadon> this is IE wtf
2015-08-10 08:43 <nebadon> huh
2015-08-10 08:43 <nebadon> so i guess windows 10 doesnt come with edge
2015-08-10 08:44 <nebadon> im so confused
2015-08-10 08:45 <nebadon> dahlia there doesnt seem to be a new browser installed by default
2015-08-10 08:45 <nebadon> just Internet Explorer 11
2015-08-10 08:45 <nebadon> so odd
2015-08-10 08:46 <dahlia> orly?
2015-08-10 08:46 <nebadon> i search on start menu search for apps named Edge
2015-08-10 08:46 <nebadon> nada
2015-08-10 08:46 <nebadon> google search seems to imply its just part of windows 10
2015-08-10 08:46 <nebadon> but the E icon on my desktop
2015-08-10 08:46 <nebadon> i go to About and it says Internet Explorer 11
2015-08-10 08:46 <dahlia> maybe need to start it by name
2015-08-10 08:47 <dahlia> go to start and type "edge"
2015-08-10 08:47 <nebadon> I did
2015-08-10 08:47 <nebadon> nothing
2015-08-10 08:47 <dahlia> hmmm
2015-08-10 08:47 <nebadon> and even under Windows Accessories on start menu
2015-08-10 08:47 <nebadon> it says "Internet Explorer"
2015-08-10 08:47 <dahlia> search?
2015-08-10 08:48 <dahlia> maybe it didnt like being uninstalled
2015-08-10 08:48 <nebadon> http://superuser.com/questions/949294/how-to-install-start-the-new-windows-10-edge-browser
2015-08-10 08:49 <nebadon> im reading this now
2015-08-10 08:49 <nebadon> wow this is insane
2015-08-10 08:49 <nebadon> maybe because of upgrade
2015-08-10 08:49 <nebadon> but it appears microsoft never made an icon for it
2015-08-10 08:49 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-10 08:49 <nebadon> wtf
2015-08-10 08:50 <nebadon> ok well this is officially strike #1
2015-08-10 08:50 <nebadon> for sure lol
2015-08-10 08:50 <nebadon> thats some serious rookie shit though
2015-08-10 08:50 <nebadon> how did they miss this
2015-08-10 08:51 <dahlia> try an ubuntu upgrade some time :P
2015-08-10 08:51 <nebadon> i created shortcut and it launched
2015-08-10 08:51 <nebadon> %windir%\explorer.exe shell:Appsfolder\Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wekyb3d8bbwe!MicrosoftEdge
2015-08-10 08:51 <nebadon> make a short cut to thaty
2015-08-10 08:52 <nebadon> man this is wierd browser
2015-08-10 08:52 <nebadon> this feels like they ripped it straight off of Ipad
2015-08-10 08:53 <nebadon> omg it burnzs our eyezzz...
2015-08-10 08:53 <nebadon> this is some serious ipad bullshit this browser
2015-08-10 08:53 <nebadon> no wonder they didnt make an icon for it
2015-08-10 08:53 <nebadon> i woudlnt have either
2015-08-10 08:53 <dahlia> try the game
2015-08-10 08:53 <nebadon> im trying its wierd
2015-08-10 08:54 <nebadon> it wont even load google.com
2015-08-10 08:54 <dahlia> lol
2015-08-10 08:54 <nebadon> this web browser is useless
2015-08-10 08:54 <nebadon> maybe its not ready yet
2015-08-10 08:54 <dahlia> bing.com
2015-08-10 08:54 <dahlia> maybe reinstall didnt work
2015-08-10 08:54 <nebadon> no that was IE
2015-08-10 08:54 <dahlia> oh
2015-08-10 08:55 <nebadon> man, I was really starting to think microsoft really nailed it
2015-08-10 08:55 <nebadon> then they go an pull this shit out
2015-08-10 08:55 <nebadon> this is wretched
2015-08-10 08:56 <nebadon> i seriously feel like Im looking at an ipad screen when Edge is up
2015-08-10 08:56 <dahlia> like I said, try an ubuntu upgrade sometime
2015-08-10 08:56 <nebadon> no i just mean Edge
2015-08-10 08:56 <nebadon> the upgrade was amazing
2015-08-10 08:56 <nebadon> but this edge browser is just terrible
2015-08-10 08:56 <nebadon> it cant possibly be complete
2015-08-10 08:57 <dahlia> maybe install failed and thats why no icon
2015-08-10 08:57 <nebadon> ok people are complaining its some kind of side effect of upgrade
2015-08-10 08:57 <nebadon> saying doing a clean install of windows it works
2015-08-10 08:58 <nebadon> its wierd i cant load any websites at all with it
2015-08-10 08:58 <nebadon> and the preferences are even more apple'esq
2015-08-10 08:58 <nebadon> if you go into Settintg
2015-08-10 08:58 <nebadon> dear god do they have no shame
2015-08-10 08:59 <nebadon> im just going to chalk this up to something went wrong on upgrade
2015-08-10 08:59 <nebadon> and eventually they will fix it
2015-08-10 09:00 <nebadon> because nothing could be this bad on purpose
2015-08-10 09:00 <dahlia> https://youtu.be/CW0DUg63lqU?t=15
2015-08-10 09:03 <nebadon> well one thing is clear, Microsoft is just not good at web browsers
2015-08-10 09:03 <nebadon> [X] Confirmed
2015-08-10 09:05 <dahlia> did you do the updates?
2015-08-10 09:05 <dahlia> when you installed?
2015-08-10 09:05 <nebadon> there is no obvious windows update
2015-08-10 09:06 <dahlia> when I started the install it asked me if I wanted to download updates
2015-08-10 09:06 <dahlia> I clicked the later button
2015-08-10 09:06 <nebadon> oh ya I did do that
2015-08-10 09:06 <nebadon> but now you have me curious
2015-08-10 09:06 <nebadon> i have no idea where the actual Windows Update is
2015-08-10 09:06 <dahlia> you clicked later?
2015-08-10 09:07 <nebadon> i cant recall
2015-08-10 09:07 <nebadon> I think i said now
2015-08-10 09:07 <dahlia> ah
2015-08-10 09:07 <nebadon> ah I found Windows update
2015-08-10 09:07 <dahlia> I cant imagine them having a big fail on their flagship new browser
2015-08-10 09:07 <nebadon> its in the fancy new control panel
2015-08-10 09:07 <nebadon> no icon anymore in old style control panel
2015-08-10 09:08 <nebadon> oh and here is the Windows Defender settings too
2015-08-10 09:08 <nebadon> no updates at this time
2015-08-10 09:33 <dahlia> well it came up, display very low res like it cant load the nvidia driver
2015-08-10 09:33 <dahlia> but edge was right in front of start screen
2015-08-10 09:34 <dahlia> and works
2015-08-10 09:35 <nebadon> ya something is not right for me
2015-08-10 09:35 <nebadon> the Windows App store also doesnt load
2015-08-10 09:35 <nebadon> other people are complaining of same symptoms
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2015-08-10 09:49 <dahlia> oooou
2015-08-10 09:49 <dahlia> i installed new nvidia driver and now looks pretty and it even remembered I had the extra screen set to main :D
2015-08-10 09:49 <dahlia> and synergy still working too :D
2015-08-10 09:49 <nebadon> nice
2015-08-10 09:50 <nebadon> im trying to figure out whats up here. something not right
2015-08-10 09:50 <nebadon> I might need to make a new user for windows
2015-08-10 09:50 <dahlia> there were some options in the installm use edge was one of htem
2015-08-10 09:50 <dahlia> them
2015-08-10 09:50 <danbanner> removing edge screws up stuff?
2015-08-10 09:50 <nebadon> I cant get edge working
2015-08-10 09:50 <nebadon> or the windows app store
2015-08-10 09:51 <danbanner> both work fine on my pc
2015-08-10 09:51 <nebadon> ya I suspect its some kind of policy setting
2015-08-10 09:51 <nebadon> one suggestion was to make a new user 
2015-08-10 09:51 <danbanner> are you logged into your live account?
2015-08-10 09:51 <nebadon> trying to avoid that if possible
2015-08-10 09:51 <nebadon> no
2015-08-10 09:51 <nebadon> I dont even know if i have a live account
2015-08-10 09:51 <danbanner> the app store requires you to be logged in
2015-08-10 09:52 <nebadon> ah maybe edge does too then
2015-08-10 09:52 <nebadon> thats lame if so
2015-08-10 09:52 <nebadon> i really dont want to use a live account
2015-08-10 09:52 <danbanner> i think cortana also needs that
2015-08-10 09:52 <nebadon> ya also dont want cortana
2015-08-10 09:54 <nebadon> I was just interested in trying Edge
2015-08-10 09:55 <danbanner> edge works pretty good
2015-08-10 09:55 <nebadon> and it let to these other discovery of stuff not working right
2015-08-10 09:55 <nebadon> im sure its fixable
2015-08-10 09:59 <nebadon> trying a new user account now
2015-08-10 09:59 <nebadon> i suspect this will work
2015-08-10 10:02 <nebadon> hmm well that sucks didnt help, new user does have an edge icon but it doesnt work still
2015-08-10 10:04 <nebadon> GTFO
2015-08-10 10:04 <nebadon> figured it out
2015-08-10 10:04 <danbanner> ?
2015-08-10 10:05 <nebadon> DNS Client service was disabled
2015-08-10 10:05 <danbanner> huh
2015-08-10 10:05 <nebadon> http://www.tenforums.com/installation-setup/10598-microsoft-edge-store-not-working-windows-10-a.html
2015-08-10 10:05 <nebadon> pheew
2015-08-10 10:05 <nebadon> i was starting to worry
2015-08-10 10:06 <nebadon> nice, webgl works well in Edge
2015-08-10 10:06 <nebadon> looking at my website
2015-08-10 10:06 <nebadon> check this out
2015-08-10 10:06 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com
2015-08-10 10:06 <nebadon> refresh a couple of times
2015-08-10 10:07 <danbanner> nice
2015-08-10 10:08 <osmantis> Bug #7278:04 Attachment scripts always reset themselves after TP/Region Cross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-10 10:08 <nebadon> Edge is a little slow loading some of these
2015-08-10 10:08 <nebadon> compared to chrome and FF
2015-08-10 10:09 <danbanner> still looks pretty decent
2015-08-10 10:09 <nebadon> ya
2015-08-10 10:09 <nebadon> better than IE11
2015-08-10 10:09 <nebadon> still its very iOS rip off look
2015-08-10 10:10 <nebadon> needs a better skin
2015-08-10 10:10 <nebadon> and the preferences are not good
2015-08-10 10:10 <nebadon> its better than IE though lol
2015-08-10 10:10 <dahlia> try my game
2015-08-10 10:11 <nebadon> oh ya lol
2015-08-10 10:11 <nebadon> what sent me down this dark path
2015-08-10 10:11 <nebadon> what is URL again?
2015-08-10 10:11 <nebadon> dan btw did you see this
2015-08-10 10:11 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/gta5/GTA5-Win10cap-001.mp4
2015-08-10 10:11 <dahlia> http://di01.wwweb3d.net/AGame.html
2015-08-10 10:11 <nebadon> danbanner check out that vid
2015-08-10 10:11 <nebadon> done with the built in capture
2015-08-10 10:11 <nebadon> as is i didnt recompress or anything
2015-08-10 10:12 <nebadon> 1 minute = 70mb
2015-08-10 10:12 <nebadon> destroys fraps
2015-08-10 10:12 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-10 10:12 <nebadon> waiting on site to load dahlia
2015-08-10 10:13 <nebadon> just says Running.. with spinning circle thing
2015-08-10 10:13 <dahlia> ya big file
2015-08-10 10:13 <nebadon> ok changing now
2015-08-10 10:13 <dahlia> oh ya it does massive initialization to build pathfinding stuff
2015-08-10 10:13 <dahlia> takes a while to start
2015-08-10 10:13 <nebadon> hmm purple screen now
2015-08-10 10:13 <nebadon> the box at bottom says "Initialized Engine" on last line
2015-08-10 10:13 <nebadon> doesnt seem to be doing anything
2015-08-10 10:13 <nebadon> did it load in Edge for you?
2015-08-10 10:14 <dahlia> thats about as far as I got
2015-08-10 10:14 <nebadon> ok ya im refreshing again
2015-08-10 10:14 <nebadon> but appear no go
2015-08-10 10:14 <dahlia> :(
2015-08-10 10:14 <dahlia> all other browsers seem to work
2015-08-10 10:15 <dahlia> even IE last I tried
2015-08-10 10:15 <nebadon> http://img.niadd.com/funnypictures/microsoft/31/microsoftedgelogo.jpg
2015-08-10 10:15 <danbanner> ya the built in recorder works very well
2015-08-10 10:15 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-10 10:15 <dahlia> lol
2015-08-10 10:16 <dahlia> oops no failed on ie too
2015-08-10 10:17 <nebadon> im scanning my machine with Hitman Pro at the moment
2015-08-10 10:17 <nebadon> make sure its clean
2015-08-10 10:17 <nebadon> wierd that DNS Client was disabled
2015-08-10 10:17 <nebadon> seems im not only person it happened to though
2015-08-10 10:17 <nebadon> but figured better safe than sorry
2015-08-10 10:18 <nebadon> upgrade hiccups likely
2015-08-10 10:18 <nebadon> only seemed to effect microsoft apps
2015-08-10 10:18 <dahlia> my viewer super slow on edge
2015-08-10 10:19 <nebadon> hitman says im clean, that is good
2015-08-10 10:19 <nebadon> maybe Spybot Search and Destroy disabled the DNS Client
2015-08-10 10:19 <nebadon> i need to re-install that
2015-08-10 10:19 <nebadon> uninstalled it thinking maybe it was interfering
2015-08-10 10:31 <dahlia> wierd all 3d apps are like zoomed in
2015-08-10 10:31 <nebadon> hmm that is wierd
2015-08-10 10:32 <dahlia> anyway enough for now
2015-08-10 10:32 <nebadon> :) ya same here
2015-08-10 10:32 <nebadon> im just glad i figured it out
2015-08-10 10:32 <nebadon> never would have slept
2015-08-10 10:32 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-10 10:32 <dahlia> getting sleepyzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZzzzZZZZZZz
2015-08-10 10:32 <dahlia> nn
2015-08-10 10:32 <nebadon> g'night
2015-08-10 16:22 <diva> SeanM ping
2015-08-10 16:43 <SeanM> hi
2015-08-10 16:44 <diva> SeanM the link you sent triggers security warnings on Chrome. Is is safe?
2015-08-10 16:44 <SeanM> Yes, we just dont have an updated cert
2015-08-10 16:44 <diva> ok, let me follow it and look
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2015-08-10 16:45 <diva> which doc shuld I read?
2015-08-10 16:45 <SeanM> I would start off with the Software Requirement spec, followed by the design and then Socrates
2015-08-10 16:46 <diva> MOSES Software Design Spec2.doc ?
2015-08-10 16:47 <SeanM> MOSES_PhysX_SRS, then MOSES Software Design Spec, then SocratesOnePager
2015-08-10 16:50 <notskittles> .
2015-08-10 16:51 <diva> SeanM the MOSES Software Design Spec2.doc is empty
2015-08-10 16:52 <diva> I took a look at the requirements doc, it seems peaceful
2015-08-10 16:52 <SeanM> I uploaded the wrong file. One second
2015-08-10 16:54 <SeanM> MOSES PhysX Software Design Spec.doc
2015-08-10 16:55 <SeanM> the previous one was a template
2015-08-10 16:59 <diva> "OpenSim and PhysX.Net uses different compiler architectural settings that will have to be addressed " what's the problem here?
2015-08-10 17:01 <SeanM> 2 issues: compiling the unmanaged code and compiling under mono for linux. The latest solution is to abandon PhysX.net altogether and write a new wrapper.
2015-08-10 17:03 <diva> misterblue would know this better, since he has probably done it for other physics engines
2015-08-10 17:05 <SeanM> PhysX.net works alright with an older version of PhysX, but not with the latest (3.333) which is now fully open sourced.
2015-08-10 17:05 <diva> i c
2015-08-10 17:05 <SeanM> We had a decision point to either contribute to another open source project or build our own solution that would be more compatible with OS.
2015-08-10 17:07 <lkalif> is PhysX tied to Nvidia hardware?
2015-08-10 17:08 <SeanM> Yes and no. It is optimized over nvidia but can run on non-nvidia
2015-08-10 17:09 <nebadon> SeanM i would also hope that no GPU is required
2015-08-10 17:10 <nebadon> I assume that to be the case
2015-08-10 17:10 <diva> SeanM the design seems fine. Stick to the Scene <-> Physics plugin API, and there shouldn't be any issues. If you need to change that API, however, please make sure to confirm those changes with Melanie and misterblue
2015-08-10 17:11 <SeanM> Correct, the integration will not require GPU cards to still calculate physics. The GPUs will allow for more efficient use of physics though, just not required.
2015-08-10 17:11 <nebadon> nice
2015-08-10 17:11 <diva> *before* you make the changes
2015-08-10 17:12 <SeanM> I understand. So far, we have not made any plans to change the API and it will just be a straight plugin addition.
2015-08-10 17:12 <diva> I have some comments/suggestions on the remote physics simulation. Mainly: do you have an idea of how you are going to measure the performance of such a configuration?
2015-08-10 17:13 <SeanM> Yes, primarily with the metrics we have introduced. We have developed physics test scenarios as well, which will will make the oars public.
2015-08-10 17:13 <SeanM> we will*
2015-08-10 17:14 <nebadon> awesome
2015-08-10 17:14 <diva> The experiments with DSG-M were sort of mixed, because at some point the messaging back and forth starts to overwhelm the benefits of the separation. But the jury is still out. I like separation in principle. It just needs to give real, measurable benefits
2015-08-10 17:15 <dahlia> I've done remote physics a little with Unity. Performance was very good at the time if latency was low. I did not use the opensim physics plugin architecture tho
2015-08-10 17:15 <SeanM> We are taking a completely different direction with scalability testing and enhancements from the DSG work.
2015-08-10 17:16 <lkalif> SeanM: you don't need to compile PhysX.net with OpenSim. Why not just include the dll?
2015-08-10 17:16 <SeanM> That is encouraging dahlia
2015-08-10 17:16 <nebadon> I think he said it only works with older versions lkalif
2015-08-10 17:16 <nebadon> older versions of PhysX
2015-08-10 17:16 <diva> we had a conversation here at some point about separating the script engine, and Melanie was not a fan of the idea; I don't remember her reasons
2015-08-10 17:16 <dahlia> I did have some problems with the version of physx that was in unity at the time and deepthink-like crashes
2015-08-10 17:16 <SeanM> We had to tweak Physx.net to work with 3.333, and that required us to compile.
2015-08-10 17:17 <SeanM> I am a fan of remote scripting... huge fan actually.
2015-08-10 17:17 <dahlia> it tended to blow up if it got into a state where it couldnt resolve collisions
2015-08-10 17:18 <SeanM> What were you using Unity for, dahlia?
2015-08-10 17:18 <lkalif> SeanM: yes but you can include the dll. No need to compile it duing the OpenSim build
2015-08-10 17:18 <dahlia> I've done a lot of stuff remotely but I think scripting might not be so easy due to the timing of the events
2015-08-10 17:18 <dahlia> SeanM: at the time I had a unity based viewer
2015-08-10 17:19 <dahlia> but I did a lot of experiments with shared and remote physiccs
2015-08-10 17:19 <SeanM> oh, correct. We were not trying to compile OS and Physx.net at the same time, just under different environments.
2015-08-10 17:19 <diva> so SeanM, bottom line: the design is fine, and if you stick to the existing API there shouldn't be any issues. If you need to change the API that's probaby fine too, but you need to talk to Melanie and/or misterblue and/or dahlia, since they are the ones that know best all the consequences of those changes.
2015-08-10 17:19 <diva> back to my paper now. ttyl
2015-08-10 17:20 <dahlia> ya we're usually around in this channel most of the time
2015-08-10 17:20 <SeanM> Thanks for the guidance diva. We will consult misterblue and melanie if we do start to design api changes.
2015-08-10 17:20 <SeanM> That is good to know dahlia, thanks!
2015-08-10 17:22 <notskittles> before i start poking at things, anybody know offhand if there's a registry of script functions in code? i'm going to implement the lslsyntaxid cap.
2015-08-10 17:23 <dahlia> notskittles: I think it's named something like LSL_Stub.cs
2015-08-10 17:23 <dahlia> cant remember exact name
2015-08-10 17:24 <diva> one last thing, SeanM: if your IRC client doesn't "flash" you when your name is written, you may want to poke around in the settings. That way you won't loose pings. bye
2015-08-10 17:25 <notskittles> do you know is there a way i can iterate through all the functions lsl, ossl and mod_api and get the prototypes for them? i'm trying to avoid refactoring it.
2015-08-10 17:25 <SeanM> Thanks for the tip diva, I am using webchat and will look for a better IRC client.
2015-08-10 17:25 <notskittles> basically what this cap does is takes all the functions, puts them in an llsd map and sends it off to the viewer for the script editor.
2015-08-10 17:25 <dahlia> not really without possibly parsing or filtering that file where they all exist
2015-08-10 17:26 <notskittles> so the script editor knows what functions exist on the sim.
2015-08-10 17:26 <dahlia> no idea about mod since those are optional
2015-08-10 17:26 <notskittles> yeah, was just wondering of those got loaded into a registery at runtime.
2015-08-10 17:26 <dahlia> not sure anything exists that can do that for you currently
2015-08-10 17:26 <notskittles> 
ACTION nods.

2015-08-10 17:26 <diva> LSL_Api and OSSL_Api would be it, I think
2015-08-10 17:26 <dahlia> maybe ask Melanie_T
2015-08-10 17:26 <diva> you can probably iterate through them via reflection
2015-08-10 17:26 <dahlia> she might know something
2015-08-10 17:27 <notskittles> kk
2015-08-10 17:27 <dahlia> oh ya maybe reflection
2015-08-10 17:27 <notskittles> yeah, i think maybe reflection for ossl and lsl, and then some type of function registry for mod_api
2015-08-10 17:27 <notskittles> it would be really handy to know what exists and what doesn't on any given sim.
2015-08-10 17:28 <notskittles> given the modular nature of everything.
2015-08-10 17:28 <diva> yeah
2015-08-10 17:28 <dahlia> I'm not sure I'd want anyone to know what mod api stuff I have
2015-08-10 17:29 <notskittles> i can probably add a config switch for all of it too.
2015-08-10 17:29 <notskittles> so you could hide mod_api and ossl
2015-08-10 17:29 <dahlia> opt-in I hope :)
2015-08-10 17:29 <notskittles> yep
2015-08-10 17:29 <notskittles> well, i don't think mod_api is on by default anyways, so it would need to be.
2015-08-10 18:39 <Plugh> 
ACTION looks to see if diva is in the channel as he might have questions about setting up WiFi later.

2015-08-10 18:40 <diva> only vaguely... I'm busy with a massive spreadhseet full of numbers
2015-08-10 18:40 <Plugh> Aren't all spreadsheets mostly full of numbers?  ;)
2015-08-10 18:41 <Plugh> diva, I'll ping you if/when I need help. I've updated someones grid from 076 to 081. They were using WiFi for account registration/management so I need to re-install WiFi but there have been lots of changes to it since 076. I need to spend some time working through the docs about how to set it up.
2015-08-10 18:42 <diva> I have only one thing to say, and it's a url: http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/diva-addons/wifi-and-other-diva-addons/  :)
2015-08-10 18:43 <Plugh> Thanks, I'll check that out later. I pulled the repo and saw two different folders that have WiFi in their names. I may have found that page but didn't have time to work on it beyond an initial read of some page I found.
2015-08-10 18:54 <diva> hi gamuf welcome to the mad house!
2015-08-10 18:55 <diva> that should have been gamucf, let's see if your IRC client highlights your name
2015-08-10 18:56 <gamucf> Hi.  It client blinked and got my attention so there's chat 
2015-08-10 18:56 <diva> yey :)
2015-08-10 18:57 <gamucf> The rest of the team will be on here more than I (I do some of the development but run off to meetings a lot too).
2015-08-10 18:57 <diva> just wanted to say hi, so that you don't think everyone is dead. I won't be here much today either
2015-08-10 18:58 <gamucf> Thanks!
2015-08-10 19:03 <Plugh> gamucf: I'll also say "hi" in passing. I don't expect to have much involvement in your project but at least you know there is more then one non-dead person here. :)
2015-08-10 19:05 <Melanie_T> heh!
2015-08-10 19:05 <Melanie_T> we're all alive
2015-08-10 19:05 <Melanie_T> or at least undead
2015-08-10 19:09 <lkalif> some barely
2015-08-10 19:17 <vlxark> Hey, I was wondering if terrain texturing (as set by set terrain heights) was server-side
2015-08-10 19:21 <nebadon> the default terrain texturing is some what procedural and viewer side
2015-08-10 19:22 <nebadon> meaning if you put 3 viewers next to each other, they will see variations in the texture pattern
2015-08-10 19:22 <nebadon> which pretty much sucks
2015-08-10 19:22 <vlxark> alright -- hating that Firestorm seemingly only takes height into account, which looks ugly on larger terrain
2015-08-10 19:23 <nebadon> you can always make your terrain using mesh
2015-08-10 19:23 <nebadon> using L3DT or Blender or 3DS Max or something
2015-08-10 19:23 <nebadon> then you get a lot more control over things
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2015-08-10 20:30 <lkalif> nebadon: newer viewers use non-random seed, terrain should look the same for everyone
2015-08-10 20:42 <nebadon> ah nice lkalif didnt know that I hadnt compared in a while
2015-08-10 22:21 <Plugh> diva: fyi, 02AddinExample from github fails to build 
2015-08-10 22:22 <diva> as of now?
2015-08-10 22:24 <Plugh> yup. I just did another gitpull in case there was an update I didn't have.
2015-08-10 22:24 <Plugh> addon-modules/02AddinExample/AddinExampleModule.cs(21,7): error CS0246: The type or namespace name `CsvHelper' could not be found. Are you missing a using directive or an assembly reference?
2015-08-10 22:24 <diva> I haven't built it since the last core commit
2015-08-10 22:24 <Plugh> Oh. That may be just for git master.
2015-08-10 22:24 <diva> that's odd
2015-08-10 22:24 <Plugh> I was compiling it against 0.8.1-post-fixes.
2015-08-10 22:26 <diva> CsvHelper is there, and it is supposed to be copied to the right place upon prebuild
2015-08-10 22:26 <diva> so make sure you run prebuild
2015-08-10 22:26 <diva> otherwise that lib won't be found
2015-08-10 22:26 <Plugh> Yup. I thought about the fact I would need to run that first so I did.
2015-08-10 22:27 <Plugh> I'll try it again.
2015-08-10 22:28 <Plugh> I see Creating project and references to your addons from the prebuild.
2015-08-10 22:28 <Plugh> I did a make clean before the prebuild this time just in case.
2015-08-10 22:30 <Plugh> same error
2015-08-10 22:33 <diva> I'm seeing errors related to AssetType, but not that error you are seeing
2015-08-10 22:33 <Plugh> diva, I find no reference to anything with "cvs" in its name in the files pulled from github
2015-08-10 22:34 <diva> https://github.com/diva/diva-distribution/tree/master/addon-modules/02AddinExample/Lib
2015-08-10 22:35 <Plugh> The only 02 is 02AddinExample.
2015-08-10 22:35 <diva> It's in that URL I just pasted
2015-08-10 22:35 <Plugh> oh... /Lib.
2015-08-10 22:35 <Plugh> oh, CSV not CVS. d'oh
2015-08-10 22:35 <diva> it's copied to bin upon prebuild
2015-08-10 22:36 <Plugh> no wonder I couldn't find it. :)
2015-08-10 22:36 <Plugh> I see that dll.
2015-08-10 22:36 <Plugh> Nope. it isn't in the os source bin dir.
2015-08-10 22:36 <diva> then prebuild is not running 
2015-08-10 22:37 <diva> https://github.com/diva/diva-distribution/blob/master/addon-modules/02AddinExample/prebuild.xml
2015-08-10 22:37 <diva> I don't know what kind of arrangement you have there
2015-08-10 22:37 <diva> the prebuild assumes the existence of a bin folder in ../..
2015-08-10 22:37 <diva> why are you compiling ?
2015-08-10 22:38 <diva> you should only need to compile if you are building for master head
2015-08-10 22:38 <Plugh> I'm just used to doing that.
2015-08-10 22:38 <Plugh> ok, so I'll try the stable release after dinner.
2015-08-10 22:38 <diva> well, I'm about to commit some code that will make it incompatible with 0.8.1
2015-08-10 22:39 <Plugh> If you did that I would have just switched to the 0.8.1 branch of it. I'll see what happens with stable release first.
2015-08-10 22:39 <diva> I don't keep branches (I probably should...)
2015-08-10 22:40 <Plugh> If you will break compatability with older versions of OS it would be worth making a branch, or tagging the code.
2015-08-10 22:41 <Plugh> The stable release source tar file isn't just the sources for your addons. It seems to be a full OS source tree.
2015-08-10 22:42 <diva> I don't keep opensim in my source tree
2015-08-10 22:43 <Plugh> ok, the instructions are confusing
2015-08-10 22:44 <Plugh> I'll start over and try again.
2015-08-10 22:46 <Plugh> The page at http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/diva-addons/wifi-and-other-diva-addons/ says you used to provide a package with just the Wifi DLLs but you don't do that any more.
2015-08-10 22:46 <Plugh> ok, Think I found where the link to the file I might need is buried.
2015-08-10 22:46 <diva> yes, I don't do that anymore
2015-08-10 22:47 <Plugh> but that is a link to a static page with no downloadable files.
2015-08-10 22:48 <diva> correct. You have to follow the new instrutions. I don't do what I used to do anymore. I do something different
2015-08-10 22:48 <Plugh> If you don't make pre-compiled binaries then I will need to compile the source files. I can't find the link to the source files in the metaversink page you pointed me to.
2015-08-10 22:48 <Plugh> bbl. Dinner is ready.
2015-08-10 22:48 <diva> I provide an addin
2015-08-10 22:48 <diva> you just need to follow the instructions
2015-08-10 22:48 <diva> that's all
2015-08-10 23:21 <Plugh> I can't find the link to whatever it is I need to drop in to the OS source.
2015-08-10 23:23 <Plugh> The page http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/diva-addons/wifi-and-other-diva-addons/ says " I’m making it available from the metaversink mono addins repository listed here." in reference to a zip file of a mono addin package. "here" is a link to a page that just shows a list of package names, versions, and descriptions. No download link. The rest of the page is about updating WiFi when going from OpenSim 0.8.0 to
2015-08-10 23:23 <Plugh> I'm doing a fresh install of WiFi for 0.8.1 and not an update.
2015-08-10 23:23 <diva> you should follow the instructions
2015-08-10 23:24 <diva> there's practially no difference between upgrading and installing from scratch, just a comment here and there about things that need to change if you had inis
2015-08-10 23:25 <Plugh> How can I follow instructions on copying stuff when I can't find the stuff to copy.
2015-08-10 23:25 <diva> there's no difference between this particular upgrade is, essentially, an installation from scratch
2015-08-10 23:25 <Plugh> I've got my own projects to work on. This person will just have to wait until I have time to try again.
2015-08-10 23:27 <dahlia> diva: FYI I tried the standard SL viewer on osgrid and it worked. I tried it on my grid after I updated after your folder changes and it crashes at login. No idea why, just thought I'd mention it.
2015-08-10 23:28 <diva> can the standard SL viewer be used to log into opensim?!?
2015-08-10 23:28 <dahlia> it can if you make the grids.xml file
2015-08-10 23:28 <dahlia> but a lot of stuff doesnt work
2015-08-10 23:28 <dahlia> like baked textures and varregions
2015-08-10 23:28 <diva> yeah, I would imagine
2015-08-10 23:28 <diva> and it will crash, as notskittles said
2015-08-10 23:29 <diva> especially if you didn't update the db
2015-08-10 23:29 <dahlia> I didn't. Are there instructions somewhere? 
2015-08-10 23:29 <diva> notskittles said the SL viewer crashes if the root folder is not 8
2015-08-10 23:29 <dahlia> ah kk
2015-08-10 23:29 <diva> it's just a simple sql update
2015-08-10 23:30 <diva> change 9 to 8 when the parent folder is UUID.Zero
2015-08-10 23:30 <dahlia> I use sql so seldomly I have to relearn it every time
2015-08-10 23:30 <Melanie_> well, since the sl viewer requires SSA, it's not really useful
2015-08-10 23:30 <Melanie_> the pathfindung stuff and much else, including marketplace integration, just doesn't work
2015-08-10 23:30 <Melanie_> so what really is the point?
2015-08-10 23:30 <dahlia> well I have alternative pathfincing that works on any viewer
2015-08-10 23:31 <Melanie_> unless it comes to opensim, it's of no use to anyone here
2015-08-10 23:31 <dahlia> sure. My point tho was to share possbly folder related info with diva
2015-08-10 23:42 <smxy> After updating to HEAD yesterday, I have a resident who said their Suitcase folder has disappeared. I've only heard the report, but not yet investigated.
2015-08-10 23:43 <smxy> Just tossing it out in case anyone else has seen that. MY avatar still has one.
2015-08-10 23:43 <diva> check what type his folder has on your db
2015-08-10 23:44 <smxy> okay.
2015-08-10 23:47 <smxy> A quick check of all "My Suitcase" folders shows that all are type 100, except for 6, which are type 8.
2015-08-10 23:47 <smxy> They should all be 100 now, yes?
2015-08-10 23:48 <diva> yes
2015-08-10 23:48 <smxy> I'll update the table.
2015-08-10 23:48 <diva> type 8 would explain why they don't see it
2015-08-10 23:48 <smxy> Okay, great. Easy fix then.
2015-08-10 23:48 <smxy> Thanks.
2015-08-10 23:48 <diva> or vice versa ;-)
2015-08-10 23:50 <diva> the viewer devs swear that the viewer doesn't care about any numbers not in the enum, so if we start using 100 and the Suitcase folders become invisible, what they're saying is not accurate. So let me know what happens when you switch all Suitcase folders to 100
2015-08-10 23:51 <smxy> Is there something wrong with this SQL? It doesn't change anything: update inventoryfolders set type = 100 where (type = 8 and folderName = "My Syuitcase");
2015-08-10 23:51 <smxy> oh, nevermind
2015-08-10 23:51 <diva> :)
2015-08-10 23:51 <smxy> Fixed. :)
2015-08-10 23:52 <smxy> I'll leave them a message to check next time they're on.
2015-08-10 23:53 <diva> Check yours
2015-08-10 23:53 <diva> in case yours was one that was 8...
2015-08-10 23:54 <smxy> oooh.
2015-08-10 23:54 <smxy> let me relog
2015-08-10 23:54 <diva> clear the cache
2015-08-10 23:59 <smxy> I cleared the cache. I still have a Suitcase. It doesn't look like a special folder (no star on it, in Firestorm) but is grouped with the special folders.
2015-08-11 00:00 <diva> so all good?
2015-08-11 00:01 <smxy> I seem to have a folder I creaded, called "From Suitcase" which does have a star on it and is grouped with the special folders. I suspect it has the wrong type from manual playing around long ago.
2015-08-11 00:01 <smxy> created*
2015-08-11 00:01 <smxy> What should that be - -1 ?
2015-08-11 00:01 <diva> yes
2015-08-11 00:01 <smxy> okay
2015-08-11 00:01 <smxy> Is it correct that the suitcase folder is grouped with the special folders but doesn't look like one?
2015-08-11 00:02 <Melanie_> yes
2015-08-11 00:02 <smxy> okay
2015-08-11 00:02 <Melanie_> anything not -1 will be grouped at the top
2015-08-11 00:02 <smxy> ok
2015-08-11 00:02 <Melanie_> but currently the viewers don't have an icon for it
2015-08-11 00:02 <smxy> That's fine.
2015-08-11 00:02 <Melanie_> we may want to supply one to the teams
2015-08-11 00:02 <diva> hopefully the viewer devs will soon create a nice luggage icon
2015-08-11 00:02 <Melanie_> so that singu and FS can use it
2015-08-11 00:02 <diva> yeah
2015-08-11 00:03 <diva> nebadon to the rescue?
2015-08-11 00:03 <Melanie_> maybe
2015-08-11 00:03 <smxy> Yeah, if you want them to have a nice one, give it to them. :)
2015-08-11 00:03 <Melanie_> but he'd probably draw the Luggage (from douglas adams)
2015-08-11 00:03 <diva> my art skills stopped evolving in 3rd grade
2015-08-11 00:03 <smxy> Mine didn't last that long. :)
2015-08-11 00:35 <SilverWhitefish> nebadon, can you upload mesh terrain with uv mapping?
2015-08-11 00:36 <Melanie_> SilverWhitefish: mesh terrain is just mesh
2015-08-11 00:36 <Melanie_> you can create a mesh terrain with up to 8 faces and ub map textures as you like
2015-08-11 00:36 <Melanie_> or create 1/2 sim sized meshes that line up
2015-08-11 00:36 <Melanie_> for even greater control
2015-08-11 00:36 <Melanie_> erm
2015-08-11 00:37 <Melanie_> 1/4 sim sized*
2015-08-11 00:37 <SilverWhitefish> and you would upload with viewer and not console?
2015-08-11 00:37 <Melanie_> you will lose the viewerside texture blending, so you need to create a texture that is matched to your mesh
2015-08-11 00:37 <Melanie_> correct
2015-08-11 00:37 <Melanie_> upload it and rez it
2015-08-11 00:38 <Melanie_> a huge advantage is that mesh terrain allows overhangs and caves
2015-08-11 00:38 <SilverWhitefish> viewerside texture blending is why id prefer to upload with uv mapping
2015-08-11 00:38 <Melanie_> you can't "upload" a mesh terrain as a heightmap
2015-08-11 00:38 <SilverWhitefish> large detailed varable regions are not friendly with viewerside blending
2015-08-11 00:38 <Melanie_> that would be basic terrain
2015-08-11 00:38 <Melanie_> which you create in any tool of your choice
2015-08-11 00:39 <Melanie_> however that is not full mesh terran
2015-08-11 00:39 <Melanie_> oh i see
2015-08-11 00:39 <Melanie_> you DON't wat the blending
2015-08-11 00:39 <SilverWhitefish> no not really
2015-08-11 00:39 <Melanie_> then just upload uv mapped mesh and texture as you like
2015-08-11 00:39 <SilverWhitefish> interesting
2015-08-11 00:39 <SilverWhitefish> sounds easy the way you out it
2015-08-11 00:40 <Melanie_> there are several possible issues
2015-08-11 00:40 <SilverWhitefish> put it*
2015-08-11 00:40 <Melanie_> one, mesh terrain, unlike basic terrain, will not protect your objects from going underground
2015-08-11 00:40 <Melanie_> two, avatar can teleport under your terrain
2015-08-11 00:40 <Melanie_> since it is just an object
2015-08-11 00:40 <Melanie_> three, a real mesh as a floor is more physics intensive than the plain heightmap
2015-08-11 00:41 <Melanie_> what i recommend is to use a mesh terrain for the appearance
2015-08-11 00:41 <Melanie_> but also make a basic terrain that most closely follows the mesh terrain
2015-08-11 00:41 <Melanie_> such that the basic heightmap is just a few centimeters under the mesh
2015-08-11 00:42 <Melanie_> that way people will arrive on the ground
2015-08-11 00:42 <Melanie_> not in it
2015-08-11 00:42 <SilverWhitefish> thats a good idea
2015-08-11 00:42 <Melanie_> for caves you can still create a depression that contains the cave
2015-08-11 00:43 <Melanie_> and you will be fine unless youhave caves under the landing point ;)
2015-08-11 00:44 <SilverWhitefish> is there any way to make the solid blue transparent when going below -1
2015-08-11 00:44 <SilverWhitefish> or is that viewer side also
2015-08-11 00:45 <Melanie_> solid bklue?
2015-08-11 00:45 <Melanie_> you mean the water?
2015-08-11 00:45 <Melanie_> that is viewerside and going below 0 is not actually a recommended thing to do for compatibility reasons
2015-08-11 00:45 <SilverWhitefish> well when i lowered terrain less than -1 i could only see blue
2015-08-11 00:45 <SilverWhitefish> with water still at 20
2015-08-11 00:45 <SilverWhitefish> didnt think to change that
2015-08-11 00:45 <Melanie_> aah ok
2015-08-11 00:46 <Melanie_> no i guess that is your viewer then
2015-08-11 00:46 <SilverWhitefish> ok
2015-08-11 00:46 <Melanie_> the blue being there to color the ocean floor properly
2015-08-11 00:46 <SilverWhitefish> ah
2015-08-11 00:46 <Melanie_> hwights bwlow 0 may work for some and may not continue to work in the future
2015-08-11 00:47 <SilverWhitefish> so really to build underground you could only do one level or floor below sea level
2015-08-11 00:47 <SilverWhitefish> wow this is good info. so i havent found on wiki
2015-08-11 00:47 <SilverWhitefish> stuff*
2015-08-11 02:03 <OtakuMegane_> Yeah, it's a viewer thing. Below 0 it's a blue fog that gets darker the further down you go. I tried poking at it in the viewer code years back but didn't really figure out what makes it that way.
2015-08-11 02:05 <OtakuMegane_> Opensim itself doesn't really seem to care much whether z coordinates are positive or negative.
2015-08-11 02:17 <Melanie_> you should not depend on that
2015-08-11 02:17 <Melanie_> future modules or physics layers may care so don't use > 0 z coords
2015-08-11 02:17 <Melanie_> erm
2015-08-11 02:17 <Melanie_> < 0
2015-08-11 02:17 <Melanie_> NN al
2015-08-11 02:18 <OtakuMegane_> Good point
2015-08-11 02:47 <dahlia> OtakuMegane_: my guess is it would be in a shader
2015-08-12 16:14 <notskittles> doesn't seem like it would be too much work honestly. i'm not entirely sure with singularity, but in V3 viewers, you could just extend the x-grid-location-info protocol to support to support slapp better.
2015-08-12 16:14 <osmantis> Bug #7678:04 [PATCH] llInstantMessage sending incorrect uuids in AgentID and ID packet fields 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7678 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-12 16:15 <notskittles> and then you could do something like
2015-08-12 16:16 <diva> what's that protocol? Is that the SimFeatures?
2015-08-12 16:16 <diva> gridinfo?
2015-08-12 16:16 <notskittles> x-grid-info-location://my.coolgrid.com:8002/NewService/app/agent/00005ff3-4044-c79f-XXXX-fb28ae0df991/requestfriend
2015-08-12 16:17 <notskittles> no, it's the viewer namespace uri used in V3.
2015-08-12 16:17 <diva> oh? is that new?
2015-08-12 16:17 <notskittles> it's about 5 years old.
2015-08-12 16:17 <notskittles> but ll never finished it.
2015-08-12 16:17 <notskittles> they started working on it for interop.
2015-08-12 16:18 <diva> that's really interesting. How does the viewer gets those URLs?
2015-08-12 16:19 <notskittles> it generates them mostly, it's setup to accept them as parameters like if you opened it from a webbrowser.
2015-08-12 16:19 <notskittles> it's an interop replacement for secondlife:///
2015-08-12 16:19 <notskittles> but when they dropped interop they abandoned it and left the code in there.
2015-08-12 16:19 <notskittles> so it's only partially finished, i'm finishing it up in alchemy.
2015-08-12 16:19 <diva> and that results in http posts with LLSD?
2015-08-12 16:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #4275 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-12 16:20 <notskittles> no, but it can with a little work.
2015-08-12 16:20 <diva> that would be super awesome
2015-08-12 16:20 <notskittles> you just have to make it check whether the grid uri is the current grid you're connected to or not.
2015-08-12 16:20 <notskittles> if it's current grid, send to the region
2015-08-12 16:20 <notskittles> if not, fire it off to it's destination.
2015-08-12 16:21 <notskittles> *its
2015-08-12 16:21 <diva> right. I think we're already sending that info on SimFeatures, let me check what exactly we're sending
2015-08-12 16:22 <notskittles> the gatekeeper uri is being sent in SimFeatures iirc.
2015-08-12 16:22 <diva> we're sending the URL of the new grid, yes, the Gatekeeper. Let me check if we're sending the URL of the HomeGrid at lofin
2015-08-12 16:22 <diva> login
2015-08-12 16:24 <notskittles> here's the documentation for slapp, it's specific to secondlife:// but it was trivial to make it work with x-grid-location-info:// http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Viewer_URI_Name_Space
2015-08-12 16:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4275: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4275/
2015-08-12 16:24 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Send correct uuids in the FromID and ID packet fields for llInstantMessage
2015-08-12 16:24 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Whitespace borkness?
2015-08-12 16:27 <diva> notskittles we are sending (or can send)  the uas URL -- that's the URL of the HomeWorld of the user. It's already in GridInfo configuration, people can uncomment. It's a var name called uas that may or may not come during the GridInfo step
2015-08-12 16:27 <diva> so that would be the main URL for the viewer to use for all this
2015-08-12 16:28 <diva> you can detect if the user is outside or not (by comparing names of grid) and then redirect the requests accordingly
2015-08-12 16:28 <notskittles> that's sent with gridInfo?
2015-08-12 16:28 <diva> it can. I don't know if ppl are uncommenting it
2015-08-12 16:29 <diva> it's already there as a configuration variable that the server can include in the grid info map
2015-08-12 16:29 <diva> chekc Robust.HG.ini.example
2015-08-12 16:29 <notskittles> i need to check if we are at yrgrid. lol
2015-08-12 16:29 <notskittles> not that we have hypergrid enabled yet.
2015-08-12 16:29 <diva> its the last one on that section
2015-08-12 16:29 <notskittles> (but we might by next month still trying to convince my boss that it's safe.)
2015-08-12 16:30 <diva> it will be a lot safer is the viewer would know about it :)
2015-08-12 16:30 <notskittles> oh i see it.
2015-08-12 16:30 <notskittles> commented out.
2015-08-12 16:30 <notskittles> i will switch it on.
2015-08-12 16:30 <diva> yes
2015-08-12 16:31 <notskittles> i need to add that to alchemy too.
2015-08-12 16:35 <diva> yeah, the slapp / x-grid-location-info seems like the right mechanism to so all this
2015-08-12 16:35 <diva> *do
2015-08-12 16:36 <notskittles> mhm, i need to ask LiruCookies how much they support slapp in singu, but i it's a pretty achievable goal.
2015-08-12 16:36 <notskittles> *i think
2015-08-12 16:37 <diva> does the viewer actually use all of that? in its slapp form?
2015-08-12 16:37 <notskittles> slapp is a form of slurl, it's just more human readable to think about it in that format.
2015-08-12 16:38 <notskittles> really it's a struct.
2015-08-12 16:38 <diva> but it results in http requests, or not always?
2015-08-12 16:38 <notskittles> not always.
2015-08-12 16:38 <diva> i c
2015-08-12 16:39 <notskittles> in the viewer you'd just take the slapp, and do if (mGrid != currentGrid) httpPost
2015-08-12 16:45 <notskittles> i'm looking to see exactly what it does, it just sends an im back through the region for the friend request as it is.
2015-08-12 16:46 <diva> yes, it sends an IM...
2015-08-12 16:47 <notskittles> that's no trouble to work around.
2015-08-12 16:48 <diva> well, that would be awesome if the viewer would check this at certain points, and send the data via http directly to the home grid. It wuld make a lot of HG things much more user-friendly and still secure. I can start coding up the server handlers for one of these, we can take it from there
2015-08-12 16:48 <notskittles> ok cool.
2015-08-12 16:49 <diva> cool. I'll ping you one of these days when I have the first draft of the handler
2015-08-12 16:49 <diva> :)
2015-08-12 16:49 <diva> aewsome!
2015-08-12 16:50 <notskittles> \o/
2015-08-12 16:50 <notskittles> and the less stuff moving through 12 year old lludp the happier i am.
2015-08-12 16:51 <diva> yes.. it doesn't make any sense to send slow, one-off data via udp
2015-08-12 16:52 <notskittles> would love to someday resurrect the jabber group messaging branch they threw away too.
2015-08-12 16:53 <notskittles> it would be great for hypergrid groups.
2015-08-12 16:53 <diva> yes, it would
2015-08-12 16:53 <notskittles> they dropped it because it was still bottlenecking from group notices.
2015-08-12 16:54 <notskittles> because group notice inventory offers still had to move through udp.
2015-08-12 16:55 <diva> yeah, we'd need to figure out how to share assets rather than text messages, but that doesn't seem like a show stopper
2015-08-12 16:57 <LiruCookies> notskittles: We support slapp, we don't support the namespace translation.
2015-08-12 16:58 <notskittles> they were also trying to make the change without breaking things already at a massive scale. opensim isn't at that point yet, so there's more room to design and then fix while growing, not design and make sure it works on groups with 370,000 members.
2015-08-12 16:58 <notskittles> *on a massive
2015-08-12 16:58 <LiruCookies> notskittles: So everyone will see the whole x-grid-location-info urls, but that's not an issue, forget their fears.
2015-08-12 16:59 <notskittles> LiruCookies pull those changes when i finish the hypergrid slurl stuff by release. i think i fixed all of that this morning.
2015-08-12 16:59 <diva> what's namespace translation? from slapp to x-grid-location-info and vice-versa?
2015-08-12 17:00 <LiruCookies> diva: To something user-friendly like "Add <looked up name from id> as a friend?"
2015-08-12 17:00 <LiruCookies> notskittles: I planned to... I'm going to have to switch from my VMM branch and pick a bunch of fixes, I guess, because VMM is holding up too much now.
2015-08-12 17:01 <diva> ok, cool. I'm sort of busy this week, but I'll work on a handler for friendship confirmations next, and we'll see how that works with the viewers. 
2015-08-12 17:03 <LiruCookies> But friendship requests are usually notifications...
2015-08-12 17:04 <LiruCookies> I'm not totally seeing how this would work with slapps, notskittles 
2015-08-12 17:04 <diva> LiruCookies, the confirmation not th original request
2015-08-12 17:04 <notskittles> you just add a grid check liru.
2015-08-12 17:05 <LiruCookies> Oh, I see.
2015-08-12 17:05 <diva> it's just that final confirmation from the viewer to the server side that says that the user has accepted the friendship request. Everything else doesn't need to change
2015-08-12 17:06 <notskittles> it would change bool friendship_offer_callback(const LLSD& notification, const LLSD& response) LiruCookies 
2015-08-12 17:08 <LiruCookies> notskittles: So we'd be modifying the payload?
2015-08-12 17:09 <notskittles> no, instead of messaging back to the region, we reply to the requesting agent's home grid.
2015-08-12 17:09 <LiruCookies> Ah, we'd dynamically change the sender
2015-08-12 17:10 <LiruCookies> I see, neat.
2015-08-12 17:10 <notskittles> we change the whole message actually because we aren't going to send a one way udp message over the internet.
2015-08-12 17:11 <notskittles> do an http post to the requester's server.
2015-08-12 17:11 <LiruCookies> Oh, even better, so friend requests become more reliable on opensim?
2015-08-12 17:11 <notskittles> *home
2015-08-12 17:11 <notskittles> well, they actually work.
2015-08-12 17:12 <notskittles> if fred is on grid1 and sends a friend request to alice on grid2, she comfirms the friend request, but the confirmation goes to grid2.
2015-08-12 17:12 <notskittles> *confirms
2015-08-12 17:13 <notskittles> and fred's grid doesn't get the confirmation.
2015-08-12 17:13 <diva> currently the UX is cumbersome because of extra security that needs to happen if we want to avoid spam
2015-08-12 17:14 <diva> a direct contact fro the viewer to the home grid would make the UX super smooth
2015-08-12 17:16 <notskittles> yeah
2015-08-12 17:26 <lkalif> diva: I don't think the viewer knows how to tell an avis homegrid
2015-08-12 17:27 <diva> lkalif we were just taling about that, and it can know about it, because it can be sent in the GridInfo maessage. We already have it as an optional variable in the map that gets sent there
2015-08-12 17:27 <diva> uas
2015-08-12 17:27 <diva> that's the name
2015-08-12 17:27 <lkalif> what?
2015-08-12 17:28 <diva> maybe I should change the name to something more meaningful to others...
2015-08-12 17:28 <lkalif> how do I know diva is not from here
2015-08-12 17:28 <lkalif> she's from HG
2015-08-12 17:28 <diva> oh, you can compare the name of the grid
2015-08-12 17:29 <diva> or the gatekeeper url
2015-08-12 17:29 <lkalif> if i see someone in word.... i don't know thet are not from "here"
2015-08-12 17:29 <lkalif> per avi 
2015-08-12 17:29 <lkalif> not per grid
2015-08-12 17:30 <diva> their last names are different
2015-08-12 17:30 <diva> are you talking in terms of user knowing or in terms of the server knowing or the viewer knowing?
2015-08-12 17:30 <lkalif> so? which url do i send the friend rrequest
2015-08-12 17:31 <diva> the uas that you have from information stored in grid info
2015-08-12 17:31 <diva> oh
2015-08-12 17:31 <diva> it's not the friend request we're talking about
2015-08-12 17:31 <diva> it's the friend request *confirmation*
2015-08-12 17:32 <lkalif> same thing
2015-08-12 17:32 <diva> so me accepting a friendship request from someone who sent it. My viewer knows where I belong
2015-08-12 17:32 <lkalif> it's not 1 url for eveyone
2015-08-12 17:32 <diva> it's 1 url for me
2015-08-12 17:33 <diva> the viewer knows where I logged in, I hope!
2015-08-12 17:34 <lkalif> if it's only confirmation i don't see the big security  problem
2015-08-12 17:34 <lkalif> you keep track of offers and if remote sim confirms, then do it
2015-08-12 17:35 <lkalif> don't be lazy :P
2015-08-12 17:35 <diva> right now, it's cumbersome, because we're proxying the confirmnation through an untrusted sim, so there is an extra step that involves people having to reconfirm the friendship when they go to their home world. Some people think it's a fluke and ignore it, so the confirmation never really happens
2015-08-12 17:36 <diva> if we remove that extra reconfirmation step, it makes the feature vulnerable to spam
2015-08-12 17:36 <Melanie_> diva: there is a way
2015-08-12 17:36 <lkalif> on offer, record it's send. no spam
2015-08-12 17:36 <Melanie_> with viewers as they are now
2015-08-12 17:36 <nebadon> tell me about your homeworld usul!
2015-08-12 17:36 <nebadon> :P
2015-08-12 17:37 <diva> how melanie?
2015-08-12 17:37 <Melanie_> in the login response, the viewer accepts a secret key which in sl, comes from oauth
2015-08-12 17:37 <Melanie_> whenever the viewer sends data to the URL it logged in from
2015-08-12 17:37 <Melanie_> just the server, not the port, it includes that key
2015-08-12 17:38 <Melanie_> the sim the user is in doesn't know it
2015-08-12 17:38 <Melanie_> and the browser can be "popped" to any desired address using the functions scripts use
2015-08-12 17:38 <Melanie_> or a very small modification can be made to allow doing this anther way
2015-08-12 17:38 <diva> oh can we really pop the browser server side? That's one thing I was talking with orenh but we din't know
2015-08-12 17:39 <diva> but also
2015-08-12 17:39 <diva> we don't want two windows pop -- we want just one
2015-08-12 17:39 <Melanie_> the user gets a massage "a script wants to send you to (url)"
2015-08-12 17:39 <Melanie_> message*
2015-08-12 17:39 <diva> it really doesn't matter to me whether the popping is a built-in window or a browser
2015-08-12 17:39 <Melanie_> soon as the browser connects, the login server sees that cookie
2015-08-12 17:40 <diva> but puddin is on the viewer identifying that the user is in untrusted land and doing something else
2015-08-12 17:40 <lkalif> you don't want to design a system that does't work with text clients ;)
2015-08-12 17:40 <notskittles> that's not oauth, that's openid.
2015-08-12 17:40 <Melanie_> notskittles, thanks. it is, indeed
2015-08-12 17:40 <Melanie_> lkalif: text clients can also visit URLs
2015-08-12 17:41 <Melanie_> and if they set a proper user agent, the server can send them plain text
2015-08-12 17:42 <lkalif> oauth2 doesn't work without a browser, openid does
2015-08-12 17:43 <diva> ok melanie, but still the viewer needs to have a conditional somewhere detecting if the user is in foreign land. This can happen before pop-up for notification/confirmation or just as the viewer is about to send the confirmation.
2015-08-12 17:44 <Melanie_> that decision can safely be made by the sim
2015-08-12 17:44 <diva> Unless we do it server side
2015-08-12 17:44 <diva> so if we detect that we don't send the IM, and pop up the browser?
2015-08-12 17:45 <diva> is that your suggestion?
2015-08-12 17:45 <Melanie_> yes
2015-08-12 17:46 <Melanie_> the home grid can notify the away avatar with an IM about the friendship being accepted
2015-08-12 17:46 <Melanie_> so it can make the local UI adjustments
2015-08-12 17:46 <Melanie_> but you don't really need to send the "question" IM, I believe
2015-08-12 17:47 <diva> that's an interesting possibility
2015-08-12 17:47 <diva> so tell again about that cookie thing
2015-08-12 17:47 <diva> I didn't quite understand
2015-08-12 17:47 <Melanie_> ok
2015-08-12 17:47 <Melanie_> the login response contains a value
2015-08-12 17:47 <Melanie_> which is kept by the viewer
2015-08-12 17:47 <diva> what's it called?
2015-08-12 17:47 <Melanie_> and presented as a cookie only if the viewer accesses a URL in the domain of the login URI
2015-08-12 17:48 <diva> the viewer already does that?!
2015-08-12 17:48 <Melanie_> it's used primarily for restricting who a prim can serve HTML pages to 
2015-08-12 17:48 <notskittles> two values, openid_url and openid_token.
2015-08-12 17:48 <Melanie_> yes because html cannot be set as a content type on a prim's http response unless the user uses the built-in browser and owns the prim
2015-08-12 17:49 <Melanie_> SL may use ot for other things regarding search and marketplace
2015-08-12 17:49 <Melanie_> avination uses it to do what sl does - prevent prims serving html to people other than the owner
2015-08-12 17:49 <Melanie_> to prevent prims being used for phishing
2015-08-12 17:49 <Melanie_> it's in all LL derived viewers
2015-08-12 17:50 <diva> ok, that's really interesting. I had no idea of these openid things at login 
2015-08-12 17:50 <diva> I'll experiment with that first, then, cos that would require 0 changes to viewers
2015-08-12 17:51 <diva> so it would be the lodURL thing?
2015-08-12 17:51 <diva> loadURL
2015-08-12 17:52 <Melanie_> yes
2015-08-12 17:52 <Melanie_> if the URL domain.tld matches the domain.tld the login was to
2015-08-12 17:52 <Melanie_> the cookie is sent
2015-08-12 17:52 <diva> do yuo know the name of the cookie?
2015-08-12 17:53 <Melanie_> so you'd have "login.osgrid.org:8000/confirm"
2015-08-12 17:53 <Melanie_> as the URL
2015-08-12 17:53 <Melanie_> that handler will get the cookie
2015-08-12 17:53 <diva> is it any standard open id cookie header?
2015-08-12 17:53 <Melanie_> if the gatekeeper and login server are in the same domain.tld
2015-08-12 17:53 <Melanie_> then it could be handled there
2015-08-12 17:54 <Melanie_> i'm not sure, i'd have to look it up
2015-08-12 17:54 <Melanie_> it's been years since I put that in
2015-08-12 17:55 <diva> would it be in the viewer code?
2015-08-12 17:55 <diva> or some library?
2015-08-12 17:56 <diva>  guess I can just dump them all and check
2015-08-12 17:56 <diva> when I look at this. which won't be today
2015-08-12 17:56 <notskittles> const std::string HTTP_IN_HEADER_SET_COOKIE("set-cookie");
2015-08-12 17:58 <notskittles> it's all part of LLViewerMedia when you want to look at it.
2015-08-12 17:58 <diva> wait. it's called "set-cookie"?!
2015-08-12 17:58 <Melanie_> your cookie name is "agni_sl_session_id"
2015-08-12 17:58 <Melanie_> this is from avination code:
2015-08-12 17:58 <Melanie_>                     foreach (DictionaryEntry header in headers)
2015-08-12 17:58 <Melanie_>                     {
2015-08-12 17:58 <Melanie_>                         string key = (string)header.Key;
2015-08-12 17:58 <Melanie_>                         string value = (string)header.Value;
2015-08-12 17:58 <Melanie_>                         requestData.headers.Add(key, value);
2015-08-12 17:58 <Melanie_>                         if (key == "cookie")
2015-08-12 17:58 <Melanie_>                         {
2015-08-12 17:58 <Melanie_>                             string[] parts = value.Split(new char[] {'='});
2015-08-12 17:58 <Melanie_>                             if (parts[0] == "agni_sl_session_id" && parts.Length > 1)
2015-08-12 17:58 <Melanie_>                             {
2015-08-12 17:59 <Melanie_> this is where and how you find it
2015-08-12 17:59 <diva> ok, cool I will be looking for it. thanks!
2015-08-12 17:59 <Melanie_> the login response needs to contain "openid_url"
2015-08-12 18:00 <diva> what is that meant to be? A properly functioning open id service on the other end?
2015-08-12 18:00 <Melanie_> it gets darker …. wait
2015-08-12 18:00 <Melanie_> still looking
2015-08-12 18:00 <diva> hehe
2015-08-12 18:01 <LiruCookies> 
ACTION doesn't see why the slurl thing isn't a good solution...

2015-08-12 18:01 <Melanie_> as you know we dont use the normal login service, but instead use php
2015-08-12 18:01 <Melanie_> if (isset($rdata["openid_url"]) && $rdata["openid_url"])
2015-08-12 18:01 <Melanie_>                 $rdata["openid_token"] = $rdata["agent_id"] . ":" . md5($rdata["secure_session_id"]);
2015-08-12 18:02 <Melanie_> so you need to add openid)token to the login response
2015-08-12 18:02 <notskittles> LiruCookies go fix singularity, that token name isn't supposed to be hard coded... :P
2015-08-12 18:02 <Melanie_> what you set there will be in the cookie as data
2015-08-12 18:02 <notskittles> login sends both "openid_url" and ""openid_token"
2015-08-12 18:03 <Melanie_> that fake openid service may need to exist
2015-08-12 18:03 <Melanie_> still checking
2015-08-12 18:03 <notskittles> agni_sl_session_id shouldn't be hardcoded, LiruCookies -_-
2015-08-12 18:03 <Melanie_> it needs to be hardcoded, notskittles 
2015-08-12 18:03 <Melanie_> if it were changeable, code could not depend on the security feature
2015-08-12 18:04 <notskittles> it's not in V3.
2015-08-12 18:04 <diva> ok, I'll dump the headers to check what exactly I should be scanning for. I can scan for multiple headers/cookie names
2015-08-12 18:04 <LiruCookies> notskittles: fixing
2015-08-12 18:05 <notskittles> there is no agni_sl_session_id in second life source, only in singularity.
2015-08-12 18:05 <Melanie_> interesting
2015-08-12 18:05 <Melanie_> did they change that name?
2015-08-12 18:06 <notskittles> the token name is sent in the login response as an other parameter "openid_token"
2015-08-12 18:06 <lkalif> diva: SL uses authenticated web pages for things like search and market.
2015-08-12 18:06 <notskittles> so it's dynamic, that's what assigns it as agni_sl_session_id
2015-08-12 18:06 <notskittles> but it's not hard coded.
2015-08-12 18:07 <Melanie_> interesting because in singu, openid_token is just the content of the token
2015-08-12 18:07 <Melanie_> it doesn't include the name
2015-08-12 18:08 <Melanie_> so you're basically saying that if openid_token is 1234
2015-08-12 18:08 <Melanie_> singu will send agni_sl_session_id=1234
2015-08-12 18:08 <Melanie_> and other viewers will send 1234
2015-08-12 18:08 <Melanie_> without a cookie name
2015-08-12 18:08 <Melanie_> ?
2015-08-12 18:08 <notskittles> / Start the process of fetching the OpenID session cookie for this user login
2015-08-12 18:09 <notskittles> std::string openid_url = response["openid_url"];
2015-08-12 18:09 <notskittles> if(!openid_url.empty())
2015-08-12 18:09 <notskittles> {
2015-08-12 18:09 <notskittles> 	std::string openid_token = response["openid_token"];
2015-08-12 18:09 <notskittles> 	LLViewerMedia::openIDSetup(openid_url, openid_token);
2015-08-12 18:09 <notskittles> }
2015-08-12 18:09 <Melanie_> and that for other viewers to work right, one needs to set openid_token to agni_sl_session_id=1234
2015-08-12 18:09 <Melanie_> to get what singu gives now?
2015-08-12 18:09 <diva> I think I heard that the openid token that comes at login includes that name
2015-08-12 18:09 <lkalif> i think she says it will send 1234=xyz
2015-08-12 18:10 <Melanie_> lkalif where would xyz come from then?
2015-08-12 18:10 <Melanie_> from the result of calling the url?
2015-08-12 18:11 <lkalif> i don't know
2015-08-12 18:11 <diva> so potentially we could send an openid_token="opensim_session_id=123" and things would just work fine viewer side if we scan for that server-side?
2015-08-12 18:11 <Melanie_> diva: the login server accepts a parameter, OpenIDServerURL
2015-08-12 18:11 <LiruCookies> Melanie_: It's like that because Aleric doesn't know what he's doing...
2015-08-12 18:12 <Melanie_> so I would assume that, in SL, the viewer then accesses that to present the token
2015-08-12 18:12 <Melanie_> and would then maybe get the cookie value?
2015-08-12 18:12 <lkalif> but she said that agni_sl_session_id is not hardcoded
2015-08-12 18:12 <Melanie_> lkalif: i understand that and believe her
2015-08-12 18:12 <LiruCookies> Ugh, since 17.3 it's like that.
2015-08-12 18:12 <LiruCookies> It wasn't originally like that, Aleric broke it...
2015-08-12 18:12 <Melanie_> just trying to figure out how it's done the right way
2015-08-12 18:13 <notskittles> https://bitbucket.org/lindenlab/viewer-release/src/9f2f82e7c37127106b340b18c3a938f1ecf121cf/indra/newview/llviewermedia.cpp?at=default#cl-1393
2015-08-12 18:13 <diva> af
2015-08-12 18:13 <diva> afk
2015-08-12 18:13 <lkalif> notskittles: the viewer needs to send name=val. where does name and val come from?
2015-08-12 18:14 <notskittles> i'm looking...
2015-08-12 18:14 <lkalif> setCookiesFromHost
2015-08-12 18:15 <lkalif> Melanie_: it names var based on openid hostname
2015-08-12 18:15 <Melanie_> lkalif: seems those come from the openid url
2015-08-12 18:15 <lkalif> yep
2015-08-12 18:16 <Melanie_> looks like that code needs some revison in singu
2015-08-12 18:16 <lkalif> LiruCookies is on it :)
2015-08-12 18:38 <LiruCookies> I like diva's original idea better than this whole openid thing, I'd prefer we go wth that
2015-08-12 18:38 <LiruCookies> It's no trouble to make viewer changes, really.
2015-08-12 18:40 <CmdrCupcake> Doing a webpage just adds a different type of UX kludge really
2015-08-12 18:41 <LiruCookies> Yeah.
2015-08-12 18:43 <lkalif> there is no need to modify anything
2015-08-12 18:43 <lkalif> the viewer already sends the cookie anyway
2015-08-12 18:45 <CmdrCupcake> lkalif: But at this point supporting opensim in any viewer requires us to do rather heavy amounts of modification anyway, small things like that to create a better UX are not really that much trouble :P
2015-08-12 18:46 <LiruCookies> It's preferable, even, because a better UX means nicer impressions of opensim.
2015-08-12 18:50 <lkalif> what better ux, nothing needs to be different in this case
2015-08-12 19:32 <diva> lkalif, there is a difference between getting the amooth built-in pop up and a pop up for visiting a URL
2015-08-12 19:32 <diva> smooth
2015-08-12 19:33 <diva> which then opens a web browser possibly outside the viewer
2015-08-12 19:34 <diva> if we do what Melanie suggested, the UI would be considerably different. If we do what we were talking about before her suggestion, the UI would be exactly the same
2015-08-12 19:34 <CmdrCupcake> yeah :P
2015-08-12 19:34 <CmdrCupcake> And I don't really trust the viewers web component that much to be honest.
2015-08-12 19:34 <CmdrCupcake> IT's not exactly known for being secure or reliable.
2015-08-12 19:35 <CmdrCupcake> It's using a security-hole-ridden version of webkit circa 2010/2012
2015-08-12 19:35 <LiruCookies> It's one of the worst areas of the viewer.
2015-08-12 19:36 <CmdrCupcake> I completely agree!
2015-08-12 19:36 <CmdrCupcake> I even have POC attacks against it 
2015-08-12 19:36 <CmdrCupcake> moap makes me cringe because of that :(
2015-08-12 19:36 <Plugh> I'm not sure what you are talking about but if something has a bad version of webkit wouldn't you just update it if you are making other changes?
2015-08-12 19:36 <Plugh> :)
2015-08-12 19:36 <CmdrCupcake> It uses QtWebkit.
2015-08-12 19:36 <CmdrCupcake> :P
2015-08-12 19:37 <CmdrCupcake> Which well LL abandoned Qt usage for their new CEF project, and Qt themselves have deprecated QtWebkit for a newer incompatible API which lacks a number of things we rely on from QtWebkit
2015-08-12 19:39 <Plugh> That is in the viewer?
2015-08-12 19:39 <CmdrCupcake> Yeah.
2015-08-12 19:39 <notskittles> "just" updating a qt component is a lot of work especially if you have modifications.
2015-08-12 19:39 <CmdrCupcake> The viewers web browser is just a wrapper around QtWebkit with some offscren render magic thrown ontop
2015-08-12 19:40 <Plugh> I don't use the built-in webbrower.
2015-08-12 19:40 <notskittles> no doubt.
2015-08-12 19:41 <notskittles> oops, wrong chat. lol
2015-08-12 19:41 <Plugh> :)
2015-08-12 19:43 <Plugh> Sounds like it should get updated at some point. Just a question of finding someone willing to spend the time to update it.
2015-08-12 19:43 <CmdrCupcake> We spend time updating it.
2015-08-12 19:43 <CmdrCupcake> You can't really do anything when it's a deprecated piece of software.
2015-08-12 19:44 <Plugh> update the viewer I meant. What features are not in whatever would replace QtWebKit?
2015-08-12 19:45 <notskittles> it's being updated to chromium embedded framrwork by linden lab. it's just taking a while.
2015-08-12 19:45 <lkalif> I see Henri has CEF in Cool VL viewe already
2015-08-12 19:45 <lkalif> he's a machine
2015-08-12 19:45 <Plugh> notskittles: ok.
2015-08-12 19:45 <CmdrCupcake> lkalif: It's no where near production ready though.
2015-08-12 19:45 <CmdrCupcake> It's /really/ busted
2015-08-12 19:45 <CmdrCupcake> and slooow.
2015-08-12 19:45 <CmdrCupcake> slower then qtwebkit even lol
2015-08-12 19:46 <lkalif> lol
2015-08-12 19:46 <CmdrCupcake> we have a branch of alchemy with cef
2015-08-12 19:46 <CmdrCupcake> oh and moap renders upside down.
2015-08-12 19:46 <lkalif> do plugins work?
2015-08-12 19:46 <Plugh> It's a new feature.
2015-08-12 19:46 <CmdrCupcake> CEF doesnt support flash.
2015-08-12 19:46 <CmdrCupcake> lol
2015-08-12 19:46 <CmdrCupcake> or npapi
2015-08-12 19:46 <CmdrCupcake> no more flash.
2015-08-12 19:46 <CmdrCupcake> :P
2015-08-12 19:47 <CmdrCupcake> it supports html5 youtube though
2015-08-12 19:47 <CmdrCupcake> CEF also doesn't support h264 or mp3 audio for html5 media.
2015-08-12 19:47 <notskittles> flash not being supported is the best idea.
2015-08-12 19:47 <notskittles> the only good flash update is the one that disables it forever.
2015-08-12 19:47 <Plugh> Would no support for flash break a lot of inworld video viewers?
2015-08-12 19:47 <CmdrCupcake> notskittles: I'm in complete agreement
2015-08-12 19:48 <lkalif> Plugh: yes
2015-08-12 19:48 <dahlia> CEF? the embedded chrome renderer?
2015-08-12 19:48 <notskittles> yes
2015-08-12 19:49 <CmdrCupcake> adding proprietary codecs to a build of CEF is left up to the consumer of the library as those are patented in the US and require a royalty-per-install 
2015-08-12 19:49 <Plugh> As flash support isn't universal it would be good to no longer rely on it. My browser keeps complaining about my flash player.
2015-08-12 19:49 <CmdrCupcake> Relying on patent-free codecs is much nicer :)
2015-08-12 19:49 <lkalif> youtube is flashfree too now
2015-08-12 19:50 <lkalif> not experimental anymore
2015-08-12 19:50 <Plugh> Must have been a lot of work for them to convert all the old videos over to something other than flash.
2015-08-12 19:50 <dahlia> I'm actually rather pleased that my firefox install always thinks flash is outdated and has to ask permission to run
2015-08-12 19:51 <Plugh> yea, that's what my browser does.
2015-08-12 19:52 <Plugh> I need to get away from Firefox though. It no longer remembers open tabs/windows when I shut it down and start it up again. Been that way for several releases.
2015-08-12 20:27 <H-H-H> anyone here able to do anything about the large amount of reports about the asset server being down on osgrid?
2015-08-12 23:13 <osmantis> Bug #7679:04 Unnecessary line ending change in LSL_Api.cs source code 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7679 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-12 23:34 <osmantis> Bug #7679:04 Unnecessary line ending change in LSL_Api.cs source code 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7679 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-12 23:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #4276 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-12 23:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4276: SUCCESS in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4276/
2015-08-12 23:39 <osjenkins> melanie: Remove DOS line endings from LSL_API.cs
2015-08-13 01:36 <nebadon> Melanie that fix was from a mantis right?
2015-08-13 01:36 <nebadon> Melanie_
2015-08-13 01:36 <Melanie_> yup
2015-08-13 01:37 <nebadon> oh the mantis bot wasnt here
2015-08-13 01:37 <nebadon> sorry i thought maybe mantis didnt get updated i just saw it was
2015-08-13 01:37 <nebadon> oh wait it was its I just missed it
2015-08-13 01:37 <Melanie_> [01:35:19]  <cia-opensim>	 opensim: melanie * re9067c133c7b OpenSim/Region/ScriptEngine/Shared/Api/Implementation (LSL_Api.cs):
2015-08-13 01:37 <Melanie_> [01:35:20]  <cia-opensim>	   Remove DOS line endings from LSL_API.cs
2015-08-13 01:37 <Melanie_> [01:35:21]  <cia-opensim>	   http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=e9067c133c7ba3a2c2459e65487c1545f1d6f950
2015-08-13 01:37 <Melanie_> [01:35:29]  <osmantis>	 Bug #7679: Unnecessary line ending change in LSL_Api.cs source code ( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7679 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-13 01:37 <Melanie_> [01:35:37]  <osjenkins>	 Starting build #4276 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-13 01:37 <Melanie_> [01:40:14]  <osjenkins>	 Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4276: SUCCESS in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4276/
2015-08-13 01:37 <Melanie_> [01:40:14]  <osjenkins>	 melanie: Remove DOS line endings from LSL_API.cs
2015-08-13 01:37 <Melanie_> everything is there
2015-08-13 01:38 <nebadon> ya I see it now
2015-08-13 01:38 <nebadon> duh heh
2015-08-13 01:38 <Melanie_> and we need to let diva know to set up her git line endings properly
2015-08-13 01:38 <nebadon> you were just very quick on updating it
2015-08-13 01:38 <nebadon> hehe
2015-08-13 01:38 <nebadon> it got sandwiched threw me off
2015-08-13 01:38 <Melanie_> well, with justin gone someone has to take up the resposinbility
2015-08-13 01:38 <nebadon> :)
2015-08-13 01:38 <dahlia> oh for a moment I thought I might have done that
2015-08-13 01:38 <Melanie_> i had it before, why not again?
2015-08-13 01:38 <dahlia> 
ACTION was hiding

2015-08-13 01:39 <nebadon> I try to apply patches when I can :)
2015-08-13 01:39 <Melanie_> 
ACTION uses a pack of hounds, in violation of the hunting ban, to flush out dahlia 

2015-08-13 01:39 <dahlia> :(
2015-08-13 01:43 <dahlia> 
ACTION does a little hunting on occasion http://imgur.com/aCcBqyd

2015-08-13 01:52 <diva> sorry, I don't know what's wrong with my line endings here
2015-08-13 01:53 <misterblue> I always do a 'git diff' and then pass everything through 'dos2unix' before checking in :)
2015-08-13 01:54 <Melanie_> if your git is set up properly it will do it for you
2015-08-13 01:54 <Melanie_> also, you may consider using a real operating system
2015-08-13 01:54 <Melanie_> rather than windows
2015-08-13 01:54 <Melanie_> something that actually is POSIX compliant
2015-08-13 02:00 <dahlia> There's something called "AutoCrlf" in TortoiseGit Settings->Git but I have it unchecked
2015-08-13 02:01 <dahlia> perhaps thare can be a repo-specific .git/config ?
2015-08-13 02:02 <Melanie_> all git repos should use bare LF
2015-08-13 02:02 <Melanie_> git was meant to interface with windows
2015-08-13 02:02 <Melanie_> but it's not native to it
2015-08-13 02:02 <Melanie_> actually checking in crlf endings into a git repo is not proper use
2015-08-13 02:03 <nebadon> 
ACTION is booting Windows 10 IOT on his raspberry pi2

2015-08-13 02:03 <Melanie_> nebadon: did you read the privacy violations in the new TOS?
2015-08-13 02:03 <Melanie_> you don't really want windoes 10
2015-08-13 02:04 <nebadon> yea im not that concerned
2015-08-13 02:04 <nebadon> some of it is overblown
2015-08-13 02:04 <dahlia> you can disable all that
2015-08-13 02:04 <Melanie_> yes but i don't trust them to honor tha disable
2015-08-13 02:04 <nebadon> its no different than Windows 8.1 really
2015-08-13 02:04 <dahlia> no different than any other big corp
2015-08-13 02:04 <nebadon> which is what came loaded on my laptop
2015-08-13 02:04 <Melanie_> there is a def design to supply the NSA with emails they can, thanks to pgp, no longer get to any other way
2015-08-13 02:04 <nebadon> Windows 10 is pretty nice surprisingly
2015-08-13 02:05 <dahlia> NSA doesnt need cooperation from microsoft to tap your computer
2015-08-13 02:05 <nebadon> ya that ship already sailed
2015-08-13 02:05 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-13 02:06 <dahlia> and if you think any other OS is safe from the NSA's prying eyes... well enjoy it while you got it :)
2015-08-13 02:06 <nebadon> the Windows 10 IOT image is very basic
2015-08-13 02:06 <nebadon> its just an example image
2015-08-13 02:06 <nebadon> not real functionality, I just wanted to see how it was
2015-08-13 02:07 <dahlia> why you care about IoT? 
2015-08-13 02:07 <dahlia> making an opensim spy thermostat?
2015-08-13 02:07 <nebadon> I suspect it might be possible to make an image that could boot directly into opensimulator
2015-08-13 02:08 <nebadon> could probably do all kinds of stuff with it though, I doubt I will use it much
2015-08-13 02:09 <nebadon> i just figured why not put the pi through all the paces :)
2015-08-13 02:11 <nebadon> https://ms-iot.github.io/content/en-US/GetStarted.htm
2015-08-13 02:23 <nebadon> seems like opensimulator is still not running on the newest mono code
2015-08-13 02:23 <nebadon> mono 4.3.0.x
2015-08-13 02:24 <nebadon> been hoping things would improve but its been a couple months
2015-08-13 02:24 <nebadon> wonder what has changed
2015-08-13 02:24 <nebadon> not saying we should or have to do anything, just a bit concering at some point we may have to
2015-08-13 02:43 <Plugh> What happens when trying to use 4.3.0?
2015-08-13 02:44 <nebadon> it instantly fails when trying to start it
2015-08-13 02:44 <nebadon> its like it cant read the ini files
2015-08-13 02:52 <dahlia> probably wouldn't hurt to have some clues why
2015-08-13 02:55 <nebadon> dahlia and plugh this is what startup looks like
2015-08-13 02:55 <nebadon> https://gist.github.com/nebadon2025/0bf1e823313990cc794a
2015-08-13 02:57 <Plugh> nebadon: I hate that type of error. First thing I check is connection strings.
2015-08-13 02:57 <nebadon> ya but if i change back to mono 4.0.1 it starts right up
2015-08-13 02:57 <nebadon> its not a config problem
2015-08-13 02:57 <Plugh> Strange that it has trouble reading the ini.
2015-08-13 02:57 <nebadon> yea
2015-08-13 02:57 <Plugh> *nix box?
2015-08-13 02:58 <nebadon> yes
2015-08-13 02:58 <nebadon> opensuse 13.1
2015-08-13 02:58 <Plugh> um... yea, of course it would be *nix or you wouldn't need mono.  d'uh. :)
2015-08-13 02:58 <nebadon> :)
2015-08-13 02:58 <Plugh> habit to ask. 
2015-08-13 02:59 <Plugh> Are you using absolute or relative path to the ini file?
2015-08-13 02:59 <nebadon> absolute
2015-08-13 02:59 <Plugh> ok. That shoots down that idea.
2015-08-13 03:00 <AliciaRaven2> hi, looks like it can read the ini, just an epic fail trying to connect to the db
2015-08-13 03:00 <nebadon> thing is AliciaRaven
2015-08-13 03:00 <Plugh> That code should be fixed to do something other than barf like that if there is a problem connecting to the db.
2015-08-13 03:00 <nebadon> if you dont configure the bottom of OpenSim.ini for like Standalone.ini
2015-08-13 03:00 <nebadon> you get the same exact message
2015-08-13 03:01 <nebadon> its like the ini includes are being ignored
2015-08-13 03:01 <Plugh> You could use strace to see if it is opening the files or not.
2015-08-13 03:01 <Plugh> or is it ltrace you need here.
2015-08-13 03:01 <nebadon> try it, comment out all the selections in [Architecture]
2015-08-13 03:01 <nebadon> it generates the exact same message
2015-08-13 03:02 <AliciaRaven2> ah, umm the code should detect that as it will happen alot with new users, should give a clear message to check the config and not just choke like that
2015-08-13 03:03 <nebadon> ah ya it does now
2015-08-13 03:03 <nebadon> must have changed
2015-08-13 03:03 <nebadon> it still has a similar message now though
2015-08-13 03:04 <nebadon> https://gist.github.com/nebadon2025/2353ab283d48737f9926
2015-08-13 03:05 <nebadon> this is message you get on mono 4.0.1 with that section commented out
2015-08-13 03:05 <nebadon> you can see they both say
2015-08-13 03:05 <nebadon> Exception: System.Exception: Configuration file is missing the [SimulationDataStore] section. 
2015-08-13 03:06 <AliciaRaven2> the first one says it tried to load something it read from the config tho and failed
2015-08-13 03:06 <nebadon> so ya maybe the modules are just failing to load
2015-08-13 03:06 <Plugh> diva, I got the Diva Wifi stuff running. Might I suggest that you add a note to say that if you are doing a fresh install skip to step 6. For those upgrading from an earlier install to 0.8.1, use the following steps.
2015-08-13 03:06 <Plugh> diva, one thing that has been noticed. The "forgot password" link on the front page of WiFi doesn't seem to be working.
2015-08-13 03:06 <nebadon> wish there was a way to get more specific message
2015-08-13 03:07 <nebadon> it fails so quickly, pretty much instant fail
2015-08-13 03:08 <AliciaRaven2> could fill that area with debug messages to see which ones make it to the log, get an idea how far its getting
2015-08-13 03:08 <Plugh> strace should let you see if it is opening the files or not. Perhaps there is a problem with the DB connector feature of mono? I think that more likely than it not opening some files while working with others.
2015-08-13 03:09 <nebadon> I think its more likely that DB is the first thing to load
2015-08-13 03:10 <AliciaRaven2> could u build in debug mode so it shows the line numbers?
2015-08-13 03:10 <nebadon> ya let me do that
2015-08-13 03:10 <Plugh> strace mono OpenSim.exe |& grep OpenSim.ini
2015-08-13 03:11 <Plugh> or grep for whatever file you think it might not be reading. You could also just grep for "^open"
2015-08-13 03:11 <Plugh> that will filter it so it shows you the open calls on files.
2015-08-13 03:14 <Plugh> Um... weird. My Windows XP that has reached end of life just told me that there is a new update available for it.
2015-08-13 03:14 <Plugh> The update is for Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool and is dated this month.
2015-08-13 03:16 <nebadon> ya thats pretty much cross platform app
2015-08-13 03:16 <nebadon> probably while its still being updated
2015-08-13 03:16 <Plugh> still surprising when they weren't supposed to be any more updates.
2015-08-13 03:17 <AliciaRaven2> i like win7, hate win8 so scared to try win10 lol
2015-08-13 03:17 <nebadon> Win10 is much more like windows 7
2015-08-13 03:19 <Plugh> My dad got win10 on his machine before I got it on my laptop and I thought I would have registered for the free upgrade before he did.
2015-08-13 03:19 <nebadon> this is my windows 10 desktop
2015-08-13 03:19 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/windows10_01.png
2015-08-13 03:19 <nebadon> has classicshell
2015-08-13 03:19 <AliciaRaven2> at some point ill load it on my laptop, see if its worthy of using on my main pc
2015-08-13 03:20 <nebadon> the windows 10 start menu is massively improved though
2015-08-13 03:20 <nebadon> ya that is what i did on my laptop
2015-08-13 03:20 <AliciaRaven2> oh u have meshlab, i have that heh
2015-08-13 03:21 <dahlia> I cant figure out how to lock the windows 10 screen remotely thru synergy
2015-08-13 03:21 <dahlia> on windows 7 I could go start->power <little arrow>->lock screen
2015-08-13 03:21 <nebadon> on the start menu
2015-08-13 03:22 <nebadon> right click on your name
2015-08-13 03:22 <Plugh> AliciaRaven2: Have you installed a program called Start Menu for Windows 8? It helps make Win 8 more useable.
2015-08-13 03:22 <nebadon> it will bring up like a sub menu dahlia
2015-08-13 03:22 <dahlia> cool ty
2015-08-13 03:22 <nebadon> I think its there I cant easily check at the moment
2015-08-13 03:22 <nebadon> was it?
2015-08-13 03:22 <AliciaRaven2> win8 didnt survive on my laptop long enough Plugh lol
2015-08-13 03:22 <dahlia> how did you find that?
2015-08-13 03:22 <nebadon> google
2015-08-13 03:22 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-13 03:22 <Plugh> AliciaRaven2: :)
2015-08-13 03:23 <dahlia> I tried google
2015-08-13 03:23 <nebadon> I was searching for how to log out
2015-08-13 03:23 <nebadon> not lock screen
2015-08-13 03:23 <nebadon> i was like wtf
2015-08-13 03:23 <dahlia> it gave me 300 pages of "how to disable screen lock"
2015-08-13 03:23 <nebadon> no logout option
2015-08-13 03:23 <dahlia> lol
2015-08-13 03:23 <dahlia> google getting buggy lately
2015-08-13 03:24 <dahlia> like my gmail... shows subjects from one email and senders from another
2015-08-13 03:24 <dahlia> have to hit browser refresh button to fix
2015-08-13 03:25 <dahlia> 
ACTION thinks perhaps the minions at google are restless and demoralized from all the alphabet stuff

2015-08-13 03:25 <Plugh> nebadon: cool. you have 3ds max and Maya.
2015-08-13 03:25 <nebadon> ya i registerd for 3 year student license
2015-08-13 03:25 <nebadon> pretty much anyone can now
2015-08-13 03:25 <dahlia> 3 year now?
2015-08-13 03:25 <nebadon> ya
2015-08-13 03:25 <dahlia> used to be 1
2015-08-13 03:25 <AliciaRaven2> i tried maya once, scared the crap outa me, never seen software so complex
2015-08-13 03:25 <nebadon> ya dont know if I will use them much
2015-08-13 03:25 <dahlia> I used to know max pretty well
2015-08-13 03:26 <nebadon> nice to be able to tinker now and then though
2015-08-13 03:26 <nebadon> my focus will remain blender
2015-08-13 03:26 <dahlia> honestly I prefer blender to max 
2015-08-13 03:26 <Plugh> It would be interesting to look at Maya. 
2015-08-13 03:26 <AliciaRaven2> nebadon has accutrans3d, i used to use that alot about 10 years back for rwx models
2015-08-13 03:26 <dahlia> me too if I had a few maya classes
2015-08-13 03:26 <Plugh> Hm... how does Blender compare to Maya in terms of apparent complexity?
2015-08-13 03:27 <dahlia> well max can get extremely complex
2015-08-13 03:27 <dahlia> dunno maya
2015-08-13 03:27 <nebadon> ya I dont know much about Maya
2015-08-13 03:28 <Plugh> AliciaRaven2: How would you compare Maya and Blender in terms of what might scare a person.
2015-08-13 03:28 <dahlia> and max has  bazillion hidden unlabeled undovumented features that people only learn thru word of mouth
2015-08-13 03:28 <AliciaRaven2> maya is used by alot of movie studios for complex stuff, very powerfull
2015-08-13 03:29 <AliciaRaven2> blender is complex buy maya, it was a long time ago but i just remember a million menu options and more buttons and controls than id ever seen in one app
2015-08-13 03:29 <AliciaRaven2> buy*but
2015-08-13 03:30 <diva> Plugh: done. Thanks.
2015-08-13 03:30 <Plugh> diva, yw
2015-08-13 03:31 <nebadon> for me its more about cost
2015-08-13 03:31 <nebadon> vs what the software can actually do
2015-08-13 03:31 <nebadon> heh
2015-08-13 03:31 <nebadon> nothing beats free
2015-08-13 03:31 <dahlia> free is one thing, ease of use is another
2015-08-13 03:31 <nebadon> so far nothing in Maya or 3D Studio for me justifies its cost
2015-08-13 03:31 <AliciaRaven2> yep
2015-08-13 03:31 <dahlia> I found blender a lot easier for modeling than max
2015-08-13 03:32 <Plugh> diva, do I use all three of those commands to get the updated version? or just the last of the three?
2015-08-13 03:32 <dahlia> max has way better materials and animation systems
2015-08-13 03:32 <diva> when I do a new release?
2015-08-13 03:32 <Plugh> dahlia, all depends what you get used to. I prefer modelling in Rhino to Blender
2015-08-13 03:32 <dahlia> never used rhino
2015-08-13 03:33 <Plugh> diva, to pick up the change you just made for that forgot password button.
2015-08-13 03:33 <diva> isn;t that fixed already?
2015-08-13 03:33 <dahlia> max is just more keystrokes or clicks that tend to break my concentration
2015-08-13 03:33 <Plugh> dahlia, one of the main differences is they target completely different audiences. I'm usually modelling real world objects and Rhino lets ms working in real world dimensions.
2015-08-13 03:34 <Plugh> diva, I thought that is what you just said you fixed.
2015-08-13 03:34 <diva> 2 days ago?
2015-08-13 03:34 <dahlia> Plugh: sure but most 3d apps just use "units" which are really undefined anyway
2015-08-13 03:34 <diva> 2 days ago I updated wifi to deal with the changes in libomv. no bug fixes
2015-08-13 03:34 <dahlia> call them meters if you wish
2015-08-13 03:34 <AliciaRaven2> our model guy always uses Zbrush
2015-08-13 03:34 <Plugh> diva, ? You must be in a time warp? I just mentioned it now about the forgot password button not working.
2015-08-13 03:35 <diva> what?!? :)
2015-08-13 03:35 <diva> when?
2015-08-13 03:35 <diva> what's not working? :)
2015-08-13 03:35 <diva> who broke it? :)
2015-08-13 03:35 <diva> why?
2015-08-13 03:35 <diva> there all the w's
2015-08-13 03:36 <Plugh> diva: (11:06:43 PM) Plugh: diva, one thing that has been noticed. The "forgot password" link on the front page of WiFi doesn't seem to be working.
2015-08-13 03:36 <Plugh> I only just installed WiFi last night.
2015-08-13 03:36 <AliciaRaven2> u missed where diva
2015-08-13 03:36 <nebadon> AliciRaven2 sorry for delay I was trying to figure it out
2015-08-13 03:36 <nebadon> but even with mono --debug
2015-08-13 03:36 <nebadon> the line #s are all :0
2015-08-13 03:36 <diva> Plugh I guess I didn't catch that
2015-08-13 03:37 <diva> I'll check this weekend
2015-08-13 03:37 <nebadon> initially I thought i did something wrong, i was recompiling and stuff
2015-08-13 03:37 <diva> I have a paper to finish, it's pretty much consuming all of my cycles
2015-08-13 03:38 <AliciaRaven2> nebadon, k np, i would install mono but i dont have a spare linux box for testing at the moment
2015-08-13 03:38 <Plugh> ok. When you said you said "done, thanks" what was it you "done"?
2015-08-13 03:38 <nebadon> virtualbox AliciaRaven2 :P
2015-08-13 03:39 <Plugh> diva, nm. I see.
2015-08-13 03:39 <AliciaRaven2> ah didnt think of that, hey its 4am :P
2015-08-13 03:39 <Plugh> You just missed the other comment I made right after
2015-08-13 03:39 <diva> but is it broken?
2015-08-13 03:39 <diva> oh :)
2015-08-13 03:39 <diva> aahaha
2015-08-13 03:39 <diva> done -- was about updating the instructions
2015-08-13 03:39 <Plugh> AliciaRaven2: I should play an audio recording I have from The Sopranos. It is Tony Soprano saying "What you still doing up? Go to bed!".  ;)
2015-08-13 03:40 <dahlia> nebadon: maybe diva might have a clue about that mono 4.3.whatever startup log you posted
2015-08-13 03:40 <dahlia> like if its some addin thing
2015-08-13 03:40 <Plugh> diva, let me know when you fix the "forgot password" button so I can pull the update.
2015-08-13 03:40 <AliciaRaven2> lol Plugh, coffee and quiet, best time to work, also stayed up to watch meteor shower
2015-08-13 03:40 <diva> is it really broken Plugh?
2015-08-13 03:41 <Plugh> oh, I heard something about Perseids.
2015-08-13 03:41 <diva> what' wrong with it?
2015-08-13 03:41 <dahlia> meh I can't even see stars let alone shooting ones
2015-08-13 03:41 <Plugh> diva, endless spinning of the browser. Never pulls up the wifi/forgotpassword page.
2015-08-13 03:41 <Plugh> dahlia, my problem is that almost everytime something is going to happen at night where you look up, I see clouds.
2015-08-13 03:42 <dahlia> oh. pretty clear here in socal tonight
2015-08-13 03:42 <diva> Plugh works for my 2 grids
2015-08-13 03:42 <diva> do you have a link that I can see?
2015-08-13 03:43 <Plugh> I'll PM it to you
2015-08-13 06:58 <dahlia> diva: ping
2015-08-13 06:59 <dahlia> Cinder posted a sql query on that folder thread: "UPDATE LOW_PRIORITY `inventoryfolders` SET type=8 WHERE type=9 AND parentFolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000"
2015-08-13 07:00 <dahlia> does that seem reasonable to you? would it cover all the folder updates that need to happen?
2015-08-13 08:27 <osmantis> Bug #7673:04 Extra moving_end triggered by llSetKeyframedMotion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7673 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-08-13 16:30 <osmantis> Bug #7680:04 Memory Usage Doubled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7680 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-13 16:34 <osmantis> Bug #7680:04 Memory Usage Doubled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7680 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-08-13 16:37 <osmantis> Bug #7680:04 Memory Usage Doubled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7680 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-08-13 16:39 <osmantis> Bug #7680:04 Memory Usage Doubled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7680 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-13 17:40 <osmantis> Bug #7544:04 [BULLETSIM LINKSET COMPOUND] Linkset rebuild warning 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7544 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2015-08-13 17:40 <osmantis> Bug #7544:04 [BULLETSIM LINKSET COMPOUND] Linkset rebuild warning 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7544 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2015-08-13 21:31 <dahlia> http://modemworld.me/2015/08/13/the-passing-of-lumiere-noir/
2015-08-13 21:48 <H-H-H> ok guys got a new os and will use it to dev opensim on so what would be the recomended mono version i need to install ?
2015-08-13 22:08 <osmantis> Bug #7678:04 [PATCH] llInstantMessage sending incorrect uuids in AgentID and ID packet fields 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7678 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-13 22:14 <dahlia> H-H-H: I think 2.10.8.1 is still the target base version. You can use whatever version you like but if you want to submit patches they should work on 2.10.8.1
2015-08-13 22:15 <H-H-H> really? that old? i was thinking more along the lines of a 3.x version :|
2015-08-13 22:16 <dahlia> well it probably is reaching the time where upping the base version could be discussed but for now it's 2.10.8.1
2015-08-13 22:17 <H-H-H> hmm ok thanks :)
2015-08-13 22:21 <H-H-H> d/l 2.10.8.1
2015-08-13 22:21 <dahlia> FWIW I code in visual studio 2015 and I use mono 3.99.0 on my grid
2015-08-13 22:27 <H-H-H> yes i used to use a 3.10 version iirc
2015-08-14 07:41 <dahlia> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zP0E2atshw
2015-08-14 07:47 <AliciaRaven2> wow very impressive stuff
2015-08-14 16:12 <osmantis> Bug #7681:04 DNS host resolution quirk on mono 4.0.3.20 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7681 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-14 17:48 <osmantis> Bug #4503:04 Region "disappears" when returning from adjacent region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4503 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-14 17:51 <notskittles> @lkalif https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse/pull/27
2015-08-14 17:51 <notskittles> i was silly.
2015-08-14 17:53 <notskittles> ty :)
2015-08-14 17:57 <lkalif> done, thanks
2015-08-14 17:58 <notskittles> np. i have another one if you have a minute.
2015-08-14 17:58 <notskittles> fixes a potential crash exploit.
2015-08-14 18:01 <lkalif> just make a pull req, I get an email notification :)
2015-08-14 18:01 <notskittles> kk
2015-08-14 18:07 <lkalif> hmm, you should really modify map generator and autogenerate _Packets_.cd
2015-08-14 18:07 <lkalif> cs
2015-08-14 18:07 <notskittles> i did.
2015-08-14 18:08 <notskittles> i hadn't before because i didn't know it exsited.
2015-08-14 18:08 <notskittles> lol
2015-08-14 18:08 <notskittles> but now i do.
2015-08-14 18:08 <notskittles> *existed
2015-08-14 18:08 <lkalif> nobody sain would write _Packets_.cs by hand :Å
2015-08-14 18:09 <notskittles> haha
2015-08-14 18:09 <notskittles> no doubt.
2015-08-14 18:09 <notskittles> it's huge.
2015-08-14 18:09 <notskittles> and the code looked generated.
2015-08-14 18:09 <notskittles> i just didn't know by what.
2015-08-14 18:09 <lkalif> I hate github for not showing all the modified files on top
2015-08-14 18:10 <lkalif> so i missed your mod to the map generator
2015-08-14 18:10 <notskittles> ah
2015-08-14 18:10 <notskittles> god, it would have taken hours even to make that change by hand.
2015-08-14 18:11 <lkalif> yeah lol
2015-08-14 19:21 <lkalif> notskittles: you're on the roll
2015-08-14 19:21 <lkalif> :D
2015-08-14 19:21 <notskittles> :D
2015-08-14 19:21 <lkalif> I didn't know PlatformID.MacOSX worked
2015-08-14 19:22 <notskittles> it does if you put it before the unix case.
2015-08-14 19:22 <lkalif> ah, I see
2015-08-14 19:28 <notskittles> mono just barely works on mac, however. lol
2015-08-14 19:28 <notskittles> at least on el capitan preview.
2015-08-14 19:28 <notskittles> just segfaulted on me again...
2015-08-14 19:29 <notskittles> about 50th time today.
2015-08-14 21:40 <diva> misterblue did you ever look at mono addins? what did you think of them?
2015-08-14 22:26 <osmantis> Bug #7682:04 [PATCH] Simulator sending unnecessary ObjectProperties replies on hover 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7682 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-14 22:26 <osmantis> Bug #7682:04 [PATCH] Simulator sending unnecessary ObjectProperties replies on hover 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7682 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-08-14 22:50 <osmantis> Bug #7683:04 [PATCH] Object chat failing to send proper owner id resulting in incorrect viewer behavior 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7683 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-14 22:50 <osmantis> Bug #7683:04 [PATCH] Object chat failing to send proper owner id resulting in incorrect viewer behavior 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7683 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-08-14 23:18 <osmantis> Bug #7683:04 [PATCH] Object chat failing to send proper owner id resulting in incorrect viewer behavior 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7683 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-14 23:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #4277 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-14 23:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4277: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4277/
2015-08-14 23:29 <osjenkins> melanie: Send a proper ownerid for Object messages to conform with what viewer expects
2015-08-14 23:37 <CmdrCupcake> Melanie_T: You around?
2015-08-14 23:37 <Melanie_T> more like octagonal
2015-08-14 23:38 <CmdrCupcake> You guys should update libomv asap. :P
2015-08-14 23:38 <Melanie_T> because of the hover thingy?
2015-08-14 23:38 <CmdrCupcake> 0day crash fix.
2015-08-14 23:38 <dahlia> 
ACTION attempts to imagine an octagonal Melanie_T

2015-08-14 23:38 <Melanie_T> well, I can't update OMV
2015-08-14 23:38 <dahlia> you cant?
2015-08-14 23:38 <Melanie_T> the OMV we include has to be windows-built
2015-08-14 23:39 <Melanie_T> and i don't have windows
2015-08-14 23:39 <dahlia> I can
2015-08-14 23:39 <dahlia> any reason updating now would be a bad idea?
2015-08-14 23:39 <Melanie_T> CmdrCupcake: what's the exact nature of the 'sploit?
2015-08-14 23:39 <dahlia> like some compatibility issue?
2015-08-14 23:39 <nebadon> ping diva
2015-08-14 23:39 <CmdrCupcake> crash any sim with a buffer overflow lol
2015-08-14 23:39 <nebadon> she can update libomv
2015-08-14 23:39 <CmdrCupcake> any packet works. 
2015-08-14 23:40 <Melanie_T> you're not talking about sending a bad length in the header, are you?
2015-08-14 23:40 <dahlia> CmdrCupcake: all dlls? just OpenMetaverse.dll?
2015-08-14 23:40 <CmdrCupcake> This is the specific commit https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse/commit/8229fcdf08ca0dbb0b73ebbb5f4201c29615fad6
2015-08-14 23:41 <nebadon> oh cool sorry dahlia i just saw you said you would heh
2015-08-14 23:41 <nebadon> i responded before i finished reading back
2015-08-14 23:41 <dahlia> ah ok I think Packets.cs is in main dll
2015-08-14 23:42 <Melanie_T> it is
2015-08-14 23:43 <Melanie_T> looks to me like sending a block length on a var block as zero, then sending data, would trigger it
2015-08-14 23:43 <Melanie_T> so you do need a crafted packet
2015-08-14 23:43 <CmdrCupcake> Making crafted packets is trivial in alot of viewers 
2015-08-14 23:43 <CmdrCupcake> lol
2015-08-14 23:43 <Melanie_T> indeed
2015-08-14 23:44 <CmdrCupcake> Oh uh the object properties requests thing results in alot of unfun log spam/slow calls along the selection manager in the viewer
2015-08-14 23:45 <CmdrCupcake> The simulator really should only be sending the ObjectProperties packet when it's actually requested
2015-08-14 23:45 <Melanie_T> when exactly is it sent without being needed?
2015-08-14 23:46 <CmdrCupcake> Move your mouse over any prim in the world.
2015-08-14 23:46 <CmdrCupcake> it sends it.
2015-08-14 23:46 <CmdrCupcake> lol
2015-08-14 23:46 <Melanie_T> that is to feed the tooltip, iirc
2015-08-14 23:46 <CmdrCupcake> nah
2015-08-14 23:46 <CmdrCupcake> ObjectPropertiesFamily is for that.
2015-08-14 23:46 <CmdrCupcake> not ObjectProperties
2015-08-14 23:46 <Melanie_T> i think i rememebr that code passage
2015-08-14 23:47 <Melanie_T> and it sends both
2015-08-14 23:47 <Melanie_T> just to be safe
2015-08-14 23:47 <Melanie_T> it predates viewer code access
2015-08-14 23:47 <CmdrCupcake> don't send both.
2015-08-14 23:47 <Melanie_T> so we didn't know
2015-08-14 23:47 <CmdrCupcake> Ahhh okay lol
2015-08-14 23:47 <CmdrCupcake> it gave me a good few hours of head scratching over giant log files during testing from what
2015-08-14 23:48 <CmdrCupcake> from that*
2015-08-14 23:48 <CmdrCupcake> It can also potentially cause slight selection glitching due to updating twice
2015-08-14 23:48 <Melanie_T> i can't find the bit of code anymore
2015-08-14 23:48 <Melanie_T> that mechanism must have changed
2015-08-14 23:49 <Melanie_T> also, ObjectProperties?
2015-08-14 23:49 <Melanie_T> don't you mean ObjectUpdate?
2015-08-14 23:49 <CmdrCupcake> Nope there's ObjectProperties too :P
2015-08-14 23:49 <CmdrCupcake> its used for selection manager data
2015-08-14 23:49 <Melanie_T> we don't have a SendObjectProperties method…..
2015-08-14 23:50 <Melanie_T> we have SendObjectPropertiesReply
2015-08-14 23:50 <CmdrCupcake> yeah.
2015-08-14 23:50 <CmdrCupcake> it's data that the viewer requests
2015-08-14 23:50 <CmdrCupcake> not something that the simulator sends unconditionally
2015-08-14 23:51 <Melanie_T> what a mess
2015-08-14 23:51 <CmdrCupcake> The patch i included fixes the behavior to what is correct from the viewers end
2015-08-14 23:51 <Melanie_T> well, it appears we send that, among other things, then an object's group change
2015-08-14 23:52 <Melanie_T> i think that is legit
2015-08-14 23:52 <CmdrCupcake> Didn't look into the rest of it yet, was only concerned with why requests for ObjectPropertiesFamily was also sending ObjectProperties x.x
2015-08-14 23:53 <Melanie_T> is this really on just mousing over?
2015-08-14 23:53 <Melanie_T> or is it when prims are selected?
2015-08-14 23:53 <Melanie_T> because we DO send it when a prim is selected
2015-08-14 23:53 <CmdrCupcake> Hover requests ObjectPropertiesFamily, Selection requests ObjectProperties
2015-08-14 23:53 <CmdrCupcake> they're seperate.
2015-08-14 23:54 <CmdrCupcake> now Selection can also potentially request ObjectPropertiesFamily in which case the behavior would still be correct with my patch since they are seperate packet requests
2015-08-14 23:54 <CmdrCupcake> It's just as much of a mess on the viewer side if it makes you feel better x.x
2015-08-14 23:55 <Melanie_T> which patch?
2015-08-14 23:55 <CmdrCupcake> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7682
2015-08-14 23:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #4278 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-14 23:56 <dahlia> if it fails and I'm not here someone please revert :)
2015-08-14 23:56 <dahlia> it did build ok on windows for me but I didnt test on a running sim
2015-08-14 23:59 <Melanie_T> CmdrCupcake: I found we fixed that in avination years ago
2015-08-14 23:59 <CmdrCupcake> haha
2015-08-14 23:59 <CmdrCupcake> Yeah I've been finding alot of fun bugs as we've been adding opensim support into alchemy
2015-08-14 23:59 <Melanie_T> oh i see that is why
2015-08-15 00:00 <CmdrCupcake> mostly things that create little bits of ux breakage or race conditions
2015-08-15 00:00 <Melanie_T> well, bring'em on
2015-08-15 00:00 <CmdrCupcake> I've been fixing them too :P
2015-08-15 00:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4278: SUCCESS in 4 min 36 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4278/
2015-08-15 00:00 <osjenkins> dahlia: Update libomv managed dlls to 49a5cf05c32e
2015-08-15 00:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #4279 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-15 00:00 <dahlia> w00t success
2015-08-15 00:01 <dahlia> CmdrCupcake: I had a lot of fun crashing viewers when I was implementing the materials protocol in opensim
2015-08-15 00:01 <CmdrCupcake> x.x
2015-08-15 00:01 <CmdrCupcake> I had alot of fun fixing crashes when we were implementing materials for the lindens.
2015-08-15 00:01 <dahlia> seems the llsd parser in the viewer is... yeah...
2015-08-15 00:01 <CmdrCupcake> if that makes you feel better.
2015-08-15 00:01 <dahlia> lol
2015-08-15 00:01 <CmdrCupcake> materials code is a horror :O
2015-08-15 00:01 <dahlia> the protocol is an abomination
2015-08-15 00:02 <CmdrCupcake> Oh Cinder is working on integrating a viewer side packet/capability logger/inspector
2015-08-15 00:02 <dahlia> oh
2015-08-15 00:02 <CmdrCupcake> Because proxying for that is soooo annoying.
2015-08-15 00:02 <dahlia> ya wingridproxy still cool tho
2015-08-15 00:03 <dahlia> I thought singu has some packet inspector thingie but not sure if other viewers have it
2015-08-15 00:03 <dahlia> but prolly GPL
2015-08-15 00:03 <CmdrCupcake> Nah it's uh
2015-08-15 00:03 <CmdrCupcake> Cryo wrote it lol
2015-08-15 00:03 <dahlia> oh
2015-08-15 00:03 <CmdrCupcake> the message logger
2015-08-15 00:04 <dahlia> ya been a while since I looked at it. I remember it was not as good as wingridproxy
2015-08-15 00:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4279: SUCCESS in 4 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4279/
2015-08-15 00:04 <osjenkins> melanie: Only send the requested ObjectPropertiesFamily in the RequestObjectPropertiesFamily reply and not the actual ObjectProperties packet
2015-08-15 00:05 <dahlia> lkalif wrote a prettier gtk version too which is nice
2015-08-15 00:05 <CmdrCupcake> We like in viewer stuff since c++ is easier to generally debug in our workflows lol
2015-08-15 00:05 <dahlia> whatever works :)
2015-08-15 00:06 <CmdrCupcake> Except on those days I'm sitting in wireshark spitting fire because curl/http are misbehaving in strange and mysterious ways.
2015-08-15 00:06 <CmdrCupcake> http is strange and mysterious :(
2015-08-15 00:06 <CmdrCupcake> especially when you throw in keep-alive and pipelining
2015-08-15 00:06 <dahlia> hmmm whats that http sniffer thingie... much nicer than wireshark
2015-08-15 00:07 <CmdrCupcake> and everyones own special implementation quirks for each respectively
2015-08-15 00:07 <dahlia> looks a lot like wingridproxy
2015-08-15 00:07 <CmdrCupcake> Fiddler?
2015-08-15 00:07 <CmdrCupcake> x.x it's not as good as wireshark for debugging pipelining issues
2015-08-15 00:08 <dahlia> fiddler
2015-08-15 00:08 <dahlia> ya
2015-08-15 00:08 <dahlia> nice
2015-08-15 02:07 <diva> so all good with libomv?
2015-08-15 02:16 <CmdrCupcake> tested okay for me :O
2015-08-15 02:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #4280 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-15 02:21 <osmantis> Bug #7682:04 [PATCH] Simulator sending unnecessary ObjectProperties replies on hover 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7682 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-15 02:24 <dahlia> hmmm Melanie_T had a very similar commit message a few hours ago, were there 2 patches? did one get committed twice?
2015-08-15 02:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4280: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4280/
2015-08-15 02:25 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Only send the requested ObjectPropertiesFamily in the RequestObjectPropertiesFamily reply and not the actual ObjectProperties packet
2015-08-15 02:27 <diva> I don't know. It was still pending on mantis. She committed another one
2015-08-15 02:27 <diva> maybe it was the same!
2015-08-15 02:28 <diva> now we're doubel sure!
2015-08-15 02:28 <diva> :)
2015-08-15 02:29 <CmdrCupcake> \o/
2015-08-15 02:32 <misterblue> we'll not send it twice
2015-08-15 02:33 <diva> I felt like having a little C# releif after a day of R
2015-08-15 03:01 <diva> misterblue: did you get a chance to look into mono addins?
2015-08-15 03:02 <dahlia> oh I vaguely remember r, the stats language?
2015-08-15 03:02 <dahlia> I abandoned it for pspp
2015-08-15 03:03 <diva> yes stats
2015-08-15 03:03 <dahlia> wish I had a minitab license tho
2015-08-15 03:05 <misterblue> diva... I did look... haven't implemented one yet
2015-08-15 03:09 <AliciaRaven2> CmdrCupcake, u still around?
2015-08-15 03:10 <CmdrCupcake> Yeess
2015-08-15 03:11 <AliciaRaven2> the patch about object family propertys has undone a bug fix i made for singularity alphas
2015-08-15 03:11 <AliciaRaven2> hold on ill find the mantis..
2015-08-15 03:11 <CmdrCupcake> I tested it against that.
2015-08-15 03:11 <CmdrCupcake> :P
2015-08-15 03:11 <AliciaRaven2> with the latest singularity alpha?
2015-08-15 03:11 <CmdrCupcake> The mantis that it had supposedly undone
2015-08-15 03:11 <AliciaRaven2> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7426
2015-08-15 03:11 <CmdrCupcake> If singularity is broken we'll fix singularity.
2015-08-15 03:11 <CmdrCupcake> lol
2015-08-15 03:12 <AliciaRaven2> i just tested with latest alpha and its back again for me lol
2015-08-15 03:12 <CmdrCupcake> Let me go scream at liru
2015-08-15 03:12 <CmdrCupcake> Hacking around viewer bugs on the server just creates more headaches for other viewers.
2015-08-15 03:13 <AliciaRaven2> LiruCookies had said it wasnt a viewer bug, he knows where the code in the viewer that causes it is, didnt make sense at the time why that change in the viewer would cause the bug tho
2015-08-15 03:13 <LiruCookies> Mew?
2015-08-15 03:14 <LiruCookies> What wasn't?
2015-08-15 03:14 <AliciaRaven2> the popup not showing when clicking an object thats for sale with alpha builds of singularity
2015-08-15 03:15 <LiruCookies> It's not a viewer bug
2015-08-15 03:15 <CmdrCupcake> It is a viewer bug
2015-08-15 03:15 <AliciaRaven2> i had fixed it but CmdrCupcake submitted a patch that reverts that fix
2015-08-15 03:17 <CmdrCupcake> THe fix you made was incorrect in regards to how the selection manager works :P
2015-08-15 03:19 <AliciaRaven2> maybe but it was the only way to make singularity show the popup when clicked, i did think it was a viewer bug tho
2015-08-15 03:19 <CmdrCupcake> I triple checked the server behavior against the SL server.
2015-08-15 03:19 <CmdrCupcake> lol
2015-08-15 03:20 <AliciaRaven2> yep, Liru and i had found that sl worked fine, just not opensim
2015-08-15 03:20 <LiruCookies> It was a bug in firestorm too, as I remember it
2015-08-15 03:21 <AliciaRaven2> yes, firestorm beta seems ok with it now
2015-08-15 03:21 <LiruCookies> But the beta only
2015-08-15 03:21 <LiruCookies> Without the fix?
2015-08-15 03:21 <AliciaRaven2> yes, i tested with the beta that was released as a recomended upgrade, not current experimental builds
2015-08-15 03:22 <LiruCookies> Did you try Singu?
2015-08-15 03:22 <LiruCookies> Ugh
2015-08-15 03:22 <LiruCookies> I wonder if it's the same thing though
2015-08-15 03:22 <LiruCookies> Sec
2015-08-15 03:22 <CmdrCupcake> AliciaRaven2, you on windows?
2015-08-15 03:22 <AliciaRaven2> latest sing alpha seems to be having the problem again with the patch from CmdrCupcake
2015-08-15 03:22 <AliciaRaven2> yes
2015-08-15 03:22 <CmdrCupcake> sec
2015-08-15 03:25 <CmdrCupcake> https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=303B303076BEBD56!4434&authkey=!AGoxUBWPCWvSRM8&ithint=file%2cexe
2015-08-15 03:25 <CmdrCupcake> does it repro against that?
2015-08-15 03:26 <AliciaRaven2> checking..
2015-08-15 03:33 <diva> misterblue I was wondering if that would be a good plugin mechanism for physics too. At this point, physics and the script engine are the only plugins that aren't using mono addins
2015-08-15 03:33 <diva> mono addins do have the extra advantage of having a package management system around them
2015-08-15 03:34 <diva> it makes is somewhat simpler to install dlls from 3rd parties
2015-08-15 03:35 <misterblue> diva: I didn't think of that... the setup for physics is odd as it uses different dlls depending on the processor word size
2015-08-15 03:36 <diva> is that a conditional i the plugin manager itself?
2015-08-15 03:37 <diva> cos you can package whatever dlls you need
2015-08-15 03:38 <diva> with mono addins
2015-08-15 03:38 <diva> the only question mark I have is how mono addins handles several plugins of the same kind that may be installed
2015-08-15 03:38 <diva> I haven't looked into it yet
2015-08-15 03:39 <diva> so if there were bullet and ode dlls
2015-08-15 03:39 <misterblue> guess I could in this case... the Bullet dll is selected in the lower interface connection code
2015-08-15 03:40 <misterblue> I was thinking that there need to be more operations for modules.... like saving state when crossing region boundries
2015-08-15 03:40 <diva> region modules?
2015-08-15 03:40 <AliciaRaven2> CmdrCupcake, that viewer is fine
2015-08-15 03:41 <misterblue> when crossing between regions, modules should be called to collection their state (physics, script, ...) and then stored on the other side
2015-08-15 03:41 <misterblue> this would make something like the script engine just another module that connects to the region
2015-08-15 03:42 <diva> would physics need that too?
2015-08-15 03:42 <misterblue> at the moement, if state is needed to be saved and restored when crossing region boundries, special code has to be added
2015-08-15 03:42 <misterblue> the main state physics has is the vehicle parameters
2015-08-15 03:42 <CmdrCupcake> AliciaRaven2: We're debugging singularity right now.
2015-08-15 03:43 <AliciaRaven2> cool, thanks for checking it out
2015-08-15 03:43 <misterblue> even if that state is saved outside the physics engine (Mel's solution) that is another stateful thing that code needs to be added to save and restore
2015-08-15 03:43 <CmdrCupcake> AliciaRaven2: Any opinions on our WIP viewer? :P
2015-08-15 03:44 <AliciaRaven2> looks nice
2015-08-15 03:45 <AliciaRaven2> i will have a proper look round later tho
2015-08-15 03:45 <AliciaRaven2> large download
2015-08-15 03:45 <diva> so youre suggesting adding another pair of events handlers to the interface of region modules, like OnWayOut and OnWayIn?
2015-08-15 03:45 <diva> couldn't that be done already with the events we have?
2015-08-15 03:46 <CmdrCupcake> Yeah can't help the download size. We include the VS redist for 2015 since most users wont have it installed >.<
2015-08-15 03:47 <AliciaRaven2> i was wondering if that was it, i saw the splash for it installing
2015-08-15 03:48 <misterblue> diva: maybe so... I'm not sure when the changing events are fired
2015-08-15 03:50 <misterblue> not sure events work here... the state collector (that thing that currently calls the script engine, etc) to get state for the tp has to call the various modules to get their state
2015-08-15 03:50 <misterblue> it then has to call the modules on the other side to give them the TPed state
2015-08-15 03:51 <diva> anyway, I think the time has come for us to go strong on providing a decent 3rd party development & share mechanism for everyone of our pluginnable interfaces. Region modules are already ok as mono addins, and so are robust extensions. We can improve the ionterfaces, but at least it's possible to package, distribute them and install them from a 3rd party repo. But things like physics and 
2015-08-15 03:51 <diva> the script engine are still very difficult to distribute as 3rd party  packages
2015-08-15 03:52 <diva> I"m not even sure the script engine is a plugin, let me check
2015-08-15 03:53 <diva> oh it's a region module?
2015-08-15 03:54 <misterblue> and it probably has hooks in everywhere
2015-08-15 03:54 <diva> yeah, it's a region module, interesting
2015-08-15 03:54 <diva> so that makes it "easy" to replace
2015-08-15 03:55 <diva> and for people to make another script engine and package it and distribute it
2015-08-15 03:56 <misterblue> all the open source projects are going to having a base systeme and then a package or module fetch/version/install system (nodejs, ruby, perl, .NET, ...)
2015-08-15 03:56 <diva> yes
2015-08-15 03:58 <diva> it's the only way to accomodate the many and different priorities of the user community without overwhelming core developers
2015-08-15 03:58 <diva> mono addins are a bit clunky but do the job for .net
2015-08-15 03:59 <diva> and if needed we can do a nicer wrapper with a better UI than mautil
2015-08-15 04:00 <dahlia> I wonder if the error nebadon is seeing when trying bleeding edge mono is possibly related to addins
2015-08-15 04:00 <diva> mautil is still handcore 
2015-08-15 04:00 <diva> hardcore
2015-08-15 04:00 <misterblue> without drinking the NuGet koolaid :)
2015-08-15 04:00 <dahlia> I didn't save the pastebin, maybe nebadon can post it again
2015-08-15 04:00 <diva> yeah...
2015-08-15 04:01 <diva> I'm thinking a nice GUI like thr R package manager or even the latex package manager
2015-08-15 04:02 <misterblue> and some sort of bundling system ("a Wifi installation needs these packages, a non-networked standalone needs those packages, ...)
2015-08-15 04:03 <diva> yeah, a bit of UI sugar can go a long way...
2015-08-15 04:03 <nebadon> 1 sec
2015-08-15 04:04 <dahlia> I like aptitude (debian curses-based package manager ui) over the gui ones
2015-08-15 04:04 <dahlia> works on consoles :)
2015-08-15 04:04 <nebadon> diva dahlia > https://gist.github.com/nebadon2025/0bf1e823313990cc794a
2015-08-15 04:04 <diva> mautil is pretty much like that dahlia
2015-08-15 04:04 <dahlia> dont need a graphical display to use it
2015-08-15 04:04 <nebadon> that is with mono 4.3
2015-08-15 04:05 <diva> apt-get or yum, that's mautil
2015-08-15 04:05 <nebadon> for about 2+ months now opensimulator has stopped working with mono
2015-08-15 04:05 <nebadon> the newest mono code that is
2015-08-15 04:05 <dahlia> apt-get is command line, aptitude is consle ui
2015-08-15 04:05 <dahlia> *console
2015-08-15 04:05 <diva> neb that looks like a misconfiguration
2015-08-15 04:05 <nebadon> its not
2015-08-15 04:05 <nebadon> switching back to mono 4.0.1 it starts right up
2015-08-15 04:06 <nebadon> but yes it looks nearly identical to trying to start opensim right out of the box
2015-08-15 04:06 <nebadon> without doing any config work
2015-08-15 04:06 <nebadon> very similar messages
2015-08-15 04:11 <diva> I's have to poke in the code and that installation, neb
2015-08-15 04:11 <diva> do the dlls exist?
2015-08-15 04:12 <nebadon> yes like i said just switching to mono 4.0.1
2015-08-15 04:12 <diva> is the compilation successful?
2015-08-15 04:12 <nebadon> no recompile and it starts right up
2015-08-15 04:12 <nebadon> even when compiled with 4.3
2015-08-15 04:12 <diva> do all dlls appear?
2015-08-15 04:12 <nebadon> yep
2015-08-15 04:12 <nebadon> i can log in everything is fine
2015-08-15 04:12 <diva> is this there? OpenSim.Services.SimulationService.dll
2015-08-15 04:13 <SilverWhitefish> i couldnt get xengine to work with 4.0.1
2015-08-15 04:13 <nebadon> id have to check
2015-08-15 04:13 <nebadon> but logging in is no problem
2015-08-15 04:13 <nebadon> so i imagine all the dlls are present
2015-08-15 04:13 <diva> login in? I thought you got that exception
2015-08-15 04:13 <nebadon> no i mean if i compile it with 4.3
2015-08-15 04:13 <nebadon> then switch to mono 4.0.1 to run it
2015-08-15 04:13 <nebadon> it runs flawlessly
2015-08-15 04:13 <diva> and the other way around?
2015-08-15 04:13 <nebadon> but if i run with 4.3 it fails instantly on start
2015-08-15 04:14 <nebadon> never runs on 4.3 no matter what
2015-08-15 04:14 <diva> have you tried compiling eith 4.3 and running with older?
2015-08-15 04:14 <nebadon> yes
2015-08-15 04:14 <nebadon> runs fine
2015-08-15 04:14 <diva> i'd have to poke around ...
2015-08-15 04:14 <nebadon> its either nini is failing
2015-08-15 04:15 <nebadon> or modules not being loaded
2015-08-15 04:15 <nebadon> the fail is instant though
2015-08-15 04:15 <diva> no, the config seems correct. It's not the modules either. It's the plugin loader that's failing
2015-08-15 04:15 <diva> i'd have to go in to that funciton and litter it with Console.WriteLines
2015-08-15 04:16 <nebadon> http://download.mono-project.com/sources/mono/nightly/mono-4.3.0.723.tar.bz2
2015-08-15 04:16 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44
2015-08-15 04:16 <diva> yuk last thing I want to do today is install mono ...
2015-08-15 04:16 <nebadon> yea
2015-08-15 04:16 <nebadon> until its a release they dont make binary
2015-08-15 04:17 <diva> let me in to your server this weekend sometime and I'll poke around
2015-08-15 04:17 <nebadon> ok
2015-08-15 04:18 <nebadon> I am anxious to try some of the new mono stuff, see if performance is improving at all
2015-08-15 04:20 <SilverWhitefish> https://wrench.mono-project.com/Wrench/index.aspx?lane=mono
2015-08-15 04:22 <dahlia> I can prolly spin up a temp vm and put 4.3 on it
2015-08-15 04:22 <dahlia> would that help?
2015-08-15 04:22 <nebadon> that would be great
2015-08-15 04:22 <nebadon> see if someone else has same issue as me
2015-08-15 04:22 <nebadon> before we focus to much on my configuration
2015-08-15 04:22 <dahlia> I mean instead of diva installing mono
2015-08-15 04:22 <nebadon> that would also be great
2015-08-15 04:23 <nebadon> my server is here at my house, not a problem but ssh would be on non standard ports
2015-08-15 04:24 <dahlia> well the vm isnt an issue, I can make one and leave it up a couple days and we can all access it
2015-08-15 04:24 <nebadon> that would be great
2015-08-15 04:27 <smxy> What's the issue, nebadon? If I get time, I could build and try 4.3 this weekend.
2015-08-15 04:29 <nebadon> opensim just fails to start
2015-08-15 04:29 <nebadon> it instantly crashes when you try to run it
2015-08-15 04:29 <nebadon> https://gist.github.com/nebadon2025/0bf1e823313990cc794a
2015-08-15 04:31 <smxy> built with and run under 4.3?
2015-08-15 04:31 <smxy> but if bult with 4.3 and run under older it works?
2015-08-15 04:32 <SilverWhitefish> thats what i got with 4.3... [SimulationDataStore] and i think once that issue is fixed the same thing would happen with [EstateDataStore]. I think it traced it to a string format error
2015-08-15 04:32 <dahlia> kk vm started, doing dist-upgrade before installing stuff
2015-08-15 04:32 <nebadon> smxy yes it always faisl in 4.3 no matter what to run
2015-08-15 04:32 <nebadon> but if you compile with 4.3 4.0.1 does run it fine
2015-08-15 04:33 <SilverWhitefish> nebadon, are you able to compile lsl?
2015-08-15 04:33 <nebadon> you mean just normally?
2015-08-15 04:33 <SilverWhitefish> yes
2015-08-15 04:33 <nebadon> sure
2015-08-15 04:33 <SilverWhitefish> under 4.0.1
2015-08-15 04:33 <nebadon> yes no problem
2015-08-15 04:34 <SilverWhitefish> i must have missed something
2015-08-15 04:43 <dahlia> diva check pm
2015-08-15 04:55 <nebadon> dahlia have you had any time to evaluate Windows 10 yet?
2015-08-15 04:58 <dahlia> I got it installed on my old laptop but havent really tested much
2015-08-15 04:59 <dahlia> I see 3d apps look zoomed in
2015-08-15 04:59 <dahlia> need to correct that
2015-08-15 04:59 <nebadon> ya maybe a driver issue
2015-08-15 04:59 <dahlia> maybe
2015-08-15 04:59 <dahlia> I kinda remember windows 8 doing something like that when I told it to make fonts bigger
2015-08-15 05:04 <CmdrCupcake> gah debugging that hover bug in singu is fun lol there's so much legacy code scattered about
2015-08-15 05:06 <nebadon> dahlia mono 4.3 installed
2015-08-15 05:06 <dahlia> cool
2015-08-15 05:06 <dahlia> ty
2015-08-15 05:06 <nebadon> np
2015-08-15 05:07 <CmdrCupcake> Curiously why are you testing against 4.3 :O
2015-08-15 05:08 <nebadon> I just like to know whats happening with the latest mono code and how our code responds to it
2015-08-15 05:08 <CmdrCupcake> ahhh
2015-08-15 05:08 <nebadon> mono is developing at a very fast pace
2015-08-15 05:08 <CmdrCupcake> what about the 4.2 code
2015-08-15 05:08 <CmdrCupcake> :P
2015-08-15 05:08 <CmdrCupcake> I know how mono is developing. More interested in CoreCLR at this point
2015-08-15 05:09 <CmdrCupcake> their JIT and GC makes mono look like a slug.
2015-08-15 05:09 <CmdrCupcake> lol
2015-08-15 05:09 <nebadon> ya probably going to be a long while before something as complex as opensim runs on it
2015-08-15 05:09 <dahlia> we like to make sure things keep working
2015-08-15 05:09 <nebadon> by then the playing field will have leveled considerably no doubt
2015-08-15 05:09 <nebadon> since microsoft is sharing alot of that code
2015-08-15 05:09 <CmdrCupcake> how's it act against the 4.2 codebase :P
2015-08-15 05:10 <dahlia> I use 3.99 on my grid
2015-08-15 05:10 <nebadon> that was all dev its hard to determine what is 4.2 easily
2015-08-15 05:10 <nebadon> as it wasnt a release
2015-08-15 05:10 <nebadon> that last release is 4.0.2 still
2015-08-15 05:10 <CmdrCupcake> its easy.
2015-08-15 05:10 <CmdrCupcake> https://github.com/mono/mono/commits/mono-4.2.0-pre2-branch
2015-08-15 05:10 <CmdrCupcake> they use branches!
2015-08-15 05:13 <nebadon> yea, could try it, I only noticed it the last few months, not really sure what the version was when i first noticed it
2015-08-15 05:14 <CmdrCupcake> might be a side affect of them mass dumping their own .net framework code in favor of microsofts
2015-08-15 05:15 <CmdrCupcake> I was testing the new .Net 4.6 JIT
2015-08-15 05:15 <CmdrCupcake> its speedy.
2015-08-15 05:15 <dahlia> I tried to run the vm on linux, *failed*
2015-08-15 05:15 <nebadon> ya it could be a temporary break, but im not sure
2015-08-15 05:16 <dahlia> but that was a few months ago
2015-08-15 05:16 <nebadon> i actually got opensim to run in it
2015-08-15 05:16 <dahlia> on the vm?
2015-08-15 05:16 <nebadon> but it couldnt load anything
2015-08-15 05:16 <nebadon> on microsoft core clr on linux
2015-08-15 05:16 <dahlia> I got it to build but not run
2015-08-15 05:16 <nebadon> you actually get simulator prompt when you run it
2015-08-15 05:16 <nebadon> but of course nothing actually loads
2015-08-15 05:17 <nebadon> but it spits out no errors either
2015-08-15 05:18 <CmdrCupcake> nebadon: Oh curiously why don't you advertise the GridURL in opensimextras on osgrid?
2015-08-15 05:21 <nebadon> not sure honestly
2015-08-15 05:21 <nebadon> no ones ever mentioned it wasnt heh
2015-08-15 05:21 <CmdrCupcake> You should look into that. Viewers like having it for hypergridy things :P
2015-08-15 05:22 <nebadon> maybe never noticed cause most viewers have osgrid hard coded
2015-08-15 05:22 <nebadon> cant even recall last time i manually added it to a viewer
2015-08-15 05:23 <dahlia> [ERROR] FATAL UNHANDLED EXCEPTION: System.Exception: Could not load an ISimulationDataService implementation from OpenSim.Services.SimulationService.dll:SimulationDataService, as configured in the LocalServiceModule parameter of the [SimulationDataStore] config section.
2015-08-15 05:23 <dahlia> :/
2015-08-15 05:23 <nebadon> yep
2015-08-15 05:23 <nebadon> ok well we have double confirmation now :)
2015-08-15 05:23 <nebadon> thats a start
2015-08-15 05:23 <dahlia> same error?
2015-08-15 05:24 <nebadon> yes
2015-08-15 05:24 <dahlia> k
2015-08-15 05:24 <dahlia> I guess diva poofed, I'll leave the vm up for a day or 2
2015-08-15 05:24 <nebadon> ok thanks
2015-08-15 05:24 <nebadon> she will be around in the morning I am sure
2015-08-15 05:25 <dahlia> if she pops in and I'm not around, give her the login stuff
2015-08-15 05:25 <dahlia> opensim in screen 3
2015-08-15 05:25 <dahlia> screen 2
2015-08-15 05:26 <nebadon> ok cool
2015-08-15 05:26 <dahlia> check config, maybe I messed up?
2015-08-15 05:26 <CmdrCupcake> nebadon: It's useful for hypergrid visitors so the viewer can nicely setup some things to properly handle being on not-homegrid 
2015-08-15 05:26 <nebadon> ok i will try to take a look soon
2015-08-15 05:27 <dahlia> all I did was copy StandaloneCommon.ini.example to StandaloneCommon.ini and set the hostname and port and architecture in OpenSim.ini
2015-08-15 05:27 <dahlia> which is usually enough
2015-08-15 05:27 <nebadon> yea
2015-08-15 05:27 <nebadon> this is the same exact error I get pretty much
2015-08-15 05:48 <dahlia> nebadon: could you reduce the size of your terminal window for that vm? its messing up screen and I cant show everything with my larger fonts even in full screen
2015-08-15 05:48 <nebadon> oh yea
2015-08-15 05:49 <nebadon> better?
2015-08-15 05:49 <dahlia> nopw
2015-08-15 05:50 <dahlia> screen is just very intolerant of different sized windows
2015-08-15 05:50 <dahlia> 80x24?
2015-08-15 05:51 <nebadon> yea I think so
2015-08-15 05:51 <nebadon> its the default size
2015-08-15 05:51 <nebadon> im connected with putty
2015-08-15 05:51 <dahlia> me too
2015-08-15 05:51 <dahlia> cutting off everything on the right
2015-08-15 05:58 <nebadon> should i disconnect maybe?
2015-08-15 05:59 <nebadon> i disconnected for now
2015-08-15 05:59 <dahlia> no I just restarted all teh screens
2015-08-15 12:34 <smxy> dahlia: I abandoned screen for tmux.
2015-08-15 14:29 <smxy> I know that many LSL functiions have a delay (2 seconds?). Does moving to a different state also have a delay?
2015-08-15 16:03 <LiruCookies> smxy: Usually it takes several days to move completely to a different state, if you count planning... but then you have to get the guys to move the furniture, and change your plates and set up forwarding for your mail
2015-08-15 16:03 <LiruCookies> smxy: And you're never really done, you'll always have a few things still in boxes...
2015-08-15 16:13 <smxy> LiruCookies: :P
2015-08-15 16:16 <smxy> misterblue: As you may recall, one of my tests involves teleporting an NPC around a sim in a continuous, never-ending, loop. The original version of that script works in both ODE and BS. I made a different version of it today, which I've discovered works in ODE, but not BS.
2015-08-15 16:17 <misterblue> how does it 'not work'?
2015-08-15 16:17 <Plugh> smxy: Did your second round of TPing turn up anything?
2015-08-15 16:17 <misterblue> TPing around a single region was the problem my last patches were fixing
2015-08-15 16:18 <smxy> Let me describe the test. I put a flat prim in each corner of the sim, then drop an NPC on the first one, which immediately TPs it to the next one, etc..
2015-08-15 16:19 <smxy> It takes about 2 second to hit all four.
2015-08-15 16:19 <smxy> However, there is a 5 second delay built into osTeleportAgent.
2015-08-15 16:21 <smxy> So, I set up three more "inner loops", such that it takes longer than 5 seconds from the time it hits one until it hits it again, which means that it does 16 TPs before starting back at the first one.
2015-08-15 16:21 <smxy> With me so far?
2015-08-15 16:22 <smxy> Hmm. Guess not.
2015-08-15 16:22 <misterblue> I get the geometry but you say that osTeleportAgent has a 5 sec delay? So there are multiple NPCs?
2015-08-15 16:22 <smxy> No, just 1 NPC.
2015-08-15 16:23 <smxy> But once a prims TPs it, that prim cannot TP it again until after 5 seconds have passed.
2015-08-15 16:23 <Plugh> Right. I thought I remembered smxy was going to run a second test with some other error logging turned on.
2015-08-15 16:23 <smxy> So I just set up a long series of TPs so it didn't make it back to the beginning before 5 seconds were up.
2015-08-15 16:24 <misterblue> ugh... yes... the code has a ScriptSleep(5000) after doing the FireAndForget on the RequestTeleportLocation()
2015-08-15 16:24 <smxy> That's the test, and it works great with the original script. The NPC goes around and around forever. Over a million times in one test.
2015-08-15 16:24 <misterblue> ScriptSleeps also tie up processor threads, but that's another story
2015-08-15 16:25 <smxy> And that original script works in both ODE and BS.
2015-08-15 16:25 <smxy> Let me pastebin that script.
2015-08-15 16:26 <misterblue> are you doing this on your own test grid?
2015-08-15 16:27 <smxy> All 16 prims have a script like this, with only the coords different: http://pastebin.com/WjYgSbaQ
2015-08-15 16:27 <smxy> Yes, on my own grid.
2015-08-15 16:27 <smxy> It's about as minimal as you can get, as you can see.
2015-08-15 16:27 <misterblue> indeed
2015-08-15 16:28 <smxy> Now, I have had issues with queued events in my other teleporters, so I did a little research and learned that all queued events are thrown away on a state change.
2015-08-15 16:28 <smxy> So I modified my script accordingly. This new script works perfectly on ODE. Let me pastebing it.
2015-08-15 16:29 <smxy> http://pastebin.com/2h2uetXj
2015-08-15 16:29 <smxy> Still very minimal.
2015-08-15 16:30 <smxy> All it does is insure that when I come back to the default state, there are now queued up collisions left over from when the NPC last landed on the prim.
2015-08-15 16:31 <smxy> now=no
2015-08-15 16:31 <smxy> I changed the start prim, of the 16, to use that script. Everything works in ODE.
2015-08-15 16:33 <smxy> In BS, if I drop an NPC on it, it will send it off to do a complete circuit of the 16, but when it gets back to this prim, it doesn't get the collision event, so it doesn't TP anymore. If I remove the NPC, and drop it on it again, it will again make one full circuit, then stop when it returns to this prim again.
2015-08-15 16:33 <smxy> :)
2015-08-15 16:34 <smxy> I know the script doesn't get the collision event, because I had a version of it that did an llOwnerSay when it entered either state or collision_start.
2015-08-15 16:35 <smxy> When it gets back to this prim, it says it enterd the default state, but doesn't say it gets into collision_start.
2015-08-15 16:35 <Plugh> smxy: You could add a state_entry in default to verify if it does return to the default state after the TP.
2015-08-15 16:35 <Plugh> bbl. lunch is ready.
2015-08-15 16:35 <smxy> Plugh: see my last statement. :)
2015-08-15 16:37 <smxy> Maybe it's incorrect to say the prim/script doesn't get the collision_start event. Maybe it's more correct to say that the script never registers it, for whatever reason.
2015-08-15 16:37 <smxy> Thus it doesn't proceed to state two and TP again.
2015-08-15 16:38 <smxy> This is a 256x256 region, if that matters.
2015-08-15 16:39 <smxy> Has to be or I couldn't test with ODE>
2015-08-15 16:40 <smxy> misterblue: With my description, and those two scripts, you should be able to recreate the test in your grid.
2015-08-15 16:41 <smxy> BRB - getting coffee.
2015-08-15 16:41 <misterblue> 
ACTION is thinking about TPs and collisions

2015-08-15 16:43 <smxy> Back.
2015-08-15 16:46 <osmantis> Bug #7684:04 Dialog box reports Unknown User as owner if owner is an HG user 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7684 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-15 16:46 <smxy> misterblue: One thing to remember, is that, when TPing in-region, the script does get a collision_end event. When TPing out of a region, the sending script never sees a collision_end event. This appears to be true regardless of ODE or BS and I have no idea if it is related to this problem or not.
2015-08-15 16:48 <misterblue> the computation of begin/end events is tricky... there is a lot of logic for that... and this seems to be about the bounding conditions (what happens when starting or stopping an object)
2015-08-15 16:49 <smxy> I just switched back to BS and sure enough, the NPC made one circuit, then stopped on the first prim.
2015-08-15 16:50 <smxy> In case there's a difference between an NPC and my avatar, let me try it.
2015-08-15 16:51 <smxy> Okay, there's a slight difference. I went around 3 or 4 times, before I stopped.
2015-08-15 16:52 <misterblue> 
ACTION cringes over the thought of race conditions... a real avatar has more state so it will take a little longer in some places

2015-08-15 16:52 <smxy> No, I erred. :)
2015-08-15 16:53 <smxy> my 4 times was just one full circuit.
2015-08-15 16:53 <smxy> Then I stopped. Same as the NPC.
2015-08-15 16:55 <smxy> I note, however, that just like removing the NPC and dropping it on it again, makes it go another circuit and stop, I can jump once after I stop, and go another circuit again. So that behaviour is the same too.
2015-08-15 16:55 <osmantis> Bug #7684:04 Dialog box reports Unknown User as owner if owner is an HG user 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7684 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-15 16:59 <smxy> 
ACTION feels great, having finally come up with a reproducable collision issue for misterblue to fix. :)

2015-08-15 16:59 <misterblue> smxy, could you create an OAR of your test region? An empty 256 region with just the TP circuit course?
2015-08-15 17:00 <smxy> I have other stuff in that region, so let me set up anotherone that just has that, and make an OAR of it.
2015-08-15 17:01 <smxy> I have an easier way. I'll just delete the extra stuff, make an OAR, the reload the region from last night's backup. :)
2015-08-15 17:01 <smxy> Much quicker.
2015-08-15 17:06 <nebadon> diva ping
2015-08-15 17:11 <smxy> misterblue: clicking the flat prim near the center of the region creates the NPC and drops it on the starting prim. Clicking the white ball removes the NPC. Here's the OAR: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16941610/s25_20150815_130700.oar
2015-08-15 17:13 <smxy> The starting prim conatins both versions of the script, with the version that works in both ODE and BS commented out.
2015-08-15 17:13 <smxy> contains
2015-08-15 17:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #4281 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-15 17:20 <gamucf> Is there any documentation that explains how ScenePresence works?  I'm trying to get a feel of how an avatar position update works.
2015-08-15 17:22 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-15 17:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4281: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4281/
2015-08-15 17:25 <osjenkins> melanie: Adding the IAgentStatefulModule interface. It is used in addtion to
2015-08-15 17:31 <misterblue> no specific documentation that I knwo of gamucf... avatar position updates are done differently than object position updates
2015-08-15 17:32 <smxy> misterblue: Did you load the OAR? Can you repro my results?
2015-08-15 17:34 <misterblue> I've got a few things going on at once here.. I'll get to it shortly, smxy
2015-08-15 17:34 <smxy> Sure. Just curious, after all this testing if I truly gave you something you can repro. :)
2015-08-15 17:35 <misterblue> gamucf: scene presence position updates are sent in the heartbeat... checkout in Update(int) in Scene.cs where there is a call to m_sceneGraph.UpdateScenePresenceMovement().
2015-08-15 17:38 <misterblue> that applies the walk/fly forces... then physics moves the avatar and that updates the position... then m_sceneGraph.UpdatePresenses() sends out the updates
2015-08-15 17:40 <gamucf> misterblue: okay, thanks.  We have some basics going but getting some jitter (as if different components are updating differently).  Just digging into it now.
2015-08-15 18:04 <osmantis> Bug #7685:04 Check on use of Local* module variant in config-include/GridHypergrid.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7685 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-15 18:12 <smxy> Is anyone get email from mantis? I seem to have stopped getting it.
2015-08-15 18:21 <nebadon> I got an email from mantis on the 13th
2015-08-15 18:22 <smxy> I haven't since the 9th.
2015-08-15 18:22 <nebadon> i get emailed every time someone makes a new account
2015-08-15 18:22 <nebadon> on the 12th I got a email about a ticket being updated
2015-08-15 18:23 <nebadon> few on the 11th as well
2015-08-15 18:23 <misterblue> I get the emails to... usually 'account registration'
2015-08-15 18:23 <nebadon> as far as I can tell its still working
2015-08-15 18:23 <Melanie_T> last new account was on the 13th for me
2015-08-15 18:23 <Melanie_T> last bug-related email was on the 12th
2015-08-15 18:23 <nebadon> yes anyone who is a manager will get account registration emails I beleive
2015-08-15 18:23 <smxy> Did you get one when I updated a ticket earlier today? Or for the ticket just submitted 20 minutes or so ago?
2015-08-15 18:23 <nebadon> we dont get emails about new tickets
2015-08-15 18:23 <nebadon> that would be overwhelming
2015-08-15 18:24 <smxy> I updated 7132 earlier today.
2015-08-15 18:24 <nebadon> you wont get emails from tickets you update
2015-08-15 18:24 <smxy> But did you?
2015-08-15 18:24 <nebadon> and only way you get email about a ticket is you A) Commented B) Subscribed
2015-08-15 18:24 <Melanie_T> if a person is not related to the ticket they get no email
2015-08-15 18:24 <nebadon> or C) its associated to another ticket you are following
2015-08-15 18:24 <smxy> hmm, okay
2015-08-15 18:31 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-15 18:36 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-15 21:17 <diva> ping nebadon
2015-08-15 21:18 <nebadon> hey did you see dahlias message
2015-08-15 21:18 <nebadon> we have a clean VM setup for you with mono 4.3
2015-08-15 21:18 <diva> Yeah, so I should just login there?
2015-08-15 21:18 <nebadon> failure was observed on it
2015-08-15 21:18 <nebadon> yea whenever you have some time
2015-08-15 21:19 <nebadon> i just wanted to make sure you were aware
2015-08-15 21:19 <diva> lol for the password :D
2015-08-15 21:19 <nebadon> haha
2015-08-15 21:20 <CmdrCupcake> 
ACTION is toying with the idea of porting the viewer to html5 :P

2015-08-15 21:20 <CmdrCupcake> well asm.js/webgl/various native lib shims
2015-08-15 21:20 <diva> CmdrCupcake  I'd send you lots of cupcakes if you do
2015-08-15 21:21 <CmdrCupcake> It'd require a reimplementation of the udp protocol onto web sockets tho
2015-08-15 21:21 <CmdrCupcake> lol
2015-08-15 21:21 <nebadon> dahlia did that
2015-08-15 21:21 <diva> neb so where shuld I go in that serevr? I only see the mono install
2015-08-15 21:21 <nebadon> hmm good question dahlia setup the sim
2015-08-15 21:21 <nebadon> dahlia you here?
2015-08-15 21:22 <nebadon> let me log in again
2015-08-15 21:22 <nebadon> connect to screen diva
2015-08-15 21:22 <diva> I did
2015-08-15 21:22 <nebadon> ok none of the tabs show it?
2015-08-15 21:22 <diva> oh screen 2?
2015-08-15 21:22 <nebadon> maybe its not configured how we are used to seeing it
2015-08-15 21:22 <misterblue> both dahlia and I have done that (dahlia did more attempts than I)... our first learnings were that OS prims don't map into simple WebGL draws
2015-08-15 21:22 <diva> I found it
2015-08-15 21:22 <nebadon> do ctrl+alt+"
2015-08-15 21:23 <nebadon> kk cool
2015-08-15 21:23 <misterblue> frame rate is very slow unless you do a boat load of optimizations
2015-08-15 21:23 <nebadon> yes its quite terrible
2015-08-15 21:23 <nebadon> well maybe terrible is to harsh
2015-08-15 21:23 <CmdrCupcake> misterblue: I'm going to cheat and literally build the viewer for js :P
2015-08-15 21:23 <nebadon> I only mean when compared to the full viewer
2015-08-15 21:23 <misterblue> maybe more recent versions of WebGL allow for batch draws
2015-08-15 21:23 <nebadon> the experience is pretty far from what people are used to
2015-08-15 21:24 <CmdrCupcake> and yeah you can do some evil to webgl if you know how, i've messed with doing other 3d-intensive things using c++ to js translation
2015-08-15 21:24 <nebadon> what dahlia did was pretty impressive considering the limits of webgl
2015-08-15 21:24 <CmdrCupcake> WebGL2 is where it starts to get interesting
2015-08-15 21:24 <nebadon> there are just too many layers to WebGL
2015-08-15 21:24 <CmdrCupcake> oh and targeting chrome webgl is slow.
2015-08-15 21:24 <CmdrCupcake> firefox has the only sane implementation.
2015-08-15 21:24 <nebadon> the web browser themselves, javascripts
2015-08-15 21:25 <CmdrCupcake> ehhh
2015-08-15 21:25 <CmdrCupcake> dont try to hand write a javascript viewer
2015-08-15 21:25 <CmdrCupcake> write it in c++, compile it down to asm.js
2015-08-15 21:25 <nebadon> I think dahlia tried that too
2015-08-15 21:25 <nebadon> its still uber slow
2015-08-15 21:25 <CmdrCupcake> it'll be alot faster just because machine generated js, oh and avoid chrome because they dont have a sane webgl implementation
2015-08-15 21:25 <Plugh> Um... what is this -> 14:25:22 - [UTIL] : Util STP threadfunc 22497 terminated with error 
2015-08-15 21:26 <CmdrCupcake> it does WebGL->DirectX magic under the hood
2015-08-15 21:26 <nebadon> id love to see a nice webgl viewer
2015-08-15 21:27 <nebadon> but i dont think webgl is capable yet
2015-08-15 21:27 <nebadon> and if you do manage to make a viewer that works ok its not going to run on everyones machine
2015-08-15 21:27 <nebadon> very likely wont work for most people
2015-08-15 21:27 <nebadon> if you have to get everyone to install firefox
2015-08-15 21:28 <nebadon> why not just get them to install a proper viewer
2015-08-15 21:28 <nebadon> and get 10 times the performance
2015-08-15 21:28 <nebadon> heh
2015-08-15 21:28 <CmdrCupcake> It's mostly just to actually view the world, not create content or things like that :P
2015-08-15 21:28 <nebadon> I guess it depends too on if you want to display existing content
2015-08-15 21:29 <nebadon> if you dont care about all of the pre-existing content available
2015-08-15 21:29 <nebadon> then maybe webgl can be done
2015-08-15 21:29 <nebadon> with very carefully crafted content
2015-08-15 21:29 <nebadon> ie not prims
2015-08-15 21:29 <nebadon> or very limited amounts of prims
2015-08-15 21:29 <nebadon> at best
2015-08-15 21:30 <w-t-h_> turn the avatar into a sprite sheet should solve lots of issue on web clients, my $0.02
2015-08-15 21:31 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-15 21:31 <nebadon> parallax scroller based simulators
2015-08-15 21:32 <w-t-h_> sprites have come along way hehe
2015-08-15 21:36 <w-t-h_> its all about t&a mostly anyways
2015-08-15 21:36 <w-t-h_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O27fsGdpP-Y
2015-08-15 21:39 <nebadon> brb have to reboot
2015-08-15 21:54 <diva> nebadon dahlia this smelss like a bug in mono
2015-08-15 21:55 <diva> we can work around it, maybe
2015-08-15 21:55 <diva> also dahlia, did you set uyp a storage for that interface?
2015-08-15 21:55 <diva> on that vm?
2015-08-15 21:55 <diva>  was able to pass the crash but then I crashed again "Could not find a storage interface"
2015-08-15 21:56 <diva> is that supposed to be using sqlite?
2015-08-15 21:56 <nebadon> I think it should default to sqlite
2015-08-15 21:56 <nebadon> i recall dahlia saying that
2015-08-15 21:58 <nebadon> <dahlia> all I did was copy StandaloneCommon.ini.example to StandaloneCommon.ini and set the hostname and port and architecture in OpenSim.ini
2015-08-15 21:58 <nebadon> <dahlia> which is usually enough
2015-08-15 21:58 <nebadon> quote from after you left last night diva
2015-08-15 21:58 <diva> ok
2015-08-15 21:59 <nebadon> and if we can confirm its a mono bug
2015-08-15 21:59 <nebadon> then we can possibly move forward with filing a bug report
2015-08-15 21:59 <nebadon> we shouldnt have to work around it
2015-08-15 22:02 <dahlia> diva: I think that vm has a 40gb ssd but I'm not planning on keeping it more than a couple days at which point it will be wiped
2015-08-15 22:02 <diva> yeah, fine, I'm literring it
2015-08-15 22:02 <dahlia> so if you want anything on it you'll have to scp or rsync or whatever
2015-08-15 22:02 <dahlia> litter away :)
2015-08-15 22:02 <diva> yep I found the problem
2015-08-15 22:03 <dahlia> cool ;) I was looking but got sidetracked
2015-08-15 22:05 <diva> if you know where the source code of mono is for this particular version, I can peak
2015-08-15 22:05 <dahlia> CmdrCupcake: I found javascript to be faster than compiling c++ to asm.js, YMMV
2015-08-15 22:06 <CmdrCupcake> dahlia: Which browsers runtime?
2015-08-15 22:06 <dahlia> but the big gains I've found are in efficient bactching, GL state caching, and efficient frustum culling
2015-08-15 22:07 <dahlia> CmdrCupcake: all of them
2015-08-15 22:07 <CmdrCupcake> and yeah thats generally always a big gain :P
2015-08-15 22:07 <dahlia> its a lot more how you interact with webgl and a lot less on which language you use
2015-08-15 22:08 <diva> ...or not
2015-08-15 22:08 <CmdrCupcake> diva: mono 4.3 snapshots are git master
2015-08-15 22:15 <diva> I can't find the damn class...
2015-08-15 22:16 <diva> I'm looking for the sources of System.Type
2015-08-15 22:20 <dahlia> diva: the mono sources are under ~root/ somewhere
2015-08-15 22:21 <diva> got ot thanks
2015-08-15 22:43 <gamucf> Just curious....are falling avatars handled specially in some way?  On the PhysX stuff, we are adjusting our density values but not seeing any changes (could be use still, though).
2015-08-15 22:58 <diva> misterblue ^^^
2015-08-15 22:59 <diva> ok, so dahlia and nebadon and Melanie_T here's what's going on with mono 4.3.
2015-08-15 22:59 <diva> Type.GetInterface(name, ignoreCase) is failing when ignorecase is true
2015-08-15 23:00 <diva> I don't know why
2015-08-15 23:00 <diva> I looked at the mono source but it seems ok. I would need to try out a few little things in order to file a bug report to them
2015-08-15 23:00 <diva> but I don't have time right now
2015-08-15 23:00 <diva> if someone does, that's the spot to scratch
2015-08-15 23:01 <Melanie_T> why do we need ignoreCase?
2015-08-15 23:01 <diva> that's what we aree using...
2015-08-15 23:01 <Melanie_T> or are we just setting in case?
2015-08-15 23:01 <diva> I don't know, that's what we have
2015-08-15 23:01 <Melanie_T> i beieve all demos/samples are cased properly
2015-08-15 23:01 <diva> Type typeInterface = pluginType.GetInterface(interfaceName, true);
2015-08-15 23:01 <Melanie_T> maybe we can just require proper casing in .ini files and remove it?
2015-08-15 23:01 <diva> in ServerUtils and ServiceBase
2015-08-15 23:01 <diva> yeah that's the work around
2015-08-15 23:02 <diva> I removed the true and it all worked
2015-08-15 23:02 <Melanie_T> looks to me tat allowing case errors is not a good idea anyway
2015-08-15 23:02 <diva> but it's a bit unsettling that it fails with true
2015-08-15 23:02 <Melanie_T> well, thaat's bugs for you
2015-08-15 23:02 <diva> agree
2015-08-15 23:02 <diva> want me to change it?
2015-08-15 23:03 <Melanie_T> yes, please do
2015-08-15 23:03 <diva> ok
2015-08-15 23:03 <Melanie_T> i'd have to look for the spot and you already have it
2015-08-15 23:05 <misterblue> gamucf: falling avatars are not handled specially... each object has its density and gravity effect set at creation time so changing global paramters later will not effect existing avatars/objects
2015-08-15 23:07 <nebadon> thanks for looking at this diva
2015-08-15 23:07 <misterblue> pong, diva
2015-08-15 23:07 <gamucf> misterblue: Thanks!
2015-08-15 23:08 <diva> hi misterblue I was just pinging you to see if you could answer gamucf's question
2015-08-15 23:08 <misterblue> k :)
2015-08-15 23:09 <gamucf> misterblue: Our avatars seem to float down regardless of density we set (they float the same way).  We'll look at it more.
2015-08-15 23:09 <diva> dahlia neb try now to make sure
2015-08-15 23:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #4282 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-15 23:11 <misterblue> falling rate should just be gravity... no air resistance so it should be the same rate for everything
2015-08-15 23:13 <gamucf> misterblue: ah, that makes sense.
2015-08-15 23:14 <misterblue> there is something wrong with storing things after a load oar... I loaded an oar and shut down the region and now it can't find any of the scripts
2015-08-15 23:15 <diva> aren't we supposed to wait like 15 secs or so, for the DB storage to kick in?
2015-08-15 23:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4282: SUCCESS in 5 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4282/
2015-08-15 23:15 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Removed ignoreCase=true from the call to Type.GetInterface, because, well, we don't want to ignore case. And this seems to be causing problems in mono 4.3.
2015-08-15 23:26 <dahlia> diva: will try. I'll just do a pull on that same machine
2015-08-15 23:26 <dahlia> would that overwrite anything you care about?
2015-08-15 23:26 <diva> no go ahead
2015-08-15 23:26 <diva> I littered a couple of files, they shouold just be overwritten now
2015-08-15 23:27 <dahlia> kk I will reset --hard :)
2015-08-15 23:30 <dahlia> seems to work :)
2015-08-15 23:30 <diva> cool
2015-08-15 23:30 <diva> but that's one of those really unsettling bugs that sometimes pop up in mono...
2015-08-15 23:30 <diva> little things tat have a huge impact
2015-08-15 23:30 <dahlia> 
ACTION gives diva a giant virtual extra rich chocolate ice cream cone with caramel and nuts and whipped cream and a cherry on top

2015-08-15 23:30 <dahlia> good catch :)
2015-08-15 23:30 <diva> yum!
2015-08-15 23:33 <dahlia> kk I'll leave the vm up for a few hours just in case but if you want anything from it get it now
2015-08-15 23:37 <CmdrCupcake> AliciaRaven2: We figured out the buy thing in singu
2015-08-15 23:38 <Melanie_T> buy thing?
2015-08-15 23:42 <misterblue> smxy: looks like the way collisions are done in ODE, when the avatar is TPed out, the prim it is standing on still gets a collision end event even though the avatar might not be there
2015-08-15 23:43 <misterblue> so it is related to the collision_end thing you were seeing
2015-08-15 23:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #4283 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-15 23:46 <Melanie_T> misterblue: it's beginning to take shape :)
2015-08-15 23:49 <CmdrCupcake> Melanie_T: The buy popup being oddly broken lol
2015-08-15 23:49 <CmdrCupcake> it was never a simulator bug
2015-08-15 23:49 <dahlia> What's this IAgentStateful stuff?
2015-08-15 23:49 <CmdrCupcake> the viewers internal mouse hover tracking was getting all screwy
2015-08-15 23:49 <Melanie_T> dahlia: a standardized way for region modules to manage and transfer state data related to agents whent hey t or cross
2015-08-15 23:49 <Melanie_T> tp*
2015-08-15 23:50 <dahlia> oh interesting
2015-08-15 23:50 <diva> oh
2015-08-15 23:50 <Melanie_T> the module can provide and accet such state data and the framework will put it into the fatpack and extract it
2015-08-15 23:50 <diva> we were just talking about that yesterday
2015-08-15 23:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4283: SUCCESS in 4 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4283/
2015-08-15 23:50 <diva> man, you're fast
2015-08-15 23:50 <osjenkins> melanie: Create want and need lists for agent data interchange formats.
2015-08-15 23:50 <Melanie_T> that discussion prompted me to look into it
2015-08-15 23:50 <dahlia> I have a very ugly hackish way to make NPCs tp and cross but it's very ugly and hackish and should just die
2015-08-15 23:51 <Melanie_T> and it seems like what opensim needs now
2015-08-15 23:51 <diva> awe.some
2015-08-15 23:51 <Melanie_T> well, the npc module could probably use this
2015-08-15 23:51 <Melanie_T> diva: here is the idea
2015-08-15 23:51 <misterblue> and the plan is to add vehicles :-O
2015-08-15 23:51 <Melanie_T> on QueryAccess, the origin sim sends along the provides list
2015-08-15 23:52 <Melanie_T> the destination sim distilles that using it's wanted list to a list that the other sim can satisfy
2015-08-15 23:52 <Melanie_T> that list is added to the QueryAccess response
2015-08-15 23:52 <diva> list of what?
2015-08-15 23:52 <Melanie_T> UUID of defined protocols
2015-08-15 23:52 <Melanie_T> we will maintain a UUID to grammar repository
2015-08-15 23:52 <Melanie_T> let me finish and i'll elaborate
2015-08-15 23:52 <diva> k
2015-08-15 23:53 <Melanie_T> so, when the fatpack is created, the modules are iterated and asked to provide the compatible formats
2015-08-15 23:53 <Melanie_T> and they're added to the fatpack
2015-08-15 23:53 <Melanie_T> and routed to the modules on the other end
2015-08-15 23:53 <Melanie_T> states are saved just after MakeChild
2015-08-15 23:54 <Melanie_T> and restored just before MakeRoot
2015-08-15 23:54 <dahlia> script state?
2015-08-15 23:54 <Melanie_T> we will have a repository of "well known" UUIDS
2015-08-15 23:54 <Melanie_T> basically, we run uuidgen
2015-08-15 23:54 <Melanie_T> and associate that UUID with a "grammar"
2015-08-15 23:54 <Melanie_T> that can be a javascript scheme or an XML scheme
2015-08-15 23:55 <Melanie_T> with the contract that no member can be renamed, repurposed or deleted
2015-08-15 23:55 <Melanie_T> only added
2015-08-15 23:55 <Melanie_T> without requiring a new uuid (effectively a version)
2015-08-15 23:55 <Melanie_T> script states can also be put into this scheme
2015-08-15 23:55 <Melanie_T> so the special handling of them will no longer be required
2015-08-15 23:56 <Melanie_T> in fact, I intend to substitute this code for the scrit state code
2015-08-15 23:56 <Melanie_T> since that is already in all the right places :)
2015-08-15 23:56 <misterblue> anything that wants to transfer state on a TP would use one of these grammers serialize and deserialize the state at each end of the TP.... could be script state, vehicle state, avatar state, ...
2015-08-15 23:56 <dahlia> so in general any object state that needs to be transferee?
2015-08-15 23:56 <dahlia> k
2015-08-15 23:56 <Melanie_T> it may not be related to an object, dahlia 
2015-08-15 23:56 <Melanie_T> it could be a module providing life, stamina, food and gold :)
2015-08-15 23:57 <Melanie_T> meaning, just abstract avatar related data
2015-08-15 23:57 <dahlia> mmmm food and gold.... 
2015-08-15 23:57 <Melanie_T> dahlia loves food and gold lol
2015-08-15 23:57 <diva> I'm going to have to read what you just wrote, like, 5 times before I understand, but it sounds awesome
2015-08-15 23:57 <Melanie_T> an offshoot idea is to provide that data to viewers
2015-08-15 23:57 <Melanie_T> for health bars, etc
2015-08-15 23:57 <Melanie_T> moving onwards and away from funky SL hovertext
2015-08-15 23:58 <Melanie_T> i think the time is ripe for viewer plugins
2015-08-15 23:58 <nebadon> http://www.yurtopic.com/science/nature/images/gold-dessert.jpg :P
2015-08-15 23:58 <dahlia> I'm kinda getting a clue I think but not sure I understand the persistent UUID stuff yet
2015-08-15 23:58 <Melanie_T> dahlia: that is needed because one module may consume another module's data
2015-08-15 23:58 <Melanie_T> in addition to the intended module
2015-08-15 23:58 <Melanie_T> so that data needs to be well-defined
2015-08-15 23:59 <Melanie_T> i've chosen to use UUID for the tag rather than names
2015-08-15 23:59 <dahlia> 
ACTION would probably consider a string hash but whatever...

2015-08-16 00:00 <Melanie_T> people don't have to read it
2015-08-16 00:00 <dahlia> k
2015-08-16 00:00 <Melanie_T> so it doesn't need to be human readable
2015-08-16 00:02 <dahlia> so the point of all this is to streamline tps and crossings?
2015-08-16 00:02 <dahlia> are there other intended uses?
2015-08-16 00:03 <nebadon> nice, thanks again diva, just got Sisyphus updated on master git with mono 4.3 starting up now
2015-08-16 00:03 <nebadon> and thank you dahlia for providing the VM :)
2015-08-16 00:03 <dahlia> np
2015-08-16 00:03 <dahlia> diva made the major contribution :)
2015-08-16 00:03 <misterblue> I think the UUID thing is a little overboard (not sure what error messages/failures one would see if the two sides of the TP didn't agree)... but she's writing the code :)
2015-08-16 00:04 <Melanie_T> it's not intended to produce errors when it fails
2015-08-16 00:04 <Melanie_T> the data is either there or it isn't
2015-08-16 00:04 <Melanie_T> if it's not, the consumer won't be fed
2015-08-16 00:04 <dahlia> fails withot error :D
2015-08-16 00:04 <dahlia> *without
2015-08-16 00:04 <Melanie_T> it's not a filure to have a mismatch
2015-08-16 00:05 <diva> so did you already added the consumers of this? Or only added "this"?
2015-08-16 00:05 <Melanie_T> it just means the destination sim may have different modules loaded
2015-08-16 00:05 <misterblue> ya... and users would see some feature they were using not work as expected... and wouldn't know it was because the new region wasn't configured with some module they were using before
2015-08-16 00:05 <diva> i c
2015-08-16 00:05 <misterblue> no different than if the data was sent anyway
2015-08-16 00:05 <Melanie_T> we can't help the user by spewing into the console
2015-08-16 00:05 <dahlia> sounds like it could use some in-code docs to help the uninitiated with all the abstraction
2015-08-16 00:05 <Melanie_T> and sending script error channel or chat would be seriously annoying
2015-08-16 00:06 <Melanie_T> this is a typical data negotiation
2015-08-16 00:06 <misterblue> so the UUID thing does nothing for the user and, at best, reduces the size of the fatpack
2015-08-16 00:06 <Melanie_T> there is only one thing i'm still on the fence about but would like to do
2015-08-16 00:06 <Melanie_T> namely, send unconsumed data along
2015-08-16 00:06 <misterblue> unconsumed?
2015-08-16 00:06 <Melanie_T> encapsulated so it can be consumed when returning to sims that have the module
2015-08-16 00:06 <Melanie_T> rather than losing that state
2015-08-16 00:07 <Melanie_T> well, assume i have a roleplay module
2015-08-16 00:07 <misterblue> example?
2015-08-16 00:07 <Melanie_T> with player stats
2015-08-16 00:07 <Melanie_T> and i tp to your sim
2015-08-16 00:07 <Melanie_T> you don't have it
2015-08-16 00:07 <dahlia> oic
2015-08-16 00:07 <Melanie_T> that data would not be preserved
2015-08-16 00:08 <Melanie_T> unless i go and, on the sender side, wrap all available but unconsumed data (and I know which that is from the negotiation phase)
2015-08-16 00:08 <Melanie_T> and we change core code to keep that wrapped data in SP
2015-08-16 00:08 <Melanie_T> and send it along to the next sim
2015-08-16 00:08 <Melanie_T> until a consumer is found
2015-08-16 00:08 <misterblue> there is already dynamic attributes for that
2015-08-16 00:08 <Melanie_T> dynamic attrs are on objects
2015-08-16 00:08 <Melanie_T> and they go to the db
2015-08-16 00:08 <Melanie_T> both is undesirable
2015-08-16 00:10 <diva> Melanie_T did you change the AgentTransfer module already to use this?
2015-08-16 00:11 <Melanie_T> no
2015-08-16 00:11 <Melanie_T> i'm building bottom up
2015-08-16 00:11 <Melanie_T> so that's near to last on the list
2015-08-16 00:11 <diva> ok
2015-08-16 00:11 <Melanie_T> i was goign to get your input on it
2015-08-16 00:11 <diva> yeah this is really good
2015-08-16 00:12 <Melanie_T> it looks a little complex because it's designed for maximum versioning compatibility
2015-08-16 00:12 <Melanie_T> meaning, it allows modules with different versions of this data to interoperate
2015-08-16 00:12 <Melanie_T> like RP module version 1 can send data to rp module version 3
2015-08-16 00:12 <Melanie_T> and vice versa
2015-08-16 00:12 <diva> do modules need to provide their own grammar?
2015-08-16 00:13 <Melanie_T> of course unused data members will default in the lower version module
2015-08-16 00:13 <Melanie_T> diva: the grammar is provided by the module author requesting a well-known UUID from us
2015-08-16 00:13 <diva> or how's that mapping?
2015-08-16 00:13 <Melanie_T> it's only for reference
2015-08-16 00:13 <Melanie_T> and will be on the website
2015-08-16 00:13 <Melanie_T> the module implements that grammar
2015-08-16 00:14 <misterblue> it is the right modular addition... still not crazy about the UUID management thing -- seems like a lot of overhead when a long string (with maybe a domain name) could alleviate the need for a central repsitory
2015-08-16 00:14 <Melanie_T> the text version of it is thee for others to make use of the same data
2015-08-16 00:14 <misterblue> but, in general, a good addition
2015-08-16 00:14 <Melanie_T> misterblue: you probably don't like GPT partition tables then, either.....
2015-08-16 00:14 <Melanie_T> :P
2015-08-16 00:15 <misterblue> I don't want to define a system that requires a central management/database... the web and the hypergrid is decentralized
2015-08-16 00:15 <Melanie_T> this requires one
2015-08-16 00:15 <diva> does the code actually check those grammars?
2015-08-16 00:15 <diva> or is that an FYI for developers?
2015-08-16 00:16 <Melanie_T> diva: not yet but it may need to inthe future
2015-08-16 00:16 <Melanie_T> as different modules providing the same data may need it merged
2015-08-16 00:16 <misterblue> sure... runs the XML or JSON schema verification routine ;-)
2015-08-16 00:16 <Melanie_T> that's not all worked out in all detail yet
2015-08-16 00:16 <diva> if it could be decentralized it would be better
2015-08-16 00:16 <diva> can't the packs send along the grammar too?
2015-08-16 00:16 <Melanie_T> too wordy
2015-08-16 00:16 <Melanie_T> and not of much use
2015-08-16 00:17 <Melanie_T> decentralized would just create confusion and hinder adoption. a centralized system allows for uick lookup
2015-08-16 00:17 <Melanie_T> overte can be repurposed for things like that
2015-08-16 00:17 <Melanie_T> i'm looking onto that option
2015-08-16 00:17 <misterblue> each side has to have to routines to process the packs.... saying this is pack "com.misterblue.os.module.fred" is unique enough
2015-08-16 00:18 <Melanie_T> misterblue: but the definition would not be able to be looked up in one central place
2015-08-16 00:18 <Melanie_T> centralization is good for this
2015-08-16 00:18 <Melanie_T> tha's why protocol names like "smtp" are centrally administered
2015-08-16 00:18 <Melanie_T> and domain names
2015-08-16 00:18 <misterblue> so? the code is the the documentation... and the code is in the module that is installed in each end
2015-08-16 00:19 <Melanie_T> don't look down on centralized management on principle
2015-08-16 00:19 <Melanie_T> the intention is that one producer may well feed several consumers
2015-08-16 00:19 <Melanie_T> that isn't possible without being able to look at what info is already available in existing modules
2015-08-16 00:19 <Melanie_T> so let the code be bazaar, but the uuids need to be cathedral
2015-08-16 00:19 <misterblue> like I said, I'd do it differently... but it's not a show stopper for me... it just seems like extra, unnessary work
2015-08-16 00:20 <Melanie_T> mark my words, being able to look up on exsting data will further adoption and remove dupliate effort
2015-08-16 00:20 <Melanie_T> it's not like anyone intends to charge for the uuid assigment
2015-08-16 00:20 <Melanie_T> we're not the usb consortium
2015-08-16 00:21 <diva> an unrelated question: is there a reason why physics plugins are not region modules?
2015-08-16 00:21 <Melanie_T> the extremely large number of available UUIDs makes it easy to create a self-registration interface
2015-08-16 00:21 <Melanie_T> which is what I intend
2015-08-16 00:21 <Melanie_T> that way there is a way to look up what data may be already available
2015-08-16 00:21 <Melanie_T> creating a lot of synergy
2015-08-16 00:22 <Melanie_T> diva: the main reason is Manager
2015-08-16 00:22 <Melanie_T> the inheritance system of phsyics means that not all modules need to implement all methods
2015-08-16 00:22 <Melanie_T> hovever at first glance, they should be able to be region modules
2015-08-16 00:23 <Melanie_T> with minor changes, because region modules are interfaces and inheriting from a PhysicsBase class isn't impossible
2015-08-16 00:23 <Melanie_T> then, register an IPhysicsModule
2015-08-16 00:23 <Melanie_T> and have the sim use it
2015-08-16 00:23 <Melanie_T> no biggie
2015-08-16 00:23 <diva> I"m asking because at this point physics is just about the only big feature that isn't on the region module bandwagon
2015-08-16 00:23 <Melanie_T> that was an architectural decision that was taken before H-H-H and I rearchitected the region module system
2015-08-16 00:23 <diva> regions modules are good for packaging as mono addins
2015-08-16 00:24 <Melanie_T> today, it's just a matter fo some grey matter and lots of elbow grease
2015-08-16 00:24 <Melanie_T> make scene grow an IPhysicsModule PhysicsModule member
2015-08-16 00:24 <diva> so if ppl make yet anotehr physics engine, they can do it outside core and distribute it as mono addin
2015-08-16 00:24 <Melanie_T> then trasnlate the physucs calls to PhysicsMdule.SomeCallOnPhysics()
2015-08-16 00:25 <Melanie_T> as I said
2015-08-16 00:25 <Melanie_T> elbow grease mostly
2015-08-16 00:25 <Melanie_T> in Avination, VehicleData is already a class
2015-08-16 00:25 <diva> it would be really fun to see crazy physics
2015-08-16 00:25 <Melanie_T> so we're probably just going to use that
2015-08-16 00:26 <Melanie_T> we have all the code and misterblue is on the bandwagon again to merge it
2015-08-16 00:26 <Melanie_T> apparently a message from me to him got lost
2015-08-16 00:26 <Melanie_T> and cost us about 7 months
2015-08-16 00:26 <Melanie_T> :(
2015-08-16 00:27 <Melanie_T> but we need to revisit oren's work
2015-08-16 00:27 <diva> well, I'm a little scared of touching physics code, so if you or misterblue would put physics on the region module bandwagon that'd be awesom,. It wouls simplify the explanation of the code too
2015-08-16 00:27 <Melanie_T> it's not acceptable as it is and I can't seem to catch him
2015-08-16 00:27 <Melanie_T> his change of IScriptAPI won't fly
2015-08-16 00:27 <Melanie_T> needs to be rolled back and done right before the next release
2015-08-16 00:28 <Melanie_T> his intentions are good but the execution breaks architecture
2015-08-16 00:43 <smxy> So, OpenSim's fixed on Mono 4.3 now?
2015-08-16 00:43 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-08-16 00:43 <Melanie_T> semifixed
2015-08-16 00:43 <Melanie_T> workarounded
2015-08-16 00:43 <smxy> Excellent!
2015-08-16 00:43 <Melanie_T> it was never specified that class names in ini files were case insensitive
2015-08-16 00:44 <Melanie_T> now thay are specified to be case sensitive
2015-08-16 00:44 <Melanie_T> anyone who has handwritten files with wrong casing
2015-08-16 00:44 <smxy> Okay.
2015-08-16 00:44 <Melanie_T> for them it'll break
2015-08-16 00:44 <Melanie_T> the samples and defaults are properly cased
2015-08-16 00:46 <smxy> Paying attention to casing seems a small enough price to pay for it to work again.
2015-08-16 00:46 <Melanie_T> my sentiments exactly
2015-08-16 00:51 <smxy> I hope the OAR I gave Mr. Blue today lets him repro the collision issue I ran accross today.
2015-08-16 00:51 <misterblue> it is... look at earlier message to you
2015-08-16 00:51 <smxy> I didn't see it. I'll scroll back. :)
2015-08-16 00:52 <misterblue> there is a difference in how ODE and BS handle the collisionEnd processing
2015-08-16 00:53 <smxy> Okay. (I can't find you comment.)
2015-08-16 00:53 <smxy> your*
2015-08-16 00:54 <smxy> It must be related to state changing then, yes? Since it works okay in the version with no state change and fails in the one that does.
2015-08-16 00:54 <misterblue> <misterblue> smxy: looks like the way collisions are done in ODE, when the avatar is TPed out, the prim it is standing on still gets a collision end event even though the avatar might not be there
2015-08-16 00:54 <misterblue> <misterblue> so it is related to the collision_end thing you were seeing
2015-08-16 00:55 <smxy> Okay.
2015-08-16 00:56 <smxy> I still don't kow if this is the cause of the issue I've been hunting, but anything that makes collisions better is good and potentially gets us closer to a solution to the other.
2015-08-16 00:56 <misterblue> it's probably more that, for ODE, the collision end happens before the avatar TPs while it is leter for BS... but I'm still testing
2015-08-16 00:57 <smxy> Oh, I didn't figure you'd have an immediate fix. :)
2015-08-16 00:58 <smxy> I have my other test running now. The one with 10 pCampBots TPing back and forth between two non-neighboring regions. That's the case where the sending script never sees a collision_end with either ODE or BS.
2015-08-16 00:58 <smxy> And if that goes like the past two tries, it'll stop working about a week from now.
2015-08-16 00:59 <misterblue> are you running with the new code and the FireAndForget option turned off?
2015-08-16 00:59 <Melanie_T> that one is based on a shortcoming of XEngine
2015-08-16 00:59 <smxy> Yes, the new code and I never enabled that as you said not to.
2015-08-16 00:59 <Melanie_T> if an event is running in an XEngine script, no other event can be started
2015-08-16 01:00 <Melanie_T> and when the script engine is deleted, events are lost
2015-08-16 01:00 <Melanie_T> so don't depend on events that originate in the source sim to be received on a tp
2015-08-16 01:00 <Melanie_T> if these events are caused by that tp
2015-08-16 01:01 <Melanie_T> whether or not you still get that event is a race
2015-08-16 01:01 <misterblue> what about script state changes? what happens to events?
2015-08-16 01:02 <Melanie_T> state changes are defined to clear events
2015-08-16 01:02 <smxy> All queued events are dropped.
2015-08-16 01:02 <smxy> On a state change.
2015-08-16 01:02 <smxy> According to the LSL wiki.
2015-08-16 01:02 <Melanie_T> the exception in SL being link messages which are kept
2015-08-16 01:02 <Melanie_T> they're not considered "events"
2015-08-16 01:02 <Melanie_T> because they're not simulator originated
2015-08-16 01:03 <Melanie_T> a well known bug in SL means that it MAY be possible fo a single timer event from a previous state's timer to fire in the new state
2015-08-16 01:03 <Melanie_T> that also, although in SL, is a race
2015-08-16 01:03 <smxy> I sstarted changing state before TPing, as that effectively de-bounced the collision, by throwing all away after the first one, which is the only one I care about.
2015-08-16 01:04 <smxy> Yes, I read that about timers.
2015-08-16 01:05 <smxy> misterblue: One difference about my current test. I'm not running the local TPer (the one I gave you) this time. If that's what caused it to fail after a week, then this test should keep on chugging ...
2015-08-16 01:06 <smxy> Previously, I had both tests running simultaneously.
2015-08-16 01:07 <smxy> The odd thing is, when it fails, it fails for both the source and destination regions of the inter-region TPs. And both run in separate simulators, but on the same VM.
2015-08-16 01:25 <osmantis> Bug #6744:04 GridUser table gets extra entry with repeat avatar UUID with variants of hypergrid reference 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6744 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-16 01:26 <dahlia> interesting... that mono 4.3 vm had a running empty pimple standalone with no logins and no activity and it got a mono core dunp after running an hour or 2
2015-08-16 01:27 <dahlia> 
ACTION thinks attempting to use 4.3.x might be a bit premature at this point...

2015-08-16 01:28 <dahlia> http://pastebin.com/Re3XFzgn
2015-08-16 01:29 <dahlia> nebadon: your 4.3 region running?
2015-08-16 01:33 <nebadon> dahlia it i
2015-08-16 01:33 <nebadon> is*
2015-08-16 01:34 <nebadon> Sisyphys, OKC Tower, UCI edu1
2015-08-16 01:34 <nebadon> all running on 4.3 now
2015-08-16 01:34 <nebadon> on OSgrid
2015-08-16 01:34 <nebadon> I logged in and everything
2015-08-16 01:35 <nebadon> quite a bit of content in all of those regions too
2015-08-16 01:35 <dahlia> ya. no clue why an empty idle standalone would dump core but... :)
2015-08-16 01:35 <nebadon> yea strange
2015-08-16 01:35 <nebadon> i blame sqlite :P
2015-08-16 01:35 <dahlia> I would do except it was empty
2015-08-16 01:36 <dahlia> and I have sqlite on mono regions, have for years
2015-08-16 01:36 <nebadon> yea im just kidding
2015-08-16 01:36 <dahlia> slow, but otherwise very reliable
2015-08-16 01:37 <dahlia> i can't blame justincc anymore :(
2015-08-16 01:37 <dahlia> *snif*
2015-08-16 01:37 <nebadon> sure you can
2015-08-16 01:37 <nebadon> i still blame jhurliman for stuff
2015-08-16 01:37 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-16 01:37 <dahlia> lol
2015-08-16 01:51 <smxy> You *always* blame the last person to leave. :)
2015-08-16 01:51 <smxy> It's a law, I believe. :)
2015-08-16 01:59 <misterblue> and then reorg
2015-08-16 02:04 <smxy> lol, yes
2015-08-16 02:49 <misterblue> smxy... I don't know why ODE works, grr... the problem is that when the script engine changes state, it unsubscribes from physics events which cause SOP to not get the collsionEnd so the object never realizes it stopped colliding with the avatar
2015-08-16 02:50 <misterblue> ODE, though, does generate the collisionEnd event... but that can't be because the unsubscribe unregisters the physics engine collision callback so there should be no way for ODE to pass the collisionEnd event to the SOP
2015-08-16 03:08 <nebadon> maybe shoot Teravus an email
2015-08-16 03:09 <misterblue> it's something like the unsubscribe gets delayed one tick processing which gives the collision time to happen
2015-08-16 03:09 <misterblue> just a little timing difference...
2015-08-16 03:09 <dahlia> maybe the unsuscribe should check for possible pending events?
2015-08-16 03:09 <misterblue> not helped by that fact that the prim doesn't re-subscribe to the collision events for 5 seconds because of the teleport delay in the script engine
2015-08-16 03:11 <misterblue> that's the sort of thing I'm thinking, dahlia... but trying to make it too convoluted
2015-08-16 03:11 <misterblue> on a different subject, I saw a big billboard on my way to work yesterday for the Annual Dahlia Festival!!
2015-08-16 03:11 <misterblue> I thought if you :)
2015-08-16 03:12 <dahlia> <3 dahlia shows :D
2015-08-16 03:14 <misterblue> rats... the unsubscribe happens after the callback is removed
2015-08-16 03:14 <dahlia> oops
2015-08-16 03:15 <misterblue> I still don't see how ODE makes the call back to SOP... it shouldn't be able to
2015-08-16 03:15 <misterblue> 
ACTION scratches head

2015-08-16 03:15 <misterblue> I think the real solution is to not use states in scripts
2015-08-16 03:16 <dahlia> ll
2015-08-16 03:16 <dahlia> lol
2015-08-16 03:16 <dahlia> I use my own state management in lsl  scripts, always have
2015-08-16 03:16 <dahlia> bad habit I guess
2015-08-16 03:16 <dahlia> too many caveats in the built-in stuff scared me off
2015-08-16 03:17 <misterblue> there have been several casees where BulletSim didn't work because it handled tainting differently -- things happened in a slightly different order
2015-08-16 03:17 <misterblue> not the sort of thing that show up in API defintions
2015-08-16 03:18 <dahlia> tainting just means update viewers tho doesnt it?
2015-08-16 03:18 <dahlia> well I guess its more
2015-08-16 03:19 <dahlia> nebadon: that mono crashed again
2015-08-16 03:19 <dahlia> 68 minuts then... poof
2015-08-16 03:19 <nebadon> oh
2015-08-16 03:19 <misterblue> the physics engine doesn't want the simulator changing values and objects while it is simulating... so changes from the simulator are delayed to a known good time
2015-08-16 03:19 <nebadon> you probably have very new kernel?
2015-08-16 03:19 <nebadon> that is a problem too dahlia
2015-08-16 03:19 <dahlia> maybe
2015-08-16 03:19 <nebadon> mono crashes like crazy on newest kernels
2015-08-16 03:19 <nebadon> they know about it
2015-08-16 03:19 <dahlia> 3.13.0-57-generic
2015-08-16 03:19 <nebadon> we have several bug reports
2015-08-16 03:20 <nebadon> ya that might be too new
2015-08-16 03:20 <nebadon> let me see what i have
2015-08-16 03:20 <nebadon> 3.11.10-29-default
2015-08-16 03:20 <dahlia> misterblue: but only if bullet has its own thread?
2015-08-16 03:20 <nebadon> ive been suck on opensuse 13.1 because of this
2015-08-16 03:20 <dahlia> ah
2015-08-16 03:21 <dahlia> hmmm not sure how to go back
2015-08-16 03:21 <dahlia> not sure I want to
2015-08-16 03:21 <nebadon> ya im not sure either, especially ubuntu
2015-08-16 03:21 <dahlia> well gonna nuke this vm pretty soon anyway
2015-08-16 03:23 <misterblue> dahlia: it is done in general.. changes from the simulator are saved until physics step time
2015-08-16 03:24 <misterblue> even when sharing the thread with heartbeat, position updates come from the user and are pushed into the object/physics at any time
2015-08-16 03:28 <dahlia> or timer-based script events which update I imagine
2015-08-16 04:50 <dahlia> hmmm getting a similar error on robust that diva fixed for opensim when using 4.3
2015-08-16 05:01 <dahlia> D'oh! I updated mono but forgot to update opensim *blushes* seems to work now
2015-08-16 05:15 <dahlia> ooou on mono 4.3 my grid seems to be using ~20% less memory and cpu :D
2015-08-16 05:15 <dahlia> vs mono 3.99
2015-08-16 05:18 <nebadon> nice!
2015-08-16 05:19 <dahlia> I wonder if they have been cherry picking .net stuff
2015-08-16 05:24 <nebadon> I think they have
2015-08-16 05:25 <nebadon> the development of mono is moving very fast
2015-08-16 05:25 <nebadon> that was why i was excited to keep testing the newest code
2015-08-16 07:42 <osmantis> Bug #6744:04 GridUser table gets extra entry with repeat avatar UUID with variants of hypergrid reference 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6744 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-16 13:42 <smxy> misterblue: I'm using that same state-changing script for sending pCampBots back and forth between two regions. In that test, each teleporting prim has another one a few meters above it, as a landing pad. So when the bot TPs from Pad A it lands on Pad B's landing pad. 30 seconds later, the landing pad turns phantom for 5 seconds, allowing the bot to fall onto the teleport pad, sending it 
2015-08-16 13:42 <smxy> back to Pad A's landing pad, where the process repeats, forever, every 30 seconds. It doesn't work once, then stop. I have ten of these - one per bot - and they just keep on going ...
2015-08-16 13:44 <smxy> So, is that because the bot leaves the region and comes back? Or because there's 60 seconds between each time the pad is used? Or something else altogether?
2015-08-16 13:46 <smxy> I could add more loops to the in-region test, so that the start prim has more time to be in the default state before it gets used again, which currently is only about 8 second in-between uses. Even if that works, it doesn't explain why it does work in ODE ...
2015-08-16 15:10 <misterblue> smxy: not sure what is happening in that case... what I found before was that, because collisions are only 'advanced' by events from the physics engine, the TP off would cause the collision to never end (script would unsubscribe before end collisionEnd)
2015-08-16 15:12 <smxy> Yet ODE gets it.
2015-08-16 15:13 <smxy> I went back and read your chat with dahlia.
2015-08-16 15:45 <smxy> misterblue: I doubled the number of loops in the circuit, and it behaves the same. When it gets back to the first one, it stops. I added some llOwnerSay statements and I see what you are saying. The default state never sees the collision_end event until after I'm back on that pad and then manually end the collision it still thinks it's in, by something like a jump up, at which point it 
2015-08-16 15:45 <smxy> works again, once.
2015-08-16 15:52 <misterblue> ODE is using some mechanism I can't find to pass the end collision event (like I said, it sholdn't be possible)
2015-08-16 15:53 <smxy> Using the non-state-changing script, default sees collision_end 5 seconds after the teleport, which we know is because of the delay built into osTeleportAgent. So, when I come back to that prim mor than 5 seconds later, it's in a state (so to speak) to receive a collision_start and the process continues.
2015-08-16 15:53 <misterblue> there are a lot of things that could be changed to make collisions more robust (like not making the collision state change dependent to calls from the phsyics engine but actually part of the simulation heartbeat)
2015-08-16 15:53 <smxy> I'm sure you'll find it, eventually. :)
2015-08-16 15:53 <misterblue> that is work changing the innerds of the simulator to be 'better'
2015-08-16 15:53 <smxy> At least I gave you something to gnaw on.
2015-08-16 15:55 <misterblue> ah... 'thanks', I think ;-)
2015-08-16 15:55 <smxy> If ODE can do it, with the current "innards", BS should be able to, too, yes? 
2015-08-16 15:56 <Plugh> Not as simple as just getting BS to do collision end before it disconnects from the physics engine?
2015-08-16 15:56 <misterblue> it should... but I don't know if it is doing it by 'cheating' (maybe copying the list of subscribers) or if there is some mechanism I haven't seen
2015-08-16 15:57 <smxy> Well, as I said yesterday, I didn't expect an immediate fix. :)
2015-08-16 15:57 <misterblue> the 'disconnect' done by SOP is "unsubscribe from the collision event, tell the physics engine I'm disconnecting"
2015-08-16 15:58 <misterblue> the only connection from the physics engine to the SOP is the SOP subscription to the physics collision event
2015-08-16 15:59 <smxy> Now to go load up one of the between region teleport pads with a few llOwnerSays, to see why they work when the subject leaves the region, but not when they stay in the region, as it's the same script, just with a different target.
2015-08-16 16:00 <misterblue> could be that when the AV TPs into the region it gets a new localID so it is not the same object colliding with the prim
2015-08-16 16:02 <misterblue> in general, collisions do need a rework... for instance, avatar 'collide' every simulation tick (event when flying) and this event is used to update health and avatar animations
2015-08-16 16:02 <Plugh> misterblue: Is the collision end event already queued(?) when the unsubscribe is received?
2015-08-16 16:02 <misterblue> not really the right mechanism for that
2015-08-16 16:04 <misterblue> plugh: yes... each object keeps a list of things they collided with last tick so, on the next collision, they can check to see if they have stopped colliding with those objects
2015-08-16 16:05 <misterblue> it could be 'pushed', but the problem is then threading... I think the script/TP action happens in not the same context that the rest of the simulator would expect collision events to happen
2015-08-16 16:05 <misterblue> would definitely need the FireAndForget fix in that case
2015-08-16 16:07 <misterblue> that 'haven't collided this tick with something I collided with last tick' is book keeping done in both BulletSim and the SOP and probably also in ODE but, since I couldn't change the interface, I couldn't de-duplicate that functionality without inventing a whole new system
2015-08-16 16:08 <misterblue> maybe I should talk to the PhysX developers and consider making a whole new physics interface
2015-08-16 16:09 <misterblue> that might also fit into Melanie's modularization work
2015-08-16 16:11 <Plugh> Sounds like you have a long term project on your hands.
2015-08-16 16:17 <H-H-H> hey guys does opensim have the concept of a day/night cycle
2015-08-16 16:30 <misterblue> i believe so, H-H-H... it has the SL functions as well as osGetCurrentSunHour
2015-08-16 16:31 <misterblue> there are parameters in the INI file to modify the virtual to real world day cycle mapping
2015-08-16 16:31 <H-H-H> ahh i probly dont have it enaled at ini level ty
2015-08-16 16:31 <diva> misterblue, Melanie_T if it helps I can convert the current plugin mechanism of physics into region modules, so that physics modules will be ready to use the thing that Melanie is desiging
2015-08-16 16:32 <misterblue> if you're using the new osslEnable.ini in config-include, it should be enabled
2015-08-16 16:32 <Melanie_T> so you looked at the way it's loaded and the strange inheritance thing, i guess 
2015-08-16 16:32 <diva> I'm really itching to put as much as possible in the same bandwagon, rather than each one their own plugin mechanism
2015-08-16 16:32 <Melanie_T> there was a reason, way back, to load physics first
2015-08-16 16:32 <H-H-H> im using whatever is default out the box all i did was set it to use mysql and put it into grid mode
2015-08-16 16:33 <Melanie_T> that has since then gone away
2015-08-16 16:33 <Melanie_T> because the new module loader doesn't have the issues the old one had
2015-08-16 16:33 <misterblue> I haven't looked for gotchas yet... in general the physics interface is 'clean' in that it can't reach back into OS
2015-08-16 16:33 <misterblue> it should 'just work' but that is never true
2015-08-16 16:33 <diva> :)
2015-08-16 16:35 <misterblue> if several modules are available when OS starts (like having both the ODE and BulletSim modules), how does OS choose which modules to load?
2015-08-16 16:35 <misterblue> does that go into the INI files?
2015-08-16 16:35 <Melanie_T> it will load both and they will be at odds
2015-08-16 16:36 <Melanie_T> im changing that
2015-08-16 16:36 <misterblue> I don't like that OS loads EVERYTHING and then only calls a few things
2015-08-16 16:36 <Melanie_T> RegisterModuleInterface is currently void
2015-08-16 16:36 <Melanie_T> I'm making it bool
2015-08-16 16:36 <Melanie_T> if it returns false, the module calling should quit
2015-08-16 16:37 <Melanie_T> misterblue: There is no point in preventing the loading of the DLLs
2015-08-16 16:37 <Melanie_T> they are loaded to be scanned by Mono.Addins anyway
2015-08-16 16:37 <Melanie_T> and as DLL code can NOT be unloaded
2015-08-16 16:37 <Melanie_T> it's in memory regardless
2015-08-16 16:37 <H-H-H> misterblue the sun settings are commented out in opensimdefaults.ini so i just re enabled them
2015-08-16 16:38 <misterblue> but now we have the connector system where the DLLs are called out... there should be an INI for which modules to include in this simulator
2015-08-16 16:38 <Melanie_T> .net doesn't provide a way to free the actual code pages
2015-08-16 16:38 <Melanie_T> misterblue: They have to be loaded to look at them
2015-08-16 16:38 <diva> the current physics plugin manager looks at exacly one dll given by a config var
2015-08-16 16:38 <Melanie_T> and that means they're loaded, period
2015-08-16 16:38 <diva> oh
2015-08-16 16:38 <diva> yes you're right
2015-08-16 16:39 <Melanie_T> misterblue: there is no need to sweat the few k bytes
2015-08-16 16:39 <misterblue> H-H-H: the commented out values just show you the defaults... change them if you want a different sun cycle
2015-08-16 16:39 <diva>            string[] pluginFiles = Directory.GetFiles(assembliesPath, "*.dll");
2015-08-16 16:39 <diva>             for (int i = 0; i < pluginFiles.Length; i++)
2015-08-16 16:39 <diva>             {
2015-08-16 16:39 <diva>                 LoadPluginsFromAssembly(pluginFiles[i]);
2015-08-16 16:39 <diva>             }
2015-08-16 16:39 <Melanie_T> it's all it is that goes into memory
2015-08-16 16:39 <Melanie_T> a few kbytes of code
2015-08-16 16:39 <nebadon> ya many people have commented that when you shut down opensimulator you see messages about modules being shutdown that arent being used
2015-08-16 16:39 <nebadon> confuses people :)
2015-08-16 16:40 <H-H-H> yes i did and its working now fty
2015-08-16 16:40 <Melanie_T> the module loader and unloader doesn't emit such messages
2015-08-16 16:40 <H-H-H> ty*
2015-08-16 16:40 <Melanie_T> it's badly written modules that do
2015-08-16 16:40 <misterblue> I know that is how it is done now and that it's cool that you just put a DLL in the directory and it could work
2015-08-16 16:40 <diva> the thing about region modules is that their manager instantiates an instance of each, and then it's up to that instance to check whether it should be enabled or not. But there is actually a mechanism to prevent the instance from being inatantiated
2015-08-16 16:40 <misterblue> and you probably won't change it
2015-08-16 16:40 <Melanie_T> and it should remain that easy. a few thousand bytes of code don't hurt us, we have gbytes of data structures
2015-08-16 16:41 <Melanie_T> if you want to save memory, tackle the "eternal caches"
2015-08-16 16:41 <Melanie_T> not module code
2015-08-16 16:41 <diva> I'm using that mechanism in the diva distro
2015-08-16 16:41 <misterblue> but, when the system is really modularized, there will be hundreds of moduals and thousands of things available in the repository
2015-08-16 16:41 <diva> Setup_<mosule name> = false
2015-08-16 16:42 <Melanie_T> even instantiating the instance is an effective no-op
2015-08-16 16:42 <diva> Setup_<module name> = false
2015-08-16 16:42 <Melanie_T> it creates just a few bytes of data
2015-08-16 16:42 <Melanie_T> and if a module never registers an interface and naver gets used
2015-08-16 16:42 <diva> yeah, but like misterblue I hate the concept ogf having instances around that do nothing but clutter...
2015-08-16 16:42 <Melanie_T> why sweat these bytes?
2015-08-16 16:42 <diva> OCD
2015-08-16 16:42 <diva> :)
2015-08-16 16:43 <Melanie_T> i hate the concept of people having to crawl around configurations and messing with module names in addition to the config they already know
2015-08-16 16:43 <Melanie_T> and if opensim becomes even more modular
2015-08-16 16:43 <diva> yes, me too, that's why only *I* do it :)
2015-08-16 16:43 <Melanie_T> and modules are installed/updated from repos
2015-08-16 16:43 <Melanie_T> then people will tend to only have the modules they need anyway
2015-08-16 16:43 <diva> yes
2015-08-16 16:44 <Melanie_T> so if there is a need to disable a module specifically
2015-08-16 16:44 <Melanie_T> it's there
2015-08-16 16:44 <Melanie_T> i put that in, btw
2015-08-16 16:44 <diva> that is defintely true. Once we go into 3rd party plugn installations, people should only have installed what they need, and not the entire world
2015-08-16 16:44 <misterblue> if you beleived that (about crawling around configs) you would have never made the mess that is the connector INIs
2015-08-16 16:45 <Melanie_T> misterblue: that's not a mess. it's perfectly logical :)
2015-08-16 16:45 <Melanie_T> and it's been much simplified by diva 
2015-08-16 16:45 <diva> anyway, we're diverging. Fact: the current physics plugin manager scans all dlls anyway, not just one, so it's effectively equivalent to what region modules do
2015-08-16 16:46 <misterblue> the physics engine to use is specified in the main configuration file... could just load that one, also
2015-08-16 16:46 <diva> if we want to preserve the fact that it only instantiates exactly one, we can do that also with region modeuls by using Setup_<module name> = false
2015-08-16 16:47 <misterblue> not sure about that... how do I know to add "Setup_MosesPhysX = false"?
2015-08-16 16:48 <Melanie_T> ok i'll let you in on y thoughts back then
2015-08-16 16:48 <misterblue> when the module will only exist in the future
2015-08-16 16:48 <diva> you should know that you have it installed, and if you care you should add that
2015-08-16 16:48 <Melanie_T> adding the Setup_xxx switches was part of a larger strategy that got cut short by my then long illness
2015-08-16 16:48 <diva> and you know that you have it installed because you did something active to install it like using mautil or something like it
2015-08-16 16:48 <misterblue> ah well... so we load everything and just us a few... that will functionally work
2015-08-16 16:48 <Melanie_T> the plan was to let it sit that way and add the Setup_XXX for core modules to the .ini
2015-08-16 16:48 <misterblue> let's do it
2015-08-16 16:48 <Melanie_T> with a default value of true
2015-08-16 16:49 <Melanie_T> the next step, which I still managed to do, was to add config-includes
2015-08-16 16:49 <Melanie_T> then i dropped off the edge of the world
2015-08-16 16:49 <Melanie_T> the next ste was to set the default for these setup_ things to false in code
2015-08-16 16:50 <diva> in code? how?
2015-08-16 16:50 <Melanie_T> so future modules would need to be added to the ini to be loaded at all
2015-08-16 16:50 <diva> oh
2015-08-16 16:50 <Melanie_T> and then have modules come with their own ini snippets
2015-08-16 16:50 <diva> so set everyitng to false by default?
2015-08-16 16:50 <Melanie_T> and each module's snippet would have it's own Setup_xxx in it's snippet
2015-08-16 16:50 <misterblue> there was already the 'config' subdirectory for per-module INI snippets
2015-08-16 16:51 <Melanie_T> misterblue: Yes. of course, I made that possible
2015-08-16 16:51 <Melanie_T> diva then populated it
2015-08-16 16:53 <lkalif> apache has explicit LoadModule directive and a conflg option to specify  dirs for scanning these  fules. Often modules come in a package that has a single LoadModule line
2015-08-16 16:54 <AllenKerensky> modules also have their own modular configuration file - implementing that in OpenSim would require breaking down some of the existing INI conventions
2015-08-16 16:54 <diva> not really AllenKerensly. I'm using that in my Diva addons
2015-08-16 16:55 <diva> my addons come with their own config files that are placed in a special directory
2015-08-16 16:55 <lkalif> yes, that's how apache does it
2015-08-16 16:55 <AllenKerensky> that's what I was talking about - rather than a monolithic OpenSim.ini that has blocks for everything
2015-08-16 16:55 <H-H-H> hey guys in the sun module setup does this day_night_offset = 0.45 refer to 45mins or does it refer to 0.45 of whatever day lkength is set to or am i completely wrong as usuall
2015-08-16 16:56 <Melanie_T> Reading back into that code.
2015-08-16 16:56 <lkalif> AllenKerensky: opensim can do that too
2015-08-16 16:56 <Melanie_T> the setup_xxx option doesn't prevent creation of the instance
2015-08-16 16:56 <AllenKerensky> yes it can lkalif but by convention it doesn't much
2015-08-16 16:57 <diva> Melanie_T I think it does
2015-08-16 16:57 <AllenKerensky> Aurora tried to break the INIs down - with mixed results I think - but there may be some lessons and takeaways from that
2015-08-16 16:57 <Melanie_T> no it doesn't
2015-08-16 16:57 <Melanie_T> looking at the code right now
2015-08-16 16:57 <Melanie_T> both the constructor and initialise will still be called
2015-08-16 16:57 <Melanie_T> add region will not be called
2015-08-16 16:57 <Melanie_T> so most modules will remain quiescent
2015-08-16 16:57 <misterblue> H-H-H: from the source code : Horizon shift, this is used to shift the sun's orbit, this affects the day / night ratio
2015-08-16 16:57 <misterblue>  // must hard code to ~.5 to match sun position in LL based viewers
2015-08-16 16:58 <Melanie_T> of course, it's trivial to make it not even load them
2015-08-16 16:59 <lkalif> Melanie_T: loading modules doesn't take much ram, agreed. but it can be slow
2015-08-16 16:59 <diva> Melanie_T but if they're disabled they are even added to the list
2015-08-16 17:00 <H-H-H> ty misterblue but could you explain to mrthick (me ) how that relates to the settings
2015-08-16 17:00 <diva> and the list is what matters for instantiation, I think
2015-08-16 17:00 <diva> yep
2015-08-16 17:01 <diva> they're not in the list in line 127
2015-08-16 17:01 <misterblue> H-H-H: changing 'day_length' sets the virtual day lenght in real hour while 'day_time_sun_hour_scale' scales the nighttime vs the daytime
2015-08-16 17:01 <diva> and line 360
2015-08-16 17:02 <diva> no sorry that one doens't count
2015-08-16 17:02 <misterblue> 'day_time_sun_hour_scale' defaults to 0.5 making day light hours the same lenght as nighttime hours
2015-08-16 17:02 <H-H-H> ahhh ok
2015-08-16 17:02 <H-H-H> ty
2015-08-16 17:03 <misterblue> so, if you want the simulator light cycle the same as realtime, set 'day_length' to 24
2015-08-16 17:03 <misterblue> the current default of '4' means there are 6 virtual sun rises per real day
2015-08-16 17:04 <H-H-H> i set it to 0.25 for testing so should be 15mins per day cycle
2015-08-16 17:05 <misterblue> the sun and moon will whip around :)
2015-08-16 17:05 <H-H-H> also is thier a way to make it darker at night like almost pitch black for example
2015-08-16 17:06 <misterblue> the sun/moon position update is only sent to the viewer every few seconds (default is 10 seconds) so you will see the shadows jump
2015-08-16 17:07 <misterblue> the amount of light is a viewer thing and most likely windlight settings
2015-08-16 17:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #4284 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-16 17:09 <H-H-H> ahh ty and sorry for disturbing you guys
2015-08-16 17:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4284: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4284/
2015-08-16 17:13 <osjenkins> melanie: Make Setup_XXX=disabled not even load the module at all, rather than
2015-08-16 17:32 <diva> RE: inis -- for the modules that come in core, we can have them all be in one big config file, or a couple of them, like we have now. But, as I said, for 3rd party modules that is absolutely not necessary or even desired. Their inis can be in their own file. 
2015-08-16 17:33 <diva> here's one way of doing it: https://github.com/diva/diva-distribution/blob/master/addon-modules/02AddinExample/AddinExampleModule.cs#L107
2015-08-16 17:33 <diva> I added a Util function to core to make it even easier to do this
2015-08-16 18:02 <misterblue> diva: in the addon-module example you pointed to, if there is no configuration section, the variable m_enabled is not set... would cause other exceptions
2015-08-16 18:03 <misterblue> 
ACTION is having code review flashbacks

2015-08-16 18:04 <diva> m_Enabled is false by default -- that's what bolleans default to
2015-08-16 18:06 <misterblue> ok... that is true for value types in C#... still not a good habit to get into as anything that is boxed will be different
2015-08-16 18:07 <misterblue> and the rules are different for other languages
2015-08-16 18:07 <diva> yeah. I remember jhurliman in the past getting annoyed when we had those explicit initializers in...
2015-08-16 18:08 <diva> "it's not necessary and it's clutter" :)
2015-08-16 18:08 <diva> I usually put it in, cos I like to see them. It didn't happen in this case
2015-08-16 18:09 <misterblue> just a nit...
2015-08-16 18:14 <lkalif> c# id noy java
2015-08-16 18:15 <lkalif> i need to fix my finger offset :P
2015-08-16 18:17 <lkalif> also clutter: "private"
2015-08-16 18:19 <misterblue> there are so many 'optimizations' in languages to reduce 'clutter'... but my philosophy is it is best to say what you mean to make sure both the compiler and the next person knows what you wanted rather than relying on some language default (which might change in the next version)
2015-08-16 18:20 <misterblue> and the fact that privateness is defined differently in different languages (some assume, some require specs, ...) that, since I have to shift between so many languages, it's best to explicitly say what I want
2015-08-16 18:21 <lkalif> change is the next version is a bogus argument
2015-08-16 18:21 <lkalif> the rest if a question of style
2015-08-16 18:22 <misterblue> and the style is defined for a project.... if you're doing it for yourself, go for it... otherwise, set the style and go
2015-08-16 18:23 <misterblue> my personal style is to be more verbosse as it seems to mean fewer mistakes
2015-08-16 18:23 <lkalif> if i read 10 lines with private in front of each member declaration, i fund it reduces readability. it also makes public stff stand out.
2015-08-16 18:24 <lkalif> i mean public is more visible if you omit writing private
2015-08-16 18:25 <diva> style wars: the favorite hobby of our profession...
2015-08-16 18:26 <lkalif> i hate when people write one language in 10 other languages they use ;)
2015-08-16 18:26 <diva> shameless plug http://www.amazon.com/Exercises-Programming-Style-Cristina-Videira/dp/1482227371/ :-)
2015-08-16 18:27 <nebadon> haha
2015-08-16 18:27 <lkalif> out of stock, what did they print? 
2015-08-16 18:27 <nebadon> someone on reddit other day said something like that, a good programmer can write java in any language
2015-08-16 18:27 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-16 18:28 <nebadon> sarcastically :)
2015-08-16 18:28 <lkalif> only java people do that
2015-08-16 18:28 <diva> wow out of stcock?!
2015-08-16 18:28 <lkalif> they want to inflict it on the rest of us
2015-08-16 18:28 <diva> let me ping my publisher
2015-08-16 18:30 <diva> it's not a sarcastic comment; it's true
2015-08-16 18:30 <diva> you probably shuldn't do it, but it's perfectly possible
2015-08-16 18:30 <nebadon> haha
2015-08-16 18:31 <diva> and the more you are able to do it the more you become aware of issues style, how important they are, and how each language has its own
2015-08-16 18:31 <lkalif> yes
2015-08-16 18:31 <nebadon> the thread was about the iOS version of facebook
2015-08-16 18:31 <diva> that's essentially the story of my book
2015-08-16 18:31 <nebadon> it has 18000 classes
2015-08-16 18:31 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-16 18:31 <nebadon> https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/3h5icr/someone_discovered_that_the_facebook_ios/
2015-08-16 18:32 <nebadon> actually it was this thread
2015-08-16 18:33 <nebadon> https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/3h52yk/someone_discovered_that_the_facebook_ios/
2015-08-16 18:34 <lkalif> lol
2015-08-16 18:35 <nebadon> "Java is like life
2015-08-16 18:35 <nebadon> It just finds a way
2015-08-16 18:35 <nebadon> "
2015-08-16 18:35 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-16 18:37 <diva> in the opensim code base, I can spot justincc's code in an instant
2015-08-16 18:38 <diva> it usually has long preambles of calls until it finally does something :-)
2015-08-16 18:38 <lkalif> member vars with m_ .. pfft :P
2015-08-16 18:39 <diva> I can/could also spot Teravus code. He's more a low-level programmer, so his code always looked like C
2015-08-16 18:40 <diva> Mel's code is also identifiable, but purely for textual reasons: she insists on 80 columns or less :-)
2015-08-16 18:40 <diva> so, lots of line breaks
2015-08-16 18:41 <lkalif> lol
2015-08-16 18:45 <diva> Mel uses vi
2015-08-16 18:47 <lkalif> visual studio 2015 is free
2015-08-16 18:47 <misterblue> I use vi too... but them I'm running cygwin on Windows10 which is something Mel would never do :)
2015-08-16 18:47 <lkalif> and there is nothing like intellisense
2015-08-16 18:48 <misterblue> I've been trying ot VS2015 and it's great... mainly that the free version now allows plugins so my VI editor plugin works
2015-08-16 18:48 <diva> hehe
2015-08-16 18:48 <lkalif> 2015 is free for non crippled verdion
2015-08-16 18:48 <misterblue> I've had to use Eclipse at work (keep the Java jokes down) and I'm missing Intellisense
2015-08-16 18:49 <lkalif> is bassically what used to be pro, now free as community edition
2015-08-16 18:49 <misterblue> I'm liking the new CEO
2015-08-16 18:49 <diva> omg don't even get me started on Eclipse. What a piece of crap. It's like it makes me mad even before I look at any Java code
2015-08-16 18:49 <lkalif> misterblue: yep
2015-08-16 18:50 <misterblue> my day job is "big data" and all the Apache stuff is Java/Maven/...  and thus Eclipse and Java and Scala
2015-08-16 18:50 <lkalif> java is capable of making one mad all on its own :P
2015-08-16 18:51 <misterblue> Scala is not so bad... it's more like a Python that works on the JRE
2015-08-16 18:51 <lkalif> there was a .net version iirc
2015-08-16 18:55 <lkalif> well, technically everything that runs on jre can be recompiled to .net
2015-08-16 18:56 <lkalif> i once used a toold that lets you take a java jar and translate it to an assembly dll
2015-08-16 18:57 <lkalif> worked quite well
2015-08-16 18:57 <lkalif> tool
2015-08-16 19:14 <AllenKerensky> Want to annoy Java coders - ask them to write their own network code that requires dealing with unsigned types - then sit back and watch the blood pressures rise...
2015-08-16 19:15 <AllenKerensky> i haven't looked, but I hear Java 1.8 finally gave in and added unsigned *laughing*
2015-08-16 19:40 <dahlia> pffft. nobody ever uses unsigned :P .. oh...wait... *blush*
2015-08-16 19:42 <dahlia> lkalif: I think that CSJ2K library in libomv was originally java and was translated
2015-08-16 19:54 <smxy> misterblue: I just re-verified that the same script that fails, in-region, because it doesn't see the collision_end, works just fine, when the avatar leaves the region and comes back, even though it continues to not see a collision_end.
2015-08-16 19:55 <misterblue> I'd suspect that's because the avatar gets a new localID when it enters a region
2015-08-16 19:55 <misterblue> the list of colliders is based on localID so it is a new thing that is colliding with the object
2015-08-16 19:56 <smxy> Not that's reported in my log. Maybe it doesn't get logged.
2015-08-16 19:56 <misterblue> the problem is the special case of the same avatar in the same region
2015-08-16 19:58 <dahlia> not sure if this is the same thing you are talking about but I notice when the collision detect doors fail for me they fail for any avatar, new to the region or not
2015-08-16 19:58 <misterblue> that sounds like a different problem
2015-08-16 19:58 <dahlia> and they seem to all fail around the same time, regardless if prior collisions have happened or not
2015-08-16 19:59 <misterblue> the OS simulator is so last decade
2015-08-16 19:59 <dahlia> lol
2015-08-16 19:59 <dahlia> (it is, but not PC to say that here :P)
2015-08-16 19:59 <misterblue> time to make a new system and load our OARs into it
2015-08-16 19:59 <smxy> Okay. I'm going to start up the pCampBots again and set them to going back and forth between the two regions, to see if they alone can trigger the problem where all the teleporter scripts stop seeing collisions.
2015-08-16 19:59 <smxy> That problem is like mine, dahlia.
2015-08-16 20:00 <smxy> They just all stop at some point.
2015-08-16 20:00 <dahlia> well sometimes one or 2 keep working but most seem to fail at the same time
2015-08-16 20:00 <misterblue> i'd like a case of it failing for everyone... that is really strange as collisions are tracked per object both in BulletSim and SOP
2015-08-16 20:01 <smxy> Oh, when this happens, it happens for anyone who enters the region. That's how I know - someone IMs me to tell me they've stopped working.
2015-08-16 20:01 <misterblue> that original log you sent smxy had a case where it stopped for all but then a new avatar coming into the region it was working for
2015-08-16 20:01 <dahlia> maybe its some other failure that makes the collision appear to fail as a side effect
2015-08-16 20:01 <misterblue> but that I decided was a locking problem I had in BulletSim and I checked in fixes for thath
2015-08-16 20:02 <dahlia> deadlock?
2015-08-16 20:02 <misterblue> the newest code locks an external object
2015-08-16 20:02 <smxy> Not only does it fail for everyone, it fails in all regions in all simulators on that VM.
2015-08-16 20:02 <misterblue> I thing the problem I had was that locking happens on the object and not it's variable hand
2015-08-16 20:02 <dahlia> <.<  >.>
2015-08-16 20:03 <smxy> My thoughts exactly, dahlia. :)
2015-08-16 20:03 <misterblue> for instance, if I have "Collection frog = new HashSet();"
2015-08-16 20:04 <misterblue> and then I lock "frog".. and then later assign 'frog' to a different hashset... 'frog' is no longer locked as the lock was on the original HashSet and not the new one
2015-08-16 20:04 <dahlia> 
ACTION plays leapfrog...

2015-08-16 20:04 <dahlia> can you lock an element of a collection?
2015-08-16 20:04 <lkalif> any refence
2015-08-16 20:05 <osmantis> Bug #7684:04 Dialog box reports Unknown User as owner if owner is an HG user 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7684 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-16 20:05 <misterblue> don't know... but I was updating a collection by creating a new collection and adding the new element and then replacing the global collection variable with this new collection
2015-08-16 20:05 <osmantis> Bug #7684:04 Dialog box reports Unknown User as owner if owner is an HG user 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7684 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-08-16 20:05 <misterblue> in C#, that creates a race condition
2015-08-16 20:06 <misterblue> because one is locking the original collection and not the handle to the collection
2015-08-16 20:06 <lkalif> but since .net 4 there is System.Collections.Concurrent
2015-08-16 20:06 <misterblue> yes... but haven't gone there
2015-08-16 20:06 <lkalif> they are thread-safe, no need to lock
2015-08-16 20:07 <misterblue> is OS officially up to .Net 4?
2015-08-16 20:07 <lkalif> and .net 4 is required anyway...
2015-08-16 20:07 <lkalif> yes
2015-08-16 20:07 <dahlia> I used a ConcurrentQueue before (not in opensim), worked great :)
2015-08-16 20:07 <misterblue> k... maybe I'll change some of those structures... at the moment have added different locking
2015-08-16 20:07 <misterblue> BUlletSim was started a few .net's ago :)
2015-08-16 20:08 <lkalif> there is also ConcurrentBag
2015-08-16 20:08 <dahlia> if .net4 is in mono 2.10.8.1, I guess it is
2015-08-16 20:08 <dahlia> otherwise we prolly need a core consensus to bump it up
2015-08-16 20:08 <lkalif> yeah, 2.10 and up
2015-08-16 20:09 <lkalif> dahlia: it's already done, justincc moved the requrement
2015-08-16 20:09 <dahlia> we use 2.10.8.1 as min mono version I think
2015-08-16 20:09 <misterblue> I do remember something like that... we wanted all the new features and Mono had finally caught up
2015-08-16 20:09 <lkalif> and now libmv is compiled with .net 4 too¨
2015-08-16 20:10 <lkalif> concurrent collections alone are worth it
2015-08-16 20:10 <dahlia> they are nice
2015-08-16 20:11 <dahlia> I used one to queue messages from a threaded UDP loop into a game loop, worked so nice :)
2015-08-16 20:11 <lkalif> :)
2015-08-16 20:12 <smxy> Yeah, 2.10.8.1 is what Jenkins is compiling with now.
2015-08-16 20:23 <misterblue> I'll consider adding those.. they will be a bit less corse than adding more global locks
2015-08-16 20:34 <dahlia> ya thread safe collections would probably eliminate a few deadlock disasters waiting to happen
2015-08-16 20:36 <misterblue> the problem was not deadlocks but trying (unsuccessfully) to implement multi-read/infrequent-write data structures
2015-08-16 20:37 <misterblue> it seems so simple...
2015-08-16 20:38 <dahlia> heh
2015-08-16 20:38 <dahlia> "How Hard Can It Be(tm)"
2015-08-16 20:39 <misterblue> exactly
2015-08-16 20:43 <misterblue> I'm working on my VM opus.. I said in an opensim-dev email that I had my own ideas about how VWs should be built
2015-08-16 20:43 <misterblue> I'm trying to write tht down
2015-08-16 20:46 <dahlia> cool
2015-08-16 20:46 <dahlia> I have a fair bit of testbed code laying around using a very segmented architecture
2015-08-16 20:47 <dahlia> there's no main simulator, everything is in small programs that communicate via hubs
2015-08-16 20:47 <dahlia> all udp currently
2015-08-16 20:48 <dahlia> physics is a module that can simulate all or some of a world and you can add more physics engines
2015-08-16 20:48 <dahlia> hubs can replicate to scale up users
2015-08-16 20:49 <dahlia> kinda fun and works very well but a total breadboard and nothing even remotely suitable for production
2015-08-16 20:49 <dahlia> also have a couple viewers for it, one c++, one c#, and a really ancient one written in python
2015-08-16 20:50 <dahlia> hierarchical entity-component model throughout
2015-08-16 20:51 <misterblue> I like that... I want to scale and that usually means lots of functionality pieces that can be combined
2015-08-16 20:51 <dahlia> ya and they all use the same protocol so you can add more hosts to scale
2015-08-16 20:52 <dahlia> I'm sure there are unforseen problems but the few parts Ive coded look promising
2015-08-16 20:52 <misterblue> I'm thinking a viewer what combines 3d space providers... I want to HG that allows an OS avatar to stand next to a High Fidelity avatar
2015-08-16 20:53 <dahlia> also Im not sure how dated entity-component model is, how it would work if combined with say... point clouds or voxels
2015-08-16 20:53 <misterblue> there is a lot of simulation needed for each system, but they should combine into one view
2015-08-16 20:53 <dahlia> thats the goal, yes
2015-08-16 20:54 <misterblue> I want a viewer that takes connections from multiple space servers and combines them into one view
2015-08-16 20:54 <dahlia> SL viewer does that
2015-08-16 20:55 <misterblue> the viewer would have an interface like most of the existing game engines (mesh, shaders, animations, bones, ...)
2015-08-16 20:55 <dahlia> with my system, the hubs do the combining
2015-08-16 20:56 <misterblue> hubs are a good idea... lots of separate parts connected together
2015-08-16 20:56 <misterblue> makes distribution and scaling possible
2015-08-16 20:57 <dahlia> ya that was my reasoning for making them
2015-08-16 20:57 <osmantis> Bug #7684:04 Dialog box reports Unknown User as owner if owner is an HG user 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7684 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-16 20:57 <misterblue> Sirikata had the idea of, when objects are stored, LOD version are automatically created
2015-08-16 20:58 <misterblue> I think the same can be done with OS objects -- baking prims into displayable things
2015-08-16 20:58 <dahlia> well... LOD may be of limited value with newer GPUs tho
2015-08-16 20:58 <dahlia> they have so much horsepower and they sit idle
2015-08-16 20:58 <misterblue> that way the base, editable form is only available when editting and a display optimized version is available for rendering
2015-08-16 20:59 <misterblue> people want to look into the distance... how can one see the large things happening in the city across the valley?
2015-08-16 20:59 <Ubit> use a drone?
2015-08-16 21:00 <Ubit> (hi all )
2015-08-16 21:00 <dahlia> hi Ubit
2015-08-16 21:00 <dahlia> drone :P
2015-08-16 21:00 <misterblue> Hi Ubit... long time no see!!
2015-08-16 21:00 <Ubit> yeap..  took another long break :)
2015-08-16 21:00 <misterblue> breaks are good... keeps ones sanity intact
2015-08-16 21:01 <dahlia> hey nebadon I just notices no scripts seem to be working on my grid with mono 4.3
2015-08-16 21:02 <dahlia> *noticed
2015-08-16 21:02 <nebadon> do you have dlls from previous mono?
2015-08-16 21:02 <misterblue> me, I'm sitting in my back yard with my laptop in my lap... gets me out of my inclosed office
2015-08-16 21:02 <nebadon> in scriptengines?
2015-08-16 21:02 <dahlia> probably but I just tried a new scriot
2015-08-16 21:03 <nebadon> let me try
2015-08-16 21:04 <nebadon> a copy of the .config file is in the root of the directory where all the binary folders for robust are
2015-08-16 21:04 <nebadon> oops wrong window
2015-08-16 21:04 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-16 21:05 <nebadon> dahlia scripts are working for me
2015-08-16 21:05 <nebadon> new script ran anyway
2015-08-16 21:05 <dahlia> hmmm
2015-08-16 21:05 <lkalif> I always wanted to write single-thread time slicing script engine runtime for opensim... but that would be very difficult with the way opensim is implemented
2015-08-16 21:05 <nebadon> and stuff in sim works
2015-08-16 21:06 <dahlia> lkalif: coroutines FTW
2015-08-16 21:06 <dahlia> but need yield injection or something
2015-08-16 21:06 <misterblue> my first attempt would be to take the LSL engine from Aurora and use it in OpenSimulator
2015-08-16 21:06 <misterblue> Rev tried to go non-AppDomain and single threaded to simplify everything
2015-08-16 21:07 <zadark> dahlia, I only have simple AO and teleport scripts, but they run ok on mono 4.3
2015-08-16 21:07 <dahlia> nothing for me
2015-08-16 21:07 <zadark> did you compile Opensim with the 4.3 compiler?
2015-08-16 21:07 <lkalif> too bad Rev left, he was so good
2015-08-16 21:07 <dahlia> visual studio 2015
2015-08-16 21:08 <zadark> You create binaries and transfer to Linux?
2015-08-16 21:08 <dahlia> ya
2015-08-16 21:09 <zadark> k
2015-08-16 21:09 <dahlia> deleted ScriptEngines folder contents and restarted, nada
2015-08-16 21:12 <dahlia> maybe thats why I saw the 20% improvement in memory and cpu, no scripts were running 
2015-08-16 21:13 <zadark> Yes, I only saw a noticeable drop around the 3.99 4.0 release time
2015-08-16 21:15 <dahlia> restarted grid on 3.99, all better now :)
2015-08-16 21:15 <zadark> Strange, but note worthy
2015-08-16 21:16 <dahlia> rm /usr/local/bin/mono; ln -s /usr/local/bin/mono-3.99.0 /usr/local/bin/mono
2015-08-16 21:16 <dahlia> FTW
2015-08-16 21:17 <zadark> I use local user to run mono, and set paths in bashrc
2015-08-16 21:18 <dahlia> well local user has to export PATH=/usr/local/bin/mono/bin:$PATH to get the experimental mono builds
2015-08-16 21:18 <zadark> yes
2015-08-16 21:19 <dahlia> otherwise it uses whatever mono-complete is
2015-08-16 21:20 <H-H-H> sorry to interupt but could anyone tell me if its possible to add physics to a particle
2015-08-16 21:21 <lkalif> 3.2.8 for ubuntu 14.04
2015-08-16 21:22 <dahlia> I have a hacked up debian unstable
2015-08-16 21:22 <lkalif> H-H-H: not in sl/opensim, they are entiely viewer effect
2015-08-16 21:23 <dahlia> dont particles have physics like effects? kinda like a gravity of sorts? cant remember its been so long since I played...
2015-08-16 21:23 <H-H-H> im playing with the weather system that uses llcloud to determine the likely hood of rain and then it spits out partcal based rain or snow but i would like it to die if it touches something instead of falling through it 
2015-08-16 21:24 <dahlia> good luck with that
2015-08-16 21:24 <misterblue> particles are defined to have some physical effects (like gravity to float to the ground), but all that is done in the viewer... the simulator has nothing to do with that
2015-08-16 21:24 <dahlia> some engines use "zones" to do that kind of thing
2015-08-16 21:25 <H-H-H> i cant think of anyway to do it that would look right :(
2015-08-16 21:25 <misterblue> ya... nothing like that in the SL viewer... rain and snow particles go through roofs
2015-08-16 21:26 <H-H-H> 
ACTION goes and makes a fool of himself in a few viewer chans to see what they say

2015-08-16 21:26 <H-H-H> ty for your input guys :)
2015-08-16 21:26 <dahlia> doing collision detection on a bazillion rain particles would probably drive an already cpu-bound viewer to it's knees
2015-08-16 21:27 <H-H-H> yeah more than likely , as if it hasn got enough to do already :)
2015-08-16 21:27 <misterblue> that's why 'zones'... simplier computation
2015-08-16 21:27 <dahlia> yep
2015-08-16 21:38 <Ubit> hmm misterblue you don't read pvts? :P
2015-08-16 21:41 <diva> Melanie_T CmdrCupcake: if ew're going to evolve the viewers to depart from the SL protocol, I think we're going to have to add a piece of info somewhere attached to these new user agents, flagging them as OpenSim-NextGen. Where should that go? Viewer name? basically in some places of the server I need to know if I'm talking to a regular viewer or a NG viewer
2015-08-16 21:43 <Melanie_T> The best place is to have it as a cap
2015-08-16 21:43 <Melanie_T> because the region needs to know and that way it does
2015-08-16 21:44 <Melanie_T> without having to carry that data around
2015-08-16 21:44 <dahlia> I'm curious how the protocol can be evolved. SL protocol is a mess but it seems to work across the interwebz and it's not always easy to do that
2015-08-16 21:44 <diva> so an extra cap that these viewers call? then the scene needs to store that info somewhere?
2015-08-16 21:44 <diva> why not just attach it to agent circuit?
2015-08-16 21:45 <diva> and pass it around?
2015-08-16 21:45 <Melanie_T> the seed gives us the caps the viewer has
2015-08-16 21:45 <Melanie_T> that new cap is either there or not
2015-08-16 21:45 <diva> ?
2015-08-16 21:45 <Melanie_T> erm
2015-08-16 21:45 <Melanie_T> the caps the region has
2015-08-16 21:45 <Melanie_T> **
2015-08-16 21:45 <Melanie_T> the new gen viewer will call that cap
2015-08-16 21:45 <Melanie_T> older sl ones will not
2015-08-16 21:45 <Melanie_T> so the viewer will now it has a new style region by it having that cap
2015-08-16 21:46 <diva> right. So attach it to ScenePresence or something like that?
2015-08-16 21:46 <Melanie_T> and the region will know it has a new style viewer by that cap being invoked
2015-08-16 21:46 <Melanie_T> it's not attached to anything
2015-08-16 21:46 <Melanie_T> it's feature discovery
2015-08-16 21:46 <diva> it needs to be stored somewhere
2015-08-16 21:46 <diva> so that modules can act on it at various points
2015-08-16 21:46 <Melanie_T> then, further caps and event queue messages can be used to deal with the actua data
2015-08-16 21:47 <Melanie_T> the features would be stored on Scene
2015-08-16 21:47 <Melanie_T> and yes
2015-08-16 21:47 <Melanie_T> the viewer features need to be per agent
2015-08-16 21:47 <Melanie_T> but they realy belong on the client, not the presence
2015-08-16 21:47 <diva> yes
2015-08-16 21:48 <Melanie_T> so to make it clear
2015-08-16 21:48 <Melanie_T> modules provide features
2015-08-16 21:48 <Melanie_T> they store the data about the feature they provide on scene
2015-08-16 21:49 <Melanie_T> viewers connect and receive the new cap
2015-08-16 21:49 <Melanie_T> they invoke the cap with a list of features they support, which is stored on the client
2015-08-16 21:49 <Melanie_T> and receive whatever features modules have registered with the sim
2015-08-16 21:49 <Melanie_T> it can then use each feature it recognises to work some magic
2015-08-16 21:50 <Melanie_T> and modules will know which messages they can send on the EQ and will be understood
2015-08-16 21:50 <Melanie_T> by the data stored on the client
2015-08-16 21:50 <Melanie_T> so that a given feature-implementing module won't send data to a viewer that doesn't understand that data
2015-08-16 21:50 <diva> eeeew no EQ
2015-08-16 21:50 <Melanie_T> to keep the channels clear of surplus chatter
2015-08-16 21:51 <diva> some of these new features are about the viewer contacting the home world, not any partvicular sim
2015-08-16 21:51 <Melanie_T> diva: there are precisely two ways a sim can send unsolicited messages to the viewer
2015-08-16 21:51 <Melanie_T> the EQ, and UDP
2015-08-16 21:51 <diva> but this is about the viewer contacting a serice somewhere
2015-08-16 21:51 <Melanie_T> and i doubt we want to add udp packets
2015-08-16 21:52 <diva> yeah but not EQ. THe inventory CAPs for example are not EQ
2015-08-16 21:52 <dahlia> theres some generic packet in there that realxtend exploited once to add mesh
2015-08-16 21:52 <Melanie_T> it is about sim and viewer agreeing on features and the sim talking to the viewer. the viewer feature may entail the viewer calling home to the user home world
2015-08-16 21:52 <Melanie_T> but a clear bidi channel fo comms between viewer feature modules and server feature modules is required
2015-08-16 21:52 <Melanie_T> and the EQ is it
2015-08-16 21:52 <Melanie_T> the EQ is for sim initiated messages
2015-08-16 21:52 <dahlia> caps have the advantage of being relatively firewall friendly
2015-08-16 21:52 <Melanie_T> CAPS are for viewer initiated messages
2015-08-16 21:52 <dahlia> and eq
2015-08-16 21:53 <diva> yes
2015-08-16 21:53 <Melanie_T> so, sim-> viewer is EQ
2015-08-16 21:53 <Melanie_T> viewer->sim is caps
2015-08-16 21:53 <dahlia> caps and eq have the disadvantage of being ugly hacks :(
2015-08-16 21:53 <Melanie_T> i don't consider caps a hack
2015-08-16 21:53 <dahlia> eq certainly is
2015-08-16 21:53 <Melanie_T> the eq is one, but it leverages the http protocol to allow unsolicited messages
2015-08-16 21:54 <dahlia> caps implementation is (was) pretty ugly
2015-08-16 21:54 <Melanie_T> because we don't want the viewer to keep polling caps
2015-08-16 21:54 <diva> there will be some things that are viewer-initiated, especially to specific trusted services
2015-08-16 21:54 <misterblue> hack or not, it's the mechanism we have
2015-08-16 21:54 <Melanie_T> diva: so they will use caps and/or http requests to previously known addresses like the server the login was to
2015-08-16 21:54 <CmdrCupcake> diva: Waiting for cinder to get on irc/come back from random afkness
2015-08-16 21:54 <diva> yes
2015-08-16 21:55 <Melanie_T> but the sim needs to be able to send unsolicited messages so the eq also plays a role
2015-08-16 21:55 <CmdrCupcake> she handles that type of stuff for us
2015-08-16 21:55 <diva> My only question was how to recognize these new viewers, tell them apart from the regular ones
2015-08-16 21:55 <Melanie_T> as i said
2015-08-16 21:55 <Melanie_T> feature exchange via a cap
2015-08-16 21:55 <dahlia> and all the caps and eq stuff is very linden specific but much of it is scattered through core and ignores any multiple protocol interfaces
2015-08-16 21:55 <dahlia> so yes, ugly hack
2015-08-16 21:56 <Melanie_T> for the viewer features i was already planning to create an abstract communications channel interface
2015-08-16 21:56 <Melanie_T> i have that all mapped out in my head
2015-08-16 21:56 <CmdrCupcake> caps are a good thing to the viewer >.<
2015-08-16 21:56 <Melanie_T> the new interface for data transfer via tp/crossing is along the same lines
2015-08-16 21:56 <Melanie_T> standardizing interfaces that aren't lindenish
2015-08-16 21:57 <Melanie_T> basically, as far as opensim goes, i could say "I'm back" :)
2015-08-16 21:57 <dahlia> CmdrCupcake: I mean ugly hack in opensim implementation. Conceptionally they seem a good idea
2015-08-16 21:57 <CmdrCupcake> Ahhh okay.
2015-08-16 21:57 <Melanie_T> the issue with caps:
2015-08-16 21:57 <dahlia> Conceptually? hmmm...
2015-08-16 21:57 <dahlia> 
ACTION feels a bit like W

2015-08-16 21:57 <Melanie_T> - the original implementation was around classes, one class per cap. not really extensible
2015-08-16 21:58 <Melanie_T> - then, code was written that hand-assembles the caps. but old code wasn't converted
2015-08-16 21:58 <Melanie_T> - then, when modules were made to support caps, instead of abstracting caps, modules hard-coded caps
2015-08-16 21:58 <Melanie_T> so these modules are now totally linden-specific
2015-08-16 21:59 <Melanie_T> it needs to be abstracted
2015-08-16 21:59 <Melanie_T> and i guess this is the time to do that
2015-08-16 21:59 <dahlia> well most of scene is linden specific anyway so prolly not a bg deal
2015-08-16 21:59 <Melanie_T> yes and no
2015-08-16 21:59 <dahlia> *big
2015-08-16 21:59 <Melanie_T> while LL uses caps, oyher technologies may also
2015-08-16 21:59 <Melanie_T> it's a generic concept
2015-08-16 21:59 <Melanie_T> but more so
2015-08-16 21:59 <dahlia> caps are yes, but scene is not generic 
2015-08-16 21:59 <Melanie_T> other technologies may use something different
2015-08-16 22:00 <Melanie_T> which means that abstracting caps then means replacing the transport layer
2015-08-16 22:00 <Melanie_T> instead of changing code everywhere
2015-08-16 22:00 <Melanie_T> the most linden specific thing we have are prims.....
2015-08-16 22:00 <Melanie_T> which newbs love and all else hate
2015-08-16 22:01 <dahlia> and 2 level hierarchy and avatars
2015-08-16 22:01 <Melanie_T> yes, linking should be multilevel
2015-08-16 22:01 <misterblue> Melanie_T: one problem we have is the solution is in your head.... it would be a great help if you would send a short email in opensim-dev explaining what you have in mind
2015-08-16 22:01 <Melanie_T> whoch would also make joints much easier
2015-08-16 22:01 <Melanie_T> but avatars, other worlds/protocols have avatars, too
2015-08-16 22:01 <Melanie_T> misterblue: taks me more time to write it than to code it
2015-08-16 22:01 <misterblue> that would generate a lot of kabitzing which you would ignore... but we'd at least have a capture of the design direction
2015-08-16 22:02 <Melanie_T> you know me
2015-08-16 22:02 <misterblue> I'm not suggesting, gasp, documentation
2015-08-16 22:02 <Melanie_T> writing it in text first means i have to do double the work
2015-08-16 22:02 <Melanie_T> i've always let the code speak for itself
2015-08-16 22:02 <dahlia> scenepresence is very linden specific. Other engines usually just use the same type of node anything else has and adds a presence and a animated model and animation/movement controllers as compinents
2015-08-16 22:02 <misterblue> ya... but, like you said about config-include earlier today, you had a vision but none of us knew it
2015-08-16 22:02 <diva> ok, so let me see if I got it. On the SEED response, we send a new cap called NEXT_GEN or whatever. The viewers that understand that will then invoke it immediately, and that's how we know that these are NextGen viewers? Do we send anything special back to them in response? ... or are you suggesting that each module that has a next_gen feature registers its own NEXT_GEN_<module> to be sent 
2015-08-16 22:02 <diva> to the viewer? Remember some of these modules just need to know if it's a NextGen viewer or not, they don't necessarily need to send them events via EQ.
2015-08-16 22:03 <Melanie_T> look at my latest commits
2015-08-16 22:03 <Melanie_T> how i regster agent data items
2015-08-16 22:03 <Melanie_T> same way
2015-08-16 22:03 <Melanie_T> IViewerFeatureModule
2015-08-16 22:03 <Melanie_T> to be added tot he interfaces
2015-08-16 22:03 <Melanie_T> then implement the members
2015-08-16 22:04 <Melanie_T> RegisterModuleInterface picks it up
2015-08-16 22:04 <Melanie_T> the viewer sends a list of features it has
2015-08-16 22:04 <Melanie_T> like
2015-08-16 22:04 <Melanie_T> HealthBarDisplay
2015-08-16 22:04 <Melanie_T> SecureBriefcase
2015-08-16 22:04 <Melanie_T> ExtraAvatarData
2015-08-16 22:04 <Melanie_T> and we reply with the features modules have registered
2015-08-16 22:04 <Melanie_T> so we know what the viewer has
2015-08-16 22:05 <Melanie_T> and the viewer knows what we have
2015-08-16 22:05 <Melanie_T> so the viewer knows which extra data we understand
2015-08-16 22:05 <Melanie_T> and we know which extra data the viewer understands
2015-08-16 22:05 <nebadon> 
ACTION hands to melanie > http://prankit.net/assets/images/default/GWCAPGU.jpg

2015-08-16 22:05 <Melanie_T> this allows incremental evolution of plugins
2015-08-16 22:06 <Melanie_T> just lean backa nd watch
2015-08-16 22:06 <Melanie_T> it will be the best thing since slic^H^H^H^H ROBUST
2015-08-16 22:06 <diva> ok, it's more or less like my first option> NEXT_GEN cap, viewer invokes it sending a bunch of things it supports, we respond back sending a bunch of things we support
2015-08-16 22:06 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-08-16 22:06 <diva> gotcha
2015-08-16 22:07 <diva> sorta like a second SEED
2015-08-16 22:07 <Melanie_T> all in a conprehensive, easy to use framework that will be adopted quickly
2015-08-16 22:07 <diva> but for all these extra features
2015-08-16 22:08 <diva> sounds good. It's a feature handshake
2015-08-16 22:08 <Melanie_T> yup
2015-08-16 22:08 <CmdrCupcake> 
ACTION is thinking about implementation on the viewer end

2015-08-16 22:08 <Melanie_T> CmdrCupcake: we need to consider modules there 
2015-08-16 22:08 <Melanie_T> that users can download and snap in
2015-08-16 22:08 <Melanie_T> rather then monolithic viewer versions
2015-08-16 22:09 <CmdrCupcake> mmmm
2015-08-16 22:09 <Melanie_T> having to wait for a new version of the viewer that supports a given feature would hinder rapid development or adoption
2015-08-16 22:09 <CmdrCupcake> thats an even more fun discussion 
2015-08-16 22:09 <CmdrCupcake> we've played around with adding a lua extension api
2015-08-16 22:09 <CmdrCupcake> i've played with adding a js extension api
2015-08-16 22:09 <Melanie_T> yes we've been there and it's security implications
2015-08-16 22:09 <Melanie_T> LLUI in js :)
2015-08-16 22:10 <CmdrCupcake> Any addon will have security implications
2015-08-16 22:10 <CmdrCupcake> :P
2015-08-16 22:10 <diva> ++++++
2015-08-16 22:10 <Melanie_T> you know I had a plan there anyway
2015-08-16 22:10 <Melanie_T> but funding dried up
2015-08-16 22:10 <Melanie_T> i could do so much with a bit of money
2015-08-16 22:10 <CmdrCupcake> LiruCookies: pingping :3
2015-08-16 22:10 <Melanie_T> =^.^= ?
2015-08-16 22:10 <Melanie_T> >.>
2015-08-16 22:12 <CmdrCupcake> With the way the viewer is currently designed it's not really extension-system friendly
2015-08-16 22:17 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-08-16 22:18 <Melanie_T> what I would like to see is control of the nameplate, but not just the way the octopus does it
2015-08-16 22:18 <Melanie_T> but that as a real viewer feature
2015-08-16 22:18 <Melanie_T> and allowing graphical elements
2015-08-16 22:18 <Melanie_T> like health bars
2015-08-16 22:18 <Melanie_T> i know of at least 2 grids that would love it, besides m own
2015-08-16 22:18 <diva> +1
2015-08-16 22:18 <diva> (literally)
2015-08-16 22:18 <CmdrCupcake> adding healthbars and things isnt really that hard :P 
2015-08-16 22:19 <Melanie_T> well, their appearance should be server controlled
2015-08-16 22:19 <diva> CmdrCupcake it has to come server-side
2015-08-16 22:19 <diva> cos the server is the one that knows what kind of application is going on
2015-08-16 22:19 <diva> I have an urban planning grid
2015-08-16 22:20 <diva> I need to send all sorts of urban planning info to users
2015-08-16 22:20 <Melanie_T> and i have a urban warfare one :P
2015-08-16 22:20 <diva> right :D
2015-08-16 22:20 <Melanie_T> also, hud control
2015-08-16 22:20 <Melanie_T> basically, server controlled and server styles info to be in screen corners, top/bottom bars, etc
2015-08-16 22:21 <Melanie_T> thing diablo III's bottom panel
2015-08-16 22:21 <Melanie_T> think*
2015-08-16 22:21 <CmdrCupcake> I have never played diablo 3 amazingly :O
2015-08-16 22:21 <CmdrCupcake> i even own it lol
2015-08-16 22:21 <Melanie_T> wow so you haven't been to the secret pony level
2015-08-16 22:22 <Melanie_T> hint: getting there is part of the fun. get a hacktool and hack the gold because getting the gold is a stupid grind
2015-08-16 22:22 <CmdrCupcake> ......am i going to run away screaming?
2015-08-16 22:22 <Melanie_T> but play the story elements out
2015-08-16 22:22 <misterblue> everything should have a secret pony level
2015-08-16 22:22 <Melanie_T> don't just teleport to the secret level
2015-08-16 22:26 <diva> ok, so I know we all have great ambitions regarding the viewer, and such, but is thie extra feature handshake feasible with just little bit a work on the viewer side, not a lot?
2015-08-16 22:26 <Melanie_T> it's a c&p of the seed cap, lol
2015-08-16 22:26 <diva> it's SEED2, really
2015-08-16 22:27 <diva> I mean it could even be SEED itself if it sent data along, rather than fetching only
2015-08-16 22:27 <diva> the current SEED request is just a pull of data
2015-08-16 22:28 <Melanie_T> nope
2015-08-16 22:28 <Melanie_T> the current seed is a feature negotiation
2015-08-16 22:28 <Melanie_T> viewer sends all caps it knows
2015-08-16 22:28 <diva> does it?
2015-08-16 22:28 <Melanie_T> server gives back the subset that it has
2015-08-16 22:28 <diva> let me check
2015-08-16 22:29 <Melanie_T> but dding to the current seed, which LL controls the featureset of, is more work to maintain than having one of our own
2015-08-16 22:29 <LiruCookies> Meow
2015-08-16 22:30 <Melanie_T> LiruCookies: tl;dr : Melanie's back and kicking ass :)
2015-08-16 22:31 <diva> :)
2015-08-16 22:31 <H-H-H> o crap now were in trouble
2015-08-16 22:32 <diva> you;re right. I had never noiticed that the SEED request is a feature negotiation
2015-08-16 22:33 <diva> I htought it was just "send me all you have"
2015-08-16 22:33 <Melanie_T> in fact, that was how it was originally coded
2015-08-16 22:34 <Melanie_T> i changed that as soon as we were allowed to read viewer code
2015-08-16 22:34 <Melanie_T> i have to admit, i'm responsible for much caps messiness
2015-08-16 22:35 <Melanie_T> because to be able to use caps not yet implemented in OMV meant cutting some corners
2015-08-16 22:35 <Melanie_T> and those corners found their way into modules
2015-08-16 22:35 <Melanie_T> but i'll set it straight
2015-08-16 22:38 <LiruCookies> Healthbar in tag could be done with octopus, using unicode.
2015-08-16 22:38 <LiruCookies> Those little bars
2015-08-16 22:39 <diva> what's wrong with having caps in modules?
2015-08-16 22:39 <diva> at least now they're all in the same dll...
2015-08-16 22:40 <LiruCookies> Mew?
2015-08-16 22:40 <diva> I had to hunt them down at some point and place them all in the same place
2015-08-16 22:40 <Melanie_T> what i want to do
2015-08-16 22:41 <Melanie_T> is to have a generic message interface
2015-08-16 22:41 <Melanie_T> you pass a name/value bag
2015-08-16 22:41 <Melanie_T> and a message name
2015-08-16 22:41 <Melanie_T> and an event will fire if that message is received
2015-08-16 22:41 <Melanie_T> and pass back a filled bag
2015-08-16 22:42 <Melanie_T> it's totally format agnostic
2015-08-16 22:42 <Melanie_T> can do caps just as easily as google protocol buffers
2015-08-16 22:42 <diva> ok
2015-08-16 22:42 <diva> that'd be nice
2015-08-16 22:43 <Melanie_T> so the caps part moves completely into the LLClient area
2015-08-16 22:43 <diva> it already is...
2015-08-16 22:43 <diva> they're all in LindenCaps
2015-08-16 22:43 <diva> but there is no abstraction beyond that
2015-08-16 22:44 <Melanie_T> i'm not sure of there is any direct OSD building for the data still around
2015-08-16 22:44 <Melanie_T> that adheres to linden standards or naming
2015-08-16 22:44 <diva> they're in CapabiulityHandlers too.
2015-08-16 22:44 <Melanie_T> well, that is useless for what we're going to do
2015-08-16 22:44 <diva> what's useless? the handlers?
2015-08-16 22:44 <Melanie_T> beause what we're looking to do depends on modules being able to handle a caps abstraction for caps that aren't known to core
2015-08-16 22:45 <Melanie_T> right now you still need to implement the handler in core
2015-08-16 22:45 <Melanie_T> my system will stop that
2015-08-16 22:45 <Melanie_T> and allow the LLClient system (or any other client) to build a "Message" from data supplied by a module
2015-08-16 22:45 <Melanie_T> and in LL, that would take the form of a cap
2015-08-16 22:46 <Melanie_T> but with another client module it may well be a websocket message
2015-08-16 22:46 <Melanie_T> or webrtp packet
2015-08-16 22:46 <diva> ok just make sure that this is generic enough not to be tied to the simulator, because some of those messages may be served from servers elsewhere
2015-08-16 22:46 <CmdrCupcake> Oh do you guys have any plans to support the newer inventory system?
2015-08-16 22:46 <diva> like the inventory caps, for example -- those can easily be pulled away from the simulator
2015-08-16 22:47 <diva> CmdrCupcake I still don't undersatand what that comprises...
2015-08-16 22:47 <Melanie_T> diva: this interface IS tied to the simulator. connecting from the viewer to elsewhere is outside the purview of this
2015-08-16 22:47 <CmdrCupcake> whole new set of CAPS
2015-08-16 22:47 <Melanie_T> that is between the viewer plugin and the external server
2015-08-16 22:48 <CmdrCupcake> let me see if i can find the docu on it
2015-08-16 22:48 <Melanie_T> right now, this step, is to allow modules to do passing of messages NOT known to core
2015-08-16 22:48 <Melanie_T> in a client agnostic way
2015-08-16 22:48 <CmdrCupcake> i remember a linden sent us an email like a year ago
2015-08-16 22:48 <diva> is inventory in that new system being pulled directly from an inventory service and not proxied by the simulator?
2015-08-16 22:49 <CmdrCupcake> it still uses sim caps
2015-08-16 22:49 <diva> oh (disappointed)
2015-08-16 22:51 <diva> I just don't get it why they don't have the viewer pull inventory from an inventory service. But... we can. We just need to add an extra little step of creating a secure cap in the inventory service
2015-08-16 22:51 <CmdrCupcake> I know why :P
2015-08-16 22:51 <CmdrCupcake> If you've ever seen the log file from a linden simulator server you'd understand
2015-08-16 22:51 <CmdrCupcake> lol
2015-08-16 22:51 <diva> tell!
2015-08-16 22:52 <diva> what's wrong?
2015-08-16 22:52 <CmdrCupcake> It's all scary intricate on their end
2015-08-16 22:52 <CmdrCupcake> And they don't want anyone to be able to DOS the inventory service its self.
2015-08-16 22:52 <CmdrCupcake> you can already use secondlife prims to perform DOS attacks lol
2015-08-16 22:53 <diva> 
ACTION rolls eyes

2015-08-16 22:53 <CmdrCupcake> so proxying it through the simulator adds a certain level of security
2015-08-16 22:54 <diva> well I have experimented sending the inventory CAPs straight to point to an inventory service and it works great
2015-08-16 22:54 <CmdrCupcake> grrr i know theres a doc on the inventory service
2015-08-16 22:55 <CmdrCupcake> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Inventory_API_v3
2015-08-16 22:55 <misterblue> the 'modern web' has API management service to throttle bad guys
2015-08-16 22:55 <CmdrCupcake> found it!
2015-08-16 22:56 <misterblue> what Mel is talking about is a system to be able to implement a module that does 'new inventory
2015-08-16 22:57 <diva> CmdrCupcake what does "category" mean?
2015-08-16 22:57 <diva> is it "folder"?
2015-08-16 22:57 <CmdrCupcake> category = folder
2015-08-16 22:58 <diva> 
ACTION does more eye rolls

2015-08-16 22:58 <Melanie_T> although why anyone would want new inventory is beyond me
2015-08-16 22:59 <Melanie_T> that protocol is insanely overengineered
2015-08-16 22:59 <CmdrCupcake> the viewer doesnt really handle fallbacks to old inventory that uh...well
2015-08-16 22:59 <CmdrCupcake> x.x
2015-08-16 22:59 <Melanie_T> i've had no issues with the caps inventory avination uses
2015-08-16 23:00 <Melanie_T> and yes it's massively different from core
2015-08-16 23:00 <dahlia> what's "new inventory"?
2015-08-16 23:00 <Melanie_T> LL have published an overenginnered new way to handle inventory
2015-08-16 23:01 <Melanie_T> it's overcomplex for such a simple task
2015-08-16 23:01 <dahlia> how long ago?
2015-08-16 23:01 <CmdrCupcake> year ago.
2015-08-16 23:01 <dahlia> well they add stuff like integrating their store and whatnot
2015-08-16 23:01 <CmdrCupcake> singularity just go it hammered in a few weeks ago because hand-merging
2015-08-16 23:01 <CmdrCupcake> and firestorm took forever because the RLV code is...rlv code.
2015-08-16 23:01 <CmdrCupcake> lol
2015-08-16 23:02 <dahlia> restrained firestorm developers?
2015-08-16 23:02 <Melanie_T> lol
2015-08-16 23:02 <Melanie_T> if only
2015-08-16 23:02 <misterblue> love is not a simple thing... even if restrained
2015-08-16 23:02 <dahlia> Jessica keeps her whips handy?
2015-08-16 23:03 <CmdrCupcake> on the viewer end AIS is much nicer then the old udp stuff x.x
2015-08-16 23:03 <Melanie_T> do whips and chains excite you, dahlia ?
2015-08-16 23:03 <dahlia> Melanie_T: nothing much excites me any more, sorry :(
2015-08-16 23:03 <Melanie_T> CmdrCupcake: the caps inventory (v2) works well, why this new mess?
2015-08-16 23:05 <CmdrCupcake> Melanie_T: Wasn't the last inventory caps api just about fetching though?
2015-08-16 23:05 <CmdrCupcake> 
ACTION doesn't want to go stare into the code right now 

2015-08-16 23:06 <Melanie_T> not sure if there was also updating
2015-08-16 23:06 <CmdrCupcake> 
ACTION looked at the code

2015-08-16 23:06 <CmdrCupcake> there wasnt
2015-08-16 23:06 <CmdrCupcake> its purely about fetching.
2015-08-16 23:06 <diva> no updating, nop
2015-08-16 23:06 <diva> just fetching
2015-08-16 23:06 <CmdrCupcake> everything else was done over udp
2015-08-16 23:06 <diva> yes
2015-08-16 23:06 <CmdrCupcake> so thats why new inventory protocol :P
2015-08-16 23:07 <diva> ic
2015-08-16 23:07 <diva> it looks a bit fat indeed, and I hate that they use the word category when they mean folder
2015-08-16 23:07 <Melanie_T> could just as well have simply added update caps
2015-08-16 23:07 <diva> wth with that?
2015-08-16 23:08 <CmdrCupcake> iirc folders are just assets on their impl though
2015-08-16 23:08 <Melanie_T> i doubt it
2015-08-16 23:08 <Melanie_T> else they'd get massive bloat
2015-08-16 23:09 <diva> still. it's folder assets
2015-08-16 23:09 <diva> where does the word category come from? some dinossaur conceot?
2015-08-16 23:09 <Melanie_T> i'm ot really d'accord with OMV removing the AssetType.XXXFilder constants
2015-08-16 23:09 <Melanie_T> i think it came from the system folders
2015-08-16 23:10 <Melanie_T> because the original concept may not have contained the concept of user folders
2015-08-16 23:10 <Melanie_T> and the system folders are actually "categories" of content
2015-08-16 23:10 <CmdrCupcake> they've always referred to folders as categories in their own docs/stuff
2015-08-16 23:11 <CmdrCupcake> there just happens to be an enum for "folder types" -.-
2015-08-16 23:11 <CmdrCupcake> 
ACTION grumbles about inconsistency

2015-08-16 23:11 <diva> well, updates are good. this could potentially be very good for the hypergrid, if we keep the viewer pointing to the home inventory service
2015-08-16 23:11 <diva> rather than using the sim as proxy
2015-08-16 23:13 <diva> CmdrCupcake what does the viewer do if the sim doesn't send inventory CAPs? Does it use the previous CAP RULs it had?
2015-08-16 23:13 <diva> or doe it imple stop doing inventory operations?
2015-08-16 23:14 <diva> simply
2015-08-16 23:14 <CmdrCupcake> lets see
2015-08-16 23:14 <CmdrCupcake> currently fetch is still done via the Fetch* caps
2015-08-16 23:14 <CmdrCupcake> there's a note that says eventually convert to AIS3
2015-08-16 23:14 <CmdrCupcake> and the rest checks if the cap is there and if not fall back to UDP
2015-08-16 23:14 <diva> and if the person teleports and the new sim doesn't send a new cap, does the viewer use the old one?
2015-08-16 23:15 <diva> oh
2015-08-16 23:15 <diva> it reverts to udp?
2015-08-16 23:15 <CmdrCupcake> yeah inventory update operations have always been udp
2015-08-16 23:16 <CmdrCupcake> only fetch was ever moved to http
2015-08-16 23:16 <diva> and does fetch revert to udp if the new sim doesn't send a new cap?
2015-08-16 23:16 <diva> after tp
2015-08-16 23:16 <CmdrCupcake> sec
2015-08-16 23:17 <Melanie_T> i doubt there are still sims out there with udp fetch
2015-08-16 23:17 <CmdrCupcake> yeaaah.
2015-08-16 23:17 <CmdrCupcake> and fallback to udp fetch is manual
2015-08-16 23:17 <CmdrCupcake> you have to disable http inv fetch option
2015-08-16 23:17 <diva> wait waht. so it uses the old cap url it had?
2015-08-16 23:18 <CmdrCupcake> erhh
2015-08-16 23:18 <CmdrCupcake> no it just fails lol
2015-08-16 23:18 <diva> say I'm in a sim, the sim sent inventory CAPs to the viewer. Now I TP to another sim, the viewer requests new inventory caps, but the new sim doesn't send them
2015-08-16 23:18 <CmdrCupcake> no cap = fetch fail unless disable http inventory fetch option
2015-08-16 23:18 <diva> fails?
2015-08-16 23:18 <CmdrCupcake> which makes me kinda lol
2015-08-16 23:19 <CmdrCupcake> well you kinda need to say which inventory cap.
2015-08-16 23:19 <CmdrCupcake> There's several :P
2015-08-16 23:19 <CmdrCupcake> Fall back paths are different for each one
2015-08-16 23:19 <diva> FetchInventory for example
2015-08-16 23:19 <diva> or one of these new AIS ones
2015-08-16 23:19 <misterblue> and dialogs which say you need to download the new viewer
2015-08-16 23:20 <misterblue> they kinda expect the viewers to get updated
2015-08-16 23:20 <CmdrCupcake> AIS just falls back to udp
2015-08-16 23:20 <CmdrCupcake> uhh
2015-08-16 23:20 <CmdrCupcake> trying to unwind the fallback path for fetchinventory
2015-08-16 23:20 <CmdrCupcake> its...tricky
2015-08-16 23:21 <CmdrCupcake> okay yeah if FetchInventory* are missing it attempts to fallback to udp
2015-08-16 23:21 <CmdrCupcake> how well that actually works anymore is...unknown
2015-08-16 23:22 <diva> ok
2015-08-16 23:22 <diva> anyway, grrr. I was not even interested in talking about inventory today, but it's such a hassle
2015-08-16 23:22 <diva> I was planning ahead
2015-08-16 23:22 <diva> to do things like the viewer sending confirmation of friendship to the home world
2015-08-16 23:23 <diva> that's why I need to know if it's a new or regular viewer
2015-08-16 23:29 <Melanie_T> well, there is more than friendship
2015-08-16 23:29 <Melanie_T> there's also inventory
2015-08-16 23:29 <diva> exactly. grrr
2015-08-16 23:29 <Melanie_T> a really working suitcase loaded/managed on the home world
2015-08-16 23:29 <Melanie_T> and/or, potentially, full inventory access
2015-08-16 23:29 <Melanie_T> if the home world allows
2015-08-16 23:29 <Melanie_T> and in a secure fashion
2015-08-16 23:47 <diva> anyway, back to the beginning. Let's assume I just want to do friendship confirmation away from the home world. There's no cap involved as such; there's only knowledge of the homeworld that the viewer acquired at login. How do I (i.e. the foreign sim) know that this is a next generation viewer that will contact the homeworld? Because I (the sime) will do one thing if it is one type of 
2015-08-16 23:47 <diva> viewer and another if it's a regular viewer
2015-08-16 23:49 <Melanie_T> the viewer has a feature module
2015-08-16 23:50 <Melanie_T> that does the homeworld friends
2015-08-16 23:50 <Melanie_T> it has commnicated that in the feature negotiation
2015-08-16 23:50 <diva> oh ok
2015-08-16 23:50 <Melanie_T> so you just look inthe dictionaryon the client
2015-08-16 23:50 <diva> duh
2015-08-16 23:50 <diva> fine
2015-08-16 23:50 <diva> I can bite that
2015-08-16 23:50 <Melanie_T> in this case no cap is invoked
2015-08-16 23:51 <Melanie_T> although you MAY want to queue an EQ message to the viewer
2015-08-16 23:51 <Melanie_T> to tell it to check the home whold for friend requests
2015-08-16 23:51 <Melanie_T> after the home world confirms the message from the sim
2015-08-16 23:51 <Melanie_T> like this
2015-08-16 23:51 <Melanie_T> sim->homeworld: add friend
2015-08-16 23:52 <Melanie_T> homeworld->sim: ready
2015-08-16 23:52 <Melanie_T> sim->viewer:check homeworld firends
2015-08-16 23:52 <Melanie_T> viewer->homeworld: get friends reuests
2015-08-16 23:52 <Melanie_T> viewer->hoeworld: accept firend(s)
2015-08-16 23:52 <Melanie_T> viewer->sim: friend accepted (so the sim can update the other party's status)
2015-08-16 23:54 <Melanie_T> with alt flow:
2015-08-16 23:54 <Melanie_T> viewer->homeworld: reject friend
2015-08-16 23:55 <Melanie_T> viewer->sim: friend rejected
2015-08-16 23:55 <Melanie_T> sim->viewer:check homeworld fiiends would be via the EQ
2015-08-16 23:56 <Melanie_T> and viewer->sim: friend rejected or viewer->sim: friend accepted via a cap
2015-08-16 23:57 <Melanie_T> the viewer->homeworld comms would be via a static URL, using the shared secret session id to authenticate
2015-08-16 23:57 <Melanie_T> this url may well be the gatekeeper
2015-08-16 23:58 <diva> ok, I'll think about this. it's a bit more complicated than just a simple confirmation, but would pick up pending requests that may have come from elsewhere 
2015-08-17 00:00 <Melanie_T> it's the sane way to do this
2015-08-17 00:01 <Melanie_T> 
ACTION intones Believe Me, I'm A Software Architect

2015-08-17 00:31 <notskittles> CmdrCupcake said i should login here, but that was 2 hours ago.
2015-08-17 00:49 <CmdrCupcake> diva: poke
2015-08-17 00:49 <diva> poke back
2015-08-17 00:49 <diva> oh hi notskittles
2015-08-17 00:49 <notskittles> hi
2015-08-17 00:50 <Melanie_T> notskittles: maybe a good idea to idle here with the rest of us
2015-08-17 00:50 <diva> we're were talking about the friendship confirmation again. I think we should go with something that requires changes to the viewer. Then that conversation got a bit more ambitious
2015-08-17 00:50 <diva> and the idea is something like this, but I wanted to know how hard it is to implement on the viewer side
2015-08-17 00:50 <diva> here goes
2015-08-17 00:51 <notskittles> i have to ssh tunnel to freenode so i can't stay in the channel 24/7. :(
2015-08-17 00:51 <diva> let's call these new viewers NG-NextGeneration for lack of a better word. I'll use NG
2015-08-17 00:51 <Melanie_T> VNG, like TNG?
2015-08-17 00:51 <Melanie_T> anyway
2015-08-17 00:51 <Melanie_T> the idea is to allow fully functional viewer plugins
2015-08-17 00:52 <Melanie_T> a feature negotaitation protocol
2015-08-17 00:52 <Melanie_T> and a new opensim-side abstraction layer to communicate with that system
2015-08-17 00:52 <diva> ok, Melanie is faster :)
2015-08-17 00:52 <diva> go ahead
2015-08-17 00:52 <notskittles> viewer plugins is something i've wanted forever.
2015-08-17 00:52 <diva> <3
2015-08-17 00:52 <Melanie_T> lot of work and the different way different viewers like to render things may also need to be considered
2015-08-17 00:53 <Melanie_T> but besides full LLUI access, those plugins should also be able to provide HUDs and alternative nameplate (graphical), think health meters, etc
2015-08-17 00:53 <Melanie_T> even ways to flash "great", "excellent", "knockout" etc near an avatar
2015-08-17 00:53 <Melanie_T> thing elsword
2015-08-17 00:53 <Melanie_T> think*
2015-08-17 00:53 <Melanie_T> and huds
2015-08-17 00:54 <Melanie_T> think diablo III
2015-08-17 00:55 <dahlia> I've heard TurboBadger isn't too bad (UI toolkit for GL/D3D)
2015-08-17 00:55 <diva> (all I want to do right now is friendship confirmation, so a little less ambitious :)
2015-08-17 00:55 <Melanie_T> lol
2015-08-17 00:55 <Melanie_T> i won't give that to you :P
2015-08-17 00:55 <Melanie_T> you'll get the whole package
2015-08-17 00:55 <Melanie_T> ;)
2015-08-17 00:55 <diva> we know that!
2015-08-17 00:55 <Melanie_T> well, serverside anyway
2015-08-17 00:56 <dahlia> https://github.com/fruxo/turbobadger
2015-08-17 00:56 <notskittles> a while back i wrote a lua-jit plugin framework that had full control the message system (less money functions so nobody would write a plugin to clean our your balance) and a little bit of floater building capability so they could write small ui for the plugins.
2015-08-17 00:57 <Melanie_T> well, this goes further yet not as far
2015-08-17 00:57 <Melanie_T> because the plugins would not be loaded from the server
2015-08-17 00:58 <Melanie_T> users would have to install them as a conscious act
2015-08-17 00:58 <notskittles> oh, this was all client side.
2015-08-17 00:58 <Melanie_T> at least those the viewer devs have not yet marked as sane and included in their distro
2015-08-17 00:58 <notskittles> i was thinking a while back of resurrecting it in javascript form.
2015-08-17 00:58 <Melanie_T> so no problem exposing money functions
2015-08-17 00:58 <notskittles> for things like camera paths.
2015-08-17 00:58 <Melanie_T> because it doesn't make a difference in the world
2015-08-17 00:59 <Melanie_T> if the user downloads and installs a viewer plugin
2015-08-17 00:59 <Melanie_T> or attaches a money stealing prim
2015-08-17 00:59 <Melanie_T> so, that's an unreasonable limitation
2015-08-17 00:59 <Melanie_T> because i believe many plugin wirters will offer "in-app" purchases
2015-08-17 00:59 <Melanie_T> no matter if that is for weapons/armor
2015-08-17 00:59 <notskittles> 
ACTION nods.

2015-08-17 00:59 <Melanie_T> or a tiny empires reroll
2015-08-17 01:00 <dahlia> lol tiny empires
2015-08-17 01:00 <Melanie_T> personally i despise wallet warriors
2015-08-17 01:00 <Melanie_T> but, it floats some people's boats
2015-08-17 01:00 <dahlia> I miss my tiny empires bot downline :(
2015-08-17 01:01 <dahlia> that was the most fun I ever had in SL
2015-08-17 01:01 <diva> so are we talking about the second feature negotiation procotol? How's that to implement, notskittles? Hard, simple?
2015-08-17 01:02 <Melanie_T> jjst Believe Me already
2015-08-17 01:02 <Melanie_T> it's easy
2015-08-17 01:02 <notskittles> i don't think it would be very hard.
2015-08-17 01:02 <Melanie_T> i did poke at the viewer source
2015-08-17 01:02 <Melanie_T> and it's trivial
2015-08-17 01:03 <diva> basically as response to the first SEED cap we would send a special cap called maybe, I don't know, SEED2. Then the viewer sends info about what it supports, and we send back about what we support
2015-08-17 01:03 <diva> in that SEED2
2015-08-17 01:04 <diva> that way my friends module know that this viewer is a NG viewer
2015-08-17 01:04 <Melanie_T> it doesnt' have to be named seed
2015-08-17 01:04 <Melanie_T> and i'd vote it shouldn't be
2015-08-17 01:04 <diva> yeah SEED2 sucks
2015-08-17 01:04 <notskittles> yeah, that's simple.
2015-08-17 01:04 <Melanie_T> name it, like, OpenSimExtraFeatures
2015-08-17 01:04 <Melanie_T> LL won't be using THAT name anytime soon
2015-08-17 01:04 <diva> noooo we already have that somewhere!
2015-08-17 01:04 <Melanie_T> no
2015-08-17 01:04 <Melanie_T> we have SimulatorExtraFeatures
2015-08-17 01:05 <Melanie_T> and that is a data division, in the exiting SimulatorFeatures cap
2015-08-17 01:05 <diva> one of the fields in it is called OpenSimExtra
2015-08-17 01:05 <Melanie_T> not a cap in and of itself
2015-08-17 01:05 <Melanie_T> the point is
2015-08-17 01:05 <Melanie_T> LL will not use a name that has OpenSIm in it
2015-08-17 01:05 <Melanie_T> so it's safe
2015-08-17 01:06 <diva> ok, let's call it OpenSimSeed?
2015-08-17 01:06 <Melanie_T> and there is no reason i can't name a cap that
2015-08-17 01:06 <Melanie_T> NO
2015-08-17 01:06 <diva> it is, after all, a seed of sorts
2015-08-17 01:06 <Melanie_T> it is NOT a seed!
2015-08-17 01:06 <diva> hehhe
2015-08-17 01:06 <Melanie_T> a seed is provided by the referring entity
2015-08-17 01:06 <Melanie_T> not by the entity itsef
2015-08-17 01:06 <notskittles> i'd bet money they won't add anything to the login process anyway.
2015-08-17 01:06 <notskittles> oz shudders any time i mention doing anything like that.
2015-08-17 01:07 <Melanie_T> at 1000000:1 for adding, I'd bet $1 of you can cover $1m
2015-08-17 01:07 <Melanie_T> i might be able to scrape up $1
2015-08-17 01:07 <Melanie_T> 
ACTION counts her quarters and dimes

2015-08-17 01:07 <notskittles> i'll ask my boss to spot me $1m, he's a gambling man.
2015-08-17 01:07 <Melanie_T> lol
2015-08-17 01:08 <Melanie_T> since it's magic
2015-08-17 01:08 <Melanie_T> let's name it xyzzy
2015-08-17 01:08 <Melanie_T> omg did i jyst show my age? lol
2015-08-17 01:09 <notskittles> lol i was adding xyzzy to the slurl scheme this weekend. shhhh
2015-08-17 01:09 <notskittles> it's an easter egg.
2015-08-17 01:09 <Melanie_T> lol
2015-08-17 01:09 <dahlia> Melanie_T is in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike
2015-08-17 01:09 <notskittles> x-grid-location-info://www.mygrid.com/app/xyzzy/cinder might do something in the viewer
2015-08-17 01:10 <Melanie_T> the solution for "You can't get it up the steps" is "Plugh" 
2015-08-17 01:10 <dahlia> I kinda like the part where you say "blast"
2015-08-17 01:11 <Melanie_T> I like the "kill dragon" part
2015-08-17 01:11 <dahlia> (it has something to do with winning the game)
2015-08-17 01:11 <Plugh> Someone said my name?  :)
2015-08-17 01:11 <dahlia> you mean with the little bird?
2015-08-17 01:12 <Plugh> yea, xyzzy is the other magic word in the game.
2015-08-17 01:12 <Plugh> You just have to know where to use it.
2015-08-17 01:12 <diva> ok, so I"m going to proceed with the assumption that this will happen
2015-08-17 01:12 <Melanie_T> why yes, at Y2
2015-08-17 01:12 <Melanie_T> dahlia: no
2015-08-17 01:13 <Melanie_T> "kill dragon"
2015-08-17 01:13 <Melanie_T> "With whatm your bare hands?"
2015-08-17 01:13 <Melanie_T> "Yes"
2015-08-17 01:13 <Plugh> The bird takes care of the snake.
2015-08-17 01:13 <dahlia> I had this totally cool copy of a hand drawn colossal cave map once, I know it's somewhere but no idea where to look
2015-08-17 01:13 <Melanie_T> unbelievable, you just killed a dragon with your bare hands!"
2015-08-17 01:13 <Melanie_T> "There is a persion rug here"
2015-08-17 01:13 <dahlia> oh ya the bird does the snake, I forgot
2015-08-17 01:13 <Plugh> Melanie_T: yea, that is a fun part of the game.
2015-08-17 01:13 <diva> "this" being something whose embodiement in the code of opensim is still TBD, especially if you want to reorg the way caps are embodied, Melanie. For the time being I'll just to caps the way we have been doing
2015-08-17 01:13 <Plugh> I suppose we are all showing our age?  
2015-08-17 01:14 <diva> I'm 29
2015-08-17 01:14 <diva> :D
2015-08-17 01:14 <diva> forever
2015-08-17 01:14 <dahlia> I'm 28 :P
2015-08-17 01:14 <Melanie_T> diva: don't
2015-08-17 01:14 <Melanie_T> or i will convert every other caps use but yours
2015-08-17 01:14 <diva> hehe
2015-08-17 01:14 <Melanie_T> and blame you for the build break
2015-08-17 01:14 <dahlia> 0.o
2015-08-17 01:14 <diva> ok, are you serious that you want to reorg all that code, like, soon?
2015-08-17 01:14 <diva> cos there's a ton of caps
2015-08-17 01:15 <diva> so many that at somepoint I just made a file called BunchOfCaps
2015-08-17 01:15 <diva> I was tired of givign a module to each
2015-08-17 01:15 <Melanie_T> I know
2015-08-17 01:15 <Melanie_T> all that will go away
2015-08-17 01:15 <Melanie_T> it has to
2015-08-17 01:15 <dahlia> while you're at it, caps seem to assume that you can only have one method (GET, POST, PUT) associated with a cap but LL has deviated from that (in materials protocol)
2015-08-17 01:15 <Melanie_T> we captured UDP within the llclient
2015-08-17 01:16 <notskittles> whew, glad i've been putting mine in in invidivual files. :D
2015-08-17 01:16 <Melanie_T> but knowledge of ll specific caps isn't yet abstracted
2015-08-17 01:16 <Melanie_T> it needs to be
2015-08-17 01:16 <Melanie_T> or we'll never have a bextgen web viewer
2015-08-17 01:16 <dahlia> bextgen?
2015-08-17 01:16 <Melanie_T> :P
2015-08-17 01:16 <diva> power to you, sister.
2015-08-17 01:16 <Melanie_T> next
2015-08-17 01:16 <dahlia> (fwiw, I dont use any caps in my web viewer)
2015-08-17 01:17 <Melanie_T> this point is one i was aiming for 2 years ago
2015-08-17 01:17 <Melanie_T> viewer devs and opensim devs working together
2015-08-17 01:17 <smxy> You did it all in lower case? ;)
2015-08-17 01:17 <Melanie_T> departure from the sl straitjacket
2015-08-17 01:17 <diva> dahlia this leads me to another, unrelated question. It's related to the earlier conversation about plugins.
2015-08-17 01:17 <dahlia> hmm?
2015-08-17 01:18 <notskittles> btw, i think CmdrCupcake mentioned but i'm porting my message inspector which incluces caps logging into alchemy which will make it easier if you want to see what specific sl caps are doing.
2015-08-17 01:18 <diva> when you did your web viewer, did you encapsulate the WebSockets protocol in s dll "parallel" to LindenUCP? Or how did you plugin your protocol? Plain region module?
2015-08-17 01:18 <diva> wat plugin mechanism did you use?
2015-08-17 01:19 <misterblue> 
ACTION has done both -- new llclient and totally separate module... for me that latter was easier

2015-08-17 01:19 <dahlia> diva: its all a region module. I first used the websocket code that Teravus added to core but I had reliablility issues with it, so now I use "Fleck" and give it it's own http port
2015-08-17 01:19 <diva> in a region module?
2015-08-17 01:19 <dahlia> yes
2015-08-17 01:19 <diva> ok, great
2015-08-17 01:19 <dahlia> no IClientAP
2015-08-17 01:19 <dahlia> no IClientAPI
2015-08-17 01:20 <Melanie_T> what did you use to mitigate link saturation?
2015-08-17 01:20 <diva> cos the other "renegade" is the llclient dll. It's also not using region modules
2015-08-17 01:20 <dahlia> link saturation?
2015-08-17 01:20 <Melanie_T> since websockets is not unreliable
2015-08-17 01:20 <dahlia> oh
2015-08-17 01:20 <Melanie_T> you'd saturat the link with object updates
2015-08-17 01:20 <Melanie_T> and fall behind
2015-08-17 01:20 <Melanie_T> webrtp wasn't there when you did this afaik
2015-08-17 01:20 <misterblue> have to do your own scheduling
2015-08-17 01:21 <dahlia> well the socket does saturate initally (which is why you see the camera bouncing while the scene loads in that one demo I have up)
2015-08-17 01:21 <dahlia> but afterwards it stays pretty clean 
2015-08-17 01:21 <Melanie_T> i'm looking at webrtp
2015-08-17 01:21 <Melanie_T> it's getting to the point where it is usable
2015-08-17 01:22 <dahlia> but yes, a good alternative to udp r not websockets, but no choice
2015-08-17 01:22 <Melanie_T> c++ code, emscriptem, asm.js, webrtp
2015-08-17 01:22 <Melanie_T> getting there
2015-08-17 01:22 <notskittles> \o/
2015-08-17 01:22 <dahlia> good luck with that
2015-08-17 01:22 <dahlia> I hope you mean webrtc tho
2015-08-17 01:22 <Melanie_T> er
2015-08-17 01:22 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-08-17 01:23 <Melanie_T> small lapses late at nite
2015-08-17 01:23 <dahlia> I get much better performance with hand crafted javascript than emscripten+asm.js
2015-08-17 01:25 <dahlia> Melanie_T: the bouncng you see while the scene is loading is from the websocket being saturated http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/webglView/
2015-08-17 01:25 <CmdrCupcake> I've always had the opposite, unless its asm.js on anything-not-firefox lol
2015-08-17 01:26 <dahlia> depends on what you are doing
2015-08-17 01:27 <smxy> Isn't it 4 or 5 in the morning there Melanie_T? 
2015-08-17 01:27 <Melanie_T> not that late
2015-08-17 01:27 <Melanie_T> but getting there
2015-08-17 01:27 <dahlia> building lists in typed arrays from stl collections isnt too cache friendly in asm.js
2015-08-17 01:27 <dahlia> and sorting them is.... even worse than sorting js objects
2015-08-17 01:27 <dahlia> or arrays
2015-08-17 01:48 <nebadon> http://hothardware.com/news/samsung-hulk-smashes-storage-records-with-epic-16tb-enterprise-ssd
2015-08-17 01:58 <dahlia> ya I saw that
2015-08-17 01:58 <dahlia> *wants 2*
2015-08-17 01:59 <nebadon> pffft i need 10!
2015-08-17 01:59 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-17 01:59 <dahlia> ya for your osgrid inventory
2015-08-17 01:59 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-17 02:39 <nebadon> http://opengameart.org
2015-08-17 04:24 <osmantis> Bug #7684:04 Dialog box reports Unknown User as owner if owner is an HG user 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7684 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-17 04:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #4285 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-17 04:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4285: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4285/
2015-08-17 04:34 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: MANTIS-7684 - Use the user management module to get username for script dialogs
2015-08-17 04:34 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Minor improvement of previous patch.
2015-08-17 04:52 <lillith_xue> oh, i think i found a bug, or is it maybe misconfiguration? i managed to login the same Avatar 2 times with 2 Clients to my Grid, on the 1st Viewer the Avatar disappeared, while i was able to move on the 2nd viewer
2015-08-17 04:54 <lillith_xue> it looks like the Viewer isn't told that the Avatar is being logged off
2015-08-17 05:16 <dahlia> lillith_xue: if you have access to the region console, type "show users" and see if the region thinks there are 2 there by the same name
2015-08-17 05:30 <lillith_xue> i retried it while watching the region-console. It seems the old avatar is getting logged off, but the viewer seem not to know
2015-08-17 05:30 <lillith_xue> you see derezing the avatar
2015-08-17 05:30 <lillith_xue> after some time (maybe a timeout) i get the disconnected message
2015-08-17 05:35 <dahlia> ya I guess it would be a bug if the same account could be logged in simultaneously and both could function. If one is disabled when the other logs in but takes a while to disconnect, it's probably less serious
2015-08-17 05:36 <lillith_xue> yes seem not to be to serious :-) but it may confuse
2015-08-17 05:36 <dahlia> dont do it :)
2015-08-17 05:36 <lillith_xue> it was an accident :-)
2015-08-17 05:36 <dahlia> seriously tho, maybe file a mantis :)
2015-08-17 05:36 <lillith_xue> i wanted 2 avatars on 2 grids not 2 avatars on one hehe
2015-08-17 05:37 <dahlia> I think you can log in, hypergrid to somewhere else, and then log in again
2015-08-17 05:37 <dahlia> pretty sure that works
2015-08-17 05:37 <dahlia> dunno what happens if the hypergridding avatar teleports home
2015-08-17 05:37 <lillith_xue> i can try now :-)
2015-08-17 05:37 <lillith_xue> let me test it hehe
2015-08-17 05:38 <dahlia> if the universe explodes, it's Melanie_T's fault :)
2015-08-17 05:38 <dahlia> oh wait it's hypergrid, I better blame diva instead
2015-08-17 05:39 <lillith_xue> oh yes there are now 2 osgrid-me's arround hehe
2015-08-17 05:39 <dahlia> lol
2015-08-17 05:40 <lillith_xue> may i try to teleport the hg-one back?
2015-08-17 05:40 <dahlia> you have my permission :)
2015-08-17 05:40 <dahlia> 
ACTION hides just in case something breaks...

2015-08-17 05:41 <nebadon> what happens is when your second avatar logs in it overwrites the presence entry
2015-08-17 05:41 <lillith_xue> it may take a while, seems my gpu does not like 3 viewers@ultra settings :-)
2015-08-17 05:41 <nebadon> so the original avatar is pretty hosed after that
2015-08-17 05:41 <nebadon> travel technically should be impossible
2015-08-17 05:42 <nebadon> to robust that avatar no longer exists
2015-08-17 05:43 <dahlia> hmmm how about log in to osgrid, hg to another grid, log in another avatar to osgrid, tp to lbsa, then teleport the hg'd avatar to lbsa using the hg address
2015-08-17 05:43 <dahlia> see if lbsa crashes
2015-08-17 05:43 <lillith_xue> ok i can't see server-logs, but it behaves as loging in the same avatar 2 times
2015-08-17 05:43 <dahlia> k
2015-08-17 05:43 <lillith_xue> its sandbox Plaza :-)
2015-08-17 05:44 <nebadon> i doubt anything will crash
2015-08-17 05:44 <lillith_xue> one client the avatar dissapeared, but its still showing the region :-)
2015-08-17 05:44 <nebadon> maybe the viewer
2015-08-17 05:44 <nebadon> heh
2015-08-17 05:44 <dahlia> lol
2015-08-17 05:44 <lillith_xue> but what would happen if both avatars travel to same hypergrid-destination?
2015-08-17 05:44 <dahlia> hmmm
2015-08-17 05:45 <dahlia> try :)
2015-08-17 05:45 <nebadon> one would get logged out
2015-08-17 05:45 <lillith_xue> (ok now the desconnect message appeared)
2015-08-17 05:45 <nebadon> or both possibly
2015-08-17 05:45 <lillith_xue> so the viewer needs about a minute to realize its avatar got logged off
2015-08-17 05:45 <nebadon> yes it will timeout
2015-08-17 05:45 <nebadon> SL has a similar process
2015-08-17 05:46 <nebadon> accept they prevent you from logging in for 5 minutes
2015-08-17 05:46 <dahlia> how long does it take if you log in twice in SL?
2015-08-17 05:46 <nebadon> until the simulators cleanup 
2015-08-17 05:46 <dahlia> I vaguely remember ts pretty fast in SL
2015-08-17 05:46 <dahlia> *its
2015-08-17 05:46 <nebadon> if you keep trying it will eventually go
2015-08-17 05:46 <nebadon> before the time it says to wait
2015-08-17 05:46 <nebadon> i guess 5 minutes is safe to say incase the grid is getting clobbered
2015-08-17 05:46 <lillith_xue> never seen that message in opensim, its quite anoying i think
2015-08-17 05:46 <nebadon> or 100 person camp zone
2015-08-17 05:46 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-17 05:47 <lillith_xue> after a crash the login is quite smooth here :-)
2015-08-17 05:47 <nebadon> ya we have no code for that
2015-08-17 05:47 <nebadon> to prevent login for whatever amount of set time it is
2015-08-17 05:48 <lillith_xue> i actually don't think its needed
2015-08-17 05:48 <lillith_xue> if you login again, the old one will be removed while login, never seen any issues there except the login takes a second more :-)
2015-08-17 05:49 <lillith_xue> but its a bit confusing if the old one stil had a Viewer :-)
2015-08-17 05:50 <lillith_xue> you may check Sandbox Plaza now, i hope i didn't mess something with this test :-)
2015-08-17 05:52 <nebadon> oh i am sure its fine
2015-08-17 05:52 <nebadon> people do this kind of thing dozens of times per day I am sure
2015-08-17 05:52 <nebadon> hehe
2015-08-17 05:52 <lillith_xue> hehe
2015-08-17 05:52 <lillith_xue> well my region survived it without problems, but cou can't always sure :-)
2015-08-17 09:47 <osmantis> Bug #7686:04 Starting the last 1-4 days there are huge CPU usage spikes on instances where nothing is happening. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7686 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2015-08-17 10:25 <osmantis> Bug #7687:04 May explicitly disable alternative asset caching mechanism  modules. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7687 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-17 10:26 <osmantis> Bug #7687:04 May explicitly disable alternative asset caching mechanism  modules. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7687 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-08-17 10:26 <osmantis> Bug #7687:04 May explicitly disable alternative asset caching mechanism  modules. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7687 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-08-17 10:27 <osmantis> Bug #7687:04 May explicitly disable alternative asset caching mechanism  modules. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7687 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-08-17 10:33 <osmantis> Bug #7686:04 Starting the last 1-4 days there are huge CPU usage spikes on instances where nothing is happening. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7686 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-17 12:44 <lkalif> CmdrCupcake: not all caps are proxied by the sim
2015-08-17 12:44 <CmdrCupcake> lkalif: I'm aware :o
2015-08-17 12:45 <lkalif> i thought oz said aisv3 were a centralized service
2015-08-17 12:46 <CmdrCupcake> 2015-08-17T12:45:43Z INFO: log_capabilities: log_capabilities: InventoryAPIv3 URL is https://sim10508.agni.lindenlab.com:12043/cap/b9e63792-2f67-2733-e273-f6631b17607b
2015-08-17 12:46 <lkalif> but they may have changed their mind
2015-08-17 12:46 <lkalif> ok
2015-08-17 12:46 <CmdrCupcake> the caps that arn't centralized are all on systems that can take a massive hammering 
2015-08-17 12:46 <CmdrCupcake> like a third party CDN with enough capacity for terabits of traffic :p
2015-08-17 12:47 <lkalif> i guess stuff like rezzing and deleting that does involve the sim
2015-08-17 12:47 <CmdrCupcake> lol 
2015-08-17 13:54 <osmantis> Bug #7684:04 Dialog box reports Unknown User as owner if owner is an HG user 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7684 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-17 13:55 <osmantis> Bug #7684:04 Dialog box reports Unknown User as owner if owner is an HG user 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7684 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-17 16:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #4286 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-17 16:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4286: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4286/
2015-08-17 16:19 <osjenkins> melanie: Prevent the spammy "many event" message from appearing in normal use.
2015-08-17 16:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #4287 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-17 16:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4287: SUCCESS in 4 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4287/
2015-08-17 16:24 <osjenkins> melanie: Revert "When scripts are sleeping, don't count that as execution time"
2015-08-17 16:28 <osmantis> Bug #7687:04 [PATCH] May explicitly disable alternative asset caching mechanism  modules. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7687 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-08-17 17:41 <osmantis> Bug #7687:04 [PATCH] May explicitly disable alternative asset caching mechanism  modules. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7687 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-17 17:52 <osmantis> Bug #7687:04 [PATCH] May explicitly disable alternative asset caching mechanism  modules. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7687 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-17 18:36 <Melanie_T> phew digging into justin's coop termination stuff
2015-08-17 18:36 <Melanie_T> complex as hell but good work there, mostly
2015-08-17 18:36 <diva> what's that?
2015-08-17 18:36 <Melanie_T> cooperative script termination
2015-08-17 18:36 <osmantis> Bug #7687:04 [PATCH] May explicitly disable alternative asset caching mechanism  modules. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7687 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-17 18:36 <Melanie_T> rather than preemptive
2015-08-17 18:37 <Plugh> I kept reading "coop" as if would be said like you would in "chicken coop".  :)
2015-08-17 18:37 <Melanie_T> lol
2015-08-17 18:38 <Melanie_T> he made the code generator insert calls to a speial termination function
2015-08-17 18:38 <Melanie_T> that would check if a script is supposed to terminate
2015-08-17 18:38 <Melanie_T> rather than killing the thread it's running on'
2015-08-17 18:38 <Melanie_T> since forcible thread termination is messy
2015-08-17 18:39 <osmantis> Bug #7687:04 [PATCH] May explicitly disable alternative asset caching mechanism  modules. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7687 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-08-17 18:39 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-08-17 18:39 <Melanie_T> for that he created a whole new method to add constructor arguments and headers to compiled scripts
2015-08-17 18:39 <osmantis> Bug #7687:04 [PATCH] May explicitly disable alternative asset caching mechanism  modules. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7687 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-17 18:40 <Melanie_T> he also added a handle to IScriptApi which isn't needed
2015-08-17 18:40 <Melanie_T> i'm working on mixing his and oren's ideas from the commit i reverted to create something more universally useful
2015-08-17 18:40 <Plugh> Sounds good.
2015-08-17 18:41 <Melanie_T> basically, i'm moving all sleeping into the script engine proper
2015-08-17 18:41 <Melanie_T> where proper executiion time accounting can be done as well as further termination checks
2015-08-17 18:41 <Melanie_T> it may allow the script engine to reuse the threads of sleeping scripts
2015-08-17 18:42 <orenh> is it possible to reuse a sleeping thread to run a different script?
2015-08-17 18:42 <Melanie_T> orenh: that is my thought
2015-08-17 18:42 <Melanie_T> currently sleeping too many scripts is dangerous
2015-08-17 18:42 <Melanie_T> because it may block all threads
2015-08-17 18:42 <Melanie_T> but sleeping (means, descheduling) the script doesn't mean that thread has to sleep
2015-08-17 18:43 <orenh> right
2015-08-17 18:43 <Melanie_T> i'm actually seeing microthreading on the horizon
2015-08-17 18:43 <orenh> but you'd have to have a good scheduler to make sure the script resumes at the right time
2015-08-17 18:43 <Melanie_T> going to eat now bbs
2015-08-17 18:43 <Plugh> orenh: Is there a typical factor that can be applied to convert the currently reported run time numbers for scripts to that of the new reporting system?
2015-08-17 18:44 <orenh> I have no idea
2015-08-17 18:44 <orenh> they're very different
2015-08-17 18:44 <Plugh> I'm wondering what numbers I will have to look for to know if a script is bad under the new system vs the old.
2015-08-17 18:44 <Plugh> ok, thought that might be the case.
2015-08-17 18:45 <Plugh> We will have to compare run time numbers for good and bad scripts to get an idea.
2015-08-17 18:55 <osmantis> Bug #5259:04 HG1.5 i7 Config Changes Testing Feedback 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5259 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-17 18:56 <osmantis> Bug #4920:04 HG1.5 link-region fails with "Region is too far" even when some regions in OpenSim.exe instance are in range 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4920 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-08-17 18:58 <osmantis> Bug #4920:04 HG1.5 link-region fails with "Region is too far" even when some regions in OpenSim.exe instance are in range 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4920 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-17 19:01 <osmantis> Bug #4920:04 HG1.5 link-region fails with "Region is too far" even when some regions in OpenSim.exe instance are in range 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4920 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-17 19:01 <osmantis> Bug #5259:04 HG1.5 i7 Config Changes Testing Feedback 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5259 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-17 19:15 <osmantis> Bug #7627:04 KeepFilesForDays is not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7627 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-17 19:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #4288 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-17 19:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4288: FAILURE in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4288/
2015-08-17 19:52 <osjenkins> melanie: Change the IScriptApi back to it's original form, removing XEngine
2015-08-17 20:55 <CmdrCupcake> I found a bug in the inventory library implementatin, it's setting the ownerid incorrectly for what the viewer expects to own "Libraries"
2015-08-17 20:55 <CmdrCupcake> There's actually a defined uuid for it x.x
2015-08-17 20:56 <diva> <3
2015-08-17 20:56 <CmdrCupcake> Am making patch that fixes some library buggles.
2015-08-17 20:57 <CmdrCupcake> Oh and the root library folder name should be "Library"
2015-08-17 20:58 <H-H-H> imho this is something that opensim was missing a long long time ago (viewer devs and sim devs working together) 
2015-08-17 20:58 <CmdrCupcake> I'm more a viewer dev whos interested in poking the simulator side of things! :P
2015-08-17 20:58 <H-H-H> lots of goodness is comming from it
2015-08-17 20:58 <diva> CmdrCupcake, no margin for another name?
2015-08-17 20:58 <diva> I have been using another name in D2
2015-08-17 20:58 <CmdrCupcake> It's a well defined named used viewerside for translation purposes
2015-08-17 20:58 <CmdrCupcake> lol
2015-08-17 20:59 <CmdrCupcake> also the various library sub folders with system types need to be named correctly as system folders
2015-08-17 20:59 <CmdrCupcake> and their sub folders should be -1
2015-08-17 20:59 <CmdrCupcake> as the pref-type
2015-08-17 20:59 <CmdrCupcake> 
ACTION is fixing it right now

2015-08-17 20:59 <AliciaRaven> there is a config setting in os to set the library name, i like being able to set a custom name there
2015-08-17 20:59 <notskittles> you can use a different name
2015-08-17 20:59 <CmdrCupcake> Yeah it just breaks translation.
2015-08-17 20:59 <CmdrCupcake> :P
2015-08-17 21:00 <notskittles> but what he's saying is you need to use the same uuid.
2015-08-17 21:00 <CmdrCupcake> The default name should be "Library" imho
2015-08-17 21:00 <notskittles> oh, you mean for the folder.
2015-08-17 21:00 <CmdrCupcake> yeah lol
2015-08-17 21:00 <CmdrCupcake> library is a root_inv folder type with the name "Library"
2015-08-17 21:00 <CmdrCupcake> and owned by a magic uuid
2015-08-17 21:00 <CmdrCupcake> the fetcher uses that to determine whats a library and whats the users inventory root
2015-08-17 21:01 <CmdrCupcake> 
ACTION is learning more and more things about the inventory that he wishes he didn't know

2015-08-17 21:01 <diva> welcome to my world, CmdrCupcake...
2015-08-17 21:01 <CmdrCupcake> want to hear the best part lol?
2015-08-17 21:01 <diva> inventory is like this black hole
2015-08-17 21:01 <CmdrCupcake> the const uuid in the viewer for it
2015-08-17 21:01 <CmdrCupcake> isnt odviously named.
2015-08-17 21:01 <notskittles> tbh, i'd really love to just take a plow to the library service and make it load iars.
2015-08-17 21:01 <CmdrCupcake> const LLUUID ALEXANDRIA_LINDEN_ID("ba2a564a-f0f1-4b82-9c61-b7520bfcd09f");
2015-08-17 21:02 <CmdrCupcake> That means
2015-08-17 21:02 <CmdrCupcake> "Library owner standin account"
2015-08-17 21:02 <CmdrCupcake> 
ACTION facekeyboards at lindens

2015-08-17 21:02 <diva> in what language?
2015-08-17 21:02 <CmdrCupcake> Lindenese 
2015-08-17 21:02 <CmdrCupcake> <.<
2015-08-17 21:02 <notskittles> that's obvious if you know what the library of alexandia was. ;)
2015-08-17 21:02 <CmdrCupcake> Yes. Yes it is actually.
2015-08-17 21:03 <CmdrCupcake> I feel dumb now for not thinking of that :O
2015-08-17 21:03 <diva> lol
2015-08-17 21:04 <nebadon> this is still my favorite faux pas > http://lslwiki.net/lslwiki/wakka.php?wakka=lindogram
2015-08-17 21:04 <CmdrCupcake> 
ACTION is determined to get the inventory system to look right from the viewer end

2015-08-17 21:04 <CmdrCupcake> lindens have all kinds of defined system stuff too lol
2015-08-17 21:04 <CmdrCupcake> there's checks for if owner is "Govern Linden UUID"
2015-08-17 21:04 <CmdrCupcake> or "Maintenence" group uuid
2015-08-17 21:05 <notskittles> it was easier to figure out their naming conventions when they came from academia rather than when they started using pop culture references.
2015-08-17 21:12 <zadark> Melanie_T: Re commit 664ecb, did you mean 'debug xengine log', or as it is currently wired 'debug script <item id> <level>'??.. btw debug script is given as debug scripts (note plural) within the console help list..
2015-08-17 21:21 <Melanie_T> debug xengine log
2015-08-17 21:24 <zadark> k, testing
2015-08-17 21:29 <CmdrCupcake> Yay.
2015-08-17 21:29 <CmdrCupcake> Libraries are...really broken >.<
2015-08-17 21:29 <CmdrCupcake> 
ACTION learned even more about inventory system

2015-08-17 21:30 <CmdrCupcake> diva: So libraries have their own inventory caps :D
2015-08-17 21:30 <Melanie_T> CmdrCupcake: I would love for the Librabry to be served from a database
2015-08-17 21:30 <Melanie_T> allowing grids to add to it
2015-08-17 21:30 <diva> yeah, I think I saw that flying in front of my eyes at some point...
2015-08-17 21:30 <CmdrCupcake> yeah
2015-08-17 21:30 <CmdrCupcake> if libraries are fixed to be proper owner 
2015-08-17 21:30 <CmdrCupcake> and correct ids
2015-08-17 21:30 <CmdrCupcake> the viewer wont fetch it because it doesnt have the library caps!
2015-08-17 21:30 <CmdrCupcake> lol
2015-08-17 21:30 <CmdrCupcake> :(
2015-08-17 21:31 <Melanie_T> argh!
2015-08-17 21:31 <diva> Wanna do that CmdrCupcake? I have been dragging this paper that I absolutely must finish, and I cannot do let myself code until it is finished...
2015-08-17 21:31 <CmdrCupcake> I don't know enough about the opensim code yet to do it...>.<
2015-08-17 21:31 <CmdrCupcake> 
ACTION is still learning where anything is

2015-08-17 21:32 <Melanie_T> between myself, diva and misterblue we should know pretty much every byte
2015-08-17 21:32 <diva> sigh, well, it will be my reward when this damn paper is out of the door
2015-08-17 21:34 <CmdrCupcake> Melanie_T: It could be made part of grid inventory services tbh
2015-08-17 21:34 <CmdrCupcake> as long as the caps were implemented
2015-08-17 21:35 <Melanie_T> yes that was my idea
2015-08-17 21:38 <CmdrCupcake> FetchLib2 and FetchLibDescendents2 look just like the FetchInv caps
2015-08-17 21:39 <CmdrCupcake> They're seperated i guess for consistency/clarity on the viewer side of who's the owner
2015-08-17 21:58 <CmdrCupcake> Also there should really be a default holding user created for libraries so the viewer doesn't play "who is this" O.o
2015-08-17 22:01 <Melanie_T> why is a real user needed?
2015-08-17 22:01 <CmdrCupcake> Consistency in user interface display
2015-08-17 22:01 <CmdrCupcake> :P
2015-08-17 22:02 <Melanie_T> does it do anything other than fetching inve with that uuid?
2015-08-17 22:02 <CmdrCupcake> you can potentially view inventory properties for that lol
2015-08-17 22:03 <Melanie_T> hrm
2015-08-17 22:03 <Melanie_T> i guess that user could be hardcoded in the name query thing
2015-08-17 22:03 <Melanie_T> i'd hate to force everyone to keep a dummy user record in their tables
2015-08-17 22:03 <Melanie_T> and you can bet dollars for donuts someone will delete
2015-08-17 22:05 <CmdrCupcake> http://i.imgur.com/5mHNxKF.jpg
2015-08-17 22:05 <CmdrCupcake> :P
2015-08-17 22:05 <CmdrCupcake> Also that unkown user string is so odd lol
2015-08-17 22:06 <Melanie_T> they made a lot of twisty little unknown user names, all different
2015-08-17 22:06 <Melanie_T> to debug a HG issue
2015-08-17 22:06 <diva> it's not a bug, it's a virus :)
2015-08-17 22:07 <smxy> It's helped fix a gazillion bugs.
2015-08-17 22:07 <diva> both justin and I looked at that part, and there's always some leak in that damn part that sometimes creates an unknown user
2015-08-17 22:08 <CmdrCupcake> heh
2015-08-17 22:18 <JeffKelley> omg, LLUUID ALEXANDRIA_LINDEN_ID
2015-08-17 22:22 <JeffKelley> with Imprudence I could have multiple root folders, just adding childs to NULL_KEY
2015-08-17 22:30 <Melanie_T> imprudence is abandonware and ages old
2015-08-17 22:45 <JeffKelley> I know, that's why I made my System Library son of OpenSim Library
2015-08-17 22:49 <notskittles> it's not going to kill anything to have the library owner not be a real user. you can just fudge a user/key to "own" the library. it will just show screwy when inspecting things directly in library.
2015-08-17 22:50 <notskittles> and you can still set the custom name of the library owner, only the key needs to be exact.
2015-08-17 22:50 <notskittles> or really, we could send the library owner key in the login response.
2015-08-17 22:50 <notskittles> if it was a user.
2015-08-17 22:51 <notskittles> and the library would just be owned by the admin or w/e.
2015-08-17 22:51 <notskittles> hopefully someone won't go through their db and delete the grid admin.
2015-08-17 22:52 <JeffKelley> Governor Hippo ?
2015-08-17 22:53 <notskittles> well, iirc, you can set the library owner name somewhere in the config... but i might be thinking of aurora.
2015-08-17 22:58 <dahlia> I have a Governor Hippo avatar on OSGrid
2015-08-17 23:03 <notskittles> out of curiosity, does anyone know if anybody ever implemented 'allow_first_life' clientside?
2015-08-17 23:04 <notskittles> or what that's actually supposed to do? i assume it just disables the first life panel in profile.
2015-08-17 23:05 <notskittles> or locks an oculus rift to your face or something of that nature?
2015-08-17 23:06 <notskittles> oh, i see it actually, nvm. it's part of the sl protocol.
2015-08-17 23:06 <notskittles> interesting...
2015-08-17 23:11 <LiruCookies> notskittles: It hides quite a bit, actually!
2015-08-17 23:15 <LiruCookies> notskittles: It hides the wants and skills, the first life tab, the web profile tab (not the web profile, the website they feature on their profile), The about section on secondlife profile tab, and The "Show in search" checkbox.
2015-08-17 23:16 <LiruCookies> notskittles: Erm, the wants and skills it hides are just the custom line editors, not the checkboxes.
2015-08-17 23:17 <LiruCookies> notskittles: This seems like a way to completely cut off the user from showing any custom information on their profile aside from their picture.
2015-08-17 23:17 <LiruCookies> And their picks.
2015-08-18 05:07 <osmantis> Bug #7686:04 Starting the last 1-4 days there are huge CPU usage spikes on instances where nothing is happening. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7686 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-18 06:54 -!- ChristophBalhaus(~Christoph@2001:4ba0:fff1:150::2) has left #opensim-dev
2015-08-18 08:04 <lkalif> you people are all wrong
2015-08-18 08:04 <lkalif> :P
2015-08-18 08:04 <lkalif> library root us sent with login requests
2015-08-18 08:05 <lkalif> system folders need not have fixed names
2015-08-18 08:05 <lkalif> the viewer's translation system is a kludge requring this
2015-08-18 08:06 <lkalif> other than translation issues folders with custom names work fine
2015-08-18 08:11 <lkalif> it's called inventory-lib-owner in login response
2015-08-18 08:12 <lkalif> CmdrCupcake: so whomever hardcoded that UUID had no idea what he was doing
2015-08-18 08:58 <dahlia> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzDuzMSwuF8
2015-08-18 11:11 <lkalif> dahlia: video not available
2015-08-18 11:12 <dahlia> lkalif: just some dumb song
2015-08-18 15:19 <CmdrCupcake> lkalif: I've looked back years in the v2 source and its always been that way :O 
2015-08-18 15:32 <CmdrCupcake> lkalif: The entire inventory fetch queue in the viewer treats the fetch request as one giant blob, and checking the owner of the inventory asset is cheaper then checking if its a descendent of whichever root. 
2015-08-18 15:33 <CmdrCupcake> In an ideal world it would be less ugly but it's not -.- 
2015-08-18 15:46 <CmdrCupcake> Huh and I found an 8 year old bug in the viewers inventory implementation now lo
2015-08-18 15:47 <CmdrCupcake> and fixing the bug will break library fetch on opensim /sigh
2015-08-18 15:50 <CmdrCupcake> haha the person who originally wrote all the http inventory stuff way back in 07/08 hard coded the library owner id instead of using the one sent in the login response
2015-08-18 15:50 <CmdrCupcake> Inventory fetch still needs to be over FetchLib*2 
2015-08-18 16:15 <lkalif> CmdrCupcake: i'm just saying uuid is not hard-coded
2015-08-18 16:15 <lkalif> it's sent with login reaponse
2015-08-18 16:15 <CmdrCupcake> lkalif: Yeah it shouldn't have been lol
2015-08-18 16:15 <CmdrCupcake> someone /did/ hardcode it
2015-08-18 16:15 <CmdrCupcake> 8 yeears ago xD
2015-08-18 16:15 <lkalif> look at "~zacdev@unaffiliated/linkedinyou2~
2015-08-18 16:15 <lkalif> erm
2015-08-18 16:16 <CmdrCupcake> and its stuck around ever since then through 3 inventory rewrites
2015-08-18 16:16 <CmdrCupcake> I fixed it in singu/alchemy
2015-08-18 16:16 <CmdrCupcake> but it breaks library fetching.
2015-08-18 16:16 <lkalif> "inventory-lib-owner"
2015-08-18 16:16 <lkalif> it does  not
2015-08-18 16:16 <CmdrCupcake> They use the owner id to determine which fetch queue it gets put into
2015-08-18 16:16 <CmdrCupcake> :P
2015-08-18 16:16 <CmdrCupcake> because searching the descendents tree to check if X is a decendent of Y is expensive.
2015-08-18 16:16 <lkalif> search for string
2015-08-18 16:17 <CmdrCupcake> still slow. lol
2015-08-18 16:17 <CmdrCupcake> inventory fetch is a slow behemoth
2015-08-18 16:17 <lkalif> search for "inventory-lib-owner"
2015-08-18 16:17 <CmdrCupcake> lkalif: I'm aware of that now :O
2015-08-18 16:18 <CmdrCupcake> but fixing it breaks library fetch in opensim since that ownerid puts it into the queue for FetchLib2
2015-08-18 16:18 <CmdrCupcake> and not FetchInventory2
2015-08-18 16:18 <lkalif> morons
2015-08-18 16:19 <CmdrCupcake> inventory fetch requests are just massive blobs of data that it checks the ownerids of to determine if its the agent inventory or the library its being requested from
2015-08-18 16:19 <CmdrCupcake> -.-
2015-08-18 16:19 <lkalif> to takes about 1000000 times longer to do a network fetch than a string comparisson anyway
2015-08-18 16:20 <lkalif> and that is there,  50 folders in inv?
2015-08-18 16:20 <CmdrCupcake> yeah but the fetcher is generic lol 
2015-08-18 16:21 <lkalif> generic my ass, it depends on magic numbers :P
2015-08-18 16:21 <CmdrCupcake> its generic up until that point <.<
2015-08-18 16:22 <CmdrCupcake> then it turns into magic numbers because all the things being fetched get shoved into a potentially 200,000 item sized std::deque
2015-08-18 16:22 <CmdrCupcake> you know for that wonderful initial fetch request for some SL users -.-
2015-08-18 16:22 <lkalif> so you need to hardcode the creation of user with that uuid
2015-08-18 16:22 <CmdrCupcake> the fact they hardcoded the library owner id was moronic
2015-08-18 16:23 <CmdrCupcake> lol
2015-08-18 16:23 <CmdrCupcake> i fixed that
2015-08-18 16:23 <lkalif> nobody has 200k folders
2015-08-18 16:23 <CmdrCupcake> it uses it for items too
2015-08-18 16:23 <CmdrCupcake> lol
2015-08-18 16:23 <lkalif> nope
2015-08-18 16:23 <lkalif> only for current outfit
2015-08-18 16:23 <CmdrCupcake> the fetch requests for folders/items are all initiall in a single deque
2015-08-18 16:23 <CmdrCupcake> o.o
2015-08-18 16:24 <lkalif> the rest is done per descendants (1 req per folder)
2015-08-18 16:24 <CmdrCupcake> wot
2015-08-18 16:24 <CmdrCupcake> it hasn't been that way in a while
2015-08-18 16:24 <CmdrCupcake> they moved it into a massive bulk operation
2015-08-18 16:24 <lkalif> you should learn to use wgp
2015-08-18 16:25 <diva> in OpenSim I see the folders requests coming in a few at a time
2015-08-18 16:26 <diva> like 4 or 6 at a time
2015-08-18 16:26 <diva> this when the viewer cache is cleared
2015-08-18 16:26 <lkalif> yes, no item requests 
2015-08-18 16:26 <diva> they may have changed it in their new AIS
2015-08-18 16:26 <lkalif> except for outfit items
2015-08-18 16:26 <lkalif> nobody is that stupid
2015-08-18 16:26 <CmdrCupcake> it does item requests o.o
2015-08-18 16:27 <CmdrCupcake> its why lindens are beating the quit putting so much crap in one folder drum righ tnow
2015-08-18 16:27 <CmdrCupcake> lol
2015-08-18 16:27 <lkalif> CmdrCupcake is confusing internal queing with action http requests
2015-08-18 16:28 <diva> CmdrCupcake wingridproxy is a life saver for these kinds of things. It helps understand how the viewer actually interacts with the outside world
2015-08-18 16:29 <diva> in spite of what its code might look like
2015-08-18 16:29 <diva> (why was I dragged into yet another inventory conversation?!? back to my capsule :-)
2015-08-18 16:30 <lkalif> hehe
2015-08-18 16:33 <CmdrCupcake> lkalif: Lol I crashed wingridproxy
2015-08-18 16:33 <CmdrCupcake> when it hit the request for the folder that i keep all my everything in it went boom xD 
2015-08-18 16:34 <osmantis> Bug #7684:04 Dialog box reports Unknown User as owner if owner is an HG user 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7684 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-18 16:34 <osmantis> Bug #7682:04 [PATCH] Simulator sending unnecessary ObjectProperties replies on hover 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7682 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-18 16:34 <osmantis> Bug #7683:04 [PATCH] Object chat failing to send proper owner id resulting in incorrect viewer behavior 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7683 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-18 16:34 <osmantis> Bug #7678:04 [PATCH] llInstantMessage sending incorrect uuids in AgentID and ID packet fields 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7678 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-18 16:34 <osmantis> Bug #7679:04 Unnecessary line ending change in LSL_Api.cs source code 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7679 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-18 16:34 <diva> there goes Ai Austin... :-)
2015-08-18 16:34 <osmantis> Bug #7675:04 [REGION DB SQLLITE]: module reports console mesages with SQLLITE as spelling rather than the correct SQLITE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7675 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-18 16:35 <osmantis> [discarded 67 messages]
2015-08-18 16:35 <osmantis> Bug #7436:04 Physics of mesh objects are either non walkable, phantom or unpassable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7436 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-18 16:35 <osmantis> Bug #7442:04 Ionic.Zlib.CompressionLevel 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7442 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-18 16:35 <osmantis> Bug #7443:04 SmartThreadPool not getting a version numbering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7443 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-18 16:35 <osmantis> Bug #7490:04 [PATCH] "help restart" message corrected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7490 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-18 16:35 <osmantis> Bug #7489:04 Setting login text in ROBUST to "" (blank) results in casting error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7489 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-18 16:35 <osmantis> Bug #7428:04 Serious region teleport failure issues, sim and viewer lockups. Dev Master from 01/15/2015 is OK, current is not. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7428 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-18 16:35 <osmantis> Bug #6990:04 OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.SceneGraph [SCENEGRAPH]: Problem processing action in ForEachSOG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6990 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-18 16:35 <osmantis> Bug #7270:04 Exception when contacting presence server (not enough free sockets?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7270 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-18 16:38 <lkalif> CmdrCupcake: try gtk version, GridProxyGui
2015-08-18 16:38 <CmdrCupcake> lol
2015-08-18 16:38 <CmdrCupcake> it exploded when i tried to inspect the 10MB request for my All Everything folder
2015-08-18 16:39 <lkalif> GridProxyGui is more recent
2015-08-18 16:39 <lkalif> and basically the same
2015-08-18 16:39 <CmdrCupcake> ohay
2015-08-18 16:39 <CmdrCupcake> there's the request for the other giant fodler lol
2015-08-18 16:39 <lkalif> but more stable
2015-08-18 16:39 <CmdrCupcake> its 30mb o.o
2015-08-18 16:39 <CmdrCupcake> 
ACTION cries

2015-08-18 16:39 <diva> CmdrCupcake looks like wanting to one-up nebadon on matters of inventory exaggeration
2015-08-18 16:40 <CmdrCupcake> diva: This is on a special test account.
2015-08-18 16:40 <CmdrCupcake> :P
2015-08-18 16:40 <lkalif> learn about subfolders :P
2015-08-18 16:40 <diva> :)
2015-08-18 16:40 <CmdrCupcake> It has lots and lots of generated inventory to do horrible things to the fetcher
2015-08-18 16:40 <diva> <3
2015-08-18 16:40 <CmdrCupcake> Because I kept having someone scream that their login kept crashing lol
2015-08-18 16:40 <diva> we used something like that too for some performance evaluation
2015-08-18 16:41 <CmdrCupcake> the fun part was I couldn't fix it because the inventory folder tree gui representation is slower then watching the grass grow
2015-08-18 16:41 <CmdrCupcake> It'll do kind of okay if you have the processing power to throw at it but they were on a toaster lol
2015-08-18 16:45 <CmdrCupcake> lkalif: lol it did a ton of item data requests just because I had a mountain of those in a top level folder that i opened 
2015-08-18 16:45 <CmdrCupcake> Yay breaking the fetcher.
2015-08-18 16:50 <CmdrCupcake> diva: So the question is how would opensim perform if I made one of those giant horror folder s:P
2015-08-18 16:52 <osmantis> [discarded 70 messages]
2015-08-18 16:52 <osmantis> Bug #6526:04 White-Listing for OpenSim Languages 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6526 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-18 16:52 <osmantis> Bug #6527:04 Added configuration defaults for language whitelisting. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6527 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-18 16:53 <nebadon> CmdrCupcake i have some insanely large folders
2015-08-18 16:54 <CmdrCupcake> nebadon: I'm generating a new test account right now \o/
2015-08-18 16:54 <CmdrCupcake> I'm going to see what 100,000 long named folders do to the SL server
2015-08-18 16:55 <nebadon> haha
2015-08-18 16:55 <CmdrCupcake> it'll probably fall over because the viewer will batch that request into a single blob.
2015-08-18 16:55 <CmdrCupcake> or it'll reject it.
2015-08-18 16:55 <CmdrCupcake> I wonder what their threshold is for rejecting a descendents request as "too large"
2015-08-18 16:57 <diva> CmdrCupcake try it and tell me
2015-08-18 16:57 <CmdrCupcake> diva: I'm poking the linden server right now lol
2015-08-18 17:02 <diva> if anyone is interested in an academic moment related to opensim: http://www.ics.uci.edu/~lopes/opensim/wiley_minrev_v1.pdf
2015-08-18 17:03 <CmdrCupcake> lol
2015-08-18 17:03 <CmdrCupcake> their server timed out my request
2015-08-18 17:03 <CmdrCupcake> D:
2015-08-18 17:03 <CmdrCupcake> how rude!
2015-08-18 17:03 <nebadon> nice diva, you guys used my stuff for testing :)
2015-08-18 17:03 <CmdrCupcake> 
ACTION trys again

2015-08-18 17:04 <diva> yeah neb we cite you! :D
2015-08-18 17:04 <nebadon> cool :)
2015-08-18 17:05 <lkalif> CmdrCupcake: login is going to take a looooooooooooooooooooooooong time if you have 100k folders
2015-08-18 17:05 <CmdrCupcake> lkalif: I skip the initial fetch at login
2015-08-18 17:06 <CmdrCupcake> it's not strictly required to actually log in.
2015-08-18 17:07 <lkalif> CmdrCupcake: folders are sent, inventory skeleton
2015-08-18 17:08 <lkalif> itd part of xmkrpc login procedure
2015-08-18 17:08 <CmdrCupcake> yup but it'll still login lol
2015-08-18 17:08 <diva> misterblue, if you have time for a review, that'd be great. We're incorporating minor reviews http://www.ics.uci.edu/~lopes/opensim/wiley_minrev_v1.pdf
2015-08-18 17:08 <lkalif> xmlrpc
2015-08-18 17:08 <CmdrCupcake> the part that breaks the login process is when it gets to creating the folder views.
2015-08-18 17:08 <CmdrCupcake> which is SLOWWWWW
2015-08-18 17:09 <lkalif> again, look at login reponse with the proxy
2015-08-18 17:09 <lkalif> i know this shit lol
2015-08-18 17:10 <CmdrCupcake> I think they're going to end up getting rid of that lol
2015-08-18 17:10 <CmdrCupcake> their poor support gets so much torture over people that do awful things to their inventory
2015-08-18 17:10 <notskittles> wow paying $5 for the update to textual 5 was worth it to get a dark themed ui.
2015-08-18 17:13 <lkalif> try visual studio code ;)
2015-08-18 17:14 <lkalif> i was wondering how it worked on a mac
2015-08-18 17:16 <notskittles> i looked at it. i'd look at it more if it handled vc solutions. i like to use jetbrains clion on mac.
2015-08-18 17:17 <notskittles> xamarin studio is terrible lately for me.
2015-08-18 17:18 <lkalif> i used komodo edit for a long time, because it was available everywhere
2015-08-18 17:28 <CmdrCupcake> lkalif: It'll still send a response at 100K folders. \o/
2015-08-18 17:28 <CmdrCupcake> I wonder how many folders would make the linden login response break.
2015-08-18 17:28 <CmdrCupcake> lol
2015-08-18 17:35 <CmdrCupcake> lkalif: Yay the linden login response breaks at 150,000 folders lol 
2015-08-18 17:35 <CmdrCupcake> or atleast it stops liking me.
2015-08-18 17:35 <lkalif> lol
2015-08-18 17:36 <CmdrCupcake> it wont return anything for that account now haha
2015-08-18 17:36 <lkalif> login server is so broke
2015-08-18 17:37 <CmdrCupcake> lol wingridproxy throughly vommited when it saw the initial fetch decendents request for that though
2015-08-18 17:38 <lkalif> it returns a xmlrpc type as "integet" for folder names if you give it a name like 123
2015-08-18 17:38 <CmdrCupcake> wow
2015-08-18 17:38 <CmdrCupcake> x.x
2015-08-18 17:38 <lkalif> it was breaking radegast login lol
2015-08-18 17:38 <CmdrCupcake> I wonder if lindens will end up breaking the login system one day
2015-08-18 17:38 <CmdrCupcake> for compatibility with SL2
2015-08-18 17:38 <CmdrCupcake> lol
2015-08-18 17:38 <nebadon> that seems unlikely
2015-08-18 17:39 <nebadon> atleast the compatibility with SL2 part
2015-08-18 17:39 <nebadon> hehe
2015-08-18 17:39 <CmdrCupcake> blah from all the job position decristions i've seen for SL2 development
2015-08-18 17:39 <nebadon> them breaking stuff is ultimately inevitable :P
2015-08-18 17:39 <CmdrCupcake> its pretty much Havok middleware
2015-08-18 17:39 <CmdrCupcake> with a side of havok middleware
2015-08-18 17:39 <CmdrCupcake> with some extra havok middleware ontop.,
2015-08-18 17:39 <CmdrCupcake> lol
2015-08-18 17:39 <CmdrCupcake> Descriptions*
2015-08-18 17:40 <nebadon> well they know havok so thats not surprising
2015-08-18 17:40 <nebadon> that doesnt insure compatibility
2015-08-18 17:40 <nebadon> shit they cant even maintain compatibility between different versions of havok
2015-08-18 17:40 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-18 17:40 <CmdrCupcake> they werel ooking for people with Havok Animation, Havok Physics, Havok AI, Havok Render 
2015-08-18 17:40 <CmdrCupcake> Havok isn't just physics though.
2015-08-18 17:40 <CmdrCupcake> it's a complete game engine suite
2015-08-18 17:40 <CmdrCupcake> :p
2015-08-18 17:40 <nebadon> true
2015-08-18 17:40 <CmdrCupcake> and they were looking for people with experience with every piece of it
2015-08-18 17:41 <CmdrCupcake> so it seems likely that they'll end up using that for alot of SL2
2015-08-18 17:41 <nebadon> ya that isnt at all surprising
2015-08-18 17:41 <nebadon> its not like there are a ton of choices in that arena
2015-08-18 17:41 <nebadon> might as well use what your already licensing
2015-08-18 17:41 <CmdrCupcake> yup lol
2015-08-18 17:41 <CmdrCupcake> the havok animation toolkit is pretty okay
2015-08-18 17:42 <CmdrCupcake> i don't much care for their game ai package though
2015-08-18 17:42 <CmdrCupcake> its buggy.
2015-08-18 17:42 <CmdrCupcake> and the problems they had with navmesh generation on the SL servers were kinda funny when they introduced pathfinding lol
2015-08-18 17:42 <nebadon> if you can show me a game engine without bugs i'll give you 50 bucks
2015-08-18 17:42 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-18 17:42 <CmdrCupcake> because they were the same memoryleak/crash problems that every other game engine that i've seen using it has had
2015-08-18 17:43 <CmdrCupcake> okay give me a few minutes to write a tiny 10 line "game" engine :D...
2015-08-18 17:43 <nebadon> haha
2015-08-18 17:46 <CmdrCupcake> 
ACTION writes it in rust so he's extra sure it wont have bugs

2015-08-18 17:46 <CmdrCupcake> 
ACTION loves Rust<3

2015-08-18 17:46 <lkalif> they said scripting is going to be c¤
2015-08-18 17:47 <lkalif> c#
2015-08-18 17:47 <CmdrCupcake> lkalif: Yeah but that makes sense on the server :P
2015-08-18 17:47 <lkalif> i thought they were going with unity because of it
2015-08-18 17:47 <CmdrCupcake> IT wouldn't surprise me if they ended up reusing quite a bit of code from the SL1 server lol
2015-08-18 17:47 <CmdrCupcake> nah
2015-08-18 17:47 <CmdrCupcake> Unity wouldn't make sense lol
2015-08-18 17:48 <lkalif> for a client sure it does
2015-08-18 17:48 <lkalif> it's trully multiplatform
2015-08-18 17:48 <nebadon> is it?\
2015-08-18 17:48 <lkalif> incl web
2015-08-18 17:48 <lkalif> yes
2015-08-18 17:49 <nebadon> is there a standalone linux player now?
2015-08-18 17:49 <CmdrCupcake> lkalif: Try actually using their html5 export for anyhting serious
2015-08-18 17:49 <CmdrCupcake> lol
2015-08-18 17:49 <nebadon> I have not seen a single thing from unity that runs on Linux
2015-08-18 17:49 <CmdrCupcake> its so fking buggy/broken
2015-08-18 17:49 <CmdrCupcake> and yeah they support linux
2015-08-18 17:49 <nebadon> have you seen any demos?
2015-08-18 17:49 <nebadon> none of the demos on their website run in linux
2015-08-18 17:49 <CmdrCupcake> there's a few games on steam from it
2015-08-18 17:49 <CmdrCupcake> they only support linux export though.
2015-08-18 17:49 <lkalif> CmdrCupcake: I have
2015-08-18 17:50 <CmdrCupcake> lkalif: You actually got that mess to work? @_@
2015-08-18 17:50 <diva> Unity's web player is useless. I gave up entirely. I have 4 computers, all of which stopped being able to run the unity player
2015-08-18 17:50 <CmdrCupcake> The last time i tried their html5 exporter it crashed mid export every single time :/
2015-08-18 17:50 <nebadon> ya I found Unity to be pretty frustrating
2015-08-18 17:50 <diva> on chrome and firefox
2015-08-18 17:50 <diva> they went backwards on the web, really
2015-08-18 17:50 <CmdrCupcake> diva: Blame chrome :P
2015-08-18 17:50 <diva> maybe forward on mobile but backwards on the web
2015-08-18 17:50 <nebadon> I just think that is the overall state of WebGL
2015-08-18 17:50 <nebadon> its not very good
2015-08-18 17:51 <nebadon> yes
2015-08-18 17:51 <nebadon> yet*
2015-08-18 17:51 <CmdrCupcake> WebGL2 spec looks interesting
2015-08-18 17:51 <nebadon> webgl will be great once you dont need javascript anymore
2015-08-18 17:51 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-18 17:51 <CmdrCupcake> but everyone loves javascript! heh...
2015-08-18 17:52 <lkalif> diva: not unity web player plugin, their new html5 player
2015-08-18 17:53 <nebadon> lkalif know of any good html5 unity demos?
2015-08-18 17:53 <nebadon> all of the unity demos I try in linux wont run
2015-08-18 17:53 <nebadon> says platform not supported
2015-08-18 17:54 <CmdrCupcake> Web Assembly looks neat
2015-08-18 17:54 <CmdrCupcake> it should fix alot of the short comings of asmjs
2015-08-18 17:54 <lkalif> i compiled angrybots with an early alpha
2015-08-18 17:54 <lkalif> http://www.replex.org/angrybots/
2015-08-18 17:55 <lkalif> best in firefox
2015-08-18 17:56 <lkalif> i should recompile it with the current version and not an early beta lol
2015-08-18 17:56 <nebadon> let me try
2015-08-18 17:57 <nebadon> bar is stuck at 50% 
2015-08-18 17:57 <nebadon> oh its moving
2015-08-18 17:58 <lkalif> it's a big download
2015-08-18 17:58 <lkalif> they optimized it a lot since then
2015-08-18 17:59 <nebadon> nice it loaded
2015-08-18 17:59 <lkalif> this was about a year ago
2015-08-18 18:01 <Plugh> 
ACTION shows the clock to nebadon

2015-08-18 18:01 <CmdrCupcake> lkalif: It works in IE
2015-08-18 18:01 <CmdrCupcake> :O
2015-08-18 18:02 <lkalif> nice graphice too
2015-08-18 18:02 <lkalif> all inn JS
2015-08-18 18:02 <nebadon> on my way
2015-08-18 18:03 <lkalif> nebadon: where lol
2015-08-18 18:03 <nebadon> Tuesday Meeting
2015-08-18 18:03 <nebadon> Wright Plaza
2015-08-18 18:12 <osmantis> Bug #5043:04 HG: gatekeeper hostname being converted to IP addy; breaks hostname-based routing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5043 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-18 18:13 <osmantis> Bug #6503:04 Crash/Exception when shutting down 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6503 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-18 18:16 <osmantis> Bug #3556:04 Feature Request - Flush/Regen Map Tile command 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3556 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-18 18:17 <osmantis> Bug #1184:04 Day Cycle Editor settings not remembered for sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1184 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-18 18:40 <Dev_Random> diva: thanks for posting that link to the paper.  Interesting stuff.
2015-08-18 20:21 <diva> yw Dev_Random
2015-08-18 20:22 <nebadon> i gave that link out at todays meeting at wright plaza diva :)
2015-08-18 20:23 <diva> oh geez. I want to upload it to arXiv, where it's citable
2015-08-18 20:26 <diva> the paper has two footnotes with links to th mantis :)
2015-08-18 20:26 <nebadon> ok well if you have a new link
2015-08-18 20:26 <Dev_Random> diva: before yo upload it... minor nit in your conclusion "we encountered many challenges related metrics and their interpretation," seems to be missing a "to"
2015-08-18 20:26 <nebadon> i can modify the log for the wiki anyway
2015-08-18 20:27 <diva> thanks Dev_Random, i'll fix
2015-08-18 20:27 <diva> what log, neb?
2015-08-18 20:27 <diva> oh ic
2015-08-18 20:27 <nebadon> we keep chat logs of the meeting
2015-08-18 20:28 <diva> ok, I"ll give you a link when I have it uploaded. It takes a couple of days to show up after being uploaded
2015-08-18 20:29 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_Hours
2015-08-18 20:29 <nebadon> k
2015-08-18 20:29 <diva> this is actually a journal paper, but it's one of those paywall journals, so I'm making the preprint available in arXiv
2015-08-18 20:29 <nebadon> nice
2015-08-18 21:03 <diva> one of these days I'll write a paper explaining the OpenSim framework... I'll just have to find a journal that takes that kind of thing, of which there aren't many.
2015-08-18 21:04 <osmantis> Bug #7688:04 Order of operations incorrect when subtracting two lsl vectors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7688 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-18 21:12 <osmantis> Bug #7689:04 LSL List creating a ref when assigning values to another list instead of copying 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7689 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-18 22:09 <lkalif> funny thing is,  since my stomack surgery i lost 30 kilos, and now they consider me malnurished :P
2015-08-18 22:10 <lkalif> so now i havw ti druínk these high energy drinks that have 300 caloris in a small glass
2015-08-18 22:11 <lkalif> also encouraging me to eat pizza and burgetd ;)
2015-08-18 22:13 <osmantis> Bug #7689:04 LSL List creating a ref when assigning values to another list instead of copying 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7689 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-18 22:17 <LiruCookies> lkalif: Now I want pizza....
2015-08-18 22:33 <CmdrCupcake> LiruCookies: You should send me pizza.
2015-08-18 22:34 <Melanie_T> the pizza dcc plugin is broken
2015-08-18 22:37 <Ubit> will you stop talking about food?
2015-08-18 22:37 <Ubit> lol
2015-08-18 22:38 <diva> somone should make a pizza and soda plugin for opensim and send them to lkalif. A pizza client takes the scene and shows pizzas instead
2015-08-18 22:38 <diva> might be a great demo for webgl clients!
2015-08-18 22:38 <Ubit> :)
2015-08-18 22:39 <nebadon> https://www.pizzasnake.com/
2015-08-18 22:39 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-18 22:51 <osmantis> Bug #7689:04 LSL List creating a ref when assigning values to another list instead of copying 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7689 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-18 23:02 <osmantis> Bug #7689:04 LSL List creating a ref when assigning values to another list instead of copying 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7689 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-18 23:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #4289 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4287 1 day 6 hr ago)
2015-08-18 23:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4289: STILL FAILING in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4289/
2015-08-18 23:12 <osjenkins> melanie: Try to address Mantis #7689. When adding a scalar to a list, make a copy
2015-08-18 23:14 <diva> Melanie_T or dahlia one of you probably knows about this: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7673
2015-08-18 23:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #4290 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4287 1 day 7 hr ago)
2015-08-18 23:25 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-08-18 23:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4290: FIXED in 4 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4290/
2015-08-18 23:25 <osjenkins> melanie: Some unit tests are simply broken and create an API with a null m_item.
2015-08-19 00:04 <dahlia> diva: I'm not really all that familiar with our KeyFrameMotion implementation but I can look at it if you need
2015-08-19 00:05 <dahlia> I thought maybe it was an Avination donation but I'm not sure
2015-08-19 00:05 <Melanie_T> it is
2015-08-19 00:05 <Melanie_T> but it's been gone over by others
2015-08-19 00:06 <diva> I don't need that patch, but it's there, might as well take it in if it's good
2015-08-19 00:07 <dahlia> could always revert it if people complain
2015-08-19 00:07 <Melanie_T> i can't find the mantis
2015-08-19 00:08 <dahlia> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7673
2015-08-19 00:09 <dahlia> I dont have any experience using those functions but I'll peek at the sl wiki pages
2015-08-19 00:10 <Melanie_T> this patch is overly large
2015-08-19 00:10 <Melanie_T> it maps a direct call to the script eingie(s) into an event manager call
2015-08-19 00:10 <Melanie_T> i don't know if the event manager call is mapped into the script engine properly as that isn't done in this patch
2015-08-19 00:10 <Melanie_T> someone who runs xengine needs to test this
2015-08-19 00:11 <JeffKelley> Garmin's patch is running on my grid
2015-08-19 00:11 <Melanie_T> especially to the point that the event is delivered to all scripts, even in child prims, that may need to receive it according to the lsl wiki
2015-08-19 00:16 <dahlia> I've never used llSetKeyframedMotion() because I haven't done any prim animation in scripts since before it existed, and the opensim version doesn't use velocity so I don't really see the value of it
2015-08-19 00:18 <JeffKelley> non-phy animations are more reliable than physical ones
2015-08-19 00:19 <dahlia> depends :)
2015-08-19 00:20 <Ubit> hmm what velocity ?
2015-08-19 00:22 <dahlia> ObjectUpate messages have acceleration, velocity, and angular velocity parameters
2015-08-19 00:22 <dahlia> which the viewer can use to smoothly interpolate between messages
2015-08-19 00:22 <Ubit> ahh ok
2015-08-19 00:22 <dahlia> its how physical objects move so smoothly
2015-08-19 00:23 <dahlia> and llSetTargetOmega
2015-08-19 00:24 <dahlia> that was the impetus behind LL's implementation of llSetKeyframedMotion() so they could reduce network traffic in animated prims
2015-08-19 00:24 <Ubit> was afraid ll as added a velocity parameter os something :)
2015-08-19 00:24 <dahlia> no its been there for ages
2015-08-19 00:24 <Melanie_T> the avn version may set velocity
2015-08-19 00:24 <Melanie_T> i know my original mplementation did
2015-08-19 00:24 <Ubit> actually have to check
2015-08-19 00:24 <Melanie_T> someone commented it out
2015-08-19 00:24 <Melanie_T> in opensim
2015-08-19 00:25 <Melanie_T> i think maybe it caused rubberbanding for them
2015-08-19 00:25 <JeffKelley> I gave up with llMoveToTarget a long time ago, using llSetKeyframedMotion instead 
2015-08-19 00:25 <Melanie_T> the velocity match may be off
2015-08-19 00:25 <Melanie_T> math
2015-08-19 00:25 <dahlia> you can get some rubberbanding if you have errors in your acceleration and velocity
2015-08-19 00:25 <dahlia> but if avatars and physical objects move smoothly, this should work if the math is correct
2015-08-19 00:25 <Ubit> yeap rubber band mb the reason for the coment
2015-08-19 00:26 <Ubit> hmm if i did remember where the source is lol
2015-08-19 00:26 <dahlia> I have tried setting velocity in a region module and had some problem with it generating multiple packets
2015-08-19 00:26 <dahlia> never figured out why
2015-08-19 00:27 <dahlia> but that might do some rubberbanding
2015-08-19 00:27 <dahlia> somehow setting velocity seems to queue extra events
2015-08-19 00:29 <diva> my cars are all using velocity/rotation. They aren't physical, but the viewer doesn't seem to mind
2015-08-19 00:29 <diva> moves them really smoothly and without much network traffic
2015-08-19 00:29 <dahlia> ya I remember you got it working in your encitra stuff
2015-08-19 00:30 <diva> 
ACTION thinks knowing less about the viewer works to her advantage

2015-08-19 00:30 <dahlia> lol
2015-08-19 00:30 <dahlia> I really don't know much about the LL-based viewes :)
2015-08-19 00:31 <dahlia> but I can see extra packets in wingridproxy
2015-08-19 00:31 <JeffKelley> llSetKeyframedMotion is not about vehicles
2015-08-19 00:31 <dahlia> who said vehicles?
2015-08-19 00:32 <JeffKelley> "cars"
2015-08-19 00:32 <dahlia> diva's stuff is a custom region module
2015-08-19 00:32 <dahlia> and I do believe ther is a pretty nice full-sim train ride in SL that uses it
2015-08-19 00:32 <Melanie_T> avination welcome has an intersim ferry using keyframe
2015-08-19 00:33 <Melanie_T> we've ridden it with as many as 11 avatars successfully
2015-08-19 00:42 <JeffKelley> KFM in action : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjUmSeE22Ns
2015-08-19 00:45 <dahlia> ya I bet that would be a lot smoother in SL
2015-08-19 00:46 <JeffKelley> it's shaky because of the poor video framerate, not for real
2015-08-19 00:48 <dahlia> yes but the missing velocity parameters means it stops between each simulation frame update
2015-08-19 00:48 <dahlia> 11/second
2015-08-19 00:48 <dahlia> where if it used velocity, it would interpolate on each display frame
2015-08-19 00:49 <dahlia> just like avatars and physical objects do
2015-08-19 02:09 <osmantis> Bug #7688:04 Order of operations incorrect when subtracting two lsl vectors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7688 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007062.
2015-08-19 02:09 <osmantis> Bug #7062:04 utterly mystifying Syntax error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7062 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007688.
2015-08-19 02:11 <Plugh> Incorrect summary bug #7688
2015-08-19 02:11 <Plugh> s/summary/summary for/
2015-08-19 02:17 <Ubit> odd its the -
2015-08-19 02:20 <Ubit> yeap sumary is not good
2015-08-19 02:20 <Ubit> funny   vector c = (<7, 8, 9>) - <4, 5, 6>;  works fine
2015-08-19 02:21 <Ubit> and vector c = <7, 8, 9> + <4, 5, 6>
2015-08-19 02:43 <Plugh> yea, there are some issues with the LSL parser.
2015-08-19 04:02 <misterblue> I looked over the paper diva (haven't finished).... love that you used the Galton box experiment!!
2015-08-19 04:03 <diva> that's an awesome experiment, misterblue!
2015-08-19 04:05 <diva> how did you think of it?
2015-08-19 04:05 <diva> that's really clever
2015-08-19 04:05 <diva> (granted, I don't know much about benchmarks for physics engines)
2015-08-19 04:07 <misterblue> it came out of a discussion Mic and I were having one day... and then I was surprized to find there were actually papers on Galton box characteristics
2015-08-19 06:12 <dahlia> paper? o.0
2015-08-19 06:14 <dahlia> oh found in scrollback
2015-08-19 06:18 <dahlia> diva: I think justin described some of the framework in his master's thesis, might serve as a reference but not sure how up to date it is
2015-08-19 09:58 <lkalif> it's bright and sunny... so i can barely see my laptop screen lol
2015-08-19 13:11 <Ubit> var regions need to be square?
2015-08-19 13:15 <lkalif> yes
2015-08-19 13:15 <Ubit> ohh ok ty
2015-08-19 13:15 <Ubit> from code, dont see that restriction..  guess its on the intial region load
2015-08-19 13:16 <Ubit> well can't check if im doing a mess suporting unsquare at physics :)
2015-08-19 13:19 <Ubit> btw large regions show in map only as 256*256 ?
2015-08-19 13:22 <lkalif> the viewer is the limitation, it only uses a single number internally for both width and height
2015-08-19 13:22 <Ubit> ok, ty again
2015-08-19 13:27 <lkalif> i looked at one of those videos where linden ceo talks about SL2 aka Sansar
2015-08-19 13:28 <lkalif> doesn't sound very attractive to me
2015-08-19 13:28 <Ubit> ( silly me  the square restriction was at the web page i had open in back of others :) )
2015-08-19 13:29 <Ubit> hm no ideia what that SL2 is.. still :)
2015-08-19 13:29 <lkalif> it's not gonna be one world, but "series of experiences"
2015-08-19 13:29 <Ubit> hmm yeap several viewer related restrictions
2015-08-19 13:29 <Ubit> ( on vars )
2015-08-19 13:30 <Ubit> guess not that hard to fix same
2015-08-19 13:30 <Ubit> yr a viewer dev... we will talk again on that :)
2015-08-19 13:31 <osmantis> Bug #7451:04 FLOTSAM - Exception - cache file asset in use by another processs but this is impossible 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7451 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-19 13:33 <lkalif> i don't do much development these days
2015-08-19 13:37 <osmantis> Bug #7451:04 FLOTSAM - Exception - cache file asset in use by another processs but this is impossible 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7451 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-19 13:58 <osmantis> Bug #7690:04 Observing significant performance degradation on scene loading with commit d70db5 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7690 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-19 14:14 <osmantis> Bug #7690:04 Observing significant performance degradation on scene loading with commit d70db5 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7690 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-08-19 14:28 <misterblue> all the information about Sansar makes me think of Blue Mars... that world was pretty but empty
2015-08-19 15:12 <notskittles> hi, MANTIS-0007689 was marked as fixed but it still happens with 62f3399559a1214ee797d53be1bd1297d471a2b7
2015-08-19 15:13 <notskittles> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7689
2015-08-19 15:32 <diva> re-open in notskittles
2015-08-19 15:32 <diva> it
2015-08-19 15:35 <osmantis> Bug #7689:04 LSL List creating a ref when assigning values to another list instead of copying 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7689 ): has been REOPENED.
2015-08-19 15:47 <djphil> Hey BlueWall :)
2015-08-19 15:47 <djphil> http://www.imagerun.info/img201/klobklm05p5v1ln7.jpg
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2015-08-19 15:47 <djphil> http://www.imagerun.info/img201/tnelioymxgmqoghf.jpg
2015-08-19 15:47 <djphil> http://www.imagerun.info/img201/yvjt2a79xowuf8bd.jpg
2015-08-19 16:02 <notskittles> @diva i don't know how to reopen issues.
2015-08-19 16:03 <diva> I think you just did...
2015-08-19 16:05 <Plugh> Melanie reopened 7689
2015-08-19 16:12 <Ubit> ( xii 1024m regions are still not large enought for my plane :) )
2015-08-19 16:37 <Plugh> How big is your plane?
2015-08-19 16:47 <Ubit> 10m or so :)
2015-08-19 16:52 <Plugh> oh, you didn't mean that the plane doesn't fit in the region. It is too small an area when you are flying it.
2015-08-19 16:53 <Plugh> I was imagining a really, really big airplane.
2015-08-19 16:53 <Ubit> no.. its takeoff  boing hitting border :)
2015-08-19 16:53 <Plugh> You need one of those vertical take of aircraft. :)
2015-08-19 16:54 <Ubit> yeap a harrier or a f-35
2015-08-19 16:54 <Ubit> hmm 8km did took a while to mk terrain.. hmm
2015-08-19 16:55 <Ubit> some one wiht a a380 will need 32km at least
2015-08-19 17:37 <Plugh> I'd go for the Harrier. :)
2015-08-19 17:38 <Plugh> Ubit, if you want to do some flying (not in OpenSim) you can always use Flight Gear, or X-Plane.
2015-08-19 17:38 <Ubit> :)
2015-08-19 17:47 <Ubit> ohh my is like my brain: Out of memory
2015-08-19 17:48 <Ubit> ...my pc...
2015-08-19 18:14 <osmantis> Bug #7689:04 LSL List creating a ref when assigning values to another list instead of copying 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7689 ): has been ACKNOWLEDGED.
2015-08-19 18:43 <Melanie_T> funny but the methods in the list class don't even get called
2015-08-19 18:58 <notskittles> how strange. i've noticed a lot of oddities with lsl lists though.
2015-08-19 18:59 <Ubit> firestorm  gtp comand works on on big var regions ?
2015-08-19 18:59 <notskittles> and they're incredibly inefficient. i started reworking them, but then got swamped with more pressing stuff.
2015-08-19 19:01 <Melanie_T> some of thee stuff is hard to get right becaue sl has some strange parameter semantics
2015-08-19 19:01 <Melanie_T> like the meaning of negative values, etc
2015-08-19 19:02 <notskittles> no doubt. lsl can be bizarre. i have an ANTLR grammar file somewhere for lsl i wrote, and it still doesn't work quite right.
2015-08-19 19:04 <notskittles> but the list code i started working on used structs. there's a way to use a struct as a union rather than casting everything to object[].
2015-08-19 19:04 <notskittles> prolly put an enum type first then the value union.
2015-08-19 19:05 <notskittles> wish i had more time to work on it. :(
2015-08-19 19:06 <dahlia> I've never noticed performance issues with casting things to object
2015-08-19 19:07 <notskittles> list operations are definitely slower in opensim lsl than they are in sl.
2015-08-19 19:07 <dahlia> structs in collections can be a double edged sword too
2015-08-19 19:07 <notskittles> in my testing more than 40x slower.
2015-08-19 19:08 <dahlia> it wouldnt surprise me if lists are very cache hostile, just like they are in c++
2015-08-19 19:14 <Melanie_T> this issue affects other operations as well
2015-08-19 19:14 <Melanie_T> it's pretty evil
2015-08-19 19:23 <osmantis> Bug #6792:04 [BULLETS SCENE]: ProcessPostTaintTaints: BSLinksetCompound... System.NullReferenceException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6792 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-19 19:34 <osmantis> Bug #7451:04 FLOTSAM - Exception - cache file asset in use by another processs but this is impossible 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7451 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-19 19:46 <Plugh> Why do the Prescence table and GridUser table get out of sync in respects of the number of people online?
2015-08-19 19:46 <Plugh> Presence table says 5 people online. GridUser lists a whole lot more than that
2015-08-19 19:46 <Melanie_T> GridUser is not always set
2015-08-19 19:46 <Melanie_T> presence is authoritative
2015-08-19 19:48 <Plugh> Why is griduser not always set? Is that due to users crashing out of the grid?
2015-08-19 19:48 <Melanie_T> regions crashing
2015-08-19 19:48 <Plugh> ok
2015-08-19 19:48 <Melanie_T> whoever is in a region when it crashes doesn't get marked offline
2015-08-19 19:48 <Plugh> right
2015-08-19 19:48 <Melanie_T> but presence marks them offline as soon as the region they were supposedly in comes back
2015-08-19 19:51 <Plugh> ok
2015-08-19 19:51 <AliciaRaven> hypergrid visitors are oftern not marked as leaving aswell, happens alot that records in griduser table saying they are online
2015-08-19 19:51 <AliciaRaven> that happens without regions crashing
2015-08-19 19:51 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: That sounds like a bug if an HG user properly TP's away from the grid. 
2015-08-19 19:52 <AliciaRaven> yes, not sure what causes it but i see it alot
2015-08-19 19:57 <AliciaRaven> i will watch out for it happening and check the log when i see it, see if i can spot anything unusual
2015-08-19 19:58 <notskittles> maybe they are crashing out?
2015-08-19 20:00 <AliciaRaven> could be, seems to happen alot tho, might just be a failed tp, location not found
2015-08-19 20:09 <Plugh> I just wrote a SQL query that will tell me how many users are in regions on each region server.
2015-08-19 20:15 <Melanie_T> ths is so evil
2015-08-19 20:15 <Melanie_T> someone, i don't know why, decided back then to make all the lsl types structs
2015-08-19 20:15 <Melanie_T> except for the ilst
2015-08-19 20:15 <Melanie_T> that's a class
2015-08-19 20:15 <Melanie_T> list*
2015-08-19 20:16 <Melanie_T> it needs to be a struct, too, to fix the assignment problem
2015-08-19 20:34 <dahlia> Melanie_T: or just do a deep copy
2015-08-19 20:35 <Melanie_T> dahlia: no
2015-08-19 20:35 <Melanie_T> can't do that
2015-08-19 20:35 <dahlia> :P
2015-08-19 20:35 <Melanie_T> see
2015-08-19 20:35 <Melanie_T> lisst a = b
2015-08-19 20:35 <Melanie_T> make a be _the same_ object as b
2015-08-19 20:35 <Melanie_T> nothing i can within a can change that
2015-08-19 20:35 <dahlia> lists are objects
2015-08-19 20:36 <Melanie_T> lists are classes
2015-08-19 20:36 <Melanie_T> and should be structs
2015-08-19 20:36 <dahlia> even if they hold structs
2015-08-19 20:36 <dahlia> classes are objects 
2015-08-19 20:36 <Melanie_T> google why the c# assigment operator can't be overloaded
2015-08-19 20:36 <dahlia> structs are different
2015-08-19 20:36 <dahlia> dont use the assignment operator
2015-08-19 20:36 <Melanie_T> c# has different semantics re. class vs struct than ++
2015-08-19 20:36 <dahlia> yes I know that
2015-08-19 20:36 <Melanie_T> the scripts use assignment
2015-08-19 20:37 <Melanie_T> and unless i make sweeping changes to the parser/lexer
2015-08-19 20:37 <dahlia> the scripts could do a deep copy
2015-08-19 20:37 <Melanie_T> and the code generator
2015-08-19 20:37 <Melanie_T> that just isn't on the menu
2015-08-19 20:37 <dahlia> Im not saying you have to, I'm saying its possible
2015-08-19 20:37 <Melanie_T> it messes up a lot of other stuff
2015-08-19 20:37 <Melanie_T> no, not on the menu
2015-08-19 20:38 <Melanie_T> list should have been a struct from the start
2015-08-19 20:38 <dahlia> using structs in lists have other issues
2015-08-19 20:38 <Melanie_T> we don't have LSL lists in lists
2015-08-19 20:39 <dahlia> list[index].member = value <-- wont work
2015-08-19 20:50 <Plugh> Request POST failed with status ProtocolError and that remote server returned 404 not found  ??
2015-08-19 20:51 <dahlia> 
ACTION blames the apache devs...

2015-08-19 20:51 <Plugh> ok, thing I figured that one ou.
2015-08-19 21:02 <antont> dahlia: that kind of things seem to be hard sometimes with script bindings
2015-08-19 21:03 <antont> hm is that a prob in c# itself even
2015-08-19 21:16 <antont> yah i get an error when try to modify a struct field in an array in c# .. am not sure if is just my c# being too rusty or how that is :) http://csharppad.com/gist/48f58fd59abeaea3a111
2015-08-19 21:18 <Melanie_T> antont: c# is defined that way
2015-08-19 21:18 <Melanie_T> it's pointless
2015-08-19 21:18 <Melanie_T> a struct is a value type
2015-08-19 21:19 <Melanie_T> so you get a copy of the object, which you would then modify and the result would be discarded
2015-08-19 21:19 <Melanie_T> you need to do it explicitly
2015-08-19 21:19 <Melanie_T> create an instance of the struct and assign the one in the conteiner to it
2015-08-19 21:19 <Melanie_T> modify it
2015-08-19 21:19 <Melanie_T> and assign back into the container
2015-08-19 21:20 <antont> right makes sense ofc for value types
2015-08-19 21:21 <antont> (copied stuff)
2015-08-19 21:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #4291 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2015-08-19 21:21 <antont> was pretty nice that csharppad
2015-08-19 21:25 <osmantis> Bug #7689:04 LSL List creating a ref when assigning values to another list instead of copying 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7689 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-19 21:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4291: FAILURE in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4291/
2015-08-19 21:26 <osjenkins> melanie: Convert the lsl list type into a struct. EXPERIMENTAL! This may affect
2015-08-19 21:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #4292 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4290 22 hr ago)
2015-08-19 21:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4292: STILL FAILING in 4 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4292/
2015-08-19 21:30 <osjenkins> melanie: Add explicit initialization because mono 3 doesn't like what mono 2 allows
2015-08-19 21:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #4293 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4290 22 hr ago)
2015-08-19 21:41 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-08-19 21:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4293: FIXED in 4 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4293/
2015-08-19 21:41 <osjenkins> melanie: Fix a possible nullref caused by accessing m_data rather than Data
2015-08-19 21:41 <Melanie_T> all existing scripts will fail to load and be recompiled. state will not be lost
2015-08-19 21:42 <Melanie_T> of course if someone has writen scripts that depend on the bug they're S.O.L.
2015-08-19 21:59 <smxy> Melanie_T: Will that fail/recompile happen automaticlly, or need we do something?
2015-08-19 21:59 <Melanie_T> it should happen, although i can't test all cases
2015-08-19 21:59 <smxy> ok
2015-08-19 22:01 <dahlia> antont: last time I tried it assignment to a member of a strut in a list had no errors or warnings, but it was like 8 years ago 
2015-08-19 22:01 <dahlia> it just silently failed
2015-08-19 22:18 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-08-19 22:18 <Melanie_T> back then the compiler didn't see that as an error
2015-08-19 22:18 <Melanie_T> so that is what happened, you got a temporary copy and modified that, then that was discarded
2015-08-19 22:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #4294 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2015-08-19 22:20 <dahlia> Melanie_T: the few scripts I'm aware that I have that have lists seem to be working without me having to clear out my ScriptEngines folder
2015-08-19 22:20 <Melanie_T> they were probably recompiled on region startup
2015-08-19 22:20 <dahlia> probably
2015-08-19 22:20 <Melanie_T> the engine will recompile a script if there is a type load error when trying to run it
2015-08-19 22:21 <Melanie_T> if you have DeleteScriptsOnStartup set, that will cause all scripts to be compiled on each startup anyway
2015-08-19 22:21 <dahlia> I dont think I have it set unless it's a default
2015-08-19 22:21 <Melanie_T> it is but shouldn't be
2015-08-19 22:21 <Melanie_T> it's been talked about to change it
2015-08-19 22:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4294: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4294/
2015-08-19 22:23 <osjenkins> melanie: Partial plumbing for the agent stateful module features negotiation
2015-08-19 22:24 <osmantis> Bug #7673:04 Extra moving_end triggered by llSetKeyframedMotion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7673 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-19 22:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #4295 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-19 22:25 <dahlia> Melanie_T: cool ty I was going to do that one but got sidetracked midway
2015-08-19 22:26 <Melanie_T> with a 24 hour test, that was ready
2015-08-19 22:26 <Melanie_T> i did ask for testing and testing is what i got :)
2015-08-19 22:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4295: SUCCESS in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4295/
2015-08-19 22:29 <osjenkins> melanie: Fix multiple moving_end and add moving_start to llSetKeyframedMotion
2015-08-19 22:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #4296 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-19 22:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4296: SUCCESS in 4 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4296/
2015-08-19 22:46 <osjenkins> melanie: More plumbing on agent states
2015-08-20 00:03 <Plugh> Melanie_T: Your change to fix 7689 makes sense to me. If someone has a script that used the old bad behaviour, they will just have to update their script. 
2015-08-20 00:03 <Melanie_T> of course
2015-08-20 00:03 <Melanie_T> we can't suffer a bug to live
2015-08-20 00:04 <Plugh> Unless you are Commodore and have a bug in the Amiga operating system and it would break too many programs to fix the bug.
2015-08-20 00:04 <Melanie_T> Guru Meditation #afce4563
2015-08-20 00:04 <Plugh> :)
2015-08-20 00:05 <Plugh> I remember them stating they had to leave a known bug in one of their newer Workbench releases.
2015-08-20 00:06 <Melanie_T> well, this one was clearly once that needed squishing
2015-08-20 00:06 <Melanie_T> it may singlehandedly be responsible for the major alterations script sets like MLP needed to work
2015-08-20 00:06 <Melanie_T> considering that the main issue with them was menus not showing
2015-08-20 00:06 <Melanie_T> and making menus is a lot of list building
2015-08-20 00:07 <Melanie_T> of course, us not supporting RTL collation also contributes
2015-08-20 00:12 <Plugh> oh. MLP is one major mess of multiple scripts. I tried making some sense out of once and I thought better of it after a short while.
2015-08-20 00:12 <Plugh> I think it had one of those common issues for scripts from SL. That list hack.
2015-08-20 00:13 <Plugh> IIRC, I patched MLP a long time ago to get it working in Open Sim
2015-08-20 00:13 <Ubit> you 2? lol
2015-08-20 00:19 <Plugh> I thought of (re)writing it to clean it up and make it understandable but I have other things to work on.
2015-08-20 00:20 <Melanie_T> yes. it uses the hack for lists and scripts alike
2015-08-20 00:20 <Melanie_T> erm
2015-08-20 00:20 <Melanie_T> strings
2015-08-20 00:20 <Melanie_T> miffy hasn't really written clean code
2015-08-20 00:25 <Plugh> I talked to someone else recently who said they looked at the MLP code. They gave up on it after an hour.
2015-08-20 00:25 <Melanie_T> i never really did much with it
2015-08-20 00:26 <Melanie_T> i have my own multipose engine, written from scratch in 2007
2015-08-20 00:26 <Plugh> I just helped someone make it work in a grid. That was about it.
2015-08-20 00:26 <Melanie_T> unlike MLP, it's extensible
2015-08-20 00:26 <diva> what's MLP?
2015-08-20 00:26 <Melanie_T> MultiLovePose
2015-08-20 00:26 <Melanie_T> not My Little Pony
2015-08-20 00:26 <diva> ?
2015-08-20 00:26 <Melanie_T> sex beds
2015-08-20 00:27 <Melanie_T> mutianimation menu driven pixel sex
2015-08-20 00:27 <Melanie_T> used to be a good business which is why i wrote it
2015-08-20 00:27 <Melanie_T> not MLP
2015-08-20 00:27 <Melanie_T> but my own version
2015-08-20 00:27 <Plugh> Its often used in furniture to select sex poses/animations but is also useful for selecting poses/animations in items.
2015-08-20 00:27 <Melanie_T> i made over L$2M from it
2015-08-20 00:27 <Melanie_T> not bad for a week's work
2015-08-20 00:27 <Plugh> yeah, sex sells, even in virtual worlds.
2015-08-20 00:28 <Plugh> Nice.
2015-08-20 00:28 <Melanie_T> i don't see the appeal
2015-08-20 00:28 <Melanie_T> but what the market wants, the market gets
2015-08-20 00:28 <Plugh> Neither do I. 
2015-08-20 00:28 <Plugh> yup.
2015-08-20 00:28 <linkedinyou> is there a developed send email better then this https://github.com/OS-Development/OpenSim.Email/blob/master/OpenSimEmail/Modules/EmailModule/OpenEmail.cs#L304
2015-08-20 00:28 <Plugh> The only appeal is to make money by selling the items that a certain group of people want.
2015-08-20 00:30 <Plugh> linkedinyou: Look at the mail handling features available in .NET (but not sure if they are also in mono).
2015-08-20 00:30 <Plugh> The current OpenSim email sending is pretty basic.
2015-08-20 00:30 <Melanie_T> what you are probably looking for is outside the scope of a module
2015-08-20 00:31 <linkedinyou> Plugh: it is unsecure and basic
2015-08-20 00:31 <Plugh> linkedinyou: better is also a relative term. What feature(s) are you looking for?
2015-08-20 00:31 <Melanie_T> the email functionality provided by the known modules is inter-object email within the same sim and SMTP outbound sending through a separate SMTP host
2015-08-20 00:31 <Melanie_T> intersim email would be something a grid would have to build based on it's central infrastructure
2015-08-20 00:31 <dahlia> diva: been slowly reading your paper. Wasn't aware you were working with DSG. Cool :)
2015-08-20 00:32 <Melanie_T> and receiving email from outside would require a MTA
2015-08-20 00:32 <dahlia> 
ACTION wonders if diva's Galton box thingie could be considered an entropy source...

2015-08-20 00:32 <Plugh> Melanie_T: Right but the outbound to external SMTP host does not support most of the auth systems commonly in use on a lot of modern email servers.
2015-08-20 00:32 <linkedinyou> Melanie_T: already i have frontend send email for my UI of opensim but just playing if there is any benefit of sending emial vai region module
2015-08-20 00:32 <diva> I didn't; my student did at some point during an internship with Intel
2015-08-20 00:32 <dahlia> ah ok
2015-08-20 00:32 <diva> dahlia the Galton box credit goes to misterblue
2015-08-20 00:33 <Melanie_T> there is no need to have SMTPS between the sim and the smarthost as long as they both belong to one entity and security is via IP address veridication
2015-08-20 00:33 <diva> very clever!
2015-08-20 00:33 <linkedinyou> https://github.com/QuillLittlefeather/OpenEmail-Module--No-grid-2-grid-routing-/blob/master/OpenSimEmail/Modules/OpenSimEmail.cs
2015-08-20 00:33 <dahlia> Arthur was your student?
2015-08-20 00:33 <diva> he still is :)
2015-08-20 00:33 <dahlia> ah ok
2015-08-20 00:33 <dahlia> no PhD yet?
2015-08-20 00:33 <diva> he's about 1 year out
2015-08-20 00:34 <Melanie_T> data centers today don't allow snooping via promiscuous mode anymore, so MITM within one datacenter is nearly impossible
2015-08-20 00:34 <Melanie_T> so SMTP submission from sim to smarthost need not be encrypted
2015-08-20 00:34 <dahlia> diva: start cracking the whip :P
2015-08-20 00:34 <linkedinyou> Melanie_T: i already made the MTA the email but not achieved any secuess yet
2015-08-20 00:34 <Plugh> Melanie_T: I was talking with someone who does the tech support for a grid. The mail server that the grid would communicate with to send mail needs auth that isn't supported in OpenSim.
2015-08-20 00:34 <diva> yeah... I need to crack it harder...
2015-08-20 00:34 <Melanie_T> that is correct. however, it's not opensim. it's mono
2015-08-20 00:34 <dahlia> tell him to come by and say hi sometime
2015-08-20 00:35 <linkedinyou> i removed the ssl for developemt of the SMTP but what after?
2015-08-20 00:35 <diva> he should be working on his topic proposal right now
2015-08-20 00:35 <dahlia> opensim related?
2015-08-20 00:35 <Melanie_T> you do NOT need SSL for email from a sim to be submitted to your MTA
2015-08-20 00:35 <diva> dahlia yes
2015-08-20 00:35 <Melanie_T> why in heaven would you need that to be encrypted?
2015-08-20 00:35 <linkedinyou> i used LDAP for auth 
2015-08-20 00:36 <Plugh> diva, that paper looks interesting. I just find it hard to get in to that sort of acedemic paper to read much of it.
2015-08-20 00:36 <Melanie_T> i don't even see a need for auth
2015-08-20 00:36 <diva> not opensim engineering, but something related. We'd like to have distributed simulation of different aspects of these environments
2015-08-20 00:36 <Melanie_T> just put the machines hosting sims on the MTA's relay list
2015-08-20 00:36 <diva> Plugh yeah, sorry!
2015-08-20 00:37 <linkedinyou> Melanie_T: so how i will intgrate it with postfix
2015-08-20 00:37 <diva> there's a certain code of writing academic papers that makes them harder to read than blogs
2015-08-20 00:37 <linkedinyou> i have to use ldap
2015-08-20 00:37 <Melanie_T> why?
2015-08-20 00:37 <dahlia> lol
2015-08-20 00:37 <Plugh> Melanie_T: You need it if the only mail server you can pass mail to for delivery requires you to do a higher level of auth than is currently supported.
2015-08-20 00:37 <linkedinyou> rather then using mysql
2015-08-20 00:38 <Melanie_T> Plugh: you should run you own MTA, putting the sim servers on it's relay list and allow unencrypted, unauthed submission
2015-08-20 00:38 <Melanie_T> so these hosts can just drop mail
2015-08-20 00:38 <Plugh> diva, I've seen some other graphics related research papers before. If you are really in to that type of work/research one is probably used to reading that sort of thing but not me.
2015-08-20 00:38 <Melanie_T> then make your ISP mail server it's smarthost
2015-08-20 00:38 <dahlia> I used to read a lot of research papers at my gig at HP but since my eyes have crapped out I read a lot less, especially black fonts on white background
2015-08-20 00:38 <dahlia> I miss it :(
2015-08-20 00:38 <Plugh> Melanie_T: That is basically what I told them.
2015-08-20 00:39 <Melanie_T> for incoming, just configure postfix to use procmail
2015-08-20 00:39 <Melanie_T> and then make pipes in the recipe
2015-08-20 00:39 <linkedinyou> Melanie_T: let me check procmail i have not heard of it before
2015-08-20 00:39 <Plugh> Melanie_T: Not my grid. Not my problem. :)
2015-08-20 00:39 <Melanie_T> avination uses just that. we recently switched from qmail to procmail
2015-08-20 00:39 <Melanie_T> erm
2015-08-20 00:39 <Melanie_T> from qmail+procmail to postfix+procmail
2015-08-20 00:40 <Melanie_T> and we have a very complex messaging flow
2015-08-20 00:40 <Melanie_T> because we also have moble apps and use ppush requests
2015-08-20 00:40 <Plugh> Interesting. What is it about postfix that you like over qmail?
2015-08-20 00:40 <Melanie_T> qmail has been long unsupported
2015-08-20 00:40 <Melanie_T> lately, we have had two separate smap breakins on two different email servers
2015-08-20 00:41 <Melanie_T> spam*
2015-08-20 00:41 <Melanie_T> since the qmail serving avination was highly tuned, it was sending millions of spams per hour
2015-08-20 00:41 <Plugh> I used to use qmail. Had it on my own machine for a long time. Haven't put a mail server on my current machine since I updated to Linux distro I'm now running.
2015-08-20 00:41 <Melanie_T> not really good for ip reputation
2015-08-20 00:41 <linkedinyou> http://www.ii.com/internet/robots/procmail/qs/
2015-08-20 00:42 <Plugh> Melanie_T: Now that is interesting. Qmail used to say they were safer mail system than others. May have been true once but I suppose it isn't any more.
2015-08-20 00:42 <Melanie_T> anyway, email is a highly grid architecture specific thing
2015-08-20 00:42 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-08-20 00:42 <Melanie_T> so i can certainly advise individual grids, if they ask
2015-08-20 00:42 <Melanie_T> not for free, to be sure
2015-08-20 00:43 <Plugh> I had to look at an issue with a Sendmail based system recently. It is still as messy as I remembered.
2015-08-20 00:43 <Melanie_T> sendmail.cf double ugh, triple yech
2015-08-20 00:43 <Plugh> Actually, it isn't just that file any more.
2015-08-20 00:43 <Plugh> I had to make a change in sendmail.mc
2015-08-20 00:43 <Melanie_T> that is just the macro source
2015-08-20 00:44 <Melanie_T> then you compile it to sendmail.cf
2015-08-20 00:44 <Plugh> .m4 are the macro sources usually.
2015-08-20 00:44 <linkedinyou> Melanie_T: you right that all needed to be senior and secure too 
2015-08-20 00:44 <Melanie_T> if it moves......
2015-08-20 00:44 <Melanie_T> compile it
2015-08-20 00:44 <Plugh> If it moves... 
2015-08-20 00:44 <Plugh> shoot the programmer?  ;)
2015-08-20 00:45 <Melanie_T> so you don't seem to know about gentoo
2015-08-20 00:46 <Plugh> Stupid hosting company. They send notices to customers using their trouble ticket system.
2015-08-20 00:46 <Plugh> Then a few days later you get a message about you haven't responded to the issue so it has been automatically closed.
2015-08-20 00:47 <Plugh> Melanie_T: no, never used gentoo
2015-08-20 00:47 <Melanie_T> http://images.forwallpaper.com/files/images/f/ff91/ff916788/1038515/if-it-moves-compile-it.jpg
2015-08-20 00:48 <Plugh> Cute. I still don't quiet get it though.
2015-08-20 00:49 <Melanie_T> to compile: to gather, to collect
2015-08-20 00:49 <Plugh> oh.
2015-08-20 00:49 <Melanie_T> gentoo is distributed source only
2015-08-20 00:49 <Plugh> "We appreciate any feedback you have and will use this information to better serve you in the future."  Um... yea guys, I have a suggestion for you.
2015-08-20 00:49 <Melanie_T> (not quite true but you have to opt into binaries)
2015-08-20 00:49 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-08-20 00:49 <Plugh> yea, I know some people that were using it.
2015-08-20 00:50 <Melanie_T> their package manager, emerge, will compile the selected packages
2015-08-20 00:50 <Melanie_T> so "if it moves, compile it" became their slogan
2015-08-20 00:50 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-08-20 00:50 <Melanie_T> you lost 5 geekness points for not knowing
2015-08-20 00:51 <dahlia> you can use Sabayon if you want Gentoo but dont want to compile everything
2015-08-20 00:51 <Melanie_T> roll d8 to get 2 back
2015-08-20 00:51 <Plugh> I don't plan on entering a geek trivia contest about distros any time soon. I mostly know what I need to know, and also know of a lot of things I don't know about.
2015-08-20 00:52 <dahlia> I just use debian or ubuntu :D
2015-08-20 00:52 <dahlia> well kubunutu
2015-08-20 00:52 <Plugh> It's absolutely crazy how many distros and/or variations there are these days. Just look at distrowatch sometime.
2015-08-20 00:52 <dahlia> 
ACTION is lazy

2015-08-20 00:52 <dahlia> I have used gentoo tho
2015-08-20 00:53 <dahlia> not worth in IMO unless you are a serious linux geek
2015-08-20 00:53 <Plugh> There is a website all about rolling your own distro. I can find the bookmark for it if the site is still around.
2015-08-20 00:53 <Melanie_T> ubuntu is an ancient african word, which means "I don't know how to install Debian"
2015-08-20 00:54 <Plugh> Oh, I remember. It is called "Linux From Scratch". Just look for that.
2015-08-20 00:54 <Plugh> 
ACTION laughs

2015-08-20 00:54 <dahlia> Plugh: like the "Hannah Montana distro" ?
2015-08-20 00:54 <Saphira> rolling a distro? Now that I like to see
2015-08-20 00:54 <dahlia> lots of pink
2015-08-20 00:54 <Plugh> dahlia: I wouldn't doubt someone might have made something like that.
2015-08-20 00:55 <Plugh> 
ACTION thinks he should be trying to do something productive.

2015-08-20 00:55 <dahlia> Plugh: http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/
2015-08-20 00:55 <CakeDog> Plugh: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
2015-08-20 00:55 <Plugh> CakeDog: Yup. that's it.
2015-08-20 00:55 <CakeDog> oh lord did my network die
2015-08-20 00:55 <CakeDog> thats my fallback nick lol
2015-08-20 00:56 <Plugh> dahlia: Not sure I dare go near that site. :)
2015-08-20 00:56 <dahlia> lol
2015-08-20 00:56 <Plugh> wow, oh my. That is a lot of pink and purple.
2015-08-20 00:56 <CmdrCupcake> linuxfromscratch is a wonderful learning experience about linux plumbing and internals 
2015-08-20 00:56 <CmdrCupcake> 
ACTION has rolled it several times for various uses

2015-08-20 00:57 <Plugh> Figures they would use KDE. 
2015-08-20 00:57 <dahlia> http://biebian.sourceforge.net/
2015-08-20 00:57 <Plugh> CmdrCupcake: I used Morphix when I was making custom setup for use on a Kiosk.
2015-08-20 00:57 <Saphira> well, gnome would have been much harder to make purple
2015-08-20 00:58 <Plugh> dahlia: I like the "disclaimer" just above that first picture. :D
2015-08-20 00:59 <dahlia> lol
2015-08-20 00:59 <Plugh> Saphira: I looked at KDE once. Looked pretty but I didn't like the licensing of Qt that it was based on at the time or an issue about the sound system.
2015-08-20 00:59 <dahlia> ya he's way too busy throwing eggs at neighbors to be a linux geek
2015-08-20 01:01 <dahlia> hmmm... can't seem to find a kim kardashian distro...
2015-08-20 01:02 <dahlia> http://www.bbspot.com/news/2006/08/paris-hilton-tinkerbell-linux.html
2015-08-20 01:03 <CmdrCupcake> Gnome makes me sad now.
2015-08-20 01:04 <CmdrCupcake> Their window manager is...Uhm
2015-08-20 01:04 <Plugh> I had to check the date on that first.
2015-08-20 01:04 <CmdrCupcake> I do not have nice things to say lol
2015-08-20 01:04 <dahlia> I like kde
2015-08-20 01:04 <CmdrCupcake> It has some nasty bugs when you run intensive 3D applications under it for long periods of time(SL, any video game off Steam really)
2015-08-20 01:04 <CmdrCupcake> Yeah I like kde too.
2015-08-20 01:05 <CmdrCupcake> 
ACTION is trying to get that shiny alchemy opensim release out tonight

2015-08-20 01:05 <CmdrCupcake> 
ACTION stares at the linker thats eating 12 gigs of ram :)

2015-08-20 01:05 <Melanie_T> people havr brought gnome2 back
2015-08-20 01:05 <Plugh> hehe --> Linux Kernel Delayed By Microsoft's Army of Evil Monkeys
2015-08-20 01:05 <dahlia> still waiting (and waiting and waiting...) for weyland
2015-08-20 01:05 <Melanie_T> gnome3 needs to die
2015-08-20 01:05 <Plugh> yup. I moved to Linux Mint to keep my Gnome 2 style desktop. 
2015-08-20 01:06 <Melanie_T> it's funny that both microsoft and gnome made the same mistake
2015-08-20 01:06 <Plugh> If it ain't broke (for me), ... 
2015-08-20 01:06 <Melanie_T> thinking desktop users want a big tablet
2015-08-20 01:06 <Plugh> It may not be all flashy and such but it does what I need it to do.
2015-08-20 01:06 <CmdrCupcake> Oh that reminds me I need to dust off our linux update branch too ;)
2015-08-20 01:06 <CmdrCupcake> WIP wayland support!
2015-08-20 01:06 <dahlia> I can live with the windows 8 tile stuff but the full-screen apps are... ewwww
2015-08-20 01:07 <dahlia> why bother even calling it windows?
2015-08-20 01:07 <Plugh> dahlia: Install Start Menu if you want to make life with Win8 a little more pleasant.
2015-08-20 01:07 <dahlia> the tile start thing is ok
2015-08-20 01:08 <Melanie_T> well, there is a simple reason
2015-08-20 01:08 <dahlia> I can't find apps any easier on it than any other but I just type a few letters of the app name and it launches
2015-08-20 01:08 <Melanie_T> computers have by now penetrated all layers of society
2015-08-20 01:09 <Melanie_T> and there are just some people who'd rather give all of their attention to one task
2015-08-20 01:09 <Plugh> dahlia: That is one of those features you have to know about some how or else it is a waste of a feature.
2015-08-20 01:09 <Melanie_T> because many different windows can be confusing
2015-08-20 01:09 <Melanie_T> quite the opposite of me
2015-08-20 01:09 <Melanie_T> i disable tabs wherever i can
2015-08-20 01:09 <Melanie_T> i have three 27" screens
2015-08-20 01:09 <Melanie_T> and a huge number of open windows
2015-08-20 01:09 <dahlia> Plugh: ya m$oft does a really crappy job of telling people how to find things
2015-08-20 01:10 <dahlia> thats a big part of the problem
2015-08-20 01:10 <Melanie_T> i've also experienced pretty much by ny own observation that some people aren't grokking hierarchical data organization
2015-08-20 01:10 <dahlia> the OS is fine, communication about how to use it is nonexistant
2015-08-20 01:10 <Plugh> dahlia: My dad had trouble finding out how to shutdown WIndows 10 after his computer had upgraded to that latest best from MS
2015-08-20 01:10 <Melanie_T> which is why the popular devices all offer flat lsts and search
2015-08-20 01:10 <Melanie_T> rather than trees
2015-08-20 01:11 <Melanie_T> incidentall, apple and amazon both got loads of requests from users who wanted to remove titles from the "my items" (my songs) lists
2015-08-20 01:12 <Melanie_T> both denied those on the same reason
2015-08-20 01:12 <Plugh> People don't seem to have a clue about that sort of thing. Just ask people if they can find things in their grid inventory. Often, no. They didn't bother creating a lot of folders and sub-folders to keep things organized.
2015-08-20 01:12 <dahlia> apple never listens to customers
2015-08-20 01:12 <dahlia> they tell their followers how to think
2015-08-20 01:12 <Plugh> hehe'
2015-08-20 01:12 <Melanie_T> it it were possible to remove items from the "root" list (while keeping them in playlists or such) there qould be too many complaints from people who could not find their stuff anymore
2015-08-20 01:13 <Melanie_T> do both amazon (kndle) and apple (ios) insist on the root list (my songs, my books) always having to contain everything one owns
2015-08-20 01:13 <Melanie_T> as i own several hundred of each (book and songs) that is really tedious for me
2015-08-20 01:14 <dahlia> dunno, I dont use either service
2015-08-20 01:14 <Melanie_T> because both also lack a "recent purchases" category
2015-08-20 01:14 <Melanie_T> amazon lack a "unread" one, too
2015-08-20 01:14 <Melanie_T> and that is something i'd love to have, when i buy series of books for later reading, then forget the names
2015-08-20 01:15 <dahlia> lol
2015-08-20 01:15 <Melanie_T> they want ot force everyone to use playlists (reading lists)
2015-08-20 01:15 <dahlia> maybe they want you to buy it again
2015-08-20 01:15 <Melanie_T> but i don't want that
2015-08-20 01:15 <Melanie_T> no, you get alerted if you already have it
2015-08-20 01:15 <Melanie_T> point is, i can't find my stuff
2015-08-20 01:15 <Melanie_T> it would be so easy to show "recent purchases"
2015-08-20 01:16 <Melanie_T> maybe the last 100 items in reverse chronological order
2015-08-20 01:16 <Melanie_T> but i'd much rather have a "read" or "seen" folder for kindle/itunes
2015-08-20 01:16 <Melanie_T> where i can move the stuff i know i have
2015-08-20 01:17 <Melanie_T> so that the root will always only have newuncategorized items
2015-08-20 01:17 <Melanie_T> but no
2015-08-20 01:17 <Melanie_T> instead they give us...
2015-08-20 01:17 <Melanie_T> "Apple Music"
2015-08-20 01:17 <Melanie_T> the most cringeworthy of all music services
2015-08-20 01:17 <Melanie_T> and so aggressively ushed, you can't navigate "music" anymore to search for local titles without being offered purchases and subscriptions, ugh
2015-08-20 01:18 <dahlia> lol
2015-08-20 01:19 <dahlia> if I want to listen to something it's usually on youtube. If I listen to it a lot I usually buy it from the artist's site
2015-08-20 01:19 <Melanie_T> youtube has nothing for me
2015-08-20 01:19 <Melanie_T> i don't need 3 1/2 minute snippets of pop tunes
2015-08-20 01:20 <Melanie_T> i buy the 8min+ remixes off DJ music sites
2015-08-20 01:20 <Melanie_T> i don't need "cloud" and i don't need subscription
2015-08-20 01:20 <Melanie_T> i prefer to own
2015-08-20 01:20 <dahlia> i'm not a remix fan but I probably would too if I was
2015-08-20 01:20 <Melanie_T> not even about fandom, i'm a dj
2015-08-20 01:20 <dahlia> Im not :)
2015-08-20 01:20 <Melanie_T> i know
2015-08-20 01:21 <dahlia> but I did have a pirate radio station in my teens, complete with mixer board, 2 ampex reel to reels and 2 qrk turntables
2015-08-20 01:22 <dahlia> we got up to 180 watts for a while there
2015-08-20 01:22 <Melanie_T> :)
2015-08-20 01:23 <dahlia> kinda fun when your transmitter bleeds into your mixer and causes feedback...
2015-08-20 04:37 <osmantis> Bug #7595:04 Global LSL List empty upon reset when assigned in state_entry 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7595 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007689.
2015-08-20 04:37 <osmantis> Bug #7689:04 LSL List creating a ref when assigning values to another list instead of copying 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7689 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007595.
2015-08-20 04:38 <osmantis> Bug #7595:04 Global LSL List empty upon reset when assigned in state_entry 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7595 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-20 04:38 <osmantis> Bug #7595:04 Global LSL List empty upon reset when assigned in state_entry 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7595 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-20 08:24 <osmantis> Bug #7691:04 Script runtime error - commit 662b59 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7691 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-20 08:24 <osmantis> Bug #7691:04 Script runtime error - commit 662b59 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7691 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-08-20 08:27 <osmantis> Bug #7691:04 Script runtime error - commit 662b59 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7691 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007689.
2015-08-20 08:27 <osmantis> Bug #7689:04 LSL List creating a ref when assigning values to another list instead of copying 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7689 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007691.
2015-08-20 08:28 <osmantis> Bug #7691:04 Script runtime error - commit 662b59 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7691 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-08-20 09:17 <osmantis> Bug #7681:04 DNS host resolution quirk on mono 4.0.3.20 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7681 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-20 09:18 <osmantis> Bug #7681:04 DNS host resolution quirk on mono 4.0.3.20 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7681 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2015-08-20 16:50 <JeffKelley> Melanie_T : did you say list a = b is a shallow copy ?
2015-08-20 19:04 <Melanie_T> JeffKelley: list was defined as a class, so it wasn't even a shallow copy but instead it was just a reference copy
2015-08-20 19:05 <Melanie_T> lsl doesn't know shallow from deep anyway as it doesn't allow nesting of lists
2015-08-20 19:05 <Melanie_T> all LSL types are value types and makinf the list a struct simply refleacts that and gives tha list value semantics
2015-08-20 19:06 <JeffKelley> i so, list a = [ 1,2,3 ]; list b = a; list a += [ 4 ], then b should be [ 1,2,3,4 ] ?
2015-08-20 20:12 <dahlia> JeffKelley: does it do that in SL?
2015-08-20 20:12 <JeffKelley> no
2015-08-20 20:25 <JeffKelley> since there is nowhere a notion of 'reference' in lsl, it makes sense for scripters that assignation is a copy
2015-08-20 20:26 <Melanie_T> LSL is a purely by-value language
2015-08-20 20:26 <Melanie_T> it doesn't have reference types
2015-08-20 20:26 <Melanie_T> so every assignment is a copy
2015-08-20 20:26 <Melanie_T> and since lists can only contain scalars, there is no notion of "deep"
2015-08-20 20:27 <Melanie_T> since deep copy only pertains to objects that contain references
2015-08-20 20:27 <Melanie_T> every copy in LSL could be seen as "deep"
2015-08-20 20:27 <Melanie_T> and my change gives list pure value semantics
2015-08-20 20:27 <Melanie_T> because it's prior reference behavior is a bug in the context fo LSL
2015-08-20 20:30 <JeffKelley> s/assignation/assignment/ (pfffff)
2015-08-20 20:31 <dahlia> all assignments are copy... some just copy references :)
2015-08-20 21:03 <osmantis> Bug #7692:04 Rezzed objects lost from region after server restart ("sim crash") 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7692 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-20 21:45 <osmantis> Bug #7691:04 Script runtime error - commit 662b59 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7691 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-08-21 00:58 <osmantis> Bug #7693:04 i can't log in on Osgrid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7693 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-21 01:17 <osmantis> Bug #7694:04 llrequestpermissions and llhttprequest dont get object owner name then the owner is an HG user 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7694 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-21 01:18 <osmantis> Bug #7694:04 llrequestpermissions and llhttprequest dont get object owner name then the owner is an HG user 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7694 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-08-21 01:19 <osmantis> Bug #7693:04 i can't log in on Osgrid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7693 ): has been CLOSED
2015-08-21 01:24 <osmantis> Bug #7694:04 llrequestpermissions and llhttprequest dont get object owner name then the owner is an HG user 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7694 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-21 01:26 <dahlia> heh in that "I can't log in on Osgrid" mantis he had the "Run Mode" set as standlone
2015-08-21 01:27 <Plugh> oops :)
2015-08-21 01:27 <Ubit> lol
2015-08-21 01:27 <Melanie_> my assumption is "ubuntu" LOL
2015-08-21 01:27 <Melanie_> if you get my drift
2015-08-21 01:28 <dahlia> said windows
2015-08-21 01:28 <Ubit> 
ACTION holds Melanie_ so she doesn't drift off channel...

2015-08-21 01:28 <Melanie_> "ubuntu" is an ancient african word meaning "I'm too dump to install debian"
2015-08-21 01:28 <Melanie_> dumb*
2015-08-21 01:28 <Ubit> :)
2015-08-21 01:29 <Melanie_> e.g. the person probably didn't know or care to set the fields accordingly
2015-08-21 01:29 <dahlia> oh I thought it meant "I'm too dumb to add repositorys to apt"
2015-08-21 01:32 <osmantis> Bug #7694:04 llrequestpermissions and llhttprequest dont get object owner name then the owner is an HG user 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7694 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-21 01:36 <osmantis> Bug #7694:04 llrequestpermissions and llhttprequest dont get object owner name then the owner is an HG user 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7694 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-08-21 02:43 <osmantis> Bug #7695:04 is there a way to avoid the 22ms delay before http_request event is fired? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7695 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-21 02:56 <osmantis> Bug #7691:04 Script runtime error - commit 662b59 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7691 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-21 09:07 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region or grey viewer screen and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-21 14:19 <osmantis> Bug #7696:04 [PATCH] Refine comments .ini file setup for new Standalone 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7696 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-21 14:20 <osmantis> Bug #7696:04 [PATCH] Refine comments .ini file setup for new Standalone 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7696 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-08-21 14:22 <osmantis> Bug #7696:04 [PATCH] Refine comments .ini file setup for new Standalone 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7696 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-08-21 14:22 <osmantis> Bug #7696:04 [PATCH] Refine comments .ini file setup for new Standalone 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7696 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-08-21 16:43 <osmantis> Bug #7696:04 [PATCH] Refine comments .ini file setup for new Standalone 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7696 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-21 16:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #4297 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-21 16:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4297: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4297/
2015-08-21 16:54 <osjenkins> melanie: Refine comments .ini file setup for new Standalone
2015-08-21 18:31 <Wanderer_42> Hi. I run standalone. And I received with "show names" some UUIDs. One is
2015-08-21 18:31 <Wanderer_42> 762d5083-bbf9-43c0-9f0d-15ce817048ad  Cotytto.Bonetto @users.osgrid.org  http://users.osgrid.org/762d5083-bbf9-43c0-9f0d-15ce817048ad/  no
2015-08-21 18:31 <Wanderer_42> What is the meaning?  I dont know this user. Is the a sort of connection from outside?
2015-08-21 18:31 <Wanderer_42>  
2015-08-21 18:31 <Melanie_> that's a hypergird visior
2015-08-21 18:32 <Melanie_> visitor
2015-08-21 18:33 <Wanderer_42> I have no HG enabled 
2015-08-21 18:33 <Wanderer_42> And I cannot see anybody
2015-08-21 18:34 <Wanderer_42> There was no message in the console. This is strange
2015-08-21 18:37 <Wanderer_42> So no Idea ?  Should I file a mantis?
2015-08-21 18:58 <nebadon> Wanderer_42
2015-08-21 18:58 <Wanderer_42> here
2015-08-21 18:58 <nebadon> its probably coming in via some content you have
2015-08-21 18:58 <nebadon> last owner or creatorID
2015-08-21 18:58 <nebadon> Cotytto Bonetto made 100s if not 1000s of freebies for OSgrid
2015-08-21 18:58 <Wanderer_42> I see. Yes, I have some plants
2015-08-21 18:59 <Wanderer_42> For me this looks like an bug. I cannot see any sense in the message. This confuses Users like me. Should I file a mantis or make a suggestion ?
2015-08-21 19:00 <Wanderer_42> Or is there a reason for that ?
2015-08-21 19:25 <nebadon> Wanderer_42 well there is not much we can do about it
2015-08-21 19:25 <nebadon> content comes from all over the place
2015-08-21 19:25 <nebadon> show names is not a visitor list
2015-08-21 19:25 <nebadon> do not use it as such
2015-08-21 19:26 <Wanderer_42> Thank you, for amking this clear. I really thought, this command shows all connected users
2015-08-21 19:26 <Wanderer_42> *making
2015-08-21 19:26 <nebadon> no problem
2015-08-21 19:48 <diva> there was a mantis with a proposal to change something in the assets table to make it perform better (?) that was rejected. Melanie_T you may have been the one -1-ing it. Do you remember? Can you point me to it?
2015-08-21 19:48 <diva> as usual I can't find anything on that system...
2015-08-21 19:49 <diva> this was recent
2015-08-21 19:49 <diva> like, last week
2015-08-21 19:49 <nebadon> i recall a mantis where someone was requesting a last access timestamp
2015-08-21 19:49 <nebadon> that melanie rejected
2015-08-21 19:49 <diva> something like that. Can oyu fond it?
2015-08-21 19:49 <diva> find
2015-08-21 19:49 <AliciaRaven> there was also one further back to remove the name and description because they are never used, that info comes from inventory table
2015-08-21 19:50 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7676
2015-08-21 19:50 <diva> can you find me that one too? I'm compiling a collection of patches that have been rejected
2015-08-21 19:50 <AliciaRaven> asset table is full of strings like "From IAR" in descriptions
2015-08-21 19:50 <AliciaRaven> i will have a look
2015-08-21 19:50 <diva> thanks neb that was it!
2015-08-21 19:50 <nebadon> i dont recall the one AliciaRaven was talking about
2015-08-21 19:50 <nebadon> k cool
2015-08-21 19:54 <AliciaRaven> ah the one im talking about is still open, the part about name and description not being used came up in comments as related to the main subject, but in irc melanie said removing those fields from the table would cause too much down time for large grids so should be left
2015-08-21 19:54 <AliciaRaven> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350
2015-08-21 19:56 <diva> ok thanks. it didn't have apatch though
2015-08-21 19:58 <AliciaRaven> diva
2015-08-21 19:58 <AliciaRaven> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7676
2015-08-21 19:59 <diva> yep thanks that was it
2015-08-21 19:59 <Melanie_> every year or so, someone comes with a cleaver idea on how to garbage collect assets
2015-08-21 19:59 <Melanie_> but we've had all the clever ideas already
2015-08-21 20:00 <Melanie_> and they all wound up in the bin because hard disks are cheaper
2015-08-21 20:01 <Melanie_> there is just no reasonable way to GC assets 
2015-08-21 20:01 <Melanie_> and assets really don't have a name and description - those fileds were added before the many-to-one relationship of assets and inventory items was understood
2015-08-21 20:02 <Melanie_> so at that point it was believed that every inventiry item represents a unique asset and that the asset would be copied when copying the inventory item
2015-08-21 20:03 <AliciaRaven> yes, but they have data in the table for name and description, and loading IAR sets the name to "From IAR" even tho its never used for anything
2015-08-21 20:03 <lkalif> i don't recall that ever being the case
2015-08-21 20:03 <dahlia> I think SL GC's assets
2015-08-21 20:04 <dahlia> I know they did in the past
2015-08-21 20:04 <dahlia> probably easier on a closed grid
2015-08-21 20:04 <Melanie_> there is an inventory item flag that is set when a new asset is associated with an inventory item
2015-08-21 20:04 <lkalif> dahlia: they have some lesser storage where they shove least used stuff
2015-08-21 20:04 <AliciaRaven> i still think GC is posible, the uuid gather for IAR and OAR will find uuids inside scripts and notecards
2015-08-21 20:04 <Melanie_> whenever an action occurs that would link that asset to another item, like copying, or giving, that flag is reset
2015-08-21 20:05 <Melanie_> so if any item is deleted that has that flag set, the asset can be deleted
2015-08-21 20:05 <Melanie_> since we never implemented that
2015-08-21 20:05 <Melanie_> didn't know of it before we could read viewer source
2015-08-21 20:05 <Melanie_> we never provided this option
2015-08-21 20:05 <Melanie_> it is one way SL handles assets that they can be sure to be able to delete
2015-08-21 20:06 <Melanie_> like a texture uploaded but never used
2015-08-21 20:06 <lkalif> you cannot rely on reference counting
2015-08-21 20:06 <Melanie_> it's not refernce counting
2015-08-21 20:06 <diva> http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/opensim/policies-for-patching-opensimulator/
2015-08-21 20:06 <diva> let me know if I should change anything there
2015-08-21 20:06 <Melanie_> it's just a but flag that SL uses to denite that the asset attached to a given item is known not to exist elsewhere
2015-08-21 20:06 <dahlia> some have tried making oars and iars of their whole grid but I think you use inventory links with that approach
2015-08-21 20:06 <lkalif> you can use texture id in a script
2015-08-21 20:07 <dahlia> s/use/lose
2015-08-21 20:07 <diva> Melanie_ please read that post and let me know if you want me to change anything
2015-08-21 20:07 <lkalif> a flag cannot help you with script use
2015-08-21 20:07 <diva> dahlia too
2015-08-21 20:07 <Melanie_> lkalif: the action of applying the texture to a prim, or using "copy asset id", lears that flag
2015-08-21 20:07 <Melanie_> or at least that was the intention
2015-08-21 20:07 <dahlia> 
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2015-08-21 20:07 <Melanie_> afk
2015-08-21 20:08 <lkalif> the sim never gets notified about "copy asset id"
2015-08-21 20:15 <dahlia> diva: I would think multiple logical changes could be in a patch if they only affect a single feature (like the feature the patch enables)
2015-08-21 20:15 <dahlia> but not if they affect anything else
2015-08-21 20:16 <diva> ok. we should probably change that document then
2015-08-21 20:16 <diva> let me do it
2015-08-21 20:16 <dahlia> well if you agree :)
2015-08-21 20:16 <diva> yes I agree
2015-08-21 20:16 <osmantis> Bug #7697:04 OpenSim.ini.example [Network] ExternalHostNameForLSL default not very helpful. $BaseURL minus leading 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7697 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-21 20:17 <osmantis> Bug #7697:04 OpenSim.ini.example [Network] ExternalHostNameForLSL default not very helpful. $BaseURL minus leading http:// might be better 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7697 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-08-21 20:17 <osmantis> Bug #7697:04 OpenSim.ini.example [Network] ExternalHostNameForLSL default not very helpful. $BaseURL minus leading http:// might be better 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7697 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-08-21 20:18 <diva> changed it
2015-08-21 20:18 <dahlia> I tend to consider breaking things up so it can make bisecting easier
2015-08-21 20:18 <dahlia> not sure if there are other tangible benefits
2015-08-21 20:19 <osmantis> Bug #7697:04 OpenSim.ini.example [Network] ExternalHostNameForLSL default not very helpful. $BaseURL minus leading http:// might be better 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7697 ): has been UPDATED.
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2015-08-21 20:23 <dahlia> diva: I also like to encourage those considering submitting patches to develop a working relationship with one or more core developers and consult with them frequently
2015-08-21 20:23 <dahlia> otherwise looks good :)
2015-08-21 20:24 <AliciaRaven> also good if they come in irc and ask questions
2015-08-21 20:32 <H-H-H> hey guys i have 2 questions lol does opensim have a swim animation and how can i hurt my av (ide like to be able to depleat or relenish health 
2015-08-21 20:33 <AliciaRaven> the fall animation looks abit like swimming
2015-08-21 20:34 <H-H-H> doesnt sl auto swim if av is in deep water? i cant remember as havent used it in yrs lol
2015-08-21 20:34 <AliciaRaven> health needs to be enabled in the parcel settings, then use script calls to change it, not tested that feature myself tho
2015-08-21 20:35 <AliciaRaven> no, walks along seabed
2015-08-21 20:36 <H-H-H> hmmmmm i spose it would have to be done via a script to determin the av,s position with reference to water hieght and then change animation
2015-08-21 20:36 <AliciaRaven> also if u jump off a large building and land on your face it takes health lol
2015-08-21 20:36 <H-H-H> ty AliciaRaven
2015-08-21 20:36 <AliciaRaven> np
2015-08-21 20:37 <H-H-H> what happens when you run out of health
2015-08-21 20:37 <AliciaRaven> head explodes :)
2015-08-21 20:37 <H-H-H> you respawn 
2015-08-21 20:37 <AliciaRaven> jk i dont know, i would expect to respawn (tp home) but thats a total guess
2015-08-21 20:38 <H-H-H> im going to try it lol
2015-08-21 20:40 <H-H-H> hmmm i just flew straight up for bout 30 secs then let the av go splat on the floor and its still got 100% health lol
2015-08-21 20:40 <AliciaRaven> 1000 ways to die in opensim, number 283, stand under nebadons bulletsim ball drop test and call him rude names lol
2015-08-21 20:40 <AliciaRaven> i guess i was wrong about that then lol
2015-08-21 20:40 <H-H-H> anyone know any script examples for adding/removing health?
2015-08-21 20:40 <H-H-H> 
ACTION goes to consult google

2015-08-21 20:58 <H-H-H> all the scripts i can find just change an internal integer not the actual health of the av :>
2015-08-21 21:00 <AliciaRaven> llSetDamage ?
2015-08-21 21:01 <H-H-H> hmm ty i dont know why i didnt find that lol
2015-08-21 21:01 <AliciaRaven> doesnt accept an avatar key tho so i dunno how it knows who to damage
2015-08-21 21:02 <AliciaRaven> oh that sets how much damage is done when the prim hits an avatar
2015-08-21 21:03 <AliciaRaven> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlSetDamage
2015-08-21 21:04 <H-H-H> thats exactly what im looking at now
2015-08-21 21:04 <AliciaRaven> not what i was expecting, will be hard to do what ur looking for
2015-08-21 21:05 <H-H-H> im looking to simulate life so for example you can get ill from eating something bad or healed if eating something good
2015-08-21 21:12 <H-H-H> hmmmmm i think we need an ossl function that allows llSetDamage(int,key)
2015-08-21 21:13 <H-H-H> thoughts /
2015-08-21 21:14 <AliciaRaven> would have to be high threat level but id say it would be usefull
2015-08-21 21:15 <AliciaRaven> i had just assumed thats how it was set, i guess LL did it their way to stop people killing anyone they want in parcels with damage enabled
2015-08-21 21:16 <H-H-H> yeah its kind of limited in its usefullness as it is lol
2015-08-21 21:16 <AliciaRaven> you could always drop an invisible primon their head if they do something bad lol
2015-08-21 21:18 <H-H-H> right i need to swap systems lol i dont have monodevelop on here yet lol
2015-08-21 21:18 <H-H-H> brb
2015-08-21 21:20 <Ubit> viewers seem to have a bug ( or a pack of bugs) on varregions doTeleportViaLocation
2015-08-21 21:21 <Ubit> if u see on its debug log something like:
2015-08-21 21:21 <Ubit> newview/llagent.cpp(4731) : 2015-08-20T18:39:58Z WARNING: LLAgent::doTeleportViaLocation: Using deprecated teleportlocationrequest.
2015-08-21 21:22 <Ubit> then it most likelly sent you to a wrong location ( or fs may even crash )
2015-08-21 21:22 <Ubit> (other viewers may display other msgs.)
2015-08-21 21:22 <Ubit> this can't be fix region side 
2015-08-21 21:25 <Ubit> their math on computing a global position in (regionHandler +  localposition) form  is wrong in that case
2015-08-21 22:11 <H-H-H> hey AliciRaven im looking at the source and there is a ossl function that takes a av name and a float 
2015-08-21 22:13 <H-H-H> osCauseDamage(string avatar,floatdamage)
2015-08-21 22:15 <dahlia> one could also do one's own health/mana/whatever tracking independently
2015-08-21 22:43 <H-H-H> hmmmmmmm this is strange lol anyone able to dbl check something for me?
2015-08-21 22:44 <H-H-H> http://pastebin.com/JrhkaXjV
2015-08-21 22:44 <H-H-H> that script should deduct 50 from my health
2015-08-21 22:45 <H-H-H> however it just sends me the im
2015-08-21 22:45 <H-H-H> no errors or anything
2015-08-21 22:45 <H-H-H> my osslenable.ini has this
2015-08-21 22:45 <H-H-H>  Allow_osCauseDamage =             ${XEngine|osslParcelO}ESTATE_MANAGER,ESTATE_OWNER
2015-08-21 22:45 <H-H-H> and the av im using is the estate owner
2015-08-21 22:46 <nebadon> is user a god?
2015-08-21 22:46 <nebadon> might not be able to hurt gods
2015-08-21 22:46 <H-H-H> hmmmmm let me check although shouldnt be
2015-08-21 22:47 <nebadon> i know stuff like push and telport routing do not effect gods
2015-08-21 22:47 <H-H-H> well it let me enter god mode so i guess i should retest with a normal user
2015-08-21 22:47 <nebadon> k
2015-08-21 22:48 <H-H-H> altho the normal user wont be able to due to the setting in osslenable.ini what would yu recomend?
2015-08-21 22:48 <nebadon> groups maybe?
2015-08-21 22:48 <nebadon> that is probably the only option
2015-08-21 22:48 <nebadon> its not ideal though
2015-08-21 22:49 <osmantis> Bug #7698:04 GetDisplayNamesHandler send sometimes a "Unknown UserUMMAU42" as display name to the user. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7698 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-21 22:49 <osmantis> Bug #7698:04 GetDisplayNamesHandler send sometimes a "Unknown UserUMMAU42" as display name to the user. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7698 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-08-21 22:54 <H-H-H> ok i think its broken lol
2015-08-21 22:54 <H-H-H> i just created a normal user and tried that after setting Allow_osCauseDamage=true in the ini file and it still does nothing
2015-08-21 22:58 <H-H-H> unless the sim isnt sending the healoth updates i dunno 
2015-08-21 22:58 <H-H-H> might have to do a mantis
2015-08-21 22:59 <nebadon> yea I dont have any experience with it
2015-08-21 23:01 <H-H-H> i just did a quick check to see if ossl functions are working and they are as i can get the script engine name with osGetScriptEngineName which is in same security group (ThreatLevel High)
2015-08-21 23:08 <osmantis> Bug #7699:04 osCauseDamage doesnt seem to actually do anything 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7699 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-21 23:09 <ChrisWeymann[AFK> H-H-H i have test your script too. Its work at me without any problem. My damage is set to 50%. In the config it is set to true. You are sure you have allow damage on the parcel and in the estate?
2015-08-21 23:10 <H-H-H> yes as it is shown in the viewer top bar but will dbl check
2015-08-21 23:12 <H-H-H> yes it is enabled in the estate setings dialog 
2015-08-21 23:12 <ChrisWeymann[AFK> hmm
2015-08-21 23:13 <H-H-H>  Allow_osCauseDamage =             true
2015-08-21 23:13 <H-H-H> thats in my osslEnable.ini
2015-08-21 23:13 <H-H-H> it should be enabled :>
2015-08-21 23:19 <ChrisWeymann[AFK> me is happend that i have an entry twicein the config and the wronge one was used
2015-08-21 23:21 <H-H-H> this is my osslEnable.ini http://pastebin.com/dCCJk1HG
2015-08-21 23:22 <H-H-H> unless im blind its only listed once and set to true
2015-08-21 23:22 <H-H-H> also can you tell me your setup as im running grid mode 1 region per sim on linux 32bit with everything running on one box
2015-08-21 23:24 <ChrisWeymann[AFK> your OSFunctionThreatLevel is on verylow
2015-08-21 23:25 <H-H-H> yes but the allow function explicitly sets that function to true
2015-08-21 23:26 <H-H-H> This is the default level and can be overridden with the Allow_ specifications.
2015-08-21 23:27 <H-H-H> unless im reading that wrong but then the osGetScriptEngineName would nopt have worked as that is same threat level as osCauseDamage
2015-08-21 23:30 <ChrisWeymann[AFK> hmm you have right... at me its works with verylow and true too
2015-08-21 23:31 <H-H-H> which version of simulator are you on
2015-08-21 23:33 <ChrisWeymann[AFK> im run a current dev version
2015-08-21 23:33 <H-H-H> im on git head
2015-08-21 23:36 <ChrisWeymann[AFK> i have try it on the head version too. with the sam config and the sam result
2015-08-21 23:38 <H-H-H> then i give up with opensim lol
2015-08-21 23:39 <H-H-H> which viewer do you use
2015-08-21 23:39 <ChrisWeymann[AFK> firestorm 4.6.9
2015-08-21 23:39 <H-H-H> ok im on singularity
2015-08-21 23:39 <ChrisWeymann[AFK> then you want i can visit you and try it
2015-08-21 23:39 <H-H-H> got a d/l for firestorm?
2015-08-21 23:40 <ChrisWeymann[AFK> d/l ?
2015-08-21 23:40 <H-H-H> its on my lan not public
2015-08-21 23:40 <ChrisWeymann[AFK> oh
2015-08-21 23:40 <H-H-H> download link
2015-08-21 23:41 <H-H-H> downloading now
2015-08-21 23:41 <ChrisWeymann[AFK> http://wiki.phoenixviewer.com/fs_older_downloads#firestorm_469_42974_hotfix_release
2015-08-21 23:41 <H-H-H> Phoenix_FirestormOS-Release_i686_4.7.3.47323.tar.xz
2015-08-21 23:42 <H-H-H> thats the one im downloading
2015-08-21 23:42 <H-H-H> if it works in firestorm then i will report it to singularity devs
2015-08-21 23:42 <ChrisWeymann[AFK> im using the 4.6.9. But i think the 4.7.3 is ok too
2015-08-22 00:06 <H-H-H> i must be really thick then coz it doesnt work in the same firestorm your using as i downloaded that one
2015-08-22 00:09 <H-H-H> ok i need my bed lol so will play with this 2morrow ty for your help so far
2015-08-22 03:31 <LightDrake> Ubit: doTeleportViaLocation has a reliance on semi-unreliable data to determine varregion size
2015-08-22 03:38 <Ubit> i light 
2015-08-22 03:38 <Ubit> i know why it fails..
2015-08-22 03:38 <Ubit> the bug is +- obvius on the sources
2015-08-22 03:38 <Ubit> a example:
2015-08-22 03:39 <Ubit> to see if its a local teleport they do:
2015-08-22 03:39 <Ubit> regionp->getHandle() == to_region_handle_global((F32)pos_global.mdV[VX], (F32)pos_global.mdV[VY])
2015-08-22 03:40 <Ubit> if it gets the data u say, it doesn't reach this bugs..
2015-08-22 03:40 <Ubit> but as u said.. that data isn't always present..
2015-08-22 03:40 <Ubit> and actually it is not needed
2015-08-22 03:43 <osmantis> Bug #7700:04 Casting vector to string uses , instead of . on German server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7700 ): Der folgende Eintrag wurde erfasst.
2015-08-22 04:21 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-22 04:22 <smxy> misterblue: More logs for you to look at. :)
2015-08-22 05:28 <osmantis> Bug #7700:04 Casting vector to string uses , instead of . on German server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7700 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-08-22 11:27 <osmantis> Bug #7506:04 HG travel shows almost blank arrival region or grey viewer screen and crashes viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-22 11:29 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-22 13:22 <osmantis> Bug #7701:04 Recent changes to scripts causes exception 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7701 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-22 13:29 <osmantis> Bug #7701:04 Recent changes to scripts causes exception 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7701 ): has been set as DUPLICATE OF issue 0007691.
2015-08-22 13:29 <osmantis> Bug #7691:04 Script runtime error - commit 662b59 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7691 ): The issue 0007701 has been set as DUPLICATE OF the following issue.
2015-08-22 18:05 <JunkHunk> Hello i am trying to use builders buddy rezzer on opensim 0.8.1 but it is not working...
2015-08-22 18:05 <JunkHunk> It is a standalone installation
2015-08-22 18:06 <JunkHunk> And I made the region bigger it is 512x512 now
2015-08-22 18:07 <JunkHunk> But the rezzer won't work
2015-08-22 18:07 <smxy> Selea Core uses it, extensively, in her grid, to package her freebie houses, so I know it *can* work. Don't know what size regions she uses or expects the person unpacking them to have, though.
2015-08-22 18:16 <JunkHunk> Any changes in standalonecommon.ini required perhaps?
2015-08-22 18:16 <JunkHunk> The rezzer is working...well kind of...
2015-08-22 18:17 <JunkHunk> It rezzes objects but fails positioning them
2015-08-22 18:17 <JunkHunk> Hence I suspect it is because of the region resizing
2015-08-22 18:18 <JunkHunk> But the point is 
2015-08-22 18:18 <JunkHunk> I need that 4
2015-08-22 18:18 <dahlia> maybe it's coded such that it only knows 256x256. Lots of scripts from SL are like that
2015-08-22 18:18 <JunkHunk> Surely it is...
2015-08-22 18:19 <JunkHunk> I got the rezzer script from outworldz web
2015-08-22 18:22 <JunkHunk> Do you know whether is it easily resizable? I hardly understand the code
2015-08-22 18:34 <JunkHunk> I opened the script and it says....
2015-08-22 18:34 <JunkHunk> Change these values if yuo
2015-08-22 18:35 <JunkHunk> If you re using mega regions
2015-08-22 18:36 <JunkHunk> Variables for 
2015-08-22 18:36 <notskittles> pastebin the script maybe.
2015-08-22 18:37 <JunkHunk> Yep right hang on
2015-08-22 18:38 <ivo34> hey its me JunkHunk this is the script: http://pastebin.com/y94kP7Et
2015-08-22 18:40 <ivo34> in a 512x512 var region...
2015-08-22 18:40 <ivo34> I guess I should change those 1024 limits am I right?
2015-08-22 18:43 <notskittles> might be. still trying to figure out how exactly this part of the script is supposed to work..
2015-08-22 18:43 <notskittles> but probably so.
2015-08-22 18:45 <ivo34> oh sorry let me post the child part script
2015-08-22 18:46 <ivo34> I tried changing 1024 to 512 but it does not change still rezzing on 0,0,0  rezzer prim
2015-08-22 18:47 <ivo34> child script: http://pastebin.com/6Cxf7Aaf
2015-08-22 18:53 <ivo34> is newfie pendragon ever online in this chat?
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2015-08-23 04:28 <nebadon> https://github.com/nvbn/thefuck
2015-08-23 05:58 <smxy> LOL
2015-08-23 11:13 <SilverWhitefish> llcommon/llrefcount.cpp(63) : error
2015-08-23 11:13 <SilverWhitefish> ERROR: LLRefCount::~LLRefCount: deleting non-zero reference
2015-08-23 12:19 <osmantis> Bug #7691:04 Script runtime error - commit 662b59 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7691 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-23 12:49 <smxy> I'm definitely not updating until this issue is sorted out, as I have no idea how much it may impact my residents' scripts.
2015-08-23 12:52 <danbanner> ya i reverted all the plazas 
2015-08-23 12:52 <danbanner> that commit broke 100's of scripts 
2015-08-23 12:53 <smxy> Ouch.
2015-08-23 14:56 <notskittles> hi! quick question, is there anything sent at login that i can use to quickly identify whether a grid has hypergrid enabled or not? i've noticed not all send the gatekeeper uri in the login response and not all (including osgrid) send GridURL in the OpenSimExtras cap.
2015-08-23 15:02 <osmantis> Bug #7657:04 Mitigating db corruption caused by issue 7514 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7657 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-08-23 15:25 <lkalif> someone ought to fix MapBlockRequest handling
2015-08-23 15:25 <lkalif> i'm tired of making workarounds for it
2015-08-23 15:31 <Ubit> :)
2015-08-23 15:33 <Ubit> why did i remembered u of that :P
2015-08-23 15:33 <Ubit> lol
2015-08-23 15:37 <Ubit> hmm having a fight with lsl mel ? :)
2015-08-23 15:38 <Melanie_T> edited the wrong method
2015-08-23 15:38 <Ubit> btw if u are on it chech that  culture on  lslvector to string... seems missing it
2015-08-23 15:38 <Melanie_T> they looked the same
2015-08-23 15:38 <Melanie_T> culture?
2015-08-23 15:38 <Ubit> float to string as it...   the vectors floats don't
2015-08-23 15:39 <Ubit> its reported on mantis i thing..
2015-08-23 15:40 <Ubit> "," in place of "."  on german  machines
2015-08-23 15:40 <Melanie_T> ooh
2015-08-23 15:41 <Ubit> ... String.Format(Culture.FormatProvider, "{0:0.000000}", this.value);
2015-08-23 15:41 <Ubit> missing that i guess
2015-08-23 15:42 <Ubit> ( we also need that fixed )
2015-08-23 15:42 <Ubit> but im now on a total messed branch ;)
2015-08-23 15:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #4298 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-23 15:45 <danbanner> thanks Melanie_T that seems to have fixed the issue
2015-08-23 15:47 <danbanner> oops spoke too soon
2015-08-23 15:48 <danbanner> apparently the beacon that opensimworld has fails now
2015-08-23 15:48 <danbanner> http://pastebin.com/F0JgHW4q
2015-08-23 15:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4298: FAILURE in 11 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4298/
2015-08-23 15:48 <osjenkins> * melanie: Revert "Fix a possible nullref caused by accessing m_data rather than Data"
2015-08-23 15:48 <osjenkins> * melanie: Fix the nullref in scripts - the right way
2015-08-23 15:49 <Melanie_T> try this
2015-08-23 15:50 <danbanner> okay one moment
2015-08-23 15:50 <smxy> 
ACTION is getting dizzy. :)

2015-08-23 15:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #4299 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4297 1 day 23 hr ago)
2015-08-23 15:51 <osmantis> Bug #7701:04 Recent changes to scripts causes exception 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7701 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-23 15:52 <osmantis> Bug #7691:04 Script runtime error - commit 662b59 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7691 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-23 15:55 <nebadon> oh guess i went afk a second too soon :P
2015-08-23 15:55 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-08-23 15:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4299: FIXED in 4 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4299/
2015-08-23 15:55 <osjenkins> melanie: Revert "Revert "Fix a possible nullref caused by accessing m_data rather than Data""
2015-08-23 15:58 <danbanner> that did it
2015-08-23 15:58 <notskittles> thank you for working on this Melanie_T i know xengine is no fun. :)
2015-08-23 15:59 <Melanie_T> needs to be done
2015-08-23 15:59 <notskittles> yeah.
2015-08-23 16:18 <Ubit> well its not realy xengine prob ... but.. details... who cares :P
2015-08-23 16:20 <Ubit> damm firing regions sometimes kicks me out of irc...  grrr
2015-08-23 16:21 <Ubit> all bc ppl like to have a map... xii :)
2015-08-23 16:34 <smxy> danbanner: So, all fixed now? Safe to update?
2015-08-23 16:34 <danbanner> ya all the broken stuff seems good and the existing working scripts are working again
2015-08-23 16:35 <smxy> Thanks. Thanks Melanie_T.
2015-08-23 16:35 <danbanner> yes thanks a bunch :)
2015-08-23 16:36 <Melanie_T> np
2015-08-23 16:40 <Ubit> hmm maximum region size is enforced anywhere?
2015-08-23 16:44 <Ubit> ( found it :p Constants.MaximumRegionSize, thx )
2015-08-23 16:45 <smxy> And what is it?
2015-08-23 16:45 <notskittles> the maximum size you can make a region.
2015-08-23 16:45 <smxy> No, I meant what was the value, as he found it.
2015-08-23 16:45 <Ubit> is this  public const uint MaximumRegionSize = 8192;..  hmm possible still suicidal.. but ok
2015-08-23 16:46 <smxy> The devs have recommended no more than 1024x1024, due to the memory required for the terrain.
2015-08-23 16:46 <Ubit> yeap
2015-08-23 16:47 <Ubit> not only memory..
2015-08-23 16:53 <notskittles> i used to run a 6,144x6,144 aurora region. that was fun. :D
2015-08-23 16:53 <notskittles> for viewer testing.
2015-08-23 16:53 <Ubit> ohh i do miss my 64x64m aurora region :)
2015-08-23 16:54 <Ubit> it did work even before any viewer suport
2015-08-23 16:55 <Ubit> well had a little issues if i remember
2015-08-23 16:55 <notskittles> the non-power-of-two region support for viewers was ugly though.
2015-08-23 16:56 <Ubit> multiple of 16m was there from start
2015-08-23 16:56 <Ubit> since thats the patchs size
2015-08-23 16:56 <notskittles> and trying to get rectangular regions was hellish, so i gave up and aurora sputtered out not long after that.
2015-08-23 16:57 <Ubit> now multiple of 256m  does help a lot for grid.. 
2015-08-23 17:00 <Ubit> rectangules..  its viewer issue
2015-08-23 17:03 <notskittles> yep, a lot of them. ;)
2015-08-23 17:04 <Ubit> guess.. they assme square everywhere
2015-08-23 17:04 <notskittles> mhm
2015-08-23 17:07 <osmantis> Bug #7701:04 Recent changes to scripts causes exception 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7701 ): has been CLOSED
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2015-08-23 17:48 <osmantis> Bug #7699:04 osCauseDamage doesnt seem to actually do anything 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7699 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-23 18:25 <Ubit> damm kicked again by a region startup
2015-08-23 18:26 <Ubit> odd sending the map texture should not do this ever
2015-08-23 18:28 <lkalif> you internet needs upgrade ;)
2015-08-23 18:29 <Ubit> yeap only some 800kbps
2015-08-23 18:29 <Ubit> even so...
2015-08-23 18:33 <Ubit> #$#$#$#!!!
2015-08-23 18:33 <lkalif> 
ACTION sends Ubit a bucketfull of bits

2015-08-23 18:33 <Ubit> ty
2015-08-23 18:34 <Plugh> Alpha Bits? Tasty ;)
2015-08-23 18:34 <Ubit> well at least now my bug.. this one is opensim :)
2015-08-23 18:34 <Ubit> a small 2km region
2015-08-23 18:35 <Ubit> but this a non sense.. why is it happening  damm
2015-08-23 18:36 <lkalif> opensim doesn't implement the world map bits of the protocol correctly, not even for regular size regions
2015-08-23 18:37 <Ubit> hmm?
2015-08-23 18:38 <lkalif> the bit that handles MapBlockRequest is a mess
2015-08-23 18:38 <lkalif> should be burned with fire
2015-08-23 18:38 <Ubit> what bit?  the 0x0100 on flags i fixed..
2015-08-23 18:38 <Ubit> or 1000  
2015-08-23 18:40 <lkalif> does it stop if the region is not found?
2015-08-23 18:40 <Ubit> its a range
2015-08-23 18:40 <smxy> I recall you saying, lkalif, back when the "4096 bug" was fixed, that map hadling was a total mess. It *would* be nice to get that fixed.
2015-08-23 18:41 <Ubit> hmm i don't remember looking much to maps in past.. but possible
2015-08-23 18:41 <smxy> handling*
2015-08-23 18:42 <Ubit> hmm not looking to the 4096 bug now..  other close range issues first 
2015-08-23 18:42 <Ubit> :)
2015-08-23 18:42 <lkalif> Ubit: sat you have one region at 1000,1000... will request for MapBlockRequest from 995-1005 in both xand y work and send me 1000 replies, 999 emty
2015-08-23 18:42 <lkalif> say
2015-08-23 18:43 <Ubit> ok..  i did remove the os handling of 0x1000 or whatever the number is
2015-08-23 18:43 <Ubit> and use it to send a empty replay no region is found in range
2015-08-23 18:44 <Ubit> if not set,  there will be no reply ( as before )
2015-08-23 18:44 <Ubit> ok ?
2015-08-23 18:45 <Ubit> in current os, if that flag is set, even if it finds regions in range, it may still send empty replies.. so yeap bad
2015-08-23 18:46 <lkalif> not ok
2015-08-23 18:47 <Ubit> then what ?
2015-08-23 18:49 <Ubit> errr
2015-08-23 18:49 <Ubit> you want empty for All  grid slots with no region in the range?
2015-08-23 18:49 <lkalif> it's supposed to send region with MapBlockReplyPacket and set GridRegion.Access to SimAccess.NonExistent
2015-08-23 18:50 <Ubit> get lost..  ill only send regions found or none... u go fill up the missing ones :p
2015-08-23 18:50 <lkalif> and it can pack them all in one reply packetet
2015-08-23 18:50 <lkalif> you voodoo opensim crap
2015-08-23 18:50 <Ubit> sl sends the 999 ones?
2015-08-23 18:51 <lkalif> who cares about  the standard
2015-08-23 18:51 <Ubit> man its a waste of bandwtih
2015-08-23 18:51 <lkalif> yes, if send empty flag is set
2015-08-23 18:51 <lkalif> it's just a few bytes
2015-08-23 18:52 <Ubit> a few bytes *999 on yr example, and useless
2015-08-23 18:52 <Ubit> protocol wise i mean
2015-08-23 18:52 <lkalif> it's quite useful
2015-08-23 18:52 <Ubit> to mk yr code easy yeap
2015-08-23 18:52 <lkalif> no need to display dumb loading--- everywhere
2015-08-23 18:53 <Ubit> its just for you to not keep track of the range you asked
2015-08-23 18:53 <lkalif> just beause opensim deva ar lazy non-standard implementors
2015-08-23 18:54 <lkalif> well I tell you how it's supposed to wotk
2015-08-23 18:54 <lkalif> work
2015-08-23 18:54 <Ubit> i don't believe sl will send 999*sizeof  useless bytes
2015-08-23 18:55 <lkalif> what you believe in is none of my business
2015-08-23 18:55 <Ubit> :p
2015-08-23 18:57 <smxy> The protocol is what it is, Ubit, and lkalif's gotten pretty good at understanding it, I'd say. :)
2015-08-23 18:57 <Ubit> well ill check that hmm somehow.. and suport that if sl does that
2015-08-23 18:57 <lkalif> all I know is that MapBlockRequest/Reply is a piece of crap in OpenSim
2015-08-23 18:58 <Ubit> ( uff not funny with varreagions.. but well no big deal )
2015-08-23 18:58 <lkalif> Ubit: of course it does it. I wrote a client for it
2015-08-23 18:59 <Ubit> :)
2015-08-23 19:00 <Ubit> and a proxy also
2015-08-23 19:01 <Ubit> it shows those message?
2015-08-23 19:01 <lkalif> of course it does
2015-08-23 19:01 <Ubit> only it does miss several things :p
2015-08-23 19:01 <lkalif> like what?
2015-08-23 19:01 <Ubit> i mean .. it does..
2015-08-23 19:02 <lkalif> what?
2015-08-23 19:02 <Ubit> well i don't  use it for long..  so ill let u know later ..
2015-08-23 19:03 <Ubit> some i told u about in past
2015-08-23 19:03 <lkalif> someone told me they saw a bigfoot :P
2015-08-23 19:03 <Ubit> :)
2015-08-23 19:04 <Ubit> well let me go check yr claims :p
2015-08-23 19:04 <Ubit> while i still remember where the code is :)
2015-08-23 19:08 <lkalif> i bet SimAccess.NonExistent is nevert used in Opensim
2015-08-23 19:09 <Ubit> good bet ... at least there :P
2015-08-23 19:22 <Ubit> only seems to send found
2015-08-23 19:23 <Ubit> guess thats why singu and alch keep telling  loading...
2015-08-23 19:28 <Ubit> hmm but seems to tell the range if none found
2015-08-23 19:36 <lkalif> this is from SL using GridProxyGui https://gist.github.com/lkalif/62d3b086faaa2efb7a8f
2015-08-23 19:37 <Plugh> Where do you find GridProxyGui?
2015-08-23 19:38 <lkalif> it libomv bin download... requires gtk#
2015-08-23 19:38 <Ubit> yeap i see that.. if regions found on the range..
2015-08-23 19:39 <Ubit> ohh didn't got kick starting a region :)
2015-08-23 19:40 <lkalif> Plugh: what OS are you using?
2015-08-23 19:40 <Plugh> Linux
2015-08-23 19:41 <lkalif> installing mono-develop brings gtk# too so if you have that you have it installed probably
2015-08-23 19:42 <Plugh> Oh, gtk#. I read gtk but didn't pick up on that last symbol right away.
2015-08-23 19:43 <lkalif> if you want to compile iy yourself you need to remove <!-- ... --> comment in pebuild.xml pn rerun prebuild.sh of the libomv
2015-08-23 19:44 <Plugh> oh, I see it.
2015-08-23 19:45 <Plugh> Must be a more recent addition.
2015-08-23 19:45 <lkalif> but downloading precompiled bin is way easier https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse/releases/download/0.9.3/libopenmetaverse-0.9.3-bin.zip
2015-08-23 19:46 <Plugh> which version of gtk#? 2 or 3?
2015-08-23 19:46 <lkalif> it works quite well on linux too
2015-08-23 19:46 <lkalif> 2
2015-08-23 19:46 <Plugh> k
2015-08-23 19:47 <Plugh> Hope it works better than WGP
2015-08-23 19:47 <lkalif> it looks the same, should be much more stable
2015-08-23 19:48 <Plugh> yea, that has been the big problem with WGP. It would often crash if you looked at it the wrong way.
2015-08-23 19:49 <lkalif> on debian/ubuntu the package is called gtk-sharp2
2015-08-23 19:50 <Plugh> yup. Just installed it and its 6 dependencies
2015-08-23 19:51 <Ubit> but it seems im sending a wrong format on the not found reply
2015-08-23 19:52 <lkalif> see that packet dump, Access field
2015-08-23 19:53 <Ubit> hmm ---> pvt so not to bother ppl here
2015-08-23 19:53 <lkalif> why not?
2015-08-23 19:54 <lkalif> that's what #opensim-dev is for
2015-08-23 19:54 <Ubit> well
2015-08-23 19:54 <Ubit> let me go back to sl ...
2015-08-23 19:55 <Ubit> yr paste is what i send if regions found... ok...
2015-08-23 19:55 <Ubit> ( flag meaningless )
2015-08-23 19:57 <Ubit> grrr 
2015-08-23 19:57 <Ubit> the proxy looses filters quitly on start
2015-08-23 19:58 <Plugh> lkalif: I grabbed the pre-compiled version. The libomv from git doesn't build GridProxyGui by default.
2015-08-23 19:58 <lkalif> use GridProxyGui
2015-08-23 19:59 <dahlia> what do you get when you have 100 opensimians typing on keyboards for 8 years?
2015-08-23 19:59 <Ubit> im on win
2015-08-23 20:00 <Plugh> lkalif: I just found your commit message about it that it needs to be uncommented.
2015-08-23 20:00 <lkalif> yeah, and prebuild.sh re-run
2015-08-23 20:01 <lkalif> Plugh: but the prebuilt one should be fine
2015-08-23 20:03 <Plugh> Did that. Build failes as it can't find namespace Gtk. 
2015-08-23 20:04 <Plugh> oh, probably a -dev package missing
2015-08-23 20:04 <lkalif> Ubit: http://download.xamarin.com/GTKforWindows/Windows/gtk-sharp-2.12.26.msi and reboot
2015-08-23 20:05 <Plugh> .msi is for Windows
2015-08-23 20:05 <lkalif>  Ubit is on windows
2015-08-23 20:06 <Plugh> oh, sorry. Thought that was meant for me.
2015-08-23 20:06 <lkalif> i don't think there is -deb
2015-08-23 20:06 <lkalif> -dev
2015-08-23 20:08 <Plugh> ok, it is a nant vs xbuild problem. Failed to build under nant. Successful build under xbuild.
2015-08-23 20:08 <lkalif> i should really kill nant stuff
2015-08-23 20:08 <Plugh> lkalif: ty. I'll have another go at building with nant some time and see what it is missing.
2015-08-23 20:08 <lkalif> it's crap anyway
2015-08-23 20:09 <Plugh> I build on one machine with xbuild as it doesn't have nant.
2015-08-23 20:09 <dahlia> nant has been broken for a while
2015-08-23 20:11 <Plugh> The Makefile in OpenSim still uses nant.
2015-08-23 20:13 <dahlia> we have a Makefile?
2015-08-23 20:14 <osmantis> Bug #7702:04 pCampBots broken on current Dev Master HEAD. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7702 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-23 20:15 <Plugh> yup
2015-08-23 20:15 <smxy> I've used xbuild for ages. Was told it was better than nant.
2015-08-23 20:16 <Plugh> I started using nant as I'm used to building by typing 'make' which uses 'Makefile', and it worked. If it aint broke ...  :)
2015-08-23 20:17 <Plugh> ok, fixed the problem with building under nant. I just had to remove (commented out) the x86 Platform target lines.
2015-08-23 20:18 <Plugh> I don't expect I'll need to debug GridProxyGUI but if it does crash on me I will have a better change of fixing it than I would fixing WGP.
2015-08-23 20:18 <osmantis> Bug #7703:04 Exception rezzing objects with a script. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7703 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-23 20:18 <Plugh> s/change/chance/
2015-08-23 20:18 <dahlia> smxy: I think there were some changes to packet definitions in libomv recently. Might want to make sure your pCampbot is using the same OpenMetaverse.dll as the sim you are logging in to
2015-08-23 20:19 <smxy> It was running out of the same bin
2015-08-23 20:19 <Plugh> ok, I need to head out to the stores to get a few things. bbl.
2015-08-23 20:19 <smxy> I did like I always do. I built the latest OpenSim code. Ran the regions and the bots from that bin.
2015-08-23 20:20 <smxy> What else should I do differently?
2015-08-23 20:20 <dahlia> dunno :)
2015-08-23 20:20 <dahlia> 
ACTION never uses pcampbot

2015-08-23 20:20 <Plugh> lkalif: I should probably have mentioned I was on a 64-bit version of Linux. :)
2015-08-23 20:20 <dahlia> the exception looked like it might have been a packet parsing error tho
2015-08-23 20:21 <smxy> Is pCampBot something that gets built when I build or is it delivered as a binary? If the latter, perhaps it needs updating.
2015-08-23 20:21 <dahlia> I think it builds
2015-08-23 20:22 <dahlia> I use testclient which seems to work ok
2015-08-23 20:22 <smxy> Then it should be using the same as everything else in the build.
2015-08-23 20:22 <dahlia> but your error looks like it happened in libomv
2015-08-23 20:23 <dahlia> maybe try the older pcampbot with the newer opensim?
2015-08-23 20:23 <lkalif> which packet?
2015-08-23 20:24 <dahlia> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7702
2015-08-23 20:24 <dahlia> I thought there was a change recently in a packet
2015-08-23 20:25 <dahlia> oh wait... "method argument length mismatch"... not sure exactly what that means
2015-08-23 20:26 <dahlia> like a call doesnt match the method signature?
2015-08-23 20:26 <dahlia> is that even possible in .net?
2015-08-23 20:26 <lkalif> smxy: try a clean checkout, perrhaps some stale dll?
2015-08-23 20:26 <smxy> Or it's passed a list of bots ... and list handling has recently changed .... maybe there's still a bug related to that ...
2015-08-23 20:27 <dahlia> no the list changes have been in LSL
2015-08-23 20:27 <smxy> lkalif: I always do a fresh checkout into an empty directory.
2015-08-23 20:28 <smxy> Then build, then copy the resultant bin dir off elsewhere, for use.
2015-08-23 20:29 <dahlia> which mono version?
2015-08-23 20:29 <smxy> 4.0.1
2015-08-23 20:31 <dahlia> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.argumentexception%28v=vs.110%29.aspx
2015-08-23 20:31 <smxy> I don't see how anything could have gone differently in my build process, as that's been scripted and in use for a very long time. But afterwards, I make various symlinks so tht I can easily move from one release to another, as needed. I'll go check those to make sure I didn't fat-finger something.
2015-08-23 20:31 <lkalif> argument is a very common exception
2015-08-23 20:32 <osmantis> Bug #7703:04 Exception rezzing objects with a script. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7703 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-23 20:32 <lkalif> smxy: try deleting all .exe .dll before you copy
2015-08-23 20:32 <lkalif> in the dest dirs
2015-08-23 20:33 <dahlia> ya
2015-08-23 20:33 <smxy> I never copy over anything.
2015-08-23 20:33 <smxy> EVER
2015-08-23 20:33 <dahlia> :P
2015-08-23 20:34 <smxy> I make a new dest dir, then copy the bin dir from the build to it.
2015-08-23 20:34 <lkalif> < smxy> Then build, then copy the resultant bin dir off elsewhere, for use.
2015-08-23 20:35 <lkalif> delete all dlls and exes in "elsewhere"
2015-08-23 20:35 <smxy> Yes. I do a git pull to get the latest code. Then I make a new, empty build dir. Then I check out the code to that dir. Then I build it. Then I make a new, empty dest dir, named after the version, and I copy the bin dir, made during the build, to this empty dest dir.
2015-08-23 20:36 <lkalif> ok
2015-08-23 20:36 <smxy> Nothing is overlaid on top of a previous release.
2015-08-23 20:38 <smxy> I don't see any errors with my 3 manually made symlinks. Perhaps I ran something from the wrong directory, causing a mismatch. I'll try again.
2015-08-23 20:43 <smxy> When everything is run from the current build, it fails.
2015-08-23 20:45 <smxy> I'm not running that with the debug flag. Let me try that to see if it sheds any further light.
2015-08-23 20:49 <osmantis> Bug #7702:04 pCampBots broken on current Dev Master HEAD. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7702 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-23 20:54 <smxy> That doesn't tell me anything, but maybe it will someone else.
2015-08-23 20:54 <smxy> Let me try what you suggested, dahlia - old pCampBot against latest OpenSim.
2015-08-23 20:55 <lkalif> was smart thread dll updated recently?
2015-08-23 20:55 <dahlia> pCampbot working for me(tm)
2015-08-23 20:55 <dahlia> lkalif: no idea
2015-08-23 20:58 <lkalif> OpenMetaverse.WorkPoolDynamic
2015-08-23 20:58 <smxy> The old one works aginst he latest build.
2015-08-23 20:58 <lkalif> why is that compiled in?
2015-08-23 20:58 <smxy> The new one, from that new build, doesn't.
2015-08-23 20:59 <osmantis> Bug #7703:04 Exception rezzing objects with a script. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7703 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-23 20:59 <dahlia> lkalif: compiled in to what?
2015-08-23 20:59 <lkalif> dahlia: did you update libomv last?
2015-08-23 20:59 <dahlia> I think so
2015-08-23 21:00 <dahlia> I just built head in release mode and committed the dlls
2015-08-23 21:00 <lkalif> I wonder if SMARTHREADPOOL_REF is defined
2015-08-23 21:00 <dahlia> would it not compile otherwise?
2015-08-23 21:02 <dahlia> maybe I should build a fresh clone and push those dlls
2015-08-23 21:02 <dahlia> but pcampbot working for me
2015-08-23 21:02 <smxy> Connecting multiple bots to one region?
2015-08-23 21:03 <lkalif> dahlia: if you see that backtrace,it shows OpenMetaverse.WorkPoolDynamic, that should not be in libomv unless you define SMARTHREADPOOL_REF
2015-08-23 21:03 <dahlia> just one bot
2015-08-23 21:03 <dahlia> lkalif: I dont ever recall defining that
2015-08-23 21:03 <dahlia> but I can build a fresh clone
2015-08-23 21:03 <lkalif> it's not by default iirc
2015-08-23 21:03 <dahlia> 
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2015-08-23 21:04 <lkalif> if you see WorkPool.cs in libomv
2015-08-23 21:04 <smxy> The reason I asked, dahlia, is that I see the first bot connects, but it dies when the program fails to add the second bot.
2015-08-23 21:05 <smxy> and the whole thing dies.
2015-08-23 21:05 <lkalif> perhaås it's some mono bug
2015-08-23 21:05 <smxy> perhaps. Though I'm using the same version I have been, for a while now.
2015-08-23 21:06 <lkalif> I don't understand how it got to OpenMetaverse.WorkPoolDynamic
2015-08-23 21:07 <smxy> Could something I set in my environment cause it to do that?
2015-08-23 21:08 <smxy> Except that I run both the same way and one works, while one doesn't ...
2015-08-23 21:09 <Ubit> well about that map thing, seems to me now viewers are kinda of broken at sl, since sl doesnot send any reply if there is no region in the requested range
2015-08-23 21:09 <lkalif> it works on islands
2015-08-23 21:09 <Ubit> my change for avn does send a reply keeping them happy
2015-08-23 21:10 <Ubit> with access code  == NonExitent
2015-08-23 21:11 <Ubit> yeap getting Invalid location with singu, where it stucks in loading at sl
2015-08-23 21:13 <smxy> Bah. I have to mow my lawn, before it gets dark. Back in an hour or so.
2015-08-23 21:14 <lkalif> dahlia: you compiled with vs 2015?
2015-08-23 21:15 <Ubit> well going look for food.. cya later :)
2015-08-23 21:18 <lkalif> ok, I was wrong about SMARTHREADPOOL_REF
2015-08-23 21:20 <lkalif> so it's something else...
2015-08-23 21:29 <lkalif> dahlia: nvm allmy questions, I was on a wild goose chaise :P
2015-08-23 21:32 <lkalif> Ubit: you can do as SL, rarely do you open a map where there are no regions at all
2015-08-23 21:32 <dahlia> lkalif: yes 2015
2015-08-23 21:33 <dahlia> community 
2015-08-23 21:33 <dahlia> so the smartthreadpool stuff is irrelevant?
2015-08-23 21:37 <lkalif> the exception is in the code that calls SmartThreadPool
2015-08-23 21:37 <lkalif> but mono and backtraces....
2015-08-23 21:39 <lkalif> smxy: just for the fun of it make a copy of bin for running pCampBot and delete SmartThreadPool.dll from it before running it
2015-08-23 21:40 <lkalif> takes hours to checkout opensim over this crappy connection
2015-08-23 21:42 <Ubit> (kalif is also on clicking in  a map spot.. so keeping it.. some 56bytes or so...)
2015-08-23 21:42 <Ubit> ( i mean i send if the 0x1000 flag is set, don't if not )
2015-08-23 22:04 <lkalif> SmartThreadPool.dll hasnt changed in 11 months
2015-08-23 22:05 <smxy> lkalif: should I delete the .mdb file too?
2015-08-23 22:06 <lkalif> doesn't matter
2015-08-23 22:06 <smxy> ok
2015-08-23 22:08 <smxy> That causes it to fail immediately: http://pastebin.com/SNWRcEzj
2015-08-23 22:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #4300 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
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2015-08-23 22:09 <osmantis> Bug #7703:04 Exception rezzing objects with a script. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7703 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-23 22:11 <lkalif> smxy: use TestClient (I'm out of ideas)
2015-08-23 22:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4300: SUCCESS in 4 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4300/
2015-08-23 22:13 <osjenkins> melanie: Just replace all m_data accesses with accesses to Data, which is
2015-08-23 22:14 <smxy> No. pCampBot should work (and I don't know how to use TestClient (yet), nor do I want to change my test method (yet)). I don't have time at the moment, but I guess I'll have to do a git bisect to find the bad commit.
2015-08-23 22:15 <smxy> Or maybe will find some error on my part, in the process.
2015-08-23 22:16 <dahlia> doesnt look like the libomv SmartThreadpool.dll is tracked by our git
2015-08-23 22:16 <smxy> lkalif: Thanks for the time you did spend on it though. It's appreciated.
2015-08-23 22:17 <smxy> dahlia: So I may be using an old one in the new build?
2015-08-23 22:17 <smxy> er, an older dll in the newer OpenSim code build ...
2015-08-23 22:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #4301 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-23 22:22 <smxy> Okay, let me try that ...
2015-08-23 22:25 <dahlia> looks like opensim builds smartthreadpool
2015-08-23 22:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4301: FAILURE in 4 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4301/
2015-08-23 22:26 <osjenkins> dahlia: update libomv managed dlls to 49a5cf05c32e - fresh clone default settings release mode VS 2015 community edition
2015-08-23 22:26 <dahlia> hmmm
2015-08-23 22:28 <smxy> Hrmph. Still fails in the same way. :(
2015-08-23 22:29 <dahlia> well opensim builds it's own copy of smartthreadpool and if libomv is picking that up as a dependency and it has the wrong method signature... yeah kinda messed up there
2015-08-23 22:30 <lkalif> i
2015-08-23 22:31 <smxy> Did you add it to OpenSim git? If so, I should find it in my original git trre. Perhaps if I copy that into a copy of my bin, for pCampBot, it might then work?
2015-08-23 22:32 <lkalif> nothing is changed there recently
2015-08-23 22:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #4302 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4300 24 min ago)
2015-08-23 22:33 <dahlia> dunno why that test fails but reverting until it can be addressed
2015-08-23 22:34 <dahlia> anyway I guess somehow the SmartThreadPool.dll that opensim builds needs to be somehow synced up with the one in libomv
2015-08-23 22:35 <smxy> I'd be happy to find it was an error on my part, but I'm building the same way and unning the same way and it works in one but not the other. So I hesitate to say it's me, but won't rule it out. I probably will just have to do the git bisect, unless what dahlia is talking about is the cause.
2015-08-23 22:36 <dahlia> we'll blame you anyway :)
2015-08-23 22:36 <smxy> :)
2015-08-23 22:36 <lkalif> could be a wild goose chaise and something completely different
2015-08-23 22:37 <dahlia> whoever put smartthreadpool source in opensim may have modified it
2015-08-23 22:37 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-08-23 22:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4302: FIXED in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4302/
2015-08-23 22:37 <osjenkins> dahlia: Revert "update libomv managed dlls to 49a5cf05c32e - fresh clone default settings release mode VS 2015 community edition"
2015-08-23 22:37 <smxy> chase*, and yes. :)
2015-08-23 22:37 <dahlia> usually that kind of thing goes in opensim-libs
2015-08-23 22:38 <dahlia> so someone deviated... <.<  >.>
2015-08-23 22:38 <lkalif> it's compiled from source
2015-08-23 22:38 <nebadon> dahlia
2015-08-23 22:38 <nebadon> [exec] Tests run: 99, Failures: 1, Not run: 0, Time: 18.907 seconds
2015-08-23 22:38 <nebadon>      [exec] 
2015-08-23 22:38 <nebadon>      [exec] Test Case Failures:
2015-08-23 22:38 <nebadon>      [exec] 1) OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.Avatar.Attachments.Tests.AttachmentsModuleTests.TestRezScriptedAttachmentFromInventory :   Expected: True
2015-08-23 22:38 <nebadon>      [exec]   But was:  False
2015-08-23 22:38 <nebadon>      [exec] 
2015-08-23 22:38 <nebadon>      [exec] at OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.Avatar.Attachments.Tests.AttachmentsModuleTests.TestRezScriptedAttachmentFromInventory () [0x000e3] in /home/jenkins/jobs/opensim/workspace/MONO_VERSION/mono-2.10.8.1/OpenSim/Region/CoreModules/Avatar/Attachments/Tests/AttachmentsModuleTests.cs:572
2015-08-23 22:38 <nebadon>      [exec] at (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Reflection.MonoMethod:InternalInvoke (System.Reflection.MonoMethod,object,object[],System.Exception&)
2015-08-23 22:39 <nebadon>      [exec] at System.Reflection.MonoMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x000d5] in /root/install/mono-2.10.8.1/mono-2.10.8.1/mcs/class/corlib/System.Reflection/MonoMethod.cs:226
2015-08-23 22:39 <nebadon>      [exec] 
2015-08-23 22:39 <nebadon>      [exec] 
2015-08-23 22:39 <nebadon>      [exec] /home/jenkins/jobs/opensim/workspace/MONO_VERSION/mono-2.10.8.1/OpenSim.build(286,3):
2015-08-23 22:39 <nebadon>      [exec] External Program Failed: nunit-console2 (return code was 1)
2015-08-23 22:39 <dahlia> yes but we usually keep third party libs in opensim-libs
2015-08-23 22:39 <dahlia> nebadon: ya i saw the failed test
2015-08-23 22:40 <smxy> Well, I'm going to go finish mowing, then will see if I have time to do the bisect tonight.
2015-08-23 22:40 <dahlia> I'm kinda running out of time to mess with it today tho so I just reverted
2015-08-23 22:40 <smxy> Thanks for your time on this, too, dahlia
2015-08-23 22:40 <dahlia> np
2015-08-23 22:41 <lkalif> pcampbot is stange for not being libomv client but uses some opensim frameworks
2015-08-23 22:42 <dahlia> I dont use it, I have lots of testclient plugins I prefer
2015-08-23 22:42 <lkalif> ¨that thing could use some love... and now you have commit access ;)
2015-08-23 22:43 <dahlia> testclient?
2015-08-23 22:43 <lkalif> yep
2015-08-23 22:43 <dahlia> ya I have a tweak to make goto work with hypergrid
2015-08-23 22:44 <lkalif> commit it :)
2015-08-23 22:44 <dahlia> soon :)
2015-08-23 22:46 <lkalif> 90% radegast crash dumps i get are System.IO.FileNotFoundException: Could not load file or assembly 'System.Core, Version=3.5.0.0, Culture=neutral, 
2015-08-23 22:46 <lkalif> people don't install .net 3.5
2015-08-23 22:46 <lkalif> and i wrote that everywhere
2015-08-23 22:46 <dahlia> Im surprised it even runs the crash logger
2015-08-23 22:48 <lkalif> I get sent this; http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=hpF22ity
2015-08-23 22:49 <lkalif> and if radegast crashes it ask you somryhing like "Fo you want to make Radegast better by sending the crash report?"
2015-08-23 22:49 <lkalif> Do
2015-08-23 22:49 <dahlia> lol
2015-08-23 22:51 <dahlia> I prefer messages like "Do you want to annoy the developers by flooding the crash tracker system with reports about your failure to install the required dependancies?"
2015-08-23 22:51 <lkalif> lol
2015-08-23 22:52 <lkalif> i was thinking about checking for this one and opening a web page with the dowload link
2015-08-23 22:52 <dahlia> ya
2015-08-23 22:52 <lkalif> and that's the only prerequsite
2015-08-23 22:53 <dahlia> why not .net 4?
2015-08-23 22:53 <lkalif> i switched to 4 after the last release
2015-08-23 22:54 <Ubit> 
ACTION wonders what happened to the great advantage of .net that was a new version including all previus...

2015-08-23 22:54 <Ubit> on intel pub  i mean
2015-08-23 22:54 <dahlia> I thought it did
2015-08-23 22:54 <Ubit> seems not now.. 
2015-08-23 22:54 <dahlia> mono broke it
2015-08-23 22:55 <lkalif> i wonder which mono version supports async
2015-08-23 22:55 <lkalif> 3.5 is special
2015-08-23 22:55 <lkalif> .net 4 contains 1 and 2 but not 3.5
2015-08-23 22:55 <dahlia> y?
2015-08-23 22:56 <lkalif> switch to .net 4 should fix it
2015-08-23 22:56 <Ubit> 4 still runs on xp i think
2015-08-23 22:57 <Ubit> mb the last one that runs on xp ??
2015-08-23 22:57 <lkalif> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2803434/does-the-net-framework-4-0-installer-include-the-net-framework-3-5/2803451#2803451
2015-08-23 22:57 <dahlia> I see OpenTK supports OpenGL 4 profiles now... might be fun to make a c# viewer that outperforms the LL code
2015-08-23 22:59 <dahlia> given that LL doesn't seem to be interested in moving above OpenGL 2
2015-08-23 23:01 <lkalif> opentk is autogenerated
2015-08-23 23:03 <dahlia> theres probably some testing and tweaking involved
2015-08-23 23:04 <lkalif> yep
2015-08-23 23:05 <lkalif> i really should get some sleep
2015-08-23 23:05 <misterblue> night night lkalif
2015-08-23 23:05 <dahlia> nn
2015-08-23 23:05 <lkalif> they're waking me up in six hours
2015-08-23 23:07 <lkalif> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Managed_Extensibility_Framework
2015-08-23 23:08 <lkalif> interesting for module discussion
2015-08-23 23:09 <dahlia> may want to mention it to diva, she's doing a lot with mono addins lately
2015-08-23 23:09 <misterblue> diva should be pointed to that
2015-08-23 23:09 <dahlia> she is madame plugin :)
2015-08-23 23:11 <lkalif> MEF is in .net 4 so it can be used if appopriate
2015-08-23 23:12 <lkalif> radegast will even load source plugins
2015-08-23 23:13 <lkalif> just put a .cs with the plugin in the same dir :P
2015-08-23 23:14 <H-H-H> iirc aurora used to do that and compile them to
2015-08-23 23:17 <smxy> misterblue: did you see I left you new physics logs yesterday, for the latest failure?
2015-08-23 23:17 <misterblue> yes... I'm looking at them now
2015-08-23 23:17 <smxy> Okay
2015-08-23 23:17 <misterblue> I'll have some checkins soon
2015-08-23 23:18 <smxy> Well, I need to get pCampBot working again, first. :(
2015-08-23 23:18 <misterblue> you sure you didn't get an ERROR in the logs? I keep feeling there is an execption I'm not recovering from
2015-08-23 23:18 <smxy> I'm glad the logs are proving useful to you.
2015-08-23 23:19 <smxy> I'll double-check that.
2015-08-23 23:20 <misterblue> in your region 'test1', things are going along fine (6 AVs getting collisions)... and then a new avatar is created and after that all collision passing to the simulator stops
2015-08-23 23:20 <misterblue> the collisions are still being generated by the physics engien, but they are not being passed to the simulator
2015-08-23 23:21 <misterblue> the logic shouldn't do that.... so something is happening I don't see
2015-08-23 23:21 <osmantis> Bug #7700:04 Casting vector to string uses , instead of . on German server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7700 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-23 23:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #4303 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2015-08-23 23:22 <smxy> The string "ERROR" doesn't appear in either log for that day.
2015-08-23 23:24 <smxy> What amazes me is that it stops in both regions at the same time, and each are running in a separate simulator on the same VM.
2015-08-23 23:24 <smxy> How can a fault in one trigger a fault in the other?
2015-08-23 23:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4303: SUCCESS in 4 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4303/
2015-08-23 23:26 <osjenkins> melanie: Add Culture.FormatProvider to String.Format, like it is done for LSLFloat
2015-08-23 23:26 <misterblue> it's a mystery
2015-08-23 23:27 <smxy> I suppose, at some point, I'll have to do it between two regions/simulators on different VMs.
2015-08-23 23:27 <smxy> Then pewrhaps on different physical hosts.
2015-08-23 23:27 <smxy> perhaps*
2015-08-23 23:32 <misterblue> I hope I find the problem before you go to all that trouble
2015-08-23 23:35 <smxy> This sure is an elusive bug.
2015-08-23 23:36 <smxy> Perhaps you'll fix the related issue that Jeff and Nebadon see, with volume detect collisions, if we're lucky.
2015-08-23 23:37 <smxy> Along the way, I mean.
2015-08-23 23:37 <misterblue> the particular one for you is the teleport thing and deals with creating and destroying AVs
2015-08-23 23:39 <smxy> You said that when the av leaves the region and comes back, it gets a new localid, yes?
2015-08-23 23:40 <smxy> Which is why it seemingly works even though it never sees the collision_end.
2015-08-23 23:40 <smxy> Is it possible that a localid gets re-used, thus hitting one that it still thinks is colliding?
2015-08-23 23:41 <misterblue> ya... the simulator has the old localID in its 'collidedLastTime' list and that entry never gets removed because there is no end collision
2015-08-23 23:41 <misterblue> so, in the TP around one region case, the localID does not change so, when it gets back to the first, the collision is still happening (hasn't ended and thus doesn't start again)
2015-08-23 23:41 <smxy> right
2015-08-23 23:42 <smxy> do localids get recycled?
2015-08-23 23:42 <misterblue> going between regions, it gets a new local ID so the 'collidedLastTime' list just accumulates unused entries
2015-08-23 23:42 <misterblue> no
2015-08-23 23:42 <misterblue> they start at some random number and get incremented from there
2015-08-23 23:43 <misterblue> and the scope of a localID is a region (they are not shared between regions)
2015-08-23 23:44 <smxy> Is the accumulation of incomplete collisions blowing something up?
2015-08-23 23:47 <misterblue> shouldn't... most people don't do thousands of TPs :)
2015-08-23 23:48 <smxy> True, and even though I have numerous people using my gate, I only see TPs in the hundreds range, per month, not thousands. And I rstart the regions that this bites, nightly, so even fewer TPs and it still sneaks in now and then.
2015-08-23 23:48 <smxy> gates*
2015-08-23 23:49 <smxy> So it can't be a numbers game. :-/
2015-08-24 00:46 <H-H-H> does opensim persist to db or elsewhere the users health value
2015-08-24 01:00 <misterblue> it doesn't look like it... none of the DB modules have any variables that contain the letters 'ealth"
2015-08-24 01:02 <H-H-H> ty misterblue for looking :)
2015-08-24 01:18 <smxy> I have a git question
2015-08-24 01:20 <smxy> I cloned the opensim git. I marked the good and bad commits for bisect and it gave me a commit to build, which I did and then I marked it bad. It then gave me another commit to build. How do I clean out anything left from the old build first?
2015-08-24 01:21 <smxy> git clean?
2015-08-24 01:24 <smxy> git clean -d -x -f
2015-08-24 01:24 <smxy> seems to have done it.
2015-08-24 01:41 <osmantis> Bug #7702:04 pCampBots broken on current Dev Master HEAD. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7702 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-24 01:43 <smxy> dahlia: a bisect says it was you updating of libomv, on the 14th, that broke pCampBot.
2015-08-24 01:43 <smxy> your*
2015-08-24 01:45 <dahlia> smxy: yes I suspect it's the SmartThreadPool that is compiled with opensim rather than the one that libomv is built against which is causing the problem. I'd suggest separating out the bin you run pcampbot out of and replacing SmartThreadPool.* with the ones in libomv distribution
2015-08-24 01:46 <dahlia> somehow we need to work out why STP is built in opensim core and how to resolve this
2015-08-24 01:46 <dahlia> or maybe update the STP in libomv to the one opensim has
2015-08-24 01:47 <smxy> Well, let me run that test to make sure it works with the libomv version. 
2015-08-24 01:47 <dahlia> or why does opensim need it in core source rather than libs?
2015-08-24 01:48 <smxy> are these dlls distributed as binaries in the libopenmetaveerse git? I have that checked out.
2015-08-24 01:49 <smxy> Ah, yes, I see a SmartThreadPool.dll in its bin
2015-08-24 01:50 <dahlia> so the problem really is... whoever put STP source in core broke compatibility with later versions of libomv
2015-08-24 01:53 <smxy> If this is indeed the problem, I guess someone knowledgeable will have to diff the two and see what's, well, different.
2015-08-24 01:55 <smxy> dahlia: do I delete the .mdb file from my copy of bin? Will it get recreated?
2015-08-24 01:55 <smxy> I didn't see one in libopenmetaverse
2015-08-24 01:55 <dahlia> I would
2015-08-24 01:55 <smxy> ok
2015-08-24 01:56 <smxy> Well, that fails in the same way. Grr.
2015-08-24 01:57 <dahlia> dunno
2015-08-24 01:57 <dahlia> looks like justin was the one who added stp to core
2015-08-24 01:57 <smxy> How long ago?
2015-08-24 01:57 <dahlia> may 2015
2015-08-24 01:58 <dahlia> may 2013
2015-08-24 02:06 <dahlia> anyway I don't know the answer. I'd prefer that others chime in, maybe need to discuss this when lkalif and Melanie_T and diva are all around to try to come up with some way to resolve this twisty little maze of dependancies, all different
2015-08-24 02:07 <dahlia> and misterblue too
2015-08-24 02:07 <smxy> I didn't expect we;d solve it this moment. :) I just wanted to do the bisect to see exactly where it broke, is all.
2015-08-24 02:08 <smxy> And to rule out error on my part.
2015-08-24 02:08 <smxy> It'll get sorted out.
2015-08-24 02:08 <dahlia> we'll find a way to blame it all on you, dont worry :)
2015-08-24 02:08 <smxy> hehehe
2015-08-24 03:06 <smxy> dahlia: I have libopenmetaverse cloned, but I don't see the sources for SmartThreadPool in it. Am I missing something, just blind, or what?
2015-08-24 03:06 <smxy> I found OpenSim's version of it.
2015-08-24 03:08 <smxy> I only see a precompiled dll in it's bin.
2015-08-24 03:09 <dahlia> smxy: not sure if you are blind but I'm pretty close to it. Anyway, I don't know what the history or policy is for source for libomv dependencies. I'd think browsing git history might be the best source. I also don't really know how STP is used in libomv so I'm hesitant to just update it. I'd rather lkalif made that decision
2015-08-24 03:11 <dahlia> I'm really not the architect of the threading in either opensim or libomv so I'd prefer those who have been more involved drive this
2015-08-24 03:11 <smxy> BTW, it was added to OpenSim on 5/30/2008, by Teravus.
2015-08-24 03:11 <dahlia> I can do the grunt work if needed
2015-08-24 03:14 <smxy> I see. I think was just confused. I thought you meant that libomv had sources for STP in it and I couldn't find that. Perhaps it just uses a precompiled dll from elsewhere (where, I don't know). I'm just trying to learn and understand. Don't mind me. :)
2015-08-24 03:21 <dahlia> ya I dont know the origins of the dll in libomv
2015-08-24 03:21 <dahlia> I suspect perhaps STP source was added to core to make debugging easier
2015-08-24 03:22 <dahlia> it's usually easier when you can have it all open in the same visual studio solution
2015-08-24 03:22 <smxy> On a different note, so much for getting all those nice statistics frfrom MOSES. I was looking forward to those. Sigh.
2015-08-24 03:22 <dahlia> just use the one that works :P
2015-08-24 03:22 <smxy> from*
2015-08-24 03:23 <dahlia> moses already gave us their stats
2015-08-24 03:23 <smxy> They gave us the first round, which went in, but the second round - all the network stats, didn't get iin, to my knowledge.
2015-08-24 03:24 <smxy> That patch got critiqued to death.
2015-08-24 03:24 <dahlia> oh I haven't followed it
2015-08-24 03:25 <CmdrCupcake> dahlia: Just uh FYI the viewer is past opengl2 <.< 
2015-08-24 03:25 <dahlia> CmdrCupcake: not from what Ive seen
2015-08-24 03:25 <CmdrCupcake> It just uses ARB extensions to do everything because that's the most compatible with all the various hellish opengl impl
2015-08-24 03:25 <CmdrCupcake> :p
2015-08-24 03:26 <dahlia> does it use ARB extensions to do anything that improves performance over 2?
2015-08-24 03:26 <CmdrCupcake> the only thing that improves performance really is in 4
2015-08-24 03:26 <CmdrCupcake> :P
2015-08-24 03:26 <CmdrCupcake> and fixing the vbo mess lol
2015-08-24 03:26 <dahlia> uniform buffer objects
2015-08-24 03:26 <dahlia> instancing
2015-08-24 03:27 <dahlia> texture arrays
2015-08-24 03:27 <CmdrCupcake> ubos could be interesting but that's not really where the slowdowns are
2015-08-24 03:27 <CmdrCupcake> :P
2015-08-24 03:27 <dahlia> I bet it is
2015-08-24 03:27 <CmdrCupcake> haaa.
2015-08-24 03:27 <CmdrCupcake> the octree is a turtle.
2015-08-24 03:27 <dahlia> LL code is the small batch problem, squared
2015-08-24 03:28 <CmdrCupcake> viewer is more cpu bound then gpu bound in most cases
2015-08-24 03:28 <dahlia> yes I know
2015-08-24 03:30 <CmdrCupcake> shy improved the batching ins ingularity significantly
2015-08-24 03:31 <CmdrCupcake> but it breaks osx weirdly lol
2015-08-24 03:31 <dahlia> well you guys have done awesome considering what you have been given to start with :)
2015-08-24 03:32 <dahlia> a decade old design using a decade old API for decade old hardware
2015-08-24 03:33 <CmdrCupcake> It's OpenGL 3 compliant :p 
2015-08-24 03:33 <dahlia> 3 is inclusive of 2
2015-08-24 03:33 <CmdrCupcake> 3 core lacks compatibility
2015-08-24 03:33 <CmdrCupcake> \o/
2015-08-24 03:33 <CmdrCupcake> so no deprecated bits.
2015-08-24 03:33 <CmdrCupcake> :P
2015-08-24 03:34 <dahlia> no matrix stack! :D
2015-08-24 03:34 <CmdrCupcake> everyone just replaces matrix stacks with their own impl anyway
2015-08-24 03:34 <dahlia> oh 3 also has vaos
2015-08-24 03:34 <CmdrCupcake> shy tested vaos lol
2015-08-24 03:34 <dahlia> everyone but me
2015-08-24 03:34 <CmdrCupcake> they're slower 
2015-08-24 03:34 <dahlia> not slower for me
2015-08-24 03:35 <CmdrCupcake> nvidia or amd :P
2015-08-24 03:35 <dahlia> all they do is move state into the driver so it's less overhead
2015-08-24 03:35 <CmdrCupcake> something being not-slow is extremely vendor dependent
2015-08-24 03:35 <dahlia> maybe there was an implementation issue?
2015-08-24 03:36 <CmdrCupcake> each vendor has their own implementation issues
2015-08-24 03:36 <dahlia> I mean application side
2015-08-24 03:40 <CmdrCupcake> depending on the driver to be performant can sometimes bite you in the butt lol
2015-08-24 03:40 <dahlia> anyway none of my viewer code is derived in any wah from LL code so I'm sure I do a lot of things differently so probably comparing apples to asteroids
2015-08-24 03:41 <dahlia> *way
2015-08-24 04:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #4304 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-24 04:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4304: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4304/
2015-08-24 04:30 <osjenkins> * misterblue: In ScenePresence, when removing from the physical scene, unsubscribe
2015-08-24 04:30 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: delay adding a scene presence to the list of presences
2015-08-24 08:42 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-24 08:54 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-24 09:48 <lkalif> dahlia: i told you STP was a wild goose chaise, nothing has changed there in over a year
2015-08-24 09:48 <lkalif> it's all smxy's fault :P
2015-08-24 10:14 <Ubit> #$#$###$!!!
2015-08-24 10:18 <Ubit> lol was going look for a bug.. and i just turned off viewer interpolators... so silly :)
2015-08-24 10:18 <Ubit> (dahlias  fault of course )
2015-08-24 11:13 <dahlia> lkalif: still, opensim has STP in core source so it builds it's own which may not match the one in libomv
2015-08-24 11:14 <dahlia> if libomv doesn't use it, maybe it should be deleted?
2015-08-24 11:18 <dahlia> 
ACTION blames Ubit

2015-08-24 11:18 <dahlia> (and smxy)
2015-08-24 11:20 <lkalif> dahlia: you are not reading what I say
2015-08-24 11:20 <dahlia> wild goose chase?
2015-08-24 11:20 <lkalif> it has worked exactly like that for a long time now
2015-08-24 11:21 <dahlia> ok :)
2015-08-24 11:21 <lkalif> it's not STO Iwas mistaken
2015-08-24 11:21 <lkalif> it's smxy doing something wrong :P
2015-08-24 11:21 <lkalif> like using pcmapbot in the first place ;)
2015-08-24 11:22 <dahlia> lol
2015-08-24 11:26 <Ubit> :)
2015-08-24 11:36 <smxy> Then why did it break only when she updated the DLLs? :)
2015-08-24 13:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4305: FAILURE in 6 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4305/
2015-08-24 13:50 <Ubit> good luck on that mb :p
2015-08-24 14:30 <osmantis> Bug #7704:04 [UserProfiles] using inbuilt Userprofiles with SQLite causes crash on OpenSim.exe exit after establishing a profile 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7704 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-24 14:31 <osmantis> Bug #7704:04 [UserProfiles] with SQLite causes causes AgentPreferencesService crash on OpenSim.exe exit after establishing a profile 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7704 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-08-24 14:32 <osmantis> Bug #7704:04 [UserProfiles] with SQLite causes AgentPreferencesService crash on OpenSim.exe exit after establishing a profile 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7704 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-08-24 15:10 <Plugh> AFAICT, the V2 offline messaging doesn't handle forwarding messages to email. Is that a feature on the ToDo list for someone or is there some other reason it hasn't been (or won't? be) done?
2015-08-24 16:22 <Plugh> hmm... I don't know what's up with Singularity. It seems development has completely stalled. No new alpha release since 1.8.6 (6583) which I've had for months.
2015-08-24 16:23 <nebadon> viewer development is always very slow
2015-08-24 16:23 <nebadon> I wish we had someone who understood the openGL side, the engine of the viewer itself
2015-08-24 16:24 <nebadon> and not just the LL protocols and UI
2015-08-24 16:24 <nebadon> I dont even think LL understands it anymore
2015-08-24 16:24 <Plugh> Sing has had fairly frequent updates for its alpha releases. Usually at least one every couple weeks or so.
2015-08-24 16:25 <Plugh> hm... perhaps it is a summer thing.
2015-08-24 16:25 <nebadon> possibly
2015-08-24 16:25 <Plugh> The version I'm using now is from 2 months ago, then there were two releases 3 months back.
2015-08-24 16:25 <nebadon> but ya one thing i wish singularity would have fixed is that it cant view anything in HTTPS anymore
2015-08-24 16:26 <nebadon> you cant do HTTPS on Moap or Splash Screen
2015-08-24 16:26 <Plugh> I want them to fix voice chat. I can hear but I can't talk.
2015-08-24 16:26 <nebadon> i use voice all the time 
2015-08-24 16:26 <nebadon> thats a linux problem likely
2015-08-24 16:26 <nebadon> sound in linux sucks
2015-08-24 16:26 <Plugh> Doesn't work for me. I use Firestorm Beta 4.7.1 for voice.
2015-08-24 16:26 <Plugh> yea, tell me about it.
2015-08-24 16:27 <nebadon> as much as I love linux, the sound system is the worst thing ever
2015-08-24 16:27 <nebadon> driver support is horribl
2015-08-24 16:39 <Plugh> I had no real issues with sound. It seemed fine to me. Then someone decided that we needed PulseAudio and its been a mess ever since.
2015-08-24 17:09 <lkalif> there were several singularity alphas on the original alpha site, but they are broke
2015-08-24 17:09 <lkalif> don't download them
2015-08-24 17:09 <lkalif> they break appearance on opensim
2015-08-24 17:09 <nebadon> I still use Replex mostly :)
2015-08-24 17:10 <nebadon> I almost never actually run Singularity
2015-08-24 17:10 <lkalif> I run Replex too
2015-08-24 17:10 <nebadon> occasionaly when im doing machinima i will use Firestorm
2015-08-24 17:11 <nebadon> shadows seem better on firestorm
2015-08-24 17:11 <smxy> Replex gets almost as many updates as Singularity. Almost like someone quit supporting it.
2015-08-24 17:11 <smxy> :)
2015-08-24 17:11 <lkalif> I almost quit living too
2015-08-24 17:12 <smxy> Yes, you did have a good reason. Nice to see you back.
2015-08-24 17:15 <lkalif> LiruCookies needs to unbreak Singularity first ;)
2015-08-24 17:15 <nebadon> I think we need a new viewer :)
2015-08-24 17:16 <nebadon> would be nice to have a viewer that takes advantage of modern hardware
2015-08-24 17:16 <nebadon> thats pretty much never going to happen with LL viewer
2015-08-24 17:17 <lkalif> we need world peace too
2015-08-24 17:17 <nebadon> haha
2015-08-24 17:17 <lkalif> and just as likelu
2015-08-24 17:18 <nebadon> im messing with Unity3D 
2015-08-24 17:18 <nebadon> figured id see if I could get my gigantic blender scene to render in WebGL
2015-08-24 17:18 <nebadon> so far Ive managed to make the unity editor crash 5 times
2015-08-24 17:18 <lkalif> lol
2015-08-24 17:19 <nebadon> its amazingly slow
2015-08-24 17:19 <nebadon> the interface
2015-08-24 17:19 <nebadon> everytime i click something i wait
2015-08-24 17:19 <nebadon> ive been exporting wegbl project for almost 15 minutes
2015-08-24 17:19 <nebadon> i think maybe its crashed
2015-08-24 17:19 <lkalif> your model is killing it
2015-08-24 17:19 <nebadon> probably
2015-08-24 17:19 <nebadon> if it is then unity is pretty useless
2015-08-24 17:20 <nebadon> this model isnt that large or complex really
2015-08-24 17:20 <nebadon> its like 1/10 of what is actually visible in this model in opensim 
2015-08-24 17:20 <nebadon> heh
2015-08-24 17:21 <nebadon> im just trying to get a static camera
2015-08-24 17:21 <nebadon> to render static scene
2015-08-24 17:33 <Plugh> lkalif: I'm running the latest Singularity Alpha that is available.
2015-08-24 17:33 <Plugh> yea, there are a few things I'd like to see fixed in a viewer. 
2015-08-24 17:33 <Plugh> Get voice chat working so I can talk using it. 
2015-08-24 17:34 <Plugh> Stop the camera from spinning around on its own during edit mode when I'm zoomed in close and change which prim I have selected, or do some operation that makes it want to change my view.
2015-08-24 18:06 <lkalif> Plugh: did you have the time to play with GridProxyGui?
2015-08-24 18:07 <Plugh> No. Too busy on other things. It does look like a GTK project and the layout appears same as WGP. That's as far as I got.
2015-08-24 18:13 <Wanderer_42> lkalif: How can I disable hovertips on replex?  I was in debugsettings, but I always get Infos if the mouse is over plants, fireplaces etc.
2015-08-24 18:17 <lkalif> Wanderer_42: view menu, hover tips
2015-08-24 18:18 <lkalif> turnoff tips on all objects
2015-08-24 18:18 <Wanderer_42> Thank you. I was blind ;-)   I set ShowAllObjectHoverTip,ShowHoverTips,ShowLandHoverTip all to false
2015-08-24 18:18 <Wanderer_42> But now it works
2015-08-24 18:18 <Wanderer_42> I had overseen that menu-option
2015-08-24 18:19 <Wanderer_42> *overlooked
2015-08-24 18:26 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-24 18:26 <nebadon> http://projectrep.com/unity3d/test_002/
2015-08-24 18:26 <nebadon> 432mb
2015-08-24 18:26 <nebadon> with no textures :/
2015-08-24 18:26 <nebadon> the FBX file is 74mb
2015-08-24 18:26 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-24 18:27 <nebadon> lkalif figurd out why unity was constantly crashing
2015-08-24 18:27 <nebadon> Spybot Search and Destroy AV
2015-08-24 18:27 <nebadon> has an option to scan all .exe before they run
2015-08-24 18:28 <nebadon> Unity Launches like 100 exe files
2015-08-24 18:28 <lkalif> lol
2015-08-24 18:28 <nebadon> i literally had like 100+ virus scans going
2015-08-24 18:28 <lkalif> 432mb lol
2015-08-24 18:28 <nebadon> ya absurd
2015-08-24 18:28 <nebadon> frigan json
2015-08-24 18:29 <nebadon> webgl is cool and all
2015-08-24 18:29 <nebadon> but it has very short legs
2015-08-24 18:31 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, have u looked at monogame?
2015-08-24 18:31 <nebadon> never even heard of it
2015-08-24 18:31 <nebadon> any good?
2015-08-24 18:31 <AliciaRaven> monos implementation of microsofts xna
2015-08-24 18:31 <nebadon> and I thought unity was monogam
2015-08-24 18:31 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-24 18:32 <nebadon> ah
2015-08-24 18:32 <lkalif> it's xna port
2015-08-24 18:32 <nebadon> i was only trying Unity for its WebGL
2015-08-24 18:33 <nebadon> which so far is kind of what i expected
2015-08-24 18:33 <nebadon> not wowing me 
2015-08-24 18:34 <dahlia> grrr nebadon you crashed my firefox :P
2015-08-24 18:35 <nebadon> haha
2015-08-24 18:35 <nebadon> you expected anything less?
2015-08-24 18:36 <nebadon> 
ACTION < alpha and omega, first i create then i destroy!!

2015-08-24 18:36 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-24 18:36 <nebadon> im going to try again with collada
2015-08-24 18:36 <nebadon> blender fbx support is not so great
2015-08-24 18:37 <nebadon> hoping thats why all the textures got lost
2015-08-24 18:38 <nebadon> anyone have a quick easy way to make it so you can fly around a unity scene?
2015-08-24 18:38 <nebadon> or even just have camera spin?
2015-08-24 18:38 <nebadon> some motion?
2015-08-24 18:39 <nebadon> im not content with just crashing dahlias firefox... need to crash the operating system now too :P
2015-08-24 18:39 <Plugh> hehe
2015-08-24 18:40 <Plugh> I have a camera move thing for Blender. Don't know about something for Unity.
2015-08-24 18:40 <nebadon> ya blender its easy
2015-08-24 18:40 <nebadon> thoguh it takes 30 minutes per frame to render :P
2015-08-24 18:40 <Plugh> oh, that sucks
2015-08-24 18:40 <nebadon> well i guess in blender game engine you can do it easier
2015-08-24 18:40 <nebadon> i only know how to do it in the timeline editor
2015-08-24 18:40 <nebadon> not in the game engine
2015-08-24 18:41 <nebadon> it would be cool to have blender connect directly to opensim
2015-08-24 18:41 <dahlia> Ive done that with 2.49
2015-08-24 18:41 <nebadon> i have belnder configured so that in Material View in editor
2015-08-24 18:42 <nebadon> it looks very similar to what opensim looks like
2015-08-24 18:43 <dahlia> when blender went to 2.5 the totally changed all the pythin apis and broke *all* my scripts
2015-08-24 18:43 <dahlia> and I had a *lot* of cool scripts
2015-08-24 18:43 <Plugh> yeah.
2015-08-24 18:43 <nebadon> hmmm Unity doesnt seem to treat collada the same as FBX
2015-08-24 18:43 <Plugh> I have the scripts for Prim.Blender which gives you the ability to do prim building in Blender.
2015-08-24 18:43 <Plugh> It doesn't work any more.
2015-08-24 18:43 <nebadon> when i try to rez it in the scene its just a box
2015-08-24 18:44 <nebadon> I have vowed to never use prims ever again
2015-08-24 18:45 <Plugh> :)
2015-08-24 18:45 <dahlia> I have a certain nostalgic fondness for prims :) but yeah, I do poly modeling for just about everything
2015-08-24 18:46 <Plugh> I haven't been doing a lot of building of late. I should try building houses using mesh from now on. That would be a lot easier.
2015-08-24 18:47 <nebadon> its so much easier
2015-08-24 18:47 <nebadon> i mean you can do cool stuff with prims
2015-08-24 18:47 <Plugh> yea, especially when I can use my main 3D modelling program.
2015-08-24 18:47 <nebadon> and in certain cases they do make sense
2015-08-24 18:47 <nebadon> but the inability to make minor adjustments
2015-08-24 18:48 <nebadon> and having to use a whole extra prim, for just a minor adjustment
2015-08-24 18:48 <nebadon> it just doesnst scale
2015-08-24 18:48 <Plugh> ya, that is a downside to mesh
2015-08-24 18:48 <nebadon> well i mean for prims
2015-08-24 18:48 <nebadon> not being able to edit a single vertice
2015-08-24 18:48 <nebadon> so i have to use a whole extra cube
2015-08-24 18:48 <dahlia> prims make a lot of sense when you want to bring the masses in and let them make stuff and feel a sense of ownership
2015-08-24 18:48 <nebadon> to do something that could be done just by moving 1 vertice on the cube
2015-08-24 18:49 <nebadon> ya
2015-08-24 18:49 <nebadon> but it would have been nice to have advanced editor
2015-08-24 18:49 <nebadon> that let you edit your prim after you rezzed it
2015-08-24 18:49 <nebadon> but that is complicated stuff too
2015-08-24 18:49 <Plugh> Solution is "simple". Include mesh editing of objects in the viewer. ;)
2015-08-24 18:49 <nebadon> even just boolean
2015-08-24 18:49 <dahlia> the mesh pipeline is pretty weak
2015-08-24 18:49 <nebadon> would have been amazing
2015-08-24 18:49 <Plugh> That would be a case of needing a link to blender.
2015-08-24 18:49 <nebadon> boolean 2 cubes together
2015-08-24 18:50 <nebadon> or a cube and a sphere
2015-08-24 18:50 <Plugh> ya, that would be neat.
2015-08-24 18:50 <nebadon> but teturing gets super complicated
2015-08-24 18:50 <lkalif> prims are very network friendly
2015-08-24 18:50 <Plugh> CSG type editing
2015-08-24 18:51 <lkalif> mesh allows people like nebadon to abuse poor machines ;)
2015-08-24 18:52 <nebadon> :D
2015-08-24 18:52 <Plugh> hehe
2015-08-24 18:52 <lkalif> optimizing models is an art
2015-08-24 18:52 <Plugh> nebaon doesn't need mesh for that. Just scripts. 
2015-08-24 18:52 <Plugh> Like the klein bottle generator or the one that makes a Sierpinski triangle.
2015-08-24 18:52 <nebadon> ya thats what killed me for texturing for a long time too lkalif
2015-08-24 18:53 <lkalif> pro games save every vertex and draw call they can
2015-08-24 18:53 <nebadon> im finding its nearly impossibly to texture things unless the geometetry is layed out in a very specific way
2015-08-24 18:53 <lkalif> it's amazing how optimized game models are
2015-08-24 18:53 <nebadon> yea
2015-08-24 18:53 <Plugh> yeah
2015-08-24 18:53 <nebadon> that is the only way webgl works well
2015-08-24 18:53 <nebadon> you count every vertice
2015-08-24 18:54 <nebadon> calculate every kb of texture memory
2015-08-24 18:54 <nebadon> console style game programming
2015-08-24 18:55 <Plugh> Always fun working with limited memory.
2015-08-24 18:55 <Plugh> I'm working on an RL project for myself using a small 8-pin microcontroller. 8k for program and 512 bytes of RAM where I need 255 bytes for data buffers.
2015-08-24 18:55 <lkalif> people like to diss the linden viewer, but it's amazing at what it does
2015-08-24 18:56 <diva> yes it is. if only we could strip that renderer out of it and wrap it in something else...
2015-08-24 18:56 <lkalif> game engines keel over and die trying to do something like that
2015-08-24 18:57 <nebadon> yea
2015-08-24 18:57 <nebadon> hell even 3DS Max and Maya keel over with scenes like that
2015-08-24 18:57 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-24 18:58 <nebadon> blender too
2015-08-24 18:58 <nebadon> no way i could load some of our really large models into blender
2015-08-24 18:58 <nebadon> computer would literally bluescreen
2015-08-24 18:59 <nebadon> in the editors you constantly have to hide 90% of your scene
2015-08-24 18:59 <nebadon> cause it gets so laggy after a while
2015-08-24 18:59 <lkalif> optimize :)
2015-08-24 19:00 <nebadon> ya that is what I am doing basically :)
2015-08-24 19:00 <nebadon> http://projectrep.com/Upplands_Vasby/preview/
2015-08-24 19:00 <nebadon> this is that model you saw in unity earlier
2015-08-24 19:00 <nebadon> rendered HD in blender directly
2015-08-24 19:01 <diva> neb just gave unity3d another shot to see how much better it got since 2011, especially the webgl player. Result: still a no go
2015-08-24 19:02 <lkalif> nebandon needs to learn ro make more efficient moddels :P
2015-08-24 19:02 <nebadon> its a balance of time
2015-08-24 19:03 <nebadon> also some of these models come from Architects
2015-08-24 19:03 <nebadon> i am tasked with converting / optimizing them
2015-08-24 19:03 <nebadon> i can usually reduce it by 75-90%
2015-08-24 19:03 <nebadon> without visual loss of quality
2015-08-24 19:03 <nebadon> but it can be time consuming
2015-08-24 19:03 <nebadon> so its a balance of time vs quality
2015-08-24 19:03 <nebadon> vs performance
2015-08-24 19:04 <nebadon> webgl makes things more expensive time wise
2015-08-24 19:04 <nebadon> nice for users
2015-08-24 19:04 <nebadon> sucks for creators
2015-08-24 19:05 <nebadon> hmm it seems unity can not use Collada
2015-08-24 19:05 <Plugh> diva, I read that WiFi sends is messages out via gmail by default? 
2015-08-24 19:05 <nebadon> it lets me open the collada file and it shows as an asset 
2015-08-24 19:05 <nebadon> but i can not make it visible
2015-08-24 19:06 <nebadon> blender FBX support is probably not good enough to use with unity
2015-08-24 19:06 <diva> Plugh, it's configurable; you set it to any smtp server you want
2015-08-24 19:06 <lkalif> collada worked fine when i tried
2015-08-24 19:06 <lkalif> you can also tell it to import .blend
2015-08-24 19:06 <Plugh> yea, the docs said something about modifying MyWorld.ini but I haven't found the doc about the format of that file yet.
2015-08-24 19:06 <nebadon> really
2015-08-24 19:06 <nebadon> let me try that
2015-08-24 19:06 <nebadon> though no
2015-08-24 19:06 <nebadon> i cant do that
2015-08-24 19:06 <nebadon> i have several layers of hidden content
2015-08-24 19:07 <lkalif> it auto reloads when you save in blender
2015-08-24 19:07 <diva> https://github.com/diva/d2/wiki/Wifi
2015-08-24 19:07 <nebadon> ah so its only what was in the editor last lklaif?
2015-08-24 19:07 <nebadon> let me try that
2015-08-24 19:07 <lkalif> makes iterative wotrk a breeze
2015-08-24 19:08 <nebadon> another win for opensource :)
2015-08-24 19:09 <diva> it would be nice to get decent performance for our models in Unity3d webgl. I actually like Unity3d very much
2015-08-24 19:09 <nebadon> I want to like Unity
2015-08-24 19:09 <nebadon> but so far its frustrating
2015-08-24 19:10 <nebadon> have you ever used Unity in team mode lkalif?
2015-08-24 19:10 <nebadon> wondering if it works well
2015-08-24 19:10 <lkalif> no
2015-08-24 19:10 <nebadon> I dont want to work in some kind of monolithic environment
2015-08-24 19:10 <nebadon> where there is a single master file someone controls
2015-08-24 19:11 <Plugh> diva: got it. It is just the Wifi.ini file in addins-config. Found the settings and they are pointing at localhost so should be ok.
2015-08-24 19:11 <diva> it's a version control server, it should work well
2015-08-24 19:11 <nebadon> "should"
2015-08-24 19:11 <nebadon> haha
2015-08-24 19:11 <diva> I don't have any issues with what I read from their team mode. It should work fine
2015-08-24 19:11 <diva> it's the bottom line rendering performance that obviously needs more to it
2015-08-24 19:12 <lkalif> ivo sounds croatian ;)
2015-08-24 19:12 <nebadon> ya
2015-08-24 19:12 <nebadon> unity editor is slow as dirt too
2015-08-24 19:12 <nebadon> that concerns me a bit
2015-08-24 19:12 <ivo34> hello again did anybody succeed running builders buddy script on a 512x512 var region?
2015-08-24 19:12 <nebadon> 90% of the time im sitting here waiting for hour glass to go away
2015-08-24 19:12 <ivo34> hello nebadon
2015-08-24 19:12 <nebadon> hello
2015-08-24 19:12 <nebadon> i have never tried
2015-08-24 19:13 <lkalif> nebadon: it worked fine here
2015-08-24 19:13 <nebadon> I have however written my own rezzer in Vars
2015-08-24 19:13 <nebadon> and it worked
2015-08-24 19:13 <ivo34> I tried with the outworldz buiders buddy 10.1 version
2015-08-24 19:13 <lkalif> as I said, your model is killing it ;)
2015-08-24 19:13 <nebadon> omg it loaded blender file how cool
2015-08-24 19:13 <nebadon> it didnt load just current scene though
2015-08-24 19:13 <nebadon> it loads everything
2015-08-24 19:13 <nebadon> so not useable in my current file
2015-08-24 19:13 <nebadon> would require a shit ton of cleaning
2015-08-24 19:14 <ivo34> hey nebadon did you post that rezzer on your website?
2015-08-24 19:14 <ivo34> I ll give it a try if you dont mind
2015-08-24 19:14 <nebadon> no my script was super basic
2015-08-24 19:15 <nebadon> remember in OpenSim there are not the same linking limits as SL
2015-08-24 19:15 <nebadon> so builder budy is of limited value here
2015-08-24 19:15 <nebadon> you dont need to record the location of 500 peices
2015-08-24 19:15 <nebadon> you can just link the whole damn thing
2015-08-24 19:15 <nebadon> and make a very simple rezzer
2015-08-24 19:15 <lkalif> i was making stuff like chairs and lamps. it's great to modify in blender, just hit save, and alt-tab to unity which detects the change and reloads the model in place
2015-08-24 19:15 <nebadon> nice ya that would be great
2015-08-24 19:16 <nebadon> i wonder how well that works when you use team mode though
2015-08-24 19:16 <ivo34> oh
2015-08-24 19:16 <nebadon> if file locking occurs on files
2015-08-24 19:16 <lkalif> also textures
2015-08-24 19:16 <nebadon> like in Unity Team mode how would it handle 2 people working on the same blender file
2015-08-24 19:16 <lkalif> modify in photoshop and save
2015-08-24 19:17 <nebadon> i cant even do that here locally on network
2015-08-24 19:17 <nebadon> blender locks the file
2015-08-24 19:17 <lkalif> and boom, unity updates
2015-08-24 19:17 <nebadon> ya blender works similarly for external assets
2015-08-24 19:17 <lkalif> nebadon: working on one file  feels wrong
2015-08-24 19:17 <nebadon> you can have external links that let external apps edit
2015-08-24 19:17 <nebadon> or you can embed it inside of blender
2015-08-24 19:17 <ivo34> what if I want some phantom prims in the rezzer?
2015-08-24 19:18 <nebadon> well lkalif our plan is to use it like opensimulator
2015-08-24 19:18 <nebadon> for builders anyway
2015-08-24 19:18 <nebadon> where several people are all working on the same model
2015-08-24 19:18 <nebadon> but in pure mesh environment
2015-08-24 19:18 <nebadon> or mostly mesh
2015-08-24 19:18 <lkalif> does opensim support physics properties?
2015-08-24 19:19 <nebadon> like glass, wood, rubber?
2015-08-24 19:19 <lkalif> like hull, prim and none?
2015-08-24 19:19 <nebadon> oh
2015-08-24 19:19 <nebadon> sort of
2015-08-24 19:19 <lkalif> lol
2015-08-24 19:19 <nebadon> im not sure convex hull works
2015-08-24 19:19 <nebadon> but prim and none do
2015-08-24 19:19 <nebadon> convex might work
2015-08-24 19:19 <nebadon> ive not tested it much, misterblue would know better
2015-08-24 19:19 <lkalif> SL you can make "none" physics in a linkset
2015-08-24 19:19 <nebadon> yes
2015-08-24 19:19 <nebadon> that does work
2015-08-24 19:19 <lkalif> no need for phantom
2015-08-24 19:20 <nebadon> i use it on my racers
2015-08-24 19:20 <nebadon> the wheels are sphere
2015-08-24 19:20 <nebadon> body is box
2015-08-24 19:20 <nebadon> and the mesh body and wheels get set to none
2015-08-24 19:20 <nebadon> so its very basic mesh for physics
2015-08-24 19:20 <lkalif> cool
2015-08-24 19:20 <lkalif> ivo34: you can do that in a linkset instead of phantom
2015-08-24 19:22 <nebadon> one thing i notice is none of my models have textures in Unity
2015-08-24 19:22 <nebadon> wonder why
2015-08-24 19:22 <nebadon> even the blender file directly
2015-08-24 19:22 <nebadon> all textures are missing
2015-08-24 19:24 <lkalif> you need to set materials
2015-08-24 19:24 <nebadon> even though its all set in blender?
2015-08-24 19:25 <nebadon> i have to redo it all in Unity?
2015-08-24 19:25 <lkalif> i don't recall
2015-08-24 19:25 <nebadon> that would take a really long time
2015-08-24 19:26 <nebadon> like 75 textures on several 100 objects
2015-08-24 19:26 <lkalif> see import options, there are a ton of them for each asset
2015-08-24 19:26 <lkalif> and you can change them after the fact
2015-08-24 19:27 <nebadon> it looks like blender doesnt include textures in FBX export
2015-08-24 19:27 <nebadon> maybe i need to manually copy the textures into asset folder
2015-08-24 19:27 <nebadon> or load all the textures individually
2015-08-24 19:27 <lkalif> in collada export there is a checkbox you need to tick on the export page
2015-08-24 19:28 <lkalif> not on by default
2015-08-24 19:28 <nebadon> i cant get the collada files to load in unity
2015-08-24 19:28 <nebadon> when i try to put it on the scene its just a cube
2015-08-24 19:28 <nebadon> even though its 278mb collada file
2015-08-24 19:28 <lkalif> i  mean check the options in the left toolbar when exporting
2015-08-24 19:28 <nebadon> and the cube doesnt even stay
2015-08-24 19:29 <nebadon> it instantly poofs
2015-08-24 19:29 <nebadon> oh ya I have everything set
2015-08-24 19:29 <nebadon> textures and materials
2015-08-24 19:29 <nebadon> same as i do for opensim
2015-08-24 19:29 <lkalif> i'm pretty sure it worked
2015-08-24 19:29 <nebadon> ya i remember last time i used unity i used collada
2015-08-24 19:29 <lkalif> even imports blender animations
2015-08-24 19:29 <nebadon> ya i saw you can change type
2015-08-24 19:30 <nebadon> rig, animation, etc..
2015-08-24 19:30 <nebadon> i didnt see any where to add textures in unity
2015-08-24 19:30 <lkalif> surely textures work too from .blend and .fbx
2015-08-24 19:30 <nebadon> i see a list of shaders for each object
2015-08-24 19:30 <nebadon> that show the texture name 
2015-08-24 19:30 <nebadon> but not showing any texture or anywhere to even open a texture
2015-08-24 19:31 <nebadon> im staring over
2015-08-24 19:31 <nebadon> i might need to open all the files
2015-08-24 19:31 <nebadon> the textures too, select everything, i was just selecting the .dae file
2015-08-24 19:32 <lkalif> ¨pay attention to both export options in blender and import options in unity
2015-08-24 19:32 <lkalif> and try a more sane object first :P
2015-08-24 19:32 <nebadon> yea im not seeing any import options but maybe blind
2015-08-24 19:33 <nebadon> there are litterally no options for import in unity
2015-08-24 19:33 <nebadon> you go to add asset, it lets you browse for file
2015-08-24 19:33 <nebadon> only option is ok or cancel
2015-08-24 19:33 <lkalif> there a million options after you impot
2015-08-24 19:33 <nebadon> you hit ok and 10 minutes later it shows up in assets
2015-08-24 19:33 <nebadon> ah ok after
2015-08-24 19:33 <lkalif> on the right panel
2015-08-24 19:34 <lkalif> and try a sane model first
2015-08-24 19:34 <nebadon> aha
2015-08-24 19:34 <nebadon> material naming
2015-08-24 19:34 <nebadon> in Unity
2015-08-24 19:34 <nebadon> not sure if this makes a difference though
2015-08-24 19:35 <lkalif> it works'
2015-08-24 19:35 <lkalif> you just need to learn it :P
2015-08-24 19:35 <Plugh> Does V2 offline message handle sending IM messages to email?
2015-08-24 19:35 <nebadon> i highly doubt it
2015-08-24 19:36 <Plugh> Any reason why not, other than someone hasn't added in the hooks to do it?
2015-08-24 19:36 <ivo34> this guy teaches how to use a simple rezzer:-)
2015-08-24 19:36 <ivo34> https://fxualeducation.wordpress.com/2012/08/30/holodeck01/
2015-08-24 19:36 <nebadon> nice ivo34
2015-08-24 19:36 <ivo34> he uses a touch start event
2015-08-24 19:37 <nebadon> my rezzer was based on the example on the ll wiki
2015-08-24 19:37 <lkalif> Plugh: wgat do you mean v2?
2015-08-24 19:37 <Plugh> I use a copy of Builders Buddy rezzer from SL
2015-08-24 19:37 <nebadon> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlRezObject
2015-08-24 19:37 <ivo34> I would like to use aligned prims to trigger the rezzer
2015-08-24 19:38 <Plugh> lkalif: core vs the add on. The ini file setting include V2 in referencing the "new" core versions of features that were mostly done using a module and external webserver/PHP in the past.
2015-08-24 19:38 <ivo34> put you use three concentric cylinders...and the rezzer rezzes the object when they are properly aligned (they also need to be touch start rotated a quarter turn each time for instance)
2015-08-24 19:47 <nebadon> ok got collada file loaded
2015-08-24 19:47 <nebadon> i think the file i was using was bad maybe I dunno
2015-08-24 19:47 <nebadon> all I did was create a new collada and that one worked
2015-08-24 19:47 <nebadon> even though blender could read the old collada
2015-08-24 19:58 <nebadon> ok I think I may have figured out the texture thing
2015-08-24 20:00 <nebadon> this seems like a lot of extra work
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2015-08-24 20:26 <nebadon> seems like i have to retexture everything again in unity
2015-08-24 20:26 <nebadon> which i figured out how to do fine
2015-08-24 20:26 <nebadon> just wierd that kind of stuff doesnt import
2015-08-24 20:27 <nebadon> the unity docs seem to kind of imply this is how it works
2015-08-24 20:31 <nebadon> interesting the collada project came out smaller than the fbx project
2015-08-24 20:31 <nebadon> 303mb now
2015-08-24 20:31 <nebadon> and this one has tetxures
2015-08-24 20:31 <nebadon> i think
2015-08-24 20:32 <nebadon> man it looks terrible
2015-08-24 20:32 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-24 20:32 <nebadon> straight out of 1997
2015-08-24 20:35 <nebadon> http://projectrep.com/unity3d/test_003/
2015-08-24 20:42 <nebadon> aha found quality settings
2015-08-24 20:44 <antont> we are also using that webgl export in a thing where use the native app on android for the oculus-samsung gear vr thing, and then web export for a related diff client (with the same 3d stuff) for normal laptop use
2015-08-24 20:44 <nebadon> nice
2015-08-24 20:44 <antont> .. iirc the guy working on it tweaked the quality down as a test at some point to get a smaller file :p
2015-08-24 20:44 <nebadon> im going other way
2015-08-24 20:44 <nebadon> i just maxed that thing out
2015-08-24 20:44 <antont> yep :)
2015-08-24 20:44 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-24 20:45 <nebadon> its rendering again now
2015-08-24 20:45 <nebadon> my secret plan to melt dahlias cpu
2015-08-24 20:46 <nebadon> now i just need to get camera moving around
2015-08-24 20:46 <nebadon> see how realistic it is to render really large scenes in webgl
2015-08-24 20:46 <nebadon> im feeling pretty skeptical about it still
2015-08-24 20:46 <antont> yah. to me it seems that there is now good use both for unity and e.g. three.js .. nice to do (simple) fast loading, integrated to web perhaps, things with three .. but the usual upsides with unity for nice 3d authoring, but always a bigger load & init time so more like for 3d apps than for web page like things
2015-08-24 20:47 <antont> right
2015-08-24 20:47 <antont> our scenes are somewhat rich but also optimized .. as needs to be really optimized for the android phone based VR
2015-08-24 20:47 <antont> so run fine with webgl / js emscripten thing too
2015-08-24 20:47 <nebadon> yea im still looking to mostly only run on powerful laptops / desktops
2015-08-24 20:47 <nebadon> for the most part
2015-08-24 20:47 <nebadon> tabelts would be a bonus
2015-08-24 20:47 <nebadon> tablets*
2015-08-24 20:49 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, if u want to melt the cpu add your ball drop physics to that scene lol
2015-08-24 20:49 <nebadon> haha
2015-08-24 20:49 <antont> :)
2015-08-24 20:49 <antont> great tip i'm sure!
2015-08-24 20:50 <nebadon> i do want to get objects moving around
2015-08-24 20:50 <nebadon> we generally have vehicles and npcs
2015-08-24 20:50 <nebadon> for me this is more about pushing webgl more than unity
2015-08-24 20:50 <nebadon> if unity works great, i just want to see how much webgl can render
2015-08-24 20:51 <nebadon> most of the examples on the web are very limited displays of content
2015-08-24 20:51 <nebadon> i dont expect what i am doing to work on every device
2015-08-24 20:51 <nebadon> probably wont work on most in fact
2015-08-24 20:52 <nebadon> http://projectrep.com/unity3d/test_004/
2015-08-24 20:52 <nebadon> dial to 11
2015-08-24 20:52 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-24 20:53 <nebadon> that is more like it
2015-08-24 20:54 <nebadon> i wish I understood shaders better, so much to learn
2015-08-24 20:54 <nebadon> Unity only gets you so far
2015-08-24 20:55 <nebadon> the included stuff that is
2015-08-24 20:55 <AliciaRaven> im getting started learning shaders tonight
2015-08-24 20:55 <AliciaRaven> ive got the paracetamol ready lol
2015-08-24 20:55 <antont> well google maps earth renders quite a lot with webgl
2015-08-24 20:55 <antont> i think here maps 3d (older, haven't checked recently) too
2015-08-24 20:56 <antont> .. we visited them once (in berlin), were devvin their first webgl rendering then, and told actually that the webgl version for them meant doing more stuff on the server side
2015-08-24 20:56 <antont> perhaps to precalc stuff like i don't know, visibility culling scene data structures or something, and merged low detail geometry, so that the weaker client can manage
2015-08-24 20:58 <antont> i've been guessing e.g. google does clever stuff with different render passes or something like that, handles far away parts in a lighter fashion etc
2015-08-24 20:58 <antont> otoh those scenes are not so detailed .. but can be pretty huge otherwise, lots of those boxes
2015-08-24 20:58 <antont> and the funny aerial scan based tree blobs :)
2015-08-24 20:58 <nebadon> ya its easy to do basic boxes and stuff
2015-08-24 20:59 <nebadon> im not even sure you need full webgl for that
2015-08-24 20:59 <antont> the google buildings are not boxes though, have roof shape from the aerial scans too .. works better for houses than trees it seems :p
2015-08-24 20:59 <nebadon> ya 
2015-08-24 20:59 <antont> but yah anyhow quite low poly per building
2015-08-24 20:59 <nebadon> most are still pretty mangled
2015-08-24 21:00 <antont> anyhoo unity certainly is a good way to test webgl perf / capabilities in general, unreal perhaps too
2015-08-24 21:00 <antont> so have fun :)
2015-08-24 21:00 <nebadon> ya one of the real problems with these platforms is the high barrier to entry
2015-08-24 21:00 <nebadon> even if it works great
2015-08-24 21:01 <nebadon> finding people who can understand it all
2015-08-24 21:01 <nebadon> its not easy
2015-08-24 21:01 <antont> to contrast, here is a very ugly little wip thing that should load & init much quicker than any unity thing :) http://antont.github.io/an/
2015-08-24 21:01 <nebadon> nice
2015-08-24 21:01 <antont> nebadon: good point there, agreed
2015-08-24 21:01 <antont> is a port of an ancient py thing that did for a procedural games combo once :)
2015-08-24 21:02 <nebadon> here is my first webgl project
2015-08-24 21:02 <nebadon> http://onikenkon.com/webgl2/pong2/
2015-08-24 21:02 <nebadon> haha
2015-08-24 21:03 <antont> there's a screenshot, it started from that procedural tree actually .. or had that for VJing before the game challenge in which added the apples + birds, http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=1946.0
2015-08-24 21:03 <antont> nebadon: we feature pong in the webtundra&tundra manual as a hello world of multiplayer gaming, in https://forge.fiware.org/plugins/mediawiki/wiki/fiware/index.php/3D-UI_-_WebTundra_-_User_and_Programmers_Guide#Pong_Example :)
2015-08-24 21:04 <antont> will need to update and improve hopefully that doc soon for new release
2015-08-24 21:05 <nebadon> cool
2015-08-24 21:06 <antont> this has 10 clients in iframes to allow easy testing of the n player func .. has usually noticeable latency with the websocket conn to the server in spain, http://130.206.81.111/pong/nclients.html
2015-08-24 21:06 <antont> my fav toy :)
2015-08-24 21:06 <antont> ah i think that test server is down now
2015-08-24 21:08 <antont> .. ok now the tundra side is on again, the websocket biz works
2015-08-24 21:09 <antont> rigidbody movement msg optimization things have just landed / are wip in dev branch(es), haven't gotten to test that with those yet, hopefully improves a lot
2015-08-24 21:09 <antont> if it gets clever and starts communicating velocity vector changes etc .. that was there for the c++ client earlier but wasn't for websockets earlier yet
2015-08-24 21:11 <antont> nebadon: i don't see the scene in your pong - just the 2d texts & hear sounds :)
2015-08-24 21:11 <antont> ah it's also three.js
2015-08-24 21:11 <antont> i get "Could not initialise shader
2015-08-24 21:11 <antont> VALIDATE_STATUS: false, gl error [0]"
2015-08-24 21:13 <nebadon> ya wierd
2015-08-24 21:13 <nebadon> something must have changed
2015-08-24 21:13 <nebadon> i havent loaded that in a while
2015-08-24 21:13 <nebadon> few months ago was last I tried
2015-08-24 21:14 <nebadon> i was messing with shadertoy on my main website
2015-08-24 21:14 <nebadon> embedding some of their shaders as backgrounds
2015-08-24 21:14 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com
2015-08-24 21:14 <nebadon> if you refresh a few times
2015-08-24 21:14 <nebadon> crazy what some people are doing on that website
2015-08-24 21:24 <antont> nebadon: cool bg, interesting to see, thanks! have been thinking of similar usages with friends here too, perhaps something subtle to the playsign site even etc
2015-08-24 21:52 <dahlia> antont: you guys are using unity now?
2015-08-24 21:56 <dahlia> my current fave shader: http://glslsandbox.com/e#26851.2
2015-08-24 21:59 <antont> well we've always used whatever engines in different projects
2015-08-24 22:00 <antont> pygame, ogre3d, flash, webgl, unity, .. something, i mean at playsign, for customer projects especially. that unity thing is also a product for a diff company in a partnership thing
2015-08-24 22:00 <antont> most other things are three.js but the guys have otoh made a game (proto) in unity too
2015-08-24 22:01 <antont> no unity realxtend client nor work on that on that side, apart from meshmoon unity export
2015-08-24 22:05 <dahlia> partnership the thing Stinkfist is working on?
2015-08-24 22:14 <antont> dahlia: no, an oculus gear vr thing for an irish ehealth startup actually
2015-08-24 22:16 <antont> in dev still, funded in a biz accel thing .. the irish partner does the biz side and we 'just' the design and tech etc, https://www.facebook.com/MindMyths
2015-08-24 22:32 <Ubit> 
ACTION kicks misterblue ... new MemoryStream((3 * sizeof(Int32)) ... 3 * really ?

2015-08-25 00:44 <nebadon> dahlia lkalif antont > http://projectrep.com/unity3d/test_005/
2015-08-25 00:52 <dahlia> nebadon: out of memory error
2015-08-25 00:52 <nebadon> yea sometimes better to start fresh browser for it
2015-08-25 00:54 <dahlia> works in chrome
2015-08-25 00:54 <dahlia> looking better
2015-08-25 00:56 <nebadon> yea
2015-08-25 00:56 <nebadon> no key movement yet
2015-08-25 02:23 <nebadon> dahlia > projectrep.com/unity3d/test_006
2015-08-25 02:24 <nebadon> have movement now sort of, not great but improving :)
2015-08-25 02:26 <nebadon> http://projectrep.com/unity3d/test_006
2015-08-25 02:26 <nebadon> clickable link :)
2015-08-25 02:30 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=89
2015-08-25 02:49 <dahlia> nebadon: seems pretty smooth. I wonder if they are using some of the webgl 2 features
2015-08-25 02:57 <nebadon> ya i was surprised how smooth it is
2015-08-25 02:58 <nebadon> its 1280x720
2015-08-25 02:58 <linkedinyou> hopefully opensim will be same soon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwJbCbigWeU
2015-08-25 03:00 <dahlia> linkedinyou: can't it do most of that now?
2015-08-25 03:01 <linkedinyou> dahlia: lighting is not the same
2015-08-25 03:01 <dahlia> viewer issue :P
2015-08-25 03:01 <linkedinyou> true
2015-08-25 03:01 <dahlia> lighting isnt all that bad on the high end either
2015-08-25 03:02 <linkedinyou> but still the viewer which is using the simulator
2015-08-25 03:02 <dahlia> especially with materials
2015-08-25 03:02 <dahlia> simulator doesnt control lighting
2015-08-25 03:02 <linkedinyou> i like the ctrlaltstudio lighting but still developing
2015-08-25 03:02 <dahlia> havent seen it
2015-08-25 03:03 <dahlia> I'm blind in one eye, I'm in no hurry for a rift
2015-08-25 03:03 <linkedinyou> i always seen him asking question to Philip Rosedale on there live channel he is doing his best i mean ctrlaltstudio
2015-08-25 03:03 <Plugh> diva: ping
2015-08-25 03:03 <dahlia> I think he does some work for them
2015-08-25 03:04 <linkedinyou> yes they always chatting that mean done alot of work for them
2015-08-25 03:04 <linkedinyou> but his viewer is good
2015-08-25 03:04 <dahlia> linkedinyou: anyway their lighting might be better but can they teleport to osgrid?
2015-08-25 03:04 <dahlia> or build in world?
2015-08-25 03:05 <diva> pong Plugh
2015-08-25 03:05 <dahlia> or run their own simulators?
2015-08-25 03:05 <linkedinyou> dahlia: teleporting is a system module that can be developed you know
2015-08-25 03:05 <dahlia> not on closed systems
2015-08-25 03:05 <linkedinyou> like ARK is still binary they can not develop it you right 
2015-08-25 03:06 <dahlia> 
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2015-08-25 03:06 <Plugh> diva, another WiFi question for you. Where is the template or text of the message sent for "forgot password"? It says message sent by "your_email@gmail.com" and I can't find that email address anywhere in the files. I even tried just looking for your_
2015-08-25 03:06 <diva> it's not customizable
2015-08-25 03:06 <linkedinyou> i had a business from a company that wanted to do changes in ARK and i stuck with the binary lol
2015-08-25 03:07 <Plugh> diva, how do I put in a real e-mail address instead of "your_email@gmail.com"?
2015-08-25 03:07 <dahlia> linkedinyou: the point is they can do things we cant do, and we can do things they cant do. Which is better is very subjective
2015-08-25 03:07 <Plugh> diva, I have put in valid info for the admin account and that account is receiving email from WiFI
2015-08-25 03:07 <diva> Plugh that seems like that user has their email setup as your_email@gmail.com
2015-08-25 03:07 <diva> is that the wifi admin? change it
2015-08-25 03:08 <Plugh> That's what I told them already but they seemed to think they didn't need to. I'll tell them again.
2015-08-25 03:08 <linkedinyou> dahlia: what good is there and we need it in opensim is the marketplace that easy things for regular users and the editor
2015-08-25 03:08 <Plugh> diva, the admin info isn't set that way in the wifi ini file.
2015-08-25 03:08 <dahlia> last I checked viewers had editors, and kitely seems to have a pretty good marketplace going
2015-08-25 03:08 <linkedinyou> they have a system called ARK Dev Kit that easy alot for users buuuuuuuuuuuuuut it is 43GB lol
2015-08-25 03:09 <linkedinyou> Kitely market is nice but still needed contributors
2015-08-25 03:10 <dahlia> its growing I'm sure
2015-08-25 03:10 <dahlia> in the meantime theres a bazillion hg destinations with free stuff
2015-08-25 03:11 <linkedinyou> it is still needed our effort and hard work .. ( bazillion what is that link please ) ?
2015-08-25 03:11 <dahlia> I have a bunch of guns and helecopters and buildings and tanks and all kinds of stuff in inventory that I got for free and I seldom, if ever use
2015-08-25 03:13 <Plugh> diva: The email address your_... isn't what I put in the AdminEmail entry in the Wifi.ini file. I'm looking for where it might be in the db. 
2015-08-25 03:13 <linkedinyou> when real marketplace with secure system that we can sell our items i have the whole secondlife alike inverntories in my system i can sell but we all know nothing still secure in opensim
2015-08-25 03:13 <Plugh> diva, I just got an "oh" from the user. I think they may have just found the wrong address. 
2015-08-25 03:13 <diva> Plugh login as wifi admin and pull up their user account
2015-08-25 03:13 <diva> you will see
2015-08-25 03:14 <linkedinyou> dahlia: do you know what Philip Rosedale last did is connected his marketplace in hifi with Unity3d store
2015-08-25 03:15 <linkedinyou> it is about stores 
2015-08-25 03:15 <dahlia> ya Philip seems to want to become the "Fed" of the metaverse
2015-08-25 03:15 <linkedinyou> and he was talking about UDK store 
2015-08-25 03:15 <linkedinyou> he wanted to exist in everywhere
2015-08-25 03:16 <dahlia> and also the "ICANN" of the metaverse
2015-08-25 03:16 <dahlia> actually I hope he's successful
2015-08-25 03:16 <dahlia> but I dont think he will get absolute control by any means
2015-08-25 03:16 <linkedinyou> with his last diagram workflow he is for me the ICANN now as he is doing domains for hg
2015-08-25 03:17 <dahlia> except I can hg without paying him :)
2015-08-25 03:17 <linkedinyou> by the way his diagram now my desktop background since months lol
2015-08-25 03:18 <dahlia> I like Philip, he's very bright and entertaining
2015-08-25 03:18 <Plugh> diva, I can't login as the admin user as I don't know the password. I finally got the user to login. I still prod them to actually check their account details and the email address. I think they finally woke up to the fact that it needs to be changed.
2015-08-25 03:19 <dahlia> SL has gone straight downhill since he left IMHO
2015-08-25 03:20 <linkedinyou> dahlia: i like Philip very much and i am a fan of him
2015-08-25 03:23 <Plugh> diva, Wifi is using someone with the first and last name given in the Wifi.ini to get the email address for use in the forgot password emails? If so, which table stores the information? The standard OpenSim UserAccounts table?
2015-08-25 03:26 <diva> I odn't understand your question, but all user information is in UserAccounts
2015-08-25 03:26 <Plugh> ok, Still can't find the bad email address that needs to be changed.
2015-08-25 03:33 <Plugh> diva, There are no user accounts in the UserAccounts table of OpenSim with an email address that starts with your_ yet the email for forgot password says it came from your_email@gmail.com
2015-08-25 03:33 <Plugh> Robust was restarted and still same thing. Wrong From address.
2015-08-25 03:34 <diva> Plugh Wifi is free, but my time isn't. I have about zero interest in solving people's problems with Wifi unless it's a demonstrated bug
2015-08-25 03:37 <Plugh> I have many things I'd rather be doing too. I don't know how to prove its a bug. All I know is I can't find the address in any user account. It isn't in the WiFi.ini file. I have no idea where the email message is picking up the bad from address. 
2015-08-25 03:38 <Plugh> I'll tell him he will have to live with it for now. I'll take another look at this later. I've wasted too much time with all the issues trying to get his machine set up again after moving servers.
2015-08-25 03:39 <diva> it sounds like his gmail setup in wifi is broken
2015-08-25 03:39 <diva> there's a sender email address
2015-08-25 03:39 <diva> if they didnt set it up properly then it's the wrong sender
2015-08-25 03:40 <Plugh> Its configured to use the local mail server.
2015-08-25 03:40 <smxy> In Wifi.ini the SmtpUsername is what determines who mail from Wifi is sent as, Plugh.
2015-08-25 03:41 <Plugh> smxy: oh. If that is documented somewhere I missed it. I thought those two settings were authentication info when using gmail to relay email.
2015-08-25 03:42 <smxy> The comment says: ;; Users will get email notifications from this account
2015-08-25 03:43 <Plugh> I'll try changing that once I get the email address the user wants to use.
2015-08-25 03:44 <smxy> I see 4 settings in that section for email. They seem to be sort of configured for gmail, as an example, but I don't think gmail is *required*.
2015-08-25 03:47 <Plugh> smxy: yea, I know. It looks very much like it allows setting info to access a gmail account. I put an email address in for the Smtp_Username and restarted Robust. I think that's fixed it. So the "username" part is a bit misleading.
2015-08-25 03:47 <Plugh> I hope this is the last issue the user has for a while. I just wasted another part of my evening fixing things on their server. :P
2015-08-25 03:48 <Plugh> diva, thanks for your earlier help.
2015-08-25 03:48 <smxy> Are they paying you?
2015-08-25 03:48 <Plugh> smxy: thanks for that information.
2015-08-25 03:49 <smxy> Plugh: are you paid for supporting them?
2015-08-25 03:50 <Plugh> smxy: I wish. I should charge him for all this work. Its someone I know from another grid we both used to be in before that one shut down. I'm someone he trusts to work on his machine. Most of the time I don't have to do anything. 
2015-08-25 03:50 <smxy> Yes, you should, but I doubt he'd pay, now, as he already owns the cow.
2015-08-25 03:51 <Plugh> This time it was work to move to a new server as he couldn't afford to keep the previous one. It was supposed to be a simple task. I didn't do the initial machine set up. This new one uses a vps system and that made some things a bit of a mess.
2015-08-25 03:52 <Plugh> smxy: I will bring it up. I don't mind helping him with small stuff that doesn't take much of my time. This server move has been a pain in my keester for the last 3 weeks. Our time zone differences does'nt help. He shows up near the end of my day when I want to go and do something else. 
2015-08-25 03:53 <Plugh> Most of the time I don't have to deal with his small grid at all, fortunately.
2015-08-25 10:21 <osmantis> Bug #7705:04 [PATCH] Changes to .ini.example files to improve instructions and workflow for standalone setups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7705 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-25 10:26 <osmantis> Bug #7705:04 [PATCH] Changes to .ini.example files to improve instructions and workflow for standalone setups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7705 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
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2015-08-25 10:41 <osmantis> Bug #7704:04 [UserProfiles] with SQLite causes AgentPreferencesService crash on OpenSim.exe exit after establishing a profile 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7704 ): has been UPDATED.
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2015-08-25 11:45 <Ubit> grrr can't mk my minf abount internal terrain storage type :)
2015-08-25 11:45 <Ubit> .. my mind ..
2015-08-25 11:46 <Ubit> current int is clear not a  option
2015-08-25 11:46 <Ubit> so either  float or ushort
2015-08-25 11:47 <Ubit> ushor allow for heights from 0 to 655.35m   that includes "legal" sl range
2015-08-25 11:47 <Ubit> even so.. may break funny terrains out there ???
2015-08-25 12:18 <misterblue> ubit: does it get small enough if you use ints and do a zip compression? Current implementation is an array of ints so runtime memory is not an issue. DB size is the only issue
2015-08-25 12:28 <Ubit> mister i  think ill go for floats
2015-08-25 12:29 <Ubit> even if ushort allows for legal terrain, i can't risk breaking existent one
2015-08-25 12:29 <Ubit> specially on comercial grids
2015-08-25 12:29 <Ubit> 8km  terrain is 282MB 
2015-08-25 12:29 <Ubit> but 2km is 16MB
2015-08-25 12:30 <Ubit> but ill push ushort.. its what i have now..
2015-08-25 12:30 <Ubit> ( avn push )
2015-08-25 12:31 <Ubit> nom if u go for 8km regions, u sure have a machine for it... ie 16GB in current machines
2015-08-25 12:39 <Ubit> err about yr question.. current ints makes no sense, they got there on a emergency code fix only
2015-08-25 12:40 <Ubit> they take same memory as floats with the conversion CPU costs
2015-08-25 12:41 <Ubit> gzip seems to work fine ( tested ushorts)
2015-08-25 12:41 <misterblue> floats are the right solution... it is fractional height
2015-08-25 12:41 <Ubit> well overkill .. but safer
2015-08-25 12:41 <Ubit> going do them next
2015-08-25 12:42 <Ubit> with gzip also..
2015-08-25 12:42 <Ubit> if works we can clean up things 
2015-08-25 12:42 <Ubit> btw   still keeping 2 terrain spaces
2015-08-25 12:43 <Ubit> one space is  loaded/stored/edited space
2015-08-25 12:43 <Ubit> the other is simulated terrain
2015-08-25 12:43 <Ubit> well those spaces arent very obvius there :)
2015-08-25 12:45 <Ubit> well damm this is a LL cleint dependency grrr
2015-08-25 12:45 <Ubit> ( has to do with loss terrain compression )
2015-08-25 12:45 <misterblue> all that code hair was to try and reduce runtime memory and stored blob size.... if runtime memory isn't a problem, most of that hair can go away and just be compression at blob load and store time
2015-08-25 12:45 <misterblue> that would make the code much simpler
2015-08-25 12:45 <Ubit> u thing 282MB is a issue on a 16GB box ?
2015-08-25 12:46 <Ubit> ( ie saving half od that.. )
2015-08-25 12:46 <Ubit> possible we can save some killing all those doubles 
2015-08-25 12:47 <misterblue> for 64 bit machines, there are many programs that get that big
2015-08-25 12:47 <misterblue> the legacy double version is a real loose
2015-08-25 12:47 <Ubit> well that thats for a 8km region... if u want  one that size u expect to need a nice machine..
2015-08-25 12:48 <Ubit> actuall 256MB lol
2015-08-25 12:49 <Ubit> a 2km  is 16MB....   1Km 4MB...  confortable numbers
2015-08-25 13:09 <H-H-H> hey guys can anyone briefly tell me what id0 is used for in the login process
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2015-08-25 15:52 <H-H-H> ok guess i will go digging then lol
2015-08-25 16:03 <Plugh> Morning, all.
2015-08-25 16:05 <paulie_Flomar> :)
2015-08-25 17:01 <notskittles> diva: we talked before about x-grid-location-info:// so i thought i'd drop a link to the provisional reference doc i just posted for it https://alchemy.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=28737538
2015-08-25 17:12 <H-H-H> anyone feel inclined to tell me what id0 is used for in the login procedure?
2015-08-25 17:14 <diva> thanks notskittles
2015-08-25 17:14 <notskittles> np
2015-08-25 17:32 <notskittles> H-H-H, on secondlife, id0 is used for hardware blocking. in opensim, it's used for the same thing by some third party modules.
2015-08-25 17:32 <H-H-H> ok thanks
2015-08-25 17:45 <notskittles> mac address can be changed arbitrarily using system tools. Hard disk serial number is a bit harder to fake, so they added that.
2015-08-25 17:47 <H-H-H> ahh interesting
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2015-08-25 19:59 <Ubit> xii fs fails to rez mesh objects also.. so odd
2015-08-25 19:59 <Ubit> it has them  but no rez... hmm LOD issue mb
2015-08-25 20:00 <Ubit> ( i see them in wireframe )
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2015-08-26 02:28 <HeadClot> Hey everyone
2015-08-26 02:38 <Ubit> everyone seems away..
2015-08-26 02:41 <HeadClot> Seems like it
2015-08-26 02:42 <Ubit> :)
2015-08-26 02:42 <HeadClot> Checking out Open sim thanks to High Fidelity and second life
2015-08-26 02:44 <HeadClot> Just curious are there any art guides for Opensim? If not I can put one together as soon as I learn the toolset and stuff
2015-08-26 02:48 <Ubit> check osgrid site
2015-08-26 02:48 <HeadClot> Will do Ubit
2015-08-26 03:12 <HeadClot> Hey cmdrcupcake
2015-08-26 03:42 <osmantis> Bug #7538:04 Bulletsim: If a cut prim or mesh surface is tilted very much in both x and y direction, most physics vehicles fall through it. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7538 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-08-26 03:46 <osmantis> Bug #7705:04 [PATCH] Changes to .ini.example files to improve instructions and workflow for standalone setups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7705 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-26 03:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #4306 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4304 1 day 23 hr ago)
2015-08-26 03:54 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-08-26 03:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4306: FIXED in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4306/
2015-08-26 03:54 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Revert "BulletSim: delay adding a scene presence to the list of presences"
2015-08-26 03:54 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Changes to .ini.example files to improve instructions and workflow for standalone setups
2015-08-26 03:54 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Fixed comment in ini related to previous patch
2015-08-26 04:12 <Ubit> what hell  fs and singu crashed on v03 to v03 varregions tp
2015-08-26 04:12 <Ubit> guess im missing something
2015-08-26 04:13 <Ubit> 2km region size to 512m  is suposed to work?
2015-08-26 04:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #4307 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2015-08-26 04:34 <AliciaRaven> Ubit, as far as i know the only problems with var teleports are when different size regions are within view distance, then its only a problem ocasionaly
2015-08-26 04:34 <Ubit> yeap i fired a opensim region.. testing
2015-08-26 04:35 <Ubit> well not doing well
2015-08-26 04:36 <Ubit> first time 2km -> 512m worked..  512 -> 2km also.. back 2k->512 and terrain is gone with fs
2015-08-26 04:36 <Ubit> and crashed
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2015-08-26 04:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4307: SUCCESS in 4 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4307/
2015-08-26 04:37 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Still about Ai's patch: it turns out OpenSim doesn't work well without an asset cache because of temporary assets. So setting the default asset cache to Cenome, which is the in-memory cache.
2015-08-26 04:42 <Ubit> singu seems working... opensim to opensim 2km-> 512
2015-08-26 04:44 <Ubit> fs.. minimap dirty
2015-08-26 04:44 <Ubit> fs.. minimap dirty and crash...  
2015-08-26 04:44 <Ubit> fs 4.7.3
2015-08-26 04:45 <AliciaRaven> yea i opened a bug report about the var region map issues with fs and they dont care, well they just applied the fix for mini map from sing as the licence change so they could take it now
2015-08-26 04:46 <AliciaRaven> fs have big problems with var region maps and the bug reports just sit there ignored
2015-08-26 04:46 <Ubit> minimap was first visible damaged.. it did crash as i moved
2015-08-26 04:46 <Ubit> sounds like memory curruption
2015-08-26 04:47 <Ubit> why do i keep using fs on testing code? :)
2015-08-26 04:47 <Ubit> a year ago lost weeks bc of fs loosing attachments.. i was changing server side code about them :)
2015-08-26 04:49 <AliciaRaven> i like fs for the ui but they just dont seem to care about opensim specific bugs
2015-08-26 04:50 <Ubit> yeap like me.. i do like its gui
2015-08-26 04:58 <AliciaRaven> the mini map bug was fixed a couple of days after the latest release the other day, the main map is still broken tho
2015-08-26 04:59 <AliciaRaven> havnt tested that fix, dont know where to get fs alphas
2015-08-26 05:03 <Ubit> oops i made my variable2d terrain format diferent from opensim
2015-08-26 05:04 <Ubit> not a good idea :)
2015-08-26 05:04 <AliciaRaven> what viewer are u working on?
2015-08-26 05:05 <Ubit> not viewer...  region code for avn
2015-08-26 05:05 <AliciaRaven> ah
2015-08-26 05:05 <Ubit_zzz> helping adding varregions.. well trying :)
2015-08-26 05:05 <Ubit_zzz> and terrain map tile upload kicks me from irc :)
2015-08-26 05:06 <AliciaRaven> watch out for the parcel data bug that happens if u enable the distance limit to sending parcel data
2015-08-26 05:06 <Ubit_zzz> hmm
2015-08-26 05:07 <AliciaRaven> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7597
2015-08-26 05:07 <AliciaRaven> start seeing parcel lines that dont exist, they disapear and flicker as you move round the sim aswell
2015-08-26 05:07 <Ubit_zzz> not sure i merged that limit
2015-08-26 05:08 <AliciaRaven> it was quite recent
2015-08-26 05:08 <AliciaRaven> end of may
2015-08-26 05:08 <Ubit_zzz> hmm fixing my terrain storage format aand ill try testing
2015-08-26 05:10 <Ubit_zzz> [REGION DB]: Storing terrain
2015-08-26 05:10 <Ubit_zzz> [HEIGHTMAP TERRAIN DATA]: V2D 16777224 bytes
2015-08-26 05:10 <Ubit_zzz>  outch :)
2015-08-26 05:10 <AliciaRaven> lol im having terrain problems aswell, not opensim tho
2015-08-26 05:16 <Ubit_zzz> hmm parcel.. lets see. what is a parcel.. how i make one.. hmmm ;)
2015-08-26 05:18 <AliciaRaven> wrap it in brown paper and give it to ups?
2015-08-26 05:18 <Ubit_zzz> :)
2015-08-26 05:19 <Ubit_zzz> well the view range on minimap on singu is broken
2015-08-26 05:19 <AliciaRaven> it is?
2015-08-26 05:20 <Ubit_zzz> yeap sitting on the lower left corner. == normal region place
2015-08-26 05:20 <AliciaRaven> what version?
2015-08-26 05:20 <Ubit_zzz> oops its the propriety lines
2015-08-26 05:21 <AliciaRaven> sing were supposed to have fixed that, not sure if the fix is in the release version tho
2015-08-26 05:21 <Ubit_zzz>  a white square 
2015-08-26 05:22 <Ubit_zzz> im not on alpha
2015-08-26 05:22 <AliciaRaven> i have 1.8.6 (6157) not sure if thats the latest, its still broke, the alpha works tho
2015-08-26 05:23 <Ubit_zzz> only odd white lines
2015-08-26 05:25 <AliciaRaven> before the fix u will see a white box around the 256m area and all the parcels squashed into that box, also the map texture is only the first 256 stretched across the full var
2015-08-26 05:25 <Ubit_zzz> i see that box.. no relation with parcels
2015-08-26 05:26 <AliciaRaven> yea that box is the standard size sim boundary, the other parcels will either be inside that scaled down as if that box was the full sim, or squashed against the bottom of the map
2015-08-26 05:27 <Ubit_zzz> hmm nopes
2015-08-26 05:28 <Ubit_zzz> but well i still didnt review the efects of var code on the patchs
2015-08-26 05:28 <Ubit_zzz> thing i seen that view option.. not sure i did merge it
2015-08-26 05:29 <AliciaRaven> might be missing some thing
2015-08-26 05:29 <AliciaRaven> well im going to get some sleep, gnight :)
2015-08-26 05:29 <Ubit_zzz> gn
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2015-08-26 14:37 <osmantis> Bug #7705:04 [PATCH] Changes to .ini.example files to improve instructions and workflow for standalone setups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7705 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-26 14:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #4308 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-08-26 14:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4308: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4308/
2015-08-26 14:44 <osjenkins> melanie: Restore FlotsamAssetCache as default and pre-enabled asset cache module
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2015-08-27 03:18 <dahlia> anyone know if there is an AO in Alchemy?
2015-08-27 03:18 <dahlia> and how to find it?
2015-08-27 04:22 <CakeDog> dahlia: It's on our todo list :p
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2015-08-27 09:10 <osmantis> Bug #7706:04 DestinationGuide Override in Simulator Not Operational 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7706 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2015-08-27 11:19 <osmantis> Bug #7706:04 DestinationGuide Override in Simulator Not Operational 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7706 ): has been UPDATED.
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2015-08-28 00:41 <dahlia> IW seems to be embracing open source lately https://github.com/InWorldz/phlox
2015-08-28 00:42 <AliciaRaven> dahlia, they also released their asset server code recently aswell
2015-08-28 00:42 <dahlia> ya Ive seen that
2015-08-28 00:43 <dahlia> asset server didnt really impress me that much tho
2015-08-28 00:44 <AliciaRaven> i didnt look at the code, was meaning to have a look at some point
2015-08-28 00:46 <Plugh> Any notes about phlox to say what might be better about it than what is currently in the OS code base?
2015-08-28 00:49 <dahlia> I thought I heard once that it does some sort of multitasking
2015-08-28 00:49 <dahlia> not sure how
2015-08-28 00:50 <Ubit> its a bytecode interpreter
2015-08-28 00:50 <Ubit> so easy to multitask
2015-08-28 00:51 <dahlia> oh its just the compiler
2015-08-28 00:51 <dahlia> I dont see the engine
2015-08-28 00:52 <Ubit> dont know if that git includes the interpreter...
2015-08-28 00:53 <Ubit>      static private void Shim_llPow(SyscallShim self) 
2015-08-28 00:53 <Ubit> 672         { 
2015-08-28 00:53 <Ubit> 673             float p1 = ConvToFloat(self._interpreter.ScriptState.Operands.Pop()); 
2015-08-28 00:53 <Ubit> 674             float p0 = ConvToFloat(self._interpreter.ScriptState.Operands.Pop()); 
2015-08-28 00:53 <Ubit> 675 
2015-08-28 00:53 <Ubit> 676             float ret = self._systemAPI.llPow(p0, p1); 
2015-08-28 00:53 <Ubit> 677 
2015-08-28 00:53 <Ubit> 678             self._interpreter.SafeOperandsPush(ConvToLSLType(ret)); 
2015-08-28 00:53 <Ubit> guess so :)
2015-08-28 00:53 <dahlia> see something that looks like it may be it now
2015-08-28 00:54 <Ubit> they told that in initial pub
2015-08-28 00:54 <Ubit> own bytecode and interpreter
2015-08-28 00:54 <Ubit> kinda dalvic for lsl :)
2015-08-28 00:55 <Ubit> ( its dalvic the droid thing? )
2015-08-28 00:55 <Ubit> ( ie its java.. )
2015-08-28 00:55 <dahlia> I heard android no longer uses dalvic
2015-08-28 00:55 <Ubit> ohh?
2015-08-28 00:55 <Ubit> it had nice features.. if they could mk aa jit for it
2015-08-28 00:56 <dahlia> maybe they wrote their own
2015-08-28 00:56 <Ubit> java with  operands type suport
2015-08-28 00:56 <dahlia> maybe they paid off oracle
2015-08-28 00:56 <Ubit> ie  information about a thing being a float or int
2015-08-28 00:56 <Ubit> java like cli have to "guess" by context
2015-08-28 00:57 <Ubit> well so i read ages ago :)
2015-08-28 00:58 <dahlia> cant remember if simple types are boxed in java or not
2015-08-28 00:59 <Ubit> errr opensim floodEffects don't need pholox pasted on them... grrr :)
2015-08-28 00:59 <dahlia> floodeffects?
2015-08-28 01:00 <Ubit> i paste that thing above also on a avn source :)
2015-08-28 01:00 <Ubit> im changing terrain edit a bit
2015-08-28 01:00 <Ubit> regions can be large now...  uff
2015-08-28 01:08 <Ubit> and fs keeps failing to rez attachments ?
2015-08-28 01:19 <Ubit> hmm in sl terrain o parcel edge belong to who  on terrain raise etc?
2015-08-28 01:19 <Ubit> errrr
2015-08-28 01:20 <Ubit> hmm in sl terrain a parcel edge belongs to who  on terrain raise etc?
2015-08-28 01:20 <Ubit> long time since i terraformed there
2015-08-28 01:21 <dahlia> edges let terrain changes encroach on neighboring parcels
2015-08-28 01:22 <Ubit> all sides?
2015-08-28 01:22 <dahlia> I had a low parcel, neighbor raised his and it made a big ramp between us which took up a lot of my land
2015-08-28 01:22 <Ubit> yeap thats the issue
2015-08-28 01:22 <dahlia> nothing I could do about it
2015-08-28 01:22 <dahlia> GRRRR
2015-08-28 01:22 <Ubit> but if u don't do that,  the points on edge can't be edited
2015-08-28 01:22 <Melanie_T> parcel borders go in 4m steps
2015-08-28 01:22 <Melanie_T> the terrain goes in 1m steps
2015-08-28 01:23 <Melanie_T> but it allows nearly 4 meters into neighboring parcels to smooth the terrain with some grishes
2015-08-28 01:23 <dahlia> ya mainland limited to +- 4 meters I think
2015-08-28 01:23 <Melanie_T> brushes*
2015-08-28 01:23 <Ubit> yeap mel..  but not that.. is what dahlia sayed
2015-08-28 01:23 <dahlia> theres also DCT error
2015-08-28 01:23 <dahlia> you dont get full resolution with the DCT compression
2015-08-28 01:23 <Ubit> im checking  limits on the terrain edition
2015-08-28 01:24 <Melanie_T> i wasn't talking about raise/lower limits
2015-08-28 01:24 <Melanie_T> but the changing of points at or near the border
2015-08-28 01:24 <Melanie_T> and sl still tries to make the terrain slope smoothly
2015-08-28 01:24 <dahlia> anyway that ramp encroached more than 1 meter into my parcel
2015-08-28 01:24 <dahlia> more like 2
2015-08-28 01:24 <Melanie_T> so you WILL be able to terraform into your neighbor's parcel
2015-08-28 01:25 <Melanie_T> it can be even more than that, up to 4
2015-08-28 01:25 <Melanie_T> not on mainland
2015-08-28 01:25 <Melanie_T> but on private regions where your parcel can be 100m high and the neighbor be at 20
2015-08-28 01:25 <Melanie_T> there it's a good 4 m
2015-08-28 01:25 <Ubit> DCT will make 2m or more change also a bit
2015-08-28 01:26 <Ubit> well i do remember the wars bc of that now :)
2015-08-28 01:28 <Ubit> yeak this nasty..  if neighbors cant reach a agreament
2015-08-28 01:33 <LaniGlobal> Greetings!
2015-08-28 01:33 <dahlia> sup
2015-08-28 01:33 <LaniGlobal> Has anyone else seen the following bug, we have repro in OSgrid. 
2015-08-28 01:33 <LaniGlobal> hi dahlia
2015-08-28 01:34 <dahlia> hi
2015-08-28 01:34 <LaniGlobal> Make a shirt in your viewer. Wear it. Then change its permissions. From there on out, it is missing asset.
2015-08-28 01:34 <LaniGlobal> however, if you don't change the permissions in the viewer it is ok
2015-08-28 01:35 <dahlia> not sure Ive ever tried
2015-08-28 01:35 <LaniGlobal> if you put the shirt in a rezzed prim, then change the permissions, it is fine.
2015-08-28 01:35 <dahlia> what if you do it on a plaza?
2015-08-28 01:35 <LaniGlobal> sandbox plaza repro 
2015-08-28 01:35 <LaniGlobal> repro by multiple avis
2015-08-28 01:36 <LaniGlobal> repro in my sims and also in grid sims
2015-08-28 01:36 <LaniGlobal> very repeatable
2015-08-28 01:36 <LaniGlobal> i've only tried it with a "Shirt" so far
2015-08-28 01:37 <dahlia> I didnt think it would get a new asset if you change permissions
2015-08-28 01:37 <LaniGlobal> at some point i will try it with other "body parts", but i've noticed it with "eyes" before
2015-08-28 01:37 <dahlia> so the asset should be there
2015-08-28 01:37 <dahlia> but I dont really understand inventory and permissions
2015-08-28 01:37 <nebadon> maybe some kind of serialization issue or a flag not right
2015-08-28 01:37 <LaniGlobal> i will do some other experiments with this
2015-08-28 01:38 <dahlia> any viewer?
2015-08-28 01:38 <LaniGlobal> i suspect it happens with various body parts
2015-08-28 01:38 <LaniGlobal> i'm using singularity
2015-08-28 01:38 <LaniGlobal> the other avi was also using singularity
2015-08-28 01:38 <Ubit> or just move home to a nude beach.. no shirt needed :P
2015-08-28 01:38 <LaniGlobal> hi Ubit!
2015-08-28 01:38 <LaniGlobal> well, it also affects other "body parts".
2015-08-28 01:39 <Ubit> yeackk arrakis.. better not :)
2015-08-28 01:39 <dahlia> Im sure Ubit will let you use his beach
2015-08-28 01:39 <Ubit> hi LaniGlobal
2015-08-28 01:39 <Ubit> :)
2015-08-28 01:39 <LaniGlobal> i had seen this when i made "eyes" last year
2015-08-28 01:39 <LaniGlobal> that was prior to the osgrid asset thng
2015-08-28 01:40 <LaniGlobal> and i just got around to making some more avatar stuff recently and ran into it again
2015-08-28 01:40 <LaniGlobal> the odd thing is, that when the body part is in the contents of a prim, the change of permissions doesn't cause the same behaviour
2015-08-28 01:40 <LiruCookies> Barkbark!
2015-08-28 01:41 <dahlia> 
ACTION blames singularity...

2015-08-28 01:41 <LaniGlobal> i wonder what other viewer i should try
2015-08-28 01:41 <dahlia> oh Hi LiruCookies! 
2015-08-28 01:41 <dahlia> 
ACTION blames Ubit...

2015-08-28 01:42 <LiruCookies> There's no reason Singularity should do something like that... if you're changing permissions, all we're changing is permissions...
2015-08-28 01:42 <LaniGlobal> firestorm is so problematic with opensim inventory, that i don't look forward to trying it again
2015-08-28 01:42 <LiruCookies> We shouldn't change the asset
2015-08-28 01:43 <dahlia> maybe the reference gets munged
2015-08-28 01:43 <LaniGlobal> i suspect that this bug may have been around for quite a while.
2015-08-28 01:43 <LaniGlobal> since i first saw it in early 2014
2015-08-28 01:43 <dahlia> if it has Id think mantis would have a few hundred duplicate entries on it
2015-08-28 01:44 <LaniGlobal> it tends to be a 'hidden' sort of bug
2015-08-28 01:44 <LaniGlobal> when you first make the body part, it appears to be normal
2015-08-28 01:44 <LaniGlobal> creator sees it normally
2015-08-28 01:44 <LaniGlobal> and can give it normally
2015-08-28 01:44 <dahlia> ya but lots of people make stuff to sell or give
2015-08-28 01:45 <dahlia> so they will change permissions
2015-08-28 01:45 <LaniGlobal> even after it is in inventory it is fine
2015-08-28 01:45 <LaniGlobal> and appears ok when put into contents of a prim
2015-08-28 01:46 <dahlia> are you wearing it when you change permissions?
2015-08-28 01:46 <LaniGlobal> but when another avi gets it out of that box, it is fail, with "missing asset" error
2015-08-28 01:46 <LaniGlobal> i've tried it either worn while changing perms... or not worn while changing perms... the behaviour is the same
2015-08-28 01:47 <LaniGlobal> change of perms to body part via viewer causes later asset fail
2015-08-28 01:47 <dahlia> I have a linda kelly mall sim on my grid that has a lot of stuff with missing assets
2015-08-28 01:47 <LaniGlobal> yes, this is the kind of bug that only a creator who makes avi body stuff would run into
2015-08-28 01:47 <dahlia> and I have redundant asset storage so I know my asset systems work
2015-08-28 01:48 <dahlia> ya its like dresses
2015-08-28 01:48 <dahlia> body parts
2015-08-28 01:48 <dahlia> rest ok
2015-08-28 01:48 <LaniGlobal> and it was initially something that i didn't notice with my products
2015-08-28 01:48 <LaniGlobal> the products seemed to be fine to me
2015-08-28 01:48 <LaniGlobal> but they were missing when tried to be worn by another avi
2015-08-28 01:48 <dahlia> I would suggest doing a mantis search tho
2015-08-28 01:49 <LaniGlobal> and that led me to track down exactly what and where
2015-08-28 01:53 <LaniGlobal> i've done a mantis search on this.
2015-08-28 01:53 <LaniGlobal> there are a number of mantis reports that seem to indicate similar symptoms of clothing/bodypart fails, but no details
2015-08-28 01:54 <LaniGlobal> i guess, the next place to try this is in another grid
2015-08-28 01:55 <LaniGlobal> i'm only testing in OSgrid right now
2015-08-28 01:56 <LaniGlobal> i'm at a loss what viewer to try other than singularity. so many of the other viewers are based on it
2015-08-28 01:56 <LaniGlobal> since this is an asset problem, the use of firestorm to test it, seems somewhat futile
2015-08-28 01:57 <LaniGlobal> but, perhaps firestorm may have different behaviour when setting permissions
2015-08-28 01:57 <LaniGlobal> the question is... should i write a mantis report about it at this point?
2015-08-28 02:00 <Melanie_T> 
ACTION blames dahlia 

2015-08-28 02:01 <Ubit> 
ACTION blames dahlia

2015-08-28 02:01 <Ubit> :)
2015-08-28 02:01 <LaniGlobal> 
ACTION blames IBM.

2015-08-28 02:02 <Melanie_T> he issue here seems to be that the asset id is inadvertently changed when the inventory item is written back to save the permission changes
2015-08-28 02:02 <Ubit> 
ACTION blames HAL... and dahlia

2015-08-28 02:02 <Melanie_T> inventory records can't be updated field by field, but only by reading the entire record and then rewriting it
2015-08-28 02:03 <Melanie_T> that code has no business changing either of the ids but ut appears that is what happens
2015-08-28 02:03 <LaniGlobal> so, the old asset id is gone after rewriting? or just a second one made, and no pointer to it?
2015-08-28 02:03 <Melanie_T> does that happen only on clothing, or also on textures?
2015-08-28 02:04 <LaniGlobal> it doesn't happen with textures.
2015-08-28 02:04 <Melanie_T> LaniGlobal: No. the pointer is changed to something else (not a valid asset). The old asset is still there but now unreferenced
2015-08-28 02:04 <LaniGlobal> i've verified no problem with textures
2015-08-28 02:04 <Melanie_T> that is sort of strange
2015-08-28 02:04 <Melanie_T> but here is what you can do
2015-08-28 02:04 <Melanie_T> create an item of clothing
2015-08-28 02:05 <Melanie_T> then, retrieve it's asset ID (you can use wingridproxy for this, or a modified viewer, if you don't own the asset server)
2015-08-28 02:05 <Melanie_T> change the permission
2015-08-28 02:05 <Melanie_T> then, retrieve it's asset id again
2015-08-28 02:05 <Melanie_T> i bet it will be changed
2015-08-28 02:05 <Melanie_T> then, for anoher go
2015-08-28 02:05 <Melanie_T> clear your cache
2015-08-28 02:05 <Melanie_T> relog
2015-08-28 02:05 <Melanie_T> recheck the asset id
2015-08-28 02:06 <Melanie_T> see if it changes back to the original one
2015-08-28 02:06 <Melanie_T> or stays the same as the one after the change of perms
2015-08-28 02:06 <Melanie_T> this will allow us to narrow it down to a very small portion of code
2015-08-28 02:06 <Melanie_T> depending on which behavior you observe, this would then be an easy fix
2015-08-28 02:07 <Melanie_T> the last step is to see if the sim sends the viewer one id and send sanother to the server
2015-08-28 02:07 <Melanie_T> which _is_ possible, although unlikely
2015-08-28 02:07 <LaniGlobal> ok, Melanie_T ... i am taking notes on this... will test that and try to follow up to eliminate some of those variables.
2015-08-28 02:08 <Melanie_T> thanks
2015-08-28 02:17 <Melanie_T> 
ACTION still blames dahlia 

2015-08-28 02:36 <LaniGlobal> The fingers of blame. http://www.n2growth.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Blame.jpg
2015-08-28 02:38 <LaniGlobal> 
ACTION especially likes this blame meme https://davidpalethorpe.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/blame-2.jpg

2015-08-28 02:42 <Ubit> 
ACTION blames HAL, LaniGlobal ... .... and dahlia

2015-08-28 03:08 <LiruCookies> 234567890
2015-08-28 03:10 <dahlia> 
ACTION hides

2015-08-28 03:13 <Ubit> 
ACTION takes the carpet where dahlia was hidding and points... "here here..."

2015-08-28 03:13 <dahlia> 
ACTION runs...

2015-08-28 03:15 <Ubit> 
ACTION sits watching dahlia running on the training machine

2015-08-28 03:16 <dahlia> 
ACTION gets healthy running on the treadmill while watching Ubit laying on the couch eating potatoe chips

2015-08-28 03:16 <Ubit> :)
2015-08-28 03:17 <Ubit> damm i run out of potatoe chips
2015-08-28 03:20 <Ubit> damm why do viewers draw that ugly light blue flicking thing in place of terrain ?
2015-08-28 20:42 <virtouse> Hi guys, can someone please explain me what's the issue with osAvatarName2Key that this is restricted to ${XEngine|osslParcelO}ESTATE_MANAGER,ESTATE_OWNER
2015-08-28 20:42 <virtouse> And I am asking the devs here on purpose
2015-08-28 20:42 <diva> you can change it if you want
2015-08-28 20:42 <virtouse> Because Kitely adopted this and disallows the usage now for everyone 
2015-08-28 20:42 <virtouse> I can't change anything
2015-08-28 20:42 <virtouse> because this is not my grid
2015-08-28 20:43 <diva> then your question doesn't belong here. Ask your grid operator
2015-08-28 20:43 <virtouse> I am asking you why YOU PUT THIS RESTRICTION IN 
2015-08-28 20:43 <virtouse> that's a question on the devs
2015-08-28 20:43 <virtouse> and obviously you're one of them
2015-08-28 20:44 <virtouse> All I am asking for is an explanation
2015-08-28 20:44 <virtouse> since the threat level hasn't changed in the 6 years, where the function exists
2015-08-28 20:46 <nebadon> I think its because you could craft scripts that would put extra load on the back end servers
2015-08-28 20:47 <virtouse> lol
2015-08-28 21:01 <Melanie_T> virtouse: osAvatarNameToKey isn't handled locally. It is a ROBUST server round trip, a mandatory one.
2015-08-28 21:01 <virtouse> Melanie_T: I know that
2015-08-28 21:01 <Melanie_T> Also, the user service is optimized for lookup by UUID, looking up by name, which is two fields, is a little more expensive yet.
2015-08-28 21:02 <virtouse> Melanie_T: You do not have a 2 field index on the names?
2015-08-28 21:02 <Melanie_T> so, 1 prim, 255 scripts in it, each doing osAvatarNameToKey, in a fast timer event
2015-08-28 21:02 <Melanie_T> and you can be certain no one could log in anymore
2015-08-28 21:05 <virtouse> Well, at least a proper explanation. However this is a big issue for me I have to say, because that will force me to remove a useful feature in my vendor &  rental box systems
2015-08-28 21:05 <Melanie_T> the decision which amount of risk they are willing to allow ultimately lies with the grid owner
2015-08-28 21:06 <Melanie_T> if they had the function available before and have now blocked it, the most likely reason is that there has been an abuse case
2015-08-28 21:06 <virtouse> Well yeah and their ignorance
2015-08-28 21:06 <Melanie_T> but do tell, what useful functionality requires this function, that you now have to remove?
2015-08-28 21:06 <virtouse> or the explanation is as follows: "Regardless of Kitely'sl assessment of how dangerous these functions are, the function threat level changes were made in the OpenSim 0.8.2 development branch and aren't likely to be changed by grid owners once they upgrade to OpenSim 0.8.2."
2015-08-28 21:07 <virtouse> Well imagine you have a vendor
2015-08-28 21:07 <virtouse> and you would like to buy a gift for your friend
2015-08-28 21:07 <Melanie_T> so you'd name the firend
2015-08-28 21:07 <virtouse> exactly
2015-08-28 21:07 <Melanie_T> but the vendor needs a uuid to deliver it
2015-08-28 21:07 <virtouse> yes
2015-08-28 21:07 <virtouse> For us as developers that's not a big deal to get the UUID
2015-08-28 21:08 <virtouse> most viewers show it
2015-08-28 21:08 <virtouse> however, there are enough people for whom this is a problem
2015-08-28 21:08 <virtouse> I wouldn't mind having a function returning the result via the dataserver
2015-08-28 21:08 <virtouse> event
2015-08-28 21:09 <virtouse> so it can be delayed
2015-08-28 21:09 <virtouse> or making it sleep for 5 seconds like in IW
2015-08-28 21:10 <Melanie_T> i don't think delay is the answer here
2015-08-28 21:10 <Melanie_T> the best way to handle this is throttling
2015-08-28 21:10 <Melanie_T> and a cache
2015-08-28 21:11 <virtouse> yeah, well with the cache that would only work for existing names
2015-08-28 21:11 <Melanie_T> if a script is badly behaved, like retrieving data for the same name several times rather than passing it in linked messages, a cache would make that a zero impac operation
2015-08-28 21:11 <virtouse> you can have a positive cache, but not for non existing names, because they can be valid after some time
2015-08-28 21:11 <Melanie_T> and a script using different names each time would need to be throttled
2015-08-28 21:12 <Melanie_T> e.g. allow 2 queries within 30 seconds
2015-08-28 21:12 <Melanie_T> or similar
2015-08-28 21:12 <Melanie_T> possibly even more effective to have a throttle per object and a regionwide one
2015-08-28 21:12 <Melanie_T> or even per object owner
2015-08-28 21:12 <Melanie_T> like SL handles http
2015-08-28 21:12 <virtouse> yes
2015-08-28 21:12 <Melanie_T> and you can cache negative
2015-08-28 21:12 <Melanie_T> DNS also does it
2015-08-28 21:13 <Melanie_T> negative cache entries simply need a generic TTL
2015-08-28 21:13 <virtouse> that ofc would be another way of doing it
2015-08-28 22:08 <gamucf> In the PhysX work, we can make the choice of OpenGL or D3D, or support both when it comes to running PhysX on the GPU.  Any feedback from the dev group on this issue?  OpenGL is the priority I'm guessing?
2015-08-28 22:08 <nebadon> opengl is the only truly cross platform option
2015-08-28 22:08 <nebadon> directx is a closed window :P
2015-08-29 05:11 <Ubit> anyone remember circuntances where a stard region next to a var one crashs viewers?
2015-08-29 05:11 <Ubit> well i do see FS  putting garbage on mini-map,  but does that on tps also
2015-08-29 05:17 <dahlia> Ubit: not recent.y but I dont use fs
2015-08-29 05:24 <Ubit> and seen regions like that?  a small next to a large?
2015-08-29 05:24 <Ubit> well im even doing crossings btw both
2015-08-29 05:27 <Ubit> OUTCH a non phantom trre
2015-08-29 05:27 <dahlia> standard next to var? ya I have one
2015-08-29 05:27 <dahlia> works fine
2015-08-29 05:27 <dahlia> ask misterblue
2015-08-29 05:27 <Ubit> seen somewhere they don't..  seems +- ok to me 2
2015-08-29 05:28 <Ubit> test at west  now east
2015-08-29 05:28 <dahlia> I vaguely remember viewes needed a fix for it
2015-08-29 05:28 <dahlia> *viewers
2015-08-29 05:28 <Ubit> possible its done already
2015-08-29 05:28 <dahlia> both server and viewer
2015-08-29 05:29 <Ubit> last fs, singu and alch look ok
2015-08-29 05:29 <dahlia> ask misterblue
2015-08-29 05:29 <Ubit> a odd gitch with fs and singu
2015-08-29 05:29 <dahlia> I think he fixed it
2015-08-29 05:29 <Ubit> the point at 255,255  on the standard, placed west is broke
2015-08-29 05:30 <Ubit> fixed in position  some 3 or 3m
2015-08-29 05:30 <Ubit> i rez a physcical prim and the hole is not there
2015-08-29 05:30 <Ubit> alch sees fine.. odd
2015-08-29 05:31 <Ubit> all other similar regions, terrain is fine
2015-08-29 05:31 <Ubit> hmm let me check now its at east
2015-08-29 05:32 <Ubit> its fine odd
2015-08-29 05:35 <Ubit> ohh a region that didn't register bc of overlap with a exitent one even so uploaded map on the wrong place...
2015-08-29 05:35 <Ubit> grrr need to fix that 
2015-08-29 05:36 <Ubit> well the next map upload of the other fixed it it seems
2015-08-29 05:38 <Ubit> well opensim server i don't know.. i did change several things already
2015-08-29 05:39 <Ubit> testing on a little grid with grid and servers on avn code
2015-08-29 05:39 <dahlia> I have no clue about avn code
2015-08-29 05:39 <Ubit> (to do the grid part )
2015-08-29 05:39 <Ubit> well its the opensim merged and changed now by me :)
2015-08-29 05:39 <dahlia> 
ACTION is not privy to avn code

2015-08-29 05:40 <Ubit> wana see my new bugs ? :p
2015-08-29 05:40 <dahlia> nope
2015-08-29 05:40 <Ubit> hmmm never mind... my bandwith is baddd
2015-08-29 05:41 <Ubit> yeap ill not show them to you after all :P
2015-08-29 05:46 <Ubit> hmm my pc will not be very happy if i put more standard regions up, next to the var :)
2015-08-29 14:17 <osmantis> Bug #7672:04 Importing a xlm shape fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7672 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-29 14:17 <osmantis> Bug #7709:04 Reffers to closed bug (unable to reopen) (0029003) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7709 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-29 16:27 <osmantis> Bug #7710:04 [PATCH] AllowedClients and DeniedClients configuration examples corrected and clarified 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7710 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-29 16:28 <osmantis> Bug #7710:04 [PATCH] AllowedClients and DeniedClients configuration examples corrected and clarified 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7710 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-08-29 16:28 <osmantis> Bug #7710:04 [PATCH] AllowedClients and DeniedClients configuration examples corrected and clarified 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7710 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-08-29 16:29 <osmantis> Bug #7709:04 Refers to closed bug (unable to reopen) (0029003) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7709 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-08-29 16:36 <osmantis> Bug #7710:04 [PATCH] AllowedClients and DeniedClients configuration examples corrected and clarified 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7710 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-08-29 19:27 <osmantis> Bug #7711:04 Login Failed. The inventory Service is not responding. Please notify your login region operator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7711 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-08-29 19:36 <osmantis> Bug #7711:04 Login Failed. The inventory Service is not responding. Please notify your login region operator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7711 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-29 19:39 <osmantis> Bug #7711:04 Login Failed. The inventory Service is not responding. Please notify your login region operator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7711 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-29 20:10 <osmantis> Bug #7711:04 Login Failed. The inventory Service is not responding. Please notify your login region operator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7711 ): has been CLOSED
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2015-08-29 20:14 <osmantis> Bug #7369:04 redundant llStopMoveToTarget() calls generate unnecessary traffic 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7369 ): The issue 0007711 has been set as DUPLICATE OF the following issue.
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2015-08-29 20:14 <osmantis> Bug #7369:04 redundant llStopMoveToTarget() calls generate unnecessary traffic 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7369 ): The issue 0007711 has been removed as a DUPLICATE OF the following issue.
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2015-08-29 20:14 <osmantis> Bug #7693:04 i can't log in on Osgrid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7693 ): The issue 0007711 has been set as DUPLICATE OF the following issue.
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2015-08-29 23:58 <osmantis> Bug #7647:04 Sim instance starts using about 1GB memory more per hour until PC runs out of memory and crashes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7647 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-30 00:07 <osmantis> Bug #7522:04 Vehicles hitting sim border causes sim and/or the vehicle to become unusable even if vehicle is taken into inventory & re-rezed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7522 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-08-30 06:48 <Gothicdude1044> Is this good for troubleshooting connection issues provided by neigbour services connector?
2015-08-30 17:12 <osmantis> Bug #7712:04 Textures won't load and often cause me to crash out of opensim altogether. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7712 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2015-08-30 18:08 <osmantis> Bug #7713:04 NumberOfFrames != 10 crashes simulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7713 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-08-30 18:12 <osmantis> Bug #7706:04 DestinationGuide Override in Simulator Not Operational 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7706 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-30 18:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #4309 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-08-30 18:19 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7713: fixed bug introduced by 1st MOSES patch.
2015-08-30 23:37 <diva> misterblue what is the POSPlugin?
2015-08-30 23:38 <nebadon> Physics of Simplicity
2015-08-30 23:39 <diva> what is that?
2015-08-30 23:39 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/PhysicsEngines#POS_Plugin
2015-08-30 23:40 <nebadon> its a very basic collision physics engine
2015-08-30 23:40 <nebadon> everything is represented as a solid cube though
2015-08-30 23:41 <diva> BasicPhysics doesn't have collisions?
2015-08-30 23:41 <nebadon> terrain only
2015-08-30 23:41 <nebadon> i think
2015-08-30 23:42 <diva> really? We sould have used that one for OSCC...
2015-08-30 23:42 <nebadon> physics really wasnt a problem
2015-08-30 23:43 <nebadon> since we can run bulletsim in its own thread
2015-08-30 23:43 <Melanie_> well, it wasn't a problem because we made them all sti down
2015-08-30 23:43 <diva> Physics consumes a lot of CPU cycles when peopple roam around
2015-08-30 23:43 <Melanie_> sit*
2015-08-30 23:43 <nebadon> yes but you have to design around only terrain collisions
2015-08-30 23:43 <diva> but BasicPhysis doesn't detect avatar-prims collisions at all?
2015-08-30 23:43 <diva> that would be a problem for the floor
2015-08-30 23:44 <Melanie_> POS != BasicPhysics
2015-08-30 23:44 <nebadon> I cant remember I never found any of them very useful
2015-08-30 23:44 <nebadon> i think basic is terrain only
2015-08-30 23:44 <nebadon> pos is everything is a cube
2015-08-30 23:44 <nebadon> no hollow no cutout
2015-08-30 23:45 <nebadon> Piece of S@!$ physics
2015-08-30 23:45 <nebadon> lol
2015-08-30 23:45 <diva> ok, good to know. may come handy for conferences and stuff like that
2015-08-30 23:46 <diva> we don't really need sophisticated physics for conference-like events
2015-08-30 23:46 <nebadon> ya really depends on how complex you need the environment to be
2015-08-30 23:46 <nebadon> if its all flat then might work
2015-08-30 23:46 <nebadon> cant really have walls
2015-08-30 23:46 <nebadon> well POS i guess you can
2015-08-30 23:46 <diva> ok
2015-08-30 23:47 <nebadon> really you could just build a sim the same way
2015-08-30 23:47 <nebadon> and use bullet and get same results
2015-08-30 23:47 <diva> anyway, I'm looking into physics API and what it takes to make them all region modules. I never looked at this corner of opensim
2015-08-30 23:47 <Melanie_> it's actually very easy
2015-08-30 23:47 <nebadon> everythign flat just make as much as you can phantom
2015-08-30 23:47 <Melanie_> one, make PhysicsManager a base class of every physics module
2015-08-30 23:47 <nebadon> I find the more objects that collide with a single object
2015-08-30 23:47 <nebadon> the slower it gets
2015-08-30 23:48 <Melanie_> two build a region module shell around it
2015-08-30 23:48 <Melanie_> three, register the already existing physics interface with scene
2015-08-30 23:48 <Melanie_> four, use it that way
2015-08-30 23:49 <Melanie_> so just like you have Scene.AssetService
2015-08-30 23:49 <Melanie_> you'd have Scene.PhysicsModule
2015-08-30 23:49 <Melanie_> being an IPhysicsModule
2015-08-30 23:49 <Melanie_> registered by a region module that encapses a physics module
2015-08-30 23:49 <Melanie_> like bullet
2015-08-30 23:49 <diva> Melanie_ I was looking into doing that, and likely it's the way to go, but the thoguht crossed my mind of making the PhysicsScene itself the region module. That would be cleaner in many respects (that's what physics scene really wants to be), but will require a bit more plumbing
2015-08-30 23:50 <Melanie_> the physics scene is what is contained in each physics module
2015-08-30 23:50 <Melanie_> it has to be that way because it is different for each
2015-08-30 23:50 <Melanie_> so it will wind up in the modules anyway
2015-08-30 23:50 <Melanie_> or what do you call the physics scene?
2015-08-30 23:51 <diva> PhysicsScene classes
2015-08-30 23:51 <diva> all these plugins have one
2015-08-30 23:51 <Melanie_> yes
2015-08-30 23:52 <Melanie_> those will have to wind up in the modules
2015-08-30 23:52 <diva> and that's really what they want to be -- region modules. But I know what you're saying, and it's much faster to do it like what you're saying
2015-08-30 23:52 <Melanie_> that was a given for me
2015-08-30 23:52 <diva> no, I mean I was looking into making PhyscisScene(s0 region modules directly
2015-08-30 23:52 <diva> no, I mean I was looking into making PhyscisScene(s) region modules directly
2015-08-30 23:52 <diva> rather than making the plugins be region modules
2015-08-30 23:53 <Melanie_> erm
2015-08-30 23:53 <Melanie_> currently the scene interacts with physics manager
2015-08-30 23:53 <diva> I know
2015-08-30 23:53 <Melanie_> the physics scene is part of that
2015-08-30 23:53 <Melanie_> so what i'm saying is, to avoid code duplication
2015-08-30 23:53 <Melanie_> make PhysicsManager become a base class to every hysics module, rather thana plugin
2015-08-30 23:54 <Melanie_> and place PhysicsManager and the PhysicsScene in a dll
2015-08-30 23:54 <Melanie_> which each region module providing physics will ref
2015-08-30 23:54 <Melanie_> you don't want to have that code suplicated in all physics region modules after all
2015-08-30 23:54 <Melanie_> duplicated*
2015-08-30 23:54 <Melanie_> so
2015-08-30 23:54 <Melanie_> Region
2015-08-30 23:54 <Melanie_> | - Region Module
2015-08-30 23:55 <diva> but you're saying that BasicPhysicsPlugin, POSPlugin, OdePlugin, BulletPLugin are the region modules, yes?
2015-08-30 23:55 <Melanie_> | | -Physics implementation
2015-08-30 23:55 <Melanie_> | | |- Physics Scene
2015-08-30 23:56 <Melanie_> in my design, PhysicsManager becomes a base class that has overridable basic methods, like it does now. It will also have the regular PhysicsScene. That goes in a regular separate dll that is NOT part of the simulator as such
2015-08-30 23:56 <Melanie_> each of the now physics plugins becomes a region module in it's own right
2015-08-30 23:57 <Melanie_> so you'd have an ODEPhysicsModule, which implements INonSharedRegiionModule and inherits PhysicsManager from that external DLL
2015-08-30 23:57 <Melanie_> it would register an IPhysicsModule with Scene, and that is the only contact point with scene
2015-08-30 23:58 <Melanie_> apart from the regio module loading stuff
2015-08-30 23:58 <diva> k
2015-08-30 23:58 <Melanie_> so all code that is common or nealy common between the physics stuff is in that separate dll
2015-08-30 23:58 <Melanie_> to reduce code duplication
2015-08-30 23:58 <Melanie_> but no new physics module would be required to inherit it
2015-08-30 23:58 <Melanie_> as long as it contains all that is needed to implement IPhysicsModule
2015-08-30 23:59 <Melanie_> tht separate dll is only intended to allow for less duplicationand more reuse on the current existing modules, which are quite similar in structure
2015-08-30 23:59 <Melanie_> so can shre a bit of code, why opy/paste?
2015-08-31 00:00 <dahlia> POS was a simple physics danx0r was attempting to write way back in the dark ages. I doubt it would be more efficient than bullet even for simple collisions
2015-08-31 00:00 <dahlia> because bullet is highly optimezed
2015-08-31 00:00 <dahlia> *optimized
2015-08-31 00:00 <Melanie_> OpenSim.Region.so:
2015-08-31 00:00 <Melanie_> OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModules.ODE
2015-08-31 00:00 <Melanie_> OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModules.Bulet
2015-08-31 00:01 <Melanie_> etc
2015-08-31 00:01 <Melanie_> are each full region modules providing IPhysicsModule
2015-08-31 00:01 <nebadon> that was my thinking as well dahlia
2015-08-31 00:01 <Melanie_> OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModules.SharedBase
2015-08-31 00:01 <nebadon> bullet can likely handle 1000s of collisions better
2015-08-31 00:01 <Melanie_> would be OpenSim.Region.Modules.SharedBase.dll
2015-08-31 00:02 <Melanie_> which any module that likes to use it can use, but does not have to
2015-08-31 00:02 <Melanie_> and it would have the current PhysicsScene
2015-08-31 00:02 <dahlia> finding which geometric primitives to collide test is not a simple problem
2015-08-31 00:02 <Melanie_> excapt for POS, which already provides it's own
2015-08-31 00:03 <dahlia> in fact it's srsly difficult
2015-08-31 00:13 <dahlia> 
ACTION thinks you could do a lot of what current physics engines do with existing region module interfaces

2015-08-31 00:14 <dahlia> but not everything
2015-08-31 00:18 <diva> Melanie_ I'm starting to work on this in a separate branch
2015-08-31 00:18 <misterblue> the Bullet physics engine seems to be very slow at mesh to mesh collisions... it is quick with the primitive shapes (cube, sphere)
2015-08-31 00:19 <misterblue> that's probably one area the PhysX port will be quicker than Bullet
2015-08-31 00:20 <dahlia> ode seems to do well mesh->mesh
2015-08-31 00:21 <dahlia> I think bullet has several different BVH implementations, not sure how to select which gets used
2015-08-31 00:22 <dahlia> or which is best
2015-08-31 00:23 <Ubit> why will physX be faster than bullet on that?
2015-08-31 00:24 <Ubit> physX also doens't like mesh
2015-08-31 00:28 <dahlia> what little I understand about the difficulty of mesh collisions is the hard part id finding which triangles to test
2015-08-31 00:29 <Ubit> SAT  and SAT  
2015-08-31 00:29 <dahlia> a lot depends on how well the acceleration algorithms (BVH for bullet) are set up
2015-08-31 00:29 <Ubit> thats why  physX and bullet  don't like meshs except for static things
2015-08-31 00:29 <dahlia> physx may do a better job initializing the BVH, and may be able to access it in parallel in a gpu
2015-08-31 00:29 <Ubit> they prefer convex
2015-08-31 00:30 <Ubit> even forbid mesh from moving as full dynamic now..
2015-08-31 00:30 <dahlia> convex easier but the same problem still exists
2015-08-31 00:30 <dahlia> its just "which hull" vs "which triangle"
2015-08-31 00:30 <Ubit> ode doent have convex.. so its happy with meshs :)
2015-08-31 00:31 <dahlia> yes but ODE also seems to find the appropriate triangles better
2015-08-31 00:31 <Ubit> yeap but being convex does allow some simplufication
2015-08-31 00:31 <Ubit> even replacing SAT  by other methods
2015-08-31 00:32 <Ubit> like  damm forgot the names lol... there are 2 on bullet and physX
2015-08-31 00:48 <Ubit> bahh GJK  + EPA or MPR 
2015-08-31 00:49 <Ubit> those also allow for better CCD
2015-08-31 00:50 <Ubit> xiii i sound american ...
2015-08-31 00:50 <Ubit> sat  is separation axis teorem...
2015-08-31 00:51 <Ubit> GJK is  Gilbert- Jonhnson-keerthi  algorith..
2015-08-31 00:51 <Ubit> etc :)
2015-08-31 00:57 <misterblue> Bullet3 is mostly a rewrite of the Bullet engine... uses OpenCL for acceleration
2015-08-31 00:58 <misterblue> the problem there (besides doing the port) is supporting all the different OpenCL libraries and their versions 
2015-08-31 00:59 <Ubit> bahh giving up on bullet already? 
2015-08-31 00:59 <Ubit> lol
2015-08-31 04:41 <diva> Melanie_ PhysicsPLuginManager has practically nothing in it to inherit from. I think you were thinking about PhyscisScene and other base classes like that one on that dll. So there is no need for the physics region modules to extend PhysicsPluginManager
2015-08-31 04:44 <diva> In fact, with a little bit of work, we could make the PhysicsScene(s) in each physics module be the region module, extending the abstract PhyscisScene and implementing INonSharedRegionModule. But that's a  bit more work than adding a "bridge" class that serves as the region module and contains the PhysicsScene for each engine
2015-08-31 04:51 <diva> well, maybe it can hold the mesher module for all physics region modules... that's about it
2015-08-31 04:51 <diva> hmm, nah
2015-08-31 04:52 <diva> PhysicsPluginMabager will disappear
2015-08-31 04:54 <dahlia> diva: out of curiosity, why redo all this?
2015-08-31 04:55 <diva> so that we can reduce all plugin mechanisms in core opensim to 1
2015-08-31 04:55 <diva> region modules
2015-08-31 04:56 <dahlia> I'd love to see IClientAPI gone :)
2015-08-31 04:56 <diva> there's only 21 things that don't use them: pjhysics and the linden client code
2015-08-31 04:56 <diva> 2
2015-08-31 04:56 <diva> hehe
2015-08-31 04:56 <dahlia> you can do a lot of physics now in region modules
2015-08-31 04:56 <diva> yes
2015-08-31 04:56 <diva> that's how it should be
2015-08-31 04:57 <diva> the current physics plugins should all be region modules
2015-08-31 04:57 <dahlia> but Im not sure all the script stuff or the AgentUpdates and all that are hooked in
2015-08-31 04:57 <diva> what script stuff and AgentUpdates?
2015-08-31 04:57 <dahlia> well...
2015-08-31 04:58 <dahlia> scripts set forces
2015-08-31 04:58 <dahlia> agent updates change physics state
2015-08-31 04:58 <dahlia> they both interact with physics state
2015-08-31 04:58 <dahlia> and I dont think region modules can see all that
2015-08-31 04:58 <dahlia> or pass it 
2015-08-31 04:59 <dahlia> theres stuff in ScenePresence and SOG/SOP that talk with the physics engines
2015-08-31 05:00 <dahlia> so you can do physics in a region module but not everything will work like physical scripted objects
2015-08-31 05:00 <dahlia> or LL avatars
2015-08-31 05:04 <diva> as I said I am not looking to replace the existing scene <-> physics or scene <-> client API. I'm just moving in that direction by replacing the plugin mechanism with that of region modules. Later those who know more than I do can improve the interfaces
2015-08-31 05:09 <dahlia> well whats there... setting forces, PID parameters, passing collision events...
2015-08-31 05:09 <dahlia> lots of that might go thru eventmanager
2015-08-31 05:14 <dahlia> that unity viewer I did way back when did avatar physics locally and sent position/rotation data back to the simulator rather than just send movement key state like LL viewers do
2015-08-31 05:15 <dahlia> which was nice because there was no movement lag, but bad because you dont collide against stuff that hasn't rezzed locally yet for whatever reason
2015-08-31 05:15 <dahlia> so I had an error correction
2015-08-31 05:15 <dahlia> but that was all done via IClientAPI
2015-08-31 05:16 <dahlia> I hacked in a hook into AgentUpdate processing so the viewer could pass postion
2015-08-31 10:36 <Ubit> [11:34] * Quits: diva (~Diva@ip70-181-114-149.oc.oc.cox.net) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)   gmmm those 250s seemed very fast
2015-08-31 13:21 <osmantis> Bug #7706:04 DestinationGuide Override in Simulator Not Operational 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7706 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-31 13:24 <osmantis> Bug #7672:04 Importing a xlm shape fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7672 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-31 13:26 <osmantis> Bug #7706:04 DestinationGuide Override in Simulator Not Operational 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7706 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-31 13:36 <osmantis> Bug #7706:04 DestinationGuide Override in Simulator Not Operational 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7706 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-31 14:07 <osmantis> Bug #7706:04 DestinationGuide Override in Simulator Not Operational 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7706 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-31 14:13 <osmantis> Bug #7706:04 DestinationGuide Override in Simulator Not Operational 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7706 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-31 14:34 <Melanie_> diva: There are some stub implementations, IIRC, that may need to be duplicated if inheritance is not used
2015-08-31 14:35 <osmantis> Bug #7706:04 DestinationGuide Override in Simulator Not Operational 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7706 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-31 14:36 <osmantis> Bug #7706:04 DestinationGuide Override in Simulator Not Operational 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7706 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-31 14:43 <osmantis> Bug #7706:04 DestinationGuide Override in Simulator Not Operational 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7706 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-31 14:43 <diva> Melanie_ that is true for PhysicsScene, but not for PhysicsPluginManager. The plugin manager is just a dll loader, and that's what will be replaced by region modules
2015-08-31 14:43 <Melanie_> of course
2015-08-31 14:44 <Melanie_> and you mentioned shim modules and such above, that should not be needed
2015-08-31 14:44 <Melanie_> the physics "plugin" should be the region module
2015-08-31 14:45 <Melanie_> i would not like to see a "physics manager" to be a region module and still load the plugins the way we do now
2015-08-31 14:45 <Melanie_> that would be just bad design
2015-08-31 15:04 <osmantis> Bug #7706:04 DestinationGuide Override in Simulator Not Operational 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7706 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-08-31 16:39 <diva> dahlia/Melanie_ why is there a PrimMesher.dll that's checked in? I can't find any reference to it in prebuild.xml
2015-08-31 17:34 <Melanie_> I have no idea. Either something from openim-libs, or a leftover?
2015-08-31 18:21 <diva> misterblue Bullet declares a dependency on Region.CoreModules, just because of the LogWriter. I moved that class to OpenSim.Framework   (I'm working on a branch)
2015-08-31 18:24 <diva> ...that way the dependency is not needed
2015-08-31 18:26 <diva> it would be nice to also remove the dependency to OptionalModules, but that will require a new interface for the ExtendedPhysics optional module
2015-08-31 18:27 <diva> maybe later
2015-08-31 18:49 <dahlia> diva: the source is in Physics/Meshing
2015-08-31 18:49 <diva> which OpenSim dll uses it?
2015-08-31 18:49 <dahlia> or there may be some parts that use the dll in OpenMetaverse
2015-08-31 18:50 <dahlia> its used by physics
2015-08-31 18:50 <diva> are you sure?
2015-08-31 18:50 <dahlia> to generate collision geometry
2015-08-31 18:50 <dahlia> yes, I wrote it
2015-08-31 18:50 <diva> cos I found some code for Prim meshing in OpenSim
2015-08-31 18:50 <diva> the source
2015-08-31 18:50 <dahlia> yes
2015-08-31 18:51 <diva> is that the same thing?
2015-08-31 18:51 <dahlia> dies it say *Mesher* in it?
2015-08-31 18:51 <dahlia> or Meshmerizer?
2015-08-31 18:52 <nebadon> is it a question of should the dll be included in source? or built upon compile?
2015-08-31 18:52 <dahlia> PrimMesher exists in both source and dll form. the dll is distributed with libomv
2015-08-31 18:53 <dahlia> the source form is used in physics
2015-08-31 18:53 <dahlia> the dll form was added later by others for use in script api
2015-08-31 18:53 <dahlia> the source for the dll form are in the PrimMesher project in forge
2015-08-31 18:54 <diva> I don't think we need it, given that we have the source under Meshing -- assuming that's the same thing
2015-08-31 18:54 <lkalif> i don't think you need the dll for libomv parts used in opensim
2015-08-31 18:54 <dahlia> its needed for llCastRay
2015-08-31 18:54 <diva> there's a PrimMesher.cs under source control
2015-08-31 18:54 <dahlia> yes but not complete
2015-08-31 18:55 <diva> shouldn't this dll be referenced in prebuild.xml?
2015-08-31 18:55 <dahlia> the dll has more stuff (which may not be used in opensim)
2015-08-31 18:55 <diva> cos I can't find it
2015-08-31 18:55 <Melanie_> dlls that are not built with opensim are not referenced in prebuild
2015-08-31 18:55 <dahlia> it is (was) referenced in the LSL API
2015-08-31 18:56 <dahlia> if not, remove it I ugess
2015-08-31 18:56 <dahlia> guess
2015-08-31 18:56 <diva> what's the difference between PrimMesher.cs under OpenSim and the sources you have in opensim-libs?
2015-08-31 18:57 <dahlia> if you mean the one in forge, it has more meshing features
2015-08-31 18:57 <diva> what's the name space in it, so I can try to find it in prebuid?
2015-08-31 18:57 <dahlia> there is a .obj interpreter and some vertex optimization stuff
2015-08-31 18:58 <dahlia> PrimMesher
2015-08-31 18:58 <Melanie_> diva: if it's included as a binary build, it will not be in prebuild
2015-08-31 18:58 <diva> yep, can't find it
2015-08-31 18:58 <diva> as a dependency Melanie_
2015-08-31 18:58 <diva> I don't see any project consuming it
2015-08-31 18:58 <diva> I think it's left over
2015-08-31 18:58 <Melanie_> it may be loaded programmatically
2015-08-31 18:59 <Melanie_> so you can't depend on prebuild
2015-08-31 18:59 <Melanie_> remove it from your tree
2015-08-31 18:59 <Melanie_> see if it causes errors
2015-08-31 18:59 <Melanie_> that's the only way to be sure
2015-08-31 18:59 <lkalif> or by other dll
2015-08-31 18:59 <nebadon> try llCastRay too
2015-08-31 18:59 <dahlia> after it was added, I made a change to expose meshing to other modules. the llCastRay author may be using that instead
2015-08-31 18:59 <nebadon> llCastRay has changed a lot
2015-08-31 18:59 <nebadon> since its first inception
2015-08-31 18:59 <diva> ok, I'll look it over after I'm done with all the physics modules
2015-08-31 19:00 <diva> I'm streamlining the dependencies in this whole part of opensim
2015-08-31 19:00 <dahlia> I don't have a problem with unused dlls being romoved :)
2015-08-31 19:00 <dahlia> OH
2015-08-31 19:00 <dahlia> the map generator 
2015-08-31 19:00 <dahlia> warp3d
2015-08-31 19:00 <dahlia> it needs it but it gets it thru libomv
2015-08-31 19:01 <dahlia> so its an indirect dependancy
2015-08-31 19:01 <lkalif> then you need it
2015-08-31 19:01 <lkalif> do youe have OpenMetaverse.Rendering...
2015-08-31 19:02 <dahlia> see I originally wrote it for collisions in opensim but then I added features so it could be also used for rendering and libomv picked it up
2015-08-31 19:02 <dahlia> and warp uses it for rendering 
2015-08-31 19:02 <lkalif> OpenMetaverse.Rendering uses it
2015-08-31 19:02 <dahlia> ya
2015-08-31 19:03 <dahlia> so no dll, no pretty map tiles
2015-08-31 19:03 <Melanie_> so, needed. has to stay. end of story
2015-08-31 19:03 <dahlia> physics could probably use the dll
2015-08-31 19:04 <dahlia> I think I changed it once to use it but something else broke so I reverted
2015-08-31 19:04 <lkalif> works pretty well in radegast
2015-08-31 19:04 <diva> ok
2015-08-31 20:02 <dahlia> "you are in a twisty little maze of dependancies, all different"
2015-08-31 20:08 <lkalif> "standards are great. so many to pick from!"
2015-08-31 20:09 <dahlia> lol really
2015-08-31 20:09 <dahlia> 
ACTION thinks source code should be stored without whitespace and IDEs should format it in the user's preferred form

2015-08-31 20:10 <dahlia> except that might messup ascii graphics in comments :/
2015-08-31 20:25 <Melanie_> dahlia: people exist who do not use IDEs
2015-08-31 20:25 <dahlia> well command line pretty printers 
2015-08-31 20:26 <dahlia> Melanie_: vi?
2015-08-31 20:26 <Melanie_> of course
2015-08-31 20:26 <dahlia> (better not be emacs)
2015-08-31 20:26 <dahlia> ctags?
2015-08-31 20:27 <Melanie_> nop
2015-08-31 20:27 <dahlia> I wonder if ctags works with c#
2015-08-31 20:29 <Melanie_> it seems to parse it properly
2015-08-31 20:29 <Melanie_> ctags -x output makes sense
2015-08-31 20:31 <Melanie_> yes c# is fully supported
2015-08-31 20:33 <dahlia> old skool coding <3
2015-08-31 20:34 <Melanie_> yes. works fine for me
2015-08-31 20:34 <Melanie_> and it keeps themind nimble, knowing the code base rather than navigating by indexes in an ide
2015-08-31 20:34 <Melanie_> the way i do it i actually know where my files are. not just at 10pm
2015-08-31 20:35 <dahlia> I'm old and lazy and visual studio is just too good
2015-08-31 20:42 <diva> misterblue Melanie dahlia is there a good reason to write the physics dlls under the Physics folder?
2015-08-31 20:43 <dahlia> 
ACTION shrugs

2015-08-31 20:43 <diva> this causes a bit of a problem for them as region modules because the module loader doesn't look there
2015-08-31 21:07 <diva> yey ! I have Bullt working as region module
2015-08-31 21:19 <lkalif> cool
2015-08-31 21:22 <dahlia> o.0
2015-08-31 21:23 <dahlia> multiple interfaces?
2015-08-31 21:23 <diva> what do you mean? Just the regular PhysicsScene interface
2015-08-31 21:23 <dahlia> so more than just the region module interface
2015-08-31 21:24 <dahlia> ISharedRegionModule or whatever it is
2015-08-31 21:25 <diva> yeah, it's what it was before. I didn't change the interface, only the way these dlls are loaded and chosen
2015-08-31 21:26 <dahlia> ah ok, guess I was confused yesterday then
2015-08-31 21:28 <diva> yeah I think you keep thinking that I'm changing the interface between the scene and these features, but I'm not. I don't know enough to do that. All I want is to put every single scene-enhancing feature on the same plugin mechanism -- region modules. That way people can use mono addins to package and distribute them.
2015-08-31 21:29 <dahlia> I guess I assumed you were trying to get rid of a lot of the interfaces based oh part of what you were saying yesterday, probably a misinterpretation on my part
2015-08-31 21:30 <diva> so if you want to develop a cartoon physics, you can distribute a binary version of it using mautil. No need to distribute source code, and easy for ppl to install
2015-08-31 21:30 <dahlia> cool
2015-08-31 21:31 <dahlia> 
ACTION starts work on a roadrunner cartoon physics...

2015-08-31 21:31 <dahlia> complete with acme rockets
2015-08-31 21:31 <diva> :)
2015-08-31 21:32 <dahlia> those were the best cartoons. Kids these days just don't have any respect *shakes fist*
2015-08-31 22:30 <dahlia> we need better vehicle physics http://i.imgur.com/eS3WQ2F.gifv
2015-08-31 22:31 <zadark> lol
2015-08-31 22:36 <nebadon> dahlia
2015-08-31 22:36 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRbQ4OaljWs
2015-08-31 22:36 <nebadon> http://www.rigsofrods.com/content/
2015-08-31 22:39 <dahlia> awww it fell off the crane :(
2015-08-31 22:40 <diva> I'm getting an error on the ScriptEngine tests, but it doesn't have anything to do with physics...
2015-08-31 22:41 <dahlia> I got a strange one last time I tried to update libomv but I dont know why so I just reverted
2015-08-31 22:41 <dahlia> might have been some locale thing
2015-08-31 22:41 <dahlia> a script api error
2015-08-31 22:42 <diva> this one is related to the "dataserver"
2015-08-31 22:42 <diva> some assertion fails
2015-08-31 22:43 <smxy> pCampBots still haven't worked for me since you update libomv, dahlia.
2015-08-31 22:43 <dahlia> :)
2015-08-31 22:45 <smxy> I'm not sure why you think it's amusing that they're broken and I can't use them now, except from an old version prior to your update.
2015-08-31 22:45 <dahlia> amusing?
2015-08-31 22:45 <smxy> You said: :)
2015-08-31 22:46 <dahlia> I didnt say :P
2015-08-31 22:47 <dahlia> 1) I was asked to update and assured by those who made the changes that it was ok. 2) I don't know why your install fails and I cant replicate 3) it's not clear that it's a problem in the current version
2015-08-31 22:47 <diva> does basicphysics support varregions?!
2015-08-31 22:47 <dahlia> does it even work at all?
2015-08-31 22:47 <diva> for tests
2015-08-31 22:48 <diva> I odn't think it does, right?
2015-08-31 22:48 <dahlia> dunno
2015-08-31 22:48 <diva> I swear to god, some of these tests are a complete mystery
2015-08-31 22:48 <dahlia> never tried it
2015-08-31 22:49 <dahlia> I think justin was the TDD advocate around here
2015-08-31 22:50 <diva> he was setting up a scene, which was using basic physics, and testing NPCs on varregions
2015-08-31 22:50 <diva> I have no idea how that worked before! 
2015-08-31 22:50 <diva> it doesn't work now
2015-08-31 22:51 <dahlia> I would suggest removing basicphysics except it could server as a starting point for others developing new physics implementations
2015-08-31 22:51 <Melanie_> many of justin's tests actually test for the presence of a bug :)
2015-08-31 22:51 <dahlia> lol
2015-08-31 22:51 <dahlia> so much for "TDD"
2015-08-31 22:52 <Melanie_> because his tests are created by: calling a method, recording the actual result and then writing a test to epect that result
2015-08-31 22:52 <Melanie_> even though the actual result is often not what it should be
2015-08-31 22:52 <Melanie_> so when you fix a bug, a test breaks
2015-08-31 22:52 <dahlia> well expecting the proper result is ok
2015-08-31 22:52 <Melanie_> then the test has to be changed to test for the absence of the bug, rather than it's presence
2015-08-31 22:53 <dahlia> well testing for proper functionality
2015-08-31 22:53 <dahlia> testing for a bug is more of a regression test than a functional test
2015-08-31 22:54 <diva> I honestly have no idea how that worked beforeQ! Maybe the phyics plugins weren't being loaded in the tests!
2015-08-31 22:54 <diva> that's the only explanation
2015-08-31 22:54 <dahlia> you running tests locally?
2015-08-31 22:55 <diva> yes, making sure they're all good
2015-08-31 22:55 <dahlia> run them on master?
2015-08-31 22:55 <dahlia> I havent run them locally for ages
2015-08-31 22:55 <dahlia> too easy to just let jenkins do it
2015-08-31 23:46 <diva> if anyone has some cycles to spare, I'd appreciate some testing of the physmodules branch. No changes in configs.
2015-08-31 23:53 <nebadon> k
2015-08-31 23:54 <dahlia> I could probably test a few things but may be a couple hours from now
2015-08-31 23:54 <nebadon> i will start updating sisyphus
2015-08-31 23:54 <dahlia> your physics region might be good :)
2015-08-31 23:55 <dahlia> actually if you update sisyphus, I could just hg tp there and try a scripted thingie
2015-08-31 23:55 <nebadon> k
2015-09-01 00:03 <zadark> diva, I have exception Object reference not set to an instance of an object. more detail http://pastebin.com/hPcqWaAM
2015-09-01 00:04 <dahlia> I cant build but looks like it might be a glitch in my mono install
2015-09-01 00:04 <zadark> 3 adjacent var regions
2015-09-01 00:04 <zadark> testing on windows
2015-09-01 00:06 <nebadon> my region is just starting up, i had to clear all the dlls from scriptengine folder
2015-09-01 00:06 <nebadon> got all kinds of warnings and stuff
2015-09-01 00:07 <nebadon> now it seems to be starting up clean
2015-09-01 00:08 <nebadon> logged in and moving around
2015-09-01 00:08 <nebadon> about to take the torus coaster for a spin
2015-09-01 00:08 <nebadon> :)
2015-09-01 00:19 <nebadon> proof that bulletsim is working in your new branch diva > http://onikenkon.com/video/the_torus_coaster_01-2015-08-31.mp4
2015-09-01 00:19 <nebadon> :)
2015-09-01 00:21 <dahlia> my follow test thingie is working on nebadon's region
2015-09-01 00:40 <diva> cool
2015-09-01 00:42 <diva> this doesn't change physics in any way; it only changes the way the dlls are loaded. So I'd expect a whole or nothing situation. If it starts, it should work
2015-09-01 00:42 <diva> that roller coaster is wicked
2015-09-01 00:42 <nebadon> :)
2015-09-01 00:43 <Melanie_> even if it doesn't work, all it can be is a flesh wound :)
2015-09-01 00:44 <diva> ok, well next I'll do something similar for that lost client dll that is ancient history
2015-09-01 00:45 <diva> it's the last one
2015-09-01 00:45 <Melanie_> which one?
2015-09-01 00:45 <dahlia> now if you could just get that roller coaster to work across multiple regions :)
2015-09-01 00:45 <diva> clientstack_plugin
2015-09-01 00:46 <Melanie_> what does that do?
2015-09-01 00:46 <diva> which is sort of petrified to receive "OpenSim.Region.ClientStack.LindenUDP.dll
2015-09-01 00:46 <Melanie_> is that even used/usable?
2015-09-01 00:46 <diva> yes!
2015-09-01 00:46 <Melanie_> oh
2015-09-01 00:46 <Melanie_> hmmm
2015-09-01 00:46 <diva> that's how the lindin UDP gets plugged
2015-09-01 00:46 <Melanie_> i think you should hold off on that
2015-09-01 00:46 <diva> how come?
2015-09-01 00:46 <Melanie_> i'm working on an architectural paper
2015-09-01 00:47 <diva> paper?!?
2015-09-01 00:47 <Melanie_> for a new interface that is data centric not protocol centric
2015-09-01 00:47 <diva> you?!?
2015-09-01 00:47 <Melanie_> and works as a region module
2015-09-01 00:47 <Melanie_> yes
2015-09-01 00:47 <dahlia> Melanie_? paper? *faints*
2015-09-01 00:47 <Melanie_> the changes are too profound to go and do code first
2015-09-01 00:47 <dahlia> SACRILIGE!!!
2015-09-01 00:47 <Melanie_> although i do have proof of concept code in the works
2015-09-01 00:47 <diva> ok, then I'll hold off
2015-09-01 00:48 <dahlia> what would be cool is for other protocols to share the UDP port :) *ducks*
2015-09-01 00:48 <diva> I'll let this branch sit, let ppl test it a bit more -- ODE too please! -- and then I'll merge
2015-09-01 00:48 <Melanie_> but remember when i said that the *Manager classes in the pre-robust must die?
2015-09-01 00:48 <Melanie_> it was a lot of work but it happened
2015-09-01 00:48 <Melanie_> well, i have decided that IClientAPI must die
2015-09-01 00:48 <Melanie_> so there
2015-09-01 00:48 <dahlia> YAY
2015-09-01 00:48 <diva> \o/
2015-09-01 00:48 <dahlia> KILL IT
2015-09-01 00:49 <diva> kill kill kill
2015-09-01 00:49 <dahlia> BURN IT AT THE STAKE
2015-09-01 00:49 <Melanie_> http://www.interrobangstudios.com/comics-display.php?strip_id=989
2015-09-01 00:49 <dahlia> 
ACTION collects wood...

2015-09-01 00:49 <Melanie_> the new interface is data centric
2015-09-01 00:49 <Melanie_> it isn't based on what a client needs or provides
2015-09-01 00:49 <Melanie_> but on the simulation's data flow
2015-09-01 00:50 <Melanie_> clients have to adapt to it
2015-09-01 00:50 <Melanie_> not the other way around
2015-09-01 00:50 <Melanie_> it's based on dependency injection
2015-09-01 00:50 <diva> good
2015-09-01 00:51 <Melanie_> so in the future the simulation can provide it's data as it has it
2015-09-01 00:51 <Melanie_> not as the ll client needs it
2015-09-01 00:51 <Melanie_> all protocol knowledge will go away from scene
2015-09-01 00:51 <diva> <3
2015-09-01 00:51 <dahlia> while we're at it, how about a generic entity-component scenegraph? :)
2015-09-01 00:51 <Melanie_> that will affect teleports severely
2015-09-01 00:52 <Melanie_> as they will have to be split into "simulation part" and "client part"
2015-09-01 00:52 <Melanie_> the tp logic for the client will have to be fully encapsulated in the client module
2015-09-01 00:52 <Melanie_> the entity transfer module will just handle the server part
2015-09-01 00:53 <Melanie_> i will nee your and ubit's expertise on teleport and hg for this
2015-09-01 00:53 <Melanie_> dahlia: the paper assumes that one could be created, but it's out of scope. but hierarchical linking is on the menu for sure
2015-09-01 00:54 <Melanie_> but the architecture allows ECs to supply interfaces
2015-09-01 00:54 <dahlia> looking forward to reading (and commenting) it
2015-09-01 00:55 <Melanie_> the draft right now is 3 closely typed pages and i think it's about 1/8th done
2015-09-01 00:55 <Melanie_> as a draft
2015-09-01 00:56 <diva> me too
2015-09-01 00:56 <dahlia> I have a couple experimental viewers which have hierarchical EC scenegraphs
2015-09-01 00:56 <dahlia> so I'm confident SL content works with such
2015-09-01 00:57 <Melanie_> of course it does. sl content is a subset of any EC based scene worth it's salt
2015-09-01 00:57 <dahlia> well it maps and the tranformations work :)
2015-09-01 00:58 <dahlia> *transformations
2015-09-01 00:58 <Melanie_> well, sl content is simple
2015-09-01 00:58 <Melanie_> it's entity -> object
2015-09-01 00:58 <dahlia> except the avatars
2015-09-01 00:58 <Melanie_> then has EC for either mesh, prim or sculpt
2015-09-01 00:58 <Melanie_> in addition, texture and inventory
2015-09-01 00:58 <dahlia> the avatars are kludge->more kludge->piled high and deep
2015-09-01 00:59 <Melanie_> i'd like to be able to provide industry standard animated mesh avatars and objects
2015-09-01 00:59 <Melanie_> but one thing still holds true
2015-09-01 00:59 <Melanie_> the user on the ground will not accept any avatar that can't wear SL copybotted texture clothing :(
2015-09-01 00:59 <dahlia> ya so would I
2015-09-01 00:59 <dahlia> lol
2015-09-01 01:08 <smxy> PLEASE do not F* up HG TPs, whatever you do, Melanie. You may not need them for Avination, but pretty much everyone else depends on them. :)
2015-09-01 01:10 <smxy> Ah, it's only theoretical at this point. Still. :)
2015-09-01 01:11 <Melanie_> smxy: this will be worked on away from core
2015-09-01 01:12 <Melanie_> 
ACTION F*'s up HG TP on smxy's grid only ;)

2015-09-01 01:12 <smxy> I wouldn't put it past you. :)
2015-09-01 01:13 <smxy> lol
2015-09-01 01:13 <smxy> It sounds interesting though.
2015-09-01 01:16 <Melanie_> if (tp == TeleportType.HyperGrid && gridOwner == '"smxy") throw new NotImplementedException(":P");
2015-09-01 01:21 <smxy> hehe
2015-09-01 01:21 <smxy> 
ACTION shall grep for that from now on, before building. :)

2015-09-01 01:22 <SilverWhitefish> http://http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/files/blogimages/copyright.jpg
2015-09-01 01:22 <AllenKerensky> find . -type f -name \*.cs -exec grep -l '\":P\"' {} \; # new Jenkins test...
2015-09-01 01:30 <smxy> :)
2015-09-01 02:37 <misterblue> diva: you said something about changing the OptionalModule linkage for BulletSim... I can't see what you did in the 'physmodule' branch
2015-09-01 02:37 <misterblue> is that the branch you're working on?
2015-09-01 02:40 <nebadon> physmodules is the name misterblue
2015-09-01 02:40 <nebadon> plural
2015-09-01 02:41 <misterblue> that's the one I got...
2015-09-01 02:41 <nebadon> k
2015-09-01 02:41 <nebadon> thats about the extent of my knowledge so far :)
2015-09-01 02:41 <misterblue> will have to wait until she's done with dinner :)
2015-09-01 02:42 <nebadon> http://4dialog.com/Upplands_Vasby/webgl/
2015-09-01 02:42 <nebadon> what I have been tinkering on :)
2015-09-01 02:42 <nebadon> my conclusion is it will be very hard to straight up render typical opensim/sl style scenes
2015-09-01 02:42 <misterblue> I've been lurking and seeing your earlier version
2015-09-01 02:42 <nebadon> but you can do pretty cool stuff still
2015-09-01 02:43 <nebadon> realistically too if you can make it look good and run good on Unity WebGL
2015-09-01 02:43 <nebadon> its going to run awesome in opensim too
2015-09-01 02:44 <Melanie_> webgl will have to evolve to embrace dynamic content
2015-09-01 02:44 <Melanie_> or it will be replaced by something else
2015-09-01 02:44 <nebadon> you can do very high quality stuff in webgl
2015-09-01 02:44 <nebadon> its just some of the more sloppy prim stuff
2015-09-01 02:45 <nebadon> will be pretty challenging to do with any kind of quality
2015-09-01 02:45 <nebadon> if you want it to perform well
2015-09-01 02:45 <nebadon> I am already hitting near the limits of what out of the box Unity3D can do with webgl on my model
2015-09-01 02:46 <nebadon> there is a lot of trade off for webgl still too
2015-09-01 02:46 <Melanie_> i don't like the controls
2015-09-01 02:46 <nebadon> like shadows suck
2015-09-01 02:46 <nebadon> I am sure better controls could be programmed
2015-09-01 02:46 <Melanie_> the way the look direction stops tracking when you leave the indow
2015-09-01 02:46 <nebadon> web browser controls kind of suck
2015-09-01 02:46 <nebadon> yea
2015-09-01 02:46 <nebadon> its best full screen
2015-09-01 02:47 <Melanie_> i am well familiar with wasd+mouse
2015-09-01 02:47 <Melanie_> i mean, i playgames, too
2015-09-01 02:47 <Melanie_> but it doesn't work well
2015-09-01 02:47 <Melanie_> compared to controls, on, say, the new tomb raider
2015-09-01 02:47 <Melanie_> that gets two thumbs down
2015-09-01 02:47 <Melanie_> they need to work on that
2015-09-01 02:47 <Melanie_> massively
2015-09-01 02:47 <nebadon> ya
2015-09-01 02:48 <nebadon> i think overall at any given moment
2015-09-01 02:48 <nebadon> WebGL will be able to display about 1/4 of what the standard viewer can 
2015-09-01 02:48 <misterblue> I really hoped for better with the Unity/webGL stuff
2015-09-01 02:48 <nebadon> actually in linux it works a lot better
2015-09-01 02:48 <nebadon> because most of the web browsers in linux are 64 bit now
2015-09-01 02:48 <nebadon> where windows is 32 bit still
2015-09-01 02:48 <nebadon> i can do much larger scenes in 64 bit browser
2015-09-01 02:48 <nebadon> even on windows
2015-09-01 02:49 <nebadon> mozilla has a nightly build of 64 bit 
2015-09-01 02:49 <nebadon> but not release yet
2015-09-01 02:49 <nebadon> https://nightly.mozilla.org/
2015-09-01 02:49 <nebadon> until 32 bit web browser is gone
2015-09-01 02:49 <nebadon> webgl is going to suck
2015-09-01 02:49 <nebadon> if you want it to run everywhere
2015-09-01 02:49 <Melanie_> i'm on osx 64 bit
2015-09-01 02:50 <nebadon> i imagine osx has 64 bit web browser too
2015-09-01 02:50 <nebadon> but cant say for sure
2015-09-01 02:50 <nebadon> im not even sure if there is a 64 bit chrome for windows
2015-09-01 02:50 <nebadon> i didnt look
2015-09-01 02:50 <nebadon> i ended up having to make changes so it works in 512mb memory
2015-09-01 02:50 <nebadon> because anything above 512mb throws an array error in 32 bit chrome
2015-09-01 02:51 <nebadon> i could go up to 1024mb in 32 bit firefox
2015-09-01 02:51 <nebadon> but anything above that also throws array error
2015-09-01 02:51 <nebadon> 64bit i went up to 2048 no problem
2015-09-01 02:51 <nebadon> that is the most Unity3D allows in WebGL at the moment
2015-09-01 02:51 <nebadon> which is actually quite a lot
2015-09-01 02:52 <nebadon> probably more than the 32bit SL viewer can do
2015-09-01 02:58 <nebadon> if we could some how merge Blender / Unity3D / OpenSimulator
2015-09-01 02:58 <nebadon> it would be a beast :)
2015-09-01 02:59 <nebadon> and now that I understand Unity3D better
2015-09-01 02:59 <nebadon> i can see that Highfidelity is basically recreating unity3D but with a back end system
2015-09-01 02:59 <nebadon> but Unity3D crushes highfidelity
2015-09-01 03:02 <nebadon> it would be really nice too, if opensimulator handled assets like Unity3D does
2015-09-01 03:02 <nebadon> but thats unlikely to happen
2015-09-01 03:02 <nebadon> but man does it make things a lot easier
2015-09-01 03:02 <nebadon> in this way Unity3D and Hifidelity are 1:1
2015-09-01 03:03 <nebadon> even if we dont make it the primary way to handle assets
2015-09-01 03:03 <nebadon> it sure would be nice if opensim could handle them this way as an alternative choice
2015-09-01 03:03 <nebadon> it would mean a very different viewer though
2015-09-01 03:04 <diva> misterblue I haven;t changed the dependency on OptionalMOdules. But it is possible to do it
2015-09-01 03:05 <diva> I removedthe dependency on CoreModules though
2015-09-01 03:05 <diva> it was using only that tiny little generic logger class, I moved it to OpenSim.Framework
2015-09-01 03:10 <dahlia> Melanie_: webgl is just a subset of opengl. It has nothing to do with whether content is dynamic or not
2015-09-01 03:10 <dahlia> thats all how you code your application
2015-09-01 03:11 <dahlia> my webgl viewwer is 100% dynamic content
2015-09-01 03:11 <diva> Unity3d can also handle dynamic content
2015-09-01 03:11 <diva> the webgl viewer
2015-09-01 03:12 <diva> but it requires programming, it's not what comes out of te box
2015-09-01 03:13 <diva> Unity3d is extremelly well done. It's just not a multi-user scene server; it's single user 3d experiences
2015-09-01 03:13 <dahlia> sure, the unity viewer I did was also entirely dynamic content
2015-09-01 03:13 <dahlia> but I had to abuse unity a lot to get it that way
2015-09-01 03:13 <diva> that's where opensim shines. It's a multi-user experience our of the box
2015-09-01 03:14 <diva> you didn't use asset bundles?
2015-09-01 03:14 <diva> maybe they didn't ave them at that time
2015-09-01 03:14 <dahlia> lol no
2015-09-01 03:14 <diva> Unity has changed a bit
2015-09-01 03:14 <dahlia> they had asset bundles then
2015-09-01 03:15 <dahlia> but no, all content was whatever was in the sim
2015-09-01 03:16 <dahlia> what did work well was teleporting. All you needed was the URI of the client stack on the sim you wantet to go to
2015-09-01 03:16 <dahlia> just like the web
2015-09-01 03:18 <diva> the unity3d webgl viewer is really limited. YOu can't do more than 512M of running memory. So it makes things ... interesting
2015-09-01 03:19 <nebadon> ya the more I think about it
2015-09-01 03:19 <nebadon> Hifidelity is basically remaking unity3d with a metaverse backend attached
2015-09-01 03:21 <dahlia> well hifidelity is going after live interaction
2015-09-01 03:21 <dahlia> but ya most game engines are similar conceptually
2015-09-01 03:21 <nebadon> I just mean the builder interface
2015-09-01 03:21 <misterblue> I just don't understand why HiFi is building their own Qt based viewer... seems like building the SL viewer all over again
2015-09-01 03:21 <nebadon> and the way it handles assets
2015-09-01 03:21 <nebadon> they are doing it basically the same as unity
2015-09-01 03:21 <dahlia> I dont care for the editor ui in unity
2015-09-01 03:22 <nebadon> ya there are definitely things about it I dont care for
2015-09-01 03:22 <nebadon> but it has more good than bad I think
2015-09-01 03:22 <dahlia> well the SL viewer is designed around a decade old API (opengl 2) which is designed around decade old hardware
2015-09-01 03:22 <nebadon> yea
2015-09-01 03:22 <dahlia> so its long overdue
2015-09-01 03:23 <nebadon> webgl isnt even that far along yet though either
2015-09-01 03:23 <dahlia> webgl 2 has a few nice features
2015-09-01 03:23 <nebadon> its close though
2015-09-01 03:24 <dahlia> the biggest problem with webgl is it needs to be extremely cautious that any application is trying to exploit your computer so all those checks slow it down a lot
2015-09-01 03:25 <dahlia> whereas opengl... no  checks whatsoever
2015-09-01 03:25 <dahlia> huge difference
2015-09-01 03:25 <dahlia> HUGE
2015-09-01 03:28 <nebadon> yea
2015-09-01 03:28 <nebadon> I was actually quite impressed with the results I got so far
2015-09-01 03:28 <nebadon> I didnt think it would be nearly as good
2015-09-01 03:28 <nebadon> it was beyond my expectations by quite a bit
2015-09-01 03:28 <dahlia> it wont load for me
2015-09-01 03:29 <nebadon> what browser?
2015-09-01 03:29 <dahlia> just sits there with a pink bar
2015-09-01 03:29 <dahlia> ff
2015-09-01 03:29 <nebadon> latest?
2015-09-01 03:29 <dahlia> maybe a week
2015-09-01 03:29 <nebadon> wierd maybe hold shift and refresh?
2015-09-01 03:29 <nebadon> this is another problem with webgl though
2015-09-01 03:30 <nebadon> very broad range of results
2015-09-01 03:30 <nebadon> on who can actually see it
2015-09-01 03:30 <nebadon> making something everyone can see
2015-09-01 03:30 <dahlia> yes I know
2015-09-01 03:30 <nebadon> its basically like a box and a sphere :P
2015-09-01 03:30 <dahlia> I'll try chrome
2015-09-01 03:30 <nebadon> nah its not that bad, but ya for some people it just doesnt run
2015-09-01 03:31 <nebadon> drivers maybe 
2015-09-01 03:31 <nebadon> dunno
2015-09-01 03:31 <nebadon> the best results I have gotten are with Firefox Nightly
2015-09-01 03:31 <nebadon> which is like v43.0
2015-09-01 03:31 <nebadon> 43.x
2015-09-01 03:31 <diva> it works well for me on chrome
2015-09-01 03:31 <diva> took a bit to download though
2015-09-01 03:31 <nebadon> yea
2015-09-01 03:31 <nebadon> its about 270mb right now
2015-09-01 03:31 <dahlia> emscripten stuff seems to favor ff
2015-09-01 03:32 <dahlia> ya working on chrome
2015-09-01 03:33 <dahlia> all mesh buildings?
2015-09-01 03:35 <dahlia> shadows look horrible
2015-09-01 03:35 <dahlia> like cascade fail
2015-09-01 03:35 <nebadon> ya not sure why the shadows are so bad
2015-09-01 03:35 <nebadon> and yes its all mesh
2015-09-01 03:36 <nebadon> everything made in blender
2015-09-01 03:36 <dahlia> that helps a lot. Prims kill webgl
2015-09-01 03:38 <dahlia> solid 60 fps
2015-09-01 03:51 <nebadon> yea
2015-09-01 03:51 <nebadon> i have my moms i3 Toshiba Laptop here
2015-09-01 03:51 <nebadon> it has a old intel gpu
2015-09-01 03:51 <nebadon> it was getting 20fps
2015-09-01 03:52 <nebadon> http://www.toshiba.com/us/computers/laptops/satellite/C850/C855-S5356
2015-09-01 03:52 <nebadon> this machine exactly
2015-09-01 03:53 <nebadon> i upgraded it to Windows 10 using latest firefox release got 20fps on that
2015-09-01 03:54 <nebadon> which is basically what i get at wright plaza on my laptop with Replex viewer
2015-09-01 03:54 <nebadon> lol
2015-09-01 03:55 <nebadon> with draw distance at 1024m
2015-09-01 03:58 <dahlia> ya SL content is (the small batch problem)^2 so no matter how much hardware you throw at it, it's just limited
2015-09-01 03:58 <dahlia> OpenGL 3 has some features which could help
2015-09-01 03:59 <dahlia> but unity would die a horrible death if you threw 4000 textures at it
2015-09-01 04:01 <nebadon> lol ya
2015-09-01 04:02 <nebadon> i was able to have it display about 120 regions worth of terrain and textures no problem
2015-09-01 04:02 <nebadon> 153 textures
2015-09-01 04:02 <nebadon> 153 mesh
2015-09-01 04:03 <nebadon> all textures were 866x866 pixels
2015-09-01 04:04 <nebadon> sorry this one was only 81 regions worth
2015-09-01 04:04 <nebadon> still not too shabby :)
2015-09-01 04:05 <nebadon> 1m resolution 
2015-09-01 04:06 <nebadon> still I think in my current building style
2015-09-01 04:06 <nebadon> with blender only I will be able to display about 1/4 to 1/3 the same amount of content/detail in up to a 1024m2 area
2015-09-01 04:07 <nebadon> if I want 1 big always visible explorable area
2015-09-01 04:08 <dahlia> you need to use this wright plaza :) http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/wrongPlaza.jpg
2015-09-01 04:09 <nebadon> there is just no way unity could do that in webgl
2015-09-01 04:09 <nebadon> hehe
2015-09-01 04:09 <nebadon> without a lot of advanced added programming
2015-09-01 04:10 <dahlia> ya I seriously abused unity when I did that viewer years ago
2015-09-01 04:10 <nebadon> that was unity viewer though right? not webgl
2015-09-01 04:10 <dahlia> still the web plugin blows away emscripten+webgl
2015-09-01 04:10 <nebadon> yea
2015-09-01 04:10 <dahlia> ya it used the plugin
2015-09-01 04:11 <nebadon> unfortunately that is not an option
2015-09-01 04:11 <dahlia> pity
2015-09-01 04:11 <nebadon> alot of people cant install stuff like that in their work environment
2015-09-01 04:11 <dahlia> seems strange everyone is willing to run flash but no other plugins
2015-09-01 04:11 <nebadon> im not even sure they have flash at some of these place
2015-09-01 04:12 <dahlia> even java applets are better than webgl
2015-09-01 04:12 <nebadon> very strict rules and firewalls
2015-09-01 04:12 <nebadon> they need it to work native on port 80
2015-09-01 04:12 <nebadon> heh
2015-09-01 04:12 <dahlia> Ive done opensim content via http port 80
2015-09-01 04:12 <dahlia> it can be done
2015-09-01 04:13 <dahlia> using long polls
2015-09-01 04:13 <dahlia> but unity plugin and long polls = memory issues and GC freezes
2015-09-01 04:13 <dahlia> so content very limited
2015-09-01 04:13 <nebadon> ya
2015-09-01 04:14 <nebadon> im mostly just testing the bounds of webgl
2015-09-01 04:14 <dahlia> so I switched to a custom UDP protocol but they broke UDP in Unity 3
2015-09-01 04:14 <nebadon> we may use unity stuff for something at some point
2015-09-01 04:14 <dahlia> so that viewer died :(
2015-09-01 04:14 <nebadon> but I think our primary focus will be opensim models for a while still
2015-09-01 04:14 <dahlia> killed by the Unity devs
2015-09-01 04:14 <nebadon> ah
2015-09-01 04:15 <dahlia> unity not a bad engine
2015-09-01 04:15 <dahlia> seems they are ditching mono
2015-09-01 04:15 <nebadon> ya I like it mostly
2015-09-01 04:15 <nebadon> for vs?
2015-09-01 04:15 <dahlia> they compile IL to c++
2015-09-01 04:15 <dahlia> so you can still use C#
2015-09-01 04:15 <dahlia> but it turns into c++
2015-09-01 04:16 <nebadon> yea diva said you can even use C# for webgl
2015-09-01 04:16 <nebadon> most i tried initially didnt seem to work
2015-09-01 04:16 <dahlia> why not just use c++ like every other high-end engine
2015-09-01 04:16 <nebadon> but i probably dont know what the hell i am doing\
2015-09-01 04:16 <dahlia> I've used that JSIL thing before but it's buggy as $&%(#
2015-09-01 04:16 <dahlia> so I just do javascript
2015-09-01 04:16 <dahlia> emscripten is really immature
2015-09-01 04:17 <nebadon> whatever unity is doing they are doing a fairly decent job at it
2015-09-01 04:17 <dahlia> and lots of *issues*
2015-09-01 04:17 <nebadon> i just wish the web browsers were doing better
2015-09-01 04:17 <dahlia> my viewer seems to do ok
2015-09-01 04:17 <dahlia> but its all hand coded javascript
2015-09-01 04:18 <nebadon> another thing too
2015-09-01 04:18 <nebadon> my model has zero physics
2015-09-01 04:18 <dahlia> I noticed
2015-09-01 04:18 <nebadon> if you want physics amount of visible content goes waaay down it seems
2015-09-01 04:18 <nebadon> I need to get better educated though
2015-09-01 04:18 <nebadon> as I have no clue what im doing most of the time
2015-09-01 04:18 <nebadon> kind of learning as I go
2015-09-01 04:19 <nebadon> living in the 32 bit bubble sucks for sure though
2015-09-01 04:19 <nebadon> hopefully 32 bit chrome improves though
2015-09-01 04:19 <nebadon> that was really the first viewer obstacle i hit was 32 bit chrome
2015-09-01 04:20 <nebadon> if the goal is everyone that sets the mark with no more than 512mb
2015-09-01 04:21 <nebadon> maybe some kind of hackaround, but i wouldnt want to rely on that
2015-09-01 04:21 <dahlia> you could fit that model in 512 mb but unity may not make it easy for you
2015-09-01 04:21 <dahlia> need instancing
2015-09-01 04:21 <nebadon> ya that model is very incomplete still too though
2015-09-01 04:22 <nebadon> ya im mostly poking at how much can absolutely be displayed without any form of object culling
2015-09-01 04:24 <dahlia> if I can get 130 animated physical characters walking around in a web browser, unity (and opensim) should be able to also http://di01.wwweb3d.net/AGame.html
2015-09-01 04:25 <nebadon> linux firefox crashed on that
2015-09-01 04:25 <dahlia> heh
2015-09-01 04:26 <dahlia> ff is leaky, prolly borked from running too many webgl apps
2015-09-01 04:26 <dahlia> restart it :)
2015-09-01 04:27 <dahlia> thats 130 physical animated characters, a vehicle, pathfinding and ai running in a single thread in a browser
2015-09-01 04:28 <nebadon> ya
2015-09-01 04:30 <dahlia> uses bullet
2015-09-01 04:31 <nebadon> I have a lot to learn still
2015-09-01 04:32 <nebadon> but its encouraging how far I got with so little knowledge of unity
2015-09-01 04:32 <dahlia> ya they do a pretty good job
2015-09-01 04:32 <nebadon> it reminds me of early flash
2015-09-01 04:32 <nebadon> when macromedia had it still
2015-09-01 04:33 <nebadon> its like 3D flash :) but better
2015-09-01 04:33 <dahlia> I wrote a simple shared virtual world server in python for use with unity
2015-09-01 04:34 <dahlia> lemme see if I can find it
2015-09-01 04:34 <nebadon> nice
2015-09-01 04:36 <dahlia> GRRRR
2015-09-01 04:36 <dahlia> they broke the web plugin
2015-09-01 04:36 <dahlia> http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/UDP_webTest_di.html
2015-09-01 04:36 <dahlia> 2.x not supported any more :(
2015-09-01 04:36 <nebadon> ah ya this machine is linux
2015-09-01 04:37 <dahlia> oh I guess they still dont have a web player for linux?
2015-09-01 04:37 <dahlia> guess they finally had to fix that gaping security hole in the 2.x api
2015-09-01 04:38 <dahlia> (the one I was using)
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2015-09-01 11:34 <osmantis> Bug #7705:04 [PATCH] Changes to .ini.example files to improve instructions and workflow for standalone setups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7705 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-01 11:36 <osmantis> Bug #7705:04 [PATCH] Changes to .ini.example files to improve instructions and workflow for standalone setups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7705 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-09-01 14:20 <osmantis> Bug #7709:04 Refers to closed bug (unable to reopen) (0029003) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7709 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-01 15:10 <diva> misterblue, about ExtendedPhysics: does that work with any physics engine or is it just for Bullet?
2015-09-01 15:15 <diva> hmm it seems very much coupled with Bullet, down to method names. Now that the physics plugins are region modules, I think it makes sense to add this one to the Bullet dll, instead of being in optional modules
2015-09-01 15:22 <osmantis> Bug #7706:04 DestinationGuide Override in Simulator Not Operational 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7706 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007705.
2015-09-01 15:22 <osmantis> Bug #7705:04 [PATCH] Changes to .ini.example files to improve instructions and workflow for standalone setups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7705 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007706.
2015-09-01 15:24 <osmantis> Bug #7706:04 DestinationGuide Override in Simulator Not Operational 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7706 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-01 15:31 <osmantis> Bug #7706:04 DestinationGuide override on a per simulator basis not operational, and not working at all for Standalone 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7706 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-09-01 15:33 <osmantis> Bug #7710:04 [PATCH] AllowedClients and DeniedClients configuration examples corrected and clarified 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7710 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-01 15:35 <osmantis> Bug #7710:04 [PATCH] AllowedClients and DeniedClients configuration examples corrected and clarified 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7710 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-09-01 17:46 <MarcusLlewellyn> For those who can't attend, or or otherwise interested, I intend to live stream the OpenSim Dev Meeting on YouTube today. An archive of the broadcast will also be availble shortly after.
2015-09-01 17:46 <MarcusLlewellyn> The URL is: http://www.youtube.com/c/MarcusLlewellyn/live
2015-09-01 17:59 <nebadon> cool
2015-09-01 18:02 <Dev_Random> youtube needs pan & zoom.
2015-09-01 18:08 <MarcusLlewellyn> Grrr. My chat loh sanitizer is crashingon HG names. I've switched to the raw log. Less pretty, but dependable.
2015-09-01 18:08 <MarcusLlewellyn> log == log
2015-09-01 18:11 <osmantis> Bug #7709:04 Refers to closed bug (unable to reopen) (0029003) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7709 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-01 19:33 <SilverWhitefish> Here is very good documentory on particle physics0,00https://yts.to/movie/particle-fever-2013
2015-09-01 19:33 <SilverWhitefish> https://yts.to/movie/particle-fever-2013
2015-09-01 21:48 <Plugh> nebadon: ping
2015-09-01 21:51 <nebadon> hey Plugh
2015-09-01 21:53 <Plugh> I was just looking at the DB structure of osprofile vs V2 and AFAICT, they are the same.
2015-09-01 21:54 <Plugh> I was looking at OpenSim/Data/MySQL/Resources/UserProfiles.migrations and comparing it to the table of my Standalone.
2015-09-01 21:54 <nebadon> k cool
2015-09-01 21:55 <Plugh> Do you have a log of a specific error message re: osprofile vs V2? Is it an error or an exception?
2015-09-01 21:57 <Plugh> Sheesh... this cat is getting really insistent that I go see him today. Second time he keeps calling for me.
2015-09-01 21:57 <Plugh> bbiab.
2015-09-01 22:05 <Plugh> I'm back
2015-09-01 22:08 <nebadon> hey sorry got distracted
2015-09-01 22:08 <nebadon> wrestling with my dads laptop
2015-09-01 22:08 <Plugh> hm... useruuid in osprofile and V2 is only a varchar(36). If there is a problem with profiles with HG users it may be due to that field being too small. IIRC, for HG use, avatar UUID's should be varchar(255).
2015-09-01 22:08 <Plugh> ok, np. I was dealing with a cat wanting me.
2015-09-01 22:08 <nebadon> oh ya maybe hmm
2015-09-01 22:08 <Melanie_> avatar uuids are ALWAYS 36 chars
2015-09-01 22:08 <Plugh> yes, they are locally. 
2015-09-01 22:08 <Melanie_> and should in fact be char(36), not varchar
2015-09-01 22:09 <Melanie_> as that incurs 5 byte overhead
2015-09-01 22:09 <Melanie_> Plugh: avatar uuids are UUIDS
2015-09-01 22:09 <Melanie_> they are defined as 36 chars and can't be anything else without becoming something different from uuids
2015-09-01 22:10 <Melanie_> therefore the field should not have "uuid" in it's name unless it is to be a uuid
2015-09-01 22:10 <Melanie_> so, useruuid char(36)
2015-09-01 22:10 <Plugh> There are some tables that use more than 36 bytes to reference an avatar when grid is enabled for HG.
2015-09-01 22:10 <Melanie_> or userid varchar(255)
2015-09-01 22:11 <Melanie_> Plugh: yes, but then the columns aren't named *uuid*
2015-09-01 22:11 <Melanie_> if the col name contains UUID is must be a UUID 
2015-09-01 22:11 <Plugh> ok.
2015-09-01 22:11 <Melanie_> anything else is confusing and will cause errors based on people assuming it is a uuid
2015-09-01 22:12 <Plugh> makes sense.
2015-09-01 22:13 <Plugh> nebadon: Have you posted todays meeting log?
2015-09-01 22:14 <Plugh> nm, found it.
2015-09-01 22:16 <nebadon> im trying to see if i can generate the error
2015-09-01 22:16 <Plugh> ok
2015-09-01 22:17 <nebadon> interestingly I cant
2015-09-01 22:17 <Plugh> I'll be going afk for dinner before too much longer.
2015-09-01 22:17 <nebadon> i cant see profile though
2015-09-01 22:17 <nebadon> but no error on region console like ive seen before
2015-09-01 22:17 <Plugh> hmm...
2015-09-01 22:19 <nebadon> i will keep trying
2015-09-01 22:19 <Plugh> Aine Said you could clear all of the floater messages at once. No idea how you do that in the viewer.
2015-09-01 22:19 <Plugh> ok.
2015-09-01 22:19 <nebadon> yea i need to try with firestorm
2015-09-01 22:19 <nebadon> i suspect singularity / replex dont cause problems
2015-09-01 22:20 <Plugh> I see four fields in userprofile table that are varchar(36) and should be char(36)
2015-09-01 22:22 <Plugh> nebadon: Let me know if you find anything. I'm going to resume working on a 3D model in the time remaining before dinner.
2015-09-01 22:23 <nebadon> k
2015-09-01 22:24 <osmantis> Bug #7709:04 Refers to closed bug (unable to reopen) (0029003) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7709 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-01 22:25 <Plugh> 
ACTION really needs to get a 6" digital caliper to measure some small parts instead using the 12" one.

2015-09-01 22:31 <Plugh> dinner is ready. bbl.
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2015-09-02 01:30 <dahlia> wow pricey http://modemworld.me/2015/09/02/bright-canopy-positive-response-forces-change-of-direction/
2015-09-02 01:31 <nebadon> ya i knew it was 17$ this is first Ive seen how much time you get
2015-09-02 01:31 <nebadon> 20 hours
2015-09-02 01:32 <nebadon> like 1.15$ an hour
2015-09-02 01:32 <nebadon> its nice they charge per minute
2015-09-02 01:32 <nebadon> they must have worked out a deal with amazon
2015-09-02 01:33 <nebadon> straight up ec2 with video cards is generally on a per hour basis
2015-09-02 01:33 <nebadon> appstream wasnt though
2015-09-02 01:36 <Plugh> So new subscription rate is 78 cents an hour.
2015-09-02 01:36 <Plugh> above the 20 hours.
2015-09-02 01:36 <Plugh> I suppose that isn't too bad but 20 hours can go by very quickly.
2015-09-02 01:36 <nebadon> yea
2015-09-02 01:37 <nebadon> it wouldnt be an efficient primary means of metaversing
2015-09-02 01:37 <nebadon> good backup though
2015-09-02 01:37 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-09-02 01:47 <nebadon> for Encitra it could be a stop gap measure for getting around strict government/corporate firewalls
2015-09-02 01:47 <nebadon> one of the downsides of opensim is all the ports required
2015-09-02 01:47 <nebadon> its been challenging to get these offices to change their firewalls
2015-09-02 01:48 <dahlia> 
ACTION has a firewall-friendly protocol back in the archives somewhere

2015-09-02 01:48 <nebadon> did that work with standard viewers?
2015-09-02 01:48 <nebadon> or was that for alternative viewers?
2015-09-02 01:49 <dahlia> my first unity viewer
2015-09-02 01:50 <dahlia> LL and IBM were planning a similar protocol and I implemented it first
2015-09-02 01:50 <dahlia> but they abandoned their plans
2015-09-02 01:50 <nebadon> even so on a really big grid like encitra
2015-09-02 01:50 <nebadon> would be hard to make the entire grid be on port 80
2015-09-02 01:50 <dahlia> not at all
2015-09-02 01:50 <dahlia> google is all on 80 :P
2015-09-02 01:50 <dahlia> and youtube
2015-09-02 01:51 <dahlia> and the rest of the web for that matter
2015-09-02 01:51 <nebadon> ya would have to reverse proxy everything
2015-09-02 01:51 <nebadon> stuff like hypergrid might get tricky
2015-09-02 01:52 <nebadon> I was thinking of using gridproxy some how
2015-09-02 01:52 <dahlia> actually teleporting between regions was very good, much better than current protocols
2015-09-02 01:52 <dahlia> regardless of which grid
2015-09-02 01:52 <nebadon> nice
2015-09-02 02:14 <diva> I'm not sure how we could connect several clients through port 80
2015-09-02 02:14 <diva> with gridprox
2015-09-02 02:14 <diva> with gridproxy
2015-09-02 02:15 <diva> I guess I'd have to implement a special grid proxy
2015-09-02 02:15 <diva> I actually don't know if libomv's gridproxy hanbdles multiple connections
2015-09-02 02:16 <nebadon> yea I am not sure either
2015-09-02 02:16 <nebadon> might be possible to do it all with nginx
2015-09-02 02:16 <diva> I'm not sure
2015-09-02 02:17 <diva> these cnnetions are statefull
2015-09-02 02:17 <diva> you can't just dispatch requests to backend servers in ad-hoc fashion; the connections need to be preserved (I think)
2015-09-02 02:17 <nebadon> yea I can see how it could be done for robust
2015-09-02 02:17 <nebadon> but not regions
2015-09-02 02:18 <diva> yeah robust is just http, stateless
2015-09-02 02:18 <diva> I think I'd need to develop a version of the gridproxy that handles multiple connections, if it doesn't already do it
2015-09-02 02:19 <diva> it might be worth implementing it! The networking issues of this system are a complete nightmare for corporate uses
2015-09-02 02:19 <diva> lkalif does libomv's gridproxy handle multiple connections from clients?
2015-09-02 02:32 <dahlia> diva: you can run multiple instances
2015-09-02 02:32 <diva> on different ports...
2015-09-02 02:32 <dahlia> ya
2015-09-02 02:33 <diva> right, that's what I don't want
2015-09-02 02:33 <dahlia> were you trying to share a login?
2015-09-02 02:33 <diva> no. I want all users to connect to port 80 and port 80 only
2015-09-02 02:34 <dahlia> you would need to extend gridproxy then I think
2015-09-02 02:34 <diva> yea
2015-09-02 02:35 <diva> IO might need to package a grid proxy with the viewers too
2015-09-02 02:35 <diva> *I
2015-09-02 02:36 <dahlia> I vaguely remember looking into that once, some school was asking if I could develop a proxy that would restrict access to only certain grids but it didnt go thru and I dont think I saved whatever test code I did
2015-09-02 02:37 <diva> so ad-hoc UDP+TCP viewer --> local proxy chanelling everything to port 80 --> remote proxy on port 80 --> ad-hoc UDP+TCP servers
2015-09-02 02:37 <dahlia> well udp is connectionless so ports are used ad-hoc
2015-09-02 02:38 <dahlia> but tcp could share 80 I guess
2015-09-02 02:38 <dahlia> gridproxy creates udp ports for every sim
2015-09-02 02:40 <diva> I think that the major reason why ppl want a "web viewer" is not that they want a viewer on the web browser; it's that the networking needs to use port 80 only
2015-09-02 02:40 <dahlia> not sure I agree
2015-09-02 02:40 <diva> if you have an independent program that uses port 80 only you'll address 95% of what ppl really need
2015-09-02 02:40 <dahlia> I think people want a web viewer so they can have people go to their sims without having to install a client
2015-09-02 02:41 <diva> I thought so too, but I changed my mind about the problem. The problem is the network. Ppl install programs all the time
2015-09-02 02:41 <dahlia> and often firewalls that restrict to 80 also restrict udp
2015-09-02 02:41 <diva> yes
2015-09-02 02:41 <diva> when I say port 8- I mean port 80 TCP
2015-09-02 02:42 <dahlia> well you mean 80 http
2015-09-02 02:42 <diva> no, I mean TCP
2015-09-02 02:42 <dahlia> pretty sure firewalls also parse and restrict tcp traffic
2015-09-02 02:42 <dahlia> so http
2015-09-02 02:43 <diva> I don't think they do
2015-09-02 02:43 <dahlia> I do 
2015-09-02 02:43 <dahlia> otherwise just use socks
2015-09-02 02:43 <diva> thats what http does. 1 per request
2015-09-02 02:44 <dahlia> I think a lot of viewers also have socks proxies built in but not sure the code works
2015-09-02 02:44 <dahlia> well I've had websocket connections fail on 80 thru corporate firewalls
2015-09-02 02:44 <dahlia> and they are tcp
2015-09-02 02:45 <dahlia> most http proxies Ive seen only pass http
2015-09-02 02:45 <dahlia> and they do stuff like cache and censor
2015-09-02 02:45 <dahlia> and log ;)
2015-09-02 02:47 <diva> well, now that websockets are around, it's going to be more common to let TCP traffic flow through port 80
2015-09-02 02:47 <dahlia> but websockets are http initially
2015-09-02 02:47 <dahlia> they get "promoted" 
2015-09-02 02:47 <diva> we'd have to mimic
2015-09-02 02:48 <diva> or use a websocket library already between the client-side proxy and the server-side proxy
2015-09-02 02:48 <dahlia> only thing I know that works thru paranoid firewalls is http or long-poll
2015-09-02 02:48 <dahlia> and maybe socks (if one is privileged)
2015-09-02 02:49 <diva> basically we need to get rid of all this fancy networking
2015-09-02 02:49 <dahlia> I agree :)
2015-09-02 02:49 <diva> having a viewer that works on port 80 between machine bounndaries would do 95% of what people need
2015-09-02 02:50 <dahlia> it would do what those behind restrictive firewalls need, I agree
2015-09-02 02:50 <diva> so if it's too complicated to change the viewer, we can add a local proxy
2015-09-02 02:50 <dahlia> I dont agree that it would do what people who want to experience without installing a client want
2015-09-02 02:52 <dahlia> the long-poll was part of eventqueueget, assuming EQG could replace UDP at some point so they could traverse draconian firewalls
2015-09-02 02:52 <dahlia> and EQG messages can somewhat easily replace UDP messages, by design
2015-09-02 02:52 <dahlia> so you're half way there
2015-09-02 02:52 <dahlia> this was LL's design goal for EQG
2015-09-02 02:53 <dahlia> well one of the goals
2015-09-02 02:53 <dahlia> can probably find info on it by searching zero linden office hours logs on SL wiki
2015-09-02 02:54 <dahlia> or maybe even the IETF mailing list logs for VWRAP
2015-09-02 02:54 <linkedinyou> diva: dahlia: when i run a server local on a dedicated server online 0.0.0.0:8080 and want to uses it for debugging online i do myip:8080 question is this had to use tcp or http to make access for my debugging online
2015-09-02 02:55 <dahlia> linkedinyou: I think some of the login stuff is XML-RPC
2015-09-02 02:55 <dahlia> not sure
2015-09-02 02:56 <dahlia> it changed to http once but I think it was buggy and they fell back
2015-09-02 02:56 <dahlia> lkalif probably knows better
2015-09-02 02:57 <linkedinyou> i am using the python framework which runserver for me as it is the UI manager of opensim and i am trying to debug betweeb opensim and python it idid not allow me accessing 
2015-09-02 02:57 <dahlia> I'm not familiar with any of htat
2015-09-02 02:57 <dahlia> *that
2015-09-02 02:57 <linkedinyou> called django
2015-09-02 02:58 <dahlia> isnt that a CMS?
2015-09-02 02:58 <linkedinyou> #django nice community hhahah
2015-09-02 02:58 <dahlia> 
ACTION is no webbie

2015-09-02 02:59 <diva> dahlia I agree that for casual viewing, a no-install viewer is important. but for intentional viewing, that is, for people who have a vested interest in seeing these environments, networking is the single most serious obstacle 
2015-09-02 03:00 <dahlia> diva: 2 different use cases :)
2015-09-02 03:00 <diva> yes
2015-09-02 03:01 <dahlia> probably with some overlap, ofteh people who are behind restrictive firewalls are also not able to install software 
2015-09-02 03:01 <dahlia> anyway EQG
2015-09-02 03:01 <diva> they are
2015-09-02 03:01 <diva> installing the viewer is never a problem
2015-09-02 03:01 <diva> the problem is the networking
2015-09-02 03:02 <diva> they run the viewer and then they can't connect
2015-09-02 03:03 <dahlia> well I've seen installations that restrict installing software but.. ya networking can also be a problem
2015-09-02 03:03 <dahlia> anyway these firewall proxies are extremely sophisticated
2015-09-02 03:04 <diva> for the commercial and institutional uses I am most familiar with, installing the viewer has never been a problem
2015-09-02 03:04 <diva> like, ever
2015-09-02 03:04 <dahlia> ok :)
2015-09-02 03:04 <linkedinyou> dahlia: ISP for 4G and 3G RESITRICT  all port excepts those freindly using by users and you can not run other ports this is why we need common used ports
2015-09-02 03:04 <diva> networking, on th other hand, is *always* a problem
2015-09-02 03:05 <dahlia> linkedinyou: I dont have a problem logging into SL over 3G
2015-09-02 03:05 <linkedinyou> but you can not forword a port on 3G
2015-09-02 03:05 <dahlia> I can run a vpn thru 3G
2015-09-02 03:06 <dahlia> I can do ssh tunneling thru 3G
2015-09-02 03:07 <dahlia> if my phone wasn't so ancient, I could probably do it thru 4G
2015-09-02 03:07 <linkedinyou> dahlia: and then people can login to your sim using the 3G
2015-09-02 03:07 <dahlia> well I wouldn't run a sim thru 3G
2015-09-02 03:08 <dahlia> 3G upload speed is like 1mbs max
2015-09-02 03:08 <linkedinyou> yes slow
2015-09-02 03:49 <dahlia> diva: partial reference here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Zero_Linden/Office_Hours/2008_October_14
2015-09-02 03:59 <dahlia> I know I've heard from lindens that EQG is designed to replace UDP with a firewall-friendly protocol but having trouble finding it
2015-09-02 03:59 <dahlia> still looking...
2015-09-02 04:00 <diva> well long-poll is a well known technique
2015-09-02 04:00 <diva> it is/was used all over the web for server-initiated comms
2015-09-02 04:01 <diva> that's one of the drivers of websockets
2015-09-02 04:01 <diva> but now that websockets are around, the need for it is lessened
2015-09-02 04:01 <dahlia> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OGP_Base
2015-09-02 04:02 <diva> misterblue: did you have the chance to look at the physmodules branch?
2015-09-02 04:02 <dahlia> ya but websockets require that the firewall allow "promotion"
2015-09-02 04:02 <dahlia> which Ive seen fail on corporate firewalls
2015-09-02 04:03 <dahlia> there are javascript websocket wrappers that fall back to long poll to get around this
2015-09-02 04:04 <dahlia> anyway I can't claim to be up to date on all this ;)
2015-09-02 04:13 <dahlia> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/IDs/draft-ietf-vwrap-foundation-00.txt describes it better
2015-09-02 04:13 <dahlia> anyway I quit bugging you about it now :)
2015-09-02 04:16 <diva> I'm making some pictures explaining the software architecture of opensim... it's complicated...
2015-09-02 04:16 <dahlia> lol
2015-09-02 04:19 <diva> and pondering whether we should also use mono addin extension points for the data storage dlls... not that I have the courage to change it now, but it sure would make the explanation a lot simpler!
2015-09-02 04:22 <dahlia> lkalif was mentioning some .NET alternative he uses in Radegast
2015-09-02 04:22 <dahlia> which can also do c# scripting
2015-09-02 04:23 <diva> alternative to what?
2015-09-02 04:23 <dahlia> but I know nothing about either
2015-09-02 04:23 <diva> plugins?
2015-09-02 04:23 <dahlia> mono addins I think
2015-09-02 04:23 <diva> I looked at a .net plugin mechanism, but I remember I didn't like it
2015-09-02 04:23 <diva> I don't know why, but that was my conclusion
2015-09-02 04:24 <dahlia> I cant say what/why, best to ask him
2015-09-02 04:24 <diva> mono addins are alright
2015-09-02 04:24 <diva> and they provide the extra packaging system
2015-09-02 04:25 <diva> which is nice
2015-09-02 04:26 <diva> basically that's the main reason why I started to like mono addins more than our roll-your-own dll loader
2015-09-02 04:26 <diva> mono addins already have the package manager system in place
2015-09-02 04:26 <diva> whereas roll-our-own doesn't
2015-09-02 04:27 <diva> in order to facilitate 3rd party plugin distribution we need a package system in place
2015-09-02 04:31 <dahlia> ya I know little to nothing about it other than it seems to work :)
2015-09-02 04:31 <linkedinyou> diva: please look at this http://s2.postimg.org/vgmb8ava1/hifi_system_architecture.png it is philip architecture for hifi dose the domain server  having the concept of hyoergrid and the HG is missing something
2015-09-02 04:32 <linkedinyou> and here http://s9.postimg.org/9v9v9yfyn/hifi_authentication_flow.png
2015-09-02 04:35 <linkedinyou> diva: architecture of video game engine network  >> some other helpfull architecture diagrams here https://www.google.com.sa/search?q=architecture+of+video+game+engine+network&rlz=1C1CHWA_enAE643AE643&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAWoVChMIitXX-sLXxwIVSV0UCh1QPAXR
2015-09-02 04:38 <diva> we really ought to streamline all these plugin mechanisms... It makes it very hard to explain what's going on
2015-09-02 04:41 <linkedinyou> i am hardly trying to figure out the difference between LL simulator and hifi
2015-09-02 04:43 <diva> my interest in hifi is close to zero
2015-09-02 04:45 <diva> as in, it's yet another virtual world designed to make someone some money
2015-09-02 04:46 <diva> yawn
2015-09-02 04:46 <linkedinyou> i tried to use hifi .. it was hard for my slow internet to manage that but still like digging in new technology becouse i was woundering why Sony company had bought the SLGO what so special in there  .. is just like to know
2015-09-02 04:46 <linkedinyou> but he still able to finnance him self and sell products
2015-09-02 04:50 <diva> OpenSim architecture in 3 pictures: http://postimg.org/gallery/zcfwbr96/6cb0cec6/
2015-09-02 04:50 <diva> software architecture
2015-09-02 04:53 <dahlia> yay white on black :D
2015-09-02 04:53 <dahlia> can doxygen do that?
2015-09-02 04:55 <diva> no!
2015-09-02 04:55 <diva> manual drawing in PPT
2015-09-02 04:57 <diva> no tool would be able to understand mono extension points, unless it was designed with mono addins in mind
2015-09-02 04:57 <linkedinyou> this is how http udp used http://s28.postimg.org/w0fqbx0i5/original.png
2015-09-02 04:57 <diva> NN
2015-09-02 04:57 <dahlia> nn
2015-09-02 08:48 <osmantis> Bug #7709:04 Refers to closed bug (unable to reopen) (0029003) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7709 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-02 08:50 <osmantis> Bug #7709:04 Simulator Framerate Reporting - Refers to closed bug (unable to reopen) (0029003) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7709 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-09-02 09:21 <djphil> Hello, I try to ask my simulator (attached to a grid) to generate maptiles and place them in the bin/maptiles but it seems that is not possible directly from a silk simulator. It seems that only silk Robust able to do this, which is somewhat surprising.
2015-09-02 09:21 <djphil> Can you tell me if a simulator can also create maptiles in bin/maptiles? Or, is there a console command to do this? Thank you in advance. I also want to point out that the information on the map module are not correct in the wiki opensim.
2015-09-02 11:58 <osmantis> Bug #7706:04 DestinationGuide override on a per simulator basis not operational, and not working at all for Standalone 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7706 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-02 11:58 <osmantis> Bug #7706:04 DestinationGuide override on a per simulator basis not operational 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7706 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-09-02 17:55 <gamucf> Hi everyone....we are progressing on our PhysX work well and have reached a point where we are trying to add some nunit tests.  However, we seem to get an error when we include our native C++ physX dll and our plugin into nunit.  Anybody ever have any similar issues with it?
2015-09-02 17:57 <diva> paste the error? Use this: http://pastebin.com/
2015-09-03 00:33 <diva> misterblue ping
2015-09-03 01:26 <misterblue> diva, pong
2015-09-03 01:37 <misterblue> 
ACTION wanders off

2015-09-03 02:12 <linux> hello 
2015-09-03 02:13 <linux> Is IPv6 on the roadmap for OS ?
2015-09-03 02:43 <diva> hi misterblue. Did you have a chance to look at the physmodules branch? I think it's ready to merge, but I'd like you to take a look to make sure things are in the right places
2015-09-03 02:55 <dahlia> linux: not unless viewers adopt it
2015-09-03 02:55 <diva> I moved the ExtendedPhysics module into the Bullet dll because it had strong ties to it
2015-09-03 03:19 <CmdrCupcake> dahlia: We're not closed to the idea of ipv6 <.<;
2015-09-03 05:12 <Ken_S> Something is totally screwed up related to appearance in the latest Singularity alpha builds.
2015-09-03 05:12 <Ken_S> My AV looks like a cartoon almost with huge eyes, and strange shape.
2015-09-03 05:13 <Ken_S> Clearing cache doesnt help.
2015-09-03 05:13 <Ken_S> But shape is totally normal in FS or older versions of Sing.
2015-09-03 05:14 <Ken_S> The latest Sing alphas are also giving me 5-6 popup messages everytime I TP saying something may be wrong with appearance assets.
2015-09-03 05:15 <Ken_S> Going back to an old version of Singularity or will use FS until this is fixed.
2015-09-03 05:20 <LiruCookies> Okay, have fun.
2015-09-03 05:28 <Ken_S> I have no choice. People are laughing at my AV.
2015-09-03 05:30 <LiruCookies> We're aware of the issue, but yeah, just roll back
2015-09-03 05:37 <Ken_S> OK, thanks! Good to know its not just me.
2015-09-03 14:37 <gamucf> Here is the error we get when we try to run Nunit with our PhysX wrapper (so it has native C++ code).  http://imgur.com/Ker16Ao.  We've already made sure that everything compiles in the same architecture.  Any suggestions or things to check are appreciated!
2015-09-03 14:41 <Plugh> My first thought is whether the tests are being run from a directory other than one containing the mentioned DLL file.
2015-09-03 16:15 <Youssef> Hi I m looking for a detailled architecture of openSimulator with different protocoles can you help me please ?
2015-09-03 17:45 <diva> misterblue one more ping pong :) basically I'm waiting for you to take a look at the physmodules branch to make sure I didn't do any damage to the physics modules. Things work but it's good that you take a look at the code.
2015-09-03 18:34 <diva> Melanie_ the lower right part of this picture needs to go: http://imagebin.ca/v/2EP3UALCfS9G
2015-09-03 18:36 <diva> I can move it to be a region module for now. It's really bugging me
2015-09-03 18:43 <Melanie_> you mean the client?
2015-09-03 18:43 <Melanie_> why does that bother you so much that you would want to invest work that would likely be for naught
2015-09-03 18:44 <Melanie_> the new system i'm working on will make it a region module anyway but not using IClientAPI 
2015-09-03 18:44 <Melanie_> well, rather, using IClientAPI but with a migration path away from it
2015-09-03 18:44 <diva> because I don't know how long it will take you to do the more radical thing, and this just pains me
2015-09-03 18:44 <Melanie_> you'd make the real work more complicated
2015-09-03 18:44 <Melanie_> so it's beter to just lave it for now
2015-09-03 18:45 <diva> why more complicated?
2015-09-03 18:45 <Melanie_> hmmm
2015-09-03 18:45 <Melanie_> otoh...
2015-09-03 18:45 <Melanie_> can you write up, in a few lines, how you'd go about it?
2015-09-03 18:45 <diva> same way I went on with physivs
2015-09-03 18:45 <diva> same way I went on with physics
2015-09-03 18:45 <Melanie_> it may be that your effort could be a first step in the greater effort to change the data interfaces
2015-09-03 18:46 <diva> just take it out of where it is being created, and make it a region module
2015-09-03 18:46 <diva> I wouldn't touch ICLientAPI
2015-09-03 18:46 <Melanie_> so you just want to reqrap it?
2015-09-03 18:46 <Melanie_> rewrap
2015-09-03 18:46 <diva> cos that's a can of worms. But it should be straightforward to move the instantiation of this code from where it is to being a region module
2015-09-03 18:46 <Melanie_> you'd also have to rewrap the other client modules
2015-09-03 18:46 <Melanie_> irc, mock, etc
2015-09-03 18:47 <diva> Those are modules already
2015-09-03 18:47 <Melanie_> ok
2015-09-03 18:47 <Melanie_> then that should not be a hindrance for me
2015-09-03 18:47 <diva> yeah, I don't think it will. On the contrary
2015-09-03 18:47 <diva> the less one-off things we have the better
2015-09-03 18:48 <diva> ok, let me see if I run into traps in doing it
2015-09-03 18:49 <diva> it would be nice if the viewer also had a similar architecture
2015-09-03 18:49 <diva> so adding features would be as simple as adding amodule on the viewer side and a module on the server side
2015-09-03 18:51 <diva> or better yet, a module on the server side that would send a module-of-sorts in JavaScript to the viewer
2015-09-03 19:38 <nebadon> diva cant you just drop dlls into the viewer and they get loaded?
2015-09-03 19:38 <nebadon> I have a shader app that does that
2015-09-03 19:38 <nebadon> lets me add shaders to the Replex viewer
2015-09-03 19:38 <diva> what dlls?
2015-09-03 19:38 <H-H-H> there is a plugin system but not sure if it would do what you want as im just butting in sorry :)
2015-09-03 19:38 <nebadon> into the viewer directory
2015-09-03 19:39 <diva> what API?
2015-09-03 19:39 <nebadon> oh i have no idea im just saying getting the viewer to load dlls shouldnt be hard
2015-09-03 19:39 <diva> :) it's hard if it's not prepared to do it in a generic manner. It depends on what the viewer does wrt plugins
2015-09-03 19:40 <nebadon> yea that I am not sure
2015-09-03 19:40 <H-H-H> dive i dont know exactly but i remember from building the viewer it builds several plugins including one called example plugin
2015-09-03 19:40 <H-H-H> feck lol diva^ sorry
2015-09-03 19:41 <H-H-H> this pc doesnt have a viewer dev env set up yet or i would look
2015-09-03 19:45 <TheCrustyCowboy> I'm running Opensim as a standalone program, one that I can practice building on my own without the Second Life lag. Everytime I log on to Opensim through the viewer, after a few minutes, the avatar will move on it's own. It will fly or walk to the left or right and I can't control it. Any thoughts? I've already asked in #opensim
2015-09-03 19:46 <H-H-H> possibly network latency maybe
2015-09-03 19:49 <TheCrustyCowboy> How can I resolve that issue?
2015-09-03 20:00 <paulie_Flomar>  TheCrustyCowboy, are you using a wireless keyboard? I have seen that issue ocur with 2 different wireless keyboards I have used. Tapping a cursor key seems to stop it, temporarily. 
2015-09-03 20:00 <TheCrustyCowboy> No wireless keyboard. All of my stuff is wired.
2015-09-03 20:01 <nebadon> its very likely a network issue of some kind
2015-09-03 20:02 <nebadon> how to fix it there is no easy answer to that, many factors
2015-09-03 20:02 <TheCrustyCowboy> ok
2015-09-03 20:03 <nebadon> maybe firewall, maybe your router
2015-09-03 20:03 <nebadon> not knowing how you have things setup makes it hard to determine where the problem is
2015-09-03 20:05 <paulie_Flomar> Does it occur with different clients, Singularity,Firestorm, Alchemy, etc?
2015-09-03 20:05 <TheCrustyCowboy> It's all on one computer. I built a very powerful desktop last year and the viewer and Opensim are on the same computer. I just recently started having problems.
2015-09-03 20:10 <dahlia> in order to move, the sim has to receive a AgentUpdate with movement keys state set to true. Lag won't do this
2015-09-03 20:10 <dahlia> something is sending movement
2015-09-03 20:11 <dahlia> maybe a stuck key or something
2015-09-03 20:11 <TheCrustyCowboy> no not stuck
2015-09-03 20:11 <dahlia> I had this problem before, was a bad key on my keyboard
2015-09-03 20:11 <dahlia> well something has to send an AgentUpdate with movement key state. Lag will not do this
2015-09-03 20:12 <nebadon> I have seen it though where if you are moving or flying and loose connection to simulator
2015-09-03 20:12 <dahlia> one other way might be physics
2015-09-03 20:12 <nebadon> you can float for a bit
2015-09-03 20:12 <nebadon> before viewer turns grey and shows disconnect
2015-09-03 20:13 <dahlia> thats probably just dead reckoning
2015-09-03 20:13 <nebadon> guess you could tell by typing "show users" on console
2015-09-03 20:13 <nebadon> and see if your user is connected still or not
2015-09-03 20:13 <dahlia> if you use ODE physics, sometimes the terrain collisions mess up and the avatar will move or fall into the ground
2015-09-03 20:14 <dahlia> usually on a slope
2015-09-03 20:14 <H-H-H> ive seen rubberbanding look like this before
2015-09-03 20:15 <dahlia> rubberbanding assumes you were moving
2015-09-03 20:15 <dahlia> if you were still, it wont make you move
2015-09-03 20:16 <TheCrustyCowboy> I'm usually walking or flying when it happens
2015-09-03 20:17 <H-H-H> yes true but i didnt think TheCountryCowby stated he was still just that after a few minutes the av would move on its own
2015-09-03 20:17 <dahlia> TheCrustyCowboy: were you standing still and the avatar moved on it's own?
2015-09-03 20:19 <dahlia> "after a few minutes, the avatar will move on it's own."
2015-09-03 20:20 <TheCrustyCowboy> moving
2015-09-03 20:20 <dahlia> so you were moving?
2015-09-03 20:21 <TheCrustyCowboy> walking and flying
2015-09-03 20:21 <dahlia> ok then probably is lag for whatever reason
2015-09-03 20:21 <dahlia> viewer and sim on same computer?
2015-09-03 20:22 <TheCrustyCowboy> yes. I built this computer to be powerful. I've never had issues before now.
2015-09-03 20:23 <dahlia> maybe look at the opensim process in top or task manager or whatever tool your OS has
2015-09-03 20:23 <dahlia> see if it's using a lot of cpu
2015-09-03 20:24 <TheCrustyCowboy> not much cpu at all
2015-09-03 20:25 <dahlia> when you are having the problem
2015-09-03 20:31 <dahlia> TheCrustyCowboy: also if you are using mono, make sure you set the MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU environment variable to a sufficiently high number, like 1000 or more
2015-09-03 21:38 <TheCrustyCowboy> I don't know what mono is. That's a linux thing, isn't it? I'm using Windows 8.1 I'm trying to learn how to use Ubuntu
2015-09-03 21:41 <osmantis> Bug #7714:04 Opensimulator crashes on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7714 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-09-03 21:42 <linkedinyou> some Diva view of Architecture http://postimg.org/image/lnjsezb9l/ http://postimg.org/image/sclqh977t/ http://postimg.org/image/9a6y82ll5/ http://postimg.org/image/cp9eu86wf/
2015-09-03 22:38 <diva> alright ! I have LLUDP working as a region module too
2015-09-03 22:40 <diva> I feel so much better now :)
2015-09-03 22:41 <diva> one more "Manager" bite sthe dust
2015-09-03 22:51 <nebadon> nice
2015-09-03 23:05 <nebadon> i updated Sisyphus on OSgrid to head on phsymodules diva
2015-09-03 23:06 <diva> is it working well?
2015-09-03 23:06 <nebadon> im about to log in
2015-09-03 23:06 <nebadon> it started up fine
2015-09-03 23:07 <nebadon> I am in and moving around
2015-09-03 23:07 <nebadon> content is loading :)
2015-09-03 23:07 <nebadon> looks good to me
2015-09-03 23:07 <diva> great. I haven't checked the unit tests yet; they probably need some fixing
2015-09-03 23:08 <nebadon> ah ya I guess jenkins only triggers on master
2015-09-03 23:08 <Melanie_> yes. braches are announced by cia but ignored by jenkins
2015-09-03 23:09 <Melanie_> diva's work doesn't really introduce functional cange to the client itself
2015-09-03 23:09 <nebadon> yea
2015-09-03 23:10 <diva> Melanie_ take a look at this last commit to check that it's ok
2015-09-03 23:12 <Melanie_> RegionApplicationBase has diffs for every line. line ending issue?
2015-09-03 23:13 <Melanie_> oh it's new
2015-09-03 23:13 <diva_> I moved it
2015-09-03 23:13 <diva_> it was lost in that weird dll called ClientStack
2015-09-03 23:13 <Melanie_> git doesn't seem to realize it
2015-09-03 23:14 <diva_> I hope my line endings aren't screwing up
2015-09-03 23:14 <Melanie_> looks good
2015-09-03 23:14 <Melanie_> lot of crap removed
2015-09-03 23:15 <diva_> yes...
2015-09-03 23:15 <diva_> it felt like cleaning a really dirty kitchen
2015-09-03 23:17 <nebadon> lol
2015-09-03 23:18 <nebadon> alpha frat is messy :P
2015-09-03 23:18 <Melanie_> 
ACTION imagines diva_ in a 70s style nylon smock and headscarf, cleaning the floors

2015-09-03 23:18 <diva_> lol
2015-09-03 23:43 <dahlia> I want a picture of that
2015-09-03 23:44 <nebadon> lol
2015-09-04 00:28 <misterblue> ping, diva_
2015-09-04 00:28 <diva_> hi misterblue :)
2015-09-04 00:28 <diva_> do you want to take a look at that branch?
2015-09-04 00:29 <misterblue> yes... compiled and brought up standalone... there was one error in the log
2015-09-04 00:30 <diva_> tell 
2015-09-04 00:30 <misterblue> 2015-09-03 06:11:38,435 ERROR - OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.Scene [SCENE]: Failed on region test1 with exception Object reference not set to an instance of an object.   at OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.SceneGraph.UpdatePreparePhysics() in f:\cygwin64\home\Robert\dev\bld-ra\OpenSim\Region\Framework\Scenes\SceneGraph.cs:line 165
2015-09-04 00:30 <misterblue> I'm thinking that SceneGraph is initialized early and the physics engine is not configured yet
2015-09-04 00:30 <diva_> was it a blocking exception? did it crash?
2015-09-04 00:31 <diva_> or just a one-time thing that eventually got initialized?
2015-09-04 00:31 <misterblue> no... just gave this error and then everything seemed to work thereafter
2015-09-04 00:31 <diva_> ok
2015-09-04 00:31 <diva_> I remember thinking about that initialization might be an issue
2015-09-04 00:31 <diva_> I'll fix it, assuming I'll be able to detect that error too
2015-09-04 00:31 <diva_> I didn't look for it
2015-09-04 00:32 <diva_> I moved the ExtendedPhysics module to the Bullet dll
2015-09-04 00:32 <diva_> it looks like it belongs there
2015-09-04 00:32 <misterblue> it's a cell to UpdatePreparePhysics() which is called each frame... the first time the physics engine is not there
2015-09-04 00:32 <misterblue> makes me wonder if the simulator starts before all the modules are loaded and running
2015-09-04 00:33 <misterblue> the ExtendedPhysics module seems to work there... I was trying for an extensible physics engine interface but only BulletSim has it
2015-09-04 00:33 <Ubit> where was it?
2015-09-04 00:34 <diva_> I can check the initial sequence of events, since I have been looking at the bowels of opensim today...
2015-09-04 00:34 <misterblue> the dependencies between the two are really symbols... the general problem of two separate modules that have dependencies on each other
2015-09-04 00:34 <dahlia> sounds scary
2015-09-04 00:34 <dahlia> any skeletons?
2015-09-04 00:34 <diva_> lots!
2015-09-04 00:34 <diva_> I killed a zombie today
2015-09-04 00:34 <dahlia> :D
2015-09-04 00:34 <diva_> one less project/dll
2015-09-04 00:35 <dahlia> one of Melanie_'s victims I bet
2015-09-04 00:35 <diva_> misterble, I don't know if it helps, but now that they're both modules they can find each other vis RequestModuleInterface
2015-09-04 00:36 <diva_> yes, dahlia, it was one of Melanie's hated "Manager" classes. It was a zombie, so I finally killed it
2015-09-04 00:36 <misterblue> yes... they can find each other but how do they share symbols (function call ids, constants, etc)
2015-09-04 00:37 <diva_> interfaces, if they have to
2015-09-04 00:37 <diva_> or as you have it
2015-09-04 03:46 <djphil> Hello, what is the correct format for "fcache expire" console command please ?
2015-09-04 03:46 <djphil> in php i try with :     fcache expire '.date("Y m d h i sa")
2015-09-04 03:47 <djphil> but a get this alert  http://pastebin.com/s3QAFg5q
2015-09-04 10:56 <osmantis> Bug #7714:04 Opensimulator crashes on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7714 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-04 10:59 <osmantis> Bug #7714:04 Opensimulator crashes on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7714 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-04 16:07 <Plugh> That error was about a file it couldn't find or couldn't access and not the format of the date, afaict from that error message.
2015-09-04 16:08 <Plugh> djphil: I just looked at the source files and I find one place i converts a time stamp to a string using "MM/dd/yyyy hh:mm:ss" so that might be the format expected.
2015-09-04 16:09 <Plugh> If it helps, the code is looking for a C# DateTime entity.
2015-09-04 16:09 <Plugh> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.datetime%28v=vs.110%29.aspx
2015-09-04 16:13 <Plugh> djphil: In my standalone I tried the command "fcache expire 03-Sep-2015" and it ran without complaint.
2015-09-04 16:37 <diva> misterblue about that exception. Two options: (1) Use PhysicsScene property instead of _PhysScene variable; (2) Check for null in two places -- UpdatePhyscis and UpdatePreparePhysics. Not sure which one is better, but I would go with 2.
2015-09-04 16:40 <diva> I guess there's a third option which is to only start the simulation after all modules have been loaded
2015-09-04 16:41 <diva> I'd have to find that part of the code
2015-09-04 16:42 <Melanie_> The region module loading is not asynchronous
2015-09-04 16:42 <Melanie_> the scene should not start before all modules are in
2015-09-04 16:42 <Melanie_> but the scene WILL of course start region by region
2015-09-04 16:43 <Melanie_> in a _shared_ module, that may mean that not all scenes have called AddRegion yet
2015-09-04 16:43 <Melanie_> because it gets calls as soon as the first one has
2015-09-04 16:43 <diva> these are non shared...
2015-09-04 16:43 <diva> and I think I'm seeing the scenes getting started before the modules load
2015-09-04 16:43 <diva> let me investigate
2015-09-04 16:44 <Melanie_> also, if a module depends on an interface that another module registers, since initialisation order is undefined, it may not be there first time around
2015-09-04 16:44 <Melanie_> but NO scene CAN start before it has all it's modules
2015-09-04 16:44 <Melanie_> the loader is synchronous
2015-09-04 16:44 <Melanie_> i wrote that. unless someone messed it up
2015-09-04 16:44 <diva> are yuo sure?
2015-09-04 16:44 <Melanie_> yes
2015-09-04 16:44 <diva> ok, I'm looking
2015-09-04 16:45 <Melanie_> module loading is definitely sequential and synchronous
2015-09-04 16:45 <Melanie_> module initalization may incur races
2015-09-04 16:45 <Melanie_> so you can never assume that yoy get a non-null from RequestModuleInterface<T>()
2015-09-04 16:45 <Melanie_> even if your module knows the module in question is there
2015-09-04 16:46 <Melanie_> registering a module interface is something the modules can only do on AddRegion
2015-09-04 16:47 <Melanie_> depending on the part of the code that is used to prpulate the PhysicsScene property now
2015-09-04 16:47 <Melanie_> that may nwll happen after the first heartbeat runs
2015-09-04 16:47 <Melanie_> but that is nothing to do with the module loader
2015-09-04 16:47 <diva> Melanie_ I'm really seeing the scenes being started before the modules postinitialization. Look at LoadRegionsPlugin line #141
2015-09-04 16:48 <Melanie_> PostInitialise only exusts in shared modules
2015-09-04 16:48 <Melanie_> and yes
2015-09-04 16:48 <diva> that's postinitialization of the scenes
2015-09-04 16:48 <Melanie_> well, that would not be the fault of the module loader because it doesn't do any scene initialization
2015-09-04 16:48 <diva> ok, so only for shared modules?
2015-09-04 16:48 <Melanie_> maybe someone put the call to the module loader on a fire and forget
2015-09-04 16:49 <Melanie_> diva: here is how it is supposed to work
2015-09-04 16:49 <Melanie_> shoared module:
2015-09-04 16:49 <Melanie_> Initialise()
2015-09-04 16:49 <Melanie_> then any number of add region()
2015-09-04 16:49 <Melanie_> each of these AddRegion WILL also cause the heartbeat to start
2015-09-04 16:50 <Melanie_> then PostInitialise(), by then all scenes already run
2015-09-04 16:50 <Melanie_> then, asynchronously, possibly more calls to AddRegion and RemoveRegion
2015-09-04 16:50 <Melanie_> finally, Close()
2015-09-04 16:50 <Melanie_> non-shared:
2015-09-04 16:50 <Melanie_> Initialise()
2015-09-04 16:51 <Melanie_> exactly ONE call to AddRegion()
2015-09-04 16:51 <Melanie_> then heartbeat starts
2015-09-04 16:51 <Melanie_> finally, RemoveRegion(() and Close()
2015-09-04 16:51 <Melanie_> nonshared modules have no PostInitialise()
2015-09-04 16:51 <Melanie_> its pointless because their lifecycle is that of the region they're in
2015-09-04 16:51 <Melanie_> whereas shared modules have a lifecycle equal to the simulator
2015-09-04 16:52 <diva> well, th eissue here is not so much the modules life cycle, as it is that life cycle's relation with the scene life cycle
2015-09-04 16:53 <diva> scenes and modules are created by different plugins
2015-09-04 16:54 <Melanie_> the process sould be
2015-09-04 16:54 <Melanie_> create scene -> load modules -> start
2015-09-04 16:54 <diva> yes, ok. I'm checking whether that's really what's happening
2015-09-04 16:54 <Melanie_> for that the call to the module loader can't be fire and forget
2015-09-04 16:55 <Melanie_> if someone made it fire and forget, that would need to be rolled back
2015-09-04 16:56 <diva> my god, this part of opensim smells like my gramma's closet...
2015-09-04 16:57 <Melanie_> lol
2015-09-04 16:58 <Melanie_> i hope you're not talking about the module loader
2015-09-04 16:58 <Melanie_> but about hte code that calls it
2015-09-04 16:58 <diva> the whole thing... the PluginLoader<T> even uses C naming conventions!
2015-09-04 16:58 <Melanie_> IMHO, OpenSim, OpenSimBase, RegionApplication, RegionApplicationBase
2015-09-04 16:58 <Melanie_> all should be a single class
2015-09-04 16:58 <diva> yes
2015-09-04 16:59 <Melanie_> i believe it was _MW who wanted to have a base class for everything
2015-09-04 16:59 <Melanie_> again in order to make it extensible
2015-09-04 16:59 <Melanie_> but i doubt anyone will ever extend this
2015-09-04 16:59 <Melanie_> and the nesing of the StartupSpecific stuff
2015-09-04 16:59 <diva> omg
2015-09-04 16:59 <Melanie_> nesting
2015-09-04 17:00 <Melanie_> is a mess
2015-09-04 17:00 <diva> it was a complete bizarro world, especially when the classes in the hierarchy were going in and out of different dlls...
2015-09-04 17:00 <Melanie_> I know the DTL money server uses a subclassed region server rather than a robust shell
2015-09-04 17:00 <diva> at least now they are all in the same dll, ready to be collapsed one of these days
2015-09-04 17:01 <diva> but these Startup plugins are still a mess
2015-09-04 17:02 <Melanie_> the important ting is, whatever you do, that you don't cange the modules' lifecycle mechanics
2015-09-04 17:02 <Melanie_> in particular, how and when PostInitialise is called
2015-09-04 17:02 <diva> nope
2015-09-04 17:02 <Melanie_> because you will break lots of things very badly if you do
2015-09-04 17:02 <Melanie_> and, if these classes have been pulled together, does that mean they are also in one file?
2015-09-04 17:03 <Melanie_> erm
2015-09-04 17:03 <Melanie_> dir, i mean
2015-09-04 17:03 <Melanie_> because the region server bases and impl classes used to be all over the tree
2015-09-04 17:50 <diva> so messy.... but yes, it looks like it's scene creation -> module loading / initialization/ add region / region loaded -> scene starting
2015-09-04 17:50 <diva> so the exception that misterblue gets (which I don't get) must be because that class is using the variable rather than the property
2015-09-04 17:59 <diva> ok, I think this branch is ready to be merged
2015-09-04 18:09 <diva> alright, let's see which tests break!
2015-09-04 18:13 <dahlia> 
ACTION blinks

2015-09-04 18:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #4310 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-09-04 18:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4310: FAILURE in 7 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4310/
2015-09-04 18:18 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Moved instantiation of SceneCommunicationService object to inside the scene constructor. This was a left over from the original monolithic design of scene communications. The less the instantiators of scenes know about the scene's internals, the better.
2015-09-04 18:18 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Major renaming of Physics dlls / folders. No functional changes, just renames.
2015-09-04 18:18 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Renamed the namespaces too
2015-09-04 18:18 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: More namespace and dll name changes. Still no functional changes.
2015-09-04 18:18 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Refactored Meshing modules:
2015-09-04 18:18 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Fixed a namespace dependency. Also started preparing prebuild.xml for making physics region modules.
2015-09-04 18:18 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: All physics plugins are now region modules. Compiles but doesn't run.
2015-09-04 18:18 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: First commit where physics work as region module.
2015-09-04 18:18 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Physics refactoring: all unit tests pass.
2015-09-04 18:18 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Deleted physics plugin classes.
2015-09-04 18:18 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Moved ExtendedPhysics from OptionalModules to Bullet project, because it's very much an optional Bullet feature. This way, Bullet doesn't need to depend on the OptionalModules dll. No changes in configs or behavior.
2015-09-04 18:18 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Transformed the LLUDP ad-hoc plugin into a region module. It works.
2015-09-04 18:18 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Deleted commented code
2015-09-04 18:18 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: In SceneGraph, use the property PhysicsScene instead of the variable _PhysScene, so that it gets properly initialized before being dereferenced.
2015-09-04 18:18 <Melanie_> looks like it didn't work out so well
2015-09-04 18:19 <diva> wtf 0 failures
2015-09-04 18:19 <diva> is there anything I"m missing?
2015-09-04 18:20 <diva> oh ok
2015-09-04 18:20 <Melanie_> OpenSim/Region/PhysicsModules/BulletS/BSShapes.cs(34,37): error CS0234: The type or namespace name `Meshing' does not exist in the namespace `OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModules'. Are you missing an assembly reference?
2015-09-04 18:20 <diva> yeah I saw that
2015-09-04 18:23 <diva> I don't understand it though
2015-09-04 18:24 <Ubit> physics.Meshing is used by ode and bullet
2015-09-04 18:24 <Ubit> hmm possible something else..
2015-09-04 18:25 <diva> it builds ok in Windows
2015-09-04 18:25 <diva> and Meshing dll is being built ok on that box too
2015-09-04 18:25 <Melanie_> maybe the meshing stuff should go into a separate dll that both scene and phsyics can ref
2015-09-04 18:25 <Melanie_> this is likely a prebuild issue
2015-09-04 18:25 <Melanie_> never depend on windows getting things right
2015-09-04 18:26 <Melanie_> nant is more particulr about references
2015-09-04 18:26 <diva> yeah that's what I did
2015-09-04 18:26 <diva> Meshing is on its own dll now with all meshing modules there
2015-09-04 18:26 <diva> oh
2015-09-04 18:26 <diva> 'found it
2015-09-04 18:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #4311 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4309 5 days 0 hr ago)
2015-09-04 18:32 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-09-04 18:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4311: FIXED in 4 min 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4311/
2015-09-04 18:32 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Fixed wrong path to Meshing dll
2015-09-04 18:32 <diva> oh yey
2015-09-04 18:32 <diva> tests pass
2015-09-04 18:33 <Melanie_> looking good
2015-09-04 18:33 <diva> that means that one of the tests dlls is not being run
2015-09-04 18:33 <diva> cos one XEngine test was failing for me
2015-09-04 18:33 <diva> unrelated to physics or UDP client
2015-09-04 18:33 <Melanie_> well, check the log then
2015-09-04 18:33 <Melanie_> it should say why it wasn't run
2015-09-04 18:33 <Melanie_> so we have two loaders now
2015-09-04 18:34 <Melanie_> the simulator plugins, like the remoe admin and the region loader
2015-09-04 18:34 <Melanie_> and the region modules
2015-09-04 18:34 <Melanie_> and that is it, right?
2015-09-04 18:35 <diva> we have 3 startup plugins: the region loader, the region modules loader and remote admin
2015-09-04 18:36 <diva> weird. The ScriptEngine.Tests dll is only running 1 test on that box
2015-09-04 18:37 <diva> but it has dozens
2015-09-04 18:37 <diva> when I run it here on NUnit in windows it runs all the tests
2015-09-04 18:37 <diva> and one of them fails
2015-09-04 18:38 <Melanie_> shouldn't the region modules loader be part of the region loader?
2015-09-04 18:38 <Melanie_> that would make more sense
2015-09-04 18:38 <Melanie_> there is no point in loading regio modules unless you have regions
2015-09-04 18:38 <diva> theoretically you could load scenes in another way and have the same modules. But I don't know that would be something we would want to support...
2015-09-04 18:45 <diva> it seems to me we should accept the fact that OpenSim is primarily a scene manager on top of an HTTP server, and everything else is replaceable
2015-09-04 18:46 <Melanie_> i'll raise you one :)
2015-09-04 18:47 <diva> that's a nice story too
2015-09-04 18:47 <Melanie_> i think that the robust shell could hold a region server
2015-09-04 18:47 <Melanie_> by making the scene manager a module
2015-09-04 18:47 <diva> a robust module?
2015-09-04 18:47 <Melanie_> yes
2015-09-04 18:48 <Melanie_> right now the region server has a lot of functionality in common with the robust shell
2015-09-04 18:48 <Melanie_> the http server, the console, etc
2015-09-04 18:48 <diva> yes
2015-09-04 18:48 <Melanie_> the stuff that makes a region server a region server could be made into a service module
2015-09-04 18:49 <Melanie_> doing it that way would also eliminate the scene's need to know how to create services
2015-09-04 18:49 <Melanie_> because the robust shell would do that
2015-09-04 18:49 <diva> what do yuo mean?
2015-09-04 18:49 <Melanie_> in both grid and standalone, because in a "standalone" the robust would run an asset service, an inventory service, etc…. AND the region service
2015-09-04 18:50 <Melanie_> if the region server is just a robust module it would run in parallel with the servies
2015-09-04 18:50 <Melanie_> rather than creating the services as it currently does
2015-09-04 18:50 <Melanie_> but going that route is not a must
2015-09-04 18:50 <Melanie_> just food for thought
2015-09-04 18:50 <Melanie_> and i have to run and make dinner now
2015-09-04 18:51 <Melanie_> family is hungry
2015-09-04 18:52 <diva> so this is what we have now: http://imagebin.ca/v/2EWADWZSja5w
2015-09-04 18:54 <diva> and now I can breath more easily, after having put physics and LLUDP on the same page as everything else
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2015-09-04 19:49 <dahlia> something about that graph looks upside down to me
2015-09-04 19:49 <dahlia> 
ACTION rotates the computer....

2015-09-04 19:49 <Ubit> 
ACTION rotates dahlia computer back

2015-09-04 19:50 <dahlia> 
ACTION rotates Ubit

2015-09-04 19:50 <Ubit> ahh yeap graph looks better now
2015-09-04 20:01 <dahlia> wow 167 errors compiling
2015-09-04 20:05 <dahlia> git reset --hard and git clean -f fixed it :)
2015-09-04 20:26 <H-H-H> hey guys if i wanted to persist a av,s health to db what would be the correct and or easyest method to do it
2015-09-04 20:27 <dahlia> diva_: I updated my grid and my osgrid regions and everything seems to be working normally
2015-09-04 20:29 <diva_> great
2015-09-04 20:35 <diva> ok, so I'm looking at more things to clean up and I'm looking at Framework.Communications. It has two puzzling pieces of functionality there that I don't see being called anywhere: XMPP and Limit. Does anyone know anything about any of these?
2015-09-04 20:37 <diva> Limit hasnt' been touched since 2009
2015-09-04 20:38 <diva> Same with XMPP
2015-09-04 20:38 <dahlia> I vaguely remember long ago there was some work to use XMPP but I'm not sure what for
2015-09-04 20:38 <lkalif> wasn't there an attempt to make xmpp chat groups
2015-09-04 20:38 <dahlia> dont think it ever was finished
2015-09-04 20:39 <dahlia> may have been similar to the IRC module
2015-09-04 20:39 <dahlia> H-H-H: I don't really know anything about how energy or health works, maybe Melanie_ might know something
2015-09-04 20:40 <dahlia> lkalif: ya SL did but I think this was before that
2015-09-04 20:40 <dahlia> I think this was also before that XMPP gridproxy thing I did
2015-09-04 20:41 <diva> Very tempted to chop this off
2015-09-04 20:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #4312 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2015-09-04 20:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4312: SUCCESS in 4 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4312/
2015-09-04 20:50 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Deleted unused interface
2015-09-04 20:55 <dahlia> hmmm....
2015-09-04 20:55 <dahlia> cant seem to move after hg tp to osgrid regio running master
2015-09-04 20:55 <dahlia> *region
2015-09-04 20:56 <diva> well the limits code is vaguely interesting, but it's not being used in LLUDP and it can't be used as is for limiting http requests.
2015-09-04 21:02 <diva> Xmpp is just cruft, I"m going to remove it. It can always be brought back to life if we ever use Xmpp for anything (although I would hop we'd use a library at that point)
2015-09-04 21:02 <dahlia> I used a library for my xmpp gridproxy thing
2015-09-04 21:04 <dahlia> wierd, cant move in either of my osgrid regions on master but the regions on my grid seem ok
2015-09-04 21:05 <diva> same operating system?
2015-09-04 21:05 <lkalif> why should grid matter for movement?
2015-09-04 21:05 <diva> and you can't move upon login in to them or just after a TP?
2015-09-04 21:06 <dahlia> same server
2015-09-04 21:06 <dahlia> login or tp
2015-09-04 21:06 <diva> maybe it didn't build properly?
2015-09-04 21:06 <dahlia> same build
2015-09-04 21:07 <diva> old dlls?
2015-09-04 21:07 <dahlia> same configs
2015-09-04 21:07 <dahlia> everything identical except for osgrid config changes
2015-09-04 21:08 <Melanie_> xmpp was an idea to use xmpp for presence
2015-09-04 21:09 <Melanie_> it never went anywhere
2015-09-04 21:09 <diva> ok to remove it?
2015-09-04 21:09 <Melanie_> i don't know what limit is - i'd need to look
2015-09-04 21:09 <Melanie_> yes, i don't think the xmpp stuff is even complete
2015-09-04 21:09 <diva> it's an old attempt by justin to code up limits for requests, possibly UDP requests
2015-09-04 21:10 <Melanie_> then that can go as well
2015-09-04 21:10 <Melanie_> we have the throttles now
2015-09-04 21:10 <diva> ok
2015-09-04 21:10 <Melanie_> much more advancved
2015-09-04 21:10 <diva> spring cleaning!
2015-09-04 21:14 <Melanie_> but spring's been sprung for a long time now
2015-09-04 21:15 <dahlia> southern hemisphere
2015-09-04 21:19 <diva> wtf is LukeSkywalker.IPNetwork dll?!?
2015-09-04 21:19 <Melanie_> filtering by ip/netmask
2015-09-04 21:19 <Melanie_> a recent addition for the blacklists/whitelists
2015-09-04 21:20 <diva> hmm
2015-09-04 21:21 <Melanie_> that was the idea that a grid visitor could probe the hosts inside the router/firewall
2015-09-04 21:21 <Melanie_> and that therefore httprequest should be limited to not allow that
2015-09-04 21:21 <Melanie_> so justin wanted to make llhttprequest localhost only
2015-09-04 21:21 <Melanie_> which would have pretty much killed all it's uses
2015-09-04 21:22 <diva> I"m just wondering where to place that now... I don't want OpenSim.Framework to depend on that dll...
2015-09-04 21:22 <Melanie_> so i argued till i was red in the face
2015-09-04 21:22 <Melanie_> so at least have black/whitelists
2015-09-04 21:22 <Melanie_> why don't you want that?
2015-09-04 21:22 <Melanie_> it's an external library, i see no issue with that dependency
2015-09-04 21:22 <diva> well I guess it can it just feels odd
2015-09-04 21:25 <Plugh> llhttprequest localhost only? As in no access to external sites? eek. That would have killed off its use for me.
2015-09-04 21:25 <Melanie_> exactlu
2015-09-04 21:26 <Melanie_> pouring out the baby with the bath water
2015-09-04 21:26 <Melanie_> some people, like justin, see standalone as the primary mode of operation
2015-09-04 21:26 <Melanie_> and the home as the primary place of operatioin
2015-09-04 21:26 <Melanie_> for opensim
2015-09-04 21:27 <Plugh> SA as primary? Seriously? From all the talks these days I would have thought HG.
2015-09-04 21:27 <Melanie_> to me the home and standalone are the most common use case, but the primary one is grids
2015-09-04 21:27 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-09-04 21:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #4313 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-09-04 21:40 <dahlia> I thought justin make llHttpRequest external only, not localhost only
2015-09-04 21:43 <diva> ok, there are now 2 other dlls that I would like to eliminate by moving their contents to OptionalModules: DataSnapshot and RegionCombiner. These just don't feel important enough to be their own dlls.
2015-09-04 21:44 <dahlia> combiner is megaregions I think
2015-09-04 21:44 <diva> yes
2015-09-04 21:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4313: SUCCESS in 4 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4313/
2015-09-04 21:44 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Deleted old unfinished code under Framework.Communications that wasn't being used anywhere.
2015-09-04 21:44 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Deleted OpenSim.Framework.Communications. Moved its two remaining files to OpenSim.Framework.
2015-09-04 21:44 <diva> I'd like to move them to OptionalModules
2015-09-04 21:45 <diva> and maybe also UserStatistics
2015-09-04 21:47 <H-H-H> sorry dahlia i was afk ty for answering tho
2015-09-04 21:47 <diva> these are 3 features that are nice to have but they don't need to be their own dlls
2015-09-04 21:48 <H-H-H> Melanie_ if i wanted to persist a av,s health to db what would be the correct and or easyest method to do it
2015-09-04 21:50 <Melanie_> dahlia: after i spoke to justin he used the IP filtering DLL to allow creating black and whitelists and that resulted in a default "remote only"
2015-09-04 21:51 <Melanie_> but his original idea had been to restrict it to localhost by default
2015-09-04 21:51 <Melanie_> diva: DataSnapshot can be in optional modules
2015-09-04 21:51 <dahlia> why localhost? makes no sense to me
2015-09-04 21:51 <Melanie_> region combiner - we need to discuss if, with varregions, we'd even want to keep megaregion support
2015-09-04 21:52 <Melanie_> mega has always only been a kludge
2015-09-04 21:52 <diva> yeah...
2015-09-04 21:52 <diva> I'm thinking that it may be used by ppl using ODE? I don't know who uses it anymore
2015-09-04 21:52 <Melanie_> megaregions were teravus' answer to a viewer that could not handle vars
2015-09-04 21:52 <dahlia> a very creative kludge
2015-09-04 21:52 <Ubit> it does
2015-09-04 21:53 <Ubit> well will.. :)
2015-09-04 21:53 <dahlia> kitely uses it
2015-09-04 21:53 <diva> should we ask in -dev if ppl are still using megaregions?
2015-09-04 21:53 <Melanie_> i think removal of megaregions and the associated code weirdness in many places is a good thing
2015-09-04 21:53 <Melanie_> it will allow to move many special cases all over the code
2015-09-04 21:54 <Melanie_> i believe megaregion knowledge is even in SOP/SOG
2015-09-04 21:54 <diva> ok, I'll ask
2015-09-04 21:54 <Melanie_> so it would actually be a complication in goign to an EC model
2015-09-04 21:54 <Ubit> (varregions where actually made using ode :) )
2015-09-04 21:54 <diva> yes, it's a horrible hack. Clever, but really horrible
2015-09-04 21:57 <dahlia> pretty sure kitely uses them but I don't know if anyone else
2015-09-04 21:58 <dahlia> maybe ask nebadon, i thought maybe some of the older encitra stuff used them
2015-09-04 21:58 <diva> we're dong using megas
2015-09-04 21:58 <diva> we're all varregions now
2015-09-04 22:01 <Melanie_> converting a mega to a var is trivial
2015-09-04 22:02 <Melanie_> maybe we should provide a tool that can stitch a former mega's terrain to make one for a var
2015-09-04 22:02 <Melanie_> but the objects are already stored in the database as if the region was that size
2015-09-04 22:02 <Melanie_> so theyll load in a var just as they do in a mega
2015-09-04 22:03 <diva> anyway I'm going to move those features to OptionalModules for now, so that we have 3 less dlls
2015-09-04 22:03 <dahlia> onw thing I liked about megas was you could make odd shaped regions
2015-09-04 22:04 <diva> yeah but it didn't work that well, and it was a PITA to set up
2015-09-04 22:05 <diva> I don't think that benefit justifies the kludge it causes all over the code. It mayight be better to evolve the viewers to understand odd-shaped regions
2015-09-04 22:05 <AliciaRaven2> Melanie_ wasnt the lukeskywalker dll there to prevent a script making connections back to local host inside the firewall, i didnt think it would block external traffic
2015-09-04 22:06 <dahlia> AliciaRaven2: that's what I remember
2015-09-04 22:06 <Melanie_> AliciaRaven2: as i said before, the original idea was to severely limit it and would have destroyed it
2015-09-04 22:06 <H-H-H> any ideas Melanie_ ?
2015-09-04 22:06 <Melanie_> i spent some time in discussion and it went back and forth on the ML as well in the later stages
2015-09-04 22:07 <Melanie_> to make it into what it is today
2015-09-04 22:07 <Melanie_> H-H-H: health isn't supposed to be persisted, you go to 100% when you relog
2015-09-04 22:07 <Melanie_> so you'd have to make a not-in-core module
2015-09-04 22:08 <H-H-H> ok thanks
2015-09-04 22:09 <H-H-H> any particular reason its not suposed to be persisted as i would have thought for some scenarios that would be ideal as you could cheat the system by simply performing a relog :|
2015-09-04 22:10 <dahlia> diva: one difference between my osgrid regions and my grid regsions is the grid regions use mysql and the osgrid ones use sqlite
2015-09-04 22:10 <diva> that shouldn't matter for anything I did, but I can test it here
2015-09-04 22:11 <Melanie_> H-H-H: the built-in health is made to be linden compatible
2015-09-04 22:11 <Melanie_> and it's just not saved in sl
2015-09-04 22:11 <Melanie_> there will soon be ways to have extra stats
2015-09-04 22:11 <Melanie_> with persistence and display in the viewer
2015-09-04 22:12 <dahlia> it's wierd, almost as if the agent updates aren't getting thru somehow
2015-09-04 22:12 <Melanie_> the one health value is too undifferentiated to be useful anyway
2015-09-04 22:12 <dahlia> or are corrupted
2015-09-04 22:12 <Melanie_> and the health is a pure collision thing, e.g. popguns, it can't be uses with melee weapons
2015-09-04 22:12 <Melanie_> which is why pretty much no combat/rp system uses it
2015-09-04 22:13 <Melanie_> 
ACTION blames dahlia 

2015-09-04 22:13 <dahlia> NOOOOOO Justin didi it!
2015-09-04 22:14 <H-H-H> o right so its not even worth the effort to use it then 
2015-09-04 22:14 <Melanie_> no one said you did it. you just get blamed.
2015-09-04 22:14 <dahlia> oh
2015-09-04 22:14 <dahlia> 
ACTION blames Ubit

2015-09-04 22:15 <Ubit> yeap... its me
2015-09-04 22:15 <Melanie_> 
ACTION blames diva, too

2015-09-04 22:15 <Melanie_> the whole flock of portugEese
2015-09-04 22:16 <Melanie_> :)
2015-09-04 22:16 <diva> I'm used to it. Im always to blame according to my daughter
2015-09-04 22:16 <Melanie_> aah yes, that would account for it
2015-09-04 22:18 <dahlia> 
ACTION blames diva's daughter

2015-09-04 22:18 <diva> :)
2015-09-04 22:18 <diva> ok, what about UserStatistics? I think it should also go into OptionalModules
2015-09-04 22:19 <dahlia> is that the moses stuff?
2015-09-04 22:19 <diva> no
2015-09-04 22:19 <Melanie_> it's in it's own dll now?
2015-09-04 22:19 <diva> it's WebStats
2015-09-04 22:19 <diva> it has always been
2015-09-04 22:19 <Melanie_> i see no reason for it to be a dll
2015-09-04 22:19 <diva> me neither
2015-09-04 22:20 <notskittles> doesn't it rely on sqlite?
2015-09-04 22:20 <dahlia> I have no opinion but I can make one up if not having one looks too wimpy
2015-09-04 22:20 <diva> I think it's legacy from a time that we didn't really know if we were gong to go with region modules...
2015-09-04 22:20 <diva> let me check the dependencies
2015-09-04 22:20 <diva> ah yes, it depends on sqlite
2015-09-04 22:21 <notskittles> one of those stats modules made everything explode when i tried to run without having OpenSim.Data.SQLite.dll
2015-09-04 22:21 <notskittles> yes, that's the one.
2015-09-04 22:21 <Melanie_> we ship sqlite
2015-09-04 22:21 <Melanie_> so there shouldn't be a case where it's not present
2015-09-04 22:21 <diva> but still I don't see a reason why we can't add that dep to OptionalModules
2015-09-04 22:22 <diva> ok, I'm moving it there too
2015-09-04 22:27 <dahlia> well I can't get movement to work on my osgrid regions with master but I'm going to just wait on it because I want to fix a bug in my webgl avatar rendering before I forget about it
2015-09-04 22:27 <Ubit> 2015-09-04 16:43:27,666 INFO  (1) - OpenSim.Framework.Util [UTIL] TimeStamp clock with period of 0.000293ms
2015-09-04 22:27 <Ubit> errr oops
2015-09-04 22:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #4314 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-09-04 22:29 <Melanie_> 
ACTION blames the OptionalModules

2015-09-04 22:30 <diva> ok, I'm done cleaning for now
2015-09-04 22:30 <diva> let me check what's up with sqlite
2015-09-04 22:30 <notskittles> same here, dahlia.
2015-09-04 22:30 <Melanie_> so you can hang up your smock now :)
2015-09-04 22:33 <diva> dahlia I'm moving
2015-09-04 22:33 <diva> what else do yo have there?
2015-09-04 22:33 <diva> Bullet or ODE?
2015-09-04 22:33 <dahlia> bullet
2015-09-04 22:33 <dahlia> on osgrid?
2015-09-04 22:33 <diva> yeah wherever it doesn't work
2015-09-04 22:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4314: SUCCESS in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4314/
2015-09-04 22:33 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Moved RegionCombinerModule to OptionalModules. Removed it as its own top-level project/dll.
2015-09-04 22:33 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Moved DataSnapshot feature to OptionalModules too.
2015-09-04 22:33 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Moved UserStatistics feature to OptionalModules too.
2015-09-04 22:34 <dahlia> I mean you're testing on osgrid?
2015-09-04 22:34 <diva> no
2015-09-04 22:34 <diva> I"m testing my standalone
2015-09-04 22:34 <dahlia> oh
2015-09-04 22:34 <dahlia> bullet, mono 3.99.0, osgrid, hggrid mode
2015-09-04 22:35 <dahlia> sqlite region storage
2015-09-04 22:35 <dahlia> thats about it
2015-09-04 22:35 <diva> 1 region or many?
2015-09-04 22:35 <dahlia> I'm not certain it's your fault but it was working before I updated to master
2015-09-04 22:36 <dahlia> the code that was there before could be a couple weeks older
2015-09-04 22:36 <diva> it's weird that you don't move
2015-09-04 22:36 <diva> that sounds like physics
2015-09-04 22:36 <dahlia> the regions on osgrid are "bleh" and "Pirate's Harbor"
2015-09-04 22:36 <diva> are they on the same simulator?
2015-09-04 22:36 <dahlia> no
2015-09-04 22:36 <dahlia> all unique instances
2015-09-04 22:37 <notskittles> i don't move either running in gridmode on head. one region per sim.
2015-09-04 22:37 <notskittles> not osgrid.
2015-09-04 22:37 <dahlia> hmmm
2015-09-04 22:37 <diva> can you type show modules
2015-09-04 22:37 <diva> and check that BUllet is there
2015-09-04 22:37 <Ubit> oh crap  i can't move also lol
2015-09-04 22:37 <notskittles> bullet gets loaded, there's a warning in the log about POSPhysics.
2015-09-04 22:38 <notskittles> not being a valid something or other. i need to go look at the log again.
2015-09-04 22:38 <dahlia> New Region Module (Non-Shared): BulletSim
2015-09-04 22:38 <Ubit> yeap physics seem  dead
2015-09-04 22:39 <Ubit> well they are alive taking a bit of time..   
2015-09-04 22:39 <Ubit> rez a prim mk it phys and see if it falls
2015-09-04 22:40 <Ubit> no sits either
2015-09-04 22:41 <diva> uhhh dahlia
2015-09-04 22:41 <notskittles> i could sit on a prim.
2015-09-04 22:41 <notskittles> that shouldn't have anything to do with physics, i wouldn't think.
2015-09-04 22:41 <diva> can you make a prim physical
2015-09-04 22:41 <diva> I'm trying on dahlia's sim but I don't have perms
2015-09-04 22:42 <dahlia> oh
2015-09-04 22:42 <Ubit> i already tried :p
2015-09-04 22:42 <diva> does it work?
2015-09-04 22:42 <Ubit> can't rez either lol
2015-09-04 22:42 <Ubit> no rights
2015-09-04 22:42 <notskittles> 2015-09-04 22:41:54,955 WARN  (1) - OpenSim.ApplicationPlugins.RegionModulesController.RegionModulesControllerPlugin [REGIONMODULES]: Found unknown type of module POSPhysicsScene, class OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModule.POS.POSScene
2015-09-04 22:43 <Ubit> ahh sit worked ow
2015-09-04 22:43 <notskittles> that's new.
2015-09-04 22:43 <dahlia> try now
2015-09-04 22:43 <diva> ok physics is dead
2015-09-04 22:43 <diva> it's kida cool to be in a sim without physcis :)
2015-09-04 22:43 <Ubit> nopes  prim doesn't move
2015-09-04 22:44 <diva> at least now we know that's possible. Very nice :)
2015-09-04 22:44 <dahlia> nice?
2015-09-04 22:44 <diva> should come handy for some applications 
2015-09-04 22:44 <diva> :)
2015-09-04 22:45 <diva> anyway, let think try to figure out why physics wouldn't want to work there
2015-09-04 22:46 <diva> I never remember the console command for showing configs...
2015-09-04 22:46 <diva> what is it?
2015-09-04 22:47 <notskittles> i think the region for POSPhysicsScene showing that warning is because it's not actually a region module yet.
2015-09-04 22:47 <diva> dahlia can you type config get Startup
2015-09-04 22:47 <diva> oh
2015-09-04 22:47 <diva> I forgot to make it one
2015-09-04 22:48 <dahlia> big list
2015-09-04 22:48 <diva> is physics correct?
2015-09-04 22:48 <dahlia> looks ok so far
2015-09-04 22:49 <Ubit> hmm the loader bailed out on that POSPhysicsScene error?
2015-09-04 22:49 <dahlia> physics = BulletSim
2015-09-04 22:49 <dahlia>   meshing = Meshmerizer
2015-09-04 22:49 <dahlia>   physical_prim = true
2015-09-04 22:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #4315 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-09-04 22:50 <dahlia> hmmm
2015-09-04 22:50 <dahlia> would async_call_method = Thread  matter?
2015-09-04 22:50 <Ubit> ohh no tp out :)
2015-09-04 22:50 <dahlia> I think thats different
2015-09-04 22:50 <dahlia> should be able to tp out
2015-09-04 22:50 <diva> it wouldn't
2015-09-04 22:50 <dahlia> I did earlier
2015-09-04 22:51 <Ubit> hmm not even knocking on my region door
2015-09-04 22:51 <Ubit> can be dyndns thing
2015-09-04 22:51 <dahlia> oh
2015-09-04 22:52 <Ubit> well it did  and killed me lol
2015-09-04 22:52 <dahlia> I think I had screen copy mode on and it froze the sim 
2015-09-04 22:52 <Ubit> :)
2015-09-04 22:52 <dahlia> hmmm shouldnt it buffer?
2015-09-04 22:52 <dahlia> thats not good
2015-09-04 22:52 <dahlia> the logger should buffer
2015-09-04 22:53 <Ubit> ( tp now worked fine.. a glitch )
2015-09-04 22:53 <dahlia> ya screen copy mode
2015-09-04 22:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4315: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4315/
2015-09-04 22:53 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: POSScene wasn't really a region module. Fixed now.
2015-09-04 22:54 <notskittles> screen is so silly.
2015-09-04 22:54 <dahlia> it needs love
2015-09-04 22:54 <dahlia> unfortunately I'm addicted to screen
2015-09-04 22:54 <notskittles> i just use tmux now.
2015-09-04 22:54 <Ubit> hammer love :)
2015-09-04 22:55 <dahlia> afk, 30ish
2015-09-04 23:01 <diva> sorry phone call.
2015-09-04 23:01 <diva> so
2015-09-04 23:01 <diva> are you still not moving?
2015-09-04 23:01 <Ubit> afk :)
2015-09-04 23:03 <diva> dahlia or notskittles I'll probably need your help on this, because I can't repro it here...
2015-09-04 23:03 <diva> do you have time to edit things and try out?
2015-09-04 23:03 <notskittles> i can.
2015-09-04 23:03 <diva> great
2015-09-04 23:04 <notskittles> at least for a bit, i'm literally trapped at home. road crew dug what seems to be a moat around the front of my house to replace the water pipes.
2015-09-04 23:04 <diva> ok
2015-09-04 23:04 <diva> can you grep your log for this message
2015-09-04 23:04 <diva> Linksets implemented with
2015-09-04 23:05 <notskittles> 2015-09-04 22:56:57,224 INFO  (1) - OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModule.BulletS.BSScene [BULLETS SCENE] Linksets implemented with Compound
2015-09-04 23:05 <diva> ok great, so it's there
2015-09-04 23:06 <diva> 1 question: do you use a separate thread?
2015-09-04 23:06 <notskittles> ummm, i don't remember. what setting is that?
2015-09-04 23:07 <notskittles> ok yes i do.
2015-09-04 23:07 <notskittles> AvatarToAvatarCollisionsByDefault = true
2015-09-04 23:07 <notskittles> UseSeparatePhysicsThread = true
2015-09-04 23:07 <diva> oh ok, so let me try that to see if I can repro
2015-09-04 23:09 <diva> bingo! :)
2015-09-04 23:09 <diva> I can repro, will fix
2015-09-04 23:10 <notskittles> \o/
2015-09-04 23:16 <diva> errr, I mean, I'll try to fix it! Not sure I can do it without misterblue...
2015-09-04 23:17 <diva> I can do my brute force approach to see whats going on
2015-09-04 23:18 <diva> it's called XXX debugging, whereas I litter the code with printf statements that start with [XXX]
2015-09-04 23:20 <diva> I"m not sure how the results of physics simulation get passed on to the scene objects when the thread is separated
2015-09-04 23:21 <diva> something misterblue could tell me in a heartbeat
2015-09-04 23:23 <diva> ok I found the problem
2015-09-04 23:23 <notskittles> yay
2015-09-04 23:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #4316 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-09-04 23:35 <diva> dahlia notskittle this should do it
2015-09-04 23:37 <dahlia> back
2015-09-04 23:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4316: SUCCESS in 4 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4316/
2015-09-04 23:37 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Fixes a problem with Bullet physics when it is configured to run on a separate thread.
2015-09-04 23:38 <diva> anyway, I'm delighted to see that things work so well without physics simulation :) It really opens up a few possibilities...
2015-09-04 23:39 <dahlia> UseSeparatePhysicsThread = true
2015-09-04 23:39 <dahlia>     TerrainImplementation=0
2015-09-04 23:39 <diva> yes dahlia, there was a problem when there's a separate thread, but I just fixed it
2015-09-04 23:39 <diva> so if yo update you should have your movement back
2015-09-04 23:43 <nebadon> back home, Melanie_ just saw what you said about tool to stitch terrain from mega to var
2015-09-04 23:43 <nebadon> we already have that I think
2015-09-04 23:43 <Melanie_> great
2015-09-04 23:44 <nebadon> I think anyway hmm
2015-09-04 23:44 <nebadon> i know we have the save-tile command
2015-09-04 23:44 <nebadon> i remember it being quite easy to do though
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2015-09-04 23:45 <nebadon> ya I think with terrain save-tile you can save a series of regions in same simulator as a single png
2015-09-04 23:46 <diva> neb maybe worth sending a message to -dev explaining how to move from megas ro vars
2015-09-04 23:46 <nebadon> ok id have to refresh my memory honestly
2015-09-04 23:46 <nebadon> its been so long since ive done it
2015-09-04 23:52 <Melanie_> we just need to get rid o that mega code
2015-09-04 23:52 <Melanie_> rather soner than later
2015-09-04 23:52 <nebadon> the problem is ODE doesnt support var
2015-09-04 23:53 <Ubit> ufff
2015-09-04 23:53 <Melanie_> how so?
2015-09-04 23:53 <Melanie_> to physics, mega and var should be the same
2015-09-04 23:53 <diva> I'm guessing no one ever cared to updage ODE
2015-09-04 23:53 <nebadon> not sure I just know it doesnt work with ODE
2015-09-04 23:53 <Melanie_> the physics in a mega were never per component
2015-09-04 23:53 <dahlia_> I tried ode
2015-09-04 23:53 <dahlia_> it worked
2015-09-04 23:53 <diva> I see some conditionals in Bullet regarding vars
2015-09-04 23:53 <nebadon> with VAR?
2015-09-04 23:54 <Ubit> it needs a little fixes..
2015-09-04 23:54 <Melanie_> there is no reason why it shouldn't
2015-09-04 23:54 <dahlia_> 
ACTION is having connection issues and is out of context...

2015-09-04 23:54 <Melanie_> the only thing that changes is the size of the ground mesh and the magnitude of some numbers
2015-09-04 23:54 <diva> yeah from glancing it looked pretty straightforward, I'm just guessing no one ever cared to do it
2015-09-04 23:55 <nebadon> ya it cant be too hard Aurora had vars in ODE before we did in Bulletsim
2015-09-04 23:55 <nebadon> so absolutely is possible
2015-09-04 23:55 <nebadon> just not sure in our current form of ODE it does
2015-09-04 23:55 <Ubit> well guess im missing something on this talk
2015-09-04 23:55 <nebadon> no just if vars work in ODE or not
2015-09-04 23:59 <dahlia> theres probably lots of ODE stuff in aurora we should look at
2015-09-04 23:59 <Ubit> varcode is a merge of aurora already
2015-09-04 23:59 <Ubit> well "merge"
2015-09-04 23:59 <nebadon> i dont think it is
2015-09-05 00:00 <nebadon> misterblue didnt just port aurora code
2015-09-05 00:00 <Ubit> some he did..
2015-09-05 00:00 <Ubit> but aurora architeture is diferent, so he had lots of work :)
2015-09-05 00:01 <nebadon> yea I knew it wasnt exactly the same anyway
2015-09-05 00:01 <dahlia> misterblue used bullet
2015-09-05 00:01 <diva> he did it only for bullet
2015-09-05 00:01 <Ubit> he actually mentions it on a coment  i think...  on terraincompressor
2015-09-05 00:02 <dahlia> YAY I can move! :D
2015-09-05 00:02 <diva> great
2015-09-05 00:02 <dahlia> 
ACTION gives diva a big chocolate bar

2015-09-05 00:02 <dahlia> (virtual low calorie one)
2015-09-05 00:02 <Melanie_> lol
2015-09-05 00:02 <Melanie_> i was about to blame you for diva putting on weight
2015-09-05 00:03 <dahlia> :P
2015-09-05 00:06 <diva> I'm addicted to chocolate even when I go on diets
2015-09-05 00:06 <diva> dark chocolate though
2015-09-05 00:07 <Melanie_> dark isn't bad
2015-09-05 00:07 <Melanie_> the milk chocolate is what's fattening
2015-09-05 00:07 <Ubit> dahlia i didn't want those cubes :p
2015-09-05 00:07 <dahlia> :)
2015-09-05 00:32 <misterblue> nebadon, diva: I added a bunch of parameters to 'load oar' to make moving from mega's to varregions easier
2015-09-05 00:33 <misterblue> they are documentated in http://opensimulator.org/wiki/varregions and http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Load_Oar
2015-09-05 00:33 <Melanie_> let us excise the evil that is megaregions!
2015-09-05 00:34 <misterblue> I even added a --rotation parameter so you could twist your build in a region... everything doesn't need to be cardinal axis :)
2015-09-05 00:39 <dahlia> and scale I hope :)
2015-09-05 00:44 <misterblue> that would be cool... just the positions maybe
2015-09-05 01:32 <Ubit> hmmm loading a 2km region oar into a 1km one isn't nice for objects  specially when they where all ath 1792,1792 corner :)
2015-09-05 01:33 <Ubit> lol all piled up :)
2015-09-05 01:34 <Ubit> but ode happy  and as region module
2015-09-05 01:42 <Ubit> ohh okc racer moves fast on it :)
2015-09-05 02:44 <smxy> Melanie_: Some folks may want to get rid of megaregions, but I think Kitely still uses them rather than vars. Might want to talk to Oren before anyone thinks about ripping them out.
2015-09-05 02:44 <Melanie_> kitely will have to speak up or adapt
2015-09-05 02:44 <Melanie_> that code is ugly and hindering development
2015-09-05 02:44 <Melanie_> there is no reason to use megas 
2015-09-05 02:44 <Melanie_> and there is a transition path
2015-09-05 02:45 <Melanie_> the resource usage is equal
2015-09-05 02:45 <Melanie_> the only difference is that megaregions are based ona  dirty hack to fool viewers
2015-09-05 02:45 <smxy> I don't think Kitely uses Bulletsim either, which might be why they prefer megas, so they can use ODE.
2015-09-05 02:45 <Melanie_> while varregions work _with_ the viewer
2015-09-05 02:45 <Melanie_> really easy choice
2015-09-05 02:45 <Melanie_> ODE will me made to work with vars
2015-09-05 02:46 <smxy> I'd recommend that be done before ripping out megas
2015-09-05 02:46 <Melanie_> if we don't do it, interested parties can do it
2015-09-05 02:46 <Melanie_> it's not hard
2015-09-05 02:47 <Melanie_> but we do want to rip out megas
2015-09-05 02:47 <Melanie_> and we may do it now
2015-09-05 02:47 <Melanie_> or we may do it later
2015-09-05 02:47 <Melanie_> but it will happen
2015-09-05 02:47 <Melanie_> the only thing that keeps ode from working on megas is the terrain size - it's fixed in ode
2015-09-05 02:47 <Melanie_> so it overflows
2015-09-05 02:47 <smxy> I may be remembering wrong about Kitely, which is why I suggested talking to him.
2015-09-05 02:47 <Melanie_> the rest of ode has absolutely no problem with megas
2015-09-05 02:48 <smxy> But yes, megas are a mega-hack.
2015-09-05 02:48 <Melanie_> it's difficult to talk to oren. not becuse he's a bad person or anything :) but because i'm on the opposite side of the clock
2015-09-05 02:48 <Melanie_> i'm rarely up when he is
2015-09-05 02:48 <Melanie_> that is why we use the mailing list
2015-09-05 02:48 <smxy> You're not far apart, timezone-wise, I think.
2015-09-05 02:48 <Melanie_> the request is out there
2015-09-05 02:48 <Melanie_> i'm sure he will chime in
2015-09-05 02:49 <Melanie_> no but i'm far away lifecycle-wise
2015-09-05 02:49 <Melanie_> as i get up at 1800 hours
2015-09-05 02:49 <smxy> Okay. My mail server is down, so I may have missed that. :)
2015-09-05 02:49 <Melanie_> my time
2015-09-05 02:49 <smxy> You really *are* a freaking vampire. :)
2015-09-05 02:50 <Melanie_> no one claimed the opposite, i believe
2015-09-05 02:50 <smxy> hehe
2015-09-05 02:50 <Melanie_> if one did, they can just bare their neck and let me prove it
2015-09-05 02:50 <dahlia> 
ACTION sharpens some wooden stakes...

2015-09-05 02:50 <Melanie_> 
ACTION blames dahlia for the vampirist movements in society

2015-09-05 02:51 <dahlia> lol
2015-09-05 02:51 <smxy> Well, we've always known that you go for the jugular. :)
2015-09-05 02:51 <Melanie_> nothing wrong with that in my book
2015-09-05 02:52 <Saphira> it's messy
2015-09-05 02:52 <Melanie_> right now we're finalizing a paper that goes for the jugular of IClientAPI
2015-09-05 02:52 <smxy> Isn't that what bibs are for? :)
2015-09-05 02:53 <Melanie_> adam frisby made an abortive attempt at it before
2015-09-05 02:53 <Saphira> I always thought vampires to be more sophisticated then that
2015-09-05 02:53 <Melanie_> his intent was to break it up into smaller interfaces but those were just as linden-centric
2015-09-05 02:53 <Melanie_> it didn't catch on
2015-09-05 02:53 <Melanie_> now i'm doing it my way
2015-09-05 02:54 <Melanie_> bite down, and suck the life out of it
2015-09-05 02:54 <dahlia> I bet it tastes bitter
2015-09-05 02:54 <diva> also Melanie_ I would like to break Scene.cs apart. It has WAY too many things that don't belong to it
2015-09-05 02:54 <Melanie_> -1000
2015-09-05 02:54 <diva> and it's alreayd broken into 2 partial classes
2015-09-05 02:54 <Melanie_> it should not be broken apart further
2015-09-05 02:55 <diva> are you serious? It's terrible
2015-09-05 02:55 <diva> there's connection stuff in there
2015-09-05 02:55 <Melanie_> first, wait until our code dump before doing more sweeping changes. 
2015-09-05 02:55 <dahlia> rather than tear down, how about build up from a nice clean generic EC scenegraph
2015-09-05 02:55 <Melanie_> we're working hard on it and every large scale change sets us bac massively
2015-09-05 02:55 <Melanie_> second, wait for the paper
2015-09-05 02:55 <diva> I will, but just to tell you that Scene.cs is on my radar...
2015-09-05 02:56 <Melanie_> third, yes, scene is way too large for it's britches. i agree but partial classes are NOT the solution
2015-09-05 02:56 <diva> no, no partial classes
2015-09-05 02:56 <Melanie_> Scene.PacketHandlers needs to GO completely
2015-09-05 02:56 <diva> yeah and Scene.Inventory
2015-09-05 02:56 <Melanie_> it's lindenish and what I describe in that paper will completely replace that in a neat, modular way
2015-09-05 02:56 <diva> we need to put a decent model in place
2015-09-05 02:57 <Melanie_> and yes, Scene.Invetntory
2015-09-05 02:57 <Melanie_> it's not needed
2015-09-05 02:57 <Melanie_> at all
2015-09-05 02:57 <Melanie_> it's on my radar to create SceneEntity
2015-09-05 02:57 <Melanie_> and the "inventory" of the scene will just be a list/octree/whatever of those
2015-09-05 02:58 <Melanie_> SceneEntity being an entity component container
2015-09-05 02:58 <Melanie_> and hirarchically linkable
2015-09-05 02:58 <Melanie_> prim, mesh, sculpty
2015-09-05 02:59 <Melanie_> will be ECs
2015-09-05 02:59 <Melanie_> so will inventory 
2015-09-05 02:59 <Melanie_> a scene may have or not have them
2015-09-05 02:59 <Melanie_> scene won't need to change for it
2015-09-05 02:59 <dahlia> one problem with EC and SL linksets is parent parts dont scale child transforms in SL
2015-09-05 02:59 <Melanie_> because in my model (wait for the paper) 
2015-09-05 02:59 <Melanie_> ECs can communicate with the viewer in a protocol agnostic way
2015-09-05 03:00 <Melanie_> dahlia: SL client stacks will need to flatten the hiearachies
2015-09-05 03:00 <diva> ok, I'll wait. I've done enough cleaning for a week
2015-09-05 03:00 <Melanie_> and SL client stacks will be unable to edit nested linksets
2015-09-05 03:00 <Melanie_> or create them
2015-09-05 03:00 <dahlia> the LL protocol will
2015-09-05 03:01 <Melanie_> in time, opensim will no longer adhere to the LL protocol
2015-09-05 03:01 <Melanie_> viewers will evolve or become sl-only
2015-09-05 03:01 <Melanie_> once the sl shutdown comes, we will see who's left
2015-09-05 03:01 <smxy> I thought Avination and Core had drifted too far from each other to take code from Avination anymore. That was the reasoning you gave for the rest of the border crossing stuff never getting into Core, as I recall, but perhaps I'm mis-remembering.
2015-09-05 03:02 <Melanie_> smxy: ubit and misterblue are currently working on the avination code
2015-09-05 03:02 <Melanie_> the goal is to merge all of core's goodness into avination
2015-09-05 03:02 <Melanie_> then replace core with avination entirely
2015-09-05 03:02 <dahlia> oh I missed the word "stacks" in your last sentence
2015-09-05 03:02 <dahlia> (blindness sux)
2015-09-05 03:03 <Melanie_> and the current (as of a few hours ago) merge to core master already allows logins and seem to work
2015-09-05 03:03 <smxy> Why must Core become Avination?
2015-09-05 03:03 <Melanie_> because we have been pulling from core and making massive improvements
2015-09-05 03:04 <Melanie_> so we're putting those into core
2015-09-05 03:04 <Melanie_> but it can't be done commit-by-commit
2015-09-05 03:04 <Melanie_> read up on git to see why
2015-09-05 03:04 <smxy> But you don't even support HG, I thought.
2015-09-05 03:04 <Melanie_> core will have the merged commit history
2015-09-05 03:04 <Melanie_> it's not like it's an opaque megacommit
2015-09-05 03:04 <Melanie_> we don't support HG as a grid
2015-09-05 03:04 <Melanie_> but it wasn't removed from our sofware
2015-09-05 03:04 <Melanie_> we just didn't improve it
2015-09-05 03:05 <Melanie_> core did so those improvements are being merged
2015-09-05 03:05 <Melanie_> the end result is a core opensim with all of avination's improvements
2015-09-05 03:05 <Melanie_> i'm donating the whole shebang
2015-09-05 03:05 <diva> +1
2015-09-05 03:06 <smxy> Wait, the core team tells everyone else they have to submit small, one-thing-at-a-time patches, but you're going to replace all of Core with Avination in one shot? :)
2015-09-05 03:06 <smxy> I'd have to agree with that +1
2015-09-05 03:06 <Melanie_> yes. but the history will have all patches as avn did them over time
2015-09-05 03:06 <diva> she's been merging with core
2015-09-05 03:06 <Melanie_> it's not a "megacommit" you can't make heads or tails of
2015-09-05 03:07 <Melanie_> i could just do a file for file replacement
2015-09-05 03:07 <Melanie_> and it would be opaque
2015-09-05 03:07 <Melanie_> and massive
2015-09-05 03:07 <Melanie_> and no one could maintain it
2015-09-05 03:07 <Melanie_> but instead we're merging the histories
2015-09-05 03:07 <Melanie_> so every commit done to the closed source code base of avination will be visible
2015-09-05 03:07 <Melanie_> individually
2015-09-05 03:08 <smxy> I thought Avination code was proprietary. What will that make Core, afterwards?
2015-09-05 03:08 <Melanie_> BSD
2015-09-05 03:08 <Melanie_> all avination core belong to me :)
2015-09-05 03:08 <smxy> ok
2015-09-05 03:08 <Melanie_> i can relicense it in whatever way i see fit
2015-09-05 03:08 <smxy> yes, and if Core becomes Avination, then does that mean you own Core?
2015-09-05 03:08 <Melanie_> it's either been volunteer work under bSD
2015-09-05 03:08 <diva> no
2015-09-05 03:09 <Melanie_> or work for hire
2015-09-05 03:09 <Melanie_> or my own work
2015-09-05 03:09 <Melanie_> BSD i NSD
2015-09-05 03:09 <Melanie_> is BSD*
2015-09-05 03:09 <diva> Melanie_ wil be donating the Avination improvements to core, that's all
2015-09-05 03:09 <smxy> Okay, and cool.
2015-09-05 03:09 <diva> she'll do it is a git-fu manner
2015-09-05 03:09 <Melanie_> when i relicense avn as bsd, it becomes everyone's to use and improve
2015-09-05 03:09 <smxy> Got it.
2015-09-05 03:10 <Melanie_> i believe the avn codebase already has all bsd headers
2015-09-05 03:10 <Melanie_> if not, we'll change them
2015-09-05 03:10 <Melanie_> as for motivation
2015-09-05 03:10 <smxy> If it doesn't, they can certainly be added.
2015-09-05 03:10 <Melanie_> opensim has arrived at a crossroads
2015-09-05 03:10 <Melanie_> for me, that means sevarl choices
2015-09-05 03:10 <Melanie_> wearing my avination hat, i could
2015-09-05 03:10 <Melanie_> - keep all my goodness and let opensim struggle
2015-09-05 03:11 <Melanie_> - forego all the future stuff because it's based on code i can no longer merge
2015-09-05 03:11 <Melanie_> wearing my core hat, i could
2015-09-05 03:11 <Melanie_> - develop new concepts and features i could not use i my own grid
2015-09-05 03:11 <Melanie_> - donate the whole thing and make it the basis to grow from
2015-09-05 03:12 <Melanie_> so, which combination looks the most attractive?
2015-09-05 03:12 <dahlia_> or, you could do all your improvements in modules and change core if necessary to support those modules
2015-09-05 03:12 <smxy> Is there any functionality in Core that would be lost or behave differently, when it becomes Avination?
2015-09-05 03:12 <danbanner> is XEngine getting replaced?
2015-09-05 03:12 <Melanie_> i left out the option of dojng private development ony. it doesn't work in this day and age
2015-09-05 03:13 <Melanie_> XEngine is not being replaced yet
2015-09-05 03:13 <diva> yeah are you donating the XEngine replacement?
2015-09-05 03:13 <Melanie_> but it may be in the future
2015-09-05 03:13 <smxy> Ah, so not everything is coming.
2015-09-05 03:13 <Melanie_> smxy: if so, it would be due to regressions that need fixing
2015-09-05 03:13 <smxy> okay, so nothing intentional then.
2015-09-05 03:13 <Melanie_> i'm donating all avn's core code changes
2015-09-05 03:14 <Melanie_> NOT the private modules we have
2015-09-05 03:14 <Melanie_> i may pick and choose and donate some
2015-09-05 03:14 <Melanie_> later
2015-09-05 03:14 <Melanie_> many are just specific to our architecture and website and of no use to core
2015-09-05 03:15 <Melanie_> others are specific to large walled gardens and while i want to further virtual worlds and opensource, i don't intend to directly help direct competitors
2015-09-05 03:15 <smxy> This sounds like a massive undertaking. What's the timeframe on this happening - months, a year, ?
2015-09-05 03:15 <dahlia_> it doesnt bother me if you keep modules as long as core is able to accept similar modules that others may develop
2015-09-05 03:15 <Melanie_> i haven't heard back from misterblue 
2015-09-05 03:16 <Melanie_> ubit has managed to merge up to core as of 2 days agao
2015-09-05 03:16 <Melanie_> it does need fixes
2015-09-05 03:16 <Melanie_> and the stuff moses ut in got broken
2015-09-05 03:16 <Melanie_> so that still needs fixing
2015-09-05 03:16 <dahlia_> the last 2 days were big ones ;)
2015-09-05 03:16 <Melanie_> but it's close
2015-09-05 03:16 <Melanie_> dahlia: the last 2 days have seen no dovergent development in avination, though
2015-09-05 03:16 <nebadon> nice
2015-09-05 03:16 <Melanie_> so it's copy/paste
2015-09-05 03:17 <Melanie_> last i heard, log in, physics, teleports and objects work
2015-09-05 03:17 <Melanie_> i need to personally audit permissions
2015-09-05 03:17 <Melanie_> once i get told it's done save for that
2015-09-05 03:17 <dahlia_> so far nothing diva has done recenty seems to affect any of my modules
2015-09-05 03:17 <Melanie_> the avn merge WILL remove the harmful permissions patch justin accepted
2015-09-05 03:17 <Melanie_> because avn never took it
2015-09-05 03:18 <smxy> what'd tha patch do?
2015-09-05 03:18 <Melanie_> it caused permissions to be applied in a more restrictive, SL-incompatible way
2015-09-05 03:18 <Melanie_> in a nutshell
2015-09-05 03:19 <Melanie_> if you create a prim and make it full perm
2015-09-05 03:19 <Melanie_> then put a scrpt inside it
2015-09-05 03:19 <Melanie_> and make it no modify
2015-09-05 03:19 <Melanie_> the you take that prim and give it to someone else
2015-09-05 03:19 <Melanie_> in sl it will show as a no-modify object in inventory
2015-09-05 03:19 <notskittles> i hacked around that a few weeks ago for yrgrid. it's a really silly bug and very frustrating for creators.
2015-09-05 03:19 <Melanie_> a common misconcepton is that the prim, when rezzedm should be no modify
2015-09-05 03:19 <Melanie_> whenin fact the prim must remain full perm
2015-09-05 03:20 <smxy> yes, just the script stays no mod, right?
2015-09-05 03:20 <Melanie_> correct
2015-09-05 03:20 <smxy> and in OS?
2015-09-05 03:20 <Melanie_> the patch made that misconpetion true
2015-09-05 03:20 <smxy> ah
2015-09-05 03:20 <Melanie_> so people would lose required permissions on items
2015-09-05 03:20 <Melanie_> dance balls, vendors, whatever
2015-09-05 03:20 <Melanie_> they would not work
2015-09-05 03:20 <Melanie_> becaue having no mod script in them made the objects no mod on rez
2015-09-05 03:20 <dahlia_> I thought the prim would show as no modify in inventory in SL but would indeed be full perm once you take the script out
2015-09-05 03:21 <Melanie_> causing the user to be unable to edit configuration notecards!
2015-09-05 03:21 <Melanie_> dahlia: in SL, yes
2015-09-05 03:21 <notskittles> i've always thought that the disconnect between inventory permissions and prim permissions was an oversight. since it is possible to give out objects that are full permission, but appear to be no mod, no transfer in inventory.
2015-09-05 03:21 <Melanie_> but the patch justin accepted made the object's folded permissions the object permissions
2015-09-05 03:21 <notskittles> it has... uses, but in general it is a surprising thing for new users.
2015-09-05 03:21 <smxy> Right, because Inventory shows the most restrictive permission any part of the item has.
2015-09-05 03:22 <dahlia_> ya
2015-09-05 03:22 <Melanie_> i believe that, outside of linden labs, there is no person who knows permissions better than i do
2015-09-05 03:22 <notskittles> they're about out of people who know permissions working on sl itself now tho.
2015-09-05 03:22 <dahlia_> <.<  >.>
2015-09-05 03:22 <Melanie_> lol
2015-09-05 03:23 <Melanie_> well, the lab in it's heyday, then
2015-09-05 03:23 <notskittles> so you know as much as everyone who went to go work for phil at hifi then. lol
2015-09-05 03:23 <notskittles> after quitting ll.
2015-09-05 03:24 <Melanie_> he didn't phil me in
2015-09-05 03:24 <smxy> ha ha
2015-09-05 03:25 <smxy> I see what you did there.
2015-09-05 03:25 <dahlia_> some lindens thought Melanie_ was the devil
2015-09-05 03:25 <smxy> They were right. :)
2015-09-05 03:25 <Melanie_> CG said "I've met the Enemy" after returning to the Lab from Amsterdam
2015-09-05 03:26 <dahlia_> most of them liked me :) *gloats*
2015-09-05 03:26 <smxy> lol
2015-09-05 03:26 <Melanie_> he also said to me "You're the one who took all our gamblers"
2015-09-05 03:26 <Melanie_> but they're in yrgrid now
2015-09-05 03:27 <dahlia_> they kicked out all their gamblers
2015-09-05 03:28 <dahlia_> ahhh the good old days... when I had an army of AI campbots and SL had lots of casinos all competing to attract campers....
2015-09-05 03:28 <Melanie_> those were the days
2015-09-05 03:28 <dahlia_> they were :)
2015-09-05 03:29 <Melanie_> if it hadn't been for the electricity bill
2015-09-05 03:29 <Melanie_> one could have gotten rich
2015-09-05 03:29 <dahlia_> and all my campbots played tiny empires while camping :D
2015-09-05 03:29 <Melanie_> lol
2015-09-05 03:29 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/look-out-carl.png
2015-09-05 03:29 <dahlia_> 
ACTION had a pretty huge TE downline

2015-09-05 03:29 <nebadon> look at the parcel name :P
2015-09-05 03:30 <notskittles> my first sl account got banned because of the gambling ban. i used to have a casino in sl. :(
2015-09-05 03:30 <nebadon> that was a fun year
2015-09-05 03:30 <dahlia_> notskittles: thanks for all the camping L$ :)
2015-09-05 03:31 <notskittles> haha
2015-09-05 03:31 <notskittles> they paid me some of what they took back a couple years ago now after that class action settlement.
2015-09-05 03:31 <Melanie_> wow
2015-09-05 03:32 <notskittles> they took my sim, my USD balance, my L$, and all my games, plus my account.
2015-09-05 03:32 <notskittles> i was asleep when they banned gambling and i didn't wake up until it was too late.
2015-09-05 03:32 <Melanie_> erm
2015-09-05 03:32 <dahlia_> no notice?
2015-09-05 03:32 <nebadon> ouch
2015-09-05 03:32 <notskittles> it was like 12 hours notice. :O
2015-09-05 03:32 <Melanie_> their own friggin' tos doesn't allow them to take your USD balance!
2015-09-05 03:33 <Melanie_> not even when you violate it
2015-09-05 03:33 <notskittles> well they took my USD balance, and they even took my boss's USD balance just last year.
2015-09-05 03:33 <dahlia_> nebadon: about the same time: http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:8099/screenshots/idealistAtWPLoadTest01.jpg
2015-09-05 03:33 <Melanie_> well, now they're a MSB they def can't do that anymore
2015-09-05 03:33 <Melanie_> but it wasn't legal even then
2015-09-05 03:34 <dahlia_> MSB?
2015-09-05 03:34 <Melanie_> money servie business
2015-09-05 03:34 <nebadon> i was never much of a gambler but the SL casinos were the funnest thing i ever experienced in SL
2015-09-05 03:34 <nebadon> almost everyone i considered a good friend in SL i met via a casino
2015-09-05 03:34 <nebadon> lol
2015-09-05 03:34 <diva> Melanie_ here's a problem I would like to solve eventually: networking for the corporate and university environment. What's the cleanest way to route all the UDP traffic through TCP port 80? A 2-way proxy?
2015-09-05 03:35 <notskittles> it was so much fun back then. so much money flying around, and push guns.
2015-09-05 03:35 <dahlia_> I knew a scripter who made several hundred thousand US$ making casino games
2015-09-05 03:35 <Melanie_> diva: none. not. possible.
2015-09-05 03:35 <Melanie_> the issue is the usual
2015-09-05 03:35 <diva> of course it's possible
2015-09-05 03:35 <Melanie_> tcp is reliable and will retry any update sent
2015-09-05 03:35 <notskittles> my casino bought my groceries and entertainment every month.
2015-09-05 03:35 <Melanie_> UDP is unreliable
2015-09-05 03:35 <nebadon> ah ya udp
2015-09-05 03:36 <nebadon> i was only thinking tcp
2015-09-05 03:36 <Melanie_> ObjectUpdate is a packet that is meant to be lost by design
2015-09-05 03:36 <dahlia_> diva: just use event queue, it was designed for that
2015-09-05 03:36 <Melanie_> dahlia: no, it would saturate the link
2015-09-05 03:36 <dahlia_> and yes it will be laggier but it can work reasonably well
2015-09-05 03:36 <diva> but if you have a local proxy on both the users machine and the server, there won't be any losses
2015-09-05 03:36 <dahlia_> Melanie_: I've done it
2015-09-05 03:36 <Melanie_> in order to tunnel opensim traffic, a new breed of client i sneeded
2015-09-05 03:36 <Melanie_> dahlia: you used a new breed of client
2015-09-05 03:37 <dahlia_> doesnt matter, I tranferred the same info
2015-09-05 03:37 <dahlia_> in real time
2015-09-05 03:37 <Melanie_> if you try to tunnel the current UDP load over TCP, you will get to the point of link saturation
2015-09-05 03:37 <Melanie_> where massive lag is seen
2015-09-05 03:37 <dahlia_> I was not suggesting tunneling
2015-09-05 03:37 <Melanie_> you can't tunnel what the client needs now
2015-09-05 03:38 <Melanie_> you need a client feedback loop
2015-09-05 03:38 <dahlia_> I was suggesting moving UDP messages to theevent queue
2015-09-05 03:38 <Melanie_> where the client tells the sim what it got
2015-09-05 03:38 <Melanie_> and the sim culls updates based on that
2015-09-05 03:38 <Melanie_> that will not work
2015-09-05 03:38 <Melanie_> the event queue is _reliable_
2015-09-05 03:38 <dahlia_> anyway diva, there are VPNs that gamers use to do tunneling
2015-09-05 03:38 <Melanie_> it has no mechanism to drop packets if the client can't handle them
2015-09-05 03:38 <dahlia_> dont drop them
2015-09-05 03:39 <Melanie_> need to drop them
2015-09-05 03:39 <diva> what vpns dahlia?
2015-09-05 03:39 <dahlia_> no you dont, it just lags when that happens
2015-09-05 03:39 <diva> and can that be packaged with the viewer?
2015-09-05 03:39 <Melanie_> opensim sends more total bytes than most client pipes can handle
2015-09-05 03:39 <dahlia_> diva: I dont know of any in particular but gamers have many vpns they use
2015-09-05 03:39 <Melanie_> lag is unacceptable
2015-09-05 03:40 <dahlia_> people play games in china and in corporations behind firewalls
2015-09-05 03:40 <Melanie_> the most popular vpn is hamachi
2015-09-05 03:40 <dahlia_> lag happens with UDP. People are just used to it
2015-09-05 03:40 <smxy> I run Firestorm, connected to Sl over a VPN and it seems fine.
2015-09-05 03:40 <Melanie_> making all udp traffic tcp makes lag build up
2015-09-05 03:41 <dahlia_> diva: there is also a socks proxy built into many viewers
2015-09-05 03:41 <Melanie_> in the end, you will have 20 seconds movement lag
2015-09-05 03:41 <dahlia_> Melanie_: I've done it
2015-09-05 03:41 <diva> dahlia these viewers?
2015-09-05 03:41 <Melanie_> the flood of updates needs to be paced based on feedback from clients
2015-09-05 03:41 <Melanie_> to make tcp viable
2015-09-05 03:41 <dahlia_> diva: singularity has one
2015-09-05 03:41 <diva> really?!
2015-09-05 03:41 <dahlia_> yes
2015-09-05 03:41 <diva> where? how?
2015-09-05 03:41 <dahlia_> let me look
2015-09-05 03:41 <dahlia_> it may not be working code
2015-09-05 03:41 <Melanie_> dahlia: you probably had a decent pipe but some people are ill on DIALUP!
2015-09-05 03:42 <diva> and by socks you mean websockets?
2015-09-05 03:42 <dahlia_> preferences->Netowrk
2015-09-05 03:42 <Melanie_> many people across the world have less than 112kbit/s downstream
2015-09-05 03:42 <dahlia_> no I mean socks
2015-09-05 03:42 <Melanie_> and possibly 16kbit/s up
2015-09-05 03:42 <dahlia_> socks is a tunneling protocol
2015-09-05 03:42 <diva> interesting
2015-09-05 03:42 <diva> what does that do?
2015-09-05 03:42 <Melanie_> tcp can not deliver the lossiness required to make it work for everyone. 
2015-09-05 03:43 <dahlia_> tunnels over a ssh link
2015-09-05 03:43 <Melanie_> ideal conditions, sure, it works
2015-09-05 03:43 <Melanie_> but it won't work over mobile internet in africa
2015-09-05 03:43 <diva> Iso what do I need to have ?
2015-09-05 03:43 <diva> to serve this?
2015-09-05 03:43 <notskittles> alchemy has SOCKS5 for udp traffic too.
2015-09-05 03:43 <dahlia_> Melanie_: it works. There are times when it is a little laggier but it works
2015-09-05 03:43 <dahlia_> if it comes to tcp or nothing, I'd take tcp
2015-09-05 03:43 <Melanie_> diva: socks5 is something the client (person who wants to access a world across a filrewall) needs to have set up
2015-09-05 03:44 <diva> oh man I want to know meverything about these socks thing. I had NO IDEA!
2015-09-05 03:44 <diva> how does it work?
2015-09-05 03:44 <Melanie_> dahlia_: lag is unacceptable
2015-09-05 03:44 <diva> what do I need to have on the other end?
2015-09-05 03:44 <diva> ...
2015-09-05 03:44 <notskittles> https://imgur.com/yMypMOw
2015-09-05 03:44 <Melanie_> it maybe be ok of you have amostly static presentation
2015-09-05 03:44 <diva> networking is the major PITA for me
2015-09-05 03:44 <Melanie_> but rpg/fighting doesn't work wth lag
2015-09-05 03:44 <dahlia_> Melanie_: ok well no webgl client for anyone who thinks tcp is unacceptable then
2015-09-05 03:45 <diva> notskittle can you explain to me how this works
2015-09-05 03:45 <diva> so I need to have a server somewhere
2015-09-05 03:46 <notskittles> this probably can explain it better than i can http://etherealmind.com/fast-introduction-to-socks-proxy/
2015-09-05 03:46 <dahlia_> diva:  you need to be able to ssh to a machine outside your firewall and that machine needs to allow port forwarding
2015-09-05 03:46 <notskittles> yes, a squid server or something.
2015-09-05 03:46 <dahlia_> set that machine as your socks proxy
2015-09-05 03:46 <Melanie_> to make tcp work, packets need to be timestamped and the timestamp delay needs to be sent back to the server
2015-09-05 03:46 <Melanie_> so the server knows the % of unreliable packets to drop at the source
2015-09-05 03:46 <diva> omg! This is just amazing. I had NO IDEA :) I guess I found a new project for the weekend
2015-09-05 03:46 <dahlia_> Melanie_: many online MMORPG games use TCP
2015-09-05 03:46 <Melanie_> simulating udp network losses
2015-09-05 03:47 <Melanie_> thent hey use just that method
2015-09-05 03:47 <Melanie_> to discover sustained/peak bandwidth for each client
2015-09-05 03:47 <Melanie_> and then do culling on the server
2015-09-05 03:48 <Melanie_> the results of server side culling, done right, would be superior to the natual losses UDP causes
2015-09-05 03:48 <dahlia_> personally I would not assume I knew all that they do to minimize lag
2015-09-05 03:48 <dahlia_> but I do know a few tricks :)
2015-09-05 03:48 <Melanie_> because server side culling can always assure that the final position update for every object does arrive
2015-09-05 03:48 <Melanie_> dropping intermediates
2015-09-05 03:48 <Melanie_> while udp may well drop the final update
2015-09-05 03:49 <Melanie_> i don't say tcp can't be done. it can be done and can be done well
2015-09-05 03:49 <dahlia_> you're making the assumption that the tcp link you use for motion is the same you use for scene delivery
2015-09-05 03:49 <Melanie_> but not by just moving the LL protocol to the event queu unmodified
2015-09-05 03:49 <Melanie_> lag management IS needed
2015-09-05 03:49 <dahlia_> replacing UDP for draconian firewalls was a design goal for EventQueueGet
2015-09-05 03:50 <Melanie_> i'm making hte assumption that in order to account for low client bandwidth, the server needs to reduce the update rate
2015-09-05 03:50 <Melanie_> whether or not the channels are common or separate is immaterial
2015-09-05 03:50 <Melanie_> as bandwidth is the sum of both
2015-09-05 03:50 <Melanie_> you can get less perceived motion lag with separate channels
2015-09-05 03:50 <dahlia_> if you have low bandwidth, you have limited delivery UDP or TCP
2015-09-05 03:50 <Melanie_> but scene buildup and object motion is also important
2015-09-05 03:51 <Melanie_> so the client needs to determine the total delay per time unit and send that to the server
2015-09-05 03:51 <Melanie_> so it can adjust how many updates to coalesce
2015-09-05 03:51 <Melanie_> the LL client lacks that feedback loop
2015-09-05 03:53 <dahlia_> bandwidth limits everything, If you have low bandwidth you experience lag while scenes are loading with the current protocols. TCP is not necessarily going to make this worse
2015-09-05 03:53 <Melanie_> with udp, you don't get lag
2015-09-05 03:53 <Melanie_> you get missing pieces
2015-09-05 03:54 <dahlia_> I get lots of lag while wright plaza is loading
2015-09-05 03:54 <Melanie_> that is actually switchport lag
2015-09-05 03:54 <Melanie_> not net lag
2015-09-05 03:54 <dahlia_> switchport?
2015-09-05 03:54 <Melanie_> yes
2015-09-05 03:54 <dahlia_> define pls
2015-09-05 03:54 <Melanie_> datacenter stuff
2015-09-05 03:54 <Melanie_> when you get WP
2015-09-05 03:55 <Melanie_> WP will send you more data thanthe DC will allow any server to send to a single destination
2015-09-05 03:55 <Melanie_> it gets throttled there
2015-09-05 03:55 <Melanie_> not om your isp last mile
2015-09-05 03:55 <dahlia_> the datacenter switches can handle a lot more traffic than my measily little home connection
2015-09-05 03:55 <Melanie_> it's rate limited
2015-09-05 03:55 <Melanie_> do a stint in a NOC
2015-09-05 03:55 <Melanie_> then you know
2015-09-05 03:55 <Melanie_> they won't tell you
2015-09-05 03:55 <dahlia_> its rate limited while people are watching netflix, yes
2015-09-05 03:56 <Melanie_> but point-to-point dta rate is limited
2015-09-05 03:56 <Melanie_> nope
2015-09-05 03:56 <Melanie_> the DC rte-limits things so as to not allow a single host to usurp it's switching fabric
2015-09-05 03:56 <Melanie_> so you may not get more than 100kbps out of a point to point connection
2015-09-05 03:56 <Melanie_> even if youhave 100mbps switchport
2015-09-05 03:56 <dahlia_> well Melanie_ I have been experimenting with various protocol implementations for the last 7 years and I haven't seen any of what you describe
2015-09-05 03:57 <diva> sorry RL interrupted
2015-09-05 03:57 <Melanie_> and the dc has 1000gbps
2015-09-05 03:57 <Melanie_> it depends on your contract's fine print
2015-09-05 03:57 <diva> so notskittles, Singularity doesn't do UDP 'socks' but Alchemy does?
2015-09-05 03:57 <Melanie_> the server contract, that os
2015-09-05 03:57 <diva> in Singu it this only for http traffic?
2015-09-05 03:58 <dahlia_> it was my impression that the socks in the viewers did both tcp and udp
2015-09-05 03:58 <notskittles> i'm not sure what singu's does. LiruCookies might know.
2015-09-05 03:59 <dahlia_> I think MichelleZ may have been the one who contributed the socks stuff
2015-09-05 03:59 <dahlia_> but she's not around much any more
2015-09-05 04:00 <Melanie_> the stuf i'm working on will allow native opensim clients to run http or websockets
2015-09-05 04:00 <CakeDog> LL has rewritten giant chunks of the SOCKS code since then anyway :p
2015-09-05 04:00 <Melanie_> and yes i know, dahlia_ , you've been there, done that
2015-09-05 04:00 <Melanie_> but you never published any of that work, neither client module nor client
2015-09-05 04:01 <diva> CakeDog so Singu probably doesn't have it?
2015-09-05 04:01 <dahlia_> no but I'm not speculating on theory, I'm using tests done with working code
2015-09-05 04:01 <diva> oh man I want this really badly, like, yesterday!
2015-09-05 04:01 <dahlia_> I dont see socks setup in alchemy
2015-09-05 04:02 <Melanie_> dahlia_: do you get any kind of pleasure out of dangling these fruits here?
2015-09-05 04:02 <dahlia_> Melanie_: not at all. Dangling is not my intention. 
2015-09-05 04:02 <CakeDog> diva: Singularity has some version of it
2015-09-05 04:02 <Melanie_> when in fact i know that you don't even put price tags on our code, you seem to just keepit all for yourself?
2015-09-05 04:02 <dahlia_> I'm sorry it bothers you that I have private code.
2015-09-05 04:03 <Melanie_> what bothers me is the gloating
2015-09-05 04:03 <Melanie_> publish it
2015-09-05 04:03 <Melanie_> or sell it
2015-09-05 04:03 <Melanie_> but don't just gloat
2015-09-05 04:03 <dahlia_> I'm not gloating at all.
2015-09-05 04:03 <CmdrCupcake> dahlia_: Look in Preferences, Setup Tab, Proxy Settings button
2015-09-05 04:03 <Melanie_> 
ACTION blames dahlia for everything

2015-09-05 04:03 <CmdrCupcake> I really want to redo the preferences one day -.- They're all over the place
2015-09-05 04:03 <notskittles> yeah, it spawns it's own settings floater, i posted a pic of it.
2015-09-05 04:04 <dahlia_> 
ACTION thinks Melanie_ should go out for a walk

2015-09-05 04:04 <notskittles> not nearly as bad as fs tho CmdrCupcake ;)
2015-09-05 04:04 <diva> so there are socks servers out there?
2015-09-05 04:04 <notskittles> firestorm is the only software to rival KDE in preferences clutter.
2015-09-05 04:05 <notskittles> lots of them diva.
2015-09-05 04:05 <Melanie_> dahlia_, the frutrating part is that you tell us you're working on something, then tell us it's done, then clam up. contacting you about buying it is met with more or less a stonewall
2015-09-05 04:05 <Melanie_> offers of cooperation fizzle as well
2015-09-05 04:05 <diva> which one would you recommend?
2015-09-05 04:06 <Melanie_> basically, you say you ave code, you won't publish it, you don't caim to have sold it exclusively but yet will not put a price tag on it
2015-09-05 04:06 <notskittles> i have one i use through sdf.lonestar.org
2015-09-05 04:06 <CmdrCupcake> My only experience witht he socks proxy stuff is using it over ssh :P
2015-09-05 04:06 <diva> omg another cave on the Internet that I had no idea it existed!
2015-09-05 04:06 <notskittles> you can find lots of free ones out there though too, they go on and offline a lot though.
2015-09-05 04:06 <diva> can I host it myself?
2015-09-05 04:06 <dahlia_> Melanie_: If you want to air dirt... I vaguely remember you offering to help with something and you never did any of the part you said, all you did was try to browbeat me into rewriting all of what I had working already in a way you wanted that wouldnt work at all.
2015-09-05 04:07 <notskittles> yes
2015-09-05 04:07 <diva> so which server should I use? SS5 (I found that on Sourcefirge)
2015-09-05 04:07 <notskittles> you can turn any linux server into a SOCKS5 proxy in one command.
2015-09-05 04:07 <notskittles> ssh -N -D 0.0.0.0:1080 localhost
2015-09-05 04:08 <Melanie_> dahlia_: I never saw a line of code, or any interface specs, i could have worked on. the negotiations went nowhere because you were unwilling to bend even a little and i was unable to anything without even a snippet of code
2015-09-05 04:08 <Melanie_> that was pathfinding
2015-09-05 04:08 <diva> what?!?
2015-09-05 04:08 <diva> my head is exploding right now :D
2015-09-05 04:08 <Melanie_> diva: refering to dahlia_ & myself?
2015-09-05 04:08 <nebadon> 
ACTION wipes bits of divas head off his shoulder..

2015-09-05 04:08 <notskittles> if you want something better, check out squid. it can do socks5 too.
2015-09-05 04:09 <diva> no, girls, I'm talking about what notskittle is telling me 
2015-09-05 04:09 <CmdrCupcake> 
ACTION is hiding under an umbrella 

2015-09-05 04:09 <notskittles> http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/Socks
2015-09-05 04:09 <Melanie_> so you didn't know proxies were out there?
2015-09-05 04:09 <diva> I didnt know there were proxies tfor these kinds of traffic specifically. I thought I had to write one myself
2015-09-05 04:09 <Melanie_> you can even get VPS anonymously and pay with bitcoins
2015-09-05 04:09 <Melanie_> so even the LEOs can't trace you
2015-09-05 04:10 <nebadon> lol
2015-09-05 04:10 <Melanie_> google "seedbox"
2015-09-05 04:10 <dahlia_> Melanie_: you didnt give me a chance to show code. You did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING on the parts you were going to deliver, not even investigate the APIs. You did not want what I had because it wasnt designed the way you wanted. As a concession, I made you aware of a library which would work the way you wanted and you got even madder.
2015-09-05 04:10 <diva> I don't care about any of that. All that matters is the PITA that the networking is for corporate and university users
2015-09-05 04:10 <dahlia_> now I'd prefer to not air more dirt here.
2015-09-05 04:10 <nebadon> ya we just need to make sure that its safe is all
2015-09-05 04:10 <diva> if there is a way for alleviate that PITA I want it yesterday!
2015-09-05 04:10 <nebadon> cant let just anyone proxy through it
2015-09-05 04:10 <notskittles> yeah, that's one of the reasons i have sdf. university firewalls always blocking me. lol
2015-09-05 04:11 <CmdrCupcake> diva: I had the pleasure of helping a certain fortune 500 get SL working behind their firewall...I hated dealing with their IT dept :P
2015-09-05 04:11 <Melanie_> dahlia_: the library would have necessitated me writing all the interfacing to opensim myself, duplicating work you had already done. in what way is that efficient?
2015-09-05 04:11 <Melanie_> dahlia_: i got nothing from you. not one interface, not one api. 
2015-09-05 04:12 <Melanie_> dahlia_: so how could i have done the things i said i would do? with no way to test? you didn't even trust me enough to give me a BINARY!
2015-09-05 04:12 <dahlia_> Melanie_: what is your problem?
2015-09-05 04:13 <diva> well it looks like I'll be making some experiments this weekend
2015-09-05 04:13 <diva> I hope this also routes UDP traffic
2015-09-05 04:13 <Melanie_> dahlia_ my problem is that you keep referring to code you have that is so light-years ahead, but i've never seen you share any of it. or even put a price tag on it. not even a ridiculous one you flat refused t share always.
2015-09-05 04:13 <notskittles> it does, at least in alchemy it does.
2015-09-05 04:13 <dahlia_> and you have a lot of code on avination
2015-09-05 04:13 <dahlia_> so whats the big deal?
2015-09-05 04:14 <Melanie_> dahlia_: in avination's heyday, if you'd have quoted me $75000 for a working web client, you would have gotten it
2015-09-05 04:14 <Melanie_> but no
2015-09-05 04:14 <Melanie_> not quote
2015-09-05 04:14 <Melanie_> no price
2015-09-05 04:14 <Melanie_> just flat refusal
2015-09-05 04:14 <dahlia_> I never refused. And no, I would have quoted more.
2015-09-05 04:14 <smxy> Alright ladies ...
2015-09-05 04:15 <Melanie_> so can you understand why i'm so p'd off at you always claiming to have all the solutions, but never put your money where your mouth is?
2015-09-05 04:15 <Melanie_> you didn't quote that is the issue
2015-09-05 04:15 <dahlia_> I never claim to have all the solutions. I share what I know to help others dealing with the problem.
2015-09-05 04:16 <Melanie_> sharing is sharing code, not opaque staements
2015-09-05 04:16 <dahlia_> if you view my sharing as a threat... you are misinterpreting
2015-09-05 04:17 <Melanie_> i view your sharing as stymiying independent deveopment
2015-09-05 04:17 <Melanie_> if you're not willing to show the code, then just don't present the conclusions as fact
2015-09-05 04:17 <diva> alright, hopes high, I'm signing out. NN
2015-09-05 04:17 <diva> peace, people
2015-09-05 04:17 <smxy> 
ACTION reaches for the popcorn ...

2015-09-05 04:17 <dahlia_> and now I view your current diatribe as your trying to coerce me into releasing code. Your efforts are pushing my eventual relase even farther out
2015-09-05 04:17 <Melanie_> 
ACTION snatches the poopcorn before smxy can grab it

2015-09-05 04:17 <dahlia_> so keep it up
2015-09-05 04:18 <diva> nebadon did you hear this conversation
2015-09-05 04:18 <diva> we need to experiment with this
2015-09-05 04:18 <Melanie_> dahlia_: i have lost faith in you ever releasing anything before it's been done by others
2015-09-05 04:18 <dahlia_> fine
2015-09-05 04:19 <Melanie_> and your unwillingness to even SELL it makes me doubt you even have it
2015-09-05 04:19 <CmdrCupcake> 
ACTION already finished the popcorn and moved onto to candy <.<

2015-09-05 04:19 <dahlia_> you've run it on your own browser
2015-09-05 04:19 <Melanie_> 
ACTION is mainly thinkig pathfinding at thi stime

2015-09-05 04:19 <Melanie_> yes i have run web based clients you demoed
2015-09-05 04:20 <Melanie_> but i don't know what the caveats would be
2015-09-05 04:20 <Melanie_> i don't know anything beyond the pure experience
2015-09-05 04:20 <Melanie_> i just don't understand your unwillingness to put a price ag on your work
2015-09-05 04:20 <dahlia_> and no, I have no intention of releasing pathfinding. I can't find a partner who is wiling to implement the LSL parts of it and it's not reliable enough for me to release unsupported and I cant afford to support it.
2015-09-05 04:21 <dahlia_> There are others working on the problem
2015-09-05 04:21 <Melanie_> well, ther eis always the option of dumping it on the community
2015-09-05 04:21 <dahlia_> I'm willing to step aside and let them take the glory
2015-09-05 04:21 <Melanie_> but you will not share your work, so you'll make them all do it over again
2015-09-05 04:21 <Melanie_> that is wasteful
2015-09-05 04:22 <Melanie_> it's not logical
2015-09-05 04:22 <dahlia_> I gave you a library
2015-09-05 04:22 <dahlia_> which was very similar to the architecture you dictated
2015-09-05 04:22 <Melanie_> you pointed me to a library anyone could use, you did not share ANY of your work
2015-09-05 04:22 <smxy> Time for bed. Night All.
2015-09-05 04:22 <dahlia_> nn
2015-09-05 04:22 <Melanie_> NN smxy 
2015-09-05 04:22 <dahlia_> and you did NOTHING about the LSL API
2015-09-05 04:23 <Melanie_> dahlia_, I can't develop what I an't test
2015-09-05 04:23 <smxy> Try not to say anything either of you will regret. :)
2015-09-05 04:23 <dahlia_> all I heard was "I can do that any time"
2015-09-05 04:23 <Melanie_> there were all sorts of things we could have agreed on
2015-09-05 04:23 <dahlia_> smxy: the point of regret has long passed
2015-09-05 04:23 <Melanie_> from mutial NDA for the common good to straight out purchase
2015-09-05 04:23 <Melanie_> you never allowed any of these options
2015-09-05 04:23 <dahlia_> and I dont sign NDAs
2015-09-05 04:23 <dahlia_> EVER
2015-09-05 04:24 <Melanie_> you expected me to develop into the wide blue yinder
2015-09-05 04:24 <Melanie_> with the very real option of, once i get the real code, seeing i have to redo everything
2015-09-05 04:24 <dahlia_> you can implement it as you wishl
2015-09-05 04:24 <Melanie_> no i can't, not if it's supposed to work with YOUR code
2015-09-05 04:24 <Melanie_> in order to do that i need YOUR code to test wit
2015-09-05 04:24 <dahlia_> work it with your own code
2015-09-05 04:25 <dahlia_> I have no incentive 
2015-09-05 04:25 <Melanie_> i don't HAVE pathfinding code
2015-09-05 04:25 <dahlia_> I gave you pathfinding code
2015-09-05 04:25 <Melanie_> you gave me a link to a generic libray
2015-09-05 04:25 <dahlia_> use it
2015-09-05 04:25 <Melanie_> you did not give me the missing piece
2015-09-05 04:25 <dahlia_> and I have no incentive to
2015-09-05 04:25 <Melanie_> dahlia_, I told you once, I will tell you again
2015-09-05 04:25 <Melanie_> I DO NOT KNOW MESH
2015-09-05 04:26 <Melanie_> I CAN NOT CREATE NAVMESHES
2015-09-05 04:26 <dahlia_> mesh decoders are in core
2015-09-05 04:26 <dahlia_> the library creates them
2015-09-05 04:26 <Melanie_> in order to tie this together with lsl and the viewer ui the piece i needed was your code to create navmeshes
2015-09-05 04:26 <Melanie_> te lib doesn't create them from what opensm has
2015-09-05 04:27 <Melanie_> creating the interface requires understanding of mesh
2015-09-05 04:27 <Melanie_> WHICH I DON'T HAVE
2015-09-05 04:27 -!- dahlia(~dahlia@di01.wwweb3d.net) has left #opensim-dev
2015-09-05 04:27 <Melanie_> i can NOT design the code to convert what opensim has into what that library needs
2015-09-05 04:28 -!- dahlia_(~dahlia@ip72-207-120-166.sd.sd.cox.net) has left #opensim-dev
2015-09-05 04:38 <nebadon> back diva reading 1 sec
2015-09-05 04:39 <nebadon> oh yea i saw
2015-09-05 04:39 <nebadon> be interesting to try it out
2015-09-05 07:00 <osmantis> Bug #7715:04 "scripts stop"  and "scripts start"  throw  exception with  ScriptEngine / XEngine .... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7715 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-09-05 09:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #4317 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-09-05 09:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4317: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4317/
2015-09-05 09:59 <osjenkins> dahlia: Best wishes everyone!
2015-09-05 11:41 <osmantis> Bug #7709:04 Simulator Framerate Reporting - Refers to closed bug (unable to reopen) (0029003) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7709 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-05 12:11 <lkalif> wow, so you run dahlia out
2015-09-05 12:19 <smxy> Way to go, Melanie_. Keep that up and there won't be any developers left except you.
2015-09-05 12:21 <lkalif> that's the goal
2015-09-05 13:38 <SilverWhitefish> This is an opensource project, are you guys actually buying code for opensim?
2015-09-05 13:44 <SilverWhitefish> Here let me tell you from the horses mouth, dahlia knew what he was talking about when it came to networking. Over the past few months ive noticed childish attitudes all over the place including myself at times. What I keep asking myself is it actually worth my time to contribute to OpenSim or move on to another project and keep my sim as a personal project. 
2015-09-05 13:46 <SilverWhitefish> so much time has been spent in trying to figure out what ive been up to... why?
2015-09-05 13:46 <SilverWhitefish> this is a question to ask your self
2015-09-05 13:46 <SilverWhitefish> developers are hard to come by and there is a lesson to be learned here
2015-09-05 13:47 <SilverWhitefish> your all grown adults i presume so there is no excuse for what happened last night
2015-09-05 13:55 <osmantis> Bug #7714:04 Opensimulator crashes on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7714 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-05 13:55 <SilverWhitefish> lkalif, i don't know if that was meant to be a joke or not, but it really seems like that is whats been going on over the past few years. \
2015-09-05 13:57 <SilverWhitefish> i know for certain linden labs is in cohoots with opensim. And it also makes sense why they dont want opensim to grow past SL. 
2015-09-05 13:58 <osmantis> Bug #7714:04 Opensimulator crashes on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7714 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-05 13:58 <SilverWhitefish> This isn't politics by any means. 
2015-09-05 14:02 <osmantis> Bug #7714:04 Opensimulator crashes on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7714 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-05 14:04 <osmantis> Bug #7714:04 Opensimulator crashes on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7714 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-05 14:15 <danbanner> 'cahoots' huh? LOL
2015-09-05 14:21 <notskittles> nebadon is really ebbe linden. i knew it!
2015-09-05 14:21 <danbanner> hah!
2015-09-05 14:33 <lkalif> SilverWhitefish: I have no idea what are you on about. But I was not kidding
2015-09-05 14:35 <lkalif> It sadens me to see Melanie take over and extinguish this project
2015-09-05 14:36 <SilverWhitefish> same here lkalif 
2015-09-05 14:44 <SilverWhitefish> danbanner i might be wrong but it seems to me that linden has the ability to sabotage this project very easily.
2015-09-05 14:45 <SilverWhitefish> im not saying thats what happened last night by any means.
2015-09-05 14:46 <SilverWhitefish> didnt mean to stray away from the main topic, which would be to stregthen friendships 
2015-09-05 14:48 <notskittles> SilverWhitefish they're too busy sabotaging their own projects right now to worry about opensim.
2015-09-05 14:51 <lkalif> yeah
2015-09-05 14:53 <diva> notskittles about socks: I'm trying to set it up but it looks like the server side needs to run on an odd port like 1080 is that right? Can it run on a "standard" port like 22 or 80? 
2015-09-05 14:55 <lkalif> are you sure they are not already occupied?
2015-09-05 15:00 <notskittles> yeah, you should be able to run it on any port you want.
2015-09-05 15:00 <notskittles> what server software are you using?
2015-09-05 15:01 <notskittles> with ssh you just pass the -D flag with the port number.
2015-09-05 15:01 <diva> I'm experimenting with plain ssh right now
2015-09-05 15:01 <diva> I'm googling, and I'm surprised that I don't see a lot of results for "socks 5 port 80"
2015-09-05 15:02 <diva> I would imagine that a large portion of the use of this is to escape firewalls
2015-09-05 15:02 <lkalif> diva: proxy runs on your local computer
2015-09-05 15:02 <diva> ?
2015-09-05 15:02 <lkalif> what does port 80 have to do with it
2015-09-05 15:03 <diva> don't you have to have a server side that talks socks?
2015-09-05 15:03 <lkalif> if you do ssh -N D 1080 hostname
2015-09-05 15:03 <lkalif> it listens to 1080 on localhost
2015-09-05 15:03 <lkalif> and connectts via 22 to hostname
2015-09-05 15:04 <notskittles> she's trying to setup the proxy server for SOCKS5.
2015-09-05 15:04 <diva> I'm trying to have the viewer escape firewalls
2015-09-05 15:04 <notskittles> to use the built in support in the viewer.
2015-09-05 15:05 <lkalif> on linux you need to be root to do ssh -N D 80 localhost
2015-09-05 15:05 <diva> yeah, I"m going to try that. Need to find one of my servers that has port 80 free
2015-09-05 15:06 <lkalif> diva: you got ssh client on your desktop?
2015-09-05 15:06 <lkalif> cygwin, or something?
2015-09-05 15:06 <diva> I was hoping the viewer would tunel
2015-09-05 15:06 <diva> it has some checkboxes to use socks 5
2015-09-05 15:07 <notskittles> you can try running something like dante or srelay on the server.
2015-09-05 15:07 <lkalif> it would but dor testing you can start a tunnel 
2015-09-05 15:07 <diva> My problem is the server side
2015-09-05 15:08 <lkalif> diva: what are you doing? ssh -D 80 localhost?
2015-09-05 15:08 <diva> I will do that as soon as I find one of my servers with port 80 freee :)
2015-09-05 15:08 <notskittles> http://www.inet.no/dante/
2015-09-05 15:16 <diva> ...which is harder than I thought.
2015-09-05 15:18 <lkalif> there is a really fascist firewall where I am now. It not only allows ports 80 and 443 but also verifies that it's HTTP inside, se even running OpenVPN on port 80 wouldn't work
2015-09-05 15:19 <smxy> asset type 0 os a texture, yes?
2015-09-05 15:19 <smxy> is*
2015-09-05 15:19 <lkalif> the only way I got it to work was to install stunnel on both ends and tunnel openvpn on port 443
2015-09-05 15:19 <lkalif> smxy: yes
2015-09-05 15:19 <smxy> thanks
2015-09-05 15:29 <lkalif> smxy: https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse/blob/master/OpenMetaverseTypes/Enums.cs#L49
2015-09-05 15:30 <diva> hmmm not having any luck
2015-09-05 15:31 <lkalif> with getting server to work?
2015-09-05 15:31 <diva> here's what I'm doing. On one of my servers, I'm running ssh -f -N -D 0.0.0.0:9003 crista@<my vLab's address>
2015-09-05 15:32 <diva> then I'm setting the viewer's SOCKS5 host to this server's address, port 9003
2015-09-05 15:32 <diva> and giving what I think is the correct credentials
2015-09-05 15:32 <diva> I wonder what credentials I should give...
2015-09-05 15:33 <diva> should I give it my credentials on this server or on my vlab's serevr?
2015-09-05 15:33 <diva> either way it says it fails to connect to the socks5 proxy server
2015-09-05 15:34 <notskittles> ssh -D doesn't require password authentication.
2015-09-05 15:34 <diva> ok
2015-09-05 15:34 <lkalif> proxy is running on the machine where you are executing ssh command
2015-09-05 15:35 <lkalif> not on the ssh server
2015-09-05 15:38 <diva> ok, Im starting this from a simpler setup
2015-09-05 15:38 <diva> on my vlab server, I'm running ssh -f -N -D 0.0.0.0:9006 localhost
2015-09-05 15:39 <diva> now I configured the viewer to connect to my vLab's address port 9006
2015-09-05 15:39 <diva> and it seems to hang
2015-09-05 15:39 <diva> I wonder if I need to give it an IP address instead of a domain name?
2015-09-05 15:40 <diva> oh boy I messed up Singularity really bad now. It crashes on startup
2015-09-05 15:41 <lkalif> you can test your proxy with firefox, under settings, advanced, network select socks host
2015-09-05 15:41 <lkalif> it\s quite possible that proxy setup in the viewer is bit rotten
2015-09-05 15:43 <notskittles> the one in singu is definitely up to date with what's in sl viewer.
2015-09-05 15:43 <notskittles> *not up to
2015-09-05 15:44 <diva> I want the viewer to escape firewalls without ppl having to do a single thing, so running additional tunneling software or trying things on web browsers doesn't do it. And yes, I completely messed up Singularity :) It hangs on startup, doesn't even show the window. I need to kill it on the Task Manager
2015-09-05 15:44 <notskittles> you can also test easy enough just using curl
2015-09-05 15:44 <diva> Let me try Alchemy
2015-09-05 15:46 <notskittles> curl --proxy socks5h://127.0.0.1:80 http://wtfismyip.com/json
2015-09-05 15:49 <diva> it says refused connection, could not open TCP channel
2015-09-05 15:51 <notskittles> hmmm something's wrong with your setup then.
2015-09-05 15:52 <diva> curls worked
2015-09-05 15:54 <diva> I'm confused. does the shh trick also handle UDP traffic?
2015-09-05 15:56 <diva> not skittle curls via that socks proxy works
2015-09-05 15:56 <diva> notskittles ^
2015-09-05 15:56 <diva> but Alchemy is tell me it can't connect to th eproxy server
2015-09-05 15:57 <diva> so Im wondering if ssh can handle UDP traffic
2015-09-05 15:57 <notskittles> it can, takes a little more setup though.
2015-09-05 15:58 <notskittles> you pass the -L flag with ssl with the port number
2015-09-05 15:58 <notskittles> that allows tcp connections on the port
2015-09-05 15:58 <notskittles> then you need to create a fifo
2015-09-05 15:58 <notskittles> like
2015-09-05 15:58 <notskittles> mkfifo /tmp/fifo
2015-09-05 15:59 <diva> eek!
2015-09-05 15:59 <smxy> lkalif: Thanks for that link.
2015-09-05 15:59 <notskittles> nc -l -p 80 < /tmp/fifo | nc -u 127.0.0.1 53 > /tmp/fifo
2015-09-05 15:59 <diva> ok, time to dump ssh trick and install a real socks5 serevr then
2015-09-05 15:59 <notskittles> that allows tcp traffic on the server's port to be forwarded to udp traffic on port 53 and responds to come back.
2015-09-05 16:00 <notskittles> yeah, dante is probably easier at that point. lol
2015-09-05 16:02 <notskittles> unless you really like netcat.
2015-09-05 16:02 <diva> there's a package for danted for ubuntu
2015-09-05 16:05 <notskittles> last i remember though, dante authenticates in cleartext, so just be aware of that. not sure if that has changed or not.
2015-09-05 16:11 <diva> configuration is going to take a while...
2015-09-05 16:48 <diva> interesting. Dante wants to serve clients only on its network
2015-09-05 16:50 <nebadon> Dante?
2015-09-05 16:50 <diva> that's a socks5 server I"m trying to experiment with
2015-09-05 16:50 <nebadon> ah cool
2015-09-05 16:52 <nebadon> just got done reloading my linux desktop workstation to opensuse tumbleweed, its very nice so far
2015-09-05 16:52 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/tumbleweed_desktop_001.png
2015-09-05 17:08 <Ubit> hmm where is the "patch included" button on matis? :)
2015-09-05 17:10 <osmantis> Bug #7716:04 ode var regions suport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7716 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-09-05 17:11 <osmantis> Bug #7716:04 ode var regions suport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7716 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-09-05 17:11 <Ubit> oops
2015-09-05 17:11 <nebadon> under the change status drop down
2015-09-05 17:11 <Ubit> yeap found it :)
2015-09-05 17:11 <nebadon> cool
2015-09-05 17:15 <Ubit> only did minor tests...  fired a 1km region. runned yr old racer
2015-09-05 17:16 <diva> Ubit thanks. What's the deal with the Uncombine method?
2015-09-05 17:16 <diva> oh it was commented?
2015-09-05 17:16 <Ubit> hmm  think i didn't change it
2015-09-05 17:16 <diva> it's been deleted in your patch
2015-09-05 17:16 <diva> but I thin it was commented
2015-09-05 17:17 <Ubit> ohh yeap
2015-09-05 17:17 <Ubit> think is a dead thing even on core
2015-09-05 17:18 <Ubit> that coment on your new region module init code diva
2015-09-05 17:18 <Ubit> i did noticed it running without  heighmap on scene... 
2015-09-05 17:20 <Melanie_> isn't the combine stuff for megas?
2015-09-05 17:20 <Ubit> it was a uncombine code
2015-09-05 17:20 <diva> ok, I'm trying it
2015-09-05 17:20 <Melanie_> yes but combine/uncombine is for megas, right?
2015-09-05 17:20 <diva> first I need to fix my Singu installation...
2015-09-05 17:21 <Ubit> but this patch didn't change that..  i just had that coment section deleted and forgot to put it back :)
2015-09-05 17:21 <Melanie_> my thought here is that the physics module would me much simpler and easier to make work on a varregion if the mega support were cut out of it
2015-09-05 17:22 <Ubit> yeap  it could be cleaned a bit on terrain maps
2015-09-05 17:22 <Melanie_> and the results from the mailing list, now that oren has chimed in, seems to be to remove megas when ode can do vars
2015-09-05 17:22 <diva> hopefully this patch from ubit will do it
2015-09-05 17:22 <Melanie_> so the process of makig ode do vars can include removing mega support
2015-09-05 17:22 <diva> I'm testing
2015-09-05 17:22 <Ubit> but that clean can be done anytime
2015-09-05 17:23 <Ubit> mb top-bottom  cleaning?  don't know
2015-09-05 17:23 <Melanie_> well, ok, if that doesn't mean that more work needs to be invested to keep both var and mega possible than would be to support only var
2015-09-05 17:23 <diva> oh man something went really wrong with Singu since I started fiddling with socks
2015-09-05 17:23 <Ubit> well i did not tried to fix that ODE.. just let it run on var regions 
2015-09-05 17:24 <Melanie_> generally, socks can't help you with udp anyway.
2015-09-05 17:24 <Ubit> i consider it a  compatibility / backup module
2015-09-05 17:24 <diva> ok, it's back
2015-09-05 17:24 <diva> Melanie_ according to the documentation socks do udp
2015-09-05 17:24 <diva> but Im having trouble setting up the socks server
2015-09-05 17:24 <Melanie_> i've never got my socks to do udp
2015-09-05 17:24 <Ubit> even having a new ode  like we have..  its not compatible with old scripts
2015-09-05 17:24 <Melanie_> yes it says it does but …. never got it running
2015-09-05 17:25 <Melanie_> Ubit: huh? where do scripts come in?
2015-09-05 17:25 <Ubit> scripts for vehicles..
2015-09-05 17:25 <diva> ubit looks great so far!
2015-09-05 17:25 <Melanie_> what level of "old" are you talking about?
2015-09-05 17:25 <notskittles> you can do sock with fifo and netcat.
2015-09-05 17:26 <Ubit> old ode has its own lets say "dynamics"
2015-09-05 17:26 <notskittles> or some servers support it.
2015-09-05 17:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #4318 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-09-05 17:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4318: SUCCESS in 4 min 36 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4318/
2015-09-05 17:34 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: let ode suport var size regions
2015-09-05 17:34 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Changed a couple of comments to be more generic
2015-09-05 17:34 <diva> ok, notskittles maybe setting up dante is not the easiest route. Tell me again what I need to do to proxy UDP traffic...
2015-09-05 17:35 <diva> with nc
2015-09-05 17:35 <notskittles> nc -l -p 80 < /tmp/fifo | nc -u 127.0.0.1 53 > /tmp/fifo
2015-09-05 17:38 <notskittles> and you need to have ssh running with something like ssh -N -L 80:127.0.0.1:80 -D80 localhost
2015-09-05 17:39 <notskittles> the -L flag is LocalForward
2015-09-05 17:41 <notskittles> the server will listen for tcp connections on tcp port 80 and forward data to udp port 53.
2015-09-05 18:01 <osmantis> Bug #7716:04 ode var regions suport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7716 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-05 18:05 <Ubit> damm my disk is a mess now.. several avn versions.. several opensim versions... xii i need to clean this :)
2015-09-05 18:10 <diva> alright,ok. notskittles, maybe I'm being too ambitious. I think I need to start with using someone else's sock server out there, to check that it actually works. Yesterday you pointed to sdf.org. Where are the sock servers there?
2015-09-05 18:11 <diva> or should I just point the viewer to sdf.lonestar port 1080?
2015-09-05 18:21 <diva> sigh. I give up on socks 5... for now. might as well just use this time to write my own tuneling!
2015-09-05 18:52 <Ubit> anyone from moses around?
2015-09-05 20:41 <danbanner> parcel craziness on an ode var http://danbanner.onikenkon.com/screen/Image1441485668.png
2015-09-05 20:41 <danbanner> let me start a fresh var
2015-09-05 20:41 <danbanner> i changed bulletsim to ode for that one
2015-09-05 20:41 <Ubit> that doesnt look like physics thing
2015-09-05 20:42 <danbanner> ya idk where all the parcels came from
2015-09-05 20:42 <Ubit> ode doesn't know about parcels
2015-09-05 20:42 <danbanner> odd
2015-09-05 20:42 <Ubit> yeap looks odd
2015-09-05 20:42 <danbanner> let me wipe the region and see what happens
2015-09-05 20:42 <Ubit> clear parcels only ?
2015-09-05 20:42 <AliciaRaven2> danbanner, could be related to this http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7597
2015-09-05 20:42 <Ubit> hmm clear land comand i think
2015-09-05 20:43 <danbanner> ya i'll just change the region uuid and restart it
2015-09-05 20:43 <danbanner> lets see what happens
2015-09-05 20:43 <Ubit> hmm yeap  that limit may not work well with viewers..  
2015-09-05 20:43 <danbanner> could be alicia
2015-09-05 20:43 <danbanner> brb
2015-09-05 20:44 <Ubit> something should be done with viewer devs about large region  parcels and overlays
2015-09-05 20:44 <Ubit> the info sent becames a bit 2 large..
2015-09-05 20:45 <Ubit> not that sure we can "cut" it
2015-09-05 20:45 <AliciaRaven2> i have that limit disabled otherwise i see ghost parcels appear and disappear randomly, yea one of the big things that limits the size of vars
2015-09-05 20:46 <Ubit> i think i deleted its code on avn  for now  oops :)
2015-09-05 20:49 <danbanner> changing uuid seems okay now
2015-09-05 20:50 <Ubit> still with that limit option on ?
2015-09-05 20:51 <danbanner> i didnt change anything else
2015-09-05 20:58 <Ubit> good.. but id turn that option off for now unless testing
2015-09-05 20:58 <Ubit> think its code needs to be a bit more complex than it is now... so i just took it off  till i can find a viewer dev  :)
2015-09-05 20:59 <danbanner> i do see some 20:55:26 - [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: cross region transfer failed for object fe02ea35-0ae1-4d5a-a51d-05b78a2d8b21
2015-09-05 21:00 <danbanner> might be out of bounds object i'll need to look better
2015-09-05 21:00 <Ubit> yeap something tring to get into another region
2015-09-05 21:00 <Ubit> ( also not ode i think )
2015-09-05 21:01 <Ubit> i had lots of those when i loaded a oar  for a 2km region on a 1km one  lol
2015-09-05 21:02 <Ubit> well  it worked... all objects piled up at a corner :)
2015-09-05 21:02 <danbanner> i didnt load any oar and there are no neighbors
2015-09-05 21:02 <Ubit> grid may think u have one neighbor
2015-09-05 21:03 <danbanner> nope
2015-09-05 21:03 <Ubit> whats the region name?
2015-09-05 21:03 <danbanner> test plaza
2015-09-05 21:04 <nebadon> i have found that even if you dont have a direct neighbor touching with vars
2015-09-05 21:04 <nebadon> if there are any regions within the same width of the region in distance
2015-09-05 21:04 <danbanner> ya its pretty isolated tho
2015-09-05 21:04 <nebadon> so if your var is 1024 anything within 1024m of the border will be seen by the var
2015-09-05 21:04 <danbanner> im miles from any other regions
2015-09-05 21:05 <nebadon> k
2015-09-05 21:05 <Ubit> yeap that code needs fix...  i told mb one
2015-09-05 21:06 <Ubit> grid needs to know about var regions.. not  only regions
2015-09-05 22:04 <osmantis> Bug #7716:04 ode var regions suport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7716 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-09-05 22:25 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Deleted unused file.
2015-09-05 22:40 <Ubit_zzz> grrr
2015-09-05 22:40 <Ubit_zzz> de we really need to store a huge map as asset?
2015-09-05 22:41 <diva> the terrain?
2015-09-05 22:41 <Ubit_zzz> yeap
2015-09-05 22:42 <Ubit_zzz> i always fall from irc uploading it
2015-09-05 22:42 <Ubit_zzz> ( 2km test region )
2015-09-05 22:42 <SilverWhitefish> im working on a build of opensim where it allows for real life teleporting to and from worlds
2015-09-05 22:42 <SilverWhitefish> opens a portal in ur bed room
2015-09-05 22:42 <diva> :)
2015-09-05 22:43 <Ubit_zzz> there goes me :)
2015-09-05 22:43 <misterblue> Ubit_zzz: we did talk about the place to add new terrain compression and storage code :)
2015-09-05 22:44 <Ubit> hmm  terrain compression  im using it now
2015-09-05 22:44 <Ubit> the 2VGzip format
2015-09-05 22:44 <misterblue> oh cool... is that in core?
2015-09-05 22:44 <Ubit> nahh avn
2015-09-05 22:44 <diva> send it in
2015-09-05 22:45 <misterblue> and you're still getting dropped? or is that with core?
2015-09-05 22:45 <Ubit> its the V1 asset upload
2015-09-05 22:45 <Ubit> eats all my upload bandwidth
2015-09-05 22:46 <Ubit> this :  23:39:42 - [WORLD MAP]: Storing map tile 040be092-c7c9-4b2d-8881-2401c70548f0 fo
2015-09-05 22:46 <Ubit> r UbitTestVar
2015-09-05 22:47 <Ubit> diva the 2V format is on avn with several other changes i did to mb code
2015-09-05 22:47 <Ubit> 2VGzip i mean
2015-09-05 22:48 <AliciaRaven2> only curent viewer that still uses v1 maps is radegast
2015-09-05 22:48 <Ubit> well thats a bit large...  not sure mks sense to keep storing like this...
2015-09-05 22:49 <Ubit> mb there is a mantis about yr code about only sending parceloverlay in view range..
2015-09-05 22:49 <Melanie_> yes. everything else uses http maps
2015-09-05 22:49 <Melanie_> the http map server makes composite maps and it's not var aware yet
2015-09-05 22:49 <Ubit> i took it out...  i fear viewers may not like that..
2015-09-05 22:50 <Melanie_> i don't know if vars cut the map and send it in pieces
2015-09-05 22:50 <Melanie_> or if var maps just don't work right
2015-09-05 22:50 <Ubit> they cut mel
2015-09-05 22:50 <Ubit> ....
2015-09-05 22:50 <Ubit> 23:40:40 - [MAP IMAGE CONNECTOR]: map tile uploaded in 328ms
2015-09-05 22:50 <Ubit> 23:40:40 - [MAP IMAGE CONNECTOR]: map tile uploaded in 327ms
2015-09-05 22:50 <Ubit> 23:40:41 - [MAP IMAGE CONNECTOR]: map tile uploaded in 359ms
2015-09-05 22:50 <Melanie_> ok
2015-09-05 22:50 <Melanie_> i think we can stop storing v1 maps
2015-09-05 22:51 <Melanie_> changing the avn/osg web map system to use the v2 maps is trivial
2015-09-05 22:51 <diva> maybe put it under config var for a wile
2015-09-05 22:51 <Melanie_> just one php file and it gets simpler, not more complex, by that
2015-09-05 22:51 <CmdrCupcake> Melanie_: From what I could tell in the viewer side
2015-09-05 22:51 <Ubit> btw MB...  the parcel overlay contains  info about parcels limits etc.. not sure viewers will be happy  getting parcial information...
2015-09-05 22:51 <CmdrCupcake> vars send the map tiles as 256 chunks still.
2015-09-05 22:51 <CmdrCupcake> :P
2015-09-05 22:52 <AliciaRaven2> Melanie_, maps are ok for vars, firestorm is the opnly viewer that doesnt handle them right, sing is fine
2015-09-05 22:52 <CmdrCupcake> alchemy handles them right afaict
2015-09-05 22:52 <Ubit> fs seems happey also
2015-09-05 22:52 <Ubit> only minimap seems odd on parcels
2015-09-05 22:52 <Ubit> ( after tps )
2015-09-05 22:53 <CmdrCupcake> their minimap is busted for var regions anyways
2015-09-05 22:53 <Ubit> about parceloverlays CmdrCupcake ..
2015-09-05 22:53 <AliciaRaven2> i opened a bug report with fs ages ago about the var map support
2015-09-05 22:53 <Ubit> viewer likes getting a parcial overlay CmdrCupcake ?
2015-09-05 22:54 <CmdrCupcake> We have it fixed, but we don't help our competitors. :p
2015-09-05 22:54 <AliciaRaven2> http://jira.phoenixviewer.com/browse/FIRE-13903
2015-09-05 22:58 <Ubit> that seems fixed Alicia..  my 4.7.3 fs seems happy with world map
2015-09-05 22:58 <Ubit> even minimap shows parcels nicelly if i log on region...
2015-09-05 22:58 <Ubit> on a tp to a smaler one...  oops bad :)
2015-09-05 22:59 <Ubit> ( now a then even crashs .. )
2015-09-05 23:00 <AliciaRaven2> fs only fixed minimaps after the last release, i didnt think they had even touched main map tho
2015-09-05 23:01 <Melanie_> it becomes a question of who should shoulder the complex part - a mainmap with variable sized tiles is much more complex than one that uses 256 chunks
2015-09-05 23:01 <Melanie_> for the parcel overlay, that seems a bit more difficult
2015-09-05 23:01 <Melanie_> here's another problem
2015-09-05 23:02 <Melanie_> there are only 256 values in a byte array
2015-09-05 23:02 <Ubit> map and minimap seem ok...
2015-09-05 23:02 <Melanie_> since the parcel overlay is a regionsize/4 square array and equal numbers mean same parcel
2015-09-05 23:02 <Ubit> parceloverlay..  well fs minimap smokes :)
2015-09-05 23:02 <Melanie_> that limits any region using this format to 256 parcels
2015-09-05 23:02 <Melanie_> for a 256m that was neve ran issue
2015-09-05 23:02 <Melanie_> but a 8192m mega....
2015-09-05 23:02 <Melanie_> well, do the math
2015-09-05 23:03 <Melanie_> easily possible to have 256 or more parcels
2015-09-05 23:03 <Melanie_> especially if adcutting happens
2015-09-05 23:03 <Ubit> the 256 limit is also needed for grid coordenates for now mel
2015-09-05 23:03 <Ubit> i mean multiple of 256m sizes
2015-09-05 23:03 <Melanie_> what i mean is that we should create a new map overlay format
2015-09-05 23:03 <Ubit> ahh ok
2015-09-05 23:03 <Melanie_> one that has the size prefixed
2015-09-05 23:03 <Melanie_> and more than 1 byte per block
2015-09-05 23:04 <Ubit> hmm we are talking about parceloverlay ?
2015-09-05 23:04 <Melanie_> since we have multiple bytes with the same value quite often, even RLE would be a viable compression but if we gzip it it would be smaller than the current overlays uncompressed
2015-09-05 23:04 <Melanie_> yes
2015-09-05 23:04 <misterblue> UBit... the sending parcel overlay only within view range was to fix a lag problem...
2015-09-05 23:05 <Melanie_> misterblue: with vars seeing viewer support, we should take a good hard look at the protocol
2015-09-05 23:05 <Ubit> i understand MB.. just fear u can't cut them like that
2015-09-05 23:05 <misterblue> the parcel overlay is sent out many, many times and rather than figuring out how to keep track of when it changed and only sending when changed, I did the distance thing
2015-09-05 23:05 <Melanie_> sending partial parcel overlays is not an option, the viewer uses them for more than drawing pretty lines
2015-09-05 23:05 <Ubit> well not that many times now
2015-09-05 23:06 <Melanie_> it's used, among other things, for the parcel privacy (which avn has so core will get it) and for sound effect audibility checks
2015-09-05 23:06 <misterblue> the viewer assumes it has the current version and the simulator doesn't track changes, the simulator just sends the parcel overlay whenever the viewer might need it
2015-09-05 23:06 <Melanie_> the viewer requires this info for the entire region
2015-09-05 23:07 <misterblue> ya... it has to be sent (or kept updated in the viewer for the privacy stuff
2015-09-05 23:07 <Melanie_> else you may suddenly hear a rim's sound even if it's 2 km away
2015-09-05 23:07 <Melanie_> or cam into a privacy parcel and be able to see
2015-09-05 23:07 <AliciaRaven2> misterblue are you aware of.. http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7597
2015-09-05 23:07 <misterblue> that's why I didn't just reduce the rate
2015-09-05 23:07 <Melanie_> so what i suggest is
2015-09-05 23:07 <CmdrCupcake> iirc LL does their parcel privacy partially serverside :p
2015-09-05 23:07 <Melanie_> make it 12 bit per block
2015-09-05 23:08 <Melanie_> prefix the size of the region
2015-09-05 23:08 <Melanie_> gzip that byte array
2015-09-05 23:08 <Melanie_> and sen dit
2015-09-05 23:08 <misterblue> yes, AliciaRaven2... the fix is more work (and what Mel is discussing at the moment)
2015-09-05 23:08 <Melanie_> 12 bits allow 16 times as many parcels
2015-09-05 23:09 <Melanie_> if i has my druthers
2015-09-05 23:09 <misterblue> create a new parcel overlay packet?
2015-09-05 23:09 <Melanie_> i'd encode it like this
2015-09-05 23:09 <Ubit> well i took that option off,  reduce the excessive sending i had on avn.. and seems ok on a 2km region
2015-09-05 23:09 <Melanie_> map size: word
2015-09-05 23:09 <Melanie_> map contents, each 2 cells being sent as 3 bytes
2015-09-05 23:09 <Melanie_> left cell, low
2015-09-05 23:10 <Melanie_> right cell, low
2015-09-05 23:10 <Melanie_> left cell high << 4 | right cell high
2015-09-05 23:10 <Melanie_> and i'd send that, gzipped, via the EQ
2015-09-05 23:10 <Melanie_> it's a reliable packet anyway
2015-09-05 23:10 <Melanie_> so might as well go by tcp
2015-09-05 23:11 <Ubit> thats a option.. for future, for now it seems working, sending the entire thing
2015-09-05 23:11 <misterblue> Ubit, if you have a slower connection you will get lab as several parcel overlay packets are sent when you right click on anything (and the overlay packet is normally for the whole region)
2015-09-05 23:11 <misterblue> 'lab' -> 'lag'
2015-09-05 23:11 <Melanie_> it should only be sent if changed
2015-09-05 23:12 <Ubit> its 256KB on a 2km region MB
2015-09-05 23:12 <Melanie_> even if it's send via EQ and compressed
2015-09-05 23:12 <Melanie_> what we need
2015-09-05 23:12 <Melanie_> is to get this merge out of the way
2015-09-05 23:12 <Melanie_> once that is done
2015-09-05 23:12 <Melanie_> and the result published
2015-09-05 23:12 <Melanie_> i can really dig in again
2015-09-05 23:12 <osmantis> Bug #7714:04 Opensimulator crashes on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7714 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-05 23:12 <Ubit> i add lag.. bc i was sending it parcels crossings..   not needed 
2015-09-05 23:12 <Melanie_> bad ubit! :)
2015-09-05 23:13 <Ubit> well sl did that when i changed that last year or so :)
2015-09-05 23:13 <Ubit> now i send on login or on changes..
2015-09-05 23:15 <Ubit> hmm 4MB on a 8km region...
2015-09-05 23:16 <Ubit> guess 8km are a bit out for now :)
2015-09-05 23:17 <Ubit> my pc didn't like when i tested one :)
2015-09-05 23:20 <Melanie_> i woud send 6.2mb raw, but compress it
2015-09-05 23:21 <Melanie_> since that data is very, very uniform
2015-09-05 23:21 <Melanie_> it'd compress to mabe 20-30 kb
2015-09-05 23:21 <Melanie_> sending that vie the EQ is no issue at all
2015-09-05 23:21 <Ubit> we could also reduce parcels resolution..  from 4x4 to 8x8 or something
2015-09-05 23:21 <Melanie_> even though it gets base64'd there
2015-09-05 23:21 <Melanie_> no!
2015-09-05 23:22 <Melanie_> not even in your worst nightmare ever think that again
2015-09-05 23:22 <Melanie_> it's too large already
2015-09-05 23:22 <Melanie_> it's already hard to build malls or rentals where each spot needs it's own media
2015-09-05 23:22 <Ubit> parcels ?? why 2 large?
2015-09-05 23:22 <Ubit> on a 2km region ??
2015-09-05 23:22 <Melanie_> because of that 4x4 restriction
2015-09-05 23:23 <Melanie_> it's not to be seen relative to the region 
2015-09-05 23:23 <Melanie_> because people don't see it that way
2015-09-05 23:23 <Melanie_> it has to be seen relative to the buildings
2015-09-05 23:23 <Melanie_> and they won't get bigger
2015-09-05 23:23 <Ubit> well don't know if anyone tested the max number of parcels a viewer suports..
2015-09-05 23:24 <Melanie_> it will need to be increased in the viewer
2015-09-05 23:24 <Melanie_> if we use 12 bits, the viewers will also need to use 12 bits
2015-09-05 23:24 <Melanie_> we're talking about changes to region and viewer in lockstep
2015-09-05 23:24 <Ubit> why 12bits?
2015-09-05 23:25 <Melanie_> because 65536 parcels is too much
2015-09-05 23:25 <Melanie_> and 256 not enough
2015-09-05 23:25 <Melanie_> 12 bits pack 2 into 3
2015-09-05 23:25 <Melanie_> convenient, that
2015-09-05 23:25 <Melanie_> and arranging as i described above makes it compress very efficiently
2015-09-05 23:25 <Melanie_> as opposed to shifting the entire set of even cells
2015-09-05 23:25 <Ubit> well im not looking to that code now.. still lost on that moses thing... grrr
2015-09-05 23:25 <Melanie_> because my way creates a more uniform byte pattern
2015-09-05 23:26 <Melanie_> we have a situation that has never before been achieved
2015-09-05 23:26 <Melanie_> namely, that all major viewers want to work on opensim
2015-09-05 23:27 <Melanie_> as opposed tot he sentiments a few years back, when viewer devs were heard to say "our market is SL, we won't invest time in making it work on opensim" and "it works on sl, so you must be doing somthing wrong"
2015-09-05 23:27 <Melanie_> in these past weeks, there has been a quantum shift
2015-09-05 23:27 <Melanie_> opensim has decided to cut the cord
2015-09-05 23:27 <Melanie_> viewers have decided to support us
2015-09-05 23:27 <Melanie_> i'm writing a paper
2015-09-05 23:28 <Melanie_> the later being the most unlikely :)
2015-09-05 23:28 <Ubit> pff fs crash...  guess minimap issue
2015-09-05 23:36 <Ubit> hmm yeap parcel lines take a little to show up on login.. but seems ok ( 2km region )
2015-09-05 23:36 <Ubit> well i moved them to the right  queue category also
2015-09-05 23:37 <Ubit> that is LAND, never TASK!
2015-09-05 23:37 <Ubit> mb thats a readon for yr lag also...
2015-09-05 23:38 <Ubit> terrain layer and parcel overlay have no business on the TASK queue category
2015-09-05 23:40 <Ubit> btw i need to check packets expires.. mb off
2015-09-05 23:40 <CmdrCupcakeM> There we go! Mobile irc
2015-09-05 23:41 <Ubit> :)
2015-09-05 23:41 <CmdrCupcakeM> I really need to setup a bouncer later so it'll work better
2015-09-05 23:43 <Ubit> hmm script time of 15ms?  hmmm doesn't sound right
2015-09-05 23:45 <Ubit> grr of course not.. thats a lbsa stat not deleted on tp  grrr
2015-09-05 23:55 <diva> CmdrCupcake one of the most useful changes in Singularity for opensim was to make the Grid box in the login panel a textbox, where ppl can simply write down the URL they want to connect to without going through grid manager. I hope Alchemy does the same. It makes a world of difference for the hundreds of small virtual environments out there
2015-09-06 00:19 <Ubit> not sending the map asset seems working... but needs more testing i guess
2015-09-06 00:27 <diva> Melnaie_ I want to do one more clean up: the dlls RegionLoader.FileSystem and RegionLoader.WebServer each have exactly 1 file, both of which are used only by the LoadRegions plugin. I'd like to move them there. It doesn't make any sense to have these as top-level dlls
2015-09-06 00:27 <diva> err Melanie_ ^
2015-09-06 00:27 <Melanie_> yes
2015-09-06 00:28 <Melanie_> there was an intention to make that autodetect more region loaders
2015-09-06 00:28 <Melanie_> but that was never known
2015-09-06 00:28 <Melanie_> and never used
2015-09-06 00:28 <Melanie_> and never implemented
2015-09-06 00:28 <diva> yeah, at least right now it's hardcoded
2015-09-06 00:28 <diva> I don't think this needs to be a hot spot
2015-09-06 00:30 <Melanie_> i didn't even know they were still separate
2015-09-06 00:30 <diva> ok, I'm making them go away
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2015-09-06 00:42 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Moved the two region loaders into the RegionLoaderPlugin dll, therefore eliminating 2 top-level dlls that didn't make much sense.
2015-09-06 00:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #4321 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-09-06 00:47 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Amend to previous commit: delete the corresponding AssemblyInfo's
2015-09-06 00:49 <Melanie_> diva: why are we using AssemblyInfos?
2015-09-06 00:49 <Melanie_> I believe all paremeters set in an AssemblyInfo can also be set as inline expressions
2015-09-06 00:49 <Melanie_> atributes in []
2015-09-06 00:50 <Melanie_> i would love to get rid of all these Resources/ directories
2015-09-06 00:50 <Melanie_> and AssemblyInfo.cs
2015-09-06 01:10 <smxy> Nice to see all this cleanup happening.
2015-09-06 02:11 <diva> Melanie_ that's the default for Visual Studio
2015-09-06 02:12 <diva> when you create properties of the project it ends up there
2015-09-06 02:17 <diva> the folder is called Properties
2015-09-06 03:31 <osmantis> Bug #7710:04 [PATCH] AllowedClients and DeniedClients configuration examples corrected and clarified 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7710 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-06 03:38 <osmantis> Bug #7705:04 [PATCH] Changes to .ini.example files to improve instructions and workflow for standalone setups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7705 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-06 08:10 <lkalif> don't remove asset map tiles they are still used¨
2015-09-06 08:29 <lkalif> Melanie_: there is a worldd´outside vi. Assembly<Infos
2015-09-06 08:29 <lkalif> and diva leaves the chat during europian daytime...
2015-09-06 08:44 <osmantis> Bug #7716:04 ode var regions suport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7716 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-09-06 08:58 <osmantis> Bug #7716:04 ode var regions suport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7716 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-09-06 14:40 <osmantis> Bug #7718:04 [MapTiles] Simulator can not generate maptiles on the fly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7718 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2015-09-06 15:23 <osmantis> Bug #7719:04 Rigged & unrigged mesh transparency rendering issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7719 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2015-09-06 16:12 <Ubit> ProcessUnackedSends   bahh why ppl want to break lludp even more?
2015-09-06 16:25 <osmantis> Bug #7710:04 [PATCH] AllowedClients and DeniedClients configuration examples corrected and clarified 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7710 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-09-06 16:42 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Related to previous commits: fixed namespace.
2015-09-06 16:48 <osmantis> Bug #7717:04 [RestConsole] It does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7717 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-09-06 17:04 <diva> Ubit, orenh left a question for you here: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7716
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2015-09-06 17:07 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Clean up viewer-based access control specifications.
2015-09-06 17:07 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Deleted access control spec from [LoginService] section of standalone config. It's in OpenSim.ini now under [AccessControl]. Backwards compatibility preserved.
2015-09-06 17:12 <osmantis> Bug #7716:04 ode var regions suport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7716 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-09-06 17:26 <lkalif> diva: there was a talk about removing asset map tiles. this will break some clients, those based on libomv like Radegast for instance
2015-09-06 17:26 <diva> yeah. I think it needs to go under a config variable
2015-09-06 17:26 <Melanie_> that would be of no help
2015-09-06 17:27 <Melanie_> after all, you can't know what client will connect
2015-09-06 17:27 <diva> you sort of can
2015-09-06 17:27 <Melanie_> so the config variable would effectively be 
2015-09-06 17:27 <diva> in fact you can prevent certain clients from connecting
2015-09-06 17:27 <Melanie_> CrippleRadegast = true/false
2015-09-06 17:27 <lkalif> don't kill it
2015-09-06 17:27 <Melanie_> and that's not good practice
2015-09-06 17:27 <osmantis> Bug #7719:04 Rigged & unrigged mesh transparency rendering issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7719 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-06 17:27 <Melanie_> i don't see all that many users using radegast on avination but there are some
2015-09-06 17:28 <diva> I'm +1 on putting this under a config var and -1 on removing it entirely, at least for now
2015-09-06 17:28 <diva> ppl who don't want to have it, shuld probably also deny Radegast 
2015-09-06 17:28 <Melanie_> i'm actually 0 tending to -1 on the config variable. it would be turned off (because of startup time, by most people) and then radegast has no map
2015-09-06 17:29 <misterblue> Melanie_, while writing your paper consider mutable assets... the current model is unmutable assets but dynamic textures, scriptable materials, and asset map tiles call for a class of assets that are mutable
2015-09-06 17:29 <lkalif> I see no good reason for killing it. It gets generated anyway
2015-09-06 17:29 <osmantis> Bug #7710:04 [PATCH] AllowedClients and DeniedClients configuration examples corrected and clarified 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7710 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-09-06 17:30 <Melanie_> misterblue: that is out of scope for this paper, at least. i'm writing about non-IClientAPI cleint interactions
2015-09-06 17:30 <misterblue> ok... but it is something we should consider for the future
2015-09-06 17:30 <Melanie_> misterblue: However, mutable assets are not really possible in the current basic concept. They will be viable when an entity component model allows to use different types of data
2015-09-06 17:30 <misterblue> the SL model was unmutable assets and that put us in a certain straight jacket
2015-09-06 17:31 <misterblue> we can do it differently in the future
2015-09-06 17:31 <Melanie_> since disk space is cheap, i don't consider immutable assets so much of a downside for the moment. i know that as the foundation of the metaverse, it will have to change to another model but that time is not right now
2015-09-06 17:32 <diva> +1 for mutable assets. But I know what Melanie is talking about on the focus now... Scenes are a mess and we really need to fix it
2015-09-06 17:32 <Melanie_> lkalif: the idea was toyed with because we didn't know that radegast uses asset map tiles and was simply spoken about because on large vars these maptiles become huge (in bytesize)
2015-09-06 17:32 <misterblue> APIs that allow changing the value of an asset (with notifications) would be cool
2015-09-06 17:32 <lkalif> i think everybody needs to disabuse themselves of having a new non-linden client
2015-09-06 17:33 <lkalif> there is not enough energy in the community for such an effort
2015-09-06 17:33 <lkalif> and it takes LOT of effort
2015-09-06 17:33 <Melanie_> is it very difficult to add http map to readgast and stop using asset tiles?
2015-09-06 17:33 <Ubit> ( diva i never seen water in use on physics..   seems original idea was to make it random or something.)
2015-09-06 17:33 <diva> btw Melanie_ what's the timeline for your paper and for the donations from Avination? There's a sh*tload of things I'd like to clean up on Region.Gramework.Scenes, but I don't want to make the merge difficult for you
2015-09-06 17:33 <diva> Gramework ahaha
2015-09-06 17:34 <misterblue> the only use of water in physics was for hover (floating)
2015-09-06 17:34 <diva> Region.Gamework -- now that's a name :D
2015-09-06 17:34 <Melanie_> Ubit: the raw terrain files have a water layer and it was believed that that would allow different wter heights across the simulation.
2015-09-06 17:34 <Melanie_> then we found out the viewers don't support that, they only use the very first value of that layer as the water height
2015-09-06 17:34 <Ubit> yes but that code on ode seems dead for ages
2015-09-06 17:35 <Ubit> ahh yeap that also
2015-09-06 17:35 <Melanie_> diva: misterblue and ubit are on that, I don't know how far it is now. Ubit said he has a maerge to nearly head that seems to work
2015-09-06 17:35 <Melanie_> but i believe he is still testing and fixing
2015-09-06 17:35 <lkalif> water level is a sim-wide property cannot be different on different levels
2015-09-06 17:36 <Melanie_> and the paper is inthe stage of having diagrams added
2015-09-06 17:36 <lkalif> also Melanie_ has been calling for halt of development for more than a two yeard now due to the pending mega-merge that never happened
2015-09-06 17:36 <Melanie_> Ubit, can you tell us where the merging stands?
2015-09-06 17:37 <Ubit> messy  lol :)
2015-09-06 17:37 <Melanie_> lkalif: i did call for a halt but then i had a long illness and released that hold.
2015-09-06 17:37 <lkalif> since before the first conference
2015-09-06 17:37 <lkalif> same story today
2015-09-06 17:37 <Melanie_> i only called for a new halt because we're close and the next set of core changes will be large scale
2015-09-06 17:37 <diva> ok. I'm itching to start reworking Scene.cs as it's the root of all evil. And I don't even mean to change any functionality or data structures; I just want to have it make sense. It's a complete brain dump, of multiple brains.
2015-09-06 17:38 <Melanie_> diva: agreed. :)
2015-09-06 17:38 <Melanie_> Ubit, how long do you think before we can have something that can see the light of day?
2015-09-06 17:38 <lkalif> working on open helps everyone
2015-09-06 17:38 <Ubit> ( in old days aurora did had a water editon thing.. no ideia if any viewer suported it )
2015-09-06 17:39 <lkalif> aurora had many nice things
2015-09-06 17:39 <lkalif> like vars and much cleaner code
2015-09-06 17:40 <MarcusLlewellyn> As a content creator, I could care less about the water layer. I want access to volumetric effects on user created content. But this is the wrong place/time for that wish. ;)
2015-09-06 17:41 <smxy> So, no OSCC '15 this year?
2015-09-06 17:41 <MarcusLlewellyn> 
ACTION was wondering about OSCC too.

2015-09-06 17:42 <diva> not in 15, no
2015-09-06 17:42 <MarcusLlewellyn> Aw. :(
2015-09-06 17:42 <diva> hopefully something will happen in early 16
2015-09-06 17:42 <diva> the last time we also had 14 months in between
2015-09-06 17:42 <misterblue> I need to get the AVN merge off my plate so I can get back to my new viewer ideas
2015-09-06 17:42 <diva> yeah bring those goodies in, so we can all move on
2015-09-06 17:43 <lkalif> misterblue: ideas are not a problem
2015-09-06 17:43 <lkalif> writing a rendering engine is hard
2015-09-06 17:43 <misterblue> ubit and I are working on the AVN/OS merge... currently there is a merge... UBit is doing functional testing and I'm doing "what the heck was merged" analysis
2015-09-06 17:43 <Ubit> lol
2015-09-06 17:43 <lkalif> allegedly
2015-09-06 17:43 <misterblue> writing a rendering engine for SL prims is very hard and not what the future needs
2015-09-06 17:43 <Ubit> ( and what the heck is ubit changing )
2015-09-06 17:44 <diva> lol
2015-09-06 17:44 <smxy> I didn't hear an answer as to when this will all be back in Core, so that the hold can be lifted, other than "soon". 
2015-09-06 17:44 <Melanie_> softwre developent can't be put on rigid timelines when it is as complex as this
2015-09-06 17:44 <MarcusLlewellyn> "It'll be done when it's done," is the classic answer that fits this crowd, frankly. ;)
2015-09-06 17:44 <lkalif> it can be open
2015-09-06 17:45 <misterblue> I'm working to have the base merge done today and passed to Mel for sanity checking
2015-09-06 17:45 <smxy> Oh, I know you can't give a date. Shit happens, and all that. But weeks? Months?
2015-09-06 17:45 <misterblue> it's a goal... see how close I get
2015-09-06 17:45 <lkalif> misterblue: prims are the most efficient streamable content
2015-09-06 17:46 <misterblue> 
ACTION has a say when RL isn't getting in the way of coding :)

2015-09-06 17:46 <lkalif> you have to balance initial load tune vs, rendering time
2015-09-06 17:46 <misterblue> 'say' => 'day
2015-09-06 17:46 <smxy> So, "close". Okay.
2015-09-06 17:47 <smxy> I imagine it's been a bear, doing the merge.
2015-09-06 17:47 <Ubit> hmm merge done today?  hmm optimistic  :p
2015-09-06 17:47 <Melanie_> it's been a couple of families of bears
2015-09-06 17:47 <lkalif> so what is stopping you from working on github?
2015-09-06 17:47 <Melanie_> i wouldn't use github anyway
2015-09-06 17:47 <diva> why github?
2015-09-06 17:48 <misterblue> he really means 'out in the open'
2015-09-06 17:48 <lkalif> so it's open
2015-09-06 17:48 <diva> avination is not open source, as far as I know
2015-09-06 17:48 <diva> they have proprietary modules
2015-09-06 17:48 <diva> just like we do in Encitra
2015-09-06 17:49 <misterblue> that's the rub... need to get it to the point where Mel can do the "I give this to the community" decision
2015-09-06 17:49 <diva> but I never attempted to do any core improvements in Encitra
2015-09-06 17:49 <MarcusLlewellyn> I presume he's pointing out that the resulting work could be open, not avination's code. Perhaps on a new branch?
2015-09-06 17:49 <Melanie_> the resulting work will be merged to master
2015-09-06 17:49 <Melanie_> which is one more reason to ensure usability
2015-09-06 17:49 <diva> it will be when they are able to disentabgle the proprietary parts with the non proprietary ones
2015-09-06 17:50 <lkalif> so it's still pick and chose what improvementd are going to be merged?
2015-09-06 17:50 <smxy> Yeah, based on what Melanie_ was telling me the other day, as soon as Avination's code is merged back to Core, effectively replacing Core, it'll be Open Source at that point, with the commit history of both. That's pretty open then, yes?
2015-09-06 17:50 <diva> I would imagine that some modules will stay behind, but that the line will be on the region module level
2015-09-06 17:50 <Melanie_> lkalif: we won't donate all our private modules. for many of them it would make no sense either because they're tied into our server infrastructure and also not pure c#
2015-09-06 17:51 <diva> for Encitra, that's my line: region modules and robust plugins
2015-09-06 17:51 <Melanie_> we have others that are of general utility and may get released in the next step
2015-09-06 17:51 <diva> I don't touch core
2015-09-06 17:51 <lkalif> diva: according to  your plan everything is going to be a module
2015-09-06 17:51 <Melanie_> like one that does SNMP
2015-09-06 17:51 <diva> lkalif no
2015-09-06 17:51 <misterblue> no?
2015-09-06 17:51 <lkalif> opensim is but a framework
2015-09-06 17:51 <diva> by core I everything that's in the core distribution -- I don't touch any of that
2015-09-06 17:52 <diva> *mean
2015-09-06 17:52 <Melanie_> the idea is to have a scene that manages entities
2015-09-06 17:52 <Melanie_> built from entity components
2015-09-06 17:52 <Melanie_> which would be regio modules
2015-09-06 17:52 <Melanie_> so object inventory for instance will be a component and reside in a regio module
2015-09-06 17:52 <Melanie_> applications that don't require objects to have inventories don't need to load it
2015-09-06 17:53 <Melanie_> the entity types will also be defined in modules
2015-09-06 17:53 <Melanie_> prim, mesh, sculpt....
2015-09-06 17:53 <Melanie_> whatever next. voxels?
2015-09-06 17:54 <Melanie_> my new client communication layer wirks in that same direction, as the interfaces from each EC to the client stack are povided by the EC iself, not the scene
2015-09-06 17:54 <MarcusLlewellyn> point clouds. ;)
2015-09-06 17:54 <lkalif> If your plan assumes, new from the scratch viewers, I think you need to adjust your ambition level
2015-09-06 17:54 <diva> no
2015-09-06 17:55 <diva> exactly same viewers. BUt will also support viewers that behave differently
2015-09-06 17:55 <MarcusLlewellyn> It doesn't assume them. It simply makes them possible.
2015-09-06 17:55 <Melanie_> we may be using the linden based renderer for a long time to come but the new willingness to incorporate additional functionality into viewers makes changes that aren't strictly linden viable
2015-09-06 17:55 <diva> for better or for worse I don't see us dumping SL compatibility any times soon. Just reworking things so that we can go beyond that
2015-09-06 17:55 <Melanie_> also, lkalif, why this negative talk regarding viewers?
2015-09-06 17:56 <Melanie_> let's simply see what happens
2015-09-06 17:56 <lkalif> I've tried writing a rendering engine
2015-09-06 17:56 <Melanie_> no one knows the future
2015-09-06 17:56 <Melanie_> for radegast?
2015-09-06 17:56 <lkalif> people who have no idea how it works thinkk it's easy
2015-09-06 17:56 <diva> lkalif: the viewer's rendering engine is amazing
2015-09-06 17:56 <lkalif> yes, radegast has a decent renderer
2015-09-06 17:57 <lkalif> except for avatars
2015-09-06 17:57 <lkalif> which are not so decent
2015-09-06 17:57 <Melanie_> lkalif: i know it's not. it's so mindnumbingly complex that I never even read all the code
2015-09-06 17:57 <diva> for amateur-generated content, there's nothing that even compares to it
2015-09-06 17:57 <Melanie_> i think one needs to either specialize in it or let speialists deal with it
2015-09-06 17:57 <diva> on my side, I want to save that part of the viewer
2015-09-06 17:58 <Melanie_> same here
2015-09-06 17:58 <diva> and redo everything else
2015-09-06 17:58 <lkalif> yes, but there is tendecy here to just say "we write a viewer and then...2
2015-09-06 17:58 <MarcusLlewellyn> Radegast has what is probably the best independent implementation of LL avatars, even if it's still imperfect. I haven't seen anyone else come close, and most independent viewer implementations haven't even bothered to try.
2015-09-06 17:58 <Melanie_> but the renderer can be driven by another data layer, communication layer and UI
2015-09-06 17:58 <Melanie_> and use different types of objects to source the rendering data from
2015-09-06 17:58 <Melanie_> something that is not LLVO*
2015-09-06 17:59 <lkalif> 3rd party viewer development is mostly about tweaking the UI
2015-09-06 17:59 <diva> one problem with the viewer developments so far is that they are all stuck with an inflexible architecture that hard-codes the UI
2015-09-06 17:59 <lkalif> nobody never added anything substantial
2015-09-06 17:59 <diva> and it we can't program the UI we are always stuck in SL
2015-09-06 17:59 <diva> *if
2015-09-06 17:59 <diva> yep
2015-09-06 17:59 <Melanie_> yup
2015-09-06 18:00 <Melanie_> the rendering as it is now elicits groans from my gamer sons because it's not as slick as GTA V
2015-09-06 18:00 <MarcusLlewellyn> Would be neat to see the viewer stripped to almost nothing but the renderer, and then add UI back in with QT or something. I do realize this isn't a trivial endeavor, but would be neat.
2015-09-06 18:00 <Melanie_> but we all know that rendering PRC is much easier than UGC
2015-09-06 18:00 <diva> so that's exactly what Melanie and I want to do. Save the rendering engine, because it's amazing, and make everything else programmable server side
2015-09-06 18:01 <lkalif> diva: nice goal
2015-09-06 18:01 <lkalif> a bit unrealistic
2015-09-06 18:01 <diva> at that point we'll have essentially a multi-user game engine
2015-09-06 18:01 <misterblue> oh god, not Qt
2015-09-06 18:01 <Melanie_> and with the EC model on the server side, we can support all that
2015-09-06 18:01 <misterblue> if you want to do Qt, start with the HiFi viewer 
2015-09-06 18:01 <Melanie_> misterblue: why not Qt? 
2015-09-06 18:01 <MarcusLlewellyn> Toolkit of choice then. ;)
2015-09-06 18:01 <nebadon> ya QT is one of the reasons i dont like HiFi
2015-09-06 18:02 <Melanie_> whatever toolkit is used must be crossplatform
2015-09-06 18:02 <Melanie_> nebadon: why? what is so bad about it?
2015-09-06 18:02 <lkalif> with the bandwith of the current viewer development they have a hard time merging stuff from lindens
2015-09-06 18:02 <misterblue> cross platform, yes
2015-09-06 18:02 <lkalif> much less doing viewer stuff
2015-09-06 18:03 <diva> yes. This will not be easy
2015-09-06 18:03 <diva> if it were easy it would have been done already
2015-09-06 18:03 <lkalif> like singularity merged new inventory system and it boke opensim support
2015-09-06 18:03 <lkalif> erm
2015-09-06 18:03 <lkalif> nobosy has time to fix it
2015-09-06 18:04 <Melanie_> i consider LL's inventory v3 overengineered
2015-09-06 18:05 <lkalif> yeah but Singularity has the old model still. just it got broke. and nobody has time to fix it
2015-09-06 18:05 <nebadon> well my only experience really with QT is HiFi, maybe its just how they are using it
2015-09-06 18:05 <MarcusLlewellyn> 
ACTION easily imagines meetings about the meeting to decide the meeting for the meeting about inventory in LL offices.

2015-09-06 18:05 <nebadon> HiFi also seems to require QT for their server too
2015-09-06 18:05 <nebadon> which is not graphical in anyway
2015-09-06 18:05 <lkalif> so current alpha of Singularity corrupts your appearance
2015-09-06 18:05 <lkalif> on Opensim
2015-09-06 18:06 <Melanie_> but what is hifi doing with qt that you consider bad?
2015-09-06 18:06 <osmantis> Bug #7716:04 ode var regions suport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7716 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-09-06 18:06 <misterblue> Qt is in the very core of the HiFi stuff... Qt has it's own object, memory, style model and once you start with it, it seeps everywhere
2015-09-06 18:06 <MarcusLlewellyn> The nice this about QT (or similar) is that it is cross platform, works pretty well as a UI in 3D apps, and allows for this like multi-monitor support. I would *kill* to be able to srag chat/build/map etc into a second monitor.
2015-09-06 18:06 <nebadon> yea dont get me wrong I am not saying not to use it
2015-09-06 18:07 <lkalif> you can in radegast :P
2015-09-06 18:07 <nebadon> im just saying QT was one of the reasons I struggled with HiFi
2015-09-06 18:07 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yup. And if Radegast has feature parity with the LL viewer, I would use it instead in a hearbeat. :)
2015-09-06 18:07 <misterblue> if Qt is separated from the rendering and infrastructure and used to UI, I'm not as unhappy
2015-09-06 18:08 <lkalif> MarcusLlewellyn: it was just a few weeks effort to see how hard it was to make a renderer
2015-09-06 18:09 <lkalif> got prims and meshes perfect, inclusing hard stuff like texture animations
2015-09-06 18:09 <lkalif> but the scope is just so  big
2015-09-06 18:09 <H-H-H> has singu not been fixed yet :(
2015-09-06 18:09 <lkalif> no
2015-09-06 18:09 <Melanie_> I still don't see why there is something wrong with QT in Hifi. Yes, I didn't even see it but what is it they did that is so bad?
2015-09-06 18:10 <misterblue> I think it is a mistake to send the editable, low level object to the viewer... the thing sent to the viewer should be a digested oject just made for rendering
2015-09-06 18:10 <MarcusLlewellyn> I don't dount that, and even as a lay person, it isn't difficult for me to see the effort needed. It's not a one man project. It really requires a team of people with an array of expertise. What we're missing is *not* an independent viewer. That's the egg. We need the chicken to lay that egg... the team with the expertise.
2015-09-06 18:11 <misterblue> prims, being compact, promote sending them (to save BW) but it allows all that copybot stuff
2015-09-06 18:11 <misterblue> the viewer should get only rendering things
2015-09-06 18:11 <lkalif> heh
2015-09-06 18:11 <lkalif> copybot smoppybot
2015-09-06 18:11 <lkalif> avination paranoia is contagious
2015-09-06 18:12 <nebadon> Melanie_ for me the biggest issue with QT was getting the environment right in linux
2015-09-06 18:12 <nebadon> it was a bitch
2015-09-06 18:12 <misterblue> I like Sirikata's system of digesting assets (auto simplifying the meshes for LODs) and sending only what was needed to be rendered for the distance from the camera
2015-09-06 18:12 <nebadon> just to get it to build
2015-09-06 18:12 <misterblue> one could view whole cities
2015-09-06 18:12 <nebadon> granted though, they seemed to be giving very little time to linux
2015-09-06 18:12 <lkalif> auto simplifying meshes doesn't work
2015-09-06 18:12 <misterblue> it does at a distance
2015-09-06 18:13 <lkalif> like most of sirikata's stuff
2015-09-06 18:13 <Melanie_> nebadon: Linux is always one of the platforms requiring more expertise. But not everyone is expected to build viewers
2015-09-06 18:13 <Melanie_> most people happily use binaries
2015-09-06 18:13 <lkalif> lsd induced hallucinations lol
2015-09-06 18:13 <misterblue> if you're only using them for rendering
2015-09-06 18:13 <Melanie_> llsd induced hallucinations? lol
2015-09-06 18:13 <diva> misterblue but if we want to support an app that is a shared 3d editor, dont we need to send editable objects?
2015-09-06 18:13 <Melanie_> scnr
2015-09-06 18:14 <lkalif> misterblue: i have seen what state of the art mesh reduction does
2015-09-06 18:14 <lkalif> and it's crap
2015-09-06 18:14 <lkalif> both havoc, blender and hacd
2015-09-06 18:14 <diva> (I dont know much about graphics, maybe we can map back)
2015-09-06 18:14 <Melanie_> i don't see an issue with sending raw objects. 
2015-09-06 18:15 <Melanie_> reducing meshes, tracjing what's been sent, replacing objects with higher lod, causes so much more network chatter
2015-09-06 18:15 <Melanie_> and the network is still the real bottleneck
2015-09-06 18:16 <misterblue> network is important... but if sending a view across three regions (to use OS terminology) you can't send very prim and mesh individually
2015-09-06 18:16 <diva> I think that the ability to do shared creation of 3d content is a really interesting application that should be supported. Then for other users, that is not needed, they should just see it. I don't know how much better it is to send pre-rendered data vs sending the raw data
2015-09-06 18:17 <Melanie_> if creators made real LOD models rather than relying on automatic reduction, things would be much nicer
2015-09-06 18:17 <lkalif> shared content creation was what made SL
2015-09-06 18:17 <misterblue> there can be versions optimized for rendering -- what 99% of the use of the object is -- but right clicking and selecting 'edit' gets the edittable version
2015-09-06 18:18 <misterblue> if you have the permissions
2015-09-06 18:18 <diva> yes
2015-09-06 18:18 <diva> makes sense
2015-09-06 18:18 <misterblue> I think we need to get away from the SL viewer model -- one server, one viewer and one asset format
2015-09-06 18:18 <diva> I mean, I see two classes of users: scene developers and people who experience those scenes -- that's similar to game engines
2015-09-06 18:18 <diva> I don't see a reason why we can't support both
2015-09-06 18:19 <diva> and the strategies for distributing data to them may very well be different
2015-09-06 18:19 <diva> in many applications, most users don't need to create anything at all
2015-09-06 18:20 <lkalif> diva: allowing easy migrationn from consumer to creator is a killer feature
2015-09-06 18:20 <diva> they're just there to experience something -- a game, a conference, etc
2015-09-06 18:20 <Melanie_> misterblue: what exactly is different int he data? you still need vertex lists, faces, uv mappings and textures....
2015-09-06 18:20 <lkalif> if it's just to re-arrange the furnititure
2015-09-06 18:20 <Melanie_> so what precisely would not be sent for a "view" rather than "edit" ?
2015-09-06 18:22 <misterblue> a close by prim could be a mesh with one wrapping texture... a building on the other side of the region could be a combination of prims into one mesh
2015-09-06 18:22 <Melanie_> i doubt the server could do that
2015-09-06 18:22 <Melanie_> processing power isn't unlimited
2015-09-06 18:22 <lkalif> auto texture atlassing... another pipe dream
2015-09-06 18:23 <Melanie_> and that would drastically reduce the number of supportable clients
2015-09-06 18:23 <misterblue> all the working being done to map rooms (take a camera, move it around a room, create a textured mesh of everythign in the room) is technology to use to create what you can see far away
2015-09-06 18:23 <misterblue> I was looking at using some drone mapping software (drone pictures creating a Google Earth like mesh of an area) to create a 3D repreationation of a region for viewing in the distance
2015-09-06 18:24 <misterblue> fake the viewer to see regions far away and t he far away regions are just one mesh
2015-09-06 18:24 <Melanie_> with editable content, that would have to be done on the fly
2015-09-06 18:24 <Melanie_> and that is too expensive
2015-09-06 18:24 <diva> it can be predone Melanie
2015-09-06 18:24 <diva> pre-meshed, that is
2015-09-06 18:24 <MarcusLlewellyn> I"m not sure you'd want it to do that if we're talking about a framework. The service(s) need to manage the scene/assets. It would up to the client to decide how to handle things like LOD. If it wants user created LODs, it can store all those meshes, and retireve them. If it wants just one mesh, it can decide to generate LODs. It's all about use case priorities and implementations. 
2015-09-06 18:24 <Melanie_> so that would only make sense if you were to say "editing is done, bake it"
2015-09-06 18:24 <Melanie_> but in the sl model at least, you can't prerender
2015-09-06 18:25 <diva> the peopel who are creating the scene can at some point click a button and say "generate mesh"
2015-09-06 18:25 <Melanie_> you never know if someone logs in and replaces, say, an entire building
2015-09-06 18:25 <Melanie_> what i said. baking the sim
2015-09-06 18:25 <diva> that's workflow problem
2015-09-06 18:25 <Melanie_> not feasible in many applications
2015-09-06 18:25 <Melanie_> some, yes
2015-09-06 18:25 <Melanie_> like yours
2015-09-06 18:25 <Melanie_> social grids, less so
2015-09-06 18:25 <misterblue> the SL protocol doesn't have update notifications... we'd need that
2015-09-06 18:29 <diva> anyway, I'm really excited with all these possibilities. We REALLY need to break the viewer apart, extract the rendering engine out of its guts and place it in some other framework that is programmable. At the same time we can also consider a lot of these otehr ideas like not sending raw data but sending pre-baked data, etc. But the first *evolutionary* step is to extract that damn rendering 
2015-09-06 18:29 <diva> engine out of there and allow us to have programmable UI
2015-09-06 18:29 <MarcusLlewellyn> +1
2015-09-06 22:04 <osmantis> Bug #7705:04 [PATCH] Changes to .ini.example files to improve instructions and workflow for standalone setups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7705 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-06 23:40 <CmdrCupcake> diva: Extracting the rendering engine out of its guts would take uh
2015-09-06 23:40 <CmdrCupcake> a long-long time
2015-09-06 23:40 <CmdrCupcake> because the renderer isnt in one place
2015-09-06 23:40 <CmdrCupcake> its literally in almost every file.
2015-09-06 23:40 <CmdrCupcake> lol
2015-09-06 23:41 <CmdrCupcake> everything is done manually
2015-09-06 23:41 <CmdrCupcake> hooking the ui framework up to javascript is more viable <.< >.>
2015-09-06 23:42 <CmdrCupcake> or python or lua or *insert easily embeded vm langauge here that is NOT MONO OR C#*
2015-09-07 00:15 <LiruCookies> I'm with CmdrCupcake on that one, diva 
2015-09-07 00:16 <LiruCookies> Also, to break the viewer apart in that way, you'd destroy a number of features TPVs offer.
2015-09-07 00:40 <nebadon> well I dont think anyone is suggesting breaking old viewer compatibility either 
2015-09-07 00:40 <nebadon> unless i am misunderstanding 
2015-09-07 00:41 <nebadon> some new features may not work but I think all old functionality as much as possible should remain
2015-09-07 00:42 <nebadon> at least for foreseeable future
2015-09-07 00:42 <LiruCookies> To stop using something so completely embedded in viewer code we'd need to rip out all of its viewer code completely
2015-09-07 00:45 <nebadon> I have to say though i really do like how unity handles scenes and assets
2015-09-07 00:45 <nebadon> having something like that in opensim would be awesome
2015-09-07 00:47 <nebadon> I think the biggest problem when it comes to the viewer rendering engine is very few people, if anyone really fully seems to know much about it
2015-09-07 01:09 <diva> CmdrCupcake, LiruCookies yeah I'm not entirely sure the extent to which modularizing he viewer is possible. I know there's a rendering engine in there somewhere! Starting with replacing the UI framework would already be a major win :)
2015-09-07 01:11 <diva> In many ways, the UI is really the main thing that's preventing us from having an application framework like Unity3D. 
2015-09-07 01:12 <diva> Modularizing tings better would allow us to do more things like being able to experiment with different kinds of content etc
2015-09-07 01:12 <diva> but starting with the UI would be huge
2015-09-07 01:13 <LiruCookies> diva: Opening up the viewer to respond to the sim is more at hand than ripping out the renderer
2015-09-07 01:14 <diva> I hear you
2015-09-07 01:17 <LiruCookies> diva: We could even extend OnLook to work with v3 and v1 by changing the format to something more unique that could be converted to xml, but that'd take some ork, alternatively, we could split it to two possible responses, requested when talking to server, v1 and v3... though I hope to eventually phase out of v1 xml style in singu, but that is not coming soon enough
2015-09-07 01:17 <LiruCookies> Also, I believe henri still uses the v1 style in cool vl.
2015-09-07 01:17 <diva> +1
2015-09-07 01:17 <diva> I know this is a lot of work
2015-09-07 01:18 <LiruCookies> diva: Perhaps even we could make some sorta attribute to send a message to the server based on ui controls changing... though I may be getting ahead of myself here.
2015-09-07 01:19 <LiruCookies> diva: Also, I've noticed the cleanup going on around here, A+
2015-09-07 01:20 <diva> thanks. there's so much more coming...
2015-09-07 01:21 <LiruCookies> Exciting to hear
2015-09-07 01:22 <osmantis> Bug #6333:04 Local Chat Fail for Driver of Vehicle: Sitting Passengers & Vehicle Text Commands 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6333 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-07 01:23 <osmantis> Bug #5503:04 Chat distance miscalculated when riding vehicle 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5503 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-07 01:25 <osmantis> Bug #5503:04 Chat distance miscalculated when riding vehicle 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5503 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-09-07 01:26 <osmantis> Bug #6333:04 Local Chat Fail for Driver of Vehicle: Sitting Passengers & Vehicle Text Commands 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6333 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-09-07 01:28 <diva> We can't really evolve effectively with the code as is. Some pieces are just dumps of "make it work." It's time to give it an understandable story.
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2015-09-07 02:08 <LiruCookies> diva: While you're doing this, keep in mind that the viewer has changed a lot since the days of your "make it work", and because of that there are a lot of places viewers have had to "make it work on opensim", if those could be removed that'd be awesome.
2015-09-07 02:10 <diva> yeah we need to know about those. I know that the folder numbers were an issues that has been fixed. We need to know about the other issues
2015-09-07 02:10 <diva> I think library is also an issue
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2015-09-07 07:59 <osmantis> Bug #7706:04 DestinationGuide override on a per simulator basis not operational 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7706 ): has been CLOSED
2015-09-07 08:46 <osmantis> Bug #7705:04 [PATCH] Changes to .ini.example files to improve instructions and workflow for standalone setups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7705 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-07 14:27 <osmantis> Bug #7705:04 [PATCH] Changes to .ini.example files to improve instructions and workflow for standalone setups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7705 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-07 15:22 <osmantis> Bug #7705:04 [PATCH] Changes to .ini.example files to improve instructions and workflow for standalone setups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7705 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-09-07 22:39 <osmantis> Bug #7720:04 Changing permissions on wearables destroys the item 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7720 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-09-08 00:20 <smxy> I'd like to know if there's any way to flag grid accounts. For instance, mark some as bots, mark others as blockers (created with the UUID of an foreign HG user to prevent them from coming to the grid), others as inactive and some as test alts. The common feature of them, would be that these flagged accounts would not be included in the total users that something like Wifi displays on the 
2015-09-08 00:20 <smxy> login screen. For example out of 52 accounts in my grid, at least 35 of them would be classified this way. They present an inaccurate reality as to the number of real residents in my grid.
2015-09-08 00:24 <nebadon> only thing i could say
2015-09-08 00:24 <nebadon> is set thier user level to something other than 0
2015-09-08 00:24 <nebadon> then do a mysql count with != that number
2015-09-08 00:25 <nebadon> you could even run that through a couple queries to widdle it even further
2015-09-08 00:25 <smxy> That's certainly one possibility.
2015-09-08 00:26 <nebadon> maybe evne use the userflags
2015-09-08 00:26 <nebadon> I am not quite sure what those do but another way to tag people maybe
2015-09-08 00:28 <smxy> Hmm, okay.
2015-09-08 00:28 <osmantis> Bug #7720:04 Changing permissions on wearables destroys the item 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7720 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-08 00:29 <smxy> If I use the user level, I just need to stay below 100, to keep from making them special, right?
2015-09-08 00:29 <nebadon> you could also start a new database 
2015-09-08 00:29 <nebadon> that has nothing but a UUID and a flag field
2015-09-08 00:30 <nebadon> yea I think so
2015-09-08 00:30 <nebadon> I forget the number levels of what does what exactly 
2015-09-08 00:30 <nebadon> not sure if that info is on wiki or not
2015-09-08 00:31 <smxy> Hmm, I wouldn't need a new dtabase would I? I could just create a new table to query, yes?
2015-09-08 00:31 <nebadon> ya thats what I meant sorry
2015-09-08 00:31 <osmantis> Bug #7720:04 Changing permissions on wearables destroys the item 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7720 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-09-08 00:32 <smxy> That souunds like a nasty bug, danbanner
2015-09-08 00:32 <danbanner> it is
2015-09-08 00:32 <smxy> Thanks for the ideas, nebadon
2015-09-08 00:33 <smxy> Does it matter what viewer, danbanner? Or any?
2015-09-08 00:33 <danbanner> happens in sing and fs
2015-09-08 00:33 <danbanner> so i dont think its viewer related
2015-09-08 00:38 <osmantis> Bug #7720:04 Changing permissions on wearables destroys the item 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7720 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-08 01:11 <osmantis> Bug #7382:04 Constant repeated attempt to access user profile data of unaccessible account generates sim lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7382 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-09-08 02:06 <osmantis> Bug #7603:04 Unusually high CPU load after HG visitor attempts inventory action 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7603 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-08 02:06 <osmantis> Bug #7603:04 Unusually high CPU load after HG visitor attempts inventory action 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7603 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-09-08 02:10 <osmantis> Bug #7437:04 Rezzing problem object results in endless messages logged and excessive CPU use 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7437 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-09-08 03:21 <osmantis> Bug #7721:04 [RADMIN] terrain save-tile generate gray image 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7721 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2015-09-08 03:31 <osmantis> Bug #7718:04 [MapTiles] Simulator can not generate maptiles on the fly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7718 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2015-09-08 03:34 <osmantis> Bug #7717:04 [RestConsole] It does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7717 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2015-09-08 03:55 <osmantis> Bug #7720:04 Changing permissions on wearables destroys the item 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7720 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-08 04:27 <osmantis> Bug #7722:04 [RADMIN] terrain save generate gray image 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7722 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2015-09-08 04:29 <osmantis> Bug #7721:04 [RADMIN] terrain save-tile generate gray image 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7721 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2015-09-08 11:43 <osmantis> Bug #7403:04 Failure to deliver assets to some viewers in a region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7403 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-08 17:35 <lkalif> nebadon: ping.
2015-09-08 17:35 <lkalif> nebadon: does texture upload work when uploading meshes?
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2015-09-08 17:49 <nebadon> yes if the collada is done correctly
2015-09-08 17:50 <nebadon> has to have the texture referenced to proper location etc.. make sure the correct UV map is active etc.. it doesnt handle a single mesh object having more than 1 UV map well
2015-09-08 17:51 <nebadon> it usually picks the wrong one
2015-09-08 17:52 <nebadon> I mostly only have experience with blender though lkalif
2015-09-08 17:52 <nebadon> I know 3d studio max usually works well too though with texturing
2015-09-08 17:52 <nebadon> makes good colladas i mean
2015-09-08 17:53 <nebadon> not all apps do, like sketchup for instance, most of the time those colladas are all kinds of broken uploading into opensim or SL
2015-09-08 17:53 <lkalif> thanks
2015-09-08 17:54 <lkalif> i have a report that texture import is not working
2015-09-08 17:54 <nebadon> ya its likely how they are making the model
2015-09-08 17:55 <jakdaniels> export from blender
2015-09-08 17:55 <nebadon> its probably true that some generated collada files will look wrong
2015-09-08 17:55 <jakdaniels> the texture references thru a sampler and a surface
2015-09-08 17:55 <nebadon> yes running things through either blender or 3ds max usually is a good idea
2015-09-08 17:55 <nebadon> probably true for maya as well
2015-09-08 17:56 <jakdaniels> neb this using radegast mesh importer.
2015-09-08 17:56 <nebadon> atleast their latest versions anyway
2015-09-08 17:56 <nebadon> older versions like 3ds max 9 are a disaster
2015-09-08 17:56 <nebadon> ah
2015-09-08 17:56 <nebadon> well that should work as well
2015-09-08 17:57 <nebadon> what you can do sometimes to alleviate issues with blender
2015-09-08 17:57 <nebadon> before exporting the collada
2015-09-08 17:57 <nebadon> go to File > External Data > Automatically Pack into .blend
2015-09-08 17:57 <nebadon> let it pack everything
2015-09-08 17:58 <nebadon> then once its done go back to File > External Data > Uncheck Automatically Pack into Blend
2015-09-08 17:58 <jakdaniels> does that alter the XML produced somehow? Flatten it or something? I see in this XML fragment http://pastebin.com/Rjf7NxJp several layers of texture references
2015-09-08 17:58 <nebadon> then go back again and File > External Data > Unpack all into Files
2015-09-08 17:58 <jakdaniels> through a 'sampler' and a 'surface'
2015-09-08 17:59 <nebadon> it will make a texture folder with all the textures in the model
2015-09-08 17:59 <nebadon> then if you export the collada to the root level below that textures folder
2015-09-08 17:59 <nebadon> you get a much better chance of all the textures being correct in opensim
2015-09-08 18:00 <nebadon> are you trying to do like materials?
2015-09-08 18:00 <nebadon> like Normals./ Specualar or something?
2015-09-08 18:00 <jakdaniels> its several imports from l3dt
2015-09-08 18:00 <jakdaniels> saved as one big mesh
2015-09-08 18:00 <jakdaniels> nothing fancy
2015-09-08 18:00 <nebadon> how many vertices per object?
2015-09-08 18:01 <nebadon> is it more than 24k triangles per material?
2015-09-08 18:01 <nebadon> that is the limit the viewer can do
2015-09-08 18:01 <nebadon> anything more than that it may get ignored
2015-09-08 18:01 <jakdaniels> not sure, sorry. but the problem seems to be in the nesting of textures onto a sampler and surface. looking at the collada code in libomv, it does deference it properly
2015-09-08 18:01 <jakdaniels> *doesn't
2015-09-08 18:01 <jakdaniels> dereference
2015-09-08 18:01 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/collada/Mesh%20Model%20Requirements.pdf
2015-09-08 18:02 <jakdaniels> sorry typing lol
2015-09-08 18:02 <lkalif> my linux server crashed :(
2015-09-08 18:02 <nebadon> so you are trying to get blender to directly write a opensim asset?
2015-09-08 18:02 <nebadon> wb lkalif
2015-09-08 18:02 <nebadon> im confused at what the problem is
2015-09-08 18:03 <jakdaniels> I take a multi tile export from l3dt, and in a blender script import all tiles into one, export as dae, then upload to opensim via radegast
2015-09-08 18:03 <nebadon> ah i see
2015-09-08 18:04 <jakdaniels> then in opensim I have a linkset for each tile
2015-09-08 18:04 <nebadon> do you see the textures in blender?
2015-09-08 18:04 <nebadon> in material or texture view in blender i assume textures are showing?
2015-09-08 18:04 <jakdaniels> not sure... let me check, my script runs blender headless
2015-09-08 18:05 <Plugh> 
ACTION pokes nebadon

2015-09-08 18:05 <nebadon> hey Plugh
2015-09-08 18:05 <lkalif> i
2015-09-08 18:06 <nebadon> ya what i would suggest jakdaniels is take a dae file from your script
2015-09-08 18:06 <nebadon> and re-import that into blender and see if its textured
2015-09-08 18:06 <nebadon> if its not, opensim wont get it textured either
2015-09-08 18:06 <lkalif> i've tested many mesg uploads with textyres
2015-09-08 18:06 <lkalif> and it worked
2015-09-08 18:06 <nebadon> yea i upload my terrains with radegast all the time
2015-09-08 18:06 <nebadon> 100s of textures 
2015-09-08 18:07 <nebadon> last one i did had 192 tiles
2015-09-08 18:07 <nebadon> each 768x768 region is 16 tiles
2015-09-08 18:09 <jakdaniels> ok... let me go back and see where it's going wrong. I know the l3dt XML has issues, cos I have to change Z_up to Z_UP, and X_up and Y_up
2015-09-08 18:09 <nebadon> texturing is tricky
2015-09-08 18:09 <Plugh> nebadon, looked at the clock lately?
2015-09-08 18:09 <nebadon> i would not expect it to just work
2015-09-08 18:09 <nebadon> DOOH
2015-09-08 18:09 <nebadon> sorry plugh on my way
2015-09-08 18:09 <nebadon> im in the blender tunnel
2015-09-08 18:09 <nebadon> lol
2015-09-08 18:09 <AliciaRaven2> plugh, pull him to the meeting by his ear lol
2015-09-08 18:09 <Plugh> hehe
2015-09-08 18:09 <jakdaniels> sorry Nebadon for distracting you from the meeting 
2015-09-08 18:10 <nebadon> http://4dialog.com/Upplands_Vasby/phase2/demo/img/uv2_hd_blender_005.png
2015-09-08 18:10 <Plugh> Not sure if I could the ears with that outfit he is wearing these days.
2015-09-08 18:10 <nebadon> http://4dialog.com/Upplands_Vasby/phase2/demo/img/uv2_hd_blender_006.png
2015-09-08 18:10 <nebadon> what im working on
2015-09-08 18:10 <jakdaniels> nice
2015-09-08 18:11 <Plugh> Looks good. How did you do that river? It looks quite shiny.
2015-09-08 18:20 <nebadon> those are rendered in blender
2015-09-08 18:21 <nebadon> though you could do similar shine in opensim with specular map
2015-09-08 18:27 <jakdaniels> nebadon: is this the kind of structure you'd expect to see in blender for terrain tiles from l3dt? http://imagebin.ca/v/2Ey6kVK6HDWv  I'm not really very good with blender ;)
2015-09-08 19:14 <nebadon> looking jakdaniels
2015-09-08 19:15 <nebadon> jakdaniels would need to scroll further down to see if UV Map is selected
2015-09-08 19:15 <nebadon> but yes everythign i can see looks right
2015-09-08 19:19 <jakdaniels> http://imagebin.ca/v/2EyMtTWpGMMq
2015-09-08 19:19 <nebadon> also i assume when exporting the collada you are telling blender to preserve the uv textures and material textures
2015-09-08 19:19 <nebadon> 2 check boxes
2015-09-08 19:19 <nebadon> ah yes
2015-09-08 19:19 <nebadon> you dont have the UV Map selected
2015-09-08 19:19 <nebadon> could be why
2015-09-08 19:19 <nebadon> very bottom where it says map
2015-09-08 19:19 <nebadon> you should select the UV map there
2015-09-08 19:20 <jakdaniels> oh... let me try that then. my bad :)
2015-09-08 19:24 <jakdaniels> my exporter script does set include_uv_textures=True and include_material_textures=True
2015-09-08 19:24 <jakdaniels> *blender script
2015-09-08 19:27 <jakdaniels> but I think I see the problem with the mapping
2015-09-08 20:26 <osmantis> Bug #7705:04 [PATCH] Changes to .ini.example files to improve instructions and workflow for standalone setups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7705 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-08 20:29 <nebadon> cool jakdaniels any luck?
2015-09-08 20:56 <osmantis> Bug #7705:04 [PATCH] Changes to .ini.example files to improve instructions and workflow for standalone setups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7705 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-08 23:00 <lkalif> http://blogs.windows.com/buildingapps/2015/09/08/unity-support-for-windows-10/?linkId=16903346
2015-09-08 23:01 <lkalif> vs2015 as default, nice
2015-09-09 03:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #4324 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-09-09 03:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4324: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4324/
2015-09-09 03:53 <osjenkins> melanie: Make sure the chat module doesn't deactivate just because the section
2015-09-09 10:09 <jakdaniels> ping nebadon. Sorry, got called away yesterday so couldn't finish testing.
2015-09-09 10:10 <jakdaniels> Still no luck with this. Can you try this test for me? Do you remember the 8_material_sample_01.dae you created? If I upload this with Replex it works fine. If I upload with Radegast I get no textures. Do this happen for you too? Thanks
2015-09-09 21:18 <diva> Melanie_T misterblue Ubit: when you merge avn to core, please do it on a branch first.
2015-09-09 21:18 <diva> also any ETA on that?
2015-09-09 21:22 <Ubit> mister or mel will do that
2015-09-09 22:59 <Melanie_T> diva: wy should we do that i a branch? Master would just run away from us again is we do
2015-09-09 22:59 <Melanie_T> if*
2015-09-09 23:00 <Melanie_T> better here to make old core code be a legacy branch
2015-09-09 23:00 <Melanie_T> and keep active debelopment in master
2015-09-09 23:01 <Melanie_T> development*
2015-09-09 23:03 <diva> I think it's better to have it in a branch foir at least a couple of days for some brave souls to test
2015-09-09 23:03 <diva> nothing much is going on. 
2015-09-09 23:03 <diva> I'm waiting for your code before doing any more changes
2015-09-09 23:03 <diva> I'm not gonna touch anything until your changes come up
2015-09-09 23:04 <diva> but for ppl cloning/pulling from git, it's better if they get something that is relatively stable, at least for a couple of days
2015-09-09 23:04 <diva> until we detect and fix any major issues
2015-09-09 23:05 <diva> I'm sure there are half-a-dozen ppl here who will be willing to pull from that branch and tes in their configs
2015-09-09 23:13 <diva> Melanie_T what major fixes are you donating? Vehicle crossing? What else? -- I'd like to start writing the release notes
2015-09-09 23:15 <Melanie_T> well, i'd rather get the feedback sooner
2015-09-09 23:16 <Melanie_T> from just those people who clone from git
2015-09-09 23:16 <Melanie_T> after all, we're working now to get the major stuff sored out
2015-09-09 23:16 <Melanie_T> so what we out out is runnabe
2015-09-09 23:16 <Melanie_T> anyway
2015-09-09 23:16 <diva> I think you really want to have some controlled feedback first, from just a few of us here before unleashing it on everyone
2015-09-09 23:16 <Melanie_T> the vehicle parameters system and vehicle crossings
2015-09-09 23:17 <Melanie_T> our version of the http inventory v2
2015-09-09 23:17 <Melanie_T> global throttles
2015-09-09 23:17 <Melanie_T> improvements in the client stack
2015-09-09 23:17 <Melanie_T> improvements all over the code
2015-09-09 23:17 <Melanie_T> too many to list
2015-09-09 23:18 <Melanie_T> groundwork for actually doing texture pipelining, not just faking it
2015-09-09 23:18 <Melanie_T> lots more
2015-09-09 23:18 <Melanie_T> too many to remember
2015-09-09 23:18 <Melanie_T> 2 years of indepdendent development
2015-09-09 23:18 <diva> hmm, it will be nice to list them at some point
2015-09-09 23:19 <diva> what improvements have you made to http inventory? 
2015-09-09 23:19 <diva> I don't know if you notice3d, byt I change dthe IInventory API
2015-09-09 23:20 <diva> that's what fixed the login load
2015-09-09 23:20 <diva> but that was a sim <-> service API, not client-facing
2015-09-09 23:43 <Melanie_T> we have a global throttle
2015-09-09 23:43 <Melanie_T> it throttles both http and udp
2015-09-09 23:43 <Melanie_T> inventory requests are serialized and paced
2015-09-09 23:43 <Melanie_T> so the initial inventory load of a folder refresh doesn't take all the bandwidth for a moment
2015-09-09 23:44 <Melanie_T> but comes incely and choke-free
2015-09-09 23:44 <Melanie_T> test it in avination
2015-09-09 23:44 <Melanie_T> *or* a folder refresh
2015-09-09 23:44 <Melanie_T> also, we're blazingly fast on http-in
2015-09-09 23:45 <diva> cool. I have an inventory-downloading bot that can measure this kind of stuff
2015-09-09 23:49 <diva> so any ETA on this seeing the light of day? How's Ubit doing? Has he gone down from thousands of problems to dozens of problems?
2015-09-09 23:54 <Melanie_T> he did say it's runnable
2015-09-09 23:54 <Melanie_T> currently he's chasing a leak
2015-09-09 23:55 <H-H-H> hmmmm did i see vehicle crossings amongst the list of improvements?
2015-09-09 23:57 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-09-09 23:57 <Melanie_T> that was going to be donated after OSCC13
2015-09-09 23:57 <Melanie_T> but i was ill for more than a year
2015-09-09 23:57 <Melanie_T> things went south
2015-09-09 23:58 <Melanie_T> we diverged so far that it wasn't possible
2015-09-09 23:58 <H-H-H> hey life sucks sometimes and shit happens :)
2015-09-09 23:58 <Melanie_T> so now we're just oopensourcing all avination core mprovements
2015-09-09 23:58 <Melanie_T> core and avination will have the same opensim code
2015-09-09 23:58 <Melanie_T> our private modules will keep avn special
2015-09-09 23:59 <H-H-H> sounds like a relatively big change for core opensim?
2015-09-09 23:59 <Melanie_T> but i don't want to be held for ransom by a code divergence any longer
2015-09-09 23:59 <Melanie_T> yes it's a big change 
2015-09-10 00:00 <H-H-H> well ive been toying with using opensim as a 3d engine to make something similar to minecraft but in 3d and opensim can do it but from what your saying i really should wait and see the newer code before i delve to deep :)
2015-09-10 00:01 <H-H-H> things like vehicle crossings will be of particular interest
2015-09-10 00:03 <Melanie_T> we also made another change that i just had to hunt down
2015-09-10 00:03 <Melanie_T> to see if it's compatible with core
2015-09-10 00:03 <Melanie_T> we changed the ssl listener so that it can be configured to use only http
2015-09-10 00:04 <Melanie_T> instead of https
2015-09-10 00:04 <Melanie_T> that is so that the handling o ssl can be done by nginx
2015-09-10 00:04 <Melanie_T> and it forwards the data as http behind the firewall
2015-09-10 00:04 <Melanie_T> because mono's cipher suites are ancient
2015-09-10 00:05 <H-H-H> sounds like some good stuff coming down the pipe :)
2015-09-10 00:06 <Melanie_T> we had a client who couldn't connect to secure http-in because of no cipher overlap
2015-09-10 00:06 <Melanie_T> his client was unable to downgrade to insecure
2015-09-10 00:06 <Melanie_T> and mono doesn't have the updated cipher suites
2015-09-10 00:07 <Melanie_T> shame, really
2015-09-10 00:13 <Melanie_T> speaking of ssl
2015-09-10 00:13 <Melanie_T> we should really pick up the fixes DTL/NSL did to it in the forge 
2015-09-10 00:13 <Melanie_T> their stuff makes client certs work
2015-09-10 00:14 <Melanie_T> to the opensim http server*
2015-09-10 00:14 <Melanie_T> also, ubit tells me the pipelining implementation isn't working right because the http server is so breaindead
2015-09-10 00:14 <Melanie_T> it's EOL upstream
2015-09-10 00:15 <Melanie_T> so maybe we should take the http server code into opensim proper
2015-09-10 00:15 <Melanie_T> make it easier to fix and adapt
2015-09-10 00:15 <Melanie_T> it's in opensi-libs currently
2015-09-10 00:16 <Ubit> imo it should be cleaned up of the extra things on it, and fixed so keepalive does work
2015-09-10 00:28 <nebadon> diva have you seen this mantis > http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7720
2015-09-10 00:33 <Ubit> damm lost my normal shirt :p
2015-09-10 00:46 <Dev_Random> lol @ "normal" shirt... bet it was spec(tac)ular
2015-09-10 00:46 <Ubit> well not really.. but im used to it :)
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2015-09-10 03:17 <osmantis> Bug #7720:04 Changing permissions on wearables destroys the item 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7720 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-09-10 15:24 <osmantis> Bug #7720:04 Changing permissions on wearables destroys the item 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7720 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-10 15:42 <osmantis> Bug #7720:04 Changing permissions on wearables destroys the item 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7720 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-10 21:40 <osmantis> Bug #7695:04 is there a way to avoid the 22ms delay before http_request event is fired? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7695 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-10 21:56 <Ubit> only 22ms ? hmm
2015-09-10 22:50 <osmantis> Bug #7695:04 is there a way to avoid the 22ms delay before http_request event is fired? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7695 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-09-11 00:06 <osmantis> Bug #7720:04 Changing permissions on wearables destroys the item 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7720 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-09-11 02:40 <osmantis> Bug #7723:04 llSetParcelMusicURL() does not persist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7723 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2015-09-11 03:47 <Ubit> mantis 7720  seems caused by the cache added to inventory in 2015-06-04 r/26042
2015-09-11 03:48 <Ubit> actually added to XInventoryServicesConnector
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2015-09-11 14:03 <H-H-H> hey guys what would cause me not being able to hg back to my home region 
2015-09-11 14:05 <H-H-H> it says request timed out
2015-09-11 14:06 <H-H-H> this is also wierd
2015-09-11 14:06 <H-H-H> 15:01:43 - [USER AGENT SERVICE]: Gatekeeper sees me as 
2015-09-11 14:28 <osmantis> Bug #7720:04 Changing permissions on wearables destroys the item 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7720 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-11 14:37 <osmantis> Bug #7720:04 Changing permissions on wearables destroys the item 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7720 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-11 15:38 <osmantis> Bug #7720:04 Changing permissions on wearables destroys the item 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7720 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-11 16:50 <osmantis> Bug #7720:04 Changing permissions on wearables destroys the item 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7720 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-11 16:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #4325 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-09-11 17:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4325: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4325/
2015-09-11 17:00 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Typos in comments
2015-09-11 17:00 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7720: AssetXferUploader was setting AssetID to UUID.Zero. Before that wouldn't matter (item would be a terminal object) but with the introduction of the item cache, it matters, because the object in the cache was being modified to have AssetID=UUID.Zero. Also keeping the item cache consistent when item properties change.
2015-09-11 18:06 <osmantis> Bug #7720:04 Changing permissions on wearables destroys the item 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7720 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-11 18:08 <osmantis> Bug #7720:04 Changing permissions on wearables destroys the item 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7720 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-11 18:26 <osmantis> Bug #7720:04 Changing permissions on wearables destroys the item 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7720 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-11 19:17 <lkalif> lindens removing suppot for udp inventory completely out https://docs.google.com/document/d/11dwQ4lfvztkFEvL1U-r2_kV30yOaY8Xox54hgOiZqgk/edit
2015-09-11 19:18 <lkalif> both server and viewer side
2015-09-11 20:05 <CmdrCupcake> lkalif: Keeping the viewer code is trivial
2015-09-11 20:05 <CmdrCupcake> It's just a case of adding if(ISAISHEREGUYS){} else {UDP} back 
2015-09-11 22:39 <diva> lkalif CmdrCupcake Melanie_T moving inventory to http entirely is a good thing. I hope to do the server-side support for it after the avination merge. I also hope this will be the last big change we'll accomodate from the Lindens and that from here on, we'll just move on to programmable viewers. These will likely be incompatible with future developments of the SL viewer (assuming there 
2015-09-11 22:39 <diva> will be any)
2015-09-11 22:42 <Melanie_T> I just thing I3 is overengineered
2015-09-11 22:42 <Melanie_T> think*
2015-09-11 22:43 <Melanie_T> it would have been enough, methinks, to keep I2 and add a few more caps for add/update/delete
2015-09-11 22:43 <Melanie_T> instead we get this huge monster of a protocol
2015-09-11 22:44 <Melanie_T> going to http is good - we should ideally not send any "reliable" UDP as that is reinventing the wheel
2015-09-11 22:58 <CmdrCupcake> I like I3 :p
2015-09-11 22:58 <CmdrCupcake> over engineering is good in the case of the mess that was inventory.
2015-09-11 23:02 <osmantis> Bug #7720:04 Changing permissions on wearables destroys the item 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7720 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2015-09-12 01:34 <CmdrCupcakeM> Wow
2015-09-12 01:34 <CmdrCupcakeM> Inworldz pushed their sim source code
2015-09-12 01:35 <MarcusLlewellyn> !!
2015-09-12 01:36 <MarcusLlewellyn> 
ACTION looks out the window for aerodynamic porcines.

2015-09-12 01:37 <CmdrCupcakeM> I know right?
2015-09-12 01:38 <MarcusLlewellyn> Their viewer code had been available (cuz LGPL), and I see they've made their asset service code available. Where are they hosting the sim code/
2015-09-12 01:38 <CmdrCupcakeM> https://github.com/InWorldz/halcyon
2015-09-12 01:38 <CmdrCupcakeM> GitHub like everything else
2015-09-12 01:38 <MarcusLlewellyn> Zowie, yup.
2015-09-12 01:39 <CmdrCupcakeM> Their script engine is there too.
2015-09-12 01:39 <CmdrCupcakeM> Phlox.
2015-09-12 01:40 <MarcusLlewellyn> They forked way back around 0.6 or so, before the whole refactor for ROBUST. Ages ago. Will be interesting to see how far away they are from core.
2015-09-12 01:40 <nebadon> Copyright (c) 2015, InWorldz Inc.
2015-09-12 01:40 <nebadon> All rights reserved.
2015-09-12 01:40 <MarcusLlewellyn> 
ACTION wouldn't mind replacing XEngine in the least.

2015-09-12 01:40 <nebadon> 
ACTION makes pacman dieing sounds

2015-09-12 01:41 <MarcusLlewellyn> I see a three clause BSD in their root.
2015-09-12 01:41 <nebadon> i was looking at the license file
2015-09-12 01:41 <MarcusLlewellyn> Ditto.
2015-09-12 01:41 <nebadon> https://github.com/InWorldz/halcyon/blob/master/LICENSE
2015-09-12 01:41 <nebadon> copyright (c) is the most restrictive
2015-09-12 01:42 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yup. I see a BSD license.
2015-09-12 01:42 <Melanie_T> they actually published parts of phlox before
2015-09-12 01:42 <nebadon> ya but why (c)
2015-09-12 01:42 <nebadon> if its BSD
2015-09-12 01:42 <Melanie_T> yjsy shou;dn't be there
2015-09-12 01:42 <MarcusLlewellyn> All licenses claim copyright. What they do is specify what rights you're granted under their copyrights.
2015-09-12 01:42 <Melanie_T> that shouldn't be there
2015-09-12 01:43 <nebadon> no (c) means something very specific
2015-09-12 01:43 <nebadon> you cant make (c) BSD
2015-09-12 01:43 <MarcusLlewellyn> File an issue. >:)
2015-09-12 01:43 <Melanie_T> regardless
2015-09-12 01:43 <Ubit> where is the reference to bsd?
2015-09-12 01:43 <Melanie_T> with avination coming to core and inworldz publishing
2015-09-12 01:43 <Melanie_T> the result will be grrrrrrreat
2015-09-12 01:43 <Melanie_T> 
ACTION mimes tony tiger

2015-09-12 01:44 <Ubit> hmm i don't see bsd anywhere
2015-09-12 01:44 <MarcusLlewellyn> I have no idea who good Phlox is. I gave up on inworldz back when it seemed to me that they were V2/3 hostile. But if licenses are in order, and it is as good as they like to advertise, I say we snatch it. :)
2015-09-12 01:45 <Melanie_T> phlox is inworldz proprietary script engine
2015-09-12 01:45 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yup.
2015-09-12 01:45 <Melanie_T> i'm not aware of what it can or can't do
2015-09-12 01:45 <Melanie_T> it does have microthreading and a native LSL compiler
2015-09-12 01:46 <Melanie_T> i don't know in what way it may handle stacksnacking and remote instantiation
2015-09-12 01:46 <CmdrCupcakeM> It looked pretty neat when I was reading through it
2015-09-12 01:46 <Melanie_T> much of their work may have been superseded by core improvements as they started parallel development a log time ago
2015-09-12 01:46 <CmdrCupcakeM> Much saber then xengine
2015-09-12 01:46 <CmdrCupcakeM> Saner
2015-09-12 01:46 <MarcusLlewellyn> Since XEngine was largely your work, you're best qualified to make a comparison with XEngine. Cuz you don't have enough to do. Obviously. ;)
2015-09-12 01:47 <Melanie_T> lol
2015-09-12 01:47 <Melanie_T> xengine is a better dotnetengine
2015-09-12 01:47 <Melanie_T> meaning, it did what could be done t=at the time it was done
2015-09-12 01:47 <Melanie_T> and merely was designed to be more extensible and variable
2015-09-12 01:48 <Melanie_T> but still reliant on the "one thread, one script" thing
2015-09-12 01:48 <Melanie_T> monoco was the first stab at mono continuations but wasn't fully integrsted into mno
2015-09-12 01:48 <CmdrCupcakeM> Xengine scares me :(
2015-09-12 01:48 <MarcusLlewellyn> I don't want rag on XEngine *too* much. It's "good enough" for most use cases. But it can be stupidly quirky too. :/
2015-09-12 01:48 <Melanie_T> but mono now has native continuation and coroutine support, makig microthreads much less work
2015-09-12 01:49 <Melanie_T> xengine could be extended to leverage monoco
2015-09-12 01:49 <Melanie_T> but i'm keeny aware of the shortcomings of the current iteration
2015-09-12 01:49 <Melanie_T> yet much code depends on it and runs on it
2015-09-12 01:49 <Melanie_T> it will be up to each grid to decide what to use
2015-09-12 01:52 <MarcusLlewellyn> They use XML rather than INI format for their conig.
2015-09-12 01:52 <Melanie_T> opensim can also use xml
2015-09-12 01:53 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yeah. But it's barren in comparison.
2015-09-12 01:53 <CmdrCupcakeM> Xml is interesting. Ini is so windows
2015-09-12 01:54 <MarcusLlewellyn> INI is basically just a serialized associative array. That makes a lot of sense in a great many configuration scenarios, and is way more human parse-able.
2015-09-12 01:56 <MarcusLlewellyn> Just eyeballing files, and no source, this looks nothing like core. It's like a distant cousin.
2015-09-12 01:57 <MarcusLlewellyn> Their PhysX stuff is there too.
2015-09-12 01:59 <CmdrCupcakeM> It's fun looking at it on a phone
2015-09-12 01:59 <nebadon> makes me wonder if MOSES is some how involved in this
2015-09-12 01:59 <nebadon> I know InWorldz was the reason they looked at physx in the first place
2015-09-12 02:00 <notskittles> MOSES isn't involved, but inworldz gave MOSES the initial physx code to work off of.
2015-09-12 02:03 <nebadon> regardless its good to see them open up their code
2015-09-12 02:04 <nebadon> I wonder if it works with mysql
2015-09-12 02:04 <nebadon> I kind of recall them not using mysql anymore
2015-09-12 02:04 <notskittles> it's window only currently.
2015-09-12 02:04 <nebadon> oh
2015-09-12 02:05 <notskittles> they use cassandradb for things like inventory, not sure what else.
2015-09-12 02:05 <dmiles_afk> is main issue that MOSES has is that the cant just commit the OpenSim right?
2015-09-12 02:05 <MarcusLlewellyn> It looks to me like they're using Cassandra for at least some of their storage needs.
2015-09-12 02:05 <nebadon> dmiles_afk not really not
2015-09-12 02:05 <dmiles_afk> (they have to push patches slowly like everyone)
2015-09-12 02:05 <nebadon> no I do not think that is the problem at all
2015-09-12 02:06 <dmiles_afk> nebadon: ah, go on
2015-09-12 02:06 <nebadon> I think its mostly just projects have different goals and visions of how to get there
2015-09-12 02:07 <Melanie_T> i;m just assuming no one recalls my words from 10 years ago
2015-09-12 02:07 <nebadon> another problem was that no one here had a direct line really to the developers that moses was commiting code from
2015-09-12 02:08 <dmiles_afk> ther eis no ammount of CI/Jenkins that can protect opensim from commits that are not good for he project i suppsoe
2015-09-12 02:08 <Melanie_T> but i did say that the path to the 3d internet, and to opensim becoming the apache of the new net, would mean a lot of development but in opensim and out of it and would eventually lead to a convergence of these effort and to breaking free of Linden Labs
2015-09-12 02:08 <Melanie_T> i believe that time has come
2015-09-12 02:09 <nebadon> dmiles_afk no not really
2015-09-12 02:09 <nebadon> it wasnt really a matter of good or bad code
2015-09-12 02:09 <nebadon> its a matter of what the product should be
2015-09-12 02:09 <nebadon> I think anyway
2015-09-12 02:10 <nebadon> I dont think its a bad think if they fork and develop in a fork that is open
2015-09-12 02:10 <dmiles_afk> one example i am thinking about is for exmaple changing permission default in some weird new way that only some clients understand 
2015-09-12 02:10 <nebadon> yea
2015-09-12 02:11 <Melanie_T> dmiles_afk wait for my paper
2015-09-12 02:11 <nebadon> security is a big area where I think we converge greatly from what MOSES wants 
2015-09-12 02:11 <Melanie_T> the first of s atring of papers
2015-09-12 02:11 <MarcusLlewellyn> MOSES has to answer to people above them. They have to meet certain requirements and deadlines, probably to justify their very existence.. They can't (and won') wait on core, so plow ahead if they have to.
2015-09-12 02:12 <dmiles_afk> Melanie_T: i am excited! 
2015-09-12 02:12 <Melanie_T> dmiles_afk: my work goes to a data centric client interface and an entity component model for the simulation
2015-09-12 02:12 <MarcusLlewellyn> That's kinda sad that they can't work closer with core. But they have realities they have to deal with, and can undertand that.
2015-09-12 02:12 <dmiles_afk> for what you are saying MarcusLlewellyn what they offer should be a very good thing
2015-09-12 02:13 <nebadon> I think the military is still trying to figure out how to best work on and be a part of open source
2015-09-12 02:13 <Melanie_T> the first paper on client interfacing lays the groundwork for allowing an EC model that allows ECs to talk to client that are aware for them without scene or other clients needing to know about the data content fr format
2015-09-12 02:13 <Melanie_T> or(
2015-09-12 02:13 <MarcusLlewellyn> All innovation is a good thing, especially when it's open sourced. :)
2015-09-12 02:13 <nebadon> opensource is definitely a square peg in the militarys round holes
2015-09-12 02:13 <Melanie_T> bullet holes?
2015-09-12 02:13 <notskittles> errr, this inworldz license is a bit sketchy anyway. the whole thing is gpl poisoned whether they know it or not....
2015-09-12 02:13 <Melanie_T> if it is, the code can't be used by us
2015-09-12 02:13 <nebadon> its a top secret open source project!!!
2015-09-12 02:14 <MarcusLlewellyn> They have a lot of DLLs (native/assemblies?) they aren't listed in their ThirdPartyLicenses file. That raises a flag for me.
2015-09-12 02:14 <dmiles_afk> when i worked for the millitary and even secret projects i contribed to opensource but this was to lessen the impact of forks
2015-09-12 02:14 <Melanie_T> like the plox release a few weeks ago, it may be meant to gather kuds without actually sharing something useful
2015-09-12 02:15 <Melanie_T> i can't tell at this point
2015-09-12 02:15 <Melanie_T> kudos*
2015-09-12 02:15 <dmiles_afk> i hated forks .. but the opensource community wouldnt let some teams contribute
2015-09-12 02:15 <MarcusLlewellyn> Also... I'm not at all informed about PhysX's license terms, but it *isn't* open sourced. The source is available under certain terms, and I dunno what it requires when it comes to redistribution.
2015-09-12 02:15 <Melanie_T> but proper selection of licenses for dlls used and a proper umbreala license seem to me basic requirements
2015-09-12 02:15 <nebadon> ya the (c) made me close my browser
2015-09-12 02:15 <nebadon> im not even looking
2015-09-12 02:16 <Melanie_T> forks can be good
2015-09-12 02:16 <Melanie_T> hostile forks like aurora are not
2015-09-12 02:16 <dmiles_afk> (and the thing we never told the opensource projects is that we were above liciencing concerns when it came down to a real deployment later)
2015-09-12 02:16 <nebadon> im sure that is simply a mistake but still id rather wait for it to be fixed, then look
2015-09-12 02:16 <nebadon> hehe
2015-09-12 02:16 <notskittles> well, it includes Murmur.cs which is generated by zero-c ice. zero-c only dual licenses stuff as GPL2 or under a proprietary license.
2015-09-12 02:16 <MarcusLlewellyn> Forks are good. Drama is bad. Forks without drama are best.
2015-09-12 02:16 <notskittles> there's no room for BSD in there.
2015-09-12 02:17 <Melanie_T> ouch
2015-09-12 02:17 <dmiles_afk> so the main thing is the secret projects cant by accident screw up the opensource projects by messing up what it uses
2015-09-12 02:17 <notskittles> https://zeroc.com/licensing.html
2015-09-12 02:18 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yeah. They should have looked licenses better before putting it up. They've been free to just do whatever they wanted with any old components for so long.
2015-09-12 02:19 <dmiles_afk> Melanie_T: you mean to say perhaps a new type of client is comming that replicates the opensim data model so that protocal whatnots are less a concenrn?
2015-09-12 02:20 <dmiles_afk> Melanie_T: also if a new attribute is needed ona  prim.. one can jsut put it there?
2015-09-12 02:20 <Melanie_T> for a log long time, opensim has bowed down to the LL dictate that "this message must carry that data"
2015-09-12 02:20 <Melanie_T> my new approach breaks that, maing the interface simulation data centric
2015-09-12 02:21 <MarcusLlewellyn> It's always bothered me that we store serialized LLUDP data.
2015-09-12 02:21 <dmiles_afk> Melanie_T: sounds like you are seeing that scripting and non scritpting code is adisntion that has for too long been considered too important
2015-09-12 02:21 <Melanie_T> if a client stack needs to dend data item c along ith data block a, it just has to query data bock C, or cache it, to add to the message
2015-09-12 02:21 <dmiles_afk> Melanie_T: sounds like you are seeing that scripting and non scritpting code "distinction"  has for too long been considered too important
2015-09-12 02:21 <Melanie_T> he simulation is no longer burdened by the knowledge of the client protocol
2015-09-12 02:22 <Melanie_T> this first paper is about protocol interfaces
2015-09-12 02:22 <Melanie_T> but the visio is to have a lean simulation, simulating one or more scenes holding generic entities
2015-09-12 02:23 <Melanie_T> those are made up of components and components can be present or absent in any given entity, the scene doesn't enforce homogenity
2015-09-12 02:23 <MarcusLlewellyn> Will your paper be easily accessible to ordinary mortals, Melanie? i.e. non-academics without subscriptions to journals and what-not? :)
2015-09-12 02:23 <dmiles_afk> Melanie_T: i see but withought simply being a OODBMS
2015-09-12 02:23 <Melanie_T> it will be widely published for free
2015-09-12 02:23 <MarcusLlewellyn> Awesome. Thank you. :)
2015-09-12 02:24 <dmiles_afk> simply being a OODBMS = many game servers start here and then go no where becasue they have a well designed object brokering whatnot and no fun clients and fun regions
2015-09-12 02:25 <Melanie_T> all of opensim's current content will still be representable in the new structure
2015-09-12 02:25 <Melanie_T> this isn't a content purge
2015-09-12 02:25 <dmiles_afk> OpenSim can work its way backwards to a generic object brokering system and not break its already good stuff
2015-09-12 02:25 <Melanie_T> it's a bad code and bad architecture purge
2015-09-12 02:25 <dmiles_afk> yup!
2015-09-12 02:26 <Melanie_T> see
2015-09-12 02:26 <Melanie_T> there is a simulation
2015-09-12 02:26 <Melanie_T> it is a container for scenes
2015-09-12 02:26 <Melanie_T> there is a scene
2015-09-12 02:26 <dmiles_afk> if OS started with the new structure it would ahve been OK .. but probly i dunno would ahve slowed down prgreess maybe
2015-09-12 02:27 <Melanie_T> it is a container for entities
2015-09-12 02:27 <Melanie_T> there is an entity
2015-09-12 02:27 <Melanie_T> it is a container for components
2015-09-12 02:27 <Melanie_T> there is a component
2015-09-12 02:27 <Melanie_T> it implements a narrowly prescribed feature
2015-09-12 02:27 <MarcusLlewellyn> All translated at the hip. >:)
2015-09-12 02:27 <Melanie_T> all scenes and all scene entities MAY be data endpoint brokers
2015-09-12 02:28 <Melanie_T> data endpoints are what client stacks interact with
2015-09-12 02:28 <Melanie_T> scenes for instance will no longer track seen objects per presence
2015-09-12 02:28 <Melanie_T> even presences (which are ECs) will not
2015-09-12 02:28 <Melanie_T> this now falls to instances of the client stack
2015-09-12 02:28 <Melanie_T> which decides wheher the type of client interfaced here even needs that feature
2015-09-12 02:29 <Melanie_T> since not all clients are graphical
2015-09-12 02:29 <dmiles_afk> what would be interesting tell of sucfess is if as we moved out layers .. eventualyl certain code would never need to be edited
2015-09-12 02:29 <Melanie_T> some may be input only from weather radar
2015-09-12 02:29 <Melanie_T> or gps date
2015-09-12 02:29 <Melanie_T> my intention is to make the simulation and scenes completely ignorant of the data formats and messages passed to and from clients
2015-09-12 02:30 <dmiles_afk> in essence minimzing he impact of forks
2015-09-12 02:30 <dmiles_afk> turning forks ionto modules
2015-09-12 02:30 <Melanie_T> well, essentially continuing diva's "everything is a module" thrust in that ECs will be contained in region modules
2015-09-12 02:30 <Melanie_T> so, for instance, LL type inventories will be a region module
2015-09-12 02:31 <Melanie_T> you may not choose to enable it
2015-09-12 02:31 <Melanie_T> instead use MRM like scenewide scripting
2015-09-12 02:31 <Melanie_T> or data input from special client types
2015-09-12 02:31 <Melanie_T> see above
2015-09-12 02:31 <Melanie_T> scene ENTITIES can be endpont brokers
2015-09-12 02:31 <Melanie_T> brokering all endpoints created by their ECs
2015-09-12 02:31 <Melanie_T> a client can talk to a single object's EC
2015-09-12 02:32 <Melanie_T> if it knows what it does
2015-09-12 02:32 <MarcusLlewellyn> Putting the core back into core. ;)
2015-09-12 02:32 <Melanie_T> so you can have an EC storing weather data
2015-09-12 02:32 <Melanie_T> and a weather input client scraping accuweather
2015-09-12 02:33 <Melanie_T> and sending that data to that specific EC
2015-09-12 02:33 <Melanie_T> ad no other
2015-09-12 02:33 <Melanie_T> no presence
2015-09-12 02:33 <Melanie_T> no camera
2015-09-12 02:33 <Melanie_T> no avatar
2015-09-12 02:33 <Melanie_T> the scene in between doesnt know about weather for that to happen
2015-09-12 02:33 <dmiles_afk> though probly i want to push those weather things to the server to let the server propogate.. or at least virutally get it to feel that way
2015-09-12 02:33 <dmiles_afk> i have 3 differnt client types unreleated that need to exchange that weather data
2015-09-12 02:34 <Melanie_T> so each of them just needs to be aware of the endpoint spec com.opensim.dmiles.weather
2015-09-12 02:34 <dmiles_afk> ok right the endpoint spec is all thats needed
2015-09-12 02:34 <Melanie_T> that's the poont
2015-09-12 02:35 <Melanie_T> the SERVER DOESN'T NEED TO KNOW
2015-09-12 02:35 <Melanie_T> too much code in opensim core is LL specific
2015-09-12 02:35 <Melanie_T> it ties us up tighter than any corset
2015-09-12 02:35 <dmiles_afk> i do think i might someday want the server to persist the endpoint spec for me.. so maybe add a server module that does that
2015-09-12 02:36 <dmiles_afk> i mean not the spec.. but the data :)
2015-09-12 02:36 <Melanie_T> the main throsy of the current paper is to ensure that the data provided by and required for the simulation is defined by the simulation
2015-09-12 02:36 <Melanie_T> not any one client
2015-09-12 02:36 <Melanie_T> dmiles_afk: you're way off the mark
2015-09-12 02:36 <Melanie_T> the "server" does nothing
2015-09-12 02:36 <Melanie_T> your EC would do that
2015-09-12 02:36 <Melanie_T> if needed
2015-09-12 02:36 <dmiles_afk> so i would have a EC client for exmaple that makes a LL region to?
2015-09-12 02:37 <Melanie_T> not client
2015-09-12 02:37 <Melanie_T> stop thinking small
2015-09-12 02:37 <dmiles_afk> erm EC itself :)
2015-09-12 02:37 <Melanie_T> you'd have a prim EC, a sculpty EC, a mesh EC, an inventory EC, a permissions module, a sun module, a terrain module, etc
2015-09-12 02:37 <Melanie_T> an avatar EC, not to forget
2015-09-12 02:38 <Melanie_T> the so-called presence
2015-09-12 02:38 <Melanie_T> which is just a major type of scene entityt
2015-09-12 02:38 <Melanie_T> and then you have a client that can aggregate all those data endpoints
2015-09-12 02:38 <Melanie_T> and munge them into a protocol the client understands
2015-09-12 02:38 <Melanie_T> that may be a LL cllient
2015-09-12 02:39 <Melanie_T> the concept/code i have prepared allos a smooth migration of each data transfer away from the current IClientAPI event/method approach to data endpoints
2015-09-12 02:39 <dmiles_afk> i see this works out.. the question is if the avatar EC will be able to be contriubuted to be non vetted devs
2015-09-12 02:39 <Melanie_T> the LL client protoco may be the last to be completely off IClientPI
2015-09-12 02:40 <dmiles_afk> or if the new avatar EC will need forked
2015-09-12 02:40 <Melanie_T> as people will only undertake the ork of porting a functionality off the old interface if they themselves need it to be different for their own applications
2015-09-12 02:40 <Melanie_T> you don't need to change the avatar EC
2015-09-12 02:40 <Melanie_T> why would you
2015-09-12 02:41 <Melanie_T> you can inherit it to exted it
2015-09-12 02:41 <Melanie_T> or create additiional ECS
2015-09-12 02:41 <Melanie_T> like a RP EC, that holds stats like health, stamina, etc
2015-09-12 02:41 <Melanie_T> for clients that can understand them
2015-09-12 02:41 <dmiles_afk> Melanie_T: i see (slightly making sur ei asked the delicate questions that Doug's devs will ask)
2015-09-12 02:42 <Melanie_T> the base thing is SceneEntity
2015-09-12 02:42 <Melanie_T> the next level is a ScenePresence (as opposed to SceneObject)
2015-09-12 02:42 <Melanie_T> that scene entity, regardless of whether it's presence or object
2015-09-12 02:42 <Melanie_T> can have ECs
2015-09-12 02:42 <Melanie_T> so a presence can have an avatar EC
2015-09-12 02:42 <Melanie_T> to show an avatar
2015-09-12 02:43 <Melanie_T> but doesn't have to have one
2015-09-12 02:43 <Melanie_T> it could also be made invisible
2015-09-12 02:43 <Melanie_T> e.g. have all preporties of a presence but nothing is visible
2015-09-12 02:43 <Melanie_T> you can inherut and expand/override the avatar EC
2015-09-12 02:43 <Melanie_T> or provide your onw
2015-09-12 02:43 <Melanie_T> own*
2015-09-12 02:44 <MarcusLlewellyn> What happens if a connected client lacks understanding of an EC or extended EC?
2015-09-12 02:44 <dmiles_afk> will opesnim still maintian the IClientPI ?
2015-09-12 02:44 <Melanie_T> the scene will NOT choke on the absence of a "standard" type
2015-09-12 02:44 <Melanie_T> MarcusLlewellyn: it will ignore it
2015-09-12 02:44 <Ubit> ( what is a EC? :) )
2015-09-12 02:44 <Melanie_T> dmiles_afk: no
2015-09-12 02:44 <Melanie_T> Ubit: Entity Component
2015-09-12 02:45 <Melanie_T> dmiles_afk: not in the log run
2015-09-12 02:45 <Ubit> ( ty )
2015-09-12 02:45 <Melanie_T> log*
2015-09-12 02:45 <Melanie_T> long*
2015-09-12 02:45 <Melanie_T> i need to get the next keyboard off the shelf. they only last 6 mos with me
2015-09-12 02:45 <MarcusLlewellyn> Stop spilling schnapps on them. :)
2015-09-12 02:46 <Melanie_T> so i keep  some stick
2015-09-12 02:46 <Melanie_T> stock
2015-09-12 02:46 <Melanie_T> i wound't touch schnapps
2015-09-12 02:46 <Melanie_T> now, a single malt is a different story
2015-09-12 02:46 <Melanie_T> but i wouldn't spill that
2015-09-12 02:46 <dmiles_afk> i think this sweeping server change will be enough to keep forkers to lay off for a little bit
2015-09-12 02:46 <MarcusLlewellyn> It's liquid candy. )
2015-09-12 02:46 <Melanie_T> dmiles_afk, sweeping yet creeping
2015-09-12 02:47 <Melanie_T> my incremental design is meant to allow a smooth, baby steps, functional transition
2015-09-12 02:47 <Melanie_T> at no point will opensim fail to compile or work
2015-09-12 02:47 <dmiles_afk> i have a huge server rewrite i was going to do.. see.. now i can wait until after this :O
2015-09-12 02:47 <Melanie_T> dmiles_afk: instead, tr to see where this is going
2015-09-12 02:47 <Melanie_T> roll with it
2015-09-12 02:48 <Melanie_T> and take part
2015-09-12 02:48 <Melanie_T> i'm going where everyone always wanted to go
2015-09-12 02:48 <Melanie_T> boldly
2015-09-12 02:48 <Melanie_T> :)
2015-09-12 02:48 <dmiles_afk> mainly i want to replace the C# objects with a new type of scripted object
2015-09-12 02:49 <dmiles_afk> wanted*
2015-09-12 02:49 <Melanie_T> which objects and to what end?
2015-09-12 02:49 <dmiles_afk> welo i implmented a MUD server in Prolog... and I am ging to want to have in Prolog memory actualyl host the scene
2015-09-12 02:50 <dmiles_afk> and have the opensim server make it usable by clients
2015-09-12 02:50 <Melanie_T> i can guarantee that anything prolog will be rejected
2015-09-12 02:50 <dmiles_afk> hehe
2015-09-12 02:50 <MarcusLlewellyn> It sounds awesome. The cynic in me is still very conscious of the fact that we have one defacto user client, though. Without clients that leverage the freedom you're offering, I have to wonder how much impact there will really be.
2015-09-12 02:50 <Melanie_T> prolog was once part of opensim but no one was interested
2015-09-12 02:50 <Melanie_T> it was remove
2015-09-12 02:50 <Melanie_T> di don't see it coming back
2015-09-12 02:50 <dmiles_afk> i know .. my team built it :)
2015-09-12 02:51 <dmiles_afk> but it was jsut a toy
2015-09-12 02:51 <Melanie_T> MarcusLlewellyn: this may be evil to say
2015-09-12 02:51 <dmiles_afk> i have a new prolog system that works perfect with opensim now
2015-09-12 02:51 <dmiles_afk> (that doesnt need to be part of core)
2015-09-12 02:51 <dmiles_afk> (that i use)
2015-09-12 02:51 <Melanie_T> MarcusLlewellyn: but there was one person who, every time ideas for other clients were aired, whoudl shoot them down
2015-09-12 02:52 <Melanie_T> MarcusLlewellyn: without providing more than specious proof, they claimed to have done it all before and that it would not work
2015-09-12 02:52 <dmiles_afk> but as far as the changes i'll need in opensim core.. i can probly do via persistences and object delegate subscitopons
2015-09-12 02:52 <MarcusLlewellyn> I see what you're saying, yes.
2015-09-12 02:52 <Melanie_T> MarcusLlewellyn: that one person may have held back alternative client developent like no one else has ever done
2015-09-12 02:53 <Melanie_T> MarcusLlewellyn: with that negative voice gone, creativity may unfold
2015-09-12 02:53 <dmiles_afk> oh good secretly i could remember who that voice was until just now
2015-09-12 02:53 <Melanie_T> dmiles_afk: just letting you know, interest in i will tend towards nil
2015-09-12 02:53 <MarcusLlewellyn> But it's more than that isn't it? Ideas for other clients aren't code. They aren't actual implementations. There've been one person projects taht ave taken stabs at new clients, but they all died unceremoniously.
2015-09-12 02:53 <Melanie_T> but the new EC concept will of course support and allow it
2015-09-12 02:54 <dmiles_afk> Melanie_T: thats what i am hopiong
2015-09-12 02:54 <MarcusLlewellyn> IMO, OpenSim needs a sister project. It needs a client project. I'm not saying core should do it, it's outside core scope. But there needs to be a team for one.
2015-09-12 02:54 <dmiles_afk> Melanie_T: as long as i get all property changes and can edit any property from my EC .. my useacases are convered
2015-09-12 02:55 <Melanie_T> MarcusLlewellyn: If one person, whatever you tell them you'd like to try, tells you they've done it before, yet never show code, only tells you "been there, done that, got the t-shirt and failed at it"
2015-09-12 02:55 <Melanie_T> MarcusLlewellyn: would you try?
2015-09-12 02:55 <Melanie_T> dmiles_afk: your EC needs to be aware of the data endpoints it wants to use
2015-09-12 02:56 <Melanie_T> ECs communicate by accessing their brokers
2015-09-12 02:56 <MarcusLlewellyn> Other people have tried, though, is all I'm saying. A client, a 3D client in particular, is just a huge undertaking. That's my only point. But it's one that's necessary to OpenSim's success.
2015-09-12 02:56 <MarcusLlewellyn> OpenSim without a client is half a project.
2015-09-12 02:56 <Melanie_T> so a hypothetical "cornucopia" EC that will randomly drop gifts into your inventory would get the inventory EC's interfaces from the broker
2015-09-12 02:56 <dmiles_afk> Melanie_T: and all these brokers will export a readable scheme i am sure for each otehr.. so for 3exmaple it can be used in code editors completions
2015-09-12 02:57 <Melanie_T> NULL if inventory isn't defined for the entity
2015-09-12 02:57 <Melanie_T> dmiles_afk: no
2015-09-12 02:57 <Melanie_T> that would be part of a separate non-mandatory specification
2015-09-12 02:58 <Melanie_T> data endpoints are poaque by definition
2015-09-12 02:58 <Melanie_T> if you do not know it by it's name, no means to explore it is given
2015-09-12 02:59 <dmiles_afk> though of curse they will get documented so they can be used evertually
2015-09-12 02:59 <Melanie_T> that is the point
2015-09-12 02:59 <dmiles_afk> though of course they will get documented 
2015-09-12 02:59 <Melanie_T> there is NO intention of allowing ECs or client stacks to discover modules they dont know about at cmpiletime
2015-09-12 03:00 <dmiles_afk> why?
2015-09-12 03:00 <Melanie_T> but there is also NO intention of keeping module interfaces secret
2015-09-12 03:00 <Melanie_T> dmiles_afk because that leads to de facto dependencies where module//EC creators may be hampered in expansion and change by dependent prjects
2015-09-12 03:01 <Melanie_T> the assumption os that no provider of an date endpoint depends on any consumer
2015-09-12 03:01 <Melanie_T> ever
2015-09-12 03:02 <Melanie_T> so if an endpoint is to be used by multiple consumers, the provider needs to integrate versioning (DE are not intrinsically versioned) and need to publish versions and data contens
2015-09-12 03:02 <dmiles_afk> right .. that is fine.. i suppose a project (one for exmaple I was involoved in) we'll end up having about 5 differnt EC state brokers that all understand each other
2015-09-12 03:02 <Melanie_T> consumers need to be adapt, the onus is on them
2015-09-12 03:03 <Melanie_T> you do NOT have any brokers
2015-09-12 03:03 <dmiles_afk> i wont need brokers .. the server will broker right?
2015-09-12 03:03 <Melanie_T> brokers can only exist on scene and scene entity level objects
2015-09-12 03:03 <dmiles_afk> (that was my question earlier)
2015-09-12 03:03 <Melanie_T> never on entities
2015-09-12 03:03 <Melanie_T> entities registr data endpoints with brokers
2015-09-12 03:04 <Melanie_T> and EC can query brokers for data endpoints, so can client stacks
2015-09-12 03:04 <Melanie_T> an EC has the choice to register with either the entitiy's broker or the scene's broker
2015-09-12 03:04 <Melanie_T> not both
2015-09-12 03:05 <Melanie_T> the scene's broker will always supply it's data endpoint instances to ALL clients
2015-09-12 03:05 <Melanie_T> means, those data endpoints are alays BROADCAST
2015-09-12 03:05 <Melanie_T> the entity's broker will supply it's data endpoints to only a requesting entity
2015-09-12 03:05 <Melanie_T> those are UNICAST
2015-09-12 03:05 <dmiles_afk> and the deteails of the scene enpoints as to their namespaces are not .. right?
2015-09-12 03:05 <dmiles_afk> (just the intial endpoint)
2015-09-12 03:06 <Melanie_T> endpoints are class instances
2015-09-12 03:06 <Melanie_T> registering an endpoint with the scene broker makes it broadcast
2015-09-12 03:06 <dmiles_afk> so com.opensim.dmiles.scenes.ReadFromTexT
2015-09-12 03:07 <Melanie_T> there is no signaling to make a module or ec renew/specify a scene endpint
2015-09-12 03:07 <Melanie_T> it is connected as is
2015-09-12 03:07 <dmiles_afk> (my application is i make scenes from novels)
2015-09-12 03:07 <Melanie_T> well
2015-09-12 03:07 <Melanie_T> if you want a single scene that all viewers will see in sync
2015-09-12 03:07 <dmiles_afk> (so my scene must probly map to how the scene systme already presents)
2015-09-12 03:07 <Melanie_T> you'd use broadcast
2015-09-12 03:08 <Melanie_T> if you want every new connection to see their own scene
2015-09-12 03:08 <Melanie_T> like they just opened the book
2015-09-12 03:08 <Melanie_T> use unicast
2015-09-12 03:09 <Melanie_T> and yes this does allow MUD where the final scene requires 10+ players of the same level to be present to unlock the level boss :
2015-09-12 03:09 <Melanie_T> although they reached the level indeendently
2015-09-12 03:09 <dmiles_afk> so for the Linden Clients to see my scene \
2015-09-12 03:10 <dmiles_afk> say those 10 players are using the linden client
2015-09-12 03:10 <Melanie_T> you wold write a client stack that collects all needed interface
2015-09-12 03:10 <Melanie_T> and then sends it
2015-09-12 03:10 <Melanie_T> the system may well create a scene for each player
2015-09-12 03:10 <Melanie_T> until convergence
2015-09-12 03:10 <Melanie_T> in my model scene is extremely lightweight
2015-09-12 03:11 <Melanie_T> and may be shared or sharded
2015-09-12 03:13 <dmiles_afk> my code currely reads text and build regions by rezing prims and such .. but it'll be need to port it to doing the same to host sever scenes or previously loaded scenes from oar files
2015-09-12 03:13 <Melanie_T> ok
2015-09-12 03:14 <Melanie_T> back off
2015-09-12 03:14 <Melanie_T> forget oar
2015-09-12 03:14 <Melanie_T> it will become a legacy format
2015-09-12 03:14 <Melanie_T> able to read but not to write
2015-09-12 03:14 <dmiles_afk> my format is like:    "there is a blue house here."     .. i just mean added to existing scenes
2015-09-12 03:14 <dmiles_afk> i just mean adding to existing scenes
2015-09-12 03:15 <Melanie_T> you're at a ravine in the forest. a brook flows down the ravine. there is a bird here
2015-09-12 03:15 <Melanie_T> :P
2015-09-12 03:15 <dmiles_afk> right.. i take thattext and add it into existing 3d world
2015-09-12 03:16 <Melanie_T> using prolog to break it down
2015-09-12 03:16 <Melanie_T> wheeee. colossal cave 3d
2015-09-12 03:17 <dmiles_afk> currect.. prolog does the parsing and decided how it will be best represented into a 3D world
2015-09-12 03:17 <Melanie_T> then you'd acces a template library
2015-09-12 03:17 <dmiles_afk> some of the code is also in lisp and C#
2015-09-12 03:17 <Melanie_T> like house
2015-09-12 03:17 <Melanie_T> so you take the house
2015-09-12 03:17 <Melanie_T> tint it blue
2015-09-12 03:17 <Melanie_T> and place it
2015-09-12 03:17 <dmiles_afk> right .. yes defiantely i need to have a way of haivng access to the assets i build off ofg
2015-09-12 03:17 <dmiles_afk> (programmatic exploration of the availablity of the templtes)
2015-09-12 03:18 <Melanie_T> well, that is now and still will be a case for a region module
2015-09-12 03:18 <dmiles_afk> (also programmatic exploration the the scene states i am building into)
2015-09-12 03:18 <Melanie_T> region modules can create SceneEntities
2015-09-12 03:18 <Melanie_T> and any ECs they're aware of
2015-09-12 03:18 <Melanie_T> they also may publish ECs
2015-09-12 03:18 <dmiles_afk> ah i thought maybe EC arte the way to add new SceneEntities as well
2015-09-12 03:18 <Melanie_T> or create entities using private ECs
2015-09-12 03:19 <Melanie_T> no
2015-09-12 03:19 <Melanie_T> a region module will always interact with the scene
2015-09-12 03:19 <Melanie_T> it can create and explore entitites
2015-09-12 03:19 <Melanie_T> and in theory also destroy them
2015-09-12 03:19 <Melanie_T> although it's not advised for a module to destroy entitie it didn't create
2015-09-12 03:20 <Melanie_T> it can define the entity to have any number of ECs the scene aleady knows aboout
2015-09-12 03:20 <Melanie_T> it may have previusly added it's ECs to the repo
2015-09-12 03:20 <Melanie_T> or it may add private ECs
2015-09-12 03:20 <Melanie_T> that has it's pitfalls
2015-09-12 03:20 <dmiles_afk> The current regionmodule API suits my needs.. i was thinking a new type of client is evoloving to mannge scenes as well
2015-09-12 03:20 <Melanie_T> because the scene will not be able to copy such objects
2015-09-12 03:21 <dmiles_afk> erm a new type of networked whatnot i meant :)
2015-09-12 03:21 <Melanie_T> this concept would allow you to use a LL based client to serve individualized experiences to different users
2015-09-12 03:21 <Melanie_T> but still allow interaction if you want
2015-09-12 03:22 <Melanie_T> the scope of a nonshared region module is the siimulation
2015-09-12 03:22 <Melanie_T> even ephemeral scenes would cause AddRegion to be alled
2015-09-12 03:22 <Melanie_T> erm
2015-09-12 03:22 <Melanie_T> shared
2015-09-12 03:23 <Melanie_T> so a shared region module can facilitate interaction even between diverse client specific scenes
2015-09-12 03:23 <Melanie_T> or provide, if the scenes are spatially diverse but time-linked
2015-09-12 03:23 <Melanie_T> for instane a narrator....
2015-09-12 03:23 <Melanie_T> options are endless
2015-09-12 03:23 <dmiles_afk> oh but actualyl yes.. i'll probly need to think about having both..  a NovelTextRegionModule  a LindenCLient could use it .. but also a further client might also be used that uses the com.opensim.dmiles.extrasceneeditingtols.
2015-09-12 03:24 <Melanie_T> you're thinking too smal
2015-09-12 03:24 <dmiles_afk> well i am thinking about all the ways to abvoid writting clients :)
2015-09-12 03:24 <Melanie_T> NovelTextRegionModule : INonsharedRegionModule
2015-09-12 03:25 <Melanie_T> NovelClientStackModule : INonsharedRegionModule
2015-09-12 03:25 <Melanie_T> NovelCoordinationModule : ISharedRegionModule
2015-09-12 03:25 <dmiles_afk> (i wills till write a NovelClient .. but will be exatneding an existing viewewr)
2015-09-12 03:25 <Melanie_T> and any number of DataEndpoints
2015-09-12 03:26 <Melanie_T> the NovelClientStackModule drives and existing LL viewer
2015-09-12 03:26 <Melanie_T> but providing experiences by only sending the data for THAT cleint
2015-09-12 03:26 <Melanie_T> DataEndpoints are defined by:
2015-09-12 03:26 <Melanie_T> publis class MyModule
2015-09-12 03:26 <Melanie_T> {
2015-09-12 03:28 <dmiles_afk> NovelCoordinationModule mananges the state changes between  existing shared ISharedRegionModule understanding and the specific NovelTextRegionModule .. it will problyu have a loop that syncs between the regions?
2015-09-12 03:28 <Melanie_T>   public class ThisModuleDataOutEndpoint(this.ParentObject, "com.opensim.dmiles.whatever", new DataContract(DataContract::Push))
2015-09-12 03:28 <Melanie_T> {
2015-09-12 03:28 <Melanie_T>   impl....
2015-09-12 03:28 <Melanie_T> }
2015-09-12 03:29 <Melanie_T> dmiles_afk: yes. needed only if multiuser interaction is desired
2015-09-12 03:29 <Melanie_T> anyway
2015-09-12 03:30 <dmiles_afk> you have been super helpfull.. alivated some of my concerns 
2015-09-12 03:30 <Melanie_T> dataendpoints are typically defines as contained classes because they have access to the container class variables
2015-09-12 03:30 <Melanie_T> your application is one that opensim should be able to do
2015-09-12 03:30 <dmiles_afk> access to the container class variables yes is my earlier question
2015-09-12 03:30 <Melanie_T> whatyou're doing now is the audiobook of the 31st dcentury
2015-09-12 03:31 <dmiles_afk> hehe
2015-09-12 03:31 <Melanie_T> :)
2015-09-12 03:31 <Melanie_T> we're pioneers
2015-09-12 03:31 <Melanie_T> have been for a decade
2015-09-12 03:32 <Melanie_T> i was very ill, threashold of death ill
2015-09-12 03:32 <dmiles_afk> why would we ever work on anyhtingn peopel thought possible?
2015-09-12 03:32 <Melanie_T> but i'm back
2015-09-12 03:32 <dmiles_afk> well acutally everyone knows this is possble but somehow no one gets arround to doing it
2015-09-12 03:36 <dmiles_afk> the other thing is this.. all that i want to do should be possble from scriting
2015-09-12 03:36 <dmiles_afk> should be
2015-09-12 03:36 <Melanie_T> fine
2015-09-12 03:36 <Melanie_T> limit yourself to that
2015-09-12 03:36 <dmiles_afk> right?
2015-09-12 03:37 <dmiles_afk> ( i mean we shouild be able to make region modiles even from scripting?)
2015-09-12 03:37 <dmiles_afk> (given chicken/egg isnt a problem:) )
2015-09-12 03:40 <dmiles_afk> there had probly been discussions about this but I missed them all.. but wanted to understand if this is a divergence between the opensim core group
2015-09-12 03:40 <Melanie_T> you can NOT create a region module from a LSL script
2015-09-12 03:41 <dmiles_afk> i know some people are worried aobut greifers and then some people who have access control to make sure they dont have problematic users
2015-09-12 03:41 <dmiles_afk> we can from //cs   script though?
2015-09-12 03:42 <dmiles_afk> 
ACTION hopes this isnt a hotbutton or landmine based issue :)

2015-09-12 03:43 <Melanie_T> /cs etc are disabled by defalt
2015-09-12 03:43 <Melanie_T> that will not change
2015-09-12 03:43 <dmiles_afk> ok good.. but at least we can enable it
2015-09-12 03:43 <Melanie_T> stupid people being able ti enable that also will not change
2015-09-12 03:44 <dmiles_afk> i bene away for almost 10 years myself so dont know all that has changed
2015-09-12 03:45 <dmiles_afk> my main thing is i dont want to take down a region every time i want to try out new c# code is all
2015-09-12 03:45 <Melanie_T> you will have to
2015-09-12 03:45 <Melanie_T> unless you want to open a seurity barndoor you can never close again
2015-09-12 03:46 <dmiles_afk> i never had a problem with secuirty other than it slows down the debug cycle
2015-09-12 03:46 <dmiles_afk> erm when it slows down the genrate and test :P
2015-09-12 03:49 <Melanie_T> lemmehacku
2015-09-12 03:49 <Melanie_T> you;ll never be the same :P
2015-09-12 03:52 <dmiles_afk> the most expensive military app..  CYC .. no one is willing in 30 years to password protect it
2015-09-12 03:53 <dmiles_afk> it will always give everyone shell access
2015-09-12 03:53 <Melanie_T> lol
2015-09-12 03:54 <dmiles_afk> always be connectable via tenlent or lynx and provide shell access
2015-09-12 03:54 <dmiles_afk> but everyone gripes about it
2015-09-12 03:54 <Melanie_T> well, seeing that i got a personal invite to the 2015 blackhat conference in vagas
2015-09-12 03:54 <Melanie_T> you see where i'm at
2015-09-12 03:55 <dmiles_afk> (the opoionion is CYC (Cycorp) will npt present the false illusion of security)
2015-09-12 03:56 <dmiles_afk> (and if you are installing CYC and afraid of someone havign shell access.. then you need to rethink the saftey of your workflow)
2015-09-12 03:57 <dmiles_afk> (even though its is very unlikely anyone will even be able to get to the shell except the original desiners)
2015-09-12 03:57 <Melanie_T> don't bet on it
2015-09-12 03:58 <dmiles_afk> right .. you can create a process to send email from it.. you can create a process to send you an xterm
2015-09-12 03:59 <Melanie_T> hacking from Germany, with an acoustic coupler, across TymNet to The Source, then onto the nascent ,edu net backbone just to read netnews
2015-09-12 03:59 <Melanie_T> that was me
2015-09-12 03:59 <Melanie_T> in '81
2015-09-12 03:59 <Melanie_T> if there is a shell i WILL find it
2015-09-12 04:00 <dmiles_afk> :)
2015-09-12 04:01 <nebadon> have you seen this Melanie_T > https://github.com/nvbn/thefuck
2015-09-12 04:01 <dmiles_afk> you probly know how you can root a machine runing opensim even with all the defaults
2015-09-12 04:01 <nebadon> lol
2015-09-12 04:01 <Melanie_T> a few months ago i was called upon to set up a website on a noname hoster
2015-09-12 04:01 <dmiles_afk> (i mean onloy becasue it's runing opnesim)
2015-09-12 04:02 <Melanie_T> and it turned out they had tried to lock it down so tight that you couldn't fon typo3 on it
2015-09-12 04:02 <Melanie_T> so, i invested 2 hours to root the box and fix it for them :)
2015-09-12 04:02 <Melanie_T> yes i know thefuck
2015-09-12 04:02 <Melanie_T> who doesn't?
2015-09-12 04:03 <Melanie_T> and no, unless you're stoopid enough to run opensim as root (as 90% are) i can not intrinsically root their boe
2015-09-12 04:03 <Melanie_T> box
2015-09-12 04:03 <Melanie_T> but i can execute arbitrary code on any opensim box
2015-09-12 04:04 <Melanie_T> including rootkit probes
2015-09-12 04:04 <Melanie_T> i just don't 
2015-09-12 04:04 <Melanie_T> these days i whitehat it
2015-09-12 04:04 <dmiles_afk> *nod* and eventually that could lead to beeing abel to root the box that only a local user could do
2015-09-12 04:04 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-09-12 04:04 <Melanie_T> any local rewt sploit can run
2015-09-12 04:05 <Melanie_T> and i have bundles :)
2015-09-12 04:05 <dmiles_afk> dmitteldy it still is hard.. that maybe only less than 1% of the peopel could do it
2015-09-12 04:05 <Melanie_T> but they aren't going anywhere
2015-09-12 04:05 <Melanie_T> dmiles_afk: ios9 isn't out and it's already hacked
2015-09-12 04:06 <Melanie_T> where there is a will, there's a bush^H^H^H^Hwill
2015-09-12 04:06 <dmiles_afk> but limiting the power of CYC or OpenSim isnt an option
2015-09-12 04:06 <Melanie_T> erm. need
2015-09-12 04:06 <Melanie_T> whatever
2015-09-12 04:06 <Melanie_T> i'm ready for bed
2015-09-12 04:06 <Melanie_T> dmiles_afk: yes and no
2015-09-12 04:06 <Melanie_T> opensim is not a security provider
2015-09-12 04:07 <Melanie_T> opensim has a password database and has login security
2015-09-12 04:07 <Melanie_T> that does NOT mean that opensim will seure your system
2015-09-12 04:07 <Melanie_T> it also does NOT mean that opensim will not decrease existing security
2015-09-12 04:07 <Melanie_T> to run opensim, you need to be security aware
2015-09-12 04:08 <Melanie_T> especially, you need to know your firewalls
2015-09-12 04:08 <Melanie_T> chapter and verse
2015-09-12 04:08 <Melanie_T> opensim will NEVER serve the pupose of a firewal
2015-09-12 04:08 <Melanie_T> l
2015-09-12 04:08 <dmiles_afk> my pooint was going to be that //cs  mkaes it very insecure :) 
2015-09-12 04:09 <dmiles_afk> but more/very all just shades of grey
2015-09-12 04:09 <Melanie_T> it does
2015-09-12 04:09 <Melanie_T> and now i'm off to bed
2015-09-12 04:10 <dmiles_afk> night.. thanks for exalping EC and answering my questions
2015-09-12 04:10 <Melanie_T> all further cries will echo off these wall unheard
2015-09-12 04:10 <Melanie_T> NN
2015-09-12 07:28 <kanikelegend> Hi guys...
2015-09-12 07:28 <kanikelegend>  I have one doubt regarding open sim 
2015-09-12 07:29 <kanikelegend>  I am confused between open sim usage and second life 
2015-09-12 07:29 <kanikelegend> Can anyone help me with this 
2015-09-12 07:30 <kanikelegend> I went through the documents but pretty much unclear about this 
2015-09-12 07:30 <kanikelegend> Can anyone please help me 
2015-09-12 07:30 <kanikelegend> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Codebase_overview
2015-09-12 07:31 <kanikelegend> Can we design and use our own viewer 
2015-09-12 07:31 <kanikelegend> Is second life compulsory for open sim grid functionality?
2015-09-12 07:55 <lkalif> kanikelegend: nobody prevents you from writing a viewer
2015-09-12 07:57 <kanikelegend> Hi lkalif hmm... Can you tell me difference between open sim and half life ?
2015-09-12 07:57 <kanikelegend> Sorry second life *
2015-09-12 07:57 <kanikelegend> Is second life necessary for a viewer
2015-09-12 07:58 <lkalif> it's convinient that we can use a viewer originally developed for SL
2015-09-12 08:00 <lkalif> nebadon: you are completely wrong about (c). BSD is a copyright license. libomv has one, radegast has one, inworls has one too
2015-09-12 08:01 <lkalif> BSD is most certanly not a lack of copyright
2015-09-12 08:02 <kanikelegend> lkalif.. .how to connect my viewer to open sim
2015-09-12 08:03 <kanikelegend> My basic question is I want to create a environment for 3d images 
2015-09-12 08:04 <lkalif> Use a viewer like Singularity and use a login url for your grid. But this is really not a development question
2015-09-12 08:05 <kanikelegend> So for this I need to create and define environment in open sim and to connect to this environment which is there in open sim I have to have a viewer
2015-09-12 08:06 <lkalif> yes
2015-09-12 08:08 <kanikelegend> Login URL is an viewer ??
2015-09-12 08:08 <kanikelegend> It's part of viewer right 
2015-09-12 08:25 <kanikelegend> I went through the imprudence viewer it is more like adding avatar to an existing environment...
2015-09-12 08:26 <kanikelegend> This environment is already defined in open sim ?
2015-09-12 08:26 <kanikelegend> The gaming world(environment?
2015-09-12 08:28 <kanikelegend> So if I m doing my own 3d image tool in open sim its part of development to it right ??
2015-09-12 08:38 <kanikelegend> lkalif: then itmeans my main aim to design a viewer ??
2015-09-12 08:59 <lkalif> kanikelegend: this is not the right channel for these questions. try #opensim
2015-09-12 09:01 <kanikelegend> Oh okok
2015-09-12 14:24 <nebadon> lkalif yes it is copyright, it just seems wrong to us (C)
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2015-09-12 19:24 <Melanie_T> diva: ping
2015-09-12 19:38 <MarcusLlewellyn> Just FYI, the BSD three clause license template includes the (c) part. http://opensource.org/licenses/BSD-3-Clause
2015-09-12 19:38 <MarcusLlewellyn> This does not, of course, clear up the other licensing concerns for third party libraries and stuff.
2015-09-12 19:43 <lkalif> nebandon's bias is just showing :P
2015-09-12 19:45 <lkalif> Melanie_T: avination is a hostile fork, not aurora
2015-09-12 20:14 <diva> Melanie_T pong
2015-09-12 20:21 <Melanie_T> diva: we've decided to push to a branch
2015-09-12 20:21 <Melanie_T> we've also decided to include our physics module
2015-09-12 20:22 <diva> cool!
2015-09-12 20:22 <Melanie_T> because the stock ode doesn't do crossings well
2015-09-12 20:22 <diva> great!
2015-09-12 20:22 <Melanie_T> i have some license headers to clean up
2015-09-12 20:22 <Melanie_T> that are still © and proprietary
2015-09-12 20:22 <Melanie_T> and i need to move a module with avn specific script functions out of the tree
2015-09-12 20:22 <diva> looking forward to seeing it coming upstream!
2015-09-12 20:23 <Melanie_T> not that they're secret, but i believe they duplicate existing osfunctions
2015-09-12 20:23 <Melanie_T> like group invite
2015-09-12 20:23 <Melanie_T> it should hit the repo tomorrow or monday
2015-09-12 20:23 <diva> does your ode module do varregions now? -- I assume so
2015-09-12 20:24 <Melanie_T> i would assume so, as the one who fixed core's ode to do varregions also wrote our module entirely :)
2015-09-12 20:24 <Melanie_T> ubit is the name
2015-09-12 20:24 <Melanie_T> in our tree it's called UbitODE
2015-09-12 20:24 <Ubit> i changed to ubODE :)
2015-09-12 20:24 <Melanie_T> re'll rename it to something more genric before the push
2015-09-12 20:24 <Ubit> well changing...
2015-09-12 20:25 <Ubit> ( yeap not much imagination for names.. )
2015-09-12 20:25 <Melanie_T> lol
2015-09-12 20:25 <diva> cool! Looking forward! send it up, we'll help test a bazillion configurations
2015-09-12 20:25 <Melanie_T> it'll break your sims and eat your babies
2015-09-12 20:25 <Melanie_T> it's a rough merge
2015-09-12 20:25 <Melanie_T> so it'll have major issues
2015-09-12 20:25 <Melanie_T> the fixes to them may be easy
2015-09-12 20:26 <Melanie_T> but the amount of testing needed is immense
2015-09-12 20:26 <Melanie_T> and we con't do that with our own resources
2015-09-12 20:26 <diva> yep
2015-09-12 20:26 <Melanie_T> also, i can't say if the merge broke permissions further or fixed them
2015-09-12 20:26 <Melanie_T> i do have a testing regime for the
2015-09-12 20:26 <Melanie_T> but haven't done it yet
2015-09-12 20:27 <Melanie_T> also, most HG unit tests break, although the hg code is there
2015-09-12 20:33 <diva> Melanie_T you know better what works for you from here on, but the way I do my own extensions of opensim is by strictly separating source code. That is, my own modules are placed in their own source tree and use only the opensim dlls. That way I stop myself from going down that slippery slope of fixing core code here and there in my own development... If something needs fixing in core, I 
2015-09-12 20:33 <diva> do it on the opensim source tree and push it upstream. Then compile, produce new dlls and continue with my things
2015-09-12 20:34 <Melanie_T> we made changes to core components early on
2015-09-12 20:34 <Melanie_T> core's entity transfer would never have allowed vehicle crossings
2015-09-12 20:34 <Melanie_T> since we always intended to push to core, that was ok
2015-09-12 20:34 <Melanie_T> then the OSCC freeze, my illness
2015-09-12 20:35 <Melanie_T> just before the OSCC, it was almost ready to push
2015-09-12 20:35 <Melanie_T> but then it was "not now" and the oscc fixes made it diverge
2015-09-12 20:35 <Melanie_T> core changes built on core code in places where our code is significantly different so the new core code didn't fit our code
2015-09-12 20:35 <Melanie_T> i wasn't well enough to do much
2015-09-12 20:36 <Melanie_T> so, SNAFU
2015-09-12 20:36 <diva> I'm just saying from here on. Place a binary wall between core and your own things...
2015-09-12 20:36 <Melanie_T> now ubit and misterblue have been a tremendous help in getting to this point of being ready to push again
2015-09-12 20:37 <Melanie_T> diva: we can't do what we do and not modify opensim code
2015-09-12 20:37 <Melanie_T> the point i'm making is that we didnt get a chance to push it when it was pushable
2015-09-12 20:37 <Melanie_T> the fixes and improvements in core code were never intended to be private
2015-09-12 20:37 <Melanie_T> all the private stuff is in modules
2015-09-12 20:39 <diva> anyway, looking forward to seeing that branch coming up
2015-09-12 20:40 <MarcusLlewellyn> Will the branch have service breaking effects? In other words, could we properly run and test it against OSgrid's services?
2015-09-12 20:40 <Ubit> im running a test region in osg
2015-09-12 20:41 <MarcusLlewellyn> Cool beans.
2015-09-12 20:41 <Melanie_T> the only service change is in core, inventory multifetch
2015-09-12 20:42 <Melanie_T> avn has no service changes
2015-09-12 20:42 <Ubit> but grid code should be more aware of  varregions sizes..
2015-09-12 20:42 <Melanie_T> and we already ported multifetch to it
2015-09-12 20:42 <Melanie_T> Ubit: we get a chance to fix all that in core
2015-09-12 20:42 <Ubit> i added a few changes about that but only for mySQL etc
2015-09-12 20:43 <Ubit> varregions sizes should be considered from grid down 
2015-09-12 20:43 <CmdrCupcake> Erhh does it include whatever changes you guys made to http that caused out of order responses on pipelining-enabled viewers or did you fix that?
2015-09-12 20:46 <Melanie_T> CmdrCupcake: the current code does the same as opensim does
2015-09-12 20:47 <Melanie_T> just close the connection after the first response
2015-09-12 20:47 <Melanie_T> we did try to add proper pipelining support but the http server isn't happy with that
2015-09-12 20:47 <Ubit> fix that ( i hope :p )
2015-09-12 20:47 <Ubit> fixed..
2015-09-12 20:47 <Melanie_T> i have already suggested to pull the http server source code from opesim-libs into opensim proper
2015-09-12 20:48 <Melanie_T> so it can be worked on easier because it needs work
2015-09-12 20:48 <diva> 
ACTION shivers

2015-09-12 20:49 <diva> more source code = bad; less source code = good; binary walls = good
2015-09-12 20:50 <lkalif> functioning software - the best
2015-09-12 20:51 <Ubit> ohhh i can delete more things if u want... 
2015-09-12 20:51 <Ubit> ;)
2015-09-12 20:53 <CmdrCupcake> lkalif: I like your idea the best heh
2015-09-12 20:54 <diva> it's just better to make smaller projects than to work on gigantic ones. In the latter case, it is way too easy to be clumsy and start adding unnecessary dependencies that slowly make the code petrify
2015-09-12 20:55 <diva> and yes, the http project needs a lot of love
2015-09-12 20:56 <lkalif> it's all about doing good design. you can also make it too separate and inflexible
2015-09-12 20:56 <diva> it gets a commit every 18 months or so
2015-09-12 20:56 <Melanie_T> with it being in -libs, lockstep development between it and core proper is not possible
2015-09-12 20:56 <Melanie_T> so i propose moving it into master
2015-09-12 20:56 <Melanie_T> once it's in a static state again it can be moved out again
2015-09-12 20:56 <Melanie_T> but nothing will ever get done while it's in -libs
2015-09-12 20:58 <diva> I don't see why not. Again, it's a matter of habit. At the moment I have 4 different source trees that I work with on a regular basis. (not to mention my other projects that have nothing to do with opensim)
2015-09-12 20:58 <Melanie_T> it's less of an issue to core members
2015-09-12 20:59 <Melanie_T> but contributors wold have to post a patch to the server, wait for it to be accepted, wait for someone to build and commit a new binary, then submit a patch to core
2015-09-12 20:59 <Melanie_T> see where i'm coming from?
2015-09-12 20:59 <Melanie_T> with external contributors, we'd get an update rate of one per week max
2015-09-12 21:00 <Melanie_T> where they may be able to supply patches much quicker if they can patch both parts, the server and the code that uses it, and everyone can immediately test
2015-09-12 21:00 <Melanie_T> most of our users don't know how to build that server dll
2015-09-12 21:00 <CmdrCupcake> Melanie_T: Why not just make it its own repository and use git subrepos :P
2015-09-12 21:01 <diva> we shuld make it easier and more user friendly, but I'm really reluctant in adding it to the opensim source tree. It doesn't feel good. We just need to give that project more love, that's all.
2015-09-12 21:01 <CmdrCupcake> it's cleaner then shoving everything into one giant repo. <.<; 
2015-09-12 21:01 <Melanie_T> i don't see how anyone but a committer can work with that stuff then
2015-09-12 21:02 <Melanie_T> so i'm for moving it in, fixing the issues, and moving it out again
2015-09-12 21:02 <Melanie_T> it still is an independent project in prebuild
2015-09-12 21:02 <Melanie_T> and a dir of it's own
2015-09-12 21:02 <CmdrCupcake> o.o
2015-09-12 21:02 <diva> but that's because most people don't know enough to make meaningful contributions to it
2015-09-12 21:03 <CmdrCupcake> git submodules are very easy to work with 
2015-09-12 21:03 <diva> that wouldn't change if we add it to the opensim source tree
2015-09-12 21:03 <CmdrCupcake> you would just make a patch against the submoduled repository with git format-patch
2015-09-12 21:03 <Melanie_T> CmdrCupcake: yes, you just clone a repo within a nother one
2015-09-12 21:03 <Melanie_T> easi as 3.1415
2015-09-12 21:03 <lkalif> opensim is contribution unfriendly in any case. text file attachments as patches in 2015?
2015-09-12 21:03 <CmdrCupcake> yes but git has specific support to manage all that for you.
2015-09-12 21:04 <Melanie_T> but libs is huge, disaorganized and has no build system
2015-09-12 21:04 <diva> Melanie_T we should fix that
2015-09-12 21:04 <Melanie_T> so we'd have to move the server to forge
2015-09-12 21:04 <Melanie_T> in a project of it's own
2015-09-12 21:04 <CmdrCupcake> Melanie_T: I found something you would like actually
2015-09-12 21:04 <CmdrCupcake> http://phabricator.org/
2015-09-12 21:04 <Melanie_T> then submodules would work well
2015-09-12 21:04 <CmdrCupcake> it avoids that hwole github style forge you dislike.
2015-09-12 21:04 <CmdrCupcake> but still has nice tooling for patch submission.
2015-09-12 21:05 <diva> I've been using gitlab too
2015-09-12 21:05 <Melanie_T> i don't know why you think i dislike the github style
2015-09-12 21:05 <CmdrCupcake> you said you didnt like it for opensim :P
2015-09-12 21:05 <diva> has some issues, but works
2015-09-12 21:05 <Melanie_T> i host forge and i have selected that particular software
2015-09-12 21:05 <Ubit> ( ubODE isn't full compatible with scripts done for normal ODE...  dinamics will be diferent, as they are with bullet )
2015-09-12 21:05 <lkalif> github is disliked here because of paranoia, not features
2015-09-12 21:06 <diva> I don't like github for many reasons, even though I have many projects hosted there
2015-09-12 21:06 <diva> they did that free-maybe thing for academics that I really dislike
2015-09-12 21:06 <diva> that is
2015-09-12 21:06 <Melanie_T> and yes, even i have several there
2015-09-12 21:07 <diva> they said "come on over, free repos for academics!"
2015-09-12 21:07 <CmdrCupcake> bitbucket is better about that.
2015-09-12 21:07 <CmdrCupcake> <.<;
2015-09-12 21:07 <lkalif> diva: you think text file patches is better than github pull requests?
2015-09-12 21:07 <CmdrCupcake> much much better
2015-09-12 21:07 <diva> then 2 years later "oh your time is up! Please pay subscription"
2015-09-12 21:07 <CmdrCupcake> 
ACTION supports bitbucket

2015-09-12 21:07 <diva> lkalif gitlab is better than github
2015-09-12 21:07 <lkalif> lol
2015-09-12 21:07 <CmdrCupcake> gitlab isnt better :p
2015-09-12 21:07 <CmdrCupcake> They're moving more and more into their enterprise paypall version
2015-09-12 21:07 <CmdrCupcake> paywall*
2015-09-12 21:07 <diva> well yeah there's that
2015-09-12 21:08 <CmdrCupcake> so it's becoming another github mess.
2015-09-12 21:08 <lkalif> everybody and their mother uses github and has an account
2015-09-12 21:08 <diva> at least for now they have an open source version that kinda works
2015-09-12 21:08 <diva> lkalif great! I hate crowds
2015-09-12 21:08 <CmdrCupcake> oh
2015-09-12 21:08 <CmdrCupcake> why do you tag every push.
2015-09-12 21:08 <CmdrCupcake> -.-
2015-09-12 21:09 <CmdrCupcake> That plays hell with most git guis
2015-09-12 21:09 <lkalif> if you really want to encourage contributions you go to the placw where the devs are
2015-09-12 21:09 <diva> CmdrCupcake that shold probably be discussed again
2015-09-12 21:09 <Melanie_T> because we got flak from users for not having a sequential numbering
2015-09-12 21:10 <Ubit> 
ACTION goes for a coffe break and hide..

2015-09-12 21:10 <CmdrCupcake> so basically people who like svn. <.<
2015-09-12 21:10 <Melanie_T> not necessarily snv specifically
2015-09-12 21:10 <diva> We shuld probably discuss that decision now that we are so many years into using git
2015-09-12 21:10 <lkalif> I review and accept patches in my browser on github.
2015-09-12 21:10 <Melanie_T> but people who like to be able to say "this came before that"
2015-09-12 21:10 <diva> maybe now ppl don't need it anymore
2015-09-12 21:10 <Jsync> Hello, I am starting a test grid. Is anybody aware of an opensim grid configuration tutorial or resources for administrating an opensim grid?
2015-09-12 21:12 <diva> just what's on the wiki Jsync
2015-09-12 21:14 <Jsync> diva, I found that the Robust server was mentioned on the Configuration page for the opensimulator.org/wiki, though I did not see any specific info about running a grid on that same page.
2015-09-12 21:15 <diva> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/User_Documentation
2015-09-12 21:15 <Melanie_T> Jsync: There is no "10 simple steps to run a major grid" document
2015-09-12 21:15 <diva> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Configuration
2015-09-12 21:15 <Melanie_T> there are several pages that will show you how to build, install and configure robust
2015-09-12 21:15 <diva> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Configuring_Regions
2015-09-12 21:15 <diva> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Configuring_Simulator_Parameters
2015-09-12 21:15 <Melanie_T> and several more pages for the opensim process and how to set it up to use robust ("Grid Mode")
2015-09-12 21:16 <diva> all of these are hanging from here http://opensimulator.org/wiki/User_Documentation
2015-09-12 21:16 <Melanie_T> configuration has evolved a lot and most defaults are sane
2015-09-12 21:16 <diva> but ultimately you will probably find yourself with questions for which documentation is hard to find
2015-09-12 21:17 <diva> in which case your best bet is to go to the #opensim channel and ask for help
2015-09-12 21:18 <Jsync> ok, so this channel is specifically for core code developers or something, diva?
2015-09-12 21:18 <diva> yes, primarily this is development
2015-09-12 21:18 <Melanie_T> contributors and those who want to become contributors
2015-09-12 21:18 <Melanie_T> interested parties at the code level
2015-09-12 21:18 <diva> you may also find helpful people in the #osgrid channel
2015-09-12 21:19 <Jsync> alright, sorry to have misused the channel. Thanks for the help anyway. :)
2015-09-12 21:19 <diva> np
2015-09-12 21:19 <diva> good luck
2015-09-12 21:19 <Melanie_T> this channel is not about setting up and using opensim. it is for fixing and extending it
2015-09-12 21:20 <Jsync> right Melanie_T, like working on bullet physics & things I guess. I thought this channel was for various admins of various levels of developmental projects. :)
2015-09-12 21:20 <Melanie_T> the mai thing is, it is about code
2015-09-12 21:21 <Melanie_T> #opensim is more about installation and configuration
2015-09-12 21:21 <Melanie_T> using opensim
2015-09-12 21:21 <Jsync> There are things I wanted to incorporate into OpenSim, like modules & things to improve experience, though I see my topic discrepancy. Again, apologies. 
2015-09-12 21:21 <Melanie_T> you will find most of us joined there too :)
2015-09-12 21:21 <Melanie_T> Jsync: Once you have your grid set up and develop code, this would be the place
2015-09-12 21:21 <diva> Jsync when/if you get to do source code development you can come back
2015-09-12 21:22 <Melanie_T> you don't need to be a pro to be here. you can be new to all this and ask where classes are to be found, what they do, get explanations for interfaces etc
2015-09-12 21:22 <Jsync> Yeah, I love coding. I just found the project. I am proficient with C++ & others & am wanting to create stackable regions & various other develop notions. :)
2015-09-12 21:22 <Melanie_T> stackable? like vertically?
2015-09-12 21:22 <diva> cool. come back soon
2015-09-12 21:23 <lkalif> never gonna happen :P
2015-09-12 21:23 <MarcusLlewellyn> 
ACTION isn't a contributor. Just a nosy guy with random opinions. He mostly lurks, though. ;)

2015-09-12 21:23 <Jsync> Yeah, vertically. I want space regions
2015-09-12 21:23 <Jsync> Even if they were for an assigned portion of the grid & merely virtually referenced, I want space sims. :D 
2015-09-12 21:24 <lkalif> the viewers are really set in their way. like square regions only
2015-09-12 21:24 <Melanie_T> Madison Cube Garden, lol
2015-09-12 21:25 <Melanie_T> maybe they could be made to like cubic regions only :)
2015-09-12 21:25 <lkalif> i just suggest starting with something requiring less viewer modification
2015-09-12 21:25 <Jsync> lkalif, I have heard that there are viewer issues with some development concepts. I as well had the notion for Custom Mesh Avi Shape Models that could be used for "Edit Appearance > Shape" modifications for different custom species, for an example, & getting those recognized at a custom upload & edit level
2015-09-12 21:26 <lkalif> it's all doable but requires a lot of effort
2015-09-12 21:27 <Jsync> I only noticed these 2 or 3 opensim channels, this dev channel & osgrid channel. Is there a "opensim-ossl" or any other similarly distinct community channels?
2015-09-12 21:28 <MarcusLlewellyn> #opensim is the general channel for random support topics.
2015-09-12 21:29 <lkalif> there a lot of half-finished and missing pieces when running a grid
2015-09-12 21:29 <lkalif> a lot of it is expected to be custom built
2015-09-12 21:30 <lkalif> for the grid i mean
2015-09-12 21:30 <MarcusLlewellyn> Just getting a grid going isn't too difficult. As mentioned before, most of the defaults for it are sane. It's when you start getting into issues of scalability and the custom configuration that requires that you need a deeper understanding of the architecture.
2015-09-12 21:31 <lkalif> and stuff like web login, accounts, maps, etc
2015-09-12 21:31 <MarcusLlewellyn> Read the config files, top to bottom. They are, for better or worse, one of the best sources of documentation, in concert with the wiki.
2015-09-12 21:48 <diva> iirc, there was a thread in the mailing list recently about the tags in git. Someone was still against removing them
2015-09-12 21:50 <diva> I can't find it...
2015-09-12 22:09 <Melanie_T> i'm also no really happy about constantly fielding questions about versions and which is older
2015-09-12 22:10 <diva> I've been noticing that most ppl here use git hashes to refer to specific points in time
2015-09-12 22:10 <diva> the only person who still uses tag numbers is Ai Austin
2015-09-12 22:11 <Melanie_T> people here know git
2015-09-12 22:11 <Melanie_T> users do not
2015-09-12 22:11 <diva> users should stick to releases
2015-09-12 22:11 <diva> my feeling is that if we remove the tags, the adjustment will be minimal
2015-09-12 22:12 <diva> and I say this being a user of tags. D2 uses them. I'd just have to change that
2015-09-12 22:12 <Melanie_T> users don't stick to releases
2015-09-12 22:12 <Melanie_T> when have users ever done what they should?
2015-09-12 22:12 <Melanie_T> there's a new shiny in master
2015-09-12 22:12 <Melanie_T> want to have it need to have it my preciousssssssss
2015-09-12 22:13 <Melanie_T> that's how it works
2015-09-12 22:13 <lkalif> I can make a web page that translets githashes to build numberd
2015-09-12 22:14 <Melanie_T> how does it do that? counting positions int he git log ?
2015-09-12 22:14 <Melanie_T> i think that would be a vable solution
2015-09-12 22:14 <lkalif> git rev-list <hash> | wc -l
2015-09-12 22:14 <diva> +1 <3
2015-09-12 22:14 <Melanie_T> it's a good idea
2015-09-12 22:14 <Melanie_T> people can look it up
2015-09-12 22:14 <diva> tags in every commit is really wasteful
2015-09-12 22:15 <Melanie_T> and everyone who uses git to get the code can easily to that themselves
2015-09-12 22:15 <lkalif> it's what we call build numbers in singularity
2015-09-12 22:15 <Melanie_T> to create the ,version file
2015-09-12 22:15 <Melanie_T> count me in on the side for removal of the tags
2015-09-12 22:16 <Melanie_T> they make git dead slow
2015-09-12 22:16 <lkalif> yes
2015-09-12 22:16 <lkalif> t
2015-09-12 22:16 <diva> lkalif that would be wonderful. What do we need to do?
2015-09-12 22:17 <lkalif> nobody sane has 10s of thoudsand of tags
2015-09-12 22:18 <lkalif> judt egecute that line abovr
2015-09-12 22:18 <Melanie_T> diva: the web page is trivial
2015-09-12 22:18 <Melanie_T> i know exactly how to set it up
2015-09-12 22:18 <Melanie_T> what lkalif said is what the autotagger does
2015-09-12 22:18 <Melanie_T> i'd have to remove the tags manually
2015-09-12 22:18 <Melanie_T> disable the autotagger
2015-09-12 22:19 <Melanie_T> and everyone who wants to have a lightning fast local got install needs to either delete the tags in their clone
2015-09-12 22:19 <Melanie_T> or delete and reclone
2015-09-12 22:19 <diva> ok, let me send a message to -dev to see if there is still any resistance
2015-09-12 22:19 <Melanie_T> and those like me who use the numbers just execute that line in their local copy
2015-09-12 22:20 <Melanie_T> i'm not xure if clones produce the same revs
2015-09-12 22:20 <Melanie_T> but we can make that query against the main repo a web api if needed
2015-09-12 22:20 <lkalif> small drawback,,, numbers can go in parallel in branches
2015-09-12 22:20 <Melanie_T> so people can retrieve the core repo's notion of a revision number
2015-09-12 22:20 <Melanie_T> to generate .version files
2015-09-12 22:20 <Melanie_T> lkalif: what i said
2015-09-12 22:20 <Melanie_T> make it a webapi, too
2015-09-12 22:21 <Melanie_T> so people can get the "autoritative" and comparable number
2015-09-12 22:21 <lkalif> ok
2015-09-12 22:23 <Melanie_T> but getting the tags out of the repo is well worth it
2015-09-12 22:23 <Melanie_T> the extra effort, i mean
2015-09-12 22:24 <diva> message sent. feel free to chirp in
2015-09-12 22:25 <lkalif> see singularity alpha page, second to last build is bb4109f982
2015-09-12 22:26 <lkalif> so I do: git rev-list  bb4109f982 | wc -l
2015-09-12 22:26 <lkalif> gives me 6652
2015-09-12 22:27 <lkalif> so all you need is a web server with git source checked out and like 3 lines of php
2015-09-12 22:30 <Melanie_T> our web server holds the repo
2015-09-12 22:30 <Melanie_T> the main one
2015-09-12 22:30 <Melanie_T> so no problem there
2015-09-12 22:35 <lkalif> so all you do is: $hash = escapeshellarg($_GET['hash']); print system("cd /to/git/dir; git rev-list $hash | wc -l")
2015-09-12 22:36 <Ubit> hmmm sending things to the wc may not work well :p
2015-09-12 22:36 <Ubit> u may need a plumber ;)
2015-09-12 22:36 <lkalif> lol
2015-09-12 22:36 <lkalif> word count, but give me number of lines
2015-09-12 22:37 <Melanie_T> even if the wc is an iPood?
2015-09-12 22:38 <lkalif> even if japanese with 3 shells :P
2015-09-12 22:39 <Melanie_T> https://babbleq8.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/apple-toilet-concept-the-ipottie-tries-its-hand-at-the-royal-flush.jpeg?w=490
2015-09-12 22:39 <lkalif> lol
2015-09-12 22:40 <Ubit> :)
2015-09-12 22:41 <lkalif> actually i have a gitlab instance one could play with
2015-09-12 22:42 <lkalif> https://git.streamgrid.net/radegast-dev/libopenmetaverse
2015-09-12 22:43 <lkalif> last time i tried uploading opensim git it chocked on tags
2015-09-12 22:43 <Melanie_T> lol yes it would
2015-09-12 22:45 <lkalif> i forget nebs mirror on github
2015-09-12 22:45 <MarcusLlewellyn> https://github.com/nebadon2025/opensimulator
2015-09-12 22:46 <lkalif> thanks
2015-09-12 22:46 <lkalif> let me try to import that
2015-09-12 22:50 <Melanie_T> diva: did you do a tag cleanup in the repo already??
2015-09-12 22:51 <Melanie_T> because i can see no tags before 2015-08-17
2015-09-12 22:51 <Melanie_T> and the history should be years
2015-09-12 22:52 <CmdrCupcake> the tags are there o.o
2015-09-12 22:52 <diva> no, I didn't do anything
2015-09-12 22:53 <Melanie_T> someone must have compacted the repo
2015-09-12 22:53 <Melanie_T> moving the tags into the packs
2015-09-12 22:53 <Melanie_T> from being a file per tag
2015-09-12 22:54 <smxy> If you get rid of tags, then how will we know what revision is what? I'm sorry, but hashes do NOT, at a glance, tell the average person what order any build is, in relation to any other build.
2015-09-12 22:54 <smxy> They are not human readable.
2015-09-12 22:55 <Melanie_T> several arguments have been made
2015-09-12 22:56 <Melanie_T> lkalif finally came up with the idea of a web page where the revision can be translated
2015-09-12 22:56 <Melanie_T> i added the concept of a web api where a simple script is able to create a .version file for people who roll their own
2015-09-12 22:56 <Melanie_T> the tags are loading our repo
2015-09-12 22:57 <Melanie_T> making it sow and unmanageable by a lot of software
2015-09-12 22:57 <smxy> So my build would have to depend on someone else's website being up in order to generate my .version file? Bah.
2015-09-12 22:57 <Melanie_T> our website
2015-09-12 22:57 <Melanie_T> not a 3rd party
2015-09-12 22:57 <Melanie_T> and yes
2015-09-12 22:57 <Melanie_T> it would
2015-09-12 22:58 <lkalif> just make a small script
2015-09-12 22:58 <lkalif> no need for a website visit
2015-09-12 22:58 <MarcusLlewellyn> 
ACTION is just gonna go with hashes only, and check history date for age.

2015-09-12 22:58 <Melanie_T> lkalif: that won't work
2015-09-12 22:58 <lkalif> why?
2015-09-12 22:58 <Melanie_T> the local "version" would be different from the remote one
2015-09-12 22:59 <Melanie_T> as people work in the repo, the ref log will have different revs in  a different order
2015-09-12 22:59 <Melanie_T> so they would get a different "version" for the same hash than the master repo has
2015-09-12 22:59 <lkalif> ok
2015-09-12 22:59 <Melanie_T> trying to later compare that or even file a bug report against it would cause confusion
2015-09-12 23:00 <smxy> Whatever it is, it must ensure that everyone building a particular hash would have the same "version number" so we know that my version 5 (for example) is the same build as someone else's version 5.
2015-09-12 23:00 <Melanie_T> because we would see a different hash from the version number than the submitter
2015-09-12 23:00 <Melanie_T> unless he uses our lookup
2015-09-12 23:00 <Melanie_T> smxy: that is why a web service
2015-09-12 23:00 <smxy> So I guess a centralized thing makes sense.
2015-09-12 23:00 <Melanie_T> you can set your build system to curl or wget ot
2015-09-12 23:00 <Melanie_T> it*
2015-09-12 23:00 <smxy> yes
2015-09-12 23:01 <Melanie_T> if we happen to be down, as happens avery few onths for a few hours
2015-09-12 23:01 <Melanie_T> then you just don't build just then
2015-09-12 23:01 <smxy> This will be in place before you remove and stop generating tags?
2015-09-12 23:01 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-09-12 23:01 <smxy> ok
2015-09-12 23:01 <Melanie_T> first we need to hear arguments on the ML again
2015-09-12 23:01 <smxy> and yes, this site doesn't go down all THAT often.
2015-09-12 23:01 <Melanie_T> but i'm pretty sure the result will be to remove version tags
2015-09-12 23:01 <MarcusLlewellyn> And when it does, someone hollers. ;)
2015-09-12 23:01 <Melanie_T> and instead have only release and subrelease tags
2015-09-12 23:02 <smxy> :)
2015-09-12 23:02 <Melanie_T> when it goes down it only stays down until one of the admins sees it
2015-09-12 23:02 <lkalif> https://git.streamgrid.net/lkalif/opensimulator
2015-09-12 23:02 <smxy> BTW, speaking of the mailing lists, where do I go to subscribe a ew address? My mail server is indefinitely dead, so I need to get mail elsewhere for a while.
2015-09-12 23:02 <Melanie_T> and we have admins in several timezones because every core member is one
2015-09-12 23:02 <lkalif> gitlab got much better
2015-09-12 23:02 <lkalif> see it worked
2015-09-12 23:03 <Melanie_T> smxy: mailman is now hosted on opensimulator.org
2015-09-12 23:03 <Melanie_T> the footer of each email should have the address
2015-09-12 23:03 <MarcusLlewellyn> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists
2015-09-12 23:03 <smxy> ty
2015-09-12 23:03 <Melanie_T> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
2015-09-12 23:03 <Melanie_T> for this one
2015-09-12 23:03 <Melanie_T> we used to be at berlios but they shut down
2015-09-12 23:03 <lkalif> quite a nice and uncluttered page https://git.streamgrid.net/lkalif/opensimulator
2015-09-12 23:04 <MarcusLlewellyn> berlios had such a loooong death rattle. It was like watching the worst acted final act of Romeo and Juliet.
2015-09-12 23:04 <lkalif> imported from git directly
2015-09-12 23:04 <lkalif> github*
2015-09-12 23:05 <lkalif> tags and all
2015-09-12 23:06 <MarcusLlewellyn> 
ACTION files an issue there for vertically stacked regions.

2015-09-12 23:06 <lkalif> https://git.streamgrid.net/lkalif/opensimulator/tree/master
2015-09-12 23:06 <lkalif> picture avatars and all
2015-09-12 23:07 <diva> lkalif: gitlab is nice. I like it. I wish all these web-based systems didn't require people to have to create accounts, but hey... that's an uphill battle.
2015-09-12 23:07 <Melanie_T> the repo would retain 71 tags after purging the version tags
2015-09-12 23:07 <diva> down from what Melanie? Like 2000?
2015-09-12 23:09 <lkalif> 15532
2015-09-12 23:09 <Melanie_T> 15732
2015-09-12 23:09 <lkalif> diva: i let other people do the hard work
2015-09-12 23:09 <Melanie_T> i'm loggd into the master repo and pulling this from the source
2015-09-12 23:10 <lkalif> yeah, i copied it here 
2015-09-12 23:10 <lkalif> https://git.streamgrid.net/lkalif/opensimulator/commits/master
2015-09-12 23:10 <lkalif> made a typo
2015-09-12 23:11 <Melanie_T> that is enough times posting that url now
2015-09-12 23:11 <lkalif> lol
2015-09-12 23:11 <Melanie_T> i think everyone who wants to visit it will have done so by now
2015-09-12 23:14 <Ubit> what hell i crash against the only stopped car on 2km region
2015-09-12 23:16 <Melanie_T> lol
2015-09-12 23:45 <jakdaniels> will we get ubODE/UbitODE or 'original'ODE + Ubit's varregion patch in the new branch? I'm guessing most die hard ODE fans would want varregion support as a transition away from megaregions, but would there be any issues with existing scripts and vehicles which assume original ODE dynamics?
2015-09-12 23:45 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-09-12 23:45 <diva> the existing ODE already has varregions support
2015-09-12 23:45 <Melanie_T> stock ODE has limited/no support for vehicle crossings
2015-09-12 23:45 <Melanie_T> and it's not going to be put in on my fime
2015-09-12 23:45 <Melanie_T> dime*
2015-09-12 23:46 <Melanie_T> so maybe someone is willing to code it
2015-09-12 23:46 <Melanie_T> but as far as I see it, original ODE will likely be removed soon
2015-09-12 23:46 <diva> we'll get 2 ODEs. Hopefully we can eliminate one of them at some point after we see the new one
2015-09-12 23:46 <Melanie_T> ubODE's parameter interpretation is almost like SL
2015-09-12 23:46 <Melanie_T> much like bullet
2015-09-12 23:46 <Melanie_T> the old ODE is vastly different
2015-09-12 23:47 <Melanie_T> to it's detriment
2015-09-12 23:47 <Melanie_T> at some point the future must be embraced
2015-09-12 23:47 <Melanie_T> and that means changing all those vehicle scripts
2015-09-12 23:48 <Melanie_T> scripts should be able to interoperate between ubODE and bullet
2015-09-12 23:48 <Melanie_T> mostly anyway
2015-09-12 23:49 <Melanie_T> and many sl scripts can be copypasted
2015-09-12 23:49 <Melanie_T> and will work
2015-09-12 23:49 <jakdaniels> I don't use ODE myself, but I see a lot of users have stuck with it and want their scripts still to work. Could it be left as a optional module (with the varregion support) for those users still coming out of megaregions? ;)
2015-09-12 23:49 <Melanie_T> that will be a temporary condition at best
2015-09-12 23:49 <Melanie_T> after that, the original, incomplete, noncompliant ode may be maintained on the forge
2015-09-12 23:50 <Melanie_T> if any are interested
2015-09-12 23:50 <Melanie_T> but not in core
2015-09-12 23:50 <Melanie_T> the users will have to change their scripts
2015-09-12 23:50 <Melanie_T> you can't halt progress
2015-09-12 23:50 <jakdaniels> will that be by next release?
2015-09-12 23:50 <Melanie_T> in the next release probably nothing will happen
2015-09-12 23:50 <Melanie_T> prudent release management dictates to make one last release from the unmerged code
2015-09-12 23:51 <Melanie_T> the release after will have ubODE and ODE as alternatives
2015-09-12 23:51 <Melanie_T> with ode going away a few releases latr
2015-09-12 23:51 <jakdaniels> sounds like a roadmap :p
2015-09-12 23:54 <diva> oh Melanie_T I just remembered what may have happened to the git tags
2015-09-12 23:54 <diva> I thin orenh did a purge recently
2015-09-12 23:54 <diva> that's what I was trying to remember...
2015-09-12 23:54 <Melanie_T> he did not
2015-09-12 23:54 <nebadon> you are going to cause a major uproar if you change how ODE works
2015-09-12 23:55 <nebadon> just be aware of that
2015-09-12 23:55 <Melanie_T> he caused them to be baked into the packs
2015-09-12 23:55 <diva> I can't find the email thread, but we decided that it was safe to delete the old ones
2015-09-12 23:55 <Melanie_T> making them that much harder to remove
2015-09-12 23:55 <Melanie_T> nebadon: people will have two release cycles to adapt
2015-09-12 23:56 <Melanie_T> dammit, no one should touch that repo but me
2015-09-12 23:56 <Melanie_T> locally anyway
2015-09-12 23:56 <Melanie_T> and remote tag deletion doesn't work the tags are now baked into the packed archives
2015-09-12 23:56 <Melanie_T> it's no longer as easy as deleting files
2015-09-12 23:56 <Melanie_T> it's a real bear of a job now
2015-09-13 01:18 <nebadon> Melanie_T as long as we put that to a vote I am ok with it
2015-09-13 01:18 <nebadon> i suspect though it might be tough to get a majority vote on killing ODE in its current form
2015-09-13 01:26 <diva> nebdon if the second ODE works better than the first, people will want it. If not, then we'll keep it. It would be good to have only one that does all the right things
2015-09-13 01:27 <diva> rather than two each doing a different set of right things
2015-09-13 01:50 <jakdaniels> the biggest issue for users of 'old' ODE seems to be the transition from ODE->Bullet vehicle dynamics. Now there is a path to convert their Megaregion racetracks etc to varregions with with existing ODE.  Don't underestimate how important this is for many users. This saves them from Megaregion death when the code for megaregions gets removed (is that 2 releases too? ;). It's going to take more time for them to convert/or acquire new the 
2015-09-13 01:50 <jakdaniels> vehicle scripts to fix their ODE vehicle simulations, so if both ODE physics types could co-exist for a couple releases it would be good even if one is no longer maintained and has crappy border crossings ;)
2015-09-13 01:53 <smxy> Yeah, I think offering a 'better' ODE is a great idea, but I wouldn't be in any hurry to remove the 'original' ODE. Just let it die a slow death. If the 'better' one really *is* better, people will move to it, over time and it will become easier and less 'traumatice' for the users, to remove the 'original' ODE, down the road.
2015-09-13 01:54 <smxy> traumatic*
2015-09-13 02:21 <jakdaniels> so UbitODE models more like bullet, which is a good step towards having a physics parameters 'standard' (is that an SL 'standard'? ;). Melanie_T: would the new model you're proposing in your upcoming paper allow 'original' ODE' or maybe MOSES.Physx  to be used as physics modules without too much effort?
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2015-09-13 12:12 <H-H-H> anyone around that could help me debug and solve a hg issue?
2015-09-13 16:18 <Ubit> Hi
2015-09-13 16:18 <Ubit> old ODE is needed for scripts compatibility 
2015-09-13 16:19 <Ubit> if some one as a world full with old scrips, and happy with them , then needs old ode
2015-09-13 16:25 <Ubit> and yeap ubODE models more closer to SL .. not necessary like bullet since was done indenpendently.. and actually before bullet
2015-09-13 16:26 <Ubit> some diference is to expect in dinamics btw  ubODE, bullet and SL
2015-09-13 16:29 <Ubit> i did add a few minor improvement on old ode  on borders detection..
2015-09-13 16:30 <Ubit> bc i do think we should keep it for some.. hmm years? :)
2015-09-13 16:37 <Ubit> new things should of course be done targetting either ubode or bullet
2015-09-13 16:38 <Ubit> and the responses diferences btw both can now be easier reduced
2015-09-13 17:33 <Ubit> hmm sculps seem to be diferent on all physics? :)
2015-09-13 17:35 <lkalif> so you had to write another one? :P
2015-09-13 17:36 <Ubit> hmm possible i just forgot to have convex option on them.. don't remember
2015-09-13 17:36 <Ubit> the do colide as prim
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2015-09-13 17:54 <Ubit> but well most times  sculpts should be phatom or  shape type none
2015-09-13 18:06 <Ubit> also meshs.. unless builder did a propor mesh for physics
2015-09-13 18:46 <Ubit> ahh i fake convex making the sculp with low resolution
2015-09-13 18:47 <Melanie_T> earth to ubit……
2015-09-13 18:47 <Melanie_T> we have a problem
2015-09-13 18:48 <Ubit> ?
2015-09-13 18:48 <Melanie_T> we changed the database tables
2015-09-13 18:48 <Melanie_T> but never made Migrations for them because avn doesn't use them
2015-09-13 18:48 <Ubit> yeap i coment that with diva already
2015-09-13 18:48 <Melanie_T> so this merged code will create tables that don't fit the code
2015-09-13 18:48 <Ubit> that migration is a priority
2015-09-13 18:49 <Ubit> but can be done either side
2015-09-13 18:49 <Melanie_T> either side of what?
2015-09-13 18:49 <Ubit> avn  or opensim
2015-09-13 18:49 <Ubit> branchs
2015-09-13 18:49 <Melanie_T> well, no
2015-09-13 18:49 <Melanie_T> it has to be dome before we merge to master
2015-09-13 18:49 <Melanie_T> basically, AVN's new fields need to be added to Migrations
2015-09-13 18:50 <Ubit> yeap ..  just avn dbs already have those...  so well its nicer  merging with them
2015-09-13 18:51 <Ubit> hmm they are what a dozen ?
2015-09-13 18:51 <Melanie_T> I'm leaving the CM api in
2015-09-13 18:52 <Melanie_T> there are only two APIs in it
2015-09-13 18:52 <Melanie_T> that deal with the UserCountry field
2015-09-13 18:52 <Melanie_T> a new field in the DB they don't have
2015-09-13 18:52 <Melanie_T> and which can be filled in using a free ip location database, there are several out there on the web
2015-09-13 18:53 <Melanie_T> because I made thegroup invite API dynamic and put it into the groups module
2015-09-13 18:53 <Melanie_T> so, are you aware of anything that core should not have or not see ?
2015-09-13 18:53 <Melanie_T> or can we take this mess public?
2015-09-13 18:54 <Ubit> the  dbs fields are the most relevant issue i see
2015-09-13 18:54 <Melanie_T> tes but that can be fixed in the open
2015-09-13 18:54 <Ubit> some just fail quietly.. so hard to see
2015-09-13 18:55 <Ubit> others do cry on log :)
2015-09-13 18:55 <Ubit> well its a diff on the mysql  things   yeack..
2015-09-13 18:56 <Ubit> then the other dbs we never looked into.. or i didn't
2015-09-13 18:58 <lkalif> all this sounds scary
2015-09-13 18:58 <Ubit> hm not that much really
2015-09-13 18:58 <Melanie_T> lkalif: it's what we've been dealing with for the past couple of months
2015-09-13 18:58 <Melanie_T> to get even this far
2015-09-13 18:58 <Melanie_T> Ubit: i can publish the avn database schmea
2015-09-13 18:58 <Melanie_T> schema*
2015-09-13 18:59 <Ubit> this are easy to see on our  use of mySQL
2015-09-13 18:59 <Melanie_T> shouldn't be too hard to adapt the Migrations
2015-09-13 18:59 <lkalif> well it's expected after having a divergent fork for years
2015-09-13 18:59 <Melanie_T> all but the user record 
2015-09-13 18:59 <Melanie_T> i can give that out too but most of the extra fields aren't used by robust at all but by our website
2015-09-13 18:59 <Melanie_T> so they should not even be added to opensim core
2015-09-13 18:59 <Ubit> the things that scare me are deaper in code paths etc
2015-09-13 19:00 <lkalif> i just don't like that some things are not maintained at all, like non mysql db support
2015-09-13 19:00 <Melanie_T> well, we'll find issues and fix them for a while yet, i think
2015-09-13 19:00 <Melanie_T> lkalif: most users use mysql so mysql has historically always been the most complete connector
2015-09-13 19:01 <Melanie_T> and since the client code is copy/paste with a few changes between mysql and sqlite, that wasn't a real issue to keep up
2015-09-13 19:01 <Melanie_T> but pgsql is actually different on the sql level
2015-09-13 19:01 <Melanie_T> so it needs to be done by someone using pgsql
2015-09-13 19:02 <Melanie_T> well, ubit
2015-09-13 19:02 <lkalif> i see
2015-09-13 19:02 <Melanie_T> are we ready to spam?
2015-09-13 19:02 <Ubit> think as soon the list of fields and types is visible  guess its easy for a pgsql ppl to fix the migration
2015-09-13 19:02 <Melanie_T> or any last minute fixes you need to get in?
2015-09-13 19:03 <MarcusLlewellyn> (Sings) spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam...
2015-09-13 19:03 <Ubit> yeap.. i filled my car gas tank to run way fast ;)
2015-09-13 19:03 <diva> do it
2015-09-13 19:03 <Melanie_T> lovely spam :)
2015-09-13 19:03 <Ubit> ( hide my  ugly commits historryyyy  lol )
2015-09-13 19:04 <Ubit> the mess i did with the modules naming.. yeakk :)
2015-09-13 19:04 <Melanie_T> ubit, sorry
2015-09-13 19:04 <Ubit> :)
2015-09-13 19:04 <Melanie_T> it is often necessary when fixing merge artefacts that the old commit can be reviewed
2015-09-13 19:04 <Ubit> sure :)
2015-09-13 19:05 <Melanie_T> i promised i would not drop a huge megapatch style file replace dmp
2015-09-13 19:05 <Ubit> i can live witht he shame lol
2015-09-13 19:05 <Ubit> fire it..
2015-09-13 19:06 <Melanie_T> expecting the smap anytime now
2015-09-13 19:06 <Melanie_T> smap*
2015-09-13 19:06 <Melanie_T> spam*
2015-09-13 19:06 <H-H-H> its like waiting for the xmas lights to come on lol
2015-09-13 19:06 <Melanie_T> unless it's too much and cia quits on us
2015-09-13 19:06 <Ubit> well before firing regions, and after it compiling.. fixing the dbs is a must
2015-09-13 19:07 <Melanie_T> we're not going to have Jenkins on it until we merge to core
2015-09-13 19:07 <Melanie_T> to master, I mean
2015-09-13 19:07 <Melanie_T> that push takes forever
2015-09-13 19:07 <Ubit> hmm on a empty region no big worries
2015-09-13 19:07 <Melanie_T> but it's to be expected
2015-09-13 19:07 <Melanie_T> because it generates a tag for each new commit
2015-09-13 19:09 <Ubit> 
ACTION asks his cat to go start the car engine..

2015-09-13 19:09 <lkalif> are you gpoing to kill the r/ tags?
2015-09-13 19:10 <diva> cia died
2015-09-13 19:10 <MarcusLlewellyn> 
ACTION send flowers.

2015-09-13 19:14 <H-H-H> oops :|
2015-09-13 19:17 <Ubit> ( who was cia? ;) )
2015-09-13 19:18 <Melanie_T> the push is still going on
2015-09-13 19:18 <Melanie_T> now it's done
2015-09-13 19:20 <Melanie_T> wow, the new tag list is HUGE
2015-09-13 19:22 <lkalif> are you gpoing to kill the r/ tags?
2015-09-13 19:22 <Melanie_T> commit f24414c063261d279490a73510af413da6d05d7b
2015-09-13 19:22 <Melanie_T> Author: Melanie Thielker <melanie@t-data.com>
2015-09-13 19:22 <Melanie_T> Date:   Sun Sep 13 21:03:38 2015 +0200
2015-09-13 19:22 <Melanie_T>     Remove the last proprietary copyright headers, insert BSD ones.
2015-09-13 19:22 <Melanie_T> commit 672f7468f77e54c49ae39ca7516b9d2acbe08cc7
2015-09-13 19:22 <Melanie_T> Author: UbitUmarov <ajlduarte@sapo.pt>
2015-09-13 19:22 <Melanie_T> Date:   Sun Sep 13 00:05:29 2015 +0100
2015-09-13 19:22 <Melanie_T>     change the names also on the assembyInfo files
2015-09-13 19:22 <Melanie_T> commit 209cb840a2bb948a33b89d28995b4e16067a663f
2015-09-13 19:22 <Melanie_T> Author: UbitUmarov <ajlduarte@sapo.pt>
2015-09-13 19:22 <Melanie_T> Date:   Sat Sep 12 21:56:07 2015 +0100
2015-09-13 19:22 <Melanie_T>     missing file...
2015-09-13 19:22 <Melanie_T> commit caf298cda3d3b45b27fe3dd8d6c0313d46691a71
2015-09-13 19:22 <Melanie_T> Author: UbitUmarov <ajlduarte@sapo.pt>
2015-09-13 19:23 <diva> what's the name of the branch?
2015-09-13 19:23 <Ubit> oops :)
2015-09-13 19:23 <Melanie_T> avintionmerge
2015-09-13 19:24 <Melanie_T> and OMFG
2015-09-13 19:24 <Melanie_T> the git mailer is sending me the WHOLE diff
2015-09-13 19:24 <diva> lol
2015-09-13 19:24 <Ubit> lol
2015-09-13 19:29 <Ubit> Ahhh  for tps to work on OSG   change the maxwearables  
2015-09-13 19:30 <Melanie_T> well
2015-09-13 19:30 <Ubit> until all gets updated...geee
2015-09-13 19:30 <Melanie_T> don't commit that change of course
2015-09-13 19:30 <Melanie_T> it's one of the issues 
2015-09-13 19:30 <Melanie_T> there is no upgrade path
2015-09-13 19:30 <Melanie_T> ubit, why not change the maxwearables in core now?
2015-09-13 19:30 <Melanie_T> i'm sure we can push out an intermediate release
2015-09-13 19:31 <Melanie_T> i think this is maybe even important enough to bump the intrface versionand force-upgrade osgrid
2015-09-13 19:31 <Ubit> well thats core decision not mine :)
2015-09-13 19:31 <Ubit> that code needs to be more dinamic...
2015-09-13 19:39 <Ubit> visualparameters used to have similar issue.. ok now
2015-09-13 19:47 <RazWelles> Hey, to update an SQLite opensim installation, I just copy over with the more recent build right?
2015-09-13 19:47 <nebadon> no copy db to new version
2015-09-13 19:47 <RazWelles> nebadon: ahhh thanks
2015-09-13 19:47 <nebadon> cause if we remove or change files, old things linger
2015-09-13 19:48 <nebadon> you never want to just paste a new binary over old one
2015-09-13 19:48 <RazWelles> Do I just need to copy over the config-include folder, regions folder, and opensim.ini as well?
2015-09-13 19:49 <RazWelles> ... what is the excuses file o_o
2015-09-13 19:49 <nebadon> I would not blindly just copy config-include over either but yes that should work
2015-09-13 19:49 <nebadon> just make sure you watch for ini changes
2015-09-13 19:50 <RazWelles> nebadon: its a personal standalone so cruft doesn't matter too much, its not set up with an external db either
2015-09-13 19:50 <nebadon> like Grid.ini especially
2015-09-13 19:50 <nebadon> those are static and carying over old versions can be bad
2015-09-13 19:50 <RazWelles> I see
2015-09-13 19:51 <RazWelles> I think I'll just copy over regions and the db file then
2015-09-13 19:51 <RazWelles> and go through the opensim.ini again
2015-09-13 19:51 <nebadon> well for standalone it would be the standalone.ini
2015-09-13 19:51 <nebadon> opensim.ini is generally safe
2015-09-13 19:51 <nebadon> to just copy over
2015-09-13 19:51 <nebadon> its the Grid.ini or Standalone.ini you need to be careful with
2015-09-13 19:51 <nebadon> inisde config-include
2015-09-13 19:51 <RazWelles> ahh ok, I just generally need to copy over from .ini.example to .ini
2015-09-13 19:54 <nebadon> ya anything that was .example initially
2015-09-13 19:54 <nebadon> you want to copy over
2015-09-13 19:54 <nebadon> anything that is already an ini out of the box
2015-09-13 19:54 <nebadon> leave alone
2015-09-13 19:55 <RazWelles> huh, I guess copying over the db files didn't work
2015-09-13 19:55 <RazWelles> perhaps I need to run opensim at least once first xD
2015-09-13 19:55 <nebadon> make sure you get *.db
2015-09-13 19:55 <nebadon> not just OpenSim.db
2015-09-13 20:05 <Ubit> in file AvatarWearable.cs mk sure  public static readonly int MAX_WEARABLES = 15;  in line 71 is uncomented
2015-09-13 20:05 <Ubit> and the nex 2 lines are comented...
2015-09-13 20:07 <Ubit> this is not a important change,  but one that breaks  tps, with current core code
2015-09-13 20:07 <Ubit> before adding adding extra ones,  that breaking of teleports needs to be fixed...
2015-09-13 20:11 <RazWelles> nebadon: Got it working- had to run the opensim first-start at least once
2015-09-13 20:11 <RazWelles> Thanks :)
2015-09-13 20:25 <RazWelles> Hm, sorry one more question- I can't seem to get the map images to show?
2015-09-13 20:27 <RazWelles> Looks like my textures didn't survive either
2015-09-13 20:36 <danbanner> raz: standalones use several *.db files
2015-09-13 20:37 <danbanner> if you didnt copy all the *.db you might have things missing
2015-09-13 20:38 <RazWelles> danbanner: I did.. I went and copied over the asset cache and j2k catche and I seem to have textures again
2015-09-13 20:38 <RazWelles> also copied over the map cache
2015-09-13 20:39 <danbanner> so the textures you were missing are only in cache?
2015-09-13 20:39 <RazWelles> No idea
2015-09-13 20:39 <RazWelles> I'm guessing so :\
2015-09-13 20:40 <RazWelles> would using the backup command persist everything?
2015-09-13 20:45 <CmdrCupcake> Melanie_T: I would just like to say, oh god so many commits.
2015-09-13 20:52 <Melanie_T> 2 years worth
2015-09-13 21:06 <diva> did yo push it already Melanie_T?
2015-09-13 21:06 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-09-13 21:06 <Melanie_T> cia crapped out
2015-09-13 21:07 <Melanie_T> but opensim-commits has a HUGE diff :)
2015-09-13 21:07 <Melanie_T> my MUA nearly choked onit
2015-09-13 21:07 <Ubit> :)
2015-09-13 21:07 <nebadon> what is the branch name?
2015-09-13 21:09 <Melanie_T> avinationmerge
2015-09-13 21:09 <diva> geez
2015-09-13 21:12 <lkalif> i thought i'd not live this long :P
2015-09-13 21:15 <nebadon> crashed on me
2015-09-13 21:15 <nebadon> 1 moment for pastebin
2015-09-13 21:16 <diva> same here
2015-09-13 21:17 <nebadon> Melanie_T Ubit > http://pastebin.com/Nr4FQE0S
2015-09-13 21:17 <Ubit> DBS
2015-09-13 21:17 <Ubit>  Could not find specified column in results: block_search
2015-09-13 21:17 <Melanie_T> nebadon: easy
2015-09-13 21:17 <Melanie_T> avination doesn't use Migrations
2015-09-13 21:17 <Melanie_T> so we added fields, but no Migrations for them
2015-09-13 21:18 <Ubit> some fields have guard code ( and only break things) others like this just crash
2015-09-13 21:18 <diva> Ubit: http://pastebin.com/mkNBZvPS
2015-09-13 21:18 <Melanie_T> since we use another system to keep our databases in ine
2015-09-13 21:18 <CmdrCupcake> geeeez
2015-09-13 21:18 <CmdrCupcake> so much random whitespace change
2015-09-13 21:18 <CmdrCupcake> lol
2015-09-13 21:18 <Ubit> 4.Exception: System.TypeLoadException: Method 'CreateMesh' in type 'OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModules.Meshing.ZeroMesher'  ?
2015-09-13 21:18 <nebadon> ok well just reporting in let me know when its fixed :)
2015-09-13 21:19 <Melanie_T> ubit: physics and meshing defaults are not sane
2015-09-13 21:19 <Melanie_T> defaulting to no meshing
2015-09-13 21:20 <diva> Gettig a different exception now, maybe the same as neb: http://pastebin.com/uy08LQCN
2015-09-13 21:21 <Ubit> yeap same missing db field
2015-09-13 21:21 <nebadon> avinations is on a migration vacation?
2015-09-13 21:21 <nebadon> :P
2015-09-13 21:21 <Ubit> the mesh one.. well i never tested zeromesh :)
2015-09-13 21:22 <diva> Ubit I don't know why I got that exception. I deleted all the dlls, and compiled again, and it didn't happen -- just the db one
2015-09-13 21:22 <diva> maybe it was some old dll
2015-09-13 21:22 <Ubit> mb
2015-09-13 21:22 <nebadon> i did fresh clone
2015-09-13 21:22 <diva> I'm getting errors on build in VS, though. Something in CSC complaining that some physics dlls don't exist 
2015-09-13 21:22 <Ubit> well the db is expected as mel did all changes directly 
2015-09-13 21:23 <diva> then I build again and the errors are gone
2015-09-13 21:23 <diva> I suspect it's some odd ordering of project build
2015-09-13 21:24 <Melanie_T> ubit builds with vs
2015-09-13 21:24 <Melanie_T> strange that he didn't see it
2015-09-13 21:24 <Ken_S> I'm compiling with no issues in Windows with VS Express 2013
2015-09-13 21:25 <Ubit> yeap it should compile.... it does for me in 2010 and 2016
2015-09-13 21:25 <Ubit> errr
2015-09-13 21:25 <Ubit> 2015
2015-09-13 21:26 <Ubit> those missing migrations are the main issue now :(
2015-09-13 21:26 <diva> ok, maybe I need to quit and restart VS
2015-09-13 21:26 <Melanie_T> doesn't compile with nant
2015-09-13 21:26 <Melanie_T> missing physics
2015-09-13 21:26 <Ubit> prebuild my need touch for nant ?
2015-09-13 21:27 <Melanie_T> the issues are around ubode
2015-09-13 21:27 <Ubit> compile error?
2015-09-13 21:27 <Melanie_T>                   [csc] /root/opensim-commit/OpenSim/Region/PhysicsModules/ubOde/ODECharacter.cs(37,22): error CS0234: The type or namespace name `PhysicsModules' does not exist in the namespace `OpenSim.Region'. Are you missing an assembly reference?
2015-09-13 21:28 <Melanie_T> hundreds more follow
2015-09-13 21:28 <diva> yeah in csc -- same here
2015-09-13 21:28 <Melanie_T> Ubit: you can fix that in the avn repo
2015-09-13 21:28 <Melanie_T> i can pull your commits there across
2015-09-13 21:28 <Ubit> err that should be ..Module not modules 
2015-09-13 21:29 <Melanie_T> that's almost as neat as pull requests ^^
2015-09-13 21:30 <Ubit> using OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModules.SharedBase; ?
2015-09-13 21:30 <Ubit> sounds nant thing
2015-09-13 21:30 <Ken_S> Windows compile is happy in IDE or with compile.bat
2015-09-13 21:31 <Ubit> ..
2015-09-13 21:32 <Ubit>       <Reference name="OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModules.SharedBase"/>
2015-09-13 21:32 <Ubit>       <Reference name="OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModules.ConvexDecompositionDotNet"/>
2015-09-13 21:32 <Ubit> ...
2015-09-13 21:32 <Ubit> seems ok :(
2015-09-13 21:32 <diva> For the record, and before we all start sounding like nasty people saying that nothing works, I'm really happy that you were finally able to get AVN code to this stage, Melanie_T!
2015-09-13 21:32 <Melanie_T> thanks need to go to ubit and misterblue 
2015-09-13 21:33 <Melanie_T> they shouldered most of the actual workload
2015-09-13 21:33 <nebadon> that said.. waaaaaah stuff is broken.. you suck!
2015-09-13 21:33 <nebadon> lol jk
2015-09-13 21:33 <Ubit> lol
2015-09-13 21:33 <Ubit> diva it also fails compile on yr vs?
2015-09-13 21:33 <diva> well, let me try again
2015-09-13 21:34 <Melanie_T> misterblue did naerly all the work with verregions after ubit and i got it to the point where varregions came in
2015-09-13 21:34 <Melanie_T> and ubit did the last parts - intgrating your changes, diva, almost singlehandedly
2015-09-13 21:34 <Melanie_T> it's been a great team effort
2015-09-13 21:35 <diva> I get this: Error	7	Metadata file 'F:\dev\opensim-core\bin\OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModule.BulletS.dll' could not be found	F:\dev\opensim-core\OpenSim\Region\PhysicsModules\BulletS\Tests\CSC
2015-09-13 21:35 <diva> and this: Error	1	Metadata file 'F:\dev\opensim-core\bin\OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModule.Meshing.dll' could not be found	F:\dev\opensim-core\OpenSim\Region\PhysicsModules\BulletS\CSC
2015-09-13 21:35 <Ubit> odd
2015-09-13 21:35 <diva> I don't know what this is...
2015-09-13 21:36 <Ubit> ok let also try a pull and see
2015-09-13 21:36 <diva> there was an config file for Bullet
2015-09-13 21:36 <diva> it's still there
2015-09-13 21:36 <Ken_S> I did a fresh pull into a new folder and had no issues.
2015-09-13 21:37 <diva> ok, well, ignore me, maybe my environment is not completely clean
2015-09-13 21:37 <diva> when I compile again the errors go away
2015-09-13 21:37 <Ubit> we can't ignore you  diva :)
2015-09-13 21:37 <Ken_S> Its bad when your environment isn't clean :)
2015-09-13 21:38 <Melanie_T> 
ACTION pushes a mop bucket across the neet to diva 

2015-09-13 21:39 <Melanie_T> net*
2015-09-13 21:41 <Melanie_T> nant works now and vs should not need two runs
2015-09-13 21:41 <diva> ok, time to go to the beach. I'll be back later and check how things are. also code a new wifi feature. latrez
2015-09-13 21:41 <Ubit> ok i did a pull,  copied to a clean dir,  runprebuild and   rebuild on vs.. no errors
2015-09-13 21:43 <Ubit> ok  inis from the pull  don't work :)
2015-09-13 21:43 <Ken_S> Yes, still good in windows after last change.
2015-09-13 21:44 <Ubit> well i guess they are not supposed to work without edition
2015-09-13 21:51 <Ubit> ok, pasted in a region.ini from my previus test, a gridcommun.ini   from that...
2015-09-13 21:52 <Ubit> edited opensim.ini    uncomented meshing = ubODEMeshmerizer,   physics = ubODE  and Include-Architecture = "config-include/Grid.ini"
2015-09-13 21:52 <Ubit> ( rest like opensim.ini.example )
2015-09-13 21:53 <Ubit> and region is up at osg
2015-09-13 21:54 <Ubit> ( the db already has the needed fields of course )
2015-09-13 21:55 <Ubit> damm forgot the maxweables again :)
2015-09-13 21:56 <Ubit> [21:05] <Ubit> in file AvatarWearable.cs mk sure  public static readonly int MAX_WEARABLES = 15;  in line 71 is uncomented
2015-09-13 21:56 <Ubit> and the next 2 lines are
2015-09-13 22:00 <Ubit> C:\Avination\testOS\OpenSim\Framework\AvatarWearable.cs
2015-09-13 22:01 <Melanie_T> Ubit: I'd rather have a patch to make old core work with this
2015-09-13 22:01 <Melanie_T> than keep telling people to roll back time
2015-09-13 22:02 <Ubit> for now  we should just use the core max
2015-09-13 22:02 <Melanie_T> no
2015-09-13 22:02 <Melanie_T> i want to do an interface version bump
2015-09-13 22:02 <Melanie_T> we need to go forward not back
2015-09-13 22:02 <Melanie_T> so i need a patch for that
2015-09-13 22:02 <Melanie_T> make core as flexible as we are
2015-09-13 22:02 <Ubit> changing that will break tps to older regions..
2015-09-13 22:02 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-09-13 22:02 <Melanie_T> as i said
2015-09-13 22:03 <Ubit> can be a issue at osg etc
2015-09-13 22:03 <Melanie_T> i will bump the interface version
2015-09-13 22:03 <Melanie_T> that means a forced upgrade
2015-09-13 22:03 <Melanie_T> nebadon: we will have to do this, I hope you're on bard with it
2015-09-13 22:03 <Melanie_T> it's been a log time but this protocol break needs to be resolved, and not by turning back the clock
2015-09-13 22:04 <Ubit> ok i can try to fix the code to me more dinamic on that...
2015-09-13 22:04 <Ubit> ...to be..
2015-09-13 22:04 <Melanie_T> ubit, the interface version is an absolute number known to central services
2015-09-13 22:04 <Melanie_T> if we bmp the interface, next time osgrid updates, the older software will not connect
2015-09-13 22:05 <Ubit> actuall  think it already is on this branch
2015-09-13 22:05 <nebadon> i see nasty red message at Sisyphus from you ubit
2015-09-13 22:05 <Melanie_T> so we need a patch to old core to make it work with an arbitrary number of wearables llike ours does
2015-09-13 22:05 <nebadon> about attachments
2015-09-13 22:05 <Ubit> yeap it was that neb
2015-09-13 22:05 <Melanie_T> then we need to get diva to roll a release
2015-09-13 22:06 <Melanie_T> and osgrid to update it's downloads and services
2015-09-13 22:06 <Ubit> i sent 16 weables neb
2015-09-13 22:06 <Melanie_T> then old region software will no longer work on osgrid
2015-09-13 22:06 <nebadon> that could be really messy
2015-09-13 22:06 <Melanie_T> and we're clear for going forward
2015-09-13 22:06 <nebadon> i really dont have time for much testing at the moment myself
2015-09-13 22:06 <nebadon> wont really be much up to me
2015-09-13 22:06 <Melanie_T> nebadon: no testing,
2015-09-13 22:06 <Melanie_T> we don't expect you to roll a osgrid release from the branch
2015-09-13 22:06 <Melanie_T> that would be madness
2015-09-13 22:07 <nebadon> we have done it 
2015-09-13 22:07 <Melanie_T> i just want ubit to make a patch to core to allow it to interoperate with the new style stuff
2015-09-13 22:07 <nebadon> but ya better not to if we can help it
2015-09-13 22:07 <Ubit> mel think for now we can go with max = 15 and came back to this later
2015-09-13 22:07 <Melanie_T> bump the version
2015-09-13 22:07 <Ubit> it isn't a big funtional diference
2015-09-13 22:07 <nebadon> would be better not to force an upgrade in the middle of this
2015-09-13 22:07 <nebadon> to much to fast
2015-09-13 22:08 <Melanie_T> no
2015-09-13 22:08 <Melanie_T> needs to be now
2015-09-13 22:08 <Melanie_T> the change to the code is minor
2015-09-13 22:08 <Melanie_T> and can even be based on 0.8.1 release
2015-09-13 22:08 <Melanie_T> via post-fixes
2015-09-13 22:09 <Melanie_T> so there is no risk 
2015-09-13 22:09 <Melanie_T> no new code
2015-09-13 22:09 <Melanie_T> but these 3 lines to make the old sims tolerate the new ones
2015-09-13 22:09 <Melanie_T> else we can't get widespread testing going
2015-09-13 22:13 <Melanie_T> nebadon: so, are you on bard with making a OSG release of 0.8.1 with this one change put in?
2015-09-13 22:13 <Melanie_T> so we can get off this broken protocol?
2015-09-13 22:13 <Melanie_T> board*
2015-09-13 22:17 <Ubit>             int count = wearable.Count;
2015-09-13 22:17 <Ubit>             if (count > AvatarWearable.MAX_WEARABLES)
2015-09-13 22:17 <Ubit>                 count = AvatarWearable.MAX_WEARABLES;
2015-09-13 22:17 <Ubit> in C:\Avination\master\careminster\OpenSim\Framework\AvatarAppearance.cs
2015-09-13 22:17 <danbanner> melanie you mean osg 0.8.2 build with those 3 lines?
2015-09-13 22:18 <Ubit> public virtual void SetWearable(int wearableId, AvatarWearable wearable)
2015-09-13 22:18 <nebadon> OSgrid is always on master git
2015-09-13 22:18 <Ubit> should read:
2015-09-13 22:18 <Ubit>             m_wearables[wearableId].Clear();
2015-09-13 22:18 <Ubit>             int count = wearable.Count;
2015-09-13 22:18 <Ubit>             if (count > AvatarWearable.MAX_WEARABLES)
2015-09-13 22:18 <Ubit>                 count = AvatarWearable.MAX_WEARABLES;
2015-09-13 22:18 <Ubit>             for (int i = 0; i < count; i++)
2015-09-13 22:18 <Ubit>                 m_wearables[wearableId].Add(wearable[i].ItemID, wearable[i].AssetID);
2015-09-13 22:18 <Ubit>         }
2015-09-13 22:19 <Ubit> this way tps work
2015-09-13 22:19 <Ubit> ( already on avnmerge branch
2015-09-13 22:20 <Ubit> ( around line 474 )
2015-09-13 22:23 <nebadon> ok so your saying we can it without breakage Ubit?
2015-09-13 22:23 <nebadon> that would be great
2015-09-13 22:24 <Ubit> this change is needed, bf  adding more wearables
2015-09-13 22:24 <Ubit> im trying to mk a patch :)
2015-09-13 22:24 <Ubit> its just that clamp..  good enough
2015-09-13 22:27 <Melanie_T> danbanner: if osg is on 8,8,2, then yes
2015-09-13 22:27 <Melanie_T> those lines plus an interface version bump
2015-09-13 22:28 <danbanner> put that commit in core and i'll update :)
2015-09-13 22:28 <danbanner> and make a new build for the residents
2015-09-13 22:29 <Melanie_T> Ubit: can you please make that a patch
2015-09-13 22:29 <Melanie_T> or tell me the fine name
2015-09-13 22:29 <Melanie_T> i don't want to search for what you already have
2015-09-13 22:29 <Melanie_T> file name*
2015-09-13 22:31 <danbanner> is this it?  <Ubit> in file AvatarWearable.cs
2015-09-13 22:32 <Melanie_T> doing it now
2015-09-13 22:32 <osmantis> Bug #7724:04 make teleports only consider the Max_wearables region is configured to accept 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7724 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-09-13 22:33 <danbanner> ahh there it is
2015-09-13 22:33 <Ubit> think thats it :)
2015-09-13 22:34 <Melanie_T> your mantis has only one of two patches
2015-09-13 22:34 <Melanie_T> but i've already taken it from the paste
2015-09-13 22:34 <Ubit> hmm ?
2015-09-13 22:34 <Ubit> i forgot a line...
2015-09-13 22:34 <Melanie_T> yes, that patch changes only one line
2015-09-13 22:34 <danbanner> ubit: interface bump
2015-09-13 22:34 <Ubit> ahh nopes its ok
2015-09-13 22:34 <danbanner> ahh
2015-09-13 22:34 <Ubit> hmm ??
2015-09-13 22:35 <Ubit> ohh damm
2015-09-13 22:37 <danbanner> okay starting updates
2015-09-13 22:37 <danbanner> Melanie_T robust is fine as is??
2015-09-13 22:37 <Melanie_T> no
2015-09-13 22:37 <Melanie_T> need to update
2015-09-13 22:37 <danbanner> ok
2015-09-13 22:37 <Melanie_T> so it rejects version numbers below 8
2015-09-13 22:38 <Melanie_T> that is kinda the point
2015-09-13 22:38 <Melanie_T> the important one to update is the grid service
2015-09-13 22:38 <Melanie_T> that is what will now reject older regions
2015-09-13 22:38 <danbanner> ok
2015-09-13 22:38 <danbanner> that wont break teleports?
2015-09-13 22:39 <Melanie_T> the new regions will not allow teleporting from or to older ones
2015-09-13 22:39 <osmantis> Bug #7724:04 make teleports only consider the Max_wearables region is configured to accept 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7724 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-13 22:39 <Melanie_T> and everyone who restarts will be forced to upgrade
2015-09-13 22:39 <Ubit> ( just fixed on mantis )
2015-09-13 22:39 <Melanie_T> plazas need to be updated
2015-09-13 22:40 <Melanie_T> and people being unable to go to the plazas will soon upgrade their sims 
2015-09-13 22:40 <danbanner> so basically nobody will be able to get to plazas unless they update?
2015-09-13 22:40 <Melanie_T> correct
2015-09-13 22:40 <danbanner> and all of HGville needs to update
2015-09-13 22:40 <Melanie_T> it's worked in the past
2015-09-13 22:40 <Melanie_T> after about a week, all singificant, alive sims were updated
2015-09-13 22:40 <danbanner> we have alot of HG traffic
2015-09-13 22:40 <Melanie_T> i'm not certain if HG TP needs a version match or has some sort of shim
2015-09-13 22:40 <danbanner> like from 0.8.1.1
2015-09-13 22:41 <danbanner> hmm
2015-09-13 22:41 <Melanie_T> i should push this to the post-fixes
2015-09-13 22:41 <danbanner> ya might be a good idea
2015-09-13 22:41 <danbanner> maybe diva can build a new 0.8.1.2 or whatever version the release is at
2015-09-13 22:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #4326 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-09-13 22:44 <Melanie_T> do we need to consider 0.8?
2015-09-13 22:45 <danbanner> ?
2015-09-13 22:46 <osmantis> Bug #7724:04 make teleports only consider the Max_wearables region is configured to accept 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7724 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-09-13 22:48 <Melanie_T> 0.8.0.4
2015-09-13 22:48 <Melanie_T> or eve older?
2015-09-13 22:48 <Melanie_T> how many are still that ancient, according to your logs?
2015-09-13 22:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4326: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4326/
2015-09-13 22:48 <osjenkins> melanie: Make regions tolerant to newer regions with more werables.
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2015-09-13 23:15 <nebadon> Melanie_T how should things fail after this protocol version change?
2015-09-13 23:15 <nebadon> seems like we can still log in and teleport between new and old versions no problem?
2015-09-13 23:16 <Melanie_T> anyone teleporting from an older region to a newer one will get a message saying their regionis too old
2015-09-13 23:16 <Melanie_T> anyone teleporting from a newer region to an older one will cause it to crash
2015-09-13 23:16 <Melanie_T> any older region trying to start/restart will tell the user that ihe needs to update and fails to register 
2015-09-13 23:17 <Melanie_T> it's not quite clear that will happen on HG TP _to_ and older region
2015-09-13 23:17 <Melanie_T> but HG tp _from_ older regions will succeed
2015-09-13 23:18 <Melanie_T> so people TPing from their older home region to osg will be fine
2015-09-13 23:18 <Melanie_T> but see a message to upgrade
2015-09-13 23:18 <Melanie_T> upon return, their home region will crash
2015-09-13 23:19 <danbanner> well i was able to start an older sim and it didnt complain
2015-09-13 23:19 <danbanner> INITIALIZATION COMPLETE FOR test Plaza - LOGINS ENABLED
2015-09-13 23:19 <danbanner> Region (test Plaza) # sho ver
2015-09-13 23:19 <danbanner> Version: OpenSim 0.8.2.0 Dev        bba7942: 2015-09-05 10:29:18 -0700 (interface version 7)
2015-09-13 23:19 <Melanie_T> then you didn't update robust yet
2015-09-13 23:20 <nebadon> robust is updated
2015-09-13 23:20 <danbanner> osgrid login # sho ver
2015-09-13 23:20 <danbanner> Version: OpenSim 0.8.2.0 Dev        9d1515e (interface version 8)
2015-09-13 23:20 <nebadon> just double checked
2015-09-13 23:20 <nebadon> wait
2015-09-13 23:20 <nebadon> its in post-fixes?
2015-09-13 23:20 <nebadon> wtf
2015-09-13 23:20 <nebadon> we dont run post-fixes
2015-09-13 23:20 <nebadon> sigh
2015-09-13 23:20 <danbanner> no 9d1515e is correcty
2015-09-13 23:21 <danbanner> its in core/post-fixes/etc
2015-09-13 23:21 <nebadon> oh ya its way back in scroll
2015-09-13 23:21 <nebadon> ok so ya its updated then
2015-09-13 23:21 <danbanner> yup
2015-09-13 23:21 <danbanner> no problem with older regions tho
2015-09-13 23:21 <danbanner> which is good i guess
2015-09-13 23:21 <Melanie_T> no it's not
2015-09-13 23:21 <danbanner> hmm
2015-09-13 23:21 <Melanie_T> older regions need to be locked out
2015-09-13 23:21 <Melanie_T> that is the point
2015-09-13 23:22 <nebadon> yea doesnt seem to be the case
2015-09-13 23:23 <danbanner> and i have no trouble teleporting either direction between interface version 7 and 8
2015-09-13 23:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #4327 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-09-13 23:28 <Melanie_T> ok
2015-09-13 23:28 <Melanie_T> there was more hidden there
2015-09-13 23:28 <danbanner> k let me start over
2015-09-13 23:28 <Melanie_T> we seemingly don't use the interface version number anymore but rather a mix of min/max
2015-09-13 23:30 <Plugh> wow. I just did a git pull and there were so many new tags I couldn't scroll back far enough to see what the number was on the first of the new tags.
2015-09-13 23:31 <nebadon> I can still log into old region
2015-09-13 23:31 <lkalif> r/ tags need to die
2015-09-13 23:31 <nebadon> Melanie_T
2015-09-13 23:31 <nebadon> osgrid robust is updated and restarted
2015-09-13 23:31 <Melanie_T> you need to try and restart the old region
2015-09-13 23:31 <Melanie_T> it should refuse
2015-09-13 23:31 <nebadon> ah
2015-09-13 23:31 <danbanner> sec let me try
2015-09-13 23:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4327: SUCCESS in 4 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4327/
2015-09-13 23:31 <osjenkins> melanie: Change the actual versions allowed to connect, which is different from
2015-09-13 23:31 <Melanie_T> old regions that still run aren't locked out
2015-09-13 23:32 <danbanner> ok
2015-09-13 23:32 <nebadon> scripts started, logins enabled
2015-09-13 23:32 <nebadon> let me try
2015-09-13 23:32 <danbanner> i was able to start an old one let me see if it got deregistered
2015-09-13 23:32 <Melanie_T> it should say "failed to register with grd"
2015-09-13 23:33 <nebadon> logging in as well
2015-09-13 23:33 <nebadon> this doesnt work to good :)
2015-09-13 23:33 <Melanie_T> point is
2015-09-13 23:33 <Melanie_T> against a robust built from this
2015-09-13 23:33 <Melanie_T> older regions should not register
2015-09-13 23:33 <Melanie_T> and fail to start
2015-09-13 23:34 <nebadon> yea thats not happening
2015-09-13 23:34 <lkalif> you got robust built?
2015-09-13 23:34 <nebadon> yes
2015-09-13 23:34 <danbanner> wouldnt we need to change the SIMULATION/0.3 in the [SimulationService] section?
2015-09-13 23:34 <nebadon> show version says right versioning
2015-09-13 23:34 <Melanie_T>             // Check the protocol version
2015-09-13 23:34 <Melanie_T>             if ((versionNumberMin > ProtocolVersions.ServerProtocolVersionMax && versionNumberMax < ProtocolVersions.ServerProtocolVersionMax))
2015-09-13 23:34 <Melanie_T>             {
2015-09-13 23:34 <Melanie_T>                 // Can't do, there is no overlap in the acceptable ranges
2015-09-13 23:34 <Melanie_T>                 return FailureResult();
2015-09-13 23:34 <Melanie_T>             }
2015-09-13 23:35 <Melanie_T> this is supposed to kick the region out
2015-09-13 23:35 <nebadon> i cant even remember last time we used this
2015-09-13 23:35 <nebadon> its been years in the 4-5 year range
2015-09-13 23:35 <Melanie_T> this is a new mechanism
2015-09-13 23:35 <Melanie_T> 
ACTION blames diva

2015-09-13 23:36 <Melanie_T> git blame -L160,160 ./OpenSim/Server/Handlers/Grid/GridServerPostHandler.cs
2015-09-13 23:36 <Melanie_T> 9bdb585a (Diva Canto 2009-09-28 10:56:05 -0700 160)
2015-09-13 23:37 <nebadon> heh ya 2009
2015-09-13 23:37 <nebadon> sounds about right
2015-09-13 23:37 <Plugh> How far back do I scroll in git log to start reading about all the new goodness from the avn dump?
2015-09-13 23:37 <Melanie_T> Plugh: 2 years
2015-09-13 23:37 <nebadon> haha
2015-09-13 23:37 <Plugh> oh, wow.
2015-09-13 23:37 <Plugh> There are a lot of fixes in the dump for var support?
2015-09-13 23:38 <Melanie_T> all avn commits of the past 2 years have been inserted into where they would have been
2015-09-13 23:38 <danbanner> cant we change the SIMULATION/0.3 in the [SimulationService] section? i think thats how diva forced an update so vars wouldnt crash people
2015-09-13 23:38 <Melanie_T> well, that's an ini value
2015-09-13 23:38 <nebadon> I cant really remember how this forced upgraded thing works
2015-09-13 23:38 <Melanie_T> people will have overridden it
2015-09-13 23:38 <danbanner> ya and it worked well
2015-09-13 23:38 <Melanie_T> there is this in-code mechanism
2015-09-13 23:38 <Plugh> This new branch will become 0.8.2?
2015-09-13 23:39 <Melanie_T> maybe we should wait until diva is done getting toasted
2015-09-13 23:39 <Melanie_T> and back from the beach
2015-09-13 23:39 <danbanner> editing the ini would just make you crash/fail teleports?
2015-09-13 23:39 <nebadon> ya that is fine Melanie_T
2015-09-13 23:39 <nebadon> i need to keep building this model anyway
2015-09-13 23:39 <nebadon> must get to a certain point tonight
2015-09-13 23:39 <Ken_S> Has the new db migration code been added yet?
2015-09-13 23:40 <Melanie_T> no
2015-09-13 23:41 <nebadon> if it doesnt happen soon though Melanie_T its probably going to have to wait until tomorrow
2015-09-13 23:41 <Melanie_T> let's ee what time she gets back
2015-09-13 23:42 <Plugh> I don't suppose there is anything much I can do to help at this point other than see if I can build the avn merge branch?
2015-09-13 23:42 <Melanie_T> Plugh: built it , run it, fix bugs....
2015-09-13 23:42 <Melanie_T> just don't remove code seemingly not in use
2015-09-13 23:42 <Melanie_T> always ask me first
2015-09-13 23:42 <Melanie_T> we have more stuff, modules
2015-09-13 23:42 <Melanie_T> that needs this code and may yet see the light of day
2015-09-13 23:43 <nebadon> ok food time bbiab
2015-09-13 23:43 <Plugh> I couldn't even make a one line change without it getting shot down. I'm not about to make any other changes unless they are fixing typos or something at this point. :)
2015-09-13 23:52 <Plugh> Um...?? ok, its been a few days since I last built OS. No Makefile in the avn merge branch?
2015-09-13 23:52 <Plugh> Guess I'll have to use xbuild. :)
2015-09-13 23:53 <Plugh> Crap. I'm trying to build it with a custom module still sitting in the source tree.
2015-09-13 23:53 <Ubit> some versions of xbuild don't like the ','  on ODE.something
2015-09-13 23:53 <Ken_S> Pull and build in a new clean folder or you will may get errors.
2015-09-13 23:53 <Plugh> Who gets to create the release notes for all these changes?  
2015-09-13 23:54 <Ubit> oops /me hides
2015-09-13 23:54 <Plugh> yea, I need to do that as I have to remove a custom module first.
2015-09-13 23:54 <lkalif> Ubit, Melanie_T: give data migration the biggest prioity so this can be really tested
2015-09-13 23:55 <Ubit> hope diva or someone will do it :)
2015-09-13 23:55 <Ubit> but it is a priority yes
2015-09-13 23:56 <lkalif> you can't dump that on diva
2015-09-13 23:56 <Ubit> let her say that :p
2015-09-13 23:56 <lkalif> she doesn't know avination code
2015-09-13 23:56 <lkalif> i'm telling you now so you don't have to waste time
2015-09-13 23:57 <Plugh> Is there a particular commit, or date, to use as the start of any effort to summarize the changes?
2015-09-13 23:57 <lkalif> git log master...avimerge
2015-09-14 00:00 <lkalif> erm
2015-09-14 00:00 <lkalif> git log master...avinationmerge
2015-09-14 00:02 <Ubit> hmmm is there a away in mysql to compare 2 dbs structures?
2015-09-14 00:02 <Plugh> bah! I don't remember how to tell xbuild to clean my source tree.
2015-09-14 00:02 <Ubit> rm -fr /* ?
2015-09-14 00:02 <Ubit> :p
2015-09-14 00:02 <Plugh> hehe
2015-09-14 00:02 <Ubit> ( dont test it !! )
2015-09-14 00:03 <lkalif> Ubit: not directly, you can dump table schema and diff it
2015-09-14 00:03 <H-H-H> am i being stupid or am i just blind because i cant find the branch avinationmerge
2015-09-14 00:03 <lkalif> Plugh: git clean -dxf
2015-09-14 00:04 <lkalif> H-H-H: did you git fetch origin
2015-09-14 00:04 <H-H-H> no just pulled :
2015-09-14 00:04 <Plugh> ok, ty. I also had to do a git reset --hard to get rid of a few files.
2015-09-14 00:05 <lkalif> its > 5000 commts
2015-09-14 00:05 <Plugh> Um... wow!
2015-09-14 00:06 <Plugh> yea, I just pulled then created and checked out the new branch.
2015-09-14 00:06 <H-H-H> ok i guess i might nee to re clone 
2015-09-14 00:08 <Plugh> hmm... Is that an average of a bit more than 20 commits a month over 2 years?
2015-09-14 00:08 <Plugh> um... wow. no, I was way off. Just a hair over 104/month. 
2015-09-14 00:10 <Plugh> The code compiled. That's a start.
2015-09-14 00:12 <Plugh> FWIW, I can do some tests involving SA usage. osgrid will help test HG, some others will be testing standard grid configuration.
2015-09-14 00:13 <Plugh> hm... if there are a lot of DB changes I'll need to set up a new set of databases to test the merge.
2015-09-14 00:13 <lkalif> actual list of commits
2015-09-14 00:13 <lkalif> https://gist.githubusercontent.com/lkalif/544ba3685dca6b67a83e/raw/0270ce27bba9dab85d3dd7971fefc8de94bbdcf8/avinationmerge.txt
2015-09-14 00:14 <Plugh> ty, lkalif
2015-09-14 00:15 <Plugh> Wow, 5029 entries.
2015-09-14 00:15 <Plugh> First thing is strip out the entries that just say "Merge branch".
2015-09-14 00:17 <Plugh> wow. That drops it to 3,273 entries.
2015-09-14 00:20 <Melanie_T> well, it was a lot of time
2015-09-14 00:22 <Plugh> yea, the first entry in the list lkalif posted goes back to January of 2010.
2015-09-14 00:25 <H-H-H> building now from a fresh clone
2015-09-14 00:26 <Melanie_T> i need to make one thing abundantly clear
2015-09-14 00:26 <Melanie_T> any code that may or may not be in the history
2015-09-14 00:26 <Melanie_T> if it is not in the final result as of today
2015-09-14 00:26 <Melanie_T> is NOT relicensed to BSD
2015-09-14 00:27 <Melanie_T> going back and picking up code from the history that has since been removed is against the law
2015-09-14 00:27 <lkalif> lol
2015-09-14 00:28 <Melanie_T> the files for which this is true would have, in the releases where they existed, a proprietary header
2015-09-14 00:28 <lkalif> turn down the paranoia
2015-09-14 00:28 <Melanie_T> that license governs
2015-09-14 00:28 <Melanie_T> it would have been another few months to find and remove all those cases so i didn't bother
2015-09-14 00:29 <Melanie_T> lkalif: protecting one's business assets is not paranoia
2015-09-14 00:29 <Melanie_T> every company does it
2015-09-14 00:29 <lkalif> no
2015-09-14 00:29 <Plugh> The cases could be found with a simple code search. Changing things that might have used that code may not be so easy to handle.
2015-09-14 00:30 <Melanie_T> well, it's easy
2015-09-14 00:30 <Melanie_T> today's dump is all BSD
2015-09-14 00:30 <lkalif> many copanies decide to do stuff opensource
2015-09-14 00:30 <Melanie_T> any code that is in today's dump, regardless of whether or not it used proprietary code or not, is now bsd
2015-09-14 00:30 <lkalif> and they don't do this regret trip after
2015-09-14 00:30 <Melanie_T> any remnants of the proprietary code are also now bsd, to the extent they still exist in today's dump
2015-09-14 00:32 <Melanie_T> lkalif: you may not believe in legal clarification, I do. not yours to argue.
2015-09-14 00:32 <Plugh> IANAL so my eyes glaze over if I try to read any of the many licences governing code.
2015-09-14 00:32 <lkalif> Melanie_T: sue me if i disagree lol
2015-09-14 00:32 <Melanie_T> Plugh: it's our intention to give as much as we can
2015-09-14 00:32 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-09-14 00:32 <lkalif> and we'll see whose is ir
2015-09-14 00:32 <Melanie_T> there has in the past been code by people who did not agree to let us relicense their code
2015-09-14 00:32 <Melanie_T> these people's code has been removed
2015-09-14 00:32 <Plugh> The code builds with the add on ossearch and osprofile modules.
2015-09-14 00:33 <Melanie_T> either straight up, or it's been superseded
2015-09-14 00:33 <Melanie_T> it remains in the history, for historical purposes
2015-09-14 00:33 <Melanie_T> most of it will probably not work if brought forward
2015-09-14 00:33 <Melanie_T> but to guard these 3rd parties rights, this legalese is required
2015-09-14 00:34 <Melanie_T> Plugh: yes 3d hosting has always offered osgrid regions
2015-09-14 00:34 <Melanie_T> so we ensured the opensim addons work with it
2015-09-14 00:35 <Melanie_T> however, because of changes to core profiles in the past months, there may be duplication between the module and core
2015-09-14 00:35 <Plugh> ok.
2015-09-14 00:35 <Melanie_T> also, ossearch may return multiple "no found" style packets for a single search
2015-09-14 00:35 <Melanie_T> because the core stubs and ossearch both answer
2015-09-14 00:35 <Melanie_T> but with avination now heading to be equal to core
2015-09-14 00:35 <Plugh> One of these days I may check on compatability between the core and add on versions of search and profile to see how they are the same or different.
2015-09-14 00:35 <Melanie_T> we can fix these inconsistencoes in the degree avn and core implement stubs for extra protocols
2015-09-14 00:36 <Plugh> I used to see duplicate results at one time but I think that was dealt with at one point. Might have just been a config change.
2015-09-14 00:36 <Melanie_T> no
2015-09-14 00:37 <Melanie_T> there is an actual issue
2015-09-14 00:37 <Melanie_T> map search is one
2015-09-14 00:37 <Melanie_T> you may get two or three modal "not found" dialogs
2015-09-14 00:37 <Melanie_T> avatar picers may display duplicate results
2015-09-14 00:37 <Melanie_T> search people may as well
2015-09-14 00:37 <Melanie_T> nothing that can't be fixed
2015-09-14 00:37 <Plugh> BTW, I copied over the Makefile from master and use it to build with nant and its working fine.
2015-09-14 00:37 <Melanie_T> it's just that we held avination's code  base on an earlier version of these interfaces
2015-09-14 00:38 <Melanie_T> because our modules use it
2015-09-14 00:38 <Melanie_T> this merge means all bets are off
2015-09-14 00:38 <Melanie_T> it needs a lot of testing
2015-09-14 00:38 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-09-14 00:38 <Melanie_T> why do you need the makefile?
2015-09-14 00:38 <Melanie_T> it serves no purpose
2015-09-14 00:38 <Plugh> My fingers are used to typing 'make' to build code. :)
2015-09-14 00:38 <lkalif> nant uses it
2015-09-14 00:38 <Melanie_T> you should build this merge with
2015-09-14 00:39 <Melanie_T> sh runprebuild.sh ; nant -t:mono-4.0 | grep error
2015-09-14 00:39 <Melanie_T> or similar
2015-09-14 00:39 <Melanie_T> nope
2015-09-14 00:39 <Melanie_T> the makefile uses nant
2015-09-14 00:39 <Melanie_T> nant doesn't need the makefile
2015-09-14 00:39 <Melanie_T> it's superfluous
2015-09-14 00:39 <Melanie_T> so we removed it a long time ago
2015-09-14 00:39 <Plugh> The Makefile is still in master.
2015-09-14 00:39 <Plugh> It runs prebuild then nant.
2015-09-14 00:39 <lkalif> in anycase only supported method from now on is xbuild
2015-09-14 00:39 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-09-14 00:40 <lkalif> Plugh: don't be lazy
2015-09-14 00:40 <Plugh> Just passing along that it still builds with nant, fwiw
2015-09-14 00:40 <Plugh> lkalif: Isn't that what all programmers strive for? Ways to save energy? ;)
2015-09-14 00:40 <lkalif> saving energy of development
2015-09-14 00:41 <Plugh> hm... I have a custom module that doesn't build in the avn merge branch.
2015-09-14 00:41 <Melanie_T> nant is supported afaik
2015-09-14 00:41 <Melanie_T> i hate xbuild
2015-09-14 00:41 <Melanie_T> it does too much
2015-09-14 00:41 <Melanie_T> all i want is the straight tool output. no collating, filtering, etc
2015-09-14 00:41 <lkalif> nant does't do anything
2015-09-14 00:41 <Plugh> I also tend to use make as I can tell it to use more cores when I build.
2015-09-14 00:41 <Melanie_T> nant runs the tools
2015-09-14 00:42 <Melanie_T> and gives me the straight dope
2015-09-14 00:42 <lkalif> and msbuild is now fully opensourcce
2015-09-14 00:42 <H-H-H> plug iirc the makefile would be removed from the avinationmerge branch not master
2015-09-14 00:42 <Melanie_T> i can't use a tool that assumes it knows which part of an error message i want to see and tries to continue building in the face of an error
2015-09-14 00:42 <Melanie_T> nant does what i want
2015-09-14 00:42 <Melanie_T> build until there is an error
2015-09-14 00:42 <Melanie_T> give me the raw output of the tool
2015-09-14 00:42 <Melanie_T> and stop
2015-09-14 00:43 <Melanie_T> opensim supports nant. not only xbuild
2015-09-14 00:43 <Plugh> Has there been any other changes that affect things for modules?
2015-09-14 00:43 <lkalif> well you also code with magnetied needle on a mgnetic tape
2015-09-14 00:43 <Plugh> interface stuff
2015-09-14 00:43 <Melanie_T> Plugh: not that i'm aware of
2015-09-14 00:44 <Plugh> ok. It says my module doesn't implement an interface member but my module built ok in master. 
2015-09-14 00:44 <Plugh> I'll track down the interface files and compare them.
2015-09-14 00:45 <Melanie_T> what interface member
2015-09-14 00:46 <Plugh> OpenSim.Framework.IMoneyModule.ObjectGiveMoney(OpenMetaverse.UUID, OpenMetaverse.UUID, OpenMetaverse.UUID, int, OpenMetaverse.UUID, out string)
2015-09-14 00:46 <Melanie_T> oh
2015-09-14 00:47 <Melanie_T> on money, all bets are off
2015-09-14 00:47 <Plugh> yea, np.
2015-09-14 00:47 <Melanie_T> you need to edit your module
2015-09-14 00:47 <Melanie_T> the last one was added
2015-09-14 00:47 <Melanie_T> out string
2015-09-14 00:47 <Melanie_T> it's needed to support llTransferLindenDollars properly
2015-09-14 00:48 <Melanie_T> because the 8 chars you see in the LL transactio history
2015-09-14 00:48 <Melanie_T> are the first 8 chars of a UUID
2015-09-14 00:48 <Plugh> Do you happen to rmember what sort of thing is passed there?
2015-09-14 00:48 <lkalif> Plugh: oscurrency?
2015-09-14 00:48 <Plugh> ah, ok.
2015-09-14 00:48 <Melanie_T> which is the UUID of that transaction in the global ledger
2015-09-14 00:48 <Plugh> lkalif: sorry, no. Proprietary money module.
2015-09-14 00:49 <Melanie_T> since vn is a commercial grid, high performance money handling has been a staple of development
2015-09-14 00:49 <Melanie_T> so that interface which was never declared stable in any way, has evolved lots
2015-09-14 00:49 <Melanie_T> but it's all goodness
2015-09-14 00:50 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-09-14 00:50 <Plugh> It didn't really surprise me for the compile to break on a money related module.
2015-09-14 00:50 <lkalif> not having a money module in core is a big mistake for this reason
2015-09-14 00:51 <Plugh> lkalif: It avoids a lot of legal liabilities that way.
2015-09-14 00:51 <lkalif> nonsense
2015-09-14 00:51 <Melanie_T> lkalif doesn't believe in lawsuits
2015-09-14 00:51 <Melanie_T> they happen regardless
2015-09-14 00:51 <Plugh> If you provide code to handle money and some bug means money goes missing who is going to possibly gets sued over the matter?
2015-09-14 00:51 <lkalif> demo money module with nó external exchanges is just game points
2015-09-14 00:52 <Plugh> yea, I suppose that would be true enough.
2015-09-14 00:52 <lkalif> Plugh: i'm talking about money module not interfaces to outside world
2015-09-14 00:52 <Melanie_T> lkalif: point is, people can and will use external code on their websites to link to and from real money at some point
2015-09-14 00:52 <Melanie_T> then the above applies
2015-09-14 00:52 <Melanie_T> regardless of disclaimers
2015-09-14 00:52 <H-H-H> im guessing this is the already known about mysql error ? incase it matters this is in grid mode with everything on one machine using 127.0.0.1
2015-09-14 00:52 <H-H-H> http://pastebin.com/DkJnYfHe
2015-09-14 00:53 <lkalif> Melanie_T: bullshit as always
2015-09-14 00:53 <Melanie_T> H-H-H: avination doesn' use Migrations
2015-09-14 00:53 <Melanie_T> so it doesn't prepare a complete database
2015-09-14 00:53 <Melanie_T> this is being worked on
2015-09-14 00:53 <H-H-H> yes thats what i was asking if that was the already known error :)
2015-09-14 00:54 <Plugh> There is a point there. In world "currency" has no more meaning than monopoly money does. It is only when you have the ability to convert between it and real-world currency that it takes on any significance.
2015-09-14 00:54 <lkalif> exactæy
2015-09-14 00:55 <Melanie_T> lkalif: you consider any corporate legal prudence "bullshit". but no company can afford to listen to you. 
2015-09-14 00:55 <lkalif> this is just some anti-competition bs Melanie_T is trying to sell
2015-09-14 00:55 <lkalif> Melanie_T: i don't buy it
2015-09-14 00:56 <lkalif> you want to break evertbody's elses module
2015-09-14 00:56 <Melanie_T> Plugh: a "play money module" would be connected by people who use it with a website allowing real money to come in. then the issue arises, if real money is lost in the play money module
2015-09-14 00:56 <lkalif> not to protect legal stuff
2015-09-14 00:56 <Melanie_T> lkalif: as a matter of record I have fices various money modules to adapt to interface changes
2015-09-14 00:56 <Melanie_T> most notable the one on forge
2015-09-14 00:57 <Melanie_T> no one who can develop a proprietray module is unable to follow the interface changes
2015-09-14 00:57 <Melanie_T> as they are only additional parameters they only need to declare, then ignore
2015-09-14 00:58 <Melanie_T> you, lkalif, are the paranoiac, always accusing me of trying to harm opensim. sorry, but history beras me out, not you. Just go away.
2015-09-14 00:58 <lkalif> a demo module in the core that would be limited to exchanging money between avi would go a long way
2015-09-14 00:58 <Melanie_T> bears*
2015-09-14 00:58 <Melanie_T> lkalif: that is te precise legal risk. that is why it is on forge
2015-09-14 00:58 <lkalif> bs
2015-09-14 00:58 <Melanie_T> it will remain there and will be updated before this merge becomes a release
2015-09-14 00:59 <lkalif> but due continue to sell your bs
2015-09-14 00:59 <Melanie_T> no one who uses money should use anything but a release anyway
2015-09-14 01:01 <Melanie_T> lkalif: everyone in the community knows you hate me. although no one, icluding me, seems to know why
2015-09-14 01:01 <Melanie_T> but your word carries no weigth
2015-09-14 01:01 <lkalif> we have now 4 years of evidence that you fix bugs in you fork first instead of core and then merge
2015-09-14 01:02 <Melanie_T> of course i do that
2015-09-14 01:02 <Melanie_T>  i monetize every advantage for 6 months
2015-09-14 01:02 <Melanie_T> and i never made a secret of that
2015-09-14 01:02 <lkalif> now if you were not a core opensim dev that wouls br ok
2015-09-14 01:02 <lkalif> 5 years
2015-09-14 01:02 <lkalif> now we have facts
2015-09-14 01:02 <Melanie_T> no you don't in many cases someone else made a fix before the 6 motnhs were up
2015-09-14 01:02 <lkalif> and if that is not sabotage and harm i don't know what is
2015-09-14 01:03 <Melanie_T> that still leaves a commit
2015-09-14 01:03 <Melanie_T> but no need to push it because it's been fixed independently
2015-09-14 01:03 <Melanie_T> companies invest money to gain advantages
2015-09-14 01:03 <Melanie_T> that is not sabotage
2015-09-14 01:03 <Melanie_T> it is business
2015-09-14 01:04 <lkalif> the sad thing is you are not gaining an advantage, you are giving yourself more work
2015-09-14 01:04 <lkalif> withholding fixes is unethical for a shared code, any way you slice it
2015-09-14 01:04 <Melanie_T> it is not
2015-09-14 01:04 <Melanie_T> if i fix something it is my moral right to make money from it
2015-09-14 01:04 <Melanie_T> then donate it
2015-09-14 01:05 <Melanie_T> because it is MY time that went into it
2015-09-14 01:05 <lkalif> and you are mistaken if you think that I am alone in this thinking
2015-09-14 01:05 <Melanie_T> or time I paid for
2015-09-14 01:05 <lkalif> other people just don't dare speak it
2015-09-14 01:05 <lkalif> they PM me instead lol
2015-09-14 01:07 <Melanie_T> it still doesn't matter. my work time and my employees work time belongs to me
2015-09-14 01:07 <Melanie_T> i share it as i see fit
2015-09-14 01:08 <lkalif> fair enough, but you should not be in the position to make decisions in opensim core simultaneously
2015-09-14 01:09 <Plugh> I would think it a safe bet to say that many grids using OS have their own custom changes to the code which haven't always been pushed to the public repo.
2015-09-14 01:09 <lkalif> Plugh: they don't have a veto right over opensim
2015-09-14 01:09 <lkalif> like Melanie_T does
2015-09-14 01:10 <Melanie_T> i don't
2015-09-14 01:10 <Melanie_T> core decisions are always unanimous
2015-09-14 01:10 <Melanie_T> consent is reached through discussion
2015-09-14 01:10 <Melanie_T> i don't have a one-person "force it in" and i don't have a one-person "keep it out"
2015-09-14 01:11 <lkalif> consent implies veto right
2015-09-14 01:11 <Plugh> ?
2015-09-14 01:11 <Melanie_T> nope
2015-09-14 01:11 <Melanie_T> the only thing i could do is hold up a decision
2015-09-14 01:11 <diva> lkalif stop griefing Melanie, geez. There has never been a veto from Melanie. There was a veto from me once, early on related t othe money module
2015-09-14 01:11 <Plugh> Any core member can give a thumbs down to something on an issue.
2015-09-14 01:11 <Melanie_T> but decisions were made and are being made
2015-09-14 01:12 <Melanie_T> because that sor of behavior would not be tolerated
2015-09-14 01:12 <Melanie_T> you know nothing
2015-09-14 01:12 <Plugh> but it is still up to the majority to decide, or more discussion required.
2015-09-14 01:12 <Melanie_T> but pretend to know everything
2015-09-14 01:12 <diva> I don't remember many vetos in opensim
2015-09-14 01:12 <diva> people have expressed -1s and the reasons are usually accepted
2015-09-14 01:12 <Melanie_T> lkalif: if there are any more personal attacks on me, ever, you will be removed from this channel
2015-09-14 01:13 <Melanie_T> discussions about an issue, sure
2015-09-14 01:13 <Melanie_T> please do chime in
2015-09-14 01:13 <lkalif> Melanie_T: why wait
2015-09-14 01:13 <lkalif> no please
2015-09-14 01:13 <Melanie_T> but accusing me of moral turpitude or leagl wrongdoing
2015-09-14 01:13 <lkalif> kick me out now
2015-09-14 01:13 <Melanie_T> WILL have consequences
2015-09-14 01:13 <lkalif> sure
2015-09-14 01:13 <Melanie_T> because that's just trolling
2015-09-14 01:14 <lkalif> My  oppinion was that fixing bugs in a fork and not in core is unethical
2015-09-14 01:14 <lkalif> if that is trolling ban me now
2015-09-14 01:14 <lkalif> and be done with it
2015-09-14 01:14 <diva> you are entitled to your opinion
2015-09-14 01:14 <diva> others have other opinions
2015-09-14 01:14 <Melanie_T> then explain in what way doing that is unethical, considering the fact that my time belongs to me
2015-09-14 01:14 <Plugh> That is an opinion. I am not aware of anything in the code licences that prohibit doing that with Open Source projects.
2015-09-14 01:14 <lkalif> apperently not diba
2015-09-14 01:14 <Ubit> and is this discution leading anywhere?
2015-09-14 01:14 <Melanie_T> and also elaborate on why it is more unethical when plugh does it
2015-09-14 01:15 <Melanie_T> or when anyone who is not core does it
2015-09-14 01:15 <Plugh> Ubit: Probably not. :)
2015-09-14 01:15 <lkalif> Melanie_T: conflict of interest
2015-09-14 01:15 <Melanie_T> there isn't one
2015-09-14 01:15 <Melanie_T> core membership is HONORARY
2015-09-14 01:15 <Plugh> 
ACTION goes back to figuring out the change needed to the money module.

2015-09-14 01:15 <Melanie_T> it is not paid
2015-09-14 01:15 <lkalif> you have two interest at once
2015-09-14 01:15 <Melanie_T> my owrk time does not belong to core
2015-09-14 01:15 <Melanie_T> i am not eployed by core
2015-09-14 01:16 <lkalif> to make your code better than anybody else's
2015-09-14 01:16 <lkalif> and to keep core good
2015-09-14 01:16 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-09-14 01:16 <Melanie_T> so i monetize my fixes
2015-09-14 01:16 <Melanie_T> then donate them
2015-09-14 01:16 <lkalif> those chash, hence conflict of interest
2015-09-14 01:16 <Melanie_T> it's better than me keeping themto myself forever
2015-09-14 01:16 <Melanie_T> they don't clash
2015-09-14 01:16 <Melanie_T> they synergize
2015-09-14 01:16 <lkalif> lol
2015-09-14 01:16 <lkalif> bs bingo time
2015-09-14 01:17 <Melanie_T> your assumption is that opensim has a _right_ to my work
2015-09-14 01:17 <Melanie_T> well, wake up
2015-09-14 01:17 <Melanie_T> it doesn't
2015-09-14 01:17 <Melanie_T> and not to Plugh's, misterblue's or diva's euther
2015-09-14 01:17 <lkalif> Melanie_T: you dont have to have a right to decide about opensim
2015-09-14 01:17 <diva> your opinion does not entitle you to harrass her the way you are doing -- attacking her every time you see an opportunity. Others here (including me) don't think it's unethical to do what she does/did. Annoying, maybe. And ultimately a pain in the ass for HER. But not unethical. That's my opinion
2015-09-14 01:17 <Melanie_T> you would not expect orenh to donate kitely
2015-09-14 01:18 <Melanie_T> donate comes from donas, greek, a gift
2015-09-14 01:18 <Melanie_T> GIFT, not duty
2015-09-14 01:18 <lkalif> diva: you are increasingly in the minority
2015-09-14 01:19 <lkalif> but soon there will be no more core devs left
2015-09-14 01:19 <lkalif> so you two get to have all the fun ;)
2015-09-14 01:19 <Melanie_T> lkalif: then show me where in law all my code output belongs to opensim just because i am a core member?
2015-09-14 01:20 <Melanie_T> why aren't you harassing diva about her paid wifi addons?
2015-09-14 01:20 <diva> lkalif you can make up whatever stories you want. Ppl have been leaving opensim since about the beginning of it
2015-09-14 01:20 <Melanie_T> or Plugh about having a proprietary money module?
2015-09-14 01:20 <lkalif> unethical things are not neccessariy illegal
2015-09-14 01:20 <Plugh> It is simple to fix a money module when one is more familiar with C# code. I had to check the interface to realize what mistake I was making in syntax. 
2015-09-14 01:20 <Plugh> :D
2015-09-14 01:20 <Melanie_T> your idea of ethiics doesn't work for people who have mouths to feed
2015-09-14 01:21 <lkalif> diva: dahlia left after horrible harassment just few days ago
2015-09-14 01:21 <lkalif> Melanie_T forced her
2015-09-14 01:21 <lkalif> have you read the chat?
2015-09-14 01:22 <lkalif> she basically called her a fake and an impostor
2015-09-14 01:22 <Melanie_T> dahlia's behavior was unethical. offering something for sale, then refusing to quote a price, the refusing to sell altogether, then lording over everyone and stifling any and all web viewer development with "been there, done that, doesn't work, don't try"
2015-09-14 01:22 <Plugh> Melanie_T: FYI, there were two parameters added to the ObjectGiveMoney() call.
2015-09-14 01:22 <Melanie_T> without ever showing a line of code
2015-09-14 01:22 <Melanie_T> Plugh: I will find out when i fix os money
2015-09-14 01:23 <Plugh> np. I have the module compiling again.
2015-09-14 01:23 <Melanie_T> lkalif: of course you consider it unethical for a private entity to pay for services relating to opensim
2015-09-14 01:23 <Melanie_T> i know
2015-09-14 01:23 <Melanie_T> you said so then
2015-09-14 01:23 <Melanie_T> but wake up, there is a lively opensim based economy out there, both in serices and proprietary software, and it's set to grow, not shrink
2015-09-14 01:23 <lkalif> i consider keeping bugs in core on puråpse unethical any way  you want to spin it
2015-09-14 01:24 <Melanie_T> i have always and immediately fixed anything related to security and permissions, until justin let that terrible permissions patch in. 
2015-09-14 01:24 <Melanie_T> after that, i just didn't care because i told him not to accept it
2015-09-14 01:24 <Melanie_T> from the on it was security only
2015-09-14 01:25 <lkalif> and now he's gone too
2015-09-14 01:25 <Melanie_T> but what avn did was functional enhancements
2015-09-14 01:25 <Plugh> I think its been said that OS is meant to be a platform on which to build virtual worlds. That does mean it is expected people will, or can, add their own custom features or changes.
2015-09-14 01:25 <Melanie_T> you may call it a big but it's not a bug until core has an implementationand it doesn't work
2015-09-14 01:25 <diva> I'm not going to say anything else on this. It would be good if ppl would stay clear of personal attacks and focus on the technical part. Everyone is here VOLUNTARILY and everyone has their own reasons to donate their time to this project. We should all be grateful for each others' donations.
2015-09-14 01:25 <Melanie_T> adding omething that makes a part of the viewer come alive and not donating it is NOT a bug fix
2015-09-14 01:25 <Melanie_T> it's an enhancement
2015-09-14 01:27 <diva> speaking as an academic , and seeing how many millions of dollars are spent on things that lead to absolutely nothing, it's quite amazing to see something like opensim emerge purely on voluntary donations
2015-09-14 01:27 <Melanie_T> get me some of those millions and see where we are in a year :)
2015-09-14 01:27 <diva> I am forever grateful to everyone who has ever donated good patches
2015-09-14 01:27 <lkalif> diva: just please tell me have you been in a chat last time dahlia was here. it will help me understnd things much better?
2015-09-14 01:28 <Melanie_T> i believe diva was present
2015-09-14 01:28 <Plugh> Monodevelop is a minor pain a times. I close a panel down when I meant to minimize it and I often can't figure out how to reopen it as I don't always know what the panel was called.
2015-09-14 01:28 <lkalif> ok
2015-09-14 01:28 <diva> no, I wasn't here. I think I saw the beginning, but I went to bed
2015-09-14 01:28 <Melanie_T> you were logged in
2015-09-14 01:28 <Melanie_T> ti's in your history
2015-09-14 01:28 <diva> just saw the email the next day
2015-09-14 01:28 <Melanie_T> your client exited only after
2015-09-14 01:28 <Melanie_T> regardless, i called dahlia out
2015-09-14 01:28 <lkalif> diva: email and chat are 180 degrees opposite directoon
2015-09-14 01:29 <Melanie_T> i so many words sait "put up or shut up"
2015-09-14 01:29 <Melanie_T> as dahli once again topedoed a discussion of websockets for oopensim
2015-09-14 01:29 <Melanie_T> claimed again to have done severl implementations of it and failed
2015-09-14 01:29 <Melanie_T> but again didn't show a line of code
2015-09-14 01:30 <Melanie_T> then the topic of pathfinding came up
2015-09-14 01:30 <Melanie_T> as i had offered her payment for her pathfinding
2015-09-14 01:30 <Melanie_T> and was willing to adapt the viewer UI to use it and not havok and accept server generated navmeshes
2015-09-14 01:31 <Melanie_T> and as many times before, the negototiatons went to the point where dahlia was to name a price
2015-09-14 01:31 <Ubit> 8 things missing on db
2015-09-14 01:31 <Melanie_T> as which point sh went flat nd said "not for sale"
2015-09-14 01:31 <Melanie_T> then pointing me to useless opensource stuff that wasnt interfaced with opensim while dahlia's stuff was already interfaced
2015-09-14 01:32 <Melanie_T> sorry, if i had the cycles to have it done myself why would i want to buy it
2015-09-14 01:32 <Melanie_T> dahlia was a commercial waste fo time each time i tried to deal
2015-09-14 01:32 <Melanie_T> but constantly, dahlia was lording over the channel how there were three web clients out there
2015-09-14 01:32 <Melanie_T> and none worked wel
2015-09-14 01:32 <Melanie_T> and we shouldn't even try
2015-09-14 01:33 <Melanie_T> sorry, but i had had enogh of dahlie torpedoing every attempt on a webclient
2015-09-14 01:33 <Melanie_T> so i said, show or fold
2015-09-14 01:33 <Melanie_T> guess what dahlia did
2015-09-14 01:33 <Ubit> ok... now how does one do a mysql migration ?
2015-09-14 01:33 <Melanie_T> UbitL formulate the alter table statement
2015-09-14 01:34 <Melanie_T> and add it to the Resources/Migrations file
2015-09-14 01:34 <Melanie_T> adding a nw version
2015-09-14 01:34 <lkalif> diva: i'll send you the transcript so you can see for youself about who does the harassing here
2015-09-14 01:34 <lkalif> i won't bother anymore
2015-09-14 01:35 <Melanie_T> lkalif: you are arassing me and have been for years
2015-09-14 01:35 <Melanie_T> and as with dahlia, i'm fed up with it from you as well
2015-09-14 01:35 <diva> that's her perogative Melanie, no? You can't force anyone to show code or do business with you. But I'm not here to make any judgements. It would be nice if we toned down personal attacks. Really, from where I stand, it's AMAZING that opensim even exists! You all have no idea the amount of money that is spent on things that lead to nothing. Every single contributor here should be thanked 
2015-09-14 01:35 <diva> and cherished
2015-09-14 01:35 <Melanie_T> dahlia never haressed me'
2015-09-14 01:35 <Melanie_T> but when i raised and called, dahlia folded
2015-09-14 01:36 <Melanie_T> an i didn't know it would happen that way
2015-09-14 01:36 <Melanie_T> in retrospect, it only shows me dahlia never had a thing to sell
2015-09-14 01:36 <lkalif> lol
2015-09-14 01:37 <diva> she did have a webgo viewer. She just didn't want to sell it to you apparently
2015-09-14 01:37 <Ubit> ok formulate the alter table..  hmmm 
2015-09-14 01:37 <diva> I dont know why
2015-09-14 01:37 <Melanie_T> diva: it rendered exactly one scene
2015-09-14 01:37 <Melanie_T> not anything from any public grid
2015-09-14 01:37 <Melanie_T> no UI to speak of
2015-09-14 01:37 <lkalif> diva: i saw video demonstrations of ner navmesh work
2015-09-14 01:37 <Melanie_T> it was likely not fit to use on real UGC
2015-09-14 01:38 <Ubit> ahh a thing called resourses... hmm
2015-09-14 01:38 <diva> correct. It was limited. But it worked, probably as well as a wengl viewer can work on this kind of content...
2015-09-14 01:38 <diva> which is not very well
2015-09-14 01:38 <Melanie_T> lkalif: the navmesh work was real. dahlia just wasn't interested in selling it to any grd or grids, setting sights on the AAA games and 7 figures sums
2015-09-14 01:39 <diva> we've been making experiments with the Unity3d webgl viewer
2015-09-14 01:39 <Melanie_T> dahila wasn't interested in adaptaion if the LL ui to that code. 
2015-09-14 01:41 <lkalif> i worked with dahlia on bringing new and shiny to opensim to keep in step with ll
2015-09-14 01:41 <lkalif> i'd decode meshes and discover the format and the protocols
2015-09-14 01:41 <lkalif> and she'd implment it in opensim
2015-09-14 01:41 <lkalif> same for materials, and other things
2015-09-14 01:42 <diva> Melanie_T that's her perogative. It may have pissed you but that's no basis to get personal, I think. I'm sorry things went downhill between you and dahlia. Wish there was a way to mend it, if that was the reason why she left.
2015-09-14 01:43 <Melanie_T> diva, all i did was call dahlia out to a shootout at high noon
2015-09-14 01:43 <diva> Mealnie_T not everyone is a vampire like  you :)
2015-09-14 01:43 <Melanie_T> i didn't say midnight
2015-09-14 01:44 <diva> or knows you personally to see through your harsh words
2015-09-14 01:45 <diva> I'm sure that if we all had a chance to meet in each in, say, Amsterdam, there would be a lot less fights here :)
2015-09-14 01:46 <Melanie_T> so everyone needs to come to amsterdam
2015-09-14 01:46 <diva> anyway, dinner time. Love, everyone!
2015-09-14 02:19 <osmantis> Bug #6067:04 llVolumeDetect master prim lose phantom after inworld shift+mouse copy and dont work anymore after region restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6067 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-09-14 15:44 <Ubit> hi plugh, fount the features diferences on the merge? :)
2015-09-14 15:45 <Plugh> hehe... not yet. I haven't looked through all of that stuff yet. 3,273 change entries to look at once the code merge entries are removed.
2015-09-14 15:45 <Ubit> :)
2015-09-14 15:47 <H-H-H> hey Ubit hows the db migrations comming?
2015-09-14 15:48 <Ubit> i did one for mySQL.. still at avn  repo :(
2015-09-14 15:48 <Ubit> well i tried to make one for mySQL :)
2015-09-14 15:48 <H-H-H> lol if ya need a tester that aint affraid to kill the db let me know
2015-09-14 15:49 <Ubit> also pushed soem changes on vehicles crossing bc of Xengine
2015-09-14 15:50 <Ubit> some info that flies around with avn script engine, was missing with X
2015-09-14 15:54 <Ubit> we need to wait for mel to have time to move into the avnmerge branch
2015-09-14 15:54 <H-H-H> no problem :) the offer is there
2015-09-14 15:54 <Ubit> i didnt tried to make the migrations for the other dbs.. should be easy.. its only 8 things
2015-09-14 15:55 <Ubit> ( well i spoted 8 :p )
2015-09-14 15:56 <Ubit> grrr
2015-09-14 15:56 <Ubit> 16:56:04 - [CompleteMovement]: end: 2387ms
2015-09-14 15:56 <Ubit> with this timings  crossings will always be ugly :(
2015-09-14 16:00 <Plugh> grr... cat is after my chair again. He hasn't tried doing that in a while.
2015-09-14 16:01 <Ubit> :)
2015-09-14 16:01 <Plugh> Got him to settle on my lap.
2015-09-14 16:01 <Ubit> lucky  when mine decide they want something  they fight for it
2015-09-14 16:02 <Ubit> i whould be sitting on another chair :)
2015-09-14 16:02 <H-H-H> introduce them to my 2 jack russels if ya like :)
2015-09-14 16:03 <Plugh> hm... if there are db migrations, how is that going to impact those using SQLite? There will be changes needed for PostgreSQL as well.
2015-09-14 16:03 <Ubit> yeap those need migrations also
2015-09-14 16:03 <Plugh> H-H-H: no thanks, I'm not a dog person.
2015-09-14 16:03 <Plugh> :)
2015-09-14 16:03 <Ubit> just better ppl to do them than me :)
2015-09-14 16:04 <Plugh> Is there a dump of the new DB structures that can be used to compare against the current structure?
2015-09-14 16:04 <Ubit> well im driving across regions at osg
2015-09-14 16:05 <Ubit> yeap on the mysql migration i made
2015-09-14 16:05 <H-H-H> is that public yet ?
2015-09-14 16:06 <Ubit> waiting for mel to have time  to copy from avn repo into os repo
2015-09-14 16:06 <H-H-H> ok cool 
2015-09-14 16:07 <H-H-H> 
ACTION sits n waits like a good boy

2015-09-14 16:07 <Plugh> How are migrations handled for SQLite since it doesn't have an "alter table" command, IIRC
2015-09-14 16:07 <Ubit> no ideia :)
2015-09-14 16:08 <Ubit> :VERSION 51         #---- avination fields
2015-09-14 16:08 <Ubit> BEGIN;
2015-09-14 16:08 <Ubit> ALTER TABLE `prims` ADD COLUMN `PassCollisions` tinyint(4) NOT NULL default '0';
2015-09-14 16:08 <Ubit> ALTER TABLE `prims` ADD COLUMN `Vehicle` TEXT default NULL;
2015-09-14 16:08 <Ubit> ALTER TABLE `regionsettings` ADD COLUMN `block_search` tinyint(4) NOT NULL default '0';
2015-09-14 16:08 <Ubit> ALTER TABLE `regionsettings` ADD COLUMN `casino` tinyint(4) NOT NULL default '0';
2015-09-14 16:08 <Ubit> ALTER TABLE `land` ADD COLUMN `SeeAVs` tinyint(4) NOT NULL default '1';
2015-09-14 16:08 <Ubit> ALTER TABLE `land` ADD COLUMN `AnyAVSounds` tinyint(4) NOT NULL default '1';
2015-09-14 16:08 <Ubit> ALTER TABLE `land` ADD COLUMN `GroupAVSounds` tinyint(4) NOT NULL default '1';
2015-09-14 16:08 <Ubit> COMMIT;
2015-09-14 16:08 <Ubit> sounds right ?
2015-09-14 16:09 <Ubit> ( regionStore.migrations )
2015-09-14 16:09 <Plugh> interesting. It seems that there are alter table commands in SQLite now. I see them used in the migrations file.
2015-09-14 16:09 <Ubit> errr
2015-09-14 16:10 <Ubit> those are only 7
2015-09-14 16:10 <Ubit> ahh a regionUUID was alredy there
2015-09-14 16:11 <Plugh> The syntax looks right.
2015-09-14 16:11 <Plugh> Um... a 'casino' column??
2015-09-14 16:12 <Ubit> yeap possible a avn specific..  but didn't dig on it
2015-09-14 16:12 <H-H-H> ok cool i can manually add the fields now then
2015-09-14 16:13 <Plugh> Those are the only db migrations needed?
2015-09-14 16:13 <Ubit> yeap.. the ones i spoted at least
2015-09-14 16:13 <Ubit> but i knew they wheren't many
2015-09-14 16:13 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-09-14 16:13 <Plugh> I need to make a copy of my db's for use with the avn merge branch to do testing.
2015-09-14 16:14 <Ubit> hmm code is not very robust to wrong selection of phsyics engines
2015-09-14 16:15 <Ubit> ( and plz remember ubODEmesher is only for ubOde...  and ubOde flames with the normal one.. 
2015-09-14 16:16 <Plugh> oh, there are a lot of things the code doesn't handle well when the config isn't right.
2015-09-14 16:17 <Ubit> in theory  both meshers can be merged..  but its not a fast thing to do :)
2015-09-14 16:17 <H-H-H> hmmm should i add my own migration to opensim or just add the missing bits maually ?decisions decisions
2015-09-14 16:18 <Plugh> OT: Oh, great. Apple is going to let people have new iPhones every year? That sounds like something that could create loads of extra eWaste if they don't have a means to recycle all the old iPhones.
2015-09-14 16:18 <Ubit> whatever u do its for testing only i guess
2015-09-14 16:19 <Ubit> coffe break.. brb
2015-09-14 16:19 <Plugh> Is OS set to create the DB's with the proper structure?
2015-09-14 16:20 <Plugh> If so I can point OS to empty db's and let it create the needed tables and compare structures.
2015-09-14 16:20 <H-H-H> no plugh
2015-09-14 16:20 <Plugh> oh. :P
2015-09-14 16:21 <H-H-H> thats why we are waiting on melanie to ok the migratins ubit has been working on
2015-09-14 16:21 <H-H-H> however ubit just posted the changes so if ya felt brave you could do what im thinking of and add them yourself
2015-09-14 16:21 <Plugh> Thought I could be another pair of eyes to identify the changes.
2015-09-14 16:22 <Plugh> sure. I'm setting up a new set of DB's for use with this merged version so I'm game.
2015-09-14 16:23 <H-H-H> 
ACTION is urrently looking in the code to see how/where the migrations are done

2015-09-14 16:23 <H-H-H> found it
2015-09-14 16:25 <H-H-H> building with the new migrations added
2015-09-14 16:29 <H-H-H> booting
2015-09-14 16:30 <H-H-H> region store migrations now applying :)
2015-09-14 16:31 <Ubit> 
ACTION looks and hides

2015-09-14 16:31 <Plugh> I only see one file referencing 'casino'. Might be something to look at more closely to see if it is only useful for avination.
2015-09-14 16:32 <Ubit> yeap possible is a avn only thing
2015-09-14 16:32 <Ubit> not my thing at avn coding
2015-09-14 16:32 <Plugh> H-H-H: You are ahead of me. I've updated the migrations file. I have to set up an SA for this version of code.
2015-09-14 16:33 <Ubit> ohh dear H-H-H died   
2015-09-14 16:33 <H-H-H> 2015-09-14 17:32:22,995 INFO  (1) - OpenSim.Data.Migration [MIGRATIONS]: Updating RegionStore to version 51
2015-09-14 16:33 <Ubit> windows or linux ?
2015-09-14 16:33 <H-H-H> seems to have gone ok as its now asking me for region data lol fingers x,ed
2015-09-14 16:33 <H-H-H> linux 32bit in grid mode
2015-09-14 16:34 <Ubit> ok let me look for a thing for you to look at log
2015-09-14 16:35 <Ubit> pls look for  OpenSim.Framework.Util [UTIL] TimeStamp clock
2015-09-14 16:35 <Ubit> at opensim.log and paste here
2015-09-14 16:35 <H-H-H> and its up
2015-09-14 16:35 <Plugh> Um... why is there a subdir of config-include called storage with a single ini for SQLite?
2015-09-14 16:35 <Ubit> ok pls check that at opensim.lol
2015-09-14 16:35 <H-H-H> thats been there ages
2015-09-14 16:36 <Ubit> .lol ?  lolo
2015-09-14 16:36 <Plugh> oh, it is in master.
2015-09-14 16:36 <H-H-H> 2015-09-14 01:36:34,418 INFO  (1) - OpenSim.Framework.Util [UTIL] TimeStamp clock with period of 0.0001ms
2015-09-14 16:37 <Ubit> cool  it also vvvorks in linux :)
2015-09-14 16:37 <Ubit> ty
2015-09-14 16:37 <H-H-H> hey ubit
2015-09-14 16:37 <H-H-H> 17:35:04 - [SCENE COMMUNICATION SERVICE]: Informing 0 neighbours that region malaria is up
2015-09-14 16:37 <H-H-H> 17:35:06 - [WATCHDOG]: Timeout detected for thread "MapItemRequestThread (malaria)". ThreadState=Background, WaitSleepJoin. Last tick was 49294ms ago.  
2015-09-14 16:37 <H-H-H> that happened as it booted instantly
2015-09-14 16:37 <Ubit> yeap harmless
2015-09-14 16:38 <H-H-H> ok going to try loging in
2015-09-14 16:38 <Ubit> wen missing a watchdog update there
2015-09-14 16:38 <Ubit> but is a warning
2015-09-14 16:39 <H-H-H> viewer just sent me a msg saying could not put on outfit
2015-09-14 16:39 <Ubit> yr region is standalone or osg ?
2015-09-14 16:39 <H-H-H> my region is a lan grid
2015-09-14 16:40 <H-H-H> both robust and opensim running on same machine as viewer using 127.0.0.1
2015-09-14 16:40 <Plugh> Nuts. I have some webserver files to copy/update before I can try using the new code.
2015-09-14 16:40 <Ubit> ??
2015-09-14 16:40 <H-H-H> and m logged in but a gas cloud
2015-09-14 16:41 <H-H-H> also ubit im not sure if these clothing issues are caused by singu or opensim i could try firestorm and find out
2015-09-14 16:41 <Ubit> can be region issues.. no idea
2015-09-14 16:41 <Ubit> or grid side since ur testing on a grid
2015-09-14 16:42 <H-H-H> console looks nicer lol
2015-09-14 16:42 <H-H-H> let me try firefox
2015-09-14 16:42 <Plugh> Ubit: I use the osprofile and ossearch add on modules.
2015-09-14 16:42 <H-H-H> i mean firestorm lol
2015-09-14 16:42 <Ubit> think im using those also on the osg test regions
2015-09-14 16:42 <Ubit> hmm ossearh think smoked :p
2015-09-14 16:43 <Ubit> but ive profiles..  well  when the download
2015-09-14 16:44 <Ubit> hmm and they aren't lol
2015-09-14 16:44 <H-H-H> lol 17:42:18 - [Scene]: The avatar has left the building
2015-09-14 16:47 <Plugh> Think I'm about ready but i should compare my ini file against the version in the code branch.
2015-09-14 16:48 <Ubit> i added the ubODE things on the ini.example
2015-09-14 16:49 <H-H-H> ok just logged in with firestorm and re wore all default clothes and im now ruth on an empty region yaya
2015-09-14 16:49 <Ubit> stop looking to ruth :p
2015-09-14 16:50 <H-H-H> lol right i brb dogs need walking :)
2015-09-14 16:51 <Plugh> hm... I haven't updated my ini files for a while in my local SA setups of OS.
2015-09-14 16:52 <Ubit> yeap os search smokes
2015-09-14 16:54 <Ubit> APPLICATION EXCEPTION DETECTED: System.UnhandledExceptionEventArgs
2015-09-14 16:54 <Ubit> Exception: System.TypeLoadException: Method 'Refresh' in type 'OpenSimSearch.Mod
2015-09-14 16:54 <Ubit> ules.OpenSearch.OpenSearchModule' from assembly 'OpenSimSearch.Modules, Version=
2015-09-14 16:54 <Ubit> 0.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null' does not have an implementation.
2015-09-14 16:54 <Ubit>    at System.Reflection.RuntimeAssembly.GetType(RuntimeAssembly assembly, String
2015-09-14 16:54 <Ubit>  name, Boolean throwOnError, Boolean ignoreCase, ObjectHandleOnStack type)
2015-09-14 16:54 <Ubit>    at System.Reflection.RuntimeAssembly.GetType(String name, Boolean throwOnErro
2015-09-14 16:54 <Ubit> r, Boolean ignoreCase)
2015-09-14 16:54 <Ubit>    at Mono.Addins.RuntimeAddin.GetType(String typeName, Boolean throwIfNotFound)
2015-09-14 16:54 <Plugh> Lunch time. I'll bbl.
2015-09-14 16:55 <Ubit> whatever this means :)
2015-09-14 16:55 <Plugh> if ossearch is busted I'll look at that later.
2015-09-14 16:56 <Plugh> Make sure you have the latest version of ossearch.
2015-09-14 16:56 <Ubit> profile seems to load fine
2015-09-14 16:56 <Plugh> ok.
2015-09-14 16:56 <Plugh> bbl.
2015-09-14 17:05 <H-H-H> back
2015-09-14 17:06 <H-H-H> anything specific i should be looking for Ubit?
2015-09-14 17:08 <Ubit> nahh just everything lol
2015-09-14 17:09 <Ubit> ok osprofile seems happy
2015-09-14 17:10 <H-H-H> logs in fairly quick compared to usuall
2015-09-14 17:12 <Ubit> with ubOde ?
2015-09-14 17:12 <H-H-H> if thats default then yes
2015-09-14 17:12 <H-H-H> heres a nice one for you
2015-09-14 17:12 <H-H-H> http://pastebin.com/Cp4rdsRK
2015-09-14 17:12 <Ubit> rez a prim and sit on it
2015-09-14 17:13 <Ubit> hmm well bakes is a lot avn version..
2015-09-14 17:14 <Ubit> so "glitchs are expected"
2015-09-14 17:15 <Ubit> the prim rezzed ? :)
2015-09-14 17:18 <H-H-H> im restarted with the .ini.example files copied over to .ini as i was using some from my running setup
2015-09-14 17:18 <H-H-H> 2 secs
2015-09-14 17:18 <Ubit> ok
2015-09-14 17:19 <H-H-H> ok with this setup i can rez a cube but av wont sit on it
2015-09-14 17:19 <Ubit> ?
2015-09-14 17:19 <H-H-H> ubode is commented out in ini lol
2015-09-14 17:20 <Ubit> of course :p
2015-09-14 17:20 <Ubit> dont forget the ubodemesh also
2015-09-14 17:20 <H-H-H> when i enable it it complains it cant find it lol
2015-09-14 17:21 <Ubit> ?
2015-09-14 17:21 <Ubit> well ubOde depends on it
2015-09-14 17:21 <H-H-H> http://pastebin.com/MX8MsLyZ
2015-09-14 17:23 <Ubit> hmm doesnt finde the odelib?
2015-09-14 17:23 <Ubit> odd
2015-09-14 17:24 <H-H-H> if i switch it over to normal ode it works fine
2015-09-14 17:25 <Ubit> hmm mb the config needs fix
2015-09-14 17:25 <Ubit> hmm seems ok
2015-09-14 17:26 <Ubit> errr
2015-09-14 17:26 <jakdaniels> is there a dllmap section for the shared library in the exe.config or dll.config?
2015-09-14 17:27 <Ubit> odd the initit code is just like old ode
2015-09-14 17:28 <H-H-H> in opensim.ini it says
2015-09-14 17:28 <H-H-H> ;; see also ODEPhysicsSettings section
2015-09-14 17:28 <H-H-H> however there isnt one
2015-09-14 17:28 <Ubit> ohh ignore
2015-09-14 17:29 <H-H-H> sorry my bad there is an ode one not a ubode lol
2015-09-14 17:29 <Ubit> i changed the code so no need for ODEPhysicsSettings section changes
2015-09-14 17:29 <H-H-H> o ok
2015-09-14 17:30 <H-H-H> still doesnt find the dll tho if i use ubODE
2015-09-14 17:30 <Ubit> ( ubODE likes  av_density of 3 not 80    so i changed the code so 80  is 3 :p )
2015-09-14 17:30 <Ubit> its the same  ode.dll   odd
2015-09-14 17:31 <Ubit> hmm
2015-09-14 17:34 <Ubit> ok think i know the issue
2015-09-14 17:34 <H-H-H> ?
2015-09-14 17:34 <Ubit> linux things..
2015-09-14 17:35 <H-H-H> ahh ok
2015-09-14 17:37 <Ubit> yeap i lost a file
2015-09-14 17:37 <Ubit> can u do a test 4 me ?
2015-09-14 17:38 <H-H-H> sure
2015-09-14 17:38 <H-H-H> when i find my lighter lol
2015-09-14 17:38 <H-H-H> found i lol
2015-09-14 17:38 <Ubit> you have a file named  Ode.NET.dll.config, make a copy of it
2015-09-14 17:39 <H-H-H> done
2015-09-14 17:39 <Ubit> and rename the copy as...
2015-09-14 17:41 <Ubit> OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModule.ubOde.dll,config
2015-09-14 17:41 <H-H-H> then try starting?
2015-09-14 17:41 <Ubit> yeap with ubOde selected
2015-09-14 17:42 <H-H-H> same
2015-09-14 17:42 <Ubit> hmmm
2015-09-14 17:43 <Ubit> it should work
2015-09-14 17:43 <Ubit> OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModule.ubOde.dll.config
2015-09-14 17:44 <Ubit> ( a .  before config ? )
2015-09-14 17:44 <H-H-H> lol i just noticed that to let me retry
2015-09-14 17:44 <Ubit> yeap my fingers.. uff
2015-09-14 17:45 <H-H-H> yep that worked :)
2015-09-14 17:45 <Ubit> nice
2015-09-14 17:45 <H-H-H> now gonna log in again
2015-09-14 17:45 <Ubit> going to do the fix for all
2015-09-14 17:45 <Ubit> i forgot that for linux :)
2015-09-14 17:46 <H-H-H> and i just sat perfectly on my cube
2015-09-14 17:46 <Ubit> mk it larger and sit in middle
2015-09-14 17:48 <H-H-H> i made it 2x2 and tried re sitting and it sat on edge
2015-09-14 17:48 <Ubit> play with it..
2015-09-14 17:48 <Ubit> its a ubOde feature
2015-09-14 17:49 <H-H-H> ok how do i make it sit in middle lol
2015-09-14 17:49 <H-H-H> it always uses the edge
2015-09-14 17:49 <Ubit> needs to be wider
2015-09-14 17:49 <H-H-H> what sort of size
2015-09-14 17:49 <H-H-H> 5x5?
2015-09-14 17:49 <Ubit> 5x5
2015-09-14 17:50 <Ubit> think its 1m the distance that makes i decide for a edge
2015-09-14 17:50 <H-H-H> o cool i sat cross legged in the middle :)
2015-09-14 17:51 <Ubit> :)
2015-09-14 17:52 <Ubit> well physics assisted sits are a ubOde feature
2015-09-14 17:52 <Ubit> ( expect odd results now and then ;) )
2015-09-14 17:54 <H-H-H> http://pasteboard.co/DFvLXaN.png
2015-09-14 17:54 <Ubit> ohh ur so sexy :p
2015-09-14 17:54 <H-H-H> stop peeking at my wobly bits hahahahaha
2015-09-14 17:55 <Ubit> :)
2015-09-14 17:56 <Ubit> ok i pushed the missing dll.config file for linux dlls loader
2015-09-14 17:56 <jakdaniels> :)
2015-09-14 17:57 <Ubit> ( mel is  gona kill me ..  changes all the time .. :) )
2015-09-14 17:58 <H-H-H> she wont kill you lol it would have to be done anyway :)
2015-09-14 17:58 <H-H-H> to make it work
2015-09-14 17:59 <Ubit> the old ode uses a api into the dll   that is define on the Ode.Net.dll ( no source on the repo )
2015-09-14 18:00 <Plugh> Um...  There is an OpenSimDefaults.ini.example file ???
2015-09-14 18:00 <Ubit> i made a replacement Api,  incorporated in ubOde..
2015-09-14 18:00 <Ubit> so the source is there at hand...
2015-09-14 18:01 <Ubit> but means that config is needed on linux, windows finds it using other methods 
2015-09-14 18:02 <Plugh> We aren't supposed to touch the Defaults file so why is there now a .example copy of it which will encourage people to change it?
2015-09-14 18:02 <Ubit> hmm ?
2015-09-14 18:02 <Ubit> i had one on my repo
2015-09-14 18:02 <Plugh> its in the avmerge branch
2015-09-14 18:02 <Plugh> avnmerge
2015-09-14 18:03 <Ubit> yeap  we had it.. opensim removed it ?
2015-09-14 18:03 <jakdaniels> yeah, linux/mono doesn't look in the current dir for dependent dlls, it uses dllmap in a dll.config or exe.config
2015-09-14 18:03 <Plugh> I don't recall ever having a OpenSimDefaults.ini.example file before.
2015-09-14 18:03 <Ubit> yeap jakdaniels
2015-09-14 18:04 <H-H-H> https://bitbucket.org/horizongir/ode.net/src
2015-09-14 18:04 <Ubit> well i had it here..  so there it is :)
2015-09-14 18:04 <Ubit> yeap H-H-H  i do have that source
2015-09-14 18:04 <Ubit> but made my own Api version  inside ubOde
2015-09-14 18:04 <H-H-H> theres a few but thats the most recent
2015-09-14 18:05 <Ubit> think mine is more updated actually
2015-09-14 18:05 <H-H-H> i need to try loading an oar into this but it seems a bit quicker than befre :)
2015-09-14 18:06 <Ubit> stardard size region ?
2015-09-14 18:06 <H-H-H> yep
2015-09-14 18:06 <Ubit> ok
2015-09-14 18:06 <H-H-H> literally as defauult except ubode and mysql
2015-09-14 18:07 <H-H-H> oh and xbakes
2015-09-14 18:07 <Ubit> well bakes need a fix for the error u seen i guess
2015-09-14 18:07 <Ubit> off ive no error at osg
2015-09-14 18:07 <Ubit> odd..
2015-09-14 18:07 <Plugh> There is a lot more stuff in the .ini than in the .example. I think that .example file should come out.
2015-09-14 18:08 <Ubit> ok
2015-09-14 18:08 <Ubit> guess opensim decided to remove it 
2015-09-14 18:08 <Ubit> ty mel
2015-09-14 18:09 <H-H-H> loading an oar now
2015-09-14 18:09 <H-H-H> its the LK Fantasy oar
2015-09-14 18:13 <H-H-H> definately seems quicker :)
2015-09-14 18:15 <Ubit> thats bc it now has good taste and rejects yr ugly prims :p
2015-09-14 18:16 <H-H-H> more than likely :P
2015-09-14 18:16 <Ubit> :)
2015-09-14 18:19 <H-H-H> it hasnt blown up yet either lol
2015-09-14 18:19 <Ubit> ohh it will  it will :)
2015-09-14 18:19 <H-H-H> after ive done this test im going to restart it as hg and see what it does
2015-09-14 18:20 <Ubit> well HG surelly is in bad shape
2015-09-14 18:20 <Ubit> we never "cared" about it
2015-09-14 18:28 <H-H-H> hmmmm if i right click and choose apearence and then try switching it to male it doesnt change :|
2015-09-14 18:31 <Ubit> it knows ur inner self :p
2015-09-14 18:34 <H-H-H> hahaha
2015-09-14 18:49 <Plugh> hehe
2015-09-14 18:50 <Ubit> ok with jak we seen a diference btw ubOde and bulet about meshs
2015-09-14 18:50 <Ubit> with ubOde if you don't give a physics mesh,  you will only get the convex hull
2015-09-14 18:50 <jakdaniels> the physics mesh is done differently 
2015-09-14 18:51 <Ubit> bullet in that case,   tries to use one of the visual meshs,  from lowest LOD up
2015-09-14 18:51 <Ubit> something easy to make identical at later stages of the merge
2015-09-14 18:56 <H-H-H> hey Plugh hows your testing going?
2015-09-14 18:57 <Plugh> I'm still syncing my ini files against the recent versions.
2015-09-14 18:57 <Plugh> I need to do it for 080, 081, master, and the avnmerge branch.
2015-09-14 18:57 <Plugh> It will go faster once I've done it for 080
2015-09-14 18:58 <H-H-H> ahh ok im just waiting to see if anyone else sees the things i am before i go and hit mantis as it might just be wierdness in my setup
2015-09-14 18:58 <Plugh> I should really start using the addon-modules directory for the config includes for ossearch and osprofile.
2015-09-14 18:59 <H-H-H> oh crap now were in trouble :P
2015-09-14 18:59 <Plugh> ok. I need to check what other files I need to sync up.
2015-09-14 18:59 <H-H-H> wb Melanie_t
2015-09-14 18:59 <H-H-H> wb Melanie_T*
2015-09-14 19:00 <Plugh> I think I just have to do three. OS.ini, FlotsamCache.ini, and SACommon.
2015-09-14 19:01 <H-H-H> no rush i goto go out for 30 mins @ 8pm 
2015-09-14 19:01 <H-H-H> oops like now lol bbl
2015-09-14 19:06 <Plugh> ok, Done 0.8.0 now to do 0.8.1
2015-09-14 19:12 <Ubit> well that opensim hack doesnt work with viewers display of physics shape
2015-09-14 19:12 <jakdaniels> is there a reason why region names to be 3+ chrs long? I had a region called B2.... do a map search and the map finds it but I get a msg saying must be 3 or more characters. Some regions don't find it at all.
2015-09-14 19:12 <jakdaniels> is that an ossearch thing Plugh?
2015-09-14 19:13 <Plugh> jakdaniels: is what an ossearch thing?
2015-09-14 19:13 <jakdaniels> does ossearch require min 3 chrs for a search?
2015-09-14 19:13 <MarcusLlewellyn> 
ACTION presumes that that is actually a viewer imposed limit conjure up by LL. To avoid searches for things like "e" that would just strain resources.

2015-09-14 19:14 <Plugh> jakdaniels: IIRC, it is a viewer thing.
2015-09-14 19:14 <jakdaniels> ok thank you both
2015-09-14 19:14 <jakdaniels> it seems inconsistent between regions though, using same viewer. oh well
2015-09-14 19:14 <Plugh> Good point though. Perhaps ossearch should check for a min length on the query.
2015-09-14 19:15 <MarcusLlewellyn> Nah. Viewer side is where such controls belong, IMO.
2015-09-14 19:15 <jakdaniels> for that yes, unless you are particularly paranoid grid side
2015-09-14 19:16 <Plugh> yea, you try and predict and you inevitably get it wrong and don't allow for some corner case someone needs.
2015-09-14 19:17 <MarcusLlewellyn> Grids that really want that can stick an if statement in ossearch very easily, anyhoo.
2015-09-14 19:19 <MarcusLlewellyn> Oh, can think of a reason it would be bad, too. The viewer knows about the limit. But if a grid wanted, say a 4 char limit, there's no way to tell the viewer (and hence user) that. It would just fail, the user would be "Wtf?" and support issue arise.
2015-09-14 19:20 <jakdaniels> yes, but although the viewer tries to enforce 3 chrs now, it still works with 2.... just inconsistently lol
2015-09-14 19:21 <MarcusLlewellyn> My big beef with viewer map search is that it'll only match the beginning of a region name. That's weird and inconvenient.
2015-09-14 19:21 <jakdaniels> yes... you cannot get just a list of say Plaza s
2015-09-14 19:22 <MarcusLlewellyn> Right.
2015-09-14 19:24 <MarcusLlewellyn> But screwing up searches is a long and time honored tradition where LL is concerned. ;)
2015-09-14 19:28 <Ubit> errr i killed sandbox plazza?
2015-09-14 19:28 <jakdaniels> I think so.... :)
2015-09-14 19:29 <jakdaniels> Plaza II works
2015-09-14 19:29 <Ubit> well it was yr mesh :)
2015-09-14 19:29 <jakdaniels> lol
2015-09-14 19:29 <Plugh> MarcusLlewellyn: yea, not being able to do map search where you look for something past the start of the name is something that bugs me. Not sure if that is a viewer issue or back end code. Its something I'd like to fix.
2015-09-14 19:29 <Ubit> think ill not suport that opensim thing jack
2015-09-14 19:30 <jakdaniels> Plaza I is old ODE right?
2015-09-14 19:30 <Ubit> sounds nice..   but viewers don't seem to like it
2015-09-14 19:30 <jakdaniels> in what way?
2015-09-14 19:30 <Ubit> well i was tring to check that :)
2015-09-14 19:30 <Ubit> viewers ask about the physics mesh
2015-09-14 19:31 <Ubit> if not present they expect the thing to have none
2015-09-14 19:31 <jakdaniels> does bullet also fool the viewer into thinking it has one at a visible LOD?
2015-09-14 19:32 <jakdaniels> its always worked for me in all viewers using bullet
2015-09-14 19:32 <Ubit> it cant fool the viewer o that
2015-09-14 19:32 <Ubit> it just does collisions..
2015-09-14 19:32 <MarcusLlewellyn> Bullet always generates a hull, IIRC, unless one is specified at upload, then it uses that one.
2015-09-14 19:33 <jakdaniels> thats what we thought MarcusLlewelyn, but no....
2015-09-14 19:33 <Ubit> yeap but it creates the hull from the provided high res mesh
2015-09-14 19:33 <MarcusLlewellyn> 
ACTION nods.

2015-09-14 19:33 <jakdaniels> why does the viewer need it...is it part of client side physics?
2015-09-14 19:33 <Ubit> now if you don't upload a high res mesh, opensim   goes looking to the visual ones, and uses one from the LODs
2015-09-14 19:34 <Ubit> thats none standard
2015-09-14 19:34 <MarcusLlewellyn> Bullet also can use user created hulls. I do that fairly often.
2015-09-14 19:34 <Ubit> hm the dam thing is broken
2015-09-14 19:34 <jakdaniels> which viewer did u crash and did it crash on Bullet with my mesh?
2015-09-14 19:35 <Ubit> fs
2015-09-14 19:36 <Ubit> ok its working now
2015-09-14 19:36 <Ubit> see its options on Physics shape type
2015-09-14 19:36 <Ubit> only listed none and convex..
2015-09-14 19:37 <jakdaniels> i dont have perms to see that
2015-09-14 19:37 <Ubit> but it colliding using the visual mesh
2015-09-14 19:37 <Ubit> so.. viewer and phycis not in agreement
2015-09-14 19:38 <Ubit> and i can't make it convex
2015-09-14 19:38 <jakdaniels> I see what you mean... setting to convex or none doesn't change anything... seems fixed to high LOD
2015-09-14 19:38 <Ubit> it always uses the visual LOD
2015-09-14 19:38 <Ubit> yeap
2015-09-14 19:39 <Ubit> and if u go to debug and display the physics shape ull see  hmm lets see :)
2015-09-14 19:39 <Ubit> see the convex shape
2015-09-14 19:40 <Ubit> bc thats the only thing viewer sees on physics
2015-09-14 19:40 <MarcusLlewellyn> That setting has always been slightly quirky in OpenSim. With both Bullet and ODE. I've had meshes spontaneously become prim rather that convex, and require that that property be toggled. Other times a mesh will lose all physics, and I have to toggle phantom on and off.
2015-09-14 19:40 <jakdaniels> which console in replex/singularity?
2015-09-14 19:40 <MarcusLlewellyn> Unfortunately, I've never found a reliable way to repro that problem.
2015-09-14 19:40 <Ubit> render metadata?
2015-09-14 19:40 <Ubit> well ill keep ubOde as standard..
2015-09-14 19:40 <Ubit> no high res data.. no high res collisiobns
2015-09-14 19:41 <Ubit> it was a nice saving of memory really... but...  nahhh
2015-09-14 19:41 <jakdaniels> too many menu items in replex, can't find it .... nm
2015-09-14 19:41 <Ubit> around developer, render metadata ?
2015-09-14 19:42 <jakdaniels> hmmm... shame... makes for quicker upload of whole region mesh terrains
2015-09-14 19:42 <Ubit> yeap it as nice things.. but broken viewers arent funny
2015-09-14 19:42 <Ubit> but well isn't a case "closed" :)
2015-09-14 19:43 <Ubit> i just adding that to ubMesher..  
2015-09-14 19:44 <jakdaniels> ok, not to worry now... its something we could look at later once the hard work is finished :)
2015-09-14 19:44 <Ubit> yeap
2015-09-14 19:44 <Ubit> just this issue with viewers.. well  
2015-09-14 19:44 <Ubit> no suport for that 
2015-09-14 19:45 <Ubit> ( and display of the phycis is a good tool )
2015-09-14 19:45 <jakdaniels> does the viewer calculate double click tp destination. That works ok too on this mesh... its very accurate
2015-09-14 19:46 <Ubit> don't remember
2015-09-14 19:46 <Ubit> uff have the thing as convex hull and it  fully collides :)
2015-09-14 19:47 <Ubit> what if someone actually only wants it to be convex ?
2015-09-14 19:47 <jakdaniels> yes, that might be a problem
2015-09-14 19:47 <Ubit> with all nice visual LODs etc  but simple convex hull
2015-09-14 19:48 <Ubit> well ill talk with mb
2015-09-14 19:49 <jakdaniels> ok... I'll be sad though if we lose this 'feature' ;) Hopefully it can be made to work both ways
2015-09-14 19:49 <Ubit> just upload it correctly :)
2015-09-14 19:49 <Ubit> well issues i see are viewer side... 
2015-09-14 19:50 <Ubit> ( and i can imagine messy to make work as opensim now )
2015-09-14 19:52 <Ubit> so sorry to say ..  with ubOde yr meshs are really convex :)
2015-09-14 19:54 <Ubit> did u ever tested one at SL ?
2015-09-14 19:54 <jakdaniels> no I didn't.... that mesh is too big for SL lol, but I'll maybe try make a smaller one and try that
2015-09-14 19:55 <Ubit> :)
2015-09-14 19:55 <jakdaniels> I can imagine the land impact that would have ;)
2015-09-14 19:55 <Ubit> well it will cost u a few $L :)
2015-09-14 19:55 <Ubit> or they still have the test grid ?
2015-09-14 19:56 <Ubit> btw there is a  display a kindaoff land impact on the merge code
2015-09-14 19:56 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-09-14 19:57 <Ubit> but the math as no relation to the LL one
2015-09-14 19:57 <Melanie_T> we never activated in avination because people hate LI
2015-09-14 19:57 <jakdaniels> yes. Anyway, if I get some time I'll try it.... I'm not really interested in SL, but it might elude to what the viewer expects to see if this scenario
2015-09-14 19:58 <Ubit> no we never activated  use of it for any cost or real land impact
2015-09-14 19:58 <Ubit> its for information purposes
2015-09-14 19:58 <Ubit> so ppl can have a ideia of impact
2015-09-14 19:59 <jakdaniels> so in summary, the issue here in bullet is that without uploaded physics it walks up the LODs and uses the first visible mesh, but the viewer should be showing 'prim' as physics type
2015-09-14 19:59 <jakdaniels> and it should change when selecting hull or none?
2015-09-14 19:59 <Ubit> yeap  bullet ( possible old ode ) messes up visual and physics meshs
2015-09-14 20:00 <Ubit> the code is on Meshmerizer / ubOdeMesh...
2015-09-14 20:02 <Ubit> viewer  uses the mesh physics parts to decide to show "prim" i guess
2015-09-14 20:03 <jakdaniels> so bullet could just be told to send the lowest visible LOD as physics to the viewer if none supplied?
2015-09-14 20:03 <Ubit> that sending is far far from physics code
2015-09-14 20:04 <jakdaniels> right but in ODE ubODE that sending must get the mesh from somewhere in physics? or does it just reload the asset and pick it out?
2015-09-14 20:05 <Ubit> ubOde only looks to the physics part of the mesh
2015-09-14 20:05 <Ubit> ( ODE uses same code as bullet.. )
2015-09-14 20:08 <Ubit> well ill try to talk with mister and see if we can work around...
2015-09-14 20:08 <Ubit> for now i just don't see any...
2015-09-14 20:11 <Ubit> errr
2015-09-14 20:11 <Ubit> possible there is no saving at all
2015-09-14 20:11 <Ubit> let check something..
2015-09-14 20:14 <Ubit> yeackk why do i cache meshs :)
2015-09-14 20:14 <jakdaniels> do you use the same Meshmerizer.cs ?
2015-09-14 20:15 <Ubit> ubode uses ubodeMesh...
2015-09-14 20:16 <Ubit> well can't test now
2015-09-14 20:16 <Ubit> but i almost guess that if u upload telling physics to use the high lod
2015-09-14 20:17 <Ubit> it cretes a physics section, pointiong to the visual high lod
2015-09-14 20:17 <Ubit> if so... no saving ..
2015-09-14 20:17 <Ubit> but can't test it now for sure
2015-09-14 20:19 <Ubit> but lindens aren't that bad as to waste precius databases memory
2015-09-14 20:19 <Ubit> ( at least when meshs where made.. )
2015-09-14 20:21 <Ubit> well going to look for food :)
2015-09-14 20:21 <Ubit> cya later
2015-09-14 20:21 <jakdaniels> ok thanks Ubit
2015-09-14 20:21 <Ubit> my pleasure :)
2015-09-14 20:29 <Plugh> if data_services URL is obsolete what replaces it?
2015-09-14 20:53 <Plugh> grrr... OS throws an exception of Key Not Found but doesn't tell you where it tried to use the key
2015-09-14 20:54 <Ubit> some try catch are very far from the code that fails
2015-09-14 20:55 <Ubit> but well we can't have those everywhere..
2015-09-14 20:55 <Ubit> ossearch really as issues or its just with the avnmerge?
2015-09-14 20:56 <Plugh> I can't test ossearch until I can fix my configuration and figure out why it isn't accepting use of stuff defined in [Const]
2015-09-14 20:56 <Ubit> ok
2015-09-14 20:58 <Plugh> my 080 version still works. none of the other tree SA's work.
2015-09-14 21:04 <H-H-H> thanks again guys goodnight all and god bless
2015-09-14 21:04 <Ubit> have fun
2015-09-14 21:05 <Plugh> wtf?? WebURL is an unknown key. That is correct. I haven't defined it but I can't find any references to that constant.
2015-09-14 21:07 <Plugh> I've tried looking for it with "grep -i WebURL" in *, */*, and */*/* and not found except in the log file where it logged the exception.
2015-09-14 21:09 <Plugh> Finally found it four levels down. It is part of something new in 081 afaict,
2015-09-14 21:15 <Plugh> The reference was in the ini file for OpenSimEvents.ini but I don't remember when/where I got that.
2015-09-14 21:15 <Ubit> :)
2015-09-14 21:16 <Plugh> I'm not sure if I even have source files for it.
2015-09-14 21:17 <Ubit> oops
2015-09-14 21:20 <Plugh> Interesting. You can't use a constant in [Const].
2015-09-14 21:20 <Ubit> lol
2015-09-14 21:21 <Plugh> oh, found the sources. Seems I was having a look at OpenSimEvents that I found in a public repo.
2015-09-14 21:21 <Plugh> Ubit, It seemed like a reasonable thing to do it I defined it before I used it.
2015-09-14 21:21 <Ubit> yeap seems reasonable
2015-09-14 21:26 <Plugh> Now I'm being told a key I defined doesn't exist.
2015-09-14 21:36 <Plugh> I give up. I'm just going to hard code the values in the ini file. Using constants just isn't working.
2015-09-14 21:57 <LightDrake> Erhh I have a question, internally within the opensim server, time should be unix time right?
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2015-09-14 22:05 <Plugh> Finally got it all sorted out. I've started an SA version of avnmerge and it is throwing out some errors in the migration process.
2015-09-14 22:05 <Ubit> oh ?
2015-09-14 22:06 <Plugh> I started with databases with no tables in them.
2015-09-14 22:07 <Plugh> Also threw an exception when creating my first estate.
2015-09-14 22:07 <Ubit> well i only added the 51 on regionstore :)
2015-09-14 22:07 <Plugh> Let me save the log file so I don't clobber it later.
2015-09-14 22:07 <Ubit> rest should be identical to master 
2015-09-14 22:09 <Plugh> grr... why didn't it migrate region store to 51??
2015-09-14 22:14 <Plugh> Oh, the migrations were pushed.
2015-09-14 22:18 <Plugh> 18:17:43 - [WATCHDOG]: Timeout detected for thread "MapItemRequestThread (Merge Test Area)". ThreadState=Background, WaitSleepJoin. Last tick was 52400ms ago.  
2015-09-14 22:18 <Plugh> 18:17:43 - [WATCHDOG]: Timeout detected for thread "MapBlockSendThread (Merge Test Area)". ThreadState=Background, WaitSleepJoin. Last tick was 5240
2015-09-14 22:18 <Plugh> I pulled and rebuilt the sources and re-started the avnmerge branch. Got those just after it asked for my user info.
2015-09-14 22:19 <Ubit> yeap thats a warning... a watchdog update missing
2015-09-14 22:19 <Ubit> ( or a big timeout added ;) )
2015-09-14 22:20 <Plugh> I'm using Warp3D btw.
2015-09-14 22:20 <Plugh> um... I was supposed to be.
2015-09-14 22:21 <Ubit> i tested with it also
2015-09-14 22:21 <Plugh> Still don't have things configured as I want them.
2015-09-14 22:21 <Plugh> Doing too many things. I should have walked away earlier to clear my head.
2015-09-14 22:24 <Plugh> Trying a fresh startup again. This time I do have all the migration steps in place that it needs to do. I've also got it set for Warp3D.
2015-09-14 22:24 <Plugh> Oh. It looks to me like the migration steps that fail are due to case sensitivity on the table names.
2015-09-14 22:26 <Plugh> userfriends, and users, 
2015-09-14 22:26 <Ubit> possible diferent mySql versions with diferent "sensibilities" ?
2015-09-14 22:28 <Plugh> MySQL 5.5.44
2015-09-14 22:28 <Plugh> under Linux Mint 17.2
2015-09-14 22:32 <Melanie_T> LightDrake: The opensim server uses the c# time classes, which build on system time.
2015-09-14 22:32 <Melanie_T> afaik, the viewer does it's own calculations to make it's time be PST
2015-09-14 22:32 <Melanie_T> one of the reasons why running a grid at something other than PST isn't practical
2015-09-14 22:33 <Melanie_T> so, is the sim's time system time, yes. is it a time_t, no.
2015-09-14 22:33 <Plugh> ok, seems like those migration failures are ok for first time start. 
2015-09-14 22:39 <Plugh> dinner time. bbl.
2015-09-14 22:40 <Ubit> file is == to master, except migration 51
2015-09-14 22:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #4328 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-09-14 22:51 <diva> Ubit are you commiting this to master?
2015-09-14 22:51 <Melanie_T> diva: cia says avinationmerge
2015-09-14 22:51 <Ubit> ajlduarte avinationmerge <---
2015-09-14 22:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4328: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4328/
2015-09-14 22:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  my first commit
2015-09-14 22:51 <Ubit> first was in master yes
2015-09-14 22:51 <Melanie_T> the master commit was him adding himself
2015-09-14 22:52 <diva> oh ok
2015-09-14 22:52 <diva> my colors threw me off
2015-09-14 22:53 <Ubit> ok those where the easy ones :)
2015-09-14 22:54 <LightDrake> Melanie_T: But for storing to database shoulnd't it be unix time? :P
2015-09-14 22:54 <Melanie_T> LightDrake: it's stored as a mysql DateTime
2015-09-14 22:54 <Melanie_T> in most cases
2015-09-14 22:55 <Melanie_T> some tables, like events, store a time_t
2015-09-14 22:55 <Melanie_T> but mostly the people wantedt o keep data in the db human readable
2015-09-14 22:55 <Melanie_T> therefore datetime instead of bigint
2015-09-14 22:55 <Melanie_T> i believe that means database dates are usually localtime
2015-09-14 22:58 <LightDrake> hmmm
2015-09-14 22:59 <w-t-h> does opensim server still use db blobs?
2015-09-14 22:59 <LightDrake> I see it being stored as unix time in some places and then datetime in others heh
2015-09-14 22:59 <Melanie_T> as i said
2015-09-14 22:59 <Melanie_T> it's inconsistent
2015-09-14 23:00 <LightDrake> from what i can see though the places that store it as unix time can also be sent directly to the viewer..so thats fine i guess
2015-09-14 23:13 <Plugh> I have a standalone copy of the avnmerge branch now running and I've logged in to it. I'll run more tests later tonight. I'm going to head out for a walk before it gets dark (which is pretty soon now with it being later in the year).
2015-09-14 23:13 <Ubit> have fun :)
2015-09-14 23:14 <Plugh> Just had to switch myself to the male version of Ruth before I logged out again. :)
2015-09-14 23:14 <Ubit> :)
2015-09-14 23:21 <Ubit> ohh i already had av_density hardcode on ubOde to avoid changes outside the values that let the motors converge
2015-09-14 23:22 <Ubit> same for several of the settings for ode on the ini files..
2015-09-14 23:38 <Ubit> ( reason is bc they aren't really "indenpendent" variables, but close related to  timestep, mass etc )
2015-09-14 23:39 <Ubit> ( and some of the "motors" have stabilty regions..   unstable outside them )
2015-09-14 23:41 <osmantis> Bug #7725:04 Current Outfit folder and Current Appearance Issues (Firestorm) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7725 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-09-15 00:10 <Plugh> hehe... "The avatar has left the building". It just doesn't say which one.
2015-09-15 00:11 <Ubit> they one where that shows up ? :)
2015-09-15 00:14 <Plugh> If more than one was logging out at the same time you wouldn't know for sure which one just left.
2015-09-15 00:15 <Plugh> hm... People search (using ossearch?) seems broken.
2015-09-15 00:15 <Melanie_T> that was a debugging message from where we had ghosts sticking around
2015-09-15 00:15 <Melanie_T> it was just never removed
2015-09-15 00:15 <Melanie_T> it's literally the last thing called in a scene presence teardown
2015-09-15 00:16 <Plugh> ok. It might not know the avatar name by the time it outputs that message.
2015-09-15 00:16 <Melanie_T> has only the uuid iirc
2015-09-15 00:16 <Melanie_T> but i find it helpful to keep 
2015-09-15 00:16 <Melanie_T> because if it's seen it means teardown was successful
2015-09-15 00:16 <Melanie_T> sort of a manual regression test
2015-09-15 00:16 <Plugh> 
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2015-09-15 00:17 <Plugh> hm... the field active is missing. Now I have o find out what is trying to access that column and from what database and table.
2015-09-15 00:18 <Ubit> active ?
2015-09-15 00:18 <Plugh> yeah.
2015-09-15 00:18 <Plugh> [LLCLIENTVIEW]: Caught exception while processing OpenMetaverse.Packets.DirFindQueryPacket for Andrew Hellershanks  MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlException: Unknown column 'active' in 'where clause'
2015-09-15 00:18 <Plugh>   at MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlStream.ReadPacket () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
2015-09-15 00:18 <Plugh>   at MySql.Data.MySqlClient.NativeDriver.GetResult (System.Int32& affectedRow, System.Int32& insertedId) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
2015-09-15 00:19 <Plugh> I was doing a people search.
2015-09-15 00:19 <Melanie_T> you need to add the active field to UserAccounts
2015-09-15 00:19 <Melanie_T> active integer not null default 1
2015-09-15 00:19 <Plugh> ok, so that is another migration step that is missing.
2015-09-15 00:19 <Melanie_T> if set to 0, that user is not shown in searches and groups
2015-09-15 00:19 <Melanie_T> same as LL does when permabanning someone
2015-09-15 00:20 <Melanie_T> of course, core groups do not use it
2015-09-15 00:20 <Melanie_T> but can be changed to
2015-09-15 00:22 <Plugh> ty. That fixed the issue.
2015-09-15 00:22 <Ubit> i missed that one?
2015-09-15 00:22 <Melanie_T> yes you did
2015-09-15 00:22 <Ubit> oops
2015-09-15 00:23 <Plugh> Ubit -> ALTER TABLE `UserAccounts` ADD `active` INT NOT NULL DEFAULT '1';
2015-09-15 00:23 <Melanie_T> we'll probably run into a few others
2015-09-15 00:23 <Melanie_T> avination's own table has over 10 fields more
2015-09-15 00:23 <Melanie_T> but they are written and read by the database
2015-09-15 00:24 <Plugh> 10? wow.
2015-09-15 00:24 <Melanie_T> erm
2015-09-15 00:24 <Melanie_T> the website
2015-09-15 00:24 <Ubit> well i compared the mysql files ...
2015-09-15 00:24 <Melanie_T> Plugh: yes. that table can be extended without problems in opensim
2015-09-15 00:24 <Melanie_T> so we just added the fields needed for SSO, money, atc
2015-09-15 00:26 <Plugh> Ubit: np. That is why we are testing things. :)
2015-09-15 00:26 <Plugh> I'm not seeing multiple results from search.
2015-09-15 00:29 <Plugh> hm... fail. Not sure if this is an os thing or viewer. I have it set to cost $25 to create a group but my avatar has no money. After I said apply it failed to create a group (as expected) but the reason given was that a group of the same name already exists. My groups tables are empty so there can't be a duplicate.
2015-09-15 00:30 <Plugh> oh. It was supposed to be empty. :P
2015-09-15 00:39 <Melanie_T> Plugh: we can't hel you with that
2015-09-15 00:39 <Melanie_T> i don't know if core groups supports fees
2015-09-15 00:40 <Melanie_T> but most of all we don't know your money module
2015-09-15 00:40 <Plugh> That's ok. I'm not using core groups.
2015-09-15 00:40 <Plugh> I was testing to see what would happen when a fee was required to make a group and I have no moeny.
2015-09-15 00:48 <Plugh> It works as it should.
2015-09-15 00:52 <Ubit> :)
2015-09-15 01:14 <Melanie_T> since it just got mentioned in private - ubOde brings properly working unscripted sitting
2015-09-15 01:14 <Melanie_T> and the merge brings not only vehicle crossings, but also working parcel bans and parcel privacy
2015-09-15 01:15 <Ubit> and disturbing collision sounds :)
2015-09-15 01:16 <Ubit> ( well first settings where a bit disturbing :) )
2015-09-15 01:16 <Melanie_T> and 0.5m stair climbing
2015-09-15 01:16 <Ubit> yeap with ubOde only
2015-09-15 01:16 <Melanie_T> of course
2015-09-15 01:17 <Ubit> hmm sounds not sure.. should work also with bullet
2015-09-15 01:18 <Ubit> err ubOde does send collision "energy"
2015-09-15 01:39 <Plugh> hm... group creation didn't happen. I will need to dig in to that a bit more.
2015-09-15 01:42 <Plugh> map tiles are now showing up.
2015-09-15 01:42 <Plugh> um... now -> not
2015-09-15 01:42 <Plugh> I see nothing on the map but water.
2015-09-15 01:43 <Ubit> hmm worked on my testgrid
2015-09-15 01:43 <Ubit> on = ok
2015-09-15 01:49 <Plugh> nebadon: ping
2015-09-15 02:13 <nebadon> hey Plugh
2015-09-15 02:13 <nebadon> whats up?
2015-09-15 02:14 <Plugh> I just learned you have an ancient version of ossearch (and osprofile?) as downloadable zip's on the osgrid site.
2015-09-15 02:14 <Plugh> You have r206 of ossearch and latest would be r220 if it was still in svn.
2015-09-15 02:15 <Plugh> You need at least r218 (git hash f54440fc00da4ed89c7ed139a4799a7ab13ea7a6) to compile it and use it with 0.8.1-post-fixes.
2015-09-15 02:16 <Plugh> For osprofile you need at last r130 (git hash ac19665f2406d8809ec59f8eeb6fd0471bb4d9cb)
2015-09-15 02:18 <Plugh> nebadon: You should update those zip files when you have time.
2015-09-15 02:18 <nebadon> ok danbanner you seeing this?
2015-09-15 02:19 <danbanner> hey
2015-09-15 02:20 <danbanner> thanks plugh, i'll get it fixed up this weekend
2015-09-15 02:20 <danbanner> you still have the source on svn?
2015-09-15 02:20 <Plugh> sounds good. ty
2015-09-15 02:21 <danbanner> oops, nope
2015-09-15 02:21 <Plugh> The SVN repos went when the old forge site shut down. The sources are in git on the new forge server.
2015-09-15 02:21 <danbanner> ahh okay
2015-09-15 02:21 <Plugh> git clone http://forge.opensimulator.org/git/kcozens/OpenSimSearch.git and http://forge.opensimulator.org/git/kcozens/OpenSimProfile.git
2015-09-15 02:21 <nebadon> cool thanks guys :)
2015-09-15 02:21 <Plugh> yw
2015-09-15 02:22 <danbanner> looks like http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OpenSimSearch needs to be updated too
2015-09-15 02:22 <nebadon> ah ya
2015-09-15 02:23 <nebadon> probably a bit of that on the wiki at the moment
2015-09-15 02:23 <nebadon> anything that pointed to old forge
2015-09-15 02:23 <nebadon> Melanie_T ping
2015-09-15 02:23 <nebadon> can you make a rewrite rule
2015-09-15 02:24 <nebadon> that would force old url like this http://forge.opensimulator.org/gf/project/ossearch/
2015-09-15 02:24 <nebadon> even if it just pointed to the root of the new gitbucket page
2015-09-15 02:24 <nebadon> just so its not a dead page
2015-09-15 02:27 <danbanner> plugh this code runs on 0.8.2 fine?
2015-09-15 02:29 <Ubit> the one on osg bin fails..  module is not compatible
2015-09-15 02:30 <danbanner> ubit http://download.osgrid.org/OpenSimProfile_svn_r125-mod.zip was modified to work on 0.8.2 because plugh's pc was dead at the time
2015-09-15 02:32 <Ubit> profile works dan
2015-09-15 02:32 <Ubit> its search
2015-09-15 02:32 <Ubit> r206-mod
2015-09-15 02:33 <danbanner> 206-mod is whats working on 0.8.2 
2015-09-15 02:33 <danbanner> maybe its broke now idk, i'll add the new modules
2015-09-15 02:33 <Ubit> the profile seems fine..  search smokes loading the module
2015-09-15 02:34 <Plugh> danbanner: I updated the wiki page
2015-09-15 02:34 <danbanner> cool thanks
2015-09-15 02:34 <danbanner> i already cloned the modules
2015-09-15 02:35 <Plugh> danbanner: The latest code in the repo works with 0.8.1-post-fixes. There has been no changes in OS that should prevent it from working in more recent code, AFAIK. 
2015-09-15 02:35 <danbanner> ok, i cant remember when diva made those changes to modules
2015-09-15 02:35 <Plugh> Ubit, I'm surprised that the old profile code works as it would need the updated assembly stuff for latest method of loading modules.
2015-09-15 02:36 <Plugh> yea, I noticed you the "-mod" in the file name. I don't know what that means.
2015-09-15 02:36 <Plugh> s/you//
2015-09-15 02:36 <danbanner> ya that was to make it work on 0.8.2
2015-09-15 02:36 <danbanner> i have to change a line or two
2015-09-15 02:37 <Plugh> ok
2015-09-15 02:38 <Plugh> yea, the main change was the assembly statements at the top of the file. There were 2 now there is 4.
2015-09-15 02:38 <Plugh> Version number has been bumped.
2015-09-15 02:40 <Plugh> Nuts. The wiki page for osprofile also needs updating. No real surprise there.
2015-09-15 02:42 <danbanner> so ossearch commit e4864fceea6d8345ea68fd4f52327648cb3949d6 is r220 right?
2015-09-15 02:45 <danbanner> okay i added the zips of the source to download.osgrid.org
2015-09-15 02:46 <danbanner> i'll get the rest updated this weekend
2015-09-15 02:47 <Plugh> Profile wiki page has been updated.
2015-09-15 02:48 <Plugh> danbanner: correct.
2015-09-15 02:48 <danbanner> ya i got r220 and r132
2015-09-15 02:48 <danbanner> got it figured out thanks
2015-09-15 02:48 <Plugh> Those are the right ones.
2015-09-15 02:48 <Plugh> yw
2015-09-15 02:56 <osmantis> Bug #7712:04 Textures won't load and often cause me to crash out of opensim altogether. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7712 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-15 02:58 <Plugh> carp. I was about to do something and I forgot what it was.
2015-09-15 02:58 <Plugh> oh, change the map tile generator I'm using.
2015-09-15 02:58 <Ubit> :)
2015-09-15 03:00 <Plugh> Still no map tiles. I'll have another look at it tomorrow. Perhaps I forgot to change a setting somewhere. Should have been ok as I compared my inis against latest .example ones to bring things up to date. My config had working tiles in 0.8.0 and 0.8.1, AFAICR.
2015-09-15 03:01 <Plugh> I will test that now...
2015-09-15 03:02 <Plugh> 
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2015-09-15 03:02 <Plugh> 
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2015-09-15 03:02 <Ubit> hmm mines are a mess :)
2015-09-15 03:03 <Plugh> i have a map tile in 0.8.0PF with warp3D enabled.
2015-09-15 03:03 <Ubit> i even see the prims :p
2015-09-15 03:04 <Ubit> at osg
2015-09-15 03:10 <Plugh> Still no map.
2015-09-15 03:15 <Plugh> No map tile in git master. I think the problem is that a setting is now commented out by default in the Defaults file.
2015-09-15 03:16 <Ubit> well im also using a mix of old inis with new entries
2015-09-15 03:18 <Plugh> My inis are up to date against the .examples
2015-09-15 03:19 <Ubit> ok let me try that 2
2015-09-15 03:20 <Ubit> errr hard  to config for osgrid from the examples :)
2015-09-15 03:21 <Plugh> I've been keeping my inis close to .example so it is easier to do diffs against newer releases to check for ini changes.
2015-09-15 03:21 <Plugh> ok, I'm done working on this for today. I was supposed to have stopped a few hours ago as I wanted to work on a 3D model or two.
2015-09-15 03:35 <Ubit> updated  opensim.ini to be like example, and i do have map :(
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2015-09-15 10:03 <H-H-H> ok using avinationmerge i cant hg to osgrid as it says unable to verify identity wheras before i used to be able to with the same setup on normal opensim
2015-09-15 13:14 <Steven_Z> Hello. I am working with the MOSES team developing PhysX plugin for OpenSim. I am having an issue with position updates, where an object seems to continue moving in the OpenSim world at a very slow pace regardless of collisions. I can confirm that PhysX is reporting that the object has stopped moving as the visual debugger shows the object as inactive. So I am looking for any place where OpenSim updates the position or velocit
2015-09-15 13:21 <LiruCookies> Steven_Z: Looks like you got cut off, there.
2015-09-15 13:25 <Ubit> updates path is a bit long..
2015-09-15 13:26 <Steven_Z> Where did it leave off? The entire message appears on my screen.
2015-09-15 13:27 <Ubit> in phsycs you request a update,  that changes postion etc, and flags the part has needing a update
2015-09-15 13:30 <Ubit> SceneObjectPart public void SendScheduledUpdates() will eventually be called to send it
2015-09-15 13:33 <Steven_Z> This is the update being sent by the physics engine to OpenSim. Then OpenSim seems to be adjusting the position of the object probably based on velocity without telling the physics engine.
2015-09-15 13:33 <Ubit> opensim should not do that
2015-09-15 13:34 <Ubit> well  take a look to the old ODE plugin for reference
2015-09-15 13:34 <Ubit> guess a bit easier to read than bullet :)
2015-09-15 13:35 <Steven_Z> Actually Ubit thank you. I just noticed what is causing the problem. I think Firestorm is dead reckoning based on the last velocity given so OpenSim has no knowledge of the change, which is why I couldn't find it.
2015-09-15 13:35 <Ubit> oh?
2015-09-15 13:36 <Ubit> another issue..
2015-09-15 13:36 <Ubit> i in master branch there is code about stats
2015-09-15 13:36 <Ubit> done by yr team...
2015-09-15 13:36 <Ubit> know that ?
2015-09-15 13:37 <Steven_Z> Yes I did work on those stats, which one is giving you trouble.
2015-09-15 13:37 <Ubit> well you usesed stats IDs already in use by ll
2015-09-15 13:38 <Ubit> used..
2015-09-15 13:38 <Ubit> and a few other things..
2015-09-15 13:38 <Ubit> in the branch avinationmerge i changed all that ...
2015-09-15 13:39 <Ubit> removed your extra timing measurement at  heartbeat
2015-09-15 13:39 <Ubit> but increased the resolution of the standard ones
2015-09-15 13:39 <Ubit> also Stopwatch time resolution...
2015-09-15 13:40 <Ubit> well moved things around, so yr extra stats should still show up, but not on viewer
2015-09-15 13:40 <Steven_Z> How can you increase the resolution of the standard ones when they are based on how often the CPU updates it's internal clock.
2015-09-15 13:41 <Ubit> replaced the enviromenttick  by a high resolution timestamp
2015-09-15 13:41 <Ubit> basicly made them be like stopwatch
2015-09-15 13:42 <Ubit> also didn't include the moving avarage..
2015-09-15 13:43 <Ubit> that can be added, or another filter ..
2015-09-15 13:44 <Ubit> or you can added it at yr client side...
2015-09-15 13:44 <Ubit> well when u have the time.. check it and let me know
2015-09-15 13:54 <Steven_Z> I will take a look when I get a chance.
2015-09-15 13:55 <orenh> Steven_Z, a while back I added a class called MetricsCollectorTime that calculates a moving sum. It can easily be extended to calculate a moving average as well. See http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Performance#General_Tips
2015-09-15 14:57 <Ubit> hi Plugh
2015-09-15 14:57 <Plugh> Morning, Ubit.
2015-09-15 14:58 <Ubit> morning 2 u 2
2015-09-15 14:58 <Ubit> i made another fresh copy from avnmerge git,  compiled  and made inis from the examples
2015-09-15 14:59 <Ubit> with the necessary local changes.. also made a clean  database for the region
2015-09-15 14:59 <Ubit> fired standalone...   cleared viewer cache.. and all workd
2015-09-15 15:00 <Ubit> im there as male ruth.. have map  and collision sounds
2015-09-15 15:00 <Ubit> (512m region )
2015-09-15 15:01 <Ubit> only seem same migration errors.. all old things
2015-09-15 15:02 <Ubit> ( hmmmm someone should change some of this sounds :) )
2015-09-15 15:03 <Plugh> I'm fixing my configs for 081, master, and merge. I needed a separate Const entry for WebURL in addition to BaseURL.
2015-09-15 15:03 <Ubit> ok
2015-09-15 15:03 <Ubit> but in win i don't repo the problems with map you had
2015-09-15 15:04 <Ubit> hmm /me wonders what is HG and how its supposed to be used...
2015-09-15 15:04 <Ubit> ;)
2015-09-15 15:05 <Plugh> The map problems were a config issue. That's why I'm using WebURL and BaseURL now. The one doesn't cut it for me.
2015-09-15 15:05 <Ubit> ok
2015-09-15 15:05 <Plugh> I have separate sections of my website for the different versions of standalone.
2015-09-15 15:06 <Plugh> so I need different URLs that point to the appropriate webserver section while still needing a common BaseURL.
2015-09-15 15:06 <Ubit> hmm guess to test HG  a ip of 127...  will not work
2015-09-15 15:07 <H-H-H> lol
2015-09-15 15:07 <H-H-H> ubit i set up a hg with avinationmerge and couldnt tp as it said unable to verify identity
2015-09-15 15:08 <Ubit> yeap i fear hg is in bad shape
2015-09-15 15:08 <H-H-H> that was as far as i got although im not sure if that was a config error
2015-09-15 15:10 <Ubit> errr
2015-09-15 15:11 <Ubit> well the plugings failed to load.. cool
2015-09-15 15:13 <Ubit> mm
2015-09-15 15:13 <Ubit> 2015-09-15 16:12:13,959 WARN  (10) - OpenSim.Services.GridService.HypergridLinker [HYPERGRID LINKER]: Malformed URL in [GridService], variable Gatekeeper =  ?
2015-09-15 15:17 <Plugh> I have the map in all my copies of SA.
2015-09-15 15:17 <Ubit> ok load fail was just that ...   stock ini fails, we need to uncoment the gatekeeper
2015-09-15 15:20 <Ubit> hmmm where is the hg manual? lol
2015-09-15 15:20 <Ubit> ( how do i tp elsewhere? )
2015-09-15 15:25 <Plugh> You need a URL of another grid with HG support. :)
2015-09-15 15:25 <Ubit> lbsa
2015-09-15 15:25 <Ubit> but..
2015-09-15 15:26 <Ubit> [GATEKEEPER SERVICE CONNECTOR]: Exception Invalid URI: Invalid port s..
2015-09-15 15:26 <Plugh> I still don't have groups configured right in my merge install. :P
2015-09-15 15:30 <Ubit> hmm xmlrpc is a external lib right?
2015-09-15 15:33 <Plugh> If you are using the xmlrpc web based groups you need phpxmlrpclib
2015-09-15 15:33 <Ubit> its hg
2015-09-15 15:34 <Plugh> I fixed my group creation issue. I had to set $groupRequireAgentAuthForWrite to false.
2015-09-15 15:34 <Plugh> Doesn't seem to work in SA mode.
2015-09-15 15:35 <Plugh> I don't know much about HG for OS. I don't tend to use it myself and don't have anything set up locally for testing i.
2015-09-15 15:35 <Plugh> s/i./it./
2015-09-15 15:36 <Ubit> just testing to see f i can fix any bad avn code on the merge
2015-09-15 15:36 <Plugh> I do have someone asking me to enable HG on their grid. AFAICT I just have to include a different ini from OS.ini and everything else is already done.
2015-09-15 15:37 <Plugh> 
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2015-09-15 15:37 <Ubit> well im at the point of having a uri that doesn't fail lol
2015-09-15 15:37 <Plugh> Does the code dump include any support for mutelists?
2015-09-15 15:38 <Ubit> no ideia
2015-09-15 15:38 <Plugh> ok. I'll search the change log and see if there is any mention of it.
2015-09-15 15:40 <Ubit> ok it doesnt like :80:lbsa
2015-09-15 15:40 <Plugh> I don't see anything about mute changes
2015-09-15 15:40 <Plugh> Isn't it LBSA Plaza?
2015-09-15 15:41 <Ubit> yeap  but fails  the xmlrpc fails reading the port
2015-09-15 15:41 <Plugh> oh
2015-09-15 15:41 <Ubit> :80  worked there
2015-09-15 15:42 <Ubit> i died somewhere else :)
2015-09-15 15:43 <Ubit> bahh the wearablessss
2015-09-15 15:43 <Plugh> Let me see if I can get a grid mode set up running. I had the setup files at one point. If I can do that I should be able to HG enable it easily.
2015-09-15 15:43 <Plugh> Although there is a standalone HG version. Perhaps I should try that first.
2015-09-15 15:47 <Plugh> oh, crap. There is a number of other things I need to enable/change for full HG support. :P
2015-09-15 15:52 <Ubit> ok tp to osgrid worked
2015-09-15 15:52 <Ubit> just i could not say the region  
2015-09-15 15:53 <Ubit> the :Lbsa after the port made the external thing fail
2015-09-15 15:54 <Ubit> hmm users UserUMMAU around..
2015-09-15 15:55 <Ubit> hmm i should see a hg regions map no ?
2015-09-15 15:57 <Ubit> hmm my original region shows on map.. but invalid
2015-09-15 15:58 <Ubit> mummmmy i can't get homeeee
2015-09-15 16:03 <Plugh> brb
2015-09-15 16:07 <jakdaniels> does anyone know why opensim requires /usr/lib/libMonoPosixHelper.so and why it looks in /usr/lib and not /usr/lib64 on a 64bit machine?
2015-09-15 16:12 <Plugh> Ubit, I rebooted my machine to get my speakers working again. I still hear no sound when I drop a physical prim.
2015-09-15 16:13 <Plugh> Is there a config setting I need to change or do I need additional sound files?
2015-09-15 16:13 <Ubit> works fine here :(
2015-09-15 16:13 <Ubit> nopes i just used freshs inis from the examples
2015-09-15 16:14 <Ubit> ( but those sounds could have a disable.. can be anoying )
2015-09-15 16:14 <Plugh> How would you enable/disable them?
2015-09-15 16:15 <Plugh> Viewer setting? OS setting?
2015-09-15 16:15 <Ubit> dont remember.. done that yrs ago
2015-09-15 16:15 <Plugh> k
2015-09-15 16:15 <Ubit> but a bool somewhere,  used at the collisionSounds.cs
2015-09-15 16:15 <jakdaniels>  /usr/lib/libMonoPosixHelper.so is called by Mono.Security.dll which is an included library fro PGSQL. On my 64 bit system the .so is in /usr/lib64 . Is Mono.Security.dll 32 bit only?
2015-09-15 16:16 <jakdaniels> I can symlink it to make this error go away:
2015-09-15 16:16 <jakdaniels> [BASE HTTP SERVER]: HandleRequest() threw exception System.DllNotFoundException: /usr/lib/libMonoPosixHelper.so
2015-09-15 16:16 <jakdaniels> but am I mixing 32bit/64bit dlls now?
2015-09-15 16:20 <Ubit> ( do u have ambient sounds enabled on viewer Plugh ? :) )
2015-09-15 16:21 <Plugh> Yes, and I turned it up to max.
2015-09-15 16:21 <Ubit> well actually i don't send them as those collision sounds hmm )
2015-09-15 16:21 <Plugh> What viewer are you using?
2015-09-15 16:21 <Ubit> fs
2015-09-15 16:22 <Plugh> I'll try that and see if it makes a difference.
2015-09-15 16:23 <Plugh> Sheesh... it took forever to login
2015-09-15 16:24 <Melanie_> Plugh: the avn code for mutelists is fully functional as far as it goes. i need to check to see if actual mute lists are still a private module
2015-09-15 16:24 <Melanie_> if they re, that would be because they don't use robust, but a web server for storing data
2015-09-15 16:24 <Plugh> ok
2015-09-15 16:24 <Plugh> AFAIK, mute lists were stored locally in a text file.
2015-09-15 16:25 <Plugh> Ubit, still no sound. I'll dig through the debug settings after lunch,.
2015-09-15 16:25 <Ubit> well and i have them with singu also :)
2015-09-15 16:28 <Plugh> Ubit, I just saw a toggle in FS for playing collision sounds. I do have it enabled.
2015-09-15 16:29 <Ubit> thats a fs thing.. don't see it on singu
2015-09-15 16:30 <Plugh> nope. No collision sound when I drop a physical default cube on to the mound that is the small bit of land I'm standing on.
2015-09-15 16:38 <Plugh> hm... I have an opensim events module and I have no idea where I got it.
2015-09-15 16:39 <Plugh> oh. Might have been something I tossed together :)
2015-09-15 16:42 <Plugh> yea, It just lets you add/remove event notification requests from a database. That was as far as I got with it.
2015-09-15 16:44 <H-H-H> interesting is it up anywhere ?
2015-09-15 16:45 <Ubit> bahh docs on web seem wrong
2015-09-15 16:45 <Ubit> its not 80:lbsa  but 80/lbsa
2015-09-15 16:46 <AliciaRaven> Ubit, there is more than one format in use for hg uri
2015-09-15 16:46 <H-H-H> guess not then Plugh
2015-09-15 16:46 <Ubit> well the  port:region failed badly
2015-09-15 16:47 <AliciaRaven> also, finding a format that works well between all viewers is imposible lol
2015-09-15 16:47 <H-H-H> hg.osgrid.org:80:WestHall
2015-09-15 16:47 <H-H-H> that url works as i use it to go osgrid from my hg SA
2015-09-15 16:47 -!- AliciaRaven(~AliciaRav@host86-153-254-140.range86-153.btcentralplus.com) has left #opensim-dev
2015-09-15 16:47 <Ubit> it is not viewe alicia  i see what i type reaching the external module.. mb in missing some extra parsion master has now
2015-09-15 16:48 <Ubit> ..parsing..
2015-09-15 16:49 <H-H-H> ubit that url i posted works in master and gave me an unable to verify on avinationmerge
2015-09-15 16:49 <Ubit> ok im comparing code paths
2015-09-15 16:51 <Plugh> H-H-H: Not yet. I have just it on my own machine. It doesn't do anything useful yet.
2015-09-15 16:52 <Plugh> It lets you request or remove requests to be notified of events to a database but it doesn't do anything beyond that.
2015-09-15 16:55 <Plugh> lunch time. bbl.
2015-09-15 17:28 <Ubit> ok... after fight with sintaxe, tp kinda works on hg
2015-09-15 17:32 <Ubit> just odd things like doesn't find lbsa, needs to be lbsa plaza.. etc
2015-09-15 17:34 <H-H-H> i had trouble with lbsa even on normal opensim
2015-09-15 17:35 <H-H-H> telling me it couldnt find it then once i was on osgrid i could tp straight to it
2015-09-15 17:35 <Ubit> yeap mb hg search is "harder"
2015-09-15 17:44 <Plugh> hm... I was able to say I wanted to mute an object but the option to unmute it is disabled.
2015-09-15 18:09 <Plugh> nebadon: meeting time
2015-09-15 18:14 <H-H-H> where is it again Plugh
2015-09-15 18:14 <MarcusLlewellyn> He's dead, Jim.
2015-09-15 18:14 <MarcusLlewellyn> You get his watch. I'll get his wallet.
2015-09-15 18:14 <Plugh> :)
2015-09-15 18:15 <Plugh> H-H-H: Wright Plaza in osgrid. Second floor of the building you will be standing beside when you arrive.
2015-09-15 18:16 <H-H-H> am there now ty
2015-09-15 18:17 <Plugh> yw
2015-09-15 18:19 <nebadon> doh sorry guys running late
2015-09-15 18:19 <nebadon> on my way in now
2015-09-15 18:19 <Plugh> np
2015-09-15 18:19 <nebadon> ran out to store thinking I had enough time, took way longer than expected
2015-09-15 18:22 <nebadon> bah i crashed
2015-09-15 18:23 <nebadon> trouble getting back, almost there
2015-09-15 18:24 <nebadon> Plugh I dont seem able to get back :/
2015-09-15 18:25 <nebadon> i'll keep trying let everyone know I guess
2015-09-15 18:25 <nebadon> I think i need to reboot machine
2015-09-15 18:25 <nebadon> I think blender + viewer = hard opengl crash that i cant recover from
2015-09-15 18:25 <nebadon> i'll another 10 minutes or so closing and rebooting
2015-09-15 18:26 <MarcusLlewellyn> I've had a few video instability issues since my Win10 upgrade.
2015-09-15 18:26 <Plugh> I have.
2015-09-15 18:27 <nebadon> let me try from this machine
2015-09-15 18:27 <nebadon> oh damn no viewers oh well
2015-09-15 18:27 <nebadon> machine is almost rebooted
2015-09-15 19:35 <nebadon> Ubit Sisyphus is updated
2015-09-15 19:36 <nebadon> i logged in to test, seems fine so far
2015-09-15 19:36 <nebadon> I wont have time for more testing until after I get some more modeling work done
2015-09-15 19:37 <nebadon> wierd a couple of very large prims seem like they are moved and in wrong place
2015-09-15 19:37 <nebadon> might be unrelated, the anyone can move box is not checked
2015-09-15 19:37 <nebadon> i defiitely did not move them
2015-09-15 19:37 <nebadon> the rest of the sim seems fine though
2015-09-15 19:41 <weezle> hello i nned some help with something i am trying to write a module that uses public Hashtable ServerReleaseNotes(Hashtable m_dhttpMethod, UUID agentID, UUID capuuid)
2015-09-15 19:41 <weezle> woops that was an example im working off of
2015-09-15 19:42 <weezle> Hashtable fbc(Hashtable m_dhttpMethod, UUID agentID, UUID capuuid)
2015-09-15 19:42 <weezle> how do i get the path that was called in the request?
2015-09-15 21:26 <diva> Ubit do vehicle crossings work in the avinatiomerge branch?
2015-09-15 21:27 <Ubit> yeap with ubODE
2015-09-15 21:27 <Ubit> Xengine issue was fixed
2015-09-15 21:27 <diva> great
2015-09-15 21:27 <Ubit> now lag is harder to fix :)
2015-09-15 21:27 <diva> in osgrid?
2015-09-15 21:27 <Ubit> yeap
2015-09-15 21:28 <Ubit> my testsims to osgrid, others maybe be a lot better
2015-09-15 21:28 <diva> yeah, I would not expect miracles there
2015-09-15 21:28 <Ubit> well we can work more on that
2015-09-15 21:28 <diva> and the migrations are now ok for me to try this out?
2015-09-15 21:28 <Ubit> 2 much grid calls still on that
2015-09-15 21:29 <Ubit> its working for me..
2015-09-15 21:29 <Ubit> HG well not really :)
2015-09-15 21:31 <Ubit> well i can tp now and rez a prim :)
2015-09-15 21:31 <Ubit> hmm but ends up on objects  odd
2015-09-15 21:32 <diva> I won't have time to test this properly until the weekend. Im traveling long distance in the next couple of days
2015-09-15 21:32 <Ubit> ok
2015-09-15 21:32 <Ubit> im just trying to catch obvius things like this ones
2015-09-15 21:33 <Ubit> bullet should also be easy to cross vheicles
2015-09-15 21:34 <Ubit> on crossing mb we can merge some of the http calls, both to grid and btw regions
2015-09-15 21:34 <Ubit> there are just 2 many
2015-09-15 21:37 <diva> let's fix the obviously broken things first before we tackle improvements
2015-09-15 21:37 <Ubit> :)
2015-09-15 21:38 <diva> improvements can be made after this proves to be solid enough to be merged with master
2015-09-15 21:38 <Ubit> sure
2015-09-15 21:39 <lkalif> i guess now that the migration is in it can be merged into master?
2015-09-15 21:39 <diva> I don't think anyone has any substantial changes to master in the next couple of weeks, so this is the right time to make this branch solid in every configuration that wasn't used in AVN
2015-09-15 21:39 <diva> lkalif before that happens I would like to be sure that the different configurations all work fine
2015-09-15 21:40 <diva> things like HG and standalone
2015-09-15 21:40 <Ubit> things that avn didn't had..
2015-09-15 21:40 <weezle> anyway to get the request path from a RestHTTPHandler hashtable request
2015-09-15 21:40 <lkalif> ok, but keep merging from master to avination branch in the meanwhile
2015-09-15 21:41 <diva> yes. And doesn't break existing things like Bullet
2015-09-15 21:41 <Ubit> bullet should ok
2015-09-15 21:41 <diva> also permissions
2015-09-15 21:42 <diva> I should probably make a list of things that should be thouroughly tested...
2015-09-15 21:42 <diva> I'll be away for the next few days, but others could test these things
2015-09-15 21:44 <lkalif> yeah I'm worried about permissions¨
2015-09-15 21:45 <lkalif> there was some disagreement on how that should be handled and core and avn diverged
2015-09-15 21:46 <diva> I don't care how it works; it just needs to work in a sane manner; nothing bad should happen
2015-09-15 21:47 <lkalif>  people care if behaviour changes
2015-09-15 21:47 <lkalif> opensim traditionally has been less restrictive
2015-09-15 21:48 <lkalif> turning into full SL mode or even more restrictive might not be a popular move
2015-09-15 21:49 <diva> yeah
2015-09-15 21:49 <diva> +1 for preserving sane behavior that has been used so far
2015-09-15 21:53 <Melanie_> opensim has had SL permissions unti ljustin accepted that bad patch
2015-09-15 21:53 <Melanie_> the thing that is different in opensim is that objects are created full perm
2015-09-15 21:54 <Melanie_> and have to be reduced by the user if desired
2015-09-15 21:54 <Melanie_> while avination creates objects with the same perms as SL
2015-09-15 21:54 <Melanie_> so people wanting to make full perms have to expand them
2015-09-15 21:54 <Melanie_> behaviors of permissions, like propagation and slam, should be like SL
2015-09-15 21:55 <Melanie_> opensim allows some flags to relax that
2015-09-15 21:55 <Melanie_> and those have been preserved in avination code
2015-09-15 21:55 <Melanie_> so should not have broken
2015-09-15 21:55 <lkalif>   sl allowss you to set a default
2015-09-15 21:55 <Melanie_> newer viewers have that option
2015-09-15 21:55 <lkalif> so there is no default
2015-09-15 21:55 <Melanie_> i don't know if it's the viewer doing it or if sl does it serverside
2015-09-15 21:55 <Melanie_> but it should honor the default the user set
2015-09-15 21:55 <lkalif> no... they actually allow to set the default
2015-09-15 21:56 <Melanie_> everything else would be broken
2015-09-15 21:56 <lkalif> stored simside
2015-09-15 21:56 <Melanie_> nice
2015-09-15 21:56 <Melanie_> when i stopped working in sl it wasn't so but everyone wanted it
2015-09-15 21:57 <lkalif> most people want how opensim works now
2015-09-15 21:57 <Melanie_> that is having a default of full perm no matter what the viewer says
2015-09-15 21:57 <Melanie_> that is opensim works now
2015-09-15 21:57 <lkalif> full perm by default othereise accidents happen
2015-09-15 21:58 <Melanie_> we don't want to disrupt the users with this merge
2015-09-15 21:58 <Melanie_> it's to enhance not to force a direction
2015-09-15 21:59 <lkalif> I don't understand what you intend to do? Revert justin's "bad patch"?
2015-09-15 21:59 <Melanie_> it's not justin's
2015-09-15 21:59 <Melanie_> he let it in without checking
2015-09-15 22:00 <lkalif> he comitted it
2015-09-15 22:00 <lkalif> same question
2015-09-15 22:00 <Melanie_> and yes the intention is to get opensim back to where it was before the patch
2015-09-15 22:00 <Melanie_> that patch causes serious losses of oerms in some cases
2015-09-15 22:00 <Melanie_> unintended, i must add
2015-09-15 22:00 <Melanie_> because it's simply buggier than a roach motel
2015-09-15 22:01 <Melanie_> permissions is something i will test and correct myself
2015-09-15 22:01 <Melanie_> i've always watched over permissions until i got ill
2015-09-15 22:01 <lkalif> In my experience the opposite approach causes more losses
2015-09-15 22:01 <Melanie_> opposite of what?
2015-09-15 22:02 <lkalif> the original sl method of all being restricted by default
2015-09-15 22:02 <Melanie_> that is not the point
2015-09-15 22:02 <Melanie_> it's not what the patch did
2015-09-15 22:02 <lkalif> kill collaborative building
2015-09-15 22:02 <Melanie_> the patch attempted to consolidate seemingly copy pasted code for permissions into a single place
2015-09-15 22:02 <Melanie_> it didn't intend functional change
2015-09-15 22:02 <Melanie_> but it was buggy
2015-09-15 22:02 <Melanie_> and that will get fixed
2015-09-15 22:03 <Melanie_> that has no efffect on default perms at all
2015-09-15 22:03 <lkalif> look into this new protocol while you are at it
2015-09-15 22:03 <Melanie_> the branch may carry the more restrictive perms default right now but that is because that part hasn't seen any integration work yet
2015-09-15 22:03 <lkalif> there is a cap to set default perms
2015-09-15 22:04 <Melanie_> before we merge it, it will be as it always was for opensim
2015-09-15 22:04 <Melanie_> and we may support the cap as an option
2015-09-15 22:04 <diva> yes. Do the new developments only after the merge with master. Let's not mix things
2015-09-15 22:04 <Melanie_> i don't see why you would call a default fullperm setting less dangerous though, but i guess that is a matter of opinion
2015-09-15 22:05 <diva> let's bring the avinationmerge master to the point where we are confidant that everything is working as before + new improvements. Then merge. Then proceed with new developments
2015-09-15 22:05 <lkalif> ¨no, a matter of experience
2015-09-15 22:05 <Melanie_> the creator who just had an "oh shit" moment when they realize they have given the new item, a weeks'work, out full perm by accident
2015-09-15 22:05 <Melanie_> i call that dangerous
2015-09-15 22:07 <lkalif> me and my girlfriend build stuff together. i have to painstakingly chechge every prim and script to full perm before i give it to her
2015-09-15 22:07 <lkalif> otherwise the whole object becomes no mod
2015-09-15 22:08 <Melanie_> well, that an object becmes no mod because a no mod item is in it is one of the bugs introduced
2015-09-15 22:08 <Melanie_> it doesn't do that in sl
2015-09-15 22:08 <Melanie_> and didnt do it in opensim before that bad patch when in
2015-09-15 22:08 <Melanie_> so that, very real, danger will get fixed
2015-09-15 22:09 <lkalif> i build stuff for the 8 years in collaboration with other people
2015-09-15 22:09 <lkalif> i have lost several items due to default being not full perm
2015-09-15 22:10 <lkalif> it's much easier to do all full perm until the product is finished and set for sale
2015-09-15 22:10 <lkalif> then you restrict it at the end
2015-09-15 22:11 <Melanie_> this is why i'm not dogmatic about this and think it's ok for opensim to be full perm by default
2015-09-15 22:11 <Melanie_> a case can be made for both views
2015-09-15 22:11 <Melanie_> so implementing the cap is the best solution all around
2015-09-15 22:13 <lkalif> i personally would like to see full perm by default be in opensim + a cao for changing the default
2015-09-15 22:13 <lkalif> cap*
2015-09-15 22:14 <lkalif> LiruCookies: is working on getting that into Singularity, already in alchemy and fs
2015-09-15 22:21 <diva> I"m going to send a message to -dev raising awareness of the avinationmerge branch
2015-09-15 22:21 <Plugh> Good idea.
2015-09-15 22:22 <Plugh> I've done a bit more filtering of the change log for it and have it down to 2,964 entries. 
2015-09-15 22:23 <Ubit> removed the added files for ubode, etc?
2015-09-15 22:23 <Plugh> Still a load of stuff to look at to see what's been changed or added.
2015-09-15 22:23 <diva> Plugh I'd be interested in seeing that erduced change log too
2015-09-15 22:23 <Plugh> no, I just removed code merges and a few duplicate style entries, and some that just said "bug fixes".
2015-09-15 22:24 <Plugh> I could pastebin it.
2015-09-15 22:24 <diva> +1
2015-09-15 22:24 <lkalif> seems that there are no major objections to r/ tags removal
2015-09-15 22:24 <diva> yeah that's another thing that we should do this week
2015-09-15 22:24 <Ubit> last time i did a diff i got 86000 lines :)
2015-09-15 22:24 <diva> and by "we" I mean Melanie :)
2015-09-15 22:25 <Melanie_> well, i would decide it if it were mine to decide
2015-09-15 22:25 <Melanie_> but i didn't hear any significant argument for keeping them
2015-09-15 22:25 <Melanie_> so shall we consider the matter decided?
2015-09-15 22:25 <diva> I didnt either. let's do it
2015-09-15 22:25 <diva> yes
2015-09-15 22:25 <lkalif> well it is a consensus on the list
2015-09-15 22:25 <Melanie_> ok
2015-09-15 22:25 <Melanie_> i'll drop them later today
2015-09-15 22:25 <Melanie_> I have the window open and the command typed up in happy anticipation
2015-09-15 22:26 <Melanie_> it's juts not on this machine....
2015-09-15 22:26 <Melanie_> so when i hit the upstairs desk, that's what i will do
2015-09-15 22:26 <Melanie_> press enter
2015-09-15 22:26 <Plugh> diva: http://pastebin.com/r436Rfrh
2015-09-15 22:27 <diva> Tyanks, Plugh. Very helpful
2015-09-15 22:27 <lkalif> Melanie_: please let us know when done, curious to see if gitlab stops chócking on it
2015-09-15 22:28 <Plugh> Melanie_: sure, remove the tags if it helps. hash codes aren't able to help you know the sequence of whether hash x was before or after y but I can't say I've often used the r/ tags in recent months.
2015-09-15 22:30 <Plugh> diva, yw. Just an initial cull but still lots to review. I almost think it should be on a wiki page and we can collectively go through a bit at a time and add some summary lines and delete the matching change log entries.
2015-09-15 22:30 <Plugh> There are bound to be a few items of interest to a number of people buried in that list.
2015-09-15 22:30 <diva> not a bad idea, Plugh. Also because I would reallu like to compile the complete list of improvements coming from avination
2015-09-15 22:31 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-09-15 22:32 <Melanie_> lkalif: it feels good to have all that help now :)
2015-09-15 22:32 <Melanie_> i did originally intend to drop this when it's all fixed and shiny
2015-09-15 22:32 <Melanie_> but didn't have the resources to do it in rivate
2015-09-15 22:32 <Melanie_> so working in the open became the best solution after all
2015-09-15 22:32 <diva> branches to the rescue!
2015-09-15 22:33 <Plugh> There are also going to be a lot of other entries to just delete outright as they don't provide any really useful info. For example, "Fixed nullrefs".
2015-09-15 22:33 <Melanie_> those usually are clean up fixes after a feature was added
2015-09-15 22:33 <Melanie_> and have no significance in and of themselves
2015-09-15 22:34 <Plugh> Melanie_: Right. Which is why that sort of thing can be easily removed without comment as we sort through what is worthy of note.
2015-09-15 22:34 <diva> We really shuld have a Code of Commits: "Write commit messages as if the reader is a phsycopath who knows your address!"
2015-09-15 22:34 <Melanie_> then there are commits relating to code that was later removed
2015-09-15 22:34 <Plugh> Melanie_: That can be harder to spot if it wasn't removed soon after it was added.
2015-09-15 22:35 <Melanie_> Plugh: basically, everything that is "meta7" or "chode" has been removed
2015-09-15 22:35 <Melanie_> we merged meta7's codebase when they closed
2015-09-15 22:35 <Melanie_> but that was mostly removed or superseded
2015-09-15 22:36 <Melanie_> and the chode code was written by someone who was anti core, anti bsd
2015-09-15 22:36 <Melanie_> so we removed it
2015-09-15 22:36 <Plugh> Ooh... I like this one -> replace bad meshs by a small cube and log it.
2015-09-15 22:36 <lkalif> past midnight here, ttyl
2015-09-15 22:36 <Plugh> Night, lkalif
2015-09-15 22:36 <Melanie_> NN
2015-09-15 22:37 <Melanie_> Plugh: yes. mesh debugging
2015-09-15 22:37 <Melanie_> making a mesh that would crash the sim into a cube
2015-09-15 22:37 <Melanie_> i think it doesn't do that anymore
2015-09-15 22:37 <Plugh> Good idea. Is one thing to see yellow text about them in the console. It is another trying to track them down.
2015-09-15 22:38 <Plugh> bbl. dinner is ready
2015-09-15 22:45 <H-H-H> i still love the message in console when an av logs out
2015-09-15 22:45 <H-H-H> avatar has left the building
2015-09-15 22:45 <Ubit> :)
2015-09-15 22:46 <H-H-H> made me smile
2015-09-15 22:46 <Melanie_> That grinning portuguese guy put it in 
2015-09-15 22:47 <H-H-H> hey Melanie_T youve done viewer dev before havent you?
2015-09-15 22:47 <H-H-H> what did you use as an ide or did you go hard core and do it on cli
2015-09-15 22:48 <Melanie_> cli
2015-09-15 22:48 <Melanie_> it's where i fell most comfortable
2015-09-15 22:48 <Melanie_> feel*
2015-09-15 22:49 <H-H-H> fair enough i used to use qtcreator but it sees to like crashing when i open a file now :|
2015-09-15 22:49 <Melanie_> i don't really like most things the editors in IDEs do
2015-09-15 22:49 <Melanie_> like, when i type myclass->MyMethod(
2015-09-15 22:50 <Melanie_> the IDE adds the )
2015-09-15 22:50 <Melanie_> and it pops up some intellisense stuff
2015-09-15 22:50 <H-H-H> yeah and same with "
2015-09-15 22:50 <Melanie_> but i often write the call, then move the cursor to edit something else
2015-09-15 22:50 <Melanie_> but instead of moving the cursor, it scrolls intellisense
2015-09-15 22:50 <Melanie_> that bothers me
2015-09-15 22:50 <Melanie_> i have to constanly hover near ESC when i use an ide
2015-09-15 22:50 <H-H-H> switch intelisense of :P
2015-09-15 22:51 <Melanie_> well, i find it's a lot of work to switch these editor enhancements off in qt creator, eclipse and xcode
2015-09-15 22:51 <Melanie_> i doubt it's possible to fully turn them off in VS
2015-09-15 22:52 <Melanie_> i can use all 4 of those IDEs
2015-09-15 22:52 <H-H-H> ive never tried in vs tbh so couldnt answer but its so frigin annoying waiting for it
2015-09-15 22:52 <Melanie_> so, no, i'm no luddite
2015-09-15 22:52 <Melanie_> it just doesnt fit into my workflow for certain things
2015-09-15 23:01 <H-H-H> :)
2015-09-15 23:21 <weezle> can anyone tell me how to send http responce code when using RestStreamHandler
2015-09-15 23:21 <weezle> RestStreamHandler seems to only let you return string 
2015-09-15 23:29 <Plugh> "fixes mantis #0000059" ... you think they have enough 0's in there?  :D
2015-09-15 23:29 <diva> weezle search the opensim source code for example of how to use that class
2015-09-15 23:31 <Melanie_> everyone can now enjoy a revision tar free repo
2015-09-15 23:32 <diva> \o/
2015-09-15 23:32 <weezle> diva i have looked i just need a way to return respnce code 301 and location thru caps when it is only letting me retun a string
2015-09-15 23:35 <diva> Melanie_ do we need to do anything to clean our local repos?
2015-09-15 23:36 <Melanie_> git tag -d `git tag | grep "^r/"`
2015-09-15 23:36 <Melanie_> i changed the git hook to no longer tag new revision
2015-09-15 23:36 <Melanie_> but it still does write the master revisions list file
2015-09-15 23:37 <Melanie_> which is what is used to generate the r/ tags
2015-09-15 23:37 <Melanie_> this means that the r/tags the website/webapi will give will relate to the old tags
2015-09-15 23:39 <diva> weezle I suspetc you need to send that information in the caps message itself, in LLSD, not in raw form
2015-09-15 23:40 <diva> then there are methods to convert LLSD into a string
2015-09-15 23:40 <diva> like LLSDHelpers.SerialiseLLSDReply(...)
2015-09-15 23:41 <Melanie_> that is not what he needs
2015-09-15 23:41 <Melanie_> he needs to set the http response code on the OSHTTPResponse
2015-09-15 23:41 <Melanie_> which that particular handler class may not expose
2015-09-15 23:41 <diva> I can only guess what he's doing
2015-09-15 23:41 <Melanie_> needs to send a redirect
2015-09-15 23:41 <diva> he's talking about caps
2015-09-15 23:42 <Melanie_> yes but he wants to send a redirect
2015-09-15 23:42 <Melanie_> weezle: why do you want to do that?
2015-09-15 23:42 <Melanie_> why not change the caps path to point where you want it to go in the first place?
2015-09-15 23:43 <diva> the texture cap handler has code for redirects. You can look there how to do it, if that's what you want to do. But again I have no idea what you want to do.
2015-09-15 23:46 <weezle> Melanie_ it has to do with a cap i am tring to tell the viewer about
2015-09-15 23:46 <weezle> FacebookConnect
2015-09-15 23:46 <Melanie_> so why do you need a 301?
2015-09-15 23:47 <weezle> the viewer looks for that responce
2015-09-15 23:47 <Melanie_> why not gove it the final address in the seed cap?
2015-09-15 23:48 <diva> yes, opensim has the option of giving CAPs URLs that are not bound to the simulator
2015-09-15 23:49 <weezle> what do you mean?
2015-09-15 23:50 <weezle> i know resthttphandler can do what i need as a hashtable but i cant seem to get the path from the request
2015-09-15 23:50 <diva> look under OpenSim.ini.example [ClientStack.LindenCaps]
2015-09-15 23:50 <weezle> ex server:3066/caps/uuid/share/photo i need to get /share/photo
2015-09-15 23:50 <weezle> hmm
2015-09-15 23:50 <diva> where you see "localhost" can take any URL
2015-09-15 23:51 <diva> so if your URL is fixed, you can place it there
2015-09-15 23:51 <diva> if not, thenm you need a programatic redirect
2015-09-15 23:51 <weezle> its not fixed as it would need to know the agentid
2015-09-15 23:51 <diva> ok, then look in the code for texture cap
2015-09-15 23:52 <diva> GetTexture
2015-09-15 23:52 <diva> there's a redirect in there somewhere
2015-09-15 23:53 <diva> but if all you need is the agent ID, that can also be done more or less statically, without a redirect
2015-09-15 23:54 <Melanie_> each cap is different for each agent
2015-09-15 23:54 <Melanie_> the agentid can be included in it
2015-09-15 23:54 <diva> just contruct that URL when the agent gets the caps, and send it already
2015-09-15 23:54 <Melanie_> or inferred
2015-09-15 23:54 <diva> no need for redirects
2015-09-15 23:56 <weezle> protected string fbc(string request, string path, string param,
2015-09-15 23:56 <weezle>                                       UUID agentID, Caps caps)
2015-09-15 23:57 <weezle> woops
2015-09-15 23:58 <weezle> http://pastebin.com/w3kDZaqA
2015-09-15 23:59 <weezle> that is the code i am trieng to use
2015-09-16 00:02 <weezle> I would think it would allow me to send headers and body back to client but nope.
2015-09-16 00:03 <diva> right there you can construct the URL so that it has the agent it
2015-09-16 00:03 <Melanie_> http://opensimulator.org/gitrevisions.php?rev=<tag number>
2015-09-16 00:03 <diva> then you don't need to have any code to handle it
2015-09-16 00:03 <Melanie_> http://opensimulator.org/gitrevisions.php?hash=<git hash>
2015-09-16 00:03 <Melanie_> will do forward/back translations between the old tags and the git hash
2015-09-16 02:55 <rodger> ok i figured out how to send my responce code buthow can i have the caps respont to get and post methods?
2015-09-16 03:04 <CakeDog> weezle: Where'd you get the idea that the viewer is expecting an HTTP 301 response o.o
2015-09-16 03:06 <rodger> llfacebook.cpp line 166 
2015-09-16 03:06 <rodger> else if (status == 301)
2015-09-16 03:06 <rodger> 		{
2015-09-16 03:06 <rodger> 			LLFacebookConnect::instance().connectToFacebook();
2015-09-16 03:06 <rodger> 		}
2015-09-16 03:08 <CakeDog> llfacebook.cpp doesn't exist :P
2015-09-16 03:09 <CakeDog> and nothing in llfacebookconnect.cpp expects a 301.
2015-09-16 03:10 <rodger> on firestorm 4.6.9
2015-09-16 03:13 <CmdrCupcake> Still no 301. And that code is fossilised at this point. <.<; 
2015-09-16 03:53 <rodger> <CmdrCupcake> then how is the viewer expecting that data?
2015-09-16 04:01 <CmdrCupcake> rodger: It's not expecting a 301 o.o
2015-09-16 04:04 <CmdrCupcake> rodger: Try looking at some viewer code that isn't using 2 year old linden crap. 
2015-09-16 10:06 <lkalif> Now that tags are gone (and risking the wrath of Melanie_) happy to see gitlab functioning properly: https://git.streamgrid.net/opensim-dev/opensimulator/commits/avinationmerge
2015-09-16 14:57 <osmantis> Bug #7705:04 [PATCH] Changes to .ini.example files to improve instructions and workflow for standalone setups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7705 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-16 17:55 <Melanie_> lkalif: my wrath? what ever for (looks around innocently) 
2015-09-16 17:55 <Melanie_> but after all, i wnted the tags gone too
2015-09-16 18:04 <lkalif> Melanie_: works great now
2015-09-16 19:13 <CakeDog> Melanie_: Yay my git gui doesn't implode anymore :O
2015-09-17 04:56 <MarcusLlewellyn> Ubit: HG is working on the branch?
2015-09-17 04:57 <Ubit> i can do tps,  rex prims and take them home, at least
2015-09-17 04:57 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yay. :) I just saw you pop into LBSA via HG, so wanted to query.
2015-09-17 04:58 <Ubit> yeap being testing a bit
2015-09-17 07:33 <MarcusLlewellyn> I got an avinationmerge sim running. Huzzah! :) And so far so good.
2015-09-17 07:33 <Ubit_zzz> bahh i messed up bullet fps
2015-09-17 07:34 <MarcusLlewellyn> Wondering what a few of the new GridCommon.ini sections are for though.
2015-09-17 07:34 <Ubit_zzz> 55000 fps   lol
2015-09-17 07:34 <MarcusLlewellyn> Oopsie.
2015-09-17 07:37 <Ubit_zzz> ohh my changes on it where lost
2015-09-17 07:46 <Ubit_zzz> ok should no longe be 55000 :)
2015-09-17 07:46 <Ubit_zzz> but a little more modest 11.3
2015-09-17 15:43 <Ken_S> Does the current .example files contains all the info needed to run the new av branch code with an existing sim?
2015-09-17 15:44 <H-H-H> i wouldnt do that as it has not been tested very well and may eat your db etc etc 
2015-09-17 15:44 <H-H-H> unless you do a backup first
2015-09-17 15:46 <Ken_S> Is there a summary anywhere of the changes needed to run the new avn branch code on an existing grid with existing sims?
2015-09-17 15:46 <H-H-H> not that i know of 
2015-09-17 15:46 <H-H-H> except the commit logs
2015-09-17 15:47 <Plugh> yea, that is the only "summary"
2015-09-17 15:47 <H-H-H> be advised it does add things to the db
2015-09-17 15:47 <Ken_S> I always do backups anyway
2015-09-17 15:47 <H-H-H> hey Plugh you get yours working yet
2015-09-17 15:48 <Plugh> H-H-H: yes, it's working. Had some config issues I had to fix as part of bringing my ini's in line with the latest .example files.
2015-09-17 15:48 <Ken_S> I have a test grid that has been used for testing the latest code for years, but
2015-09-17 15:48 <H-H-H> can i ask do you think it runs quicker as in my limited tested it seemed to
2015-09-17 15:49 <Ken_S> still don't want to wipe out everything and have to spend time reloading it all.
2015-09-17 15:49 <Ken_S> Are all the .examples files correct and up to date for this change?
2015-09-17 15:49 <Plugh> H-H-H: I haven't used it enough to know. My test environment is mostly empty. A flat land with little on it but some items I'm developing. My avnmerge version started with an empty db. I haven't copied over my main db for use with avnmerge for comparison.
2015-09-17 15:50 <H-H-H> erm i think they are in the branch 
2015-09-17 15:50 <Plugh> Ken_S: If they aren't, you get to tell us. :)
2015-09-17 15:51 <H-H-H> its not in master so its not gurenteed lol
2015-09-17 15:51 <Plugh> It may be hard to tell from just the summary of the changelog. The summary lines are very terse.
2015-09-17 15:52 <H-H-H> Ken_S the usual warnings apply about if it breaks you get to keep all parts etc etc lol
2015-09-17 15:53 <Plugh> There aren't any change to the OpenSim.ini.example file other than the removal of MaxPrimUndos.
2015-09-17 15:56 <lkalif> only mysql for now works
2015-09-17 15:57 <Plugh> Right. MIgrations needed haven't been added for PostgreSQL or SQLite yet.
2015-09-17 15:57 <Ken_S> I'm still in Vegas in meetings, but may have time to check it out and try it this weekend.
2015-09-17 15:57 <Ken_S> As always.
2015-09-17 15:57 <Ken_S> I used MySQL from the start so that's no problem.
2015-09-17 15:58 <Ken_S> But all migrations needed for MySQL are now in place?
2015-09-17 15:58 <lkalif> should be, yes
2015-09-17 15:59 <Plugh> Its possible that there may be additional ones missing but so far, they are all there.
2015-09-17 16:02 <Ken_S> But all migrations needed for MySQL are now in place?
2015-09-17 16:02 <Plugh> Isn't that what I just said? :)
2015-09-17 16:03 <Ken_S> Sorry, I am in an airport and the internet is disconnecting my link to the server running irc
2015-09-17 16:03 <Plugh> oh, ok. np
2015-09-17 16:05 <Ken_S> I have about 200 sims running on my test grid, so I'll do oar backups, then try the new robust and sims and see what happens this weekend.
2015-09-17 16:05 <Plugh> Migrations were needed for two database tables. That's it, unless something else is found during testing.
2015-09-17 16:05 <Plugh> That's quite the test grid.
2015-09-17 16:06 <Ken_S> Were all changes related to sim tables, or were some db changes for Robust?
2015-09-17 16:07 <Plugh> Only for OpenSim. Several changes to Region store and one for UserAccounts.
2015-09-17 16:18 <Plugh> Why are there settings for HomeURI and GateKeeperURI in different sections of two ini files? Are they duplicates of each other?
2015-09-17 20:14 <Ubit> yeackk
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2015-09-18 23:28 <sixvex> Greetings. Dev type here popping in to say hello, to sit along the wall and perhaps gain insight from conversations, which may add to my venture.. an updated centralized search engine with improved UI. Thanks for letting me join the channel. -six
2015-09-18 23:29 <Ubit> its a open channel sixvex
2015-09-18 23:29 <sixvex> Thanks Ubit. I always like to err on the courtious side. =)
2015-09-19 00:19 <CakeDog> Ubit: You ever played with Mono's AOT optimizer?
2015-09-19 00:20 <Ubit> nopes
2015-09-19 00:20 <CakeDog> its interesting!
2015-09-19 00:22 <Ubit> well having things working with just JIT whould be nice for now :)
2015-09-19 00:24 <CakeDog> AOT doesn't replace the JIT
2015-09-19 00:24 <CakeDog> :P
2015-09-19 00:25 <CakeDog> it just pre-jits everything 
2015-09-19 00:25 <CakeDog> and gives you the chance to turn on the heavier optimizations that it doesnt normally apply due to their time overhead
2015-09-19 00:27 <Ubit> yeap
2015-09-19 00:27 <Ubit> but jit has a better chance of seeing dynamic things..
2015-09-19 00:34 <CakeDog> it turns interesting when  you start poking the llvm backend of mono.
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2015-09-19 05:52 <Ubit> yeack... not requests.. responses!! ufff
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2015-09-19 11:49 <Larry_B> hi
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2015-09-19 13:51 <smxy> Melanie_T: I'm trying to understand the implications of your commit in 82105ba81d0cd6b866454402a8b064ecc7ebd514. Does the change in version number mean that if I update to that commit, no one running earlier code will be able to connect to my grid? If that's true, that would make my HG TP hub somewhat useless, if no one can get to it ...
2015-09-19 13:51 <smxy> Melanie_T: Perhaps I simply misundersand.
2015-09-19 13:53 <smxy> Melanie_T: Maybe this is a Services <-> Simulator/Region thing, which wouldn't be an issue with the entire grid updated ...
2015-09-19 16:17 <nebadon> smxy as far as I could tell that function doesnt seem to actually work
2015-09-19 16:17 <nebadon> we tried it at OSgrid and it just doesnt do anything
2015-09-19 16:18 <nebadon> and I think in the end Ubit was able to resolve it without the need to block people
2015-09-19 16:18 <nebadon> but maybe he can clarify that better incase I am wrong
2015-09-19 16:18 <Ubit> ohh 
2015-09-19 16:18 <Ubit> ?
2015-09-19 16:18 <nebadon> ya the teleport attachment thing
2015-09-19 16:19 <nebadon> that we were trying to up the version to prevent teleports between old and new versions
2015-09-19 16:19 <nebadon> maybe i misunderstood you though
2015-09-19 16:19 <Ubit> +-
2015-09-19 16:20 <Ubit> thing is that  servers need to have receivong code updated, so they dont' break a tp if there are two many wearables
2015-09-19 16:20 <Ubit> think that code is not in master also
2015-09-19 16:20 <Ubit> now..
2015-09-19 16:21 <nebadon> ya I dont think so either
2015-09-19 16:21 <nebadon> that isnt the code we were really talking about though
2015-09-19 16:21 <nebadon> the code smxy was talking about was the version bump
2015-09-19 16:21 <nebadon> which doesnt appear to actually work
2015-09-19 16:21 <nebadon> not your code for the attachment thing
2015-09-19 16:21 <Ubit> its there i think.. i made a bad patch, mel fixed it..
2015-09-19 16:22 <Ubit> let me check git
2015-09-19 16:23 <Ubit> ake regions tolerant to newer regions with more werables.
2015-09-19 16:23 <nebadon> right
2015-09-19 16:23 <nebadon> which elminates the need for the version bump right?
2015-09-19 16:23 <Ubit> the little changes on AvatarAppearence
2015-09-19 16:24 <Ubit> just a clip to the max the region likes..
2015-09-19 16:25 <Ubit> but the actuall increase its only on the merge, and for now i actualy comented it out so we can test
2015-09-19 16:25 <nebadon> yea
2015-09-19 16:25 <nebadon> though I think melanie pushed the increase to master too
2015-09-19 16:25 <Ubit> issue will be when it gets uncomented... then older regions will fail the tps
2015-09-19 16:25 <Ubit> nopes.. only on merge, and comented out for now
2015-09-19 16:25 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=82105ba81d0cd6b866454402a8b064ecc7ebd514
2015-09-19 16:26 <nebadon> this is master isnt it?
2015-09-19 16:26 <Ubit> thats what maybe needed later
2015-09-19 16:26 <nebadon> ok
2015-09-19 16:26 <Ubit> that mel decided to do now
2015-09-19 16:26 <nebadon> right
2015-09-19 16:27 <nebadon> she seemed to think that should prevent older regions from connecting to the updated robust
2015-09-19 16:27 <nebadon> but it doesnt work
2015-09-19 16:27 <Ubit> but seems not working as you and dan tested yes
2015-09-19 16:27 <nebadon> yea
2015-09-19 16:27 <nebadon> ok cool thats all I really was trying to clarify that it didnt actually work
2015-09-19 16:27 <nebadon> heh
2015-09-19 16:27 <Ubit> so needs fix  either when we do change the max, or we do add another protocol breaking thing
2015-09-19 16:28 <Ubit> on current regions the max value doesn't kill regions.. only that tp fails without any warning etc
2015-09-19 16:29 <Ubit> when i first changed it.. it did kill regions lol
2015-09-19 16:29 <Ubit> i killed avn Welcome with mel on it with guests... yeack :)
2015-09-19 16:33 <Ubit> buahhh tags on maps don't work
2015-09-19 16:34 <Ubit> well guess ill need to put back the hack on them...  it at least work sometimes
2015-09-19 16:36 <Ubit> well green dots do work fine of course
2015-09-19 16:48 <H-H-H> dont be breaking stuff again lol took long enough for me to upgrade my modules last time lol
2015-09-19 17:08 <Melanie_T> nebadon, Ubit, smxy: The idea is thet EVERYONE MUST UPDATE
2015-09-19 17:08 <Melanie_T> what ubit did is not a fix
2015-09-19 17:08 <Melanie_T> he removed a new feature in order to allow teleport testing
2015-09-19 17:08 <Melanie_T> but it WILL come back
2015-09-19 17:09 <Melanie_T> we can't hold back time just because a few diehards will not update
2015-09-19 17:13 <nebadon> ok
2015-09-19 17:14 <nebadon> we will need to figure out why that functionality seems to not work then
2015-09-19 17:15 <nebadon> if we dont want it to just silently fail anyway
2015-09-19 17:25 <Melanie_T> it's diva's code
2015-09-19 17:57 <Ubit> hmmm map on lbsa and wright is nice...  near 200 blocked regions  bc they fail to reply :)
2015-09-19 17:58 <Ubit> http://poland land/... ???
2015-09-19 19:01 <lkalif> Melanie_T: can the change be made so it's forwars compatible, ie. another max constant change should not require an update?
2015-09-19 19:01 <lkalif> forward*
2015-09-19 19:02 <Melanie_T> lkalif: that has been done
2015-09-19 19:02 <Melanie_T> but the one version that is currently in use uses a fixed value
2015-09-19 19:02 <Melanie_T> and the new version can't identify the old one
2015-09-19 19:02 <Melanie_T> so the old one has to go away
2015-09-19 19:03 <Melanie_T> the new code is dynamic
2015-09-19 19:03 <lkalif> makes sense
2015-09-19 19:04 <lkalif> btw. lindens have changed max wearables recently
2015-09-19 19:04 <lkalif> to 30-something, can't remember exactly
2015-09-19 19:05 <lkalif> before you could only have 5 of each type, now there is a total max
2015-09-19 19:05 <nebadon> thats like what 2 or 3 per spot?
2015-09-19 19:05 <lkalif> so you can wear 30 undershirts
2015-09-19 19:05 <nebadon> yea i meant averaged
2015-09-19 19:06 <lkalif> i think 5
2015-09-19 19:06 <nebadon> that would be more than 30
2015-09-19 19:07 <nebadon> you think they would limit it by cost or something instead
2015-09-19 19:07 <nebadon> once your cost hit a certain number it stops attaching
2015-09-19 19:07 <nebadon> too complicated I guess
2015-09-19 19:07 <nebadon> i guess that number is kind of arbitrary in some ways
2015-09-19 19:07 <lkalif> "/data/backup-stage/perun/d-dev
2015-09-19 19:07 <lkalif> erm
2015-09-19 19:07 <nebadon> hehe
2015-09-19 19:07 <lkalif> With this viewer, a user can wear any combination of clothing layers (wearables), up to a maximum of 60, rather than being limited to (in general, and as with the official viewer) to a maximum of 5 items per layer type
2015-09-19 19:08 <nebadon> File not found.
2015-09-19 19:08 <lkalif> 'i wanted to paste that lol
2015-09-19 19:08 <nebadon> haha
2015-09-19 19:08 <lkalif> Avatar Layers Project, it's been released about two months ago
2015-09-19 19:09 <lkalif> so max wearables is 60 in the viewers now
2015-09-19 19:09 <nebadon> that seems reasonable
2015-09-19 19:09 <nebadon> a lot more than most people would ever need or use
2015-09-19 19:09 <lkalif> 5  alphas was limiting
2015-09-19 19:10 <lkalif> since a lot of mesh clothes comes with one
2015-09-19 19:10 <lkalif> also tattood
2015-09-19 19:10 <lkalif> s
2015-09-19 20:33 <Melanie_T> nebadon: wearables have no render or download cost
2015-09-19 20:33 <Melanie_T> so cost is not a factor
2015-09-19 20:33 <Melanie_T> there are five bakes no matter how many wearables went into them
2015-09-19 20:34 <Ubit> factor is the all code paths that use that and need checking :)
2015-09-19 20:34 <Ubit> but wearing several alphas seems odd
2015-09-19 20:35 <Melanie_T> you need several alphas
2015-09-19 20:35 <Ubit> no i don't 
2015-09-19 20:35 <Melanie_T> shoes usuallu come with alpha, so does virtually all mesh clothing
2015-09-19 20:35 <Melanie_T> it can quickly mount up to more than 5 
2015-09-19 20:35 <Ubit> why do i need alphas on my simple avatars?? ;)
2015-09-19 20:36 <Melanie_T> not YOU you
2015-09-19 20:36 <Melanie_T> but people in general
2015-09-19 20:36 <Ubit> hihihi
2015-09-19 20:36 <Melanie_T> regardless
2015-09-19 20:36 <Ubit> ok kidding
2015-09-19 20:36 <Melanie_T> there is a lot of old dead code that used to handle wearables
2015-09-19 20:36 <Melanie_T> it has such limits like "5 of each" but it's really dead
2015-09-19 20:36 <Melanie_T> no one uses a viewer with the old style appearance code anymore, it's all COF now
2015-09-19 20:37 <Melanie_T> so that code can probabky be removed
2015-09-19 20:37 <Melanie_T> that would be the code that is built up from the avatars table
2015-09-19 20:37 <Melanie_T> which is the old werables storage
2015-09-19 20:37 <Melanie_T> before it became inventory based
2015-09-19 20:45 <Ubit> ohh there is a lisbon area at osgrid
2015-09-19 20:45 <Ubit> well looks more south river side than real lisbon
2015-09-19 20:46 <Ubit> dahhh dead
2015-09-19 20:47 <Ubit> 199 blacklisted regions.. 383 cached responses.. xii map is crazy
2015-09-19 20:48 <danbanner> lisbon SW was last seen Thu, 20 Aug 2015 16:44:47 GMT
2015-09-19 20:48 <Ubit> ty dan :)
2015-09-19 20:50 <Ubit> 21:50:23 - [WORLD MAP]: Access to http://Poland Island:9000/MAP/MapItems/1098961
2015-09-19 20:50 <Ubit> 8722179584 failed with System.UriFormatException: Invalid URI: The hostname coul
2015-09-19 20:50 <Ubit> d not be parsed.
2015-09-19 20:51 <Ubit> ufff
2015-09-19 20:56 <Ubit> anyone drove a car recently in sl ?
2015-09-19 21:00 <danbanner> ya it sucks
2015-09-19 21:00 <Ubit> yeap seems they are downgrading physics
2015-09-19 21:01 <Ubit> if so, not a reference anymore
2015-09-19 21:03 <Melanie_T> maybe they do it to be able to pack more sims into a server
2015-09-19 21:03 <Melanie_T> to free up servers for slv2
2015-09-19 21:03 <Ubit> possible
2015-09-19 21:04 <Melanie_T> sl is being put into the handbasket
2015-09-19 21:04 <Melanie_T> will be going to hell soon
2015-09-19 21:04 <Ubit> think so 2
2015-09-19 21:04 <linkedinyou> it is in hell already
2015-09-20 00:19 <OtakuMegane> On SL physics: the last time I was commenting about how the recent upgrade seemed to be worse than before, I was told in order to make pathfinding work right they had to nerf Havok.
2015-09-20 00:19 <OtakuMegane> It's been a good while since I was last in SL though so that may not be the case any more or more stuff might have been gone screwy.
2015-09-20 02:25 <smxy> Melanie_T or nebadon: It strill isn't clear to me what that version bump is intended to do. Does it just mean that both regions and services must be updated together or does it mean that people TPing from grids running older code won't be able to TP to my grid? I can't have everyone prevented from TPing to my grid.
2015-09-20 02:26 <smxy> It would render my grid useless.
2015-09-20 11:58 <osmantis> Bug #7722:04 [RADMIN] terrain save generate gray image 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7722 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
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2015-09-20 13:52 <Plugh> Morning. Is mono 2.10.8 still the required minimum version?
2015-09-20 14:01 <H-H-H> according to neb and the wiki yes
2015-09-20 14:14 <Plugh> ok. I have code for an addon module that doesn't build in 2.10.8 but it did build on my machine using mono 3.2.8
2015-09-20 14:30 <danbanner> hey plugh
2015-09-20 14:31 <danbanner> i built the latest ossearch and osprofile modules and tried them.. profiles work and search works except for people and groups
2015-09-20 14:32 <danbanner> if i replace the r220 with the r206 we have been using everything works fine
2015-09-20 14:33 <danbanner> any ideas?
2015-09-20 14:36 <Plugh> danbanner: I'll get back to you. Just about to go get something to eat.
2015-09-20 14:36 <danbanner> k
2015-09-20 14:36 <Ubit> errr why to we need to know region location in map to save tiles??
2015-09-20 14:36 <Ubit> megas thing ?
2015-09-20 14:57 <Plugh> danbanner: I'm back.
2015-09-20 14:57 <danbanner> wb
2015-09-20 14:57 <Plugh> danbanner: Are you building the modules from source?
2015-09-20 14:57 <danbanner> yup
2015-09-20 14:57 <Plugh> which version of os?
2015-09-20 14:57 <danbanner> they appeared to build fine and there are no errors on the console when i run opensim
2015-09-20 14:58 <danbanner> its the latest 0.8.2 dev source
2015-09-20 14:58 <danbanner> someone else mentioned the same issue with 0.8.1.1 too
2015-09-20 14:59 <danbanner> but i cant confirm their issue
2015-09-20 15:00 <Plugh> Oh. You have something missing in your configuration.
2015-09-20 15:00 <danbanner> please tell
2015-09-20 15:00 <danbanner> Region (Current-Build) # config show Search
2015-09-20 15:00 <danbanner> [Search]
2015-09-20 15:00 <danbanner>   Module = OpenSimSearch
2015-09-20 15:00 <danbanner>   SearchURL = http://search.osgrid.org/query.php
2015-09-20 15:00 <Plugh> See the commit message for commit ae57c23f (r210). It removed some things to prevent duplicate results.
2015-09-20 15:01 <Plugh> I think you have disabled the basic search module.
2015-09-20 15:01 <danbanner> hmm
2015-09-20 15:01 <danbanner> so i need to enable the basic search for people and groups to work
2015-09-20 15:02 <Plugh> You should have SearchModule = "BasicSearchModule" in a file included from config-include.
2015-09-20 15:03 <danbanner> let me try that
2015-09-20 15:03 <Plugh> yes. Some code was moved or added in core and before 210 I started getting duplicate results on searches.
2015-09-20 15:03 <Plugh> what set up are you using? SA, Grid, HG?
2015-09-20 15:04 <danbanner> osgrid
2015-09-20 15:05 <Plugh> so if that is a grid set up look in Grid.ini in config-include.
2015-09-20 15:05 <Plugh> or is osgrid HGenabled in which case it is in GridHypergrid.ini
2015-09-20 15:06 <Plugh> seems to be in both. Probably shouldn't be in both since the GridHypergrid.ini file includes Grid.ini
2015-09-20 15:06 <danbanner> in GridCommon.ini under [Modules] i have  SearchModule = "OpenSimSearch"
2015-09-20 15:06 <Plugh> That's your problem.
2015-09-20 15:06 <Plugh> That should be BasicSearchModule.
2015-09-20 15:06 <danbanner> so that would just need to be changed to BasicSearchModul
2015-09-20 15:06 <Plugh> ossearch has its own section.
2015-09-20 15:06 <danbanner> let me try it
2015-09-20 15:06 <Plugh> yes
2015-09-20 15:07 <danbanner> ahh maybe im missing that too
2015-09-20 15:07 <Plugh> danbanner: You haven't read the README. :)
2015-09-20 15:07 <danbanner> i did
2015-09-20 15:07 <danbanner> briefly
2015-09-20 15:07 <Plugh> you need a section called [Search] in a separate file include from addon-modules, or added to the main .ini file.
2015-09-20 15:08 <danbanner> ya i have a [Search] section in opensim.ini
2015-09-20 15:08 <danbanner> i got it now i think
2015-09-20 15:08 <danbanner> thanks
2015-09-20 15:09 <Plugh> y
2015-09-20 15:09 <Plugh> w
2015-09-20 15:09 <lkalif> i'll waur for osgrid release with this merge ;)
2015-09-20 15:10 <lkalif> wait
2015-09-20 15:11 <danbanner> okay all working, thanks plugh
2015-09-20 15:11 <Plugh> ok, good.
2015-09-20 15:21 <Ubit> what hell...
2015-09-20 15:21 <Ubit> who decided terrain load from pictures as a max of 128m?
2015-09-20 15:22 <lkalif> ll
2015-09-20 15:22 <Ubit> believe ll as it as 255m 
2015-09-20 15:25 <lkalif> are you sure?
2015-09-20 15:26 <Ubit> bahh who can be sure about ll this days..
2015-09-20 15:26 <lkalif> could be
2015-09-20 15:26 <Ubit> but old docs mention one to one 
2015-09-20 15:27 <Ubit> like this http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Tips_for_Creating_Heightfields_and_Details_on_Terrain_RAW_Files
2015-09-20 15:27 <Ubit> but not that clear.. and then jumps to llRaw format.. 
2015-09-20 15:29 <Plugh> ok, I give up trying to build this module using 2.10.8. I'll bite the bullet and build/install mono 3.2.8
2015-09-20 15:29 <Plugh> then try again.
2015-09-20 15:31 <Ubit> bahh but changing loaders  brings compatibility issues.. grrr
2015-09-20 15:31 <Melanie_T> Plugh: what module is that and why doesn't it build?
2015-09-20 15:33 <Plugh> I have no idea. The errors are at -> http://pastebin.com/bcHXRVVS
2015-09-20 15:34 <Plugh> This is the initial build of OS with a minor patch to HttpServer to support SSL.
2015-09-20 15:34 <lkalif> nant?
2015-09-20 15:34 <lkalif> usee xbuild
2015-09-20 15:35 <lkalif> (prebuild fo that module specifys to build 32 bit. mono doesn't support that)
2015-09-20 15:36 <Plugh> This simple patch breaks the build of OpenSim -> http://pastebin.com/gS91uCkR
2015-09-20 15:36 <Plugh> lkalif: tried it both ways.
2015-09-20 15:38 <lkalif> breaks how?
2015-09-20 15:38 <Plugh> Look at my first pastebin URL
2015-09-20 15:39 <lkalif> that cannot be
2015-09-20 15:39 <lkalif> that error message cannot possibly be caused by that code change
2015-09-20 15:40 <Plugh> It is.
2015-09-20 15:40 <Plugh> If I apply that patch I get that error. If I don't apply that patch the build completes as normal.
2015-09-20 15:41 <lkalif> not with that error
2015-09-20 15:41 <Plugh> yes, with that error.
2015-09-20 15:42 <Plugh> I know it doesn't make sense (to me), but there it is.
2015-09-20 15:43 <lkalif> what is it you're trying to compile?
2015-09-20 15:43 <Plugh> My machine has mono 3.2.8 and the code with that patch builds with no problem. On another machine that same patch generates that error when built with 2.10.8
2015-09-20 15:43 <Plugh> OpenSim 0.8.1-post-fixes
2015-09-20 15:45 <Plugh> I'll just build and install 3.2.8.
2015-09-20 15:46 <danbanner> was there ever a way put in place to determine the release number?
2015-09-20 15:46 <danbanner> i.e. tag
2015-09-20 15:46 <Melanie_T> Plugh: you're building the nsl/dtl money system
2015-09-20 15:46 <Melanie_T> that issue is known
2015-09-20 15:47 <Melanie_T> you need to rebuild the precompiled module they ship
2015-09-20 15:47 <Melanie_T> it doesn't work
2015-09-20 15:47 <Plugh> Trying to but I can't build the module until i can build OS with this patch.
2015-09-20 15:47 <Melanie_T> wrong
2015-09-20 15:47 <Melanie_T> you need to check out opensim-libs
2015-09-20 15:47 <Plugh> I'm following the steps in its readme 
2015-09-20 15:47 <Melanie_T> patch the http server with the supplied patch
2015-09-20 15:47 <Melanie_T> and build the HttpServer_Opensim.dll module again
2015-09-20 15:47 <Melanie_T> the one they ship is busted
2015-09-20 15:48 <Melanie_T> the readme is wrong
2015-09-20 15:48 <Melanie_T> i did all this just 2 weeks ago for a client
2015-09-20 15:48 <Plugh> not surprising. I see at least one other error.
2015-09-20 15:48 <Plugh> yea, I'm doing this for someone else.
2015-09-20 15:48 <Plugh> ok, so I apply the patch to opensim-libs, build it, then use the DLL from it.
2015-09-20 15:50 <Plugh> Interesting that the build worked fine when I was using mono 3.2.8
2015-09-20 15:50 <Plugh> and used the supplied build info.
2015-09-20 16:03 <Melanie_T> maybe the shipped dll file is built with newer mono
2015-09-20 16:03 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-09-20 16:03 <Plugh> It doesn't say and I don't know how to find out.
2015-09-20 16:04 <Melanie_T> i believe the chnges to the http server are beneficial in general
2015-09-20 16:04 <Plugh> wow. The machine I'm building on is taking forever to clone opensim-libs.
2015-09-20 16:04 <Melanie_T> they should be incorporated into what we ship
2015-09-20 16:05 <nebadon> ya dont know why but sometimes the opensimulator git is very slow
2015-09-20 16:05 <nebadon> and even more strange sometimes its slow on 1 machine
2015-09-20 16:05 <nebadon> and lightning fast on another machine
2015-09-20 16:05 <Plugh> I'm at 91KiB/s
2015-09-20 16:05 <Plugh> It is
2015-09-20 16:05 <smxy> Hello, Melanie_T. Did you perchance see the message I pinged to you (my) last night?
2015-09-20 16:05 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-09-20 16:06 <Melanie_T> all i can say is a forced upgrade has always been painful for all but that can't be avoided
2015-09-20 16:06 <Melanie_T> the sooner everyone upgrades, the sooner it's over
2015-09-20 16:06 <smxy> I'm just not sure I understand what that version bump does. Will it prevent people from grids running older code from TPing to my grid?
2015-09-20 16:07 <Melanie_T> the intention is to prevent tp from newer to older code
2015-09-20 16:07 <Melanie_T> because that will crash the old code
2015-09-20 16:08 <Melanie_T> so there will be disruption
2015-09-20 16:08 <smxy> Lovely, The, since my grid is a popular HG TP hub, this will essentially shut me down.
2015-09-20 16:08 <Melanie_T> no way to avoid it and we can't hold back time because of these concerns
2015-09-20 16:08 <smxy> Then*
2015-09-20 16:08 <Melanie_T> experience has shown that once osgrid forces an upgrade, everyone else follows very quickly
2015-09-20 16:09 <Plugh> Oh, it would break smxy's grid as people would be crashing places when they TP out of the grid
2015-09-20 16:09 <Plugh> to some other grid with older code.
2015-09-20 16:10 <smxy> No. You'd be amazed how many grids out there continue to run older code. You will cut my grid off from them with this. It's usefullness as an HG TP hub will be quite diminished.
2015-09-20 16:10 <smxy> Right Plugh
2015-09-20 16:11 <Melanie_T> everyone will be forced to upgrade
2015-09-20 16:11 <Melanie_T> that is the point
2015-09-20 16:11 <Melanie_T> the fix has been backported and inserted into 0.8.1
2015-09-20 16:11 <Plugh> hm... use the new code without that one patch then let people realize they need to upgrade when people TP to their grids running older code. :)
2015-09-20 16:11 <Melanie_T> and we can't support 0.7 versions anymore
2015-09-20 16:12 <Plugh> 58KiB/s  sheesh...
2015-09-20 16:12 <Plugh> 
ACTION twiddles his thumbs

2015-09-20 16:13 <smxy> What is this new feature that forces you to force this change on everyone?
2015-09-20 16:13 <Melanie_T> new wearable types
2015-09-20 16:14 <Melanie_T> LL added new types
2015-09-20 16:14 <Melanie_T> and the old code wasn't written with futureproffing in mind
2015-09-20 16:14 <Melanie_T> so it's not tolerant of these new types
2015-09-20 16:14 <smxy> Why can't the types be stripped off the avatar when TPing to older code? So they arrive looking funny - at least they arrive.
2015-09-20 16:15 <Plugh> Melanie_T: Any idea where that is documented/mentioned in the LL side of things? The information would need to be added to the wiki
2015-09-20 16:15 <Plugh> the OS wiki
2015-09-20 16:15 <Melanie_T> they just added them tot he viewer
2015-09-20 16:15 <Plugh> Finally finished cloning opensim-libs. Man that took forever.
2015-09-20 16:15 <Plugh> They aren't stored in the database with new numbers to refer to them?
2015-09-20 16:16 <Melanie_T> i don't know. LL added them and ubit wrote the code to support them
2015-09-20 16:17 <smxy> Why is this version bump in Master now, when none of the new code that requires it is in Master? As soon as I update to that, my Hub is dead in the water.
2015-09-20 16:17 <Plugh> ok. BTW, could that patch from DTL/NSL for HttpServer be applied to master or is there a reason to not do that (yet)?
2015-09-20 16:18 <Plugh> bbl. lunch is ready.
2015-09-20 16:18 <Melanie_T> Plugh: as i said, i'm in favor of adding the dtl patch to master
2015-09-20 16:19 <Melanie_T> smxy: the bump is in master to make people upgrade
2015-09-20 16:19 <Melanie_T> there is no easy way to do this
2015-09-20 16:20 <smxy> Well, thanks for trashing my grid's prime function. :(
2015-09-20 16:20 <Melanie_T> this too will pass
2015-09-20 16:20 <Melanie_T> we've had forced upgrades before
2015-09-20 16:20 <Melanie_T> and no one died over them
2015-09-20 16:21 <Melanie_T> your best bet is to upgrade
2015-09-20 16:21 <Melanie_T> because the new version can take connections from both old and new
2015-09-20 16:21 <Melanie_T> the old version can't
2015-09-20 16:21 <smxy> The minute I do, no one can get from my grid to anywhere else.
2015-09-20 16:21 <Melanie_T> and if you do not, everyone erriving will crash you
2015-09-20 16:21 <Melanie_T> arriving*
2015-09-20 16:22 <smxy> Why can't you at least gracefull block them, so they don't crash the destination region, like you did when going from old code to a var region? There's no reason to allow them to make a jump that you KNOW will trash the destination.
2015-09-20 16:23 <nebadon> the only way to do that is verison bump
2015-09-20 16:23 <Melanie_T> well, duh. we really should have thought about that, now
2015-09-20 16:23 <Melanie_T> i mean, seriously
2015-09-20 16:23 <smxy> Diva did it for jumping to a var region without a version bump.
2015-09-20 16:23 <Melanie_T> the new version can't detect that the destination is an old version
2015-09-20 16:24 <nebadon> ya only way to do that is upgrade old versions
2015-09-20 16:24 <Melanie_T> if it could, don't tyou think we'd have tried for a smooth transition?
2015-09-20 16:24 <nebadon> if your doing that why not just upgrade to latest code anyway
2015-09-20 16:24 <danbanner> maybe change the ConnectorProtocolVersion = "SIMULATION/0.3" to 0.4?
2015-09-20 16:24 <danbanner> wouldnt that work?
2015-09-20 16:25 <smxy> No, I don't, Melanie, as you folks were going to just let people crash when going to a var from old code until I strongly suggested it should be gracefully denied.
2015-09-20 16:25 <Melanie_T> danbanner: it may be our only option if diva doesn't come back soon and find out why her versioning code isn't working
2015-09-20 16:25 <nebadon> smxy she said it would crash if we didnt do anything
2015-09-20 16:25 <danbanner> it worked well for preventing teleporting to vars from non var code
2015-09-20 16:25 <nebadon> the code you are asking about does exactly what you just said
2015-09-20 16:25 <nebadon> prevent a crash with graceful failure
2015-09-20 16:26 <Melanie_T> but it needs to be installed at the destination to do that
2015-09-20 16:26 <nebadon> it should pass fairly quickly
2015-09-20 16:26 <nebadon> everyone is in the same boat
2015-09-20 16:26 <danbanner> ahh
2015-09-20 16:26 <Melanie_T> because a newer source can't detect an older destination
2015-09-20 16:26 <danbanner> i get it now
2015-09-20 16:26 <danbanner> right
2015-09-20 16:26 <Melanie_T> but a new destination can detect and allow for an older source
2015-09-20 16:27 <smxy> Why can't it? Have the newer source expect something that an older region doesn't provide, to detect it.
2015-09-20 16:27 <Melanie_T> there is no such thing
2015-09-20 16:28 <smxy> I'm suggesting adding something, so an older destination can be detected.
2015-09-20 16:29 <smxy> Because it doesn't providde it.
2015-09-20 16:29 <Melanie_T> smxy: and how long do you thonk we should carry the old versions onwards, when they will kill the new wearables on everyone passing through them?
2015-09-20 16:30 <Melanie_T> the old versions (pre 0.8) eed to go away
2015-09-20 16:32 <smxy> If I update, I will have to turn off all my gates except to places I know have updaed, otherwise people coming from my grid will be seen as griefing other grids by TPing to them and crashing them.
2015-09-20 16:32 <danbanner> wont happen if the teleport is prevented
2015-09-20 16:33 <danbanner> which is what the version change does
2015-09-20 16:33 <smxy> Then I still might as well turn off my gates, if they won't work.
2015-09-20 16:34 <smxy> I'll go from over 120 working gates to 0, the moment I update, as no one else will have updated.
2015-09-20 16:37 <smxy> I need to start sharing this on social media. Does the backport to 0.8.1, that has the fixes, have a new version number? I want to tell people the minimum version they need to update to.
2015-09-20 16:38 <Melanie_T> there is as of yet no binary to update to
2015-09-20 16:39 <Melanie_T> we need to fix the code that will force osgrid to update
2015-09-20 16:39 <Melanie_T> then diva needs to spin a new binary release
2015-09-20 16:39 <smxy> When will there be? Seriously, if I were to update now, when no one else can, I might as well turn the server off.
2015-09-20 16:39 <Melanie_T> and then you can update
2015-09-20 16:40 <Melanie_T> smxy: right now the new versions are not yet in the wirld
2015-09-20 16:40 <Melanie_T> wild
2015-09-20 16:40 <nebadon> smxy in the meantime you could bring up a region on the avinationmerge branch
2015-09-20 16:40 <nebadon> and test to see how things go
2015-09-20 16:41 <nebadon> I only have 1 region on it at the moment
2015-09-20 16:41 <nebadon> Sisyphus on OSgrid
2015-09-20 16:41 <nebadon> so far no problems doing anything yet
2015-09-20 16:41 <smxy> That's good to hear.
2015-09-20 16:42 <nebadon> its a small moment of pain, but its all for good reasons
2015-09-20 16:42 <nebadon> no one is trying to inconvenience anyone
2015-09-20 16:43 <nebadon> and if you can and have the time please do spread the word
2015-09-20 16:43 <nebadon> via social media or however we can
2015-09-20 16:44 <nebadon> knowing is 1/2 the battle!
2015-09-20 16:44 <nebadon> lol
2015-09-20 16:44 <Melanie_T> but not now
2015-09-20 16:44 <Melanie_T> only when a release has been rolled
2015-09-20 16:44 <Melanie_T> it's too soon now
2015-09-20 16:44 <nebadon> well ya just get people prepared
2015-09-20 16:44 <Melanie_T> there isn't a download yet
2015-09-20 16:44 <smxy> No, I'm going to start telling them it's coming.
2015-09-20 16:44 <nebadon> its not to soon to give people early warning though
2015-09-20 16:44 <nebadon> and minimize the impact
2015-09-20 16:44 <Melanie_T> and i can't make one because the binaries need to be made on Windows
2015-09-20 16:44 <nebadon> maximize the spread
2015-09-20 16:44 <Melanie_T> a mono-compiled libomv doesn't run properly on .et, is why
2015-09-20 16:45 <smxy> I'll be clear that there is nothing to update to yet.
2015-09-20 16:47 <smxy> So, let me see if I have this correct (tell me if I do not, please): In order to support the new wearable types (what are they? People will ask), The next release of OpenSim will not allow teleports to OpenSim versions less than [what version].
2015-09-20 16:48 <nebadon> is it wearable types? or just multiple levels of wearables?
2015-09-20 16:48 <smxy> Good question.
2015-09-20 16:49 <nebadon> like you could attach 5 things to your hand etc..
2015-09-20 16:49 <nebadon> and alphas and stuff like that
2015-09-20 16:49 <smxy> I want to be sure Icorrectly state things or I'll just make matters worse.
2015-09-20 16:49 <nebadon> yea
2015-09-20 16:49 <nebadon> Melanie_T?
2015-09-20 16:50 <Melanie_T> new types
2015-09-20 16:50 <smxy> Okay. Can you tell me what they are?
2015-09-20 16:51 <Melanie_T> no
2015-09-20 16:52 <nebadon> its just open ended?
2015-09-20 16:52 <Melanie_T> it might be the physics wearable
2015-09-20 16:52 <nebadon> allowing for new types?
2015-09-20 16:52 <Melanie_T> the new code is
2015-09-20 16:52 <Melanie_T> the old one wasn't
2015-09-20 16:52 <Melanie_T> that's the problem
2015-09-20 16:52 <nebadon> yea
2015-09-20 16:52 <Melanie_T> the old code had a bug
2015-09-20 16:52 <Melanie_T> it would allocate a fixed size array
2015-09-20 16:52 <Melanie_T> then use the actual number of items to populate it
2015-09-20 16:52 <smxy> Okay, so I should just phrase it as "In order to support more wearable types ..."?
2015-09-20 16:52 <Melanie_T> rather than allocating an array using the actual number, which is known
2015-09-20 16:53 <Melanie_T> so the reason the old code bombs is a bug
2015-09-20 16:53 <smxy> okay
2015-09-20 16:53 <smxy> So the new code allows for more wearable types than the old code (due to a bug in the old code).
2015-09-20 16:54 <smxy> Do we know what the two release version will be, that will have this, so that people can watch for them?
2015-09-20 16:55 <nebadon> i think 0.8.2 release but let Melanie confirm that before 
2015-09-20 16:55 <smxy> And 0.8.1.?
2015-09-20 16:56 <smxy> (for the backport)
2015-09-20 16:56 <nebadon> I dont know if that is something that could get backported or not
2015-09-20 16:56 <Melanie_T> i believe we can roll a 0.8.2
2015-09-20 16:56 <smxy> I thought she said that's been done.
2015-09-20 16:57 <Melanie_T> osgrid has rolled one i believe but the code that was supposed to block older sims from registering wasn't working
2015-09-20 16:57 <Melanie_T> diva needs to look at it
2015-09-20 16:57 <Melanie_T> it's her code
2015-09-20 16:57 <nebadon> could that get back ported to post-fixes?
2015-09-20 16:57 <Melanie_T> i did that
2015-09-20 16:57 <Melanie_T> for 0.8.1 pf
2015-09-20 16:58 <nebadon> the actual fix?
2015-09-20 16:58 <nebadon> or the version bump
2015-09-20 16:58 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-09-20 16:58 <Melanie_T> the fix is trivial, just a couple of lines
2015-09-20 16:58 <nebadon> ah ok so that is in master too then?
2015-09-20 16:58 <Melanie_T> should be
2015-09-20 16:58 <smxy> But will 0.8.1 pf be able to connec to 0.8.2?
2015-09-20 16:58 <nebadon> ok i missed that part
2015-09-20 16:58 <nebadon> i thought this was all in avinationmerge only still
2015-09-20 16:58 <Melanie_T> i just don't see why everyone's is so panicky
2015-09-20 16:58 <Melanie_T> nothing will happen until diva gets back
2015-09-20 16:59 <smxy> I don't think *everyone* is. But *I* am because either way, my Hub is going to be useless for a while.
2015-09-20 17:00 <nebadon> well it will certainly bring attention to people
2015-09-20 17:00 <nebadon> so that is a good thing
2015-09-20 17:01 <smxy> Will people coming from 0.8.1 pf be able to TP to regions running 0.8.2?
2015-09-20 17:01 <nebadon> just need to make sure info is visible when the time comes so when they do go looking for why
2015-09-20 17:01 <nebadon> its obvious
2015-09-20 17:01 <nebadon> it sounds like they should
2015-09-20 17:01 <nebadon> so there will be options
2015-09-20 17:02 <smxy> I thought she put the fix in pf but not the version bump. Without the version bump, they won't be able to, right? Or is the plan to add that to 0.8.1 pf at the right time?
2015-09-20 17:02 <nebadon> we did version bump
2015-09-20 17:02 <nebadon> but it doesnt work
2015-09-20 17:02 <nebadon> why we have to wait on diva
2015-09-20 17:02 <smxy> ah
2015-09-20 17:02 <nebadon> well one of the reasons
2015-09-20 17:02 <nebadon> she will also do the release
2015-09-20 17:03 <nebadon> Melanie Dan and I tried to make it work few nights ago right before diva left for trip
2015-09-20 17:03 <smxy> Melanie, is it safe to say that (at some point) when 0.8.2 comes out, there will also be a 0.8.1 pf that will be able to connect to it?
2015-09-20 17:03 <nebadon> but no luck
2015-09-20 17:04 <nebadon> pf is already ready
2015-09-20 17:04 <nebadon> according to melanie
2015-09-20 17:04 <nebadon> just needs to get the fix to force bump eventually too
2015-09-20 17:04 <nebadon> once master has it as well
2015-09-20 17:04 <smxy> But didn't you just say the version bump doesn't work, so it will have to be changed again, when Diva's back, yes?
2015-09-20 17:05 <nebadon> it wont be changed we just need to make it be enforced
2015-09-20 17:05 <nebadon> right now enforcement fails
2015-09-20 17:05 <smxy> Right, so pf will get another update then.
2015-09-20 17:05 <nebadon> yes
2015-09-20 17:05 <nebadon> but pf wont actually crash on 0.8.2 connections
2015-09-20 17:05 <nebadon> was my point
2015-09-20 17:06 <smxy> Thanks. I wanted to be sure people didn't grab pf now, but instead wait until we know it's works with 0.8.2 for the version bump.
2015-09-20 17:06 <nebadon> 0.8.1-pf to 0.8.2-dev and avinationmerge would not fail
2015-09-20 17:13 <smxy> nebadon: I'm writing something up. Would you be willing to proof it when I'm done?
2015-09-20 17:22 <nebadon> sure
2015-09-20 17:28 <smxy> nebadon: First draft: http://pastebin.com/V1ZJ6y6j
2015-09-20 17:30 <nebadon> looks good smxy
2015-09-20 17:30 <smxy> Okay. Thanks.
2015-09-20 17:45 <Plugh> That DTL/NSL patch for HttpServer can't be applied to opensim-libs as it patches a file that doesn't exist in -libs.
2015-09-20 17:46 <Melanie_T> i applied it to libs just 2 weeks ago
2015-09-20 17:46 <Melanie_T> for a customer build
2015-09-20 17:46 <Melanie_T> you're probably using the wrong patch
2015-09-20 17:46 <Melanie_T> or are in the wrong directory
2015-09-20 17:46 <Plugh> oh, crap. there is a different patch for just httpserver.
2015-09-20 17:50 <Plugh> Wow. It seems to build as if it is a single source file. 
2015-09-20 17:50 <H-H-H> does tat patch actually need to be applied
2015-09-20 17:50 <H-H-H> i could have sworn im running nsl with current head of opensim without patching the dll
2015-09-20 17:52 <Melanie_T> they give a precompiled replavement of the dll
2015-09-20 17:52 <Melanie_T> but i guess they used too new a mono to build it
2015-09-20 17:52 <H-H-H> im not using that either
2015-09-20 17:52 <Melanie_T> the money server will not compile without it, unless you leave out the small patch to core
2015-09-20 17:53 <Melanie_T> and then the server code will bitch about missing methods
2015-09-20 17:53 <Melanie_T> so either way
2015-09-20 17:53 <Melanie_T> no win
2015-09-20 17:53 <Plugh> -libs was patched, built, and dll copied. Now rebuilding OS.
2015-09-20 17:54 <H-H-H> hmmm then maybe it copyed over the new dll as part of the build instructions :| 
2015-09-20 17:54 <H-H-H> i didnt patch it
2015-09-20 17:54 <Plugh> yay. It built this time. :)
2015-09-20 17:55 <Plugh> ok, all is well. DTL/NSL built. 
2015-09-20 17:55 <H-H-H> ok thats insane lol im going to retry this
2015-09-20 17:55 <Plugh> I'm going out for a while. I'll test this out later.
2015-09-20 17:56 <H-H-H> the dll in my bin dir is the same as the one in nsl original not the patched one
2015-09-20 17:56 <Plugh> Melanie_T: Later today I could push that HttpServer patch to -libs and the related patch for OS to master if that won't break anything.
2015-09-20 17:57 <H-H-H> and nsl built and workd
2015-09-20 17:57 <Melanie_T> it won't break anythin
2015-09-20 17:57 <Plugh> H-H-H: Which mono are you using?
2015-09-20 17:57 <Melanie_T> it adds some additional abilities to the server
2015-09-20 17:57 <Melanie_T> like client certificate authentication
2015-09-20 17:57 <Plugh> Melanie_T: ok.
2015-09-20 17:57 <H-H-H> Mono JIT compiler version 3.12.1
2015-09-20 17:57 <H-H-H> i was using 2.10 but upgraded when i built monodevelop
2015-09-20 17:58 <Plugh> H-H-H: That's why it works for you as is. I'm building on a machine with 2.10.8
2015-09-20 17:58 <Plugh> H-H-H: It worked for me on my machine running 3.2.8
2015-09-20 17:58 <Plugh> as is.
2015-09-20 17:58 <H-H-H> ahhh okies :) i wondered if i was going mad lol
2015-09-20 17:58 <H-H-H> should i still use the patched dll?
2015-09-20 17:59 <Plugh> H-H-H: You might still be going mad but it wasn't from what you were doing to build it.
2015-09-20 17:59 <Plugh> ;)
2015-09-20 17:59 <H-H-H> haha lol
2015-09-20 17:59 <Plugh> ok, I have to get going. bbl.
2015-09-20 22:17 <lkalif> Melanie_T: would be nice if you could upgrade OpenCurency module on the forge
2015-09-20 22:17 <lkalif> i want to make a real money tree that gives unlimited money :P
2015-09-20 22:18 <Melanie_T> money doesn't grow on trees :P
2015-09-20 22:18 <H-H-H> the paper its printed on does :P
2015-09-20 22:19 <OtakuMegane> Depends which country
2015-09-20 22:19 <Melanie_T> most money these days is fabric and manmade materials
2015-09-20 22:19 <lkalif> in canada is on plastic
2015-09-20 22:20 <H-H-H> its mostly a 0 or a 1 on a computer system these days :|
2015-09-20 22:20 <nebadon> its all atoms!
2015-09-20 22:20 <nebadon> :P
2015-09-20 22:20 <lkalif> i have not used cash in the past 3 years
2015-09-20 22:20 <H-H-H> hey nebadon im glad i saw you can i ask you something
2015-09-20 22:20 <OtakuMegane> U.S. Dollar is on a cotton/linen paper and has been for a long time.
2015-09-20 22:20 <nebadon> i do believe you already have :P
2015-09-20 22:20 <H-H-H> :P
2015-09-20 22:21 <H-H-H> i just watched one of your rpi load tests and must say they are impresive :) i was wondering if the model of the rpi that is in the vids is available?
2015-09-20 22:22 <nebadon> let me bring the region up so you can get it
2015-09-20 22:22 <nebadon> hopefully its not all crashy
2015-09-20 22:22 <nebadon> should be ok
2015-09-20 22:22 <H-H-H> awesome im guessing i can hg from osgrid?
2015-09-20 22:22 <nebadon> its on OSgrid
2015-09-20 22:23 <H-H-H> ahh ok
2015-09-20 22:23 <H-H-H> i thought it was a seperate hg setup :)
2015-09-20 22:23 <H-H-H> my bad
2015-09-20 22:23 <lkalif> photoshop is a bitch
2015-09-20 22:24 <lkalif> Melanie_T: btw. I could build libomv for you when you need it
2015-09-20 22:24 <Melanie_T> to be on the safe side, we always compile binary releases on windows
2015-09-20 22:24 <lkalif> perhaps I could even commit it ;)
2015-09-20 22:24 <Melanie_T> not just omv
2015-09-20 22:25 <nebadon> H-H-H the region is up now
2015-09-20 22:25 <Melanie_T> omv is just one part that is known to fail on windows when built by moo
2015-09-20 22:25 <Melanie_T> mono
2015-09-20 22:25 <nebadon> its "OKC Raspberry Pi2"
2015-09-20 22:25 <Melanie_T> but there may be more issues
2015-09-20 22:25 <nebadon> mooooooooooooo
2015-09-20 22:25 <Melanie_T> also, diva still has to fix her versioning code
2015-09-20 22:25 <lkalif> Melanie_T: it fails on purpose, we have some #if VISUAL_STUDIO
2015-09-20 22:26 <Melanie_T> and why is that so?
2015-09-20 22:27 <lkalif> something about udp socket flags that mono chokes on when it compiles them
2015-09-20 22:27 <lkalif> but executes bytecode fine
2015-09-20 22:28 <lkalif> there also something about ssl
2015-09-20 22:28 <Melanie_T> so i take it mono runtimes don't need those flags but windows does?
2015-09-20 22:28 <Melanie_T> because running a mono build libomv under mono works
2015-09-20 22:28 <H-H-H> thanks nebadon :) got it :)
2015-09-20 22:29 <lkalif> it was long time ago, i don't rememver the detauls
2015-09-20 22:29 <lkalif> ¨but windows compiled one is running better
2015-09-20 22:30 <lkalif> hopefully that will change now that they start using ms compiler from vs2015
2015-09-20 23:12 <zadark> If updating http_server as mentioned earlier, would it be possible to update to .net 4 as libomv has recently? 
2015-09-20 23:14 <Melanie_T> it doesn't really matter
2015-09-20 23:15 <Melanie_T> there isn't an advantage
2015-09-20 23:15 <Melanie_T> but there is a risk
2015-09-20 23:15 <Melanie_T> so why?
2015-09-20 23:15 <zadark> It would be progress to removing net 3.5 as a dependancy
2015-09-20 23:15 <Melanie_T> .net 3.5 is always present
2015-09-20 23:15 <Melanie_T> so that's not a big thing
2015-09-20 23:16 <zadark> always present on what?
2015-09-20 23:16 <Melanie_T> it's an integral part of mono and easily installed on windows most windows installs probably have it anyway 
2015-09-20 23:17 <zadark> If you say so
2015-09-20 23:17 <Plugh> mono 2.10 includes .net 3.5 support?
2015-09-20 23:18 <Melanie_T> of course
2015-09-20 23:18 <Plugh> What about 4.0?
2015-09-20 23:18 <zadark> Not talking about mono
2015-09-20 23:18 <Melanie_T> that as well
2015-09-20 23:18 <Plugh> ok. 
2015-09-20 23:18 <zadark> no worries, can build http_server locally
2015-09-20 23:19 <Plugh> zadark: you have to consider mono otherwise you could raise the required .net version to something not available for non-Windows users.
2015-09-20 23:20 <zadark> Not ignoring mono either
2015-09-20 23:20 <zadark> I run both
2015-09-20 23:23 <rodger> i need help i am getting this error http://pastebin.com/tHWVrt6n
2015-09-20 23:23 <rodger> and the very short code is http://pastebin.com/GkAqbB0Y
2015-09-20 23:23 <rodger> what is causing this?
2015-09-20 23:26 <Melanie_T> m_log.Info((string)mDhttpMethod["requestbody"]);
2015-09-20 23:26 <Melanie_T> it's maybe a different name
2015-09-20 23:26 <Melanie_T> like request_body
2015-09-20 23:26 <Melanie_T> check the hashtable contents
2015-09-20 23:26 <Melanie_T> but that is the only line in your code that _can_ cause a nullref
2015-09-20 23:30 <rodger> m_log is working as i can see the request data as <llsd> bla bla
2015-09-20 23:33 <Plugh> rodger: You sure that m_dhttpMethod was initialized earlier in your code? 
2015-09-20 23:34 <rodger> plugh what do you mean
2015-09-20 23:36 <Ubit> ( the AvatarWearable.MAX_WEARABLES is the max type ID of wearables, possible should be named like that)   Wearables are stored on a array with a entry per typeID, that entry has lists of the ones in use )
2015-09-20 23:36 <Ubit> so adding a new typeID   flames...
2015-09-20 23:38 <rodger> i thought i did initilize it when i declaird hashtable m_dhttpMetho
2015-09-20 23:58 <osmantis> Bug #7726:04 [RADMIN] terrain save-tile generate gray image (see 7721) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7726 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-21 00:20 <lkalif> Melanie_T: 3.5 is not always there
2015-09-21 00:20 <lkalif> ´2 is in 4+ bundles
2015-09-21 00:21 <lkalif> So it's actually benefitial to skip 3.5
2015-09-21 02:01 <Ken_S> The new OSSearch, OSProfile, and OSBirds add-ons compile with errors with the new AVN branch code.
2015-09-21 02:01 <Ken_S> Is this expected, at least for now?
2015-09-21 02:04 <Plugh> OSBirds?
2015-09-21 02:05 <Plugh> The ossearch/OpenSimSearch and osprofile/OpenSimProfile modules compile without error, AFAIK. 
2015-09-21 02:05 <Plugh> Ken_S: What version of OS are you using to compile those modules?building 
2015-09-21 02:05 <Plugh> s/building//
2015-09-21 02:07 <Ken_S> They compile OK using the latest dev master, but
2015-09-21 02:08 <Ken_S> they compile with errors with the Avination merge branch code
2015-09-21 02:08 <Ken_S> I used latest pulls for both
2015-09-21 02:09 <Ken_S> I dropped the source code for each add-on into the add-ons folder as usual, then ran pre-build, then compiled.
2015-09-21 02:19 -!- nebadon(~nebadon@c-69-248-63-104.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has left #opensim-dev
2015-09-21 02:19 <nebadon> im trying now Ken_S
2015-09-21 02:19 <nebadon> with search and profile
2015-09-21 02:20 <Ken_S> k
2015-09-21 02:20 <nebadon> 0 errors on compile
2015-09-21 02:20 <nebadon> let me see if dlls exist
2015-09-21 02:20 <nebadon> they do
2015-09-21 02:22 <nebadon> maybe its the birds one?
2015-09-21 02:23 <Ken_S> I thought I tried without the birds module and it still complained.
2015-09-21 02:23 <Ken_S> I'll try again...
2015-09-21 02:25 <nebadon> im logging in now to see if profile works
2015-09-21 02:25 <nebadon> i just updated to the very latest avinationmerge branch too
2015-09-21 02:25 <nebadon> ya profile is working :)
2015-09-21 02:26 <nebadon> search too
2015-09-21 02:27 <Ken_S> Nebadon, yes you are right, it was the birds module.
2015-09-21 02:27 <nebadon> k
2015-09-21 02:27 <nebadon> hopefully someone will fix it
2015-09-21 02:27 <nebadon> who owns it?
2015-09-21 02:27 <Ken_S> If not, its no big deal, but it is kinda cool
2015-09-21 02:27 <nebadon> im sure someone will
2015-09-21 02:28 <nebadon> its probably not that hard to do
2015-09-21 02:28 <nebadon> ive never looked at it though
2015-09-21 02:29 <Ken_S> I think Jak Daniels is the one who has been maintaining it to work with os code changes
2015-09-21 02:46 <Plugh> I've not heard of the Birds module. What is that?
2015-09-21 02:47 <Ken_S> It creates flocking birds with sounds.
2015-09-21 02:47 <Plugh> um... ok. cool.
2015-09-21 02:47 <Plugh> Got a URL for it?
2015-09-21 02:47 <Ken_S> You can specify the object used as the bird.
2015-09-21 02:48 <Ken_S> And the numbers of birds and limits of how high etc they can go.
2015-09-21 02:49 <Plugh> yeah. You wouldn't want a bird showing a few thousand meters in the air.
2015-09-21 02:50 <nebadon> can you define how many coconuts your swallow can carry?
2015-09-21 02:51 <nebadon> :P
2015-09-21 02:51 <Ken_S> Yes, if your master swallow has that many in its grip :)
2015-09-21 02:51 <smxy_> ROFL
2015-09-21 02:56 <Plugh> Ken_S: Give me a couple minutes to check that module.
2015-09-21 02:58 <Ken_S> Does os have any type of basic search module built in that can be used without running a web server?
2015-09-21 02:59 <nebadon> only for standalone I think Ken_S
2015-09-21 02:59 <Plugh> hm... it isn't just a case of needing changes in the assembly statements for use with 0.8.1/master. It is breaking due to an issue with SOG.
2015-09-21 02:59 <nebadon> the included basic search is not complete
2015-09-21 03:00 <nebadon> its like names and groups maybe
2015-09-21 03:00 <nebadon> nothing else
2015-09-21 03:00 <nebadon> regions too i guess
2015-09-21 03:00 <Ken_S> Any documentation on the correct way to use the built in search?
2015-09-21 03:00 <nebadon> I think it just works when enabled
2015-09-21 03:00 <nebadon> there isnt anything to it
2015-09-21 03:01 <Ken_S> And what is the proper way to enable it?
2015-09-21 03:01 <nebadon> it just kind of exposes stuff the viewer already could do anyway
2015-09-21 03:03 <nebadon> Ken_S nothing
2015-09-21 03:03 <nebadon> if you dont enable any other search modules
2015-09-21 03:03 <nebadon> its automatically enabled
2015-09-21 03:03 <Ken_S> OK fair enough
2015-09-21 03:03 <nebadon> i was just checking to make sure
2015-09-21 03:03 <nebadon> if you look in Standalone.ini
2015-09-21 03:03 <nebadon> you will see it
2015-09-21 03:03 <Ken_S> So basically, you eliminate anything that references searching
2015-09-21 03:03 <Ken_S> OK thanks
2015-09-21 03:03 <nebadon> setting it again in the common file would over ride it to something else
2015-09-21 03:04 <nebadon> np
2015-09-21 03:07 <Plugh> Ken_S: Read the README file. :)
2015-09-21 03:07 <nebadon> RTFM DUDE!!!!
2015-09-21 03:07 <nebadon> jk
2015-09-21 03:07 <Plugh> hehe
2015-09-21 03:07 <Plugh> I wrote up a fairly detailed README for the search and profile modules.
2015-09-21 03:07 <nebadon> nice
2015-09-21 03:08 <nebadon> im certain i read it at some point
2015-09-21 03:08 <Plugh> 280 lines in the README for ossearch.
2015-09-21 03:08 <Plugh> 125 lines for osprofile.
2015-09-21 03:26 <linkedinyou> huggies for everyone believe in opensim future as i deeply from my heart do :))))))
2015-09-21 03:29 <Plugh> Ken_S: Do you know why the birds module cards about sitting avatars?
2015-09-21 03:31 <Ken_S> It cares about sitting AVs???
2015-09-21 03:31 <Ken_S> No, I have no idea
2015-09-21 03:32 <Ken_S> It has nothing to do with avatars.
2015-09-21 03:40 <Plugh> That's the line where it breaks.
2015-09-21 03:40 <Plugh> avatarsSitList = sog.GetSittingAvatars();
2015-09-21 03:42 <Ken_S> I have no idea why that would be needed
2015-09-21 03:42 <Plugh> Ken_S: Try commenting out lines 477 through 481.
2015-09-21 03:42 <Plugh> It just appears to be in a routine related to stats so it may not be of any real importance.
2015-09-21 03:43 <Plugh> Oh. one other line would need to be modified.
2015-09-21 03:44 <Ken_S> Which source file is this in?
2015-09-21 03:45 <Ken_S> FlockingModule ?
2015-09-21 03:49 <Plugh> Ken_S: I think I've just fixed it.
2015-09-21 03:50 <Plugh> Its a one line change.
2015-09-21 03:51 <Plugh> three lines.
2015-09-21 03:53 <Ken_S> If it appears to be fixed, maybe let jakdaniels know what you did.
2015-09-21 03:53 <Plugh> In line 445 change both references of ScenePresence to UUID
2015-09-21 03:53 <Plugh> I can push the changes.
2015-09-21 03:53 <Ken_S> ok
2015-09-21 03:53 <Plugh> make the same change in line 478
2015-09-21 03:54 <Plugh> In line 480 change av.UUID to just av.
2015-09-21 03:54 <Plugh> I don't know if it runs but it compiles.
2015-09-21 03:54 <Ken_S> I can test shortly
2015-09-21 03:54 <Plugh> If you make those changes in your copy you will be able to try out that module.
2015-09-21 04:00 <Plugh> Ken_S: Hm... the code change I provided is just for use with the avnmerge branch. Ubit changed the API for SOG. GetSittingAvatars() Used to return a scene presence but in avnmerge Ubit made it return UUIDs
2015-09-21 04:01 <Ken_S> Does that look like an oversight?
2015-09-21 04:05 <Plugh> I don't think so. It was probably changed for a reason but I would have to dig through the changelog history of the SOG file to find out when it changed and if the commit explains why it was changed. 
2015-09-21 04:05 <Plugh> Of course, you could just ask Ubit about it. :)
2015-09-21 04:09 <Plugh> hm... it seems it used to return a list of UUIDs, then it returned a list of ScenePresence after Justin changed the code, AFAICT. Now its back to a list of UUIDs.
2015-09-21 04:10 <Plugh> The change was in git master as of r/24581 (commit hash 6ac9c9c97277e510cbe7eb908f3cf7883a01c1c3) for reference.
2015-09-21 04:11 <misterblue> that's one problem with the merge... some opensim changes were removed in the merge... merging is not a one way thing
2015-09-21 04:11 <Plugh> This is something that should be discussed with Ubit tomorrow.
2015-09-21 04:11 <Plugh> yea, this looks like a change that needs to be reverted.
2015-09-21 04:11 <misterblue> I have made a gigantic diff of the merge and am going through it by hand to see if I can find more of these
2015-09-21 04:12 <misterblue> it's slow going as I have to understand what the code is trying to do and whether the change is for the good or a regression
2015-09-21 04:12 <Plugh> ok, if you didn't have that one on your list you do now.
2015-09-21 04:12 <Plugh> yea, I bet it is slow going with the massive amount of changes.
2015-09-21 04:13 <misterblue> returning a list is UUIDs is pretty raw... returning SOGs is a better thing
2015-09-21 04:13 <misterblue> Plugh: load oar has --no-object and a --force-parcel parameters: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Load_Oar
2015-09-21 04:14 <Plugh> but that requires having an oar file and not just a terrain file.
2015-09-21 04:14 <Plugh> still, it would be a work around.
2015-09-21 04:15 <Plugh> I haven't loaded terrain files in a while. I don't know if that process has gotten more reliable or not.
2015-09-21 04:15 <Plugh> It used to take several load attempts to get the terrain loaded.
2015-09-21 04:16 <misterblue> there isn't anything between a heightmap and an oar file... heighmap plus parcel info would be a new format I guesss
2015-09-21 04:16 <Plugh> ?
2015-09-21 04:16 <Plugh> The 13 layer raw format includes parcel data.
2015-09-21 04:17 <Plugh> It just isn't used that often any more.
2015-09-21 04:17 <misterblue> well, paint me with a mistaken crayon... I learn something new everyday 
2015-09-21 04:20 <Plugh> I did some minor work on the terrain loader stuff some years back so I looked at the file format for raw files. I just don't remember it that well now.
2015-09-21 04:23 <Plugh> aww...nuts. That regression in SOG will have ripples through the code.
2015-09-21 04:24 <Plugh> I just fixed the SOG file in my copy and rebuilt and got a compile error in Scene.cs  :P
2015-09-21 04:26 <Plugh> There are 8 files that make use of GetSittingAvatars
2015-09-21 04:29 <Plugh> make that 5. 
2015-09-21 04:42 <Plugh> wtf? GetSittingAvatars().Count instead of GetSittingAvatarsCount()?
2015-09-21 05:06 <Plugh> misterblue: http://pastebin.com/dQDbhX7e
2015-09-21 05:07 <Plugh> That patch fixes the GetSittingAvatars() regression. I see some other changes in code around a few of those changes. I don't know if those are other regressions or not. 
2015-09-21 05:08 <Plugh> For the changes I checked against git master.
2015-09-21 05:10 <Plugh> If all that looks ok I can commit and push the changes tomorrow.
2015-09-21 14:14 <misterblue> Plugh: looked over your patch for sitting avatars... looks ok but are there supposed to be patches to OpenSim.ini.example at the end?
2015-09-21 14:15 <Plugh> um... no there aren't. I'll check the changes I commited locally and amend it if there are ini changes.
2015-09-21 14:15 <misterblue> that said... the keeping and bookkeeping of a list of sitting avatars seems wonky and prone to errors... and it looks like most code that uses it really wants sitting plus some other test
2015-09-21 14:15 <Plugh> My OS tree has other changes.
2015-09-21 14:16 <Plugh> I didn't look at the logic of what was going on there. I was just trying to revert that code change.
2015-09-21 14:16 <misterblue> probably not the time for it (while complex merging is going on) but, if I was in a refactor mood, I'd replace all that logic with rebuilding the list if needed and not trying to keep the list
2015-09-21 14:17 <misterblue> it also seems odd that it's in SOG and SOP
2015-09-21 14:17 <misterblue> ya... for the moment, set it back to retruning a list of ScenePresences is good
2015-09-21 14:17 <Plugh> yea, that does seem odd. AFAIK, you can only have one avatar sitting on a prim so you wouldn't need to keep a list of them in SOP.
2015-09-21 14:18 <Plugh> misterblue: ok. I'm about to have something to eat shortly. I'll review the changes and push once I remove anything that slipped in by mistake.
2015-09-21 14:18 <misterblue> it looks like it is tangled up in the code that trys to count prims in a region and the problem that a sitting avatar becomes a child and all that mess
2015-09-21 14:18 <Plugh> Perhaps the intention is to allow more than one avatar to sit on (large) prims.
2015-09-21 14:19 <Plugh> 
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2015-09-21 14:20 <Plugh> Um... yeah, this 3D model needs to be decimated severely. 500,000 triangles.
2015-09-21 14:20 <Plugh> Going to see what I can do with this model before breaking for food.
2015-09-21 14:21 <jakdaniels> Plugh: do I need to change anything in the OpenSimBirds module or will this work again after this fix?
2015-09-21 14:22 <misterblue> Plugh: this patch is going into 'avinationmerge'?
2015-09-21 14:22 <Plugh> jakdaniels: Morning. No changes will be needed after the regression in OS is reverted.
2015-09-21 14:22 <Plugh> misterblue: yes.
2015-09-21 14:22 <misterblue> goodness
2015-09-21 14:22 <jakdaniels> ok Plugh, thanks
2015-09-21 14:22 <Plugh> jakdaniels: yw
2015-09-21 14:22 <Plugh> misterblue: yup. 
2015-09-21 14:22 <Plugh> misterblue: Saves you some additional work. :)
2015-09-21 14:24 <jakdaniels> you may have wondered why the birds modules gets a list of sitting avatars.... it make scripting sitting on the birds (they could be surf boards ;) much easier as the stats returns a list of the prims uuids and the uuids of any avatars that may be sat on them
2015-09-21 14:26 <Plugh> ok. I haven't looked at the details of the code beyond working out how to make it compile the other day when the regression was found.
2015-09-21 14:26 <Plugh> It could be a fun thing to add to a grid.
2015-09-21 14:27 <jakdaniels> It is fun riding on the 'bird' prims yes... especially as I say if they are surf boards and leave particle trails ;)
2015-09-21 14:28 <Plugh> ok, food time. bbl.
2015-09-21 14:37 <zadark> Ubit: Re commit a81a1865b52fa9527afff3238e6349cddf250420 Stats interval is disabled by [Startup] LogShowStatsSeconds = 0 .. Merge reinstated
2015-09-21 14:37 <zadark> ...\OpenSim\Framework\Servers\BaseOpenSimServer.cs - (88, 13) : m_periodicDiagnosticsTimer.Elapsed += new ElapsedEventHandler(LogDiagnostics); 
2015-09-21 14:37 <zadark> ...\OpenSim\Framework\Servers\BaseOpenSimServer.cs - (89, 13) : m_periodicDiagnosticsTimer.Enabled = true;
2015-09-21 14:37 <zadark> Remove these and use LogShowStatsSeconds = 0
2015-09-21 15:21 <nebadon> grr skype is down worldwide!
2015-09-21 15:23 <Plugh> I was starting to think it was down. 
2015-09-21 15:23 <Plugh> I was able to sign out and back in again to stop its icon in the system tray from spinning endlessly.
2015-09-21 15:24 <nebadon> ya so far I cant yet
2015-09-21 15:24 <Plugh> nebadon: did you find a message about their being down somewhere?
2015-09-21 15:24 <nebadon> yes
2015-09-21 15:24 <nebadon> http://heartbeat.skype.com
2015-09-21 15:25 <Plugh> ah, ok.
2015-09-21 15:26 <Plugh> Of course they don't seem to have a link to that on their main pages.
2015-09-21 15:27 <nebadon>  haha ya
2015-09-21 15:51 <H-H-H> i heard it should be back up soon
2015-09-21 15:56 <lkalif> https://twitter.com/Skype/status/645980952930447360
2015-09-21 16:06 <nebadon> ya skype is working again now for me for the moment
2015-09-21 16:10 <Plugh> don't be so sure. I'm logged in but I have a couple of messages that still haven't gone through.
2015-09-21 16:10 <Plugh> ah! Just got signs of life. Some new messages just popped up in Skype.
2015-09-21 16:13 <Plugh> I still have two messages that haven't been sent.
2015-09-21 16:14 <Plugh> nebadon: OT question. Have you ever had to clean up a 3D model that started as a point cloud from a 3D scan (and was turned in to .ply model)?
2015-09-21 16:20 <nebadon> ive tried it
2015-09-21 16:20 <nebadon> its usually not fun
2015-09-21 16:20 <nebadon> decimation tool in blender is your friend :)
2015-09-21 16:21 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq-6X3pzUOE
2015-09-21 16:22 <nebadon> newest blender has more decimate options than that tutorial shows
2015-09-21 16:25 <Plugh> I tried decimate and it wasn't donig anything afaict. I think it might have had indigestion from the size of the point cloud.
2015-09-21 16:25 <nebadon> maybe its not a mesh
2015-09-21 16:25 <Plugh> Blender reported it as 500,000 faces
2015-09-21 16:25 <nebadon> if its just points then decimate wont do anything
2015-09-21 16:25 <nebadon> ok thats not too horrible
2015-09-21 16:26 <nebadon> bad would be like 10 million faces
2015-09-21 16:26 <nebadon> hehe
2015-09-21 16:26 <Plugh> yeah. I'm looking at it in MeshLab now. I just don't know how to do anything with it.
2015-09-21 16:26 <nebadon> dont use meshlab
2015-09-21 16:26 <nebadon> use blender
2015-09-21 16:26 <nebadon> its far superior
2015-09-21 16:26 <nebadon> meshlab has always just destroyed objects for me
2015-09-21 16:26 <nebadon> accutrans is pretty good
2015-09-21 16:26 <nebadon> better than meshlab
2015-09-21 16:26 <Plugh> I'll kill blender and start again.
2015-09-21 16:27 <Plugh> Its locked up
2015-09-21 16:27 <nebadon> ya thats one of the downsides of blender
2015-09-21 16:27 <nebadon> big models make it slow
2015-09-21 16:27 <nebadon> though 500k isnt big
2015-09-21 16:27 <nebadon> i have models with 4-5 million
2015-09-21 16:28 <nebadon> i have models that architects send me that are not point cloud
2015-09-21 16:28 <nebadon> they are actually made with Archicad or Sketchup
2015-09-21 16:28 <nebadon> that are 2-3 million for just a single building
2015-09-21 16:28 <nebadon> i spend days sometimes decimating them
2015-09-21 16:28 <Plugh> I was hoping this point cloud would save me time from building the portion of the model that I actually need but maybe it won't.
2015-09-21 16:28 <nebadon> i spent 50 hours on one building
2015-09-21 16:28 <nebadon> use it as a template
2015-09-21 16:29 <nebadon> and trace over it low poly
2015-09-21 16:29 <Plugh> yeah
2015-09-21 16:29 <nebadon> or shrinkwrap it
2015-09-21 16:29 <Plugh> Oh, yeah. I forgot about that feature. I can do that in Rhino.
2015-09-21 16:29 <nebadon> i love shrinkwrap
2015-09-21 16:29 <nebadon> what a life saver
2015-09-21 16:29 <nebadon> i use it to paint stripes on roads too
2015-09-21 16:39 <Plugh> Thanks for reminding me about Drape (in Rhino). I've just got a surface for the portion of the original model that is of interest to me. It will be easy now to clean the surface and do what I need to do with it.
2015-09-21 16:42 <Ubit> hmm merge has diferent sit avatar lists
2015-09-21 16:42 <Ubit> and a prim can have several avatar sitting on it
2015-09-21 16:43 <Ubit> zadark ?
2015-09-21 16:45 <Plugh> lunch time. bbl.
2015-09-21 16:45 <Ubit> ohh that avatar thing was on avnmerge hmm
2015-09-21 16:46 <zadark> Bit of a guess really, thought you clobbered 'show server throttles' to remove the hourly stats on the console.
2015-09-21 16:47 <zadark> Whereas LogShowStatsSeconds = 0 is broken post merge
2015-09-21 16:48 <linkedinyou> nebadon: i use Zbrush or Blender and it decimate . they decimate fast other are Optimizers do the same
2015-09-21 16:58 <H-H-H> hmmm why is it when im in the boats at seaprior and i click stand up it just ignores it
2015-09-21 16:59 <H-H-H> o crap wrong chan sorry
2015-09-21 17:00 <Ubit> hope that was it zadark
2015-09-21 17:01 <zadark> Ubit: thanks, will test and report back
2015-09-21 17:15 <Ubit> well now the uuids /  pointers do scenepresences.. avn always used the uuids
2015-09-21 17:16 <zadark> LogShowStatsSeconds = 0 works 
2015-09-21 17:16 <Ubit> cool
2015-09-21 17:16 <Ubit> it was bad merded code
2015-09-21 17:17 <zadark> thks
2015-09-21 17:17 <Melanie_T> that should not have gone in, Plugh 
2015-09-21 17:18 <Melanie_T> fixing core to support a not in core module is never a good idea
2015-09-21 17:18 <Melanie_T> the birds module should have adapted
2015-09-21 17:18 <Melanie_T> not core changed
2015-09-21 17:18 <Melanie_T> UUIDs are the safrer option. storing scenepresences can lead to memory leaks
2015-09-21 17:18 <Melanie_T> as a SP that remains in such a list for some reason cannot be garbage collected
2015-09-21 17:19 <Melanie_T> so that change is for the birds. literally
2015-09-21 17:20 <Melanie_T> also, it runs counter to an EC model where there is nos pecific type "scene presence", it being just a scene entity with a presence component
2015-09-21 17:28 <jakdaniels> I don't mind changing the birds module, but I wonder how many other things might rely on the core code sog.GetSittingAvatars() being the way it was before the avnmerge
2015-09-21 17:29 <Melanie_T> well, we found that avn actually had both
2015-09-21 17:29 <Melanie_T> lists of uuids and lists of SPs
2015-09-21 17:29 <Melanie_T> so i guess we can keep it lists of SP
2015-09-21 17:30 <Melanie_T> but still, core can not take into account whether or not a non-core module gets broken
2015-09-21 17:30 <jakdaniels> as it is, I won't change the module until the avnmerge is in master. Also I'd rather not have to maintain multiple versions, is there a way I can easily code for both scenarios in one module?
2015-09-21 17:30 <Melanie_T> we're always happy to help and advise in fixing them
2015-09-21 17:30 <Ubit> yeap no need to rush changes
2015-09-21 17:30 <Melanie_T> but we can't be bound by the functionality non-core modules expect
2015-09-21 17:31 <Melanie_T> jakdaniels: it looks like it will stay core compatible
2015-09-21 17:31 <Melanie_T> regardless, why would you need to maintain two versions?
2015-09-21 17:31 <Melanie_T> wouldn't you just tag the version for, say, 0.8.1 and then move on?
2015-09-21 17:32 <Melanie_T> after all, we don't recommend that people run old code anyway
2015-09-21 17:32 <Melanie_T> which is one reason we will kill of 0.7 in this bump
2015-09-21 17:32 <Melanie_T> there should be no more 0.7 in operation by now
2015-09-21 17:32 <jakdaniels> Yes, I guess so. Its not much of an issue.
2015-09-21 17:32 <Melanie_T> anyone still running ancient code should upgrade
2015-09-21 17:33 <Melanie_T> 0.8.1 is well tested
2015-09-21 17:33 <Melanie_T> afk
2015-09-21 17:33 <Ubit> Returns the list of linked presences (avatars sat on this group)        /// </summary>        /// <param name="agentID"></param>        public List<ScenePresence> GetLinkedAvatars()        {            return m_linkedAvatars;        }
2015-09-21 17:33 <jakdaniels> So are you saying that actually that call into sog will stay the same as it is in master?
2015-09-21 17:33 <Ubit> this was older api to get scenepresences sitting
2015-09-21 17:36 <Ubit> well with this patch we have 2 things doing similar things in diferent parts of code  :)
2015-09-21 17:36 <Ubit>             dupe.m_linkedAvatars = new List<ScenePresence>();
2015-09-21 17:36 <Ubit>             dupe.m_sittingAvatars = new List<ScenePresence>();
2015-09-21 17:37 <Ubit> doesn't sound nice.. does it ? :)
2015-09-21 17:38 <Ubit> well il wait for plugh and review this
2015-09-21 17:38 <Plugh> I should have known better than to push code changes that haven't been reviewed. My changes always get shot down. ok, I'll revert that change if the change from SP to UUID is the way to go.
2015-09-21 17:39 <jakdaniels> Well I'm confused now after Melanie said it will stay core compatible
2015-09-21 17:39 <jakdaniels> Will it be changed or not??
2015-09-21 17:39 <Ubit> well mel pointed some reasons for the uuids..  and we did kept both lists
2015-09-21 17:39 <Plugh> If it is going to cause memory leaks then it would be better to use UUIDs. It as UUID before Justin changed it to SPs. Now the merge changed it back to UUIDs again.
2015-09-21 17:40 <rodger> i am trying to loop through a list of uuid of users that are in the region, this is the short code http://pastebin.com/nijCvcPf what should i do to loop thrugh presence
2015-09-21 17:40 <Plugh> sp.UUID, iirc.
2015-09-21 17:41 <jakdaniels> I was doing this: avatarsSitList = sog.GetSittingAvatars(); foreach (ScenePresence av in avatarsSitList) ....
2015-09-21 17:41 <Ubit> jakdaniels  wait a bit... this are changes on avnmerge not master... if master will change you will notice
2015-09-21 17:41 <jakdaniels> but now I guess it would be foreach(UUID avuuid in avatarsSitList) ?
2015-09-21 17:41 <Ubit> and it will not be today ..
2015-09-21 17:41 <jakdaniels> yes I know.... just prepearing ;) ;)
2015-09-21 18:06 <Melanie_T> Plugh: no, we will keep SP
2015-09-21 18:06 <Melanie_T> and remove our duplicate one
2015-09-21 18:06 <Melanie_T> and merge the uses
2015-09-21 18:17 <rodger> plugh i have in the code on new client to add the clients uuid to a list then i am tring to loop thru the list like this foreach (UUID aagent in m_UsceneList)
2015-09-21 18:17 <rodger>             {
2015-09-21 18:18 <rodger> but it will not disply each id on the console
2015-09-21 18:23 <Plugh> what type of object is m_UsceneList?
2015-09-21 18:28 <rodger> uuid list
2015-09-21 18:35 <rodger> Plugh uuid 
2015-09-21 18:56 <Plugh> ok. You convert to string before outputting it to the console.
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2015-09-22 04:52 <Ken_S> Just updated a large var to the new avn branch code on a test grid.
2015-09-22 04:53 <Ken_S> Database upgrade appeared to go well, sim started normal and all 75,000 prims and 5000+ scripts looked good.
2015-09-22 04:54 <Ken_S> Most have started with an empty sim, but this was far from an empty sim when the upgrade was done.
2015-09-22 04:54 <Ken_S> Normal sims are still being run on this test grid
2015-09-22 04:55 <Ken_S> TPs between the old and new code seem to work fine so far.
2015-09-22 04:55 <Plugh> I started with an empty db just to see what would happen. I'll do some tests later one with a copy of my standalones DBs.
2015-09-22 04:56 <Ken_S> This was the largest and most complex sim on my test grid
2015-09-22 04:56 <Ken_S> It was a 6x6 var
2015-09-22 04:57 <Ken_S> Only thing I have noticed so far is 2 things...
2015-09-22 04:57 <Ken_S> 1. The mouselook view position appears slightly higher
2015-09-22 04:58 <Ken_S> 2. The Viewer freeze I always get when TPing from a var to a normal sim is still there, but
2015-09-22 04:58 <Plugh> hm... I thought that was supposed to have been fixed (at least in master).
2015-09-22 04:58 <Ken_S> The AV appears to have continued along the path it was on when the freeze ends, sometimes 1/2 sim away from when the freeze started.
2015-09-22 04:59 <Plugh> Worth investigating the TP issue further.
2015-09-22 04:59 <nebadon> the larger the var the worse that gets
2015-09-22 04:59 <nebadon> 6x6 is gigantic
2015-09-22 04:59 <Ken_S> Some people have this freeze and others dont
2015-09-22 04:59 <nebadon> thats a huge terrain
2015-09-22 04:59 <nebadon> its 100s of mb
2015-09-22 04:59 <Ken_S> Seems to depend on the video card they are using
2015-09-22 05:00 <Ken_S> Anyway, it went MUCH better than expected.
2015-09-22 05:01 <Ken_S> From what I have seen, Robust did not change much.
2015-09-22 05:01 <Ken_S> I have not upgraded Robust on this test grid yet.
2015-09-22 16:06 <osmantis> Bug #7726:04 [RADMIN] terrain save-tile generate gray image (see 7721) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7726 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2015-09-22 16:15 <osmantis> Bug #7726:04 [RADMIN] terrain save-tile generate gray image (see 7721) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7726 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-22 16:17 <osmantis> Bug #7726:04 [RADMIN] terrain save-tile generate gray image (see 7721) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7726 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-22 17:56 <MarcusLlewellyn> OpenSim Dev Meeting is being streamed live: http://www.youtube.com/c/MarcusLlewellyn/live
2015-09-22 17:59 <Ubit> dev meeting ?
2015-09-22 18:00 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yup.
2015-09-22 18:01 <Plugh> Its that time of the week again
2015-09-22 18:02 <Ubit> ok im there
2015-09-22 18:02 <Ubit> hmm on a nice spot :p
2015-09-22 18:02 <Plugh> 
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2015-09-22 18:02 <Plugh> hehe
2015-09-22 18:04 <nebadon>  on my way
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2015-09-22 18:26 <Ubit> wqburst?   yeack..  cli is not vi :)
2015-09-22 21:39 <Plugh> jakdaniels: Cool. I have 20 seagulls flying around in a sandbox  :D
2015-09-22 21:46 <Plugh> hm... a min height for the birds module would be useful.
2015-09-22 22:21 <jakdaniels> Plugh: they should detect terrain ground levels and prim objects in a scene and form a crude 'avoid' map using 1 metre sampling. The code could easily 'clamp' prim movement to a min or a max height, but this would probably look weird when viewing in world. Perhaps it needs to be more of a soft limit, maybe related to ground height? :)
2015-09-22 22:25 <Plugh> What is the typical(?) min height above terrain?
2015-09-22 22:26 <Plugh> yea. A flock of eagles would fly around near the top of a mountain but seagulls by water would fly lower down.
2015-09-22 22:27 <Ubit> moderate use of raycast?
2015-09-22 22:27 <Plugh> jakdaniels: The other feature that would be good to have is access restrictions. Limit control of flocks to given avatar(s), region or parcel owner, estate manager, or members of a group.
2015-09-22 22:28 <Ubit> bahh remembered my pains with some birds at avn
2015-09-22 22:28 <Plugh> Oh? What sort of pain?
2015-09-22 22:28 <Ubit> the damm thinkg kept dieing..
2015-09-22 22:28 <Plugh> oh
2015-09-22 22:29 <Ubit> ufff  always changing the shape..  plus odd lookats etc etc
2015-09-22 22:29 <Plugh> I decided to do something fun and try out the OpenSimBirds module.
2015-09-22 22:29 <jakdaniels> At the moment I think that is most influenced by the BirdsRegionBorderSize parameter which sets a border within the region size, e.g. 256m - 5m, and the BirdsMaxHeight setting which sets the upper limit. the lower limit should be terrain or water height at the moment.
2015-09-22 22:29 <Ubit> those very fast wings little birds?
2015-09-22 22:29 <jakdaniels> ^^typical(?) min height above terrain...
2015-09-22 22:30 <Plugh> jakdaniels: is size a multiple of the object size?
2015-09-22 22:30 <Plugh> ie. 2 would make the "bird" twice the size of the original prim?
2015-09-22 22:31 <Plugh> jakdaniels: One reason for min flying height would be for larger flying objects (ie. planes or dragons). You wouldn't want them coming that close to the land.
2015-09-22 22:31 <jakdaniels> size is the size of the flock... number of prims being flown about
2015-09-22 22:32 <Plugh> jakdaniels: oh, of course it is. I was thinking I could scale them. Not sure why I thought that.
2015-09-22 22:33 <Plugh> I just showed a flock of 20 gulls flying around a sandbox to someone and they were impressed. They started thinking of all sorts of ways it could be used.
2015-09-22 22:33 <jakdaniels> sure... there is no calculation in there yet that takes into account the size of the object when trying to avoid objects
2015-09-22 22:36 <Plugh> Tolerance can be tricky. You don't want them flying through a building but they don't have to avoid the building if they are flying above it.
2015-09-22 22:37 <jakdaniels> I have to say, most of the flocking code (that defines the birds flying behaviour) was done brilliantly by someone else and I still don't understand all of it... I'm just trying to keep this module alive and possibly make it better by making it configurable and scriptable
2015-09-22 22:37 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-09-22 22:38 <Plugh> ok. I haven't looked at the code so I thought you might have written all of it.
2015-09-22 22:40 <Plugh> One of the first things I'd like to have before I deploy it in a grid is to be able to limit who can control the flocks. 
2015-09-22 22:40 <jakdaniels> and yeah, I already thought about access restrictions too, its next on the list, but its in a super list of other projects too
2015-09-22 22:40 <Plugh> jakdaniels: I know what you mean. This could easily distract me from some other projects. :)
2015-09-22 22:40 <jakdaniels> atm its simply listing to region chat
2015-09-22 22:40 <jakdaniels> *listening
2015-09-22 22:40 <Plugh> yeah
2015-09-22 22:41 <jakdaniels> Adding a owner UUID check should be trivial
2015-09-22 22:41 <Plugh> That and/or group ID check. That would be good enough for now. 
2015-09-22 22:42 <Plugh> I may have a look at that shortly. If you want to add any notes to the git repo on future enhancements and/or particular additions to the ini to be implement later I might look at adding some of them.
2015-09-22 22:42 <Plugh> ok, dinner time. bbl.
2015-09-22 22:43 <jakdaniels> ok cool, thanks Plugh :)
2015-09-22 22:46 <Ubit> what libomv  url to add credits?
2015-09-22 22:46 <Ubit> what is..
2015-09-22 22:47 <Ubit> well never mind.. it as credits all over already :p
2015-09-22 22:56 <Ubit> hmm 200kbps is painfull
2015-09-22 22:56 <Ubit> hmm  should not be.. damm
2015-09-22 23:06 <Ubit> hmm a bit worse at 100kbps :)
2015-09-22 23:06 <jakdaniels> will that make parcel data load faster in varregions?
2015-09-22 23:06 <Ubit> issue was more a MTU  violation that messed up a bit throotles
2015-09-22 23:07 <Ubit> performance will depend on type of terrain..
2015-09-22 23:08 <Ubit> previus code packet 4 patchs per packet
2015-09-22 23:08 <Ubit> this packest from  7 or 9 on flat terrain to about 2
2015-09-22 23:09 <jakdaniels> can llUDP library determine the MTU for any given network?
2015-09-22 23:09 <Ubit> no one can actually
2015-09-22 23:09 <Ubit> standard value seems to be 1400
2015-09-22 23:10 <Ubit> at least is the one in use...
2015-09-22 23:11 <Plugh> jakdaniels: btw, I'm running OSB in 080PF
2015-09-22 23:11 <Plugh> I only had to change the assembly statements at the top of the file.
2015-09-22 23:11 <Plugh> top of the FlockingModule.cs file.
2015-09-22 23:13 <Ubit> thing is that some lower level code assumes that max value per packet and doesnt get happy with more..
2015-09-22 23:13 <jakdaniels> yeah, I think I changed them when diva changed the dll hierarchy... is that the difference?
2015-09-22 23:14 <Ubit> grrr don't like this terrain download
2015-09-22 23:14 <Plugh> jakdaniels: It was part of the changes made to region modules. There are (up to?) four assembly statements which can be at the top of a file for a region module now compared to 2 before 0.8.1
2015-09-22 23:14 <jakdaniels> Ubit: what is your internet connection dl/upl sppeds?
2015-09-22 23:14 <jakdaniels> *speeds
2015-09-22 23:15 <Ubit> jak im intensionally testing with 100kbps
2015-09-22 23:18 <jakdaniels> is that by dropping udp packets locally or serverside?
2015-09-22 23:18 <Ubit> actually no drops happening
2015-09-22 23:18 <Ubit> no packet loss as i can see
2015-09-22 23:19 <Ubit> its 100kbps on viewer setting.. 
2015-09-22 23:19 <jakdaniels> so throttling server side?
2015-09-22 23:19 <Ubit> yeap
2015-09-22 23:21 <Plugh> jakdaniels: hm... the OSB module just threw out some red text
2015-09-22 23:22 <jakdaniels> pastebin it pls :)
2015-09-22 23:23 <Plugh> jakdaniels: http://pastebin.com/Z2ARbdaB
2015-09-22 23:25 <Plugh> jakdaniels: FYI, that is from a region running 080PF
2015-09-22 23:26 <jakdaniels> yes, I've seen this before.... Birds sometimes get to a coordinate that can't be recognized as a number. How... I don't know. It looks like the number is NaN, not a number, but he SQL is not escaped for values like that 
2015-09-22 23:26 <Ubit> Unknown column 'NaN'  hmm nice name :)
2015-09-22 23:26 <jakdaniels> it assumes a field called 'NaN'
2015-09-22 23:27 <jakdaniels> So, there is a bug in the birds module yes, but also a bug in the database module
2015-09-22 23:28 <Ubit> how does a bird get a coord that is a NaN ?
2015-09-22 23:28 <Plugh> That is a good question.
2015-09-22 23:28 <jakdaniels> lol.... I think its at region borders still
2015-09-22 23:28 <Ubit> we still have NaNs on those ?
2015-09-22 23:28 <jakdaniels> the code is not right.... sometimes they will stray off the edge...
2015-09-22 23:29 <Plugh> jakdaniels: I'll run the module in my standalone and hope it throws the same error. The region that tossed the error is a Windows box so it didn't give any useful backtrace.
2015-09-22 23:29 <Ubit> but there shoud be no reason for NaNs anywhere 
2015-09-22 23:30 <Ubit> ( well unless math gets really  broken :) )
2015-09-22 23:30 <Plugh> yeah
2015-09-22 23:32 <Ubit> about terrain  ppl complains that sometimes we are  abit above, others below
2015-09-22 23:32 <Ubit> guess a error around +-30cm or so
2015-09-22 23:33 <Ubit> one reason is that simulator uses original heights ( as now floats on avnmerge)
2015-09-22 23:33 <jakdaniels> is that more to do with avatar capsule height?  
2015-09-22 23:34 <Ubit> but sends compressed ones using something similar to jpeg
2015-09-22 23:34 <Ubit> thats what the terraincompressor does.. a jpeg like loss compression..
2015-09-22 23:34 <Ubit> so heights that reach  viewers are smoothed versions...
2015-09-22 23:35 <Ubit> so a error like that is expected
2015-09-22 23:35 <Ubit> ( capsule also causes a bit error yes )
2015-09-22 23:36 <Ubit> but we do see the capsule also sinking of flying... a bit
2015-09-22 23:37 <Ubit> i could work on that..  but there is a code architerue issue here..
2015-09-22 23:37 <Ubit> compression is per viewer type.. not a simulator thing..
2015-09-22 23:37 <Ubit> this is ll terrain compressor.. other viewers can use others
2015-09-22 23:38 <Ubit> so without making the ll compressor  a oficial component of the simulation,  we can't reduce that error
2015-09-22 23:39 <Ubit> well at least i still dont see how ;)
2015-09-22 23:42 <Ubit> btw ubOde currently doesn't use capsules for terrain collisions..
2015-09-22 23:43 <Ubit> so avatars don't sink in terrain as in normal ode
2015-09-22 23:44 <Ubit> ( that as a few little side effects i never bother to fix :p )
2015-09-22 23:44 <jakdaniels> what part of the av is the collision detetcted from in ubOde?
2015-09-22 23:44 <Ubit> feet
2015-09-22 23:45 <jakdaniels> just for the terrain physics mesh?
2015-09-22 23:45 <Ubit> ode doesn't use mesh for terrain
2015-09-22 23:46 <Ubit> ( neither does bullet on large regions )
2015-09-22 23:46 <jakdaniels> ok so using just the region heightmap?
2015-09-22 23:46 <Ubit> yeap
2015-09-22 23:46 <Ubit> ( sure if u place a mesh.. its used capsule etc )
2015-09-22 23:48 <Ubit> but that wil be just like another object...
2015-09-22 23:49 <Ubit> hmm terrain does have a few dedicated things..  that  i don't remember now lol
2015-09-22 23:49 <Ubit> well friction etc.. but we don't use it on avas
2015-09-22 23:50 <Ubit> hover parameters for vehicles  are heighmap relative
2015-09-22 23:51 <Ubit> a few issues on using meshs are terrain replacements
2015-09-22 23:51 <jakdaniels> terrain has a whole set of things that can be used, like llGround() as a simple example, which mesh terrains cannot use
2015-09-22 23:51 <Ubit> yeap that 2
2015-09-22 23:52 <Ubit> well i nver tested terrain as mesh in ode
2015-09-22 23:52 <Ubit> mister did and uses in bullet,  but just for normal regions
2015-09-22 23:52 <Ubit> ( but for viewers its the same as a heighmap )
2015-09-22 23:53 <Ubit> don't know why heighmaps colliders are so bad.. specially in ode
2015-09-22 23:54 <Ubit> they should be a faster version of a mesh collider..
2015-09-22 23:54 <Ubit> well whatever
2015-09-23 00:42 <Ubit> or a 0 is not a 0.0f :)
2015-09-23 00:46 <Ubit> hmm seems a vs2015 thing.. never noticed with 2010
2015-09-23 00:48 <Ubit> well or i messed it adding vars
2015-09-23 04:12 <osmantis> Bug #7726:04 [RADMIN] terrain save-tile generate gray image (see 7721) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7726 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2015-09-23 04:12 <osmantis> Bug #7726:04 [RADMIN] terrain save-tile generate gray image (see 7721) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7726 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2015-09-23 04:12 <osmantis> Bug #7726:04 [RADMIN] terrain save-tile generate gray image (see 7721) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7726 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2015-09-23 04:18 <osmantis> Bug #7718:04 [MapTiles] Simulator can not generate maptiles on the fly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7718 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2015-09-23 04:23 <osmantis> Bug #7590:04 [REGION DB] MySQL error in ExecuteNonQuery Unknown column NaN 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7590 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2015-09-23 04:23 <osmantis> Bug #7590:04 [REGION DB] MySQL error in ExecuteNonQuery Unknown column NaN 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7590 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2015-09-23 04:23 <osmantis> Bug #7590:04 [REGION DB] MySQL error in ExecuteNonQuery Unknown column NaN 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7590 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2015-09-23 07:01 <osmantis> Bug #7590:04 [REGION DB] MySQL error in ExecuteNonQuery Unknown column NaN 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7590 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-23 07:11 <RazWelles> So has anyone got a working build of an inworldz local standalone?
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2015-09-23 13:37 <mheilman> RazWelles I have a working standalone from the inworldz gitthub
2015-09-23 14:11 <lillith_xue> One Month ago i opened http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7700 and added a patch, now i figured, that i missed the LSL-Rotation casting :-) is it still possible to add another Patch, or should i do a new mantis for this?
2015-09-23 14:38 <Ubit> hmm ?
2015-09-23 14:38 <Ubit> that should be fixed on master lillith_xue
2015-09-23 14:39 <lillith_xue> you did it?
2015-09-23 14:39 <Ubit> mel did
2015-09-23 14:39 <lillith_xue> great :-)
2015-09-23 14:39 <lillith_xue> not many germans here to notive that problem :-)
2015-09-23 14:39 <lillith_xue> *notice
2015-09-23 14:42 <Ubit> errr
2015-09-23 14:42 <Ubit> actully dont see the commit 
2015-09-23 14:43 <Ubit> ahh has yr name lol
2015-09-23 14:43 <Ubit> SHA-1: 722d00903b13796854cced2f01dc26970033720a
2015-09-23 14:43 <Ubit> * Add Culture.FormatProvider to String.Format, like it is done for LSLFloat
2015-09-23 15:22 <Plugh> jakdaniels: I thought of another enhancement for the birds module. An automatic start/stop based on whether anyone is in the region.
2015-09-23 16:32 <Plugh> jakdaniels: Asking for stats in-world results in the region console saying they were sent but they don't appear. 
2015-09-23 16:32 <Plugh> jakdaniels: Seems there may be a few minor issues to look at.
2015-09-23 16:32 <Plugh> 
ACTION needs to start keeping some notes about the module.

2015-09-23 16:33 <Melanie_T> lillith_xue: when opensim is run on a server, that server is normally not localized
2015-09-23 16:33 <Melanie_T> so it would affect those who run it at home
2015-09-23 16:34 <Melanie_T> and for that, i'm surprised it's not come up sooner
2015-09-23 16:34 <Melanie_T> Plugh: that module is for the birds :)
2015-09-23 16:38 <jakdaniels> Plugh: stats are output on the chat channel 118. If you want to see them in world write a simple listener script that repeats everything on /118 to /0 and stick it in a prim. 
2015-09-23 16:39 <jakdaniels> The stats are supposed to be used in a script, i.e. a control board or something
2015-09-23 16:39 <Plugh> jakdaniels: ok. 
2015-09-23 16:40 <Plugh> jakdaniels: If a region is set to no build will the birds still rez?
2015-09-23 16:40 <Melanie_T> jakdaniels: don't use a channel unless you have to
2015-09-23 16:40 <jakdaniels> yes they should do
2015-09-23 16:40 <Melanie_T> it's less expensive to write a new script function
2015-09-23 16:40 <Plugh> Melanie_T: :)
2015-09-23 16:41 <Melanie_T> and even if you do use a channel, use a high negative number
2015-09-23 16:41 <jakdaniels> the region module only uses it to dump some stats to in world on /118 so a script can use the data
2015-09-23 16:41 <Plugh> jakdaniels: ok. I've got them running in two sandboxes but can't get them working in a populated regular region. 
2015-09-23 16:41 <jakdaniels> it's a configurable number anyway
2015-09-23 16:41 <Melanie_T> jakdaniels: the issue is that every listener needs to be checked fro a match. so chat is expensive in terms of cpu
2015-09-23 16:42 <Plugh> I've changed the number being used. This is just for testing right now. Later I can deal with a control panel.
2015-09-23 16:42 <Melanie_T> it's easier to use the scripting extensions to make a new function, like birdsGetStats()
2015-09-23 16:42 <Melanie_T> because that doesn't cause load when not in use
2015-09-23 16:42 <Ubit> birdsRunAway()
2015-09-23 16:42 <Melanie_T> channel chat will always cause load
2015-09-23 16:44 <Melanie_T> jakdaniels: do you know how to add script functions?
2015-09-23 16:44 <jakdaniels> ok, point taken, but surely it's not going to be much load...?
2015-09-23 16:44 <Melanie_T> jakdaniels: you'd be surprised. if you jave a lot of bad door scripts, the load is noticeable
2015-09-23 16:44 <jakdaniels> I've not yet looked at adding script functions no.
2015-09-23 16:45 <Melanie_T> IScriptModuleComms comms = scene.RequestModuleInterface<IScriptModuleComms>();
2015-09-23 16:45 <Melanie_T> if (comms != null)
2015-09-23 16:45 <Melanie_T> {
2015-09-23 16:45 <Melanie_T>     comms.RegisterScriptInvocation( this, "birdsGetStats");
2015-09-23 16:45 <Melanie_T> }
2015-09-23 16:46 <jakdaniels> ok... looks easy enough :)
2015-09-23 16:46 <Plugh> Sure does. Dare I say, it should be documented in the wiki. :)
2015-09-23 16:46 <Melanie_T> private void birdsGetStats(UUID host, UUID script)
2015-09-23 16:46 <Melanie_T> {
2015-09-23 16:46 <Plugh> If it isn't already
2015-09-23 16:47 <jakdaniels> so then in lsl i can just say birdsGetStats(); ?
2015-09-23 16:47 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-09-23 16:48 <Melanie_T> and you can make that function send you a special link message
2015-09-23 16:48 <Plugh> What does the host UUID refer to?
2015-09-23 16:48 <Melanie_T> get an IScriptEngine, like so
2015-09-23 16:49 <Plugh> um... bbl. I think my lunch may be ready. 
2015-09-23 16:49 <Melanie_T> IScriptModule script = scene.RequestModuleInterface<IScriptModule>();
2015-09-23 16:50 <Melanie_T> object[] resobj = new object[]
2015-09-23 16:50 <Melanie_T> {
2015-09-23 16:50 <Melanie_T>     new LSL_Integer(1), new LSL_Integer(<numvalue>), new LSL_String(<strvalue>), new LSL_String(<idvalue>)
2015-09-23 16:50 <Melanie_T> };
2015-09-23 16:51 <Melanie_T> erm
2015-09-23 16:51 <Melanie_T> make that
2015-09-23 16:51 <Melanie_T> IScriptModule scriptModule = scene.RequestModuleInterface<IScriptModule>();
2015-09-23 16:51 <Melanie_T> then....
2015-09-23 16:52 <Melanie_T> scriptModule.PostScriptEvent(script, new EventParams("link_message", resobj, new DetectParams[0]));
2015-09-23 16:53 <Melanie_T> the script will get a link message with the numvalue, strvalue and idvalue values in the message parameters
2015-09-23 16:54 <jakdaniels> cool. thanks Mel, I can see how that would be better than using a listener
2015-09-23 16:54 <Melanie_T> you will need to use and ref OpenSim/Region/ScriptEngine/Shared/Helpers
2015-09-23 16:55 <Melanie_T> to get the EventParams class
2015-09-23 16:56 <Melanie_T> jakdaniels: another way would be to allow a script to register for receving events and then sending them periodically
2015-09-23 16:56 <Melanie_T> but in the end that is more code complexity and has no advantage over using a timer in the script
2015-09-23 16:58 <lillith_xue> Melanie_T: in my case it is running on a server, and it was that way by default. not sure if all providers here do that
2015-09-23 16:58 <Melanie_T> it's usually easy to put back to en_US If it's linux
2015-09-23 16:58 <Melanie_T> windows, not so much
2015-09-23 17:02 <lillith_xue> yes it is, but iom not sure if many would do that :-) anyway, its just a glitch
2015-09-23 17:09 <jakdaniels> Melanie_T: would something like private string birdsGetStats(UUID host, UUID script, string msg) be allowed and it becomes: string ret=birdsGetStats(msg); in lsl?
2015-09-23 17:09 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-09-23 17:09 <Melanie_T> it's all automagical type munging
2015-09-23 17:10 <Melanie_T> any type that can be converted to a LSL type can be used
2015-09-23 17:11 <jakdaniels> ok that is useful to know. A named stat value could just be passed back to the script without using a link message
2015-09-23 17:17 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-09-23 17:17 <Melanie_T> or you can pass back a list
2015-09-23 17:17 <Melanie_T> the LSL_List type
2015-09-23 17:21 <osmantis> Bug #7727:04 Improper rezzing of items in hollowed out sliced prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7727 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-09-23 17:22 <osmantis> Bug #7727:04 Improper rezzing of items in hollowed out sliced prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7727 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-23 17:25 <osmantis> Bug #7727:04 Improper rezzing of items in hollowed out sliced prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7727 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-23 18:05 <Plugh> 
ACTION scratches his head

2015-09-23 18:05 <Plugh> I can't figure out why the birds module doesn't seem to be working in a populated region. I have it working fine in two empty regions.
2015-09-23 18:07 <osmantis> Bug #7532:04 Camera upon unsit in Lifts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7532 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-23 18:20 <Ken_S> Plugh, have you noticed a difference in the mouselook camera position in the new AVN merge branch?
2015-09-23 18:20 <Ken_S> I would not have thought that would change, but
2015-09-23 18:20 <Ken_S> on a plane I have always flown in mouselook, 
2015-09-23 18:21 <Ken_S> the camera is too high to see out the window in the avn branch.
2015-09-23 18:21 <Ken_S> That's really the only odd thing I've run into so far
2015-09-23 18:26 <H-H-H> hey guys i need some help lol i seem to have currupted the default plywood texture in my db how can i recover it?
2015-09-23 18:26 <H-H-H> or atleast restore it back to what it was ?
2015-09-23 18:28 <nebadon> how did you corrupt it?
2015-09-23 18:29 <H-H-H> i dont actually now 
2015-09-23 18:29 <nebadon> your sure its not a cache issue?
2015-09-23 18:29 <H-H-H> im now trying that
2015-09-23 18:29 <nebadon> on simulator type "fcache clear"
2015-09-23 18:29 <nebadon> then "fcache assets"
2015-09-23 18:29 <nebadon> and wait for it to finish, then clear viewer cache
2015-09-23 18:29 <nebadon> and log in
2015-09-23 18:29 <AliciaRaven> i have seen problems with plywood texture, i think its a viewer issue not the texture itself
2015-09-23 18:30 <H-H-H> its gone all multicoloured
2015-09-23 18:30 <nebadon> i have seen certain textures corrupt upon HG teleport
2015-09-23 18:30 <nebadon> yep
2015-09-23 18:30 <nebadon> that is a HG teleport cache issue
2015-09-23 18:30 <AliciaRaven> i remember it looked multicolored yes, but only with one viewer im not sure which
2015-09-23 18:30 <nebadon> Singularity and Replex do it
2015-09-23 18:30 <nebadon> the concrete i used on Universal Campus does it
2015-09-23 18:30 <H-H-H> 
ACTION uses a replex clone

2015-09-23 18:31 <nebadon> if i HG from one grid to another that has it on both grids
2015-09-23 18:31 <nebadon> mesh does same thing
2015-09-23 18:31 <nebadon> it corrupts on HG teleport if both regions have the same content
2015-09-23 18:31 <nebadon> you get a million yellow triangles
2015-09-23 18:31 <nebadon> even if its not the same problem with mesh they both occur doing the same exact thing
2015-09-23 18:31 <nebadon> hypergrid teleport
2015-09-23 18:32 <H-H-H> i do swap viewers a lt between singu/replex and firestorm
2015-09-23 18:32 <nebadon> swapping viewers wont matter
2015-09-23 18:32 <H-H-H> phew clearing caches seems to have solved it :) ty
2015-09-23 18:33 <osmantis> Bug #7727:04 Improper rezzing of items in hollowed out sliced prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7727 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-23 18:34 <nebadon> no problem H-H-H it happens to me all the time
2015-09-23 18:34 <Plugh> Ken_S: I haven't tested mouselook. I don't often use that mode.
2015-09-23 18:34 <nebadon> Universal Campus
2015-09-23 18:34 <nebadon> i actually had the same texture at Wright Plaza
2015-09-23 18:34 <nebadon> and I got so sick of the rainbow at Wright Plaza i made a new texture
2015-09-23 18:34 <nebadon> and its never happened again
2015-09-23 18:35 <nebadon> for me its especially bad
2015-09-23 18:35 <nebadon> because almost all of my content lives on every grid
2015-09-23 18:35 <nebadon> so matter where I travel i find something I made
2015-09-23 18:35 <nebadon> so=no
2015-09-23 18:36 <H-H-H>  i have some of your awesome stuff on my local lan grid :)
2015-09-23 18:55 <H-H-H> hey nebadon random question but i dont supose you have or know where i could find either a mesh or sculpty ladybird model?
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2015-09-23 20:05 <Ubit> ( let me know if terrain looks funny now ;) )
2015-09-23 20:17 <osmantis> Bug #7727:04 Improper rezzing of items in hollowed out sliced prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7727 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-23 20:25 <Ubit> oops
2015-09-23 20:55 <Plugh> jakdaniels: Shouldn't the module remove the handler for OnPrimsLoaded in RemoveRegion()?
2015-09-23 20:58 <jakdaniels> probably Plugh yes. I think I added that handler recently while experimenting and almost certainly forgot about removing it.
2015-09-23 20:58 <Plugh> ok
2015-09-23 20:58 <Plugh> jakdaniels: I don't know why but I've got two regions where the module doesn't seem to be loading.
2015-09-23 20:59 <Plugh> No messages in the OpenSim.log file and it isn't mentioned on "show modules" command.
2015-09-23 21:03 <jakdaniels> not even a No region section [...] found in configuration message?
2015-09-23 21:04 <Plugh> Not even that.
2015-09-23 21:04 <Plugh> Very puzzling. I've got it running in two other regions.
2015-09-23 21:04 <jakdaniels> are they all the same build and platform?
2015-09-23 21:06 <Plugh> 2 mostly empty regions in a grid are working: one var, one regular. The third is populated and I can't see signs of it working there. The other is my standalone on my home machine. All are running 0.8.0PF
2015-09-23 21:07 <Plugh> For my standalone I do see it read the ini file for the module.
2015-09-23 21:08 <jakdaniels> sounds like the module not loading maybe due to the dll extension point being changed in 0.8.1 or did you change that back for 0.8.0PF?
2015-09-23 21:08 <Plugh> It reports the other modules as "Trying plugin" and/or "Plugin Loaded" but not Birds.
2015-09-23 21:08 <Plugh> I changed the two assembly statements to the two lines used in 080PF
2015-09-23 21:08 <Plugh> 2 regions running 080PF in a grid are working. The third region running 080PF in the same grid isn't working.
2015-09-23 21:09 <Plugh> Let me try a fresh build of my SA.
2015-09-23 21:09 <jakdaniels> try deleting the addin-db folder?
2015-09-23 21:12 <Plugh> ok, just done that. Restarting.
2015-09-23 21:13 <Plugh> nope. It reads the ini, it loads other modules, just not the Birds one.
2015-09-23 21:13 <jakdaniels> can you see the dll in bin/ ?
2015-09-23 21:13 <Plugh> I'll try it in my 081 SA
2015-09-23 21:13 <Plugh> yup. I copied it from the build directory to where I run it.
2015-09-23 21:33 <Plugh> jakdaniels: it loads in my 081PF SA. I don't know why it isn't loading any more in 080PF. I'll have to see what changes were required to ossearch and osprofile for 081 besides the assembly statements.
2015-09-23 21:39 <Plugh> nope. It won't load the module in an SA.
2015-09-23 21:39 <Plugh> for 080PF
2015-09-23 21:50 <Plugh> Think I may have found the problem.
2015-09-23 21:52 <Plugh> ok, got it.
2015-09-23 21:52 <Plugh> time to go make dinner. bbl.
2015-09-23 21:52 <Melanie_T> tell us what it was first
2015-09-23 21:54 <Plugh> I had a C&P error in the assembly dependency line
2015-09-23 21:54 <Plugh> I also noticed the Extensions line doesn't have the Id= field in 080PF.
2015-09-23 22:36 <Plugh> I've shown the flock of birds to a couple of people. Its amazing how happy someone can be when they see some birds flying around a sim. :)
2015-09-23 22:36 <Plugh> bbl. Dinner should be ready by now.
2015-09-24 05:48 <Ubit> oops
2015-09-24 12:14 <McCready> Hi guys, i don't know if anyone else asked about this but i tried many grid versions from 7.6 to 8.1.1 and i get the same issue on all of them: If i have 2 neighbour sims and i try to tp from one to another i have no problems, BUT if an avatar from one of the neighbour sims tps another avi that is actually in one of the neighbours, the tp end up failing in timeout. Any idea what could 
2015-09-24 12:14 <McCready> cause that?
2015-09-24 12:35 <mheilman> McCready it sounds like a network visibility problem to me.  You can see their regions publicly, but they cannot see yours.  You would still see yours because you can see them privately.
2015-09-24 12:37 <McCready> the thing is, i'm trying on a new grid, only 2 neighbour sims installed, loggin in with 2 viewers and 2 different users. As soon as i login the 1st teleport works good, from then i cannot accept any tp request anymore to neighbour sims
2015-09-24 12:37 <McCready> any suggestion or trick to check if server has that network visibility problem? :|
2015-09-24 12:38 <mheilman> The logs for one.  See if there are messages in the source regio about being unable to reach the new region.  Also check the destination region to see if it is even aware you were trying to teleport to it.
2015-09-24 12:58 <McCready> 08:57:40 - [HG LURE MODULE]: pending lure d2175afb-1aff-4d29-8e10-e022f35dd37c not found
2015-09-24 12:58 <McCready> this is what i get from the destination sim, even accepting teleport nothing happens
2015-09-24 12:58 <McCready> (first one still went good)
2015-09-24 13:13 <mheilman> I'm sorry, I have never worked with HG.  My grid is isolated.  The receiving region is being notified, but I couldn't tell you if that is coming from your grid frontend, their grid frontend, or is an inter-region communication.
2015-09-24 13:15 <mheilman> I'm assuming your teleports that are working are on the same LAN as your regions. Is that correct?
2015-09-24 13:17 <McCready> everything works good, i have 2 servers and also tpping between regions from server1 to a region of server2 works good
2015-09-24 13:17 <McCready> even neighbour teleport work good aswell
2015-09-24 13:17 <McCready> only issue is accepting the teleport request from an avi ina  neighbour sim, but if u decline it, and tp there manually everything works good
2015-09-24 13:22 <McCready> it's just really stressing since if u forget about that or a new member comes and is not aware fot hat, accepting the tp request fro a neighbour sim places u in a limbo teleport and often u end up logginoff
2015-09-24 13:29 <mheilman> if you can teleport out of your regions into theirs, it means their regions are configured correctly and are visible.  If you cannot teleport back in, it means that your regions are not configured correctly and/or are not visible
2015-09-24 13:29 <mheilman> visible publicly on the internet
2015-09-24 13:29 <mheilman> this could be a bad IP in your configs, or a firewall in the way
2015-09-24 13:30 <mheilman> which is why I asked if you were testing externally, or on the same LAN as your regions
2015-09-24 13:35 <McCready> oh sorry didn't get it, i'm talking about 2 regions on my private server, so same ip but diff port (9000 and 9001)
2015-09-24 13:56 <AliciaRaven> McCready, you are talking about lure teleports, do normal teleports fail also?
2015-09-24 13:56 <McCready> no, everything else works jsut fine
2015-09-24 13:57 <AliciaRaven> if standard teleports work ok then its not a network issue, i dont use lure but i seem to remember it not working when i tried it, i cant be sure but there may be a bug there
2015-09-24 13:58 <McCready> the only issue i have with teleports it's just that one, i first thought it could be a version bug but i hardly beleive it would be there still on 8.1.1 so i think it has to be something in my config idk
2015-09-24 13:58 <McCready> the really weird thing is if an avatar sends a tp request from a region not attached to the one u are int hat moment it works fine aswell
2015-09-24 13:59 <McCready> if i login and get the tp request it works too, but then from the 2nd one on it keeps failing, it's jsut a neighbour problem and idk how to fix that xD
2015-09-24 14:23 <smxy> I don't recall lure TPs working for me, either.
2015-09-24 15:09 <Plugh> hm... I have an OAR file that was created for/from a set of mega regions. Is there anything I need to do to make it loadable in an equivalent sized var?
2015-09-24 15:12 <Ubit> no ideia :)
2015-09-24 15:12 <Ubit> err we dont have large regions wind and cloud?
2015-09-24 15:13 <Ubit> sending seems old standard size code
2015-09-24 15:13 <Ubit> errr and do viewers have? lol
2015-09-24 15:33 <jakdaniels> Plugh: you need an oar from each of the regions that makes up the mega in order to get the terrain. The objects will all be in the right positions in the SW region's oar. Load oar allows terrain merge and offset
2015-09-24 15:34 <Plugh> jak, ok. I think I'm just missing terrain. The objects seem to be i place.
2015-09-24 15:34 <jakdaniels> merge the terrain from the other oars using an offset iirc
2015-09-24 15:35 <Plugh> I only have the one oar file.
2015-09-24 15:39 <Ubit> guess we need a tool to do the spliting
2015-09-24 15:40 <Ubit> or a direct convertion..
2015-09-24 15:40 <Ubit> hmm guess split is safer
2015-09-24 15:40 <jakdaniels> you need to save an oar from each 256x256m region in the mega to get the terrain. 
2015-09-24 15:41 <Ubit> yeap but for that u need to run a mega
2015-09-24 15:41 <Ubit> if we remove megas .. oops
2015-09-24 15:42 <Ubit> so we do need a tool to work directly on the oar
2015-09-24 15:42 <Ubit> well i only looked to that code  to compare merge issues..
2015-09-24 15:45 <jakdaniels> iirc oars support storing multiple regions, but I've never tried to see if a mega export contains 'sub oars' for the other regions or even if its possible to import it into a var. I only ever did it the way I suggested above.
2015-09-24 15:45 <nebadon> really you do not need an oar from each region
2015-09-24 15:45 <nebadon> that is kind of the hard way with large megas
2015-09-24 15:46 <nebadon> you can oar just SW region only and then use terrain save-tile load-tile
2015-09-24 15:46 <nebadon> either way will work though
2015-09-24 15:46 <jakdaniels> yes... that too :)
2015-09-24 15:46 <nebadon> oars is just a bit more work
2015-09-24 15:47 <jakdaniels> what about parcel data though?
2015-09-24 15:52 <Ubit> ohh we don't have vertical wind ?
2015-09-24 15:53 <Ubit> btw why i never see clouds now ?
2015-09-24 15:56 <Plugh> yea, the objects have landed in the right place from what I can tell. Just the terrain is missing. Only the terrain from the sw corner (?) was saved. 
2015-09-24 15:57 <Plugh> Its good enough for now as I'm interested in the objects and scripts and not the land.
2015-09-24 16:01 <IgorVorotiloff> There is a terrain restriction when we change from mega-region to var-region; it's about the set of 4 terrain textures. Mega-region has a set for each region while var-region has only a set for the whole !
2015-09-24 16:16 <nebadon> Ubit you mean particle clouds?
2015-09-24 16:16 <nebadon> didnt those go away with windlight?
2015-09-24 16:17 <nebadon> maybe a debug option to turn them back on though
2015-09-24 16:17 <nebadon> like animated trees
2015-09-24 16:17 <Ubit> possible
2015-09-24 16:18 <Ubit> well both wind and cloud arent done for large regions
2015-09-24 16:18 <Ubit> need to check viewers
2015-09-24 16:18 <nebadon> i cant even remember last time i saw particle clouds
2015-09-24 16:18 <nebadon> very long time ago
2015-09-24 16:18 <Ubit> yeap dont remember either
2015-09-24 16:18 <Ubit> but wind is more usefull
2015-09-24 16:19 <nebadon> yea
2015-09-24 16:19 <Ubit> ppl like sailing and vars are good for it
2015-09-24 16:19 <nebadon> wind should work in vars
2015-09-24 16:19 <nebadon> i think
2015-09-24 16:19 <Ubit> ( sure some use special scripts 
2015-09-24 16:19 <nebadon> my turbine script seemed to work
2015-09-24 16:19 <nebadon> it changes lltargetomega speed according to wind velocity
2015-09-24 16:20 <nebadon> i have wind chimes too 
2015-09-24 16:24 <Ubit> nahh  16x16 values only
2015-09-24 16:24 <Ubit> well my work a at lower res
2015-09-24 16:24 <Ubit> i need to check viewer side
2015-09-24 16:24 <Ubit> ok
2015-09-24 16:28 <Ubit> i really should not use a 2km region all the time lol
2015-09-24 16:33 <Ubit> ..If a cloud moves out of region then it's location is sent to neighbor region
2015-09-24 16:33 <Ubit> outch
2015-09-24 16:33 <Ubit> ( found cloud code before wind :) )
2015-09-24 16:35 <Ubit> seems viwer clouds are 256m only yeack..
2015-09-24 16:38 <Ubit> hmm mb they can drift around..
2015-09-24 16:42 <Ubit> well seems same for wind... grrr
2015-09-24 16:43 <Ubit> hmm nopes
2015-09-24 16:44 <Ubit> has var code in it
2015-09-24 16:44 <Ubit> just the wind points resolution is lower.. still 16x16 for entire region
2015-09-24 16:45 <Ubit> guess its ok
2015-09-24 16:48 <Ubit> F32 region_width_meters = gAgent.getRegion()->getWidth();
2015-09-24 16:48 <Ubit> we will never get non square regions :)
2015-09-24 17:11 <Ubit> bahh constant wind on lthe last 128m corner grrr
2015-09-24 17:12 <Ubit> ( 16m on a normal region)
2015-09-24 17:14 <Ubit> actualy  last 128m stripes on x and z
2015-09-24 17:20 <Ubit> ( i mean constant spacilally  not in time..  )
2015-09-24 17:27 <lkalif> region or "legacy" clouds have been deprerciated years ago
2015-09-24 17:28 <lkalif> and the viewers support wind in the same patches as terrain
2015-09-24 17:28 <lkalif> 16x16m
2015-09-24 17:28 <Ubit> ohh that explains why i don't see them
2015-09-24 17:28 <lkalif> i don't know what "last 256m" are you talking about
2015-09-24 17:28 <Ubit> err is a patch per region ( per X other per Y)
2015-09-24 17:29 <Ubit> ie a region has 16x16 wind points
2015-09-24 17:29 <lkalif> the viewer only supports squre regions
2015-09-24 17:29 <Ubit> yeap
2015-09-24 17:30 <Ubit> the last meters is viewers math
2015-09-24 17:30 <Ubit> point 15 on X  is not at edge
2015-09-24 17:31 <Ubit> but 16m before edge
2015-09-24 17:31 <Ubit> the edge should be the 0 of the other region
2015-09-24 17:32 <Ubit> but not even that..
2015-09-24 17:32 <Ubit> so  on that last 16 viewer doesnt interpolate by distance...
2015-09-24 17:32 <lkalif> but wind is not really that important for the viewer
2015-09-24 17:33 <lkalif> it's only used for flex prims and particles
2015-09-24 17:33 <lkalif> the rest is server side
2015-09-24 17:33 <Ubit> 16m on a normal region..  128m on a 2km  etc
2015-09-24 17:34 <Ubit> since they ignore the other sims,   they should put index 15 on edge...
2015-09-24 17:34 <lkalif> as I said, the wind is not that important in the viewer
2015-09-24 17:34 <Ubit> but they put index 16 ( non existent )
2015-09-24 17:34 <Ubit> see ?
2015-09-24 17:36 <Ubit> ( one should say its the typical problem of counting 0 :) )
2015-09-24 17:36 <Ubit>  err could not should
2015-09-24 17:44 <Ubit> #if ENABLE_CLASSIC_CLOUDS
2015-09-24 17:44 <Ubit> code there as a compile option
2015-09-24 17:59 <lkalif> nobody uses it since windlight
2015-09-24 18:00 <LiruCookies> They were kinda nice, though, but now that no one really supports them, meh.
2015-09-24 18:00 <Ubit> think we still do
2015-09-24 18:01 <LiruCookies> In addition to windlight, that is.
2015-09-24 18:01 <Ubit> if u enable the module
2015-09-24 18:01 <LiruCookies> Doesn't mean it's even working in most viewers.
2015-09-24 18:01 <Ubit> but i not i the mood to compile a viewer to check :)
2015-09-24 18:01 <Ubit> btw seen that about wind ?
2015-09-24 18:02 <LiruCookies> You could just I dunno, install a viewer, instead of compiling one? Maybe? Maybe that'd be an even better way to see what's actually supported by viewers out there?
2015-09-24 18:03 <LiruCookies> Nah, no way.. forget I mentioned it.
2015-09-24 18:03 <Ubit> well i seen that if on that old singu code... didn't check on recent
2015-09-24 18:03 <Ubit> #if
2015-09-24 18:13 <Ubit> uff still avoiding replacing that by a proper fast DCT
2015-09-24 18:20 <Ubit> ohh i did one once in mmx
2015-09-24 18:21 <Ubit> hm not very usefull now, if i could find it :)
2015-09-24 18:29 <Plugh> hm... this doesn't look good. I updated my avnmerge based SA to latest code and tried to load an oar and I got red text.
2015-09-24 18:37 <Plugh> oh, I know what the problem is. I'm loading an oar for a mega in to a normal region.
2015-09-24 18:38 <Plugh> It should handle it more gracefully than an exception.
2015-09-24 18:55 <Ubit> how could ppl guess u whould do such a thing? :)
2015-09-24 18:57 <Ubit> ur testing with ubode or bullet ?
2015-09-24 19:01 <smxy> Ubit: You should assume users will do anything. When I was a softwarer tester, anytime I saw documentation that said something like "Enter a value between 1 and 10.", the first thing I'd do is enter 15 or a "B" or a special character. The code didn't have to like or accept it, but it had to handle it gracefully, with an appropriate error message and no abort. Developer's hated me. :)
2015-09-24 19:02 <Ubit> Segmentation Fault is a nice warning message.. :p
2015-09-24 19:03 <smxy> Not acceptable. :)
2015-09-24 19:03 <Ubit> when u use a hammer you are carefull about yr fingers right? 
2015-09-24 19:03 <Ubit> well  u try at least :)
2015-09-24 19:04 <Seth> I think handling unexpected, out of bounds input gracefully is a requirement of reliable coding.  It is up to the programmer to do this, not the compiler or run-time.
2015-09-24 19:04 <smxy> People make mistakes. Software should deal with it gracefully. ;)
2015-09-24 19:44 <Plugh> smxy: A friend of mine asked me to test some software. It was an entry form for data to be stored in a database. The first field was for your age. I think the first thing I did was put in a negative number. You could probably guess what happened next. The program crashed. :)
2015-09-24 19:50 <Ubit> grrrr
2015-09-24 21:00 <Plugh> The avination merge branch seems to start up faster when it comes to loading scripts.
2015-09-24 21:00 <Plugh> oh, It hasn't loaded them yet. :P
2015-09-24 21:02 <Plugh> I can't wait for it to finish chugging through initial compile of 543 scripts. I'm going to go for a walk before dinner. bbl.
2015-09-24 22:07 <Ubit> lol
2015-09-25 04:40 <Plugh> wow. I just crashed my standalone version of the avination merge branch. I wonder if I can do that again
2015-09-25 04:42 <nebadon> what were you doing at the time?
2015-09-25 04:44 <Ubit> what u mean crashed ? 
2015-09-25 04:46 <Ubit> any thing on log ?
2015-09-25 04:57 <Plugh> No, and I just lost the messages from the code/mono. I thought it would have been in the log but it wasn't. It was a rather hard crash.
2015-09-25 04:58 <Plugh> The region had been running for quite a few hours then I went to log in to the region to test something I had in there and it crashed during login.
2015-09-25 04:59 <Plugh> If it happens again I'll be sure to capture the messages off the screen in addition to saving the log file.
2015-09-25 04:59 <Ubit> how many prims?
2015-09-25 04:59 <Plugh> 16,188
2015-09-25 05:00 <Ubit> and size?
2015-09-25 05:00 <Plugh> I loaded the plane_mega_region.oar file.
2015-09-25 05:00 <Plugh> 5x5 var
2015-09-25 05:00 <Ubit> ok
2015-09-25 05:00 <Ubit> err phsyics?
2015-09-25 05:00 <Plugh> BulletSim
2015-09-25 05:00 <Ubit> Ahh of course
2015-09-25 05:00 <Ubit> (hihihi ) kidding
2015-09-25 05:01 <Plugh> hm... I should switch to ODE and see if the train scripts work with it.
2015-09-25 05:01 <Plugh> :)
2015-09-25 05:01 <Ubit> u mean ubode ?
2015-09-25 05:01 <Plugh> FYI, the OAR file was downloaded from http://www.nsl.tuis.ac.jp/DownLoad/SoftWare/OpenSim/plane_mega_region.oar
2015-09-25 05:02 <Ubit> xii this viewers are so bad now
2015-09-25 05:02 <Plugh> um... yea, right that, since you made me remember that ODE wasn't working in vars.
2015-09-25 05:02 <Ubit> it should work..  both avn and master
2015-09-25 05:02 <Ubit> ( old ode )
2015-09-25 05:02 <Plugh> ubode?
2015-09-25 05:02 <Ubit> both
2015-09-25 05:03 <Plugh> ok. What's the difference between ODE and ubode?
2015-09-25 05:03 <Ubit> a few little details :p
2015-09-25 05:04 <Ubit> xii viewers are so worse now
2015-09-25 05:04 <Ubit> looking to a thing i built ages ago in sl and imported also long ago
2015-09-25 05:04 <Ubit> was ok, now all textures overlap etc
2015-09-25 05:05 <Plugh> It takes a while to start 543 scripts :P
2015-09-25 05:06 <Ubit> well ubOde is has several diferences 
2015-09-25 05:06 <Plugh> I had the region set to recompile scripts on start up but with this many, I turned that off.
2015-09-25 05:07 <Ubit> well that should be identical to master
2015-09-25 05:07 <Plugh> hm... I wonder why it repeated the "[AgentPrefs] UpdateAgentPrefs for <uuid>" message. It said it twice in a row.
2015-09-25 05:08 <Ubit> it does suport vehicle things..  hmm except mouse look driving.. never bother doing it
2015-09-25 05:08 <Ubit> doesnt use taints..
2015-09-25 05:09 <Plugh> bah. Still can't get the train to move. I'll have to go through the scripts and figure out how they work.
2015-09-25 05:09 <Ubit> well  in comun has name ans code structure
2015-09-25 05:09 <Plugh> There was a video where I got the scripts that showed the trains running.
2015-09-25 05:09 <Ubit> on bullet ?
2015-09-25 05:09 <Plugh> Doubt it. The oar is a bit old so was probably ODE.
2015-09-25 05:09 <Ubit> well guess they aren't physical
2015-09-25 05:10 <Ubit> ahh i added a thing last night untested
2015-09-25 05:10 <Ubit> well i added terrain change today also untested :)
2015-09-25 05:10 <Ubit> u can check it on bullet also
2015-09-25 05:11 <Ubit> try to rez things inside the hole of a large sphere or similar
2015-09-25 05:11 <Plugh> Loaded the oar and tried it with BS, then ubODE.
2015-09-25 05:11 <Ubit> issue on mantis 7722 or something..
2015-09-25 05:12 <Plugh> ah. Just turned on save_crashes
2015-09-25 05:12 <Ubit> btw help should look a bit more like master
2015-09-25 05:13 <Ubit> i did prefer the old one but well its 2 large now
2015-09-25 05:13 <Plugh> woah. Tried to use straight ODE physics and this thing start spewing red text on startup.
2015-09-25 05:13 <Ubit> ode uses normal mesher
2015-09-25 05:13 <Plugh> Maybe tomorrow. I'm about done for the day.
2015-09-25 05:13 <Plugh> yup. changed that.
2015-09-25 05:13 <Ubit> ubOde needs the ubOde
2015-09-25 05:14 <Ubit> old ode same as bullet
2015-09-25 05:14 <Plugh> I'm getting lots of -> 01:12:41 - [SCENE]: caught exception meshing object d1469d86-8c4f-4cbc-977e-baa7b35ab756. Object set to phantom. e=System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
2015-09-25 05:14 <Plugh>   at OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.SceneObjectPart.AddToPhysics (Boolean isPhysical, Boolean isPhantom, Boolean building, Boolean applyDynamics) [0x00061] in /home/kcozens/Projects/OpenSimulator/opensim-avnmerge/OpenSim/Region/Framework/Scenes/SceneObjectPart.cs:4851 
2015-09-25 05:14 <Ubit> ok fix the mesher :p
2015-09-25 05:15 <Ubit> odd no physics error
2015-09-25 05:15 <Plugh> I did. I'm using the default Meshmerizer
2015-09-25 05:15 <Ubit> odd
2015-09-25 05:16 <Plugh> oh, pooh. I can't say physics=ODE   :P
2015-09-25 05:16 <Ubit> changing physics on the fly ? lol
2015-09-25 05:16 <Plugh> no, in the ini
2015-09-25 05:17 <Ubit> its OpenDynamicsblablabla
2015-09-25 05:17 <Plugh> You got me thinking it was just ODE physics as you had ubODE.
2015-09-25 05:17 <Plugh> yea I noticed that.
2015-09-25 05:17 <Plugh> ok, looks better now.
2015-09-25 05:17 <Ubit> yeap but im 2 lasy to type :)
2015-09-25 05:17 <Plugh> now to wait for it to start 543 scripts again.
2015-09-25 05:17 <Ubit> it doesnt store the dlls?
2015-09-25 05:18 <Plugh> No idea what its doing. It still takes a while to start them all.
2015-09-25 05:18 <Plugh> Not quite as long as when I had it set to recompile scripts on startup.
2015-09-25 05:18 <Plugh> ok, done.
2015-09-25 05:19 <Ubit> check far borders..
2015-09-25 05:19 <Plugh> nope. The train scripts don't work with any of the three physics engines.
2015-09-25 05:20 <Ubit> possible they don't even use physics :)
2015-09-25 05:20 <Plugh> It was worth a shot. I haven't dug in to the scripts to see how they work.
2015-09-25 05:20 <Plugh> It just gives me "Rail Lost" soon after it tries to start the trains.
2015-09-25 05:21 <Ubit> no idea only looking to src
2015-09-25 05:21 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-09-25 05:22 <Ubit> sounds like it scans around for the rails..
2015-09-25 05:22 <Plugh> I've saved all the scripts and have them in my inventory in a grid where I also tried to use them. I'll look at them tomorrow, or some time later.
2015-09-25 05:22 <Plugh> possibly.
2015-09-25 05:22 <Plugh> There are red cubes named beacon at points in between the tracks.
2015-09-25 05:22 <Ubit> can a lot of things
2015-09-25 05:22 <Plugh> yea. Too late to worry about it any more tonight.
2015-09-25 05:23 <Ubit> hmm  no ideia what odd terrain ppl will have with my last commit :)
2015-09-25 05:23 <Ubit> mine looks ok
2015-09-25 05:24 <Ubit> bahh only around 6x saving in compression time
2015-09-25 05:24 <Plugh> only? Still sounds good.
2015-09-25 05:26 <Ubit> still a issue  when ppl starts calling everyone for a party
2015-09-25 05:26 <Ubit> and ppl starts arrinving...
2015-09-25 05:26 <Ubit> i guess..
2015-09-25 05:27 <Ubit> part could be cached..
2015-09-25 05:27 <Ubit> but messy.. special with terrain as is
2015-09-25 05:29 <Plugh> Time to call it a night.
2015-09-25 15:46 <Wanderer_42> Hi. Is it possible, with special permissions (no RLV), to force another avatar, who is sitting per Ground-Sit (NOT sitting on a prim) to stand up? 
2015-09-25 15:46 <Wanderer_42> Just technical interest
2015-09-25 15:52 <Plugh> Wanderer_42: llUnsit()
2015-09-25 15:52 <Plugh> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlUnSit
2015-09-25 15:53 <Plugh> oh, ground sit. 
2015-09-25 15:53 <Wanderer_42> No. I mean a sort of "griefer"-attack
2015-09-25 15:53 <Plugh> Good question
2015-09-25 15:54 <Wanderer_42> Something happened to me in SL last days
2015-09-25 15:54 <Wanderer_42> But I am not sure, whether this was simp,y a server-hickup
2015-09-25 16:01 <Plugh> What happened?
2015-09-25 16:01 <Plugh> server hiccup in SL? never. ;)
2015-09-25 16:03 <Wanderer_42> lol.  Someone (Sort of region-security) came. Said nothings. But suddenly my avatar stood up. I sat again. Some seconds later my Avatar stood up again. After this all was normal. My avatardidnt stood up again by "itself".
2015-09-25 16:05 <Plugh> Does sound a bit odd.
2015-09-25 16:07 <Wanderer_42> Yes. This is the reason, why I didnt asked that person, whether he/she is a bit bored and want to test something
2015-09-25 16:28 <nebadon> Wander_42 LL has the ability to move everyone from one simulator to another
2015-09-25 16:28 <nebadon> if a region starts to degrade or needs restarting
2015-09-25 16:28 <nebadon> its possible if you stood this might be a reason why
2015-09-25 16:29 <nebadon> it should be seamless but who knows
2015-09-25 16:29 <nebadon> LL has a lot greater ability to refresh simulators than we do
2015-09-25 16:29 <Wanderer_42> But there is not a sort of "click a button to let an certain avatar stood up" ?
2015-09-25 16:30 <nebadon> not really but someone could unlink something you are sitting on
2015-09-25 16:30 <nebadon> that would likely force you to stand
2015-09-25 16:30 <Ubit> mb ll freeze is now a sit also?
2015-09-25 16:31 <nebadon> also not sure about SL
2015-09-25 16:31 <nebadon> but I know in opensim if you eject someone from a region when they are sitting
2015-09-25 16:31 <nebadon> wierd things happen
2015-09-25 16:31 <nebadon> the avatar will stand and move 
2015-09-25 16:32 <nebadon> and get stuck usually
2015-09-25 16:32 <Wanderer_42> I sat on the terrain. My environmet was a transparent prim to realize a tree-shadow. But i sat where the prim was transparent and so my right-click caused the ground-sit
2015-09-25 16:32 <Ubit> guess a missed sp.Standup()
2015-09-25 16:32 <Wanderer_42> I didnt sat on the prim
2015-09-25 16:32 <nebadon> used to do that anyway
2015-09-25 16:32 <nebadon> not sure about anymore
2015-09-25 16:33 <nebadon> my guess though is network glitch
2015-09-25 16:33 <nebadon> packets got misinterpreted or something
2015-09-25 16:33 <nebadon> the viewer doesnt handle traffic disruptions to well either
2015-09-25 16:33 <vegaslon> in opensim you can also fake out the grid to think you are not online anymore and so if they try to send your home or eject you nothing will happen beside unsit you
2015-09-25 16:33 <Ubit> well needs checking one of this days
2015-09-25 16:33 <nebadon> yea
2015-09-25 16:34 <nebadon> i doubt what you experienced was malicious
2015-09-25 16:34 <Wanderer_42> yes, think so, too
2015-09-25 16:34 <Wanderer_42> But wasnt 100% sure
2015-09-25 16:35 <Ubit> yeackkk  for (int y = startY; y < startX +    really doesnt work lol
2015-09-25 16:36 <Ubit> ( thats on my local copy ..)
2015-09-25 16:38 <Ubit> Plugh any more crashs with avnmerge ?
2015-09-25 16:41 <nebadon> none here Ubit, my testing time has been limited though
2015-09-25 16:41 <nebadon> im trapped in Blender Prison!
2015-09-25 16:41 <nebadon> lol
2015-09-25 16:42 <Ubit> :)
2015-09-25 16:43 <Ubit> i still dont like the damm encoder.. but well..
2015-09-25 16:44 <vegaslon> if you sit on a prim in avnmerge, move the prim over a border, if you unsit you are stuck off in space until you delete the prim was sitting on
2015-09-25 16:44 <Ubit> oh ?
2015-09-25 16:45 <Ubit> with the relation with the prim after unsit? odd
2015-09-25 16:46 <Ubit> hmm didn't repo
2015-09-25 16:47 <vegaslon> any special setting need vs normal opensim?
2015-09-25 16:47 <Ubit> nopes
2015-09-25 16:47 <Ubit> hmm
2015-09-25 16:47 <Ubit> i placed a child prim outside border, unsit and was placed inside region
2015-09-25 16:48 <nebadon> you know what would be awesome
2015-09-25 16:48 <Ubit> ohh i can sit on the prim outside border
2015-09-25 16:48 <nebadon> if we could unlink linsets over boarders
2015-09-25 16:48 <vegaslon> this is between two regions next to one another
2015-09-25 16:48 <nebadon> cant tell you how many times ive really screwed something up beyond repair by doing that
2015-09-25 16:48 <Ubit> so its a crossing ?
2015-09-25 16:49 <vegaslon> ya
2015-09-25 16:49 <Ubit> hmm dont have a setup to test that
2015-09-25 16:49 <Ubit> bt it was the root prim or a child ?
2015-09-25 16:49 <vegaslon> root prim
2015-09-25 16:49 <Ubit> ohh that was working fine
2015-09-25 16:50 <Ubit> hmm possible a side efect of the UUID list of sittied avas
2015-09-25 16:51 <Ubit> .. removal of ..
2015-09-25 16:52 <vegaslon> these are also two var regions
2015-09-25 16:53 <Ubit> the prim was selected during crossing and unsit ?
2015-09-25 16:53 <vegaslon> ya
2015-09-25 16:53 <Ubit> hmmm
2015-09-25 16:53 <vegaslon> but also happens with vehicles
2015-09-25 16:54 <Ubit> those i tested and where ok... so the removal of the list did add issues  damm
2015-09-25 16:55 <vegaslon> just threw a physical prim over the region crossing, went over the edge for a bit and then suddenly shot backwards  increasting its speed as it went tell hit the first regions border on the other side
2015-09-25 16:56 <Ubit> what physics engine ?
2015-09-25 16:56 <vegaslon> ubode right now
2015-09-25 16:57 <Ubit> grrr that was working fine..  sniff sniff
2015-09-25 16:57 <Ubit> what grid ?
2015-09-25 16:57 <vegaslon> stand alone
2015-09-25 16:57 <Ubit> 2 standalones ?
2015-09-25 16:58 <vegaslon> 1 standalone with 4 var regions next to one another
2015-09-25 16:58 <Ubit> ohhh ok i never tested that
2015-09-25 16:59 <Ubit> yeap never tested that cenario
2015-09-25 16:59 <Ubit> not even sure it can work
2015-09-25 17:00 <vegaslon> same thing happens with 4 regions on same instance on osgrid
2015-09-25 17:00 <Ubit> hmmm it may work
2015-09-25 17:00 <Ubit> guess something missing on the scenes finding
2015-09-25 17:01 <Ubit> on the local search for region
2015-09-25 17:02 <vegaslon> flying and walking crossing work fine though
2015-09-25 17:02 <Ubit> ok
2015-09-25 17:03 <Ubit> large regions finding isnt  that good on master, and still not fully done on merge
2015-09-25 17:04 <Ubit> the code is from today ?
2015-09-25 17:04 <vegaslon> ya
2015-09-25 17:04 <Ubit> seen the butterflies on terrain ?
2015-09-25 17:05 <Ubit> or its flat terrain ?
2015-09-25 17:06 <vegaslon> flat terrain
2015-09-25 17:06 <Ubit> ok no butterflies then
2015-09-25 17:07 <Ubit> ( u really aren't suposed to see anything..  terrain should be as before.. )
2015-09-25 17:09 <Plugh> Ubit: I haven't crashed it again today but I haven't tried it again. I'm working on something else.
2015-09-25 17:09 <Ubit> ( butterflies on this context are just a name  given  to  a little data math in fft algorithms )
2015-09-25 17:12 <vegaslon> shrunk the regions down to 256 same behavior
2015-09-25 17:13 <Ubit> so old issue on crossing prims in regions on same instance
2015-09-25 17:13 <vegaslon> yep
2015-09-25 17:14 <Ubit> ( the avatar went crazy bc the prim actually didn't cross )
2015-09-25 17:14 <Ubit> hmm or something like that
2015-09-25 17:15 <Ubit> xii why several var region on same instance?
2015-09-25 17:15 <vegaslon> it allows clever use of water and terrain textures
2015-09-25 17:15 <Ubit> isolation of terrain store etc? 
2015-09-25 17:16 <Ubit> hmm ok
2015-09-25 17:17 <Plugh> I've forgotten how to run the regression tests
2015-09-25 17:17 <vegaslon> can only have 4 terrain textures at a time but the beauty of seperate regions is you can have diffrent tropic zones
2015-09-25 17:17 <Ubit> yeap
2015-09-25 17:18 <Ubit> thats something vars loose relative to megas
2015-09-25 17:19 <Plugh> ah, found the info in the wiki.
2015-09-25 17:20 <vegaslon> that and parallel loading
2015-09-25 17:20 <vegaslon> *terrain
2015-09-25 17:21 <Plugh> hm... avnmerge tossed out 1 non-fatal error running 'nant test'
2015-09-25 17:21 <Ubit> nant test ? whats that :p
2015-09-25 17:22 <Plugh> hehe
2015-09-25 17:22 <Ubit> ( i took out several tests that gotta in my way )
2015-09-25 17:22 <Ubit> throotles are ones i remember
2015-09-25 17:22 <Plugh> I'm about to add some tests related to reading config files to my local copy of OS that will generate errors until the code is fixed. 
2015-09-25 17:23 <Plugh> I'm trying to track down the source of an error reading config files.
2015-09-25 17:23 <Ubit> well i don't understand well those tests thing
2015-09-25 17:23 <Ubit> most pass  if the code just compiles
2015-09-25 17:24 <Plugh> I added a few tests once after I got help from justin to tell me where they were and how to run them.
2015-09-25 17:24 <Ubit> they could complience tests to a api
2015-09-25 17:24 <Ubit> but we keep changing the api :P
2015-09-25 17:24 <Plugh> Then the tests would have to keep changing.
2015-09-25 17:25 <Ubit> and so actually testing nothing lol
2015-09-25 17:25 <Ubit> bc if u make a mistake you do make the test follow you :)
2015-09-25 17:27 <Plugh> :)
2015-09-25 17:27 <Plugh> Write the test first?
2015-09-25 17:27 <Ubit> :)
2015-09-25 17:27 <vegaslon> lol that is what they say to do
2015-09-25 17:28 <Plugh> Code might still be wrong but it will eventually work as expected by the test. 
2015-09-25 17:28 <Ubit> well i only commented them..  to fix laterrrr laterrrrr
2015-09-25 17:28 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-09-25 17:29 <Ubit> hmm i also still have those llupd "debug" things commented out
2015-09-25 17:29 <Ubit> one i did remove completly
2015-09-25 17:29 <Plugh> bah. See... this is why you still need 'nant'. "xbuild test" fails. There may be a different way to invoke a particular target in xbuild.
2015-09-25 17:30 <Ubit> vegaslon  you have vs2010 ro run regions in debug ?
2015-09-25 17:30 <Ubit> or 2015 or 13(?)
2015-09-25 17:31 <Plugh> I'm going to work on a of 3D model so I can finish off the layout of a PCB I've been working on.
2015-09-25 17:31 <vegaslon> nope
2015-09-25 17:31 <Ubit> ok
2015-09-25 17:31 <Ubit> a pcb? nice
2015-09-25 17:31 <Ubit> i also have a few to do
2015-09-25 17:33 <Plugh> I'm on my 10th revision of it. 
2015-09-25 17:33 <Plugh> Two weeks ago I said I was happy about the changes I had completed on it. That was back on rev 4. 
2015-09-25 17:40 <Ubit> can u try this vegaslon ?
2015-09-25 17:40 <vegaslon> yep
2015-09-25 17:40 <Ubit> ok im going for a coffe break  brb
2015-09-25 17:50 <vegaslon> stops it dead in its tracks on the standalone
2015-09-25 17:54 <zadark-tap> vegasion... have you tried just sitting on a regular cube prim using the pie menu? (running avimerge on a standalone)
2015-09-25 17:55 <zadark-tap> Avi end up standing on the prim for me
2015-09-25 17:55 <vegaslon> yep was what started this, was a simple cube sat on tried to move accrossed the border
2015-09-25 17:56 <zadark-tap> I have to use ctl-alt-s to recover the avi
2015-09-25 17:56 <vegaslon> now can not even move it accrossed to the other region not sitting on it and not being physical
2015-09-25 17:56 <zadark-tap> no border crossing invilved here
2015-09-25 17:56 <zadark-tap> involved
2015-09-25 17:58 <vegaslon> sitting and standing on prim works fine for me
2015-09-25 17:58 <zadark-tap> ug, cannot think what is wrong here, what physics?
2015-09-25 17:58 <vegaslon> running ubode right now
2015-09-25 17:58 <zadark-tap> k, bullet here.. will swap and test
2015-09-25 18:04 <zadark-tap> does physics = OpenDynamicsEngine select ubode , or does one require to add a line to opensim.ini?
2015-09-25 18:05 <vegaslon> physics = ubODE is what I have
2015-09-25 18:05 <zadark-tap> ah.. ok
2015-09-25 18:09 <zadark-tap> Yes now works as expected, conclude though that prim sit when using bullet is borked
2015-09-25 18:13 <vegaslon> hmm yes apears that even rezzing a prim in bulletsim fails
2015-09-25 18:14 <vegaslon> rezzed it at 0,0,0 if try to rez on terrain
2015-09-25 18:15 <zadark-tap> Yes I have seen that. The prim I am using iwas created using an earlier avimerge.
2015-09-25 18:15 <vegaslon> works fine to rez on another prim
2015-09-25 18:17 <zadark-tap> I have used the shift key copy mechanism, but find when I restart the sim the original has gone
2015-09-25 18:22 <zadark-tap> Anyway some wierdness with bullet, good others have similar.. have to move to another channel now.. thanks
2015-09-25 19:01 <Ubit> zadark-tap there are 2 lines for ubOde
2015-09-25 19:01 <Ubit> on physics and on mesher
2015-09-25 19:01 <Ubit> you need select both ubOde things in both places
2015-09-25 19:02 <zadark-tap> Yes, I had reused an earlier opensim.ini, now updated to the current version.
2015-09-25 19:02 <Ubit> dont forget to use defaul Meshmerizer on all other physics engines..
2015-09-25 19:02 <zadark-tap> ok
2015-09-25 19:03 <Ubit> on day  it shoud be possible to merge ubodemesh and the normal one
2015-09-25 19:03 <Ubit> but not for now .. they are a lot diferent as is :)
2015-09-25 19:03 <zadark-tap> understood
2015-09-25 19:04 <Ubit> so i need to run 2 large regions in standalone on same instance... grr :)
2015-09-25 19:05 <Ubit> or ill never find the code paths by just reading :)
2015-09-25 19:07 <Ubit> hmm lets see with sqlite for a change
2015-09-25 19:07 <Ubit> yr using sqlite vegaslon ?
2015-09-25 19:10 <vegaslon> nope MySql
2015-09-25 19:11 <Ubit> well im going 3 sqlite now
2015-09-25 19:11 <vegaslon> was told sqlite was not supported
2015-09-25 19:12 <Ubit> i added some migration code for it.. just  untested
2015-09-25 19:12 <vegaslon> ok
2015-09-25 19:12 <vegaslon> also on your break setup two regions on osgrid for testing, did the same thing
2015-09-25 19:13 <Ubit> well it fired 2 regions
2015-09-25 19:13 <vegaslon> these regions are only 512s
2015-09-25 19:13 <Ubit> UbitTestOS                                    76db54da-eba9-400f-af93-a9dbe89ac2
2015-09-25 19:13 <Ubit> 46  8892,9990    512x512      DefaultRegion, FallbackRegion, RegionOnline, Defau
2015-09-25 19:13 <Ubit> ltHGRegion
2015-09-25 19:13 <Ubit> UbitTestOS2                                   78cf79c3-0915-4507-b2dd-9436513d0d
2015-09-25 19:13 <Ubit> ab  8890,9990    512x512      RegionOnline
2015-09-25 19:16 <Ubit> help
2015-09-25 19:16 <Ubit> errr wrong window :)
2015-09-25 19:16 <Saphira> *giggle*
2015-09-25 19:18 <Ubit> grrr i don't like this help
2015-09-25 19:19 <Saphira> I might have rushed to your help, but I think that's out of my league
2015-09-25 19:19 <Ubit> :)
2015-09-25 19:19 <Ubit> ty Saphira :)
2015-09-25 19:20 <Ubit> i just tring to chage the damm selected region on console lol
2015-09-25 19:21 <vegaslon> change region :)
2015-09-25 19:21 <Ubit> ahhh
2015-09-25 19:22 <Ubit> ok avatar does cross fine as u said
2015-09-25 19:23 <Ubit> yeap prims don't know about local regions
2015-09-25 19:29 <Ubit> bahhh
2015-09-25 19:30 <Ubit> that my last commit is wrong  :)
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2015-09-26 00:07 <Plugh> ah ha! Got the train to start moving.
2015-09-26 00:07 <Ubit> having a fight with standalones on same instance
2015-09-26 00:08 <Ubit> fixed the crossing  
2015-09-26 00:08 <Ubit> but the damm things don't get saved
2015-09-26 00:09 <Ubit> coping the sog to the other scene is still broken somewhere
2015-09-26 00:15 <Ubit> bahh found it
2015-09-26 00:33 <Ubit> vegaslon can u try now ? :)
2015-09-26 00:38 <vegaslon> yep will take a look at it
2015-09-26 00:43 <Ubit> 
ACTION drives his one prim car btw 2 var standalones while waiting

2015-09-26 00:44 <Ubit> yeack what a spam of getregionbyposition info msgs :)
2015-09-26 00:45 <vegaslon> yes indeed
2015-09-26 00:46 <Ubit> cross works now ?
2015-09-26 00:46 <vegaslon> yep
2015-09-26 00:46 <vegaslon> vehicles are reversing direction though after crossing
2015-09-26 00:46 <Ubit> err?? not mine
2015-09-26 00:46 <vegaslon> ya it is weird
2015-09-26 00:47 <Ubit> script thing ?
2015-09-26 00:47 <Ubit> well this crossings with ruth and 3 prims car is fast 
2015-09-26 00:48 <vegaslon> well what is weird is the vehicle crosses and then it suddenly wants to go backward even without a key pressed, if I press forward it stops moving but once I release it wants to go backwards again. I have full control of turning though and it stops as soon as I go over the border again
2015-09-26 00:48 <Ubit> strang
2015-09-26 00:48 <Ubit> e
2015-09-26 00:48 <vegaslon> once go over a border a second time it goes back to being fine
2015-09-26 00:48 <Ubit> mine with a basic script seems happy
2015-09-26 00:49 <Ubit> its a sl script or osg ?
2015-09-26 00:50 <vegaslon> sl script
2015-09-26 00:50 <Ubit> odd
2015-09-26 00:50 <vegaslon> seen it before so nothing new
2015-09-26 00:50 <Ubit> but its odd
2015-09-26 00:50 <vegaslon> only happens with this one vehicle it seems
2015-09-26 00:51 <Ubit> look around the script
2015-09-26 00:51 <Ubit> ubOde?
2015-09-26 00:51 <vegaslon> ya
2015-09-26 00:51 <Ubit> not sure others cross vehicles
2015-09-26 00:52 <Ubit> old ode doesnt
2015-09-26 00:52 <vegaslon> stuff is really screwy right now with bulletsim and this branch
2015-09-26 00:52 <Ubit> well it should cross.. and pofff out of gas
2015-09-26 00:52 <Ubit> hmm??
2015-09-26 00:52 <Ubit> should be similar to master with bullet
2015-09-26 00:53 <vegaslon> ya was mentioning it before, for some reason when you rez now in bulletsim on the terrain it sends what you rezzed to 0,0,0
2015-09-26 00:53 <Ubit> when o rez a prim ?
2015-09-26 00:53 <vegaslon> and sitting on a prim without a sit target fails as well
2015-09-26 00:53 <vegaslon> ya
2015-09-26 00:54 <Ubit> well only ubOde as  physics sits
2015-09-26 00:54 <vegaslon> you guys put in a bunch of stuff that uses raycasts from ode?
2015-09-26 00:54 <Ubit> bullet should sit as before
2015-09-26 00:54 <Ubit> yeap
2015-09-26 00:54 <Ubit> use on lsl castray and now rezzing prims
2015-09-26 00:55 <vegaslon> nope just makes you kind of stand on the prim but you do not get the standup button or anything and you can rotate around just not walk forward
2015-09-26 00:55 <Ubit> i did add  a raycast to rez prims
2015-09-26 00:55 <Ubit> bullet should either do it or say it doesnt do it :)
2015-09-26 00:56 <vegaslon> yep that is the problem then, robert has not put in anything for raycasts yet to bulletsim
2015-09-26 00:56 <Ubit> hmm let me see bullet
2015-09-26 00:56 <Ubit> well i added a funtion to query if physics has filtered raycat
2015-09-26 00:56 <vegaslon> there is plumming for it just not in the c++ part, it always sends no hits
2015-09-26 00:56 <Ubit> by defualt  they say no, so old code runs
2015-09-26 00:57 <Ubit> let me fire this on bullet
2015-09-26 00:58 <Ubit> on object rez:
2015-09-26 00:58 <Ubit> if (SupportsRayCastFiltered())
2015-09-26 00:58 <Ubit> else.. old code
2015-09-26 00:58 <Ubit> hmm
2015-09-26 00:58 <Ubit> rayfilter |= RayFilterFlags.LSLPhantom;
2015-09-26 00:59 <Ubit> not sure about this.. ubode will only see volume detectors
2015-09-26 01:01 <Ubit> what hell
2015-09-26 01:03 <Ubit> yeap seems i messed up old code :p
2015-09-26 01:04 <Ubit> wrong placement of }  grrr
2015-09-26 01:17 <Ubit> why can't we rez underwater?
2015-09-26 01:17 <Ubit> but can under terrain ??
2015-09-26 01:18 <vegaslon> used to do it all the time
2015-09-26 01:18 <vegaslon> rez under water
2015-09-26 01:18 <Ubit> well the code i see doesn't like it it seems
2015-09-26 01:18 <vegaslon> well you can not rez underwater if you are looking above the water
2015-09-26 01:19 <vegaslon> well looking down into the water
2015-09-26 01:19 <Ubit> yeap thats it
2015-09-26 01:19 <Ubit> ok then to rez boats etc
2015-09-26 01:19 <vegaslon> ya
2015-09-26 01:20 <Ubit> the if (dist != 0) i added messed up the {{}} chain :)
2015-09-26 01:24 <Ubit> ok adding that water thing to the phys rays
2015-09-26 01:24 <Ubit> they dont see water 
2015-09-26 01:25 <vegaslon> ya just another plane to test against
2015-09-26 01:25 <Ubit> i could add it
2015-09-26 01:25 <Ubit> but its needed ?
2015-09-26 01:25 <vegaslon> yay, my lsl hacks for border crossing on bulletsim work again
2015-09-26 01:25 <Ubit> ?
2015-09-26 01:25 <vegaslon> not sure, most likely it is good to keep people rezzing at line of sight
2015-09-26 01:26 <Ubit> u still need hacks?
2015-09-26 01:26 <Ubit> actuall viewer does give a point
2015-09-26 01:26 <vegaslon> ya there is nothing in bulletsim apearantly that keeps the vehicle actors activated after border crossing
2015-09-26 01:27 <Ubit> bullet just doesnt cross the vehicle parameters
2015-09-26 01:27 <vegaslon> without the hack you cross and then is like you hit a brick wall
2015-09-26 01:27 <vegaslon> ya
2015-09-26 01:27 <Ubit> i left the function that does the update at its door :)
2015-09-26 01:27 <Ubit> should be easy for mb to use it
2015-09-26 01:28 <vegaslon> what function is that?
2015-09-26 01:28 <Ubit> setvehicle ? or something
2015-09-26 01:28 <Ubit> with all the parameters
2015-09-26 01:30 <Ubit> what hell also broke normal sit without physics  grrr
2015-09-26 01:43 <vegaslon> talking about SetVehicle in SOPVehicle?
2015-09-26 01:43 <Ubit> mb
2015-09-26 01:44 <Ubit> public virtual void SetVehicle(object vdata) { }
2015-09-26 01:45 <Ubit> in OpenSim\Region\PhysicsModules\SharedBase\PhysicsActor.cs
2015-09-26 01:45 <vegaslon> ok
2015-09-26 01:45 <Ubit> for now only ubode prim overrides it
2015-09-26 01:46 <vegaslon> yep I see that
2015-09-26 01:46 <Ubit> see it in OdePrim
2015-09-26 01:46 <Ubit> ok
2015-09-26 01:55 <vegaslon> well if he does not get around to it in the next few weeks I will whip up a patch
2015-09-26 01:55 <Ubit> should be easy.. but well i never looked to that on bullet
2015-09-26 01:56 <vegaslon> basically you have packed 5 functions into one
2015-09-26 01:56 <Ubit> yeap
2015-09-26 17:21 <Ubit> hmmm well its added.. now.. hmm how does it work? lol
2015-09-26 17:23 <Ubit> ohh it does nothing usefull grrr why did i bother adding it :)
2015-09-27 03:27 <Rodger> anyone know how to convert from sras to fsassets?
2015-09-27 04:12 <w-t-h> Rodger is suppose you could do a data dump in a reverse order from an sras installation
2015-09-27 04:12 <w-t-h> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=10&p=64
2015-09-27 04:15 <w-t-h> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/FSAssets_Service#Migration
2015-09-27 15:52 <Plugh> nebadon: ping
2015-09-27 15:56 <Plugh> hm... more xmlrpc groups changes?
2015-09-27 15:56 <Ubit> nahh those where last night :P
2015-09-27 15:56 <Plugh> ok
2015-09-27 15:56 <Ubit> v2 as identical code
2015-09-27 15:57 <Plugh> oh, xmlrpc changes ported to v2. ok got it.
2015-09-27 15:58 <Ubit> yeap my en well ;)
2015-09-27 15:58 <Ubit> but both stil need more work i guess
2015-09-27 15:59 <Ubit> at least better notifications of some changes on groups. roles etc
2015-09-27 16:01 <Plugh> The changes for the xmlrpc version are to the module code only and not to the PHP side, or where there also changes needed there?
2015-09-27 16:01 <Ubit> module only
2015-09-27 16:02 <Plugh> k
2015-09-27 16:02 <Ubit> client <-> module messages
2015-09-27 16:02 <Ubit> or clients...
2015-09-27 16:03 <Plugh> I should get back to doing a few things on my ToDo list before I get back to OS relaed items.
2015-09-27 16:03 <Ubit> of better  viewers <-> module :)
2015-09-27 16:21 <Plugh> anyone happen to remember how many prims were in nebadon's Sierpinski pyramid that he had in osgrid? IIRC, it was over 100,000.
2015-09-27 16:33 <Ubit> no ideia
2015-09-27 16:52 <H-H-H> anyone know how i can get the memory used by a script
2015-09-27 17:23 <nebadon> Plugh > http://nebadon2025.com/oars/sierpinski_triangle_122572_prims_01.oar
2015-09-27 17:23 <nebadon> if you need more than 122k i can accomidate :)
2015-09-27 17:24 <nebadon> i wouldnt recommend it though, you can barely log in with more than that hehe
2015-09-27 17:26 <Plugh> 
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2015-09-27 17:27 <Plugh> Someone found some of your oar files. I was warning them off loading the sierpinski pyramid or physics arena oars.
2015-09-27 17:27 <Plugh> nebadon: How many prims in the physics arena before the balls start dropping?
2015-09-27 17:28 <nebadon> hmm not a ton, 5000-6000 maybe
2015-09-27 17:28 <Plugh> oh. Not too bad. Just that it rezzes a load of balls and the physics brings the region to its knees after a while, IIRC.
2015-09-27 17:29 <nebadon> ya there are many factors to why that could happen
2015-09-27 17:30 <Plugh> nebadon, the sierpinski thing was just on a regular sized region?
2015-09-27 17:30 <Plugh> What size of region is the physics arena?
2015-09-27 17:35 <nebadon> hmm good question
2015-09-27 17:35 <nebadon> i think the latest oar i have posted is 256m2
2015-09-27 17:35 <nebadon> but you can easily merge it into any size var
2015-09-27 17:36 <nebadon> might almost be better i leave it that way
2015-09-27 17:36 <nebadon> so we can use it on any size region
2015-09-27 17:36 <nebadon> just use merge and offsets
2015-09-27 17:38 <Plugh> 
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2015-09-27 17:44 <nebadon> that said Plugh, Sisyphus, which is the official source of that oar, is not 1536x1536
2015-09-27 17:44 <nebadon> i consider that an extreme var size
2015-09-27 17:44 <nebadon> i consider anything over 1024 extreme though
2015-09-27 17:44 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-09-27 17:44 <nebadon> in the should no be relied upon for production environments
2015-09-27 17:45 <nebadon> so far though ive had very little trouble with that size
2015-09-27 17:45 <nebadon> but i also have no neighbors or anything
2015-09-27 17:45 <nebadon> and traffic is light at best
2015-09-27 17:46 <Plugh> I have a 5x5 var loaded up in my SA for testing the avination merge branch. I'm also testing out the train system in that oar.
2015-09-27 17:46 <nebadon> nice, which train system is that?
2015-09-27 17:46 <nebadon> any links?
2015-09-27 17:47 <Plugh> Its from the same group that did the DTL/NSL money system. Give me a sec to find the URL.
2015-09-27 17:47 <Plugh> http://www.nsl.tuis.ac.jp/xoops/modules/x_movie/x_movie_view.php?cid=2&lid=30
2015-09-27 17:47 <nebadon> ah ya those guys
2015-09-27 17:48 <Plugh> yea, Network System Laboratory.
2015-09-27 17:48 <Plugh> Its rather lacking in documentation.
2015-09-27 17:48 <nebadon> they seem to do all kinds of cool stuff with opensim
2015-09-27 17:48 <nebadon> ya if there is docs, it will be japanese
2015-09-27 17:48 <Plugh> yea. That region has both planes and trains.
2015-09-27 17:48 <Plugh> It was meant for a mega but works in a var.
2015-09-27 17:48 <nebadon> yea they were really the first ones to push out a succesful opensim plane
2015-09-27 17:49 <nebadon> I wish we had better support for input device programming in the viewer
2015-09-27 17:49 <Plugh> I can think of some enhancements to that train system. I need to spend some time looking over the scripts to get a better understanding of how they work.
2015-09-27 17:50 <nebadon> ability to bind keys 
2015-09-27 17:50 <nebadon> LL really missed the boat on that one
2015-09-27 17:50 <Plugh> nebadon, if you load that oar, you have to touch the squares between the tracks to turn them green before the train will move.
2015-09-27 17:50 <nebadon> if you want to attract hard core gamers, you have to be able to bind keys
2015-09-27 17:50 <Plugh> and there are a lot of squares.
2015-09-27 17:50 <nebadon> k, yea I doubt I would mess with that much
2015-09-27 17:51 <Plugh> ah, yea. that could be an interesting addition.
2015-09-27 17:51 <nebadon> we have our own traffic system
2015-09-27 17:51 <nebadon> that does trains
2015-09-27 17:51 <Plugh> That's running in osgrid?
2015-09-27 17:51 <nebadon> no, for Encitra
2015-09-27 17:51 <Plugh> ok.
2015-09-27 17:51 <nebadon> the train i have for OSgrid kind of sucks
2015-09-27 17:51 <nebadon> RiRa has some train stuff
2015-09-27 17:51 <nebadon> you should talk to him next meeting
2015-09-27 17:52 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-09-27 17:52 <Plugh> I'm interested in the scripts that make things move. I have a sleigh that used to fly in SL but doesn't (or didn't) in OS. I also have a touring balloon that doesn't work right in OS.
2015-09-27 17:52 <nebadon> have you grabbed my latest racer?
2015-09-27 17:52 <nebadon> the orange McLaren?
2015-09-27 17:53 <nebadon> not my script, but i redid some of it, tuned it up
2015-09-27 17:53 <Plugh> Um... I don't remember. I did grab a new(er) copy of the racer from a meeting a while back. 
2015-09-27 17:53 <nebadon> they had it set for this huge outdoor var region race track
2015-09-27 17:53 <nebadon> the cars are going like 200mph lol
2015-09-27 17:53 <Plugh> I'm just not in osgrid much at all to test things out.
2015-09-27 17:53 <nebadon> i redid the script for more city style driving
2015-09-27 17:54 <nebadon> you can take anything you want of mine to your own grid
2015-09-27 17:54 <nebadon> dont even ask just take it
2015-09-27 17:54 <nebadon> :)
2015-09-27 17:54 <Plugh> That fast? Its hard enough taking corners at more normal speeds.
2015-09-27 17:54 <Plugh> ok.
2015-09-27 17:54 <nebadon> ya you should check out "Racetrack" on osgrid
2015-09-27 17:54 <nebadon> its pretty cool
2015-09-27 17:54 <Plugh> Its easy to copy the scripts, but time consuming to just C&P them.
2015-09-27 17:55 <nebadon> i used his script and turned the 220mphs lamborghini into a more reasonable city type driving vehicle that handles well in all gears
2015-09-27 17:55 <nebadon> his car is fun
2015-09-27 17:55 <nebadon> mine is more realistic
2015-09-27 17:55 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-09-27 17:56 <nebadon> he has different kinds of vehicles too though
2015-09-27 17:56 <nebadon> some of his cars have better scripts
2015-09-27 17:56 <Plugh> I'm not on the access list for Racetrack.
2015-09-27 17:56 <nebadon> they do stuff like drifting in turns
2015-09-27 17:56 <nebadon> and smoke particles when sliding etc..
2015-09-27 17:56 <nebadon> ah wierd
2015-09-27 17:56 <nebadon> should be open to all I thought
2015-09-27 17:56 <nebadon> maybe they are working on it
2015-09-27 17:57 <nebadon> you can grab some of his cars at Sisyphus
2015-09-27 17:57 <nebadon> the orange mclaren is the one with my script and model, he has a red lamborghini and one other car i forget now what it is
2015-09-27 17:58 <Plugh> I have OKC Racer 0.155, 0.186X, 0.187X, 0.188X, 0.189X, and 0.371x  
2015-09-27 17:58 <nebadon> his are cool cause doors and stuff open
2015-09-27 17:58 <nebadon> haha 0.155 thats a classic
2015-09-27 17:58 <nebadon> i wonder if that is original chassis
2015-09-27 17:58 <nebadon> the crazy sculpty version
2015-09-27 17:59 <Plugh> 211 prims
2015-09-27 17:59 <nebadon> ya lol
2015-09-27 17:59 <nebadon> thats not even finished version
2015-09-27 17:59 <nebadon> that was a fun racer the original ODE racer
2015-09-27 17:59 <Plugh> no, just seems to be a lot of prims. I don't see sculpties.
2015-09-27 17:59 <nebadon> some of it is
2015-09-27 17:59 <nebadon> if you look close at door trim
2015-09-27 18:00 <nebadon> although
2015-09-27 18:00 <nebadon> you might have pre sculpty version there
2015-09-27 18:00 <Plugh> What's the lastest version with the McClaren?
2015-09-27 18:00 <nebadon> which makes it even more rare :)
2015-09-27 18:00 <Plugh> ooh... a collectors item. :)
2015-09-27 18:00 <nebadon> i think its 371
2015-09-27 18:00 <nebadon> is the latest
2015-09-27 18:00 <nebadon> anything 3 should be the new mclaren
2015-09-27 18:01 <nebadon> 2 was old mclaren
2015-09-27 18:01 <nebadon> and anything 1 is the ODE racer
2015-09-27 18:01 <nebadon> 2 and 3 are bulletsim only
2015-09-27 18:01 <nebadon> but might work with ubode, dunno
2015-09-27 18:02 <Plugh> ok. Its black.
2015-09-27 18:02 <nebadon> hmm
2015-09-27 18:02 <nebadon> should be orange I think let me log in and look
2015-09-27 18:04 <nebadon> ahh actually ya
2015-09-27 18:04 <nebadon> i started a new name scheme for new racer
2015-09-27 18:04 <nebadon> duh
2015-09-27 18:05 <nebadon> latest version is "McLaren MP4-12C v1.41"
2015-09-27 18:05 <nebadon> 371 is new version of old mclaren and yes its black
2015-09-27 18:05 <nebadon> too many McLarens!!
2015-09-27 18:05 <nebadon> lol
2015-09-27 18:06 <nebadon> 1%er problems
2015-09-27 18:06 <nebadon> there is a lamborghini and corvette also that are the original script
2015-09-27 18:07 <nebadon> and few other vehicles
2015-09-27 18:07 <Plugh> ooh... what year vet?
2015-09-27 18:07 <nebadon> its 2014 or 2015
2015-09-27 18:07 <Plugh> ok.
2015-09-27 18:08 <nebadon> you will see with his cars
2015-09-27 18:08 <nebadon> you cant even get through the first turn of my track
2015-09-27 18:09 <nebadon> thats why i redid it
2015-09-27 18:24 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-09-27 18:24 <nebadon> haha the Sculpty Racer v0.088 is 492 prims, many sculpty
2015-09-27 18:28 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/sculpty_racer_v0.088-001_001.png
2015-09-27 18:28 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/sculpty_racer_v0.088-001_002.png
2015-09-27 18:28 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/sculpty_racer_v0.088-001_003.png
2015-09-27 18:28 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/sculpty_racer_v0.088-001_004.png
2015-09-27 18:28 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/sculpty_racer_v0.088-001_005.png
2015-09-27 18:28 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/sculpty_racer_v0.088-001_006.png
2015-09-27 18:28 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/sculpty_racer_v0.088-001_007.png
2015-09-27 18:29 <nebadon> i tried to make the frame look welded
2015-09-27 18:29 <nebadon> hehe
2015-09-27 18:29 <nebadon> its all sculpty
2015-09-27 18:30 <nebadon> more of a show peice than a practical driver in the end
2015-09-27 18:33 <Plugh> looks good
2015-09-27 22:17 <Rodger> I am getting malformed user agent connector uri where do i find this so i can check the uri?
2015-09-27 23:40 <Plugh> Have (some) regression tests been disabled in the avnmerge branch or is it that the tests are quiet (compared to master) unless there are errors?
2015-09-27 23:48 <Melanie_T> Plugh: avnmerge has no jenkins job
2015-09-27 23:49 <Melanie_T> in fact, most tests in it are probably broken
2015-09-27 23:49 <Melanie_T> since we at avn never ran them
2015-09-27 23:49 <Plugh> I'm not doing anything involving jenkins. I'm running tests locally.
2015-09-27 23:50 <Plugh> ok. I'm adding some regression tests to verify a bug in reading ini files before I have a go at fixing the bug.
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2015-09-28 11:15 <H-H-H> hey guys i need some help lol i just booted my local grid and was doing something inworld and the pc froze and now when i rebooted and re run the grid i get this
2015-09-28 11:15 <H-H-H> 12:14:47 - [REGION DB MYSQL]: MySQL error in ExecuteReader: MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlException: Table './opensim/primshapes' is marked as crashed and last (automatic?) repair failed
2015-09-28 11:15 <H-H-H> any ideas
2015-09-28 11:21 <Ubit> no :(
2015-09-28 11:22 <H-H-H> just tried a manual repair from phpmyadmin and it failed to
2015-09-28 11:22 <H-H-H> looks like im going to have to drop the db and resdo it
2015-09-28 11:34 <H-H-H> ok truncated the table and now i can log in 
2015-09-28 11:34 <H-H-H> just need to reload the 2 oars and i should be ok 
2015-09-28 11:42 <H-H-H> mental note if you want to see a interesting effect lol empty the primshapes table on a running grid lol
2015-09-28 11:44 <H-H-H> but seriously lol DONT DO THAT!!!
2015-09-28 11:44 <Ubit> :)
2015-09-28 11:46 <smxy> Well, back up your DB first, if you must. :)
2015-09-28 11:48 <H-H-H> ok thinks look back to normal now :)
2015-09-28 15:43 <Melanie_T> Ubit: ping
2015-09-28 15:44 <Ubit> pong
2015-09-28 15:44 <Melanie_T> please recert c6f8b5d6824161299a51a6e361377bc5491e55bf
2015-09-28 15:44 <Melanie_T> revert
2015-09-28 15:44 <Ubit> ok let me see
2015-09-28 15:44 <Melanie_T> it's needed when region (prim) storage is redirected to a non-database
2015-09-28 15:44 <Melanie_T> like we do in avination
2015-09-28 15:44 <Melanie_T> that change breaks our stuff
2015-09-28 15:45 <Ubit> the virtual thing ?
2015-09-28 15:45 <Melanie_T> yep
2015-09-28 15:45 <Ubit> ok
2015-09-28 15:45 <Melanie_T> needed if you want to inherit from that module
2015-09-28 15:46 <Ubit> yeap  i looked for the overrides guess missed them
2015-09-28 15:47 <Melanie_T> they're not anywhere you can see
2015-09-28 15:57 <osmantis> Bug #7728:04 Region prim count reported by the viewer is different than the one reported by osGetRegionStats 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7728 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-09-28 16:46 <smxy> Si, I guess tags are gone now? That rather throws a monkey wrench into my build process. I still don't understand how we're to know, when looking at various builds now, what order they were built in, what the represent in terms of what's in them, etc.. The has just isn't human readable at a glance, like a tag was.
2015-09-28 16:46 <smxy> So*
2015-09-28 16:46 <smxy> wow, can't type today.
2015-09-28 16:47 <smxy> let me try that again ...
2015-09-28 16:47 <smxy> So, I guess tags are gone now? That rather throws a monkey wrench into my build process. I still don't understand how we're to know, when looking at various builds now, what order they were built in, what they represent in terms of what's in them, etc.. The hash just isn't human readable at a glance, like a tag was.
2015-09-28 16:47 <smxy> Better.
2015-09-28 17:11 <Ubit> errr
2015-09-28 17:11 <Ubit> ahh ok
2015-09-28 17:50 <Plugh> Um... if the tags are gone, in what branch were they removed? I still see them.
2015-09-28 17:50 <Plugh> They are in master.
2015-09-28 17:51 <LiruCookies> You need to issue a separate command to pull tag changes, don't you?
2015-09-28 17:51 <Plugh> smxy: I know what you meant about how the tags can be useful. The only other option now is to go by a hash code plus the commit date.
2015-09-28 17:51 <Plugh> LiruCookies: I have no idea.
2015-09-28 17:52 <LiruCookies> That abuse of tags was really quite awful and broke just about every tool.
2015-09-28 17:53 <Plugh> Every tool other than ones that were part of git. :)  They still work fine with gitk.
2015-09-28 17:53 <LiruCookies> Yeah
2015-09-28 17:54 <LiruCookies> You can see from a hash what went into a build and you can see from a build date how old the build is
2015-09-28 17:59 <IgorVorotiloff> Is it normal that the last entry in shortlog is "2015-09-14 UbitUmarov my first commit"' ?
2015-09-28 18:00 <IgorVorotiloff> It was the last master with a tag.
2015-09-28 18:08 <smxy> I switched my build to use the hash as the version now.
2015-09-28 18:08 <smxy> If you look at the git log for Master, it was actually dahlia's last commit that was the last to have a tag on it.
2015-09-28 18:10 <Plugh> LiruCookies: That is only true if the commit is in a branch you have checked out. If the hash is for a commit in a different branch you can't tell how it relates to the code you have in front of you.
2015-09-28 18:11 <Plugh> IgorVorotiloff: yes.
2015-09-28 18:12 <Plugh> smxy: The last commit in master with a tag was from Melanie.
2015-09-28 18:13 <smxy> I have pulled up to date, and then did a show log (tortoise git) and it shows no tags on commits after dahlia's.
2015-09-28 18:13 <IgorVorotiloff> Ok, thank you ! And is there a way to have a shortlog with the commits like those displayed here under "cia-opensim" ? I use "http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=shortlog&p=opensim" as url.
2015-09-28 18:16 <Plugh> smxy: Hm... the last tag I see is 31174 in avnmerge by Melanie. In master it is 31163, also by Melanie.
2015-09-28 18:18 <Plugh> smxy: Last commit by dahlia was the "Best wishes everyone" which was a tag with 26k something.
2015-09-28 18:19 <Plugh> Guess it no longer matters. The old tags seem to have stayed and new commits are no longer tagged with a number.
2015-09-28 18:19 <Plugh> IgorVorotiloff: Have you tried 'git-shortlog'?
2015-09-28 18:21 <LiruCookies> Plugh: Sure you can, even with gitk
2015-09-28 18:21 <IgorVorotiloff> Please, explain 'git-shortlog' :)
2015-09-28 18:21 <Plugh> It is a command listed in the man page as summarizing the git log output.
2015-09-28 18:22 <Plugh> LiruCookies: only once you find out what branch the code is in.
2015-09-28 18:23 <LiruCookies> Plugh: Nope, gitk --all
2015-09-28 18:23 <Plugh> as a gui program I just run it as gitk.
2015-09-28 18:23 <LiruCookies> You can set it to show you all the branches
2015-09-28 18:23 <Plugh> ah, ok. You can change the view from inside gitk.
2015-09-28 18:24 <Plugh> The default is to only deal with the checked out tree
2015-09-28 18:25 <IgorVorotiloff> I suppose you are thinking I'm using a git program… In fact just Firefox with an Url to have an eye on the changes. And if I think that is important for my tests, I download the zip.
2015-09-28 18:30 <Plugh> ok. You will have to look at what options are provided on the web page if you want a short(er) summary of code changes than what it shows you as the default.
2015-09-28 18:34 <IgorVorotiloff> I have "Summary | Shortlog | Commit | Commitdiff | Tree |" Summary and Shortlog end with "2015-09-14 UbitUmarov my first commit"; for the others I have not problem to use them.
2015-09-28 18:41 <IgorVorotiloff> Something new, now in commit we have in the title : "Index » opensim : Commit 028cbb" ; I suppose that the 028cbb is what you said about to use the hash as the version.
2015-09-28 18:46 <Rodger> how do i fix [USER AGENT CONNECTOR]: mailformed uri error?
2015-09-28 18:46 <Rodger> i am also getting 19:42:50 - [USER AGENT CONNECTOR]: Unable to contact remote server  for GetBoolR
2015-09-28 18:46 <Rodger> esponse
2015-09-28 20:13 <Rodger> help with 10:31:07 - [USER AGENT CONNECTOR]: Malformed Uri /: Invalid URI: The rui is empty
2015-09-28 20:13 <Rodger> i lookeds in gridcommons and it is not empty
2015-09-28 20:15 <H-H-H> please pastebint eh opensim.log file or if its too big then the 10 lines before and the 10 lines after where that message occured
2015-09-28 20:18 <H-H-H> or if its in robust log then that file instead
2015-09-28 20:19 <Rodger> opensim console
2015-09-28 20:19 <Rodger> http://pastebin.com/pdQurs7a
2015-09-28 20:20 <H-H-H> the log file
2015-09-28 20:20 <Rodger> i keep having issues of could find presence for ... i think its related?
2015-09-28 20:24 <Ubit> OpenSim.Services.Connectors.Hypergrid.UserAgentServiceConnector 
2015-09-28 20:24 <Ubit> check the HG part of the config
2015-09-28 20:25 <H-H-H> what version of opensim do you run and also please pastebin the gridcommon file 
2015-09-28 20:25 <H-H-H> i was looking in my configs for the reference :)
2015-09-28 20:25 <H-H-H> but yes it looks like a misconfiguration
2015-09-28 20:26 <H-H-H> please remove passwords from mysql connection strings in gridcommon.ini before pastebin
2015-09-28 20:27 <Ubit> actuall i only see HomeURI  and GatekeeperURI
2015-09-28 20:27 <H-H-H> ubit scroll down
2015-09-28 20:28 <H-H-H> around line 219
2015-09-28 20:28 <Ubit> hmm what is ; RegionHGAssetServerURI  doing in the HGinventory section?
2015-09-28 20:33 <Ubit> but seems to be the HomeURI 
2015-09-28 20:35 <Rodger> http://pastebin.com/hYk7RxTZ
2015-09-28 20:35 <Ubit> well inventory does want the RegionHGAssetServerURI on its section :)
2015-09-28 20:37 <Ubit> uncoment both HomeURI and Gatekeeper just on top
2015-09-28 20:38 <Ubit> hten go to opensim.ini and check what you have for BaseURL
2015-09-28 20:38 <H-H-H> lol you type quicker than me
2015-09-28 20:38 <Ubit> :)
2015-09-28 20:38 <Rodger> and what did you mean about RegionHGAssetServerURI
2015-09-28 20:38 <Ubit> hmm forget that..  
2015-09-28 20:39 <Ubit> was just me thinking  :)
2015-09-28 20:43 <Rodger> think it worked than kyou
2015-09-28 20:44 <H-H-H> glad you got it working
2015-09-28 22:12 <smxy> It's probably been there a while and I just hadn't noticed it, but there's an "Experiences" tab in the Land floater. WTH are (in this context) "Experiences"?
2015-09-28 22:18 <LiruCookies> smxy: On opensim, nothing to my knowledge, on SL a whole new way to hand permissions (like animation permissions and others) out to scripts.
2015-09-28 22:19 <Ubit> yeap no "experiences" on opensim
2015-09-28 22:20 <Ubit> well not of that kind i mean :)
2015-09-28 22:24 <smxy> Interesting.
2015-09-28 22:25 <smxy> Thanks, LiruCookies
2015-09-28 23:35 <Plugh> hehe... I like the commit message in Singularity that just says "Linux is not Windows..."
2015-09-28 23:39 <LiruCookies> Thanks.
2015-09-28 23:53 <Melanie_T> but Gnu is not Unix
2015-09-29 00:04 <Plugh> wtf is going on now? I log in to a grid and it won't rez my appearance and it won't rez any of the world around me. Robust is tossing out -> System.SystemException: Error running mcs: Cannot find the specified file
2015-09-29 00:05 <Plugh> Nothing has been changed re: the install of mono-3.2.8 in a long time. Why all of a sudden would it say that?
2015-09-29 00:06 <Ubit> does say what file?
2015-09-29 00:06 <Ubit> on win i see robust complaining about a missing dll that is there
2015-09-29 00:07 <Ubit> i retry  and... works
2015-09-29 00:07 <Plugh> I've restarted Robust several times.
2015-09-29 00:08 <Plugh> http://pastebin.com/n9wm4GZu
2015-09-29 00:08 <Plugh> Linux box.
2015-09-29 00:08 <Plugh> It doesn't seem to be decoding any textures for me.
2015-09-29 00:09 <Plugh> I see the dot over my head (for voice) and the rest of the world is black.
2015-09-29 00:09 <Ubit> btw this is master or avnmerge?
2015-09-29 00:09 <Plugh> 080PF
2015-09-29 00:10 <Ubit> hmm this is loading a script ?
2015-09-29 00:10 <Plugh> This is trying to login to the region.
2015-09-29 00:11 <Plugh> I get in but no textures for my avatar and nothing around me is rezzing.
2015-09-29 00:11 <Ubit> yeap but the damm thing says everything but the name of the file :)
2015-09-29 00:11 <Ubit> at Mono.CSharp.CSharpCodeCompiler.CompileAssemblyFromFileBatch 
2015-09-29 00:13 <Plugh> I was sort of wondering if it wasn't finding some piece of mono.
2015-09-29 00:14 <Ubit> possible
2015-09-29 00:16 <Plugh> But nothing has changed on the machine re: mono that I know about so don't know why it would start having trouble accessing some part of mono.
2015-09-29 00:25 <Plugh> This version of Sing includes a workaround or fix for the bad folder types of OS. I wonder if that is the problem. Why Firestorm would also be affected I don't know.
2015-09-29 00:26 <Plugh> I have same black screen when I log in to osgrid.
2015-09-29 00:28 <Plugh> grr... why do all viewer devs feel the need to redo all the preference dialog boxes? Where the heck has FS put the option to clear cache???
2015-09-29 00:29 <Ubit> on a tab at top
2015-09-29 00:29 <smxy> second tab under networking I think
2015-09-29 00:29 <Ubit> yeap "directories"
2015-09-29 00:29 <Plugh> yea, just found it. *sighs*
2015-09-29 00:30 <smxy> grr... why does Plugh have to make changes to his modules all the time?
2015-09-29 00:30 <smxy> Works both ways. :)
2015-09-29 00:30 <smxy> I'd imagine in order to make things better or to incorporate stuff LL did.
2015-09-29 00:37 <Ubit> uff some stuff ll did should just be removed
2015-09-29 00:58 <Melanie_T> Ubit: just a heads up, your latest commit contains both intended (m_levelGroupCreate) as well as unintended (public Type ReplaceableInterface) whitespace changes
2015-09-29 00:59 <Melanie_T> whitespace changes on lines not involved in the functional patch should be separate cleanup patches
2015-09-29 00:59 <Melanie_T> not lumped in with functional change
2015-09-29 00:59 <Melanie_T> always do "git diff" before committing
2015-09-29 00:59 <Melanie_T> and make sure no whitespace changes have crept in
2015-09-29 01:02 <LiruCookies> Plugh: FS is a nightmare and they wanted one day to make it less so. There is a future cleanup of preferences in store for Singu just to tidy up and make like easier coming, probably 1.9 days thoguh.
2015-09-29 01:03 <LiruCookies> Don't forget we need to maintain translation of all these.
2015-09-29 01:05 <Plugh> Latest alpha sing is very unstable. It has crashed several times on me tonight. I've switched to FS for now. I'll try Sing another day.
2015-09-29 01:15 <LiruCookies> Did you send in your crash reports?
2015-09-29 01:32 <Ubit> and failed.. lol
2015-09-29 01:33 <Ubit> nahh no one will notice...
2015-09-29 01:36 <Plugh> LiruCookies: I've only tried using it about 3 times and it crashed very quickly. I haven't had time to do anything about the crashes. I'm not sure where to find them.
2015-09-29 01:40 <LiruCookies> The viewer should prompt you when it starts back up to send in crash reports
2015-09-29 01:46 <Plugh> It didn't do that after any crash.
2015-09-29 01:46 <Plugh> I haven't seen it ask me that in a very long time after any of the regular crashes I've experienced.
2015-09-29 01:48 <Plugh> Is there a config option about whether to send crash logs?
2015-09-29 01:49 <Ubit> possible it crashed so hard it didn't ask :)
2015-09-29 01:50 <Plugh> That happens often.
2015-09-29 01:50 <Plugh> ok. I have crash reports set to always send. No idea if it has ever sent one or not.
2015-09-29 01:50 <Plugh> Ive set it ask first so I'll know in future.
2015-09-29 01:51 <Ubit> ( ie say no all the time :p ;) )
2015-09-29 01:56 <Plugh> Crashed again. I was just standing there checking voice chat parameters and "poof" the viewer disappeared,.
2015-09-29 02:00 <Plugh> It asked me about sending a crash report just now. 
2015-09-29 02:00 <Ubit> 4mins later ?
2015-09-29 02:01 <Plugh> Latest alpha is too unstable. Perhaps tomorrow I'll downgrade my version and find one that is more stable.
2015-09-29 02:01 <Plugh> yup. Crashed in just a few minutes.
2015-09-29 02:01 <Ubit> the "normal" one seems working
2015-09-29 02:01 <Plugh> I wasn't even doing anything than trying to see if I could get voice chat working so I could talk. I can always hear but being able to talk has been broken for many releases.
2015-09-29 02:02 <Ubit> crashs a bit less than fs with large regions
2015-09-29 02:02 <Ubit> fs crashs at 3rd tp or so 
2015-09-29 02:03 <Plugh> I previously only used FS when I needed to talk on voice chat. Now I'll be using it more until I can find a more reliable version of Sing
2015-09-29 02:03 <Ubit> fs also keeps hidding prims specially attachments
2015-09-29 02:03 <Plugh> Let's see how long it takes to crash S. 
2015-09-29 02:04 <Plugh> logging in now
2015-09-29 02:04 <Ubit> did u check if the voice part was actually dead?
2015-09-29 02:04 <Plugh> It gives me four complaints about incomplete appearance and says that something may be "defect" instead of defective.
2015-09-29 02:05 <Plugh> I get the dot over my head. I've always been able to hear. I can't talk. Never get the green lines around the white dot
2015-09-29 02:05 <Plugh> poof. There goes Sing.
2015-09-29 02:05 <Plugh> 1.5 minutes and I hadn't done anything yet.
2015-09-29 02:05 <Ubit> :)
2015-09-29 02:06 <Plugh> I was in this chat most of that time.
2015-09-29 02:06 <Ubit> see if slvoice did really stopped
2015-09-29 02:06 <Plugh> its not running
2015-09-29 02:13 <Ubit> do you have a mic? 
2015-09-29 02:15 <Ubit> is it plughed? :)
2015-09-29 02:23 <Plugh> :D
2015-09-29 02:24 <Plugh> I just switch to FS to talk in voice. 
2015-09-29 02:25 <Ubit> 03:24:58 - [LLUDPSERVER]: Packet exceeded buffer size! This could be an indicati
2015-09-29 02:25 <Ubit> on of packet assembly not obeying the MTU. Type=LayerData, DataLength=1406, Buff
2015-09-29 02:25 <Ubit> erLength=1406
2015-09-29 02:25 <Ubit> grrrrr
2015-09-29 02:26 <Ubit> well its not harmfull  but by 6 ??  grrrr
2015-09-29 02:27 <Ubit> if a move a few meters to the side... no more error lol
2015-09-29 02:28 <Ubit> yeap error gone.. uff
2015-09-29 02:29 <Ubit> well warning..
2015-09-29 02:34 <Melanie_T> Ubit: Plugh lost his mic somewhere near Y2
2015-09-29 02:34 <Ubit> :)
2015-09-29 02:34 <Melanie_T> he couldn't get it up the steps
2015-09-29 02:34 <Plugh> take mic
2015-09-29 02:34 <Plugh> :)
2015-09-29 02:41 <Ubit> 03:40:32 - [XMLRPC-GROUPS-CONNECTOR]: Error when calling groups.getGroup for 58e
2015-09-29 02:41 <Ubit> 06f33-ea8c-4ff6-9af5-420606926118 with params RequestingSessionID:00000000-0000-
2015-09-29 02:41 <Ubit> 0000-0000-000000000000, WriteKey:, RequestingAgentID:58e06f33-ea8c-4ff6-9af5-420
2015-09-29 02:41 <Ubit> 606926118, RequestingAgentUserService:, ReadKey:.  Response params are error:Mus
2015-09-29 02:41 <Ubit> t specify GroupID or Name
2015-09-29 02:41 <Ubit> Region (UbitTestVar) #
2015-09-29 02:41 <Ubit> errr i only opened the dialog..
2015-09-29 02:42 <Ubit> well a glitch i guess
2015-09-29 02:44 <Ubit> Plugh.. that was the power cord.. not the mic
2015-09-29 15:09 <silverwillow> hey all, when is the next in-world developer meetup??
2015-09-29 15:09 <silverwillow> \
2015-09-29 15:27 <antont> it used to be on tuesdays so if is the same that'd be later today
2015-09-29 17:26 <vegaslon> Ubit Apearance you can not create a npc with a uuid of a avatar in the region anymore, throws a error about not finding the notecard
2015-09-29 17:43 <MarcusLlewellyn> The OpenSimulator Developer Meeting is in 20 mins. HG: hg.osgrid.org:Wright Plaza
2015-09-29 17:43 <MarcusLlewellyn> For those interested, it will also be livestreamed at: http://www.youtube.com/c/MarcusLlewellyn/live
2015-09-29 17:46 <lkalif> cool for the livestream
2015-09-29 17:47 <lkalif> can windows 10 recorder thingie send to yuoutube?
2015-09-29 17:49 <MarcusLlewellyn> I don't know. SO far s I know it only records to disk, but I haven't explored it fully.
2015-09-29 17:49 <MarcusLlewellyn> I use Open Broadcaster so I can do things like crop the view, and add my own chat overlay.
2015-09-29 17:49 <ChrisWeymann> youtube live streaming is not aviable in your country -.-
2015-09-29 17:50 <MarcusLlewellyn> Grrr.
2015-09-29 17:50 <ChrisWeymann> stupid youtube
2015-09-29 17:50 <MarcusLlewellyn> Well, it will also be uploaded to youtube asometime this evening. You could hopefully watch it then if you like.
2015-09-29 17:53 <MarcusLlewellyn> Looks like neb is gonna be AWOL for the beginning of it again. Heh.
2015-09-29 18:06 <Plugh> hm... nebadon isn't here for todays meeting.
2015-09-29 18:07 <H-H-H> oh crap i need to login lol
2015-09-29 19:42 <Ubit> thx vegaslon  going to check that npc thing
2015-09-29 19:43 <vegaslon> yep just a bunch of commented out code that takes care of it
2015-09-29 19:43 <vegaslon> also apears that avination had unowned npc turned off
2015-09-29 19:44 <vegaslon> also might make some people upset with the - NPC - group tag created on NPC
2015-09-29 19:54 <H-H-H> thanks vegaslon updater works a treat :)
2015-09-29 19:58 <MarcusLlewellyn> Since the people who might usually post the meeting log to the wiki weren't there today, I've taken the liberty of putting it up.
2015-09-29 20:31 <Melanie_T> vegaslon: there is a lot of code in the avination codebase that is based on avination policy decisions
2015-09-29 20:32 <Melanie_T> that is why we're in a branch
2015-09-29 20:32 <Melanie_T> to find those things so we can fix them
2015-09-29 20:32 <Melanie_T> before it hits master
2015-09-29 20:34 <vegaslon> ya why I mentioned this stuff
2015-09-29 20:54 <Plugh> MarcusLlewellyn: ok. I had C&P'ed the notes and passed them to nebadon
2015-09-29 21:19 <Ubit> hmm not exactly this order :)
2015-09-29 21:20 <Melanie_T> just for those here who visit avination: Avination is currently down because of unscheduled data center level maintenance
2015-09-29 21:21 <Melanie_T> ETA 3:00 am british time
2015-09-29 21:22 <Ubit> damm forgot add thx vegaslon on the commit 
2015-09-29 21:22 <Ubit> well thx vegaslon :)
2015-09-29 21:22 <vegaslon> welcome :)
2015-09-29 21:23 <Ubit> kept the rez rights restriction...
2015-09-29 21:24 <Melanie_T> anther case
2015-09-29 21:24 <Ubit> coffe break :)
2015-09-29 21:24 <Ubit> hmm ?
2015-09-29 21:24 <Melanie_T> owned npcs should not be able to cross into parcels the owner is banned from
2015-09-29 21:24 <Ubit> yeack
2015-09-29 21:25 <Ubit> thats on the other side of the sources :)
2015-09-29 21:25 <Melanie_T> i thought the other side of the sources is the sinks :P
2015-09-29 21:26 <Ubit> lol
2015-09-29 21:26 <Melanie_T> but then we have everything AND the kitchen sink anyway
2015-09-29 21:26 <Ubit> but now they can be unowned ?
2015-09-29 21:27 <Ubit> ( i do hate those things.. )
2015-09-29 21:27 <Melanie_T> maybe we should make it configurable
2015-09-29 21:27 <Melanie_T> AllowUnownedNPC
2015-09-29 21:27 <Melanie_T> and AllowNPCCopybotting
2015-09-29 21:27 <Melanie_T> :P
2015-09-29 21:27 <Ubit> uff this is runtime script part..
2015-09-29 21:28 <Ubit> extra glue needed
2015-09-29 21:28 <Melanie_T> because I can see creators of no-transfer or no-copy items complain about their work being multi-used in oher grids as well
2015-09-29 21:28 <Ubit> well they can buy shootguns..
2015-09-29 21:29 <Melanie_T> but not copybotted shotgins ;P
2015-09-29 21:29 <Melanie_T> guns*
2015-09-29 21:29 <Ubit> :)
2015-09-29 21:30 <vegaslon> stick something in the apearance creator that filters no copy no transfer items, with a setting of course to turn if on or off
2015-09-29 21:32 <Ubit> vega  thats 99.99% of things on avatars on comercial grids
2015-09-29 21:33 <Ubit> so easier just not allow :p
2015-09-29 21:34 <vegaslon> might as well just turn off npc completely at that point
2015-09-29 21:34 <Melanie_T> now why would you say that?
2015-09-29 21:34 <Melanie_T> avination allows anyone to create a NPC using _their own_ appearance
2015-09-29 21:35 <Melanie_T> so you can have any look
2015-09-29 21:35 <Melanie_T> you just have to buy the clothes
2015-09-29 21:35 <Melanie_T> i belive that is a honest compromise
2015-09-29 21:35 <vegaslon> any people would not complain about multi use in that case?
2015-09-29 21:35 <Melanie_T> especially as opposed to snapping a bunch of people and crafting a notecard to combine their stuff into new combinations
2015-09-29 21:36 <Melanie_T> which is really not nice to do to the creators
2015-09-29 21:36 <Melanie_T> vegaslon: that restrictio is a compromise that works in practice because clothing in particular is usually no transfer
2015-09-29 21:36 <Melanie_T> means, you can have multiple copies
2015-09-29 21:36 <vegaslon> the create npc from uuid of user in region thing without creating a notecard would just have seen as reasonable
2015-09-29 21:37 <vegaslon> *been
2015-09-29 21:37 <Melanie_T> possibly but we saw too great a griefing potential there
2015-09-29 21:37 <Melanie_T> whihc is also the case for the - NPC - "group" tag
2015-09-29 21:37 <Melanie_T> that we force on any npc that has a name
2015-09-29 21:37 <Melanie_T> our code makes the group tag blank if the name is blank
2015-09-29 21:37 <Melanie_T> that makes store models look nicer - they have no nameplate then
2015-09-29 21:38 <Melanie_T> but prevents spoofing and reputation based attacks
2015-09-29 21:38 <Melanie_T> with config options, it's up to the people who own the regions to decide policy
2015-09-29 21:39 <Melanie_T> opensim has always been like that
2015-09-29 21:40 <vegaslon> yes it has, more config options the better
2015-09-29 21:41 <Ubit> grrr
2015-09-29 21:41 <Ubit> :)
2015-09-29 21:43 <Ubit> ahh my coffe break !!
2015-09-29 21:43 <Ubit> brb
2015-09-29 22:05 <Plugh> My hosting service is doing maintenance over 3 days and it isn't suppose to affect any services today but it affected ability to fetch email.
2015-09-29 22:26 <Ubit> grrr fs keeps hidding my nice hat
2015-09-29 22:39 -!- Jsync(~jason@108.238.150.111) has left #opensim-dev
2015-09-30 01:52 <Plugh> hey, neadon.
2015-09-30 01:53 <Plugh> Does llEmail work for prim to prim communication? If so, is it only for prims in same region?
2015-09-30 01:58 <nebadon> hey
2015-09-30 01:58 <nebadon> i believe its region only currently
2015-09-30 01:58 <nebadon> its possible avination code expands that, but I can not say for sure
2015-09-30 01:59 <Ubit> err didn't look
2015-09-30 01:59 <nebadon> to be honest ive never used llemail in opensim, because we disable emails in osgrid
2015-09-30 01:59 <nebadon> and every other grid i have used had no need for it so far
2015-09-30 01:59 <Ubit> avn should do similar to sl
2015-09-30 02:00 <nebadon> if i was going to email someone using LSL
2015-09-30 02:00 <nebadon> id post it to php or something
2015-09-30 02:01 <nebadon> using llemail to talk between prims
2015-09-30 02:01 <nebadon> seems archaic
2015-09-30 02:01 <nebadon> llFaxMachine
2015-09-30 02:01 <Ubit> llSmokeSignal
2015-09-30 02:01 <nebadon> lol
2015-09-30 02:03 <Ubit> will someone plz feed the cat at lbsa??
2015-09-30 02:03 <Ubit> err oops
2015-09-30 02:14 <Plugh> What cat?
2015-09-30 02:15 <Ubit> a cat that is there meow all the time :)
2015-09-30 02:16 <Plugh> I have enough of that here at home.
2015-09-30 02:30 <Melanie_T> Plugh: llEmail works within a region
2015-09-30 02:30 <Melanie_T> it also sends email to remote servers
2015-09-30 02:31 <Plugh> ok. Wasn't sure if it could communicate with prims in other OS instances.
2015-09-30 02:31 <Melanie_T> alowing an interregion llEmail would require opensim to include grid infrastructure apart from the core code
2015-09-30 02:31 <Melanie_T> e.g. MTA configurations and the like
2015-09-30 02:31 <Melanie_T> it's been decided that such stuff is out fo scope for the core project
2015-09-30 02:32 <Melanie_T> basically meaning that who wants a gridlike infrastructire needs to build it themselves
2015-09-30 02:32 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-09-30 02:32 <Plugh> It would need some sort of local mail server
2015-09-30 02:32 <Melanie_T> i, for one, being conversant with MTAs, would not wish to field user questions on setup and operation
2015-09-30 02:32 <Melanie_T> some things need to be left to the "big girls and boys
2015-09-30 02:33 <Melanie_T> opensim can't, and has decided, even before my tenure as core member, will not be a "commercial grid in a box"
2015-09-30 02:33 <Melanie_T> that decision was taken by the founding menbers
2015-09-30 02:33 <Melanie_T> we must respect it
2015-09-30 02:34 <Plugh> Right
2015-09-30 02:34 <Melanie_T> anyway, i need to go to bed
2015-09-30 02:34 <Melanie_T> NN
2015-09-30 02:34 <Ubit> nn
2015-09-30 02:42 <Plugh> night
2015-09-30 11:00 <osmantis> Bug #7729:04 Library is not upload by robust or regions. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7729 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-09-30 11:19 <smxy> [22:33] <Melanie_T> opensim can't, and has decided, even before my tenure as core member, will not be a "commercial grid in a box"
2015-09-30 11:19 <smxy> [22:33] <Melanie_T> that decision was taken by the founding menbers
2015-09-30 11:19 <smxy> [22:33] <Melanie_T> we must respect it
2015-09-30 11:20 <smxy> That, is, of course, hogwash. You don't have to respect anything and can do anything you want, if you feel it's right for the project.
2015-09-30 11:21 <smxy> There might be any number of reasons for not doing it, but I seriously doubt respecting the founder's wishes is one of them.
2015-09-30 12:29 <antont> smxy: agreed. i guess is though that it is still a sensible position for others reasons -- however i don't really know the current state of the tech & demands from usage side so is not a very educated guess
2015-09-30 13:20 <JeffKelley> Plugh : why stick to llEmail when we have the so handy http client & server ?
2015-09-30 15:03 <osmantis> Bug #7729:04 Library is not upload by robust or regions. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7729 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-09-30 16:28 <osmantis> Bug #6818:04 llSetHoverHeight() is not equivalent to SL for avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6818 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-30 17:08 <Jsync> Is anybody familiar with the Diva Wifi addon?
2015-09-30 17:21 <nebadon> what is the problem Jsync?\
2015-09-30 17:41 <Jsync> nebadon, I am just curious if anybody is aware why my regions wouldn't be visible on my page. I haven't changed anything with default page setup yet.
2015-09-30 17:56 <nebadon> what page?
2015-09-30 17:56 <nebadon> on the front wifi page?
2015-09-30 17:56 <nebadon> you need to make sure you are using the diva mysql.dll 
2015-09-30 17:56 <nebadon> not the core mysql.dll
2015-09-30 17:56 <nebadon> otherwise that stuff doesnt work
2015-09-30 17:57 <nebadon> I assume you are standalone.ini
2015-09-30 17:57 <nebadon> actually its standalone-common.ini
2015-09-30 17:57 <nebadon> sorry im rusty on standalones
2015-09-30 17:59 <nebadon> you want to change : OpenSim.Data.MySQL.dll to > Diva.Data.MySQL.dll
2015-09-30 17:59 <nebadon> that should fix you up
2015-09-30 17:59 <nebadon> restart everything once you change it
2015-09-30 17:59 <nebadon> Jsync if your using WiFi in grid mode
2015-09-30 18:00 <nebadon> then the same thing applies but to grid common ini file and robust.ini
2015-09-30 18:00 <nebadon> anywhere you see OpenSim.Data.MySQL.dll in ini files
2015-09-30 18:00 <nebadon> replace with Diva.Data.MySQL.dll
2015-09-30 18:02 <nebadon> and as long as WiFi is installed properly it should work correctly
2015-09-30 18:02 <nebadon> hope that helps
2015-09-30 18:03 <nebadon> to be honest in grid mode im not 100% sure about having to do anything on the simulators with diva mysql
2015-09-30 18:03 <nebadon> it may only be Robust
2015-09-30 18:03 <nebadon> if changing only robust doesnt work then you might need to do simulators too
2015-09-30 18:04 <nebadon> but I dont think so
2015-09-30 18:04 <nebadon> if you get stuck let me know I will check the encitra configs for you
2015-09-30 18:06 <Jsync> ok, thanks nebadon. (Sorry, I was afk or I would have responded more quickly.) So the diva.dll works the same for OpenSim functionality?
2015-09-30 18:07 <nebadon> yep
2015-09-30 18:07 <nebadon> it adds functioality
2015-09-30 18:07 <nebadon> like what your missing :)
2015-09-30 18:08 <Jsync> nebadon, are you familiar with divas' attempt to incorporate .pdf reading in opensim?
2015-09-30 18:08 <nebadon> I am
2015-09-30 18:08 <nebadon> diva and I work together :)
2015-09-30 18:08 <nebadon> Encitra is our grid
2015-09-30 18:08 <nebadon> we actually did that for OSCC
2015-09-30 18:08 <Jsync> ah. I thought that was an especially neat feature. Is it fully functional within opensim?
2015-09-30 18:08 <nebadon> however it doesnt work very well
2015-09-30 18:08 <nebadon> its hard to setup
2015-09-30 18:09 <nebadon> relies on stuff that is a real nightmare to setup
2015-09-30 18:09 <nebadon> it also only worked in linux
2015-09-30 18:09 <nebadon> at this point I dont know
2015-09-30 18:09 <nebadon> it was for OSCC13
2015-09-30 18:09 <nebadon> we did not use it at the second OSCC
2015-09-30 18:09 <nebadon> cause it was to painful
2015-09-30 18:09 <Jsync> Hm. I would think with a simple viewer implemented pdf reader, it would work as well as anything.
2015-09-30 18:09 <nebadon> we would like to improve on it in the future
2015-09-30 18:10 <nebadon> that would be nice, but might prove difficult
2015-09-30 18:10 <nebadon> cross platform
2015-09-30 18:10 <nebadon> PDF being a kind of not open format
2015-09-30 18:10 <nebadon> it sort of is
2015-09-30 18:10 <Jsync> nebadon, what are your thoughts on using opensim for a 3D Desktop environment?
2015-09-30 18:10 <nebadon> its kind of in limbo
2015-09-30 18:11 <nebadon> a traditional operating system type desktop
2015-09-30 18:11 <nebadon> probably a bad idea if you like performance
2015-09-30 18:11 <nebadon> as a virtual desktop I think its good idea
2015-09-30 18:11 <nebadon> really its a virtual space that can be Anything
2015-09-30 18:11 <Jsync> when you say, "virtual", you mean "secondary"?
2015-09-30 18:12 <nebadon> well think more like cloud
2015-09-30 18:12 <nebadon> a desktop that can travel with you to any machine etc..
2015-09-30 18:12 <nebadon> using opensimulator as an operating system though thats probably not a great idea
2015-09-30 18:12 <nebadon> especially if security is an issue
2015-09-30 18:12 <nebadon> you certainly could modify opensim to make it more secure though
2015-09-30 18:13 <nebadon> using region modules etc..
2015-09-30 18:13 <nebadon> that is your best bet
2015-09-30 18:13 <nebadon> a Add on Region Module to extend functionality however you see fit
2015-09-30 18:13 <nebadon> the viewer is an all together different beast
2015-09-30 18:13 <nebadon> changing the viewer is hard
2015-09-30 18:13 <nebadon> but also doable
2015-09-30 18:13 <nebadon> but much harder than changing opensim itself would be
2015-09-30 18:14 <nebadon> but that also comes down to familiarity too
2015-09-30 18:14 <nebadon> a viewer dev might disagree
2015-09-30 18:14 <nebadon> :)
2015-09-30 18:14 <nebadon> that is something we are working on too
2015-09-30 18:14 <nebadon> we have a project called OnLook viewer
2015-09-30 18:15 <nebadon> that mostly LiruCookies and Diva did the work on so far
2015-09-30 18:15 <nebadon> i just picked the name and made the logo
2015-09-30 18:15 <nebadon> lol
2015-09-30 18:15 <Jsync> :)
2015-09-30 18:15 <nebadon> but the goal is the make the viewer more extensible and also be able to be programmed by the simulator
2015-09-30 18:15 <nebadon> so when you travel to a simulator
2015-09-30 18:15 <nebadon> the simulator programs the viewer UI
2015-09-30 18:16 <Jsync> Ah, for custom viewer interfaces
2015-09-30 18:16 <nebadon> yea
2015-09-30 18:16 <nebadon> maybe my sim is a first person shooter
2015-09-30 18:16 <nebadon> but yours is a 3D Website
2015-09-30 18:16 <nebadon> or a classroom etc..
2015-09-30 18:16 <nebadon> you can have customized huds
2015-09-30 18:16 <nebadon> no one has to fiddle with inventory
2015-09-30 18:16 <Jsync> So like, if you came to StarWarsGrid, you'd see the RPG side of the viewer features automatically.
2015-09-30 18:16 <nebadon> they just teleport in and are instantly ready to "Play"
2015-09-30 18:16 <nebadon> yea exactly
2015-09-30 18:17 <Jsync> One of the URL's for the grid tells the viewer what config to use
2015-09-30 18:17 <nebadon> it would be on a per simulator basis
2015-09-30 18:17 <nebadon> not grid
2015-09-30 18:17 <nebadon> but ya maybe have some kind of default grid wide configuration
2015-09-30 18:17 <Jsync> I did some work on the Imprudence Viewer. If you guys think you could use some help, I'd be recruitable. I'm sort of prolific.
2015-09-30 18:18 <nebadon> for those who just want the defaults
2015-09-30 18:18 <nebadon> ya anyone is welcome to work on OnLook
2015-09-30 18:18 <djphil> Is pathfinding is included in ubOde ?
2015-09-30 18:18 <nebadon> things are slow with it at the moment
2015-09-30 18:18 <nebadon> as our primary focus is opensimulator of course
2015-09-30 18:18 <nebadon> and many changes need to be made to opensim first to really do this the right way
2015-09-30 18:18 <nebadon> and stop hacking in things to accomidate Linden Lab protocols
2015-09-30 18:19 <Jsync> Is there a group or forum for the viewer dev?
2015-09-30 18:19 <nebadon> not really everyone is here
2015-09-30 18:19 <nebadon> its mostly like i said just Liru, Diva and MySQL
2015-09-30 18:19 <nebadon> doh
2015-09-30 18:19 <nebadon> mysql
2015-09-30 18:19 <nebadon> ahh autocorrecting rofl
2015-09-30 18:20 <nebadon> thats hilarious
2015-09-30 18:20 <nebadon> i think thats my fault for accidently telling spell check mysql was a word haha
2015-09-30 18:20 <Jsync> well, like I said, I worked with Imprudence. I'd be happy to help you guys. :)
2015-09-30 18:20 <Jsync> I do that as well
2015-09-30 18:20 <Jsync> my phone is so smart its' dumb
2015-09-30 18:21 <Jsync> That's what I get for trying to train a phone with small processor & ram to help me spell with technical terms
2015-09-30 18:22 <Jsync> Curious, why hasn't anyone ported an OpenSim viewer to the ps3 console?
2015-09-30 18:22 <nebadon> http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/opensim/onlook-viewer/
2015-09-30 18:22 <nebadon> because the ps3 is insane under powered?
2015-09-30 18:22 <nebadon> consoles are not very powerful
2015-09-30 18:22 <nebadon> in terms of hardware
2015-09-30 18:23 <Jsync> I would think the graphics sufficient
2015-09-30 18:23 <nebadon> and programmers generally do a lot of cheating to gain performance that doesnt lend well to this kind of environment
2015-09-30 18:23 <nebadon> not really
2015-09-30 18:23 <Jsync> I'd think they would remove building rights & other features
2015-09-30 18:23 <nebadon> it takes crazy skilled professionals to design 3d content for consoles
2015-09-30 18:23 <nebadon> opensim and sl are primarily amateur content
2015-09-30 18:23 <Jsync> ah
2015-09-30 18:24 <nebadon> compared to highly skilled game programers that companies like EA and Sony employe
2015-09-30 18:24 <Jsync> Hey, what's that grid you run with diva?
2015-09-30 18:24 <nebadon> even the most professional SL designers generally pale in comparison
2015-09-30 18:24 <nebadon> in terms of skill
2015-09-30 18:24 <nebadon> its not a social grid
2015-09-30 18:24 <Jsync> oh, just your test project?
2015-09-30 18:24 <nebadon> Encitra does city planning stuff
2015-09-30 18:24 <Jsync> cool
2015-09-30 18:25 <nebadon> we use opensim/viewer to visualize projects
2015-09-30 18:25 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl_ZspsTLls
2015-09-30 18:25 <Jsync> Did you commission that project for yourselves with any city planning & development organizations?
2015-09-30 18:26 <nebadon> no it was a company others started that I got involved with a bit later
2015-09-30 18:27 <Jsync> Are you bound to using the metric system with that project still?
2015-09-30 18:27 <Jsync> :)
2015-09-30 18:28 <Jsync> well, opensim beats cad anyday
2015-09-30 18:28 <nebadon> yes
2015-09-30 18:28 <lkalif> bound? you mean not living in the middle ages
2015-09-30 18:28 <nebadon> most of our work is in Sweden
2015-09-30 18:28 <nebadon> very metric :)
2015-09-30 18:29 <nebadon> and realistically its not that hard to convert from Imperial to Metric
2015-09-30 18:29 <nebadon> we arent doing machine tolerances
2015-09-30 18:29 <nebadon> we have 1m accuracy with our models
2015-09-30 18:30 <Jsync> that's cool. :)
2015-09-30 18:30 <lkalif> 'murican should have gotten rid of imperial measures when they got rid of king george
2015-09-30 18:30 <nebadon> this is another one we did
2015-09-30 18:30 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tc5qTPcIms
2015-09-30 18:30 <Jsync> I appreciate the help. Tell diva that I'm happy to help with the viewer as well.
2015-09-30 18:30 <nebadon> Sundbyberg Sweden
2015-09-30 18:31 <Plugh> opensim can make use of cad but you don't have to use cad software with it.
2015-09-30 18:34 <Jsync> Great looking presentation! 
2015-09-30 18:37 <nebadon> thanks :)
2015-09-30 18:37 <nebadon> i modeled sundbyberg by myself
2015-09-30 18:37 <nebadon> i did the video too :)
2015-09-30 18:38 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzhYIBkgEkE
2015-09-30 18:38 <Jsync> Yeah, great work!
2015-09-30 18:38 <nebadon> and this one was my first Encitra model > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=291yE_9eefU
2015-09-30 18:41 <Jsync> are those supposed to be scale models? I noticed some of the imagery looks like a "Google Maps" image
2015-09-30 18:45 <smxy> nebadon: Is your nebadon2025 grid down? My gate to it has been dead for a long time.
2015-09-30 18:47 <nebadon> hah probably
2015-09-30 18:47 <nebadon> i need to upgrade it
2015-09-30 18:47 <nebadon> i'll check on it in a bit
2015-09-30 18:47 <nebadon> jsync yes
2015-09-30 18:47 <nebadon> these models are to scale
2015-09-30 18:47 <nebadon> we use GIS terrain in mesh
2015-09-30 18:48 <nebadon> these models some of them are like the equivalent of 100+ second life regions
2015-09-30 18:48 <nebadon> we have 1/2 a dozen models that large right now
2015-09-30 18:55 <Jsync> I want OpenSim Transient Region Hosting. :) It seems a real waste to host 300 regions for a grid with 15 active people on it, though sometimes it's nice to have the 300 regions.
2015-09-30 18:56 <nebadon> Kitely
2015-09-30 18:56 <Jsync> It would be great if there was a way to setup an OpenSim region Server so that it could transiently host a particular region at the request to cross region borders.
2015-09-30 18:56 <nebadon> Kitely is on demand
2015-09-30 18:57 <nebadon> im not sure about border crossing
2015-09-30 18:57 <nebadon> as its not really a traditional grid service
2015-09-30 18:57 <Jsync> Did you ever play Neverwinter Nights?
2015-09-30 18:57 <nebadon> orenh could answer im sure, or point you in right direction
2015-09-30 18:57 <nebadon> I have not, I know what it is though
2015-09-30 18:58 <nebadon> but thats possibly the kind of thing we could do with OnLook
2015-09-30 18:58 <Jsync> I worked on NWN for a while priori I got into SecondLife. The regions were considered "areas", & they had a Area Transition object that would suspend the avatar & start the new region, then rez the avatar at the new region. Simple design I think.
2015-09-30 18:58 <nebadon> you have a gigantic VAR region
2015-09-30 18:58 <nebadon> but the viewer only lets you see 100m of it at a time or whatever
2015-09-30 18:59 <nebadon> ya it depends i guess on how many simultaneous players you are talking about too
2015-09-30 18:59 <nebadon> one of the reasons MMORPG games do stuff like that is to spread the load / load balancing
2015-09-30 18:59 <Jsync> right, though for a low traffic situation, it's without flaw
2015-09-30 19:00 <Jsync> A few developers could create an expansive playground without need for many resources
2015-09-30 19:02 <nebadon> yea I think if you are a very skilled 3D Modeler / Scripter and have a good understanding of opensim, you could do a lot of what you are saying out of the box
2015-09-30 19:03 <nebadon> really we just need a more flexible viewer
2015-09-30 19:03 <nebadon> more programable ui
2015-09-30 19:03 <nebadon> and possibly support for more formats, like PDF
2015-09-30 19:03 <nebadon> id like to eventually even see full HTML5/WebGL support
2015-09-30 19:04 <nebadon> on prim surfaces
2015-09-30 19:04 <nebadon> then yo could do really cool in world interfaces
2015-09-30 19:04 <nebadon> like Arcade machines for instance
2015-09-30 19:04 <nebadon> or 3d interactive menus
2015-09-30 19:05 <lkalif> webgl inside opengl? not gonna happen
2015-09-30 19:05 <nebadon> it already did
2015-09-30 19:05 <Saphira> why would you need webGL on a prim for that?
2015-09-30 19:05 <nebadon> Teapot
2015-09-30 19:05 <nebadon> could do WebGL on prim surface
2015-09-30 19:05 <nebadon> we tested it a while back
2015-09-30 19:05 <nebadon> at the time webgl wasnt so great though
2015-09-30 19:05 <nebadon> just really basic stuff
2015-09-30 19:06 <nebadon> Teapot had a very hacked up webkit though
2015-09-30 19:06 <nebadon> wasnt LL approved
2015-09-30 19:06 <Saphira> what's the point of that? We already have full 3d support, we don't need more 3d inside 3d, do we?
2015-09-30 19:07 <nebadon> huds
2015-09-30 19:07 <nebadon> 3D huds
2015-09-30 19:07 <nebadon> that are interactive and fast
2015-09-30 19:07 <lkalif> i see no point of it either, unless you think the viewer is too fast and want to kill it
2015-09-30 19:07 <lkalif> huds are 3d already
2015-09-30 19:08 <nebadon> ya but hardly easy to animate
2015-09-30 19:08 <nebadon> and ya alot of this stuff isnt feasible right now
2015-09-30 19:08 <nebadon> will be eventually though
2015-09-30 19:08 <lkalif> well some things are not a good idea in the first place ;)
2015-09-30 19:09 <lkalif> make objects with bones and animations
2015-09-30 19:09 <lkalif> for both in-world and huds
2015-09-30 19:09 <nebadon> ya thats a possibility too
2015-09-30 19:09 <lkalif> webgl is not the eay to go
2015-09-30 19:09 <nebadon> LSL sucks though
2015-09-30 19:10 <nebadon> well even just HTML5 canvas
2015-09-30 19:10 <nebadon> would be cool
2015-09-30 19:10 <nebadon> because
2015-09-30 19:10 <nebadon> you can update everyones hud
2015-09-30 19:10 <nebadon> in realtime
2015-09-30 19:10 <nebadon> 50 times per day
2015-09-30 19:10 <nebadon> do that with prims?
2015-09-30 19:10 <lkalif> you can do that too
2015-09-30 19:10 <nebadon> good luck, hav fun
2015-09-30 19:10 <nebadon> you could
2015-09-30 19:10 <nebadon> but it sucks
2015-09-30 19:10 <lkalif> and it's going to get even better with CEF
2015-09-30 19:11 <nebadon> well you could go outside of the in world limitations
2015-09-30 19:11 <nebadon> and do lots of cool things
2015-09-30 19:11 <nebadon> sure maybe you cant have 100 spinning flashing 3D paragraphs of text
2015-09-30 19:11 <nebadon> but you could do some cool things with a more proamable hud system
2015-09-30 19:11 <nebadon> HTML5/webgl is just example
2015-09-30 19:12 <nebadon> could be javascript or C#
2015-09-30 19:12 <nebadon> whatever
2015-09-30 19:12 <nebadon> plus take some load off the simulator delivering more assets and having lots of scripts running in xengine
2015-09-30 19:12 <nebadon> to update huds constantly
2015-09-30 19:12 <nebadon> sure you could do it that way again
2015-09-30 19:12 <nebadon> but its not ideal 
2015-09-30 19:13 <nebadon> im just saying as an option too
2015-09-30 19:13 <nebadon> not to supplant all other methods
2015-09-30 19:45 <osmantis> Bug #6818:04 llSetHoverHeight() is not equivalent to SL for avatars 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6818 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-09-30 21:23 <Ubit> vegaslon i ended up adding options for the NPCs creation
2015-09-30 21:23 <vegaslon> ya I pulling the log right now
2015-09-30 21:24 <Ubit> added them to opensim.ini.example on npc section
2015-09-30 21:30 <Ubit> hmm max 300 threads? ide the ideia id reduced that to 20 :p
2015-09-30 21:30 <Ubit> ( by threadpool )
2015-09-30 21:31 <vegaslon> already have a option in npc creation to create the npc sense as avatar or not unless you guys removed it
2015-09-30 21:31 <Ubit> hmm ?
2015-09-30 21:31 <Ubit> who removed it ?
2015-09-30 21:32 <Plugh> I don't get the idea of unowned NPC's. How would you create such things?
2015-09-30 21:32 <Ubit> neither do i Plugh  but was there
2015-09-30 21:33 <vegaslon> unowned npc would be good for a more then one user project
2015-09-30 21:33 <Plugh> Unless you use a region module to create NPCs any made via LSL scripts would (or should) be owned by the owner of the script.
2015-09-30 21:34 <Ubit> but who removed the sense as avatar?
2015-09-30 21:34 <vegaslon> no one I know of
2015-09-30 21:35 <vegaslon> OsNpcCreate should already have the option though
2015-09-30 21:35 <Ubit> this options are allow flags vegaslon
2015-09-30 21:35 <Ubit> not the option it self....
2015-09-30 21:36 <vegaslon> so if someone wanted to do it they would have to set the ini and also create the npc that way
2015-09-30 21:36 <Ubit> the script will fail
2015-09-30 21:36 <Ubit> unless u set the flag to true on the .ini
2015-09-30 21:37 <Ubit> same for notowned..  if false and u try to create not owned, script fails
2015-09-30 21:37 <Plugh> Ubit: For the if block starting at line 64 in OpenSim.Region.OptionalModules.World.NPC it would be simpler if you eliminated the opt=blah, if (opt) and just do if (blah).
2015-09-30 21:38 <Ubit> same thing...
2015-09-30 21:38 <Ubit> i did add the opt.. kept it :)
2015-09-30 21:38 <Plugh> Fewer lines and one less variable. :)
2015-09-30 21:39 <Ubit> ohh isn't C# compiler clever?
2015-09-30 21:39 <Ubit> :p
2015-09-30 21:39 <Plugh> Trying to pad the LOC count? ;)
2015-09-30 21:39 <Ubit> but yeap...  i started needing the opt, then just kept it there
2015-09-30 21:40 <Plugh> ok
2015-09-30 21:41 <Ubit> i usually don't look much on things that run once :)
2015-09-30 21:41 <Plugh> I wondered for a moment if you need the opt near the end in which case checking the option flags variable against None would have given you the value at the end. Since opt isn't needed outside the if block it doesn't matter that much.
2015-09-30 21:42 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-09-30 21:42 <Plugh> I just like seeing fewer lines of code. There is already enough lines to read. :)
2015-09-30 21:42 <Ubit> yeap  but longer and harder to read,,,
2015-09-30 21:43 <Ubit> but i did agreed with you already :p
2015-09-30 21:43 <Ubit> next time we need to change that file, we can clear the opt out :p
2015-09-30 21:44 <djphil> Is pathfinding is included in ubOde ?
2015-09-30 21:44 <vegaslon> only complaint is setting all this restrictive by default, I know some people are going to feel like forcing policy on opensim without any word from the users
2015-09-30 21:44 <Ubit> thats what it should be in first place :p
2015-09-30 21:44 <vegaslon> only been this way for years
2015-09-30 21:45 <Ubit> nahh forcing was original avination code without options
2015-09-30 21:46 <vegaslon> also going to mess up the ossl documentation
2015-09-30 21:46 <Plugh> documentation? :)
2015-09-30 21:46 <vegaslon> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsNpcCreate
2015-09-30 21:47 <Ubit> documentation? :)
2015-09-30 21:47 <vegaslon> one of the few things documented
2015-09-30 21:47 <Plugh> vegaslon: The usual answer to that is that its a wiki. Feel free to update it. 
2015-09-30 21:47 <Ubit> but dont rush.. still not on master
2015-09-30 21:47 <vegaslon> lol you can say that but will not be clear anymore
2015-09-30 21:47 <Ubit> we may remove the not owned :p
2015-09-30 21:48 <djphil> Toc toc toc :)01
2015-09-30 21:48 <djphil> 01Is pathfinding is included in new ubOde ?01
2015-09-30 21:48 <Ubit> well master is also a working thing.. not a release
2015-09-30 21:48 <Ubit> no djphil
2015-09-30 21:48 <Plugh> djphil: I don't even know if it is available in OS
2015-09-30 21:48 <Ubit> its not
2015-09-30 21:48 <vegaslon> I would think not, all implementation of pathfinding so far have been memory hogs
2015-09-30 21:49 <djphil> ty :p
2015-09-30 21:49 <Plugh> Ubit: ok. That answers my question of several days ago.
2015-09-30 21:49 <Ubit> master has a stats bug, sending info on pathfing things
2015-09-30 21:49 <Ubit> oh ?
2015-09-30 21:50 <djphil> 
ACTION i hope it coming soon :p

2015-09-30 21:51 <Ubit> hmm coming what ?
2015-09-30 21:51 <djphil> Pathfinding stuffs
2015-09-30 21:51 <Ubit> why ?
2015-09-30 21:52 <djphil> to use it on my sim ... Pathfinding have a lot of very interessing LSL functions.
2015-09-30 21:52 <djphil> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Pathfinding_LSL_functions
2015-09-30 21:53 <djphil> That nice for games :)
2015-09-30 21:53 <Ubit> yeap
2015-09-30 21:53 <djphil> or fun freebies
2015-09-30 21:53 <Ubit> but its a entire diferent model for things
2015-09-30 21:54 <Ubit> also seems a bit havoc oriented.. but details
2015-09-30 21:54 <djphil> That why i ask if ubOde include it or not
2015-09-30 21:55 <djphil> Or maybee Bullet for futur ...
2015-09-30 21:55 <vegaslon> nope not part of bullet
2015-09-30 21:55 <Ubit> yeap.. but it doesn't and im not really that motivated to add it :)
2015-09-30 21:55 <djphil> soon i hope !
2015-09-30 21:55 <djphil> Give a little love for it :)
2015-09-30 21:56 <djphil> and a lot of coffee ^^
2015-09-30 21:56 <Ubit> that was l  trying to run into pure gaming market...
2015-09-30 21:57 <djphil> i understand but ...
2015-09-30 21:57 <Ubit> i meant LL trying...
2015-09-30 21:57 <djphil> Pathfinding working great in SL ...
2015-09-30 21:58 <Ubit> good for them :p
2015-09-30 21:58 <djphil> i don't know if Avination have pathfinding ?
2015-09-30 21:58 <Ubit> nopes
2015-09-30 21:58 <Ubit> if it had it whould be here now
2015-09-30 21:58 <djphil> Could also be good for opensim :p
2015-09-30 21:59 <Ubit> mb
2015-09-30 21:59 <Ubit> but we do have tons of other things more relevant for normal use of opensim to fix first
2015-09-30 21:59 <Ubit> then u can mk a module for it and add it ;)
2015-09-30 22:00 <vegaslon> there is some pathfinding stuff in whitestar I beleive, buried deep
2015-09-30 22:00 <djphil> Yeap, Email module for exemple ^^
2015-09-30 22:00 <Ubit> well it whould be better in physics engine..
2015-09-30 22:00 <vegaslon> *whitecore
2015-09-30 22:01 <vegaslon> to be honest pathfind would work best done from a webserver
2015-09-30 22:01 <djphil> yes vegaslon, it come from Aurora-Sim
2015-09-30 22:01 <djphil> i have tested it in Aurora :)
2015-09-30 22:01 <Ubit> aurora added pathfinding ?
2015-09-30 22:01 <djphil> not 100%
2015-09-30 22:01 <Ubit> bahh
2015-09-30 22:02 <djphil> i don't remember exactly how many Pathfonding function working in Aurora ...
2015-09-30 22:02 <Melanie_T> ubit: unowned NPC have their uses in opensim
2015-09-30 22:02 <Melanie_T> they need to be kept
2015-09-30 22:02 <djphil> But some works ...
2015-09-30 22:03 <Melanie_T> also, it's opensim's policy that when options are introduced, the option's defaults, both in-code and in opensimdefaults.ini are to be set to allow what was possible before the options were added
2015-09-30 22:03 <Melanie_T> in terms of the NPCs, the defaults should represent the way master is
2015-09-30 22:03 <djphil> In work in Aurora with AuroraOpenDynamicsEngine
2015-09-30 22:04 <Melanie_T> not the way the merge made it be
2015-09-30 22:04 <djphil> AuroraOpenDynamicsEngine is a improvment of ODE
2015-09-30 22:04 <djphil> like SL :)
2015-09-30 22:05 <Melanie_T> several people have, at various times, pulled code from aurora and ubit was a contributor there
2015-09-30 22:05 <djphil> yes i have see that
2015-09-30 22:05 <Ubit> ubODE is a improved version of AuroraOpenDynamicsEngine, at least as it was when i left the project
2015-09-30 22:05 <Melanie_T> Ubit: one more thing that came up
2015-09-30 22:06 <djphil> hehe Ubit :p
2015-09-30 22:06 <Ubit> i made initial aurora ode
2015-09-30 22:06 <Melanie_T> the issue that the chat module had, where, when there is no [Chat] section defined in any config file
2015-09-30 22:06 <Ubit> yes mel ?
2015-09-30 22:06 <Melanie_T> the same issue maybe present in core profiles
2015-09-30 22:06 <Melanie_T> because if I use configger to create a compact configuration
2015-09-30 22:06 <djphil> ha ok, i see :)
2015-09-30 22:06 <Melanie_T> profile imnages can't be saved anymore
2015-09-30 22:07 <Melanie_T> it may be because in-code defaults don't match opensimdefaults.ini
2015-09-30 22:07 <Ubit> possible
2015-09-30 22:07 <Plugh> djphil: What's that about the Email module?
2015-09-30 22:07 <Melanie_T> or it may be because profiles wrongly disables itself if Config.Configs["Profile"] is null
2015-09-30 22:07 <Melanie_T> when instead that should make it assume all options are defaulted
2015-09-30 22:08 <djphil> Plugh : http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6559
2015-09-30 22:08 <Ubit> most modules do disable if no section for them
2015-09-30 22:08 <Plugh> Some of those pathfinding functions seem fairly standard. There are LSL scripts that do pursue, or can do wander within and navigate to
2015-09-30 22:09 <Plugh> or patrol points
2015-09-30 22:10 <Plugh> djphil: oh, right. I've been distracted by an RL project of mine. I meant to have a look at updating that code.
2015-09-30 22:10 <djphil> yes Plugh, i remember llPursue  work in Aurora
2015-09-30 22:10 <Melanie_T> how could pathfinding work without a navmesh?
2015-09-30 22:10 <djphil> np, the mantis is for the mail module :)
2015-09-30 22:11 <Ubit> it can mel
2015-09-30 22:11 <djphil> what is navmesh ?
2015-09-30 22:11 <Ubit> hmm thing several ppl did modules for it also
2015-09-30 22:11 <Plugh> getting an object to automatically navigate a walkway would be more complicated. Other basic things would be simple enough.
2015-09-30 22:11 <Ubit> its a mesh with terrain and static objects
2015-09-30 22:12 <Ubit> nad also some flags per triangle difining speeds etc
2015-09-30 22:12 <djphil> ha okay
2015-09-30 22:12 <Melanie_T> djphil: if your mail server diesn't allow PLAIN auth type, you will get that message
2015-09-30 22:12 <Ubit> so to speed up  collisions with static world
2015-09-30 22:12 <Melanie_T> only PLAIN is supported, I think
2015-09-30 22:12 <Melanie_T> LOGIN may be supported but none of the crypto logins are
2015-09-30 22:13 <Melanie_T> Ubit: one of the most important functions of the LL navmesh is to allow the definition of walkable vs. non-walkable surfaces
2015-09-30 22:13 <Melanie_T> preventing a pursuer from going across roofs or similar
2015-09-30 22:13 <Plugh> Melanie_T: That is what the bug report is about. It should be possible to add crypto now. Even when using mono. I'm just not sure exactly when the enhanced mail features were added to mono.
2015-09-30 22:14 <Ubit> yeap the flags i said
2015-09-30 22:15 <djphil> i use xampp Mel to connect to my webmail from my FAI
2015-09-30 22:15 <djphil> under windows
2015-09-30 22:15 <Plugh> FAI?
2015-09-30 22:15 <djphil> Provider
2015-09-30 22:15 <Plugh> ok
2015-09-30 22:15 <djphil> and requiere autentification
2015-09-30 22:16 <Melanie_T> djphil: mono doesn't have the new ciphers and according to the mono people they will not be added
2015-09-30 22:16 <djphil> that why kcozen say mail module need a update
2015-09-30 22:16 <Melanie_T> also the smtp lib that is being used doesn't support crypto
2015-09-30 22:16 <Melanie_T> so, not going to happen
2015-09-30 22:16 <Melanie_T> just enable LOGIN
2015-09-30 22:17 <djphil> that probably a part of problem Mel, yes
2015-09-30 22:17 <Melanie_T> i consider it unwise to allow opensim to connect to an ISP's SMTP host
2015-09-30 22:17 <djphil> xampp use smtp
2015-09-30 22:17 <Melanie_T> its a quick way to get yourself blocked for spam
2015-09-30 22:17 <Melanie_T> set up a postfix server
2015-09-30 22:17 <Melanie_T> enable PLAIN
2015-09-30 22:18 <Melanie_T> then use whatever filtering you need to make sure no prim sends out something your ISP would consider virus or spam
2015-09-30 22:18 <Melanie_T> and let that postfix send to your ISP
2015-09-30 22:18 <Melanie_T> it knows how to to crypto
2015-09-30 22:18 <Plugh> Melanie_T: The System.Net.Mail.SmtpClient class in .NET and the version of it in mono don't handle the same set of ciphers?
2015-09-30 22:18 <Melanie_T> opensim isn't made for the use case you're trying
2015-09-30 22:18 <Melanie_T> Plugh: no, because miguel apparently said the modern ciphers will not be included in mono
2015-09-30 22:19 <Melanie_T> at least not open source, i believe his xamarin commercial mono has them
2015-09-30 22:19 <djphil> heh Mel, i'm not a webmail server specialist ...
2015-09-30 22:19 <djphil> some ppl are not specialist ...
2015-09-30 22:19 <Plugh> Is he trying to push his commercial version of mono if you need support for modern ciphers?
2015-09-30 22:19 <Plugh> I wodner why he does not want to support them in mono
2015-09-30 22:21 <nebadon> their focus seems to be primarily mobile apps
2015-09-30 22:21 <nebadon> and their server focus is inside of apache
2015-09-30 22:21 <nebadon> mostly
2015-09-30 22:21 <nebadon> ASP.net
2015-09-30 22:21 <Plugh> and mobile apps don't need security?
2015-09-30 22:21 <djphil> Melanie_T : I recall that the area manager is free to enable this module or not to activate it if he believes that this is a danger of spam for him ...
2015-09-30 22:21 <Plugh> I would think they need it more 
2015-09-30 22:21 <nebadon> no his commercial mono
2015-09-30 22:21 <nebadon> is geared towards mobile
2015-09-30 22:21 <Plugh> nebadon: oh
2015-09-30 22:21 <djphil> hello Neb :)
2015-09-30 22:21 <Plugh> hey, neb. Missed you at this weeks meeting.
2015-09-30 22:22 <nebadon> yea i couldnt make it will be there next week :)
2015-09-30 22:23 <OtakuMegane> It mostly consisted of debate over removing viewer limitations and why the rendering performance sucks.
2015-09-30 22:23 <nebadon> rendering performance sucks because most of the content we display is not very well optimized
2015-09-30 22:23 <nebadon> not a whole lot we can do about that
2015-09-30 22:24 <nebadon> other than make the minimum requirements a Nvidia GTX 980
2015-09-30 22:24 <nebadon> lol
2015-09-30 22:24 <OtakuMegane> Yeah, it's a 100% dynamic environment. That was brought up early on. The rest though is the viewer is not the best optimized code and is based on ancient GL because LL liek backwards compatibility
2015-09-30 22:24 <Plugh> hm... I wonder if the sources from MS for .NET include the SMTP class stuff.
2015-09-30 22:25 <nebadon> newer OpenGL doesnt necesarily mean better performance
2015-09-30 22:25 <OtakuMegane> No but it opens up access to features and changes that can improve performance
2015-09-30 22:25 <nebadon> perhaps, if content is designed in a way that works well
2015-09-30 22:26 <OtakuMegane> It still has to actually be implemented properly but right now nobody can actually do it regardless
2015-09-30 22:26 <nebadon> its not hard to create content that makes it run bad and looks like crap
2015-09-30 22:26 <nebadon> encitra we have this problem a lot with student builders
2015-09-30 22:27 <nebadon> they use 6000 prims to make a building that could literally be like 500
2015-09-30 22:27 <OtakuMegane> Of course some content is never going to do well. But even with decent content, performance still sucks and often in ways it really shouldn't.
2015-09-30 22:27 <nebadon> and 80% of the building has invisible texture applied
2015-09-30 22:27 <Plugh> If part of the building is invisible why do you need the prims? 
2015-09-30 22:28 <nebadon> because they only need 1 surface of a cube
2015-09-30 22:28 <nebadon> there is no plane prim
2015-09-30 22:28 <nebadon> windows for instance
2015-09-30 22:28 <nebadon> a cube prim is 96 vertices
2015-09-30 22:28 <nebadon> i could make the same window in mesh using 4 vertices
2015-09-30 22:28 <nebadon> and 2 triangles
2015-09-30 22:29 <nebadon> and performance is literally 90% better
2015-09-30 22:29 <nebadon> i dont care how good your engine is
2015-09-30 22:29 <djphil> sure!
2015-09-30 22:29 <OtakuMegane> That of course doesn't help. I get that tortured prim needs more but until it actually is, a basic cube shouldn't be done so complex. :P
2015-09-30 22:29 <nebadon> 2 million vertices is going to be slow
2015-09-30 22:29 <nebadon> infact
2015-09-30 22:29 <nebadon> i bet loading our opensim models into things like Unity and Unreal
2015-09-30 22:29 <djphil> how many for TRex ?
2015-09-30 22:29 <nebadon> performance would be 10 times worse
2015-09-30 22:30 <nebadon> without some form of geometry optimization
2015-09-30 22:30 <Plugh> yeah, 96 vertices for a cube is nuts.
2015-09-30 22:30 <nebadon> its because of prim torture
2015-09-30 22:30 <nebadon> it has to be
2015-09-30 22:30 <nebadon> for cuts and hollows
2015-09-30 22:30 <CmdrCupcake> The viewer isn't that ancient opengl-wise :p
2015-09-30 22:30 <nebadon> it is
2015-09-30 22:30 <nebadon> OpenGL 2.0
2015-09-30 22:31 <nebadon> its seriously like 10+ years old
2015-09-30 22:31 <Plugh> so add the vertices when they are needed?
2015-09-30 22:31 <OtakuMegane> If you've tortured the heck out of the cube then yeah it needs it. BUt if the cube is just a plain unaltered cube, why does it still do 96?
2015-09-30 22:31 <CmdrCupcake> I work on the renderer. 
2015-09-30 22:31 <CmdrCupcake> It's not OpenGL 2.0 :p
2015-09-30 22:31 <OtakuMegane> That's dumb
2015-09-30 22:31 <nebadon> because its a prim otakumegane
2015-09-30 22:31 <nebadon> it is what it is
2015-09-30 22:31 <OtakuMegane> But it shouldn't. -_-
2015-09-30 22:31 <Plugh> yea
2015-09-30 22:31 <CmdrCupcake> There are fallback paths to older versions of opengl though :D
2015-09-30 22:31 <nebadon> to cut and decimate on the fly is crazy intensive
2015-09-30 22:31 <OtakuMegane> It doesn't have to. I t could be done better.
2015-09-30 22:31 <nebadon> requires a lot of cycles
2015-09-30 22:31 <Plugh> Is that a viewer or backend issue?
2015-09-30 22:31 <nebadon> it would not be better
2015-09-30 22:32 <nebadon> prims are very fast
2015-09-30 22:32 <nebadon> you cant get much faster
2015-09-30 22:32 <Plugh> I wonder how bad a sphere or cylinder must be.
2015-09-30 22:32 <nebadon> but they are also not efficient in some ways
2015-09-30 22:32 <OtakuMegane> Until you have to render 96 vertices to show a plywood box.
2015-09-30 22:32 <nebadon> they use a lot of resources
2015-09-30 22:32 <nebadon> but they are fast
2015-09-30 22:32 <nebadon> if you had 10000 cubes
2015-09-30 22:32 <nebadon> all cut differently
2015-09-30 22:32 <nebadon> and it has to calculate differently it gets expensive
2015-09-30 22:33 <nebadon> but ya thats why mesh is good
2015-09-30 22:33 <nebadon> you can make the same cube with 8 verts and 12 triangles
2015-09-30 22:33 <CmdrCupcake> The renderer is at around opengl 3.3 in its various odd feature usage btw :p
2015-09-30 22:33 <OtakuMegane> Well, why can't it start with a simple cube structure and then if you torture it *any way* it swaps out for the 96 vertices model?
2015-09-30 22:33 <nebadon> do the math on 1000 cubes
2015-09-30 22:33 <nebadon> 8800 vert difference
2015-09-30 22:33 <nebadon> thats a lot
2015-09-30 22:34 <nebadon> because itts slow OtakuMegane
2015-09-30 22:34 <nebadon> very cpu intensive
2015-09-30 22:34 <OtakuMegane> So is rendering :P
2015-09-30 22:34 <nebadon> not really
2015-09-30 22:34 <nebadon> rendering is far less intensive
2015-09-30 22:34 <Plugh> I wonder why things were based on triangles instead of squares, or a mix of the two.
2015-09-30 22:34 <nebadon> for a GPU
2015-09-30 22:34 <nebadon> prim stuff would happen on GPU
2015-09-30 22:34 <nebadon> likely
2015-09-30 22:34 <CmdrCupcake> the SL renderer is stupidly cpu bound lol
2015-09-30 22:34 <OtakuMegane> And yet performance sucks
2015-09-30 22:35 <nebadon> personally I think viewer performance is great
2015-09-30 22:35 <nebadon> if you make models right
2015-09-30 22:35 <nebadon> if you stick to solid video game principles
2015-09-30 22:35 <nebadon> the LL engine is amazing
2015-09-30 22:35 <Plugh> CmdrCupcake: Probably doesn't make use of multiple CPU cores.
2015-09-30 22:35 <nebadon> it doesnt get much better honestly
2015-09-30 22:35 <nebadon> to go to better engines
2015-09-30 22:35 <CmdrCupcake> Plugh: I'm a viewer dev. :p
2015-09-30 22:35 <nebadon> means far more expensive tools
2015-09-30 22:35 <nebadon> and far more training required
2015-09-30 22:35 <OtakuMegane> I have a 4.3GHz quad-core and a 760 GTX. Wright still runs at about 6-8fps. Maybe double that if I turn off shadows but then it doesn't look that nice.
2015-09-30 22:35 <CmdrCupcake> You can't multithread opengl. 
2015-09-30 22:35 <nebadon> not to mention be very skilled artistically
2015-09-30 22:36 <nebadon> Wright Plaza is a disaster
2015-09-30 22:36 <nebadon> on purpose
2015-09-30 22:36 <Plugh> CmdrCupcake: that sucks.
2015-09-30 22:36 <OtakuMegane> lol
2015-09-30 22:36 <nebadon> over 5000 visible textures
2015-09-30 22:36 <nebadon> its never going to be good at Wright Plaza
2015-09-30 22:36 <nebadon> not ever
2015-09-30 22:36 <CmdrCupcake> Sure you can multithread plenty of bits of it but it still all comes downt o being bound to hwo fast the main thread which contains the opengl context being the blocking factor :p
2015-09-30 22:36 <djphil> Vertices use a lot of Ram too ...
2015-09-30 22:36 <nebadon> the bigger problem
2015-09-30 22:36 <nebadon> is the viewer is bound to 512mb memory max
2015-09-30 22:36 <nebadon> so having a 980GTX with 6gb ram
2015-09-30 22:36 <nebadon> is a waste
2015-09-30 22:36 <CmdrCupcake> artificial limit for 32bit viewers <.<
2015-09-30 22:36 <Plugh> CmdrCupcake: Hope you aren't working on Singularity. Or perhaps I should hope so so that I'd have a better chance of getting that viewer fixed.
2015-09-30 22:36 <nebadon> unless your running 12 viewers siumulatneously
2015-09-30 22:37 <nebadon> allowing for more GPU memory would go a long way
2015-09-30 22:37 <CmdrCupcake> Alchemy has a 2 gig vram limit >.>
2015-09-30 22:37 <OtakuMegane> Well therein is what I'm getting at. The viewer code sucks. The engine sucks. Why would there still be a limit like that.
2015-09-30 22:37 <Ubit> oops this weeks meeting ?
2015-09-30 22:37 <CmdrCupcake> OtakuMegane: Because of 32bit memory addressing limitations lol
2015-09-30 22:37 <nebadon> ive not tried Alchemy is it good?
2015-09-30 22:37 <nebadon> actually its 16 bit
2015-09-30 22:37 <nebadon> 512
2015-09-30 22:37 <djphil> Alchemy have a nice rendering i thing ...
2015-09-30 22:38 <CmdrCupcake> 32bit :p
2015-09-30 22:38 <Plugh> so there shouldn't be a 512Meg limit if you are using a 64-bit version of a viewer.
2015-09-30 22:38 <nebadon> there is currently
2015-09-30 22:38 <nebadon> on all viewers
2015-09-30 22:38 <nebadon> well maybe not Alchemy
2015-09-30 22:38 <nebadon> i dont know
2015-09-30 22:38 <OtakuMegane> LL liek backwards compatibility. Holds things back so they can get moar monies. SL is still the bigger audience for viewer devs so nobody fixes it.
2015-09-30 22:38 <CmdrCupcake> I make Alchemy. So I'm biased :p
2015-09-30 22:38 <nebadon> does that have a Grid Manager?
2015-09-30 22:38 <djphil> congrat  :)
2015-09-30 22:39 <CmdrCupcake> Making a backwards compatible renderer doesn't mean you have to hold things back lol
2015-09-30 22:39 <CmdrCupcake> Keeping compatibility with existing content is what ends up biting you in the ass.
2015-09-30 22:39 <OtakuMegane> It does if you leave in limitations to make sure you don't break on old hardware
2015-09-30 22:39 <Plugh> CmdrCupcake: Here is something for your. Run the viewer under Linux with multiple workspaces. Switch between workspaces when the viewer is running and see how soon it crashes.
2015-09-30 22:39 <CmdrCupcake> Plugh: Technically, SDL1 bug.
2015-09-30 22:39 <CmdrCupcake> lol
2015-09-30 22:39 <CmdrCupcake> The secret SDL2 branch doesn't crash from that but it's not done
2015-09-30 22:40 <Plugh> It is really annoying for me. Sing and FS both crash. I switch workspaces to check something or do something while in world then "poof". Viewer just vanishes.
2015-09-30 22:40 <CmdrCupcake> Which DE?
2015-09-30 22:40 <CmdrCupcake> :o
2015-09-30 22:40 <CmdrCupcake> It's also very DE dependent
2015-09-30 22:40 <LiruCookies> I couldn't get that to reproduce, back when I tried
2015-09-30 22:40 <Plugh> Linux Mint 17.2 64-bit with MATE
2015-09-30 22:41 <CmdrCupcake> Compistor running at all?
2015-09-30 22:41 <Plugh> but it has happened on 32-bit Linux Mint with mate
2015-09-30 22:41 <Plugh> CmdrCupcake: Don't think so. I'm not sure how to check that.
2015-09-30 22:41 <djphil> On my computer, with 4mb ram and ati 512mb i have a lot of crash with Singularity or Firestorm when a visite regions with a lot of objects or meshs
2015-09-30 22:41 <nebadon> I can say i never had that problem in OpenSuSe 64 bit
2015-09-30 22:42 <nebadon> and I did run compositer
2015-09-30 22:42 <Plugh> djphil: Latest Sing has crashed on me as soon as 1.5 minutes after I logged in to a world.
2015-09-30 22:42 <Plugh> It is unusable.
2015-09-30 22:42 <nebadon> with 3D cube desktop
2015-09-30 22:42 <CmdrCupcake> Singu alphas is busted on opensim rightnow lol
2015-09-30 22:42 <CmdrCupcake> and no one has time to fix it
2015-09-30 22:42 <CmdrCupcake> :p
2015-09-30 22:42 <Plugh> yea, I noticed.
2015-09-30 22:42 <Plugh> I haven't gone back to find out what version of Sing alpha is stable
2015-09-30 22:42 <nebadon> i even have video of it
2015-09-30 22:42 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoKVWcs5Gfs
2015-09-30 22:42 <djphil> with Firestorm  Plugh ?
2015-09-30 22:42 <Plugh> djphil: ?
2015-09-30 22:43 <nebadon> kind of older that video though
2015-09-30 22:43 <djphil> 07<Plugh> 02djphil: Latest Sing has crashed on me as soon as 1.5 minutes after I logged in to a world.01
2015-09-30 22:43 <nebadon> but ive done it recently without problems
2015-09-30 22:43 <Plugh> CmdrCupcake: Hm... CompizConfig seems to show that Composite is x'ed so it is enabled. Should I turn that off?
2015-09-30 22:43 <nebadon> i still mostly use Replex myself
2015-09-30 22:43 <LiruCookies> OUCH, your irc client copied colors.
2015-09-30 22:43 <Plugh> djphil: FS is stable.
2015-09-30 22:43 <LiruCookies> my eyes are bleeding
2015-09-30 22:43 <nebadon> lolz
2015-09-30 22:43 <OtakuMegane> Wtf colors do you have your client set to?
2015-09-30 22:44 <nebadon> for me its brown and blue
2015-09-30 22:44 <djphil> The last one have some new problems ...
2015-09-30 22:44 <nebadon> his text, name is brown and text is blue
2015-09-30 22:44 <OtakuMegane> Orange and blue for me
2015-09-30 22:44 <LiruCookies> Yellow and dark blue on a black background for me
2015-09-30 22:44 <OtakuMegane> ...
2015-09-30 22:44 <nebadon> ah my background is always black
2015-09-30 22:44 <OtakuMegane> Pretty sure that's not right lol
2015-09-30 22:44 <LiruCookies> Hm?
2015-09-30 22:44 <nebadon> easier on the eyes at 4am after being away for 3 days straight
2015-09-30 22:44 <OtakuMegane> My background is like very light grey
2015-09-30 22:44 <nebadon> away=awake*
2015-09-30 22:44 <LiruCookies> My standard is white on black
2015-09-30 22:45 <LiruCookies> but those colors made it yellow and dark blue on black
2015-09-30 22:45 <Plugh> CmdrCupcake: Do you know when Sing broke so I can go back to a version before it or should I just go back to the one I used before which is about 6 releases behind current alpha.
2015-09-30 22:45 <LiruCookies> Plugh: Look for Shyotl's last commit in the changes expandy area
2015-09-30 22:45 <Plugh> nebadon: I'm using FS now because it lets me talk in voice chat. Sing doesn't and hasn't for multiple releases. I don't remember when I was last able to use it to talk. 
2015-09-30 22:46 <nebadon> I have Singularity 1.8.6 installed myself
2015-09-30 22:46 <nebadon> 6157
2015-09-30 22:46 <LiruCookies> That's ancient.
2015-09-30 22:46 <Plugh> LiruCookies: ok. I'll have to dig through the list of changes shown for all of them. I'm using the alpha releases. 
2015-09-30 22:46 <OtakuMegane> I'm on 6583
2015-09-30 22:46 <nebadon> ya i avoid bleeding edge viewers
2015-09-30 22:46 <nebadon> cant stands the pain!
2015-09-30 22:46 <nebadon> lol
2015-09-30 22:47 <Plugh> I have 6656 and it sucks right now.
2015-09-30 22:47 <nebadon> i mean i test them
2015-09-30 22:47 <nebadon> but when im working
2015-09-30 22:47 <LiruCookies> On opensim, Singu is gonna suck for a while.
2015-09-30 22:47 <Plugh> Sing wasn't this bad even on alphas until that release. 
2015-09-30 22:47 <nebadon> its old viewers
2015-09-30 22:47 <Plugh> bbl. dinner is ready.
2015-09-30 22:48 <nebadon> i probably have like 25 versions in my ~/bin folder
2015-09-30 22:48 <nebadon> lol
2015-09-30 22:48 <OtakuMegane> 6583 has been fine for me. Just haven't gotten to updating. Usually don't for several months unless there's something really good added lol
2015-09-30 22:48 <nebadon> i rarely delete old good working versions
2015-09-30 22:48 <nebadon> just incase
2015-09-30 22:52 <OtakuMegane> I'm not good about getting rid of old stuff. Still have copies of Meerkat and Hippo lol
2015-09-30 22:55 <CmdrCupcake> 
ACTION just keeps the latest whatever he's working on that week around <.<

2015-09-30 22:59 <LiruCookies> I keep around what I've worked on in the past few months, anything else might get nuked without remorse
2015-09-30 23:00 <CmdrCupcake> Yeah. Old viewers are silly lol
2015-09-30 23:00 <LiruCookies> Oh, but I might have an old copy of Emerald somewhere, just for the memories.
2015-09-30 23:01 <LiruCookies> Probably on an old disk wth XP or something
2015-09-30 23:09 <H-H-H> 6610 seems to work ok on opensim :)
2015-09-30 23:22 <Ubit> 6610 ?
2015-09-30 23:25 <H-H-H> http://alpha.singularityviewer.org/alpha/?build_id=6610
2015-09-30 23:25 <Ubit> ahh ok
2015-09-30 23:25 <Ubit> i prefer testing with releases
2015-09-30 23:26 <H-H-H> i like trying to build and that one seems to work ok 
2015-09-30 23:27 <Ubit> well someone as to test the alphas and give feedback :)
2015-09-30 23:27 <H-H-H> my feedback is almost useless though as i run on a self built custom linux os
2015-09-30 23:28 <Plugh> Meerkat and Hippo viewers? I got rid of both of those a long time ago.
2015-09-30 23:28 <Ubit> i have imp
2015-09-30 23:29 <Melanie_T> hehee "Compare the Meerkat" ;)
2015-09-30 23:29 <H-H-H> i have Hippo :)
2015-09-30 23:29 <Ubit> and it does work.. well not on vars :)
2015-09-30 23:29 <Melanie_T> those in the UK will know what it is
2015-09-30 23:29 <H-H-H> simples Melanie_T
2015-09-30 23:29 <Ubit> it does show the maps in HG
2015-09-30 23:29 <Plugh> 6583 was the one I had been using until I updated to latest Alpha
2015-09-30 23:30 <H-H-H> i should try building Alchemy
2015-09-30 23:30 <LiruCookies> Or just use a pre-existing build and save time.
2015-09-30 23:31 <Plugh> Does turning off Composite feature under Linux make viewers less likely to crash when switching workspaces?
2015-09-30 23:31 <H-H-H> wheres the fun in that?
2015-09-30 23:31 <LiruCookies> Plugh: It oculd
2015-09-30 23:31 <LiruCookies> could
2015-09-30 23:32 <Plugh> Turn off composite and it turns off a bunch of other things including OpenGL
2015-09-30 23:32 <LiruCookies> No?
2015-09-30 23:33 <Plugh> yup. Now OpenGL is no longer x'ed.
2015-09-30 23:35 <Plugh> OpenGL requires Composite.
2015-09-30 23:36 <Plugh> bah. Pop up tooltips don't say anything more than the icon. "Copy to texture" has pop up of "Copy pixmap content to texture".
2015-09-30 23:36 <Plugh> Still means nothing to me.
2015-10-01 00:19 <nebadon> Plugh I know in opensim it lets me choose between OpenGL 2.0 and 3.1 for the compositor
2015-10-01 00:19 <nebadon> by default its on 2.0
2015-10-01 00:19 <nebadon> err in OpenSuse* not opensim
2015-10-01 00:20 <CmdrCupcake> thats just the backend it uses for the compositing lol
2015-10-01 00:20 <nebadon> yes
2015-10-01 00:20 <CmdrCupcake> that has no effect on system opengl
2015-10-01 00:20 <nebadon> right but why would having it on have any effect then?
2015-10-01 00:21 <nebadon> im just wondering if would be better to hvae it in 2.0 since the viewer is 2.0
2015-10-01 00:21 <nebadon> I never have a problem myself
2015-10-01 00:21 <nebadon> maybe that is just a result of slightly older viewers too though
2015-10-01 00:22 <Plugh> The viewer crash when switching workspaces has existed for quite a long time. It is just hard to give a set of steps to reproduce the problem. It just happens.
2015-10-01 00:23 <nebadon> yea
2015-10-01 00:23 <nebadon> the only time in linux i have the viewer freeze is when i log out
2015-10-01 00:23 <Plugh> I can switch workspaces multiple times and I'm fine. Eventually I do it one too many times and boom.
2015-10-01 00:23 <nebadon> a lot of times i have to kill the process
2015-10-01 00:23 <Plugh> Sometimes it only takes a few switches.
2015-10-01 00:23 <nebadon> or it just hangs at logging out eternally
2015-10-01 00:23 <Plugh> yea, I sometimes see it sort of freeze during log out. It takes a while but it doesn't eventually complete the logout process and exit.
2015-10-01 00:24 <Plugh> That's a different issue.
2015-10-01 00:24 <nebadon> for me sometimes the linux viewer is far more stable
2015-10-01 00:24 <Plugh> I think that is one of 3 issues I have with Singularity. I haven't used FS enough to know if it hangs up for a while on log out. It hasn't yet, AFAICR
2015-10-01 00:24 <nebadon> i suspect becuase it does 64 bit better than windows does
2015-10-01 00:24 <CmdrCupcake> For the last time the viewer isn't opengl 2.0 @.@
2015-10-01 00:25 <nebadon> oh? well ya true, but there are a lot of things stuck at 2.0 still right?
2015-10-01 00:25 <CmdrCupcake> It's opengl 3.3/3.1/2.1/2.0/1.4
2015-10-01 00:25 <nebadon> haha
2015-10-01 00:25 <nebadon> that makes me feel better 
2015-10-01 00:25 <nebadon> ;p;
2015-10-01 00:25 <CmdrCupcake> There's a mountain of fallback paths for different environments
2015-10-01 00:25 <nebadon> lol
2015-10-01 00:25 <CmdrCupcake> :p
2015-10-01 00:25 <Plugh> I wasn't saying it is and I have no idea what version of OpenGL support I have here.
2015-10-01 00:25 <CmdrCupcake> Like any other opengl application.
2015-10-01 00:26 <linkedinyou> CmdrCupcake: agree it is opengles 1.x and 2.x but not more
2015-10-01 00:26 <Plugh> My nvidia driver mentions opencl.
2015-10-01 00:26 <CmdrCupcake> wat.
2015-10-01 00:26 <CmdrCupcake> viewer isnot opengles
2015-10-01 00:26 <CmdrCupcake> :p
2015-10-01 00:26 <CmdrCupcake> It's OpenGL
2015-10-01 00:26 <CmdrCupcake> Not OpenGL ES
2015-10-01 00:26 <linkedinyou> my viewer is lol
2015-10-01 00:26 <CmdrCupcake> Two different and related things lol
2015-10-01 00:27 <linkedinyou> my android viewer opengles
2015-10-01 00:27 <nebadon> ya ES is more Mobile really
2015-10-01 00:27 <nebadon> right?
2015-10-01 00:27 <linkedinyou> but the Spatial tree killing me with rendering engine 
2015-10-01 00:27 <Plugh> hehe... I have some slide rules that are ES editions which meant "eye saver". :)
2015-10-01 00:27 <linkedinyou> nebadon: yes right
2015-10-01 00:49 <OtakuMegane> Has anyone ever figured out why the IRCBridge doesn't work right? Or in my attempts so far, doesn't do anything at all despite what it says.
2015-10-01 00:53 <nebadon> I remember trying it while ago I couldnt make it work either
2015-10-01 00:53 <nebadon> but I didnt try all that hard, someone else was asking same thing, and i gave it a go and had same results they did
2015-10-01 00:53 <OtakuMegane> It seems to function ok and says it connects to the network but there's no sign it actually connected at all. Then it just keeps timing out on joining a channel
2015-10-01 00:54 <nebadon> yea no doubt those protocols change
2015-10-01 00:54 <nebadon> as flaws get fix
2015-10-01 00:54 <nebadon> security enhances
2015-10-01 00:54 <nebadon> especially with bots and non standard clients
2015-10-01 00:54 <nebadon> freenode is pretty picky
2015-10-01 00:54 <nebadon> you have to register bots etc..
2015-10-01 00:55 <OtakuMegane> I tried several networks and attempted to lookup/contact the nick each time but it never existed.
2015-10-01 00:56 <OtakuMegane> I don't know enough C# or stuff to figure out fixing it either. -_-
2015-10-01 00:57 <nebadon> yea would need to have it send more useful logging info to the console
2015-10-01 00:57 <nebadon> i recall it not being helpful at all
2015-10-01 00:57 <nebadon> it basically just did nothing
2015-10-01 00:58 <nebadon> figure out what the actual failure message is
2015-10-01 00:58 <OtakuMegane> Worse, in a way. It says its doing a bunch of stuff but doesn't seem to actually do anything lol
2015-10-01 00:58 <nebadon> yea
2015-10-01 00:58 <OtakuMegane> I'll probably poke at it more sometime just cause I want some kind of IRC bridge
2015-10-01 01:00 <nebadon> i see AllenKerensky has this http://allenkerensky.com/ircbridgemodule
2015-10-01 01:00 <nebadon> maybe check with him when he is around
2015-10-01 01:00 <OtakuMegane> Mmm, might be useful
2015-10-01 01:11 <Plugh> I've known people that used the IRC bridge. I've never tried it.
2015-10-01 02:22 <H-H-H> last time i tried it it wouldnt connect to cwertain irc networks however it seemed to connect ok to any that were running unreal irc
2015-10-01 02:23 <H-H-H> had some wierdness with modes to
2015-10-01 02:23 <H-H-H> was a while ago tho
2015-10-01 05:34 <Jsync> Hello. I am still having trouble with wifi. I am trying to enable regions & active users. nebadon suggested changing the .dll references within the ROBUST to the Diva.Data.MySQL.dll file references, though now the region itself won't correctly register with the grid & it suggests an address for connecting as http://rhetorical_address.com:8003/grid & I have not seen that error before. :/
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2015-10-01 20:07 <Xectye> Anybody here good with UI code?
2015-10-01 20:08 <Xectye> I have a most excellent idea to make OS-derived grid viewers far easier to use, but my talents stop at producing the actual UI icons, as C variants are rather over my head.
2015-10-01 21:26 <lkalif> Xectye: there in no lack of ideas for how viewers should be improved
2015-10-01 21:26 <Xectye> is, you mean?
2015-10-01 21:26 <lkalif> there is a severe lack of competent viéwer developers
2015-10-01 21:27 <lkalif> yes - is*
2015-10-01 21:27 <Xectye> gotcha.
2015-10-01 21:27 <Xectye> although if anybody ever wants to put together a coherent UI, I've got it. Managed to reduced the complexity by about three orders of magnitude...
2015-10-01 21:29 <lkalif> get learning c++ ;)
2015-10-01 21:31 <Xectye> Dammit Jim, I'm a designer not a programmer! xD
2015-10-01 21:32 <Xectye> but seriously between php (e.g., entirely intuitive) and assembly code (e. g., ompletely oblique to outsiders), how hard is c++ to learn?
2015-10-01 21:32 <Xectye> *completely
2015-10-01 21:32 <lkalif> viewer development is pretty hard
2015-10-01 21:34 <Xectye> hmm.
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2015-10-02 17:22 <Rodger_> does anyone know why this peice of code does not work? returns false on boolen http://pastebin.com/QsV93Cnf
2015-10-02 17:22 <Rodger_> it should be simple 
2015-10-02 17:24 <w-t-h> try asking in #opensim for user support questions
2015-10-02 17:25 <nebadon> actually that is suitable here Rodger and w-t-h
2015-10-02 17:26 <nebadon> you are writing a region module?
2015-10-02 17:26 <nebadon> I dont have an answer for you but just wanted to say that your question is appropriate for this channel
2015-10-02 17:26 <nebadon> just hang around a bit maybe someone can help
2015-10-02 17:31 <Ubit> seens yr sending a im to lbsa
2015-10-02 17:33 <Melanie_T> Rodger_: don't try to use the connector directly
2015-10-02 17:33 <Melanie_T> you need to access the message transfer module
2015-10-02 17:34 <Melanie_T> look at the implementation of llInstantMessge in LSL_Api.cs for how it's done
2015-10-02 17:34 <Rodger_> yes nebadon im makeing a rp mod but i want it to communicate cross grid
2015-10-02 17:35 <Rodger_> can the message transfer module seend directly thru hg?
2015-10-02 17:35 <Melanie_T> it's the starting point of all message transfer
2015-10-02 17:35 <Rodger_> ok
2015-10-02 17:35 <Rodger_> lsl api does not do hg does it?
2015-10-02 17:35 <Rodger_> llinstantmessage*
2015-10-02 17:36 <Melanie_T> llInstantMessage sends a message to whatever UUID you give it
2015-10-02 17:36 <Melanie_T> by whatever path needed afaik
2015-10-02 17:36 <Melanie_T> no user callable function takes any kind of URL
2015-10-02 17:36 <Melanie_T> that is all under the hood
2015-10-02 17:37 <Melanie_T> if the function needs a server URL it means you're not supposed to call it from user code
2015-10-02 17:40 <Ubit> hmm this msgs don't preseve commits order
2015-10-02 17:41 <Rodger_> ok
2015-10-02 17:42 <Ubit> the last one referes to the sync SetPos :)
2015-10-02 17:43 <Melanie_T> Ubit: llSetContentType - you will need to check a lot of stuff
2015-10-02 17:43 <Ubit> i looked a bit to sl..
2015-10-02 17:43 <Melanie_T> avination does NOT use the checks master does, e.g. IP address, etc
2015-10-02 17:43 <Melanie_T> but instead uses the openid cookie, like SL
2015-10-02 17:43 <Ubit> i did remove the ip check
2015-10-02 17:43 <Melanie_T> without the IP check, the master code will allow showing html to anyone using the internal broser
2015-10-02 17:44 <Melanie_T> but only the prim owner may get HTML
2015-10-02 17:44 <Ubit> it checks if owner
2015-10-02 17:44 <Melanie_T> others are not supposed to get html at all
2015-10-02 17:44 <Melanie_T> it's an anti-phishing measure
2015-10-02 17:44 <Ubit> well ip check alone doesn't work
2015-10-02 17:45 <Melanie_T> what avination has worked at one point
2015-10-02 17:45 <Melanie_T> but it may have gotten broken in the website rebuild
2015-10-02 17:45 <Ubit> well i did left avn code there nearby ;)
2015-10-02 17:45 <Melanie_T> the point is that it is possible so set an openid-cookie
2015-10-02 17:45 <Melanie_T> in he login response
2015-10-02 17:45 <Ubit> master checks for owner and internal viewer
2015-10-02 17:45 <Ubit> or tries...
2015-10-02 17:45 <Melanie_T> and the internal browser will deliver it in a cookie
2015-10-02 17:46 <Melanie_T> it is the only secure method to allow or disallow html
2015-10-02 17:46 <Ubit> but u think its best to use the avn code ?
2015-10-02 17:46 <Melanie_T> master's is second best
2015-10-02 17:46 <Melanie_T> no. but the ip check needs to go back in
2015-10-02 17:46 <Melanie_T> else everyone can see html as log as they use the internal browser
2015-10-02 17:46 <Melanie_T> which is a phishing risk
2015-10-02 17:46 <Melanie_T> and also against the spec
2015-10-02 17:47 <Melanie_T> the avn code doesn't work properly without the avn infrastructure
2015-10-02 17:47 <Ubit> that ip check is useless ips don't mean person
2015-10-02 17:47 <Melanie_T> so it's unsuitable for master
2015-10-02 17:47 <Melanie_T> Ubit: it is more security than not having it
2015-10-02 17:48 <Melanie_T> without that check, everyone who looks at the url will see html if the owner is in the sim
2015-10-02 17:48 <Ubit> why isnt owner check enought?
2015-10-02 17:48 <Melanie_T> you can't owner-check the browser's access
2015-10-02 17:48 <Melanie_T> you check that the owner is in the sim
2015-10-02 17:49 <Melanie_T> but not that it's the owner's browser accessing
2015-10-02 17:49 <Melanie_T> but while the owner is in the sim, IP DOES equal person
2015-10-02 17:49 <Melanie_T> because they're logged in from there
2015-10-02 17:49 <Ubit> nopes it does not :p
2015-10-02 17:49 <Melanie_T> at that time
2015-10-02 17:50 <Ubit> on ill review it
2015-10-02 17:50 <Ubit> ok..
2015-10-02 20:30 <Rodger_> melanie i was looking at kitelty they can send stuff to users cross grid with only needing to know the uuid and remote server url why cant i?
2015-10-02 20:30 <Rodger_> https://kitely.atlassian.net/wiki/display/doc/How+To+Enable+Kitely+Market+in+Non-Hypergrid+Grids
2015-10-02 21:26 <Ubit> mb bc you where not using the right api
2015-10-02 22:00 <Melanie_T> Rodger_: Kitely uses special code that is not found in opensim to send actual items
2015-10-02 22:01 <Melanie_T> Rodger_: While you could duplicate the functionality, I fail to see the need unless you want to start a competing marketplace
2015-10-02 22:01 <Melanie_T> Rodger_: The messageTransferModule is for transferring the text and flags it will not transfer items, neither locally nor across the HG
2015-10-02 22:02 <Rodger_> no i was using that as a point to show that they can send data in this case im
2015-10-02 22:03 <Melanie_T> the essage transfer module sends im
2015-10-02 22:03 <Melanie_T> HG or local afai
2015-10-02 22:03 <Rodger_> i tried it failed
2015-10-02 22:03 <Melanie_T> the address is taken from the GridUser record
2015-10-02 22:03 <Rodger_> responce is allways false
2015-10-02 22:03 <Melanie_T> the user must have been to your grid once for that to work
2015-10-02 22:04 <Rodger_> hmm i have to check out that database
2015-10-02 22:04 <Melanie_T> GridUser contains records for both your local users and your hg visitors
2015-10-02 22:04 <Melanie_T> in the case of visitors, it has the home grid info
2015-10-02 22:04 <Melanie_T> that lets the system convey messages to the home grid
2015-10-02 22:05 <Melanie_T> you never should need to explicitly specify a grid's gatekeeper URI just to send a message
2015-10-02 22:05 <Melanie_T> but, remember, the return will be false if the user is not online in the other grid
2015-10-02 22:08 <Rodger_> sothis is not what i nee then InstantMessageServiceConnector.SendInstantMessage(serverURI, im);
2015-10-02 22:11 <Rodger_> griduser does not show any information for my avatar i hg in with
2015-10-02 22:12 <Melanie_T> maybe your setup is incomplete
2015-10-02 22:12 <Melanie_T> i'm no authority on hypergrid
2015-10-02 22:15 <Rodger_> ok i found it but user id looks odd
2015-10-02 22:15 <Rodger_> uuid;http://hg.osgrid.org:80/;rodger roy
2015-10-02 22:21 <Melanie_T> that should be ok
2015-10-02 22:21 <Melanie_T> these fields don't make much sense to humans in hg scenarios
2015-10-03 00:14 <Rodger_> any way to see if xbakes is working?
2015-10-03 00:34 <Plugh> You don't get error messages about it? ;)
2015-10-03 00:34 <Ubit> ohh no errors ?? that means its dead :p
2015-10-03 00:34 <Plugh> You could check if it starts populating the directory you told it to use.
2015-10-03 00:35 <Plugh> Ubit: :)
2015-10-03 00:35 <Plugh> ooh... another update for virtualbox. 
2015-10-03 00:37 <Plugh> Found a repo that had more recent versions of vbox. It gave me an update from 5.0.2 to 5.0.4 that seems to have fixed an issue I was having with a 3D modelling program. Now 5.0.6 is being installed.
2015-10-03 00:38 <Plugh> Hope it doesn't rebreak screen updates to how they were under 5.0.2
2015-10-03 00:38 <Ubit> :)
2015-10-03 00:41 <Plugh> hehe... still kind of odd hearing the Windows start up tune when still running Linux.
2015-10-03 00:42 <Plugh> ok, screen update is working properly. I select something in one view and it doesn't reflect the selection in another view of my object
2015-10-03 00:42 <Plugh> um... s/it doesn't/it does/
2015-10-03 00:42 <Ubit> ahh
2015-10-03 00:42 <Ubit> :)
2015-10-03 00:43 <Plugh> it didn't do that properly under vbox 5.0.2
2015-10-03 00:43 <Ubit> why im i trying to compile fs? uff
2015-10-03 00:44 <Plugh> No idea. Why are you trying to compile it?
2015-10-03 00:44 <Ubit> wanted to debug a thing..
2015-10-03 00:44 <Ubit> but  yeackkk
2015-10-03 00:44 <Plugh> That's how it starts.
2015-10-03 00:45 <Plugh> I need to build Kicad to debug a crash I had. Couldn't replicate the bug after I had built the program.
2015-10-03 01:25 <Plugh> Nuts. Monodevelop won't build OpenSIm if there are any additional modules located in addon-modules.
2015-10-03 01:25 <Ubit> nice
2015-10-03 01:26 <Ubit> mb a prob with one of the prebuilds there ?
2015-10-03 01:27 <Plugh> no idea. It builds just fine with nant or xbuild.
2015-10-03 01:29 <Plugh> If I can't make sense of the code I figured I'd build it under MD and step through it to find the bug. Can't do that if I can't get it to compile.
2015-10-03 01:29 <Ubit> if u compile with nant possible it will not try to compile those
2015-10-03 01:30 <Ubit> ok unless you do want to compile one there :)
2015-10-03 01:30 <Ubit> hmmm and mb u can tell MD don't compile use nant :)
2015-10-03 01:31 <Plugh> I don't know how to run regression tests from MD so I'll have to try getting MD to run OpenSim.exe and I can put breakpoints in when it tries to read the ini so I can look for the bug.
2015-10-03 01:31 <Plugh> I don't know what its trying to use to build.
2015-10-03 01:33 <Plugh> hm... telling MD to build using xbuild is considered experimental.
2015-10-03 01:35 <Plugh> Build failed.
2015-10-03 01:36 <Ubit> my build running
2015-10-03 01:36 <Ubit> hmmm i mean walking..
2015-10-03 01:37 <Plugh> I think I should give up and stop wasting my time on trying to fix the bug and just mantis it and hope someone else will fix it.
2015-10-03 01:37 <Ubit> :p
2015-10-03 01:37 <Ubit> u need those modules to test ?
2015-10-03 01:38 <Plugh> No. I'm just trying to fix the ini reader used by OpenSim.
2015-10-03 01:38 <Plugh> I moved the modules out of the way for now.
2015-10-03 01:38 <Ubit> so take them out   yeap
2015-10-03 01:38 <Ubit> and still failed ?
2015-10-03 01:39 <Plugh> yup. still failed.
2015-10-03 01:39 <Ubit> mister :)
2015-10-03 01:40 <Ubit> damm ive my machine  stuck with the compile to pull the code
2015-10-03 01:40 <misterblue> does region crossing use SetVehicle?
2015-10-03 01:40 <Ubit> yeap
2015-10-03 01:40 <Ubit> mplement an overridable implementation of   ?? it wasn't already that ?
2015-10-03 01:41 <Plugh> its probably a trivial bug to fix once i can figure out how it is handling duplicate sections in the same file vs. duplicate sections across different files.
2015-10-03 01:41 <misterblue> if the physice engine didn't override it, the operation was a nop
2015-10-03 01:41 <misterblue> I didn't like that it just silently did nothing if not overridden
2015-10-03 01:41 <Ubit> well as suposed if engine didn't suport it
2015-10-03 01:41 <Ubit> or vehicles 
2015-10-03 01:41 <misterblue> now, if the engine doesn't override it, vehicles will still cross
2015-10-03 01:42 <Ubit> ok
2015-10-03 01:42 <Ubit> ========== Build: 37 succeeded, 0 failed, 0 up-to-date, 2 skipped ========== xiii
2015-10-03 01:42 <Ubit> now... does it.. run ?
2015-10-03 01:43 <Ubit> i love vs telling  ready  and still doing things..
2015-10-03 01:45 <Ubit> doesnt run and vx crashed lol
2015-10-03 01:45 <Ubit> vs
2015-10-03 01:50 <Ubit> bullet doesn't have raycast?
2015-10-03 02:16 <Plugh> Has anyone other than me tried building OS using MonoDevelop recently?
2015-10-03 02:17 <Plugh> bah, I think its the dang addon modules again.
2015-10-03 02:31 <Plugh> ok, I give up. I'm just going to mantis this bug. Its too bad. It might be a simple fix but I can't find where the code is dealing with the section/key/values to see what might need to be changed.
2015-10-03 02:33 <Ubit> uff i can't mk the damm fs work
2015-10-03 02:33 <Plugh> I'm going afk. bbl (maybe).
2015-10-03 02:33 <Ubit> have fun
2015-10-03 02:59 <Ubit> it runnnnsss
2015-10-03 03:01 <Ubit> err well almost runs
2015-10-03 03:09 <Ubit> buaaaa
2015-10-03 03:09 <Ubit> this version doesnt have the problem i was looking for 
2015-10-03 03:09 <Ubit> lol
2015-10-03 06:09 <nebadon> http://www.engadget.com/2015/10/02/microsoft-buys-havok-physics/
2015-10-03 06:10 <nebadon> looks like microsoft has officially wiggled its way into SL :)
2015-10-03 06:30 <Ubit> nice now i can't compile 32bit fs lol
2015-10-03 06:30 <Ubit> why did ms removed directories from the vs options ?
2015-10-03 06:30 <Ubit> no ideia how to tell vs2015 where kernel32.lib is now :)
2015-10-03 15:37 <Plugh> If you have one variable of type IConfig and another of type IniConfig how do you reference them so they can be seen to be of the same type?
2015-10-03 23:52 <osmantis> Bug #7695:04 is there a way to avoid the 22ms delay before http_request event is fired? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7695 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-10-04 13:07 <Jsync> Does someone have a link for a good tutorial on a basic Apache Server setup? I have created my page.html files for my basic grid & I now want to host a few pages to introduce the grid to people. Any suggestions? (btw, I use Linux)
2015-10-04 13:08 <Jsync> I am not yet incorporating .cgi files or anything similar. They're just basic page.html documents. :)
2015-10-04 13:12 <H-H-H> google (yourdistro web server)
2015-10-04 13:14 <Jsync> See H-H-H, I'm really busy & I don't want to spend all day reading. I was up nearly all night creating webpages & I'm aware that Apache is already installed in Ubuntu & Debian, so I thought someone else might be aware of a basic tutorial for setting up a page because everybody & his dog hosts a tutorial somewhere & I've already read 3 bad tutorials. ;)
2015-10-04 13:14 <H-H-H> you could have done it in the time it took you to write that
2015-10-04 13:26 <Jsync> Here's an example of a bad tutorial
2015-10-04 13:26 <Jsync> https://www.maketecheasier.com/install-and-configure-apache-in-ubuntu/
2015-10-04 13:27 <Jsync> It's a simple proceedure to post some pages & publish them. I'm not sure why people post this crap. If his tutorial worked, then it's outdated.
2015-10-04 13:28 <Jsync> The problem with that page is the sited /etc/apache2/sites-available/default file does not exist, nor is the configuration the same since that tutorial was written.
2015-10-04 14:01 <Jsync> Alright, I found a tutorial that wasn't terrible, though it was still false in its' directions to restart apache & a couple of other things that I had improvise from info on separate pages I read. That's ridiculously harder than it needs to be!
2015-10-04 14:06 <Jsync> I am looking for lessons on "How to be a Grid Guru", if anybody wants to help me with StarWarsGrid.com. :)
2015-10-04 14:14 <Melanie_T> Jsync: first off, you dont really want to build it by hand
2015-10-04 14:15 <Melanie_T> if you do it by hand, you will maintain it by hand and as it grows, it becomes very, very cumbersome
2015-10-04 14:15 <Melanie_T> i'm the owner of Avination (www.avination.com) and I built the site. three times now
2015-10-04 14:15 <Jsync> Melanie_T, what do you mean "Build it by hand"?
2015-10-04 14:16 <Melanie_T> the first one was built by hand, e.g. as html pages
2015-10-04 14:16 <Melanie_T> it was unmaintainable
2015-10-04 14:16 <Jsync> ok
2015-10-04 14:16 <Jsync> What was your second attempt?
2015-10-04 14:17 <Melanie_T> the second and third iterations were built using typo3 (www.typo3.com)
2015-10-04 14:17 <Melanie_T> the difference between second and thrid iteration was that the code got a cleanup and the site got a facelift
2015-10-04 14:18 <Jsync> Does that handle your user login & all of that stuff?
2015-10-04 14:18 <Melanie_T> no. I wrote specific code for all that
2015-10-04 14:18 <Jsync> I was actually thinking to alter the Wifi module that Diva wrote for that stuff
2015-10-04 14:18 <Melanie_T> it does provide a framework in which it is easier to extend and change things
2015-10-04 14:19 <Melanie_T> wifi dies what it does
2015-10-04 14:19 <Melanie_T> does*
2015-10-04 14:19 <Melanie_T> but it's very specific and not easily extensible
2015-10-04 14:19 <Melanie_T> diva told me she would fix the extensibility problem
2015-10-04 14:19 <Melanie_T> but she's in Europe at the time
2015-10-04 14:19 <Jsync> I specifically wanted to rewrite Wifi because I think others will do similarly instead of writing something from scratch & I thought to make a tutorial for people to alter & customize wifi specifically
2015-10-04 14:20 <Melanie_T> most did not and will not rewrite / extend wifi because that means c# coding for every single page
2015-10-04 14:20 <Melanie_T> all commercial grids either use wifi as is and make do, or use a custom solution
2015-10-04 14:20 <Jsync> Are you talking about "main-menu.html", adding to that?
2015-10-04 14:21 <Melanie_T> the issue with extending wifi is that your extension pages are just plain html
2015-10-04 14:21 <Melanie_T> you cant extend wifi with things wifi can't already do without writing c# code
2015-10-04 14:22 <Jsync> There are all sorts of pages that people will want to add, like a "Map" page, etc. I think that's something worth working on. Wifi came recommended of nebadon, & looking into community history, Diva does quite a lot & the community deserves more flexibility with the module I thought.
2015-10-04 14:22 <nebadon> the pages in wifi are not C#
2015-10-04 14:22 <nebadon> they are html
2015-10-04 14:22 <Melanie_T> nebadon: it takes c# code to exend functionality
2015-10-04 14:22 <nebadon> it uses css as well
2015-10-04 14:22 <nebadon> ah ya 
2015-10-04 14:23 <Melanie_T> which is what Jsync needs
2015-10-04 14:23 <Melanie_T> he doesn't need wifi plus a bit of text
2015-10-04 14:23 <Jsync> I think Melanie_T is talking about the database stuff, regardless that it's not actually C# code
2015-10-04 14:23 <Melanie_T> he wants to build a grid. so he needs things like a "my account" section, etc
2015-10-04 14:23 <Melanie_T> Jsync: the "database stuff" in wifi IS c#
2015-10-04 14:24 <Jsync> aha. See, I thought that was a possibility, though was trying to distract against the discrepancy in the convo. :)
2015-10-04 14:24 <Jsync> & I'm aware that C# & C++ can be used to implement various features
2015-10-04 14:25 <Melanie_T> The weapon of choice for web stuff these days is php
2015-10-04 14:25 <Jsync> I like Wifi because it's specifically OpenSource
2015-10-04 14:25 <Melanie_T> although ruby on rails is also popular
2015-10-04 14:25 <nebadon> uhg
2015-10-04 14:25 <Jsync> right, php is great. I'm moderately read on some of that
2015-10-04 14:25 <nebadon> ror is terrible choice
2015-10-04 14:26 <Melanie_T> nebadon: i know you have some experience with it ;)
2015-10-04 14:26 <Melanie_T> but a lot of major websites run on it
2015-10-04 14:26 <Melanie_T> heaven knows why
2015-10-04 14:26 <Jsync> nebadon, I've been trying to reach you. I could not get the Diva.Data.MySQL.dll to work. :( My region could not then connect to the grid.
2015-10-04 14:27 <nebadon> yea like i said you may not have to do the region\
2015-10-04 14:27 <nebadon> probably just robust only
2015-10-04 14:27 <nebadon> let me check our configs
2015-10-04 14:27 <Jsync> right, that's what I did. I referenced the Diva.dll files within the Robust.HG.ini
2015-10-04 14:27 <nebadon> been a while since i did it from scratch
2015-10-04 14:28 <Jsync> yah
2015-10-04 14:28 <nebadon> did you comment out the other core dll?
2015-10-04 14:28 <nebadon> you cant have both
2015-10-04 14:28 <Melanie_T> there is no "diva" anything on the region
2015-10-04 14:28 <Melanie_T> it's purely for robust use
2015-10-04 14:28 <nebadon> well in standalone there is
2015-10-04 14:29 <nebadon> i wasnt sure about grid mode
2015-10-04 14:29 <Jsync> right. So I just need the MySQL stuff that's mentioned in the Wifi section that I add to the Robust.HG.ini, right?
2015-10-04 14:29 <Melanie_T> diva.data.mysql.dll is not a replacement for opensim.data.mysql.dll
2015-10-04 14:29 <nebadon> yea
2015-10-04 14:29 <nebadon> its needed to display certain data on the web portal
2015-10-04 14:29 <nebadon> about regions and users
2015-10-04 14:29 <Jsync> I tried that as well. I had the grid using both
2015-10-04 14:30 <nebadon> i would need to see your configs i guess
2015-10-04 14:30 <nebadon> for robust
2015-10-04 14:30 <Jsync> The various things I did, I could not get the region server to connect to the grid. It tried to access the grid at url:8003 & said it could not
2015-10-04 14:30 <nebadon> 8003 would be wrong
2015-10-04 14:31 <Jsync> That's what I thought as well
2015-10-04 14:31 <nebadon> you mean in viewer?
2015-10-04 14:31 <Jsync> the region console actually
2015-10-04 14:31 <nebadon> or just in say a web browser or something you mean?
2015-10-04 14:31 <nebadon> i would need to see the exact messages you are seeing
2015-10-04 14:31 <Jsync> actually, the region could not even start the server
2015-10-04 14:31 <Melanie_T> nebadon: not everyone is osgrid
2015-10-04 14:31 <Jsync> sec, I'll do this test again
2015-10-04 14:31 <Melanie_T> the default is to have a public and a private port
2015-10-04 14:32 <Melanie_T> 8002 and 8003
2015-10-04 14:32 <Melanie_T> and 8003 is where regions connect in a default setup
2015-10-04 14:32 <nebadon> ya i thought he meant he tried 8003 in the viewer
2015-10-04 14:32 <Melanie_T> for osg, it's all 8002 I believe
2015-10-04 14:32 <nebadon> no
2015-10-04 14:32 <nebadon> osg all is port 80
2015-10-04 14:32 <Melanie_T> k
2015-10-04 14:32 <nebadon> we use subdomains and names and route with nginx
2015-10-04 14:33 <nebadon> like assets.osgrid.org etc..
2015-10-04 14:33 <Jsync> The ROBUST itself shows error with loading plugin OpenSim.Server.Handlers.Base.IserviceConnector
2015-10-04 14:33 <nebadon> pastebin the exact error
2015-10-04 14:33 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com
2015-10-04 14:33 <Jsync> separate machines actually
2015-10-04 14:33 <Jsync> :/
2015-10-04 14:34 <nebadon> cant copy paste?
2015-10-04 14:34 <Jsync> sec, let me do some basic tests & give you the skinny
2015-10-04 14:34 <nebadon> no ssh terminal or anything?
2015-10-04 14:34 <Jsync> one's not connected to the net
2015-10-04 14:34 <Jsync> :D
2015-10-04 14:34 <Jsync> sec
2015-10-04 14:34 <Melanie_T> Jsync: Just FYI: practically all major grids run on Linux. on Windows, YMMV
2015-10-04 14:35 <nebadon> well you should get well beyond this point on windows
2015-10-04 14:35 <nebadon> that is for sure :)
2015-10-04 14:36 <nebadon> honestly though
2015-10-04 14:36 <nebadon> if you really want to embed new stuff in windows
2015-10-04 14:36 <nebadon> use frams or div
2015-10-04 14:36 <danbanner> so the region simulator on the internet cant properly access the robust server thats not connected to the internet?
2015-10-04 14:36 <nebadon> and run stuff on an apache server
2015-10-04 14:36 <Jsync> oh, right priori the error, it suggests Loading GridServiceConnector on port 8003
2015-10-04 14:36 <nebadon> you dont necessarily have to incorporate new things directly into wifi/opensim to expand the wifi web portal
2015-10-04 14:36 <Jsync> is that wrong? That seems connected to the major problem
2015-10-04 14:37 <Melanie_T> nebadon: wifi currentl doesn't have an auth proxy
2015-10-04 14:37 <Melanie_T> so that s not possible
2015-10-04 14:37 <Melanie_T> all you can add, regardless of hwether it's apache or adding pages to wifi
2015-10-04 14:37 <Melanie_T> is static pages
2015-10-04 14:37 <nebadon> without seeing your configs jsync and the exact error message id only be guessing Jsync
2015-10-04 14:38 <Melanie_T> nothing that depends in any way on the credentials of the user
2015-10-04 14:38 <Melanie_T> i have spoken to diva and that auth feature will be added
2015-10-04 14:38 <nebadon> yea
2015-10-04 14:38 <Melanie_T> but not until she's back i guess
2015-10-04 14:38 <nebadon> there is a lot we plan to add
2015-10-04 14:39 <Jsync> SERVER UTILS show error loading plugin OpenSim.SErver.Handlers.dll
2015-10-04 14:39 <nebadon> has robust ever started cleanly?
2015-10-04 14:39 <Jsync> Yeah, priori the Wifi install, it worked fine
2015-10-04 14:40 <nebadon> my guess is something isnt configured correctly
2015-10-04 14:40 <nebadon> without seeing your config its impossible to tell
2015-10-04 14:40 <Jsync> All I did was install the Wifi config section to the robust & merged the files per instructions
2015-10-04 14:40 <nebadon> possible you didnt install wifi correctly too
2015-10-04 14:40 <nebadon> hmm
2015-10-04 14:40 <Jsync> right, let me put those into a folder & get them to this machine
2015-10-04 14:41 <nebadon> your server is windows or linux?
2015-10-04 14:41 <Melanie_T> i found the wifi install via mautil to be painless
2015-10-04 14:41 <nebadon> i havent setup wifi in ages
2015-10-04 14:41 <nebadon> infact I have never set it up using the new module load method
2015-10-04 14:42 <nebadon> something i need to do soon for OSCC grid
2015-10-04 14:44 <Jsync> http://pastebin.com/RyB9bkZD
2015-10-04 14:44 <Jsync> Sorry, I missed the question, though I just run Linux
2015-10-04 14:44 <nebadon> this looks like misconfigured
2015-10-04 14:45 <Jsync> I have the robust as well
2015-10-04 14:45 <nebadon> ok you should be able to copy and paste stuff from SSH console to pastebin quite easily then
2015-10-04 14:45 <nebadon> lets see your robust.ini
2015-10-04 14:46 <Jsync> http://pastebin.com/hR1F768j
2015-10-04 14:47 <Jsync> This test is running on a second machine that I just hook up to this machine during times I am building or scripting in my own grids
2015-10-04 14:47 <Jsync> It's my local_house server machine
2015-10-04 14:47 <nebadon> uhh
2015-10-04 14:48 <nebadon> you did this completely wrong
2015-10-04 14:48 <Jsync> :O
2015-10-04 14:48 <Jsync> hehe
2015-10-04 14:48 <Jsync> What's wrong with what I did?
2015-10-04 14:48 <nebadon> one sec
2015-10-04 14:48 <nebadon> let me pull mine up
2015-10-04 14:48 <nebadon> so i dont tell you wrong info
2015-10-04 14:48 <nebadon> but this looks wrong to me
2015-10-04 14:49 <nebadon> ok lines 629/630
2015-10-04 14:49 <nebadon> remove tht
2015-10-04 14:50 <Jsync> I followed the opensimulator.org site suggestions for setting up & configuring. I talked with danbanner for a while priori about locating the right config instructions. Some things I had to find in forum posts to get my grid running, though I was following the wrong instructions the first time through configuring
2015-10-04 14:50 <Jsync> StorageProvider = ?
2015-10-04 14:50 <nebadon> erase those lines completely
2015-10-04 14:50 <nebadon> both of them
2015-10-04 14:51 <nebadon> no idea where you read to do that but its wrong so erase it
2015-10-04 14:51 <nebadon> next
2015-10-04 14:51 <nebadon> go to line 148 the [Database] section
2015-10-04 14:51 <nebadon> you have not configured the database at all
2015-10-04 14:51 <nebadon> this is the section you replace the core mysql dll with divas
2015-10-04 14:52 <nebadon> you can either just erase the core one and replace it with divas or comment it out and copy paste to new line and change
2015-10-04 14:52 <Jsync> yeah, you said I don't need both citations, so I commented that one out
2015-10-04 14:52 <nebadon> it has to be in the same section
2015-10-04 14:52 <nebadon> you cant just make a new section like that
2015-10-04 14:52 <Jsync> Ohh
2015-10-04 14:52 <nebadon> it will override previous sections
2015-10-04 14:52 <nebadon> order is very important here
2015-10-04 14:53 <nebadon> you have to configure the connection string
2015-10-04 14:53 <nebadon> to your database
2015-10-04 14:54 <nebadon> so it has ip / user / password / database etc.. so opensimulator can connect to the database server
2015-10-04 14:54 <Jsync> I have it configured. You see my name in the commented section under MySQL?
2015-10-04 14:54 <Jsync> Line 158
2015-10-04 14:54 <nebadon> commenting something = erasing it
2015-10-04 14:54 <Jsync> & 159
2015-10-04 14:55 <nebadon> putting a ; at the start of a line
2015-10-04 14:55 <Jsync> Commenting the line out = ";"
2015-10-04 14:55 <nebadon> means opensimulator no longer sees it
2015-10-04 14:55 <Jsync> right
2015-10-04 14:55 <Jsync> Yeah, I see what you mean
2015-10-04 14:55 <nebadon> lol
2015-10-04 14:55 <nebadon> give that a shot once you have it all set
2015-10-04 14:56 <Jsync> The machine has enough to worry about without concerning itself with "What we mean"
2015-10-04 14:56 <Jsync> You said I didn't need both database configs, so what about line 536?
2015-10-04 14:57 <Jsync> I commented line 158 & 159 the first test
2015-10-04 14:57 <nebadon> what i meant was 
2015-10-04 14:57 <nebadon> you dont want core and diva
2015-10-04 14:57 <nebadon> that would be bad
2015-10-04 14:57 <Jsync> Ahh
2015-10-04 14:57 <nebadon> just diva only
2015-10-04 14:57 <Jsync> So, I need them both configured to the same database & user?
2015-10-04 14:58 <nebadon> ucomment 158 159
2015-10-04 14:58 <nebadon> delete 629/630
2015-10-04 14:58 <nebadon> that should fix you
2015-10-04 14:58 <nebadon> you may find you fun into different error now too though :)
2015-10-04 14:59 <Melanie_T> when you install diva from mautil, the code data dll is NOT removed
2015-10-04 14:59 <Jsync> I still get the same errors
2015-10-04 14:59 <Melanie_T> so i'm not sure it's right to remove it
2015-10-04 14:59 <Melanie_T> i believe the diva one is used only by wifi
2015-10-04 14:59 <Melanie_T> and core services use the core dll
2015-10-04 14:59 <nebadon> Jsync I would suggest starting over cleanly
2015-10-04 14:59 <nebadon> do not assume anything, if there is anything you even have a slight hesitation about, stop and ask us
2015-10-04 15:00 <Jsync> You mean, new install, same configs?
2015-10-04 15:00 <nebadon> id start over 100%
2015-10-04 15:00 <nebadon> you can compare configs
2015-10-04 15:00 <nebadon> dont just drop old ones in
2015-10-04 15:00 <nebadon> assume configs are part of your current problem
2015-10-04 15:00 <nebadon> or even better
2015-10-04 15:00 <nebadon> just leave your entire old config as it is
2015-10-04 15:01 <nebadon> and start a new folder
2015-10-04 15:01 <nebadon> with the goal of just getting it to start first
2015-10-04 15:01 <nebadon> baby steps :)
2015-10-04 15:01 <nebadon> dont try to do it all at once
2015-10-04 15:01 <nebadon> get robust started
2015-10-04 15:01 <nebadon> then add in wifi
2015-10-04 15:01 <Jsync> That's what the instructions say to do anyway
2015-10-04 15:01 <nebadon> k cool
2015-10-04 15:02 <Jsync> She says, get Robust working, then merge folders, then add Wifi Config part, then restart Robust
2015-10-04 15:03 <nebadon> yea you may realize after going over it again you missed something
2015-10-04 15:03 <Jsync> I think the instructions for Wifi suggest that the Diva.dll is optional, which is where this started because my actual Wifi page would not show how many regions were online
2015-10-04 15:03 <nebadon> at worst you see if you get same failure then we can look closer
2015-10-04 15:03 <nebadon> it is optional
2015-10-04 15:03 <nebadon> it will work without it
2015-10-04 15:03 <nebadon> but not everything will work
2015-10-04 15:04 <nebadon> it will probbaly make a lot of noise on console too
2015-10-04 15:04 <nebadon> so its not wise to do it that way
2015-10-04 15:05 <nebadon> have you read this?
2015-10-04 15:05 <nebadon> http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/diva-addons/wifi-and-other-diva-addons/
2015-10-04 15:05 <nebadon> if not give that a look as well
2015-10-04 15:06 <nebadon> this is the new setup method for wifi
2015-10-04 15:06 <nebadon> i have not actually done this yet, what i was saying earlier about something i need to do soon
2015-10-04 15:07 <nebadon> possible you are going on old instructions
2015-10-04 15:08 <Jsync> shouldn't the FreeswitchService LocalServiceModule be commented out?
2015-10-04 15:11 <Jsync> Alright, my newly unpacked opensim-0.8.1.1 test Robust starts & runs without a single error
2015-10-04 15:11 <Jsync> Config was identical except the Wifi stuff
2015-10-04 15:12 <Jsync> Except as well that it uses the OpenSim.Data.MySQL.dll
2015-10-04 15:15 <Jsync> When it says, "Copy all files under WifiDir/bin onto RobustDir/bin, she means take all the files out of WifiDir/bin & put them into RobustDir/bin, right?
2015-10-04 15:16 <H-H-H> copy not moove
2015-10-04 15:16 <Jsync> right, copy. That's what I meant
2015-10-04 15:17 <Jsync> copy files out of WifiDir/Bin/* to RobustDir/bin
2015-10-04 15:18 <Jsync> So that's "Yes", right?
2015-10-04 15:18 <H-H-H> right click the file in wifi/bin then select copy  then right click in robust/bin and select paste
2015-10-04 15:20 <nebadon> ya basically merge the 2 folders together
2015-10-04 15:20 <nebadon> make sure all folder structure stays in tact etc..
2015-10-04 15:21 <Jsync> I think I just found the mistake
2015-10-04 15:22 <nebadon> I need to head out shortly in about 20 minutes or so
2015-10-04 15:22 <Jsync> When I added the line about WifiServerConnector = ..., I didn't add that line to the [Startup] section actually. I made a second [Startup] section
2015-10-04 15:22 <nebadon> ah yes
2015-10-04 15:22 <nebadon> never ever repeat a section
2015-10-04 15:22 <nebadon> technically you can but its better to avoid it if possible
2015-10-04 15:22 <nebadon> you can end up changing the wrong section
2015-10-04 15:22 <nebadon> which leads to confusion and lots of wasted time
2015-10-04 15:24 <Jsync> It's weird, she suggests in the notes under step 5 for Wifi, subsection "c", "Notice the comment under [DatabaseService] in Wifi.ini.example", though she doesn't suggest to employ that. 
2015-10-04 15:25 <nebadon> the WiFi.ini would be for standalone i suspect
2015-10-04 15:26 <nebadon> not a robust deployment
2015-10-04 15:26 <nebadon> may be where you are being confused
2015-10-04 15:26 <nebadon> im not sure though id have to go over it and look at it
2015-10-04 15:27 <nebadon> primarily Wifi is part of the Diva Distro standalone package
2015-10-04 15:27 <nebadon> running it in robust is kind of the Alternative Method
2015-10-04 15:27 <nebadon> so there may be some cross talk in the setup / config stuff
2015-10-04 15:28 <nebadon> Jsync you are using the wifi binary zip from metaverse ink website?
2015-10-04 15:28 <Jsync> yus
2015-10-04 15:29 <Jsync> *nods*
2015-10-04 15:29 <nebadon> ok cool
2015-10-04 15:29 <linkedinyou> lkalif: how would we continue with Tao why not TK
2015-10-04 15:29 <Jsync> Man, it was those repeated sections I had that caused the errors
2015-10-04 15:30 <nebadon> the directions you are following 
2015-10-04 15:30 <nebadon> they resemble this
2015-10-04 15:30 <nebadon> http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/diva-addons/wifi-and-other-diva-addons/
2015-10-04 15:30 <nebadon> ?
2015-10-04 15:30 <Jsync> I did everything the same, though took out the repeated sections & now it works fine!
2015-10-04 15:30 <nebadon> ok ya that will likely do it
2015-10-04 15:30 <nebadon> cool so its working now?
2015-10-04 15:31 <Jsync> No, the instructions don't resemble each other so much. I DID look at that page though. The instructions on that page ask the user to install from online modules or something
2015-10-04 15:31 <Jsync> Yeah, now on the test things work fine
2015-10-04 15:31 <nebadon> great ok cool
2015-10-04 15:31 <nebadon> just in time for me to leave :)
2015-10-04 15:32 <Jsync> It was those repeated sections that "clogged it all up"
2015-10-04 15:32 <nebadon> yea, not surprising
2015-10-04 15:32 <Jsync> I appreciate the help, neb! :)
2015-10-04 15:32 <nebadon> order is important
2015-10-04 15:32 <nebadon> no problem, glad i could help
2015-10-04 15:33 <linkedinyou> lkalif: how far while we are with Tao from the new techno that exist nowadays
2015-10-04 15:35 <lkalif> linkedinyou: ?
2015-10-04 15:36 <lkalif> Radegast uses OpenTK
2015-10-04 15:36 <linkedinyou> lkalif: we still learn from your libomv and i am very aware from what exist nowadays for GPU
2015-10-04 15:37 <linkedinyou> OH i love Radegast i nver look at it there
2015-10-04 15:38 <linkedinyou> man i will dig through Radegast  thank you for informing me :) 
2015-10-04 15:38 <lkalif> radegast has a whole mini scene rendering module
2015-10-04 15:38 <linkedinyou> but still we needed the multi-threads ,, let me have a look there and tell you
2015-10-04 17:01 <Jsync> Melanie_T, thanks again for reference to the site help. Typo3 looks interesting. :)
2015-10-04 17:02 <Melanie_T> you're welcome
2015-10-04 17:02 <Melanie_T> it is possible to write a single sign on module for typo3 to authenticate against opensim
2015-10-04 17:02 <Melanie_T> i've done it so i know it is
2015-10-04 17:03 <Melanie_T> and there is a typoscript stanza that can run page based plugin code
2015-10-04 17:03 <Melanie_T> allowing the features you see on the avination website
2015-10-04 17:03 <Melanie_T> those are advanced techniques
2015-10-04 17:03 <Melanie_T> but doable
2015-10-04 17:17 <Jsync> Melanie_T, is this "<div id="mappage">" section of your map page a working code to show a map on a page?
2015-10-04 17:18 <Melanie_T> it uses my (open source) webmap
2015-10-04 17:18 <Melanie_T> the div is expanded by javascript to show the map
2015-10-04 17:19 <Jsync> You published a webmap module?
2015-10-04 17:19 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-10-04 17:19 <Jsync> url?
2015-10-04 17:20 <Rodger_> has anyone fooled around with vmaking rions connected to simiangrid with hg?
2015-10-04 17:21 <Melanie_T> i don't recall the URL
2015-10-04 17:21 <Melanie_T> nebadon: can you recall the URL of the webmap I made
2015-10-04 17:22 <Jsync> I think he left. He had to do something.
2015-10-04 17:22 <Melanie_T> with all the servers i ave, I actually forgot where i put it
2015-10-04 17:22 <Jsync> hehe
2015-10-04 17:23 <Melanie_T> i just checked OSGrid's map, they use it too, to see of neb posted a link to the source but he hasn't
2015-10-04 17:23 <Jsync> Sometimes it takes me 20 minutes to find server login info to a vps or some server I have setup somewhere. :)
2015-10-04 17:23 <Jsync> I noticed the map part was the same. I thought that was neat & wanted to use it as well. ^.^
2015-10-04 17:24 <Melanie_T> well you can :)
2015-10-04 17:24 <Melanie_T> it's opensource
2015-10-04 17:24 <Jsync> when you can find it. hehe
2015-10-04 17:24 <Melanie_T> or neb comes back
2015-10-04 17:24 <Melanie_T> and remembers
2015-10-04 17:24 <Jsync> Melanie_T, are you Diva?
2015-10-04 17:25 <Melanie_T> no
2015-10-04 17:25 <Melanie_T> i can be a diva sometimes but i'm not her ;)
2015-10-04 17:25 <Jsync> Oh. I wasn't sure.
2015-10-04 17:25 <Jsync> :)
2015-10-04 17:25 <Melanie_T> we do know each other RL
2015-10-04 17:25 <Jsync> Yeah, I thought I caught a comment between you & nebadon that suggested that
2015-10-04 17:29 <Melanie_T> it's not impossible that I sent vital parts of the map to neb per email
2015-10-04 17:29 <Melanie_T> but i don't recall where the js is hosted
2015-10-04 17:29 <Melanie_T> i hope he does
2015-10-04 17:29 <Melanie_T> i really should move that to github
2015-10-04 17:30 <Melanie_T> but fact is, not many people even try to build full featured web sites
2015-10-04 17:30 <Jsync> Yah, that's a vital helper for small grid oddmin
2015-10-04 17:30 <Melanie_T> one lesson you will learn on this journey is that there is such a thing as infrastructure planning
2015-10-04 17:31 <Melanie_T> you can easily paint yourself into a corner with managing a growing grid
2015-10-04 17:31 <Jsync> I am. I call it a "test grid", though it's really a "hobby grid", so I'll do a typo3 webpage & make it look as professional as my skills & time allow.
2015-10-04 17:32 <Jsync> Yah, I'm sort of concerned that StarWarsGrid will blow up outside my ability to manage it.
2015-10-04 17:32 <Jsync> The morning of my second day to have a StarWars Grid facebook page & merely 24 hours into that, I have 231 friends.
2015-10-04 17:33 <Jsync> I mean, there are people that pay for advertising on tv that would be jealous of my quick facebook fame. hehe
2015-10-04 17:34 <Jsync> Though, there are total towns of people that do SWRP through High School as a mass community thing, including all the people in their High School. It's a huge cultural thing I noticed.
2015-10-04 17:35 <Jsync> I have always loved Star Wars though. I have been in the SWRP Community in SL alone for 8 years or so
2015-10-04 17:36 <Jsync> I'm as notorious a SWRP member as "Marcus" or "Helga". hehe
2015-10-04 17:36 <Jsync> people aren't nice enough to Helga, I think. She does quite a lot to have kept LME open all these years.
2015-10-04 17:38 <Melanie_T> i'm not familiar with the SWRP community
2015-10-04 17:38 <Jsync> It's rare to have a region that stable in SL. The SW Community is good for that though. There's "Little Mos Eisley" & "Yavin IV" & a couple of others. That's uncommon though. "Elf Circle", though aside that, I can not think of that many stable regions in SL.
2015-10-04 17:41 <Jsync> "SWRP" == "Star Wars Role Play";
2015-10-04 17:41 <Jsync> I think there are a couple of regions & groups that use CCS even, though I might be thinking of a different group I am familiar with in SL.
2015-10-04 17:42 <Jsync> A lot of StarWars enthusiasts are programmers it seems, & we are not shy of Combat Systems in the SW Community.
2015-10-04 17:47 <Melanie_T> i have heard of SWRP because of an inquiry about CCS
2015-10-04 17:47 <Melanie_T> don't know what came of it
2015-10-04 17:54 <Jsync> So Melanie_T, do you just allow particular IP Addresses to connect to your Robust at the connection ports?
2015-10-04 17:54 <Melanie_T> my network is completely firewalled
2015-10-04 17:54 <Melanie_T> avination doesn't allow externally hosted regions or hypergrid
2015-10-04 17:54 <Jsync> Oh, you don't do HyperGrid even
2015-10-04 17:55 <Jsync> I thought you did that, though you didn't allow others to host regions
2015-10-04 17:56 <Melanie_T> no. once we can do it in such a way that HG visitors can neither take stiff with them nor bring in copybotted stuff, we may
2015-10-04 17:56 <Melanie_T> stuff*
2015-10-04 17:57 <Jsync> Well, it's an open community though, right? So what is the question of context what content someone either uploads or builds within Avination?
2015-10-04 17:58 <Melanie_T> avination features branded goods for sale
2015-10-04 17:58 <Melanie_T> allowing them onto the hypergrid would mean that people can remove the premissions and copy these items at will
2015-10-04 17:58 <Melanie_T> including bringing them back to undersell the creator
2015-10-04 17:58 <Jsync> Oh, right
2015-10-04 18:00 <Jsync> You are associated with a Virtual Currency which has licenses, right? I talked with someone else whom was using that particular currency (or something similar) & she was telling me that the currency is recognized & has licenses or something.
2015-10-04 18:00 <Rodger_> can anyone spot a reason why i am unagble to hg? here is theopensim ini that as generated
2015-10-04 18:00 <Rodger_> http://pastebin.com/X3VJ14qX
2015-10-04 18:00 <Melanie_T> also, allowing HG asset access would allow people to simply siphon script source code
2015-10-04 18:01 <Melanie_T> we issue our own currency
2015-10-04 18:01 <Jsync> Aren't there some sort of financial restrictions to that?
2015-10-04 18:01 <Melanie_T> not yet in the UK
2015-10-04 18:02 <Jsync> Somebody said you have to have a license to issue a currency
2015-10-04 18:02 <Melanie_T> in the US you need to become a MSB
2015-10-04 18:02 <Melanie_T> and fulfill reporting requirements
2015-10-04 18:02 <Jsync> They got all sorts of licenses & were recognized of the Eurobank & US Treasury, or something similar.
2015-10-04 18:03 <Melanie_T> it all depends on the country you're in and it's legislation
2015-10-04 18:06 <Jsync> I'm curious if the US could really come after me if I actually issued a virtual currency.
2015-10-04 18:06 <Jsync> :/ I'm gonna get in trouble. I can smell it.
2015-10-04 18:06 <Melanie_T> are you in the US?
2015-10-04 18:06 <Jsync> Yus
2015-10-04 18:06 <Rodger_> only if you convert it back to cash
2015-10-04 18:06 <Melanie_T> then the IRS will come for you and collect, from YOU, all estimated income tax your users should have had withheld
2015-10-04 18:07 <Jsync> Oh, if I offer that others can convert that currency back to cash, then I have to join the MSB or whatnot?
2015-10-04 18:07 <Rodger_> you can sell "coins" but if you convert game coins to real money then you need msb
2015-10-04 18:08 <Rodger_> im in the process of filing the paperwork
2015-10-04 18:11 <Rodger_> melanie could you please check my ini file and letme know if you spot something that is preventing me from using hg on my region?
2015-10-04 18:11 <Melanie_T> sorry i can't
2015-10-04 18:11 <Melanie_T> i don't know enough about HG to be authoritative
2015-10-04 18:12 <Jsync> Rodger_, somebody already made a virtual currency & bank
2015-10-04 18:12 <Melanie_T> i'd miss things, I never had the need to set up HG before
2015-10-04 18:12 <Jsync> I think others interested just have to join that bank
2015-10-04 18:13 <Jsync> I'll look Rodger_, though I can just HG to other grids. I can't get back yet according to my config
2015-10-04 18:16 <Jsync> Rodger_, I think your issue is this "http://youripaddress/Grid/" address you keep citing. You're asking your robust to calculate "http://youripaddress/Grid/:8002(or 8003 variably)" as viable. Remove the forward slash after "/Grid" & see if it works. I can't believe it works at all actually.
2015-10-04 18:17 <Melanie_T> what you need to understand is that your ROBUST must be internet-reachable
2015-10-04 18:17 <Jsync> You have some neat features installed, btw. The [Sun] section is interesting.
2015-10-04 18:17 <Melanie_T> for anyone to come in
2015-10-04 18:17 <Melanie_T> even you
2015-10-04 18:23 <Jsync> I have as well not seen someone try to set "LocalService" in the Robust before. That's usually set in "OpenSim.ini" for each Region Server & it has to be set to "remote" & without the quotes.
2015-10-04 18:24 <Jsync> That's context the section titled [Groups]
2015-10-04 18:26 <Jsync> Under [Startup], your stats_URI = won't work, though it's a cool name. :)
2015-10-04 18:30 <H-H-H> Jsync
2015-10-04 18:30 <H-H-H> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Test_Page
2015-10-04 18:32 <H-H-H> Rodger_ please also see that link
2015-10-04 18:32 <Jsync> Oh H-H-H, ok. I am not familiar with the feature, though a URI usually is referenced with an internet page address
2015-10-04 18:33 <H-H-H> thats why i always google before i say stuff to avoid the posibility of saying the wrong thing although i still get it wrong more often than not lol
2015-10-04 18:34 <Jsync> That's the first URI citation I have seen that is not actually an internet address url of some sort. :)
2015-10-04 18:48 <Rodger_> jsync that is what mgm generated for a opensim.ini
2015-10-04 18:50 <Jsync> What is "mgm", Rodger_?
2015-10-04 18:50 <Jsync> I thought that was supposed to be your Robust.HG.ini specifics
2015-10-04 18:51 <Jsync> Most of the time your HG troubles are sourced at the Robust.HG.ini, or that's where you'd look first if you couldn't get out of your grid
2015-10-04 18:52 <Rodger_> i was able to hg out of my grid but now i can not hg back in i do not know how to do that
2015-10-04 18:53 <Jsync> It's got not a thing to do with your OpenSim.ini
2015-10-04 18:53 <Jsync> That's your Robust.HG.ini. Same problem here. Same problem in OSGrid some of the time at least.
2015-10-04 18:55 <Jsync> You should look really close at your console during Region Server Startup & see if you get errors though, because I am going to wager you do. ^.^
2015-10-04 18:56 <Jsync> I am sure that your "LocalService" within the section [Groups] actually is supposed to be "remote" without the quotes.
2015-10-04 18:56 <Jsync> You have "local" with quotes.
2015-10-04 18:58 <Rodger_> actual after i switched to opensim.ini and manauly setup hypersiminan i can hg out but not in lol
2015-10-04 18:58 <Rodger_> and no errors
2015-10-04 18:59 <Jsync> You mean "SimianGrid"?
2015-10-04 18:59 <Jsync> & I'm curious, what is "mgm"?
2015-10-04 19:00 <Jsync> Oh, are you doing a Standalone?
2015-10-04 19:03 <Rodger_> mgm is moses grid managment
2015-10-04 19:03 <Rodger_> and no i have symian setup in grid mode
2015-10-04 19:04 <Jsync> That suggests "mgm" uses customized software, Rodger_
2015-10-04 19:05 <Rodger_> just for making the ini but i overrode it with using default opensim ini information its the hg url i do not know
2015-10-04 19:05 <Rodger_> my login url is just the server ip but map wont letme use that as url
2015-10-04 19:06 <Jsync> they can use a variant url for hypergrid
2015-10-04 19:09 <Rodger_> what do you mean
2015-10-04 19:09 <Jsync> Well, the login for OSGrid is "osgrid.org:80", though the hypergrid is "hg.osgrid.org:80"
2015-10-04 19:10 <Jsync> They can use a separate url for the HyperGrid service
2015-10-04 19:10 <Rodger_> could be map wont take an ip but will take a domain name
2015-10-04 19:11 <Jsync> I think it's setup that way with intent that Grid Communities unite eventually or optionally. Various Robust services can be split out to totally different servers & some services can be shared with other grids, like the "ProfileService", for an example
2015-10-04 19:12 <H-H-H> lol
2015-10-04 19:17 <Jsync> I happen to be arguably right, so what's so funny, H-H-H? Would you care to share with the rest of the class?
2015-10-04 19:19 <Melanie_T> Jsync: OSGrid, as well Avination, are not what you should look at
2015-10-04 19:20 <Melanie_T> both these grids are highly developed infrastructures that don't use the normal services as-is
2015-10-04 19:20 <Melanie_T> you can't set up to work like avination or like osgrid
2015-10-04 19:20 <Melanie_T> use the wiki
2015-10-04 19:20 <Melanie_T> the readmes
2015-10-04 19:20 <Melanie_T> and the tutorials
2015-10-04 19:21 <Melanie_T> don't try to duplicate what large grids have
2015-10-04 19:21 <Melanie_T> you don't have the basis to support that kind of configuration
2015-10-04 19:21 <Melanie_T> and as I said earlier
2015-10-04 19:21 <Melanie_T> if your robust (or simian) is on a machine that is not reachable from the internet, you will NOT be able to return, once you're out
2015-10-04 19:22 <Jsync> That's not the issue though, with none of the three instances of a hypergrid return problem. In OSGrid, I can reach the grid from outside. On Moses Grid, they can be reached, & my grid is not running on my own machine & can be reached, though return teleports are a problem.
2015-10-05 09:48 <lkalif> what language is this?
2015-10-05 09:48 <Ubit> define "this"
2015-10-05 09:49 <lkalif> the commit message? ;)
2015-10-05 09:49 <lkalif> "edition is blocked"?
2015-10-05 09:50 <lkalif> and which date is displayed where?
2015-10-05 17:46 <linkedinyou> lkalif: how i can make libomv like me :( ___ `OpenMetaverse.FolderType' does not contain a definition for `Bodypart'____ i can fix but every month i get one 
2015-10-05 17:47 <lkalif> there was a big change recently
2015-10-05 17:47 <lkalif> use the version from git
2015-10-05 17:48 <linkedinyou> yeah i notice the enum changes 
2015-10-05 17:48 <lkalif> yes, that
2015-10-05 17:48 <linkedinyou> which one from git?
2015-10-05 17:48 <linkedinyou> which git?
2015-10-05 17:48 <lkalif> master
2015-10-05 17:48 <linkedinyou> ok
2015-10-05 17:49 <lkalif> https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse
2015-10-05 17:53 <linkedinyou> why always i find my self inside libomv  :) truely i  like been there lol
2015-10-05 17:54 <lkalif> hehe
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2015-10-05 23:45 <Plugh> Has anyone used the viewer feature where you are supposed to be able to add your own map for bumpiness or shininess or is that not supported in OS?
2015-10-05 23:48 <Ubit> it should work, i think
2015-10-05 23:48 <nebadon> it does
2015-10-05 23:51 <Plugh> Does it require a newer grid code? ie. 081 or master? 
2015-10-05 23:52 <nebadon> no but in older versions you may have to enable it yourself
2015-10-05 23:52 <nebadon> by adding the materials section to opensim.ini
2015-10-05 23:52 <nebadon> if the section is missing it doesnt work
2015-10-05 23:52 <nebadon> we later fixed that
2015-10-05 23:53 <nebadon> ie: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=kD5HaZAq
2015-10-05 23:57 <Plugh> Oh? I'm in 080. I don't have a [Materials] section.
2015-10-05 23:57 <nebadon> ya there was a point i forget when it was fixed exactly but if the section was missing it did not work
2015-10-06 00:21 <Plugh> ok, thanks. I've added it to my ini and will let others tell me if it fixes the issue.
2015-10-06 00:37 <Plugh> nebadon: ok, thanks. Seems to have helped. Seems to be a viewer issue now. Viewer saves the bump/shiny map now. It doesn't seem to be showing on the object properly.
2015-10-06 16:59 <CrasherRob> Is there something wrong with the git log? http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=shortlog&p=opensim shows the last commit as 9/14 but there have been later commits. 
2015-10-06 17:00 <nebadon> most of the recent commits are in the avinationmerge branch
2015-10-06 17:00 <nebadon> like 98% of them
2015-10-06 17:00 <Melanie_T> with diva away and ubit and myself not working on master......
2015-10-06 17:01 <Melanie_T> i just hope we're ready to merge down soon
2015-10-06 17:01 <CrasherRob> OK, thanks. I was just wondering if something was wrong or my eyes were crossed or something.
2015-10-06 17:02 <gmc> any guidelines for submitting bug reports?
2015-10-06 17:02 <gmc> ie, what to fill in under 'platform' ?
2015-10-06 17:03 <Melanie_T> windows/linux
2015-10-06 17:03 <gmc> kk
2015-10-06 17:04 <gmc> thanks :)
2015-10-06 17:05 <nebadon> just try to be informative as possible, dont post your bug report in the form of a question
2015-10-06 17:05 <nebadon> include logs, attach screenshots, scripts etc..
2015-10-06 17:05 <gmc> oh i *will* be very informative :)
2015-10-06 17:06 <gmc> btw, what kind of git commit message is 'my first commit'? :)
2015-10-06 17:07 <gmc> i'd supply a patch too, if i had any clue about c# :)
2015-10-06 17:10 <Ubit> well it was exactly that gmc :p
2015-10-06 17:16 <gmc> true, i guess i'm just anal about expecting commit messages to actually describe the changes ...
2015-10-06 17:16 <lkalif> like slashdot "first post" from 15 years ago
2015-10-06 17:18 <Ubit> yr anal things your own problem :p
2015-10-06 17:20 <osmantis> Bug #7730:04 Memory leak when object moves between regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7730 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-10-06 17:24 <osmantis> Bug #7730:04 Memory leak when object moves between regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7730 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-10-06 17:24 <gmc> well, there ya go! 
2015-10-06 17:24 <gmc> enough detail? :)
2015-10-06 17:25 <Ubit> are u using application domains on scripts ?
2015-10-06 17:25 <osmantis> Bug #7730:04 Memory leak when object moves between regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7730 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-10-06 17:25 <gmc> ah i should have added, tried with and without, doesn't seem to make a difference
2015-10-06 17:27 <Ubit> when not using them scripts don't get unload from memory.. so a mem leak..
2015-10-06 17:27 <Ubit> a known one i mean :)
2015-10-06 17:27 <gmc> i remember a conversation (perhaps with you?) about this weeks/months ago
2015-10-06 17:27 <Ubit> hmm nopes.. not with me
2015-10-06 17:27 <osmantis> Bug #7730:04 Memory leak when object moves between regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7730 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-10-06 17:28 <Ubit> btw can  u test avinationmerge branch ?
2015-10-06 17:28 <gmc> sure
2015-10-06 17:29 <Ubit> well memory leak isn't actually that easy to see in short time term
2015-10-06 17:29 <gmc> this one is...
2015-10-06 17:29 <Ubit> sometimes GC takes a lot to decide to clear memory
2015-10-06 17:29 <gmc> leave the example i provided running and you'll run out of memory soon
2015-10-06 17:29 <Ubit> in other cases things are kept in cache, taking a while to get free
2015-10-06 17:30 <gmc> i've had this issue on my production server, which kept crashing every few hours because of running out of memory
2015-10-06 17:31 <gmc> i see memory usage increase, and never decrease - until the process runs out of memory
2015-10-06 17:31 <gmc> with the avination branch, should i test AppDomainLoading = false or true ?
2015-10-06 17:31 <Ubit> the recomended..  think true on linux
2015-10-06 17:32 <Ubit> i personaly prefer false, unless if doing a lot of scripting :)
2015-10-06 17:34 <gmc> true seems to be the default, no clue what is recommended on linux tbh
2015-10-06 17:35 <Ubit> its true if i remember well
2015-10-06 17:35 <Ubit> since it does provide some isolation..   memory release etc...
2015-10-06 17:36 <gmc> ok, now running the avinationmerge branch
2015-10-06 17:37 <Ubit> happy crashs :p
2015-10-06 17:37 <gmc> (i keep getting confused, is avination the brazilian grid that keeps going down?)
2015-10-06 17:37 <Ubit> yeap ur confused :)
2015-10-06 17:37 <gmc> thank eris :)
2015-10-06 17:38 <Ubit> (https://www.avination.com/)
2015-10-06 17:40 <MarcusLlewellyn> My understanding is that AppDomainLoading should be false on Linux, true on Windows. Mono doesn't (or didn't) have a robust AppDomain implementation.
2015-10-06 17:40 <Ubit> ohh ok
2015-10-06 17:41 <MarcusLlewellyn> Mono has changed a lot since those defaults were recommended, though. especially the 4.* version.
2015-10-06 17:42 <MarcusLlewellyn> Also, reminder: Dev meeting in 20 mins. :)
2015-10-06 17:42 <gmc> yeah, i got there an hour early :)
2015-10-06 17:42 <gmc> (not that i'm a dev, but i've been thinking of diving into .net and becoming one, what with all these people leaving)
2015-10-06 17:43 <MarcusLlewellyn> All these people? 2 doesn't really constitute a horde. ;)
2015-10-06 17:44 <gmc> hmm so summing up, there is this mysterious AppDomain thing, which may have something to do with the issue.. and there is a setting, that is a bit obscure, that is supposed to be in the least favourable setting on linux for this bug?
2015-10-06 17:45 <MarcusLlewellyn> I've always kept AppDomain false on linux. I'd definitely try that.
2015-10-06 17:48 <gmc> does seem to limit the leaking quite a lot.. let's keep it running for a while ..
2015-10-06 17:49 <gmc> i should retry false on the master branch too, i distinctly remember it not doing much to plug the leak
2015-10-06 17:59 <nebadon> technically in false it will leak more
2015-10-06 17:59 <nebadon> but be way more stable
2015-10-06 17:59 <nebadon> less threading
2015-10-06 17:59 <nebadon> which is good for mono
2015-10-06 18:00 <nebadon> the problem with single app domain is you can never unload anything
2015-10-06 18:00 <nebadon> so over time you get a lot of scripts running that do not need to be anymore
2015-10-06 18:00 <nebadon> and only way to clear it is restart the simulator
2015-10-06 18:00 <gmc> hmm 
2015-10-06 18:01 <Ubit> you mean taking memory, not running
2015-10-06 18:01 <nebadon> but its far better than crashing every 10 minutes from threading problems with mono
2015-10-06 18:01 <nebadon> Ubit probably, its kind of hard to tell though
2015-10-06 18:01 <nebadon> its far from perfect
2015-10-06 18:01 <nebadon> either way poses problems
2015-10-06 18:01 <MarcusLlewellyn> Dev meeting has started. ;)
2015-10-06 18:01 <nebadon> but false in linux poses far less problems
2015-10-06 18:01 <nebadon> yea im logging in
2015-10-06 18:01 <Ubit> they should stop running...  just can't be unloaded from memory
2015-10-06 18:01 <nebadon> had to close 20 windows of stuff
2015-10-06 18:02 <MarcusLlewellyn> Always with the excuses. ;)
2015-10-06 18:02 <nebadon> lol
2015-10-06 18:02 <nebadon> well that and login window seems stuck
2015-10-06 18:02 <Ubit> think LL  worked around that..
2015-10-06 18:02 <Ubit> from time to time they create a new domain, and move live scritps to that..
2015-10-06 18:03 <Ubit> then kill the old one  
2015-10-06 18:03 <MarcusLlewellyn> LL had their own custom mono fork.
2015-10-06 18:03 <nebadon> dont seem able to log into Sisyphus
2015-10-06 18:03 <nebadon> running avination merge
2015-10-06 18:03 <nebadon> let me try again
2015-10-06 18:04 <nebadon> 3rd time is the charm
2015-10-06 18:04 <nebadon> wierd
2015-10-06 18:06 <gmc> nebadon: i haven't had it crashing every 10 minutes from threading problems...
2015-10-06 18:06 <nebadon> you would eventually
2015-10-06 18:06 <nebadon> with enough scripts
2015-10-06 18:06 <Plugh> gmc: Good amount of detail. For some of those bits of info you could have attached files instead of including the information in the body of the report. You could have attached a file with the test script file, for example. Would make it easier for someone else to grab it and use it for testing.
2015-10-06 18:06 <nebadon> it bites a lot of people because it works fine for months
2015-10-06 18:06 <nebadon> then one day someone adds one more simple script
2015-10-06 18:07 <nebadon> and it crosses the line and everything goes bonkers
2015-10-06 18:07 <nebadon> and its not always easy to realise what is happening
2015-10-06 18:08 <gmc> ugh, doesn't sound good indeed
2015-10-06 18:08 <Ubit> regions should have a daily restart
2015-10-06 18:08 <nebadon> it is something we want to improve
2015-10-06 18:09 <nebadon> many ideas on how to, no one has really attempted to yet
2015-10-06 18:14 <Melanie_T> nebadon: actually, i hate attached files
2015-10-06 18:15 <Melanie_T> if things are in the body, i can copy/paste them to a terminal easily
2015-10-06 18:15 <Melanie_T> if it's attached, i have to download and then move the file to the actual test server
2015-10-06 18:15 <Melanie_T> so IMHO the only things to attach are long logs, images and patches
2015-10-06 18:18 <nebadon> none of this though! > https://goo.gl/SsAhv
2015-10-06 18:24 <Plugh> Ubit, I do daily restarts. Still things go wonky after a while.
2015-10-06 18:27 <gmc> so what kind of scripts would get stuck in memory? and how many times? I guess if i have a prim with a script cross back-and-forth between two regions, the script will not stay in memory on each crossing?
2015-10-06 18:41 <Melanie_T> gmc: depends
2015-10-06 18:41 <Melanie_T> with AppDomainLoading on, the scripts will not stay in memory but your capacity for running scripts as well as the speed they run at is greatly reduced
2015-10-06 18:42 <Melanie_T> with it off, each time a script starts (be it compiled, rezzed, or entering) an instance is created and it stays in memory forever
2015-10-06 18:42 <Melanie_T> that is beause .net doesn't allow the unloading of assemblies
2015-10-06 18:42 <Melanie_T> only allows unloading app domains
2015-10-06 18:50 <Ubit> gmc how are avnmerge leaks?
2015-10-06 18:51 <gmc> seemed to not be leaking (with AppDomainLoading to false)
2015-10-06 18:51 <gmc> so i retested stock release with it set to false, also doesn't seem to be leaking
2015-10-06 18:51 <Ubit> well im sure it is leaking.. just hope less ;)
2015-10-06 18:51 <gmc> which surprises me, given Melanie_T's comments.. with the prim entering the region every 10 seconds, i'd expect it to now have hundreds/thousands of copies of the script
2015-10-06 18:52 <gmc> ah, still leaking w/ 0.8.1.1 it seems
2015-10-06 18:52 <Ubit> you don't see it
2015-10-06 18:52 <gmc> yeah probably ... need to have it running over a longer time
2015-10-06 18:52 <Ubit> unless its a big big big scritp
2015-10-06 18:54 <gmc> i can make it big :)
2015-10-06 18:54 <Ubit> oops :)
2015-10-06 18:54 <gmc> and all i wanted was to run a few trains :)
2015-10-06 18:55 <gmc> it was stuck at approx 3667mb for a while (going up and down around that point)
2015-10-06 18:55 <gmc> but then it started going up 
2015-10-06 18:55 <gmc> 3733mb now
2015-10-06 18:56 <Ubit> its going up for nothing ?
2015-10-06 18:56 <gmc> well, just that prim moving back and forth
2015-10-06 18:56 <gmc> no-one logged in to the sim or any other objects/scripts in the sim
2015-10-06 18:56 <Ubit> whats the map update rate ?
2015-10-06 18:57 <gmc> default.. i think that's 0, let me double check
2015-10-06 18:57 <gmc>     ; MaptileRefresh = 0
2015-10-06 18:57 <gmc> that one?
2015-10-06 18:58 <Ubit> ok
2015-10-06 19:00 <gmc> now it seems to be oscilating around 3725mb.. 
2015-10-06 19:00 <Ubit> normal
2015-10-06 19:02 <gmc> and a little bump again
2015-10-06 19:02 <gmc> i think i'm gonna see how both 0.8.1.1 and avinationmerge branch do when i keep em running for days, and then make a graph
2015-10-06 19:06 <osmantis> Bug #7730:04 Memory leak when object moves between regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7730 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-10-06 19:11 <Ubit> yeap those log messages are anoying.. but still usefull
2015-10-06 19:58 <linkedinyou> Ubit: 114 warning 0 error
2015-10-06 19:58 <Ubit> nice :)
2015-10-06 19:59 <linkedinyou> want special configuartation or i use my tast :)
2015-10-06 19:59 <linkedinyou> tatste
2015-10-06 19:59 <linkedinyou> taste
2015-10-06 19:59 <Ubit> use any of those :)
2015-10-06 19:59 <linkedinyou> :)
2015-10-06 20:18 <velusunivers-sys> join #osgrid
2015-10-06 20:28 <linkedinyou> Ubit: i HG to new avinationmerge it take me build it 10 minutes of refresh server no issues
2015-10-06 20:29 <linkedinyou> i HG from osgrid
2015-10-06 20:29 <Ubit> so worked?
2015-10-06 20:29 <linkedinyou> yes
2015-10-06 20:29 <Ubit> nice
2015-10-06 20:29 <linkedinyou> i sent you HG in osgrid
2015-10-06 20:30 <linkedinyou> test please
2015-10-06 20:30 <Ubit> oh im changing another thing now :(
2015-10-06 20:31 <linkedinyou> i will keep it online for test for good no issue :) 
2015-10-06 20:32 <linkedinyou> Ubit: thank you for encourge me to test avinationmerge for the frist time :) i was thinking it will take tim to test with issues
2015-10-06 20:32 <Ubit> :)
2015-10-06 20:33 <Ubit> sure it has issues...  prob is where lol
2015-10-06 20:33 <linkedinyou> glade to contribute finding issues for you no worries lol
2015-10-06 20:34 <Ubit> well it for all of us.. not just me :)
2015-10-06 20:34 <Melanie_T> gmc: if it's the same script, the assembly will be reused
2015-10-06 20:35 <Wanderer_42> Hi. People are telling, that virustotal finds malware in opensim-0.8.1.1.zip from http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Download  False Alarm, or is it serious ? 
2015-10-06 20:35 <Melanie_T> virus scanners often produce false positives on .net stuff
2015-10-06 20:36 <Melanie_T> however, a contamination can't be completely ruled out
2015-10-06 20:36 <Melanie_T> best to check with another scanner
2015-10-06 20:36 <Melanie_T> and/or research the virus it's flagged to contain
2015-10-06 20:36 <Melanie_T> often you will find that it may find a virus signature of a virus that can't be in it because it's another architectyre
2015-10-06 20:37 <Wanderer_42> yes, makes sense. We had that idea
2015-10-06 20:38 <Ubit> why do links get save in trash.. well
2015-10-06 20:42 <Ubit> and LinkFolders  get restored into root grrr
2015-10-06 20:42 <Ubit> ( in master )
2015-10-06 20:43 <Ubit> i whould consider safer to just delete them..  but well
2015-10-06 20:44 <linkedinyou> Ubit: frsit error ( Runtime error in script updateldolar?
2015-10-06 20:44 <linkedinyou> Melanie_T: what is ldollar
2015-10-06 20:45 <Ubit> its yr script u should know
2015-10-06 20:46 <linkedinyou> ok i will put my brain on then :) Brain debugger = true
2015-10-06 20:46 <Ubit> what is the error msg ?
2015-10-06 20:47 <linkedinyou> i tested my games it is Zyngo mutiplayer
2015-10-06 20:47 <linkedinyou> and wait will send errors
2015-10-06 20:47 <Ubit> well u have monwy etc setup ?
2015-10-06 20:48 <Ubit> money... :)
2015-10-06 20:48 <linkedinyou> but forget to add the addon module for my currency yes
2015-10-06 20:51 <linkedinyou> issues started 
2015-10-06 20:52 <linkedinyou> one that showes users freind list that online in HG only appeared in avination screen but via the viewer nothing there
2015-10-06 20:53 <Ubit> hmm
2015-10-06 20:53 <Ubit> and that works ok on master?
2015-10-06 20:54 <linkedinyou> secondlife script dose not work and give red errors
2015-10-06 20:54 <linkedinyou> master is fine
2015-10-06 20:54 <Ubit> ok what red errors?
2015-10-06 20:55 <linkedinyou> in xengine says could not load previous secondlife.script from assembly commoncompiles
2015-10-06 20:58 <linkedinyou> Ubit: i compile sl script and it work fine now https://dpaste.de/80M0
2015-10-06 20:58 <linkedinyou> i am playing Parcheesi now
2015-10-06 20:59 <Ubit> it was a fresh install on a clean dir ?
2015-10-06 21:00 <linkedinyou> purely ys 
2015-10-06 21:00 <Ubit> odd
2015-10-06 21:04 <Ubit> well fs fails to recompile scripts from build menu ...  singu works
2015-10-06 21:04 <Ubit> i tried to compile fs to see why... failed :)
2015-10-06 21:05 <linkedinyou> while compiling Zyngo game it says compiling updateldollar i am sure i am in love with avinationmerge and let me test fs
2015-10-06 21:06 <Ubit> fs issues i see in avnmerge i also see in master
2015-10-06 21:06 <Ubit> just there isn't a viwer that isn't broken somewhere
2015-10-06 21:09 <linkedinyou> downloading fs 
2015-10-06 21:09 <Ubit> it does have more issues than singu on opensim
2015-10-06 21:10 <linkedinyou> singu more opensimer
2015-10-06 21:10 <Ubit> well not the alpha version...
2015-10-06 21:11 <linkedinyou> i uses old singu
2015-10-06 21:26 <Ubit> you had the suitcase on hg?
2015-10-06 21:28 <linkedinyou> i do not see suitcase in hg
2015-10-06 21:28 <Ubit> hmm i seen it in standalone mode
2015-10-06 21:29 <linkedinyou> and all folder unavailable but i see them there
2015-10-06 21:29 <Ubit> yeap
2015-10-06 21:30 <Ubit> also don't have it on hg tp from lbsa
2015-10-06 21:31 <linkedinyou> i had and still there
2015-10-06 21:31 <linkedinyou> from lbsa
2015-10-06 21:31 <linkedinyou> i just changed my jacket it work
2015-10-06 21:32 <Ubit> well i went from lbsa to refugegrid and no suitcase
2015-10-06 21:33 <linkedinyou> if i teleport home from my grid to osgrid 
2015-10-06 21:33 <linkedinyou> let me check hom
2015-10-06 21:33 <linkedinyou> home
2015-10-06 21:34 <linkedinyou> i am in wright plaza now
2015-10-06 21:35 <linkedinyou> no suitcase anywhere
2015-10-06 21:35 <Ubit> i see online with a osg account
2015-10-06 21:35 <Ubit> not suposed to have suitace on home grid :p
2015-10-06 21:36 <Ubit> or suitcase :)
2015-10-06 21:36 <Ubit> well diva will fix hg.. its her baby
2015-10-06 21:37 <linkedinyou> i did not go offline with my osgrid since an hour and had no crash
2015-10-06 21:37 <Ubit> think i did fix most the merge did broke
2015-10-06 21:37 <linkedinyou> yeah hg great working
2015-10-06 21:46 <linkedinyou> i can not login with fs with latest  fs and i downloaded old version same can not login
2015-10-06 21:46 <Ubit> hmm ?
2015-10-06 21:46 <linkedinyou> might bbe issue in my local .nt framework
2015-10-06 21:47 <linkedinyou> .net
2015-10-06 21:47 <Ubit> login where?
2015-10-06 21:47 <Ubit> fs doesn't use .net
2015-10-06 21:47 <linkedinyou> to avinationmerge
2015-10-06 21:47 <Ubit> check ip and port
2015-10-06 21:47 <linkedinyou> what dose it use i can not login with fs
2015-10-06 21:48 <Ubit> its a standalone?
2015-10-06 21:48 <linkedinyou> let me check i am sure it is not
2015-10-06 21:52 <linkedinyou> arch is grdihypergrid.ini 
2015-10-06 21:53 <Ubit> you have the region on a grid?
2015-10-06 21:53 <linkedinyou> my grid yes
2015-10-06 21:54 <Ubit> well check if you did add the grid to fs
2015-10-06 21:54 <linkedinyou> i did
2015-10-06 21:54 <Ubit> other viewer connects fine?
2015-10-06 21:54 <linkedinyou> let me check to login to sl have not done that long time :)
2015-10-06 21:54 <linkedinyou> yes
2015-10-06 21:54 <linkedinyou> fine
2015-10-06 21:55 <Ubit> well then u have something worng on the fs grid setup
2015-10-06 21:55 <Ubit> see anything on grid or region console ?
2015-10-06 21:56 <linkedinyou> yes it is telling i am trying to login via console
2015-10-06 21:56 <linkedinyou> i can compile fs in this pc it won,t take me time if that help?
2015-10-06 21:57 <Ubit> i failed to compile that damm thing :p
2015-10-06 21:57 <Ubit> older version did compile...  last that uses vs2013... nahhh no way
2015-10-06 21:57 <linkedinyou> do not install the Quicklib
2015-10-06 21:57 <linkedinyou> do not use the Quick
2015-10-06 21:58 <Ubit> in 32bit, it failed bc vs2013  hates 32bit
2015-10-06 21:58 <linkedinyou> i have 32bit and compile fine
2015-10-06 21:58 <Ubit> the last version on git ?
2015-10-06 21:58 <linkedinyou> i can do the latest if you want now
2015-10-06 21:59 <linkedinyou> wont take me time
2015-10-06 21:59 <Ubit> well first see if u find why it doesn't like yr grid
2015-10-06 21:59 <Ubit> no need to compile to do that :)
2015-10-06 21:59 <linkedinyou> did you tried Achamey viewer?
2015-10-06 21:59 <linkedinyou> Alchamey
2015-10-06 21:59 <Ubit> yeap have a copy around
2015-10-06 22:00 <Ubit> but only compiled singu.. that compiles easy with vs2010
2015-10-06 22:00 <Ubit> ( then its a disater in opensim... details )
2015-10-06 22:00 <linkedinyou> singu is more friendly
2015-10-06 22:00 <Ubit> previus fs also compiled 
2015-10-06 22:01 <Ubit> just the new one  changed to vs2013.. disaster
2015-10-06 22:01 <Ubit> my vs2013  refuses to use  sdk 7.1
2015-10-06 22:02 <linkedinyou> i guess i have to clone fs frist to that just let me try to login to sl i forget my credintial to sl lol
2015-10-06 22:02 <Ubit> when i forced it...  a mess og .h conflits
2015-10-06 22:02 <Ubit> in 64b it compiles
2015-10-06 22:03 <Ubit> but fails link...  some300 missing references :)
2015-10-06 22:03 <linkedinyou> what is the hg clone adress for fs
2015-10-06 22:03 <linkedinyou> i forget it lol
2015-10-06 22:04 <linkedinyou> hg clone http://hg.phoenixviewer.com/phoenix-firestorm-lgpl/ 
2015-10-06 22:04 <linkedinyou> this one yes?
2015-10-06 22:04 <Ubit> http://hg.phoenixviewer.com/phoenix-firestorm-lgpl/
2015-10-06 22:04 <Ubit> ohh u found it :)
2015-10-06 22:04 <linkedinyou> will clone now
2015-10-06 22:05 <Ubit> tried the Firestorm_4.7.3   branch.. uff
2015-10-06 22:06 <linkedinyou> ok cloning now
2015-10-06 22:06 <Ubit> ( of course had to update cmake
2015-10-06 22:06 <Ubit> the autobuild from ll  fails...
2015-10-06 22:07 <Ubit> unless u edit the xml and change the version from 1.3 to 1.2...
2015-10-06 22:07 <linkedinyou> it give me green autobuild icon now seem fine
2015-10-06 22:08 <Ubit> the -m64 option from the readme  doesn't work...
2015-10-06 22:08 <Ubit> well
2015-10-06 22:08 <Ubit> this on win of course
2015-10-06 22:08 <linkedinyou> will compile with windows 32bit and i have vs2010 and vs2013 both installed and can compile it with Eclipse if you want lol
2015-10-06 22:09 <Ubit> :)
2015-10-06 22:09 <Ubit> yr win is 32b ?
2015-10-06 22:10 <linkedinyou> yes i have 32bit and when compiling with 32bit you have to ignore Quick
2015-10-06 22:10 <Ubit> well mine is 64b
2015-10-06 22:11 <Ubit> both my vs2013 and 2015 don't like win32 anymore
2015-10-06 22:12 <linkedinyou> 64bit not freindy with all LL viewer i my old knowledge been compiling sinc 2009 viewers with 32bit and i did with 64bit too
2015-10-06 22:12 <linkedinyou> oh it is beouse the vs2013 and vs2015 man
2015-10-06 22:12 <linkedinyou> becouse*
2015-10-06 22:13 <Ubit> well they do compile 32b..  just need to be told so... 
2015-10-06 22:13 <Ubit> the 2013 even has a toolset for that...
2015-10-06 22:13 <Ubit> ( failed also :p )
2015-10-06 22:13 <linkedinyou> newer versions yes compile for both
2015-10-06 22:14 <linkedinyou> when compiling it will work in 32 + 64 
2015-10-06 22:14 <Ubit> autobuild worked fine 4 you on the 473 version?
2015-10-06 22:14 <linkedinyou> slow net did not know what version yet
2015-10-06 22:15 <linkedinyou> manifests [====================>                           ] 21498/47693 8m54s
2015-10-06 22:15 <Ubit> ohh back in 15min
2015-10-06 22:15 <linkedinyou> need 8 minutes to clone
2015-10-06 22:19 <Plugh> And we're back. It was lonely in here for a while with just 3 of us.
2015-10-06 22:19 <linkedinyou> welcome back Plugh
2015-10-06 22:19 <Plugh> ty
2015-10-06 22:20 <linkedinyou> i am in with fs to avinationmerge
2015-10-06 22:20 <Plugh> I should update my avnmerge copy
2015-10-06 22:21 <Plugh> hmm... Ubit is slowing down. Only 3 commits in the last couple of days. :)
2015-10-06 22:21 <linkedinyou> i did clone just an hour ago for frist time and discovering how much errors it would through in my face lol
2015-10-06 22:22 <Plugh> oh? 
2015-10-06 22:22 <Plugh> How were you building it?
2015-10-06 22:22 <linkedinyou> yeah just the xengine for now as i test games
2015-10-06 22:22 <Plugh> I'm rebuilding now
2015-10-06 22:23 <linkedinyou> i built it on SUSE with monodevel all the latest as it is fresh server
2015-10-06 22:23 <Plugh> Build finished with no errors in 72.4 seconds.
2015-10-06 22:24 <Plugh> ok.
2015-10-06 22:24 <Plugh> I'm using mono 3.2.8
2015-10-06 22:24 <linkedinyou> great
2015-10-06 22:25 <Plugh> If you are working on improving xengine that is good. It needs some help.
2015-10-06 22:25 <linkedinyou> mono 3.0.6
2015-10-06 22:25 <linkedinyou> mono dose not matter 
2015-10-06 22:26 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-10-06 22:29 <Ubit> back
2015-10-06 22:29 <Ubit> yeap lost time loosing the battle to compile fs :)
2015-10-06 22:30 <Ubit> have several things to change... but possible not nice bf full merge
2015-10-06 22:30 <Plugh> oh, compiling viewers is a pita, or it was when I first started trying to do that. I usually gave up after a while and try again weeks/months later. Took me a very long time before I had my first successful viewer build. 
2015-10-06 22:30 <linkedinyou> welcome back
2015-10-06 22:31 <linkedinyou> it is not compiling sl script in fs 
2015-10-06 22:31 <Ubit> singu does compile easy still
2015-10-06 22:31 <Plugh> oh, still having that problem? hm...
2015-10-06 22:31 <Plugh> Once I did my first viewer build, the others went easily enough.
2015-10-06 22:31 <Ubit> at least in my box with vs2010 still... 
2015-10-06 22:31 <Plugh> although by others I think I only did FS apart from Sing.
2015-10-06 22:32 <linkedinyou> i compiled pheonix and greenlife earliy in 2009 i think 2008
2015-10-06 22:32 <Plugh> ok. Never tried it with VS. Don't have that on my machine.
2015-10-06 22:32 <Plugh> dinner time. bbl.
2015-10-06 22:32 <linkedinyou> remmber greenlife lol
2015-10-06 22:32 <Ubit> so it compiled linkedinyou ? :)
2015-10-06 22:34 <linkedinyou> i mean in fs i am trying to compile it dose not neither by mono or lsl compilers
2015-10-06 22:34 <linkedinyou> trying to compile games
2015-10-06 22:34 <linkedinyou> nothing work 
2015-10-06 22:34 <Ubit> you managed to connect to yr grid ?
2015-10-06 22:34 <linkedinyou> and cloning firestorm not yet still downloading clone lol
2015-10-06 22:34 <linkedinyou> yes managed thank God 
2015-10-06 22:35 <Ubit> so compile errors ?
2015-10-06 22:35 <Ubit> ( the recompile on the build menu is broken in fs ) 
2015-10-06 22:35 <Ubit> fs on opensim..  seems to work at sl grrr
2015-10-06 22:36 <linkedinyou> in fs it popupwindow given me lots of errors
2015-10-06 22:37 <Ubit> odd
2015-10-06 22:37 <linkedinyou> at System.Reflection.MethodBase.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Object[] parameters) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0    at OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Shared.Sc
2015-10-06 22:37 <linkedinyou> it is all about the sl games i am using it work fine in master
2015-10-06 22:38 <Ubit> hmm never got those errors here
2015-10-06 22:38 <linkedinyou> one game i would love to raise as i gave it is physic issue to Robert
2015-10-06 22:39 <linkedinyou> for me i have unresolved issues for games since long time in master but those games working fine in master
2015-10-06 22:40 <Ubit> those scripts may need modules u didn't config
2015-10-06 22:41 <linkedinyou> it is about colide in bulletsim
2015-10-06 22:41 <Ubit> u can test ubOde
2015-10-06 22:42 <linkedinyou> it dose not work with ode nor bs but it work with Havok and Havok in the hand of microsoft they just bought it did not give me the time to buy the licinence lol
2015-10-06 22:42 <Ubit> :)
2015-10-06 22:42 <linkedinyou> what is ubOde?
2015-10-06 22:43 <Ubit> a little better ode
2015-10-06 22:43 <linkedinyou> you made it?
2015-10-06 22:43 <Ubit> yeap
2015-10-06 22:43 <linkedinyou> ok will see that
2015-10-06 22:44 <Ubit> ( don't forget u need to change also the mesh... er )
2015-10-06 22:44 <Ubit> ( i keep forgetting and a made them :p =
2015-10-06 22:44 <linkedinyou> as i stopped thinking about Havok and taking bills and see doctors since Microsoft impact me on face with the bad news lol
2015-10-06 22:45 <linkedinyou> lindenmesh.cs?
2015-10-06 22:45 <Ubit> well guess thats just business
2015-10-06 22:45 <Ubit> ms does have games and game boxes
2015-10-06 22:46 <Ubit> possible more direct use for havoc than intel
2015-10-06 22:46 <linkedinyou> ms is smart always
2015-10-06 22:46 <linkedinyou> true as they said 
2015-10-06 22:47 <linkedinyou> will open it for more contributers companies they will not look at me indivual they said compnies lol
2015-10-06 22:47 <Ubit> guess havoc will keep having its marketing 
2015-10-06 22:48 <linkedinyou> i guess about 100 compnies had there own contributing to Havok already LL one of them
2015-10-06 22:48 <Ubit> they will not loose all the clients they have or give up new ones
2015-10-06 22:48 <linkedinyou> they can not stop updating to 100 compnies and lose profit man
2015-10-06 22:48 <linkedinyou> true 
2015-10-06 22:49 <linkedinyou> becouse they all uses intel
2015-10-06 22:49 <Ubit> ms will just have a foot inside for their gaming needs i guess
2015-10-06 22:49 <linkedinyou> more modules more intels clients
2015-10-06 22:49 <Ubit> hmm xbox didn't use intel i think
2015-10-06 22:50 <linkedinyou> what they uses?
2015-10-06 22:50 <Ubit> think it was ibm cpu
2015-10-06 22:52 <linkedinyou> Custom 1.75 GHz AMD 8-core APU (2 quad-core Jaguar
2015-10-06 22:52 <Ubit> thats the gpu 
2015-10-06 22:52 <linkedinyou> Memory    8 GB DDR3 (5 GB available to games)[14]
2015-10-06 22:52 <linkedinyou> they still uses DDR3
2015-10-06 22:52 <Ubit> well don't know now..
2015-10-06 22:52 <Ubit> original was ibm + ati  if i remember well
2015-10-06 22:54 <Ubit> now its even possible ibm allowed amd to integrate the cpu with the gpu on a single die
2015-10-06 22:54 <linkedinyou> with multi-threads?
2015-10-06 22:54 <Ubit> multicores 
2015-10-06 22:55 <Ubit> hmm 8 it seems
2015-10-06 22:55 <Ubit> 2 reserved for the OS, 6 free for the games so i read...
2015-10-06 22:56 <Ubit> ohh the chip is even labeled "microsoft" :)
2015-10-06 22:57 <linkedinyou> thank God my brain not labled microsoft hahahah man everything is Bill Gated
2015-10-06 22:57 <linkedinyou> lol
2015-10-06 22:58 <linkedinyou> Bill Gate belongs now 79.2 billion USD 
2015-10-06 22:59 <linkedinyou> i paid him by the way without my 10000 USD he wont have this much lol
2015-10-06 22:59 <Ubit> :)
2015-10-06 23:00 <Ubit> well ibm did it as a custom design not own product,, so normal its labeled microsoft
2015-10-06 23:01 <Ubit> ".. Xenon is the CPU that is used in the Xbox 360. The processor, internally codenamed Waternoose by IBM and XCPU by Microsoft .."  
2015-10-06 23:01 <Ubit> they even didn't named it the same way lol
2015-10-06 23:01 <linkedinyou> lol 
2015-10-06 23:02 <Ubit> design is a 64-bit PowerPC architecture
2015-10-06 23:03 <linkedinyou> it is by microsoft then labeld BillGated
2015-10-06 23:03 <Ubit> ooops there was a xbox with a intel pentium III ?
2015-10-06 23:03 <linkedinyou> all of xbox customed by microsoft with many names
2015-10-06 23:07 <linkedinyou> ibm ms nvidia ati they communicate very closely even with there competetions they still customise what benifit them togather ,,,, what a capitalism ,,,, 
2015-10-06 23:08 <linkedinyou> they deserve to be on top of the peak 
2015-10-06 23:10 <linkedinyou> files [=======>                                            ]  6143/39666 2h26m
2015-10-06 23:11 <linkedinyou> 2h26m lol
2015-10-06 23:11 <linkedinyou> for fs to be cloned slow net here
2015-10-06 23:23 <Ubit> so fs compiled? :)
2015-10-06 23:24 <linkedinyou> now finished
2015-10-06 23:24 <linkedinyou> will compile it in 5 minutes lol
2015-10-06 23:25 <Ubit> ok the 473 version
2015-10-06 23:27 <linkedinyou> C:\code\phoenix-firestorm-lgpl>hg sum parent: 47692:7a9434115a83 tip
2015-10-06 23:27 <linkedinyou> what i shall use Ubit
2015-10-06 23:28 <Ubit> i tried the firestom 473
2015-10-06 23:28 <linkedinyou> why not the latest?
2015-10-06 23:28 <linkedinyou> as it is where avination where developed?
2015-10-06 23:28 <Ubit> bc this is the version i have 
2015-10-06 23:29 <Ubit> think its the last release
2015-10-06 23:30 <Ubit> yeap
2015-10-06 23:31 <Ubit> hmm tip is several commits ahead.. 200? :)
2015-10-06 23:32 <linkedinyou> yes i guess this is the latest master
2015-10-06 23:34 <linkedinyou> just do this to get the latest hg pull -u
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2015-10-07 12:19 <jmferrer_paradig> Hi. I want to integrate opensim with a git repository to version objects. Is there any work in progress?
2015-10-07 12:20 <jmferrer_paradig> Versioning objects from inside OpenSim of course.
2015-10-07 15:27 <nebadon> jmferrer_paradig I know some have talked about it before, not sure how feasible something like that is for opensim
2015-10-07 15:28 <nebadon> in my head it seems like there are much better ways of backing up opensim
2015-10-07 15:57 <Melanie_T> jmferrer_paradig: it's been done
2015-10-07 15:57 <Melanie_T> jmferrer_paradig: We have such a module, but have found it to be unreliable
2015-10-07 15:58 <Melanie_T> jmferrer_paradig: we experienced repository corruption and complete loss of objects
2015-10-07 15:59 <Melanie_T> jmferrer_paradig: it may have been a fault of the c# git implementation or a bug in the module
2015-10-07 19:09 <elmanytas> Hi, I am jmferrer.parad .
2015-10-07 19:10 <elmanytas> I want to integrate opensim with github. Has done somebody it before?
2015-10-07 19:10 <elmanytas> Is there some available code to improve?
2015-10-07 21:31 <w-t-h> elmanytas, checkout the project by QantumObject
2015-10-07 21:31 <w-t-h> https://github.com/QuantumObject/docker-opensimulator
2015-10-07 21:32 <JeffKelley> containerized opensim ?
2015-10-07 21:33 <w-t-h> that should automatically pull working deltas for all changes, however that is a downstream project in no way associated with opensimulator.org which will contain the most up-to-date sources
2015-10-07 21:34 <w-t-h> wow their aboutus page has funny typos
2015-10-07 21:36 <elmanytas> thank you w-t-h, i will checkout it
2015-10-07 21:37 <w-t-h> http://www.quantumobject.com/forum/how-to
2015-10-07 21:40 <w-t-h> here's their notes for opensim:   http://www.quantumobject.com/forum/how-to/quantumobject-docker-containers-2/how-to-use-quantumobject-opensimulator-docker-container-47
2015-10-07 21:44 <Jsync> So, I guess the Diva Terms of Service feature is not included in Wifi, though is just a Diva-distro feature?
2015-10-07 22:51 <Plugh> Just because I do the tech support for a grid I'm expected to know the answers for all the weirdness of the code.
2015-10-07 22:52 <Plugh> Now it seems that mesh items that get uploaded and saved to inventory show a different name when they are rezzed from their name in inventory name.
2015-10-07 23:20 <Ubit> ?
2015-10-07 23:20 <Ubit> on master ?
2015-10-07 23:34 <Ubit> hmm name may came from diferent places
2015-10-08 01:00 <Plugh> Ubit: no, on 080PF. It doesn't make sense it should start doing this out of the blue. People have been uploading and using mesh for a long time. 
2015-10-08 01:00 <Ubit> but what changed=
2015-10-08 01:00 <Ubit> ?
2015-10-08 01:00 <Ubit> its the merge ?
2015-10-08 01:01 <Ubit> ohh change was on master ?
2015-10-08 01:01 <Plugh> huh?
2015-10-08 01:01 <Plugh> I'm running 0.8.0-post-fixes branch. 
2015-10-08 01:01 <Ubit> and that has the naming issue ?
2015-10-08 01:01 <Plugh> Nothing to do with either master or avination branch.
2015-10-08 01:01 <Plugh> That is what I'm being told. 
2015-10-08 01:02 <Ubit> well merge upload is diferent.. don't remember where it gets the name to put into inventory
2015-10-08 01:03 <Ubit> from the root prim i guess ?
2015-10-08 01:03 <Plugh> The name for the item appeared to be ok when the item was in the avatars inventory. Once they drag the item out of inventory to rez it the name changes.
2015-10-08 01:04 <Ubit> root prim name != name in inventory
2015-10-08 01:05 <Plugh> I've uploaded mesh and the item still had the right name after I rezzed it.
2015-10-08 01:05 <Plugh> I thought the root prim name is the name of the item as it is in inventory
2015-10-08 01:06 <Plugh> When I link prims, the name of the last prim I select in a set of prims to be linked becomes the name of the item and is the name of the item in inventory.
2015-10-08 01:07 <Ubit> yeap
2015-10-08 01:08 <Ubit> not sure how its on merge.. let me see
2015-10-08 01:10 <Plugh> Do you know anything about the setting MeshImportUseSLM that can be seen in the viewers debug settings section?
2015-10-08 01:11 <Ubit> think it uses another file format (SLM) 
2015-10-08 01:11 <Ubit> but never played with it
2015-10-08 01:13 <Ubit> ohh i sitll have the option to actually store the mesh
2015-10-08 01:13 <Ubit> hmm somewhere :)
2015-10-08 01:14 <Ubit> im mean with a inventory item
2015-10-08 01:15 <Ubit> item.Name = assetName;
2015-10-08 01:15 <Ubit> hmm seems assetname is not root part name
2015-10-08 01:15 <Ubit> but model name
2015-10-08 01:18 <Ubit> ahh but i do name the prims
2015-10-08 01:18 <Ubit> i mean merge renames prims
2015-10-08 01:18 <Ubit>                        if (grp == null)                            prim.Name = assetName;                        else                            prim.Name = assetName + "#" + i.ToString();
2015-10-08 01:19 <Ubit> ( grp is null on first prim )
2015-10-08 01:20 <Ubit> so on merge if i read right rootprim name == invetory name == model name
2015-10-08 01:33 <Plugh> I'll have to get together with someone who has the problem so I can see the problem for myself, check the name the item gets when rezzed, and check their inventory in the database.
2015-10-08 01:34 <Ubit> or check code in 0.8.0   age :)
2015-10-08 01:36 <Plugh> AFAIK, the people are doing something they have done in the past but seeing different behaviour. I need to get their attention to obtain more information.
2015-10-08 01:37 <Ubit> speaking about that...
2015-10-08 01:40 <Ubit> errr the ini.example  
2015-10-08 01:41 <Plugh> what about it?
2015-10-08 01:42 <CakeDog> Plugh: What viewer are you on.
2015-10-08 01:42 <Ubit> have to change it also  :)
2015-10-08 01:44 <Plugh> CakeDog: Doesn't matter. I'm not the one seeing the problem. I've been told it has happened to several people, two (or was it three) different viewers used, and in different regions.
2015-10-08 01:45 <Plugh> bbiab. I have to go wire up a microcontroller so I can continue work on some software for it.
2015-10-08 01:45 <Ubit> what micro ?
2015-10-08 01:46 <Plugh> ATMEL ATtiny45.
2015-10-08 01:46 <Ubit> hmm ok never played with those
2015-10-08 01:46 <Plugh> 4K program memory and a whopping 256 bytes of RAM. :)
2015-10-08 01:46 <Ubit> well did some minor work on a arduino
2015-10-08 01:47 <Ubit> atmega something :)
2015-10-08 01:47 <Plugh> usually a 328.
2015-10-08 01:47 <Ubit> i use more microchip
2015-10-08 01:47 <Ubit> err not a 12f508  Pleassseeeee
2015-10-08 01:47 <Plugh> Still an AVR uC at heart. I just code directly in C for the chip without that pseudo C like language and libraries used for Arduino.
2015-10-08 01:48 <Ubit> yeap i didnt like that much
2015-10-08 01:48 <Ubit> nice easy.. but.. well
2015-10-08 01:48 <Ubit> well its c.. with restrictions :)
2015-10-08 01:48 <Plugh> yea. I doubt I could use Arduino on the '45.
2015-10-08 01:48 <Plugh> its sort of C.
2015-10-08 01:49 <Ubit> i even don't use c on this micros
2015-10-08 01:49 <Ubit> except  pic32
2015-10-08 01:49 <Ubit> programming a mips in asm, not that fun :)
2015-10-08 01:50 <Plugh> The AVR's have an instruction set optimized for C. The C compiler is free. I could code in ASM if I needed to but I don't. Unless I need to get creative to squeeze the code in to the small memory space.
2015-10-08 01:50 <Plugh> I've code 8086 in asm.
2015-10-08 01:50 <Ubit> yeap i did like atmel  but was forced to use microchip
2015-10-08 01:50 <Plugh> What isn't fun is to code DSP chips in assembler. Not that I have ever tried that.
2015-10-08 01:50 <Ubit> and stayed with microchip
2015-10-08 01:50 <Ubit> i did 
2015-10-08 01:51 <Ubit> with old tms 30010 ?
2015-10-08 01:51 <Ubit> and analod devices adsp2100 ??
2015-10-08 01:51 <Plugh> I have a development board with a TMS something or other. I forget the actual part number.
2015-10-08 01:51 <Plugh> Maybe 32C010 or something like that.
2015-10-08 01:51 <Ubit> well this where early 80's :)
2015-10-08 01:51 <Ubit> thats more recente
2015-10-08 01:51 <Plugh> yea, my DSP board may be of that vintage.
2015-10-08 01:52 <Plugh> TI offered the assembler free, but not the C compiler.
2015-10-08 01:52 <Ubit> the 30010 was grandfather of 32c.. or something :)
2015-10-08 01:52 <Plugh> ok.
2015-10-08 01:52 <Ubit> i did a compiler for the adsp2100 lol
2015-10-08 01:52 <Ubit> i was crazy
2015-10-08 01:53 <Ubit> well took a tiny C compiler for the 8086 and made it a adsp2100 c compiler
2015-10-08 01:53 <Plugh> DSP chips are kind of weird beasts to me. Never spent enough time to get my head around the whole FFT and inverse FFT thing.
2015-10-08 01:53 <Plugh> 
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2015-10-08 01:53 <Ubit> well like mmx and SSE
2015-10-08 01:54 <Ubit> i once did a dct and idct in mmx
2015-10-08 01:54 <Ubit> now for opensim, just went to look for one already done ;)
2015-10-08 01:54 <Ubit> ( using fpu )
2015-10-08 01:55 <Ubit> u seen me pushing it
2015-10-08 01:55 <Ubit> hmm didn't fix the idct.. we don't use it ( still )
2015-10-08 01:56 <Ubit> fft butterflies are funny :)
2015-10-08 02:42 <Plugh> hey, nebadon
2015-10-08 02:44 <nebadon> hello Plugh
2015-10-08 02:53 <Plugh> Ubit: Got the '45 wired up and doing the flashy led thing with a bi-polar LED.
2015-10-08 02:54 <Plugh> Two flashes of red, one of green.
2015-10-08 02:56 <Ubit> nice
2015-10-08 02:56 <Ubit> and the atmel has enought sink/source current for a led ?
2015-10-08 02:57 <Ubit> i do prefer a lot the microchip IO blocks
2015-10-08 02:57 <Ubit> 20ma sink/source 
2015-10-08 02:57 <Ubit> ( well  better not on a 100nf cap :p )
2015-10-08 03:00 <Plugh> Ubit, yes. I'm driving the LED directly with just a single resistor to limit the current.
2015-10-08 03:02 <Ubit> nice
2015-10-08 03:02 <Plugh> I'll be using super bright LED's so I can keep the current low for the LED. Trying to save power as much as possible.
2015-10-08 03:03 <Ubit> yeap
2015-10-08 03:03 <Ubit> u can pulse them u know ?
2015-10-08 03:03 <Ubit> eye will not see..
2015-10-08 03:04 <Ubit> well most 7seg displays where scaned using that
2015-10-08 03:04 <Plugh> yeah, that's a later version of software. Use PWM to allow variable brightness.
2015-10-08 03:04 <Ubit> well i was thinking about consumption
2015-10-08 03:05 <Plugh> yeah. That too. 
2015-10-08 03:05 <Ubit> so no need for a true variable pwm
2015-10-08 03:06 <Plugh> The resources are limited so the programming can get tricky to keep track of everything going on. 
2015-10-08 03:06 <Ubit> 256 bytes limited?? 
2015-10-08 03:06 <Ubit> thats a lot :)
2015-10-08 03:07 <Plugh> I need two sets of data buffers which only leaves 21 bytes for anything else that needs to be stored in RAM.
2015-10-08 03:07 <Ubit> :)
2015-10-08 03:07 <Ubit> have fun then :)
2015-10-08 03:08 <Plugh> yeah. If that RAM is also used for program stack, things will be tight.
2015-10-08 03:08 <Ubit> do it in asm? :p
2015-10-08 03:09 <Plugh> Perhaps. I can do it in C to do an initial generation of asm code then optimize that. I could also change to an '85 and get 512 bytes of RAM.
2015-10-08 03:09 <Plugh> I'll have to see how the program develops.
2015-10-08 03:09 <Plugh> I'm using the '45 as it is what I have in my parts drawers.
2015-10-08 03:09 <Ubit> yeap doing i C to get initial asm is a idea
2015-10-08 03:09 <Plugh> 
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2015-10-08 03:10 <Ubit> but ram..  not sure if c does eat ram
2015-10-08 03:10 <Ubit> at least withtout math and strtok and similar
2015-10-08 03:10 <Plugh> Its getting late and my WiFi is scheduled to shut down for the night in under an hour. Time to take a break from the computer and pick it up again tomorrow.
2015-10-08 03:11 <Ubit> :)
2015-10-08 03:11 <Plugh> I'm going to do a moving average. If I average 1, 2, or 4 data points I can do the average without floating point.
2015-10-08 03:12 <Ubit> a simple IIR doesn't do it ?
2015-10-08 03:12 <Plugh> IIR?
2015-10-08 03:12 <Ubit> infinite impulse response filter :)
2015-10-08 03:13 <Plugh> Um... I'm not getting that sort of variable data. I'm getting strings of GPS position data to average.
2015-10-08 03:13 <Ubit> yn = A*yn-1 + (1-A) * x
2015-10-08 03:13 <Plugh> eww
2015-10-08 03:13 <Ubit> thats like a rc filter
2015-10-08 03:13 <Plugh> I don't think I need anything that complex.
2015-10-08 03:14 <Ubit> its simpler than moving average
2015-10-08 03:14 <Plugh> That's simpler?
2015-10-08 03:14 <Ubit> the * are shifts
2015-10-08 03:14 <Plugh> Oh. Why didn't you just use the normal << or >>?
2015-10-08 03:14 <Ubit> we pic A so its only shits and adds
2015-10-08 03:15 <Ubit> well i do it in asm a lot :)
2015-10-08 03:15 <Ubit> hmm actually also so it in ubOde.. but don't care there.. use floats :)
2015-10-08 03:15 <Plugh> My average using 2 or 4 data points is just doing adds and one or two shifts.
2015-10-08 03:15 <Ubit> result 16bits i guess :p
2015-10-08 03:16 <Plugh> 4 bits.
2015-10-08 03:16 <Ubit> uauu that many ? :)
2015-10-08 03:16 <Plugh> 8 sort of as each byte is an ASCII digit for 0 to 9.
2015-10-08 03:16 <Ubit> atmel has nibble instructions ?
2015-10-08 03:17 <Plugh> I'll be doing average on bytes.
2015-10-08 03:17 <Ubit> errr bin add isnt decimal add at least the result
2015-10-08 03:18 <Ubit> z80 add a nice decimal ajust instruction for that
2015-10-08 03:18 <Ubit> well a few more suport for decimal if i remember
2015-10-08 03:18 <Ubit> but u need a decimal result ?
2015-10-08 03:18 <Plugh> yes
2015-10-08 03:19 <Ubit> ooops :)
2015-10-08 03:19 <Plugh> what oops?
2015-10-08 03:19 <Ubit> nothing .. just code lol
2015-10-08 03:20 <Plugh> Just add four bytes then right shift 1 or 2 bits.
2015-10-08 03:20 <Ubit> and get a bin result not decimal
2015-10-08 03:20 <Plugh> huh?
2015-10-08 03:21 <Plugh> same thing.
2015-10-08 03:22 <Ubit> mb it is.. sometimes it is :)
2015-10-08 03:22 <Plugh> Each byte is an ascii character. Values of 0x30 to 0x39.
2015-10-08 03:23 <Ubit> outch got scared.. forgot i had rez a npc to test the commit :)
2015-10-08 03:23 <Plugh> Adds and shifts still leave me with values in range of 0x30 to 0x39 when I'm done.
2015-10-08 03:23 <Ubit> and bumped against a copy of me :)
2015-10-08 03:23 <Plugh> I've just about got the additional regression tests in place to verify the bug in reading ini files.
2015-10-08 03:24 <Plugh> The ini file reading seems to use some code from Nini and I've managed to locate where on my machine I have the source code for that stuff.
2015-10-08 03:24 <Ubit> :)
2015-10-08 03:25 <Plugh> When I have the regression tests flag report the error in reading ini files I can start working out why the bug exists.
2015-10-08 03:26 <Plugh> s/flag//
2015-10-08 03:26 <Ubit> :)
2015-10-08 03:27 <Ubit> i should try to fix the test i took out of my way on the merge no? :)
2015-10-08 03:27 <Ubit> tests
2015-10-08 03:27 <Plugh> Its weird. Duplicate sections in a single ini don't work right with the second section causing the settings from the first copy of the section to be lost. If a section is duplicated in different ini files the key/values of both sections are combined.
2015-10-08 03:28 <Plugh> yes. Unless the test was bogus, it should be put back.
2015-10-08 03:28 <Ubit> ( are they all  ?  :P )
2015-10-08 03:28 <Plugh> :)
2015-10-08 03:29 <Ubit> err missed a "n't" on last text :)
2015-10-08 03:29 <Plugh> ok, I'm going to get away from the computer for the night.
2015-10-08 03:29 <Ubit> have fun
2015-10-08 03:29 <Plugh> Going to pick up my guitar for some practice while watching some TV. :)
2015-10-08 03:29 <Plugh> You too.
2015-10-08 05:30 <Ubit> oops quaternion is rotation  :)
2015-10-08 05:31 <osmantis> Bug #7390:04 Script compile error for "if (vector)" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7390 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-10-08 05:34 <osmantis> Bug #7380:04 Key being evaluated as a boolean improperly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7380 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-10-08 05:39 <osmantis> Bug #7380:04 Key being evaluated as a boolean improperly implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7380 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-10-08 16:28 <Jsync> Whom was it that was talking about porting a viewer for an internet browser?
2015-10-08 17:11 <nebadon> Jsync.. everyone? lol Moses said they were interested in one
2015-10-08 17:11 <nebadon> everyone wants one
2015-10-08 17:12 <nebadon> after extensive testing I think a SL/OpenSim in web browser concept is a long long ways off
2015-10-08 17:12 <nebadon> WebGL is not nearly as powerful as regular OpenGL is
2015-10-08 17:12 <nebadon> not to mention you run into 32 bit limits very quickly
2015-10-08 17:13 <nebadon> it would be very reliant on Javascript
2015-10-08 17:13 <nebadon> there are a lot of trade offs for a web browser native viewer
2015-10-08 17:13 <nebadon> it would look very very different from what we are used to seeing and experiencing
2015-10-08 17:14 <Plugh> WebGL is only 32-bit?
2015-10-08 17:14 <nebadon> no but must web browsers are
2015-10-08 17:15 <nebadon> so if you want your app to work for eveyrone you hit the low hanging fruit first
2015-10-08 17:15 <nebadon> which is a very big 32 bit wall
2015-10-08 17:15 <nebadon> generally your limits to just 512mb memory
2015-10-08 17:15 <Plugh> 
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2015-10-08 17:15 <nebadon> if your want it to work everywhere
2015-10-08 17:15 <nebadon> 64 bit web is pretty much limited to Linux
2015-10-08 17:16 <nebadon> maybe mac
2015-10-08 17:16 <nebadon> but webgl on mac is practically non-existant
2015-10-08 17:41 <Jsync> I'm curious, though shouldn't I be able to host a site with apache2 server on my local lan that's got the address "dra.jsync.hn" & it work? 
2015-10-08 17:45 <Jsync> I want to setup a pseudo network on my local lan so I can test some things, including a potential mod addon for Chromium browser that will have some basic OpenSim viewer capabilities is my hope.
2015-10-08 17:45 <nebadon> as long as it all resolves jsync
2015-10-08 17:45 <nebadon> also depends on how apache is configured
2015-10-08 17:45 <nebadon> if its configured to use vhosts and names etc..
2015-10-08 17:45 <nebadon> vs a single site
2015-10-08 17:46 <nebadon> but ya as long as its all configured correctly there is no problem limiting apache to lan usage
2015-10-08 17:46 <nebadon> i do it all the time for dev work
2015-10-08 17:47 <Jsync> Yeah, that's what I was wanting to do as well. As long as my dev space is private, I can get a lot more accomplished
2015-10-08 20:05 <Jsync> Heyya, does anybody here know about registering domain names & making at home nameservers?
2015-10-08 20:07 <Plugh> There are plenty of domain name registrars on the net. For an at home name server you can use bind. If you are on WIndows I'm not sure what you would use.
2015-10-08 20:08 <Jsync> I use Linux.
2015-10-08 20:08 <Jsync> The name server is secondary to the host, right? I have an apache2 install for the pages.
2015-10-08 20:11 <Plugh> Not sure what you mean by secondary. You can tell Linux what name servers to use by changing the contents of /etc/resolv.conf
2015-10-08 20:11 <Plugh> You can also add static name/ip mappings to /etc/hosts.
2015-10-08 20:12 <Jsync> I have my local 127.0.0.1 for the first domain I thought to attempt to self-register
2015-10-08 20:12 <Jsync> In /etc/hosts
2015-10-08 20:13 <Jsync> That's not a very clear phrase for that
2015-10-08 20:13 <Jsync> :/
2015-10-08 20:13 <Jsync> I set 127.0.0.1 swg.hn for my first domain
2015-10-08 20:13 <Jsync> I didn't want .com
2015-10-08 20:15 <JeffKelley> buy a domain name a create a A record for your home IP ; no need to run a nameserver on your own
2015-10-08 20:15 <Jsync> I wanted to avoid spending $20/domain name each year
2015-10-08 20:16 <Jsync> I thought if I had just a few domains (like -10), that I could save myself $200
2015-10-08 20:16 <Jsync> & I thought to use a custom suffix for my domains. ^.^
2015-10-08 20:17 <JeffKelley> you can create as many subdomains as you want on a first level
2015-10-08 20:18 <Jsync> What's the possibility that I could identify a "hn" to replace the "www"?
2015-10-08 20:18 <Jsync> For "HoloNet"
2015-10-08 20:22 <Plugh> um... no, you shouldn't use a domain name for 127.0.0.1. Save that for your machines IP address.
2015-10-08 20:24 <Plugh> Jsync: You want a name that can be used by other people to access your machine?
2015-10-08 20:24 <Jsync> No, it was for identifying myself as a host of a particular domain
2015-10-08 20:25 <Jsync> My intent, anyway
2015-10-08 20:25 <Jsync> ^.^
2015-10-08 20:25 <Plugh> I still think you will have to pay someone 
2015-10-08 20:26 <Jsync> :/ I wanted to start a "HoloNet" user community. 
2015-10-08 20:26 <Jsync> As a cultural statement
2015-10-08 20:27 <Jsync> Sort of something fun & more pleasant to consider in a contrast to a 'web'.
2015-10-08 20:27 <Jsync> hn.starwarsgrid.com
2015-10-08 20:27 <Jsync> :D
2015-10-08 20:29 <Jsync> I'm curious, is there a way to register without using the "www"? Maybe I could register "hn.com" & host other pages "hn.starwarsgrid.com"?
2015-10-08 20:42 <JeffKelley> if you register hn.com, you can host hn.com, www.hn.com, foo.hn.com, joe.hn.com, carmen.san.diego.hn.com. but not *.starwarsgrid.com
2015-10-08 20:43 <Jsync> got it. So, since I have "starwarsgrid.com", how do I add "hn.starwarsgrid.com"?
2015-10-08 20:44 <Jsync> Do I make that folder parallel to "starwarsgrid.com"?
2015-10-08 20:46 <Jsync> Sorry, I haven't worked on pages in a while. I'll just have to read it again. :/ hehe
2015-10-09 00:37 <velusunivers-sys> what is the min dev version for opensim
2015-10-09 03:53 <Rodger_> Not sure my i cant generate maptiles console turns red lol http://pastebin.com/5ic74pje
2015-10-09 04:14 <Plugh> Have you checked your map generation settings for typos?
2015-10-09 04:16 <Rodger_> yes i have
2015-10-09 04:17 <Rodger_> what seems to be wrong?
2015-10-09 04:18 <Plugh> I can't tell from that message.
2015-10-09 04:18 <Plugh> What is your MapImageModule entry set to?
2015-10-09 04:19 <Rodger_> what ini?
2015-10-09 04:20 <Plugh> OpenSim.ini
2015-10-09 04:20 <Plugh> Is that message appearing after you issue a command via the instance console or via a remote console?
2015-10-09 04:20 <Rodger_> MapImageModule = "MapImageModule"
2015-10-09 04:21 <Rodger_> instance console
2015-10-09 04:21 <Rodger_> but i do have remote console too
2015-10-09 04:21 <Plugh> What command did you type to trigger the error?
2015-10-09 04:21 <Rodger_> generate map
2015-10-09 04:24 <Plugh> 0.8.1-dev? Is that code from git master?
2015-10-09 04:24 <Plugh> "generate map" worked for me on a standalone running 0.8.1-post-fixes
2015-10-09 04:25 <Rodger_> 0.8.1
2015-10-09 04:25 <Plugh> Did you build it yourself or download it? If you downloaded it, where did  you get it?
2015-10-09 04:27 <Rodger_> built it
2015-10-09 04:28 <Rodger_> its odd looks like its not even attempting to call the map service uri
2015-10-09 04:28 <Rodger_> it does not show in fiddle proxy
2015-10-09 04:28 <Plugh> I don't know what that is.
2015-10-09 04:30 <Rodger_> allows me to see all outgoing http connections
2015-10-09 04:30 <Plugh> The most likely cause of the problem is you have something misconfigured somewhere. OS is a complicated system to set up.
2015-10-09 04:31 <Rodger_> i have it all setup except that
2015-10-09 04:32 <Plugh> The command worked for me in both the 0.8.1-post-fixes and git master versions of OS that I have on my machine.
2015-10-09 04:34 <Plugh> If you want to pastebin your [Map] section I'm not sure what else I can suggest you look at.
2015-10-09 04:36 <Plugh> The error occured in the call to upload the map to your database.
2015-10-09 04:37 <Plugh> Either the maptile service module couldn't be found, or wasn't loaded, the scene doesn't exist, or the generation failed leaving a variable undefined.
2015-10-09 04:37 <Plugh> hm...
2015-10-09 04:39 <Plugh> Are you running as standalone or in grid mode? If you have the instance running more than one region you could select a region before running the command and see if that makes a difference.
2015-10-09 04:40 <Plugh> hey, orenh. Ever heard of 'generate map' on the region console spitting out red text with the somewhat useless message "Object reference not set to an instance of an object"?
2015-10-09 04:41 <orenh> Plugh no. That's a generic error.
2015-10-09 04:42 <Plugh> yea, usually says something wasn't initialized, or was misconfigured.
2015-10-09 04:46 <Rodger_> ok just tried with 0.8.1.1 everything works
2015-10-09 04:47 <Plugh> ok, good.
2015-10-09 04:48 <Plugh> I build from git master so I usually work off branch names.
2015-10-09 04:49 <Plugh> hm... The birds module is throwing red text when shutting down an instance. :P
2015-10-09 04:50 <Plugh> Might be a race condition of some sort.
2015-10-09 12:27 <Jsync> Hey, good morning. I'm curious, what's the typical fault when you connect a region to your grid & you get a "Communications Failure" when you try to teleport to it?
2015-10-09 12:32 <Jsync> Is anybody else awake yet? hehe
2015-10-09 12:35 <Jsync> The Robust sees the region & doesn't give error when I try to tp to it, nor does the region give error. & I set login enable.
2015-10-09 12:36 <Jsync> It's using the same OpenSim.ini file that the various other regions are using, which are located on separate vps servers
2015-10-09 12:57 <Jsync> I think it's the XEngine section. I changed that so that I could enable some ossl functions. That's the only thing different in the couple of OpenSim servers (aside of MySQL stuff & particular ipaddress)
2015-10-09 13:01 <Jsync> Oh. I had Regions.ini [ExternalIP] starwarsgrid.com because somebody told me to do that. :/
2015-10-09 18:53 <Plugh> I've been using mono 3.2.8 to run OS. What version of mono 4 is considered safe to use with OS?
2015-10-09 19:01 <nebadon> ive been using 4.0.4 and 4.3.0 from git master
2015-10-09 19:10 <Plugh> Both are reliable?
2015-10-09 19:11 <nebadon> ya so far no real problems
2015-10-09 19:11 <nebadon> there are some kernels that really anything newer than like mono 3.12 will be problematic
2015-10-09 19:11 <nebadon> wont know until you try though
2015-10-09 19:12 <Plugh> I'm using mono to run Robust for a live grid. I don't want to start messing with changing mono versions if there will be problems.
2015-10-09 19:13 <Plugh> How do you know which kernels will have a problem with a newer mono?
2015-10-09 19:13 <Plugh> other than trying and seeing if something blows up?
2015-10-09 19:13 <nebadon> yea its hard to say
2015-10-09 19:13 <nebadon> some people seem to not have issues, others do
2015-10-09 19:14 <nebadon> I think your architecture and hardware are a factor
2015-10-09 19:14 <nebadon> like how many cpu cores etc..
2015-10-09 19:15 <Plugh> 8 core, 64-bit 3.10.23 Linux kernel.
2015-10-09 19:15 <Plugh> What sort of problems can be encountered.
2015-10-09 19:18 <nebadon> its some kind of threading/ timing issue
2015-10-09 19:18 <nebadon> for me a lot of the time region wont even start it just crashes
2015-10-09 19:18 <nebadon> a little way into the startup
2015-10-09 19:18 <nebadon> its very random failure
2015-10-09 19:18 <nebadon> but also not hard to trigger either
2015-10-09 19:19 <Plugh> ok. I'm more concerned with it causing problems with Robust. Only instances that will be run via mono are for a test grid.
2015-10-09 19:20 <nebadon> ya i would be surprised if it is as easy to trigger on robust
2015-10-09 19:20 <nebadon> robust is not very thread heavy
2015-10-09 19:21 <Plugh> 
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2015-10-09 19:55 <Plugh> I tried to run an exe under mono and it gave me a 'load error'. That may mean a missing dependency but I have mono-complete installed and even installed monodevelop as I read it may include other dependencies that might be needed but it didn't help.
2015-10-09 19:55 <Plugh> The program was compiled on the machine where I tried to run it.
2015-10-09 20:29 <jakdaniels> Plugh: are you able to pastebin the red spew you mentioned that the birds module generated on shutdown?
2015-10-09 20:29 <jakdaniels> yesterday....
2015-10-09 20:29 <Plugh> Let me look for it.
2015-10-09 20:31 <Plugh> http://pastebin.com/aAhAnzUP
2015-10-09 20:32 <jakdaniels> Ah yes, that old NaN thing again, not quoted properly in the database layer
2015-10-09 20:32 <Plugh> That's in 081PF
2015-10-09 20:32 <jakdaniels> it's in all versions. No-one has fixed it yet
2015-10-09 20:33 <Plugh> I haven't tried making sense of the error or where it is occuring. 
2015-10-09 20:33 <jakdaniels> the SQL is written expecting a number not NaN which it interprets as a field name
2015-10-09 20:33 <jakdaniels> I don't know where in the code out of region coordinates are turned into NaNs either
2015-10-09 20:34 <Plugh> Is this in the birds module or in the main OS code?
2015-10-09 20:35 <jakdaniels> the birds module is somehow moving a bird to an out of bounds coordinate.... somewhere in core this becomes NaN, and then the db persistence layer tries to save that number and MySQL interprets NaN as a field name
2015-10-09 20:35 <Plugh> hm... you get the error if you don't wait for all scripts to start before issuing a shutdown.
2015-10-09 20:36 <Plugh> I run with --debug but still doesn't tell me where the error is occuring.
2015-10-09 20:38 <Plugh> bbl
2015-10-09 20:41 <jakdaniels> greping the source for NaN shows it's used quite a lot in physics
2015-10-09 20:42 <jakdaniels> I think if an object tries to move of the side of a region, and there is no adjacent region to move into, then the coordinates end up as NaN
2015-10-09 20:49 <Ubit> why are u on 081 ?
2015-10-09 20:51 <Ubit> seems yr having fights and fixing things that did changed in 082 and even more on avnmerge
2015-10-09 20:57 <velusunivers-sys> what mono version is best for the opensim
2015-10-10 09:39 <Jsync> I need a good scripter to help me. I have an opensource lightsaber script & it's giving me an error in OpenSim in general, regardless of which grid I am in. :/ It's probably some syntax thing peculiar to OpenSim.
2015-10-10 09:46 <Jsync> I do not understand this line of the script, though it reads,
2015-10-10 09:46 <Jsync>  if ((mm0 == "hue")||(mm0=="color")) {
2015-10-10 09:46 <Jsync>                 float hue = hue(llList2String(mm,1));
2015-10-10 09:46 <Jsync>                 set_hue(hue);
2015-10-10 09:48 <Jsync> It gives error with "float hue = hue(llList2String(mm,1)); & says, "Expression denotes a 'variable', where a 'method group' was expected.
2015-10-10 17:11 <Melanie_T> Jsync: you're overwriting the function hue() with the variable float hue
2015-10-10 17:12 <Melanie_T> LSL has different namespaces for functtions and variables
2015-10-10 17:12 <Melanie_T> C# does not
2015-10-10 17:33 <Plugh> Melanie_T: I was having a look at that DTL/NSL money module. The MoneyServer.exe file won't run as it just tosses a "load error" message during startup. Did you ever have that program running and did it require code changes to get it running?
2015-10-10 17:34 <Melanie_T> i have it running and it required no code changes beyond the patches they supply
2015-10-10 17:34 <Melanie_T> i did make code changes in order to allow it to read it's config file from a place other than bin/
2015-10-10 17:34 <Melanie_T> but those don't affect functionality as such
2015-10-10 17:35 <Melanie_T> maybe your mono is too new?
2015-10-10 17:35 <nebadon> is it reliant on SSL
2015-10-10 17:35 <nebadon> i cant get SSL working on newer mono
2015-10-10 17:35 <Melanie_T> well, it's not reliant on it, it works without it
2015-10-10 17:35 <nebadon> which means you cant really use wifi on mono newer than 3.12
2015-10-10 17:35 <Melanie_T> you can make tight firewall rules and run withuot it
2015-10-10 17:35 <Melanie_T> and i am not one to use something newer because it is there. i am very conservative in production
2015-10-10 17:36 <Melanie_T> i run a patched 2.10.9 and see no reason to move off it for now
2015-10-10 17:36 <Melanie_T> if it works, don't fix it
2015-10-10 17:36 <nebadon> well thats a lie, i should have said you cant use WIFI with newer mono if you want it to connect to SSL SMTP
2015-10-10 17:36 <nebadon> which gmail requires
2015-10-10 17:37 <nebadon> and really your kind of nuts to use SMTP without SSL
2015-10-10 17:37 <Melanie_T> smtp was used without ssl for decades
2015-10-10 17:37 <Melanie_T> it's not like wifi's communications are national secrets
2015-10-10 17:37 <Plugh> Melanie_T: ok. The "load error" message isn't very helpful. That may indicate a missing dependency but I already have mono-complete installed and even installed monodevelop as some pages mentioned it supplies some other things that might be needed to run a mono app.
2015-10-10 17:38 <nebadon> all it says is "load error" nothing else?
2015-10-10 17:38 <Melanie_T> the monodevelop gui app is never required
2015-10-10 17:39 <Melanie_T> the "load error" message probably originates from withtin the money server code
2015-10-10 17:39 <Plugh> nebadon: Are you trying to get outgoing email working when the destination is using SSL?
2015-10-10 17:39 <Melanie_T> rather than anything mono
2015-10-10 17:39 <Melanie_T> so grep for it
2015-10-10 17:39 <Melanie_T> and see what triggers it by reading the code
2015-10-10 17:39 <Plugh> nothing found.
2015-10-10 17:40 <nebadon> im trying to get Mono to accept the signed cert for gmail
2015-10-10 17:40 <nebadon> it fails
2015-10-10 17:40 <Plugh> nebadon: oh
2015-10-10 17:40 <nebadon> they broke something in mono
2015-10-10 17:40 <nebadon> i guess
2015-10-10 17:41 <nebadon> you have to run this
2015-10-10 17:41 <nebadon> $ mozroots --import --ask-remove
2015-10-10 17:41 <nebadon> $ certmgr -ssl smtps://smtp.gmail.com:465
2015-10-10 17:41 <nebadon> and it fails on new mono
2015-10-10 17:41 <nebadon> anything beyond 3.12
2015-10-10 17:41 <nebadon> 1 sec i wil get message
2015-10-10 17:42 <Plugh> *** WARNING: Certificate signature is INVALID *** ?
2015-10-10 17:43 <nebadon> thats ok
2015-10-10 17:43 <nebadon> well i'll be damned
2015-10-10 17:43 <Plugh> I get that message on the first two certs. The third is ok. It says I've added 3 to the stores.
2015-10-10 17:43 <nebadon> they fixed it on git master for mono
2015-10-10 17:43 <Plugh> but I'm running an older mono.
2015-10-10 17:43 <nebadon> what mono are you running?
2015-10-10 17:43 <Plugh> 3.2.8
2015-10-10 17:43 <nebadon> im running 4.3.0 on the box i just tried
2015-10-10 17:43 <nebadon> ok 3.2 is older than 3.12
2015-10-10 17:43 <Plugh> What error(s) do you get?
2015-10-10 17:44 <nebadon> none now
2015-10-10 17:44 <nebadon> they must have fixed it
2015-10-10 17:44 <Plugh> ok.
2015-10-10 17:44 <nebadon> id have to try an inbetween version
2015-10-10 17:44 <Plugh> That's good.
2015-10-10 17:44 <nebadon> like 4.0.1
2015-10-10 17:44 <nebadon> was last time i tried and it failed
2015-10-10 17:44 <nebadon> i think
2015-10-10 17:44 <nebadon> i had to revert the avacon grid
2015-10-10 17:44 <nebadon> becasue emails were not going out
2015-10-10 17:44 <nebadon> i'll have to upgrade and try again
2015-10-10 17:45 <nebadon> before though it would instantly fail on the first step if i recall
2015-10-10 17:45 <nebadon> on the mozroots
2015-10-10 17:45 <nebadon> it would spew some error
2015-10-10 17:45 <nebadon> i need to test wifi of course to make sure its actually working
2015-10-10 17:46 <Plugh> 
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2015-10-10 17:46 <nebadon> i wouldnt take this as an endorsment
2015-10-10 18:08 <Plugh> Ah. I just built that DTLNSL currency thing on my own machine and noticed two messages
2015-10-10 18:09 <Plugh> 	/usr/lib/mono/4.5/Microsoft.Common.targets:  warning : Reference 'OpenSim.Framework.Communications' not resolved
2015-10-10 18:09 <Plugh> 	/usr/lib/mono/4.5/Microsoft.Common.targets:  warning : Reference 'OpenSim.Region.Physics.Manager' not resolved
2015-10-10 18:09 <Plugh> So the problem is what I read about for "load error". Missing dependencies.
2015-10-10 18:09 <Plugh> Or ones where something must have been renamed in versions of OS since that module was last modified.
2015-10-10 18:27 <Jsync> Hey guys, is it difficult to configure the money module & get it working? I was thinking about a simple game currency that works with an inworld timer().
2015-10-10 18:36 <Jsync> It seems like someone mentioned having some trouble with the money module. I am a little apprehensive about it. I talked with someone acquainted with OpenSim almost a year ago about that specific thing.
2015-10-10 18:40 <nebadon> there is probably not much in terms of support for the money module
2015-10-10 18:40 <nebadon> ive never used it, I dont think many do use it
2015-10-10 18:42 <Jsync> Hmm. I'd be interested in talking with someone (anyone) whom setup a game currency with the money module. That would be cool to implement. ^.^
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2015-10-10 18:58 <nebadon> Plugh this is the exact problem
2015-10-10 18:58 <nebadon> https://bugzilla.xamarin.com/show_bug.cgi?id=27169
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2015-10-10 18:58 <nebadon> it still seems broken in 4.0.4 i need to test again in 4.3 but im already almost certain its still broken
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2015-10-10 19:00 <Plugh> nebadon: You can run those two commands without error that set up the certs but it doesn't work when you try to use them.
2015-10-10 19:00 <nebadon> well i get the same thing on 4.0.4
2015-10-10 19:00 <Plugh> nebadon: If you build mono from source, I have one word for you that may seem familiar -> bisect  :D
2015-10-10 19:00 <nebadon> it just says the cert is invalid
2015-10-10 19:00 <nebadon> and when i try to send email with wifi the console spews 
2015-10-10 19:01 <nebadon> pretty much exact same message as in that bugzilla report
2015-10-10 19:01 <Plugh> 
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2015-10-10 19:01 <nebadon> miguel acknowledged the problem in february
2015-10-10 19:01 <Plugh> The files that are part of standard OS don't support connection to mail servers using anything other than basic id and password.
2015-10-10 19:02 <nebadon> yea this is all part of wifi itself
2015-10-10 19:02 <Jsync> I can not even connect to gmail with my android phone
2015-10-10 19:02 <Jsync> It's part of the gsmell
2015-10-10 19:02 <nebadon> lol you should be able to
2015-10-10 19:02 <Jsync> These security things are new
2015-10-10 19:03 <nebadon> actually its not new
2015-10-10 19:03 <nebadon> but mono project broke something
2015-10-10 19:03 <nebadon> it worked fine for years
2015-10-10 19:03 <nebadon> still works fine on older mono
2015-10-10 19:03 <Jsync> Actually, my android app is not supported. Gsmell stopped supporting android, or would not wait before they started new security standards
2015-10-10 19:03 <nebadon> that seems super unlikely.. considering android is like gmail the operating system
2015-10-10 19:04 <Plugh> OS uses an old version of DotNetOpenMail which doesn't support most of the current auth systems when sending mail to remote mail servers.
2015-10-10 19:04 <Jsync> My old Android Gmail app worked for years, though then gmail started a new security standard
2015-10-10 19:04 <nebadon> well ya but thats going to happen jsync
2015-10-10 19:04 <nebadon> that doesnt mean google doesnt support android for gmail
2015-10-10 19:04 <nebadon> lol
2015-10-10 19:04 <nebadon> just means that 1 app doesnt
2015-10-10 19:05 <nebadon> android is literally built around gmail
2015-10-10 19:05 <nebadon> hehe
2015-10-10 19:05 <Jsync> android has not released a compatible update yet. ^.^
2015-10-10 19:05 <Plugh> I don't think gmail started a new standard but they may have started using ones.
2015-10-10 19:05 <Jsync> That might be the case, technically, Plugh
2015-10-10 19:05 <nebadon> i would love to blame google, but in my case its xamarin
2015-10-10 19:06 <Jsync> Though before, my android app worked fine, similar before, connecting to email settings worked fine. Now they want SSL & new security standards.
2015-10-10 19:06 <nebadon> miguel pretty much says that verbatim in the bugzilla
2015-10-10 19:06 <nebadon> Jsync thats the NSAs fault
2015-10-10 19:06 <nebadon> haha
2015-10-10 19:06 <nebadon> everyone switched to encrypted
2015-10-10 19:06 <Jsync> I'm sure you're right about that, nebadon
2015-10-10 19:07 <Jsync> Even though you're sort of joking
2015-10-10 19:07 <nebadon> no im not even joking a little
2015-10-10 19:07 <nebadon> lol
2015-10-10 19:07 <Jsync> Because I doubt gmail admin got a call from the President
2015-10-10 19:07 <nebadon> no the opposite, nsa is mad google encrypted
2015-10-10 19:07 <Jsync> Oh, haha
2015-10-10 19:07 <nebadon> google encrypted cause they caught the NSA illegally wiretapping their lines
2015-10-10 19:08 <Jsync> XD
2015-10-10 19:09 <Jsync> Google caught me spying on my dad & blamed the NSA for conspicuous activity because I routed my signal to Washington DC for a joke
2015-10-10 19:10 <Plugh> Jsync: There are 3 money systems available for use with OpenSim if you want to look at them to see what is involved in setting up your own money module.
2015-10-10 19:11 <Jsync> Plugh, have you heard of anyone else whom setup a game currency?
2015-10-10 19:12 <Plugh> yes. They usually have rolled their own system.
2015-10-10 19:12 <Jsync> I think I can legally even sell game credits, though I can't trade that back to US$ or something.
2015-10-10 19:13 <Jsync> I want to just have a timer event determine money added & maybe make a scripting function for adding money to an account via game objects (Like a job at the bantha burger, or something)
2015-10-10 19:13 <Plugh> That should be ok, but IANAL  :)
2015-10-10 19:15 <nebadon> realistically if you are dealing in any kind of real money, should consult a lawyer/accountant
2015-10-10 19:15 <Jsync> danbanner fixed my lightsaber script, btw. I wrote about that this morning & asked for help, then I ran into him in OSG. He was really helpful. :)
2015-10-10 19:15 <nebadon> do not rely on advice from IRC :)
2015-10-10 19:16 <Plugh> nebadon: Is that advice? ;)
2015-10-10 19:16 <Jsync> Yeah nebadon, though somebody mentioned it in detail & pointed out the particular law. It's something to do with US regulations. In various other countries it's not a problem
2015-10-10 19:17 <nebadon> lol Plugh
2015-10-10 19:17 <Melanie_T> Jsync: you could always put the jedi magic on the IRS
2015-10-10 19:17 <Jsync> I can't remember what the law is called. Melanie_T mentioned it as well. It's an acronym that has to do with those regulations
2015-10-10 19:17 <Melanie_T> "These are not the funds you're looking for"
2015-10-10 19:17 <Jsync> right. lol!
2015-10-10 19:18 <H-H-H> hmmmm low on funds you are
2015-10-10 19:18 <Jsync> hehe
2015-10-10 19:18 <Melanie_T> the new regulation framework is a FINCEN (treasury dept.) rule
2015-10-10 19:19 <IgorVorotiloff> Melanie_T: There are some days, you were looking in the webmap url. I found it; are you still interested in that address?
2015-10-10 19:19 <Melanie_T> you need to become what is known as a MSG (Money Service Business) to convert both ways
2015-10-10 19:19 <nebadon> your downloading it from osgrid Igor?
2015-10-10 19:19 <H-H-H> i use nsl money system but it is purely in game only
2015-10-10 19:19 <IgorVorotiloff> Yes
2015-10-10 19:19 <Jsync> Melanie_T, you should list that address. I appreciate the software
2015-10-10 19:19 <Melanie_T> you can sell you game credits without that
2015-10-10 19:19 <Melanie_T> as long as you don't redeem them for cash
2015-10-10 19:20 <Melanie_T> IgorVorotiloff: yes please
2015-10-10 19:20 <IgorVorotiloff> http://download.osgrid.org/webmap_v1.2.zip
2015-10-10 19:20 <nebadon> ya thats the one :)
2015-10-10 19:20 <Melanie_T> ok
2015-10-10 19:20 <Jsync> & list the minimap module as well
2015-10-10 19:20 <nebadon> i pasted it to you couple days ago too Melanie_ you were probably afk
2015-10-10 19:20 <Jsync> I still have to tear into those.
2015-10-10 19:20 <nebadon> ya quickmap
2015-10-10 19:20 <nebadon> http://download.osgrid.org/quickmap.zip
2015-10-10 19:20 <Jsync> right, "quickmap"
2015-10-10 19:21 <nebadon> http://quickmap.osgrid.org
2015-10-10 19:21 <Jsync> Yah, list those. Great helps!
2015-10-10 19:21 <Melanie_T> my webmap includes the quickmap code
2015-10-10 19:21 <nebadon> yea
2015-10-10 19:22 <Melanie_T> nebadon: i'm planning to put it on github
2015-10-10 19:22 <Melanie_T> and i'd lost the archive filw here :)
2015-10-10 19:22 <nebadon> yea
2015-10-10 19:22 <Jsync> I am going to attempt to make my quickmap point to a particular section of the map that's specific to a particular planet theme area. I am going to attempt to use a galaxy map & just point to different quickmaps for the different planets.
2015-10-10 19:22 <nebadon> we had it safe and sound :)
2015-10-10 19:22 <nebadon> with some light instructions added
2015-10-10 19:23 <Melanie_T> the istructions were what i was after
2015-10-10 19:23 <Melanie_T> i have the code :)
2015-10-10 19:23 <nebadon> the instructions are crazy basic, but many people have succeeded using them
2015-10-10 19:23 <nebadon> so good enough :)
2015-10-10 19:25 <Plugh> What are those map things?
2015-10-10 19:25 <Jsync> Does anybody remember whom it was that setup the page for their grid that allowed them to select an avi from a series of pictures of different avis? It was like a mockup of the secondlife page. It looked really good.
2015-10-10 19:25 <Plugh> I've seen several people do that. I wrote something to that ages ago.
2015-10-10 19:26 <Plugh> oh, great. Just when I'm almost fixed the thing I'm working on the cat starts calling for me. :P
2015-10-10 19:26 <nebadon> ive seen it also, i dont know anyone who has actually shared anything like that
2015-10-10 19:26 <nebadon> wifi lets you pick avatar, you should be able to reprogram it to display an image or animation of an avatar too
2015-10-10 19:26 <Jsync> Somebody was showing off their work a couple of weeks ago. It looked great, though I can't remember whom it was.
2015-10-10 19:27 <nebadon> hmm not sure
2015-10-10 19:27 <nebadon> most of the grids who design that stuff hold on to the code
2015-10-10 19:27 <nebadon> mostly because sharing custom code like that is a pain in the ass
2015-10-10 19:27 <Jsync> I need a little notebook near my desk that I can jot notes into
2015-10-10 19:27 <Plugh> success... almost. I need to fix the access info for the database.
2015-10-10 19:28 <Plugh> Jsync: If you are running a Linux machine you can use the Tomboy application.
2015-10-10 19:28 <Plugh> I better go see to this cat. bbl.
2015-10-10 19:28 <H-H-H> 
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2015-10-10 19:30 <Jsync> I haven't heard of "Tomboy". 
2015-10-10 19:33 <Jsync> H-H-H, I am trying to get generic info for a lot of things I am "gonna do" or "fixin to do", as we say down hiar. ;)
2015-10-10 19:35 <Jsync> I really need like 3 other people just like me so I can get some of these things accomplished. ^.^
2015-10-10 19:36 <Jsync> It's like the thing with Allen - I talked with him for 20 minutes or so & was told to figure out a d6 system conversion for my d20 stuff - then I found a series of d6 Star Wars guides. I'd like to use his system though. :)
2015-10-10 19:38 <Jsync> All the things in my list & I have 4 hours of work time remaining in the day.
2015-10-10 19:45 <Jsync> I want to implement an icecast server that autostreams the Star Wars soundtrack; I want to make the Quickmap guide for a few Star Wars planet areas; I want to work on the d6 Myriad implementation for a Star Wars Meter (when I have plenty of time); I want to implement a forum for Star Wars Grid; I want to talk with someone about forum accounts/grid accounts - aligning those or workarounds; So what do I start with?
2015-10-10 19:45 <nebadon> use ices player
2015-10-10 19:45 <nebadon> thats what i do
2015-10-10 19:45 <nebadon> http://grid.nebadon2025.com:6565/scene
2015-10-10 19:46 <nebadon> totally unmanned from the console
2015-10-10 19:46 <Jsync> neb, is that a stream or is that a single song?
2015-10-10 19:46 <nebadon> its like a week worth of music
2015-10-10 19:46 <Jsync> oh nice
2015-10-10 19:46 <nebadon> this is all the music
2015-10-10 19:46 <Jsync> "Iceplayer"?
2015-10-10 19:46 <nebadon> http://icecast.org/ices/
2015-10-10 19:47 <nebadon> this is the player
2015-10-10 19:47 <Jsync> Do you have to plugin the player to a url & run a server somewhere else?
2015-10-10 19:47 <nebadon> all music on my server is from http://scene.org
2015-10-10 19:47 <nebadon> i run icecast server
2015-10-10 19:47 <nebadon> and ices is the command line player
2015-10-10 19:48 <H-H-H> 
ACTION uses icecast with mpd

2015-10-10 19:48 <nebadon> i have a song list of tons of music
2015-10-10 19:48 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/scene.org/
2015-10-10 19:48 <nebadon> and ices just randomly picks songs
2015-10-10 19:49 <nebadon> theoretically it should go days without repeating a song
2015-10-10 19:50 <nebadon> totally dependent of course on how many songs you have
2015-10-10 19:53 <Jsync> Can Icecast be used to stream video as well?
2015-10-10 19:54 <Jsync> If I wanted to throw a party for a "Star Wars: Rebels" marathon, could I use Icecast?
2015-10-10 19:55 <Jsync> I used to be close friends with a guy whom had a video server for SL, though then I started doing SWRP & we lost touch. I'm not sure what he was using.
2015-10-10 19:56 <nebadon> no
2015-10-10 19:57 <nebadon> live streaming video is much more difficult than just audio
2015-10-10 19:57 <nebadon> better off using something like twitch or new youtube video streaming beta
2015-10-10 19:58 <Jsync> Ah. The icecast page said, "streaming media", so I thought to ask.
2015-10-10 19:59 <nebadon> you maybe able to stream prerecorded video
2015-10-10 20:00 <nebadon> well actually you probably can do video, but its a lot more complicated
2015-10-10 20:00 <nebadon> and you could save a few weeks pain by using a predone service
2015-10-10 20:00 <nebadon> like twitch
2015-10-10 20:00 <nebadon> or ustream
2015-10-10 20:00 <Jsync> Yeah, I'm talking about streaming movies or tv shows. Not live video stuff.
2015-10-10 20:00 <nebadon> what we used for OSCC
2015-10-10 20:00 <nebadon> oh
2015-10-10 20:01 <nebadon> you can do that just from apache
2015-10-10 20:01 <nebadon> you dont need anything special if its just mp4
2015-10-10 20:01 <Jsync> Oh, can I?
2015-10-10 20:01 <nebadon> you just need to expose the mp4 to the web
2015-10-10 20:01 <Jsync> haha! That's cool & easy
2015-10-10 20:01 <nebadon> i would suggest using handbrake to convert
2015-10-10 20:01 <nebadon> it has a web stream option checkbox
2015-10-10 20:01 <nebadon> you could also do it from youtube 
2015-10-10 20:02 <Jsync> I use "OpenShot" to convert the files, which works with a degree of error margin
2015-10-10 20:02 <nebadon> yes that is good too
2015-10-10 20:02 <nebadon> since it has youtube option
2015-10-10 20:02 <nebadon> you can just use those videos from your own apache
2015-10-10 20:02 <Jsync> right, the youtube mpeg setting works for most things I noticed
2015-10-10 20:02 <nebadon> i love openshot
2015-10-10 20:02 <nebadon> cant wait for windows version
2015-10-10 20:02 <nebadon> with openshot 2.0
2015-10-10 20:02 <nebadon> if it ever happens
2015-10-10 20:02 <Jsync> It's good software. Really easy to use
2015-10-10 20:03 <nebadon> ya
2015-10-10 20:03 <Jsync> Much easier than doing that stuff with Blender
2015-10-10 20:03 <Jsync> ^.^
2015-10-10 20:03 <nebadon> its my favorite editor there is
2015-10-10 20:03 <Jsync> I wish there was a "Return to Zero" feature. I had clipping at the end of a movie & deleting all the beginning, like an hour of video, then dragging that to the start.
2015-10-10 20:04 <nebadon> i made this with openshot
2015-10-10 20:04 <nebadon> http://projectrep.com/san_jose/San_Jose_Project_006_stream.mp4
2015-10-10 20:04 <Jsync> I hate clipping*
2015-10-10 20:05 <Jsync> That's just a mp4 on your apache, nebadon?
2015-10-10 20:05 <nebadon> yes
2015-10-10 20:05 <nebadon> just plop it in a folder
2015-10-10 20:05 <nebadon> and load it into web browser
2015-10-10 20:05 <Jsync> Did you export using openshot?
2015-10-10 20:05 <nebadon> not that one this one was from handbrake
2015-10-10 20:06 <nebadon> http://projectrep.com/san_jose/San_Jose_Project_006.mp4
2015-10-10 20:06 <nebadon> that is the openshot version
2015-10-10 20:06 <Jsync> I'm curious what settings give you a good usable .mp4
2015-10-10 20:06 <nebadon> its 2-3 times the size
2015-10-10 20:06 <nebadon> thats why I like handrbake you get much more control
2015-10-10 20:06 <nebadon> not just a few presets for services
2015-10-10 20:06 <nebadon> http://handbrake.fr
2015-10-10 20:07 <Jsync> Oh neat. I'm bookmarking that. Can I upload audio into that & add muted video?
2015-10-10 20:07 <nebadon> no its just for last stage conversion
2015-10-10 20:07 <nebadon> you do all of that in openshot
2015-10-10 20:07 <nebadon> then run what openshot spits out through handbrake for a final pressing 
2015-10-10 20:08 <Jsync> Oh, ok
2015-10-10 20:08 <nebadon> i generally output in a higher quality from openshot
2015-10-10 20:08 <nebadon> like bluray setting or something
2015-10-10 20:09 <nebadon> so what handbrake gets is the highest quality
2015-10-10 20:09 <Jsync> I have this problem with particular files not being compatible with my ps3. We have movie night once a week & I have to use the Youtube mpeg export to view the films, which is a step down from what the video was before I convert it
2015-10-10 20:10 <nebadon> handbrake has presets for various devices
2015-10-10 20:10 <nebadon> the important thing for opensim/second life
2015-10-10 20:10 <nebadon> there is a checkbox that says web optimized or something
2015-10-10 20:10 <nebadon> make sure that is check
2015-10-10 20:10 <Jsync> ps3 doesn't do .avi files
2015-10-10 20:10 <nebadon> use 23 or 24 fps
2015-10-10 20:11 <nebadon> i do constant quality on bitrate
2015-10-10 20:11 <nebadon> set it to 18-20
2015-10-10 20:11 <nebadon> keep resolution below 720x480
2015-10-10 20:11 <Jsync> That's a low res
2015-10-10 20:11 <nebadon> 640x320 is better, you can mess around with quality settings a bit but i would suggest staying below those
2015-10-10 20:11 <nebadon> yea
2015-10-10 20:12 <nebadon> if you want to do it inside the viewer on a prim surface
2015-10-10 20:12 <nebadon> without making everything like 2fps
2015-10-10 20:12 <Jsync> You set it to 720x480 for your OpenSim stuff?
2015-10-10 20:12 <nebadon> yea you really kind of have to
2015-10-10 20:12 <nebadon> or it will run terrible
2015-10-10 20:12 <Jsync> ok
2015-10-10 20:12 <nebadon> just experiment you will see
2015-10-10 20:12 <nebadon> you can probably go a bit more
2015-10-10 20:12 <nebadon> but just remember not everyone has super gaming computer either
2015-10-10 20:12 <Jsync> Yah, thanks. That's definitely on my list of things. :)
2015-10-10 20:13 <Jsync> I've got 500 Star Wars facebook friends my 6th day of having a facebook page for StarWarsGrid.
2015-10-10 20:13 <Jsync> I am thinking I might bring some people to OpenSim
2015-10-10 20:14 <nebadon> here is an example
2015-10-10 20:14 <nebadon> https://ia600500.us.archive.org/25/items/CncdFairlightOrangeFrameranger/frameranger.stream.mp4
2015-10-10 20:14 <Jsync> I sort of panicked at first, like I bit off more than I could chew, though people are understanding about the fact that we're "under construction". ^.^
2015-10-10 20:14 <nebadon> this is pretty much the perfect example of what the Opensim viewers want
2015-10-10 20:15 <nebadon> the quality is good
2015-10-10 20:15 <Jsync> Cool graphic on that page, neb
2015-10-10 20:17 <Jsync> Who did that?
2015-10-10 20:21 <nebadon> its from demoscene competition
2015-10-10 20:22 <nebadon> that one is a 3 groups, CNCD, Fairlight and Orange
2015-10-10 20:22 <nebadon> http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=53647
2015-10-10 20:23 <Jsync> Is it actually a Zelda spoof, or is that a humor to their site?
2015-10-10 20:24 <nebadon> probably both :)
2015-10-10 20:24 <nebadon> the logo is random
2015-10-10 20:24 <Jsync> (It's French I presume)
2015-10-10 20:24 <nebadon> they have logo competitons too
2015-10-10 20:24 <nebadon> its art and code competition
2015-10-10 20:24 <nebadon> like any competitive environment, lots of humor, sarcasm etc.. :)
2015-10-10 20:25 <nebadon> i have video archives of some of it on archive.org
2015-10-10 20:25 <nebadon> i made a big panel for opensim that streams all these videos
2015-10-10 20:25 <nebadon> https://archive.org/search.php?query=nebadon2025
2015-10-10 20:25 <Jsync> The page text is blinking
2015-10-10 20:26 <Jsync> You made that Archive site?
2015-10-10 20:26 <nebadon> no, that is the Internet Archive
2015-10-10 20:27 <nebadon> its like 1000s of TBs of archives
2015-10-10 20:27 <Jsync> Oh. Though it's for video?
2015-10-10 20:27 <nebadon> you can post stuff there to be archived until humanity destroys the earth :)
2015-10-10 20:27 <nebadon> its all kinds of stuff
2015-10-10 20:27 <Jsync> No kidding!
2015-10-10 20:27 <nebadon> https://ia800300.us.archive.org/24/items/KewlersMfx1995/1995.stream.mp4
2015-10-10 20:28 <Jsync> I was looking for something like that. I was asking myself, "What do I do with all this work when I am near passing?"
2015-10-10 20:28 <nebadon> one of my favorite demoscene :)
2015-10-10 20:29 <Jsync> There needs to be a means of archiving html website builds which could later be rehosted. It wouldn't have to be hosted right then, though it would be cool to have a place to deposit that work.
2015-10-10 20:30 <Jsync> A site that posts a suburl & configures to host the html pages as written could be really cool!
2015-10-10 20:32 <nebadon> you can kind of do that on github
2015-10-10 20:33 <Jsync> Oh?
2015-10-10 20:35 <nebadon> well if you have a project, you can host pages on github, that could reference files on archive.org
2015-10-10 20:35 <nebadon> https://pages.github.com/
2015-10-10 20:36 <nebadon> you just push changes to the website same way you push code to a repository basically
2015-10-10 20:37 <nebadon> afk a few 20-30 minutes
2015-10-10 21:12 <Plugh> Jsync: If you are interested in another video editing program for Linux, take a look at Lightworks (http://www.lwks.com/)
2015-10-10 21:16 <Plugh> 
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2015-10-10 21:22 <Ubit> hmm there was a song that had on underground a morse code message ofending the writer previus producer
2015-10-10 21:22 <Ubit> hmm a mike oldfiled one ?
2015-10-10 21:22 <jakdaniels_> I hear it as 'SL' but it's got a confusing echo on it
2015-10-10 21:25 <Plugh> Ubit: cool.
2015-10-10 21:25 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: The morse says E S L
2015-10-10 21:26 <jakdaniels_> yeah I wasn't sure if one dot was an echo
2015-10-10 21:29 <nebadon> yea its funny others have said ES as well
2015-10-10 21:30 <nebadon> Oh, and the morse code is clearly . ... .-... which translates into
2015-10-10 21:30 <nebadon> ES
2015-10-10 21:30 <nebadon> a quote from the comments page
2015-10-10 21:30 <nebadon> no one knows why though, probably coincidental lol
2015-10-10 21:30 <jakdaniels_> Plugh: my morse is not very good so I didn't take the morse test back in '83 and only got a license in UK for VHF. Later I got a full license on HF as well..
2015-10-10 21:30 <nebadon> would have to ask littleb bitchard
2015-10-10 21:31 <nebadon> http://littlebitchard.com/
2015-10-10 21:31 <nebadon> he wrote the song
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2015-10-11 02:24 <Plugh> nebadon: you still here?
2015-10-11 02:25 <Plugh> nebadon: as in ping
2015-10-11 03:09 <nebadon>  hey Plugh, I am now
2015-10-11 03:10 <Plugh> I saw your mention of handbrake earlier. Does it have a way to extract the coding method of one video so you can use those exact settings to encode another video?
2015-10-11 03:10 <nebadon> VLC
2015-10-11 03:10 <Plugh> I had forgotten about HB
2015-10-11 03:10 <Plugh> VLC can do that?
2015-10-11 03:11 <nebadon> ya go to Tools > Codec Info
2015-10-11 03:11 <nebadon> how i usually do it
2015-10-11 03:11 <nebadon> its the most informative method ive found
2015-10-11 03:12 <Plugh> I have a cheap video camera. I wanted to use it as part of a 3D scanning system but it is very picky about the video files. I can play the files it records but I haven't been able to get it to play a video it didn't create.
2015-10-11 03:13 <Plugh> ok. You use the settings from VLC in handbrake or you use VLC to (re)code a video using the settings found by VLC?
2015-10-11 03:13 <nebadon> avidemux is good tool also
2015-10-11 03:13 <nebadon> i use VLC to inpsect files i didnt make
2015-10-11 03:14 <nebadon> to see what the codec details are
2015-10-11 03:14 <Plugh> I get some video info from mplayer when I play a file recorded by the device.
2015-10-11 03:14 <nebadon> bit rates, frame rates, resolution, audio bit rates
2015-10-11 03:14 <Plugh> 
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2015-10-11 03:15 <Plugh> I'll have to try it again sometime. I want to do some experiments with 3D scanning using structured light.
2015-10-11 03:17 <nebadon> ya handbrake will be good for that
2015-10-11 03:17 <nebadon> if you dont want to work with unweildy raw files
2015-10-11 03:17 <nebadon> handbrake does a better job than even the best adobe tools do
2015-10-11 03:18 <nebadon> its very fast too
2015-10-11 03:20 <Plugh> I only have 3 images to project. I've made them into movies by copying the frame multiple times. I just need to code it to a format playable by the video camera.
2015-10-11 03:20 <nebadon> so series of stills?
2015-10-11 03:20 <nebadon> you want virtualdub then
2015-10-11 03:20 <Plugh> yeah
2015-10-11 03:20 <Plugh> what's that?
2015-10-11 03:21 <nebadon> http://www.virtualdub.org/
2015-10-11 03:21 <nebadon> it will sort of run in wine
2015-10-11 03:21 <nebadon> better off running it in your windows vm
2015-10-11 03:21 <nebadon> its very reliant on systems codecs though
2015-10-11 03:21 <nebadon> you will need something like x264vfw too
2015-10-11 03:22 <Plugh> I'll be using my DSLR to capture the images.
2015-10-11 03:22 <nebadon> http://sourceforge.net/projects/x264vfw/
2015-10-11 03:22 <nebadon> right
2015-10-11 03:22 <nebadon> think of virtualdub as the old razer blade and scotch tape video editing tool
2015-10-11 03:23 <Plugh> I have lightworks for video editing if I need it.
2015-10-11 03:23 <nebadon> ya they all kind of have different purposes
2015-10-11 03:23 <nebadon> virtualdub is good for converting series of still images into video
2015-10-11 03:23 <nebadon> or even into animated gifs too
2015-10-11 03:24 <Plugh> oh, I see.
2015-10-11 03:25 <nebadon> i use video editing suites too
2015-10-11 03:25 <nebadon> but a lot of the time they have some good tools and other subpar tools
2015-10-11 03:26 <nebadon> virtualdub is kind of the pinacle for linear editing clipping, or stiching
2015-10-11 03:26 <nebadon> its very light and very fast
2015-10-11 03:26 <nebadon> unlike say Adobe Premiere
2015-10-11 03:26 <Plugh> 
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2015-10-11 03:26 <nebadon> it does one thing really good heh
2015-10-11 03:26 <Plugh> yea, Lightworks is a professional level editing program. Its been used to edit Hollywood movies.
2015-10-11 03:27 <nebadon> its hard to rely on 1 tool
2015-10-11 03:27 <nebadon> avidemux is really great as well
2015-10-11 03:27 <Plugh> I just have the free version of it. Haven't spent much time trying to use it.
2015-10-11 03:27 <nebadon> handbrake is good for streaming
2015-10-11 03:27 <nebadon> virtualdub good for clipping/stiching
2015-10-11 03:27 <Plugh> I don't have much need for video editing most times.
2015-10-11 03:27 <nebadon> avidemux is good for more standard physical media formats
2015-10-11 03:28 <Plugh> hm... virtualdub isn't in the repos for Mint
2015-10-11 03:28 <nebadon> couple those with blender and openshot and you have a full on editing suite for free
2015-10-11 03:28 <nebadon> yes its windows only
2015-10-11 03:28 <nebadon> it does run in wine
2015-10-11 03:28 <nebadon> but you have to also install x264vfw
2015-10-11 03:28 <Plugh> Oh. :P
2015-10-11 03:28 <nebadon> so you have the x264 codec for wine
2015-10-11 03:29 <Plugh> I'd prefer a Linux only solution.
2015-10-11 03:29 <nebadon> ya
2015-10-11 03:29 <nebadon> virtualdub is one of those tools for me
2015-10-11 03:29 <nebadon> its so good
2015-10-11 03:29 <nebadon> i just dont care
2015-10-11 03:29 <nebadon> lol
2015-10-11 03:29 <nebadon> however
2015-10-11 03:29 <nebadon> you can do just about everything virtualdub can with avidemux
2015-10-11 03:30 <nebadon> i used virtualdub for a long time so im really good with it
2015-10-11 03:30 <nebadon> virtualdub though has some amazing filters
2015-10-11 03:30 <nebadon> like old time film and stuff like that
2015-10-11 03:31 <nebadon> i suspect those same filters probbaly work with avidemux too though
2015-10-11 03:32 <nebadon> http://codecpack.co/download/VirtualDub-Filter-Pack.html
2015-10-11 03:34 <Plugh> I have used the CCCP code pack in Windows before. Don't now if it would work with virtualdub
2015-10-11 03:34 <nebadon> if you havent tried openshot you should its really good, super simple
2015-10-11 03:35 <nebadon> any codec packs that your media players pick up
2015-10-11 03:35 <nebadon> it will as well
2015-10-11 03:35 <Plugh> simple is good.
2015-10-11 03:35 <nebadon> the results are as good as any package i have used
2015-10-11 03:35 <nebadon> lots of nice filters too
2015-10-11 03:35 <nebadon> i use chroma key a lot
2015-10-11 03:35 <nebadon> to do overlays
2015-10-11 03:38 <Plugh> ok. So I have both packages. Just have to figure out how to load the codecs in to vdub
2015-10-11 03:39 <nebadon> they will just show up
2015-10-11 03:40 <nebadon> under menu Video > Compression
2015-10-11 03:40 <nebadon> will list available codecs
2015-10-11 03:40 <Plugh> bah. You can only add one filter at a time.
2015-10-11 03:40 <nebadon> ya
2015-10-11 03:40 <nebadon> you kind of go into the settings page if i recall
2015-10-11 03:41 <Plugh> Oh. You put the filters in to the same directory as the program.
2015-10-11 03:41 <nebadon> like i said its very simple
2015-10-11 03:41 <nebadon> its like the notepad of editors
2015-10-11 03:41 <nebadon> but i kind of like that myself
2015-10-11 03:42 <nebadon> its nice cause you can do direct stream copy clipping
2015-10-11 03:42 <nebadon> no recompression
2015-10-11 03:44 <Plugh> ok, I have loads of filters that can be loaded now
2015-10-11 04:00 <nebadon> nice
2015-10-11 04:00 <nebadon> this is an example i made using the old film filter > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzxLtvbRWQ0
2015-10-11 04:29 <Plugh> nebadon: nice. I've seen that before.
2015-10-11 10:29 <Jsync> Hey, does anybody have a Lunar Surface Terrain texture? I am going to make an entrance area for SWGrid. I like what OSG did for theirs. I hate to steal the idea, though that would be the perfect entrance area for SWG. ^.^
2015-10-11 11:40 <Jsync> Oh, ok. They have some really good images on Google for Lunar Surface. Nice!
2015-10-11 16:55 <Ken_S> Can an avinationmerge branch sim and a dev master sim use the same MySQL database,
2015-10-11 16:55 <Ken_S> assuming the new DB fields for the avinationmerge branch have been added?
2015-10-11 17:06 <Melanie_T> do you mean robust or opensim.exe?
2015-10-11 17:06 <Ken_S> Opensim.exe
2015-10-11 17:06 <Melanie_T> yes and no
2015-10-11 17:06 <Ken_S> For example using both in osgrid running off the same MySQL database
2015-10-11 17:07 <Melanie_T> they can use the same database if and only if the data written by the master sim isn't used by an avnmerge sim later on
2015-10-11 17:07 <Melanie_T> so if you care to upgrade the sims running master later
2015-10-11 17:07 <Melanie_T> you're better off giving them a database of their own
2015-10-11 17:08 <Melanie_T> you can of course use the same mysql server
2015-10-11 17:08 <Melanie_T> but change the DSN on the old sims to read something like "legacy" in place of "opensim"
2015-10-11 17:08 <Melanie_T> once you upgrade and Migrations run, you can merge the tables
2015-10-11 17:09 <Ken_S> I have mixed sims using the same MySQL database on my test grid using the avnmerge Robust
2015-10-11 17:09 <Melanie_T> is there a perticular reason for you to want to run master?
2015-10-11 17:09 <Ken_S> and that seems to work OK.
2015-10-11 17:09 <Melanie_T> Ken_S: the issue is when you try to upgrade the master sims
2015-10-11 17:09 <Melanie_T> it will try to run Migrations agains already migrated tables
2015-10-11 17:09 <Ken_S> I dont want to switch ALL OSGrid sims to the new AVN merge code at once.
2015-10-11 17:10 <Melanie_T> and then use the potential invalid data because master sims don't write valid data to the new columns
2015-10-11 17:10 <Ken_S> I'd like to add one or two and see how it goes before switching all the rest.
2015-10-11 17:10 <Ken_S> And they are all currently running off the same database
2015-10-11 17:10 <Melanie_T> do you use different databases for each simulator, or do you use a single database for all?
2015-10-11 17:11 <Melanie_T> e.g. do all prims from all sms go into one prims table
2015-10-11 17:11 <Ken_S> Single database for all sims on a specific server
2015-10-11 17:11 <Melanie_T> or do you have a prims table for each sim?
2015-10-11 17:12 <Ken_S> It is a single MySQL database currently using the dev master default MySQL table configuration.
2015-10-11 17:13 <Ken_S> I do not know if the default dev master MySQL uses a prims table for each sim.
2015-10-11 17:13 <Melanie_T> i don't recommend sharing prims, primitems, primshapes, land and terrain tables between avnmerge and master
2015-10-11 17:13 <Melanie_T> and the default does not
2015-10-11 17:13 <Melanie_T> not seoarate them, i mean
2015-10-11 17:13 <Melanie_T> the default DSN sends all to a database named opensim
2015-10-11 17:13 <Melanie_T> all prims in the same table
2015-10-11 17:14 <Ken_S> So its best to start a new MySQL databse for the avinationmerge sims, and load oars?
2015-10-11 17:14 <Melanie_T> as you know, i don't touch oars with a 10' pole
2015-10-11 17:14 <Melanie_T> as they lack the most important part - script states
2015-10-11 17:15 <Melanie_T> i would just move these sims' table rows to another database in mysql
2015-10-11 17:15 <Melanie_T> but if you're not an experienced sql user, that may be risky, too
2015-10-11 17:16 <Ken_S> I would say most people running sims in osgrid for example would be able/willing to do that.
2015-10-11 17:16 <Ken_S> *would not
2015-10-11 17:17 <Ken_S> I converted all the sims on my test grid to the new merge code, but I am using the same exact database as before.
2015-10-11 17:18 <Melanie_T> if you converted ALL the sims then all the sims write valid data to the columns
2015-10-11 17:18 <Melanie_T> the issue is with mixing them on the same database
2015-10-11 17:18 <Melanie_T> and i can't guarantee there will be troubles
2015-10-11 17:19 <Melanie_T> i just also can't guarantee there won't be
2015-10-11 17:40 <Ken_S> It sounds like detailed documentation will be needed,
2015-10-11 17:40 <Ken_S> or the average sim operator won't be willing to upgrade.
2015-10-11 19:18 <Ubit> physics.. not phsyics :p
2015-10-11 19:47 <H-H-H> hey nebadon are you around?
2015-10-11 20:17 <nebadon> hello H-H-H
2015-10-11 20:22 <H-H-H> its ok i figured it out now ty i was d found it in the logs :) ty anyway
2015-10-11 20:22 <nebadon> cool :)
2015-10-11 20:22 <H-H-H> you have used openshot to iirc ?
2015-10-11 20:24 <H-H-H> i have a video i recorded as mp4 and when i add it to timeline in openshot the colours are wierd yet it plays fine in preview, ive seen this is a known issue but wondered if you had seen it or knew of a way round it?
2015-10-11 20:28 <nebadon> i have not seen that
2015-10-11 20:30 <H-H-H> and sorry i see my last comment got chopped up it should have said i was looking for the link for handbrake but i found it in the logs
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2015-10-12 15:55 <Jsync> Does anybody know how to register a subdomain for the DNS File on Godaddy?
2015-10-12 15:56 <nebadon> godaddy is a pain in the ass, their control panel is horrible
2015-10-12 15:56 <nebadon> its been a while since i had to use them, im sure they changed it since then, its been years, but i was so glad when I left them
2015-10-12 15:57 <nebadon> https://www.godaddy.com/help/how-do-i-create-a-subdomain-in-simple-control-panel-2290
2015-10-12 16:00 <Plugh> I just moved the last domain I had at godaddy to another registrar I use.
2015-10-12 16:00 <Plugh> Jsync: Instead of www. you want blah. (for example)?
2015-10-12 16:01 <Jsync> well, I don't have a server service with Godaddy, just the domain name. I do not have these options on the plain domain service.
2015-10-12 16:02 <nebadon> probably need to contact their support
2015-10-12 16:02 <Jsync> Yeah, I think "www" needs to go extinct. We all need to use the HoloNet instead. :D
2015-10-12 16:02 <nebadon> i just remember thier control panel being absolutely terrible
2015-10-12 16:02 <Jsync> Yah, I hate calling them
2015-10-12 16:02 <Jsync> They're always so nice that it's fake. lol :P
2015-10-12 16:02 <nebadon> i moved to hostgator
2015-10-12 16:02 <Jsync> Where are they located?
2015-10-12 16:03 <nebadon> im not even sure heh
2015-10-12 16:03 <Jsync> Because I don't like godaddy, though if I'm going to be picky...
2015-10-12 16:03 <nebadon> godaddy is in Scottsdale
2015-10-12 16:03 <nebadon> i used to live literally like next door to them
2015-10-12 16:03 <Jsync> I wish URPad was a little cheaper on domains. I love them for vps hosts
2015-10-12 16:04 <nebadon> and really these hosting companies are never really located where the servers are located
2015-10-12 16:04 <Jsync> They're cool. They're sort of difficult to contact, though their tech department is awesome. It's very easy to use.
2015-10-12 16:04 <Jsync> Right nebadon. They all use vps hosts. :D
2015-10-12 16:04 <Jsync> It's like, they rent vps servers to rent vps servers. lol
2015-10-12 16:05 <nebadon> well its all colocated big data centers
2015-10-12 16:05 <nebadon> many companies like godaddy share data centers with like 100 other companies
2015-10-12 16:06 <Jsync> It's impressive how far they've come. I think they started out sort of small in the 90's
2015-10-12 16:07 <nebadon> if you are impressed with godaddy, you would really be impressed with better services hehe
2015-10-12 16:07 <Jsync> A small group of guys that wanted to make money
2015-10-12 16:07 <Jsync> haha neb
2015-10-12 16:07 <nebadon> seriously godaddy is terrible in comparrison to most
2015-10-12 16:07 <Jsync> They're so nice on the phone
2015-10-12 16:07 <nebadon> well they have a lot of money for sure
2015-10-12 16:07 <Jsync> I just don't like their ui 
2015-10-12 16:07 <nebadon> yes that is really what i mean
2015-10-12 16:08 <nebadon> hostgator uses cpanel
2015-10-12 16:08 <nebadon> its awesome
2015-10-12 16:08 <Jsync> I like cpanel
2015-10-12 16:08 <Jsync> URPad uses it
2015-10-12 16:08 <Jsync> It's really intuitive
2015-10-12 16:10 <Jsync> So, I setup "HoloNet.StarWarsGrid.com", though my page doesn't show because my subdomain isn't registered with Godaddy (which is totally shitty to have to do that)
2015-10-12 16:11 <nebadon> if the ip address is the same, you could just setup wildcard 
2015-10-12 16:11 <Jsync> Ohhh. That's not why maybe. 0.o I forgot to put in the subdomain address on the pages. I was testing the concept at "starwarsgrid.com/holonet" :/
2015-10-12 16:12 <nebadon> if the ip address is different for that then it will need its own a record
2015-10-12 16:12 <nebadon> "A" record that is on DNS
2015-10-12 16:12 <nebadon> which you would add from the godaddy DNS control panel
2015-10-12 16:13 <Jsync> Actually, the site's still not viewable, though it's got nothing to do with not changing the link urls
2015-10-12 16:14 <Jsync> wait neb, because now you're talking my language. If you've seen the straight "Domain" control panel, that's what I have to do is alter the DNS Zone File
2015-10-12 16:14 <Jsync> Though I'm not sure how to add one for a subdomain
2015-10-12 16:18 <Jsync> I found it. "Derr". I didn't realize they had so much documentation online. :)
2015-10-12 16:19 <nebadon> :)
2015-10-12 16:20 <Jsync> Yay!! http://holonet.starwarsgrid.com/
2015-10-12 16:20 <Jsync> This is going uber slow, though I just sort of wanted to make this page "by hand (as Melanie_T puts it)", just for fun.
2015-10-12 16:21 <Jsync> It's not really a business. It's just for hobby. :)
2015-10-12 16:21 <nebadon> it will take years to get a full grasp on opensim
2015-10-12 16:21 <nebadon> ive been doing this for 8 years, still figuring it out :)
2015-10-12 16:24 <Jsync> That's cool. I will probably do OpenSim for the rest of my life. I have been in SL since it opened. It's just a great little hobby environment.
2015-10-12 16:31 <Jsync> Has anybody watched "Star Wars: The Clone Wars" or "Star Wars: Rebels"?
2015-10-12 16:32 <Jsync> I think that would be something that OpenSim would be capable of producing.
2015-10-12 16:33 <Jsync> With mesh avatars, I really do not see that much difference with design & graphically. It seems really comparable to OpenSim.
2015-10-12 16:33 <nebadon> ya could get pretty close
2015-10-12 16:33 <nebadon> with a lot of work anyway :)
2015-10-12 16:33 <Jsync> I notice quite a lot of those "cartoons" sort of do things sloppy for a pseudo-retro effect.
2015-10-12 16:34 <nebadon> ya those cartoons are made with the same tools you would model with for opensim
2015-10-12 16:34 <nebadon> probably Maya
2015-10-12 16:34 <nebadon> be my guess
2015-10-12 16:34 <Jsync> Like, the avatars will just move their mouths for the dialogues. Obi-Wan has a really cheesy prim beard that SL designers could do better than in their sleep.
2015-10-12 16:35 <Jsync> Yeah, a lot of people use Maya I have read
2015-10-12 16:35 <Jsync> I think Blender has much more capabilities though
2015-10-12 16:35 <nebadon> have to realize to Lucas Arts are masters of marketing
2015-10-12 16:35 <nebadon> no doubt the low poly nature was also to maximize profits :)
2015-10-12 16:35 <Jsync> right. I realize it's 100% marketting
2015-10-12 16:35 <nebadon> translates better to action figures and toys
2015-10-12 16:36 <Jsync> right. If they can press out an episode in a couple days work time, they increase profits. That makes sense.
2015-10-12 16:36 <Jsync> It would be really cool to see a lot of independent things on youtube or some variant channel
2015-10-12 16:39 <Jsync> That's weird. My "holonet.starwarsgrid.com" site works fine, though now my "starwarsgrid.com" site can not be found. :/
2015-10-12 16:40 <Jsync> Can I not enable more than 1 site with Apache2 without doing something peculiar?
2015-10-12 16:43 <smxy> Jsync: virtual hosts
2015-10-12 16:51 <Jsync> Yah, I was sure I setup a config file for StarWarsGrid.com. How else would the server host the site? It said "Site does not exist". :/
2015-10-12 16:52 <Jsync> hehe. Now they both work
2015-10-12 16:52 <Jsync> ^.o
2015-10-12 17:04 <Jsync> Whom decided "The Web" was a good idea? & who told everybody that everybody was cool with that? Why didn't we call it "The Medusa" or something. For the record, "I did not consent to 'The Web'. We need something more sociologically appropriate."
2015-10-12 17:05 <Jsync> "ThreadNet" would have been cool maybe.
2015-10-12 17:06 <Jsync> People didn't want to excite the Poseidon enthusiasts, so they decided against "GlobalNet", or just make it a community variable.
2015-10-12 17:07 <Jsync> <.< you're rambling dude. Good point, though shup.
2015-10-12 17:08 <Jsync> sorry
2015-10-12 17:43 <Plugh> Just be glad they didn't call it Skynet.  :)
2015-10-12 17:45 <H-H-H> want to meet a terminator? call your son John Connor
2015-10-12 18:25 <Rodger_> sim crash issue in 8.2 http://pastebin.com/adrFrpXE
2015-10-12 18:27 <Rodger_> it does not hard crashbut when i get that error the console wont let my type commands and i am unable to tp to it unless i restart region 
2015-10-12 18:49 <Melanie_> Rodger_: don't try to wear coalesced items
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2015-10-13 00:37 <Jsync> Hey, is anybody else awake?
2015-10-13 00:38 <Jsync> I'm setting up an icecast server. This is my first one & I got the server working, though each time a track ends, the player on the radio url stops & mutes & I have to either refresh or unmute & push play again. I do not see any obvious configuration setting I have overlooked. I am curious if anyone else has experience with Ices2.
2015-10-13 00:39 <Jsync> It's sort of cool I set one of these up. I always paid the $2/week in SL. lol
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2015-10-13 18:04 <AliciaRaven> nebadon u here?
2015-10-13 18:05 <nebadon> hey AliciaRaven
2015-10-13 18:05 <nebadon> doh meeting time 
2015-10-13 18:05 <AliciaRaven> hey nebadon, wondering if u had forgot meeting lol
2015-10-13 18:05 <nebadon> I did was working sorry on my way
2015-10-13 18:06 <AliciaRaven> k, np
2015-10-13 18:07 <nebadon> Plugh and Ubit
2015-10-13 18:07 <nebadon> not sure if you guys are coming
2015-10-13 18:07 <Plugh> I can't make it today. Family is going out for a little while in a few minutes.
2015-10-13 18:07 <nebadon> k
2015-10-14 01:48 <Ubit> dan u need to make bridges large enought for a tiger I
2015-10-14 01:48 <danbanner> hehe
2015-10-14 07:46 <osmantis> Bug #7705:04 [PATCH] Changes to .ini.example files to improve instructions and workflow for standalone setups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7705 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-10-14 12:24 <Jsync> Others might be interested to see what the project goal is for Star Wars Grid. Take a look at the "About" tab & "Development" tab @ http://starwarsgrid.com
2015-10-14 16:36 <diva> hey Ubit! How is the merge coming along? Anything major still missing/broken?
2015-10-14 16:41 <Ken_S> diva, only things I have noticed in border crossings between 2 vars may be good one direction and crash the viewer the other direction, and
2015-10-14 16:42 <Ken_S> sit heights are a little higher.  Other issues may be related to HG and OBODE physics engine.
2015-10-14 16:42 <Ken_S> All in all, its working pretty dern good.
2015-10-14 16:42 <diva> ok, great to hear. I'll test HG stuff this afternoon
2015-10-14 16:42 <diva> I see that Ubit already updated SQLite which is good
2015-10-14 16:43 <Ken_S> Ubit has been working on it really hard thats for sure.
2015-10-14 16:47 <Ken_S> I have 100+ sims running on it on a test grid, and 3 vars running on it on OSGrid.
2015-10-14 16:47 <diva> oh wow, cool
2015-10-14 16:48 <diva> have you tested HG more or less?
2015-10-14 16:48 <Ken_S> No
2015-10-14 16:49 <diva> ok well a quicky test on a standalone with sqlite looks good. Just an unusual log line tagged with error that probably should be debug. I'll test more this afternoon.
2015-10-14 16:55 <Ken_S> By the way, welcome back Diva!
2015-10-14 16:55 <diva> thanks :)
2015-10-14 17:00 <Ken_S> Diva, my Hypergates have not even been working on the regular dev master lately, so have not even tried HG on the new avn merge code..
2015-10-14 17:00 <diva> what's wrong?
2015-10-14 17:00 <diva> was it the protocol change?
2015-10-14 17:00 <Ken_S> Idk, the menu on the hypergates just arent working.
2015-10-14 17:01 <diva> oh so lsl?
2015-10-14 17:01 <Ken_S> May just me my sims though, idk
2015-10-14 17:01 <Ken_S> Maybe
2015-10-14 17:01 <diva> may be worth trying your hypergate in avn branch
2015-10-14 17:01 <Ken_S> I tried recompiling etc, and nothing.
2015-10-14 17:01 <Ken_S> Yes, will do
2015-10-14 17:03 <Ken_S> You may not know, but if Grid/HG mode is being used on avn merge, should anything else need to be set there to make HG work?
2015-10-14 17:04 <diva> I don't expect so, at least nothing unusual. It should be the same as bbefore
2015-10-14 17:16 <Ken_S> I get a script error on the Hypergate.
2015-10-14 17:17 <diva> that's ... progress maybe?
2015-10-14 17:17 <Ken_S> It says "At least one button must be shown"
2015-10-14 17:17 <Ken_S> When I click it
2015-10-14 17:17 <Ken_S> This may be the same thing I saw on dev master.
2015-10-14 17:17 <Ken_S> It was a while ago when I last tried it on dev master.
2015-10-14 17:18 <Ken_S> Its a runtime error, not a compile error of course
2015-10-14 17:19 <Ken_S> "HyperGate v0.7.3 (TheHyperGates.com): llDialog: At least 1 button must be shown"
2015-10-14 17:21 <nebadon> I didnt think LSL changed with avincation merge
2015-10-14 17:21 <diva> he's getting the same error
2015-10-14 17:21 <nebadon> those are definitely not "HG" issues
2015-10-14 17:21 <Ken_S> It is doing this on dev master too
2015-10-14 17:21 <nebadon> ah ok
2015-10-14 17:21 <diva> something must have changed related to lists
2015-10-14 17:21 <nebadon> it did
2015-10-14 17:21 <Ken_S> Maybe TheHyperGates changed something
2015-10-14 17:21 <nebadon> I think Melanie changed something a bit ago
2015-10-14 17:22 <nebadon> Melanie_T ping
2015-10-14 17:22 <nebadon> err Melanie_
2015-10-14 17:22 <nebadon> how long has this been broken Ken_S?
2015-10-14 17:23 <nebadon> you made sure to delete all the LSL binary dlls?
2015-10-14 17:23 <nebadon> not carried over from old version?
2015-10-14 17:23 <Ken_S> I dont know. I rarely use HG and noticed it on dev master about a week or longer ago
2015-10-14 17:24 <Ken_S> When I updated some sims to the avn branch, I deleted everything other than opensim.ini, regions.ini and GridCommon.ini
2015-10-14 17:25 <Ken_S> But nothing has changed on my dev master sims.
2015-10-14 17:25 <diva> yes there were changes to that function on Aug 12
2015-10-14 17:26 <diva> hmm or maybe not. Maybe it was just whitespace
2015-10-14 17:27 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=662b59af83a4bcaccb2b3b3bc679ee15f5a483ce\
2015-10-14 17:27 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=662b59af83a4bcaccb2b3b3bc679ee15f5a483ce
2015-10-14 17:28 <nebadon> maybe this diva?
2015-10-14 17:30 <diva> yes that would be the most likely culprit for these kinds of issues
2015-10-14 17:32 <diva> if Mel's change doesn't break things, at the very least it requires recompilationo f scripts
2015-10-14 17:33 <nebadon> it absolutely does
2015-10-14 17:33 <nebadon> you have to clear dlls for this
2015-10-14 17:33 <nebadon> you really should every update anyway
2015-10-14 17:34 <nebadon> keep states, clear dlls
2015-10-14 17:34 <Ken_S> I use batch files to clear everything every update to be safe
2015-10-14 17:34 <nebadon> ok speak with melanie then
2015-10-14 17:34 <Ken_S> Just keep the important ini files and thats it.
2015-10-14 17:34 <nebadon> I think breakage was sort of expected
2015-10-14 17:34 <nebadon> we were just waiting for people to report it
2015-10-14 17:35 <nebadon> you are not keeping the .state files?
2015-10-14 17:35 <nebadon> it is important you keep those
2015-10-14 17:35 <nebadon> otherwise stuff like visitor counters and stuff like that gets reset
2015-10-14 17:35 <Ken_S> Which files are the state files?
2015-10-14 17:36 <nebadon> *.state
2015-10-14 17:36 <nebadon> in the ScriptEngine folder
2015-10-14 17:36 <nebadon> each region is listed by a UUID sub folder
2015-10-14 17:36 <nebadon> in each subfolder delete everything but the .state file
2015-10-14 17:36 <Ken_S> Oh, those I dont clear, they are in a sub folder
2015-10-14 17:36 <nebadon> right
2015-10-14 17:36 <nebadon> you have to delete the .dll in that same folder though
2015-10-14 17:37 <nebadon> in the subfolders
2015-10-14 17:37 <nebadon> there are 3 or 4 file types
2015-10-14 17:37 <nebadon> mdb, and one or two others
2015-10-14 17:37 <Ken_S> Hmmm I need to look and see if the dlls in that folder are cleared
2015-10-14 17:38 <nebadon> there is also a setting to do it every startup
2015-10-14 17:38 <nebadon> but it takes a lot longer to start region
2015-10-14 17:38 <nebadon> i dont recommend that
2015-10-14 17:39 <Ken_S> Im clearing the .dll files only in the scriptengine folder, nothing else
2015-10-14 17:39 <nebadon> there should not be any dlls in the root
2015-10-14 17:39 <nebadon> only in the UUID subfolders
2015-10-14 17:40 <nebadon> by default anyway, there may be ways to route that stuff to other locations
2015-10-14 17:40 <nebadon> i dont know
2015-10-14 17:41 <Ken_S> Is there a document anywhere that tells exactly what must go and what should be kept?
2015-10-14 17:42 <nebadon> everything but .state :)
2015-10-14 17:42 <nebadon> if you want to keep the script states that is
2015-10-14 17:42 <Ken_S> I mean total, not just the script folder
2015-10-14 17:42 <nebadon> i am not sure if that is documented on the wiki
2015-10-14 17:43 <Ken_S> As far as I know, its never been documented anywhere
2015-10-14 17:43 <nebadon> ya I cant think of anywhere off the top of my head that it is fully documented
2015-10-14 17:44 <nebadon> GridCommon.ini or StandaloneCommonon.ini, Regions.ini, OpenSim.ini and ScriptEngine State Files, and AssetCache folder
2015-10-14 17:44 <Ken_S> If it was documented, a simple script or batch file run from the root folder could take care of it.
2015-10-14 17:45 <nebadon> yea its not hard to script it
2015-10-14 17:45 <Ken_S> You do want to keep the assetcache folder, even when doing a major version update?
2015-10-14 17:45 <nebadon> sure
2015-10-14 17:45 <Ken_S> So the format of those files will never change?
2015-10-14 17:45 <nebadon> otherwise it just has to download the cache again
2015-10-14 17:45 <nebadon> nah
2015-10-14 17:45 <nebadon> if it does it will be a new engine
2015-10-14 17:46 <nebadon> the way cache is done it should theoreitically be unchangeable
2015-10-14 17:46 <nebadon> its just raw blobs named by thier uuid
2015-10-14 17:47 <nebadon> in a folder structure based on partial uuid
2015-10-14 17:47 <nebadon> it /AAA/BBB/CCC
2015-10-14 17:48 <nebadon> thats a bad example but you get the idea
2015-10-14 17:48 <Ken_S> Yes
2015-10-14 18:06 <Melanie_> nebadon: the llDialog function is defined as having to show at least one button
2015-10-14 18:06 <Melanie_> this is according to the spec at the linden LSL wiki
2015-10-14 18:06 <Melanie_> opensim has had the bug of allowing to send a dialog without buttons
2015-10-14 18:06 <Melanie_> something not guaranteed to be handled properly by every possible viewer
2015-10-14 18:07 <Melanie_> in the avnmerge branch, the runtime error message is added to match SL behavior
2015-10-14 18:16 <diva> I think that's also in master. At least I see it there
2015-10-14 18:17 <nebadon> aha
2015-10-14 18:17 <nebadon> ok
2015-10-14 18:17 <nebadon> funny I was just talking about this at meeting yesterday
2015-10-14 18:17 <nebadon> about people adopting bugs as features
2015-10-14 18:17 <nebadon> and then getting upset when we fix a bug
2015-10-14 18:17 <Melanie_> well, avnmerge will curb sme of that
2015-10-14 18:18 <Melanie_> much of our work was specifically to increase compatibility with sl
2015-10-14 18:18 <Melanie_> and removing cases of too lax checking of specs
2015-10-14 21:02 <diva> Ubit ping
2015-10-14 21:51 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-10-14 22:06 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-10-14 22:27 <Melanie_> diva: what does that authenticate against?
2015-10-14 22:28 <Melanie_> i didn't follow the core asset service, was authentication added to that?
2015-10-14 22:28 <diva> it's basic http authentication between the sim and the robust service
2015-10-14 22:28 <diva> it was added to any BaseService
2015-10-14 22:28 <Melanie_> ok
2015-10-14 22:28 <diva> I use it in Encitra
2015-10-14 22:28 <Melanie_> then avn never got to merging that
2015-10-14 22:28 <diva> I also use the external GetTexture service in Encitra
2015-10-14 22:28 <Melanie_> we can of course use the firewalls to effect the same thing
2015-10-14 22:29 <diva> so far so good, with these fixes.
2015-10-14 22:29 <Melanie_> i assume it's optional
2015-10-14 22:29 <diva> yeah
2015-10-14 22:30 <diva> I'm sure I'll run into more issues. Encitra is a very unconventional grid.
2015-10-14 22:30 <diva> but so far so good
2015-10-14 22:34 <osmantis> Bug #7519:04 OpenSim 0.8.2 dev83e58eb     regions load and run for a few hours then crash with the following error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-10-14 22:41 <Ken_S> A NPC script that tried to use osSetSpeed when the threat level was not set to allow that, brought one of the merge sims to its knees. 
2015-10-14 22:42 <Ken_S> Slowed it down so much it was unusable after that.
2015-10-14 22:42 <Ken_S> Having to restart
2015-10-14 22:49 <diva> would be good to have a simple test case
2015-10-14 22:54 <Melanie_> if the threat level doesn't allow it the script should abort with an error
2015-10-15 00:31 <diva> ok, basic HG teleport seems to work fine
2015-10-15 00:32 <diva> on avn branch
2015-10-15 00:32 <Plugh> Ken_S: 100+ regions in a test grid? That's some test grid!
2015-10-15 00:35 <diva> omg
2015-10-15 00:35 <diva> Ubit undid all my changes on modularizing physics
2015-10-15 00:36 <diva> I wish he was around to ask him if he undid them or if he never merged them
2015-10-15 00:37 <diva> he undid them
2015-10-15 00:39 <Plugh> Regressions?
2015-10-15 00:43 <diva> hmm he didn't. He just moved stuff around, not sure why
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2015-10-15 15:35 <Melanie_> diva: afaik he modularized ubODE
2015-10-15 15:35 <Melanie_> what did he move?
2015-10-15 15:38 <diva> I had the Physics scenes be the region modules themselves; he pulled that out into a separate class
2015-10-15 15:38 <diva> that's fine I guess. Bullet is still as I had it
2015-10-15 15:41 <Melanie_> i believe i told him to do that
2015-10-15 15:41 <Melanie_> because that scene is the same for ubODE and ODE
2015-10-15 15:41 <Ubit> dive can you read me ?
2015-10-15 15:41 <Melanie_> and i didn't want to see a copy being made
2015-10-15 15:43 <Ubit> yes i made ubOde to have a module indenpendente for the scene, like the plugins where
2015-10-15 15:43 <Ubit> independente of the scene
2015-10-15 15:44 <diva> it doesn't matter much. Having the scene be the region module avoids the declaration of 1 class
2015-10-15 15:50 <diva> it's ok Ubit, I fixed a few things
2015-10-15 15:50 <Ubit> cool :)
2015-10-15 15:50 <Ubit> now im messing the unmaged ode lib
2015-10-15 15:51 <Ubit> updating it as possible
2015-10-15 15:51 <Ubit> i did push code into opensim-libs
2015-10-15 15:51 <Ubit> tried full update to last version, 0.13.1, but didn't went well :(
2015-10-15 15:52 <Ubit> they added threads in a away not easy to use on opensim.. at least for now
2015-10-15 15:53 <Ubit> i mean threading..
2015-10-15 15:58 <nebadon> yea threading wasnt added until like a year ago if i recall
2015-10-15 15:58 <nebadon> within the last two years
2015-10-15 15:58 <nebadon> and from what i remember it wasnt very good
2015-10-15 15:59 <Ubit> they did start exactly on that r1755  by coincidence :)
2015-10-15 15:59 <nebadon> but that was a long while ago, at the time ODE was getting like 3 patches a month
2015-10-15 15:59 <nebadon> actually the last ODE updated teravus and I did we were testing that
2015-10-15 15:59 <nebadon> and it went horrible so we didnt pursue it
2015-10-15 15:59 <Ubit> im adding relevant patchs by hand avoiding the threading
2015-10-15 16:00 <Ubit> yeah my test with 0.13.1 didn't went well either :)
2015-10-15 16:00 <nebadon> ya ODE development is slow
2015-10-15 16:00 <nebadon> and they hardly accept patches
2015-10-15 16:00 <nebadon> Teravus had a patch waiting for years
2015-10-15 16:01 <nebadon> it probably still hasnt been put into their code
2015-10-15 16:01 <nebadon> that was really why we moved away from it
2015-10-15 16:01 <Ubit> hmm i seen references to opensim specific patchs, but seen none :(
2015-10-15 16:01 <nebadon> basically its not much better than forking and supporting it yourself now
2015-10-15 16:01 <Ubit> guess it was terrain related ?
2015-10-15 16:01 <nebadon> I dont even remember now
2015-10-15 16:02 <nebadon> we waited years for it
2015-10-15 16:02 <nebadon> never happened
2015-10-15 16:02 <Ubit> teravus had a big fight with capsule-terrain collisions
2015-10-15 16:02 <Ubit> and lost .. .)
2015-10-15 16:02 <Ubit> the damm thing does let them fall
2015-10-15 16:03 <Ubit> he did reduce a lot the cases where it happens..  but i just gave up using that colider
2015-10-15 16:05 <Ubit> and see no patchs on that anywhere on ode hg history :(
2015-10-15 16:05 <nebadon> yea
2015-10-15 16:05 <nebadon> i kind of recall Teravus refusing to patch it in our code himself
2015-10-15 16:05 <nebadon> he wanted ODE fixed or he wasnt going to rely on it
2015-10-15 16:06 <nebadon> at that point it was basically fork 
2015-10-15 16:06 <nebadon> or move on
2015-10-15 16:06 <Ubit> i did started several times making a new terrain object
2015-10-15 16:06 <Ubit> have to restart again :)
2015-10-15 16:21 <Ubit> yeackk -infinity dimension ?? what hell
2015-10-15 16:21 <nebadon> is that for z maybe?
2015-10-15 16:22 <Ubit> actuall Y
2015-10-15 16:22 <nebadon> ODEs Y or OpenSim Y?
2015-10-15 16:22 <nebadon> opensim y would be wierd
2015-10-15 16:22 <Ubit> a mesh dimension
2015-10-15 16:22 <nebadon> ah
2015-10-15 16:22 <nebadon> so for an object
2015-10-15 16:22 <nebadon> i was assuming the scene itself
2015-10-15 16:23 <Ubit> yeap, have a object killing ubOde and messing old ode
2015-10-15 16:23 <Ubit> and that it.. infinity inertia blabla
2015-10-15 16:58 <Ken_S> My internet just got a free upgrade a few minutes ago, 220 down and 22 up, 6ms, but connection to osgrid is now slower. Very odd.
2015-10-15 17:00 <SammyG3> awesome, we are waiting for our service provider to provide the (Gig)antic speed.  even though I would never pay top dollar for top tier.
2015-10-15 17:01 <nebadon> ya I got it as well
2015-10-15 17:01 <nebadon> about a week ago i ran speed test and got like 180 down
2015-10-15 17:01 <nebadon> comcast and cox have always been awesome about upgrades
2015-10-15 17:02 <Ken_S> I dont understand why connection to osg is now slower with the speed more than doubled
2015-10-15 17:02 <nebadon> ya that doesnt make much sense
2015-10-15 17:02 <Ken_S> I verified the speed at speedtest.net and its great
2015-10-15 17:02 <SammyG3> switches overloaded... hehe
2015-10-15 17:03 <nebadon> ya i ran again 180 down 12.5 up
2015-10-15 17:03 <nebadon> my up didnt change, but down did
2015-10-15 17:03 <Ken_S> It checks over 20 up now... but not when connecting to osg :(
2015-10-15 17:04 <nebadon> well OSgrid does throttle 
2015-10-15 17:04 <nebadon> so yor never going to get 20 from us
2015-10-15 17:04 <nebadon> not ever
2015-10-15 17:04 <Ken_S> The picture on the signin screen is even taking a long time to display
2015-10-15 17:04 <nebadon> ya that should not happen
2015-10-15 17:04 <Ken_S> I think the route changed
2015-10-15 17:05 <nebadon> maybe try a different DNS
2015-10-15 17:05 <nebadon> i had problems like that using comcast DNS
2015-10-15 17:05 <nebadon> it sucks
2015-10-15 17:05 <nebadon> try OpenDNS or Google
2015-10-15 17:05 <Ken_S> Arent the servers in Texas still?
2015-10-15 17:05 <nebadon> yea nothings changed on OSgrid 
2015-10-15 17:05 <Ken_S> Yea I'll try changing it
2015-10-15 17:05 <nebadon> i use opendns and have google as backup
2015-10-15 17:06 <Ken_S> I am in central Texas so its not far to the servers.
2015-10-15 17:06 <nebadon> ya
2015-10-15 17:06 <nebadon> comcast could have you routing to NYC and back
2015-10-15 17:06 <nebadon> lol
2015-10-15 17:06 <Ken_S> yes who knows
2015-10-15 17:31 <Ubit> nice a thing will only a triangle on the convex hull
2015-10-15 18:08 <Ubit> ken the plane flies
2015-10-15 18:08 <Ubit> errr 
2015-10-15 18:09 <Ubit> err when it doesn't stuck in ground :)
2015-10-15 18:11 <Ubit> hmm and flies with propelers stoped.. 
2015-10-15 18:11 <Ubit> err ooops ken isn't here :)
2015-10-15 18:11 <Melanie_> probably with barbie ;)
2015-10-15 18:11 <Ubit> :)
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2015-10-15 23:00 <diva> Ken_S can you send me an iar with the hypergate that fails to show the menu?
2015-10-15 23:02 <diva> what's failing in the hg Ubit?
2015-10-15 23:03 <Ken_S> Diva, I will get you a link to the web site that distributes it as an iar...
2015-10-15 23:03 <diva> k
2015-10-15 23:04 <Ken_S> Go here to get the iar: http://thehypergates.com/
2015-10-15 23:05 <Ken_S> This seems to be the most widely distributes hypergate in os
2015-10-15 23:05 <Ken_S> *distributed
2015-10-15 23:07 <lkalif> why all these internal fork? Why obODE,ubMeshmerizer!? Seems very unclean.
2015-10-15 23:07 <diva> cool
2015-10-15 23:08 <Ubit> lkalif  i forked it long time ago, to add suport for convex hulls etc, that main meshmerizer didn't had
2015-10-15 23:08 <Ubit> it should be merged.. just not the time
2015-10-15 23:09 <lkalif> i think it shhould be merged to the original in core
2015-10-15 23:09 <Ubit> yr ideia.. not mine :p
2015-10-15 23:09 <diva> isn't there a deeper reason for your version of ODE, Ubit? I thought I remember something about some behavior that people expect out of ODE that you guys changed in avination'
2015-10-15 23:09 <lkalif> befoe the merge, it's a big ugly mess now
2015-10-15 23:09 <diva> maybe I'm confusing with something else
2015-10-15 23:10 <Ubit> a deeper reason ?
2015-10-15 23:10 <diva> yeah, some physics behavior. I don't remember the details, just a vague memory of some conversation. But I may be misremembering
2015-10-15 23:10 <lkalif> no deeper reason as far as i understamd, lack of time to do it properly
2015-10-15 23:10 <diva> ok
2015-10-15 23:11 <lkalif> but I think it would be a shame to merge into master all those forks
2015-10-15 23:11 <diva> agreed
2015-10-15 23:12 <diva> especially if there is no deeper reason other than lack of time to clean it up so far
2015-10-15 23:12 <nebadon> all the old scripts would break
2015-10-15 23:12 <Ubit> do you want  to risk to breaking bullet and normal ode now ?
2015-10-15 23:12 <nebadon> no
2015-10-15 23:12 <nebadon> please do not
2015-10-15 23:13 <Ubit> so whats the point ?
2015-10-15 23:13 <nebadon> dont break bullet that is
2015-10-15 23:13 <lkalif> why would ubode break ubit?
2015-10-15 23:13 <nebadon> i do not care so much about old ODE
2015-10-15 23:13 <nebadon> but i can say people will freak out
2015-10-15 23:14 <nebadon> im not so much concerned about it
2015-10-15 23:14 <nebadon> i think old ODE should go away eventually myself
2015-10-15 23:14 <Ubit> im talking about merging ubMeshmerizer and Meshmerizer... thay should be merged.. just don't thing its the time to do it
2015-10-15 23:14 <Ubit> it isn't..
2015-10-15 23:14 <diva> Ken_S I have a repro
2015-10-15 23:14 <lkalif> yes, i say kill ode and rename ubode to ode
2015-10-15 23:14 <nebadon> ya
2015-10-15 23:14 <Ken_S> diva, ok great
2015-10-15 23:15 <nebadon> we are never going to make anyone happy
2015-10-15 23:15 <nebadon> and I dont have much love for anyone wanting to hold the project back
2015-10-15 23:15 <diva> wtf?!?
2015-10-15 23:15 <lkalif> and merge meshmerizer annd kill ubmeshmerizer
2015-10-15 23:15 <diva> are those scripts obfuscated?
2015-10-15 23:15 <nebadon> ah they probably are
2015-10-15 23:15 <Ubit> nahh ode is still usefull, many ppl is happy with it and have scripts that only run on it
2015-10-15 23:15 <nebadon> i hate those scripts
2015-10-15 23:15 <nebadon> we should call yours ODE ubit
2015-10-15 23:15 <nebadon> and then have ODE classic
2015-10-15 23:15 <nebadon> or something
2015-10-15 23:16 <Ubit> old scripts will not work on ubOde
2015-10-15 23:16 <nebadon> yea thats true
2015-10-15 23:16 <Ken_S> Bullet sounds so sexy hahaha
2015-10-15 23:16 <nebadon> well im not so concerned with the name
2015-10-15 23:16 <nebadon> just that there is an option to make it work again 
2015-10-15 23:16 <diva> well there's not much I can do with obfuscated lsl scripts
2015-10-15 23:17 <Ubit> work again nebadon ?
2015-10-15 23:17 <nebadon> work again the old way
2015-10-15 23:17 <nebadon> sorry should have been more clear there
2015-10-15 23:17 <Ubit> old ode thing its working as before
2015-10-15 23:17 <nebadon> so like make ubode, ODE
2015-10-15 23:17 <lkalif> makde it ODE and ODE Legacy... and recommend people not make stuff for legacy
2015-10-15 23:17 <nebadon> and rename old ODe to like ode_classic or ode_legacy
2015-10-15 23:18 <Ubit> so we are discussing names ?
2015-10-15 23:18 <nebadon> well just making suggestions
2015-10-15 23:18 <nebadon> not saying has to happen now by any means
2015-10-15 23:18 <lkalif> Ubit: you wan't to maintain both?
2015-10-15 23:19 <Ubit> yeap.. as possible 
2015-10-15 23:19 <lkalif> or you would like to declare one legacy and discouraged to use for new scripts
2015-10-15 23:20 <Ubit> i know a lot of ppl happy with old scripts and old ode
2015-10-15 23:20 <Ken_S> Old ode should simply go into maintenance mode
2015-10-15 23:20 <lkalif> in my experience therre is a lot of code not bwing maintaiined for a long time
2015-10-15 23:20 <Ubit> old ode will be maintained to keep up with changes on framework
2015-10-15 23:20 <Ubit> not having new features..  well IMO
2015-10-15 23:20 <nebadon> ya thats different though
2015-10-15 23:21 <lkalif> Ken_S: old ode didnt support vars until a gre errls ago... nobody was touching it for years
2015-10-15 23:21 <Ubit> thats a framework change :p
2015-10-15 23:21 <lkalif> a fww
2015-10-15 23:21 <diva> is there a good reason for supporting old ODE? I by "good reason" I don't mean people being lazy
2015-10-15 23:21 <lkalif> Ubit: how long did we have vars?
2015-10-15 23:22 <Ubit> since 2013 or something
2015-10-15 23:22 <Ubit> and ?
2015-10-15 23:23 <diva> Ken_S who writes that Hypergate thing?
2015-10-15 23:23 <lkalif> and nobody added vars to ODE in all that time
2015-10-15 23:24 <Ubit> well i can't answer that lkalif
2015-10-15 23:24 <diva> I see that ppl already reported the problem with them
2015-10-15 23:24 <diva> well they seem to have a script problem
2015-10-15 23:25 <Ken_S> diva, yes, one was me. I said they need to fix it.
2015-10-15 23:25 <Ken_S> They did something was used to work in os but that wasn't compatible with lsl in SL
2015-10-15 23:26 <diva> yeah, as far as I can see their script is sending a 0-length menu list down to the script engine. I could try to debug it further, but their script is obfuscated, so too bad for them
2015-10-15 23:26 <lkalif> it should illustrate the point that having bunch of unmaintained code is bad. kill old ODE. Call new one an upgrade and be done with it
2015-10-15 23:26 <Ubit> we can not kill old ode at this point
2015-10-15 23:27 <Ken_S> diva, hopefully they will heed the comments from people who have found the problem.
2015-10-15 23:27 <Ubit> too much people depend on it
2015-10-15 23:27 <diva> ubit any problems that you are aware with HG at this point? I tried it here yesterday quickly and it worked
2015-10-15 23:28 <diva> is there something you know doesn't work?
2015-10-15 23:28 <Ubit> i did a few tests also,  fixed what i had broken with the merge, hopefully
2015-10-15 23:28 <Ubit> but as i said to you in private, it does not suport v2 viewers maps
2015-10-15 23:29 <Ubit> or large size regions
2015-10-15 23:29 <diva> is that specific to HG?
2015-10-15 23:30 <lkalif> v2 style maps is a region thing
2015-10-15 23:30 <diva> and what do you mean it doesn't support large size regions?
2015-10-15 23:30 <lkalif> you need to configure what SimulatorGeatures sennds
2015-10-15 23:31 <Ubit> also noticed some issues due to the several URL formats also used internally  but seems a bit better now
2015-10-15 23:32 <diva> so Ubit, can you give me a summary for what you think is broken with the HG in particular, if anything? Maybe nothing that you know of?
2015-10-15 23:32 <Ubit> i just told you diva
2015-10-15 23:33 <diva> I don't understand what you said. Maps is not specific to HG
2015-10-15 23:33 <diva> and I also don't understand what you mean by it doesn't support large size regions
2015-10-15 23:33 <lkalif> radegast hg maps work perfectly
2015-10-15 23:33 <Ubit> maps work on V1 viewers... not on V2 because HG does not send the map url
2015-10-15 23:34 <Ubit> and large regions show up as having 256m only
2015-10-15 23:34 <diva> it doesn't?! Isn't that a configuraiton issue on SimulatorFeatures? Let me check
2015-10-15 23:34 <lkalif> unless ubit broke them (he was talking about killing asset maps)
2015-10-15 23:36 <Ubit> issue is not exclusive to avnmerge branch
2015-10-15 23:37 <lkalif> v2 maps don't work on v2 before you tp
2015-10-15 23:37 <lkalif> unless in Radegast (unless you didn't kill it)
2015-10-15 23:37 <Ubit> yeap they don't.. V1 do work before tp
2015-10-15 23:37 <lkalif> no
2015-10-15 23:37 <lkalif> old old v2
2015-10-15 23:38 <lkalif> old old v1
2015-10-15 23:38 <lkalif> like kokua or something, not singularity
2015-10-15 23:38 <Ubit> HG does send whats needed for v1 maps to work
2015-10-15 23:38 <diva> Ubit let me try to understand what you're saying. You're saying that is I TP to another grid and pull up their map I won't see it?
2015-10-15 23:38 <diva> if
2015-10-15 23:39 <Ubit> before tp, after the "region link"
2015-10-15 23:40 <lkalif> he's saying than in v2 viewers when you search the hg region it will find it butt now show map before the tp
2015-10-15 23:40 <lkalif> which is how that works afaik...
2015-10-15 23:41 <diva> oh yeah
2015-10-15 23:41 <diva> that's how it works for a while
2015-10-15 23:41 <diva> can't pull the image from the other world, it's too complicated
2015-10-15 23:41 <diva> ok so that's not a breakage
2015-10-15 23:42 <Ubit> you dont pull the image..  viewer will
2015-10-15 23:42 <lkalif> unless ubit broke asset maps... that would break the old viewers too
2015-10-15 23:43 <Ubit> asset maps are disable for large regions for now
2015-10-15 23:43 <lkalif> why? don't save few bytes for everyone
2015-10-15 23:44 <lkalif> hard disk space is cheap
2015-10-16 11:41 <Timecop> is thare way remove old assets from mysql database ?
2015-10-16 14:47 <Timecop> how can i add a patch
2015-10-16 14:47 <Timecop> ?
2015-10-16 14:50 <Plugh> Generate the patch with 'git format patch', file a mantis, attach the patch file to the mantis report.
2015-10-16 14:51 <Plugh> hm... think the git statement isn't quite right but that's the idea.
2015-10-16 14:52 <Plugh> ah. git format-patch
2015-10-16 14:52 <Timecop> ok
2015-10-16 14:52 <Plugh> What did you change/fix?
2015-10-16 14:53 <Timecop> nothing yet
2015-10-16 14:53 <Plugh> oh, ok
2015-10-16 14:55 <Timecop> i been try work out how to remove old assets out my mysql db
2015-10-16 14:56 <Timecop> after del from inventory
2015-10-16 14:57 <Timecop> any help on that Plugh ?
2015-10-16 14:57 <Plugh> You can get the asset UUID from inventory before you do the initial deletion. Before you remove the item from the assets table you need to be sure it isn't used in some other object that has been rezzed, is in somone elses inventory or is referenced in a script.
2015-10-16 14:57 <jakdaniels> how will you work out if they are no longer referenced anywhere?
2015-10-16 14:58 <Plugh> jakdaniels: :) That's what I was just pointing ou.
2015-10-16 14:58 <Plugh> s/ou/out/
2015-10-16 14:58 <jakdaniels> that's why assets don't get deleted
2015-10-16 14:58 <jakdaniels> sorry Plugh yes...
2015-10-16 14:59 <Plugh> jakdaniels: np. Your question was the short version. :)
2015-10-16 14:59 <jakdaniels> I was still typing when your msg arrived ;)
2015-10-16 15:00 <Timecop> so it dont make new UUID if give asset to same
2015-10-16 15:01 <jakdaniels> I've updated the birds module btw Plugh, it will now run even without a config, but will just listen for commands. There was such a confusion before about what 'enabled' meant. Now that means: is the simulation enabled, not the module itself. There a new param for that in the ini should you want to disable the module completely.
2015-10-16 15:02 <jakdaniels> Still not added security yet though :)
2015-10-16 15:03 <Plugh> jakdaniels: ok, cool. I've got several other things on the go I haven't even looked at that again.
2015-10-16 15:04 <Plugh> jakdaniels: What do you think would be an option(s) to have for user control? If we can come up with the ideas of what the options would be we can make a note of them and you or I can add the code later.
2015-10-16 15:04 <jakdaniels> Its got some placeholder code for extending LSL now too so a script can get stats via a direct call, but again... haven't finished that yet, I put the framework in when Mel explained to me how to do it
2015-10-16 15:05 <Plugh> I'm thinking control by a given (list of) UUIDs, perhaps control by members of a group.
2015-10-16 15:05 <Plugh> jakdaniels: oh, right. Yes, I remember you and Mel talking about that.
2015-10-16 15:05 <jakdaniels> Sure... I had envisaged a scripted panel board in world which displayed the stats, and had buttons to change the settings.... that could be a public display kind of thing...
2015-10-16 15:06 <jakdaniels> or it could be tied to the owner and manipulated from private scripts
2015-10-16 15:07 <jakdaniels> as you know any user in-world if they know how can control all the parameters of the bird flock
2015-10-16 15:07 <Plugh> Right.
2015-10-16 15:07 <jakdaniels> at the moment
2015-10-16 15:07 <jakdaniels> which is what the security would be for, to restrict that
2015-10-16 15:08 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-10-16 15:08 <jakdaniels> its next on my list &tm;
2015-10-16 15:09 <Plugh> ok.
2015-10-16 15:09 <Plugh> I'm only running the module in a couple of regions. First thing I did was change the channel number.
2015-10-16 15:10 <jakdaniels> yes... it should be high negative if you only need to send it commands from a script. But using the default and chatting commands is good fun too for experimentation
2015-10-16 15:11 <Plugh> jakdaniels: Here is another thought for you. What about settings for the X, Y, (and Z?) limits of movement. Someone asked me about having a swarm of scarab beetles for an Egyptian themed area. One problem with that is they need to stay on the ground. Perhaps it might work if the ground where they run around is flat.
2015-10-16 15:11 <Plugh> jakdaniels: Right. For now its just for playing with via chat commands but a console would be the next step.
2015-10-16 15:12 <jakdaniels> yes, I've pondered that too..... sometimes a whole region is too big an area.... also there's only one flock per region, once you have the ability to say keep this flock in a 40m cube, then the question will be asked, can I have another flock over there too
2015-10-16 15:13 <jakdaniels> how do you define that in the .ini?
2015-10-16 15:13 <Plugh> RIght. You might also want to have more than one flock in the same area with different sets of birds.
2015-10-16 15:13 <jakdaniels> yes. it gets complicated :)
2015-10-16 15:14 <jakdaniels> I wondered perhaps about using parcel boundaries, but again defining all the params in the .ini becomes cumbersome
2015-10-16 15:14 <Plugh> You can't have two copies of the same module for a region, afaik. The only other way is to have settings for flock1, flock2, or something like that.
2015-10-16 15:15 <Plugh> Parcel boundaries can be tricky. Easy to specify a parcel UUID but parcels can be odd shapes.
2015-10-16 15:15 <jakdaniels> true, yes that would be harder to do in a non square parcel
2015-10-16 15:17 <Plugh> Having a boundary setting is useful. I tested a small flock in a large var. Flock has tons of room in which to fly. Problem is you have to wait a long time for them to fly near you.
2015-10-16 15:18 <jakdaniels> Could use dynamic ini variable names perhaps.... BirdsFlocks = flock1,flock2,flock3; BirdsEnabled-flock1 = True; BirdsEnabled-flock2 = False; etc...
2015-10-16 15:18 <Plugh> yea, something like that would work. Easy enough to parse.
2015-10-16 15:18 <jakdaniels> BirdsBorderSize should allow you to specify a boundary
2015-10-16 15:19 <Plugh> Two vectors that set the diagonally opposite corners?
2015-10-16 15:20 <jakdaniels> no its just a size in metres that is subtracted from the region.size, or added to 0 to make a border at the edges of a region where they will not fly
2015-10-16 15:20 <jakdaniels> I have to go pick up my son... bbl
2015-10-16 15:21 <Plugh> If that is a vector (or set of sizes) that sets the bounding box for where they fly you also need an offset for the corner of the box.
2015-10-16 15:21 <Plugh> ok, ttyl
2015-10-16 15:43 <nebadon> I dont think patches for asset cleanup will be accepted 
2015-10-16 15:44 <nebadon> to risky
2015-10-16 15:46 <Melanie_> Timecop: Asset cleanup is not possible. It will always lead to loss of item functionality as assets can be referenced in scripts by UUID. The general consensus is that disk space is cheap
2015-10-16 15:50 <diva> yeah, general asset deletion won't fly. There's too many moving parts regarding the propagation of asset references. It's better to do that as 3rd party addon that works in very specialized circunstances. I've developed a garbagge collector that I run at certain times -- spring cleaning kind of deal
2015-10-16 15:59 <Timecop> Melanie_ & diva thank
2015-10-16 16:03 <diva> Ubit are you around?
2015-10-16 19:17 <Jsync> Melanie_T, I'd like to talk with you privately about some things I am considering for my grid, if & when you have time please.
2015-10-16 19:18 <Jsync> I do not want to take up a lot of your time. I just had a couple of questions.
2015-10-16 19:18 <Melanie_> go ahead
2015-10-16 19:51 <Jsync> :)
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2015-10-16 21:52 <nebadon> http://conference.opensimulator.org
2015-10-16 22:16 <diva> fresh news! OSCC is going to happen again!
2015-10-16 22:16 <diva> http://conference.opensimulator.org/2015/
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2015-10-17 03:55 <misterblue> Melanie_: I've been slammed at work and disconnected from OS for a bit.... you were talking about an architectural paper on new OS simulator design... did you publish that while I was out?
2015-10-17 07:23 <Ubit> hi ppl, all good? 
2015-10-17 12:02 <Jsync> For those people that are talking about desire for a webbrowser view of their grid (I have just heard it mentioned when I mentioned specifics about some goals or notions of my own): Do those people want just an anonymous login module that displays a demo tour of their grid which is viewed of a browser that supports that cam view page? I think that's OpenSim side programming. It's not about the viewers' ability to view .html pages, or .php pages, unless t
2015-10-17 12:04 <Jsync> It's just something that's been mentioned a couple of times.
2015-10-17 12:05 <Jsync> It's an interesting thing to consider the difference in marketing a virtual coffee shop within a context of how the literal brick & mortar coffee shop appeals to clientel.
2015-10-17 12:07 <Jsync> So, advertise a picture of your avi in a coffee shop that you frequent sitting in the virtual coffee shop with a laptop that's plugged into the grid with the virtual coffee shop. XD haha
2015-10-17 12:08 <linkedinyou> Jsync: did not get you
2015-10-17 12:10 <Jsync> I think the point of the webbrowser view of a persons' grid is about advertising the grid. It's not really about the desire to not have to separate the OpenSim viewer & web browser, it's about making a view available to others for appeal towards joining the community.
2015-10-17 12:12 <linkedinyou> most productive concepts yes , and it is all about ease things for regular users
2015-10-17 12:12 <Jsync> I'm saying it's less work to just make .html pages or youtube videos in general, though I thought to mention the topic informally to see if anyone else had input.
2015-10-17 12:12 <linkedinyou> and it is about download and complexitity of viewers
2015-10-17 12:13 <Jsync> Well yeah, my solution to that specifically (which is maybe why I think about this concept of a cam view within a browser that people keep mentioning) is that the Residents' Viewer & Developers' Viewer are separated. Strip Development abilities out of the Firestorm Viewer, recompile the thing & call it a Residents' Viewer.
2015-10-17 12:13 <linkedinyou> i am working on my own web browser viewer and it need both side work clint and server sp you can render spatial objects
2015-10-17 12:14 <Jsync> Yeah, I wasn't aware that you as well were interested in that particular development. I have heard it mentioned of a few others though.
2015-10-17 12:16 <linkedinyou> saddly to say and this is againest viewer developer here that there viewer is like you force regular users to download 3d max or Autocad to there system rather then simplifing things to regular user who just came to enjoy virtualising
2015-10-17 12:16 <Jsync> I think the answer is a "Residents' Viewer". It helps in Viewer Development as well because simple processes are separated & easy to work on & focus improvement intent about. Like, considering my "starwarsgrid.com" page & the information provided & wording of things, I am technically focused & forget about the differences between my own use of OpenSim & what the Residents use it for & experience.
2015-10-17 12:18 <Jsync> The separate viewers would help the community I think.
2015-10-17 12:18 <linkedinyou> opnsim still developer side tell we get community use it lol
2015-10-17 12:19 <Jsync> I am thinking about making an open development project specific to this & just documenting the separation process & why I am putting out a stripped viewer & modified "OpenSim" specific viewer
2015-10-17 12:20 <linkedinyou> another development?
2015-10-17 12:20 <Jsync> Well, a Developers Viewer & stripped down Residents' Viewer
2015-10-17 12:20 <linkedinyou> you are dragging your slf to the same hole cycle
2015-10-17 12:20 <Jsync> & I'll make a forum & if anybody wants to make mention of specific OpenSim modifications needed, then they can do that.
2015-10-17 12:21 <Jsync> Though it'll just use & attempt to stay true to "Firestorm" (I guess)
2015-10-17 12:21 <linkedinyou> we already have Osgrid public forum post there
2015-10-17 12:22 <Jsync> With a couple of specific "OpenSim" modifications - people have mentioned a need for things in general, though we don't have an active open project anywhere, or just rumors of people wanting to work on something
2015-10-17 12:22 <linkedinyou> why me and others do not use osgrid forum i do not know 
2015-10-17 12:23 <Jsync> Well, I am thinking about a project site that is not specific grid-related & is an open project - anybody can help & it's all documented publically
2015-10-17 12:23 <linkedinyou> using firestorm is like using Blender but it is online
2015-10-17 12:24 <Jsync> I'm thinking about something specifically for development & technical documentation
2015-10-17 12:24 <jakdaniels> Jsync have you looked at the OnLook viewer? It's a modified version of Singularity that has a customisable interface (via data sent from a region) that is aimed to provide a simple interface to users/residents who don't need all the complexities of a full blown viewer.
2015-10-17 12:24 <jakdaniels> it's still work in progress
2015-10-17 12:25 <linkedinyou> developments and technical in opensimulator.org
2015-10-17 12:25 <jakdaniels> but it may be of interest to you
2015-10-17 12:25 <Jsync> Though yeah, I agree with you, linkedinyou, it's redundant to the users whom are not practically full time developers
2015-10-17 12:25 <jakdaniels> http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/opensim/onlook-viewer/
2015-10-17 12:25 <linkedinyou> Onlook viewer is great idea as Diva always do the greatest ideas
2015-10-17 12:26 <linkedinyou> but onlook still singu
2015-10-17 12:26 <jakdaniels> well it's a lot easier to take an existing viewer and selectively remove stuff than it is to code a new viewer from the ground up
2015-10-17 12:28 <Jsync> right & then the necessity for developing things in the viewer is separated out to whom needs the upgrade & it's much easier to implement new things then
2015-10-17 12:28 <linkedinyou> jakdaniels: we have viewer from the ground up it is Radgast Ikalif viewer
2015-10-17 12:29 <jakdaniels> and singu seems to work better with Opensim than firestorm does...
2015-10-17 12:29 <jakdaniels> yes I know Radegast I use it too sometimes.
2015-10-17 12:29 <linkedinyou> we have everything but we do not have one heart lol
2015-10-17 12:29 <Jsync> though I think the answer for the desire for a web browser view is a "Demo Cam Module", though I think it's totally redundant right now - no offense. I suggest, "Just make 2 different viewers & make youtube videos for your demos". It seems a focus merely for advertising, so why not just make some youtube videos for your .html site?
2015-10-17 12:31 <jakdaniels> I wonder if it's possible to take photospheres in-world then view them in a browser like google streetview
2015-10-17 12:31 <linkedinyou> Jsync: are you Twitching opensim ahahhaha
2015-10-17 12:33 <Jsync> It's nearly a request for a totally different & new extension & language just so it's more practically to make a browser with support for a demo-status anonymous login & demo perspective. I see the issue & idea, while it's misdirected if it's need for general browser compatibility right now. Some people can't even get flash installed for youtube - we don't need a demo-cam viewer compatibility for a while
2015-10-17 12:33 <linkedinyou> twitch.tv is ok but 99% of opensimers hiden there personality inworld
2015-10-17 12:40 <Jsync> I even want to take ability to fly out of the Residents' Viewer
2015-10-17 12:41 <linkedinyou> Jsync: you can fly with cloud-base viewer they done it before too
2015-10-17 12:41 <Jsync> They don't even need "Inventory" is what I am thinking. Make an inworld "armoire" object that changes an avatars' clothes. I think typical residents get frustrated because of that technically focused viewer. They need the capability to type & move their avatar around. I am thinking barest of necessities for a Residents' Viewer
2015-10-17 12:42 <linkedinyou> like imvu?
2015-10-17 12:43 <Jsync> Make everything region host & grid host side & remove development capabilities to the people that aren't in the grid so they can develop.
2015-10-17 12:44 <Jsync> the community would grow. Development teams would happen. the user population would increase for sure is what I am thinking
2015-10-17 12:45 <linkedinyou> user-base , , ultimate for developer 
2015-10-17 12:46 <Jsync> part of the issue seems that OpenSim grid owners & region hosts forget that other people might not have come from SL & spent a lot of time there. They also forget that others aren't development focus. I think OpenSim could become big still, though it would require a unified focus on marketing & theming the grid experience to a user base
2015-10-17 14:56 <Melanie_> misterblue: Not yet. It's taken on a life of it's own and I can either publish a half ass paper or work on it for another couple of weeks
2015-10-17 15:01 <misterblue> k... wondered... I've been looking into radical designs for viewers and physics engines so I was wondering what radical things you were thinking
2015-10-17 15:16 <diva> Melanie_ share, even if just by email. I'd like to take a look too
2015-10-17 15:18 <Melanie_> soon as I have the current muddy thinking out of it
2015-10-17 15:18 <Melanie_> i wrote something into it that would have been great
2015-10-17 15:18 <misterblue> if you share in a small group, we can add our two cents... have sections like "Todo: describe interaction between static and non-static objects"
2015-10-17 15:18 <Melanie_> but won't work in today's .net 
2015-10-17 15:18 <Melanie_> so i have to redesign that particular flow
2015-10-17 15:18 <Melanie_> i'll share with the two of you
2015-10-17 15:18 <Melanie_> once that's done
2015-10-17 15:28 <diva> hey Ubit ping
2015-10-17 15:28 <diva> oh he's not here...
2015-10-17 15:34 <nebadon> there he is diva :)
2015-10-17 15:34 <Ubit> oh?
2015-10-17 15:34 <diva> hey Ubit
2015-10-17 15:34 <Ubit> hi
2015-10-17 15:35 <diva> so it looks like the major thing hold off avn branch is the cleaning up of ODE, yes? Is there anything major that you want to do?
2015-10-17 15:36 <Ubit> im just found a issue with old ode physic setting
2015-10-17 15:36 <Melanie_> you mean merging avn? i've been feeling it might be ready for some time now
2015-10-17 15:36 <Ubit> err but what you mean cleaning up ode ?
2015-10-17 15:36 <Melanie_> diva: you created a mechanism to prevent too old simulators connecting to the grid server
2015-10-17 15:36 <Melanie_> that's not working
2015-10-17 15:37 <Melanie_> i upped both minimum and maximum version on that interface
2015-10-17 15:37 <Melanie_> but it still connects
2015-10-17 15:37 <Melanie_> that really should be fixed before we merge
2015-10-17 15:37 <diva> Ubit: I mean either have only one ODE physics module or else calling them appropriate names so to denote that one of them will eventually go away
2015-10-17 15:37 <Melanie_> so we can force osgrid to update in one go
2015-10-17 15:38 <Ubit> i don't think ode naming is a issue for now
2015-10-17 15:38 <Melanie_> diva: I don't see them going away
2015-10-17 15:38 <diva> why?
2015-10-17 15:38 <diva> are they really different?
2015-10-17 15:38 <Ubit> neither can preview when old ode can be considered to remove
2015-10-17 15:38 <Ubit> yes diva, specially on vehicles handling
2015-10-17 15:38 <Melanie_> there are a lot of grids who will want to use the old ODE indefinitely
2015-10-17 15:39 <Melanie_> because the new one would force them to remake all their vehicles
2015-10-17 15:39 <Ubit> yeap
2015-10-17 15:39 <diva> ah! so that's what I thought I heard!
2015-10-17 15:39 <Melanie_> so the new ODE is for new grids and those where content is in the hands of only a few
2015-10-17 15:39 <diva> there are deeper issues then
2015-10-17 15:40 <Melanie_> for those who need the feature completeness of ODE
2015-10-17 15:40 <diva> how would they need to remake their vehicles? WOuld they need to rewrite scripts?
2015-10-17 15:40 <Melanie_> diva: did you see about the interface?
2015-10-17 15:40 <nebadon> pretty much yes, rewrite vehicle scripts
2015-10-17 15:40 <Ubit> yes diva.. deep changes on scripts
2015-10-17 15:40 <diva> Melanie_ Yes, but let me finish this ODE conversation
2015-10-17 15:40 <Melanie_> that needs fixing so we can force-update osgrid
2015-10-17 15:40 <Melanie_> i need to run
2015-10-17 15:41 <Melanie_> so, let's talk this first
2015-10-17 15:41 <Melanie_> then you have lots of time for ode
2015-10-17 15:41 <diva> ok
2015-10-17 15:41 <Ubit> ok
2015-10-17 15:41 <diva> so what's the issue? The interface numbers?
2015-10-17 15:41 <Melanie_> point is, before we merge avn, we need to cut an OSGrid release that will allow osg to force everyone to update to that release
2015-10-17 15:41 <Melanie_> that is the wearables count fix
2015-10-17 15:41 <Melanie_> and the versioning you added to the grid service interface
2015-10-17 15:42 <Melanie_> doesn't seem to work
2015-10-17 15:42 <Melanie_> so that's a blocking issue for the avnmerge to come to master
2015-10-17 15:42 <diva> ok, I'll take a look
2015-10-17 15:42 <Melanie_> k, laters
2015-10-17 15:42 <Ubit> ( ive a somewhat strong wind storm around.. lost power several times,  may happen again )
2015-10-17 15:42 <diva> so what should happen? An old simulator should not be able to connect to the grid service?
2015-10-17 15:44 <Ubit> mel tried to use the by version (?) block mechanism, because of incompatible protocol changes, and that didn't work
2015-10-17 15:46 <Ubit> see her code at commit SHA-1: 0a23d1634de7196e9b92de3f9295a50f61c5de4b
2015-10-17 15:47 <diva> ok, I'll take a look a little later. I need to go out for a few hours
2015-10-17 15:47 <Ubit> ok
2015-10-17 15:47 <Ubit> about ode... well think you now understand why i defend keeping both
2015-10-17 15:49 <misterblue> old ode had many differences in vehicles when compared to tuning for SL.... BulletSim and the new ODE have vehicle parameters closer to SL'isms... so vehicle scripts tuned for the old ODE don't work on BulletSim and the new ODE
2015-10-17 15:49 <Ubit> yeap
2015-10-17 15:49 <Ubit> also a few diferences on other things than vehicles
2015-10-17 15:51 <shyRobbiani> will vehicles tuned for BulletSim be 100% compatible with new ODE?
2015-10-17 15:52 <Ubit> for both engines, goal is behavour similar to SL spec , so in time the diferences will be reduced 
2015-10-17 15:53 <Ubit> at moment sure there will be diferences..
2015-10-17 15:53 <misterblue> won't claim 100% but it should be close... both are trying to be SL compatible
2015-10-17 15:53 <Ubit> yeap
2015-10-17 15:54 <Ubit> builders should report diferences, before working around them
2015-10-17 16:35 <osmantis> Bug #7109:04 [BULLETSIM TERRAIN HEIGHTMAP] Bad request for terrain height and SystemAccessViolationException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7109 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2015-10-17 16:35 <osmantis> Bug #7109:04 [BULLETSIM TERRAIN HEIGHTMAP] Bad request for terrain height and SystemAccessViolationException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7109 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2015-10-17 16:44 <Ubit> djphil thats on master or avinationmerge ?
2015-10-17 16:47 <djphil> that a old mantis (2014-04-13) I have not tested it recently.
2015-10-17 16:47 <djphil> Simply I see no reaction to this mantis long time ...
2015-10-17 16:48 <Ubit> and still happens on master ?
2015-10-17 16:48 <djphil> no tested ...
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2015-10-17 18:00 <jakdaniels> Plugh: the birds module is updated, it now has basic security. It gets the avatar's UUID that is using chat, or the owner UUID of the prim with a script that is sending commands via chat. This is compared against a list of allowed UUIDS defined in the .ini and the command is accepted if there is a match in the list. The list may also contain ESTATE_OWNER and ESTATE_MANAGER.
2015-10-17 18:00 <Plugh> ok, cool.
2015-10-17 18:00 <Plugh> ty
2015-10-17 18:03 <Plugh> lot sof white space changes
2015-10-17 18:05 <jakdaniels> yeah, it's stupid visual studio insisting on using CR/LF.... then on a reload it says 'line ending's are inconsistent' want to change them... so I change them to LF only... and the horrid cycle starts again
2015-10-17 18:06 <Plugh> Isn't there a git setting about how to handle line endings?
2015-10-17 18:07 <jakdaniels> yes... I had a macro for that once I think that would fix it, but not sure where that went
2015-10-17 18:08 <Plugh> Perhaps I'm thinking of SVN where you could have it automatically convert line endings one checkout and checkin.
2015-10-17 18:08 <jakdaniels> I'm sure git can do that too
2015-10-17 18:09 <Plugh> git config --global core.autocrlf true
2015-10-17 18:09 <jakdaniels> should i go with crlf or just unix lf ?
2015-10-17 18:10 <Plugh> It is autocrlf so it will likely use unix style line endings in the repo and change them on checkout if needed based on the operating system in use.
2015-10-17 18:10 <Plugh> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/170961/whats-the-best-crlf-carriage-return-line-feed-handling-strategy-with-git
2015-10-17 18:11 <jakdaniels> ok thanks... i'll have a read and make some changes to the git config on my dev boxes
2015-10-17 18:13 <Plugh> yw
2015-10-17 18:13 <Plugh> I should check that too for my machine.
2015-10-17 18:13 <jakdaniels> oh it's per repo, not per machine :)
2015-10-17 18:19 <nebadon> Ubit if you ever get a chance check this out maybe see if you could get it working with ubode? http://forge.opensimulator.org/legacy-projects/MICASimulator
2015-10-17 18:20 <nebadon> it is an awesome mod that stopped working while back
2015-10-17 18:21 <nebadon> it was for ODE though
2015-10-17 18:22 <Plugh> Does it just need the assembly statements updated to get it working with latest OS or is something else broken in it?
2015-10-17 18:23 <nebadon> i am not even sure at this point what it need
2015-10-17 18:23 <nebadon> but sice ubit is sort of resurecting ODE, be cool to see this work again, it was a lot of fun 
2015-10-17 18:25 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM4fmL6dLdY
2015-10-17 18:26 <Plugh> hm... those dates show it is old. Is it supposed to be a region module?
2015-10-17 18:26 <Plugh> Doesn't appear to be in region module structure.
2015-10-17 18:26 <nebadon> it is very old
2015-10-17 18:29 <nebadon> it is the one thing from opensim that i regret seeing not be maintained
2015-10-17 18:32 <Plugh> jakdaniels: The info says to use 'input' for OS X or Linux for handling line endings then never documents that setting.
2015-10-17 18:32 <nebadon> damn this is cool
2015-10-17 18:32 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfppzAzG3L0
2015-10-17 18:33 <jakdaniels> I've tried following the instructions given, but it doesn't seem to work. Some files still have mixed line endings...
2015-10-17 18:35 <Plugh> did you use the auto setting or the input setting?
2015-10-17 18:35 <Rodger__> hg is failing i am unable to hg to my region from any grid
2015-10-17 18:35 <Rodger__> no firewall
2015-10-17 18:35 <Rodger__> dmz is set
2015-10-17 18:35 <Rodger__> logs
2015-10-17 18:35 <Rodger__> http://pastebin.com/CrUUy22x
2015-10-17 18:36 <Rodger__> no erros on osgrid region console or destination console i just get message teleport failed
2015-10-17 18:36 <jakdaniels> I used the example .gitattributes file Plugh
2015-10-17 18:37 <Plugh> ok. That tells it how to deal with the files. You may need to fix the endings then check in the files with the proper endings for them to be set correctly on checkout.
2015-10-17 18:37 <jakdaniels> ok, let me try that
2015-10-17 18:38 <Plugh> I think SVN might have done the conversion on the fly during both checkout and checking.
2015-10-17 18:38 <Plugh> -g
2015-10-17 18:38 <Rodger__> how do i find out what is making the hg teleport fail?
2015-10-17 18:38 <jakdaniels> yes that is cool nebadon, although all those wind currents seem very small scale compared to RL 
2015-10-17 18:39 <jakdaniels> in size/area I mean...
2015-10-17 18:40 <Plugh> Rodger__: Is your code up to date?
2015-10-17 18:44 <Rodger__> 0.8.2 and tried 0.8.1.1
2015-10-17 18:51 <Rodger__> 19:48:53 - [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: Teleport of rodger roy from franchesca t
2015-10-17 18:51 <Rodger__> o mwelcome was refused because
2015-10-17 18:51 <Rodger__> 19:48:53 - [ENTITY TRANSFER STATE MACHINE]: Agent ff11bc47-2deb-a55a-9531-e8706d
2015-10-17 18:51 <Rodger__> 736121 cleared from transit in franchesca
2015-10-17 18:51 <Ubit> ok nebadon ill look
2015-10-17 18:52 <nebadon> awesome, thanks ubit, would be great to see it working again
2015-10-17 18:52 <Ubit> well at least should work with old
2015-10-17 18:57 <Ubit> hmm if i can understand why is old so broken now
2015-10-17 19:00 <Rodger__> i am seeing this in my lofs /:80/foreignagent/ff11bc47-2deb-a55a-9531-e8706d736121
2015-10-17 19:01 <Rodger__> why is it putting a portnumber in the middle of the path?
2015-10-17 19:18 <Rodger__> this is frustrating i can hg in and out of my grid no issue but if i login to osgrid and try to tp to my grid it fails how can hg only half work
2015-10-17 19:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #4329 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-10-17 19:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4329: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4329/
2015-10-17 19:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix GetTerrainHeightAtXY also on master. Fix wrong active angularlock detection (it was only burning cpu), stop trying to add a amotor to each child part and fix a typo.
2015-10-17 19:41 <Rodger__> who here know apache and mod rewrite?
2015-10-17 19:41 <Rodger__> someone on this planet must know htaccess as stackexchange is no use and i need to fix this hg url port in the middle weirdness
2015-10-17 20:07 <nebadon> Rodger we have to specify the port or the viewer gets unhappy
2015-10-17 20:08 <nebadon> it wasnt really designed to use port:80, port 80 is generally regarded as silent
2015-10-17 20:08 <nebadon> OSgrid uses port 80 for all services
2015-10-17 20:25 <Rodger__> i want to post a $100 code bount to the person that can find out the exact issue with hypergrid.php from https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/simiangrid and update it
2015-10-17 20:57 <nebadon> Rodger__ the only people using simiangrid is MOSES grid
2015-10-17 20:58 <nebadon> I dont think anyone here even has access to that repository
2015-10-17 20:59 <nebadon> also MOSES grid doesnt even use or support Hypergrid
2015-10-17 20:59 <nebadon> personally I would say do not touch Simiangrid with a 10 foot pole, but that is just my opinion
2015-10-17 20:59 <nebadon> from what I saw of it on MOSES grid its not good
2015-10-17 21:00 <nebadon> at best its incomplete
2015-10-17 21:00 <nebadon> especially inventory was quite bad
2015-10-17 21:02 <nebadon> that said I thik MOSES has another repo might be newer / better code, I dont know
2015-10-17 21:02 <nebadon> https://github.com/M-O-S-E-S/mgm-simiangrid
2015-10-17 21:02 <nebadon> your pretty much on your own though, its unlikely anyone here has any experience with this at all
2015-10-17 21:03 <nebadon> might get lucky though
2015-10-17 21:35 <Plugh> Rodger__: what does it do?
2015-10-17 21:45 <Rodger__> nebadon the issue is in the hypergrid.php it is not decoding thejson request
2015-10-17 21:45 <Rodger__> all this needs is to update that 1 php file
2015-10-17 21:45 <Rodger__> plugh what does what do?
2015-10-17 21:45 <Plugh> The php file you were asking about.
2015-10-17 21:47 <Rodger__> oh it handles connecting hg users to simiangrid. looking at all the erros i found a pattern its json issue
2015-10-17 21:51 <Melanie_> why did you choose simian?
2015-10-17 21:52 <Melanie_> it's not like it's popular or something
2015-10-17 21:52 <Melanie_> hardly anyone uses it
2015-10-17 21:53 <Rodger__> the only issue i have is hg and its lines 63-80 and line 531 fix that and simian is working great
2015-10-17 21:53 <Rodger__> melanie we use it because everything seems to be instant
2015-10-17 22:04 <misterblue> simian is all web server... no problems with what http library you're using
2015-10-17 22:05 <misterblue> I wish more of OpenSimulator would get out of using strange libraries and using the tools everyone else is using... like regular web servers
2015-10-17 22:06 <misterblue> the grid server should just be an apache web server
2015-10-17 22:07 <misterblue> or, more specifically... the grid server service should be implemented with an apache web server
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2015-10-17 23:15 <nebadon> Misterblue that would be cool, if it was compatible with the standard opensim database
2015-10-17 23:16 <nebadon> I did not like the way simiangrid did database
2015-10-17 23:16 <nebadon> though perhaps that changed later, when i was testing it, it was like 1 database that everything got stuffed into
2015-10-17 23:29 <misterblue> I'm a little surprised that it used  the database differently... the original goal was to just provide a grid service using scalable web technology rather than the one-off, use-some-http-library solution
2015-10-17 23:31 <Plugh> misterblue: sounds like a good idea
2015-10-17 23:31 <w-t-h> a problem with 'webservers' is that alot of them exist everthing from a bash shell to your programming laguage of choice offering software as a service
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2015-10-17 23:37 <Ubit> uff the damm things didn't want to stop :)
2015-10-17 23:37 <Ubit> specially that okc  crazy car :)
2015-10-17 23:39 <misterblue> ubit... are you mainly hacking on your ODE?
2015-10-17 23:39 <misterblue> 
ACTION thinks it needs its own name

2015-10-17 23:39 <Ubit> rename bullets as mbBullet :)
2015-10-17 23:40 <Ubit> actually its old ode
2015-10-17 23:40 <diva> yeah I think we need to rename your iode Ubit
2015-10-17 23:41 <diva> something ODE2 or ODESL or something like that
2015-10-17 23:41 <Ubit> for some reason on avnmerge the thing kept sending a aceleration..
2015-10-17 23:41 <Ubit> diva.. i named the damm thing already
2015-10-17 23:42 <diva> what do you mean?
2015-10-17 23:42 <Ubit> i already renamed it before the merge
2015-10-17 23:43 <Ubit> not going to do it again now
2015-10-17 23:43 <diva> core shouldn't have pieces of code named after specific developers. It's better to have descriptive names. I don't name renaming it myself, I'm used to doing that...
2015-10-17 23:43 <diva> I don't * mind
2015-10-17 23:43 <Ubit> who told you is named after specific devs ?
2015-10-17 23:44 <diva> but I openly declare that I'm not very good with names so if someone has a better suggestion than ODE2 or ODESL by all means...
2015-10-17 23:44 <Ubit> yr the one reading 'ub' as a dev name :p
2015-10-17 23:44 <diva> it is!
2015-10-17 23:44 <diva> what does ub mean otherwise?
2015-10-17 23:44 <diva> if it has a meaning beyond your name, that's fine
2015-10-17 23:44 <Ubit> other this :p
2015-10-17 23:44 <Ubit> thing..
2015-10-17 23:44 <diva> ?
2015-10-17 23:45 <Ubit> bahh let me worry about bugs and not names
2015-10-17 23:45 <diva> yes, as I said, I don't mind changing it
2015-10-17 23:45 <diva> and if ub means something good that's fine too
2015-10-17 23:46 <Ubit> actually i did asked here for a name  got no sugestions made up one :p
2015-10-17 23:46 <diva> names are easy to change
2015-10-17 23:46 <Ubit> bahh several files...  
2015-10-17 23:47 <diva> when I donated my groups implementation to core I changed the whole naming conventions. It used to have diva all over, including in the db tables
2015-10-17 23:47 <Ubit> well its not Ubit is it ?
2015-10-17 23:47 <diva> does it mean something?
2015-10-17 23:47 <diva> I think it needs to have a descriptiove name, like version 2 or SL-compatible or something like that
2015-10-17 23:47 <Ubit> means its not old ode
2015-10-17 23:49 <diva> well it's unfortunate that the string used to denote "not old one" is so close to your name. I think we should change it, because it's not a good principle to associate developer names with core code
2015-10-17 23:50 <Ubit> diva really thats the worse problem u see on current code ?
2015-10-17 23:51 <diva> yes, that's a problem to solve before merging to master, and I'd like to merge to master soon
2015-10-17 23:51 <Ubit> well i made the damm thing, i named the damm thing
2015-10-17 23:51 <diva> oh
2015-10-17 23:51 <Ubit> you don't like it... well
2015-10-17 23:51 <Ubit> jezuus
2015-10-17 23:51 <diva> hmm
2015-10-17 23:52 <diva> well we don't have any other instances in the core code  where developer names are used
2015-10-17 23:52 <diva> and people have done all sprts of things
2015-10-17 23:53 <misterblue> 
ACTION loves how little things turn into drama

2015-10-17 23:53 <diva> that's been an unwritten coding principle, I think. No one has ever made it explicit
2015-10-17 23:53 <Ubit> will you be happier if i remove the damm thing ?
2015-10-17 23:53 <misterblue> drama
2015-10-17 23:53 <diva> No
2015-10-17 23:54 <misterblue> remove is not the question... just need a name so people can talk about whether they have ode1 or ode2
2015-10-17 23:54 <diva> I will not be happier if you remove it. I'm just pointing out that there is not other instance in the entire code base where developer names are associated with code
2015-10-17 23:54 <Ubit> you are the one seeing "names"
2015-10-17 23:54 <diva> and I would hate that we start to do that 
2015-10-17 23:54 <diva> Misterblue saw it first
2015-10-17 23:55 <diva> you are seeing it too apprently
2015-10-17 23:55 <Ubit> yeap misterblue seen it when it was named UbitOde
2015-10-17 23:55 <Ubit> as it still it as avn
2015-10-17 23:56 <diva> I have no idea what misterblue knows about avination. I'm just seeing the conversation here. Misterblue mentioned it 15 minutes ago
2015-10-17 23:57 <diva> and indeed the module's name is starkingy similar to yours, and you have said that that's intentional because you wrote it
2015-10-17 23:57 <misterblue> "ubOde" works for me.... ask opposed to "old ode"... 
2015-10-17 23:57 <Ubit> mb you can compile on linux64b and 32b ?
2015-10-17 23:58 <misterblue> the different versions need some handle
2015-10-17 23:58 <Ubit> my linux boxes are dead :(
2015-10-17 23:58 <Ubit> well except one on a pentium I :)
2015-10-17 23:58 <misterblue> ya... I have some AWS systems set up so I can do the 32 bit compile as well as 64 bit
2015-10-17 23:58 <misterblue> I don't have a great solution for Mac
2015-10-17 23:59 <Ubit> ok.. let me then do some more testing on ode 0.13.1
2015-10-17 23:59 <misterblue> someone gave me access to their Mac systems so I could compile there... but not a totally perfect solution
2015-10-18 00:01 <Ubit> mb i should also name it ubOde 0.13.1 :p
2015-10-18 00:03 <misterblue> there is some code in BulletSim for choosing different binaries for different configurations -- I figured we'd need different compiliation for CUDA vs OpenCL vs whatever
2015-10-18 00:03 <misterblue> especially since all the OpenCL libraries are different
2015-10-18 00:03 <Ubit> i add that thing about opcode or gimpact
2015-10-18 00:04 <Ubit> gimpact does nicer mesh-mesh colisions
2015-10-18 00:04 <misterblue> what about that?
2015-10-18 00:04 <misterblue> ya.. but it's more compute intensive
2015-10-18 00:04 <Ubit> worse.. on ode it fails same faces
2015-10-18 00:05 <Ubit> its a older version that the one on bullet..
2015-10-18 00:05 <misterblue> I should move to Bullet3... Bullet, in general, needs better mesh-to-mesh computation
2015-10-18 00:05 <Ubit> so guess opcode is the best option for ode
2015-10-18 00:06 <Ubit> at least its a bit faster and doesn't miss colisions ( except terrain versus capsule )
2015-10-18 00:17 <Ubit> anyone uses axis lock on "old ode" ?
2015-10-18 00:21 <diva> Melanie_ are you around?
2015-10-18 00:40 <Ubit> errr
2015-10-18 00:41 <Ubit> running both ode engines at same time isn't funny lol
2015-10-18 00:42 <Ubit> hmm guess they didn't  just old ode didn't like ubMesh..
2015-10-18 01:25 <nebadon> Bullet3 has better threading options misterblue? like gpu support and stuff?
2015-10-18 01:27 <misterblue> yes... it's supposed to have GPU support and such
2015-10-18 01:28 <Ubit> how many instances per gpu ?
2015-10-18 01:28 <misterblue> my biggest problem is that every GPU library is different.. with different versions
2015-10-18 01:28 <misterblue> it wll be a nightmare keeping up with all the versions
2015-10-18 01:39 <nebadon> yea
2015-10-18 02:18 <Plugh> Bullet3?
2015-10-18 02:23 <nebadon> Its Bullet v3 Plugh
2015-10-18 02:24 <nebadon> we are using older version like 2.8 or something
2015-10-18 02:31 <Ubit> damm version 0.13.1 amotors don't work as well as 0.12.1, breaking things like elevators :(
2015-10-18 02:33 <Ubit> misterblue  bullet physics movetotarget works? i see code on it  but  my test prim doesn't move
2015-10-18 02:33 <Ubit> script that does move at sl and ubode
2015-10-18 02:34 <Ubit> ( a test elevator actually )
2015-10-18 02:36 <Ubit> uff a total disaster on old ode
2015-10-18 02:37 <Ubit> unless yr a miner digging underground :)
2015-10-18 02:40 <Ubit> ohh hell  axis lock aren't save :(
2015-10-18 03:16 <nebadon> honestly I dont really see ODE getting much better than it was heh
2015-10-18 03:16 <nebadon> it is worth trying newer versions occasionaly
2015-10-18 03:16 <nebadon> but I would not expect huge changes between versions
2015-10-18 03:16 <nebadon> improvement wise that is
2015-10-18 03:17 <Ubit> well the 13.1 almost works, excluding the roll friction they added bc it whould require a full update of both ode engines
2015-10-18 03:18 <Ubit> but the amotors used on axis lock, fail :(
2015-10-18 03:29 <Ubit> but yeap.. no fixes on terrain.. etc
2015-10-18 03:35 <Ubit> guess ill go back to the pacthed 0.12 :(
2015-10-18 03:35 <Ubit> a few more patchs about null references etc to put in
2015-10-18 03:36 <Ubit> not touching on the threading code and changes to the solver
2015-10-18 03:36 <Ubit> well or i can try to mk 13.1 work :)
2015-10-18 15:01 <osmantis> Bug #7719:04 Rigged & unrigged mesh transparency rendering issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7719 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-10-18 15:16 <osmantis> Bug #7714:04 Opensimulator crashes on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7714 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-10-18 15:22 <osmantis> Bug #7714:04 Opensimulator crashes on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7714 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-10-18 15:46 <osmantis> Bug #7688:04 Order of operations incorrect when subtracting two lsl vectors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7688 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-10-18 15:54 <osmantis> Bug #7062:04 utterly mystifying Syntax error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7062 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-10-18 16:07 <osmantis> Bug #7186:04 Looping Sounds Stops 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7186 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-10-18 16:24 <djphil> ping nebadon
2015-10-18 16:24 <djphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLtI-2uCRVY
2015-10-18 16:24 <djphil> You know ?
2015-10-18 16:27 <shyRobbiani> cool
2015-10-18 17:08 <Melanie_> diva: I'm here now
2015-10-18 17:09 <Plugh> djphil: neat
2015-10-18 17:10 <diva> hi, So I think I fixed the protocol version check but I have a question
2015-10-18 17:10 <diva> what exactly changed that makes things incompatible? and do they really need to be nominally incompatible?
2015-10-18 17:11 <diva> basically niminal incompatilibity makes a mess in the hypergrid, and it's always better to evolve with backwards compatibility if at all possible
2015-10-18 17:13 <Melanie_> they must be nominally incompatible
2015-10-18 17:13 <Melanie_> it is required that OSgrid updates as a whole
2015-10-18 17:14 <Melanie_> because that forces everyone else to do so as well
2015-10-18 17:14 <Melanie_> the thing is that we have a new wearable type. the code on the 0.8.1 is buggy
2015-10-18 17:14 <Melanie_> it was intended to be written to ignore any additional unknown types
2015-10-18 17:14 <diva> there are two protocol version mechanisms, that I can see. One is in connecting to the grid services, and that's what I think you are talking about when talking about osgrid. But the other is on teleports
2015-10-18 17:15 <Melanie_> but due to the use of the wrong variable in code, instead it hard-crashes 
2015-10-18 17:15 <Melanie_> i made a patch to -pf that adds that resiliency
2015-10-18 17:15 <Melanie_> only the resiliency, not the new functionality
2015-10-18 17:15 <Melanie_> and we need to force everyone to go to that version
2015-10-18 17:16 <Melanie_> because teleporting from the NEW code to the old code WILL bomb, every time
2015-10-18 17:16 <Melanie_> and we can't detect the old version when setting up the teleport
2015-10-18 17:16 <diva> everytime or only when a new type of asset is involved?
2015-10-18 17:16 <Melanie_> everytime
2015-10-18 17:16 <Melanie_> teleport from new -> old can never succeed
2015-10-18 17:16 <Melanie_> so old needs to be made to go away
2015-10-18 17:17 <diva> k, let me check the code you added to 0.8.1
2015-10-18 17:17 <Melanie_> to allow for more flexibility
2015-10-18 17:17 <nebadon> djphil, yes I am aware of it, but if I recall it requires you to make changes to the viewer
2015-10-18 17:17 <Melanie_> before we update the version/force the update
2015-10-18 17:17 <nebadon> the data sets they use too are very limited
2015-10-18 17:17 <djphil> yes, it requiere a viewer patch and a additionnal opensim module
2015-10-18 17:17 <Melanie_> my idea is to encode the "version" in the reply to QueryAccess
2015-10-18 17:17 <nebadon> you cant just use any data I recall
2015-10-18 17:18 <nebadon> it has to be from a specific collection of GIS data
2015-10-18 17:18 <nebadon> which is very limited
2015-10-18 17:18 <Melanie_> so that, in the future, we can weed out incompatible versions that way
2015-10-18 17:18 <Melanie_> rather than having an older version crash
2015-10-18 17:19 <djphil> yes, maybee ...
2015-10-18 17:19 <diva> don't we do that already, Melanie?
2015-10-18 17:19 <diva> to some extent
2015-10-18 17:19 <Melanie_> no
2015-10-18 17:20 <Melanie_> the SIMULATION/x.x has a slightly different purpose 
2015-10-18 17:20 <Melanie_> it's also settable from the ini, allowing people to override it and this really needs something unoverridable
2015-10-18 17:21 <diva> ok
2015-10-18 17:21 <Melanie_> in this particular case, a bump in the simulation version could be used to make the rest of the hypergrid update
2015-10-18 17:21 <diva> so if ppl upgrade to 0.8.1-pf they should be fine from then on, yes?
2015-10-18 17:21 <Melanie_> but we need to make osgrid's users force-upgrade
2015-10-18 17:21 <Melanie_> this affects crossings
2015-10-18 17:21 <Melanie_> and a version-patchwork osgrid would be a very bad place to be n
2015-10-18 17:22 <Melanie_> homogenous grids can easily update en-block
2015-10-18 17:22 <Melanie_> but osgrid and metropolis need to force their users to upgrade or risk crashing on every region border
2015-10-18 17:22 <diva> yeah that part I think I fixed yesterday. YOu may want to check. The conditional there looked really simple but I think it was wrong
2015-10-18 17:22 <diva> well I'm going to make a new D2 today then
2015-10-18 17:23 <Melanie_> with auth stuff in it?
2015-10-18 17:23 <diva> auth? what do you mean? Auth has always been there
2015-10-18 17:23 <diva> I mean 0.8.1-pf
2015-10-18 17:24 <diva> so that ppl get the fix to cope with the new asset type
2015-10-18 17:24 <diva> is there anything that should go to pf right now?
2015-10-18 17:24 <diva> should we send MajorInterfaceVersion on QueryAccess?
2015-10-18 17:25 <Melanie_> i meant auth for additional web pages :)
2015-10-18 17:25 <Melanie_> the auth token stuff we spoke about
2015-10-18 17:25 <diva> oh
2015-10-18 17:25 <Melanie_> and you said you'd have this weekend
2015-10-18 17:25 <diva> yeah I'm working on that too. It's all 0.8.1-pf-land
2015-10-18 17:26 <diva> so should we do something more to 0.8.1-pf to make the transition smoother?
2015-10-18 17:26 <Melanie_> MajorInterfaceVersion is one thing but i'd really like to encode the actual build "number" - but we removed build numbers
2015-10-18 17:26 <Melanie_> so maybe another number
2015-10-18 17:27 <Melanie_> that we can set independently of MajorInterfaceVersion
2015-10-18 17:27 <Melanie_> something like "TeleportInterfaceVersion"
2015-10-18 17:28 <diva> do we really need yet another number? We have so many already!
2015-10-18 17:28 <Melanie_> that the entity transfer module can use in the future to introduce special compatibility code to ease things like this
2015-10-18 17:28 <Melanie_> well, what are the ramifications of bumping MajorInterfaceVersion?
2015-10-18 17:28 <Melanie_> where else is it cheched, what else would it block?
2015-10-18 17:28 <diva> let me see
2015-10-18 17:29 <diva> hmm
2015-10-18 17:29 <diva> actually it looks like MajorInterfaceNumber is not used for much
2015-10-18 17:30 <diva> as far as I can see it's only used for displaying info to the user
2015-10-18 17:30 <diva> the comment on top of its definition is completely wrong
2015-10-18 17:37 <Ken_S> FYI, we have found at least a couple of cases where the new merge branch displays script errors and dev master does not
2015-10-18 17:37 <Ken_S> Dev master is apparently ignoring some script errors that the new branch does not.
2015-10-18 17:37 <Ken_S> This does not mean the new branch is in error.
2015-10-18 17:38 <Ken_S> It means the new branch is more correct and contains better/more error checking code.
2015-10-18 17:40 <Ken_S> We have found and corrected some bad code because of these new error messages that never showed before.
2015-10-18 17:40 <Ken_S> So this is a plus :)
2015-10-18 17:41 <Melanie_> diva: if that number is not currently blocking other interfaces, we can use it here
2015-10-18 17:42 <diva> we could use it. But in any case, there is some semantic overlap between it and SIMULATION/x.x
2015-10-18 17:43 <Melanie_> the point is that simlation version can be fudged
2015-10-18 17:43 <Melanie_> and if we make it use just that, there will be a "pro tip" going around soon to fudge that
2015-10-18 17:43 <Melanie_> and that would negate all the effort
2015-10-18 17:44 <diva> Ken_S it would be very helpful if you could write a wiki page detailing those differences, so that we can include that info for the release
2015-10-18 17:45 <diva> Melanie_ I'm just a bit worried about making a mess out of the logic for checking versions...
2015-10-18 17:45 <diva> right now we are already doing stuff like this:
2015-10-18 17:45 <diva> if (theirVersionNumber < 0.3f && size > 256)
2015-10-18 17:45 <Melanie_> well, if we were to remove the override of the simulation version
2015-10-18 17:46 <Melanie_> so people can't fudge it in config (why on earth was that ever put int?)
2015-10-18 17:46 <diva> yeah that's probably better. It was configurable because for a while we were experimenting with different teleport procedures
2015-10-18 17:47 <Melanie_> if queryaccess gives back that simulation string
2015-10-18 17:47 <Melanie_> then we cn use that, remove the override
2015-10-18 17:47 <Melanie_> else make it give that back
2015-10-18 17:47 <Melanie_> we still need the hard lockout on grid services
2015-10-18 17:47 <Melanie_> to force osgrid to upgrade
2015-10-18 17:48 <diva> yeah that's definitely a different thing, the connection to the grid service. And that's confusing too, but I think it's working now
2015-10-18 17:50 <diva> so Melanie_ what happens now if a 0.8.1-pf simulator sends a TP request to a simulator running master?
2015-10-18 17:50 <diva> or vice versa
2015-10-18 17:51 <Melanie_> master has the fix
2015-10-18 17:51 <Melanie_> avnmerge has the additional wearable
2015-10-18 17:51 <Melanie_> all combinations of -pf, master and avnmerge are good
2015-10-18 17:51 <diva> no TP fails?
2015-10-18 17:51 <Melanie_> but avnmerge -> 0.8.1 crashes
2015-10-18 17:51 <Melanie_> it crashes the destination
2015-10-18 17:52 <diva> plain 0.8.1, yes? 0.8.1-pf is fine
2015-10-18 17:52 <Melanie_> correct
2015-10-18 17:53 <diva> ok, let me not worry about improving the versioning right now. Just cut a new D2 out of 0.8.1-pf
2015-10-18 17:53 <Melanie_> current master, 0.8.1-pf, just don't understand that wearable
2015-10-18 17:53 <diva> and probably a new opensim release too
2015-10-18 17:53 <Melanie_> but it won't hurt them
2015-10-18 17:53 <Melanie_> and i want an opensim release from master before pulling down avnmerge
2015-10-18 17:53 <Melanie_> because that'll be messy still
2015-10-18 17:53 <Melanie_> as much as has been done to make it work
2015-10-18 17:54 <Melanie_> it will need time to settle and find the last bugs
2015-10-18 17:54 <Melanie_> ad people should not have to waut for the master goodness
2015-10-18 17:54 <diva> gotcha. so I'm not going to invest time in improving versioning right now. SHould we think about doing a new release 0.8.2, like, soon?
2015-10-18 17:55 <diva> like, now?
2015-10-18 17:55 <diva> is master stable enough? I think it is, right?
2015-10-18 17:55 <nebadon> sooner the better I think
2015-10-18 17:55 <nebadon> this could be hugely disruptive to OSCC
2015-10-18 17:55 <nebadon> which is coming up fast
2015-10-18 17:55 <diva> I'll cherry pick the versioning fix from avnmerge branch
2015-10-18 17:55 <nebadon> OSCC is going to be very reliant on OSCC this year
2015-10-18 17:55 <diva> what could, neb?
2015-10-18 17:55 <nebadon> more so than last year
2015-10-18 17:56 <nebadon> having breaking / crashing versions of Hypergrid transport
2015-10-18 17:56 <nebadon> doing it now is good
2015-10-18 17:56 <nebadon> doing it a week before OSCC
2015-10-18 17:56 <nebadon> i will murder everyone
2015-10-18 17:56 <diva> right
2015-10-18 17:56 <diva> I think master is pretty stable, isn't it?
2015-10-18 17:56 <nebadon> yea
2015-10-18 17:56 <nebadon> OSGrid is always master
2015-10-18 17:57 <nebadon> pretty much
2015-10-18 17:57 <nebadon> partially anyway
2015-10-18 17:57 <diva> ok, so let's do a 0.8.2 release, like, this week
2015-10-18 17:57 <diva> that way I don't need to do an intermidiate D2 with 0.8.1-pf
2015-10-18 17:59 <nebadon> this does mean diva though
2015-10-18 17:59 <nebadon> OSCC has to go up to that code
2015-10-18 17:59 <nebadon> which is risky
2015-10-18 17:59 <nebadon> I am not saying we shouldnt, but it means running very new code on OSCC
2015-10-18 18:00 <diva> we could put it on 0.8.1-pf, but that one doesn' thave the inventory fixes
2015-10-18 18:01 <diva> neb I guess we just need to try a load test at least once, and fall back to what it was if that doesn't go well
2015-10-18 18:03 <nebadon> yea
2015-10-18 18:03 <nebadon> I suspect it will be ok
2015-10-18 18:03 <nebadon> OSGrid Event Plaza is running latest code
2015-10-18 18:03 <nebadon> and every friday they have a party with a bunch of attendees
2015-10-18 18:03 <nebadon> there was 50-60 people at Justins fairwell party
2015-10-18 18:04 <nebadon> I think the version of mono i choose is more important than what version of opensim I choose
2015-10-18 18:04 <Ken_S> Last party it crashed before party and during party
2015-10-18 18:04 <nebadon> im thinking 3.2.8 or 3.12.1
2015-10-18 18:05 <Ken_S> Dan moved a nearby sim, and restarted, and then it was fine
2015-10-18 18:05 <nebadon> k
2015-10-18 18:05 <nebadon> ya OSCC is way more controlled than OSGrid is
2015-10-18 18:05 <nebadon> no scripts etc..
2015-10-18 18:05 <Ken_S> It seems the nearby sim was causing issues to the Event Plaza from what Dan said
2015-10-18 18:05 <nebadon> it should do much much better
2015-10-18 18:05 <nebadon> yes var region stuff
2015-10-18 18:05 <nebadon> typical
2015-10-18 18:05 <nebadon> var regions need to be isolated
2015-10-18 18:06 <Ken_S> Yes, Ive seen it too
2015-10-18 18:06 <nebadon> or next to other similarly sized vars
2015-10-18 18:06 <Ken_S> Sim crossings between 2 vars of same size is bad.
2015-10-18 18:06 <nebadon> not on Encitra grid
2015-10-18 18:06 <nebadon> its perfect
2015-10-18 18:06 <nebadon> you have large ones though
2015-10-18 18:06 <nebadon> so id expect trouble
2015-10-18 18:06 <Ken_S> One direction may work fine, other direction may crash viewer
2015-10-18 18:06 <nebadon> on larger than 768x768 with stuff like that
2015-10-18 18:07 <nebadon> well going forth and back fast is even bad on 256m2
2015-10-18 18:07 <nebadon> corner cross too
2015-10-18 18:07 <Ken_S> These are 3 adjoining 4x4 vars
2015-10-18 18:07 <nebadon> i have 15 adjoinging
2015-10-18 18:07 <nebadon> i dont recall crashing on crosses recently 
2015-10-18 18:07 <nebadon> not in the past year
2015-10-18 18:07 <Ken_S> But these sims are fully loaded too
2015-10-18 18:07 <nebadon> there are many factors though
2015-10-18 18:07 <nebadon> ya
2015-10-18 18:08 <diva> ok, Melanie let's create 0.8.2-post-fixes branch out of current master
2015-10-18 18:08 <nebadon> Encitra grid I am very calculating with content
2015-10-18 18:08 <nebadon> if something performs bad, i erase and rebuild it
2015-10-18 18:08 <nebadon> i wouldnt consider those bugs
2015-10-18 18:08 <nebadon> personally
2015-10-18 18:08 <nebadon> PEBKAC
2015-10-18 18:09 <nebadon> :P
2015-10-18 18:09 <Ken_S> I just take it that its best to have any var isolated.
2015-10-18 18:09 <nebadon> yea
2015-10-18 18:09 <nebadon> for now
2015-10-18 18:09 <nebadon> better to not mix and match odd sized regions
2015-10-18 18:09 <nebadon> the thing is most people dont realize
2015-10-18 18:09 <nebadon> if you have a 10x10 var
2015-10-18 18:10 <Melanie_> k. but i think we need to change 0.8.1-pf to send InterfaceMajorVersion in the QueryAccess reply
2015-10-18 18:10 <nebadon> that means anything within 10 cells neighborwise
2015-10-18 18:10 <nebadon> will be seen
2015-10-18 18:10 <Melanie_> and master as well, of course
2015-10-18 18:10 <Ken_S> But them what do you do with 40 sims that make up a city....
2015-10-18 18:10 <nebadon> so a 10x10 is really 30x30
2015-10-18 18:10 <nebadon> if you dont want any neighbors
2015-10-18 18:10 <Melanie_> otherwise we'd still have installations out there without a detectable version
2015-10-18 18:10 <nebadon> this bites a lot of folks
2015-10-18 18:10 <nebadon> no doubt
2015-10-18 18:11 <nebadon> say there was 100 265m2 regions in that 30x30
2015-10-18 18:11 <nebadon> that means your var has 100 connections
2015-10-18 18:11 <nebadon> just to see neighbors
2015-10-18 18:11 <diva> do we Melanie? I though we were all set on versioning
2015-10-18 18:11 <Melanie_> diva: no. thisis future-proofing
2015-10-18 18:12 <Melanie_> in fact, it may allow us a sliding transition after all
2015-10-18 18:12 <diva> aren't we going with SIMULATION/x.x as the main signal?
2015-10-18 18:12 <Melanie_> because, if we add the interface version to the queryaccess reply on ALL codebases 
2015-10-18 18:12 <Melanie_> yes, or that
2015-10-18 18:12 <Melanie_> if we add the simulation string on ALL codebases that don't crash with the extra wearable
2015-10-18 18:13 <Ken_S> I would certainly give up seeing any neighbors if it would help the vars.
2015-10-18 18:13 <Melanie_> then all versions where QueryAccess _lacks_ that version string can be considered old
2015-10-18 18:13 <nebadon> it would Ken_S for sure
2015-10-18 18:13 <Melanie_> and the wearable could be omitted
2015-10-18 18:13 <nebadon> we literally have no problems on Encitra grid
2015-10-18 18:13 <Melanie_> allowing to retain HG connectivity
2015-10-18 18:13 <nebadon> and we do some very complex models that are very very large
2015-10-18 18:13 <Melanie_> smxy would be very pleased if we could pull that rabbit from the hat
2015-10-18 18:13 <diva> so do we need to add anything to master?
2015-10-18 18:14 <Melanie_> yes
2015-10-18 18:14 <Melanie_> 0.8.1-pf, master and avnmerge need to include the simulation string in the reply to QueryAccess
2015-10-18 18:14 <diva> check if it's greater than 0.3 and ignore any unknown wearable types?
2015-10-18 18:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #4330 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-10-18 18:14 <diva> they all already do that
2015-10-18 18:15 <Melanie_> and ONLY avnmerge needs to check if it's greater than 0.3
2015-10-18 18:15 <diva> but they aren't doing anything regarding extra wearable types
2015-10-18 18:15 <Melanie_> no but they don't crash from them either
2015-10-18 18:15 <Melanie_> that is the important part
2015-10-18 18:15 <diva> ok great, so we don't actually need to do anything at this point :)
2015-10-18 18:15 <Melanie_> yes we do
2015-10-18 18:15 <Melanie_> we need to add that string to the reply
2015-10-18 18:16 <Melanie_> as it's not in there yet
2015-10-18 18:16 <diva> ?
2015-10-18 18:16 <diva> it's already added
2015-10-18 18:16 <Melanie_> when was that?
2015-10-18 18:16 <diva> SIMULATION/x.x
2015-10-18 18:16 <Melanie_> as a reply to QueryAccess?
2015-10-18 18:16 <diva> yes! errrr. let me triple check but that was the whole point of it
2015-10-18 18:16 <Melanie_> we need it on QueryAccess. the point where it is checked right now is past the crash point
2015-10-18 18:17 <Melanie_> so we need to pull that check forward by including the simulation string in the data the sim sends back on QueryAccess
2015-10-18 18:17 <Melanie_> allowing us to determine the simulation version of the destination before sending actual data
2015-10-18 18:18 <diva> Melanie QueryAccess already sends the simulation version string
2015-10-18 18:18 <diva> and receives one back
2015-10-18 18:18 <Melanie_> ok
2015-10-18 18:18 <Melanie_> then that changes everything
2015-10-18 18:19 <Melanie_> so, on 0.8.1-pf and master
2015-10-18 18:19 <diva> I don't know if we need to check it in some places more
2015-10-18 18:19 <Melanie_> bump it to 0.4 and make them accept 0.4
2015-10-18 18:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4330: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4330/
2015-10-18 18:19 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: The protocol version checking on the grid server connector seemed to have a bug. I think I fixed it.
2015-10-18 18:19 <Melanie_> on avnmerge, bump it to 0.4, make it accept 0.4 and also make it OMIT the new wearable if less than 0.4
2015-10-18 18:20 <Melanie_> that should keep the hypergrid intaxt
2015-10-18 18:20 <Melanie_> and allow us to force-upgrade OSG
2015-10-18 18:20 <Melanie_> and it should be happy faces all around
2015-10-18 18:20 <diva> I don't think we need to bump master and 0.8.1-pf to 0.4, They should be fine on 0.3. Just bump avn to 0.4
2015-10-18 18:20 <Melanie_> i disagree
2015-10-18 18:21 <Melanie_> i think all versions that can tolerate the extra wearable should be bumped
2015-10-18 18:21 <Melanie_> because even though they don't use it
2015-10-18 18:21 <Melanie_> they pass it along
2015-10-18 18:21 <Melanie_> by not bumping, it means passing from a new sim to an old back to a new would lose the wearable from the avatar
2015-10-18 18:21 <JeffKelley> whats this new wearable ?
2015-10-18 18:21 <diva> ok
2015-10-18 18:22 <Melanie_> bumping means going new->old->new lets the last sim still have it
2015-10-18 18:22 <Melanie_> 0.3 should mark sims that would crash if the wearable is sent
2015-10-18 18:22 <Melanie_> e.g. 0.8.1 and prior
2015-10-18 18:22 <Melanie_> of course we could make 0.4 be "can tolerate" and 0.5 "can use"
2015-10-18 18:22 <Melanie_> but that distinction is needless, IMHO
2015-10-18 18:23 <Melanie_> but what needs to be done in all branches affected
2015-10-18 18:23 <Melanie_> is that the option to override it from config has to be removed
2015-10-18 18:25 <diva> does it really? Will it crash other people's sims or just the sim that's setting it wrong?
2015-10-18 18:32 <nebadon> I think its the viewer that can crash
2015-10-18 18:32 <nebadon> not the sim
2015-10-18 18:40 <diva> in any case, it doesn't make much sense to continue to be able to set that variable. It is useful for experimentation, but that's about it. No one should be setting that variable to anything other than a default set up by us
2015-10-18 19:36 <Melanie_> diva: it would crash the destination (someone else's sim) if set too low on the source
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2015-10-18 22:39 <diva> hmm, Melanie_ setting the version number to 0.4 in master / 0.8.1-pf will be very problematic, because of a check that Justin added at some point that uses the oldest teleport procedure if the destination version is greater than the current version
2015-10-18 22:40 <diva> really nonsensical, but everyone running 0.8.1 will have that check there
2015-10-18 22:40 <diva> so I think I'll keep 0.3 in master
2015-10-18 22:41 <diva> otherwise ppl running 0.8.1 gris may have problems TP-ing to OSCC when we update OSCC to the upcoming 0.8.2 which will be cut out of current master
2015-10-18 22:47 <nebadon> (っ◕‿◕)っ
2015-10-18 23:02 <diva> The MajorInterfaceVersion is a mute piece of info, I'll leave it alone, but it's noise
2015-10-18 23:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #4331 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-10-18 23:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4331: SUCCESS in 4 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4331/
2015-10-18 23:11 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Clean up of simulation version, the number that rules the compatibility of teleports:
2015-10-19 00:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #4332 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-10-19 00:03 <diva> nebdon ping
2015-10-19 00:03 <diva> nebadon
2015-10-19 00:04 <nebadon> hey
2015-10-19 00:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4332: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4332/
2015-10-19 00:04 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Added warning in RegionCombinerModule about it being considered obsolete and encouraging people to switch to varregions.
2015-10-19 00:05 <diva> do you know wher ein the opensimulator box is mono? I don't have in on my path
2015-10-19 00:05 <nebadon> probably /opt
2015-10-19 00:05 <nebadon> /opt/mono-2.10.8.1/bin
2015-10-19 00:06 <nebadon> is my best guess without logging in
2015-10-19 00:06 <diva> I wonder why justin had that on his path and I don't
2015-10-19 00:07 <nebadon> hmm not sure, I was the one who setup mono so it makes sense that is where it is
2015-10-19 00:07 <nebadon> I set it up for Jenkins though
2015-10-19 00:07 <nebadon> i never added it to anyones user space
2015-10-19 00:07 <diva> how can I add it to my oath?
2015-10-19 00:07 <diva> path
2015-10-19 00:07 <nebadon> edit .bashrc
2015-10-19 00:08 <nebadon> then
2015-10-19 00:08 <nebadon> export PATH="/home/<user>/bin/mono/bin:$PATH"
2015-10-19 00:08 <nebadon> export PKG_CONFIG_PATH="/home/<user>/bin/mono/lib/pkgconfig:$PKG_CONFIG_PATH"
2015-10-19 00:08 <nebadon> export MANPATH="/home/<user>/bin/mono/share/man:$MANPATH"
2015-10-19 00:08 <nebadon> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/home/<user>/bin/mono/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH"
2015-10-19 00:08 <nebadon> export MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU=2048
2015-10-19 00:08 <nebadon> export MONO_GC_PARAMS=nursery-size=64m
2015-10-19 00:08 <nebadon> adjust paths accordingly
2015-10-19 00:08 <nebadon> make /home/<user /opt/mono-2.10.8.1
2015-10-19 00:09 <nebadon> restart bash
2015-10-19 00:09 <nebadon> that outta do it
2015-10-19 00:09 <diva> ? why ob my bin?
2015-10-19 00:09 <nebadon> read more down :)
2015-10-19 00:10 <nebadon> i copied and pasted from my userspace instructions
2015-10-19 00:10 <nebadon> which use a symlink
2015-10-19 00:10 <nebadon> actually you may prefer that method
2015-10-19 00:10 <nebadon> so you can change mono version on fly without restarting bash
2015-10-19 00:10 <nebadon> up to you
2015-10-19 00:10 <nebadon> you just chnage the symlink
2015-10-19 00:11 <nebadon> that points to /opt/mono-x.x.x etc..
2015-10-19 00:11 <diva> k
2015-10-19 00:11 <nebadon> ya actually im sorry i
2015-10-19 00:11 <nebadon> if you dont use symlink method
2015-10-19 00:11 <nebadon> change /home/<user>/bin/mono to >>> /opt/mono-2.10.8.1
2015-10-19 00:12 <nebadon> and if your just compiling ignore the last 2 lines
2015-10-19 00:12 <nebadon> thats for runtime only
2015-10-19 00:13 <diva> MONO_GC_PARAMS must be a comma-delimited list of one or more of the following:
2015-10-19 00:13 <diva>   max-heap-size=N (where N is an integer, possibly with a k, m or a g suffix)
2015-10-19 00:14 <diva> those instructions have it MONO_GC_PARAMS=nursery-size=64m
2015-10-19 00:14 <nebadon> ya that is correct
2015-10-19 00:14 <diva> what's correct?
2015-10-19 00:15 <diva> do I even need that for ocmpiling?
2015-10-19 00:16 <nebadon> heh no
2015-10-19 00:16 <nebadon> you must have missed me saying that
2015-10-19 00:16 <nebadon> the last 2 lines are runtime only
2015-10-19 00:16 <diva> ok I think I'm rolling. Thanks
2015-10-19 00:17 <nebadon> cool
2015-10-19 00:32 <diva> now if only I could understand justin's release scripts...
2015-10-19 01:40 <Ken_S> So when the new code (merge branch) is running on a sim for example in osgrid,
2015-10-19 01:41 <Ken_S> and someone tries to TP to it from a sim running older code exactly what will happen?
2015-10-19 01:41 <Ken_S> And also exactly what will happen if they are on the sim with the new code and try to TP to a sim with the older code?
2015-10-19 03:06 <diva> Ken_S there shuldn't be any issues in any direction between any version
2015-10-19 03:10 <Ken_S> Diva, so no warnings or anything about needing to upgrade the older sim software?
2015-10-19 03:10 <Ken_S> I thought the whole point was a forced upgrade.
2015-10-19 03:15 <diva> yes
2015-10-19 03:17 <diva> 0.8.3 (avn) -> 0.8.1 TPs will fail. Nothing should crash, but the TP should fail, I think. So since osgrid is always on dev code, Maleanie was suggesting to force the update to at least 0.8.2
2015-10-19 03:20 <diva> I still need to clarify this a bit more with her
2015-10-19 03:26 <diva> I still dont understand why TPs should fail in the first place...
2015-10-19 03:26 <diva> we have enough information to prevent bad info from being sent
2015-10-19 03:42 <diva> nebadon, I'm getting this error when compiling on that box
2015-10-19 03:42 <diva>                   [csc] The compiler for "Mono 2.0 Profile" does not support limiting the platform on which the compiled code can run.
2015-10-19 03:43 <diva> what am I doing wrong?
2015-10-19 03:50 <diva> z
2015-10-19 04:01 <misterblue> been driving one of Nebadon's cars across region boundries using avinationmerge... works pretty well
2015-10-19 04:09 <nebadon> diva what running?
2015-10-19 04:09 <nebadon> nice misterblue
2015-10-19 04:09 <nebadon> what command are you running that is producing that message?
2015-10-19 04:10 <nebadon> that box was setup to use nant I think
2015-10-19 04:11 <nebadon> and i totally forget how to do that now
2015-10-19 04:12 <diva> I added an argument to nant. But it looks like OpenSim.build is outdated
2015-10-19 04:12 <diva> I mean I passed over the problem but still that file is outdated. How on earth do ppl compile in Linux?
2015-10-19 04:13 <nebadon> xbuild normally
2015-10-19 04:14 <nebadon> not sure if you can do unit tests with xbuild
2015-10-19 04:14 <nebadon> maybe
2015-10-19 04:14 <nebadon> we use nant for unit tests though on that box
2015-10-19 04:15 <diva> OpenSim.build is missing the target for mono and .net 4.0
2015-10-19 04:15 <diva> if you add it and run nant with it, it works. Otherwise it fails with that error
2015-10-19 04:16 <nebadon> we may have to abandon nant at some point
2015-10-19 04:16 <nebadon> i am not sure its maintained anymore
2015-10-19 04:17 <nebadon> NAnt 0.92 Release June 9, 2012
2015-10-19 04:17 <nebadon> at some point that will probably stop working
2015-10-19 04:17 <nebadon> if we ever decide to move to newer mono waters
2015-10-19 04:30 <diva> so neb how do ppl build in linux? xbuild?
2015-10-19 04:31 <misterblue> that didn't work.... four adjacent 1K regions... I crossed on but the viewer crashed crossing to the third regin
2015-10-19 04:31 <misterblue> it might not be the 1K regions... will test with legacy sized....
2015-10-19 04:35 <nebadon> yes i do > runprebuild.sh > xbuild
2015-10-19 04:37 <diva> oh man... doing the rc's was a breeze compared to writing the relase notes for this one... that's gonna take a while
2015-10-19 04:47 <nebadon> probably wont be as bad as the next release though
2015-10-19 04:47 <nebadon> Release Notes: Replaced Everything..
2015-10-19 04:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #4333 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-10-19 05:00 <shyRobbiani> nebadon: probably due to some unsupported functionality in xbuild I've got a lot of errors when I tried to build using xbuild the last time on Debian 8 (Jessie) with Mono 4.
2015-10-19 05:00 <shyRobbiani> as I stepped back to an older Mono version I didn't investigate more time into the problem.
2015-10-19 05:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4333: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4333/
2015-10-19 05:00 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: On to 0.8.3!
2015-10-19 05:01 <nebadon> odd, i use xbuild on versions up to 4.3.0 without any problems
2015-10-19 05:04 <shyRobbiani> ok, then I'll try it again and come back on you in case of problems
2015-10-19 05:06 <nebadon> never mix running nant and xbuild
2015-10-19 05:06 <nebadon> that probably wouldnt go to good
2015-10-19 05:06 <shyRobbiani> no, I never did... I've always been using xbuild
2015-10-19 05:08 <diva> 0.8.2.0-rc1 is now available, but the release notes will take a bit longer http://dist.opensimulator.org/
2015-10-19 05:11 <nebadon> nice
2015-10-19 05:16 <shyRobbiani> cool :)
2015-10-19 05:17 <diva> I could really use help on the release notes... If anyone knows things that have been fixed, please add them here in the corresponding section: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/0.8.2.0_Release
2015-10-19 05:18 <nebadon> I will mention that at the tuesday meeting
2015-10-19 05:18 <diva> thanks
2015-10-19 05:21 <nebadon> brb have to reboot this workstation
2015-10-19 05:29 <nebadon> bah kernel update had to recompile nvidia drivers
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2015-10-19 10:07 <smxy> So, if I update to current Dev Master HEAD, avatars from what OpenSim version will/won't be able to teleport to my grid?
2015-10-19 14:29 <Plugh> Ubit, in commit 2b35490 you said key still requires explicit compare to NULL_KEY. From what I see in the code it already has the ability to be used as 'if (key)'. It checks for the value of NULL_KEY.
2015-10-19 16:08 <Melanie_> diva: ping
2015-10-19 16:08 <Melanie_> unwise to leave the version at 0.3
2015-10-19 16:09 <Melanie_> it means there is no way to distinguish between a version that will crash and one that wont
2015-10-19 16:09 <Melanie_> the version MUST be 0.4 in the 0.8.1-pf, master and avn
2015-10-19 16:31 <diva> Melanie_ it doesn't crash if avn branch does the right thing
2015-10-19 16:31 <diva> it just needs to check the version of the other sim and not send the thing that makes it crash
2015-10-19 16:31 <diva> I still don't know exactly what makes it cras, but it should be possible to avoid sending it
2015-10-19 16:35 <Ubit> diva its a bit hard to avoid sending it
2015-10-19 16:35 <Ubit> bc its buried deep into serializers
2015-10-19 16:36 <Ubit> the issue is basicly a array size, staticly defined
2015-10-19 16:37 <Ubit> wearbles are stored on a array indexed by wearable type
2015-10-19 16:37 <Ubit> wih max dimension == max known wearable type
2015-10-19 16:37 <Ubit> type ID more exactly
2015-10-19 16:38 <diva> can you point me to the lines of code that cause the other sim to crash? The serialization maybe?
2015-10-19 16:39 <Ubit> it was on deserialize.. and now only older versions do crash
2015-10-19 16:39 <Ubit> others more recent just fail silently that particular tp
2015-10-19 16:39 <diva> but can you point me to the avn code that does the corresponding serialization?
2015-10-19 16:40 <diva> I want to check how hard it is to do the right hting
2015-10-19 16:40 <Ubit> dig avatarwearables.cs
2015-10-19 16:41 <Ubit>  public OSD Pack()
2015-10-19 16:41 <Ubit> public void Unpack(OSDArray args)
2015-10-19 16:41 <Ubit> possible there are paralell code paths doing that also
2015-10-19 16:42 <Ubit> the "ofending" max type is on that file also...
2015-10-19 16:42 <Ubit> for now still comented so tests work ok
2015-10-19 16:43 <Ubit> btw this isn't a avn code issue but a master one
2015-10-19 16:44 <Ubit> lot long ago master also had a similar problem with visualparameters.. also assumed as a static array... ( well very long ago.. )
2015-10-19 16:49 <Ubit> yeap AvatarAppearence does own serialization, not using that pack unpack above
2015-10-19 16:49 <diva> we need to think very carefully about this. Justin nonsensical test is basically going to unleash mass confusion over teleports if we change 0.8.2 to SIMULATION/0.4
2015-10-19 16:50 <Ubit>  public void Unpack(OSDMap data)  on avatarAppearence think 
2015-10-19 16:50 <Ubit>                    int count = wears.Count;                    if (count > AvatarWearable.MAX_WEARABLES)                        count = AvatarWearable.MAX_WEARABLES;
2015-10-19 16:51 <diva> yes I found the problem
2015-10-19 16:51 <Ubit> this was the "fix"  for now.. just clamping to the maz the region knows
2015-10-19 16:51 <Ubit> max
2015-10-19 16:51 <Ubit> well all that code needs a revision now...
2015-10-19 16:52 <Ubit> it even forces limits  lower than viewers
2015-10-19 16:52 <nebadon> whatever happens I think any kind of revision change needs to come after OSCC
2015-10-19 16:52 <Ubit> btw the ofending new wearable type was just the now old Physics..
2015-10-19 16:53 <nebadon> in the master branch anyway
2015-10-19 16:53 <Ubit> yeap i also don't like blocking tps bc such a minor thing... 
2015-10-19 16:53 <Ubit> but it does kill old regions 
2015-10-19 16:54 <Ubit> early 0.8 ?
2015-10-19 16:54 <diva> I would advocate postpoing the addition of the new wearable for another release cycle, until everyone has time to update to 0.8.2, which has the fix to handle larger lists of wearables. In this release, 0.8.2 should be compatible with 0.8.1 or else it's a mess
2015-10-19 16:54 <Ubit> well did coment it out for now bc of that
2015-10-19 16:54 <diva> that was wise
2015-10-19 16:55 <Ubit> its not a very critical thing...
2015-10-19 16:55 <nebadon> yea if it was some serious sercurity flaw id say lets consider something drastic
2015-10-19 16:55 <Ubit> just we do need to handle it on day :)
2015-10-19 16:55 <nebadon> but this
2015-10-19 16:55 <nebadon> no
2015-10-19 16:55 <nebadon> this needs to wait
2015-10-19 16:56 <Ubit> ufff u should had seen mel... when i killed avn welcome region with her there and soem new clients :)
2015-10-19 16:56 <diva> and I think we should continue to comment it until 0.8.2 is released and widely adopted. 0.8.2 also removes that nonsensical test of the teleport max version, so it is future-proof
2015-10-19 16:56 <Ubit> first time i did update the damm max wearables on test region :)
2015-10-19 16:58 <diva> I need to be afk for a few hours, but I'll talk to Mel later. We really cannot disrupt the transition from 0.8.1 to 0.8.2, and that test that Justin added is a future-bomb
2015-10-19 16:58 <Ubit> hmm test justin added?
2015-10-19 17:00 <Ubit> on protocol/version checks ?
2015-10-19 17:00 <diva> it's not in avn branch anymore, I removed it yesterday, but it was in EntityTransferModule, DoTeleportInternal, the very last conditional on that method
2015-10-19 17:00 <Ubit> ok
2015-10-19 17:01 <diva> he was checking whether the destination sim's version is greater than ours, and if so, he would kick the old V1 teleport procedure, which is really ... duh
2015-10-19 17:01 <diva> basically he was only doing teleport V2 is the versions are the same
2015-10-19 17:01 <diva> if
2015-10-19 17:02 <Ubit> hmm did you pushed that ?
2015-10-19 17:02 <diva> yes, I think so
2015-10-19 17:03 <Ubit> ahh see it
2015-10-19 17:03 <Ubit> ok
2015-10-19 17:05 <diva> laterz
2015-10-19 17:05 <Ubit> have fun :)
2015-10-19 17:29 <Melanie_> diva: I disagree
2015-10-19 17:29 <Ubit> :)
2015-10-19 17:30 <Melanie_> we should go to 0.4 with master and 0.8.1-pf 
2015-10-19 17:30 <Ubit> she left for a while mel 
2015-10-19 17:30 <Melanie_> i think Justin's test needs to go away
2015-10-19 17:30 <Melanie_> that's all
2015-10-19 17:30 <Ubit> think diva removed it on avnmerge, at least one is gone 
2015-10-19 17:31 <Melanie_> i will need to look into it
2015-10-19 17:31 <Melanie_> but i don't want to postpone
2015-10-19 17:31 <Melanie_> the confusion about this needs to be made to go away
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2015-10-19 20:51 <diva> Melanie if we switch 0.8.2 to 0.4 it will destabilize teleports between 0.8.1 and 0.8.2 because of justin's test. So 0.8.2 needs to be the stepping stone
2015-10-19 20:51 <diva> we don't need that extra wearable, it's not urgent
2015-10-19 21:24 <diva> Also, Melanie, it's not that difficult for the latest code to detect an older simulator and send only 15 wearables
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2015-10-19 22:25 <shyRobbiani> nebadon: the following is the error I mentioned yesterday that I get when I compile with mono 4.0.4 using xbuild on Debian 8 (jessie):
2015-10-19 22:25 <shyRobbiani> Errors: /home/shy/git-hub/opensim/OpenSim.sln (default targets) ->
2015-10-19 22:25 <shyRobbiani> (Build target) ->
2015-10-19 22:27 <shyRobbiani> .. /home/shy/git-hub/opensim/OpenSim/Region/CoreModules/OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.csproj
2015-10-19 22:28 <shyRobbiani> .. : error : Error building target ImplicitlyExpandDesignTimeFacades: startIndex + length cannot exceed length of string.
2015-10-19 22:28 <shyRobbiani> ..Parameter name: length
2015-10-19 22:28 <shyRobbiani>          72 Warning(s)
2015-10-19 22:28 <shyRobbiani> 1 Error(s)
2015-10-19 22:29 <shyRobbiani> I dont get this error on a clone of the same system with Mono 3.2.8. 
2015-10-19 22:30 <Melanie_> diva: why would that test of justin's affect versions prior to the version bump?
2015-10-19 22:31 <diva> it affects TPs from 0.8.1 --> later
2015-10-19 22:31 <Melanie_> with 0.8.2 on 0.4 and 0.8.1 on 0.3, 0.3 would be chosen
2015-10-19 22:31 <diva> no
2015-10-19 22:31 <diva> check the test
2015-10-19 22:31 <Melanie_> can you point me to it so i don't have to search?
2015-10-19 22:31 <Melanie_> and i don't want this to get kicked into the long grass
2015-10-19 22:32 <Melanie_> if we can't use simulation/x.x then a new param on QueryAccess is needed to be on all versions that can handle the extra wearable
2015-10-19 22:32 <Melanie_> even if it's just for that
2015-10-19 22:32 <Melanie_> param = flag on return value
2015-10-19 22:33 <diva> EntityTransferModule , DoTeleportInternal, the last conditional on that method. You;ll need to look at code in 0.8.1, because I already fixed in both master and avn
2015-10-19 22:37 <diva> I don't understand why you think this is so important. An extra wearable doesn't seem very immportant to me. It seems like it can come on the avn merge, and that will be it. Moreover, the avn code can check if it's talking to an older simulator and send one less wearable in that case
2015-10-19 22:38 <Melanie_> what did you fix there? I still see that check in master
2015-10-19 22:38 <diva> there was an extra clause that I removed
2015-10-19 22:38 <Melanie_> oops
2015-10-19 22:38 <Melanie_> i didn't pull
2015-10-19 22:39 <Melanie_> yes I see
2015-10-19 22:39 <Melanie_> it's not that one wearable
2015-10-19 22:40 <Melanie_> it's futureproofing and I know from prior experience that this will be forgotten and 6 months down the line when yet another wearable is added it will explode again
2015-10-19 22:40 <Melanie_> this is the cusp point, we have this one and only one chance to mark all versions that can take a variable number of werables
2015-10-19 22:41 <Melanie_> if we miss marking 0.8.1-pf and 0.8.2 as able to receive it
2015-10-19 22:41 <Melanie_> then it won't be sent to those versions even by 0.8.3
2015-10-19 22:41 <Melanie_> now is the time to mark these versions
2015-10-19 22:41 <diva> it doesn't look like a big deal to not send it to the older versions
2015-10-19 22:41 <Melanie_> so QueryAccess needs to have a new flag then, variable_wearable_count_supported
2015-10-19 22:41 <Melanie_> or similar
2015-10-19 22:41 <diva> no
2015-10-19 22:42 <Melanie_> and why such a categorical no?
2015-10-19 22:43 <diva> I'm not going to do that. That's completely messy, for no good reason, and I have better things to do. We'll live with 0.8.2 and earlier having exactly 15 wearables. It seems like a perfectly reasonable limitation, given system evolution. I would hate to litter the code with additional version numbers that no one knows what they mean 2 releases from now.
2015-10-19 22:43 <Ubit> adding filtering like that is a total mess
2015-10-19 22:44 <Melanie_> that means 0.8.2, which we will continue to see around for a year or more, would eat and discard that wearable and any others that may be added, even when only passing through it between two newer sims
2015-10-19 22:45 <diva> yes
2015-10-19 22:45 <diva> and that's fine
2015-10-19 22:45 <Melanie_> that would kill the nonhuman avatar project dead, it has more wearables
2015-10-19 22:45 <Melanie_> so this is needed
2015-10-19 22:45 <Melanie_> we can't push nonhuman support back a year because you don't want a flag
2015-10-19 22:45 <diva> ppl will upgrade when they want new goodies
2015-10-19 22:45 <Melanie_> no. what you're proposing would kill any nonhuman, even when just assing through
2015-10-19 22:45 <Melanie_> passing*
2015-10-19 22:46 <diva> that's hypergrid only
2015-10-19 22:46 <Melanie_> they'd have to relog because they'd be missing half their appearane, their skeleton and all animations
2015-10-19 22:46 <Melanie_> no, even walking around OSG
2015-10-19 22:46 <diva> risks of hypergriding
2015-10-19 22:46 <diva> oh
2015-10-19 22:46 <diva> osg is different
2015-10-19 22:46 <diva> we're talking about different things here
2015-10-19 22:46 <Melanie_> so this is needed
2015-10-19 22:46 <diva> if you want osg to force update, we can do that
2015-10-19 22:46 <Melanie_> queryaccess is used in crossing, too
2015-10-19 22:46 <diva> no
2015-10-19 22:46 <Melanie_> not just teleport
2015-10-19 22:46 <diva> no
2015-10-19 22:46 <diva> we can force-upgrade OSG without doing this
2015-10-19 22:47 <diva> therer are 2 different versining numbers to play with
2015-10-19 22:47 <Melanie_> and what about metropolis and others like it?
2015-10-19 22:47 <diva> one governs the connection to the grid services
2015-10-19 22:47 <diva> we can force that
2015-10-19 22:47 <diva> no problem
2015-10-19 22:47 <Melanie_> can't on those?
2015-10-19 22:47 <diva> same thing
2015-10-19 22:47 <Melanie_> you can't if they don't upgrade central services
2015-10-19 22:47 <diva> make the grid services 1-up
2015-10-19 22:47 <diva> so>?
2015-10-19 22:48 <Melanie_> why do you want to scupper the nonhuman project?
2015-10-19 22:48 <Melanie_> because that's what you'd be doing
2015-10-19 22:48 <Melanie_> push back even half assed working nonhuman avatars for a year
2015-10-19 22:49 <diva> ok, this is derailing to non-productive conversation if you start saying things like that
2015-10-19 22:49 <Melanie_> i understand that juston's dumb test makes simulation/0.4 infeasible
2015-10-19 22:49 <Melanie_> but then anther flag is needed
2015-10-19 22:49 <Melanie_> and can be removed in a year
2015-10-19 22:49 <Melanie_> when 0.8.1 is at < 5%
2015-10-19 22:49 <shyRobbiani> what about derivates like arriba?
2015-10-19 22:49 <diva> go ahead and do it yourself if you want, and make sure the hypergrid works all over, especially for OSCC
2015-10-19 22:50 <Melanie_> it's merely an extra entry in the hashtable of wueryaccess
2015-10-19 22:50 <diva> good luck, I'll be waiting for you to finishe to cut a release
2015-10-19 22:50 <Melanie_> it will do nothing on pre-0.8.3
2015-10-19 22:51 <diva> just remember: there are two set of numbers for controlling versions. One is for grid registration, the other is for teleport protocol. For forcing ppl to upgrade in osgrid and others like that we use the former, not the later
2015-10-19 22:52 <Melanie_> yes i know
2015-10-19 22:52 <Melanie_> what i want is for all versions capable of at least passing through the new wearable to do so
2015-10-19 22:52 <Melanie_> instead of dropping it
2015-10-19 22:52 <diva> I'm not opposed to that wish
2015-10-19 22:53 <diva> I'm just not going to do it myself
2015-10-19 22:53 <Melanie_> so those who don't want nonhumans themselves don't need to upgrade but will not destroy other people's avatars
2015-10-19 22:54 <diva> so let me know if you plan to do it, so that we coordinate the release. I don't want it to fall in no-man's land
2015-10-19 22:56 <Melanie_> i'm doing it now
2015-10-19 22:56 <Melanie_> the marking of the ability, which is what we need for 0.8.1-pf and 0.8.2
2015-10-19 22:56 <Melanie_> interpreting the mark is for 0.8.3
2015-10-19 22:57 <Melanie_> the code is flexible enough in even 0.8.1 that it would allow passing through unknown wearables
2015-10-19 22:57 <diva> make sure that 0.8.1 (regular, not pf) TPs correctly to 0.8.21
2015-10-19 22:57 <diva> make sure that 0.8.1 (regular, not pf) TPs correctly to 0.8.2
2015-10-19 22:57 <Melanie_> that stupid array index bug is the onl thing that prevented the entire path from being future proof
2015-10-19 22:58 <Melanie_> it needs no in-depth testing
2015-10-19 22:58 <Melanie_> read it and you'll see
2015-10-19 22:59 <Melanie_> the classic on-liner
2015-10-19 23:00 <Melanie_> one*
2015-10-19 23:00 <diva> HOw is that going to present the bug from occurring?
2015-10-19 23:00 <diva> prevent
2015-10-19 23:01 <Melanie_> in itself it doesn't. its the "lightest touch approach" to the stabe versions
2015-10-19 23:01 <Melanie_> 0.8.3, which gets the full support, will use that flag to determine if wearables sent are capped at 15
2015-10-19 23:01 <Melanie_> all up to 0.8.2 can only send 15 anyway
2015-10-19 23:01 <Melanie_> and 0.8.3 will know by this flag that it's safe to send more
2015-10-19 23:02 <diva> :)
2015-10-19 23:02 <diva> ok 
2015-10-19 23:02 <diva> good! :)
2015-10-19 23:02 <Melanie_> there is a potential low key issue
2015-10-19 23:02 <Melanie_> and that is, once 0.8.3 is out
2015-10-19 23:02 <Melanie_> an avatar carrying 16+ wearables entering an 0.8.2 sim
2015-10-19 23:02 <Melanie_> and going on to an 0.8.1
2015-10-19 23:02 <Melanie_> would crash that 0.8.1
2015-10-19 23:03 <Melanie_> but 0.8.1 should be made to go away in the course of the next 6 months
2015-10-19 23:03 <Melanie_> so i doubt it will be a production issue
2015-10-19 23:03 <Melanie_> 0.8.1-pf and 0.8.2 will be safe 
2015-10-19 23:03 <Melanie_> so whoever really wants/needs to stay on 0.8.1
2015-10-19 23:03 <Melanie_> can use 0.8.1-pf
2015-10-19 23:04 <Melanie_> which will make all the people using dtl/nsl happy
2015-10-19 23:04 <diva> it's not nice to crash sims, but I don't care terribly much about open/hyper grids that have 2 release gaps
2015-10-19 23:05 <Melanie_> precisely
2015-10-19 23:05 <Melanie_> 0.8.1-pf, 0.8.2 and 0.8.3 will all happily interoperate
2015-10-19 23:05 <diva> ok, done deal
2015-10-19 23:06 <diva> necessity is the mother of invention! I like your solution :)
2015-10-19 23:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #4334 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-10-19 23:08 <Melanie_> you usually like my solutions. once i get a chance to explain them. Usually I do that in code :P
2015-10-19 23:09 <Melanie_> btw, Saphira is proofing the paper and inserting the references, then it gets a once-over from me and then you can have it
2015-10-19 23:09 <diva> and that's why I <3 U :D it's good to have you back in full swing!
2015-10-19 23:10 <Melanie_> I actually manage to sleep less than 10 hours these days. when I was really bad, i needed 18 hours of sleep per 24!
2015-10-19 23:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4334: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4334/
2015-10-19 23:11 <osjenkins> melanie: Let the initiator of a teleport or crossing know that we handle extra
2015-10-20 01:19 <smxy> diva or Melanie_: I have a question: If I update my grid to Dev Master HEAD, can you tell me what OpenSim versions people will not be able to TP to my grid from (or vice versa - whichever the case is)?
2015-10-20 01:20 <Melanie_> smxy: no one
2015-10-20 01:20 <Melanie_> the only remaining issue will appear when 0.8.3 comes out
2015-10-20 01:20 <Melanie_> where 0.8.1 sims will crash if a person from 0.8.3 teleports to 0.8.2 or 0.8.1-pf and then onwards to the unpatched 0.8.1
2015-10-20 01:21 <smxy> I thought a check was deliberately added to prevent people from TP in one direction (I think it was from new to old)? We had discussed it here and I went off and socialized that it would be in the next release, in fact, after discussing it with you and nebadon.
2015-10-20 01:22 <smxy> You were going to kill off 0.7.x as I recall.
2015-10-20 01:23 <Melanie_> yes
2015-10-20 01:23 <Melanie_> 0.7.0 and 0.8.0 are dead
2015-10-20 01:23 <Melanie_> 0.8.1 is dead
2015-10-20 01:23 <Melanie_> but 0.8.1-post-fixes will be maintained
2015-10-20 01:23 <smxy> As of 0.8.3?
2015-10-20 01:23 <smxy> er 0.8.2*
2015-10-20 01:23 <Melanie_> no, as of 0.8.2
2015-10-20 01:24 <Melanie_> so those who need the 0.8.1 code base for things like the money server need to use 0.8.1-post-fixes
2015-10-20 01:24 <Melanie_> 0.8.2 will be safe for all
2015-10-20 01:24 <Melanie_> 0.8.2 will still be able to interoperate fully with 0.7* and 0.8.1
2015-10-20 01:25 <Melanie_> 0.7.* and 0.8.1 will be officially dead when 0.8.3 comes out
2015-10-20 01:25 <smxy> So you changed your mind about this release then, from what we'd discussed before.
2015-10-20 01:25 <Melanie_> but will still work under most circumstances
2015-10-20 01:25 <Melanie_> i found another way
2015-10-20 01:25 <Melanie_> to get what I want and still get a smooth transition
2015-10-20 01:25 <Melanie_> osgrid WILL need to force-upgrade
2015-10-20 01:26 <Melanie_> and it's recommended for other patchwork grids to also force-upgrade
2015-10-20 01:26 <smxy> So, when 0.8.3 comes out, onlu 0.8.2 and 0.8.3 will be supported and no one will be able to TP to any thing older?
2015-10-20 01:26 <Melanie_> 0.8.1-post-fixes will also be supported
2015-10-20 01:27 <Melanie_> the next step, with 0.8.4, will be to cut off all below 0.8.3
2015-10-20 01:27 <diva> everything will work smxy
2015-10-20 01:27 <Melanie_> the non-working scenarios are corner cases
2015-10-20 01:29 <smxy> Alright, thanks.
2015-10-20 01:30 <smxy> [21:20] <Melanie_> where 0.8.1 sims will crash if a person from 0.8.3 teleports to 0.8.2 or 0.8.1-pf and then onwards to the unpatched 0.8.1
2015-10-20 01:30 <smxy> I assume a 0.7.x will crash too?
2015-10-20 01:30 <Melanie_> correct
2015-10-20 01:31 <Melanie_> 0.7 is already unsupported
2015-10-20 01:31 <smxy> You can't just prevent the TP and thus the crash, too?
2015-10-20 01:31 <Melanie_> no
2015-10-20 01:31 <Melanie_> the 0.8.2 code doesn't contain any code to detect that
2015-10-20 01:31 <Melanie_> neither does 0.81
2015-10-20 01:32 <smxy> Why not? Why can't new code know it's talking to old code and prevent the TP?
2015-10-20 01:32 <Melanie_> why are you so concerned with ancient unsupported versions?
2015-10-20 01:32 <smxy> Because people use them.
2015-10-20 01:32 <Melanie_> with 0.8.4, they will no longer be able to
2015-10-20 01:33 <Melanie_> we can't hold back time to cater to ancient versions
2015-10-20 01:33 <Melanie_> two versions back, we still make an effort
2015-10-20 01:33 <Melanie_> diva: we might want to put awareness of version 4 into 0.8.2, for that matter
2015-10-20 01:34 <Melanie_> so that 0.8.2, which is still a future release and safe for wearables can teleport to 0.8.4
2015-10-20 01:34 <Melanie_> that would give us 0.8.2, 0.8.3 and 0.8.4 as supported versions at the time we go to simulation/0.4
2015-10-20 01:36 <smxy> How will simulation/0.4 be different from the current simulation/0.3?
2015-10-20 01:36 <Melanie_> it will disallow 0.7 and 0.8.1
2015-10-20 01:36 <Melanie_> to finally purge these ancient versions
2015-10-20 01:36 <Melanie_> they will be unable to teleport anywhere
2015-10-20 01:36 <Melanie_> just get a message to update to something non-ancient
2015-10-20 01:37 <smxy> Similar to what 0.7.x gets now, when trying to TP to a var region.
2015-10-20 01:37 <Melanie_> i suppose
2015-10-20 01:38 <smxy> Well, they'll be able to TP to places 0.8.1 or lower, I suppose, just not newer than 0.8.1
2015-10-20 01:39 <smxy> er, not newer than 0.8.2 or 3 even, if 0.8.4 is what kills that?
2015-10-20 01:44 <Melanie_> diva: the version stuff is a mess
2015-10-20 01:45 <Melanie_> we don't actually check the version for equality anywhere
2015-10-20 01:46 <Melanie_> there are two uses for it: choosing teleport protocol v1, and denying older simulators access to varregions
2015-10-20 01:46 <Melanie_> but it's in no way a proper version negotiation
2015-10-20 01:46 <Melanie_> please hold off on cutting the 0.8.2 release
2015-10-20 01:46 <Melanie_> i want to streamline and fix this
2015-10-20 01:52 <diva> ok
2015-10-20 02:06 <Ubit> saphira fallen a sleep reading a certain paper ...
2015-10-20 02:06 <Ubit> errr hmm  /me hides
2015-10-20 02:21 <smxy> Melanie_: Which version is the merge slated to be released in?
2015-10-20 02:26 <diva> 0.8.3
2015-10-20 02:29 <diva> which is current master branch. I already branched the release branch 0.8.2
2015-10-20 16:01 <Ubit> hmm those should actuall be on sop.flags
2015-10-20 16:01 <Ubit> but those are full ( 4 bits taken by joints )
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2015-10-20 19:13 <nebadon> diva_ ping
2015-10-20 19:13 <nebadon> was an email sent about RC1?
2015-10-20 19:13 <diva_> pong
2015-10-20 19:14 <nebadon> or is that not official yet?
2015-10-20 19:14 <diva_> not official yet
2015-10-20 19:14 <nebadon> for some reason I thought you did
2015-10-20 19:14 <nebadon> ah ok
2015-10-20 19:14 <nebadon> i was talking about it at meeting
2015-10-20 19:14 <diva_> I need to write the release notes -- at least fill them out more than what currently is
2015-10-20 19:14 <diva_> could use help!
2015-10-20 19:14 <Ubit> oops meeting
2015-10-20 19:14 <nebadon> yes
2015-10-20 19:14 <nebadon> we discussed that
2015-10-20 19:14 <nebadon> i asked for volunteers
2015-10-20 19:14 <nebadon> for people to either edit wiki
2015-10-20 19:14 <nebadon> or email their thoughts to -dev
2015-10-20 19:14 <nebadon> so we can add it 
2015-10-20 19:15 <diva> that'd be great
2015-10-20 19:17 <nebadon> two that got mentioned so far
2015-10-20 19:17 <nebadon> are the MOSES Stats changes
2015-10-20 19:17 <nebadon> and Kitely Script state changes
2015-10-20 19:17 <diva> I can write about the stats, but can someone give me more details about the script change?
2015-10-20 19:18 <nebadon> damn
2015-10-20 19:18 <nebadon> of course he leaves as IM typing his name
2015-10-20 19:18 <nebadon> lol
2015-10-20 19:18 <diva> heheh
2015-10-20 19:18 <Ubit> well those stats did change on the merge
2015-10-20 19:18 <nebadon> oh hes back
2015-10-20 19:18 <nebadon> orenh hey you here?
2015-10-20 19:18 <orenh> hi
2015-10-20 19:19 <nebadon> hey you made changes to Script states right?
2015-10-20 19:19 <nebadon> we typing up notes for 0.8.2 release
2015-10-20 19:19 <nebadon> anything you think should be included?
2015-10-20 19:19 <nebadon> someone mentioned Kitely script states
2015-10-20 19:19 <nebadon> maybe you can briefly few words explain to diva
2015-10-20 19:19 <orenh> maybe they meant stats?
2015-10-20 19:19 <nebadon> they just left too im not sure
2015-10-20 19:20 <orenh> no, I remember, I did make a change to script states
2015-10-20 19:20 <nebadon> i suspect they only mentioned it because they saw a behavior change
2015-10-20 19:20 <orenh> but it was related to stats, i.e. to measuring how long the script actually executes
2015-10-20 19:20 <nebadon> ah right
2015-10-20 19:21 <nebadon> ok thanks for clarifying that
2015-10-20 19:21 <nebadon> so more stats stuff Diva
2015-10-20 19:21 <nebadon> big theme for this release
2015-10-20 19:21 <diva> so how should I describe that?
2015-10-20 19:21 <diva> can you give me a sentence, orenh?
2015-10-20 19:22 <diva> what exactly changed?
2015-10-20 19:22 <orenh> well, lots of things...
2015-10-20 19:22 <orenh> The short description is: "More accurate Top Scripts report"
2015-10-20 19:23 <orenh> The changes where:
2015-10-20 19:23 <orenh> 1. Measure script execution precisely, using a sub-millisecond timer. Needed because some scripts execute very often but for a very short amount of time each time, so previously they showed as using 0 time.
2015-10-20 19:23 <orenh> 2. Use a 30-seconds rolling window. Previously it was 30 minutes, and even that didn't work correctly.
2015-10-20 19:24 <orenh> 3. Ignore time the script spends sleeping. Many LSL/OSSL functions have a sleep-delay at the end.
2015-10-20 19:24 <orenh> See http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Scripts_Performance
2015-10-20 19:24 <orenh> 4. Include XEngine overhead in the timings. Previously it was excluded.
2015-10-20 19:25 <orenh> Another change (unrelated): When the user stops a script, have it remain stopped
2015-10-20 19:25 <orenh> Explanation: Previously the script state was never saved for a !Running script, so upon region restart the script would be Running again
2015-10-20 19:25 <orenh> Now they'll remain Stopped even after region restart
2015-10-20 19:26 <orenh> Ok, that's it...
2015-10-20 19:26 <diva> perfect!
2015-10-20 19:26 <diva> added: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/0.8.2.0_Release
2015-10-20 19:27 <diva> thanks
2015-10-20 19:27 <orenh> yw
2015-10-20 19:27 <diva> if you remember anything else you changed, feel free to add it to the release notes
2015-10-20 19:27 <orenh> will do
2015-10-20 19:28 <JeffKelley> the 55 -> 11 fps change, cause it implies retouching admin backends
2015-10-20 19:28 <nebadon> yes that is the moses changes
2015-10-20 19:28 <Ubit> 11.3 fps :p
2015-10-20 19:28 <JeffKelley> yes, it you threshold to 50, suddenly all turns red
2015-10-20 19:33 <JeffKelley> where read script stats you are talking about? viewer statistics window ? 
2015-10-20 19:36 <Plugh> Is there a mono 4?
2015-10-20 19:40 <nebadon> yes
2015-10-20 19:40 <nebadon> im running mono 4.3.0 on Sisyphus
2015-10-20 19:40 <nebadon> and OSCC is at 4.0.4 at the moment
2015-10-20 19:41 <nebadon> that may change though
2015-10-20 19:43 <Plugh> "Mono 3 has also been reported as working well" is in the notes. Should there be a mention of Mono 4 added?
2015-10-20 19:47 <shyRobbiani> is OSCC on 64-bit architecture? I had lots of crashes with early Mono 4 releases on 64-bit machines but not on 32-bit. not sure if it's stable on 64-bit with Mono 4.0.4.
2015-10-20 19:51 <nebadon> yes I only test on 64 bit
2015-10-20 19:51 <nebadon> 32 bit is dead to me :)
2015-10-20 19:51 <shyRobbiani> good to know... thanks for the update :)
2015-10-20 19:53 <nebadon> Plugh, we could considering the official mono release is 4.0.4 now
2015-10-20 19:54 <nebadon> and many operating systems are pushing 4.0.4 right out of the box
2015-10-20 19:54 <nebadon> but not all yet
2015-10-20 19:55 <Plugh> nebadon: I was just thinking about having some note in there about whether mono 4 is to be avoided, might work but could be unstable, or it is fine to use.
2015-10-20 19:55 <nebadon> ya id say its fine for use
2015-10-20 19:55 <nebadon> the 1 caveat is that SSL certs for gmail no longer work with mono
2015-10-20 19:55 <nebadon> so if you are using wifi and rely on gmail to send mail 
2015-10-20 19:56 <nebadon> however diva made a work around you add to Robust.ini
2015-10-20 19:56 <nebadon> that tells it to ignore the invalid cert
2015-10-20 19:56 <nebadon> and sends it anyway
2015-10-20 19:56 <nebadon> its a mono bug for sure
2015-10-20 19:56 <nebadon> other than that its perfect for me
2015-10-20 19:57 <nebadon> and at the moment i just decided to run wifi on mono 3.2.8 and the rest of the grid on 4.0.4
2015-10-20 19:57 <nebadon> using userspace variables at launchtime
2015-10-20 19:57 <Plugh> hehe... just got spam about applying for a green card. First line of the message says "Participate in the Official American Greed Card Lottery" 
2015-10-20 19:57 <nebadon> this way it stays secure but i can still use newer mono on rest of grid
2015-10-20 19:57 <nebadon> as fake as that sounds, thats pretty much how they do it
2015-10-20 19:57 <nebadon> lol
2015-10-20 19:58 <Plugh> nice typo.
2015-10-20 19:58 <nebadon> oh i missed that haha
2015-10-20 19:58 <Plugh> nebadon: ok. Did you say they won't be fixing that?
2015-10-20 19:59 <nebadon> they hopefully do fix it
2015-10-20 19:59 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-10-20 19:59 <nebadon> but miguel acknowledged the bug and wrote a test script in February
2015-10-20 19:59 <nebadon> and its still not fixed
2015-10-20 19:59 <nebadon> so ya, it is obviously not a priority
2015-10-20 19:59 <nebadon> might have to ask Miguel if he works for the NSA now..
2015-10-20 19:59 <nebadon> haha
2015-10-20 19:59 <nebadon> maybe that will prompt him to fix it
2015-10-20 20:00 <Plugh> I have to do write some regression tests for OpenSim to test for, or verify, a couple of bug.
2015-10-20 20:01 <Plugh> Once I get the right routine to read an ini file I can test the bug with reading ini files.
2015-10-20 20:02 <Plugh> The problem with vector math in LSL is interesting. Not sure if the bug is in the parsing of LSL to the intermediate code, or in the conversion of intermediate code to C#.
2015-10-20 20:04 <Plugh> It would be a big help to have proper BNF type description of LSL.
2015-10-20 20:04 <nebadon> yea I know C# prevents a few things that LSL likes doing that work in SL
2015-10-20 20:05 <Plugh> Having "> -" treat the - as unary negation instead of as subtraction seems like an error in the parsing code.
2015-10-20 20:05 <Plugh> With proper BNF for LSL it would be easier to fix.
2015-10-20 20:08 <Ubit> not really
2015-10-20 20:08 <Ubit> seems a bug on the parser
2015-10-20 20:09 <Ubit> the kinda of yacc thing we use
2015-10-20 20:09 <Plugh> I like working with parsers.
2015-10-20 20:09 <Ubit> the sintaxe rules look +- ok
2015-10-20 20:09 <Ubit> well u can look at it
2015-10-20 20:09 <Plugh> I was trying to make sense of all the multiple levels of the parsing starting with CSTools.
2015-10-20 20:10 <Ubit> the problem is that :)
2015-10-20 20:11 <Ubit> hmm nice my region at 25 fps
2015-10-20 20:11 <Plugh> Unfortunately, someone removed some of the compiler tool stuff out of the OS source tree a while back. IIRC, it was because it wasn't old or unmaintained but it complicates trying to run some tests against the LSL compiler stuff.
2015-10-20 20:11 <Ubit> its on opensim-libs
2015-10-20 20:11 <Plugh> um... /it wasn't/it was/
2015-10-20 20:11 <Plugh> CSTools provides the foundation for what is in opensim-libs which is used in OS.
2015-10-20 20:12 <Ubit> yeap
2015-10-20 20:13 <Plugh> I found a more recent version of CSTools than is in opensim-libs.
2015-10-20 20:13 <Plugh> I have CSTools-4.7m
2015-10-20 20:14 <Ubit> it does seem the last version.. even if doesnt look like
2015-10-20 20:14 <Ubit> unless the url changed
2015-10-20 20:14 <Plugh> I updated the URL's as they were out of date.
2015-10-20 20:15 <Ubit> the version there is 4.7m
2015-10-20 20:15 <Plugh> I don't think the code has been updated in opensim-libs. Just the URL references.
2015-10-20 20:16 <Ubit> i messed with it a few days err weeks? ago
2015-10-20 20:16 <Plugh> I got thinking about it again when the bug report got updated a few days ago.
2015-10-20 20:16 <Ubit> i updated it :)
2015-10-20 20:17 <Plugh> ok. So its updated in os libs but has the changes been carried forward to OS?
2015-10-20 20:17 <Ubit> yeap justin did it i think
2015-10-20 20:17 <Plugh> Can we forward port the changes with the removal of some of the compiler tool stuff?
2015-10-20 20:18 <Ubit> but i did rebuilt the damm thing with fresh version... same thing
2015-10-20 20:18 <Plugh> It ws updated?
2015-10-20 20:18 <Ubit> what tool removal ?
2015-10-20 20:19 <Ubit> just the lsl.parser.cs and lsl.lexer.cr generator is now on the libs repo.. not main
2015-10-20 20:20 <Plugh> I forget what but some stuff got removed. Perhaps the intention was that whatever was removed was to be copied over from os-libs when it needed to be updated.
2015-10-20 20:21 <Ubit> what justin remove was a few tools he had on the lsl2cs that allowed full compile without running opensim
2015-10-20 20:22 <Ubit> | LEFT_ANGLE Expression:e1 COMMA Expression:e2 COMMA Expression:e3 RIGHT_ANGLE %VectorConstant(e1, e2, e3) %prec INITIALIZER
2015-10-20 20:22 <Ubit> this rule fails
2015-10-20 20:23 <Ubit> looses to this | Expression:ea RIGHT_ANGLE:ra Expression:eb %BinaryExpression(ea, eb, ra.yytext)
2015-10-20 20:24 <Plugh> hm... i wonder if the recent fixes for handling of booleans needs to be backported to os-libs.
2015-10-20 20:25 <Plugh> yea, letting OS compile without running opensim would have been useful as a means of testing the parser and code generation.
2015-10-20 20:25 <Plugh> There might be something in os-libs (I hope there is).
2015-10-20 20:25 <Ubit> guess we can recover the tools from git
2015-10-20 20:26 <Ubit> its mainly a subset of the compiler on  main
2015-10-20 20:27 <Plugh> Ubit, where did you see those bits of language description?
2015-10-20 20:27 <Ubit> on the lsl2c at libs repo
2015-10-20 20:28 <Ubit> file lsl.parser
2015-10-20 20:28 <Ubit> ( that is the source for the lsl.parser.cs, running pg )
2015-10-20 20:29 <Ubit> my light sim does like running at 25fps :)
2015-10-20 20:30 <Plugh> Knowing the lines that cause the parse error is the first step to fixing it.
2015-10-20 20:30 <Ubit> well those are the relevant rules
2015-10-20 20:31 <Ubit>  > doesn't "trigger" as a closing bracket bc of the second rule i guess
2015-10-20 20:31 <Ubit> like the "}" on the list  does nicely
2015-10-20 20:32 <Ubit> so my guess it the it parses as ...largerThan, minus... and so  Boinggg
2015-10-20 20:34 <Plugh> sounds like one of those shift or reduce related errors you run up against in dealing with yacc
2015-10-20 20:43 <Ubit> or the damm thing only looks to previus element ..
2015-10-20 20:43 <Ubit> so never sees element, element >
2015-10-20 20:43 <Ubit> only element >
2015-10-20 20:44 <Ubit> ie  largerThan rule
2015-10-20 20:44 <Ubit> well i gave up...  have fun :)
2015-10-20 20:50 <Ubit> hmm gooing to look for f00d
2015-10-20 20:52 <lkalif> ubit will just dumplicate code and make another internal fork
2015-10-20 20:53 <Melanie_> like avination? at least we got it out faster than duke nukem forever took :P
2015-10-20 20:54 <lkalif> like ode, meshmerizer, etc etc
2015-10-20 20:54 <lkalif> all code is twice over in there
2015-10-20 20:54 <Melanie_> i'd toss the old ODE but people wat to keep it for compatibility
2015-10-20 21:06 <Ubit> lkalif..  go fix libomv :p
2015-10-20 21:15 <lkalif> so there is an incompability with zlib we use and the one used in the viewers to upload mesh. dahlia discovers it and makes a local fix in opensim's meshmerizer to not use zlib. ubit who has forked meshmerizer discovers it yesterday in his own internal fork in ubode and fixed it locally too. none offer patch to libomv
2015-10-20 21:15 <lkalif> very productive way to cooperate
2015-10-20 21:16 <Melanie_> see, that;s not something i was even aware of
2015-10-20 21:16 <Ubit> well aparently dahlia told you about it back in 2013
2015-10-20 21:16 <Melanie_> i didn't know that updating the one in OMV was a solution
2015-10-20 21:17 <Melanie_> dahlia wasn't too open with information and I was quite ill overall
2015-10-20 21:17 <Ubit> that was for lkalif
2015-10-20 21:17 <lkalif> it would be a solution to have a common "decode mesh asset" function
2015-10-20 21:18 <lkalif> not 4, one in meshmerizer for ode one in ubode one in warp3d and one in libomv (the last two are the same)
2015-10-20 21:19 <Melanie_> same code but copied?
2015-10-20 21:20 <lkalif> started as same, then got fixed twice
2015-10-20 21:20 <lkalif> warp3d does call libomv's
2015-10-20 21:21 <lkalif> anyway  time for sleep here
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2015-10-20 23:04 <Ubit> by avoid i mean removed :)
2015-10-20 23:23 <Ubit> hmm each physics engine gives a diferent mass for a avatar :)
2015-10-20 23:24 <Ubit> mb.. why doesnt my prim move ???
2015-10-20 23:25 <Ubit> well it moved 0.000042m  
2015-10-20 23:26 <Ubit> well it least i didn't break bullet rotation locks :)
2015-10-21 13:12 <zadark> Second Life Project Valhalla  based on the Chromium Embedded Framework  bumps version number to 4.0.0
2015-10-21 13:16 <zadark> woops, wrong channel. but kinda relevant
2015-10-21 15:08 <shyRobbiani> @bar(input):button2
2015-10-21 17:49 <lkalif> nebadon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSUhVci21Zk
2015-10-21 17:49 <lkalif> stuff you always wanted
2015-10-21 18:52 <nebadon> Lkakif nice!
2015-10-21 18:52 <nebadon> I knew it was possible
2015-10-21 18:59 <nebadon> hopefully other viewers can pick this stuff up eventually
2015-10-21 18:59 <nebadon> Black Dragon is the revived Nirans?
2015-10-21 18:59 <nebadon> Windows only i recall
2015-10-21 19:01 <nebadon> always was my favorite viewer Nirans.. was so bummed when LL pulled the plug on command line loginuri
2015-10-21 19:02 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wep9WTDm9w
2015-10-21 19:02 <lkalif> new mac os nuked mono
2015-10-21 19:02 <lkalif> freaking apple
2015-10-21 19:04 <nebadon> geez why on earth would they do that
2015-10-21 19:05 <nebadon> and more importantly.. why on earth would anyone use mac... :P
2015-10-21 19:05 <lkalif> they have "rootless" security now. means apps now allowed to install in /usr
2015-10-21 19:05 <lkalif> so mono installer fails
2015-10-21 19:05 <nebadon> ah
2015-10-21 19:05 <lkalif> even when run as root
2015-10-21 19:06 <nebadon> is it hard to compile mono yorself on mac?
2015-10-21 19:07 <lkalif> nebadon: user support http://radegastclient.proboards.com/thread/129/viewer-working-after-os-capitan?page=1&scrollTo=338
2015-10-21 19:07 <lkalif> you can compile it unix-like, but i didn't figure out how to make an installer
2015-10-21 19:11 <nebadon> yea what a pain\
2015-10-21 19:11 <nebadon> virtaul machine time :)
2015-10-21 19:14 <lkalif> I don't know how to boot mac os x in recovery mode (needed to disable rootless) in vmware
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2015-10-21 23:28 <danbanner> ping diva
2015-10-21 23:28 <diva> pong
2015-10-21 23:29 <danbanner> hey someone discovered a regression i think with long teleports
2015-10-21 23:29 <danbanner> latest dev is saying "region is more than 4096"
2015-10-21 23:29 <danbanner> aug builds are fine
2015-10-21 23:30 <danbanner> theres a long distance region on osgrid named 'Sandoval'
2015-10-21 23:30 <danbanner> at 19000,19000
2015-10-21 23:30 <danbanner> if you need a place to test
2015-10-21 23:30 <diva> is this on master?
2015-10-21 23:30 <danbanner> yes
2015-10-21 23:31 <diva> ok
2015-10-21 23:31 <danbanner> event plaza is on a older build from August and it allows the long teleport
2015-10-21 23:31 <danbanner> same ini files basically
2015-10-21 23:32 <smxy> The ini file defaults to having the check on, as I recall. Might be time to switch it to a default of off, for no check.
2015-10-21 23:32 <danbanner> smxy i didnt change the ini
2015-10-21 23:33 <danbanner> it has max_distance = 65535
2015-10-21 23:33 <smxy> No, there's a 4096 check
2015-10-21 23:33 <smxy> with 4096 in its name
2015-10-21 23:33 <smxy> That defaults to on.
2015-10-21 23:33 <danbanner> i cant find the Check4096 anywhere and its been working 
2015-10-21 23:34 <danbanner> let me research where that Check4096 is supposed to be
2015-10-21 23:34 <smxy> I'm looking in my files now
2015-10-21 23:35 <smxy> robust.ini for HG in the [GridService] section.
2015-10-21 23:35 <smxy> Check4096 = "True" is the default I believe.
2015-10-21 23:35 <danbanner> ya i havent changed the robust configs
2015-10-21 23:35 <diva> the check is commented in master
2015-10-21 23:35 <danbanner> and its working in an older region and not in a current one
2015-10-21 23:35 <diva> let me login and repro
2015-10-21 23:36 <smxy> Okay, I'm still on 0.8.2 dev, so that may be why I still have it.
2015-10-21 23:36 <diva> that's master
2015-10-21 23:36 <diva> basically
2015-10-21 23:36 <smxy> Yes, but I'm from a few weeks back.
2015-10-21 23:37 <smxy> It was still in the ini when I last updated.
2015-10-21 23:37 <diva> danbanner I can't find region Sandoval
2015-10-21 23:38 <danbanner> its restarting
2015-10-21 23:38 <danbanner> try again
2015-10-21 23:39 <diva> gotcha
2015-10-21 23:41 <diva> wtf
2015-10-21 23:41 <smxy> heh
2015-10-21 23:43 <danbanner> works if you teleport from event plaza
2015-10-21 23:43 <danbanner> which is from august
2015-10-21 23:43 <diva> wow there's something seriously confused
2015-10-21 23:44 <danbanner> ya and looking at commits it isnt obvious
2015-10-21 23:44 <danbanner> do i need to have Check4096 = false in robust?
2015-10-21 23:44 <danbanner> we've never had that set
2015-10-21 23:45 <diva> oh
2015-10-21 23:45 <diva> geez
2015-10-21 23:45 <danbanner> ?
2015-10-21 23:45 <diva> 1 sec for fix
2015-10-21 23:45 <danbanner> k
2015-10-21 23:46 <diva> good catch dab banner! :)
2015-10-21 23:46 <diva> dan
2015-10-21 23:47 <danbanner> well i had help
2015-10-21 23:47 <danbanner> :)
2015-10-21 23:47 <danbanner> albert actually brought it to my attention
2015-10-21 23:48 <danbanner> btw this was happening in a avnmerge test grid too
2015-10-21 23:48 <diva> yes, I'll port the fix
2015-10-21 23:48 <danbanner> cool
2015-10-21 23:48 <danbanner> ouch
2015-10-21 23:54 <danbanner> sweet
2015-10-21 23:54 <danbanner> thanks diva
2015-10-21 23:54 <diva> thanks for catching!
2015-10-21 23:54 <danbanner> yw
2015-10-21 23:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #4335 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-10-22 00:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4335: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4335/
2015-10-22 00:02 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Fix an issue introduced in 70a46fe0907c822a5244e36c338bf559ffbec965. I accidentally deleted the entire [EntityTransfer] section instead of just a few variables in it.
2015-10-22 00:14 <diva> does Warp3d still leak?
2015-10-22 00:14 <nebadon> if it is set to regenerate tiles on timer yes
2015-10-22 00:14 <nebadon> very bad
2015-10-22 00:15 <nebadon> also if your cache is cleared
2015-10-22 00:15 <diva> ok, just going through past release notes
2015-10-22 00:15 <nebadon> that first startup will use a ton of memory
2015-10-22 00:15 <nebadon> until its restarted
2015-10-22 00:19 <diva> there's a new llCastRay implementation?
2015-10-22 00:22 <nebadon> yes
2015-10-22 00:22 <nebadon> thats a good one to list
2015-10-22 00:22 <diva> can you give me a couple of sentences to add
2015-10-22 00:25 <diva> How is id different from the previous one? How can it be enabled?
2015-10-22 00:25 <nebadon> this is from a mantis
2015-10-22 00:25 <nebadon>  It sets up an own mesh cache optimized for llCastRay V3 and uses libopenmetaverse mesher instead of Meshmerizer. It works fully with sculpts and meshes again, eliminates the 40-50% overhead on first encounter with a shape, sculpt or mesh, increases the time save when using cached geometries to about 65% on a high-end server and 75% on an ordinary laptop in my performance tests.
2015-10-22 00:25 <diva> do you know how to run this instead of the older?
2015-10-22 00:28 <nebadon> this is from OpenSimDefaults.ini
2015-10-22 00:28 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=2TKNNsfa
2015-10-22 00:38 <diva> was it in this release that misterblue implemented the lazy terrain loading to the viewer?
2015-10-22 00:39 <diva> if so that needs to be explained well or else ppl will be very confused
2015-10-22 00:41 <diva> hmm maybe it was already in 0.8.1?
2015-10-22 00:42 <diva> yeah it was already last year
2015-10-22 00:43 <diva> oh ther's a new ini file called osslEnable.ini
2015-10-22 01:03 <diva> what's FSAssets?
2015-10-22 01:04 <diva> omg I just rememberd this is when we made that change to the folder numbers
2015-10-22 01:49 <nebadon> diva fsassets is melanies version of sras
2015-10-22 01:49 <nebadon> written as a C# Robust module
2015-10-22 01:49 <nebadon> OSgrid is running it
2015-10-22 01:49 <nebadon> as is Avination
2015-10-22 01:49 <nebadon> AliciaRaven ported it from melaies github module
2015-10-22 01:49 <nebadon> and maybe can offer some input there
2015-10-22 01:50 <nebadon> as could Melanie
2015-10-22 01:50 <nebadon> it stores assets as blobs etc.. does asset deduplication
2015-10-22 01:50 <nebadon> very similar to SRAS, you can even make it use SRAS data without having to change the assets
2015-10-22 01:51 <nebadon> though i wouldnt advertise that
2015-10-22 01:51 <nebadon> just giving you a picture of what it is :)
2015-10-22 02:05 <diva> oh so it's fully functional?
2015-10-22 02:05 <diva> are there any drawbacks in using it?
2015-10-22 02:07 <diva> oh FS stands for file system, maybe?
2015-10-22 02:08 <nebadon> lack of documentation
2015-10-22 02:09 <nebadon> but if you can make it work, its solid
2015-10-22 02:09 <nebadon> as good as any solution
2015-10-22 02:09 <nebadon> if not superior
2015-10-22 02:09 <diva> it looks like it is using the file system. Only the metadata is stored on the db
2015-10-22 02:09 <nebadon> correct
2015-10-22 02:09 <diva> this is really interesting yes
2015-10-22 02:09 <nebadon> works like flotsam cache / sras
2015-10-22 02:09 <diva> we should consider this for Encitra
2015-10-22 02:09 <nebadon> yep
2015-10-22 02:09 <nebadon> we absolutely should switch asap
2015-10-22 02:09 <nebadon> just for dedup
2015-10-22 02:10 <diva> do you know what's the migration path from the regular assets to this?
2015-10-22 02:10 <nebadon> Melanie can guide us
2015-10-22 02:10 <diva> ok
2015-10-22 02:10 <nebadon> there is a tool i beleive
2015-10-22 02:10 <nebadon> that does the dump
2015-10-22 02:10 <nebadon> AliciaRaven you here?
2015-10-22 02:10 <nebadon> Alican may also know
2015-10-22 02:10 <diva> so this makes XAssets useless?
2015-10-22 02:10 <nebadon> nope
2015-10-22 02:10 <nebadon> oh yes
2015-10-22 02:11 <nebadon> sorry im thnking xbakes
2015-10-22 02:11 <nebadon> yes this would replace completely the core asset service
2015-10-22 02:11 <diva> I mean the other asset server that justin had been working on XAssets
2015-10-22 02:11 <nebadon> ohh yea
2015-10-22 02:11 <diva> I think the goal was to dedup
2015-10-22 02:11 <nebadon> deep six that
2015-10-22 02:11 <nebadon> I would be surprised if anyone ever used that
2015-10-22 02:11 <diva> "deep six" :D
2015-10-22 02:12 <diva> I'll leave it unchanged for this release but I'm going to mark XAssets as obsolete
2015-10-22 02:12 <nebadon> yea
2015-10-22 02:13 <diva> this is a great addition!
2015-10-22 02:13 <nebadon> yes it came about due to the osgrid server failure
2015-10-22 02:14 <nebadon> as it became clear we were getting full recovery
2015-10-22 02:14 <nebadon> i started to panic about using sras again
2015-10-22 02:14 <nebadon> so i asked melanie to intervene
2015-10-22 02:14 <nebadon> and she saved the day
2015-10-22 02:15 <diva> and it's been working solid in osgrid?
2015-10-22 02:15 <nebadon> sort of
2015-10-22 02:15 <nebadon> we had some issues becasue of this being like the 4th or 5th asset server osgrid has had
2015-10-22 02:15 <nebadon> software wise
2015-10-22 02:15 <nebadon> so we have a shit ton of bad assets
2015-10-22 02:15 <nebadon> that can make it puke 
2015-10-22 02:15 <nebadon> a clean grid should be fine
2015-10-22 02:15 <nebadon> OSgrid is like Chernobyl
2015-10-22 02:16 <nebadon> radioactive wasteland of fun
2015-10-22 02:16 <diva> do you know since when osgrid has been using this?
2015-10-22 02:16 <nebadon> since the grid came back up
2015-10-22 02:16 <nebadon> soo
2015-10-22 02:17 <nebadon> April 19th
2015-10-22 02:17 <nebadon> orr hmm
2015-10-22 02:17 <nebadon> ya its around there
2015-10-22 02:17 <nebadon> April
2015-10-22 02:18 <nebadon> but Avination has used this for years
2015-10-22 02:18 <nebadon> 2+ years if i recall
2015-10-22 02:21 <Plugh> I had something that could do an assets dump. It might need updating for use with FSAssets.
2015-10-22 02:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #4336 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-10-22 02:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4336: SUCCESS in 4 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4336/
2015-10-22 02:30 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Mark XAssetService obsolete and warn users.
2015-10-22 02:32 <diva> ok I think I wrote everything I know about: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/0.8.2.0_Release
2015-10-22 02:34 <nebadon> ok when you do finally announce it you might ask everyone to review that page etc..
2015-10-22 02:34 <nebadon> fill in blanks some more maybe
2015-10-22 02:34 <diva> yeah, I think there's a lot more, but I don't really have time to go through the commit logs and sniff the user-facing commits from everything else
2015-10-22 02:35 <nebadon> yea a few people said they would take a look over the weekend
2015-10-22 02:35 <diva> the good thing is that justin's release scripts really help. They make it relatively pain less to cut releases
2015-10-22 02:36 <nebadon> nice
2015-10-22 02:36 <diva> I'll do the official RC1 tonight
2015-10-22 02:38 <Plugh> hehe... just wait until we have to summarize the changes for the avinationmerge branch.  :D
2015-10-22 02:39 <diva> geeeez
2015-10-22 02:39 <Plugh> I think at that point we need to have a wiki page where we can work on summarizing things as a group.
2015-10-22 02:39 <diva> I'm actually thinking of starting the wiki page with the release notes for 0.8.3, r=that way ppl can add things there when they bump into different behavior
2015-10-22 02:40 <w-t-h> Bluewall, a bot hit your plug-ins robust example Comments
2015-10-22 02:40 <w-t-h> http://bluewallvirtual.com/node/47
2015-10-22 02:40 <Plugh> I've been working on an RL project or two so I haven't been spending as much time on OpenSim stuff of late.
2015-10-22 02:40 <w-t-h> apparently the bot has a thing for shoe link spam
2015-10-22 02:41 <diva> grrr. wiki bots are like the plague
2015-10-22 02:41 <w-t-h> a simple captcha imo should suffice as an ideeot's commenter filter
2015-10-22 02:43 <diva> my time for opensim goes in windows. There are times when I'm completely out of it, busy with my other projects, other times where I do a lot. 
2015-10-22 02:43 <w-t-h> oh i see the captcha implentation is text readable :P
2015-10-22 02:44 <w-t-h> i think now adays there exists smarter catcha filters like asking for items off of a picture list or obfuscatied id in an ad-hoc generated image
2015-10-22 02:53 <OtakuMegane_> I always loved this: http://i.imgur.com/QaUy3.jpg
2015-10-22 02:57 <OtakuMegane_> Captcha can be useful but so often it's just a big pain.
2015-10-22 03:01 <nebadon> funny thing is OtakuMegane_ that looks just like my Samsung Galaxy Note 4 with the zerolemon battery
2015-10-22 03:01 <nebadon> lol
2015-10-22 03:02 <OtakuMegane_> XD
2015-10-22 03:02 <nebadon> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Mm%2B5Kvd5L._SL1500_.jpg
2015-10-22 03:02 <nebadon> lol
2015-10-22 03:03 <nebadon> that literally popped into my head before VHS cassette
2015-10-22 03:03 <nebadon> haha
2015-10-22 03:03 <OtakuMegane_> I have a thing for creative captchas, error/status screens, etc. 
2015-10-22 03:06 <OtakuMegane_> Errors especially can be fun. I keep things informative and reasonable but if you did something stupid expect a snarky comment about it. :)
2015-10-22 03:47 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqnOKhx4NIc
2015-10-22 11:39 <AliciaRaven> hi nebadon, diva i documented the fsassets and migration on the wiki at http://opensimulator.org/wiki/FSAssets_Service not sure if u had found that page
2015-10-22 14:26 <slower_> Hello, i have change for the Fsassets, i have migrate my all db to fsassets but now its a lag power, on the terminal assets i see a lot of [LOGHTTP]: Slow handling of  and inworld the loading is very slower
2015-10-22 14:33 <AliciaRaven> slower_ have u actualy performed the migration as shown on the wiki or do u just mean you switched to use fsassets?
2015-10-22 14:34 <AliciaRaven> if you havnt run the migration it may be slow at first because it has to get the assets from the old system when it is asked for one that it doesnt have
2015-10-22 14:36 <slower_> a total migration
2015-10-22 14:37 <AliciaRaven> loading in world, do u mean populating cache or viewer loading content?
2015-10-22 14:38 <slower_> loading content is slower  and terminal simulator have same message [LOGHTTP]: Slow handling of
2015-10-22 14:39 <nebadon> must be something else going on
2015-10-22 14:39 <AliciaRaven> the viewer loads from cache, fsassets shouldnt have any effect unless the simulator cache is empty
2015-10-22 14:39 <nebadon> OSgrid is running fsassets
2015-10-22 14:40 <slower_> objet rezz good but texture very slower
2015-10-22 14:40 <AliciaRaven> yes, spellscape runs it aswell, we have no problems, in fact i think its faster
2015-10-22 14:40 <AliciaRaven> id sugest going over the config again, double check things
2015-10-22 14:41 <diva> thanks for the pointer to the wiki page AliciaRaven. I added it to the release notes
2015-10-22 14:43 <AliciaRaven> np :) did you say rc1 was ready diva?
2015-10-22 14:43 <diva> yes it is
2015-10-22 16:38 <Ubit> hmm physics meshs may still "arrive" later
2015-10-22 17:12 <Ubit> now info like this shows up
2015-10-22 17:12 <Ubit> 18:11:21 - [Ode]: start processing pending actor operations
2015-10-22 17:12 <Ubit> 18:11:30 - [Ode]: finished 4836 operations in 9454ms
2015-10-22 17:12 <Ubit> 18:11:30 - [Ode]: 4836 prim actors loaded
2015-10-22 17:12 <Ubit> just before heartbeat start
2015-10-22 17:14 <Ubit> ( well ode lies.. it where more than 4838 operations.. but it only counts prims :) )
2015-10-22 17:16 <nebadon> yea we could do like scriptengine and disable login until physics completes?
2015-10-22 17:16 <nebadon> actually this is the reason we disabled logins for scripts
2015-10-22 17:16 <Ubit> i added this just before heartbeat
2015-10-22 17:17 <nebadon> because physics + scripts starting + a user logging in = crash
2015-10-22 17:17 <nebadon> a lot of the time
2015-10-22 17:17 <Ubit> yeap that is nasty
2015-10-22 17:17 <Ubit> 18:16:17 - [ubOde]: start processing pending actor operations
2015-10-22 17:17 <Ubit> 18:16:28 - [ubOde]: finished 8088 operations in 10873ms
2015-10-22 17:17 <Ubit> 18:16:28 - [ubOde]: 4836 prim actors loaded
2015-10-22 17:18 <Ubit> this is a more close operations count :)
2015-10-22 17:18 <Ubit> hmm i see scripts starting after hearbeat start
2015-10-22 17:19 <Ubit> not sure about that on on Xengine
2015-10-22 17:19 <nebadon> yea heartbeat doesnt enable login though
2015-10-22 17:19 <Ubit> well think that is a option
2015-10-22 17:19 <nebadon> script engine does
2015-10-22 17:19 <nebadon> i think
2015-10-22 17:19 <Ubit> i loads before
2015-10-22 17:19 <Ubit> starts after..  guess its ok
2015-10-22 17:19 <nebadon> well the last script compiling 
2015-10-22 17:21 <Ubit> mb we could also move that start to before heartbeat
2015-10-22 17:21 <Ubit> errr bullet still may build its prims on heartbeat
2015-10-22 17:25 <Ubit> but dont see why StartScripts(); is after fireing heartneat
2015-10-22 17:26 <Ubit> mel may know :)
2015-10-22 17:28 <Ubit> err about yr question..  with this change both ode are ready when heartbeat starts
2015-10-22 17:29 <Ubit> hmm and there should be no logins before that ... err i hope lol
2015-10-22 20:21 <Melanie_> Ubit: You don't want to start scripts before heartbeat is running
2015-10-22 20:21 <Melanie_> there be dedlock dragons
2015-10-22 20:21 <Ubit> ok
2015-10-22 20:21 <Melanie_> there are script API (the sync ones) that are services by heartbeat
2015-10-22 20:22 <Melanie_> at best you get erratic script behavior
2015-10-22 20:22 <Melanie_> at worst, a deadlocked simulator
2015-10-22 20:22 <Ubit> well thats why i left it waiting your coments :)
2015-10-22 20:23 <Ubit> in theory they should be all fired in a suspended  state, and released all at once..
2015-10-22 20:24 <Ubit> but minor thing for now
2015-10-22 20:25 <Ubit> whould be opening a pandoras box now :)
2015-10-22 20:25 <Melanie_> they ARE started in StartScripts
2015-10-22 20:25 <Melanie_> before that they are compiled and preloaded suspended
2015-10-22 20:26 <Melanie_> you just can't suspend the _engine_
2015-10-22 20:26 <Ubit> ahh ok
2015-10-22 20:26 <Melanie_> that's not generic
2015-10-22 20:26 <Melanie_> so starting all the scripts in a loop takes a measureable (bt not really long) time
2015-10-22 20:26 <Ubit> so they are there already just waiting to run..
2015-10-22 20:26 <Melanie_> and that is what StartScripts does
2015-10-22 20:27 <Melanie_> iterate all ScriptInstances and calling their start function
2015-10-22 20:27 <Ubit> ok
2015-10-22 20:30 <Ubit> i just added that presimulation for physics and noticed the placement of StartScripts...
2015-10-22 20:31 <Ubit> ode was doing it on the first  heartbeat look, ubOde  was spreading it by several looks since it throotles it
2015-10-22 20:32 <Ubit> look == loop
2015-10-22 20:34 <Ubit> no idei a what bullet does :)
2015-10-22 22:23 <lkalif> nebadon: dahlia made her oen demo with dragon and webgl
2015-10-22 22:23 <lkalif> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inrMzIHMdRo
2015-10-22 23:19 <Fritigern> ho should I talk to if I want file uploads re-enabled on the Opensim wiki?
2015-10-22 23:19 <Fritigern> +W
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2015-10-22 23:30 <diva> AliciaRaven ping
2015-10-22 23:30 <diva> the FSAssets thing depus assets, right?
2015-10-22 23:31 <diva> dedups
2015-10-22 23:32 <diva> do you think it makes sense to place those asset folders under source control like git? and make a commit when appropriate? like every day or something like that?
2015-10-22 23:35 <nebadon> it does
2015-10-22 23:35 <nebadon> by hash
2015-10-22 23:35 <nebadon> i dont think 2tb git repos are good
2015-10-22 23:38 <nebadon> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/984707/what-are-the-file-limits-in-git-number-and-size
2015-10-22 23:38 <nebadon> this didnt fully answer my questions but maybe good data
2015-10-22 23:38 <nebadon> The three issues that limits a git repo:
2015-10-22 23:38 <nebadon>     huge files (the xdelta for packfile is in memory only, which isn't good with large files)
2015-10-22 23:38 <nebadon>     huge number of files, which means, one file per blob, and slow git gc to generate one packfile at a time.
2015-10-22 23:38 <nebadon>     huge packfiles, with a packfile index inefficient to retrieve data from the (huge) packfile.
2015-10-22 23:38 <nebadon> maybe it did
2015-10-22 23:40 <nebadon> and how long does it take to clone a 2tb git repository
2015-10-22 23:40 <nebadon> my guess is a month or so
2015-10-22 23:40 <nebadon> hehe
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2015-10-23 03:24 <Ken_S> nebadon, are you around?
2015-10-23 03:25 <nebadon> hey Ken_S whats up
2015-10-23 03:26 <nebadon> im kind of here'ish
2015-10-23 03:26 <Ken_S> Found a possible issue on osg
2015-10-23 03:27 <Ken_S> Today, I can log into and TP to any sim on my test grid
2015-10-23 03:27 <Ken_S> It is running the new merge branch code on all sims and robust
2015-10-23 03:27 <Ken_S> But as of today when I log into OSGrid, I can only TP to normal sims running the new code.
2015-10-23 03:28 <Ken_S> I cannot TP to any var that is running the new code
2015-10-23 03:28 <nebadon> not sure
2015-10-23 03:28 <nebadon> i didnt think there was anything preventing that right now
2015-10-23 03:28 <nebadon> but maybe I missed something
2015-10-23 03:28 <Ken_S> Do you know of a var on osg that is running the latest merge code that I am not hosting?
2015-10-23 03:28 <nebadon> or its indeed a bug
2015-10-23 03:29 <Ken_S> I need to test somewhere else
2015-10-23 03:29 <nebadon> well not the latest
2015-10-23 03:29 <nebadon> Sisyphus is a little behind
2015-10-23 03:29 <Ken_S> I thought my router had stopped doing loopback lol
2015-10-23 03:29 <nebadon> yea wierd I cant think of anything that would cause it
2015-10-23 03:30 <Ken_S> Could this be because osg is not running the Robust from that branch?
2015-10-23 03:30 <nebadon> maybe diva or someone actively working on the code may know
2015-10-23 03:30 <nebadon> I dont think so
2015-10-23 03:30 <nebadon> but to be honest I do not know
2015-10-23 03:30 <Ken_S> I've been trying to figure this out all day
2015-10-23 03:37 <Ken_S> OK, I discovered I can only TP to a var running the new code from a normal sim running the new code.
2015-10-23 03:39 <Ken_S> So I cannot TP to a var running the new merge code unless it is from another sim on the new code.
2015-10-23 03:42 <Ken_S> OK for sure the problem is trying to TP into a var running today's merge code.
2015-10-23 03:42 <Ken_S> You cannot TP into it unless you are olready on another sim running the new code.
2015-10-23 03:43 <Ken_S> TP requests into it dont work either, same issue.
2015-10-23 04:14 <diva> what is "the merge code"?
2015-10-23 04:19 <Ken_S> avn branch
2015-10-23 04:19 <diva> so what doesn't work?
2015-10-23 04:20 <Ken_S> Trying to TP to a var on the latest code...
2015-10-23 04:21 <Ken_S> Best I can tell you have to be on a sim with the latest code to get to it.
2015-10-23 04:21 <diva> what's "the latest code"?
2015-10-23 04:21 <Ken_S> Todays AVN branch
2015-10-23 04:22 <diva> I still don't understand what situation doesn't work, your words are a bit confusing.
2015-10-23 04:22 <diva> master -> avn var region?
2015-10-23 04:22 <diva> avn -> master var region?
2015-10-23 04:23 <diva> something else?
2015-10-23 04:23 <Ken_S> I dont know what code is running on what sims that arent mine
2015-10-23 04:23 <Ken_S> Mine are all on today's avn branch
2015-10-23 04:24 <Ken_S> On my test grid that has everything on the avn branch
2015-10-23 04:24 <Ken_S> There are o tp issues anywhere
2015-10-23 04:24 <Ken_S> *No
2015-10-23 04:24 <Ken_S> Everything is fine there
2015-10-23 04:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #4337 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-10-23 04:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4337: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4337/
2015-10-23 04:59 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Removed invalid dependencies from prebuild (those dlls no longer exist)
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2015-10-23 07:50 <Ubit> what hell.. testing kens problem,  first tp i hitted a already 0.8.3
2015-10-23 07:50 <Ubit> second i hitted a private region.. 
2015-10-23 07:50 <Ubit> private at osg..  well
2015-10-23 07:50 <Ubit> mb i should go back to sleep with this luck ;)
2015-10-23 10:55 -!- slk(~oyk@devnull.drwxr-xr-x.eu) has left #opensim-dev
2015-10-23 18:00 <linkedinyou> his field is tons of reading and learning my brain blow , when ever you concentrate on something you will be forced by other most important to fill the gap and our gap is more wider then the Black Hole Gap in outer space who can fill that hhaahahah
2015-10-23 18:03 <linkedinyou> ah another thing
2015-10-23 18:04 <linkedinyou> the new mega corporations had increased the gap since they have been updating and adding new technologies togather ever second
2015-10-23 19:33 <nebadon> diva Melanie_ Ubit ping
2015-10-23 19:34 <nebadon> we have a major nasty
2015-10-23 19:34 <nebadon> sim crasher
2015-10-23 19:34 <nebadon> i suspect its a .net vs mono problem
2015-10-23 19:41 <Plugh> uh oh. Not good.
2015-10-23 19:41 <Plugh> What's the problem?
2015-10-23 19:41 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/4maBmPQr
2015-10-23 19:41 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/et9VVYbY
2015-10-23 19:41 <nebadon> different variations depending on version of mono
2015-10-23 19:41 <nebadon> and
2015-10-23 19:41 <nebadon> on mono 4.3.0 it does not fail
2015-10-23 19:41 <nebadon> which leads me to believe we have some .net 4.5 creep maybe
2015-10-23 19:42 <Plugh> Latest avn merge code?
2015-10-23 19:42 <nebadon> .net to mono 3.2.3 or 3.12 fails
2015-10-23 19:42 <nebadon> yes
2015-10-23 19:42 <nebadon> you have to be running windows and teleport to linux
2015-10-23 19:42 <nebadon> you crash the linux sim
2015-10-23 19:42 <nebadon> linux to linux is fine 
2015-10-23 19:42 <nebadon> and .net to mono 4.3 is fine
2015-10-23 19:45 <Plugh> oh, ok. I can't test that. Don't have a set up where I could TP from Win to Linux.
2015-10-23 19:46 <nebadon> me eityer
2015-10-23 19:46 <nebadon> Ken_S found it
2015-10-23 19:48 <Ken_S_> Plugh, you can TP from any of the OSGrid International sims.
2015-10-23 19:49 <Ken_S_> They are all running on windows and with the latest avn branch code
2015-10-23 19:49 <Plugh> TP to where? I don't have any copy of OS configured with HG support.
2015-10-23 19:50 <Ken_S_> TP to an empty sim somewhere like one of the osgrid sandboxes.
2015-10-23 19:51 <Ken_S_> Make sure no one is there because it may crash
2015-10-23 19:51 <Ken_S_> Im going to try to do a git bisect on the avn branch as time allows
2015-10-23 19:51 <Ken_S_> to see if thats where it is coming from
2015-10-23 19:52 <w-t-h> event horizon of the hypergrids :P
2015-10-23 20:33 <nebadon> diva we have found a nasty crashing bug
2015-10-23 20:33 <nebadon> teleporting
2015-10-23 20:33 <nebadon> Ken_S is bisecting now to find exact break
2015-10-23 20:33 <nebadon> it appears it happens between simulator running .net and mono
2015-10-23 20:34 <nebadon> going from .net to mono 3.2.3 or 3.12 you crash the mono sim
2015-10-23 20:34 <nebadon> but .net to mono 4.3 is fine
2015-10-23 20:34 <nebadon> so im guessing we are using something to new 
2015-10-23 20:34 <nebadon> that .net and mono dont agree on yet
2015-10-23 20:34 <nebadon> but we'll know more soon once bisect completes
2015-10-23 21:02 <w-t-h> go-mono has a nice compatibilty chart
2015-10-23 21:02 <w-t-h> http://www.mono-project.com/docs/about-mono/compatibility/
2015-10-23 21:04 <w-t-h> seems there's just a couple items with warning signs
2015-10-23 21:33 <Ubit> hi
2015-10-23 21:33 <Ubit> thats strange
2015-10-23 21:34 <nebadon> yea the bisect was not helpful
2015-10-23 21:34 <nebadon> I think it would need to be rerun
2015-10-23 21:34 <nebadon> i have no way to recreate it
2015-10-23 21:34 <nebadon> nor the time
2015-10-23 21:35 <Ubit> hmmm on of the logs points to linode
2015-10-23 21:35 <Ubit> libode
2015-10-23 21:35 <nebadon> really?
2015-10-23 21:35 <nebadon> cause that is where the bisect pointed to as well
2015-10-23 21:35 <Ubit> 11.        /home/osgrid/PLAZA/lbsa_plaza/bin/lib64/libode-x86_64.so(dGeomSetCategoryBits+0) [0x7fa38df46570]
2015-10-23 21:35 <nebadon> e14e432b5023ae64d44010c622063944a5158bf2
2015-10-23 21:35 <nebadon> this is the hash it spit out
2015-10-23 21:35 <nebadon> which is ODE
2015-10-23 21:36 <nebadon> diva catching exceptions
2015-10-23 21:36 <Ken_S> I am not running ode or UBODE on the departing sim. Not sure what is on the destination.
2015-10-23 21:36 <nebadon> OSgrid is not either
2015-10-23 21:36 <nebadon> not on that region anyway
2015-10-23 21:37 <Ubit> well i see it on the second paste above
2015-10-23 21:37 <Ken_S> Ubit try TP from one of the OSGrid international sims to Zaius and see if it crashes for you too.
2015-10-23 21:37 <Ubit> but stach trace..
2015-10-23 21:38 <Ubit> osg international is on windows server right ?
2015-10-23 21:38 <Ken_S> Yes
2015-10-23 21:38 <Ken_S> All of them
2015-10-23 21:39 <Ubit> well i just tped from win7 to lbsa .. see no issues
2015-10-23 21:39 <Ken_S> Win7?
2015-10-23 21:39 <Ubit> yeap
2015-10-23 21:40 <Ken_S> It has to be windows sim running latest avn branch code
2015-10-23 21:40 <Ken_S> Then tp to Zaius
2015-10-23 21:40 <Ubit> there no later than mine i thing ;)
2015-10-23 21:41 <Ken_S> So why does it crash when I TP there using latest code?
2015-10-23 21:41 <Ken_S> The sim itself is crashing
2015-10-23 21:41 <Ubit> no ideia still..
2015-10-23 21:41 <Ubit> zaius? let see
2015-10-23 21:42 <Ubit> well fs crashed
2015-10-23 21:42 <nebadon> region did not
2015-10-23 21:42 <Ken_S> I am using Singularity Viewer (64 bit) 1.8.6 (6610) Aug  7 2015 19:45:39 (Singularity Alpha)
2015-10-23 21:42 <Ken_S> I can try Replex too
2015-10-23 21:42 <Ubit> Error processing UDP end receive 8, socket error code 10047.  Exception  System.Net.Sockets.SocketException: An address incompatible with the requested protocol was used
2015-10-23 21:43 <Ubit> ???
2015-10-23 21:43 <Ken_S> I dont use FS, too slow
2015-10-23 21:43 <Ubit> hmm you changed yr router software right ?
2015-10-23 21:43 <nebadon> the thing is Ubit
2015-10-23 21:44 <nebadon> it works if he teleports to Sisyphus
2015-10-23 21:44 <nebadon> which runs mono 4.3
2015-10-23 21:44 <nebadon> but plazas run 3.2.3 and 3.12
2015-10-23 21:44 <nebadon> it feels like there is a misalignment of sorts between mono and .net
2015-10-23 21:44 <nebadon> on older mono
2015-10-23 21:44 <Ken_S> Yes, I changed it because I thought I had a router issue
2015-10-23 21:45 <Ubit> zaius as logins disabled
2015-10-23 21:45 <Ken_S> OK just used Replex to Zaius and it crash it
2015-10-23 21:46 <Ubit> thats strange
2015-10-23 21:46 <nebadon> it crashed
2015-10-23 21:46 <nebadon> ya it restarted
2015-10-23 21:46 <Ken_S> Yep
2015-10-23 21:46 <Ubit> a avn code crashing whould make some sense...   older ? strange
2015-10-23 21:46 <nebadon> stack trace
2015-10-23 21:46 <nebadon> but no other
2015-10-23 21:46 <nebadon> just says Native Stacktrace
2015-10-23 21:46 <nebadon> with some codes
2015-10-23 21:46 <nebadon> threading
2015-10-23 21:46 <nebadon> this feels like we are asking mono to do something it cant do
2015-10-23 21:47 <Ubit> yes neb..  buts thats on master branch
2015-10-23 21:48 <Ubit> ok i arrived at zaius.. no issues
2015-10-23 21:48 <nebadon> ya but your coming in from linux?
2015-10-23 21:48 <nebadon> or Windows?
2015-10-23 21:48 <nebadon> the simulator
2015-10-23 21:48 <Ubit> win7 avnmerge
2015-10-23 21:48 <nebadon> k
2015-10-23 21:48 <nebadon> very odd
2015-10-23 21:48 <Ubit> yeap
2015-10-23 21:48 <nebadon> maybe he doesnt have older .net ?
2015-10-23 21:49 <nebadon> so .net 4.5 is handling something?
2015-10-23 21:49 <nebadon> instead of say 3.5.1 or 4.0
2015-10-23 21:49 <Ken_S> I have always been pulling from the avinationmerge branch. Is that the correct one?
2015-10-23 21:49 <nebadon> yes
2015-10-23 21:49 <nebadon> for avnmerge work it is
2015-10-23 21:49 <Ken_S> ok
2015-10-23 21:50 <Ubit> damm and its not nice to debug on lunux
2015-10-23 21:50 <Ubit> stack traces are criptical  ..
2015-10-23 21:51 <Ken_S> The computer compiling it is windows Server 2012 using VS Express 2012
2015-10-23 21:51 <Ken_S> at my end
2015-10-23 21:53 <Ubit> ken  tp to my sim
2015-10-23 21:53 <Ken_S> dot net framework 4.5 is the only entry I see in program files
2015-10-23 21:53 <Ken_S> related to dot net
2015-10-23 21:53 <nebadon> that could be your issue
2015-10-23 21:53 <Ubit> from osgrid internation
2015-10-23 21:53 <nebadon> i have so little windows experience anymore
2015-10-23 21:53 <Ken_S> OK have to login
2015-10-23 21:55 <Ubit> hmm we made no changes on low udp level etc
2015-10-23 21:55 <Ken_S> Hmmm for some reason I cannot TP to osgrid international
2015-10-23 21:56 <Ubit> u are sure yr changes to the router where ok ?
2015-10-23 21:57 <Ken_S> Everything works perfectly on my test grid 100+ sims on same server all using avn latest code
2015-10-23 21:57 <Ken_S> Seems to only be an issue when it is mixed old and new sims windows and mono
2015-10-23 21:58 <Ubit> odd on paste is error on http, other is on udp..
2015-10-23 21:58 <Ken_S> But my compiler setup and environment has not changed in almost 2 years
2015-10-23 21:59 <Ubit> so you can't log at osg international ?
2015-10-23 22:00 <Ubit> i got no route to host 
2015-10-23 22:00 <Ken_S> I need to restart most of my sims. A power outage happened about 30 minutes ago and maybe screwed something up
2015-10-23 22:00 <Ubit> ok
2015-10-23 22:01 <Ken_S> I restarted one sim to save time and an in now
2015-10-23 22:01 <Ken_S> Where do you want me to tp?
2015-10-23 22:01 <Ubit> ubittestvar
2015-10-23 22:01 <Ubit> from osgrid international
2015-10-23 22:02 <Ubit> hmm nothing unusual
2015-10-23 22:02 <Ken_S> I tried from the smaller sim I restarted.
2015-10-23 22:02 <Ken_S> Viewer crashed
2015-10-23 22:02 <Ken_S> It takes International 20+ minutes to restart
2015-10-23 22:02 <Ubit> that its 2km size..  uff
2015-10-23 22:03 <Ken_S> I just need to restart everything right now.
2015-10-23 22:03 <Ubit> don't forget router :)
2015-10-23 22:03 <Ken_S> Power went down right in the middle of the git bisect and some things on UPS stayed on and other things didnt... like the modems
2015-10-23 22:04 <Ken_S> It will be at least an hour before all this is back up, and I have to leave on a short trip in about an hour
2015-10-23 22:04 <Ken_S> I'll try to get it all back up before leaving
2015-10-23 22:06 <Ubit> do u have the error on last zaius crash neb ?
2015-10-23 22:06 <Ken_S> OK apparently the UPS on the one server is dead.
2015-10-23 22:06 <Ken_S> It didnt keep OSG int online through the power outage
2015-10-23 22:07 <nebadon> 1 sec
2015-10-23 22:07 <nebadon> its been up for 22 minutes
2015-10-23 22:07 <nebadon> and crash befor ethat
2015-10-23 22:07 <nebadon> all it said was stacktrace
2015-10-23 22:08 <Ubit> and lists it all ?
2015-10-23 22:08 <nebadon> it was just a couple lines
2015-10-23 22:08 <nebadon> 1 sec
2015-10-23 22:08 <nebadon> its super uninformative
2015-10-23 22:48 <Ubit> wb ken
2015-10-23 22:49 <Ken_S> The OSGrid Int sims are restarted and back up.
2015-10-23 22:49 <Ubit> i know.. been there :)
2015-10-23 22:49 <Ken_S> Going to have to replace one of my UPS
2015-10-23 22:50 <Ken_S> There are still storms, so it could go down again if more power outages.
2015-10-23 22:50 <Ken_S> But hope not
2015-10-23 22:51 <Ubit> well now i can't get back into it
2015-10-23 22:52 <Ken_S> Oh great.  That issue has been going on for 2 days.
2015-10-23 22:52 <Ken_S> I first thought the router was thwe issue, but now I think it is something else.
2015-10-23 22:52 <Ubit> probs with yr net?
2015-10-23 22:53 <Ken_S> IDK, the issues seem to be worse with the vars
2015-10-23 22:53 <Ken_S> And no issues at all on my test grid on the same servers.
2015-10-23 22:54 <Ubit> i don't even seem to reach the point where vars are diferent form normal.. ie sending terrain
2015-10-23 22:54 <Ken_S> You want to see the log info from your last login attempt?
2015-10-23 22:54 <Ubit> new try.. see me on console ?
2015-10-23 22:55 <Ken_S> Yes, lot of yellow messages
2015-10-23 22:55 <Ubit> failed
2015-10-23 22:55 <Ubit> ok show me the log
2015-10-23 22:56 <Ken_S> Did not find presence before timeout etc
2015-10-23 22:56 <Ken_S> k
2015-10-23 22:56 <Ubit> ok thats comms
2015-10-23 22:56 <Ubit> my viewer wasn't able to connect
2015-10-23 22:57 <Ubit> again.. seems going to fail also
2015-10-23 22:58 <Ken_S> Here is the entire log, from when it was restarted until now.
2015-10-23 22:58 <Ken_S> http://pastebin.com/ha3YrynD
2015-10-23 22:59 <Ken_S> Yesterday, I could not get to the vars unless I TPd from a normal non-var sim that was on the new code.
2015-10-23 22:59 <Ken_S> TPing from older code sims did not work at all to the vars.
2015-10-23 22:59 <Ubit> its on  bullet ?
2015-10-23 23:00 <Ken_S> All vars are on Bullet except the sailing sim.
2015-10-23 23:00 <Ken_S> It is on UBODE
2015-10-23 23:00 <Ken_S> All my non-var sims are on Bullet too.
2015-10-23 23:01 <Ubit> ok
2015-10-23 23:02 <Ubit> first time i went there was pretty fast
2015-10-23 23:05 <Ubit> 627.2015-10-23 17:54:43,203 DEBUG (STP:Util:16) - OpenSim.Server.Handlers.Simulation.AgentPostHandler [AGENT HANDLER]: ASYNC CreateAgent Failed to verify user presence in the grid for Ubit Umarov, access denied to region OSGrid International.
2015-10-23 23:05 <Ubit> what hell ??
2015-10-23 23:05 <Ken_S> Doesnt make sense.
2015-10-23 23:06 <Ubit> well explains why i could not get there :)
2015-10-23 23:06 <Ubit> hmm but zaius is 0..8.3 also
2015-10-23 23:07 <Ken_S> Is there any code in place yet to block TPs under certain version conditions?
2015-10-23 23:07 <Ubit> yeap and that had changes
2015-10-23 23:08 <Ubit> nice now i can't tp anywhere on zaius
2015-10-23 23:09 <Ubit> from lbsa was fast
2015-10-23 23:10 <Ubit> odd why doesn't yr region like zaius ?
2015-10-23 23:10 <Ken_S> Maybe Zaius crashed
2015-10-23 23:10 <Ken_S> It is on an older mono I think
2015-10-23 23:10 <Ubit> nahh no crash
2015-10-23 23:11 <Ken_S> But LBSA was crashing when I TPd there too, but Neb may have updated it since then.
2015-10-23 23:11 <Ubit> was a clean refuse..  just master code seems not ot handle that case well and left me with broken tps
2015-10-23 23:11 <Ubit> this is to to yr region
2015-10-23 23:11 <Ubit> ok.. now let me crash zaius :p
2015-10-23 23:12 <Ken_S> Earlier I wasnt having issues going from Zaius, only going to it.
2015-10-23 23:12 <Ubit> i didn't..
2015-10-23 23:12 <Ubit> tp worked ok
2015-10-23 23:12 <Ken_S> From where?
2015-10-23 23:12 <Ubit> well im inside walls.. details lol
2015-10-23 23:13 <Ubit> from osgrid international
2015-10-23 23:13 <Ken_S> Hmmm it seems to be hit and miss then.
2015-10-23 23:13 <Ken_S> What viewer and OS?
2015-10-23 23:13 <Ubit> singu
2015-10-23 23:13 <Ubit> yr looking to console ?
2015-10-23 23:14 <Ken_S> I tested with sing and Replex
2015-10-23 23:14 <Ken_S> I am not now, but can
2015-10-23 23:14 <Ubit> what hell
2015-10-23 23:14 <Ubit> zauis there worked fine now
2015-10-23 23:14 <Ken_S> Could this be a timing issue?
2015-10-23 23:15 <Ubit> im not crashing zaius
2015-10-23 23:16 <Ken_S> Let me try going there again
2015-10-23 23:16 <Ubit> first try my region
2015-10-23 23:16 <Ken_S> ok
2015-10-23 23:16 <Ubit> with exactly the same avatar
2015-10-23 23:17 <Ubit> im running on old old as lbsa and zaius now
2015-10-23 23:17 <Ken_S> progress bar going very very slow
2015-10-23 23:17 <Ken_S> Looks like its going to timeout
2015-10-23 23:17 <Ubit> well see nothin on console still
2015-10-23 23:18 <Ubit> oops
2015-10-23 23:19 <Ken_S> Progress bar still up going very slow... Contacting New Region message
2015-10-23 23:19 <Ubit> what viewer are u using ?
2015-10-23 23:19 <Ken_S> OK it failed and I am back at origin sim
2015-10-23 23:20 <Ken_S> Hmmm not even any messages about it in local chat
2015-10-23 23:21 <Ken_S> OK finally got this message:
2015-10-23 23:21 <Ken_S> [16:21]  Could not teleport.
2015-10-23 23:21 <Ken_S> Previous teleport process incomplete.  Please retry shortly.
2015-10-23 23:21 <Ken_S> [16:21]  Could not teleport.
2015-10-23 23:21 <Ken_S> Problems connecting to destination UbitTestVar, reason: Connection between viewer and destination region could not be established.
2015-10-23 23:22 <Ubit> well ive a huge spam on log...
2015-10-23 23:23 <Ken_S> I'm really tempted to revert every change for the last 3 days and see what happens, but
2015-10-23 23:23 <Ubit> why does this crap start logging threading pool without me asking for it
2015-10-23 23:23 <Ken_S> I'm really pressed for time tonight
2015-10-23 23:23 <Ubit> ufff have log filled with crap i didn't ask for
2015-10-23 23:25 <Ubit> plz let me clean this mess and retry
2015-10-23 23:25 <Ken_S> I can TP back and forth to Wright Plaza with no issues.
2015-10-23 23:26 <Ubit> im restarting it.. the log was unreable with meaningless things
2015-10-23 23:27 <Ubit> grrrrr
2015-10-23 23:27 <Ken_S> Now I tried from Wright Plaza to OSG Int and got this message:
2015-10-23 23:27 <Ken_S> [16:26]  Could not teleport.
2015-10-23 23:27 <Ken_S> Service request failed: Error: ConnectFailure (No route to host)
2015-10-23 23:27 <Ubit> ok  try osgrid int to mine again plz
2015-10-23 23:28 <Ken_S> I cannot get there
2015-10-23 23:28 <Ubit> yr net seems unstable ?
2015-10-23 23:29 <Ken_S> I dont know what is going on.
2015-10-23 23:29 <Ken_S> I am on a normal sim right now running the new code
2015-10-23 23:29 <Ken_S> Want me to TP from there?
2015-10-23 23:29 <Ubit> ubittestvar
2015-10-23 23:30 <Ubit> well i did tp to osgrid not
2015-10-23 23:30 <Ken_S> That worked
2015-10-23 23:30 <Ubit> and u seem ok on mine no ?
2015-10-23 23:30 <Ken_S> Yes this time.
2015-10-23 23:30 <Ken_S> But didnt work last time from same sim
2015-10-23 23:31 <Ubit> seems issues with yr net
2015-10-23 23:31 <Ken_S> Thats why I wanted others to see if they could duplicate on their net with the same setup
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2015-10-23 23:34 <Ubit> well no ideia, but that u seem to be having net issues
2015-10-23 23:35 <Ubit> i did tp from osgrid international to zaius without crash
2015-10-23 23:35 <Ubit> can u get to it ad tp from it to mine, since that seems the one crashing other sims ?
2015-10-23 23:36 <Ken_S> I made it to osg int from your sim
2015-10-23 23:36 <Ken_S> Want me to try going back?
2015-10-23 23:36 <Ubit> yeap
2015-10-23 23:37 <Ken_S> That worked too
2015-10-23 23:37 <Ubit> yeap
2015-10-23 23:37 <Ubit> yr net decided to work..
2015-10-23 23:37 <Ken_S> Its not consistent at all.
2015-10-23 23:38 <Ken_S> But regardless, it should not be able to make a sim crash.
2015-10-23 23:38 <Ubit> nopes it should not
2015-10-23 23:38 <Ken_S> And I was crashing Zaius and LBSA everytime I TPd there earlier today
2015-10-23 23:38 <Ubit> unless yr router is messing up playloads?? no ideia
2015-10-23 23:39 <Ken_S> I'd buy a new router in a heartbeat if I was sure that was 100% of the cause.
2015-10-23 23:40 <Ubit> you can ask yr ISP to do a diagnostic of yr net
2015-10-23 23:40 <Ken_S> I wonder if there could be something going wrong with DNS too
2015-10-23 23:40 <Ubit> well ask yr ISP to check yr connetion
2015-10-23 23:41 <Ken_S> So bay payloads could potentially crash a sim?
2015-10-23 23:41 <Ken_S> *bat
2015-10-23 23:41 <Ken_S> *bad
2015-10-23 23:42 <Ubit> just guessing..
2015-10-23 23:42 <Ubit> one of the errors was  mono telling it didn't understand yr udp 
2015-10-23 23:42 <Ken_S> OK, well Im going to call them and see what I can get done before I leave.
2015-10-23 23:43 <Ken_S> I'll let you know what I find out.
2015-10-23 23:43 <Ubit> oh u also have airplaes and helis there :)
2015-10-23 23:43 <Ubit> b29 ?
2015-10-23 23:44 <Ubit> enolagay ? 
2015-10-23 23:44 <Ken_S> Until then you might see if someone else running the latest avn code on windows can do some TP testing.
2015-10-23 23:44 <Ken_S> Other people built most of that,
2015-10-23 23:44 <Ubit> i see no issues with tps
2015-10-23 23:44 <Ken_S> I havent paid a lot of attention to what is there honestly
2015-10-23 23:44 <Ken_S> I just work to keep the sims up and running lol
2015-10-23 23:45 <Ubit> well only tested to 0.8.3 and 0.8.2 
2015-10-24 03:07 <OtakuMegane> Hmm IRCBridge works, though it seems to not connect sometimes on start and then reconnect don't work either. No clue why of course. :P
2015-10-24 03:09 <OtakuMegane> This module may end up being a first project for me.
2015-10-24 03:11 <nebadon> I tried not to long ago cause someone else was having trouble
2015-10-24 03:11 <nebadon> I couldnt get it to work
2015-10-24 03:13 <OtakuMegane> I eventually traced my own problem to not putting the right user setting into OpenSim.ini, it requires the entire (and correct) USER string. Something that should really be changed
2015-10-24 03:14 <OtakuMegane> It connects usually an works fine, but on maybe 1 in 3 or 4 sim starts it just won't connect for unknown reasons and never will until restart.
2015-10-24 03:17 <OtakuMegane> Haven't had it up for any length of time yet so dunno if the reconnect spam is still an issue or no. It's behaved in my limited use so far.
2015-10-24 03:17 <nebadon> I was only testing here on freenode
2015-10-24 03:18 <nebadon> are you running your own iRC? maybe that is why it works
2015-10-24 03:18 <OtakuMegane> No, that turned out to be a pain trying to set one up. XD
2015-10-24 03:19 <OtakuMegane> Tested it on Rizon, going to try some other networks next time now that it seems to function.
2015-10-24 03:34 <MarcusLlewellyn> Once upon a time. I was quite pussaint when it came to the IRC protocol, mostly client, but some server flavors too. Getting connected can sometimes require checking what sort of daemon you're conneting to. IRC on the server side is anarchy in terms of all of the implementations.
2015-10-24 03:35 <MarcusLlewellyn> Aside from extra modes, the client protocol is mostly stable. The server though... #*@^!
2015-10-24 03:35 <OtakuMegane> lol
2015-10-24 03:36 <MarcusLlewellyn> There's specific connect strings in a specific order that is needed for a successful connect. It can be challenging finding a one size fits all solution.
2015-10-24 03:37 <MarcusLlewellyn> But take my advice with the caveat that I was writing clients and bots before ipv6 or SSL were a thing.
2015-10-24 03:39 <OtakuMegane> Well most so far seem to follow the connection standard, or are tolerant at least. But I don't usually work with small IRC nets or servers very often which is probably where a lot of weird stuff gets configured.
2015-10-24 03:43 <MarcusLlewellyn> Do we use an IRC lib, or was is the protocol handling done from cratch?
2015-10-24 03:43 <MarcusLlewellyn> scratch
2015-10-24 03:44 <OtakuMegane> It's done from scratch.
2015-10-24 03:45 <MarcusLlewellyn> Looks like from stratch
2015-10-24 03:45 <MarcusLlewellyn> yeah
2015-10-24 03:45 <MarcusLlewellyn> I find myself wondering if looking for a maintained (or quasi-maintined) bsd/mit/apache2 .NET irc lib might not be wise.
2015-10-24 03:49 <OtakuMegane> Something to consider, yes. Probably won't be messing with the module again for a few days at least, just had some time tonight to see if I could make it work at all.
2015-10-24 03:49 <MarcusLlewellyn> SmartIrc4Net looks like a possibility. It's LGPL. https://github.com/meebey/SmartIrc4net
2015-10-24 03:50 <MarcusLlewellyn> I've found a couple others, but they have a zombie look.
2015-10-24 14:25 <osmantis> Bug #7558:04 Script status is not saved. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7558 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-10-24 15:20 <diva> so what was that all about -- the mono crash on TP. Did someone nail the problem down?
2015-10-24 15:52 <Ubit> no diva we didn't :(
2015-10-24 15:57 <Ubit> it also didn't happened when we retested it... yeackk
2015-10-24 15:57 <diva> so, no repro?
2015-10-24 15:58 <Ubit> think not
2015-10-24 15:59 <Ubit> just did a tp from that region to zaius..   and zaius alive
2015-10-24 16:00 <Ubit> damm my fs crashed.. but thats because i started on a large region
2015-10-24 16:00 <Ubit> yeap zaius region is fine
2015-10-24 16:04 <diva> did someone have a setup where the crash always happened?
2015-10-24 16:04 <Ubit> no
2015-10-24 16:05 <diva> so, gnomes?
2015-10-24 16:05 <Ubit> just a mantis reporting a similar error on httpserver
2015-10-24 16:05 <Ubit> one of the errors ..  other was on udp
2015-10-24 16:05 <Ubit> mantis 7340 ? let me check
2015-10-24 16:06 <Ubit> yeap
2015-10-24 16:07 <Ubit> ERROR - OpenSim.Framework.Servers.HttpServer.BaseHttpServer [BASE HTTP SERVER]: HttpServer.HttpListener had an exception: Invalid arguments 
2015-10-24 16:07 <Ubit>  System.Net.Sockets.SocketException: Invalid arguments
2015-10-24 16:07 <Ubit>  at System.Net.Sockets.Socket.Accept () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
2015-10-24 16:08 <Ubit> well not much debug info to use.. those errors can be "real" or side effects of something elsewhere
2015-10-24 16:10 <diva> yeah, it's hard to fix heisenbugs, especially those that only happen once every 20 times. BUt if someone has a setup where the bug always happens, that's better
2015-10-24 16:11 <Ubit> i made him tp to my region several times...  no crash :)
2015-10-24 16:11 <diva> but did he crash in his regions?
2015-10-24 16:11 <Ubit> a lot easier when we have a crash inside a vs debug 
2015-10-24 16:11 <Ubit> nopes
2015-10-24 16:11 <Ubit> not even all linux ones
2015-10-24 16:11 <Ubit> just zaius and lbsa
2015-10-24 16:12 <Ubit> sis??  survived
2015-10-24 16:12 <diva> did the crash always happen in those?
2015-10-24 16:12 <diva> or only every so often?
2015-10-24 16:12 <Ubit> twice later worked fine even for him
2015-10-24 16:12 <Ubit> ( well twice from the reports i seen here )
2015-10-24 16:13 <diva> hmm, ok, then not much can be done
2015-10-24 16:14 <Ubit> yeap
2015-10-24 16:15 <Ubit> only major change i seen was his network conditions..  
2015-10-24 16:15 <Ubit> it broke down to the point of him changinf router firmware etc
2015-10-24 16:16 <diva> oh
2015-10-24 16:16 <diva> ok
2015-10-24 17:41 <OtakuMegane> So used to cloning the repository onto my server. Takes a lot longer at home.
2015-10-24 18:00 <Ubit> dont know if at a point one should close a repo, and start a new one without history
2015-10-24 18:00 <Ubit> with first commit telling Go see blabla for previus history :)
2015-10-24 18:01 <Ubit> mb when getting into 0.9.0 or something
2015-10-24 18:12 <Plugh> um... why?
2015-10-24 18:12 <Ubit> mb lighter ?
2015-10-24 18:13 <Plugh> How about when we hit 1.0?  :)
2015-10-24 18:14 <Ubit> depends.. not necessary on each 0.1 increment
2015-10-24 18:14 <Ubit> just why keep getting history since birthday all the time ?
2015-10-24 18:14 <Ubit> guess soemtime git will smoke
2015-10-24 18:16 <Ubit> well last day of the year is another option :)
2015-10-24 18:18 <nebadon> i think we are pretty far from breaking git
2015-10-24 18:18 <nebadon> http://www.wired.com/2015/09/google-2-billion-lines-codeand-one-place/
2015-10-24 18:18 <Ubit> ok just a bit fat then :)
2015-10-24 18:19 <diva> google doesn't use git, they use some version of perforce
2015-10-24 18:20 <nebadon> yes but they did
2015-10-24 18:20 <nebadon> until they couldnt which wasnt that long ago
2015-10-24 18:21 <nebadon> really though I think this project is pretty far from breaking git
2015-10-24 18:21 <nebadon> especially now that all those tags are gone
2015-10-24 18:21 <diva> yeah
2015-10-24 18:22 <Ubit> ok i change "breaking git" to harder to clone :)
2015-10-24 18:22 <nebadon> is it that hard though?
2015-10-24 18:22 <OtakuMegane> lol
2015-10-24 18:22 <Ubit> but never mind..  
2015-10-24 18:23 <OtakuMegane> It can be a bit slow on some connections but it's still the same command. Doesn't really get harder I'm aware of
2015-10-24 18:23 <Ubit> i just react to OtakuMegane coment :)
2015-10-24 18:23 <nebadon> and really if you have to clone the old repo to see the history anyway
2015-10-24 18:23 <nebadon> then really you are just making more work
2015-10-24 18:24 <nebadon> but yes I experience that as well Otaku
2015-10-24 18:24 <nebadon> cloning here on Comcast is slow
2015-10-24 18:24 <Ubit> yeap but do you want to see 2010 code all the time ?
2015-10-24 18:24 <nebadon> cloning on my data center servers is like 30 seconds
2015-10-24 18:24 <OtakuMegane> Breaking git itself is probably not something OS will ever come close to accomplishing. There are far larger projects and I've stumbled across git logs from time to time with 100+ commits a day.
2015-10-24 18:25 <nebadon> Linux Kernel
2015-10-24 18:25 <nebadon> heh
2015-10-24 18:25 <OtakuMegane> Mono pushes it worse than OS does and they seem fine
2015-10-24 18:25 <Ubit> 
ACTION looks to his adsl router and kicks it

2015-10-24 18:25 <OtakuMegane> Linux kernel may have been one of the ones I came across now that you mention it
2015-10-24 18:38 <nebadon> http://royal.pingdom.com/2012/04/16/linux-kernel-development-numbers
2015-10-24 18:40 <lkalif> Ubit: git history does not slow it down, it's optimized
2015-10-24 18:40 <Ubit> ok
2015-10-24 18:45 -!- IgorVorotiloff(~GuyCharle@unaffiliated/igorvorotiloff) has left #opensim-dev
2015-10-24 19:38 <OtakuMegane> Heh, IRCBridgeModule really hasn't been worked on in ages.
2015-10-24 21:35 <linkedinyou> nebadon: thank you for the posted lernal link , i find out that my Kernal uses old netif_rx method and using old buffering managments is bad idea need to change version here
2015-10-24 21:36 <linkedinyou> kernal link
2015-10-24 21:39 <linkedinyou> badly i am using 26.27
2015-10-24 21:48 <Ubit> vegaslon  can u test now ?
2015-10-24 21:50 <vegaslon> yep
2015-10-24 21:50 <Ubit> :)
2015-10-24 21:53 <Ubit> ohh i see a clock ticking now :)
2015-10-24 21:54 <Ubit> 12h format.. i don't like 12h format :)
2015-10-24 21:54 <Ubit> brb
2015-10-24 22:00 <vegaslon> yep that is a winner, works now
2015-10-24 22:07 <Ubit> cool
2015-10-24 22:13 <lkalif> two j
2015-10-24 22:14 <lkalif> ¨two hours to daylight ending
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2015-10-24 22:58 <Plugh> Isn't there a way to specify the OS version other than having to hardcode it in an assembly statement located in many files?
2015-10-25 00:21 -!- IgorVorotiloff(~GuyCharle@unaffiliated/igorvorotiloff) has left #opensim-dev
2015-10-25 02:51 <OtakuMegane> Well, I may have figured out IRCBridge's random connect failure: it's trying to join channels before being fully registered with the network.
2015-10-25 02:53 <OtakuMegane> Put in a delay that waits for the RPL_WELCOME to be received before attempting to join channels and so far it's been 100% each try
2015-10-25 03:01 <linkedinyou> I have not failed. I've just found 100000000000 code in opensim that won't work.....
2015-10-25 03:01 <OtakuMegane> May also help if there is remaining reconnect spam since I had observed it sometimes being stuck in endless connect failures.
2015-10-25 03:17 <OtakuMegane> Stuck on a check for the motd being done too so it doesn't get hung by that.
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2015-10-25 20:03 <diva_> so this should be ported to 0.8.2, Ubit?
2015-10-25 20:04 <Ubit> think so yeap...  well unless i see a nicer fix :)
2015-10-25 20:04 <Ubit> i mean unless YOU see :)
2015-10-25 20:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #4338 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-10-25 20:11 <Ubit> brb
2015-10-25 20:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4338: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4338/
2015-10-25 20:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  set SOG.IsAttachment when doing a full check, so future gets see the right value
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2015-10-26 04:07 <osmantis> Bug #7731:04 IRCBridgeModule random connect issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7731 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-10-26 18:13 <osmantis> Bug #7731:04 IRCBridgeModule random connect issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7731 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-10-26 18:20 <mheilman> Is there a workflow to split a var region into separate standard sized regions?
2015-10-26 19:39 <gamucf> Hi, everyone....just a quick question.  Does OpenSim (through Bullet or otherwise) do anything with particle systems?
2015-10-26 19:40 <lkalif> no, particles are a viewer side effect
2015-10-26 19:40 <lkalif> the sim just sends params and the viewer does all the animation
2015-10-26 19:41 <gamucf> Alright...I was thinking that but wanted to confirm.  Many thanks!
2015-10-26 19:41 <lkalif> np
2015-10-26 19:57 <osmantis> Bug #7732:04 on startup, default avatar assets can't be loaded...  (skin,shape,cloth) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7732 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-10-26 20:54 <osmantis> Bug #7558:04 Script status is not saved. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7558 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-10-26 22:03 <Melanie_T> what does FindAgent do?
2015-10-26 22:04 <Melanie_T> is this for finding freinds on the map?
2015-10-26 22:04 <Ubit> yeap
2015-10-26 22:04 <Ubit> have it working now
2015-10-26 22:04 <Melanie_T> good stuff
2015-10-26 22:04 <Ubit> just checking to push
2015-10-26 22:04 <Ubit> ( sure someone needs to recheck  you know my bugs ;) )
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2015-10-27 11:52 <osmantis> Bug #7732:04 on startup, default avatar assets can't be loaded...  (skin,shape,cloth) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7732 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-10-27 18:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #4339 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-10-27 18:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4339: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4339/
2015-10-27 18:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix services handling of visualparameters, avoiding possible crashs (mantis 7732) partially appling code from avinationmerge
2015-10-27 21:08 <nebadon> http://conference.opensimulator.org/2015/
2015-10-27 21:09 <nebadon> http://conference.opensimulator.org/2015/staff/call-for-volunteers/
2015-10-27 21:12 <lkalif> seems like a short time scale
2015-10-27 21:13 <nebadon> it is
2015-10-27 21:14 <nebadon> but we have been planning for a few weeks now too
2015-10-27 21:14 <nebadon> but we wanted to have something
2015-10-27 21:14 <nebadon> it wont be the same as last year
2015-10-27 21:14 <nebadon> just 1 day, so it is a lot less work too
2015-10-27 21:15 <lkalif> i see
2015-10-27 21:15 <lkalif> the first one was great
2015-10-27 22:43 <linkedinyou> lkalif: when i check the file packet it tell me (This file has been truncated, but you can) 
2015-10-27 22:45 <linkedinyou> in my previous developments in libomv i have added new scripts there and confused now how i would add them to the new libomv without the packet.cs file
2015-10-27 23:07 <Melanie_T> _Packets_.cs is a generated file
2015-10-27 23:07 <Melanie_T> you should never edit it
2015-10-27 23:07 <Melanie_T> it's generated from the LLUDP message map
2015-10-27 23:08 <Melanie_T> editing packets.cs was one of the first mistakes I made when I touched OMV
2015-10-27 23:10 <linkedinyou> RequestPacke ReplyEventArgs is happening there in my new module no other way i can make
2015-10-27 23:11 <Melanie_T> he packets.cs file is generated from the message map
2015-10-27 23:11 <Melanie_T> it has all packets that exist in LL space
2015-10-27 23:11 <Melanie_T> you should NOT add new UDP packets
2015-10-27 23:11 <Melanie_T> all new data types should travel via CAPS or the event queue
2015-10-27 23:11 <Melanie_T> depending on direction
2015-10-27 23:12 <Melanie_T> CAPS is viewer to simulator and event queue is simulator to viewer
2015-10-27 23:12 <Melanie_T> adding new UDP packets or extending existing packets is a no-no
2015-10-27 23:13 <linkedinyou> it was working and still in my previous developmets and packet streeaming never gave issue to me data and bytes never complained
2015-10-27 23:14 <Melanie_T> manually adding new UDP packets to libomv is not a feasible option
2015-10-27 23:14 <linkedinyou> i will chck on CAPS then
2015-10-27 23:14 <Melanie_T> anything you do that creates new UDP packets will NOT work with opensim standard and will NOT be acceptable by any repo, core, avn, forge, no matter
2015-10-27 23:15 <Melanie_T> it's just NOT done
2015-10-27 23:15 <linkedinyou> i was planning to add it to avn
2015-10-27 23:16 <Melanie_T> the opensim distros use standard libomv
2015-10-27 23:16 <Melanie_T> if it's not in OMV it can't be used
2015-10-27 23:16 <Melanie_T> what are you working on anyway?
2015-10-27 23:16 <linkedinyou> Transactions streaming
2015-10-27 23:17 <Melanie_T> transactions of what kind?
2015-10-27 23:17 <linkedinyou> Currency
2015-10-27 23:17 <Melanie_T> why would you want to stream currency data?
2015-10-27 23:17 <Melanie_T> what is the point of that?
2015-10-27 23:17 <Melanie_T> there is already a functioning currency module interface that many modules use
2015-10-27 23:18 <linkedinyou> i my openion it wont give any malform that way
2015-10-27 23:18 <linkedinyou> using packetblocks
2015-10-27 23:19 <Melanie_T> what do you call "malform"?
2015-10-27 23:19 <Melanie_T> and as I said, UDP packets are NOT to be added
2015-10-27 23:20 <Melanie_T> maybe you should write your idea up in the -dev mailinglist
2015-10-27 23:20 <Melanie_T> because I don't understand what you are trying to achieve that other solutions like the nsl/dtl money server already have
2015-10-27 23:20 <Melanie_T> erm, "don't already have"
2015-10-27 23:22 <linkedinyou> i have used the nsl/dtl 4 years ago i did not thing it is performing the right way (buffering nor AgentDataBlocks)
2015-10-27 23:22 <Melanie_T> i don't know what you call AgentDataBlocks
2015-10-27 23:22 <Melanie_T> money has nothing to do with AgentData
2015-10-27 23:22 <linkedinyou> it do with me
2015-10-27 23:23 <Melanie_T> write it up so we can see if it is acceptable
2015-10-27 23:23 <Melanie_T> from what I heard so far, it's not acceptable for core/avn
2015-10-27 23:23 <Melanie_T> so, best to post to -dev mailinglist with a complete description
2015-10-27 23:23 <linkedinyou> i will write it when tested it wont take 2 days 
2015-10-27 23:24 <Melanie_T> people there will tell you what can or can't be done or how to do it better
2015-10-27 23:24 <linkedinyou> mostly when ever i do work it leaded me to low level programming so i keep study more at this stage
2015-10-27 23:34 <linkedinyou> i am viewing code from a low level programming i am sure i should see things in differnet way :(
2015-10-27 23:41 <linkedinyou> in the packet return new EconomyDataRequestPacket and return new EconomyDataPacket
2015-10-27 23:41 <Melanie_T> yes but the core alreadyhandles that packet
2015-10-27 23:41 <Melanie_T> but money modules can override it
2015-10-27 23:41 <Melanie_T> so that is already taken care of
2015-10-27 23:43 <linkedinyou> yes even PayPriceReplyPacket it is all exist in the packet why we dont include it in same place 
2015-10-27 23:45 <Melanie_T> all existing packets are _already_ in libOMV
2015-10-27 23:45 <Melanie_T> so i don't understand what you are trying to do
2015-10-27 23:47 <linkedinyou> i am trying to undrstand libomv more in low level programming perspctive and even the CircuitCodePacket confusing me more but i am trying :(
2015-10-28 00:45 <osmantis> Bug #7732:04 on startup, default avatar assets can't be loaded...  (skin,shape,cloth) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7732 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-10-28 04:43 <MarcusLlewellyn> ping nebadon
2015-10-28 04:53 <nebadon> hey MarcusLlewellyn
2015-10-28 04:53 <nebadon> whats up
2015-10-28 04:53 <MarcusLlewellyn> Heya. I'm at OSCC, KN1. All the mesh seems to be missing. Is this known to you?
2015-10-28 04:56 <nebadon> hmm no shouldnt be
2015-10-28 04:56 <nebadon> maybe just needs a boot
2015-10-28 04:57 <MarcusLlewellyn> I've tried two viewers and clearing cache. The physics for the objects are there, but the objects don't rez. Pyramid forest. :)
2015-10-28 04:57 <nebadon> ah
2015-10-28 04:57 <nebadon> hmm ok let me check it 1 sec
2015-10-28 04:58 <MarcusLlewellyn> I see similar issues at Staff Zone 1. I see a plant I know is mesh fine. But lots of pyramids.
2015-10-28 04:58 <MarcusLlewellyn> Looks like the couches at SZ1.
2015-10-28 04:59 <nebadon> I know staff zone is fine
2015-10-28 04:59 <nebadon> i was just there
2015-10-28 04:59 <MarcusLlewellyn> Hrm
2015-10-28 04:59 <MarcusLlewellyn> Sooo... something on my end? Not sure what it could be.
2015-10-28 04:59 <nebadon> let me check
2015-10-28 05:00 <nebadon> yea staff zone looks solid here
2015-10-28 05:00 <nebadon> what viewer?
2015-10-28 05:00 <MarcusLlewellyn> How odd.
2015-10-28 05:00 <MarcusLlewellyn> FS and alchemy. Both have had their caches cleared.
2015-10-28 05:01 <MarcusLlewellyn> I'm also not HGed in. I'm on a local OSCC account.
2015-10-28 05:01 <nebadon> ya I am too
2015-10-28 05:02 <nebadon> on Replex
2015-10-28 05:02 <nebadon> like me try FS
2015-10-28 05:05 <nebadon> ok logging in now with fs
2015-10-28 05:05 <nebadon> had to add grid
2015-10-28 05:05 <nebadon> cleared cache as well to be sure
2015-10-28 05:06 <nebadon> well I am in and stuff is loading
2015-10-28 05:06 <nebadon> but i am getting like 1fps
2015-10-28 05:06 <nebadon> FS hates me
2015-10-28 05:06 <MarcusLlewellyn> Huh. Why am I losing meshes?
2015-10-28 05:06 <nebadon> it never has run good on my laptop
2015-10-28 05:07 <MarcusLlewellyn> lemme go to an old Singularity.
2015-10-28 05:07 <nebadon> wierd i cant even move with FS
2015-10-28 05:07 <nebadon> im literally getting 1fps
2015-10-28 05:07 <nebadon> but oddly everything loaded super fast
2015-10-28 05:07 <nebadon> like almost instantly
2015-10-28 05:07 <nebadon> its always run like shit on this computer though, but not this bad
2015-10-28 05:08 <nebadon> oh i w33
2015-10-28 05:08 <nebadon> see*
2015-10-28 05:08 <nebadon> there was a bunch of replex.exe hung
2015-10-28 05:09 <MarcusLlewellyn> Sing is fine. I see everything.
2015-10-28 05:10 <MarcusLlewellyn> I'm kinda stymied. Makes little sense.
2015-10-28 05:10 <nebadon> im trying again now fresh
2015-10-28 05:10 <nebadon> there we go
2015-10-28 05:10 <nebadon> nice and fast
2015-10-28 05:10 <nebadon> with FS
2015-10-28 05:11 <nebadon> so odd I had 2 hung replex.exe but they both showed 0% cpu
2015-10-28 05:11 <nebadon> and it was killing FS
2015-10-28 05:11 <nebadon> maybe GPU was hung or something
2015-10-28 05:11 <MarcusLlewellyn> SLVoice maybe.
2015-10-28 05:11 <nebadon> fan wasnt spinning
2015-10-28 05:11 <MarcusLlewellyn> I dunno.
2015-10-28 05:12 <MarcusLlewellyn> And this mesh thing must be just me, unless you hear it from others. But I don't see why it's happening. Never has before
2015-10-28 05:13 <MarcusLlewellyn> I'm missing meshes on KN1 with Singularity now too.
2015-10-28 05:13 <MarcusLlewellyn> But only the chairs.
2015-10-28 05:13 <MarcusLlewellyn> And I lost my hat. lol
2015-10-28 05:14 <MarcusLlewellyn> On, no, there it is.
2015-10-28 05:14 <nebadon> let me try KN
2015-10-28 05:15 <nebadon> oh ya
2015-10-28 05:15 <nebadon> look at that
2015-10-28 05:15 <nebadon> region cache is probably screwed
2015-10-28 05:15 <nebadon> let me clear them
2015-10-28 05:15 <MarcusLlewellyn> Okie dokie.
2015-10-28 05:16 <nebadon> hmm
2015-10-28 05:16 <nebadon> i crashed
2015-10-28 05:17 <nebadon> im restarting it as well
2015-10-28 05:17 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yeah, I logged off.
2015-10-28 05:18 <MarcusLlewellyn> Lemme know when the region cache has time to populate, then I'll pop back in.
2015-10-28 05:19 <nebadon> hmm
2015-10-28 05:19 <nebadon> ya something is wrong
2015-10-28 05:19 <nebadon> how odd
2015-10-28 05:19 <nebadon> its like the assets are missing or something
2015-10-28 05:19 <nebadon> but there are no console errors
2015-10-28 05:19 <MarcusLlewellyn> It wasn't me. I wasn't there. Nobody saw me do it.
2015-10-28 05:19 <nebadon> but even with region cache clear and viewer cache clear
2015-10-28 05:21 <MarcusLlewellyn> I don't think they could be missing.. physics shapes load. *Something* is there. The viewer just isn't getting the mesh data for some reason.
2015-10-28 05:26 <nebadon> ya I have no idea
2015-10-28 05:27 <nebadon> i even tried loading an oar
2015-10-28 05:27 <nebadon> its still doing it
2015-10-28 05:27 <nebadon> wierd
2015-10-28 05:27 <nebadon> its like all the mesh are missing
2015-10-28 05:27 <nebadon> so strange
2015-10-28 05:27 <MarcusLlewellyn> That whole grid, DB and all, is on a single machine, yes?
2015-10-28 05:27 <nebadon> yes
2015-10-28 05:28 <MarcusLlewellyn> So not networking. A old tweak to asset fetching that's no longer applicable?
2015-10-28 05:28 <MarcusLlewellyn> Or... has the DB been upgraded? max_allowed_packet?
2015-10-28 05:29 <nebadon> not sure I cant really look anymore right now
2015-10-28 05:29 <nebadon> i'll look at it soon
2015-10-28 05:29 <MarcusLlewellyn> Just wanted you to be aware of it. You did ask at the meeting. ;)
2015-10-28 05:29 <nebadon> this could be very problematic
2015-10-28 05:30 <MarcusLlewellyn> Hopefully not. Prolly setting somewhere. Hopefully. :)
2015-10-28 05:30 <nebadon> that seems unlikely
2015-10-28 05:31 <MarcusLlewellyn> Just being optimistic. :)
2015-10-28 05:32 <MarcusLlewellyn> I was just thinking that if you upgraded Suse, you prolly got upgraded software. That's why max_allowed_packet popped to mind. Not saying it's that. Could be a few things.
2015-10-28 05:32 <nebadon> its not that
2015-10-28 05:32 <nebadon> other regions are fine
2015-10-28 05:33 <MarcusLlewellyn> I didn't notice any problems on the business track region.
2015-10-28 05:33 <nebadon> the chairs are not that complex
2015-10-28 05:33 <nebadon> ya we have been having meetings at staff zone for weeks
2015-10-28 05:33 <nebadon> been fine
2015-10-28 05:33 <MarcusLlewellyn> And it isn't all meshes all the time. It's not consistant.
2015-10-28 05:33 <nebadon> ok might be config
2015-10-28 05:33 <nebadon> i took something from keynote
2015-10-28 05:33 <nebadon> and brought it to sandbox
2015-10-28 05:33 <nebadon> and its fine
2015-10-28 05:33 <nebadon> it rezzes clean there
2015-10-28 05:33 <nebadon> how odd
2015-10-28 05:34 <MarcusLlewellyn> diff against one of the behaving sims when you have the time. Look for trouble. ;)
2015-10-28 05:34 <nebadon> ya i will look tomorrow
2015-10-28 05:35 <nebadon> when im more awake
2015-10-28 05:35 <MarcusLlewellyn> I volunteered. So I can help look for lots more work for you. >:)
2015-10-28 05:35 <nebadon> nice
2015-10-28 05:59 <nebadon> Figured it out MarcusLlewellyn
2015-10-28 05:59 <nebadon> was a cap problem I think
2015-10-28 05:59 <nebadon> havent tested yet
2015-10-28 05:59 <MarcusLlewellyn> Ah-hah
2015-10-28 06:00 <MarcusLlewellyn> If you need independent verification, gimma a ping
2015-10-28 06:00 <nebadon> yea 1 minute
2015-10-28 06:01 <nebadon> makes me wonder if Justin was experimenting
2015-10-28 06:01 <nebadon> after the conference
2015-10-28 06:01 <nebadon> he might have been
2015-10-28 06:01 <nebadon> casue technically this should have never worked
2015-10-28 06:01 <nebadon> very odd
2015-10-28 06:02 <MarcusLlewellyn> jcc? Tinkering? Obsessively? Naaaaaaaah.
2015-10-28 06:03 <nebadon> woohoo
2015-10-28 06:03 <nebadon> give it a whirl
2015-10-28 06:03 <nebadon> and thanks for letting me know
2015-10-28 06:04 <nebadon> loaded up super fast for me
2015-10-28 06:04 <nebadon> like instantly
2015-10-28 06:04 <MarcusLlewellyn> incoming
2015-10-28 06:05 <MarcusLlewellyn> Chairs! Soo many chairs! Huzzah!
2015-10-28 06:05 <MarcusLlewellyn> It's all there.
2015-10-28 06:05 <MarcusLlewellyn> Just as I remember it.
2015-10-28 06:06 <nebadon> nice
2015-10-28 06:06 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yeah, seems all awesome now
2015-10-28 06:06 <nebadon> ya i was like im not going to sleep until that is resolved
2015-10-28 06:06 <MarcusLlewellyn> lol
2015-10-28 06:06 <MarcusLlewellyn> It smelled like a config thing somewhere to me.
2015-10-28 06:07 <nebadon> ya it was wierd there was no error on region
2015-10-28 06:07 <nebadon> i found it on the texture robust consoles
2015-10-28 06:07 <nebadon> some how the mesh cap was pointing at the texture servers
2015-10-28 06:07 <nebadon> it couldnt have possibly ever worked
2015-10-28 06:07 <nebadon> i dont understand
2015-10-28 06:07 <MarcusLlewellyn> justin made so many modifications. Some were good, some did nothing, prolly. And this one... oops.
2015-10-28 06:08 <MarcusLlewellyn> IMO, he was well into burn out territory last OSCC. :(
2015-10-28 06:10 <MarcusLlewellyn> Anyhoo, thanks neb. :)
2015-10-28 06:12 <nebadon> no problem, thank you
2015-10-28 06:12 <nebadon> let me know if you run into any other snafu
2015-10-28 06:50 <Gabriel__> hello all, i have a big problem  i have a lot of  Slow SynchronousRestObject request only with asset ( i'm use fsassets  but return on the old syst ( for me mariadb ) work wonderfull. any have ideas ?
2015-10-28 09:14 <osmantis> Bug #7732:04 on startup, default avatar assets can't be loaded...  (skin,shape,cloth) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7732 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-10-28 10:13 <lkalif> linkedinyou|2: Melanie_T was right, you never edit libomv's _Packets_.cs directly
2015-10-28 10:15 <lkalif> it's autogenerated using included mapgen.exe from message_template.msg (from the viewer)
2015-10-28 10:15 <lkalif> in opensim you just construct and send (or receive) them
2015-10-28 15:33 <linkedinyou> lkalif: Melanie_T yes i will do what Melanie_T said
2015-10-28 15:35 <linkedinyou> firestorm did not work for my grid will see what we had updated in opensim that conflict and make it crash
2015-10-28 15:36 <linkedinyou> Ubit:  did you manage to login with fs ,, other wise i will use alchemyviewer as it has decent updates
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2015-10-28 18:16 <Ubit> i only see issues with singu alpha,  fs singu release versions work fine
2015-10-28 18:16 <Ubit> where can't you login with FS linkedinyou ?
2015-10-28 18:19 <Ubit> ( fs does crash after a few tps with large regions )
2015-10-28 18:23 <djphil> Hi Ubit, you test FS and Singu now ?
2015-10-28 18:23 <Ubit> i use both .. for now just onmy test region at osg
2015-10-28 18:24 <djphil> There are some days I found a major bug with viewers
2015-10-28 18:24 <djphil> it crash all time ...
2015-10-28 18:24 <Ubit> Firestorm 4.7.3 (47323) Aug 18
2015-10-28 18:24 <djphil> and all viewers ...
2015-10-28 18:24 <djphil> you whant to try the bug i found ?
2015-10-28 18:25 <Ubit> Singularity Viewer (64 bit) 1.8.6 (6157) Feb 26
2015-10-28 18:25 <Ubit> this are the ones im using
2015-10-28 18:25 <djphil> i'm on 32bits system
2015-10-28 18:25 <djphil> Windows
2015-10-28 18:25 <Ubit> this are 64b versions
2015-10-28 18:26 <djphil> and do you whant to try the bug i found ?
2015-10-28 18:26 <Ubit> how do you crash them ?
2015-10-28 18:26 <djphil> because in the past i found a very similar bug
2015-10-28 18:26 <Ubit> ok lets crash viewers  .. tell how lol
2015-10-28 18:26 <djphil> and i alert immediatly Neb ... because is a dangerous bug
2015-10-28 18:27 <Ubit> errr
2015-10-28 18:27 <Ubit> ok tell me in private then
2015-10-28 18:27 <djphil> (because after ... you can't connect the viewer tio yout region ... because it crash immediatly ...
2015-10-28 18:27 <djphil> yep PV is better for that
2015-10-28 18:27 <Ubit> ok .. lets talk in private
2015-10-28 18:28 <Ubit> ( sorry ppl :) )
2015-10-28 19:06 <djphil> sorry²
2015-10-28 19:07 <djphil> heh Ubit +1, it found the bug :)
2015-10-28 19:08 <djphil> thank you for your Ubit careful ... now we can use this script in peace
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2015-10-28 21:30 <Ubit> errr thx djphil :)
2015-10-28 21:30 <Ubit> ufff i do really plan to put thx like this on the comits.. but always forget
2015-10-28 21:33 <Ubit> well writing them on a language lkalif understands...  i just don't care :p
2015-10-28 21:37 <lkalif> nobody understands what the heck you're writing
2015-10-28 21:39 <Ubit> ahh yr awake :p
2015-10-28 21:39 <Ubit> ok go to sleep again :p
2015-10-28 21:40 <lkalif> yr? are you 12 years old?
2015-10-28 21:56 <Gabriel__> hello any have ideas why i have a lot Slow SynchronousRestObject request  ... /Assets ...
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2015-10-29 17:47 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-rmzh0PI3c
2015-10-29 18:21 <Plugh> nebadon: Latest blender movie?
2015-10-29 18:23 <nebadon> yes
2015-10-29 18:23 <nebadon> very well done
2015-10-29 18:23 <Ubit> hector.. errr casper.. errr you.. :)
2015-10-29 18:30 <nebadon> lol
2015-10-29 18:32 <Plugh> That was different. :)
2015-10-29 18:36 <Plugh> There must be several Blender movies I haven't seen. I don't think I've seen one since the third(?).
2015-10-29 18:36 <Plugh> until now.
2015-10-29 18:36 <nebadon> the last one was Tears of Steel
2015-10-29 18:37 <nebadon> before that was Big Buck or Sintel
2015-10-29 18:37 <nebadon> i forget what was first sintel or big bug
2015-10-29 18:38 <Plugh> Big Buck was first, Sintel was third. Second I saw but it was weird.
2015-10-29 18:39 <nebadon> oh ya
2015-10-29 18:39 <nebadon> Elephants
2015-10-29 18:39 <nebadon> i forgot about that
2015-10-29 18:39 <nebadon> was #2
2015-10-29 18:40 <nebadon> Elephants Dream that is
2015-10-29 18:40 <nebadon> that one is really wierd
2015-10-29 18:42 <Plugh> yea, that was it.
2015-10-29 18:42 <Plugh> I can't find a list of Blender movies on the Blender website.
2015-10-29 18:43 <nebadon> maybe here some where
2015-10-29 18:43 <nebadon> https://cloud.blender.org/
2015-10-29 18:45 <Plugh> hm... Tears Of Steel. Perhaps that is the 4th? The Laundromant is 5th.
2015-10-29 18:46 <Plugh> Oh, right. I have seen that one.
2015-10-29 18:47 <Plugh> nebadon: ty. Found them all -> https://cloud.blender.org/open-project/
2015-10-29 18:47 <Plugh> Just saw Caminandes
2015-10-29 18:50 <nebadon> ya so Elephants was first and Big Buck second
2015-10-29 18:50 <nebadon> makes sense
2015-10-29 18:50 <nebadon> i recall there being a huge jump in quality and lighting
2015-10-29 18:50 <nebadon> different styles though too
2015-10-29 19:03 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-10-29 19:04 <Plugh> Nice job on the wool of the sheep.
2015-10-29 20:38 <osmantis> Bug #7733:04 Teleporting to regions with the same latest version of opensim causes hair to be behind avatar about 4 meters 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7733 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-10-29 21:38 <osmantis> Bug #7733:04 Teleporting to regions with the same latest version of opensim causes hair to be behind avatar about 4 meters 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7733 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-10-29 22:20 <osmantis> Bug #7733:04 Teleporting to regions with the same latest version of opensim causes hair to be behind avatar about 4 meters 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7733 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-10-29 22:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #4340 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-10-29 22:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix mantis 7733, reverting setting of IsAttachment on first call to full check. Replace instead same simple IsAttachment tests by full checks
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2015-10-30 00:10 <osmantis> Bug #7733:04 Teleporting to regions with the same latest version of opensim causes hair to be behind avatar about 4 meters 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7733 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-10-30 00:11 <osmantis> Bug #7733:04 Teleporting to regions with the same latest version of opensim causes hair to be behind avatar about 4 meters 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7733 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-10-30 00:17 <osmantis> Bug #7733:04 Teleporting to regions with the same latest version of opensim causes hair to be behind avatar about 4 meters 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7733 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-10-30 23:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #4341 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-10-30 23:20 <osjenkins> melanie: Testing stage of the new versioning system. Use at own risk. May not
2015-10-31 00:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #4342 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4340 1 day 1 hr ago)
2015-10-31 00:07 <Ubit> err failure ?
2015-10-31 00:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4342: STILL FAILING in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4342/
2015-10-31 00:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix teleport to to string version regions
2015-10-31 00:13 <Ubit> jenkins.. im running that code :p
2015-10-31 00:15 <Ubit> dahh tests...
2015-10-31 00:16 <Ubit> 
ACTION flips a coin .. shell fix tests.. shell i delete tests...

2015-10-31 00:17 <Ubit> damm coin...
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2015-10-31 00:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #4343 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4340 1 day 2 hr ago)
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2015-10-31 02:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #4344 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4340 1 day 3 hr ago)
2015-10-31 02:09 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-10-31 02:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4344: FIXED in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4344/
2015-10-31 02:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let silly tests override version on local connections
2015-10-31 11:21 <Gabriel_> Hello here, what is the best of config for run Fsassets for now i'm use mono 2.8.10 and centos
2015-10-31 13:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #4345 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
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2015-10-31 13:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: simplify new regions protocol version control. (May not work, and babies safety warnings still valid
2015-10-31 13:12 <osmantis> Bug #7734:04 Wrong parameters for a log4net message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7734 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-10-31 13:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #4346 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-10-31 13:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix mantis 7734, Thanks Garmin for the report
2015-10-31 15:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #4347 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-10-31 16:02 <osjenkins> melanie: Put back the option of having asymmetrical protocol versions in
2015-10-31 16:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #4348 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-10-31 16:27 <osjenkins> melanie: Remove testing cruft that is blocking the new protocols. Unit tests no
2015-10-31 17:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #4349 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-10-31 17:18 <osjenkins> melanie: Introduce an EntityTransferContext carrying the version numbers to pass
2015-10-31 19:29 <Plugh> What are _ap_# records for in Avatars table?
2015-10-31 19:44 <osmantis> Bug #7735:04 Region command "region set" typo… 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7735 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-10-31 21:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #4350 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-10-31 21:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix transfer protocol version in string format. Let that case have tests identical to new format (this still isnt for your babies keep them safe...)
2015-10-31 21:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #4351 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-10-31 22:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix internal support for non square regions
2015-10-31 22:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #4352 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-10-31 22:51 <osmantis> Bug #7735:04 Region command "region set" typo… 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7735 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-10-31 22:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4352: SUCCESS in 4 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4352/
2015-10-31 22:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix typo reported on mantis 7735
2015-10-31 23:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #4353 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-10-31 23:45 <osjenkins> * melanie: Revert "fix transfer protocol version in string format. These are not
2015-10-31 23:45 <osjenkins> * melanie: This is the replacement fix for large regions and string version.
2015-10-31 23:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #4354 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-10-31 23:59 <osjenkins> melanie: Remove an unneeded code path, it could never be reached. Ubit caught it
2015-11-01 00:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #4355 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4353 23 min ago)
2015-11-01 00:05 <Ubit> hmm ?
2015-11-01 00:05 <Ubit> what failure ?
2015-11-01 00:07 <Ubit> ahh the version :)
2015-11-01 00:08 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-11-01 00:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4355: FIXED in 4 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4355/
2015-11-01 00:08 <osjenkins> melanie: Minor: Add an initializer to show what the default value would be.
2015-11-01 00:08 <Ubit> not that minor :)
2015-11-01 00:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #4356 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2015-11-01 00:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4356: SUCCESS in 4 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4356/
2015-11-01 00:20 <osjenkins> melanie: Plumb the special VeriableWearablesSuported field which we will
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2015-11-01 01:10 <smxy> Melanie_T: I think you have a typo. I believe that should be VariableWearablesSupported.
2015-11-01 01:11 <smxy> Though you may have only made it in the commit message - I didn't look in the code.
2015-11-01 01:17 <nebadon> smxy i checked its just the commit message
2015-11-01 01:39 <smxy> nebadon: okay.
2015-11-01 03:52 <Ubit> oops
2015-11-01 03:56 <linkedinyou> war of codes?
2015-11-01 03:59 <Ubit> a merge...
2015-11-01 04:01 <Ubit> last master changes into avinationmerge
2015-11-01 04:01 <linkedinyou> avinationmerge war is the merge YAY 
2015-11-01 04:01 <linkedinyou> great new
2015-11-01 04:01 <Ubit> well now are both not recomended for babies :)
2015-11-01 04:02 <linkedinyou> hahahah
2015-11-01 04:02 <Ubit> it does compile and run... even a car moved on it :)
2015-11-01 04:03 <linkedinyou> how do i add ubode service there i want to test it with complex game i have
2015-11-01 04:03 <linkedinyou> what do i add in opensim.ini
2015-11-01 04:03 <Ubit> u need to use the branch avinationmerge 
2015-11-01 04:04 <linkedinyou> i did last time with you
2015-11-01 04:04 <Ubit> then on opensim.ini select it on the physics engines list
2015-11-01 04:04 <linkedinyou> but did not changes anything 
2015-11-01 04:04 <Ubit> and also the ubOdeMeshmerizer
2015-11-01 04:04 <linkedinyou> aha clear
2015-11-01 04:08 <Ubit> dont forget to change back to Meshmerizer when selecting other physics engine :)
2015-11-01 04:12 <linkedinyou> you mean Meshmerizer need to be change in Robust?
2015-11-01 04:12 <Ubit> no robust is grid services
2015-11-01 04:12 <linkedinyou> or for the same sim 
2015-11-01 04:12 <linkedinyou> ok
2015-11-01 04:13 <linkedinyou> i will use this sim only for ubode forever mate
2015-11-01 04:13 <Ubit> :)
2015-11-01 04:13 <linkedinyou> so will name it ubode
2015-11-01 04:14 <Ubit> teleports are now under testing
2015-11-01 04:14 <Ubit> last changes where on version control for them..
2015-11-01 04:14 <OtakuMegane_> Teleport bread. :3
2015-11-01 04:15 <linkedinyou> last week when i teleport from lbsa to my HG it work fine so i guess you have messy configurations guys
2015-11-01 04:15 <linkedinyou> even since 2 weeks
2015-11-01 04:15 <Ubit> well now we need to test all that :)
2015-11-01 04:16 <linkedinyou> i am sure it is not in code
2015-11-01 04:17 <Ubit> ooops i had 3 viewers open :)
2015-11-01 04:17 <Ubit> plus a 2km region
2015-11-01 04:17 <Ubit> pc kinda slow :)
2015-11-01 04:22 <linkedinyou> uisng ubode would i just type ubode small alphapitic and sam for ubOdeMeshmerizer
2015-11-01 05:00 <Ken_S> Is there anyone here that can ban someone on the opensim channel?
2015-11-01 05:00 <Ken_S> Someone is in a rant there off subject
2015-11-01 05:07 <Ken_S> Actually probably drunk and off subject.
2015-11-01 05:11 <OtakuMegane_> I kinda want to see how long he goes and where the topics go lol
2015-11-01 15:32 <Plugh> grr... some days I really hate git.
2015-11-01 15:33 <Plugh> I had notes on how to make a new local branch and checkout the code from a given branch but the commands no longer work.
2015-11-01 15:34 <Plugh> I have a copy of 0.8.1-post-fixes checked out. How do I create a local branch called 0.8.2-post-fixes and have it track the upstream 082PF branch?
2015-11-01 15:34 <Plugh> Using the command line.
2015-11-01 15:46 <Plugh> nm. Finally found a page that hold me how to do it. I've added the information to my git survivors guide.
2015-11-01 17:32 <diva> I see that we have the use of sqlite under an ifdef. Does anyone know which one we're actually using?
2015-11-01 17:32 <diva> #if CSharpSqlite
2015-11-01 17:32 <diva>     using Community.CsharpSqlite.Sqlite;
2015-11-01 17:32 <diva> #else
2015-11-01 17:32 <diva>     using Mono.Data.Sqlite;
2015-11-01 17:32 <diva> #endif
2015-11-01 17:33 <diva> I can't even find Community.CsharpSqlite.Sqlite. Is that a .net library?
2015-11-01 17:35 <diva> wth there's a sqlite in .net too? Why are we using other libraries for it?
2015-11-01 17:36 <diva> hmm there isn't
2015-11-01 18:09 <diva> I'm really confused with our use of sqlite. What's the difference between Mono.Data.Sqlite.dll and Mono.Data.SqliteClient.dll?
2015-11-01 18:24 <nebadon> i remember there being wierdness with sqlite cross platform
2015-11-01 18:24 <nebadon> especially on mac
2015-11-01 18:24 <nebadon> it didnt work for a long time until justin did some wierd stuff
2015-11-01 18:24 <nebadon> no idea if that is why, but that is all i can really remember
2015-11-01 18:24 <nebadon> that sqlite was not good for a while
2015-11-01 18:26 <diva> it looks like Mono's first version of it was Data.SqliteClient, and then later on they moved to Data.Sqlite. Some parts of opensim still use the old one :/
2015-11-01 18:26 <nebadon> maybe because of reliance on older mono?
2015-11-01 18:26 <nebadon> when is the line in the sand?
2015-11-01 18:26 <nebadon> what version?
2015-11-01 18:27 <nebadon> wasnt all that long ago we were still using mono 2.4 as our minimum requirement
2015-11-01 18:27 <nebadon> that is seriously aincent
2015-11-01 18:28 <diva> yes, it's very old
2015-11-01 18:29 <osmantis> Bug #7736:04 enabling groups leads to crash looking for 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7736 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-01 18:35 <nebadon> yea mono 2.4 i think is as old or possibly even older than opensim is
2015-11-01 18:36 <nebadon> ah ya its not that old we were using mono 1.2 actually at start of project
2015-11-01 18:36 <nebadon> 2.4 is March 2009
2015-11-01 18:38 <nebadon> we had some more issues like that too coming up fast diva
2015-11-01 18:38 <nebadon> unit tests on newer mono
2015-11-01 18:38 <nebadon> nant stops working on like mono 3.x something
2015-11-01 18:38 <nebadon> and nant is no longer maintained
2015-11-01 18:38 <OtakuMegane_> Haven't used nant in a couple years now.
2015-11-01 18:39 <nebadon> at some point we need to figure out how to get unit tests to run on xbuild/msbuild
2015-11-01 18:39 <nebadon> or we loose all unit tests
2015-11-01 18:39 <nebadon> or we stay stuck on mono 2.10 forever
2015-11-01 19:35 <Melanie_T> nebadon: in what way does nant stop working?
2015-11-01 19:39 <nebadon> because nant looks for nunit-console.exe
2015-11-01 19:39 <nebadon> but newer mono changed it to nunit-console2.exe
2015-11-01 19:39 <nebadon> so nant fails
2015-11-01 19:39 <nebadon> so unless we take over maintaining and fix nant
2015-11-01 19:40 <nebadon> I think would be better to make xbuild/msbuild run unit tests
2015-11-01 19:40 <nebadon> if that is possible
2015-11-01 19:40 <nebadon> then you could do it on windows as well
2015-11-01 19:40 <Melanie_T> the outpt from xbuild is ugly
2015-11-01 19:40 <nebadon> ya i never got that far
2015-11-01 19:40 <Melanie_T> with nant a simple "| grep ERROR" allows me to reduce output to the important
2015-11-01 19:40 <Melanie_T> xbuild doesn't tag all lines of error reports
2015-11-01 19:41 <Melanie_T> and since it doesn't necesaarily stop on errors, but continues to build targets that don't depend on the errored one
2015-11-01 19:41 <Melanie_T> it's very hard to work with it
2015-11-01 19:41 <Melanie_T> because the error that causes the actual failure is in a bunch of build messages
2015-11-01 19:41 <Melanie_T> somewhere in the middle
2015-11-01 19:41 <Melanie_T> those who don't use an IDE depend on nant
2015-11-01 19:43 <lkalif> nant is dead, accept it
2015-11-01 19:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #4357 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-01 19:46 <Melanie_T> nant supports nunit2
2015-11-01 19:46 <Melanie_T> http://nant.sourceforge.net/release/0.92/help/tasks/nunit2.html
2015-11-01 19:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4357: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4357/
2015-11-01 19:51 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Don't crash the sim if the map image is null.
2015-11-01 19:53 <nebadon> well whatever the solution, we eventually need one
2015-11-01 19:53 <nebadon> as always use what works best
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2015-11-02 20:12 <osmantis> Bug #7725:04 Current Outfit folder and Current Appearance Issues (Firestorm) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7725 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-02 21:14 <osmantis> Bug #7493:04 the currently existing terrain layer data code can generate packets larger than MTU 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7493 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-02 22:13 <osmantis> Bug #7736:04 enabling groups leads to crash looking for 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7736 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-02 22:16 <osmantis> Bug #7736:04 enabling groups leads to crash looking for 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7736 ): has been UPDATED.
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2015-11-03 14:49 <osmantis> Bug #7405:04 Unable to HGTP home to a self-hosted region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7405 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-03 14:50 <Ubit> yesyes i know :p
2015-11-03 15:00 <osmantis> Bug #7405:04 Unable to HGTP home to a self-hosted region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7405 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-03 15:22 <osmantis> Bug #7405:04 Unable to HGTP home to a self-hosted region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7405 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-03 18:12 <AliciaRaven> nebadon is there a meeting today?
2015-11-03 18:23 <Plugh> oh, nuts. I was going to take the cat for a walk once my lunch settled.
2015-11-03 18:24 <AliciaRaven> Plugh do u know if there is a meeting today? only 4 peeps in wright plaza, wondering if we spaced on daylight savings lol
2015-11-03 18:25 <Plugh> Should be at same time as usual. About a half hour from now, AFAIK.
2015-11-03 18:27 <AliciaRaven> wiki says meetings are at 1800 UTC, which was 20 mins ago
2015-11-03 18:27 <AliciaRaven> but 11 PST which is in an hour, confused lol
2015-11-03 18:29 <Plugh> yea, the time change always makes for some confusion. I think it is always at 11am in-world game time. When the clocks change you have to figure out if that means earlier or later than you've been used to for a week or so.
2015-11-03 18:31 <AliciaRaven> k thanks :)
2015-11-03 18:32 <Plugh> yw
2015-11-03 18:37 <nebadon> hey ya meeting wasnt for 20 minutes according to my clock
2015-11-03 18:37 <nebadon> Nov 1 was DST 
2015-11-03 18:37 <AliciaRaven> wiki UTC is only correct in summer then lol
2015-11-03 18:39 <nebadon> hmm yea the whole time thing is a mess
2015-11-03 18:39 <nebadon> doesnt matter what we do everyone is confused
2015-11-03 18:42 <Plugh> Can't you just say 11am inworld time? People can always login and check that time. Seems the simplest way to specify when.
2015-11-03 18:45 <nebadon> not necesariily
2015-11-03 18:45 <nebadon> cause HG people may show different times
2015-11-03 18:46 <Plugh> ? 
2015-11-03 18:46 <Plugh> HG people don't see the same time as I would when I log in directly to osgrid?
2015-11-03 18:46 <nebadon> not all grid time is PST
2015-11-03 18:47 <nebadon> that is dependant on the robust server
2015-11-03 18:47 <Plugh> So the viewer is not showing the machines time but their local time?
2015-11-03 18:47 <nebadon> it shows the grid time
2015-11-03 18:47 <nebadon> so osgrid users would be good
2015-11-03 18:47 <nebadon> but a grid in EU might not
2015-11-03 18:47 <AliciaRaven> only if they change the ini, there is a UTC offset, default is -8 i think
2015-11-03 18:47 <nebadon> ya
2015-11-03 18:47 <Plugh> yea, but if someone TP's in from anywhere in the world it should the viewer should show them the osgrid time.
2015-11-03 18:47 <nebadon> there is not way for us to gaurantee it 
2015-11-03 18:47 <nebadon> maybe
2015-11-03 18:48 <nebadon> some viewers shot UTC always too
2015-11-03 18:48 <Plugh> If it doesn't, then we can't use the grid time as the reference for the meeting.
2015-11-03 18:48 <nebadon> its so freakin confusing
2015-11-03 18:48 <nebadon> shot-show
2015-11-03 18:48 <Plugh> Also, using UTC time doesn't help. That never changes. GMT time does, IIRC.
2015-11-03 18:49 <nebadon> yea luckily we only deal wiht it for a few weeks a year
2015-11-03 18:49 <Melanie_T> nebadon: the viewer always uses the system's local clock and timezone data to figure out what PST is and shows that
2015-11-03 18:49 <nebadon> most of the time its not a problem, just the switch over times
2015-11-03 18:49 <nebadon> if EU and US changed at same time we would never talk about this
2015-11-03 18:49 <Melanie_T> therefore, all grids must be PST because it's hardcoded in the viewer
2015-11-03 18:49 <Melanie_T> grids can set a different grid time
2015-11-03 18:49 <nebadon> maybe i remember a time when that was not true
2015-11-03 18:49 <Melanie_T> but then time stamps on IM will not match the viewer title bar
2015-11-03 18:49 <nebadon> ya i know ive been in grids that were not PST
2015-11-03 18:50 <Melanie_T> but you will see time displays inconsistently in such grids
2015-11-03 18:50 <Melanie_T> with some times in PST and others in grid time
2015-11-03 18:50 <nebadon> right
2015-11-03 18:50 <nebadon> its confusing
2015-11-03 18:50 <nebadon> time on OpenSimulator isnt consistent
2015-11-03 18:50 <Melanie_T> at least for a commecial offering that isn't acceptable
2015-11-03 18:50 <Plugh> Hm.. it would be easy. You can say it is at 1800UTC from start date to end date, and 1700UTC(?) from end date to start date.
2015-11-03 18:50 <Melanie_T> which means anyone in any way serious has to be on PST
2015-11-03 18:53 <AliciaRaven> seems abit crazy to have the ini option if the viewer ignores it and just causes the grid to appear out of sync
2015-11-03 18:56 <OtakuMegane> Really needs to be UTC default. No matter what you choose, the majority of users are going to have to convert from the chosen timezone to their own. At least UTC is pretty easy to figure out or look up.
2015-11-03 18:56 <OtakuMegane> Trying to convert from PST to EDT...or is it PDT now..or wtf. ><
2015-11-03 18:56 <OtakuMegane> Yeah no. That's not good.
2015-11-03 18:58 <Plugh> If you want to use UTC you have to specify the two different UTC times for the meeting based on start and end dates for that UTC time.
2015-11-03 18:59 <Plugh> hm... no, perhaps we just need to provide the dates when the clocks change in the US.
2015-11-03 19:01 <OtakuMegane> UTC never changes, that's why they added it. When using UTC, you specify whatever the UTC time of the meeting is and that's that. It's up to everyone else to figure out the offset for their location.
2015-11-03 19:01 <nebadon> problem is no one can
2015-11-03 19:02 <OtakuMegane> Google
2015-11-03 19:02 <OtakuMegane> :P
2015-11-03 19:02 <AliciaRaven> https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=UTC+time
2015-11-03 19:02 <OtakuMegane> Actually there's probably apps and stuff for that too.
2015-11-03 19:02 <AliciaRaven> says current time at top of google page lol
2015-11-03 19:03 <OtakuMegane> Or look up your timezone on Wikipedia, it gives the offset there.
2015-11-03 19:04 <OtakuMegane> Regardless of staying on PDT or changing to UTC, all the users will still have to convert timezones for themselves. UTC is a lot simpler as a base than an arbitrary timezone LL chose over a decade ago.
2015-11-03 20:21 <osmantis> Bug #7735:04 Region command "region set" typo… 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7735 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-11-03 20:21 <osmantis> Bug #7735:04 Region command "region set" typo… 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7735 ): has been CLOSED
2015-11-03 20:23 <osmantis> Bug #7734:04 Wrong parameters for a log4net message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7734 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-11-03 20:23 <osmantis> Bug #7734:04 Wrong parameters for a log4net message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7734 ): has been CLOSED
2015-11-03 21:52 <linkedinyou> libomv is crazy i can not go any farther if i did not understand how to add there :) me again
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2015-11-04 17:18 <Plugh> Where is the list of OSSL functions in the OS wiki page? I can't find it today.
2015-11-04 17:19 <Plugh> sheesh! Finally found it. What a pain that was.
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2015-11-06 18:42 <lkalif> anyone knows how the mechanism for including module prebuild.xmls is implemented?
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2015-11-07 20:42 <vegaslon> Is their any place opensim is notifying the client that a attachment is not serialized when hypergridding? so that the client knows it is detached and does not show it anymore to the current user
2015-11-07 21:43 <Ubit> not serialized?  you mean denied to teleport with the avatar ?
2015-11-07 21:47 <vegaslon> well the general problem trying to figure out is that when you attach something with llAttachToAgentTemp and then you hypergrid you can not detach it and any scripts are gone inside of it like the hypergriding stripped it out of your attachments but did not tell your client about it
2015-11-07 21:47 <vegaslon> only way to remove it is to restart the client
2015-11-07 21:48 <Ubit> ohh yeap possibel a object kill is missing somewhere
2015-11-07 21:49 <vegaslon> was just looking for an example of where to check for a detach it before you start you agent teleport
2015-11-07 21:52 <Ubit> hmm never looked to that :)
2015-11-07 21:57 <vegaslon> just want to be able to attach stuff temporary and not force hypergrid users to have to restart their clients if they forget to detach it before they go
2015-11-07 21:57 <Ubit> well get naked before tp :p
2015-11-07 22:27 <Plugh> Is there a way to access the Top Scripts number for a region via an inworld script other than by writing a region module?
2015-11-07 22:27 <Plugh> s/number/numbers/
2015-11-07 22:28 <Ubit> or a ossl/cm function?
2015-11-07 22:31 <Plugh> cm function?
2015-11-07 22:31 <Ubit> yeap
2015-11-07 22:31 <Plugh> ossl function would be fine
2015-11-07 22:31 <Plugh> I don't know anything about cm functions.
2015-11-07 22:31 <Ubit> aviation lsl extentions now included
2015-11-07 22:31 <Ubit> avination...
2015-11-07 22:32 <Plugh> As of which version of OS?
2015-11-07 22:32 <Ubit> avnmerge
2015-11-07 22:32 <Plugh> ok. I'm currently thinking for code in the range 0.8.0 through 0.8.2?
2015-11-07 22:33 <Ubit> man new code for that now ?
2015-11-07 22:33 <Ubit> well cm functions could me renamed ossl
2015-11-07 22:34 <Ubit> but since avination scripts can also be ported to other grids, better keep the name
2015-11-07 22:35 <Plugh> Need a new wiki page to document cm functions
2015-11-07 22:35 <Plugh> um... I don't quite get what you meant by -> man new code for that now ?
2015-11-07 22:36 <Ubit> adding new code for old versions
2015-11-07 22:37 <Ubit> well only 2 cm functions lol
2015-11-07 22:38 <Ubit> cmDetectedCountry(int number)
2015-11-07 22:38 <Ubit> cmGetAgentCountry(LSL_Key key)
2015-11-07 22:38 <Ubit> :)
2015-11-07 22:40 <Ubit> hmm didn't see any thing about top script
2015-11-07 22:40 <Ubit> btw top scritps works at 0.8.2 ?
2015-11-07 22:41 <Ubit> hmm oren work on that was in .2 ?
2015-11-07 22:44 <Ubit> well top scripts access is restricted..  if added should be at ossl
2015-11-07 22:44 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-11-07 22:44 <Plugh> Its something that would be handy for land owners so they can see when they have scripts with very high runtimes messing up their regions.
2015-11-07 22:45 <Plugh> The information isn't always available from the viewer. 
2015-11-07 22:45 <Ubit> you want to put estate managers out of business? :)
2015-11-07 22:45 <Plugh> :)
2015-11-07 22:46 <Ubit> that was their job :)
2015-11-07 22:46 <Plugh> Just trying to find ways to make their lives easier.
2015-11-07 22:47 <Ubit> well not sure..   scripts list is restricted to region owners and estate managers, not land owners
2015-11-07 22:48 <Ubit> ( and gods   xii  :) )
2015-11-07 23:45 <Plugh> Ubit: True. The idea is to be able to have a device that can be given to someone who is renting some land so they can see when that script (from SL, for e.g.) is hitting the region hard and that is why they are getting a ton of lag.
2015-11-07 23:47 <Plugh> If it could be available via a script a region owner could have a central board with the script stats available so they could see if a region they manage is having a problem with a bad script.
2015-11-07 23:48 <Ubit> ok
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2015-11-08 01:58 <Ubit> well also reduced overall world drag ..  details :)
2015-11-08 01:58 <Ubit> grr why did ll made targetomega also physical..
2015-11-08 01:59 <Ubit> curretly  with ubOde  targetOmega  will stop under general angular drag
2015-11-08 02:00 <Ubit> and rotation is around center of mass, no matter if called from root prim or child prim
2015-11-08 02:00 <Ubit> i mean physical target omega
2015-11-08 02:02 <Ubit> this last part is unlikely to change, since parts will not have dinamic bodies representation, only linksets
2015-11-08 02:02 <Ubit> multi bodies objects will need to wait to reintrodution of physical Joints
2015-11-08 12:37 <osmantis> Bug #7732:04 on startup, default avatar assets can't be loaded...  (skin,shape,cloth) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7732 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-08 12:43 <osmantis> Bug #7737:04 region table not being created on first run... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7737 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2015-11-09 15:35 <Ubit> Ooops
2015-11-09 17:06 <Plugh> What is the "lag meter" referenced in recent emails to opensim-dev?
2015-11-09 17:08 <AliciaRaven> Plugh, its probably the bar in the top right corner of the viewer showing red or green indicators for fps, network and server load
2015-11-09 17:08 <Plugh> Ah, ok.
2015-11-09 17:08 <Plugh> I can't say I often take any notice of those bars in the corner of the screen.
2015-11-09 17:09 <AliciaRaven> yea they arnt very reliable, better to use stats window
2015-11-09 17:10 <Plugh> A lot of people have been focused on viewer reaction to change in stats reporting. I haven't seen anyone expressing any concern of how change in script stats is going to be received.
2015-11-09 17:10 <Plugh> yea. If I feel a region is laggy I open that dialog box with all the stats in it (ctrl-alt-1?)
2015-11-09 17:11 <AliciaRaven> not sure how the stats have changed myself, been abit busy so i havnt been keeping up with new stuff like i usualy do
2015-11-09 17:14 <Plugh> Some script activity wasn't being tracked before but it will be now. IIRC, it was time spent in some event handling that is included. I'd have to look at past messages to find out exactly what.
2015-11-09 17:15 <Plugh> What it means, AFAIK, is that script runtime numbers will change, probably upwards. People will have to get used to the changed numbers and determine what constitutes a bad script based on the new numbers.
2015-11-09 17:16 <AliciaRaven> interesting, good thing to be more acurate i think
2015-11-09 17:16 <Plugh> yes.
2015-11-09 17:17 <Plugh> It was probably Ubit that made the change but I might be wrong. A bad script was found. It wasn't showing up as a bad on based on the top scripts numbers. The script was spending a lot of time in some activity that wasn't being included in the script runtime. That is what lead to making a change in how script time is tracked.
2015-11-09 17:18 <Plugh> s/bad on/bad one/
2015-11-09 18:42 <Ubit> there is a lag-meter on some viewers menus
2015-11-09 18:43 <Ubit> fs  Advanced -> performance Tools 
2015-11-09 18:44 <Ubit> guess similar place on others since was done by ll
2015-11-09 18:44 <Ubit> errr or not ?
2015-11-09 18:47 <Ubit> think orenh did improvents of scripts stats ask him details Plugh
2015-11-09 18:47 <Ubit> think they are on 8.2
2015-11-09 18:47 <AliciaRaven2> Ubit, thats the same lag meter, fs double click the bars in the top right corner next to volume will open that
2015-11-09 18:48 <Ubit> ohh yeap it does ty :)
2015-11-09 18:48 <Ubit> i usually have the stats open, so dont use that
2015-11-09 18:49 <AliciaRaven2> yep, i never use lag meter since finding the full stats, have them as a button on side bar now
2015-11-09 18:50 <Ubit> on those mails, i did ignore aspects relative to "frame wars" etc..  i whould be a pure waste of my time, on a open source enviroment
2015-11-09 18:51 <Ubit> (.. it whould be.. )
2015-11-09 18:55 <Ubit> outch so many mails to read
2015-11-09 19:10 <Plugh> Ubit, you may be right. I didn't remember who made the script stats changes.
2015-11-09 19:10 <Ubit> i know  i messed their report :p
2015-11-09 19:10 <Ubit> ( hope back again )
2015-11-09 19:11 <AliciaRaven2> orenh has made recent changes to script stats
2015-11-09 19:13 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-11-09 19:13 <Melanie_T> and i reworked them a little
2015-11-09 19:13 <Melanie_T> because the things he did changed frozen interfaces and were XEngine specific
2015-11-09 19:13 <Ubit> yeap u made them more xengine friendly
2015-11-09 19:13 <Melanie_T> but not in XEngine but in the API
2015-11-09 19:13 <Melanie_T> the API needs to remain generic
2015-11-09 19:13 <Ubit> err or that ;)
2015-11-09 19:14 <Melanie_T> else projects like the new script compiler would possibly have problems
2015-11-09 19:14 <Melanie_T> i don't know yet if the new compiler's code generator generates the calls for cooperative script termination
2015-11-09 19:14 <Melanie_T> but it's a discussion I wanted to start anyway
2015-11-09 19:14 <Melanie_T> inclusion of the new compiler in core
2015-11-09 19:14 <Melanie_T> and making it the default
2015-11-09 19:15 <Melanie_T> IIRC it _is_ BSD licensed
2015-11-09 19:15 <AliciaRaven2> new compiler?
2015-11-09 19:16 <Ubit> i didn't follow much that mail thread.. it is ready to be the default one ?
2015-11-09 19:16 <Melanie_T> it may be
2015-11-09 19:16 <Melanie_T> needs testing and also probably some rework just to integrate into the current file structure
2015-11-09 19:17 <Melanie_T> nothing major, mind you
2015-11-09 19:17 <AliciaRaven2> 
ACTION needs to check her emails lol

2015-11-09 19:17 <Melanie_T> and if it generates the hooking calls, then XEngine can run it in both coop and preemptive mode
2015-11-09 19:28 <jakdaniels_> it does allow for running in co-op termination mode with Xengine and it inserts calls for it in the code - if I read all the notes correctly....
2015-11-09 19:31 <Ubit> yeap seems something like that,  calls are added to check if the script needs to terminate .
2015-11-09 19:32 <Ubit> avoiding having to kill its thread the hard way
2015-11-09 19:35 <jakdaniels_> there is a good LSL editor with LSL syntax highlighting from Eric here: https://github.com/EriHoss/LibLSLCC/releases that lets you see what C# code it produces under different scenarios - opensim client/server co-op/pre. Editor only for windows though... 
2015-11-09 19:38 <Ubit> that usues the same compiler ?
2015-11-09 19:38 <jakdaniels_> yes same library LibLSLCC
2015-11-09 19:39 <Ubit> then at least is a nice tool to debug it :)
2015-11-09 19:39 <Ubit> btw we can see the C# code current compiler generates.. there is a option for it
2015-11-09 19:39 <jakdaniels_> it would be so cool if you could launch it out of the viewer for writing scripts inworld. It has syntax highlighting and auto completion
2015-11-09 19:40 <Ubit> no no not really
2015-11-09 19:40 <Ubit> errr 
2015-11-09 19:40 <jakdaniels_> I've always hated the inworld script editor
2015-11-09 19:40 <Ubit> i mean inject something like c# code
2015-11-09 19:41 <Ubit> yeap the viewers one is not that nice
2015-11-09 22:11 <Plugh> Stupid darn, Firestorm viewer. It defaults to a limit of 22 groups! WTF?? SL used to have a limit of 25 until they upped it to 50. I wasn't able to add a group I needed to add earlier today.
2015-11-09 22:12 <Ubit> came on.. leave that one you joined because of a pretty girl...
2015-11-09 22:13 <Ubit> see you have 20 free groups now...
2015-11-09 22:13 <Ubit> :p
2015-11-09 22:15 <Ubit> ( leave that one i meant leave those ones.. )
2015-11-09 22:38 <Plugh> :)
2015-11-09 22:39 <Plugh> Sing tells me how many groups I've joined, how many remaining out of how many I'm allowed to join. FS only shows me how many I'm in.
2015-11-09 22:40 <Ubit> ohh my says remaining
2015-11-09 22:40 <Plugh> Mine is just saying "You belong to 22 groups."
2015-11-09 22:40 <Ubit> "you belong to 21 groups (39 remaining)  on my FS at osg now
2015-11-09 22:40 <Plugh> I tried to add #23 and it wouldn't let me.
2015-11-09 22:41 <Plugh> Perhaps there is a newer version of FS I don't have.
2015-11-09 22:41 <Ubit> Firestorm 4.7.3 (47323) Aug 18 2015 03:46:39
2015-11-09 22:41 <Plugh> yea, I'm on 4.7.3 (47323) Aug 17 2015 18:14:04. I haven't updated in a while.
2015-11-09 22:41 <Ubit> ahhh  a lot older yours
2015-11-09 22:41 <Ubit> :)
2015-11-09 22:42 <Plugh> A lot? :)
2015-11-09 22:42 <Ubit> :))
2015-11-09 22:42 <Plugh> Same version and build # though.
2015-11-09 22:42 <Ubit> yeap
2015-11-09 22:42 <Plugh> Where do you see the # you can still join and the max?
2015-11-09 22:43 <Ubit> seems mine has 50 as limit
2015-11-09 22:43 <Plugh> I just opened Groups from the pie menu from clicking my avatar.
2015-11-09 22:43 <Ubit> ( no no  im not going to look for 39 prety girls with groups at osg )
2015-11-09 22:43 <Ubit> so did i
2015-11-09 22:44 <Plugh> You running a Windows version? My Linux one doesn't show that.
2015-11-09 22:44 <Ubit> yeap win and 64b version
2015-11-09 22:44 <Plugh> Ok. Difference between windows and linux version then. Odd.
2015-11-09 22:45 <Ubit> yeap
2015-11-09 22:45 <Plugh> You would think that would be the same between the two.
2015-11-09 22:45 <Ubit> yrs is 32b ?
2015-11-09 22:45 <Plugh> No, 64 bit -> (Firestorm-Releasex64)
2015-11-09 22:46 <Ubit> oops
2015-11-09 22:46 <Ubit> yeap odd
2015-11-09 22:47 <Plugh> I used to modify the OS code to add extra info to the Login response packet. Between 069 and 0.7(?) where that seemed to have changed.
2015-11-09 22:48 <Plugh> It would be nice to have a way to set the limit in an ini file and have the limit get sent to the viewer during login.
2015-11-09 22:48 <Plugh> Something like GroupsLimit = #
2015-11-09 22:49 <Ubit> and viewers read that ?
2015-11-09 22:49 <Plugh> If the setting is sent as part of the Login Response packet.
2015-11-09 22:50 <Plugh> At least, they used to, AFAIK. I was using a viewer that default to 25 groups and had it showing 50 by sending the 50 limit in the login response data.
2015-11-09 22:51 <Plugh> This was, of course, an undocumented feature.
2015-11-09 22:52 <Ubit> err i did login in on avnmerge
2015-11-09 22:52 <Plugh> I may not have the patch around any more.
2015-11-09 22:52 <Ubit> let relog at lbsa
2015-11-09 22:53 <Ubit> nopes same 39 remaining
2015-11-09 22:53 <Ubit> u tested master code ?
2015-11-09 22:54 <Ubit> ( just log at osg lbsa and look )
2015-11-09 22:54 <Plugh> Ah. Think I found it in libOMV -> MaxAgentGroups in LoginResponseData struct found in OpenMetaverse/Login.cs
2015-11-09 22:54 <Ubit> ok log at lbsa and check :)
2015-11-09 22:54 <Plugh> It is in the section after the comment -> // These aren't currently being utilized by the library
2015-11-09 22:55 <Plugh> It won't help. My copy of FS won't tell me my group limit.
2015-11-09 22:55 <Ubit> mine does...  why ?
2015-11-09 22:55 <Plugh> why does it seem to have a default limit of 22? I don't know but it does.
2015-11-09 22:56 <Plugh> Maybe the limit is less than 22 so I'm just over what ever the limit is.
2015-11-09 22:56 <Ubit> ok i see LLloginService using that
2015-11-09 22:56 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-11-09 22:56 <Ubit> so don't be lasy log at lbsa to check :)
2015-11-09 22:56 <Plugh> I used to hack the code to send out the currency symbol and group limit and a couple other things.
2015-11-09 22:57 <Plugh> A programmer be lazy? never. :)
2015-11-09 22:57 <Ubit> Ohh that means im not a programmer?
2015-11-09 22:57 <Ubit> oops :)
2015-11-09 22:57 <Plugh> :D
2015-11-09 22:58 <Plugh> Had to check spelling. I usually only log in to Wright Plaza
2015-11-09 22:58 <Ubit> that will fo i guess
2015-11-09 22:58 <Ubit> same version i think
2015-11-09 22:58 <Plugh> Oh, cool. Now FS is telling me my limits.
2015-11-09 22:58 <Ubit> ok so 8.3 grid does send that
2015-11-09 22:58 <Plugh> wtf? Why didn't it do that in the other grid I logged in to??
2015-11-09 22:59 <Ubit> grid services version ?
2015-11-09 22:59 <Plugh> Where is 0.8.3 getting the value to send?
2015-11-09 22:59 <Ubit> config
2015-11-09 22:59 <Ubit> let me check
2015-11-09 22:59 <Ubit> m_MaxAgentGroups = groupConfig.GetInt("MaxAgentGroups", 42);
2015-11-09 22:59 <Ubit> errr why do i have 42?
2015-11-09 23:00 <OtakuMegane> Because life the universe and everything
2015-11-09 23:00 <Plugh> brb...
2015-11-09 23:00 <Ubit> :)
2015-11-09 23:02 <Plugh> I'm back.
2015-11-09 23:02 <Plugh> yea, I've heard about viewers changing the limit from 50 to 42. Don't know why.
2015-11-09 23:03 <OtakuMegane> Ok, that seems...odd.
2015-11-09 23:03 <Ubit> hmm looking to robust.ini is mb a better ideia than opensim..  grrr
2015-11-09 23:04 <Ubit>     ; MaxAgentGroups = 42
2015-11-09 23:04 <Ubit> hmm
2015-11-09 23:05 <Ubit> master also has 42.. guess osg updated to 50
2015-11-09 23:05 <OtakuMegane> There might be some actual reason (though I've never encountered such a case) but 42 in programming is usually just a placeholder or similar.
2015-11-09 23:06 <Ubit> yeap you can override in Robust.ini
2015-11-09 23:06 <OtakuMegane> Make it 9001 :3
2015-11-09 23:06 <Ubit> :)
2015-11-09 23:07 <OtakuMegane> Was there ever a technical reason for the original group limits way back in SL and such?
2015-11-09 23:07 <Ubit> yeap
2015-11-09 23:07 <Ubit> groups is heavy thing
2015-11-09 23:07 <Ubit> chats etc etc
2015-11-09 23:07 <Ubit> well like a irc channel
2015-11-09 23:08 <OtakuMegane> Ah, had forgotten that. Good point.
2015-11-09 23:12 <Plugh> Oh, right. Its a Robust setting. 
2015-11-09 23:13 <Plugh> Hm... that setting isn't in 0.8.0
2015-11-09 23:13 <Ubit> yeap i also went see opensim.. before getting a bit more clever :)
2015-11-09 23:15 <Plugh> hm... I wonder if I add the setting in 0.8.0 or 0.8.1 whether it would be used.
2015-11-09 23:15 <Ubit> check on file C:\Avination\testsim\OpenSim\Services\LLLoginService\LLLoginService.cs
2015-11-09 23:16 <Ubit> well better change the Avination testsim etc parts :)
2015-11-09 23:19 <Plugh> That file reads the setting
2015-11-09 23:19 <osmantis> Bug #7737:04 region table not being created on first run... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7737 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-09 23:20 -!- IgorVorotiloff(~GuyCharle@unaffiliated/igorvorotiloff) has left #opensim-dev
2015-11-09 23:20 <Plugh> and it does include it in the response packet.
2015-11-09 23:20 <Plugh> Ah, right. Classified Fee was the other thing I used to include in a modified response packet.
2015-11-09 23:22 <Plugh> hm... 0.8.0 doesn't pass along the piece of information.
2015-11-09 23:22 <Plugh> for group limit
2015-11-09 23:24 <Plugh> Found the recent commit -> f218cbd2
2015-11-09 23:25 <Plugh> I'm going to cherry pick that change.
2015-11-09 23:26 <Plugh> I still wonder why the limit was changed to 42 as the default.
2015-11-09 23:26 <Ubit> mb sl used that
2015-11-09 23:28 <Plugh> yea, its the new SL limit. They went from 25 to 50 then to 42.
2015-11-09 23:28 <Melanie_T> because it's The Answer
2015-11-09 23:28 <Plugh> Right. 
2015-11-09 23:28 <OtakuMegane> lol
2015-11-09 23:28 <Plugh> :)
2015-11-09 23:28 <Ubit> :)
2015-11-09 23:30 <Plugh> hm... How do I save a patch file if I have the hash number?
2015-11-09 23:35 <Melanie_T> Plugh: git show <hash>
2015-11-09 23:35 <Melanie_T> then remove the headings
2015-11-09 23:40 <Plugh> Easy when you know how. :) ty
2015-11-09 23:41 <Plugh> bbl. Dinner is ready.
2015-11-09 23:44 <Ubit> xii and you don't invite us to dinner?
2015-11-10 00:09 <Plugh> :)
2015-11-10 05:35 <osmantis> Bug #7737:04 region table not being created on first run... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7737 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-11-10 15:21 <Ubit> ohh well someone told me about limits on llDialog, i didn't remove those and added more ...
2015-11-10 15:21 <Ubit> sorry "someone" :)
2015-11-10 15:39 <Melanie_T> are you sure that SL actually truncates to that limit?
2015-11-10 15:39 <Melanie_T> i believe it is significantly more
2015-11-10 15:39 <Melanie_T> better to experimentally determine the actual limits
2015-11-10 15:39 <Ubit> its 512 bytes
2015-11-10 15:40 <Ubit> and acording to wiki doesnt even truncate  but fails 
2015-11-10 15:40 <Ubit> with error
2015-11-10 15:40 <Ubit> the 512 is udp... 
2015-11-10 15:40 <Ubit> the all thing needs to fit on a mtu
2015-11-10 15:41 <Ubit> 12 buttons.. 24 utf8 chars.. + message...   a lot
2015-11-10 15:44 <Ubit> "message must be fewer than 512 bytes in length and be not empty."
2015-11-10 15:44 <Ubit> "If the message length is greater than or equal to 512 bytes, it shouts (again on the debug channel): "llDialog: message too long, must be less than 512 characters"; in both instances, the dialog box will not be created for avatar. "
2015-11-10 15:44 <Ubit> from wiki..
2015-11-10 15:45 <Ubit> ohh damm
2015-11-10 15:45 <Ubit> buttons text is also 24 bytes not chars
2015-11-10 15:45 <Ken_S> That sucks
2015-11-10 15:45 <Ubit> "In other words, a button's text when encoded as UTF-8 cannot be longer than 24 bytes or a empty string. "
2015-11-10 15:46 <Ubit> ken  the all dialog must fit on a udp packet
2015-11-10 15:46 <Ken_S> I wonder why the same script had been working in SL?
2015-11-10 15:46 <Ubit> no ideia
2015-11-10 15:47 <Ubit> im reading theirs wiki
2015-11-10 15:47 <Ken_S> Yea, wont be the first odd thing from sl lol
2015-11-10 15:47 <Ubit> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlDialog
2015-11-10 15:47 <Ken_S> I can get the builder to shorted the text no problem.
2015-11-10 15:48 <Ken_S> It is a builder that hasnt been in sl much the last 2 years
2015-11-10 15:48 <Ubit> modern udp can do large packets  but viewers also read this wiki
2015-11-10 15:48 <Ken_S> they are moving all the things they built to osg
2015-11-10 15:49 <Ubit> as i typed in the commit we can relax the error condition., and just silent truncate
2015-11-10 15:50 <Ubit> you seen the effects of wrong messages size on viewers 
2015-11-10 15:50 <Ubit> deadly hearts :)
2015-11-10 15:50 <Ken_S> That's probably what sl is doing, but idk
2015-11-10 15:50 <Ubit> errr it was you  or vegaslon ?
2015-11-10 15:51 <Ken_S> A builder brought the error to me and I sent you a private IM here about it
2015-11-10 15:51 <Ubit> im adding bugs on another place now...    can go check later
2015-11-10 15:51 <Ubit> errr i sayed "adding bugs" ? oops :p
2015-11-10 15:52 <Ken_S> They shortened the text, then the menu worked again.
2015-11-10 15:52 <Ubit> yeap...
2015-11-10 15:52 <Ubit> but acording to wiki i need to force it even shorter :p
2015-11-10 15:53 <Melanie_T> if SL doesn't do it, we should not do it
2015-11-10 15:53 <Ubit> ( well not if you only use ascii
2015-11-10 15:53 <Melanie_T> MTU isn't all that important
2015-11-10 15:53 <Melanie_T> loger packets get fragmented
2015-11-10 15:53 <Melanie_T> maybe SL accepts that
2015-11-10 15:53 <Ubit> i know
2015-11-10 15:54 <Ubit> im messing now other thing..  later i will go there try to see if they error, truncate or whatever
2015-11-10 15:54 <Ken_S> It has been 2 years since this menu was written there, so things may have changed since then.
2015-11-10 15:54 <Ubit> we can just truncate.. no issues
2015-11-10 15:54 <Ken_S> Keep that in mind.
2015-11-10 15:55 <Ubit> ( well now that i changed the udp truncation from 1024 to 512 )
2015-11-10 15:55 <Ubit> yeap ken  possible they changed that
2015-11-10 16:00 <Plugh> 24 characters on a dialog button? Maybe if you had one button. I've used shorter strings than that for buttons and they have been cut off.
2015-11-10 16:01 <Ubit> it bytes now Plugh
2015-11-10 16:01 <Ubit> its 24 bytes  
2015-11-10 16:01 <Plugh> Either way, you still won't see that many characters on a button.
2015-11-10 16:01 <Ubit> so less chars if you use utf8 large chars
2015-11-10 16:01 <Ubit> yeap
2015-11-10 16:02 <Ken_S> True, sounds like truncate without fail is the answer.
2015-11-10 16:02 <Ken_S> Otherwise no telling how many other menus will stop working
2015-11-10 16:02 <Ubit> can make life easier..  but worse script debug
2015-11-10 16:03 <Ubit> well im not making terrain send async
2015-11-10 16:03 <Ubit> 2 heavy to be sync on heartbeat
2015-11-10 16:04 <Ubit> err as it is done now
2015-11-10 16:04 <Ken_S> Speaking of terrain loading...
2015-11-10 16:04 <Ubit> ( and another less trully stat ;) )
2015-11-10 16:05 <Ubit> yes ?
2015-11-10 16:05 <Ken_S> Several people have told me they have to TP into the first 256x256 area of a large var or they rest of the terrain wont load
2015-11-10 16:05 <Ken_S> If they TP into the sim somewhere else, 
2015-11-10 16:05 <Ubit> well terrain will load
2015-11-10 16:06 <Ken_S> you can watch the first 256x256 terrain rez, but that as far as it will go.
2015-11-10 16:06 <Ubit> as is im sending it all
2015-11-10 16:06 <Ubit> at a lower pace
2015-11-10 16:06 <Ken_S> Yesterday, someone sent me a TP request
2015-11-10 16:06 <Ubit> at a higher rate i do as radams did, send a circle around the avatar
2015-11-10 16:06 <Ken_S> and I landed near the middle of a 6x6 sim var
2015-11-10 16:07 <Ubit> well around the avatar position or around the camera position...
2015-11-10 16:07 <Ken_S> The only terrain that rezed was the first 256x256 area
2015-11-10 16:07 <Ubit> so better say around the camera position
2015-11-10 16:07 <Ken_S> everything else in the var was and stayed water
2015-11-10 16:07 <Ubit> it didn't rez it later ?
2015-11-10 16:08 <Ken_S> 15 minutes later, no.
2015-11-10 16:08 <Ubit> odd
2015-11-10 16:08 <Ubit> hmm
2015-11-10 16:08 <Ken_S> But if you tp into the first 256x256 sim area, it starts rezing there and goes out
2015-11-10 16:08 <Ken_S> and all eventually rezes that way.
2015-11-10 16:09 <Ken_S> There are on 6x6 sim vars.  Thats the only size of vars I have for testing
2015-11-10 16:09 <Ubit> SendTerrainUpdatesByViewDistance it is true or false ?
2015-11-10 16:10 <Ken_S> In opensim.ini I assume?
2015-11-10 16:10 <Ubit> yeap
2015-11-10 16:10 <Ken_S> I'll need to remote in and check, will take a minute to look...
2015-11-10 16:10 <Ubit> ok
2015-11-10 16:13 <Ken_S> Yes that is set to true on all opensim.ini files, every instance
2015-11-10 16:13 <Ubit> ok same thing im testing
2015-11-10 16:15 <Ubit> well first camera position after tp does seem odd now and then
2015-11-10 16:15 <Ken_S> All objects usually rez ok, its only the terrain that does this.
2015-11-10 16:16 <Ubit> but at least the slow sending always fills the gaps
2015-11-10 16:16 <Ubit> yeap terrain has diferent sending code
2015-11-10 16:17 <Ubit> lbsa
2015-11-10 16:17 <Ubit> errr this is not my map :)
2015-11-10 16:18 <Ken_S> I notice it most often when someone sends me a TP request and they are near the center of the 6x6 var
2015-11-10 16:18 <Ken_S> But even when it does rez, it seems 10x slower than it used to be.
2015-11-10 16:19 <Ubit> seems working ok.. now with async send also
2015-11-10 16:20 <Ubit> ideia is that there is a high priority circle around the camera position.. changes there ( or avatar/ camera movement) should update that circle fast
2015-11-10 16:21 <Ubit> things outside the circle  should arrive at lower pace
2015-11-10 16:22 <Ubit> the reason i added send of all terrain, is becaur viewers do not hide outside view range
2015-11-10 16:22 <Ken_S> I just TPd to the default landing spot on a 6x6 var
2015-11-10 16:22 <Ken_S> then quickly TP'd to near the center.
2015-11-10 16:22 <Ubit> and ?
2015-11-10 16:23 <Ken_S> Parts of the terrain were drawn at the first spot, and on the 2nd spot, but thats all that it drew.
2015-11-10 16:23 <Ubit> the rest of terrain is not arriving slowlly ?
2015-11-10 16:23 <Ken_S> No, it just stopped.
2015-11-10 16:24 <Ken_S> Some of the terrain doesnt have the correct texture near the edges of where it stopped drawing
2015-11-10 16:25 <Ubit> thats viewer thing
2015-11-10 16:26 <Ubit> what is the region name ?
2015-11-10 16:26 <Ken_S> OSGrid International Sailing
2015-11-10 16:27 <Ken_S> Just sent you a TP
2015-11-10 16:27 <Ubit> yeap im there
2015-11-10 16:28 <Ubit> the fast near thing didn't work..  the slow one di
2015-11-10 16:28 <Ubit> i see the terrain now
2015-11-10 16:28 <Ken_S> The point where I am now and to the North is just water, no terrain
2015-11-10 16:29 <Ubit> errr
2015-11-10 16:29 <Ken_S> At least on my screen the terrain never rezed here
2015-11-10 16:29 <Ubit> do you really have terrain for the all region ?
2015-11-10 16:29 <Ken_S> A few are just water, but most have islands or something
2015-11-10 16:30 <Ubit> yeap but i don't see terrain where im
2015-11-10 16:30 <Ubit> odd i do collide with it
2015-11-10 16:31 <Ken_S> Yes, it there physically, just not rezed
2015-11-10 16:31 <Ken_S> The map is actually wrong on the north side.
2015-11-10 16:32 <Ken_S> Those tracks and flat green area are not actually there.
2015-11-10 16:32 <Ken_S> Thats an old sim thats still onb the map
2015-11-10 16:32 <Ken_S> But all the islands on the map in the 6x6 area are correct
2015-11-10 16:33 <Ubit> the track etc is old thing right ?
2015-11-10 16:33 <Ken_S> Ignore the big wide track on the map and the solid flat green area.
2015-11-10 16:34 <Ken_S> Those are old sims that are no longer there
2015-11-10 16:34 <Ken_S> All the rest on the map is correct, but not all rezing on terrain
2015-11-10 16:34 <Ubit> something odd yr box.. map so slow to find lbsa
2015-11-10 16:34 <Ken_S> See the prototype wood colored road?
2015-11-10 16:35 <Ken_S> All that should have terrain around it.
2015-11-10 16:36 <Ken_S> No additional terrain has rezed on my screen for the last 10 minutes.
2015-11-10 16:38 <Ubit> seems there is inconsitente information about the terrain size somewhere
2015-11-10 16:38 <Ken_S> On my screen, no more than 10% of the terrain rezed, then it just stopped.
2015-11-10 16:40 <Ken_S> I TP'd away, then back into the first 256x256 area and now its rezing out from there,
2015-11-10 16:40 <Ken_S> but very very slowly.
2015-11-10 16:40 <Ubit> the full terrain send is slow
2015-11-10 16:40 <Ken_S> BUT, it is all rezing now
2015-11-10 16:41 <Ken_S> It used to be at least 10x this fast on a var
2015-11-10 16:41 <Ken_S> On this same var
2015-11-10 16:42 <Ubit> this was a oar for a larger region ?
2015-11-10 16:43 <Ken_S> Originally there was a region here that was larger, then it was reduced.
2015-11-10 16:43 <Ken_S> I think it may have been 8x8 originally, now it is 6x6
2015-11-10 16:44 <Ken_S> This time half of the var terrain loaded before it stopped
2015-11-10 16:44 <Ubit> why doesn't map work there .. odd
2015-11-10 16:45 <Ken_S> The part that was eliminated when it was changed to a 6x6 never went away from osg's map
2015-11-10 16:45 <Ubit> thats how maps work
2015-11-10 16:46 <Ubit> dan cleans maps by hand now and then
2015-11-10 16:46 <Ken_S> I'll ask him if he can fix it.
2015-11-10 16:47 <Ubit> well its all osg maps :)
2015-11-10 16:47 <Ken_S> Yes
2015-11-10 16:47 <jakdaniels> did the original 8x8 region properly de-register itself when it was last shutdown or does that not remove the map tiles?
2015-11-10 16:47 <Ubit> nopes
2015-11-10 16:47 <Ubit> doesn't remove
2015-11-10 16:47 <Ken_S> It didnt remove the maptiles
2015-11-10 16:47 <Ubit> until you put a region on same spot
2015-11-10 16:48 <Ken_S> Thought about putting a water sim there then removing it to fix the map
2015-11-10 16:48 <Ubit> or dan deletes old files from the maps 
2015-11-10 16:48 <Ubit> thats code that needs more work
2015-11-10 16:49 <Ubit> now.. what have you done to this poor terrain ken ? :)
2015-11-10 16:50 <Ken_S> Maybe I should make and oar and reload it to see what that does.
2015-11-10 16:50 <Ken_S> What do you think?
2015-11-10 16:50 <vegaslon> new database as well?
2015-11-10 16:50 <Ken_S> Noooooo lol
2015-11-10 16:50 <Ken_S> Have 200+ sims in that database lol
2015-11-10 16:50 <Ubit> no maps go to disk tree of folders
2015-11-10 16:51 <Ubit> or a tree of folders on disk :)
2015-11-10 16:51 <vegaslon> terrain height map goes to database
2015-11-10 16:51 <Ubit> yeap.. but maps are a diferent thing
2015-11-10 16:52 <jakdaniels> Ken_S do you have max_packet_size set appropriately in my.cnf ?
2015-11-10 16:52 <Ubit> wrong value would crash, i think  jak
2015-11-10 16:53 <Ubit> when did this region started to do this ken ?
2015-11-10 16:53 <jakdaniels> it dumps red on the console for over sized packets sure, but I don't think the simulator stops working
2015-11-10 16:53 <Ken_S> Yes it is set really large otherwise I could not load some of these oars
2015-11-10 16:54 <Ken_S> Ubit, at least for a few weeks.
2015-11-10 16:54 <Ubit> well avnmerge now also stores gziped terrain.. 
2015-11-10 16:54 <Ken_S> I really havent used this sim on the avn merge branch until a few weeks ago.
2015-11-10 16:55 <Ken_S> Before the merge branch the terrain rezed at least 10x faster 
2015-11-10 16:55 <Ubit> i told you in several places why :p
2015-11-10 16:55 <Ken_S> and it always fully rezed if you tp'd into the first 256x256 area of the sim
2015-11-10 16:55 <Ken_S> Yes, but it used to always rez
2015-11-10 16:55 <Ken_S> now it doesnt always rez
2015-11-10 16:55 <Ubit> a)  there is the option to send all terrain like before var regions
2015-11-10 16:56 <Ken_S> Where?
2015-11-10 16:56 <Ubit> b) there is a fast sender of nearby terrain...
2015-11-10 16:56 <Ubit> c) avnmerge as a aditional slow send of all terrain
2015-11-10 16:56 <Ken_S> How to change this setting?
2015-11-10 16:57 <Ubit> a) should be SendTerrainUpdatesByViewDistance == false
2015-11-10 16:57 <Ken_S> OK let me try that and restart
2015-11-10 16:58 <Ubit> run vegaslon he is going to kill us
2015-11-10 16:58 <Ubit> :)
2015-11-10 16:59 <Ken_S> lol
2015-11-10 16:59 <vegaslon> lol
2015-11-10 16:59 <Ken_S> He just got dumped
2015-11-10 16:59 <Ubit> :)
2015-11-10 16:59 <Ken_S> It is restarting with the false setting
2015-11-10 16:59 <vegaslon> ya that is the game
2015-11-10 17:00 <Ubit> false is not nice on large regions.. but lets see
2015-11-10 17:01 <Ubit> you have backup oars  of the region right ?
2015-11-10 17:03 <Ken_S> Yes
2015-11-10 17:04 <Ubit> its up ?
2015-11-10 17:04 <Ken_S> Looks like someone already logged into it
2015-11-10 17:04 <Ubit> u mean me and jak ? :p
2015-11-10 17:05 <Ubit> nopes no terrain 
2015-11-10 17:05 <Ubit> err
2015-11-10 17:05 <Ubit> arrived 
2015-11-10 17:06 <Ken_S> Terrain still loading very slow
2015-11-10 17:06 <jakdaniels> its actually the terrain around me that seems slow now.... far away seems faster...
2015-11-10 17:08 <Ubit> hmm old terrain send uses some kind of order
2015-11-10 17:08 <Ubit> spiral or something
2015-11-10 17:08 <jakdaniels> but after a few dbl click teleports around the map from middle to all corners, now all the terrain is loaded ok
2015-11-10 17:08 <Ken_S> All the terrain did load this time
2015-11-10 17:08 <Ubit> yeap it looks ok
2015-11-10 17:09 <Ken_S> Was just slower than it used to be
2015-11-10 17:09 <Ken_S> But as long as it is all there, thats the main thing
2015-11-10 17:09 <Ubit> we are 3 there etc
2015-11-10 17:09 <Ken_S> Yes thats part of the slowness
2015-11-10 17:10 <Ubit> we cant use this option on large regions
2015-11-10 17:10 <vegaslon> was still slow when only one tehre
2015-11-10 17:10 <Ken_S> But everything rezed and all terrain textures are there now
2015-11-10 17:10 <Ken_S> Im going to tp out then back in and into center of sim rather that starting point
2015-11-10 17:11 <Ubit> somw how terrain information on the other sending option is messed up
2015-11-10 17:12 <Ken_S> Apparently
2015-11-10 17:12 <Ubit> ok this works
2015-11-10 17:13 <Ubit> so get back to true :)
2015-11-10 17:15 <Ken_S> I TP'd into the center of the 6x6 and it still seems to be sending all terrain and not stopping
2015-11-10 17:15 <Ubit> with this option it does send it all
2015-11-10 17:16 <Ken_S> Hmmm but looks like only the low terrain texture is loading on some of the terrain
2015-11-10 17:17 <Ubit> textures is Viewer thing...
2015-11-10 17:17 <Ken_S> 2nd and 3rd level terrain textures never displayed on 90% of the terrain
2015-11-10 17:18 <Ken_S> So seems to be odd things happen when you dont stay on the first 256 sim before terrain is loaded
2015-11-10 17:20 <jakdaniels> is the viewer running low on texture ram because of the region size?
2015-11-10 17:20 <Ken_S> idk could be
2015-11-10 17:21 <jakdaniels> I think a good test would be a 6x6 empty of objects and mesh terrain, with all the terrain above sea level
2015-11-10 17:22 <nebadon> 6x6 is definitely the danger zone
2015-11-10 17:22 <nebadon> i dont know why you expect it to work well
2015-11-10 17:22 <nebadon> we have said over and over it wont
2015-11-10 17:22 <Ken_S> It used to Neb
2015-11-10 17:22 <Ubit> my 2km is working.. but then its mainly flat
2015-11-10 17:22 <jakdaniels> i don't, but we are certainly testing it on Ken_S 's region :)
2015-11-10 17:22 <nebadon> yea
2015-11-10 17:22 <nebadon> used to could mean you just keep building until it breaks
2015-11-10 17:22 <nebadon> the amount of content in a simulator is a factor
2015-11-10 17:23 <nebadon> there is a line when cross
2015-11-10 17:23 <Ken_S> This sim has less on it now than it ever did
2015-11-10 17:23 <nebadon> the only fix is to remove content
2015-11-10 17:23 <nebadon> yea
2015-11-10 17:23 <nebadon> i did notice when encitra upgraded that teleports seem a bit flakey
2015-11-10 17:23 <nebadon> loading content
2015-11-10 17:23 <Ken_S> I reduced a lot from what it used to have on it
2015-11-10 17:23 <nebadon> we have 768x768 cells
2015-11-10 17:23 <nebadon> and sometimes one will take really long or never load after a teleport
2015-11-10 17:23 <nebadon> but relog and its fine
2015-11-10 17:24 <nebadon> my server is also quite far
2015-11-10 17:24 <nebadon> so i sometimes write it off as latency issues
2015-11-10 17:24 <nebadon> cause its very incosistent
2015-11-10 17:24 <nebadon> most of the time its fine
2015-11-10 17:24 <Ken_S> Thats what we are seeing here, but its ok is you log into the first 256x256 area of the var
2015-11-10 17:24 <Ken_S> *if
2015-11-10 17:24 <nebadon> well for me its neighbor regions
2015-11-10 17:24 <nebadon> i always see the region im in
2015-11-10 17:24 <nebadon> no matter where i landed
2015-11-10 17:25 <nebadon> and if i teleport to the one i cant see it loads instantly
2015-11-10 17:25 <nebadon> or if i relog to the one im in same result loads instantly
2015-11-10 17:25 <nebadon> my regions are tiny compared to yours though
2015-11-10 17:25 <nebadon> 1/4 the size
2015-11-10 17:25 <Ken_S> There are no neighbors to this one, not anymore
2015-11-10 17:26 <nebadon> if be interested to see if you have same results with smaller regions
2015-11-10 17:26 <nebadon> like 4x4
2015-11-10 17:26 <nebadon> since technically we really dont officially support more than that
2015-11-10 17:26 <Ken_S> Smaller is always better.
2015-11-10 17:26 <nebadon> at the advice of people like lkalif
2015-11-10 17:26 <nebadon> who i trust
2015-11-10 17:26 <Ken_S> I was comparing this same 6x6 to what it was a few months ago.
2015-11-10 17:27 <Ubit> (neighbors also have/had issues on child agents creation etc )
2015-11-10 17:27 <Ken_S> But it has fewer prims and scripts now
2015-11-10 17:27 <nebadon> what about latency
2015-11-10 17:27 <nebadon> ive noticed that if there is any disruption in texture pipeline
2015-11-10 17:27 <nebadon> things go to hell 
2015-11-10 17:27 <nebadon> in a very bad nonrecoverable way
2015-11-10 17:27 <Ken_S> And my internet up and down speed has been doubled since then too.
2015-11-10 17:28 <nebadon> textures can take 20+ minutes to load
2015-11-10 17:28 <nebadon> maybe never load
2015-11-10 17:28 <nebadon> CPU on client machine spikes crazy high
2015-11-10 17:28 <nebadon> you get very low FPS
2015-11-10 17:28 <nebadon> all because textures arenot loading fast enough
2015-11-10 17:28 <nebadon> its really bad
2015-11-10 17:28 <nebadon> its not hard to test it
2015-11-10 17:28 <nebadon> set the texture cap to a bad URL
2015-11-10 17:28 <nebadon> in OpenSim.ini
2015-11-10 17:28 <nebadon> and try logging in
2015-11-10 17:29 <nebadon> on a region with a lot of content, like Universal Campuse
2015-11-10 17:29 <Ken_S> OK, all this is fine.  I was asked to report anything that was not working well.
2015-11-10 17:29 <nebadon> or something equivalent
2015-11-10 17:29 <Ken_S> Cpmapred to what it used to be
2015-11-10 17:29 <nebadon> yea we do appreciate that for sure
2015-11-10 17:29 <nebadon> im just pointing out what ive been seeing
2015-11-10 17:29 <Ken_S> So its reported.
2015-11-10 17:29 <nebadon> which very well could be the same things
2015-11-10 17:29 <nebadon> it sounds similar
2015-11-10 17:29 <nebadon> for us it was firewall
2015-11-10 17:30 <nebadon> i first experienced it at OSCC
2015-11-10 17:30 <Ken_S> I have also heard complaints about textures not fully rezing at times
2015-11-10 17:30 <nebadon> then after an audit on Encitra
2015-11-10 17:30 <nebadon> because we had a couple models doing very odd things
2015-11-10 17:30 <Ken_S> Being blurry
2015-11-10 17:30 <nebadon> we realized we had errors in configs and firewalls
2015-11-10 17:30 <nebadon> even though the simulators were running and people were working
2015-11-10 17:30 <nebadon> performance in these regions was horrible
2015-11-10 17:30 <nebadon> really really bad
2015-11-10 17:30 <Ken_S> I have all firewalls totally off, as much as I hate to be doing that
2015-11-10 17:30 <nebadon> yea good for a test
2015-11-10 17:31 <nebadon> if there is no difference then turn it back on
2015-11-10 17:31 <nebadon> is my suggestion
2015-11-10 17:31 <nebadon> especially on windows
2015-11-10 17:31 <nebadon> which very well could be part of the problem
2015-11-10 17:31 <nebadon> we do not have a lot of people running big grids on Windows
2015-11-10 17:31 <nebadon> you are one of the exceptions
2015-11-10 17:31 <nebadon> I dont even have an easy way to test simulators in Windows
2015-11-10 17:31 <Ubit> ooopsss
2015-11-10 17:31 <nebadon> not saying windows is bad
2015-11-10 17:32 <Ken_S> I have been running vars on windows since vars were available
2015-11-10 17:32 <nebadon> im saying we dont test enough on windows
2015-11-10 17:32 <Ken_S> Ubit uses windows lol
2015-11-10 17:32 <nebadon> yes but he isnt running big grids
2015-11-10 17:32 <nebadon> like you
2015-11-10 17:32 <nebadon> Avination is linux
2015-11-10 17:32 <nebadon> hard core
2015-11-10 17:32 <Ubit> avination still doesn't use vars neb
2015-11-10 17:32 <nebadon> the only other big windows grid i knew of is gone now
2015-11-10 17:32 <nebadon> Reaction grid
2015-11-10 17:32 <Ken_S> Unfortunately I dont have the time to deal with all the Linux issues I see people having
2015-11-10 17:32 <nebadon> ah ya that is also true
2015-11-10 17:33 <nebadon> oh no Ken_S i am not asking you to at all
2015-11-10 17:33 <nebadon> but it could be why the disparity
2015-11-10 17:33 <Ubit> i was working on it when the mel decided to contribute
2015-11-10 17:33 <nebadon> of what i see and you see
2015-11-10 17:33 <Ubit> when the mel :)
2015-11-10 17:33 <nebadon> we are kind of comparing apples and oranges
2015-11-10 17:33 <Ubit> The Mel! :)
2015-11-10 17:33 <nebadon> and expecting pinapple juice
2015-11-10 17:33 <nebadon> hehe
2015-11-10 17:34 <nebadon> Ken_S you are all 64 bit right
2015-11-10 17:34 <nebadon> ?
2015-11-10 17:34 <Ubit> ken wait a bit.. seen a oops
2015-11-10 17:34 <Ken_S> I just know its slower now with terrain with a lot fewer prims and scripts on it than it used to have.
2015-11-10 17:34 <nebadon> i probably already knew this but want to be sure
2015-11-10 17:34 <Ken_S> Yes 64 bit
2015-11-10 17:34 <nebadon> ok what about Interest Management settings?
2015-11-10 17:34 <nebadon> this could be your problem too
2015-11-10 17:34 <nebadon> I think at some point we need to revisit interest management
2015-11-10 17:35 <nebadon> and make sure its not part of the problem
2015-11-10 17:35 <nebadon> i was actually discussing this while i was traveling
2015-11-10 17:35 <Ken_S> I have not touched anything to do with that.
2015-11-10 17:35 <nebadon> about how before jhurliman introduced this "Interest Management" opensimulator actually ran a lot better
2015-11-10 17:35 <nebadon> maybe we couldnt scale to 500 users like intel wanted
2015-11-10 17:35 <nebadon> but from my recollection opensim nose dived perforamance wise after it was implemented
2015-11-10 17:36 <nebadon> in the name of getting 1000 users into a single simulator
2015-11-10 17:36 <Ubit> damm vs2015 now and then doesn't flag libs as not running
2015-11-10 17:36 <nebadon> something that never happend
2015-11-10 17:36 <nebadon> and probably wont ever happen
2015-11-10 17:36 <Ken_S> Ubit, what opps did you find?
2015-11-10 17:37 <Ubit> a || in place of && :)
2015-11-10 17:37 <Ken_S> Could that be part of the issue?
2015-11-10 17:37 <Ubit> can be
2015-11-10 17:37 <Ken_S> Aha
2015-11-10 17:37 <Ken_S> So I wasn't just imagining all this lol
2015-11-10 17:38 <Ubit> nahh  your region is :p
2015-11-10 17:38 <nebadon> haha
2015-11-10 17:38 <vegaslon> nope all in your head ;)
2015-11-10 17:38 <Ken_S> lol
2015-11-10 17:38 <Ken_S> Isnt opensim just in all our heads? :)
2015-11-10 17:38 <vegaslon> ya
2015-11-10 17:38 <Ken_S> Unfortunately
2015-11-10 17:38 <vegaslon> all a pretty dream hope to rember when we wake
2015-11-10 17:39 <Ubit> well im going to push also the async send i was testing
2015-11-10 17:39 <Ubit> just checking if it still runs :)
2015-11-10 17:39 <Ken_S> I can test, but will take a while to update and restart everything
2015-11-10 17:40 <Ubit> ( change the option to true )
2015-11-10 17:40 <Ken_S> ok
2015-11-10 17:40 <Ubit> this thing was on the slow sender
2015-11-10 17:45 <Ubit> can u test this ken ?
2015-11-10 17:48 <Ken_S> Yes will start updating now
2015-11-10 17:49 <Ubit> well after compiling this code i hope ;)
2015-11-10 17:50 <Ubit> ( sim FPS will be 55fps again )
2015-11-10 17:50 <Ken_S> Duhhhh
2015-11-10 17:50 <Ken_S> lol
2015-11-10 17:51 <Ubit> Duhh it was already on yr region  :p
2015-11-10 17:52 <Ubit> we may need to review all this terrain sending concepts
2015-11-10 17:52 <vegaslon> what it was a software problem? I bought I new server in hopes of getting sim frame rate over 11
2015-11-10 17:53 <Ubit> im working on top RAdams model  but..
2015-11-10 17:54 <Ubit> i meant reported 55fps with internal heartbeat of 11
2015-11-10 17:54 <Ubit> but you can change internal rate... 11 is a minimum..
2015-11-10 17:55 <Ubit> not totally tested on opensim.. but should work at faster rate
2015-11-10 17:55 <vegaslon> I am going to set it to 200 fps
2015-11-10 17:55 <Ubit> yeap u can try :p
2015-11-10 17:55 <Ken_S> Ubit, I think the minimum on dev master used to be 5 or 7
2015-11-10 17:55 <Ubit> possible it was
2015-11-10 17:55 <Ubit> but 5 updates per second?
2015-11-10 17:55 <Ken_S> What is the name of that ini setting, I forget
2015-11-10 17:56 <Ken_S> No the setting I am thinking of was in ms
2015-11-10 17:56 <Ubit> why do u thing i remember ? :p
2015-11-10 17:56 <Ken_S> lol
2015-11-10 17:56 <Ken_S> I am old
2015-11-10 17:56 <Plugh> I thought an agreement had been reached to change to real stats and now, all this time later, a few people who had agreed are now changing their minds?
2015-11-10 17:56 <Ubit> m_sendTerrainUpdatesByViewDistance
2015-11-10 17:56 <Ubit> errr
2015-11-10 17:56 <Ubit> SendTerrainUpdatesByViewDistance
2015-11-10 17:57 <Ubit> Plugh  you now have a option about that on opensimDefaults
2015-11-10 17:57 <Ubit> read the mails :P
2015-11-10 17:57 <Plugh> You just said something about simFPS will be 55 again.
2015-11-10 17:57 <vegaslon> it was decides after the change that it did not have a noticable negative impact on the veiwer
2015-11-10 17:58 <Ubit> yes  on kens region fired with defaults..
2015-11-10 17:59 <Ubit> oh more mails on that
2015-11-10 18:01 <Ken_S> OK Ubit here are the resulots so far...
2015-11-10 18:01 <Ken_S> Terrain loading seems a little faster.
2015-11-10 18:02 <Ken_S> Main thing is that the textures are loading almost as fast as the terrain
2015-11-10 18:02 <Ken_S> keeping up with it now
2015-11-10 18:02 <Ubit> well the fast sender didn't kick in
2015-11-10 18:02 <Ken_S> No longer see the level 2 and 3 terrain textures missing in a lot of places
2015-11-10 18:03 <Ubit> Ken..  textures is viewerrrrr !
2015-11-10 18:03 <Ken_S> All terrain textures are there now.
2015-11-10 18:03 <Ken_S> I am just telling you the difference.
2015-11-10 18:03 <Ken_S> Not telling you where it is coming from
2015-11-10 18:03 <Ubit> when it gets terrain from region it shows a default dirt terrain
2015-11-10 18:04 <Ken_S> I need to try sing instead of FS.
2015-11-10 18:04 <Ubit> hmm the fast send did work now on a tp
2015-11-10 18:04 <Ken_S> Terrain rezed ahead of me as the view distance specified
2015-11-10 18:05 <Ken_S> But it stopped rezing terrain about half way across the var
2015-11-10 18:05 <Ken_S> and stopped loading
2015-11-10 18:05 <Ubit> the slow full send stoped?
2015-11-10 18:05 <Ken_S> I am at the edge of where it stopped loading now.
2015-11-10 18:05 <Ken_S> Yes
2015-11-10 18:05 <Ken_S> Stopped completely
2015-11-10 18:06 <Ken_S> Want me to try with sing viewer?
2015-11-10 18:06 <Ubit> im with sing
2015-11-10 18:06 <Plugh> nebadon: The max suggested size for vars seems to keep changing. I thought 8x8 was the suggested max. Now you are indicating its down to a 6x6 max and recommended to not exceed 4x4 (depending on amount of content in regions)?
2015-11-10 18:08 <Ubit> Plugh that depends on the box you have, network etc
2015-11-10 18:08 <Ubit> FS is the only that still seems to crash
2015-11-10 18:08 <Ken_S> I switched to sing
2015-11-10 18:08 <Ubit> viewer side i mean..
2015-11-10 18:09 <Plugh> I can't use any recent versions of Sing. I haven't backed up far enough to get to a stable version of Alpha.
2015-11-10 18:09 <nebadon> well techincally 4x4 is the most realiable Plugh
2015-11-10 18:09 <nebadon> you can push it to 2048x2048 but you can not expect it to be perfect
2015-11-10 18:09 <nebadon> terrain gets large 
2015-11-10 18:09 <nebadon> very large
2015-11-10 18:09 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-11-10 18:09 <nebadon> I suspect terrain loading was improved and 2048x2048 got better
2015-11-10 18:10 <Ubit> im testing 2km..  because im testing.. i could not hold a 2km region on my box
2015-11-10 18:10 <nebadon> but its still far from perfect and I personall would not use it in production environement
2015-11-10 18:10 <nebadon> where people are doing serious work
2015-11-10 18:10 <nebadon> sandbox testing sure
2015-11-10 18:10 <nebadon> big sailboat area that is water sure
2015-11-10 18:10 <nebadon> but fill it with content and watch it explode
2015-11-10 18:11 <Ken_S> Ubit, best I can tell the terrain is rezing out to the view distance from where I landed, but not ever rezing any more than that
2015-11-10 18:11 <Ken_S> Even if I go to the edge of where it rezed, no more rezes
2015-11-10 18:11 <Ken_S> Same with FS and sing, no difference
2015-11-10 18:12 <Ken_S> My viewer is set for 1024 view distance and thats almost exactly how far out it rezed from the var far SW corner.
2015-11-10 18:13 <Ubit> yeap something wrong
2015-11-10 18:14 <Ubit> hmm do a little change on terrain.. elevate.. flat .. smooht.. a little change
2015-11-10 18:18 <Ubit> and map doesn't work again
2015-11-10 18:20 <vegaslon> see both map and all of terrain
2015-11-10 18:20 <Ubit> click on map  i mean
2015-11-10 18:20 <vegaslon> yep works fine
2015-11-10 18:22 <Ken_S> Map search often doesnt work when you are on a var until terrain finishes loading.
2015-11-10 18:22 <Ubit> i reduced viewer bandwith 
2015-11-10 18:22 <Ubit> i do see terrain
2015-11-10 18:22 <Ubit> on mini map see the slow going on
2015-11-10 18:23 <Ken_S> What bw settings are you using?
2015-11-10 18:23 <Ubit> what bandwith do you have ?
2015-11-10 18:23 <Ubit> 1Mbps now
2015-11-10 18:23 <Ken_S> Mine is set to 950 max and 1190 on textures currently in sing
2015-11-10 18:24 <vegaslon> 2000 and 3000
2015-11-10 18:24 <Ubit> fast send worked again...
2015-11-10 18:24 <Ubit> on a new relog...
2015-11-10 18:25 <Ken_S> Strange
2015-11-10 18:25 <Ken_S> Did you log directly into the sim?
2015-11-10 18:25 <Ken_S> Or tp there
2015-11-10 18:25 <Ubit> yeap
2015-11-10 18:25 <Ken_S> Let me try that
2015-11-10 18:25 <Ubit> viewer failed to rez textures on the far edges
2015-11-10 18:25 <nebadon> i use 5000/5000 on encitra
2015-11-10 18:25 <nebadon> but we have very fast servers
2015-11-10 18:25 <nebadon> maybe i should try lower settings
2015-11-10 18:26 <nebadon> starving the pipeline is super destructive
2015-11-10 18:26 <nebadon> from my experience
2015-11-10 18:26 <Ubit> that also works to protect viewers from overload
2015-11-10 18:26 <nebadon> i never thought to try lowering bandwidth
2015-11-10 18:26 <nebadon> Ubit in theory
2015-11-10 18:26 <nebadon> i suspect it does the opposite though
2015-11-10 18:26 <nebadon> makes it work harder
2015-11-10 18:27 <Ubit> lower bandwith? should not
2015-11-10 18:27 <nebadon> try redirecting texture cap to a bad url or even slow it down really really slow
2015-11-10 18:27 <nebadon> the viewer goes berzerker
2015-11-10 18:27 <nebadon> 1fps rendering
2015-11-10 18:27 <nebadon> 100% cpu load
2015-11-10 18:27 <nebadon> even with a bad texture cap
2015-11-10 18:28 <nebadon> it eventually loads textures
2015-11-10 18:28 <nebadon> i assume from region cache maybe
2015-11-10 18:28 <nebadon> i have no idea it was so bizzare
2015-11-10 18:28 <nebadon> it would take like 20 minutes for textures, some would never load
2015-11-10 18:28 <nebadon> and all the time you can barely move 
2015-11-10 18:28 <Ubit> i was talking udp side.. 
2015-11-10 18:28 <nebadon> ah ok
2015-11-10 18:29 <Ubit> http bandwith..  we had no control
2015-11-10 18:29 <nebadon> textures for terrain are TCP though?
2015-11-10 18:29 <Ubit> yeap but those are only 3 or 4
2015-11-10 18:29 <gmc> ok, now i'm confused.. i thought it was time for opensim office hour half an hour ago..
2015-11-10 18:29 <nebadon> no 30 minutes
2015-11-10 18:29 <gmc> This meeting is scheduled for 1100 PST, 1400 EST, 1800 UTC, 1900 CET on Wright Plaza at OSGrid (osgrid.org). 
2015-11-10 18:29 <Ubit> rezzing them is another story
2015-11-10 18:29 <gmc> it's 19:30 CET now :)
2015-11-10 18:29 <nebadon> 1400EST = 2pm
2015-11-10 18:29 <nebadon> its 1:30pm
2015-11-10 18:29 <Ubit> what is see is rez issue
2015-11-10 18:30 <gmc> but it's 1030 PST.. so the page on the opensim wiki is incorrect i think..
2015-11-10 18:30 <gmc> should say 2000 CET
2015-11-10 18:30 <nebadon> another thing we do at OSCC and Encitra that has a really really big impact
2015-11-10 18:30 <nebadon> which is probably another reason i dont see some of these issues
2015-11-10 18:30 <nebadon> we do not serve textures from simulators
2015-11-10 18:31 <nebadon> but direct from a special robust console
2015-11-10 18:31 <jakdaniels> 1800 UTC is also 1800 GMT and its 1830GMT here now :)
2015-11-10 18:31 <nebadon> ah ya i bet in the past justin was changing that
2015-11-10 18:31 <gmc> 1900 CET = 1000 PST
2015-11-10 18:31 <nebadon> and no longer is 
2015-11-10 18:31 <Ubit> 800kbps.. seems working
2015-11-10 18:31 <nebadon> look at history
2015-11-10 18:32 <Ubit> neb  thing think its not the texture..
2015-11-10 18:32 <Ubit> its viewer rezzing the terrain patchs
2015-11-10 18:32 <Ubit> textures are there,, we seem them on other patchs
2015-11-10 18:33 <Ubit> seems i did got al terrain now
2015-11-10 18:34 <Plugh> I'm having another look through the mega change log one liners from the merge dump. Removing entries that won't contribute to a summary of what has been changed.
2015-11-10 18:34 <Ubit> like those where i changed and rechanged and went back to original :p
2015-11-10 18:36 <Ubit> guys try a bandwith around 800kbps
2015-11-10 18:36 <Ken_S> k
2015-11-10 18:37 <Ken_S> UDP or TCP for textures?
2015-11-10 18:37 <Ubit> udp for terrain
2015-11-10 18:38 <Plugh> Ubit, yea, stuff like that. Also debug messages, typos, and whitespace changes.
2015-11-10 18:38 <Ken_S> I have 800 for texture bandwidth, what setting for the maximum bandwidth?
2015-11-10 18:38 <Ubit> leave http
2015-11-10 18:39 <Ubit> change udp 
2015-11-10 18:39 <Ubit> ( my http is 5M oops )
2015-11-10 18:39 <Ubit> this viewers are insane
2015-11-10 18:39 <Ken_S> TCP/UDP option is available only for textures and inventory. It is TCP for inventory and UDP for Texture right now
2015-11-10 18:40 <Ubit> 10Mbps..  yeahh yeaahh
2015-11-10 18:41 <Ken_S> 10Mbps on which setting, Maximum, or Textures?
2015-11-10 18:41 <Ubit> its the absurd max singu allows
2015-11-10 18:41 <vegaslon> hmm loaded fine to a point with 800 and then stoppped at that point he was talking about
2015-11-10 18:42 <Ubit> so still stops..
2015-11-10 18:42 <Ken_S> I think that stopping point is a bug somewhere, rather than a bw thing
2015-11-10 18:42 <Ubit> yeap can be
2015-11-10 18:42 <vegaslon> was not stopping at 2000
2015-11-10 18:44 <Ken_S> Vegavision, you using TCP or UDP for textures?
2015-11-10 18:44 <Ubit> yeap it did stop for me also
2015-11-10 18:46 <vegaslon> ya stopped again even with 2000
2015-11-10 18:46 <Ken_S> Seems to be stopped at about 1024 or so out from the corner of the var
2015-11-10 18:46 <Ken_S> My draw distance is set to 1024
2015-11-10 18:47 <Ken_S> I Tp'd out and back in and now its drawing all of it. so odd
2015-11-10 18:48 <Ubit> yeap seeing the slow working on mini map
2015-11-10 18:49 <Ubit> worked on this time.. 
2015-11-10 18:49 <Ubit> well a nice bug to find :)
2015-11-10 20:38 <Ubit> monitor.tryenter doesn work like lock.. silly me
2015-11-10 20:43 <Plugh> hehe... there is an OS commit that says -> "save the catgirls"
2015-11-10 20:44 <Plugh> hm... seeing a couple places where it says "replicating SL bug"
2015-11-10 21:00 <osmantis> Bug #7737:04 region table not being created on first run... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7737 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-10 21:02 <Plugh> Down to 2378 lines in avnmerge changelog summary from over 2800 lines that I started with.
2015-11-10 21:04 <Melanie_T> :)
2015-11-10 21:29 <Ubit> "save the catgirls" is very important !!!
2015-11-10 21:30 <Plugh> I have no clue about that reference.
2015-11-10 21:31 <Ubit> think i overoptimized something and mel saved the catgirls
2015-11-10 21:31 <Plugh> hm... git show lets me see code changes for a given hash code. Is there a way to get an am formatted patch for a given hash?
2015-11-10 21:31 <Ubit> now ..  there are "bugs" that are intensional
2015-11-10 21:32 <Ubit> bc they follow sl bugs.. and so are features...
2015-11-10 21:32 <Ubit> a example is on  setparameters PRIM_ROTATION if i remember well
2015-11-10 21:33 <Ubit> for sitting avatars..
2015-11-10 21:33 <Plugh> eek. Git format-patch with a hash code generates a whole lot of patch files.
2015-11-10 21:33 <Plugh> Ubit, I didn't look at the catgirls patch. I just saw the commit message
2015-11-10 21:35 <Melanie_T> http://i.stack.imgur.com/mtGmy.gif
2015-11-10 21:35 <Melanie_T> there was one with a different text
2015-11-10 21:35 <Melanie_T> it said "Everytime someone drags real physics into a discussion about virtual worlds, god kils a catgirl"
2015-11-10 21:35 <Melanie_T> teravus made it :)
2015-11-10 21:36 <Ubit> :)
2015-11-10 21:36 <Plugh> oh, its a manga reference
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2015-11-11 02:44 <Ubit> ok ken's region terrain seems working now
2015-11-11 03:31 <diva> Ubit are you around?
2015-11-11 03:31 <Ubit> yeap
2015-11-11 03:31 <diva> hi!
2015-11-11 03:31 <Ubit> hi
2015-11-11 03:32 <diva> Are there any important commits that I should cherry-pick for 0.8.2?
2015-11-11 03:32 <diva> I want to make the release soon
2015-11-11 03:33 <Ubit> well some sugested the one that is causing the animated discution on the mail list
2015-11-11 03:33 <diva> oh man
2015-11-11 03:33 <Ubit> but not sure about it
2015-11-11 03:33 <diva> what does it do? Makes it configurable?
2015-11-11 03:33 <diva> let me pull...
2015-11-11 03:33 <Ubit> yeap makes it a option, and does the internal math now
2015-11-11 03:34 <diva> options are good
2015-11-11 03:34 <Ubit> so if you change FrameTime  it also changes
2015-11-11 03:34 <diva> why are ppl arguing? (I have been ignoring that whole bread fight)
2015-11-11 03:34 <Ubit> say you double it.. the factor becames 2.5 etc
2015-11-11 03:34 <Ubit> don't know
2015-11-11 03:35 <Ubit> i seen looked to mails about it...   placed on discution.. not for a fight..
2015-11-11 03:35 <Ubit> and it is a option now..
2015-11-11 03:36 <diva> options are good
2015-11-11 03:36 <Ubit> i had a fight with stats..
2015-11-11 03:36 <diva> what did it doto you? :)
2015-11-11 03:36 <Ubit> mainly moses adictions..  but not all
2015-11-11 03:37 <diva> lol "addictions" :)
2015-11-11 03:37 <Ubit> i changed moses code, trying to keep same goals :)
2015-11-11 03:37 <diva> so their goals are still accomplished?
2015-11-11 03:38 <Ubit> removed odd reports about pathfinder we don't have...  also :)
2015-11-11 03:38 <Ubit> hope so..
2015-11-11 03:38 <diva> ok
2015-11-11 03:38 <Ubit> the extra stats they added are there 
2015-11-11 03:38 <Ubit> ( sure i do bad math now and then ;) )
2015-11-11 03:38 <diva> I see many commits in master that might be ported, no?
2015-11-11 03:39 <diva> like, almost all?
2015-11-11 03:39 <Ubit> also they added extra timing variables based on stop watch all over Update()
2015-11-11 03:39 <diva> let's decide which ones need to go
2015-11-11 03:39 <diva> did you remove that?
2015-11-11 03:40 <Ubit> i remove those and made our old ones have stopwatch resolution
2015-11-11 03:40 <diva> is that better?
2015-11-11 03:40 <Ubit> cleaner at least
2015-11-11 03:40 <diva> ok
2015-11-11 03:40 <diva> so let's decide which commits to port to the release
2015-11-11 03:41 <diva> I think having the FPS configurable is a good thing
2015-11-11 03:41 <diva> are there any bug fixes besides that?
2015-11-11 03:41 <diva> I see something related to TPs
2015-11-11 03:41 <diva> I see something related to TPs&
2015-11-11 03:41 <Ubit> most fixes where avn part
2015-11-11 03:42 <Ubit> last one was  on my new code on terrain sending
2015-11-11 03:42 <Ubit> i did today changes on the size of the message field on lldialog and llTextBox
2015-11-11 03:42 <Ubit> we where using 1024 bytes... its 512 at sl
2015-11-11 03:43 <diva> how about this one?
2015-11-11 03:43 <diva> "fix services handling of visualparameters, avoiding possible crashs (mantis 7732) partially appling code from avinationmerge"
2015-11-11 03:43 <Ubit> yeap i did it also on master
2015-11-11 03:44 <diva> should it be ported to the release?
2015-11-11 03:44 <Ubit> yeap
2015-11-11 03:44 <Ubit> even with singularity now fix.. its a hole
2015-11-11 03:45 <Ubit> hmm i also need to look to commits :)
2015-11-11 03:45 <diva> what about this? This seems a revert of something that was ported to the release:
2015-11-11 03:45 <diva> "fix mantis 7733, reverting setting of IsAttachment on first call to full check. Replace instead same simple IsAttachment tests by full checks"
2015-11-11 03:46 <Ubit> that was a revert on my own code because of the hair with fireworks
2015-11-11 03:46 <diva> so should I port that to the release?
2015-11-11 03:46 <Ubit> ok its better also
2015-11-11 03:46 <diva> ok
2015-11-11 03:46 <diva> what about this? "fix teleport to to string version regions"
2015-11-11 03:47 <Ubit> it changes IsAttachment to the full check in 2 places
2015-11-11 03:47 <diva> how's that have to do with the commit message?
2015-11-11 03:47 <diva> anyway should I port it?
2015-11-11 03:47 <Ubit> that is part of the new code melanie added
2015-11-11 03:48 <Ubit> better stay out i think
2015-11-11 03:48 <diva> ok
2015-11-11 03:48 <Ubit> about protocol version control
2015-11-11 03:48 <diva> next: "let silly tests override version on local connections"
2015-11-11 03:48 <Ubit> same
2015-11-11 03:48 <diva> k
2015-11-11 03:48 <Ubit> melanie changed all that later
2015-11-11 03:49 <Melanie_T> yup
2015-11-11 03:49 <diva> and this one? "fix mantis 7734, Thanks Garmin for the report"
2015-11-11 03:49 <Melanie_T> there was a misunderstanding between ubit and myself
2015-11-11 03:49 <Melanie_T> he was of the opinion that versions shoud be absolute
2015-11-11 03:49 <Ubit> nahh normal process of convergence to nice code :p
2015-11-11 03:50 <diva> it looks like that one I mentioned should be ported
2015-11-11 03:50 <diva> it's a string format error
2015-11-11 03:50 <Melanie_T> while i am of the opinion (refelcted in code) that a region may well choose to _accept_ different versions than it is willing to _provide_
2015-11-11 03:50 <Ubit> i changed StringToBytes also
2015-11-11 03:50 <Ubit> that caused viewers crash
2015-11-11 03:50 <diva> ok I htink I have the complete list of cherry-piacks
2015-11-11 03:50 <Melanie_T> my design supports asummetric versions while ubit tried to make that normalized to one version
2015-11-11 03:50 <diva> just 3
2015-11-11 03:50 <Ubit> have that one ?
2015-11-11 03:51 <diva> 8b1ae501b577e302313dd856fe18f0b88f62725d
2015-11-11 03:51 <Melanie_T> you should pick all
2015-11-11 03:51 <diva> dd9b06e3b68919f9b093c7673427c4beeb1fb1ea
2015-11-11 03:51 <diva> ed909f56da1e11be07a9df3499d30acdd18284e7
2015-11-11 03:51 <Melanie_T> because it's the future
2015-11-11 03:51 <Melanie_T> do you want to be left behind?
2015-11-11 03:51 <diva> this is for the 0.8.2 release
2015-11-11 03:51 <Ubit> diva you have the one where i change stringtoBytes256  and 1024 ?
2015-11-11 03:51 <Melanie_T> the 0.8.2 release can be and should be selctive
2015-11-11 03:51 <diva> which ons was that? do you remember the commit message
2015-11-11 03:51 <Melanie_T> if only for the purpose of the conference
2015-11-11 03:52 <diva> yep, that's what I'm doing
2015-11-11 03:52 <diva> I want to make a release, like, tonight
2015-11-11 03:52 <Melanie_T> it's why i went for a staged light touch approach
2015-11-11 03:52 <Melanie_T> the important stuff is in avnmerge
2015-11-11 03:52 <diva> it's been stitting on my todo list, but I've been busy with ither things
2015-11-11 03:52 <Melanie_T> you shoudl probably pull all the core changes
2015-11-11 03:52 <Melanie_T> all the ones relting to entity transfer
2015-11-11 03:52 <diva> no I don't think I want to pull the things with protocol versions
2015-11-11 03:53 <Ubit> SHA-1: 45ff7cec805755088dee3dc17f158e89f79bfeb5
2015-11-11 03:53 <Ubit> *  fix cut points of UTF-8 strings
2015-11-11 03:53 <diva> I have just gone one by one with Ubit since I last cherry-picked
2015-11-11 03:53 <Ubit> that was a viewers crash
2015-11-11 03:54 <diva> hmm, can't find it
2015-11-11 03:54 <Melanie_T> well, the intent is to hve those in 0.8.2
2015-11-11 03:54 <Ubit> 28/10
2015-11-11 03:54 <diva> oh I have the ones from like 2 weeks ago
2015-11-11 03:54 <Melanie_T> because lse we will delay nonhuman avatars by at least 3 months
2015-11-11 03:54 <Melanie_T> if not 6
2015-11-11 03:54 <diva> I'm just looking atm the more recent ones
2015-11-11 03:54 <Melanie_T> basically you have two choices
2015-11-11 03:54 <diva> yeah that stuff is there
2015-11-11 03:55 <Melanie_T> remain at string versioned SIMULATION/0.3
2015-11-11 03:55 <Melanie_T> which means you will not be able to work with any extended wearabkes, skels or whatever
2015-11-11 03:55 <Melanie_T> and you will SQUASH them on transfer
2015-11-11 03:55 <Melanie_T> or go to the new versioning system
2015-11-11 03:55 <Melanie_T> which will talk to the string versioned one
2015-11-11 03:56 <diva> I really don't want to touch TPs for 0.8.2
2015-11-11 03:56 <Melanie_T> but will preserve, if not interpret, those enhancements
2015-11-11 03:56 <diva> that's very risky
2015-11-11 03:56 <Melanie_T> it's not
2015-11-11 03:56 <Melanie_T> since it only touches tp negotiation
2015-11-11 03:56 <Melanie_T> not actul tp
2015-11-11 03:56 <Melanie_T> tht is still in avnmerge
2015-11-11 03:56 <Melanie_T> waiting for 0.8.3
2015-11-11 03:56 <Melanie_T> but i would want the versioning stiff in 0.8.2
2015-11-11 03:57 <Melanie_T> e.g. the queryaccess changes
2015-11-11 03:57 <Melanie_T> avnmerge has a major interface refator i have held back on purpose
2015-11-11 03:57 <Melanie_T> in order not to destabilize the conference
2015-11-11 03:57 <diva> is that working solid with 0.8.1?
2015-11-11 03:57 <Melanie_T> but what is in core now is safe
2015-11-11 03:57 <Melanie_T> or so ubit said
2015-11-11 03:58 <diva> Ubit is that safe to port?
2015-11-11 03:58 <Melanie_T> the cirrent core version will work solid back to 0.7.0
2015-11-11 03:58 <Ubit> hmm ?
2015-11-11 03:58 <diva> does it work well with 0.8.1?
2015-11-11 03:58 <Melanie_T> it WILL reject 0.6
2015-11-11 03:58 <Ubit> the protocol code ?
2015-11-11 03:58 <Melanie_T> intentioanlly
2015-11-11 03:58 <diva> ...whatever Melanie is mentioning
2015-11-11 03:58 <Ubit> i did test but guess only as low as 8.1 regions
2015-11-11 03:58 <Melanie_T> but -.6 is for the scrap heap
2015-11-11 03:59 <diva> so Melanie which commits are those?
2015-11-11 03:59 <diva> I see a bunch of things being reverted
2015-11-11 03:59 <Melanie_T> merge master
2015-11-11 03:59 <Melanie_T> it's been bck and forth
2015-11-11 03:59 <diva> you sure?!?
2015-11-11 03:59 <Melanie_T> due to misunderstandings between ubit and me on the direction taken
2015-11-11 03:59 <Melanie_T> but master is sound now
2015-11-11 04:00 <diva> nervous
2015-11-11 04:00 <diva> btw Melanie did you see Adam's email?
2015-11-11 04:00 <Melanie_T> yes i did
2015-11-11 04:00 <Melanie_T> sems he has three domins
2015-11-11 04:00 <diva> finally we get that done! :)
2015-11-11 04:01 <Melanie_T> will pqy nd action all three
2015-11-11 04:01 <Ubit> i can't say i tested it as i whould like.. but seen no issues or have reports of issues from ppl testing avnmerge with it
2015-11-11 04:01 <Melanie_T> pay*
2015-11-11 04:01 <diva> ok so are you really really sure I should just merge? I had been cherry-picking
2015-11-11 04:01 <Melanie_T> diva: all my work on TP negotiation is to future proof opensim
2015-11-11 04:02 <diva> i know but there may be commits in there that we don't want in the release
2015-11-11 04:02 <nebadon> 
ACTION waves

2015-11-11 04:02 <Melanie_T> none of the changes are intended to introduce incompatibilities
2015-11-11 04:02 <Melanie_T> the breaking changes are in avnmerge branch
2015-11-11 04:03 <Melanie_T> the changes in master are those intended for 0.8.2
2015-11-11 04:04 <Melanie_T> the master changes are to RECOGNIZE SIMULATION/0.4
2015-11-11 04:04 <Melanie_T> but USE SIMULATION/0.3
2015-11-11 04:04 <diva> yeah I just want to make sure that no other unrelated commits get merged
2015-11-11 04:05 <diva> o fine, there don't seem to be other unrelated commits
2015-11-11 04:05 <diva> I'll merge
2015-11-11 04:05 <diva> let me cherry pick that one that ubit mentioned from avn'
2015-11-11 04:06 <Melanie_T> which one?
2015-11-11 04:06 <Ubit> utf-8 chars
2015-11-11 04:06 <Melanie_T> i'm not sure thar is wise
2015-11-11 04:07 <Melanie_T> 1st off, ubit hasn't yet confirmed it matches current sl behavior
2015-11-11 04:07 <diva> isn't that a viewer crash?
2015-11-11 04:07 <Melanie_T> 2nd off, it may break OSCC content 
2015-11-11 04:07 <Ubit> its not that mel
2015-11-11 04:07 <Melanie_T> oh, th first lenght patch
2015-11-11 04:07 <Melanie_T> by all means
2015-11-11 04:07 <diva> he's talking about this one on avn: 45ff7cec805755088dee3dc17f158e89f79bfeb5
2015-11-11 04:07 <Ubit> yeap
2015-11-11 04:07 <Melanie_T> get that
2015-11-11 04:08 <diva> ok, I think I have the plan then. Here I go
2015-11-11 04:08 <Melanie_T> k
2015-11-11 04:08 <Ubit> i didn't went to sl.. had a fight with terrain ufff
2015-11-11 04:09 <Melanie_T> merge master. merge avnmerge. merge the universe. publish the result as a paper. get funding.
2015-11-11 04:09 <Ubit> :)
2015-11-11 04:09 <diva> lol
2015-11-11 04:09 <diva> I am now trying that last part :)
2015-11-11 04:09 <diva> have a white paper that I've been shopping around. Hopefully it will happen
2015-11-11 04:10 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-BYzaDwNoE
2015-11-11 04:13 <Ubit> ( just for record i far from happy with my terrain sending code, possible with misterb method im just extending )
2015-11-11 04:18 <Ubit> err 8.2 has ode suport for var regions?
2015-11-11 04:20 <Ubit> if so:
2015-11-11 04:20 <Ubit> SHA-1: e2d7e6290d134e43fc9187de93afef43aa6234fa
2015-11-11 04:20 <Ubit> *  fix GetTerrainHeightAtXY also on master. Fix wrong active angularlock detection (it was only burning cpu), stop trying to add a amotor to each child part and fix a typo.
2015-11-11 04:22 <Ubit> errr
2015-11-11 04:23 <Ubit> yeap same hash on master
2015-11-11 04:23 <Ubit> oops
2015-11-11 04:23 <Ubit> SHA-1: e2d7e6290d134e43fc9187de93afef43aa6234fa
2015-11-11 04:24 <Ubit> ( same :) )
2015-11-11 04:41 <Ubit> ( the order cia reports commits is scary :) )
2015-11-11 04:41 <diva> yeah
2015-11-11 04:42 <diva> I"m going to make an rc2, let is sit there for a few days
2015-11-11 04:42 <diva> then make the release this weekend or so
2015-11-11 04:50 <Ubit> nice sl uses 1ms physics time step
2015-11-11 04:50 <Ubit> hmm variable? hmm
2015-11-11 04:51 <Ubit> guess that is not time step after all
2015-11-11 04:54 <Ubit> mel:  llTextBox: message too long, must be less than 512 characters
2015-11-11 04:54 <Ubit> sl bug.. its bytes :p
2015-11-11 04:55 <Ubit> well it did refuse to do the textbox
2015-11-11 04:58 <Ubit> yeap its bytes..  same error with 300 hearts
2015-11-11 04:59 <Ubit> (U+2665 char )
2015-11-11 05:00 <Ubit> we can only send a bit more than 150 hearts sniff sniff 
2015-11-11 05:00 <Ubit> :)
2015-11-11 05:04 <Ubit> llDialog: message too long, must be less than 512 characters
2015-11-11 05:05 <Ubit> ( with 200 hearts ) ll coders still thing ascii :)
2015-11-11 05:06 <Ubit> damm 
2015-11-11 05:06 <Ubit> llDialog: button labels must be 24 or fewer characters long its also bytes
2015-11-11 05:12 <Ubit> shell we abort the dialog or textbox or just truncate to the max values ?
2015-11-11 05:17 <diva> Ubit I didn't see the fps commit in here
2015-11-11 05:17 <diva> is it there?
2015-11-11 05:17 <Ubit> avn merge
2015-11-11 05:17 <diva> oh
2015-11-11 05:17 <diva> ok
2015-11-11 05:18 <Ubit> ohh
2015-11-11 05:18 <Ubit> i made it with more complex things by mistake i thing
2015-11-11 05:19 <Ubit> i was working on same file.. so.. well
2015-11-11 05:22 <nebadon> OSCC grid updated to master git
2015-11-11 05:22 <nebadon> want to see how it feels for a bit
2015-11-11 05:22 <nebadon> i just jumped around a lot checking stuff and it feels great so far
2015-11-11 05:23 <nebadon> feel free to hop around and take a look its open
2015-11-11 05:23 <nebadon> http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002
2015-11-11 05:23 <nebadon> for HG
2015-11-11 05:24 <diva> cool, I"ll test first thing tomorrow morning
2015-11-11 05:24 <diva> heck let me jump there right now before I go to bed
2015-11-11 05:24 <nebadon> hehe ok cool
2015-11-11 05:25 <diva> everytime I visit I have this nice cozy feeling :D
2015-11-11 05:25 <diva> it's such a nice environment, good vibe
2015-11-11 05:25 <nebadon> nice, thanks :)
2015-11-11 05:26 <nebadon> i just HG jumped in with OSgrid Avatar, so far so good
2015-11-11 05:26 <diva> me too
2015-11-11 05:26 <diva> went back home ok too
2015-11-11 05:26 <nebadon> nice
2015-11-11 05:26 <nebadon> looking good :)
2015-11-11 05:27 <nebadon> i teleported twice then home
2015-11-11 05:27 <Ubit> arrived there from avnmerge freshbugs region
2015-11-11 05:28 <Ubit> ( my test region)
2015-11-11 05:30 <Ubit> nice
2015-11-11 05:30 <Ubit> hmm the tables are really grey right ?
2015-11-11 05:31 <nebadon> not sure what tables you mean
2015-11-11 05:31 <Ubit> the gray ones !
2015-11-11 05:31 <nebadon> lolz
2015-11-11 05:31 <Ubit> ;)
2015-11-11 05:31 <Ubit> Bora Low Tables
2015-11-11 05:32 <nebadon> yea
2015-11-11 05:32 <Ubit> look like that luck plant
2015-11-11 05:32 <nebadon> they are
2015-11-11 05:32 <nebadon> with a glowing color edge
2015-11-11 05:32 <Ubit> yeap blue
2015-11-11 05:33 <nebadon> they vary
2015-11-11 05:40 <Ubit> hmm tp back to lbsa not working
2015-11-11 05:41 <Ubit> but well can be my net
2015-11-11 05:41 <nebadon> im hging to lbsa
2015-11-11 05:41 <nebadon> i made it
2015-11-11 05:41 <nebadon> with my CC avatar
2015-11-11 05:43 <Ubit> hmm closed a viewer.. my main osg avatar also not doing it
2015-11-11 05:43 <Ubit> went 1/3 the tp bar
2015-11-11 05:44 <Ubit> ohh now worked.. 
2015-11-11 06:23 <Ubit> odd how does sl have physics with 1ms time step and still be so bad ?
2015-11-11 06:24 <Ubit> and havoc does have ccd no much need of that 
2015-11-11 06:28 <Ubit> well guess its just a time spent not step
2015-11-11 06:28 <Ubit> actually we can have that stat
2015-11-11 06:29 <Ubit> mb tomorrow i replace the 20ms  by time taken by simulation part of ubOde
2015-11-11 06:30 <Ubit> and put "changes" processing on physics other
2015-11-12 18:14 <osmantis> Bug #7705:04 [PATCH] Changes to .ini.example files to improve instructions and workflow for standalone setups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7705 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-12 18:14 <osmantis> Bug #7705:04 [PATCH] Changes to .ini.example files to improve instructions and workflow for standalone setups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7705 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-11-12 18:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #4358 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-12 18:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4358: SUCCESS in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4358/
2015-11-12 18:27 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: Corrections to ini example files for standalones v2
2015-11-12 19:01 <osmantis> Bug #7738:04 Can only log in at host computer (port already opened based on online Port Check) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7738 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-12 22:05 <diva> Ubit, Melanie can the Normalized55FPS commit be ported clean to master/0.8.2?
2015-11-12 22:05 <diva> that seems like a good thing to allow people to decide whether to show the fake value or the real one
2015-11-12 22:06 <Ubit> yes  but my commit adding Normalized55FPS to avnmerge  got more code unrelated to it :(
2015-11-12 22:06 <Ubit> i was working on stats on same file sorry
2015-11-12 22:07 <diva> is it a straighforward thing?
2015-11-12 22:08 <Ubit> yeap  just on 2 files, OpenSimDefaults,  scene.cs and statsrepor????.cs
2015-11-12 22:08 <Ubit> 3 files :)
2015-11-12 22:08 <diva> can you give me the commit hashes, so I can see?
2015-11-12 22:08 <Ubit> or i can do it later on master if you prefer
2015-11-12 22:09 <diva> that'd be <3
2015-11-12 22:10 <Ubit> well need to merge last code added to master to avn :)
2015-11-12 22:10 <diva> okidoki
2015-11-12 22:13 <Ubit> hmm a also renamed  minFrameRate.. will not do it on master
2015-11-12 22:13 <Ubit> ir minFrameTime ?
2015-11-12 22:43 <Melanie_T> diva: why pull that to master now?
2015-11-12 22:43 <Melanie_T> the release is cut, I believe, so the next thing to do is to merge avnmerge down into master anyway
2015-11-12 22:43 <Melanie_T> we should do that within a few days
2015-11-12 22:43 <Melanie_T> and then it'll be in master
2015-11-12 22:46 <lkalif> Melanie_T: some reports dsy that some db tables get migrstrd but not creatred on an empty db
2015-11-12 22:47 <lkalif> ä test of thr branch code on an empty db would be in order
2015-11-12 22:48 <diva> lkalif on avnmerge branchor release?
2015-11-12 22:48 <diva> Melanie I think it's a good idea to give that option in the release.
2015-11-12 22:49 <diva> we don't need to change master itself, it can come with the avnmerge
2015-11-12 22:50 <lkalif> on avnmerge branch empty db does not get fully created on the first run was the claim
2015-11-12 22:50 <diva> k
2015-11-12 22:50 <Ubit> hmm those reports where on avnmerge or master ?
2015-11-12 22:51 <Melanie_T> diva: so you want to re-roll the release?
2015-11-12 22:51 <diva> Melanie 0.8.2 is the first time that FPS change goes into a release
2015-11-12 22:51 <diva> what do you mean reroll?
2015-11-12 22:51 <Melanie_T> just thought you'd not want to because the binaries are out already
2015-11-12 22:51 <Ubit> ( mantis 7737 is on master code )
2015-11-12 22:51 <diva> I haven't made a release yet just rc2
2015-11-12 22:51 <Melanie_T> aah ok
2015-11-12 22:51 <Melanie_T> thought you did
2015-11-12 22:51 <Melanie_T> then by all means let's pull it down
2015-11-12 22:51 <diva> no, I decided to give it a few more days. I'll do it this weekend
2015-11-12 22:51 <Melanie_T> that and my two last ones
2015-11-12 22:52 <Melanie_T> the next-to-last fixes a condition that arose from a misconception
2015-11-12 22:52 <Melanie_T> someone used RequestModuleInterface in a method that was called from a constructor
2015-11-12 22:52 <Melanie_T> at which time the module interface registry is always empty
2015-11-12 22:52 <diva> you guys are going to either give me commit hashes or do the pulling to master so I can merge to the release branch
2015-11-12 22:52 <Melanie_T> so the returned handle would always be null
2015-11-12 22:53 <Melanie_T> and my last one exposes the stuff to the viewers - important that that gets in so viewers can start adapting
2015-11-12 22:53 <Melanie_T> fine. mine will fit into master only after ubit has done his
2015-11-12 22:53 <Melanie_T> they use his new names....
2015-11-12 22:54 <lkalif> is avnmerge going to be 0.9?
2015-11-12 22:54 <Melanie_T> it may be
2015-11-12 22:54 <Melanie_T> it's worth a major version by it's size
2015-11-12 22:54 <Melanie_T> the change log will be a paperback :)
2015-11-12 22:54 <diva> yeah, not a bad idea
2015-11-12 22:54 <lkalif> there is enough change, yeah
2015-11-12 22:56 <lkalif> and 0.8.2 will have telepots compatible with 0.9?
2015-11-12 22:56 <diva> yes
2015-11-12 22:56 <lkalif> cool
2015-11-12 22:56 <diva> that's a fixed-point in the evolution of opensim: releases need to be backwards compatible on TPs at least 1 and ideally 2 releases back
2015-11-12 22:57 <diva> if they aren't, it's a bug that needs to be fixed
2015-11-12 22:58 <Melanie_T> 0.9 will work with all 0.8 and later 0.7
2015-11-12 22:59 <Melanie_T> everything using SIMULATION/0.3 and up in string format
2015-11-12 22:59 <Melanie_T> and 0.4 in the new numeric format
2015-11-12 22:59 <Melanie_T> 0.6 dies with 0.8.2
2015-11-12 23:00 <OtakuMegane> That thing is still alive? :P
2015-11-12 23:01 <Melanie_T> 0.6.9 can still tp to 0.8.1
2015-11-12 23:01 <Melanie_T> as long as the destination isn't var
2015-11-12 23:02 <OtakuMegane> Yeah. But why would that still matter...I know people have reasons for using really old versions but I never quite get it.
2015-11-12 23:02 <Melanie_T> well, it's a matter of upgrade effort
2015-11-12 23:03 <Melanie_T> i've been on OSX 10.8 forever
2015-11-12 23:03 <Melanie_T> now 10.11 is out and i just went to 10.10
2015-11-12 23:03 <Melanie_T> because that's mature enough now
2015-11-12 23:03 <Melanie_T> i don't like bleeding edge
2015-11-12 23:03 <Melanie_T> major issues cramp my workflow
2015-11-12 23:03 <Melanie_T> i guess it's the same with those grid operators who can't fix their own bugs
2015-11-12 23:04 <Melanie_T> rather, do their own bug fixing
2015-11-12 23:04 <Melanie_T> they may stay where it's safe
2015-11-12 23:05 <OtakuMegane> I guess. I understand holding back a couple releases but not for years on end. Only going to make an upgrade super painful.
2015-11-12 23:06 <OtakuMegane> Maybe just me lol. The only time I would stay on a very old version is if it's a dead/retired codebase I can modify at will and it happens to be the best fit for things.
2015-11-12 23:07 <Ubit> hmm
2015-11-12 23:08 <Ubit> why was :${Const|PublicPort}  removed from some uri  on the example files?
2015-11-12 23:08 <Ubit> that is correct ?
2015-11-12 23:08 <Melanie_T> git blame
2015-11-12 23:08 <Ubit> last comit on master...
2015-11-12 23:09 <Ubit> patchs from Ai Austin
2015-11-12 23:11 <Ubit> ;economy = ${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}/  --> ;economy = ${Const|BaseURL}/economy
2015-11-12 23:12 <Melanie_T> both about and economy are not provided by opensim
2015-11-12 23:12 <Melanie_T> they should not even use BaseURL
2015-11-12 23:12 <Melanie_T> but rather someserver.changeme.com
2015-11-12 23:12 <Melanie_T> because those reside on external web services
2015-11-12 23:14 <Ubit> well we had them there already, just with port :)
2015-11-12 23:16 <Melanie_T> Ubit: they should NOT have BaseURL
2015-11-12 23:16 <Melanie_T> that will cause requests to be sent to the knomes page
2015-11-12 23:16 <Melanie_T> which is not what one wants
2015-11-12 23:16 <Ubit> so i need to fix the patchs?
2015-11-12 23:16 <Melanie_T> the economy and about things are on a separate web server
2015-11-12 23:16 <Melanie_T> that the grid operator needs to provide
2015-11-12 23:17 <Melanie_T> there is no point in pointing them at the region server
2015-11-12 23:17 <Melanie_T> there is no sensible default for those
2015-11-12 23:17 <Ubit> so those entries where already there wrong..
2015-11-12 23:17 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-11-12 23:17 <Ubit> hmm can u plz fix them ?
2015-11-12 23:18 <Melanie_T> that was probably the result in someone going through everywhere where a sample URL was originallya nd putting consts references in
2015-11-12 23:18 <Ubit> since u know that wit eyes closed
2015-11-12 23:18 <Melanie_T> there is no point. 
2015-11-12 23:18 <Melanie_T> as i said
2015-11-12 23:18 <Melanie_T> no sensible default is possible
2015-11-12 23:18 <Melanie_T> ideally there should be a dummy string for legibility
2015-11-12 23:19 <Melanie_T> better yet would be to have those commented unless some grid actually uses them
2015-11-12 23:19 <Melanie_T> but i would have to review the code to see if commenting them would break things
2015-11-12 23:19 <Melanie_T> and i'm in the middle of recovering from a total system wipeout
2015-11-12 23:19 <Melanie_T> i lost all my installed apps and the operating system, keeping only my home dir
2015-11-12 23:19 <Melanie_T> so i have to rbuild the system around it
2015-11-12 23:20 <Ubit> the ones i see are comented
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2015-11-13 00:58 <osmantis> Bug #7174:04 [HYPERGRID LINKER] hop:// handling could be improved - Cannot hyperlink to regions on the same grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7174 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-13 01:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #4359 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-13 01:14 <Ubit> errr configration? ooops :)
2015-11-13 01:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4359: SUCCESS in 4 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4359/
2015-11-13 01:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add the option Normalized55FPS. This is transition code ported from avinationmerge branch. (configration file changes will be commited later)
2015-11-13 02:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #4360 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-13 02:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4360: SUCCESS in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4360/
2015-11-13 02:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  Add some values to the SimulatorFeatures cap's OpenSimExtras section relative to FPS statistics. This is transition code ported from avinationmerge.
2015-11-13 02:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #4361 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-13 02:19 <Ubit> tow? my keyboard is sleeping
2015-11-13 02:19 <Plugh> :)
2015-11-13 02:21 <AliciaRaven> w was on time, O just got there early :)
2015-11-13 02:21 <Ubit> :)
2015-11-13 02:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4361: SUCCESS in 4 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4361/
2015-11-13 02:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  configuration options relative to last tow commits
2015-11-13 02:26 <Ubit> err ??
2015-11-13 02:27 <Melanie_T> an "ours" beckmerge to keep history in sync
2015-11-13 02:27 <Melanie_T> backmerge
2015-11-13 02:28 <Ubit> ty
2015-11-13 02:32 <diva> so can I merge master to 0.8.2?
2015-11-13 02:32 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-11-13 02:32 <Melanie_T> ubit has done the adaptations
2015-11-13 02:34 <diva> I'll correct the English typos :-)
2015-11-13 02:34 <Ubit> ty
2015-11-13 02:38 <diva> can I pull down that config var to OpenSim.ini.example?
2015-11-13 02:39 <Melanie_T> you should not
2015-11-13 02:39 <Melanie_T> OpenSim.ini.example is for important stuff
2015-11-13 02:39 <Melanie_T> this isn't important
2015-11-13 02:39 <Melanie_T> who wants it will know enough to copy it in
2015-11-13 02:39 <Melanie_T> the average user won't care
2015-11-13 02:39 <Melanie_T> they'll just be happy their grid isn't showing as laggy anymore
2015-11-13 02:40 <Melanie_T> .ini.example should have those options that the average user is expected to change
2015-11-13 02:40 <Melanie_T> or that are based on macros
2015-11-13 02:40 <Melanie_T> because they won't expand from the defaultsfle
2015-11-13 02:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #4362 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-13 02:41 <diva> did you send that fisrt one up, Ubit?
2015-11-13 02:41 <Ubit> what ?
2015-11-13 02:41 <diva> I only changed OpenSimDefaults
2015-11-13 02:41 <Ubit> i also only changed that 
2015-11-13 02:41 <Melanie_T> diva: what did you change in defaults?
2015-11-13 02:42 <diva> typos
2015-11-13 02:42 <Ubit> your typos mel
2015-11-13 02:42 <Ubit> 
ACTION hides

2015-11-13 02:42 <Melanie_T> typos belong to the finder
2015-11-13 02:42 <Melanie_T> just like broken opensims
2015-11-13 02:42 <Melanie_T> the owner gets to keep both pieces
2015-11-13 02:42 <OtakuMegane> Mmm...pieces...
2015-11-13 02:43 <diva> I have no idea why cia shows b383cd
2015-11-13 02:43 <diva> that was already there
2015-11-13 02:43 <Melanie_T> just git artefacts
2015-11-13 02:43 <Melanie_T> don't worry
2015-11-13 02:43 <diva> Ubit is that one supposed to be in master?
2015-11-13 02:44 <Ubit> what is supposed to be in master ?
2015-11-13 02:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4362: SUCCESS in 4 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4362/
2015-11-13 02:45 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com:  fix cut points of UTF-8 strings
2015-11-13 02:45 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Fixed typos
2015-11-13 02:46 <diva> [18:40] <cia-opensim> opensim: ajlduarte * rb383cdae3396 OpenSim/Framework (Util.cs):
2015-11-13 02:46 <diva> [18:40] <cia-opensim>   fix cut points of UTF-8 strings
2015-11-13 02:46 <diva> [
2015-11-13 02:46 <diva> that
2015-11-13 02:46 <diva> I don't know why that was shown when I pushed
2015-11-13 02:46 <Melanie_T> as i said
2015-11-13 02:46 <Ubit> yeap..  viewers crash
2015-11-13 02:46 <Melanie_T> it's a git merge artefact
2015-11-13 02:46 <Melanie_T> that sometimes re-shows commits
2015-11-13 02:50 <Ubit> hmm i don't the utf-8 cut points ( or truncate ) on master
2015-11-13 02:50 <diva> ?
2015-11-13 02:51 <Melanie_T> ?
2015-11-13 02:52 <Ubit> never mind see it now
2015-11-13 15:34 <osmantis> Bug #7738:04 Can only log in at host computer (port already opened based on online Port Check) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7738 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-13 16:17 <osmantis> Bug #7405:04 Unable to HGTP home to a self-hosted region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7405 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-13 16:22 <osmantis> Bug #7725:04 Current Outfit folder and Current Appearance Issues (Firestorm) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7725 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-13 16:34 <osmantis> Bug #7738:04 Can only log in at host computer (port already opened based on online Port Check) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7738 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-11-13 16:46 <osmantis> Bug #7725:04 Current Outfit folder and Current Appearance Issues (Firestorm) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7725 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-13 16:48 <osmantis> Bug #7725:04 Current Outfit folder and Current Appearance Issues (Firestorm) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7725 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-11-13 16:56 <osmantis> Bug #7405:04 Unable to HGTP home to a self-hosted region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7405 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-13 17:10 <osmantis> Bug #7405:04 Unable to HGTP home to a self-hosted region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7405 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-13 18:15 <osmantis> Bug #7405:04 Unable to HGTP home to a self-hosted region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7405 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-13 20:28 <osmantis> Bug #7738:04 Can only log in at host computer (port already opened based on online Port Check) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7738 ): has been CLOSED
2015-11-13 20:31 <rodger> issue with opensim 8.3.0 dev cant find ode
2015-11-13 20:32 <rodger> opensim error http://pastebin.com/Pzy4QCDJ
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2015-11-14 10:34 <djphil_> Wow cool ... avatars morphing in virtuial world :)
2015-11-14 10:34 <djphil_> http://cool3dworld.com/
2015-11-14 10:36 <djphil_> and pretty facial animations
2015-11-14 11:32 <Ubit> rodger ping
2015-11-14 12:23 <djphil> ping Ubit
2015-11-14 12:23 <djphil> that the patch for text hover ?
2015-11-14 12:23 <djphil> https://github.com/opensim/opensim/commit/b383cdae339631d009a07cde4f10fcd3d61d9e77
2015-11-14 12:25 <Ubit> hmm ?
2015-11-14 12:25 <Ubit> yes ?
2015-11-14 12:25 <djphil> yeah the "dangerous bug" we have talk in PM
2015-11-14 12:26 <Ubit> what about it ?
2015-11-14 12:26 <djphil> nothing ... if you put the fix on master
2015-11-14 12:26 <Ubit> its on master and will be on next release
2015-11-14 12:27 <djphil> that fine, ry man!
2015-11-14 12:27 <djphil> ty*
2015-11-14 12:27 <Ubit> we will have those trees for christmas :)
2015-11-14 12:27 <djphil> yeah!!!
2015-11-14 12:28 <djphil> nice for LBSA plaza Freebee
2015-11-14 12:30 <Ubit> btw diva did the selection of patchs apply now
2015-11-14 12:30 <Ubit> we are a team ! :)
2015-11-14 14:00 <diva_> Ubit what patches?
2015-11-14 14:06 <Ubit> the ones you applied like that  utf-8 cut points
2015-11-14 14:15 <smxy> This has nothing to do with OpenSim ... but you may have (or not) noticed my silence the past dew weeks. My closest friend, of 27 years, died suddenly, October 21st. I was hs emergency medical contact and I'm his executor. Between wrapping up his life, which will take months, and still working my day job, I basically have no life now. I'm happy to do this for him, but essentially working 
2015-11-14 14:15 <smxy> 7 days a week, with no end in sight, isn't terribly fun. Hell, I haven't even had time to let it really hit me, that he's gone. Sigh. I miss him. :(
2015-11-14 14:15 <Ubit> Ohh :(
2015-11-14 16:15 <lkalif> smxy: sorry to hear that
2015-11-14 16:18 <diva> I"m sorry, smxy
2015-11-14 16:18 <diva> life sucks sometimes
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2015-11-15 08:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #4363 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-15 08:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4363: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4363/
2015-11-15 08:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix the protection for more Wearables than region suports
2015-11-15 20:12 <shyRobbiani> after upgrade from OpenSim 0.8.2.0 RC1 to OpenSim 0.8.2.0 RC2 my region is an empty default pin-head island. any idea on this? 
2015-11-15 20:17 <nebadon> UUID changed
2015-11-15 20:17 <nebadon> in Regions.ini
2015-11-15 20:17 <nebadon> would be the most likely reason anyway
2015-11-15 20:17 <nebadon> when you started it, did it go through setup again?
2015-11-15 20:17 <nebadon> its either that or the database changed
2015-11-15 20:18 <nebadon> or if you are running standalone with sqlite maybe you forgot to copy over the *.db in /bin
2015-11-15 20:18 <nebadon> I cant really think of any other reasons it would do that
2015-11-15 20:19 <nebadon> when you upgrade always start a new folder, unzip fresh, and copy over ini and db files from old version
2015-11-15 20:19 <nebadon> never unzip overtop
2015-11-15 20:19 <nebadon> it will end in pain
2015-11-15 20:21 <shyRobbiani> I'm using mysql and installed from scratch using the inis from the OSGrid page with my difications, but first start failed due to a typo so I reinstalled. I'll check the region id. 
2015-11-15 20:24 <shyRobbiani> the region
2015-11-15 20:25 <shyRobbiani> ... the RegionUUID in the Regions.ini and the db is the same. I will go back to RC1 and try again
2015-11-15 20:26 <nebadon> what about GridCommon.ini
2015-11-15 20:26 <nebadon> it has the correct DB?
2015-11-15 20:26 <nebadon> maybe you reused that file a bunch?
2015-11-15 20:26 <nebadon> and they are all pointing to same db?
2015-11-15 20:26 <nebadon> I have done that myself
2015-11-15 20:27 <shyRobbiani> yes... the db in GridCommon.ini was the first thing I checked
2015-11-15 20:27 <nebadon> odd im sure its something silly
2015-11-15 20:27 <nebadon> a typo or something somewhere
2015-11-15 20:27 <nebadon> I very much doubt this is a bug in the code
2015-11-15 20:28 <nebadon> been a lot of testing happening
2015-11-15 20:28 <nebadon> going back is good step 1
2015-11-15 20:28 <shyRobbiani> it's strange... I'll find out
2015-11-15 20:28 <nebadon> let me know when you do, im always interested in knowing
2015-11-15 20:29 <nebadon> easier to help the next person :)
2015-11-15 20:29 <shyRobbiani> of course
2015-11-15 21:20 <shyRobbiani> @nebadon: problem solved, it was my own config mistake. I inserted the content of GridCommon.ini twice by accident. the unmodified second half reset my changes to the database back to the default. 
2015-11-15 21:24 <nebadon> ahh
2015-11-15 21:24 <nebadon> i figured it would end up being something silly like that
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2015-11-16 03:33 <smxy> diva. lkalif: Thanks. And you're right, diva - sometimes it does. But it'll get better, eventually.
2015-11-16 03:57 <diva> Ubit and Melanie: merge away!
2015-11-16 04:01 <smxy> diva: don't you need to make Master be 0.8.3 now?
2015-11-16 04:01 <diva> it alredy is
2015-11-16 04:01 <smxy> ah, okay
2015-11-16 14:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #4364 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-11-16 17:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #4365 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4363 1 day 9 hr ago)
2015-11-16 17:37 <Ubit> oops failed ?
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2015-11-16 17:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  coment out excessive debug messages
2015-11-16 17:40 <Ubit> tests.. nice tests..
2015-11-16 18:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #4366 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4363 1 day 10 hr ago)
2015-11-16 18:20 <diva> Ubit was avn merged to master?
2015-11-16 18:20 <Ubit> yeap mel did it
2015-11-16 18:21 <diva> \o/
2015-11-16 18:21 <nebadon> oh really i missed that
2015-11-16 18:22 <JoeRadik> There was a lot of osjenkins chatter on opensim channel
2015-11-16 18:22 <nebadon> i seriusly need new computer to be here like yesterday
2015-11-16 18:22 <Ubit> yeap jenkins is unhappy now
2015-11-16 18:22 <nebadon> my laptop decided it had enough of this world
2015-11-16 18:23 <Ubit> come on jenkis tell me what you still don't like...
2015-11-16 18:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4366: STILL FAILING in 4 min 40 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4366/
2015-11-16 18:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' errors
2015-11-16 18:24 <Ubit> i can't run the tests here... so doing it the hard way :)
2015-11-16 18:25 <Ubit> ok one error still
2015-11-16 18:26 <Ubit> Oops  one on a ton of them
2015-11-16 18:26 <Ubit> bahh undo redo is not totally diferent
2015-11-16 18:27 <Ubit> .. is now..
2015-11-16 18:28 <Ubit> hmm odd this assets test
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2015-11-16 18:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' error: contents of link folders are no longer sent
2015-11-16 18:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #4368 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4363 1 day 10 hr ago)
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2015-11-16 18:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' error: normalization of <0,0,0> no longer causes argument exception
2015-11-16 19:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #4369 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4363 1 day 10 hr ago)
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2015-11-16 19:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' error: normalization of <0,0,0> no longer causes argument exception, missed a few more
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2015-11-16 20:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  deatach from backup on attachment
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2015-11-16 20:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' error: object crossing is async
2015-11-16 20:41 <nebadon> one function I wish we really had that Unity3D has is the ability to tell an object not to cast a shadow, that would be so amazingly useful
2015-11-16 20:54 <Melanie_> what for?
2015-11-16 21:00 <lkalif> it's a viewer thing anyway
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2015-11-16 21:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' error: object is deleted on DeRezObjects
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2015-11-16 21:11 <nebadon> yes its a viewer thing for sure
2015-11-16 21:12 <nebadon> but for certain thigns i dont need casting shadows
2015-11-16 21:12 <nebadon> like small plants
2015-11-16 21:12 <nebadon> i tend to do mesh road strips
2015-11-16 21:12 <nebadon> using shrinkwrap
2015-11-16 21:12 <nebadon> stripes*, parking lot stripes etc..
2015-11-16 21:12 <nebadon> super low poly but its monumentally easier than doing textures
2015-11-16 21:13 <nebadon> sometiems i do textures too and those cast shadows too even if its an overlay
2015-11-16 21:13 <nebadon> but like say you wanted to use a single flat mesh surface overlay to place graffiti on walls
2015-11-16 21:13 <nebadon> you dont want it casting shadows
2015-11-16 21:13 <nebadon> ugly and uses cycles
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2015-11-16 21:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  dont find parts of groups marked as Deleted
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2015-11-16 21:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' error: object is deleted on DeRezObjects, fix last commit side effects
2015-11-16 21:34 <Ubit> grrrr
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2015-11-16 21:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' error: internal GroupResize() doesn't heave Undo
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2015-11-16 22:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' errors: fix math
2015-11-16 22:47 <Ken_S> I just pulled today's dev master and saw tons of items for today.
2015-11-16 22:48 <Ken_S> Has avn branch been merged into dev master today?
2015-11-16 22:48 <nebadon> yes
2015-11-16 22:48 <Ken_S> OK great :)
2015-11-16 22:48 <Ken_S> So we need to be testing dev master now rather than avn branch?
2015-11-16 22:48 <Ubit> yeap
2015-11-16 22:49 <Ken_S> oki thanks!!!
2015-11-16 22:52 <Ken_S_> Sorry, irc timed out and closed right after I asked that last question...
2015-11-16 22:54 <OtakuMegane_> Oh cool, it's merged now?
2015-11-16 22:55 <Ubit> yeap having a fight with jenkins and... loosing lol
2015-11-16 22:55 <OtakuMegane_> lol
2015-11-16 22:55 <Ubit> brb
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2015-11-16 23:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' errors: dont use references to objects that may have been deleted
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2015-11-16 23:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' errors: backup is async
2015-11-16 23:42 <Ken_S_> The dev master is so different from yesterdays, make sure to pull into a fresh folder,
2015-11-16 23:56 <Melanie_> Ubit: please take extra note of the linking/delinking link set ordering
2015-11-16 23:56 <Melanie_> avination's was changed to be exactly like SL while core had it wrong
2015-11-16 23:57 <Melanie_> it's a good idea to test actual behavior in avnmerge and fix it if it deviates from the spec
2015-11-16 23:57 <Melanie_> then fix the test to match that
2015-11-16 23:58 <Melanie_> it's almost certain that the test as it is tests for the former broken master behavior
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2015-11-17 00:04 <Plugh> Odd. I don't see the merge. I just see merge of master to the avination branch.
2015-11-17 00:12 <Melanie_> git messed up the history
2015-11-17 00:12 <Melanie_> guess it choked on it
2015-11-17 00:13 <Melanie_> but all avn history is in master's history
2015-11-17 00:13 <Melanie_> what's not there is an explicit commit ref
2015-11-17 00:13 <Melanie_> but all commits are there and properly ordered
2015-11-17 00:14 <Ubit> hmm dont see errors about link order
2015-11-17 00:14 <Melanie_> ok
2015-11-17 00:14 <Melanie_> just make sure lin order is proper
2015-11-17 00:14 <Ubit> see some i don't understand still :)
2015-11-17 00:14 <Melanie_> it used to be wrong on master when linking two link sets
2015-11-17 00:14 <Melanie_> because SL defines a somewhat funny ordering
2015-11-17 00:14 <Melanie_> and opensim didn't use to do it quite that way
2015-11-17 00:15 <Ubit> that code should be "our" code
2015-11-17 00:31 <Plugh> The link ordering has been changed again when combining two sets of prims?
2015-11-17 00:32 <Plugh> Is that a fix for a regression in the avn merge?
2015-11-17 00:41 <Ubit> was fixed on avn, hopefully on avnmerge so now in master
2015-11-17 00:45 <Melanie_> Plugh: the link ordering fix is one that we had diverged too far to backport
2015-11-17 00:45 <Melanie_> so it's come in with this merge
2015-11-17 00:45 <Melanie_> i just wanted to make sure we don't suffer a regression
2015-11-17 00:45 <Melanie_> when i saw link related teste fail
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2015-11-17 00:50 <Ubit> yeap but that link test is related to store changes in backup
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2015-11-17 00:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  bug fix: StateSource of a SOG that is not a attachment is StateSource.PrimCrossing
2015-11-17 00:54 <Ubit> well was a bug but didn't made jenkins happier :)
2015-11-17 00:54 <Melanie_> he's been grumpy lately
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2015-11-17 01:15 <diva_> Melanie_ he's talking about attributes, doesn't sound like he modified the API as such
2015-11-17 01:15 <diva_> has anyone tried that script engine, btw?
2015-11-17 01:17 <Ubit> what script engine?
2015-11-17 01:18 <diva> LSL compiler
2015-11-17 01:18 <Ubit> not me, thing engine is still Xengine ?
2015-11-17 01:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #4380 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4363 1 day 17 hr ago)
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2015-11-17 01:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  bug fix: improve chat to child avatars. Still not good because of low resolution of child position updates
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2015-11-17 01:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' errors: suspend undo-redo tests until new ones can be written to conform to new code
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2015-11-17 01:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' errors: suspend sit on sittarget  until im not 2 sleepy to fix the math
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2015-11-17 02:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' errors: assets are modified by the test, on current code
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2015-11-17 03:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' errors: test for null cacheItems
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2015-11-17 03:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' errors: Coalesced objects handling has changed
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2015-11-17 03:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' errors: suspend TestllSetLinkPrimitiveParamsForAgent bc avatar sit math changed
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2015-11-17 03:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' errors: allow sitTargetposition and orientation to be read from OAR on opensim, they are reset at avination, this may cause issues with old sits
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2015-11-17 04:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' errors: add a httpserver
2015-11-17 04:26 <nebadon> Sisyphus is updated to master git
2015-11-17 04:52 <diva> Melanie something in the sit target coming form avination 'seems to have broken a thousand sit scripts
2015-11-17 04:53 <diva> that's going to be a massive disruption, we need to fix it
2015-11-17 05:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #4389 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4363 1 day 20 hr ago)
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2015-11-17 05:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix llRequestAgentData cache timeout
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2015-11-17 05:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' errors: terrain effects limits changed
2015-11-17 05:30 <nebadon> poor ubit stuck in unit test purgatory :P
2015-11-17 05:30 <Ubit> :)
2015-11-17 05:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #4391 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4363 1 day 21 hr ago)
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2015-11-17 05:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' errors: missing call to InventoryDeQueueAndDelete()
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2015-11-17 06:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' errors: a new event queue has a few null events
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2015-11-17 06:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' errors: a new event queue has a few null events
2015-11-17 06:30 <Ubit> rats
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2015-11-17 06:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' errors: AgentGroupDataUpdate is udp
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2015-11-17 06:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' errors: sp attachments and appearance are not in sync
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2015-11-17 07:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' errors: fix wrong parameters
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2015-11-17 08:09 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  remove unused parameter
2015-11-17 08:09 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  remove unused parameter - missing file
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2015-11-17 09:05 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' errors: UUID.Zero is a invalid ownerID
2015-11-17 09:05 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' errors: UUID.Zero is a invalid ownerID - missing file
2015-11-17 09:21 <gmc_> soooo i subscribed to the dev mailing list..
2015-11-17 09:21 <gmc_> my, what a fuss about something so bloody unimportant as fps statistics, compared to crashes on hypergrid teleports, memory leaks and general instability.. 
2015-11-17 09:22 <gmc_> 
ACTION <== Tom Frost btw

2015-11-17 09:23 <gmc_> anyway, my first objective.. i'm gonna see if i can implement a parameter for llSetKeyFramedMotion that lets you turn off the 'easing' of the animation, so that it is purely linear
2015-11-17 09:23 <JeffKelley> you can compute easing frames by script
2015-11-17 09:23 <Ubit> i may review keyframes one of this days...
2015-11-17 09:24 <Ubit> mk then make use of interpolators..
2015-11-17 09:25 <Ubit> cya later :)
2015-11-17 09:47 <gmc_> JeffKelley: care to elaborate? 
2015-11-17 12:50 <osmantis> Bug #7740:04 Misleading ScriptStopStrategy in OpenSim.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7740 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-17 12:51 <osmantis> Bug #7740:04 Misleading ScriptStopStrategy in OpenSim.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7740 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-11-17 15:44 <Melanie_> gmc_: llSetKeyframedMotion works exactly as specified by LL
2015-11-17 15:44 <Melanie_> gmc_: The "easing" is added by the viewer.
2015-11-17 15:45 <Melanie_> gmc_: Therefore, patches to change keyframe on the opensim side will not be accepted
2015-11-17 15:45 <Melanie_> we accept patches to fix bugs but not patches that take functionality further away from the specifcation
2015-11-17 17:25 <Plugh> Who here has made the switch to the FS Assets Service? How long does the import command take to run? Does it provide any stats when its done as to how many records were processed, assets saved, and the percentage of de-duplication? What impact does it have on DB performance during the import process?
2015-11-17 17:28 <AliciaRaven> Plugh, i have, it tells you how many assets but as for percentages and performance, u would have to work that out with your own mysql commands and some math
2015-11-17 17:29 <Plugh> Or I could patch the code to add the stats. :)
2015-11-17 17:29 <AliciaRaven> yep
2015-11-17 17:29 <Plugh> ok, thanks. I've got a test grid I can use to test the process.
2015-11-17 17:29 <AliciaRaven> dont forget to change the hg asset connector
2015-11-17 17:30 <Plugh> I don't do HG.
2015-11-17 17:30 <AliciaRaven> k
2015-11-17 17:32 <AliciaRaven> my asset data went from 8.7 to 4.9 GB, and there were 22,675 duplicates out of 127,820 assets
2015-11-17 17:32 <Plugh> ty
2015-11-17 17:32 <AliciaRaven> np
2015-11-17 17:32 <Plugh> Its hard to do that math when it takes so long to get a count of the number of records in the DB.
2015-11-17 17:33 <Plugh> Does it say how many assets were processed?
2015-11-17 17:33 <AliciaRaven> i think so, also every 100 or 1000 it prints a total sofar message
2015-11-17 17:34 <Plugh> ok. If it says how many asset records were processed then I can count the number of saved files and do the math.
2015-11-17 17:34 <Plugh> bbl. Lunch is ready.
2015-11-17 17:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #4399 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4363 2 days 9 hr ago)
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2015-11-17 17:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: start adding LegacySitOffsets option. TRUE will prevent the use of new math for the compensation of SL sittarget bug, and so not break content. (this is the main code change)
2015-11-17 18:00 <djphil> Ubit : About KeuframeMotion, ODE and Bullet
2015-11-17 18:00 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7167
2015-11-17 18:00 <djphil> llKeyframeMotion does not work like in SL
2015-11-17 18:00 <Ubit> ok ill look
2015-11-17 18:00 <djphil> ty man :)
2015-11-17 18:01 <Ubit> nopes no can do 
2015-11-17 18:01 <Ubit> at this moment we can't make the avatar be moved by the platform
2015-11-17 18:01 <djphil> yeah, i know ...
2015-11-17 18:02 <djphil> that the problem ! :p
2015-11-17 18:02 <Ubit> ill try to add more details on the mantis
2015-11-17 18:02 <Ubit> later :)
2015-11-17 18:02 <djphil> ok
2015-11-17 18:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #4400 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4363 2 days 10 hr ago)
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2015-11-17 18:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add LegacySitOffsets handling at LSL api
2015-11-17 18:26 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: Any idea how long it took to convert your grid over to fsassets?
2015-11-17 18:32 <AliciaRaven> im not sure Plugh, couple of hours i think
2015-11-17 18:33 <Plugh> ok. So I'm looking about closer to 24 hours or so.
2015-11-17 18:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #4401 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4363 2 days 10 hr ago)
2015-11-17 18:35 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: Did you notice much of an impact on your grid during the migration process?
2015-11-17 18:37 <AliciaRaven> not really but then i was just standing not doing anything in world
2015-11-17 18:37 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-11-17 18:37 <Plugh> I have a rather large database to convert. I'm doing a mysqldump of it and that seems to be having some impact on the grid performance.
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2015-11-17 18:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add LegacySitOffsets option to configuration file
2015-11-17 18:42 <osmantis> Bug #7167:04 [BulletSim] : llSetKeyframedMotion no 100% working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7167 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-17 18:42 <Ubit> err forgot to tell that isnt keyframes thing only
2015-11-17 18:43 <Ubit> well its implied.. if you can read my "english"
2015-11-17 18:46 <Ubit> hmm 3 erros still hmm
2015-11-17 21:04 <djphil> Tank you for comment Ubit, hope that soon possible :)
2015-11-17 22:30 <osmantis> Bug #7741:04 ODE: starting with existing regions generates a fatal error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7741 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-17 22:38 <osmantis> Bug #7741:04 ODE: starting with existing regions generates a fatal error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7741 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-17 22:39 <osmantis> Bug #7741:04 ODE: starting with existing regions generates a fatal error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7741 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-17 23:19 <osmantis> Bug #7741:04 ODE: starting with existing regions generates a fatal error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7741 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-17 23:24 <osmantis> Bug #7741:04 ODE: starting with existing regions generates a fatal error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7741 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-17 23:26 <osmantis> Bug #7741:04 ODE: starting with existing regions generates a fatal error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7741 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-17 23:29 <diva> Melanie_ ping
2015-11-17 23:30 <Melanie_> pong
2015-11-17 23:31 <diva> hi
2015-11-17 23:32 <diva> so I heard that the avination meger code is bringing a massive disruption to sit targets. Can we fix that?
2015-11-17 23:32 <Melanie_> i asked ubit to put in a flag and he did
2015-11-17 23:32 <diva> <3 you 
2015-11-17 23:32 <Melanie_> i'm not happy with the flag being set to the old code by default because it's massively inferior
2015-11-17 23:32 <diva> I'd send an emoji hug, but I don't know how to do emojis here :)
2015-11-17 23:33 <Melanie_> i believe new users who have no existing builds should be led, by the new code being the default, to create for the correct sit targets
2015-11-17 23:33 <diva> please.... I don't want to change the 100 chairs on my vlab!...
2015-11-17 23:33 <Melanie_> with the option allowing sit intensive applications like oscc to not need to remodel every seat
2015-11-17 23:33 <Melanie_> but seeing to it that new installations start off with the new code
2015-11-17 23:34 <Melanie_> the old code doesn't even take avatar height into account, therefore it places large awatars inside the seat and small ones hover above it
2015-11-17 23:34 <diva> unrealted: did you try that LSL compiler? That guy sounds really good. Is the compiler good too?
2015-11-17 23:34 <Melanie_> the code we merged handles that correctly,a mong many others things, and is 100% SL compatible
2015-11-17 23:34 <Melanie_> so i believe the default for that option should be off, so the new code is used by default
2015-11-17 23:35 <Melanie_> i didn't try it personally but the approach is sound and i want it for core
2015-11-17 23:35 <Melanie_> so i've been talking to the guy to shape it up for inclusion
2015-11-17 23:35 <diva> someone should try it out. Is it just the compiler or is it a scripting engine too?
2015-11-17 23:35 <Melanie_> he's happy to get inclusion and it's bsd
2015-11-17 23:35 <Melanie_> compiler
2015-11-17 23:35 <diva> who knows, maybe he'll get inspired and do another scripting engine too! :)
2015-11-17 23:35 <Melanie_> the main thing is that this compiler has a real code generator
2015-11-17 23:36 <Melanie_> one that is able to handle the special considerations of the LSL definition and the guy who made it is very much aware of the possible pitfalls and how to work around them
2015-11-17 23:37 <diva> yeah, and he sounds really nice to work with too. I hope the compiler is as good as it sounds
2015-11-17 23:37 <Melanie_> i would think it is
2015-11-17 23:37 <Melanie_> just from the level of expertise he shows in discussion
2015-11-17 23:40 <Melanie_> i'm actually quite excited about the compiler
2015-11-17 23:40 <Melanie_> it will definitely figure in my upcoming tests
2015-11-17 23:40 <diva> great
2015-11-17 23:41 <Melanie_> we will have to do some in-depth testing to make sure merging with core doesn't introduce regressions for avination
2015-11-17 23:41 <Ubit> you mean for opensim...
2015-11-17 23:42 <Melanie_> no,i mean that running this new code n avination itself won't break things there
2015-11-17 23:44 <Plugh> I'm interested in compilers and want to check out that new system from that guy. I need to get a merge conflict with master resolved before I can get around to doing any testing. There are some things I want to test with that new code.
2015-11-17 23:44 <Plugh> s/new code/new compiler/
2015-11-17 23:58 <osmantis> Bug #7741:04 ODE: starting with existing regions generates a fatal error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7741 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-11-18 00:12 <osmantis> Bug #7741:04 ODE: starting with existing regions generates a fatal error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7741 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-18 01:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #4402 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4363 2 days 16 hr ago)
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2015-11-18 01:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' errors: dont expect a particular http error response
2015-11-18 01:10 <Ubit> yeahh down to 2
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2015-11-18 12:06 <osmantis> Bug #7742:04 Sim border crossing from 0.8.2 to 0.8.3-dev fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7742 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-18 14:38 <osmantis> Bug #7741:04 ODE: starting with existing regions generates a fatal error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7741 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-18 14:39 <mheilman> I am doing some work with meshes as they are stored in the asset database.  Can anyone direct me on how that is formatted?  I believe I am getting the offsets and sizes correctly, but how the data is packed is currently a mystery.
2015-11-18 14:55 <osmantis> Bug #7742:04 Sim border crossing from 0.8.2 to 0.8.3-dev fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7742 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-18 16:05 <osmantis> Bug #7741:04 ODE: starting with existing regions generates a fatal error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7741 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-18 16:10 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-18 16:32 <osmantis> Bug #7741:04 ODE: starting with existing regions generates a fatal error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7741 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-18 17:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #4403 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4363 3 days 9 hr ago)
2015-11-18 17:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4403: STILL FAILING in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4403/
2015-11-18 17:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix another variable number of wearable types issue
2015-11-18 17:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #4404 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4363 3 days 9 hr ago)
2015-11-18 17:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4404: STILL FAILING in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4404/
2015-11-18 17:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  cleanup indentation
2015-11-18 19:46 <jakdaniels_> unit, I have been writing some stuff to improve the load oar command - to allow it to load pieces of a larger oar into a smaller region and handle parcel data correctly etc. I had it working in pre avn master and have now got the code into the new master.
2015-11-18 19:47 <jakdaniels_> *ubit
2015-11-18 19:47 <jakdaniels_> pre avn the parcel data would appear after the load oar
2015-11-18 19:47 <jakdaniels_> now I need to make another parcel before you can see any other parcels
2015-11-18 19:47 <Ubit> ok
2015-11-18 19:47 <Ubit> hm ?
2015-11-18 19:47 <jakdaniels_> is there a call I can make at the end of parcel restore to force sending parcel data to the viewer?
2015-11-18 19:48 <Ubit> dont remember
2015-11-18 19:48 <Ubit> after relog its ok ?
2015-11-18 19:48 <jakdaniels_> yes, and also if i use the viewer to create another parcel, then they all appear
2015-11-18 19:49 <Ubit> yeap sounds like the update is missing
2015-11-18 19:49 <jakdaniels_> so something now is not sending an update after the load oar (parcel restore part)
2015-11-18 19:49 <jakdaniels_> there is a: scene.EventManager.TriggerIncomingLandDataFromStorage(landData);
2015-11-18 19:49 <jakdaniels_> after the parcels are restored...
2015-11-18 19:50 <Ubit> don't remember . check code in scenepresence.cs completmovment  there is a call there
2015-11-18 19:50 <jakdaniels_> but something has changed since avn merge I think
2015-11-18 19:50 <jakdaniels_> ok I will look .... ty
2015-11-18 20:32 <osmantis> Bug #7741:04 ODE: starting with existing regions generates a fatal error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7741 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-18 20:46 <osmantis> Bug #7741:04 ODE: starting with existing regions generates a fatal error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7741 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-18 20:52 <osmantis> Bug #7741:04 ODE: starting with existing regions generates a fatal error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7741 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-11-19 01:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #4405 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4363 3 days 17 hr ago)
2015-11-19 01:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4405: STILL FAILING in 4 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4405/
2015-11-19 01:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' errors: add a DefaultPermitions module to sceneB
2015-11-19 01:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #4406 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4363 3 days 17 hr ago)
2015-11-19 01:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4406: STILL FAILING in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4406/
2015-11-19 01:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' errors: just a test
2015-11-19 02:19 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-19 02:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #4407 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4363 3 days 18 hr ago)
2015-11-19 02:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4407: STILL FAILING in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4407/
2015-11-19 02:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' errors: reset the event at start of new test.
2015-11-19 02:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #4408 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4363 3 days 18 hr ago)
2015-11-19 02:53 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-11-19 02:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4408: FIXED in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4408/
2015-11-19 02:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around some 'tests' errors: use one autoresetevent per scene
2015-11-19 02:53 <Ubit> 
ACTION dies

2015-11-19 02:55 <Dev_Random> dibs on Ubit's stuff.
2015-11-19 02:56 <Ubit> well now lets see REAL bugs :)
2015-11-19 03:05 <OtakuMegane> Not a ton reported yet but it's only been a couple days so far. :P
2015-11-19 03:06 <JoeRadik> I'm not a Jenkins expert, but does that mean Ubit fixed a lot of stuff?
2015-11-19 03:06 <Ubit> xiuuu don't bring  bad luck OtakuMegane :)
2015-11-19 03:07 <Ubit> meaningless stuff Joe
2015-11-19 03:07 <JoeRadik> If you say so...
2015-11-19 03:07 <Ubit> well low meaning :)
2015-11-19 03:07 <Ubit> its was needed to have jienkins happy and bins
2015-11-19 03:08 <OtakuMegane> It's kind of a consistency thing, making sure certain functions still work. It doesn't guarantee if OS itself will actually run properly or not.
2015-11-19 03:09 <Ubit> yeap
2015-11-19 03:09 <JoeRadik> I and many others, I'm sure, appreciate all the work you have done recently.
2015-11-19 03:09 <OtakuMegane> Like if 1 + 1 = 3 then something probably is wrong. XD
2015-11-19 03:09 <Ubit> well in the middle one or 2 tests where right ;)
2015-11-19 03:09 <Ubit> ( don't tell i said this.. )
2015-11-19 03:09 <nebadon> viewgit downloads are fixed
2015-11-19 03:10 <nebadon> if anyone here is interested :)
2015-11-19 03:11 <OtakuMegane> Only major issues I've run into is the hang-on-stop w/Linux which is on mantis already. And for me at least master didn't seem to like mono 3.12.1, but things worked fine when I upgraded to 4.
2015-11-19 03:11 <Ubit> hang-on-stop ?
2015-11-19 03:12 <OtakuMegane> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743
2015-11-19 03:12 <Ubit> ahh doesn't terminate
2015-11-19 03:12 <OtakuMegane> Yeah, probably a better description lol
2015-11-19 03:12 <Ubit> yeap seen that mantis
2015-11-19 03:12 <Ubit> but im on win and it does terminate :)
2015-11-19 03:13 <OtakuMegane> Otherwise what little I've tested in-world seems good. Border crossings are real nice. :) Not perfect but better than I've ever seen on OS or SL.
2015-11-19 03:13 <Ubit> also can be a module or something
2015-11-19 03:13 <Ubit> worse on crossings is that they still do a lot of http to grid
2015-11-19 03:13 <Ubit> in the middle
2015-11-19 03:14 <Ubit> well 2 or 3 calls :)
2015-11-19 03:14 <Ubit>  a lot in the context ;)
2015-11-19 03:14 <Ubit> also 2  inter regions
2015-11-19 03:18 <OtakuMegane> Got some of my instances upgraded, the rest I'm leaving on pre-merge for now. I'll try playing with stuff some more this week.
2015-11-19 03:18 <Ubit> dont like that mantis about ode crash
2015-11-19 03:19 <Ubit> sounds like related to several scenes on a instance
2015-11-19 03:19 <OtakuMegane> IRC module btw works beautifully now so people can try it out again. :)
2015-11-19 03:19 <Ubit> :)
2015-11-19 03:20 <nebadon> that is in core?
2015-11-19 03:20 <Ubit> irc ? yeap
2015-11-19 03:21 <nebadon> the fixes though?
2015-11-19 03:21 <Ubit> yeap me and OtakuMegane did them
2015-11-19 03:21 <OtakuMegane> Yeah, we put them in while merge was still branched.
2015-11-19 03:21 <nebadon> nice, thanks guys
2015-11-19 03:21 <nebadon> ah cool i missed that
2015-11-19 03:21 <OtakuMegane> Well, was lots going on. :)
2015-11-19 03:24 <OtakuMegane> Hmm, dunno about that ODE mantis. Haven't used it since Bullet was made default.
2015-11-19 03:25 <Ubit> actually was ubOde
2015-11-19 03:26 <Ubit> but problem seems on the updated ode.dll
2015-11-19 03:26 <Ubit> ( so may afect both )
2015-11-19 03:26 <Ubit> i asked to test with previus dll lets see
2015-11-19 03:27 <Ubit> last ode has a kinda of threading
2015-11-19 03:27 <Ubit> i did disable it.. but error seems to be on it
2015-11-19 05:28 <nebadon> updated my raspberry po region to master 
2015-11-19 05:29 <nebadon> seems to be running great "OKC Raspberry Pi2" on OSgrid
2015-11-19 05:32 <nebadon> http://opensimworld.com/hop/75034-OKC-Raspberry-Pi2/
2015-11-19 12:34 <osmantis> Bug #7742:04 Sim border crossing from 0.8.2 to 0.8.3-dev fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7742 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-19 12:48 <osmantis> Bug #7739:04 [XENGINE] Crash Leading to Continous Loop and stack overflow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7739 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-11-19 13:35 <osmantis> Bug #7739:04 [XENGINE] Crash Leading to Continous Loop and stack overflow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7739 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-19 13:45 <osmantis> Bug #7744:04 Enhancements to 'load oar' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7744 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-19 13:48 <osmantis> Bug #7744:04 Enhancements to 'load oar' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7744 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-11-19 13:51 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-19 13:59 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-19 14:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #4409 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2015-11-19 14:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4409: SUCCESS in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4409/
2015-11-19 14:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ClearPartAttachmentData before adding object to scene, not after
2015-11-19 15:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #4410 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-19 15:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4410: SUCCESS in 4 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4410/
2015-11-19 15:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: clean code a bit
2015-11-19 15:47 <osmantis> Bug #7741:04 ODE: starting with existing regions generates a fatal error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7741 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-19 15:49 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-19 16:04 <osmantis> Bug #7742:04 Sim border crossing from 0.8.2 to 0.8.3-dev fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7742 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-11-19 16:04 <BeyBar> Just caught sight of this (new non-profit virtual world society being established), might be of interest to some here: http://virtualworldsociety.org/wordpress1/
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2015-11-19 16:16 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-19 16:42 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-19 19:09 <gmc_> hmm apparently someone highlighted me here, but my scrollback doesn't scroll back enough :)
2015-11-19 19:33 <LiruCookies> gmc_: My logs shows this
2015-11-19 19:33 <LiruCookies> 10:44 < Melanie_> gmc_: llSetKeyframedMotion works exactly as specified by LL
2015-11-19 19:33 <LiruCookies> 10:44 < Melanie_> gmc_: The "easing" is added by the viewer.
2015-11-19 19:33 <LiruCookies> 10:45 < Melanie_> gmc_: Therefore, patches to change keyframe on the opensim side will not be accepted
2015-11-19 20:07 <diva> gmc_, Melanie_ I didn't catch the context of this, but any function starting with ll* is supposed to mimic their semantics in SL. We have another series of functions, os*, that  deviate from that
2015-11-19 20:28 <LiruCookies> diva: gmc_ was going to add a parameter that made the easing optional or something.
2015-11-19 20:28 <LiruCookies> And yeah, gmc_ could do that as an os* function
2015-11-19 21:14 <gmc_> well, melanie has spoken, i'll just leave it alone and go spend my time on other things then
2015-11-19 21:14 <gmc_> bye!
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2015-11-19 21:30 <Melanie_> there can't be an "easing" parameter because that is viewerside
2015-11-19 21:30 <Melanie_> we don't even apply easing at all
2015-11-19 21:30 <Melanie_> people.... tsk tsk tsk
2015-11-19 21:37 <osmantis> Bug #7745:04 llRegionSayTo() echos 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7745 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-19 21:39 <osmantis> Bug #7745:04 llRegionSayTo() echos 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7745 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007330.
2015-11-19 21:39 <osmantis> Bug #7330:04 llRegionSayTo() now says it twice... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7330 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007745.
2015-11-19 21:39 <osmantis> Bug #7745:04 llRegionSayTo() echos 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7745 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-19 21:56 <Ubit> ooops echos ?
2015-11-19 22:12 <OtakuMegane_> Yeah, sure enough it does say things twice.
2015-11-19 22:12 <Ubit> yeap see it
2015-11-19 22:12 <OtakuMegane_> llSay is still fine though
2015-11-19 22:12 <Ubit> yeap
2015-11-19 22:12 <Ubit> ( already a script with the several variants ;) )
2015-11-19 22:13 <Ubit> but we all know that french resistance lady lies.. she does say things more than once
2015-11-19 22:14 <Ubit> ( from the tv "Allo Allo"  tv thing )
2015-11-20 00:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #4411 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-20 00:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4411: SUCCESS in 5 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4411/
2015-11-20 00:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove duplicate object chat messages ( mantis 7745 ),fix llRegionSay, this are still merge issues
2015-11-20 00:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #4412 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-20 00:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4412: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4412/
2015-11-20 00:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove unused return value on DeliverMessageTo()
2015-11-20 00:16 <osmantis> Bug #7745:04 llRegionSayTo() echos 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7745 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-11-20 00:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #4413 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-20 00:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4413: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4413/
2015-11-20 00:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubOde: add threading related calls new ode.dll may need. Hope this doesn't break with current linux ode library
2015-11-20 00:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #4414 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-20 00:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4414: SUCCESS in 4 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4414/
2015-11-20 00:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change a log message from error to just Debug
2015-11-20 00:58 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-20 00:59 <osmantis> Bug #7741:04 ODE: starting with existing regions generates a fatal error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7741 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-20 01:31 <osmantis> Bug #7739:04 [XENGINE] Crash Leading to Continous Loop and stack overflow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7739 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-20 01:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #4415 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-20 01:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4415: SUCCESS in 4 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4415/
2015-11-20 01:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make llAvatarOnLinkSitTarget(0) return UUID.Zero
2015-11-20 02:54 <osmantis> Bug #7745:04 llRegionSayTo() echos 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7745 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-11-20 03:15 <osmantis> Bug #7725:04 Current Outfit folder and Current Appearance Issues (Firestorm) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7725 ): has been CLOSED
2015-11-20 03:19 <osmantis> Bug #7745:04 llRegionSayTo() echos 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7745 ): has been CLOSED
2015-11-20 11:58 <osmantis> Bug #7744:04 Enhancements to 'load oar' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7744 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-20 12:10 <osmantis> Bug #7740:04 Misleading ScriptStopStrategy in OpenSim.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7740 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-20 12:33 <osmantis> Bug #7744:04 Enhancements to 'load oar' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7744 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-20 13:19 <osmantis> Bug #7741:04 ODE: starting with existing regions generates a fatal error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7741 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-20 14:03 <osmantis> Bug #7744:04 Enhancements to 'load oar' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7744 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-20 14:39 <grasshopper> Hello did anybody instaló luminarias on iPad pro
2015-11-20 15:02 <osmantis> Bug #7741:04 ODE: starting with existing regions generates a fatal error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7741 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-20 15:04 <Ubit> jak the patchs will take some time to "digest" :)
2015-11-20 15:05 <jakdaniels_> ok Ubit, no rush.... I've tried to separate them.... the first 3 patches should not change any existing functionality, merely adds code to those modules
2015-11-20 15:05 <nebadon> jakdaniels_ did you volunteer for OSCC this year?
2015-11-20 15:05 <jakdaniels_> the last patch is what changes the load oar behaviour
2015-11-20 15:05 <jakdaniels_> yes neb
2015-11-20 15:06 <nebadon> great! you can handle flags?
2015-11-20 15:06 <nebadon> let me know if you do need anything, im a bit crippled at the moment, my laptop died
2015-11-20 15:06 <nebadon> im waiting on new parts to arrive for new computer
2015-11-20 15:06 <jakdaniels_> yes.... if you can give me the perms I had last year I can change all the banner everywhere quickly :)
2015-11-20 15:06 <nebadon> hope to be back in business by end of the weekend
2015-11-20 15:06 <nebadon> you should already have same perms 
2015-11-20 15:06 <nebadon> i never undid anything
2015-11-20 15:07 <nebadon> if not let me know
2015-11-20 15:07 <nebadon> i'll fix you up
2015-11-20 15:07 <jakdaniels_> I tried running the scipt that sets the flags texture... it could read from the notecard... some os function perms missing I think
2015-11-20 15:07 <jakdaniels_> *it couldn't*
2015-11-20 15:08 <nebadon> oh hrmm
2015-11-20 15:08 <jakdaniels_> maybe just one or two regions like that.... I'll check again and let you know?
2015-11-20 15:08 <nebadon> that should be the same too
2015-11-20 15:08 <nebadon> oh was it temp1 and temp2?
2015-11-20 15:08 <nebadon> ignore those for now if so
2015-11-20 15:08 <nebadon> those are for us to clean up so we can share the oars
2015-11-20 15:08 <nebadon> if its other regions that would be odd, I dont think i changed it
2015-11-20 15:08 <nebadon> but
2015-11-20 15:08 <nebadon> maybe the grid upgrade changed something too
2015-11-20 15:09 <jakdaniels_> hmmm... let me go check now... will take me a few mins to see what didn't work
2015-11-20 15:09 <nebadon> oh
2015-11-20 15:09 <nebadon> make sure you have presenter group active
2015-11-20 15:09 <nebadon> remeber everything is presenter group for scripts
2015-11-20 15:09 <jakdaniels_> so not staff or builders?
2015-11-20 15:09 <nebadon> right
2015-11-20 15:09 <nebadon> because of the presentation board hud
2015-11-20 15:09 <nebadon> the presenters group has to be able to run scripts
2015-11-20 15:09 <nebadon> cant have multiple groups
2015-11-20 15:09 <nebadon> unfortunately
2015-11-20 15:10 <nebadon> we should add that at some point
2015-11-20 15:10 <nebadon> multigroup controls
2015-11-20 15:10 <jakdaniels_> hmmm, I'm not in that group
2015-11-20 15:10 <nebadon> even if its only controlled via simulator
2015-11-20 15:10 <nebadon> ahh
2015-11-20 15:10 <nebadon> do you have god powers?
2015-11-20 15:10 <jakdaniels_> Attendees, Builders, Staff and VIP
2015-11-20 15:10 <jakdaniels_> no
2015-11-20 15:11 <jakdaniels_> just tried on sandbox
2015-11-20 15:11 <nebadon> I sent you group invite
2015-11-20 15:11 <jakdaniels_> got it
2015-11-20 15:12 <nebadon> ok hopefully that helps
2015-11-20 15:12 <nebadon> be sure top check the land settings
2015-11-20 15:12 <nebadon> to see what group owns the land
2015-11-20 15:12 <nebadon> whatever group that is you will need active
2015-11-20 15:12 <nebadon> most places its presenters
2015-11-20 15:12 <nebadon> but im not sure about landing zones
2015-11-20 15:13 <nebadon> that may be builders group
2015-11-20 15:13 <nebadon> or something else staff
2015-11-20 15:15 <jakdaniels_> i'm on sandbox.... running the script that sets the sign textures...
2015-11-20 15:15 <jakdaniels_> osMakeNotecard permission denied
2015-11-20 15:15 <jakdaniels_> osGetNotecard too
2015-11-20 15:16 <nebadon> hmm
2015-11-20 15:16 <nebadon> i wonder if thats just sandbox
2015-11-20 15:16 <nebadon> give me a moment
2015-11-20 15:16 <jakdaniels_> I had these perms before, but then I think you locked it down just b4 OSCC14 started
2015-11-20 15:17 <nebadon> you need to be estate manager
2015-11-20 15:17 <nebadon> 1 sec
2015-11-20 15:17 <jakdaniels_> ah yes
2015-11-20 15:20 <nebadon> ok you might have to relog 
2015-11-20 15:20 <nebadon> try again
2015-11-20 15:20 <nebadon> I also might have to restart regions
2015-11-20 15:20 <nebadon> since you already visited as a non estate manager
2015-11-20 15:20 <nebadon> im not sure
2015-11-20 15:20 <nebadon> I added you as estate manager everywhere I think
2015-11-20 15:20 <nebadon> let me verify keynotes
2015-11-20 15:20 <jakdaniels_> script works now and god powers too, but I will relog just incase
2015-11-20 15:22 <nebadon> great
2015-11-20 15:22 <nebadon> ok i doubled checked you are active grid wide now
2015-11-20 15:22 <jakdaniels_> ok thanks. U going to the OSCC meeting later?
2015-11-20 15:23 <nebadon> yes
2015-11-20 15:23 <jakdaniels_> ok, I'll start changing the banners in a bit then :)
2015-11-20 15:24 <nebadon> thanks
2015-11-20 15:24 <nebadon> you have the texture template already?
2015-11-20 15:26 <jakdaniels_> yes i do. Wow, that is such a satisfying feeling, clicking the button and all the banners on the whole region change :)
2015-11-20 15:27 <jakdaniels_> flag banners I mean
2015-11-20 15:29 <nebadon> haha ya
2015-11-20 15:32 <jakdaniels_> hmm shopping zone is not working... let me try in god mode
2015-11-20 15:35 <osmantis> Bug #7740:04 Misleading ScriptStopStrategy in OpenSim.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7740 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-20 15:35 <jakdaniels_> nebadon can you restart the shopping zone?... sign scripts are not working right
2015-11-20 15:37 <nebadon> hmm ok
2015-11-20 15:38 <jakdaniels_> also can't do anything in keynotes...
2015-11-20 15:38 <nebadon> that region is Staff Group 
2015-11-20 15:38 <nebadon> maybe why?
2015-11-20 15:39 <jakdaniels_> no scripts, no building no god powers
2015-11-20 15:40 <nebadon> at Shopping?
2015-11-20 15:40 <jakdaniels_> at shopping I have those powers but sign script are not responding
2015-11-20 15:40 <jakdaniels_> *scripts
2015-11-20 15:43 <nebadon> i purged the script dlls for that region
2015-11-20 15:43 <nebadon> its restarting
2015-11-20 15:43 <jakdaniels_> keynotes and landing zones... I have no rights to do anything still, doesn't seem to matter what group I'm in
2015-11-20 15:43 <nebadon> ok
2015-11-20 15:43 <nebadon> lets get this working first
2015-11-20 15:43 <jakdaniels_> ok yes...
2015-11-20 15:43 <jakdaniels_> sandbox worked ok ;)
2015-11-20 15:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #4416 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-20 16:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4416: SUCCESS in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4416/
2015-11-20 16:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change ScriptStopStrategy to the default value co-op (mantis 7740
2015-11-20 16:59 <osmantis> Bug #7741:04 ODE: starting with existing regions generates a fatal error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7741 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-20 18:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #4417 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-20 18:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4417: FAILURE in 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4417/
2015-11-20 18:30 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  remove the hard to maintain Ode.Net wrapper only in use by old ode
2015-11-20 18:30 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  remove Ode.Net - missing files. ( old ode may be broken now)
2015-11-20 18:37 <Ubit> FAILURE ? 
2015-11-20 18:38 <Ubit> it says no failure on page
2015-11-20 18:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #4418 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4416 2 hr 54 min ago)
2015-11-20 18:42 <nebadon> im retriggering test
2015-11-20 18:43 <Ubit> ty
2015-11-20 18:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4418: STILL FAILING in 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4418/
2015-11-20 18:43 <LiruCookies> Ubit: There are errors at the bottom of that output
2015-11-20 18:44 <LiruCookies>   [csc] /home/jenkins/jobs/opensim/workspace/MONO_VERSION/mono-2.10.8.1/OpenSim/Region/PhysicsModules/Ode/OdeScene.cs(1546,32): error CS0246: The type or namespace name `d' could not be found. Are you missing a using directive or an assembly reference?
2015-11-20 18:44 <LiruCookies>                   [csc] Compilation failed: 21 error(s), 2 warnings
2015-11-20 18:44 <LiruCookies>             
2015-11-20 18:44 <LiruCookies>             BUILD FAILED - 0 non-fatal error(s), 26 warning(s)
2015-11-20 18:44 <LiruCookies>             
2015-11-20 18:44 <LiruCookies>             /home/jenkins/jobs/opensim/workspace/MONO_VERSION/mono-2.10.8.1/OpenSim/Region/PhysicsModules/Ode/OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModule.Ode.dll.build(6,6):
2015-11-20 18:44 <LiruCookies>             External Program Failed: /opt/mono-2.10.8.1/lib/mono/4.0/dmcs.exe (return code was 1)
2015-11-20 18:44 <Ubit> oh?
2015-11-20 18:44 <LiruCookies> Here, I'll gist it for you
2015-11-20 18:45 <LiruCookies> https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Lirusaito/eb01eb4efe02408c9161/raw/9e690a50b0699a1063173e004c1152a98db4f984/gistfile1.txt
2015-11-20 18:46 <Ubit> ty
2015-11-20 18:46 <LiruCookies> no problem
2015-11-20 18:47 <Ubit> oops
2015-11-20 18:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #4419 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4416 3 hr 0 min ago)
2015-11-20 18:49 <Ubit> is nice to actually add the replacement :)
2015-11-20 18:51 <Ubit> ohh i can see the console  nice
2015-11-20 18:53 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-11-20 18:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4419: FIXED in 4 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4419/
2015-11-20 18:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  remove Ode.Net - missing file. ( old ode may be broken now)
2015-11-20 18:53 <nebadon> you have a Jenkins login Ubit?
2015-11-20 18:53 <Ubit> nopes
2015-11-20 18:53 <nebadon> you need an account to see the console there
2015-11-20 18:53 <nebadon> ok i will message you in a few
2015-11-20 18:54 <Ubit> nopes see it without login 
2015-11-20 18:54 <Ubit> ( petty i didn't see it a weak ago lol )
2015-11-20 18:54 <nebadon> im not sure you see the same thing though i will make you an account
2015-11-20 18:54 <nebadon> then you can retrigger tests
2015-11-20 18:55 <Ubit> ok ty
2015-11-20 18:55 <Ubit> but it does let me see Console Output, as is
2015-11-20 18:56 <osmantis> Bug #7730:04 Memory leak when object moves between regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7730 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-20 19:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #4420 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2015-11-20 19:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4420: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4420/
2015-11-20 19:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  stop a Vehicle on a failed region cross (or empty border) (old ode)
2015-11-20 19:25 <osmantis> Bug #7730:04 Memory leak when object moves between regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7730 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-20 19:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #4421 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-20 19:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4421: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4421/
2015-11-20 19:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  stop the Vehicle AFTER fixing position not before, bc stop code also updates position (old ode)
2015-11-20 20:09 <nebadon> anyone know why map search is not so great?
2015-11-20 20:10 <nebadon> like on OSCC if i go to map and search Keynote
2015-11-20 20:10 <nebadon> i get 0 results
2015-11-20 20:10 <nebadon> but if i type OSCC Keynote
2015-11-20 20:10 <nebadon> then they show, region names are "OSCC Keynote 1" etc..
2015-11-20 20:10 <nebadon> we really need to fix that maybe?
2015-11-20 20:11 <JoeRadik> We welcome patches! :)
2015-11-20 20:11 <Plugh> yea, that's something I've been wanting to fix for some time. It only seems to work if what you specify as a search term is the start of a region name it might find.
2015-11-20 20:12 <Plugh> Probably just needs a % added
2015-11-20 20:12 <Plugh> somewhere.
2015-11-20 20:15 <Plugh> bbl
2015-11-20 20:32 <nebadon> something that kind of sucks at OSCC
2015-11-20 20:32 <nebadon> i log into OSCC Keynote 1 with a bunch of people there
2015-11-20 20:32 <nebadon> and 1/2 the people who are sitting I see in a T-Pose
2015-11-20 20:41 <Melanie_T> ma search is a prefix search
2015-11-20 20:41 <Melanie_T> same as sl
2015-11-20 20:42 <Melanie_T> btw, expect asset breakage on osgrid
2015-11-20 20:42 <nebadon> ?
2015-11-20 20:42 <Melanie_T> the resync is done and i'm working on bringing the cluster back into production
2015-11-20 20:42 <nebadon> oh ok
2015-11-20 20:42 <nebadon> thanks
2015-11-20 20:42 <Melanie_T> there may be several minutes of disruption
2015-11-20 20:42 <nebadon> k
2015-11-20 20:43 <Melanie_T> 
ACTION hides the romulan disruptor behind her back

2015-11-20 20:43 <nebadon> haha
2015-11-20 20:50 <Melanie_T> 1 hour 45 minutes to full sync. 
2015-11-20 20:51 <Melanie_T> but both hosts are active again
2015-11-20 20:51 <Melanie_T> the rest will complete on it's own
2015-11-20 20:57 <osmantis> Bug #7737:04 region table not being created on first run... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7737 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-11-20 21:14 <nebadon> nice, thanks Melanie_T
2015-11-20 21:52 <osmantis> Bug #7746:04 fix warnings introduced with avination merge 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7746 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-20 22:17 <osmantis> Bug #7746:04 fix warnings introduced with avination merge 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7746 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
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2015-11-21 00:07 <Ubit> outch patchs flood :)
2015-11-21 00:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #4422 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-21 00:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4422: SUCCESS in 4 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4422/
2015-11-21 00:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  remove some compile warnings increasing total number by 2
2015-11-21 01:32 <osmantis> Bug #7746:04 fix warnings introduced with avination merge 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7746 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-21 01:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #4423 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-21 01:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4423: SUCCESS in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4423/
2015-11-21 01:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  remove some duplicate using statements
2015-11-21 01:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #4424 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-21 01:59 <nebadon> random stats there was about 1100 commits since the first of the year until about 3 weeks ago
2015-11-21 01:59 <Dev_Random> is there a gource vid?
2015-11-21 01:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4424: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4424/
2015-11-21 01:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  remove a warning
2015-11-21 01:59 <nebadon> thats what im doing
2015-11-21 02:00 <Dev_Random> nice
2015-11-21 02:00 <Ubit> random stats ?
2015-11-21 02:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #4425 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-21 02:18 <nebadon> haha ya Ubit i was counting how many commits in 2015 leading up to 0.8.2
2015-11-21 02:18 <nebadon> kind of since last OSCC
2015-11-21 02:18 <nebadon> video is processing waiting on audio track replacement
2015-11-21 02:18 <Ubit> :)
2015-11-21 02:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4425: SUCCESS in 4 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4425/
2015-11-21 02:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  some cleanup, allow cast rays to collide with terrain within limited range (old ode)
2015-11-21 02:19 <Ubit> well some are kinda random :p
2015-11-21 02:19 <nebadon> ya its just for the Video description is all
2015-11-21 02:20 <nebadon> ive done the same thing every year
2015-11-21 02:37 <Plugh> nebadon: Already passed that number of commits on master since 0.8.2 was released as the result of the avnmerge.
2015-11-21 02:37 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmgdBaCcvt8
2015-11-21 02:37 <nebadon> i did master git
2015-11-21 02:38 <nebadon> and stopped as of about 3 weeks ago
2015-11-21 02:38 <nebadon> it should be pre-merge
2015-11-21 02:39 <nebadon> but who knows git is wierd
2015-11-21 02:39 <nebadon> lol
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2015-11-21 02:40 <nebadon>     57  Robert Adams
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2015-11-21 02:40 <nebadon>     28  Oren Hurvitz
2015-11-21 02:40 <nebadon>     21  Freaky Tech
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2015-11-21 02:40 <nebadon>     19  Magnuz Binder
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2015-11-21 02:40 <nebadon>      8  Mic Bowman
2015-11-21 02:40 <nebadon>      8  Steven Zielinski
2015-11-21 02:40 <nebadon>      6  Michael Cerquoni
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2015-11-21 02:40 <nebadon>      5  Michael Heilmann
2015-11-21 02:40 <nebadon>      4  Drake Arconis
2015-11-21 02:40 <nebadon>      3  Ai Austin
2015-11-21 02:40 <nebadon>      3  Christopher
2015-11-21 02:40 <nebadon>      3  Dev Random
2015-11-21 02:40 <nebadon>      3  Geir N�klebye
2015-11-21 02:40 <nebadon>      3  Kevin Cozens
2015-11-21 02:40 <nebadon>      3  Robert Louden
2015-11-21 02:40 <nebadon>      2  H-H-H
2015-11-21 02:40 <nebadon>      2  Quill Littlefeather
2015-11-21 02:40 <nebadon>      2  Talun
2015-11-21 02:40 <nebadon>      1  Bob Shaffer II
2015-11-21 02:40 <nebadon>      1  Jeff Kelley
2015-11-21 02:40 <nebadon>      1  Melanie
2015-11-21 02:40 <nebadon>      1  Roger Kirkman
2015-11-21 02:41 <nebadon>      1  Shy Robbiani
2015-11-21 02:41 <nebadon>      1  ft@noemail
2015-11-21 02:41 <nebadon>      1  justincc
2015-11-21 02:41 <nebadon>      1  lillith xue
2015-11-21 02:41 <nebadon>      1  tglion
2015-11-21 02:41 <nebadon> commit counts :0
2015-11-21 02:41 <nebadon> so ya maybe does have merge stuff, but oh well
2015-11-21 02:41 <nebadon> its hard to get accurate counts the way git does stuff
2015-11-21 02:41 <nebadon> however thats just the commit counts, the gource video does have the merge
2015-11-21 02:41 <nebadon> that im sure of
2015-11-21 02:41 <nebadon> sorry does not have the merge
2015-11-21 02:41 <Ubit> nice video
2015-11-21 02:42 <nebadon> thanks
2015-11-21 02:42 <nebadon> gource is pretty cool
2015-11-21 02:52 <diva> very pretty, neb!
2015-11-21 02:53 <nebadon> thanks :)
2015-11-21 02:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #4426 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-21 02:54 <nebadon> right around 2 minutes diva you go nuts
2015-11-21 02:54 <nebadon> lol
2015-11-21 02:55 <nebadon> ubit does too hehe
2015-11-21 02:55 <Ubit> :)
2015-11-21 02:55 <OtakuMegane> Ever tried running it on the entire git history for OS?
2015-11-21 02:55 <nebadon> i could
2015-11-21 02:55 <nebadon> it would probably be about 20+ minutes long hehe
2015-11-21 02:56 <nebadon> maybe more
2015-11-21 02:56 <OtakuMegane> lol
2015-11-21 02:57 <OtakuMegane> Probably a bit long for entertainment but an interesting look at just how much it's gone through
2015-11-21 02:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4426: SUCCESS in 4 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4426/
2015-11-21 02:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add thread allocation calls for new ode.dll (old ode)
2015-11-21 03:07 <Ubit> bahh was seeing a major bug..  nothing rezzing
2015-11-21 03:07 <Ubit> im with a alt and on a restricted parcel :p
2015-11-21 03:07 <Ubit> ufff :)
2015-11-21 03:08 <nebadon> lol
2015-11-21 03:10 <Plugh> Cool. I'm in a 6 way tie for 19th top committer. 
2015-11-21 03:10 <nebadon> lol
2015-11-21 03:11 <Plugh> oh, yeah. That gource thing is neat.
2015-11-21 03:11 <Plugh> Most of my OS related commits don't show up in gource as they aren't made to the main tree.
2015-11-21 03:28 <Ubit> jak  square root of 2 is not 25% larger
2015-11-21 03:34 <Ubit> mb we should limit region rotation to 90� steps
2015-11-21 03:53 <Ubit> diva kalis invasion.. hideee
2015-11-21 03:54 <diva__kali> :)
2015-11-21 03:54 <Ubit> :)
2015-11-21 13:02 <jakdaniels_> Ubit: sorry the mantis description is wrong. I meant to say ~25% bigger on each side (that what it says in the code) so 50% bigger. Actually to be pedantic 41.43% but it's easier to make an array 50% bigger ;) ;);)
2015-11-21 13:03 <osmantis> Bug #7744:04 Enhancements to 'load oar' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7744 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-21 13:35 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-21 13:41 <osmantis> Bug #7742:04 Sim border crossing from 0.8.2 to 0.8.3-dev fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7742 ): has been CLOSED
2015-11-21 14:25 <osmantis> Bug #7744:04 Enhancements to 'load oar' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7744 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-21 16:01 <osmantis> Bug #7739:04 [XENGINE] Crash Leading to Continous Loop and stack overflow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7739 ): Eine Notiz wurde zu diesem Eintrag hinzugefügt.
2015-11-21 18:21 <diva> nebadon is this correct: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/0.8.2.0_Release#Scripts
2015-11-21 18:30 <nebadon> yes
2015-11-21 18:30 <nebadon> its .dll .mdb .text and ....
2015-11-21 18:30 <nebadon> 
ACTION looks

2015-11-21 18:30 <nebadon> *.map
2015-11-21 18:30 <nebadon> and keep .state
2015-11-21 18:31 <nebadon> ooor
2015-11-21 18:31 <nebadon> DeleteScriptsOnStartup = true
2015-11-21 18:32 <nebadon> in [Xengine] does this every start up
2015-11-21 18:32 <nebadon> but its slow
2015-11-21 18:32 <nebadon> if you have 1000s of scripts
2015-11-21 18:32 <nebadon> Wright Plaza for instance takes like 25 minutes to start up
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2015-11-21 19:46 <Plugh> What is the difference between in-memory region storage and the use of MySQL for region storage for use by a standalone?
2015-11-21 19:54 <nebadon> Plugh there is no Regions table
2015-11-21 19:54 <nebadon> in the database
2015-11-21 19:54 <nebadon> meaning stuff like OpensimWi Redux couldnt display maps
2015-11-21 19:54 <nebadon> for standalones
2015-11-21 19:54 <nebadon> unless you enable database storage of region info
2015-11-21 19:55 <nebadon> diva distro probably needs it as well
2015-11-21 19:55 <nebadon> since a standalone would have all of that in memory anyway with or without the database, the database is superfolous to anything intneral
2015-11-21 19:56 <nebadon> its simply so external apps could also access the data
2015-11-21 20:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #4427 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-21 20:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4427: SUCCESS in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4427/
2015-11-21 20:08 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  add a missing override
2015-11-21 20:08 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  add a missing override
2015-11-21 20:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #4428 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-21 20:08 <Plugh> Um... unless the regions table was dropped in SA mode I have one. It is also possible I have a regions table because I have also used my database in grid configuration in the past for testing
2015-11-21 20:09 <Plugh> ok. I'll leave my setting on mysql for that. There are other external programs I'm working with, or developing, where that might be needed.
2015-11-21 20:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4428: SUCCESS in 4 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4428/
2015-11-21 22:26 <osmantis> Bug #7744:04 Enhancements to 'load oar' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7744 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-21 22:27 <Ubit> 
ACTION hides from jak

2015-11-21 22:27 <Ubit> ( kidding )
2015-11-21 22:30 <jakdaniels_> lol, go on, beat me up over the code then ;)
2015-11-21 22:30 <Ubit> oops yr seen me
2015-11-21 22:30 <Ubit> ..you..
2015-11-21 22:31 <Ubit> int offsetX = baseX / 4; // the original origin will now be at these coordinates so now we can have imaginary negative coordinates ;) 
2015-11-21 22:31 <Ubit> ??
2015-11-21 22:31 <Ubit> what is this offset ?
2015-11-21 22:32 <jakdaniels_> yeah, bad describing... really what I mean is that after rotation, when you select a bounding cuboid, you may be dealing with negative coordinates...
2015-11-21 22:32 <jakdaniels_> perhaps the diagrams show that better?
2015-11-21 22:34 <Ubit> you are rotating around the center
2015-11-21 22:34 <Ubit> hmm centers offset ?
2015-11-21 22:36 <Ubit> just talking now !!
2015-11-21 22:38 <jakdaniels_> yes rotating around the center, but the new larger bitmap is an array starting <0,0> but actually represents negative coordinates
2015-11-21 22:38 <jakdaniels_> offset is the difference between array origin and source region origin
2015-11-21 22:39 <Ubit> source and temp ... im still on the rotation part :)
2015-11-21 22:43 <jakdaniels_> for parcels and terrain which are just bitmaps, rotate them into a larger temp bitmap (offset being the coord diff between region and array coordinates), then take a bounding cuboid (using the same coordinate system as source region but maybe now negative or >source region size after rotation) and then place at <0,0,0> in destination and apply --displacement to position it
2015-11-21 22:44 <Ubit> i know.. and im on the bitmap code only also..
2015-11-21 22:44 <jakdaniels_> there's probably many ways to more elegantly math code it... 
2015-11-21 22:44 <Ubit> yeap there are...
2015-11-21 22:45 <jakdaniels_> but I use exactly the same algorith for terrain as parcels
2015-11-21 22:45 <jakdaniels_> *algorithm
2015-11-21 22:45 <Ubit> we just need on right ;)
2015-11-21 22:45 <jakdaniels_> both are bitmaps
2015-11-21 22:45 <Ubit> one..
2015-11-21 22:45 <Ubit> yeap similar code for both
2015-11-21 22:46 <CrasherRob> It's fun listening to wizard talk, LOL.
2015-11-21 22:46 <Ubit> ( we also keep suport for non square regions.. but thats not a issue now )
2015-11-21 22:50 <jakdaniels_> yeah I know the broken points in this code regarding that too... the land bitmap code has a regionSize parameter that specifies the bitmap dimensions (possibly non square), the terrain one doesn't yet, it assumes square bitmaps. The OAR file contains a region_size element which I started using, and added code to support grabbing it from the OAR, but then I wondered about multi region OARS and realised region_size in the control file is 
2015-11-21 22:50 <jakdaniels_> not right, needs to be in RegionInfo OAR data?
2015-11-21 22:50 <Ubit> ok found  a pencil.. offset is centers offset so...ok
2015-11-21 22:51 <Ubit> errr
2015-11-21 22:52 <Ubit> just bad coments :p
2015-11-21 22:52 <jakdaniels_> yeah, my comments.... I talk to myself while coding ;)
2015-11-21 22:53 <Ubit> u agree its centers offset ?
2015-11-21 22:54 <jakdaniels_> offset is just how to translate between bitmap_tmp coords and real region coords, which may become negative after rotation
2015-11-21 22:55 <jakdaniels_> like I said maybe better more elegant way to math code it, but it works... I have done lots of testing
2015-11-21 23:18 <jakdaniels_> but are multi region OARS mostly a legacy of Mega-Regions where regions were assumed to be always 256x256?
2015-11-21 23:44 <Ubit> yeap
2015-11-21 23:50 <jakdaniels> actually when I mentioned 'region_size' XML element I meant 'size_in_meters' and 'RegionInfo OAR data' should be 'RegionSettings OAR data' ... duh, it's late...
2015-11-21 23:51 <Ubit> we are talking about the code... not necessary making code now 
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2015-11-22 01:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #4429 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-22 01:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4429: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4429/
2015-11-22 01:09 <osjenkins> kevin: row format fixed removed to allow creation of regions table
2015-11-22 01:16 <osmantis> Bug #7737:04 region table not being created on first run... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7737 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-11-22 01:41 <osmantis> Bug #7737:04 region table not being created on first run... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7737 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-22 01:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #4430 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-22 01:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4430: FAILURE in 4 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4430/
2015-11-22 01:48 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Changes to LandObject/ILandObject to support importing OARs with different Region sizes to the destination region.
2015-11-22 01:48 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Changes to TerrainChannel/ITerrainChannel to support importing OARs with different Region sizes to the destination region.
2015-11-22 01:48 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Changes to TerrainModule/ITerrainModule to support importing OARs with different Region sizes to the destination region.
2015-11-22 01:48 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Changes to Load Oar options and new code to support importing OARs with different Region sizes to the destination region.
2015-11-22 01:48 <osmantis> Bug #7744:04 Enhancements to 'load oar' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7744 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-22 01:49 <Ubit> i love you 2 jenkins
2015-11-22 01:49 <Ubit> :p
2015-11-22 01:53 <OtakuMegane> lol
2015-11-22 02:14 <Ken_S> Don't know if it is a fix to the code or fix to OSG's asset server, but
2015-11-22 02:15 <Ken_S> rezing at the party today was MUCH faster than it has been in a really long time!
2015-11-22 02:15 <nebadon_> probably fixes to the code :)
2015-11-22 02:15 <Ken_S> Thats what I'm hoping...
2015-11-22 02:15 <Ken_S> Before= 20 minutes, still some textures missing
2015-11-22 02:16 <Ken_S> Now= 10 seconds, all is rezed
2015-11-22 02:18 <Ubit> Quaternion rotationOffset = new Quaternion(60, 70, 80, 90);
2015-11-22 02:18 <Ubit> funny quarternium
2015-11-22 02:18 <OtakuMegane> That's impressive if it went that fast
2015-11-22 02:18 <Ken_S> Yes, I was shocked at the rez speed.
2015-11-22 02:19 <Ken_S> And there were already about 20 AVs there when I TP'd in.
2015-11-22 02:19 <OtakuMegane> I've always known, in OS and SL for that matter, things really should rez faster than they did but never sure what it was that held things back.
2015-11-22 02:20 <Ken_S> I suspected bad throttle code, but who knows.
2015-11-22 02:20 <Ken_S> Whatever it was, dev master is really good right now.
2015-11-22 02:21 <nebadon_> its running very good on my raspberry pi2 also
2015-11-22 02:21 <nebadon_> i have it pretty much updated 
2015-11-22 02:21 <OtakuMegane> Have to update and test out the newest stuff. Been a couple days since last download.
2015-11-22 02:23 <OtakuMegane> XD
2015-11-22 02:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #4431 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4429 1 hr 18 min ago)
2015-11-22 02:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4431: STILL FAILING in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4431/
2015-11-22 02:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  don't use 'funny' Quaternions
2015-11-22 02:28 <OtakuMegane> I guess jenkins likes funny quaternions?
2015-11-22 02:28 <Ubit> seems so
2015-11-22 02:28 <Ubit> MESSAGE:
2015-11-22 02:28 <Ubit>   object1 rotation offset not equal
2015-11-22 02:28 <Ubit>   Expected: <0.2721655, 0.4082483, 0.544331, 0.6804138>
2015-11-22 02:28 <Ubit>   But was:  <0.2721655, 0.4082483, 0.544331, 0.6804138>
2015-11-22 02:30 <Ubit> any one as a magnify glass to see the dif?
2015-11-22 02:31 <Ken_S> Only dif I see is the extra space before the 2nd one
2015-11-22 02:32 <jakdaniels> is it a double vs float thing?
2015-11-22 02:33 <Ubit> quat use floats
2015-11-22 02:34 <Ubit> well and original prob still there
2015-11-22 03:20 <Dev_Random> Ubit:  I don't know where that code came from, but is there a chance that it's because of == instead of .equals() ?
2015-11-22 03:21 <Ubit>             Assert.That(                object1PartLoaded.RotationOffset, Is.EqualTo(part1.RotationOffset), "object1 rotation offset not equal");
2015-11-22 03:22 <Dev_Random> alrighty.. so much for that theory.
2015-11-22 03:23 <Dev_Random> assuming Is.EqualTo does a value comparison ... C# is not my primary language
2015-11-22 03:27 <OtakuMegane> I'd figure it does. Kind of the point of the function to begin with lol.
2015-11-22 03:27 <Dev_Random> heh.. yeah, but...
2015-11-22 03:28 <Dev_Random> ha
2015-11-22 03:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #4432 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4429 2 hr 53 min ago)
2015-11-22 04:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4432: STILL FAILING in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4432/
2015-11-22 04:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  minor changes
2015-11-22 04:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #4433 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4429 2 hr 57 min ago)
2015-11-22 04:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4433: STILL FAILING in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4433/
2015-11-22 04:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add merge option on multioar test
2015-11-22 04:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #4434 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4429 3 hr 6 min ago)
2015-11-22 04:13 <Ubit> errr
2015-11-22 04:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4434: STILL FAILING in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4434/
2015-11-22 04:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  reduce noise before compare
2015-11-22 04:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #4435 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4429 3 hr 45 min ago)
2015-11-22 04:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4435: STILL FAILING in 8 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4435/
2015-11-22 04:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add Monitor.wait on load
2015-11-22 05:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #4436 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4429 4 hr 38 min ago)
2015-11-22 05:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4436: STILL FAILING in 8 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4436/
2015-11-22 05:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  a few changes on Multiregion control file load ; load oar seems far from good
2015-11-22 05:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #4437 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4429 4 hr 47 min ago)
2015-11-22 05:52 <Ubit> nice 8 erros now :)
2015-11-22 06:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4437: STILL FAILING in 8 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4437/
2015-11-22 06:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add a a missing monitor.wait if still not needed, mb in future
2015-11-22 07:15 <osmantis> Bug #7740:04 Misleading ScriptStopStrategy in OpenSim.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7740 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-11-22 07:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #4438 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4429 6 hr 23 min ago)
2015-11-22 07:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4438: STILL FAILING in 18 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4438/
2015-11-22 07:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  a few more changes on Multiregion control file load
2015-11-22 07:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #4439 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4429 6 hr 51 min ago)
2015-11-22 08:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4439: STILL FAILING in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4439/
2015-11-22 08:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  take the Monitor.wait out of the locks
2015-11-22 08:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #4440 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4429 6 hr 57 min ago)
2015-11-22 08:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4440: STILL FAILING in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4440/
2015-11-22 08:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  coment out merge option on multiregion oar load i added
2015-11-22 08:06 <Ubit> yeack
2015-11-22 08:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #4441 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4429 7 hr 4 min ago)
2015-11-22 08:17 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-11-22 08:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4441: FIXED in 8 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4441/
2015-11-22 08:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  revert take the Monitor.wait out of the locks
2015-11-22 08:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #4442 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2015-11-22 08:35 <Ubit> grrr
2015-11-22 08:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4442: FAILURE in 4 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4442/
2015-11-22 08:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  change syncronization method
2015-11-22 08:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #4443 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4441 32 min ago)
2015-11-22 08:46 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
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2015-11-22 08:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  change silly Monitor use
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2015-11-22 12:30 <osmantis> Bug #7747:04 LLoginSerive.cs login response has extra bool  LibOMVClient for Radegast clients since avination merge causing add on errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7747 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-22 15:11 <CrasherRob> Looking over last night's jenkins failures, I have a silly question. Don't you own the Quaternion code? That's not a standard part of C#, is it? I don't grok the Is.EqualTo part, though. Would have thought the statement should be more like Assert.That( object1PartLoaded.RotationOffset.equals(part1.RotationOffset), "message"); (or maybe .approximatelyequals, if RotationOffset is a float) You may have to code up or find some .app
2015-11-22 15:17 <CrasherRob> bool ApproximatelyEquals(float a, float b) { return abs(a-b) <= min(a,b) / 10000000.0; } // Or something similar. Gotta account for zero. Code not tested. Alternately: (max(a,b) - min(a,b)) <= min(a,b) / big number. Also not tested.
2015-11-22 16:12 <osmantis> Bug #7744:04 Enhancements to 'load oar' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7744 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-22 16:14 <jakdaniels> 
ACTION hides from Ubit ;)

2015-11-22 16:17 <nebadon> damn that is an impressive mantis
2015-11-22 16:17 <nebadon> good stuff
2015-11-22 16:48 <Plugh> wow. Looks good. I'm still going through the information.
2015-11-22 16:49 <Ubit> CrasherRob  quaternions code came from libomv
2015-11-22 16:51 <Ubit> 
ACTION pushs jak from under the terrain patch where he was hidding

2015-11-22 16:55 <Ubit> errr why bounding box on rotated source ( don't like the name )
2015-11-22 16:56 <Ubit> how will someone like me ever get it right with rotations ? :p
2015-11-22 16:57 <thoys> :)
2015-11-22 16:59 <Ubit> imo it should be a destiny  unrotate box, so we can think " i want to fill this box "
2015-11-22 17:00 <Ubit> hmm or something like that
2015-11-22 17:00 <Plugh> :)
2015-11-22 17:01 <Ubit> well the drawings do imply origin region ..
2015-11-22 17:02 <Plugh> InnoDB tables in MySQL are odd when it comes to knowing the size of a database. phpmyadmin says a table is just over 400G. I dumped it and am loading it in to another machine and the phpmyadmin on that machine says the same table is already at 597G and still loading.
2015-11-22 17:27 <Ubit> diferent allocation, index etc etc methods, using memory for speed?
2015-11-22 17:27 <Ubit> ..indexing..
2015-11-22 17:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #4444 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2015-11-22 17:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4444: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4444/
2015-11-22 17:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Fixed some stupid math and checks on --bounding-origin and --bounding-size. Bounding origin can of course be negative if it needs to be as we're taking stuff from the (possibly rotated) source region. Bounding size must always be >=0 and <= destination region size.
2015-11-22 18:24 <Plugh> Ubit, yea. No idea how much longer it will take to finish loading the backup.
2015-11-22 18:47 <osmantis> Bug #7748:04 Sitting on phantom object says warning to chat 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7748 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-22 19:22 <osmantis> Bug #7749:04 llSensorRepeat using type value = 0 never returns a result 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7749 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-22 20:46 <osmantis> Bug #7747:04 LLoginService.cs login response has extra bool  LibOMVClient for Radegast clients since avination merge causing add on errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7747 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-22 20:50 <osmantis> Bug #7747:04 LLoginService.cs login response has extra bool  LibOMVClient for Radegast clients since avination merge causing addon errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7747 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-22 21:55 <osmantis> Bug #7390:04 Script compile error for "if (vector)" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7390 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-11-22 22:57 <osmantis> Bug #7750:04 Unable to sit on a prim if it is set to phatom and distance from avi to prim is > 10m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7750 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-22 23:05 <osmantis> Bug #7750:04 Unable to sit on a prim if it is set to phatom and distance from avi to prim is > 10m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7750 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-22 23:32 <osmantis> Bug #7744:04 Enhancements to 'load oar' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7744 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-11-23 10:11 <osmantis> Bug #7747:04 LLoginService.cs login response has extra fields causing addon errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7747 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-23 10:12 <osmantis> Bug #7747:04 LLoginService.cs login response has extra fields causing addon errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7747 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-23 10:25 <osmantis> Bug #7747:04 LLoginService.cs login response has extra fields causing addon errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7747 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-23 11:55 <osmantis> Bug #7747:04 LLoginService.cs login response has extra fields causing addon errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7747 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-23 13:06 <osmantis> Bug #7747:04 LLoginService.cs login response has extra fields causing addon errors, plus question on special Radegast handling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7747 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-23 15:41 <osmantis> Bug #7751:04 Four new watchdog timeouts for each region on server shutdown 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7751 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-23 15:41 <osmantis> Bug #7751:04 Four new watchdog timeouts for each region on server shutdown 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7751 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-23 16:32 <osmantis> Bug #7751:04 Four new watchdog timeouts for each region on server shutdown 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7751 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-23 16:38 <osmantis> Bug #7751:04 Four new watchdog timeouts for each region on server shutdown 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7751 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-23 16:50 <jakdaniels> *sigh*.... how do I upload images to the wiki?
2015-11-23 17:21 <nebadon> jakdaniels the wiki is in sort of a mess at the moment
2015-11-23 17:21 <nebadon> we are discussing how to improve it
2015-11-23 17:22 <nebadon> uploads are turned off because of exploits
2015-11-23 17:22 <nebadon> for the moment
2015-11-23 17:22 <nebadon> mediawiki is the worst peice of software ever written
2015-11-23 17:32 <nebadon> lame it seems like Singularity and Replex viewer do not like my ASUS 970GTX STRIX 4gb
2015-11-23 17:32 <nebadon> i get like 5-10fps
2015-11-23 17:32 <nebadon> but in Firestorm i get really fast rates
2015-11-23 17:33 <nebadon> wonder what we are going to do when SL stops updating the viewer code
2015-11-23 17:33 <nebadon> and new hardware stops working like in this instance
2015-11-23 17:34 <jakdaniels> ok nebadon, I just wanted to upload those load oar diagrams on the new page I was writing. Maybe I should wait?
2015-11-23 17:34 <nebadon> ya for now probably have to wait, unless you can put them externally some where and then embed them in wiki maybe
2015-11-23 17:35 <nebadon> not idea but it would work
2015-11-23 17:35 <nebadon> ideal*
2015-11-23 17:35 <jakdaniels> I'll wait. Is there maybe a timescale for making a new wiki?
2015-11-23 17:35 <nebadon> no none at all
2015-11-23 17:35 <jakdaniels> *wiki site
2015-11-23 17:36 <nebadon> i honestly dont even know if it is going to happen or not
2015-11-23 17:36 <nebadon> i have zero time 
2015-11-23 17:36 <nebadon> we were talking about it last couple days, if it happens I likely wont be involved
2015-11-23 17:36 <jakdaniels> even a consensus on which software to use now would be good ;)
2015-11-23 17:36 <nebadon> I just dont have the time
2015-11-23 17:36 <nebadon> it would still be mediawiki
2015-11-23 17:36 <nebadon> but there would be a static front end
2015-11-23 17:36 <nebadon> a CMS
2015-11-23 17:37 <nebadon> that would control all accounts
2015-11-23 17:37 <nebadon> we would probably have to purge everyones accounts too
2015-11-23 17:37 <nebadon> and start fresh with users
2015-11-23 17:38 <nebadon> right now about 97% of the accounts are fake
2015-11-23 17:38 <nebadon> and just spam the site
2015-11-23 17:38 <nebadon> mediawiki is pure garbage
2015-11-23 17:38 <nebadon> but sadly there is nothing better
2015-11-23 17:38 <nebadon> or nothing even equally as bad
2015-11-23 17:38 <nebadon> only options are all worse in my opinion
2015-11-23 17:39 <jakdaniels> Yeah, it would be quite a job to port content into something else
2015-11-23 17:39 <nebadon> having it behind a better CMS perhaps typo3 or something like that will be less vulenerable to attack
2015-11-23 17:40 <jakdaniels> +1 on typo3
2015-11-23 17:40 <nebadon> Melanie likes typo3 i do not
2015-11-23 17:40 <nebadon> but, being im bowing out, its really up to whoever is willing to do the work
2015-11-23 17:40 <jakdaniels> Ive used it before in a corporate environment
2015-11-23 17:40 <nebadon> im not sold on anything really though
2015-11-23 17:41 <nebadon> anything is better than the current situation hehe
2015-11-23 17:41 <nebadon> the big problem is mediawiki has no public facing admin tools
2015-11-23 17:41 <nebadon> its all php-cli
2015-11-23 17:41 <nebadon> if i have to reset someones password for the wiki
2015-11-23 17:41 <nebadon> i literally have to go root level SSH into server
2015-11-23 17:41 <nebadon> and run a php console command on mediawiki
2015-11-23 17:41 <nebadon> its insane
2015-11-23 17:42 <jakdaniels> surely that's fixed now in recent versions... isn't the one we're using ancient?
2015-11-23 17:42 <nebadon> seriously anyone who ever worked on mediawiki needs to be water boarded
2015-11-23 17:42 <nebadon> no its not fixed
2015-11-23 17:42 <nebadon> the newest version is just as bad as a version from 10 years ago
2015-11-23 17:42 <nebadon> according to the documentation anyway
2015-11-23 17:42 <nebadon> lol
2015-11-23 17:42 <jakdaniels> but, with a CMS in front that could be taken care of 
2015-11-23 17:42 <nebadon> yes
2015-11-23 17:43 <nebadon> mediawiki would pull all credentials from the CMS
2015-11-23 17:43 <nebadon> and disable its own
2015-11-23 17:43 <nebadon> mediawiki is totalyl reliant on external administration and security
2015-11-23 17:43 <nebadon> its completely not secure on any level
2015-11-23 17:43 <nebadon> even all of the security modules offer zero protection
2015-11-23 17:43 <nebadon> ive tried everything
2015-11-23 17:44 <nebadon> and everytime i instute extra checks the hacks get worse
2015-11-23 17:44 <nebadon> only thing that works is disable account creation and disable uploads
2015-11-23 17:44 <nebadon> lol
2015-11-23 17:44 <nebadon> great wiki
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2015-11-23 17:52 <nebadon> Melanie_T can explain better what she was thinking about the wiki though :)
2015-11-23 17:53 <nebadon> if and when it happens we probably going to need to have as many interested folks as possible involved with checking and cleanup
2015-11-23 17:54 <Plugh> wow. That's nuts about what you have to do for some maintentance tasks for the wiki.
2015-11-23 17:54 <Plugh> I use dokuwiki as I am mostly interesting in documenting things. I like that it doesn't use a database.
2015-11-23 17:56 <nebadon> ya i think we use that for avacon too
2015-11-23 17:56 <nebadon> i dont think it would work well for opensimulator
2015-11-23 17:56 <Plugh> s/interesting/interested/
2015-11-23 17:57 <Plugh> hehe... use it for the front facing page. ;)
2015-11-23 17:57 <nebadon> ya that is another thing that mediawiki is really bad for
2015-11-23 17:58 <nebadon> being our main website
2015-11-23 17:58 <Plugh> yea, a mix of static main pages then link to the wiki might be better but you get in to the problem of who and how the front pages will be maintained.
2015-11-23 17:58 <nebadon> its already hard enough to upgrade mediawiki, since generally everytime i have upgraded it, the theme stops working
2015-11-23 17:58 <Plugh> You would often want to update with the news about code changes/releases for one
2015-11-23 17:58 <nebadon> real freakin nightmare
2015-11-23 17:59 <Plugh> yea, the theming in wiki's can be a problem. I've had to update the theme files for dokuwiki a couple of times.
2015-11-23 18:00 <Plugh> I think I also had to update themes once or twice when I updated the Gallery thing I use on my site.
2015-11-23 18:05 <osmantis> Bug #7751:04 Four new watchdog timeouts for each region on server shutdown 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7751 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-23 18:08 <osmantis> Bug #7751:04 Four new watchdog timeouts for each region on server shutdown 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7751 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-23 18:08 <osmantis> Bug #7751:04 Four new watchdog timeouts for each region on server shutdown 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7751 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-23 18:44 <osmantis> Bug #7752:04 Teleports out of var regions with a lot of prims/textures often fails with viewer timeout and viewer crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7752 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-23 18:50 <osmantis> Bug #7752:04 Teleports out of var regions with a lot of prims/textures often fails with viewer timeout and viewer crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7752 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-23 18:58 <osmantis> Bug #7744:04 Enhancements to 'load oar' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7744 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-23 18:59 <osmantis> Bug #7744:04 Enhancements to 'load oar' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7744 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-23 19:21 <jakdaniels> nebadon, do you have some of the original graphics like the sponsors and streaming board posters for OSCC?
2015-11-23 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #7744:04 Enhancements to 'load oar' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7744 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-23 21:29 <osmantis> Bug #7744:04 Enhancements to 'load oar' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7744 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-23 21:36 <osmantis> Bug #7753:04 [AUTH SERVICE]: user account service present: False 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7753 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-23 21:38 <osmantis> Bug #7753:04 [AUTH SERVICE]: user account service present: False 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7753 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-23 22:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #4445 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-23 22:23 <osmantis> Bug #7748:04 Sitting on phantom object says warning to chat 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7748 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-23 22:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4445: SUCCESS in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4445/
2015-11-23 22:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  remove warning on siting in phantom prims without sittarget
2015-11-23 22:29 <osmantis> Bug #7750:04 Unable to sit on a prim if it is set to phatom and distance from avi to prim is > 10m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7750 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-23 23:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #4446 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-23 23:07 <osmantis> Bug #7750:04 Unable to sit on a prim if it is set to phatom and distance from avi to prim is > 10m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7750 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-11-23 23:07 <osmantis> Bug #7750:04 Unable to sit on a prim if it is set to phatom and distance from avi to prim is > 10m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7750 ): has been CLOSED
2015-11-23 23:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4446: SUCCESS in 4 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4446/
2015-11-23 23:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  remove libomv detection/log from llLoginService
2015-11-23 23:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #4447 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-23 23:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4447: SUCCESS in 4 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4447/
2015-11-23 23:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: revert previus commit
2015-11-23 23:20 <Ken_S> If you need to test this issue, most complaints are coming from the sims mentioned in this mantis: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7752
2015-11-23 23:20 <Ken_S> But it happens when TPing from other vars too.
2015-11-23 23:20 <Ubit> ok
2015-11-23 23:20 <Ken_S> opps, wrong window
2015-11-23 23:20 <Ubit> lol
2015-11-23 23:21 <Melanie_T> it happens
2015-11-23 23:24 <osmantis> Bug #7752:04 Teleports out of var regions with a lot of prims/textures often fails with viewer timeout and viewer crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7752 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-23 23:24 <osmantis> Bug #7752:04 Teleports out of var regions with a lot of prims/textures often fails with viewer timeout and viewer crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7752 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-23 23:54 <osmantis> Bug #7747:04 LLoginService.cs login response has extra fields causing addon errors, plus question on special Radegast handling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7747 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-24 00:32 <nebadon> jakdaniels sorry i just noticed you mentioned my name
2015-11-24 00:32 <nebadon> you still need that?
2015-11-24 00:33 <nebadon> http://oscc.avacon.org/2015/about/branding-guidelines/
2015-11-24 00:33 <nebadon> we temporarily moved the conference website to avacon server
2015-11-24 00:33 <nebadon> until we fix up the opensimulator dns
2015-11-24 00:34 <nebadon> few more days it seems
2015-11-24 00:37 <nebadon> there is a small chance that url above may not resolve for some yet
2015-11-24 00:39 <nebadon> also some links are broken still lol, we are working on it
2015-11-24 00:46 <osmantis> Bug #7752:04 Teleports out of var regions with a lot of prims/textures often fails with viewer timeout and viewer crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7752 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-11-24 00:49 <Melanie_T> nebadon: still no status change
2015-11-24 00:49 <nebadon> ok thanks, I let Joyce know
2015-11-24 00:49 <Melanie_T> nebadon: before friday it was "waiting for domain transfer authorization"
2015-11-24 00:49 <nebadon> we have made a copy on avacon grid now
2015-11-24 00:49 <nebadon> so we can show the info atleast
2015-11-24 00:49 <nebadon> its not quite ready yet though
2015-11-24 00:50 <Melanie_T> since then it is "waiting for other registrar to release domain"
2015-11-24 00:50 <nebadon> ok wierd its taking so long
2015-11-24 00:50 <Melanie_T> so it's authorized
2015-11-24 00:50 <nebadon> yea cool
2015-11-24 00:50 <Melanie_T> but not yet released
2015-11-24 00:50 <Melanie_T> well, 1&1. go figure
2015-11-24 00:50 <nebadon> heh ya never really a fan
2015-11-24 00:50 <Melanie_T> i never use them because i heard so many negs about them
2015-11-24 00:50 <nebadon> early osgrid website used it
2015-11-24 00:51 <nebadon> but we ditched it fast
2015-11-24 00:51 <Melanie_T> well, opensimulator is chaing now
2015-11-24 00:51 <Melanie_T> changing
2015-11-24 00:51 <Melanie_T> and the website/wiki also needs to change
2015-11-24 00:51 <nebadon> Cristian Prior liked them
2015-11-24 00:51 <Melanie_T> so it's all ginna be me again
2015-11-24 00:52 <Melanie_T> i'm not living in a monastery so I don't have a christian prior ;)
2015-11-24 00:52 <nebadon> lol
2015-11-24 00:53 <nebadon> that was who actually registered the domain osgrid.org
2015-11-24 00:55 <nebadon> Christian Westbrook was his real name SeaPrior :)
2015-11-24 00:55 <Melanie_T> yup
2015-11-24 00:55 <Melanie_T> i remember the nick
2015-11-24 00:55 <Melanie_T> never knew the name
2015-11-24 00:56 <Melanie_T> didn't he have a plaza at some time? does he still?
2015-11-24 00:58 <nebadon> yea one of the homesteads
2015-11-24 01:08 <osmantis> Bug #7752:04 Teleports out of var regions with a lot of prims/textures often fails with viewer timeout and viewer crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7752 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-24 01:35 <osmantis> Bug #7749:04 llSensorRepeat using type value = 0 never returns a result 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7749 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-24 02:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #4448 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-24 02:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4448: SUCCESS in 4 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4448/
2015-11-24 02:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove a debug message
2015-11-24 02:09 <nebadon> diva ping
2015-11-24 02:11 <diva> pong
2015-11-24 02:12 <nebadon> hey we have git describe showing 0.9.0
2015-11-24 02:12 <nebadon> but show version on console reports 0.8.3-dev
2015-11-24 02:12 <nebadon> can you fix it so everything shows 0.9 everywhere
2015-11-24 02:12 <nebadon> my git push abilities are disabled at the moment
2015-11-24 02:12 <nebadon> until i get virtualbox working again
2015-11-24 02:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #4449 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-24 02:16 <nebadon> nice thanks, there you go danbanner :)
2015-11-24 02:17 <danbanner> nice, thanks diva, neb
2015-11-24 02:17 <nebadon> diva what is all this nonsense > http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commitdiff&p=opensim&h=59b63b64066d9da706c47e47bddd86a897ccd175
2015-11-24 02:17 <nebadon> is that for real?
2015-11-24 02:17 <nebadon> is there really that many places it needs to be fixed?
2015-11-24 02:18 <diva_kali> oh yeah, I'll do that later
2015-11-24 02:18 <nebadon> haha omg
2015-11-24 02:18 <nebadon> whyyyyyy!!
2015-11-24 02:18 <diva_kali> that's what shows in the dlls themselves
2015-11-24 02:18 <nebadon> ahh there is no better way to do this?
2015-11-24 02:18 <diva_kali> maybe
2015-11-24 02:18 <nebadon> im sure it can be scripted
2015-11-24 02:18 <nebadon> but wow
2015-11-24 02:18 <nebadon> thats nutty
2015-11-24 02:18 <osmantis> Bug #7753:04 [AUTH SERVICE]: user account service present: False 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7753 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-24 02:18 <diva_kali> not a biggie
2015-11-24 02:18 <diva_kali> it's a global replace
2015-11-24 02:18 <nebadon> yea
2015-11-24 02:19 <nebadon> i dont use VS
2015-11-24 02:19 <nebadon> i keep forgetting about that
2015-11-24 02:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4449: SUCCESS in 6 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4449/
2015-11-24 02:21 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Flipped version to 0.9.0.0
2015-11-24 03:32 <osmantis> Bug #7754:04 Duplicate chat output from agents and objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7754 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-24 04:07 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-24 09:07 <osmantis> Bug #7755:04 llGetHTTPHeader adds a = sign to query-string 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7755 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-24 09:18 <osmantis> Bug #7744:04 Enhancements to 'load oar' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7744 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-24 09:31 <osmantis> Bug #7747:04 LLoginService.cs login response has extra fields causing addon errors, plus question on special Radegast handling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7747 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-24 10:44 <osmantis> Bug #7751:04 Four new watchdog timeouts for each region on server shutdown 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7751 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-24 11:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #4450 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-24 11:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4450: SUCCESS in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4450/
2015-11-24 11:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: try not to use Process.HasExit that is broken in some mono versions
2015-11-24 12:20 <osmantis> Bug #7756:04 Extremely volumous default debug tracing for hypergrid visitor login: espec "Unable to fetch folder" and "Couldn't start script" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7756 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-24 12:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #4451 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-24 12:54 <osmantis> Bug #7754:04 Duplicate chat output from agents and objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7754 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-24 12:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4451: SUCCESS in 4 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4451/
2015-11-24 12:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reduce 'echos' on several regions per instance (mantis 7754)
2015-11-24 13:11 <osmantis> Bug #7755:04 llGetHTTPHeader adds a = sign to query-string 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7755 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-24 14:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #4452 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-24 14:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4452: FAILURE in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4452/
2015-11-24 14:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: at end of teleport disable the sending simulator, not destiny
2015-11-24 14:07 <Ubit> what?
2015-11-24 14:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #4453 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4451 1 hr 36 min ago)
2015-11-24 14:33 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-11-24 14:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4453: FIXED in 4 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4453/
2015-11-24 14:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reset control even prior to use
2015-11-24 14:38 <osmantis> Bug #7754:04 Duplicate chat output from agents and objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7754 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-24 14:53 <osmantis> Bug #7754:04 Duplicate chat output from agents and objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7754 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-24 14:54 <osmantis> Bug #7754:04 Duplicate chat output from agents and objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7754 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-24 15:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #4454 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2015-11-24 15:14 <osmantis> Bug #7754:04 Duplicate chat output from agents and objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7754 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-24 15:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4454: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4454/
2015-11-24 15:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  again chat echos, check repeats uncondicionally
2015-11-24 15:28 <osmantis> Bug #7754:04 Duplicate chat output from agents and objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7754 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-24 15:48 <osmantis> Bug #7754:04 Duplicate chat output from agents and objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7754 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-11-24 16:13 <osmantis> Bug #7754:04 Duplicate chat output from agents and objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7754 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-24 16:22 <osmantis> Bug #7757:04 Region lost its properies, terrain information and other things 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7757 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-24 16:42 <osmantis> Bug #7757:04 Region lost its properies, terrain information and other things 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7757 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-24 16:46 <osmantis> Bug #7757:04 Region lost its properies, terrain information and other things 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7757 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-24 16:57 <osmantis> Bug #7755:04 llGetHTTPHeader adds a = sign to query-string 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7755 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-24 16:59 <osmantis> Bug #7757:04 Region lost its properies, terrain information and other things 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7757 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-24 17:21 <osmantis> Bug #7757:04 Region lost its properies, terrain information and other things 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7757 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-24 17:23 <osmantis> Bug #7756:04 Extremely volumous default debug tracing for hypergrid visitor login: espec "Unable to fetch folder" and "Couldn't start script" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7756 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-24 17:25 <osmantis> Bug #7757:04 Region lost its properies, terrain information and other things 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7757 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-24 17:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #4455 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-24 17:28 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-11-24 17:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4455: SUCCESS in 4 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4455/
2015-11-24 17:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  simplify DeliverChatToAvatars(..) ( hopefully not breaking it )
2015-11-24 18:05 <osmantis> Bug #7757:04 Region lost its properies, terrain information and other things 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7757 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-24 18:18 <osmantis> Bug #7755:04 llGetHTTPHeader adds a = sign to query-string 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7755 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-11-24 18:51 <osmantis> Bug #7756:04 Extremely volumous default debug tracing for hypergrid visitor login: espec "Unable to fetch folder" and "Couldn't start script" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7756 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-24 19:00 <nebadon> Plugh meeting time if you can :)
2015-11-24 19:01 <Plugh> yup. I'm on my way.
2015-11-24 19:08 <osmantis> Bug #7756:04 Extremely volumous default debug tracing for hypergrid visitor login: espec "Unable to fetch folder" and "Couldn't start script" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7756 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-24 19:17 <osmantis> Bug #7756:04 Extremely volumous default debug tracing for hypergrid visitor login: espec "Unable to fetch folder" and "Couldn't start script" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7756 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-24 19:24 <osmantis> Bug #7756:04 Extremely volumous default debug tracing for hypergrid visitor login: espec "Unable to fetch folder" and "Couldn't start script" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7756 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-24 20:04 <Plugh> Can you put a var and regular region side by side in 0.9? If not, is the restriction in OS, viewers, or both?
2015-11-24 20:07 <Ubit> some viewers may smoke for now
2015-11-24 20:07 <Plugh> k
2015-11-24 20:07 <Ubit> but im testing 2 vars side by side now
2015-11-24 20:07 <Ubit> 2km and 512m :)
2015-11-24 20:08 <Ubit> well was testing..  going to look for food now ;)
2015-11-24 20:08 <Plugh> ok, cool. If it can handle that, it would be more likely to work with regular and var side by side.
2015-11-24 20:08 <Plugh> I'm going to be doing a food run soon. Picking up some stuff for a couple family members to take with them when they go out for this evening.
2015-11-24 20:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #4456 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-24 20:11 <osmantis> Bug #7758:04 Map tile refresh rate not obeying [MAP] maptilerefesh setting in OpenSimDefaults.ini and OpenSim.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7758 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-24 20:13 <osmantis> Bug #7758:04 Map tile refresh rate not obeying [MAP] maptilerefesh setting in OpenSimDefaults.ini and OpenSim.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7758 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-24 20:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4456: SUCCESS in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4456/
2015-11-24 20:16 <osjenkins> melanie: If no job engine is started at all, keep checking it's status from
2015-11-24 20:29 <osmantis> Bug #7758:04 Map tile refresh rate not obeying [MAP] maptilerefesh setting in OpenSimDefaults.ini and OpenSim.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7758 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-24 20:44 <osmantis> Bug #7758:04 Map tile refresh rate not obeying [MAP] maptilerefesh setting in OpenSimDefaults.ini and OpenSim.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7758 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-24 20:45 <osmantis> Bug #7758:04 Map tile refresh rate not obeying [MAP] maptilerefesh setting in OpenSimDefaults.ini and OpenSim.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7758 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-24 20:55 <osmantis> Bug #7756:04 Extremely volumous default debug tracing for hypergrid visitor login: espec "Unable to fetch folder" and "Couldn't start script" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7756 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-24 21:38 <diva> I see that one commit was ported to 0.8.2 -- is that really important?
2015-11-24 21:39 <diva> Plugh ^^
2015-11-24 21:40 <Plugh> yes it is.
2015-11-24 21:41 <diva> what are the consequences of not having it?
2015-11-24 21:41 <Plugh> Someone doing a first time install of OS would be missing a database table.
2015-11-24 21:42 <diva> realy?
2015-11-24 21:42 <diva> how the hell did that happen?
2015-11-24 21:42 <Plugh> yes. Not sure. I didn't dig through history. It may be a change in OS where an option passed in the SQL for creating a table was ok in the past but is no longer valid.
2015-11-24 21:43 <Plugh> um... I meant a change in MySQL.
2015-11-24 21:44 <Plugh> It may also just be a case of the option was valid before if the table was previously created as a MyISAM table where now it is marked for InnoDB.
2015-11-24 21:44 <Plugh> bbiab
2015-11-24 21:44 <diva> I don't get it
2015-11-24 21:45 <diva> that has been in opensim forever
2015-11-24 21:45 <diva> why did things suddenly change?
2015-11-24 21:45 <Melanie_T> it's quite possible mysql changed
2015-11-24 21:46 <Melanie_T> there are massive changes and in fact new mysql clients are incompatible with old servers
2015-11-24 21:46 <Melanie_T> something to watch out for
2015-11-24 21:46 <Melanie_T> mysql has made lots of changes including a switch to mandatory strong password encryption 
2015-11-24 21:47 <Melanie_T> removal of the old_passwords directive and the mysq_auth_oldpass plugin
2015-11-24 21:47 <Melanie_T> this will bite a lot of opensim users upgrading their distros
2015-11-24 21:47 <diva> here's what the doc says for mysql 5.5
2015-11-24 21:48 <Melanie_T> so i guess they may have removed a no-op but accepted, directive as well
2015-11-24 21:48 <diva> "ROW_FORMAT=FIXED is not supported. If ROW_FORMAT=FIXED is specified while innodb_strict_mode is disabled, InnoDB issues a warning and assumes ROW_FORMAT=COMPACT. If ROW_FORMAT=FIXED is specified while innodb_strict_mode is enabled, InnoDB returns an error."
2015-11-24 21:48 <shyRobbiani> the only table I've seen this happen is the regions table
2015-11-24 21:48 <Melanie_T> so maybe he default was flipped to "strict"
2015-11-24 21:51 <diva> ok I'm going to replace the release, then
2015-11-24 21:52 <Plugh> diva, yes. That was the information I saw the other day abou the ROW_FORMAT option.
2015-11-24 21:53 <Plugh> reverting a commit? I thought it goes to post-fixes before it was released. It then gets change to release on release and back to post-fixes if there are changes to the release?
2015-11-24 21:54 <diva> ? couldn't parse that Plugh :)
2015-11-24 21:54 <Plugh> AFAIK, The code branches are changed to post-fixes when getting ready for a release so why does something need to be reverted?
2015-11-24 21:55 <diva> I'm just going to replace the release package
2015-11-24 21:55 <diva> it's just one commit
2015-11-24 21:56 <diva> it doesn't feel like we should do another relase
2015-11-24 21:59 <Melanie_T> this will affect all those users who come new to opensim
2015-11-24 21:59 <Melanie_T> i dont know how many platforms have got a flipped default yet
2015-11-24 22:02 <diva> ok I replaced the release packages
2015-11-24 22:03 <Plugh> grr... git is such a pain when you have merge conflicts.
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2015-11-25 01:44 <zontreck> Hey, Can someone help me out for a second? I'm getting the error: System.TypeloadException - Could not load type 'opensim.region.pysicsmodules.meshing.zeromesher'
2015-11-25 01:44 <zontreck> and i made a typo.....
2015-11-25 01:45 <zontreck> lol
2015-11-25 01:52 <zontreck> http://pastebin.com/2WwjK8Cf - full section i'm seeing where it crashed upon loading/creating a region
2015-11-25 01:53 <Ubit> 'OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModules.Meshing.ZeroMesher'? are you sure ?
2015-11-25 01:53 <zontreck> view the log, im sure
2015-11-25 01:54 <Ubit> well it should work, question is if you want it :)
2015-11-25 01:54 <zontreck> No, i don't. I have in the OpenSim.ini, Meshmerizer, the default
2015-11-25 01:55 <zontreck> thats why this is odd, i have no intention to use zeromesher
2015-11-25 01:55 <Ubit> ohh ok its on initial modules scan then
2015-11-25 01:56 <zontreck> any suggestions then?
2015-11-25 01:56 <Ubit> hmm and seems grid side
2015-11-25 01:57 <zontreck> need me to post my configuration or something?
2015-11-25 01:57 <Ubit> hmm file a mantis, since now im busy with other thing :(
2015-11-25 01:59 <Ubit> if was a install on a clean floder or on top of old one ?
2015-11-25 02:03 <osmantis> Bug #7759:04 ZeroMesher blocks region load 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7759 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-25 02:03 <zontreck> it was a clean build from master code
2015-11-25 02:04 <zontreck> i'm going to just rollback my git to a commit i know worked and work with that till this is looked into
2015-11-25 02:05 <zontreck> i'd fix it myself... but sadly i know C++ better than C# :P
2015-11-25 02:37 <diva> zontreck that looks like old dlls 
2015-11-25 02:38 <zontreck> How could that be though if i built it from the master repository?
2015-11-25 02:43 <osmantis> Bug #7759:04 ZeroMesher blocks region load 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7759 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-25 02:44 <osmantis> Bug #7759:04 ZeroMesher blocks region load 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7759 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-11-25 02:52 <osmantis> Bug #7758:04 Map tile refresh rate not obeying [MAP] maptilerefesh setting in OpenSimDefaults.ini and OpenSim.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7758 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-25 03:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #4457 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-25 03:27 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-25 03:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4457: SUCCESS in 6 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4457/
2015-11-25 03:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  remove default of 60minutes on MapImageService Refresh time, forgotten from early merge debug
2015-11-25 03:34 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-25 03:44 <osmantis> Bug #7761:04 Viewer crashes consistently while crossing border between 0.9 with ubode enabled regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7761 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-25 03:47 <osmantis> Bug #7762:04 Mesh becomes invisible on tp between 0.9 / ubode regions. not consistant. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7762 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-25 03:47 <osmantis> Bug #7761:04 Viewer crashes consistently while crossing border between 0.9 with ubode enabled regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7761 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-25 03:49 <osmantis> Bug #7762:04 Mesh becomes invisible on tp between 0.9 / ubode regions. not consistant. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7762 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-25 03:55 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-25 04:07 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-25 04:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #4458 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-25 04:13 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-25 04:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4458: SUCCESS in 4 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4458/
2015-11-25 04:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  suspend the use of DisableSimulator, that is causing teleport and crossing issues
2015-11-25 04:20 <osmantis> Bug #7761:04 Viewer crashes consistently while crossing border between 0.9 with ubode enabled regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7761 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-25 04:25 <osmantis> Bug #7762:04 Mesh becomes invisible on tp between 0.9 / ubode regions. not consistant. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7762 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-25 04:25 <osmantis> Bug #7757:04 Region lost its properies, terrain information and other things 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7757 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-25 04:27 <osmantis> Bug #7758:04 Map tile refresh rate not obeying [MAP] maptilerefesh setting in OpenSimDefaults.ini and OpenSim.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7758 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-25 06:42 <osmantis> Bug #7754:04 Duplicate chat output from agents and objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7754 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-25 07:02 <osmantis> Bug #7754:04 Duplicate chat output from agents and objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7754 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-25 08:13 <osmantis> Bug #7754:04 Duplicate chat output from agents and objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7754 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-25 08:42 <osmantis> Bug #7758:04 Map tile refresh rate not obeying [MAP] maptilerefesh setting in OpenSimDefaults.ini and OpenSim.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7758 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-11-25 15:18 <jakdaniels> Has the sync to https://github.com/opensim/opensim stopped? last commit was 15af626 3 days ago...
2015-11-25 15:22 <nebadon> jakdaniels probably
2015-11-25 15:22 <nebadon> im not even sure we have control over that anymore
2015-11-25 15:22 <nebadon> http://github.com/nebadon2025/opensimulator
2015-11-25 15:22 <nebadon> should be fully update
2015-11-25 15:25 <jakdaniels> seems to be stuck on the last commit I made, nothing has hit it since. Not to worry I'll just do a 'git remote set-url origin git://opensimulator.org/git/opensim' and switch to the real source ;)
2015-11-25 15:27 <nebadon> its not your fault
2015-11-25 15:27 <nebadon> coyled actually shut it off it seems
2015-11-25 15:29 <nebadon> he sent me email couple days ago i just noticed
2015-11-25 15:29 <nebadon> Just and FYI that I unfortunately had to break the github.com/opensim/opensim mirror.  GitHub has this weird �feature� where all activity using a deploy key is presumed to be activity by a human.  So every time somebody commits to the opensim repo it shows up as something I did, because 3 years ago I was the one who added the deploy key to GitHub.  That was annoying so I removed the key I added.
2015-11-25 15:29 <nebadon> i'll forward it on to core
2015-11-25 15:38 <jakdaniels> ok nebadon, thanks
2015-11-25 16:44 <osmantis> Bug #7758:04 Map tile refresh rate not obeying [MAP] maptilerefesh setting in OpenSimDefaults.ini and OpenSim.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7758 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-25 16:53 <osmantis> Bug #7758:04 Map tile refresh rate not obeying [MAP] maptilerefesh setting in OpenSimDefaults.ini and OpenSim.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7758 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-11-25 16:56 <osmantis> Bug #7752:04 Teleports out of var regions with a lot of prims/textures often fails with viewer timeout and viewer crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7752 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-25 17:10 <osmantis> Bug #7752:04 Teleports out of var regions with a lot of prims/textures often fails with viewer timeout and viewer crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7752 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-25 17:14 <Ken_S> Do any of the devs have any input or comments to add to the following mantis item?
2015-11-25 17:14 <osmantis> Bug #7752:04 Teleports out of var regions with a lot of prims/textures often fails with viewer timeout and viewer crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7752 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-25 17:20 <osmantis> Bug #7752:04 Teleports out of var regions with a lot of prims/textures often fails with viewer timeout and viewer crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7752 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-25 17:25 <osmantis> Bug #7752:04 Teleports out of var regions with a lot of prims/textures often fails with viewer timeout and viewer crash. Viewer problem??? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7752 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-25 17:41 <seth_> Has anyone noticed that the GitHub mirror for OpenSim appears to have stopped being sync'd.  The last commit it shows was from 3 days ago.
2015-11-25 17:45 <nebadon> yes
2015-11-25 17:45 <nebadon> i have an alt for now
2015-11-25 17:45 <nebadon> http://github.com/nebadon2025/opensimulator
2015-11-25 17:45 <nebadon> it has all the branches too
2015-11-25 17:46 <nebadon> it syncs every 3 minutes
2015-11-25 17:47 <seth_> Thanks.  I'll update my notes with the new mirror.
2015-11-25 19:08 <Ubit> ohh why is mantis so quiet ?
2015-11-25 19:09 <Ken_S> Shhhhuuush lol
2015-11-25 19:09 <Ubit> oops yes.. yr right Shhhhhuusssh
2015-11-25 20:04 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-25 20:18 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-25 21:55 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-25 22:05 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-11-26 02:19 <osmantis> Bug #7763:04 OpenSim crashes on shutdown (Windows) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7763 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-26 03:41 <osmantis> Bug #7763:04 OpenSim crashes on shutdown (Windows) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7763 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-26 04:24 <osmantis> Bug #7763:04 OpenSim crashes on shutdown (Windows) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7763 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-26 04:29 <osmantis> Bug #7763:04 OpenSim crashes on shutdown (Windows) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7763 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-26 04:39 <osmantis> Bug #7763:04 OpenSim crashes on shutdown (Windows) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7763 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-26 05:04 <osmantis> Bug #7763:04 OpenSim crashes on shutdown (Windows) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7763 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-26 05:08 <osmantis> Bug #7763:04 OpenSim crashes on shutdown (Windows) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7763 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-26 05:12 <osmantis> Bug #7763:04 OpenSim crashes on shutdown (Windows) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7763 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-26 05:15 <osmantis> Bug #7763:04 OpenSim crashes on shutdown (Windows) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7763 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-26 05:21 <osmantis> Bug #7763:04 OpenSim crashes on shutdown (Windows) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7763 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-26 11:30 <jakdaniels> What's happened to osmantis.... it's not posting here any more.
2015-11-26 12:24 <osmantis> Bug #7764:04 ENTITY TRANSFER child agent handling incorrect? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7764 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-26 14:23 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (minus Z) trashed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-26 14:28 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at minus Z) trashed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-26 14:46 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at minus Z) trashed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-26 14:48 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at negative Z) trashed and load oar now fails for items with negative Z 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-26 15:19 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at negative Z) trashed and load oar now fails for items with negative Z 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-26 15:47 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at negative Z) trashed and load oar now fails for items with negative Z 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-26 15:58 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): has been ACKNOWLEDGED.
2015-11-26 16:09 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at negative Z) trashed and load oar now fails for items with negative Z 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-26 16:31 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at negative Z) trashed and load oar now fails for items with negative Z 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-11-26 16:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #4459 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-26 16:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4459: SUCCESS in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4459/
2015-11-26 16:45 <osjenkins> melanie: Mantis #7765: Add new ClampNegativeZ option. Defaults to false to restore prior functionality.
2015-11-26 17:34 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at negative Z) trashed and load oar now fails for items with negative Z 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): has been REOPENED.
2015-11-26 17:50 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at negative Z) trashed and load oar now fails for items with negative Z 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-26 17:57 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at negative Z) trashed and load oar now fails for items with negative Z 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-26 18:11 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at negative Z) trashed and load oar now fails for items with negative Z 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-26 23:46 -!- IgorVorotiloff(~GuyCharle@unaffiliated/igorvorotiloff) has left #opensim-dev
2015-11-27 00:12 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at negative Z) trashed and load oar now fails for items with negative Z 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-27 00:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #4460 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-27 00:19 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at negative Z) trashed and load oar now fails for items with negative Z 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-27 00:22 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at negative Z) trashed and load oar now fails for items with negative Z 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-27 00:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4460: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4460/
2015-11-27 00:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Fix Region Max height in boundingSize parameters checking in ArchiverModule.cs to float.MaxValue .. as was changed in ArchiveReadRequest.cs in commit 71f5c2b856aeab2b535094804f15317d5dc544e1 A comparison of consistent 'default' values determines whether boundingBox check is true.
2015-11-27 00:32 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at negative Z) trashed and load oar now fails for items with negative Z 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-27 00:37 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at negative Z) trashed and load oar now fails for items with negative Z 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-27 02:59 <osmantis> Bug #7764:04 ENTITY TRANSFER child agent handling incorrect? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7764 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-27 03:45 <Plugh> jakdaniels: ping
2015-11-27 04:21 <osmantis> Bug #7766:04 Making Hypergrid Landmarks, and buying objects from Kitely to 0.9 code does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7766 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-27 04:27 <osmantis> Bug #7761:04 Viewer crashes consistently while crossing border between 0.9 with ubode enabled regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7761 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-27 04:32 <osmantis> Bug #7761:04 Viewer crashes consistently while crossing border between 0.9 with ubode enabled regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7761 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-27 05:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #4461 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-27 05:04 <osmantis> Bug #7761:04 Viewer crashes consistently while crossing border between 0.9 with ubode enabled regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7761 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-27 05:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4461: SUCCESS in 5 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4461/
2015-11-27 05:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  change threading on GetTexture and GetMesh NonSharable region modules
2015-11-27 05:26 <osmantis> Bug #7762:04 Mesh becomes invisible on tp between 0.9 / ubode regions. not consistant. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7762 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-27 05:33 <osmantis> Bug #7761:04 Viewer crashes consistently while crossing border between 0.9 with ubode enabled regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7761 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-27 05:48 <osmantis> Bug #7762:04 Mesh becomes invisible on tp between 0.9 / ubode regions. not consistant. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7762 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-27 07:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #4462 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-27 07:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4462: SUCCESS in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4462/
2015-11-27 07:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  change threading on GetTexture and getMesh and WebFetch Modules.
2015-11-27 09:02 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at negative Z) trashed and load oar now fails for items with negative Z 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-27 09:13 <osmantis> Bug #7761:04 Viewer crashes consistently while crossing border between 0.9 with ubode enabled regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7761 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-27 09:17 <osmantis> Bug #7764:04 ENTITY TRANSFER child agent handling incorrect? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7764 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-27 09:31 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at negative Z) trashed and load oar now fails for items with negative Z 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-27 09:49 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at negative Z) trashed and load oar now fails for items with negative Z 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-27 09:58 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-27 11:24 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at negative Z) trashed and load oar now fails for items with negative Z 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-27 13:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #4463 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-27 13:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4463: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4463/
2015-11-27 13:38 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  change JobEngine stop code and add a extra check for thread removed on watchdog timeout checks
2015-11-27 13:38 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  revert last change to watchdog timeouts, that should not be needed
2015-11-27 13:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #4464 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-27 13:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4464: SUCCESS in 4 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4464/
2015-11-27 13:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove thread Heartbeat from watchdog
2015-11-27 13:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #4465 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-27 14:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4465: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4465/
2015-11-27 14:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change Backup on scene close to Forced, and not dependent on last change time.
2015-11-27 14:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #4466 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-27 14:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4466: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4466/
2015-11-27 14:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: DeregisterRegion from grid earlier on close
2015-11-27 14:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #4467 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-27 14:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4467: FAILURE in 4 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4467/
2015-11-27 14:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: stop some requests processing when module as no scenes (there must be a better way to fix this)
2015-11-27 14:44 <Ubit> really ?
2015-11-27 14:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #4468 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4466 54 min ago)
2015-11-27 15:00 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-11-27 15:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4468: FIXED in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4468/
2015-11-27 15:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a delay to consume other change messages on move and cross
2015-11-27 16:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #4469 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2015-11-27 16:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4469: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4469/
2015-11-27 16:30 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Sometimes the viewer sends a null string as mapName; this made the client thread throw an exception with unexpected behavior for users (nothing happens). This commit gives it a sane default: it assumes we're looking for a position in the current region.
2015-11-27 16:38 <Plugh> Is a hud treated like an attachment?
2015-11-27 16:38 <Ubit> it is a attachment
2015-11-27 16:39 <Plugh> good.
2015-11-27 16:40 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: ping
2015-11-27 18:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #4470 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-27 18:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4470: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4470/
2015-11-27 18:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: coment out warnings that do a messed around number of threadpool workitens and number of active threads ( at least when a pool is in use)
2015-11-27 19:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #4471 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-27 19:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4471: SUCCESS in 4 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4471/
2015-11-27 19:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add missing Xengine MinTimerInterval to opensim.ini.example
2015-11-27 19:33 <Ubit> jenkins.. was a ini.. no need to compile :p
2015-11-27 19:55 <jakdaniels> Why hardcode a terrain clamp to 0 < Z < 655.35 ??
2015-11-27 19:55 <Ubit> 655.35 where ?
2015-11-27 19:56 <jakdaniels> TerrainChannel.cs around line 165 ish
2015-11-27 19:56 <Dev_Random> jakdaniels:  that was done because Z-vals are represented by ints
2015-11-27 19:56 <Dev_Random> 65536
2015-11-27 19:56 <jakdaniels> I thought they were floats and doubles
2015-11-27 19:57 <Dev_Random> they are, but not in the HeightMap, IIRC
2015-11-27 19:57 <Dev_Random> compression factor = 100.
2015-11-27 19:57 <Ubit> internal terrain has been ints, then shorts, then ushorts, now floats
2015-11-27 19:58 <Ubit> at two formats on db are suported.. the  shorts ( with compression ) and the new floats
2015-11-27 19:58 <Ubit> ( ushorts whould do fo SL terrain.. but i gave up on them )
2015-11-27 19:59 <Ubit> err i mean shorts with that "compression factor"
2015-11-27 19:59 <Ubit> new terrain has gzip compression on bd
2015-11-27 20:00 <Ubit> db...
2015-11-27 20:00 <Ubit> then there are the inport export file formats..
2015-11-27 20:01 <Ubit> so where have you seen that limit ?
2015-11-27 20:01 <jakdaniels> Those checks were introduced in avmmerge
2015-11-27 20:01 <Ubit> possible is a left over from the ushorts format
2015-11-27 20:02 <jakdaniels> it hard caps terrain values to between 0 and 655.36m There was no such checks in old master
2015-11-27 20:02 <Dev_Random> I didn't realize it was all floats in there now.  nice.
2015-11-27 20:02 <Ubit> old master even had -325 to 325 range at a point
2015-11-27 20:02 <Ubit> yeap i changed to floats
2015-11-27 20:03 <Ubit> if ints where needed, better floats then,, same 4 bytes
2015-11-27 20:04 <jakdaniels> so anyway, that single point in the code caps all terrain heights to those limits. Imports from OAR, or terrain commands on console, or digging in world.
2015-11-27 20:04 <jakdaniels> I will just make the limits .ini options I think
2015-11-27 20:04 <Ubit> nahh
2015-11-27 20:04 <Ubit> can't be
2015-11-27 20:04 <jakdaniels> But also, avatar cannot go below 0m either or TP below 0m so this is becoming a can of worms....
2015-11-27 20:05 <Ubit> we need to decide a range and make it the standard
2015-11-27 20:05 <Ubit> or oars etc will be a mess
2015-11-27 20:05 <jakdaniels> well apparently old master did not have limits, and people took advantage of it for under sea builds....
2015-11-27 20:05 <jakdaniels> seemed to work i guess
2015-11-27 20:06 <Ubit> lots of things do seem to work on this :p
2015-11-27 20:06 <Dev_Random> I like the concept of using floats, and an offset for the entire region.. so a mountain region could be offset at 1000m, and an undersea region could be offset at -100m
2015-11-27 20:06 <jakdaniels> but I know that AVN does want limits and it is good to be able to set them....
2015-11-27 20:07 <jakdaniels> I don't see why the world should be limited to ground at 0m
2015-11-27 20:07 <AllenKerensky> long-term I'd rather the entire existing terrain setup get ripped out - and just hand viewers a "patch" of terrain from an algorythm
2015-11-27 20:07 <Ubit> well  range should not be more than the sl 510m
2015-11-27 20:07 <AllenKerensky> and the patch be able to model from planetary or solar system scale numbers
2015-11-27 20:07 <Ubit> or textures bake will be ugly
2015-11-27 20:08 <jakdaniels> in a very deep sea diving sim, sea level would have to be set at 100+m
2015-11-27 20:08 <AllenKerensky> or 0,0,0 be the planetary core...
2015-11-27 20:08 <jakdaniels> so 510m is the range limit?
2015-11-27 20:08 <Ubit> it can be more now
2015-11-27 20:09 <jakdaniels> what is the range that can fit into terrain patches?
2015-11-27 20:09 <Ubit> region side...
2015-11-27 20:09 <Ubit> don't know..  even with the 510m sl warns to keep the range reduced
2015-11-27 20:10 <Ubit> or the 4 terrain textures will not bake correctly they say
2015-11-27 20:10 <jakdaniels> what does actually gets sent to the viewer? Ordinary floats, or ints and a range byte?
2015-11-27 20:11 <Ubit> a mess lol
2015-11-27 20:11 <AllenKerensky> could look it up from the message template
2015-11-27 20:11 <AllenKerensky> probably a large array of ints
2015-11-27 20:11 <Ubit> hmm well corrent terrain compressor assumes 10bits
2015-11-27 20:11 <AllenKerensky> and its unsigned in the message but signed int he code or some other horrible incompatibility
2015-11-27 20:12 <Ubit> terrain is sent compressed..
2015-11-27 20:12 <Melanie_T> there is NO guarantee that future viewers will support negative Z as it's completly uncommon
2015-11-27 20:12 <Melanie_T> so we need to support this because content using this misfeature exists
2015-11-27 20:12 <Melanie_T> but new builds should be encouraged to set sea level high enough to get the water depth they need
2015-11-27 20:13 <Ubit> that content could be reloaded with vertical displacement
2015-11-27 20:13 <Ubit> but and how negative ?
2015-11-27 20:13 <Melanie_T> the terrain cap to 0 <= terrain <= 655m needs to go, though, it's a relic
2015-11-27 20:14 <jakdaniels> I'm tempted just to put some .ini options in: bool ClampTerrainHeights; float ClampTerrainMin; float ClampTerrainMax;
2015-11-27 20:14 <Ubit> that will make this a mess jak.. no standard
2015-11-27 20:15 <Melanie_T> jakdaniels: it's either to allow negative, or not to allow
2015-11-27 20:15 <Melanie_T> the danger in allowing is that future viewers may not handle it gracefully
2015-11-27 20:15 <jakdaniels> yes, so just forget about an upper limit?
2015-11-27 20:16 <Melanie_T> float.MaxValue :)
2015-11-27 20:16 <Ubit> the compressor has limited range jak
2015-11-27 20:16 <Melanie_T> aah so we do need to limit it to that
2015-11-27 20:16 <Melanie_T> and that would be a hard limit because else it'll blow up
2015-11-27 20:16 <jakdaniels> beign as we don't know how things will break with excessive negative or positive vales, that's why I suggested tbeing able to cap both
2015-11-27 20:17 <Ubit> uff have to review it  so guess range
2015-11-27 20:18 <Ubit> hmm it has a prescale mult factor so result are ints
2015-11-27 20:20 <Ubit> hmm why is terraincompressor on region.framework?  uff
2015-11-27 20:21 <jakdaniels> heh... it's a nightmare finding where things are. find xargs and grep are my best friends....
2015-11-27 20:23 <Ubit> well the DC term is sent as float
2015-11-27 20:24 <Ubit> so average level of terrain can have a nice range..  ( at protocol level )
2015-11-27 20:25 <Ubit> const int maxwbits = 17; // per header encoding
2015-11-27 20:25 <jakdaniels> I'm guessing a region with excessive negative and positive heights will work, but the height resolution will be severely diminished?
2015-11-27 20:26 <Ubit> this max number of bits each term can have
2015-11-27 20:27 <Ubit> and there is a pre multiply  so result are ints
2015-11-27 20:28 <Ubit> well pre mult is dinamic 
2015-11-27 20:28 <Ubit> so yeap resolution will vary with  scale
2015-11-27 20:29 <Ubit> ( resolution of 2d "frequency terms"
2015-11-27 20:30 <Ubit> no ideia about viewers rez limits
2015-11-27 20:31 <Ubit> but they are surface viewers
2015-11-27 20:31 <Ubit> they assume we are near ground within sl limits
2015-11-27 20:32 <Ubit> ( also the 4000m for max fly and objects )
2015-11-27 20:32 <Ubit> out side  viewers start to show ugly things
2015-11-27 20:33 <Ubit> ( like the auxiliar things to make ilumination  shadows etc )
2015-11-27 20:34 <Ubit> but a viewer dev can tell it better :)
2015-11-27 20:34 <jakdaniels> that's why I originally used Constants.RegionHeight and not float.MaxValue for Z defaults in the load oar stuff ;)
2015-11-27 20:34 <Ubit> we do like spaceships at 10000m :)
2015-11-27 20:35 <Ubit> yeap but skyboxes are a norm everywhere
2015-11-27 20:37 <Ubit> hmm falling from 10000 takes time :)
2015-11-27 20:39 <Ubit> well terrain compressor parameters are optimize for the sl range
2015-11-27 20:39 <Ubit> how negative did people went ?
2015-11-27 20:40 <Ubit> max water level is 100 ?
2015-11-27 20:40 <Dev_Random> I've only seen a few negative ones.  I don't think any were below -100.
2015-11-27 20:41 <misterblue> probably should replace that '655.36' in TerrainChannel.cs with Constants.RegionHeight at least... constants scattered around are gotcha's waiting to happen
2015-11-27 20:41 <Ubit> max high for tht textures seems to be 500m
2015-11-27 20:42 <Ubit> well  -500 to 500 :)
2015-11-27 20:42 <Ubit> on singu alpha
2015-11-27 20:43 <Ubit> ( but thats blend range..
2015-11-27 20:43 <Ubit> Constants.RegionHeight is what 4000 ?
2015-11-27 20:44 <Ubit> don't thing that will work fine...
2015-11-27 20:44 <misterblue> 4096... but not sure what it really means... it gets passed to physics engine and is enforced here and there
2015-11-27 20:45 <Ubit> hmm not on ode
2015-11-27 20:45 <Ubit> current high limit on ubode is hmm 100 000  ?? :)
2015-11-27 20:45 <misterblue> the SL model is a region goes up forever :)
2015-11-27 20:45 <Ubit> on ode 50 000 ?
2015-11-27 20:46 <Ubit> the 4000 as no place on physics
2015-11-27 20:46 <misterblue> I was slowly adding z specification so regions could be on top of each other... that's why there are calls like GetTerrainHeightAtXYZ()
2015-11-27 20:47 <Ubit> using what viewer ?
2015-11-27 20:47 <misterblue> no viewer... but if OpenSim could support the datastructures, maybe someday...
2015-11-27 20:48 <Ubit> mb
2015-11-27 20:49 <misterblue> in theory, OpenSimulator is a generalized, module, extensible virtual world simulator... that just happens to support one particular viewer/compatability set
2015-11-27 20:49 <Ubit> think there more funny extentions than levels of terrain
2015-11-27 20:50 <misterblue> 'module' -> 'modular'
2015-11-27 20:50 <Ubit> like pontual gravity etc
2015-11-27 20:50 <Dev_Random> So misterblue, you envision another TerrainData class with "layers" in it?
2015-11-27 20:50 <Ubit> so we can walk on the outside of a asteriod..  or at inside walls of a ship
2015-11-27 20:51 <jakdaniels> ditch the LL terrain concept and use mesh terrains and specify by UUID which ones are 'ground' ;)
2015-11-27 20:51 <Dev_Random> or make caves
2015-11-27 20:51 <RiRa> Is remoteadmin broken in 0.8.2 ?
2015-11-27 20:51 <Ubit> caves is other thing
2015-11-27 20:52 <misterblue> stackable terrain seems odd... I'd think stackable regions so one had multiple physics engines, prim counts, ...
2015-11-27 20:52 <Dev_Random> ah
2015-11-27 20:53 <Ubit> hmm or vertical region crossings :)
2015-11-27 20:53 <jakdaniels> so would you get from regionTop to regionBottom via digging through Top's ground and falling into Bottom?
2015-11-27 20:53 <Dev_Random> Lemmings.
2015-11-27 20:54 <Ubit> well we can do that with osteleport
2015-11-27 20:55 <Ubit> what was previus max terrain height mister?
2015-11-27 20:56 <Dev_Random> I like the stackable Region concept.  e.g. Have a big var as a continent, and then put a dedicated smaller region on top for each city.  Or a big var as a moat around your island.
2015-11-27 20:56 <Ubit> ( well forgetting the 327 case . )
2015-11-27 20:57 <Ubit> oops i did left the ushorts limits behind
2015-11-27 20:58 <jakdaniels> so I would like to add some Defaults.ini options: ClampTerrainHeights = false; ClampTerrainMin = -100f; ClampTerrainMax = 4096f; Or shall we just remove the limits like in old master? What does everyone think?
2015-11-27 21:01 <Ubit> old master had limits at least the shorts version
2015-11-27 21:02 <jakdaniels> but it had no clamping in // ITerrainChannel.this[x,y]
2015-11-27 21:02 <jakdaniels>         public double this[int x, int y]....
2015-11-27 21:02 <jakdaniels> terrainChannel.cs:149
2015-11-27 21:05 <Ubit> well is easier to extend range in future than reduce if something goes wrong...
2015-11-27 21:27 <misterblue> I think it was OS didn't do limits and people got away with anything that didn't crash the viewer
2015-11-27 21:29 <Ubit> and bc of that we can't use the more compact ushorts
2015-11-27 21:31 <Dev_Random> OS didn't have restrictive limits.  I was testing it before the new terrain code, and I was able to terraform at about 1million metres.
2015-11-27 21:32 <Dev_Random> did a terrain fill 950000 or so, and then started making features.
2015-11-27 22:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #4472 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-27 22:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4472: SUCCESS in 4 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4472/
2015-11-27 22:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a nasty global lock, ode.dll requires on multi regions per instance ( also make sure ninjaJoints are disabled
2015-11-27 23:31 <OtakuMegane_> Yeah, terrain had no limits to my knowledge other than the usual int32. Had one region I think I did put terrain at negative 1 million just to try.
2015-11-27 23:32 <Ubit> no need so high to suicide :P
2015-11-27 23:32 <Melanie_T> i'm not aware of avination adding any terrain absolute limits 
2015-11-27 23:32 <Melanie_T> maybe guards against neg Z
2015-11-27 23:32 <Melanie_T> but for the rest, avn code honors the terrform limits set in estate settings
2015-11-27 23:32 <OtakuMegane_> Only real amounts I've used though were around -15 which was simply to allow deeper ocean but not all boring flat at 0.
2015-11-27 23:33 <Melanie_T> and those are max. +-100
2015-11-27 23:33 <Melanie_T> i just heard they were added during testing. 
2015-11-27 23:33 <Melanie_T> so that's ok, they can go away
2015-11-27 23:34 <Ubit> ok doing it
2015-11-27 23:34 <OtakuMegane_> OS doesn't have a lot of arbitrary limits on things like this lol. The viewer becomes a limit before OS does usually.
2015-11-27 23:34 <Ubit> well will do it soon :)
2015-11-27 23:36 <Ubit> they aren't that arbitrary...
2015-11-27 23:36 <Ubit> most sl limits have a valid reason..  others.. well
2015-11-27 23:37 <Melanie_T> all sl limits had good reasons
2015-11-27 23:37 <Melanie_T> just not in the eyes of the users
2015-11-27 23:37 <Melanie_T> many reasons for LL limits were commercial in nature
2015-11-27 23:37 <Melanie_T> causing artificial shotages
2015-11-27 23:37 <Melanie_T> +r
2015-11-27 23:37 <OtakuMegane_> They had reasons, yes. But unless it's a technical/things-will-asplode limit, I consider it arbitrary.
2015-11-27 23:38 <Melanie_T> nope. it's not arbitrary if it's based on business math
2015-11-27 23:38 <Melanie_T> not like someoe threw a dart
2015-11-27 23:38 <OtakuMegane_> Are you sure? :)
2015-11-27 23:38 <OtakuMegane_> This is LL after all.
2015-11-27 23:39 <Melanie_T> yes. having a grid if m own, i can easily see where these limits benefitted their business
2015-11-27 23:41 <OtakuMegane_> Oh I understand the business reasons quite well. Doesn't mean I agree with them. Part of why I left. But that's me, I'm not exactly a business type, I just like doing awesome stuff because reasons.
2015-11-27 23:43 <OtakuMegane_> Most users are perfectly fine with SL's limits though otherwise things obviously would not have held this long. Just the creative, crazy ones like me that get annoyed.
2015-11-27 23:44 <Ubit> most make tech sense
2015-11-27 23:45 <Ubit> good for them that also means more $$ ;)
2015-11-27 23:46 <Melanie_T> the combination prim count / area / prim size
2015-11-27 23:46 <Melanie_T> pure business
2015-11-27 23:47 <OtakuMegane_> Well that's well known lol
2015-11-27 23:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #4473 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-27 23:47 <OtakuMegane_> People on SL griped about it already when I first got on in '08.
2015-11-27 23:48 <Dev_Random> LL's terrain limit was based on their encoding.  They used 2 bytes... one channel 0-255, and scaling of (0to 255)/128.  Gave roughly 0-510.
2015-11-27 23:50 <OtakuMegane_> Never had a private sim, too much for what it offered so never really tested terrain limits there.
2015-11-27 23:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4473: SUCCESS in 4 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4473/
2015-11-27 23:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove terrain height clamping left over the ushort format testing
2015-11-27 23:51 <OtakuMegane_> And mainland had limited terraforming range of course.
2015-11-27 23:52 <Ubit> ooops
2015-11-27 23:52 <Ubit> 
ACTION looks to the ceiling

2015-11-27 23:53 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION clamps the ceiling at 2m.

2015-11-27 23:53 <OtakuMegane_> lol
2015-11-27 23:55 <OtakuMegane_> Of course even SL's limits got broken from time to time. Like the creation of the megaprim sets. For which many a builder has been thankful. :)
2015-11-27 23:56 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-11-27 23:57 <OtakuMegane_> Remember for a while it was possible to glitch a prim up at insane heights. Interacting with it would make it go back down but long as it was left alone it just sat up there.
2015-11-28 00:03 <OtakuMegane_> Darn, thought I had a picture from back then but guess not.
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2015-11-28 00:23 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-28 00:28 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-28 00:38 <OtakuMegane_> Sure enough, it seems to work now. Both shutdown command and ctrl-c
2015-11-28 00:38 <Ubit> nice
2015-11-28 00:39 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-28 00:47 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-28 00:49 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-28 00:52 <OtakuMegane_> Hmm, looks like whatever fixed it may be very close to the commit slow putzo last had fail
2015-11-28 00:52 <Ubit> mb the Getxxx things
2015-11-28 00:52 <OtakuMegane_> Yeah, I'm on those now
2015-11-28 00:58 <osmantis> Bug #7768:04 llCollisionSound function does not work in current release V0.9.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7768 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-28 00:59 <OtakuMegane_> Looks like that was it. f16d36627f949a3568fea09dddcb76c9f8d823e6 - change threading on GetTexture and GetMesh NonSharable region modules
2015-11-28 00:59 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-28 00:59 <Ubit> yeap my bet was there :)
2015-11-28 01:00 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-28 01:01 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-28 01:09 <OtakuMegane_> I should make a compile-and-launch script for testing stuff...
2015-11-28 01:10 <Plugh> Is there a way to access the top scripts information via a script?
2015-11-28 01:31 <osmantis> Bug #7768:04 llCollisionSound function does not work in current release V0.9.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7768 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-28 02:48 <osmantis> Bug #7768:04 llCollisionSound function does not work in current release V0.9.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7768 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-28 03:09 <osmantis> Bug #7763:04 OpenSim crashes on shutdown (Windows) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7763 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-28 04:48 <osmantis> Bug #7767:04 Using the quit command results in red error messages, one for every sim in the instance. Does this every time. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7767 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-28 13:36 <jakdaniels_> Ubit, another difference I've noticed since testing negative terrain stuff. Set the terrain to say -5m. On a bullet region you can walk on it at -5m no problem. On a ubode region you cannot go below 0m,  in fact you walk on nothing :)
2015-11-28 14:11 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at negative Z) trashed and load oar now fails for items with negative Z 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-28 14:15 <osmantis> Bug #7769:04 [LLUDPSERVER]: Packet exceeded buffer size! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7769 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-28 14:17 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at negative Z) trashed and load oar now fails for items with negative Z 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-28 14:53 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at negative Z) trashed and load oar now fails for items with negative Z 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-28 16:47 <osmantis> Bug #7741:04 ODE: starting with existing regions generates a fatal error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7741 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-28 17:19 <TheStuntman> is this a place I can ask and ponder about various errors I'm getting in a new OpenSim installation running on Grid, debian wheezy, Robust?
2015-11-28 17:21 <TheStuntman> when creating a new user in Robust I'm being spat out
2015-11-28 17:21 <TheStuntman> Command error: MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlException: Table 'opensim.Reginald' doesn't exist
2015-11-28 17:21 <TheStuntman>   at MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlStream.ReadPacket () [0x00000]: in <filename unknown>:0
2015-11-28 17:21 <TheStuntman>   at MySql.Data.MySqlClient.NativeDriver.GetResult (System.Int32& affectedRow, System.Int32& insertedId) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
2015-11-28 17:22 <TheStuntman> So my region is call Reginald, but it looks like it's trying to find the table in the wrong place strangely enough. This is the recent build listed on the website
2015-11-28 18:39 <misterblue> jakdaniels: BulletSim used to not let let things below zero Z but there was a request to allow some negative height so BulletSim was changed to allow down to -500
2015-11-28 18:40 <misterblue> [BulletSim]TerrainGroundPlane = -500 is the INI parameter
2015-11-28 18:42 <TheStuntman> so I finally fixed my issue with the Robust server not finding the region. But now I've ran into a completely different issue that isn't actually giving me a reason for failed login
2015-11-28 18:42 <TheStuntman> [REMOTE SIMULATION CONNECTOR]: QueryAccess to http://167.114.86.163:9000/agent/f0167b9f-9b9d-479e-a200-a897f7e75ad9/3c53c2e1-0d58-437d-ae8c-e94cbe3c5a88/ returned False, reason , version 0.4/0.4
2015-11-28 18:42 <TheStuntman> after that, I get a fallback returned 0 regions and then it logs me out
2015-11-28 18:47 <TheStuntman> wonder if it's because of the client viewer version, going to go download singularity real fast
2015-11-28 18:54 <TheStuntman> nopes, that wasn't the issue :/
2015-11-28 18:54 <TheStuntman> well I'm at a loss then
2015-11-28 19:12 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at negative Z) trashed and load oar now fails for items with negative Z 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-28 19:21 <osmantis> Bug #7770:04 crash when visiting one of two regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7770 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-28 19:25 <osmantis> Bug #7770:04 crash when visiting one of two regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7770 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-28 19:26 <TheStuntman> 
ACTION twiddles thumbs while staring at configs, hopelessly drooling

2015-11-28 19:35 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at negative Z) trashed and load oar now fails for items with negative Z 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-28 19:50 <TheStuntman> current Robust log for those curious: http://pastebin.com/hu9PdnRX
2015-11-28 20:07 <TheStuntman> 
ACTION starts banging head against keyboard

2015-11-28 20:28 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at negative Z) trashed and load oar now fails for items with negative Z 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-28 22:04 <osmantis> Bug #7765:04 Region with deep water (some items at negative Z) trashed and load oar now fails for items with negative Z 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7765 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-11-28 23:16 <osmantis> Bug #7768:04 llCollisionSound function does not work in current release V0.9.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7768 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-28 23:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #4474 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-28 23:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4474: SUCCESS in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4474/
2015-11-28 23:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let old ODE trigger collision sounds like ubOde
2015-11-29 00:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #4475 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-29 00:05 <osmantis> Bug #7768:04 llCollisionSound function does not work in current release V0.9.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7768 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-29 00:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4475: SUCCESS in 4 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4475/
2015-11-29 00:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let Bullet do collision sounds (RAdams plz fix the relative speed)
2015-11-29 00:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #4476 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-29 00:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4476: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4476/
2015-11-29 00:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix the default shape type on upload, it is always convex
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2015-11-29 05:19 <nebadon> https://goo.gl/lqdtbb
2015-11-29 05:28 <Dev_Random> nebadon: You always nail the soundtrack.
2015-11-29 05:30 <nebadon> :)
2015-11-29 05:30 <nebadon> from one of my favorite demos, masagin
2015-11-29 05:31 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbQhgEJuExY
2015-11-29 05:33 <Dev_Random> LOL... just got to the dance bit...  nice
2015-11-29 05:33 <nebadon> :)
2015-11-29 05:46 <nebadon> misterblue > this is with Raspberry Pi 2 using bulletsim XNA https://goo.gl/lqdtbb
2015-11-29 05:46 <nebadon> just updated it to master git tonight
2015-11-29 06:08 <nebadon> diva ping
2015-11-29 07:04 <osmantis> Bug #7771:04 llRotLookAt on physical state not working properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7771 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-29 07:37 <Plugh> nebadon: Heard about the Pi Zero?
2015-11-29 08:59 <osmantis> Bug #7763:04 OpenSim crashes on shutdown (Windows) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7763 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-29 09:03 <osmantis> Bug #7767:04 Using the quit command results in red error messages, one for every sim in the instance. Does this every time. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7767 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-29 14:18 <osmantis> Bug #7767:04 Using the quit command results in red error messages, one for every sim in the instance. Does this every time. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7767 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-29 14:19 <osmantis> Bug #7767:04 Using the quit command results in red error messages, one for every sim in the instance. Does this every time. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7767 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-11-29 14:41 <osmantis> Bug #7771:04 llRotLookAt on physical state not working properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7771 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-29 14:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #4477 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-29 14:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4477: SUCCESS in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4477/
2015-11-29 14:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change llLookAt math to master cleaner solution, assuming lAxis2rot does work
2015-11-29 16:56 <velus> neb you about?>
2015-11-29 16:56 <nebadon> hey velus whats up
2015-11-29 16:57 <velus> there is a probelem in world in cc the npc guys are having problems can you come in and have a look please
2015-11-29 16:59 <nebadon> ah sure give me a moment
2015-11-29 17:00 <velus> ok thanks
2015-11-29 17:00 <nebadon> what region?
2015-11-29 17:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #4478 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-29 17:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4478: SUCCESS in 5 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4478/
2015-11-29 17:54 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Trying to make http requests less slow, according to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2519655/httpwebrequest-is-extremely-slow
2015-11-29 18:18 <nebadon> diva have you noticed any difference with this change?
2015-11-29 18:20 <nebadon> im updating my raspberry pi sim now :)
2015-11-29 18:21 <diva> neba, no I haven't measured. I was hoping people would report informally
2015-11-29 18:22 <nebadon> k im sure any improvement to http pipelines will be good even if only minor, every little bit helps
2015-11-29 18:22 <nebadon> sending the viewer wrong or incomplete data is really bad
2015-11-29 18:22 <diva> this will affect TPs primarily. I didn't touch the http requests for assets, because I wasn't sure if som people actually want to have proxies there
2015-11-29 18:22 <nebadon> k
2015-11-29 18:23 <nebadon> thats good, tps and logins are traditionally the worst performing parts
2015-11-29 18:23 <nebadon> in terms of comms
2015-11-29 18:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #4479 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-11-29 18:29 <Ubit> hmm ?
2015-11-29 18:30 <nebadon> the merge ubit?
2015-11-29 18:31 <nebadon> wierd how merges do that heh
2015-11-29 18:31 <Ubit> yeap
2015-11-29 18:31 <nebadon> always that moment of panic heh
2015-11-29 18:32 <Ubit> :)
2015-11-29 18:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4479: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4479/
2015-11-29 18:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix llLookAt in non-physical case
2015-11-29 18:36 <nebadon> raspberry pi region updated, lets see how it feels :)
2015-11-29 18:42 <nebadon> diva my teleport didnt go well
2015-11-29 18:42 <nebadon> ton of missing content, avatar is invisible
2015-11-29 18:43 <nebadon> i dont see any unusual messages on the console
2015-11-29 18:43 <diva> try again
2015-11-29 18:43 <nebadon> seems like its only mesh
2015-11-29 18:43 <nebadon> i see all the prims
2015-11-29 18:44 <Ubit> doesnt seem related
2015-11-29 18:44 <Ubit> well i didn't test here still
2015-11-29 18:44 <nebadon> let me update sisyphus on fast server
2015-11-29 18:44 <nebadon> teleporting out isnt going so well either but let me verify on fast server
2015-11-29 18:46 <nebadon> ok direct login to this region i see content loading
2015-11-29 18:46 <nebadon> let me run this same exact test again before i restart anything
2015-11-29 18:47 <Ubit> hmm and the proxy change is on getting things from grid etc
2015-11-29 18:47 <Ubit> not sending to avatar
2015-11-29 18:48 <nebadon> ok this time it worked
2015-11-29 18:48 <nebadon> hmm
2015-11-29 18:48 <nebadon> maybe was just a fluke
2015-11-29 18:48 <nebadon> let me try teleporting out
2015-11-29 18:48 <Ubit> err or sending things to other sims also :)
2015-11-29 18:48 <nebadon> teleport out went ok as well
2015-11-29 18:48 <nebadon> last time i had my cache cleared
2015-11-29 18:48 <nebadon> let me repeat again with cache cleared
2015-11-29 18:49 <nebadon> i waited for sim to fully load and inventory to finish before i teleported
2015-11-29 18:49 <Ubit> don't know but checking for proxy setting should be fast...
2015-11-29 18:49 <nebadon> i can say for sure opensim feels way more stable on raspberry pi now
2015-11-29 18:49 <nebadon> and a lot faster
2015-11-29 18:50 <Ubit> btw  do we have a proxy setting ?
2015-11-29 18:51 <nebadon> there is proxy settings in robust
2015-11-29 18:53 <nebadon> ok must have been a fluke diva
2015-11-29 18:53 <nebadon> i cant make it happen again so far
2015-11-29 18:53 <nebadon> sucks when first time you try spurious things happen
2015-11-29 18:54 <nebadon> i like being able to test opensim with the raspberry pi, even if just for performance sake
2015-11-29 18:54 <nebadon> you can really see the difference in performance with all these code changes
2015-11-29 18:55 <Ubit> tested loading WP there ? :)
2015-11-29 18:55 <nebadon> not enough ram lol
2015-11-29 18:55 <nebadon> 1gb ram
2015-11-29 18:55 <Ubit> :)
2015-11-29 18:55 <nebadon> it runs quite well though
2015-11-29 18:55 <nebadon> for something so small
2015-11-29 18:56 <Ubit> don't they say size doesnt matter? :)
2015-11-29 18:56 <nebadon> lol
2015-11-29 19:22 <nebadon> well both Sisyphus and OKC Raspberry Pi2 are updated
2015-11-29 19:22 <nebadon> and teleporting between them several times seems ok
2015-11-29 20:34 <zsa> Has anyone installed SineWaveCert.pfx for nsl.dsl money module on Linux ? I have looked everywhere but I can only find info for windows. Linux certificate tutorials tend to be application pertinent - so nothing for opensim. There is also 'server_cert.p12', but I think this is for windows only as the .pfx is extracted from this I believe. I have made several attempts, but I get only bad authentication on trying to log in to re
2015-11-29 20:34 <zsa> gion after installing cert's, without cert's its fine, but of course ... no money module connection. There is 'Josh Boam's' video tutorial, but this is windows only and also a little vague on detail. Or is there a decent written tutorial anywhere, as the readme that comes with nsl.dsl module, is lacking any sort of detail and the reference for certification is mostly Japanese with no English equivalent.
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2015-11-30 16:54 <diva> Ubit, Melanie, nebadon: regarding that bug fix for 0.8.2: I'm thinking of tagging a new minor release 0.8.2.1 for it. I don't think I want to to back and make this be release 0.8.2.0
2015-11-30 16:54 <nebadon> ya that makes more sense
2015-11-30 16:54 <Ubit> ok
2015-11-30 16:55 <nebadon> people may not know to fix it if we dont
2015-11-30 20:59 <osmantis> Bug #7772:04 Possible missing UUIDs in AssetXferUploader Commits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7772 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-30 21:02 <osmantis> Bug #7772:04 Possible missing UUIDs in AssetXferUploader Commits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7772 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-30 21:04 <osmantis> Bug #7772:04 Possible missing UUIDs in AssetXferUploader Commits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-30 21:05 <osmantis> Bug #7772:04 Possible missing UUIDs in AssetXferUploader Commits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-30 21:07 <osmantis> Bug #7772:04 Possible missing UUIDs in AssetXferUploader Commits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7772 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-11-30 21:08 <osmantis> Bug #7772:04 Possible missing UUIDs in AssetXferUploader Commits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-11-30 21:40 <osmantis> Bug #7772:04 Possible missing UUIDs in AssetXferUploader Commits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7772 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-11-30 22:49 <diva> Melanie_T ping
2015-11-30 23:03 <jasond> looks like mono addins is broken in 0.8.2 and 0.8.3 
2015-11-30 23:03 <jasond> C:\Users\Administrator\Downloads\opensim-master\opensim-master\bin>mautil.exe -r
2015-11-30 23:03 <jasond> eg . reg-update
2015-11-30 23:03 <jasond> ERROR: Add-in scan operation failed. The runtime may have encountered an error w
2015-11-30 23:03 <jasond> hile trying to load an assembly.
2015-11-30 23:03 <jasond> ERROR: Add-in scan operation failed (Could not load file or assembly 'file:///C:
2015-11-30 23:03 <jasond> \Users\Administrator\Downloads\opensim-master\opensim-master\bin\Mono.Addins.dll
2015-11-30 23:03 <jasond> ' or one of its dependencies. Operation is not supported. (Exception from HRESUL
2015-11-30 23:03 <jasond> T: 0x80131515))
2015-11-30 23:03 <jasond> ERROR: The add-in database could not be updated. It may be due to file corruptio
2015-11-30 23:03 <jasond> n. Try running the setup repair utility
2015-11-30 23:06 <Melanie_T> diva: pong
2015-11-30 23:07 <diva> hey melanie did you see the fix that Ubit did on 0.8.2 regarding the simulation version?
2015-11-30 23:07 <diva> wanted to make sure it's ok, before I package it up
2015-11-30 23:07 <osmantis> Bug #7773:04 Unable to install di 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7773 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-11-30 23:07 <Melanie_T> no it's not
2015-11-30 23:07 <diva> apparently it was making sims crash
2015-11-30 23:07 <Melanie_T> it's not necessary and needs to be taken back
2015-11-30 23:07 <diva> Ubit ping
2015-11-30 23:08 <Melanie_T> i already msgd' ubit but he dropped out of irc
2015-11-30 23:08 <diva> ok then
2015-11-30 23:08 <Melanie_T> here's the proper fix
2015-11-30 23:08 <diva> i'll wait unilt everyone is on the same page
2015-11-30 23:08 <Melanie_T> we redefine the protocols as this:
2015-11-30 23:08 <Melanie_T> 0.3 : knows nothing of more than the legacy max wearables
2015-11-30 23:09 <Melanie_T> 0.4 : knows about the physics wearable but needs a fixed packet of the legacy size. no variable wearables
2015-11-30 23:09 <jasond> diva unable to install wifi
2015-11-30 23:09 <Melanie_T> 0.5 : full vriable wearable support
2015-11-30 23:09 <Melanie_T> this way, 0.8.2 which DOES handle the ohysics wearable won't be forced back to cutting it off
2015-11-30 23:10 <Melanie_T> and the existing release doesn't need to be changed
2015-11-30 23:10 <diva> does anything need to be added?
2015-11-30 23:10 <Melanie_T> we just need to change 0.9's notion of the protocol
2015-11-30 23:10 <Melanie_T> i can do that but not now. i've driven all day
2015-11-30 23:10 <Melanie_T> and i really just want to see a bed
2015-11-30 23:11 <diva> ok
2015-11-30 23:11 <Melanie_T> the release is fine as it is
2015-11-30 23:11 <Melanie_T> ubit's change should not be applied
2015-11-30 23:11 <Melanie_T> and no repacking is necessary
2015-11-30 23:11 <Melanie_T> but all 0.9 early adpotors need to update as soon as i fix 0.9
2015-11-30 23:12 <Melanie_T> this way people who expect releases to be stable and not having to update all the time will be ok
2015-11-30 23:12 <diva> jasond I installed wifi on a grid in 0.8.2 and didn't have any problem. Make sure your bin directory is crystal clean, all old dlls and mono addins gone
2015-11-30 23:13 <jasond> this is straight from github also tried with pecompiled version from opensim site
2015-11-30 23:13 <jasond> same issue
2015-11-30 23:14 <Melanie_T> use the mono addins install. it's smooth as silk
2015-11-30 23:14 <jasond> thats what i have errors with
2015-11-30 23:14 <jasond> ERROR: Add-in scan operation failed. The runtime may have encountered an error while trying to load an assembly.
2015-11-30 23:15 <Melanie_T> you need to delete the addin-db, then start opensim once without the wifi installed
2015-11-30 23:15 <Melanie_T> that way it registers it's own assmblies
2015-11-30 23:15 <jasond> opensim or robust?
2015-11-30 23:15 <Melanie_T> there is also a command to scan and register but starting it once is easier
2015-11-30 23:15 <Melanie_T> robust
2015-11-30 23:15 <Melanie_T> the point is that robust needs to register the dlls that make up it's own addins since diva needs the interfaces
2015-11-30 23:16 <Melanie_T> then install the wifi using mono addins
2015-11-30 23:16 <Melanie_T> mautil
2015-11-30 23:19 <Melanie_T> diva: the original thought was that 0.4 should fall back automagically. but the corrections ubit made over the past weeks prevent that. ubit likes the quick fix. sure, cut off functionality but fox it quick, don't fix it right!
2015-11-30 23:19 <Melanie_T> so i'll fix 0.9 to work with 0.8.2 as it is, tomorrow probably
2015-11-30 23:19 <diva> ok, fine. I'm glad we don't need to change the release
2015-11-30 23:36 <nebadon_> at this point OSCC is not changing
2015-11-30 23:36 <nebadon_> it will stay on 0.3
2015-11-30 23:36 <nebadon_> its just too close 
2015-11-30 23:38 <Melanie_T> i agree
2015-11-30 23:38 <Melanie_T> why chance things
2015-11-30 23:38 <nebadon_> yea
2015-11-30 23:39 <nebadon> OSCC is running the very latest 0.8.2-post-fixes as of today though
2015-11-30 23:39 <Melanie_T> well, then don't update when i revert ubit's patch
2015-11-30 23:39 <nebadon> ya i wont
2015-11-30 23:40 <nebadon> its pretty much locked in for now
2015-11-30 23:40 <Melanie_T> because even though i'm fixing 0.9 there is no guarantee that everyone will update before saturday
2015-11-30 23:40 <nebadon> right
2015-11-30 23:40 <nebadon> it was all kind of done as an emergency fix
2015-11-30 23:41 <Melanie_T> well, it does the job for that pirpose
2015-11-30 23:41 <nebadon> yea
2015-11-30 23:41 <Melanie_T> purpose
2015-11-30 23:41 <jasond> ok not getting the same errors but its not adding the repo
2015-11-30 23:41 <Melanie_T> but it has to be fixed riht
2015-11-30 23:41 <Melanie_T> cutting functionality is not a fix
2015-11-30 23:41 <nebadon> for sure
2015-11-30 23:42 <nebadon> jasond i went through the wifi setup with diva a few days ago for OSCC grid
2015-11-30 23:42 <nebadon> and it worked 
2015-11-30 23:43 <nebadon> however i cant gaurantee any docs you may be looking at are 100% correct either though
2015-11-30 23:43 <nebadon> what version of mono?
2015-11-30 23:43 <nebadon> make sure you have mono-complete
2015-11-30 23:44 <jasond> ahh looking at the repo i see no addons fro 0.8.3
2015-11-30 23:45 <nebadon> 0.8.3 was short lived
2015-11-30 23:46 <nebadon> there will not expect an 0.8.3 package from diva
2015-11-30 23:46 <nebadon> err, botched that, I would not expect
2015-11-30 23:49 <jasond> what version are we on now
2015-11-30 23:51 <OtakuMegane> You know, sometimes I'm not sure, lol
2015-11-30 23:52 <nebadon> master is now 0.9.0-dev
2015-11-30 23:52 <jasond> wow big jump
2015-11-30 23:52 <nebadon> usually diva only goes as high as the release
2015-11-30 23:52 <jasond> take it is a major release
2015-11-30 23:52 <nebadon> there was a big code merge with avination
2015-11-30 23:52 <jasond> ode
2015-11-30 23:53 <OtakuMegane> The avi merge was pretty big on changes and even in the time that's been going other things have been in progress as well.
2015-11-30 23:53 <jasond> been awhile since i looked at the commits
2015-11-30 23:54 <Melanie_T> 0.8.3 was never released
2015-11-30 23:54 <Melanie_T> it existed as a version in the dev repo
2015-12-01 00:09 <osmantis> Bug #7773:04 Unable to install di 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7773 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-12-01 00:18 <osmantis> Bug #7731:04 IRCBridgeModule random connect issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7731 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2015-12-01 02:48 <jasond> diva wifi and mono addins uterly broken
2015-12-01 02:48 <jasond> http://pastebin.com/mZk7Urg6
2015-12-01 02:48 <jasond> tried with every version from 8.2 up
2015-12-01 02:49 <jasond> you should remove the repo system and just do drop in dll
2015-12-01 02:51 <jasond> Also Diva if you are going to make modules you need to have clear and exact documentation on how to install 
2015-12-01 03:00 <jasond> Diva i also see i am not the only person having this issue and i see that you have not responded back to them. I do hope that you fix this issue as i did like your wifi system. 
2015-12-01 03:14 <diva> jasond I have about zero time for costumer support
2015-12-01 03:15 <AllenKerensky> and given its free and open software, you have about zero "customers" in the traditional sense too *wink*
2015-12-01 03:15 <diva> I make Wifi primarily for me. You're all welcome to use it. But you're all on your own for support.
2015-12-01 03:16 <nebadon> diva is this info still correct > http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/diva-addons/wifi-and-other-diva-addons/
2015-12-01 03:16 <diva> yes
2015-12-01 03:16 <nebadon> ok cool
2015-12-01 03:16 <nebadon> so i know where to point folks
2015-12-01 03:16 <nebadon> anything else i should be pointing people to?
2015-12-01 03:16 <diva> no, that's it
2015-12-01 03:16 <jasond> that is the information i used
2015-12-01 03:17 <nebadon> k
2015-12-01 03:17 <jasond> as og 0.8.2 it failes to work
2015-12-01 03:17 <jasond> of
2015-12-01 03:17 <nebadon> we just did it
2015-12-01 03:17 <nebadon> on OSCC grid
2015-12-01 03:17 <nebadon> and it worked, so it is possible
2015-12-01 03:17 <diva> I did it on my grids and it works
2015-12-01 03:17 <nebadon> i used the 0.8.2 tar.gz from the website
2015-12-01 03:17 <jasond> i can get it to work but non on version older that 0.8.1
2015-12-01 03:18 <jasond> newer*(
2015-12-01 03:18 <nebadon> what version of mono is this?
2015-12-01 03:18 <jasond> dot net 3.5 4.0 4.5
2015-12-01 03:18 <jasond> i havge all versins of dot net installed
2015-12-01 03:18 <nebadon> oh you are running this in windows?
2015-12-01 03:18 <nebadon> i have never tested it in windows
2015-12-01 03:19 <jasond> along with visual studio 2010 2013 
2015-12-01 03:19 <jasond> all requirements are met
2015-12-01 03:19 <nebadon> that is not so easy for me to test at the moment
2015-12-01 03:19 <jasond> no access to windows?
2015-12-01 03:19 <nebadon> i do but its a brand new computer
2015-12-01 03:20 <nebadon> i still have a bunch of stuff to set up
2015-12-01 03:20 <nebadon> everything else is linux
2015-12-01 03:21 <diva> I have 5 minutes, let me try it here from the package that's on opensimulator.org
2015-12-01 03:23 <nebadon> thanks diva
2015-12-01 03:23 <nebadon> funny in my head ive convinced myself no one uses windows anymore
2015-12-01 03:23 <nebadon> lol
2015-12-01 03:23 <nebadon> for opensim at least hehe
2015-12-01 03:24 <jasond> microsoft gave me 250 windows server 2008 and 250 server 2012 licences
2015-12-01 03:24 <jasond> so i use windows
2015-12-01 03:24 <nebadon> dang
2015-12-01 03:25 <OtakuMegane> It seems more people hosting from home computers. Think the good majority with servers/VPS are on Linux, though not all.
2015-12-01 03:25 <jasond> they also gave me all the office products and desktop os licences too
2015-12-01 03:25 <nebadon> i really have nothing against microsoft other than the price
2015-12-01 03:25 <nebadon> its just to expensive 
2015-12-01 03:26 <jasond> i use it because its free lol
2015-12-01 03:26 <nebadon> yea thats great
2015-12-01 03:26 <nebadon> i used to have microsoft select access
2015-12-01 03:26 <nebadon> books and books of dvds of every microsoft app ever
2015-12-01 03:26 <jasond> im on volume licensing
2015-12-01 03:27 <diva> ok I see the problem jasonp
2015-12-01 03:27 <OtakuMegane> Microsoft's stuff is pretty good these days, just pricey. But it has never really fit me well so I've never used it outside of times I have no choice.
2015-12-01 03:27 <jasond> what did i mess up diva
2015-12-01 03:28 <diva> I'm not sure
2015-12-01 03:28 <diva> I'm seeing what youre seein, but I still don't know why
2015-12-01 03:29 <jasond> seems if i compile then it works up to mautil.exe -reg . install Diva.Wifi
2015-12-01 03:29 <jasond> then gives same error
2015-12-01 03:30 <diva> I think the problem is related ot having thr mono addins folder in bin
2015-12-01 03:31 <diva> let me try to make it work, then I'll tell you
2015-12-01 03:31 <jasond> ok if i do this on linux can i move it to windows after? or does it get locked to linux
2015-12-01 03:32 <nebadon> its very portable
2015-12-01 03:32 <jasond> ill do it on linux and see if i get errors if not then its a windows only issue
2015-12-01 03:32 <nebadon> i even run it on my Raspberry Pi 2
2015-12-01 03:32 <nebadon> you wont
2015-12-01 03:32 <nebadon> we have both done it
2015-12-01 03:32 <jasond> yah i got opensim running on my amaxon fire phone it worked good up to 8 people
2015-12-01 03:33 <nebadon> haha nice
2015-12-01 03:33 <jasond> opensim is one of the easiest programs i have worked with usaly
2015-12-01 03:33 <nebadon> hah wow, never thought id hear someone say those words
2015-12-01 03:33 <OtakuMegane> Running stuff on a phone. That is still just...weird to me. Awesome, but weird.
2015-12-01 03:34 <jasond> well android is linux based aslong as its rooted just make a chroot with debain 
2015-12-01 03:34 <jasond> then you can run any cli based program
2015-12-01 03:35 <jasond> mono complete even compiled on it lol
2015-12-01 03:35 <nebadon> i was surprised how good it runs on the pi
2015-12-01 03:35 <jasond> but the pi can not run a viewer 
2015-12-01 03:35 <jasond> that sucked
2015-12-01 03:35 <nebadon> http://opensimworld.com/hop/75034-OKC-Raspberry-Pi2
2015-12-01 03:36 <nebadon> well ya, that is a tall order for any phone hardware
2015-12-01 03:36 <OtakuMegane> Opensim is pretty lightweight aside from physics or heavy scripting.
2015-12-01 03:36 <jasond> wow nice recreation
2015-12-01 03:36 <OtakuMegane> Wasn't always so good, of course lol.
2015-12-01 03:37 <nebadon> :) thanks its fun to see how far I can push it
2015-12-01 03:37 <nebadon> we had about 10 avatars one day
2015-12-01 03:37 <nebadon> maybe 12
2015-12-01 03:37 <jasond> you should try installing it on a buffalow router
2015-12-01 03:37 <nebadon> memory is the big factor, its not really possible with less than 1gb ram
2015-12-01 03:37 <nebadon> its just terrible otherwise
2015-12-01 03:38 <nebadon> not for anything serious anyway
2015-12-01 03:38 <nebadon> i hope they eventually make a 2gb pi
2015-12-01 03:38 <nebadon> that would be awesome
2015-12-01 03:39 <jasond> i noticed that while mesh has lower land impact it lags when enerting regions with tons of mesh
2015-12-01 03:39 <diva> I'm testing on linux now
2015-12-01 03:39 <nebadon> yea anytime http thrashes especially texture pipeline it can create nasty lag
2015-12-01 03:39 <jasond> the next pi is likely to be 4gb mem or more with octacore cpu
2015-12-01 03:40 <nebadon> you can try adjusting the Interest Management
2015-12-01 03:40 <nebadon> i like FrontBack myself
2015-12-01 03:40 <diva> ok, so it works in linux
2015-12-01 03:40 <nebadon> but you might experiment with the various choices
2015-12-01 03:40 <diva> this is a problem that only shows in Windows
2015-12-01 03:40 <nebadon> nice diva
2015-12-01 03:41 <diva> I almost never test mono addins in windows. let me find out what the heck is the problem
2015-12-01 03:42 <jasond> i attached a debugger to it but had no errors that had meaning
2015-12-01 03:42 <jasond> just operation not permited seems like a uac message
2015-12-01 03:43 <nebadon> microsoft has a lot of vauge messages like that
2015-12-01 03:43 <nebadon> like "out of resources"
2015-12-01 03:43 <nebadon> could be like 100 different things lol
2015-12-01 03:44 <jasond> yes they are vauge and i hate them linux errors make sence 
2015-12-01 03:45 <jasond> except on linux the case of the commands matter same with file names and that i wish i could disable
2015-12-01 03:50 <diva> jasond do me a favor
2015-12-01 03:51 <jasond> yes?
2015-12-01 03:51 <diva> before I port this to 0.8.2, can you please pull master, get these 4 files and dump them on your 0.8.2 installation
2015-12-01 03:51 <diva> they are:
2015-12-01 03:51 <diva> mautil.exe, Mono.Addins.CecilReflector.dll, Mono.Addins.dll, Mono.Addins.Setup.dll 
2015-12-01 03:51 <jasond> ok
2015-12-01 03:52 <diva> just grab these 4 files from master and dump them on your 0.8.2
2015-12-01 03:52 <diva> on windows
2015-12-01 03:52 <diva> and run mautil.exe -reg . reg-update
2015-12-01 03:52 <diva> tell me if it works
2015-12-01 03:55 <jasond> ok i think its working
2015-12-01 03:55 <diva> great
2015-12-01 03:56 <diva> one of the dlls was somewhat outdated, and only windows complains
2015-12-01 03:57 <jasond> hmm nope back to the same error looks like the file changed after restarting robust
2015-12-01 03:57 <diva> what do you mean
2015-12-01 03:59 <diva> I was able to install Wifi here on my windows machine with those dlls replaced
2015-12-01 04:00 <diva> oh shoot
2015-12-01 04:00 <diva> SharpSZlib also needs updating
2015-12-01 04:00 <diva> grrr
2015-12-01 04:01 <jasond> ok
2015-12-01 04:02 <jasond> i dont see SharpSZlib
2015-12-01 04:03 <diva> there, grab that one too
2015-12-01 04:03 <diva> afk, but do write here if this solves the problem for you on windows (it finally did for me)
2015-12-01 04:04 <nebadon> thanks diva :)
2015-12-01 04:06 <jasond> i have the files in addin folder even tho it gives same error
2015-12-01 04:07 <jasond> no html files and robust reports wifi disabled
2015-12-01 04:08 <diva> just start again from scratch
2015-12-01 04:08 <diva> rm addin-db directory
2015-12-01 04:08 <diva> robust doesn't know about wifi
2015-12-01 04:08 <diva> there's nothing in robust that reports onm the status of wifi
2015-12-01 04:09 <diva> if you want to see what's installed run mautil -reg . list
2015-12-01 04:15 <jasond> it does when you start robust but  its working now
2015-12-01 04:15 <jasond> thank you diva
2015-12-01 04:15 <diva> ok thanks for pointing it out. I never test mono addins in windows
2015-12-01 04:18 <nebadon> nice
2015-12-01 04:21 <jasond> on windows i can confirm it still gives an error but it does work
2015-12-01 04:23 <diva> what error?
2015-12-01 04:24 <diva> I don't see any error
2015-12-01 04:30 <jasond> hmm the error i was getting before except this time it actualy install wifi
2015-12-01 04:31 <diva> I don't see any error here on my test
2015-12-01 04:31 <diva> the error on reg-update went away with the first commit; the error on install Wifi went away with the second
2015-12-01 04:41 <jasond> its likley an issue with my setup but it is working
2015-12-01 04:46 <misterblue> are we holding off on master source changes until after the conference? I have some small BulletSim fixes
2015-12-01 04:48 <nebadon> no let them rip
2015-12-01 04:48 <nebadon> it wont break teleporting to OSCC will it?
2015-12-01 04:49 <nebadon> i cant imagine it would
2015-12-01 04:50 <misterblue> shouldn't break anything (<fingers-crossed-emoji/>)... fixes avatars standing on moving objects and collision sounds
2015-12-01 04:51 <nebadon> i can test
2015-12-01 04:52 <nebadon> does this mean better elevators?
2015-12-01 04:54 <misterblue> I didn't test elevators... I know that trains work :)
2015-12-01 04:54 <nebadon> nice
2015-12-01 05:07 <nebadon> Sisyphus is updated
2015-12-01 05:14 <nebadon> misterblue ping
2015-12-01 05:14 <nebadon> oh now it stopped
2015-12-01 05:15 <nebadon> the orange mclaren racer i was going around, went into burn out, then shift up high through several gears and the smoke particles and peel out noise kept going, eventually it stopped
2015-12-01 05:15 <nebadon> just figured it report anything unusual
2015-12-01 05:15 <nebadon> otherwise its running great
2015-12-01 05:15 <nebadon> ya its doing it again now
2015-12-01 05:16 <nebadon> seems the only way to get burn out to stop is to stop the vehicle 
2015-12-01 05:16 <nebadon> stop accelerating, i dont think it was like that before
2015-12-01 05:16 <misterblue> adding the sound was just returning a relative velocity for the collision... maybe the number being returned is too large
2015-12-01 05:17 <nebadon> this is actually kind of cool
2015-12-01 05:17 <nebadon> let me video it hehe
2015-12-01 05:18 <misterblue> I used UBit's formula... I'll ask him when he is around
2015-12-01 05:21 <Guest37240> Hey, I'm trying to create a module, I've finished creating one. but How do I get OpenSimulator to include my DLL?
2015-12-01 05:23 <misterblue> If it is a just a module... you put it in the bin directory and it will be loaded
2015-12-01 05:25 <misterblue> there is also mono packaging for modules... there's a link somewhere
2015-12-01 05:26 <misterblue> I think this is it: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Installing_3rd_party_addins
2015-12-01 05:27 <nebadon> misterblue > https://goo.gl/vu1Hou
2015-12-01 05:28 <nebadon> not sure if its related to anything you just did, but this seems like new behavior
2015-12-01 05:29 <nebadon> teleport to OSCC was ok :)
2015-12-01 05:32 <misterblue> what is generating the smoke in the car? that seems to stay on also
2015-12-01 05:33 <nebadon> ya its a script that triggers it
2015-12-01 05:33 <nebadon> let me look how its doing it
2015-12-01 05:33 <nebadon> 1 sec jumping back to sisyphus
2015-12-01 05:33 <misterblue> the tire smoke is happening while the squeeling is happening... like it thinks it is burning out the whole time
2015-12-01 05:33 <nebadon> yea
2015-12-01 05:34 <nebadon> it uses link_message
2015-12-01 05:34 <nebadon> to send signals from the main scripts to the tires
2015-12-01 05:35 <nebadon> llLoopSound for the sound
2015-12-01 05:35 <nebadon> nothing fancy at all
2015-12-01 05:35 <nebadon> pretty standard stuff it looks like
2015-12-01 05:36 <nebadon> this is not my script original
2015-12-01 05:36 <misterblue> the simulator will queue the collision sound if there is a collision and the relative velocity of the collision is non-zero
2015-12-01 05:36 <nebadon> i switched to Hans script but i tuned it way differently
2015-12-01 05:36 <nebadon> well its not a collision sound
2015-12-01 05:36 <nebadon> thats why im not sure this is even related to your current work
2015-12-01 05:36 <misterblue> UBit had fixed the 'no sound on collision' but by computing it in ubODE and patching a fixed 2.0 into BulletSim
2015-12-01 05:36 <nebadon> this is just part of the gear shifting
2015-12-01 05:37 <nebadon> its the only odd thing I noticed during testing
2015-12-01 05:37 <nebadon> never seen it do this before
2015-12-01 05:37 <nebadon> possible its a result of the avination merge as well
2015-12-01 05:38 <nebadon> Ubit_zzz must be sleeping :)
2015-12-01 05:38 <misterblue> collisions and shifting sound unrelated
2015-12-01 05:42 <nebadon> ya that is what i figured
2015-12-01 05:42 <nebadon> seems very stable otherwise
2015-12-01 06:11 <Guest37240> I've got my .dll inside the bin/ directory and it doesn't seem to be loading. (printing what I saw to the log), must I do something witht he .dll assembilies for them to be accepted/loaded
2015-12-01 06:13 <SammyG3> nebadon, ive been seeing the constant tire smoking for a while on ubode, mainly on mesh track, using Shin Ingen script in one of Hans cars.
2015-12-01 06:13 <nebadon> yea same scripts in my car
2015-12-01 06:13 <nebadon> though he has a newer one now i think
2015-12-01 06:13 <nebadon> mines based on a older version
2015-12-01 06:14 <nebadon> tuned way differently than his are
2015-12-01 06:14 <SammyG3> i tuned mine a little.  made a banked version of daytona, actual size, works well, except really bumpy going into and out of the corners
2015-12-01 06:14 <SammyG3> mesh
2015-12-01 06:15 <nebadon> do you have invisible sphere tires
2015-12-01 06:15 <nebadon> and the mesh is all no physics?
2015-12-01 06:15 <nebadon> you dont really want the mesh parts of your car to collide
2015-12-01 06:16 <nebadon> make a basic mesh body and sphere tires
2015-12-01 06:16 <nebadon> sorry basic prim body and sphere tires
2015-12-01 06:16 <SammyG3> i have the black corvette
2015-12-01 06:16 <SammyG3> from when he was giving them away for the osgid birthday
2015-12-01 06:17 <SammyG3> I have not examined the build itself
2015-12-01 06:17 <SammyG3> just the script
2015-12-01 06:17 <SammyG3> tuned it so would take corners better
2015-12-01 06:17 <nebadon> ahh ok i thought you meant you were making your own
2015-12-01 06:17 <nebadon> yea
2015-12-01 06:17 <SammyG3> track yes, car no
2015-12-01 06:17 <nebadon> you should check mine out if you havent
2015-12-01 06:17 <nebadon> get a copy at Sisyphus, its the orange McLaren
2015-12-01 06:17 <SammyG3> track still needs work, needs massaging for lack of a better word, to make it smoother
2015-12-01 06:18 <SammyG3> ok
2015-12-01 06:18 <nebadon> his are good for gigantic tracks
2015-12-01 06:18 <nebadon> mine is more a city racer
2015-12-01 06:19 <SammyG3> have you raced on ingen-lab track
2015-12-01 06:19 <nebadon> I think i saw it, but havent tried it
2015-12-01 06:20 <SammyG3> best track ive drivin on in Opensim... at least my opinion, its like driving in an arcade game
2015-12-01 06:20 <nebadon> nice
2015-12-01 06:20 <nebadon> have to check it out
2015-12-01 06:22 <SammyG3> he had it pretty prim free, but started adding in features, like a town and such, so dont know how that would be as far as lag.
2015-12-01 06:23 <nebadon> suppose that depends on your hardware and bandwidth :)
2015-12-01 06:23 <SammyG3> passed you a landmark inworld
2015-12-01 06:23 <nebadon> cool thanks!
2015-12-01 06:23 <SammyG3> name is ... HG MOTOPOLIS OPENSIM SPEEDWAY, OSGrandPrix (1194, 385, 21)
2015-12-01 06:26 <lillith_xue> Is here someone using 0.8.2.0-Release with FSAssets? i got some really stange problem :-(
2015-12-01 06:27 <SammyG3> had issues with landmark.... ingen-lab.com:8002 is the url
2015-12-01 06:27 <nebadon> oh ok its not on osgrid
2015-12-01 06:27 <nebadon> cool thanks
2015-12-01 06:28 <SammyG3> no, and that takes you to the welcome area, if you open map, the track is directly to the north.
2015-12-01 06:31 <lillith_xue> i restarted Robust today, since this time it looks like my Region can not access any asset from the server anymore. It begins with not finden the Materials on the Region: Prim "Primitive" (35c176fb-3ace-4c92-b85b-ea17e6fb7ccf) contains unknown material ID 8ce8d308-a64f-2734-240d-dbaa4eb84d4a. And ends with an half rezzed Avatar on login :-( If i swich back to 0.8.2-RC1 version of Robust it works well. I did compare both Robust.in
2015-12-01 06:32 <lillith_xue> if i try to access one of the missing asset-uuid's over my browser (ip:80/assets/id) i get a XML file that looks correct
2015-12-01 06:34 <Guest37240> Is there a way to manually load a module? via command line
2015-12-01 06:37 <Guest37240> It would appear not. Thank for the help before though @misterblue
2015-12-01 06:43 <misterblue> I've had problems getting things to load before... if they don't exactly match the class profile
2015-12-01 06:43 <misterblue> make sure you have the Assembly lines above it
2015-12-01 06:45 <misterblue> The module "ExtendedPhysics.cs" is a module that does load... you can start compare your sources to that
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2015-12-01 07:41 <Ubit_zzz> what hell
2015-12-01 07:41 <Ubit_zzz> my win7 was automaticly updating to win10 ???
2015-12-01 12:02 <osmantis> Bug #7749:04 llSensorRepeat using type value = 0 never returns a result 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7749 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-12-01 12:04 <osmantis> Bug #7774:04 Complex avatar with mesh parts fails to complete HG teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7774 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-01 12:12 <osmantis> Bug #7764:04 ENTITY TRANSFER child agent handling incorrect? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7764 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-01 12:21 <osmantis> Bug #7774:04 Complex avatar with mesh parts fails to complete HG teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7774 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-01 12:36 <osmantis> Bug #7774:04 Complex avatar with mesh parts fails to complete HG teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7774 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-01 12:48 <osmantis> Bug #7774:04 Complex avatar with mesh parts fails to complete HG teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7774 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-01 13:37 <osmantis> Bug #7774:04 Complex avatar with mesh parts fails to complete HG teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7774 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-01 13:38 <osmantis> Bug #7403:04 Failure to deliver assets to some viewers in a region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7403 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007774.
2015-12-01 13:38 <osmantis> Bug #7774:04 Complex avatar with mesh parts fails to complete HG teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7774 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007403.
2015-12-01 13:41 <osmantis> Bug #6755:04 Failing teleports and avatar returned to original source region without attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6755 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007774.
2015-12-01 13:41 <osmantis> Bug #7774:04 Complex avatar with mesh parts fails to complete HG teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7774 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006755.
2015-12-01 14:47 <diva_> what is 0.8.*3*-post-fixes? do we even have that branch?
2015-12-01 14:47 <Melanie_T> diva_: we have a mess on our hands and are preparing to roll a 0.8.3
2015-12-01 14:47 <diva_> ???
2015-12-01 14:47 <Melanie_T> 0.8.2 was supposed to be final but a major fix didn't make it in
2015-12-01 14:48 <Melanie_T> rather than rerolling 0.8.2, which is already in the wild, we're considering downgrading the protocols
2015-12-01 14:48 <Melanie_T> and making 0.8.3 that does have the fix
2015-12-01 14:48 <Melanie_T> so that the people who prefer to saty on a "safe" 0.8.x for a while don't mess it up for those who have newer versions
2015-12-01 14:48 <diva_> can't we do 0.8.2.1?
2015-12-01 14:49 <Melanie_T> you're the release manager
2015-12-01 14:50 <Melanie_T> if you think it warrants only a micro, fine
2015-12-01 14:50 <diva_> yes, I think this is minor. Even though I'd like to understand better what "this" entails
2015-12-01 14:50 <Melanie_T> nebadon's wearables crash
2015-12-01 14:51 <Melanie_T> that was supposed to work in 0.8.2 but some bounds check patches didn't make it in
2015-12-01 14:52 <diva_> practicalities: (1) did you undo Ubit's commit to 0.8.2-pf? (2) did you add this commit to 0.8.2-pf?
2015-12-01 14:53 <Melanie_T> i deleted the nw branch
2015-12-01 14:53 <Melanie_T> no i didn't remove ubit's commit yet. i asked him to do it, he may not have gotten around to it yet
2015-12-01 14:53 <diva_> thanks. I would much rather stay within the 0.8.2 branch, so that ppl who are following that branch get this fix easily
2015-12-01 14:53 <Ubit> be free to change my commits :)
2015-12-01 14:54 <Ubit> so..  uff lost again...
2015-12-01 14:55 <Ubit> so..
2015-12-01 14:56 <Ubit> 8.2  gets back to 0.4 ?
2015-12-01 14:56 <Ubit> master jumps to 0.5 ?
2015-12-01 15:00 <diva_> new branch again? I was thinking of using the 0.8.2 branch to cut any additional minor releases...
2015-12-01 15:01 <Ubit> 
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2015-12-01 15:02 <diva_> basically, melanie, I tend to follow stable branches. It's a bit of an inconvenience to switch branches, especially when there's just minor bug fixes
2015-12-01 15:09 <Melanie_T> diva_: sure. i have no issue with that and if 0.8.2.1 makes your life easier, good
2015-12-01 15:09 <Melanie_T> many people use wifi now
2015-12-01 15:09 <diva_> yeah, let's just stay within that branch instead of creating a new one
2015-12-01 15:09 <diva_> that branch = 0.8.2-pf
2015-12-01 15:09 <diva_> we don't need new branches for minor releases
2015-12-01 15:10 <diva_> I'll just switch VersionInfo.cs accordingly and then cut a new release from there
2015-12-01 15:11 <diva_> just port the fix there, and I'll tale care of the rest
2015-12-01 15:12 <Melanie_T> that won't work
2015-12-01 15:12 <diva_> ?
2015-12-01 15:12 <Melanie_T> ubit is making a separate fix to 0.8.2, but one too minor to roll an archive from
2015-12-01 15:13 <Melanie_T> but that fix should not be in 0.8.2.1
2015-12-01 15:13 <diva_> ok, now I"m really confused
2015-12-01 15:13 <Melanie_T> because it's 180 degrees to the changes there
2015-12-01 15:13 <Melanie_T> ok, once again
2015-12-01 15:13 <Melanie_T> 0.8.2.0 has a bug
2015-12-01 15:13 <Melanie_T> we circumvented it by making the newer version not send the data that crashes it
2015-12-01 15:14 <Melanie_T> so the people won't be forced to update to often
2015-12-01 15:14 <Melanie_T> but there is a "real" fix so that will go into 0.8.2-post-fixes
2015-12-01 15:14 <Melanie_T> and people who pick up source for self-building will get the benefit of it
2015-12-01 15:14 <Melanie_T> 0.8.2.1 fixes the same problem in another way, namely without sacrificing functionality
2015-12-01 15:15 <Melanie_T> the patch that will go into 0.8.2-post-ffixes is not compatible with the changes for 0.8.2.1
2015-12-01 15:15 <diva_> why do we need that?
2015-12-01 15:15 <Melanie_T> so you can't cut 0.8.2.1 from the 0.8.2 branch because ot would have that patch
2015-12-01 15:15 <diva_> but why do we need that alternative way of solving the problem?
2015-12-01 15:16 <Melanie_T> as a courtesy to those who pick up 0.8.2-post-fixes for self-compiling
2015-12-01 15:16 <Melanie_T> it makes them immune to the older 0.9 versions still out there
2015-12-01 15:16 <diva_> we just don't want sims to crash
2015-12-01 15:16 <Melanie_T> for the few weeks they will be out there
2015-12-01 15:16 <Melanie_T> that's the point
2015-12-01 15:16 <Melanie_T> the difference is in andling
2015-12-01 15:17 <diva_> so if the fix in 0.8.2-pf fixes the problem why do we ned another way of fixing the problem in 0.8.2.*?
2015-12-01 15:17 <Melanie_T> 0.8.2 fixes the crash by cutting down the array
2015-12-01 15:17 <Melanie_T> 0.8.2.1 fixes he problem by being tolerant of oversized arrays
2015-12-01 15:18 <Melanie_T> because i didn't want to make you generate new 0.8.2 binaries, i went a route that is more complicated but doesn't force people to update every few days
2015-12-01 15:18 <diva_> why don't we do that alternative fix in 0.8.2-pf?
2015-12-01 15:18 <diva_> I mean
2015-12-01 15:18 <diva_> I can generate 0.8.2.1 from the 0.8.2-pf branch
2015-12-01 15:18 <Melanie_T> because then we would not have the "courtesy fix" for self compilers
2015-12-01 15:18 <diva_> we don't need a different branch
2015-12-01 15:18 <Melanie_T> why does that branch hurt?
2015-12-01 15:19 <diva_> I am not going to port any fixes to it
2015-12-01 15:19 <diva_> I am only going to take care of 1 stable branch not 2
2015-12-01 15:19 <Melanie_T> then that should be 0.8.2.1
2015-12-01 15:19 <diva_> why not using 0.8.2-pf?
2015-12-01 15:19 <Melanie_T> and 0.8.2 doesn't need anything backported
2015-12-01 15:19 <diva_> that's what I'm trying to understand
2015-12-01 15:19 <Melanie_T> because of an incompatible fix
2015-12-01 15:20 <diva_> just do the one that fixes it best
2015-12-01 15:20 <Melanie_T> i'm concerned with keeping the history readable
2015-12-01 15:21 <diva_> I don't want to have to switch branches; it's very inconvenient. If there are major bug fixes, fine, but for minor it's a pain
2015-12-01 15:21 <diva_> let's port the best fix to 0.8.2-pf
2015-12-01 15:21 <diva_> and take it from there
2015-12-01 15:21 <Melanie_T> what is the pain in it?
2015-12-01 15:21 <Melanie_T> does that have to do with mono addins/
2015-12-01 15:21 <Melanie_T> ?
2015-12-01 15:21 <diva_> I have 10 models on which I have to do git checkout manually
2015-12-01 15:21 <diva_> 12
2015-12-01 15:21 <diva_> it's a pita
2015-12-01 15:22 <Melanie_T> you should use sub repos
2015-12-01 15:22 <Melanie_T> it makes it automagical
2015-12-01 15:22 <diva_> so I'm staying with 0.8.2. whatever comes to it I'll take it. Whatever goes to any other 0.8.2.* I will not pay attention
2015-12-01 15:24 <Melanie_T> you really should look into advanced git topics
2015-12-01 15:25 <Melanie_T> there are ways to easily do what you are laboriously doing by hand now
2015-12-01 15:25 <Melanie_T> because that's how the linux kernel is kept together
2015-12-01 15:25 <Melanie_T> and they change branches like crazy
2015-12-01 15:27 <diva_> Melanie I have 5 servers with an average of 3 models in each. Each follows opensim git. I have a lot of things automated (e.g. pull) but not checkout between branches. I see that action is highly risky in general, requiring a special deployment process that includes a fair amount of testing
2015-12-01 15:28 <diva_> so it's not just the checkout action; it's the fact that I see switching branches as a high-risk action
2015-12-01 15:30 <Melanie_T> what do you call "models" here?
2015-12-01 15:30 <diva_> groups of regions
2015-12-01 15:30 <diva_> that share an asset server
2015-12-01 15:31 <diva_> basically I have ~15 opensim git repos
2015-12-01 15:31 <Melanie_T> well, that sounds extremely inefficient to me
2015-12-01 15:31 <Melanie_T> but, your choice
2015-12-01 15:31 <Melanie_T> avination has a single git repo. binaries are built and distributed from there. that process is automated.
2015-12-01 15:32 <Melanie_T> avination also has only one single copy of the binaries per physical server
2015-12-01 15:32 <diva_> yes, it's what works, I"m not asking for your approval :) This is what works for Encitra, for a number of reasons, including contractual
2015-12-01 15:32 <Melanie_T> applying that to your setup, that would make it one git repo and 5 copies of the binaries
2015-12-01 15:33 <diva_> thanks for the advice, but we're fine as it is. So switching branches is high risk, and I only do it about twice a year, which is our rate of major releases
2015-12-01 15:34 <diva_> "our" = opensim
2015-12-01 15:36 <Melanie_T> well, i rolled that branch into 0.8.2 and ubit is aware
2015-12-01 15:36 <diva_> thanks! let me pull and see what's going on
2015-12-01 15:37 <Melanie_T> just a protocol version change for now
2015-12-01 15:37 <Melanie_T> ubit is looking onto foxing it up
2015-12-01 15:37 <Melanie_T> fixing*
2015-12-01 15:37 <diva_> isn't it as simple as merging the code you added to 0.8.2.1?
2015-12-01 15:38 <diva_> now that you undid his fix of 2 days ago
2015-12-01 15:38 <Melanie_T> no, the fix that will make this 0.8.2.1 ist not yet done
2015-12-01 15:38 <diva_> oh ok
2015-12-01 15:38 <Melanie_T> so we'll let you know when 0.8.2.1 can be rolled
2015-12-01 15:38 <diva_> I'll wait then
2015-12-01 15:38 <diva_> thanks
2015-12-01 15:39 <Melanie_T> basically, ubit's "fix" was to fake being an older version so the sending side would cut the wearables down to 15
2015-12-01 15:39 <Melanie_T> that's not a fix, 0.8.2 branch should habdle 16 wearables, same as current viewers do
2015-12-01 15:40 <Melanie_T> so the real fix that will be 0.8.2.1 is to actually do that
2015-12-01 15:40 <diva_> ok great. As long as everything stays in the 0.8.2-pf branch. As soon as I see the fix hitting there, I'll make a new release package 0.8.2.1
2015-12-01 15:41 <Melanie_T> please wait for us to tell you
2015-12-01 15:41 <diva_> will do
2015-12-01 15:41 <Melanie_T> when the fix hits it's untested
2015-12-01 15:41 <Melanie_T> so we'll have to let you know when we call the fix good
2015-12-01 15:41 <diva_> ok
2015-12-01 15:41 <Melanie_T> or have to refix it
2015-12-01 15:41 <diva_> not in a hurry
2015-12-01 15:42 <Melanie_T> what i did to 0.9 today will mitigate the problem as soon as the current 0.9 users update
2015-12-01 15:42 <Melanie_T> and it's not that many who use it yet
2015-12-01 15:42 <Melanie_T> and ubit's shot from the hip protects oscc
2015-12-01 15:42 <diva_> did nebadon update oscc with ubit's fix?
2015-12-01 15:42 <Melanie_T> i already spoke to nebadon so he's aware that he should not follow 0.8.2-pf any longer but stay at hat he has for oscc
2015-12-01 15:43 <Melanie_T> yes he did
2015-12-01 15:43 <diva_> ok, great
2015-12-01 15:43 <Melanie_T> and we told him to hold at that point
2015-12-01 15:43 <Melanie_T> ok, going afk for a bit
2015-12-01 15:43 <diva_> kk
2015-12-01 15:47 <osmantis> Bug #7774:04 Complex avatar with mesh parts fails to complete HG teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7774 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-01 19:14 <nebadon> Anyone who is interested in about 20 minuites around 2:30PM EST we are going to do a quick impromptu load test at OSCC you can HG to > http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 "OSCC Keynote 1"
2015-12-01 19:14 <nebadon> in the map search
2015-12-01 19:51 <Plugh> Dang it! Firestorm keeps crashing.
2015-12-01 19:55 <Ubit> large regions ?
2015-12-01 19:56 <Ubit> and lbsa keeps hating me
2015-12-01 19:56 <Ubit> ( think its moat not lbsa )
2015-12-01 19:59 <Plugh> OSCC Keynote 1
2015-12-01 20:02 <Plugh> I had two copies of FS on the same workspace on my machine. Alt-TABed between them and bye bye FS.
2015-12-01 20:02 <Ubit> i arrived there ok
2015-12-01 20:02 <Ubit> errrr with singu
2015-12-01 20:03 <Plugh> yes, I arrived there with no problem.
2015-12-01 20:03 <Ubit> ( hmm diva's hair seems to had crossed a strong wind )
2015-12-01 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #7775:04 "Rubber band" effect happens every minute or so when driving physical vehciles in Bulletsim or ubOde. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7775 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-12-01 21:29 <osmantis> Bug #7775:04 "Rubber band" effect happens every minute or so when driving physical vehciles in Bulletsim or ubOde. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7775 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-12-01 21:46 <osmantis> Bug #7775:04 "Rubber band" effect happens every minute or so when driving physical vehciles in Bulletsim or ubOde. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7775 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-12-02 02:18 <osmantis> Bug #7774:04 Complex avatar with mesh parts fails to complete HG teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7774 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-02 03:24 <osmantis> Bug #7775:04 "Rubber band" effect happens every 60 seconds when driving physical vehciles in Bulletsim or ubOde on rough terrain. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7775 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-12-02 03:41 <osmantis> Bug #7775:04 "Rubber band" effect happens every 60 seconds when driving physical vehciles in Bulletsim or ubOde on rough terrain. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7775 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-02 04:25 <Ubit> oops
2015-12-02 04:27 <Ubit> hmm jenkins took the day off ?
2015-12-02 04:29 <nebadon> 
ACTION kicks jenkins in the shin

2015-12-02 04:29 <Ubit> :)
2015-12-02 04:29 <nebadon> its going
2015-12-02 04:29 <nebadon> wierd its not talking though
2015-12-02 04:29 <nebadon> it should have given us notice
2015-12-02 04:30 <nebadon> possible with the freenode ddos
2015-12-02 04:30 <nebadon> they are disabling bot access for a bit
2015-12-02 04:30 <nebadon> jenkins was hung though
2015-12-02 04:30 <nebadon> I think anyway
2015-12-02 04:30 <nebadon> maybe it wasnt and i jumped the gun
2015-12-02 04:47 <nebadon> interestingly
2015-12-02 04:47 <nebadon> Recording NUnit tests results
2015-12-02 04:47 <nebadon> IRC notifier plugin: Sending notification to: #opensim
2015-12-02 04:47 <nebadon> IRC notifier plugin: Sending notification to: #opensim-dev
2015-12-02 04:47 <nebadon> Finished: SUCCESS
2015-12-02 04:47 <nebadon> http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/lastSuccessfulBuild/
2015-12-02 04:47 <nebadon> :)
2015-12-02 04:47 <Ubit>  IRC notifier  disconnected?
2015-12-02 04:48 <nebadon> where you see that?
2015-12-02 04:48 <Ubit> no messages here
2015-12-02 04:48 <nebadon> ya im assuming freenode is blocking bots
2015-12-02 04:48 <Ubit> and shouldn't he be here ?
2015-12-02 04:48 <nebadon> they have been under heavy attack
2015-12-02 04:48 <nebadon> let me find out
2015-12-02 04:48 <Ubit> ok
2015-12-02 04:48 <Ubit> cia is ok
2015-12-02 04:49 <Ubit> or it is on a splited irc server
2015-12-02 04:49 <nebadon> ah i bet that is it
2015-12-02 04:51 <nebadon> jenkins has been missing for days hasnt it?
2015-12-02 04:51 <nebadon> i never noticed
2015-12-02 04:51 <nebadon> as far as my scroll goes back its missing
2015-12-02 04:51 <Ubit> only payed attention now
2015-12-02 04:51 <Ubit> since i did push a typo
2015-12-02 04:52 <Ubit> ( compile breaking typo )
2015-12-02 04:52 <Ubit> this login enable/disable..
2015-12-02 04:53 <Ubit> has 2 levels
2015-12-02 04:53 <Ubit> or should
2015-12-02 04:53 <Ubit> the region not ready should be a hard one like now
2015-12-02 04:53 <nebadon> Connecting to chat.us.freenode.net:6667 as osjenkins using charset UTF-8
2015-12-02 04:53 <nebadon> Nov 30, 2015 3:56:52 AM INFO hudson.plugins.ircbot.v2.IRCConnection connect
2015-12-02 04:53 <nebadon> connected to IRC
2015-12-02 04:53 <nebadon> Nov 30, 2015 3:56:57 AM INFO hudson.plugins.ircbot.v2.IRCConnection getGroupChat
2015-12-02 04:53 <nebadon> Trying to join channel #opensim
2015-12-02 04:53 <nebadon> Nov 30, 2015 3:56:57 AM INFO hudson.plugins.ircbot.v2.IRCConnection getGroupChat
2015-12-02 04:53 <nebadon> Trying to join channel #opensim-dev
2015-12-02 04:53 <nebadon> Nov 30, 2015 5:58:52 PM INFO hudson.model.AsyncPeriodicWork$1 run
2015-12-02 04:53 <nebadon> from jenkins log
2015-12-02 04:54 <nebadon> i dont see anything else irc related
2015-12-02 04:56 <Ubit> does it say joined when sucess normaly ?
2015-12-02 04:56 <nebadon> dont know
2015-12-02 04:56 <Ubit> enkins is ~PircBotx@204.51.93.133 * PircBotX 1.8, a fork of PircBot, the Java IRC bot 
2015-12-02 04:56 <Ubit> jenkins using verne.freenode.net NL
2015-12-02 04:56 <Ubit> jenkins has been idle 54hrs 7mins 47secs, signed on Sun Nov 29 22:48:42
2015-12-02 04:56 <Ubit> jenkins End of /WHOIS list.
2015-12-02 04:56 <Ubit> thats him ?
2015-12-02 04:57 <nebadon> no
2015-12-02 04:57 <nebadon> not the right ip address
2015-12-02 04:57 <Ubit> it has a registered nick ?
2015-12-02 04:57 <nebadon> I restarted jenkins
2015-12-02 04:58 <Ubit> this one still here
2015-12-02 04:58 <Ubit> ..  /whois jenkins
2015-12-02 04:59 <nebadon> its osjenkins
2015-12-02 04:59 <nebadon> i think
2015-12-02 04:59 <Ubit> oops
2015-12-02 04:59 <nebadon> well i suspect it will magically start working again
2015-12-02 04:59 <nebadon> freenode has been under heavy attack
2015-12-02 04:59 <nebadon> https://twitter.com/freenodestaff
2015-12-02 05:00 <nebadon> since the 27th
2015-12-02 05:00 <nebadon> it looks like we lost connectivity on the 28th
2015-12-02 05:01 <Ubit> yeap its osjenkins   
2015-12-02 05:02 <Ubit> osjenkins No such nick/channel
2015-12-02 05:02 <nebadon> well this is different
2015-12-02 05:02 <Ubit> sniff sniff
2015-12-02 05:02 <nebadon> IRC notifier plugin: Sending notification to: #opensim
2015-12-02 05:02 <nebadon> IRC notifier plugin: [ERROR] not connected. Cannot send message to '#opensim'
2015-12-02 05:02 <nebadon> IRC notifier plugin: Sending notification to: #opensim-dev
2015-12-02 05:02 <nebadon> IRC notifier plugin: [ERROR] not connected. Cannot send message to '#opensim-dev'
2015-12-02 05:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #4497 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-02 05:04 <nebadon> :)
2015-12-02 05:04 <Ubit> JenkInnnssssss
2015-12-02 05:04 <nebadon> i changed to different url
2015-12-02 05:04 <nebadon> it was set to chat.us.freenode.net
2015-12-02 05:04 <nebadon> no wonder it stopped working
2015-12-02 05:04 <Ubit> now i can tell again how much i hate you Jenkis :)
2015-12-02 05:04 <nebadon> thats the first one they kill in DDoS
2015-12-02 05:06 <Ubit> they kill ircds when under attach? nice
2015-12-02 05:06 <nebadon> certain subdomains
2015-12-02 05:06 <nebadon> they will point dns to 127.0.0.1
2015-12-02 05:07 <nebadon> to make the bots attack themselves
2015-12-02 05:07 <Ubit> well better than a brasilian network
2015-12-02 05:07 <nebadon> the load balance urls
2015-12-02 05:07 <nebadon> like chat.freenode.net and irc.freenode.net
2015-12-02 05:07 <nebadon> those get clobbered
2015-12-02 05:07 <nebadon> but usually the other names, like tepper.freenode.net
2015-12-02 05:07 <Ubit> when under attach they changed all DNS to point to MY network
2015-12-02 05:07 <nebadon> will contuinue to work
2015-12-02 05:07 <nebadon> lol
2015-12-02 05:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4497: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4497/
2015-12-02 05:09 <nebadon> i would have laughed if it failed
2015-12-02 05:09 <Ubit> :)
2015-12-02 05:09 <Ubit> well a comit whould not compile
2015-12-02 07:24 <Joshhua5> Hello all
2015-12-02 07:24 <Joshhua5> Is there a reason that a modules RegionLoaded function isn't called after loading in a oar?
2015-12-02 07:29 <Joshhua5> Don't worry, I've stumbled upon a onOarScriptLoaded event in the manager.
2015-12-02 12:44 <osmantis> Bug #7774:04 Complex avatar with mesh parts fails to complete HG teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7774 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-02 13:52 <osmantis> Bug #7764:04 ENTITY TRANSFER child agent handling incorrect? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7764 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-02 14:10 <osmantis> Bug #7764:04 ENTITY TRANSFER child agent handling incorrect? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7764 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-02 17:07 <osmantis> Bug #7770:04 crash when visiting one of two regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7770 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-02 17:10 <osmantis> Bug #7770:04 crash when visiting one of two regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7770 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-12-02 22:49 <Abitar> I have a question , which version of the OS code has the avataion code added to? And close to stable it may be?
2015-12-02 22:50 <Ubit> 0.9
2015-12-02 22:51 <Abitar> with .9 where the source can be downloaded from? 
2015-12-02 22:52 <Ubit> ok opensim git
2015-12-02 22:53 <Abitar> Well it not on the main opensim git. only 8.3 is 
2015-12-02 22:53 <Ubit> master is 0.9
2015-12-02 22:55 <Abitar> strange Ill clear out the git and pull it again,  mine compiled to 8.3 when I pulled it last night. 
2015-12-03 00:07 <Plugh> Abitar: Check the output of 'git status' to see if you have a branch checked out other than master.
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2015-12-03 01:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #4498 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-03 01:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4498: SUCCESS in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4498/
2015-12-03 01:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a 1m diference in regions view range estimations
2015-12-03 02:43 <Plugh> I'm looking at the database structure for the xmlrpc based version of groups. How does the viewer know which role tag to wear from a given group? I can see how it knows which group a tag will be from but now how it decides which role tag it will display.
2015-12-03 04:55 <Joshhua5> Hello
2015-12-03 04:57 <Joshhua5> I'm trying to do a raytrace, but when I use .RaycastWorld on my Scene class, it'll execute the virtual function which just returns null.
2015-12-03 04:57 <Joshhua5> I'm using the scene I get from RegionLoaded
2015-12-03 05:57 <Joshhua5> Does BulletSim not support raytracing?
2015-12-03 09:39 <osmantis> Bug #7764:04 ENTITY TRANSFER child agent handling incorrect? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7764 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-03 09:46 <osmantis> Bug #7764:04 ENTITY TRANSFER child agent handling incorrect? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7764 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-03 09:48 <osmantis> Bug #7764:04 ENTITY TRANSFER child agent handling incorrect? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7764 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-03 09:53 <AiAustin> Hi .. Ai here :-)
2015-12-03 09:54 <Ubit> hi :)
2015-12-03 09:54 <AiAustin> Are you online Ubit?
2015-12-03 09:54 <Ubit> im at openvue
2015-12-03 09:54 <AiAustin> there you are.  I only use IRC occasionally.. but I agree its better than chattign via mantis when we are onlien in sync
2015-12-03 09:54 <AiAustin> I am on Far North on openvue grid
2015-12-03 09:55 <Ubit> yeap see you
2015-12-03 09:55 <AiAustin> about to do same test I reported yesterday with your changed version with 1m difference
2015-12-03 09:55 <AiAustin> off to Sandbox now and will watch consoles for one minute
2015-12-03 16:26 <diva> Hey Ubit. Have you and Melanie fix 0.8.2-pf?
2015-12-03 16:27 <Ubit> i pushed a fix the the "crashs"
2015-12-03 16:28 <Ubit> then a try to make it suport physics wearable
2015-12-03 16:28 <Ubit> not sure melanie had time to verify 
2015-12-03 16:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #4499 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-03 16:36 <Plugh> Does anyone happen to know how the viewer knows which group role tag to display for a given avatar?
2015-12-03 16:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4499: SUCCESS in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4499/
2015-12-03 16:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change handling of optional skirt baked texture
2015-12-03 17:32 <osmantis> Bug #7764:04 ENTITY TRANSFER child agent handling incorrect? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7764 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-03 17:35 <osmantis> Bug #7764:04 ENTITY TRANSFER child agent handling incorrect? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7764 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-12-03 19:00 <Melanie_T> Plugh: It does that by the "active role" which is sent to it
2015-12-03 19:01 <Melanie_T> there is a NVP field in one of the UDP packets that allow to actually display the tag text
2015-12-03 19:01 <Melanie_T> i'd have to look it up to be sure about the mechanism
2015-12-03 19:01 <Plugh> I'm trying to determine where the active role information is saved in the xmlrpc based groups database.
2015-12-03 19:01 <Plugh> I see everything but the selection of the active role.
2015-12-03 19:03 <Melanie_T> i dn't know about xmlrpc groups
2015-12-03 19:03 <Melanie_T> avination had a private groups module of it's own for ages
2015-12-03 19:04 <Melanie_T> but i'm considering merging the advancements out of it into diva's core groups
2015-12-03 19:04 <Melanie_T> and make avination use the new and improved core groups
2015-12-03 19:04 <Melanie_T> less divergent code to maintain
2015-12-03 19:04 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-12-03 19:05 <Ubit> 2 groups code plus osgrid one
2015-12-03 19:05 <Plugh> ?
2015-12-03 19:05 <Ubit> its what we have now
2015-12-03 19:06 <Plugh> xmlrpc groups, core groups, and what is the third? avination groups?
2015-12-03 19:06 <Ubit> thats 4th lol
2015-12-03 19:06 <Plugh> ok. What's the third?
2015-12-03 19:06 <Ubit> osgrid one
2015-12-03 19:06 <Plugh> They have their own custom(?) groups module?
2015-12-03 19:07 <Ubit> yeap
2015-12-03 19:07 <Plugh> oh.
2015-12-03 19:07 <Ubit> hmm
2015-12-03 19:08 <Ubit> forget
2015-12-03 19:08 <Ubit> its addons not addon-modules
2015-12-03 19:09 <Ubit> osg has profile and search modules not groups sorry
2015-12-03 19:09 <Plugh> I should check out the db structure for core groups and compare it to the xmlrpc based one.
2015-12-03 19:09 <Plugh> Right. I know they are using the addon modules for search and profile.
2015-12-03 19:17 <Plugh> bbl
2015-12-03 19:33 <nebadon> no we dont
2015-12-03 19:33 <nebadon> OSgrid uses flotsam groups
2015-12-03 19:33 <nebadon> which was the original
2015-12-03 19:33 <Ubit> yeap my mistake :)
2015-12-03 19:34 <nebadon> oh i see you said that later heh
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2015-12-04 05:36 <osmantis> Bug #7776:04 FATAL ERROR: OpenSim.OpenSimBase [MODULES]: Required module  PrimLimitsModule not found. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7776 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-12-04 05:50 <Joshhua5> Is someone here to help right now?
2015-12-04 05:54 <Joshhua5> I'm trying to get a primatives mesh data, I believe it's suppose to be stored in SculptData, but every primitive in the scene has null or 0 for any field that seems related to Sculpt
2015-12-04 08:15 <osmantis> Bug #7776:04 FATAL ERROR: OpenSim.OpenSimBase [MODULES]: Required module  PrimLimitsModule not found. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7776 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-04 12:42 <osmantis> Bug #7776:04 FATAL ERROR: OpenSim.OpenSimBase [MODULES]: Required module  PrimLimitsModule not found. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7776 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-04 16:45 <Plugh> In 080PF when you TP from a var to a regular region the viewer appears to lock and often crashes. Someone had a change to the ini file that helps with this issue. Who remembers what was the change? I think it was some delay value set somewhere in the ini files.
2015-12-04 16:51 <Ken_S> Plugh, this issue has been around for a long time. http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7752
2015-12-04 16:52 <Ken_S> But I do recall a setting that helps keep it from timining out during the freeze time
2015-12-04 16:52 <Ken_S> I just don't recall what it was.
2015-12-04 16:52 <Plugh> I know. I'm trying to remember.
2015-12-04 16:53 <Plugh> I'll check the mantis. IIRC, I am monitoring the bug report that mentions the ini change.
2015-12-04 16:53 <Plugh> I hope that will help me find it.
2015-12-04 16:54 <Ken_S> I dont recall if the change was in the opensim.ini or in the viewer
2015-12-04 16:56 <Ken_S> [ClientStack.LindenUDP] section in OpenSimDefaults.ini have AckTimeout = 60
2015-12-04 16:56 <Ken_S> I add in my OpenSim.ini 
2015-12-04 16:56 <Ken_S> AckTimeout = 180
2015-12-04 16:57 <Ken_S> That's the change I did Plugh.
2015-12-04 17:13 <Plugh> Found it. 
2015-12-04 17:14 <Plugh> hehe... yea, that was it. Found the mantis. #7389. I was talking with someone having an apparent lockup problem when editing prims in a var.
2015-12-04 17:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #4500 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-12-04 17:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add other Eyes asset id to xferupload defaults
2015-12-04 18:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #4501 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-12-04 18:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add default eyes to default wearables, and revert previus bad commit
2015-12-04 18:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #4502 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-04 18:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4502: FAILURE in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4502/
2015-12-04 18:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add opensim BodyParts library
2015-12-04 18:59 <Plugh> Ken_S: Did you try the async_packet_handling setting? If so, did it make any difference? The mantis seems to indicate it doesn't make a difference.
2015-12-04 19:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #4503 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4501 32 min ago)
2015-12-04 19:06 <Ubit> err
2015-12-04 19:08 <Plugh> um... changes to the standard inventory? Interesting. What needed changing there?
2015-12-04 19:10 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-12-04 19:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4503: FIXED in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4503/
2015-12-04 19:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add pants and shirt to opensim library and fix some bodyparts uuids
2015-12-04 19:10 <Ubit> hmmm ??
2015-12-04 19:10 <Plugh> ah, new stuff.
2015-12-04 19:11 <Ubit> don't know why those where missing
2015-12-04 19:11 <Ubit> and don't know what was jenkins problem :)
2015-12-04 19:12 <Plugh> Jenkins has been a bit slow
2015-12-04 19:12 <Ubit> yeap but that fail ??
2015-12-04 19:13 <Plugh> No idea. I didn't look at the details of the failure message.
2015-12-04 19:13 <Ubit> no details thats the thing :)
2015-12-04 19:18 <Ken_S> Plugh, the async_packet_handling setting did not change anything about the length of the TP freeze for me.
2015-12-04 19:18 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-12-04 19:18 <Ubit> you know if  things like AscentBroadcastTag  are actually working ?
2015-12-04 19:18 <Ubit> don't thing they work on crossings or tps
2015-12-04 19:20 <Ubit> what a ugly hack.. grrr
2015-12-04 19:20 <nebadon> that async stuff is probably only noticeable in mono
2015-12-04 19:21 <nebadon> on .net in windows its probably no difference, maybe even worse to change that
2015-12-04 19:21 <nebadon> likely you wont notice any difference really though
2015-12-04 19:22 <Ubit> i did tried to remove that making it sync..  but someone didn't let me ;)
2015-12-04 19:22 <Ubit> it should be sync ...
2015-12-04 19:22 <nebadon> what was the argument against?
2015-12-04 19:23 <nebadon> is there a down side?
2015-12-04 19:23 <Ubit> ( well with a little changes elsewhere
2015-12-04 19:23 <Ubit> yeap yr flooding the kernel udp
2015-12-04 19:24 <nebadon> ah so doesnt scale so nicely
2015-12-04 19:24 <nebadon> udp can be very heavy on cpu
2015-12-04 19:24 <nebadon> it not ideal conditions
2015-12-04 19:24 <Ubit> don't think so
2015-12-04 19:25 <nebadon> in not*
2015-12-04 19:25 <Ubit> but kernel may have the right to drop udp packets also..
2015-12-04 19:25 <Ubit> well dont see why its async.. being udp.. but well
2015-12-04 19:27 <nebadon> would need clear instrumented evidence either way
2015-12-04 19:27 <nebadon> its hard to say
2015-12-04 19:27 <Ubit> yeap
2015-12-04 19:27 <nebadon> there is so much going on its hard to assume there wont be an ill effects
2015-12-04 19:28 <Ubit> async is the the one that can have hidden ill effects actually
2015-12-04 19:29 <Ubit> sending is done byt a thead.. no big sense sending faster than kernel can get it
2015-12-04 19:29 <Ubit> but think there was a mono issue on that in past
2015-12-04 19:30 <nebadon> would not surprise me :)
2015-12-04 19:31 <Ubit> in past i did made it sync, and all packets went via queues  and worked nicely on win at least
2015-12-04 19:32 <Ubit> ( packets via queues so only the sending thread does send to udp )
2015-12-04 19:33 <Ubit> reception.. well..  receiveinf threads only post the data on another queue
2015-12-04 19:35 <Ubit> guess most time they will do that  before a new packet arrival... so well...
2015-12-04 19:37 <Ken_S> Ubit, I would be happy to test that in a side branch if you want to try it. Someone else would have to test under Linux though...
2015-12-04 19:37 <Ubit> uff that AscentBroadcastTag made me waste time  understanding why i was getting odd textures
2015-12-04 19:37 <Ubit> on appearance..  damm hack
2015-12-04 19:38 <Ubit> ken don't think thats related to the rubberbanding on yr region :(
2015-12-04 19:39 <Ubit> been there driving and yeap.. it happens :(
2015-12-04 19:40 <Ken_S> Wasnt really thinking about that issue... thinking more about textures etc.
2015-12-04 19:40 <Ubit> textures are mainly http 
2015-12-04 19:40 <Ubit> no relation to that async thing
2015-12-04 19:41 <Ubit> well viewers also use udp at same time..
2015-12-04 19:42 <Ubit> neb not sure the UUIDs changes i made now match  osgrid inventory
2015-12-04 19:42 <Ubit> on the Library itens
2015-12-04 19:43 <Ken_S> Well, as always happy to test anything new :)
2015-12-04 19:43 <Ubit> i changed them to values in code and created a missing one
2015-12-04 19:44 <Ubit> ( Eyes inventory id i think )
2015-12-04 19:44 <Ubit> hmm also someone recalled that we are missing the default scultp texture map
2015-12-04 19:45 <Ubit> ( present at osgrid )
2015-12-04 19:47 <Ubit> ( uuid is be293869-d0d9-0a69-5989-ad27f1946fd4 )
2015-12-04 19:51 <Ubit> what hell
2015-12-04 19:51 <Ubit> 19:51:26 - [INVENTORY ACCESS MODULE]: Received request to create inventory item
2015-12-04 19:51 <Ubit> (Loading...) in folder f3fcc3be-c528-5c40-5d2a-82e05e20a725, transactionID 00000
2015-12-04 19:51 <Ubit> 000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000
2015-12-04 19:51 <Ubit> FS is crazy
2015-12-04 22:28 <Ken_S> Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed Robert Adams stuck in-world for the last couple of weeks?
2015-12-04 22:32 <Plugh> Just you?  ;)
2015-12-04 22:33 <Plugh> No idea. I rarely log in to osgrid outside of the weekly dev meetings.
2015-12-04 23:39 <nebadon> he is probably just always logged in
2015-12-04 23:39 <nebadon> lol
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2015-12-05 00:40 <Plugh> Why do scripts that do texture set/change always have such high runtimes??
2015-12-05 00:40 <Plugh> Is part of the problem due to having to fetch texture assest?
2015-12-05 00:50 <nebadon> timers can be nasty
2015-12-05 00:50 <nebadon> if they use sleep its even nastier
2015-12-05 01:24 <OtakuMegane> That really needs to be fixed at some point. :/
2015-12-05 01:36 <Plugh> yea.
2015-12-05 01:36 <Plugh> yea, soon as you combine a timer with a texture change your script runtime goes way up.
2015-12-05 01:43 <OtakuMegane> Color changes too I think. A script I brought in from SL only does like 4-5 changes per second. In SL it was several times faster. No specific throttle or issue was found, it was just slow.
2015-12-05 01:45 <Ken_S> Yea if that could be fixed somehow, it might solve most slow script issues.
2015-12-05 01:48 <misterblue> Isn't texture setting throttled? It creates a new asset for every set, I think. Some people thing that's a DOS attack waiting to happen
2015-12-05 01:50 <misterblue> maybe that's dynamic textures... let me look
2015-12-05 01:52 <misterblue> an llSetTexture pauses for 200ms after each set... it tries to stop the execution timer while it is sleeping but that could be broken
2015-12-05 01:53 <misterblue> it does look like Robert is stuck online... 'presence' needs some debugging
2015-12-05 01:54 <OtakuMegane> Ok, that could explain things. Does llSetColor have a similar throttle?
2015-12-05 02:00 <misterblue> no... llSetColor doesn't
2015-12-05 02:02 <OtakuMegane> Maybe just the timer then with that
2015-12-05 02:14 <OtakuMegane> Ok either timers are throttled somewhere or just horribly slow
2015-12-05 02:21 <OtakuMegane> Nevermind, found that one, XD
2015-12-05 02:26 <OtakuMegane> 0.5 seems a rather high minimum
2015-12-05 02:56 <Plugh> I haven't dug in to the script engine to see how settexture is handled.
2015-12-05 02:57 <Plugh> oh, yea. Two set texture calls inside a timer handler doesn't sound like a good idea. 
2015-12-05 03:02 <AllenKerensky> yeah the settexture should trigger a resave of the asset off to the database
2015-12-05 08:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #4504 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2015-12-05 08:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4504: SUCCESS in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4504/
2015-12-05 08:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: send a full update on GroupResize, not a terse
2015-12-05 13:32 <Melanie_T> OtakuMegane: frequent color/teture changes are discouraged. fast timers are discouraged
2015-12-05 13:32 <Melanie_T> and the color/texture changing christmas tree that was released 5 years ago even brought SL sims to their knees
2015-12-05 16:37 <OtakuMegane> Yet I've dropped a hundred flashing lolcubes in a SL sim with only a little lag on the physics side, no other noticeable effects. I dunno what this christmas tree was doing to be that bad but sounds more like poor design than technical issue.
2015-12-05 16:39 <OtakuMegane> I agree fast changes are not often really needed and textures could certainly mess with things but color change should just be setting a property. If doing that 10 times a second or so causes trouble I don't think it's the script that's the real issue.
2015-12-05 16:43 <misterblue> the problem is that a dynamic texture creates a permanent asset instance... so one can create thousands of new assets with no limit
2015-12-05 16:43 <OtakuMegane> Yeah, so I gathered earlier.
2015-12-05 16:43 <misterblue> at least that's the fear... there has been some discussion about creating temp assets but then there are problems with HG, etc
2015-12-05 16:45 <OtakuMegane> It's something that could be used maliciously but it takes less time to figure a workaround than to type this: Lots and lots of scripts and objects.
2015-12-05 16:46 <OtakuMegane> Just like the fears over exposing things like what version a region is running on. All a hacker/griefer has to do is test for vulnerabilities or responses specific to versions and boom, they've figured it out anyway.
2015-12-05 16:50 <OtakuMegane> Faster timers can also be used to actually slow down functions so they don't go wild, like rapid-fire weapons. You have either llSleep which freezes up everything or timers which on default can't run finer than half a second right now. Not much good choice there.
2015-12-05 16:51 <OtakuMegane> Or skip it and I get a pile of 20+ bullets every time I click the mouse. :P
2015-12-05 16:51 <OtakuMegane> Which is amusing in its own way but not really good.
2015-12-05 16:55 <misterblue> somehow have to create an economy around resource use... either tokens/money, 'energy', time... unless there is some back pressure on use, things go unoptimal
2015-12-05 16:59 <OtakuMegane> Depends on your audience to some degree. Most people I hung around with in SL weapons testing were major sticklers for efficiency. Matter of creative pride in not wanting your creations to suck.
2015-12-05 17:00 <OtakuMegane> The average user of course won't really think about this kind of thing, though.
2015-12-05 17:02 <OtakuMegane> The worst part is I understand a lot of these limitations and even the intentional ones I tend to agree with, if not always the exact implementation. It just frustrates me and I go all ranty lol.
2015-12-05 17:04 <OtakuMegane> Sure I can alter the code or settings but then things I make might not work properly anywhere else.
2015-12-05 17:04 <OtakuMegane> So I can work inside the limits and compromise sometimes on what I'm doing or go to my limits and live with the fact it can't really leave the region.
2015-12-05 17:15 <Ubit> seen  a sound sistem putting a region down
2015-12-05 17:15 <Ubit> with just tons and tons of flashing LEDs
2015-12-05 17:18 <OtakuMegane> The whole region or just beating the script engine?
2015-12-05 17:18 <Ubit> bandwith also
2015-12-05 17:18 <Ubit> a color change is a Full object update
2015-12-05 17:19 <Ubit> the thing had tons of LEDs changing at high rate
2015-12-05 17:20 <OtakuMegane> Ah. Ok, see, that shouldn't be a thing. I totally see why it would have been written that way but it shouldn't have to be.
2015-12-05 17:20 <Ubit> yeap bad design
2015-12-05 17:20 <Ubit> but well opensim builders aren't 3d pros :)
2015-12-05 17:21 <Ubit> well in 2007 a friend also got a SL disco  that did the same :)
2015-12-05 17:21 <Ubit> and payed for it :)
2015-12-05 17:21 <OtakuMegane> Reminds me of the tag printers we have a t work. For unknown reasons the handheld scanners instead of tell the printer "print 20 copies of this tag" instead set up a batch of 20 copies and send them all.
2015-12-05 17:22 <Ubit> wel printers and work..   years ago we had a network printer
2015-12-05 17:22 <Ubit> someone printed a book ...
2015-12-05 17:23 <Ubit> sent a copy waited.. nothing.. other copy... nothing.. and did that several times
2015-12-05 17:23 <Ubit> hours later  a worker form another building appeared with a TON of paper with copies of his book
2015-12-05 17:24 <Ubit> he sent it to the wrong printer :p
2015-12-05 17:24 <OtakuMegane> lol
2015-12-05 17:24 <OtakuMegane> Changing the property on an object should ideally send a property update, not the entire object. A few bytes maybe. I'm guessing the current method was either simplest at the time or the viewer doesn't handle things that way so we're stuck.
2015-12-05 17:25 <Ubit> its sl protocol
2015-12-05 17:25 <OtakuMegane> Yeah, thought so. :P
2015-12-05 17:25 <OtakuMegane> Thanks LL.
2015-12-05 17:25 <Ubit> todya i fixed a bug..  prim size is also a full update
2015-12-05 17:25 <Ubit> for some odd reason i had a terse there :)
2015-12-05 17:26 <OtakuMegane> I wonder how much bandwidth and processing time could be saved if we could just send specific things like property updates.
2015-12-05 17:27 <Ubit> yeap
2015-12-05 17:27 <Ubit> well object selection is another nightmare
2015-12-05 17:27 <OtakuMegane> One of those things that makes me wonder if I should focus more on learning C++ and fix viewer stuff instead of C# to eventually work on OS.
2015-12-05 17:28 <Ubit> its per prim and requires full updates per each
2015-12-05 17:28 <OtakuMegane> Yeah, that I've known for a long time. Becomes pretty obvious when trying to select a couple thousand prims at once.
2015-12-05 17:28 <Ubit> yeap
2015-12-05 17:28 <Ubit> easy to loose of break things bc of that
2015-12-05 17:31 <OtakuMegane> Any idea how difficult it would be to get something like a property change worked into protocol? I know it would have to be done on OS and viewer side but not sure how deeply the current object update system might have to be changed.
2015-12-05 17:32 <Ubit> not a easy thing to change protocol..
2015-12-05 17:32 <Ubit> we whould need major viewers to do suport it 
2015-12-05 17:34 <Ubit> well we still don't suport all of it
2015-12-05 17:34 <OtakuMegane> Yeah. And I have a feeling we could wrangle up a dev or two to work out that side of it eventually. But we need a standard to work with first.
2015-12-05 17:36 <OtakuMegane> One of those much easier said than done things. :)
2015-12-05 17:36 <Ubit> :)
2015-12-05 17:38 <OtakuMegane> Something I'll have to keep in mind. Can probably happen eventually.
2015-12-05 17:40 <misterblue> 'capabilities' allow for optional protocol additions... get one of the viewer devs involved and make a viewer patch to accept the new capability while adding the object property updates to OpenSim
2015-12-05 17:41 <misterblue> then hopefully the viewer patch would get applied to  the other viewers
2015-12-05 17:41 <misterblue> at least that's one way to add to the protocol
2015-12-05 17:41 <misterblue> inside OpenSim, property updates are not very fine grained... it's either 'full' or 'terse'
2015-12-05 17:42 <Ubit> yeap
2015-12-05 17:42 <OtakuMegane> From what I've seen once a viewer patch is available most of the viewers will implement it without much badgering. It's getting both the patch made and the OS-side set up that is tricky.
2015-12-05 17:42 <misterblue> some work has been done to make it more fine grained (we did some for Distributed Scene Graph (DSG))
2015-12-05 17:43 <Ubit> updates have several flags already
2015-12-05 17:43 <Ubit> but uses and sending it still as u said  full or terse
2015-12-05 17:48 <OtakuMegane> Getting a system to send property updates/information could be very powerful. Make it easier to create new properties or flags if it can just use an existing update protocol to send the new information.
2015-12-05 17:53 <OtakuMegane> Objects are essentially a big cluster of properties, really...if the contents could be added to or existing properties expanded perhaps, without having to alter protocol every time, only needing to update the viewer with what it should do.
2015-12-05 17:56 <OtakuMegane> Probably a very tall order to get something llike that set up though.
2015-12-05 17:56 <Ubit> :p
2015-12-05 17:57 <OtakuMegane> Hehe
2015-12-05 17:57 <OtakuMegane> I dream big.
2015-12-05 17:57 <Ubit> current properties already give us enought trouble and u ask for more undefined ones :p
2015-12-05 18:00 <OtakuMegane> lol
2015-12-05 18:01 <OtakuMegane> JUst letting my mind run wild.
2015-12-05 18:08 <OtakuMegane> Hmm, so finer-grained than terse update...
2015-12-05 18:10 <misterblue> that's the rough design of the realXtend viewer protocols -- there are just a few messages and one of them is 'change property on object'
2015-12-05 18:15 <OtakuMegane> Interesting. RealXtend I remember being discussed and worked with a while back but not much heard for a good while now.
2015-12-05 18:19 <misterblue> it has been encorporated into a large EU research toolbox.. antont would know more
2015-12-05 18:21 <OtakuMegane> Yeah, looking up stuff now. Was some effort to work it into Opensim before but I guess that died off?
2015-12-05 21:32 <Rodger> what was changed in dev opensim related to addins as i can use my modules
2015-12-05 21:32 <Rodger> WARN  (1) - OpenSim.ApplicationPlugins.RegionModulesController.RegionModulesControllerPlugin [REGIONMODULES]: Found unknown type of module OpenSimEmail.Modules.OpenEmail.OpenEmailModule, class OpenSimEmail.Modules.OpenEmail.OpenEmailModule
2015-12-05 21:32 <Rodger> cant
2015-12-05 21:37 <Rodger> never mind seems visual studio 2013 set build target to dot net 2.0 lol
2015-12-05 21:38 <Ubit> runprebuild etc..
2015-12-05 21:40 <Ubit> hmm and check the module prebuild.xml
2015-12-05 21:40 <Rodger> its a custom module but i changed build target and now the module loads
2015-12-05 21:40 <Ubit> ok
2015-12-05 21:41 <Ubit> you can add a prebuild.xml file to its folder
2015-12-05 21:42 <Ubit> so its project is built and integrated
2015-12-05 21:42 <Ubit> hmm there is a example.. hmm somewhere :)
2015-12-05 22:51 <Rodger> how do i get 0.9.0 source?
2015-12-05 22:51 <Rodger> dtl money does not compile on 0.8.3
2015-12-05 22:52 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Developer_Documentation#Source_Code_Repository_Access
2015-12-05 22:52 <Ubit> err
2015-12-05 22:53 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Source_Code_Repository
2015-12-05 22:53 <Ubit> oops the first one :)
2015-12-05 22:55 <Ubit> but if it doesn't compile on 8.3  guess it also not compile on 0.9
2015-12-05 22:56 <Ubit> but better fixing for 0.9..
2015-12-05 22:56 <Rodger> they have the binary for 9.0
2015-12-05 22:56 <Rodger> but not 8.3
2015-12-05 22:56 <Rodger> lol
2015-12-05 23:05 <Plugh> Rodger: If you can get the source code for the 0.8.2 and 0.9.0 versions of the DTL/NSL modules you could see what changes are in the 0.9 compatible version and make those changes to the 0.8.3 version.
2015-12-05 23:05 <Rodger> can someone please download this and send to me
2015-12-05 23:05 <Rodger> svn co http://www.nsl.tuis.ac.jp/svn/opensim/op​ensim.currency/trunk opensim.currency
2015-12-05 23:05 <Rodger> seems i cant use svn
2015-12-05 23:06 <Rodger> stupid neon and apr
2015-12-05 23:07 <Plugh> Is it still under SVN control? 
2015-12-05 23:07 <nebadon> http://www.nsl.tuis.ac.jp/xoops/modules/d3downloads/index.php?page=singlefile&cid=8&lid=48
2015-12-05 23:08 <Plugh> Rodger, the version of code I have came from a git based repo
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2015-12-06 01:19 <Plugh> The OSCC mentioned the OnLook viewer. I'd like to try it but there isn't a version for Linux. I wonder if I could compile it (if source is available).
2015-12-06 03:01 <diva> Plugh, yes it's here: https://github.com/diva/OnLook
2015-12-06 03:02 <diva> I'll write a blog explaining how to configure the server side
2015-12-06 03:20 <smxy> Melanie_T: ping
2015-12-06 03:21 <Melanie_T> smxy: pong
2015-12-06 03:22 <smxy> Do you know why the CC '15 shopping region is just a copy of last years? Even down to the Community Path that doesn't list *this* years contributors but those from 2014?
2015-12-06 03:23 <Melanie_T> it's nto a copy
2015-12-06 03:23 <Melanie_T> it's the actual last year's region
2015-12-06 03:23 <Melanie_T> this conference was much smaller in scope
2015-12-06 03:23 <Melanie_T> and not as much new stuff was done
2015-12-06 03:24 <smxy> But no one could bother to list this years contributors, as the registration process said would be done? Last year's were simply left u[? That's a tad rude.
2015-12-06 03:24 <smxy> up*
2015-12-06 03:25 <Melanie_T> i don't know the first thing about it
2015-12-06 03:25 <Melanie_T> i wasn't a sponsor this year and i wasn't doing any hands on organizing
2015-12-06 03:25 <Melanie_T> i was merely a panelist 
2015-12-06 03:25 <smxy> Well who was? I have half a mind to ask for my money back if they can't even be bothered to acknowledge it as it was stated would be done/
2015-12-06 03:26 <Melanie_T> i gave some input in the early stages, mainly to put the idea of panels on the tb=able
2015-12-06 03:26 <Melanie_T> before, it was thought to do just a chain of one-person presentations
2015-12-06 03:26 <Melanie_T> after i seeded that idea, i had to drop out for time constraints
2015-12-06 03:26 <Melanie_T> i don't know who you paid to and what you were supposed to get
2015-12-06 03:26 <Melanie_T> i didn't even see the site
2015-12-06 03:27 <Melanie_T> as a panelist, i got in free
2015-12-06 03:27 <Melanie_T> so i'm not the person to ask anything about oscc orga
2015-12-06 03:27 <Melanie_T> and especially not money
2015-12-06 03:29 <smxy> I registered via Eventbrite, as usual. Got emails from it and Avacon. I think it's really shitty to not acknowledge the donations for this year and just leave last year's up. They shouldn't expect to get a single cent from me in the future.
2015-12-06 03:30 <Melanie_T> get in touch with them, then. they may not even have remembered that there _is_ a shopping region or that there is some sort of a list
2015-12-06 03:30 <misterblue> it's maybe a bit off... but still they did a great job organizing it and making it happen
2015-12-06 03:30 <Melanie_T> i certainly didn't remember it until i saw it on the map
2015-12-06 03:30 <misterblue> wouldn't have happened at all otherwise
2015-12-06 03:30 <Melanie_T> then i was like "whoa, why is that still there"
2015-12-06 03:30 <smxy> It was mentioned in the registration process.
2015-12-06 03:31 <smxy> And if they can't be bothered to do what they said they would, I want my money back.
2015-12-06 03:31 <smxy> I couldn't attend the conference, so I contributed instead. So, basically, I got zip.
2015-12-06 03:37 <smxy> Well, I'll figure it out.
2015-12-06 03:38 <smxy> Thanks
2015-12-06 03:47 <nebadon> request a refund then smxy, don't know what to tell you our time was limited and staff was limited this year
2015-12-06 06:13 <Ken_S> If there have been no AVs on a sim in the last 30 minutes,
2015-12-06 06:13 <Ken_S> and the sim has say 15,000 prims on it with
2015-12-06 06:13 <Ken_S> an average number of scripts, how mcu volume
2015-12-06 06:14 <Ken_S> of network traffic should be going on with that sim when
2015-12-06 06:14 <Ken_S> it is at rest like that?
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2015-12-06 12:17 <AiAustin> Ubit... are you on IRC?  I was wondering what the changes to the librray body parts and basic clothign items would do... as there have been issues with the iniotial basic avatar items in OSGrid for some time.. and I wonder if this might be related?
2015-12-06 12:18 <Ubit> osg doesn't use that
2015-12-06 12:19 <Ubit> the changes are for grids or standalones that use that information to have the inventory itens that some code parts  refer to
2015-12-06 12:20 <Ubit> like appearance default wearables
2015-12-06 12:27 <AiAustin> thx...just wondered.  I have mentioned to Dan banner before that the OSGrid initial new avatar appearance leaves the avatar as a cloud and the 6 items the avatar uses all have the same faulty "type" icon of "shape"
2015-12-06 12:28 <Ubit> thats bad asset flag i guess
2015-12-06 12:29 <Ubit> well not sure if that default  wearables are ever used.. but it was a inconsistence
2015-12-06 12:29 <Ubit> yeap eyes where missing
2015-12-06 12:29 <Ubit> and eyes where missing
2015-12-06 12:29 <AiAustin> good fix then to improve compatibility.
2015-12-06 12:31 <AiAustin> I just updated my OSGrid addon regions to the very latest git master and thought I wold retest the new avatar creation by in case that might fix the OSGrid issue.  
2015-12-06 12:31 <AiAustin> So good to know its not related to the changes you were making in last few days.
2015-12-06 12:31 <Ubit> this changes only show up after clear viewer cache
2015-12-06 12:31 <AiAustin> okay
2015-12-06 12:31 <Ubit> ( or inventory cache if it has that option )
2015-12-06 12:32 <Ubit> osg does not used core asset server code
2015-12-06 12:32 <AiAustin> Ah yes.  thx for reminding me
2015-12-06 12:32 <Ubit> so its missing some of those default assets like the collision sounds
2015-12-06 12:32 <AiAustin> must go... thx
2015-12-06 12:32 <Ubit> cya
2015-12-06 12:33 <AiAustin> let Dan Banner know maybe if you are aware what he ought to add?
2015-12-06 16:38 <Plugh> diva: ok, ty. When I search for the OnLook viewer I keep running across http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/opensim/onlook-viewer/ where it talks about an installer for Windows and Mac but not for Linux.
2015-12-06 16:38 <diva> correct, I don't build it for Linux
2015-12-06 16:39 <diva> if you build one, let me know, and I'll add it
2015-12-06 16:43 <Plugh> ok. Will do.
2015-12-06 16:44 <Plugh> Compiling C++ shows another reason why I don't like C++. It always seems like it takes so much longer, and puts a higher load on the CPU to compile code.
2015-12-06 16:46 <Plugh> diva, the README says "Specifically, OnLook allows the server-side to reify several aspects of the viewer's GUI and user controls."
2015-12-06 16:46 <Plugh> I don't understand the word "reify".
2015-12-06 16:49 <diva> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reification_(computer_science)
2015-12-06 16:49 <Plugh> OnLook compile has started. I'll see how far it gets.
2015-12-06 16:51 <Plugh> diva, um... ok. :)  Never seen that word before. Perhaps you need to be a student of computer science to know it. 
2015-12-06 16:51 <diva> yea :)
2015-12-06 16:52 <diva> sorry.
2015-12-06 16:52 <diva> i like that word
2015-12-06 16:52 <Plugh> It is interesting. I'll probably forget it again. :)
2015-12-06 16:52 <Plugh> bah. Compile failed at 19%.
2015-12-06 16:53 <Plugh> Probably dependency issue. 
2015-12-06 16:54 <Plugh> hm... doesn't seem to like z_crc_t in ZEXTERN const z_crc_t FAR * ZEXPORT get_crc_table    OF((void));
2015-12-06 16:54 <Plugh> ah, perhaps I'm missing zlib-dev package.
2015-12-06 16:56 <Plugh> diva: Are the OnLook builds for 32-bit or 64-bit? I'm trying a 64-bit compile.
2015-12-06 16:56 <diva> I've built them for 32-bit I think
2015-12-06 16:58 <Plugh> ok. I'll start over with 32-bit first.
2015-12-06 17:11 <Plugh> ah ha! Just read todays email about the oscc. It told me where to find the Poster Session Expo. I lost track of it.
2015-12-06 17:20 <Plugh> I'm back on track with a 64-bit compile. I had to delete the zlib.h file that was in the OnLook source tree. I renamed the file so it would use my system installed package header.
2015-12-06 17:21 <Plugh> Compile is at 47% and still going.
2015-12-06 17:22 <diva> I'm writing the blog post I promised regarding the server-side configuration for OnLook
2015-12-06 17:22 <Plugh> ok.
2015-12-06 17:23 <nebadon> nice
2015-12-06 17:23 <Plugh> For now, I just wanted to have an initial look at the viewer "out of the box".
2015-12-06 17:24 <Plugh> I may be able to build the 32-bit version of OnLook but from what I read online I'll need to install a couple of 32-bit related packages.
2015-12-06 17:25 <Plugh> Trying to build OnLook for 32-bit generates an error saying that "sys/cdefs.h" can't be found.
2015-12-06 17:26 <Plugh> Research says that to compile a program for 32-bit on a 64-bit machine requires installation of libx32gcc-4.8-dev and libc6-dev-i386.
2015-12-06 17:30 <Plugh> sheesh... I'm using 'make -j4' on an 8-core CPU and compiling viewer code has pushed my CPU temp to 71C and it is only 71% done.
2015-12-06 17:31 <diva> when I compile it here, it takes over my 12-core desktop for about 20 minutes, @ 100% CPU in all cores. It's a sight to be seen!
2015-12-06 17:32 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods.

2015-12-06 17:32 <Plugh> If I run with -j8 it will take over all my 8 cores @ 100% too.
2015-12-06 17:33 <Plugh> Running a viewer doesn't usually push my machines CPU past 60%. C++ compile really makes it work hard. 
2015-12-06 17:34 <Plugh> I'm not sure what the thermal limits are on the CPU. It just bothers me a bit when the temp goes so much above what is typical under general operating conditions.
2015-12-06 17:35 <Plugh> 82% done. I think there is a fairly good chance the compile will complete.
2015-12-06 17:43 <OtakuMegane> Most modern CPUs have thermal limits in the 85-95 range. Some are 100+. They all should throttle themselves if they get too hot, or worst case shut off.
2015-12-06 17:44 <OtakuMegane> For something with heavy computation like compiling, 71C is perfectly normal.
2015-12-06 17:45 <diva> afk, Plugh. I'll read late how it went
2015-12-06 17:45 <Plugh> diva, compile finished.
2015-12-06 17:45 <OtakuMegane> Yay
2015-12-06 17:45 <Plugh> :)
2015-12-06 17:45 <Plugh> Just in time. I'll try running it later. I have to go for lunch.
2015-12-06 17:46 <nebadon> plugh if you want to zip it up i could try running it here
2015-12-06 17:50 <Plugh> Sure. I just have to check the build info to see which dir I would need to zip.
2015-12-06 17:52 <Plugh> hm... The build info for Singularity doesn't say. I'll have to check the build dir.
2015-12-06 17:53 <Plugh> oh, right. I think it is the 'newview' dir that has the binaries.
2015-12-06 17:53 <Plugh> I thought lunch was ready earlier. It wasn't. Now it is. So now I'm afk for lunch.
2015-12-06 18:29 <Plugh> You know a viewer originates, at least in part, from SL when it is called "secondlife-bin". :)
2015-12-06 18:40 <Plugh> nebadon: I have tar file of OnLook for 64-bit I can send you.
2015-12-06 18:40 <nebadon> cool
2015-12-06 18:43 <Plugh> I didn't see any make target to package it. I saw an install script and ran it. It created a dir called ~/.onlook-install and put some stuff in a different dir for menus. I renamed and made a tar from the .onlook-install and hope it is complete.
2015-12-06 18:49 <Plugh> nebadon: My upload speed totally sucks. Its going to take a while to upload his 26Meg tar file.
2015-12-06 18:50 <nebadon> no rush
2015-12-06 18:50 <nebadon> my ultimate goal today was to do nothign
2015-12-06 18:50 <nebadon> so far im on track
2015-12-06 18:50 <Plugh> omfg! I just realized the upload time estimate is about an hour and a half. 
2015-12-06 18:50 <Plugh> :P
2015-12-06 18:51 <Plugh> Nice to have that as a goal and stick with it. 
2015-12-06 18:51 <Plugh> I have too much to do. 
2015-12-06 18:51 <nebadon> ya im in OSCC deflate mode
2015-12-06 18:51 <nebadon> lol
2015-12-06 18:52 <Plugh> I have a grid residents meeting today. I want to get Christmas cards done up so I can get them in the mail tomorrow, and I should work on a script to verify that the backup of an assets table really is complete.
2015-12-06 18:53 <nebadon> haha you made me think of this
2015-12-06 18:53 <nebadon> http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.885383-Programmer-Writes-Scripts-To-Automate-His-Job-Email-Wife-And-Make-Lattes
2015-12-06 18:55 <Plugh> ok. I'll look at it later when my net connection isn't being saturated with this upload.
2015-12-06 19:28 <Rodger> nebadon do you have a script that can convert from sras back to db assets?
2015-12-06 19:31 <nebadon> no
2015-12-06 19:31 <nebadon> but i suspect fsassets could read them
2015-12-06 19:31 <nebadon> which is part of core now
2015-12-06 19:32 <nebadon> I however have no experience doing this
2015-12-06 19:32 <nebadon> this is what osgrid did, but Melanie_T did it
2015-12-06 19:42 <diva> Plugh and everyone: http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/opensim/onlook-server-side-configuration/
2015-12-06 19:44 <linkedinyou> diva: testing
2015-12-06 19:45 <diva> cool.
2015-12-06 19:45 <diva> you can download OnLook from here http://www.metaverseink.com/Downloads.html
2015-12-06 19:45 <linkedinyou> fix frist link OnLook viewer.
2015-12-06 19:46 <diva> neb, when you have it send me the Linux buld that Plugh created
2015-12-06 19:46 <linkedinyou> hyperlink missing
2015-12-06 19:46 <diva> what do you mean?
2015-12-06 19:46 <diva> you don't see the picture on top of the blog?
2015-12-06 19:46 <linkedinyou> frist qoute at it is end As promised at OSCC�15, here is a post explaining how to configure OpenSim in order to experiment with the OnLook viewer.
2015-12-06 19:47 <diva> extra trash
2015-12-06 19:47 <linkedinyou> light green OnLook viewer. but whn i click it dose not
2015-12-06 19:47 <diva> there
2015-12-06 19:48 <linkedinyou> working thank you :)
2015-12-06 20:19 <nebadon> ok will do diva
2015-12-06 20:20 <Plugh> nebadon, diva: I'll pass along the Linux version of OnLook later. I had to cancel the upload for now. It was making access to web sites take too long. I needed to get some things done for a meeting I have in about 40 minutes.
2015-12-06 20:21 <diva> ok
2015-12-06 20:24 <nebadon> I should try to get the environment worked out to compile it
2015-12-06 20:24 <nebadon> might not be so easy on Tumbleweed though
2015-12-06 20:24 <nebadon> its kind of bleeding edge
2015-12-06 20:24 <nebadon> maybe need to set up a VM
2015-12-06 20:34 <Plugh> nebadon: It isn't that complicated to build. Since OnLook is based on Singularity I used the instructions used to compile that viewer to compile OnLook.
2015-12-06 20:35 <Plugh> The tricky part can be making sure you have all the needed dependencies
2015-12-06 20:35 <Plugh> http://www.singularityviewer.org/kb/build-linux
2015-12-06 20:36 <Plugh> For the cloning process you would of course use the OnLook git repo URL and put it in to a directory that is named appropriately.
2015-12-06 20:36 <Plugh> cd into that dir then start with the indra/develop.py command and go from there.
2015-12-06 20:37 <Plugh> diva, I'll file an issue later pointing out what I had to do to allow the code to compile under 64-bit Linux.
2015-12-06 20:37 <diva> ok, thanks
2015-12-06 20:38 <Plugh> Nice program Logo, btw.
2015-12-06 20:38 <diva> yes, I like it a lot. I think neb found it. I completely suck at graphic design
2015-12-06 20:49 <Plugh> Rodger, it wouldn't be that difficult to write a script to take an SRAS set up and put all the blobs back in to a assets database that holds the blobs.
2015-12-06 20:50 <Plugh> I'm not sure why you would want to go that way. Switching to FSAssets would be a better option.
2015-12-06 20:53 <Rodger> how do you do that with sras?
2015-12-06 21:18 <Plugh> How many years has he OSCC been run?
2015-12-06 21:18 <Plugh> s/he/the/
2015-12-06 21:18 <nebadon> this is the 3rd consecutive year
2015-12-06 21:21 <Plugh> ok.
2015-12-06 21:21 <Plugh> Are there any known improvements or bug fixes in 0.9 re: Warp3D map tile generation?
2015-12-06 21:22 <nebadon> none I am aware of
2015-12-06 21:23 <Plugh> ok
2015-12-06 21:23 <Plugh> It will still leak memory.
2015-12-06 21:24 <nebadon> if its on timer yes
2015-12-06 21:24 <misterblue> Warp3D need to be retired and replaced by something better... but the replacement doesn't exist yet
2015-12-06 21:24 <Plugh> Until there is a replacement it would be nice to get the memory leak fixed.
2015-12-06 21:25 <nebadon> ya im not 100% sure but i think warp3d goes back to the amiga lol
2015-12-06 21:25 <Plugh> yea, I think it does. 
2015-12-06 21:25 <Plugh> I don't know what tools may exist to help identify memory leaks in C# based code.
2015-12-06 21:26 <nebadon> im sure what we use is no longer even close to amiga stuff its still kind of funny
2015-12-06 21:31 <Plugh> AFAICR, the original wasn't written in C# so that is one big change there.
2015-12-06 22:00 <nebadon> well OnLook appears to be building so far
2015-12-06 22:00 <nebadon> doing 32 bit first
2015-12-06 22:01 <nebadon> hah failed with a useless message
2015-12-06 22:06 <nebadon> 64 bit is going better so far
2015-12-06 22:06 <nebadon> i think its probably easier to setup a 32bit vm than to get 32 bit environment in 64 bit tumbleweed heh
2015-12-06 22:07 <nebadon> blah this fails too at 12%
2015-12-06 22:25 <nebadon> https://gist.github.com/nebadon2025/c98b272c0c8df466889d
2015-12-06 22:27 <nebadon> probably gcc5
2015-12-06 22:31 <Plugh> btw, how long will it be before the conference videos will be available?
2015-12-06 22:32 <nebadon> I am not sure I think someone has to process it manually a bit
2015-12-06 22:32 <nebadon> we will have a meeting about that stuff soon
2015-12-06 22:32 <nebadon> sometime this week
2015-12-06 22:33 <nebadon> I kind of hit a dead end with the viewer I think on tumbleweed
2015-12-06 22:33 <nebadon> google is not of any help
2015-12-06 22:33 <nebadon> someone else has a bug report on singularity bug tracker with same thing
2015-12-06 22:34 <nebadon> but no resolution
2015-12-06 23:03 <MarcusLlewellyn> Re: OSCC recordings; like neb, I think a lot of us are in relax mode today. ;) I have 22gig of recordings that need to be sorted and delivered to the right people. It may be decided that editing is necessary for some of them.
2015-12-06 23:07 <Plugh> I don't expect them to be available the next day. Just curious when they may be available.
2015-12-06 23:07 <Plugh> I missed the last half of the NPC panel due to an RL issue.
2015-12-06 23:31 <diva> ping Ubit and Melanie: is 0.8.2.1 good to go?
2015-12-06 23:35 <nebadon> ok trying to build 64 bit onlook on my fresh new opensuse 13.1 vm
2015-12-06 23:35 <nebadon> it has gcc 4
2015-12-06 23:35 <nebadon> already further along :)
2015-12-06 23:35 <nebadon> 20%
2015-12-06 23:35 <nebadon> was dieing at 12% before
2015-12-06 23:45 <OtakuMegane> You have gotten better at compiling Onlook (20)
2015-12-06 23:46 <nebadon> lol
2015-12-06 23:46 <nebadon> im at 48% now
2015-12-06 23:46 <nebadon> i keep hitting missing dependencies
2015-12-06 23:47 <nebadon> im setting this vm up in a way i could share with anyone who wants it
2015-12-06 23:47 <nebadon> might be quite large though heh
2015-12-06 23:47 <OtakuMegane> Yeah, compiling new things always seems to go that way: Compile, see what dependency it wants, figure out how to get it, try again.
2015-12-06 23:47 <nebadon> its 8.8gb uncompressed at the moment
2015-12-06 23:49 <OtakuMegane> I remember long ago compiling the SL viewer for myself back before TPVs made a lot of limiters optional for Opensim. Not terrible getting it set up in my case but certainly did take up space and time to compile the thing.
2015-12-06 23:51 <nebadon> 63% :)
2015-12-07 00:07 <nebadon> well it gets to 100% then spews error
2015-12-07 00:07 <nebadon> im assuming it failed, not sure where the binary is
2015-12-07 00:09 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/Qqzeje6c
2015-12-07 00:09 <nebadon> kind of stumped
2015-12-07 00:11 <nebadon> hmm maybe libxml
2015-12-07 00:14 <nebadon> hmm ya i am not sure.. so close!
2015-12-07 00:34 <nebadon> hah geez
2015-12-07 00:35 <nebadon> i did a make clean, then did fresh
2015-12-07 00:35 <nebadon> and it worked
2015-12-07 00:35 <diva> cool. where can I get it from?
2015-12-07 00:35 <nebadon> i need to find where the binary is first
2015-12-07 00:35 <nebadon> lol
2015-12-07 00:36 <nebadon> ok i found it
2015-12-07 00:36 <nebadon> do I rename the binary?
2015-12-07 00:36 <nebadon> well let me test it as is
2015-12-07 00:36 <nebadon> i have to move it to another machine
2015-12-07 00:38 <Plugh> spews errors at 100%? If I get that far it is usually fine.
2015-12-07 00:39 <nebadon> nah there was about 100 more lines after the point it was failing
2015-12-07 00:39 <Plugh> nebadon: The binary is under newview/packaged.
2015-12-07 00:39 <Plugh> yea, if you run make using '-j#' that is what happens.
2015-12-07 00:39 <nebadon> after i did the make clean
2015-12-07 00:39 <nebadon> i did > make -j6 and it was fine
2015-12-07 00:42 <nebadon> copying files to proper workstation now
2015-12-07 00:42 <Plugh> ok. This means I don't have to finish uploading my built copy of it?
2015-12-07 00:42 <nebadon> we'll see :)
2015-12-07 00:42 <Plugh> ok.
2015-12-07 00:43 <nebadon> this is first time ive ever compiled the viewer
2015-12-07 00:43 <Plugh> woohoo
2015-12-07 00:44 <Plugh> yea, compiling a viewer is not easy. I think it has gotten easier than in the past. I always used to give up after a while trying to get one to compile. As of now, I have been able to compile at least three or four different viewers.
2015-12-07 00:49 <nebadon> it launched!
2015-12-07 00:50 <nebadon> woohoo
2015-12-07 00:50 <nebadon> ok so 64 bit tackled
2015-12-07 00:55 <nebadon> woah
2015-12-07 00:55 <nebadon> the binary folder is 768mb
2015-12-07 00:56 <nebadon> i must have done something wrong
2015-12-07 00:56 <nebadon> the onlook-do-not-run-directly file is 691mb?
2015-12-07 00:56 <nebadon> wtf
2015-12-07 00:58 <nebadon> works perfectly but the file is freakin gigantic
2015-12-07 00:58 <nebadon> im confused
2015-12-07 00:59 <nebadon> http://onikenkon.com/OnLook/onlook_linux_001.jpg
2015-12-07 01:04 <nebadon> LiruCookies any suggestions on what i could be doing wrong? 
2015-12-07 01:04 <nebadon> followed this > http://www.singularityviewer.org/kb/build-linux
2015-12-07 01:04 <nebadon> ran > indra/develop.py -m64 -tRelease configure -DFMODSTUDIO:BOOL=TRUE
2015-12-07 01:04 <nebadon> huge binary file
2015-12-07 01:06 <nebadon> Plugh how large is your binary on your build?
2015-12-07 01:07 <nebadon> this file > onlook-do-not-run-directly
2015-12-07 01:12 <nebadon> we seriously need a unique visitor count stat on show stats
2015-12-07 01:12 <nebadon> and an accompanying OSSL function to display it
2015-12-07 01:12 <nebadon> be nice to know how many avatars visited a region since it started
2015-12-07 01:13 <nebadon> without crappy LSL timers and lists 
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2015-12-07 01:24 <OtakuMegane> You know, I seem to remember my long-ago compiling efforts did come out a bit odd. Lemme see if I still have a copy somewhere...
2015-12-07 01:24 <Plugh> nebadon: The tar file is about 260Meg
2015-12-07 01:26 <Plugh> nebadon: The do not run directly bin file is 736015261 bytes.
2015-12-07 01:26 <nebadon> ya wtf
2015-12-07 01:26 <nebadon> thats so wrong
2015-12-07 01:26 <Plugh> nebadon: If you have landing points a welcome mat could be used to record visitors. The visitor list could be saved to an offworld database.
2015-12-07 01:27 <Plugh> I built OnLook in RelWithDebInfo.
2015-12-07 01:27 <nebadon> id prefer something i can see on the console
2015-12-07 01:27 <nebadon> i dont have time to visit 100s of regions
2015-12-07 01:27 <nebadon> i get a better sense of how well a region is running by how many visitors its had
2015-12-07 01:27 <nebadon> more so than how long its been running
2015-12-07 01:28 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-12-07 01:28 <nebadon> or how much ram it is consuming
2015-12-07 01:28 <Plugh> ok. I could think of a welcome mat to record visitor counts to an offworld DB and a HUD that updates its display of counts from the DB so you can see the counts where you are while in world.
2015-12-07 01:29 <nebadon> id still have to visit 100s of regions to set it up
2015-12-07 01:29 <nebadon> even if there was some external way to read it
2015-12-07 01:29 <Plugh> The only other option, for after the fact, is check the Robust.log file.
2015-12-07 01:29 <OtakuMegane> An extra stat or two wouldn't hurt to have in OS anyway.
2015-12-07 01:29 <nebadon> oh ya i have options, i was mostly just thinking out loud
2015-12-07 01:29 <nebadon> how nice it would be to have it on show stats
2015-12-07 01:30 <Plugh> nebadon: I thought you were talking about something for the OSCC areas
2015-12-07 01:30 <nebadon> ah nah
2015-12-07 01:30 <nebadon> actually was on my raspberry pi at the time
2015-12-07 01:30 <nebadon> show names on console shows 100s of names
2015-12-07 01:30 <nebadon> but i remembered those could be from attachments
2015-12-07 01:30 <nebadon> literally 1 person could trigger 100s of names in the name cache
2015-12-07 01:31 <nebadon> im trying 32 bit now
2015-12-07 01:31 <Plugh> I'd like to be able to access script run time stats inworld.
2015-12-07 01:31 <nebadon> hopefully i have resolved all the dependencies now
2015-12-07 01:32 <nebadon> croaked at 38% bah
2015-12-07 01:34 <Plugh> :)
2015-12-07 01:34 <Plugh> What is the error?
2015-12-07 01:34 <nebadon> said its missing gcc_s
2015-12-07 01:34 <nebadon> but i have it and the 32 bit version
2015-12-07 01:34 <Plugh> gcc_s? Odd.
2015-12-07 01:35 <nebadon> im trying again fresh
2015-12-07 01:35 <Plugh> Are you building on a 64-bit or 32-bit platform and what is your target architecture.
2015-12-07 01:35 <nebadon> 64 bit platform with 32 bit target
2015-12-07 01:35 <Plugh> oh, you shouldn't have to keep doing that. It takes ages o build as is.
2015-12-07 01:35 <Plugh> ok, there are two other packages you probably need from what I've read.
2015-12-07 01:35 <nebadon> nah its fast
2015-12-07 01:35 <nebadon> less than 10 minutes
2015-12-07 01:35 <Plugh> ok, maybe on the new fast machine of yours. :)
2015-12-07 01:35 <Plugh> ok, on that new, very fast, machine of yours. :D
2015-12-07 01:36 <nebadon> :)
2015-12-07 01:37 <Plugh> 32-bit target on 64-bit machine may require libc6-dev-i386 which will also pull in libx32gcc-4.8-dev.
2015-12-07 01:38 <Plugh> That would be the case if you get a compile error about sys/cdefs.h not being found
2015-12-07 01:40 <Plugh> For your gcc_s problem, it may be an issue with ldconfig. You can check that with "sudo /sbin/ldconfig -p | grep libgcc".
2015-12-07 01:40 <nebadon> i think im past it but hit something else know
2015-12-07 01:40 <nebadon> now*
2015-12-07 01:40 <Plugh> :)
2015-12-07 01:41 <Plugh> yea, thats why I often gave up on viewer compile. It seemed like a never ending string of missing dependencies.
2015-12-07 01:41 <nebadon> haha ya
2015-12-07 01:41 <nebadon> its strange the 64 bit version is so gigantic
2015-12-07 01:41 <nebadon> kind of a bummer
2015-12-07 01:41 <nebadon> though to be honest
2015-12-07 01:41 <Plugh> yea.
2015-12-07 01:41 <nebadon> ive found almost all of the 64 bit viewers, suck
2015-12-07 01:41 <nebadon> really bad
2015-12-07 01:41 <Plugh> It may just be because of all the debug info it may have.
2015-12-07 01:41 <nebadon> the 32 bit viewer runs circles around them
2015-12-07 01:42 <nebadon> libXext this time
2015-12-07 01:43 <nebadon> 50% and going :0
2015-12-07 01:44 <Plugh> nebadon: I stripped the debug symbols from onlook and it is now 32658424 bytes
2015-12-07 01:44 <nebadon> how?
2015-12-07 01:44 <Plugh> strip -s
2015-12-07 01:44 <nebadon> in the root?
2015-12-07 01:45 <Plugh> strip -s onlook-do-not-run-directly.
2015-12-07 01:45 <nebadon> oh gotcha
2015-12-07 01:45 <nebadon> let me try
2015-12-07 01:45 <nebadon> fancy
2015-12-07 01:45 <nebadon> thanks
2015-12-07 01:45 <Plugh> There is a way to strip a binary and keep the debug symbols in a separate file. I've just forgotten the command line switch to do that.
2015-12-07 01:46 <Plugh> Oh, right. Just use a -o option to give the name of the stripped output file.
2015-12-07 01:46 <nebadon> ok we have a 64 bit release!
2015-12-07 01:46 <nebadon> just waiting on 32 bit
2015-12-07 01:47 <nebadon> i will test then post some tar.gz files
2015-12-07 01:47 <Plugh> But does it run? :)
2015-12-07 01:47 <nebadon> it does
2015-12-07 01:47 <Plugh> good.
2015-12-07 01:47 <nebadon> logging into OSCC now
2015-12-07 01:47 <Plugh> If you built as -tRelease you probably wouldn't need to strip the binary.
2015-12-07 01:47 <nebadon> that is how i did it
2015-12-07 01:47 <Plugh> ok.
2015-12-07 01:48 <nebadon> -m64 -tRelease
2015-12-07 01:48 <Plugh> I built with debug info in case I ran in to problem (as I usually do with viewers) so I could use back traces.
2015-12-07 01:48 <nebadon> http://onikenkon.com/OnLook/onlook_linux_002.jpg
2015-12-07 01:49 <nebadon> 80% on 32 bit
2015-12-07 01:49 <Plugh> I hope it is more stable than Singularity. Singularity is currently unusable.
2015-12-07 01:49 <nebadon> i will write up notes on my forum archive
2015-12-07 01:50 <nebadon> its an older version of singularity
2015-12-07 01:50 <nebadon> so probably yes
2015-12-07 01:50 <nebadon> you should try replex
2015-12-07 01:50 <nebadon> that is what i use most of the time
2015-12-07 01:50 <OtakuMegane> Hmm, Sing has been ok for me lately. Haven't tried the newest alphas though
2015-12-07 01:51 <nebadon> ya if you are compiling from git like this its like bleeding edge
2015-12-07 01:51 <Plugh> Under Linux current Sing totally sucks. It will crash within minutes, even when I'm not going anything.
2015-12-07 01:52 <nebadon> i dont expereince that myself with the release version
2015-12-07 01:52 <nebadon> the release seemed ok to me on 64 bit linux
2015-12-07 01:52 <Plugh> I've been using Sing alphas for a long time.
2015-12-07 01:52 <Plugh> somewhere after 5678(?) they put in a bad patch.
2015-12-07 01:52 <OtakuMegane> I'm on OS X so I guess a Linux-related issue maybe?
2015-12-07 01:52 <nebadon> ya its my understanding the alpha is broken
2015-12-07 01:53 <nebadon> but i cant say im very up to date on that either
2015-12-07 01:53 <nebadon> could be fixed for all i know
2015-12-07 01:53 <nebadon> dang now it stopped on GLU
2015-12-07 01:53 <nebadon> thought i did that
2015-12-07 01:53 <OtakuMegane> Let's see...the one I've currently got a copy of is build 6666
2015-12-07 01:54 <nebadon> damn it
2015-12-07 01:54 <nebadon> i didnt
2015-12-07 01:54 <Plugh> I have to check on a problem a user is having. be back in a sec.
2015-12-07 01:54 <nebadon> k
2015-12-07 01:57 <nebadon> ok success
2015-12-07 01:57 <Plugh> hehe... person couldn't login cause they were typoing their name and/or password.
2015-12-07 01:58 <Plugh> User kept typing byran instead of bryan for their first name.
2015-12-07 01:59 <nebadon> lol
2015-12-07 01:59 <nebadon> have to say i really like LXDE
2015-12-07 01:59 <nebadon> i chose that for this VM
2015-12-07 01:59 <nebadon> its super nice desktop
2015-12-07 01:59 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-12-07 01:59 <Plugh> A bit Mac like IIRC. 
2015-12-07 02:00 <nebadon> no more like Windows XP
2015-12-07 02:00 <Plugh> Nice and light though.
2015-12-07 02:00 <Plugh> Oh? hm... 
2015-12-07 02:00 <nebadon> ya its like a Windows XP clone 
2015-12-07 02:00 <nebadon> though i dont think that was what it was going for
2015-12-07 02:00 <nebadon> it just kind of happened 
2015-12-07 02:00 <nebadon> its more like Windows 2008
2015-12-07 02:00 <nebadon> i should say
2015-12-07 02:00 <nebadon> that non Aero desktop
2015-12-07 02:01 <nebadon> 2003/2008
2015-12-07 02:01 <Plugh> ok. Must be thinking of a different one. I stick to a Gnome type desktop.
2015-12-07 02:01 <nebadon> http://blog.lxde.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/lxde-qt.png
2015-12-07 02:01 <Plugh> Now I'm wondering which one looks a bit Mac like.
2015-12-07 02:01 <nebadon> its a bit nicer than this in opensuse
2015-12-07 02:01 <nebadon> since opensuse themese it
2015-12-07 02:01 <OtakuMegane> OS GUIs aren't terribly different from one another now.
2015-12-07 02:03 <Plugh> They can be very different in look.
2015-12-07 02:03 <Plugh> OtakuMegane: I have Sing alpha 6679 and I can't use it.
2015-12-07 02:04 <Plugh> Last usable one was around 55 something
2015-12-07 02:04 <Plugh> I forget the last two digits.
2015-12-07 02:04 <OtakuMegane> In the artistic sense, yes if you customize them. Functionally and in their basic design/themes, not so much.
2015-12-07 02:05 <Plugh> Don't have to customize them. Gnome, KDE, SunOS style, Motif type, and the Mac like one. They may not always be that dissimilar in how you use them.
2015-12-07 02:05 <Plugh> hehe... someone made Macbuntu.
2015-12-07 02:06 <Plugh> http://cdn3.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Final-preview.png
2015-12-07 02:06 <Plugh> I don't remember which DE has the icons across the bottom that change size as you roll the mouse over them.
2015-12-07 02:07 <nebadon> diva > http://onlook.onikenkon.com/OnLook_1-8-6-6289.tar.gz
2015-12-07 02:07 <nebadon> diva > http://onlook.onikenkon.com/OnLook_x64_1-8-6-6289.tar.gz
2015-12-07 02:09 <OtakuMegane> I don't think I will ever really get used to using tabs, though.
2015-12-07 02:10 <Plugh> 
ACTION download Sing Alpha 6691

2015-12-07 02:10 <nebadon> this is my current desktop im working on
2015-12-07 02:10 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/WOPR/WOPR_Tumbleweed_002.png
2015-12-07 02:10 <nebadon> KDE Plasma 5.3
2015-12-07 02:11 <Plugh> eek. My eyes. I just saw two icons saying "Pulse Audio"  ;)
2015-12-07 02:11 <nebadon> oh 5.4.2 actually according to the screenshot
2015-12-07 02:11 <nebadon> hehe they keep sneaking in updated on tumbleweed
2015-12-07 02:11 <nebadon> yes actually it works quite well
2015-12-07 02:11 <Plugh> I was on dual core and you had 8 core. I get 8 core then you got a 12 core. :)
2015-12-07 02:12 <nebadon> http://onlook.onikenkon.com/onlook_linux_003.jpg
2015-12-07 02:12 <OtakuMegane> My desktop has better graphics but otherwise my server usually outclasses it at any given time lol
2015-12-07 02:12 <nebadon> lol
2015-12-07 02:12 <nebadon> this motherboard supports the 20 core coming out 
2015-12-07 02:13 <Plugh> 20 core? :P
2015-12-07 02:14 <Plugh> Let's see how long it takes for Sing to crash
2015-12-07 02:14 <Plugh> Logging in to a grid.
2015-12-07 02:14 <Plugh> I'm in.
2015-12-07 02:15 <nebadon> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117483
2015-12-07 02:15 <nebadon> there is an i7 version slated
2015-12-07 02:15 <nebadon> for socket 2011-v3
2015-12-07 02:15 <nebadon> technically i could put that cpu in the motherboard i got
2015-12-07 02:15 <nebadon> lol
2015-12-07 02:16 <nebadon> cpu would cost more than the entire rest of the computer combined though
2015-12-07 02:16 <nebadon> lol
2015-12-07 02:16 <nebadon> its 10 physical cores 20 virtual cores
2015-12-07 02:17 <OtakuMegane> Very cool but serious waste for me. I don't manage to peg my quad-core aside from some gaming/video or OS/SL viewers.
2015-12-07 02:17 <Plugh> Boom! Sing just crashed right after a TP
2015-12-07 02:17 <nebadon> its nice to have for virtual machines
2015-12-07 02:17 <Plugh> It ran about 2.5 minutes before it crashed.
2015-12-07 02:18 <nebadon> give replex a try
2015-12-07 02:18 <OtakuMegane> Aside from Parallels when I have to run something Windowsish, don't make use of them at home.
2015-12-07 02:18 <nebadon> https://bitbucket.org/replex/replex/downloads/Replex-x86_64-1.0.0.6229.tar.bz2
2015-12-07 02:18 <OtakuMegane> Might do VMs a bit more if I needed to develop for Linux desktop though.
2015-12-07 02:19 <Plugh> 6229? Umm... I have 6415 installd.
2015-12-07 02:19 <nebadon> oh hrmm
2015-12-07 02:19 <Plugh> yea, Replex Alpha
2015-12-07 02:19 <nebadon> oh you mean replex
2015-12-07 02:19 <nebadon> i thought you meant onlook
2015-12-07 02:19 <OtakuMegane> So I guess Sing is still broken under Linux, then
2015-12-07 02:20 <Plugh> Otaku, yup, it is.
2015-12-07 02:20 <Plugh> I've been using FS but I don't like some things about it.
2015-12-07 02:20 <Plugh> At least it doesn't crash on me in under 3 minutes.
2015-12-07 02:20 <OtakuMegane> It's been a year or so since I tried FS last but it was terrible that time.
2015-12-07 02:20 <nebadon> the best thing i like about replex is the skin
2015-12-07 02:20 <nebadon> i could move the skin into singualrity or onlook
2015-12-07 02:21 <nebadon> but replex works the best for me of them all
2015-12-07 02:21 <Plugh> I have CoolVL and Replex in addition to Sing, FS, and now, OnLook.
2015-12-07 02:21 <nebadon> sometimes when i do machinima i pull out firestorm
2015-12-07 02:21 <nebadon> it has superior shadows
2015-12-07 02:21 <nebadon> and better frame rates when i record
2015-12-07 02:22 <nebadon> unfortunaetly the shadows are quite bad in singularity and replex
2015-12-07 02:22 <nebadon> very jagged and blinky
2015-12-07 02:22 <Plugh> FS keeps leaving camera constraints on. I turned them off once before and they are back on again.
2015-12-07 02:22 <OtakuMegane> I've noticed that
2015-12-07 02:23 <Plugh> I find that really annoying when I trying to build.
2015-12-07 02:23 <OtakuMegane> But last time I tried FS, at least on Opensim, it ran about 1/2-1/3 the speed of Sing and wasn't entirely stable. Might be better on my current system.
2015-12-07 02:23 <nebadon> you need good hardware for sure with firestorm
2015-12-07 02:23 <Plugh> I can't find how to turn it off without going in to debug settings but I also have trouble finding out how to get the debug settings.
2015-12-07 02:23 <OtakuMegane> Mine isn't exactly crappy :P
2015-12-07 02:23 <nebadon> its on one of the advanced menu Plugh
2015-12-07 02:23 <nebadon> ctrl+alt+d
2015-12-07 02:23 <nebadon> that menu
2015-12-07 02:24 <Plugh> In Replex or FS?
2015-12-07 02:24 <nebadon> both i suspect
2015-12-07 02:24 <nebadon> i think in firestorm
2015-12-07 02:24 <OtakuMegane> Well, downloading FS now, see how well it works for me now. It has been a little while.
2015-12-07 02:24 <nebadon> that menu is disabled by default
2015-12-07 02:24 <Plugh> I could find it in Sing but so many viewers move things around.
2015-12-07 02:24 <nebadon> in replex it is not
2015-12-07 02:26 <Plugh> btw under Linux you have to go Ctrl-Alt-Shift-D
2015-12-07 02:27 <nebadon> ah ya
2015-12-07 02:27 <Plugh> no idea why
2015-12-07 02:27 <nebadon> becasue sometimes KDE has shortcuts preassigned
2015-12-07 02:27 <Plugh> I'm not using KDE.
2015-12-07 02:27 <nebadon> and you can do stuff like launch a virtual bash
2015-12-07 02:27 <nebadon> right but others might be
2015-12-07 02:27 <nebadon> its not smart enough to detect
2015-12-07 02:27 <Plugh> Does Ctrl-Alt-D do something in KDE for you?
2015-12-07 02:28 <nebadon> no not that one in particular but others do
2015-12-07 02:28 <nebadon> i think the decision was made maybe to sweepingly change it all
2015-12-07 02:28 <nebadon> so it was common
2015-12-07 02:29 <Plugh> No voice chat in Replex.
2015-12-07 02:29 <Plugh> wow. Replex is really fast to logout and back in again.
2015-12-07 02:30 <Plugh> and it crashed logging back in
2015-12-07 02:30 <nebadon> yea its my prefered building tool
2015-12-07 02:30 <nebadon> for creating content
2015-12-07 02:30 <nebadon> wierd
2015-12-07 02:30 <nebadon> you really do need a video card upgrade one of these days :)
2015-12-07 02:30 <nebadon> Geforce 9600 you have?
2015-12-07 02:31 <Plugh> It would have been fast to log in again if it didn't crash part way through login process
2015-12-07 02:31 <nebadon> thats really on the edge
2015-12-07 02:32 <Joshhua5> Where would the information about what face a texture is on be stored for a RegionModule to access?
2015-12-07 02:33 <OtakuMegane> Hmm, well FS is perfoming about the same as Sing, so that's much improved from last time at least.
2015-12-07 02:34 <Plugh> Voice in Replex is messed up. I just hear noise.
2015-12-07 02:34 <OtakuMegane> Definitely right about the shadows looking better
2015-12-07 02:34 <Plugh> nebadon: 9500GT
2015-12-07 02:35 <Plugh> oh, noise finally stopped and voice started working properly.
2015-12-07 02:35 <nebadon> i have yet to get my microphone to work properly in linux with any viewer
2015-12-07 02:36 <nebadon> one reason i have to reboot to windows quite a lot
2015-12-07 02:36 <nebadon> I havent tried a lot with new machine yet, but first few attempts no one could hear me
2015-12-07 02:36 <nebadon> OnLook
2015-12-07 02:37 <nebadon> haha wrong keyboard
2015-12-07 02:43 <Plugh> Oh. It works a bit depending on viewer. Usually it works for the most part.
2015-12-07 02:45 <nebadon> ya i think for me is more about my mic and pulseaudio than the viewer maybe
2015-12-07 02:45 <nebadon> i dont know
2015-12-07 03:00 <Plugh> Could be. PulseAudio has caused a lot of problems.
2015-12-07 03:00 <Plugh> You need to check a number of the mixers in Linux.
2015-12-07 03:06 <nebadon> yea major problem i found
2015-12-07 03:06 <nebadon> is that skype only works with pulseaudio
2015-12-07 03:08 <Plugh> Replex wouldn't show me the names of the speakers in voice. Just said (waiting) for all of them.
2015-12-07 03:08 <Plugh> Really?
2015-12-07 03:08 <nebadon> it should show you
2015-12-07 03:08 <nebadon> but vivox is buggy as hell in linux
2015-12-07 03:08 <Plugh> it should but it didn't.
2015-12-07 03:09 <Plugh> yea, it really is. I often have voice issues.
2015-12-07 03:09 <nebadon> which viewer?
2015-12-07 03:09 <Plugh> Replex wasn't showing the voice speaker names.
2015-12-07 03:09 <nebadon> you might actually have best luck with voice in linux in firestorm
2015-12-07 03:10 <Plugh> btw, you could check gnome-alsamixer to see if mic input is enabled. Might default to wrong mic input.
2015-12-07 03:10 <Plugh> Also right click speaker icon and check Input settings.
2015-12-07 03:10 <Plugh> hm... of course, mic did work for you as you used it during the conference.
2015-12-07 03:11 <Plugh> unless you weren't under Linux at the time.
2015-12-07 03:11 <Plugh> I'm going to try CoolVL.
2015-12-07 03:12 <Plugh> Voice chat is also broken in Sing. I can hear using it but can't talk using it. Now that it crashes so fast I've about given up on Sing.
2015-12-07 03:12 <Plugh> Voice used to work (more or less) but Sing broke voice a long time ago.
2015-12-07 03:13 <nebadon> actually LL did
2015-12-07 03:13 <nebadon> with the last vivox update
2015-12-07 03:13 <nebadon> totally botched linux
2015-12-07 03:13 <nebadon> they stopped supporting linux basically
2015-12-07 03:13 <nebadon> long before they said they were
2015-12-07 03:13 <Plugh> Some viewers must be using ancient vivox then.
2015-12-07 03:13 <nebadon> yep
2015-12-07 03:14 <Plugh> These are things that weren't really discussed at the oscc viewer panel 
2015-12-07 03:14 <nebadon> ya we arent far enough along to talk about it
2015-12-07 03:14 <nebadon> we need to replace vivox completely
2015-12-07 03:15 <nebadon> something better, more open
2015-12-07 03:15 <nebadon> we should look at HTML5 maybe for voice
2015-12-07 03:15 <Plugh> If we could get away from some SL compatability there was talk of Mumble 
2015-12-07 03:15 <nebadon> there are voice protocols 
2015-12-07 03:15 <Plugh> ok
2015-12-07 03:16 <nebadon> http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/webrtc/basics/
2015-12-07 03:17 <nebadon> https://www.doubango.org/sipml5/
2015-12-07 03:18 <nebadon> the 2d web and the 3d web should feel seemless at some point
2015-12-07 03:18 <nebadon> wether in web browser or a custom client
2015-12-07 03:18 <nebadon> the web should be fully accessible
2015-12-07 03:19 <Plugh> Is WebRTC just a one on one chat?
2015-12-07 03:19 <nebadon> not sure I dont think so though
2015-12-07 03:19 <nebadon> we have an app we use called Bitrix24 it has voice and group calling built into the website
2015-12-07 03:20 <nebadon> https://www.bitrix24.com/features/communications.php
2015-12-07 03:22 <Plugh> What would it take to use this in a viewer?
2015-12-07 03:22 <Plugh> The WebRTC stuff that is.
2015-12-07 03:22 <nebadon> maybe an updated webkit
2015-12-07 03:22 <nebadon> i dont know
2015-12-07 03:23 <Plugh> An updated webkit is something else that's been talked about before.
2015-12-07 03:24 <nebadon> i might be completely wrong but I think LL forked webkit long ago and its kind of hard to update it
2015-12-07 03:24 <nebadon> because LL didnt remain compliant
2015-12-07 03:24 <nebadon> i think to handle stuff like secondlife://
2015-12-07 03:24 <nebadon> maybe other things
2015-12-07 03:25 <nebadon> teapot did at one point, however i suspect it was not 100% LL compliant
2015-12-07 03:25 <Plugh> yet another reason we need to look at breaking away from all this SL compliance someday.
2015-12-07 03:28 <OtakuMegane> Yeah. Things like property updates we were discussing last night too. LL I certainly give props for what they did put together over the years, but there's a lot that can be done better.
2015-12-07 03:30 <OtakuMegane> Hmm, WebRTC looks interesting
2015-12-07 03:30 <nebadon> ya there is a lot of potential there
2015-12-07 03:31 <nebadon> we shouldnt ignore html5 and webgl
2015-12-07 03:31 <nebadon> not as a main scene render tool so much
2015-12-07 03:31 <nebadon> but as a way to enhance a proper openGL viewer
2015-12-07 03:31 <OtakuMegane> Video and stuff possibly. And it could allow bridging outside of OS.
2015-12-07 03:31 <nebadon> putting content on geometry surfaces etc..
2015-12-07 03:32 <nebadon> need to think beyond prims real proper 3d websites
2015-12-07 03:32 <nebadon> but inside of a 3d model
2015-12-07 03:32 <nebadon> or as a hud
2015-12-07 03:33 <nebadon> play webgl pacman on my 3D modeled arcade cabinet
2015-12-07 03:33 <nebadon> stuff like that
2015-12-07 03:34 <OtakuMegane> Yeah
2015-12-07 03:35 <Plugh> nebadon, BTW, you can check the device settings in voice chat section of preferences. Try selecting a different option for Input device.
2015-12-07 03:38 <Plugh> Hm... Cool. doesn't have a setting to let me hear voice chat equally regardless.
2015-12-07 03:39 <nebadon> with Pulse the only option is pulse
2015-12-07 03:40 <nebadon> I can also say the MOAP is much better in Firestorm
2015-12-07 03:40 <nebadon> not so great in Sing/Rep
2015-12-07 03:40 <nebadon> good enough though i guess, the sound fall off is kind of bad
2015-12-07 03:40 <Plugh> You should have the ability to select input of system default, Pulse audio, or other USB devices that can provide audio
2015-12-07 03:42 <OtakuMegane> I remember the first time soneone in SL showed me a Youtube player using parcel media. It was so awesome at the time.
2015-12-07 05:49 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JYVl9Autxs
2015-12-07 16:17 <Plugh> Would there be any problems using Warp3D map tile generation on large vars with lots of prims other than it might take a bit longer to generate the map tile?
2015-12-07 16:18 <nebadon> as long as its not on the timer
2015-12-07 16:18 <nebadon> there is really no problem with Warp3D
2015-12-07 16:19 <nebadon> the only time it is kind of sort of a problem
2015-12-07 16:19 <nebadon> is the first time you start a region with a ton of content, and its fcache is clear
2015-12-07 16:19 <nebadon> it literally has to download the entire simulator first, before it can render the tile
2015-12-07 16:19 <nebadon> so for something like say Wright Plaza, it can take 20-30 minutes to render the tile
2015-12-07 16:19 <nebadon> but only that first time
2015-12-07 16:20 <nebadon> after that once cache is full its much faster and better and less memory used
2015-12-07 16:20 <Plugh> ok. I have a few rather large vars with lots of prims. I've set refresh to 0.
2015-12-07 16:20 <nebadon> what we really need is to have an external tile generator option
2015-12-07 16:20 <nebadon> not have the simulator do it
2015-12-07 16:21 <Plugh> Exactly what I've been thinking for quite some time.
2015-12-07 16:21 <nebadon> LL has a viewer based bot that does it
2015-12-07 16:21 <nebadon> crawls the grid rendering tiles
2015-12-07 16:21 <nebadon> probably more sophisticated than my terrible description
2015-12-07 16:21 <nebadon> but its generally that
2015-12-07 16:21 <Plugh> I've thought that if Warp3D could be run as an external program it could be easier to debug it and it would take a bit of the load off the instances.
2015-12-07 16:22 <Plugh> ah, ok.
2015-12-07 16:22 <Plugh> yea, a viewer based one might be another way to do it.
2015-12-07 16:22 <nebadon> I can tell you from expereince with OSCC
2015-12-07 16:22 <nebadon> hard coding the tile is a much much muuuuuuch better experience
2015-12-07 16:22 <nebadon> take warp or tile rendering completely out of the picture
2015-12-07 16:22 <nebadon> the region starts up in like 10 seconds
2015-12-07 16:23 <nebadon> warp3d is literally the reason it takes minutes or 10s of minutes
2015-12-07 16:23 <Plugh> Problem with that is if you snapshot the region from on high with the camera you don't quite get a true satellite view of the whole region.
2015-12-07 16:23 <Plugh> Perspective comes in to play.
2015-12-07 16:23 <nebadon> ya
2015-12-07 16:23 <nebadon> you can mess with perspective in settings
2015-12-07 16:23 <nebadon> did you see OSCC tiles
2015-12-07 16:23 <nebadon> those are all just screenshots with viewer
2015-12-07 16:23 <nebadon> the entire grid map
2015-12-07 16:23 <nebadon> http://cc.opensimulator.org/map
2015-12-07 16:23 <Plugh> I know what the Keynote area look like.
2015-12-07 16:24 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-12-07 16:24 <Plugh> bbiab
2015-12-07 16:27 <Ubit> hmm
2015-12-07 16:28 <Ubit> some people is reporting 0.9 uses a lot more memory that previus versions
2015-12-07 16:28 <Ubit> you have similar reports?
2015-12-07 16:30 <Plugh> More? Hm...
2015-12-07 16:31 <Ubit> one told me a 1.4GB not takes almost 5GB :(
2015-12-07 16:31 <JoeRadik> nebadon, if OSCC wants to do something for sponsors like put posters somewhere that will get distributed I can help with that.
2015-12-07 16:31 <Plugh> I haven't used it yet. Had used the avnmerge branch but I was looking for bugs not memory usage.
2015-12-07 16:31 <Plugh> Ubit, I hope that's not true. That is quite a jump.
2015-12-07 16:31 <Ubit> well mem can be from bugs ...
2015-12-07 16:31 <Plugh> yes.
2015-12-07 16:32 <Ubit> only some do report this
2015-12-07 16:32 <Plugh> For C programs I know how to do checks for memory leaks. I don't know how to do that for C# programs.
2015-12-07 16:32 <Ubit> C# hides it
2015-12-07 16:33 <Ubit> sometimes  makes it worse
2015-12-07 16:33 <Ubit> bc in C at least you do get a SEG FAULT :p
2015-12-07 16:33 <Plugh> Hm... warp3D is odd(?). I have a 2x2 var and the tile looks good until I zoom in then it shows the older version of the map tile.
2015-12-07 16:33 <Ubit> warp3D as a known leak
2015-12-07 16:34 <Plugh> In C I can run a region using valgrind and get a report when the program shuts down as to whether there was any leaked memory.
2015-12-07 16:34 <Ubit> 16MB each time it runs in a 2Km region
2015-12-07 16:34 <Plugh> Ubit, I'm only using it on region startup.
2015-12-07 16:34 <Ubit> framework handles memory allocation
2015-12-07 16:35 <Ubit> but we can forget to remove references to objects..
2015-12-07 16:35 <Ubit> if so they will never be deleted
2015-12-07 16:36 <Ubit> ufff
2015-12-07 16:36 <Ubit> having problems also with reports of broken scripts because of llRotLookAt
2015-12-07 16:36 <nebadon> JoeRadik ya that would be good
2015-12-07 16:36 <nebadon> the grid will stay up
2015-12-07 16:37 <nebadon> there is no reason to not do more work on it
2015-12-07 16:37 <nebadon> we still need to clean up the oars so we can share them
2015-12-07 16:37 <nebadon> OSCC is definitely not over in that regard
2015-12-07 16:37 <Ubit> since dahlias changes last feb, it doesn't work with vehicles ( never was supposed 2 )
2015-12-07 16:38 <Ubit> several scripts do use it with vehicles.. grrrr
2015-12-07 16:38 <nebadon> LSL ideally works to spec
2015-12-07 16:38 <Ubit> LL says its use with vehicles is "unpredicatable"
2015-12-07 16:38 <nebadon> kind of makes sense
2015-12-07 16:39 <Ubit> yeap  collides with the vehicle motors
2015-12-07 16:39 <Ubit> it used to work, bc we changed the orientation
2015-12-07 16:39 <Ubit> dahlias changed that, using the angular velocity, so letting physics move it
2015-12-07 16:40 <Ubit> and pofff..   vehicle angulart motor.. kicks in
2015-12-07 16:41 <Ubit> i changed that a bit..  but keeping dahlias  method
2015-12-07 16:42 <Ubit> so.. several scripts now fail
2015-12-07 16:42 <Ubit> ( just had someone telling 0.9 script was all broken etc etc..  and that was the issue )
2015-12-07 16:43 <Ubit> amasing how some scripts ever seemed to work...
2015-12-07 16:43 <nebadon> ya was bound to happen
2015-12-07 16:43 <Ubit> btw several plazas now have a flood of script errors
2015-12-07 16:44 <nebadon> wierd
2015-12-07 16:44 <nebadon> any clue why?
2015-12-07 16:44 <nebadon> attachments or something?
2015-12-07 16:44 <Ubit> yeap
2015-12-07 16:44 <Ubit> avn code made some errors visible
2015-12-07 16:44 <nebadon> ahh ok
2015-12-07 16:44 <nebadon> well atleast that is an easy fix :)
2015-12-07 16:44 <Ubit> invalid keys is the case
2015-12-07 16:45 <nebadon> ah yes
2015-12-07 16:45 <nebadon> I try to avoid using uuids anymore in scripts
2015-12-07 16:45 <nebadon> its HG unsafe
2015-12-07 16:45 <Ubit> my thing is ..  make it silent again or leave the flood till ppl fix :)
2015-12-07 16:45 <nebadon> safer to read content inventory
2015-12-07 16:46 <Ubit> yeap but that invalid key error.. it was silent
2015-12-07 16:46 <Ubit> [08:46] llRequestAgentData: Invalid UUID passed to llRequestAgentData.
2015-12-07 16:46 <Ubit> [08:46] llRequestAgentData: Invalid UUID passed to llRequestAgentData.
2015-12-07 16:46 <Ubit> just now at Zaius
2015-12-07 16:46 <nebadon> oh hmm
2015-12-07 16:46 <Ubit> Online Notifier UUID
2015-12-07 16:47 <nebadon> not HG uuid safe?
2015-12-07 16:47 <nebadon> those long serialized uuid
2015-12-07 16:47 <nebadon> with then URL and name and such
2015-12-07 16:47 <Ubit> no ideia, not looking to the script
2015-12-07 16:47 <nebadon> yea
2015-12-07 16:47 <Ubit> the change is that avn code does complain :)
2015-12-07 16:47 <nebadon> right
2015-12-07 16:48 <Ubit> previus.. well at least was silent
2015-12-07 16:48 <nebadon> no error means it must be working right!
2015-12-07 16:48 <Ubit> yeap it should complain
2015-12-07 16:48 <Ubit> but i see it in several places
2015-12-07 16:49 <Ubit> well on plazas its the same script it seems
2015-12-07 16:51 <Ubit> well let me know.. i can "mute" some of those errors
2015-12-07 16:52 <nebadon> i guess the question is, is the error justified
2015-12-07 16:52 <nebadon> is behavior actually changing
2015-12-07 16:52 <Ubit> think its just muted or not
2015-12-07 16:52 <nebadon> right
2015-12-07 16:53 <nebadon> if thats the case id say mute it in world, maybe warning or error on console instead?
2015-12-07 16:53 <Ubit> nah console is not usefull
2015-12-07 16:54 <Ubit> ideia is that script dev does see the error
2015-12-07 16:55 <nebadon> right
2015-12-07 16:56 <Ubit> first case i noticed, the script was actually failing.. so seening the error did help fixing it
2015-12-07 16:56 <nebadon> yea
2015-12-07 16:57 <nebadon> in that case its very useful to have th message
2015-12-07 16:57 <Ubit> yeap it is
2015-12-07 16:57 <nebadon> but also dont want to degrade the experience for everyone because of 1 bad script
2015-12-07 16:57 <Plugh> If it shows a script is doing something wrong then show the error.
2015-12-07 16:58 <Ubit> yeap thats my ideia.. just asking bc see it in several places like several plazas
2015-12-07 16:58 <Ubit> "Online Notifier UUID"  script
2015-12-07 16:58 <Ubit> ( a damm flood or errors.. )
2015-12-07 16:59 <Ubit> hmm and that name.. seems it is doing something we are suposed to do in regions code :)
2015-12-07 17:02 <Ubit> grrrr viewers also fail to apply some visual parameters
2015-12-07 17:03 <Ubit> notice it on pants
2015-12-07 17:04 <Ubit> singu fails most of the time, but does rez attachments...  FS  does it right most of time, fails attachments
2015-12-07 17:04 <Ubit> grrr
2015-12-07 17:05 <Ubit> ( this looking t others.. not self)
2015-12-07 17:06 <Ubit> SIm guardian script also
2015-12-07 17:22 <Rodger> ode broken on 0.9.0
2015-12-07 17:22 <Ubit> define broken and ode or ubOde ?
2015-12-07 17:22 <Rodger> ubode and it crashes on startup
2015-12-07 17:22 <Rodger> cant find lib64/ode
2015-12-07 17:23 <Ubit> fresh folder ?
2015-12-07 17:23 <Rodger> yes
2015-12-07 17:23 <Rodger> 2015-12-07 18:21:20,789 ERROR (1) - OpenSim.Framework.Util [UTIL]: Couldn't find native Windows library at lib64\ode.dll
2015-12-07 17:24 <Rodger> compiled it fresh
2015-12-07 17:25 <Ken_S> ubODE is working fine when compiled from dev master on my machine.
2015-12-07 17:25 <Ubit> actually both ode engines use that same file
2015-12-07 17:25 <Rodger> so why the crashing??
2015-12-07 17:26 <Ubit> the file is there ?
2015-12-07 17:26 <Rodger> yes
2015-12-07 17:26 <Rodger> i copied from my home computer to my server
2015-12-07 17:27 <Rodger> on my home computer it works fine but not on any other computer
2015-12-07 17:28 <Ubit> odd
2015-12-07 17:28 <Rodger> i need to know why
2015-12-07 17:29 <Rodger> both machines have the same enviroment
2015-12-07 17:29 <Ubit> i will let you know when i know :p
2015-12-07 17:29 <Ubit> never had that issue :(
2015-12-07 17:29 <Ken_S> Something missing from the standard dot net framework install?
2015-12-07 17:30 <Ubit> ohh funny  doing  bin\opensim   fails
2015-12-07 17:30 <Rodger> i have 4.5
2015-12-07 17:30 <Rodger> ?
2015-12-07 17:30 <Rodger> bin\opensim?
2015-12-07 17:30 <Ubit> we need to be in the bin folder to start opensim ? odd
2015-12-07 17:30 <Rodger> we use bat scripts to start opensim
2015-12-07 17:31 <Rodger> so that is an issue?
2015-12-07 17:31 <Ubit> well don't forget a cd   to the bin path
2015-12-07 17:31 <Ubit> seems its needed...
2015-12-07 17:31 <Ken_S> Ubit, I think the bin folder always had to be the current folder...
2015-12-07 17:31 <Ubit> ( not related to yr issue .. i was just testing )
2015-12-07 17:32 <Ubit> yeap  i just forgot that :)
2015-12-07 17:32 <Rodger> im hoping that its dot net
2015-12-07 17:32 <Rodger> i have 4.5 but not 4.0
2015-12-07 17:32 <Ubit> i started it outside to see it whould replicate Rodger problem.. and it failed long before phsyics :)
2015-12-07 17:34 <Ken_S> Maybe better install 3.5 and 4.0 also to be safe.
2015-12-07 17:34 <Ubit> Rodger  try coping the dll again
2015-12-07 17:35 <Ubit> but notice  32bit and 64bit are diferent..
2015-12-07 17:37 <Ubit> hmm 32bit around 529KB   64b around 623KB sizes
2015-12-07 17:38 <Ubit> Rodger, delete also the folder addin-db-02   ( unrelated but can give issues )
2015-12-07 17:38 <Rodger> did that
2015-12-07 17:38 <Ubit> (it will be recreated on startup... )
2015-12-07 17:39 <Ubit> ok
2015-12-07 17:39 <Rodger> the only thing that works is disabling ubode
2015-12-07 17:39 <Ubit> old ode works ?
2015-12-07 17:39 <Rodger> no
2015-12-07 17:39 <Rodger> only bulletsim
2015-12-07 17:39 <Ubit> ok its the same lib
2015-12-07 17:39 <Ubit> so that copy is broken, for same reason
2015-12-07 17:39 <Ubit> did you copied it again ?
2015-12-07 17:40 <Rodger> yes and checksums match so its not corrupted
2015-12-07 17:41 <Ubit> size is aroun 623kb ?
2015-12-07 17:43 <Rodger> yes
2015-12-07 17:43 <Ubit> btw your box is really 64bits ?
2015-12-07 17:43 <Rodger> yes
2015-12-07 17:44 <Ubit> bahh no ideia why it is failing :(
2015-12-07 17:44 <Rodger> 64bit windows 2008 r2 datacenter edition
2015-12-07 17:46 <Rodger> set OSIM_LOGPATH=C:\MasterBat\beachbums\
2015-12-07 17:46 <Rodger> CD C:\MasterBat\Master
2015-12-07 17:46 <Rodger> OpenSim.exe -inidirectory=C:\MasterBat\beachbums
2015-12-07 17:46 <Ubit> for some reason yr framework is not identifiing it as a 64bit exec
2015-12-07 17:46 <Rodger> thats how we startit
2015-12-07 17:47 <Ubit> CD C:\MasterBat\Master  contains lib64 ?
2015-12-07 17:47 <Rodger> yes
2015-12-07 17:48 <Rodger> howeverr why does it use bulletsim then as bulletsim is also in lib64
2015-12-07 17:49 <Ubit> good question
2015-12-07 17:49 <Ubit> let me compare code
2015-12-07 17:50 <Ubit> well if i understand bullet init code :p
2015-12-07 17:52 <Ubit>     if (Util.IsWindows())        Util.LoadArchSpecificWindowsDll("BulletSim.dll");
2015-12-07 17:52 <Ubit> similar code
2015-12-07 17:53 <Ubit>             if (Util.IsWindows())
2015-12-07 17:53 <Ubit>                 Util.LoadArchSpecificWindowsDll("ode.dll");
2015-12-07 17:54 <Ubit> you have a 8.2 bin around ?
2015-12-07 17:55 <Ubit> if you do, please for testing try using its lib64/ode.dll
2015-12-07 17:57 <Rodger> one sec
2015-12-07 17:59 <Rodger> nope same crash
2015-12-07 17:59 <Ubit> grrr
2015-12-07 17:59 <Plugh> hm... I thought we had a dev meeting on Dec 1st but it hasn't been posted yet.
2015-12-07 17:59 <Ubit> on paste the inifiles on that folder
2015-12-07 18:00 <Ubit> and fire it without the -inifile.. options
2015-12-07 18:00 <Rodger> i did that i created new instance still same issue
2015-12-07 18:00 <Ubit> can't be
2015-12-07 18:01 <Rodger> what are the exact requirements
2015-12-07 18:01 <Rodger> i have net 4.0 4.5 
2015-12-07 18:01 <nebadon> are you trying to load dll outside of /bin?
2015-12-07 18:01 <Ubit> he was neb
2015-12-07 18:01 <nebadon> ok cause that wont work will it?
2015-12-07 18:02 <Rodger> no
2015-12-07 18:02 <Ubit> requerement is 4.0..  but not related to this i think
2015-12-07 18:03 <Rodger> it works on my home computer but not on the servers so there has to be more than 4.0 as a requirement
2015-12-07 18:03 <Ubit> well it does find bullet.. so guess its not a path issue
2015-12-07 18:04 <Ubit> guess it doesn't like ode.dll as a 64b dll
2015-12-07 18:04 <Ubit> 8.2 works fine there ?
2015-12-07 18:04 <Rodger> but my computer does
2015-12-07 18:04 <Rodger> 8.2 works if i disable ode
2015-12-07 18:04 <Rodger> i have never been able to use ode it crashes
2015-12-07 18:05 <Ubit> ahhh so its a old issue
2015-12-07 18:05 <Rodger> yes
2015-12-07 18:06 <Rodger> so now need to find out why it works on my dev computer but not on my server
2015-12-07 18:06 <Ubit> hmm its a server..   the file permitions are ok?
2015-12-07 18:06 <Ubit> exec rights etc ?
2015-12-07 18:06 <Rodger> yes
2015-12-07 18:06 <Ubit> well the 0.9 was compiled on a win7 enviroment.. so it could have issues
2015-12-07 18:07 <Ubit> the 8.2  well not ideia what justin used to compile it :)
2015-12-07 18:10 <Ubit> or what did radams used to compile bullet, that does run there
2015-12-07 18:13 <Rodger> i compiled it fine on dev computer and ubode works same Openating ASystem as servers
2015-12-07 18:17 <Ubit> no ideia :(
2015-12-07 18:17 <Rodger> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B577i6m2-GOsWURBaDBIMUVIZDA/view?usp=sharing
2015-12-07 18:17 <Rodger> that is the one i compiled if you want to check
2015-12-07 18:17 <Ubit> this is not compile issue
2015-12-07 18:18 <Ubit> the your framework seems not like that dll
2015-12-07 18:18 <Rodger> but why all the computers are the same enviroment
2015-12-07 18:18 <Ubit> only time i had that was when i pasted a 32bit version on the 64bit folders
2015-12-07 18:24 <Rodger> how many people tried this on computers that dont have visual studios of any kind installed ever
2015-12-07 18:24 <Rodger> i bbet it only woks if it is
2015-12-07 18:24 <Rodger> its the only diffrence between my dev computer nad the staging server
2015-12-07 18:24 <Ubit> should not need vs
2015-12-07 18:24 <Ubit> but then  i do have vs
2015-12-07 18:26 <Plugh> nebadon, do you have the OS dev meeting notes from the 1st?
2015-12-07 18:27 <Rodger> vs installs lots of crap it might install something that ode is requireing
2015-12-07 18:28 <Ubit> possible..  shouldn't..  but its possible
2015-12-07 18:28 <Ubit> like a runtime thing
2015-12-07 18:29 <Ubit> hmm i used to know how to check dll dependencies 
2015-12-07 18:31 <Rodger> im going to install vs
2015-12-07 18:31 <Ubit> [DllImport("kernel32.dll")]
2015-12-07 18:31 <Ubit> guess you do have this :)
2015-12-07 18:37 <nebadon> Plugh, unlikely
2015-12-07 18:37 <nebadon> maybe though
2015-12-07 18:37 <Rodger> MSVCP90
2015-12-07 18:37 <Rodger> MSVCR90
2015-12-07 18:37 <Rodger> GPSVC
2015-12-07 18:37 <Rodger> IESHIMS
2015-12-07 18:37 <Rodger> looks like is needed but missing
2015-12-07 18:38 <Plugh> nebadon: ok, np. I just had someone ask me about the meeting notes from that day. They aren't in the os wiki.
2015-12-07 18:39 <Plugh> I don't remember who it was at the meeting that has been posting them.
2015-12-07 18:39 <nebadon> Sheera Khan
2015-12-07 18:40 <Plugh> ok. We can find out at tomorrows meeting.
2015-12-07 18:42 <nebadon> I do have it
2015-12-07 18:42 <nebadon> give me a few i can post what i have
2015-12-07 18:43 <nebadon> we did load test
2015-12-07 18:43 <nebadon> probably why it never got done
2015-12-07 18:46 <nebadon> its up Plugh
2015-12-07 18:53 <Plugh> ok, ty
2015-12-07 19:03 <Plugh> diva: FYI, I just used the 64-bit version of OnLook that I built the other day. Trying to log in to a grid I usually use gave me an error box saying -> ERROR: remove_server: 
2015-12-07 19:03 <Plugh> ASSERT(false)
2015-12-07 19:03 <Plugh> file:llcommon/aisyncclient.cpp line:408
2015-12-07 19:04 <Plugh> I was able to continue the login process by not going in to the error loop.
2015-12-07 19:16 <nebadon> have you tried my version Plugh?
2015-12-07 19:16 <nebadon> I didnt get any errors when running it
2015-12-07 19:17 <Plugh> I didn't get that error the second time I logged in to the same place in the same grid.
2015-12-07 19:17 <nebadon> maybe fluke
2015-12-07 19:17 <Plugh> Nope. Just got it again.
2015-12-07 19:18 <nebadon> try my tar.gz
2015-12-07 19:18 <nebadon> maybe you were missing a library when built it?
2015-12-07 19:18 <nebadon> i noticed initially it built without error even when i was missing certain packages that the wiki said needed
2015-12-07 19:18 <Plugh> It should have told me that if I was. It built without complaint after I got rid of the zconf.h file.
2015-12-07 19:18 <nebadon> i only noticed when i was looking for the 32 bit packages
2015-12-07 19:19 <nebadon> that i didnt have the 64 bit one either
2015-12-07 19:19 <nebadon> i never got the zcong.h thing either
2015-12-07 19:19 <nebadon> package versions seem to make a huge difference
2015-12-07 19:21 <nebadon> its so much nicer to be able to have a virtual machine build environment
2015-12-07 19:21 <nebadon> that i can keep static
2015-12-07 19:21 <Rodger> ok ode requires c++ 2008 redistrubitles x64
2015-12-07 19:21 <Rodger> now it workes
2015-12-07 19:21 <Ubit> yeap seen that also
2015-12-07 19:21 <nebadon> that probably comes with .net 3.5.1
2015-12-07 19:21 <nebadon> i bet
2015-12-07 19:22 <Plugh> nebadon: Logged in without error first time using your 64-bit build. Got same error second time I logged in.
2015-12-07 19:22 <nebadon> wierd
2015-12-07 19:22 <nebadon> im booted into windows at the moment
2015-12-07 19:22 <nebadon> but im pretty sure i logged in a few times when i was testing
2015-12-07 19:22 <Plugh> Same error message.
2015-12-07 19:23 <nebadon> definitely switched between 32 and 64 bit
2015-12-07 19:29 <Plugh> I'm about to try the 32-bit version
2015-12-07 19:31 <Plugh> oh. I can't run the 32-bit version. I don't have the 32-bit libraries. :)
2015-12-07 19:31 <Plugh> Couldn't find libpng16.so.16
2015-12-07 19:32 <Plugh> nebadon: hm... interesting that is says libpng16 as I only have libpng12 installed and your 64-bit version starts ok.
2015-12-07 19:41 <nebadon> well at least it runs
2015-12-07 19:58 <Plugh> yes. It is just a minor occasional annoyance during login.
2015-12-07 19:59 <Plugh> Happens shortly before connecting to region, iirc.
2015-12-07 20:14 <Plugh> nebadon: I just got that error logging in to osgrid with OnLook.
2015-12-07 20:14 <Plugh> bbl. I have to run an errand.
2015-12-07 20:18 <nebadon> ok very strange
2015-12-07 22:11 <Rodger> any way to make it so you can not see regions that are far away?
2015-12-07 22:12 <Rodger> in 0.9.0 i can see regions 4 regions away
2015-12-07 22:12 <OtakuMegane> Like normal in-world view?
2015-12-07 22:15 <Rodger> yes i am standing on a region but can see regions up to 4 regions away
2015-12-07 22:15 <OtakuMegane> At rare, random times I've had the viewer seem to show a cached version of a region in the distance but normally it should be impossible. OS far as I know has never accessed beyond adjacent regions
2015-12-07 22:16 <OtakuMegane> Are they individual regions or could it be a var region?
2015-12-07 22:16 <Rodger> seperate regions
2015-12-07 22:17 <Rodger> but i can see var regions far aay too
2015-12-07 22:17 <OtakuMegane> Hmm, I have no idea. Second Life is designed to give land information for a long distance but Opensim shouldn't do that.
2015-12-07 22:18 <OtakuMegane> Huh...
2015-12-07 22:18 <Rodger> could it be a graphic driver issue?
2015-12-07 22:18 <OtakuMegane> Ok, think it just happened to me. XD
2015-12-07 22:18 <OtakuMegane> Some regions I was just in don't seem to be unloading
2015-12-07 22:19 <Rodger> do you use nvidia or amd apu?
2015-12-07 22:20 <Rodger> seems to only effect me on amd or nvida graphics on intell or latest nvidia drivers it does not happen
2015-12-07 22:21 <OtakuMegane> Nvidia. But I don't think this is a graphics thing. 
2015-12-07 22:21 <OtakuMegane> Moving the camera over all the content is there in the regions I've been to.
2015-12-07 22:23 <OtakuMegane> I can interact with it and everything.
2015-12-07 22:24 <diva> check child agents on the console
2015-12-07 22:25 <diva> they may not be getting killed
2015-12-07 22:25 <diva> show users full
2015-12-07 22:25 <OtakuMegane> That's what I was thinking. Moving away from regions in one instance is giving no messages
2015-12-07 22:27 <OtakuMegane> Yeah, there's several child agents for me in regions I'm well away from
2015-12-07 22:28 <Rodger> so this is a bug then?
2015-12-07 22:28 <diva> Ubit ^^
2015-12-07 22:28 <OtakuMegane> Yeah, it's a bug :)
2015-12-07 22:28 <diva> yes, it's a bug
2015-12-07 22:28 <Rodger> it is odd tho my desktop i see normal lol
2015-12-07 22:29 <OtakuMegane> Kind of neat though, seeing across several regions like when I was in SL
2015-12-07 22:30 <diva> you can do that if you want, if you own the sims. There's a config for that
2015-12-07 22:30 <Rodger> there is?
2015-12-07 22:30 <OtakuMegane> There is? 
2015-12-07 22:30 <diva> yep
2015-12-07 22:30 <Rodger> i personaly like it
2015-12-07 22:30 <diva> under the [Startup] section
2015-12-07 22:30 <OtakuMegane> First I heard of it all these years
2015-12-07 22:30 <diva> I don't remember the exact name, something with Distance on it
2015-12-07 22:31 <diva> I use it all the time
2015-12-07 22:31 <diva> The Encitra grid is configured to see over 3x768 regions
2015-12-07 22:31 <diva> in all directions
2015-12-07 22:32 <Rodger> sweet il do that on my regions
2015-12-07 22:35 <OtakuMegane> I'll be. DefaultDrawDistance
2015-12-07 22:35 <diva> yes
2015-12-07 22:35 <OtakuMegane> Most of my stuff is on OSGrid so I don't end up looking in the Defaults ini much. Probably should do that more often
2015-12-07 22:36 <diva> there's all sorts of stuff in the configs.... :D
2015-12-07 22:37 <OtakuMegane> Have been learning that. I know I found several settings for the IRCBridge not documented outside the code at all when I was helping fix it.
2015-12-07 22:39 <OtakuMegane> Bunch of interesting things here
2015-12-07 23:12 <Plugh> Rodger: What have you set as your draw distance in your viewer? Perhaps you need to reduce it?
2015-12-07 23:27 <Plugh> If a region gets relocated the map tile shown at the old location seems to get left behind. Is that due to a region not being properly shutdown before it was moved? How do you get the map to stop showing outdated map tiles for regions no longer there?
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2015-12-07 23:44 <Rodger> no my draw is at 512
2015-12-07 23:45 <Rodger> and when i tp to a region i become child agent in all the regions that are 4 regions away or less
2015-12-07 23:51 <Wanderer_42> Before 0.8.2.dev.83e58eb I saw this bug. Since 0.8.2.dev.83e58eb it was ok. So that problem reappear with 0.9 it seems
2015-12-07 23:52 <Wanderer_42> Sorry, the first version was: 0.8.1.dev.8b13e4e
2015-12-08 00:13 <Melanie_T> Plugh: The Maptile service still has the image. It needs to be deleted there and the affected composite needs to be regenrated
2015-12-08 00:14 <Melanie_T> i know I did this for AVN code but not sure if it works
2015-12-08 00:19 <Plugh> Its a disk cache for the maptiles, IIRC?
2015-12-08 00:21 <Plugh> yup. 
2015-12-08 00:21 <Plugh> Hm...
2015-12-08 00:22 <Plugh> Map tiles are generated every day so I just need a cron job to delete any maptiles that haven't been updated in a given period of ime
2015-12-08 00:22 <Plugh> time
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2015-12-08 00:37 <Melanie_T> it doesn't work that way
2015-12-08 00:38 <Melanie_T> whenever a maptile is sent to the server, it's also aggregated in several different scaled representation
2015-12-08 00:38 <Melanie_T> representing various zoom levels
2015-12-08 00:38 <Melanie_T> whenever a tile is removed, these zoom levels need to be regenerated
2015-12-08 00:38 <Melanie_T> simply deleting a file will not do what you want
2015-12-08 00:40 <Melanie_T> as it will either not remove the sim in all zoom levels or even break the map zoom levels, making other sims vanish
2015-12-08 00:41 <diva> Melanie: is 0.8.2 ok now? Can I package a release?
2015-12-08 00:42 <Melanie_T> you'd have to ask ubit to be sure
2015-12-08 00:42 <Melanie_T> it should be
2015-12-08 00:42 <Melanie_T> but i can't authoritatvely say
2015-12-08 00:43 <Plugh> Melanie_T: That brings me back to my original question, how do you get rid of old map tiles?
2015-12-08 00:44 <Melanie_T> by checking if the avination code does it properly
2015-12-08 00:44 <Plugh> I haven't found a command to clear the maptile service of old tiles
2015-12-08 00:44 <Melanie_T> because i did add code for that
2015-12-08 00:44 <Plugh> ok.
2015-12-08 00:44 <Melanie_T> just never tested it in depth
2015-12-08 00:44 <Melanie_T> there is no way to "clear old tiles"
2015-12-08 00:44 <Melanie_T> the service only knows of images
2015-12-08 00:44 <Melanie_T> it doesn't know old from curren
2015-12-08 00:45 <Melanie_T> tt
2015-12-08 00:45 <Plugh> We need a way to tell it what regions no longer exist and, by extension, which tiles are now obsolete.
2015-12-08 00:46 <Plugh> Are the alternate tile sizes cache in memory used by the map service?
2015-12-08 00:46 <Melanie_T> they're used by viewers
2015-12-08 00:46 <Melanie_T> you're going about this the wrong way
2015-12-08 00:46 <Melanie_T> it's not in the scope of the service
2015-12-08 00:46 <Plugh> So tell me what is the right way
2015-12-08 00:47 <Melanie_T> i added a delete maptile message to the interface
2015-12-08 00:47 <Melanie_T> your grid management system needs to call that when it removes a region
2015-12-08 00:47 <Melanie_T> it will cause it to remove that tile and regenerate the zoom levels
2015-12-08 00:48 <Plugh> Why would it regen zoom levels if a tile is removed? It can't just remove the tiles used for the different zoom levels of the region that was removed?
2015-12-08 00:48 <Melanie_T> it doesn't ork that way
2015-12-08 00:48 <Melanie_T> the zoom levels have up to 64 regions IN ONE IMAGE
2015-12-08 00:49 <Melanie_T> so the composite images need tobe regenerated without the region that has gone
2015-12-08 00:49 <Plugh> The zoom levels aren't images for a single region but for a larger number of regions?
2015-12-08 00:49 <Melanie_T> correct
2015-12-08 00:49 <Plugh> Should have said that earlier. :)
2015-12-08 00:50 <Plugh> ok
2015-12-08 00:50 <Melanie_T> thought that was common knowledge
2015-12-08 00:51 <Plugh> common to those of you who regularly delve in to the innards of the code. I could see things changing on the map as I zoomed in and out but I didn't know the specifics of how that is handled by either grid or viewer.
2015-12-08 00:52 <Plugh> Now I have a little bit better understanding of maptile handling.
2015-12-08 00:53 <Plugh> MapImage service is part of Robust?
2015-12-08 00:53 <Melanie_T> the important part is that the maptiles are requested by the viewer
2015-12-08 00:53 <Melanie_T> Yes
2015-12-08 00:53 <Melanie_T> in Avination, this works differently
2015-12-08 00:54 <Melanie_T> in Avination, the maptileservice is private and protected by a firewall
2015-12-08 00:54 <Plugh> I suppose it wouldn't help if I removed old map tiles from disk and restarted Robust to make it regen things without old tiles?
2015-12-08 00:54 <Melanie_T> viewers load maptiles from an apache server
2015-12-08 00:54 <Plugh> Sounds a better way of doing it.
2015-12-08 00:54 <Melanie_T> that way we don't leave open a hole where outside interests could inject, say, adverts into our map
2015-12-08 00:55 <Melanie_T> you're still on the wrong tack
2015-12-08 00:55 <Melanie_T> the server can't regenerate a thing
2015-12-08 00:55 <Melanie_T> restarting it is just like restarting a web server
2015-12-08 00:56 <Melanie_T> you need to maintain the map as you go
2015-12-08 00:56 <Plugh> I keep asking you how to do this and all you keep saying is I'm going about it the wrong way,.
2015-12-08 00:56 <Melanie_T> to get it to a known state, you have only one option
2015-12-08 00:56 <Melanie_T> delete ALL tiles and zoom levels
2015-12-08 00:56 <Melanie_T> then restart ALL regions
2015-12-08 00:56 <Melanie_T> and from there on in, notify the service using the interface that exists for that purpose when you take a region offline
2015-12-08 00:57 <Melanie_T> if your management system can't do that, it will need to be extended to do it
2015-12-08 00:57 <Melanie_T> or you will have to do such a full restart whenever you remove a sim
2015-12-08 00:59 <Melanie_T> i may have a maptile compositor written in pp somewhere
2015-12-08 00:59 <Melanie_T> php*
2015-12-08 00:59 <Melanie_T> if you want to roll your own "refresh service"
2015-12-08 01:01 <Melanie_T> in fact I know I do. my website land store uses it
2015-12-08 01:52 <linkedinyou> opensim work with visual studio 2015 professional any one had any idea please?
2015-12-08 02:06 <Rodger> ok so it seames even with bulletsim i am still having issues, tp to one region makes me a child agent in all the ones in 4 region range this is causing my viewer to download assets for everything on thoes regions
2015-12-08 02:07 <Rodger> this is a bad bug as its made performance next to zero 
2015-12-08 02:07 <Melanie_T> how do you relate bulletsim to view distance?
2015-12-08 02:08 <Melanie_T> if you have set up a large multi-region view distance, then you WILL get all the assets
2015-12-08 02:08 <Melanie_T> but that isn't related to bulletsim
2015-12-08 02:08 <Rodger> ok so what effects draw?
2015-12-08 02:08 <Melanie_T> it's related to the fact that opensim doesn't have interest list management, e.g. it ignores the info sent by the viewer that says "I need to see in this direction and that far"
2015-12-08 02:08 <Melanie_T> and sends everything anyway
2015-12-08 02:09 <Rodger> i have never seen this in the past
2015-12-08 02:09 <Melanie_T> the viewer sends a camera position and rotation as well as the AgentWidthHeight packet
2015-12-08 02:10 <Melanie_T> from that, the server could calculate the s-called "frustum" which is a rectangluar "cone" shape of things in the field of view
2015-12-08 02:10 <Melanie_T> in addition bounded by the draw distance
2015-12-08 02:10 <Rodger> ok but in 8.1 i could not see 4 regions out so is there something i can change in the code to prevent this?
2015-12-08 02:10 <Melanie_T> opensim ignores all that and always has
2015-12-08 02:10 <Melanie_T> how many regions you can see is settable in the .ini
2015-12-08 02:10 <Melanie_T> you can set it back to have a max draw of 256
2015-12-08 02:10 <Rodger> i have it set at default 255
2015-12-08 02:10 <Melanie_T> maybe mistyped, or not uncommented?
2015-12-08 02:11 <Melanie_T> else someone else who knows more about this would have to speak up
2015-12-08 02:11 <Rodger> checking
2015-12-08 02:11 <Melanie_T> i haven't dealt with the child agent stuff on the code level
2015-12-08 02:12 <Rodger>  DefaultDrawDistance = 255.0
2015-12-08 02:12 <Rodger> its uncommented
2015-12-08 02:13 <Melanie_T> then maybe something changed, or broke
2015-12-08 02:13 <Melanie_T> as I said, i never worked on that code so i'm not up on it
2015-12-08 02:14 <OtakuMegane> Right now there's a bug with child agents not being removed, we came across that earlier.
2015-12-08 02:16 <OtakuMegane> All the regions you've been in remain visible. Not sure how long it lasts, maybe until logout.
2015-12-08 02:17 <Melanie_T> does it affect 0.8.2 or only master?
2015-12-08 02:17 <OtakuMegane> Didn't see it affect performance though when I was flying around testing it.
2015-12-08 02:18 <OtakuMegane> Just master far as I know. Nobody has reported such a thing until earlier today and then only because Rodger noticed it.
2015-12-08 02:18 <Melanie_T> thank god
2015-12-08 02:18 <Melanie_T> i'd hate to have such a severely broken release out there
2015-12-08 02:19 <OtakuMegane> I'm not sure about the performance issue, though. I didn't notice anything different but my system may simply handle the load better.
2015-12-08 02:20 <OtakuMegane> The viewer's view distance is still respected, the only thing that renders is land/water like in SL
2015-12-08 02:20 <Melanie_T> the issue is that all these sims still send all objects
2015-12-08 02:21 <Melanie_T> the viewer doesn't show them but it gets loaded down with the data
2015-12-08 02:22 <OtakuMegane> I guess my system has to be pushed further. Might as well test it...
2015-12-08 02:25 <Rodger> http://imagebin.ca/v/2PC26LuNBEMi
2015-12-08 02:26 <Rodger> this is what i see
2015-12-08 02:26 <Rodger> there farther than the seem
2015-12-08 02:26 <OtakuMegane> How high is the view distance in your viewer?
2015-12-08 02:26 <Rodger> 128
2015-12-08 02:27 <Rodger> i get all the assets 
2015-12-08 02:27 <Rodger> lol
2015-12-08 02:27 <Rodger> ohh and i can click scripts if i cam over 
2015-12-08 02:28 <OtakuMegane> Hmm. Cause while the assets are still loaded for me (I think) they don't render outside the viewer limit. Only land and water render in the distance
2015-12-08 02:30 <OtakuMegane> If I cam in they pop up again
2015-12-08 02:31 <Rodger> it looks like i can clik but to far away to realy tell
2015-12-08 02:31 <Rodger> but as you can see i render far outside the limit
2015-12-08 02:35 <OtakuMegane> Been trying to get a lot of regions loaded at once but keep running into ones not on master :P
2015-12-08 02:39 <OtakuMegane> Ok, found a busy area, looks like I'm getting stuff outside render distance after all. 
2015-12-08 02:40 <Melanie_T> i know you do
2015-12-08 02:40 <Melanie_T> that is a code part i know
2015-12-08 02:40 <Melanie_T> there is absolutely no interest list management in opensim
2015-12-08 02:40 <Melanie_T> whenever you connect to a sim you get everything that is there
2015-12-08 02:42 <OtakuMegane> Yeah. Anyway, definitely something broken here. Nothing noticeable on performance yet, though other than memory usage ticking upwards as I go around to more places.
2015-12-08 02:45 <OtakuMegane> That seems to have stopped now. *shrug*
2015-12-08 02:46 <Melanie_T> once you have the stuff, you have the stuff
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2015-12-08 18:48 <Plugh> This is an odd message -> [REMOTE SIMULATION CONNECTOR]: Remote simulator Virtual Highway Welcome did not accept compressed transfer, suggest updating it.
2015-12-08 18:48 <Plugh> All regions in a test grid are using the same set of binaries so there is nothing to update.
2015-12-08 19:31 <nebadon> Plugh maybe check your ini files
2015-12-08 19:31 <nebadon> for protcol version mismatch
2015-12-08 19:31 <nebadon> usually in the static inis
2015-12-08 19:31 <nebadon> like Grid.ini
2015-12-08 19:32 <nebadon> GridHypergrid.ini
2015-12-08 19:32 <nebadon> its easy to do when you have ini files outside of bin
2015-12-08 19:32 <nebadon> forget to update those static ones
2015-12-08 20:11 <Plugh> nebadon: ini files are generated by a management program. They are supposed to be the same. I will compare them to be sure.
2015-12-08 22:02 <Plugh> I didn't notice anything about compressed transfers in the ini file.
2015-12-08 22:05 <nebadon> ya it wont be
2015-12-08 22:05 <nebadon> I beleive it has to do with protocol versioning
2015-12-08 22:05 <nebadon> so if your inis are 100% updated and all the software matches
2015-12-08 22:05 <nebadon> that is very odd to get that message
2015-12-08 22:06 <Plugh> The instances are running code from the same bin directory.
2015-12-08 22:06 <nebadon> that should not matter
2015-12-08 22:06 <Plugh> It does eliminate code versioning.
2015-12-08 22:06 <nebadon> no this would be defined as a variable in the ini I think
2015-12-08 22:08 <nebadon> ConnectorProtocolVersion
2015-12-08 22:08 <nebadon> maybe
2015-12-08 22:08 <nebadon> in Grid.ini
2015-12-08 22:08 <nebadon> or GridHypergrid.ini
2015-12-08 22:09 <Plugh> ini files are identical other than port addresses. The ini settings are stored in a database and generated for each instance.
2015-12-08 22:09 <Plugh> and the name of the dir conaining the region ini file
2015-12-08 22:15 <Plugh> hm...
2015-12-08 22:16 <Plugh> What should the setting be for ConnectorProtocolVersion in 0.8.2-post-fixes?
2015-12-08 22:16 <Plugh> I currently have all instances set to "SIMULATION/0.3". Does it need to be 0.4?
2015-12-08 22:16 <Plugh> or "0.2"?
2015-12-08 22:20 <Plugh> The problem occurs in CreateAgent().
2015-12-08 22:24 <Ubit> whats the issue with regions view range?
2015-12-08 22:27 <Plugh> From what I understand of what was discussed is you can see further than what the settings say should be the limit.
2015-12-08 22:28 <Ubit> and what setting is that ?
2015-12-08 22:30 <Plugh> I'd have to scroll back to the discussions Rodger was having earlier to see the specifics.
2015-12-08 22:31 <Plugh> iirc, viewer draw distance was 128m and he was seeing as afar away as four regions.
2015-12-08 22:31 <Plugh> make that he had draw distance at 512
2015-12-08 22:31 <OtakuMegane> Ubit: It's basically that child agents are not being removed or it's happening very slowly. So as you visit more and more regions they stay 'loaded'
2015-12-08 22:31 <Ubit> max is internally limited to 512m
2015-12-08 22:32 <Ubit> still counted from current region edge
2015-12-08 22:32 <Plugh> (05:15:18 PM) Rodger: yes i am standing on a region but can see regions up to 4 regions away
2015-12-08 22:32 <Plugh> He said that is what he experiences in 0.9.0
2015-12-08 22:33 <Ubit> well i tested that recently, and was tested also on openvue and seems working
2015-12-08 22:33 <OtakuMegane> Yeah, I got the same, but only for regions I had already visited.
2015-12-08 22:33 <Plugh> Otaku and diva said it is a bug.
2015-12-08 22:33 <OtakuMegane> And for me it mostly behaved the way it does in SL: You see the terrain and water but nothing else renders beyond view distance.
2015-12-08 22:34 <Ubit> viewers don't hide terrain
2015-12-08 22:34 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-12-08 22:34 <OtakuMegane> It sounded like Rodger may have run into an additional bug or something but I never managed to replicate it if he did.
2015-12-08 22:35 <Ubit> thats a issue with large regions
2015-12-08 22:35 <Plugh> It isn't something I've notice but I may have been focusing on other issues.
2015-12-08 22:35 <Ubit> if we don't send terrain, viewers disply ugly things
2015-12-08 22:35 <Ubit> ( a blinking blue plan where it expects terrain )
2015-12-08 22:36 <Ubit> so what do you see OtakuMegane ?
2015-12-08 22:38 <OtakuMegane> Well, when logging in at first or in a region that's on older release, exactly what should be seen. The current region and the adjacent neighboring ones (unless the owner upped the server-side range, which wasn't the case)
2015-12-08 22:38 <OtakuMegane> However if I started teleporting or flying around to other regions, they never unloaded in the viewer. Checking the console, the child agents remained as well.
2015-12-08 22:38 <Ubit> on 0.9 you should see  up to 2 regions away, acording to view range
2015-12-08 22:39 <nebadon> sorry Plugh my computer crashed
2015-12-08 22:39 <nebadon> was just starting everything up again heh
2015-12-08 22:39 <Ubit> ( ie total 5 regions across in minimap )
2015-12-08 22:39 <OtakuMegane> Well, this wasn't that mechanism
2015-12-08 22:40 <OtakuMegane> After one teleport I saw a region I had previously been in that was a half dozen away. Though since I hadn't visited the ones in between most of those were missing
2015-12-08 22:40 <Ubit> on tp the region we left takes a bit to disconnect
2015-12-08 22:40 <Ubit> but should disconnect
2015-12-08 22:41 <OtakuMegane> Except it never does, or takes a very long time (maybe till logout?)
2015-12-08 22:41 <OtakuMegane> Flying around normally or tp, the child agents just linger and pile up
2015-12-08 22:41 <nebadon> sounds like that region never let go of your child agent
2015-12-08 22:42 <OtakuMegane> Yeah, that's what diva said and the console confirmed it, was a bunch of lingering child agents
2015-12-08 22:42 <nebadon> if you teleport from 2 isolated islands that are 3-4 regions apart
2015-12-08 22:42 <nebadon> you will see both regions after ariving
2015-12-08 22:42 <nebadon> until the other region lets go
2015-12-08 22:42 <nebadon> usually like 10-30 seconds
2015-12-08 22:43 <Ubit> OtakuMegane  where are those regions ?
2015-12-08 22:43 <nebadon> though it really depends on the load conditions
2015-12-08 22:43 <OtakuMegane> Well from testing, I think anything running on 0.9.0
2015-12-08 22:45 <OtakuMegane> Random regions I crossed into reverted to normal behavior and I think they were on an older version.
2015-12-08 22:45 <Ubit> where can we both go see that ?
2015-12-08 22:46 <OtakuMegane> Well, now it's not doing it. o.O
2015-12-08 22:47 <Ubit> lol
2015-12-08 22:48 <Ubit> well as is,  we should see up to 512m  counting from current region edge
2015-12-08 22:48 <OtakuMegane> Huh. Yeah, console is releasing child agentsa normally. That's just screwy.
2015-12-08 22:48 <Ubit> so one or 2 standard size regions
2015-12-08 22:49 <Ubit> That's just screwy?
2015-12-08 22:49 <OtakuMegane> No, that it's not happening now. :P
2015-12-08 22:49 <Ubit> on tps, origin region takes longer...
2015-12-08 22:50 <OtakuMegane> Wonder if it was something else messing with stuff. I was testing it on OSGrid, dunno if Rodger was on there too or not.
2015-12-08 22:50 <Ubit> checking is done only on tps  or crossings..
2015-12-08 22:50 <Plugh> nebadon: np. I was looking at the code to see if it would provide any hints why I'm seeing that message but it isn't helping.
2015-12-08 22:51 <Ubit> currently at osgrid you should use a view range of at least 256m
2015-12-08 22:51 <Ubit> ( or on any grid with services < 0.9 and regions 0.9 )
2015-12-08 22:51 <OtakuMegane> Yeah
2015-12-08 22:52 <Ubit> ive my test set up at osg if you want to see
2015-12-08 22:53 <OtakuMegane> Well, can't manage to replicate what was happening last night so far.
2015-12-08 22:53 <Plugh> nebadon: hm... any idea if the connection for REMOTE SIMULATION CONNECTOR is TCP, UDP based, or if it needs both? Might be a firewall issue.
2015-12-08 22:53 <Ubit> strange
2015-12-08 22:54 <nebadon> hmm I am not sure Plugh
2015-12-08 22:54 <nebadon> seems unlikely its a firewall
2015-12-08 22:54 <nebadon> ports are fairly straight forward affair 
2015-12-08 22:54 <Ubit> well i did add proper DisableSimulator comands
2015-12-08 22:54 <nebadon> Regions.ini = UDP+TCP
2015-12-08 22:54 <nebadon> OpenSim.ini = TCP
2015-12-08 22:54 <Plugh> nebadon: I'm only allowing TCP to the port in question
2015-12-08 22:55 <Ubit> but that collide with other parts :(
2015-12-08 22:55 <OtakuMegane> If Rodger isn't seeing the problem either, guess it's one of those weird things to file away. May have been something else messing with stuff.
2015-12-08 22:56 <Plugh> nebadon: That's what I have. TCP/UDP for the ports listed in Regions.ini files and TCP only for the other ports other than 8002/8003.
2015-12-08 22:56 <Ubit> well i reviewed that a week or so ago with aiaustin
2015-12-08 22:56 <Ubit> and its code we do need to change 
2015-12-08 22:56 <Ubit> on large regions it needs  to be relative to avatar position, not  region edge
2015-12-08 22:57 <Ubit> a 2km region can have tons of neighbours  :)
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2015-12-08 22:58 <Plugh> nebadon: As a test I will allow UDP on the port and see if the message goes away.
2015-12-08 22:58 <nebadon> that would really surprise me
2015-12-08 22:58 <Ubit> hmm code depends on interregion comunications OtakuMegane
2015-12-08 22:59 <Plugh> nebadon: I don't know what else to check. I'll eliminate the firewall if nothing changes.
2015-12-08 23:00 <Ubit> a region tells others to close connections
2015-12-08 23:00 <nebadon> yea its worth trying
2015-12-08 23:00 <nebadon> im certain i dont have my regions configured that way though
2015-12-08 23:00 <Ubit> ( it should tell viewer.. but my try to do that failed for now :p )
2015-12-08 23:00 <nebadon> i always try to specify a different port for Regions.ini than OpenSim.ini
2015-12-08 23:00 <nebadon> like 9000-9001
2015-12-08 23:01 <nebadon> and configure firewall same as you specified
2015-12-08 23:01 <nebadon> could be mono
2015-12-08 23:01 <nebadon> or is this on Windows?
2015-12-08 23:03 <Plugh> nebadon: no change.
2015-12-08 23:04 <Plugh> nebadon: Linux with mono 3.2.8
2015-12-08 23:05 <Plugh> Service URI is using a port in the 10,000 region.
2015-12-08 23:05 <nebadon> ok that should be good also
2015-12-08 23:05 <Ubit> linkedinyou in using vs2015 on opensim now
2015-12-08 23:05 <nebadon> i had a terrible time using port 10000
2015-12-08 23:05 <Plugh> nebadon: I'm seeing another odd message.
2015-12-08 23:05 <nebadon> im pretty sure that port is haunted
2015-12-08 23:06 <Plugh> 10201 is what I'm actually using.
2015-12-08 23:06 <nebadon> ya it was only ever 10000 for me that was problematic
2015-12-08 23:06 <Plugh> I'm also seeing another odd error in the log.
2015-12-08 23:06 <Plugh> 2015-12-08 18:02:52,890 DEBUG (STP:Util:11) - OpenSim.Framework.WebUtil [LOGHTTP]: JSON-RPC request 1098 POST to http://142.4.219.140:10203/agent/c5eeb842-1f9e-48e9-86dd-08c5c59d6bc2/ FAILED: libMonoPosixHelper.so
2015-12-08 23:06 <Plugh> 2015-12-08 18:02:52,890 DEBUG (STP:Util:11) - OpenSim.Framework.WebUtil [LOGHTTP]: JSON-RPC request 1099 POST to http://142.4.219.140:10203/agent/c5eeb842-1f9e-48e9-86dd-08c5c59d6bc2/ FAILED: Error: ConnectFailure (Connection refused)
2015-12-08 23:07 <nebadon> you have mono-complete?
2015-12-08 23:07 <OtakuMegane> That looks familiar...
2015-12-08 23:07 <Ubit> ( what are this two breaking? )
2015-12-08 23:07 <Ubit> :)
2015-12-08 23:07 <Plugh> That is right after it tells me it is informing the avatar logging in about a neighbouring region
2015-12-08 23:07 <OtakuMegane> lol
2015-12-08 23:08 <Plugh> Ubit, I'm not breaking anything. Something appears to already be broken. I'm trying to determine what. :)
2015-12-08 23:08 <Plugh> nebadon: mono built from source.
2015-12-08 23:08 <OtakuMegane> I've had libMonoPosixHelper errors in the past from time to time. I forget what was the cause but something was screwy with my mono install at the time.
2015-12-08 23:09 <OtakuMegane> Unlinked library or different versions laying around, something of that sort
2015-12-08 23:09 <Rodger> plugh seems that port is closed not filtered or dropped
2015-12-08 23:10 <Plugh> Rodger which port where?
2015-12-08 23:10 <Rodger> 10203
2015-12-08 23:10 <Ubit> (ahh rodger...  what is the issue with regions view range ? )
2015-12-08 23:10 <Plugh> Rodger, yes it should be. Its behind a firewall.
2015-12-08 23:10 <Rodger> ok that seems to go away if you update viewer and graphics drivers
2015-12-08 23:10 <OtakuMegane> Oh yeah. Rodger, are you still seeing that issue from last night? I can't replicate it any more.
2015-12-08 23:11 <Rodger> still see regins far away but only on some computers not all
2015-12-08 23:11 <Ubit> hmm ??
2015-12-08 23:11 <Rodger> that was my issue last night
2015-12-08 23:11 <Ubit> computer dependent ? 
2015-12-08 23:11 <Ubit> that is odd
2015-12-08 23:11 <Rodger> but its only on some computers
2015-12-08 23:12 <Rodger> or its intermitent
2015-12-08 23:12 <Ubit> strange
2015-12-08 23:12 <OtakuMegane> Yeah, it sounded like he had a second problem past the one I found server-side. Things are normal for me now.
2015-12-08 23:12 <Rodger> bad server bad
2015-12-08 23:12 <Ubit> well as i said, i our code only tells regions to close connections
2015-12-08 23:13 <Ubit> it should also tell viewers..
2015-12-08 23:13 <Ubit> but my try to do that   failed for now :)
2015-12-08 23:13 <Rodger> I will say I love your new physics had so much fun today
2015-12-08 23:14 <Plugh> nebadon: I don't have any mono packages installed system wide. The two versions of mono I built and installed went to two different dirs under /opt. Shouldn't be any version conflicts.
2015-12-08 23:14 <Ubit> ( that because viewer gets that message  closes the connection, and the region assumes its a logout and pofff )
2015-12-08 23:14 <Ubit> ( ie need to change a lot of other code, before putting back the order for viewer to disconnect )
2015-12-08 23:15 <Plugh> nebadon: I'll ignore the errors for now. Doesn't seem to be hurting anything.
2015-12-08 23:15 <Ubit> ( bit should work.. )
2015-12-08 23:16 <Ubit> plugh what is broken ?
2015-12-08 23:18 <Plugh> I'm seeing two odd things -> [REMOTE SIMULATION CONNECTOR]: Remote simulator <region name> did not accept compressed transfer, suggest updating it.
2015-12-08 23:18 <Ubit> thats a old thing...
2015-12-08 23:18 <Plugh> That happens in 0.8.2-post-fixes.
2015-12-08 23:18 <Plugh> The other is OpenSim.Framework.WebUtil [LOGHTTP]: JSON-RPC request 1099 POST to http://142.4.219.140:10203/agent/c5eeb842-1f9e-48e9-86dd-08c5c59d6bc2/ FAILED: Error: ConnectFailure (Connection refused)
2015-12-08 23:19 <Plugh> which appears right after the message 2015-12-08 18:02:52,890 DEBUG (STP:Util:11) - OpenSim.Framework.WebUtil [LOGHTTP]: JSON-RPC request 1098 POST to http://142.4.219.140:10203/agent/c5eeb842-1f9e-48e9-86dd-08c5c59d6bc2/ FAILED: libMonoPosixHelper.so
2015-12-08 23:20 <Plugh> bbl. My dinner is ready.
2015-12-08 23:27 <Rodger> does anyone know how to increas the speed when turing with physics it seems very slow that and backing up "reverse"
2015-12-08 23:31 <nebadon> usually you do that in the script
2015-12-08 23:31 <nebadon> is it a car Rodger?
2015-12-08 23:31 <nebadon> if you visit hg.osgrid.org:80:Sisyphus
2015-12-08 23:31 <nebadon> you can grab several different car vehicles
2015-12-08 23:32 <nebadon> some are better than others
2015-12-08 23:32 <nebadon> the Orange McLaren is one I have been working on
2015-12-08 23:36 <Rodger> car or hoverboards
2015-12-08 23:48 <Ken_S> Rodger, you have to modify the vehicle script to change the speed or turning
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2015-12-08 23:51 <Ubit> hmm Ken_S i still have no clue about that rubber band :(
2015-12-08 23:52 <nebadon> Rodger I have 2 hoverboards at Sisyphus as well
2015-12-09 00:44 <Plugh> hm... Replex and CoolVL viewers must be based on older versions of viewer code. They mostly show (Waiting) when looking to see who is talking in voice chat.
2015-12-09 00:46 <nebadon> definitely
2015-12-09 01:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #4505 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-09 01:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4505: SUCCESS in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4505/
2015-12-09 01:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add some missing GC.RemoveMemoryPressure()
2015-12-09 04:32 <linkedinyou> Ubit: yeah i used visual studio 2015 (proffessional edition) seems same as 2013 .net framework 4.6 the same
2015-12-09 04:33 <linkedinyou> good morning .. good evning and good night for others lol
2015-12-09 04:48 <Dev_Random> linkedinyou:  I find "Howdy" works....
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2015-12-09 05:44 <linkedinyou> Dev_Random: works fine ... but JsonRPCMethod handler and UserProfilesHandlers killedmy whole week fixing them for LitJson trying to make it work with NewtonSoft.Json for RPC
2015-12-09 05:47 <linkedinyou> public UserProfilesConnector
2015-12-09 12:58 <osmantis> Bug #7531:04 V2 OfflineIM messages HG to HG don't get send to the user after logging in. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7531 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-09 13:00 <osmantis> Bug #7531:04 V2 OfflineIM messages HG to HG don't get send to the user after logging in. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7531 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-09 15:33 <osmantis> Bug #7531:04 V2 OfflineIM messages HG to HG don't get send to the user after logging in. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7531 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-09 15:33 <osmantis> Bug #7531:04 V2 OfflineIM messages HG to HG don't get send to the user after logging in. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7531 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006603.
2015-12-09 15:33 <osmantis> Bug #6603:04 Hypergrid Friends problems between my stand-alone and OSG grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6603 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007531.
2015-12-09 15:33 <osmantis> Bug #7531:04 V2 OfflineIM messages HG to HG don't get send to the user after logging in. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7531 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006769.
2015-12-09 15:33 <osmantis> Bug #6769:04 HG friends issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6769 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007531.
2015-12-09 15:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #4506 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-09 16:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4506: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4506/
2015-12-09 16:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix the queue type in use
2015-12-09 16:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #4507 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-09 16:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4507: SUCCESS in 4 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4507/
2015-12-09 16:11 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix the queue type in use
2015-12-09 16:11 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: tick region health a bit faster
2015-12-09 16:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #4508 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-09 16:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4508: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4508/
2015-12-09 16:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: coment out odd DoubleQueue class code
2015-12-09 16:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #4509 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-09 16:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4509: SUCCESS in 4 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4509/
2015-12-09 16:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor cleanup
2015-12-09 16:27 <diva> Ubit, is the fix in 0.8.2 ok now? Melanie told me to ask you
2015-12-09 16:36 <Ubit> i could only do minor testing on it Diva
2015-12-09 16:38 <Ubit> i mean including physics wearable type
2015-12-09 16:38 <Ubit> diva you also noticed issued with regions view range ?
2015-12-09 16:39 <Ubit> ...issues..
2015-12-09 16:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #4510 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-09 17:00 <diva> ubit I haven't tried 0.9 dev yet
2015-12-09 17:00 <Ubit> ok...  those reports here, didn't repo even by authors
2015-12-09 17:00 <diva> I think the reports of child agents not going away are only for master
2015-12-09 17:01 <diva> do you think you have time to test 0.8.2
2015-12-09 17:02 <Ubit> you mean the full  postfix something with physics wearable?  i did test the basic teleports etc
2015-12-09 17:02 <diva> just to make sure that sims don't crash
2015-12-09 17:02 <diva> so, whatever the fix was meant to fix
2015-12-09 17:03 <Ubit> think they don't,  actually  they didn't already, just the tps failed
2015-12-09 17:03 <diva> ok, so is this good to package?
2015-12-09 17:04 <Ubit> on that i did 2 comits, one adding the protection so tps don't fail ( number of wearables is clamped to max region knows )
2015-12-09 17:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4510: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4510/
2015-12-09 17:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor cleanup
2015-12-09 17:04 <Ubit> on second comit i added suport for  the extra wearable type
2015-12-09 17:04 <Ubit> since mel wants that version to suport it
2015-12-09 17:05 <diva> I take that as a yes
2015-12-09 17:05 <Ubit> :)
2015-12-09 17:19 <Plugh> What does the flag RegionsOnline mean in the "show regions" output from Robust?
2015-12-09 17:19 <Plugh> "RegionOnline" flag
2015-12-09 17:20 <Ubit> guess should mean that ?
2015-12-09 17:20 <Plugh> I have no regions online. Just Robust is up.
2015-12-09 17:20 <Ubit> and it says true ?
2015-12-09 17:21 <Plugh> It reports RegionOnline under the Flags column for all regions.
2015-12-09 17:21 <Plugh> btw, this is 0.8.2-post-fixes
2015-12-09 17:21 <Ubit> grid should have a ideia of regions online/off 
2015-12-09 17:22 <Plugh> I thought I needed to restart Robust as the regions had crashed earlier. Restarting Robust still reports RegionOnline under Flags.
2015-12-09 17:22 <Ubit> guess thats it
2015-12-09 17:22 <Ubit> but it fails if regions don't logoff correctly
2015-12-09 17:22 <Melanie_T> most people in osgrid kill -9 their regions
2015-12-09 17:22 <Melanie_T> so they don't lose their map space
2015-12-09 17:24 <Plugh> This is in a test grid. Not sure what caused the crashes but its left Robust thinking they are still online. Is the online status being stored in the database?
2015-12-09 17:24 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-12-09 17:24 <Plugh> ok.
2015-12-09 17:27 <Plugh> 
ACTION kicks phpMyAdmin

2015-12-09 17:27 <Plugh> darn thing is stuck on "Loading..." trying to show me contents of a table.
2015-12-09 17:27 <Plugh> oh, finally.
2015-12-09 17:30 <Plugh> Hm... interesting. I cleared the flag from the DB and "show regions" reflected the change. It must be querying the DB everytime that command is used.
2015-12-09 17:31 <Plugh> I was thinking it would have cached the info and it would have needed a restart of Robust before it would re-read the status from the DB.
2015-12-09 21:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #4511 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-09 21:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4511: SUCCESS in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4511/
2015-12-09 21:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: don't keep a reference to config, if not in use
2015-12-09 21:54 <Rodger> ping diva
2015-12-09 21:55 <Rodger> the registration page on diva is all black no boxes texts images or anyhing to register with
2015-12-09 22:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #4512 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-09 22:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4512: SUCCESS in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4512/
2015-12-09 22:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: disable useless and totally wrong incoming Pools
2015-12-09 22:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #4513 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-09 22:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4513: SUCCESS in 4 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4513/
2015-12-09 22:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: dont try to process packets for deleted clients
2015-12-09 23:39 <Rodger> How do I get vivox working on 9.0 im getting error http://pastebin.com/kBENSnsB
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2015-12-10 02:13 <Plugh> Rodger: Have you double checked you entered the right info for the vivox admin user and password?
2015-12-10 02:14 <Plugh> Also check that you are using the right settings for vivox_server and vivox_sip_uri.
2015-12-10 02:40 <Rodger> it is the same info i used before the upgrade
2015-12-10 02:47 <Plugh> oh
2015-12-10 09:54 <AiAustin> Just wondering if anyone is online who knows about the way in which openSim is using [GRID SERVICE]: GetRegionByPosition ?
2015-12-10 09:57 <AiAustin> I am moving between a very simple one region grid (5500,5500) and the AiLand grid which has about 10 regions clustered around (6400,6400). When I go to AiLand it seems to try GetRegionByPosition. Did not find region in database. Pos=<26730,0> and on a second attempt frome xactly the same single region and X,Y,Z point it used a different number Pos=<18470,0> 
2015-12-10 09:59 <AiAustin> But coming back to the single region home grid it attempts a lot of GetRegionByPosition. Did not find region in database. Pos=<6399,6399> for region X,Y positions all around the OTHER grid.. not relate to the home grid at all.  is this an issue worth reporting?
2015-12-10 10:07 <AiAustin> I will pop tyis note on the opensim-dev mailing list to see if its worth makign a mantis about this.
2015-12-10 11:27 <Ubit> AiAustin hi
2015-12-10 11:28 <Ubit> i know about that find regions
2015-12-10 11:28 <Ubit> oops
2015-12-10 11:51 <osmantis> Bug #7777:04 Uncaught exception for HTTP use in Scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7777 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-12-10 11:52 <osmantis> Bug #7777:04 Uncaught exception for HTTP use in Scripts when Internet not accessible gives very long error trace 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7777 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-12-10 13:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #4514 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-10 13:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4514: FAILURE in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4514/
2015-12-10 13:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove some SOG references on delete to help GC
2015-12-10 16:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #4515 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4513 18 hr ago)
2015-12-10 16:43 <Ubit> err too not two
2015-12-10 16:48 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-12-10 16:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4515: FIXED in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4515/
2015-12-10 16:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: keep SOG reference to root part since two many things depend on deleted SOGs not being deleted
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2015-12-11 01:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #4516 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2015-12-11 01:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4516: SUCCESS in 4 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4516/
2015-12-11 01:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix backup control flag, still a bad merge effect
2015-12-11 02:37 <osmantis> Bug #7777:04 Uncaught exception for HTTP use in Scripts when Internet not accessible gives very long error trace 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7777 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-11 02:37 <osmantis> Bug #7777:04 Uncaught exception for HTTP use in Scripts when Internet not accessible gives very long error trace 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7777 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-12-11 03:29 <osmantis> Bug #7778:04 Default in code and in OpenSimDefaults.ini for MinTimerInterval seems way too long. It is set to to .5 but should be .05 to .08! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7778 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-12-11 03:31 <osmantis> Bug #7778:04 Default in code and in OpenSimDefaults.ini for MinTimerInterval seems way too long. It is set to to .5 but should be .05 to .08! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7778 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-12-11 03:49 <osmantis> Bug #7778:04 Default in code and in OpenSimDefaults.ini for MinTimerInterval seems way too long. It is set to to .5 but should be .05 to .08! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7778 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-12-11 04:10 <osmantis> Bug #7778:04 Default in code and in OpenSimDefaults.ini for MinTimerInterval seems way too long. It is set to to .5 but should be .05 to .08! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7778 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-12-11 04:15 <osmantis> Bug #7778:04 Default in code and in OpenSimDefaults.ini for MinTimerInterval seems way too long. It is set to to .5 but should be much less! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7778 ): has been UPDATED.
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2015-12-11 15:58 <osmantis> Bug #7778:04 Default in code and in OpenSimDefaults.ini for MinTimerInterval seems way too long. It is set to to .5 but should be much less! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7778 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-11 17:11 <Rodger> OPensim 9.0 having issues with vivox module
2015-12-11 17:11 <Rodger> http://pastebin.com/kSgRh18f
2015-12-11 17:11 <Rodger> ssl errors
2015-12-11 17:13 <Melanie_T> the open source vivox module isn't written for use with a paid vivox service
2015-12-11 17:13 <Melanie_T> it's URL building mechanism assumed http
2015-12-11 17:23 <osmantis> Bug #7778:04 Default in code and in OpenSimDefaults.ini for MinTimerInterval seems way too long. It is set to to .5 but should be much less! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7778 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-11 17:25 <osmantis> Bug #7778:04 Default in code and in OpenSimDefaults.ini for MinTimerInterval seems way too long. It is set to to .5 but should be much less! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7778 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-11 18:27 <Plugh> I've just heard of something odd from someone trying out 0.8.2
2015-12-11 18:28 <Plugh> Server run Windows. An OAR was loaded under 0.8.0.3 and CPU load is about 1%. Same server, same Windows, same OAR, but running 0.8.1 or 0.8.2 and the CPU load is about 29%.
2015-12-11 18:29 <Plugh> Any thoughts about why there could be such a huge jump in CPU usage? Could a bad script loaded from the OAR suddenly cause such a big change?
2015-12-11 18:30 <Ubit> hard to tell
2015-12-11 18:34 <Plugh> The person is testing 0.8.2 before updating a grid. This amount of jump in CPU usage concerns them.
2015-12-11 18:34 <Ubit> and its a permanent load?
2015-12-11 18:34 <Rodger> Melanie_T i do not have https used in the vivox config
2015-12-11 18:35 <Melanie_T> ten you should not get SSL errors
2015-12-11 18:35 <osmantis> Bug #7778:04 Default in code and in OpenSimDefaults.ini for MinTimerInterval seems way too long. It is set to to .5 but should be much less! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7778 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-11 18:35 <Melanie_T> free viviox services use http while dedicated paid services use https
2015-12-11 18:36 <Rodger> yes but why is it trying to use ssl when i am using the exact config for free service
2015-12-11 18:36 <Melanie_T> it should not. do you have the error handy?
2015-12-11 18:38 <Rodger> i can get it
2015-12-11 18:38 <Ubit> http://pastebin.com/kSgRh18f ??
2015-12-11 18:39 <Rodger> yes
2015-12-11 18:39 <Rodger> got it
2015-12-11 18:40 <osmantis> Bug #7778:04 Default in code and in OpenSimDefaults.ini for MinTimerInterval seems way too long. It is set to to .5 but should be much less! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7778 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-11 18:41 <Plugh> Ubit, yes. Getting the issue narrowed down.
2015-12-11 18:41 <Plugh> There were a couple items in the region that used keyframe animation. Removing them dropped CPU usage from 27% to 1%
2015-12-11 18:42 <Melanie_T> keyframe should not be that expensive
2015-12-11 18:42 <Melanie_T> unless the keyframes are badly made
2015-12-11 18:42 <Ubit> or couple is a lot :)
2015-12-11 18:43 <Plugh> Right. Even if the item is badly made, why would that result in such a drastic change in CPU usage just from changing versions of OS?
2015-12-11 18:44 <Ubit> "just" ? changing version can be a lot more than just "just" :)
2015-12-11 18:44 <Melanie_T> especially if it's 0.8.2 to 0.9
2015-12-11 18:45 <Ubit> or from no llKeyframes suport to suport etc
2015-12-11 18:45 <Plugh> Melanie_T: Server running Windows. Change of OS is from 0.8.0.3 to 0.8.1 or 0.8.2 with same region contents.
2015-12-11 18:46 <Melanie_T> hmmm
2015-12-11 18:46 <Melanie_T> curiouser and curiouser
2015-12-11 18:46 <Melanie_T> 
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2015-12-11 18:47 <Plugh> I know. I don't know if it is just something bad in the region or if this is showing some issue in OS.
2015-12-11 18:47 <nebadon> 
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2015-12-11 18:47 <Plugh> 
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2015-12-11 18:47 <Plugh> How are things, nebadon? Recovered from the OSCC yet?
2015-12-11 18:47 <Ubit> 
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2015-12-11 18:47 <nebadon> yea getting there :)
2015-12-11 18:47 <Plugh> :)
2015-12-11 18:48 <Ubit> oucht  she fallen out my lap  using nails to reduce the fall
2015-12-11 18:48 <Plugh> I want to get away from the computer in a little while. The weather outside is incredible. Almost mid Dec. and its 12C out there.
2015-12-11 18:49 <Ubit> 12c is good? its 14.5 here
2015-12-11 18:50 <nebadon> http://goo.gl/bzg2YE
2015-12-11 18:50 <Plugh> 12C is good for December. That's about 54F
2015-12-11 18:50 <Plugh> hm... the user just pointed me to http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6696
2015-12-11 18:50 <Plugh> 
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2015-12-11 18:51 <Plugh> Not much there. Richardus reported that but that was after region has been running a while.
2015-12-11 18:53 <nebadon> if you can check the database
2015-12-11 18:53 <nebadon> for anything with acceleration variables that are not 0
2015-12-11 18:54 <nebadon> also check for insanely large numbers in X/Y/Z
2015-12-11 18:54 <nebadon> could be a vehicle at a bajillion meters
2015-12-11 18:55 <nebadon> if you think its physics related that is
2015-12-11 18:55 <Plugh> 
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2015-12-11 18:56 <nebadon> that is the only time ive really seen unexplained physics load
2015-12-11 18:56 <nebadon> lost physical objects
2015-12-11 18:57 <nebadon> I am sure i missed some of your conversation though
2015-12-11 18:57 <nebadon> this is related to keyframes?
2015-12-11 18:57 <Rodger> sorry melanie i meant to say yes i have the error but my computer restarted for updates
2015-12-11 18:57 <nebadon> ive not done anything with that
2015-12-11 18:57 <Plugh> nebadon: It might be. Double checking that.
2015-12-11 18:58 <Plugh> nebadon: Issue simpified is same server running Windows box with a var running with same OAR loaded in two version of OS. Under 0.8.0.3 CPU load is ~1%. Under 0.8.1 or 0.8.2 it is around 27% or more.
2015-12-11 18:58 <nebadon> ah
2015-12-11 18:59 <nebadon> both are running bulletsim using its own thread?
2015-12-11 18:59 <Plugh> Found two out of bounds items.
2015-12-11 19:02 <Plugh> nebadon: yes, but I'm getting the person to double check.
2015-12-11 19:03 <Plugh> I'd forgotten about that setting.
2015-12-11 19:03 <nebadon> ok cause you can see varying behavior depending on how threading is configured
2015-12-11 19:03 <nebadon> cpu would obviously be much higher with it running in main heartbeat thread
2015-12-11 19:03 <Plugh> It defaults to false. 
2015-12-11 19:03 <nebadon> yes
2015-12-11 19:04 <Plugh> When is it a good idea to change it to true?
2015-12-11 19:04 <nebadon> when you decide to use opensimulator seriously :)
2015-12-11 19:04 <Plugh> oh. :)
2015-12-11 19:04 <nebadon> the default settings are there to insure ease of entry
2015-12-11 19:04 <nebadon> not high performance
2015-12-11 19:04 <Plugh> 
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2015-12-11 19:07 <Plugh> There was an email recently about the "This Week In OpenSim Development" on the website. Is it still there for a reason or should it be removed as suggested in the email?
2015-12-11 19:09 <Plugh> nebadon: do you happen to know if a page is in the wiki somewhere with suggestions, or a list of settings on how to tweak the ini to improve performance?
2015-12-11 19:27 <Ubit> what hell
2015-12-11 19:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #4517 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-11 19:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4517: SUCCESS in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4517/
2015-12-11 19:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change vivox url from https:// to http://  (merge issue)
2015-12-11 19:39 <Melanie_T> Plugh: This week (or alternatively used: sevenday, hebdomand, etc) in OpenSim was a blog justincc did
2015-12-11 19:39 <Melanie_T> it's dead now
2015-12-11 19:39 <Melanie_T> hebdomad*
2015-12-11 19:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #4518 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-11 19:40 <Melanie_T> he doesn't post to it anymore and i don't know if the content is still online or achived somewhere
2015-12-11 19:40 <Plugh> Probably still on his website. I haven't looked in a whiel.
2015-12-11 19:42 <Plugh> If it isn't being updated not much point in leaving that section in the bottom of the right-most column.
2015-12-11 19:43 <Melanie_T> Ubit: when a mesh is uploaded, an asset of type mesh is created. but on examining a mesh I see the ScupltData field is also populated.
2015-12-11 19:43 <Melanie_T> i beieve sculptData should be empty on object assets
2015-12-11 19:44 <Melanie_T> we may be wasting oodles of space
2015-12-11 19:44 <Ubit> possible
2015-12-11 19:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4518: SUCCESS in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4518/
2015-12-11 19:44 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change vivox url from https:// to http:// missed several
2015-12-11 19:44 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change vivox url from https:// to http:// still another
2015-12-11 19:54 <Melanie_T> Ubit: that driver was somewhat ill conceived
2015-12-11 19:54 <Ubit> ?
2015-12-11 19:54 <Melanie_T> it may be better to not build some of these URLs
2015-12-11 19:54 <Melanie_T> but specify them
2015-12-11 19:54 <Melanie_T> or else, at least make the protocol a aprameter
2015-12-11 19:55 <Ubit> well i just reverted those urls to previus master
2015-12-11 19:55 <Melanie_T> i believe at the time it was written it wasn't known that paid vivix contrcts use https
2015-12-11 19:55 <Ubit> yeap i think it should be config also
2015-12-11 19:56 <Ubit> where do you see that mesh thing?
2015-12-11 19:58 <Ubit> i only see my comment :  // data will be requested from asset on rez (i hope)
2015-12-11 19:58 <Melanie_T> the issue is
2015-12-11 19:58 <Melanie_T> when you upload a mesh
2015-12-11 19:58 <Melanie_T> it sits in world
2015-12-11 19:58 <Melanie_T> SculptData gets populates
2015-12-11 19:58 <Melanie_T> if you then take it
2015-12-11 19:59 <Melanie_T> the serializer will serialize it
2015-12-11 19:59 <Ubit> i do not populat SculptData
2015-12-11 19:59 <Melanie_T> embedding a copy o the mesh in the SOP
2015-12-11 19:59 <Ubit>                             if (meshAssets.Count > meshindx)
2015-12-11 19:59 <Ubit>                             {
2015-12-11 19:59 <Ubit>                                 pbs.SculptEntry = true;
2015-12-11 19:59 <Ubit>                                 pbs.SculptType = (byte)SculptType.Mesh;
2015-12-11 19:59 <Ubit>                                 pbs.SculptTexture = meshAssets[meshindx]; // actual asset UUID after meshs suport introduction
2015-12-11 19:59 <Ubit>                                 hasmesh = true;
2015-12-11 19:59 <Ubit>                             }
2015-12-11 19:59 <Melanie_T> something does
2015-12-11 19:59 <Melanie_T> and it gets serialized
2015-12-11 19:59 <Melanie_T> i have assets with the field nonempty
2015-12-11 19:59 <Melanie_T> that prove it
2015-12-11 20:01 <Ubit> well i don't see it on mesh upload code
2015-12-11 20:06 <Ubit> odd.. mb that is being serialized while the object is in scene having it populated after rez ?
2015-12-11 20:14 <Ubit> AiAustin hi
2015-12-11 20:15 <Ubit> that region find msgs are a known issue ...
2015-12-11 20:15 <AiAustin> Hi, is Ubit online? I saw the commiot related to vivox http:// versus https:// but I believe that our Vivox channels are working fine as they were.  Would you expect it to work with an d without that change or fail before you changed to http://
2015-12-11 20:15 <Ubit> im here 
2015-12-11 20:16 <AiAustin> Hi there
2015-12-11 20:16 <Ubit> yeap some osg regions also fine
2015-12-11 20:16 <Ubit> but issues where reported and pre merge code used http
2015-12-11 20:16 <Ubit> guess we will make it a option
2015-12-11 20:17 <AiAustin> I would expect its a Vivox requirements, unless they offer both options? Do I need to do any tests Ubit?  What does the change mean.. could it actually stop setups that are already working fine from operating now?
2015-12-11 20:17 <nebadon> it seems they offer both
2015-12-11 20:18 <AiAustin> got it.  thata makes sense. thanks.  I was just worried that voice would break... as its very importnat to our applications in education
2015-12-11 20:18 <Ubit> plz test as soon as possible :)
2015-12-11 20:20 <Ubit> Rodger, can you test vivox now ?
2015-12-11 20:20 <Rodger> Ok i found that the NTL Money Module is messing with vivox anyone have the latest money module compiled for opensim 9.0?
2015-12-11 20:21 <AiAustin> I just tested the commit opensim-0.9.0-163-gb35d3a3 just before the change back to http:// and that works fine for our setup.. as it has done for quite a few years
2015-12-11 20:21 <Rodger> Did you just change vivox stuuf?
2015-12-11 20:21 <Ubit> AiAustin.. it was http  before the merge
2015-12-11 20:22 <Ubit> i did Rodger
2015-12-11 20:22 <AiAustin> okay, in that case for us it makes no differnce and we can use our allocated username/channels fine on either it seems.
2015-12-11 20:23 <Rodger> ubut can i get the url please
2015-12-11 20:23 <Ubit> url ?
2015-12-11 20:23 <Rodger> is it on github or opensimulator git
2015-12-11 20:23 <Ubit> git
2015-12-11 20:24 <Rodger> ok
2015-12-11 20:24 <AiAustin> Ubit made 3 commits related to Vivox... opensim-0.9.0-166-g5c39d97
2015-12-11 20:24 <AiAustin> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=shortlog&p=opensim
2015-12-11 20:24 <AiAustin> maybe our OpenSim.ini and other .ini files override all this anyway?
2015-12-11 20:24 <Ubit> well only count as one i missed a few https 
2015-12-11 20:25 <Ubit> http/https is hard coded AiAustin... guess we need make it a option
2015-12-11 20:25 <AiAustin> I seee that now having checked.  we just include     vivox_sip_uri = osp.vivox.com
2015-12-11 20:26 <AiAustin> all done now?  if so I will recompile one of our servers and check?  But would rather wiat of more are to come
2015-12-11 20:26 <Rodger> its the optional .dll file you need to replace
2015-12-11 20:26 <nebadon> its standard procedure for us to wait for you to update, then push 1 more additional patch...
2015-12-11 20:26 <Rodger> going to compile and test
2015-12-11 20:26 <nebadon> :P
2015-12-11 20:27 <AiAustin> :-)  I noticed Neb
2015-12-11 20:27 <Ubit> :)
2015-12-11 20:27 <AiAustin> I will be on another server by RDP.... so I will be mightly annoyed if when I get back another commit got pished!
2015-12-11 20:27 <AiAustin> pished :-) pushed I meant... 
2015-12-11 20:28 <Ubit> 
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2015-12-11 20:37 <AiAustin> Looks fine on test with opensim-0.9.0-166-g5c39d97
2015-12-11 20:37 <Rodger> ubit you are a god vivox connected
2015-12-11 20:37 <AiAustin> A small suggestion.... theer is a disgnositic line printed out like this...
2015-12-11 20:38 <AiAustin>   20:29:49 - [VivoxVoice]: using vivox server www.osp.vivox.com
2015-12-11 20:38 <AiAustin> suggest you ADD the http:// string on front or whatevre its set to in future conmfigs... so its checkable easily
2015-12-11 20:38 <Ubit> Ai for now the http is hardcoded :)
2015-12-11 20:39 <AiAustin> I notice it adds www. on front of the server name I hgave too?   I ghave vivox_sip_uri = osp.vivox.com
2015-12-11 20:39 <AiAustin> hardcode it in the diagnostic line too then?
2015-12-11 20:39 <AiAustin> why does www. get added is that also optional at Vivox Nerb?
2015-12-11 20:39 <AiAustin> *neb
2015-12-11 20:40 <Ubit> nopes no added www
2015-12-11 20:40 <AiAustin> then there is another issue as it reported it used  [VivoxVoice]: using vivox server www.osp.vivox.com  
2015-12-11 20:41 <AiAustin> yet my OpenSim.ini had vivox_sip_uri = osp.vivox.com
2015-12-11 20:41 <AiAustin> Maybe http:// https:// and with and without leading aaa. all work?
2015-12-11 20:41 <Ubit> server is vivox_server option not vivox_sip_uri
2015-12-11 20:42 <AiAustin> leading www. I meant
2015-12-11 20:42 <Ubit> vivox_server = www.foobar.vivox.com
2015-12-11 20:43 <AiAustin> got it.. and checkign I see the line in my OpenSim.ini for that
2015-12-11 20:43 <AiAustin>     vivox_server = www.osp.vivox.com
2015-12-11 20:43 <Ubit> on opensim defauls :)
2015-12-11 20:43 <Ubit> vivox_admin_user = DeepThroat
2015-12-11 20:43 <Ubit> LOL
2015-12-11 20:43 <AiAustin> all good.   Tna nks Ubit.  knocking off now.  have  a good weekend
2015-12-11 20:43 <AiAustin> Openvue is on 166.. I will update AiLand on Monday
2015-12-11 21:48 <osmantis> Bug #7778:04 Default in code and in OpenSimDefaults.ini for MinTimerInterval seems way too long. It is set to to .5 but should be much less! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7778 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-12-12 00:49 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-12 01:32 <osmantis> Bug #7779:04 llPushObject not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7779 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-12-12 08:21 <osmantis> Bug #7779:04 llPushObject not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-12 09:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #4519 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-12 09:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4519: SUCCESS in 9 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4519/
2015-12-12 09:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add IsEstateManager check to Permissions
2015-12-12 12:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #4520 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-12 12:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4520: SUCCESS in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4520/
2015-12-12 12:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix land access/ban list sending for new viewers
2015-12-12 14:08 <osmantis> Bug #7778:04 Default in code and in OpenSimDefaults.ini for MinTimerInterval seems way too long. It is set to to .5 but should be much less! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7778 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-12 14:25 <osmantis> Bug #7778:04 Default in code and in OpenSimDefaults.ini for MinTimerInterval seems way too long. It is set to to .5 but should be much less! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7778 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-12 14:26 <osmantis> Bug #7778:04 Default in code and in OpenSimDefaults.ini for MinTimerInterval seems way too long. It is set to to .5 but should be much less! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7778 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-12-12 15:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #4521 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-12 15:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4521: SUCCESS in 4 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4521/
2015-12-12 15:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make sure land access/ban lists are active when changed by new viewers
2015-12-12 17:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #4522 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-12 17:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4522: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4522/
2015-12-12 17:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: invalidate LandPoint on land subdivide
2015-12-12 17:53 <osmantis> Bug #7779:04 llPushObject not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-12 18:48 <osmantis> Bug #7779:04 llPushObject not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-12-12 19:59 <osmantis> Bug #7780:04 Undesirable effects of commit 819fe9 - land access is blocked on land subdivide 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7780 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-12-12 20:03 <osmantis> Bug #7780:04 Undesirable effects of commit 819fe9 - land access is blocked on land subdivide 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7780 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-12 20:20 <osmantis> Bug #7779:04 llPushObject not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-12 20:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #4523 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-12 20:32 <osmantis> Bug #7779:04 llPushObject not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-12 20:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4523: SUCCESS in 4 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4523/
2015-12-12 20:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: improve a bit llpushobject on avatars using bullet, but force is ignored a few seconds after a movement comand. RAdams plz take a look
2015-12-12 20:48 <Rodger> what did OpenSim.Framework.Communications get changed to?
2015-12-12 20:49 <Rodger> my module for 9.0 wont compile as OpenSim.Framework.Communications has been removed?
2015-12-12 20:50 <Ubit> was removed on master sometime before the merge
2015-12-12 20:51 <Rodger> so what to do?
2015-12-12 20:51 <Ubit> aparently it was kinda of dead
2015-12-12 20:52 <Ubit> a few surviving files where moved, but i whould need to check git 
2015-12-12 20:52 <Rodger> its my email module thats effected
2015-12-12 20:54 <Rodger> ohh crap its my email router it went down
2015-12-12 20:54 <Rodger> thats the issue
2015-12-12 20:55 <Ubit> was remove 2015.09.04
2015-12-12 20:55 <Rodger> yah looks like it did not need it
2015-12-12 20:56 <Ubit> 2 files survived, now at opensim/framework
2015-12-12 20:56 <Rodger> lots of changes
2015-12-12 20:56 <Ubit> ( well just reading git :) )
2015-12-12 21:05 <Rodger> thats cool looks like my modules dont need to e changed
2015-12-12 21:33 <osmantis> Bug #7780:04 Undesirable effects of commit 819fe9 - land access is blocked on land subdivide 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7780 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-12 21:36 <osmantis> Bug #7780:04 Undesirable effects of commit 819fe9 - land access is blocked on land subdivide 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7780 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-12-13 01:30 <velusunivers-sys> i have two questions, is there a way of getting a reflecting object like a mirror. and two is there a way for two have tides?
2015-12-13 01:37 <nebadon> technically no
2015-12-13 01:37 <nebadon> there are tricks you can do for machinima
2015-12-13 01:37 <nebadon> but is quite an effort
2015-12-13 01:37 <nebadon> https://zonjacapalini.wordpress.com/guides/mirror-water/
2015-12-13 01:38 <nebadon> tides yes there are ways to do tides 
2015-12-13 01:38 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Category:OSSL_Functions#WindLights
2015-12-13 01:39 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsSetRegionWaterHeight
2015-12-13 01:48 <velusunivers-sys> thabks
2015-12-13 01:52 <JeffKelley> tides -> osSetRegionWaterHeight
2015-12-13 02:27 <linkedinyou> trying to get avatarid as json format and got this error [BASE HTTP SERVER]: Json-Rpc Handler Error method user_account_create - Method not found: 'OpenSim.Services.UserAccountService.UserAccountService.CreateUser'.
2015-12-13 02:27 <linkedinyou> Missing method OpenSim.Services.UserAccountService.UserAccountService::CreateUser(UUID,UUID,string,string,string,string) in assembly 
2015-12-13 02:27 <linkedinyou> in /usr/share/opensim/binNewtonsoft.Json/OpenSim.Services.UserAccountService.dll, referenced in assembly /var/lib/opensim/addins/robust/addins/UserService.dll
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2015-12-13 11:32 <Ubit> 
ACTION looks to Jenkins and waits

2015-12-13 11:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #4524 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-13 11:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4524: FAILURE in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4524/
2015-12-13 11:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: several changes to region and land access control - this may be a bit broken now
2015-12-13 12:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #4525 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4523 15 hr ago)
2015-12-13 12:20 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-12-13 12:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4525: FIXED in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4525/
2015-12-13 12:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix: if no groups module, deny access
2015-12-13 12:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #4526 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2015-12-13 12:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4526: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4526/
2015-12-13 12:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix: do tell and log denied access to estate
2015-12-13 17:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #4527 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-13 17:04 <Ubit> 
ACTION goes for a coffe while Jenkins thinks

2015-12-13 17:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4527: SUCCESS in 4 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4527/
2015-12-13 17:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: several changes to telehubs, LandPoint and land access
2015-12-13 17:16 <Ubit> oops the safecorner is not safe at all
2015-12-13 17:17 <Ubit> why don't ppl just do nice square parcels?
2015-12-13 17:17 <linkedinyou> lik what?
2015-12-13 17:17 <OtakuMegane> Squares are boring.
2015-12-13 17:18 <Ubit> :)
2015-12-13 17:18 <Ubit> btw you notice that linux hang issue again?
2015-12-13 17:18 <Ubit> noticed?
2015-12-13 17:19 <OtakuMegane> I haven't updated past the Dec 2nd one yet
2015-12-13 17:20 <Ubit> ok
2015-12-13 17:56 <linkedinyou> guys i am stuck for a year with Json-Rpc Handler  can anyone advice me please
2015-12-13 17:57 <linkedinyou> trying to get avatarid as json format and got this error [BASE HTTP SERVER]: Json-Rpc Handler Error method user_account_create - Method not found: 'OpenSim.Services.UserAccountService.UserAccountService.CreateUser'
2015-12-13 17:57 <linkedinyou> Missing method OpenSim.Services.UserAccountService.UserAccountService::CreateUser(UUID,UUID,string,string,string,string) in assembly  /usr/share/opensim/binNewtonsoft.Json/OpenSim.Services.UserAccountService.dll, referenced in assembly /var/lib/opensim/addins/robust/addins/UserService.dll
2015-12-13 17:57 <linkedinyou> using here binary Newtonsoft.Json.dll not the LitJson
2015-12-13 18:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #4528 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-13 18:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4528: SUCCESS in 4 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4528/
2015-12-13 18:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change default landpoint type to anywhere (direct)
2015-12-13 18:14 <osmantis> Bug #7781:04 Hypergrid handing of GetRegionByPosition - possible unnecessary work for adjacent region checks after hypergrid jump 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7781 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-12-13 18:15 <osmantis> Bug #7781:04 Hypergrid handing of GetRegionByPosition - possible unnecessary work for adjacent region checks after hypergrid jump 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7781 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-13 18:16 <osmantis> Bug #7781:04 Hypergrid handing of GetRegionByPosition - possible unnecessary work for adjacent region checks after hypergrid jump 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7781 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-12-13 18:18 <Ubit> was on email not irc :)
2015-12-13 18:19 <nebadon> i just got my osgrid regions updated to master
2015-12-13 18:20 <Ubit> ooops :)
2015-12-13 18:20 <Ubit> ahh yours ... not so bad :)
2015-12-13 18:20 <Ubit> so time for another commit :p
2015-12-13 18:20 <nebadon> yes not the plazas
2015-12-13 18:20 <nebadon> just Sisyphus, OKC Tower, and UCI edu1
2015-12-13 18:21 <nebadon> i was going to do Raspberry Pi now too
2015-12-13 18:21 <nebadon> should i wait?
2015-12-13 18:21 <Ubit> just adding a prim count taint  when changing parcels
2015-12-13 18:22 <nebadon> ah ok
2015-12-13 18:22 <nebadon> that wont effect me 
2015-12-13 18:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #4529 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-13 18:23 <Ubit> hmm now that unsafe safecorner
2015-12-13 18:23 <Ubit> hmm messy
2015-12-13 18:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4529: SUCCESS in 4 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4529/
2015-12-13 18:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: taint prim count when join or subdivide parcels
2015-12-13 19:02 <nebadon> raspberry pi region is updated now too :)
2015-12-13 19:02 <Ubit> :)
2015-12-13 19:27 <misterblue> Ubit: saw your comment on llPushObject... what's going on there?
2015-12-13 19:27 <Ubit> hi
2015-12-13 19:27 <Ubit> the avatar stops
2015-12-13 19:28 <Ubit> i did rescale the force, so it does move +- like on ode
2015-12-13 19:28 <Ubit> but.. stops
2015-12-13 19:28 <misterblue> the push moves the avatar but not far enough?
2015-12-13 19:29 <Ubit> moves a a few meters and stops
2015-12-13 19:29 <Ubit> even with the force being applied 
2015-12-13 19:29 <Ubit> several times per minute
2015-12-13 19:29 <Ubit> well per second
2015-12-13 19:29 <misterblue> could be an interaction with the standing code...but walking and flying is done by applying force...
2015-12-13 19:29 <Ubit> yeap guess its something like that
2015-12-13 19:30 <Ubit> well you need to make that force and reset that
2015-12-13 19:30 <Ubit> also
2015-12-13 19:31 <misterblue> you scaled it if it is a push force (multiply by a constant 0.08!?!?!?)
2015-12-13 19:31 <misterblue> what's that all about... is push force different than regular force?
2015-12-13 19:31 <Ubit> thats to tune with old ode
2015-12-13 19:31 <Ubit> i didn't bother doing math :)
2015-12-13 19:32 <Ubit> well bc math fails wit old ode ;)
2015-12-13 19:32 <misterblue> does  this scaling make it in like with old ODE or with SL?
2015-12-13 19:33 <Ubit> old ode was +- close to sl if i remember
2015-12-13 19:34 <Ubit> well depending on the avatar density selected on it
2015-12-13 19:38 <Ubit> misterblue without scale  bullet pushs are far far from sl
2015-12-13 19:39 <Ubit> ( well can be the avatar motors or something reducing its effect.. )
2015-12-13 19:39 <Ubit> i can give you the object mantis tells about at osg
2015-12-13 19:40 <Ubit> i actually had seem it with lani some weeks ago...
2015-12-13 19:40 <Ubit> ( bc of the local parameter change )
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2015-12-13 20:32 <Ubit> ahh mister i added a Activate call to try to make it move...
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2015-12-13 20:32 <Ubit> if its wrong, plz remove
2015-12-13 21:40 <misterblue> ubit: trying to figure out the push force thing... oldOde multiplies force by constant 100, ubODE multiplies the force by avatar density deviced by STEP_SIZE * 28 
2015-12-13 21:41 <misterblue> why push has to do with density I'm not sure... it might want to include mass but that is not used
2015-12-13 21:42 <misterblue> oldODE sets avatar density to 60, ubODE sets it to 80 but then forces it to 3 "for testing"
2015-12-13 21:42 <Velusuni> misterblue, do you know regex
2015-12-13 21:43 <misterblue> I know there are several syntaxes... what is the question
2015-12-13 21:45 <Velusuni> i have a regex to get the domain name of something but i dont want it to get the part from a email address how would i stop it doing this. ((http|https)\:\/\/)?[a-zA-Z0-9\-\.]+\.[a-zA-Z]+(\/\S*)? is the regex i have but if something has someone.something@domain.com it will get the someone.something and the domain.com but i dont want it to get them just if someone puts in domain.com 
2015-12-13 21:50 <misterblue> maybe a larger match with an 'or' in the middle? Like (<http-match>!<email-match>)
2015-12-13 21:50 <misterblue> you'd have to duplicate the domain... or something to take anything followed by at-sign off the front?
2015-12-13 21:51 <misterblue> I personally don't like using regex'ed for taking apart domains... there are usually libraries for that and they have been fixed for all the unicode and domain spoofing problems
2015-12-13 21:55 <OtakuMegane> Hmm...
2015-12-13 21:56 <OtakuMegane> Think I may know...need a moment to check how it's done
2015-12-13 21:57 <Velusuni> hmmm im trying to create a status system for a facebook style site and want it to pick up domains but not emails and then set them as links
2015-12-13 21:57 <Velusuni> what libaries would i be looking for misterblue 
2015-12-13 21:57 <misterblue> PHP code?
2015-12-13 21:58 <Velusuni> yes or even js but php best
2015-12-13 21:58 <OtakuMegane> For changing it to links you'd need a regex replace function
2015-12-13 21:58 <OtakuMegane> Most libraries with regex will have one
2015-12-13 21:58 <misterblue> PHP has parse_url()
2015-12-13 21:59 <Velusuni> would that pick up info from a large set of text
2015-12-13 22:00 <Velusuni> i also need it be able to do smiles 
2015-12-13 22:02 <misterblue> sounds like you are creating something to parse some text, find the URLish text and turn them into HTML for an URL
2015-12-13 22:03 <misterblue> OtakuMegane's suggestion could work... replace the URLish text with a replacement HTML
2015-12-13 22:04 <misterblue> this is the sort of thing that can be gamed, though... some bad guy figures out what "URLish" means and makes your rewriter create HTML malware
2015-12-13 22:04 <OtakuMegane> preg_replace(<regex>, '<a href="$1">$1</a>', <string>);
2015-12-13 22:04 <OtakuMegane> Something like that would do it in PHP
2015-12-13 22:06 <Velusuni> yeah thats what im doing but i also need to find out a little bit of if it dont have http(s) it needs to add it, that will be the hard part
2015-12-13 22:08 <OtakuMegane> Probably need preg_replace_callback, which can send the matched data to a separate function and let you do whatever you want with it
2015-12-13 22:10 <Velusuni> OtakuMegane,  can i be checky and ask if you can write a function for this please? it would go into a class but the class would go through a process of stipping tags, doing the url, then doing the emojies then sending it to the database 
2015-12-13 22:16 <OtakuMegane> For doing all that, a bit complex lol
2015-12-13 22:19 <Velusuni> no i just need the bit that would do the web address, i can do the rest of it
2015-12-13 22:19 <Velusuni> i just dont get the callback part
2015-12-13 22:23 <Melanie_> don't reinvent the wheel!! https://github.com/iamcal/lib_autolink
2015-12-13 22:26 <OtakuMegane> Well that too. :P
2015-12-13 22:26 <misterblue> there you go :)
2015-12-13 22:28 <OtakuMegane> That would be the easier way to handle it.
2015-12-13 22:28 <Velusuni> it uses $GLOBALS and i dont use $GLOBALS its insecure
2015-12-13 22:28 <OtakuMegane> I'm used to making my own for smaller things either because I already know it or to learn how.
2015-12-13 22:29 <Melanie_> in what way is $GLOBALS insecure?
2015-12-13 22:29 <Melanie_> magic_quotes is insecure
2015-12-13 22:29 <Melanie_> register_globals is insecure
2015-12-13 22:29 <Melanie_> $GLOBALS is not
2015-12-13 22:30 <OtakuMegane> $GLOBALS isn't insecure, just bad practice in 99% of the cases. You're probably thinking of register_globals, which pretty much won't work in an install these days.
2015-12-13 22:30 <Melanie_> $GLOBALS is the backbone of pretty much every CMS
2015-12-13 22:31 <Melanie_> once php code reaches a certain level of complexity, $GLOBALS is the correct solution to endless "global" declarations at the top of each file
2015-12-13 22:32 <Melanie_> PHP doesn't lend itself to the kind of compartmentalization that other OOP languages take for granted
2015-12-13 22:32 <OtakuMegane> That's what classes are for. Use it to access handles for those but otherwise there's little reason you should really be using globals if you're doing it right.
2015-12-13 22:32 <OtakuMegane> There are cases, but most can be avoided
2015-12-13 22:33 <Velusuni> ok its register globals that is insecure, but i still try and avoid the $GLOBALS anyway
2015-12-13 22:33 <Velusuni> it is bad practice to use it
2015-12-13 22:34 <OtakuMegane> Well if nothing else you can poke around in the library and learn how it works
2015-12-13 22:40 <Velusuni> im going to 
2015-12-13 22:44 <Velusuni> is that for html info to be put in and used the data wont be in html format, it would be plain text but would have the links put into a html format, then i would pass it through to another one for emojies
2015-12-13 22:46 <misterblue> how much should an avatar weigh?
2015-12-13 22:47 <Ubit> tradicional sl,  around 3 or 4 units
2015-12-13 22:47 <Ubit> i mean 2 or 3 units
2015-12-13 22:48 <misterblue> how big is a 'unit' then?
2015-12-13 22:48 <nebadon> ya i recall it being something like 3.5 lindograms
2015-12-13 22:48 <nebadon> lol
2015-12-13 22:48 <nebadon> http://lslwiki.net/lslwiki/wakka.php?wakka=lindogram
2015-12-13 22:48 <Ubit> its lindograms like neb said
2015-12-13 22:48 <misterblue> volume-wise, they are about .5 cubic meters
2015-12-13 22:48 <Ubit> sl started with a in-house physics engine
2015-12-13 22:48 <misterblue> lindograms around about 100 kilograms?
2015-12-13 22:49 <Ubit> guess avatar lindogram is not even the same as prims
2015-12-13 22:49 <nebadon> ya its probably not
2015-12-13 22:49 <nebadon> but yes misterblue, someone screwed up a decimal place or something originally
2015-12-13 22:49 <Ubit> with havoc, they renamed as kg and rescaled some for prims
2015-12-13 22:49 <Ubit> but avatar is still very light :)
2015-12-13 22:50 <Ubit> let me try to go back there check
2015-12-13 22:50 <Ubit> but mister
2015-12-13 22:50 <misterblue> 
ACTION is still trying to figure out why llPushObject uses the avatar's density in computing the amount of force to apply

2015-12-13 22:50 <Ubit> yoyr issue now is not that
2015-12-13 22:50 <Ubit> its why it stops
2015-12-13 22:51 <Ubit> thats the harder thing to solve
2015-12-13 22:51 <misterblue> I figured out why... but also looking at why ODE multiplies by 100 and you use some computation based on density
2015-12-13 22:51 <Ubit> well another thing about sl
2015-12-13 22:51 <nebadon> lindograms?
2015-12-13 22:51 <nebadon> lol
2015-12-13 22:52 <Ubit> sometimes forces are impulses, sometimes impulses are velocities...
2015-12-13 22:52 <Velusuni> ok thats working but wont work on the new domains like a .world 
2015-12-13 22:52 <Ubit> and variations like that :)
2015-12-13 22:53 <misterblue> the reason it stops is that BulletSim's avatar movement computation assumed all movement was controlled by the user or object motion -- motion imparted by pushing fell under 'the avatar is moving for no reason' computation and stopped
2015-12-13 22:53 <Ubit> btw what the test case for that push thing ?
2015-12-13 22:53 <misterblue> it needs some logic to allow a standing avatar to be moving
2015-12-13 22:53 <Ubit> yeap i guess it was something like that
2015-12-13 22:53 <Ubit> think ode as code for it also
2015-12-13 22:54 <Ubit> ufff looked to that yrs ago
2015-12-13 22:55 <Ubit> ( when i also did the density thing on ubode )
2015-12-13 22:57 <Ubit> my avatar mass is 2.048 lindograms
2015-12-13 22:58 <OtakuMegane> Mmm...lindograms...
2015-12-13 23:04 <Ubit> [15:03] mass checker: Ubit Umarov your mass is 19.981833 lindogram.
2015-12-13 23:04 <Ubit> oops  no ideia what engine im running
2015-12-13 23:05 <OtakuMegane> Diet time :)
2015-12-13 23:05 <nebadon> i do recall it being a lot different than SL avatar mass
2015-12-13 23:05 <Ubit> [15:05] mass checker: Ubit Umarov your mass is 1.937714 lindogram.
2015-12-13 23:05 <nebadon> i cant recall the difference, last time i tested it was on original ODE
2015-12-13 23:05 <Ubit> on lbsa with ubOde
2015-12-13 23:07 <Ubit> think dan used to set ode avatar density to give identical mass 
2015-12-13 23:07 <Ubit> ok my region was with bullet 
2015-12-13 23:08 <Ubit> so 0.08 tune wasn't all that wrong :p
2015-12-13 23:08 <Velusuni> Melanie_, how would i change that script you said so it will change to accept things like lworld as that wont link due to it being new
2015-12-13 23:09 <Ubit> we do need to make this more coerent somehow
2015-12-13 23:09 <Ubit> ubode just ignores the config density setting
2015-12-13 23:09 <misterblue> the 0.08 is approximately the time frame time... scaling force per sec to force per timeslice
2015-12-13 23:10 <Ubit> not that 0.08..  but the one i added
2015-12-13 23:10 <Ubit> hmm and bullet timestep is that ?
2015-12-13 23:10 <Ubit> 80ms ?
2015-12-13 23:11 <Ubit> ( i mean the impulse time since bullet force only lasts one frame also )
2015-12-13 23:12 <misterblue> BSParam.PhysicsTimeStep = 0.089 ... the same default step time as the main simulator loop
2015-12-13 23:12 <Ubit> so slow ?
2015-12-13 23:13 <Ubit> it does dinamic time step ?
2015-12-13 23:13 <misterblue> internally, Bullet does multiple steps per larger simuation step so the internal physics steps is sometime like 50
2015-12-13 23:13 <Ubit> ok
2015-12-13 23:13 <Ubit> well you do need to have a ideia of that force duration time
2015-12-13 23:14 <Ubit> guess its that
2015-12-13 23:14 <misterblue> I kept finding constants in oldODE that were obviously added to make things move about right but the constants were really soem function of the simulator time step (like multiplies or divs by 10)
2015-12-13 23:14 <Ubit> most oldOde constants where guesses
2015-12-13 23:14 <misterblue> yep
2015-12-13 23:15 <Ubit> and sent out to config
2015-12-13 23:16 <Ubit> for users to try to better tune 
2015-12-13 23:16 <Ubit> those PID depend on mass and timestep
2015-12-13 23:16 <Ubit> no business on config file
2015-12-13 23:18 <Ubit> well never understud why linux and windoes diferences
2015-12-13 23:19 <Ubit> mb some linux didn't use ieee math ?
2015-12-13 23:20 <misterblue> I haven't noticed the differences but that doesn't say there aren't any
2015-12-13 23:20 <Ubit> well never understud
2015-12-13 23:23 <OtakuMegane> Looking that up real quick, compiler settings were mentioned. Different compilers I guess can target different FPU units, rounding, etc.
2015-12-13 23:23 <Ubit> hmm do you want the object that originated the mantis report misterblue ?
2015-12-13 23:24 <misterblue> sure
2015-12-13 23:24 <Ubit> im at osg looking at it :)
2015-12-13 23:24 <Ubit> ubittest15
2015-12-13 23:25 <Ubit> funny seeing the mantis..  lani had shown me the same thing weeks ago :)
2015-12-13 23:26 <Ubit> ( well not the bullet problem.. she uses ode )
2015-12-13 23:26 <misterblue> that 7779?
2015-12-13 23:26 <Ubit> yeap
2015-12-13 23:48 <Ubit> hmm need to make ubOde consider belly sizes
2015-12-13 23:48 <Ubit> impossible misterblue be light then me :p
2015-12-13 23:48 <Ubit> lighter 
2015-12-13 23:48 <Ubit> errr
2015-12-13 23:48 <Ubit> lighter than...
2015-12-13 23:55 <Saphira> yay, pregnant avatars...
2015-12-13 23:55 <Ubit> :)
2015-12-13 23:57 <OtakuMegane> Well yes, it probably should consider the entire avatar. Kinda common sense and all that. Maybe not easy to do though?
2015-12-13 23:59 <Saphira> while I was joking, it might actually be interesting for educational purposes
2015-12-13 23:59 <Ubit> nopes no info for that
2015-12-13 23:59 <Ubit> avatar x and y is mainly fixed
2015-12-14 00:01 <OtakuMegane> Accounting for all the sliders is probably pretty tricky. But even excluding height they can effectively double or more the mass.
2015-12-14 00:10 <Ubit> don't want even  thing about parsing the avatar_lad file
2015-12-14 00:10 <Ubit> and use of visual parameters depend on that
2015-12-14 00:14 <OtakuMegane> Maybe someone will do it eventually. Assuming the standard avatar isn't replaced by then anyway.
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2015-12-14 00:16 <Ubit> well the avatar representation on physics is simple
2015-12-14 00:16 <Ubit> and well im taller then misterblue :)
2015-12-14 00:20 <Ubit> ahh and avatar meshs make it harder
2015-12-14 00:20 <Ubit> hmm mesh avatars i mean
2015-12-14 00:20 <OtakuMegane> I forget how tall I am there. On the tall side though.
2015-12-14 00:21 <Ubit> im just 2m and something lol
2015-12-14 00:49 <OtakuMegane> About 2.1m according to the viewer
2015-12-14 03:14 <Plugh> I've been seeing this a bit lately in 082PF -> 22:13:26 - [WORLD MAP]: Generating map image for OAR files
2015-12-14 03:14 <Plugh> [WARNING]: EOC marker not found. Codestream is corrupted.
2015-12-14 03:32 <nebadon> thats openjpeg stuffz
2015-12-14 03:33 <nebadon> its generally just noise
2015-12-14 04:00 <Plugh> Right now I don't have maptiles showing on the map of my standalone. Not sure why. I'll have to investigate that another day.
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2015-12-14 12:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #4530 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-14 12:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4530: SUCCESS in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4530/
2015-12-14 12:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: calculate land startpoint, endpoint and center estimate when it is updated, it not every time they are needed
2015-12-14 12:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #4531 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-14 12:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4531: SUCCESS in 4 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4531/
2015-12-14 12:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: on join parcels, keep the information of the larger parcel, since thats how its expected now
2015-12-14 12:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #4532 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-14 12:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4532: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4532/
2015-12-14 12:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: removed unneeded funtions
2015-12-14 14:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #4533 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-14 14:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4533: SUCCESS in 4 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4533/
2015-12-14 14:13 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: bug fix
2015-12-14 14:13 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: rename a parameter
2015-12-14 19:10 <Plugh> Hm... I just crashed my standalone OpenSim 082PF. Not sure how. I was just shutting down a browser.
2015-12-14 19:11 <nebadon> any messages in the crash?
2015-12-14 19:12 <Plugh> yup.
2015-12-14 19:12 <Plugh> I saved the messages.
2015-12-14 19:13 <Plugh> Region (root) # * Assertion at sgen-nursery-allocator.c:293, condition `fragment->fragment_end > fragment->fragment_start' not met
2015-12-14 19:13 <Plugh> Followed by a backtrace.
2015-12-14 19:13 <nebadon> what mono?
2015-12-14 19:13 <nebadon> i think i know what this is
2015-12-14 19:13 <Plugh> 3.2.8
2015-12-14 19:13 <nebadon> hmm maybe not then
2015-12-14 19:13 <Plugh> Mono JIT compiler version 3.2.8 (Debian 3.2.8+dfsg-4ubuntu1.1)
2015-12-14 19:13 <nebadon> that sounds like a sgen bug
2015-12-14 19:13 <nebadon> you could try this im not sure it works
2015-12-14 19:14 <nebadon> but the gc pool may be too small
2015-12-14 19:14 <nebadon> 1 sec
2015-12-14 19:14 <nebadon> in your .bashrc
2015-12-14 19:14 <nebadon> set these
2015-12-14 19:14 <nebadon> export MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU=2048
2015-12-14 19:14 <nebadon> export MONO_GC_PARAMS=nursery-size=64m
2015-12-14 19:14 <Plugh> Never happened before. I'm starting to use 0.8.2PF as my main test now instead of 0.8.0PF.
2015-12-14 19:14 <nebadon> and restart bash and all
2015-12-14 19:15 <nebadon> it mentions sgen and nursery
2015-12-14 19:15 <Plugh> They were already set.
2015-12-14 19:15 <nebadon> ya i bet this is a sgen bug
2015-12-14 19:15 <nebadon> in that version of mono
2015-12-14 19:15 <nebadon> i didnt use 3.2.8
2015-12-14 19:15 <nebadon> ive used 3.2.3 and 3.12.1
2015-12-14 19:15 <nebadon> before 3.12 I suspect sgen was flakey
2015-12-14 19:16 <nebadon> you could try switching to boehm
2015-12-14 19:16 <nebadon> by using mono-boehm to launch
2015-12-14 19:16 <Plugh> ok. So I should drop 3.2.8 and update mono.
2015-12-14 19:16 <nebadon> you could try that
2015-12-14 19:16 <nebadon> or also try boehm instead
2015-12-14 19:16 <nebadon> probably more stable on that version of mono
2015-12-14 19:16 <Plugh> What's boehm?
2015-12-14 19:17 <nebadon> a garbage collector
2015-12-14 19:17 <nebadon> sgen replaced it
2015-12-14 19:17 <nebadon> however you are in a grey zone
2015-12-14 19:17 <nebadon> for stability for sgen with 3.2.8 probably
2015-12-14 19:17 <nebadon> right on the edge
2015-12-14 19:17 <Plugh> I see a package called mono-runtime-boehm
2015-12-14 19:17 <nebadon> ya
2015-12-14 19:17 <nebadon> the launch command is "mono-boehm"
2015-12-14 19:17 <nebadon> instad of just "mono"
2015-12-14 19:17 <Plugh> ok.
2015-12-14 19:17 <nebadon> likewise you can force sgen with mono-sgen
2015-12-14 19:18 <nebadon> technically mono command is just a shell script
2015-12-14 19:18 <nebadon> that points to either mono-sgen or mono-boehm
2015-12-14 19:19 <Plugh> btw, yes, the mono I'm running reports GC: sgen.
2015-12-14 19:20 <nebadon> ya that became the default in 3.x
2015-12-14 19:20 <nebadon> but it still was quite buggy initially
2015-12-14 19:20 <nebadon> in 4.x its a lot better
2015-12-14 19:20 <nebadon> however there are issues going beyond 3.12.1 right now
2015-12-14 19:20 <nebadon> there is a DNS caching issue that can be super annoying
2015-12-14 19:21 <nebadon> where mono caches DNS info and if its DHCP and a IP address changes
2015-12-14 19:21 <Plugh> I'm using 3.2.8 as its available in my distro. Perhaps I should build mono from source.
2015-12-14 19:21 <nebadon> mono never knows and will eternally see the old ip address
2015-12-14 19:21 <nebadon> until you restart the simulator
2015-12-14 19:21 <nebadon> as far as I know there is nothing we can do about it
2015-12-14 19:21 <nebadon> its a mono flaw
2015-12-14 19:21 <nebadon> really shitty
2015-12-14 19:21 <Plugh> Been a lot of issues in mono.
2015-12-14 19:22 <nebadon> basically means unless we can find a solution we can never move beyond mono 3.12.1
2015-12-14 19:22 <nebadon> unless you dont care about the DNS issue
2015-12-14 19:22 <Plugh> yea, that dns issue won't happen here.
2015-12-14 19:22 <nebadon> it effects hypergrid too
2015-12-14 19:22 <Plugh> 
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2015-12-14 19:23 <nebadon> however
2015-12-14 19:23 <nebadon> i did run 4.0.4 at OSCC
2015-12-14 19:23 <nebadon> and it was not a problem at all
2015-12-14 19:23 <nebadon> i was restarting things often enough
2015-12-14 19:23 <nebadon> where it didnt matter
2015-12-14 19:23 <nebadon> the benefit outweighed the fact that maybe 3-4 people might not be able to reach the grid for a few hours
2015-12-14 19:24 <nebadon> i got zero complaints though
2015-12-14 19:24 <nebadon> the grid performed flawlessly
2015-12-14 19:24 <nebadon> there are other problems in mono 4+ too
2015-12-14 19:24 <nebadon> like https certs
2015-12-14 19:24 <nebadon> that mozilla tool doesnt work correctly
2015-12-14 19:25 <nebadon> that doesnt effect out of the box opensim
2015-12-14 19:25 <nebadon> but advanced setups could be crippled
2015-12-14 19:25 <nebadon> there however is likely workarounds
2015-12-14 19:25 <nebadon> that i didnt have time to pursue
2015-12-14 19:25 <nebadon> someone with lots of HTTPS expertise likely wouldnt be a problem
2015-12-14 19:27 <Plugh> nuts. grub was just updated on my machine. I have to recopy my saved version of grub.cfg. The auto probing of the partitions on my machine always messes up the grub menu entries with a lot of unwanted options.
2015-12-14 19:28 <nebadon> ah ya
2015-12-14 19:28 <nebadon> opensuse has a nice checkbox option in yast control panel to disable probe
2015-12-14 19:29 <nebadon> never works right with Windows 8.1 or 10
2015-12-14 19:29 <nebadon> UEFI probably
2015-12-14 19:34 <Plugh> grub used to be better about the probe thing but now when you install updates via apt-get it probes and makes a mess of grub.cfg
2015-12-14 19:36 <Plugh> I was trying to test event listings for use in world when I ran across a bug or two in Firestorm.
2015-12-14 19:37 <Plugh> FS doesn't show the name of the region I'm in on the map after I login. It just shows (Unknown)
2015-12-14 19:37 <Plugh> That goes away if I search for the name of the area I'm in. Strange.
2015-12-14 19:40 <nebadon> try taking a step
2015-12-14 19:40 <nebadon> sometimes if you dont move it doesnt get updates 
2015-12-14 19:40 <Plugh> nebadon: I've just followed some instructions at http://www.mono-project.com/docs/getting-started/install/linux/ and I can now install mono 3.12.1
2015-12-14 19:41 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44
2015-12-14 19:41 <nebadon> just replace the version numbers with whatever
2015-12-14 19:41 <Plugh> I don't have that issue in Singularity. The region names are there right away.
2015-12-14 19:41 <nebadon> i dont use firestorm much
2015-12-14 19:41 <nebadon> cant say ive ever noticed that happen
2015-12-14 19:42 <nebadon> but ive seen it where just about any viewer might show wrong parcel info
2015-12-14 19:42 <nebadon> until you move
2015-12-14 19:42 <nebadon> there are probably however other conditions required to experience it
2015-12-14 19:42 <nebadon> lots of factors
2015-12-14 19:43 <Plugh> nope. Moving around before opening map didn't let FS determine the name of the region to show on the  map.
2015-12-14 19:44 <nebadon> odd
2015-12-14 19:45 <Plugh> FS is about the only viewer I can use right now. I have a few others that are based on older viewer code. FS is using more up to date code but it has its bugs, as do all viewers.
2015-12-14 19:45 <Plugh> yea, I don't see that name issue with Sing so I know it is an FS bug.
2015-12-14 19:47 <Plugh> I'm in the middle of four things now: update my mono, figure out why I can't search for event listings, I was about to double check physical measurements of an LED, and I need to get some Xmas cards done so I can get them in the mail today.
2015-12-14 19:48 <Plugh> I need to put grid stuff on hold and get the cards done.
2015-12-14 19:48 <nebadon> :)
2015-12-14 19:48 <Plugh> Well, I can do two things at once. I'll update mono while finishing the cards.
2015-12-14 19:50 <Plugh> wtf? The packages have been kept back??
2015-12-14 19:50 <Plugh> ok, cards first then I will get back to updating mono.
2015-12-14 19:51 <nebadon> you could do cards while mono compiles :)
2015-12-14 19:51 <nebadon> though with 8 cores its pretty fast
2015-12-14 19:51 <nebadon> heh
2015-12-14 19:51 <Plugh> I'm using a public repo of mono so I don't need to compile i.
2015-12-14 19:51 <nebadon> ah
2015-12-14 19:53 <Plugh> I tried to update via apt-get. Using the GUI update tool I may be able to do it. It is saying it will remove 44 packages and install 13.
2015-12-14 19:53 <nebadon> ya ive never done that way on ubuntu/mint
2015-12-14 19:53 <Plugh> ok, its under way.
2015-12-14 19:54 <Plugh> oh, you haven't used public repos for mono under ubuntu/mint?
2015-12-14 19:54 <nebadon> ya I have not
2015-12-14 19:54 <nebadon> i dont use mint or ubuntu unless i really have to
2015-12-14 19:54 <Plugh> 
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2015-12-14 19:54 <nebadon> and when i have i compiled it
2015-12-14 19:54 <Plugh> Its may main distro now.
2015-12-14 19:55 <Plugh> That is Mint is my main one. I don't use an Ubuntu distro.
2015-12-14 19:56 <nebadon> ya if i had to chose its mint all day long
2015-12-14 19:56 <nebadon> ubuntu is hell
2015-12-14 19:57 <Plugh> I don't want Unity. Mint is continuing development/support for a Gnome 2 style desktop that I find "good enough" for my needs.
2015-12-14 19:57 <nebadon> the only time ubuntu is a consideration for me is the Raspberry Pi
2015-12-14 19:58 <Plugh> I use Raspbian on the Pi.
2015-12-14 19:58 <nebadon> raspbian is nice, very solid
2015-12-14 19:58 <nebadon> you need a pi2 for Ubuntu Mate 15
2015-12-14 19:58 <nebadon> it feels a bit more polished than raspbian does
2015-12-14 19:58 <Plugh> I want to get a Pi 2. I also want a couple of Pi Zero's.
2015-12-14 19:59 <nebadon> my opensim pi is currently running raspbian though
2015-12-14 19:59 <nebadon> since its headless
2015-12-14 19:59 <Plugh> 
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2015-12-14 20:00 <nebadon> i seriously want like 20 raspberry pis
2015-12-14 20:00 <nebadon> lol
2015-12-14 20:00 <nebadon> would need to find a solid USB bar that could power them all though
2015-12-14 20:01 <Plugh> :)
2015-12-14 20:01 <Dev_Random> nebadon:    http://pine64.com/
2015-12-14 20:01 <nebadon> i saw that
2015-12-14 20:01 <Plugh> My Pi 1B is my main development platform for working with AVR microcontrollers.
2015-12-14 20:01 <nebadon> there is orangepi too
2015-12-14 20:01 <nebadon> the orangepi has a 2gb option
2015-12-14 20:01 <Plugh> There is also Banana Pi
2015-12-14 20:03 <Plugh> oh, crap. I was sure the update thing said it 3.12.1 was available. Its gone and installed 4.2.1  :P
2015-12-14 20:03 <nebadon> http://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Family-Sized-Charger-Technology-AX-TPCS/dp/B00OJ79UK6
2015-12-14 20:03 <nebadon> for my pi cluster :)
2015-12-14 20:04 <Plugh> Neat. That's quiet the USB device.
2015-12-14 20:05 <Plugh> How stable/buggy is mono 4.2.1 with OS?
2015-12-14 20:07 <Plugh> I still have the option of installing the boehm GC package
2015-12-14 20:11 <Plugh> Interesting items on the Orange Pi. IR receiver, microphone input, built-in WiFi, SATA interface.
2015-12-14 20:11 <nebadon> ive not tried 4.21
2015-12-14 20:12 <Plugh> Nice. $39
2015-12-14 20:12 <nebadon> but i can say 4.3 from git is good
2015-12-14 20:12 <nebadon> my osgrid regions are running 4.3
2015-12-14 20:12 <Plugh> Its only my standalone so I may be ok.
2015-12-14 20:12 <nebadon> ya it should be fine
2015-12-14 20:13 <Plugh> Besides, someone has to try it. :)
2015-12-14 20:14 <Plugh> eek. $39US for an Orange Pi but they want $27 for shipping?
2015-12-14 20:14 <nebadon> haha
2015-12-14 20:14 <nebadon> I think those come from china
2015-12-14 20:14 <nebadon> they ship direct from china
2015-12-14 20:14 <Plugh> oh, they only want to use courier services.
2015-12-14 20:15 <Plugh> UPS, DHL, FedEx, TNT
2015-12-14 20:15 <nebadon> yea
2015-12-14 20:15 <nebadon> i wonder how good the suppport is for those
2015-12-14 20:15 <Plugh> UPS Is cheapest but they'll hit you up for even more money for clearance and brokerage fees.
2015-12-14 20:15 <nebadon> the raspberry pi is ultimately a better choice I think
2015-12-14 20:16 <nebadon> SATA would be nice
2015-12-14 20:16 <nebadon> but there are power issues
2015-12-14 20:16 <nebadon> so its not as exciting as it sounds
2015-12-14 20:16 <nebadon> the kind of sata drives that work are not super fast
2015-12-14 20:16 <nebadon> m2 ports would be better
2015-12-14 20:16 <nebadon> probably expensive to license that tech though
2015-12-14 20:17 <nebadon> probably double the cost or more
2015-12-14 20:17 <Plugh> A Pi 2 B here is about $60 Cdn (~$43) with shipping.
2015-12-14 20:17 <nebadon> ya its about the same here
2015-12-14 20:17 <nebadon> look for bundles
2015-12-14 20:17 <nebadon> its cheaper
2015-12-14 20:17 <Plugh> only if the bundles have stuff I need and don't already have.
2015-12-14 20:17 <nebadon> i mean you pay more
2015-12-14 20:17 <nebadon> but you get a lot of stuff that kind of offsets it a bit
2015-12-14 20:18 <nebadon> like i can get a complete kit for 69$
2015-12-14 20:18 <nebadon> or just the unit for like 45$
2015-12-14 20:18 <Plugh> yea. Only thing I really need is higher amperage power supply and may be different memory cards.
2015-12-14 20:19 <Plugh> I'm hinking of getting this device if (when) I get a Pi 2B -> http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B016GK3JTQ?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=A3514VZQ6UNK4F
2015-12-14 20:20 <nebadon> ya there are lots of cool options like that
2015-12-14 20:20 <Plugh> I've put the Pi 2B, that device, and a 2A supply on my public amazon wish list.
2015-12-14 20:21 <Plugh> That LCD would be useful as the monitor I have by the work bench has a fault that keeps blowing a couple of transistors inside it.
2015-12-14 20:22 <nebadon> there are a lot of small monitor options for pi's
2015-12-14 20:22 <nebadon> http://www.amazon.com/OFFICIAL-RASPBERRY-FOUNDATION-TOUCHSCREEN-DISPLAY/dp/B0153R2A9I/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1450124549&sr=1-1&keywords=7+inch+raspberry+pi+screen
2015-12-14 20:23 <nebadon> http://www.amazon.com/Waveshare-7inch-Capacitive-LCD-HDMI/dp/B017JLYEKY/ref=sr_1_9?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1450124549&sr=1-9&keywords=7+inch+raspberry+pi+screen
2015-12-14 20:24 <Plugh> yea, and the prices jump up.
2015-12-14 20:24 <nebadon> ya there are tons of options out there
2015-12-14 20:24 <nebadon> amazon isnt always the best price for stuff either
2015-12-14 20:24 <Plugh> hm... that second one looks better. Lower price yet has a higher resolution screen.
2015-12-14 20:25 <Plugh> bbiab. My cat is calling for me.
2015-12-14 20:25 <Plugh> :)
2015-12-14 21:24 <OSSelphie> moin moin
2015-12-14 22:28 <Plugh> Cards are done. Now I can get back to figuring out why event markers aren't showing on the map.
2015-12-14 22:32 <Plugh> Hm... marker is on the map but not in the right spot. 
2015-12-14 22:32 <Plugh> At least that will be easier to fix.
2015-12-14 23:24 <Plugh> I wish there was more consistency in how grid coordinate information is stored in database tables. Sometimes it uses a , separate and sometimes it uses a / separator. 
2015-12-14 23:24 <Plugh> :P
2015-12-14 23:25 <Dev_Random> just start all your parsing routines with a "replace"
2015-12-14 23:27 <Plugh> yea, but I also have to check what is required by the code that will receive what I'm passing as a coordinate.
2015-12-14 23:27 <Dev_Random> heh.. not a serious suggestion.
2015-12-14 23:27 <Plugh> :)
2015-12-14 23:28 <Plugh> Still it would have helped in what I was just dealing with. 
2015-12-14 23:28 <Plugh> Got it working now.
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2015-12-15 04:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #4534 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-12-15 04:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: dont round to nearest int when checking position in parcel since next high int can be on other parcel
2015-12-15 11:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #4535 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-12-15 12:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: some changes parcels AABB math etc
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2015-12-15 17:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #4536 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-12-15 17:25 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: replace GetNearestPoint... funtions
2015-12-15 17:25 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove replaced code
2015-12-15 18:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #4537 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-12-15 18:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few more changes on parcels location finding
2015-12-15 18:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #4538 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-12-15 18:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix typo
2015-12-15 18:37 <Ubit> well that was more than fix typo.. 
2015-12-15 18:59 <Rodger> in opensim code when an item is sent to a user does that return a fail or scuceed responce?
2015-12-15 18:59 <Ubit> think it says something
2015-12-15 19:00 <Ubit> ( not necessary correct ;) )
2015-12-15 19:00 <Rodger> i need it to beable to retun a responce to my web server so i know an item was sent correctly
2015-12-15 19:00 <Ubit> yeap viewer even shows a dialog with accept or something, that actually does nothing it seems
2015-12-15 19:01 <Rodger> if you click no it move the item to trash i think
2015-12-15 19:01 <Ubit> im reloging to test
2015-12-15 19:03 <Rodger> this is the code i need to get responce from 
2015-12-15 19:03 <Rodger> InventoryFolderBase folderCopy
2015-12-15 19:03 <Rodger>                             = m_scene.GiveInventoryFolder
2015-12-15 19:03 <Ubit> yeap went to trash
2015-12-15 19:03 <Ubit> hmmm not that good if its a non copy item
2015-12-15 19:04 <Ubit> but didn't said anything to sender
2015-12-15 19:04 <Ubit> ohh says received
2015-12-15 19:04 <Ubit> so its always send, if receiver decides to not accept,...  its lost :)
2015-12-15 19:05 <Ubit> well guess it needs to be like that for HG etc
2015-12-15 19:06 <Rodger> its a wiewer thing
2015-12-15 19:06 <Ubit> possible yeap
2015-12-15 19:10 <Ubit> hmm having a 0.9 ini file on a 0.8.2 doesn't work that well.. specially selecting ubOde on it :)
2015-12-15 19:21 <Melanie_> the way inventory give works in opensim is that the item is first inserted into the recipient's inventory. then a special IM is sent that causes the accept/reject dialog to pop up
2015-12-15 19:22 <Melanie_> if the user selects accept, an IM indicating acceptance is sent to the sender, if the user rejects it the item is moved to his trash and a message is sent to the giver that the item was rejected
2015-12-15 19:22 <Melanie_> so no matter what, the recipient always gets the item, only it's in the trash if they reject it
2015-12-15 19:22 <Ubit> seems this last part isn't like that...  but need to check better
2015-12-15 19:23 <Melanie_> well, avination current works that way
2015-12-15 19:23 <Melanie_> the merge may have broken it
2015-12-15 19:23 <Ubit> possible
2015-12-15 19:23 <Melanie_> before the merge this didn't work in opensim
2015-12-15 19:24 <Ubit> seems i seen the message at sender, before receiver doing anything
2015-12-15 19:24 <Melanie_> so for these transactions, the avn code should be used in place of the old opensim code
2015-12-15 19:24 <Melanie_> the old opensim code was liable to lose an item every once in a while
2015-12-15 19:24 <Melanie_> it would not appear until the recipient cleared cache
2015-12-15 19:24 <Melanie_> avn code avoids that proble
2015-12-15 19:24 <Melanie_> m
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2015-12-15 21:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make parcel bans do something on vehicles. Just a first code, far from good
2015-12-15 22:41 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-15 23:25 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-15 23:44 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-12-16 00:46 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-16 01:06 <nebadon> https://lightsaber.withgoogle.com/experience
2015-12-16 01:06 <nebadon> damn this is cool!
2015-12-16 02:01 <nebadon> http://files.unity3d.com/jonas/WebGLBenchmark/
2015-12-16 02:09 <Plugh> Will only show me the video, nebadon.
2015-12-16 08:00 <Wanderer_42> Hi. Can I run into troubles, if I switch between ODE and Bullet, and save and load oars?
2015-12-16 08:00 <Wanderer_42> Or are the databases and the oar-files not affected with physic-settings?
2015-12-16 12:58 <Wanderer_42> Hi. Can I run into troubles, if I switch between ODE and Bullet, and save and load oars?
2015-12-16 12:58 <Wanderer_42> Or are the databases and the oar-files not affected with physic-settings?
2015-12-16 13:10 <antont> good question. i'd actually suppose that they are not affected but don't know how it really is in opensim. but if the properties for the 'prims' are the same then there is no difference
2015-12-16 13:11 <antont> if the physics things have somehow extend the information there is about objects, then they affect, but i haven't noticed such a thing appearing .. might have missed though
2015-12-16 13:21 <Wanderer_42> Thx. I will repeat the question later, when less people are afk. Maybe an developer can say something or people have certain experiences. I don't want to mess up my oar-files. Thats the reason for the question
2015-12-16 14:12 <antont> Wanderer_42: yep, makes sense. no guarantees, but to investigate yourself you could take two exports of same data and see if there are any differences
2015-12-16 14:13 <antont> Wanderer_42: export oar, keep that safe, change engine, export again -- compare with some file difference showing tool?
2015-12-16 14:13 <antont> that doesn't guarantee the interop you want but might tell something
2015-12-16 14:13 <antont> but yah people who know that area of code probably know the answer directly
2015-12-16 14:14 <Wanderer_42> You can save the same region more times. And most of the time the filesize will differ
2015-12-16 14:14 <Wanderer_42> So you will find anytime some differences, I think
2015-12-16 15:27 <misterblue> Wanderer_42: loading and saving OARs is not effected by which physics engine you have selected
2015-12-16 15:27 <Wanderer_42> Great. Thank you
2015-12-16 15:27 <misterblue> loading and saving moves data in and out of the database and the physics engine is not involved
2015-12-16 15:27 <Wanderer_42> Good to know :-)
2015-12-16 15:27 <misterblue> the physics engine is only used when running the simulator
2015-12-16 15:29 <misterblue> the actual meshing code (what turns a prim into a mesh for simulation) is part of the OpenSimulator core and shared by the physics engines
2015-12-16 15:29 <misterblue> so even if you are saving the meshes made from the prims, you are not using the physics engines
2015-12-16 15:31 <misterblue> 
ACTION is using the term 'prim' for the compact shape description for an object as defined by SL

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2015-12-16 17:25 <Ubit> well ubode has ist own prim mesher, but its irrelevant
2015-12-16 17:27 <Ubit> there is only a thing that may give some eorors.. not sure
2015-12-16 17:27 <Ubit> thats physical prims minimal allowed Z, possible
2015-12-16 18:26 <Rodger> unable to walk on top of mesh or in through doors
2015-12-16 18:26 <Rodger> ubode
2015-12-16 18:28 <Ubit> on top you should walk
2015-12-16 18:28 <Ubit> on doors.. fix the mesh
2015-12-16 18:28 <nebadon> we used to be able to visual physics in the viewer
2015-12-16 18:28 <nebadon> but that seemed to stop working at some point
2015-12-16 18:28 <nebadon> it was very handy
2015-12-16 18:29 <Ubit> nopes it was a mistake nebadon
2015-12-16 18:29 <nebadon> what was?
2015-12-16 18:29 <Ubit> using visual LOD on physics
2015-12-16 18:29 <nebadon> right but i mean
2015-12-16 18:29 <nebadon> there used to be a way to view the simulator as physics colliders
2015-12-16 18:29 <nebadon> on the advanced menu
2015-12-16 18:29 <Ubit> Ahh yeap
2015-12-16 18:30 <nebadon> you could see the actual shapes being used
2015-12-16 18:30 <Ubit> that does work
2015-12-16 18:30 <nebadon> but now i turn it on all i see is black
2015-12-16 18:30 <Ubit> if the mesh was uploaded correctly
2015-12-16 18:30 <nebadon> i havent tried in a while
2015-12-16 18:30 <Ubit> jsut fs has it broken
2015-12-16 18:30 <nebadon> guess I will try that again
2015-12-16 18:30 <Ubit> singu worked
2015-12-16 18:30 <nebadon> oh hmm
2015-12-16 18:30 <nebadon> i'll try that i was probably using replex
2015-12-16 18:30 <nebadon> maybe its broken in replex too
2015-12-16 18:30 <Ubit> that is nice yeap
2015-12-16 18:31 <nebadon> maybe its the 64 bit versions
2015-12-16 18:31 <Ubit> seem very odd convez shapes done by viewers
2015-12-16 18:31 <nebadon> ive been noticing more and more that the 64 bit versions are not as good as 32 bit
2015-12-16 18:31 <nebadon> i get much better performance with 32 bit viewer
2015-12-16 18:31 <Ubit> or meshs with missing tris etc
2015-12-16 18:31 <nebadon> regions load faster
2015-12-16 18:31 <nebadon> textures are visible faster
2015-12-16 18:31 <Ubit> that is expected i guess
2015-12-16 18:31 <nebadon> i have all but stopped using 64 bit
2015-12-16 18:31 <Ubit> 32bit is a bit faster
2015-12-16 18:31 <nebadon> its very bad
2015-12-16 18:32 <Ubit> on viewers  mesh is worse
2015-12-16 18:32 <Ubit> bc 32bits use havoc
2015-12-16 18:32 <Ubit> 64bits use hadc.. not that good
2015-12-16 18:32 <nebadon> ya LL has no official 64 bit support i recall
2015-12-16 18:32 <nebadon> so i guess its not surprising
2015-12-16 18:33 <Ubit> well sometime ago  license only allowed the use of havoc on SL also
2015-12-16 18:33 <nebadon> who knows I stopped paying attention to LL long ago
2015-12-16 18:33 <nebadon> they might have 64 bit now
2015-12-16 18:33 <nebadon> ya its still that way
2015-12-16 18:33 <nebadon> tpvs are all stubbed for alternative stuff
2015-12-16 18:33 <Ubit> hmm FS still has the SL only version 32bit only
2015-12-16 18:33 <nebadon> ya
2015-12-16 18:34 <nebadon> having that means removing grid manager
2015-12-16 18:34 <nebadon> to comply
2015-12-16 18:36 <Ubit> well this mesh issue is bad :(
2015-12-16 18:37 <Ubit> seems tons of things where uploaded without any physics selection, with people expecting it to fully collide
2015-12-16 18:39 <Ubit> ( that issue also breaks the viewer option neb )
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2015-12-16 19:02 <Ubit> we do need someone to right a simple wiki about meshs :(
2015-12-16 19:02 <Ubit> write..
2015-12-16 22:26 <Rodger> why do i get sale block by the permission system error?
2015-12-16 22:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #4540 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-16 22:28 <Ubit> no idea
2015-12-16 22:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4540: FAILURE in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4540/
2015-12-16 22:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: several changes to parcels access control and scenepresence updates rates
2015-12-16 22:32 <Ubit> hmm chat ?
2015-12-16 22:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #4541 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4539 1 day 1 hr ago)
2015-12-16 22:33 <Rodger> chat?
2015-12-16 22:33 <Ubit> this jenkins error
2015-12-16 22:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4541: STILL FAILING in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4541/
2015-12-16 22:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add the option to not display parcel ban lines
2015-12-16 22:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #4542 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4539 1 day 1 hr ago)
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2015-12-16 22:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: temporary remove the delay on first child updates
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2015-12-16 23:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #4543 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4539 1 day 2 hr ago)
2015-12-16 23:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4543: STILL FAILING in 5 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4543/
2015-12-16 23:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: revert last change and add delays on testing, since child updates now have time control, since they are heavy http connections
2015-12-16 23:18 <Ubit> grrr
2015-12-16 23:22 <Ubit> bahh silly
2015-12-16 23:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #4544 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4539 1 day 2 hr ago)
2015-12-16 23:32 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2015-12-16 23:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4544: FIXED in 5 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4544/
2015-12-16 23:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix test: scene update needs to run after the delay
2015-12-16 23:32 <Ubit> Yippie
2015-12-16 23:33 <Ubit> well the new bugs are another issue :)
2015-12-16 23:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #4545 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
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2015-12-17 00:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: dont bother another thread to try to send if there is no one to listen
2015-12-17 04:51 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-17 08:32 <osmantis> Bug #7782:04 Script time reporting error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7782 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-12-17 08:38 <osmantis> Bug #7782:04 Script time reporting error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7782 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-17 08:46 <osmantis> Bug #7782:04 Script time reporting error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7782 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-17 10:07 <osmantis> Bug #7782:04 Script time reporting error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7782 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-17 12:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #4546 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-12-17 12:40 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change updates reprioritization control code. Do it under normal avatar updates timing and with a workjob not a timer issued thread.
2015-12-17 12:40 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: save a expensive call to CameraPosition
2015-12-17 14:38 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-17 14:52 <AliciaRaven> Ubit, i dont see what the problem with physics mesh is, if no physics mesh is set, and no lod selected to use, what is wrong will falling back to the highest lod if they choose the prim flag instead of just not giving the option to select it and forcing people to reload the mesh file
2015-12-17 14:53 <Ubit> physics has nothing to do with LODs
2015-12-17 14:54 <Ubit> thats a upload decision only...
2015-12-17 14:54 <misterblue> true... but what is the problem with defaulting physics mesh if none is specified
2015-12-17 14:54 <AliciaRaven> Ubit, im not saying LOD is physics, it just uses that LODs mesh
2015-12-17 14:55 <AliciaRaven> but not allowing the prim option just because its not defined exactly will cause problems, why cant it just assume if nothing is set that the high lod mesh should be used when physics is set to prim
2015-12-17 14:55 <Ubit> because its wrong
2015-12-17 14:56 <Ubit> physics mesh is a decision at upload,, and selecting none is a valid option that should mean NONE
2015-12-17 14:57 <Ubit> and not forcing a broken crap that with type none  does full collisions
2015-12-17 14:58 <AliciaRaven> i think i understand now, if people want no physics when they upload, it would default to the high lod
2015-12-17 15:00 <Ubit> you mean it should not..
2015-12-17 15:02 <misterblue> there is one option that SL defined that few people use that would be different in OS... specifying 'none' on upload causes no physics mesh on SL but in OS BulletSim defaults to the object mesh and ubODE has no physics mesh
2015-12-17 15:04 <Ubit> few people use?
2015-12-17 15:04 <Ubit> evn you ever make a mesh car ?
2015-12-17 15:04 <Ubit> try doing it with full colliding meshs
2015-12-17 15:05 <misterblue> I don't think that option even existed when mesh uploading first came about... back when people were first uploading meshes
2015-12-17 15:05 <AliciaRaven> in that case they would change to none after upload while building
2015-12-17 15:05 <Ubit> something SL  fast understood and fixed
2015-12-17 15:05 <misterblue> that's one reason BulletSim defaults to the object mesh... where wasn't all the stuff with physics meshes in the early, experimental days
2015-12-17 15:05 <Ubit> you mean you missed it
2015-12-17 15:07 <Ubit> whatever..  some fixing is now needed
2015-12-17 15:15 <djphil> ping Ubit
2015-12-17 15:15 <djphil> viewers (Firestorm or Singularity) accepts LOD from files when i upload a mesh with ubODE ?
2015-12-17 15:15 <Ubit> on viewer, click on the phsyics tab
2015-12-17 15:15 <Ubit> then select what you want
2015-12-17 15:16 <Ubit> ubOde will used it
2015-12-17 15:16 <djphil> yes i know taht
2015-12-17 15:16 <djphil> but it work with ubODE ?
2015-12-17 15:16 <Ubit> i just don't recoment  convex deconposition
2015-12-17 15:16 <djphil> ok cool
2015-12-17 15:16 <djphil> ha ok
2015-12-17 15:16 <Ubit> ubd does it.. but.. yeachhh bad
2015-12-17 15:17 <Ubit> ubOde does it..  but converts to a mesh..   etc..  so..  not good
2015-12-17 15:17 <djphil> i suspect to some promblems ( or hard calculs) with mesh face closely spaced
2015-12-17 15:17 <Ubit> well viewers do get lost with some meshs
2015-12-17 15:17 <djphil> hmmm ok
2015-12-17 15:18 <Ubit> SL does a lot of extra checking on uploads
2015-12-17 15:18 <Ubit> we still do none
2015-12-17 15:18 <Ubit> you cannot upload a mesh with degeneted vertices etc etc
2015-12-17 15:19 <djphil> degeneted ?
2015-12-17 15:19 <Ubit> identical
2015-12-17 15:19 <djphil> what tahat !
2015-12-17 15:19 <djphil> not sure i understand ...
2015-12-17 15:20 <Ubit> or triangles with all or two vertices equal..
2015-12-17 15:20 <Ubit> things like that
2015-12-17 15:20 <djphil> you mean somets bunk?
2015-12-17 15:20 <Ubit> they do try to parse out anything that will make havoc unhappy later
2015-12-17 15:21 <Ubit> ( and of course sizes checks ;) )
2015-12-17 15:21 <djphil> ok
2015-12-17 15:21 <djphil> i have another question
2015-12-17 15:21 <djphil> he seems to have a limit of hardware-face
2015-12-17 15:21 <djphil> if this number is exceeded, an extra face is automatically created during import.
2015-12-17 15:21 <djphil> Is what is good and true that limitation
2015-12-17 15:21 <Ubit> ?
2015-12-17 15:22 <djphil> ok i try to explain step by step
2015-12-17 15:22 <djphil> i create a mesh with ine material (1 face) and a lot of triangles (100.000 for eexemple)
2015-12-17 15:22 <Ubit> ( there are nice tutorials about meshs for SL that will apply to ubOde )
2015-12-17 15:23 <djphil> one meterial*
2015-12-17 15:23 <djphil> when i try to import it, that work but my mesh have now 2 faces ... because my mesh have a lot of verticle ...
2015-12-17 15:24 <djphil> the viewer add automaticly a new face
2015-12-17 15:24 <Ubit> guess that is viewer side thing
2015-12-17 15:24 <djphil> my question is : how many vertices are allowed bu face (material)
2015-12-17 15:24 <Ubit> for materials, that is viewer side thing
2015-12-17 15:24 <djphil> yeah, maybee a viewer limitation, i don't know ...
2015-12-17 15:25 <Ubit> guess sl limits 
2015-12-17 15:25 <djphil> is better i ask that to FS dev then
2015-12-17 15:25 <djphil> ok tyvm
2015-12-17 15:25 <djphil> that all :)
2015-12-17 15:25 <Ubit> os check SL limits page
2015-12-17 15:25 <Ubit> or...
2015-12-17 15:25 <djphil> hehe or nor ^^
2015-12-17 15:25 <Ubit> viewers follow sl code on that basicly
2015-12-17 15:26 <Ubit> at opensim we mainly store and give back the meshs
2015-12-17 15:26 <AliciaRaven> there is a limit on how many virts can be in a single mesh (prim) before its split into 2 prim meshes, the word face you are using is wrong i think
2015-12-17 15:26 <Ubit> only physics tries to read then of course :)
2015-12-17 15:26 <djphil> maybee i can ask google with "sl mesh limitation"
2015-12-17 15:26 <AliciaRaven> face = triangle
2015-12-17 15:27 <djphil> yeah but LOD is very important to make nice mesh (and optimised mesh)
2015-12-17 15:27 <Ubit> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Limits    this is a generic one
2015-12-17 15:27 <Ubit> not sure if updated
2015-12-17 15:27 <djphil> ty
2015-12-17 15:28 <djphil> there mesh and mesh ... sometimes the difference is really important lol
2015-12-17 15:31 <djphil> i see 65536 vertices/mesh for LOD ... but no limits for verticles/material
2015-12-17 15:31 <djphil> better i ask viewers dev for that then ...
2015-12-17 15:31 <Ubit> The 64k vertices per material is pre-empted by a limit of 21,844 triangles per material, which is presently reported as BUG-1001
2015-12-17 15:31 <djphil> haaaa, i found !!!
2015-12-17 15:31 <djphil> The 64k vertices per material is pre-empted by a limit of 21,844 triangles per material
2015-12-17 15:32 <Ubit> lol
2015-12-17 15:32 <djphil> yes that bellow
2015-12-17 15:32 <djphil> but is "temporary"
2015-12-17 15:32 <djphil> "User Found Temporary Mesh limits"
2015-12-17 15:32 <Ubit> think they did change things recently
2015-12-17 15:32 <djphil> ok ggod to know !
2015-12-17 15:33 <djphil> tanks for the wiki url :)
2015-12-17 15:33 <Ubit> :)
2015-12-17 15:57 <djphil> ubit : you say above : "you cannot upload a mesh with degeneted vertices etc etc"
2015-12-17 15:57 <djphil> I no understand that because when you use "edge split" option in Blender you create a lot of "degeneted" vertice and you can upload this mesh without problems. This mesh "inword" have edges splited. It seam "degeneted vertices" working well ...
2015-12-17 15:57 <djphil> then i no understand wwhy you say that above ?
2015-12-17 15:57 <Ubit> viewers processing the dae make them
2015-12-17 15:57 <Ubit> vertices only have 16bits resolution
2015-12-17 15:58 <nebadon> 64k vertices?
2015-12-17 15:58 <nebadon> its much much lower than that isnt it?
2015-12-17 15:58 <Ubit> so a nice  thing in blender can give triangles with all vertices equal
2015-12-17 15:59 <nebadon> oh no im thinking triangle #
2015-12-17 15:59 <nebadon> not vertices nvm
2015-12-17 15:59 <Ubit> sl upload code will refuse to upload that
2015-12-17 15:59 <Ubit> we filter that in physics engine
2015-12-17 16:00 <nebadon> yea i know meshmerizer has limits
2015-12-17 16:00 <djphil> you can in blender "remove double"
2015-12-17 16:00 <Ubit> yes dj
2015-12-17 16:00 <djphil> but if you use that you broken the "edge split" ...
2015-12-17 16:00 <Ubit> but in blender coords are floats or doubles
2015-12-17 16:00 <nebadon> like djphil said too the material limit is far lower than the physics limit is
2015-12-17 16:01 <Ubit> viewer converts those to 16bits only
2015-12-17 16:01 <Ubit> see the issue dj ?
2015-12-17 16:01 <nebadon> a single material object shouldnt exceed 21,844 triangles
2015-12-17 16:01 <Ubit> ( crosstalk now :) )
2015-12-17 16:01 <nebadon> yea
2015-12-17 16:02 <djphil> not sure i see ubit :s
2015-12-17 16:02 <Ubit> say you have a 1m  object
2015-12-17 16:02 <djphil> just maybee i understand somethink
2015-12-17 16:03 <djphil> the viewer fix automaticly this problem when i import my splited mesh
2015-12-17 16:03 <Ubit> and have a triang with vertites 0.001 mm 0.01.. and 0.005 mm
2015-12-17 16:03 <Ubit> that triagle will have 2 vertices 0  0 0 
2015-12-17 16:03 <Ubit> 3 vertices
2015-12-17 16:04 <djphil> yep
2015-12-17 16:04 <Ubit> bc 16bits doesn't give resolution for 0.01mm on a 1m object
2015-12-17 16:04 <djphil> 3 different vertices, nor identicals vertices
2015-12-17 16:04 <Ubit> they are diferent in blender
2015-12-17 16:04 <Ubit> equal when converted to sl mesh format
2015-12-17 16:04 <djphil> ok
2015-12-17 16:05 <Ubit> well sculpt maps have 8 bits only.. a bit worse :)
2015-12-17 16:05 <nebadon> my personal opinion too, you never want the viewer making decisions for you
2015-12-17 16:05 <nebadon> in terms of mesh upload
2015-12-17 16:05 <Ubit> btw sculpt maps do collide in ubode
2015-12-17 16:06 <djphil> then it seems that the viewer did a good job, he manages to keep the effect "splited" while caculant do this on only one vertex (he eliminated identical vertices)
2015-12-17 16:06 <Ubit> don't remember in bullet
2015-12-17 16:06 <djphil> ha sculpts only 8bits, good to know
2015-12-17 16:07 <Ubit> ( they have the 3 options also.. but i fake on the convex case.. just use lower resolution )
2015-12-17 16:07 <Ubit> ( didn't bother creating a convex hull and crashing doing it ;) )
2015-12-17 16:10 <Ubit> hmm regions still work with my last code? :)
2015-12-17 16:12 <Melanie_T> i also found the meshes created by the viewer highly unoptimized
2015-12-17 16:13 <Melanie_T> a simple cube out of blender with 8 vertices is uploaded as 24 vertices
2015-12-17 16:13 <Ubit> yeap the LODs etc
2015-12-17 16:13 <Melanie_T> with a number of the uploaded vertices identical
2015-12-17 16:13 <Melanie_T> no, within  lod
2015-12-17 16:13 <Ubit> ohh viewer does that?
2015-12-17 16:13 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-12-17 16:13 <Ubit> odd
2015-12-17 16:13 <Melanie_T> it takes a perfectly good collada file and makes it into llm crap
2015-12-17 16:13 <Ubit> :(
2015-12-17 16:17 <djphil> yeah Alicia, borbably that because you triangulate your Mesh when you exporty it
2015-12-17 16:17 <djphil> probably*
2015-12-17 16:17 <djphil> have you tryed to unckeck this Blender Exporting option ?
2015-12-17 16:18 <Ubit> not sure viewer takes quads, does it?
2015-12-17 16:18 <djphil> yes it do
2015-12-17 16:18 <Ubit> so possible its the oposite..
2015-12-17 16:18 <djphil> maybee it convert, don't know ... but it do
2015-12-17 16:18 <Ubit> it does a mess processing quads ?
2015-12-17 16:19 <Ubit> it needs to conver
2015-12-17 16:19 <djphil> or convert quand to try
2015-12-17 16:19 <Ubit> uploaded only has tris
2015-12-17 16:19 <nebadon> ya everything always ends up triangles
2015-12-17 16:19 <nebadon> opengl cant really do quads
2015-12-17 16:19 <djphil> ok, but the viewer do this job if you uncheck this blender explort option
2015-12-17 16:19 <Melanie_T> it's not about tris
2015-12-17 16:19 <Melanie_T> a cube has 8 vertices
2015-12-17 16:20 <Melanie_T> no matter if it's triangulated or not
2015-12-17 16:20 <Melanie_T> but is uploaded with 24
2015-12-17 16:20 <nebadon> not if its edge split
2015-12-17 16:20 <nebadon> it would 6 times as many
2015-12-17 16:20 <Melanie_T> yes
2015-12-17 16:20 <Melanie_T> 6, not 3
2015-12-17 16:21 <djphil> ok Mel ... then why 24 and not 8 ?
2015-12-17 16:21 <Ubit> thats her question dj lol
2015-12-17 16:21 <Melanie_T> because it duplicates some vertices in the vertex list
2015-12-17 16:21 <Melanie_T> there is a method to the madness
2015-12-17 16:21 <Melanie_T> but i can't pin it down
2015-12-17 16:22 <Melanie_T> meaning, if I look at the vertex list it looks somewhat regular
2015-12-17 16:22 <Melanie_T> but that;s me seeing it
2015-12-17 16:22 <Melanie_T> but i haven't yet found an algorithmic or methematical relation to explain it
2015-12-17 16:22 <nebadon> sketchup does the same thing when it exports a cube
2015-12-17 16:22 <nebadon> to collada
2015-12-17 16:23 <nebadon> each face is an object
2015-12-17 16:23 <djphil> arfff
2015-12-17 16:23 <Melanie_T> it may simply be a performance thing - the triangle importer only checking back for n vertices in the list before creeating a new one
2015-12-17 16:24 <nebadon> physics collisions are probably faster
2015-12-17 16:24 <nebadon> but would use more memory
2015-12-17 16:24 <Ubit> not on ode
2015-12-17 16:24 <nebadon> ya i guess it depends no the linkset too
2015-12-17 16:24 <nebadon> i meant just for a single cube
2015-12-17 16:24 <nebadon> if its 6 pieces that is
2015-12-17 16:24 <nebadon> you are technically only colliding with one
2015-12-17 16:25 <djphil> Neb : it's amazing that with a greater number of vertices, do the calculations faster ...
2015-12-17 16:25 <nebadon> not totally true
2015-12-17 16:25 <nebadon> a solid cube is 8 vertices
2015-12-17 16:25 <nebadon> a single plane is 4
2015-12-17 16:26 <Ubit> actually a plane has one and a vector :p
2015-12-17 16:27 <nebadon> for mesh? or prim?
2015-12-17 16:27 <Ubit> that is reduced to a vector and a float distance :)
2015-12-17 16:27 <nebadon> oh you mean for physics
2015-12-17 16:27 <Ubit> a true plane..   you meant a quad :)
2015-12-17 16:27 <nebadon> right
2015-12-17 16:27 <nebadon> i was speaking in terms of a 6 object cube
2015-12-17 16:27 <nebadon> like melanie described
2015-12-17 16:27 <djphil> it easier to calculate 4*1 face (cube) than 1*1 cube (8vertices)
2015-12-17 16:28 <nebadon> where each face is a distinc mesh
2015-12-17 16:28 <nebadon> who knows what kind of optimizations LL is doing in the viewer for havok too
2015-12-17 16:29 <djphil> This ties that when you export a mesh with a viewer, you have all the separate sides ... as you said with Sketchup
2015-12-17 16:29 <nebadon> in terms of mesh uploads
2015-12-17 16:29 <nebadon> stuff that would have absolutely no bearing on opensim
2015-12-17 16:29 <Ubit> the main one is using points clouds for the convex hulls
2015-12-17 16:29 <Ubit> or how to call them :)
2015-12-17 16:30 <Ubit> ie convex hulls only have vertices.. no faces on sl meshs
2015-12-17 16:30 <Ubit> ( because havoc can use those directly )
2015-12-17 16:31 <djphil> If I ask question for LOD is because when you import a mesh with FS, you receive a message that says there is no LOD in FS Opensim ... if you want all the options, use FS for SL to perform your imports
2015-12-17 16:32 <Ubit> my fs doesn't say that
2015-12-17 16:32 <nebadon> you are using latest firestorm?
2015-12-17 16:33 <nebadon> I cant tell you for sure, with Replex and Singularity it definitely works
2015-12-17 16:33 <djphil> Maybe you check "Do not show this message" the first time you received it ... so now it will tell you more ...
2015-12-17 16:33 <nebadon> i dont think i have ever really uploaded mesh with firestorm
2015-12-17 16:33 <Ubit> it works with the version for SL and Opensim
2015-12-17 16:33 <nebadon> i cant stand building in firstorm
2015-12-17 16:33 <djphil> yes last FS
2015-12-17 16:33 <Ubit> ( well most the time :) )
2015-12-17 16:33 <djphil> and it seam LOD (from files) work well
2015-12-17 16:34 <nebadon> the thing that doesnt work is the analyze option
2015-12-17 16:34 <djphil> but i recieve the message lol
2015-12-17 16:34 <nebadon> maybe that is what they mean?
2015-12-17 16:34 <nebadon> also thinking maybe a difference in 64 bit vs 32 bit?
2015-12-17 16:34 <nebadon> maybe 64 bit has the message and 32 bit doesnt
2015-12-17 16:35 <djphil> ha yes, maybee. I use 32bits (windows7)
2015-12-17 16:35 <nebadon> i have pretty much stopped using 64 bit viewers
2015-12-17 16:35 <nebadon> see i would have expected 64 bit to be the problem
2015-12-17 16:35 <nebadon> not 32 bit
2015-12-17 16:35 <Ubit> the 64 works 
2015-12-17 16:35 <nebadon> so that seems unlikely
2015-12-17 16:36 <nebadon> ya that is wierd i would have to try uploading with firestorm
2015-12-17 16:36 <nebadon> i honestly do not think i ever have, if i did it was long ago
2015-12-17 16:36 <Ubit> oops doesn't like my old avatar.dae test file anymore
2015-12-17 16:37 <djphil> upload mesh is fine with FS Neb
2015-12-17 16:37 <djphil> if course with replex and singu too
2015-12-17 16:37 <djphil> of*
2015-12-17 16:37 <Ubit> complains about a material 
2015-12-17 16:37 <djphil> but i don't like the material render un singu and replex ...
2015-12-17 16:37 <djphil> FS is better
2015-12-17 16:38 <djphil> (for me)
2015-12-17 16:38 <nebadon> ya thats really only thing i use FS for is pretty videos
2015-12-17 16:38 <djphil> hehe, you agree with me :p
2015-12-17 16:38 <nebadon> I wish we had Firestorm graphics with Replex UI
2015-12-17 16:38 <nebadon> that would be the ultimate viewer
2015-12-17 16:38 <nebadon> replex shadows suck
2015-12-17 16:38 <nebadon> really really reeeeeealy bad
2015-12-17 16:39 <nebadon> kind of grainy and blink 
2015-12-17 16:39 <nebadon> very jagged edges
2015-12-17 16:39 <Ubit> dj i just uploaded a mesh at lbsa with fs 64bits.. no issues
2015-12-17 16:39 <Ubit> ohh its a nice plane
2015-12-17 16:39 <djphil> Recently I appreciate "Alchemy" viewer
2015-12-17 16:40 <djphil> Neb, did you increase anti-aliasing?
2015-12-17 16:40 <nebadon> for shadows?
2015-12-17 16:41 <djphil> yes
2015-12-17 16:41 <nebadon> replex and singularity dont have any shadow settings
2015-12-17 16:41 <nebadon> i guess there are settings in the Debug Menu
2015-12-17 16:41 <Ubit> land impact of 3 :)
2015-12-17 16:41 <djphil> With a clean FS 64bits install Ubit ?
2015-12-17 16:41 <nebadon> but i always seem to make things worse when i adjust those for shadows
2015-12-17 16:41 <Ubit> yeap
2015-12-17 16:41 <Ubit> 4.7.5
2015-12-17 16:41 <nebadon> I should maybe compare with FS
2015-12-17 16:41 <Ubit> but all did work for me 
2015-12-17 16:41 <nebadon> FS has a lot of custom debug stuff though
2015-12-17 16:41 <nebadon> that doesnt line up with older viewers
2015-12-17 16:42 <Ubit> ( well when it doesnt faill with some meshs :) )
2015-12-17 16:42 <nebadon> the only time ive had trouble uploading mesh, was if i exceeded the limits
2015-12-17 16:43 <Ubit> well when i said we don't check meshs at upload.. isn't true
2015-12-17 16:43 <Ubit> 0.9 does very very basic checks
2015-12-17 16:43 <Ubit> like checking if the convex hull is present
2015-12-17 16:43 <djphil> I did not speak additional debugging, just I was talking about anti-aliasing option in the graphical viewer preferences ... I thought it was anti-aliasing for all that the viewer displays (eg: objects, shadows, etc. ...)
2015-12-17 16:44 <nebadon> oh i always have AA set to 16x
2015-12-17 16:44 <nebadon> it makes no difference for shadows
2015-12-17 16:44 <djphil> ha ok
2015-12-17 16:44 <nebadon> in FS there is a lot more settings to adjust shadows
2015-12-17 16:44 <nebadon> and they look very nice
2015-12-17 16:44 <nebadon> compared to Sing/Replex
2015-12-17 16:44 <nebadon> Replex looks like 8bit graphics shadows
2015-12-17 16:44 <nebadon> lol
2015-12-17 16:44 <djphil> yes, youtube have videos to explein that
2015-12-17 16:44 <nebadon> very blocky
2015-12-17 16:45 <nebadon> but for me when i am building
2015-12-17 16:45 <nebadon> i turn shadows off, so no big deal
2015-12-17 16:45 <djphil> sure!
2015-12-17 16:50 <djphil> Ubit : You said earlier that ubODE made basic calculations for Convex Hull. This there a influance on the detection accuracy of the mesh?
2015-12-17 16:51 <djphil> physic accurancy*
2015-12-17 16:51 <Ubit> hmm?  ubOde converts the convex into a mesh
2015-12-17 16:51 <Ubit> because ode doesn't have convex shape suport
2015-12-17 16:52 <Ubit> nopes..  the math is done in floats, starting with 16bit quantities
2015-12-17 16:52 <Ubit> so  don't expect resolution issues
2015-12-17 16:52 <Ubit> hmm think in fact i do a rounding somewhere to reduce math "noise"
2015-12-17 16:52 <djphil> Does physical detection is poorer because of it?
2015-12-17 16:52 <Ubit> not really
2015-12-17 16:53 <djphil> ok lol i just read above
2015-12-17 16:53 <Ubit> in theory convex should colide faster
2015-12-17 16:53 <Ubit> in pratice.. well.. depends :p
2015-12-17 16:53 <djphil> sorry but a need to tranlate a lot of think you say with GTranslator
2015-12-17 16:54 <Ubit> just because of that i dont recomend the use of convex decomposition with ubOde
2015-12-17 16:54 <djphil> i just working to a air race track ... and of course a need a good physic collision detection for it
2015-12-17 16:54 <Ubit> i did test it.. seems to work.. but...  
2015-12-17 16:55 <Ubit> well mesh - mesh collisions are...  hmm lets say ugly
2015-12-17 16:55 <djphil> grrrr
2015-12-17 16:55 <Ubit> you can try to  reduce the ode time strp
2015-12-17 16:55 <Ubit> step
2015-12-17 16:55 <Ubit> it wiil burn more cpu..  but will reduce some bouncing
2015-12-17 16:56 <djphil> for now i'm always on Bullet
2015-12-17 16:56 <djphil> turn on ubODE soon
2015-12-17 16:56 <djphil> for tests
2015-12-17 16:56 <Ubit> ode doesn't have ant ccd code
2015-12-17 16:56 <Ubit> any..
2015-12-17 16:56 <djphil> i try to do something like that
2015-12-17 16:56 <djphil> http://digitalconcepts.free.fr/
2015-12-17 16:57 <djphil> in opensim
2015-12-17 16:57 <Ubit> so the interpenetrations cause by the time sampling show up as ugly bounces
2015-12-17 16:57 <djphil> that easy ... but need good collision detection
2015-12-17 16:57 <Ubit> well that way we have 3 engines :)
2015-12-17 16:57 <Ubit> thats why...
2015-12-17 16:57 <Ubit> none is good for all cases 
2015-12-17 16:57 <djphil> we need only one !!!
2015-12-17 16:58 <djphil> but a good Engine :p
2015-12-17 17:00 <Ubit> hmm this ship possible can be just a sphere or a box
2015-12-17 17:00 <Ubit> damm "destroyed"
2015-12-17 17:01 <djphil> yes or a very low poly mesh
2015-12-17 17:01 <Ubit> mesh can be as you like
2015-12-17 17:01 <Ubit> just set it to type none
2015-12-17 17:01 <Ubit> and use invisible prims as coliders
2015-12-17 17:01 <djphil> but yes, create a cube and link the mesh on hit (and change it to convex hull) is better way
2015-12-17 17:01 <Ubit> no even convex  ...
2015-12-17 17:02 <djphil> on "none" ?
2015-12-17 17:02 <Ubit> use a box as root prim with script
2015-12-17 17:02 <djphil> yes i do that
2015-12-17 17:02 <Ubit> and possibel  2 spheres for thar plave
2015-12-17 17:02 <Ubit> make the prims invisible
2015-12-17 17:02 <Ubit> and set the mesh to type None
2015-12-17 17:02 <djphil> ha type "none", ok
2015-12-17 17:03 <Ubit> use a box and true spheres
2015-12-17 17:03 <djphil> that for Bullet too or only ubODE ?
2015-12-17 17:03 <Ubit> x=y=z
2015-12-17 17:03 <Ubit> for both actually
2015-12-17 17:03 <Ubit> or havoc
2015-12-17 17:03 <Ubit> sphere is the fastest collider
2015-12-17 17:03 <Ubit> then a box
2015-12-17 17:04 <Ubit> ( well a capsule in the middle )
2015-12-17 17:04 <Ubit> ( No holes or other torture )
2015-12-17 17:05 <Ubit> spheres and boxes with no holes etc etc are physics engines primitives 
2015-12-17 17:05 <djphil> hmmm that different what SL wiki say @ http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Physics_Optimization
2015-12-17 17:05 <djphil> it say "Alternatively, all prims could be set to PRIM_PHYSICS_SHAPE_CONVEX_HULL for a potentially more accurate (albeit more expensive) result"
2015-12-17 17:05 <Ubit> ( again i mean true spheres.. )
2015-12-17 17:05 <Ubit> more accurate?? no way :p
2015-12-17 17:06 <Ubit> and a convex is slower than a box or a sphere
2015-12-17 17:06 <djphil> yeah sure
2015-12-17 17:06 <djphil> i will do new tests with mesh set to "none" then
2015-12-17 17:07 <Ubit> guess those ships can be a front sphere. a root prim and a back sphere
2015-12-17 17:07 <Ubit> for physics
2015-12-17 17:07 <Ubit> or 4 spheres.. in same plane
2015-12-17 17:08 <Ubit> guess better than having a fight with the convex the viewer creates
2015-12-17 17:08 <djphil> sphere is better than cube ?
2015-12-17 17:08 <Ubit> yeap
2015-12-17 17:08 <Ubit> a spehre is a point and a distance
2015-12-17 17:08 <djphil> cube is ?
2015-12-17 17:08 <Ubit> a mess lol
2015-12-17 17:09 <djphil> mdr
2015-12-17 17:09 <Ubit> its quads basicly
2015-12-17 17:09 <Ubit> several planes checking.. then cliping to edges.. blabla
2015-12-17 17:09 <djphil> sphere is also more calculationsn no ?
2015-12-17 17:09 <Ubit> less
2015-12-17 17:09 <Ubit> a lot less
2015-12-17 17:10 <djphil> ha ok
2015-12-17 17:10 <djphil> I did not know that ... I've always tried to use preferably cubes
2015-12-17 17:10 <Ubit> ( again x=y=z ) no ideia why sl calls spheres  if not :)
2015-12-17 17:11 <Ubit> with holes or x!=y etc it becames a heavy mesh
2015-12-17 17:11 <djphil> good to know
2015-12-17 17:12 <Ubit> a box can have x !=y != z without cost
2015-12-17 17:12 <Ubit> but any torture and its a mesh again
2015-12-17 17:12 <djphil> from the beginning I am the opposite of what should be done :s
2015-12-17 17:12 <Ubit> everything else == mesh
2015-12-17 17:12 <Ubit> ( capsules are not avaible in world )
2015-12-17 17:12 <Ubit> a capsule is a moving sphere
2015-12-17 17:13 <djphil> always a shpere
2015-12-17 17:13 <Ubit> or a segment plus a distance or other implementations
2015-12-17 17:13 <djphil> viewer can display capsules ?
2015-12-17 17:13 <Ubit> directly no ideia
2015-12-17 17:14 <nebadon> no i dont think it can display the capsule
2015-12-17 17:14 <nebadon> i think if it could we would have better bearing on recreating it
2015-12-17 17:14 <djphil> i don't think too
2015-12-17 17:14 <Ubit> well its not avaiable as prim
2015-12-17 17:14 <Ubit> so you need 2 spheres and a cilinder to make one
2015-12-17 17:15 <nebadon> thats not what the SL capsule looks like
2015-12-17 17:15 <nebadon> from what i recall the SL capsule is kind of diamond shaped
2015-12-17 17:15 <Ubit> that is not a capsule
2015-12-17 17:15 <Ubit> havoc capsule is as i said also
2015-12-17 17:15 <nebadon> its shaped like a pill?
2015-12-17 17:16 <Ubit> a cilinder with half sphres as tops
2015-12-17 17:16 <nebadon> i remember seeing pictures of the SL one
2015-12-17 17:16 <nebadon> and it was not a cylinder
2015-12-17 17:16 <Ubit> ( or a sphere that you move
2015-12-17 17:16 <nebadon> but maybe they changed it too
2015-12-17 17:16 <Ubit> you are talking about a shape they used for avatars
2015-12-17 17:16 <Ubit> thing they returned to the basic capsule
2015-12-17 17:16 <nebadon> I thought that was the capsule no?
2015-12-17 17:16 <nebadon> ah
2015-12-17 17:16 <Ubit> nopes 
2015-12-17 17:16 <nebadon> ok ya it was a while ago i saw it too
2015-12-17 17:17 <Ubit> phsyics capsules are as i said..
2015-12-17 17:17 <nebadon> there has probably been 10 havok upgrades since then
2015-12-17 17:17 <Ubit> ( or whlould be complex shapes. not primitives
2015-12-17 17:17 <Ubit> bc a capsule like this is also fast to collide
2015-12-17 17:17 <djphil> i go recount vertices, see you later
2015-12-17 17:18 <Ubit> well i also tested other shapes for avatars
2015-12-17 17:19 <Ubit> on ubOde
2015-12-17 17:19 <Ubit> gave up and returned to capsule
2015-12-17 17:20 <Ubit> well i did had other shapes even in prodution regions
2015-12-17 17:20 <nebadon> ya i know in opensim it was always the tylenol shape
2015-12-17 17:20 <nebadon> this right > https://fadigeorge.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/droid39.png?w=604
2015-12-17 17:21 <Ubit> by 'i' im mean avination :)
2015-12-17 17:21 <nebadon> this shape
2015-12-17 17:21 <Ubit> yeap
2015-12-17 17:21 <Ubit> a sphere moved along a segment :)
2015-12-17 17:21 <nebadon> ya there used to be a page on the old SL forums
2015-12-17 17:21 <nebadon> that had an image of what the SL capuse was
2015-12-17 17:21 <nebadon> and it was more diamond shaped
2015-12-17 17:21 <nebadon> but i cant even find it anymore
2015-12-17 17:21 <Ubit> or points at same distance from a segment and segment vertices :)
2015-12-17 17:22 <Ubit> ode uses this last ideia to do the collisions
2015-12-17 17:22 <nebadon> it wasnt this exactly
2015-12-17 17:22 <nebadon> https://image.freepik.com/free-icon/diamond-shape_318-39800.jpg
2015-12-17 17:22 <Ubit> hmm well a mix
2015-12-17 17:22 <nebadon> but it was roughly that shape
2015-12-17 17:22 <nebadon> the picture I remember seeing
2015-12-17 17:23 <Ubit> yeap also seen things like taht
2015-12-17 17:23 <Ubit> think SL also tested several solutions
2015-12-17 17:24 <Ubit> we can go there and drop things on a avatar to see :9
2015-12-17 17:25 <Ubit> well going rl instead ;)
2015-12-17 17:30 <nebadon> haha
2015-12-17 18:07 <Ubit> OOops
2015-12-17 18:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #4547 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-17 18:19 <Ubit> hell why we do reprioritize every little 10m movements ?
2015-12-17 18:19 <Ubit> that even doesn't make things change priority
2015-12-17 18:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4547: SUCCESS in 5 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4547/
2015-12-17 18:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: current priority code uses avatar position not camera, so fix reprioritizer. This may need to be reviewed in future.. it should be camera
2015-12-17 18:30 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-17 18:32 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-17 18:38 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-17 18:44 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-17 18:56 <Ubit> oops
2015-12-17 18:59 <djphil> if that work better in ubODE Ubit ? http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6782
2015-12-17 18:59 <Ubit> im fixing a bug i added some days ago...
2015-12-17 18:59 <djphil> kk
2015-12-17 19:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #4548 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-17 19:03 <Ubit> uff add the code to prevent messing  with child paramenters and made the condition wrong :)
2015-12-17 19:04 <Ubit> ok let me see
2015-12-17 19:05 <Ubit> hmm dont understand the issue dj
2015-12-17 19:06 <djphil> prims normally should fall flat on the ground. Here you see that they remain vertical
2015-12-17 19:06 <Plugh> nebadon: I wish we had Firestorm graphics with Replex UI"
2015-12-17 19:06 <Ubit> the image on yr coment doesn't show up
2015-12-17 19:06 <Plugh> nebadon: You want to make yet another OS viewer? ;)
2015-12-17 19:06 <Ubit> ok that should work better on unOde
2015-12-17 19:06 <Ubit> and ubOde
2015-12-17 19:07 <djphil> ha cool, i will test that then :)
2015-12-17 19:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4548: SUCCESS in 5 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4548/
2015-12-17 19:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix silly bug: Dynamics are to apply to root prim not child
2015-12-17 19:08 <Ubit> yeap wrong center of mass on physics
2015-12-17 19:08 <nebadon> haha Plugh, mostly just dreaming
2015-12-17 19:08 <nebadon> I hold very little hope of anyone making the LL viewer better
2015-12-17 19:08 <djphil> yes it seems
2015-12-17 19:09 <Ubit> they fall in odd position also on bullet ?
2015-12-17 19:09 <nebadon> I think its EOL and we need something new
2015-12-17 19:09 <Ubit> (that is typically  a old ode issue .. )
2015-12-17 19:09 <nebadon> sure we can make the UI better
2015-12-17 19:09 <Plugh> nebadon: yea. I find problems with every viewer.
2015-12-17 19:09 <nebadon> but the engine itself
2015-12-17 19:09 <djphil> no tested with sphere pieces Ubit
2015-12-17 19:09 <nebadon> no one seems to have the slightest idea how to improve it
2015-12-17 19:10 <nebadon> no one interested anyway
2015-12-17 19:10 <djphil> just tried to piece of a cube to explode a road
2015-12-17 19:10 <Ubit> ( same issue dj with all prims  ode lets them in odd positions bc doesnt go a good center of mass )
2015-12-17 19:10 <nebadon> its not that its bad I think the viewer does what it does amazingly well
2015-12-17 19:11 <nebadon> but the graphics are dated
2015-12-17 19:11 <nebadon> there is no denying that
2015-12-17 19:11 <nebadon> we need better particle system
2015-12-17 19:11 <Ubit> ( a cube to explode a road? dinamite cube? )
2015-12-17 19:11 <nebadon> possibly augmented physics
2015-12-17 19:11 <nebadon> server and viewer side
2015-12-17 19:12 <Ubit> particles on server? no no thx :p
2015-12-17 19:12 <nebadon> no the viewer
2015-12-17 19:12 <djphil> i use brokenlink to explode de cube Ubit
2015-12-17 19:12 <nebadon> the particle system is so weak right now
2015-12-17 19:12 <nebadon> its like throw a bag of glitter in the air
2015-12-17 19:12 <djphil> llBreakLink*
2015-12-17 19:12 <nebadon> thats about the extent of particles
2015-12-17 19:13 <Ubit> well things like that is where major physics engines fight now
2015-12-17 19:13 <Ubit> better smoke.. smog.. etc
2015-12-17 19:13 <nebadon> yea
2015-12-17 19:13 <nebadon> particles are one place voxels shine
2015-12-17 19:13 <nebadon> for stuff like smoke and fire
2015-12-17 19:14 <nebadon> but its heavy processing too
2015-12-17 19:14 <Ubit> well they now do almost full fluid dinamics
2015-12-17 19:14 <Ubit> yr presence and movement moves the smoke
2015-12-17 19:14 <nebadon> ya stuff like that would be pretty cool
2015-12-17 19:15 <nebadon> just better control of particles would go a long way
2015-12-17 19:15 <Ubit> make a viewer using physX or havoc :)
2015-12-17 19:15 <nebadon> ya thats the kind of stuff we could do in a new viewer
2015-12-17 19:15 <nebadon> even bullet would be fine
2015-12-17 19:15 <Ubit> ( last pub i seen on that was on those )
2015-12-17 19:15 <nebadon> a lot of games use bullet on the client
2015-12-17 19:15 <Ubit> yeap guess it does it also
2015-12-17 19:16 <Ubit> i just seen pub of the other 2
2015-12-17 19:17 <Ubit> err DJ that issue is on bullet ?
2015-12-17 19:18 <djphil> yes
2015-12-17 19:18 <Ubit> strange..
2015-12-17 19:18 <djphil> no tested yet in ubODE
2015-12-17 19:18 <Ubit> well that was a reason for me to split ubMeshmerizer
2015-12-17 19:18 <Ubit> i get info from it for the center of mass
2015-12-17 19:19 <djphil> this mantis is assigned to Robert for a log time ago ... that why a ask
2015-12-17 19:19 <Ubit> to fork. i mean
2015-12-17 19:19 <Ubit> well ubOde center of mass should work close to sl
2015-12-17 19:19 <Ubit> some diferences, of course
2015-12-17 19:20 <Ubit> meshs aren't created identical.. math is diferent etc
2015-12-17 19:20 <djphil> ok
2015-12-17 19:20 <Ubit> ohh see a case where it fails lol
2015-12-17 19:21 <Ubit> AHHH
2015-12-17 19:21 <Ubit> fixed seconds later lol
2015-12-17 19:22 <Ubit> ( i had to move the avatar to make some wind to move it )
2015-12-17 19:22 <Ubit> ( kidding ;) )
2015-12-17 19:22 <djphil> hahaha, great !
2015-12-17 19:22 <Ubit> just the center of mass  math isn't great on some shapes
2015-12-17 19:23 <Ubit> well the simple math i used
2015-12-17 19:23 <djphil> ok ... a cube is a basic
2015-12-17 19:23 <Ubit> yeap found a critical case
2015-12-17 19:24 <Ubit> the thing stays on a unrealistic balance
2015-12-17 19:24 <djphil> the problem appears when the premium is cut into many pieces as you can see on my screenshot
2015-12-17 19:24 <Ubit> well im just testing simple prim cuts
2015-12-17 19:25 <djphil> so, stay vertical is unrealistic ... unless you have alot of luck
2015-12-17 19:25 <Ubit> yeap
2015-12-17 19:25 <Ubit> happens if the center of mass is just above the suporting edge
2015-12-17 19:26 <Ubit> unrealistic bc in RL just air around will break that balance
2015-12-17 19:26 <djphil> what appears to be the case with cut prim
2015-12-17 19:27 <Ubit> old ode doesn't see the cuts i think
2015-12-17 19:27 <Ubit> ( for center of mass )
2015-12-17 19:28 <djphil> i hope this is better now :)
2015-12-17 19:28 <Ubit> im considering  a bypass to physics center of mass and inertia math
2015-12-17 19:29 <Ubit> allowing a script to set those
2015-12-17 19:29 <Ubit> so we do not depend on always broken estimations
2015-12-17 19:30 <Ubit> and also you can tune those parameters on a vehicle
2015-12-17 19:30 <Ubit> without adding or changing prims
2015-12-17 19:30 <djphil> that a new os function ?
2015-12-17 19:30 <Ubit> yeap
2015-12-17 19:30 <Ubit> have that ideia for some time
2015-12-17 19:30 <Ubit> but it takes some messing around a several areas :)
2015-12-17 19:31 <Ubit> ossl,  framework, databases, physics..
2015-12-17 19:31 <Melanie_T> well, it could be used as a test case for the new stuff that was added
2015-12-17 19:32 <Ubit> just think it was a LL mistake  using the prims as real things
2015-12-17 19:32 <Melanie_T> using the dynamic script methos stuff and the name/value store
2015-12-17 19:32 <Ubit> well the materilals used that
2015-12-17 19:32 <Melanie_T> you could have a PhysicsScriptingModule
2015-12-17 19:32 <Melanie_T> that does these things
2015-12-17 19:32 <Ubit> and possible need to use again
2015-12-17 19:32 <Melanie_T> without ever touching the OSSL_Api.cs file
2015-12-17 19:33 <Melanie_T> it's possible with the current codebase to do that
2015-12-17 19:33 <Ubit> hmm how whould builders set the parameters without ossl or cm ?
2015-12-17 19:34 <Ubit> and sure its possible... just a thing i need to get courage to do lol
2015-12-17 19:38 <djphil> 
ACTION give courrage and a lot of coffee to Ubit

2015-12-17 19:44 <Ubit> ty
2015-12-17 19:45 <Ubit> 
ACTION takes the coffee and hides at a corner

2015-12-17 19:49 <Ubit> grrr why dont some of the lbsa sits rez for me
2015-12-17 19:50 <Ubit> ufff moved far away from them and they rezzed
2015-12-17 19:51 <Ubit> something odd on FS lod
2015-12-17 19:52 <Ubit> hmm sculps
2015-12-17 19:52 <Ubit> and phantom
2015-12-17 19:53 <Ubit> and scripted..
2015-12-17 19:53 <Ubit> hmm guess viewer doesnt consider script on lod
2015-12-17 19:54 <lillith_xue> This quite often happens in fs, mostly a simple right-click shows the object.
2015-12-17 19:54 <Ubit> yeap or wireframe
2015-12-17 19:55 <Ubit> well and almost always looses attachments
2015-12-17 19:55 <lillith_xue> i mean, if you right click it it shows completely not only the wireframe
2015-12-17 19:55 <Ubit> i know
2015-12-17 19:56 <lillith_xue> for me that often happens to things that are already in the viewer cache. Highest chanse on Mesh
2015-12-17 19:56 <Ubit> i don't mention click bc on some clicks region does send a new update
2015-12-17 19:56 <Ubit> so its not a full debug for me
2015-12-17 19:56 <Ubit> while wireframe is a pure viewer side
2015-12-17 19:57 <lillith_xue> nor sure if its a opensim bug, since firestorm also has its issues with lod on rigged mesh
2015-12-17 19:57 <Ubit> but yeap click solves faster if you know where to click :)
2015-12-17 19:57 <Ubit> i see it also at fs
2015-12-17 19:57 <Ubit> including on a FS  region lol
2015-12-17 19:57 <Ubit>  mean at sl
2015-12-17 19:58 <Ubit> they have mesh sits..  they always fail also
2015-12-17 19:58 <lillith_xue> hmm can't say if that happens in sl too. But the rigged-lod issue i've also seen in sl
2015-12-17 19:59 <Ubit> well i have a open issue on fs about crashs with large regions
2015-12-17 19:59 <Ubit> don't want to open other while they don't touch on that
2015-12-17 19:59 <Ubit> on fs JIra i mean
2015-12-17 20:00 <Ubit> ( and attachments are a old fs issue )
2015-12-17 20:01 <lillith_xue> i wonder if noone noticed this yet
2015-12-17 20:03 <Ubit> for some reason seems to happen more on opensim
2015-12-17 20:03 <Ubit> possible bc SL now uses the interest lists control
2015-12-17 20:04 <Ubit> but should not cuase this
2015-12-17 20:04 <lillith_xue> maybe becuase many region's load less fast?
2015-12-17 20:04 <Ubit> when sl wants viewer to display something it sends same thing we do
2015-12-17 20:05 <Ubit> well they do send things with a distance and size related order
2015-12-17 20:05 <Ubit> we send half random
2015-12-17 20:05 <Ubit> but should not matter either
2015-12-17 20:06 <Ubit> we do send root prims first etc
2015-12-17 20:06 <Ubit> other odd issue now with all viewers is the bottom part of my pants
2015-12-17 20:06 <Ubit> :)
2015-12-17 20:06 <lillith_xue> i mean that many regions run on slower server's with slower connection. Compared to sl
2015-12-17 20:07 <Ubit> or any basic pants
2015-12-17 20:07 <Ubit> mb slower is better for viewers actually :)
2015-12-17 20:08 <Ubit> it you talk with a fs helper the first thing he says its to reduce bandwith to 800kbps
2015-12-17 20:08 <lillith_xue> is mesh-loading http? Between Viewer and Region?
2015-12-17 20:08 <Ubit> wireframes shows the things.. so viewer has them all
2015-12-17 20:09 <Ubit> ( not my pants.. thats another odd issue around some visualparameters )
2015-12-17 21:00 <Melanie_T> Ubit: what I meant is that you can add an OSSL function without actually placing it in OSSL_Api.cs
2015-12-17 21:00 <Melanie_T> script methods can be defined by any module
2015-12-17 21:09 <Rodger> anyone compile firestorm autobuild is broken
2015-12-17 21:09 <Rodger> AttributeError: 'dict' object has no attribute 'version'
2015-12-17 21:28 <Rodger> anyone know what this means i need to know
2015-12-17 21:28 <Rodger> http://pastebin.com/HJJVJxtf
2015-12-17 21:54 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-17 22:18 <Rodger> google is useless
2015-12-17 22:18 <Rodger> how do i fix CMake Error: Could not create named generator Visual Studio 12
2015-12-17 22:19 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-17 22:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #4549 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-17 22:36 <Plugh> Rodger what are you trying to compile?
2015-12-17 22:37 <Rodger> firestrom i have all versions of visual studio installed but cmake says its not
2015-12-17 22:38 <Rodger> CMake Error: Could not create named generator Visual Studio 12
2015-12-17 22:38 <Ubit> i failed trying to compile it
2015-12-17 22:39 <Ubit> with its settings my enviroment refused to compile for 32bits
2015-12-17 22:39 <Rodger> well it does not help that they do not update the build instructions and when they do they dont work
2015-12-17 22:39 <Ubit> 64bits "exploded" completly
2015-12-17 22:39 <Rodger> yes but whats with cmake error?
2015-12-17 22:39 <Rodger> i cant generate the sln
2015-12-17 22:39 <Ubit> the autobuild failed
2015-12-17 22:39 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-17 22:40 <Rodger> autobuild did not fail cmake failed
2015-12-17 22:40 <Ubit> mine didn't like the version on the xml file
2015-12-17 22:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4549: SUCCESS in 5 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4549/
2015-12-17 22:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove the unused OBB physics parameters export, since they aren't actually usefull outside ubOde
2015-12-17 22:40 <Plugh> Rodger: Getting a viewer to build can be quite a challenge.
2015-12-17 22:40 <Ubit> then on 32bits cmake failed bc the enviroment refused to compile in 32bits
2015-12-17 22:40 <Plugh> The usual problem is getting the dependencies you need.
2015-12-17 22:41 <Ubit> my vs2010, 13 ot 15
2015-12-17 22:41 <Rodger> i have all dependancy
2015-12-17 22:41 <Ubit> err it doesn't suport 2010 anymore
2015-12-17 22:41 <Rodger> i have 2010 2012 2013 pluse latest beta
2015-12-17 22:42 <Rodger> all full versions not express
2015-12-17 22:42 <Plugh> I've built a viewer for 64-bit but only under Linux. Never tried building it under Windows.
2015-12-17 22:42 <Plugh> What set of instructions are you following to compile the viewer for Windows?
2015-12-17 22:42 <Rodger> http://wiki.phoenixviewer.com/fs_compiling_firestorm_windows_simple
2015-12-17 22:43 <Rodger> followed sl for installing autobuild using pip
2015-12-17 22:43 <Plugh> One of the first things to do is look for a date on the page.
2015-12-17 22:43 <Plugh> oh, it was last modified at the beginning of this year so the information should be up to date.
2015-12-17 22:44 <Rodger> its not
2015-12-17 22:44 <Rodger> if it was it would work for me
2015-12-17 22:44 <Plugh> yea. At the top of the page it says to use VS2010.
2015-12-17 22:45 <Ubit> vs2010 whould possible work
2015-12-17 22:45 <Rodger> yes i have them all so the problem is cmake
2015-12-17 22:45 <Ubit> but it doesnt suport 2010 now it seems
2015-12-17 22:45 <Rodger> cmake cant make generator
2015-12-17 22:46 <Ubit> there a fs channel here
2015-12-17 22:47 <Ubit> #phoenixviewer
2015-12-17 22:47 <Ubit> #phoenixviewer-dev
2015-12-17 22:47 <Ubit> #phoenixviewer-dev
2015-12-17 22:47 <Ubit> oops
2015-12-17 22:47 <Ubit> 2 channels :)
2015-12-17 22:47 <Plugh> Rodger: FYI, there is another set of viewer build info for Windows you could try if you are really stuck. It is for building Singularity. I've found their Linux instructions worked for me for both Sing and FS so maybe their Windows information may also work for FS.
2015-12-17 22:47 <Plugh> http://www.singularityviewer.org/kb/build-windows
2015-12-17 22:48 <Ubit> singu builds in a diferent way
2015-12-17 22:48 <Plugh> Not under Linux it didn't.
2015-12-17 22:48 <Ubit> it does in win
2015-12-17 22:48 <Ubit> and works ok with vs2010
2015-12-17 22:48 <Plugh> well, that's Windows. ;)
2015-12-17 22:50 <Plugh> Rodger: What step are you on in the FS build information?
2015-12-17 22:51 <Rodger> autobuild configure -c ReleaseFS_open
2015-12-17 22:52 <Rodger> I built fmodex
2015-12-17 22:52 <Rodger> this command failes
2015-12-17 22:52 <Rodger> autobuild configure -c ReleaseFS_open
2015-12-17 22:52 <Ubit> ( singu uses "python indra\develop.py..."  to create the sln file etc )
2015-12-17 22:52 <Plugh> BTW, I looked up the error you mentioned and found this page -> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16073040/call-cmake-from-python-script-results-in-could-not-create-named-generator
2015-12-17 22:53 <Plugh> It mentions having a space after the -G argument to cmake.
2015-12-17 22:53 <Rodger> http://pastebin.com/mD0D324M
2015-12-17 22:53 <Rodger> i saw stackexchange article it was useless
2015-12-17 22:54 <Ubit> 26.CMake Error: Could not create named generator Visual Studio 12   seems it does not suport 2012
2015-12-17 22:54 <Rodger> i want it to use 2013
2015-12-17 22:54 <Rodger> thats waht fs says to use
2015-12-17 22:54 <Rodger> i have it installed
2015-12-17 22:55 <Ubit> well i already deleted it from disk
2015-12-17 22:55 <Ubit> i did manage to get it compile for 64bits
2015-12-17 22:56 <Ubit> then tons of compile errors.. so ' gave up
2015-12-17 23:00 <Plugh> Rogder no other warnings or errors before this failure?
2015-12-17 23:00 <Rodger> no
2015-12-17 23:02 <Plugh> Are you running a 32 or 64 bit version of Windows? 
2015-12-17 23:03 <Rodger> 64\
2015-12-17 23:03 <Plugh> You can double check you added the right settings to the path variable for the version of Windows you are using and that you are asking to build for a target with the same number of bits.
2015-12-17 23:03 <Rodger> i am building 32
2015-12-17 23:04 <Rodger> i have all 32 and 64bit versions of the dependancy
2015-12-17 23:05 <Plugh> ok. Are you using the extra path settings for 32-bit Windows?
2015-12-17 23:05 <Rodger> the paths are correct
2015-12-17 23:05 <Rodger> its good up to making the sln
2015-12-17 23:06 <Plugh> As long as that initial warning is really nothing to worry about.
2015-12-17 23:06 <Rodger> the warning i get is fatal
2015-12-17 23:06 <Plugh> That was an error not a warning that stopped the build.
2015-12-17 23:07 <Plugh> If you could get it to run in verbose mode you could see what command(s) it is issuing to make the .sln file.
2015-12-17 23:08 <Plugh> That would let you see if there is something wrong with the command it is trying to use, or with the environment expected by the command.
2015-12-17 23:08 <Plugh> I think thats about all the help/suggestions I can offer for a Windows build.
2015-12-17 23:08 <Rodger> nope
2015-12-17 23:10 <Plugh> You could hack the build files to spit out the commands so you could run them manually. 
2015-12-17 23:10 <Rodger> the problem at this point is with firestorm devs
2015-12-17 23:10 <Plugh> Your other best bet is what Ubit suggested earlier. Go to the FS IRC channel and ask the people there.
2015-12-17 23:11 <Rodger> no help no responces to qustions and way outdated and incorrect build instructions
2015-12-17 23:12 <Plugh> You could try the Sing build info. Can't hurt since the FS build isn't working for you. Worse the Sing one will do is also fail.
2015-12-17 23:12 <Rodger> since this is using autobuild i cant find out what commands are called
2015-12-17 23:12 <Ubit> singu is nice
2015-12-17 23:12 <Ubit> even gets all the dependencies automaticly
2015-12-17 23:12 <Rodger> but not what is needed 
2015-12-17 23:13 <Plugh> Rodger: How long did you want for a response from the FS people?
2015-12-17 23:13 <Plugh> s/want/wait/
2015-12-17 23:14 <Rodger> i have to compile fs as my opensim has a unique protection system 
2015-12-17 23:14 <Rodger> i sent emails and ims over the cource of 4 month
2015-12-17 23:14 <Plugh> ok
2015-12-17 23:16 <Plugh> I'm slightly surprised that there was no response from the FS mailing list to any of your emails.
2015-12-17 23:16 <Rodger> only slightly :)
2015-12-17 23:17 <Plugh> As to the IRC all you can do is ask at different times and wait a few hours each time for signs of life.
2015-12-17 23:18 <Plugh> Or hang out in the channel until you see meaningful discussions going on about FS and then ask and see if that gets you a response
2015-12-17 23:19 <Plugh> Another site with comments about building FS is here ->https://beccapet.wordpress.com/2014/02/23/compiling-your-own-viewer/
2015-12-17 23:19 <Plugh> Its a couple years old. Not sure if that has anything you would find useful.
2015-12-17 23:21 <Plugh> I also found this page with a set of build instructions -> http://www.dhkaufmann.de/BuildFirestorm_new.txt
2015-12-17 23:22 <Ubit> Download the fallowing patches for Visual Studio 2005   ??
2015-12-17 23:22 <Ubit> kinda old :)
2015-12-17 23:22 <Plugh> Rodger, my dinner is almost ready. Good luck. You will probably need it. :)  I tried to build a viewer under Linux (off and on) over the course of a couple(?) of years before I finally succeeded.
2015-12-17 23:23 <Plugh> Ubit, :)
2015-12-17 23:25 <Rodger> this might help looks like windows shows 2012 installed but its not listed in add remove programs
2015-12-17 23:28 <Plugh> bbl
2015-12-17 23:44 <LiruCookies> myaaan
2015-12-17 23:49 <notskittles> airbrakes, liru, airbrakes.
2015-12-17 23:51 -!- IgorVorotiloff(~GuyCharle@unaffiliated/igorvorotiloff) has left #opensim-dev
2015-12-17 23:52 <LiruCookies> Yes, airbrakes
2015-12-17 23:52 <LiruCookies> What the world needs now is airbrakes, more than life itself.
2015-12-17 23:55 <Rodger> at last it works
2015-12-17 23:55 <Rodger> plugh the cmake version they list is wrong you need latest
2015-12-18 00:20 <nebadon> anyone have any insight on this "Project Bento Skeleton"?
2015-12-18 00:20 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-18 00:20 <LiruCookies> Bones for lunch, anyone?
2015-12-18 00:20 <nebadon> https://community.secondlife.com/t5/Featured-News/Introducing-Project-Bento-New-Bones-Added-to-Second-Life-Avatar/ba-p/2987206
2015-12-18 00:20 <nebadon> hehe
2015-12-18 00:22 <djphil> cool
2015-12-18 00:25 <djphil> very cool there for the face and for the hands ... I was looking forward to creating great avatars with animated hands. This will be possible with Bento
2015-12-18 00:26 <djphil> (i have downloaded the angel .blend)
2015-12-18 00:27 <djphil> now need to understand how it work ... hope it is similar to other bones
2015-12-18 00:29 <djphil> this one is very nice for facial animations and avatars morphing Neb, if you know ... http://cool3dworld.com/
2015-12-18 00:29 <djphil> i love it!
2015-12-18 00:35 <nebadon> lol
2015-12-18 00:35 <nebadon> so wierd
2015-12-18 00:39 <djphil> facials animations are awesome
2015-12-18 00:40 <djphil> i imagine morph ruth ro bunny
2015-12-18 00:40 <djphil> to*
2015-12-18 00:44 <Plugh> nebadon: Oh, wonderful. 13 new attachment points :P
2015-12-18 00:49 <djphil> yeah and 79 new bones !!!
2015-12-18 00:50 <djphil> that to be added to the ultimate singu viewer lol
2015-12-18 02:15 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-18 02:26 <SammyG3> Rockon71
2015-12-18 02:26 <SammyG3> oops, ignore
2015-12-18 02:56 <osmantis> Bug #7783:04 Overloading PhysicsEngine with ray casts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7783 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-12-18 03:03 <osmantis> Bug #7784:04 Scripts do not reset with llResetScript 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7784 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-12-18 07:02 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-18 10:07 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-18 18:20 <djphil> nebadon : Black Dragon shadows settings
2015-12-18 18:21 <djphil> http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/81251220151218191054.png
2015-12-18 18:21 <djphil> and it have Volumetric Lighting too :)
2015-12-18 18:21 <djphil> only mirror is missing ...
2015-12-18 18:26 <nebadon> nice shame it has no opensim support :(
2015-12-18 18:29 <djphil> yeah :s
2015-12-18 18:37 <djphil> but Black Dragon source code is Open Source ... :p
2015-12-18 18:38 <nebadon> is it an approved TPV though?
2015-12-18 18:38 <nebadon> i have not looked at the SL viewer page in years
2015-12-18 18:38 <djphil> what is a "tpv" ?
2015-12-18 18:38 <nebadon> third party viewer
2015-12-18 18:39 <nebadon> LL has to approve them
2015-12-18 18:39 <nebadon> otherwise there may be unsafe code 
2015-12-18 18:39 <nebadon> that cant be included in TPVs
2015-12-18 18:39 <djphil> ha yes ... don't know if is a "official" tpv ...
2015-12-18 18:39 <nebadon> if its listed on the LL website it is
2015-12-18 18:39 <nebadon> i have no idea where to even look on the website anymore
2015-12-18 18:40 <nebadon> its so different i cant find anything there anymore hehe
2015-12-18 18:40 <nebadon> there doesnt even appear to be a download link anymore
2015-12-18 18:40 <djphil> https://bitbucket.org/NiranV/black-dragon-viewer
2015-12-18 18:40 <nebadon> oh i see it, not obvious at all
2015-12-18 18:41 <nebadon> yep it is listed
2015-12-18 18:41 <djphil> it say is a fork of LindenLab
2015-12-18 18:42 <nebadon> yes I wonder if its like SL
2015-12-18 18:42 <djphil> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Third_Party_Viewer_Directory/Black_Dragon
2015-12-18 18:42 <nebadon> and has the havok stuff included
2015-12-18 18:42 <nebadon> may be why no one is porting code to other tpvs
2015-12-18 18:43 <nebadon> Blackdragon used to be Nirans
2015-12-18 18:43 <nebadon> Nirans used to be the best viewer there was
2015-12-18 18:43 <nebadon> until LL forced removal of loginURI stuff
2015-12-18 18:44 <djphil> Yeah Niran is nice
2015-12-18 18:44 <nebadon> ya Black Dragon is Niran
2015-12-18 18:44 <nebadon> same person
2015-12-18 18:44 <nebadon> they just changed name of viewer
2015-12-18 18:45 <djphil> not sure Niran have volumetric Lighting ...
2015-12-18 18:45 <djphil> i know it have nive dep of field
2015-12-18 18:45 <djphil> deep*
2015-12-18 18:45 <nebadon> yes nirans stopped being updated when they switched name
2015-12-18 18:45 <djphil> ha oki
2015-12-18 18:45 <nebadon> it literally is the same viewer just renamed
2015-12-18 18:45 <nebadon> im sure its changed a lot since name changed
2015-12-18 18:46 <nebadon> but its the same project
2015-12-18 18:46 <djphil> Don't use it often because is not opensim compatible ...
2015-12-18 18:46 <djphil> but good to know these stuffs are implemented !
2015-12-18 18:54 <nebadon> yea, Firestorm has fairly good shadow control too
2015-12-18 18:56 <djphil> yes, the shadow is pretty slick
2015-12-18 18:57 <nebadon> I would use firestorm more if it has the v1 style interface as an option
2015-12-18 18:57 <nebadon> I still feel very uncomfortable with the newer layouts
2015-12-18 18:58 <nebadon> as much as I tried to be efficient with it, I still find it very frustrating to use
2015-12-18 18:58 <nebadon> for building anyway
2015-12-18 18:58 <nebadon> for exploring its fine
2015-12-18 18:59 <nebadon> which i think is like 95% of FS users are likely not builders
2015-12-18 18:59 <nebadon> they are just exploring SL
2015-12-18 19:00 <nebadon> I think we are definitely at a tipping point though
2015-12-18 19:00 <djphil> you can select different style on startup
2015-12-18 19:00 <nebadon> when I can not have better graphics on my Nvidia Shield Tablet using Unity
2015-12-18 19:00 <nebadon> than i can acheive on my desktop using opensim
2015-12-18 19:00 <nebadon> not=now*
2015-12-18 19:01 <nebadon> we are at a point now if we don't find better tech to use for viewer the future of this project is bleak at best
2015-12-18 19:01 <nebadon> my opinion anyway
2015-12-18 19:02 <djphil> I am a builder and I find easy to use FS. The editor should me more because some are more direct access than the old v1. I think it is also a matter of getting used to change ...
2015-12-18 19:04 <nebadon> ya its all preference
2015-12-18 19:04 <nebadon> i am just not nearly as efficient
2015-12-18 19:05 <nebadon> i still use firestorm, just not for building
2015-12-18 19:05 <nebadon> just machinima / recording etc..
2015-12-18 19:31 <Plugh> Um... "Could not load an ISimulationDataService implementation from OpenSim.Services.Connectors.dll:SimulationDataService, as configured in the LocalServiceModule parameter of the [SimulationDataStore] config section."
2015-12-18 19:32 <Plugh> What the ...? This is my standalone of 0.8.0 that had been working fine. I'm not sure if this is first time I've tried to use it since switching to newer mono to build 0.8.2 and master.
2015-12-18 19:32 <nebadon> that usually means you did not select the type of simulator at bottom of OpenSim.ini
2015-12-18 19:32 <nebadon> for architecture
2015-12-18 19:33 <nebadon> or you forgot to rename the example file in config-include
2015-12-18 19:33 <Plugh> Already checked the include at the bottom.
2015-12-18 19:33 <nebadon> i cant think of any other reasons of the top of my head
2015-12-18 19:33 <Plugh> This isn't a fresh install of 080. This is my 080 install I've been using a lot.
2015-12-18 19:33 <nebadon> generally its a misconfigure
2015-12-18 19:34 <nebadon> odd
2015-12-18 19:34 <nebadon> you didnt overwrite grid.ini or standalone.ini?
2015-12-18 19:34 <nebadon> did you with old version
2015-12-18 19:34 <Plugh> yea, but I can't immediately understand why it stopped working.
2015-12-18 19:35 <nebadon> you should never carry forward grid.ini or standalone.ini or their hypergrid counterparts
2015-12-18 19:35 <Plugh> Not that I can tell. The settings appear to be ok. I don't put settings in the dir where I do the builds. I use a separate dir for running OS and that is where I put the config files.
2015-12-18 19:35 <nebadon> ya me too
2015-12-18 19:35 <nebadon> it must be some kind of config issue though
2015-12-18 19:36 <nebadon> you made sure the paths have been adjusted correctly in the ini files?
2015-12-18 19:36 <nebadon> i would assume so if its configs that were already in use
2015-12-18 19:36 <Plugh> I know. OS is really bad at telling you what's really wrong.
2015-12-18 19:36 <nebadon> ya more likely nini
2015-12-18 19:36 <nebadon> is bad at it
2015-12-18 19:38 <Plugh> I'm checking for unterminated strings even though I don't think I changed anything in that file recently.
2015-12-18 19:38 <linkedinyou> Plugh: expose more details as connectors many things
2015-12-18 19:38 <Plugh> linkedinyou: Sorry, I don't understand that comment.
2015-12-18 19:39 <Rodger> Plugh i got that erro many times while upgrading i found it was eather i for got to configure the database left commented out or when keeping ini i found that they changed the dll name for that and estates so i had to change them
2015-12-18 19:39 <linkedinyou> i mean logfile can tell us how we guide you to solve it
2015-12-18 19:40 <linkedinyou> you need more log4net errors to tell
2015-12-18 19:40 <linkedinyou> LocalServiceModule it load many services
2015-12-18 19:41 <Plugh> Console says "Console log level is ALL", "Logging started to file ...", "[Application]", then blammo. Red text with exception.
2015-12-18 19:41 <linkedinyou> pastebin red text
2015-12-18 19:41 <Plugh> on line 281 of OpenSimBase.cs
2015-12-18 19:44 <linkedinyou> you are using master?
2015-12-18 19:44 <Plugh> http://www.pastebin.ca/3291699
2015-12-18 19:45 <Plugh> linkedinyou: No. This is my 080PF that I've had configured and running for a long time. I rebuilt it a couple days ago and updated to pick up the half-dozen or so recent commits to 080PF.
2015-12-18 19:46 <linkedinyou> line 281 telling     List<string> topics = GetHelpTopics();
2015-12-18 19:46 <linkedinyou> right?
2015-12-18 19:49 <Plugh> In which file?
2015-12-18 19:51 <linkedinyou> Performs initialisation of the scene, such as loading configuration from disk. << commets says it is disk loading issue i guess might be permissions
2015-12-18 19:51 <Plugh> Line 281 in OpenSimBase.cs is a closing brace.
2015-12-18 19:52 <nebadon> what about +/- a line
2015-12-18 19:52 <nebadon> maybe next you could post your ini files
2015-12-18 19:52 <nebadon> if that is ok
2015-12-18 19:52 <nebadon> we could have a look
2015-12-18 19:52 <Plugh> yea, what linkedinyou said is about 4 lines down.
2015-12-18 19:52 <nebadon> sometimes its something super stupid
2015-12-18 19:52 <nebadon> like a typo
2015-12-18 19:52 <nebadon> i cant tell you how many times ive had similar problem only to have someone here point out a typo
2015-12-18 19:53 <linkedinyou> yeah neb right sometime a space terminate your app
2015-12-18 19:53 <Plugh> bbiab. I need to deal with the darn cat that is calling for me. grrr.
2015-12-18 19:55 <linkedinyou> i advise everyone to use visual studio proffessional 2015 for debugging
2015-12-18 19:58 <linkedinyou> Plugh: you have issue in directory configuration fix it
2015-12-18 20:02 <Plugh> linkedinyou: I can't use VS. I'm not running Linux.
2015-12-18 20:04 <Plugh> Thank for your thoughts. I'm going to leave it for a while. Its only about an hour before it will start getting dark outside so I'm going to take a break and go for a walk.
2015-12-18 20:04 <linkedinyou> i use OpenSUSE and still use windows for debugging but wish i can use navicat for debugging too
2015-12-18 20:05 <linkedinyou> Ubit :)
2015-12-18 20:50 <linkedinyou> do we need to make json-rpc API or it is already there i am lost in LitJson and NewtonSoftJson to get something in sjon format from the database
2015-12-18 20:50 <linkedinyou> i have asked many time here about json-rpc but no answer
2015-12-18 22:42 <Plugh> 3rd Rock recently sent an email to their users mentioning they have found the error in the code thats causing  attachments to become dislodged across sim boundaries. Is that a problem that has been fixed in master?
2015-12-18 22:43 <Ubit> see no reports on that
2015-12-18 22:43 <nebadon> i have never lost an attachment on border cross if all regions are on the same version
2015-12-18 22:43 <nebadon> what version do they run?
2015-12-18 22:43 <nebadon> are they close to master?
2015-12-18 22:43 <nebadon> i kind of remember them being a bit behind 
2015-12-18 22:43 <Plugh> They are running 0.8.2
2015-12-18 22:43 <Ubit> hmm there was one or early merge 
2015-12-18 22:44 <nebadon> ok so then they are farily current
2015-12-18 22:44 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-12-18 22:44 <nebadon> ive not heard or seen of that myself
2015-12-18 22:45 <Plugh> I can make further enquiries about that the next time I'm talking with one of the people who run 3rd Rock.
2015-12-18 22:46 <Plugh> nebadon: You haven't heard of that problem with current code?
2015-12-18 22:47 <nebadon> I have not
2015-12-18 22:47 <Plugh> ok.
2015-12-18 22:48 <Plugh> I'll see what I can find out.
2015-12-18 22:48 <nebadon> k cool
2015-12-18 22:49 <Ubit> what hell changed the password twice at osgrid and still fails
2015-12-18 22:49 <nebadon> the viewer can only handle i think 12 characters
2015-12-18 22:49 <nebadon> maybe 15
2015-12-18 22:50 <nebadon> that seems to get people a lot
2015-12-18 22:50 <Ubit> its smaller
2015-12-18 22:52 <Ubit> 3rd time..  fail
2015-12-18 22:53 <Ubit> ufff
2015-12-18 22:54 <nebadon> i just changed a test account password on website
2015-12-18 22:54 <nebadon> and it worked ok for me
2015-12-18 22:54 <nebadon> logged right in
2015-12-18 23:14 <Ubit> Yipppie fixed
2015-12-18 23:14 <Ubit> :)
2015-12-18 23:32 <nebadon> you think the amount of friends a person has could impact logging out?
2015-12-18 23:32 <nebadon> on their friends list
2015-12-18 23:32 <Ubit> yeap
2015-12-18 23:32 <nebadon> i just noticed with my tester account who has like 2 friends
2015-12-18 23:32 <Ubit> hugw
2015-12-18 23:32 <Ubit> huge
2015-12-18 23:32 <nebadon> i log out so fast i cant even see viewer disappear
2015-12-18 23:32 <nebadon> but my nebadon izumi account
2015-12-18 23:32 <Ubit> well region side
2015-12-18 23:32 <nebadon> 99% of the time i have to end task on the viewer
2015-12-18 23:33 <nebadon> it never logs out nicely like my alt
2015-12-18 23:33 <Ubit> it sends logouts to all friends
2015-12-18 23:33 <nebadon> my alt has way more attachments
2015-12-18 23:33 <nebadon> so it cant be that
2015-12-18 23:33 <nebadon> ya
2015-12-18 23:33 <Ubit> but its not viewer thing
2015-12-18 23:33 <nebadon> im thinking i have so many friends
2015-12-18 23:33 <nebadon> it crashes thew viewer
2015-12-18 23:33 <nebadon> ya
2015-12-18 23:33 <Ubit> friends code is heavy :(
2015-12-18 23:33 <nebadon> but its doing something that jams up the logout process
2015-12-18 23:33 <nebadon> amd kills the viewer
2015-12-18 23:33 <nebadon> it just hangs eternal
2015-12-18 23:34 <nebadon> not a hard crash 
2015-12-18 23:34 <nebadon> just never completes log out and sometimes i dont notice until the next day
2015-12-18 23:34 <nebadon> cause i have so manyn windows open
2015-12-18 23:34 <nebadon> that my log out from osgrid is still hung
2015-12-18 23:34 <Ubit> but should not afect viewer.. i guess
2015-12-18 23:34 <nebadon> lol
2015-12-18 23:34 <nebadon> ya its wierd maybe its not friends but something about my osgrid avatar 
2015-12-18 23:34 <nebadon> makes log out not so smooth
2015-12-18 23:34 <Ubit> region just does that on a thread
2015-12-18 23:35 <nebadon> well my main osgrid avatar
2015-12-18 23:35 <Ubit> all region versions ?
2015-12-18 23:35 <nebadon> my alt is osgrid avatar 
2015-12-18 23:35 <nebadon> well i dont use this alt much
2015-12-18 23:35 <nebadon> mostly just load testing
2015-12-18 23:35 <nebadon> which most of the time ends in big crash anyway
2015-12-18 23:35 <nebadon> lol
2015-12-18 23:35 <nebadon> the alt always seems a lot faster though
2015-12-18 23:35 <nebadon> small inventory and no friends im guessing
2015-12-18 23:36 <nebadon> the avatar it self is way heavier than my main avatar
2015-12-18 23:36 <nebadon> so its not attachments
2015-12-18 23:36 <nebadon> thats for sure
2015-12-18 23:36 <Ubit> that should impact login not logout
2015-12-18 23:36 <nebadon> ya
2015-12-18 23:36 <nebadon> makes sense
2015-12-18 23:36 <nebadon> my osgrid avatar has a ton of friends
2015-12-18 23:36 <nebadon> might need to cull a bit
2015-12-18 23:36 <nebadon> well over a 100 
2015-12-18 23:37 <nebadon> some are probably dead HG friends
2015-12-18 23:37 <nebadon> on grids that are gone
2015-12-18 23:37 <Ubit> but i thing friends related thing is donee in background 
2015-12-18 23:37 <nebadon> those are probably not good to keep around
2015-12-18 23:37 <Ubit> wel or should :)
2015-12-18 23:37 <nebadon> ya only other thing would be inventory?
2015-12-18 23:37 <nebadon> which seems like there is nothing going on at logout with inventory
2015-12-18 23:38 <Ubit> hm nahh inventory is also not used on logout
2015-12-18 23:38 <nebadon> ya
2015-12-18 23:38 <nebadon> friends
2015-12-18 23:38 <nebadon> seems like it could mybe be nasty
2015-12-18 23:38 <nebadon> sending 100+ messages
2015-12-18 23:38 <nebadon> beyond that what the hell else could it even be
2015-12-18 23:38 <Ubit> yeap those are the most likelly heavy thing going on
2015-12-18 23:39 <nebadon> im certain i have a few dead hg friends
2015-12-18 23:39 <nebadon> i should remove those and see if it changes
2015-12-18 23:39 <Ubit> a http try per each..
2015-12-18 23:39 <nebadon> does it queue?
2015-12-18 23:39 <nebadon> its not all at once is it?
2015-12-18 23:40 <Ubit> guess its a thread job doing it
2015-12-18 23:40 <Ubit> ill check in a few..
2015-12-18 23:40 <Ubit> oops need to fix the alt pass lol
2015-12-18 23:44 <Ubit> its friends notification at login and logout is done on a workjob thread
2015-12-18 23:44 <Ubit> so should not impact the viewer
2015-12-18 23:45 <Ubit> something on that account viewer settings?
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2015-12-19 02:39 <Plugh> From the error message I'm getting OpenSim is throwing an exception in line 247 of OpenSimBase.cs
2015-12-19 02:40 <Plugh> :q
2015-12-19 02:42 <Plugh> oh, right. I think where it is throwing the error is almost a red herring. The problem is with the connection to the database.
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2015-12-19 10:50 <osmantis> Bug #7780:04 Undesirable effects of commit 819fe9 - land access is blocked on land subdivide 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7780 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-19 11:09 <Ubit> why do we keep changing the asset id on store?
2015-12-19 11:12 <Ubit> and caching it twice with diferend ids?
2015-12-19 11:57 <Ubit> well this makes no sense to me :(
2015-12-19 15:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #4552 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-12-19 15:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reduce xmlrpcgroups error messages if its debug option is off. Disable keepalive by default
2015-12-19 15:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #4553 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-12-19 15:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update the xmlrpcGroups http keep alive option, and coment
2015-12-19 17:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #4554 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-12-19 17:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a more clean enforcement of BestAvatarResponsiveness (others aren't good at moment
2015-12-19 17:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #4555 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-12-19 17:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  establish a minimun for ReprioritizationDistance
2015-12-19 19:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #4556 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-12-19 19:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  do not change a attachment phatom state on crossings
2015-12-19 23:19 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-20 01:48 <Rodger> 17:41] Galilani.Waya @login.andromedagrid.com:8002: *** parent estate: 1,mainland
2015-12-20 01:48 <Rodger> why are we getting these messages
2015-12-20 01:53 <Ubit> sounds like a script
2015-12-20 02:25 <Rodger> it only happens when someone tps in
2015-12-20 02:25 <Rodger> looks like vivox 
2015-12-20 02:26 <Rodger> in sl it does that i think show that you connected to main voice channel
2015-12-20 02:27 <Ubit> ok local chat? odd
2015-12-20 02:27 <Ubit> i don't see it on lbsa that also has vivox
2015-12-20 02:40 <Rodger> ok
2015-12-20 03:15 <Melanie_T> you're in god mode, right
2015-12-20 03:15 <Melanie_T> a normal user doesn't get it
2015-12-20 03:15 <Melanie_T> either god mode or "show admin options", which is fake god mode in SL
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2015-12-20 11:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  BUG FIX on avatar position updates send control
2015-12-20 11:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #4558 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-12-20 11:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change the return list of objects costs, sending a answer if none found
2015-12-20 11:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #4559 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-12-20 12:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: drop attachments to ground with phantom active. We should not do this, but for now there no better way to avoid nasty collisions. (large physical objects may still have bad collisions with ground on drop)
2015-12-20 15:21 <Ai> Hi again... I wonder if Ubit of online?
2015-12-20 15:22 <Guest3173> I have just notived that my regions which have a fixed landing point are not forcing that.  the avatar arrives at any location.. and in the cases I have that is serious as they can be stuck under mesh terain and not able to find a route out.
2015-12-20 15:31 <Guest3173> forget that... it seems that if a viewer is logged in while a region server is rerstrated that the teleport location is not respected.  but on relog it is.  Odd.. but not serious.
2015-12-20 15:37 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-12-20 15:41 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-12-20 15:41 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-12-20 15:46 <AiAustin> Looks like its a change in behaviour such that the god level or estate managers drop into a region with a fixed landing point at any place, and the landing point is not respected.
2015-12-20 15:47 <AiAustin> For a normal avatar it is respected.. This is a change in bevhaviour that is undesirable and the owner/etstaemanager avatar may (will often in my case) arrive under mesh terrain or in strange unwanted places.
2015-12-20 15:47 <AiAustin> I have entered a mantis for this, as I think the code changes related to landing point that were made recently presumably change dthis behaviour.
2015-12-20 15:48 <AiAustin> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785
2015-12-20 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-20 20:49 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-20 21:37 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-20 22:24 <misterblue> linkedinyou: saw you talking about JSON interfaces to OpenSimulator... you might checkout the Dispatcher (https://github.com/cmickeyb/dispatcher) which is a JSON interface as an extension for external OpenSimulator scripting
2015-12-20 22:24 <misterblue> it included some security stuff and tried to create a general external interface to OpenSimulator
2015-12-20 22:41 <linkedinyou> misterblue: thank you for the dispatcher it seems exactly what i want
2015-12-20 22:44 <misterblue> I've seen the dispatcher used to run a city with hundreds of simulated cars
2015-12-20 22:45 <misterblue> and a system with hundreds of spheres driven by an n-body gravitaional simulator...  the interface is pretty quick
2015-12-20 22:45 <misterblue> the slow part is the update protocol to the viewer :)
2015-12-20 22:47 <linkedinyou> also i am checking apache thrift it is much faster then json 
2015-12-20 22:48 <linkedinyou> https://thrift.apache.org/
2015-12-20 22:49 <misterblue> I've been working with Thrift... the interface definition is nice and it has so many transports and good language support
2015-12-20 22:49 <misterblue> it would make a good interface
2015-12-20 22:53 <linkedinyou> it is my frist time seen Thrift interface and explore it for Python code as i am django framework guy lol
2015-12-20 23:09 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-12-21 03:55 <osmantis> Bug #7786:04 landing point set are not respecting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7786 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2015-12-21 12:25 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-21 13:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #4560 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-12-21 13:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: simplify avatar updates throotle control, this possible needs to get more complex again
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2015-12-21 13:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: revert the setting of phantom flag on attachment drop to ground, since it can break nomod objects
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2015-12-21 16:35 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-21 16:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4562: SUCCESS in 5 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4562/
2015-12-21 16:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add physics help on root agent arrival via some login types and if not under action of telehub or landpoint. will change land to the top of anything physics sees above ground up to 1024m above ground. Only works with ubOde (possible ode but untested). Feature testing... some results may be ugly.
2015-12-21 16:49 <Ubit> well we may land on top of birds just passing by :)
2015-12-21 16:53 <AliciaRaven2> landing on the roofs of buildings will be more common problem
2015-12-21 16:53 <Ubit> well that isnt bad
2015-12-21 16:54 <Ubit> the 1024 is mb 2 high
2015-12-21 16:54 <Ubit> but some people replace land by meshs
2015-12-21 16:55 <Ubit> and put land very low.. so.. well not sure
2015-12-21 16:56 <Ubit> and this does cost a adicional up to 90ms ( a frame time )
2015-12-21 16:57 <Ubit> errr plus some more acording to physics load
2015-12-21 16:59 <Ubit> hmm actually didn't chech what sl does
2015-12-21 16:59 <Ubit> guess they have a nicer volume collider or something
2015-12-21 17:00 <Ubit> oops landed on a pool !!! damm 
2015-12-21 17:00 <Ubit> lol
2015-12-21 17:00 <Ubit> poor avatar  all wet now :)
2015-12-21 17:02 <AliciaRaven2> its the lowest point that the avatars bounding box will fit with no collision i think
2015-12-21 17:02 <AliciaRaven2> so will be above a floor but below a roof
2015-12-21 17:03 <Ubit> seems to be roof
2015-12-21 17:05 <Ubit> bahh on first test i had to hit a pool filled with water :)
2015-12-21 17:06 <Ubit> hmm nopes now i landed inside someones home
2015-12-21 17:06 <Ubit> baddd baddd
2015-12-21 17:06 <Ubit> i do prefer roofs
2015-12-21 17:07 <Ubit> what a total privacy violation
2015-12-21 17:08 <Ubit> well lets see if it doesn't crash and cases people find
2015-12-21 17:09 <Ubit> should be lower than 1024 u guess
2015-12-21 17:09 <Ubit> ..i guess..
2015-12-21 17:11 <Ubit> ( tp to last location should not trigger this of course )
2015-12-21 17:12 <Ubit>                        ((m_teleportFlags & (TeleportFlags.ViaLogin | TeleportFlags.ViaRegionID)) ==
2015-12-21 17:12 <Ubit>                             (TeleportFlags.ViaLogin | TeleportFlags.ViaRegionID)
2015-12-21 17:12 <Ubit>                         || (m_teleportFlags & TeleportFlags.ViaLocation) != 0
2015-12-21 17:12 <Ubit>                         || (m_teleportFlags & TeleportFlags.ViaHGLogin) != 0);
2015-12-21 17:12 <Ubit> current check
2015-12-21 17:15 <Ubit> hmm doesn't ViaRegionID imply ViaLogin ?
2015-12-21 17:18 <Ubit> ufff that sl landing violates door locks etc.. so bad
2015-12-21 17:19 <Ubit> well on other hand tons of things do that also lol
2015-12-21 17:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #4563 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-21 18:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4563: SUCCESS in 5 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4563/
2015-12-21 18:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: clean a bit
2015-12-21 18:13 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-21 18:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #4564 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-21 18:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4564: SUCCESS in 5 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4564/
2015-12-21 18:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: drop attachments to ground a bit in front of the avatar, not on his location
2015-12-21 18:22 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-21 19:20 <Plugh> bah. I hate doing non-standard queries on the assets table. They take so very long to complete. :(
2015-12-21 19:42 <Melanie_> Plugh: what nonstandard queries are there that make sense?
2015-12-21 19:43 <Plugh> I'm doing some record counts restricted to a given date range to check if any data got missed in a recent backup before replication kicked in.
2015-12-21 22:48 <nebadon> https://www.facebook.com/Abranimations/videos/541590895998002
2015-12-21 23:33 <Ubit> odd on each tp  viewer adds 2 to 3m in height
2015-12-21 23:59 -!- IgorVorotiloff(~GuyCharle@unaffiliated/igorvorotiloff) has left #opensim-dev
2015-12-22 00:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #4565 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-22 00:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4565: SUCCESS in 5 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4565/
2015-12-22 00:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  a few changes to physics new root avatar position height estimation
2015-12-22 03:39 <osmantis> Bug #7303:04 llMoveToTarget not working properly with bulletsim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7303 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-22 03:54 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-22 04:05 <osmantis> Bug #7779:04 llPushObject not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-22 11:20 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-22 11:28 <osmantis> Bug #7303:04 llMoveToTarget not working properly with bulletsim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7303 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-22 12:02 <osmantis> Bug #7779:04 llPushObject not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-22 13:24 <Ubit> well its not physics landing.. its root avatar arrival
2015-12-22 13:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #4566 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-22 13:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4566: SUCCESS in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4566/
2015-12-22 13:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  physics landing: don't land on top of volume detectors
2015-12-22 13:57 <osmantis> Bug #7786:04 landing point set are not respecting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7786 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-22 14:39 <osmantis> Bug #7303:04 llMoveToTarget not working properly with bulletsim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7303 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-12-22 14:39 <osmantis> Bug #7779:04 llPushObject not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7779 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-12-22 18:31 <osmantis> Bug #7787:04 osGetRegionMapTexture does not seem to work on Variable Regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7787 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-12-22 18:33 <Ubit> ooops :)
2015-12-22 18:36 <osmantis> Bug #7787:04 osGetRegionMapTexture does not seem to work on Variable Regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7787 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-22 18:37 <osmantis> Bug #7787:04 osGetRegionMapTexture does not seem to work on Variable Regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7787 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-22 18:40 <osmantis> Bug #7787:04 osGetRegionMapTexture does not seem to work on Variable Regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7787 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-22 18:45 <osmantis> Bug #7787:04 osGetRegionMapTexture does not seem to work on Variable Regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7787 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-22 19:02 <nebadon> Meeting at Wright Plaza for anyone interested :)
2015-12-22 19:02 <Ubit> you have candies there?
2015-12-22 19:02 <nebadon> lol
2015-12-22 20:41 <djphil> Hi all. Can you tell me if anything has changed in Opensim v0.9.x with llHTTPRequest http_response and string size.
2015-12-22 20:41 <djphil> With 0.8.x before I could send an HTTP request to my database and get a string in http_response very large. Now it seems to be limited ...  Will I recover as it was before but with 0.9.x?
2015-12-22 21:27 <Rodger> what opensim code file contains setting robust public/private ports?
2015-12-22 21:27 <Rodger> i searched for Publicport but none found
2015-12-22 21:42 <velusunivers-sys> what are the mimetype for air and oar would it be something like application\x-iar?
2015-12-22 21:45 <nebadon> im not sure there is a proper mimetype
2015-12-22 21:45 <nebadon> its a tar.gz
2015-12-22 21:47 <velusunivers-sys> ok i wonder how to get a mimetype accepted?
2015-12-22 21:48 <nebadon> thats all viewer side
2015-12-22 21:48 <nebadon> i would imagine?
2015-12-22 21:49 <nebadon> what is the goal?
2015-12-22 21:49 <nebadon> its not like oars are served to the world from opensim
2015-12-22 21:50 <velusunivers-sys> its for a system im creating, it would need to reconise the mimetype before uploading it, 
2015-12-22 21:59 <OtakuMegane> Looks like it has the same file signature as a .gz so probably just treat it as a tar.gz file - application/gzip
2015-12-22 22:00 <nebadon> well really you could make the mime type anything you want if its a closed system
2015-12-22 22:00 <nebadon> i cant really see how that would impact opensim or the viewer in anyway really
2015-12-22 22:01 <OtakuMegane> True
2015-12-22 22:08 <osmantis> Bug #7779:04 llPushObject not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-22 22:18 <diva> ok I'm completely befuzzled with a packaging behavior in the opensim release scripts. Apparently, zip-ing screws up the mono dlls. I cannot explain it! The [Mono] dlls inside the zip package are wrong, whereas the dlls in the tar.gz package are correct
2015-12-22 22:18 <diva> any ideas?!?
2015-12-22 22:19 <nebadon> well i think there is a reason we provide both
2015-12-22 22:19 <nebadon> and not just one :)
2015-12-22 22:20 <nebadon> I always avoid .zip files when i can on linux
2015-12-22 22:24 <nebadon> but maybe i am misunderstanding the actual problem diva
2015-12-22 22:24 <nebadon> are the dlls like missing? or just corrupt?
2015-12-22 22:24 <diva> they are there, they seem to be the exact same dlls, but they don't work well
2015-12-22 22:25 <nebadon> how are you unzipping it?
2015-12-22 22:25 <nebadon> just the built in windows extract?
2015-12-22 22:25 <diva> yes
2015-12-22 22:25 <nebadon> let me try
2015-12-22 22:26 <diva> this is on windows, and the problem shows up when running mautil
2015-12-22 22:26 <nebadon> ya i was going to try on windows
2015-12-22 22:26 <diva> wtf
2015-12-22 22:27 <diva> there's something wrong with that packaging script
2015-12-22 22:27 <nebadon> could it be that unzip tool screws up some case sensitivity some where maybe?
2015-12-22 22:27 <nebadon> oh hmm
2015-12-22 22:27 <nebadon> im not sure ive ever created a zip in linux heh
2015-12-22 22:27 <diva> no there's something wrong with the pacakging script. I just tried zipping it by hand in opensimulator.org, and that worked
2015-12-22 22:27 <nebadon> interesting
2015-12-22 22:28 <nebadon> ive not seen the script
2015-12-22 22:28 <nebadon> maybe do a sha comparison
2015-12-22 22:28 <nebadon> to your download
2015-12-22 22:29 <nebadon> see if checksum matches after download
2015-12-22 22:29 <nebadon> via the website or whatever
2015-12-22 22:30 <nebadon> the zip looks complete
2015-12-22 22:30 <nebadon> i would think if something was incorrect or corrupt opensim wouldnt even start
2015-12-22 22:33 <nebadon> comparing side by side the tar.gz and zip in 7zip all the files have same file sizes
2015-12-22 22:33 <diva> I know
2015-12-22 22:33 <diva> that's why I'm completely befuzzled
2015-12-22 22:33 <nebadon> ya that is whacky
2015-12-22 22:33 <nebadon> try unzip with 7zip?
2015-12-22 22:33 <nebadon> rule out crappy windows unzipper
2015-12-22 22:34 <diva> no, it's not that
2015-12-22 22:34 <nebadon> k
2015-12-22 22:34 <diva> I tried packaging it by hand in opensimulator.org, copied that over and unzipped it as usual, and that worked
2015-12-22 22:34 <diva> it's just the zip packages that are produced by the release scripts that are borked, I don't know why!
2015-12-22 22:35 <OtakuMegane> Possibly the file arrangement is altered in some way?
2015-12-22 22:36 <OtakuMegane> That's a problem with modifying .jars if you're not careful. Have to zip them back up a certain way to be sure everything still works.
2015-12-22 22:36 <nebadon> if you manually run the zip part of that script is that zip also bad?
2015-12-22 22:36 <diva> no, it works
2015-12-22 22:36 <nebadon> same user that runs script?
2015-12-22 22:36 <nebadon> maybe environment
2015-12-22 22:37 <nebadon> if not
2015-12-22 22:37 <nebadon> a .bashrc variable
2015-12-22 22:37 <diva> same user
2015-12-22 22:37 <nebadon> ok that is wierd
2015-12-22 22:37 <nebadon> any global variables in the script that could influence?
2015-12-22 22:38 <nebadon> setting a path or something
2015-12-22 22:41 <diva> well looks like I fixed it
2015-12-22 22:41 <diva> there was something that was supposed to be commented on that script, but apparently it wasn't
2015-12-22 22:41 <nebadon> nice what was it?
2015-12-22 22:41 <nebadon> oh heh
2015-12-22 22:41 <diva> it was messin up the package
2015-12-22 22:42 <diva> I think...
2015-12-22 22:42 <diva> I still need to double check
2015-12-22 22:42 <nebadon> famous last words :)
2015-12-22 22:44 <osmantis> Bug #7788:04 OS functions osNpcMoveToTarget and osNpcStopMoveToTarget not working in ubOde physics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7788 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-12-22 22:52 <osmantis> Bug #7768:04 llCollisionSound function does not work in current release V0.9.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7768 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-22 22:56 <diva> fck not good yet wtf
2015-12-22 22:56 <diva> cd ../..
2015-12-22 22:56 <nebadon> hmm
2015-12-22 23:10 <diva> ok, wtf
2015-12-22 23:10 <diva> grrr
2015-12-22 23:14 <diva> it's the frikin windows explorer unzipper
2015-12-22 23:15 <diva> if I unzip on cygwin with the unzip command everything is good
2015-12-22 23:15 <diva> what the freaking flocks?!?!
2015-12-22 23:15 <diva> some cache or something?
2015-12-23 00:24 <djphil> Hi again.
2015-12-23 00:24 <djphil> Can you tell me if anything has changed in Opensim v0.9.x with llHTTPRequest / http_response and string size.
2015-12-23 00:24 <djphil> Before, With 0.8.x, i could send an HTTP request to my database and get a string in http_response very large.
2015-12-23 00:24 <djphil> Now It Seems to be limited ... How can I remove this new limiation ? I would recover as it was before
2015-12-23 00:31 <djphil> This limitation comes from  Avination merge ?
2015-12-23 01:03 <Plugh> There is a setting(?) that allows limiting calls by scripts to the private ports of an OS instance, or something like that. Let me check and I'll get you the information.
2015-12-23 01:04 <djphil> hooo ty Plug :)
2015-12-23 01:05 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-23 01:05 <Plugh> There is AllowllHTTPRequestIn in [Network] in Robust.ini
2015-12-23 01:05 <djphil> This new limitation nroken a lot of scripts i made and use :s
2015-12-23 01:05 <djphil> broken*
2015-12-23 01:07 <djphil> I speak for a simulator attached to a grid
2015-12-23 01:07 <djphil> Robust have no changed
2015-12-23 01:07 <djphil> i test it to the same grid
2015-12-23 01:08 <Plugh> There is another setting I'm trying to remember where you can specify allowed or banned URLs. I'm trying to remember/find what that setting is in the ini files.
2015-12-23 01:09 <djphil> ok
2015-12-23 01:11 <Plugh> Are your scripts calling the database or are they accessing a private port of the grid?
2015-12-23 01:12 <djphil> it call google spearsheet database
2015-12-23 01:12 <djphil> the fist call directly google
2015-12-23 01:13 <djphil> the second call a php script to my hp server ... and the php script call google
2015-12-23 01:13 <Plugh> ok. 
2015-12-23 01:14 <djphil> all work perfectly for a long long time ...
2015-12-23 01:14 <djphil> (before 0.9)
2015-12-23 01:14 <Plugh> There is an HTTP filter that can be imposed on llHTTPRequest. I can't remember where that is right now.
2015-12-23 01:14 <djphil> and yesterday i update my simulators and now all are broken
2015-12-23 01:15 <djphil> i update from v0.8.3.x to 0.9.x (Osgrid version)
2015-12-23 01:16 <djphil> and tested on two different grid
2015-12-23 01:16 <djphil> same problem on both :s
2015-12-23 01:16 <djphil> yeah probably a new "filter" or somthing ... :s
2015-12-23 01:19 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2015-12-23 01:20 <djphil> hmmm :s
2015-12-23 01:20 <Plugh> The filter I'm thinking about that was added was to protect against scripts trying to access local services of the grid. I don't think it should affect calling remote sites.
2015-12-23 01:21 <djphil> ok
2015-12-23 01:21 <Plugh> Do you get any errors on the console?
2015-12-23 01:21 <djphil> no any
2015-12-23 01:21 <djphil> it work
2015-12-23 01:22 <djphil> but the body string size seam different now
2015-12-23 01:22 <SammyG3> Ubit - it seems all static mesh content uploaded with Firestorm over the past few years will not work under ubode, as it does with Bulletsim, as FIrestorm does not support Mesh physics at upload.
2015-12-23 01:23 <djphil> for exemple, in the past a call a google db with 50 datas ... and it return all 50 datas ... Now if a call the same Google db, it return only the 15 or 20 first data ... all other are ... losed :(
2015-12-23 01:24 <Plugh> SammyG3: Is that the same as saying "from file" for physics during upload? That's what I use when doing mesh upload via FS.
2015-12-23 01:24 <djphil> of course that very blocking for me :s
2015-12-23 01:25 <Plugh> djphil: Um... oh. The problem isn't that it isn't working. Your problem is that the response is getting truncated.
2015-12-23 01:25 <djphil> yes is trucated
2015-12-23 01:26 <djphil> but that new !!
2015-12-23 01:26 <SammyG3> Plugh, thats is by choosing the drop down box under physics tab.  That is what works for ubode under Singularity, but not for FIrestorm.
2015-12-23 01:28 <SammyG3> Bullet is forgiving if you dont have physics selected, and uses the LOD from what I am told, Ubode enforces physics at upload.  I have a content that no longer works under ubode.
2015-12-23 01:31 <SammyG3> Ubode enforces physics at upload, is not fully correct, Ubode  requires that physics is set when an item is uploaded, if you want to say walk into an object, etc.
2015-12-23 01:36 <Plugh> djphil: According to the LSL wiki page on llHTTPRequest there is a limit on inbound data -> The response body is limited to 2048 bytes by default, see HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH above to increase it. If the response is longer, it will be truncated. 
2015-12-23 01:37 <Plugh> The default with Mono is 2048 bytes with a maximum of 16384.
2015-12-23 01:37 <djphil> yeah i know that
2015-12-23 01:37 <Plugh> How much data are you expecting?
2015-12-23 01:37 <djphil> but in the past (opensim v0.8.x) all working fine
2015-12-23 01:38 <djphil> just a moment, i made a screenshot for you
2015-12-23 01:42 <djphil> ok, in this one (with Opensim v0.8.x)
2015-12-23 01:42 <djphil> http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/84373820151223023401.png
2015-12-23 01:42 <djphil> you can see the script see 29 datas
2015-12-23 01:43 <djphil> and in this one (with Opensim v0.9.x)
2015-12-23 01:43 <djphil> http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/24385520151223023633.png
2015-12-23 01:43 <djphil> exactly the same script see only 17 datas
2015-12-23 01:44 <djphil> i use a lot of similars scripts and all are broken with v0.9
2015-12-23 01:44 <Plugh> Are you scripts expecting more than 2048 bytes of data in response to the query they are making?
2015-12-23 01:45 <djphil> yeah probably more
2015-12-23 01:46 <djphil> but it has always worked well before
2015-12-23 01:46 <djphil> So now I would like it still works correctly with v0.9
2015-12-23 01:46 <djphil> and know where is this new limitation
2015-12-23 01:47 <djphil> and how i can remove it in v0.9
2015-12-23 01:47 <djphil> for now i have only one solution ... go back to opensim v0.8.3
2015-12-23 01:47 <djphil> that not a good solution :s
2015-12-23 01:48 <Plugh> You need to specify HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH in your query if you expect more than 2048 bytes of data. If you are specifying that and its not working that may be a bug. llHTTPRequest did get some work done to it so it could be some limit checks weren't being done before but are now.
2015-12-23 01:49 <djphil> I've never done that before ...
2015-12-23 01:50 <Plugh> ok. According to the LSL wiki you should have been.
2015-12-23 01:50 <djphil> Something changed in v0.9 but what?
2015-12-23 01:51 <Plugh> I'd have to dig in to the code or ask the person who modified the llHTTPRequest handling. My guess is that the max length was previously ignored (or it had a bigger default allowed size) and now it is working as described in the docs.
2015-12-23 01:52 <Plugh> Queries I make don't expect much data so I haven't run in to that situation.
2015-12-23 01:54 <djphil> let's me do a little test with HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH
2015-12-23 01:54 <Plugh> ok
2015-12-23 01:55 <djphil> ok test done
2015-12-23 01:56 <djphil> i made 3 tests
2015-12-23 01:56 <djphil> first with : HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH, 16384
2015-12-23 01:56 <djphil> second with HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH, 32768
2015-12-23 01:56 <djphil> and last with HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH, 65536
2015-12-23 01:56 <djphil> and is the same for all
2015-12-23 01:56 <djphil> allways return only 17 datas :(
2015-12-23 01:57 <djphil> not 29
2015-12-23 01:57 <djphil> so ... HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH is not the problem ...
2015-12-23 01:57 <Guest24960> the upper limit on that length is 16384 http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlHTTPRequest
2015-12-23 01:57 <djphil> or HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH is broken
2015-12-23 01:57 <Guest24960> or you need to read the LSL page :D
2015-12-23 01:59 <Plugh> Oops --> case (int)HttpRequestConstants.HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH:
2015-12-23 01:59 <Plugh>                             // TODO implement me
2015-12-23 01:59 <Guest24960> if the request you're making can be paged, you might want to request it in smaller pages... like 10 results at a time. Otherwise you will eventually truncate it anyway.
2015-12-23 02:00 <Guest24960> Not sure why I'm showing as a guest... ignores and goes back to work.
2015-12-23 02:00 <djphil> i'm testing with 4096, 2048, 1024, 512, 256, 128 ... and is allways the same
2015-12-23 02:00 <djphil> only 17 datas are returned
2015-12-23 02:01 <Guest24960> it sounds like it is still unimplemented, but the Avination branch had a different max (16K) than 0.8 did
2015-12-23 02:01 <Plugh> How much data is "17 datas"?
2015-12-23 02:02 <djphil> lets me get the string legenth, mom
2015-12-23 02:03 <djphil> llStringLength say to me 3680
2015-12-23 02:03 <djphil> 17 datas is 3680 string length
2015-12-23 02:05 <djphil> and 29 datas is 6224 string length
2015-12-23 02:05 <Plugh> hm... if I'm reading the code correctly, there is a hard-coded length limit of 2048 bytes.
2015-12-23 02:05 <djphil> +/- 3000 is losed with opensim v0.9.x
2015-12-23 02:07 <Plugh> djphil: ok. On that basis your scripts should have been passing a value for the body maxlength parameter. Problem is that the code seems to now accept more than 2048 at this time.
2015-12-23 02:07 <Plugh> I'm looking to see if that was a recent(?) change.
2015-12-23 02:08 <djphil> tyvm Plugh
2015-12-23 02:08 <djphil> and a way to fix/solve that please
2015-12-23 02:10 <djphil> this is in the ScriptsHttpRequests.cs file ?
2015-12-23 02:10 <djphil> i try to search and understand lol ^^
2015-12-23 02:12 <Plugh> A fix/solve to that requires code changes. It wouldn't be that hard to fix from what I see in the code.
2015-12-23 02:14 <djphil> it worked great before ...
2015-12-23 02:14 <djphil> maybee avimerge broken something ...
2015-12-23 02:14 <Plugh> djphil: At this point it would helpful if you file a mantis with a request to implement support for HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH in llHTTPRequest.
2015-12-23 02:15 <djphil> ok, i can do that
2015-12-23 02:15 <Plugh> Let me see what the 0.8.3 code does
2015-12-23 02:15 <djphil> ok, ty
2015-12-23 02:15 <Plugh> errr... 0.8.2
2015-12-23 02:16 <djphil> my simu 0.8 is osgrid-opensim-10182015.v0.8.3.06d2508
2015-12-23 02:17 <djphil> OsGrid 0.8.3.0 (Dev) 06d2508: 2015-10-18
2015-12-23 02:17 <djphil> the problem come AFATER 2015-10-18
2015-12-23 02:18 <djphil> AFTER*
2015-12-23 02:18 <Plugh> Ah. I see what is going on. The MAXLENGTH option was never supported. In 0.8.2 there was no limit check. It grabbed everything it could of the incoming data. With the avination merge it is doing a check to make sure the incoming data conforms to expected lengths. 
2015-12-23 02:18 <djphil> and current v0.9 i use is :
2015-12-23 02:18 <djphil> OSgrid 0.9.0.0 (Dev) e095f51: 2015-12-19
2015-12-23 02:19 <Plugh> The maxlength feature isn't implemented yet so it is default to the max of 2048 which is the default max length for inbound data.
2015-12-23 02:20 <djphil> hmmm that a big problem for me
2015-12-23 02:20 <djphil> of course i can continue to use 0.8.3 ... but i whant to update and try ubODE :p
2015-12-23 02:22 <djphil> but already we have a clue, avimerge made damage
2015-12-23 02:23 <djphil> maybee i can change this default value in the ini file ...
2015-12-23 02:24 <djphil> to get my scripts working fine with v0.9.x
2015-12-23 02:24 <Plugh> It's not really damage, although it is from your point of view. The code from avination is adding support to limit the amount of response data where there previously was no limit.
2015-12-23 02:25 <djphil> yeah i understand
2015-12-23 02:25 <Plugh> You need to change the value in line 625 of OpenSim/Region/CoreModules/Scripting/HttpRequest/ScriptsHttpRequests.cs
2015-12-23 02:25 <djphil> with this "new feature" ... we need a way to set the simulator to NO LIMIT via ini file or somethink ...
2015-12-23 02:26 <Plugh> There is a commented out variable that sets the limit but then someone didn't use that and just put a hard-coded value in place.
2015-12-23 02:26 <djphil> for now is the only way i think ....
2015-12-23 02:27 <djphil> lets me check this file, mom
2015-12-23 02:28 <Plugh> Let me know the number of the mantis once you have filed the issue. I will add some comments to the report.
2015-12-23 02:31 <djphil> yes, we need a mantis for it. It is really blocking.
2015-12-23 02:31 <djphil> I send you the mantis nbr when i have done
2015-12-23 02:32 <Plugh> ok
2015-12-23 02:37 <Plugh> bbl. I have a couple things I need to do.
2015-12-23 02:58 <Plugh> back
2015-12-23 03:12 <osmantis> Bug #7789:04 HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH in llHTTPRequest 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7789 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2015-12-23 03:13 <djphil> Plugh >>> #7789
2015-12-23 03:14 <osmantis> Bug #7789:04 HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH in llHTTPRequest 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7789 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2015-12-23 03:16 <Plugh> Yes, I see that.
2015-12-23 03:16 <djphil> hehe :p
2015-12-23 03:16 <djphil> i really hope a way to setup to NO LIMIT
2015-12-23 03:17 <djphil> OpenSimDefault.ini
2015-12-23 03:17 <djphil> 04BODY_MAXLENGTH01 = 0
2015-12-23 03:17 <djphil> of course ZERO = NO LIMIT :p
2015-12-23 03:18 <djphil> some scripts get more that 500 responses or more ...
2015-12-23 03:18 <Plugh> No limit would be a bad thing.
2015-12-23 03:19 <djphil> In the paste, without limit all is fine :p
2015-12-23 03:19 <djphil> Grid Admin or Region Admin can have choise ...
2015-12-23 03:20 <djphil> All in OS isn't 100% identical like SL
2015-12-23 03:20 <djphil> OS remove a lot of limitations :)
2015-12-23 03:20 <Plugh> You want someone to be able to feed you terabytes of response data where the amount of data could exceed both your RAM and physical disk space? 
2015-12-23 03:22 <djphil> tha admin can adjust the size ...
2015-12-23 03:22 <djphil> the*
2015-12-23 03:22 <djphil> of course 100000000 Mb isn't a correct size !!!
2015-12-23 03:23 <djphil> Administrator should know this :p
2015-12-23 03:23 <djphil> a user (admin) can be able to adjust that by simulator ...
2015-12-23 03:23 <djphil> isn't a grid problem ... is a region problem
2015-12-23 03:24 <djphil> (if the admin don't strore the terabyte datas in robust) :p
2015-12-23 03:25 <djphil> but to do that you have a lot of other way ... ;)
2015-12-23 03:27 <djphil> I thank You for your help plug and i hope we will soon have a good solution for all poeple :)
2015-12-23 03:39 <osmantis> Bug #7789:04 HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH in llHTTPRequest 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-23 03:40 <Plugh> I've got most of the changes needed sitting in my copy of the source tree.
2015-12-23 03:43 <osmantis> Bug #7789:04 Implment HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH in llHTTPRequest 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7789 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2015-12-23 03:44 <djphil> ha yes i see the line 193
2015-12-23 03:44 <Plugh> Darn. I can't rebuild master right now. I was in the middle of testing/applying other code changes.
2015-12-23 03:49 <djphil> Plugh, Aurora-Sim have the code for that for a long time ago
2015-12-23 03:49 <djphil> see at https://github.com/aurora-sim/Aurora-Sim/blob/master/Aurora/Modules/Scripting/HttpRequest/ScriptsHttpRequests.cs#L152
2015-12-23 03:49 <djphil> line 152 and more
2015-12-23 03:50 <djphil> it have for HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH and for HTTP_VERBOSE_THROTTLE too
2015-12-23 03:50 <djphil> (i see HTTP_VERBOSE_THROTTLE is missing too in opensim)
2015-12-23 03:54 <djphil> two files are very similare ...
2015-12-23 04:05 <Plugh> Aurora-Sim is old and not really maintained any more. It did have a number of features not in OS but they changed a lot of the code so it isn't always easy, or even possible at times, to use code from that project.
2015-12-23 04:05 <osmantis> Bug #7789:04 Implement HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH in llHTTPRequest 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7789 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2015-12-23 04:05 <djphil> nothing change, just fix title typo
2015-12-23 04:07 <Plugh> :)
2015-12-23 04:07 <Plugh> Aurora-Sim code has no upper limit on the size of the buffer that can be specified.
2015-12-23 04:08 <Plugh> BTW, the fork of Aurora Sim is called WhiteCore, IIRC.
2015-12-23 04:08 <djphil> I have not followed WhiteCore Sim
2015-12-23 04:08 <djphil> (but i know)
2015-12-23 04:11 <Plugh> AuroraSim hasn't been updated since Jan 2014. WhiteCore was last updated yesterday. 
2015-12-23 04:11 <djphil> yeah but the real one is Aurora
2015-12-23 04:11 <djphil> real improvment are in Aurora
2015-12-23 04:12 <djphil> Have you see WhiteCore recently ... ?
2015-12-23 04:12 <djphil> Look a bit around ...
2015-12-23 04:14 <Plugh> I don't tend to dig around in any of the versions of grid code unless I need to do so.
2015-12-23 04:16 <djphil> sure!
2015-12-23 04:18 <Plugh> Thanks for mentioning the other project. I just found the function I needed to truncate the response body if it exceeded the allowed length.
2015-12-23 04:20 <Plugh> I'll have to copy my OS master dir and make it clean so I can check that my code changes compile cleanly.
2015-12-23 04:23 <Plugh> Time to take a break. My cat is calling for me. I'm also going to get out my guitar for a bit of practice. 
2015-12-23 07:12 <osmantis> Bug #7303:04 llMoveToTarget not working properly with bulletsim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7303 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-23 17:13 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-23 18:29 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-23 18:38 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-23 18:55 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-23 19:11 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-23 19:16 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-23 19:27 <smxy> There actually *IS* a difference between "effected' and 'affected'. <smh>
2015-12-23 19:30 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics effected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-23 19:31 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics affected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-12-23 19:32 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics affected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-23 20:24 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics affected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-23 20:29 <diva> Ubit ping
2015-12-23 20:31 <diva> n/m
2015-12-23 20:37 <Ubit> pong
2015-12-23 20:37 <Ubit> n/m ?
2015-12-23 20:38 <diva> never mind...
2015-12-23 20:38 <Ubit> ok :)
2015-12-23 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics affected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-23 21:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #4567 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-23 21:31 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics affected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-23 21:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4567: SUCCESS in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4567/
2015-12-23 21:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix avatar movetotarget that got broken with changes on significant movement. Do it all on scenepresence.cs, and not also on scene.cs. check distance to target only on X,Y if not flying or landing
2015-12-23 22:03 <djphil> yeah Ubit, i see llSetKeyframedMotion improvements with ubODE
2015-12-23 22:04 <djphil> very nice !
2015-12-23 22:04 <Ubit> cool
2015-12-23 22:07 <nebadonPi> ;
2015-12-23 22:11 <djphil> Mmm
2015-12-23 22:27 <nebadon> Ubit ping
2015-12-23 22:27 <nebadon> was setting up a new simulator for ubode testing and getting wierd errors
2015-12-23 22:28 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/EjbPgSgE
2015-12-23 22:28 <Ubit> odd
2015-12-23 22:28 <nebadon> brand new simulator, only thing i did was type "terrain fill 21"
2015-12-23 22:28 <nebadon> let me make sure im fully updated might not be
2015-12-23 22:28 <nebadon> even restart didnt help after i did the terrain fill 21
2015-12-23 22:29 <nebadon> just spams console with that message endlessly
2015-12-23 22:29 <nebadon> maybe its bad I have it right on the border of an equally sized var region running bulletsim?
2015-12-23 22:29 <nebadon> cant imagine
2015-12-23 22:29 <Ubit> don't think so
2015-12-23 22:29 <Ubit> no objects only terrain there?
2015-12-23 22:30 <nebadon> ive never even logged in
2015-12-23 22:30 <nebadon> i just started it and typed terrain fill 21
2015-12-23 22:30 <nebadon> would it being 768x768 matter?
2015-12-23 22:31 <Ubit> you selected ubMesh.. also ?
2015-12-23 22:31 <nebadon> yes
2015-12-23 22:31 <nebadon> let me double check its correct
2015-12-23 22:31 <nebadon> i did hand type it from another screen
2015-12-23 22:31 <Ubit>                     mesher.ExpireReleaseMeshs();   <-- error is here 
2015-12-23 22:33 <nebadon> aha typo
2015-12-23 22:33 <nebadon> thanks
2015-12-23 22:33 <nebadon> i typed mesherizer
2015-12-23 22:33 <nebadon> lol
2015-12-23 22:33 <Ubit> :)
2015-12-23 22:34 <nebadon> I assume that mesher would not work with bulletsim?
2015-12-23 22:34 <Ubit> nopes  it smokes
2015-12-23 22:35 <nebadon> k i wasnt sure if maybe it was just bug fixes and optimizations
2015-12-23 22:36 <Ubit> they can be merged.   but needs changes on them and engined to use normalized thing
2015-12-23 22:36 <Ubit> engines
2015-12-23 22:36 <nebadon> cool
2015-12-23 22:36 <Ubit> like that expire meshs
2015-12-23 22:36 <nebadon> Sisyphus and Newton are border buddies :)
2015-12-23 22:36 <Ubit> ubode does cache meshs
2015-12-23 22:36 <nebadon> for now
2015-12-23 22:36 <Ubit> i mean ubMesh...
2015-12-23 22:36 <nebadon> as long as it doesnt blow stuff up too bad haha
2015-12-23 22:37 <Ubit> :)
2015-12-23 22:37 <nebadon> loading in sisyphus oar now
2015-12-23 22:37 <nebadon> probably keep them twins
2015-12-23 22:42 <Ubit> fingers crossed :)
2015-12-23 22:44 <nebadon> I might actually set up 2 more
2015-12-23 22:44 <nebadon> companions for newton and sisyphus
2015-12-23 22:44 <nebadon> to test border crossing
2015-12-23 22:45 <nebadon> hmm wierd cant see sisyphus
2015-12-23 22:45 <nebadon> and its not reporting child agents
2015-12-23 22:45 <nebadon> going to restart it
2015-12-23 23:02 <nebadon> looking good Ubit, restart of sisyphus did the trick
2015-12-23 23:04 <Ubit> mb you logged in 2 soon
2015-12-23 23:15 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics affected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-23 23:15 <Plugh> nebadonPi, Do you remember the limits on mesh imports (file size, number of triangles, etc)?
2015-12-23 23:21 <djphil> Plugh : http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Limits
2015-12-23 23:24 <Plugh> ok, ty. 
2015-12-23 23:24 <Plugh> I didn't know if OS had the same limits as in SL.
2015-12-23 23:26 <djphil> nbr of vertice, mat by mesh and mat by face is same
2015-12-23 23:27 <djphil> others i don't know
2015-12-23 23:28 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics affected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-23 23:30 <Plugh> bbl. Dinner is ready
2015-12-23 23:41 <Ubit> hmm neb  for ubOde setting needs to be meshing = ubODEMeshmerizer
2015-12-23 23:57 <nebadon> yea i ended up just copying it from the example
2015-12-23 23:57 <nebadon> its up and running
2015-12-23 23:57 <Ubit> cool
2015-12-23 23:58 <Ubit> i just tested the landing code on a mesh terrain with dan :)
2015-12-23 23:58 <Ubit> test plaza3
2015-12-23 23:58 <nebadon> nice
2015-12-23 23:59 <danbanner> odd think is Meshmerizer works fine with ubODE too for me
2015-12-23 23:59 <nebadon> it seemed fine until i typed "terrain fill 21"
2015-12-23 23:59 <nebadon> then it went completely bonkers
2015-12-23 23:59 <danbanner> ive dont that too
2015-12-23 23:59 <danbanner> worked well
2015-12-23 23:59 <danbanner> in fact
2015-12-23 23:59 <danbanner> i just did it two days ago
2015-12-24 00:00 <Ubit> well as i said inworld..  its a miracle it does work :p
2015-12-24 00:00 <nebadon> maybe cause i had typo
2015-12-24 00:00 <nebadon> it wasnt using default
2015-12-24 00:00 <nebadon> it was using nothing
2015-12-24 00:00 <nebadon> there was like 10000 lines of spew in about 60 seconds
2015-12-24 00:00 <Ubit> well nothing is a lot worse :)
2015-12-24 00:01 <Ubit> dan
2015-12-24 00:02 <Ubit> ubode uses ubodeM even to get mass and inertia data
2015-12-24 00:02 <Ubit> ubode also does diferent mesh on same prims to avoid sit errors
2015-12-24 00:02 <Ubit> etc
2015-12-24 00:03 <Ubit> does mesh caching..  well   miracle how ubode is working for you with normal meshmerizer
2015-12-24 00:04 <danbanner> strange that i dont have that happen
2015-12-24 00:04 <danbanner> http://pastebin.com/NgbQUvv1
2015-12-24 00:05 <Ubit> terrain should work.. doens't use meshmerizer
2015-12-24 00:05 <danbanner> right, landed on the mesh fine again
2015-12-24 00:06 <Ubit> yeap many things do work
2015-12-24 00:07 <Ubit> others will just seem to workl
2015-12-24 00:07 <Plugh> I'm going to need someone to look at my ini files. I can't figure out why my 0.8.0-post-fixes standalone set up has stopped working.
2015-12-24 00:09 <djphil> hehe, i see same problem like BulletSim with ubODE and center of mass :p http://s21.postimg.org/fkwcx3087/2015_12_24_01_06_15.png (mantis 6782)
2015-12-24 00:10 <Ubit> from the pic i just see the things balacing each others 
2015-12-24 00:11 <Ubit> well give me a thing at osg to see it :)
2015-12-24 00:11 <djphil> it should fall flat
2015-12-24 00:11 <djphil> there they remain vertical
2015-12-24 00:12 <Ubit> do you have that thing at osgrid?
2015-12-24 00:12 <Ubit> ty :)
2015-12-24 00:13 <djphil> yeah yeah, mom !!!
2015-12-24 00:13 <djphil> :)
2015-12-24 00:13 <Ubit> xii my luck
2015-12-24 00:13 <Ubit> i just landed on top of my test NPC
2015-12-24 00:14 <Ubit> on a empty region i had to hit it lol
2015-12-24 00:15 <djphil> i'm trying materials (rubber ball)
2015-12-24 00:16 <djphil> i try to do te same like havok demo
2015-12-24 00:16 <djphil> here is : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyQmjb-6l3Y
2015-12-24 00:16 <djphil> but can't make it work in OS
2015-12-24 00:17 <Ubit> odd 
2015-12-24 00:17 <Ubit> this things should fall right
2015-12-24 00:18 <djphil> i test with different params ... and never work
2015-12-24 00:18 <djphil> the ball does not bounce enough
2015-12-24 00:18 <djphil> but the havok demo is funny :)
2015-12-24 00:19 <Ubit> hmm works with a smaller cut
2015-12-24 00:19 <djphil> smaller cut ?
2015-12-24 00:20 <Ubit> yeap
2015-12-24 00:22 <djphil> smaller cut is not enough
2015-12-24 00:22 <Ubit> it does break down when the cut is large.. odd
2015-12-24 00:23 <djphil> i have never tested that in SL
2015-12-24 00:23 <Ubit> i say in ubode
2015-12-24 00:23 <djphil> yes
2015-12-24 00:23 <djphil> it would be interesting to know how is the behavior in SL
2015-12-24 00:25 <Ubit> possible works fine there
2015-12-24 00:26 <Ubit> i will check
2015-12-24 00:29 <Ubit> falls fine at sl
2015-12-24 00:29 <djphil> cool :)
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2015-12-24 00:35 <Ubit> what hell
2015-12-24 00:40 <nebadon> my racer is a bit wierd in ubODE
2015-12-24 00:40 <nebadon> interestingly i have the same problem with burnout sticking
2015-12-24 00:40 <nebadon> same problem in bulletsim, must be xengine
2015-12-24 00:41 <Ubit> yeap that sounds like script side
2015-12-24 00:41 <nebadon> wierd wonder why
2015-12-24 00:41 <nebadon> it wasnt always that way
2015-12-24 00:41 <nebadon> seemed to start after the merge I think
2015-12-24 00:42 <nebadon> if not i never noticed it before then
2015-12-24 00:42 <Ubit> ohh ?
2015-12-24 00:42 <nebadon> ya its a recent break
2015-12-24 00:44 <nebadon> if you want to see it in action its the orange McLaren
2015-12-24 00:44 <Ubit> im looking to the center of mass thing now
2015-12-24 00:45 <nebadon> no worries i was just surprised to see same behavior in ubode
2015-12-24 00:45 <nebadon> the car is a bit wierd 
2015-12-24 00:46 <nebadon> especially when it leaves the ground
2015-12-24 00:46 <nebadon> i can probably script around that
2015-12-24 00:46 <nebadon> a bit anyway
2015-12-24 00:46 <nebadon> mostly it feels good, maybe a bit too responsive
2015-12-24 00:46 <nebadon> turns a bit tight depending on the gear
2015-12-24 00:46 <nebadon> not quite the same as bullet
2015-12-24 00:46 <nebadon> but not horribly different 
2015-12-24 00:47 <nebadon> jumping over the bridge felt very diffferent
2015-12-24 00:48 <djphil> ubODE seems to need more propulsion to move an object
2015-12-24 00:49 <djphil> i rez with a firework velocity bullet ... with the height reached about twice
2015-12-24 00:50 <djphil> with bullet*
2015-12-24 00:51 <djphil> it goes with ubODE least 2x high
2015-12-24 00:56 <Ubit> yeap some diferences are to be expected.. diferent development etc
2015-12-24 00:56 <Ubit> funny i don't use center of mass fix for prims meshs
2015-12-24 00:56 <Ubit> why ?  hmm
2015-12-24 00:59 <djphil> hehe found a ub Mesh bug
2015-12-24 00:59 <djphil> http://digigrids.no-ip.org/ubmeshbug/
2015-12-24 00:59 <djphil> sorry for low bandwish ...
2015-12-24 00:59 <djphil> bug is: the ball don't wnat go inside the box ^^
2015-12-24 01:00 <djphil> the bix is a mesh
2015-12-24 01:00 <djphil> with LOD from file
2015-12-24 01:00 <djphil> box*
2015-12-24 01:00 <Ubit> check it its set as prim
2015-12-24 01:00 <djphil> mom
2015-12-24 01:01 <Ubit> on the physics shape type
2015-12-24 01:02 <djphil> perfect :)
2015-12-24 01:02 <Ubit> was prim type ?
2015-12-24 01:02 <djphil> "prim"
2015-12-24 01:02 <Ubit> on the video, it was prim or convex ?
2015-12-24 01:03 <djphil> on video is "convex"
2015-12-24 01:03 <Ubit> ok then not a bug :p
2015-12-24 01:03 <djphil> with "none" is same as video
2015-12-24 01:03 <djphil> yep, not a bug
2015-12-24 01:03 <Ubit> none?
2015-12-24 01:03 <Ubit> you should not be able to set none on a root prim
2015-12-24 01:03 <djphil> type None
2015-12-24 01:04 <djphil> ha yes, exact
2015-12-24 01:04 <djphil> i no see it change ^^
2015-12-24 01:04 <Ubit> ahh...  that mb a bug
2015-12-24 01:04 <Ubit> it sets as convex possible not telling the viewer
2015-12-24 01:05 <djphil> if i try put it on "none", it go automaticly on "convex"
2015-12-24 01:05 <Ubit> yeap
2015-12-24 01:05 <djphil> magic!
2015-12-24 01:05 <Ubit> sometimes the viewer may not show it
2015-12-24 01:05 <djphil> FS here
2015-12-24 01:05 <Ubit> we may just not send a update
2015-12-24 01:06 <Ubit> but it you select again it should show convex
2015-12-24 01:07 <Ubit> why did i decide not to use prim center of mass or tortured prims?
2015-12-24 01:07 <Ubit> what hell :)
2015-12-24 01:18 <Ubit> ahh
2015-12-24 01:18 <Ubit> better
2015-12-24 01:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #4568 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-24 01:22 <Ubit> just not sure why i didn't done it before.. hope it wasn't because of some issue
2015-12-24 01:22 <Ubit> djphil still around ?
2015-12-24 01:22 <djphil> yes
2015-12-24 01:22 <Ubit> can u test this change ?
2015-12-24 01:23 <djphil> i have no master here
2015-12-24 01:23 <Ubit> where where u testing ?
2015-12-24 01:23 <djphil> i'm using last OSG version
2015-12-24 01:24 <djphil> the precompiled version
2015-12-24 01:24 <Ubit> well jenkings is going to make a bin
2015-12-24 01:24 <djphil> ??
2015-12-24 01:24 <Ubit> hmm somewhere :)
2015-12-24 01:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4568: SUCCESS in 5 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4568/
2015-12-24 01:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add prim estimated center of mass correction also for tortured prims meshs. Not fully tested
2015-12-24 01:29 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=summary&p=opensim
2015-12-24 01:29 <Ubit> a bin there i think
2015-12-24 01:33 <djphil> why a bin ?
2015-12-24 01:34 <Ubit> for you to test, if you want
2015-12-24 01:34 <djphil> ha ok
2015-12-24 01:35 <djphil> i use the precompiled version of osgrid, i don't compile master myself (for now)
2015-12-24 01:35 <djphil> but i will test center of mass soon, when osgrid update the zip
2015-12-24 01:36 <Ubit> well dan needs time to do it :)
2015-12-24 01:36 <Ubit> im just worried why i didn't had it 
2015-12-24 01:36 <djphil> dans is in the cloud
2015-12-24 01:36 <djphil> dan*
2015-12-24 01:37 <djphil> i'm try to move te box with the ball inside (with keyframe motion) and that work fine
2015-12-24 01:46 <Ubit> nice
2015-12-24 02:15 <djphil> Ubit, can you do something for that http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7167
2015-12-24 02:15 <djphil> Elevator is ok in ubODE
2015-12-24 02:15 <djphil> Only Carroussel don't work
2015-12-24 02:18 <Ubit> a moving thing dragging a avatar standing on top of it ?
2015-12-24 02:18 <Ubit> not on ubode for now
2015-12-24 02:18 <Ubit> thing radams tried something on bullet
2015-12-24 02:19 <djphil> ha good news!
2015-12-24 02:23 <djphil> hmmm i see if you select the elevator prim when it move (alt + clic), your camera movment is inversed :o
2015-12-24 02:24 <djphil> if the platfor move up, the camera move down
2015-12-24 02:38 <Ubit> ?
2015-12-24 02:42 <Ubit> think that is a viewer thing
2015-12-24 02:44 <Ubit> yeap
2015-12-24 02:44 <Ubit> bad on FS, fine on singu
2015-12-24 02:48 <Ubit> Only linksets which uses the new prim equivalency system may be animated.
2015-12-24 02:48 <Ubit> funny
2015-12-24 02:53 <djphil> i restard my sim on master Ubit. I can make some new tests
2015-12-24 02:54 <Ubit> fs does seem to have the focus worng
2015-12-24 02:54 <djphil> i can report that on FS mantis
2015-12-24 02:54 <Ubit> elevator is odd at sl
2015-12-24 02:55 <Ubit> when goes down avatar legs go up bending on knees :)
2015-12-24 02:55 <djphil> when i try it on SL it work just fine
2015-12-24 02:55 <Ubit> guess depends on ava size 
2015-12-24 02:56 <Ubit> and key frame needs LI to work there
2015-12-24 02:56 <djphil> need what ?
2015-12-24 02:57 <Ubit> need the thing to have LI active
2015-12-24 02:57 <Ubit> not old prim
2015-12-24 02:57 <djphil> what is LI ?
2015-12-24 02:57 <Ubit> land impact
2015-12-24 02:57 <djphil> ha okiii
2015-12-24 02:58 <Ubit> yeap carousel does drage the avatar
2015-12-24 02:58 <Ubit> drag
2015-12-24 02:58 <djphil> yes
2015-12-24 02:58 <Ubit> well but does not rotate him
2015-12-24 02:59 <djphil> yeahn just drag the avatar :)
2015-12-24 02:59 <Ubit> position of the avatar changes on the prim
2015-12-24 02:59 <djphil> arfff simu don't start here :(
2015-12-24 02:59 <djphil> crashed!
2015-12-24 03:00 <djphil> with ubODE alert
2015-12-24 03:00 <Ubit> what alert?
2015-12-24 03:01 <djphil> this http://s12.postimg.org/4udlgssnh/2015_12_24_04_02_02.jpg
2015-12-24 03:03 <Ubit> failed creating a mesh cache file ??
2015-12-24 03:04 <djphil> it say can't acced to the file because the file is in use by another ...
2015-12-24 03:04 <Ubit> strange
2015-12-24 03:04 <Ubit> never seen that
2015-12-24 03:07 <djphil> ok now is started
2015-12-24 03:07 <djphil> but with a new alert
2015-12-24 03:07 <djphil> http://pastebin.com/3xHcBgea
2015-12-24 03:07 <djphil> where is this mesh lol
2015-12-24 03:08 <Ubit> seems it has no rights ???
2015-12-24 03:09 <Ubit> shut it down
2015-12-24 03:09 <Ubit> and delete folder bin\MeshCache
2015-12-24 03:09 <djphil> Mmmm just online now ^^
2015-12-24 03:10 <djphil> i do that just next
2015-12-24 03:10 <Ubit> that file possible got stuck somehow
2015-12-24 03:10 <djphil> yeah !!! nice !!!
2015-12-24 03:10 <djphil> beautifull center of mass
2015-12-24 03:10 <Ubit> ?
2015-12-24 03:11 <Ubit> :)
2015-12-24 03:11 <djphil> :)
2015-12-24 03:11 <djphil> just fine!
2015-12-24 03:11 <Ubit> well lets hope i didn't disable it because of something else :)
2015-12-24 03:11 <Ubit> but it was active for uploaded meshs
2015-12-24 03:11 <Ubit> just not prim ones
2015-12-24 03:12 <djphil> if i change the center of mass in blender, the change is same in opensim ?
2015-12-24 03:13 <Ubit> it tries to compute it from vertices
2015-12-24 03:13 <djphil> Mmm interessing :)
2015-12-24 03:13 <Ubit> not the most accurate thing
2015-12-24 03:15 <djphil> you whant other test ?
2015-12-24 03:15 <Ubit> hard to guess what can be now wrong :)
2015-12-24 03:15 <Ubit> hope nothing ;)
2015-12-24 03:16 <djphil> stuff about http_response is in this release ?
2015-12-24 03:16 <Ubit> ( mb some objects not move diferent )
2015-12-24 03:16 <Ubit> now...
2015-12-24 03:16 <Ubit> some boats may sink lol
2015-12-24 03:17 <djphil> no http_response inside :s
2015-12-24 03:17 <djphil> lol
2015-12-24 03:17 <Ubit> hmm i should add that ossl function
2015-12-24 03:17 <Ubit> to allow buiilders to set mass center of mass and inertia
2015-12-24 03:17 <djphil> ossl without limit :)
2015-12-24 03:17 <djphil> ha oki
2015-12-24 03:17 <Ubit> override all that wrong math
2015-12-24 03:18 <Ubit> wrong and heavy
2015-12-24 03:18 <djphil> we will make a rigged dice for casino
2015-12-24 03:20 <Ubit> yeap hard to mk carousel work :(
2015-12-24 03:28 <djphil> isn't alway easy
2015-12-24 03:30 <Ubit> to unlock it
2015-12-24 03:30 <Ubit> avatars will slip down ramps terrain etc
2015-12-24 03:33 <Ubit> ohh also doesnt work with bullet
2015-12-24 03:33 <djphil> yep, the mantis is for bullet
2015-12-24 03:33 <Ubit> rotation at least
2015-12-24 03:38 <Ubit> ohh and physics doen't see keyframes
2015-12-24 04:09 <djphil> llVolumeDetect true/false don't work here
2015-12-24 04:09 <djphil> when it back to false the prim is still phantom
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2015-12-24 10:52 <osmantis> Bug #7788:04 OS functions osNpcMoveToTarget and osNpcStopMoveToTarget not working in ubOde physics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7788 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-24 10:58 <osmantis> Bug #7788:04 OS functions osNpcMoveToTarget and osNpcStopMoveToTarget not working in ubOde physics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7788 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-24 11:24 <osmantis> Bug #7787:04 osGetRegionMapTexture does not seem to work on Variable Regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7787 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-24 11:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #4569 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-24 11:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4569: SUCCESS in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4569/
2015-12-24 11:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: enable the upload region map texture asset for large regions for large regions that i had disabled, but with max size reduced to 512pixels. New viewers don't use this, but osGetRegionMapTexture needs it ( mantis 7787 )
2015-12-24 12:09 <osmantis> Bug #7790:04 osNpcPlayAnimation() causes 100% cpu load (all cores) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7790 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-12-24 14:21 <osmantis> Bug #7791:04 32bit and 64bit ode libs for linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7791 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-12-24 14:21 <Ubit> ty :)
2015-12-24 14:22 <danbanner> yw
2015-12-24 18:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #4570 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-24 18:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4570: SUCCESS in 5 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4570/
2015-12-24 18:11 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: The configger tool hadn't been updated since the introduction of OpenSimDefaults! :0
2015-12-24 18:25 <Plugh> Ubit: In your recent change to 0.8.0PF how can masterFileName ever be "none" since the line before the if check is supposed to return a default value, AFAIK.
2015-12-24 18:49 <osmantis> Bug #7766:04 Making Hypergrid Landmarks, and buying objects from Kitely to 0.9 code does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7766 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-24 18:54 <osmantis> Bug #7761:04 Viewer crashes consistently while crossing border between 0.9 with ubode enabled regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7761 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-24 18:55 <osmantis> Bug #7761:04 Viewer crashes consistently while crossing border between 0.9 with ubode enabled regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7761 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-12-24 18:57 <osmantis> Bug #7762:04 Mesh becomes invisible on tp between 0.9 / ubode regions. not consistant. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7762 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-24 18:57 <osmantis> Bug #7762:04 Mesh becomes invisible on tp between 0.9 / ubode regions. not consistant. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7762 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-12-24 19:03 <osmantis> Bug #7766:04 Making Hypergrid Landmarks, and buying objects from Kitely to 0.9 code does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7766 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-24 19:10 <osmantis> Bug #7787:04 osGetRegionMapTexture does not seem to work on Variable Regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7787 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-24 19:10 <osmantis> Bug #7787:04 osGetRegionMapTexture does not seem to work on Variable Regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7787 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-12-24 20:50 <osmantis> Bug #7788:04 OS functions osNpcMoveToTarget and osNpcStopMoveToTarget not working in ubOde physics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7788 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-24 20:57 <osmantis> Bug #7788:04 OS functions osNpcMoveToTarget and osNpcStopMoveToTarget not working in ubOde physics 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7788 ): has been RESOLVED.
2015-12-24 21:14 <osmantis> Bug #7790:04 osNpcPlayAnimation() causes 100% cpu load (all cores) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7790 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-12-24 21:18 <osmantis> Bug #7790:04 osNpcPlayAnimation() causes 100% cpu load (all cores) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7790 ): has been CLOSED
2015-12-24 21:19 <osmantis> Bug #7790:04 osNpcPlayAnimation() causes 100% cpu load (all cores) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7790 ): has been UPDATED.
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2015-12-25 10:42 <fixmeister> happy x mass all
2015-12-25 10:42 <fixmeister> Q: does diva support irc bridge?
2015-12-25 10:42 <Ubit> maybe if the bridge isn't 2 heavy :p
2015-12-25 10:43 <fixmeister> heheh hi ubit :D
2015-12-25 10:43 <Ubit> ( happy Xmas 2 u 2 )
2015-12-25 10:43 <fixmeister> but serious, does it support irc
2015-12-25 10:43 <Ubit> don't really know
2015-12-25 10:44 <fixmeister> arfonzo you know ?
2015-12-25 10:44 <fixmeister> merry xmass to yu and mariate :D
2015-12-25 10:54 <Ubit> merge? i did no merge... this git is scary sometimes
2015-12-25 10:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #4571 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-25 10:56 <Ubit> hmm possible bc i changed my repo before pulling changes on master
2015-12-25 11:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4571: SUCCESS in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4571/
2015-12-25 11:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few code cosmetic changes
2015-12-25 11:08 <arfonzo> Fixmeister, merry Christmas mang! It's been so long since I used diva that I can't remember, but I suspect it should work with IRC bridge 
2015-12-25 11:09 <fixmeister> i tried the normal way in the config but it seems the pluggin is not present at al
2015-12-25 11:20 <arfonzo> Hm you might need the dll from a standard instance with the IRC bridge but I'm not sure, sorry. Why are you messing around with diva on Christmas anyways? :) 
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2015-12-25 11:36 <fixmeister> oh i dont understand french tv man :D
2015-12-25 11:39 <Hiro_Protagonist> Merry Christmas devs :)
2015-12-25 12:02 <AliciaRaven> Ubit, the merge is because the previous commit was not from you and you must have pulled those changes after your last commits, so when you pushed it gave the merge commit, i think its stupid but that seems to be why it happens
2015-12-25 12:03 <AliciaRaven> happy christmas everyone :)
2015-12-25 12:22 <Ubit> happy Xmas 2 you 2
2015-12-25 12:23 <Ubit> yeap think that was it
2015-12-25 12:23 <Ubit> it kinda created a local branch
2015-12-25 12:29 <AliciaRaven> i think the only way to avoid it is to pull before you commit, probably have to stash your changes before you pull, then commit and push
2015-12-25 12:29 <Ubit> yeap i just forgot to do the pull :)
2015-12-25 12:29 <AliciaRaven> git is weird lol
2015-12-25 13:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #4572 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-25 13:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4572: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4572/
2015-12-25 13:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: try to implement HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH. Make it limit body input bytes. Read entire relevant input buffer before UTF-8 parsing, or it may fail.
2015-12-25 14:00 <osmantis> Bug #7789:04 Implement HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH in llHTTPRequest 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-25 14:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #4573 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-25 14:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4573: SUCCESS in 5 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4573/
2015-12-25 14:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: assume direct string.replace is good enought to avoid a stringbuild use
2015-12-25 14:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #4574 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-25 14:35 <osmantis> Bug #7789:04 Implement HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH in llHTTPRequest 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2015-12-25 14:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix html encapsulation for MSIE was doing nothing
2015-12-25 16:30 <djphil> Ubit, you arround ?
2015-12-25 16:30 <Ubit> no
2015-12-25 16:30 <djphil> cool!
2015-12-25 16:30 <Ubit> errr damm
2015-12-25 16:30 <Ubit> :)
2015-12-25 16:30 <Ubit> hi :)
2015-12-25 16:31 <Ubit> what's up ?
2015-12-25 16:31 <djphil> i see you try to fix BODY MAX LENGTH
2015-12-25 16:31 <Ubit> yeap i did
2015-12-25 16:31 <djphil> i see the patch add a MAX value (16384)
2015-12-25 16:32 <Ubit> yeap as spec
2015-12-25 16:32 <Ubit> ( spec also mention 4096 on older lsl engine )
2015-12-25 16:33 <djphil> if a whant remove this value to get a "no limit" length, can change16384 to 32.xxx or 64.xxx or 128.xxx ?
2015-12-25 16:33 <Ubit> and risk blowing it ? :)
2015-12-25 16:33 <djphil> in the past, opensim have "no-limit" ...
2015-12-25 16:34 <Ubit> that wasn't a nice thing
2015-12-25 16:34 <djphil> and probably 16384 is to little (for me)
2015-12-25 16:34 <Ubit> scripts arent suppose to handle large data
2015-12-25 16:35 <djphil> of course, frirst a need to test all my scripts using http request/sesponce
2015-12-25 16:35 <Ubit> well test it
2015-12-25 16:35 <Ubit> i just whould not like to add still another hard to read config option :)
2015-12-25 16:35 <Ubit> bc there should be a limit there
2015-12-25 16:36 <Ubit> actually there is a hard size buffer allocation
2015-12-25 16:37 <Ubit> see the code
2015-12-25 16:39 <djphil> "Http BodyMaxLenMAX = admin value" would have been easier to change if he had been present in a file OpenSim.ini
2015-12-25 16:39 <Ubit> easier for you :p
2015-12-25 16:39 <djphil> yeah and all users
2015-12-25 16:39 <Ubit> i think 16k is already too big for scripts
2015-12-25 16:40 <djphil> i will test that ... i don'ty know
2015-12-25 16:40 <djphil> just i know my scripts get sometimes 100 datas ... or sometimes 500 ...
2015-12-25 16:41 <djphil> i suspect 16384 is ti little (fir me)
2015-12-25 16:41 <djphil> but need test first
2015-12-25 16:41 <Ubit> ty :)
2015-12-25 16:41 <djphil> tank's to you too
2015-12-25 16:42 <Ubit> remember that is size in bytes
2015-12-25 16:42 <Ubit> there is a consusion all around, when uft-8 encoding
2015-12-25 16:43 <Ubit> ( the url i tested only got 16383 chars bc of that :) )
2015-12-25 16:44 <Ubit> ( confusion in some wikis.. )
2015-12-25 16:45 <djphil> forward without limit, it was not a problem
2015-12-25 16:45 <Ubit> there must be a limit
2015-12-25 16:45 <djphil> yeah ... if you whant do like SL
2015-12-25 16:46 <Ubit> sl does it for the same valid reasons
2015-12-25 16:46 <Ubit> stop thinking "no-limits" is good..
2015-12-25 16:46 <djphil> before avimerge have you see a mantis about that ?
2015-12-25 16:47 <Ubit> its only good to have unpredicatable code and crashs
2015-12-25 16:47 <djphil> yeah i can understand that ...
2015-12-25 16:47 <Ubit> so lets have a nice workable limit :)
2015-12-25 16:47 <djphil> but i can not understand why region admin don't can have choice for limit
2015-12-25 16:49 <Ubit> bc we need the cpu to run usefull code, not wasting all the time checking options  only a few care about
2015-12-25 16:49 <Ubit> ( and some options are very far from the checkpoints in code )
2015-12-25 16:50 <Ubit> or potencial options/checkpoints
2015-12-25 16:51 <djphil> i no really understand
2015-12-25 16:51 <djphil> but that life ...
2015-12-25 16:51 <Ubit> what part didn't u understand?
2015-12-25 16:52 <djphil> i check the ini
2015-12-25 16:52 <djphil> some security params
2015-12-25 16:52 <djphil> eg, radmin commands
2015-12-25 16:52 <djphil> or OutboundDisallowForUserScripts
2015-12-25 16:52 <djphil> and more ...
2015-12-25 16:52 <djphil> allways admin have chose
2015-12-25 16:53 <djphil> adding OutboundDisallowForUserScripts = 0.0.0.0/8|10.0.0.0/8 ....
2015-12-25 16:53 <djphil> or not
2015-12-25 16:53 <Ubit> yeap guess some options could be deleted :p
2015-12-25 16:54 <Ubit> i do like option like everyone..  but within reason
2015-12-25 16:54 <Ubit> somethings should be set at design stage..
2015-12-25 16:54 <Ubit> ( specially being a opensource code, special needs can change it a bit )
2015-12-25 17:00 <djphil> imagine you get a nice car going very fast. You drop off your car at the garage owner ...  and when you come looking for your car speed is now limited to 120 km/h it is very frustrating ...
2015-12-25 17:00 <Ubit> several countries plane built in speed limits in cars
2015-12-25 17:00 <djphil> but for scripts, maybee 16383 is enough ... need test
2015-12-25 17:01 <Ubit> actuall  some already have it like germany
2015-12-25 17:01 <djphil> hahaha, is a exemple :)
2015-12-25 17:01 <Ubit> you need to be a sports car manuf to make it faster than ???km/h
2015-12-25 17:01 <djphil> sure you understand :p
2015-12-25 17:01 <Ubit> but some plan a lot harder limits
2015-12-25 17:02 <Ubit> like 50km  every time you enter a village
2015-12-25 17:13 <djphil> village = options configurable by admin ^^
2015-12-25 17:13 <Ubit> yeah yeah .. tell them that :P
2015-12-25 17:14 <djphil> (responsible admin)
2015-12-25 17:17 <djphil> You know if your patch is already in the OSG release ?
2015-12-25 17:24 <Ubit> nopes
2015-12-25 17:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #4575 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-25 17:44 <djphil> NEb, Sisyphus is actually turned on Bulletsim or ubOde ?
2015-12-25 17:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4575: SUCCESS in 5 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4575/
2015-12-25 17:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ODE lib change:  fix capsule - mesh faces double side collisions. Do double side collisions if at least two dimensions of the mesh are 1.5x the capsule height, otherwise do single side as before. SL and bullet do double Side always. Double side can cause instabilities in some cases. i only windows dev enviroment for the moment. to build for your enviroment: git clone git://opensimulator.org/git/opensim-libs. This maybe be very broken,
2015-12-25 17:51 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics affected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-25 17:51 <Ubit> ok funny things may now happen to avatars :p
2015-12-25 17:52 <Ubit> ( like getting trappes inside a mesh )
2015-12-25 17:52 <Ubit> trapped 
2015-12-25 17:53 <Ubit> but its needed for compatibility with SL and bullet on some physics meshs
2015-12-25 18:00 <osmantis> Bug #7760:04 Mesh physics affected ( cannot walk inside of a mesh train ) resulted when switching from Bullet to ubOde, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-25 19:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #4576 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-25 19:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4576: SUCCESS in 5 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4576/
2015-12-25 19:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ODE lib: update the lib for linux 64bit. Thnx Dan. (keep older close in case this fails
2015-12-25 21:33 <osmantis> Bug #7791:04 32bit and 64bit ode libs for linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7791 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-26 01:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #4577 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-26 01:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4577: SUCCESS in 5 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4577/
2015-12-26 01:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix cilinder and cone physics mesh
2015-12-26 01:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #4578 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-26 02:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4578: SUCCESS in 5 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4578/
2015-12-26 02:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ODE lib: update the lib for linux 32bit. Thnx Dan. (keep older close in case this fails
2015-12-26 02:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #4579 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-26 02:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4579: SUCCESS in 5 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4579/
2015-12-26 02:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ODE lib: update the lib for linux 32bit and 64bit, this time without debug info. Thnx again Dan. (keep older close in case this fails
2015-12-26 15:33 <osmantis> Bug #7792:04 On var region, Tree module puts all trees within a 256x256 area and ignores the fact that vars are much larger 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7792 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-12-26 15:34 <osmantis> Bug #7792:04 On var region, Tree module puts all trees within a 256x256 area and ignores the fact that vars are much larger 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7792 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-12-26 15:34 <osmantis> Bug #7792:04 On var region, Tree module puts all trees within a 256x256 area and ignores the fact that vars are much larger 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7792 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-12-26 15:37 <osmantis> Bug #7792:04 On var region, Tree module puts all trees within a 256x256 area and ignores the fact that vars are much larger 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7792 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-12-26 15:43 <osmantis> Bug #7792:04 On var region, Tree module puts all trees within a 256x256 area and ignores the fact that vars are much larger 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7792 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-12-26 15:48 <osmantis> Bug #7792:04 On var region, Tree module puts all trees within a 256x256 area and ignores the fact that vars are much larger 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7792 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-12-26 15:50 <osmantis> Bug #7792:04 On var region, Tree module puts all trees within a 256x256 area and ignores the fact that vars are much larger 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7792 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-12-26 17:12 <osmantis> Bug #7792:04 On var region, Tree module puts all trees within a 256x256 area and ignores the fact that vars are much larger 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7792 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-26 20:04 <Rodger> can npc now cross regions? i keep seeing entity transfer module crossing agent jason clona complete
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2015-12-26 20:10 <nebadon> no
2015-12-26 20:11 <nebadon> you could probably craft an object to respawn the NPC as it crosses a border though
2015-12-26 20:11 <nebadon> but it probably wouldnt be a super smooth transition
2015-12-26 20:11 <nebadon> it would kind of blink out and bank in, might be harsh
2015-12-26 20:12 <Ubit> there is also the control issue 
2015-12-26 20:12 <nebadon> the object would need to be completely self contained
2015-12-26 20:13 <nebadon> basically the NPC would just kind of be along for the ride as an attachment
2015-12-26 20:13 <Ubit> hmm 
2015-12-26 20:13 <nebadon> but the crossing would be harsh
2015-12-26 20:13 <nebadon> no doubt
2015-12-26 20:13 <Ubit> well for many things it is just like a avatar
2015-12-26 20:14 <Ubit> so crossing code could work
2015-12-26 20:14 <Ubit> hmm but not sure we do really want that :)
2015-12-26 20:14 <nebadon> there would need to be some kind of control
2015-12-26 20:14 <nebadon> to prevent that though too possibly
2015-12-26 20:15 <nebadon> as you could ddos a region with npc
2015-12-26 20:15 <Ubit> yeap
2015-12-26 20:15 <nebadon> just send in 40 npc
2015-12-26 20:15 <nebadon> haha
2015-12-26 20:15 <Ubit> :)
2015-12-26 20:15 <nebadon> i do it to myself in Encitra all the time
2015-12-26 20:15 <nebadon> forget to bump limit to 100
2015-12-26 20:15 <nebadon> and rez 50 npc
2015-12-26 20:15 <nebadon> then i cant get back in
2015-12-26 20:15 <nebadon> until i god mode
2015-12-26 20:16 <Ubit> ohh?
2015-12-26 20:16 <nebadon> usually its someone else telling me the region is broken
2015-12-26 20:16 <nebadon> lol
2015-12-26 20:16 <Ubit> only 50 ?
2015-12-26 20:16 <nebadon> well the default limit is 40
2015-12-26 20:16 <nebadon> and the viewer wont let you go beyond 100
2015-12-26 20:16 <nebadon> for total user limit
2015-12-26 20:16 <nebadon> so its not hard to lock yourself out by filling region to capacity with NPC
2015-12-26 20:17 <nebadon> region owner wouldnt get locked out probably
2015-12-26 20:17 <nebadon> but a normal user could
2015-12-26 20:17 <Ubit> hmm btw for some odd reason my sl viewer is now doing less than 1fps
2015-12-26 20:17 <Ubit> where fs does 38
2015-12-26 20:17 <nebadon> check task manager for hung viewers
2015-12-26 20:17 <nebadon> usually the cause for me
2015-12-26 20:17 <Ubit> i went to check some prim torture limits on it.. poff
2015-12-26 20:18 <Ubit> ( like spheres don't have Taper like FS shows, of holesize like singu shows
2015-12-26 20:18 <Ubit> sl physics totally ignores that
2015-12-26 20:19 <Ubit> but at 1fps i couldn't test much :)
2015-12-26 20:20 <Ubit> think i did update the gpu drivers.. it was working fine bf that
2015-12-26 20:24 <linkedinyou> who is Mic Bowman cmickeyb ?
2015-12-26 20:24 <Ubit> one dev
2015-12-26 20:24 <linkedinyou> is he in IRC
2015-12-26 20:24 <Ubit> used 2
2015-12-26 20:24 <Ubit> don't see him around for a long time :(
2015-12-26 20:25 <linkedinyou> his last commits on 2014-12-31 00:26
2015-12-26 20:25 <linkedinyou> a year ago
2015-12-26 20:25 <Ubit> yeap
2015-12-26 20:26 <linkedinyou> i am engaging in jsonrpc and see he is the one used to this before
2015-12-26 20:26 <linkedinyou> for assets get data
2015-12-26 20:26 <nebadon> ya most of the json folks are not around much
2015-12-26 20:27 <nebadon> bluewall and mic were kind of the json people
2015-12-26 20:27 <linkedinyou> becouse it is the peice that mak you leave opensim lol
2015-12-26 20:27 <nebadon> no idea who else would know much about it
2015-12-26 20:27 <nebadon> im sure if you email mic he would eventually respond to you
2015-12-26 20:27 <nebadon> if its a simple question
2015-12-26 20:28 <linkedinyou> it is very crazy to do assets with json as i am started to make it with opensim 0.9.
2015-12-26 20:29 <nebadon> you trying to do webgl viewer or something?
2015-12-26 20:29 <linkedinyou> bluewall respond to me but that was 4 days ago and did not see him since then i am thinking of messeging mic
2015-12-26 20:30 <linkedinyou> i am trying for assets json and my other project with webgl those whom make you leave opensim for goodd lol
2015-12-26 20:30 <nebadon> i am still not convinced opensim and webgl will ever be a good match
2015-12-26 20:30 <linkedinyou> it is good match really
2015-12-26 20:31 <nebadon> not SL style opensim
2015-12-26 20:31 <nebadon> let me put it that way
2015-12-26 20:31 <nebadon> i think do do webgl opensim right it needs completely new protocols and asset types
2015-12-26 20:31 <nebadon> loose LSL completely
2015-12-26 20:31 <nebadon> lose*
2015-12-26 20:31 <linkedinyou> it will be soon since there is so many changes in the GPU nowadays
2015-12-26 20:31 <Ubit> loose lsl  why ?
2015-12-26 20:32 <nebadon> cause it means supporting a lot of SL crap
2015-12-26 20:32 <nebadon> has no place in WebGL
2015-12-26 20:32 <nebadon> will just make it slow
2015-12-26 20:32 <Ubit> the script ?
2015-12-26 20:32 <nebadon> updates and such
2015-12-26 20:32 <linkedinyou> true neb and it need to be open source if try to do it with webgl as we have lack of senior developer for webgl even for webRTC
2015-12-26 20:32 <nebadon> like animating prims and textures
2015-12-26 20:32 <nebadon> particles
2015-12-26 20:32 <nebadon> i think its a bad idea
2015-12-26 20:33 <nebadon> at best support would be very limited
2015-12-26 20:33 <Ubit> all games have those 
2015-12-26 20:33 <nebadon> sure im just saying dont use LSL
2015-12-26 20:33 <nebadon> for those things
2015-12-26 20:33 <nebadon> use something more appropriate to webgl
2015-12-26 20:33 <Ubit> ok
2015-12-26 20:33 <nebadon> SL doesnt fit into the webgl mold
2015-12-26 20:33 <nebadon> i dont think it ever will
2015-12-26 20:33 <nebadon> at best it will be subpar
2015-12-26 20:34 <linkedinyou> this is what i am thing of neb what about complete all in c++?
2015-12-26 20:34 <Ubit> well those region size are just a set of parameters
2015-12-26 20:34 <nebadon> C++ for webgl?
2015-12-26 20:34 <nebadon> that would not make any sense
2015-12-26 20:34 <nebadon> the point of webgl is that it runs natively in web browser
2015-12-26 20:35 <linkedinyou> yah
2015-12-26 20:35 <nebadon> Unity does stuff like convert C++ and C#
2015-12-26 20:35 <nebadon> there are tools for stuff like that, how maintainable that is without something like unity, i have no idea
2015-12-26 20:36 <nebadon> webgl is so new and will change a lot
2015-12-26 20:36 <nebadon> personally I think its to early
2015-12-26 20:36 <nebadon> any kind of opengl viewer adoption is way to premature
2015-12-26 20:36 <nebadon> unless you like completely rewriting things a lot
2015-12-26 20:37 <linkedinyou> there so many changes in GPU now and in khronos the done few changes to webgl
2015-12-26 20:37 <linkedinyou> i have completed a viewer with opengl es with java now
2015-12-26 20:37 <nebadon> ya but i can guarantee anything you write today, will need to be rewritten in a year or two
2015-12-26 20:37 <Ubit> bahh sl viewer doing a update
2015-12-26 20:37 <Ubit> possible thats why it was so so so slow
2015-12-26 20:37 <linkedinyou> would be easy to do it now with webgl
2015-12-26 20:39 <nebadon> I'll be surprised though if you can render most opensim scenes well in opengl
2015-12-26 20:39 <nebadon> have to decide how you handle things like skies, and day cycles etc..
2015-12-26 20:39 <Ubit> 70fps now lol
2015-12-26 20:40 <nebadon> there is a lot about the SL viewer that will be very hard to replicate
2015-12-26 20:40 <nebadon> in webgl
2015-12-26 20:40 <Ubit> ohh 18 now
2015-12-26 20:40 <Ubit> ohh 70 when mouse is on it, 18 when its not
2015-12-26 20:40 <nebadon> and then you have to ask yourself how can you do good scenes in WebGL when the viewer you build in looks absolutely nothing like the WebGL scene too
2015-12-26 20:41 <Ubit> nice   reduced fps when it is not selected
2015-12-26 20:41 <nebadon> so webgl will also pale in comparison I think
2015-12-26 20:41 <nebadon> cause its trying to emulate something its not
2015-12-26 20:41 <nebadon> instead of just being something that was designed to maximize its potential
2015-12-26 20:42 <nebadon> which i can tell you with zero doubt is not opensimulator
2015-12-26 20:43 <nebadon> someone needs to make a webgl module for opensim that limits functionality and optimzes formats for webgl
2015-12-26 20:43 <nebadon> and a new way to build scenes
2015-12-26 20:43 <nebadon> that isnt the SL viewer
2015-12-26 20:46 <Rodger> so does that mean that i can ignore that entity trasfer mssage?
2015-12-26 20:47 <Ubit> what entity trasfer mssage?
2015-12-26 20:54 <linkedinyou> by WebGL and OpenGL Extensions using openTK  new module allows Tao framework applications to run on OpenTK 
2015-12-26 20:55 <linkedinyou> implementing a robust cross-browser WebGL initialization function
2015-12-26 20:56 <linkedinyou> we can use getSupportedExtensions command
2015-12-26 21:02 <linkedinyou> OpenTK.Platform namespace provides a  base classes the ideal solution is to add  WebGL binding to OpenGL
2015-12-26 21:03 <nebadon> even still the opensim format and the quality of most of the builds is not suitable for webgl
2015-12-26 21:03 <nebadon> this is the bigger problem
2015-12-26 21:04 <nebadon> regions with 50000 prims and 1000s of textures
2015-12-26 21:04 <nebadon> there is not a whole lot you can do to make that work well in webgl
2015-12-26 21:04 <Ubit> does it work in viewers? :P
2015-12-26 21:04 <nebadon> webgl really requires very carefully crafted and very optimized content
2015-12-26 21:04 <nebadon> works very well in viewers
2015-12-26 21:05 <nebadon> the amount of content the LL viewer can display is quite impressive
2015-12-26 21:05 <nebadon> compared to many game engines
2015-12-26 21:05 <Ubit> well not on mine :)
2015-12-26 21:05 <Ubit> but yeap survives
2015-12-26 21:05 <nebadon> ya its hardware dependant, but what game environment isnt
2015-12-26 21:05 <nebadon> the biggest wall i hit is the web browsers themsevles
2015-12-26 21:06 <nebadon> being 32 bit and you can only load in about 512mb
2015-12-26 21:06 <Ubit> hmm seems viewers did like this last updade i did to the gpu drivers
2015-12-26 21:06 <nebadon> for any particular webgl scene
2015-12-26 21:06 <nebadon> before it bards
2015-12-26 21:06 <nebadon> barfs*
2015-12-26 21:06 <nebadon> so unless you force everyone to 64 bit web browsers, which isnt always possible
2015-12-26 21:06 <nebadon> its going to be a terrible experience
2015-12-26 21:07 <nebadon> even on 64 bit you are limited to about 2gb
2015-12-26 21:07 <nebadon> before it gets wonky
2015-12-26 21:07 <Ubit> duhh singu allows negative hole size ?
2015-12-26 21:07 <nebadon> that would surprise me
2015-12-26 21:12 <linkedinyou> i am using lz* for texture and new kernel modification <nebadon> ya its hardware dependant, but what game environment isnt
2015-12-26 21:13 <linkedinyou> Godwilling i will make it opessible soon and will be open source as it should be
2015-12-26 21:14 <nebadon> ya not to say you couldnt make the current opensim load scenes in webgl
2015-12-26 21:14 <nebadon> we have done it, dahlia has done it
2015-12-26 21:14 <linkedinyou> and zero streaming to the browser if you know what dose zero streaming mean
2015-12-26 21:14 <nebadon> performance was abysmal though
2015-12-26 21:15 <nebadon> im sure it could be improved some, but not to the point it performs as well or beyond what LL viewer is capable of
2015-12-26 21:15 <nebadon> especially with dozens of avatars moving about
2015-12-26 21:15 <linkedinyou> dahlia did good work but she can not manage alone this need big involvment from some other comminuty
2015-12-26 21:15 <nebadon> ya it definitely will
2015-12-26 21:16 <nebadon> i think webgl needs to improve drastically
2015-12-26 21:16 <nebadon> its a moving target
2015-12-26 21:16 <nebadon> which means developing a viewer on current technology will be a constant chase to keep up
2015-12-26 21:16 <nebadon> for quite a while
2015-12-26 21:16 <nebadon> webgl is far from done cooking
2015-12-26 21:16 <nebadon> its still thawing out on the counter if you ask me :)
2015-12-26 21:17 <linkedinyou> we still in the stage on open source level before we start to wallgarden our work as we can not do every technology that needed 
2015-12-26 21:17 <linkedinyou> nebadon:  there is people done this in zero streaming
2015-12-26 21:17 <nebadon> with opensim content?
2015-12-26 21:18 <linkedinyou> no
2015-12-26 21:18 <nebadon> :)
2015-12-26 21:18 <nebadon> i have no doubt with very professionally desgined content
2015-12-26 21:18 <nebadon> you can 
2015-12-26 21:18 <nebadon> with amatuer level content created with opensim tools
2015-12-26 21:18 <nebadon> i am not in anyway convinced it can be done in a good way
2015-12-26 21:18 <linkedinyou> i mean the technology is there already but we need to make it for opensim it is much easier now and dahlia in my openion was in the wronge direction
2015-12-26 21:19 <misterblue> Minecraft has its followers :)
2015-12-26 21:19 <nebadon> I want more than anything for a good webgl viewer
2015-12-26 21:19 <linkedinyou> minecraft easy to render txture
2015-12-26 21:19 <linkedinyou> agree neb
2015-12-26 21:20 <nebadon> but I also have to remain realistic to the fact that webgl is very weak
2015-12-26 21:20 <linkedinyou> the only thing that we do not have is time this way the delay
2015-12-26 21:21 <nebadon> personally id like to see something a bit more cross platform than WebGL
2015-12-26 21:21 <nebadon> WebGL means no mobile support
2015-12-26 21:21 <linkedinyou> we have
2015-12-26 21:21 <nebadon> or at best very limited mobile support
2015-12-26 21:21 <linkedinyou> i said it is zero streaming
2015-12-26 21:21 <nebadon> i dont know what zero streaming means
2015-12-26 21:21 <linkedinyou> i said it is lz*
2015-12-26 21:22 <nebadon> so you download the whole scene in 1 file?
2015-12-26 21:22 <nebadon> everytime there is an update?
2015-12-26 21:22 <nebadon> like bluemars?
2015-12-26 21:22 <nebadon> that was a horrible experience
2015-12-26 21:22 <linkedinyou> no bluemars it stuipid sorry
2015-12-26 21:22 <nebadon> haha ya
2015-12-26 21:22 <nebadon> but that is how it worked
2015-12-26 21:22 <misterblue> my appoach is to separate the world object selection from the actual rendering... the virtual world logic and decisions should be embedded into the WebGL viewer, the Unreal viewer or whatever
2015-12-26 21:22 <linkedinyou> hahaha i did not like it my self
2015-12-26 21:23 <misterblue> 
ACTION did wander around the empty BlueMars world a time or two :)

2015-12-26 21:24 <nebadon> I think first before anyone commits to a WebGL viewer
2015-12-26 21:24 <misterblue> 'should be' => 'should not be'
2015-12-26 21:24 <nebadon> we should be trying to render a variety of opensim created scenes 
2015-12-26 21:24 <nebadon> just as a demo
2015-12-26 21:24 <nebadon> totally standalone
2015-12-26 21:24 <misterblue> 
ACTION can't type after wrapping all the presents

2015-12-26 21:24 <nebadon> otherwise you are going to waste a lot of time
2015-12-26 21:24 <linkedinyou> zero streaming need a full modification of the kernel and one megacorporation just bought one 
2015-12-26 21:25 <nebadon> what kernel?
2015-12-26 21:25 <linkedinyou> mother kernel of OS
2015-12-26 21:26 <linkedinyou> and i like what you are doing in PI
2015-12-26 21:27 <nebadon> :) ok i have to run, have to go pickup my dad bbiab
2015-12-26 21:28 <linkedinyou> the whole existed kernels did not meant to be for 3d uses from the frist place 
2015-12-26 21:28 <linkedinyou> ok
2015-12-26 21:33 <misterblue> linkedinyou: you were asking about Mic a bit ago... I've worked on his projects and I built a test webgl opensim viewer  that used JSON... what are you up to?
2015-12-26 21:43 <linkedinyou> misterblue: 2 days ago  i asked too ,, and said apache thrift better then json 25 times faster i still confused and in early stage 
2015-12-26 21:44 <linkedinyou> i still not sure for json but it is there now and i wanted to change it
2015-12-26 21:45 <linkedinyou> misterblue: we have fmily gathering sorry  guys
2015-12-26 21:45 <misterblue> what's the question between JSON and anything else?
2015-12-26 21:46 <linkedinyou> family
2015-12-26 21:46 <misterblue> k... talk to you later
2015-12-26 21:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #4580 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2015-12-26 22:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubMeshmerizer: remove some wrong faces still present in taper cases, some code cleanup
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2015-12-27 17:01 <djphil> Hi, little question.
2015-12-27 17:01 <djphil> The statistical values (eg: sim FPS) are returned to the values before. The fix for MOSE appears to have been deleted from the version 0.9.x opensim. I see again 55fps +/- now. With MOSE I +/- 11fps. Is this normal?
2015-12-27 17:10 <misterblue> yes... the MOSES fix had the frame rate info return the actual value (the OpenSimulator heartbeat is about 11 per second) but that turned out to be a bad thing
2015-12-27 17:11 <misterblue> even though it was the real number, viewers thought there was something wrong with the simulator (the SL value is 45 to 55) so they tried to compensate with bad results
2015-12-27 17:11 <djphil> oki, ty
2015-12-27 17:11 <misterblue> so the change was reverted and other mechanisms were added to get the real number (as opposed to the the number the viewers expected
2015-12-27 17:12 <djphil> if chage are added, why osGetRegionStats return 55 now ?
2015-12-27 17:14 <misterblue> that was reverted to the old way... not sure where one gets the real number... let me look
2015-12-27 17:14 <djphil> i'm looking to json stats now too
2015-12-27 17:18 <misterblue> There are several systems for getting simulator statistics
2015-12-27 17:18 <djphil> yes ...
2015-12-27 17:19 <djphil> all should return the same values
2015-12-27 17:20 <misterblue> StatsManager will return stats as JSON if the URL is specified in the INI file
2015-12-27 17:20 <misterblue> I've before made JavaScript web pages that display region stats using that interface
2015-12-27 17:21 <djphil> you talk about Stats_URI = "jsonSimStats"
2015-12-27 17:22 <djphil> and this http://opensimulator.org/wiki/UXSimStatus
2015-12-27 17:25 <misterblue> that's one stats system... the StatsManager URL is specified in [Startup]ManagedStatsRemoteFetchURI
2015-12-27 17:26 <misterblue> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Show_stats
2015-12-27 17:27 <misterblue> StatsManager was something Justin and I were working on to centralize all the stats stuff... but couldn't get rid of all the existing systems for downward compatibility
2015-12-27 17:27 <djphil> Ha, I never used this one
2015-12-27 17:27 <misterblue> makes for a confusing situation
2015-12-27 17:28 <misterblue> StatsManager can be tested out from the console... "show stats all" or "show stats categoryName containerName" 
2015-12-27 17:29 <misterblue> the URL fetches can specify just a category or container also
2015-12-27 17:33 <misterblue> https://github.com/Misterblue/SimStats is a JavaScript example for fetching and displaying those stats
2015-12-27 17:36 <djphil> tank's
2015-12-27 17:39 <misterblue> The remote admin interface has a bunch of fetching and setting of region info but I  think that is RPC (not sure as I haven't played there much)
2015-12-27 17:50 <djphil> ouch, i get a lot of stats @ mydomain.com:12600/ManagedStats/
2015-12-27 17:51 <misterblue> ya... if you don't select a subset, you get them all :)
2015-12-27 17:55 <djphil> ok, your tools working fine here :)
2015-12-27 17:57 <misterblue> StatsManager did region stats... admin stuff didn't get added (list of users, parcel info, ...) as  that was left to the remote admin interface
2015-12-27 17:57 <misterblue> no particular reason they weren't merged other than they were built by different people for different uses
2015-12-27 17:58 <djphil> can i have ?
2015-12-27 17:59 <misterblue> have what? what particular things do you want in StatsManager? (a specific requirements list is always a good start :) )
2015-12-27 17:59 <djphil> So with Stats Manager, you can get admin stats without using the database with php
2015-12-27 17:59 <misterblue> yes
2015-12-27 18:00 <misterblue> you fetch the JSON and use JavaScript in the browser to display
2015-12-27 18:00 <djphil> have the admmin part
2015-12-27 18:00 <djphil> yeah, i read the code now (and try to understand)
2015-12-27 18:01 <djphil> i made some little stats page on my manager
2015-12-27 18:01 <misterblue> I had once thought of replacing all the admin applications with just a multi-tabbed web page that talked to the simulator/grid manager
2015-12-27 18:01 <djphil> with gauge, animated graphs, etc ...
2015-12-27 18:01 <djphil> i don't really use but fun to have :)
2015-12-27 18:02 <djphil> it's nice to get all these stats
2015-12-27 18:02 <djphil> (without db query)
2015-12-27 18:03 <misterblue> there is some code in the github example to use SparkLines for simple histograms but there is no reason to not go the whole javascript graphical display route
2015-12-27 18:03 <misterblue> like d3js.org controls
2015-12-27 18:04 <djphil> ho wow !
2015-12-27 18:04 <djphil> that funny for opensim map
2015-12-27 18:05 <djphil> yeah nice graphs
2015-12-27 18:06 <djphil> a very large sort ofgraphs exemples :)
2015-12-27 18:09 <nebadonPi> ya Bluewall had a nice one
2015-12-27 18:09 <nebadonPi> that was like RPM and MPH/KPH gauge on a car dash
2015-12-27 18:09 <nebadonPi> that would show the various opensim stats
2015-12-27 18:09 <nebadonPi> was cool
2015-12-27 18:09 <djphil> yeah with google api (gauges)
2015-12-27 18:12 <djphil> bootstrap 4 have nice new graph stuffs too
2015-12-27 18:12 <misterblue> I figured there was no reason to build a new PHP or whatever service when the simulator has an HTTP server and everyone has a browser
2015-12-27 18:13 <misterblue> put all the logic in the web pages (in the browser) and just have an interface on the simulator to fetch the data
2015-12-27 18:13 <djphil> yep!
2015-12-27 18:13 <djphil> php is just for radmin
2015-12-27 18:14 <misterblue> no reason for that if the simulator has the right APIs
2015-12-27 18:14 <misterblue> a browser page could list the users and have input to add new and delete old or to drill down into profiles
2015-12-27 18:15 <misterblue> if the simulator has the APIs to fetch and set
2015-12-27 18:15 <misterblue> the web page could authenticate and fetch a capability to talk over to do critical things
2015-12-27 18:15 <djphil> justin made some php tools for that
2015-12-27 18:16 <misterblue> true...  there are several admin services done that way... but no reason for a separate service
2015-12-27 18:31 <djphil> Hmmm, console send some red alert when stats manager is actived
2015-12-27 18:31 <djphil> http://pastebin.com/wz1MLpMf
2015-12-27 18:40 <Plugh> Its also speaking in French. :)
2015-12-27 18:41 <djphil> hehe :p
2015-12-27 18:41 <djphil> taht universal "OpenSim.Framework.Monitoring.StatsManager.GetStatsAsOSDMap"
2015-12-27 18:42 <djphil> (i'm testing on OS v0.8.x)
2015-12-27 18:42 <djphil> try wwith OS v0.9.x now
2015-12-27 18:43 <Plugh> djphil: hm... that error seems to indicate some data structure was modified while some other bit of code was in the middle of stepping through it.
2015-12-27 18:44 <Plugh> You have a race condition going on, or a lock is missing around some code.
2015-12-27 18:45 <djphil> Yes, maybe ... I test the code misterblue send above
2015-12-27 18:47 <djphil> it seems to be something in part "Server Statistics"
2015-12-27 18:48 <djphil> because sometimes it does not show and in this case I see red alert
2015-12-27 18:59 <djphil> same alert with OS v0.9.x
2015-12-27 19:17 <djphil> i see this message in Google Debug console : XMLHttpRequest cannot load http://domain.no-ip.org:12600/ManagedStats/?cat=server. No 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' header is present on the requested resource. Origin 'http://domain.no-ip.org' is therefore not allowed access.
2015-12-27 19:18 <djphil> there is this message randomly
2015-12-27 19:19 <djphil> and when there is this message, the "Server Statistics" is not displayed
2015-12-27 19:19 <djphil> Now we must find out why the access is not allowed sometimes ^^
2015-12-27 19:22 <djphil> ... it seems that the web pages must be on a different domain than the simulator
2015-12-27 19:22 <djphil> Hummm
2015-12-27 19:25 <djphil> sometimes same error when i set the stats to "localhost"
2015-12-27 19:25 <Plugh> That could be a DB user perms issue.
2015-12-27 19:26 <djphil> Stats Manager use DB
2015-12-27 19:26 <djphil> ?
2015-12-27 19:26 <Plugh> dunno. It was just first thought about changing host name.
2015-12-27 19:26 <Plugh> Probably doesn't use a DB.
2015-12-27 19:27 <Plugh> Seems odd it wouldn't work unless the page is running from a different domain.
2015-12-27 19:30 <djphil> i'm adding a issue on you git repo misterblue : https://github.com/Misterblue/SimStats/issues/1
2015-12-27 19:30 <djphil> :)
2015-12-27 19:34 <djphil> i need someting like that somewere : Access-Control-Allow-Origin: <origin> | *
2015-12-27 19:37 <djphil> Ho I just saw that this is not a problem with the code misterblue because I get the same message directly if I refreshed the page on the server opensim @ http://domain.com:9000/ManagedStats/
2015-12-27 19:37 <djphil> Arfff I must make a mantis opensim now
2015-12-27 19:43 <osmantis> Bug #7793:04 [BASE HTTP SERVER] System Invalid Operation Exception 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7793 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
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2015-12-27 23:06 <osmantis> Bug #7793:04 [BASE HTTP SERVER] System Invalid Operation Exception 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7793 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2015-12-27 23:08 <osmantis> Bug #7793:04 [BASE HTTP SERVER] System Invalid Operation Exception 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7793 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-27 23:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #4581 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2015-12-27 23:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4581: SUCCESS in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4581/
2015-12-27 23:22 <osjenkins> misterblue: Add locking around stats record fetch to resolve Mantis 7793.
2015-12-27 23:45 <djphil> :)
2015-12-28 00:24 <Plugh> hah! So I was right about a missing lock. :)
2015-12-28 00:28 <misterblue> I added a lock and hope that fixes it... the initial design didn't require a lock but things must have been added since then
2015-12-28 00:30 <misterblue> I wonder who uses which statistic APIs... it would be nice to remove a bunch or, at least, turn them into optional modules
2015-12-28 00:34 <misterblue> before I'd do a major refactor, though, I'd want to wait for Melanie_'s new simulator design
2015-12-28 00:45 <Melanie_> misterblue: which of the many things I said are you referring to?
2015-12-28 00:46 <misterblue> LOL... well, you said something about a new organization for the simulator internal classes -- somthing to replace the SOG/SOP model
2015-12-28 00:47 <misterblue> but then, I know we all have lots of ideas... and I know that I have more ideas of things I'd like to fix than I have hours in the day
2015-12-28 05:31 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-28 16:41 <Melanie_> misterblue: That is certainly a goal that I will be moving towards but there is so much in the simulator that depends on the current model that it's not something that will happen soon
2015-12-28 16:41 <Melanie_> what will happen is an entity component system
2015-12-28 16:42 <Melanie_> but depending on what areas you'd like to work on, that may not be interfering with your work
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2015-12-28 22:45 <nebadonPi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtVjutBZWLU
2015-12-28 22:45 <nebadonPi> lol
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2015-12-29 15:10 <osmantis> Bug #7792:04 On var region, Tree module puts all trees within a 256x256 area and ignores the fact that vars are much larger 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7792 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-29 15:11 <velusunivers-sys> is the tree module working ok? does it know when prims are in the place and not put them where the prims re
2015-12-29 15:56 <velusunivers-sys> hey i have a question about the new opensim, is the rest and restconcole still abl,e to use?
2015-12-29 15:57 <SammyG3> velusunivers-sys, on the tree module, I dont think it has changed in recent times, and last I used it, I believe it did plant trees in your living room.  It does have an option for only planting at certain elevations
2015-12-29 15:57 <SammyG3> I dont know about rest or rest console
2015-12-29 15:57 <velusunivers-sys> ok 
2015-12-29 15:58 <velusunivers-sys> i was looking through the website and came across the rest and restconsole lol im hopign it is still useable lol 
2015-12-29 15:58 <velusunivers-sys> SammyG3, do you docoding for the opensim?
2015-12-29 16:00 <velusunivers-sys> hmmm looks like rest has gone
2015-12-29 16:00 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: AFAIK, the rest console is still available. You have to enable it in the ini file.
2015-12-29 16:01 <velusunivers-sys> ok and the rest plugin has gone completely now (not the rest console)
2015-12-29 16:02 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: Which version of OS are you using?
2015-12-29 16:02 <velusunivers-sys> none but will be installing the latest from github
2015-12-29 16:03 <velusunivers-sys> is that 0.9 ?
2015-12-29 16:03 <Plugh> oh. so how do you appear to know that rest is gone if you have tried the code yet?
2015-12-29 16:03 <Plugh> um... have not tried
2015-12-29 16:04 <velusunivers-sys> i looked in the github and acroding to the opensim page http://opensimulator.org/wiki/REST the files are in OpenSimulator/ApplicationPlugins/Rest but when i look there is no REST folder
2015-12-29 16:05 <Plugh> In 082PF and master the settings for Rest related stuff are commented out in OpenSimDefaults.ini
2015-12-29 16:05 <velusunivers-sys> is that for restconsole or the rest plugin?
2015-12-29 16:18 <SammyG3> <-- not a programmer, user and tester ... velusunivers-sys
2015-12-29 16:22 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: Two of the entries mention RestPlugins. There is a comment in the defaults file that says "RestPlugins are not currently operational" so perhaps that is why the sections are commented out in the defaults file.
2015-12-29 16:22 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2015-12-29 16:23 <velusunivers-sys> i wikll be doing my work through remoteadmin or through direct db access
2015-12-29 16:27 <velusunivers-sys> with the region locations, if i have a var region of 1024X1024 on 100,100 what would be the next avilibale region locations?
2015-12-29 16:27 <Plugh> I've not used the Rest feature and have no idea how to use it. If there is something about it in the wiki I might try it out and see whether it is working or what part of it is broken.
2015-12-29 16:27 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2015-12-29 16:28 <Plugh> 1024 is 4 regions so that would take up 100-103 in both x and y. The next region would be at 104, if it is of the same size. If you want to add another region of different size you should leave at least one region empty space between the var at 100 and the next var.
2015-12-29 16:29 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2015-12-29 16:29 <Plugh> You can also add one other region west or south of 100x100 and same thing applies. 
2015-12-29 16:30 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2015-12-29 16:31 <Plugh> If you want another var west or south, you have to keep in mind that the coordinate for the region is for the south west corner. The region will start at the specified coordinate and extend out towards the greater X and Y values.
2015-12-29 16:31 <velusunivers-sys> ok 
2015-12-29 16:31 <Plugh> If you wanted a 2x2 var beside the 4x4 you couldn't have it closer than 97 in either x or y
2015-12-29 16:32 <Plugh> if you wanted it west or south of the 4x4.
2015-12-29 16:32 <velusunivers-sys> do you have to leave 1 region between regions for different sizes?
2015-12-29 16:32 <Plugh> That is currently recommended. The viewers might not handle it well if different sizes are up against each other.
2015-12-29 16:33 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2015-12-29 16:35 <velusunivers-sys> hmmmm im working on something, and will be looking into creating a webgui with plugins and so forth (for the php site) and looking at doing a create region plugin through remote admin, and well i need to make sure i get some bits right, i think i will need to have to do something one perticualar way for now
2015-12-29 17:52 <velusunivers-sys> nebadonPi, you about? 
2015-12-29 18:27 <osmantis> Bug #6782:04 [BulletSim] Bouding Box or Center of Mass or Similar problem 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6782 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2015-12-29 19:05 <nebadonPi> hey velusuniverse-sys i am now
2015-12-29 19:06 <velusunivers-sys> i + you on google about the maps you sent me
2015-12-29 19:06 <nebadonPi> ah cool
2015-12-29 19:06 <nebadonPi> didnt realize that was you :)
2015-12-29 19:06 <velusunivers-sys> its ok not many have lol 
2015-12-29 19:06 <velusunivers-sys> its my business acoount 
2015-12-29 19:06 <nebadonPi> plugh and ubit meeting at Wright plaza if you are interested
2015-12-29 19:06 <nebadonPi> nice
2015-12-29 19:06 <nebadonPi> ya hopefully it helps
2015-12-29 19:07 <nebadonPi> good working model even if you cant use that code exactly
2015-12-29 19:07 <nebadonPi> see a good way to do it
2015-12-29 19:07 <velusunivers-sys> the webmap is built using mysql_ which is outdated and insecure but i will be working on it 
2015-12-29 19:08 <nebadonPi> it only needs to be read only
2015-12-29 19:08 <nebadonPi> there are no db writes
2015-12-29 19:08 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2015-12-29 19:08 <nebadonPi> so its relatively safe as long as the account you use only has read access to the tables required
2015-12-29 19:09 <velusunivers-sys> but you can still inject into it technically and there is also the fact that in php7 it will not be useable
2015-12-29 19:10 <nebadonPi> if the account is limited to required tables
2015-12-29 19:10 <nebadonPi> injection wouldnt get you much
2015-12-29 19:10 <nebadonPi> that isnt already exposed 
2015-12-29 19:10 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2015-12-29 19:10 <nebadonPi> dont use a root account :)
2015-12-29 19:11 <velusunivers-sys> but from php7 it will be not able to be used they removed the mysql_ so you would have to use mysqli_ 
2015-12-29 19:11 <velusunivers-sys> or better still pdo
2015-12-29 19:11 <Plugh> nebadonPi: On my way. I was just talking with the family.
2015-12-29 19:16 <velusunivers-sys> what is fsassests ?
2015-12-29 20:32 <nebadonPi> velusunivers-sys its a core replacement for SRAS
2015-12-29 20:32 <nebadonPi> in C#
2015-12-29 20:32 <velusunivers-sys> sras?
2015-12-29 20:33 <nebadonPi> file based blobs
2015-12-29 20:33 <nebadonPi> Simple Ruby Asset Server
2015-12-29 20:33 <nebadonPi> which stored assets as blobs on disk
2015-12-29 20:33 <nebadonPi> basically think flotsam-cache
2015-12-29 20:33 <nebadonPi> but for asset server
2015-12-29 20:33 <velusunivers-sys> ok so a file assets
2015-12-29 20:33 <nebadonPi> yes
2015-12-29 20:33 <velusunivers-sys> like what auroa has
2015-12-29 20:33 <nebadonPi> but in the database we store a sha-256 hash
2015-12-29 20:33 <nebadonPi> and that allows for deduplication of assets
2015-12-29 20:33 <nebadonPi> so you arent storing the same texture 50000 times
2015-12-29 20:33 <velusunivers-sys> ok nice
2015-12-29 20:34 <nebadonPi> with the 1 in 100 billion chance of clash
2015-12-29 20:34 <nebadonPi> haha
2015-12-29 20:34 <velusunivers-sys> that sounds good and looks like it could be good and help reduce the size of the hdd's lol
2015-12-29 20:34 <nebadonPi> yes
2015-12-29 20:34 <nebadonPi> OSgrid when we switched to SRAS saw a 25% reduction in storage
2015-12-29 20:35 <nebadonPi> which at the time was quite significant
2015-12-29 20:35 <velusunivers-sys> hmmm wonder if there would be a way of having the assets stored on another server?
2015-12-29 20:35 <nebadonPi> you can run multiple asset servers
2015-12-29 20:35 <nebadonPi> and use nginx or other fancy methods
2015-12-29 20:35 <nebadonPi> when osgrid was converting from SHA-1 to SHA-256
2015-12-29 20:35 <nebadonPi> we had 2 servers running
2015-12-29 20:35 <nebadonPi> and it would check the new database first
2015-12-29 20:36 <nebadonPi> if the asset didnt exist it would check the second
2015-12-29 20:36 <velusunivers-sys> that sounds good, could you have load balanced service
2015-12-29 20:36 <nebadonPi> this went on for about 4-5 months
2015-12-29 20:36 <nebadonPi> as it slowly converted in the background
2015-12-29 20:36 <nebadonPi> no one ever noticed it happening
2015-12-29 20:36 <nebadonPi> yes that is how osgrid currently operates
2015-12-29 20:37 <velusunivers-sys> nice would love to know how that works? 
2015-12-29 20:37 <velusunivers-sys> also wonder if you could load balance the whole services?
2015-12-29 20:37 <nebadonPi> I unfortunately cant say, melanie and allenkerensky and danbanner are current mainatainers
2015-12-29 20:38 <nebadonPi> i have the basics down but in now way could i adequeately explain any of it
2015-12-29 20:38 <nebadonPi> haha
2015-12-29 20:38 <velusunivers-sys> ok 
2015-12-29 20:38 <nebadonPi> AliciaRaven has some knowledge of fsassets though 
2015-12-29 20:39 <nebadonPi> maybe can answer some questions
2015-12-29 20:39 <velusunivers-sys> nice
2015-12-29 20:39 <nebadonPi> as im sure many others here have been tinkering with it too
2015-12-29 20:39 <nebadonPi> i still have yet to use it
2015-12-29 20:39 <nebadonPi> we are considering a switch at encitra
2015-12-29 20:39 <nebadonPi> but that is down the road a bit
2015-12-29 20:40 <nebadonPi> its a bit more complicated for us though, our grid is nearly unrecognizable to a standard opensim config
2015-12-29 20:40 <nebadonPi> we have 1 unified grid
2015-12-29 20:40 <nebadonPi> but every model has its own asset server
2015-12-29 20:40 <nebadonPi> its very distributed
2015-12-29 20:40 <AliciaRaven> there is a guide to set it up on the wiki, http://opensimulator.org/wiki/FSAssets_Service
2015-12-29 20:40 <nebadonPi> so no one database is monolithic
2015-12-29 20:41 <velusunivers-sys> nice, and thanks AliciaRaven 
2015-12-29 20:41 <nebadonPi> still we could benefit from the deduplication no doubt
2015-12-29 20:41 <nebadonPi> i literaelly have like 30tb of storage though haha
2015-12-29 20:41 <velusunivers-sys> geze
2015-12-29 20:42 <nebadonPi> oh im not using it
2015-12-29 20:42 <nebadonPi> but its there lol
2015-12-29 20:42 <nebadonPi> id be surprised if im even really using 1tb
2015-12-29 20:42 <nebadonPi> hetzner servers are absurd what you get
2015-12-29 20:44 <velusunivers-sys> brb
2015-12-29 20:45 <nebadonPi> look what 200 eurors a month gets you > https://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/sx131
2015-12-29 20:45 <nebadonPi> lol
2015-12-29 20:45 <nebadonPi> this would be like 1000$ a month in USA
2015-12-29 20:45 <nebadonPi> maybe more
2015-12-29 21:00 <OtakuMegane> 1k seems a bit high an estimate
2015-12-29 21:02 <velusunivers-sys> nice
2015-12-29 21:03 <velusunivers-sys> but a bit much for me
2015-12-29 21:04 <OtakuMegane> US at least bandwidth would be the big chunk of price, probably as much or more of that alone. The server specs aren't astronomical or anything though.
2015-12-29 21:04 <velusunivers-sys> true true
2015-12-29 21:07 <OtakuMegane> Current storage capacity is less but my own server outdoes that one otherwise and about 1/5 the cost was hardware RAID with SSD caching, which that one doesn't have.
2015-12-29 21:08 <OtakuMegane> It's not a bad deal though, especially for the bandwidth
2015-12-29 21:09 <velusunivers-sys> true
2015-12-29 21:11 <OtakuMegane> Not that I could use that much. Don't even manage to use half of what I have now XD
2015-12-29 21:11 <velusunivers-sys> k
2015-12-29 21:13 <Plugh> nebadonPi: I sent you a PM.
2015-12-29 21:51 <nebadonPi> who is your how OtakuMegane
2015-12-29 21:51 <nebadonPi> ive not seen anything even close to what Hetzner offers in the US
2015-12-29 21:56 <OtakuMegane> Joe's Datacenter is where I'm colocated. Built the server myself though.
2015-12-29 21:59 <OtakuMegane> I don't see many places offering that much storage in server rentals, granted. The rest though isn't hard to find.
2015-12-29 22:14 <OtakuMegane> Probably helps they're using the newer high capacity drives. Most places seem to still be using 1TB-2TB drives.
2015-12-29 22:27 <velusunivers-sys> is osl still active?
2015-12-29 22:27 <velusunivers-sys> ossl*
2015-12-29 22:28 <velusunivers-sys> ok just saw the answer lol
2015-12-29 22:35 <velusunivers-sys> nebadonPi, just a quickie, there is 20 services, can they all be put on seperate servers? 
2015-12-29 23:09 <nebadonPi> mostly yes velusunivers-sys
2015-12-29 23:09 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2015-12-29 23:09 <nebadonPi> it can get a little tricky with hypergrid
2015-12-29 23:09 <nebadonPi> but as long as its done right shouldnt be a problem
2015-12-29 23:09 <osmantis> Bug #6782:04 [BulletSim] Bouding Box or Center of Mass or Similar problem 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6782 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-29 23:09 <velusunivers-sys> true
2015-12-29 23:09 <Ubit> oops missed the meeting
2015-12-29 23:14 <velusunivers-sys> nebadonPi, for the remote admin would any of the proposales be done? there is two i would like to be done, 
2015-12-29 23:17 <nebadonPi> not sure i understand what you mean
2015-12-29 23:17 <velusunivers-sys> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/RemoteAdmin:RemoteAdmin_Proposals shows some proposals and wanted to know if they or some would be made
2015-12-29 23:19 <nebadonPi> oh i am not sure
2015-12-29 23:19 <nebadonPi> i really dont use it at all
2015-12-29 23:19 <nebadonPi> i tried it once many years ago
2015-12-29 23:19 <velusunivers-sys> ok where would the current ones be? i may be able to look at creating one my self if i look over the code
2015-12-29 23:21 <nebadonPi> the only person who I can say for sure would know the remote admin stuff at this point is Melanie_T
2015-12-29 23:21 <velusunivers-sys> k
2015-12-29 23:21 <nebadonPi> others may but I cant say for sure who else would
2015-12-29 23:22 <Melanie_T> i didn't see that page
2015-12-29 23:22 <velusunivers-sys> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/RemoteAdmin:RemoteAdmin_Proposals
2015-12-29 23:22 <Melanie_T> i didn't implement any of those but we did implement some others that are also useful
2015-12-29 23:23 <Melanie_T> like we didn't implement mass teleport but did implement agent name/id query and single agent teleport afair
2015-12-29 23:23 <velusunivers-sys> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/RemoteAdmin this is the main page but i dont know if its uptodate 
2015-12-29 23:23 <Melanie_T> the WL stuff really doesn't belong there, it's better off in OSSL/LSL where it is now, IMHO
2015-12-29 23:23 <velusunivers-sys> what about load air and save
2015-12-29 23:23 <Melanie_T> but if someone added it i wouldn't be opposed
2015-12-29 23:23 <Melanie_T> IAR operations are password protected (in world) for a reason
2015-12-29 23:24 <velusunivers-sys> i dont get what you mean?
2015-12-29 23:24 <Melanie_T> they would not be acceptable as remoteadmin options unless the same restrictions (user's password needs to be known to invoke, user must be in region and agree) are applied
2015-12-29 23:24 <Melanie_T> it would be highly dangerous to allow a function that could save any user's inventory without their consent
2015-12-29 23:25 <Melanie_T> i see the usefulness for grids but it's too dangerous to leave unprotected in osgrid
2015-12-29 23:25 <velusunivers-sys> what about if it was done through a web site, and the site handles the security checks? 
2015-12-29 23:25 <Melanie_T> grid owners can always access the database directly
2015-12-29 23:25 <Melanie_T> 1 - the user must be in that region
2015-12-29 23:26 <velusunivers-sys> does it?
2015-12-29 23:26 <Melanie_T> 2 - the in-world user must be asked in world (yes no box)
2015-12-29 23:26 <Melanie_T> 3 - the user must enter his password (on the website) but the verification must be throughthe remote admin interface 
2015-12-29 23:26 <Melanie_T> then it would be as secure as the console command
2015-12-29 23:26 <Melanie_T> which would be acceptable
2015-12-29 23:27 <Melanie_T> agaiin, closed grid owners can go to the database anyway
2015-12-29 23:27 <Melanie_T> or change the code to suit
2015-12-29 23:27 <Melanie_T> the official code must remain suitable for osgrid
2015-12-29 23:27 <velusunivers-sys> so if someone wants to do a load iar the user has to be in a region and logged in? can it not be done while they are ofline
2015-12-29 23:28 <Melanie_T> no
2015-12-29 23:28 <Melanie_T> that would mean thaat any region owner can hijack any user's inventory (in osgrid)
2015-12-29 23:28 <velusunivers-sys> ok shame 
2015-12-29 23:29 <Melanie_T> it was specifically designed like this to make it impossible to hijack stuff in osgrid
2015-12-29 23:29 <velusunivers-sys> but what if it was for a closed grid? 
2015-12-29 23:29 <Melanie_T> you can always fork and change it for yourself
2015-12-29 23:29 <Melanie_T> but you'd not be allowed to use that code on osgid then
2015-12-29 23:29 <velusunivers-sys> its ok i may be able to find a way round it 
2015-12-29 23:29 <Melanie_T> velusunivers-sys: closed grid owners can go to the database
2015-12-29 23:30 <velusunivers-sys> how would you load an air to a database
2015-12-29 23:30 <Melanie_T> like our event system in avination which allows the user to select a texture to use for the event on the website
2015-12-29 23:30 <Melanie_T> it displays all the user's full perm textures
2015-12-29 23:30 <Melanie_T> that works on the database
2015-12-29 23:30 <Melanie_T> in a closed grid, you should have your main functionlaity on website/database
2015-12-29 23:30 <Melanie_T> dont load down the regions, let them do what regions do best: stream scenes
2015-12-30 00:21 <velusunivers-sys> what is an osd map
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2015-12-30 00:47 <nebadonPi> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/AssetServer/DeveloperDocs
2015-12-30 00:47 <nebadonPi> The data is stored as an Open Structured Data (OSD) map, allowing frontends to enumerate over the collection of values and serialize to a wire format without prior knowledge of the structure.
2015-12-30 00:48 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2015-12-30 03:12 <Plugh> hm... anyone noticed "Root element is missing" exceptions being thrown? Seems some kind of script related error.
2015-12-30 03:22 <Plugh> In OS 0.8.2.1?
2015-12-30 12:51 <velusunivers-sys> what is the uobde physics?
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2015-12-31 06:25 <osmantis> Bug #7794:04 MySQL connection in FSAssets times out after a few hours causing asset write failures. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7794 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2015-12-31 06:26 <osmantis> Bug #7794:04 MySQL connection in FSAssets times out after a few hours causing asset read / write failures. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7794 ): has been UPDATED.
2015-12-31 07:05 <osmantis> Bug #7794:04 MySQL connection in FSAssets times out after a few hours causing asset read / write failures. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7794 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2015-12-31 07:54 <osmantis> Bug #7794:04 MySQL connection in FSAssets times out after a few hours causing asset read / write failures. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7794 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0002742.
2015-12-31 07:54 <osmantis> Bug #2742:04 'Connection must be valid and open' message appearing sporadically in console when storing prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=2742 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007794.
2015-12-31 16:26 <osmantis> Bug #7403:04 Failure to deliver assets to some viewers in a region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7403 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-31 18:15 <osmantis> Bug #7403:04 Failure to deliver assets to some viewers in a region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7403 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-31 19:16 <osmantis> Bug #7403:04 Failure to deliver assets to some viewers in a region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7403 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2015-12-31 20:08 <osmantis> Bug #7403:04 Failure to deliver assets to some viewers in a region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7403 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-01-01 02:57 <velusunivers-sys> hey all who is about, 
2016-01-01 02:58 <velusunivers-sys> im guessing you are all alseep or parting
2016-01-01 03:54 <Plugh> Just off doing other things.
2016-01-01 06:00 <AllenKerensky> Happy New Year!
2016-01-01 06:09 <misterblue> Happy New Year to everyone everywhere whether real or virtual
2016-01-01 13:00 <velusunivers-sys> Happy new year everyone
2016-01-01 17:13 <osmantis> Bug #7795:04 When rezzed, NPCs drift to edge of sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7795 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-01-01 17:24 <osmantis> Bug #7796:04 osGetPhysicsEngineType() returns empty string in regions running ubOde 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7796 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-01-01 18:21 <osmantis> Bug #7795:04 When rezzed, NPCs drift to edge of sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7795 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-01 18:50 <osmantis> Bug #7796:04 osGetPhysicsEngineType() returns empty string in regions running ubOde 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7796 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-01 19:49 <osmantis> Bug #7795:04 When rezzed, NPCs drift to edge of sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7795 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-01 19:56 <osmantis> Bug #7796:04 osGetPhysicsEngineType() returns empty string in regions running ubOde 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7796 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-01 20:24 <osmantis> Bug #7796:04 osGetPhysicsEngineType() returns empty string in regions running ubOde 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7796 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-01 20:31 <osmantis> Bug #7796:04 osGetPhysicsEngineType() returns empty string in regions running ubOde 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7796 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-01 21:31 <osmantis> Bug #7795:04 When rezzed, NPCs drift to edge of sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7795 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-01 21:36 <osmantis> Bug #7795:04 When rezzed, NPCs drift to edge of sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7795 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-01 21:37 <osmantis> Bug #7795:04 When rezzed, NPCs drift to edge of sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7795 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-01 22:16 <osmantis> Bug #7796:04 osGetPhysicsEngineType() returns empty string in regions running ubOde 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7796 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-01 22:56 <osmantis> Bug #7796:04 osGetPhysicsEngineType() returns empty string in regions running ubOde 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7796 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-01 23:08 <osmantis> Bug #7796:04 osGetPhysicsEngineType() returns empty string in regions running ubOde 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7796 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-01 23:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #4582 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-01-01 23:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4582: SUCCESS in 15 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4582/
2016-01-01 23:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  stop avatar move to target on parcel ban enforce
2016-01-01 23:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #4583 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-01-01 23:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4583: SUCCESS in 5 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4583/
2016-01-01 23:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add npc create option OS_NPC_OBJECT_GROUP. with it the npc will be created with the group of the object with the script, if that object owner is member of that group. This should allow parcel access by group to work now, and not much else. The groupTitle will also be set, it the region option NoNPCGroup is not active.
2016-01-01 23:58 <osmantis> Bug #7795:04 When rezzed, NPCs drift to edge of sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7795 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-01-02 18:28 <velusunivers-sys> hey all is there a call you can do to get the tiles for maps? 
2016-01-02 18:40 <velusunivers-sys> its ok i have found something that has thanks
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2016-01-02 19:21 <velusunivers-sys> hello who is about?
2016-01-02 19:24 <Plugh> Are they? I haven't seen him. ;)
2016-01-02 19:44 <velusunivers-sys> ?
2016-01-02 19:45 <velusunivers-sys> is the a map system out there for a webui for openims?
2016-01-02 19:46 <AliciaRaven> velusunivers-sys u do check google before asking questions right? lol
2016-01-02 19:46 <AliciaRaven> https://github.com/talat77/opensimmaps
2016-01-02 19:48 <velusunivers-sys> thaks AliciaRaven 
2016-01-02 20:02 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: playing off on the old Abbot and Costello "Who Is On First?" routine. :)
2016-01-02 20:03 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-01-02 20:03 <velusunivers-sys> Plugh, can i pm you please
2016-01-02 20:04 <Plugh> ok
2016-01-02 20:11 <nebadonPi> http://download.osgrid.org/webmap_v1.2.zip
2016-01-02 20:12 <nebadonPi> is http://map.osgrid.org
2016-01-02 20:12 <nebadonPi> doesnt have proper var support, but it works
2016-01-02 20:13 <nebadonPi> you do see the entire var tile. but its placed in a 256c256 square only
2016-01-02 20:16 <Plugh> hey, nebadonPi
2016-01-02 20:17 <Plugh> nebadonPi: May I PM you with a quick(?) question about OpenShot?
2016-01-02 20:19 <nebadonPi> sure
2016-01-02 20:20 <velusunivers-sys> nebadonPi, can i PM you please
2016-01-02 20:21 <nebadonPi> sure :)
2016-01-02 20:22 <nebadonPi> oh i wonder if im not getting IM's
2016-01-02 20:22 <nebadonPi> because this nick is not registered
2016-01-02 20:22 <nebadonPi> 1 second
2016-01-02 20:23 <nebadon> if you guys were IM'ing me i was not getting it before
2016-01-02 20:26 <danbanner> you can add multiple nicks to your account
2016-01-02 20:28 <nebadon> yea I should do that :)
2016-01-02 20:28 <nebadon> i only was nebadonPi because for a bit i was logged in with both machines
2016-01-02 20:28 <nebadon> until i felt my raspberry pi was stable enough
2016-01-02 20:31 <velusunivers-sys> where can i access old records
2016-01-02 20:31 <danbanner> flea market?
2016-01-02 20:32 <velusunivers-sys> sorry old copies of opensim
2016-01-02 20:34 <velusunivers-sys> i thik i found it
2016-01-02 20:35 <nebadon> you can basically get any version you want directly from git
2016-01-02 20:37 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=summary&p=opensim
2016-01-02 20:45 <velusunivers-sys> ok i cant find wat i was looking for hmmmm 
2016-01-02 20:46 <osmantis> Bug #7796:04 osGetPhysicsEngineType() returns empty string in regions running ubOde 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7796 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-01-02 20:46 <osmantis> Bug #7796:04 osGetPhysicsEngineType() returns empty string in regions running ubOde 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7796 ): has been CLOSED
2016-01-02 20:47 <Plugh> danbanner: Nice answer. :)
2016-01-02 21:28 <velusunivers-sys> AliciaRaven, can i p you please
2016-01-02 21:29 <velusunivers-sys> s/p/pm
2016-01-02 21:45 <misterblue> velusunivers-sys: you don't need to PM to ask questions... asking questions and getting answers out in the open gets other people's inputs and can instruct others with similar questions
2016-01-02 21:48 <velusunivers-sys> im looking for someone who would be able to help me with a project, im needing someone to create a addon that will allow for rest on opesim, there used to be a rest module but no more
2016-01-02 21:50 <velusunivers-sys> i would prefer not to use remoteconsole, it would be for a opensource project a webui for opensim, with a pluginable system and skinable system aswell, so people can add to it and can also do things like add a payment system, add region control group control and so forth, also be able to change the way the whole site looks 
2016-01-02 21:51 <velusunivers-sys> once i have done it in php i am in talks to have someone to help me do it in nod.js and more
2016-01-02 21:53 <misterblue> ah... negotiating projects... that's cool
2016-01-02 21:53 <misterblue> you are adding REST interfaces to your OpenSim so you can have a PHP program control it?
2016-01-02 21:55 <velusunivers-sys> thats my goal, it would start with php but the whole thing about rest is you can have any language talk to it, so once i have the php site done, a mate would help me with node.js and may even get someone to help me with ruby
2016-01-02 21:57 <velusunivers-sys> i just need someone to create the rest system for me
2016-01-02 21:59 <misterblue> The idea for StatsManager is to provide a REST/JSON interface for getting stats so a web page could display them
2016-01-02 22:00 <velusunivers-sys> nice where is that? and also who manages that project?
2016-01-02 22:00 <misterblue> StatsManager.cs
2016-01-02 22:00 <velusunivers-sys> ? where exactly is that
2016-01-02 22:01 <misterblue> https://github.com/Misterblue/SimStats is a simple program for fetching the basic stats and displaying same
2016-01-02 22:02 <misterblue> that is SimStats is just JavaScript (jquery and such) to display the stats
2016-01-02 22:02 <velusunivers-sys> where is the statsmanger.cs? is that in the actual system
2016-01-02 22:04 <velusunivers-sys> ok found it, 
2016-01-02 22:04 <velusunivers-sys> are you any good at wrighting modules
2016-01-02 22:05 <misterblue> in StatsManager, parts of OpenSimulator register their stats... then HandleStatsRequest will return those stats in JSON in HTTP requests
2016-01-02 22:06 <misterblue> HandleStatsRequest is registered with the OpenSimulator web server when the modoule is initialized
2016-01-02 22:06 <velusunivers-sys> ok, i dont actally know csharp so i would not be able to look through that and work it
2016-01-02 22:08 <misterblue> I've written a few modules in my time... I'm responsible for BulletSim and varregions and probably a few mistakes in OpenSim ;-)
2016-01-02 22:12 <velusunivers-sys> misterblue, would you be able to help me with this project please
2016-01-02 22:13 <misterblue> http://files.misterblue.com/SimStats/ is a display of the stats from the BulletSim regions on OSGrid
2016-01-02 22:15 <velusunivers-sys> `i know i would need a full new module and would you be able to help me please?
2016-01-02 22:15 <misterblue> I'll help... although I'll try to throw out PHP... I think everything can be done with the right REST interfaces on the regions/grid and JavaScript web pages... no need for another server
2016-01-02 22:17 <velusunivers-sys> the replys dont need to be in php, it would be best in json, so that you can write to the rest in either json or xml (whcih would be the best) and return the same? so then you can send commands like create user, create region update user, etc, 
2016-01-02 22:19 <velusunivers-sys> the php end would be my problem and i would be able to do it
2016-01-02 22:19 <misterblue> something on the order of a more web'ish interface for remote admin?
2016-01-02 22:19 <velusunivers-sys> i guess yes, something like that
2016-01-02 22:21 <misterblue> there are xmlrpc libraries for PHP... why not build on the existing interace? (looking for your motivation and requirements)
2016-01-02 22:23 <velusunivers-sys> yeah i could do that  , but i would like to have something that would be easy for people to add to the project, through xmlrpc would be harder, the only other way around that would be to have a full set of php classes that would do it for you but then that would bulk out the whole site, i want the site to be light wieght but heavy punching, 
2016-01-02 22:24 <misterblue> k... and I would want a region interface that could be talked to by JavaScript alone
2016-01-02 22:25 <velusunivers-sys> what are the current ablilities on the opensim through xmlrpc
2016-01-02 22:28 <misterblue> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/RemoteAdmin
2016-01-02 22:29 <misterblue> this one has a PHP example down the page: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/RemoteAdmin:RemoteAdmin_Examples
2016-01-02 22:29 <misterblue> 
ACTION found these pages by Googling "site:opensimulator.org remote admin"

2016-01-02 22:44 <velusunivers-sys> hmmm that does seem promosing thanks misterblue i will use that for now and get this up and running soon
2016-01-02 22:45 <velusunivers-sys> i hopefully will be able to have the whole system up and ready in about a month or two for show. 
2016-01-02 22:46 <misterblue> feel free to ask questions... my IRC client is usually here even if I'm not so just ask a question with my name in it and I'll respond when I get to my computer
2016-01-02 22:51 <velusunivers-sys> ok will do 
2016-01-02 22:52 <velusunivers-sys> the only thing left to think about is the actual mapping system, i have been given a few that i can use but i need to think about them carefully 
2016-01-02 22:53 <velusunivers-sys> any way i think i deserve a brew right now
2016-01-02 22:56 <velusunivers-sys> misterblue, in the openims.ini it has xmlrpc ? what is that about?
2016-01-02 22:58 <misterblue> XMLRPC is also used to talk between the regions so that configuration is probably for that
2016-01-02 22:59 <velusunivers-sys> there is a bit just for the remote admin, and something about the xmlrpc aswell but dont seem to be for remote admin
2016-01-02 23:03 <velusunivers-sys> misterblue, the only thing remoteadmin dont do that i want the site to do is a avatar choser. so basically the person can chose what they look like before they enter
2016-01-02 23:04 <misterblue> there has been work to do that... I know that Diva's web interface for her version of the simulator does that.... someone around here knows how to set up the inventiroes to allow that
2016-01-02 23:05 <velusunivers-sys> ok 
2016-01-02 23:05 <velusunivers-sys> i will ask about later, but first im going to work on what i have for now
2016-01-02 23:06 <H-H-H> lol 
2016-01-02 23:07 <velusunivers-sys> there is some other bits like i would like it so it would send a email to activate the account and so they cant just signup bots, the other thing is updating the profile without direct access to the db
2016-01-02 23:07 <velusunivers-sys> H-H-H, whats the lol for
2016-01-02 23:12 <velusunivers-sys> misterblue, where is the remote admin setting on robust?
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2016-01-03 00:42 <misterblue> velusuniverse-sys: I'd suspect that Robust doesn't have a regular remote admin interface... although I've never looked into it
2016-01-03 00:42 <Melanie_T> it doesn't
2016-01-03 00:43 <Melanie_T> there is no need as robust doesn't perform any function you can not perform another way
2016-01-03 00:43 <Melanie_T> that will mean direct database acccess but direct database access is the gold standard for grids
2016-01-03 00:43 <velusunivers-sys> ok so all remoteadmin needs to be done through opensim even if its in a grid mode
2016-01-03 00:44 <Melanie_T> i don't understand what you need remoteadmin for
2016-01-03 00:44 <Melanie_T> your user management and whatever will be through some web interface you likely will write and it will work with the database
2016-01-03 00:45 <velusunivers-sys> but i want to avoid going through the db directly
2016-01-03 00:45 <Melanie_T> you can't
2016-01-03 00:45 <Melanie_T> it's just not designed that way
2016-01-03 00:45 <velusunivers-sys> and i would like to do some things that only remote admin does
2016-01-03 00:45 <H-H-H> there are a fair few examples of a webui for opensim out there although divas wifi is the only one i know of with an av selector (atleast i think it has one)
2016-01-03 00:45 <Melanie_T> because it's assumed that grids, to offer the value added functionality they need to offer to be competitive, will need to access things in ways we never thought of
2016-01-03 00:45 <Melanie_T> so accessing the database is canon
2016-01-03 00:46 <Melanie_T> we're not about to wrap all possible options a grid runner may want
2016-01-03 00:46 <Melanie_T> none of us have the cycles to do so
2016-01-03 00:47 <velusunivers-sys> yes i know and im not asking that opensijm its self puts it in, i have been asking if someone would be able to help me write a plugin for it. 
2016-01-03 00:48 <misterblue> a module to do what you need is what modularization is made for
2016-01-03 00:50 <velusunivers-sys> yes i know thats why im wanting help in creating one, im not wanting you to right it into the core of opensim like Melanie_T is trying to say
2016-01-03 00:51 <misterblue> yes.. who knows what the next admin interface might need
2016-01-03 00:52 <H-H-H> have you looked at divas wifi iirc it uses a module that could maybe be extended to do whatever
2016-01-03 00:54 <misterblue> For some info on Wifi: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Wifi
2016-01-03 00:55 <Melanie_T> velusunivers-sys: what is the reason for your aversion to go to the database? every grid does it and it works fine
2016-01-03 00:57 <misterblue> my understanding is wants to go to t he database but he wants the db code to be in a module that is accessed via some HTTP interface... so model is in module, view is elsewhere
2016-01-03 00:58 <misterblue> More info on the latest Wifi release: http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/diva-addons/wifi-and-other-diva-addons/
2016-01-03 00:58 <velusunivers-sys> H-H-H, I have looked at that but im not good with c# and it dont seem to accept calls it all seems to be in c# and Melanie_T it just is easier to have it go through a api like rest than through db, as the db changes a lot, it means that if there is an update it could break my code, and if i do an update and someone aint on the right version of opensim it would break
2016-01-03 00:59 <Melanie_T> changes core makes will never reduce the schema
2016-01-03 00:59 <Melanie_T> only expand it
2016-01-03 01:00 <Melanie_T> it's a convention that was agreed to make web interfaces possible
2016-01-03 01:00 <Melanie_T> and you should not be using c# for your website but php
2016-01-03 01:00 <H-H-H> ive not looked myself as i use a heavilly modified version of the original opensim webui mish mashed with some remote admin calls :) called by php
2016-01-03 01:00 <Melanie_T> and use mysqli to access yor database
2016-01-03 01:05 <velusunivers-sys> i use pdo not mysqli and it is in php, it would be the calls to the server to create a user that would be done in c#
2016-01-03 01:25 <Melanie_T> you don't need to call the server to make a user
2016-01-03 01:25 <Melanie_T> just add the user to the database
2016-01-03 01:25 <Melanie_T> in php
2016-01-03 01:25 <Melanie_T> simply create a recolrd in UserAccounts, one in Auth and an inventory root in inventoryfolders
2016-01-03 01:26 <Melanie_T> the system will do the rest on first login
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2016-01-03 18:39 <velusunivers-sys> i know you can do a call to :8002/map-1-1000-1000-objects.jpg to get the map tile of the region but is there a call you can do to get all the map info back in something like a xml format
2016-01-03 18:41 <velusunivers-sys> in the region db table it says its location is 256000 x 256000 yet its in location 1000 x 1000 so how is that so?
2016-01-03 22:26 <Melanie_T> velusunivers-sys: the regions table was designed with odd region placements in mind
2016-01-03 22:26 <Melanie_T> the map service is a linden designed priticol and only works in 256m steps
2016-01-03 22:27 <Melanie_T> and no, you can't ger an XML map or something like that. again, go to the regions table
2016-01-03 22:27 <Melanie_T> the database is the way to go. opensim has no c# based tools for managing a grid
2016-01-03 22:27 <velusunivers-sys> so where it says 256000 it is actually 1000 ?
2016-01-03 22:27 <Melanie_T> in part because everyone who made tools, like wiredux, then stopped maintaning them, i part because each grid has different rewuirements
2016-01-03 22:28 <Melanie_T> and in part because commercial grids will of course not share their USPs
2016-01-03 22:28 <Melanie_T> like a full featured website
2016-01-03 22:28 <Melanie_T> yes
2016-01-03 22:28 <Melanie_T> regions table is grid location times 256
2016-01-03 22:28 <Melanie_T> it's in meters, not grid spots
2016-01-03 22:29 <velusunivers-sys> ok so every loc in the table i would need to devide by 256 to get the location?
2016-01-03 22:29 <Melanie_T> correct
2016-01-03 22:29 <Melanie_T> if you want to make your interface in grid spots
2016-01-03 22:29 <velusunivers-sys> ok thanks
2016-01-03 22:29 <Melanie_T> of course, calculating in meters and only dividing by 256 where you have to interface with linden based protocols would be more future-proof
2016-01-03 22:30 <velusunivers-sys> and how would i do that
2016-01-03 22:31 <Melanie_T> well, that is up to you and your php code
2016-01-03 22:31 <Melanie_T> i cant teach you programming
2016-01-03 22:33 <velusunivers-sys> its ok i see that the regions table is in mters anyway.
2016-01-03 22:33 <velusunivers-sys> but for the maps for now would be in grids 
2016-01-03 22:34 <velusunivers-sys> but im thinking of using a new map system anyway 
2016-01-03 22:53 <velusunivers-sys> just a little question Melanie_T if i do the domain.com:8002/map-1-1001-1000-objects.jpg it shows the map tile, now say region 1 in 1000 1000 location, and its 1024x1024 in size would it show the maptile in that part of the region or would it show just the map tile of 1000 1000
2016-01-03 22:57 <Melanie_T> only that one tile
2016-01-03 22:57 <Melanie_T> but you have other zoom levels that show more
2016-01-03 22:57 <Melanie_T> the "1" in the map-1- thing
2016-01-03 22:57 <Melanie_T> it's the zoom level
2016-01-03 22:58 <Melanie_T> try using powers of two in the coords and a digi greater than 1
2016-01-03 22:58 <velusunivers-sys> ok so would that show the tile of 1001x1000 or the one 1000x100
2016-01-03 22:58 <Melanie_T> like map-4-512-512-objects.jpg
2016-01-03 22:58 <velusunivers-sys> i know the 1 is the zoom level 
2016-01-03 22:58 <Melanie_T> provided you have sims there
2016-01-03 22:58 <Melanie_T> 1001,1000
2016-01-03 22:58 <Melanie_T> zoom 1 is a single sim
2016-01-03 22:58 <Melanie_T> e.g. 256 x 256
2016-01-03 22:59 <Melanie_T> wat lindens call a sim
2016-01-03 23:00 <velusunivers-sys> ok thats good, im thinking of using a system that will call the tiles individually then display them on a grid system so they can be viewed. so then the zoom can be done a different way
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2016-01-04 04:47 <Joshhua5> Hello, I'm looking for someone to talk to that really knows OpenSim from the C# side of things. Specifically about Meshs
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2016-01-04 19:37 <Plugh> What does this console message mean? -> ThreadFunc: disable overload mode (Queued 1, Running 3)
2016-01-04 19:38 <Plugh> I just logged in to a region and then I saw massive spew of "Run threadfunc" and "Exit threadfun" messages.
2016-01-04 19:49 <nebadon> Plugh > http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7102
2016-01-04 19:50 <Plugh> yea, that kind of stuff.
2016-01-04 19:50 <nebadon> I have to say though not see it in a while
2016-01-04 19:50 <nebadon> that mantis is from 2014
2016-01-04 19:51 <nebadon> I suspect Oren added that maybe for debugging purposes
2016-01-04 19:51 <nebadon> he says is Normal Behavior
2016-01-04 19:51 <Plugh> I don't often watch the consoles these days. I was looking at one as I'm dealing with a voice related issue then that suddenly happened.
2016-01-04 19:51 <nebadon> yea I have not seen that happen in some time
2016-01-04 19:51 <nebadon> could be the cache was empty
2016-01-04 19:52 <Plugh> hm... Warp3D can result in starving the threadpool? Another reason to offload map generation from OS.
2016-01-04 19:52 <nebadon> first start for a region with a lot of content and no cache is nastay
2016-01-04 19:52 <nebadon> its only if cache is empty i think
2016-01-04 19:52 <Plugh> The region has been running for a while. Shouldn't have been empty.
2016-01-04 19:52 <nebadon> does cache expire?
2016-01-04 19:53 <Plugh> fcache is using the defaults.
2016-01-04 19:53 <nebadon> hmm might expire then
2016-01-04 19:53 <nebadon> let me look
2016-01-04 19:53 <Plugh> um... FlotsamCache
2016-01-04 19:53 <nebadon> yes
2016-01-04 19:53 <nebadon> 48 hours
2016-01-04 19:53 <nebadon> so if no one logged in for 48 hours and you restart it
2016-01-04 19:53 <nebadon> might be empty
2016-01-04 19:53 <Plugh> ah. yea, once an hour.
2016-01-04 19:54 <Plugh> oh. 48 hours to keep assets on disk but cleans up cache once an hour.
2016-01-04 19:54 <nebadon> yes
2016-01-04 19:54 <nebadon> checks every hour anything older than 48 goes bye bye
2016-01-04 19:54 <Plugh> ok
2016-01-04 19:54 <nebadon> there is a deep scan setting though
2016-01-04 19:55 <nebadon> maybe not anymore
2016-01-04 19:55 <nebadon> i dont see it in the example
2016-01-04 19:55 <nebadon> i tend to keep my caches eternal
2016-01-04 19:55 <nebadon> hard drive is cheap :)
2016-01-04 20:21 <Plugh> So other people keep saying when I complain about wanting to install a package that has a ton of dependencies (ie. mostly crap I don't think I'll ever need). :)
2016-01-04 20:22 <Plugh> I need libcurl to compile a program the other day and I had to install 14 other packages to get that one.
2016-01-04 23:12 <Wanderer_42> Hi. I experience an annoying bug. I teleported to an region, that seems to use
2016-01-04 23:12 <Wanderer_42> an older server-version. Once I am here, I cannot teleport away. I only get
2016-01-04 23:12 <Wanderer_42> this message: your region protoceol is 0.2. we only accept 0.3-0.6
2016-01-04 23:15 <Wanderer_42> I had to log off and log into a another region
2016-01-05 00:01 <Melanie_T> Wanderer_42: correct. some people are using ancient versions that are locked out in the 0.9 release
2016-01-05 00:01 <Melanie_T> there has to be a point where we can not support ancient versions any longer and that point is now
2016-01-05 00:01 <Melanie_T> that sim must have been 0.6.9
2016-01-05 00:01 <Wanderer_42> I think, it would be better, to disallow to tp to that regions
2016-01-05 00:01 <Melanie_T> as we support all of 0.7 and 0.8
2016-01-05 00:02 <Wanderer_42> newbies are confused if that happens
2016-01-05 00:02 <Melanie_T> smxy is the operator of a hypergates grid and it's very important for him that as many sims as possible stay reachable
2016-01-05 00:02 <Melanie_T> so we tried to make this as flexible as we can while still dropping the ancient protocol
2016-01-05 00:02 <Melanie_T> no one should be running 0.6.9 anymore
2016-01-05 00:02 <Wanderer_42> I understand
2016-01-05 00:02 <Melanie_T> it's 4 years old
2016-01-05 00:03 <Melanie_T> i can crash that version sim with a single UDP packet!
2016-01-05 00:03 <Melanie_T> meaning to say it's not secure
2016-01-05 00:03 <Joshhua5> Hello, I'm looking for someone who has in depth knowledge about meshs within the servers c# code.
2016-01-05 00:04 <Melanie_T> Joshhua5: it's not like the server really does a lot with them
2016-01-05 00:04 <Melanie_T> the conversion from dae to LLSD happens int he viewer
2016-01-05 00:04 <Melanie_T> all the server does is to generate the physics mesh
2016-01-05 00:04 <Melanie_T> from the physics subsection of the uploaded data
2016-01-05 00:04 <Joshhua5> I only really need to access them, but I'm having issues with finding where they're stored or how to access them without manually reaching out to the database
2016-01-05 00:05 <Melanie_T> access from where, to do what?
2016-01-05 00:05 <Joshhua5> Physics Mesh would probably be good enough.
2016-01-05 00:05 <Joshhua5> I have access to the Scene object from a regional module
2016-01-05 00:05 <Melanie_T> ok
2016-01-05 00:05 <Melanie_T> mesh objects are sculpt type 5
2016-01-05 00:06 <Melanie_T> if you see sculpt type 5, the sculpt map asset id is in fact not a sculpt map
2016-01-05 00:06 <Melanie_T> but rather the asset id you need to retrieve to access the mesh data
2016-01-05 00:06 <Joshhua5> This is perfect :)
2016-01-05 00:06 <Melanie_T> so you would call m_scene.AssetService.Get(id)
2016-01-05 00:06 <Melanie_T> you will get an AssetBase
2016-01-05 00:06 <Melanie_T> the Data member is base64 encoded
2016-01-05 00:07 <Joshhua5> in ODE format?
2016-01-05 00:07 <Melanie_T> once decoded, you will find a LLSD map
2016-01-05 00:07 <Melanie_T> the LLSD map tells you data offset and length for each LOD
2016-01-05 00:07 <Melanie_T> or it may also tell you the LOD has no geometry
2016-01-05 00:07 <Melanie_T> the offsets refer to the data following the LLSD header
2016-01-05 00:08 <Melanie_T> it's zlib compressed
2016-01-05 00:08 <Melanie_T> once uncompressed (from the data offset for the data length bytes
2016-01-05 00:08 <Melanie_T> it is again a LLSD map
2016-01-05 00:08 <Joshhua5> LLSD Inception
2016-01-05 00:08 <Melanie_T> which contains the vertex and UV info in a rather easily discernible format
2016-01-05 00:09 <Joshhua5> Thank you, you've saved me hours of work trying to figure it out.
2016-01-05 00:09 <Melanie_T> this is not pseudocode but it's also not using anything you're familiar with
2016-01-05 00:10 <Melanie_T> it's a snippet from a closed source tool I have
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2016-01-05 00:10 <Melanie_T>     uint8_t *d = data;
2016-01-05 00:10 <Melanie_T>     dec->Decode(&d);
2016-01-05 00:10 <Melanie_T>     dec->DebugDump();
2016-01-05 00:10 <Melanie_T>     printf("Header length = %d\n", d - data);
2016-01-05 00:10 <Melanie_T>     uint8_t *outbuf = (uint8_t *)malloc(16384);
2016-01-05 00:10 <Melanie_T>     int outsize = 16384;
2016-01-05 00:10 <Melanie_T>     int ret = inflate(d + 16896, 33214, &outbuf, outsize);
2016-01-05 00:10 <Melanie_T>     printf("ret = %d\n", ret);
2016-01-05 00:10 <Melanie_T>     d = outbuf;
2016-01-05 00:10 <Melanie_T>     dec = new LLSDDecode();
2016-01-05 00:10 <Melanie_T>     dec->Decode(&d);
2016-01-05 00:11 <Melanie_T> in this, 16896 is the data offset from the first LLSD
2016-01-05 00:11 <Melanie_T> 33214 is the data length
2016-01-05 00:11 <Melanie_T> and "d" is the pointer to the byte right after the LLSD preamble
2016-01-05 00:12 <Melanie_T> the LLSD format used is the one from the linden wiki
2016-01-05 00:12 <Melanie_T> OSDDecode may or may not know the forma
2016-01-05 00:13 <Melanie_T> the zlib compressionis the mean part because it makes it look like gibberish to the inclined reverse engineer
2016-01-05 00:21 <Joshhua5> Thank you and have a good day.   That's some nice C++ btw
2016-01-05 00:22 <Melanie_T> it's rather sloppy actually in that this doesn't free dec before assigning to it again, thereby leaking a LLSDDecode
2016-01-05 00:22 <Melanie_T> but since this is a command line tool and the OS will free up all memory, I didn't care there
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2016-01-05 01:38 <Joshhua5> Now that you mentioned it, the OCD is kicking in... FIX IT PLZ
2016-01-05 01:39 <Melanie_T> 
ACTION LOLz

2016-01-05 01:48 <Velusuniver-sys> Melanie_T, can bot npc's cross regions?
2016-01-05 01:48 <Melanie_T> there is no such thing as a bot npc
2016-01-05 01:48 <Melanie_T> it's either a bot
2016-01-05 01:48 <Melanie_T> or a npc
2016-01-05 01:48 <Velusuniver-sys> a bot 
2016-01-05 01:49 <Melanie_T> bots are users and to that degree are limited only to what the bot program can do
2016-01-05 01:49 <Melanie_T> if you're running a full bot like pikkubt or tekbot, it can do anything youprogram, including cross regions
2016-01-05 01:53 <Velusuniver-sys> what protocol the clients use to communicate with the server
2016-01-05 01:54 <Melanie_T> LLUDP/CAPS
2016-01-05 02:08 <Joshhua5> This sculpt map that you're talking about is it the SculptTexture? .Shape.SculptTexture
2016-01-05 02:08 <Melanie_T> yes
2016-01-05 02:08 <Melanie_T> on meshes (SculptType 5) it's the mesh asset ID
2016-01-05 02:08 <Melanie_T> you do need to fetch it
2016-01-05 02:14 <Joshhua5> And it's a Base64 char array?
2016-01-05 02:17 <Melanie_T> as above
2016-01-05 02:17 <Melanie_T> data is base64 encoded
2016-01-05 02:18 <Melanie_T> once it is decoded, you can read the control structore using OSD
2016-01-05 02:18 <Melanie_T> it will give you offsets and sizes into the flollowing blob
2016-01-05 02:18 <Melanie_T> you need to extract and zlib decompress the part of the blob indicated
2016-01-05 02:18 <Melanie_T> and LLSD parse the result
2016-01-05 02:19 <Melanie_T> which one that is dependson the desired LOD
2016-01-05 05:11 <djphil> Hello, it seems that health meter is broken in opensim v0.9.x
2016-01-05 05:11 <Joshhua5> Melanie, you still there?
2016-01-05 05:13 <Joshhua5> Meshmerizer.cs:554, Isn't this a redundant allocation of OSD? as DecompressOsd will allocate the variable on line 560
2016-01-05 05:29 <Joshhua5> I can confirm, it indeed is a redundant allocation of OSD
2016-01-05 06:55 <Joshhua5> Is there code inside OpenSim that generates the mesh of primatives?
2016-01-05 06:55 <Joshhua5> non mesh primatives
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2016-01-06 00:45 <velusunivers-sys> hello on the auth table what does the account type for? 
2016-01-06 00:45 <velusunivers-sys> and whats the web login key for?
2016-01-06 00:59 <Plugh> Account type is one of those things that is just string that can show up in a viewer when looking at someones profile.
2016-01-06 00:59 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-01-06 00:59 <velusunivers-sys> and login key?
2016-01-06 00:59 <velusunivers-sys> and token table?
2016-01-06 01:00 <Plugh> No idea. You could check the wiki to see if its documented. I doubt either of them will be.
2016-01-06 01:00 <velusunivers-sys> no hey ain
2016-01-06 01:01 <Plugh> Account type will appear at the top of the Account: box in the profile dialog.
2016-01-06 01:01 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-01-06 01:01 <Plugh> I use that in a grid to identify staff members.
2016-01-06 01:01 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-01-06 01:02 <Plugh> Someone can claim to work with the grid but you can check their profile and see if it mentions if they are staff or not.
2016-01-06 01:02 <velusunivers-sys> in the avatars table you have the value serial, and avtar type what are they, im guessing type is 1 male 2 female? or other way round
2016-01-06 01:02 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-01-06 01:04 <Plugh> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Database_Documentation
2016-01-06 01:05 <velusunivers-sys> i have looked trhgough that at http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Avatars but it says serial and type but it dont explain it
2016-01-06 01:05 <Plugh> Serial is more about inventory management. It can be used o detect if there has been a change in an item between the DB and what version has been cached by a viewer.
2016-01-06 01:05 <Plugh> I believe that's how its used.
2016-01-06 01:05 <velusunivers-sys> ok and avatar type?
2016-01-06 01:06 <velusunivers-sys> im guessing male/female
2016-01-06 01:06 <Plugh> It just shows up under New Style Wearables and isn't documented. I would have to look at the code to see if I could figure out what its for.
2016-01-06 01:07 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-01-06 01:08 <Plugh> I was dealing with something recently that determined male, female, or other. I'm trying to think what it was and how it did it. I think it had to do with the shape.
2016-01-06 01:08 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-01-06 01:08 <Plugh> Someday the wiki documents about the DB structure will be complete. That day isn't today. :)
2016-01-06 01:08 <velusunivers-sys> lol
2016-01-06 01:09 <velusunivers-sys> in the docs to be identified does that mean you dont realy know?
2016-01-06 01:11 <Plugh> Sorry, not following you with that comment.
2016-01-06 01:11 <velusunivers-sys> Dwell
2016-01-06 01:11 <velusunivers-sys> To be identified. in one of the wikis for db 
2016-01-06 01:11 <velusunivers-sys> under land
2016-01-06 01:12 <Plugh> yes, that would mean the person who created the notes about that table doesn't know how the field is used.
2016-01-06 01:12 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-01-06 01:13 <velusunivers-sys> do you know what dwell means in land
2016-01-06 01:13 <Plugh> Land auctions are something from SL. You can set land to be auctioned but to do so also requires it be done by an avatar with a very specific UUID
2016-01-06 01:13 <velusunivers-sys> ok?
2016-01-06 01:14 <Plugh> dwell is a number that is supposed to indicate popularity of a region based on some magic formula involving number of avatars visiting it, over what time period, and duration of stay. It isn't implemented in OpenSim.
2016-01-06 01:15 <Velus-universe> is there any info on the groups and the profiles db files?
2016-01-06 01:16 <Plugh> Not that I know of. That wiki page is the main source of DB info. I don't know if anything is written down elsewhere for groups and profiles.
2016-01-06 01:17 <Plugh> hm... that wiki page should be updated now that there is core groups and core profiles.
2016-01-06 01:17 <Velus-universe> ok
2016-01-06 01:22 <Velus-universe> wih groups you need simain grid
2016-01-06 01:23 <Plugh> No you don't. Groups is implemented in core. You can use the core version of groups or you can use the addon phpxmlrpc based groups module.
2016-01-06 01:24 <Velusuni> ok v2 which is that
2016-01-06 01:25 <Plugh> v2 groups would refer to the built-in version.
2016-01-06 01:35 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-01-06 02:12 <velusunivers-sys> Plugh, whatis the tble agentpref
2016-01-06 02:20 <Plugh> Not sure. Some sort of avatar preferences. It is one of the newer tables.
2016-01-06 02:20 <Plugh> Another one to add to the wiki page\
2016-01-06 02:21 <velusunivers-sys> ok i was wondering about the accesspref it has a M wondered if that was male female show
2016-01-06 02:23 <velusunivers-sys> what is the user title in useraccounts
2016-01-06 02:23 <Plugh> oh, I remember now. There is an OSSL function called osGetGender. That would be a place to check to determine how gender is determined.
2016-01-06 02:24 <velusunivers-sys> ok where do i find that info?
2016-01-06 02:24 <Plugh> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsGetGender
2016-01-06 02:25 <velusunivers-sys> ok got that but it still dont tell me much
2016-01-06 02:26 <Plugh> It says gender is based on shape selection
2016-01-06 02:26 <velusunivers-sys> and where cn i find out the shape selection
2016-01-06 02:28 <velusunivers-sys> i am checking now somethinf
2016-01-06 02:29 <Plugh> Shape is just another one of the attachments/wearables.
2016-01-06 02:30 <velusunivers-sys> what about in assests
2016-01-06 02:32 <velusunivers-sys> im guessing wariable 0:0
2016-01-06 02:32 <Plugh> The shape reference in the Avatars table would refer to the actual shape asset in the assets table.
2016-01-06 02:33 <velusunivers-sys> ok i cant seem to find an asset
2016-01-06 02:33 <velusunivers-sys> i found the table but not the asset info
2016-01-06 02:34 <Plugh> Hm... wearable info seems to have two UUIDs in the one field separated by :
2016-01-06 02:35 <velusunivers-sys> yeah i know
2016-01-06 02:36 <velusunivers-sys> ahhh the second id is the shape so whats the first id on it?
2016-01-06 02:37 <velusunivers-sys> so im wondering what the fist bit is for
2016-01-06 02:42 <velusunivers-sys> ok not what i though
2016-01-06 02:51 <velusunivers-sys> hmmm might be in the blob im looking throuugh it and see what i can find out
2016-01-06 02:55 <lillith_xue> as far as i know: the first UUID is the InWorld UUID while the second one is the assetId. But i can be wrong
2016-01-06 02:55 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-01-06 02:55 <velusunivers-sys> the second is asset uuid
2016-01-06 02:56 <velusunivers-sys> im just t it works withshape?
2016-01-06 02:57 <lillith_xue> osGetGender reads the Shape-Values if its set to Female otherwise its Male. Works pretty well for me.
2016-01-06 03:23 <velusunivers-sys> i think i found it now but you would need to go into blob of the db file and i think it 32 on it
2016-01-06 03:24 <velusunivers-sys> but will need to be double checked
2016-01-06 03:26 <velusunivers-sys> hmmm its on about visual prim
2016-01-06 03:26 <velusunivers-sys> params sorry
2016-01-06 03:28 <velusunivers-sys> i think i need to find some more info on this
2016-01-06 03:28 <velusunivers-sys> but i will have to do more info on this completely
2016-01-06 03:29 <Melanie_T> again it would be more help if you told us what you are trying to achieve
2016-01-06 03:29 <Melanie_T> rather than asking about a single detail
2016-01-06 03:29 <velusunivers-sys> im try8ing to find out how to figgure if someone is male or female withing the db
2016-01-06 03:30 <Melanie_T> that is easy
2016-01-06 03:30 <velusunivers-sys> how then?
2016-01-06 03:30 <Melanie_T> access inventoryfolders to find the folder ID for the CurrentOutfit folder of that person
2016-01-06 03:30 <Melanie_T> access inventoryitems to find the folder, it contains inventory links
2016-01-06 03:30 <Melanie_T> there is only one item in the folder that is a shape (wearable type 0)
2016-01-06 03:31 <Melanie_T> ao it will have an inventory type of BodyPart
2016-01-06 03:31 <Melanie_T> and a flags field of 0
2016-01-06 03:31 <Melanie_T> the asset ID in that item is the inventory id of the linked item, retrieve it to get the real asset id
2016-01-06 03:31 <Melanie_T> then, retrieve that asset from the assets table
2016-01-06 03:32 <Melanie_T> it is a binary file you will have to parse
2016-01-06 03:32 <Melanie_T> it has the visual params currently used by that avatar, regardless of whether they're online or offline
2016-01-06 03:32 <Melanie_T> you already know what to so with visuaparams from your looking in tot os function
2016-01-06 03:33 <Melanie_T> however, while the os function only works in a simand only while the avatar is there, that database method works at all times
2016-01-06 03:36 <velusunivers-sys> ok doing that but i changed the shape name, so going by name of shape would not work all the bits in there have the type of 0 and when i check the assetid against assets its showing it dont exist?
2016-01-06 03:37 <Melanie_T> as i said
2016-01-06 03:37 <Melanie_T> the current outfit folder has inventory LINKS
2016-01-06 03:37 <Melanie_T> so you need to take ALL entries in that folder
2016-01-06 03:37 <Melanie_T> and treat their asset ID as inventory ID
2016-01-06 03:37 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-01-06 03:37 <Melanie_T> to get the referenced item
2016-01-06 03:37 <Melanie_T> IT will have a real asset IT
2016-01-06 03:38 <Melanie_T> and only ONE of the referenced item has an inventory type of BodyPart and a flags field of 0
2016-01-06 03:38 <Melanie_T> that is the shape
2016-01-06 03:38 <Melanie_T> it's like with highlanders
2016-01-06 03:38 <Melanie_T> there can only be one
2016-01-06 03:47 <velusunivers-sys> this is the dump of the inventryitems table http://pastebin.com/3WYdN5Ch this is the folderid fbde39bf-0d7f-4401-bdd9-b927d3e2c1b5 now where does it show the warable type 0  and the inventry type of bodypart? 
2016-01-06 03:48 <velusunivers-sys> and where i know what is the actual body shape when i put the asset id in the assets tbl it shows nothing
2016-01-06 03:48 <Melanie_T> the dump is useless
2016-01-06 03:48 <velusunivers-sys> there is none
2016-01-06 03:48 <Melanie_T> rather
2016-01-06 03:48 <Melanie_T> it takes too much time for me to sift through it
2016-01-06 03:49 <Melanie_T> give me the output of select * from inventoryitems where parentFolderID='fbde39bf-0d7f-4401-bdd9-b927d3e2c1b5';
2016-01-06 03:49 <velusunivers-sys> what colum then shows the wareable type ? and which column shows the inventry type of bodypart?
2016-01-06 03:49 <Melanie_T> either asset type or invetory tye can be used to determine what s a body part
2016-01-06 03:50 <Melanie_T> flags is the wearable type 
2016-01-06 03:50 <velusunivers-sys> http://pastebin.com/UCVLXns9
2016-01-06 03:50 <Melanie_T> there is a lot of stuff on the wiki and elsewhere
2016-01-06 03:51 <Melanie_T> you need to understand
2016-01-06 03:51 <Melanie_T> i have a few minutes to give hints
2016-01-06 03:51 <Melanie_T> but if you want me to do your work for you you have to pay me to do it
2016-01-06 03:52 <Melanie_T> see, type 24 is the link type
2016-01-06 03:52 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-01-06 03:52 <Melanie_T> now you need to look at ALL records in that list like this
2016-01-06 03:52 <Melanie_T> '6dd07e07-64ec-40e2-b010-d93bc2260a0d', 24, 'Default Shirt', '@400', 647168, 647168, 18, '7bde0f14-0918-4005-b9cc-bc706705a619', 647168, 581632, 0, 0, 1451482782, '00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000', 0, 0, '3e7f14c4-e478-4e8a-9d85-9b8e65c8f771', '7bde0f14-0918-4005-b9cc-bc706705a619', 'fbde39bf-0d7f-4401-bdd9-b927d3e2c1b5', 647168)
2016-01-06 03:52 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-01-06 03:52 <Melanie_T> here 6dd07e07-64ec-40e2-b010-d93bc2260a0d is the asset
2016-01-06 03:52 <Melanie_T> so you get 
2016-01-06 03:52 <Melanie_T> select * from inventoryitem where inventoryID='6dd07e07-64ec-40e2-b010-d93bc2260a0d';
2016-01-06 03:53 <Melanie_T> see how i use the asset id as an item id here?
2016-01-06 03:53 <velusunivers-sys> ok right i know the asset for the shape is under name dd (new) (new) 
2016-01-06 03:53 <Melanie_T> that is because it was a type 24 (link)
2016-01-06 03:53 <Melanie_T> so going through that whole list
2016-01-06 03:53 <Melanie_T> retrieving the invebtory items that are referenced
2016-01-06 03:53 <Melanie_T> you can find type 13 flags o
2016-01-06 03:53 <Melanie_T> i'm feeling generous today
2016-01-06 03:55 <Melanie_T> select b.* from inventoryitems as a left join inventoryitems as b on a.assetID=b.InventoryID where a.parentFolderID='fbde39bf-0d7f-4401-bdd9-b927d3e2c1b5' and b.assetType=13 and b.flags = 0;
2016-01-06 03:56 <velusunivers-sys> right i have somethign now
2016-01-06 03:56 <Melanie_T> that is that avatar's shape
2016-01-06 03:56 <Melanie_T> now you can use that assetID on the assets table to get the shape record
2016-01-06 03:57 <velusunivers-sys> one sec
2016-01-06 03:57 <velusunivers-sys> ok now when i do that search on the assets i get nothing
2016-01-06 03:58 <velusunivers-sys> i.e a search for the assetid in the assets 
2016-01-06 03:58 <Melanie_T> maybe that avatar's shape is broken?
2016-01-06 03:58 <velusunivers-sys> ok 
2016-01-06 03:58 <Melanie_T> give me the output of the join i sent you
2016-01-06 03:58 <Melanie_T> also, look if that has the right name
2016-01-06 03:58 <Joshhua5> Is it possible to send commands from the server to a client to have them draw debugging boxs?
2016-01-06 03:59 <Melanie_T> Joshhua5: no. those controls are all viewerside
2016-01-06 03:59 <velusunivers-sys> http://pastebin.com/QkUt7XS7
2016-01-06 03:59 <Joshhua5> Time to get creative
2016-01-06 04:00 <Melanie_T> Joshhua5: regarding your last question, yes, there is prim meshing code in opensim but it's not likely to do what you want. it's for physics
2016-01-06 04:00 <velusunivers-sys> anyway i have an old avatar shape binary downloaded and i can view it in notepad++ how do i find the shape in that?
2016-01-06 04:01 <velusunivers-sys> the gender in that sorry
2016-01-06 04:01 <Joshhua5> That's actually a pretty good idea
2016-01-06 04:01 <Melanie_T> 79e82f4e-83f5-58a7-199d-99fe2abef868 shoud be a valid asset in your assets database
2016-01-06 04:01 <Melanie_T> the name you told me matches what i see
2016-01-06 04:01 <Joshhua5> I only want to draw the boxs of a oct tree for debugging purposes
2016-01-06 04:02 <Joshhua5> so it may be exactly what I need
2016-01-06 04:02 <Melanie_T> so select * from assets where id='79e82f4e-83f5-58a7-199d-99fe2abef868';
2016-01-06 04:02 <Melanie_T> should spit out the shape unless your asset table is b0rked
2016-01-06 04:02 <velusunivers-sys> ok got it now 
2016-01-06 04:03 <Joshhua5> Melaine, did you see my message about the redundant allocation in Meshmerizer? 
2016-01-06 04:03 <velusunivers-sys> i have opened it in notepad++ 
2016-01-06 04:04 <Melanie_T> well, in C#, unlike C++, the old content of the ref is GCd
2016-01-06 04:05 <Melanie_T> C++ leaks it if you reassign a pointer
2016-01-06 04:06 <Joshhua5> Yeah, and the allocation would probably be optimized out in a release build, but it was more because it was a pointless performance penalty than memory allocation.
2016-01-06 04:07 <velusunivers-sys> ok im guessing it has something to do with 32 40 80 100 in the file as between male and female they change 
2016-01-06 04:07 <Melanie_T> the data in that file is versioned
2016-01-06 04:07 <Melanie_T> there are multiple versions of this format around
2016-01-06 04:07 <Melanie_T> so you need to really decode it
2016-01-06 04:07 <Melanie_T> not just access a single byte
2016-01-06 04:08 <Melanie_T> because it may not be the same byte from file to file
2016-01-06 04:08 <velusunivers-sys> ok how would i 
2016-01-06 04:08 <Melanie_T> however, the source to osGetGender will set you straight on how to go about decoding it ;)
2016-01-06 04:08 <Melanie_T> just do as it says, don't do as it does ;)
2016-01-06 04:09 <Melanie_T> to paraphrase "Jesus he knows me"
2016-01-06 04:10 <velusunivers-sys> in notepade++ i have this http://pastebin.com/C6Pn35Sy
2016-01-06 04:11 <velusunivers-sys> and i don understand the code
2016-01-06 04:11 <velusunivers-sys> in the source of the actual c#
2016-01-06 04:11 <Melanie_T> well, you need to parse that file
2016-01-06 04:11 <Melanie_T> and find the parameter you're interested in
2016-01-06 04:12 <velusunivers-sys> ok how would i pharse it?
2016-01-06 04:12 <Melanie_T> sorry, teaching you how to write a text file parser isn't something i relish
2016-01-06 04:12 <velusunivers-sys> wht format would i need to pharse?
2016-01-06 04:12 <Melanie_T> you come to this with very little programming experience, it feels
2016-01-06 04:12 <Melanie_T> and i'm trying to help you along
2016-01-06 04:12 <Melanie_T> but you do need to use google forthe basics
2016-01-06 04:13 <Melanie_T> or pay to have it done
2016-01-06 04:13 <Melanie_T> it's not a standard format
2016-01-06 04:13 <Melanie_T> you need to write your own
2016-01-06 04:13 <Melanie_T> and don't forget, the file is UTF-8
2016-01-06 04:13 <velusunivers-sys> what format is it
2016-01-06 04:13 <Melanie_T> a linden designed one
2016-01-06 04:14 <Melanie_T> you need to wrte your own parser
2016-01-06 04:14 <velusunivers-sys> and what is it called? 
2016-01-06 04:14 <Melanie_T> it has no name
2016-01-06 04:14 <velusunivers-sys> i cant write one or get someone to write one with out know
2016-01-06 04:14 <Melanie_T> YOU HAVE TO WRITE YOUR OWN PARSER
2016-01-06 04:14 <Melanie_T> it's not any standard format
2016-01-06 04:14 <Melanie_T> you'd have to show it to whoever you pay
2016-01-06 04:14 <velusunivers-sys> so the format has no name? 
2016-01-06 04:14 <Melanie_T> and show them 100+ of them
2016-01-06 04:14 <Melanie_T> in different versions
2016-01-06 04:15 <Melanie_T> so they can analyze it
2016-01-06 04:15 <Melanie_T> i never said it's easy
2016-01-06 04:15 <velusunivers-sys> i know 
2016-01-06 04:15 <velusunivers-sys> the format must have a name 
2016-01-06 04:15 <Melanie_T> but while i'm a core developer and always happy to help with the opensim specific parts you can't get anywhere else
2016-01-06 04:15 <velusunivers-sys> or there must be some docs on the format
2016-01-06 04:15 <Melanie_T> the stuff that is general programming knowledge, you have to get elsewhere
2016-01-06 04:15 <Melanie_T> no name, no docs
2016-01-06 04:16 <Melanie_T> and LL may change it at any time without notification
2016-01-06 04:16 <Melanie_T> it's a linden labs in-house format
2016-01-06 04:20 <osmantis> Bug #7784:04 Scripts do not reset with llResetScript 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7784 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-06 04:22 <Plugh> Wouldn't it be a little faster to find the shape UUID by using the "Wearables 0:..." entries in the Avatars table?
2016-01-06 04:22 <velusunivers-sys> it seems so Plugh 
2016-01-06 04:23 <velusunivers-sys> but im having trouble getting my head round pharsing the file
2016-01-06 04:23 <Plugh> Either way you will still wind up with a block of data to decode.
2016-01-06 04:23 <Joshhua5> Melanie_T: what are you currently working on with OpenSim?
2016-01-06 04:24 <Plugh> Joshhua5: The only other thought about decoding the shape data is to look at what is done in the viewer code.
2016-01-06 04:24 <velusunivers-sys> yeah and im trying to figure out how to decode it, i have figgered out in notepad++ which bits change on the male to female, but im being told from what i can tell is have her pay to make a pharser or try and figure it out my self with no info to go on
2016-01-06 04:24 <osmantis> Bug #7784:04 Scripts do not reset with llResetScript 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7784 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-06 04:24 <osmantis> Bug #7784:04 Scripts do not reset with llResetScript 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7784 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-06 04:24 <Plugh> I don't know if that would make things any better or worse in trying to find out. One problem is viewer are written in C++ while OpenSim is in C#
2016-01-06 04:25 <Melanie_T> Plugh: The avatars table is likely to go away in the 0.9 cycle
2016-01-06 04:25 <Joshhua5> Thankfully there's the CLR to help with that
2016-01-06 04:25 <Melanie_T> it's deprecated and can't hold all avatar data anymore due to format constraints
2016-01-06 04:25 <Plugh> Melanie_T: Really? What is going to replace it?
2016-01-06 04:26 <Melanie_T> it's been replaced
2016-01-06 04:26 <Melanie_T> with the COF
2016-01-06 04:26 <Melanie_T> that table is merely kept up to data up to the limit if it's capabilities for compatibility's sake
2016-01-06 04:26 <Plugh> What is COF? I think its first time I'm hearing about it.
2016-01-06 04:26 <Melanie_T> it is never read from anymore, only written
2016-01-06 04:26 <Melanie_T> CurrentOoutfitFolder
2016-01-06 04:26 <Plugh> oh, that thing SL introduced.
2016-01-06 04:26 <Melanie_T> a special folder in inventory containing inventory links to what is worn
2016-01-06 04:27 <Melanie_T> Joshhua5: I'm workig on great things :)
2016-01-06 04:27 <Melanie_T> Joshhua5: and they're meshy which is why i could give you the off-the-cuff answer on mesh decoding
2016-01-06 04:27 <Melanie_T> velusunivers-sys: you don't have to pay me, you can pay any other competent programmer you like
2016-01-06 04:28 <Melanie_T> and like me, they will take one look at the format and know what to do
2016-01-06 04:28 <Joshhua5> Make sure you clean up after that meshy activity ;D
2016-01-06 04:28 <Melanie_T> ;)
2016-01-06 04:29 <velusunivers-sys> how much would you charge for a pharser?
2016-01-06 04:29 <velusunivers-sys> and i think i need to lay off the ecig as im getting light headed
2016-01-06 04:29 <Plugh> I just looked at the pastebin. If that file is just text like that, it would be easy to parse.
2016-01-06 04:30 <Melanie_T> see! vindication! told you so, coders know ;)
2016-01-06 04:30 <velusunivers-sys> ok do you think you can help with the pharser? 
2016-01-06 04:30 <Melanie_T> you need that in PHP?
2016-01-06 04:30 <velusunivers-sys> yes
2016-01-06 04:30 <Melanie_T> it's not a lot of work :)
2016-01-06 04:31 <velusunivers-sys> and am i right in sayijng its 32 40 80 100?
2016-01-06 04:31 <Joshhua5> Shh Melanie_T.... That'll be $100 for the parser
2016-01-06 04:31 <Melanie_T> yes that was about my ballpark, too
2016-01-06 04:34 <Plugh> A programmer can take an educated guess as to which parameter in the file is likely to be the one that indicates gender.
2016-01-06 04:35 <velusunivers-sys> from looking at 4 of them 2 with simple changes (female to male) and 2 with complete shape changes (body and such male/ female) the only consistent changes of the lot is the 32 40 80 100
2016-01-06 04:36 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: You pasted a text file for us to see. Why do you keep talking about the decimal values of the bytes in the file?
2016-01-06 04:36 <osmantis> Bug #7784:04 Scripts do not reset with llResetScript 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7784 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-06 04:37 <velusunivers-sys> they are the only bytes i seen change on it i can show you another 
2016-01-06 04:38 <velusunivers-sys> http://pastebin.com/C1QqN5Wk
2016-01-06 04:39 <Melanie_T> you just can't treat this as simply bytes and expect them to be in the same place
2016-01-06 04:39 <Melanie_T> that is what a parser does
2016-01-06 04:39 <Melanie_T> finds out where they are for any given shaoe
2016-01-06 04:39 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: It is text. Have you never tried to look and compare the contents of two text files before?
2016-01-06 04:39 <velusunivers-sys> yes i have
2016-01-06 04:40 <Plugh> It doesn't seem like it as you keep talking about the values of the bytes in a text file.
2016-01-06 04:41 <Plugh> btw, my guess is that those two files are for the same gender but I'd have to see files for known male and female shapes to be sure.
2016-01-06 04:41 <velusunivers-sys> they are different genders
2016-01-06 04:44 <Plugh> ok. If that is so, more data is needed to find the gender indicator.
2016-01-06 04:45 <velusunivers-sys> how much more?
2016-01-06 04:47 <Plugh> Not as much as I first thought.
2016-01-06 04:47 <velusunivers-sys> so how much?
2016-01-06 04:48 <Plugh> I'd like to stick around a bit more to see how this plays out but I have a cat calling for me and I need to get some practice time in on my guitar.
2016-01-06 04:48 <velusunivers-sys> ok i will let you know what i find out 
2016-01-06 05:08 <Joshhua5> Melanie_T: that idea about sending the physics mesh, that would require that I create an Asset with that mesh, bind the physics mesh and then create an object on the client with that mesh?
2016-01-06 05:08 <Melanie_T> sending?
2016-01-06 05:08 <Melanie_T> any LLSD capable CAPS cleint can already access mesh assets
2016-01-06 05:08 <Melanie_T> including the physics mesh
2016-01-06 05:09 <Joshhua5> But I want to create one from a RegionalModule, so sending isn't the challenge, it's more creating the mesh from C#.
2016-01-06 05:10 <Melanie_T> you don't need to create it 
2016-01-06 05:11 <Melanie_T> every mesh should already have one
2016-01-06 05:11 <Melanie_T> f not, you use a visual mesh
2016-01-06 05:11 <Melanie_T> of the desired LOD
2016-01-06 05:12 <Joshhua5> I'm trying to show some debugging information on the viewer. It would be nice to view the physics mesh without making the whole view wireframe
2016-01-06 05:13 <Melanie_T> the you just need to make the viewer use the physics mesh it already gets
2016-01-06 05:13 <Melanie_T> that is all viewerside
2016-01-06 05:13 <velusunivers-sys> ok i hve isolated the actual byte its 80 now to work on a parser
2016-01-06 05:14 <Joshhua5> It doesn't already get one, no mesh exists.
2016-01-06 05:14 <Joshhua5> I'll explain what I'm trying to do in detail
2016-01-06 05:14 <Melanie_T> the viewer will request a mesh asset
2016-01-06 05:14 <Melanie_T> it eaither has a phys mesh or it doesn't
2016-01-06 05:14 <Melanie_T> if it doesn't, you need to use a visual mesh or none
2016-01-06 05:15 <Joshhua5> I've got an Octree which I've grabbed all the nodes in that tree with a position in width. From there I want to view this octree on the viewer, so from the idea you said earlier, I'll create a mesh from the information I have and then create an object on the viewer with that mesh
2016-01-06 05:16 <Joshhua5> I can have a physics mesh and no visual mesh right?
2016-01-06 05:16 <Melanie_T> if you want to see it
2016-01-06 05:16 <Melanie_T> you need a visual mesh and no physics mesh
2016-01-06 05:16 <Joshhua5> with Firestorm I can enabled the developer option to render physics meshs?
2016-01-06 05:16 <Melanie_T> ok
2016-01-06 05:17 <Melanie_T> well, if that helps you
2016-01-06 05:17 <Melanie_T> but you still need to send ObjectUpdate to show your created object
2016-01-06 05:17 <Melanie_T> ok, i'ts pretty late
2016-01-06 05:17 <Melanie_T> you ave your food for thought for the day
2016-01-06 05:17 <Joshhua5> I'll eat that for the next few days
2016-01-06 05:17 <Joshhua5> and thank you for the idea
2016-01-06 05:18 <Melanie_T> yw
2016-01-06 05:54 <velusunivers-sys> Melanie_T, where would i find the definitions of the params in the asset data? i have noticed each param number has a value and each number means some part of the system, i.e in asset type hair contains only a couple of params and the shape contains quite a few (between 80 - 143 so far as i have seen) i think i can create a parser now from this but i need to know what each number means, but i would need to know
2016-01-06 05:54 <velusunivers-sys>  where to find this info? would it be in the c# of the system, if so where? or would it be in something else (libmov or somthing)? if so where?
2016-01-06 06:07 <velusunivers-sys> ok got it in libopenmetaverse now i need to work on a parser for it 
2016-01-06 06:17 <velusunivers-sys> hmmmm had a thought just a quick one, i might be able to create a online body shape editor
2016-01-06 16:42 <nebadon> wow Oculus rift is 599$
2016-01-06 16:42 <nebadon> they are insane
2016-01-06 16:42 <nebadon> I do not see how a 599$ oculus can succeed
2016-01-06 16:58 <Ken_S> Yea, was going to order one but not at that price.
2016-01-06 16:59 <Velus-universe> same ere
2016-01-06 16:59 <Ken_S> I was thinking it was going to come in at about $299, but noooo.
2016-01-06 17:01 <Ken_S> We really need a way to use Google Cardboard with Opensim.
2016-01-06 17:01 <Ken_S> I can afford that lol
2016-01-06 17:08 <Velus-universe> i can make it lol
2016-01-06 17:10 <nebadon> latency is a problem there
2016-01-06 17:10 <nebadon> you would end up dizzy with a headache 
2016-01-06 17:10 <nebadon> feeling nauseas
2016-01-06 17:13 <Ken_S> I think most VR does that, even OR to some extent.
2016-01-06 17:15 <nebadon> oh ya
2016-01-06 17:15 <nebadon> the new rift is supposed to be like 97% better than original
2016-01-06 17:15 <nebadon> the original after about an hour i wanted to die
2016-01-06 17:15 <nebadon> horrible car sickness feeling
2016-01-06 17:16 <nebadon> still i doubt its 599$ better
2016-01-06 17:16 <nebadon> lol
2016-01-06 17:16 <nebadon> high price like that to me says, they dont beleive in their product
2016-01-06 17:16 <nebadon> they expect it to be a one time purchase
2016-01-06 17:16 <nebadon> with little eco system backing it
2016-01-06 17:16 <nebadon> its not a loss leader device
2016-01-06 17:17 <nebadon> its a strictly for profit device
2016-01-06 17:17 <nebadon> leads me to beleive there will be very shallow support
2016-01-06 17:22 <Plugh> Perhaps they are trying to get as much money back of their development costs as they aren't sure how big a market they will have
2016-01-06 17:22 <Plugh> New tech always costs a lot at first. Price comes down over time.
2016-01-06 17:24 <Plugh> I still remember seeing 17" LCD monitors at a local store costing around $1,000.
2016-01-06 17:24 <nebadon> ya maybe, but for Facebook to say they expect a billion people to use Oculus
2016-01-06 17:24 <nebadon> and then all of this nonsense
2016-01-06 17:24 <nebadon> first off the specs are ridiculous
2016-01-06 17:25 <nebadon> even if you can afford the device, you need minimum Nvidia 970GTX
2016-01-06 17:25 <nebadon> thats minimum
2016-01-06 17:25 <nebadon> the 970GTX is faster than the original Nvidia Titan Black
2016-01-06 17:25 <nebadon> and costs about 300-350$ depending on model
2016-01-06 17:25 <nebadon> so your already at 1000$ to use an oculus
2016-01-06 17:26 <nebadon> at its bare minimum requirements
2016-01-06 17:26 <nebadon> if you want the optimal experience
2016-01-06 17:26 <nebadon> your probably looking at more like 1200-1300$ purchase for a 980GTX
2016-01-06 17:26 <nebadon> quite litearlly you need the second fastest consumer video card on the market right now to use the oculus
2016-01-06 17:27 <nebadon> which has a market saturation of about 1%
2016-01-06 17:27 <nebadon> world wide
2016-01-06 17:27 <nebadon> couple that with high price, and who the hell is going to use this thing
2016-01-06 17:30 <nebadon> that is 1% of gaming machines too
2016-01-06 17:30 <nebadon> not all computers
2016-01-06 17:36 <AliciaRaven> virtual reality can be dangerous...
2016-01-06 17:36 <AliciaRaven> https://twitter.com/RoboticSteve/status/684774028960231426?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet
2016-01-06 17:43 <nebadon> lol
2016-01-06 17:45 <Velus-universe> i see nothing
2016-01-06 17:46 <AliciaRaven> Velus-universe https://twitter.com/RoboticSteve/status/684774028960231426
2016-01-06 17:47 <nebadon> yea i chopped everything after ? off
2016-01-06 17:47 <nebadon> and it loaded for me
2016-01-06 17:48 <Velus-universe> so did i 
2016-01-06 17:48 <AliciaRaven> the full link from google was full of base64 encoded meta crap, damn twitter lol
2016-01-06 17:48 <Velus-universe> after i said it i noticed
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2016-01-06 22:38 <Plugh> nebadon: wow. That's crazy how much it would cost in total to get and use an OR.
2016-01-06 22:59 <nebadon> yea its kind of upsetting 
2016-01-06 23:00 <nebadon> facebook has been saying up until even about 1-1.5 months ago
2016-01-06 23:00 <nebadon> that it would be "around 350$ USD ballpark"
2016-01-06 23:00 <nebadon> last i checked 599$ is way out of that ballpark
2016-01-06 23:02 <OtakuMegane> At least VR is making some decent progress. Getting to the point I'd actually buy, though probably not for that much. :P
2016-01-06 23:03 <OtakuMegane> Whenever we actually get to Sword Art Online level of VR tech, that's something else. Take all my monies! :D
2016-01-06 23:04 <nebadon> my fear is that this is a sign that Facebook thinks this device is a 1 time purchase
2016-01-06 23:05 <nebadon> they double the price and literally have zero eco system at launch
2016-01-06 23:05 <nebadon> that to me is a big red flag
2016-01-06 23:06 <nebadon> not to mention that if you want the joysticks that go with it, im guessing thats going to be another 100-250$ range
2016-01-06 23:07 <nebadon> im sure they will sell a bunch of them right off the bat, unless they come up with something so amazing no one can say no, which if they had something like that they would be talking about it and showing it already I suspect
2016-01-06 23:07 <nebadon> i just dont see this being a huge success
2016-01-06 23:09 <OtakuMegane> I very much doubt anything released at this stage will qualify as a huge success, if any notable success at all. VR right now is a cool, expensive toy that's reaching the point of being an actual viable product but not there yet.
2016-01-06 23:09 <nebadon> the problem is if everyone who spends 1000+$ on one of thee setups has nothing to play or do with it
2016-01-06 23:10 <nebadon> its going to cause a lot of anger and resentment and that will be a huge setback for VR
2016-01-06 23:10 <OtakuMegane> That's it exactly. ^
2016-01-06 23:11 <OtakuMegane> Even if the tech is affordable and functional, if you have nothing to do with it, the novelty wears off quick and it just ends up in the drawer.
2016-01-06 23:11 <nebadon> yea
2016-01-06 23:11 <nebadon> after about an hour with the oculus I was fully sastisfied havent had a desire to try it again since
2016-01-06 23:12 <nebadon> the experience was cool, but somewhat exhausting
2016-01-06 23:12 <nebadon> the setup is quite difficult
2016-01-06 23:12 <nebadon> its a ton of wired spaghetti mess
2016-01-06 23:12 <nebadon> i cant imagine dealing with that on a daily basis
2016-01-06 23:12 <nebadon> feeling like a wire mummy 
2016-01-06 23:14 <OtakuMegane> For what it provides, no. Now if you had SOA type of 100% sensory immersion, then wired mess is no big deal (for me at least). Totally worth it.
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2016-01-06 23:15 <OtakuMegane> We're at the stage when Apple came up with the Newton or the first mp3 players. Functional if a little buggy, expensive and kind of a hassle.
2016-01-06 23:15 <OtakuMegane> Not at prime yet, needs a little longer then someone will really hit things right.
2016-01-06 23:16 <nebadon> yea I think eventually someone will get it right, but its a far way off
2016-01-06 23:16 <nebadon> hardware has to improve a lot
2016-01-06 23:18 <nebadon> im mostly disappointed in the price
2016-01-06 23:18 <nebadon> it really makes me feel like they have no faith in their product
2016-01-06 23:19 <OtakuMegane> Actually 3-5 years will probably see something marketable tech wise. The key is going to be what you can do with it, just like everything else. Even Oculus could be a big success if they had something compelling beyond "Ohh, cool picture."
2016-01-06 23:19 <nebadon> i have seen a few second life articles where a lot of people seem very upset at the price
2016-01-06 23:19 <nebadon> i suspect that will be echoed a lot
2016-01-06 23:21 <OtakuMegane> NO doubt
2016-01-06 23:54 <Ken_S> nebadon, I did read that they were sending the release version free to all who paid for the alpha and beta versions.
2016-01-06 23:55 <Ken_S> So maybe that's why the price is $599.
2016-01-06 23:55 <Ken_S> They have to cover the costs of the free ones somehow lol
2016-01-06 23:55 <nebadon> yes anyone who did kickstarter
2016-01-06 23:55 <nebadon> considering how deep facebooks pockets are
2016-01-06 23:55 <nebadon> i find this whole thing disturbing 
2016-01-06 23:56 <nebadon> there is no good reason its 600$
2016-01-06 23:56 <Ken_S> Yes, that price was not expected by anyone.
2016-01-07 00:30 <Plugh> How much were they charging for the alpha and beta units?
2016-01-07 00:31 <Velus-universe> $299
2016-01-07 00:31 <Plugh> ok. That's more reasonable.
2016-01-07 00:32 <Velus-universe> yeah but that was developer, you had to hop through hoops to get it 
2016-01-07 00:32 <Plugh> I wonder how Jeri Elsworth is getting on with the castAR?
2016-01-07 00:33 <Velus-universe> i paid for one but missed out by something like an hour or two, bt i have a copon for it which gives me that much off, but i might get my money back though
2016-01-07 00:36 <Plugh> How much were they charging for a castAR?
2016-01-07 00:36 <Velus-universe> not sure
2016-01-07 03:33 <nebadon> hhaha just saw this on reddit
2016-01-07 03:34 <nebadon> http://i.imgur.com/ECgi6St.jpg
2016-01-07 03:34 <nebadon> oculs rift compatibility lol
2016-01-07 03:40 <Plugh> um... the "Sorry! You should get another job." image?
2016-01-07 03:42 <Plugh> http://imgur.com/2aIPwFv
2016-01-07 03:43 <nebadon> haha yea
2016-01-07 04:20 <Ken_S> http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2016/01/06/sonys-playstation-vr-stands-to-be-almost-3x-more-popular-than-oculus-rift-in-2016/
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2016-01-08 11:06 <osmantis> Bug #7798:04 [BulletSim] land_collision not firing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7798 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-01-08 11:55 <AiAustin> Hi folks, I am gettign an errror on loading a MySQL 5.6 dump of my OpenSim contenst and tryign to load it on a new MySQL 5.7 server.  Its complaining about a ROW_FORMAT=FIXED on the "regions" table, and that seems to be the only table row that has that option. is this fixed setting needed, and is it correct?
2016-01-08 11:56 <AiAustin> happy 2016 by the way to anyone on IRC
2016-01-08 12:25 <osmantis> Bug #7799:04 MySQL Table storage engine for 'regions' doesn't have this option (ROW_FORMAT=FIXED) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7799 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-01-08 13:57 <osmantis> Bug #7800:04 Login to 0.9 region with empty cache results in new calling card being created for each friend 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7800 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-01-08 14:36 <osmantis> Bug #7798:04 [BulletSim] land_collision not firing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7798 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2016-01-08 17:19 <osmantis> Bug #7800:04 Login to 0.9 region with empty cache results in new calling card being created for each friend 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7800 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-08 19:27 <osmantis> Bug #7799:04 MySQL Table storage engine for 'regions' doesn't have this option (ROW_FORMAT=FIXED) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7799 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-08 19:36 <osmantis> Bug #7799:04 MySQL Table storage engine for 'regions' doesn't have this option (ROW_FORMAT=FIXED) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7799 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-08 21:38 <jakdaniels> Is it just me or is MaptileStaticUUID now broken when MapImageModule = "MapImageModule" and GenerateMaptiles = false. No maptiles are uploaded at all now.
2016-01-08 21:46 <jakdaniels> hmm... so I see [SCENE]: Region Clunbar1, maptile set to f9129bcd-9cba-4a80-bc0d-e5b4301a30dc
2016-01-08 21:46 <jakdaniels> which is correct, but the maptile is never uploaded
2016-01-08 21:46 <Velus-universe> i dont know i have not done that yet but where do they uplod them to?
2016-01-08 21:46 <Ubit> it should on standard size regions
2016-01-08 21:47 <Ubit> just not on larger
2016-01-08 21:47 <jakdaniels> it is a standard region. do i remember seeing a change to maptile uploading at startup recently?
2016-01-08 21:47 <Ubit> there uploaded as assets for v1 viewers
2016-01-08 21:48 <jakdaniels> larger regions used to work too, the maptile just had to be bigger
2016-01-08 21:48 <Ubit> hmm think i added upload again lo
2016-01-08 21:48 <Ubit> lol,, but with reduced number of pixels
2016-01-08 21:48 <jakdaniels> so 1024x1024 was the largest when using MaptileStaticUUID but using MaptileStaticFile meant you could specify a map for larger regions still
2016-01-08 21:48 <Ubit> bc there is a ossl function that wants it
2016-01-08 21:49 <jakdaniels> and it worked
2016-01-08 21:50 <jakdaniels> now it never uploads anything when GenerateMaptiles = false (which was the switch that turned off auto-generation and allowed static maps)
2016-01-08 21:50 <Ubit> i didn't changed that recently
2016-01-08 21:51 <jakdaniels> ok... did you change uploading maps at startup or anything like that? :)
2016-01-08 21:51 <Ubit> i do see them uploaded at startup
2016-01-08 21:51 <jakdaniels> I'm just curious, cos something has changed
2016-01-08 21:52 <jakdaniels> for static maps
2016-01-08 21:52 <jakdaniels> I'll try and investigate more when I have a bit more time :)
2016-01-08 22:22 <osmantis> Bug #7799:04 MySQL Table storage engine for 'regions' doesn't have this option (ROW_FORMAT=FIXED) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7799 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-01-09 05:02 <Velus-universe> hello in maps and region coords can they go into negitive numbers like -1 
2016-01-09 15:31 <Velus-universe> hello is anyone about?
2016-01-09 15:54 <Velus-universe> can a cooefs be minus
2016-01-09 17:57 <Velus-universe> in the regions table what does the access column for ? and why is it 13?
2016-01-09 19:26 <osmantis> Bug #7801:04 Changed variables in attachment scripts do not persist between relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7801 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-01-09 19:32 <osmantis> Bug #7801:04 Changed variables in attachment scripts do not persist between relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7801 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-09 19:39 <osmantis> Bug #7801:04 Changed variables in attachment scripts do not persist between relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7801 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-09 19:41 <osmantis> Bug #7801:04 Changed variables in attachment scripts do not persist between relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7801 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-09 19:43 <osmantis> Bug #7801:04 Changed variables in attachment scripts do not persist between relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7801 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-09 19:43 <osmantis> Bug #7801:04 Changed variables in attachment scripts do not persist between relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7801 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-01-09 23:37 <Velusuni> can you have negative coords, in the regions? and also can what is the access in the db system for regions
2016-01-09 23:41 <nebadon> Velusuni no
2016-01-09 23:41 <nebadon> cant have negative coordinates
2016-01-09 23:41 <nebadon> 0-65534
2016-01-09 23:42 <Velusuni> ok that will help me alot, also is that the max, 65534?
2016-01-09 23:42 <nebadon> yes 
2016-01-09 23:42 <Velusuni> thanks 
2016-01-09 23:44 <Velusuni> what about the column access in the database unver regions?
2016-01-09 23:44 <Velusuni> under
2016-01-09 23:51 <nebadon_> without looking im not 100% sure
2016-01-09 23:51 <nebadon_> but its either last time the region started up
2016-01-09 23:51 <nebadon_> or last time an avatar was sent there
2016-01-09 23:52 <nebadon_> if I was betting it would be the first one, region started
2016-01-09 23:53 <Velusuni> it only has 13 in it
2016-01-09 23:54 <nebadon_> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Regions_%28database_table%29
2016-01-09 23:54 <Velusuni> could it be age and i have read that it dont actually have the column access
2016-01-09 23:54 <Velusuni> that was the first place i wnet ot
2016-01-09 23:54 <nebadon_> ya guess its not documented
2016-01-09 23:55 <Velusuni> the only thing i can think of is age, 
2016-01-09 23:55 <nebadon_> nah 
2016-01-09 23:55 <nebadon_> we wouldnt store age like that
2016-01-09 23:55 <Velusuni> as in the min age for the place?
2016-01-09 23:56 <nebadon_> there is no real concept of age
2016-01-09 23:56 <nebadon_> the only age we keep track of is avatars birthday
2016-01-09 23:56 <nebadon_> which has no bearing on anything, and its stored in unix time format 
2016-01-09 23:57 <Velusuni> well im at a loss of the resason its a 13 and not t aitme stamp
2016-01-10 00:07 <nebadon> Velusuni only other thing i could think it may be is how many times the region has started
2016-01-10 00:07 <AliciaRaven> Velusuni i think access may be a bitmask or enum of the the access rules, ie public, private group etc
2016-01-10 00:07 <nebadon> that really is the only thing that would make sense
2016-01-10 00:07 <nebadon> ahh ya could be that too i suppose
2016-01-10 00:07 <Velusuni> ok ill look
2016-01-10 00:07 <nebadon> usually those are part of a bigger group of flags
2016-01-10 00:08 <nebadon> but maybe that one is unique since its region maybe im thinking parcel level
2016-01-10 00:08 <AliciaRaven> i think its combined with estate access, so it checks if an avatar can enter the esstate, then the region may also have restrictions
2016-01-10 00:10 <Velusuni> how do you set the rating in the db, for stuff like the general moderate and adult?
2016-01-10 00:12 <AliciaRaven> access may also be that, it could be the rating required to access the region
2016-01-10 00:13 <AliciaRaven> with out looking deeper in to the code i cant say for sure
2016-01-10 00:13 <nebadon> if it were that it would not be stored in years old
2016-01-10 00:13 <nebadon> the viewer has no concept of age
2016-01-10 00:13 <nebadon> other than avatar age, there is also no mechnaism on the back end that deals with age that I am aware of
2016-01-10 00:13 <nebadon> other than the PG rating stuff etc..
2016-01-10 00:13 <nebadon> which is not technically age based
2016-01-10 00:13 <nebadon> its arbitrary
2016-01-10 00:13 <AliciaRaven> all my regions say 13, it must be an enumeration value
2016-01-10 00:15 <Velusuni> where would that info be in the code? i know when i was working with something for autua sim the access was the rating
2016-01-10 00:18 <AliciaRaven> in the code access is read into a variable named AccessLevel
2016-01-10 00:18 <AliciaRaven> in parts its SimAccess
2016-01-10 00:19 <AliciaRaven> yes AccessLevel, is maturaty enum
2016-01-10 00:19 <Velusuni> ? so could that then be the rating? or the minimum level for someone to go to? 
2016-01-10 00:19 <AliciaRaven> public byte AccessLevel
2016-01-10 00:19 <AliciaRaven>         {
2016-01-10 00:19 <AliciaRaven>             get { return (byte)Util.ConvertMaturityToAccessLevel((uint)RegionSettings.Maturity); }
2016-01-10 00:19 <AliciaRaven>         }
2016-01-10 00:19 <Velusuni> so the age rating 
2016-01-10 00:20 <AliciaRaven> PG = 13, Mature = 21, Adult = 42
2016-01-10 00:20 <AliciaRaven> must use those numbers as a bitmask
2016-01-10 00:20 <Velusuni> yes must
2016-01-10 00:20 <Velusuni> so just like the auruasim 
2016-01-10 00:20 <Velusuni> but im sure they was 13 18 21?
2016-01-10 00:21 <AliciaRaven> maturity is 0,1,2 and it converts to that from access and no, its 13,21,42
2016-01-10 00:22 <Velusuni> ok
2016-01-10 00:22 <Velusuni> it could be that it was a while ago i worked on something
2016-01-10 00:23 <Velusuni> but after some people errr attitude i just gave up.
2016-01-10 00:23 <AliciaRaven> access level when sent to the client is a bitmask that includes other data such as parcel flags
2016-01-10 00:23 <Plugh> hehe... I was reading that as ages of people.  :)
2016-01-10 00:27 <Plugh> Velusuni: Are you keeping track of all the information you are gathering so it can be used to update the wiki?
2016-01-10 00:27 <Velusuni> yeah ish 
2016-01-10 00:27 <Velusuni> its in my head atm 
2016-01-10 00:27 <Velusuni> but i have notes on papaer all over the office
2016-01-10 00:34 <Velusuni> nebadon, or Plugh do you know js?
2016-01-10 00:35 <Plugh> I prefer not to if I can help it. :)
2016-01-10 00:35 <nebadon> im hardly a js master ive done some webgl stuff
2016-01-10 00:35 <nebadon> and lots of web site stuff as well though
2016-01-10 00:36 <Plugh> I've done a little when I have to but I try to stay away from it.
2016-01-10 00:36 <Velusuni> nebadon, do you know leafletjs
2016-01-10 00:36 <nebadon> im much better at reading and understanding it than i am at creating original js content
2016-01-10 00:36 <nebadon> i think ive heard of it, never used it though
2016-01-10 00:37 <Plugh> I ditto nebadons last two statements.
2016-01-10 00:39 <Velusuni> thats good lol, im struggling with the map system, im using leafletjs for it but the problem im having at the moment is i cant get it to center on coords and get it to work like a game map. it seems to be a better mapping system than google api, it can be run on your server so you dont have to have it go to the internet wich would make it good for people having it on a intranet
2016-01-10 00:42 <Velusuni> also im not using the zoom on the server i am tring to use the zoom on leaflet with nativezoom, as i have noticed that when you zoom out in the system using domain.com:8002/map-{z}-{x}-{y}-objects.jpg it starts to drop parts
2016-01-10 00:42 <Velusuni> i have talked on there room but no one answers
2016-01-10 00:43 <Plugh> You may have to wait a while or try a different time of day
2016-01-10 00:43 <Velusuni> i have tried every time of the day and also been waiting about a week
2016-01-10 00:44 <Velusuni> the good thing with the way this works is you dont have to have all the tiles as images on the web server (if you using a seperate server) it will get them all from the main server
2016-01-10 00:44 <Plugh> I'm more concerned with being able to clear dead tiles from the world map of a grid.
2016-01-10 00:45 <Velusuni> ?
2016-01-10 00:45 <Velusuni> what do y7ou mean?
2016-01-10 00:47 <nebadon> removing regions from the grid does not remove them from the map
2016-01-10 00:47 <nebadon> there is no built in way to keep the map clean
2016-01-10 00:48 <Velusuni> ahhhh would that not be easy to build in ?
2016-01-10 00:48 <Plugh> nebadon: yea, I've been aware of that for a while. I keep hoping. :P
2016-01-10 00:49 <Plugh> I don't know who/what handles the map shown to the viewer.
2016-01-10 00:49 <Velusuni> would that not be handled by the opensim the map servervice?
2016-01-10 00:49 <Plugh> A region generates a map tile but I'm not sure where it gets sent. I haven't looked at that part of the code.
2016-01-10 00:50 <Velusuni> ill have a little look now to see where they are
2016-01-10 00:51 <Velusuni> isnt it a asset it saves it as in the db?
2016-01-10 00:51 <Velusuni> or filesstem if you have the filebased assets
2016-01-10 00:51 <AliciaRaven> what makes it hard to maintain is that region map tiles get combined in wider zoom level tiles so to remove a region, u not only have to delete its map tile, u also would have to delete all the zoom levels that region appears in a rebuild them all
2016-01-10 00:52 <AliciaRaven> maybe the grid server could have an option to rebuild zoom levels after a sim is deleted, but if it did that just when regions whent offline it would be a big load on the server to rebuild them that oftern
2016-01-10 00:53 <Velusuni> cant you get it to do that when you delete a region?
2016-01-10 00:53 <AliciaRaven> not at the moment
2016-01-10 00:53 <Velusuni> but would it not be easy to implement it?
2016-01-10 00:53 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: I'd be happy with a command that would let me ask for the map to be rebuilt.
2016-01-10 00:54 <Velusuni> doesnt the map rebuild every so often anyway?
2016-01-10 00:54 <AliciaRaven> yea thats what it needs, a console command to rebuild map zoom levels
2016-01-10 00:54 <Velusuni> i know it update my map every so often
2016-01-10 00:55 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-01-10 00:55 <Velusuni> i know when i changed the region info i.e put it from 256 to 1024 it updated the map system not long after
2016-01-10 00:55 <Plugh> Velusuni: Regions can be set to regenerate a map tile. That has to be sent somewhere and it will be combined with tiles from other regions.
2016-01-10 00:55 <Plugh> Velusuni: Try moving a region and see what happens.
2016-01-10 00:56 <Velusuni> ok will do now when i figure out how to get that screen back with screen lol
2016-01-10 00:56 <AliciaRaven> i think it will update and remove them just that it takes a few days, is that right Plugh?
2016-01-10 00:57 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: It never seems to remove tiles. I've had images for regions still be on the map for months.
2016-01-10 00:57 <AliciaRaven> ouch
2016-01-10 00:57 <nebadon> yes there is no removal
2016-01-10 00:57 <nebadon> its hard becasue of all the levels
2016-01-10 00:57 <nebadon> are a concatination of many reigons
2016-01-10 00:58 <nebadon> and since the regions generate the tiles, there is no way for robust to handle this
2016-01-10 00:59 <Plugh> Hm... there is an idea. For a region that is moved, temporarily load a new region in the old location that is just a water sim. Once the map tile for the water region is added to the map the temporary region can be shutdown.
2016-01-10 01:00 <Plugh> hm... A delete map tile command would only need to an area fill on the various zoom levels.
2016-01-10 01:05 <Plugh> When a region generates a maptile does it pass the tile to Robust?
2016-01-10 01:06 <Velusuni> ok my region wont start i changed the Regions.ini and and now when i start the region it is saying the socket is in use
2016-01-10 01:06 <Plugh> You left the previous copy running or you messed up in your port selection.
2016-01-10 01:10 <Plugh> Not surprisingly this micro SD card is empty. I'll need to put something on it before I can use it with either my Pi 2B or Pi Zero.
2016-01-10 01:11 <nebadon_> i would suggest starting off with raspbian
2016-01-10 01:11 <nebadon_> get a fell for the hardware
2016-01-10 01:11 <nebadon_> feel*
2016-01-10 01:11 <Velusuni> ok done it now i had one open i didnt know about lol
2016-01-10 01:11 <Plugh> nebadon: Raspbian is what I use with my Pi 1B.
2016-01-10 01:11 <nebadon_> ah right you already have one i forgot
2016-01-10 01:12 <Plugh> :) 
2016-01-10 01:12 <nebadon_> ubuntu mate 15 is nice
2016-01-10 01:12 <nebadon_> you may like that better its more like mint
2016-01-10 01:12 <Plugh> ew... after that whole Unity issue I'd to stay away from Ubuntu.
2016-01-10 01:12 <nebadon_> to be though raspbian is the most stable
2016-01-10 01:12 <nebadon_> well its mate
2016-01-10 01:12 <Plugh> s/I'd to/I'd like to/
2016-01-10 01:12 <nebadon_> you would like it
2016-01-10 01:13 <nebadon_> its very much like mint
2016-01-10 01:13 <Plugh> Mate is the DE used with Mint.
2016-01-10 01:13 <nebadon_> https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/
2016-01-10 01:14 <nebadon_> i went back to raspbian and use LXDE
2016-01-10 01:14 <Plugh> I mostly run the Pi via SSH so a DE isn't that important to me.
2016-01-10 01:15 <nebadon_> yea
2016-01-10 01:15 <nebadon_> im running VNC on mine using SSH tunnel to access it
2016-01-10 01:15 <nebadon_> been pretty awesome i must say
2016-01-10 01:15 <nebadon_> poor mans secure VNC
2016-01-10 01:15 <nebadon_> lol
2016-01-10 01:16 <Velusuni> ok im now confused with the system lol of the leaflet.js but i will work thi sout
2016-01-10 01:16 <Velusuni> an i see the probnlem nebadon 
2016-01-10 01:16 <Plugh> nebadon: I could copy my Pi 1B memory card to the one for my 2B and then use gparted to increase the partition size.
2016-01-10 01:18 <Plugh> nebadon: Just because I could, I downloaded Windows 10 IoT the other day. When I get a spare micro SD card I will install it and have a look at it for the heck of it.
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2016-01-10 01:20 <Velusuni> hmm im getting the system to work slowly lol
2016-01-10 01:22 <Plugh> I still have to figure out why my OS 0.8.0 stopped working.
2016-01-10 01:25 <Velusuni> it seems to work obk with the zoom system lol but the coords aint working properly
2016-01-10 01:27 <Plugh> You may need to convert between a grid coordinate and a global one.
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2016-01-10 01:35 <Velusuni> the point in using leaflet.js is so you dont have to, it checks the coords by the server i.e domain.com:8002/map-{z}-{x}-{y}-objects.jpg it does a call to the server like that, so it will check for them that way, so then you dont need to convert them 
2016-01-10 01:36 <Velusuni> but ill do the working on that later back to the other parts of the system
2016-01-10 01:39 <Velusuni> but later a lot later i will be putting all my work back on to the other computer and using my main office to work on things
2016-01-10 04:18 <TomTheDragon> I have found the source of this bug: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802
2016-01-10 04:23 <nebadon_> what did you find?
2016-01-10 04:35 <TomTheDragon> nebadon_: GetNeighbours in EntityTransferModule.cs was changed at some point after 0.8.2, in master the calculation is different. It doesn't find all the neighbors.
2016-01-10 04:36 <TomTheDragon> I replaced the computation and it "just worked". That one may have fixed something, but it broke something else.
2016-01-10 04:37 <nebadon_> ok Ubit might be interested in that, maybe misterblue
2016-01-10 04:38 <TomTheDragon> should I include logs of the valid run, with the reversion?
2016-01-10 04:38 <Ubit> what is the robust version?
2016-01-10 04:38 <TomTheDragon> master
2016-01-10 04:39 <TomTheDragon> will have to see if this reverts vehicle related stuff as well
2016-01-10 04:39 <TomTheDragon> i know 0.8.2 has some very broken vehicle crossing
2016-01-10 04:40 <TomTheDragon> And I did isolate the issue to varregion sizes
2016-01-10 06:02 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-10 10:14 <osmantis> Bug #7803:04 Sometimes neighbors not propagated 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7803 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-01-10 10:15 <TomTheDragon> I've submitted a hackish patch for http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802
2016-01-10 10:16 <TomTheDragon> It's mainly just a reversion.
2016-01-10 13:07 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-10 13:21 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-10 13:29 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-10 13:32 <TomTheDragon> Ubit: Does the database backend actually affect the region location lookups?
2016-01-10 13:32 <Ubit> yeap
2016-01-10 13:32 <Ubit> i was writing that on mantis now
2016-01-10 13:33 <TomTheDragon> I read the note asking about what database I was using, and it seemed wholly unrelated. That's very useful information.
2016-01-10 13:33 <Ubit> on the basecode the search by position of older code was replaced by a range check
2016-01-10 13:33 <Ubit> but only tested on MySql
2016-01-10 13:34 <Ubit> why do yoy have PGSQL and MySql at same time?
2016-01-10 13:34 <TomTheDragon> I do not
2016-01-10 13:34 <Ubit> ( PGSQL on 0.9 is not goog still )
2016-01-10 13:34 <TomTheDragon> Or rather, no mysql database running. If the plugin is loading, I'm not really sure why.
2016-01-10 13:35 <Ubit> AHHH
2016-01-10 13:35 <Ubit> i didn't fix PGSQL  :(
2016-01-10 13:35 <TomTheDragon> Is that a trivial fix, for this one?
2016-01-10 13:35 <Ubit> [DatabaseService]    ; PGSQL    ; Uncomment these lines if you want to use PGSQL storage    ; Change the connection string to your db details    StorageProvider = "OpenSim.Data.PGSQL.dll"    ConnectionString = "Server=localhost;Database=opensim;User Id=opensim; password=Drag0n8er;"    ; MySQL    ; Uncomment these lines if you want to use MySQL storage    ; Change the connection string to your db details    StorageProvider = "OpenSim.Data.MySQL
2016-01-10 13:35 <TomTheDragon> I'd be able to test pretty quickly if so.
2016-01-10 13:35 <Ubit> yeap if you know pgsql
2016-01-10 13:36 <Ubit> hmm i do see both umcommented 
2016-01-10 13:36 <Ubit> in robust.ini
2016-01-10 13:37 <TomTheDragon> Ah, my mistake. I highly doubt that's what caused the issue but if you think retesting without that would be better.
2016-01-10 13:37 <Ubit> well for the search changes you can see file MySQLRegionData.cs
2016-01-10 13:37 <Ubit>  public RegionData Get(int posX, int posY, UUID scopeID)  ( around line 83)
2016-01-10 13:38 <TomTheDragon> thanks for pointing that out.
2016-01-10 13:38 <Ubit> you see i replaced code by a full 8km  range search
2016-01-10 13:39 <Ubit> well its a open issue..
2016-01-10 13:39 <Ubit> im just not good in dbs code 
2016-01-10 13:39 <TomTheDragon> I can try to throw together a patch which can actually be used
2016-01-10 13:39 <Ubit> not sure sqlite works on this also
2016-01-10 13:39 <Ubit> bta PGSQL does have other issues
2016-01-10 13:40 <TomTheDragon> I'm pretty sqlite actually fails to run
2016-01-10 13:40 <TomTheDragon> anything to do with presence?
2016-01-10 13:40 <Ubit> it was not updated to 0.9
2016-01-10 13:40 <Ubit> again bc i don't know it 
2016-01-10 13:40 <TomTheDragon> if you have some references to the other issues, i'd like to prevent this backend from rotting
2016-01-10 13:40 <Ubit> check the last migrations code i added to mysql
2016-01-10 13:41 <Ubit> those tell the missing things..
2016-01-10 13:41 <TomTheDragon> thanks, will have a look at that
2016-01-10 13:41 <Ubit> of course..  code that accesses the db also needs fixes
2016-01-10 13:42 <Ubit> sorry ..  but i had enought fight wiht mysql ;)
2016-01-10 13:42 <TomTheDragon> database stuff can be a nightmare
2016-01-10 13:42 <Ubit> you fix as i said possible fails with other sizes
2016-01-10 13:42 <TomTheDragon> not sure what you mean about the code that accesses the db needs fixes, I thought this was the code that does
2016-01-10 13:43 <Ubit> i told about migrations, of course the code that reads and writes also needs to suport those new things
2016-01-10 13:43 <TomTheDragon> ah, right
2016-01-10 13:44 <Ubit> you code as i said  possible fails with other regions sizes
2016-01-10 13:44 <TomTheDragon> yes, I see, not other region sizes adjacent, but other region sizes in general
2016-01-10 13:44 <Ubit> and also in future i whould like to only show regions in view range
2016-01-10 13:44 <Ubit> like sl does +-
2016-01-10 13:44 <TomTheDragon> ah, would that help map rendering nearer regions/areas?
2016-01-10 13:45 <Ubit> ( not necessary that funtion )
2016-01-10 13:45 <Ubit> hmm nopes map is elsewhere
2016-01-10 13:45 <TomTheDragon> i see
2016-01-10 13:45 <Ubit> will reduce load on viewers  if you don't see a reagion
2016-01-10 13:45 <Ubit> with 256m regions it was ok
2016-01-10 13:46 <Ubit> but a 1km region can have a lot of 256m regions around, etc
2016-01-10 13:46 <Ubit> so in future we do need to only show regions that really matter..
2016-01-10 13:47 <TomTheDragon> that makes sense
2016-01-10 13:47 <Ubit> well sl does it even with normal size regions
2016-01-10 13:47 <Ubit> and does more..  doesn't seen content outside view range on same region
2016-01-10 13:47 <Ubit> but thats another harder step :)
2016-01-10 13:48 <Ubit> first  a bit easier is not showing regions..
2016-01-10 13:48 <Ubit> but still TODO
2016-01-10 13:48 <Ubit> please see what you can do, and if this is really the issue
2016-01-10 13:49 <TomTheDragon> I will see what I can do about this one thing, and look at other stuff if I know the issues
2016-01-10 13:49 <Ubit> yeap 
2016-01-10 13:49 <TomTheDragon> and if not the issue, will try with MySQL to replicate
2016-01-10 13:49 <Ubit> this one is the region Get by position
2016-01-10 13:50 <Ubit> see the mysql code and you understand :)
2016-01-10 13:50 <TomTheDragon> yep, there's a between query
2016-01-10 13:51 <Ubit> yeap a large range query on db, then a reduced search
2016-01-10 13:53 <Ubit> RL calls cya later
2016-01-10 13:53 <TomTheDragon> thanks for the info
2016-01-10 13:53 <Ubit> thanks for the repo etc :)
2016-01-10 14:06 <Ubit> actually  the crossing issue is on the other get
2016-01-10 14:06 <TomTheDragon> yeah it is
2016-01-10 14:07 <TomTheDragon> and it's not the sql as far as i can tell
2016-01-10 14:07 <Ubit> it is
2016-01-10 14:07 <TomTheDragon> it's the same query as in the mysql db
2016-01-10 14:07 <Ubit> ..             // extend database search for maximum region size area
2016-01-10 14:08 <Ubit> i fixed pg on that ?
2016-01-10 14:08 <Ubit> nopes i didn't
2016-01-10 14:08 <TomTheDragon> not that one
2016-01-10 14:08 <Ubit> it both gets
2016-01-10 14:09 <Ubit> the get by position and the get by range
2016-01-10 14:09 <TomTheDragon> I think the second get List<RegionData> Get gets called by the handover routines
2016-01-10 14:09 <Ubit> this code does what you tried to do
2016-01-10 14:09 <Ubit> but where it makes sense
2016-01-10 14:09 <TomTheDragon> ah
2016-01-10 14:10 <Ubit> you extended the range...  this does it also but for the max possible size
2016-01-10 14:10 <Ubit> and where it does cost less
2016-01-10 14:10 <TomTheDragon> the range get routine in MySQL changes the X and Y, I see
2016-01-10 14:10 <TomTheDragon> in PGSQL that routine does not
2016-01-10 14:10 <Ubit> yeap its both gets
2016-01-10 14:11 <TomTheDragon> even though the query was changed to between
2016-01-10 14:11 <Ubit> i forgot to tell you about the get by range
2016-01-10 14:11 <Ubit>        public RegionData Get(int posX, int posY, UUID scopeID)        {            string sql = "select * from "+m_Realm+" where \"locX\" = :posX and \"locY\" = :posY";
2016-01-10 14:11 <Ubit> this will fail now in many cases
2016-01-10 14:12 <Ubit> public List<RegionData> Get(int startX, int startY, int endX, int endY, UUID scopeID)
2016-01-10 14:12 <Ubit> will also fail, without a extended range pre search
2016-01-10 14:13 <Ubit> ( that was what you did on the region code )
2016-01-10 14:13 <TomTheDragon> extended range pre search? is that the qstartX = startX stuff?
2016-01-10 14:13 <Ubit> see mysql
2016-01-10 14:13 <Ubit> line 104
2016-01-10 14:14 <Ubit> 108 
2016-01-10 14:14 <Ubit>            int startX = posX - (int)Constants.MaximumRegionSize;
2016-01-10 14:14 <Ubit>             int startY = posY - (int)Constants.MaximumRegionSize;
2016-01-10 14:14 <TomTheDragon> yes, that one
2016-01-10 14:14 <Ubit> then a last loop to reduce to the requested range
2016-01-10 14:14 <TomTheDragon> missing from PGSQL even with the between. will change the other query and supporting code to match, and change this one.
2016-01-10 14:15 <TomTheDragon> and see how it goes
2016-01-10 14:15 <Ubit> but having the region sizes information
2016-01-10 14:15 <Ubit> the pre seach is to know the regions sizes
2016-01-10 14:15 <TomTheDragon> I see
2016-01-10 14:15 <Ubit> well the DB large range seach 
2016-01-10 14:16 <Ubit> and both gets need that
2016-01-10 14:16 <Ubit> a region now needs to be found by any point on it.. not just the reference corner point   also
2016-01-10 14:16 <TomTheDragon> yes
2016-01-10 14:16 <Ubit> that makes code elsewhere a lot easier
2016-01-10 14:17 <Ubit> well that 8km search can be nasty
2016-01-10 14:17 <TomTheDragon> in terms of database search time?
2016-01-10 14:17 <Ubit> mb we should reduce the max region size to 4km
2016-01-10 14:17 <TomTheDragon> even if SQLite worked, I could see that killing it.
2016-01-10 14:18 <Ubit> the list can be big :)
2016-01-10 14:18 <Ubit> it can return 1024 regions :)
2016-01-10 14:19 <Ubit> on a thing like SL mainland
2016-01-10 14:19 <Ubit> a big continent
2016-01-10 14:19 <Ubit> the search time should be identical
2016-01-10 14:19 <Ubit> the db does need to scan the same things
2016-01-10 14:19 <TomTheDragon> right
2016-01-10 14:20 <Ubit> but well region info isn't that large..
2016-01-10 14:20 <Ubit> hmm i even don't know where that code is in sqlite :p
2016-01-10 14:52 <TomTheDragon> yay, successful region crossing
2016-01-10 14:52 <Ubit> :)
2016-01-10 14:54 <TomTheDragon> is this used in the neighbors determination as well?
2016-01-10 14:54 <Ubit> yeap
2016-01-10 14:54 <TomTheDragon> i think that could knock out another bug, not sure
2016-01-10 14:54 <TomTheDragon> I reported a bug about sporadic determination of neighbors
2016-01-10 14:55 <Ubit> seen that
2016-01-10 14:55 <Ubit> think it was the get by position
2016-01-10 14:57 <TomTheDragon> looks like this solved that as well, i've never seen it show up consistently
2016-01-10 14:57 <TomTheDragon> wnat me to put it up for testing? and remove the bad patch?
2016-01-10 14:57 <Ubit> yeap remove the patch
2016-01-10 14:57 <Ubit> ill not use it  as u understand :)
2016-01-10 14:58 <TomTheDragon> right
2016-01-10 14:58 <TomTheDragon> this works better, much better anyway :)
2016-01-10 14:58 <Ubit> and its needed elsewhere
2016-01-10 14:59 <TomTheDragon> if there are other PGSQL issues I might take a crack at it
2016-01-10 14:59 <Ubit> sure there are :(
2016-01-10 14:59 <Ubit> missing fields etc
2016-01-10 15:01 <TomTheDragon> yeah
2016-01-10 15:04 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-01-10 16:58 <TomTheDragon> Are varregions known to cause client lag issues?
2016-01-10 17:04 <Plugh> The contents of a var is what tends to cause lag issues.
2016-01-10 17:07 <TomTheDragon> well, i'm experiencing spikes where framerate drops massively, then goes up to 70fps
2016-01-10 17:08 <TomTheDragon> in a mostly wide open area, with pretty much no builds and a few scattered objects
2016-01-10 17:08 <TomTheDragon> (i.e., jumps from 70 to 8, then back up)
2016-01-10 17:10 <TomTheDragon> Is there a way to tell if a given region I'm at is varregion or megaregion?
2016-01-10 17:19 <nebadon_> I dont think there is any way to tell programatically
2016-01-10 17:20 <Velusuni> 3what is the diff between var and mega?
2016-01-10 17:21 <TomTheDragon> nebadon_: not programmatically, but a region I am actually at
2016-01-10 17:22 <TomTheDragon> I've looked in client stats and seen most of the time go to "ObjectUpdates"
2016-01-10 17:23 <nebadon_> I do not think there is any way to tell
2016-01-10 17:23 <nebadon_> well actually tom
2016-01-10 17:23 <nebadon_> I lie
2016-01-10 17:23 <nebadon_> there is a way to tell
2016-01-10 17:23 <nebadon_> on the map
2016-01-10 17:23 <TomTheDragon> do megaregions outright require different ports for separate regions?
2016-01-10 17:23 <nebadon_> a var region will look like a single region
2016-01-10 17:24 <nebadon_> a mega region will be a cluster of 256m2 cells
2016-01-10 17:24 <TomTheDragon> I thought megaregions would as well
2016-01-10 17:24 <nebadon_> with differing names
2016-01-10 17:24 <TomTheDragon> ohhh
2016-01-10 17:24 <TomTheDragon> ok, these were definitely var regions
2016-01-10 17:37 <AliciaRaven> nebadon_ i see 2 of u, which is real lol
2016-01-10 17:37 <nebadon_> hah they both are, im prepping for my trip :)
2016-01-10 17:37 <nebadon_> I leave for sweden tomorrow
2016-01-10 17:37 <nebadon_> one i have running in a VNC session on my raspberry pi :)
2016-01-10 17:38 <AliciaRaven> ah did u get my pm? thinking u wont have like the other day because of the non registered name
2016-01-10 17:38 <nebadon_> this way I dont have to keep this power hungry intel machine running for 2 weeks when im not here :)
2016-01-10 17:38 <Plugh> nebadon_: First trip of the new year.
2016-01-10 17:38 <nebadon_> oh ya i did, i just noticed it
2016-01-10 17:38 <nebadon_> ya I wont have much time in the next week or so AliciaRaven
2016-01-10 17:38 <nebadon_> yea Plugh :)
2016-01-10 17:39 <AliciaRaven> ah ok
2016-01-10 17:39 <nebadon_> wouldnt be the same if i didnt spend 2 weeks in the north pole at its coldest and darkest hour :)
2016-01-10 17:39 <nebadon_> its supposed to snow 5 inches the day i land
2016-01-10 17:39 <nebadon_> lol
2016-01-10 17:39 <Plugh> What fun. :)
2016-01-10 17:40 <AliciaRaven> look out for the northern lights, i always wanted to see them
2016-01-10 17:40 <nebadon_> ya im not sure i'll be that far enough north
2016-01-10 17:40 <nebadon_> i'll mostly be in stockholm
2016-01-10 17:40 <nebadon_> i of course wont make this tuesdays meeting
2016-01-10 17:44 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-01-10 17:44 <Plugh> What about the one after that?
2016-01-10 17:45 <Plugh> I'm thinking not for that one either if you are gone for 2 weeks.
2016-01-10 17:45 <nebadon_> maybe I will try my best
2016-01-10 17:45 <nebadon_> I may be able to make that one
2016-01-10 17:45 <Plugh> ok.
2016-01-10 17:45 <nebadon_> the first week in sweden up until next sunday i am booked solid with appointments and meetings
2016-01-10 17:46 <nebadon_> but the week after i have a bit more open schedule 
2016-01-10 17:53 <Plugh> lunch time. bbl.
2016-01-10 18:16 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-10 18:17 <nebadon_> nice
2016-01-10 18:18 <Ubit> :)
2016-01-10 18:21 <nebadon_> did you add muckwaddle to contributors.txt?
2016-01-10 18:21 <Ubit> no
2016-01-10 18:21 <nebadon_> could you please?
2016-01-10 18:21 <nebadon_> assuming that is the name they want listed
2016-01-10 18:21 <nebadon_> is muckwaddle TomTheDragon?
2016-01-10 18:22 <nebadon_> TomTheDragon if that is indeed you just let us know what name you would prefer to be listed
2016-01-10 18:22 <TomTheDragon> nebadon_: sorry, was away
2016-01-10 18:22 <nebadon_> no problem, is that your patch?
2016-01-10 18:23 <TomTheDragon> nebadon_: yes, that was mine (with ubit's help), you can add that mail
2016-01-10 18:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #4584 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-01-10 18:23 <nebadon_> we dont list email address 
2016-01-10 18:23 <nebadon_> just a name
2016-01-10 18:24 <TomTheDragon> ah, just a name then it may be best to list TomTheDragon
2016-01-10 18:24 <Ubit> grrrr
2016-01-10 18:24 <nebadon_> :)
2016-01-10 18:24 <TomTheDragon> hmm?
2016-01-10 18:24 <nebadon_> he already added muckwaddle :P
2016-01-10 18:24 <nebadon_> its easy fix
2016-01-10 18:24 <nebadon_> dont worry
2016-01-10 18:25 <TomTheDragon> oh, sorry
2016-01-10 18:27 <Ubit> errr change muckwaddle name contributors.txt ?   me and c&p ;)
2016-01-10 18:27 <nebadon_> lol
2016-01-10 18:27 <TomTheDragon> thanks
2016-01-10 18:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4584: SUCCESS in 15 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4584/
2016-01-10 18:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Fix region data range selection in the PGSQL backend.
2016-01-10 18:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #4585 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-01-10 18:31 <TomTheDragon> Does anyone know why a sim won't come up with XEngine disabled? It seems like it only applies if there are scripts in objects.
2016-01-10 18:32 <TomTheDragon> I'd like to run a quick test with scripts off to see what's generating a lot of client lag. Without destroying the scripts, though I don't really care about the state.
2016-01-10 18:33 <Ubit> guess startup code currently assumes there is a engine alive and fails if not
2016-01-10 18:34 <nebadon_> it should still enable log ins with out scripts
2016-01-10 18:34 <TomTheDragon> not entirely, I've turned it off on my localhost test instance
2016-01-10 18:34 <nebadon_> if it did not then no one would ever be able to log into opensim
2016-01-10 18:34 <Plugh> TomTheDragon: You can preserve the script state by saving their state files. You could leave XEngine running and disable scripts after you enter the region.
2016-01-10 18:34 <nebadon_> TomTheDragon try this type > login enable
2016-01-10 18:35 <nebadon_> and see if you can get in after that
2016-01-10 18:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4585: SUCCESS in 5 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4585/
2016-01-10 18:35 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: update contributors.txt
2016-01-10 18:35 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change muckwaddle name contributors.txt
2016-01-10 18:35 <nebadon_> that sounds like a bug for sure though
2016-01-10 18:39 <TomTheDragon> it does let me log in
2016-01-10 18:39 <TomTheDragon> neighbors never get updated, however
2016-01-10 18:39 <nebadon_> oh hrmm
2016-01-10 18:39 <nebadon_> but only when xengine is disabled?
2016-01-10 18:39 <TomTheDragon> yes
2016-01-10 18:39 <nebadon_> what the hell
2016-01-10 18:39 <Ubit> that can happen just bc you logged 2 soon
2016-01-10 18:40 <nebadon_> oh right
2016-01-10 18:40 <nebadon_> maybe login doesnt get disabled with xengine disabled?
2016-01-10 18:40 <nebadon_> allowing you to log in to soon
2016-01-10 18:40 <TomTheDragon> what can happen if i logged too soon?
2016-01-10 18:40 <nebadon_> when xengine is enabled it prevents logins to early
2016-01-10 18:40 <nebadon_> could be part of your problem
2016-01-10 18:40 <Ubit> [18:40] <TomTheDragon> neighbors never get updated, however  <--  this can happen
2016-01-10 18:40 <TomTheDragon> no, show neighbours from console doesn't show anything
2016-01-10 18:41 <TomTheDragon> and yes, i've run into that issue. though the PGSQL fix seems to have improved its reliability
2016-01-10 18:41 <Ubit> that was a fundamental fix for 0.9
2016-01-10 18:42 -!- Aramis^(~someone@73.46.239.240) has left #opensim-dev
2016-01-10 18:42 <Ubit> ( at osgrid those crossings can also fail, and view range needs to be at least 256m)
2016-01-10 18:43 <Ubit> since osg services are 0.8.2
2016-01-10 18:43 <Plugh> I really need to find out why my 080PF standalone no longer works. 
2016-01-10 18:44 <Ubit> 80 ? guess only you are adding bugs to it :)
2016-01-10 18:45 <Plugh> I wanted to test something related to event listings for a grid still running 080. I don't know why the program won't run any more. The only main thing that I changed on my machine was mono.
2016-01-10 18:45 <Ubit> "the only main thing" was mono :)
2016-01-10 18:45 <Plugh> The configs didn't change. 
2016-01-10 18:46 <Plugh> Are mono 4.2.1 and 080PF not compatible?
2016-01-10 18:46 <Ubit> yeap but mono can be a big "only" thing
2016-01-10 18:46 <Plugh> yea.
2016-01-10 18:46 <Ubit> neb and dan can tell you
2016-01-10 18:46 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-01-10 18:47 <Plugh> I didn't expect mono update to break things. Installing an older version of mono is my next thing so I can see if that is the problem.
2016-01-10 18:47 <Ubit> think dan already as a list of bad monos
2016-01-10 18:48 <nebadon_> I am using new mono
2016-01-10 18:49 <nebadon_> there are some wierd things, but it wont prevent opensim from working
2016-01-10 18:49 <nebadon_> it has to do with how DNS gets handled
2016-01-10 18:49 <nebadon_> and how it caches DHCP FQDN
2016-01-10 18:49 <nebadon_> there is no built in mechanism to refresh DNS with mono 
2016-01-10 18:49 <nebadon_> .net has it though
2016-01-10 18:49 <Plugh> Just pointing to 'localhost'.
2016-01-10 18:50 <nebadon_> that should not be a problem with any version of mono
2016-01-10 18:50 <nebadon_> what exaclty is the error you get?
2016-01-10 18:50 <Plugh> 13:42:50 - [APPLICATION]: 
2016-01-10 18:50 <Plugh> APPLICATION EXCEPTION DETECTED: System.UnhandledExceptionEventArgs
2016-01-10 18:50 <Plugh> Exception: System.Exception: Could not load an ISimulationDataService implementation from OpenSim.Services.Connectors.dll:SimulationDataService, as configured in the LocalServiceModule parameter of the [SimulationDataStore] config section.
2016-01-10 18:50 <Plugh>   at OpenSim.OpenSimBase.StartupSpecific () [0x001fd] in /home/kcozens/Projects/OpenSimulator/opensim-080PF/OpenSim/Region/Application/OpenSimBase.cs:281 
2016-01-10 18:50 <Plugh>   at OpenSim.OpenSim.StartupSpecific () [0x0010c] in /home/kcozens/Projects/OpenSimulator/opensim-080PF/OpenSim/Region/Application/OpenSim.cs:169 
2016-01-10 18:50 <Plugh>   at OpenSim.Framework.Servers.BaseOpenSimServer.Startup () [0x00002] in /home/kcozens/Projects/OpenSimulator/opensim-080PF/OpenSim/Framework/Servers/BaseOpenSimServer.cs:150 
2016-01-10 18:50 <Plugh>   at OpenSim.Application.Main (System.String[] args) [0x00409] in /home/kcozens/Projects/OpenSimulator/opensim-080PF/OpenSim/Region/Application/Application.cs:325 
2016-01-10 18:50 <Plugh> Application is terminating: True
2016-01-10 18:50 <Plugh> oops... probably should have pastebin'ed that.
2016-01-10 18:50 <nebadon_> no worries
2016-01-10 18:51 <nebadon_> hmm i kind of remember this happening with certain versions of mono
2016-01-10 18:51 <nebadon_> but that it was fixed
2016-01-10 18:51 <nebadon_> 4.2 mono should be fine though
2016-01-10 18:51 <Ubit> you deleted the addons folder on bin ?
2016-01-10 18:51 <nebadon_> im running 4.0.4 and 4.3
2016-01-10 18:52 <Plugh> Here is the full output from the console and the details of mono -> http://pastebin.com/AkN4gP8J
2016-01-10 18:53 <nebadon_> this is grid mode?
2016-01-10 18:53 <nebadon_> it seems like its loading grid ini files
2016-01-10 18:53 <nebadon_> and not standalone
2016-01-10 18:54 <nebadon_> look at inis being loaded at the top
2016-01-10 18:54 <nebadon_> no standalone
2016-01-10 18:54 <Plugh> 4.2 seems to be latest in the repo of mono-tools.
2016-01-10 18:54 <nebadon_> im pretty sure this is not a mono issue
2016-01-10 18:54 <Ubit> err not addons  but addin-db-???
2016-01-10 18:55 <Plugh> oh
2016-01-10 18:55 <Ubit> it keeps hard cache
2016-01-10 18:55 <Ubit> a hard cache
2016-01-10 18:57 <Plugh> I had tried setting up a new instance already. I just tried again after deleting the addin-db* dir. Still won't start.
2016-01-10 18:57 <Ubit> :(
2016-01-10 18:57 <Plugh> http://pastebin.com/CKWzKJfr
2016-01-10 18:57 <Plugh> I know. I can't figure out what has changed (besides mono).
2016-01-10 18:58 <Plugh> I'll downgrade my mono to 2.10 and see if that helps.
2016-01-10 19:05 <Plugh> FYI, 082PF is running fine in standalone mode on my machine.
2016-01-10 19:11 <TomTheDragon> I'm looking in frame console and seeing a ton of what is either "object updates" or "update particles" on a very fresh sim
2016-01-10 19:12 <TomTheDragon> trying to determine why the server is sending so much of that out
2016-01-10 19:14 <nebadon_> var regions can have a long reach in terms of how many regions they can communicate with
2016-01-10 19:14 <nebadon_> from my experience its best to isolate your vars away from other size regions if possible
2016-01-10 19:14 <nebadon_> my rule of thumb is to leave a gap around your vars equal to the size of the var
2016-01-10 19:14 <TomTheDragon> well, there's just a bunch of vars
2016-01-10 19:14 <nebadon_> so if your var is 1024x1024 do not put any other sized vars within 1024m of it
2016-01-10 19:15 <nebadon_> this is not a hard rule of course but for me keeps things safe
2016-01-10 19:15 <nebadon_> otherwise say you have a 1024x1024 var surrounded by dozens of 256m2 regions
2016-01-10 19:16 <nebadon_> within that 1024m buffer
2016-01-10 19:16 <nebadon_> anything inside that buffer its potentially going to connect to and talk to
2016-01-10 19:16 <TomTheDragon> well, it's a 2x4 1024x1024 cluster of vars
2016-01-10 19:16 <nebadon_> it could be 100s of regions
2016-01-10 19:16 <TomTheDragon> the client, you mean?
2016-01-10 19:16 <nebadon_> both the client and the regions themsevles
2016-01-10 19:16 <nebadon_> talking to each other
2016-01-10 19:16 <nebadon_> your avatar will create a child agent in all of those regions
2016-01-10 19:17 <TomTheDragon> wait, not just the neighbors?
2016-01-10 19:17 <nebadon_> if all of your vars are equaly sized then its not such a problem
2016-01-10 19:17 <TomTheDragon> ah
2016-01-10 19:17 <nebadon_> correct not just the immediate neighbors
2016-01-10 19:17 <nebadon_> anything in that buffer zone
2016-01-10 19:17 <nebadon_> it will look as far out as it is wide
2016-01-10 19:17 <TomTheDragon> though if this is legitmiately particle updates, it makes no sense at all
2016-01-10 19:17 <nebadon_> so if its 1024x1024 it could potentially find neighbors 4 cells out
2016-01-10 19:17 <Ubit> all regions you can see if on a edge..
2016-01-10 19:18 <nebadon_> was that fixed Ubit?
2016-01-10 19:18 <nebadon_> so its only edge regions
2016-01-10 19:18 <Ubit> ( that i said early we should change in future )
2016-01-10 19:18 <nebadon_> it wasnt always like that i know
2016-01-10 19:18 <Ubit> it was i think
2016-01-10 19:18 <nebadon_> ah ok i didnt know that
2016-01-10 19:18 <Ubit> when it worked ;)
2016-01-10 19:18 <nebadon_> ya I dont know if it works now or not either
2016-01-10 19:18 <nebadon_> i just know in the past it casue me problems
2016-01-10 19:18 <nebadon_> had to move my vars several times
2016-01-10 19:18 <Ubit> should work now
2016-01-10 19:19 <nebadon_> cool
2016-01-10 19:19 <Ubit> but that can be a lot of regions...
2016-01-10 19:19 <nebadon_> yes it still can
2016-01-10 19:19 <nebadon_> if they are not equal sized
2016-01-10 19:19 <Ubit> so your gap rule is still good
2016-01-10 19:19 <nebadon_> 1024x1024 fully surrounded by 256m would create 25 child agents
2016-01-10 19:19 <nebadon_> thats insane amount of talking
2016-01-10 19:19 <Ubit> yeap
2016-01-10 19:20 <Ubit> next step is changing that as by distance relative to avatar position, not region edge
2016-01-10 19:20 <nebadon_> that would be nice
2016-01-10 19:20 <TomTheDragon> yeah
2016-01-10 19:21 <nebadon_> we could use that at Encitra
2016-01-10 19:21 <nebadon_> some of our models are giganticly large
2016-01-10 19:21 <Ubit> nto that hard
2016-01-10 19:21 <nebadon_> biggest on is 15 768x768 in 3x5
2016-01-10 19:21 <nebadon_> you can see the enitre thing as soon as you log in
2016-01-10 19:21 <Ubit> just that code is now a nice spargetti..
2016-01-10 19:21 <nebadon_> all 15 regions load
2016-01-10 19:22 <nebadon_> would it be based on viewer draw distance setting?
2016-01-10 19:22 <Ubit> yeap
2016-01-10 19:22 <nebadon_> or something still hard coded at simulator side?
2016-01-10 19:22 <nebadon_> or maybe a bit of both?
2016-01-10 19:22 <Ubit> with claps
2016-01-10 19:22 <nebadon_> right
2016-01-10 19:22 <nebadon_> sounds nice :)
2016-01-10 19:22 <nebadon_> i assume you meant "clamps"
2016-01-10 19:22 <Ubit> now there is a 512m  max for regions
2016-01-10 19:23 <Ubit> max and min hardcoded :)
2016-01-10 19:23 <nebadon_> yea
2016-01-10 19:23 <Ubit> a min like 64m or 128
2016-01-10 19:23 <TomTheDragon> for draw distance?
2016-01-10 19:24 <nebadon_> ya otherwise you could craft a viewer that could make nasty things happen on simulators
2016-01-10 19:24 <nebadon_> like load 1000 regions
2016-01-10 19:24 <nebadon_> lol
2016-01-10 19:24 <Ubit> that code will only run if you move X meters ( like others already)
2016-01-10 19:24 <Ubit> so a min is needed
2016-01-10 19:25 <Ubit> a max of 2 standard regions seems ok
2016-01-10 19:25 <Ubit> and like SL, needs a fast show region
2016-01-10 19:25 <Ubit> and a delayed remove region
2016-01-10 19:26 <Ubit> 2minutes.. one minute..  something like that
2016-01-10 19:26 <Ubit> so if yr moving around yr little garden  regions aren't connected and discon all the time :)
2016-01-10 19:27 <Plugh> How are you supposed to debug C# code when the source is in one place and the binaries you are using are in another?
2016-01-10 19:27 <Ubit> set in the bug the exec path
2016-01-10 19:28 <Ubit> in the bug? in the debug! :)
2016-01-10 19:28 <Plugh> Tried setting it in monodevelop and then it can't find the SimulationDataStore section at all.
2016-01-10 19:30 <Ubit> well im in VS :)
2016-01-10 19:30 <Ubit> sometimes if it sees the .pdb it finds the sources
2016-01-10 19:31 <Ubit> even when attaching to a running program
2016-01-10 19:33 <Plugh> I can't attach to a running program because it won't run. :P
2016-01-10 19:36 <Plugh> Seems I'm totally fscked. I can't do any more work on events until I can get the grid updated to 082 which I can't do until the new grid management software is ready.
2016-01-10 19:38 <Plugh> I'm sure I had event markers showing on he map and searchable in a viewer in 080 in my standalone. In an 080 based grid I see event markers in the map but I can't search for events. I can't compare the grid setup to my own because my 080 will no longer run.
2016-01-10 19:47 <nebadon_> the first thing i noticed Plugh when you showed your log
2016-01-10 19:47 <nebadon_> is its loading Grid ini files and not Standalone
2016-01-10 19:48 <nebadon_> make sure launch script is correct?
2016-01-10 19:48 <Plugh> That was in the second attempt. I was trying to see if there was any difference between grid and standalone mode. 
2016-01-10 19:48 <nebadon_> not sure what else it could be otherwise, but it didnt seem to be setup for standalone
2016-01-10 19:48 <nebadon_> ok
2016-01-10 19:48 <Plugh> My launch script is just "mono --debug OpenSim.exe".
2016-01-10 19:48 <nebadon_> k
2016-01-10 19:49 <nebadon_> i get this same exact message
2016-01-10 19:49 <nebadon_> if i dont rename Standalone-Common.ini.example to just .ini
2016-01-10 19:49 <nebadon_> you will get the same exact startup message you get
2016-01-10 19:49 <nebadon_> i do remember getting this problem though very early mono 4 testing
2016-01-10 19:50 <nebadon_> it actually held back testing for a while, but then it got fixed i think by something we changed
2016-01-10 19:50 <nebadon_> so its very possible thats why it is also failing
2016-01-10 19:50 <nebadon_> i kind of recall diva fixing something in our code to make mono work again
2016-01-10 19:50 <nebadon_> but its foggy now
2016-01-10 19:50 <nebadon_> so i guess first thing to try is older mono
2016-01-10 19:50 <nebadon_> 3.2.8
2016-01-10 19:51 <nebadon_> or 3.12.1
2016-01-10 19:51 <Plugh> I don't understand what it means when it says it can't load the ISimulationDataService.  The only place SimulationDataService exists is in an ini that we are  not supposed to touch.
2016-01-10 19:53 <nebadon_> yes i beleive it has to do with nini and recursion or something
2016-01-10 19:53 <nebadon_> the include statements fail
2016-01-10 19:53 <nebadon_> so the sub ini files cant be seen
2016-01-10 19:54 <Plugh> I don't have easy access to an older mono. I'd have to uninstall all the system wide mono complete 4.2 thing and find some place to download the older version. I tried to compile 2.10 and it won't build as it complains about a missing Makefile.in file.
2016-01-10 19:54 <nebadon_> you followed my userspace instructions?
2016-01-10 19:54 <Plugh> I keep wondering if I messed up a string in an ini and left off the trailing " so it is just eating the rest of the settings in the ini files.
2016-01-10 19:54 <nebadon_> you do not need to clobber main mono
2016-01-10 19:54 <nebadon_> 1 moment
2016-01-10 19:55 <nebadon_> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44
2016-01-10 19:55 <nebadon_> http://download.mono-project.com/sources/mono/mono-3.12.1.tar.bz2
2016-01-10 19:55 <nebadon_> http://download.mono-project.com/sources/libgdiplus/libgdiplus-3.12.tar.gz
2016-01-10 19:56 <nebadon_> use my instructions but instead of mono 4, replace everything with those urls and version numbers
2016-01-10 19:56 <nebadon_> if you get stuck just shout
2016-01-10 19:56 <nebadon_> im sure we can figure it out
2016-01-10 19:56 <nebadon_> i do this like once a month :)
2016-01-10 19:56 <nebadon_> or more
2016-01-10 19:56 <TomTheDragon> I'm currently running mono from a separate /opt path
2016-01-10 19:57 <nebadon_> yes that is what i do as well
2016-01-10 19:57 <nebadon_> i go one step further
2016-01-10 19:58 <nebadon_> and make /home/<user>/bin/mono
2016-01-10 19:58 <TomTheDragon> chroot or a linux container?
2016-01-10 19:58 <nebadon_>  a symlink to /opt/mono-x.x.x
2016-01-10 19:58 <TomTheDragon> ah
2016-01-10 19:58 <nebadon_> this way i can switch mono version on the fly
2016-01-10 19:58 <nebadon_> just by changing the symlink
2016-01-10 19:58 <nebadon_> dont have to adjust bash
2016-01-10 19:58 <nebadon_> you can have literally every version of mono ever :)
2016-01-10 19:59 <TomTheDragon> yeah, something like update-alternatives in Debian. that's convenient
2016-01-10 19:59 <nebadon_> ya or rvm or ruby
2016-01-10 19:59 <nebadon_> or=for
2016-01-10 20:10 <Dayna> Hello and good day everyone.  I had hired a programmer to help setup our grid.  Anyways, he bolted on us and left us high abs dry.  This leads me to our problem.  He created custom scripting functions and he refuses to give us the code he used to write it.  How do I go about getting it from our program?  We've been stuck back 3 versions now.  I would appreciate any help. 
2016-01-10 20:12 <nebadon_> you would need the source code Dayna
2016-01-10 20:12 <Dayna> Is there any way to extract it from the program? 
2016-01-10 20:13 <misterblue> by 'custom scripting function'... do you mean new LSL functions or scripts used to configure and build?
2016-01-10 20:13 <Dayna> Yes it's a new scripting functions.  The code we're trying to get is gqsendpricedialog 
2016-01-10 20:14 <nebadon_> there may be a way to decompile a dll, but its probably not reliable
2016-01-10 20:14 <Dayna> He refuses to give us the source code. 
2016-01-10 20:14 <nebadon_> even if you could it would likely require rewriting
2016-01-10 20:14 <nebadon_> it wouldnt be as  simple as extract it and then plop it back into the code
2016-01-10 20:14 <Dayna> No way around decompiling 
2016-01-10 20:14 <Ubit> hmm?
2016-01-10 20:15 <Ubit> think vs includes a decompiler by default
2016-01-10 20:15 <nebadon_> ya it might work to decompile
2016-01-10 20:15 <Ubit> to cil of course :)
2016-01-10 20:15 <nebadon_> but that code probably just wont work on newer opensim code
2016-01-10 20:15 <nebadon_> but you could atleast get the logic out of it maybe
2016-01-10 20:15 <nebadon_> this is expert level stuff
2016-01-10 20:16 <Ubit> i looked to it  ages ago
2016-01-10 20:16 <Ubit> funny to read :)
2016-01-10 20:16 <nebadon_> its one of those things that if you have to ask
2016-01-10 20:16 <nebadon_> you probably cant pull it off :)
2016-01-10 20:16 <nebadon_> no offense
2016-01-10 20:16 <nebadon_> just being realistic
2016-01-10 20:17 <Dayna> I was hoping there would be a way around it
2016-01-10 20:17 <Ubit> well in that case, a lot easier to make new scripts
2016-01-10 20:17 <Dayna> Well it's part of a larger thing. 
2016-01-10 20:17 <TomTheDragon> actually, wouldn't C# be reasonable to decompile? compared to say, C/C++?
2016-01-10 20:17 <nebadon_> i dont think it decompiles to C#
2016-01-10 20:17 <nebadon_> thats the thing
2016-01-10 20:18 <Ubit> nopes, at most to CIL
2016-01-10 20:18 <nebadon_> so if you ultimately want to get it back to C#
2016-01-10 20:18 <TomTheDragon> I know there's a Java decompiler
2016-01-10 20:18 <nebadon_> it means looking at that and then rewriting it
2016-01-10 20:18 <nebadon_> based on the logic
2016-01-10 20:18 <AliciaRaven> c# is rediculously easy to decompile, select the language to c# or vb and it recreates the code exactly almost, functions the same anyway
2016-01-10 20:18 <Dayna> We've been decompiling, but were only able to get a small portion of the code
2016-01-10 20:18 <nebadon_> nice, i thought it was more difficult than that
2016-01-10 20:18 <TomTheDragon> ILSpy is a C# one, I haven't really used it. However, it'll definitely take rewriting.
2016-01-10 20:19 <nebadon_> AliceaRaven will know better than I would :)
2016-01-10 20:19 <TomTheDragon> At least to keep it compatible.
2016-01-10 20:19 <nebadon_> yes in this case the problem is the code is not compatible with current opensim
2016-01-10 20:19 <AliciaRaven> weather u should do that is another matter, if he wrote it and wont give it you, he may claim copyright over it
2016-01-10 20:19 <nebadon_> so the decompile even if its pure C#
2016-01-10 20:19 <Dayna> lLSpy is a program we should try
2016-01-10 20:19 <nebadon_> it still not going to work on master
2016-01-10 20:19 <nebadon_> without adjusting the code
2016-01-10 20:19 <TomTheDragon> right
2016-01-10 20:19 <Dayna> No we own the copyright 
2016-01-10 20:20 <Dayna> I paid for the job to be done
2016-01-10 20:20 <Dayna> He stole the money
2016-01-10 20:20 <Dayna> He's looking at a lawsuit from my company
2016-01-10 20:20 <AliciaRaven> c# comes with reflection which is enough to convert it
2016-01-10 20:20 <AliciaRaven> check .net reflector, i think that is the best
2016-01-10 20:21 <Plugh> I've decompiled a C# file before where source code was lost or unavailable. It is doable.
2016-01-10 20:21 <nebadon_> yea its definitely doable
2016-01-10 20:21 <TomTheDragon> however, it's not magic. you still have to know how to code to make it work in newer versions
2016-01-10 20:21 <nebadon_> someone will have to still make it work on master though
2016-01-10 20:21 <Plugh> It will still need a bit of cleanup after the fact but it saves rewriting from scratch.
2016-01-10 20:21 <AliciaRaven> its too easy to do i think
2016-01-10 20:22 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: yea. Not good if you want to really hide what you are doing in code.
2016-01-10 20:22 <nebadon_> im not sure C# is a good choice if you want to hide what you are doing :)
2016-01-10 20:22 <AliciaRaven> no code protection, unless u use obfuscation or convert the c# exe to pure machine code
2016-01-10 20:23 <Plugh> Dayna: Sorry to hear the programmer took off on you. Not the first time I've heard of someone doing something like that.
2016-01-10 20:23 <Plugh> That's makes for a good reason to pay on delivery of code.
2016-01-10 20:24 <Dayna> Yeah live and learn.
2016-01-10 20:24 <Plugh> nebadon: I'll have a go at compiling mono later. I have the code checked out from git. I don't understand the branch designations.
2016-01-10 20:25 <nebadon_> dont use git mono
2016-01-10 20:25 <nebadon_> use tarball
2016-01-10 20:25 <Plugh> Dayna: When I did work for a client I asked for a certain amount as a retainer then payments were made when milestones where met.
2016-01-10 20:25 <nebadon_> its way more reliable
2016-01-10 20:25 <Dayna> I'll be doing that next time for sure.  We got burned 
2016-01-10 20:26 <Plugh> nebadon: Oh. I was trying to save downloads and make it easier to switch between versions as I already have all versions in my copy of the repo.
2016-01-10 20:26 <nebadon_> ive had trouble trying to do that
2016-01-10 20:26 <Plugh> yea. like why it tells me there is a missing Makefile.in file. :P
2016-01-10 20:26 <nebadon_> they must do some kind of cleanup on the tarballs
2016-01-10 20:27 <Velusuni> Dayna, use escrow for paying, that way the person creating it knows your paying and it pnly goes to them when your happy
2016-01-10 20:27 <Plugh> Is branch mono-2-8 a version of mono 2 version 0.8? 
2016-01-10 20:27 <nebadon_> its probably mono version 2.8
2016-01-10 20:28 <Dayna> We're likely going to hire someone on full time as an employee. 
2016-01-10 20:28 <Velusuni> ok
2016-01-10 20:28 <Dayna> What file would we need to decompile? 
2016-01-10 20:28 <nebadon_> Visual Studio
2016-01-10 20:29 <Velusuni> http://ilspy.net/ is good
2016-01-10 20:29 <nebadon_> www.reflector.net
2016-01-10 20:29 <Plugh> I'm trying to remember what I used.
2016-01-10 20:30 <Melanie_T> Dayna: can you tell me what that function does, the one you need?
2016-01-10 20:30 <Melanie_T> Dayna: in pvt if you don't want it spread around is fine, too
2016-01-10 20:30 <Dayna> Yes it is gqsendpricedialog 
2016-01-10 20:30 <Melanie_T> but what does it do?
2016-01-10 20:30 <nebadon_> is this for some kind of marketplace or something
2016-01-10 20:30 <nebadon_> land sales?
2016-01-10 20:31 <Dayna> Marketplace
2016-01-10 20:31 <Dayna> And land sales
2016-01-10 20:31 <Dayna> Buying in general as well
2016-01-10 20:31 <Melanie_T> Dayna: all you're saying is the name, not what it does
2016-01-10 20:32 <AliciaRaven> basicaly it sounds like u want a currency module?
2016-01-10 20:32 <Dayna> I'm not the programmer, but I think is that it sends a price when requested in a dialog menu 
2016-01-10 20:34 <Melanie_T> that is not a lot to go on. i'm trying to ascertain the complexity of the function and see if maybe something similar already exists
2016-01-10 20:34 <Plugh> I just checked. I used ILSpy to decompile a C# module about 2.5 years ago.
2016-01-10 20:34 <Melanie_T> in such cases it is often so that these "rpogrammers" only offer work that has already been mostly done by others
2016-01-10 20:34 <Velusuni> i used it last month
2016-01-10 20:34 <Melanie_T> meaning, all code needed for it may already esist in opensim proper
2016-01-10 20:36 <Plugh> nebadon: I'll have a go at building mono later. I need to take a run to Best Buy so I can pick up one or two microSD cards for use with my Pi's. That will let me have another possible battle on my hands. :)
2016-01-10 20:36 <nebadon_> nice
2016-01-10 20:36 <nebadon_> ok I will be around all day pretty much if you need me
2016-01-10 20:36 <nebadon_> just setting up this new laptop i got
2016-01-10 20:36 <nebadon_> which is pretty bad ass machine
2016-01-10 20:37 <nebadon_> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834232561&cm_re=G751JY-_-34-232-561-_-Product
2016-01-10 20:37 <Plugh> nebadon: I tried to copy my Pi 1B memory card to the microSD card for a 2B and it didn't work. I've downloaded both versions of Jessie and may use one of them. I was hoping to copy my existing card as it has the configuration for the WiFi device.
2016-01-10 20:38 <nebadon_> how are you copying?
2016-01-10 20:38 <nebadon_> also pi1 is armv6
2016-01-10 20:38 <nebadon_> pi2 is armv7
2016-01-10 20:38 <nebadon_> they are not compatible
2016-01-10 20:38 <nebadon_> some older pi1 images dont have v7 
2016-01-10 20:38 <nebadon_> some of the newer ones have both
2016-01-10 20:39 <Plugh> I didn't pay that much for my new desktop. 
2016-01-10 20:39 <nebadon_> hah me either
2016-01-10 20:39 <nebadon_> if the company wasnt buying me this stuff id have like a sub 1000$ pc myself
2016-01-10 20:39 <nebadon_> lol
2016-01-10 20:39 <Plugh> and thats saving $400? yikes.
2016-01-10 20:40 <nebadon_> ya the one i originally ordered was about 1400$
2016-01-10 20:40 <nebadon_> but the keyboard on it was broken when it arrived
2016-01-10 20:40 <nebadon_> and to RMA takes 7-10 days
2016-01-10 20:40 <TomTheDragon> by the way, does anyone know the state of the voice modules in OS?
2016-01-10 20:40 <Plugh> My machines used to cost me $3,000 but when I updated from the PII to the C2D I only had to pay about half that.
2016-01-10 20:40 <nebadon_> but they also wouldnt let me order a second identical machine
2016-01-10 20:40 <nebadon_> so we were forced to get the next model up
2016-01-10 20:40 <TomTheDragon> yeah, my computer was sub $1000 about 3 or 4 years ago
2016-01-10 20:40 <nebadon_> newegg has a limit 1 per customer rule
2016-01-10 20:40 <nebadon_> and i didnt have time to argue
2016-01-10 20:41 <Plugh> Only 1 per customer rule I've run into has been when trying to order a Pi Zero.
2016-01-10 20:41 <nebadon_> yea
2016-01-10 20:41 <nebadon_> its becasue newegg has stuff so cheap
2016-01-10 20:41 <nebadon_> their competitors buy from newegg and resell otherwise
2016-01-10 20:41 <Plugh> nebadon: Such a hardship to have had to get a better machine because you couldn't order two of the same. ;)
2016-01-10 20:41 <nebadon_> the 1400$ laptop i originaly ordered
2016-01-10 20:41 <nebadon_> was 2200$ on amazon
2016-01-10 20:42 <nebadon_> hence the limit 1 per customer rule :)
2016-01-10 20:42 <Plugh> Put through 2 different orders?
2016-01-10 20:42 <nebadon_> well ya its nice, but when you are a partner in a company
2016-01-10 20:42 <nebadon_> those kind of things are bitter sweet :)
2016-01-10 20:42 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-01-10 20:43 <nebadon_> the nice part about this machine
2016-01-10 20:43 <nebadon_> is all the parts from my old machine are compatible
2016-01-10 20:43 <nebadon_> now i have a second power supply, was able to use ram
2016-01-10 20:43 <nebadon_> maxed the machine out basically with parts from old dead one
2016-01-10 20:43 <Plugh> nice.
2016-01-10 20:43 <nebadon_> bumped up to 32gb ram
2016-01-10 20:43 <nebadon_> i was able to pull the SSD out and put into a USB housing
2016-01-10 20:44 <nebadon_> so i have an external 256gb SSD to run opensuse from on new machien
2016-01-10 20:44 <nebadon_> i hve an extra 16gb ram im bringing to sweden to install in one of other employees laptop
2016-01-10 20:44 <nebadon_> making good use of the dead machine :)
2016-01-10 20:45 <nebadon_> organ donor :)
2016-01-10 20:45 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-01-10 20:46 <Plugh> I better get going. It was raining earlier and it apparently stopped. Now it has started again. Since the weather applet shows me weather we sometimes get an hour or two later I better go before it starts up again here.
2016-01-10 20:46 <nebadon_> kk catch you later
2016-01-10 20:47 <TomTheDragon> 
ACTION is maxed out at 16gb

2016-01-10 20:48 <nebadon_> for most gaming stuff you would never need more than 16gb
2016-01-10 20:48 <nebadon_> i need more for blender
2016-01-10 20:49 <AliciaRaven> i only have 16, i want more :( lol bet i can beat u on storage tho lol
2016-01-10 20:50 <nebadon_> depends on if you count cold storage too :)
2016-01-10 20:50 <nebadon_> i have about 24tb in loose hard drives i only plug in when needed :)
2016-01-10 20:51 <TomTheDragon> 
ACTION really needs to learn how to work with blender better

2016-01-10 20:51 <AliciaRaven> heh sounds like a match then, i have a NAS with 8 hard drives, i think its 24 tb
2016-01-10 20:51 <nebadon_> i dont like to keep them running constantly
2016-01-10 20:51 <nebadon_> i have a USB SATA dock
2016-01-10 20:51 <nebadon_> i can slide a raw drive into and read it
2016-01-10 20:51 <nebadon_> holds 2 drives actually
2016-01-10 20:51 <nebadon_> drives last a lot longer
2016-01-10 20:51 <AliciaRaven> my nas runs linux and when its on it sounds like a hover craft sitting next to my desk
2016-01-10 20:52 <nebadon_> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1DS1MD6069&cm_re=orico_usb_sata_3.0_clone-_-9SIA1DS1MD6069-_-Product
2016-01-10 20:52 <nebadon_> drives get stored in these > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1DS3H65347&cm_re=orico_plastic_storage-_-9SIA1DS3H65347-_-Product
2016-01-10 20:53 <nebadon_> yes the sound level and heat
2016-01-10 20:53 <nebadon_> is one reason i dont like NAS
2016-01-10 20:53 <nebadon_> really depends on if you need constant access
2016-01-10 20:53 <AliciaRaven> i only turn it on when i need it tho so im ok
2016-01-10 20:53 <nebadon_> mine are mostly 2nd and 3rd copies
2016-01-10 20:53 <nebadon_> of my local drives
2016-01-10 20:53 <nebadon_> im paranoid :)
2016-01-10 20:53 <TomTheDragon> good
2016-01-10 20:53 <nebadon_> tons of Clonezilla images and stuff
2016-01-10 20:53 <nebadon_> raw video
2016-01-10 20:53 <nebadon_> stuff i need maybe once a year
2016-01-10 20:54 <AliciaRaven> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822107275&cm_re=QNAP_NAS-_-22-107-275-_-Product
2016-01-10 20:54 <AliciaRaven> yea raw video hd quality is why i got it
2016-01-10 20:54 <nebadon_> dang thats nice
2016-01-10 20:54 <AliciaRaven> thats a later model than mine but almost the same, both have 8 bays
2016-01-10 20:55 <AliciaRaven> works as a media server, web server etc
2016-01-10 20:55 <nebadon_> ya thats really nice looking
2016-01-10 20:56 <AliciaRaven> weighs as much as a small hippo lol
2016-01-10 20:56 <nebadon_> ya
2016-01-10 20:56 <nebadon_> once 4tb SSDs get really cheap
2016-01-10 20:56 <nebadon_> i'll consider a monster NAS
2016-01-10 20:56 <nebadon_> i suspect it wont be long
2016-01-10 20:56 <nebadon_> next year or two
2016-01-10 20:56 <nebadon_> we will start seeing like 10tb SSDs
2016-01-10 20:56 <nebadon_> single drive
2016-01-10 20:56 <AliciaRaven> SSD would be nice
2016-01-10 20:57 <nebadon_> http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/27/toshiba-intel-3d-nand-chips/
2016-01-10 20:58 <AliciaRaven> nand and chips, sounds like spicy friend chicken
2016-01-10 20:58 <nebadon_> lol
2016-01-10 20:59 <nebadon_> this is the device i got so i could use the 2x128 m.2 ssds from old laptop
2016-01-10 20:59 <nebadon_> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124084&cm_re=syba_m.2_raid-_-16-124-084-_-Product
2016-01-10 21:00 <nebadon_> image having 8 of these with 2x3.5TB m.2 SSDs
2016-01-10 21:00 <nebadon_> you could mirror each drive internally then stripe all 8
2016-01-10 21:00 <nebadon_> be expensive, but amazing :)
2016-01-10 21:01 <AliciaRaven> nice
2016-01-10 23:18 <Plugh> man it takes ages writing to a microSD card.
2016-01-10 23:26 <osmantis> Bug #7804:04 DllNotFoundException: lib64/libode-x86_64 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7804 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-01-10 23:47 <nebadon_> Depends on the card Plugh :)
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2016-01-11 00:13 <Plugh> nebadon_: Class 10 device and the writing to it is at 297kB/s.
2016-01-11 00:21 <Plugh> hehe -> Running libgc/autogen.sh ...
2016-01-11 00:21 <Plugh> ./autogen.sh: line 153: ./autogen.sh: No such file or directory
2016-01-11 00:23 <Plugh> sounded odd at first. :)
2016-01-11 00:26 <Plugh> nebadon_: I tried two build two different branches of mono 2.x from git and both failed complaining of a missing Makefile.in
2016-01-11 00:27 <Plugh> I downloaded and am building 3.12.1 now
2016-01-11 00:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #4586 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-01-11 00:45 <osmantis> Bug #7798:04 [BulletSim] land_collision not firing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7798 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-11 00:47 <osmantis> Bug #7779:04 llPushObject not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-11 00:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4586: SUCCESS in 5 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4586/
2016-01-11 00:49 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: tweaking so avatar can be pushed. In particular, llPushObject,
2016-01-11 00:49 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: fix Mantis 7798: land collisions not working.
2016-01-11 00:59 <Plugh> nebadon_: Success! It was the dang mono program. You can't use mono 4.2.1 with 080PF
2016-01-11 01:02 <nebadon_> yea that kind of makes sense
2016-01-11 01:03 <osmantis> Bug #7798:04 [BulletSim] land_collision not firing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7798 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-01-11 01:05 <Plugh> :P
2016-01-11 01:05 <misterblue> I've seen that problem just running on CentOS... some of the libraries can get old on that system
2016-01-11 01:05 <nebadon_> it was something we changed in opensim
2016-01-11 01:05 <Plugh> misterblue: Depends which libraries you are referring to.
2016-01-11 01:05 <nebadon_> that made it work again, i cant remember now though what
2016-01-11 01:06 <nebadon_> I tried looking through divas patches earlier but nothing was jumping out at me
2016-01-11 01:06 <nebadon_> actually
2016-01-11 01:06 <nebadon_> maybe it was dahlia who fixed it
2016-01-11 01:06 <nebadon_> i think im misremembering 
2016-01-11 01:06 <nebadon_> let me look again
2016-01-11 01:07 <Plugh> Now I can check searching for events in world.
2016-01-11 01:08 <misterblue> The problem I had with BulletSim was that the interface to glibc changed for memcpy in glibc 2.14
2016-01-11 01:08 <misterblue> turned out that CentOS was behind a version or two... therefore the dll just wouldn't load because the low level library didn't match
2016-01-11 01:09 <misterblue> I compiled BulletSim with the new glibc which was in every other distribution but not in CentOS
2016-01-11 01:10 <misterblue> it took a while to find because it is hard to find the name of the actual dependent library that won't load
2016-01-11 01:10 <nebadon_> maybe the fix was done in a branch
2016-01-11 01:10 <nebadon_> looking over the viewgit log for dahlia nothing jumping out at me
2016-01-11 01:11 <misterblue> that's why BulletSim C++ code has its own implmetnation of memcpy :-O
2016-01-11 01:11 <Plugh> I don't really care right now. I'm just glad I can run 080PF once more. Now I can test the event issue I have been waning to check but have been able to do so for several weeks.
2016-01-11 01:20 <Plugh> s/have been/have not been/
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2016-01-11 03:36 <Plugh> I found a bug in Firestorm.
2016-01-11 03:41 <Velusuni> whats the bug Plugh 
2016-01-11 03:44 <Plugh> Seems Singularity picked up the same change/bug. It is no longer sending "u|0" in a dir_events_query packet when the grid map is opened for the first time.
2016-01-11 03:59 <Plugh> Now that I know what the viewers are doing I've worked around the bug. I'm getting event markers to show on the grid map once more.
2016-01-11 06:21 <Joshhau5> Hey, I was wondering if it was worth making Triangle data publicly visible inside of Mesh.cs in a future release? 
2016-01-11 06:24 <Joshhau5> or at least make then protected instead of private?
2016-01-11 09:28 <osmantis> Bug #7803:04 Sometimes neighbors not propagated 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7803 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-11 09:30 <TomTheDragon> Could this be a network issue: I can drive around, cross sims, etc. When another user joins in also in the LAN, there seems to be a loss of presence for one of us very quickly.
2016-01-11 09:31 <TomTheDragon> I don't see any logging info about agents getting logged out.
2016-01-11 09:56 <TomTheDragon> Anyone around who knows what fields are missing in PGSQL?
2016-01-11 09:57 <TomTheDragon> the creatorid should be 128, for one
2016-01-11 11:23 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-11 12:02 <osmantis> Bug #7779:04 llPushObject not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-01-11 14:47 <osmantis> Bug #7167:04 [BulletSim] : llSetKeyframedMotion no 100% working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7167 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-11 16:28 <osmantis> Bug #7779:04 llPushObject not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-11 16:37 <osmantis> Bug #7768:04 llCollisionSound function does not work in current release V0.9.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7768 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-11 16:45 <osmantis> Bug #5391:04 Login location noit correct as selected on viewer login screen 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-11 16:46 <osmantis> Bug #5391:04 Login location noit correct as selected on viewer login screen 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5391 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-01-11 16:47 <osmantis> Bug #5391:04 Login location noit correct as selected on viewer login screen 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5391 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-01-11 17:00 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-11 23:17 <TomTheDragon> I've been trying to fix up inconsistencies/missing fields in PGSQL
2016-01-11 23:28 <velusunivers-sys> nice one thom
2016-01-11 23:28 <velusunivers-sys> TomTheDragon, 
2016-01-11 23:29 <velusunivers-sys> so TomTheDragon are you a c# programmer
2016-01-11 23:30 <TomTheDragon> velusunivers-sys: not that big on C#, but, it's close enough to C
2016-01-11 23:32 <velusunivers-sys> nice nice, and how well do you know the opensim code?
2016-01-11 23:33 <TomTheDragon> just starting with it to be honest
2016-01-11 23:35 <velusunivers-sys> ok nice, im looking for someone to help me with a project. 
2016-01-11 23:35 <velusunivers-sys> brb
2016-01-11 23:37 <velusunivers-sys> bck
2016-01-11 23:37 <velusunivers-sys> can i pm you TomTheDragon 
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2016-01-12 04:19 <TomTheDragon> How useful is fsassets? I've got it apparently functional under postgres.
2016-01-12 04:44 <Melanie_T> fsassets is a hard requirement if you intend to have 80GB or more of assets over the lifetime of your server
2016-01-12 04:44 <Melanie_T> note, LIFETIME
2016-01-12 04:44 <Melanie_T> as assets cannot be deleted
2016-01-12 05:03 <TomTheDragon> Melanie_T: Thanks for the answer, I apologize for being away.
2016-01-12 05:15 <TomTheDragon> It appears AgentPrefs needs some work too. Is that a critical table?
2016-01-12 05:20 <TomTheDragon> Rather, it's broken in PGSQL. It also appears to be missing a method in MySQL as well.
2016-01-12 06:11 <osmantis> Bug #7779:04 llPushObject not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-01-12 13:38 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-12 13:40 <TomTheDragon> Anyone actually know what the HoverHeight AgentPref refers to?
2016-01-12 15:42 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-12 15:50 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-12 15:53 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-12 15:54 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-12 15:55 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-12 15:59 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-01-12 18:17 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-12 18:46 <TomTheDragon> For some reason user presence is overwriting itself.
2016-01-12 18:46 <TomTheDragon> I can report this as a bug, can about guarantee it's related to the other PGSQL issues
2016-01-12 18:50 <osmantis> Bug #7805:04 Record is replaced in Presence, PostgresSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7805 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-01-12 18:51 <osmantis> Bug #7805:04 Record is replaced in Presence, PostgresSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7805 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007610.
2016-01-12 18:51 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007805.
2016-01-12 19:00 <Melanie_T> TomTheDragon: I believe presence updating may use "replace into" syntax
2016-01-12 19:00 <Melanie_T> for that to function the table needs to be defined with UserID as a unique constraint or as the primary key
2016-01-12 19:00 <Melanie_T> if it's not, replace into will show the behavior you're seeing
2016-01-12 19:00 <TomTheDragon> Melanie_T: it appears to be set with unique index
2016-01-12 19:01 <TomTheDragon> Melanie_T: i also thought replace into was not supported in PGSQL
2016-01-12 19:01 <Melanie_T> maybe it's done differently in psql then and that code is buggy
2016-01-12 19:01 <TomTheDragon> I'm taking a look at it
2016-01-12 19:02 <TomTheDragon> I've wrote some preliminary FSAssetCache stuff for PGSQL and testing, using the original as a framework (so it doesn't use generic table handler stuff)
2016-01-12 19:03 <TomTheDragon> anyway, I got to head back to work, will hopefully get something done this afternoon
2016-01-12 19:19 <Plugh> Anyone know who is working on llCastRay?
2016-01-12 19:20 <Plugh> REPLACE INTO? Hm... I haven't seen that SQL command before.
2016-01-12 19:21 <Plugh> Ah, REPLACE is listed as a MySQL extension to the SQL standard.
2016-01-12 19:35 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-12 20:36 <Plugh> I think Wright Plaza in osgrid may need a restart. Its getting laggy for chat and trying to get logged back in there is taking quite a while.
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2016-01-13 00:43 <TomTheDragon> Melanie_T: I've gotten presence functional, in the default table handler. I do know that it works for agentprefs and presence. However, I need to make sure I haven't broke other things.
2016-01-13 00:53 <TomTheDragon> hmm, fsassets isn't getting populated at all. it appeared to be functioning.
2016-01-13 02:54 <TomTheDragon> Does anyone know of a convenient way to attach a patch, I realized I hadn't quite finished and had already committed, so I'd get two patches.
2016-01-13 02:54 <TomTheDragon> rather, how to condense it into a single patch
2016-01-13 02:59 <Plugh> Use a stapler? ;)
2016-01-13 02:59 <Plugh> attach it to what?
2016-01-13 03:01 <Plugh> Do a diff between the two parts of a source tree. Or use two directories with the code at the points where you want them to be in order to generate the diff.
2016-01-13 03:01 <Plugh> If you are using git and haven't pushed a set of changes you can ammend your commits.
2016-01-13 03:05 <Plugh> You could 'git format-patch -2' roll back two commits, manually apply each patch using patch instead of 'git am'. You can then commit that and generate one patch with both sets of changes.
2016-01-13 03:05 <TomTheDragon> Plugh: I just wanted to attach a patch to Mantis, and there was something about having it in the format-patch format
2016-01-13 03:05 <Plugh> You should also only combine patches if they are related to the same set of changes, or because you missed something.
2016-01-13 03:06 <TomTheDragon> there are some unrelated things, which are not necessary. that means I may have a tougher time :P
2016-01-13 03:06 <Plugh> yes, that makes it easier to apply the patch, keep the change log entry, and give credit to the person who made the change.
2016-01-13 03:06 <Plugh> If the patches aren't related to a single bug, they shouldn't be combined. 
2016-01-13 03:08 <Plugh> The bug tracking system will have a way to attach files. Good to use instead of pasting long bits of text in the body of a report or for things like patches.
2016-01-13 03:10 <TomTheDragon> Right, I submitted a minor patch a few days ago. And the changes I've worked on related to several bugs and a feature, and I didn't really do my versioning right.
2016-01-13 03:11 <TomTheDragon> Perhaps best to checkout a previous revision, and merge stuff back in?
2016-01-13 03:11 <Plugh> yes, that would be better. One issue, one patch.
2016-01-13 03:24 <TomTheDragon> Plugh: also, I almost forgot. What files need to be modified to include resources and sources, in the build system?
2016-01-13 03:27 <Plugh> Not sure. prebuild.xml or OpenSim.sln perhaps? That's not something I've had to really deal with yet in what little C# programming I've done.
2016-01-13 03:27 <TomTheDragon> ah, thanks
2016-01-13 03:27 <Plugh> yw
2016-01-13 03:29 <Plugh> I need to work out how to create a branch a couple of commits back so I can commit a change for the branch and separately to master.
2016-01-13 04:02 <osmantis> Bug #7805:04 Record is replaced in Presence, PostgresSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7805 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-13 04:03 <osmantis> Bug #7805:04 Record is replaced in Presence, PostgresSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7805 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-01-13 04:06 <Rodger> .
2016-01-13 04:07 <Rodger> i am unable to upload mesh i get missing convex block error
2016-01-13 04:07 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-13 04:07 <Rodger> what does that mean
2016-01-13 04:08 <TomTheDragon> in OpenSim? what viewer?
2016-01-13 04:08 <Rodger> firestorm
2016-01-13 04:08 <Rodger> opensim latest dev
2016-01-13 04:08 <TomTheDragon> I've not had any problems importing with Singularity
2016-01-13 04:09 <Rodger> same here never had that issue before today
2016-01-13 04:09 <Rodger> what is convex block?
2016-01-13 04:12 <TomTheDragon> I'm not really sure. Did you just start getting it after a recent commit?
2016-01-13 04:15 <Rodger> i dont rember
2016-01-13 04:16 <Rodger> i keep getting that error but not on all mesh
2016-01-13 04:19 <osmantis> Bug #7806:04 Filesystem asset store not implemented in PostgreSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7806 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-01-13 04:20 <osmantis> Bug #7806:04 Filesystem asset store not implemented in PostgreSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7806 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-01-13 04:37 <osmantis> Bug #7807:04 Hypergrid asset issues in PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7807 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-01-13 04:37 <osmantis> Bug #7807:04 Hypergrid asset issues in PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7807 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-01-13 04:46 <osmantis> Bug #7808:04 Some missing fields in PostgreSQL Region Data 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7808 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-01-13 04:46 <osmantis> Bug #7808:04 Some missing fields in PostgreSQL Region Data 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7808 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-01-13 04:56 <TomTheDragon> I'm probably going to be super busy for the next week or two, so best to get these out there.
2016-01-13 06:40 <TomTheDragon> Plugh: I've successfully did what you mentioned, and split all these up
2016-01-13 06:40 <Plugh> ok, good.
2016-01-13 06:41 <TomTheDragon> 
ACTION isn't sure what the gatekeeper is for, in "picks"

2016-01-13 06:42 <TomTheDragon> I wasn't able to come up with an issue for it
2016-01-13 07:29 <Plugh> Time for bed.
2016-01-13 07:58 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-13 09:26 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-13 18:18 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-13 19:11 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-01-13 19:14 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-13 19:36 <osmantis> Bug #7809:04 show regions console command on Robust.exe no longer works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7809 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-01-13 19:37 <osmantis> Bug #7809:04 show regions console command on Robust.exe no longer works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7809 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-01-13 19:40 <osmantis> Bug #7809:04 show regions console command on Robust.exe no longer works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7809 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-01-13 23:42 <TomTheDragon> danbanner: I finally resolved my presence issues I'd been having in OpenSim
2016-01-13 23:42 <TomTheDragon> turns out, PGSQL was broken
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2016-01-14 00:31 <Plugh> TomTheDragon: How was it broken?
2016-01-14 00:33 <TomTheDragon> Plugh: presence was broken because only one row was ever getting created
2016-01-14 00:41 <Plugh> Certainly won't work like that unless you only ever have one person online at a time. :)
2016-01-14 00:43 <TomTheDragon> yeah, very much so
2016-01-14 00:43 <Plugh> I read your original comment as saying the PGSQL engine was broken.
2016-01-14 00:44 <TomTheDragon> no, no, it's the OpenSim DB code
2016-01-14 00:48 <TomTheDragon> Plugh: I've had some other issues after one of my changes, but need to run a test against master to see if the same things pop up
2016-01-14 00:53 <TomTheDragon> Plugh: yep, same issues. "Can't find inventory item *** for Skin, setting to default"
2016-01-14 01:01 <osmantis> Bug #7806:04 Filesystem asset store not implemented in PostgreSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7806 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-14 02:57 <TomTheDragon> Me and a friend were running around with crazy fast vehicles in varregions, I think my fixes may be stable.
2016-01-14 03:00 <TomTheDragon> Now I just need to go get that Tron Motorcycle from OSGrid which initially triggered the CHAR(36) limit in asset database.
2016-01-14 03:19 <AllenKerensky> ls
2016-01-14 03:55 <osmantis> Bug #7806:04 Filesystem asset store not implemented in PostgreSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7806 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-14 04:27 <TomTheDragon> I've had some bad asset retrievals from my ventures into OSGrid. Either name or description was too long. http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7806
2016-01-14 04:32 <AliciaRaven> TomTheDragon, asset name and description are never used, they are a throw back from older versions and have not been removed because it would cause down time for existing grids to change the table
2016-01-14 04:33 <TomTheDragon> AliciaRaven: ah, that's very useful information to know
2016-01-14 04:33 <TomTheDragon> however, it appears that it prevented the row itself from going in
2016-01-14 04:35 <TomTheDragon> AliciaRaven: Should I simply alter my code to throw away the data and return empty strings?
2016-01-14 04:36 <AliciaRaven> could do, the only name and description that are important are the ones in inventory tables
2016-01-14 04:39 <TomTheDragon> AliciaRaven: My changed to TEXT worked just fine, but might waste space.
2016-01-14 04:40 <TomTheDragon> AliciaRaven: also, here's something odd. Every time I do hypergrid travel and come back home and rez things I've obtained... I get lots of "fallback" messages from FSAssets
2016-01-14 04:40 <TomTheDragon> I do not know if this is my own code (PGSQL FSAssets) or something else
2016-01-14 04:41 <AliciaRaven> fallback is when it cant find an asset so tries to look for it on the standard service (if set up)
2016-01-14 04:41 <AliciaRaven> TomTheDragon, http://opensimulator.org/wiki/FSAssets_Service
2016-01-14 04:43 <AliciaRaven> i have to go for awhile, good luck with pgsql, serious lack of support in that area as im sure u have found out
2016-01-14 04:43 <TomTheDragon> AliciaRaven: thanks! the last bit is important, I can't believe I implemented the thing without even seeing that
2016-01-14 05:57 <TomTheDragon> Having some issues with FSAssets. Now, everything I obtain in hypergrid, the items can't be rezzed due to an XML error. I'm going to look in one of those files and see what's going on
2016-01-14 22:41 <osmantis> Bug #7810:04 llCastRay V3 detects phantom objects when asked not to. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7810 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-01-14 23:15 <TomTheDragon> AliciaRaven: I've been having some issues with HGFSAssetServer. I've got fallback disabled so it doesn't mask problems.
2016-01-14 23:15 <TomTheDragon> eabca094-5e65-486b-a6af-d1049c2a3848, hash ED86C653A992385FEA6474FF4CD7B3D8E0ED1DD0533A7A96774DCFF39BB0C73E not found in filesystem
2016-01-14 23:15 <TomTheDragon> I went to Lbsa Plaza, grabbed an item, and first time I tried to rez it that's what happened
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2016-01-14 23:20 <TomTheDragon> Another funny thing, I get no more of these errors, but still can't rez the object.
2016-01-14 23:22 <TomTheDragon> Ah, asset cache ;)
2016-01-14 23:23 <Plugh> Caches are nice to have until they aren't.
2016-01-14 23:26 <TomTheDragon> Plugh: yep
2016-01-14 23:26 <Plugh> bbl. Dinner time.
2016-01-14 23:26 <TomTheDragon> Plugh: I think I've found it, appears to be a braino in FSAssetService.cs
2016-01-14 23:33 <osmantis> Bug #7811:04 Filesystem asset store not loading from filesystem at all. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7811 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-01-14 23:36 <AliciaRaven> TomTheDragon, my grid uses fsassets and there are no problems loading assets, unless the 0.9 code has broke something
2016-01-14 23:37 <AliciaRaven> when u added the HGFSAsset connector, did u remember to remove the default one, HGAsset connector?
2016-01-14 23:42 <TomTheDragon> AliciaRaven: I just replaced it
2016-01-14 23:42 <TomTheDragon> AliciaRaven: I certainly don't see how it's looking up things in the Filesystem when it's in that split paths format
2016-01-14 23:43 <TomTheDragon> check the GetFSData function in FSAssetService.cs, and it certainly does appear to be looking for a flat hierarchy
2016-01-14 23:44 <osmantis> Bug #7811:04 Filesystem asset store not loading from filesystem at all. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7811 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-14 23:46 <AliciaRaven> GetFs data is reading from the spool directory which is the temp directory it uses to save the asset before its hashed and compressed
2016-01-14 23:47 <AliciaRaven> the line string file = HashToFile(hash); gets the file path from the hash and addes it to the base path
2016-01-14 23:48 <TomTheDragon> AliciaRaven: I see that method, which is used in AssetExists
2016-01-14 23:49 <AliciaRaven> it just returns the file path, its used all over
2016-01-14 23:49 <TomTheDragon> but AssetBase Get(string id, out hash) appears to use GetFSData
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2016-01-14 23:49 <TomTheDragon> hmm, that does use HashToFile, I see
2016-01-14 23:50 <TomTheDragon> I still can't see how db code could be affecting this, if it finds the hash allright, and I can open the file itself
2016-01-14 23:51 <AliciaRaven> it first looks in the spool directory, if not found it continues to check main asset store
2016-01-14 23:52 <TomTheDragon> AliciaRaven: I see the logic in it, however I also see an odd thing.
2016-01-14 23:53 <AliciaRaven> i havnt got time to pull the latest code and see if its changed, but id be suprised if its the fs assets code as thats from avination grid
2016-01-14 23:53 <TomTheDragon> it calls string file = HashToFile(diskFile) and does not seem to ever use "file"
2016-01-14 23:53 <AliciaRaven> right under that line is .. string diskFile = Path.Combine(m_FSBase, file);
2016-01-14 23:53 <AliciaRaven> wait where are u looking
2016-01-14 23:53 <TomTheDragon> hmm, my mistake. will have to do some logging to see what's going on
2016-01-14 23:54 <AliciaRaven> in GetFsData i see..
2016-01-14 23:54 <AliciaRaven> string file = HashToFile(hash);
2016-01-14 23:54 <AliciaRaven>             string diskFile = Path.Combine(m_FSBase, file);
2016-01-14 23:54 <TomTheDragon> yes, I see that now
2016-01-14 23:54 <TomTheDragon> I see my hash just fine, which is very strange.
2016-01-14 23:54 <TomTheDragon> I can look into it, I'm just afraid it might have broken, which would be very bad
2016-01-14 23:58 <AliciaRaven> TomTheDragon, this code is also run by osgrid and they are on the latest or close to version, i think the issue must be pgsql side
2016-01-14 23:59 <TomTheDragon> Would not surprise me if it was, but I did some more logging and the filename it's looking for is correct. It's likely a config issue on my end, or something.
2016-01-15 00:02 <TomTheDragon> I will add some logging to swallowed exceptions.
2016-01-15 00:07 <Melanie_T> osg os on a later than latest version :)
2016-01-15 00:07 <Melanie_T> it has changes that haven't made it to master yet
2016-01-15 00:07 <Melanie_T> but as the tests have been all good that can happen
2016-01-15 00:08 <Melanie_T> mainly the OSGrid data connector now employs the using pattern throughout and doesn't reuse connections
2016-01-15 00:08 <TomTheDragon> Ah, I see.
2016-01-15 00:08 <Melanie_T> the file system part is now able to deal with trying to make a directory when there is a file of the same name already, or a file when there is a directory of the same name
2016-01-15 00:09 <Melanie_T> this can happen when fsck corrects errors
2016-01-15 00:09 <Melanie_T> it sometimes makes files from dirs and vice verse
2016-01-15 00:09 <TomTheDragon> Ah, I see.
2016-01-15 00:09 <Melanie_T> the current fsassets in master chokes on it
2016-01-15 00:09 <TomTheDragon> Hopefully this will actually get in ;)
2016-01-15 00:09 <Melanie_T> which is why we have called these filesystem fsck artefacts "chicken bones"
2016-01-15 00:09 <TomTheDragon> Looking for file: ./fsassets/data/ED8/6C6/ED86C653A992385FEA6474FF4CD7B3D8E0ED1DD0533A7A96774DCFF39BB0C73E.gz
2016-01-15 00:10 <Melanie_T> .?????
2016-01-15 00:10 <TomTheDragon> I verified that the file is indeed there.
2016-01-15 00:10 <Melanie_T> NEVER configure a relative path!
2016-01-15 00:10 <Melanie_T> should maybe put that in the docs
2016-01-15 00:10 <Melanie_T> the path MUST be absolute
2016-01-15 00:10 <TomTheDragon> oh, yikes
2016-01-15 00:10 <TomTheDragon> yeah, I think that should probably be documented then :P
2016-01-15 00:10 <TomTheDragon> I should have figured that out
2016-01-15 00:11 <Melanie_T> well, relative makes no sense in the avination ecosystem
2016-01-15 00:11 <Melanie_T> in the avination servers cwd != bin != ~
2016-01-15 00:12 <TomTheDragon> ah, that makes sense
2016-01-15 00:12 <Melanie_T> the cwd for servers in a typical avination box is /home/grid/services/asssets
2016-01-15 00:12 <Melanie_T> the bin is /home/grid/bin-cm7-2
2016-01-15 00:12 <Melanie_T> and the data is in /data/assets/data
2016-01-15 00:12 <Melanie_T> so it's never been designed to run from bin and assume bin is cwd
2016-01-15 00:13 <Melanie_T> or that bin = ~/bin
2016-01-15 00:13 <TomTheDragon> aha
2016-01-15 00:13 <TomTheDragon> thanks. that's probably a good layout, to be honest
2016-01-15 00:13 <TomTheDragon> I should just go ahead and mark that "bug" resolved then?
2016-01-15 00:13 <Melanie_T> avination uses one set of shared binaries for all services and sims
2016-01-15 00:14 <TomTheDragon> yeah
2016-01-15 00:14 <Melanie_T> instead of, what most grids do, copying bin once for each process they run
2016-01-15 00:19 <TomTheDragon> not exactly working, but failing inside my own code which I'll work out
2016-01-15 00:19 <Melanie_T> :)
2016-01-15 00:19 <Melanie_T> i don't really know about pgsql as it is today
2016-01-15 00:20 <Melanie_T> i know it's been years since i tried to use it
2016-01-15 00:20 <Melanie_T> and maybe the shortcomings have been fixed by now
2016-01-15 00:20 <Melanie_T> but back then adding users had to be done in a text file, you could not just use grant
2016-01-15 00:20 <TomTheDragon> well, with one tiny patch it's easy enough to fix the presence bug.
2016-01-15 00:20 <Melanie_T> and it had no useful replication
2016-01-15 00:20 <TomTheDragon> ah
2016-01-15 00:21 <TomTheDragon> apparently there's some new replication stuff in 9.0
2016-01-15 00:21 <Melanie_T> and i find the process name, postmaster, irritating, because postmaster is an email address, not a database
2016-01-15 00:21 <TomTheDragon> postmaster?
2016-01-15 00:22 <TomTheDragon> process seems to run as postgres
2016-01-15 00:22 <Melanie_T> the master process of pgsql in linux was named postmaster
2016-01-15 00:22 <Melanie_T> portgres is the user
2016-01-15 00:24 <TomTheDragon> that appears to have changed
2016-01-15 00:29 <TomTheDragon> Melanie_T: I think I figured it out. My table is defined as CHAR(80) for hash, and PGSQL apparently wants to return the whole thing. That makes sense.
2016-01-15 00:30 <TomTheDragon> So yes, my own code, but is that really the right datatype?
2016-01-15 00:31 <TomTheDragon> I'd like to keep my own code as close to the MySQL changes.
2016-01-15 00:38 <osmantis> Bug #7811:04 Filesystem asset store not loading from filesystem at all. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7811 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-01-15 00:48 <osmantis> Bug #7812:04 llCastRay V3 incorrectly gets a hit when start location is inside a sphere 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7812 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-01-15 01:33 <TomTheDragon> I've resolved the issues with my asset store, if anyone wants to give it a more thorough test.
2016-01-15 02:02 <osmantis> Bug #7806:04 Filesystem asset store not implemented in PostgreSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7806 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-15 06:55 <TomTheDragon> Plugh: I've resolved my issues, turned out it was a braino on my part. A char(80) field is too big for a sha512.
2016-01-15 07:04 <TomTheDragon> And postgres returns the whole thing, whitespace included.
2016-01-15 07:19 <Plugh> Including whitespace? That seems a bit like a bug. Glad you figured it out.
2016-01-15 07:28 <TomTheDragon> Plugh: well, it's a bug in my new code.
2016-01-15 07:31 <TomTheDragon> Plugh: i.e. nothing is wrong with master
2016-01-15 07:37 <Plugh> It sounded like you were indicating there is a problem with postgres if it was returning more than expected.
2016-01-15 07:42 <TomTheDragon> Plugh: no, that's often expected behavior of a database, returning a fixed-length string for fixed-length columns
2016-01-15 07:44 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-01-15 07:44 <Plugh> Its late. Time for bed. Night, TomTheDragon
2016-01-15 10:54 <osmantis> Bug #7813:04 Bulletsim regions... avatar movement continues to drift slowly forward or backward on level ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7813 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-01-15 10:55 <osmantis> Bug #7779:04 llPushObject not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-15 15:42 <osmantis> Bug #7813:04 Bulletsim regions... avatar movement continues to drift slowly forward or backward on level ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-15 15:56 <osmantis> Bug #7813:04 Bulletsim regions... avatar movement continues to drift slowly forward or backward on level ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-15 16:08 <osmantis> Bug #7813:04 Bulletsim regions... avatar movement continues to drift slowly forward or backward on level ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-15 18:26 <linkedinyou> any advices using mumble or someone had used in in near time .. i see all exist are 3 years old
2016-01-15 19:01 <Melanie_T> linkedinyou: there have been two efforts on mumble so far, but noeither one ever published anything
2016-01-15 19:05 <linkedinyou> Melanie_T: it is urgent for me to use mumble as our country blocked all vivox services and secondlife voice blocked
2016-01-15 19:10 <TomTheDragon> I'm wondering if a Vivox clone is the best approach
2016-01-15 19:10 <linkedinyou> where is that can you please provide me a link?
2016-01-15 19:11 <TomTheDragon> Well, I don't think there is one.
2016-01-15 19:11 <linkedinyou> i am sure it will work better with it is opensim module
2016-01-15 19:11 <TomTheDragon> But, the mumble client isn't implemented either
2016-01-15 19:12 <linkedinyou> TomTheDragon: have you tried mumble?
2016-01-15 19:33 <TomTheDragon> FreeSwitch has some form of positional audio in conferences, found a config entry "auto-3d-position" or something. However, I am not sure what kind of support by the client it requires.
2016-01-15 19:34 <linkedinyou> i do not think they have spatial audio like mumble
2016-01-15 19:35 <linkedinyou> as i find in one of neb commits on net
2016-01-15 19:35 <TomTheDragon> there's like zero documentation on this
2016-01-15 20:35 <Melanie_T> i poked terry ford and he' popped out these two links
2016-01-15 20:36 <Melanie_T> https://bitbucket.org/cinderblocks/firestorm-mumble
2016-01-15 20:36 <Melanie_T> this is the code that is needed in the viewer, in this case FS
2016-01-15 20:36 <Melanie_T> http://www.digiworldz.com/Mumbler/cinderblocks-mumbler.zip
2016-01-15 20:36 <Melanie_T> this is the opensim module
2016-01-15 20:36 <Melanie_T> both parts will need work
2016-01-15 21:51 <TomTheDragon> Melanie_T: interesting, someone's maintained the mumble module?
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2016-01-16 07:03 <osmantis> Bug #7814:04 Setting a prim's color via script is sometimes slightly off 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7814 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-01-16 07:23 <osmantis> Bug #7814:04 Setting a prim's color via script is sometimes slightly off 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7814 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-01-16 09:28 <osmantis> Bug #7813:04 Bulletsim regions... avatar movement continues to drift slowly forward or backward on level ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-16 09:57 <linkedinyou> Melanie_T: Bunch of thanks this is more then helpful
2016-01-16 12:22 <osmantis> Bug #7814:04 Setting a prim's color via script is sometimes slightly off 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7814 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-01-16 17:34 <osmantis> Bug #7814:04 Setting a prim's color via script is sometimes slightly off 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7814 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-01-18 05:01 <osmantis> Bug #7766:04 Making Hypergrid Landmarks, and buying objects from Kitely to 0.9 code does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7766 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-01-18 14:41 <nebadon> misterblue ping
2016-01-18 14:41 <misterblue> pong
2016-01-18 14:41 <nebadon> does bulletsim have axis locking now?
2016-01-18 14:42 <nebadon> like can i have a prim be pushed or fall on just z?
2016-01-18 14:43 <nebadon> trying to come up with a clever way to set waypoints that isnt reliant on C# raycast
2016-01-18 14:43 <misterblue> it does the usual LSL locking and some extended locking (with ranges) using some extra physics* functions
2016-01-18 14:43 <nebadon> ok great
2016-01-18 14:44 <misterblue> the latter require the ExtendedPhysics module to be enabled
2016-01-18 14:44 <nebadon> we have the ability to create routes via our GIS data, but that doesnt have any of the prims and such
2016-01-18 14:44 <nebadon> so my thought was create a rough route with GIS data, then replay that rough route 2+m on z then drop a prim on Z until it hits something below and recorrd that 
2016-01-18 14:45 <misterblue> sounds fun... tours through virtual real worlds :)
2016-01-18 14:45 <nebadon> yea 
2016-01-18 14:45 <nebadon> mostly its for our traffic sims
2016-01-18 14:45 <nebadon> im tired of manually adjusting 1000s of waypoints
2016-01-18 14:45 <nebadon> lol
2016-01-18 14:45 <nebadon> not so fun when nothing is flat
2016-01-18 14:46 <misterblue> you need the height of your terrain mesh at that point?
2016-01-18 14:46 <nebadon> we are starting to dig into dispatcher now too
2016-01-18 14:46 <nebadon> no the prims above the mesh terrain
2016-01-18 14:46 <nebadon> since our external tools dont have the prims and other mesh
2016-01-18 14:47 <nebadon> its just the GIS ground data only
2016-01-18 14:47 <nebadon> but its super easy to generate routes with it
2016-01-18 14:47 <misterblue> so, what your really need is BulletSim to have raycast
2016-01-18 14:47 <nebadon> yes
2016-01-18 14:47 <nebadon> lol
2016-01-18 14:47 <nebadon> that would ultimately be the best
2016-01-18 14:47 <nebadon> this is stop gap until then
2016-01-18 14:50 <misterblue> the simulator doesn't shut down if there are outstanding friend presence requests... the http system in the simulator is the pits
2016-01-18 14:59 <nebadon> yea
2016-01-18 14:59 <nebadon> could stand a refactor, probably wont be so easy though
2016-01-18 15:06 <osmantis> Bug #7813:04 Bulletsim regions... avatar movement continues to drift slowly forward or backward on level ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-18 15:07 <nebadon> nice
2016-01-18 15:09 <misterblue> the 'add force' interfaces have gotten confused over the years... sometimes the force is a real force to add, sometimes it has mass included, sometimes parameter units are different for avatars vs objects... could really use a refactor
2016-01-18 15:09 <misterblue> but, in the short term, it is bandaids on top of bandaids
2016-01-18 15:10 <misterblue> so much code... so little time
2016-01-18 15:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #4587 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-01-18 15:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4587: SUCCESS in 15 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4587/
2016-01-18 15:21 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Code cleanup to terse update sending as given in a patch in Mantis 7813.
2016-01-18 15:21 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: revert avatar stationary testing for having slight velocity.
2016-01-18 15:21 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: change method signatures for internal AddForce methods to remove
2016-01-18 16:12 <yooman_> is anybody here?
2016-01-18 16:13 <misterblue> we're all virtually here
2016-01-18 16:16 <osmantis> Bug #7813:04 Bulletsim regions... avatar movement continues to drift slowly forward or backward on level ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-18 16:18 <yooman_> can anyone help me with lsl?
2016-01-18 16:25 <osmantis> Bug #7813:04 Bulletsim regions... avatar movement continues to drift slowly forward or backward on level ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-18 16:59 <Plugh> The answer would have been yes if the person had stayed for more than 5 minutes
2016-01-18 18:08 <TomTheDragon> i'm having those avatar drift things right now
2016-01-18 18:08 <misterblue> I found the problem... will have a fix checked in soon
2016-01-18 18:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #4588 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-01-18 18:54 <osmantis> Bug #7779:04 llPushObject not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-18 18:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4588: SUCCESS in 5 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4588/
2016-01-18 18:56 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: fix problem of not zeroing motion when stationary (drift problem from
2016-01-18 18:56 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: add stationary suppression on AddForce application. This enables
2016-01-18 19:04 <osmantis> Bug #7813:04 Bulletsim regions... avatar movement continues to drift slowly forward or backward on level ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-18 19:17 <osmantis> Bug #7813:04 Bulletsim regions... avatar movement continues to drift slowly forward or backward on level ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-18 20:02 <osmantis> Bug #7813:04 Bulletsim regions... avatar movement continues to drift slowly forward or backward on level ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-18 20:10 <osmantis> Bug #7813:04 Bulletsim regions... avatar movement continues to drift slowly forward or backward on level ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-18 21:00 <osmantis> Bug #7813:04 Bulletsim regions... avatar movement continues to drift slowly forward or backward on level ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-18 21:12 <osmantis> Bug #7813:04 Bulletsim regions... avatar movement continues to drift slowly forward or backward on level ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-18 21:24 <osmantis> Bug #7813:04 Bulletsim regions... avatar movement continues to drift slowly forward or backward on level ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-18 21:47 <osmantis> Bug #7813:04 Bulletsim regions... avatar movement continues to drift slowly forward or backward on level ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-18 23:23 <osmantis> Bug #7779:04 llPushObject not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-18 23:27 <osmantis> Bug #7779:04 llPushObject not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-18 23:29 <osmantis> Bug #7768:04 llCollisionSound function does not work in current release V0.9.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7768 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-01-19 01:07 <Joshhua5> Is the Meshmerizer thread safe?
2016-01-19 03:00 <osmantis> Bug #7813:04 Bulletsim regions... avatar movement continues to drift slowly forward or backward on level ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-01-19 19:07 <Plugh> nebadon, Time for the weekly meeting in osgrid, if you are available.
2016-01-19 19:45 <osmantis> Bug #7815:04 llCastRay V1 runs VERY SLOW on var regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7815 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2016-01-20 03:12 <osmantis> Bug #7816:04 Patch of DynamicTexture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7816 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-01-20 06:18 <osmantis> Bug #7768:04 llCollisionSound function does not work in current release V0.9.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7768 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-20 06:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #4589 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-01-20 06:27 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: make collision sounds work most of the time. Seems that collisions
2016-01-20 11:09 <osmantis> Bug #7816:04 Patch of DynamicTexture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7816 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-01-20 14:34 <osmantis> Bug #7813:04 Bulletsim regions... avatar movement continues to drift slowly forward or backward on level ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-20 14:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #4590 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-01-20 14:50 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: increase default value of AvatarStopZeroThreshold as this reduces
2016-01-20 15:06 <osmantis> Bug #7813:04 Bulletsim regions... avatar movement continues to drift slowly forward or backward on level ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-20 15:16 <osmantis> Bug #7813:04 Bulletsim regions... avatar movement continues to drift slowly forward or backward on level ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-20 19:20 <CrasherRob> When compiling scripts I'm getting the error "Compiler failed to produce the assembly. Output ''" This is happening on both Fedora 23 linux and Windows 7, and both are up to date. However, being up to date may actually be the problem as reverting opensim to the 9-14-15 version failed to fix the problem. Any ideas?
2016-01-20 19:21 <CrasherRob> (Only tried reverting to older version on Linux.)
2016-01-20 19:24 <CrasherRob> I also just updated to newest Firestorm viewer, but this message also appears during initialization and when using an older Singularity viewer.
2016-01-20 19:52 <CrasherRob> Now I can't reproduce this on Windows, it's probably a mono version issue... Using mono version 4.0.5 (Jan 4)
2016-01-20 19:53 <SethN> mono 4.2.1 is more stable than 4.0.5 for OpenSim it seems
2016-01-20 20:44 <nebadon> CrasherRob and SethN i would agree 4.0.5 is a wierd version to be running
2016-01-20 20:46 <SethN> I've still had the best luck with mono 3.2.8 so far though
2016-01-20 20:47 <nebadon> also when switching between mono versions or to .net if you are moving the entire opensim folder, make sure you purge all the ScriptEngine dlls
2016-01-20 20:48 <nebadon> you will have all kinds of problems if you do not do this
2016-01-20 20:48 <nebadon> doesnt matter what version it is, if you compile dlls on different version expect pain
2016-01-20 23:14 <czwolf> To previous discussion - switched to  Mono 4.2.2 (Stable 4.2.2.29) from repos, seems to be ok at the moment.
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2016-01-21 19:14 <djphil> Hmmm, something broken with collsion and volume detect / prim phantom
2016-01-21 19:14 <djphil> Hello :)
2016-01-21 19:16 <djphil> I have to manually uncheck "phantom" else collision detection is not happening correctly
2016-01-21 19:18 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-21 20:07 <Melanie_T> djphil: a volume detect prim is NOT phantom
2016-01-21 20:07 <Melanie_T> it only acts like one
2016-01-21 20:08 <Melanie_T> if you make it phantom, it will not detect anything
2016-01-21 20:08 <Melanie_T> this is by design
2016-01-21 20:08 <djphil> ok but if i use the volume detect function that turn automaticly the prim to Phantom
2016-01-21 21:30 <Melanie_T> djphil: It shows it as phantom but it's not actually phantom. If this doesn't work right in 0.9.0, then we would need to take a look. it would be a regression because it works in avination
2016-01-21 21:34 <djphil> Melanie_T : I think it is not working properly. I always have to uncheck "phatom" that my collisions fonctionnet correctly.
2016-01-21 21:34 <djphil> And also you said it is not "really" phantom ... yet my avatar through the prim ...
2016-01-21 21:34 <djphil> working 01correctly01*
2016-01-21 22:17 <Melanie_T> djphil: being "really phantom" is when you manually set the phantom flag
2016-01-21 22:18 <Melanie_T> it means the object gets no physics representation at all and can't detect collisitons
2016-01-21 22:18 <Melanie_T> VolumeDetect is a special setting that can't be achieved other than by a script
2016-01-21 22:18 <Melanie_T> it causes the object to have a physics proxy and detect collisions
2016-01-21 22:18 <Melanie_T> but not to be solid
2016-01-21 22:18 <Melanie_T> this is different from phantom
2016-01-21 22:19 <Melanie_T> I know ubit did work on this for avination to make it work properly
2016-01-21 22:19 <Melanie_T> so either it works in 0.9.0, the avination code
2016-01-21 22:20 <Melanie_T> or it got broken in the merge and needs to be fixed
2016-01-21 22:20 <Melanie_T> no one is going to fix it for the 0.8 series
2016-01-21 22:20 <Melanie_T> at least not one of core, i'd guess
2016-01-21 22:20 <Melanie_T> since core usually works on master
2016-01-21 22:26 <SethN> Since there are obviously changes in behaviour is there any list of expected behaviours for things that got changed in 0.9.   This would be a big help for everyone in knowing if something is actually a bug or not.
2016-01-21 22:26 <Melanie_T> 0.9 is expected to work as well as SL
2016-01-21 22:26 <Melanie_T> so first the behavior should be compared to SL
2016-01-21 22:26 <Melanie_T> if that fails, it should next be compared to 0.8.2
2016-01-21 22:27 <SethN> But we are not SL, and never have been.  This has been clearly posted many times, even by you Melanie.
2016-01-21 22:27 <Melanie_T> if it is like SL, but 0.8.2 was not like SL, it is an improvement, not a bug, even if it breaks some content
2016-01-21 22:27 <SethN> SL is not where we should be looking to know what has changed between versions of our own code
2016-01-21 22:28 <Melanie_T> if it is like 0.8.2, then it's not a regression, but rather a missing/incomplete feature and work is needed to make it work like SL
2016-01-21 22:28 <Melanie_T> if it worls less well than 0.8.2 it is a regression and needs to be fixed with some priority
2016-01-21 22:28 <Melanie_T> 0.9.0 is closer to SL in functionality
2016-01-21 22:29 <Melanie_T> of course you could log into avination to compare, it to avination
2016-01-21 22:29 <Melanie_T> if 0.9.0 code doesn't work like it does on avination, then something got broken
2016-01-21 22:30 <SethN> But how do we know Avination's behaviour was not in fact already broken and just never identified as such?
2016-01-21 22:31 <Melanie_T> by comparing to SL
2016-01-21 22:35 <SethN> Does that then mean that all of HG is a bug since neither SL or Avination support it?  I fail to understand how either SL or Avination can be used as a valid measure of what is a bug or not in OpenSim.
2016-01-21 22:36 <Melanie_T> HG is obviously not in SL but those features that are in SL need to work like SL in order to fulfill user expectations
2016-01-21 22:37 <Melanie_T> we're not limiting ourselves to what SL can do but where we do have a SL feture the implementation that works more alike to SL is the better ones
2016-01-21 22:39 <SethN> so we should be able to soon expect to see script support for materials and specular maps since that matches SL behaviour?
2016-01-21 22:39 <Melanie_T> no
2016-01-21 22:39 <Melanie_T> you can not "expect" anything
2016-01-21 22:39 <Melanie_T> this is a purely volunteer effort
2016-01-21 22:39 <Melanie_T> we take contributions from people who have created code that adds features or fixes bugs
2016-01-21 22:40 <Melanie_T> we fix bugs we see as security relevant, serious, or regressions
2016-01-21 22:40 <Melanie_T> we fix bugs we cause
2016-01-21 22:40 <Melanie_T> what we DON'T do is
2016-01-21 22:40 <Melanie_T> to provide new features at users' request
2016-01-21 22:41 <Melanie_T> if you want feature X, you can write it, or pay to have it written
2016-01-21 22:41 <Melanie_T> you can then keep and use it, or donate it
2016-01-21 22:41 <Melanie_T> but you can't ever demand that core provide it for you 
2016-01-21 22:41 <Melanie_T> we all in ocre use opensim in various ways
2016-01-21 22:41 <Melanie_T> the code that we ourselves write reflects our own needs
2016-01-21 22:42 <Melanie_T> if none of us needs feature X, none of us will write it
2016-01-21 22:42 <Melanie_T> unless contracted to do it. there are several people here, core and otherwise, who will take such jobs on
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2016-01-22 07:47 <djphil> Melanie_T : I'm surprised you said that "real phantom" can only be achieved manually ... what are the functions llSetStatus (STATUS_PHANTOM, TRUE) and llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast (LINK_THIS [PRIM_PHANTOM, TRUE then? These functions are not real phantom?
2016-01-22 07:47 <djphil> But I'm telling Ubit to learn that work on this issue and I would be happy to talk a bit about that with him. Especially since I have to talk to him and also the new httpRequest HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH that works now but may be blocking because it is limited (as SL) ... Before there 'was no limitation and it was working fine ...
2016-01-22 07:47 <djphil> So if it is not possible to remove this new limitation, I thought it might be possible to add a new OSSL function that she would not have this limitation ... something like eg osHTTP Request ...
2016-01-22 07:47 <djphil> As we osPlay / Stop Animation works without user permission request ... we could have osHTTPRequest without limitation.
2016-01-22 07:47 <djphil> This would be appreciated :)
2016-01-22 07:50 <AliciaRaven2> djphil, setting volume detect true, makes the object act phantom but register collisions, why would you even need to set phantom true as volume detect already has the same effect, but with collisions still registering?
2016-01-22 07:53 <djphil> Hello Alicia :) and HNY
2016-01-22 07:53 <djphil> As Alicia explained yesterday, if I use volume detected, the phantom is prim and collision are not detected properly. I am obliged to prim phantom hand after compiling my script if the collision does not work
2016-01-22 07:53 <AliciaRaven2> you mean you have to manually toggle phantom to get volume detect to work?
2016-01-22 07:55 <djphil> I have to manually for prim phantom collisions detection works correctly, yes
2016-01-22 07:55 <AliciaRaven2> i had a script a while back that set volume detect twice, there was a note above saying it was calling the function twice due to a bug, maybe try setting it twice
2016-01-22 07:56 <AliciaRaven2> llVolumeDetect(TRUE);llVolumeDetect(TRUE);
2016-01-22 07:57 <djphil> ha okay
2016-01-22 07:57 <djphil> I'll try this, it would be a temporary solution
2016-01-22 07:58 <djphil> Strangely too, if I use llDetectedLink Number (i) it does not always give me the good link number (but this is specified on the SL Wiki)
2016-01-22 07:59 <djphil> That means that llDetectedLink Number does not work reliably when used with collision_start etc ...
2016-01-22 07:59 <AliciaRaven2> another bug?
2016-01-22 08:04 <djphil> I guess not because it is specified that in the SL wiki ... but it could be improved in opensim perhaps, why not ...
2016-01-22 08:06 <djphil> perhaps it is better to say not to use with collision detect link number and best used with sensor or click only .
2016-01-22 08:07 <djphil> these are basic functions but they are a bit confusing
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2016-01-22 09:41 <djphil> Alicia, for info, double llVolumeDetect(TRUE) don't fix the problem here
2016-01-22 09:41 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-22 17:10 <djphil> Heh, i found another strange behavior with OS v0.9.x
2016-01-22 17:10 <AliciaRaven2> djphil, must be a regresion, volume detect is working as expected in 0.8.3
2016-01-22 17:11 <djphil> With php file get content, I checked if my simulator is in line http / ip / port / simstatus /
2016-01-22 17:11 <djphil> with my simulator v0.8.x it work perfectly, quickly!
2016-01-22 17:11 <djphil> and with v0.9.x it is very very slow
2016-01-22 17:12 <djphil> any idea why ?
2016-01-22 17:12 <djphil> another v0.9.x regression ?
2016-01-22 17:12 <AliciaRaven2> there are posts on the mailing list about http request speed also, people are saying is very slow in 0.9
2016-01-22 17:12 <djphil> yes i see that too in a lot of my lsl script using http request
2016-01-22 17:13 <djphil> all is slow in v0.9.x
2016-01-22 17:13 <djphil> tanks for info alicia
2016-01-22 17:13 <djphil> I do not read often enough the mailing list
2016-01-22 17:15 <djphil> is there something about you as avatar which continues to advance itself when you stop walking ?
2016-01-22 17:16 <djphil> And yes, i can confirm, in the collision worked in v0.8.x
2016-01-22 17:16 <AliciaRaven2> i think the problem u mean there was fixed the other day by misterblue
2016-01-22 17:16 <djphil> i read a mantis about that
2016-01-22 17:16 <djphil> but not sure is the same problem
2016-01-22 17:17 <djphil> because i update my sim and the problem persist ...
2016-01-22 17:18 <djphil> and that is too a v0.9.x problem, no problem with v0.8.x
2016-01-22 17:18 <SethN> I am having trouble determining that is a regression vs a bug in 0.9.  According to Melanie if it works like SL and Avinaation then that is how it is supposed to work.
2016-01-22 17:20 <AliciaRaven2> in sl if u stand still there is no drift, must be bug
2016-01-22 17:20 <SethN> I would tend to agree on that one for sure
2016-01-22 17:20 <djphil> and SL isn"t perfect ...
2016-01-22 17:21 <SethN> No, far from it.  It should be used only as a reference and not the gold standard for expected behaviour in OpenSim.
2016-01-22 17:23 <djphil> when flying in SL and you turn your avatar bows and opensim as he does this. Opensim but it is also slower
2016-01-22 17:24 <djphil> there are many differences
2016-01-22 17:24 <AliciaRaven2> i have to go for a while, bye for now
2016-01-22 17:24 <djphil> with "sit" too aie aie aie !!!
2016-01-22 17:24 <djphil> Bye Alicia and ty :)
2016-01-22 17:30 <boann> you have workin whit php, as file_content(); wy not as json ?? 
2016-01-22 17:33 <djphil> this is only to get the "ok" content in simstatus page
2016-01-22 17:34 <djphil> for some othet sim stats i use json too (eg:  jsonSimStats page)
2016-01-22 17:34 <djphil> and it work very slowly too in v0.9.x
2016-01-22 17:35 <boann> oke.. and when you request directly on the server it self ?
2016-01-22 17:35 <djphil> maybee curl is fast, no treyend yet
2016-01-22 17:36 <SethN> I would consider that a bug or regression considering it was faster prior to 0.9
2016-01-22 17:36 <djphil> you mean directly ask the database?
2016-01-22 17:36 <djphil> because simstatus ask directly the simulator
2016-01-22 17:37 <djphil> so i no understand what you mean
2016-01-22 17:37 <djphil> try http://IP:PORT/simstatus/
2016-01-22 17:37 <boann> no, directly on you server ip/port/simstatus/
2016-01-22 17:38 <djphil> with explorer that work fine
2016-01-22 17:38 <djphil> fast
2016-01-22 17:38 <djphil> but if a do a file get content via php, then it is very slow
2016-01-22 17:38 <djphil> and with lsl (hhtpRequest) is very slow too now in v0.9.x
2016-01-22 17:39 <djphil> i read the mailing list just now
2016-01-22 17:39 <boann> do you have anny javascript skills ?
2016-01-22 17:39 <djphil> Jeff mean about that
2016-01-22 17:39 <JeffKelley> no
2016-01-22 17:39 <djphil> only jquery (for bootstrap)
2016-01-22 17:39 <JeffKelley> LSL HTTP server is not actually slow
2016-01-22 17:40 <djphil> quoi no ,
2016-01-22 17:40 <JeffKelley> it is said to be slow but it is not
2016-01-22 17:40 <djphil> for me yes Jeff ..
2016-01-22 17:41 <JeffKelley> depends on how you use it, if you want just to stream requests blindly, it eats 200 reqs/sec
2016-01-22 17:41 <djphil> my scripts take several additional seconds to display content from an application via http lsl
2016-01-22 17:41 <JeffKelley> they shouldn't
2016-01-22 17:41 <boann> let my try somting here 
2016-01-22 17:42 <JeffKelley> djphil : did you say it was fast with a web browser, but slow with file_get_content ?
2016-01-22 17:43 <djphil> yes Jeff
2016-01-22 17:43 <JeffKelley> so the problem is not with LSL HTTP
2016-01-22 17:44 <djphil> that another problem
2016-01-22 17:44 <djphil> sure!
2016-01-22 17:44 <JeffKelley> i use curl
2016-01-22 17:45 <djphil> taht maybee a better way ..
2016-01-22 17:48 <JeffKelley> i can't speak for 0.9 but in 0.8, i can query +/- 50 simulators is less than 500ms
2016-01-22 17:51 <djphil> try with v0.9.x
2016-01-22 17:53 <JeffKelley> i can't compile 0.9 yet (CentOS 6)
2016-01-22 17:53 <djphil> try the OSG release
2016-01-22 17:53 <djphil> is precompiled
2016-01-22 17:53 <djphil> ha yes Linux ...
2016-01-22 17:54 <djphil> Ho CentOS
2016-01-22 17:54 <JeffKelley> it's dynamically linked to glibc and mine is too old
2016-01-22 17:54 <JeffKelley> yes, CentOS was a bad choice
2016-01-22 17:54 <djphil> don't know this univers ^^
2016-01-22 17:55 <SethN> CentOS is great for stability, but certainly lags well behind many things current.   Debian Jessie is a good choice if you are not tied to a RH style distro.
2016-01-22 20:33 <Melanie_T> JeffKelley: what keeps you from compiling 0.9?
2016-01-22 20:34 <JeffKelley> it compiles but crashes when loading a ode/ubode region
2016-01-22 20:35 <Melanie_T> djphil: You can certainly set true phantom via script but doing so disabled volume detection
2016-01-22 20:35 <Melanie_T> JeffKelley: what mono do you use to compile it with, and are you using nant or xbuild?
2016-01-22 20:36 <djphil> in my collision script i have tryed this
2016-01-22 20:36 <JeffKelley> mono 3.2.5, xbuild ; this is an issue with glibc
2016-01-22 20:36 <djphil> but that don't solve the problem
2016-01-22 20:37 <Melanie_T> JeffKelley: there isn't a possibility of a glibc issue unless you're using something binary
2016-01-22 20:37 <Melanie_T> if you self-compile everything, you will never have glibc issues
2016-01-22 20:38 <Melanie_T> for centos the recipe is as follows
2016-01-22 20:38 <Melanie_T> do NOT install the rpm-packaged mono
2016-01-22 20:38 <Melanie_T> if you have installed it previously, remove it
2016-01-22 20:39 <Melanie_T> if you have ever compiled a mono, and you still have the source tree, go there and type "make uninstall" which will delete it's installed files
2016-01-22 20:39 <Melanie_T> if youhave installd from a binary tarball, you will need to examine the tarball, then remove the files it contains from your system
2016-01-22 20:39 <Melanie_T> in the end, after relogging your console, entering "mono" should give an error message
2016-01-22 20:40 <JeffKelley> mono was compiled, no suitable rpm was available
2016-01-22 20:40 <Melanie_T> next, install epel and elrepo
2016-01-22 20:40 <JeffKelley> they are
2016-01-22 20:40 <Melanie_T> install libgdiplus-devel from yum
2016-01-22 20:40 <Melanie_T> get mono 2.10.9 source
2016-01-22 20:41 <Melanie_T> go to the mono source directory
2016-01-22 20:41 <Melanie_T> type ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --with-large-heap=yes
2016-01-22 20:41 <Melanie_T> you may need to edit libtool and add ECHO=echo somewhere near the top
2016-01-22 20:41 <Melanie_T> type make
2016-01-22 20:41 <Melanie_T> grab a coffee
2016-01-22 20:41 <Melanie_T> type make install
2016-01-22 20:42 <Melanie_T> once that is done, text that mono runs by typing mono
2016-01-22 20:42 <Melanie_T> check the version with mono --version
2016-01-22 20:42 <Melanie_T> get the mono 3.0 source
2016-01-22 20:42 <Melanie_T> dp the same thing with that
2016-01-22 20:42 <Melanie_T> get the mono 3.8 source, then do the same
2016-01-22 20:42 <Melanie_T> get mono 4.2.1 or better source
2016-01-22 20:43 <JeffKelley> will this solve DllNotFoundException: lib64/libode-x86_64 ?
2016-01-22 20:43 <Melanie_T> you will now be able to build it, it requires mono 3.8 to build 5.2.1
2016-01-22 20:43 <Melanie_T> install that
2016-01-22 20:43 <Melanie_T> compile opensim using xbuild
2016-01-22 20:43 <Melanie_T> and you should be good to go
2016-01-22 20:43 <Melanie_T> it should
2016-01-22 20:43 <Melanie_T> you need to be aware that certain mono versions need other minimal versions to build
2016-01-22 20:43 <Melanie_T> 2.10.9 will for instance not build 3.8
2016-01-22 20:44 <Melanie_T> but WILL build 3.0
2016-01-22 20:44 <Melanie_T> which in turn will build 3.8
2016-01-22 20:44 <Melanie_T> and 3.8 is required to build any mono 4
2016-01-22 20:44 <Melanie_T> don't use make -j
2016-01-22 20:44 <JeffKelley> it would be simpler to zap the machine and install a Debian
2016-01-22 20:44 <Melanie_T> mono's dependencies are shot and parallel builds fail
2016-01-22 20:45 <Melanie_T> you'd still have to do the same thing to get best performance
2016-01-22 20:45 <Melanie_T> binary mono packages are not compiled --with-large-heap
2016-01-22 20:45 <Melanie_T> which opensim works better with
2016-01-22 20:45 <JeffKelley> so, rpm are sub-optimal ?
2016-01-22 20:45 <Melanie_T> correct
2016-01-22 20:46 <Melanie_T> deb, too
2016-01-22 20:46 <Melanie_T> with a debian you save yourself 2.10.9 and 3.0
2016-01-22 20:46 <Melanie_T> as you get a mono 3 and probably even a mono 4
2016-01-22 20:46 <Melanie_T> but you'd still have to compile the version you want to run
2016-01-22 20:47 <Melanie_T> and unless you get the deb and look in the debian dubdir for the changes that were made to mono for debian (called being debinaized)
2016-01-22 20:47 <Melanie_T> you may well not be able to self-compile a mono that seamlessly replaces an apt-installed mono
2016-01-22 20:47 <Melanie_T> which takes us back to step 1
2016-01-22 20:47 <Melanie_T> namely, you'd have to bootstrap on debian also 
2016-01-22 20:48 <JeffKelley> that's a pretty long roadmap
2016-01-22 20:49 <SethN> No matter what distro if you plan to build from source you should remove the distro's mono package, otherwise you need to take additional steps to ensure they are kept separate to avoid conflicts.
2016-01-22 20:49 <JeffKelley> on most deb/ubuntu, i just apt-get mono, so that was not the best way ?
2016-01-22 20:52 <SethN> apt-get install mono-complete will get you the distro packages installed on Debian or Ubuntu.  They may not be compiled with large heap but they will still work.
2016-01-22 20:53 <JeffKelley> with lesser performance
2016-01-22 20:53 <SethN> I have never benchmarked the difference so can't say by how much
2016-01-22 20:55 <SethN> There are so many other factors that impact performance that would really need to be done on the same, or an identical machine to get any useful metrics
2016-01-22 20:56 <Melanie_T> on a decent machine you can bootstrap mono in an afternoon
2016-01-22 20:56 <Melanie_T> you can make your own tarball then of youhave multiple boxen
2016-01-22 20:57 <SethN> Melanie, you must have some specific numbers on what performance difference can be expected with large heaps vs not.
2016-01-22 20:58 <Melanie_T> the large heap isn't actually for performance
2016-01-22 20:58 <Melanie_T> it boosts the number of scripts and avatars you can have
2016-01-22 21:00 <JeffKelley> i'd like to be sure that 0.9 is running with glibc 2.12 somewhere, there is this memcpy vs. memmove issue
2016-01-22 21:07 <Melanie_T> which one is that?
2016-01-22 21:10 <JeffKelley> http://opensimulator.org/pipermail/opensim-dev/2016-January/026290.html
2016-01-22 21:14 <JeffKelley> for clarity : my CentOS 6/MONO 3.2.5 have been running opensim for 2 years, until commit 073877d configured for ubODE; works for Bullet however
2016-01-22 21:17 <Melanie_T> hmmm
2016-01-22 21:17 <Melanie_T> that could then well be an issue with the ode native lib
2016-01-22 21:18 <Melanie_T> Ubit would be the one to ask
2016-01-22 21:18 <JeffKelley> that's my guess, i'd like to be wrong
2016-01-22 22:11 <SethN> JeffKelly, you may want to check with Dan Banner.  I think he did the Linux compile for the native lib for Ubit.  He may be able to adjust his compile settings to resolve that problem.
2016-01-22 22:33 <JeffKelley> That was briefly discussed here. I have no log, but i remember he linked against glibc >= 2.14 on the latest OpenSUSE. Googling for "glibc 2.14" reveals a number of products affected by the memcpy/memmove issue, and ppl asking how to upgrade when they can't because glibc is bound to their distro (wheezy, rhel6)
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2016-01-23 02:31 <Melanie_T> well, it's not a good idea to depend on something newer than the oldest known used releases use
2016-01-23 02:31 <Melanie_T> so it has to go back to glibc 2.9
2016-01-23 09:58 <osmantis> Bug #7817:04 file_get_contents no longer works with 0.9.x on simstatus page 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7817 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-01-23 10:16 <osmantis> Bug #7818:04 OpenSim http server broken on 0.9.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7818 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-01-23 10:29 <osmantis> Bug #7819:04 volume detect and collisions do not work proprely 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7819 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-01-23 11:21 <osmantis> Bug #7819:04 volume detect and collisions do not work proprely 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7819 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2016-01-23 11:34 <osmantis> Bug #7819:04 volume detect and collisions do not work proprely 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7819 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2016-01-23 12:20 <osmantis> Bug #7820:04 osNpcSit does not work well in actual 0.9.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7820 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-01-23 13:39 <nebadon_> I am back home from Sweden now :)
2016-01-23 15:06 <smxy> Just in time to shovel snow, eh, nebadon? :)
2016-01-23 15:09 <nebadon_> yes
2016-01-23 15:09 <nebadon_> its horrible
2016-01-23 15:09 <nebadon_> we already have atleast a foot of snow
2016-01-23 15:09 <nebadon_> with another 8-12 inches coming 
2016-01-23 15:09 <nebadon_> can't escape it :) was like this the whole time i was in sweden too
2016-01-23 15:10 <H-H-H> i havent see one flake of snow :(
2016-01-23 15:11 <nebadon_> where in the country are you? obviously not the north east :)
2016-01-23 15:11 <H-H-H> im east anglia uk
2016-01-23 15:12 <nebadon_> oh ok
2016-01-23 15:12 <nebadon_> well if you want to see some snow go to sweden, plenty of it :)
2016-01-23 15:12 <jakdaniels__> it's a barmy 10C, ~52F here in UK today :)
2016-01-23 15:13 <H-H-H> we havent really had a winter at all
2016-01-23 15:13 <jakdaniels__> had 2 inches of snow here in Wales last week. All gone now
2016-01-23 15:15 <nebadon_> http://nebadon2025.com/photos/20160113_124023.jpg
2016-01-23 15:15 <nebadon_> thats my office in Sweden
2016-01-23 15:16 <nebadon_> http://nebadon2025.com/photos/20160113_124001.jpg
2016-01-23 15:16 <nebadon_> http://nebadon2025.com/photos/20160113_124004.jpg
2016-01-23 15:16 <nebadon_> fun stuff :)
2016-01-23 15:16 <jakdaniels__> those big piles of snow are from the snow ploughs?
2016-01-23 15:16 <nebadon_> http://nebadon2025.com/photos/20160118_105532.jpg
2016-01-23 15:17 <nebadon_> yea :0
2016-01-23 15:17 <H-H-H> i was looking at the cars they have a good bit on them
2016-01-23 15:17 <nebadon_> http://nebadon2025.com/photos/20160112_211233.jpg
2016-01-23 15:17 <nebadon_> was nice though
2016-01-23 15:17 <nebadon_> sucks I brought it home with me though :)
2016-01-23 15:17 <nebadon_> i got really lucky i was probably one of the last flights out of Germany
2016-01-23 15:18 <nebadon_> before they started closing down the airports here in USA
2016-01-23 15:18 <nebadon_> would have really sucked to be stuck at the airport in Munich for days
2016-01-23 15:21 <jakdaniels__> this was my house last week: https://plus.google.com/u/0/111753556975227514242/photos/photo/6239933126054926370?pid=6239933126054926370&oid=111753556975227514242
2016-01-23 15:22 <jakdaniels__> in the snow
2016-01-23 15:22 <nebadon_> nice!
2016-01-23 15:22 <nebadon_> i should have taken some photospheres
2016-01-23 15:22 <nebadon_> its kind of hard at -20c though to be outside very long
2016-01-23 15:22 <nebadon_> lol
2016-01-23 15:23 <jakdaniels__> yeah... my fingers froze taking that one!
2016-01-23 15:24 <H-H-H> i think im going to move lol i love snow and have done since i was a kid but i seem to live in the only place in the uk that never see's any lol even a city 15 mile from me got snow 
2016-01-23 15:52 <misterblue> JeffKelley,Melanie_T,SethN: BulletSim 'solves' the glibc problem with CentoOS by implementing its own version of memcpy and using some ld-fu to wrap the function over the library
2016-01-23 15:53 <misterblue> see trunk/unmanaged/BulletSim/Util.h and the Makefile
2016-01-23 15:54 <misterblue> maybe that explanation is for Ubit but he hasn't been around much lately
2016-01-23 16:08 <nebadon_> has he posted the source code for ubode anywhere?
2016-01-23 16:11 <osmantis> Bug #7820:04 osNpcSit does not work well in actual 0.9.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7820 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-23 16:11 <Plugh> Hey, nebadon.
2016-01-23 16:11 <nebadon_> hello :)
2016-01-23 16:12 <Plugh> You've been allowed some time for yourself at last?
2016-01-23 16:12 <nebadon_> I worked about 95% of my trip
2016-01-23 16:12 <H-H-H> were on version 9 allready? man i need to update
2016-01-23 16:12 <nebadon_> i wont be doing much this weekend though, totally snowed in
2016-01-23 16:13 <nebadon_> I didnt even get a chance to go stock up on supplies
2016-01-23 16:14 <Plugh> H-H-H: 0.9 is the current development version.
2016-01-23 16:20 <nebadon_> geez 3000 updates for OpenSUSE Tumbleweed in 2 weeks ouch
2016-01-23 16:20 <nebadon_> never installed that many zypper updates at once before
2016-01-23 16:21 <Plugh> That sounds like a distro upgrade and not a general updating of the version you are running.
2016-01-23 16:21 <nebadon_> its tumbleweed
2016-01-23 16:21 <nebadon_> constantly rolling updates
2016-01-23 16:21 <nebadon_> hence the name
2016-01-23 16:22 <Plugh> nebadon_: FYI, I'm using mono 3.12.1 and finding my OpenSim 0.8.2PF is crashing now and then.
2016-01-23 16:22 <Plugh> oh, cute.
2016-01-23 16:22 <nebadon_> random crashing? or something specific?
2016-01-23 16:22 <Plugh> I'm not sure what triggers it. It refers to a possible issue in mono. No back trace that indicates it is a bug in OS itself..
2016-01-23 16:23 <nebadon_> ya those suck
2016-01-23 16:23 <nebadon_> you cant ever really expect a totally crash free environment with opensim
2016-01-23 16:23 <nebadon_> but if its happening a lot that sounds unusual
2016-01-23 16:23 <nebadon_> especially with not a lot going on
2016-01-23 16:23 <nebadon_> we made it through 48 hours of the last OSCC without a single crash
2016-01-23 16:23 <nebadon_> and had about 550 visitors
2016-01-23 16:24 <nebadon_> i was running mono 4.0.4 though
2016-01-23 16:24 <nebadon_> however
2016-01-23 16:24 <nebadon_> i suspect i might know what your problem is
2016-01-23 16:24 <Plugh> This is my standalone. I was testing an online indicator device from a grid where the indicator is triggering exceptions in the grid.
2016-01-23 16:24 <nebadon_> you really have to tune the kernel to make it right 1 sec
2016-01-23 16:25 <nebadon_> I can show you how i do it in opensuse
2016-01-23 16:25 <nebadon_> it might vary slightly in debian based os
2016-01-23 16:25 <Plugh> I haven't had this type of problem with OS and/or mono tha I can recall.
2016-01-23 16:25 <nebadon_> do this
2016-01-23 16:25 <nebadon_> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=65
2016-01-23 16:26 <nebadon_> also make sure you have this in your .bashrc
2016-01-23 16:26 <nebadon_> export MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU=2048
2016-01-23 16:26 <nebadon_> export MONO_GC_PARAMS=nursery-size=64m
2016-01-23 16:26 <nebadon_> otherwise it will be crash city
2016-01-23 16:26 <Plugh> Those two exports I've had in place a long time.
2016-01-23 16:27 <nebadon_> ya
2016-01-23 16:27 <nebadon_> the first post i showed is vital for me 
2016-01-23 16:27 <Plugh> I don't have that file-max setting in the .conf file. 
2016-01-23 16:27 <nebadon_> yea its super important
2016-01-23 16:27 <Plugh> bbiab. I have to help with getting the cat some medication.
2016-01-23 16:27 <nebadon_> it seems recently the default for linux desktop variants has gone down considerably
2016-01-23 16:28 <nebadon_> will need a bit of tuning to get it right
2016-01-23 16:28 <nebadon_> also my page shows for "nginx"
2016-01-23 16:28 <nebadon_> the user
2016-01-23 16:28 <nebadon_> just replace that with whatever user is running mono and opensim.exe
2016-01-23 16:31 <nebadon_> brb have to reboot this machine updates finished
2016-01-23 16:36 <Plugh> I'm back.
2016-01-23 16:36 <Plugh> I'm not using nginx
2016-01-23 16:36 <nebadon_> i know
2016-01-23 16:36 <nebadon_> but my tutorial has the user nginx
2016-01-23 16:36 <nebadon_> so just replace that with whatever your user name is
2016-01-23 16:37 <Plugh> oh, I see
2016-01-23 16:37 <nebadon_> ive never done it in debian or ubuntu variants
2016-01-23 16:37 <nebadon_> only fedora and opensuse so the tutorial may vary slightly for you
2016-01-23 16:38 <nebadon_> 3000'ish updated went without a hitch, so that is good
2016-01-23 16:38 <nebadon_> kind of scary if you do that many updates and it goes sideways, hard to know what the problem was
2016-01-23 16:39 <nebadon_> i like tumbleweed though
2016-01-23 16:43 <Plugh> What I should do is run 080PF for a while and see if it crashes under the mono I'm using.
2016-01-23 16:46 <Plugh> nebadon_: That's good. I don't ever see that many updates at once unless something fundamental changed. Usually it is only when doing an update from one version of a distro to the latest.
2016-01-23 16:49 <nebadon_> yes with opensuse leap 42.1 which is their new stable version
2016-01-23 16:49 <nebadon_> the updates are not as often
2016-01-23 16:49 <nebadon_> tumbleweed is like opensuse-dev
2016-01-23 16:49 <nebadon_> update machine gun
2016-01-23 19:06 <Plugh> When moving from one copy of code to the next you delete all the compile code files but leave the state files. The updated instances should then recompile the scripts on start up and use the existing state files?
2016-01-23 19:07 <Plugh> s/compile code files/compiled script files/
2016-01-23 19:24 <osmantis> Bug #7818:04 OpenSim http server broken on 0.9.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7818 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-23 20:04 <nebadon_> Plugh yes
2016-01-23 20:04 <nebadon_> the only thing you need to keep is the .state files
2016-01-23 20:04 <nebadon_> everything else will regenerate next startup
2016-01-23 20:05 <Plugh> I hought so. Someone was trying to tell me the .state files wouldn't be used if the scripts were recompiled.
2016-01-23 20:05 <nebadon_> ya that isn't true they most definitely would be
2016-01-23 20:06 <nebadon_> wouldnt be hard to test it really
2016-01-23 20:06 <Plugh> yea, I was pretty sure that was the case.
2016-01-23 20:06 <Plugh> yea
2016-01-23 23:22 <osmantis> Bug #7821:04 Opensim Bug with Firestorm Viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7821 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-01-23 23:43 <osmantis> Bug #7821:04 Opensim Bug with Firestorm Viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7821 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-23 23:44 <AliciaRaven2> heh very descriptive bug report title
2016-01-24 00:20 <osmantis> Bug #7821:04 Opensim Bug with Firestorm Viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7821 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-01-24 04:22 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-24 13:19 <osmantis> Bug #7816:04 Patch of DynamicTexture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7816 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
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2016-01-24 16:13 <osmantis> Bug #7822:04 Parcel group script permssions behaviour different under ubOde vs Bullet 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7822 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-01-24 16:29 <osmantis> Bug #7820:04 osNpcSit does not work well in actual 0.9.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7820 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-24 18:03 <nebadon> holy shit its snowy out
2016-01-24 18:03 <nebadon> barely even got my jeep out of the driveway even in 4 wheel low
2016-01-24 18:04 <nebadon> 33 inch tires the snow was covering 1/2 of the tire my gas tank was sitting on snow
2016-01-24 18:07 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, maybe it followed u from sweeden lol
2016-01-24 18:08 <nebadon> ya pretty much
2016-01-24 18:55 <Plugh> Are you in the northeastern US, nebadon? I heard they got hit pretty hard.
2016-01-24 18:55 <nebadon>  yes, Southern New Jersey
2016-01-24 18:55 <nebadon> right outside of Philadelphia
2016-01-24 18:55 <nebadon> we got around 12-18 inches
2016-01-24 18:57 <Plugh> Only 12-18 inches? That's not too bad. Nice amount of snow to deal with.
2016-01-24 18:57 <nebadon> its a lot for this area
2016-01-24 18:58 <nebadon> it was basically a snow hurricane
2016-01-24 18:58 <nebadon> 50-70mph winds in some places
2016-01-24 18:58 <nebadon> the shore line got flooded bad
2016-01-24 18:58 <nebadon> storm surge
2016-01-24 18:59 <Plugh> Storm surge wouldn't be good. A lot of water going places it doesn't normally go and then freezing in to lots of ice.
2016-01-24 19:05 <nebadon> yea it looked bad on the news
2016-01-24 19:05 <nebadon> streets were flooded and you could see like mini icebergs floating down street smashing into cars 
2016-01-24 19:12 <Plugh> wow.
2016-01-24 19:13 <Plugh> I heard about the storms coming that way but I never did get around to seeing any news coverage about the storms.
2016-01-24 20:37 <Plugh> Any ideas about what can cause "Root element is missing" exceptions? It seems to be related to communicating with Robust (via xml?) where the communication with Robust failed (possibly just timed out).
2016-01-24 20:38 <H-H-H> iirc it is because it got a blank reply or no reply when it was execting a valid xml reply
2016-01-24 20:38 <H-H-H> expecting*
2016-01-24 20:39 <nebadon> probably a broken linkset maybe
2016-01-24 20:39 <Plugh> Right. So is that a sort of OS bug where it doesn't properly handle the lack of reply?
2016-01-24 20:39 <nebadon> is this when region starts up? you get a bunch of yellow messages?
2016-01-24 20:39 <nebadon> does it show the root uuid?
2016-01-24 20:39 <Plugh> nebadon, the problem is triggered by an avatar online detection script.
2016-01-24 20:39 <nebadon> hmm ok so script engine message?
2016-01-24 20:40 <Plugh> its not happening again right now or I could get the actual error message.
2016-01-24 20:40 <nebadon> k
2016-01-24 20:40 <nebadon> the only time i recall seeing something like that was a broken linkset where the parent goes missing
2016-01-24 20:40 <nebadon> and all thats left are the child prims
2016-01-24 20:41 <nebadon> usually you can grab the parent uuid from the error and search the prims db there is a field for parent id
2016-01-24 20:41 <nebadon> not sure if this is same problem though maybe nto
2016-01-24 20:41 <nebadon> not*
2016-01-24 20:41 <nebadon> usually the object is not visible at all in world
2016-01-24 20:41 <nebadon> so you have to db dive to fix
2016-01-24 20:42 <H-H-H> i usually experience those errors if say for example search or profiles has a hicup
2016-01-24 20:42 <nebadon> ya may not be related at all to what I am remembering
2016-01-24 20:43 <Plugh> nebadon: ok. I don't think its a link set issue this time but that is useful to know (if I can remember it). :)
2016-01-24 20:44 <nebadon> ya root element definitely sounds like xml problem
2016-01-24 20:45 <Plugh> H-H-H: yea, it seems to be some kind of temporary hiccup but it happens pretty often.
2016-01-24 20:45 <nebadon> did you ever do that tweaking i mentioned
2016-01-24 20:45 <Plugh> The person reporting it is also saying their Robust seems to miss data now and then.
2016-01-24 20:45 <nebadon> the open files thing could definitely be the problem
2016-01-24 20:46 <Plugh> nebadon: no, not yet. I'm not sure if I do need that or not. Depends on if the mono defaults have really dropped in value.
2016-01-24 20:46 <nebadon> seems that most recent linux releases have very small allowed number of open files by default
2016-01-24 20:46 <nebadon> and you can get all kinds of wierd issues
2016-01-24 20:46 <nebadon> on a busy grid
2016-01-24 20:46 <nebadon> this is not a mono issue
2016-01-24 20:46 <Plugh> I'm just running a standalone on my machine.
2016-01-24 20:46 <nebadon> its a linux kernel issue
2016-01-24 20:47 <nebadon> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-increase-the-maximum-number-of-open-files/
2016-01-24 20:47 <Plugh> OS is the only program giving me a crash without much other info. I'll have to look to see what the defaults are in Mint 17.2
2016-01-24 20:49 <nebadon> ya opensuse leap 42.1 has a limit of 1024
2016-01-24 20:49 <nebadon> which is really low
2016-01-24 20:49 <nebadon> i set it to 65535
2016-01-24 20:50 <nebadon> brb have to reboot
2016-01-24 20:50 <H-H-H> hmmm nebadon ty for that link it might solve a wierd issue i have on my built from scratch system that causes things to crash if i try to open another file in filemanager
2016-01-24 20:50 <Plugh> http://pastebin.com/LCfQTJ4T
2016-01-24 20:53 <H-H-H> 206263
2016-01-24 20:55 <Plugh> for?
2016-01-24 20:55 <H-H-H> 100000
2016-01-24 20:55 <H-H-H> sorry lol that was my max file setting
2016-01-24 20:55 <Plugh> my file-max is 1621336
2016-01-24 20:55 <Plugh> My ulmit -Hn and -Sn values are only 4096 and 1024 so I should up those values.
2016-01-24 20:56 <H-H-H> yea me to
2016-01-24 20:58 <nebadon> ok sorry about that had to reboot, having wierd nvidia driver issues on this machine with dual screens
2016-01-24 20:58 <nebadon> everytime i reboot it it goes back to mirror so both screens see same thing, and of course it chooses the desktop that has none of my icons on it
2016-01-24 20:58 <nebadon> so odd
2016-01-24 20:59 <nebadon> Plugh this is a very odd message > at SecondLife.XEngineScript.default_event_timer() in c:\Users\Administrator\AppData\Local\Temp\mvzuree3.0.cs:line 60
2016-01-24 21:00 <nebadon> what the heck is mvzuree
2016-01-24 21:00 <Plugh> Probably something related to a compile script?
2016-01-24 21:01 <Plugh> I asked about it and the person reporting the issue couldn't find the file.
2016-01-24 21:01 <Plugh> s/compile script/compiled script/
2016-01-24 21:02 <nebadon> i cant imagine why xengine would be putting .cs files in temp
2016-01-24 21:02 <Plugh> nebadon: My file-max is high enough I don't need to touch it. My hard and soft user limits are kind of low. 082PF might use more open files than in 080. I'll up my limits.
2016-01-24 21:02 <Plugh> yea, I know. I thought that was also quite odd.
2016-01-24 21:03 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6634
2016-01-24 21:03 <Plugh> My standalone 082PF hasn't crashed in a while now but it wouldn't hurt to up the limits. I need to document that I'm doing that for future reference
2016-01-24 21:03 <nebadon> intersting
2016-01-24 21:04 <nebadon> you need to enable co-op
2016-01-24 21:04 <nebadon> ScriptStopStrategy = co-op
2016-01-24 21:04 <nebadon> in [Xengine]
2016-01-24 21:04 <nebadon> have them give that a try
2016-01-24 21:04 <Plugh> Hm... that looks a bit like what is happening. ty, I'll pass that along.
2016-01-24 21:05 <nebadon> i guess .net handles things differently than mono here
2016-01-24 21:05 <nebadon> not surprising
2016-01-24 21:07 <Plugh> odd. That was in master from a long time ago. Not wure which release of OS. I haven't seen that. I wonder if co-op is a default depending on the operating system being used.
2016-01-24 21:07 <Plugh> s/wure/sure/
2016-01-24 21:07 <nebadon> let me see what default is
2016-01-24 21:08 <nebadon> hmm
2016-01-24 21:08 <nebadon> in master co-op is default
2016-01-24 21:08 <nebadon> but maybe they are running old ini's
2016-01-24 21:10 <Plugh> um... that mantis says the problem occurs when using co-op.
2016-01-24 21:11 <nebadon> ya but I think justin was saying he fixed it
2016-01-24 21:11 <nebadon> but ya maybe try one of the other options
2016-01-24 21:12 <nebadon> abort is the other option
2016-01-24 21:14 <Plugh> ok, I've passed the info along. It will be up to them to check their ini files.
2016-01-24 21:16 <nebadon> cool
2016-01-24 21:22 <Plugh> As they mentioned one goes almost line by line through the inis when upgrading. You don't always know whether to continue using what might be a hack from the ini used in a previous OS code in the new OS code ini.
2016-01-24 21:22 <Plugh> thanks for spotting that mantis. I might not have found that.
2016-01-24 21:23 <Plugh> bbl. I'm going to do a run to the stores before it gets dark.
2016-01-24 21:24 <nebadon> k
2016-01-24 21:25 <nebadon> darn replex viewer website is gone
2016-01-24 21:25 <nebadon> lkalif you around?
2016-01-24 21:25 <nebadon> well its not expired hmm maybe crashed?
2016-01-24 21:30 <nebadon> nice still up on github
2016-01-24 22:22 <SethN> Is there a quick way to delete anything rezzed on a sim after a given time?
2016-01-24 22:22 <nebadon> there is autoreturn feature
2016-01-24 22:22 <nebadon> on the parcel level
2016-01-24 22:23 <SethN> The problem seems to be a rogue rezz script someone has in their sim and everything is owned by the same person
2016-01-24 22:23 <nebadon> in the objects tab
2016-01-24 22:23 <nebadon> you can return everything owned by a single avatar
2016-01-24 22:24 <nebadon> just select their name on the list and return everything, need to be estate manager or parcel owner to do this
2016-01-24 22:24 <SethN> the problem is I only want to return items belonging to that person that were rezzed today, not the 9K done previously
2016-01-24 22:24 <nebadon> ahh hmm
2016-01-24 22:24 <nebadon> would probably need to go into the database for that
2016-01-24 22:24 <SethN> I had hope the schema had a rez timestamp but it doesn't
2016-01-24 22:24 <nebadon> there is no straight forward way for that
2016-01-24 22:25 <nebadon> hmm
2016-01-24 22:25 <nebadon> ya i generally run a crontask
2016-01-24 22:25 <nebadon> that does a mysqldump every 4 hours
2016-01-24 22:25 <nebadon> for this exact reason
2016-01-24 22:25 <nebadon> of course wont help you
2016-01-24 22:25 <nebadon> but might be something to consider
2016-01-24 22:25 <SethN> I do as well, but am trying to help someone else out that does not
2016-01-24 22:25 <nebadon> the mysqldumps are small and if you zip them even smaller
2016-01-24 22:25 <nebadon> ah ya
2016-01-24 22:26 <nebadon> you could maybe look on active scripts list
2016-01-24 22:26 <nebadon> and use beacon to find it
2016-01-24 22:26 <nebadon> if its showing up
2016-01-24 22:26 <SethN> Seems this has happend on a few regions in OSgrid recently and now in another grid for the same person
2016-01-24 22:27 <SethN> yeah, tried that and not much useful information to go by
2016-01-24 22:27 <SethN> Looks like it is going to be a manual process
2016-01-24 22:27 <SethN> A timestamp on rez would make this much easier when it happens.  Would be a simple task then.
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2016-01-25 23:27 <AliciaRaven> biggest hard drive i ever seen...
2016-01-25 23:27 <AliciaRaven> https://twitter.com/WorldAndScience/status/690163190567567360
2016-01-25 23:31 <nebadon> one of my first jobs was at a warehouse where we would reclaim old IBM mainframes and servers, we had I think it was a 15mb IBM hard drive it must have weight 120 pounds was about twice the size of a microwave
2016-01-25 23:32 <nebadon> not as big as the one in that picture, but it was kind of funny, even though at the time 100mb hard drive was huge, it was still kind of shocking to see
2016-01-25 23:32 <Plugh> I wonder what the technology was in that 1956 hard drive assembly.
2016-01-25 23:32 <AliciaRaven> hehe so glad that tech has advanced so fast
2016-01-25 23:33 <nebadon> i remember in highschool being amazed that the price of hard drives had come down to 1$ a mb
2016-01-25 23:33 <nebadon> lol
2016-01-25 23:34 <AliciaRaven> lol
2016-01-25 23:34 <AliciaRaven> my interest came late, my first drive was 800 mb
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2016-01-25 23:35 <AliciaRaven> remember people then saying it was huge compared to what they had just a few years earlier
2016-01-25 23:35 <nebadon> my first PC was a 286-12 mhz I think it had a like 20mb or 30mb hard drive
2016-01-25 23:36 <Plugh> I'd like to chime in with a few things on this talk but my dinner is ready. bbl.
2016-01-25 23:36 <nebadon> back then you only really put your OS on the hard disk
2016-01-25 23:36 <nebadon> and ran everything from floppies
2016-01-25 23:36 <AliciaRaven> was amazed today when i got a usb drive thats so small it just looks like an empty usb connector lol
2016-01-25 23:37 <nebadon> yea my raspberry pi2 is like 5000 times faster than my first PC
2016-01-25 23:37 <AliciaRaven> i feel i missed out because i started on win95
2016-01-25 23:37 <nebadon> i actually started on c64
2016-01-25 23:39 <nebadon> it all seemed so magical then :)
2016-01-25 23:40 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, can i pm u a quick question?
2016-01-25 23:41 <nebadon> sure
2016-01-26 00:38 <Plugh> My first Windows was Windows 3.1, IIRC.
2016-01-26 00:40 <AliciaRaven> i was asked to fix a 3.1 machine soon after i started, i took one look and thought museum piece, even tho 95 was the latest lol
2016-01-26 00:40 <Plugh> I had used several versions of DOS before Win3.1
2016-01-26 00:40 <AliciaRaven> i only used dos when windows broke
2016-01-26 00:41 <Plugh> Biggest disk platters I had seen were the 12"(?) ones that were used in a PDP 11/34
2016-01-26 00:42 <AliciaRaven> ah my cat is attacking my head phone cable brb
2016-01-26 00:43 <AliciaRaven> eh cant move my head without getting pounced on lol
2016-01-26 00:44 <AliciaRaven> but yea, that picture, i didnt know they had hdd in the 50s, i thought back then it was all tape machines
2016-01-26 00:44 <Plugh> I wish my cat felt like playing.
2016-01-26 00:51 <Plugh> My cat has been ill for the last few weeks. Its been a battle getting him to eat or drink.
2016-01-26 00:53 <AliciaRaven> Plugh sorry to hear that :( hope he gets well soon
2016-01-26 00:54 <Plugh> I do too but he doesn't seem to be getting that much better. Last couple days seem to be worse in terms of food and water. Three days ago he ate a lot more and seemed to be a bit more back to normal but yesterday was a few steps back.
2016-01-26 00:55 <AliciaRaven> before this was he drinking alot more than usual?
2016-01-26 00:56 <AliciaRaven> with cats i know kidney problems are very common, its one of the signs that they drink alot
2016-01-26 00:57 <Plugh> No. Before this he had gotten to where he was throwing up after just about every meal. We've already had the mobile vet in about 3 times. He is being treated for Pancreatitis but the vet isn't 100% sure that is the problem.
2016-01-26 00:58 <AliciaRaven> my cat used to be sick alot but she hasnt now in months, even when she eats curry
2016-01-26 01:00 <Plugh> Mine has stopped being sick and keeps down what little food he eats.
2016-01-26 01:06 <Plugh> I'm being distracted again. I was starting to work out measurements for a small mini USB connector I have to make sure the holes for the PCB footprint are the right sizes and in the right place.
2016-01-26 01:08 <AliciaRaven> hehe havnt worked with PCB and solder since high school
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2016-01-26 01:08 <Plugh> I haven't really stopped since I started around high school.
2016-01-26 01:11 <Plugh> Its just tricky as I'm making footprints for a part I have. The part is so small it is hard to get measurements and those measurements have to be accurate. Fortunately I bought some digital calipers a couple years ago. I'm putting them to good use.
2016-01-26 01:30 <Plugh> My 3D model indicates a couple measurements are a little off. The width of the four tabs are off by about 0.03" and the spacing between pairs of tabs is off by about 0.02".
2016-01-26 01:31 <AliciaRaven> inches? im european so i only know metric, only one thing we measure in inches over here lol
2016-01-26 01:32 <Plugh> I'm not even going to ask. :)   hehe
2016-01-26 01:32 <AliciaRaven> lol best not
2016-01-26 01:32 <Plugh> well, we use metric here too but I sill tend to work in inches for things. This PCB work is actually a mix of inches and mm.
2016-01-26 01:33 <Plugh> Some of the components have measurements that work out better in mm but the PCB is usually done in inches.
2016-01-26 01:33 <AliciaRaven> in america inches are used more oftern arnt they?
2016-01-26 01:34 <AliciaRaven> gets confusing, glad sl and opensim are in meters tho
2016-01-26 01:34 <Plugh> They are in the US.
2016-01-26 01:34 <AliciaRaven> ur in US arnt u? or am i getting mixed up
2016-01-26 01:34 <Plugh> Canada is a bit of both.
2016-01-26 01:35 <Plugh> No, I'm north of there.
2016-01-26 01:35 <AliciaRaven> ah srry
2016-01-26 01:37 <AliciaRaven> seems like alot of opensim users are canadian, not just saying that because of great canadian grid, refugee grid is also canadian
2016-01-26 01:39 <Plugh> ok. I go to the GCG now and then and I've occasionally talked with Roddie who runs it. I don't know about Refugee grid but I am already in enough worlds I don't need to deal with any more.
2016-01-26 01:40 <AliciaRaven> what? u dont go to all 300+? lol
2016-01-26 01:41 <Plugh> hehe
2016-01-26 01:42 <Plugh> There are a few I was in briefly that no longer exist. One I forgot what it was called so I haven't been there since shortly after I first went there. I'm still in about 8 grids.
2016-01-26 01:43 <Plugh> Not all that active in any of them except for a couple.
2016-01-26 01:43 <AliciaRaven> i only have 3 avatars, and that includes sl
2016-01-26 01:43 <AliciaRaven> havnt been there in ages
2016-01-26 01:47 <Plugh> 
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2016-01-26 01:47 <Plugh> yea, I don't go in to SL very often.
2016-01-26 01:47 <Plugh> I still know people there so once in a while I like to pop in and say hi.
2016-01-26 01:52 <Plugh> oh, I was off a bit on the errors on those measurements a while ago. I'm off by 0.003" and 0.002".
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2016-01-26 08:15 <JeffKelley> http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2016/01/firestorm-lead-recommends-alchemy-viewer-for-opensim/
2016-01-26 08:15 <JeffKelley> « there’s a lack of information coming out of the OpenSim developers »
2016-01-26 08:16 <JeffKelley> wrong channel, i'm confused
2016-01-26 10:22 <osmantis> Bug #7823:04 LSL HTTP server fails when recompiling another script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7823 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-01-26 11:37 <osmantis> Bug #7818:04 OpenSim http server broken on 0.9.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7818 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2016-01-26 11:37 <osmantis> Bug #7818:04 OpenSim http server broken on 0.9.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7818 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2016-01-26 12:36 <osmantis> Bug #7817:04 file_get_contents no longer works with 0.9.x on simstatus page 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7817 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2016-01-26 20:46 <nebadon> nice Ubit, im updating Medusa now
2016-01-26 20:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #4591 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-01-26 20:47 <JeffKelley> i can't find the option
2016-01-26 20:47 <Ubit> working on the ini file..
2016-01-26 20:47 <nebadon> nice
2016-01-26 20:47 <nebadon> im at Medusa and I only see immediate neighbors again
2016-01-26 20:47 <nebadon> no crash
2016-01-26 20:48 <nebadon> danbanner also reported major lag at Teravus plaza
2016-01-26 20:48 <nebadon> i suspect its the same issue
2016-01-26 20:48 <nebadon> just too many regions visible
2016-01-26 20:49 <nebadon> im updating Teravus Plaza now too
2016-01-26 20:51 <JeffKelley> i don't see the regions at loc+2 anymore
2016-01-26 20:52 <nebadon> yes if you want to see that you will have to adjust the ini
2016-01-26 20:52 <JeffKelley> tx Ubit
2016-01-26 20:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4591: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4591/
2016-01-26 20:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add option MaxRegionsViewDistance to control the maximum range to tell viewer to connect to Neighbour regions, since that is diferent from view range
2016-01-26 20:55 <Ubit> hope this works.. could not test much :)
2016-01-26 20:55 <nebadon> its working great
2016-01-26 20:56 <nebadon> no crash at Medusa
2016-01-26 20:56 <JeffKelley> works here
2016-01-26 20:56 <nebadon> been flying around and waiting for several minutes now
2016-01-26 20:56 <Ubit> this is something needed for future also
2016-01-26 20:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #4592 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-01-26 20:56 <nebadon> ya good stuff, thanks a bunch
2016-01-26 20:58 <Ubit> ok taking a break to dinner :)
2016-01-26 20:58 <nebadon> k
2016-01-26 21:00 <nebadon> im not feeling any kind of lag at Teravus Plaza now, have to see what dan thinks when he is off work
2016-01-26 21:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4592: SUCCESS in 5 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4592/
2016-01-26 21:01 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  update OpenSimDefaults.ini
2016-01-26 21:01 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  make sure MaxRegionsViewDistance is lower than MaxDrawDistance
2016-01-26 21:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #4593 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-01-26 21:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4593: SUCCESS in 5 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4593/
2016-01-26 21:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  accept mantis 7785 requests, at least until bullet can be also be used fix landing height. (could not test)
2016-01-26 21:50 <osmantis> Bug #7819:04 volume detect and collisions do not work proprely 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7819 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-26 21:55 <osmantis> Bug #7795:04 When rezzed, NPCs drift to edge of sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7795 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-01-26 23:37 <osmantis> Bug #7795:04 When rezzed, NPCs drift to edge of sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7795 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-27 08:46 <osmantis> Bug #7817:04 file_get_contents no longer works with 0.9.x on simstatus page 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7817 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-27 09:33 <osmantis> Bug #7817:04 file_get_contents no longer works with 0.9.x on simstatus page 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7817 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-01-27 09:38 <djphil> ping Ubit
2016-01-27 14:36 <osmantis> Bug #7824:04 OSSL json functions return System.Collections.Hashtable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7824 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-01-27 14:59 <osmantis> Bug #7824:04 OSSL json functions return System.Collections.Hashtable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7824 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2016-01-27 15:04 <osmantis> Bug #7824:04 OSSL json functions return System.Collections.Hashtable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7824 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2016-01-27 15:13 <osmantis> Bug #7825:04 Problem with some fonts using dynamic texture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7825 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-01-27 15:36 <osmantis> Bug #7824:04 OSSL json functions return System.Collections.Hashtable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7824 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-01-27 15:51 <osmantis> Bug #7789:04 Implement HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH in llHTTPRequest 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7789 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-01-27 16:25 <boann> is sombody know where i cab get free mysql server for testing ?
2016-01-27 16:37 <Plugh> djphil: I'm curious what you do with llHTTPRequest where the limit on the amount of data you can pass is a problem for you.
2016-01-27 16:39 <djphil> I have several sample scripts in my region, you are welcome
2016-01-27 16:39 <Plugh> Knowing about specific situations requiring passing of more data than is currently allowed would help your case to have a version without a limit.
2016-01-27 16:41 <Plugh> Where would I find your region and these sample scripts?
2016-01-27 16:41 <djphil> i made some script using google sheets datas ...
2016-01-27 16:42 <djphil> another one to get json data from github (with api v3)
2016-01-27 16:45 <djphil> only one work fine for now, the shoutcast stream info borad :)
2016-01-27 16:48 <djphil> it is frustrating :s
2016-01-27 16:49 <djphil> This satisfies your curiosity ?
2016-01-27 16:52 <Plugh> um... sorry, not quite. What sort of data are you getting from github that is more than 16k of data and is useful to an inworld script?
2016-01-27 16:53 <Plugh> It might help if I saw the scripts in action.
2016-01-27 16:54 <djphil> you are welcome on my region in OSGrid
2016-01-27 16:54 <djphil> github data are cool to made a inword github commits info board
2016-01-27 16:55 <djphil> same with twitter, facebook, google+ etc ...
2016-01-27 16:55 <djphil> juste some exemples ...
2016-01-27 16:58 <Plugh> I think part of the reason for a limit is history. In SL scripts have a limit as to how much memory they can use. Try to use too much and the script will crash. 
2016-01-27 17:40 <SethN> I would think that an external page that gets rendered on a prim may be a better fit for something like that instead of parsing the data directly in LSL and trying to show it.
2016-01-27 17:44 <djphil> good idea to display data on a 2D panel while we are in 3D
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2016-01-28 12:31 <osmantis> Bug #7209:04 [Script] PRIM_OMEGA return no values 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7209 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-01-28 12:32 <djphil> with regard to this Mantis #7209
2016-01-28 12:32 <djphil> I note that in OS v0.9.x the problem persists
2016-01-28 12:32 <djphil> Is this also the case on Avination?
2016-01-28 12:55 <nebadon> it worked prior to 0.9?
2016-01-28 12:57 <djphil> no
2016-01-28 12:57 <djphil> mantis is from 2014 ...
2016-01-28 12:57 <nebadon> k
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2016-01-28 18:10 <djphil> ping nebadon
2016-01-28 18:10 <djphil> how you made 9 material panel ?
2016-01-28 18:10 <djphil> (9_material_strip_01)
2016-01-28 18:11 <djphil> how you made 9 if limit is 8 ?
2016-01-28 18:11 <djphil> inword i see it is a linked prim
2016-01-28 18:12 <djphil> but in blender i see only one mesh, no group, no parent
2016-01-28 18:12 <nebadon> yes its materials
2016-01-28 18:12 <djphil> how you can made 9 if the limit by mesh is 8 for SL
2016-01-28 18:13 <nebadon> it should only be 8
2016-01-28 18:13 <nebadon> where did you get it from?
2016-01-28 18:13 <djphil> normally de face 9 must be transparent ...
2016-01-28 18:14 <djphil> from ... mmm good question :)
2016-01-28 18:14 <djphil> mom
2016-01-28 18:14 <djphil> there somewhere
2016-01-28 18:14 <djphil> http://nebadon2025.com/here .../
2016-01-28 18:16 <djphil> i remeber in the same place you have 1x8, 2x4 and 1 x 9
2016-01-28 18:16 <djphil> 8_material_2x4_01.zip, 8_material_strip_01.zip and 9_material_strip_01
2016-01-28 18:17 <djphil> ok i found in my google history
2016-01-28 18:17 <djphil> http://onikenkon.com/blender/
2016-01-28 18:19 <nebadon> i must have just been experimenting
2016-01-28 18:19 <nebadon> in blender there is really no limit I think i was doing a test for someone
2016-01-28 18:19 <djphil> yep no limit in blender
2016-01-28 18:19 <djphil> but opensim limit to 8
2016-01-28 18:20 <djphil> i have imported your mesh inword
2016-01-28 18:20 <djphil> and i see is a linked mesh
2016-01-28 18:20 <djphil> but in blender i see isn't 2 mesh or parented or grouped ...
2016-01-28 18:20 <djphil> is only one in blender too
2016-01-28 18:21 <djphil> so i don't understand why is a linked inword ...
2016-01-28 18:21 <djphil> and why face 9 isn't transparent due to the limitation
2016-01-28 18:21 <djphil> how this mesh is builded :) ???
2016-01-28 18:21 <djphil> i what to know "The secret" :)
2016-01-28 18:22 <nebadon> nothing fancy, i just applied 9 materials to 1 mesh
2016-01-28 18:23 <djphil> hmmm strange !
2016-01-28 18:23 <nebadon> what viewer are you uploading it with?
2016-01-28 18:23 <djphil> FS
2016-01-28 18:23 <djphil> with full lod and lod physics in ubODE
2016-01-28 18:24 <djphil> i add one color by face
2016-01-28 18:24 <jakdaniels__> I thought if a mesh has more than 8 materials then the viewer creates linked prims and assigns the extra materials randomly to the linked prim. It never does it consistently.
2016-01-28 18:24 <djphil> that new jakdaniels__ ?
2016-01-28 18:25 <jakdaniels__> or am I mixing up faces and materials?
2016-01-28 18:25 <djphil> in the pst if you make 9 materials the mesh in not 2 mesh after import
2016-01-28 18:25 <djphil> is one with 8 visible face and one invisible face
2016-01-28 18:26 <djphil> that strange, i ni understand what happen
2016-01-28 18:26 <jakdaniels__> but then I also read that linden labs was looking to relax the 8 face rule and allow an arbitary number of faces to a mesh in a newer version of the viewer. I don't know if that ever happened?
2016-01-28 18:27 <djphil> i will try to create a new one with 9 mat to see if i understand better what happen
2016-01-28 18:28 <djphil> if it is a new viewer feature, it's cool
2016-01-28 18:33 <djphil> ok same with the mesh i just made
2016-01-28 18:34 <djphil> 9 materials for one mesh in blender = 9 materials with 2 mesh in OS
2016-01-28 18:34 <djphil> the viewer split the mesh
2016-01-28 18:34 <djphil> that new ...
2016-01-28 18:35 <jakdaniels__> So anything greater than 8 and it's split into 2 linked meshes, but I bet each time you upload it, the split will be different
2016-01-28 18:35 <jakdaniels__> as to which faces go to which mesh
2016-01-28 18:35 <djphil> hehe i see "ALL_SIDS" for "mat 9"
2016-01-28 18:36 <djphil> yeh probablu the split is different every time
2016-01-28 18:36 <djphil> or not if viewer do the split ar 8
2016-01-28 18:37 <djphil> 9 is allways the segond mesh
2016-01-28 18:37 <djphil> seco,d*
2016-01-28 18:37 <djphil> arfff second*
2016-01-28 18:38 <jakdaniels__> try using radegast to upload and see what happens then ;) I guess the 8 limit is possibly viewer side when rendering, which is why the upload does that
2016-01-28 18:38 <jakdaniels__> but I don't think radegast will split it on upload
2016-01-28 18:38 <djphil> ho yeah, radegast
2016-01-28 18:38 <djphil> Radegast is up to date ?
2016-01-28 18:39 <djphil> i try Singu just now
2016-01-28 18:39 <jakdaniels__> mostly, but it has some problems uploading mesh textures when the mesh is made with blender and the mesh uses 'samplers' and 'surfaces'
2016-01-28 18:41 <jakdaniels__> but I wrote a libomv commandline mesh upload client that fixed that problem https://github.com/JakDaniels/libOMVClients
2016-01-28 18:41 <djphil> with singularity, face 9 is transparent
2016-01-28 18:41 <djphil> only one mesh inword
2016-01-28 18:42 <djphil> +1 for Firestorm
2016-01-28 18:42 <djphil> :p
2016-01-28 18:43 <djphil> of course it is better to cut your previously mesh yourself in blender
2016-01-28 18:43 <djphil> no "Secret" just a new feature !!!
2016-01-28 18:46 <djphil> have you made some new module jakdaniels__ ?
2016-01-28 19:03 <jakdaniels__> um, not since the birds one. I did start one called OpenSimTrueCraft which made minecraft style landscapes out of mesh cubes (using the TrueCraft C# engine), but I don't think I uploaded it to github, and also at the time I found that SOG.DetachFromBackup() was broken so I couldn't get it to make non persistent prims. Also making 256x256m area out of mesh cubes is a lot of prims, so the idea was to combine all the cubes of each type 
2016-01-28 19:03 <jakdaniels__> (e.g. soil, dirt, grass, rock etc) into bigger meshes.... but I never got that far ;) Real work that earns $ has got in the way since then :)
2016-01-28 19:05 <Plugh> jakdaniels__: It would only be 65536 cubes. Nothing wrong with that. ;)
2016-01-28 19:05 <jakdaniels__> its the render time sending all that to the viewer that is the killer
2016-01-28 19:06 <jakdaniels__> and also atm I could not stop it all persisting to the db
2016-01-28 19:06 <jakdaniels__> I used mesh cubes with minimum triangles rather than prims in an attempt to speed up rendering ;)
2016-01-28 19:07 <Plugh> There are temp rezzer. IIRC, there is a function call that can rez temporary objects but rezzing an entire region from a rezzer would take a while.
2016-01-28 19:07 <djphil> hehe mincraft in opensim
2016-01-28 19:08 <jakdaniels__> yeah crazy idea I know.... but it was more about trying to make some kind of procedural landscape generator
2016-01-28 19:11 <jakdaniels__> Plugh: it can be more than 65536 cubes.... basically you render a cube that has at least one side touching air... this allows for tunnels and caves...
2016-01-28 19:12 <jakdaniels__> cubes that are surrounded by other cubes of course don't need to be rendered
2016-01-28 19:12 <djphil> infinite procedural terrain is cool
2016-01-28 19:23 <Plugh> jakdaniels: Sounds like something nebadon would do. He likes rendering loads of cubes.
2016-01-28 19:23 <Plugh> s/cubes/prims/
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2016-01-28 21:03 <CrasherRob> Is llSetScriptState(scriptName, FALSE) supposed to persist over a region restart? It seems like the change event is being driven and scripts restarted even though they're stopped. 
2016-01-28 21:18 <Plugh> Script states weren't being saved at one point. I don't remember which version of OS fixed that. It might just be fixed in master.
2016-01-28 21:21 <CrasherRob> Plugh I'm using a two week old version. 
2016-01-28 21:23 <CrasherRob> Do I need to set DeleteScriptsAtStartup = false in OpenSim.ini to get the behavior I want?
2016-01-28 21:36 <Plugh> I'm not sure it would make a difference. Easily tested.
2016-01-28 21:36 <nebadon> nah, thats just the dlls
2016-01-28 21:37 <nebadon> the states should still persist, it just takes a lot longer for region to start with it set to true
2016-01-28 21:37 <nebadon> it will compile the dlls every startup
2016-01-28 21:37 <nebadon> its good if you are debugging and making changes to code a lot
2016-01-28 21:37 <nebadon> but for normal operations its overkill
2016-01-28 21:37 <nebadon> changes to the C# core code that is
2016-01-28 21:37 <nebadon> not LSL
2016-01-28 21:47 <CrasherRob> Maybe this has changed: lslWiki.net says nothing about region restart, but wiki.secondlife.com says that "the script's memory is reset" in this case. I presume that they actually meant to say that the script is reset rather than the only the script's memory. 
2016-01-28 21:49 <CrasherRob> Plugh Yea, I just tested it. No difference. 
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2016-01-29 01:22 <djphil> anyone know where the "Landing Point" in opensim database ??
2016-01-29 01:22 <djphil> i search on "land" and "region" but don't found
2016-01-29 01:23 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Database:Documentation
2016-01-29 01:23 <djphil> Perhaps he does not call himself "Landing Point" in the database
2016-01-29 01:23 <djphil> hmmm
2016-01-29 01:26 <SethN> Under land, fields UserLocationX, UserLocationY I think
2016-01-29 01:27 <djphil> yeah maybee
2016-01-29 01:27 <djphil> you are sure ?
2016-01-29 01:27 <SethN> Let me quickly compare the fields to what is actually set
2016-01-29 01:27 <djphil> probably yes, with lookat too
2016-01-29 01:28 <SethN> Those fields match what I have set for the parcel
2016-01-29 01:29 <djphil> ty
2016-01-29 01:29 <SethN> LookAt fields are there too, yes
2016-01-29 01:29 <SethN> yw
2016-01-29 07:24 <osmantis> Bug #6875:04 llHTTPResponse malformed header 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6875 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-01-29 11:50 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-01-29 23:22 <nebadon> Ubit got around to testing the Torus coaster at Newton on OSgrid, having difficulties getting a complete run with it
2016-01-29 23:22 <nebadon> very sticky feeling
2016-01-29 23:23 <nebadon> with ubODE that is
2016-01-29 23:23 <nebadon> i cant get through the first loop 
2016-01-29 23:25 <nebadon> nice, the Physical Chain link works in ubODE too
2016-01-29 23:25 <nebadon> doh, spoke to soon maybe lol
2016-01-29 23:25 <nebadon> it worked for a minute or two, then it snapped
2016-01-29 23:26 <nebadon> trying ball drop test with 4 emitters
2016-01-29 23:27 <nebadon> heh getting wierd at around 300 spheres
2016-01-29 23:28 <nebadon> spheres are violently rocketing towards borders, very strange
2016-01-29 23:40 <JeffKelley> in ubode, a projectile of given impulse will follow a same parabola, while in bullet there are two possible pathes
2016-01-29 23:41 <nebadon> ya this is just my Physics Arena ball drop test, with 3 chutes and one that falls onto pyramid, all the spheres end up in a contained pit
2016-01-29 23:41 <nebadon> the balls were violently shooting out of the spiral down chutes
2016-01-29 23:41 <nebadon> in all directions
2016-01-29 23:42 <Plugh> hey, nebadon. 
2016-01-29 23:42 <Plugh> nebadon: Have you tried running OS using mono 4.2.2?
2016-01-29 23:43 <nebadon> im actually using 4.3.3 at the moment
2016-01-29 23:43 <nebadon> working great
2016-01-29 23:43 <Plugh> ok. I just got an update for 4.2.1 to 4.2.2.30
2016-01-29 23:44 <nebadon> im running github mono master practically
2016-01-29 23:44 <nebadon> from within last 2 days
2016-01-29 23:44 <Plugh> 
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2016-01-29 23:44 <nebadon> I just reloaded my 8 core amd server
2016-01-29 23:44 <nebadon> with OpenSuSE Leap 42.1
2016-01-29 23:44 <Plugh> ok. I'll give this latest distro update of mono a shot and see what happens. I have forgotten why I couldn't use mono 4 and set things up to use 3.
2016-01-29 23:45 <nebadon> just bringing my regions back up today, they have been down for a few days
2016-01-29 23:45 <Plugh> 
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2016-01-29 23:45 <nebadon> the video card in this machine bit the dust, was waiting on a replacement, finally came today
2016-01-29 23:45 <Plugh> oh, that sucks. 
2016-01-29 23:45 <nebadon> had an aincent 9800 GT in it, fan finally started making horrible grinding sound, then it stopped spinning
2016-01-29 23:45 <Plugh> That's when you start doing ssh -X in to the machine. :)
2016-01-29 23:46 <nebadon> the card was really old
2016-01-29 23:46 <nebadon> yea thats how i backed it up
2016-01-29 23:46 <Plugh> ah, ok. Yea, its often the fans that fail.
2016-01-29 23:46 <nebadon> i got a low end AMD video card, decided to go full tilt
2016-01-29 23:46 <nebadon> lol
2016-01-29 23:46 <Plugh> I went through three power supplies on a Pentium II machine due to fan failure.
2016-01-29 23:47 <nebadon> i cant complain though, kind of surprised with the video card, its pretty good
2016-01-29 23:47 <OtakuMegane_> Fan blooowwww
2016-01-29 23:47 <Plugh> OtakuMegane_: :)
2016-01-29 23:47 <nebadon> its an XFX r7 360
2016-01-29 23:47 <nebadon> radeon
2016-01-29 23:48 <Plugh> I'm still waiting for the LCD touch panel that I will use with my Pi 2B.
2016-01-29 23:48 <nebadon> nice
2016-01-29 23:48 <Plugh> I don't have a spare monitor that works which I can use by he workbench so that is an alternative way to do somethings without always using the Pi via SSH.
2016-01-29 23:50 <nebadon> nice
2016-01-29 23:51 <Plugh> Sometimes its a pain buying things from China when the part winds up on a slow boat from there. Estimated delivery Tue, Feb 02 - Mon, Feb 22
2016-01-29 23:51 <Plugh> :P
2016-01-29 23:51 <Plugh> Ordered the item on Jan 10.
2016-01-29 23:52 <nebadon> yea stuff sits at customs for a while
2016-01-29 23:53 <nebadon> i remember i was working with a company in alberta, had trouble with a server, so i had them mail it to me in Arizona, it got stuck at customers for like 3 weeks
2016-01-29 23:53 <nebadon> totally sucked
2016-01-29 23:53 <nebadon> customers=customs*
2016-01-29 23:54 <Plugh> 
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2016-01-29 23:54 <nebadon> i could have driven to alberta, fixed the server and driven back faster
2016-01-29 23:54 <nebadon> lol
2016-01-29 23:54 <Plugh> yea
2016-01-29 23:55 <velusunivers-sys> Plugh, i ordered somethng from china and it too 2 months to arrive i forgot all about it till it turned up lol
2016-01-29 23:56 <Plugh> That can happen too. I had someone say they would resend a part because what I got wasn't exactly what was shown on their site. I asked them if they really do have the exact part shown but never heard back.
2016-01-29 23:57 <Plugh> The other day some new parts showed up. I didn't even know anything was being sent. Finally got the parts I have been trying to get.
2016-01-29 23:57 <Plugh> I had to get out the magnifying glass and angle the part just right under good lighting to read the part designation.
2016-01-29 23:59 <OtakuMegane_> International can be a crapshoot. Sometimes it's fast, sometimes...not.
2016-01-29 23:59 <Plugh> yeah. I have had some stuff from China arrive quickly. I always expect things to take quite a while so I can be pleasantly surprised when things show up sooner than expected.
2016-01-30 00:29 <diva_k> Melanie_T, Ubit: these region db migrations in the beginning are really getting on my nerves. Could we take this opportunity of having so many changes from Avinations to reduce the migrations and start with a clean schema?
2016-01-30 00:29 <Melanie_T> yes and no
2016-01-30 00:29 <Melanie_T> we can designate the 0.9 release a pivot version
2016-01-30 00:29 <diva_k> I like the yes part better :)
2016-01-30 00:30 <Melanie_T> or rather
2016-01-30 00:30 <Melanie_T> 0.8.2
2016-01-30 00:30 <Melanie_T> so people who come from further down the line, like 0.7.9
2016-01-30 00:30 <Melanie_T> in order to upgrade to 0.9
2016-01-30 00:30 <Melanie_T> need to upgrade to 0.8.2 
2016-01-30 00:30 <Melanie_T> then 0.9
2016-01-30 00:30 <diva_k> +1
2016-01-30 00:30 <Melanie_T> because we just cut away the migrations
2016-01-30 00:31 <Melanie_T> collapsed into a single create table per table
2016-01-30 00:31 <Melanie_T> creating the current schema
2016-01-30 00:31 <Melanie_T> we did this once before
2016-01-30 00:31 <Melanie_T> i did that with jstin
2016-01-30 00:31 <Melanie_T> i think it was in the 0.6.9->0.7.0 transition
2016-01-30 00:31 <diva_k> sounds like a good plan to me. This is really slowing me down. I just had to boot up an area with 35 sims, and it's taking me 1 hour!
2016-01-30 00:31 <Melanie_T> lolwut?!
2016-01-30 00:31 <diva_k> yeah
2016-01-30 00:32 <diva_k> because of the region migrations
2016-01-30 00:32 <diva_k> slow like hell
2016-01-30 00:32 <Melanie_T> yup pivot it is
2016-01-30 00:32 <diva_k> <3
2016-01-30 00:33 <diva_k> I'll look into cleaning up the migrations files. It's mostly the RegionStore that's a pita, but we may as well clean up everything else
2016-01-30 00:33 <Melanie_T> oh, that's dead easy
2016-01-30 00:33 <Melanie_T> let the migrations run on a fresh db once
2016-01-30 00:33 <Melanie_T> log into mysql
2016-01-30 00:33 <Melanie_T> and issue 
2016-01-30 00:33 <Melanie_T> show create table <name>
2016-01-30 00:34 <Melanie_T> copy that and paste it into the migrations file
2016-01-30 00:34 <Melanie_T> you WILL need to preserve the migration step numbers
2016-01-30 00:34 <diva_k> yep
2016-01-30 00:34 <Melanie_T> so our file will start at whatever the last step in 0.8.2 was
2016-01-30 00:34 <Melanie_T> +1
2016-01-30 00:34 <Melanie_T> we should check migrations to see if it needs those numbers presetnt but empty
2016-01-30 00:34 <Melanie_T> or just not there at all
2016-01-30 00:35 <Melanie_T> the prior ones
2016-01-30 00:35 <diva_k> k
2016-01-30 00:35 <diva_k> I'll look into it soon-ish
2016-01-30 03:02 <velusunivers-sys> hello all is there anyway to create a "tv" in the opensim, something that will get a live stream from a site to be showed on the tv.
2016-01-30 03:04 <Plugh> yes
2016-01-30 09:13 <SignpostMarv> 
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2016-01-30 09:16 <SignpostMarv> presently wondering who is most familiar with Prebuild ?
2016-01-30 11:49 <SignpostMarv> I'm wanting to convert an existing non-opensim project to use Prebuild because of reasons. First question is redistribution (copy/paste the bin/src vs. merge git history in vs git magic to spin Prebuild into separate repo), second question is getting prebuild to smoosh in metadata  for nuget?
2016-01-30 13:13 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-30 14:15 <velusunivers-sys> is there anyone any good with scripting here ?
2016-01-30 14:19 <AllenKerensky> I used to be okay or so-so at scripting - ask your question - I might be able to give a clue at least on the direction to look
2016-01-30 14:20 <velusunivers-sys> im wanting to have a script for a tv, it would need to be able to be put on and off, and also be able to stream from a external source i.e a icecast server
2016-01-30 14:21 <velusunivers-sys> there currently is only one channel but maybe will have more in future (so will need to template in a changing channel as well)
2016-01-30 14:22 <AllenKerensky> something like this might be a place to start: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Kephra_Nurmi/lsDeejay
2016-01-30 14:23 <AllenKerensky> but I doubt you will find something "ready made" that does exactly what you want
2016-01-30 14:23 <nebadon> i would be surprised if you can do video from an icecast server
2016-01-30 14:23 <AllenKerensky> you may have to hammer and chisel bits
2016-01-30 14:23 <nebadon> the only way I knew how to do it in the past was to use quicktime server
2016-01-30 14:23 <velusunivers-sys> i know i wont but im strying to figgure out how to do it. 
2016-01-30 14:23 <nebadon> the viewer only knows pretty specific formats
2016-01-30 14:23 <velusunivers-sys> icecast does cideo 
2016-01-30 14:23 <nebadon> yes, but encoding properly may not be possible
2016-01-30 14:24 <nebadon> it would need to be h264 in fairly low quality
2016-01-30 14:24 <AllenKerensky> yeah just transcode everything into a quicktime-compatible format before streaming
2016-01-30 14:24 <velusunivers-sys> i could use an encoder that would be able to help with problems
2016-01-30 14:24 <velusunivers-sys> what formats can the viewer handle ? can it not handle a stream its self?
2016-01-30 14:24 <nebadon> you need pretty much to be like 640x480 or 720x480 max at around no more than total kb rate of about 800k to 1000k in h264
2016-01-30 14:25 <AllenKerensky> The viewer relies on internal libraries that its linked to in order to process video
2016-01-30 14:25 <nebadon> you may have better luck doing it via MOAP
2016-01-30 14:25 <AllenKerensky> Here are the scripting commands are the core of handling video: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Category:LSL_Video
2016-01-30 14:25 <nebadon> if you are reliant on the traditional MEDIA url method your choices are small
2016-01-30 14:26 <AllenKerensky> Media scripting commands: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Category:LSL_Prim_Media
2016-01-30 14:26 <nebadon> the only way i knew of to do it was via quicktime server
2016-01-30 14:26 <nebadon> which isnt free
2016-01-30 14:26 <velusunivers-sys> what format can the viewer handle in video? 
2016-01-30 14:26 <AllenKerensky> icecast can do it - but you have to use transcode before hand to pre-set-up the right formats - you can't just point to any old file
2016-01-30 14:26 <velusunivers-sys> i know 
2016-01-30 14:26 <nebadon> doing it via MOAP might be significantly easier
2016-01-30 14:26 <nebadon> i already described above
2016-01-30 14:27 <nebadon> exactly what the viewer needs
2016-01-30 14:27 <nebadon> h264
2016-01-30 14:27 <nebadon> ir h264 :P
2016-01-30 14:27 <velusunivers-sys> your saying it needs a quicktime server, 
2016-01-30 14:27 <velusunivers-sys> oh ok 
2016-01-30 14:27 <nebadon> they are your 2 choices haha
2016-01-30 14:27 <AllenKerensky> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Encode_video
2016-01-30 14:27 <nebadon> technically i guess its anythign quicktime can support
2016-01-30 14:28 <nebadon> but if you want people in linux to see it too
2016-01-30 14:28 <AllenKerensky> nod nebadon
2016-01-30 14:28 <nebadon> then h264 is your only choice
2016-01-30 14:28 <AllenKerensky> you can also point the media streams at static quicktime supported formats like gif/jpeg/etc
2016-01-30 14:28 <AllenKerensky> I used to switch streams between battlemaps and stuff on my RPG table that way
2016-01-30 14:28 <AllenKerensky> when parcel media was all there was
2016-01-30 14:28 <nebadon> you really need a multiplexer to stream live
2016-01-30 14:29 <AllenKerensky> or a long loop of premixed content heh
2016-01-30 14:30 <nebadon> https://support.apple.com/kb/DL764?locale=en_US
2016-01-30 14:30 <nebadon> not sure if this is free now or what
2016-01-30 14:30 <nebadon> might need a key or something to use it, no idea
2016-01-30 14:30 <AllenKerensky> there's a free one that (used to) save only as MOV
2016-01-30 14:31 <AllenKerensky> for $30 you upgrade it to unlock all the conversion to other not-MOV formats
2016-01-30 14:31 <nebadon> ah that might be for cameras only
2016-01-30 14:31 <AllenKerensky> at least that's how it was in 2006 when I used to use QT/QTPro
2016-01-30 14:31 <nebadon> mov is ok I think
2016-01-30 14:31 <nebadon> as long as its the correct codec
2016-01-30 14:31 <nebadon> though that limits it to only windows and mac users which probably is fine
2016-01-30 14:31 <nebadon> 1 person wont see it perhaps lol
2016-01-30 14:32 <nebadon> that said you could use UStream or Twitch.tv and broadcast into MOAP screens
2016-01-30 14:32 <AllenKerensky> If you use the gstreamer plugins-bad I think you can decode it all okay
2016-01-30 14:32 <nebadon> i loathe using MOAP though myself
2016-01-30 14:32 <velusunivers-sys> you can use icecast with h.264 but you need to patch it for it lol 
2016-01-30 14:32 <nebadon> to be honest I sort of gave up on video in OpenSimulator in general
2016-01-30 14:32 <nebadon> i got tired of people crashing when i started videos
2016-01-30 14:32 <nebadon> and 1/2 the people complaining the screen is black
2016-01-30 14:33 <nebadon> MOAP is extremely unreliable as well
2016-01-30 14:33 <AllenKerensky> direct passthrough to unstable libraries on unstable video drivers
2016-01-30 14:33 <nebadon> 50% of people dont have flash installed
2016-01-30 14:33 <nebadon> MOAP doesnt support HTML video
2016-01-30 14:33 <nebadon> its basically impossible to do anything that everyone will be able to see
2016-01-30 14:34 <AllenKerensky> well with Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, and Google quietly squaring off to fight a war over VR, the next decade will likely see some churn in that
2016-01-30 14:34 <nebadon> id spent 90% of my time trying to help people just see the video so i decided to just abandon even trying anymore
2016-01-30 14:35 <AllenKerensky> but velusunivers-sys does all of this give you enough to get going?
2016-01-30 14:35 <nebadon> yea now instaed of just having 1 clean format to support we will have 4 or 5 completely shitty implenetations that will have zero similarity
2016-01-30 14:35 <nebadon> MOAP is probably the least painful
2016-01-30 14:36 <nebadon> about 50-60% of people will be able to just see it
2016-01-30 14:36 <velusunivers-sys> yeah a bit AllenKerensky thanks im looking at the dj implementaion to see if that would work
2016-01-30 14:36 <AllenKerensky> and then there will be some quirky open source "glue" trying to support all 4-5 closed formats hehehe
2016-01-30 14:36 <nebadon> traditional method basically anyone who doesnt have quicktime is out of luck
2016-01-30 14:36 <AliciaRaven2> i thought quicktime died years ago lol
2016-01-30 14:36 <nebadon> ya i dont have it installed
2016-01-30 14:36 <nebadon> i wouldnt be able to see most video in SL or opensim anymore
2016-01-30 14:37 <velusunivers-sys> what about WebM
2016-01-30 14:37 <nebadon> nope
2016-01-30 14:37 <nebadon> would need a modern WebKIT
2016-01-30 14:37 <AliciaRaven2> although mp4 containers are based on quicktime file format
2016-01-30 14:37 <nebadon> which LL made sure is impossible to do
2016-01-30 14:37 <nebadon> maybe in future viewers they release
2016-01-30 14:38 <nebadon> but chances are opensim probably wont see any of that
2016-01-30 14:38 <nebadon> I think our only hope is a completely new viewer
2016-01-30 14:38 <velusunivers-sys> if i had it as a MOAP what formats would i be able to use for it to view? does it have to be flash?
2016-01-30 14:38 <nebadon> pretty much yes
2016-01-30 14:39 <nebadon> the problem is MOAP experience is not the same across all viewers
2016-01-30 14:39 <nebadon> most of the time you have to provide a URL to whatever your streaming from so people can load it in Firefox or Chrome externally
2016-01-30 14:40 <nebadon> or they just dont see it
2016-01-30 14:40 <velusunivers-sys> hmmm 
2016-01-30 14:40 <nebadon> its bout 50% chance someone will see what you are doing
2016-01-30 14:40 <nebadon> thats about the best odds you will get
2016-01-30 14:40 <nebadon> kind of sucks
2016-01-30 14:40 <velusunivers-sys> so what are the full options i have for a inworld streaming tv?
2016-01-30 14:42 <AllenKerensky> parcel media and media on a prim
2016-01-30 14:42 <AllenKerensky> parcel media is basically quicktime based
2016-01-30 14:42 <AllenKerensky> media on a prim is based on displaying web formats, primarily by flash
2016-01-30 14:42 <nebadon> ya no html5
2016-01-30 14:43 <nebadon> LL webkit is aincent
2016-01-30 14:43 <nebadon> they are replacing it with something more modern, but im guessing opensim wont see that for a long time
2016-01-30 14:43 <nebadon> possible Kokua or Firestorm may eventually get it
2016-01-30 14:43 <nebadon> perhaps some of the more active in SL projects too, its really hard to say
2016-01-30 14:44 <nebadon> viewer development seems super dead, even though people keep telling me its not, im sure not seeing it happen anywhere obvious
2016-01-30 14:44 <AllenKerensky> i saw some notes that cool vl viewer was experimenting with some new library subsystem - thought it was a new media feature
2016-01-30 14:44 <nebadon> possible, LL was replacing webkit I think
2016-01-30 14:44 <nebadon> i forget the details now though
2016-01-30 14:45 <AllenKerensky> and henri wasn't the only one messing with it some other viewer devs have beta versions too I think
2016-01-30 14:45 <nebadon> http://blog.nalates.net/2015/09/26/second-life-webkit-being-replaced-by-cef-update/
2016-01-30 14:45 <nebadon> CEF
2016-01-30 14:45 <nebadon> they are replacing it with
2016-01-30 14:45 <AllenKerensky> that's the one
2016-01-30 14:45 <velusunivers-sys> would a mp4 stream onto a prim work?
2016-01-30 14:46 <nebadon> yes as long as all your users have quicktime installed
2016-01-30 14:46 <AllenKerensky> if the mp4 content is h.264 encoded
2016-01-30 14:46 <nebadon> linux users might get lucky if they have the magical formula for gstreamer
2016-01-30 14:46 <AllenKerensky> quicktime users and linux users with a full gstreamer plugin set could see it
2016-01-30 14:46 <AllenKerensky> jinx
2016-01-30 14:46 <nebadon> haha
2016-01-30 14:47 <velusunivers-sys> i dont have quicktime on my pc or laptop but i can see media on a prim ?
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2016-01-30 14:47 <AllenKerensky> hmm Cool VL Viewer is experimenting with coroutine HTTP and Bento / Avatar 2.0 skeletons
2016-01-30 14:47 <nebadon> yes but you cant stream mp4 directly to moap
2016-01-30 14:47 <nebadon> you need a flash player or maybe some kind of javascript player
2016-01-30 14:47 <AllenKerensky> moap would have to use a web page with an embedded flash viewer
2016-01-30 14:47 <AllenKerensky> or yeah maybe some javascriptfu
2016-01-30 14:48 <nebadon> twitch.tv is an option
2016-01-30 14:48 <nebadon> or ustream
2016-01-30 14:48 <nebadon> if you want to do live streams
2016-01-30 14:48 <AllenKerensky> and yeah nebadon - cool vl has a CEF3 plugin implementation "on par" with LL's - and I expect others will as well
2016-01-30 14:48 <nebadon> great
2016-01-30 14:48 <velusunivers-sys> so i cant have something like stream.domain.com/channel1/tv.mp4 as the stream it would have to be something like stream.domain.com/channel1/video.html?
2016-01-30 14:49 <nebadon> i might have to start using cool vl
2016-01-30 14:49 <nebadon> since singularity seems stalled
2016-01-30 14:49 <nebadon> i am not a fan of firestorm, even though i use it for stuff like machinima
2016-01-30 14:49 <nebadon> i sort of hate the layout otherwise
2016-01-30 14:49 <AllenKerensky> yeah as usual have 3-4 viewers handy for different things
2016-01-30 14:49 <nebadon> yea
2016-01-30 14:50 <nebadon> is the uRL for cool viewer sldev.free.fr?
2016-01-30 14:50 <AllenKerensky> yeah
2016-01-30 14:50 <nebadon> wow, hello 1994
2016-01-30 14:50 <AllenKerensky> same old ugly webpage
2016-01-30 14:50 <AllenKerensky> i prefer to think he was inspired by matt drudge
2016-01-30 14:50 <velusunivers-sys> so if i use a flash/js player i could use any codec to stream or would it still need the h.264
2016-01-30 14:51 <nebadon> it needs more flashing gifs though
2016-01-30 14:51 <AllenKerensky> not really sure velusunivers-sys it may take some experimentation
2016-01-30 14:51 <nebadon> yes any format that flash player supports
2016-01-30 14:51 <nebadon> which is basically h264
2016-01-30 14:51 <nebadon> lol
2016-01-30 14:51 <AllenKerensky> but the flash/js player should support whatever the hosts system supports
2016-01-30 14:52 <nebadon> I beleive flash has its own encapsulated codecs only
2016-01-30 14:52 <velusunivers-sys> i might go with js viewer which would be easier
2016-01-30 14:52 <nebadon> ya I dont know how much luck you will have there that will ultimately require experimentation
2016-01-30 14:52 <velusunivers-sys> so if i do would i need to do something like a simple page with just the player on it for to show the video/tv station
2016-01-30 14:52 <nebadon> and in that case might required the person have proper codecs
2016-01-30 14:53 <nebadon> im not sure windows can do h264 natively
2016-01-30 14:53 <AllenKerensky> windows can't even ssh natively
2016-01-30 14:53 <nebadon> i like to use x264vfw
2016-01-30 14:53 <nebadon> http://sourceforge.net/projects/x264vfw/
2016-01-30 14:53 <nebadon> what the hell
2016-01-30 14:54 <nebadon> Cool VL wants Snowglobe 1.4.2 archive?
2016-01-30 14:54 <nebadon> uhg
2016-01-30 14:54 <AllenKerensky> I don't envy the Gang of 4 trying to sort all this stuff for their VR pushes - its the HTML5 video fight over and over
2016-01-30 14:54 <nebadon> oh it will download if you dont have it
2016-01-30 14:54 <AllenKerensky> and yeah - it pulls it from the installer automatically
2016-01-30 14:54 <nebadon> i geuss thats slightly better
2016-01-30 14:54 <AllenKerensky> yeah its all install.exe friendly now
2016-01-30 14:54 <nebadon> ya i saw the browse button and was like wtf
2016-01-30 14:54 <nebadon> before i read
2016-01-30 14:54 <nebadon> lol
2016-01-30 14:55 <AllenKerensky> heck the source build make scripts do that to
2016-01-30 14:57 <nebadon> this feels very Hippo Viewerish
2016-01-30 14:57 <nebadon> heh
2016-01-30 14:57 <nebadon> ive never actually used it before 
2016-01-30 14:57 <AllenKerensky> heh yeah
2016-01-30 14:57 <AllenKerensky> its quirky like everything else
2016-01-30 14:57 <AllenKerensky> for me and my heavily hacked up linux box, its been the most stable, especially for keeping connection during network weirdness rather than crashing out
2016-01-30 14:59 <nebadon> I mostly use replex still
2016-01-30 14:59 <nebadon> kind of sad the website is gone now
2016-01-30 15:05 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-30 15:10 <nebadon> hmm ya this viewer is no good for me really im getting like 5fps
2016-01-30 15:10 <nebadon> no idea why
2016-01-30 15:11 <AllenKerensky> ooof
2016-01-30 15:11 <AllenKerensky> yeah there's something "on" in the default setup that isn't happy for your machine
2016-01-30 15:11 <nebadon> well i sort of know why
2016-01-30 15:11 <nebadon> lol
2016-01-30 15:12 <nebadon> 12 768x768 vars with about 200k prims and 1000+ textures
2016-01-30 15:12 <nebadon> all mesh terrain
2016-01-30 15:12 <nebadon> no doubt a bit beyond what this viewer is intended
2016-01-30 15:12 <nebadon> the water is flashing like crazy
2016-01-30 15:12 <nebadon> maybe my hardware is too good
2016-01-30 15:13 <nebadon> this machine has 970 GTX
2016-01-30 15:13 <nebadon> to new perhaps
2016-01-30 15:13 <AllenKerensky> or just some of the fixes and tweaks and draw distance bits in the render pipeline
2016-01-30 15:13 <nebadon> ya maybe
2016-01-30 15:13 <nebadon> we have the draw distance set for 1536
2016-01-30 15:14 <nebadon> so as soon as I log in I see the entire thing
2016-01-30 15:14 <nebadon> all 12 regions
2016-01-30 15:14 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-30 15:27 <Ubit>             m_ParcelOwnerIsGod = Util.GetConfigVarFromSections<bool>(config, "parcel_owner_is_god",
2016-01-30 15:27 <Ubit>                 new string[] { "Startup", "Permissions" }, true);
2016-01-30 15:27 <Ubit> why is parcel owner by default god ??
2016-01-30 15:27 <Ubit> and region owner is not?
2016-01-30 15:28 <AllenKerensky> ancient hacks that were never revisited?
2016-01-30 15:28 <Ubit> errr region owner is
2016-01-30 15:28 <Ubit> but parcel owner?
2016-01-30 15:29 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-30 15:31 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-30 15:32 <Ubit> well it is a default, ppl should change it
2016-01-30 15:32 <Ubit> but guess its a bad default option
2016-01-30 15:36 <Ubit> a declaration the opensim expects regions to have only one parcel one owner, one user? :p
2016-01-30 15:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #4594 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-01-30 15:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4594: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4594/
2016-01-30 15:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  change parcel_owner_is_god configuration option from default from true to false, leaving only region_owner true by default
2016-01-30 16:06 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-30 16:09 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-30 17:14 <SignpostMarv> anyone still awake from earlier ?
2016-01-30 17:36 <AllenKerensky> vaguely
2016-01-30 17:37 <SignpostMarv> have any experience tinkering with Prebuild.exe ?
2016-01-30 17:38 <AllenKerensky> sorry no
2016-01-30 17:42 <SignpostMarv> no probs
2016-01-30 19:22 <Plugh> SignpostMarv: What tinkering do you want to do to Prebuild?
2016-01-30 19:23 <SignpostMarv> was wanting to try and use it with a non-opensim project
2016-01-30 19:23 <SignpostMarv> they're currently using nuget to reference nunit, which makes prebuild choke because the package doesn't exist until you try building in visual studio & it auto-fetches your packages
2016-01-30 19:39 <SignpostMarv> also, I think I remember discussions a few years back on the mailing list/irc about how relatively few projects used prebuild ?
2016-01-30 19:49 <SignpostMarv> so even if I can figure out the nuget problem, there's the matter of whether to put the prebuild binaries in, copy/paste the source + binaries, or do git magic to spin the opensim version of prebuild into it's own project ?
2016-01-30 20:11 <paulie_Flomar> _omega13
2016-01-30 23:07 <JeffKelley> what is the latest libode source? OpenDynamicsEngine-0.13.1mod or OpenDynamicsEngine-r1755 ?
2016-01-30 23:11 <Plugh> SignpostMarv: Few projects using it might be related the amount of documentation available for Prebuild? Most projects I deal with aren't written in C# and I deal with ones to run under Linux so they don't use Prebuild.
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2016-01-31 00:20 <danbanner> JeffKelley: mod
2016-01-31 00:21 <danbanner> OpenDynamicsEngine-0.13.1mod has the latest changes ubit did
2016-01-31 00:21 <JeffKelley> i compiled -mod and it solved my DllNotFoundException
2016-01-31 00:22 <osmantis> Bug #7804:04 DllNotFoundException: lib64/libode-x86_64 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7804 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-01-31 00:24 <JeffKelley> omg, what MANTIS have done with my url
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2016-01-31 02:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #4595 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-01-31 02:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4595: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4595/
2016-01-31 02:14 <osjenkins> melanie: Replace the new ODE lib with one built against GLIBC 2.12. It's not our
2016-01-31 04:38 <osmantis> Bug #7804:04 DllNotFoundException: lib64/libode-x86_64 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7804 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-01-31 07:53 <boann> is sombody knwo where i can download this gridmap >> http://map.osgrid.org/
2016-01-31 09:25 <djphil> boann : http://download.osgrid.org/
2016-01-31 18:39 <osmantis> Bug #7826:04 Console Error re HG Groups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7826 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-01-31 21:55 <velusunivers-sys> hey AllenKerensky and nebadon would a webm in a media on a prim work with opensim
2016-01-31 22:10 <AllenKerensky> sorry velusunivers-sys you can try it, but I don't think the webm format is supported by the viewer HTML-processing libraries
2016-01-31 22:10 <velusunivers-sys> ok where are the libaries?
2016-01-31 22:13 <AllenKerensky> they are linked into the viewer itself 
2016-01-31 22:13 <AllenKerensky> i.e. the viewer doesn't support the HTML5 features needed to display webm
2016-01-31 22:14 <AllenKerensky> if I understand the viewer code correctly, its down to the version of webkit or other html processing library that the viewer is programmed to use
2016-01-31 22:14 <AllenKerensky> you would really need to take it up with LL or the open-source viewer devs to fully understand the "why"
2016-01-31 22:37 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-01-31 23:17 <nebadon> yea webm will not work
2016-01-31 23:17 <nebadon> im not even sure you could craft a viewer that would play webm in moap
2016-01-31 23:17 <nebadon> im fairly certain there isnt even <video> tag support 
2016-02-01 00:09 <velusunivers-sys> ok hmmm im at a loss with this then but i will find a way around it
2016-02-01 00:09 <velusunivers-sys> ill just stay with online and on pc for now and mobile ofc
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2016-02-01 17:16 <VelusUniverseSys> hello all 
2016-02-01 17:17 <VelusUniverseSys> is there any way of having a hud written in lsl send commands to a server?
2016-02-01 17:18 <VelusUniverseSys> i.e send info to something like sub.domain.com
2016-02-01 17:18 <nebadon> you can post to website
2016-02-01 17:18 <nebadon> could send data to php or something like that
2016-02-01 17:18 <VelusUniverseSys> ok thats cool
2016-02-01 17:18 <VelusUniverseSys> would it be able to recieve data too 
2016-02-01 17:19 <nebadon> yep
2016-02-01 17:19 <VelusUniverseSys> ok good 
2016-02-01 17:19 <nebadon> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/HTTP_Post_request_to_a_PHP_server
2016-02-01 17:19 <nebadon> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlHTTPRequest
2016-02-01 20:00 <VelusUniverseSys> thanks im lookinfg at it now
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2016-02-01 22:23 <VelusUniverseSys> hey nebadon you about/
2016-02-01 22:23 <VelusUniverseSys> ?
2016-02-01 22:30 <Plugh> VelusUniverseSys: Having problems with llHTTPRequest?
2016-02-01 22:30 <VelusUniverseSys> no wanted to know how he did something
2016-02-01 22:31 <VelusUniverseSys> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFy4kgN9z9k&feature=youtu.be this
2016-02-01 22:32 <Plugh> Oh, that. Um... what the heck was the name of that program again?? 
2016-02-01 22:35 <nebadon> yes gource
2016-02-01 22:35 <nebadon> is the program
2016-02-01 22:36 <Plugh> Oh, right. That's the name. I used to have that program installed on my computer.
2016-02-01 22:36 <nebadon> see the original here
2016-02-01 22:36 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmgdBaCcvt8
2016-02-01 22:36 <nebadon> it has the gource command line in the video description
2016-02-01 22:36 <Plugh> All I could remember was that the name started with a g.
2016-02-01 22:36 <nebadon> so you can see exactly how i made that video
2016-02-01 22:37 <VelusUniverseSys> ok thanks
2016-02-01 22:38 <nebadon> https://gist.github.com/nebadon2025/6a86a090c90a7e645c71
2016-02-01 22:38 <nebadon> http://gource.io/
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2016-02-02 18:25 <osmantis> Bug #7827:04 OpenSim not working. Crushes at launch. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7827 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-02-02 20:04 <seez> Hi devs. At the weekly meeting at Wright Plaza. Talking to Nebadon about the future!
2016-02-02 20:04 <seez> :-)
2016-02-02 20:08 <seez> I said I would copy this little paragraph into irc and so now I will.  Sorry for the wall of text.
2016-02-02 20:08 <seez> Dear devs, What you have created with opensim is a marvel. Your efforts are applauded every day in opensim. You have enabled people to create extraordinary virtual worlds, express themselves creatively, and for some people, opensim provides their only hope of a social life because they are not mobile. What would be most helpful right now?  Additional programmers? Money to fund you? Money spent on a viewer dev? The community to go away a
2016-02-02 20:08 <seez> leave you alone? Tea?
2016-02-02 20:19 <Melanie_> seez: and who is the one who said that in he meeting? you?
2016-02-02 20:34 <seez> YEs that was me.
2016-02-02 20:35 <seez> It was a pretty lively discussion re: opensim.  The chat log will be an interesting read I think.  We got to a good point of trying to figure something that might be actually useful to everyone.  I’d be curious to know what you think when you read the chatlog.
2016-02-02 20:39 <seez> Oh, “me” is SereneJewell.
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2016-02-03 16:47 <Plugh> Does anyone happen to know which is the latest (or last) version of Singularity that is reliable for use under Linux?
2016-02-03 16:49 <nebadon> the release
2016-02-03 16:49 <nebadon> works fine for me
2016-02-03 16:49 <Plugh> I'm also open to suggestions of other viewers other than Firestorm.
2016-02-03 16:49 <nebadon> I use Replex still
2016-02-03 16:50 <Plugh> I thought that seemed a little out of date but worth a shot. 
2016-02-03 16:50 <nebadon> it is perhaps a little
2016-02-03 16:50 <nebadon> but Singularity release isnt much different
2016-02-03 16:50 <Plugh> I try and do some work in a 5x5 var using FS and after a few minutes when I move a little I wind up sailing to the edge of the sim unable to stop.
2016-02-03 16:52 <Plugh> That's a real pain when I'm trying to enable all the way points on a train system.
2016-02-03 16:57 <nebadon> hmm usually for me floating off represents some kind of network issue
2016-02-03 19:09 <Plugh> Only seems to happen when I try and do work in a var.
2016-02-03 19:09 <Plugh> bbl. Its 12C outside. Going to take the cat for a walk.
2016-02-03 19:10 <nebadon> ya its nice here too, about the same, but raining, i took my bike out of storage today
2016-02-03 22:11 <colosi> Can anyone tell me what commit hash OpenSim version 0.8.2.1 (I believe the latest stable release) was built from?
2016-02-03 22:12 <nebadon> colosi > http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=shortlog&p=opensim&h=refs/heads/0.8.2-post-fixes
2016-02-03 22:12 <nebadon> it is the 0.8.2-post-fixes branch
2016-02-03 22:13 <colosi> Thank you nebadon
2016-02-03 22:13 <nebadon> :)
2016-02-03 22:17 <colosi> Spent the last couple hours trying to search for that.  30 seconds in irc and solved.
2016-02-03 22:17 <nebadon> :) glad I could help
2016-02-03 23:25 <colosi> nebadon, do you know why the 0.8.2 branch has not been merged back into master?
2016-02-03 23:28 <nebadon> it has
2016-02-03 23:28 <nebadon> you have it backwards
2016-02-03 23:28 <nebadon> patches from master go into post-fixes
2016-02-03 23:28 <nebadon> security fixes, and really important things that fix breakages
2016-02-03 23:28 <nebadon> everything is also in master
2016-02-03 23:29 <nebadon> that is why it tagged "Post Fixes"
2016-02-03 23:30 <nebadon> the .1 on the end just signifies there was 1 repackaging of the zip/tar
2016-02-03 23:30 <nebadon> thats pretty rare
2016-02-03 23:32 <colosi> okay, so I should trust that anything that looks like a divergent commit in the 0.8.2-post-fixes branch is actually a merge in of a fix from the master branch.
2016-02-03 23:33 <nebadon> yes, sometimes when you merge you can sort of get phantom commits
2016-02-03 23:33 <nebadon> git is wierd like that
2016-02-03 23:36 <colosi> I’m used to git being run where master is the stable branch, releases are a tag, and dev happens in branches which are eventually merged back in or pruned.  It’s a pretty complex codebase with a lot of contributors though.
2016-02-03 23:38 <nebadon> yea for us master git is developer/tester land :)
2016-02-03 23:38 <nebadon> sometimes we do dev in branches though
2016-02-03 23:38 <nebadon> if the work is super disruptive
2016-02-03 23:40 <colosi> cool.  I needed to know the exact commit of the release because we’re testing addons and building dlls for people and C# does not like linking properly when anything in another dll has changed.
2016-02-03 23:44 <colosi> Any reason why 0.8.2-post-fixes isn’t tagged 0.8.2.1?
2016-02-03 23:45 <nebadon> because like i said the .1 indicates a repackaging of the tar/zip
2016-02-03 23:45 <nebadon> if we add more to post-fixes and decided to roll it again it would be .2
2016-02-03 23:46 <nebadon> etc..
2016-02-03 23:46 <nebadon> but generally repacks are rare
2016-02-03 23:46 <nebadon> usually we just ask people to pull from the repo
2016-02-03 23:47 <colosi> True, but if I know that someone is running 0.8.2.1, once additional fixes are merged into the 0.8.2-post-fixes branch, I’ll no longer know what commit/version of OpenSim they are running.
2016-02-03 23:48 <colosi> I guess I could download the tar of the 0.8.2.1 release, buy my build server is much simpler to configure to build dll versions against multiple commit hashes in the repository.
2016-02-03 23:53 <colosi> For instance, I just recalled that some notes said that the 0.8.2.1 release was made on December 9th, so I’m guessing that the code packaged in 0.8.2.1 is actually from http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=497f575b9ba041f271ab2738344d016e5dad0c3e, not from the HEAD of the 0.8.2-post-fixes branch which was commited on December 24th.
2016-02-03 23:57 <nebadon> probably post-fixes is always kind of an ongoing thing, it does not necessarily line up with the tar/zip
2016-02-03 23:58 <nebadon> those last 2 patches are pretty much non-relevant, im not even sure why the last one made it to post-fixes
2016-02-03 23:58 <nebadon> the 2nd to last was to fix a version file to show correctly
2016-02-04 00:00 <colosi> yes, I see now that you change the version.flavour to release when you release, and then back to something else (in this case post-fixes)
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2016-02-04 00:32 <Plugh> 
ACTION wonders if the Replex viewer is another dead project

2016-02-04 00:32 <Plugh> I can't find its website to check if I have the latest version.
2016-02-04 00:36 <nebadon> yes website is gone but
2016-02-04 00:36 <nebadon> 1 sec
2016-02-04 00:37 <nebadon> https://github.com/replex-viewer/replex/releases
2016-02-04 00:37 <nebadon> there you go Plugh
2016-02-04 00:38 <Plugh> ok, ty. So 1.0.0 is the latest version even though it is from late 2014.
2016-02-04 00:38 <Plugh> It did allow me to go to the var and do what I needed to do.
2016-02-04 00:39 <nebadon> yes its not been worked on for some time
2016-02-04 00:39 <nebadon> but its very stable
2016-02-04 00:39 <nebadon> its my primary viewer still
2016-02-04 00:39 <Plugh> Now that I'm having issues with Firestorm its time to try other viewers.
2016-02-04 00:40 <nebadon> what kind of problem with Firestorm?
2016-02-04 00:40 <Plugh> I'll have a look in a while for the non-alpha release of Singularity and see how it is compared to the alpha.
2016-02-04 00:40 <nebadon> ya pretty sure singularity alpha is broken
2016-02-04 00:40 <nebadon> stick to the release
2016-02-04 00:40 <nebadon> i could be wrong though
2016-02-04 00:41 <Plugh> After being in a var for a few minutes where I'm doing building related activities I'm in the air and moving a few times, sometimes just a short distance away, and I find I wind up drifting to the edge of the var and can't stop.
2016-02-04 00:41 <nebadon> odd
2016-02-04 00:42 <Plugh> I tried to drive a motorcycle on a road in a var. After a couple of turns the motorcycle just continues in a straightline until I wind up at the edge of the var.
2016-02-04 00:42 <Ubit> bullet or a ode ?
2016-02-04 00:42 <Plugh> Bullet.
2016-02-04 00:42 <Ubit> well MB did changes on my code about updates to try to fix something like that...
2016-02-04 00:42 <Plugh> I find it very annoying.
2016-02-04 00:43 <Ubit> i kept those changes, even not liking much .. and possible didn't fix
2016-02-04 00:43 <Plugh> oh, this is with a grid running 0.8.0-post-fixes. I'll see how it goes soon with 0.8.2PF. Getting ready to do an upgrade of OS.
2016-02-04 00:43 <Ubit> well unless it also happens with the ode engines
2016-02-04 00:44 <Ubit> xii ok old code then :)
2016-02-04 00:44 <Plugh> Its interesting how different viewers handle things differently.
2016-02-04 00:44 <Ubit> that doesn't sound like viewer side
2016-02-04 00:44 <Plugh> They may share a certain amount of common code but must be different versions of the same code base.
2016-02-04 00:45 <Plugh> I call it viewer side as changing viewer makes the problem go away.
2016-02-04 00:45 <Ubit> guess some are at diferent stages of ll code integration
2016-02-04 00:45 <Plugh> Changing viewer while logging in to the same region of the same grid.
2016-02-04 00:45 <Plugh> yeah.
2016-02-04 00:45 <Ubit> that drift can be viewer interpolator 
2016-02-04 00:46 <Plugh> Could expect issues with FS and vars if there are no FS devs using OS. I wouldn't be surprised to find a lack of support for vars in the viewer.
2016-02-04 00:46 <Ubit> but then we did sent a non zero velocity somewhere
2016-02-04 00:46 <Ubit> think FS now has no devs that use opensim
2016-02-04 00:46 <Ubit> and some want to drop opensim suport
2016-02-04 00:47 <Ubit> a lot easier for them to just c&p LL code and be a cool viewer dev :p
2016-02-04 00:47 <Ubit> c&p devs :p
2016-02-04 00:49 <Ubit> but drift on a old  version?
2016-02-04 00:49 <Ubit> had ideia bullet drift issues showed up on recent tries to better suport pushs
2016-02-04 00:54 <colosi> Speaking of viewers, does core opensim ever open up new features/interfaces to eventually be adopted by viewers in active development?
2016-02-04 01:22 <nebadon> sure
2016-02-04 01:22 <nebadon> take a look at OnLook viewer
2016-02-04 01:23 <nebadon> http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/opensim/onlook-viewer/
2016-02-04 01:23 <nebadon> there has been work done to try to accomidate webgl as well
2016-02-04 01:23 <nebadon> with very limited success
2016-02-04 02:55 <colosi> Thanks nebadon.  I’ll take a look at OnLook.  Using Firestorm right now
2016-02-04 03:00 <Plugh> If you make an object no copy can you still have contents that are copy in 0.8.0? Might that be only possible in 0.8.2 or master?
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2016-02-04 16:43 <nebadon> http://www.thatimst3r.com/download-pk
2016-02-04 16:53 <AliciaRaven> great link nebadon, ty
2016-02-04 16:55 <nebadon> yw, saw it on G+ todauy
2016-02-04 16:55 <nebadon> i already have 1/2 the content uploaded
2016-02-04 16:55 <nebadon> its very nice quality, good low poly stuff
2016-02-04 16:59 <AliciaRaven> cool
2016-02-04 17:02 <AliciaRaven> good plants and trees are the most important part of a sim and hard to get
2016-02-04 17:02 <AliciaRaven> well not if its a moonscape lol
2016-02-04 17:02 <nebadon> haha ya
2016-02-04 17:02 <nebadon> i have a package of plants I want to purchase, vehicles too
2016-02-04 17:03 <nebadon> http://www.marlinstudios.com/products/traffic/traffic.htm
2016-02-04 17:03 <nebadon> http://www.marlinstudios.com/products/treefarm/treefarm.html
2016-02-04 17:03 <AliciaRaven> yea i seen there stuff before, great quality models
2016-02-04 17:04 <nebadon> have you seen the axyz avatars?
2016-02-04 17:04 <AliciaRaven> no?
2016-02-04 17:04 <nebadon> https://secure.axyz-design.com/
2016-02-04 17:05 <AliciaRaven> i will be looking for a good avatar model at some point soon ty
2016-02-04 17:05 <nebadon> https://secure.axyz-design.com/product-category/3d-people
2016-02-04 17:05 <nebadon> really nice, maybe too nice
2016-02-04 17:05 <nebadon> lol
2016-02-04 17:07 <AliciaRaven> yea they are amazing, would have to look at the mesh but i wonder if they are for rendering only, might not work in real time 3d unless its just nice textures and low polly
2016-02-04 17:07 <nebadon> well they have various levels of detail
2016-02-04 17:07 <nebadon> they even offer them for sketchup
2016-02-04 17:08 <nebadon> but yes some are quite high, but better to have to much and retopo
2016-02-04 17:08 <nebadon> then have them be low quality you cant do anything with
2016-02-04 17:08 <AliciaRaven> yea
2016-02-04 17:08 <nebadon> you can get their entire collection after 25% discount for like 3200 Euros
2016-02-04 17:08 <nebadon> really cheap
2016-02-04 17:09 <nebadon> considering the quality
2016-02-04 17:11 <AliciaRaven> i just hope i can keep away from a world were all the women are tall blonde and heavy tanned like sl lol
2016-02-04 17:11 <nebadon> and 7 foot 8 inches
2016-02-04 17:12 <nebadon> lol
2016-02-04 17:12 <AliciaRaven> lol yea maxed out height controls
2016-02-04 20:20 <H-H-H> just booted up an old version of osgrid pre packaged opensim and it appears to be running ok however i just got an error i have never seen before
2016-02-04 20:20 <H-H-H> Region (Hippo-Retreat) # _wapi_connect: error looking up socket handle 0x1a
2016-02-04 20:20 <H-H-H> any ideas
2016-02-04 20:33 <nebadon> i kind of recall that being a mono bug
2016-02-04 20:35 <AliciaRaven> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24477882/using-httpwebrequest-on-mono-3-2-8-ubuntu-server-14
2016-02-04 20:35 <AliciaRaven> might help
2016-02-04 20:36 <nebadon> its probably the version of mono he is running
2016-02-04 20:36 <nebadon> H-H-H what mono are you running?
2016-02-04 21:13 <velus> with opensim can you fly between regions even if there is nothing there?
2016-02-04 21:14 <velus> brb
2016-02-04 21:14 <Plugh> You can't fly between region is there is nothing between them. You always have to fly over a region whether it is just empty land or water.
2016-02-04 21:15 <velus> ok i know aurora managed it but im not sure how 
2016-02-04 21:17 <Plugh> s/region is/regions if/
2016-02-04 21:41 <H-H-H> sorry guys rl called
2016-02-04 21:41 <H-H-H> im running Mono JIT compiler version 4.0.4
2016-02-04 21:49 <velus> nice nice
2016-02-04 21:49 <velus> i have 3.2.8
2016-02-04 21:52 <colosi> Anyone running a grid and is interested in testing out a new money module addon to see if we’ve missed anything vital?
2016-02-04 21:55 <velus> i can test it on my system (its a testing system i have set up)
2016-02-04 21:55 <H-H-H> colosi i run a grid for me and my family and are always looking for newer or better currency systems than the heavily modifyed NSL system we use at the moment
2016-02-04 21:55 <velus> i am looking for one too
2016-02-04 21:56 <colosi> Sweet.  Can you guys pm me with the commit hash for the version of OpenSim you are using and an email I can send the dll, config and instructions to?
2016-02-04 21:58 <colosi> It’s a drop in module.  Works with core opensim and viewers without other modifications or having to have scripts or atms inworld.  You can also find additional info here: http://dev.gloebit.com/opensim/
2016-02-04 21:59 <Plugh> colosi: What makes your money module different from some of the others out there?
2016-02-04 22:00 <Plugh> I'd be interested but I don't really have the time to test it right now.
2016-02-04 22:00 <colosi> You can link as many avatars as you want to a single account with a single balance and transaction history.
2016-02-04 22:00 <colosi> You can use it across the hypergrid on grids/regions which have it enabled, and it’s simple to do as a consumer.
2016-02-04 22:01 <colosi> You click on a link to authorize that grid to have access to your account (if you don’t already have a Gloebit account, you create one).  You purchase gloebits if you don’t already have any.  And you can spend them there or receive them there.
2016-02-04 22:02 <colosi> If you connect multiple avatars on the same grid, we keep that anonymous.
2016-02-04 22:02 <colosi> Gotta step onto a call, but will gladly answer more questions when I’m back.  Thanks everyone.
2016-02-04 22:03 <colosi> We just released our beta, and it’s live on Hyperica if anyone wants to try it out.
2016-02-04 22:45 <velus> colosi, you there
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2016-02-04 23:08 <velus> hmmm i think he has gone now lol
2016-02-04 23:51 <virtualworld> hello if i was to split up the services to different servers how would i configure it, is there a tut on it?
2016-02-04 23:56 <colosi> I’m back.  Sorry velus
2016-02-05 21:55 <SignpostMarv> 
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2016-02-05 21:57 <SignpostMarv> anyone awake that's familiar with the guts of prebuild ?
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2016-02-06 00:49 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEzfh1S5Y6Q
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2016-02-06 01:39 <DZII> Hello All
2016-02-06 01:40 <DZII> anyone have a good guide on makehuman to blender to opensim ?
2016-02-06 01:41 <LiruCookies> DZII: I've no idea what you mean.
2016-02-06 01:42 <LiruCookies> I assume makehuman is a program for making mesh?
2016-02-06 01:42 <DZII> yes
2016-02-06 01:42 <DZII> for avatars
2016-02-06 01:42 <Plugh> Export from makehuman in BVH format.
2016-02-06 01:43 <LiruCookies> So then you import to blender and export as dae and import into SL?
2016-02-06 01:43 <Plugh> oh, you were asking about using it for mesh.
2016-02-06 01:49 <Plugh> DZII: The FAQ says they are focused on more standard formats like dae and fbx. If that's true you can export as dae and import the dae in to Blender.
2016-02-06 01:50 <DZII> yes you can i was looking more for a guide on work flow settings to re export I think nebadon has pointed me in the right direction thanks
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2016-02-08 17:21 <Plugh> Any ideas about how to have a script send a message to a group?
2016-02-08 17:22 <nebadon> sounds dangerous heh
2016-02-08 17:23 <nebadon> not easily stoppable spam
2016-02-08 17:23 <Plugh> True. I have a landing point. When someone arrives a bunch of people need to be notified. Trying to send IM's is a minor pain due to the 2 second delay on each IM.
2016-02-08 17:24 <Plugh> If I could send the message to a group it would be a lot easier.
2016-02-08 17:27 <JeffKelley> ScriptDelayFactor = 0 ?
2016-02-08 17:30 <nebadon> maybe it has more to do with looping through a list
2016-02-08 17:31 <nebadon> that setting might help a little though
2016-02-08 17:34 <JeffKelley> concierge + irc
2016-02-08 17:35 <nebadon> you could push notifications to php, then sendmail
2016-02-08 17:35 <nebadon> people could get emails too or something along those lines could push into many tools
2016-02-08 17:36 <nebadon> openening a door like that to groups for this seems like a bad idea
2016-02-08 17:36 <nebadon> someone could craft a stupid simple script that would shut down group chat until you could find the object
2016-02-08 17:37 <nebadon> you could probably though push to php and then have php update the groups database
2016-02-08 17:37 <nebadon> that the message would go out that way
2016-02-08 17:37 <nebadon> and you really wouldnt have to expose that capability to the entire world
2016-02-08 17:38 <nebadon> you could use firewall rules or something even .htaccess to allow connections from specific ip only
2016-02-08 19:06 <Plugh> I rather thought it could be a problem. It would just make it easier to notify a whole lot of people about something. I'll have to spend more time debugging my current pair of scripts to find out why they stop sending out IMs after they have been running for a while.
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2016-02-09 01:57 <techplex> I'm helping build the region for the VWBPE (Virtual Worlds Best Practices in Education) confrence. We are having trouble getting physical things to work. Are there some settings I should check? Disable Physics in the Region/Estate menu is not checked.
2016-02-09 02:18 <Plugh> Physics is one of those areas where support may be incomplete. What sort of physics related things are you trying to do?
2016-02-09 02:55 <techplex> @Plugh I have a physical boat script that says its for opensim. I wonder if the Avacon grid has physical objects disabled. Is that even possible, that is to turn off physical objects?
2016-02-09 02:59 <Plugh> Did it say which physics engine is required? There are several different ones that have some differences.
2016-02-09 03:25 <techplex> @Plugh I will check on the required engine. However a simple test: create a box prim and setting it physical just off the ground, it does not drop.
2016-02-09 03:38 <Ken_S> techplex, that normally means physics is not enabled on that sim.
2016-02-09 03:39 <techplex> Ken_S: Could you direct me to the setting that I need to change?
2016-02-09 03:42 <Ken_S> If all the physics engines are commented out, it should default to use Bulletsim.
2016-02-09 03:45 <Ken_S> In the [Startup] section the default in OpensimDefaults.ini for physics is physical_prim = true
2016-02-09 03:45 <nebadon> techplex is this on Avacon grid?
2016-02-09 03:46 <nebadon> its very possible i have physics disabled
2016-02-09 03:46 <Ken_S> If you are using the current OpensimDefaults.ini for the latest opensim dev master, it should default to true
2016-02-09 03:46 <nebadon> i can enable them for you, what region is it?
2016-02-09 03:46 <techplex> Meeting 1 
2016-02-09 03:46 <nebadon> ok let me check and fix
2016-02-09 03:46 <Ken_S> Thanks for stepping in Neb :)
2016-02-09 03:46 <nebadon> i mgiht need you to log out
2016-02-09 03:47 <nebadon> yep
2016-02-09 03:47 <techplex> I am logged out
2016-02-09 03:47 <nebadon> sorry this is my fault
2016-02-09 03:47 <nebadon> im fixing
2016-02-09 03:47 <techplex> No problem, thanks for getting back to me
2016-02-09 03:47 <techplex> Its probably more performant to have physics disabled, no?
2016-02-09 03:47 <nebadon> it is certainly safer
2016-02-09 03:48 <nebadon> what exaclty are you doing?
2016-02-09 03:48 <techplex> Making a tour boat
2016-02-09 03:48 <nebadon> I would suggest making sure only group members can rez objects
2016-02-09 03:48 <techplex> Okay, I will set that
2016-02-09 03:48 <nebadon> its a physical tour boat?
2016-02-09 03:48 <techplex> Yeah
2016-02-09 03:48 <nebadon> k well I would run some load tests
2016-02-09 03:49 <nebadon> make sure this thing can handle a load without crashing the simulator
2016-02-09 03:49 <nebadon> ok its back up
2016-02-09 03:49 <techplex> Thanks! 
2016-02-09 03:49 <nebadon> let me know how it goes
2016-02-09 03:49 <techplex> How would be the best way to load test?
2016-02-09 03:49 <nebadon> if you can round up 10-20 people and take a tour
2016-02-09 03:50 <nebadon> grid is open for all HG feel free to invite in whoever
2016-02-09 03:50 <nebadon> give me a heads up if you want so i can react quicker if it goes belly up
2016-02-09 03:50 <techplex> Hmm, so I just logged back in, and it seems that when I make a new physical prim it still doesn't fall.
2016-02-09 03:50 <nebadon> oh crap
2016-02-09 03:50 <nebadon> duh
2016-02-09 03:50 <nebadon> 1 sec
2016-02-09 03:50 <nebadon> i screwded up
2016-02-09 03:50 <nebadon> my editor is asking me for password
2016-02-09 03:50 <nebadon> i never actually saved
2016-02-09 03:51 <nebadon> log out again real quick
2016-02-09 03:51 <nebadon> winscp was asking for password to save
2016-02-09 03:51 <techplex> okay, I'm out
2016-02-09 03:51 <nebadon> always gets me haha
2016-02-09 03:51 <techplex> Oops! I've done the same thing
2016-02-09 03:52 <nebadon> ok its back 1 more try should be good
2016-02-09 03:53 <techplex> Fixedamundo!
2016-02-09 03:53 <nebadon> nice
2016-02-09 03:53 <techplex> Thanks Neb!
2016-02-09 03:54 <nebadon> no problem, let me know how it goes
2016-02-09 03:54 <techplex> Willdo! Works great with one person :)
2016-02-09 03:55 <nebadon> cool
2016-02-09 03:57 <techplex> Night all
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2016-02-09 21:57 <VelusUniverseSys> hey all
2016-02-10 00:44 <Plugh> A say of llDetectedKey() and llGetOwner show the same UUID but the if asking if they are the same is saying they are not.  huh??
2016-02-10 02:04 <Plugh> Now its even stranger. I can't see the output from an llSay(). If I add an llOwnerSay() right before or after the llSay() I do see the message.
2016-02-10 02:09 <djphil> Hi folk, i have some problem to get ossearch (OpenSimSearch_svn_r206-mod.zip) workin proprely with OpenSim (OSgrid 0.8.2.0 (Dev) 43c8e23: 2015-07-22). Some database table remain empty ... i don't know wy :s
2016-02-10 02:11 <djphil> what is the best ossearch for use with OS v0.8.2.0 ?
2016-02-10 02:12 <djphil> Normally the one I currently use should be good, is the one proposed on the osg website at the time ...
2016-02-10 02:12 <djphil> i have tested with this one too : http://forge.opensimulator.org/kcozens/OpenSimSearch/tree/master/webroot
2016-02-10 02:14 <wintersnow> hi
2016-02-10 02:15 <wintersnow> someone know how build a house in opensim
2016-02-10 02:52 <Plugh> djphil: If you are using the latest version of ossearch it will work with 0.8.2
2016-02-10 02:52 <Plugh> which table(s) are not being populated?
2016-02-10 02:53 <djphil> it seam the problem is partially solved here
2016-02-10 02:53 <djphil> the classifieds is empty
2016-02-10 02:53 <Plugh> ok. The version you pointed to is ok. 
2016-02-10 02:54 <djphil> yep, versoin seam ok
2016-02-10 02:54 <Plugh> You ran the ossearch.sql file to create and set up the database tables?
2016-02-10 02:54 <djphil> i search in the ini to get my personnal websearch url but i con't find
2016-02-10 02:55 <djphil> yes, i have installed the ossearch database
2016-02-10 02:55 <djphil> in the same place i have my opensim database
2016-02-10 02:55 <djphil> and i create some personnal web pages
2016-02-10 02:56 <djphil> (soon available on github)
2016-02-10 02:57 <djphil> i use the original web page from wiredux, but update all
2016-02-10 02:57 <Plugh> I haven't used wiredux in a long time.
2016-02-10 02:57 <djphil> in the add new event (make-events.php) i see the Location (Parcels remain empty in the select fiekds
2016-02-10 02:58 <djphil> wiredux is 100% obselet lol
2016-02-10 02:58 <djphil> that why i made a ossearch "standalone system"
2016-02-10 02:59 <djphil> not 100% done but in good way :)
2016-02-10 03:00 <djphil> one question plugh, ossearch is able to work with sqlite ?
2016-02-10 03:00 <Plugh> Never ried that combo.
2016-02-10 03:01 <djphil> i don't know if opensim create sqlite database for him or not ...
2016-02-10 03:01 <Plugh> The external PHP code would need the hooks to talk to SQLite
2016-02-10 03:02 <djphil> sure
2016-02-10 11:09 <VelusUniverseSys> djphil, it should work with sqlite but it would mean doing a lot of rewriting on the code
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2016-02-10 18:51 <djphil> @ VelusUniverseSys : Have you ever seen opensim (opensim standalone + sqlite + oosearch) AUTOMATICALLY create SQLite database for ossearch ? ... Are you 100% sure about that or just say "yes Normally it should work ..." ?
2016-02-10 18:58 <Plugh> The database for OpenSimSearch is *not* created automatically. You are responsible for creating the database using the .sql file provided.
2016-02-10 18:59 <djphil> i mean sqlite database Plugh
2016-02-10 19:00 <djphil> of course if i create it myself ... it work !
2016-02-10 19:02 <djphil> i what to know if ossearch module is able to add value in sqlite database
2016-02-10 19:02 <djphil> or can only add data in mysql ...
2016-02-10 19:03 <djphil> some table are automaticly populate ... like allparcel, objects etc ...
2016-02-10 19:05 <djphil> ok, found !
2016-02-10 19:05 <djphil> all table are populate with the "parser"
2016-02-10 19:06 <Plugh> djphil: Um... have you not read the README file?
2016-02-10 19:06 <djphil> so i can modify this file to play with sqlite
2016-02-10 19:06 <djphil> the readme yes ^^
2016-02-10 19:08 <Plugh> IIRC, I put in there that the parser populates the database. It also needs regions to get registered in the hostsregister table, and the datasnapshot module enabled before the parser will get the data to put in the search tables.
2016-02-10 19:09 <djphil> yep
2016-02-10 19:09 <djphil> the datasnapshot is the "cron"
2016-02-10 19:11 <djphil> yestarday i search in the .ini file where a can add my personnal url for search engine but i don't found
2016-02-10 19:12 <djphil> i wnaht to remove this one !!! http://search.metaverseink.com/opensim/results.jsp?query=
2016-02-10 19:12 <djphil> i have to search into OpenSearch.cs too
2016-02-10 19:12 <djphil> but nothing :s
2016-02-10 19:18 <Plugh> I thought I had provided enough detail in the README for the search module. Perhaps I didn't. :P
2016-02-10 19:21 <Plugh> OpenSimSearch is a third-party module. There is no entry in the OS .ini file for the settings it needs. You either add the section (as shown in the README) to the OpenSim.ini file you are using or you put the settings in a file under the add-ons directory and use the standard include file for add-on modules to pick up the settings needed by the module.
2016-02-10 19:21 <Plugh> s/standard include file/standard include method/
2016-02-10 19:22 <djphil> yes, i have [Search] in the ini
2016-02-10 19:22 <djphil> but nothing to add my personnal engine
2016-02-10 19:22 <Plugh> ok
2016-02-10 19:22 <djphil> to see in the viewer
2016-02-10 19:22 <djphil> ex: Firestrom
2016-02-10 19:23 <H-H-H> just change the link to point to your search engine
2016-02-10 19:23 <djphil> this ? SearchURL
2016-02-10 19:23 <H-H-H> its n datasnapshot part of opensim ini
2016-02-10 19:23 <Plugh> The search module doesn't provide a means to search for objects. That is something that is still on the todo list.
2016-02-10 19:24 <djphil> or this ? data_services
2016-02-10 19:24 <Plugh> The All and All (Websearch) [or however those first tabs are labelled in a viewer] are not supported.
2016-02-10 19:25 <djphil> Plugh, actually in the viewer search i see this page >>> http://search.metaverseink.com/opensim/results.jsp?query=
2016-02-10 19:26 <djphil> and i whant to change that
2016-02-10 19:26 <H-H-H> i just told you how
2016-02-10 19:26 <Plugh> djphil: That URL must been added as part of your grid settings. That isn't set by the search module.
2016-02-10 19:27 <H-H-H> also you can set a search url in opensim ini
2016-02-10 19:27 <djphil> you mean here "01 SearchURL01 = " or here "01data_services01 =" H-H-H
2016-02-10 19:27 <H-H-H> both need to point to your search system
2016-02-10 19:27 <djphil> data_services  point to register.php
2016-02-10 19:28 <djphil> SearchURL point to query.php
2016-02-10 19:28 <H-H-H> yes http:/yoururl.com/register.php
2016-02-10 19:28 <djphil> i don't see point to http://search.metaverseink.com/opensim/results.jsp?query=
2016-02-10 19:28 <djphil> then i no understand ...
2016-02-10 19:29 <djphil> register.php != results.jsp?query=
2016-02-10 19:29 <djphil> query.php != results.jsp?query=
2016-02-10 19:29 <Plugh> The register function is used to populate the hostsregister table so the parser will know from what OS instances it needs to grab and parse data to put in to the search tables. The query.php file is used when you want to make a query for data from within the viewer.
2016-02-10 19:29 <djphil> that ok
2016-02-10 19:30 <djphil> but what i mean is different
2016-02-10 19:30 <H-H-H> djphil metaverseink uses its own system
2016-02-10 19:30 <djphil> yes H-H-H, that ok too
2016-02-10 19:30 <djphil> but what i mean is different
2016-02-10 19:30 <djphil> lol
2016-02-10 19:30 <H-H-H> you need to set datasnapshot to http://yoururl.com/register.php and set searchurl to http://yoururl.com/query.php
2016-02-10 19:30 <djphil> mom, let me create a screenshot
2016-02-10 19:31 <djphil> hard for me to explain in english, pfiouuuuu
2016-02-10 19:31 <Plugh> I forget who was providing a means to search for data using the metaverseink site. It might have been diva, but I may be wrong on that. It might have been a feature of the WiFi package of OpenSim.
2016-02-10 19:31 <H-H-H> it was Diva iirc
2016-02-10 19:31 <Plugh> H-H-H: ok. 
2016-02-10 19:32 <Plugh> djphil: Out of curiousity, what is your native language?
2016-02-10 19:33 <djphil> a human language :)
2016-02-10 19:33 <djphil> French
2016-02-10 19:34 <Plugh> ok. I know some French but not all that much.
2016-02-10 19:34 <djphil> ok, let me show you the screenshot
2016-02-10 19:34 <djphil> http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=98886920160210203309.jpg
2016-02-10 19:34 <djphil> i whant to change that
2016-02-10 19:34 <djphil> with my personnal search engine page
2016-02-10 19:35 <djphil> that not the SearchURL or the data_services ...
2016-02-10 19:36 <djphil> or i'm wrong
2016-02-10 19:36 <Plugh> In your viewer open up the preferences dialog box (Alt-P). look for the Grids settings tab. Once you have opened that, select the grid you are using where that metaverseink thing is coming up for search. You may need to click Advanced button to see all the grid settings. Near the bottom of the list of grid settings you will see one for Search URL. You need to change that.
2016-02-10 19:37 <H-H-H> unless it isnt set in which case i think it defaults to metaverseink so setting the searchurl will solve it like i said before lol
2016-02-10 19:38 <djphil> ha the "override current search url"
2016-02-10 19:40 <Plugh> H-H-H: It usually defaults to an empty URL, or possibly the setting from the last grid that had a non-empty search URL. If the WiFi version of OS is being used it may default to using the metaverseink URL. I am not that familiar with the details of the WiFi version of OS.
2016-02-10 19:40 <H-H-H> im not sure thats correct on FS it may be on Singularity
2016-02-10 19:40 <djphil> a new option for that in the ini isn't possible ?
2016-02-10 19:41 <H-H-H> djphil the option is already there
2016-02-10 19:41 <H-H-H> it is SearchUrl
2016-02-10 19:41 <Plugh> H-H-H: No, that isn't what djphil is asking about in this case.
2016-02-10 19:42 <Plugh> djphil: I'm not sure how to specify a URL for search that can be sent out as part of the login data packet when you first go in to a grid.
2016-02-10 19:42 <djphil> the SearchUrl point to query.php H-H-H
2016-02-10 19:42 <Plugh> In the past I modified the OpenSim code.
2016-02-10 19:42 <djphil> query.php is NOT http://search.metaverseink.com/opensim/results.jsp?query=
2016-02-10 19:43 <djphil> with jOpenSim (Joomla) is possible
2016-02-10 19:43 <H-H-H> ok well i must have a wierd clone of opensim and singularity because thats what i did and it uses my own version lol but hey im out got better things to do like play MC :P
2016-02-10 19:43 <djphil> in the [LoginService] of Robust.ini
2016-02-10 19:44 <djphil> SearchURL = ... personnal search engine
2016-02-10 19:44 <Plugh> H-H-H: The problem djphil has is with websearch tab in a viewer going to metaverseink. That has to be changed in viewer under the grid settings section of preferences.
2016-02-10 19:44 <djphil> maybee that the solution ? ...
2016-02-10 19:45 <Plugh> djphil: yes, that would be where the grid settings are located that are presented to a viewer.
2016-02-10 19:45 <H-H-H> unless its overiden by setting the searchurl yes
2016-02-10 19:46 <djphil> like this SearchURL = "${Const|BaseURL}/personalSearch.php"
2016-02-10 19:46 <djphil> let me try that
2016-02-10 19:47 <Plugh> I still don't think that is the right place but can't hurt to try.
2016-02-10 19:47 <Plugh> A setting should be added to the GridInfoService to allow the SearchURL to be specified.
2016-02-10 19:47 <Plugh> I don't see such a setting in either 0.8.2PF or git master
2016-02-10 19:48 <djphil> in GridInfoService ...
2016-02-10 19:48 <djphil> ok i will try that too
2016-02-10 19:48 <djphil> thaht a little bit strange
2016-02-10 19:48 <djphil> in the LoginService i see DestinationGuide and AvatarPicker
2016-02-10 19:49 <djphil> but search is in a different section ...
2016-02-10 19:49 <djphil> strangle lol
2016-02-10 19:49 <Plugh> That might be the one you need.
2016-02-10 19:49 <djphil> hope!
2016-02-10 19:50 <Plugh> It would probably have made more sense to be in GridInfoService if that is how the viewer gets the search URL that is shown in grid prefs.
2016-02-10 19:52 <djphil> yes, GridInfoService is for the viewer
2016-02-10 19:53 <djphil> let me go to grid pref and refresh LonginInfoService datas
2016-02-10 19:57 <djphil> ok i found the problem !
2016-02-10 19:58 <djphil> the secret word is NOT "SearchURL = ..."
2016-02-10 19:58 <djphil> but is "search = ..."
2016-02-10 19:58 <djphil> fanely !!!
2016-02-10 20:00 <Plugh> djphil: Where did you add 'search = '?
2016-02-10 20:01 <djphil> in the [GridInfoService]
2016-02-10 20:01 <djphil> and i refresh the Grid Manager
2016-02-10 20:01 <Plugh> ok. If that works, it is undocumented.
2016-02-10 20:01 <djphil> and now i see "Grid Search : ... my url in the grid manager
2016-02-10 20:02 <Plugh> djphil: What version of OpenSim are you using?
2016-02-10 20:02 <djphil> 0.8.2
2016-02-10 20:02 <Plugh> ok
2016-02-10 20:03 <djphil> Arfff
2016-02-10 20:03 <djphil> that don't work
2016-02-10 20:03 <nebadon> you have to update the grid entry
2016-02-10 20:03 <nebadon> in the viewer
2016-02-10 20:03 <nebadon> its not automatic
2016-02-10 20:03 <djphil> maybee i need empty viewer web cash
2016-02-10 20:03 <djphil> yes i have update the entry
2016-02-10 20:03 <djphil> i see my url
2016-02-10 20:03 <djphil> but no change inword
2016-02-10 20:04 <nebadon> you restarted regions?
2016-02-10 20:04 <djphil> yes
2016-02-10 20:04 <nebadon> wierd
2016-02-10 20:04 <djphil> robust
2016-02-10 20:04 <nebadon> i cant imagine that gets cached
2016-02-10 20:04 <djphil> yep
2016-02-10 20:04 <nebadon> nothing a log out and back in would retain anyway
2016-02-10 20:05 <Plugh> If a setting was changed in GridInfoService of Robust then Robust would need a restart.
2016-02-10 20:05 <djphil> it is
2016-02-10 20:06 <djphil> arfff don't work :s
2016-02-10 20:07 <djphil> again the metaverseink.com :(
2016-02-10 20:07 <Plugh> djphil: Change it in your viewer.
2016-02-10 20:09 <djphil> that strange, sometimes when i select my grid in the list, i see the search url ... and sometimes NO ... something in a cach somewhere ...
2016-02-10 20:09 <djphil> that probably why that don't work proprely here ...
2016-02-10 20:12 <djphil> unless I am mistaken there is no information about the GridInfoService in the README Plugh
2016-02-10 20:12 <Plugh> http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=222599a
2016-02-10 20:12 <djphil> it might be good to add
2016-02-10 20:12 <Plugh> No, there isn't because I don't have any support in OpenSimSearch for a websearch feature.
2016-02-10 20:13 <djphil> i have same Plugh in my grid manager
2016-02-10 20:13 <djphil> sometimes i see the search url
2016-02-10 20:13 <djphil> and sometimes NO
2016-02-10 20:13 <Plugh> The entry I circled is what you need to change then click Apply, or OK. 
2016-02-10 20:13 <djphil> no i try to remove my grid proprely from the grid manager
2016-02-10 20:14 <djphil> now*
2016-02-10 20:15 <Plugh> I used to know where the login packet was built but things moved around. I'll have to track it down again. a 'search =' entry should be added to GridInfoService in Robust so the setting can be passed to viewers when they refresh the grid URLs.
2016-02-10 20:17 <djphil> yep!
2016-02-10 20:18 <djphil> don't work here, pffff
2016-02-10 20:19 <djphil> i have the url in the manager
2016-02-10 20:19 <djphil> http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=17524620160210211647.jpg
2016-02-10 20:19 <djphil> but don't work
2016-02-10 20:20 <djphil> i see always http://search.metaverseink.com/
2016-02-10 20:20 <nebadon> try Singularity as a test?
2016-02-10 20:20 <nebadon> maybe Firestorm has it hard coded?
2016-02-10 20:20 <djphil> not sure Singu can do that
2016-02-10 20:20 <nebadon> ya im not sure either
2016-02-10 20:20 <nebadon> i never use search
2016-02-10 20:21 <djphil> maybee Alchemy
2016-02-10 20:21 <nebadon> Kokua maybe
2016-02-10 20:21 <djphil> yep maybee
2016-02-10 20:23 <djphil> i found one solution with FireStorm
2016-02-10 20:24 <djphil> in pref, Miscellanous, i chech "debug Search"
2016-02-10 20:24 <djphil> and i add my url in "override current search url" field
2016-02-10 20:24 <djphil> and now it work
2016-02-10 20:25 <Plugh> I've been telling you for some time to change the settings in preferences. :)
2016-02-10 20:25 <nebadon> so it is hard coded
2016-02-10 20:25 <djphil> it's really laborious procedure !!!
2016-02-10 20:25 <nebadon> hah ya
2016-02-10 20:25 <djphil> tank you for your patience :)
2016-02-10 20:26 <djphil> yes Plugh, you say ... but i whant a automatic solution ... not a laborious solution
2016-02-10 20:26 <Plugh> The metaverseink URL isn't part of standard OpenSim. If that keeps showing up its coming from some add on, or is somehow part of the grid data.
2016-02-10 20:27 <nebadon> sounds to me like its hard coded in firefox
2016-02-10 20:27 <Plugh> djphil: It is a feature I have on my todo list. 
2016-02-10 20:27 <nebadon> firestorm*
2016-02-10 20:27 <nebadon> lol
2016-02-10 20:27 <Plugh> nebadon: I don't see it in fs.
2016-02-10 20:27 <djphil> simplely refresh the login url to get new GridInfoService is the best way
2016-02-10 20:27 <djphil> but it don't work proprely in Firestorm ...
2016-02-10 20:27 <djphil> that the problem ...
2016-02-10 20:28 <Plugh> djphil: yes, I want to make it something you can set using GridInfoService.
2016-02-10 20:28 <djphil> Ok Plugh, ty :)
2016-02-10 20:29 <djphil> now i go to create a personnal search page :)
2016-02-10 20:29 <Plugh> :)
2016-02-10 20:29 <djphil> i have one already
2016-02-10 20:29 <djphil> but create a grey page for pretty look inside the windows
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2016-02-10 22:56 <VelusUniverseSys> djphil, i never said it should normally work i said it should work with sqlite but with some coding, and i had seen it set up before, i personally didnt do it but i know someone who did and he said there was some coding to do. 
2016-02-10 22:56 <djphil> kk
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2016-02-11 19:32 <Plugh> nebadon, ping
2016-02-11 19:43 <nebadon> hey Plugh
2016-02-11 19:46 <Plugh> Hey, nebadon. I am trying to make sense out of something really odd. I'm not seeing anything from script when it calls llSay().
2016-02-11 19:47 <Plugh> I have two objects one is supposed to send a message to another. It works if I use llShout() but not llSay(). The objects are only 4m apart.
2016-02-11 19:47 <Plugh> llSay() should cover 10m.
2016-02-11 19:47 <nebadon> hmm
2016-02-11 19:49 <nebadon> and your just using llShout(0, or llSay(0 etc..?
2016-02-11 19:50 <Plugh> yup
2016-02-11 19:51 <Plugh> A simple script with just a touch_start does work with llSay. That's the other odd part.
2016-02-11 19:52 <nebadon> how are you calling it the other way?
2016-02-11 19:53 <Plugh> I'm also calling it at the start of a touch_start. The object is changing colour so the touch handling seems to be working but I don't get the llSay that is supposed to tell me it entered the event handler. If I use llOwnerSay() I do see it has entered the handler.
2016-02-11 19:56 <nebadon> hmm ya I have found events somewhat unreliable
2016-02-11 19:56 <Plugh> I haven't had this sort of behaviour before.
2016-02-11 19:56 <nebadon> ya it does not sound so heavy that it would be problem
2016-02-11 19:56 <nebadon> generally its problematic when too much is going on
2016-02-11 19:58 <nebadon> do you atleast see the say in chat?
2016-02-11 19:58 <nebadon> its just the event isnt picking it up?
2016-02-11 20:09 <Plugh> Two different event handlers are not giving me the llSay output.
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2016-02-12 00:59 <djphil> Plugh you there ?
2016-02-12 01:01 <Plugh> yes?
2016-02-12 01:02 <djphil> in the readme, I see that we can install ossearch database where we want. Be separated from opensim or with opensim
2016-02-12 01:02 <Plugh> Right
2016-02-12 01:02 <djphil> so I tried the 2 solution and I found that if the database of ossearch is separated from that of opensim it does not work
2016-02-12 01:03 <djphil> i run the parser.php
2016-02-12 01:03 <djphil> and nothing appens
2016-02-12 01:03 <Plugh> It does. I run it that way.
2016-02-12 01:03 <Melanie_> you need to change the database include file on the php side to reflect the new location
2016-02-12 01:04 <Melanie_> also, opensim uses a common database service entry that all other databases inherit from
2016-02-12 01:04 <Melanie_> you need to also tell the search module the new location
2016-02-12 01:04 <djphil> ok ... but here it don't work
2016-02-12 01:04 <djphil> i change the database name in my config
2016-02-12 01:04 <Melanie_> finally, you need to clear out the regitrations from the database as they will not point to the right place anymore
2016-02-12 01:05 <Melanie_> each sim should then be restarted to re-register with ossearch
2016-02-12 01:05 <djphil> ha ok, that i have no trying
2016-02-12 01:05 <Melanie_> you should see the uuids appearing in the registrations table at that time
2016-02-12 01:05 <djphil> let me try that
2016-02-12 01:05 <Melanie_> then, run the parser
2016-02-12 01:05 <Melanie_> you're merely carrying old ballast
2016-02-12 01:08 <djphil> don't work here
2016-02-12 01:08 <djphil> i have deleted the old hostregister
2016-02-12 01:09 <djphil> start opensim
2016-02-12 01:09 <djphil> i see the new host registed
2016-02-12 01:09 <djphil> i try run the parser
2016-02-12 01:09 <djphil> and nothing ...
2016-02-12 01:10 <Melanie_> does the server where you run the parser have access to the server whee the sim is? a firewallmay be blocking it
2016-02-12 01:10 <djphil> yes
2016-02-12 01:10 <djphil> i run xampp
2016-02-12 01:10 <djphil> one database is opensim
2016-02-12 01:10 <djphil> one is osmodule (with search)
2016-02-12 01:11 <Plugh> In databaseinfo.php you need to change the user name, password, and database name. You also need to give the user permissions to access the database you specified.
2016-02-12 01:11 <djphil> that ok
2016-02-12 01:11 <Melanie_> tbh, i had only negative experiences with mariadb
2016-02-12 01:12 <Melanie_> i can't recommend it
2016-02-12 01:12 <Melanie_> also, i'm not a windows person
2016-02-12 01:12 <Melanie_> so i'm out of answers
2016-02-12 01:12 <Ken_S> Maria DB has worked perfectly for me for a long time, but Im on Windows
2016-02-12 01:12 <Plugh> djphil: Have you enabled the DataSnapshot module?
2016-02-12 01:13 <djphil> yes
2016-02-12 01:13 <djphil> it work fine if i put the ossearch database in the same database of opensim
2016-02-12 01:13 <djphil> so datasnapshot is enabled
2016-02-12 01:14 <djphil> only if i put the search database to a different database, then it don't work
2016-02-12 01:14 <djphil> the new host is registred
2016-02-12 01:14 <djphil> ben when i run the parser, nothing appens
2016-02-12 01:15 <djphil> and other tables remain empty
2016-02-12 01:15 <Plugh> The other tables do not remain empty if you put the search tables in the same database as the rest of the OpenSim tables?
2016-02-12 01:15 <djphil> right
2016-02-12 01:15 <djphil> all tables are populate
2016-02-12 01:16 <djphil> all work fine if search database and opensim database are same database
2016-02-12 01:16 <Plugh> Is the parser.php file in the same directory as the register.php file?
2016-02-12 01:16 <djphil> yes
2016-02-12 01:17 <djphil> ossearch/inc/....
2016-02-12 01:17 <Plugh> You have a configuration error. It will work with the search module using a separate database.
2016-02-12 01:17 <djphil> hmmm
2016-02-12 01:17 <djphil> why it work when the database is same ?
2016-02-12 01:18 <Plugh> My first thought was a permissions problem but you say the region(s) do appear in the hostsregister table.
2016-02-12 01:19 <djphil> yes, new simulator appear in the hostsregister table
2016-02-12 01:19 <djphil> with correct values
2016-02-12 01:20 <djphil> digigrids.no-ip.org
2016-02-12 01:20 <djphil> 12600
2016-02-12 01:20 <djphil> 1455239359
2016-02-12 01:20 <djphil> 0
2016-02-12 01:20 <djphil> 0
2016-02-12 01:20 <djphil> 0
2016-02-12 01:20 <djphil> and when i refresh the parser.php page
2016-02-12 01:20 <djphil> nothing ...
2016-02-12 01:21 <Melanie_> parser.php is not a page
2016-02-12 01:21 <Melanie_> it's not meant to be fetched with a browser
2016-02-12 01:21 <Melanie_> it is a cron job
2016-02-12 01:21 <Melanie_> using command line php
2016-02-12 01:22 <djphil> ok but when i get it with a browser i can see console message
2016-02-12 01:22 <djphil> and it populate my database ...
2016-02-12 01:22 <djphil> (when the database is the same like opensim)
2016-02-12 01:23 <djphil> but if a change that, i wait 2 days ... and nothing appens
2016-02-12 01:24 <Plugh> What is the value of default_snapshot_period in the DataSnapshot section of OpenSim.ini?
2016-02-12 01:24 <djphil> 1200
2016-02-12 01:25 <djphil> i try change it to 1
2016-02-12 01:25 <djphil> but nothing ^^
2016-02-12 01:25 <djphil> i try to change too the last line in parser.php
2016-02-12 01:25 <djphil> CheckHost($jobs[0], $jobs[1]);
2016-02-12 01:25 <djphil> like this
2016-02-12 01:25 <djphil> CheckHost($jobs[0], $jobs[3]);
2016-02-12 01:25 <djphil> but nothing ...
2016-02-12 01:25 <Plugh> why would you change that?
2016-02-12 01:26 <djphil> because i read the readme optimisation
2016-02-12 01:26 <djphil> then i try ...
2016-02-12 01:26 <djphil> to hope it work ...
2016-02-12 01:26 <Plugh> You don't change that line.
2016-02-12 01:27 <djphil> i reverse it to default values
2016-02-12 01:27 <Plugh> If you have default_snapshot_period set to 1200 then the datasnapshot module will run every 20 minutes. I don't know if it is updated immediately after a region is restarted so you might have to wait that amount of time before running parser.php
2016-02-12 01:28 <djphil> ok
2016-02-12 01:28 <djphil> i can try that ...
2016-02-12 01:28 <djphil> but if the database is the same
2016-02-12 01:29 <djphil> i can run the parser immediatly
2016-02-12 01:29 <djphil> and i see console message
2016-02-12 01:29 <djphil> ...
2016-02-12 01:29 <djphil> why not if database is different ... ?
2016-02-12 01:30 <Plugh> Optimizing the running of parser involves changing the numbers in the LIMIT string of a SQL query in the parser.php. You do not change the numbers in the CheckHost() call at the end of the file.
2016-02-12 01:31 <Plugh> They should be 0 and 1
2016-02-12 01:31 <djphil> ok
2016-02-12 01:31 <djphil> it is now
2016-02-12 01:32 <djphil> ok, its ok
2016-02-12 01:32 <djphil> :)
2016-02-12 01:32 <djphil> yes!
2016-02-12 01:32 <djphil> i found the problem
2016-02-12 01:33 <djphil> wrong table name
2016-02-12 01:33 <djphil> Sorry for the inconvenience
2016-02-12 01:34 <djphil> he was in front of my nose for 2 days and I have not seen
2016-02-12 01:54 <djphil> for ossearch, i also think it is good to disable error reporting (ALL) is actived if on the server ...
2016-02-12 01:55 <djphil> else parser don't work proprely
2016-02-12 01:55 <djphil> "Deprecated: mysql_connect(): The mysql extension is deprecated ...."
2016-02-12 01:55 <djphil> (i'm working on that)
2016-02-12 01:55 <djphil> i try ^^
2016-02-12 02:50 <Plugh> djphil: The PHP code should be updated to use mysqli. I haven't gotten around to doing that yet.
2016-02-12 02:51 <djphil> yes sure
2016-02-12 03:49 <djphil> Plugh : do the "classifieds" functioning normally?
2016-02-12 03:49 <djphil> here not ... http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=15078520160212044722.jpg
2016-02-12 03:50 <djphil> en the table "classifieds" remain empty
2016-02-12 03:50 <djphil> only the name persit
2016-02-12 03:50 <djphil> classifieds work for you ?
2016-02-12 04:04 <Plugh> yes, they do
2016-02-12 04:04 <djphil> :s
2016-02-12 04:05 <djphil> why not here
2016-02-12 04:05 <djphil> you see my screenshot ?
2016-02-12 04:11 <djphil> strange, i see nowhere INSERT INTO classifieds or UPDATE classifieds
2016-02-12 04:12 <djphil> and when i add a new classifieds in my profil, nothing happens
2016-02-12 04:27 <Plugh> The search module lets you search for classified ads. The creation of classified ads is done in the profile module.
2016-02-12 04:28 <djphil> ha oki, i need to install proprely the profil module then
2016-02-12 04:29 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-02-12 04:29 <djphil> never done lol
2016-02-12 04:29 <Plugh> :)
2016-02-12 04:30 <djphil> i see profile have a mysqli already :)
2016-02-12 04:32 <Plugh> IIRC, FlyMan did that some time ago. I haven't looked it in any detail and I have not tested it yet.
2016-02-12 04:59 <djphil> profile installed
2016-02-12 04:59 <djphil> some part work fine
2016-02-12 05:00 <djphil> some not
2016-02-12 05:00 <djphil> "Favorite" give me a warning
2016-02-12 05:00 <djphil> http://pastebin.com/hgEd02HM
2016-02-12 05:01 <djphil> and "Classifieds" don't work
2016-02-12 05:02 <djphil> and of course some profile table remain empty :s
2016-02-12 05:03 <djphil> Inword, when a try add a "favorite", i have a message too, "Column count doesn't match value count at row 1"
2016-02-12 05:03 <djphil> + the console warning above
2016-02-12 05:15 <VelusUniverseSys> hey colosi how you doing, i havent had a chance to check it out yet i have been working on something else at the moment, can i pm you please?
2016-02-12 06:19 <djphil> ha, finelly the classifieds working here !!!
2016-02-12 06:19 <djphil> next step, the "Favorites"
2016-02-12 06:21 <VelusUniverseSys> colosi, you about?
2016-02-12 18:32 <Plugh> djphil: Check the database name, user name, and password entries in the databaseinfo.php file. You should use the same database for the search and profile modules.
2016-02-12 18:33 <djphil> is the same
2016-02-12 18:34 <djphil> all profil work now excepted the "Favorites"
2016-02-12 18:35 <Plugh> By Favourites you mean Profile Picks?
2016-02-12 18:35 <djphil> i hope fix that today :)
2016-02-12 18:36 <Plugh> How many columns do you have in the userpicks table?
2016-02-12 18:37 <djphil> 14
2016-02-12 18:37 <djphil> 14 empty lol
2016-02-12 18:38 <Plugh> 14? There should be 13.
2016-02-12 18:39 <djphil> hmmm how that possible ! :o
2016-02-12 18:39 <djphil> http://pastebin.com/SZQZMG5G
2016-02-12 18:40 <Plugh> You have a gatekeeper field. I don't know where you got that. That must be part of something to do with Hypergrid support.
2016-02-12 18:41 <djphil> yep, me too
2016-02-12 18:42 <djphil> i will reinstall userpicks database from the sources osprofil.sql
2016-02-12 18:42 <djphil> 
ACTION brb

2016-02-12 18:42 <Plugh> The gatekeeper field is why you get the message about column count mismatch. You need to drop that column.
2016-02-12 19:11 <djphil> back
2016-02-12 19:12 <djphil> with Favorites working fine, tank's for support :)
2016-02-12 19:25 <Plugh> yw
2016-02-12 20:18 <Plugh> Afternoon, nebadon
2016-02-12 20:18 <nebadon> hello
2016-02-12 20:22 <colosi> Wondering if anyone can help.  I have been running a number of recent versions of OpenSim.  I checked out the 0.8.0.3 release from November of 2014, and I get an exception which looks like a config issue when I try to run.  I’m not sure.
2016-02-12 20:24 <Plugh> What is the exception message?
2016-02-12 20:24 <colosi> Exception: System.Exception: Could not load an ISimulationDataService implementation from OpenSim.Services.Connectors.dll:SimulationDataService, as configured in the LocalServiceModule parameter of the [SimulationDataStore] config section.
2016-02-12 20:25 <colosi> at OpenSim.OpenSimBase.StartupSpecific () <0x2e26db0 + 0x00483> in <filename unknown>:0 
2016-02-12 20:25 <colosi>   at OpenSim.OpenSim.StartupSpecific () <0x2d68230 + 0x0028f> in <filename unknown>:0 
2016-02-12 20:25 <colosi>   at OpenSim.Framework.Servers.BaseOpenSimServer.Startup () <0x2d64448 + 0x00023> in <filename unknown>:0 
2016-02-12 20:25 <colosi>   at OpenSim.Application.Main (System.String[] args) <0x2992090 + 0x0090f> in <filename unknown>:0 
2016-02-12 20:25 <Plugh> yea, I've seen that sort of message before. 
2016-02-12 20:26 <colosi> Any Idea what I have to do/modfy to fix it Plugh?
2016-02-12 20:26 <Plugh> First thing I suggest is you check the connection strings. Make sure you don't have any typos in the user name, password, or database name.
2016-02-12 20:27 <colosi> :q
2016-02-12 20:27 <Plugh> Next, make sure that the specified user has been granted permissions to access the database.
2016-02-12 20:28 <colosi> The connection strings have been working.  Is it possible that the format changed between Nov 2014 and the recent versions?
2016-02-12 20:29 <Plugh> The format hasn't changed.
2016-02-12 20:30 <Plugh> Check that you have uncommented one of the include lines in the Architecture section.
2016-02-12 20:30 <Plugh> of the OpenSIm.ini file.
2016-02-12 20:31 <colosi> Include-Architecture = "config-include/Standalone.ini"
2016-02-12 20:31 <colosi> is uncommented
2016-02-12 20:31 <Plugh> ok
2016-02-12 20:33 <Plugh> The file containing the connection strings is config-include/StandaloneCommon.ini
2016-02-12 20:33 <Plugh> You should also check that you have uncommented the appropriate StorageProvider setting based on which database you are using.
2016-02-12 20:35 <colosi> Could the issue be that my StandaloneCommon.ini (copied from later versions) in the GridInfo section has formats like the following:
2016-02-12 20:35 <colosi> login = ${Const|BaseURL}:9000/
2016-02-12 20:36 <colosi> whereas the older StandaloneComon.ini.example from 0.8.0.3 has the following format:
2016-02-12 20:36 <colosi> login = http://127.0.0.1:9000/
2016-02-12 20:37 <Plugh> oh, yes. I don't think support for using ${Const|blah} was added until 0.8.2
2016-02-12 20:39 <Plugh> For 0.8.0 just enter the URL and/or port name where required in the ini files.
2016-02-12 20:40 <colosi> Okay.  I’ll try adjusting StandaloneCommon.ini and see if it works.  Will get back to you soon.  Thanks.
2016-02-12 20:41 <Plugh> yw
2016-02-12 21:02 <colosi> Okay.  re-copied the bin/OpenSim.ini.example and bin/config-include/StandaloneCommon.ini.example to the ini files.  In OpenSim.ini, reconfigured the [Architecture]Include-Architecture to Standalone.ini.  In StandaloneCommon.ini, reconfigured the [DatabaseService]ConnectionString.  Still getting the same exception
2016-02-12 21:03 <colosi> APPLICATION EXCEPTION DETECTED: System.UnhandledExceptionEventArgs
2016-02-12 21:03 <colosi> Exception: System.Exception: Could not load an ISimulationDataService implementation from OpenSim.Services.Connectors.dll:SimulationDataService, as configured in the LocalServiceModule parameter of the [SimulationDataStore] config section.
2016-02-12 21:03 <colosi>   at OpenSim.OpenSimBase.StartupSpecific () <0x2ea0db0 + 0x00483> in <filename unknown>:0 
2016-02-12 21:03 <colosi>   at OpenSim.OpenSim.StartupSpecific () <0x2df1fd8 + 0x0028f> in <filename unknown>:0 
2016-02-12 21:03 <colosi>   at OpenSim.Framework.Servers.BaseOpenSimServer.Startup () <0x2ded618 + 0x00023> in <filename unknown>:0 
2016-02-12 21:03 <colosi>   at OpenSim.Application.Main (System.String[] args) <0x6e9090 + 0x0090f> in <filename unknown>:0 
2016-02-12 21:26 <Plugh> The only other suggestion I have for now is to check that the Data Source value in the connection string is the same as the hostname for the in the user permissions entry in the database.
2016-02-12 21:27 <Plugh> I need to go out for now. If I think of anything else I'll let you know when I get back.
2016-02-12 21:31 <Ken_S> Nebadon, Osgrid logins are currently restricted.  Any idea why?
2016-02-12 21:31 <colosi> Thanks Plugh
2016-02-12 21:45 <colosi> I came across this when searching online, but it did not fix the problem: https://github.com/M-O-S-E-S/mgm-node/issues/1
2016-02-12 23:48 <djphil> @ Plugh : Can you chech the "show in search" in your profil ?
2016-02-12 23:48 <djphil> http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=84181020160213004722.jpg
2016-02-12 23:49 <djphil> It remains unchecked here ...
2016-02-13 00:03 <colosi> plugh, I dug into that error a little further and logged some details.  The configuration value is accurate.  However, when pluginType.GetInterface(“OpenSim.Region.Framework.Interfaces.ISimulationDataService”) is called to retrieve the interface, it returns null.
2016-02-13 00:03 <colosi> That is the namespace and the correct name of the interface.  No idea why it is failing.
2016-02-13 00:16 <Plugh> djphil: Same at my end. I think that setting is related to showing profiles in a webpage outside of the viewer. I would need to use the WinGridProxy program to see what message (if any) is passed to OpenSim when that box is toggled.
2016-02-13 00:16 <djphil> you mean web profile ?
2016-02-13 00:16 <djphil> that different i thing ..
2016-02-13 00:16 <Plugh> yea, that.
2016-02-13 00:17 <djphil> the use web profil is a option in preference, if i remember ...
2016-02-13 00:17 <AliciaRaven> colosi, that error can be caused by mono addins old data i think, try to delete any folders in the bin directory like addin-db-002
2016-02-13 00:18 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: oh, yeah. That. The version of mono can also cause problems. So many possible sources for a problem. If we were documenting OpenSim in more detail this would be type of information to be written down. :)
2016-02-13 00:18 <AliciaRaven> i was just going to say i thought some versions of mono didnt play nice and gave that error lol
2016-02-13 00:19 <colosi> I’m going to give this a try AliciaRaven.
2016-02-13 00:19 <Plugh> I recently ran across a problem with a particular version of mono.
2016-02-13 00:19 <AliciaRaven> i remember nebadon was wrestling for awhile with that or a similar error and it turns out it was an early mono 4.* version
2016-02-13 00:20 <Plugh> I'm using mono 3.12.1 now. IIRC, I was having trouble with the 4.2.2 version provided by my distro.
2016-02-13 00:22 <nebadon> oh you know what AliciaRaven you are right
2016-02-13 00:22 <nebadon> i forgot about that
2016-02-13 00:22 <nebadon> early mono 4.x
2016-02-13 00:22 <nebadon> maybe 3.8 too
2016-02-13 00:23 <nebadon> however I think we ultimately fixed it in our code
2016-02-13 00:23 <AliciaRaven> i didnt have trouble with 3.8, not sure now, im sticking with 3.12 like Plugh
2016-02-13 00:25 <AliciaRaven> nebadon, i fixed the opengl crash i was telling u about the other day :)
2016-02-13 00:25 <nebadon> nice
2016-02-13 00:25 <AliciaRaven> step closer to working under linux
2016-02-13 00:25 <nebadon> cool
2016-02-13 00:25 <AliciaRaven> just some windows api stuff i need a linux alternative for
2016-02-13 00:26 <colosi> ugh
2016-02-13 00:26 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: What sort of Windows stuff?
2016-02-13 00:28 <AliciaRaven> getting clipboard access needs windows forms, and under linux those clipboard commands only work within the app and ignores the system clipboard
2016-02-13 00:28 <colosi> AliciaRaven, deleting that db file did not work.  However, I am running mono version 4.2.1.
2016-02-13 00:28 <AliciaRaven> also borderless window controls so the gui can have its own title bar and not the system one
2016-02-13 00:29 <AliciaRaven> colosi, that is probably the issue, try 3.12 or a newer 4.* version
2016-02-13 00:30 <Plugh> 
ACTION wonders why Internet radio stations don't fix their meta data. 

2016-02-13 00:30 <Plugh> This station is playing a song by Kansas they are calling "Point of Know Return".  :P
2016-02-13 00:31 <Plugh> Know instead of "no"?? Really? sheesh.
2016-02-13 00:34 <AliciaRaven> lol i just found one of my favorite songs in french, sounds so strange but so familiar lol
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2016-02-13 00:44 <Plugh> :)
2016-02-13 00:44 <colosi> AliciaRaven, you rock!
2016-02-13 00:45 <colosi> I was running mono 4.2.1.  Tried 4.2.2.  Same issue.  backed up to 3.12.1.  It works.
2016-02-13 00:45 <colosi> Thank you Plugh as well
2016-02-13 00:45 <Plugh> yw. Glad you got it going.
2016-02-13 00:45 <colosi> and nebadon
2016-02-13 00:45 <AliciaRaven> cool, i think later versions of 4 work ok
2016-02-13 00:45 <Plugh> yea, I think I had a problem with 4.2.2 which is why I changed to 3.12.1
2016-02-13 00:45 <AliciaRaven> never tried higher than 3.12 myself
2016-02-13 00:46 <colosi> I don’t think I have access to post on the opensimulator.org wiki yet.  Can someone add a note to the 0.8.0.3 release notes that this does not run with mono 4.x?
2016-02-13 00:51 <colosi> My coworker searched through the git history and found the commit which may have fixed this issue.
2016-02-13 00:51 <colosi> 4cbbbefbf63f6cab4241563ebf56c6b0bea30ed3
2016-02-13 00:52 <colosi> Sounds like diva removed the second arg which ignores case sensitivity.  While desired, her comment mentions that this was causing problems with mono 4.3.
2016-02-13 00:52 <colosi> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=4cbbbefbf63f6cab4241563ebf56c6b0bea30ed3
2016-02-13 00:54 <Plugh> hm... I wonder why ignoring case would cause a problem. I would think it more likely to be a problem if you didn't for some operating system.
2016-02-13 00:59 <colosi> Perhaps whatever function they are using to make both lowercase is causing a problem.
2016-02-13 01:01 <Melanie_> i believe i remember that one
2016-02-13 01:01 <Melanie_> it seems that somewhere in mono 4 the value is made caseless (either all lower or all upper)
2016-02-13 01:01 <Melanie_> so that further down, a case sensitive compare fails
2016-02-13 01:02 <Melanie_> remember, the basis of all winows stuff is case-insensitive
2016-02-13 01:02 <Melanie_> and mono 4 has thrown out huge swathes of mono code and replaced it with the opensources MS code
2016-02-13 01:03 <Melanie_> mono 3 has none of the MS code but mono 4 is on the way to converge with ,net fully on all the higher levels of the framework
2016-02-13 01:39 <VelusUniverseSys> can i speak to someone here that owns the rights to OpenSim please, can i speak to them in pm please
2016-02-13 01:39 <Melanie_> No one "owns" the rghts
2016-02-13 01:40 <Melanie_> opensim is releaed under the BSD license which makes it free for all to use, requiring only attribution
2016-02-13 01:40 <Melanie_> the only formal body ever to be associated with any sort of opensim management is the Overte Foundation
2016-02-13 01:40 <Melanie_> for lack of need thos was reduced to an informal entity
2016-02-13 01:41 <VelusUniverseSys> ok how do i contact them?
2016-02-13 01:41 <nebadon> what is the issue?
2016-02-13 01:42 <VelusUniverseSys> its not really an issue
2016-02-13 01:42 <VelusUniverseSys> can i pm you nebadon 
2016-02-13 01:42 <Melanie_> you do need to understand that overte neither own opensim rights nor has the authority to deny or allow it's use
2016-02-13 01:42 <nebadon> I don't speak for the whole group, would be better said here
2016-02-13 01:43 <Melanie_> and that opensim is licensed BSD and that license can not be changed without ALL contributors agreeing
2016-02-13 01:43 <Melanie_> at least all whose code still exists in opensim
2016-02-13 01:43 <Melanie_> so there is no way to grant a "commercial license" or equal tomfoolery
2016-02-13 01:43 <nebadon> there is no need to
2016-02-13 01:43 <Melanie_> neiter is there a way to get any legal control, like injunctions against someone using it
2016-02-13 01:44 <Melanie_> the spirit fo opensim is open
2016-02-13 01:44 <Melanie_> nebadon: commecial entities might be looking for a commercial license just in order to drop the attribution requirement
2016-02-13 01:44 <Melanie_> so i wanted to rule that out right here
2016-02-13 01:45 <nebadon> ah i see your point
2016-02-13 01:45 <VelusUniverseSys> no its nothing like a commercial licence, its about a project that is in the hush hush atm 
2016-02-13 01:46 <nebadon> I do not have a lot of time myself, also im not interested that much on working on secret projects at the moment
2016-02-13 01:47 <misterblue>  OpenSimulator is licensed under the BSD license and thus the sources can be used for commercial purposes and modified and the modifications don't need to be returned to the community (may be kept proprietary)
2016-02-13 01:47 <nebadon> id prefer anything i do be availble to the public
2016-02-13 01:47 <misterblue> there is not a separate "commercial license"
2016-02-13 01:50 <VelusUniverseSys> its not a commercial licence im after and its not a modifaction on it, it would be a production of a musical and wanted to promote opensim with it,
2016-02-13 01:51 <Melanie_> nebadon: would you please link VelusUniverseSys to the opensimulator logi and design guidelines on the wiki (i seem to have mislaid the URL)
2016-02-13 01:51 <misterblue> like Melanie_ said, there is not an offical body coordinating any publicity or whatever... mention you're using it and say it's a Good Thing 
2016-02-13 01:52 <Melanie_> misterblue: i have him in PM and laying out the legal requirements to him
2016-02-13 01:52 <Melanie_> especially not using "OpenSim" ;)
2016-02-13 01:52 <Melanie_> that is why i hope nebadon has the link handy
2016-02-13 02:33 <nebadon> hey sorry let me see if i can find it
2016-02-13 02:34 <VelusUniverseSys> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OpenSim_Graphics
2016-02-13 02:35 <nebadon> there is this also
2016-02-13 02:35 <nebadon> http://conference.opensimulator.org/2014/about/branding-guidelines/
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2016-02-13 08:29 <SignpostMarv> 
ACTION waves

2016-02-13 08:30 <SignpostMarv> doing some silly shit today
2016-02-13 08:37 <SignpostMarv> if one wants to use Prebuild in another project, is it better to do some `git filter-branch` magic & submodule the source or just bundle the binary ?
2016-02-13 11:27 <SignpostMarv> 
ACTION is doing stupid things today https://twitter.com/SignpostMarv/status/698462827959422978

2016-02-13 11:28 <SignpostMarv> bundled in prebuild last night, git submodule'd libomv this morning
2016-02-13 11:28 <SignpostMarv> wondering if it'd be appropriate to submodule prebuild as well
2016-02-13 15:05 <osmantis> Bug #7828:04 Seated vehicle should not be autoreturned if vehicle owner/group doesn't match current parcel owner/group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7828 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-02-13 15:53 <osmantis> Bug #7826:04 Console Error re HG Groups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7826 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-02-13 16:56 <djphil> Hi, i try to understand and find the best way to create a weblogin page using the same login/pass then opensim account create with console
2016-02-13 16:56 <djphil> i found opensim create account like this:
2016-02-13 16:57 <djphil> string passwordSalt = Util.Md5Hash(UUID.Random().ToString());
2016-02-13 16:57 <djphil> string md5PasswdHash = Util.Md5Hash(Util.Md5Hash(password) + ":" + passwordSalt);
2016-02-13 16:57 <djphil> Right ?
2016-02-13 16:57 <djphil> My question is, where is stored the "random uuid"
2016-02-13 16:58 <djphil> because i need it to recteate the pass to allow login on my web page
2016-02-13 16:58 <djphil> On my web login page a try that :
2016-02-13 16:58 <djphil> $passwordSalt   = md5(str_replace("-", "", randomUUID()));
2016-02-13 16:58 <djphil> $passwordHash   = md5(md5($password).":".$passwordSalt);
2016-02-13 16:59 <djphil> that work but of course the password generate is different because the random uuid is different too
2016-02-13 16:59 <djphil> so that why i need to know the random uuid generate by opensim console
2016-02-13 17:00 <djphil> where is strored this random uuid ?
2016-02-13 17:00 <djphil> If the viewer is able to connect, how he made it ?
2016-02-13 17:01 <djphil> i whant use the same way to login to my webpage
2016-02-13 17:03 <djphil> Actually i found only one way, i create a new account was registration.php page and if user already exist in opensim database, i update the passhash and pass salt n opensim "Auth" database.
2016-02-13 17:03 <djphil> That goal not the best way for sure ...
2016-02-13 17:04 <djphil> I thought at one time that was random uuid the UUID of the avatar ... but that's not it, i tried.
2016-02-13 17:10 <Plugh> UUID.Random() is a call to a function which generates a random UUID.
2016-02-13 17:10 <djphil> yes
2016-02-13 17:10 <djphil> of course you will understand, I want to have the same login and password for my webpage than opensim and that the account created by silk opensim console or web registration page ...
2016-02-13 17:11 <djphil> i need to know this 02UUID.Random()01 generate
2016-02-13 17:11 <djphil> else how i can login ...
2016-02-13 17:12 <djphil> this random uuid is stored somewhere ?
2016-02-13 17:12 <Plugh> No, its random. You get a different UUID string each time you call that function.
2016-02-13 17:12 <djphil> yes sure
2016-02-13 17:13 <djphil> but the viewer can login without know this uuid to recreate the valid pass
2016-02-13 17:13 <djphil> how the viewer do that ...
2016-02-13 17:13 <djphil> if the viewer can do that ... then a web login page can do that too ...
2016-02-13 17:14 <djphil> but how ?
2016-02-13 17:14 <Plugh> Once you generate a random UUID it is used to generate the passwordSalt and you store that passwordSalt value in the database record for the avatar so the salt can be used when generating  the value to be saved in the passwordHash field of the database entry for the avatar.
2016-02-13 17:14 <Plugh> Are you using a PHP based system to create avatars?
2016-02-13 17:15 <djphil> is used for pass salt yes, but is used for pass hash too
2016-02-13 17:15 <djphil> Util.Md5Hash(Util.Md5Hash(password) + ":" + passwordSalt);
2016-02-13 17:15 <djphil> i create avatar account by 2 ways
2016-02-13 17:15 <djphil> one way is console
2016-02-13 17:16 <djphil> one is web registration.php page
2016-02-13 17:16 <djphil> i whant to use opensim console registration
2016-02-13 17:16 <djphil> +
2016-02-13 17:16 <djphil> login by web page
2016-02-13 17:16 <Plugh> ok. One way to generate a random UUID in PHP for use as the salt is
2016-02-13 17:16 <Plugh> $passwordSalt = md5(microtime() . mt_rand(0,0xffff));
2016-02-13 17:17 <djphil> actueally with php i do that
2016-02-13 17:17 <djphil> $passwordSalt   = md5(str_replace("-", "", randomUUID()));
2016-02-13 17:17 <djphil> you way is best ?
2016-02-13 17:18 <djphil> i will try with md5(microtime() . mt_rand(0,0xffff))
2016-02-13 17:19 <djphil> but i no understand something
2016-02-13 17:19 <Plugh> If your version of php has a function randomUUID() you can use that. When I wrote a login system I didn't have such a function so I used the line I showed you.
2016-02-13 17:20 <djphil> ok, no problem to create a random uuid
2016-02-13 17:20 <djphil> but somthing i no understand
2016-02-13 17:20 <djphil> if the uuid generate is allways different
2016-02-13 17:21 <djphil> how i can verify the login password when i try to connect ...
2016-02-13 17:21 <djphil> that my problem !
2016-02-13 17:22 <djphil> if the uuid is allways different, the pass salt too ... and if pass salt is always different, the passhash is allways different too ...
2016-02-13 17:23 <djphil> i know only one way ... store the random uuid somewhere ... and use it the same for login verify ...
2016-02-13 17:23 <Plugh> The salt is only calculated one time. When you are registering a new user you generate a salt value and save it in the UserAccounts table for the user. When you want to verify a password you retrieve the previously saved salt value and use it to encode the provided password and compare that value against the previously saved hashed password.
2016-02-13 17:24 <djphil> ok
2016-02-13 17:24 <djphil> that what i search to do
2016-02-13 17:25 <Plugh> To clarify one point, when you are registering a new user you generate the salt value and generate the hashed password provided by the user and save *both* values in to the UserAccounts table for the avatar.
2016-02-13 17:25 <djphil> yes
2016-02-13 17:26 <Plugh> Once both are saved, checking for a valid password uses the procedure I gave earlier.
2016-02-13 17:28 <djphil> ha I think I understood
2016-02-13 17:28 <djphil> I'm going to try ...
2016-02-13 17:33 <Plugh> djphil: You may find the sample code at the bottom of the page about random_int() in PHP (a better function than mt_rand()) worth looking at.
2016-02-13 17:35 <djphil> ok
2016-02-13 17:37 <Plugh> Lunch time. bbl.
2016-02-13 17:38 <djphil> actually i use this code to generate a random uuid
2016-02-13 17:38 <djphil> http://pastebin.com/m0ZJxx1v
2016-02-13 17:38 <djphil> Enjoy your meal!
2016-02-13 17:46 <djphil> Yes! i thing i found :) I seam to work now
2016-02-13 17:46 <djphil> again tywm to Plugh :)
2016-02-13 18:22 <Plugh> yw, again, djphil
2016-02-13 18:23 <djphil> hehe :)
2016-02-13 18:24 <Plugh> I have seen that technique used for generating a random UUID. From what I read it might be worth using random_int() instead of mt_rand but it just for making a salt string so mt_rand() should be good enough.
2016-02-13 18:26 <djphil> yes ... this is not really a problem for me.
2016-02-13 18:26 <djphil> Simply generate a random chain e
2016-02-13 18:26 <djphil> This need not be a valid UUID
2016-02-13 18:26 <djphil> he just needs to be something random
2016-02-13 18:27 <djphil> right ?
2016-02-13 18:27 <Plugh> yup
2016-02-13 18:27 <djphil> :)
2016-02-13 18:27 <djphil> at this time i have osgroup, osprofile, ossearch, osofflineim, osguide working 100% fine :)
2016-02-13 18:28 <djphil> but there are still two things I can not do well
2016-02-13 18:28 <djphil> first is display picks (convert blob data)
2016-02-13 18:29 <djphil> second is create avatars basics parts and wear (actually my avatar create with php is a cloud).
2016-02-13 18:30 <djphil> The inventory is ok but the avatar wear nothing
2016-02-13 18:30 <djphil> I think these two issues will be difficult for me :p
2016-02-13 18:31 <djphil> i can create proper avatar with radmin or justin tools (using service)
2016-02-13 18:32 <djphil> but i can't with my own php code
2016-02-13 18:32 <djphil> hehe :p
2016-02-13 18:32 <Plugh> hm... I haven't heard of osguide before.
2016-02-13 18:32 <djphil> let me show you
2016-02-13 18:32 <djphil> http://digigrids.no-ip.org/osguide/
2016-02-13 18:33 <djphil> adress is "public" now :p
2016-02-13 18:33 <Plugh> It is not very difficult to populate a new avatars inventory to give them clothing when they login but it isn't trivial dealing with inventory.
2016-02-13 18:33 <djphil> just need to put all that on github soon :)
2016-02-13 18:33 <Plugh> Did you create osguide?
2016-02-13 18:33 <djphil> yes, 100% by me
2016-02-13 18:34 <djphil> and is very easy to use for users
2016-02-13 18:34 <Plugh> oh, nice.
2016-02-13 18:34 <djphil> just put a prim with lsl script inside on you parcel
2016-02-13 18:34 <djphil> that all
2016-02-13 18:34 <djphil> i whant to do "easy" for users
2016-02-13 18:35 <djphil> that a priority
2016-02-13 18:35 <djphil> the guide have a inword part too
2016-02-13 18:35 <djphil> see help/demo
2016-02-13 18:36 <Plugh> That will be very useful addition to grids.
2016-02-13 18:36 <djphil> yes, i hope
2016-02-13 18:37 <Plugh> I have one comment about the information under Help.
2016-02-13 18:37 <djphil> at this stage, it is somewhat automatic.
2016-02-13 18:37 <djphil> yes ?
2016-02-13 18:38 <Plugh> You show changes(?) for OpenSimDefaults.ini. The general rule is that file should never be changed. If you need to use different values they need to be changed in OpenSim.ini or added to OpenSim.ini
2016-02-13 18:38 <djphil> ha yes ...
2016-02-13 18:39 <Plugh> oh, and you have "OSFunctionThreatLevel = VeryHigh" which is also not a good idea. If you need to use some OSSL functions that are not normally enabled you can turn on just the ones you need.
2016-02-13 18:40 <djphil> if i remember the lsl script, i use osKey2Name to get clean hypergrid username
2016-02-13 18:41 <djphil> ok, I'll narrow down a bit to function then ossl
2016-02-13 18:41 <Plugh> You can use Allow_osKey2Name=true
2016-02-13 18:42 <djphil> yep
2016-02-13 18:42 <djphil> I will try to do something ...
2016-02-13 18:42 <Plugh> That function is enabled for estate managers and owners.
2016-02-13 18:42 <djphil> that does not need to change the thread level
2016-02-13 18:43 <djphil> only the parcel owner can use the script to add the parcel in guide
2016-02-13 18:43 <djphil> the lsl veryfy that before
2016-02-13 18:43 <djphil> and if isn't the owner, the prim is deleted immediatly with lldie()
2016-02-13 18:44 <Plugh> um... btw, LSL has llKey2Name. I don't know why you need the OSSL version.
2016-02-13 18:44 <djphil> llKey2Name don't get proper HG user name
2016-02-13 18:44 <Plugh> ok.
2016-02-13 18:44 <djphil> that why i use osKey2Name
2016-02-13 18:45 <djphil> but username is used for fun in the script
2016-02-13 18:45 <djphil> maybee i can remove it ...
2016-02-13 18:46 <djphil> but i don't like remove the "fun" part :)
2016-02-13 18:47 <Plugh> If the script will be part of an object owned by estate owner or manager it will already have the ability to use that function without having to change osslEnable.ini
2016-02-13 18:49 <djphil> yes, i'm fine verify the ossl Default settings in osslenable.ini
2016-02-13 18:50 <djphil> Work is not yet fully completed
2016-02-13 18:50 <djphil> And consider your comments
2016-02-13 18:50 <djphil> to make better
2016-02-13 18:51 <Plugh> Let me know when you have code available for general use. I would like to try it in a grid.
2016-02-13 18:51 <djphil> np
2016-02-13 18:54 <Plugh> hm... odd. Avination welcome screen says it is online but I just get login failed.
2016-02-13 18:59 <Plugh> djphil: on the main page you pointed me to "Requierment" should be "Requirement"
2016-02-13 18:59 <djphil> ty, fixed!
2016-02-13 19:02 <djphil> i have modified the ossl section on the help page
2016-02-13 19:02 <djphil> that better now ?
2016-02-13 19:02 <Plugh> ok
2016-02-13 19:03 <Plugh> um...
2016-02-13 19:03 <djphil> grrrr
2016-02-13 19:03 <Plugh> I think that is ok. I just had to think about it for a moment
2016-02-13 19:04 <Plugh> hm... 
2016-02-13 19:05 <Plugh> Not related to what you are doing, djphil. I'm wondering how osGetMapTexture is different from the function name I expected to see. I'll have to check what that does.
2016-02-13 19:06 <djphil> ha, why ?
2016-02-13 19:06 <Plugh> ah, I see the difference.
2016-02-13 19:07 <djphil> you mean osGetMapTexture vs osGetRegionMapTexture
2016-02-13 19:08 <djphil> in the lsl terminal script, i use it only for "fun" too
2016-02-13 19:08 <Plugh> yes. I didn't know there was an osGetMapTexture.
2016-02-13 19:08 <djphil> oki
2016-02-13 19:09 <djphil> so, help.php is closed :)
2016-02-13 19:20 <djphil> i found singularity have a problem with the search url too
2016-02-13 19:22 <djphil> it display a error 404 page ...
2016-02-13 19:24 <djphil> Plugh you know something about AvatarPicker work progression ?
2016-02-13 19:26 <djphil> we need a easy way for the "clic" action :)
2016-02-13 19:28 <Plugh> I'm not sure what you mean by that.
2016-02-13 19:31 <djphil> to wear immediatly a avatar from the avatar picker we need a "clic" action, or a url with special params to "wear"
2016-02-13 19:32 <djphil> isn't secondlife://myavatarfrompiecker/wearme
2016-02-13 19:32 <djphil> that probably why OpenSim.ini say "work in progress" for the Avatar Picker
2016-02-13 19:33 <djphil> no?
2016-02-13 19:34 <LiruCookies> Nyan
2016-02-13 19:34 <Plugh> I'm not familiar with that feature. I had a different way of giving an avatar a default appearance.
2016-02-13 19:35 <djphil> ok
2016-02-13 19:37 <LiruCookies> secondlife:///app/wear_folder
2016-02-13 19:37 <djphil> thaht work ?
2016-02-13 19:38 <djphil> that*
2016-02-13 19:38 <LiruCookies> Should
2016-02-13 19:38 <djphil> wow :)
2016-02-13 19:38 <LiruCookies> need to pass it a folder_name or a folder_id
2016-02-13 19:39 <djphil> wow wow, i try taht immediatly !!!
2016-02-13 19:47 <djphil> LiruCookies : [11:47] Grid: The SLurl you clicked on is not supported.
2016-02-13 19:47 <djphil> i try with secondlife:///app/avipicker01
2016-02-13 19:47 <LiruCookies> secondlife:///app/wear_folder/
2016-02-13 19:48 <djphil> tested in FS
2016-02-13 19:48 <djphil> kk, try
2016-02-13 19:56 <djphil> that don't work LiruCookies
2016-02-13 19:57 <djphil> i'm trying with secondlife:///app/avipicker01/
2016-02-13 19:57 <djphil> and with secondlife:///app/avipicker01
2016-02-13 19:57 <djphil> the "avipicker01" folder is as root on my inventory
2016-02-13 19:58 <Melanie_> djphil: see above
2016-02-13 19:58 <Melanie_> secondlife:///app/wear_folder/avipicker01
2016-02-13 19:58 <Melanie_> would probably be right
2016-02-13 19:59 <djphil> ha ok, let me try that then
2016-02-13 19:59 <djphil> i read again this page too
2016-02-13 19:59 <djphil> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Viewer_URI_Name_Space
2016-02-13 20:00 <VelusUniverseSys> should there be 3 / after the secondlife: or should it be 2
2016-02-13 20:00 <djphil> 3 for that
2016-02-13 20:00 <djphil> 2 to teleport to a region
2016-02-13 20:00 <Melanie_> the app namespace begins with /
2016-02-13 20:00 <Melanie_> and the protocol spec separator is ://
2016-02-13 20:01 <Melanie_> therefore three
2016-02-13 20:01 <VelusUniverseSys> ok i wasnt sure so i thought i would ask.
2016-02-13 20:01 <Melanie_> the third being passed to the called object
2016-02-13 20:01 <Melanie_> similar to file:// urls
2016-02-13 20:01 <VelusUniverseSys> ok
2016-02-13 20:01 <Melanie_> file:///tmp/some_file
2016-02-13 20:01 <Melanie_> and file://tmp/some_file don't mean the same thing
2016-02-13 20:01 <VelusUniverseSys> gotcha
2016-02-13 20:01 <Melanie_> the first will look in /tmp
2016-02-13 20:02 <Melanie_> the second will look in s ubdir named tmp in the current directory
2016-02-13 20:02 <VelusUniverseSys> i have been coding before and put in my files and wondered why it never whent where it was supose to http:///www.domain.com and took me days to figgure out i had 3 / 
2016-02-13 20:03 <djphil> arfff don't work Melanie_ with the url you give me above
2016-02-13 20:03 <djphil> [12:03] Grid: The SLurl you clicked on is not supported
2016-02-13 20:04 <djphil> i hae to try wityh secondlife:///app/Clothing/avipicker01/ and with secondlife:///app/Clothing/avipicker01
2016-02-13 20:05 <djphil> both return "not supported"
2016-02-13 20:07 <djphil> in the SL wiki i see that
2016-02-13 20:07 <djphil> ... /wear_folder
2016-02-13 20:07 <djphil> /?folder_id=<inventory_folder_uuid> replace outfit with contents of specified folder (2.6)
2016-02-13 20:08 <djphil> it seam the curect url requiere ?folder_id=<inventory_folder_uuid>
2016-02-13 20:08 <djphil> correct*
2016-02-13 20:11 <LiruCookies> Because both of those go against what we've been telling you
2016-02-13 20:12 <LiruCookies> folder_id or folder_name whichever
2016-02-13 20:14 <djphil> arfff it say again "not supported" :s
2016-02-13 20:15 <djphil> i will try with another viewer
2016-02-13 20:18 <djphil> Singularity say me the same message, "not supported"
2016-02-13 20:20 <djphil> normaly the corect url is "secondlife:///app/5691613c-324e-4147-8842-ec9a4a51a1bd/?folder_id=be05eb6b-1aab-c610-32df-b4a97ff1284a"
2016-02-13 20:20 <djphil> right ?
2016-02-13 20:26 <djphil> what is the "wear_folder" ? Is the "Current Outfit" folder ?
2016-02-13 20:29 <djphil> ok, found !!!
2016-02-13 20:33 <djphil> for info, only this url work fine here : secondlife:///app/wear_folder/?folder_id=be05eb6b-1aab-c610-32df-b4a97ff1284a
2016-02-13 20:34 <djphil> but you need to create a folder called exactly "wear_folder" with another folder inside with the avatar
2016-02-13 20:35 <djphil> that the correct way
2016-02-13 20:38 <djphil> now i need to write some php to get avatar folders uuid
2016-02-13 20:38 <djphil> ty for help :)
2016-02-13 20:39 <djphil> i see a strange thing ...
2016-02-13 20:40 <djphil> every time i clic on a avatar picker, that put a new complet avatar in my Clothing folder
2016-02-13 20:40 <djphil> hehe that a bit dangerous if a user make multiple clic
2016-02-13 20:41 <djphil> all clic is a new avatar in the inventory :o
2016-02-13 20:41 <djphil> it can't compare existing avatar first ?
2016-02-13 20:42 <djphil> before adding another copy
2016-02-13 21:31 <djphil> anyone know how is called the "inventoryfolders" database when using opensim configured with SQLite ?
2016-02-13 21:31 <djphil> maybee the same name ... i don't lnow
2016-02-13 21:32 <djphil> i don't have any simulator configured with SQLite here
2016-02-13 21:33 <djphil> maybee opensim have this information on the wiki ?
2016-02-13 21:38 <djphil> this database documentation is for MySql only or for Sqlite too ?
2016-02-13 21:38 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Inventoryfolders
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2016-02-14 07:37 <Plugh> IIRC, if you include a file in an ini the include is processed after the current file has been processed?
2016-02-14 09:29 <SignpostMarv> 
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2016-02-14 09:33 <AliciaRaven> 
ACTION waves at SignpostMarv

2016-02-14 09:34 <SignpostMarv> how're things ?
2016-02-14 09:35 <AliciaRaven> ok, u?
2016-02-14 09:36 <SignpostMarv> yarp. doing silly things with ajaxlife this weekend :P
2016-02-14 09:39 <AliciaRaven> interesting project
2016-02-14 09:39 <SignpostMarv> i was pleasantly surprised that it worked out of the box
2016-02-14 09:40 <AliciaRaven> i didnt know what it was till i asked google lol
2016-02-14 09:52 <SignpostMarv> it used to be a hosted browser-based viewer of sorts
2016-02-14 09:55 <SignpostMarv> feeling the need to refamiliarise myself with open source projects I've committed to in years gone by
2016-02-14 19:24 <djphil> @ Plugh: osguide available :)
2016-02-14 19:29 <Plugh> djphil: ok, cool. ty. I'll have a look at it later as I'm working on something not related to code or websites right now.
2016-02-14 19:30 <djphil> np
2016-02-14 20:18 <velus> what  you  working on that is website related?
2016-02-14 20:26 <djphil> what ?
2016-02-14 20:26 <velus> i was asking Plugh  what code he was working on website related
2016-02-14 20:27 <velus> djphil, did you say you written an os guide?
2016-02-14 20:28 <Plugh> velus: I'm not working on code now. I'm double, triple, and quadruple checking measurements of parts of a connector so I can make a PCB footprint for a circuit board I want to get made.
2016-02-14 20:28 <djphil> yes
2016-02-14 20:28 <velus> nice Plugh whats it for ?
2016-02-14 20:28 <Plugh> velus: osguide, not a guide to OpenSimulator
2016-02-14 20:29 <Plugh> velus: I've designed a GPS receiver attachment for my digital camera.
2016-02-14 20:29 <velus> osguide to what which one?
2016-02-14 20:29 <velus> nice
2016-02-14 20:31 <Plugh> velus: osguide is a module djphil wrote to support the Destinations feature of a viewer.
2016-02-14 20:31 <velus> oh ok nice 
2016-02-14 20:31 <velus> would love to see it some time atm im a little busy with something atm
2016-02-14 20:36 <Plugh> bb;
2016-02-14 20:36 <Plugh> bbl
2016-02-14 21:12 <JeffKelley> avatars in About Land>Access>Banned Residents should appear in the regionban table, correct ?
2016-02-14 21:18 <LiruCookies> About Land is for the parcel.
2016-02-14 21:18 <AliciaRaven> JeffKelley, region ban table is region wide bans, about land is parcel bans
2016-02-14 21:18 <AliciaRaven> snap lol
2016-02-14 21:19 <LiruCookies> Hey, Alicia!
2016-02-14 21:19 <AliciaRaven> hey LiruCookies, hows things
2016-02-14 21:19 <JeffKelley> i'm wrong, i see then in landaccesslist with flag=2
2016-02-14 21:19 <LiruCookies> Things are as good as they can be, and with you?
2016-02-14 21:20 <AliciaRaven> going well, working with 3d graphics code these days
2016-02-14 21:21 <AliciaRaven> finding out what a #@!% opengl can be lol
2016-02-14 21:22 <LiruCookies> Hah, indeed.
2016-02-14 21:24 <JeffKelley> parcel ban seems broken in 8.2.1 release
2016-02-14 21:26 <JeffKelley> and in 8.3 too
2016-02-14 21:28 <JeffKelley> and .9 too
2016-02-14 21:28 <JeffKelley> time to mantis ;(
2016-02-14 21:30 <AliciaRaven> JeffKelley that sounds familiar, check there isnt already one open
2016-02-14 21:31 <JeffKelley> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7274 ?
2016-02-14 21:32 <AliciaRaven> no im sure i seen one in the past few months, around xmas i think
2016-02-14 21:34 <JeffKelley> it fits with 7274, comments report that non-var are affected also
2016-02-14 21:38 <AliciaRaven> JeffKelley, i had a look but i cant find it, maybe it was a dream lol
2016-02-14 21:40 <JeffKelley> what is best? re-opening a mantis or creating a new one with a reference to the closed one?
2016-02-14 21:40 <AliciaRaven> new one i would say
2016-02-14 21:47 <osmantis> Bug #7829:04 Users added to parcel ban list are still able to enter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7829 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-02-14 21:48 <osmantis> Bug #7829:04 Users added to parcel ban list are still able to enter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7829 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007274.
2016-02-14 21:48 <osmantis> Bug #7274:04 Users added to parcel & estate ban list are still able to go to a var and stay as long as they want. Have not tested on non var 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7274 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007829.
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2016-02-15 12:21 <osmantis> Bug #7829:04 Users added to parcel ban list are still able to enter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7829 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-02-15 13:25 <osmantis> Bug #7830:04 non group member can randomly enter a group access only parcel 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7830 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2016-02-21 03:19 <smxy> I found out why it's happening: more config files than should be, are getting loaded, like standalone ones, for example. So I have to figure out why. Should be easy enough to track down.
2016-02-21 03:24 <smxy> Has the behavior of any OpenSim.exe arguments, regarding where config files are read from, changed?
2016-02-21 03:24 <diva> no
2016-02-21 03:25 <smxy> okay
2016-02-21 03:28 <smxy> So I just have to figure out why the binary 0.8.2.1 is reading things it shouldn't, but my dev code (and everything before it, that I've compiled) doesn't: http://pastebin.com/LFxpxgJK It definitely explains the sqlite stuff. :)
2016-02-21 03:38 <Guest5457> Starting build #4596 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-02-21 03:39 <smxy> Did you notice you have a conflict, diva?
2016-02-21 03:44 <Guest5457> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4596: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4596/
2016-02-21 03:44 <Guest5457> diva@metaverseink.com: Flatten migrations for MySQL.
2016-02-21 03:56 <osmantis> Bug #7670:04 [RADMIN] admin_create_user is broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7670 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-02-21 05:05 <smxy> Found what was throwing things off. The binary release includes an OpenSim.ini file, in addition to the example version. It was getting read and pulling in other files. Deleting it fixed everything.
2016-02-21 05:25 <diva> yes smxy the bin releases include an opensim.ini ready to run
2016-02-21 05:28 <smxy> At least the mystery is solved and I'm upgraded now. :)
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2016-02-21 15:16 <Guest5457> Starting build #4597 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-02-21 15:18 <Plugh> smxy: When you switched between OS versions you were using the same version of mono to run them?
2016-02-21 15:21 <Plugh> Time for breakfast. bbl
2016-02-21 15:22 <Guest5457> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4597: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4597/
2016-02-21 15:22 <Guest5457> diva@metaverseink.com: MySQL migrations: fix one last migration that had been left behind
2016-02-21 16:07 <Plugh> What are the reasons behind the migrations in master? New features?
2016-02-21 16:10 <diva> no, the time it takes to start fresh sims
2016-02-21 16:14 <Plugh> ok. The plan is to reduce the number of DB migration steps needed during startup? I didn't think it took all that long to migrate the databases on a fresh startup but I haven't had an empty set of DB's in a long time.
2016-02-21 16:14 <diva> it takes forever
2016-02-21 16:15 <Plugh> 
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2016-02-21 16:15 <Plugh> 
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2016-02-21 16:15 <diva> Melanie_T I want to flatten the sqlite mugrations too, but I'm encountering something odd there that I'm not sure of the consequences
2016-02-21 16:15 <Plugh> Oh, an 080PF related question (if you can remember that far back). :)
2016-02-21 16:16 <diva> There was a migration on the region store (17) where the prims data was copied to a temp table, then the original prims table was dropped, then recreated again and the data copied over. In that recreation, the fields weren't given any types or default values. As a consequence the final creation command doesn't have types of default values for the prims. Is that ok?
2016-02-21 16:16 <Plugh> I have an LSL script that sends messages to a channel number greater than 0. The receiving device receives the message when shouted but not when whispers, or said. The two devices are within whisper range of each other.
2016-02-21 16:17 <Plugh> I don't know if that is a bug or feature. I'm about to test this soon on 0.8.2PF
2016-02-21 16:30 <diva> ok, well, I added the types and default values manually
2016-02-21 16:44 <diva> the prims table in sqlite was a bit of a mess. It had lost its primary key along the way...
2016-02-21 17:13 <Guest5457> Starting build #4598 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-02-21 17:18 <Guest5457> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4598: FAILURE in 5 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4598/
2016-02-21 17:18 <Guest5457> * diva@metaverseink.com: Flatten migrations for sqlite
2016-02-21 17:18 <Guest5457> * diva@metaverseink.com: SQLite: Removed obsolete migration file
2016-02-21 17:34 <Plugh> I just tested llSay, llShout, and llWhisper in 082PF and my device only receives the Shout.
2016-02-21 17:52 <diva> there's something completely bizarre on the inventory tables in sqlite
2016-02-21 17:52 <Plugh> how so?
2016-02-21 17:53 <diva> the schema in the migrations table is one thing, then when the tables get created they are completely different!
2016-02-21 17:53 <diva> oh crap
2016-02-21 17:53 <diva> it's the old inventory
2016-02-21 17:53 <diva> geez
2016-02-21 17:53 <Plugh> That is rather odd unless the schema is calling for something not support in SQLite.
2016-02-21 17:54 <Plugh> That was my next thought. The SQLite tables may not be up to date.
2016-02-21 17:54 <diva> the old inventyory schema is still around in sqlite, both of them
2016-02-21 17:56 <diva> sigh and the tests are on the old one... 
2016-02-21 18:00 <JeffKelley> Plugh : 0.8.2PF is 0.8.2.1 ?
2016-02-21 18:08 <Plugh> yes
2016-02-21 18:09 <diva> not anymore... I added a few things yesterday and today
2016-02-21 18:09 <Plugh> JeffKelley: I build OpenSim directly from the source code repository so I use branch names.
2016-02-21 18:09 <Plugh> diva: not any more for what?
2016-02-21 18:09 <diva> 0.8.2PF is not 0.8.2.1
2016-02-21 18:09 <JeffKelley> i can't repro your issue in 0.8.2.1 Release tarball
2016-02-21 18:10 <JeffKelley> are you crossing parcels ?
2016-02-21 18:10 <Plugh> I can't think of what would cause the problem. My object does not hear whispers or shouts on non-zero channels sent from an LSL script.
2016-02-21 18:11 <Plugh> no.
2016-02-21 18:11 <Plugh> The two objects are 4m to 4.5m apart. That is well within whisper range.
2016-02-21 18:12 <Plugh> JeffKelley: did you test using a scripted object to send a whisper or say or did you test via voice chat command line?
2016-02-21 18:12 <JeffKelley> script to script
2016-02-21 18:12 <Plugh> ok
2016-02-21 18:12 <Plugh> I see the same problem in 080 and 082
2016-02-21 18:13 <Plugh> diva: 082PF should be the latest code. It will be at 0.8.2.1 but it could be ahead of that release.
2016-02-21 18:14 <Plugh> I thought 0.8.2.1 is the last release and there hasn't been any other code changes in 0.8.2 since the .1 version came out.
2016-02-21 18:16 <Plugh> JeffKelley: What channel number did you use for your script to script test?
2016-02-21 18:16 <JeffKelley> 18
2016-02-21 18:16 <Plugh> ok
2016-02-21 18:16 <JeffKelley> yours ?
2016-02-21 18:16 <Plugh> I'm using 840 but that shouldn't matter.
2016-02-21 18:18 <Plugh> I can't think of any ini setting that would have anything to do with what types of chat a device will hear.
2016-02-21 18:22 <JeffKelley> is it isotropic ?
2016-02-21 18:26 <Plugh> Is it what now?
2016-02-21 18:28 <Plugh> I tried with port 18 and it made no difference.
2016-02-21 18:35 <zadarkTap1> diva: while in house keeping mode, look at AssemblyVersion for current dev/master (0.9) in AssemblyInfo.cs 43 show 0.8.3.* 14 show 0.8.2.*
2016-02-21 18:36 <diva> ok
2016-02-21 18:37 <Guest5457> Starting build #4599 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4597 3 hr 28 min ago)
2016-02-21 18:42 <Guest5457> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-02-21 18:42 <Guest5457> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4599: FIXED in 5 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4599/
2016-02-21 18:42 <Guest5457> diva@metaverseink.com: The old sqlite inventory data interface was still around and causing problems: the only part of the code using it was the data (sqlite) tests. Given that this old interface has been obsolete for several years, it has now been removed, including the tests. TODO: Writing tests for the new (ah!) inventory data interface.
2016-02-21 18:45 <Plugh> I'll have to pull out monodevelop, track down the code that handles listens, and run some debugging sessions to find out what's going on. 
2016-02-21 18:56 <NickS> Is there any particular reason that the opensim code base is not on github?
2016-02-21 18:58 <Plugh> I think I'll be wading through a lot of code to determine how an llSay output winds up getting to a listen. I'll  work on this more later. I'm going afk for a bit.
2016-02-21 19:14 <Guest5457> Starting build #4600 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-02-21 19:19 <Guest5457> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4600: SUCCESS in 5 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4600/
2016-02-21 19:19 <Guest5457> diva@metaverseink.com: Pushed AssemblyVersion up to VersionInfo, so that we don't need to do global replace anymore.
2016-02-21 21:04 <VelusUniverseSys> hello all how would you turn off debugging?
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2016-02-22 04:24 <NickS> I hope this is the right place to ask these questions. I am trying to wrap my mind around opensim. 1. is opensim a completely open source software and 2. why isn’t the codebase on github for ease of contribution?
2016-02-22 04:32 <diva> NickS: 1) yes 2) send patches
2016-02-22 04:36 <Melanie_T> NickS: a few years ago a decision was made to eschew code warehouses in fvour of stability and control
2016-02-22 04:37 <Melanie_T> the subsequent collapse of sourceforget and the closing of google code's file hosting capability, both signals that the era of code warehousing is comig to an end, has since borne out that decision
2016-02-22 04:38 <Melanie_T> opensim core to this day prefers to keep the core code on a systems that can't be compromised by 3rd party financial interests or go offline because of corporate decisions of relative giants like google
2016-02-22 04:39 <Melanie_T> sure, github is easy but imagine a hacker deleted all their repos... the damage to the community would be inconceivable
2016-02-22 04:39 <Melanie_T> on top of that, we prefer to review patches sent in for compatibility with the architecture of the codebase
2016-02-22 04:40 <Melanie_T> not doing so would surely have rendered the codebase unmaintainable long before now
2016-02-22 04:40 <Melanie_T> we do maintain a github mirror but we do not accept pull requests from guthub and we also don't guarantee that the mirror is up to date at any given time
2016-02-22 04:46 <NickS> I see.  Thanks.
2016-02-22 04:47 <NickS> So current development code is here? http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Developer_Documentation#Source_Code_Repository_Access
2016-02-22 04:49 <diva> yes
2016-02-22 04:50 <NickS> And the current physics engine is.....?
2016-02-22 04:51 <diva> we have 3 or 4 that can be used
2016-02-22 04:51 <diva> the most stable are ODE and Bullet
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2016-02-22 17:13 <Plugh> Velusuni: You can't turn off debugging AFAIK but you can change the logging level. I don't remember which file it is that controls the debug level.
2016-02-22 17:17 <AliciaRaven> when u compile from code, u choose either debug or release.. and console log level is in the *.config files i think
2016-02-22 17:17 <Plugh> oh, right. the .config ones. I knew it was in some file or other.
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2016-02-22 20:54 <SignpostMarv> Velus-universe: your cat is sleeping on your keyboard
2016-02-22 21:05 <AliciaRaven> maybe its velus sleeping on his keyboard
2016-02-22 21:07 <Plugh> Or some other critter in the house on the keyboard.
2016-02-22 22:55 <NeilB_> where does a hypergrid user obtain a name on a foreign grid?  e.g., when you jump from your local grid to a remote grid, your name is "user name@userserver.org"
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2016-02-23 00:14 <Melanie_T> NeilB_: the avatar name is sent to the visited grid by the home grid. The visited grid then checks back with the home grid to ensure that the infromation isn't forged
2016-02-23 00:15 <Melanie_T> it then sets the displayed name as user@grid
2016-02-23 00:42 <NeilB_> The visited grid sets the displayed name?
2016-02-23 01:00 <Melanie_T> after confirming that it's proper to do so
2016-02-23 01:00 <Melanie_T> only the grid one is connected to can talk to the viewer
2016-02-23 01:01 <Melanie_T> very much a basic flaw of the viewer protocol, methinks
2016-02-23 01:01 <Melanie_T> in a proper architecture, the viewer woul reain in communication with the login grid (identity provider)
2016-02-23 01:01 <Melanie_T> even when hypergridded
2016-02-23 01:02 <Melanie_T> which would make message and given items routing much more efficient and safer, too
2016-02-23 01:13 <NeilB_> ok, so what library function would I use to extract the hypergrid jumper's home region at the visited grid after all of that takes place?
2016-02-23 01:15 <NeilB_> not region, grid... the hg user's home grid
2016-02-23 01:16 <Melanie_T> I believe you can get that from the GridUserService
2016-02-23 01:17 <NeilB_> What about on a standalone?
2016-02-23 01:18 <Melanie_T> no i was wrong it's not in the grid user service
2016-02-23 01:18 <Melanie_T> and the service's name is GridUserService but all services exist on standlones as well
2016-02-23 01:18 <Melanie_T> what's in a name? ;)
2016-02-23 01:18 <NeilB_> Oh ok...
2016-02-23 01:19 <Melanie_T> it's actully on the IUserManagement interface
2016-02-23 01:19 <Melanie_T> GetUserHomeURL
2016-02-23 01:19 <NeilB_> Oh perfect
2016-02-23 01:20 <Melanie_T> so just grab that interface out of Scene and query away :)
2016-02-23 01:20 <NeilB_> thank you!  It won't matter whether the user is local or hypergrid or is this hg specific?
2016-02-23 01:20 <Melanie_T> on a service not configured for HG this may be empty
2016-02-23 01:21 <Melanie_T> the method call still exists but won't be returning a valid URL
2016-02-23 01:21 <NeilB_> so what about the locals?
2016-02-23 01:21 <Melanie_T> for local users, I don't know if it will return your own grid's HG URL or am empty string
2016-02-23 01:21 <Melanie_T> but that is quite easy to find out
2016-02-23 01:21 <NeilB_> is there something to use in its stead?
2016-02-23 01:22 <Melanie_T> just query it for a local and Comsole.WriteLine the result :)
2016-02-23 01:22 <Melanie_T> why would you want to use something else?
2016-02-23 01:23 <NeilB_> Well, if it doesn't work then something else would be necessary, no?  I'm thinking if(local) ...; else ...  GetUserHomeURL();
2016-02-23 01:27 <NeilB_> Well, perhaps I shouldn't get fixated on the viewer and just find the function for the local grid server url
2016-02-23 01:29 <Melanie_T> you should find out what it returns for locals
2016-02-23 01:29 <Melanie_T> by trial and error
2016-02-23 01:29 <Melanie_T> and then it'd be something along the lines of
2016-02-23 01:29 <Melanie_T> string homeUrl = m_Scene.UserManagement.GetUserHomeURL();
2016-02-23 01:30 <Melanie_T> if (homeUrl == String.Empty) { handle local; } else {handle remote; }
2016-02-23 01:30 <Melanie_T> assuming locals get an empty string returned
2016-02-23 01:32 <NeilB_> ok.  I'll tinker around and see what will come of it.  Again, thank you!  You've saved me a lot of headache already!
2016-02-23 02:07 <Melanie_T> you're welcome
2016-02-23 06:36 <NickS> Is there a list of opensim code changes since 8.2?  Trying to follow the direction of the changes.
2016-02-23 06:39 <NickS> Or do we have to download both and do a diff analysis?  
2016-02-23 06:40 <NickS> I guess I’m wondering what the trajectory is… what is the goal of the avination code merge?  Is there a roadmap that explains this to the newcomer?
2016-02-23 06:44 <NickS> This is like a treasure hunt.
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2016-02-23 15:52 <diva_> NIckS: avination's merge brought a bunch of small improvements and bug fixes that they had done over a couple of years, like vehicles crossing across regions. Someone will have to go through the logs and sniff out the list of improvements and bug fixes in about 3000 commits...
2016-02-23 15:54 <diva_> As far as I'm concerned, most of the action these days is in the development of plugins and in the development of better viewers, not in core. Core is pretty stable, and needs only bug fixes.
2016-02-23 17:18 <djphil___> Hello, how can I know profileSkillsMask and profileWantToMask from number to word ?
2016-02-23 17:19 <djphil___> I mean, how can I convert the number to word(s)
2016-02-23 17:22 <Plugh> Toggle one option at a time and see which bit changes.
2016-02-23 17:23 <djphil___> i no understant that
2016-02-23 17:23 <djphil___> i don't know "bit" system
2016-02-23 17:23 <djphil___> by chance have you a basic exemple ?
2016-02-23 17:25 <djphil___> from word (s ) to number is easy but the opposite is more difficult to do
2016-02-23 17:25 <Plugh> Change each setting one at a time and see how the value changes
2016-02-23 17:25 <djphil___> i have to do that
2016-02-23 17:26 <djphil___> i know each values
2016-02-23 17:26 <djphil___> <!-- SKILLS
2016-02-23 17:26 <djphil___> 1   = Textures
2016-02-23 17:26 <djphil___> 8   = Modèle
2016-02-23 17:26 <djphil___> 16  = Scripter
2016-02-23 17:26 <djphil___> 2   = Architecture
2016-02-23 17:26 <djphil___> 4   = Organiser des évènements
2016-02-23 17:26 <djphil___> 32  = Customiser des avatars
2016-02-23 17:26 <djphil___> 63
2016-02-23 17:26 <djphil___> -->
2016-02-23 17:26 <djphil___> sorry for french ^^
2016-02-23 17:27 <Plugh> I don't understand your original question. If you know that information you can use that to convert the values to words.
2016-02-23 17:27 <djphil___> ok i'm trying to explain better then
2016-02-23 17:28 <djphil___> if i whant to add skills in data base, i can add heach value
2016-02-23 17:29 <djphil___> but if i whant print each word from the database value, i nu understand how i can know each word ( s )
2016-02-23 17:30 <djphil___> if number is 1, word is "build"
2016-02-23 17:30 <djphil___> is number is 2, word is "explore"
2016-02-23 17:30 <djphil___> that easy
2016-02-23 17:31 <Plugh> Basic programming -> if (profileSkillsMask & 1) print "Textures";
2016-02-23 17:31 <djphil___> but if number is 57, wird is ? ... that more difficult ...
2016-02-23 17:31 <Plugh> Change the 1 to 2 for Architecture
2016-02-23 17:31 <djphil___> yes i know that
2016-02-23 17:32 <djphil___> but if number is 57, how i can know ?
2016-02-23 17:33 <djphil___> i'm trying something like this
2016-02-23 17:33 <djphil___> http://pastebin.com/qVR1K0Fy
2016-02-23 17:33 <Plugh> 57 is 00111001 in binary. That is bits 0 (0), 3 (8), 4 (16), and 5 (32) are set.
2016-02-23 17:34 <djphil___> but I would avoid writing 63 lines of code to skills
2016-02-23 17:34 <djphil___> and 255 lines for whant to mask
2016-02-23 17:34 <Plugh> Change >= to &
2016-02-23 17:34 <djphil___> i no understand the "bits" system
2016-02-23 17:34 <Plugh> Do you not know "binary" (1's and 0's)?
2016-02-23 17:35 <djphil___> ok i trying change => to "&"
2016-02-23 17:35 <djphil___> no, i d'ont know "binary"
2016-02-23 17:35 <djphil___> that my problem
2016-02-23 17:35 <Plugh> djphil___: http://l3d.cs.colorado.edu/courses/CSCI1200-96/binary.html
2016-02-23 17:36 <djphil___> arfff
2016-02-23 17:37 <djphil___> changing >= to & don't solve the problem :s
2016-02-23 17:37 <Plugh> The numbers for the different skills are all in powers of 2.
2016-02-23 17:38 <djphil___> 1 is a prower of 2 ?
2016-02-23 17:39 <Plugh> yes. It is 2 to the power of 0
2016-02-23 17:39 <AliciaRaven> http://www.yyosifov.com/2010/10/bitmasks-demystified.html
2016-02-23 17:39 <Plugh> 2^0=1, 2^1=2, 2^2=4, etc
2016-02-23 17:39 <djphil___> really to hard for me
2016-02-23 17:40 <Plugh> binary and something called bitmasks are concepts you should learn if you plan to do a lot of programming.
2016-02-23 17:41 <djphil___> have you a php exemple AliciaRaven ?
2016-02-23 17:41 <Plugh> Je vais manger.
2016-02-23 17:41 <djphil___> bon appétit :)
2016-02-23 17:41 <Plugh> merci
2016-02-23 17:41 <Plugh> bonne chance
2016-02-23 17:41 <djphil___> merci :p
2016-02-23 17:42 <AliciaRaven> no, but bitmasks are very common, try google search for php bitmask and im sure u will get alot of info
2016-02-23 17:42 <AliciaRaven> just remember values must be powers of two as plugh said, 1 being the only exception lol
2016-02-23 17:43 <djphil___> i understand nothing with that :s
2016-02-23 17:46 <djphil___> any php web interface display Masks and Skills on Web Profile page ?
2016-02-23 17:51 <AliciaRaven> djphil___, i can get u an example code in php from my site but it will have to be later, i have to go for a while
2016-02-23 17:51 <djphil___> ok cool, i can wait :)
2016-02-23 17:52 <djphil___> for now i continue to search response on google
2016-02-23 17:52 <djphil___> but don't found :s
2016-02-23 18:13 <djphil___> hmmm maybee i found :)
2016-02-23 18:20 <Plugh> djphil___: http://pastebin.com/EK2Z3CmX
2016-02-23 18:22 <djphil___> it seam to work, i will try, ty Plugh
2016-02-23 18:23 <Plugh> You were had "$skillmask + 32;". That did not change the value of $skillmask. You needed to use "+=".
2016-02-23 18:23 <Plugh> + is add (ajoutez). += is add and assigns the new value to the variable.
2016-02-23 18:24 <Plugh> "$skillmask += 32;"  is a different way to say "$skillmask = $skillmask + 32;"
2016-02-23 18:27 <Plugh> djphil___: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syst%C3%A8me_binaire
2016-02-23 18:27 <Plugh> djphil___: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masquage
2016-02-23 18:27 <Plugh> Those may help you more as they are in French.
2016-02-23 18:30 <djphil___> the code you send above don't work
2016-02-23 18:30 <djphil___> it dont return correct mask string list
2016-02-23 18:32 <Plugh> What value did you try? What did you expect to get?
2016-02-23 18:32 <djphil___> 25
2016-02-23 18:34 <Plugh> Text is scripting modeling textures 
2016-02-23 18:34 <Plugh> Skillmask is 25
2016-02-23 18:34 <Plugh> Ca marche
2016-02-23 18:35 <djphil___> in my profile i have "scripting" and "architecture"
2016-02-23 18:35 <djphil___> not "modeling"
2016-02-23 18:35 <djphil___> lets me try again
2016-02-23 18:36 <Plugh> Scripting and Architecture -> 24
2016-02-23 18:37 <Plugh> oops
2016-02-23 18:38 <Plugh> Scripting and Architecture -> 18
2016-02-23 18:40 <djphil___> I need to familiarize myself with it
2016-02-23 18:43 <Plugh> Some day I'll look up the codes to do French accented characters in IRC.
2016-02-23 18:47 <djphil___> heh, opensim (and viwers) have a lot of probelm due to specialfrench  charts loke é à è ... (notcard, profile, etc ...)
2016-02-23 18:48 <Plugh> 
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2016-02-23 18:48 <djphil___> in 2016 how thaht possible yet !!! lol
2016-02-23 18:48 <Plugh> French characters in notecards work in new versions of OpenSim
2016-02-23 18:49 <djphil___> ha finelly wow cool :)
2016-02-23 18:49 <djphil___> no trying
2016-02-23 18:49 <djphil___> back o, 10'
2016-02-23 18:49 <Plugh> j'ai oubliee quelle versionne
2016-02-23 19:02 <djphil___> i'm back
2016-02-23 19:03 <paulieflomar> Wouldn't it be cool if... we could login to hypergrid regions from the viewer start screen (grid list). Viewer could contact contact our home grid to grab our authoriztion, then perform a hypergrid login directly to any hypergid grid, without having to login to our home grid first then making the jump.
2016-02-23 19:03 <paulieflomar> As far sa I can see, this isnt possible right now.
2016-02-23 19:04 <paulieflomar> The viewer just goes "you dont have an account on this hypergrid region. sorry." and soesnt even try.
2016-02-23 19:05 <paulieflomar> Maybe one day. :)
2016-02-23 19:13 <djphil___> you need a HG URI + destination list to do that
2016-02-23 19:13 <djphil___> you can't grab this list automaticlly from heach simulators
2016-02-23 19:16 <djphil___> i found this one too plug : http://pastebin.com/L54eHSLx
2016-02-23 19:17 <djphil___> both seam working fine now, ty
2016-02-23 19:17 <djphil___> i can continue to write web profile :)
2016-02-23 19:20 <paulieflomar> Alchemy viewer, for example, lets me add a grid (clutterfly) to my grid list. The HG login URI for clutterfly seems to be the same as the direct login URI. So, theoretically, if the ALchemy viewer knew the URi of my home grid, and the viewer knew the HG URi of the  grid I wanted to  login too, the viewer should be able to contact my home grid, confirm my username / pw on home grid, then 
2016-02-23 19:20 <paulieflomar> log me into a HG URI as a hypergrid visitor from my home grid. In a perfect world.
2016-02-23 19:22 <djphil___> a perect world ... that exist ?
2016-02-23 19:22 <paulieflomar> Nah, I know it doesnt. Im just dreamin. :)
2016-02-23 19:22 <djphil___> peace dream :)
2016-02-23 19:22 <paulieflomar> IT's just a "wouldnt it be cool if.." scenario.
2016-02-23 19:23 <djphil___> "just need to do ..."
2016-02-23 19:23 <paulieflomar> Before you do it, ya gotta dream it, eh.
2016-02-23 19:24 <djphil___> propably dream for a long time
2016-02-23 19:24 <paulieflomar> Oh, this is OpenSim. We're used to the long game. :)
2016-02-23 19:29 <djphil___> maybee more fast if you write it yourself
2016-02-23 22:53 <djphil___> Where i can get classifieds flags definition ?
2016-02-23 22:54 <djphil___> i found the classifieds category definition but i can't get classifieds flags definition
2016-02-23 22:54 <djphil___> and google say me "you do too many request" (lol)
2016-02-23 22:55 <djphil___> isn't a joke, google really say me i do to many request and invite me to complete a captcha !!! (first time i have that)
2016-02-23 23:27 <Plugh> djphil___: look in the webroot/query.php file of the OpenSimSearch module.
2016-02-23 23:27 <djphil___> ok,ty!
2016-02-23 23:27 <Plugh> I documented some of that information in the file.
2016-02-23 23:27 <djphil___> i do a opensim helpful page :)
2016-02-23 23:28 <djphil___> ha cool
2016-02-23 23:28 <Plugh> Line 434
2016-02-23 23:30 <djphil___> not sure i read the same query.php lol
2016-02-23 23:30 <djphil___> if ($flags & 6) //PG (1 << 2)
2016-02-23 23:30 <djphil___>         $terms[] = "classifiedflags & 2 = 0";
2016-02-23 23:30 <djphil___>     if ($flags & 8) //Mature (1 << 3)
2016-02-23 23:30 <djphil___>         $terms[] = "classifiedflags & 2 <> 0";
2016-02-23 23:30 <djphil___> not sure ... inword when i test this part i get :
2016-02-23 23:30 <djphil___> <!-- CLASSIFIEDS FLAGS (classifiedsflags)
2016-02-23 23:31 <djphil___> 4 = PG content
2016-02-23 23:31 <djphil___> 8 = Mature content
2016-02-23 23:31 <djphil___> 32 = Publish each week
2016-02-23 23:31 <djphil___> -->
2016-02-23 23:31 <djphil___> it seam is different ...
2016-02-23 23:31 <djphil___> and for category i found that :
2016-02-23 23:31 <djphil___> <!-- CLASSIFIEDS CATEGORY (category)
2016-02-23 23:31 <djphil___> 1 = Shopping
2016-02-23 23:31 <djphil___> 2 = Land Rental
2016-02-23 23:31 <djphil___> 3 = Property Rental
2016-02-23 23:31 <djphil___> 4 = Special Attraction
2016-02-23 23:31 <djphil___> 5 = New Products
2016-02-23 23:31 <djphil___> 6 = Employment
2016-02-23 23:31 <djphil___> 7 = Wanted
2016-02-23 23:31 <djphil___> 8 = Service
2016-02-23 23:31 <djphil___> 9 = Personal
2016-02-23 23:31 <djphil___> -->
2016-02-23 23:32 <djphil___> probably category is right
2016-02-23 23:32 <djphil___> but not sure for other flags ...
2016-02-23 23:32 <djphil___> flags/masks
2016-02-23 23:33 <Plugh> 1 << 2 is 4
2016-02-23 23:33 <djphil___> haaaaa ! :p
2016-02-23 23:33 <Plugh> That first line should be -> if ($flags &4)
2016-02-23 23:33 <djphil___> kk
2016-02-23 23:33 <Plugh> dinner time. bbl.
2016-02-23 23:34 <djphil___> yep!
2016-02-23 23:35 <djphil___> Line 425, i see "if ($flags & 6)"
2016-02-23 23:36 <djphil___> strange ...
2016-02-23 23:37 <djphil___> and  "if ($flags & 8 ) // Mature (1 << 3)"
2016-02-23 23:37 <djphil___> 2 line below
2016-02-24 00:00 <Plugh> 6? Not if you are looking at the query.php file I've worked on.
2016-02-24 00:02 <Plugh> djphil___: Where did you get OpenSimSearch module?
2016-02-24 00:02 <djphil___> https://github.com/OS-Development/OpenSim.Search
2016-02-24 00:03 <Plugh> http://forge.opensimulator.org/git/kcozens/OpenSimSearch.git
2016-02-24 00:03 <djphil___> hehe :p
2016-02-24 00:04 <Plugh> I don't know about a version in github
2016-02-24 00:05 <Plugh> Oh. That is FlyMan's version of the module
2016-02-24 00:05 <djphil___> yep
2016-02-24 00:05 <djphil___> 4 years ago
2016-02-24 00:05 <Plugh> I don't work on that version. I don't know what shape it is in.
2016-02-24 00:05 <Plugh> I've always used the version in forge.
2016-02-24 00:05 <djphil___> i use kcozens now :)
2016-02-24 00:05 <Plugh> 
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2016-02-24 00:06 <djphil___> i don't see CLASSIFIEDS CATEGORY  ...
2016-02-24 00:06 <djphil___> but i have
2016-02-24 00:06 <Plugh> I last updated that code a month ago
2016-02-24 00:06 <djphil___> yep i see :)
2016-02-24 00:07 <Plugh> The categories are listed in webroot/query.php
2016-02-24 00:08 <djphil___> i see line 510
2016-02-24 00:08 <djphil___> but isn't the sames category
2016-02-24 00:08 <Plugh> oui
2016-02-24 00:08 <djphil___> i mean about these:
2016-02-24 00:08 <djphil___> <!-- CLASSIFIEDS CATEGORY (category)
2016-02-24 00:08 <djphil___> 1 = Shopping
2016-02-24 00:08 <djphil___> 2 = Land Rental
2016-02-24 00:08 <djphil___> 3 = Property Rental
2016-02-24 00:08 <djphil___> 4 = Special Attraction
2016-02-24 00:09 <djphil___> 5 = New Products
2016-02-24 00:09 <djphil___> 6 = Employment
2016-02-24 00:09 <djphil___> 7 = Wanted
2016-02-24 00:09 <djphil___> 8 = Service
2016-02-24 00:09 <djphil___> 9 = Personal
2016-02-24 00:09 <djphil___> -->
2016-02-24 00:09 <djphil___> isn't same ...
2016-02-24 00:10 <Plugh> I use the numbers for categories that match what the viewer sends.
2016-02-24 00:11 <djphil___> with singularity, go to profile/classifields (above you have category select fields)
2016-02-24 00:11 <djphil___> no tested yet with FS ...
2016-02-24 00:11 <djphil___> but category name must be the same with all viewers !!!
2016-02-24 00:12 <Plugh> The PHP code isn't told the name. It gets a number.
2016-02-24 00:13 <djphil___> line 111 = "if ($row['category'] == 18 )    $category = "Discussion";"
2016-02-24 00:13 <djphil___> "Discussion" isn't a classiifields category ...
2016-02-24 00:13 <Plugh> d'oh. I think I got rid of the source code I had for Singularity
2016-02-24 00:14 <djphil___> i will test with FS just now
2016-02-24 00:15 <djphil___> but category must be same for all voewers
2016-02-24 00:16 <djphil___> else what you do if you create a classifield in a category with FS and you reconnect with Singu ... your classifield is missing ...
2016-02-24 00:16 <djphil___> and i have right
2016-02-24 00:16 <djphil___> with firestorm, category list is the same
2016-02-24 00:17 <djphil___> lets me show you a screenshot
2016-02-24 00:17 <Plugh> The viewers must have changed the numbers associated with the different categories.
2016-02-24 00:17 <djphil___> not just the number
2016-02-24 00:18 <djphil___> the name is different too
2016-02-24 00:18 <djphil___> the category list in query.php is another list ...
2016-02-24 00:19 <Plugh> The names and numbers are what SL used to use. I don't look at viewer source so if they changed things for OS I may need to update the search and profile modules.
2016-02-24 00:19 <djphil___> screenshot : http://hpics.li/9169eea
2016-02-24 00:22 <djphil___> yep, search module probably need a little update ...
2016-02-24 00:23 <AliciaRaven> Discussion is an event category, different enumeration
2016-02-24 00:23 <djphil___> name and enum !=
2016-02-24 00:26 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: yes, you are correct. My mind isn't on code these days. I'm still dealing with the recent loss of the beloved family cat.
2016-02-24 00:27 <AliciaRaven> sorry to hear about your cat Plugh
2016-02-24 00:28 <djphil___> this function classifieds_info_query($method_name, $params, $app_data) is wrong
2016-02-24 00:28 <Plugh> ty. He died this past Thursday morning.  Its still very hard.
2016-02-24 00:28 <djphil___> 
ACTION sorry for your cat too

2016-02-24 00:30 <Plugh> ty
2016-02-24 00:30 <djphil___> events category != calssifields category
2016-02-24 00:31 <Plugh> Today is the day I put out the garbage for tomorrows pick up. I put out the last two items of his that we couldn't donate to someone else. I kind of lost it when I came in to the house after putting those items by the curb.
2016-02-24 00:31 <AliciaRaven> well if the enum is as you say and numbered 1 2 3 4 etc then it can not be stored as a bitmask, its just a list
2016-02-24 00:31 <Plugh> djphil___: They aren't supposed to be the same.
2016-02-24 00:32 <djphil___> yes, just a list Plugh
2016-02-24 00:32 <Plugh> The OpenSimProfile module just uses whatever values are passed from the viewer. It has no list of categories when you are creating listings.
2016-02-24 00:32 <djphil___> the list in query.php is the event list
2016-02-24 00:32 <Plugh> The same thing on the search side.
2016-02-24 00:32 <djphil___> classifields list is missing
2016-02-24 00:32 <Plugh> The list of categories used for events has nothing to do with classifieds.
2016-02-24 00:33 <djphil___> and must be a diffenet list to reflet the viewer list
2016-02-24 00:33 <Plugh> AliciaRaven reminded me about that.
2016-02-24 00:34 <djphil___> Right Plugh, the event category list is diffrent the classfield category list
2016-02-24 00:34 <Plugh> There is no list of classified categories in the search or profile module PHP files.
2016-02-24 00:34 <djphil___> but in query.php, in function dir_classified_query
2016-02-24 00:35 <djphil___> the category list is missing
2016-02-24 00:35 <djphil___> just that ...
2016-02-24 00:35 <Plugh> The viewer will pass a number for the selected category
2016-02-24 00:35 <djphil___> yep
2016-02-24 00:36 <djphil___> and query return a number too
2016-02-24 00:36 <djphil___> $terms[] = "category = " . $category;
2016-02-24 00:37 <djphil___> ha no, $data isn't returned
2016-02-24 00:37 <Plugh> For classified ads I neither know nor care what the categories are or the numbers associated with the categories.
2016-02-24 00:37 <djphil___> i mean category isn't inside terms[]
2016-02-24 00:38 <djphil___> of crourse ...
2016-02-24 00:38 <djphil___> because "classifieds.php" is empty hahaha
2016-02-24 00:39 <djphil___> but i made a classfields web page :)
2016-02-24 00:39 <Plugh> ok\
2016-02-24 00:39 <djphil___> you understand now why i need a valid category list
2016-02-24 00:39 <Plugh> I only had to make classifieds work with a viewer.
2016-02-24 00:39 <djphil___> ok, i understand too now :)
2016-02-24 00:39 <Plugh> djphil___: Go get the source code for a viewer and look through it.
2016-02-24 00:40 <djphil___> good idea
2016-02-24 00:40 <djphil___> never do that
2016-02-24 00:40 <djphil___> i don't know
2016-02-24 00:40 <djphil___> but i thing my list is correct
2016-02-24 00:40 <djphil___> i do it step by step with viewer
2016-02-24 00:41 <djphil___> (i mean category by category)
2016-02-24 00:41 <Plugh> The source code for a viewer is a strange sort of beast. It is written in C++ which is a language I try and avoid. I have trouble finding things in the viewer code. I prefer to stay away from it.
2016-02-24 00:41 <AliciaRaven> Plugh was there a meeting today?
2016-02-24 00:41 <djphil___> hehe :)
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2016-02-24 00:44 <AliciaRaven> ah yes i found the log
2016-02-24 00:45 <Plugh> djphil___: For Singularity the categories for classifieds are found in indra/newview/skins/default/xui/en-us/floater_directory.xml, or you may prefer to look at indra/newview/skins/default/xui/fr/floater_directory.xml
2016-02-24 00:45 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: yes, there was. I gave the notes to Sheera who was going to post them.
2016-02-24 00:47 <djphil___> Yes !!!
2016-02-24 00:48 <djphil___> that the right file, ty !!!
2016-02-24 00:48 <djphil___> the search category is there too, cool !
2016-02-24 00:48 <Plugh> yw
2016-02-24 00:48 <Plugh> find with grep is a wonderful thing. :)
2016-02-24 00:49 <djphil___> i'm on windows
2016-02-24 00:50 <djphil___> First commit :p https://github.com/djphil/oshelpful/blob/master/HELPFUL.md
2016-02-24 00:51 <djphil___> arff many many catgory's
2016-02-24 00:51 <Plugh> djphil___: did you see the spelling corrections for your osguide project?
2016-02-24 00:51 <djphil___> i have a lot of work now!
2016-02-24 00:51 <Plugh> Only 9 categories for classifieds plus the AnyCategory option
2016-02-24 00:52 <djphil___> no Plugh i have no see spelling corrections
2016-02-24 00:52 <Plugh> Educationnal -> Educational
2016-02-24 00:52 <Plugh> Clic -> Click
2016-02-24 00:53 <djphil___> I should have seen it ?
2016-02-24 00:53 <djphil___> you made a issue ?
2016-02-24 00:54 <Plugh> I just posted it to you here. It may have scrolled off your screen as you may have been away at the time.
2016-02-24 00:54 <djphil___> or just write in IRC now
2016-02-24 00:54 <Plugh> I forgot about the bug tracker for your guide.
2016-02-24 00:54 <djphil___> ha oki
2016-02-24 00:55 <djphil___> ok, i will fix taht now
2016-02-24 00:55 <djphil___> i found a bug with avatar picker too
2016-02-24 00:55 <djphil___> and no solution at this time
2016-02-24 00:55 <Plugh> The guide looks good when opened in a web page. When opened in a viewer such as Firestorm, it provides limited space. Only one line of icons for destinations.
2016-02-24 00:58 <djphil___> hmmm where is "Clic" lol
2016-02-24 00:58 <djphil___> ha i found !
2016-02-24 00:59 <djphil___> 2 Clic in help :)
2016-02-24 01:00 <djphil___> i will look ater for the viewer when the guide is open sinside
2016-02-24 01:00 <djphil___> later*
2016-02-24 01:01 <djphil___> but about viewer you have a different url
2016-02-24 01:01 <djphil___> why you open the guide isnside the viewer ?
2016-02-24 01:03 <djphil___> this one is for the viewer Plugh : http://digigrids.no-ip.org/osguide/inc/destinations.php
2016-02-24 01:03 <Plugh> ah, yes. that's it. ty
2016-02-24 01:03 <djphil___> yw
2016-02-24 01:04 <Plugh> I've got it set up for testing but I haven't done much with it in the last month since my cat's been ill.
2016-02-24 01:04 <djphil___> ok
2016-02-24 01:06 <Plugh> hm... I don't think I've put that file on the webserver.
2016-02-24 01:08 <Plugh> bah. I can't remember the URL I set up.
2016-02-24 01:08 <djphil___> that file is on github
2016-02-24 01:10 <Plugh> It was there. I just had to update the URL in Robust.ini
2016-02-24 01:10 <djphil___> yep
2016-02-24 01:11 <djphil___> https://github.com/djphil/osguide/commit/5f98df70cbcc6d2604b69c8330cf97a4d9e42275
2016-02-24 01:13 <Plugh> Great. That looks much better in Firestorm now.
2016-02-24 01:13 <djphil___> sure
2016-02-24 01:14 <djphil___> and is exactly the same color like SL viewer
2016-02-24 01:14 <Plugh> Depends on the theme you have. I used to use Silver for SL viewer. :)
2016-02-24 01:14 <djphil___> arfff ^^
2016-02-24 01:14 <Plugh> hehe
2016-02-24 01:15 <djphil___> maybee i can add template selector somewhere ...
2016-02-24 01:15 <Plugh> don't worry about it. As long as it can be changed via a .css file.
2016-02-24 01:15 <djphil___> right
2016-02-24 01:16 <djphil___> for now i just made "basics"
2016-02-24 01:16 <Plugh> Those dark colours are used by several viewers so it is fine. The web  page is the one that needs to have its look changed to match the other pages on the site.
2016-02-24 01:16 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-02-24 01:17 <Plugh> I haven't used the LSL files yet. That was the next thing I will do but not right now.
2016-02-24 01:18 <djphil___> the osradmin have already template selector and language selector
2016-02-24 01:18 <djphil___> but isn't on github now
2016-02-24 01:18 <djphil___> it need more love and a lot of coffee
2016-02-24 01:18 <Plugh> ok
2016-02-24 01:19 <djphil___> i have a bug with one radmin command
2016-02-24 01:19 <djphil___> admin_create_user
2016-02-24 01:19 <djphil___> reportend on mantis
2016-02-24 01:21 <djphil___> look that http://hpics.li/c07f7ff, the url isn't public yet
2016-02-24 01:21 <djphil___> all green "V" commands work fine!
2016-02-24 01:22 <djphil___> but the red "X" pffff !!!
2016-02-24 01:23 <Plugh> Looks interesting.
2016-02-24 01:23 <djphil___> with some css effects
2016-02-24 01:24 <djphil___> soon you can have and try :)
2016-02-24 01:24 <djphil___> i found a little bug with heightmap raw file
2016-02-24 01:25 <djphil___> if you have saved one yet, you can't save a new one hover
2016-02-24 01:25 <djphil___> you can with all extensions excepted .raw
2016-02-24 01:25 <djphil___> it return a red alert in console
2016-02-24 01:25 <djphil___> that not pretty :)
2016-02-24 01:26 <djphil___> I like red, but not here
2016-02-24 01:30 <Plugh> sounds like something that should be looked at. File format for terrain should not matter.
2016-02-24 01:31 <Plugh> Asynchronous SRAM compatible speeds and cycle times. Also very nice.
2016-02-24 01:32 <djphil___> now backup to .raw format causes red alert because it can not overwrite an existing file .raw
2016-02-24 01:33 <djphil___> all others work fine
2016-02-24 01:51 <djphil___> here need a update too : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Database:Users
2016-02-24 01:51 <djphil___> profileCanDoMask and profileWantDoMask don't exist
2016-02-24 01:51 <djphil___> must be profileSkillsMask and profileWantToMask
2016-02-24 02:19 <Plugh> May not be too surprising. The wiki is a bit out of date in places.
2016-02-24 02:33 <Plugh> djphil___: I think you are looking at information for an old database table.
2016-02-24 02:33 <djphil___> from a os v 0.8.2
2016-02-24 02:34 <Plugh> What page were you on that lead you to that page?
2016-02-24 02:35 <djphil___> what ?
2016-02-24 02:35 <Plugh> The page http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Database_Documentation has the 'users' table in a section mostly for 0.6.9
2016-02-24 02:37 <djphil___> ha yes
2016-02-24 02:38 <Plugh> You want to look at information on the UserProfiles table (for someone using core groups)
2016-02-24 02:38 <Plugh> um...
2016-02-24 02:39 <Plugh> for someone using the core profile module
2016-02-24 02:40 <djphil___> group v2 you mean ?
2016-02-24 02:40 <djphil___> ha profil's !
2016-02-24 02:41 <Plugh> That main DB page needs updating. It doesn't cover core profile or core groups AFAICT
2016-02-24 02:41 <djphil___> i see only "Pro" Phil
2016-02-24 02:41 <djphil___> or not
2016-02-24 02:43 <Plugh> If you need more help or want to talk more about things perhaps you can try me tomorrow. I'm not having a good evening and I need to finish an email to a friend of mine who is worrying a bit about my reference to having a very bad day and bad week.
2016-02-24 02:45 <djphil___> ok, np
2016-02-24 02:45 <djphil___> i have a lot to do with all these now infos
2016-02-24 02:46 <Plugh> ok, ttyl
2016-02-24 02:46 <djphil___> ty u2
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2016-02-24 19:37 <Plugh> djphil___: ping
2016-02-24 20:56 <djphil___> pong Plugh
2016-02-24 21:21 <Plugh> djphil: I filed an issue about your osguide project.
2016-02-24 21:21 <djphil> yes ?
2016-02-24 22:11 <SignpostMarv> soooo I was thinking of doing some silly things with prebuild
2016-02-24 22:11 <SignpostMarv> I don't like nuget & git submodules feel icky.
2016-02-24 22:13 <SignpostMarv> would it be too much of a webbie thing to add stuff to prebuild to say "here is a git repo, go put it here"
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2016-02-24 23:23 <Plugh> dinner time. bbl.
2016-02-24 23:24 <Plugh> And just before I go...
2016-02-24 23:24 <Plugh> SignpostMarv, I'm not sure what you are trying to do so I can't comment.
2016-02-24 23:34 <djphil> Plugh : i read about PDO, it have escape include in "prepare" request (like my sql escape string)
2016-02-25 00:27 <Plugh> grr... Every now and then I get reminded why i really don't like git.
2016-02-25 00:27 <Plugh> Tdoay is one of those times.
2016-02-25 00:27 <Plugh> S/Tdoay/Today/
2016-02-25 02:45 <Melanie_> and that is why?
2016-02-25 03:05 <Plugh> Melanie_: hit a merge conflict yet again. They are such a pain.
2016-02-25 03:06 <Plugh> Can't just save the modified file and recheck out the original from the repo as I'm in the middle of a merge. Can't abort the merge. Can't do a non-hard reset because I'm in the middle of a merge.
2016-02-25 03:07 <Plugh> I'm going to leave it for tonight. I'm going to do something non-computer related for the rest of the night.
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2016-02-26 10:01 <osmantis> Bug #7717:04 [RestConsole] It does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7717 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-02-26 10:03 <osmantis> Bug #7832:04 [pCampbot] Under Windows 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7832 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-02-26 16:41 <Plugh> I'm trying to check if I have a region properly configured and enabled for HG travel. How do I build a URL to test if I can TP from one HG world to the region where I think I have enabled HG support?
2016-02-26 16:51 <AliciaRaven> Plugh, different viewers handle links in different ways, there needs to be better standardization but this link should give u some ideas and also point out which ones work with which viewers
2016-02-26 16:51 <AliciaRaven> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6656
2016-02-26 17:17 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: ok, ty. I don't usually deal with HG stuff. I should probably pay more attention to HG things now that I'm a core member.
2016-02-26 17:52 <osmantis> Bug #7717:04 [RestConsole] It does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7717 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-02-26 21:50 <Plugh> I found I didn't have Robust configured with HG support. D'oh! I can find the HG enabled region now. I just have to research why Robust reports "Unable to verify identity of agent" when I try to TP in to the grid from another grid.
2016-02-26 21:52 <JeffKelley> Plugh: did you solve your llSay issue ?
2016-02-26 21:53 <Plugh> No, I haven't. I have the same problem in 080PF and 082PF.
2016-02-26 21:53 <Plugh> I haven't tried it with master but I didn't want to switch to master in case there DB migrations.
2016-02-26 21:54 <Plugh> I have downloaded a tarball of 0.8.2.1 so I can do a test using it.
2016-02-26 21:55 <Plugh> I'm still dealing with other things related to the recent loss of my cat so I haven't gotten around to doing any further tests. I'll get to it again soon.
2016-02-26 22:00 <Plugh> JeffKelley: I'd like to get the issue resolved before I completely redo all the tracks of a train system. I've cleaned up the scripts used in the track segments so I want to replace all the track segments with ones containing the updated scripts.
2016-02-26 22:00 <Plugh> oh, I was going to go check for mail and have a walk. bbl.
2016-02-26 23:12 <Plugh> I fixed the HG TP issue I was having. 
2016-02-26 23:21 <JeffKelley> i have "Unable to verify identity" often when moving simulators port or ip ; zapping the hyperlinks fixes it
2016-02-26 23:36 <Plugh> Jeff, It was a configuration problem in my case.
2016-02-26 23:37 <Plugh> I didn't have the right BaseURL in an ini file..
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2016-02-27 00:42 <osmantis> Bug #7820:04 osNpcSit does not work well in actual 0.9.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7820 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-02-27 17:49 <osmantis> Bug #7820:04 osNpcSit does not work well in actual 0.9.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7820 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-03 16:10 <osmantis> Bug #7833:04 llEmail implementation can cause script engine exception 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7833 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-03-03 16:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #4601 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-03-03 16:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4601: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4601/
2016-03-03 16:23 <osjenkins> melanie: Mantis 7833: Fix a condition where email sent from an object that is in
2016-03-03 16:38 <Plugh> llEmail needs to be redone to use the more recent .NET mail methods so it can support connections to secure mail servers.
2016-03-03 23:00 <djphil__> Hello, this method exist in OpenSim ?
2016-03-03 23:00 <djphil__> index.php?method=GridTexture&uuid=
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2016-03-03 23:56 <Plugh> djphil__: There are script functions you can use to retrieve the texture for a region. You don't need to get it via a web page
2016-03-03 23:56 <djphil__> yep with webassets conversion / Imagick
2016-03-03 23:57 <djphil__> i ask because we have this methiod to get region texture
2016-03-03 23:57 <djphil__> index.php?method=regionImage
2016-03-03 23:58 <djphil__> then i hope we can have 01soon index.php?method=GridTexture01 too :)
2016-03-03 23:58 <djphil__> How you Plugh ? Better ?
2016-03-04 00:03 <Plugh> djphil__: getting there.
2016-03-04 00:04 <Plugh> djphil__: If are writing something just for yourself you could get the map texture directly from the database.
2016-03-04 00:05 <djphil__> what ?
2016-03-04 00:06 <djphil__> I make suggestion
2016-03-04 00:08 <Plugh> sure
2016-03-04 00:09 <djphil__> as for the image database you must convert datas ... for that you must install imagick, this is not always simple (under Windows) ...
2016-03-04 00:09 <djphil__> for cards regions there are already simple system (? method = regionImage)
2016-03-04 00:09 <djphil__> so I find it interesting to have something simple for other textures as (? method = GridTexture) ... which would not require additional installation (imagick)
2016-03-04 00:10 <djphil__> if nobody says anything ...
2016-03-04 00:11 <djphil__> but it is not "just for me"
2016-03-04 00:13 <djphil__> Plugh, for info i made good progress with os  web modules interfaces ... Like profile, search, groups and many others ...
2016-03-04 00:14 <djphil__> do you know a Simple CUrrency Module Like Aurora-Sim have ?
2016-03-04 00:15 <djphil__> Just to make the inworld viewer counter workink (with monopoli money (fake money, NO paypal))
2016-03-04 00:15 <djphil__> Is just money to play with viewer counter and use lsl money functions
2016-03-04 00:16 <djphil__> if you know the simple currency module from aurora ...
2016-03-04 00:16 <djphil__> https://github.com/aurora-sim/Aurora-Sim/tree/master/Aurora/Modules/Avatar/Currency
2016-03-04 00:16 <djphil__> That really cool and fun module to play with fake money !!!
2016-03-04 00:17 <djphil__> maybee you can help me with that ...
2016-03-04 00:17 <djphil__> lets me PM you the las os module url
2016-03-04 00:17 <djphil__> last*
2016-03-04 00:19 <djphil__> a little "oscurrency" be cool :)
2016-03-04 00:20 <djphil__> but you're probably busy with other things
2016-03-04 01:05 <Plugh> djphil__: The only money system I know about other than one that uses PayPal is the DTL/NSL currency system.
2016-03-04 01:06 <djphil__> DTL is a very complete system
2016-03-04 01:06 <djphil__> i know it too
2016-03-04 01:07 <Plugh> I'm just feeling a little tired. Just had dinner a little while ago.
2016-03-04 01:07 <djphil__> kk
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2016-03-04 14:22 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-04 14:36 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-04 14:46 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-04 15:24 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-04 15:34 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-04 22:21 <Melanie_T> http://forge.opensimulator.org/melanie/OpenCurrency is updated for 0.9 opensim
2016-03-04 22:58 <oqieroqe> hey murilo!
2016-03-04 23:01 <murilofrade> Hello. I downloaded and configured the new version of opensim but I can't  run the Robust.exe. I'm getting some errors.
2016-03-04 23:01 <murilofrade> this is the exception
2016-03-04 23:01 <murilofrade> C:\opensim-v0.8.2.1\opensim-0.8.2.1\bin>robust.exe  Unhandled Exception: System.TypeInitializationException: The type initializer fo r 'OpenSim.Framework.Console.LocalConsole' threw an exception. ---> System.Argum entException: Value does not fall within the expected range.    at System.Runtime.CompilerServices.RuntimeHelpers.InitializeArray(Array array , RuntimeFieldHandle fldHandle)    at OpenSim.Framework.Console.LocalCo
2016-03-04 23:02 <Melanie_T> you may not have a window sized as expected
2016-03-04 23:02 <Melanie_T> make your terminal window 80x24
2016-03-04 23:02 <Melanie_T> also, Robust doesn't handle resizing the terminal windows gracefully
2016-03-04 23:02 <Melanie_T> you should not resize the terminal window / dos box while it's running
2016-03-04 23:04 <murilofrade> I'm checking this right now. Thanks
2016-03-04 23:07 <Plugh> Why would Robust care about the screen size?
2016-03-04 23:07 <Melanie_T> the command line editor needs to know in order to reprint the command line properly, account for long lines causing scroll, etc
2016-03-04 23:08 <Melanie_T> there is a simple console without command help and completion
2016-03-04 23:08 <Plugh> Is there no callback mechanism available where Robust could be notified of changes in screen size?
2016-03-04 23:08 <Melanie_T> for those who can't for some reason use the default local console
2016-03-04 23:09 <Melanie_T> there is a mechanism available but it works only in some versions of mono
2016-03-04 23:09 <Plugh> oh.
2016-03-04 23:09 <Melanie_T> it doesn't work in .net at all
2016-03-04 23:09 <Melanie_T> or, rather
2016-03-04 23:09 <Melanie_T> it works only for window height but not width in .net
2016-03-04 23:09 <Melanie_T> the reason is simple: dos box widths can't be changed
2016-03-04 23:10 <Melanie_T> so i suppose they never bothered implementing the notification for width change
2016-03-04 23:11 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-03-04 23:13 <murilofrade> I'm still getting the same exceptions even changing the window size to 80x24
2016-03-04 23:14 <murilofrade>  I have opensim 0.8 running ok on my machine. I dont know why this version does not work
2016-03-04 23:19 <Melanie_T> what OS are you on?
2016-03-04 23:20 <murilofrade> Its Windows Server 2008 R2 64bits
2016-03-04 23:20 <Melanie_T> i'm sorry i can't test that platform
2016-03-04 23:21 <murilofrade> Oh, ok. Thank you
2016-03-04 23:24 <djphil__> Hello! It is possible to detect NPC precense from OpenSim database ?
2016-03-04 23:24 <Melanie_T> you should switch to the simple console
2016-03-04 23:24 <Melanie_T> djphil__: no. NPc are never saved anywhere
2016-03-04 23:24 <djphil__> tank you Mel!
2016-03-04 23:29 <diva_> I run into that console problem when running on cygwin 64
2016-03-04 23:33 <murilofrade> dita_, what did you do to fix it?
2016-03-04 23:37 <Melanie_T> i think you need to start with --console=simple
2016-03-05 00:02 <diva> murilofrade I run it on cygwin32 console
2016-03-05 00:12 <murilofrade> Robust ran now. It seems that the dependence of the .NET Framework changed because I installed the version 4.5 and it worked. Before I was using 4.0 version, how it is suggested on the opensimulator website. Thank so much for the help, guys.
2016-03-05 00:16 <Melanie_T> opensim is still based on 4.0 for mono 2.x
2016-03-05 00:17 <Melanie_T> but works perfectly fine on 4.5 and also on mono 4.3.2
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2016-03-05 00:22 <diva> is that the fixes from osgrid Melanie_T?
2016-03-05 00:22 <Melanie_T> yes
2016-03-05 00:25 <diva> cool
2016-03-05 00:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #4602 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-03-05 00:27 <Melanie_T> doing a bit of opensim housekeeping
2016-03-05 00:29 <diva> I need to code something too! My brain is exploding after a week of so many meetings.
2016-03-05 00:29 <diva> the older I get the less energy I have for meetings and interacting with physical people
2016-03-05 00:30 <Melanie_T> old! you! pah!
2016-03-05 00:30 <Melanie_T> ;)
2016-03-05 00:31 <diva> very :) although I've been postponing my birthday this year until I'm ready to accept it
2016-03-05 00:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4602: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4602/
2016-03-05 00:32 <osjenkins> melanie: Port the safer database access and the cure for "Chicken Bones" which
2016-03-05 00:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #4603 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-03-05 00:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4603: SUCCESS in 5 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4603/
2016-03-05 00:37 <osjenkins> melanie: Introduce UseOsgridFormat config to select the OSGrid specific path name
2016-03-05 01:52 <djphil__> Melanie_T : and it is possible to know a hypergrider username (first name, lastname) from OpenSim database ?
2016-03-05 01:52 <Melanie_T> HG users get entries in GridUser
2016-03-05 01:52 <Melanie_T> i believe. it used to be like that anyway
2016-03-05 01:53 <Melanie_T> i don't know if there is autoclaning
2016-03-05 01:53 <Melanie_T> cleaning*
2016-03-05 01:53 <Melanie_T> while the user is online they will be in the presence database
2016-03-05 01:53 <Melanie_T> i don't really know if the name is writte anywhere
2016-03-05 01:53 <Melanie_T> the hypergrid id is written to presence
2016-03-05 01:54 <Melanie_T> avination doesn't yet use hypergrid
2016-03-05 01:54 <djphil__> but the best way to know avatars presence in a grid is search into "presence" or "griduser" ?
2016-03-05 01:54 <Melanie_T> so i didn't really study this
2016-03-05 01:54 <Melanie_T> presence is the one that is actually kept current
2016-03-05 01:54 <Melanie_T> griduser doesn't get deleted 
2016-03-05 01:54 <Melanie_T> so presence is the one to scan if you want, for instance, show user names of users online in your grid
2016-03-05 01:55 <Melanie_T> a warning:
2016-03-05 01:55 <Melanie_T> some users prefer to be invisible
2016-03-05 01:55 <Melanie_T> having such a list on the website may make people not use your grid
2016-03-05 01:55 <Melanie_T> because cyberstalking is a very present danger
2016-03-05 01:56 <djphil__> i just look inside "griduser" and i see only UserID ... and a hypergrider don't have row in "useraccount" to get the First and Last name
2016-03-05 01:57 <Melanie_T> as i said, i can give you only hints
2016-03-05 01:57 <Melanie_T> i have never run a hypergrid connected grid
2016-03-05 01:57 <Melanie_T> hypergrid and DRM don't mix
2016-03-05 01:57 <Melanie_T> i chose DRM
2016-03-05 01:57 <djphil__> DRL ?
2016-03-05 01:57 <djphil__> M*
2016-03-05 01:58 <Melanie_T> digital rights management
2016-03-05 01:58 <Melanie_T> permissions
2016-03-05 01:58 <Melanie_T> use rights
2016-03-05 01:58 <djphil__> kk
2016-03-05 01:58 <Melanie_T> intellectual property protection
2016-03-05 01:58 <djphil__> IPP :p
2016-03-05 02:00 <djphil__> I think now I have to use lsl to know HG avatar name and also NPC prensence
2016-03-05 02:01 <Melanie_T> you can't do that if you're not the only one writing scripts
2016-03-05 02:01 <Melanie_T> obviously i don't know what you're trying to do
2016-03-05 02:01 <Melanie_T> so i'm of limited help here
2016-03-05 02:02 <djphil__> just try a whois online and a where are avatars web page
2016-03-05 02:02 <djphil__> and display regions names and avatars names
2016-03-05 02:02 <djphil__> the problem is with hypergriders ...
2016-03-05 02:03 <Melanie_T> see above
2016-03-05 02:03 <djphil__> but i can do "if user name not foud, username = " HG User""
2016-03-05 02:03 <Melanie_T> that kind of thing has serious repercussions in the trust department
2016-03-05 02:03 <Melanie_T> people stalking others
2016-03-05 02:04 <Melanie_T> men teleporting to every female name to harass them
2016-03-05 02:04 <Melanie_T> etc
2016-03-05 02:04 <Melanie_T> my _string_ suggestion is to not do it
2016-03-05 02:04 <Melanie_T> _strong_
2016-03-05 02:04 <djphil__> ha ok
2016-03-05 02:04 <Melanie_T> would you want everyone to see who you're cybering with?
2016-03-05 02:04 <djphil__> but a user can choice when check "see in profile"
2016-03-05 02:05 <djphil__> or "see on web page"
2016-03-05 02:05 <djphil__> or "find on map"
2016-03-05 02:05 <Melanie_T> that is the profile
2016-03-05 02:05 <Melanie_T> not the location or presence
2016-03-05 02:05 <djphil__> yes
2016-03-05 02:05 <Melanie_T> believe me, its bad
2016-03-05 02:05 <djphil__> ha ok
2016-03-05 02:05 <Melanie_T> 80% of VW is sex
2016-03-05 02:05 <Melanie_T> and no one wants people to track who they do the nasty with
2016-03-05 02:07 <djphil__> can be just give the number of avatar on the regions populated area to know ... but not say the name of the avatars
2016-03-05 02:07 <djphil__> this is better ?
2016-03-05 02:07 <djphil__> or not ...
2016-03-05 02:08 <Melanie_T> that would still cause people to teleport into potentially private sitations
2016-03-05 02:08 <Melanie_T> how would you like to have strangers show up in your bedroom while you're trying out the new BDSM bed? ;)
2016-03-05 02:08 <Melanie_T> i understand the idea of letting people find each other
2016-03-05 02:08 <Melanie_T> i know the chief complaint of opensim grids
2016-03-05 02:08 <Melanie_T> "There is no one here"
2016-03-05 02:09 <Melanie_T> but that is not the way
2016-03-05 02:09 <Melanie_T> of course code changes would be needed to implement a real solution
2016-03-05 02:09 <Melanie_T> like adding a "available for chat" flag to avatars
2016-03-05 02:09 <Melanie_T> for those who want to be chatted up to mark themselves as such
2016-03-05 02:10 <Melanie_T> liek skype used to have
2016-03-05 02:10 <Melanie_T> the "Skype me! : status
2016-03-05 02:10 <djphil__> I understand your point of view in situations you explain
2016-03-05 02:10 <djphil__> but
2016-03-05 02:10 <djphil__> there are other situations, other grids
2016-03-05 02:10 <djphil__> and for those people, perhaps this can be a welcome tool
2016-03-05 02:10 <Melanie_T> show me a grid without sex and i'll show you the pot of leprechaun's gold
2016-03-05 02:11 <djphil__> Ever
2016-03-05 02:11 <djphil__> Scool Grid
2016-03-05 02:11 <djphil__> (educationnal)
2016-03-05 02:11 <Melanie_T> closed grids and grids for minors don't count
2016-03-05 02:11 <djphil__> or closed entreprise grids
2016-03-05 02:11 <Melanie_T> a public, free signoff, creation-enabled grid
2016-03-05 02:11 <Melanie_T> there isn't one
2016-03-05 02:12 <Melanie_T> every grid has at least a sex bed somewher
2016-03-05 02:12 <Melanie_T> signup*
2016-03-05 02:12 <djphil__> yes, but a grid manager can verify user accounts
2016-03-05 02:12 <djphil__> entreprise list = or != avatar list
2016-03-05 02:12 <Melanie_T> if you want to disallow sex in your grid, then be prepared to have an empty grid
2016-03-05 02:13 <djphil__> lol
2016-03-05 02:14 <djphil__> i will keep these tools for personnal usage for now
2016-03-05 02:14 <djphil__> This requires reflection
2016-03-05 02:15 <djphil__> but in any case, no one is forced to use this tool ...
2016-03-05 02:15 <Melanie_T> as long s people can't opt out of being shown, this is intrusive
2016-03-05 02:16 <Melanie_T> of course as the grid operato, you can use such tools
2016-03-05 02:16 <Melanie_T> i do, too
2016-03-05 02:16 <Melanie_T> but my tool, obviously, doesn't do HG
2016-03-05 02:16 <Melanie_T> making it publicly accessible, however, is a diffeent kettle of fish
2016-03-05 02:17 <djphil__> of fish?
2016-03-05 02:17 <Melanie_T> british saying
2016-03-05 02:18 <Melanie_T> a horse of a different color is a US variant
2016-03-05 02:18 <djphil__> i'm a rabbit!
2016-03-05 02:18 <Melanie_T> then you need to be careful in germany
2016-03-05 02:19 <Melanie_T> since the german saying for "finding the cause of something" is to see where the rabbit lies in pepper
2016-03-05 02:19 <djphil__> So you mean "poses other problems"
2016-03-05 02:19 <Melanie_T> based on a german dish, "Hasenpfeffer", rabbit in pepper
2016-03-05 02:19 <Melanie_T> yes that is what i mean
2016-03-05 02:19 <djphil__> i'm lost ^^
2016-03-05 02:20 <Melanie_T> i'm multilingual :P
2016-03-05 02:20 <djphil__> ok, ty for info and education
2016-03-05 02:20 <Melanie_T> yw
2016-03-05 04:35 <diva> hi everyone, in case you haven't heard, there's some bad news: our friend lkalif passed away
2016-03-05 04:54 <smxy> Oh, shit. :(
2016-03-05 04:54 <smxy> Is there a link to a notice, diva?
2016-03-05 04:56 <diva> not really but his FB page seems to be publicly available: https://www.facebook.com/edin.kadribasic
2016-03-05 04:57 <smxy> Where/how did you hear?
2016-03-05 04:57 <smxy> Do you know what happened? I know he had health issues.
2016-03-05 04:59 <diva> I don't know much. I know that he had been sick for a while, with ups and downs for the past year and and a half
2016-03-05 05:00 <diva> if someone at osgrid would organize a memorial of some sort this weekend, that would be very nice
2016-03-05 05:01 <DevBox> memorial ?
2016-03-05 05:02 <smxy> I hate to ask, but, he maintained libomv, right? That code is someplace where it won't get lost, yes?
2016-03-05 05:03 <diva> some of us have admin access to it
2016-03-05 05:03 <smxy> I feel bad for his friends and family, but for the OpenSim community, too. He was a really smart guy. Not always the easiest to get along with, but you could learn a lot if you listened to him.
2016-03-05 05:03 <diva> he did a couple of years ago
2016-03-05 05:03 <diva> yes, I'm very sad. His spirit was strong. I'll miss him
2016-03-05 05:04 <DevBox> diva: what happen who is this?
2016-03-05 05:04 <diva> lkalif passed away
2016-03-05 05:05 <smxy> and yet he is here, in the channel ... :-(
2016-03-05 05:05 <diva> yes...
2016-03-05 05:05 <DevBox> i am very very for our lost he is a very gentle man and been hosipitalize since long time
2016-03-05 05:05 <diva> I think this happened yesterday, from what I can see in his FB page
2016-03-05 05:06 <smxy> The last post I see there was from November, diva.
2016-03-05 05:06 <diva> his computer is probably still on
2016-03-05 05:06 <smxy> Nov 22
2016-03-05 05:06 <DevBox> anyone has any connection to his family i will send condoulances for them
2016-03-05 05:06 <diva> there's lots of posts since yesterday from friends and family
2016-03-05 05:06 <DevBox> post where?
2016-03-05 05:06 <smxy> strange, I don't see them at all and I'm at the link you gave
2016-03-05 05:07 <DevBox> i loved this guy so so much
2016-03-05 05:07 <diva> maybe I can see them because he was in my FB connections
2016-03-05 05:08 <_murph_> His girlfriend Kristina updated his SL profile. You could probably IM her there, but it's probably very hard for her right now.
2016-03-05 05:08 <_murph_> https://my.secondlife.com/latif.khalifa/#about_tab
2016-03-05 05:42 <djphil__> Plugh you arrond ?
2016-03-05 05:42 <djphil__> OpenSim profile database have a row somewhere for partnering request ?
2016-03-05 05:45 <djphil__> i see only "profilePartner" (uuid) in  "userprofile" database ...
2016-03-05 05:46 <djphil__> any way to accept / refuse partening
2016-03-05 05:50 <smxy> I believe the only way to set/change it is via manually editing the daabase.
2016-03-05 05:50 <smxy> database*
2016-03-05 05:50 <smxy> That's what I've had to do in my grid.
2016-03-05 05:51 <djphil__> yes it seems necessary as this will miss
2016-03-05 05:53 <djphil__> but if all people make this change individually, it will do all of the bone profile with different database name row
2016-03-05 05:53 <djphil__> it might be good to do this would in the version made available for all users in this way everybody has the same database structure
2016-03-05 06:47 <Ubit> lkalif_ has been idle 52hrs 25mins 29secs, signed on Thu Mar 03 02:18:59
2016-03-05 06:47 <Ubit> :(
2016-03-05 13:15 <thoys> Inara wrote a nice article about our friend http://modemworld.me/2016/03/05/remembering-latif-khalifa/
2016-03-05 15:52 <Plugh> djphil__: Partnering is something you have to do via LSL scripts and PHP. There is no built-in feature to set the partner information.
2016-03-05 16:08 -!- IgorVorotiloff(~GuyCharle@unaffiliated/igorvorotiloff) has left #opensim-dev
2016-03-05 17:55 <osmantis> Bug #7834:04 'LinksetPrims' ignored for mesh upload linkset limit 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7834 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-05 19:46 <djphil__> Plugh, you mean Partnering via LSL and php, ok for php but why LSL ?
2016-03-05 19:55 <Plugh> djphil__: Some grids have inworld terminals where they can make a request for a partner. The terminal makes it easier to make the payment for partnering.
2016-03-05 19:56 <djphil__> ha ok, don't know
2016-03-05 19:56 <djphil__> never see "partners" in action
2016-03-05 19:58 <djphil__> hooo just found one LSL partner ...
2016-03-05 19:58 <djphil__> http://www.dreamlandmetaverse.com/sites/default/files/software/PartnersTerminal.lsl
2016-03-05 19:59 <djphil__> but i need done the php part first !
2016-03-05 20:00 <djphil__> Not a lot of information on Google about Partners
2016-03-05 20:04 <JeffKelley> update profilePartner into userprofile
2016-03-05 20:17 <djphil__> ok but not essential ...
2016-03-05 20:17 <djphil__> a new ossl "osPartner", that essential ^^
2016-03-05 20:17 <Wanderer_42> Attention !  The mail in opensim-users mailinglist named "[Opensim-users] Fw: important message" is malicious
2016-03-05 20:25 <Plugh> djphil__: If you search the SL website there will be information on partnering, including the typical fees involved.
2016-03-05 20:28 <Plugh> Has the news about lkalif been posted on a public web page such as a news page for osgrid?
2016-03-05 21:29 <osmantis> Bug #7834:04 'LinksetPrims' ignored for mesh upload linkset limit 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7834 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-03-05 21:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #4604 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-03-05 21:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4604: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4604/
2016-03-05 21:35 <osjenkins> melanie: Fix a couple of typos
2016-03-05 21:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #4605 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-03-05 21:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4605: SUCCESS in 5 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4605/
2016-03-05 21:41 <osjenkins> melanie: Make mesh upload respect the same parts maximum as what is set for the
2016-03-05 22:10 <Plugh> There seems to be a limit of 10 roles for a group. Is that a limit imposed by any grid code or is that just a limit set by a viewer? Can you have more than 10 roles if you add a role to the appropriate database tables manually?
2016-03-05 22:28 <JeffKelley> 320.000 assets/25Gb, should I switch fsassets ?
2016-03-05 22:40 <djphil__> About Partner, viewers send a alert to the user when it have a Partner request or Partner request can be only managed by a web page ?
2016-03-05 22:44 <Plugh> JeffKelley: You could. Are you expecting your database to get a lot bigger?
2016-03-05 22:45 <JeffKelley> i don't expect to reach 50Gb soon, which is the recommended floor according to the wiki
2016-03-05 22:46 <JeffKelley> i'm tweaking almost all I can to get the most of this grid
2016-03-05 22:49 <JeffKelley> bumped MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU, used separated thread for physics, large innodb buffer and logfiles
2016-03-05 22:51 <JeffKelley> oh, and recompiling MONO with large-heap
2016-03-05 22:58 <Plugh> which version of mono are you using?
2016-03-05 23:00 <JeffKelley> i'm using the 3.2.8 rpm to bootstrap 4.* from source, using Melanie's recipe
2016-03-05 23:01 <Plugh> ok. IIRC, just stay away from 4.1 as I believe that is a version that has some problems.
2016-03-05 23:02 <JeffKelley> maybe I'll stop at 3.8 but I want this large-heap thing
2016-03-05 23:24 <Melanie_T> use 4.3.2
2016-03-05 23:24 <Melanie_T> 4.1 sucks and 4.2 has some bugs
2016-03-05 23:25 <Melanie_T> remember, though, mono 4 has removed all .net profiles below 4.0
2016-03-05 23:25 <Melanie_T> and also there is no support for nant anymore
2016-03-05 23:30 <JeffKelley> i use xbuild from long
2016-03-06 00:04 <osmantis> Bug #7834:04 'LinksetPrims' ignored for mesh upload linkset limit 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7834 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-06 00:06 <JeffKelley> is it safe to have two versions of mono on a same machine ?
2016-03-06 00:09 <Plugh> You can do that. You just have to be careful about how/where you install the two versions. 
2016-03-06 00:10 <Plugh> I have mono 4.2 installed system wide but I have 3.12 installed under /opt which I use to run  OpenSimulator instances.
2016-03-06 00:11 <JeffKelley> I have 3.2.8 in /usr and plan to install 4.3.2 in /opt
2016-03-06 00:16 <JeffKelley> let's rehearse one more time in a vm before screwing the production server ;(
2016-03-06 00:16 <Plugh> Having them in different top level directory won't be a problem.
2016-03-06 00:17 <JeffKelley> ln -sf /whatever/mono-sgen /usr/bin/mono should do the switch
2016-03-06 00:41 <Plugh> Don't create a symlink that makes a piece of one version appear in the directory tree of the other version.
2016-03-06 00:41 <JeffKelley> how then ?
2016-03-06 00:42 <Plugh> Use an environment variable to specify the location of the mono you want to use, or reference the mono program using its full path, or use a symlink in your users bin directory to point to the default version you want to use.
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2016-03-06 03:27 <Melanie_T> i have never understood, what, apart from testing, is the purpose of mixing mono versions
2016-03-06 03:57 <osmantis> Bug #7835:04 This Script lags the entire script engine to a crawl if used offten as i use the organ i built 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7835 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-06 04:01 <osmantis> Bug #7835:04 This Script lags the entire script engine to a crawl if used offten as i use the organ i built 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7835 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-03-06 04:25 <Plugh> djphil__: You added the mysql_real_escape_string() around some variables used in SQL queries in osguide then you removed them again. I'll have to spend some time looking at your queries to see if they are safe or not.
2016-03-06 04:25 <Plugh> I won't do that tonight. I'm about to take a break from the computer for a bit.
2016-03-06 04:37 <osmantis> Bug #7835:04 This Script lags the entire script engine to a crawl if used offten as i use the organ i built 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7835 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-06 04:45 <osmantis> Bug #7835:04 This Script lags the entire script engine to a crawl if used offten as i use the organ i built 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7835 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-03-06 12:16 <osmantis> Bug #7835:04 This Script lags the entire script engine to a crawl if used offten as i use the organ i built 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7835 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-06 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #7836:04 transferring full perm mesh object arrives no copy no transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7836 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-06 21:16 <osmantis> Bug #7836:04 transferring full perm mesh object arrives no copy no transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7836 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-06 22:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #4606 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-03-06 22:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4606: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4606/
2016-03-06 22:41 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: Send out avatar position update if velocity is now zero
2016-03-06 22:41 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Remove unused parameter ShouldUseFireAndForgetForCollisions. It was
2016-03-06 22:41 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: use the new 'setAvatarSize' physics call introduced in 0.9.
2016-03-06 23:06 <osmantis> Bug #7813:04 Bulletsim regions... avatar movement continues to drift slowly forward or backward on level ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-06 23:30 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-06 23:37 <lillith_xue> Hello all, i randomly get some strange errors in the ROBUST-Console: http://pastebin.com/TwALL32y This seem to only happen if i am out in HG. Has anyone an idea why it does loose the MySQL-Connection?
2016-03-06 23:38 <Plugh> lillith_xue: I'm just heading off for dinner. First thought is a firewall issue.
2016-03-06 23:38 <Plugh> bbl. Heading off for food.
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2016-03-06 23:39 <diva> what is MySQLFSAssetData?
2016-03-06 23:42 <lillith_xue> hmm good question :-)
2016-03-06 23:42 <lillith_xue> im using fsassets btw
2016-03-06 23:43 <diva> that looks like a misconfiguration of your HG asset service
2016-03-06 23:43 <lillith_xue> hmm
2016-03-06 23:43 <lillith_xue> let me check
2016-03-06 23:44 <lillith_xue> ok a search for MySQLFSAssetData in my Robust.ini gives no result
2016-03-06 23:45 <diva> I would imagine it wouldn't
2016-03-06 23:45 <diva> but you have some misconfiguration there somewhere on the HG asset service
2016-03-06 23:46 <diva> actually, the HG asset service may not work with FSAssets yet
2016-03-06 23:46 <diva> unless someone wrote one
2016-03-06 23:46 <diva> yeah, there's one calles HGFSAssetService
2016-03-06 23:47 <diva> that's the one you need to use
2016-03-06 23:47 <lillith_xue> actually there is not much in this section: http://pastebin.com/Pz2xySRM
2016-03-06 23:51 <diva> that looks about right. What do you have under [AssetService]?
2016-03-06 23:53 <lillith_xue> this: http://pastebin.com/pe5weAu5
2016-03-06 23:55 <diva> and in the [DatabaseService] section , I assume you have the right credentials?
2016-03-06 23:56 <lillith_xue> the asset-server works so far, just randomly shows this errors
2016-03-06 23:56 <danbanner> lillith_xue: melanie added a improvements to fsassets yesterday have you tried them?
2016-03-06 23:57 <lillith_xue> no this one is a bit older
2016-03-06 23:58 <lillith_xue> ok the database data is correct, did a manual test login with that user and password
2016-03-06 23:59 <danbanner> ive seen those "Connection must be valid and open" errors before in the older code 
2016-03-07 00:00 <AliciaRaven> lillith_xue, diva i added the FS assets hg connector, setup info is on wiki, hold on i will find the link
2016-03-07 00:01 <AliciaRaven> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/FSAssets_Service
2016-03-07 00:01 <AliciaRaven> hg setup is at the end of the page
2016-03-07 00:02 <lillith_xue> i used this page to actually make it work :-)
2016-03-07 00:04 <AliciaRaven> k i wrote that page so if anything is missing let me know :)
2016-03-07 00:04 <lillith_xue> if that helps: i use mono 3.10.0 on openSuSE 12.3
2016-03-07 00:04 <AliciaRaven> im not great at explaining things
2016-03-07 00:05 <osmantis> Bug #7837:04 not_at_target event is not triggered in child prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7837 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-07 00:07 <AliciaRaven> i see the db connection is open, i think its a bug in the mysql connector, i havnt see it on my grid but i think some one else had that issue aswell
2016-03-07 00:07 <lillith_xue> I can't complain :-)
2016-03-07 00:08 <lillith_xue> the server is quite small, maybe it happens only under load?
2016-03-07 00:08 <AliciaRaven> connector closed i mean
2016-03-07 00:09 <lillith_xue> i think i remember there was some timeout in mysql connections, so you can't keep it open all the time.
2016-03-07 00:09 <AliciaRaven> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7794
2016-03-07 00:10 <Melanie_> lillith_xue: one of my latest commits fixes this
2016-03-07 00:10 <Melanie_> it ws experienced on osgrid and fixed there, too
2016-03-07 00:10 <Melanie_> it's more commo with MariaDB than with MySQL
2016-03-07 00:10 <Melanie_> As a note, MariaDB is misbehaving in several ways with FSAssets and it's recommended to use MySQL
2016-03-07 00:11 <Melanie_> if you use Maria because you hate Oracle and it breaks you get to keep both pieces
2016-03-07 00:12 <lillith_xue> oh nice. so i will update it as soon as possible. No problem im using MySql. Had issues with other services running on this server not working well on Maria
2016-03-07 00:14 <lillith_xue> Thank you for the help :-)
2016-03-07 00:15 <AliciaRaven> Melanie_ is that fix on master or just osgrid?
2016-03-07 00:15 <osmantis> Bug #7837:04 not_at_target event is not triggered in child prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7837 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-07 00:16 <Melanie_> AliciaRaven: it was made and tested on osgrid but it's in master as of yesterday
2016-03-07 00:18 <AliciaRaven> k thanks Melanie_, think its about time i upgrade to 0.9 and join the testing
2016-03-07 00:32 <misterblue> there are people not using 0.9 because of Things... does anyone have a handle on the Things that are keeping some from moving to 0.9?
2016-03-07 00:34 <lillith_xue> maybe lazyness :-)
2016-03-07 00:34 <smxy> Distros are replacing MySQL with MariaDB. It's *supposed* to be a drop-in replacement for MySQL ...
2016-03-07 00:34 <AliciaRaven> for me its just the number of changes is to great for me to go through and check whats changed myself
2016-03-07 00:35 <smxy> Has 0.9 been released or is it just what dev is?
2016-03-07 00:35 <AliciaRaven> just dev
2016-03-07 00:35 <misterblue> what she said
2016-03-07 00:36 <smxy> I've been essentially away for dour months. I'm afraid to just update to it without knowing how it's different.
2016-03-07 00:36 <smxy> four* months
2016-03-07 00:37 <smxy> Is 0.9 = Avination merge or is that still in a branch?
2016-03-07 00:40 <danbanner> 0.9 includes the merge
2016-03-07 00:40 <smxy> Thanks.
2016-03-07 00:40 <smxy> Ten, basically, everything has changed, potentially.
2016-03-07 00:40 <smxy> Then*
2016-03-07 00:40 <misterblue> I've heard people talk about HG problems... it works but mumble,mumble assets mumble, mumble meshes
2016-03-07 00:41 <lillith_xue> yeah, hg is still quite buggy
2016-03-07 00:41 <misterblue> vehicle border crossing works :)
2016-03-07 00:41 <smxy> Buggy HG is enough for me to not go to it. My grid lives or dies on HG.
2016-03-07 00:42 <AliciaRaven> does it work with bullet aswell as ubode misterblue?
2016-03-07 00:42 <lillith_xue> often scripts fail to load or start, and sometimes meshes are invisible or not loaded after a hg-teleport
2016-03-07 00:42 <misterblue> yes
2016-03-07 00:42 <AliciaRaven> cool :)
2016-03-07 00:43 <misterblue> that's because of the modularization of OpenSimulator... physics engines just plug in
2016-03-07 00:43 <Plugh> I still have to look through about 2078 lines of change log entries to make a summary of the avination merge.
2016-03-07 00:43 <misterblue> the C#, software only version of BulletSim also works... that's how people have it running on Raspberry PIs and such
2016-03-07 00:44 <Plugh> I want to do a grid update but I'm not sure about whether to go with 0.8.2 or risk running 0.9.0
2016-03-07 00:45 <smxy> I've always run the latest Dev, but this time I went to 0.8.2.1 Release, until I know more.
2016-03-07 00:45 <Plugh> well, the dev code that will be 0.9.0 eventually.
2016-03-07 00:46 <Plugh> I'm sure there is going to be some things in the summary that will be missed because the log entries don't always say anything meaningful.
2016-03-07 00:46 <smxy> Who is left as active core developers these days? People have left and there don't seem to be lots of commits so far this year. Is Ubit still working on the merge and its aftermath?
2016-03-07 00:47 <Ubit> im just lost in other work now
2016-03-07 00:47 <smxy> 
ACTION waves

2016-03-07 00:47 <misterblue> that's kinda the problem... we won't get 0.9 debugged unless people are using it... but people won't use it until it is debugged
2016-03-07 00:47 <Ubit> the merge is now the master
2016-03-07 00:48 <smxy> Right, but if people run it and no one's available to fix what's found wrong, then how does it get better?
2016-03-07 00:51 <smxy> misterblue: Isn't this situation one for which OSgriid exists? SO that there's at least one grid running current dev code to test it?
2016-03-07 00:51 <smxy> Or is it not the official test grid any more?
2016-03-07 00:53 <smxy> I think, for my grid, I'll probably run a test grid on it, to help that way, until I have warm fuzzies about HG.
2016-03-07 00:54 <misterblue> it was never really had the official job of being the OpenSimulator test grid but it was a grid that tended to run the latest version so it was the source of a lot testing
2016-03-07 00:54 <Ubit> osgrid now has a large user base, so needs to be a bit conservative on testing also
2016-03-07 00:55 <smxy> Then the code is between the proverbial rock and a hard place.
2016-03-07 00:55 <misterblue> as always :)
2016-03-07 00:55 <misterblue> now need to move rock or hard place
2016-03-07 00:56 <Ubit> but things will get tested in time :)
2016-03-07 00:57 <Plugh> I'll be upgrading a test grid to master.
2016-03-07 00:58 <Ubit> the grid code is the one less tested i think
2016-03-07 00:58 <Plugh> I'm not sure I'd want to risk using master on a live commercial grid. Not without at least a list of known issues.
2016-03-07 00:58 <Ubit> yr not supposed to use master on that  yeap
2016-03-07 00:59 <Ubit> comercial grids should be conservative "play safe" :)
2016-03-07 01:00 <Plugh> Yup. I always do.
2016-03-07 01:04 <Plugh> Its hard to know what log entries are significant and what ones aren't.
2016-03-07 01:06 <Plugh> Something like "Enable scripting interface for windlight" is puzzling as I was sure scripting for Windlight was possible before avnmerge.
2016-03-07 01:07 <misterblue> there are a lot of informational log messages so that later, when a problem comes up, one can look back in the log and see what was turned on/off
2016-03-07 01:08 <Plugh> I'm trying to get the log entries down to something more manageable and let people know what (signficant) changes were made.
2016-03-07 01:09 <Plugh> Seeing the log say something was enabled that I thought was already enabled makes things a bit unclear. I'd likely drop that entry from the summary.
2016-03-07 01:15 <Plugh> I think I need to add a new category to my summary.
2016-03-07 01:28 <Plugh> djphil__: SL has a Home and Garden section in destinations. That might be worth adding to osgrid.
2016-03-07 01:29 <djphil__> i'm no a "osgrid" manager
2016-03-07 01:30 <djphil__> you probably mean about osguide module i made
2016-03-07 01:30 <djphil__> ?
2016-03-07 01:30 <misterblue> who is now? who is upgrading the plazas? (Wright, lbsa, ...)
2016-03-07 01:31 <danbanner> ive been doing all that for a while now
2016-03-07 01:31 <djphil__> but good to know SL have 2 others categories
2016-03-07 01:32 <djphil__> now i will wait to know wich number have these twoo new categories
2016-03-07 01:32 <djphil__> and after i can update osguide proprely
2016-03-07 01:33 <djphil__> Maybee you know already the numbers ?
2016-03-07 01:41 <Plugh> djphil__: I meant to say osguide, not osgrid.
2016-03-07 01:42 <djphil__> ok Plugh
2016-03-07 01:42 <djphil__> and you know the cats numbers ?
2016-03-07 03:00 <Melanie_> smxy: so your grid would be ideally placed to give us the info we need to mak HG work properly
2016-03-07 03:01 <Melanie_> smxy: Myself, misterblue, Ubit, diva, Plugh, are all active core
2016-03-07 03:03 <Melanie_> 0.9 has some issues with mesh if and ONLY IF ubODE is used
2016-03-07 03:03 <Melanie_> ubODE demands well-formed mesh
2016-03-07 03:03 <Melanie_> ODE used to accept invalid/broken mesh and "fixed" it on the fly
2016-03-07 03:03 <Melanie_> resulting in major resource wastage
2016-03-07 03:04 <Melanie_> those who don't want to fix bad mesh need to use old ODE or bullet
2016-03-07 03:04 <Melanie_> and just simply take the hit on their CPU
2016-03-07 03:04 <Melanie_> permissions were spot-tested recntly and seem to be good on 0.9
2016-03-07 03:05 <Melanie_> but i will be doing some in-depth testing now that i have mono 4.3.2 under control
2016-03-07 03:05 <Melanie_> ------
2016-03-07 03:06 <Melanie_> Regardless of whether distros make MariaDB their standard mysq, it has serious shortcomings
2016-03-07 03:06 <Melanie_> MariaDB is chosen by those distros because of open source evangelism and anti-oracle bias
2016-03-07 03:06 <Melanie_> not because of performance and stability
2016-03-07 03:07 <Melanie_> maria may in some cases outperform mysql but it has much less to offer in stability because of new code merged into innodb
2016-03-07 03:07 <Melanie_> opensim's database usage patterns are particularly harsh in some respects and _will_ cause maria to break eventually
2016-03-07 03:07 <Melanie_> for now, MariaDB can't be recommended for opensim installations
2016-03-07 05:12 <djphil__> What is the column "Offered" in opensim "friends" database. She never seems to change value, it remains 0
2016-03-07 05:12 <AliciaRaven> djphil__ request waiting to be accepted
2016-03-07 05:12 <AliciaRaven> .. or rejected
2016-03-07 05:12 <djphil__> no
2016-03-07 05:12 <djphil__> remain 0 too
2016-03-07 05:12 <djphil__> 0 = Friend request
2016-03-07 05:13 <djphil__> 0 (+uuid = principalid) = Friend request accepted
2016-03-07 05:13 <djphil__> i have tested that
2016-03-07 05:13 <djphil__> but maybee i have wrong ...
2016-03-07 05:13 <AliciaRaven> strange, i cant think what else it could be
2016-03-07 05:14 <djphil__> i think is teeport offre
2016-03-07 05:14 <djphil__> but not
2016-03-07 05:14 <AliciaRaven> maybe its unused if changes made to allow hg friends made it obsolete, just a guess tho
2016-03-07 05:14 <djphil__> i continue to search fir what is it
2016-03-07 05:14 <djphil__> yes maybee is unused
2016-03-07 05:14 <djphil__> or obselet ...
2016-03-07 05:16 <djphil__> Freinds is a core module, right ?
2016-03-07 05:17 <AliciaRaven> yep
2016-03-07 05:17 <djphil__> maybee it requiere a little fix ...
2016-03-07 05:18 <djphil__> i test it on 0.8.2
2016-03-07 05:19 <AliciaRaven> large grids dont like dropping fields from tables, there are unused fields in asset table that people know about and wont drop because it would cause down time
2016-03-07 05:20 <djphil__> sql migration is always possible, no ?
2016-03-07 05:22 <AliciaRaven> yes, but large grids dont want the down time of dropping a field from a table, i have brought the subject up before about wasted space from unused db fields
2016-03-07 05:25 <djphil__> certainly possible to do this would seamlessly ... especially if this field is not used, its deletion will not affect anything.
2016-03-07 05:25 <djphil__> but first we need to know if this fields have a usage or not
2016-03-07 05:26 <AliciaRaven> depends on the size of the table, and any db replication etc or thats what i was told
2016-03-07 05:27 <AliciaRaven> when u load an IAR file, the default asset table is populated with the name string "From IAR" and that is not used by anything, and description field aswell is not used
2016-03-07 05:27 <djphil__> 
ACTION not agree with you :)

2016-03-07 05:28 <AliciaRaven> eh u like it for admins manually reading the db?
2016-03-07 05:28 <djphil__> no, first i just ask for what is this row
2016-03-07 05:28 <AliciaRaven> the viewer takes the name and description from the inventory table, not assets
2016-03-07 05:29 <djphil__> the name of what ?
2016-03-07 05:29 <djphil__> i talk about Freinds database
2016-03-07 05:29 <AliciaRaven> asset name is not used, inventory name is used
2016-03-07 05:29 <djphil__> Friends*
2016-03-07 05:29 <AliciaRaven> yes im talking about another example of a field that isnt used
2016-03-07 05:29 <djphil__> i don't talk about assets
2016-03-07 05:30 <djphil__> another exemple = another situation/variables
2016-03-07 05:30 <AliciaRaven> i know, im just using it as an example of how a table could contain fields that are not used
2016-03-07 05:30 <djphil__> ok
2016-03-07 05:30 <djphil__> exaplein me
2016-03-07 05:31 <djphil__> explain to me*
2016-03-07 05:31 <djphil__> what appen if a asset name isn't used ?
2016-03-07 05:32 <AliciaRaven> nothing, it takes up space in the db and is never read by opensim
2016-03-07 05:32 <djphil__> exact
2016-03-07 05:32 <djphil__> where is the problem then ?
2016-03-07 05:32 <djphil__> why don't remove it ?
2016-03-07 05:33 <AliciaRaven> umm i already explained that lol
2016-03-07 05:33 <djphil__> ha oki :)
2016-03-07 05:33 <AliciaRaven> im looking a friends data now
2016-03-07 05:33 <djphil__> kk
2016-03-07 05:34 <djphil__> and maybee the IAR format requiere complet fields filling ..
2016-03-07 05:35 <djphil__> ha maybee "Offered is for groups invite ...
2016-03-07 05:35 <djphil__> no trying taht
2016-03-07 05:35 <AliciaRaven> IARs just shouldnt save any name to assets, waste of space lol
2016-03-07 05:37 <AliciaRaven> mm could it be inventory item offered? i would expect that to be in IM table tho so i doubt it
2016-03-07 05:38 <djphil__> if 'offrered" is unused, isn't a problem ... i just whant to know if is it or for what is it ...
2016-03-07 05:40 <AliciaRaven> pretty sure its not used
2016-03-07 05:40 <djphil__> at this time i have that : http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/30023220160307063837.jpg
2016-03-07 05:41 <djphil__> yepp maybee not used ...
2016-03-07 05:41 <djphil__> i see too Flags "2" isn't possible
2016-03-07 05:42 <djphil__> only 0, 1, 3, 4, and 7
2016-03-07 05:42 <AliciaRaven> data read from friends table does not include that field
2016-03-07 05:43 <djphil__> in the viewer you meant
2016-03-07 05:44 <djphil__> whats happen if "offered" is a Gift ...
2016-03-07 05:44 <AliciaRaven> no, gift or inventory will be im IM table
2016-03-07 05:45 <AliciaRaven> offered field in friends table isnt read by opensim
2016-03-07 05:46 <AliciaRaven> opensim runs this query...
2016-03-07 05:46 <AliciaRaven> select a.*,case when b.Flags is null then -1 else b.Flags end as TheirFlags from {0} as a left join {0} as b on a.PrincipalID = b.Friend and a.Friend = b.PrincipalID where a.PrincipalID = ?PrincipalID
2016-03-07 05:47 <AliciaRaven> unless its using it in another part of the code i havnt looked at its just not read
2016-03-07 05:47 <djphil__> i do somethink similare
2016-03-07 05:48 <djphil__> no problem with that
2016-03-07 05:48 <djphil__> but i have many others ^^
2016-03-07 05:48 <AliciaRaven> db fluff lol
2016-03-07 05:49 <djphil__> no no, take care
2016-03-07 05:50 <djphil__> ok, go back to the initial question
2016-03-07 05:51 <djphil__> 99% unused
2016-03-07 05:51 <djphil__> and the 1% remain ?
2016-03-07 05:51 <AliciaRaven> 99.99%
2016-03-07 05:51 <djphil__> :)
2016-03-07 05:52 <djphil__> i hope somebody can confirm that
2016-03-07 05:52 <AliciaRaven> friends doesnt read it, and no other code references the FriendsStore db section so i think its safe, but yea best double check with some one else
2016-03-07 05:52 <djphil__> and if is not used actually ... what happen with it for the futur ?
2016-03-07 05:53 <djphil__> yes double check is best
2016-03-07 05:53 <AliciaRaven> sit their gathering dust till the end of time lol
2016-03-07 05:55 <djphil__> is a little think
2016-03-07 05:55 <djphil__> and Friends are clean
2016-03-07 05:56 <djphil__> AliciaRaven, about SimpleCurrency (from Aurora)
2016-03-07 05:56 <djphil__> Do you think that possible migration to OpenSim ?
2016-03-07 05:56 <djphil__> you remember Simple Currency module ?
2016-03-07 05:57 <AliciaRaven> i would expect its too different, yes i remember
2016-03-07 05:57 <AliciaRaven> creating a currency module isnt that hard tho
2016-03-07 05:57 <Plugh> OpenSim will not include a full currency system in the core code due to liability issues.
2016-03-07 05:57 <djphil__> maybee ... if you know the language
2016-03-07 05:57 <djphil__> i don't know
2016-03-07 05:58 <Ubit> there is nothing "simple"  about currency 
2016-03-07 05:58 <djphil__> only php isnt sufficient to make it work
2016-03-07 05:58 <djphil__> if you remeber i write a php for Aurora-Webui Simpe,Currency
2016-03-07 05:59 <djphil__> that not a problem
2016-03-07 05:59 <djphil__> bit is it if you have no currency mod ^^
2016-03-07 05:59 <djphil__> a part of "Partners" need currency too
2016-03-07 06:00 <djphil__> but you can use it without if you whant ... just no pay for maried/divorce
2016-03-07 06:01 <djphil__> maybee is more easy to remove the "paypal" part of a existing opensim money module ?
2016-03-07 06:04 <Ubit> the "simplecity" i was talking was not tech.. its like Plugh said
2016-03-07 06:05 <Ubit> err simplicity ? :)
2016-03-07 06:16 <Ubit> lkalif no longer here to joke with my bad english :(
2016-03-07 06:17 <AliciaRaven> :(
2016-03-07 06:25 <Ubit> someone should go to his place shutdown the pc etc :(
2016-03-07 06:26 <AliciaRaven> i think it must be a rented server with an irc bouncer
2016-03-07 06:26 <Ubit> possible
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2016-03-07 09:58 <osmantis> Bug #7838:04 osGetSimulatorMemory does not work over 2gb 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7838 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-07 13:04 <osmantis> Bug #7789:04 Implement HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH in llHTTPRequest 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-07 13:21 <osmantis> Bug #7839:04 [PROPOSAL] for HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7839 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-03-07 13:22 <osmantis> Bug #7789:04 Implement HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH in llHTTPRequest 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7789 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2016-03-07 13:22 <osmantis> Bug #7789:04 Implement HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH in llHTTPRequest 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7789 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2016-03-07 13:27 <osmantis> Bug #7839:04 [PROPOSAL] for HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7839 ): Le bogue suivant a été LIÉ au bogue 0007789.
2016-03-07 13:27 <osmantis> Bug #7789:04 Implement HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH in llHTTPRequest 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7789 ): Le bogue suivant a été LIÉ au bogue 0007839.
2016-03-07 13:54 <osmantis> Bug #7840:04 SimulationFrameTime has low value, SpareFrameTime is zero 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7840 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-07 13:55 <osmantis> Bug #7840:04 SimulationFrameTime has low value, SpareFrameTime is zero 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7840 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-03-07 15:40 <osmantis> Bug #7728:04 Region prim count reported by the viewer is different than the one reported by osGetRegionStats 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7728 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-07 15:49 <osmantis> Bug #7728:04 Region prim count reported by the viewer is different than the one reported by osGetRegionStats 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7728 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2016-03-07 19:02 <Melanie_> djphil: As I announced yesterday, the opencurrency module on forge is now adapteed to 0.9
2016-03-07 19:02 <Melanie_> it is exactly what you want - pure play money
2016-03-07 19:08 <osmantis> Bug #7839:04 [PROPOSAL] for HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7839 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-07 19:10 <Melanie_> AliciaRaven, djphil: It is long been core policy to never drop a database field. We also do not add fields to certain databases like inventoryitems or assets. All of these action could cause days of downtime for larger grids.
2016-03-07 19:21 <osmantis> Bug #7839:04 [PROPOSAL] for HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7839 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-03-08 01:52 <djphil> Melanie_ : You mean this one ? http://forge.opensimulator.org/melanie/OpenCurrency
2016-03-08 01:53 <Melanie_> yes
2016-03-08 01:53 <Melanie_> i updated it yesterday
2016-03-08 01:53 <djphil> that really what i whant over a very very long time
2016-03-08 01:54 <djphil> just play with fake monney fir fun !
2016-03-08 01:54 <Melanie_> glad you're happy now
2016-03-08 01:54 <djphil> ho yes 100% happy !
2016-03-08 01:54 <Melanie_> that is my play money module and i update it for each version as we move along
2016-03-08 01:54 <djphil> This one is for OS v0.9.x
2016-03-08 01:54 <djphil> Do you have the same v0.8.
2016-03-08 01:54 <Melanie_> but most of the time i don't think about it until someone asks :)
2016-03-08 01:54 <Melanie_> i don't support 0.8
2016-03-08 01:54 <Melanie_> you can go bck in the git history
2016-03-08 01:55 <Melanie_> and get a version that works with 0.8
2016-03-08 01:55 <djphil> ok, nice!
2016-03-08 01:55 <Melanie_> just look at the commits
2016-03-08 01:55 <Melanie_> and download an earlier version
2016-03-08 01:55 <djphil> i will try do that
2016-03-08 01:55 <Melanie_> but i recommend using 0.9
2016-03-08 01:55 <Melanie_> 0.8 has known issues
2016-03-08 01:55 <djphil> yes sure
2016-03-08 01:55 <djphil> but my "test" simulator is on 0.8 right now
2016-03-08 01:56 <djphil> i made all osmodules i made with this 0.8
2016-03-08 01:56 <djphil> i now cuurency comming son :)
2016-03-08 01:56 <djphil> soon*
2016-03-08 02:02 <djphil> i found commits for 0.7.5 here http://forge.opensimulator.org/melanie/OpenCurrency/commits/master
2016-03-08 02:02 <djphil> what is the good commit for 0.8.x ?
2016-03-08 02:02 <djphil> 3a51130d0a ?
2016-03-08 02:21 <djphil> This module requiere no configuration, no .ini file ?
2016-03-08 02:27 <djphil> i just have installed this one http://forge.opensimulator.org/melanie/OpenCurrency/tree/3a51130d0a484ba526265c47e1492f846454d703
2016-03-08 02:27 <djphil> just put the dll inside my 0.8 bin ans start the simulator
2016-03-08 02:28 <djphil> it seam the module isn't loaded, i see any message about currency mod
2016-03-08 02:28 <djphil> maybee i need enable it somewhere ?
2016-03-08 02:49 <osmantis> Bug #7839:04 [PROPOSAL] for HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7839 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-03-08 02:53 <djphil> The OpenCurrency create database ?
2016-03-08 02:53 <djphil> not sure i have the right dll ... i start my simu but i see nothing happen's ^^
2016-03-08 03:02 <djphil> The Open Currency should appear in the list here, right? http://pastebin.com/ue5HHPX1
2016-03-08 03:07 <djphil> I think I have tried all the .dll Open Currency I found prior to 0.9.x but it seems that no one wants to work with 0.8.x
2016-03-08 03:11 <Ken_S> Personally, I don't know why anyone would not be using the very latest dev master instead of something old with more bugs.
2016-03-08 03:12 <djphil> i use both
2016-03-08 03:13 <djphil> but the Official Release is 0.8.2.1, not 0.9.x
2016-03-08 03:13 <djphil> Using last Dev is risk ...
2016-03-08 03:14 <djphil> New bugs, new limit's ...
2016-03-08 03:17 <djphil> Also, if you attach your simulator has a grid, you can have compatibility problems if you use the Master Dev code
2016-03-08 04:00 <djphil> The OpenCurrency require additionnal php to work ?
2016-03-08 04:00 <djphil> helper.php or currency.php something
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2016-03-08 09:33 <osmantis> Bug #7813:04 Bulletsim regions... avatar movement continues to drift slowly forward or backward on level ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-08 15:09 <cupoftea_> hey all :) just wondering what the recommended opensim version is for a private project grid. Looking to host max 10-20 simultaneous avatars no vehicles or complicated physics. Running on a dedicated box with 8Gb ram, 100Mbps net connection, currently running crusty old Debian Wheezy.
2016-03-08 15:16 <Melanie_> The easiest way is 0.8.2 release. 
2016-03-08 15:17 <Melanie_> You can also use the Diva Distribution (D2) which will give you a web interface on top
2016-03-08 15:18 <cupoftea_> thanks :) no need to go to 0.9.x then?
2016-03-08 15:26 <Melanie_> 0.9 is recommended for all new installations but if you're new to things compiling can be an uphill battle
2016-03-08 15:26 <Melanie_> 0.8.2 and D3 are available as binaries
2016-03-08 15:27 <Melanie_> if you're comfortable with compiling and configuring from scratch, you should try 0.9
2016-03-08 15:27 <cupoftea_> oh - so 0.9 only around as C# source. 
2016-03-08 15:27 <Melanie_> yes until there is an osgrid build or an official release, it's sorce only
2016-03-08 15:27 <Melanie_> we don't usually release binaries of development code
2016-03-08 15:28 <Melanie_> it's just work someone would have to do and we're fresh out of someones
2016-03-08 15:28 <cupoftea_> fair enough. i might shoot myself in the foot and do an OS upgrade and then try 0.9. That should delay my project indefinitely :)
2016-03-08 15:28 <Melanie_> wheezy is relatively stable
2016-03-08 15:29 <Melanie_> it really all depends on whether you have mono for wheezy in a relatively recent version
2016-03-08 15:29 <Melanie_> but opensim does still run on any mono from 2.10.9
2016-03-08 15:30 <Melanie_> 4.3.2 is also a good pick if you can get it
2016-03-08 15:30 <Melanie_> i would stay away from mono 3.x
2016-03-08 15:30 <Melanie_> but that's just me
2016-03-08 15:30 <cupoftea_> Mono JIT compiler version 2.10.8.1 (Debian 2.10.8.1-8) with Boehm GC
2016-03-08 15:31 <Melanie_> it will work
2016-03-08 15:31 <Melanie_> better results are achieved by self-compiling mono with the --with-large-heap option
2016-03-08 15:31 <Melanie_> but for your needs that mono will run it
2016-03-08 15:31 <Melanie_> compiling recent mono can be challenging
2016-03-08 15:32 <cupoftea_> cool beans. Can i compile 0.9 on the CLI? and if so, should I try and compile 0.9 and report back to the community iw. would anybody be served with my binaries?
2016-03-08 15:32 <cupoftea_> *.ie
2016-03-08 15:37 <cupoftea_> no matter - i'll go with 0.8.x and just get my project going. thanks for the time and info! have a fab day all :)
2016-03-08 18:13 <JeffKelley> does it make a difference in the final product using autoconf rather than configure when compiling mono ?
2016-03-08 19:10 <velusunivers-sys> Melanie_, so have i seen right above no one wants to create the binaries anymore?
2016-03-08 19:13 <smxy> There are no *0.9* binaries, as it's still just Dev code. When it's released, I'm sure binaries will be made.
2016-03-08 19:14 <smxy> If you want to use 0.9, before release, they, yes, you need to compile it yourself, as is true of all Dev code.
2016-03-08 19:14 <smxy> s/they/then/
2016-03-08 19:14 <velusunivers-sys> <Melanie_> it's just work someone would have to do and we're fresh out of someones ?? this is what i was refering to
2016-03-08 19:15 <velusunivers-sys> if there is no one doing it, then i dont mind doing them my self for people 
2016-03-08 19:17 <velusunivers-sys> i know how to compile it and that 
2016-03-08 19:23 <Melanie_> velusunivers-sys: some projects publish binary betas
2016-03-08 19:23 <Melanie_> we just don't do that
2016-03-08 19:23 <Melanie_> never have done
2016-03-08 19:24 <velusunivers-sys> do you publish the final version i.e the final 0,9 exct
2016-03-08 19:24 <Melanie_> sometimes osgrid will build a binary from a source revision that isn't a release but one they recommend
2016-03-08 19:24 <Melanie_> but we will build "official" binaries only when we roll a release
2016-03-08 19:24 <Melanie_> always been this way
2016-03-08 19:25 <velusunivers-sys> ok that comment about the fresh out of someones, that made me think that there would be no more binaries
2016-03-08 19:26 <Melanie_> just my brand of humor
2016-03-08 19:26 <Melanie_> it was just to say we have no time for rolling binaries everyone changes one line of code
2016-03-08 19:27 <velusunivers-sys> ok lol i was thinking if that was true then i would step up and create them when needed, i have several systems and os'es so would of been able to make them in both 32/64bit wind/unix
2016-03-08 19:28 <Melanie_> well, there isn't anything native that needs to be built for a release
2016-03-08 19:28 <velusunivers-sys> true 
2016-03-08 19:29 <Melanie_> but we have found that some code, when compiled on mono, may not run as well on windows 
2016-03-08 19:29 <Melanie_> but when the code is compiled on windows, it runs well on all platforms
2016-03-08 19:29 <velusunivers-sys> but the zips are different and the way they are commpressed are different so zipping on different systems are better
2016-03-08 19:29 <Melanie_> the MS CIL appears to better formed than the mono CIL
2016-03-08 19:29 <velusunivers-sys> ok didnt know that
2016-03-08 19:29 <Melanie_> if you run on linux then building on linux is fine
2016-03-08 19:30 <Melanie_> but our binary official releases have been built on windows as fas as i know
2016-03-08 19:36 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-08 19:39 <velusunivers-sys> i have one project im working on atm though Melanie_ is an operating system based on linux it will possible have a yum/ndf based package manager, it will have the packages for mono and may even create packages for opensim too 
2016-03-08 19:41 <Melanie_> velusunivers-sys: what is the diferentiator of your "spin" as opposed to the existing ones?
2016-03-08 19:43 <velusunivers-sys> nothing really tbh, its just something im working on, its not like its going to be a massive distro, i am mainly doing it as a learning experiance more than anything. and its not one of those suse studio products but built from scratch
2016-03-08 19:44 <Melanie_> whatever suse studio is
2016-03-08 19:44 <velusunivers-sys> its a way of creating your own os but from suse its self 
2016-03-08 19:44 <velusunivers-sys> so its like having suse but with your name on it
2016-03-08 19:45 <Melanie_> i fail to see the point
2016-03-08 19:45 <velusunivers-sys> a learning experiance
2016-03-08 19:46 <Melanie_> i meant, the point to suse studio
2016-03-08 19:46 <Melanie_> doing it from scratch will definitely teach you a lot
2016-03-08 19:46 <velusunivers-sys> that i dont know exactly
2016-03-08 19:46 <velusunivers-sys> yeah i know it would thats why im trying it
2016-03-08 19:47 <velusunivers-sys> https://susestudio.com/ thats suse studio
2016-03-08 19:51 <JeffKelley> Melanie_ : in your explanations on how to build mono, i see you use autoconf. does it make a difference it we use configure ?
2016-03-08 19:53 <Melanie_> the naked mono download doesn't contain a configure script
2016-03-08 19:53 <Melanie_> the autogen.sh step creates it
2016-03-08 19:53 <Melanie_> any args given to autogen.sh are passed to configure
2016-03-08 19:53 <Melanie_> so after the first run that creates the configure script, autoconf.sh is synonymous with configure
2016-03-08 19:53 <Melanie_> as you can see from reading config.log
2016-03-08 19:54 <JeffKelley> k, thanks
2016-03-08 20:01 <Plugh> Does, or will, 0.9 refuse HG connections from people running old(er) versions of grid code? If so, what is the cut off?
2016-03-08 20:10 <diva> Plugh it should accept connections from 0.8.0, at least
2016-03-08 20:25 <Plugh> I know there had been issues due to a change in the protocols re: HG. Something about crashing an instance or grid when going between grids running different versions of OS.
2016-03-08 20:37 <Melanie_> Plugh: 0.9 will make a best effort to accet connections from older versions
2016-03-08 20:37 <Melanie_> it will refuse to connect to 0.7.9 and below
2016-03-08 20:38 <Melanie_> but because of the way the protocol doesn't really allow us to determine the exact old version connecting
2016-03-08 20:38 <Melanie_> connects from 0.7.9 may even succeed but the avatar may not rez
2016-03-08 20:38 <Melanie_> 0.7.9 is ancient and we can't support it
2016-03-08 20:38 <Melanie_> not without foregoing tecnological advencements we need
2016-03-08 20:40 <Plugh> Found the question -> people have said there are problems with HG and the latest OpenSimulator sources... does anyone have a specific failure?
2016-03-08 20:48 <Plugh> bbl
2016-03-08 23:15 <velusunivers-sys> what os does people use for deving and also what programs
2016-03-08 23:17 <Melanie_> many use visual studio under windows. i use linux and work on the command line with vi
2016-03-08 23:17 <Melanie_> people have tried monodevelop with mixed success
2016-03-08 23:17 <velusunivers-sys> ok what linux do you use?
2016-03-08 23:21 <Melanie_> centos
2016-03-08 23:21 <Melanie_> centos 6 because i don't like systemd
2016-03-08 23:21 <Melanie_> but i think i will have to use centos 7 for the next generation of servers
2016-03-08 23:21 <Melanie_> so to stay on a supported version
2016-03-08 23:21 <Melanie_> and not be stuck EOL when an exploit is found
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2016-03-09 00:33 <smxy> Melanie_: I use the same version for the same reason, but I'm starting to learn version 7 because (whether I like it or not) it's the future for RHEL/CentOS. Plus, it will position me to move to it at work too, where I'm only just finishing migrating to RHEL6 from RHEL5.
2016-03-09 00:55 <Plugh> Is "Restore In World" feature working in git master?
2016-03-09 00:58 <Melanie_> no
2016-03-09 00:58 <Melanie_> it never worked anywhere
2016-03-09 00:59 <Melanie_> not even in avn
2016-03-09 00:59 <velusunivers-sys> what is the restore i world for?
2016-03-09 00:59 <Melanie_> to put back something you accidentally took
2016-03-09 00:59 <Melanie_> in exactly the same place, orientation, etc
2016-03-09 00:59 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-09 00:59 <velusunivers-sys> wonder what is wrong with it?
2016-03-09 00:59 <Melanie_> it was never implemented
2016-03-09 01:00 <Melanie_> it's a no-op
2016-03-09 01:00 <Melanie_> no one was interested in doing it
2016-03-09 01:00 <velusunivers-sys> no op?
2016-03-09 01:00 <Melanie_> i didn't even know that it existed until the merge
2016-03-09 01:01 <Melanie_> no operation
2016-03-09 01:01 <Melanie_> no-op or nop in programmer talk
2016-03-09 01:01 <Melanie_> something that does nothing
2016-03-09 01:02 <velusunivers-sys> ok would it be done or not?
2016-03-09 01:03 <Melanie_> if and when someone does it or pays someone to do it
2016-03-09 01:03 <Melanie_> i personally have no intention fo implementing it as i'm working on different projects at this time
2016-03-09 01:03 <Melanie_> and since i didnt have it for the past 6 years, i don't have a personal need for it
2016-03-09 01:04 <Melanie_> someone else may do it
2016-03-09 01:04 <Melanie_> we'll be happy to take patches against master
2016-03-09 01:10 <Plugh> Melanie_: I might have a look at implementing it. It would depend on how deep I'd have to get in to the back end code.
2016-03-09 01:11 <Melanie_> well, when an object is taken, the last position is still in the object
2016-03-09 01:11 <Melanie_> the position and rotation are part of the serialization
2016-03-09 01:11 <Melanie_> a normal rez overwrites this data
2016-03-09 01:11 <Melanie_> so you would need to find the correct overload of RezObject (the one that uses inventory)
2016-03-09 01:12 <Melanie_> add a bool , like lastPosition to the param list
2016-03-09 01:12 <Melanie_> and inside the rez object function, just after deserialization, set the rez position to last position
2016-03-09 01:12 <Melanie_> then hook that modified overload to the viewer event
2016-03-09 01:12 <Melanie_> it should be about 20 LOC
2016-03-09 01:12 <Melanie_> all considered
2016-03-09 01:12 <Plugh> Sure, easy for you to say. :)
2016-03-09 01:13 <Melanie_> it's brittle code there
2016-03-09 01:13 <Plugh> Does sound straightforward thing to do.
2016-03-09 01:13 <Melanie_> so it needs a LOT of testing
2016-03-09 01:13 <Melanie_> to do it right, we would have to store the region an object came from in the object as well
2016-03-09 01:13 <Melanie_> and refuse to restore in world if the region we're in isn't the same
2016-03-09 01:13 <Melanie_> also, failure modes
2016-03-09 01:14 <Plugh> I have heard from some people that in SL it doesn't remember the name of the region so it just restores to the last known position in the current region.
2016-03-09 01:14 <Melanie_> trying to restore in world a no-copy object of someone has revoked your rez rights between the take and the restore
2016-03-09 01:14 <Melanie_> would cause loss of the object unless handled
2016-03-09 01:14 <Melanie_> etc.
2016-03-09 01:14 <Melanie_> ok
2016-03-09 01:14 <Melanie_> so at least that is not needed
2016-03-09 01:14 <Melanie_> changing the serialization format is evil
2016-03-09 01:14 <Melanie_> still failure mode handling needs to be considered
2016-03-09 01:14 <Plugh> You are right that remembering the original region would be the proper way to do it.
2016-03-09 01:15 <Plugh> hm... that's all starting to sound like a bit more than 20 LOC
2016-03-09 01:16 <Plugh> Could also be problems if someone tried to restore when build perms are off or not allowed for the avatar who wants to restore something.
2016-03-09 01:16 <Melanie_> that's the failure modes
2016-03-09 01:16 <Melanie_> it's probably already there
2016-03-09 01:16 <Melanie_> because it works for RezOnRay
2016-03-09 01:17 <Melanie_> jst needs testing
2016-03-09 01:17 <Melanie_> i could code it up in an hour
2016-03-09 01:17 <Plugh> Would the Restore selection from the viewer be sending a message to OS that needs to be be hooked in somewhere.
2016-03-09 01:17 <Melanie_> i just don't have the 2 days for testing it
2016-03-09 01:18 <Plugh> In other words, if the viewer sent the Restore request would the message be received and passed along to some routine somewhere, even if that routine just ignores the request?
2016-03-09 01:18 <Melanie_> it may need a short packet handler in IClientAPI
2016-03-09 01:19 <Plugh> This sounds like a feature that is best filed in a mantis so it isn't forgotten.
2016-03-09 01:19 <Melanie_> there may be one
2016-03-09 01:19 <Melanie_> check for it
2016-03-09 01:19 <Plugh> ok, I'll have a look.
2016-03-09 01:20 <Melanie_> and bump it if there is
2016-03-09 01:22 <Plugh> I don't find an entry with Restore in the summary.
2016-03-09 01:22 <Plugh> Not one that is relevant to Restore In World.
2016-03-09 01:24 <Plugh> Nothing that seems relevent with 'return' in the summary.
2016-03-09 01:27 <Melanie_> then i guess it's ok to file one
2016-03-09 01:27 <Plugh> I was trying to get creative in thinking how someone might refer to the feature in case it was already there somewhere.
2016-03-09 01:30 <Melanie_> technically, it's called RezRestoreToWorld
2016-03-09 01:31 <velusunivers-sys> i wish i knew c#
2016-03-09 01:34 <Melanie_> it's not all it's hyped up to be
2016-03-09 01:35 <velusunivers-sys> i bet but it would make things easier for me with opensim
2016-03-09 01:35 <Plugh> If you know C and you know a bit about OOP it isn't too bad.
2016-03-09 01:35 <velusunivers-sys> i dont know c
2016-03-09 01:35 <velusunivers-sys> but i do know oop
2016-03-09 01:35 <Plugh> oh, well there you go. Knowing C helps (at least it does for me).
2016-03-09 01:36 <velusunivers-sys> yeah i am hopeing to learn c soon though
2016-03-09 01:37 <Plugh> Do you know any Java?
2016-03-09 01:37 <velusunivers-sys> nope 
2016-03-09 01:37 <velusunivers-sys> not yet
2016-03-09 01:37 <Plugh> oh,, ok
2016-03-09 01:37 <Plugh> It has some similarities to that.
2016-03-09 01:37 <velusunivers-sys> i belive so 
2016-03-09 01:41 <Melanie_> what languages do you know?
2016-03-09 01:41 <velusunivers-sys> php
2016-03-09 01:42 <Melanie_> well, not so similar there
2016-03-09 01:42 <velusunivers-sys> i know lol
2016-03-09 01:44 <Plugh> There is a slight similarity but probably not enough to help.
2016-03-09 01:45 <velusunivers-sys> yep i know thats why im going to learn c then try c#
2016-03-09 01:46 <Plugh> I see some similarities amongst C, Perl, AWK, C#, Java, PHP
2016-03-09 01:53 <velusunivers-sys> im going t bed see you all in the morning
2016-03-09 01:54 <Melanie_> Plugh: i just coded up the part that connects the viewer's packet to a usable event for RezRestoreToWorld
2016-03-09 01:55 <Plugh> yea, I see that. ok, ty. I still need to file that mantis.
2016-03-09 01:55 <Melanie_> this takes it far enough for you to play with
2016-03-09 01:55 <Melanie_> i'm off to bed
2016-03-09 01:56 <Plugh> yea, Just need the time to sit down with it. Still trying to deal with a few other things.
2016-03-09 01:56 <Plugh> I see some other mantis reports that I might be able to tackle. Some of them are still marked as new.
2016-03-09 01:57 <Plugh> night, Melanie.
2016-03-09 02:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #4607 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-03-09 02:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4607: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4607/
2016-03-09 02:06 <osjenkins> * melanie: Plumb RezRestoreToWorld from the client (part done)
2016-03-09 02:06 <osjenkins> * melanie: Finish plumbing RezRestoreToWorld.
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2016-03-09 16:06 <djphil> Melanie_ : Trying to compile OpenSim Currency (for 0.9) with master (under windows seven) and i get a lot of red and yellow alerts. and message windows DirectX errors
2016-03-09 16:06 <djphil> Here is: http://pastebin.com/HFLxHayZ
2016-03-09 16:09 <Melanie_> djphil: yes, the prebuild file still wasn't right
2016-03-09 16:09 <djphil> ok
2016-03-09 16:10 <djphil> but the dll isn't created
2016-03-09 16:10 <Melanie_> sorry, i didn't see that error under linux
2016-03-09 16:10 <djphil> hehe
2016-03-09 16:10 <Melanie_> it's something only windows complains about
2016-03-09 16:10 <djphil> can you provide a dll directly ?
2016-03-09 16:10 <Melanie_> no
2016-03-09 16:10 <Melanie_> but i'm going to push a corrected prebuild.xml file in a minute
2016-03-09 16:11 <djphil> oki
2016-03-09 16:11 <Melanie_> pushed
2016-03-09 16:11 <djphil> wow!
2016-03-09 16:12 <velusunivers-sys> Melanie_, did you end up doing the reztoworld problem?
2016-03-09 16:12 <Melanie_> velusunivers-sys: plumbed the "hard part" for p;ugh to try his luck on
2016-03-09 16:13 <velusunivers-sys> ok 
2016-03-09 16:13 <velusunivers-sys> i would love to read the files to see whats into it, where about are the files?
2016-03-09 16:15 <Melanie_> pushed to master
2016-03-09 16:15 <Melanie_> just use viewgit on my commit
2016-03-09 16:16 <velusunivers-sys> i have just done now
2016-03-09 16:16 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: If you want to have a go at the reztoworld thing go right ahead. I'm dealing with an issue unrelated to OS code.
2016-03-09 16:17 <Melanie_> there is such a thing?
2016-03-09 16:17 <Plugh> :)
2016-03-09 16:17 <velusunivers-sys> it is way beyoned my capabilities so i wont even try to lol but i am just curiouse how it would be done 
2016-03-09 16:18 <Melanie_> the code i wrote so far brings the viewer message into an event on the client interface
2016-03-09 16:18 <Melanie_> the inventoryaccessmodule should probably snag that, or maybe the scene
2016-03-09 16:18 <Melanie_> because the rez stuff is in scene
2016-03-09 16:19 <Melanie_> should really be broken out into a rezzing module
2016-03-09 16:21 <Plugh> Oh, no. Melanie seems to be hinting at more code cleanup that can be done. ;)
2016-03-09 16:21 <djphil> Melanie_ : i get two other errors and dll not compile
2016-03-09 16:21 <djphil> here : http://pastebin.com/ej9r5Fqq
2016-03-09 16:22 <djphil> and here http://pastebin.com/wC4uKF1s
2016-03-09 16:25 <Melanie_> pushed
2016-03-09 16:25 <djphil> tank's
2016-03-09 16:26 <osmantis> Bug #7841:04 Add support for "Restore In World" option seen in viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7841 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-09 16:28 <Plugh> Finally finished filing the mantis about the restore in world issue.
2016-03-09 16:31 <djphil> Melanie_ : some other errors here : http://pastebin.com/Rw9b5wQm
2016-03-09 16:31 <djphil> and i can't see the dll in bin
2016-03-09 16:33 <Plugh> I hate that type of error message
2016-03-09 16:34 <djphil> Sure, me too
2016-03-09 16:36 <Plugh> I have a bit of an idea what to do when running in to it but I try and stay away from dealing with those messages. 
2016-03-09 16:36 <Plugh> :)
2016-03-09 16:36 <velusunivers-sys> what is the message in english
2016-03-09 16:36 <Melanie_> djphil: please try again
2016-03-09 16:36 <djphil> kk
2016-03-09 16:36 <Melanie_> velusunivers-sys: it's about symbols and namespaces not being found
2016-03-09 16:36 <velusunivers-sys> ouch
2016-03-09 16:37 <Melanie_> i read enough french to handle that part :)
2016-03-09 16:37 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-03-09 16:37 <Plugh> Possibly a missing Reference in the prebuild file?
2016-03-09 16:38 <velusunivers-sys> that is what i was just thinking
2016-03-09 16:38 <Plugh> I can't help test the build as I'm also on Linux.
2016-03-09 16:39 <velusunivers-sys> i cant on this system as well my pc is slow enough
2016-03-09 16:44 <djphil> Melanie_ : Others errors and no dll : http://pastebin.com/vzHjpHm0
2016-03-09 16:48 <Melanie_> i pushed another one but i have to say i'm out of ideas
2016-03-09 16:48 <Melanie_> someone with windows needs to step in
2016-03-09 16:48 <djphil> i have try to compile Birds module and i get Birds dll
2016-03-09 16:48 <Melanie_> point is, i don't even know how to build opensim on windows
2016-03-09 16:48 <Melanie_> i never used windows for that
2016-03-09 16:49 <Melanie_> well, the birds module is for the birds lol
2016-03-09 16:50 <velusunivers-sys>  you need a bees module then you can teach people about the birds and the bees lol
2016-03-09 16:50 <velusunivers-sys> sorry had to be said
2016-03-09 16:50 <Melanie_> :P
2016-03-09 16:50 <Melanie_> well, europe needs a bees module indeed
2016-03-09 16:50 <velusunivers-sys> true and the uk needs a anti cameron module 
2016-03-09 16:50 <Melanie_> a decade ago, european beekeepers imported bees from the US because they had higher yield
2016-03-09 16:51 <djphil> Again this error Mel : http://pastebin.com/zCRfHqg4
2016-03-09 16:51 <Melanie_> the us bees soon wiped out the indigenous ones
2016-03-09 16:51 <velusunivers-sys> yeah i know that
2016-03-09 16:51 <velusunivers-sys> yep
2016-03-09 16:51 <Melanie_> now the us bees are dying from illnesses they hav no defense against
2016-03-09 16:51 <Melanie_> and europe faces a decade without bees
2016-03-09 16:51 <velusunivers-sys> yep
2016-03-09 16:51 <velusunivers-sys> though i am alergic to bees i dont mind them
2016-03-09 16:52 <djphil> Ha ! i see OpenCurrency.Modules.pdb now
2016-03-09 16:52 <djphil> and the dll tooo !
2016-03-09 16:52 <velusunivers-sys> .pdb?
2016-03-09 16:52 <djphil> Mmmm, i will try it inword now
2016-03-09 16:52 <velusunivers-sys> yay well done djphil 
2016-03-09 16:52 <Melanie_> program database
2016-03-09 16:52 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-09 16:52 <Melanie_> debug info
2016-03-09 16:53 <velusunivers-sys> kk
2016-03-09 16:53 <Melanie_> as for cameron, the alternatives are far worse
2016-03-09 16:53 <Melanie_> corbyn wants his fantasy marxist state
2016-03-09 16:53 <Melanie_> and no one knows what the lib dems want
2016-03-09 16:54 <velusunivers-sys> hmmmm the alternatives voted against making the disabled poor
2016-03-09 16:54 <velusunivers-sys> im disabled and so is my mum
2016-03-09 16:54 <Melanie_> i don't agree with all of osborne's cuts
2016-03-09 16:54 <Melanie_> especially in that area
2016-03-09 16:54 <Melanie_> should leave well enough alone
2016-03-09 16:54 <Melanie_> you don't choose to be disabled
2016-03-09 16:55 <velusunivers-sys> nope we dont 
2016-03-09 16:55 <Melanie_> but i do believe in cuts to the shirkers
2016-03-09 16:55 <velusunivers-sys> well some do but thats something different
2016-03-09 16:55 <velusunivers-sys> yep me too
2016-03-09 16:55 <Melanie_> able bodies persons not cauht up in caring for children or relatives
2016-03-09 16:55 <Melanie_> who just skive off and milk the welfare state
2016-03-09 16:55 <velusunivers-sys> i know 
2016-03-09 16:55 <Melanie_> they need to be cut down to nothing
2016-03-09 16:55 <velusunivers-sys> yep they do but then we need to curb immigration 
2016-03-09 16:56 <Melanie_> which is why i'm pro brexit
2016-03-09 16:57 <velusunivers-sys> not being racist or somehting but there is a lot of imigrents commming over here and taking our jobs for a lower wage so then people who do want to work cant get a job. i have a mate who has a degree in computers and programming, he applied for a job and didnt get it but some imigrent did because the imigrent would of cost a quater of the wage, when he tried for other lower skilled jobs its either he is over qualified or his wa
2016-03-09 16:57 <velusunivers-sys> ge requirements is to high (which is at minimum wage)
2016-03-09 16:58 <Melanie_> minimu-schminimum. the UK is a rich country, it's businesses can afford to pay a living wage. osborne didn't go far enough
2016-03-09 16:59 <Melanie_> living wage now, not in 2020
2016-03-09 16:59 <velusunivers-sys> i know ther is a minimum wage atm but its still low
2016-03-09 16:59 <Melanie_> but of course in 2020 people go to the polls again, so the tories need to look their best
2016-03-09 16:59 <Melanie_> put money into people's pockets and not having taken any out of them for a year
2016-03-09 16:59 <Melanie_> is the recipe for reelection
2016-03-09 16:59 <Plugh> Melanie_: I used to have a batch file saved with the command used to compile OS under Windows but I'm not sure if I still have that around.
2016-03-09 17:00 <Melanie_> velusunivers-sys: there is also a living wage
2016-03-09 17:00 <velusunivers-sys> yep
2016-03-09 17:00 <Melanie_> here's the deal
2016-03-09 17:00 <Melanie_> if they make companies pay the living wage for every job no matter how menial
2016-03-09 17:01 <Melanie_> then a lot of people would get off in-work benefits
2016-03-09 17:01 <Melanie_> the money saved there could be used to cut corporation tax
2016-03-09 17:01 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: If a company is hiring people below minimum wage I would think they could be reported.
2016-03-09 17:01 <velusunivers-sys> i want to come off benefits and want to start my own business btu i cant with the little money i get and whats worse is they are starting to take more and more off me each week im now down to reciving in my hand about £50 pper week
2016-03-09 17:01 <Melanie_> making it more likely that the companies will actually choose to pay their corporation tax in the uk and not pull a google
2016-03-09 17:02 <velusunivers-sys> yeah they can but they get round it with 0 hours contracts and also commision contracts
2016-03-09 17:02 <Melanie_> so making the living wage mandatory and dropping corporation tax would probably increase the revenue of the exchequer
2016-03-09 17:02 <Melanie_> 0 hours needs to go away
2016-03-09 17:02 <velusunivers-sys> i know it would but i cant do a thing about it unless i get into parliment but im nto educated enoug
2016-03-09 17:03 <velusunivers-sys> i know it does and also the commission based contracts too
2016-03-09 17:03 <Melanie_> commission has always been a tool in the box
2016-03-09 17:03 <Melanie_> there is nothing wrong with it in principle
2016-03-09 17:03 <Melanie_> because it means you earn what you bring in
2016-03-09 17:04 <Melanie_> the wrongness comes into it when it becomes impossible for even the most diligent worker to reach the living wage
2016-03-09 17:04 <velusunivers-sys> in principle but if you have an english man asking for the minimum wage for a job and a imigrant asking for a commission based job and in the long run the commision based one pays less then the english man cant get the job and has no option but benifits
2016-03-09 17:05 <Melanie_> the point here is, no one should be allowed to be employed below minimum wage
2016-03-09 17:05 <Melanie_> if that were enforced, people could not undercut
2016-03-09 17:05 <Plugh> ah, that was it. "msbuild opensim.sln"
2016-03-09 17:06 <Melanie_> i'm pulling it under windows now
2016-03-09 17:06 <Melanie_> on a VM
2016-03-09 17:07 <velusunivers-sys> i think djphil has it working now
2016-03-09 17:07 <Plugh> I have a windows VM but not for building code.
2016-03-09 17:09 <velusunivers-sys> i have windows on my system and linux but these days im on windows more due to some work im doing
2016-03-09 17:09 <Plugh> The Windows side of my machine would no longer boot after my hardware was upgraded.
2016-03-09 17:09 <velusunivers-sys> ouch
2016-03-09 17:10 <Plugh> That's ok. I spend most of my time using Linux.
2016-03-09 17:10 <velusunivers-sys> yeah i will hopefully be going back to linux shortly
2016-03-09 17:10 <Plugh> After a while of not having Windows I set up a VM so I could run my 3D modelling program.
2016-03-09 17:11 <velusunivers-sys> which one?
2016-03-09 17:11 <Plugh> Rhinoceros 3D
2016-03-09 17:11 <velusunivers-sys> and which windows do you use?
2016-03-09 17:11 <Plugh> In the VM I have Windows XP Pro.
2016-03-09 17:11 <velusunivers-sys> ouch thats old 
2016-03-09 17:11 <Plugh> The Windows partition only has Windows XP.
2016-03-09 17:12 <velusunivers-sys> ouch no wonder it wont work lol
2016-03-09 17:12 <Plugh> The program is a bit old but XP is good enough to run the modelling program.
2016-03-09 17:12 <velusunivers-sys> true true
2016-03-09 17:12 <Plugh> No, Windows doesn't like it when you swap out some hardware underneath it.
2016-03-09 17:13 <velusunivers-sys> windows dont mind but xp dont like it
2016-03-09 17:13 <Plugh> The only way to "fix it" is a reinstall of Windows. It is a known issue.
2016-03-09 17:15 <Plugh> I've been looking at the info on how to set up virtualbox so I can run a VM using the Windows XP partition. Since the hardware was swapped out I'm not sure if I could make it work or not. 
2016-03-09 17:17 <Plugh> Its a lot more convenient have a VM of Windows. When I need to work on a 3D model I just fire up vbox. No need to reboot my machine. When i had to reboot to WIndows it was so disruptive.
2016-03-09 17:20 <JeffKelley> virtualbox is a great way to have all the os'es/distros you want at your fingertips without rebooting, I have Win+Mac+a gazillion of Linuxes
2016-03-09 17:21 <velusunivers-sys> nice nice JeffKelley i do have a vm on my system but my lappy woont handle them and my pc is currently getting a upgrade
2016-03-09 17:35 <Melanie_> djphil: i have it building under windows vs2015 professional now
2016-03-09 17:35 <djphil> ok
2016-03-09 17:35 <Melanie_> so it should be all good
2016-03-09 17:35 <djphil> i'm a little tired today, i will continue tomorow
2016-03-09 17:36 <djphil> tank's for all
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2016-03-10 04:52 <zadark> Anyone observed Opensim lock up during debugging with Visual Studio  2012-2015 , are you running 32 or 64 bit ?? thks
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2016-03-10 12:42 <djphil_> Hello Melanie_
2016-03-10 12:42 <djphil_> Today less tired, i recompiled your money last module version and compiled correctly.
2016-03-10 12:43 <djphil_> Then i start OpenSim but I do not see the load module.
2016-03-10 13:55 <Sarkot> Hello, can anyone recommend a group service easy to set up? I tried XmlRpcGroups but couldnt make it work
2016-03-10 14:00 <djphil__> you probably configuration error, the xmlrpc groups working properly
2016-03-10 14:01 <AliciaRaven> Sarkot, why not use the built in groups module?
2016-03-10 14:15 <Sarkot> @AliciaRaven i tried but it doesnt let me create a group. When i try it asks if the group is going to contain adult material, then it informs the cost of creating group is 0L$, but it doesnt create the group :S
2016-03-10 14:25 <Sarkot> while i am here, i would like to ask if there is any documentation about opensim at all besides the wiki page, which is fairly outdated and incomplete
2016-03-10 14:32 <ssm2017> Sarkot i am not aware of another doc. if you find outdated pages and know the answer, feel free to register on the wiki and update the page
2016-03-10 14:32 <ssm2017> about your group issue, check your GridCommon.ini
2016-03-10 14:32 <ssm2017> or OpenSim.ini
2016-03-10 14:32 <ssm2017> the [Groups] section
2016-03-10 14:38 <MuriloFrade> these configurations for Groups worked fine for me : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/V2_Groups
2016-03-10 14:49 <Sarkot> thanks murilo, i have tried that and now it lets me create groups.
2016-03-10 15:03 <Sarkot> group service seems to be working fine now, thanks again Murilo
2016-03-10 15:27 <Sarkot> when u right click on your avatar, there is a display of the groups u are in. in the right hand side there is an option called "activate" which makes the group name to change and appear written in cursive. what is this "activate" button for eaxctly?
2016-03-10 15:31 <Sarkot> ok, i think its just for showing if u are the owner/member of a group
2016-03-10 15:32 <AliciaRaven> Sarkot, you can be in many groups, but only have one active at a time, the active group is shown abobe your avatar name and is used for any group permision tests
2016-03-10 15:37 <Sarkot> u mean that for permissions testing in any group i must activate it first?
2016-03-10 15:38 <AliciaRaven> depends, on the permision
2016-03-10 15:38 <AliciaRaven> when u rez an object it will be set to the group u have active, most others will test all your groups, entering group owned land etc
2016-03-10 15:41 <Sarkot> yeah, i guess i will have to set this up really carefully so people cant touch anything if its not their own or from the group they belong to.
2016-03-10 15:42 <AliciaRaven> you would have to deed the object to the group for group members to change it
2016-03-10 15:42 <AliciaRaven> just having it set to the group doesnt mean they can change it
2016-03-10 15:43 <Sarkot> yes that too, u have to tick the option when u rez the object. is that what u mean? thanks for answering by the way
2016-03-10 15:43 <AliciaRaven> yep
2016-03-10 15:49 <Sarkot> nice. ok last question and then i will start tweaking all this. how can i create parcels inside a region? i am on my own grid on a sandbox region for testing all this stuff
2016-03-10 15:50 <AliciaRaven> right click the ground, select edit terrain and choose select land tool
2016-03-10 15:51 <AliciaRaven> when an area is selected the button appears on the land edit window to divide or join parcels
2016-03-10 15:57 <Sarkot> mm... this is odd i have only 2 avatars created yet region''s dbs ownership is assigned to an unkwnown avatar which uuid is actually on my other machine's db which is the live one (this one is the one for testing stuff)
2016-03-10 15:57 <Sarkot> region's ownership*
2016-03-10 16:49 <AliciaRaven> could be two regions with the same id causing a clash with the view cache
2016-03-10 16:57 <Sarkot> could have been but all regions have different id, cross server too. is there someplace i can assign ownership? sorry to ask so many questions but  cant find it
2016-03-10 17:02 <AliciaRaven> region ownership is set to the estate owner, there is a command but im not sure what it is
2016-03-10 17:03 <AliciaRaven> if u type help estates it will list the commands available
2016-03-10 17:25 <Sarkot> ive changed estate ownership to an avatar that is actually created on my database. console says it is sucessfully the new estate owner yet in the db the owner uuid didnt change. in addition to that everytime i shutdown the opensim.exe process i see a warning saying that "Deregister from grid failed for region"
2016-03-10 17:26 <Sarkot> i feel these two issues are tied but i dont get why is this happening :/
2016-03-10 17:40 <Melanie_> sometimes it can happen that you change parameters in the datebase that causes the grid server to no longer recognize the region
2016-03-10 17:40 <Melanie_> that would cause the error you're seeing
2016-03-10 17:40 <Melanie_> to solve, bring the region down and then manually delete the record for that region from the Regions table
2016-03-10 17:41 <Melanie_> then start the region and it will create the correct record
2016-03-10 17:48 <djphil__> Melanie_ Hi, i recompiled your money last module version and compiled Correctly. Then i start OpenSim purpose I do not see the load module.
2016-03-10 18:17 <MuriloFrade> Recently I'm having a lot of problems on my server. Some regions disappear and I can't connect them again. Often this happen when we have many users online. If I try to login in this region the viewer says "waiting for handshake..."  forever but if I login in an adjacent region I can see just the sea where is suposed to be my region. Someone already had this problem before? 
2016-03-10 18:23 <Plugh> djphil__: Do you see the module DLL in the bin directory of the source tree?
2016-03-10 18:23 <djphil__> yes
2016-03-10 18:23 <djphil__> it compile fine
2016-03-10 18:24 <Plugh> Was there any red text on screen when you started an instance that you have set up to use the money module?
2016-03-10 18:24 <djphil__> no
2016-03-10 18:25 <djphil__> it seam the module don't load on startup
2016-03-10 18:25 <djphil__> and i see any money database
2016-03-10 18:26 <Plugh> djphil__: Whether you did or didn't see red text I suggest you open the log file and look for references to the money module. Most modules will say something when they are called to be initialized.
2016-03-10 18:26 <djphil__> you have also tested this module ?
2016-03-10 18:26 <Plugh> No. I use a custom money module.
2016-03-10 18:26 <Plugh> djphil__: Which version of OpenSim are you using?
2016-03-10 18:26 <djphil__> last one
2016-03-10 18:27 <Plugh> Check that the version of the money module you are trying to use is for the version of OpenSim you are using.
2016-03-10 18:27 <djphil__> any "CURRENCY" on my log
2016-03-10 18:27 <djphil__> the module don't load and don't provide any information or message on console
2016-03-10 18:28 <djphil__> i use the last money module for os v0.9
2016-03-10 18:29 <djphil__> Mel update it yesterday to make it compile proprely under windows
2016-03-10 18:29 <Plugh> Are you using the master (aka. 0.9) version of OpenSim or are you using the last released version which is 0.8.2.1? If you are using 0.8.2.1 you need to get a slightly older version of the module.
2016-03-10 18:29 <djphil__> the master from neb github
2016-03-10 18:32 <Plugh> I don't know which version of OS you have. I get OpenSim from the main repository at opensimulator.org
2016-03-10 18:33 <djphil__> this one
2016-03-10 18:33 <djphil__> https://github.com/nebadon2025/opensimulator
2016-03-10 18:33 <djphil__> i donwload it yesterday
2016-03-10 18:34 <djphil__> to try the module :)
2016-03-10 18:35 <Plugh> ok, that is a mirror of the official repository of OpenSimulator and it is the current development version.
2016-03-10 18:36 <djphil__> yep, is master
2016-03-10 18:39 <Plugh> Just an FYI, the main code repository for Open Simulator is git://opensimulator.org/git/opensim
2016-03-10 18:40 <djphil__> yes too from here http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=shortlog&p=opensim
2016-03-10 18:41 <Plugh> Where did you get the currency module? I can have a look at the source files and see what it does on startup.
2016-03-10 18:41 <djphil__> http://forge.opensimulator.org/melanie/OpenCurrency
2016-03-10 18:42 <djphil__> i search some information about install here : http://forge.opensimulator.org/melanie/OpenCurrency/wiki
2016-03-10 18:42 <djphil__> but nothink ...
2016-03-10 18:53 <Plugh> The directory path is a little non-standard. I would have expected OpenCurrency/Modules/OpenCurrency.
2016-03-10 18:54 <Plugh> ok, it is as I suspected. The module hasn't been fully updated for use in dev master.
2016-03-10 18:54 <djphil__> :s
2016-03-10 18:55 <Plugh> There are supposed to be four assembly statements at the top of the file after the "using" statements. There are only two.
2016-03-10 18:56 <djphil__> Hmm
2016-03-10 19:04 <Plugh> The Extension line also needs to be altered slightly.
2016-03-10 19:05 <djphil__> ok
2016-03-10 19:11 <Plugh> djphil__: Try the following patch file -> http://pastebin.com/yrrEv8Z6
2016-03-10 19:12 <Plugh> Save that text to a file and apply it to your copy of OpenCurrency.
2016-03-10 19:12 <djphil__> how ?
2016-03-10 19:23 <djphil__> ha ! i see it on starup plugin list now !
2016-03-10 19:34 <djphil__> It's a little bit better but don't work. The money remain to 0$ and i don't see any database money entry
2016-03-10 19:34 <djphil__> i see only that on console : OpenSim.Framework.PluginLoader`1 [PLUGINS]: Plugin Loaded: OpenCurrency
2016-03-10 19:34 <djphil__> now it load !
2016-03-10 19:37 <djphil__> i don't see any way to create a "master banker" to distribute money to others users
2016-03-10 19:42 <Plugh> Did you update the ini with the required settings to allow use of the module?
2016-03-10 19:42 <djphil__> no
2016-03-10 19:42 <djphil__> i have any information about that
2016-03-10 19:42 <djphil__> 0 documentation
2016-03-10 19:42 <Plugh> Read the source, Luke. ;)
2016-03-10 19:43 <Plugh> You need to tell OS what module is used for the currency system and there are other things you need to set..
2016-03-10 19:44 <Plugh> The Initialise() and ReadConfigAndPopulate() sections are what you need to look at.
2016-03-10 19:45 <djphil__> i have just do that : SellEnabled = true
2016-03-10 19:45 <Plugh> From what I see you need to set 'economymodule' and 'EconomyBaseAccount' in [Startup] 
2016-03-10 19:46 <Plugh> You will need an entry in the UserAccount that will be act as the banker. The UUID of that avatar is the value for EconomyBaseAccount.
2016-03-10 19:47 <djphil__> ok but I do not know understand this when I read the sources
2016-03-10 19:48 <djphil__> read the sources and write source is for dev's
2016-03-10 19:48 <Plugh> The 'economymodule' setting needs to be set to "OpenCurrency".
2016-03-10 19:49 <djphil__> like this: economymodule = OpenCurre
2016-03-10 19:49 <djphil__> or this : EconomyModule = OpenCurre
2016-03-10 19:49 <djphil__> oops wrong copy/paste
2016-03-10 19:49 <djphil__> OpenCurrency*
2016-03-10 19:50 <Plugh> economymodule (all lower case)
2016-03-10 19:50 <djphil__> ok
2016-03-10 19:51 <djphil__> and how to set the master banker ?
2016-03-10 19:51 <djphil__> in the same section ?
2016-03-10 19:52 <Plugh> Hm... I also just noticed you may also need an entry for "CurrencyServer". Not sure what that needs to be  yet.
2016-03-10 19:52 <Plugh> Those first two things I mentioned are both in [Startup] section.
2016-03-10 19:52 <djphil__> Hmmm :s
2016-03-10 19:53 <Plugh> From what I see in the source file the setting for CurrencyServer needs to be a URL to a PHP file that will be a helper for some of the money transactions.
2016-03-10 19:54 <djphil__> yes maybee the helper.php or somethink ...
2016-03-10 19:54 <djphil__> i really don't know !
2016-03-10 19:54 <djphil__> It would be nice if Melanie provide minimal information to properly install its money module.
2016-03-10 19:54 <djphil__> We are a little worn out
2016-03-10 19:55 <Plugh> bbiab
2016-03-10 19:55 <djphil__> what ?
2016-03-10 19:55 <djphil__> ^^
2016-03-10 20:17 <Plugh> Be Back In A Bit
2016-03-10 20:17 <Plugh> and I'm back.
2016-03-10 20:17 <djphil__> kk
2016-03-10 21:31 <Melanie_> djphil__: I don't have the time right ow but it's on my list
2016-03-10 21:31 <Melanie_> to collect the php files and add them to the repo
2016-03-10 21:48 <djphil__> ha ok
2016-03-10 21:51 <djphil__> If I had known this earlier, I would have waited.
2016-03-10 21:52 <djphil__> Thank you Plugh for your help and dedication ;)
2016-03-10 21:55 <Melanie_> that patch has expired
2016-03-10 21:55 <Melanie_> but i guess it was for the version numbers?
2016-03-10 21:55 <djphil__> i have it in a txt
2016-03-10 21:55 <djphil__> mom
2016-03-10 21:56 <djphil__> http://pastebin.com/JzxAAwSd expire in 10'
2016-03-10 21:57 <Plugh> Melanie_: It updated the assembly statements and the Extension line for the module.
2016-03-10 21:58 <Plugh> Melanie_: There is something odd about the line endings in that .cs file. I think they are in DOS format.
2016-03-10 22:28 <Plugh> Melanie_: http://pastebin.com/gU4xTRzH which will expire in 1 week this time. Just in case you can't look at it today. :)
2016-03-10 22:44 <Melanie_> Plugh: pretty much what I figured
2016-03-10 22:45 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-03-10 22:45 <Melanie_> as I said when this was changed, I don't like the "lock step" compile system this creates, where every binary works only with the exact version of opensim it's built with
2016-03-10 22:45 <Plugh> Having updated some plugins some time ago I remembered about those changes
2016-03-10 22:49 <Melanie_> patch applied
2016-03-10 22:50 <Melanie_> thanks
2016-03-10 22:59 <Plugh> yw
2016-03-10 22:59 <Plugh> djphil__: yw. Glad it worked out for you.
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2016-03-11 17:18 <MuriloFrade> Recently I'm having a lot of problems in my server. Some regions disappear and I can't connect them again. Often this happen when we have many users online. If I try to login in this region the viewer says "waiting for handshake..."  forever but if I login in an adjacent region I can see just the sea where is suposed to be my region. Someone already had this problem before? 
2016-03-11 17:57 <Plugh> MuriloFrade: Check the log file for the region giving you trouble to see if there is anything in it that is out of the ordinary.
2016-03-11 17:57 <Plugh> bbl. lunch is ready.
2016-03-11 18:22 <MuriloFrade> <Plugh> I'll check, thanks
2016-03-11 18:57 <MuriloFrade> <Plugh> I found this exception in Opensim log file at the time that my region disappeared:
2016-03-11 18:58 <MuriloFrade> 2016-03-10 19:39:15,183 ERROR (387) - OpenMetaverse.OpenSimUDPBase [UDPBASE]: Error processing UDP end receive 3920423, socket error code 10052.  Exception  
2016-03-11 18:58 <MuriloFrade> System.Net.Sockets.SocketException (0x80004005): The connection has been broken due to keep-alive activity detecting a failure while the operation was in progress
2016-03-11 18:58 <MuriloFrade>    at System.Net.Sockets.Socket.EndReceiveFrom(IAsyncResult asyncResult, EndPoint& endPoint)
2016-03-11 18:58 <MuriloFrade>    at OpenMetaverse.OpenSimUDPBase.AsyncEndReceive(IAsyncResult iar)
2016-03-11 20:27 <MuriloFrade>  <Plugh> Thank you very much for the help
2016-03-11 20:28 <MuriloFrade> I found this exception in Opensim log file at the time that my region disappeared:
2016-03-11 20:28 <MuriloFrade> 2016-03-10 19:39:15,183 ERROR (387) - OpenMetaverse.OpenSimUDPBase [UDPBASE]: Error processing UDP end receive 3920423, socket error code 10052.  Exception  
2016-03-11 20:28 <MuriloFrade> System.Net.Sockets.SocketException (0x80004005): The connection has been broken due to keep-alive activity detecting a failure while the operation was in progress
2016-03-11 20:28 <MuriloFrade>    at System.Net.Sockets.Socket.EndReceiveFrom(IAsyncResult asyncResult, EndPoint& endPoint)
2016-03-11 20:28 <MuriloFrade>    at OpenMetaverse.OpenSimUDPBase.AsyncEndReceive(IAsyncResult iar)
2016-03-11 21:38 <Plugh> MuriloFrade: I'm not sure what that is telling you but something is wrong. Any other instance using the same port number as the one giving you the problem?
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2016-03-12 14:58 <smxy> Maybe I *will* switch Sanctuary back to Dev. Checking a bunch of gate to other grids, I find quite a few are running it, and I've not had any issues TPing in or out ...
2016-03-12 14:58 <smxy> gates*
2016-03-12 15:04 <smxy> Does 0.8.2.1 deny incoming TPs from 0.7.6? I got to a grid running that old code, but can't get back. I keep getting the old "your simulator is old - consider upgrading it" message.
2016-03-12 15:59 <JeffKelley> we need a crawler to probe the hypergrid
2016-03-12 16:32 <JeffKelley> how nice it would be if we could grep google for http://.+:8002
2016-03-12 16:34 <smxy> Which would find my test grid, but not Sanctuary.
2016-03-12 16:34 <smxy> So I suspect yu'd miss a lot.
2016-03-12 16:34 <smxy> you'd
2016-03-12 16:36 <JeffKelley> there are many ways to feed a crawler
2016-03-12 16:36 <JeffKelley> look at your GridUser table
2016-03-12 16:53 <smxy> Good point.
2016-03-12 19:23 <Melanie_T> smxy: there are various things that have been done evenin the 0.8 series to exclude 0.7 versions
2016-03-12 19:23 <Melanie_T> 0.7 is dead
2016-03-13 00:41 <smxy> Thanks, Melanie_T. I knew 0.9 wouldn't support it - just wasn't sure of 0.8.2.1. I shan't worry about that grid then.
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2016-03-14 09:47 <JeffKelley> if HTTP_BODY MAXLENGTH is to be implemented (MANTIS 7839), in which ini section should go the parameter? [Network], [Xengine], other?
2016-03-14 10:46 <osmantis> Bug #7839:04 [PROPOSAL] for HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7839 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-03-14 15:12 <osmantis> Bug #7839:04 [PROPOSAL] for HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7839 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-03-14 15:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #4608 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-03-14 15:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4608: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4608/
2016-03-14 15:25 <osjenkins> * melanie: Implement parameterization of HTTP_BODY_MAXLENGTH maximum as proposed in Mantis 7839.
2016-03-14 15:25 <osjenkins> * melanie: Expand on the comment on the new HTTP limit feature.
2016-03-14 20:35 <l3n>  Hi, I'm having issues with llHTTPRequest with Sloodle (Moodle) and the latest updates. I'm using diva-r08210.zip (OpenSim 0.8.2.1) and tried applying 'AllowllHTTPRequestIn = true' to OpenSim.ini AND DivaPreferences.ini (no HG*.ini files) following the readme but am still getting 'llHTTPRequest() is disallowed from making requests to private service endpoints.' Any suggestions? Thank you.
2016-03-14 21:44 <JeffKelley> how can I patch UrlModule.cs such as DoHTTPGruntWork (1810-1811) will slam Access-Control-Allow-Origin in the response? I tried requestData.headers.Add("access_control_allow_origin", "*") but that don't work
2016-03-14 21:50 <Melanie_T> l3n: there is a whitelist and blacklist for llHTTPRequest destinations. If not set, it defaults to disallowing private networks
2016-03-14 21:51 <Melanie_T> this was done to prevent users who you let log into your private sims hosted at home from spying on your local network
2016-03-14 21:51 <Melanie_T> you need to change these lists
2016-03-14 21:52 <Melanie_T> JeffKelley: If you read the module you will see a list of allowed headers. any not in it will be stripped from the final outbound request
2016-03-14 21:57 <JeffKelley> I see HttpRequestHandler being passed Hashtable request containing a "headers" member and adding each of them
2016-03-14 22:01 <JeffKelley> so I added mine after the loop
2016-03-14 22:03 <JeffKelley> a provision to add Access-Control-Allow-Origin is explicitely implemented in DoHTTPGruntWork
2016-03-14 22:04 <JeffKelley> and fires if responsedata.ContainsKey("access_control_allow_origin") (lower case)
2016-03-14 22:10 <JeffKelley> where can I find this list of allowed headers ?
2016-03-14 22:17 <Melanie_T> i'm not sure, it's been ages since i touched that code
2016-03-14 22:17 <Melanie_T> but as you know, LSL allows adding headers
2016-03-14 22:17 <Melanie_T> in order for people to not add headers that would allow phishing, hax, etc
2016-03-14 22:17 <Melanie_T> the headers passed from LSL are sanitized
2016-03-14 22:17 <JeffKelley> i can force Access-Control-Allow-Origin: * to all responses but you will probably disagree
2016-03-14 22:17 <Melanie_T> now, this is all about 0.9/master
2016-03-14 22:18 <Melanie_T> i don't know a thing about how it was in 0.8.2
2016-03-14 22:18 <Melanie_T> i wonder why you need to do xss
2016-03-14 22:18 <JeffKelley> CORS
2016-03-14 22:18 <Melanie_T> it's not a common scenario
2016-03-14 22:18 <JeffKelley> it's the key to all browser-LSL communication
2016-03-14 22:19 <Melanie_T> how so?
2016-03-14 22:19 <JeffKelley> the browser sends requests using Javascript or jQuery
2016-03-14 22:19 <Melanie_T> first of all, the LSL Http server is not meant to serve user-renderable pages
2016-03-14 22:19 <JeffKelley> that's not to rendre a page
2016-03-14 22:20 <Melanie_T> it's specifically intended to be used with a server that uses curl or similar to send terse messages from scripts
2016-03-14 22:20 <Melanie_T> the apache should then communciate with a user's browser if necessary
2016-03-14 22:21 <Melanie_T> to me it looks lke you want to load  a page
2016-03-14 22:21 <JeffKelley> if the response does not contains Access-Control-Allow-Origin, the browser discards the answer
2016-03-14 22:21 <Melanie_T> and then have elements from that page send messages to LSL
2016-03-14 22:21 <JeffKelley> no
2016-03-14 22:21 <JeffKelley> single question/response from jQuery
2016-03-14 22:21 <Melanie_T> but that is the point
2016-03-14 22:21 <Melanie_T> the broser should never talk to LSL
2016-03-14 22:22 <Melanie_T> the jquery request should call a script on the server the page is loaded from
2016-03-14 22:22 <Melanie_T> and that script should then use curl to call the LSL
2016-03-14 22:22 <JeffKelley> why the browser should never talk to LSL ?
2016-03-14 22:23 <Melanie_T> it's just not been designed with that in mind
2016-03-14 22:23 <JeffKelley> this talks to LSL without a proxy http://grid.pescadoo.net/sliders/
2016-03-14 22:23 <Melanie_T> just make a simple php wrapper for a curl call
2016-03-14 22:24 <JeffKelley> and this too : http://grid.pescadoo.net/sliders/talk.html
2016-03-14 22:25 <Melanie_T> all i can say is that it's not designed with that in mind
2016-03-14 22:25 <Melanie_T> and xss is certainly not a desired feature
2016-03-14 22:25 <Melanie_T> considering the fact that the c# http server isn't the most stable at the best of times
2016-03-14 22:25 <Melanie_T> you really _want_ a filter in front of it
2016-03-14 22:25 <JeffKelley> why then the code in DoHTTPGruntWork ?
2016-03-14 22:26 <Melanie_T> i never saw it and it may have been added without me knwoing of it
2016-03-14 22:26 <Melanie_T> i don't know if it works
2016-03-14 22:26 <JeffKelley>    // Cross-Origin Resource Sharing with simple requests
2016-03-14 22:26 <Melanie_T> or how
2016-03-14 22:26 <JeffKelley> line 1809
2016-03-14 22:26 <JeffKelley> it works
2016-03-14 22:26 <JeffKelley> if y short the test
2016-03-14 22:26 <Melanie_T> is this in master?
2016-03-14 22:27 <JeffKelley> yep
2016-03-14 22:27 <Melanie_T> i'll take a look later
2016-03-14 22:27 <Melanie_T> i'm on a laptop now, not the best thing to read code on
2016-03-14 22:34 <JeffKelley> running the patched BaseHttpServer,  http://grid.pescadoo.net/sliders/talk.html will now answer a request entered in the first text field
2016-03-14 22:38 <Melanie_T> as i said, i will look at the code later
2016-03-14 22:38 <Melanie_T> i still think letting a browser talk to LSL is a BadIdea(tm)
2016-03-14 22:38 <Melanie_T> it's better to hide the LSL http address behind a filtering proxy on the web server
2016-03-14 22:39 <Melanie_T> the C# http server is vulnerable to DOS attacks
2016-03-14 22:39 <Melanie_T> the URLs to LSL http channels should not be obtainable from a public web site's source code
2016-03-14 22:39 <Melanie_T> some crawler WILL find them
2016-03-14 22:40 <JeffKelley> and spam them ?
2016-03-14 22:40 <Melanie_T> scan them, in ways the c# server can't handle and may crash the sim
2016-03-14 22:40 <Melanie_T> later, DOS them to see if there are vulnerabilities
2016-03-14 22:40 <Melanie_T> like if it's maybe a hidden ftp or telnet that can be cracked
2016-03-14 22:41 <Melanie_T> there is a lot of scanning coming from china these days
2016-03-14 22:44 <JeffKelley> the kind of apps i'm doing won't probably be allowed outside the LAN
2016-03-14 22:46 <JeffKelley> or restricted networks, i don't want China to animate my NPC's
2016-03-14 22:58 <Melanie_T> using npcs to display the stats f china's probes
2016-03-14 22:58 <Melanie_T> interesting idea
2016-03-14 22:58 <Melanie_T> of*
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2016-03-15 01:22 <l3n>  Hi, I'm still having issues with llHTTPRequest with Sloodle (Moodle) and the latest updates. I'm using diva-r08210.zip (OpenSim 0.8.2.1) and tried applying 'AllowllHTTPRequestIn = true' to OpenSim.ini AND DivaPreferences.ini (no HG*.ini files) following the readme but am still getting 'llHTTPRequest() is disallowed from making requests to private service endpoints.' Any suggestions? Thank 
2016-03-15 01:22 <l3n> you.
2016-03-15 01:29 <ssm2017> l3n did you set an url to ExternalHostNameForLSL in OpenSim.ini ?
2016-03-15 01:31 <ssm2017> i can see this : "llHTTPRequest() is disallowed from making requests to private service endpoints. If you need to allow this, set AllowllHTTPRequestIn = true in the [Network] or individual [*Service] sections in Robust.ini/Robust.HG.ini."
2016-03-15 01:31 <l3n> sm2017, just checked and no but let me give it a try
2016-03-15 01:33 <ssm2017> im saying a mistake about ExternalHostNameForLSL because llHTTPRequest is requesting an external url from the simulator and ExternalHostNameForLSL is necessary when you try to contact the simulator from the outside
2016-03-15 01:33 <ssm2017> 
ACTION needs to go to sleep :)

2016-03-15 01:34 <l3n> ss2017, im booting  the servers now and am going to check. i thank you for your suggestions but you neednt stay up for me :)
2016-03-15 01:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #4609 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-03-15 01:39 <l3n> not sure bout the home networking whe im visiting and lack of hostname vs IP but changing ExternalHostNameForLSL to the LAN IP for this laptop didnt do it. more research required. but thanks again ssm2017 for giving me something to chew on. :D
2016-03-15 01:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4609: SUCCESS in 6 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4609/
2016-03-15 01:42 <osjenkins> melanie: Remove debug spam
2016-03-15 15:53 <Sarkot> hi people, how do you all make ur backups of opensim?
2016-03-15 15:54 <Sarkot> as of now i just copy the entire opensim folder and the database folder of mysql too
2016-03-15 15:54 <Sarkot> but i would like to set up some kind of scheduled task that performs oars regularly, can it be done?
2016-03-15 16:17 <smxy> Sarkot: I run my grid on Linux, within tmux windows, and have scripted all of my main grid admin functions with shell scripts that send opensim command via tmux scripting, including the nightly creation of OARs for all regions (using cron as the scheduler), so yes, it can be done. :)
2016-03-15 16:19 <Sarkot> hey smxy thanks for the answer. i have everythin on windows, both robust and opensim instances in 2 different machines. it can be done with this setup too, right?
2016-03-15 16:28 <JeffKelley> Sarkot : did you read your private messages ?
2016-03-15 16:40 <Sarkot> sorry just got back
2016-03-15 16:40 <Sarkot> thanks jeffkelly
2016-03-15 16:41 <AliciaRaven2> Sarkot, opensim has a autobackup module that will save oars on a timer
2016-03-15 16:41 <AliciaRaven2> if u look though the default ini file you will see alot of the settings that can be configured
2016-03-15 16:42 <Sarkot> which ini? opensim.ini?
2016-03-15 16:42 <AliciaRaven2> opensim.ini is the main one opensimdefaults.ini has a mostly complete list of every setting available
2016-03-15 16:43 <Sarkot> ok i will check it out, thanks AliciaRaven2
2016-03-15 16:43 <AliciaRaven2> as the wiki is a little out of date, i think reading the inis is a good way to see what can be configured
2016-03-15 16:45 <smxy> What seh said. :)
2016-03-15 16:45 <smxy> she*
2016-03-15 16:45 <Sarkot> ikr, wiki is really outdated mostly. i will read the ini files next time i have an issue
2016-03-15 16:59 <Sarkot> opensimdefaults.ini only has a single line "AutoBackupModuleEnabled = true" there is no other configuration apparently on opensim.ini
2016-03-15 17:00 <Sarkot> the wiki says i have to also set up some other stuff like AutoBackupInterval = integer etc.
2016-03-15 17:00 <Sarkot> its it straight forwar to add these lines or is there any tricky thing i need to know of?
2016-03-15 17:02 <AliciaRaven> you need to enable the module, set the interval and path to save oars to, and also enable the autobackup in the region ini to use it
2016-03-15 17:05 <AliciaRaven> http://opensimulator.org/pipermail/opensim-users/2015-February/014229.html
2016-03-15 17:05 <Sarkot> i just want it to back up all the regions, i will only have a handful so i dont think its really critical. there is a parameter called "AutoBackupKeepFilesForDays". this tells me that this backup features saves the oars with a date in the file name, right?
2016-03-15 17:05 <Sarkot> was reading that :D
2016-03-15 17:06 <AliciaRaven> the name format can be configured, i wrote the code for the keepfiles for days so i should know but it was awhile ago
2016-03-15 17:06 <AliciaRaven> i think it used filesystem data not file name to get the file created date
2016-03-15 17:08 <Sarkot> well, as long as i can store backups for some time and identify them easily in case of need, im good with that
2016-03-15 17:08 <AliciaRaven> if u set the keepfor days to 0 they will be kept until u delete them your self
2016-03-15 17:24 <Sarkot> nice to know, i will comment that in my ini just in case i need it anytime
2016-03-15 17:26 <Sarkot> if i set the backup integet to 720 it will perform backups every 12 hours. to activate the counter i need to run again the opensim.exe after configuring it, right?
2016-03-15 17:26 <AliciaRaven> restart yes
2016-03-15 17:28 <Sarkot> ok looks like the backup module loaded properly. time for trials now
2016-03-15 22:18 <Melanie_T> Sarkot: All these options are fine and well, but they do not scale
2016-03-15 22:19 <Melanie_T> For Avination, we have arrived at a custom backup solution which will mysqldump the data for the sims and combine that with saving the contents of the scripts directories for the sims into a custom archive format, which we then store
2016-03-15 22:19 <Melanie_T> there is absolutely no need to backup the binaries
2016-03-15 22:19 <Melanie_T> By using configuration options, you can set up OpenSim in such a way that it stores no data under bin/
2016-03-15 22:24 <JeffKelley> it would be a good move to separate /bin /etc and /var once for all
2016-03-15 22:36 <Melanie_T> JeffKelley: In principle yes, but that would mean having to "install" rather than just "unzip & run" for windows
2016-03-15 22:37 <Melanie_T> at least at the time these things were decided, it was seen as an advantage to have a single exe to run to handle everything and to be self contained in a directory
2016-03-15 22:37 <Melanie_T> i didn't agree but was overruled
2016-03-15 22:38 <JeffKelley> rootfolder/bin, rootfolder/etc, rootfolder/var ; that was the idea
2016-03-15 22:38 <Melanie_T> we can't expect windows user to grok that
2016-03-15 22:38 <Melanie_T> it's unixish
2016-03-15 22:38 <Melanie_T> or so it was said
2016-03-15 22:39 <JeffKelley> i'm sure even windows users would love to find OpenSim.exe without scrolling a hundred files
2016-03-15 22:40 <JeffKelley> s/OpenSim.exe/OpenSim.ini/
2016-03-15 22:41 <JeffKelley> also, ./config is largely underused ; that's the perfect place to put voice.ini, backup.ini, etc
2016-03-15 23:48 <Plugh> JeffKelley: Did you mean config-include?
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2016-03-16 00:02 <JeffKelley> Plugh : i mean 'config'
2016-03-16 00:03 <Plugh> Hm... I don't seem to have a config directory
2016-03-16 00:03 <JeffKelley> 2016-03-15 17:50:03,405 INFO  (1) - OpenSim.ConfigurationLoader [CONFIG]: Searching folder ./config for config ini files
2016-03-16 00:03 <JeffKelley> 2016-03-15 17:50:03,405 INFO  (1) - OpenSim.ConfigurationLoader [CONFIG]: Reading configuration file /home/jyb/sa9000-jeff/config/sa9000.ini
2016-03-16 00:04 <JeffKelley> it is searched if it exists
2016-03-16 00:04 <Plugh> I just did a find for a directory called config and didn't find one in any of my 080PF, 082PF, or master standalone setups.
2016-03-16 00:05 <JeffKelley> it does not belong to git
2016-03-16 00:05 <Plugh> My find was checking all of my OpenSimulator directories.
2016-03-16 00:06 <JeffKelley> you have to create it
2016-03-16 00:06 <Plugh> I have a config directory in my 082PF setup that is located under addon-modules/OpenSimBirds/config
2016-03-16 00:14 <JeffKelley> this is the default value for -inidirectory command line parameter http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OpenSim.exe_Command_Line_Options
2016-03-16 00:21 <Plugh> Jeff: If the user has to create that would explain part of why it is underutilized. :)
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2016-03-16 00:33 <JeffKelley> another explanation is that users don't read the documentation (but complain there is none)
2016-03-16 00:35 <Plugh> which also would require the docs to be up to date.
2016-03-16 00:37 <JeffKelley> which would require a large and motivated user/contributors base
2016-03-16 03:19 <osmantis> Bug #7842:04 One instance configured same as all my others crashes exactly 5 minutes to the second after it finishes loading. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7842 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-16 03:22 <osmantis> Bug #7842:04 One instance configured same as all my others crashes exactly 5 minutes to the second after it finishes loading. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7842 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-03-16 03:26 <osmantis> Bug #7842:04 One instance configured same as all my others crashes about an hour after it finishes loading. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7842 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-03-16 03:28 <osmantis> Bug #7842:04 One instance configured same as all my others crashes shortly after it finishes loading. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7842 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-03-16 11:08 <osmantis> Bug #7842:04 One instance configured same as all my others crashes shortly after it finishes loading. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7842 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-16 14:05 <JeffKelley> anyone using http://www.monodevelop.com/ ?
2016-03-16 15:13 <Sarkot> hey guys, is there anyway to edit the default "ruth" avatar? Like adding some clothes and shapes in the inventory so that each time you create an avatar via the command "create user" he has all that stuff at first login?
2016-03-16 15:15 <Sarkot> I would really like to be able to create some sort of avatar template more complete, specially that lets you change the avatar's gender, the default one is a pain in the ass and doesnt allow it
2016-03-16 15:18 <Plugh> That's usually been handled by the registration process you provide for the grid.
2016-03-16 15:21 <Sarkot> dont have one. i tried to integrate the diva module but couldnt make it work
2016-03-16 15:21 <Sarkot> anyway, if a given module is able to modify all that stuff, it has to be doing something that i can do manually, at least. right?
2016-03-16 15:23 <Plugh> Sarkot: What part of diva didn't work?
2016-03-16 15:23 <Plugh> I don't know a lot about the diva WiFi stuff but I have managed to install it and make it work.
2016-03-16 15:24 <Sarkot> i managed to install it and evne login the admin dashboard
2016-03-16 15:24 <Plugh> ok. Sounds like it is working.
2016-03-16 15:24 <Sarkot> but thats it. all the other options gave me a 404
2016-03-16 15:25 <Plugh> Oh, you are missing the HTML pages or didn't installed them in the right place.
2016-03-16 15:26 <Plugh> Let me log in to the machine where I set up WiFi and I'll check where I put the HTML pages.
2016-03-16 15:26 <Sarkot> yeah that is what i thought back then. but i searched through the files i downloaded and there was nothing else. so i just gave up
2016-03-16 15:26 <Sarkot> oh ok thats so nice of you, thanks
2016-03-16 15:27 <osmantis> Bug #7843:04 Missing references and an old project in Prebuild.xml 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7843 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-16 15:27 <osmantis> Bug #7843:04 Missing references and an old project in Prebuild.xml 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7843 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-03-16 15:27 <Plugh> Sarkot: I had downloaded diva-r25950.zip
2016-03-16 15:30 <Sarkot> i think i downloaded the last one.
2016-03-16 15:35 <Plugh> There is a READMEWIFI.txt file that details what you need to do. It says to copy the WiFiPages dir to a directory under Robust. I'm just checking where you tell WiFi where to find the pagse.
2016-03-16 15:38 <Sarkot> i read it, i also tried what other people did on youtube tutorials. nothing made it work
2016-03-16 15:42 <Plugh> Its like OpenSim. Once you've set it up once or twice it isn't that hard to do. Its doing it the first time that is the problem.
2016-03-16 15:43 <Plugh> I should have kept my own notes of what I did when I installed it. I had to fight with it a bit at first.
2016-03-16 15:43 <Plugh> I'm trying to find where WiFi is told the location for the html files.
2016-03-16 15:43 <Sarkot> thats exactly what i never could find
2016-03-16 15:43 <Sarkot> and the reason i gave up
2016-03-16 15:47 <Plugh> Have you changed the RegistryLocation and ConfigDirectory in the [Startup] section of Robust.ini to point to the directory containing the WiFi registry and configuration files?
2016-03-16 15:48 <Sarkot> honestly, i dont even remember, i tried diva like 1-2 months ago
2016-03-16 15:49 <Plugh> The set up is supposed to be simple if you follow the instructions provided by diva but I still found it wasn't that simple the firs ttime.
2016-03-16 15:49 <Sarkot> ikr
2016-03-16 15:50 <Sarkot> i wish they made this stuff more transparent
2016-03-16 15:50 <Plugh> I don't use it myself. I set it up for someone else so its been a while since I've looked at it.
2016-03-16 15:51 <Sarkot> i understand Plugh. i dont want to bother you anymore with this. i guess i will leave it for now and maybe will try it again in the future
2016-03-16 15:51 <Plugh> I have a directory containing Robust and that is where I created the addins-registry and addins-config directories used by WiFi
2016-03-16 15:52 <Plugh> Sarkot: First step is look at your Robust.ini and see if you still have in it -> [Startup]
2016-03-16 15:52 <Plugh>     RegistryLocation = "../addins-registry"
2016-03-16 15:52 <Plugh>     ConfigDirectory = "../addins-config"
2016-03-16 15:53 <Plugh> to have the WiFi registry and config in the same directory that contains Robust.
2016-03-16 15:53 <Sarkot> k let me check
2016-03-16 15:53 <Sarkot> those folders dont even exist
2016-03-16 15:55 <Plugh> Did you use different directories?
2016-03-16 15:56 <Sarkot> atm those 2 variables are empty
2016-03-16 15:58 <Plugh> Sarkot: You have read through https://raw.githubusercontent.com/diva/d2/master/Configs/READMEWIFI.txt?
2016-03-16 15:59 <Sarkot> yup, followed it thoroughly
2016-03-16 16:00 <Sarkot> brb
2016-03-16 16:16 <Sarkot> im back
2016-03-16 16:18 <Plugh> You have a WiFiPages directory in the directory containing your Robust binaries?
2016-03-16 16:24 <Plugh> Maybe Wifi is looking in the same dir for the WiFiPages dir as is used for the location of addins-config and addins-registry
2016-03-16 16:26 <Sarkot> i still have the wifipages directory, and its on root path, right next to bin
2016-03-16 16:33 <Plugh> Let's check a few things.
2016-03-16 16:34 <Plugh> You have copied the contents of the bin directory that was in the directory where you unzipped the diva zip file to the directory containing your Robust.exe file?
2016-03-16 16:35 <Sarkot> like OpenSim.Data.MySQL file and so on?
2016-03-16 16:36 <Plugh> Step 3 of the install says: Copy the entire WIFIDIR/WifiPages directory onto ROBUSTDIR. When  you're done, there should be a ROBUSTDIR/WifiPages directory, in parallel with ROBUSTDIR/bin.
2016-03-16 16:36 <Sarkot> wiat not that one
2016-03-16 16:36 <Sarkot> yeah, thats how i have it
2016-03-16 16:37 <Plugh> Since I copied the Robust bin directory to a separate place to run Robust that explains why I have the WiFiPages in the same directory as Robust.
2016-03-16 16:37 <Plugh> I have a directory called OS (actually OpenSimulator but I'm not going to keep typing that in full).
2016-03-16 16:38 <Plugh> Under the OS dir I have: addins-registry, addins-config, Robust, and WiFiPages
2016-03-16 16:38 <Sarkot> in my case i have a directory called OS too
2016-03-16 16:38 <Plugh> The Robust directory is just the contents of the bin directory from the Robust source tree (ie. the dir containing Robust.exe).
2016-03-16 16:39 <Sarkot> under that i have the bin folder, wifipages folder
2016-03-16 16:39 <Plugh> WiFiPages is the dir containing the contents of WiFiPages from the diva package.
2016-03-16 16:39 <Sarkot> but not the addins folders
2016-03-16 16:39 <Sarkot> yeah there is a lot of html files
2016-03-16 16:40 <Plugh> I wanted the addins folders outside of Robust as I may have multiple copies of Robust (different versions)
2016-03-16 16:42 <Plugh> My addins-config dir contains WiFi.ini from the diva package. The [Startup] section of Robust I showed you earlier. It has the references to those addins directories.
2016-03-16 16:43 <Plugh> You need to edit the WiFi.ini file to set a few things up for your grid. Once these things are in place Robust needs to be restarted.
2016-03-16 16:44 <Plugh> When you want to access WiFi you need to use a URL that is your loginURL (your.domain.name:8002) with /wifi at the end -> http://your.domain.name:8002/wifi
2016-03-16 16:45 <Sarkot> yes, i made that work
2016-03-16 16:46 <Plugh> Are you still getting 404's?
2016-03-16 16:47 <Plugh> You should be seeing a page that shows your grid name, has a login area on the right side of the screen, and has an icon with "Diva Wifi" beside in near the bottom right corner.
2016-03-16 16:47 <Sarkot> nope, like i told u i gave up with this. i tried to configure it on my live grid thinking it would be easy enough but i ended up so frustrated i tried everything and obviously the grid went down. i am going to start fresh again but this time i will do it locally
2016-03-16 16:48 <Sarkot> that page showed a grid name "unknowngrid"
2016-03-16 16:49 <Plugh> Did you enter your grid name in the WiFi.ini file?
2016-03-16 16:50 <Plugh> You also need to make sure "Enabled = true" is set in WiFi.ini
2016-03-16 16:51 <Sarkot> nope, i followed the instructions and i dont recall there was any mention of wifi.ini, nor i recall founding it on my own which is weird since i remember looking everywhere
2016-03-16 16:51 <Sarkot> but i think that is the main problem i had
2016-03-16 16:51 <Plugh> yes, there is 
2016-03-16 16:51 <Sarkot> web page was working ok because of the index.html was working but then there was no pointing to anywhere else from the home page
2016-03-16 16:51 <Plugh> 5 - "Merge" WIFIDIR/bin/Wifi.ini.example onto your Robust server's ini file. In other words, edit your Robust ini file and add the Wifi data to it. More specifically: ...
2016-03-16 16:52 <Sarkot> oh yeah that, yes i did that too
2016-03-16 16:52 <Sarkot> i just had to copy everything and pasted it in the robust.ini and then changed the eprtinent variables
2016-03-16 16:54 <Plugh> I need to go for lunch shortly. The next time you have access to your live grid and want to check your WiFi set up you can go over the information I've given you.
2016-03-16 16:55 <Plugh> If you are using the right URL to access the wifi main page you should not get a 404.
2016-03-16 16:55 <Plugh> My lunch is ready. bbl.
2016-03-16 16:59 <Sarkot> ok Plugh thanks a lot, really appreciate the help i always get from here. this is the first time i have ventured in the opensim world and i am trying to set it up as nice as i can. i always try everything i can on my own but there is so little documentation and mostly opdated *coughs* that many times i see myself forced to come back here
2016-03-16 17:21 <osmantis> Bug #7844:04 [PROPOSAL] Access-Control-Allow-Origin for HTTP LSL server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7844 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-16 17:22 <osmantis> Bug #7844:04 [PROPOSAL] Access-Control-Allow-Origin for HTTP LSL server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7844 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-03-16 19:01 <Melanie_T> JeffKelley: ping
2016-03-16 19:01 <JeffKelley> pong
2016-03-16 19:01 <Melanie_T> i'm working on your XSS 
2016-03-16 19:01 <Melanie_T> the patch as you gave it in mantis is not acceptable
2016-03-16 19:02 <Melanie_T> i'm reworking it to have osRequest[Secure]URL(list options)
2016-03-16 19:02 <Melanie_T> with currently one option supported, "allowXss"
2016-03-16 19:02 <Melanie_T> so you'd replace llRequestURL()
2016-03-16 19:02 <Melanie_T> with osRequestURL(["allowXss"]);
2016-03-16 19:02 <JeffKelley> not "xss", "cors"
2016-03-16 19:03 <Melanie_T> cors facilitates xss
2016-03-16 19:03 <JeffKelley> anyway, i'l glad you jumped in
2016-03-16 19:03 <Melanie_T> and people know "xss" better than "cors"
2016-03-16 19:03 <Melanie_T> and if this were a full cors implementation i may concur
2016-03-16 19:03 <Melanie_T> but as we have it, this allows only basic xss
2016-03-16 19:03 <JeffKelley> with pre-flight ?
2016-03-16 19:04 <Melanie_T> the scripter is responsible for preflight
2016-03-16 19:04 <Melanie_T> the HTTP system was never limited to just get and post afaik
2016-03-16 19:04 <Melanie_T> your LSL handler is given the verb used, i believe
2016-03-16 19:04 <JeffKelley> so, url allocated the old way will not XSS, url allocated the new way will, correct ?
2016-03-16 19:04 <Melanie_T> so you can preflight it from there
2016-03-16 19:04 <Melanie_T> yes, correct
2016-03-16 19:04 <JeffKelley> sound good
2016-03-16 19:07 <Melanie_T> i didn't tes it
2016-03-16 19:07 <Melanie_T> you may want to do that ;)
2016-03-16 19:11 <JeffKelley> compiling
2016-03-16 19:12 <JeffKelley> running
2016-03-16 19:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #4610 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-03-16 19:14 <JeffKelley> osRequestSecureURL ( [ "allowXss" ] ) ?
2016-03-16 19:18 <JeffKelley> forgot to add it to ossl.ini
2016-03-16 19:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4610: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4610/
2016-03-16 19:20 <osjenkins> * melanie: Implement Access-Control-Allow-Origin for HTTP LSL server
2016-03-16 19:20 <osjenkins> * melanie: Add osRequestURL and osRequestSecureURL with an options list.
2016-03-16 19:22 <JeffKelley> URL_REQUEST_DENIED
2016-03-16 19:30 <JeffKelley> osRequestURL ([ "allowXss" ]) =>Ok
2016-03-16 19:30 <JeffKelley> osRequestSecureURL ([ "allowXss" ]) => URL_REQUEST_DENIED
2016-03-16 19:40 <RiRa> Just did opensim 0.9 git, compilked it in visual studio. and then start opensim.exe in console.  result. only a flashing cursor. never seen this with opensim
2016-03-16 19:55 <smxy> I vaguely recall there being a command that would create the iconic pimple land form. Anyone know what it is? My 3x3 var is currently at terrain fill 0 and now I just want a pimple in the center.
2016-03-16 20:10 <Dev_Random> smxy: I don't recall that command, but you can build a custom pimple using "terrain modify" http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Server_Commands#terrain_modify
2016-03-16 20:12 <Dev_Random> it's not listed in "help terrain" because of the silly structure of the code that handles most terrain commands... but if you use "terrain modify max", it should do what you want
2016-03-16 20:16 <Dev_Random> sorry... should be min, not max.. e.g. #terrain modify min 30 -ell=384,384,240 -taper=-29
2016-03-16 20:18 <smxy> I'll try that, thanks.
2016-03-16 20:21 <smxy> That's *almost* but not quite what I wanted. Probably what I asked for though, LOL. :) It made a perfect pimple ... for a region the size of a 3x3, i.e., big. :) How would I make it be the normal sized pimple one might find in a legacy-sized region, but centered in my 3x3 region?
2016-03-16 20:21 <Dev_Random> change the 240 to a smaller number... it's the radius of effect
2016-03-16 20:22 <Dev_Random> say.... 100 ?
2016-03-16 20:22 <smxy> Ah, okay
2016-03-16 20:23 <Dev_Random> you'll probably want to fill 0 first... 
2016-03-16 20:24 <smxy> Yes, I did that. :)
2016-03-16 20:24 <smxy> That's much closer to what I wanted. I'll tweak it a bit more. Thank you very much. :)
2016-03-16 20:24 <Dev_Random> no problem
2016-03-16 20:36 <Melanie_T> JeffKelley: You can't request a secure URL with osRequestSecureURL() unless you have SSL set up
2016-03-16 20:37 <JeffKelley> I was suspecting that
2016-03-16 20:37 <Melanie_T> try llRequestSecureURL() and you will see that that also fails
2016-03-16 20:37 <Melanie_T> you need to have a CA set up and certificates in place
2016-03-16 20:37 <JeffKelley> i've never used https url
2016-03-16 20:38 <JeffKelley> anyway
2016-03-16 20:38 <JeffKelley> curl -i  http://grid.pescadoo.net:9050/lslhttp/c5d9ee26-ee5c-4612-b4d0-17a38d1feba9/
2016-03-16 21:56 <osmantis> Bug #7844:04 [PROPOSAL] Access-Control-Allow-Origin for HTTP LSL server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7844 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-03-16 23:28 <velusunivers-sys> JeffKelley, have you set up the mono with ssl yet?
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2016-03-16 23:45 <velusunivers-sys>                                                                                                                                                                         
2016-03-17 02:21 <velusunivers-sys> is anyone about? is it libmov that openims uses?
2016-03-17 02:25 <velusunivers-sys> its ok its openmetaverse i was thinking of
2016-03-17 02:29 <velusunivers-sys> ssm2017, you abot?
2016-03-17 05:07 <fimggg> hi everyone
2016-03-17 07:16 <JeffKelley> velusunivers-sys : no, i have not setup mono with ssl
2016-03-17 07:36 <ssm2017> velusunivers-sys :) no i am not a bot
2016-03-17 07:37 <JeffKelley> it's all about a bot
2016-03-17 09:07 <osmantis> Bug #7845:04 PGSQL Add database NULL check for Terraindata Heightfield 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7845 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-17 09:07 <osmantis> Bug #7845:04 PGSQL Add database NULL check for Terraindata Heightfield 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7845 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-03-17 09:08 <osmantis> Bug #7845:04 PGSQL Add database NULL check for Terraindata Heightfield 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7845 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-03-17 09:08 <osmantis> Bug #7845:04 PGSQL Add database NULL check for Terraindata Heightfield 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7845 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-03-17 09:13 <osmantis> Bug #7846:04 PGSQL - sync database tables to be in accordance with MySQL tables + 0-9 dev additions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7846 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-17 09:13 <osmantis> Bug #7846:04 PGSQL - sync database tables to be in accordance with MySQL tables + 0-9 dev additions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7846 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-03-17 09:30 <osmantis> Bug #7805:04 Record is replaced in Presence, PostgresSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7805 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007654.
2016-03-17 09:30 <osmantis> Bug #7654:04 PGSQL Presence store out of sync with MySQL version, PGSQLPresenceData.cs missing code 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7654 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007805.
2016-03-17 09:32 <osmantis> Bug #7805:04 Record is replaced in Presence, PostgresSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7805 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-17 09:41 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f lacks support for PGSQL adapter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-17 09:42 <osmantis> Bug #7805:04 PGSQL Records are overwritten in Presence table 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7805 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-03-17 09:43 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 PGSQL Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f for Agenpreferences lacks support for Postgres 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-03-17 13:56 <osmantis> Bug #7847:04 Opensim.exe not starting / blocked at startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7847 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-17 16:17 <Sarkot> hello everyone
2016-03-17 16:18 <Sarkot> quick question, can i disable flying in a region just for certain avatars? or is region wide?
2016-03-17 16:20 <Sarkot> i have only seen the block_fly on the regions settings table
2016-03-17 16:20 <smxy> It's for all avatars, to my knowledge. However, they can easily tell their viewer to ignore that and let them fly anyway.
2016-03-17 16:22 <Sarkot> damn, too bad
2016-03-17 16:23 <Sarkot> i guess the teachers will have to handle kids flying around
2016-03-17 16:33 <ssm2017> i do not have a viewer close to me but maybe you can allow flying only for a group
2016-03-17 16:33 <velusunivers-sys> JeffKelley, is it httplistener that your dealing with sss?
2016-03-17 16:33 <velusunivers-sys> ssl?
2016-03-17 16:34 <velusunivers-sys> ssm2017, do you have github?
2016-03-17 16:34 <velusunivers-sys> with the same name?
2016-03-17 16:34 <ssm2017> yes velusunivers-sys 
2016-03-17 16:34 <velusunivers-sys> what are you like with js?
2016-03-17 16:35 <ssm2017> i can answer in the channel #ssm2017 if you want because this is not opensim-dev related
2016-03-17 16:35 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-17 16:37 <JeffKelley> velusunivers-sys : i'm dealing with LSL HTTP server
2016-03-17 16:38 <velusunivers-sys> ok dose that use httplistner? i had foundsomething that helps with binding ssl to httplistner
2016-03-17 16:40 <JeffKelley> if you mean [Network] http_listener_port, no, that's a different thing
2016-03-17 16:42 <JeffKelley> LSL HTTP server deals with URLs allocated by llRequest(Secure)URL and now osRequest(Secure)URL
2016-03-17 16:42 <velusunivers-sys> ok
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2016-03-18 09:23 <osmantis> Bug #7848:04 Incorrect datetime value for column 'TMStamp' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7848 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-18 09:25 <osmantis> Bug #7848:04 Incorrect datetime value for column 'TMStamp' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7848 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-03-18 12:28 <osmantis> Bug #7848:04 Incorrect datetime value for column 'TMStamp' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7848 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-18 12:43 <osmantis> Bug #7848:04 Incorrect datetime value for column 'TMStamp' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7848 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-18 13:16 <osmantis> Bug #7848:04 Incorrect datetime value for column 'TMStamp' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7848 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-18 18:12 <djphil> @ Melanie_T : Hello, have you made progress on the part of your PHP OpenCurrency module? Is it progress in your todo list ?
2016-03-18 18:18 <velusunivers-sys> djphil, you working on a webui?
2016-03-18 18:18 <djphil> no
2016-03-18 18:18 <djphil> just separate modules
2016-03-18 18:18 <djphil> all in one is the next step
2016-03-18 18:18 <velusunivers-sys> for wheihc webui?
2016-03-18 18:18 <velusunivers-sys> for which webui?
2016-03-18 18:19 <Plugh>  djphil: What is the problem with OpenCurrency?
2016-03-18 18:19 <djphil> for everyone
2016-03-18 18:19 <djphil> The PHP part is missing Plugh
2016-03-18 18:19 <velusunivers-sys> but which webui are you basing it on?
2016-03-18 18:19 <djphil> Mel say me is on the todo list
2016-03-18 18:20 <djphil> not a webui based on another
2016-03-18 18:20 <djphil> i white all code myself
2016-03-18 18:20 <djphil> write*
2016-03-18 18:20 <Plugh> djphil: Look at the wiredux project (it may be listed as opensimwi) that has some of the helper functions.
2016-03-18 18:20 <djphil> i know the helper.php Plugh
2016-03-18 18:20 <djphil> i have it
2016-03-18 18:20 <Plugh> that and the money ones.
2016-03-18 18:21 <Plugh> Those, and the landtool.php file should be all you need.
2016-03-18 18:21 <djphil> i know too the landtools.php
2016-03-18 18:21 <velusunivers-sys> ok im working on a webui my self djphil im working on one that wil be modular and will be skinable aswell, i know i need a lot of help with the map, im trying to use leaflet.js
2016-03-18 18:22 <Plugh> ok. Since you are writing code from scratch you have everything you need.
2016-03-18 18:22 <djphil> it must make its module for php
2016-03-18 18:22 <djphil> So perhaps helper.php and landtools are not 100% compatible with its module ... I do not know
2016-03-18 18:22 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: :) Seems to be a popular activity. 
2016-03-18 18:23 <velusunivers-sys> yeah i have been wortking on it for a while. but had to have a break while i worked on some projects
2016-03-18 18:23 <Plugh> djphil: You have all the code. You can look at what the OpenCurrency module is doing and what it passes to an external PHP file. You can update the PHP files you have as needed.
2016-03-18 18:23 <velusunivers-sys> the other projects where paid projects i do have one paid one atm but im waiting for some more input and next payemnt
2016-03-18 18:24 <djphil> don't know leaflet.js ...
2016-03-18 18:24 <Plugh> 
ACTION sees the .js part of the file name and doesn't really want to know  ;)

2016-03-18 18:25 <velusunivers-sys> its a mapping system like google maps but different, i want to try and get way from google maps and such
2016-03-18 18:26 <djphil> Pugh Ok I can try it .. but unfortunately there is no information on how to install the module correctly, how to adjust the OpenSim.ini file.
2016-03-18 18:26 <djphil> In this case it is difficult to find an error or whether we all configured
2016-03-18 18:27 <djphil> i have a 100% working map with gmap api v3 (with or without imagick)
2016-03-18 18:28 <djphil> not on github yet ...
2016-03-18 18:28 <AliciaRaven> i dont think the php even interacts with the module, its just for the viewer to get the signal that the "account tier" is ok to enable buying land
2016-03-18 18:28 <djphil> for some currency module you need add some new lines in the opensim.ini AliciaRaven
2016-03-18 18:29 <Plugh> djphil: look at the currency module code and see what could set m_enabled to FALSE. In particular look at the ReadConfigAndPopulate() routine. 
2016-03-18 18:29 <djphil> eg: the helper url
2016-03-18 18:29 <AliciaRaven> djphil, yes the lines in ini are to be sent at login to the viewer
2016-03-18 18:29 <AliciaRaven> part of login responce
2016-03-18 18:29 <Plugh> djphil: You need to have economymodule set to OpenCurrency for a start.
2016-03-18 18:30 <djphil> can't read (and understand) C# Plugh
2016-03-18 18:30 <Plugh> ok. I'm guessing you aren't used to looking at programs in a lot of different languages.
2016-03-18 18:31 <Plugh> I think you also indicated you don't know C which would have helped you.
2016-03-18 18:31 <djphil> exact Plugh
2016-03-18 18:31 <djphil> i try if i can ...
2016-03-18 18:31 <Plugh> I've seen enough different languages that I can get an idea whats going on even when I don't know the language.
2016-03-18 18:32 <Plugh> Unless someone is using some feature of a language that makes things hard to read.
2016-03-18 18:32 <djphil> if I knew how, probably currency would already be on github :)
2016-03-18 18:32 <Plugh> m_enabled = (startupConfig.GetString("economymodule", "OpenCurrency") == "OpenCurrency");
2016-03-18 18:32 <Plugh> == is a test for equality.
2016-03-18 18:32 <djphil> :)
2016-03-18 18:34 <Plugh> It will yield a true or false. The GetString part shows it is getting the value of the setting "economymodule". If it doesn't find the setting the GetString call returns a default (the second item listed in the call) which is "OpenCurrency" in this particular case.
2016-03-18 18:34 <Plugh> so, if you have "economymodule" setting uncommented in your ini files you need to set it to OpenCurrency or the module will be disabled.
2016-03-18 18:35 <djphil> ok
2016-03-18 18:36 <djphil> the ini file isn't presised ...
2016-03-18 18:36 <djphil> Robust.ini, OPenSIm.ini ...
2016-03-18 18:37 <Plugh> currency modules are used with the instance so you would look in OpenSim.ini
2016-03-18 18:37 <djphil> Would it be better to do a few lines of explanation of the correct installation file ".intall.txt" Like this, something ...?
2016-03-18 18:38 <djphil> if i put a version of my github, i need a 1100% correct instll procedure
2016-03-18 18:38 <djphil> 100*
2016-03-18 18:41 <velusunivers-sys> djphil, you know php wel yes?
2016-03-18 18:41 <velusunivers-sys> can i pm you please?
2016-03-18 18:41 <djphil> not well and yes you can
2016-03-18 18:43 <Plugh> djphil: http://pastebin.com/UKQjfsjD
2016-03-18 18:43 <djphil> tyvm
2016-03-18 18:43 <djphil> wy gridmode = true ?
2016-03-18 18:43 <Plugh> djphil: Those are the basic things you need to set to enable the module. There are other entries in the Economy section you may want to change.
2016-03-18 18:44 <djphil> ok
2016-03-18 18:44 <djphil> anit work only in grid mode ?
2016-03-18 18:44 <djphil> it*
2016-03-18 18:45 <Plugh> setting that to true enables more of the routine to be used. If you have it as false it just calls one routine instead of doing a bunch of different things.
2016-03-18 18:45 <djphil> and another question, only helper.php and landtools.php are requiered to get it work or some onter files are needed ?
2016-03-18 18:46 <Plugh> djphil: Try the setting both ways when you are testing and see how it works for you.
2016-03-18 18:46 <Plugh> I can't spend more time looking at the code right now. I have some grid admin work scheduled to start now.
2016-03-18 18:46 <djphil> hehe :p ok i will try
2016-03-18 18:46 <Plugh> landtool.php is something used by the viewer only, IIRC.
2016-03-18 18:47 <Plugh> It is still part of a currency system if you are going to be having people buy land.
2016-03-18 18:47 <djphil> it create database too i assumed ...
2016-03-18 18:47 <djphil> open currency require a database
2016-03-18 18:48 <Plugh> I would have to look at helper.php to see what it does to know if that was also a viewer requirement or needed by a currency module. I don't have time to do that right now.
2016-03-18 18:48 <djphil> ok
2016-03-18 18:48 <Plugh> yes, the PHP file you tell the currency module to use (CurrencyServer setting) can be set up to use a database.
2016-03-18 18:48 <Plugh> bbl
2016-03-18 18:49 <velusunivers-sys> ttyl Plugh 
2016-03-18 18:54 <djphil> Plug: First i will check the php and if i have broble, you see me back ^^
2016-03-18 18:55 <djphil> problem*
2016-03-18 19:54 <djphil> velusunivers-sys : for your leaflet map for OpenSim, have you read the doc ?
2016-03-18 19:56 <djphil> isn't really hard to get a opensim picture instead of default leaflet world map
2016-03-18 19:56 <djphil> http://digigrids.no-ip.org/osleaflet/
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2016-03-19 00:45 <Melanie_T> djphil: the files are those from WiRedux
2016-03-19 00:45 <Melanie_T> they need a bit of work, they're ancient
2016-03-19 00:45 <Melanie_T> but my computer is in the shop and i can't code well on the laptop i use for now
2016-03-19 00:46 <djphil> ok, i can wait
2016-03-19 00:46 <djphil> i found some files from wiredux
2016-03-19 00:46 <djphil> but at now can't get it work
2016-03-19 00:47 <djphil> Please let me know when you put the php
2016-03-19 01:14 <Melanie_T> well, that is the point
2016-03-19 01:14 <Melanie_T> people can't get it to work
2016-03-19 01:14 <Melanie_T> it's not trivial
2016-03-19 01:14 <Melanie_T> so what i want to do is extract the stuff from wiredux (which is dead)
2016-03-19 01:15 <Melanie_T> and make them standalone, with a bit of docs
2016-03-19 01:15 <Melanie_T> with luck, i get my real computer back on Monday
2016-03-19 01:16 <djphil> it would be appreciated :)
2016-03-19 01:16 <Melanie_T> it's not like the laptop is a craptop or anything
2016-03-19 01:16 <Melanie_T> but i'm used to working with a lot more screen space when i develop
2016-03-19 01:16 <djphil> idem
2016-03-19 03:37 <osmantis> Bug #7849:04 Console command: land show doesn't show correct owner's name of the parcel, when parcel is owned by group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7849 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-19 09:24 <osmantis> Bug #7848:04 Incorrect datetime value for column 'TMStamp' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7848 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-03-19 19:44 <RiRa> Is opensim 0.9 igonring custom mode collision shapes for mesh ?
2016-03-19 22:06 <velusunivers-sys> melanie_, you about?
2016-03-19 22:11 <melanie_> yep
2016-03-19 22:30 <velusunivers-sys> Melanie_T, did you create the maps for osgrid?
2016-03-19 22:31 <Melanie_T> yes
2016-03-19 22:31 <velusunivers-sys> would you be able to help me with creating  map system that uses leaflet instead of google maps
2016-03-19 22:32 <Melanie_T> my system doesn't use google maps
2016-03-19 22:32 <Melanie_T> it's self-contained
2016-03-19 22:32 <velusunivers-sys> what does it use then?
2016-03-19 22:32 <Melanie_T> i wrote it
2016-03-19 22:33 <Melanie_T> it uses nothing ready made
2016-03-19 22:33 <velusunivers-sys> have you got a copy and have you got install instructions
2016-03-19 22:34 <Melanie_T> my main comuter broke down. it is in the shop
2016-03-19 22:34 <Melanie_T> probably until monday evening
2016-03-19 22:34 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-19 22:34 <Melanie_T> on this one, i don't have any passwords, bookmarks, etc
2016-03-19 22:35 <Melanie_T> i do recall that i set up a repo somewhere
2016-03-19 22:35 <Melanie_T> just can't say where
2016-03-19 22:35 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-19 22:35 <Melanie_T> i just checked github but it's not there
2016-03-19 22:35 <Melanie_T> maybe on forge
2016-03-19 22:35 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-19 22:42 <djphil> here is the last Melanie Map i have (v1.2) http://digigrids.no-ip.org/webmap_v1.2.zip
2016-03-19 22:43 <Melanie_T> that should be current
2016-03-19 22:43 <Melanie_T> thanks
2016-03-19 22:43 <djphil> :)
2016-03-19 22:45 <velusunivers-sys> ok thanks
2016-03-19 22:45 <Melanie_T> what made you think it would use google maps?
2016-03-19 22:48 <velusunivers-sys> everyone else seems to use them
2016-03-19 22:49 <Melanie_T> well, my opinion of premade, prehosted things is well known. i'd never use them because the service could be withdrawn or made non-free at any time
2016-03-19 22:50 <Melanie_T> like google translate - it's non-free now for things like in world translation
2016-03-19 22:50 <Melanie_T> first they get everyone to use something, then they go and start charging for it
2016-03-19 23:13 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: At a recent OS developer meeting in osgrid someone seemed to indicate that the osgrid maps weren't handling vars properly.
2016-03-19 23:14 <Melanie_T> they were coded before vars existed
2016-03-19 23:14 <Plugh> IIRC, it was reported that only the sw corner shows on the map. I haven't checked to verify that.
2016-03-19 23:14 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-03-19 23:14 <velusunivers-sys> thats what iu thought plough and i know leaflet can handle it well
2016-03-19 23:14 <Melanie_T> but the changes to do vars are only to the php
2016-03-19 23:14 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-03-19 23:15 <Plugh> My main concern with maps is how to clear out old map tiles from the inworld grid map.
2016-03-19 23:19 <Melanie_T> 0.9 includes a maptile delete facility within the protocol
2016-03-19 23:19 <Melanie_T> as with everything, ymmv and i can't say if the merge broke it
2016-03-19 23:19 <Melanie_T> but it's there
2016-03-19 23:26 <Plugh> ok. I will be testing it at some point. I have tiles on the map for regions that have been moved or shutdown.
2016-03-19 23:29 <Melanie_T> the 0.9 code will delete a maptile ONLY of the region shuts down normally
2016-03-19 23:29 <Melanie_T> it will NOT scan for live regions on a timer or somesuch
2016-03-19 23:30 <Melanie_T> regions that get hard-killed (ctrl-c or kill) will not deregister
2016-03-19 23:30 <Melanie_T> so their tiles will stay
2016-03-19 23:36 <Plugh> That's fine and with the new command I will be able to clean up the map. 
2016-03-19 23:40 <Melanie_T> i have some code, i just don't know where it is
2016-03-19 23:40 <Melanie_T> that will delete all compound maps, clean up the single maps so that it contains only maps of regions that are up in the regions table
2016-03-19 23:41 <Melanie_T> and then create needed compound maps from that
2016-03-19 23:41 <Melanie_T> it's all in php
2016-03-19 23:41 <Melanie_T> just can't find any code until i get my main machine back
2016-03-19 23:45 <Plugh> ok, np. I've lived with the extra map tiles for many months. No rush to get rid of them.
2016-03-19 23:45 <velusunivers-sys> djphil_, how did the ossearch go? have you got it working
2016-03-19 23:45 <Plugh> I was hoping it would have been as simple as removing files from a directory then letting regions recreate the map tiles.
2016-03-19 23:46 <Plugh> I think I tried that and it didn't work. Perhaps some data had been cached.
2016-03-19 23:53 <Melanie_T> no
2016-03-19 23:53 <Melanie_T> the maps are composited
2016-03-19 23:54 <velusunivers-sys> just to confirm the opensim in github under opensim/opensim is the latest version yesd
2016-03-19 23:54 <Melanie_T> you have the base tile which is one tile per region
2016-03-19 23:54 <Melanie_T> then the map image service goes and creates 4x4,8x8,16x16 and 32x32 images
2016-03-19 23:54 <Melanie_T> of the area that contains that map
2016-03-19 23:54 <Melanie_T> it includes all maps that form this area
2016-03-19 23:55 <Melanie_T> after this, deleting just that one file will not clear it from the map
2016-03-19 23:55 <Melanie_T> it's part of all the composites as well
2016-03-19 23:55 <Melanie_T> so the composites have to be recreated without the deleted tile
2016-03-20 00:10 <velusunivers-sys> Melanie_T, what is cenomecache?
2016-03-20 00:11 <Melanie_T> a failed attempt at memory caching
2016-03-20 00:11 <Melanie_T> may contain bugs
2016-03-20 00:11 <Melanie_T> no one i know uses it
2016-03-20 00:11 <Melanie_T> and those who tried it years back said it doesn't do what it says on the box
2016-03-20 00:12 <Saphira> those who came back after trying
2016-03-20 00:12 <velusunivers-sys> ok i was going through the configs files and noticed it and was confused i will make sure i cross it off the list
2016-03-20 00:12 <Melanie_T> now that you remind me of it, we may want to issue a call for removal
2016-03-20 00:12 <Melanie_T> see if it has any users left
2016-03-20 00:12 <velusunivers-sys> ok im glad to of reminded you of it
2016-03-20 00:13 <velusunivers-sys> i think im gonna need to get some morte ink soon for my printer lol
2016-03-20 00:16 <Plugh> Melanie_T: I wasn't thinking of deleting a single tile. If I was sure where all the tiles were saved I would have deleted all tiles for the entire grid and let regions register a new tile and let the map system regenerate the compound tiles.
2016-03-20 00:17 <Plugh> For now I'll have to wait until I update to 0.9 before I can clean the map.
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2016-03-20 02:05 <osmantis> Bug #7850:04 The ubODE version of llCastRay is very slow on var regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7850 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-20 02:14 <osmantis> Bug #7851:04 The ubODE version of llCastRay is measurably slower when pointing down 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7851 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-20 17:51 <velusunivers-sys> i have a question, is there a way to block one person from a grid but the person is from another grid and comes in through hypergrid is there a way of blocking that person
2016-03-20 18:41 <velusunivers-sys> also you have freeswitch for voice can you also use something like asterix for it too
2016-03-20 19:02 <osmantis> Bug #7852:04 d 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7852 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-20 19:05 <osmantis> Bug #7852:04 d 14(  ): has been DELETED.
2016-03-20 19:06 <AliciaRaven> heh spam gone
2016-03-20 19:12 <velusunivers-sys> AliciaRaven, do you know where to code for freeswitch is?
2016-03-20 19:13 <AliciaRaven> look in optional modules i think
2016-03-20 19:14 <velusunivers-sys> i cant see that in the code base/.
2016-03-20 19:15 <velusunivers-sys> ok its in services and freeswitch
2016-03-20 19:42 <velusunivers-sys> AliciaRaven, did you work on th freeswitch module? and also do you know if there is a way to block a user from hypergrid juts the one user and not a whole grid
2016-03-20 19:43 <AliciaRaven> no, ive only used vivox but never worked on any of the voice code
2016-03-20 19:43 <velusunivers-sys> ok do you know hwo did?
2016-03-20 19:44 <AliciaRaven> no, i dont think any work has been done on it since ive been around
2016-03-20 19:44 <velusunivers-sys> ok hmmm wonder who would know Melanie_T do you know
2016-03-20 19:45 <AliciaRaven> asfar as blocking a single user, im not sure, IP address' change and they can always create a new account, so its like aiming at a moving target
2016-03-20 19:45 <AliciaRaven> best approach would be a MAC ban but im not sure opensim can do that, might be more of a firewall option
2016-03-20 19:45 <velusunivers-sys> i know but if there is a way to block one user and well keep blocking them as they create accounts
2016-03-20 19:46 <AliciaRaven> yea, IP address will change alot on any home connection even DLS or cable when the router is restarted, look at adding a MAC ban to the firewall if u really must
2016-03-20 19:47 <velusunivers-sys> its not rally mac im looking at but more the username from another grid
2016-03-20 19:47 <AliciaRaven> so what stops them using another avatar?
2016-03-20 19:47 <velusunivers-sys> nothing,
2016-03-20 19:48 <velusunivers-sys> if someone is persitant enough they will change there mac address too
2016-03-20 19:49 <AliciaRaven> exactly, its not worth it, u block one they use another
2016-03-20 20:03 <velusunivers-sys> Melanie_T, do you know who worked on th voice module freswitch
2016-03-20 20:07 <AliciaRaven> acording to git hub the service was worked on by melanie and justin
2016-03-20 20:07 <AliciaRaven> not sure about the other pages
2016-03-20 20:08 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-20 20:08 <velusunivers-sys> can you link me please
2016-03-20 20:08 <AliciaRaven> https://github.com/opensim/opensim/blob/master/OpenSim/Services/FreeswitchService/FreeswitchService.cs
2016-03-20 20:08 <velusunivers-sys> thank
2016-03-20 20:55 <smxy> MAC addresses can be trivially spoofed.
2016-03-20 21:15 <osmantis> Bug #7766:04 Making Hypergrid Landmarks, and buying objects from Kitely to 0.9 code does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7766 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-20 21:19 <Melanie_T> what opensim calls the MAC Isn't the mac
2016-03-20 21:19 <Melanie_T> in many viewers the mac is the same as id0
2016-03-20 21:19 <Melanie_T> in most, it's blank or constnt
2016-03-20 21:19 <Melanie_T> LL decided at one point to transmit the user's mac
2016-03-20 21:19 <Melanie_T> that was seen by users as too intrusive
2016-03-20 21:20 <Melanie_T> and LL had to step back from doing that ir risk everyone using TPV
2016-03-20 21:20 <Melanie_T> ----
2016-03-20 21:20 <Melanie_T> velusunivers-sys: the freeswitch code isn't directly compatible with using asterisk, but could probaby be converted
2016-03-20 21:21 <Melanie_T> the idea behind that code is to call named conferences on constructed SIP URLs that freeswitch is then configured to accept
2016-03-20 21:22 <Melanie_T> freeswitch doesn't have any code for distance attenuation of indeed any positional audio
2016-03-20 21:22 <Melanie_T> that it works at all depends on a fallback mechaniism in the LL voice client (SLVoice)
2016-03-20 21:23 <Melanie_T> it will try to establish a connection with the Vivox extended codec (which has all the position info and such) and then, failing to do so, fall back to basic protocols
2016-03-20 21:24 <Melanie_T> it was originally believed by justin that it would use the higher compression base protocol of the Vivox system but was later determined that it switches to a low compression protocol
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2016-03-20 21:52 <velusunivers-sys> ok thanks 
2016-03-20 21:52 <velusunivers-sys> so with freeswitch then there is no directional or even distance in voice?
2016-03-20 22:09 <velusunivers-sys> is that right Melanie_T 
2016-03-20 22:13 <velusunivers-sys> with region info source it can be web or file system, what exactly is this?
2016-03-20 22:18 <Melanie_T> velusunivers-sys: correct. the whole sim is a single conference with the freeswitch solution
2016-03-20 22:18 <Melanie_T> velusunivers-sys: you can load regions.ini from the filesystem or regions.xml from a web server
2016-03-20 22:18 <velusunivers-sys> ok thanks Melanie_T i may look at something else then lol, 
2016-03-20 22:18 <velusunivers-sys> how would the regions.xml look like?
2016-03-20 22:19 <Melanie_T> it's a nini-format xl file
2016-03-20 22:19 <Melanie_T> xml*
2016-03-20 22:19 <Melanie_T> so it starts with <nini>
2016-03-20 22:19 <Melanie_T> then <Regions>
2016-03-20 22:20 <Melanie_T> just read the nini documentation
2016-03-20 22:20 <velusunivers-sys> have you got an example
2016-03-20 22:20 <Melanie_T> you can use configger.exe (it comes with opensim) to ceate nini xml of the opensim.ini
2016-03-20 22:20 <Melanie_T> which will give you an idea of the way it's formatted
2016-03-20 22:20 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-20 22:21 <velusunivers-sys> where is configger.exe
2016-03-20 22:22 <Melanie_T> in bin/
2016-03-20 22:22 <Melanie_T> and i don't have a sample
2016-03-20 22:22 <Melanie_T> not until i get my main machine back
2016-03-20 22:23 <velusunivers-sys> i cant find it 
2016-03-20 22:26 <JeffKelley> velusunivers-sys  : this worked for me http://pastebin.com/p3wv9C5C
2016-03-20 22:27 <velusunivers-sys> ok thanks JeffKelley im assuming if you want to add more regions then you simply add more to the bottom in a new <section>
2016-03-20 22:28 <Melanie_T> yep that is the format
2016-03-20 22:28 <Melanie_T> and yes, velusunivers-sys but stay within the nini tags
2016-03-20 22:28 <velusunivers-sys> thanks this will help with a project im going to be creating soon, and i gathered within the nini sections
2016-03-20 22:31 <velusunivers-sys> i have another question aswell for a project that is slowly comming on, if i was to create a system with split services how would i set that up?
2016-03-20 22:32 <velusunivers-sys> i.e assets on on server, login on another server and so forth
2016-03-20 22:32 <Melanie_T> just set up a robust on each
2016-03-20 22:32 <Melanie_T> uncomment and/or repoint services as needed
2016-03-20 22:32 <Melanie_T> it was designed for that sort of thing
2016-03-20 22:33 <Melanie_T> for instance, if you have a login service
2016-03-20 22:33 <Melanie_T> that is designed so it can query a reote inventory server
2016-03-20 22:33 <velusunivers-sys> but how would i repoint servers
2016-03-20 22:38 <Melanie_T> when you look to the login service
2016-03-20 22:38 <Melanie_T> as an example
2016-03-20 22:38 <Melanie_T> you will see it loads a copy of the LocalInventoryConnector
2016-03-20 22:38 <Melanie_T> so, change that to RemoteInventoryConnector
2016-03-20 22:39 <Melanie_T> and add the needed host info under the InventoryService tag
2016-03-20 22:40 <Melanie_T> like so
2016-03-20 22:40 <Melanie_T> [Startup]
2016-03-20 22:40 <Melanie_T> ServiceConnectors = "8002/OpenSim.Server.Handlers.dll:LLLoginServiceInConnector"
2016-03-20 22:41 <Melanie_T> sorry, I don't seem to have a remote config handy. it used to be remote but isn't anymore
2016-03-20 22:41 <Melanie_T> still looking
2016-03-20 22:41 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-20 22:42 <Melanie_T> [LoginService]
2016-03-20 22:42 <Melanie_T> InventoryService = "OpenSim.Services.InventoryService.dll:XInventoryService"
2016-03-20 22:42 <Melanie_T> here
2016-03-20 22:42 <Melanie_T> you would use the XInventoryConnector instead
2016-03-20 22:43 <Melanie_T> and configure a section [Inventory]
2016-03-20 22:43 <Melanie_T> with the server IP
2016-03-20 22:43 <Melanie_T> etc
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2016-03-20 22:44 <Melanie_T> i can't find anything more right now
2016-03-20 22:45 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-20 22:45 <Melanie_T> because avination does this in another way
2016-03-20 22:45 <Melanie_T> there should be some info in the wiki
2016-03-20 22:45 <Melanie_T> diva did write robust up back then
2016-03-20 22:45 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-20 23:05 <velusunivers-sys> i think i have found the info 
2016-03-20 23:09 <velusunivers-sys> what exact services can be split up? 
2016-03-20 23:12 <velusunivers-sys> can i do something like inverntory service assets service login service on seperate systems
2016-03-20 23:25 <Melanie_T> you can split all services if you like
2016-03-20 23:26 <Melanie_T> but some like the login service depend on others
2016-03-20 23:26 <Melanie_T> so you need to provide the info
2016-03-20 23:26 <velusunivers-sys> ok i will be giving it ago in about 30 mins when my money gets in so i can get a domain name
2016-03-20 23:26 <Melanie_T> in each robust.ini about the location of the dependent services
2016-03-20 23:26 <Melanie_T> you don't need a domain name at this stage
2016-03-20 23:26 <Melanie_T> not for any technical reason anyway
2016-03-20 23:27 <velusunivers-sys> i know but i may aswell set it up with the domain lol
2016-03-20 23:27 <Melanie_T> well, there is a good reason not to
2016-03-20 23:27 <Melanie_T> you really don't want your central services to get out of touch
2016-03-20 23:27 <Melanie_T> so i recommend using ip addresses only where central services are concerned
2016-03-20 23:28 <Melanie_T> and where you can't use IP for some reason, put the addresses into each machine's hosts file
2016-03-20 23:28 <velusunivers-sys> true it would take about that amount of time to set up the systems ready for it anyway 
2016-03-20 23:28 <Melanie_T> dns lookups, especially remote, are expensive
2016-03-20 23:28 <Melanie_T> and may fail
2016-03-20 23:28 <velusunivers-sys> true true
2016-03-20 23:28 <velusunivers-sys> i may need you help soon
2016-03-20 23:29 <Melanie_T> well, i'm here :)
2016-03-20 23:41 <velusunivers-sys> Melanie_T, in the servicelist which services should be grouped together on a server ? im wanting assets login inventory and main grid servers so five in total, but which way should i put them ? 
2016-03-20 23:43 <Melanie_T> there is no set rule
2016-03-20 23:43 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-20 23:44 <Melanie_T> generally, look at the requirements
2016-03-20 23:44 <Melanie_T> it's almost always good sense to put assets on a separate server
2016-03-20 23:44 <velusunivers-sys> where are they?
2016-03-20 23:44 <Melanie_T> there is no list
2016-03-20 23:44 <Melanie_T> i meant, think about what each needs
2016-03-20 23:44 <Melanie_T> like
2016-03-20 23:44 <Melanie_T> assets need space and bandwidth
2016-03-20 23:44 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-20 23:44 <Melanie_T> inventory needs a lot of cpu
2016-03-20 23:45 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-20 23:45 <Melanie_T> login needs bandwidth
2016-03-20 23:45 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-20 23:45 <Melanie_T> grid services need little of anything
2016-03-20 23:45 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-20 23:45 <Melanie_T> gatekeeper may come under attack so you don't want it in with someting sensitive
2016-03-20 23:45 <Melanie_T> and so on
2016-03-20 23:45 <velusunivers-sys> there is a list on the robust.ini there is a section called servicelist
2016-03-20 23:46 <Melanie_T> you will only put in the ones that should run on that machne
2016-03-20 23:46 <Melanie_T> in any order
2016-03-20 23:46 <Melanie_T> remove the ones that should not run
2016-03-20 23:46 <velusunivers-sys> ok 
2016-03-20 23:46 <Melanie_T> or comment them
2016-03-20 23:58 <velusunivers-sys> brb
2016-03-20 23:58 <velusunivers-sys> im still looking on how to set tyhyis up properly
2016-03-21 02:46 <velusunivers-sys> hello is anyone about that will be able to help me set up a grid service with split services?
2016-03-21 02:57 <velusunivers-sys> smxy, is the opensim in github https://github.com/opensim/opensim the same as the one as the one in opensimulator.org
2016-03-21 02:58 <smxy> I *think* so, but the latter is definitive.
2016-03-21 02:59 <velusunivers-sys> ok i noticed there is some changes in the simulator.org but not in github?
2016-03-21 02:59 <smxy> Then don't use the github version. The other one is authoritative.
2016-03-21 03:00 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-21 03:06 <velusunivers-sys> it seems git is version 0.8.3 and the opensimulator is 0.9.0
2016-03-21 03:11 <velusunivers-sys> how do i git clone from the opensim site?
2016-03-21 03:11 <smxy> It tells you how, in the wiki.
2016-03-21 03:12 <velusunivers-sys> ok ill look and also do you know how to split the services on different servers
2016-03-21 03:12 <smxy> Nope. I'm sure I could figure it out though, if I needed to.
2016-03-21 03:13 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-21 03:56 <velusunivers-sys> smxy, by anychance do you know if currency works with hypergrid? and if do can hypergrid users buy and use money in a grid i.e if i have a grid with hypergrid enabled and then have some user from say kitley can they buy credits in my place and spend them in my place?
2016-03-21 04:04 <smxy> I know nothing about currency+HG. Sorry.
2016-03-21 04:05 <velusunivers-sys> ok thanks anyway 
2016-03-21 04:56 <velusunivers-sys> smxy, you very busy atm? 
2016-03-21 06:18 <velusunivers-sys> with the mysql it askes for the host my host is db.domain.com would i just put that in or actually put in http://db.domain.com
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2016-03-21 07:00 <velusunivers-sys> yay i think i have it ready sorted now ish
2016-03-21 08:11 <velusunivers-sys> is anyone awake atm
2016-03-21 08:11 <velusunivers-sys> im having problems with assets service the fs is not working
2016-03-21 08:15 <velusunivers-sys> http://pastebin.com/73ua1JAv this is the log when i run assets under fsassets but if i run it under nortmal it works ok
2016-03-21 08:16 <velusunivers-sys> i have also created fsassets/data|tmp aswell in the bin folder
2016-03-21 08:16 <velusunivers-sys> it also has r/w to the folderws
2016-03-21 08:16 <velusunivers-sys> can someone please help me
2016-03-21 08:18 <velusunivers-sys> djphil, have you gotten fs assets working?
2016-03-21 08:29 <velusunivers-sys> JeffKelley, you awake?
2016-03-21 08:49 <ssm2017> velusunivers-sys did you follow this procedure ? : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/FSAssets_Service
2016-03-21 08:49 <velusunivers-sys> yes i have
2016-03-21 08:49 <ssm2017> it looks like there is an issue with your database setup
2016-03-21 08:50 <velusunivers-sys> in what way? 
2016-03-21 08:50 <ssm2017> either you are using the default database setup, either you are using 2 databases : 1 for fsassets and 1 for other services
2016-03-21 08:51 <ssm2017> look at your first error, it is saying that : "Connection must be valid and open."
2016-03-21 08:52 <velusunivers-sys> http://pastebin.com/73CERZxN is the config
2016-03-21 08:52 <velusunivers-sys> the db is open and valid
2016-03-21 08:53 <ssm2017> line 184 password is wrong
2016-03-21 08:54 <velusunivers-sys> i had put a * in instead of my password on the paste so noone knows the password
2016-03-21 08:54 <velusunivers-sys> if i do it in normal assets it works but with fs it dont
2016-03-21 08:55 <ssm2017> try to move lines 183+184 inside the [AssetService] section (under line 192)
2016-03-21 08:55 <velusunivers-sys> ok will do
2016-03-21 08:56 <ssm2017> because you can set up different db connections for every service if you want
2016-03-21 08:58 <velusunivers-sys> same problem
2016-03-21 09:02 <ssm2017> i have not seen that there is already a place to setup database in [AssetService] : lines 212 / 214 so maybe you should uncomment the line 214 : "Real = "fsassets" and then uncomment lines 226 (allowremotedelete = false and line 233 allowremotedeletealltypes=false
2016-03-21 09:03 <ssm2017> and uncomment too line 209 daysbetweenaccesstimeupdates...
2016-03-21 09:03 <ssm2017> i remember having issues when not uncommenting one of these lines (using 0.8.2.1-post-fixes)
2016-03-21 09:04 <ssm2017> s/Real/Realm
2016-03-21 09:04 <velusunivers-sys> same problem
2016-03-21 09:08 <velusunivers-sys> im stumped i have tried many combinations now
2016-03-21 09:09 <velusunivers-sys> can you check it against your config please mine is 0.9
2016-03-21 09:11 <ssm2017> i am using 0.8.2.1 and i am having : http://pastebin.com/kYyfuSVk
2016-03-21 09:12 <ssm2017> the database is set in [DatabaseService] section
2016-03-21 09:12 <ssm2017> i am not using the fallback service
2016-03-21 09:18 <velusunivers-sys> hmmm im still at a los it works for normal bnut not this
2016-03-21 09:19 <ssm2017> have you tried to put http:// in front of your ip address in the mysql config line ?
2016-03-21 09:20 <ssm2017> this is weird but maybe...
2016-03-21 09:22 <velusunivers-sys> it works for everything else but i will try now
2016-03-21 09:23 <velusunivers-sys> still failed
2016-03-21 09:27 <velusunivers-sys> ill wait for mel
2016-03-21 09:27 <velusunivers-sys> as im at a loss atm
2016-03-21 09:27 <ssm2017> you can also try with 0.8.2.1-post-fixes
2016-03-21 09:28 <velusunivers-sys> ?
2016-03-21 09:28 <ssm2017> 0.9 (git master) is the dev branch so things can be broken sometimes
2016-03-21 09:28 <ssm2017> the last release is 0.8.2.1
2016-03-21 09:29 <velusunivers-sys> ok i will look through commits on the assets service
2016-03-21 09:29 <ssm2017> either you can try with the "stable" release 0.8.2.1 or you can checkout the branch 0.8.2-post-fixes to get a post release fixed version and compile it yourself
2016-03-21 09:30 <ssm2017> if it is working with 0.8.2.1 and not working with 0.9, it means that there is a bug that you can report on mantis
2016-03-21 09:30 <velusunivers-sys> ok i may of found something
2016-03-21 09:40 <velusunivers-sys> it seems mel has been playing with it lately
2016-03-21 10:10 <velusunivers-sys> ssm2017, with the asset service do i need the inventry service working correctly before i run the assets service for fs? i have just thought that might be the reason as im splitting the services
2016-03-21 10:19 <ssm2017> you can run the assets/fsassets service alone without inventory or another service (tested without hypergrid)
2016-03-21 10:27 <velusunivers-sys> ok well i have set them all up now and its still not working but there is a mantis about one before its something to do with the db not opening but it opens with normal and sets up ok with normal
2016-03-21 10:28 <ssm2017> have you tried using the 0.8.2.1 release ?
2016-03-21 10:30 <velusunivers-sys> no not yet im determind to figgure out the error 
2016-03-21 10:41 <velusunivers-sys> its not throwing cann not connect to db so thats a good thing i just cant find the problem
2016-03-21 11:07 <osmantis> Bug #7848:04 Incorrect datetime value for column 'TMStamp' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7848 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-21 16:46 <velusunivers-sys> is anyone about that can help me? the fsassets aint working but assets is?
2016-03-21 17:36 <AliciaRaven2> velusunivers-sys, http://opensimulator.org/wiki/FSAssets_Service
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2016-03-22 01:48 <osmantis> Bug #7766:04 Making Hypergrid Landmarks, and buying objects from Kitely to 0.9 code does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7766 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-22 03:35 <osmantis> Bug #7842:04 One instance configured same as all my others crashes shortly after it finishes loading. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7842 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-03-22 03:36 <osmantis> Bug #7842:04 One instance configured same as all my others crashes shortly after it finishes loading. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7842 ): has been CLOSED
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2016-03-22 07:03 <osmantis> Bug #7853:04 ubODE fails when “sculpt animation” is used. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7853 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-22 07:25 <osmantis> Bug #7854:04 ubODE does not support the Physics Shape Type drop-down in the build menu 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7854 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-22 10:19 <osmantis> Bug #7766:04 Making Hypergrid Landmarks, and buying objects from Kitely to 0.9 code does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7766 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-03-22 13:13 <velusunivers-sys> AliciaRaven, i have followed it
2016-03-22 13:36 <AliciaRaven> velusunivers-sys, well i can confirm it does work, i use it and also osgrid and avination
2016-03-22 13:37 <velusunivers-sys> well can you help me figgure out whats wrong then please?
2016-03-22 13:38 <AliciaRaven> do u have any errors, can u post ur config to pastebin?
2016-03-22 13:39 <velusunivers-sys> http://pastebin.com/73ua1JAv that is the log
2016-03-22 13:43 <velusunivers-sys> http://pastebin.com/CLcgQKum that is the config
2016-03-22 13:46 <velusunivers-sys> OMG BRUSSELS has had bomb attack 
2016-03-22 13:49 <AliciaRaven> velusunivers-sys, looks like database connection is failing, does it work if u change back to standard asset service?
2016-03-22 13:49 <velusunivers-sys> yes works fine on normal assets but not on fs
2016-03-22 13:52 <velusunivers-sys> im using the latest from the openims git
2016-03-22 13:53 <AliciaRaven> config looks ok, seems to be issue with connecting to db but if it works without fsassets then im not sure
2016-03-22 13:55 <velusunivers-sys> maybe its a commit that has broke it
2016-03-22 13:55 <velusunivers-sys> Melanie_, you about
2016-03-22 14:09 <ssm2017> velusunivers-sys could you confirm that you can run fsassets with 0.8.2.1 release ?
2016-03-22 14:10 <velusunivers-sys> not yet but i will be trying that now, im about to downlod it now
2016-03-22 14:18 <velusunivers-sys> yes 8.3 works but 9.0 dont
2016-03-22 14:18 <velusunivers-sys> so its a commit error somewhere?
2016-03-22 14:24 <velusunivers-sys> ssm2017, it is working but its having a little hissy fit about something
2016-03-22 14:30 <velusunivers-sys> its ok i got it completely working now with it 
2016-03-22 14:30 <velusunivers-sys> with out errors
2016-03-22 14:30 <velusunivers-sys> on 8.3 but not 9.0
2016-03-22 14:31 <ssm2017> maybe this process helped you to determine where is the issue :)
2016-03-22 14:32 <Ken_Savage> I was unable to get FS assets working on 9.0 also.  Never tried 8.3
2016-03-22 14:44 <velusunivers-sys> Ken_Savage, try 8.3 for now as i think that 9.0 has a problem 
2016-03-22 14:51 <velusunivers-sys> Plugh, you about?
2016-03-22 14:51 <Plugh> yes
2016-03-22 14:52 <velusunivers-sys> there seems to be some brake in the code for fsassets for 9.0 dev code as if i run on 8.3 it works but 9.0 fails
2016-03-22 14:52 <velusunivers-sys> http://pastebin.com/73ua1JAv that is the error i get
2016-03-22 14:54 <Plugh> When I see that type of message the first thing that comes to mind is to check the connection string you are using to access the FSAssets tables. Check your database user permissions.
2016-03-22 14:54 <velusunivers-sys> i have done i am using the exact same config for 8.3 as 9.0 in 9.0 the fsassets dont work but assets does 
2016-03-22 14:56 <velusunivers-sys> Ken_Savage, seems to be having the same problem
2016-03-22 14:57 <Plugh> RL...bbiab
2016-03-22 14:57 <velusunivers-sys> ok tyt
2016-03-22 14:59 <Plugh> I'm back
2016-03-22 15:00 <velusunivers-sys> wb i see that Melanie_ was the last to commit to the fsassets but i really dont understand the code well enough to find the problem
2016-03-22 15:00 <Plugh> I keep thinking I should modify the OS code so that it tests database connection strings as soon as it reads them so it can catch errors in them early instead of waiting until it tries to access a db.
2016-03-22 15:01 <velusunivers-sys> it would be a good idea tobh
2016-03-22 15:01 <Plugh> I would be surprised if such a fundamental part of the module is broken.
2016-03-22 15:01 <velusunivers-sys> can you try it owt please
2016-03-22 15:02 <Plugh> hm... let's see... I have run 0.8.2 so my database has been migrated for that.
2016-03-22 15:02 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-22 15:03 <Plugh> I need to check where I am in a setup for 0.9
2016-03-22 15:06 <Plugh> Hm..., FSAssets appears to be a grid only thing. I don't have a test grid set up locally for use with 0.9
2016-03-22 15:07 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: Are you getting those errors when starting Robust?
2016-03-22 15:07 <velusunivers-sys> only what i linked on the assets server all other servers are fine and if i change it to normal assets i get no errors
2016-03-22 15:09 <Plugh> That doesn't answer my question. Which program is giving you those error messages?
2016-03-22 15:09 <smxy> What's this 8.3 and 9.0 you folks keep talking about? You'd thing in the dev channel we could at least use proper version numbers, such as 0.8.3 and 0.9.0. OpenSim has not reached even version 1.0 yet. Are you *trying* to confuse newbies? :) As for 0.8.3, I thought 0.8.2.1 was the latest release - did I miss an announcement?
2016-03-22 15:10 <smxy> s/think/thing/
2016-03-22 15:11 <Plugh> smxy: I knew what velusunivers-sys meant so I didn't bother pointing out the error. I have taken some other people to task on that when reporting issues to me and mess up the version number where it has made a difference in knowing which version they were referring to.
2016-03-22 15:12 <Plugh> I've had someone miss the 0 after 0.8 so they referred to 0.8.2 when they mean 0.8.0.2
2016-03-22 15:12 <velusunivers-sys> oh Plugh its the robust that is giving it 
2016-03-22 15:13 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: Ok. I'm just trying to get an idea whether I have to set up a test grid or I can short cut the testing. You get those as soon as you start Robust?
2016-03-22 15:13 <Plugh> If so, that will make it easier for me to test.
2016-03-22 15:13 <velusunivers-sys> yes i do 
2016-03-22 15:14 <Plugh> ok. I should have an old Robust.ini file from the last time I had a local test grid setup. I'll look for it and update it for 0.9
2016-03-22 15:14 <velusunivers-sys> that is the whole log for robust, but i have split my services up so that robust is only the assets server, so in a grid with them all it could be further down
2016-03-22 15:14 <Plugh> ok
2016-03-22 15:16 <Plugh> Found my old Robust.ini file. I need to bring it up to date.
2016-03-22 15:16 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-22 15:17 <Plugh> The file has change a lot
2016-03-22 15:17 <Plugh> changed
2016-03-22 15:20 <velusunivers-sys> i think so lol 
2016-03-22 15:32 <Plugh> I'm just copying my main database that Robust uses so as not to mess up my existing OS test setup.
2016-03-22 15:33 <Plugh> I'll start with standard Robust first to make sure it starts. If it does, I will reconfigure it for FSAssets
2016-03-22 15:34 <velusunivers-sys> ok thanks
2016-03-22 15:37 <Plugh> Robust started without complaints. Switching to fsassets config now.
2016-03-22 15:38 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-22 15:38 <Plugh> Loading default asset set...
2016-03-22 15:39 <Plugh> and it blew up
2016-03-22 15:39 <Plugh> hm... got as far as migrating AuthStore
2016-03-22 15:39 <Plugh> hm... perhaps I need to rebuild. Couldn't find something from mono-2.10
2016-03-22 15:40 <Plugh> Um... what the?
2016-03-22 15:40 <Plugh> It should be using 3.12
2016-03-22 15:41 <velusunivers-sys> are you using the 0.9 from the opensim git git://opensimulator.org....
2016-03-22 15:41 <Plugh> yup. I may not have rebuild master since switching to mono 3.12
2016-03-22 15:41 <Plugh> Last time I built it I was in the middle of applying updates related to SSL
2016-03-22 15:42 <Plugh> yup. lots of red text. I'll test my non fsassets startup.
2016-03-22 15:43 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: yes, FSAssets is rather broken at a fundamental level
2016-03-22 15:43 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-22 15:43 <velusunivers-sys> i thought so i wonder what has happened
2016-03-22 15:44 <Plugh> I'm using mono 3.12.1 and Robust with regular assets starts fine. Configure it for FSAssets and lots of red text
2016-03-22 15:46 <Plugh> hm... one thought is whether it is missing or not using the StorageProvider setting
2016-03-22 15:46 <Plugh> I have monodevelop running on another screen as I had been working on something. Let me open the FSAssets files
2016-03-22 15:50 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-22 15:59 <Plugh> I tried to do a debug session using MD. I get a segfault when it tried to load the FSAssets DLL. I'm not used debugging in MD. I can't figure out how to make it show me the contents of a variable. I'll have to do an internet search and read up on using MD for debugging a program.
2016-03-22 15:59 <Plugh> It is not the most intuitive of programs.
2016-03-22 16:00 <velusunivers-sys> yeah i know 
2016-03-22 16:01 <velusunivers-sys> i noticed that Melanie_ had doen some work on it recently somethign to do with chicken bones ? 
2016-03-22 16:01 <Plugh> Looking at the code again it failed trying to load the dll specified by the DatabaseService section
2016-03-22 16:07 <Plugh> The code is failing when it tries to establish a database connection
2016-03-22 16:09 <velusunivers-sys> could it be this file that has a fault on it OpenSim/Data/MySQL/MySQLFSAssetData.cs
2016-03-22 16:19 <velusunivers-sys> Plugh, should i put in a bug report?
2016-03-22 16:20 <Plugh> Yes. I have to go for lunch soon. I'll keep digging until I have to go afk.
2016-03-22 16:20 <velusunivers-sys> ok will do
2016-03-22 16:25 <Ken_Savage> If you file a bug report (which you should), I'll be happy to chime in.
2016-03-22 16:27 <Plugh> One possibility is that there might be an error in the MySQLFSAssetData.cs file.
2016-03-22 16:27 <Plugh> I was starting to compare it to MySQLAssetData.cs but I just ran out of time (for now). My lunch is ready.
2016-03-22 16:28 <Plugh> If someone else wants to have a look and compare the two files they are under OpenSim/Data/MySQL
2016-03-22 16:28 <Plugh> bbl
2016-03-22 16:31 <osmantis> Bug #7855:04 fsassets service not working in the dev code 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7855 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-22 16:33 <velusunivers-sys> Ken_Savage, i have just done a report now, Plugh Melanie_ has done some changes to it lately i seen in the git on opensimulator.org git but i dont understand thge code to know what has changed and if that is the problem.
2016-03-22 16:38 <osmantis> Bug #7853:04 ubODE fails when “sculpt animation” is used. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7853 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-22 16:50 <smxy> Melanie's changes were to bring in some fixes to FSAssets that were present in the version OSGrid was using, but not in Core.
2016-03-22 16:51 <velusunivers-sys> in the git log it seems that mel was the last to alter the fsassets
2016-03-22 17:07 <Plugh> ok, I've fixed the initial migration step.
2016-03-22 17:08 <Plugh> It looks as if some lines of code went missing during some of the recent changes/refactoring.
2016-03-22 17:22 <Plugh> There is another bug I should file. When a migration step fails the migrations table still gets updated.
2016-03-22 17:24 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: If you want to have a go at the first step in fixing the problem you have, open the file OpenSim/Data/MySQL/MySQLFSAssetData.cs and go down to line 78.
2016-03-22 17:24 <Plugh> Add "conn.Open()" right before the line "Migration m = new Migration(...)"
2016-03-22 17:28 <Plugh> and don't forget the ; at the end of the line. :)
2016-03-22 17:30 <velusunivers-sys> for got that lol im currently doing the build so will errroe#r
2016-03-22 17:32 <velusunivers-sys> fixed and building now will do a simple test in a second
2016-03-22 17:32 <Plugh> There still seems to be another problem. It completes the migration, I have an fsassets table, but I get errors that it could not find the column "access_time".
2016-03-22 17:33 <velusunivers-sys> maybe there is a problem in the migation table
2016-03-22 17:34 <Plugh> no, more likely an error in executing a sql query
2016-03-22 17:36 <velusunivers-sys> ok its working now but throwing errors
2016-03-22 17:37 <Plugh> I think I found the next problem. Testing it now
2016-03-22 17:37 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-22 17:38 <Plugh> yup. Found another error.
2016-03-22 17:38 <Plugh> open that same file as last time.
2016-03-22 17:39 <osmantis> Bug #7855:04 fsassets service not working in the dev code 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7855 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-22 17:39 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-22 17:39 <Plugh> Go to line 154
2016-03-22 17:40 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-22 17:40 <Plugh> That line should read "cmd.CommandText = String.Format("select id, name, description  ..."
2016-03-22 17:40 <Plugh> where it says "asset_flags from" change that to "asset_flags, access_time from"
2016-03-22 17:41 <Plugh> Save and rebuild
2016-03-22 17:42 <Plugh> That's as far as I can take it. My system is throwing an error about not being able to find mono-2.10/mono-2.10/libMonoPosixHelper.so which doesn't make sense as I'm not using mono-2.10
2016-03-22 17:42 <velusunivers-sys> it hard altering files in nano on ubuntu its got no line numbers but i have done it and building
2016-03-22 17:42 <Plugh> It may be an artifact left over from when I had bootstrapped a mono build starting with 2.10
2016-03-22 17:43 <Plugh> ok
2016-03-22 17:43 <Plugh> Use vi. You could have told it to jump right to that line. :)
2016-03-22 17:43 <velusunivers-sys> its ok i like nano 
2016-03-22 17:43 <Plugh> nano won't show you what line you are on?
2016-03-22 17:44 <velusunivers-sys> nope but i just do a simple open the git with the file that shows the line numbers then scrool down looking for something that is close to it then go slow to the point
2016-03-22 17:45 <Plugh> I couldn't use an editor that doesn't show me somewhere on the screen the line I'm on.
2016-03-22 17:45 <Plugh> yea, wow. No line number in nano. That sucks.
2016-03-22 17:47 <Plugh> When code tosses out that you have an error in line blah of file foo, I want to be able to open file foo and jump right to line blah. If I can't do that basic operation, I wouldn't use the editor.
2016-03-22 17:47 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: How goes the build?
2016-03-22 17:48 <velusunivers-sys> its built but its saying about the column acess_time
2016-03-22 17:48 <Plugh> It still complains?
2016-03-22 17:48 <velusunivers-sys> spelt it wronf lol my fault changeing now
2016-03-22 17:49 <Plugh> ok. If you want to be sure you are in the right place, you should be in the routine -> public AssetMetadata Get (...)
2016-03-22 17:50 <velusunivers-sys> yes i was in there i had put acess_time and not access_time
2016-03-22 17:50 <velusunivers-sys> fixed and rebuilding now
2016-03-22 17:50 <Plugh> ok, np. Just wanted to help you know you were adding it in the right place since you don't have line numbers
2016-03-22 17:52 <Plugh> what the? I had the wrong sym link to mono  :P
2016-03-22 17:53 <Plugh> hm... I don't have 3.12 installed??  I need to look at what's going on on my machine.
2016-03-22 17:53 <osmantis> Bug #7838:04 osGetSimulatorMemory does not work over 2gb 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7838 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-22 17:53 <velusunivers-sys> its worked thanks plugh i will add this to the system
2016-03-22 17:53 <velusunivers-sys> mantis system
2016-03-22 17:53 <Plugh> ok. I can commit the changes.
2016-03-22 17:53 <velusunivers-sys> Ken_Savage, did you see what plugh wrote
2016-03-22 17:54 <velusunivers-sys> plugh can you do the changes on git? 
2016-03-22 17:54 <Plugh> yes
2016-03-22 17:54 <velusunivers-sys> ok thanks so other people can get them like Ken_Savage 
2016-03-22 17:54 <Plugh> not right now. I have to go chair the weekly OS developer meeting which starts in about 5 minutes.
2016-03-22 17:55 <osmantis> Bug #7855:04 fsassets service not working in the dev code 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7855 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-22 17:55 <Plugh> I might be able to do it during the meeting. I just need to write the change log entry
2016-03-22 17:55 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-22 17:55 <velusunivers-sys> i have updated the mantis now
2016-03-22 17:57 <Plugh> bah. I should have make sure my mono 3.12 source was up to date before I started the build.
2016-03-22 17:59 <osmantis> Bug #7855:04 fsassets service not working in the dev code 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7855 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2016-03-22 17:59 <velusunivers-sys> plugh who is 	kcozens on the mantis?
2016-03-22 18:00 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: that would be me
2016-03-22 18:00 <velusunivers-sys> ok lol i was worried someone was jumping on your fixes lol
2016-03-22 18:03 <Dev_Random> velusunivers-sys: nano supports line number with the "-c" option...  nano -c [file]
2016-03-22 18:03 <velusunivers-sys> ok didnt know that
2016-03-22 18:03 <Plugh> there ya go. I figured there should be some way to make it show line numbers
2016-03-22 18:04 <Plugh> even if it was just one at the bottom of the screen
2016-03-22 18:04 <velusunivers-sys> but it still works well so not to bad then lol
2016-03-22 18:07 <velusunivers-sys> now back to the whole grid system i want to make sure i have everything working now with it being split lol
2016-03-22 18:21 <velusunivers-sys> there seems to be another issue i get when i try to add a user i get 14:12:54 - Command error: MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlException: Table 'opensim.UserAccounts' doesn't exist i have useraccounts not UserAccounts and it does not have the active on it like the migrations 
2016-03-22 18:21 <velusunivers-sys> i think i found the error now one sec and ill check it then send updates
2016-03-22 18:34 <velusunivers-sys> ok maybe not, but its looking for UserAccounts but i have useraccounts
2016-03-22 18:40 <velusunivers-sys> i think i have found it now it seems to be in migrations
2016-03-22 18:40 <velusunivers-sys> just testing it
2016-03-22 18:43 <velusunivers-sys> yep fixed it it seems that on UserAccounts.migrations in mysql it is creating table useraccounts but the system is loking for UserAccounts i have fixed it on my end but im not sure if you guys can do it your end im going to look see if its the same in pgsql and others
2016-03-22 18:46 <velusunivers-sys> ok the PGSQL needs to add the active to the system too as that dont have it  i will create a mantis now
2016-03-22 18:54 <osmantis> Bug #7856:04 create user throws an error about UserAccounts table not found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7856 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-22 18:55 <velusunivers-sys> Plugh, i have found another but and fixed it my self just done a mantis
2016-03-22 18:57 <velusunivers-sys> but i think i have a problem with my setup atm
2016-03-22 18:57 <velusunivers-sys> with the split services
2016-03-22 18:58 <velusunivers-sys> Dev_Random, you about?
2016-03-22 19:03 <Melanie_> that fixes the two fsassets things mentioned
2016-03-22 19:07 <velusunivers-sys> thanks Melanie_ can you look at the useracounts problem please i have fixed it my self on my end and put how i fixed it on the mantis system and also pointed out another problem with the pgsql, and thanks again Melanie_ 
2016-03-22 19:07 <Plugh> aww... I didn't get to make the changes. 
2016-03-22 19:08 <velusunivers-sys> also Melanie_ can you help me with the split services as i seem to have a problem with it or maybe you plugh
2016-03-22 19:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #4611 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-03-22 19:09 <velusunivers-sys> thanks Melanie_ 
2016-03-22 19:09 <Melanie_> i can't test pgsql so i can't do anything on that
2016-03-22 19:10 <velusunivers-sys> ok its just a simple add an alter table to the migrations 
2016-03-22 19:10 <Melanie_> in that case i need a fully tested patch
2016-03-22 19:11 <Melanie_> i just can't test it so i can't put it in unless someone else vouches for it
2016-03-22 19:11 <velusunivers-sys> ok i dont have pgsql so i cant 
2016-03-22 19:11 <velusunivers-sys> ok i will see if i can do one my self
2016-03-22 19:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4611: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4611/
2016-03-22 19:15 <osjenkins> melanie: Fix some artefacts that came from merging the OSGrid code.
2016-03-22 19:15 <Melanie_> if you can't test it we can't take it
2016-03-22 19:17 <AliciaRaven> thats strange mysql has never been case sensitive on table names in my experience
2016-03-22 19:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #4612 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-03-22 19:18 <Melanie_> AliciaRaven: it's always been case sensitive on table names
2016-03-22 19:19 <Melanie_> but not on column names
2016-03-22 19:19 <Dev_Random> AliciaRaven: It's a Linux thing.  Tables use filenames, which are case-sensitive.
2016-03-22 19:19 <AliciaRaven> google says "Database and table names are not case sensitive in Windows, and case sensitive in most varieties of Unix"
2016-03-22 19:21 <AliciaRaven> looking at my db it seems my windows database has lower case table names even tho the code uses uppercase, and on linux the db has the uppercase same as the code
2016-03-22 19:23 <Melanie_> the migration stuff was last touched by diva who tests on windows iirc
2016-03-22 19:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4612: SUCCESS in 5 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4612/
2016-03-22 19:23 <osjenkins> melanie: Change casing on UserAccounts
2016-03-22 19:24 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: I was reminded at todays meeting there are four mantis reports with some fixes for PostgreSQL
2016-03-22 19:25 <velusunivers-sys> i just put one up my self im doing a test now on one
2016-03-22 19:25 <Plugh> I was going to look at them and if nothing look too out of the ordinary trust that the person has properly tested those changes.
2016-03-22 19:26 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: Look at mantis 7610, 7843, 7845, and 7846
2016-03-22 19:26 <velusunivers-sys> ok will do also plugh if i have changed a .migrations file do i need to rebuild
2016-03-22 19:29 <velusunivers-sys> plugh has 7610 patch been aded alread?
2016-03-22 19:29 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: I don't seen those files as separate entities in the bin directory so I'd say you should recompile.
2016-03-22 19:30 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: Gavin asked if someone had looked at the PostgreSQL patches. I don't think anyone has so I doubt any patches attached to those issues have been applied.
2016-03-22 19:31 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-22 19:31 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: If you are happy that FSAssets is working you can close mantis 7855
2016-03-22 19:32 <velusunivers-sys> yes its working and im happy
2016-03-22 19:32 <Plugh> I need to build myself a newer mono. Perhaps I should just skip trying to build 3.12 and jump to 4.2
2016-03-22 19:33 <Plugh> Melanie_: Have you seen report 7838?
2016-03-22 19:33 <Melanie_> no
2016-03-22 19:34 <Plugh> The summary is osGetSimulatorMemory does not work over 2gb.
2016-03-22 19:34 <Melanie_> yes
2016-03-22 19:34 <Melanie_> i don't see why that function is needed at all 
2016-03-22 19:35 <Melanie_> what use does it have?
2016-03-22 19:36 <Plugh> The wiki indicates it returns the amount of memory used by the OS instance.
2016-03-22 19:37 <Plugh> Probably one more function for showing some stats about a region.
2016-03-22 19:44 <Plugh> In LSL what is the size of "integer"?
2016-03-22 19:44 <Melanie_> 32 bits
2016-03-22 19:45 <Melanie_> and there is no wider type
2016-03-22 19:45 <Plugh> ok.
2016-03-22 19:45 <Melanie_> IMHO, that sort of function should not exist
2016-03-22 19:45 <Melanie_> the current issue with it being a case in point
2016-03-22 19:45 <Melanie_> there are http calls for simulator stats
2016-03-22 19:45 <Melanie_> they have all this info and don't suffer from over/underflows
2016-03-22 19:46 <Melanie_> LSL should not be interested in the sim data
2016-03-22 19:46 <Melanie_> it's dead easy to make a call to json stats if one wants to know this info
2016-03-22 19:46 <velusunivers-sys> plugh i cant check the patches for it
2016-03-22 19:46 <Plugh> So people wanting to have a sim stats board in there regions will have to change them to do HTTP calls in order to get the stats?
2016-03-22 19:47 <Melanie_> Plugh: that is definitely the better option compared with all that dumb lsl functions mess
2016-03-22 19:47 <Plugh> ah, 32 bit allows up to 4G but it is a signed value so that makes it a limit of 2GB.
2016-03-22 19:47 <Melanie_> all the data is there. these osFunctions were just written because HTTP Is scary
2016-03-22 19:48 <Plugh> It isn't hard to do HTTP queries but some people can some people just copy a few lines of LSL written by someone else.
2016-03-22 19:49 <Melanie_> i would just as soon rip those osfunctions out
2016-03-22 19:49 <Melanie_> as architectures change and scales go up, they will be no end of trouble
2016-03-22 19:49 <Plugh> The reply to that report will be won't fix as there isn't anything we can do to have it return more than a 2G value tops.
2016-03-22 19:49 <Melanie_> but people use them and it's never been our plicy to remove what is in use
2016-03-22 19:50 <velusunivers-sys> Melanie_, iu have just checked the problem i mentioned and the fix is just adding ALTER TABLE UserAccounts ADD "active" intiger NOT NULL DEFAULT 1; to the migrations for the pgsql on useraccounts
2016-03-22 19:50 <Plugh> It could be another can of worms but another option would be if the memory usage is > 2GB a message could be generated on teh debug console
2016-03-22 19:50 <velusunivers-sys> i have just checked it now
2016-03-22 19:53 <velusunivers-sys> Plugh, you any good at splitting services on sepreate servers?
2016-03-22 19:53 <Plugh> Melanie_: I will add a note to the OSSL function info stating it can't return a value > 2GB and that you should request jsonSimStats to get the real memory usage.
2016-03-22 19:53 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: I have never tried
2016-03-22 19:54 <velusunivers-sys> is there a delete user command
2016-03-22 19:56 <Melanie_> velusunivers-sys: no. users can't be deleted
2016-03-22 19:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #4613 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-03-22 19:56 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-22 19:56 <Melanie_> the UserAccounts table is used to establish the names of object/item creators
2016-03-22 19:56 <Melanie_> deleting records from it would make the creator become "unknown user"
2016-03-22 19:56 <Plugh> I wonder if that commit is going to mess up being able to apply the patches attached to those mantis 
2016-03-22 19:57 <Melanie_> you can manually delete users you created during testing but an operational grid should set active to 0 on the users that are "deleted"
2016-03-22 19:57 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-22 19:57 <Melanie_> on 0.9, active == 0 means a user will not be found in the avatar picker
2016-03-22 19:58 <Melanie_> however, the profile is still available if you reach it from a group the user is still in or from an object they created
2016-03-22 19:58 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-22 19:58 <Melanie_> this is consistent with SL
2016-03-22 20:00 <velusunivers-sys> Melanie_, will you be able to help me with the split services, for some reason the create user does not update the inventry and such
2016-03-22 20:00 <Melanie_> i've given you all the pointers i have of the top of my head
2016-03-22 20:00 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: You had everything working before you split the services?
2016-03-22 20:01 <velusunivers-sys> and mantis 7856 can be done as ficed
2016-03-22 20:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4613: SUCCESS in 5 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4613/
2016-03-22 20:01 <osjenkins> melanie: Add migration to add "active" column on PGSQL. UNTESTED!
2016-03-22 20:01 <velusunivers-sys> Melanie_,  i have tested that and it works
2016-03-22 20:02 <velusunivers-sys> the pgsql btw
2016-03-22 20:02 <osmantis> Bug #7856:04 create user throws an error about UserAccounts table not found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7856 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-03-22 20:02 <velusunivers-sys> and i have done what it says but i may have a minor problem somewhere can you look at the configs and see if there is something i have missed
2016-03-22 20:03 <Melanie_> velusunivers-sys: i can't really test your configs but you can pastebin them and i'll look over them
2016-03-22 20:03 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-22 20:03 <Melanie_> but if i have to go in depth you're getting into "paid work" territory
2016-03-22 20:06 <velusunivers-sys> http://pastebin.com/1FVFgA0M this is assets service gonfig
2016-03-22 20:06 <Plugh> great. Melanie pushed the FSAssets fixes so it has caused a git merge conflict at my end.
2016-03-22 20:06 <Plugh> :P
2016-03-22 20:08 <Plugh> oh. Melanie's version used tabs instead of spaces for the conn.Open() line.
2016-03-22 20:08 <Plugh> or one of the versions does.
2016-03-22 20:08 <osmantis> Bug #7838:04 osGetSimulatorMemory does not work over 2gb 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7838 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-22 20:09 <Melanie_> velusunivers-sys: Comment the FallBackService unless you're actually using it
2016-03-22 20:09 <velusunivers-sys> http://pastebin.com/HguksfXV is the login and gird servies
2016-03-22 20:09 <velusunivers-sys> yeah i will do now 
2016-03-22 20:10 <Plugh> After I resolve the changes I have to git add the file. What command is next to let it continue the merge.
2016-03-22 20:10 <Melanie_> comment the AssetLoader stuff after the first run to save time; it only loads the same old assets each time and fails because they already exist, so no need to keep doing that on every startup
2016-03-22 20:10 <Melanie_> Plugh: git commit 
2016-03-22 20:10 <Melanie_> youhave to commit the done merge
2016-03-22 20:11 <Plugh> That requires a commit message. That would mean I have an extra commit in my tree vs upstream.
2016-03-22 20:12 <velusunivers-sys> http://pastebin.com/UWLpXi4e the inventry config
2016-03-22 20:13 <Melanie_> velusunivers-sys: is this a typo? InventryServiceURI = "inventry.openvirtuallife.com:8003"
2016-03-22 20:13 <Melanie_> look at the url
2016-03-22 20:13 <Melanie_> missing an "o"?
2016-03-22 20:13 <velusunivers-sys> no its not i spelt it wrong on the main dns
2016-03-22 20:13 <Melanie_> ok
2016-03-22 20:14 <Melanie_> regardless, where did yo get that option from?
2016-03-22 20:14 <Melanie_> it doesn't exist int he code base
2016-03-22 20:14 <Melanie_> [root@grid-e opensim-work]# grep -rl "InventoryServiceURI" .
2016-03-22 20:14 <Melanie_> [root@grid-e opensim-work]# 
2016-03-22 20:14 <Melanie_> no match
2016-03-22 20:14 <Dev_Random> "InventryServiceURI" might want that "o"
2016-03-22 20:14 <Melanie_> did you invent it?
2016-03-22 20:14 <Dev_Random> heh
2016-03-22 20:14 <velusunivers-sys> no i thought it would be that, what would it be then?
2016-03-22 20:15 <Melanie_> there are no such options. it is somewhat more complex
2016-03-22 20:15 <Melanie_> there is also no such option for assets
2016-03-22 20:15 <Melanie_> but that is ok
2016-03-22 20:15 <Melanie_> the login service doesn't access assets
2016-03-22 20:15 <Melanie_> assets are completely standalone
2016-03-22 20:15 <velusunivers-sys> arh i see its InvetoryServerURI
2016-03-22 20:16 <Plugh> now you missed the n
2016-03-22 20:16 <Plugh> :)
2016-03-22 20:16 <velusunivers-sys> yesh i noticed after i pressed enter
2016-03-22 20:16 <Melanie_> setting that still will not access a remote server
2016-03-22 20:17 <Melanie_> you MUST have a LocalServiceModule
2016-03-22 20:17 <velusunivers-sys> ok? im confused now
2016-03-22 20:18 <Plugh> I really hate git at times. Stupid programs says I can't reset in middle of a merge but then tells me there is no merge to abort. grrr
2016-03-22 20:19 <Melanie_> LocalServiceModule = "OpenSim.Services.Connectors.dll:XInventoryServicesConnector"
2016-03-22 20:19 <Melanie_> see?
2016-03-22 20:19 <Melanie_> you have to tell it to use the remote connector as it's local module
2016-03-22 20:19 <Melanie_> IT then uses the URI
2016-03-22 20:19 <Melanie_> that closes the chain
2016-03-22 20:19 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-22 20:19 <Melanie_> same for any other service that is remote
2016-03-22 20:20 <velusunivers-sys> it says to do that under [login]
2016-03-22 20:20 <Melanie_> Plugh: git reset --hard always works but loses your local changes
2016-03-22 20:20 <Plugh> I know. That's why I'm very careful about using git reset. It has caused me to lose work in the past.
2016-03-22 20:21 <Plugh> I used gitk to reset to an earlier point in mixed mode. Resets index but leaves code changes alone
2016-03-22 20:21 <Melanie_> velusunivers-sys: correct
2016-03-22 20:21 <Melanie_> velusunivers-sys: InventoryService = "OpenSim.Services.Connectors.dll:XInventoryServiceConnector"
2016-03-22 20:21 <Melanie_> motice something?
2016-03-22 20:21 <Melanie_> like a missing "s" ?
2016-03-22 20:21 <velusunivers-sys> which line?
2016-03-22 20:22 <Melanie_> 423
2016-03-22 20:22 <Melanie_> Services, not Service
2016-03-22 20:22 <velusunivers-sys> yeh i see
2016-03-22 20:22 <Melanie_> that'll make it fail every time 
2016-03-22 20:22 <velusunivers-sys> is that on login config
2016-03-22 20:23 <Melanie_> yes
2016-03-22 20:23 <Melanie_> and i think that is the one error that made it not work
2016-03-22 20:24 <velusunivers-sys> ok what about the other configs? im changing *serviceURI to *ServerURI
2016-03-22 20:26 <Melanie_> i didn't even check the inventory one because i believe we found the issue 
2016-03-22 20:26 <Melanie_> so now it's for you to test
2016-03-22 20:38 <Plugh> Melanie_: You added a second ObjectGiveMoney() routine to OpenCurrency() in getting it to compile in the git master source tree. When does that function get used versus the original one? AFAIK, a script in an object is the only way for an object to give money and there is only one LsL call for that.
2016-03-22 20:39 <velusunivers-sys> ok tried it but still now working its not updating the inventory folders when i create a user
2016-03-22 20:39 <Plugh> Do you see any error messages?
2016-03-22 20:40 <velusunivers-sys> no
2016-03-22 20:40 <velusunivers-sys> it creates the user but not the assets
2016-03-22 20:40 <velusunivers-sys> and the inventory
2016-03-22 20:40 <Plugh> Not on the instance or on the inventory service side?
2016-03-22 20:41 <velusunivers-sys> nope nothing
2016-03-22 20:42 <velusunivers-sys> and when i start up the servers none of them is showing anything when im starting them
2016-03-22 20:42 <Plugh> Are user inventory records created by usercreate or only when the user logs in for first time?
2016-03-22 20:42 <velusunivers-sys> how do i check? where would it be on robust
2016-03-22 20:43 <velusunivers-sys>  CreateDefaultAvatarEntries = true
2016-03-22 20:43 <velusunivers-sys> but i will try and log in one sec i need to create a region
2016-03-22 20:48 <velusunivers-sys> its not even created an avatar but i will check the login now
2016-03-22 20:48 <velusunivers-sys> brb going to get some food though
2016-03-22 21:01 <Plugh> Melanie_: I'll get your answer later. I'm going to take a break before dinner. bbl.
2016-03-22 21:14 <osmantis> Bug #7849:04 Console command: land show doesn't show correct owner's name of the parcel, when parcel is owned by group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7849 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-22 21:15 <osmantis> Bug #7849:04 Console command: land show doesn't show correct owner's name of the parcel, when parcel is owned by group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7849 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-03-22 21:38 <osmantis> Bug #7857:04 Estate Manager can't set parcel for sale, after reclamijng it to the estate owner, unless uses god power. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7857 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-22 21:38 <osmantis> Bug #7857:04 Estate Manager can't set parcel for sale, after reclaming it to the estate owner, unless uses god power. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7857 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-03-22 21:42 <osmantis> Bug #7857:04 Estate Manager can't set parcel for sale, after reclaming it to the estate owner, unless uses god power. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7857 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-03-22 21:52 <velusunivers-sys> grrr there seems to be a lot of problems in 0.9 mysql like im now getting cann not find Presence as 0.9 has created it as presence instead 
2016-03-22 21:55 <velusunivers-sys> wb Plugh im anoyed now, im getting errors when creating a region i.e the system is trying to find Presence but it has presence there seems to be a lot of update probelms
2016-03-22 21:56 <velusunivers-sys> the mysql problems with the db no offence seem to of been done by deva
2016-03-22 21:56 <velusunivers-sys> diva
2016-03-22 22:02 <Melanie_> yes
2016-03-22 22:02 <Melanie_> and she's on windows
2016-03-22 22:02 <Melanie_> Plugh: There are two ways to pay
2016-03-22 22:02 <Melanie_> llGiveMoney and llTransferLindenDollars
2016-03-22 22:02 <Melanie_> Plugh: The new variant handles the llTransferLindenDollars case
2016-03-22 22:03 <Plugh> oh, I didn't remember about the second one.
2016-03-22 22:03 <Melanie_> in which there is a return value (event) and the transaction id is significant
2016-03-22 22:03 <Plugh> That would explain some of the things I saw in that routine.
2016-03-22 22:04 <Melanie_> i copied that from avination
2016-03-22 22:04 <Melanie_> so the code should be correct
2016-03-22 22:04 <velusunivers-sys> im working on windows aswel but servers are linus
2016-03-22 22:05 <velusunivers-sys> linux
2016-03-22 22:05 <Plugh> Melanie_: ok, ty. 
2016-03-22 22:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #4614 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-03-22 22:06 <Plugh> There ya go. I didn't even get to look before it gets fixed. :)
2016-03-22 22:06 <osmantis> Bug #7849:04 Console command: land show doesn't show correct owner's name of the parcel, when parcel is owned by group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7849 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-22 22:08 <velusunivers-sys> Melanie_, the inventory is still not working
2016-03-22 22:08 <Melanie_> check your log. it should not fail silently
2016-03-22 22:08 <velusunivers-sys> ok one sec
2016-03-22 22:08 <Melanie_> also, it should only create inventory t first login
2016-03-22 22:08 <Melanie_> create user doesn't create an inventory
2016-03-22 22:09 <velusunivers-sys> when i login i get this the inventory service is not responding
2016-03-22 22:10 <Melanie_> then check if there are any dll load errors when you start up the login service robust
2016-03-22 22:10 <Melanie_> also double check the URI
2016-03-22 22:10 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-22 22:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4614: SUCCESS in 5 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4614/
2016-03-22 22:11 <osjenkins> melanie: Correct the case of the Presence table
2016-03-22 22:19 <velusunivers-sys> the inventory uri is correct in the console its saying unable to retrive user inventory
2016-03-22 22:21 <velusunivers-sys> im at a complete loss atm
2016-03-22 22:23 <Plugh> Database user permissions incorrect? Firewall issue? Typo in the settings?
2016-03-22 22:28 <velusunivers-sys> yes and no
2016-03-22 22:28 <velusunivers-sys> the tables are created so the db is fine
2016-03-22 22:33 <velusunivers-sys> im going to see if the ip works better or try putting in with out http?
2016-03-22 22:39 <velusunivers-sys> plugh this is what i get i put in with http:// infront of the uri http://pastebin.com/DeKsdFfu
2016-03-22 22:46 <velusunivers-sys> i think its a problem with the inventory system
2016-03-22 22:47 <velusunivers-sys> Melanie_, can you look at the inventory config please see if there is a problem with it ?
2016-03-22 22:48 <velusunivers-sys> i have changed all the *serviceuri to *serveruri
2016-03-22 22:55 <velusunivers-sys> if i put it back to http:// i get nothing but silent fails somewhere
2016-03-22 22:56 <velusunivers-sys> Melanie_, how much do you charge for setting up ?
2016-03-22 23:02 <osmantis> Bug #7849:04 Console command: land show doesn't show correct owner's name of the parcel, when parcel is owned by group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7849 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-22 23:04 <velusunivers-sys> AliciaRaven, you about?
2016-03-22 23:05 <osmantis> Bug #7849:04 Console command: land show doesn't show correct owner's name of the parcel, when parcel is owned by group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7849 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-22 23:08 <osmantis> Bug #7849:04 Console command: land show doesn't show correct owner's name of the parcel, when parcel is owned by group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7849 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-22 23:09 <velusunivers-sys> danbanner, you about
2016-03-22 23:13 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: Is that another typo? That first line mentioned xinventory. In the ini files it is XInventory. The first two letters are capitalized.
2016-03-22 23:13 <velusunivers-sys> where is that?
2016-03-22 23:14 <Plugh> Several places. Robust.ini for one.
2016-03-22 23:14 <velusunivers-sys> they are capped in them 
2016-03-22 23:14 <Plugh> Check the spelling you use on the settings if you aren't cutting and pasting lines or just uncommenting a line. Make sure you stick to the same mix of upper and lowercase letters.
2016-03-22 23:15 <velusunivers-sys> i cant see any mixes in it?
2016-03-22 23:16 <Plugh> XInventoryService has three upper case letters and the rest are lower case.
2016-03-22 23:17 <velusunivers-sys> yes and thats what they are in the ini
2016-03-22 23:18 <Plugh> You had everything running just fine before you decide to split services to different servers?
2016-03-22 23:19 <Plugh> s/decide/decided/
2016-03-22 23:19 <velusunivers-sys> not really i just went to split
2016-03-22 23:20 <velusunivers-sys> well i went ot split on these servers 
2016-03-22 23:20 <Plugh> Have you set up many grids before? If not, I would suggest you start with the services running on one machine. Make sure that works first then you can start splitting things up.
2016-03-22 23:21 <velusunivers-sys> i have set up a lot of servers
2016-03-22 23:23 <Plugh> I was specifically asking about if you had set up full grids before. That involved servers and the services to run on them. There is a lot to getting Open Simulator up and running. All it takes is missing one detail for there to be a problem.
2016-03-22 23:23 <Plugh> If Inventory isn't working I would check your inventory settings in both Robust and in the OpenSim instances.
2016-03-22 23:24 <velusunivers-sys> yes i have set up opensim servers before, in grid mode 
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2016-03-22 23:25 <Plugh> ok, good. Some people like to jump in to the deep end first. If you have done grids before you know some of the traps you can run in to.
2016-03-22 23:25 <velusunivers-sys> yeah i know
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2016-03-22 23:29 <velusunivers-sys> checked all configs and they seem fine 
2016-03-22 23:30 <velusunivers-sys> i will tackle this tomorrow as its 11:30 pm now
2016-03-22 23:30 <velusunivers-sys> and going to bed
2016-03-22 23:31 <Plugh> How did you tell OpenSim which server is running the inventory services?
2016-03-22 23:31 <Plugh> oh, ok. night velusunivers-sys
2016-03-22 23:32 <velusunivers-sys> yes i did 
2016-03-22 23:32 <Plugh> I'm guessing that you included the IP or domain name before the port address
2016-03-22 23:33 <velusunivers-sys> yes
2016-03-22 23:33 <Plugh> ok. Perhaps its a syntax issue.
2016-03-22 23:33 <velusunivers-sys> in the gridcommon.ini
2016-03-22 23:33 <velusunivers-sys> the inventory service is running but they dont seem to be talking
2016-03-22 23:35 <Plugh> No firewall to worry about?
2016-03-22 23:35 <velusunivers-sys> nope i can access the server i.e http://inventry.openvirtuallife.com:8003
2016-03-22 23:35 <Plugh> ok
2016-03-22 23:37 <Plugh> The wiki only has information about running multiple instances of Robust on a single machine, afaik. That's not all that helpful in this situation
2016-03-22 23:37 <velusunivers-sys> i have looked at it 
2016-03-22 23:38 <Plugh> Best to leave it for tonight. You'll probably wake up tomorrow and immediately spot your mistake. :)
2016-03-22 23:52 <velusunivers-sys> im going to sleep see you in the morning
2016-03-22 23:52 <velusunivers-sys> night all
2016-03-22 23:52 <osmantis> Bug #7849:04 Console command: land show doesn't show correct owner's name of the parcel, when parcel is owned by group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7849 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-22 23:54 <velusunivers-sys> danbanner, you about
2016-03-22 23:54 <danbanner> hey velusunivers-sys
2016-03-22 23:54 <velusunivers-sys> have you ever set up a split service server?
2016-03-22 23:55 <danbanner> not on different servers
2016-03-22 23:55 <velusunivers-sys> but have you set up split services on one server?
2016-03-22 23:55 <osmantis> Bug #7849:04 Console command: land show doesn't show correct owner's name of the parcel, when parcel is owned by group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7849 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-22 23:55 <danbanner> i have not in a long time
2016-03-22 23:56 <velusunivers-sys> can you look over my configs and see if you can spot a problem i cant please
2016-03-22 23:59 <danbanner> i dont really have too much time atm
2016-03-22 23:59 <velusunivers-sys> ok i will figure it out tomorrow then
2016-03-22 23:59 <velusunivers-sys> night
2016-03-23 02:34 <osmantis> Bug #7849:04 Console command: land show doesn't show correct owner's name of the parcel, when parcel is owned by group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7849 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-03-23 11:07 <osmantis> Bug #7856:04 create user throws an error about UserAccounts table not found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7856 ): has been REOPENED.
2016-03-23 11:20 <osmantis> Bug #7856:04 create user throws an error about UserAccounts table not found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7856 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-23 12:18 <osmantis> Bug #7849:04 Console command: land show doesn't show correct owner's name of the parcel, when parcel is owned by group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7849 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-23 15:47 <Ken_Savage> At one time, the materials list in the viewer showed a list with wood, glass, metal, etc.
2016-03-23 15:47 <Ken_Savage> But now the choice is simply media.  Anyone know when or why this changed?
2016-03-23 16:34 <Plugh> Ken_Savage: Sounds like a question for a viewer dev. Are you sure you are looking in the right place? You could try a different viewer
2016-03-23 16:35 <osmantis> Bug #7856:04 create user throws an error about UserAccounts table not found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7856 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-23 16:42 <velusunivers-sys> Plugh, beeen looking at it again and still cant see whats the probelm
2016-03-23 17:07 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: Pastebin your ini files. Just remember to hide your passwords before you paste them.
2016-03-23 17:07 <velusunivers-sys> they are the same as what i sent lasttime
2016-03-23 17:08 <Plugh> Only other suggestion is to run the separate Robusts on the same physical server and get that running before you put the services on to different machines.
2016-03-23 17:08 <velusunivers-sys> ok im gonna try that now, 
2016-03-23 17:09 <Plugh> When you get that working at least you know the basic setup is correct. After that it will be a matter of changing some references to point to other machines.
2016-03-23 17:09 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-23 17:12 <osmantis> Bug #7856:04 create user throws an error about UserAccounts table not found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7856 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-23 17:16 <osmantis> Bug #7849:04 Console command: land show doesn't show correct owner's name of the parcel, when parcel is owned by group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7849 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-23 17:17 <osmantis> Bug #7856:04 create user throws an error about UserAccounts table not found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7856 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-03-23 17:17 <velusunivers-sys> Plugh, ? is there any way of putting in a user name in the welcome message when logging on? i.e welcome {user} to ..... ?
2016-03-23 17:21 <Plugh> I just took at look at the code. Use "<USERNAME>"
2016-03-23 17:21 <velusunivers-sys> ok will do thanks
2016-03-23 17:57 <velusunivers-sys> plugh is there any way of searching for a region using something like http://domain.com:8002{3}/
2016-03-23 18:11 <velusunivers-sys> ok im finding a lot of problems with the mysql now and the mysql for the useraccounts dont seem fixed either?
2016-03-23 18:12 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-23 18:15 <Ken_Savage> Other than Media, nothing is listed in the materials list anymore using any viewer I have.
2016-03-23 18:20 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-23 18:36 <Plugh> Ken_Savage: I haven't used Materials. I don't know if you have to do something first to enable more options, if it is only for mesh objects, or whether OS provides the list of materials.
2016-03-23 18:37 <Ken_Savage> I think it is only for physical objects.
2016-03-23 18:38 <Ken_Savage> It determines the sound when a collision happens and also how the object bounces
2016-03-23 18:39 <Ken_Savage> ie, a prim set to physical and rubber material bounces higher and longer when dropped than one set to stone.
2016-03-23 18:50 <Plugh> Ken_Savage: Under the features tab I can set wood, glass, rubber, etc.
2016-03-23 19:29 <velusunivers-sys> Plugh, where in the code did you find the <USERNAME> for greetings?
2016-03-23 19:29 <Plugh> LLoginService.cs, IIRC
2016-03-23 19:30 <velusunivers-sys> which folder?>
2016-03-23 19:30 <Plugh> Not sure. I just searched for it using MonoDevelop
2016-03-23 19:30 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-23 19:31 <Plugh> opensim-master/OpenSim/Services/LLLoginService/LLLoginService.cs
2016-03-23 19:31 <Plugh> MD had a copy file/path feature. Neat.
2016-03-23 19:32 <velusunivers-sys> got it, hmmm wonder if i can add something like time and day to it ?
2016-03-23 19:34 <Plugh> You could modify that file and add in your own codes for time, date, or whatever you want to add.
2016-03-23 19:34 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-23 19:50 <JeffKelley> MANTIS 7842 closed but there is still a potential null dereference at line 279 when the try clause fails (response = null) OpenSim/Region/CoreModules/Scripting/LoadImageURL/LoadImageURLModule.cs
2016-03-23 20:03 <Plugh> Well spotted.
2016-03-23 20:05 <velusunivers-sys> when creating a region what is the internal ip? should i just leave that as 0.0.0.0 ? Plugh 
2016-03-23 20:05 <Plugh> yes
2016-03-23 20:05 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-23 20:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #4615 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-03-23 20:12 <velusunivers-sys> plugh im trying with all services on one system and a region on another system and when i try to login i get a unable to contact location
2016-03-23 20:15 <velusunivers-sys> think i found it now it had in the db http://http://..... 
2016-03-23 20:16 <velusunivers-sys> hmmm still not working
2016-03-23 20:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4615: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4615/
2016-03-23 20:16 <osjenkins> melanie: Mantis 7842 - remove another possible null dereference
2016-03-23 20:17 <velusunivers-sys> ok now it is hissing about Friends
2016-03-23 20:18 <velusunivers-sys> and yeah the <USERNAME> WORKS
2016-03-23 20:22 <velusunivers-sys> Plugh, im getting this http://pastebin.com/bXwRu2tc
2016-03-23 20:23 <Plugh> I'll be with you in a bit. I'm in the middle of updating a testgrid
2016-03-23 20:23 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-23 20:26 <velusunivers-sys> think i know the problem not to sure
2016-03-23 20:31 <velusunivers-sys> maybe not
2016-03-23 20:41 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: Based on that pastebin you have an error in the configuration of Groups.
2016-03-23 20:41 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-23 20:44 <velusunivers-sys> im guessing that would be the regioin ares?
2016-03-23 20:47 <Plugh> If you are using core Groups there is a groups line you have to uncomment in the [ServiceList] section of Region.ini
2016-03-23 20:47 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-23 20:50 <Plugh> There are also groups settings in the OpenSim.ini file
2016-03-23 20:50 <velusunivers-sys> i cant find that? and i cant find that in Regions.ini.example? is it not opensim.ini its in?
2016-03-23 20:50 <Plugh> The section is [Groups] 
2016-03-23 20:50 <velusunivers-sys> in opensim.ini
2016-03-23 20:51 <Plugh> perhaps you lost the entry when you were splitting up your Robust services
2016-03-23 20:51 <Plugh> Line 85 and 86 of Robust.ini.example
2016-03-23 20:51 <Plugh> in git master
2016-03-23 20:51 <velusunivers-sys> ok so in robust not regions.ini 
2016-03-23 20:51 <Plugh> oops. 86 and 87
2016-03-23 20:52 <Plugh> anyway, somewhere right about that.
2016-03-23 20:52 <Plugh> yea, had the right line numbers the first time
2016-03-23 20:52 <velusunivers-sys> im using Robust.HG.ini
2016-03-23 20:53 <Plugh> ok. Line 94 and 95. You should also check whether you need to uncomment line 93 (related to offline messaging)
2016-03-23 20:54 <Plugh> oh, and also line 109. It is another groups setting for HG enabled grids
2016-03-23 20:54 <velusunivers-sys> i have them uncommented
2016-03-23 20:55 <Plugh> No red text starting Robust?
2016-03-23 20:55 <velusunivers-sys> no just opensim]
2016-03-23 20:56 <Plugh> Most obvious thing in OpenSim.ini is that you have enabled=true in [Groups]. :)
2016-03-23 20:57 <velusunivers-sys> yes i have that 
2016-03-23 20:57 <Plugh> Make sure you have the right Module setting. You want the V2 one
2016-03-23 20:58 <velusunivers-sys> yes i have that
2016-03-23 20:58 <Plugh> Set the storage provider setting as you are probably using MySQL to store group data
2016-03-23 20:58 <Plugh> The ServicesConnectorModule needs to be the HG version
2016-03-23 20:58 <velusunivers-sys> yes
2016-03-23 20:58 <Plugh> Groups HG Service Connector
2016-03-23 20:59 <Plugh> LocalService=remote
2016-03-23 21:00 <Plugh> GroupsServerURI should be commented
2016-03-23 21:01 <Plugh> You want the V2 setting for Messaging Module
2016-03-23 21:01 <velusunivers-sys> ok got the module bit working now im getting another problem
2016-03-23 21:02 <Plugh> Uh huh. What now?
2016-03-23 21:03 <velusunivers-sys> http://pastebin.com/wfyAkLhT this
2016-03-23 21:03 <velusunivers-sys> the login on the viewer is frezzing on logging in 
2016-03-23 21:06 <Plugh> It is saying that something is not being allowed to connect to a socket. It may actually be a port related issue. I'm not sure which. Do you have any firewalls running on any of the servers?
2016-03-23 21:06 <velusunivers-sys> no and all ports are open anyway 
2016-03-23 21:06 <velusunivers-sys> if it was udp being blocked would it not do that before login?
2016-03-23 21:09 <Plugh> oh, good. My 0.9 standalone is starting now under mono 4.2
2016-03-23 21:09 <velusunivers-sys> good 
2016-03-23 21:10 <velusunivers-sys> wonder what the problem is im going over the opensim.ini now
2016-03-23 21:10 <Plugh> Check your port numbers.
2016-03-23 21:11 <velusunivers-sys> public 8002 private 8003 same on both robust and regions there is one region on 9000
2016-03-23 21:11 <Plugh> In the OpenSim.ini file you would have 8002 and 8003 in [Const] and 9000 in [Network] for http_listener_port.
2016-03-23 21:12 <Plugh> The port number in the ini file under the Regions directory would be a different number such as 9100.
2016-03-23 21:12 <velusunivers-sys> would i have to set 9000 in the http_listener_port as 9000 could i not just leave that commented and have the port set in the regions.ini?
2016-03-23 21:13 <Plugh> hm... I've got some mismatch messages in mystandalone. 
2016-03-23 21:13 <velusunivers-sys> what are they? 
2016-03-23 21:13 <Plugh> I may need to clear it out and start from a fresh set of binaries
2016-03-23 21:13 <velusunivers-sys> could it be something like Friends and freinds and also Avatars and avatars?
2016-03-23 21:15 <Plugh> yes, that could be a problem. Assume everything in settings are case sensitive.
2016-03-23 21:19 <Plugh> ok, looking better. Its blowing up in a custom module. I need to check that I've updated it properly for 0.9
2016-03-23 21:19 <Plugh> Time to take a break before dinner.
2016-03-23 21:19 <Plugh> bbl.
2016-03-23 21:20 <velusunivers-sys> ok ttyl
2016-03-23 21:43 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-23 21:47 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-03-23 21:52 <velusunivers-sys> Melanie_, can you help me with this http://pastebin.com/wfyAkLhT
2016-03-23 22:00 <velusunivers-sys> i just cant figure out what is coursing it?
2016-03-23 22:11 <velusunivers-sys> i have checked fire wall on both ends and they are fine? well on both servers
2016-03-23 22:22 <velusunivers-sys> can anyone help me with this?
2016-03-23 22:34 <osmantis> Bug #7849:04 Console command: land show doesn't show correct owner's name of the parcel, when parcel is owned by group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7849 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-23 22:47 <velusunivers-sys> JeffKelley, you about?>
2016-03-23 22:47 <JeffKelley> ya
2016-03-23 22:47 <velusunivers-sys> can you help me please im getting this error  http://pastebin.com/wfyAkLhT and cant figgure out why?
2016-03-23 22:48 <velusunivers-sys> hey Plugh wb 
2016-03-23 22:48 <velusunivers-sys> still syick with that error
2016-03-23 22:50 <JeffKelley> it looks like an unreachable socket
2016-03-23 22:51 <velusunivers-sys> but which one?
2016-03-23 22:51 <JeffKelley> a http request is made and fails
2016-03-23 22:52 <velusunivers-sys> if i pb my opensim.ini would you be able to help me please
2016-03-23 22:53 <JeffKelley> what are you trying to do ?
2016-03-23 22:53 <velusunivers-sys> create a region for a grid
2016-03-23 22:53 <JeffKelley> is this your first grid ?
2016-03-23 22:54 <velusunivers-sys> i have done many before but never had this problem
2016-03-23 22:54 <JeffKelley> what changed since last time it was working?
2016-03-23 22:54 <velusunivers-sys> this is a new grid and i cant see many changed
2016-03-23 22:55 <JeffKelley> what did you change and why ?
2016-03-23 22:56 <velusunivers-sys> this is a new one so i have changed everything as its a new grid
2016-03-23 22:56 <Plugh> ty
2016-03-23 22:56 <Plugh> I could have a look.
2016-03-23 22:56 <velusunivers-sys> yw
2016-03-23 22:57 <velusunivers-sys> yeah ill pb the opensim.ini
2016-03-23 22:59 <velusunivers-sys> http://pastebin.com/CZuUibRG
2016-03-23 23:05 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: You have an error in one of your lines. MuteListURL has ".dom" instead of ".com"
2016-03-23 23:05 <smxy> That URL isn't used bu anything. It just has to e set to something.
2016-03-23 23:05 <smxy> So that's not his problem. :)
2016-03-23 23:06 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-23 23:06 <smxy> Hmm, my keyboard is messing up.
2016-03-23 23:06 <smxy> Fix the line anyway. :)
2016-03-23 23:07 <Plugh> smxy: I know. I'm just pointing it out anyway.
2016-03-23 23:07 <velusunivers-sys> i have fixed it now
2016-03-23 23:08 <velusunivers-sys> and bare in mind that the rions simulator is on another server to the grid
2016-03-23 23:09 <smxy> I'm always bare, in my mind. I think you meant "bear". :) What's "rions"?
2016-03-23 23:10 <velusunivers-sys> bear in mind that regions and grid is on seperate servers
2016-03-23 23:10 <Plugh> Um... I think that was meant to be "regions"
2016-03-23 23:10 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: That's pretty standard.
2016-03-23 23:11 <velusunivers-sys> i cant see the fault i cant even see the fault in regions.ini (well this one is Welcome.ini )
2016-03-23 23:12 <velusunivers-sys> and if i put the regions back on and you http://regions1.openvirtuallife.com:9001 you get the oops 404 standard opensim file
2016-03-23 23:13 <osmantis> Bug #7849:04 Console command: land show doesn't show correct owner's name of the parcel, when parcel is owned by group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7849 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-23 23:14 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: What port address are you using in the ini file under Regions?
2016-03-23 23:14 <velusunivers-sys> 9100
2016-03-23 23:14 <velusunivers-sys> let me double check
2016-03-23 23:14 <Plugh> np. As long as it is not a number already used somewhere else.
2016-03-23 23:15 <velusunivers-sys> nope just 9001 and 9100
2016-03-23 23:16 <velusunivers-sys> in the db i have this serverip regions1.openvirtuallife.com serverport 9100 and server uri http://openvirtuallife.com:9001 is this right?
2016-03-23 23:21 <Plugh> In which table?
2016-03-23 23:21 <velusunivers-sys> regions
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2016-03-23 23:28 <Plugh> Sounds right.
2016-03-23 23:28 <Plugh> Found another typo
2016-03-23 23:28 <Plugh> ExternalHostNameForLSL = "http://regions1.openvertuallife.com" 
2016-03-23 23:28 <Plugh> vert -> virt
2016-03-23 23:30 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: You can create additional constants in the [Const] section that could be for the login URL or for the website
2016-03-23 23:30 <velusunivers-sys> i know 
2016-03-23 23:31 <velusunivers-sys> im going to see if that has fixed it
2016-03-23 23:31 <Plugh> ok. You have an entry for regions1 in [const] but didn't use it in the ExternaHostNameForLSL entry and you have one for login in OfflineMessageURL
2016-03-23 23:31 <velusunivers-sys> though i dobt it
2016-03-23 23:32 <velusunivers-sys> ?
2016-03-23 23:33 <velusunivers-sys> can i get line numbers?
2016-03-23 23:33 <Plugh> 540
2016-03-23 23:33 <Plugh> 668
2016-03-23 23:33 <Plugh> The 668 one probably doesn't matter as its not really used
2016-03-23 23:34 <Plugh> Um... 682 is the one that doesn't matter.
2016-03-23 23:34 <velusunivers-sys> 540 is the region server address
2016-03-23 23:35 <osmantis> Bug #7849:04 Console command: land show doesn't show correct owner's name of the parcel, when parcel is owned by group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7849 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-23 23:37 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: Yes. You could have used the value from the Const section there.
2016-03-23 23:37 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-23 23:37 <velusunivers-sys> but i still dont see what the error could be
2016-03-23 23:37 <Plugh> Have you fixed that other typo?
2016-03-23 23:38 <velusunivers-sys> yes
2016-03-23 23:38 <Plugh> Still same error?
2016-03-23 23:38 <velusunivers-sys> yes
2016-03-23 23:38 <velusunivers-sys> im starting a new log and see if that shows anything other
2016-03-23 23:41 <velusunivers-sys> same info in there too 
2016-03-23 23:43 <velusunivers-sys> could it be a coding error?
2016-03-23 23:43 <velusunivers-sys> in the cs code
2016-03-23 23:45 <Plugh> Possible but I think it more likely to be a configuration error.
2016-03-23 23:46 <Plugh> hmm...
2016-03-23 23:47 <Plugh> You are running multiple copies of Robust. How have you told it which port is used by which version of Robust? I think you should be using different port numbers in OpenSim.ini based on which copy of Robust you are trying to access based on which service(s) you are using.
2016-03-23 23:47 <velusunivers-sys> both servers see each other and talk to each other 
2016-03-23 23:47 <velusunivers-sys> im using all in one robust for now
2016-03-23 23:48 <Plugh> ok. I thought you were still running multiple Robust but on one physical server
2016-03-23 23:48 <velusunivers-sys> no just running al in one for now till i get the actual multiple robust working
2016-03-23 23:49 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-03-23 23:50 <Plugh> Best way to do things. You've configured grids before so you can compare the ini files you are using for this new grid against the ones you have successfully used for another grid. That should help you find out what you haven't set right.
2016-03-23 23:50 <velusunivers-sys> i dont have any of the olds ones left on this system (my old pc crashed and corrupted the hdd, im still trying to get some important data back from it
2016-03-23 23:52 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: Let's try something. Comment out line 668 (OfflineMessageURL) and see if makes any difference
2016-03-23 23:53 <Plugh> The other thing to try for that line is to use ${Const|BaseURL} for the part before the :
2016-03-23 23:53 <velusunivers-sys> ??
2016-03-23 23:54 <velusunivers-sys> same error 
2016-03-23 23:54 <Plugh> OfflineMessageURL = :${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PrivatePort}
2016-03-23 23:55 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-23 23:58 <velusunivers-sys> same error
2016-03-24 00:17 <velusunivers-sys> any ideas Plugh 
2016-03-24 00:19 <Plugh> If it isn't a problem in OpenSim.ini then I would check the HG ini in the config-include directory.you configured
2016-03-24 00:20 <velusunivers-sys> i have created two regions on one simulator (one to test something) i have region in 0,0 and its 1034x1034m  and if you go to the map view http://login.openvirtuallife.com:8002/map-2-0-1-objects.jpg it shows up as a blue tile yet it is not supose to bhe
2016-03-24 00:38 <velusunivers-sys> Plugh, it was somethign in the gridcommon.ini lol
2016-03-24 00:43 <velusunivers-sys> Plugh, do you know how the mapping system works?
2016-03-24 01:26 <smxy> velusunivers-sys: If you want to know how it works, go read the code and figure it out. You can't make Plugh (or any of the rest of us) your personal wikipedia to hound. Plugh might actually have other things to do besides hold your hand 24/7.
2016-03-24 01:27 <smxy> A few questions are one thing, but you latch on and don't let go.
2016-03-24 02:23 <osmantis> Bug #7859:04 Command: save prims xml2  does not save required file 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7859 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-24 02:31 <osmantis> Bug #7859:04 Command: save prims xml2  does not save required file 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7859 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-24 03:14 <osmantis> Bug #7849:04 Console command: land show doesn't show correct owner's name of the parcel, when parcel is owned by group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7849 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-03-24 13:22 <velusunivers-sys> hey djphil how are them php prjects comming
2016-03-24 17:29 <Plugh> Nuts. I got distracted a bit yesterday and wound up migrating my main database from 082 to master format. I had already made a copy of my main db for use with master. Now I need to unmigrate my main DB. :P
2016-03-24 17:55 <velusunivers-sys> ouch im looking into creating a site and as part of the whole system it checks db tables and foreign keys but it hising about some  keys that aint around like when people changes from lower to uper
2016-03-24 18:15 <Plugh> Looks like most of the migrations aren't real migrations
2016-03-24 18:15 <velusunivers-sys> they are condensed ones but they seem to have problems with thyem
2016-03-24 18:53 <velusunivers-sys> Plugh, how do i find foriegn keys in a mysql migrationsdata
2016-03-24 19:13 <Plugh> Melanie_: ping
2016-03-24 19:14 <Plugh> Melanie_: -ping (ie. nm)
2016-03-24 19:47 <Plugh> Melanie_: There is a difference in the order of the fields in the asset table between 082 and 09. The asset_flags and CreatorID fields have been flipped. Is that a typo?
2016-03-24 19:52 <velusunivers-sys> Plugh, in sql it dont rally matter what order the columns are in on the table it matters what order your sql query is i.e 'INSERT INTO `table`(`column1`,`column3`,column5`,`column4`) VALUES ('column1_data','column3_data','column5_data','column4_data'); notice the insert is not in column order but the values are in the order of the frileds?
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2016-03-24 20:18 <Dev_Random> velusunivers-sys: That's not always true since the column list is optional.  e.g. in MySQLUserProfilesData.cs , it skips the field list "INSERT INTO userpicks VALUES ("...
2016-03-24 20:19 <velusunivers-sys> oh i didnt know that
2016-03-24 20:19 <Dev_Random> It's usually good practice to list the fields, but not strictly necessary.
2016-03-24 20:20 <velusunivers-sys> ok i guess i was tought good practice lol 
2016-03-24 20:21 <Melanie_> in opensim, it's part of the project coding rules to never omit the field list
2016-03-24 20:21 <Melanie_> that is because it's a hard and fast rule that the system MUST NOT break if a table field is added
2016-03-24 20:21 <velusunivers-sys> hey Dev_Random can you find where the forgien keys are for mysql? as it seems to have messed up the website im creating? due to tbles being re named
2016-03-24 20:21 <Melanie_> because of that, the order is not relevant and we could even work in a nosql database system
2016-03-24 20:22 <Dev_Random> somebody slipped one in, that INSERT came from  MySQLUserProfilesData.cs
2016-03-24 20:22 <Melanie_> velusunivers-sys: you don't need to use linked tables foreign keys and joins to make a website. see above, you can add all needed fields to the base tables
2016-03-24 20:25 <velusunivers-sys> yes i know Melanie_ but when the actual site starts and does any db query it checks keys and constraints so it is throwing errors like no useraccounts table found and also no presence and agaentprefs and so forth 
2016-03-24 20:30 <Dev_Random> velusunivers-sys: I don't see them with grep, and I'm not going to dig any deeper now.  I've never looked at the migrations stuff, and don't know exactly how it works
2016-03-24 20:31 <Dev_Random> I suggest taking Melanie_'s advice and re-thinking your approach.
2016-03-24 20:31 <velusunivers-sys> the migrations from what i can tell and if im wrong im sure Melanie_ will tell me, they just create and update the db with the table schema
2016-03-24 20:33 <velusunivers-sys> i have found a way round it with just creating them tables but not as opensim see them but more as just o column them tables hopefully will never be used
2016-03-24 20:34 <Plugh> Melanie_: I've found a few other minor migration errors other than the two columns that are in a different order in master.
2016-03-24 20:35 <velusunivers-sys> what are they plugh?
2016-03-24 20:36 <Plugh> Melanie_: The case is wrong in the names of four tables: Avatars, Friends, Presence, and UserAccounts.
2016-03-24 20:36 <velusunivers-sys> she updated the user accounts hasnt she
2016-03-24 20:37 <velusunivers-sys> and the presence
2016-03-24 20:39 <Plugh> yea, those have been done.
2016-03-24 20:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #4616 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-03-24 20:54 <Plugh> Melanie_: Upon further investigation the order of the fields in the migration of the assets table is correct. I don't know how but in my asset table for 082PF the CreatorID field in second from the end.
2016-03-24 20:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4616: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4616/
2016-03-24 20:58 <osjenkins> kevin: Correct case in the names of the Avatar and Friends tables
2016-03-24 21:17 <djphil> 
ACTION hope Melanie_ have Computer back to Home and working a little bit on PHP Currency this week :)

2016-03-24 21:44 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): has been CLOSED
2016-03-24 21:44 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-03-24 21:45 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-03-24 21:45 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-03-24 22:03 <velusunivers-sys> just a quick question? with the dls currency module do you add the economy section in Robust?
2016-03-24 22:24 <velusunivers-sys> i can see it is only in opensim.ini it needs to go
2016-03-24 22:52 <osmantis> Bug #7860:04 llEdgeOfWorld does not work in var regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7860 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-24 22:57 <osmantis> Bug #7861:04 llEdgeOfWorld fails most of the time in a 1x1 region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7861 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2016-03-25 00:18 <velusunivers-sys> to load an iar fo i do it in the robust or opensim?
2016-03-25 00:22 <Ken_Savage> opensim
2016-03-25 00:22 <velusunivers-sys> thanks Ken_Savage 
2016-03-25 00:22 <velusunivers-sys> Ken_Savage, did you say you created a webmap before?
2016-03-25 00:23 <Ken_Savage> No
2016-03-25 00:23 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-25 00:34 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: ping
2016-03-25 00:36 <jakdaniels_> hey Plugh, how u doing?
2016-03-25 00:36 <Plugh> As well as can be expected I these days. How are things with you?
2016-03-25 00:37 <jakdaniels_> ok... busy on other projects that pay the bills atm, but missing tinkering with opensim ;)
2016-03-25 00:37 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-03-25 00:38 <Plugh> Have you used the birds module in 0.9?
2016-03-25 00:38 <Plugh> aka. git master
2016-03-25 00:38 <velusunivers-sys> Plugh, what is the birds module?
2016-03-25 00:38 <jakdaniels_> only up until dev master in early January. Not been keeping up with changes since then..
2016-03-25 00:39 <jakdaniels_> Is it broken now?
2016-03-25 00:39 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: ok. Its tossing out red text on me.
2016-03-25 00:40 <Plugh> bah. Now something else is tossing red text at me. :P
2016-03-25 00:41 <Plugh> Um... let me make sure my standalone of master is updated with the right versions of some modules and I'll get back to you in a few minutes.
2016-03-25 00:41 <jakdaniels_> I've never tested it in standalone mode ;)
2016-03-25 00:42 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: It used to work in standalone mode. That was how I first tested it.
2016-03-25 00:42 <Plugh> There is a problem when a region with the module shutsdown. It tosses red text
2016-03-25 00:44 <jakdaniels_> velusunivers-sys read the README.md section of https://github.com/JakDaniels/OpenSimBirds to find out how to use it, although it doesn't really tell you what it does ;)
2016-03-25 00:45 <jakdaniels_> Plugh: send me a pastebin link
2016-03-25 00:45 <Plugh> Doing it as we type :0
2016-03-25 00:47 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: Doesn't seem to hurt anything. Just a bit odd. I haven't gotten around to tracking it down.
2016-03-25 00:48 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: Hm... Just guessing here but I'm wondering if it needs to use locking in RemoveRegion()
2016-03-25 00:51 <Plugh> Or the call to m_view.Clear() isn't needed in RemoveRegion()
2016-03-25 00:51 <velusunivers-sys> jakdaniels_, that seems like a nice module and by the looks of it you can use it to have a dragon flying round
2016-03-25 00:53 <jakdaniels_> it looks like some kind of event trigger problem... the instance of the region module is gone before all the events have finished being processed?
2016-03-25 00:54 <jakdaniels_> ...not looking at code yet but only the error dump...
2016-03-25 00:55 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-03-25 00:55 <Plugh> Something is gone before it gets to that function.
2016-03-25 00:56 <Plugh> Here is another error I'm seeing in 082PF during shutdown -> MySQL error in ExecuteNonQuery: Unknown column 'NaN' in 'field list'
2016-03-25 00:57 <Plugh> hm... lights flickering a bit. Hope the power doesn't go out.
2016-03-25 00:57 <Plugh> A couple days in to spring and I've got -2C weather and freezing rain coming down.
2016-03-25 00:58 <Plugh> :P
2016-03-25 01:00 <jakdaniels_> NaNs....that's when they go out of region bounds... it occasionally happens, then something else within opensim turns the invalid coordinates into NaNs and then the db layer is somehow broken in that the SQL doesn't expect anything other than integers or floats for certain fields and is not escaped with '' so NaN breaks it...
2016-03-25 01:01 <jakdaniels_> also I found that sog.DetachFromBackup() is broken... I never wanted the birds to persist in the db, but I've not yet found a way to stop their positions being constantly written there ;)
2016-03-25 01:03 <Plugh> Can you temp objects or are they too temporary?
2016-03-25 01:04 <Plugh> ie. don't last indefinitely while the birds module is moving the birds around.
2016-03-25 01:05 <velusunivers-sys> im going to look at my hypergrid tomorrow its not letting me out of the place
2016-03-25 01:08 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: I don't get a useable backtrace when the NaN thing happens so I don't know where it takes place. Perhaps not in the module itself.
2016-03-25 01:08 <jakdaniels_> they are all just prims within the scene object graph... having their coordinates and rotations changed, but my understanding was that sog.DetachFromBackup() should stop them being persisted to the db. I had to write a load of code in the RegionLoad section to scan and remove old persisted (bird) prims. 
2016-03-25 01:09 <jakdaniels_> Its in the DB layer... something is not escaped properly is my guess
2016-03-25 01:09 <Plugh> I wonder at what point in the shutdown process it saves the birds position
2016-03-25 01:09 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: Could be. I'd hope it is using parameter binding so data doesn't have to be escaped.
2016-03-25 01:11 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: I can try adding some locks in the code and I will also print out when it enters and exists the RemoveRegion and Close routines.
2016-03-25 01:11 <AliciaRaven> jakdaniels_, have u tried PrimFlags.Temporary as well as PrimFlags.TemporaryOnRez, i think temp on rez is removed on a timer, but temp just gets ignored by when persisting to the db
2016-03-25 01:11 <Plugh> The docs about region modules says both get called.
2016-03-25 01:11 <Plugh> during shutdown.
2016-03-25 01:12 <jakdaniels_> the problem is it's saving their positions every time there is a persist region to db event even after sog.DetachFromBackup(); has been called fro each bird object
2016-03-25 01:13 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: FYI, the OS wiki about region modules indicates it calls RemoveRegion then will call Close() for non-shared modules. You have duplicate code in those routines.
2016-03-25 01:14 <jakdaniels_> And also the db layer problem since region coordinates can now sometimes, somehow be NaN. Is this a physics engine thing or something more generic in Opensim's region border checking code?
2016-03-25 01:19 <Plugh> No idea.
2016-03-25 01:20 <Plugh> I'm using BulletSim physics
2016-03-25 01:22 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: I've been looking at some other module code. I'm going to add some locking in the remove and close routines and see what that does.
2016-03-25 01:24 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: Which variable indicates the flock is rezzed and moving about?
2016-03-25 01:28 <jakdaniels_> I'm gonna have to look at code now aren't I? ;) I think m_ready is when the module's up, m_enabled is when it's up and ready to receive commands or has a config to tell it what to do...
2016-03-25 01:31 <Plugh> Its checking m_startup during shutdown. That is set by BirdsModuleStartup ini setting being true.
2016-03-25 01:32 <Plugh> That doesn't sound like the right variable to indicate if birds are flying.
2016-03-25 01:38 <velusunivers-sys> jakdaniels_, are you going to update the cities module?
2016-03-25 01:45 <jakdaniels_> velusunivers-sys: No... that was just an initial attempt at getting an aurora module working with opensim, then as I got dug in to the code I realised that it didn't actually have a 'city engine' in it, just loads of setup parameters code for an idea...
2016-03-25 01:45 <velusunivers-sys> ok does the auroa code have a city engine?
2016-03-25 01:47 <jakdaniels_> no... as I said the module I found for aurora was incomplete
2016-03-25 01:47 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-25 01:53 <jakdaniels_> Plugh: if I get time over this easter break I'll try latest dev master with the birds module and see what happens. AliciaRaven: Thanks! :) I'll try that too in the hope it might stop those pesky birds writing themselves to the db every time the scene is persisted...
2016-03-25 01:54 <AliciaRaven> good luck jakdaniels_ hope it works, PrimFlag.Temporary is only used in the code once and thats to skip saving the SOG so i think its what u need
2016-03-25 02:04 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: ok, np. ty
2016-03-25 02:25 <jakdaniels_> AliciaRaven: ...yes! sounds like it could work... I eventually gave up trying to follow the sog code around DetachFromBackup() and the events it's supposed to suppress after I realised that prim movements still being written to the db. Visual Studio presented it to me as an function/property to use and I've seen it used in older opensim modules. Maybe it's now dead code and PrimFlag.Temporary is the way to go :)
2016-03-25 02:28 <AliciaRaven> cool :)
2016-03-25 14:47 <velusunivers-sys> Plugh, have you ever set up the nsl module for currency?
2016-03-25 15:18 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: If you mean the DTL/NSL Currency module, yes I have.
2016-03-25 15:18 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: Before you ask the next question, I don't have time to walk you through setting it up now.
2016-03-25 15:19 <velusunivers-sys> ok just one question do you need the mono.security.dll in both the money server bin robust bin and opensim bin
2016-03-25 15:22 <Plugh> I never put any mono files in my OS instance directories.
2016-03-25 15:55 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-25 15:56 <Plugh> To clarify that, I never added any mono files in with the binaries used to run any part of OpenSimulator
2016-03-25 15:59 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-25 18:28 <velusunivers-sys> Melanie_, where can i get the odgrid map system
2016-03-25 18:29 <Plugh> Ask someone from osgrid or look at the map system used in the wiredux project.
2016-03-25 18:30 <velusunivers-sys> Melanie_, said she had created the map system
2016-03-25 18:31 <velusunivers-sys> the wiredux one dose not handle the var regions 
2016-03-25 18:32 <Plugh> That's ok. Neither does the osgrid code, AFAIK
2016-03-25 18:32 <velusunivers-sys> ok
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2016-03-25 20:30 <jakdaniels_> AliciaRaven PrimFlag.Temporary just makes the prims(birds) disappear after about 2 minutes so my code then re-rezzes them. I actually set the flag (and others) like this: sog.UpdatePrimFlags(rootPart.LocalId, false, true, true, false); the third parameter is bool SetTemporary, have set it back to false now
2016-03-25 20:39 <AliciaRaven> jakdaniels_ thats strange as its TempOnRez that has the code to remove the prim on a timer, i guess there is something else going on
2016-03-25 20:43 <jakdaniels_> how do you set PrimFlag.Temporary when you have a sog? Am I doing it the right way?
2016-03-25 20:45 <AliciaRaven> jakdaniels_, SceneObject.RootPart.AddFlag(PrimFlags.Temporary);
2016-03-25 20:46 <jakdaniels_> ok let me try that... ty
2016-03-25 20:47 <AliciaRaven> im wondering if adding that flag will make the code add the temponrez also later on for some reason
2016-03-25 20:54 <jakdaniels_> hmm so sog.UpdatePrimFlags(rootPart.LocalId, false, true, true, false); is not the same as
2016-03-25 20:54 <jakdaniels_> rootPart = sog.RootPart;
2016-03-25 20:54 <jakdaniels_> rootPart.AddFlag(PrimFlags.Temporary);
2016-03-25 20:54 <jakdaniels_> rootPart.AddFlag(PrimFlags.Phantom);
2016-03-25 20:55 <AliciaRaven> i think the first one with the bools is probably setting TempOnRez and not Temporary
2016-03-25 20:55 <jakdaniels_> the first way seems to make the prims temponrez
2016-03-25 20:55 <jakdaniels_> ok so the code docs are wrong then ;)
2016-03-25 20:57 <jakdaniels_> ...but I *think* that the prims are now not being persisted to the db. Can't see any updates going to mysql in my query log
2016-03-25 21:00 <jakdaniels_> Plugh: I've tested the module with opensim master as of today and cannot reproduce the error you had. Hopefully the NaN thing will have gone away too, again I could not reproduce that... it used to only happen sometimes/occasionally
2016-03-25 21:01 <jakdaniels_> Do a git pull in your addon-modules/OpenSimBirds directory to get the latest version
2016-03-25 21:01 <jakdaniels_> Thanks AliciaRaven
2016-03-25 21:01 <Plugh> ok.
2016-03-25 21:02 <AliciaRaven> np :)
2016-03-25 21:02 <jakdaniels_> let me know how you get on Plugh :)
2016-03-25 21:03 <Plugh> ok. Updating now
2016-03-25 21:05 <Plugh> I've also been thinking of adding in options to limit the area in which the birds can fly
2016-03-25 21:07 <Plugh> I know one person who would like to have a swarm of beetles running around so it would need to limit vertical movement to 0
2016-03-25 21:10 <Plugh> No NaN but I don't think I often saw that.
2016-03-25 21:10 <Plugh> I am still getting the message "Object reference not set to an instance of an object"
2016-03-25 21:11 <Plugh> during shutdown.
2016-03-25 21:11 <jakdaniels_> with current dev master?
2016-03-25 21:11 <Plugh> yes
2016-03-25 21:12 <jakdaniels_> what mono version? I'm using version 4.0.5 (Stable 4.0.5.1/1d8d582 Wed Nov 25 15:29:42 GMT 2015 here
2016-03-25 21:13 <jakdaniels_> and can you pastebin the error again please?
2016-03-25 21:19 <jakdaniels_> would there ever be a case when a region's Close() is called without RemoveRegion(scene) being called first?
2016-03-25 21:42 <jakdaniels_> Plugh: looking at your log from yesterday, something is odd. The error is showing coming from file /home/kcozens/Projects/OpenSimulator/opensim-082PF/addon-modules/OpenSimBirds/Module/BirdsModule/FlockingModule.cs:232
2016-03-25 21:42 <jakdaniels_> but the caller is from /home/kcozens/Projects/OpenSimulator/opensim-master/OpenSim/ApplicationPlugins/RegionModulesController/RegionModulesControllerPlugin.cs:522
2016-03-25 21:42 <jakdaniels_> Why does one have opensim-082PF and the other opensim-master ?
2016-03-25 21:43 <jakdaniels_> Do you have some old DLLs lying around?
2016-03-25 21:44 <Plugh> I keep separate directories. I was being distracted the other day. Perhaps an update wound up going in to the wrong directory.
2016-03-25 21:45 <Plugh> Today I get the same error and line numbers and it only mentions opensim-master as the directory.
2016-03-25 21:45 <velusunivers-sys> sorry if i distracted you Plugh 
2016-03-25 21:46 <jakdaniels_> can I see the log?
2016-03-25 21:47 <jakdaniels_> line 232 is m_view.Clear(); Clear is a method of m_view which is defined at the top of the module: private FlockingView m_view; so I don't know why you have that error
2016-03-25 21:47 <Plugh> There ya go
2016-03-25 21:48 <Plugh> yea, I have no idea why I get it but its consistent issue.
2016-03-25 21:48 <jakdaniels_> what mono version?
2016-03-25 21:49 <Plugh> I'm was using 2.10 something but I'm now using 4.2.3
2016-03-25 21:49 <Plugh> IIRC, 4.2 is safe. I know 4.0 and 4.1 could have issues
2016-03-25 21:49 <Plugh> s/could/do/
2016-03-25 21:50 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: It isn't a big deal and doesn't seem to affect the shutdown process.
2016-03-25 21:51 <jakdaniels_> ok... let me build myself a mono RPM for 4.2.3 and try that. Might not be today though (tonight already here in UK)
2016-03-25 21:53 <Plugh> ok, np. No rush on it. Just one of those things you don't want to see (red text) so you wonder what needs to be done to fix it.
2016-03-25 21:53 <jakdaniels_> is it 4.2.3.4 you have?
2016-03-25 21:55 <Plugh> Mono JIT compiler version 4.2.3 (Stable 4.2.3.4/832de4b Wed Mar 16 13:19:08 UTC 2016)
2016-03-25 21:55 <Plugh> oh, nuts. I've got two copies of Robust using the same ports, IIRC. :P
2016-03-25 22:00 <Plugh> um... no I don't. Just dealing with too many port numbers. :)
2016-03-25 22:18 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: I had to take out the birds module from my test grid. I was getting Index out of bounds exceptions. Could have been an ini setting. Right now I want the grid up. Birds module isn't important.
2016-03-25 22:18 <Plugh> As the module works on my standalone I figure it is most likely a config issue.
2016-03-25 22:25 <Plugh> Dinner is about ready. bbl
2016-03-25 22:25 <velusunivers-sys> tyt
2016-03-25 22:29 <smxy> Actually, I believe it's 4.3.2 that's good and that 4.2 has issues. Let me check
2016-03-25 22:31 <smxy> Yes
2016-03-25 22:31 <smxy> [18:24] <Melanie_T> use 4.3.2
2016-03-25 22:31 <smxy> [18:24] <Melanie_T> 4.1 sucks and 4.2 has some bugs
2016-03-25 22:31 <smxy> Plugh: ^^
2016-03-25 22:32 <smxy> jakdaniels_: ^^
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2016-03-25 23:17 <Plugh> smxy: ok. Not a big deal. It is just for my Standalone copy.
2016-03-26 00:12 <smxy> Plugh: Just wanted to correct you for yourself and for advice you pass along to others. :)
2016-03-26 00:12 <smxy> Particularly the latter.
2016-03-26 15:07 <jakdaniels_> Plugh: Ive tried the module with dev master on mono 4.0.5, 4.2.3 and 4.3.2 and cannot reproduce your error. 4.2.3 did eventually crash with a threads problem, but I saw that when I tested 4.2.1 a while back. Gonna stick with 4.3.2.467 for a while now and see how that performs ;)
2016-03-26 15:09 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: You don't get that error during shutdown? 
2016-03-26 15:10 <jakdaniels_> Nope
2016-03-26 15:10 <Plugh> Odd. I get it everytime.
2016-03-26 15:11 <Plugh> um.. you have mono 4.3?? The latest mono release is 4.2.3.4
2016-03-26 15:11 <Plugh> Are you using mono code from github?
2016-03-26 15:13 <jakdaniels_> http://download.mono-project.com/sources/mono/
2016-03-26 15:14 <jakdaniels_> but I built an RPM using the src rpm from here: https://copr-be.cloud.fedoraproject.org/results/tpokorra/mono-alpha/epel-6-x86_64/00163482-mono/
2016-03-26 15:14 <jakdaniels_> had to modify the spec file though as it didn't have a mono-complete meta package
2016-03-26 15:15 <Plugh> ok. I'm downloading the code from github.
2016-03-26 15:15 <Plugh> One of these days I'll read up on how to make .deb packages
2016-03-26 15:35 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: I have built and installed mono from git master on my own machine. I'm rebuilding OS and will see if it made any difference.
2016-03-26 15:40 <AliciaRaven> Plugh, could it be that u have multiple regions on the same instance and calling RemoveRegion multiple times is trying to dispose an object more than once
2016-03-26 15:41 <AliciaRaven> just a guess tho, if its a null ref on shutdown
2016-03-26 15:41 <Plugh> I have two regions being run by 1 instance. I get the same red text twice. Once for each region. 
2016-03-26 15:46 <Plugh> Same errors with 2 instances and git master version of mono. I'll try it again with just a single region
2016-03-26 15:47 <jakdaniels_> The module is INonShared so should be ok
2016-03-26 15:47 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-03-26 15:48 <Plugh> Just trying to eliminate some possible sources of the problem.
2016-03-26 15:48 <Plugh> Nope. Same error. Didn't expect running a single region would change anything.
2016-03-26 15:49 <jakdaniels_> Sounds like that error is not a mono version issue.... I've tried multiple mono versions and don't get it, you've tried several and get it every time.
2016-03-26 15:50 <Plugh> yup. I think I've eliminated mono as the issue.
2016-03-26 15:50 <jakdaniels_> Did you do a clean build to make sure there's no old dlls or anything in addin-db-002 left over from a previous version?
2016-03-26 15:51 <Plugh> as clean a build as I can do as I have uncommited changes in my source tree
2016-03-26 15:53 <Plugh> I've just removed the addin-db-002 and am trying again
2016-03-26 15:53 <Plugh> What is in that directory?
2016-03-26 15:54 <AliciaRaven> addin-db-002 is often an issue with modules
2016-03-26 15:54 <AliciaRaven> its mono addins and after changes there can be fluff in there that stops modules working correctly
2016-03-26 15:55 <jakdaniels_> I think it holds a list of all the dll references and where to find them etc
2016-03-26 15:55 <Plugh> Nope. Same error. I rm -r'ed the dir before my latest attempt
2016-03-26 15:56 <Plugh> OS with git master mono appears to hang on shutdown at -> [SHUTDOWN]: Shutdown processing on main thread complete.  Exiting...
2016-03-26 15:57 <Plugh> I'm running one instance and htop shows 5 OS processes running at near 100% CPU each.
2016-03-26 15:57 <jakdaniels_> is mono git master like mono 4.5.something ... ?
2016-03-26 15:57 <Plugh> It reports as 4.5.0
2016-03-26 15:58 <Plugh> Another bad version of mono?
2016-03-26 15:58 <jakdaniels_> hmm... a bit bleeding edge for me ;)
2016-03-26 15:58 <jakdaniels_> I'm running 4.3.2.467 here now
2016-03-26 15:58 <Plugh> I still have my 4.2  :)
2016-03-26 15:58 <jakdaniels_> 4.2.x had thread issues
2016-03-26 15:59 <Plugh> I'm starting to wonder the same about 4.5
2016-03-26 16:00 <jakdaniels_> what do you get if you type find . -name "OpenSimBirds*"     in your opensim top level directory?
2016-03-26 16:00 <jakdaniels_> apart from stuff in addon-modules i see only:
2016-03-26 16:00 <jakdaniels_> ./bin/addin-db-002/addin-data/1/OpenSimBirds,0.2.maddin
2016-03-26 16:01 <jakdaniels_> ./bin/OpenSimBirds.Module.dll
2016-03-26 16:04 <Plugh> Those two and the .mdb file for the birds module
2016-03-26 16:06 <jakdaniels_> I don't have any mdb files, but then I build using ./runprebuild.sh autoclean && ./runprebuild.sh vs2010 &&
2016-03-26 16:06 <jakdaniels_>  xbuild /p:Configuration=Release
2016-03-26 16:12 <Plugh> I run debug builds as I'm often testing OS and occasionally working on modules. I want the debug information available for when I need it.
2016-03-26 16:31 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: I've built and installed mono 4.3.2 from the branch in the git repo and rebuild OS. OS shut down without getting stuck this time but still tossed out the error.
2016-03-26 16:31 <Plugh> Time for lunch. I'll bbl.
2016-03-26 17:52 <velusunivers-sys> jakdaniels_, have you ever set up an nsl money module?
2016-03-26 17:56 <jakdaniels_> no, never used any money modules
2016-03-26 17:56 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-26 18:30 <velusunivers-sys> Plugh, with nsl currency module do i need to put the modifide version of the opensim in all the robust, regions and ofcourse the money server
2016-03-26 19:08 <velusunivers-sys> its ok i got it working now anyway
2016-03-26 23:59 <velusunivers-sys> Plugh, the uuid is it in the formate of 32 hexadecimal or just 32 alphanumeric
2016-03-27 00:02 <velusunivers-sys> its ok i know now 
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2016-03-27 01:42 <velusunivers-sys> in a class if i need to create say 150 different uuid's for some stuff would i be best doing a while ($i < 150){ $uuid[] = uuid::generate();} or would i be best just creating 150 lines of $uuid{n} = uuid::generate(); ? im thinking while as it is less lines?
2016-03-27 02:16 <Melanie_> velusunivers-sys: the loop is the better readable code and the compiler will "unroll" loops for the purpose of optimization anyway
2016-03-27 02:16 <Melanie_> however, there is nurmally no need to pre-generate UUIDs
2016-03-27 02:17 <Melanie_> you can just use UUID.Random() (in Opensim C# code)
2016-03-27 02:17 <velusunivers-sys> sorry that was ment in a php channel but yeah im going to go with the while over hundrads of lines of code 
2016-03-27 02:17 <Melanie_> or if other code, use uuid::generate() when the uuid is actually needed
2016-03-27 02:17 <Melanie_> uuid generation is very lightweight
2016-03-27 02:18 <Melanie_> well, having wirtten the avination website's php as well as others, i'm qualified to answer php questions, too
2016-03-27 02:18 <Melanie_> you should generate the uuids when needed
2016-03-27 02:18 <Melanie_> not pregenerate and store them
2016-03-27 02:19 <Melanie_> i'm assuming you're writing PHP for inventory ;)
2016-03-27 02:19 <velusunivers-sys> yeah mine is sort of im using a framework for the main guts of the system and mine is basically vcryptogrophy::randomstring(32,'hexadecimal'); then i split into to chunks of four in an array and then couple them in a 2-1-1-1-3 order so then i have the uuid values
2016-03-27 02:20 <velusunivers-sys> it is for creating a create a user section
2016-03-27 02:20 <Melanie_> yeah
2016-03-27 02:20 <Melanie_> beware
2016-03-27 02:20 <Melanie_> there be dragons
2016-03-27 02:20 <velusunivers-sys> like what
2016-03-27 02:20 <Melanie_> inventory
2016-03-27 02:21 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-27 02:21 <velusunivers-sys> can you explain?
2016-03-27 02:21 <Melanie_> just to give you the gist of it
2016-03-27 02:21 <Melanie_> assume you have an inventory "template"
2016-03-27 02:21 <Melanie_> e.g. a template of what a new avatar should have/wear
2016-03-27 02:21 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-27 02:21 <Melanie_> you will need to do some major ID munging
2016-03-27 02:22 <velusunivers-sys> munging?
2016-03-27 02:22 <Melanie_> as every inventoryID needs regenerating
2016-03-27 02:22 <Melanie_> and every link needs adjusting
2016-03-27 02:22 <Melanie_> munging - changing around
2016-03-27 02:22 <Melanie_> geek colloquialism
2016-03-27 02:23 <Melanie_> for "messing around with in a major way, transforming"
2016-03-27 02:23 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-27 02:23 <Melanie_> in avination we use a set of real avatars
2016-03-27 02:24 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-27 02:24 <Melanie_> they have and wear exactly what the new user should have and wear
2016-03-27 02:24 <Melanie_> and we then transform their inventory into a new inventory for the new user
2016-03-27 02:24 <Melanie_> nonreferential
2016-03-27 02:24 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-27 02:24 <Melanie_> meaning, if the new user changes their inventory, they won't destroy the template
2016-03-27 02:25 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-27 02:25 <Melanie_> a grid website is a complex beastie
2016-03-27 02:26 <velusunivers-sys> i know 
2016-03-27 02:26 <Melanie_> did you ever check out the avination site?
2016-03-27 02:26 <velusunivers-sys> yes
2016-03-27 02:26 <velusunivers-sys> but not seen the internal code
2016-03-27 02:26 <Melanie_> i believe it is at this time the most feature complete one ou there
2016-03-27 02:27 <Melanie_> avination is built on top of a CMS
2016-03-27 02:27 <velusunivers-sys> so im guessing you would then need to have x avatars that are just for the choice.  then i would asume you would copy there inventory folders and items then would change the uuids?
2016-03-27 02:28 <Melanie_> i wrote a custom SSO plugin for thet CMS to allow it to authenticate website users against the opensim database
2016-03-27 02:28 <velusunivers-sys> im building mine from the ground up so no cms but just the whole lot
2016-03-27 02:28 <Melanie_> i recommend against that
2016-03-27 02:28 <velusunivers-sys> why?
2016-03-27 02:28 <Melanie_> the first website avination had in 2009 was hand built
2016-03-27 02:28 <Melanie_> it became unmaintainable very soon
2016-03-27 02:29 <Melanie_> meaning, only a programmer like myself was able to maintain/change t
2016-03-27 02:29 <Melanie_> it*
2016-03-27 02:29 <velusunivers-sys> i hate cms and well its hard to find one fit for all, then you have to learn there coding, which can be hard to follow
2016-03-27 02:29 <Melanie_> the problem with that is once you have people who need to add content
2016-03-27 02:29 <Melanie_> like a knowledge base
2016-03-27 02:29 <Melanie_> or translations
2016-03-27 02:29 <Melanie_> you can
2016-03-27 02:29 <Melanie_> can't give them full website access because content people are not programmers
2016-03-27 02:30 <Melanie_> so you wind up giving them texts and getting texts
2016-03-27 02:30 <velusunivers-sys> yes i know 
2016-03-27 02:30 <Melanie_> and it's your time putting stuff in
2016-03-27 02:30 <Melanie_> it soon became so much of a time sink that i redid it all 
2016-03-27 02:30 <Melanie_> did you ever look into the Typo3 CMS?
2016-03-27 02:30 <velusunivers-sys> depends on how its built, im using a "framless frame work"
2016-03-27 02:31 <Melanie_> well, yes and no in that some knowledge remains required and you still have to give accesss you may not want to give to, say, a japanese tranlator who you barely understand
2016-03-27 02:31 <velusunivers-sys> yes a few years ago, i needed help with a project and well i got so far asked for help and got no where, 
2016-03-27 02:31 <Melanie_> help is gotten where help is paod for
2016-03-27 02:31 <Melanie_> paid*
2016-03-27 02:32 <Melanie_> if you can't or won't pay, google is your friend
2016-03-27 02:32 <velusunivers-sys> i had offered to pay someone and i got silly prices like $1000 p/hr
2016-03-27 02:32 <Melanie_> i took an existing typo3 website i had access to
2016-03-27 02:32 <Melanie_> disected it
2016-03-27 02:32 <Melanie_> and learned from it
2016-03-27 02:32 <Melanie_> googled the rest
2016-03-27 02:32 <Melanie_> and did my own
2016-03-27 02:32 <Melanie_> well, i'm more reasonable
2016-03-27 02:33 <Melanie_> you may want to check your pvt
2016-03-27 02:33 <velusunivers-sys> my pvt?
2016-03-27 02:33 <velusunivers-sys> oh the price yeah i know 
2016-03-27 02:33 <Melanie_> makign a typo3 wesite from scratch costs around $20k. i come in way below that :)
2016-03-27 02:34 <velusunivers-sys> im going to give my way a try for now, or atleast to get it up and running
2016-03-27 02:34 <Melanie_> it's a duplication of effort
2016-03-27 02:35 <velusunivers-sys> yeah true 
2016-03-27 02:35 <Melanie_> and in the end, a waste of time that is much more expensive than the cash
2016-03-27 02:35 <Melanie_> because it takes YOUR time
2016-03-27 02:35 <Melanie_> which means you can't do the thing no one else can do
2016-03-27 02:35 <Melanie_> things*
2016-03-27 02:35 <velusunivers-sys> i know,
2016-03-27 02:35 <Melanie_> while you do the things others CAN do
2016-03-27 02:36 <Melanie_> once a project reaches a certain complexity it can't be a one person thing anymore
2016-03-27 02:37 <Melanie_> there are only 26 hours in the day ;)
2016-03-27 02:37 <Melanie_> i speak from experience
2016-03-27 02:37 <Melanie_> i'm really good at burning the candle at both ends
2016-03-27 02:39 <Melanie_> and you really need to check your pvt more often
2016-03-27 05:18 <osmantis> Bug #7862:04 Avatar unable to cross var borders in 0.9.0.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7862 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-27 18:19 <osmantis> Bug #7863:04 Permission Discrepancies 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7863 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-27 20:14 <osmantis> Bug #7863:04 Permission Discrepancies 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7863 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-27 20:23 <osmantis> Bug #7855:04 fsassets service not working in the dev code 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7855 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-27 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #7863:04 Permission Discrepancies 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7863 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-03-27 22:30 <H-H-H> random question folks but can hg ppl join groups?
2016-03-27 22:31 <velusunivers-sys> from what i gather if set up right they can
2016-03-27 22:32 <H-H-H> hmm thanks
2016-03-27 22:49 <Melanie_> the core groups allows it
2016-03-27 22:49 <Melanie_> xmlrpc i'm not sure
2016-03-27 22:50 <Melanie_> but i don't know if they get notices when not in the grid
2016-03-27 22:50 <Melanie_> permissions for hg people in grousp should work. diva is the expert
2016-03-27 22:50 <Melanie_> she wrote core groups
2016-03-27 22:51 <diva> yes, groups can have hg ppl, modulo eventual bugs
2016-03-27 22:58 <H-H-H> Thanks for the definitive answer guys
2016-03-27 23:04 <smxy> I vaguely recall getting notices in my grid, when sent to a group I was in, in OSgrid.
2016-03-27 23:04 <smxy> Only when I was online though.
2016-03-27 23:05 <smxy> If sent when I was offline, I never see it.
2016-03-27 23:09 <Plugh> smxy: Does osgrid not have the hooks in place to forward offline IM to email or do you have that disabled in your profile?
2016-03-27 23:13 <smxy> I don't know if it has the hooks, but I doubt it would work right even if it did. We're talking about my grid's avatar being in an OSgrid group. My profile wouldn't be available to OSgrid. Or worse, it would try to send it to my OSgrid avatar of the same name.
2016-03-27 23:15 <H-H-H> ofline/online notifications well friends in general never seem to work to well for me over hg lol
2016-03-27 23:17 <H-H-H> hey Melanie_ would you be able to pass a brief eye over http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7863
2016-03-27 23:29 <Melanie_> H-H-H: that is already open on my desktop
2016-03-27 23:30 <Melanie_> that and the console land show bug are the two i have on my list to fix
2016-03-27 23:30 <H-H-H> cool thanks i stumbled upon it while looking around on wright plazer on osgrid
2016-03-27 23:31 <Melanie_> actually, it makes no sense to allow it to open
2016-03-27 23:31 <Melanie_> unless it's "anyone may copy"
2016-03-27 23:31 <Melanie_> because copy to inventory and copy and wear, the main purposes for the open dialog, aren't possible otherwise
2016-03-27 23:32 <Melanie_> so maybe it works if you set the object to "anyone can copy"?
2016-03-27 23:32 <Melanie_> pleas etest that for me
2016-03-27 23:32 <Melanie_> if that does work then it's not really such a bad bug to kep ;)
2016-03-27 23:32 <H-H-H> i can test that right now give me 2 mins
2016-03-27 23:32 <Melanie_> keep*
2016-03-27 23:32 <Melanie_> open makes no sense if you can't copy the contents
2016-03-27 23:33 <Melanie_> for just inspecting a prim's contents, you can use the build floater
2016-03-27 23:41 <H-H-H> it still ignores the left click if it is set to anyone can copy with the when left clicked option set to open
2016-03-27 23:44 <danbanner> melanie: theres been objects in wright plaza for years that are able to be opened by shoppers that are now unable to be obtained
2016-03-27 23:44 <danbanner> 0.8 it was all fine
2016-03-28 00:59 <velusunivers-sys> ok i have something strange i can go from mine to os grid ogrid to a freinds but going back i crash and going to my friends without os grid it crashes
2016-03-28 00:59 <velusunivers-sys> on hg
2016-03-28 01:06 <velusunivers-sys> caould the 4096bug course a problem with hg
2016-03-28 01:06 <AliciaRaven> that bug has been fixed for a while now
2016-03-28 01:07 <H-H-H_> hey Alicia can we run something past you?
2016-03-28 01:07 <Plugh> your friends may not be running the same version of OS that you are using.
2016-03-28 01:07 <H-H-H_> and you plugh
2016-03-28 01:07 <velusunivers-sys> we are doing
2016-03-28 01:08 <velusunivers-sys> we both using the 0.9.0 dev, 
2016-03-28 01:08 <AliciaRaven> H-H-H_ sure, whats the Q?
2016-03-28 01:08 <Plugh> I'm listening although I was about to head off to my workbench to work on something.
2016-03-28 01:08 <H-H-H_> both <velusunivers-sys> and i are running the same verson of opensim and near identitcal configs with the exception im running it all on one box 
2016-03-28 01:09 <AliciaRaven> im abit tired so if its some thing complicated i may have to get back to you when im more alert
2016-03-28 01:09 <AliciaRaven> incomming connection issues?
2016-03-28 01:09 <H-H-H_> both are hg enabled yet when hging to each other directly the viewer crashes  however if either of  us hg to osgrid first then to the desired grid it works fine 
2016-03-28 01:10 <velusunivers-sys> but going back to our own grid from each others it crashed
2016-03-28 01:10 <H-H-H_> because it was a direct tp from yours to mine for me as i use tp home
2016-03-28 01:10 <AliciaRaven> sounds like some kind if dns issue, like if your using an internal ip for a service and connecting from another grid is failing, maybe using a ip where a domain is expected or vice versa
2016-03-28 01:11 <Plugh> Look for error messages on the Robust and OS consoles. Check the viewer to see what error it logged when it crashed.
2016-03-28 01:11 <velusunivers-sys> he is using duckdns im on a hosted service
2016-03-28 01:11 <H-H-H_> who though as we can both hg to osgrid and back home without issue 
2016-03-28 01:11 <AliciaRaven> maybe a hg config problem, getting hg to work means setting alot of vars, most will use the gatekeeper uri tho unless an override is specified
2016-03-28 01:12 <velusunivers-sys> ill look at the log for the viewer but there is no error on the console
2016-03-28 01:12 <H-H-H_> i would have thought a config issue would show up when trying to hg at all not just when i try to hg to a certain grid
2016-03-28 01:13 <H-H-H_> nope no errors on consoles at all
2016-03-28 01:13 <Plugh> If you are behind firewalls using NAT that can complicate the setup. You need to check you have the proper port forwarding settings.
2016-03-28 01:13 <velusunivers-sys> could be 
2016-03-28 01:13 <AliciaRaven> the last time i used a dns service (noip) i had issues tho in the past it worked ok, i gave up and used a fixed server in the end, wondering if something has changed to make it more tempremental with dns services but not sure what
2016-03-28 01:13 <Plugh> When splitting services you want to make sure you didn't miss one.
2016-03-28 01:13 <H-H-H_> plugh that would still also affect the overal ability to hg at all though wouldnt it?
2016-03-28 01:14 <AliciaRaven> yes, with hg there are so many settings that have to be configured just right it can be a mine field
2016-03-28 01:14 <Plugh> H-H-H_: I'm not sure. I have only ever set up one grid with HG support. 
2016-03-28 01:15 <AliciaRaven> it could be the remote grid cant connect to authenticate the transfer but the viewer can, so it could be incomming connections from other grids not the viewer itself
2016-03-28 01:15 <H-H-H_> my issue is i can hg to osgrid and back to my home grid without problem so i considered that hg working just when i try to hg to <velusunivers-sys> directly it crashes the viewer with no errors logged anywhere in any console
2016-03-28 01:15 <velusunivers-sys> an i aint got split services yet
2016-03-28 01:15 <AliciaRaven> H-H-H_ so u only have issues going to velus's?
2016-03-28 01:16 <velusunivers-sys> yes 
2016-03-28 01:16 <velusunivers-sys> and same me going to his only with his
2016-03-28 01:16 <AliciaRaven> then velus must have some incorrect uri some where i bet
2016-03-28 01:16 <H-H-H_> if either of us use osgrid as the middle man we can go to each other fine
2016-03-28 01:17 <Plugh> Indeed. It does sound like a configuration error.
2016-03-28 01:17 <H-H-H_> thats why i asked who lol
2016-03-28 01:18 <AliciaRaven> if hop to osgrid works then i think its maybe more of a hidden outside case senario
2016-03-28 01:18 <Plugh> You can each go from your own system to osgrid and back to your own system without a problem?
2016-03-28 01:18 <H-H-H_> both configs are as near as damit identical with exception of urls and ips and db stuff
2016-03-28 01:18 <velusunivers-sys> yes we go to os then to each other fine but to each other stright is the problem or going back from each other
2016-03-28 01:19 <AliciaRaven> both on a real server not some home system with funky router configs that could cause issue?
2016-03-28 01:19 <H-H-H_> yes plugh and ty Alicia that is what im trying to say i think it is to unless its a very very bizare viewer issue
2016-03-28 01:19 <Plugh> If you make use of the Const section you can have identical ini files except for the Const section and where the DB connection strings are specified.
2016-03-28 01:19 <H-H-H_> im home hosted 
2016-03-28 01:19 <velusunivers-sys> yes we do on them both 
2016-03-28 01:19 <velusunivers-sys> im company hosted
2016-03-28 01:20 <AliciaRaven> i would say try to get more tests, can u go to some other grids?
2016-03-28 01:20 <Plugh> I'm back to what I said earlier. Look for error messages.
2016-03-28 01:20 <H-H-H_> i can go to a lot of the still active ones on the list in wiki 
2016-03-28 01:20 <H-H-H_> there is none plugh
2016-03-28 01:21 <H-H-H_> none whatsoever it just looks on the consoles like a normal hg transfer then client logs out msg as viewer crashes
2016-03-28 01:21 <Plugh> A lot of viewers will record why they crashed. If it doesn't create a log file run it from a console instead of menu icon on the desktop. It will print a lot of stuff to the screen and you can see what it said after it crashes.
2016-03-28 01:22 <H-H-H_> sorry i was asuming you meant opensim loli havent actually checked the dumps from the viewer yet 
2016-03-28 01:22 <Plugh> I said to check all three.
2016-03-28 01:22 <velusunivers-sys> where can i find the log file for singualrity
2016-03-28 01:24 <Plugh> It is under ~/.secondlife. If you are using Windows I would guess it will be somewhere under an Applications Data directory but I couldn't say for sure.
2016-03-28 01:24 <velusunivers-sys> got it 
2016-03-28 01:29 <H-H-H_> interesting ty for the hint plugh
2016-03-28 01:30 <danbanner> the regions arent using the same coordinates or region names in both grids are they?
2016-03-28 01:31 <H-H-H_> i will paste the relevant part of the log for singu all it says is disconnecting viewer
2016-03-28 01:31 <H-H-H_> im at the default 256,256,256 @ 1000,1000
2016-03-28 01:32 <danbanner> and whats velusunivers-sys's region at?
2016-03-28 01:32 <velusunivers-sys> 1000 1000 and mine is welcome
2016-03-28 01:32 <danbanner> lol
2016-03-28 01:32 <danbanner> try changing coordinates of one of them
2016-03-28 01:32 <velusunivers-sys> ok i will
2016-03-28 01:33 <Plugh> I wouldn't think it should make a difference. You have no way of knowing if the coordinates of regions you are going to are the same as where you are coming from when doing HG TP's between grids.
2016-03-28 01:34 <H-H-H_> http://pastebin.com/r4Dp4XeZ
2016-03-28 01:34 <H-H-H_> thats the relevant part of viewer log when i try to hg to velus
2016-03-28 01:35 <velusunivers-sys> ok dan you was right i changed to 1000,2000 and now it works
2016-03-28 01:35 <danbanner> :)
2016-03-28 01:36 <H-H-H_> how friggin bizare lol ty dan
2016-03-28 01:36 <danbanner> yw
2016-03-28 01:36 <velusunivers-sys> ty
2016-03-28 01:36 <velusunivers-sys> is there a way to fix that problem then?
2016-03-28 01:36 <danbanner> ya dont share coordinates ;p
2016-03-28 01:37 <velusunivers-sys> i mean in the code and not co ords
2016-03-28 01:37 <danbanner> theres like 8 billion possible locations
2016-03-28 01:37 <danbanner> more than all the grids and standalones combined
2016-03-28 01:38 <danbanner> you'd need to check with diva why thats an issue 
2016-03-28 01:38 <danbanner> i think its been looked at before
2016-03-28 01:38 <H-H-H_> have i found another bug lol
2016-03-28 01:38 <velusunivers-sys> yeah i know but there will be the odd one that will conflict like that and with the standard beig 1000,1000 then it would happen a lot 
2016-03-28 01:38 <danbanner> its been a known issue since HG began
2016-03-28 01:39 <velusunivers-sys> diva you about?
2016-03-28 01:43 <danbanner> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4991
2016-03-28 01:44 <danbanner> might need to have the warning added back
2016-03-28 01:47 <velusunivers-sys> yep might do 
2016-03-28 01:47 <danbanner> at least you'll get a message and the teleport will fail, avoiding the crash
2016-03-28 01:48 <velusunivers-sys> yeah which is better than crashing and hunting for hours for the reason
2016-03-28 01:50 <misterblue> is this a viewer or simulator crash?
2016-03-28 01:50 <misterblue> there are a lot of data structures in both that never expected there to be two different regions as the save world coordinate
2016-03-28 01:51 <misterblue> 'save' => 'same'
2016-03-28 02:00 <danbanner> its a viewer crash i believe
2016-03-28 02:01 <velusunivers-sys> viewer 
2016-03-28 02:01 <velusunivers-sys> but could be caused by the server but the server is not showing an error but getting confused
2016-03-28 02:01 <velusunivers-sys> cos it only loggs out on the server when you close the viewer
2016-03-28 02:06 <AliciaRaven> yes, HG is a hack to load regions from 2 grids into the space designed for a single grid, maybe if the server checked the teleport coords for a conflict an error could be sent to the viewer to prevent the teleport
2016-03-28 02:08 <AliciaRaven> http://www.spellscape.co.uk/galaxy/wrong_lod.jpg < spot the city block lol
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2016-03-28 03:36 <velusunivers-sys> is there a way to view a jpg of a texture asset using a uuid of the asset through the server i.e domain.org:8002/assets/{uuid}
2016-03-28 03:37 <AliciaRaven> velusunivers-sys, thats is done by alot of grids but requires custom code
2016-03-28 03:39 <velusunivers-sys> ok thanks 
2016-03-28 03:42 <velusunivers-sys> AliciaRaven, does the server convert jpg to j2k for the assets, when you upload?
2016-03-28 03:42 <AliciaRaven> yes, but if it has alpha i think it uses another format, tga i think
2016-03-28 03:43 <AliciaRaven> graphics cards dont like either, they are happier with dds or dxt
2016-03-28 03:43 <velusunivers-sys> yeah im just looking for pics like profile pics and such
2016-03-28 03:43 <AliciaRaven> in that case yea its just converting j2k to a viewable format
2016-03-28 03:44 <AliciaRaven> we do it at spellscape for location profile pics and also marketplace images
2016-03-28 03:44 <velusunivers-sys> yeah i want to avide imagick in php as it hogs the resorces so was thinking that if the assets server would do it better
2016-03-28 03:53 <velusunivers-sys> it sems easy enough to do AliciaRaven from what i can see 
2016-03-28 03:54 <Melanie_> imagemagick can
2016-03-28 03:54 <Melanie_> can' decode j2k
2016-03-28 03:54 <Melanie_> openjpeg can
2016-03-28 03:54 <AliciaRaven> yes, its a very simple module to program
2016-03-28 03:55 <Melanie_> also, the server never sees anything but j2k
2016-03-28 03:55 <Melanie_> the viewer converts png, jpg and tga to j2k
2016-03-28 03:55 <Melanie_> then send it to the server
2016-03-28 03:55 <Melanie_> by the same token, the graphics layer never seen j2k
2016-03-28 03:55 <Melanie_> sees*
2016-03-28 03:55 <velusunivers-sys> imajick can decode j2k i have used it before in another project for that, but it used alot of resorcs
2016-03-28 03:56 <Melanie_> but instead the j2k is decoded mipwise and sent up via opengl
2016-03-28 03:56 <Melanie_> well, the version of imagick i had when i did the website couldn
2016-03-28 03:56 <Melanie_> t
2016-03-28 03:56 <Melanie_> maybe that filter was added since
2016-03-28 03:56 <velusunivers-sys> how long ago was that? 
2016-03-28 03:56 <AliciaRaven> Melanie_ i would expect the graphics layer only sees dds or dxt compressed formats?
2016-03-28 03:56 <Melanie_> 2 years give or tske
2016-03-28 03:57 <Melanie_> i didn't read the vewer rendering code ut it would only get what it understands
2016-03-28 03:57 <Melanie_> quite obviously as giving it someting it can't understand would not work :P
2016-03-28 03:58 <Melanie_> j2k was chosen bcause it is a streaming format that can be decoded mipwise
2016-03-28 03:58 <velusunivers-sys> dose opensim have a j2k encoder and decoder built in?
2016-03-28 03:58 <Melanie_> the original UDP texture code would receive a block and feed it to the decoder instance
2016-03-28 03:58 <Melanie_> which would then signal if a new mip is available
2016-03-28 03:59 <Melanie_> and the mip would then be sent to opengl to replace the lower mip of the texture
2016-03-28 03:59 <Melanie_> today, http texture loading uses heuristics to determine how to best transfer chunks
2016-03-28 03:59 <AliciaRaven> Melanie_ http://www.spellscape.co.uk/galaxy/g_import.jpg
2016-03-28 03:59 <Melanie_> it fetches the first few bytes to gather the texture size and compression flags
2016-03-28 04:00 <Melanie_> then requests about 1.5 x more bytes as the next mip should need
2016-03-28 04:00 <Melanie_> to be sure each http fetch gets a comnplete mip
2016-03-28 04:01 <Melanie_> velusunivers-sys: opensim include openjpeg
2016-03-28 04:01 <Melanie_> theoretically, opensim could convert j2k to another format on the server
2016-03-28 04:01 <Melanie_> but doing so would use resources
2016-03-28 04:01 <Melanie_> and be another avenue for DOS attacks
2016-03-28 04:02 <Melanie_> AliciaRaven: looking good
2016-03-28 04:02 <AliciaRaven> ty, im very happy with the file select dialog for uploads, basic but i had fun coding it lol
2016-03-28 04:02 <AliciaRaven> http://www.spellscape.co.uk/galaxy/g_filedialog.jpg
2016-03-28 04:31 <velusunivers-sys> when meshes are saved in the assets are they still collada files? or something else?
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2016-03-28 04:57 <misterblue> Internally, meshes are stored internally in a funky SL specific format: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mesh/Mesh_Asset_Format
2016-03-28 04:59 <misterblue> lots of internals there
2016-03-28 05:00 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-03-28 05:01 <velusunivers-sys> wow my idea has gotten a lot more complex now lol
2016-03-28 05:03 <velusunivers-sys> ok so when you upload a mesh it is converted on the side of the viewer then?
2016-03-28 05:04 <velusunivers-sys> or does it just upload to the simulator then that does all the work to convert it
2016-03-28 05:04 <misterblue> I'm not sure where the conversion is done... whether viewer or simulator
2016-03-28 05:04 <misterblue> there is code in Meshmerizer.cs that does the unpacking of that format (doing all the decompressing and tag checking)
2016-03-28 05:05 <velusunivers-sys> ok. i was thinking of working on a mesher uploader from the website and also a viewer too
2016-03-28 05:07 <misterblue> there are several people doing that also... lots of semi-hidden, one or two person projects scattered around
2016-03-28 05:09 <velusunivers-sys> hmmm where would i find one to look at?>
2016-03-28 05:09 <AliciaRaven> velusunivers-sys why would anyone want to upload mesh from the website if they can do it from the viewer and be able to view it streight away in world
2016-03-28 05:10 <velusunivers-sys> true true hut there is also the part of viewer from the website from a market place
2016-03-28 05:11 <AliciaRaven> that can be usful tho because a marketplace can be searched without having to look round all the virtual stores in world
2016-03-28 05:11 <velusunivers-sys> yeah i know but if the mesh code is complex it may be hard to do then
2016-03-28 05:11 <AliciaRaven> anyone wanting to upload a mesh will want to see it right away so wont bother with a website based system
2016-03-28 05:12 <velusunivers-sys> yeah maybe not but the viewer side im wanting to get done soon
2016-03-28 05:12 <AliciaRaven> your working on viewer side?
2016-03-28 05:13 <velusunivers-sys> wanting to, was going to look at .js based viewers for the site, but needed to know how assets was stored, it might be harder
2016-03-28 05:16 <AliciaRaven> js is evil
2016-03-28 05:37 <velusunivers-sys> yes but how else will you do it with a php website?
2016-03-28 05:43 <AliciaRaven> well good luck with that
2016-03-28 09:39 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-28 14:16 <osmantis> Bug #7865:04 PGSQL Eliminate a casting error when purging old group notices 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7865 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-28 14:17 <osmantis> Bug #7865:04 PGSQL Eliminate a casting error when purging old group notices 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7865 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-03-28 16:10 <CrzySonja> Anyone alive and awake this morning?
2016-03-28 16:29 <osmantis> Bug #7866:04 Updating to dev branch produces "Couldn't select region" errors when trying to change regions in console. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7866 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-28 16:32 <Plugh> There might be one or two people in that state.
2016-03-28 16:33 <CrzySonja> Heh
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2016-03-28 17:48 <osmantis> Bug #7867:04 FEATURE REQUEST: Add provisioning for making a Group Note STICKY. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7867 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-03-28 18:23 <osmantis> Bug #7867:04 FEATURE REQUEST: Add provisioning for making a Group Note STICKY. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7867 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-28 18:31 <osmantis> Bug #7867:04 FEATURE REQUEST: Add provisioning for making a Group Note STICKY. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7867 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-28 18:33 <osmantis> Bug #7867:04 FEATURE REQUEST: Add provisioning for making a Group Note STICKY. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7867 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-28 18:33 <velusunivers-sys> hey H-H-H 
2016-03-28 18:37 <osmantis> Bug #7867:04 FEATURE REQUEST: Add provisioning for making a Group Note STICKY. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7867 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-28 19:37 <osmantis> Bug #7867:04 FEATURE REQUEST: Add provisioning for making a Group Note STICKY. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7867 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-28 19:47 <RazWelles> Hey, anyone familiar with libomv? I'm logging a bot into OpenSim but it gets logged out without triggering the disconnect or loggedout event
2016-03-28 19:49 <Melanie_T> did you implement all possible error events?
2016-03-28 19:49 <RazWelles> Melanie_T: I don't think I did, but the documentation is gone from the libomv site :(
2016-03-28 19:49 <Melanie_T> maybe an error occurs and prevents the regular logout sequence
2016-03-28 19:50 <osmantis> Bug #7867:04 FEATURE REQUEST: Add provisioning for making a Group Note STICKY. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7867 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-28 19:52 <RazWelles> Melanie_T: I checked network.loggedout and network.disconnected what other events should I look for?
2016-03-28 19:52 <Melanie_T> i'm not familiar enough with libomv client programmng anmore to say offhand
2016-03-28 19:53 <osmantis> Bug #7867:04 FEATURE REQUEST: Add provisioning for making a Group Note STICKY. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7867 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-28 19:54 <Melanie_T> in my experience, disconnected has always worked
2016-03-28 19:54 <RazWelles> Hm, I see something that says "setting conn limit for <server> to 32" could it be having two clients running is causing the issue?
2016-03-28 19:56 <osmantis> Bug #7867:04 FEATURE REQUEST: Add provisioning for making a Group Note STICKY. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7867 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-28 20:03 <osmantis> Bug #7867:04 FEATURE REQUEST: Add provisioning for making a Group Note STICKY. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7867 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-28 20:10 <RazWelles> Melanie_T: Think I pinpointed the issue
2016-03-28 20:10 <RazWelles> System.DllNotFoundException: libopenjpeg-dotnet-2-1.5.0-dotnet-1-x86_64 at (wrapper managed-to-native) OpenMetaverse.Imaging.OpenJPEG:DotNetAllocEncoded64 (OpenMetaverse.Imaging.OpenJPEG/MarshalledImage&)
2016-03-28 20:10 <Melanie_T> that'll do it
2016-03-28 20:10 <RazWelles> I compiled from git but maybe there's a problem in git?
2016-03-28 20:10 <Melanie_T> nope. it just doesn't contain openjpeg
2016-03-28 20:10 <Melanie_T> that is an external project
2016-03-28 20:10 <RazWelles> Ohhhh ok, I need to add it to the path
2016-03-28 20:10 <Melanie_T> you can take it from an opensim binary distro
2016-03-28 20:11 <Melanie_T> or from a omv binary download
2016-03-28 20:11 <RazWelles> thanks :) I'll do that
2016-03-28 20:11 <Melanie_T> put it into bin
2016-03-28 20:19 <osmantis> Bug #7867:04 FEATURE REQUEST: Add provisioning for making a Group Note STICKY. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7867 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-28 21:43 <osmantis> Bug #7866:04 Updating to dev branch produces "Couldn't select region" errors when trying to change regions in console. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7866 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-28 22:23 <osmantis> Bug #7866:04 Updating to dev branch produces "Couldn't select region" errors when trying to change regions in console. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7866 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-03-28 23:53 <Plugh> RazWelles: You could see if the libomv docs that aren't there any more are still available in the internet archive at http://archive.org/
2016-03-28 23:58 <H-H-H> google cache
2016-03-29 00:07 <H-H-H> does anyone know if scripted hud objects should work over hg?
2016-03-29 00:16 <Melanie_T> define "work"
2016-03-29 00:17 <Melanie_T> should the script run? Yes, if your suitcase and the HGAssetServer of the originating grid are configured properly, unless that grid forbids the export of scripts or the other grid forbids the import
2016-03-29 00:18 <Melanie_T> should it have full functonality? maybe not. if it depends on ip addresses reachable on only one grid (like the avination translator) it will work only there
2016-03-29 00:18 <Melanie_T> if it depends on in world server objects, it would only work in the grid of origin
2016-03-29 00:19 <Melanie_T> and finally, the destination grid may limit things like osFunctions, causing compile error that would make the script stop
2016-03-29 00:19 <Melanie_T> that is while it's wise to stick to pure LSL when writing scripts that should work anywhere
2016-03-29 00:28 <H-H-H> sorry i was afk
2016-03-29 00:29 <H-H-H> i have a script that will tp to a destination over hg
2016-03-29 00:30 <H-H-H> its attached to a tp hud and works fine in my home grid i can click it and hg tp to wherever as the menu appears and it does its thing but if i say hg to osgrid and then click the same button it does nothing 
2016-03-29 00:30 <H-H-H> hg back home and works fine
2016-03-29 01:23 <danbanner> is it using osTeleportAgent?
2016-03-29 01:32 <Melanie_T> osgrid is not a homogenous environment
2016-03-29 01:32 <Melanie_T> different regions may disallow different things
2016-03-29 01:32 <Melanie_T> since you made it, just test
2016-03-29 01:33 <Melanie_T> use the hud to tp to osg
2016-03-29 01:33 <Melanie_T> then see if you can open the script once there
2016-03-29 01:33 <Melanie_T> if you can reset it
2016-03-29 01:33 <Melanie_T> if the script is empty, you are on a region that doesn't accept user compiled scripts
2016-03-29 01:34 <Melanie_T> if you click reset and nothing happens, you're on a region that doesn't allow you to run scripts, or the script has failed because osTeleportAgent has been disabled
2016-03-29 01:34 <Melanie_T> now, careful, this test will destroy your HUD
2016-03-29 01:34 <Melanie_T> work on a copy!!!
2016-03-29 01:34 <Melanie_T> in your home grid, wear the copy
2016-03-29 01:34 <Melanie_T> click the button to go to osg
2016-03-29 01:34 <Melanie_T> once there, make a minor whitespace edit to the script
2016-03-29 01:34 <Melanie_T> save it and see if it compiles
2016-03-29 01:35 <Melanie_T> you may get errors or a flat refusal to compie
2016-03-29 01:35 <Melanie_T> whichever, this will have changed the asset id and it may not be on your home grid, so discard this copy
2016-03-29 01:35 <Melanie_T> finally, go to osg while NT wearing the hud
2016-03-29 01:35 <Melanie_T> wear it there asnd watch for error messages both in script errors and in the chat
2016-03-29 01:35 <Melanie_T> the conbination of these tests should give you an answer
2016-03-29 01:36 <H-H-H> it had the hand icon for touch but seemed to ignore my click and then when i tried to look at the script it just said loading
2016-03-29 01:36 <H-H-H> on wright plaza
2016-03-29 01:48 <Melanie_T> then your grid doesn't allow script export or WP doesn't allow outside scripts
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2016-03-29 12:41 <osmantis> Bug #7867:04 FEATURE REQUEST: Add provisioning for making a Group Note STICKY. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7867 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-03-29 14:20 <Sarkot> Hi, can anyone help me with a permissions issue that I have with my grid?
2016-03-29 14:22 <Sarkot> I cant manage to give full power permissions to avatars in my grid. I loaded a few oars with my avatar and now all prims have as owner my avatar, but others cant edit prims at all. I tried setting their user level to 200. I use Singularity Viewer and tried the "Request admin status" but got a denied petition.
2016-03-29 15:00 <ssm2017> Sarkot robust needs to be restarted after changing a userlevel in db
2016-03-29 15:10 <Sarkot> i know that xD, but thanks. i seem to have made it work. i think it was an issue with the [permissions] section in opensim.imi, where everything was disabled. i have enabled a few things and now it seems to work fine, i can now take prims and edit them.
2016-03-29 15:10 <Sarkot> but thanks anyway ssm2017
2016-03-29 15:12 <ssm2017> loginlevel in robust side is only for grid gods. but you can set gods in region owner or parcel owner or estate owner level in opensim.ini (as you maybe did)
2016-03-29 15:17 <Sarkot> yeah i did that. i set everything in that section to enabled so i can try everything and see how it works exactly. i hope avatars with user level 0 dont get affected by these settings because we dont want them to be able to move/take/edit anything that they dont own, we jsut want them to be able to interact with prims with scripts
2016-03-29 15:21 <ssm2017> on my side, i leave the users in robust with level 0 and i set "estate manager is god" in opensim.ini and then i add the users in estate manager using a viewer. only the etate managers of the region can use god mode and only in the desired region. (when teleporting to another region after enabling god mode, the viewer shows that god mode is still enabled but it has no effect on other regions)
2016-03-29 15:23 <Sarkot> i dont see any estate manage is god option in opensim.ini
2016-03-29 15:24 <Sarkot> do you mean region/manager/parcel owner is god?
2016-03-29 15:25 <Sarkot> anyway everything is of my property because i loaded all the oars myself and created all regions, and if the users i want have enough powers to edit whatever they want in the regions i decide then i guess i will just leave it like this
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2016-03-29 16:56 <velusunivers-sys> hey all
2016-03-29 20:18 <velusunivers-sys> Plugh, did the mumble\whisper module have bi directional sounds and distance?
2016-03-29 20:19 <Plugh> I have no idea. I've never used it.
2016-03-29 20:20 <velusunivers-sys> Melanie_T, do you know
2016-03-29 21:02 <Melanie_T> it does
2016-03-29 21:03 <velusunivers-sys> is it any good?
2016-03-29 21:12 <Melanie_T> i didn't actually do much testing. it's windows-only and that isn't useful for me, i'm on mac and linux
2016-03-29 21:50 <velusunivers-sys> sorry i crashed Melanie_T the mumble server is for all platforms
2016-03-29 21:54 <velusunivers-sys> acording to their site anyway
2016-03-29 22:25 <velusunivers-sys> how do i set the health on opensimulator region
2016-03-29 22:32 <AliciaRaven> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlSetDamage
2016-03-29 22:37 <velusunivers-sys> thanks
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2016-03-30 07:15 <ssm2017> hello. using 0.8.2.1-pf we have a renament timer script that is causing an error in the viewer. the object containing the script was removed but the timer is still present and causing errors in viewer.
2016-03-30 07:15 <ssm2017> the viewer is the last firestorm
2016-03-30 07:16 <ssm2017> the script is not in the list when using : "show script timers" and is not in the database of the simulator
2016-03-30 07:19 <AliciaRaven> ssm2017, have u cleared the sims script folder and restarted?
2016-03-30 07:21 <ssm2017> AliciaRaven i have used "fcache clear" then restarted the sim and then "fcache assets" and used a new bin folder and deleted firestorm folders
2016-03-30 07:23 <ssm2017> the alchemy viewer is not showing errors but my avatar is turning its head every ten seconds to the place where the script is designed to be (as firestorm is giving me the script coordinates)
2016-03-30 07:23 <AliciaRaven> u probably just need to delete the compiled scripts from bin\ScriptEngines but not the state files if u want other scripts to remember their states
2016-03-30 07:24 <AliciaRaven> oh new bin folder u said
2016-03-30 07:24 <ssm2017> yes, new bin folder empty
2016-03-30 07:24 <ssm2017> i have also tried : deletescritpsonstartup = true, scriptstopstrategy = abort et killtimedoutscripts = true
2016-03-30 07:25 <AliciaRaven> u sure there isnt another copy of the script some where in the region?
2016-03-30 07:26 <ssm2017> i am not sure but firestorm is giving me the name of the script in the notification area and its location
2016-03-30 07:26 <AliciaRaven> can u get a UUID for the prim?
2016-03-30 07:27 <AliciaRaven> if so u might be able to locate it in the primitems db table and remove it
2016-03-30 07:27 <ssm2017> there is nothing in the location said (using beacons) there is nothing with this name in the simulator db, the "show script timers" is not showing me this script (there are 4 scripted timers and i have asked info using "show scripts UUID" and this annoying script is not listed)
2016-03-30 07:28 <ssm2017> i have tried the prim table and the primitems table
2016-03-30 07:29 <AliciaRaven> when u deleted the firestorm folders, did u also delete the second life folder that contains cache that is shared between viewers?
2016-03-30 07:29 <ssm2017> no, i will try
2016-03-30 07:33 <ssm2017> all viewers folders deleted in local and roaming folders --> problem still present
2016-03-30 07:33 <ssm2017> i will delete again the bin folder to be completely sure
2016-03-30 07:41 <ssm2017> still present
2016-03-30 07:41 <ssm2017> i will try with singularity
2016-03-30 07:42 <AliciaRaven> u said u checked prim table for the coords and there is nothing?
2016-03-30 07:43 <ssm2017> no, i have not checked using the coord, i have checked using the name. i will try with coords
2016-03-30 07:49 <ssm2017> AliciaRaven firestorm and singularity are giving me different coordinates, do you know if this is really coords ? singu = 151.15,168.32 firestorm = 151,168,1986
2016-03-30 07:49 <ssm2017> the error is : lsSetWindlightScene can only be used by estate managers or owners.
2016-03-30 07:51 <ssm2017> select Name from prims where PositionX = 151; returns en empty set
2016-03-30 07:52 <AliciaRaven> thats just a float rounding off, may have to use <> to select items close to the coords
2016-03-30 07:52 <AliciaRaven> in db i mean
2016-03-30 07:54 <AliciaRaven> if thats the X coord, example i would try is..
2016-03-30 07:54 <AliciaRaven> SELECT * FROM `prims` WHERE `PositionX` > '150' AND `PositionX` < '152';
2016-03-30 07:54 <ssm2017> empty set
2016-03-30 07:55 <AliciaRaven> strange, not sure what else to suggest at this point
2016-03-30 07:55 <ssm2017> PositionX is not clear for me, the values are like : 70.41693878173828
2016-03-30 07:57 <ssm2017> ok, i will try to restore an oar
2016-03-30 07:57 <ssm2017> thank you AliciaRaven for your attention
2016-03-30 08:14 <ssm2017> wao AliciaRaven (for info) i have deleted the simulator db, deleted the bin folder, deleted firestorm folders so began with a clean new empty simulator (without loading oar, just a start island) and the script is still here :)
2016-03-30 08:15 <ssm2017> i will chek my attachments....
2016-03-30 08:15 <ssm2017> i just wear clothes made without any prim
2016-03-30 08:16 <ssm2017> still the same coords
2016-03-30 08:18 <AliciaRaven> very strange, i think ur sim is haunted lol
2016-03-30 08:19 <ssm2017> :)
2016-03-30 08:19 <ssm2017> i have a track... i have stopped all the neighbours sims and it stopped so the script is on another region but it speaks here
2016-03-30 08:20 <ssm2017> i restart them one by one
2016-03-30 08:21 <AliciaRaven> i was wondering if it was a child prim overhanging, but i expected that to still run on the region its based in
2016-03-30 08:22 <ssm2017> i have crossed to the neighbour regions and the error stopped so the script should not be in neighbour region but yes, it is
2016-03-30 08:22 <ssm2017> outbound
2016-03-30 08:31 <ssm2017> yep, i have the simulator hosting the script.... need one to find it :)
2016-03-30 08:44 <ssm2017> AliciaRaven problem solved, it was in a neighbour region and the object was present, i have deleted it and now the alerts are gone :)
2016-03-30 09:08 <ssm2017> AliciaRaven cadeau : https://framapic.org/K0TOdLS5Vlw4/3T8s8JB2Iy2F.png
2016-03-30 09:33 <AliciaRaven> ah hidding up in the sky lol
2016-03-30 09:38 <Priestov> hi all
2016-03-30 10:05 <ssm2017> hello Priestov 
2016-03-30 13:01 <Sarkot> hi everyone, can someone recommend a voice module they use for your grids?
2016-03-30 13:05 <Sarkot> i have read about mumble but apparently requires that each region with the service needs its own opensim.exe running, which is not convenient at all
2016-03-30 13:05 <Sarkot> what about freeswitch module? works fine?
2016-03-30 13:09 <Sarkot> oh btw the users of my grid will be using singularity viewer, i dont know if thats a problem for certain solutions for voice
2016-03-30 14:13 <osmantis> Bug #7865:04 PGSQL Eliminate a casting error when purging old group notices 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7865 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
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2016-03-31 01:18 <velusunivers-sys> just a quicky if im wanting to load an oar of a mega region of 5x5 do i need to create the regions first or just do it in root
2016-03-31 08:36 <Aramis^> I was going to say check at 1986:  <ssm2017> AliciaRaven firestorm and singularity are giving me different coordinates, do you know if this is really coords ? singu = 151.15,168.32 firestorm = 151,168,1986
2016-03-31 08:51 <ssm2017> Aramis^ the script was at 1986 height.... but on another region :)
2016-03-31 08:52 <ssm2017> it looks like singu did not give me the height
2016-03-31 08:54 <LiruCookies> Uhm... script?
2016-03-31 08:55 <ssm2017> script inside an object
2016-03-31 08:57 <ssm2017> LiruCookies on yesterday, i had an issue using 0.8.2.1-pf with a script shouting an error every 5 secs about permissions and i was receiving the error notification on a neighbour region
2016-03-31 08:57 <LiruCookies> And it works different between viewers? that makes no sense.
2016-03-31 08:58 <ssm2017> firestorm was giving me the good coordinates (but the object was on another region). singularity was not giving me the height but x and y ok and alchemy was not notifiing me the error but the avatar turned its head every 5sec to the sky
2016-03-31 08:59 <LiruCookies> But... what?
2016-03-31 08:59 <ssm2017> the weird part is that the script was on region A and i was receiving errors notifications on region B too
2016-03-31 09:01 <ssm2017> maybe the object was resized or anything else and the root of the object was on the region B and the object itself was on region A (the object was a mesh) so the simulator A was spitting the script error on itself and simulator B was spitting error too because of the root location
2016-03-31 09:02 <ssm2017> sometimes, weird things appear when resizing meshes
2016-03-31 16:57 <H-H-H> hey guys and gals whats the easyest way to create a inventory folder from within a region module
2016-03-31 17:21 <AliciaRaven2> H-H-H investigate the inventory service which can be accessed through scene eg > Scene.InventoryService.AddFolder(folder);
2016-03-31 17:22 <AliciaRaven> create the folder as a InventoryFolderBase class then pass it in
2016-03-31 17:23 <AliciaRaven> to send the update to the client use > Scene.SendInventoryUpdate(Client, Folder, true, true);
2016-03-31 17:48 <H-H-H> ok ty 
2016-03-31 17:49 <H-H-H> does that apply if i want it to be a system folder?
2016-03-31 17:50 <AliciaRaven> system folders should already exist, but if not then i think there is a flag u can set on the folder object to indicate which system folder it is
2016-03-31 17:51 <H-H-H> they do exxist lol i want to add another one
2016-03-31 17:51 <AliciaRaven> Folder.Type = (short)FolderType.Clothing;
2016-03-31 17:51 <AliciaRaven> well adding two of the same system folder could cause confusion, ie the system will use the first one it gets back when requesting it
2016-03-31 17:51 <H-H-H> i was just looking @ similar :) ty
2016-03-31 17:52 <H-H-H> im not adding a duplicate im adding a new system folder
2016-03-31 17:53 <Melanie_> H-H-H: You can't add a system folder the viewer desn't know about
2016-03-31 17:53 <Melanie_> it will show as a normal folder regardless of type
2016-03-31 17:53 <H-H-H> i can if i also add it to libomv and the viewer
2016-03-31 20:03 <velusunivers-sys> who used monodevelop for the coding? how do i load opensim into mono develop? do i need to run prebuild.bat first
2016-03-31 20:04 <H-H-H> run prebuild.bat then right click OpenSim.sln and chose open with and select monodevelop
2016-03-31 20:04 <H-H-H> i think that should work on win im on linux so could be wrong
2016-03-31 20:05 <velusunivers-sys> ok i will do 
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2016-03-31 22:59 <H-H-H> ok guys im hopeing someone can point out the probably stupid mistake ive made but i have a region module which calls DoFolderCheck (client); from the OnNewClient event 
2016-03-31 22:59 <H-H-H> the code for that function is http://pastebin.com/i8BynNKs
2016-03-31 23:01 <H-H-H> which as far as i know should check the folders in inv of the av and if the folder isnt there then create it and then refresh stuff  however when i try it the check works and it creates the folder however it doesnt refresh the inv listing in viewer untill a relog
2016-03-31 23:02 <H-H-H> if anyone has a spare few minutes that might be able to shed some light on it  many thanks in advance :)
2016-04-01 07:23 <kaz_> Hello - I am having crashes on my grid -  and looking at the various web feedback I want to incress my MaxPoolThreads - however I cannot find this in 0.8.2 opensim.ini -  could someone tell me where ithis setting is?
2016-04-01 15:36 <osmantis> Bug #7868:04 "My Suitcase" folder missing in OSgrid. (unavailabe) objects are available 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7868 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-04-01 17:02 <osmantis> Bug #7754:04 Duplicate chat output from agents and objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7754 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-04-01 17:03 <osmantis> Bug #7763:04 OpenSim crashes on shutdown (Windows) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7763 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-04-01 19:37 <velusunivers-sys> in the UserAccounts table what is the active coum for
2016-04-01 20:04 <Melanie_> velusunivers-sys: users where this is 0 are not found in avatar pickers
2016-04-01 20:04 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-04-01 20:05 <Melanie_> it's meant for inactive accounts
2016-04-01 20:05 <Melanie_> like poeple you banned or who didn't pay
2016-04-01 20:05 <Melanie_> as in SL, the users will still show as object creators/owners and as members of groups
2016-04-01 20:05 <Melanie_> but they don't show in avatar pickers, can't be added to new groups or land, etc
2016-04-01 20:15 <H-H-H> ok guys im hopeing someone can point out the probably stupid mistake ive made but i have a region module which calls DoFolderCheck (client); from the OnNewClient event 
2016-04-01 20:15 <H-H-H> http://pastebin.com/i8BynNKs
2016-04-01 20:15 <H-H-H> which as far as i know should check the folders in inv of the av and if the folder isnt there then create it and then refresh stuff  however when i try it the check works and it creates the folder however it doesnt refresh the inv listing in viewer untill a relog
2016-04-01 20:24 <Melanie_> you need to SendBulkUpdateInventory the stuff to the viewer explicitly
2016-04-01 20:24 <Melanie_> the inventory API doesn't do any viewer updating itself
2016-04-01 20:25 <H-H-H> TY Melanie_ I will look into that
2016-04-01 20:28 <H-H-H> remoteClient.SendBulkUpdateInventory(folder); <-- something like this Melanie_ ?
2016-04-01 20:28 <Melanie_> ye
2016-04-01 20:28 <Melanie_> s
2016-04-01 20:28 <H-H-H> ok thanks
2016-04-01 20:46 <H-H-H> even with new revised code it still requires a relog for the folder to show up unless im sending the wrong folder in the bulk update
2016-04-01 20:46 <H-H-H> http://pastebin.com/ueW0Z2tD
2016-04-01 20:46 <H-H-H> maybe it needs to be the root folder ?
2016-04-01 20:52 <H-H-H> any other ideas Melanie_
2016-04-01 20:53 <Melanie_> if you are creating folders lower down, you may need to make sure you send a descendents message for the parent
2016-04-01 20:55 <H-H-H> so send a desendants update for the root folder hmmmmm
2016-04-01 20:57 <Melanie_> also, you need to send one message for every item int he new folder
2016-04-01 20:57 <Melanie_> just sending an udate for the foder will not fill it
2016-04-01 20:57 <H-H-H> there is nothing in the folder
2016-04-01 20:57 <H-H-H> it is used later
2016-04-01 20:57 <Melanie_> oh, this is your special system folder
2016-04-01 20:58 <H-H-H> this isnt a system folder no as you can see by the -1 for type im just trying to get this to work first
2016-04-01 20:59 <Melanie_> here's the deal
2016-04-01 20:59 <Melanie_> you need to first store the folder in the inventory database
2016-04-01 20:59 <Melanie_> then call the update method
2016-04-01 20:59 <H-H-H> my code does that
2016-04-01 21:00 <H-H-H> InventoryFolderBase newFolder = new InventoryFolderBase(newFolderID, "Test", client.AgentId, -1, rootFolder.ID, rootFolder.Version);
2016-04-01 21:00 <H-H-H>                 inventoryService.AddFolder(newFolder);
2016-04-01 21:00 <H-H-H> then it sends the updates
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2016-04-01 22:44 <velus> how is the password created?
2016-04-01 22:46 <velus> Plugh, you know how password are created how do they create them (im trying to create a login script for a website, and well i need to know how it is created)?
2016-04-01 22:49 <Plugh> velus: $passwordHash = md5(md5($password) . ":" . $passwordSalt;
2016-04-01 22:49 <velus> ist missing a ) 
2016-04-01 22:49 <Plugh> There are a number of ways you can create the salt.
2016-04-01 22:50 <velus>  md5(md5($password) . ":" . $passwordSalt); ?
2016-04-01 22:50 <Plugh> yeah
2016-04-01 22:50 <velus> i know about creating the salt but i just needed to know how co create the pass with the salt
2016-04-01 22:50 <velus> ok
2016-04-01 23:47 <velus> Plugh, you good with php? by any chance?
2016-04-02 00:14 <Plugh> velus: That line was pasted from PHP. 
2016-04-02 00:14 <Plugh> velus: What problem are you having/
2016-04-02 00:15 <velus> its ok i found the problem with my class, i had elseif($r == false); { ....  } and wondered why it always showed the bit from $r == false i had a semicolon by mistake
2016-04-02 00:17 <Plugh> oops. :)
2016-04-02 00:18 <velus> yeah it had my head scratched a while
2016-04-02 00:30 <velus> what is title for in UserAccounts table?
2016-04-02 00:36 <velus> Plugh, what is the userflags and title for in UserAccounts
2016-04-02 01:47 <Plugh> velus: Title is text that appears in the Accounts: box in an avatars profile. It can be used to show a title for grid staff, or other avatars with some special status in a grid.
2016-04-02 01:48 <Plugh> I don't know what the flags is used for.
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2016-04-02 10:16 <osmantis> Bug #7869:04 Map Tiles textures are flipped 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7869 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2016-04-02 15:16 <osmantis> Bug #7869:04 Map Tiles textures are flipped 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7869 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-04-02 16:02 <osmantis> Bug #7868:04 "My Suitcase" folder missing in OSgrid. (unavailabe) objects are available 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7868 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-02 20:53 <osmantis> Bug #7870:04 Can't buy currency or buy land from other people! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7870 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-04-02 21:00 <smxy> Melanie_: Have you tried mono 4.4 yet? I know 4.3.2 is supposed to be good, but what about 4.4?
2016-04-02 21:11 <H-H-H> 
ACTION waits to see the reply to that mantis

2016-04-02 21:12 <Velus-universe> 
ACTION me too

2016-04-02 21:12 <Velus-universe> 
ACTION me thinks it could be to do with a simonastick

2016-04-02 21:20 <Melanie_> smxy: no and i'm not about to.
2016-04-02 21:20 <Melanie_> once i find a good mono version, i tend to keep it for a few years
2016-04-02 21:21 <Melanie_> Velus-universe: the flags in the user table are for things like billing method on file, has bought currency once, is identity verified, is adult
2016-04-02 21:21 <Melanie_> the lower nibble is the flags while the upper byte selects one of several predefined titles, like resident, legacy resident, linden labs employee, etc
2016-04-02 21:22 <Velus-universe> have you got the info on it? what each nuber means what or where i can find it
2016-04-02 21:22 <Melanie_> setting the title foeld overrides this preselection
2016-04-02 21:22 <Melanie_> the viewer source is the source for this information
2016-04-02 21:22 <Melanie_> i don't have it handy
2016-04-02 21:22 <Velus-universe> ok
2016-04-02 21:23 <Velus-universe> thanks Melanie_ and the site is comming along nicely
2016-04-02 21:23 <Melanie_> good :)
2016-04-02 21:23 <Velus-universe> its built with module style so you have classes that deal with everything its basically a simple mvc style to be honest 
2016-04-02 21:24 <smxy> Melanie_: Well, I'll give it a go.
2016-04-02 21:24 <Melanie_> yes but as i said, mainttenance will be a bitch
2016-04-02 21:24 <Velus-universe> not that much i dont think, 
2016-04-02 21:24 <Melanie_> not for you
2016-04-02 21:24 <Melanie_> but if others need to jump in, that will be hard
2016-04-02 21:25 <Velus-universe> its not like codeint and cakephp and such, and it shouldnt be that hard for people to jump in, the main sections that hold the site togther is well documented, then the rest is easy to understand
2016-04-02 21:26 <Melanie_> the issue i have with this kind of sites is that they mix code and markup
2016-04-02 21:26 <Melanie_> so you can't edit markup without touching code
2016-04-02 21:26 <Melanie_> which means a pure html person asked to add content
2016-04-02 21:26 <Melanie_> will probably load the thing in dreamweaver
2016-04-02 21:26 <Melanie_> edit it
2016-04-02 21:26 <Melanie_> save it
2016-04-02 21:26 <Melanie_> and then you'll wonder why the code is all torn apart
2016-04-02 21:27 <Melanie_> that is why i never mix code and markup - i had the problem before
2016-04-02 21:27 <Melanie_> i always use a CMS or at least a templating engine
2016-04-02 21:28 <Velus-universe> any of the code that comes from any class is just vars not code (except one which is a simple <a herf=""></a> i have them seperate so they dont get mixed up, it maybe able to be called a cms im not sure
2016-04-02 21:29 <Melanie_> n
2016-04-02 21:29 <Melanie_> no
2016-04-02 21:29 <Melanie_> but it's pretty close to templating
2016-04-02 21:29 <Melanie_> now, if you need to show a table
2016-04-02 21:30 <Melanie_> you'd still have to have the loop code for the rows in the content file
2016-04-02 21:30 <Melanie_> and that's where the trouble starts
2016-04-02 21:30 <Melanie_> of course, engines like smarty don't solve all problems
2016-04-02 21:30 <Melanie_> they also use markup, just not php, so that can be destroyed, too
2016-04-02 21:30 <Velus-universe> i.e if you want the persons balance you would put in $balance->balance($uuid) and it will give you 1563 and not somethign like <p>1563MC$</p> it will only ever give you stings values and such and not html
2016-04-02 21:30 <Melanie_> a CMS has no markup miced with code at all
2016-04-02 21:31 <Melanie_> most CMSs are for editing content
2016-04-02 21:31 <Melanie_> they don't give you that functionality
2016-04-02 21:31 <Melanie_> so for the pieces where it is needed, you do need to take recourse to a templating engine
2016-04-02 21:31 <Melanie_> it's hobson's choice, really
2016-04-02 21:32 <Melanie_> but it's possible to get to a point where you get the least friction
2016-04-02 21:32 <Melanie_> i think i found that sweet spot
2016-04-02 22:23 <Velus-universe> if i was creating a simple test to see if the grid is up would i do a simple tcp ping to the ports 8002 and 8003  or just one?
2016-04-02 22:25 <Melanie_> i usually use the telnet command to test tcp ports
2016-04-02 22:26 <Melanie_> i use netcat for udp testing
2016-04-02 22:27 <Velus-universe> this will be in the website so will need to be in php im assuming that if port 8002 is down then the udp would be too
2016-04-02 22:28 <Melanie_> if your php has allow_url_fopen set in the ini
2016-04-02 22:28 <Melanie_> you can use fopen("http://yourrobust:8200" ....
2016-04-02 22:28 <Melanie_> it will fail if the connection is refused
2016-04-02 22:29 <Melanie_> you may want to shorten the timeout, though, so your website user doesn't have to wait for 30s to time out
2016-04-02 22:29 <Melanie_> another option is to run the test from cron every minute
2016-04-02 22:29 <Melanie_> as a shell script, php-cli or whatever
2016-04-02 22:29 <Melanie_> and store the current result in the file system
2016-04-02 22:29 <Melanie_> then your web page only needs to read that
2016-04-02 22:29 <Velus-universe> ok
2016-04-03 02:14 <Velus-universe> i dont know if anyone is up i am looking in the griduser table and in last position you have <120.2511, 129.9046, 29.27523> i get what before the . in the number is (location on the regions but what is after the .?
2016-04-03 02:15 <Velus-universe> also where can i get the current position of a user from the db
2016-04-03 02:20 <AliciaRaven> Velus-universe, current position is never stored in the db, think how fast and oftern that will change, how could it be stored in the db?
2016-04-03 02:20 <AliciaRaven> and what do u mean after the .? decimal fraction?
2016-04-03 02:21 <Velus-universe> ok wasnt sure in agentprefs you have accessprefs which is M at precent what is that? and yes the decimal fraction i thought it might be that tbh but thought i would check
2016-04-03 02:22 <Velus-universe> im guessing the pg mature and adult of the land
2016-04-03 02:24 <AliciaRaven> i expect so, not sure with out digging
2016-04-03 02:24 <Velus-universe> ok so if it is set to M could they access adult regions?
2016-04-03 02:25 <AliciaRaven> no, mature is less than adult
2016-04-03 02:26 <Velus-universe> ok so mature would be the max it can handel
2016-04-03 02:27 <AliciaRaven> it is general, mature and adult
2016-04-03 02:27 <Velus-universe> yeah i know but if there was an adult region a person with accessprefs as mautre would not be able to access the adult region
2016-04-03 02:28 <AliciaRaven> yes
2016-04-03 02:28 <Velus-universe> ok thanks i wonder if the adult would be an A and the general would be a G or PG
2016-04-03 02:30 <Velus-universe> do you know about UserAccount flags? what the numbers are for what?
2016-04-03 02:32 <AliciaRaven> not off the top of my head
2016-04-03 02:33 <Velus-universe> ok
2016-04-03 03:12 <Velus-universe> AliciaRaven, with the coords is it 1000,100 showing the left right and up down in that order?
2016-04-03 03:16 <AliciaRaven> Velus-universe yes, its X,Y
2016-04-03 16:47 <Velus-universe> hello you know the os groups? is the name unique in the coloumn?
2016-04-03 16:48 <Velus-universe> its ok found out my self 
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2016-04-03 18:56 <Plugh> Does git master include the ability to have two people sit on the same prim?
2016-04-03 19:06 <Melanie_> yes, with ubode
2016-04-03 19:07 <Plugh> oh, but only with ubode?
2016-04-03 19:08 <Melanie_> yes. only ubode has working unscripted sit
2016-04-03 19:10 <Plugh> I hope that is on Robert's todo list.
2016-04-03 19:14 <Plugh> Is there a git command that provides a git summary where you get the commit hash and summary text all on one line?
2016-04-03 19:16 <Plugh> ah, nm. I figured it out from the Makefile line I use that generates the .version file.
2016-04-03 19:33 <Plugh> Is there any summary of differences between ubODE and BulletSim?
2016-04-03 19:39 <osmantis> Bug #7836:04 transferring full perm mesh object arrives no copy no transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7836 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-03 19:49 <Ubit> silence answers you Plugh :)
2016-04-03 19:50 <Ubit> one diference is that curently bullet doesn't do ray colision testing
2016-04-03 19:50 <Ubit> that is needed for the sits without sittarget set, for lsl raycast
2016-04-03 19:51 <Ubit> and for prim rez positioning... etc
2016-04-03 19:59 <Plugh> Ubit: :)   
2016-04-03 19:59 <Plugh> ok. I just had someone asking me about whether they should switch to using ubODE instead of BulletSim.
2016-04-03 20:00 <Ubit> well im biased on that ;)
2016-04-03 20:00 <Plugh> gee, really? I wonder why.  ;)
2016-04-03 20:00 <Ubit> :)
2016-04-03 20:02 <Plugh> dang. still have about 2000 lines of changes to summarize for avn merge and now there are 450 entries post perge.
2016-04-03 20:02 <Plugh> post merge.
2016-04-03 21:15 <djphil__> Good evening, i read on wiki sl that CreateLink feature is the 1.0 sec sleep script
2016-04-03 21:15 <djphil__> I tried to use osCreateLink and I find that is also sleeping 1.0 sec script.
2016-04-03 21:15 <djphil__> Do you think it is possible to improve this ?
2016-04-03 21:32 <Plugh> osCreateLink?? I don't see that function in OSSL_Api.cs
2016-04-03 21:33 <djphil__> osForceCreatelink
2016-04-03 21:33 <djphil__> that same like lsl function excepted permission request
2016-04-03 21:34 <Plugh> It would take some rearranging of the code. The os function calls the LSL one.
2016-04-03 21:35 <djphil__> ha ok, that why the delay is same
2016-04-03 21:35 <djphil__> 1.0 sec is very slow
2016-04-03 21:36 <Plugh> Actually it would be easy to fix. The LSL function calls a local function to do the work. It has the sleep. That sleep call could be moved to the main CreateLink function for LSL.
2016-04-03 21:36 <djphil__> maybee osForceCreateLinkFast :p
2016-04-03 21:37 <djphil__> I'll make a mantis request for it then
2016-04-03 21:38 <djphil__> tank's for infos
2016-04-03 21:42 <Plugh> djphil__: The description for the functions says -> Idential to llCreateLink() except that it doesn't require the link permission to be granted. Present in 0.8 and later.
2016-04-03 21:42 <Plugh> That would include the delay.
2016-04-03 21:42 <djphil__> yes i know that
2016-04-03 21:42 <djphil__> i read opensim wiki too
2016-04-03 21:42 <Plugh> If you want to make a case for excluding the delay it would be an easy fix.
2016-04-03 21:43 <djphil__> i write a mantis just now
2016-04-03 21:51 <osmantis> Bug #7871:04 [SCRIPT] osForceCreateLink delay improvement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7871 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
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2016-04-03 23:53 <Velus-universe> hey djphil hows your site comming along?
2016-04-03 23:54 <Velus-universe> and did you work on the ossearch module?
2016-04-03 23:59 <Velus-universe> is this right that i can shutdown the robust server and still moove about in the workd the region server is still going
2016-04-04 00:14 <djphil> Hi velus, i don't make a website, i make separate web interface for different modules and yes, i made a websearch.
2016-04-04 00:15 <Velus-universe> have you got the working copy? and does it come with th web interface module?
2016-04-04 00:16 <djphil> It is not yet set on github
2016-04-04 00:16 <Velus-universe> ok
2016-04-04 00:27 <osmantis> Bug #7836:04 transferring full perm mesh object arrives no copy no transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7836 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-04 00:50 <osmantis> Bug #7872:04 CHANGED_OWNER is not triggered on rez after changing object's ownership 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7872 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-04-04 00:52 <osmantis> Bug #7872:04 CHANGED_OWNER is not triggered on rez after changing object's ownership 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7872 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-04-04 00:52 <Velus-universe> djphil, do you know much about the profile module? i.e what the column profileAllowPublish is?
2016-04-04 00:59 <osmantis> Bug #7776:04 FATAL ERROR: OpenSim.OpenSimBase [MODULES]: Required module  PrimLimitsModule not found. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7776 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-04 01:01 <osmantis> Bug #7776:04 FATAL ERROR: OpenSim.OpenSimBase [MODULES]: Required module  PrimLimitsModule not found. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7776 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-04-04 01:04 <djphil> i don't know exactly velus
2016-04-04 01:04 <Velus-universe> ok
2016-04-04 01:04 <djphil> actually i just display this info on the webprofil page
2016-04-04 01:05 <Velus-universe> ok
2016-04-04 01:05 <djphil> maybee is to allow display in web profile or somethink
2016-04-04 01:05 <djphil> or on web search
2016-04-04 01:05 <Velus-universe> maybe
2016-04-04 01:05 <djphil> the checkbox "show in search" in the viewer don't work
2016-04-04 01:06 <djphil> that maybee for that ...
2016-04-04 01:06 <Velus-universe> ok
2016-04-04 01:07 <djphil> in profile.php we don't have any reference to profileAllowPublish
2016-04-04 01:07 <djphil> probably is unused yet ...
2016-04-04 01:07 <Velus-universe> it dont seem to be
2016-04-04 03:18 <RazWelles> ping
2016-04-04 03:18 <RazWelles> Can you control the viewer camera from the server side in any way?
2016-04-04 03:18 <Velus-universe> pong
2016-04-04 03:19 <Velus-universe> not that i know of 
2016-04-04 03:20 <RazWelles> ok thanks, was wondering
2016-04-04 03:21 <AliciaRaven> RazWelles it can be done with scripts, i think the avatar may have to be sat on the scripted prim tho
2016-04-04 03:22 <RazWelles> AliciaRaven: hm.. ok thanks
2016-04-04 03:23 <RazWelles> AliciaRaven: question, if you were to edit the control keys a bit, and the physics, what classes would you look at?
2016-04-04 03:24 <AliciaRaven> control keys would be a viewer side thing so im not sure
2016-04-04 03:26 <AliciaRaven> bullet sim has a hell of alot of ini options that can be changed without needing to touch the code, but the code has a project for each physics engine if u need to do more
2016-04-04 04:47 <Velus-universe> ok this is strange, ther wanttomask does bits in left to right for the numbers and the skillsmask is form right to left for the numbers ? wich is odd 
2016-04-04 18:34 <velusunivers-sys> Plugh, you about?
2016-04-04 18:35 <Melanie_> i guess he's at 'Y2'
2016-04-04 18:39 <velusunivers-sys> y2?
2016-04-04 18:39 <Plugh> hehe
2016-04-04 18:39 <Melanie_> one of the very first adventure games, collossal cave
2016-04-04 18:40 <velusunivers-sys> nice 
2016-04-04 18:40 <velusunivers-sys> Plugh, can i pm you please or you busy
2016-04-04 18:40 <Melanie_> it's thought to be the granddaddy of all adventures
2016-04-04 18:40 <Plugh> I just knew it as Adventure.
2016-04-04 18:40 <Plugh> aka. Crowther and Woods Adventure.
2016-04-04 18:40 <Melanie_> that is because the cobol name was 'advent'
2016-04-04 18:40 <Plugh> COBOL? eww
2016-04-04 18:40 <Melanie_> owing to the 6 char name length limitationin fortran
2016-04-04 18:41 <Melanie_> not cobol, it was fortran
2016-04-04 18:41 <Melanie_> there was a cobol version too
2016-04-04 18:41 <Plugh> yea, Fortran. I have a printout of the original Fortran source and database for the program
2016-04-04 18:41 <Melanie_> i think it's been ported to every langiage
2016-04-04 18:42 <Melanie_> anyway, velusunivers-sys, in colossal cave, there is a place where it says "Y2" on the wall
2016-04-04 18:42 <Plugh> Probably. I have (or had) a version for an Apple ][/][+
2016-04-04 18:42 <Melanie_> the first time you enter, a hollow voice says "plugh"
2016-04-04 18:42 <Melanie_> there is a gold bar there
2016-04-04 18:42 <Melanie_> the writing says "you can't get it up the steps"
2016-04-04 18:42 <Melanie_> and indeed when you try to get up the steps from the main hall to the outside, you find that you can't, unless you drop the gold
2016-04-04 18:43 <velusunivers-sys> there must be a way to do it though
2016-04-04 18:43 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: My IRC nick comes from that game.
2016-04-04 18:43 <Melanie_> velusunivers-sys: yes. pick up the gold and, at y2, say "plugh"
2016-04-04 18:44 <Melanie_> you will be in the building by the stream, outside the cave
2016-04-04 18:44 <Melanie_> magic
2016-04-04 18:44 <AliciaRaven> older than zork?
2016-04-04 18:44 <velusunivers-sys> nice 
2016-04-04 18:44 <Melanie_> from that point on you can use "plugh" to travel from the building to the Y2 cave
2016-04-04 18:44 <Melanie_> a much shorter route than xyzzy
2016-04-04 18:44 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: much older.
2016-04-04 18:47 <AliciaRaven> The first version of Zork was written in 1977–1979 and Colossal Cave Adventure was 1976 so not that much unless wikipedia is wrong
2016-04-04 18:47 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: The C&W game is from 1976/1977. Hm... not as much older as I thought. Zork I came out in 1980.
2016-04-04 18:48 <AliciaRaven> heh i only know zork because it was talked about on an episode of the big bang theory :P
2016-04-04 18:48 <Plugh> :)
2016-04-04 18:48 <Plugh> I have, and have played, Zork I, II, II, Beyond Zork, and Zork Zero. 
2016-04-04 18:48 <Melanie_> well, i played adventure/colossal cave when it was new :)
2016-04-04 18:48 <Plugh> um... that second II should have been III
2016-04-04 18:48 <AliciaRaven> yea it was the commercial release in 1980
2016-04-04 18:49 <AliciaRaven> first game i played was ms flight sim 95 i think lol
2016-04-04 18:51 <Plugh> Advent was my first game, AFAICR. I first played it on a Decwriter console connected to a mainframe via 300(?) baud phone link.
2016-04-04 18:54 <Plugh> http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/la36.jpg
2016-04-04 18:55 <Plugh> hehe... what OpenSim needs is a trusty brass lantern. ;)
2016-04-04 18:56 <AliciaRaven> amazing how fast computers develop, i thought mine was current until i checked my specs against oculus min requirements
2016-04-04 18:57 <AliciaRaven> my cpu and gfx are both not good enough :( a sad day
2016-04-04 18:59 <Plugh> Most machines are "obsolete" within hours, days, or weeks of bringing them home. :)
2016-04-04 19:00 <AliciaRaven> i was just thinking its some where between ordering it and having it delivered lol
2016-04-04 19:00 <Plugh> yea, sometimes that.
2016-04-04 19:02 <AliciaRaven> in my case i expect its before i order it as i like to wait a few months for the price to drop
2016-04-04 19:11 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-04-04 19:11 <Plugh> 
ACTION twiddles his thumbs while waiting for a C++ program to finish compiling.

2016-04-04 19:16 <AliciaRaven> one of the things i like most about c#, no waiting heh
2016-04-04 19:22 <Plugh> yea. It also doesn't make my CPU temp rise as high as it does when compiling C++.
2016-04-04 19:29 <Plugh> Dang. I still haven't found the right place to fix this other bug in Kicad :(
2016-04-04 20:10 <H-H-H> anyone happen to know if there are any mysqli versions of the php for profile/groups/search etc etc before i continue converting mine?
2016-04-04 20:17 <Plugh> There is a mysqli version for one of those. I forget which one. I've been planning on converting them to mysqli but it hasn't hit the top of the to do list.
2016-04-04 20:17 <Plugh> converting groups could get messy. It uses the phpxmlrpc library.
2016-04-04 20:28 <H-H-H> ive found mysqli version of the profile
2016-04-04 20:29 <H-H-H> and have done offline im and muste but need search and groups :)
2016-04-04 20:40 <Plugh> H-H-H: Any particular reason you want mysqli versions other than to use parameter binding/
2016-04-04 20:41 <H-H-H> coz im on php 7 and mysql isnt in it lol
2016-04-04 20:41 <H-H-H> neither is split which is used in offline.php 
2016-04-04 20:42 <velusunivers-sys> use pdo as mysqli_ is going out of date
2016-04-04 20:42 <Plugh> H-H-H: oh, right. I seem to remember talk of it going away
2016-04-04 20:43 <H-H-H> its a pia lol
2016-04-04 20:43 <H-H-H> might be the death of the old external modules in favour of core groups/profiles
2016-04-04 20:45 <Plugh> naw... it may just push moving them to mysqli a little higher on my todo list.
2016-04-04 20:47 <H-H-H> heres hopeing lol
2016-04-04 20:54 <Plugh> If someone was to toss money my way it would definitely raise the item up to the top of the todo list. ;)
2016-04-04 20:54 <H-H-H> 
ACTION roots in his pockets and finds 20p and asks will this help? lol

2016-04-04 20:55 <H-H-H> i understand however i will just plod on lol ty for the offer tho :)
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2016-04-04 23:08 <osmantis> Bug #7873:04 Table "Presence"  not found on first run... should be "presence"  .. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7873 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-04-04 23:25 <osmantis> Bug #7873:04 Table "Presence"  not found on first run... should be "presence"  .. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-05 05:20 <osmantis> Bug #7868:04 "My Suitcase" folder missing in OSgrid. (unavailabe) objects are available 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7868 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-05 05:24 <osmantis> Bug #7862:04 Avatar unable to cross var borders in 0.9.0.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7862 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-05 07:35 <osmantis> Bug #7805:04 PGSQL Records are overwritten in Presence table 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7805 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-05 09:00 <velusunivers-sys> does anyone know if the https for openims is working?
2016-04-05 10:16 <osmantis> Bug #7868:04 "My Suitcase" folder missing in OSgrid. (unavailabe) objects are available 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7868 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-05 10:48 <osmantis> Bug #7868:04 "My Suitcase" folder missing in OSgrid. (unavailabe) objects are available 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7868 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-05 12:52 <osmantis> Bug #7873:04 Table "Presence"  not found on first run... should be "presence"  .. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-05 16:30 <H-H-H> can anyone tell me when scene.EventManager.OnAvatarEnteringNewParcel is fired? does it fire on login or is it only when moving to a new parcel from login
2016-04-05 16:54 <H-H-H> it doesnt seem to fire on login hmmmm
2016-04-05 17:14 <Melanie_> Only on walking corssing
2016-04-05 17:14 <Melanie_> e.g. walk or fly
2016-04-05 17:14 <Melanie_> not on login, not on teleport
2016-04-05 17:15 <Melanie_> also not when region crossing into the parcel
2016-04-05 17:33 <H-H-H> ok thanks 
2016-04-05 18:16 <velusunivers-sys> awwww i missed H-H-H
2016-04-05 18:18 <Plugh> There was a change to the number for a folder. A 9 became 100, or something like that. I think it was to do with an HG related folder (My Suitcase?). Does someone here remember the specifics.
2016-04-05 18:19 <velusunivers-sys> yay speak of the devil
2016-04-05 18:19 <H-H-H> what have i done now lol
2016-04-05 18:21 <velusunivers-sys> nothing i got back and notice you had been and gone so i went awww missed H-H-H THEN YOU APEARED
2016-04-05 19:02 <H-H-H> Plugh from what i remember the root folder of av inv was using the wrong number so was changed to 9 to be consistent across the board . also the 100 number was agreed upon by opensim and viewer  devs to be supported for the HG suitcase folder
2016-04-05 19:03 <Plugh> Which folder had the wrong number but is now using #9?
2016-04-05 19:04 <H-H-H> the root folder if i remember rightly
2016-04-05 19:04 <H-H-H> My Inventory
2016-04-05 19:12 <Plugh> ok
2016-04-05 19:25 <Melanie_> there was some code that set and used 8 for the root folder
2016-04-05 19:25 <Melanie_> since the folder type was ignored by earlier viewers, it was never an ossue
2016-04-05 19:25 <Melanie_> then viewers started to refuse the wrong numbered root folders
2016-04-05 19:25 <Melanie_> so it got fixed
2016-04-05 19:26 <Melanie_> 100 was chosen for the suitcase in case LL decides to add more folder types
2016-04-05 19:26 <Melanie_> in order to stay clear of their number range
2016-04-05 19:28 <Plugh> oh, right. that was it. 8 vs 9
2016-04-05 21:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #4617 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-04-05 21:05 <velusunivers-sys> in second life you are able to put up a tag or a nother name. can that be done with os? 
2016-04-05 21:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4617: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4617/
2016-04-05 21:06 <osjenkins> Alicia Raven: Fix missing id parameter in FSAssets database connector when updating Access time.
2016-04-05 21:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #4618 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-04-05 22:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4618: SUCCESS in 5 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4618/
2016-04-05 22:00 <osjenkins> Alicia Raven: Include option for the HG version of FSAssets connector under HGAssetService in robust example ini
2016-04-05 22:00 <velusunivers-sys> AliciaRaven, thankd for adding the bit for the fsassets to the hg robust.ini
2016-04-05 22:01 <velusunivers-sys> robust.hg.ini
2016-04-05 22:01 <AliciaRaven> np, i was on the wiki page i just forgot to include it in the ini example
2016-04-05 22:01 <AliciaRaven> i = it
2016-04-05 22:02 <velusunivers-sys> ok so if i wanted to use it i would just add the line yes?
2016-04-05 22:02 <Ken_Savage> 2 fsassets lines are needed in 2 different sections
2016-04-05 22:03 <velusunivers-sys> ok
2016-04-05 22:03 <Ken_Savage> One for local assets and one for hg assets if hg enabled
2016-04-05 22:03 <AliciaRaven> read the comment, uncomment the second line and comment out the first one
2016-04-05 22:03 <velusunivers-sys> i have the fs for local 
2016-04-05 22:09 <AliciaRaven> the wiki page is upto date and now the example ini is
2016-04-05 22:13 <velusunivers-sys> ok i got it up and running now lol thanks
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2016-04-05 23:05 <Melanie_> velusunivers-sys: no core member needs display names and some of us even hate what they have become in SL (all letters one can't type!) and people always changing names
2016-04-05 23:05 <Melanie_> so none of us implemented it
2016-04-05 23:05 <Melanie_> we don't refuse to have it
2016-04-05 23:05 <Melanie_> patches are welcome
2016-04-05 23:05 <Melanie_> it's just nothing we would spend time on
2016-04-05 23:06 <velusunivers-sys> ok i was just wondering if there was, its not really something i was wanting but just wondered about it
2016-04-05 23:07 <AliciaRaven> the module exists but it doesnt work i think, justin started it awhile back but didnt finish
2016-04-05 23:07 <velusunivers-sys> i still cant figure out where to find the info for the uerflags
2016-04-05 23:07 <velusunivers-sys> where is the module?
2016-04-05 23:07 <velusunivers-sys> i might just for fun look at it
2016-04-05 23:10 <Plugh> velusunivers-sys: find OpenSim -name "*.cs" -exec grep -i UserFlag {} \; -print
2016-04-05 23:11 <velusunivers-sys> where would i put that?
2016-04-05 23:11 <velusunivers-sys> in the commandline
2016-04-05 23:11 <H-H-H> me 2 (peek @ the module)
2016-04-05 23:11 <Plugh> Yes. Be sure you have cd'ed to the top level directory of the OpenSimulator source tree first.
2016-04-05 23:12 <velusunivers-sys> will do just logging in now
2016-04-05 23:13 <H-H-H> thanks for that Plugh added to my list of usefull cli one liners
2016-04-05 23:14 <Plugh> Using xargs is supposed to be faster to do the same thing but I'm not used to using xargs.
2016-04-05 23:14 <Plugh> I use the find command a lot.
2016-04-05 23:15 <H-H-H> i dont tend to do a lot of stuff on the cli like that but because i didnt spend the time learning things like your one liner lol
2016-04-05 23:17 <H-H-H> isnt anybody synching the opensim github repo anymore ? i just checked the opensim repo and it was last updated 22nd nov last yr
2016-04-05 23:19 <Plugh> Last update was March 23
2016-04-05 23:19 <Plugh> H-H-H: I always have a terminal window open. I do stuff using the command line a lot.
2016-04-05 23:20 <H-H-H> Latest commit 15af626 on 22 Nov 2015
2016-04-05 23:20 <H-H-H> https://github.com/opensim/opensim
2016-04-05 23:21 <Plugh> oh, github. Don't pull from github. :)
2016-04-05 23:21 <H-H-H> i dont 
2016-04-05 23:22 <H-H-H> just wondered why it wasnt updated anymore as it says its synched every ten mins lol
2016-04-05 23:23 <velusunivers-sys> plugh i done that command but i dont get most of the stuff that comes out
2016-04-05 23:26 <AliciaRaven> would be easier to open the solution in what ever editor you have a use its search to find UserFlag
2016-04-06 14:47 <velusunivers-sys> wouldnt the flags for the useraccounts be in the libmov repo? i  cant sem to find them anywhere
2016-04-06 15:00 <Melanie_> velusunivers-sys:     public enum ProfileFlags : uint
2016-04-06 15:00 <Melanie_>     {
2016-04-06 15:00 <Melanie_>         AllowPublish = 1,
2016-04-06 15:00 <Melanie_>         MaturePublish = 2,
2016-04-06 15:00 <Melanie_>         Identified = 4,
2016-04-06 15:00 <Melanie_>         Transacted = 8,
2016-04-06 15:00 <Melanie_>         Online = 16
2016-04-06 15:00 <Melanie_>     }
2016-04-06 15:00 <Melanie_> that is what OMV has
2016-04-06 15:01 <Melanie_> but there are more only the viewer knows about
2016-04-06 15:01 <Melanie_> at least one: age verified
2016-04-06 15:01 <Velus-universe> the transacted? is that they have payment info on file?
2016-04-06 15:02 <Melanie_> the viewer has this:
2016-04-06 15:02 <Melanie_> / For Flags in AvatarPropertiesReply
2016-04-06 15:02 <Melanie_> const U32 AVATAR_ALLOW_PUBLISH          = 0x1 << 0; // whether profile is externally visible or not
2016-04-06 15:02 <Melanie_> const U32 AVATAR_MATURE_PUBLISH         = 0x1 << 1; // profile is "mature"
2016-04-06 15:02 <Melanie_> const U32 AVATAR_IDENTIFIED             = 0x1 << 2; // whether avatar has provided payment info
2016-04-06 15:02 <Melanie_> const U32 AVATAR_TRANSACTED             = 0x1 << 3; // whether avatar has actively used payment info
2016-04-06 15:02 <Melanie_> const U32 AVATAR_ONLINE                 = 0x1 << 4; // the online status of this avatar, if known.
2016-04-06 15:02 <Melanie_> const U32 AVATAR_AGEVERIFIED            = 0x1 << 5; // whether avatar has been age-verified
2016-04-06 15:02 <Melanie_> AllowPublish means the profile is allowed to be shown on the web
2016-04-06 15:03 <Velus-universe> ok and the mature publish? 
2016-04-06 15:03 <Melanie_> MaturePublish means the profile PICTURE is mature content, e.g. nudity or violence
2016-04-06 15:03 <Velus-universe> ok
2016-04-06 15:03 <Melanie_> Identified means payment info on file
2016-04-06 15:03 <Melanie_> Transacted means the payment info has been used (at least one payment was made)
2016-04-06 15:03 <Melanie_> Online is, well, online :)
2016-04-06 15:04 <Melanie_> and AgeVerified which is not yet in OMV means the avatar's owner has been verified by Aristotle (Linden's age verification firm) as being 18
2016-04-06 15:05 <Velus-universe> ok so age verified would be 32 ?
2016-04-06 15:06 <Melanie_> yes. I just added it to OMV but of course that OMV version isnt in opensim yet
2016-04-06 15:06 <Plugh> 
ACTION wonders if that info has been written down in the OS wiki

2016-04-06 15:06 <Velus-universe> Plugh, no it hasnt i have been lookng for it for ages
2016-04-06 15:07 <Velus-universe> there is something in there from the old user accounts style (users) but it dont seem to be working
2016-04-06 15:07 <Plugh> Oh, we now have core profile, search, and groups. The additional tables need to be added to the database doc page and then, well, documented.
2016-04-06 15:08 <Plugh> :)
2016-04-06 15:08 <Velus-universe> ok how do you set up the core search?
2016-04-06 15:10 <Velus-universe> and thanks mel that has helped me a lot thanks
2016-04-06 15:10 <Melanie_> yw. you were lucky in catching me between tasks today so i had time to look it up
2016-04-06 15:11 <Velus-universe> i noticed that before but didnt put it together for the user flags 
2016-04-06 15:14 <Plugh> Eek. its getting late. I wanted to go out for a walk before lunch and before the weather gets any worse.
2016-04-06 15:14 <Velus-universe> well go for one then
2016-04-06 15:14 <Plugh> yup. On my way. bbl.
2016-04-06 15:14 <Velus-universe> and when will the new libmov be implemnted Melanie_ 
2016-04-06 15:15 <Melanie_> depends on diva
2016-04-06 15:15 <Velus-universe> ok
2016-04-06 15:15 <Melanie_> since justin left, she's been the one to compile it
2016-04-06 15:15 <Velus-universe> ok
2016-04-06 15:15 <Melanie_> it can only be done on windows
2016-04-06 15:16 <Velus-universe> ok why? if i might ask?
2016-04-06 15:16 <Velus-universe> and how would you compile it?
2016-04-06 15:16 <Melanie_> if it's compiled with mono it runs fine on linux but acts strange on windows
2016-04-06 15:16 <Melanie_> if it's compiled on windows it runs fine everywhere
2016-04-06 15:17 <Velus-universe> ok how would you compile it?
2016-04-06 15:18 <Melanie_> pretty mch the same as opensim
2016-04-06 15:18 <Melanie_> in visual studio
2016-04-06 15:19 <Velus-universe> ok so if someone else was to compile it would it be ok?
2016-04-06 15:21 <Melanie_> It should really be a core member
2016-04-06 15:21 <Melanie_> but you can compile one for your own use
2016-04-06 15:21 <Velus-universe> ok i was thinking of helping out when i can
2016-04-06 16:26 <Velus-universe> wb Plugh 
2016-04-06 16:26 <Velus-universe> Plugh, is there search in the core of openim? 
2016-04-06 16:40 <Plugh> Yes, there are basic search features in OS. Look at the ini files.
2016-04-06 16:41 <Velus-universe> ok
2016-04-06 16:52 <Velus-universe> plugh all i can see is SearchURL = "${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}/"; but nothing about search its self in the robust
2016-04-06 17:36 <Velus-universe> thanks AliciaRaven 
2016-04-06 17:37 <AliciaRaven> :)
2016-04-06 17:37 <Velus-universe> AliciaRaven, do you know much about the os search thats in the core module?
2016-04-06 17:37 <Melanie_> Velus-universe: core has no search
2016-04-06 17:37 <Melanie_> core "search" powers only people search
2016-04-06 17:38 <Melanie_> it's the same code that is used for the avatar picker
2016-04-06 17:38 <Melanie_> events, places, land(sales) are run by ossearch
2016-04-06 17:38 <Melanie_> it's in forge
2016-04-06 17:38 <AliciaRaven> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OpenSimSearch
2016-04-06 17:38 <AliciaRaven> http://forge.opensimulator.org/kcozens/OpenSimSearch
2016-04-06 17:39 <Velus-universe> thought avatar picker was not finished yet
2016-04-06 17:41 <Melanie_> avatar picker has been finished for years now
2016-04-06 17:41 <Velus-universe> ok what is avatar picker?
2016-04-06 17:41 <Melanie_> any floater that lets you search for avatars by name and select one or more
2016-04-06 17:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #4619 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-04-06 17:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4619: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4619/
2016-04-06 17:48 <osjenkins> Alicia Raven: Update LibOMV to latest versions. LibOMV commit hash 177ea9848a43e6df3b82f70aea4ac903ece1b2e3
2016-04-06 19:06 <Velus-universe> djphil_, what is opensim intercom?
2016-04-06 19:25 <H-H-H> anyone remember where the server release notes link was in the viewer lol i thought it was in the Estate floater but cant remember
2016-04-06 19:42 <Velus-universe> im going to be doing regions page which will show all regions and if they are online or not, but is there something in the db that will show its online or not, if not is there a way to do a udp port check
2016-04-06 19:59 <LiruCookies> H-H-H: About floater.
2016-04-06 20:46 <Velus-universe> hey Plugh 
2016-04-06 20:50 <Velus-universe> can i pm you a second please?
2016-04-06 22:01 <H-H-H> ty Liru
2016-04-06 22:02 <Velus-universe> i noticed there is a opensim serverstats in legacy projects, does anyone here know about serverstats? im wondering a few things
2016-04-06 22:11 <H-H-H> well it would seem this module no longer works lol 
2016-04-06 22:11 <H-H-H> https://github.com/QuillLittlefeather/OpenSim-Addon-modules
2016-04-06 22:31 <H-H-H> sorry i told a lie it does work fine when you actually do it right
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2016-04-06 23:37 <Ken_Savage> Assuming someone started with a 16 sim var region (4x4), but they loaded it with so many prims it now needs to be broken into several smaller sims...
2016-04-06 23:38 <Ken_Savage> Is there a way to do this without loosing anything or creating a mess?
2016-04-06 23:39 <H-H-H> can you do an oar of a section i know you could with megaregions but then that was actually a trick to the viewer  so i dont know if you can do it with vars
2016-04-06 23:40 <Ken_Savage> If it is possible, I have not located how to do it on the wiki or internet.
2016-04-06 23:41 <H-H-H> i just looked on the console help and i cant seem to see a way to do it either sorry
2016-04-06 23:42 <Ken_Savage> I fear there is currently no way to do it.
2016-04-06 23:44 <H-H-H> i know you can load an oar to a specific area but doesnt appear to be a way to save a prt of a region(var)
2016-04-06 23:45 <Ken_Savage> Yea, it looks like no way to do the same thing in reverse.
2016-04-07 00:40 <Plugh> Ken_Savage: You can specify a bounding area for the oar load.
2016-04-07 00:41 <Plugh> --bounding-origin will only place objects that after displacement and rotation fall within the bounding cube who's position starts at <x,y,z>. Defaults to <0,0,0>.
2016-04-07 00:41 <Plugh> --bounding-size specifies the size of the bounding cube. The default is the size of the destination region and cannot be larger than this.
2016-04-07 00:45 <Ken_Savage> Will this also save the terrain or does that have to be done using terrain commands?
2016-04-07 00:47 <Plugh> I don't know. I just checked the built-in help.
2016-04-07 00:55 <H-H-H> thats fir oar load not save
2016-04-07 01:00 <Plugh> H-H-H: Yes, I did say that.
2016-04-07 01:10 <H-H-H> ahhh sorry :)
2016-04-07 01:13 <Plugh> np
2016-04-07 01:21 <JoeRadik_> Ken_Savage, look here for info on splitting vars: https://github.com/M-O-S-E-S/opensim-oar-utilities
2016-04-07 01:21 <Ken_Savage> Thanks JoeRadik
2016-04-07 01:21 <JoeRadik_> YW
2016-04-07 01:22 <JoeRadik_> I used it once and it seemed to work fine.
2016-04-07 01:55 <H-H-H> thanks for that JoeRadik
2016-04-07 01:55 <H-H-H> thanks for that JoeRadik_ *
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2016-04-07 06:52 <jakdaniels> Ken_Savage: Save a complete OAR of the 4x4 region. Then create new regions the size you require and use load oar with the parameters to take pieces of the larger oar (including terrain and parcels) into the smaller regions. It is documented in the wiki here: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Load_Oar_0.9.0%2B
2016-04-07 06:55 <jakdaniels> I added this ability recently and it's only in 0.9 (dev master)
2016-04-07 14:30 <gmc> hi all, what kind of communcation api exists for region modules to interacts with scripts?
2016-04-07 14:31 <Velus-universe> i dont know much about the c# but have you read the code?
2016-04-07 14:31 <gmc> yeah, i'm going by pointers from the code, but can't readily find  way to send link messages for example
2016-04-07 14:31 <Velus-universe> im not to sure my self 
2016-04-07 14:32 <Velus-universe> someone might know on here
2016-04-07 14:32 <gmc> or chat messages even
2016-04-07 14:32 <gmc> looks like the world of scenes is seperate from the world of scripts somehow
2016-04-07 14:32 <gmc> i'm sure there's an interface somewhere :)
2016-04-07 14:45 <H-H-H> as far as i know there isnt with one exception
2016-04-07 14:45 <H-H-H> https://justincc.wordpress.com/2010/07/16/passing-data-between-a-script-and-a-region-module-with-modsendcommand/
2016-04-07 14:46 <H-H-H> unless things have changed that is as far as i know the only way for scripts to interact with region modules
2016-04-07 15:34 <H-H-H> ping Plugh
2016-04-07 15:34 <Plugh> pong
2016-04-07 15:36 <H-H-H> just incase your wondering i found a copy of groups php code converted to mysqli
2016-04-07 15:36 <H-H-H> https://github.com/eudaimonent/flotsam_XmlRpcGroup
2016-04-07 15:55 <Plugh> H-H-H: Thanks for the info. It is using mysqli calls but it doesn't appear to be secure. I don't see any indication it is protecting against SQL injection unless that is buried in the way the $params array is built.
2016-04-07 15:56 <H-H-H> couldnt tell you but it apears from a quick look to be the same as the original php so its probably as secure as that was
2016-04-07 15:56 <Melanie_> Velus-universe: There is a bit foeld in the regions table. one of the bits is RegionOnline. It is set when a region comes up and cleared when it goes down, unless you have the system set to remove regions table rows entirely. Note that crashing or killing a region does NOT remove the flag or the database row.
2016-04-07 15:57 <Melanie_> gmc: There is a plethora of functions that allow region module level scripting
2016-04-07 15:57 <Velus-universe> i would use pdo not mysqli_ tbh its a lot better and also mysqli_ is deprciated in php7 now
2016-04-07 15:58 <Velus-universe> where can i get the info on the flags for regions?
2016-04-07 15:58 <Melanie_> to send, for instance, a link message to a prim, you would take your Scene reference and get the interfaces to the installed script engines. There may be more than one but usually only one is installed
2016-04-07 15:59 <Melanie_> on that interface you have methos like PostScriptEvent, etc, that allow you to post events to linksets, prims or single scripts
2016-04-07 15:59 <Melanie_> here you can simply post the event, read the source code of llMessageLinked in LSL_Api.cs to find out how
2016-04-07 16:00 <Melanie_> in order for a script to send messages to a region module, you can use two different approaches. You can install a dynamic script function, allowing you to define something like mySendModuleMessage(message)
2016-04-07 16:00 <H-H-H> ty Melanie_ i was led to belive it was a lot more complicated than that although tbh i havent tried to do it
2016-04-07 16:01 <Melanie_> or your module can open a listener and listen for chat
2016-04-07 16:01 <Melanie_> Velus-universe: you need to read the source code for that. you want to look at the grid service
2016-04-07 16:01 <Velus-universe> ok thanks
2016-04-07 16:01 <Plugh> H-H-H: I just looked at the copy of flotsam groups I have. Justin updated it to protect against SQL injection back in 2010 but I don't see those changes in the version you found.
2016-04-07 16:02 <H-H-H> hmm would you mind either sharing or maybe you have a link
2016-04-07 16:02 <Melanie_> 
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2016-04-07 16:03 <Plugh> H-H-H: https://github.com/mcortez/flotsam
2016-04-07 16:03 <Velus-universe> 
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2016-04-07 16:04 <H-H-H> ahh thanks i will maybe pull that and see how the mysqli conversion was done and apply it to that one ty
2016-04-07 16:05 <H-H-H> and yeah i should have remembered mysq_escape_string as i had to do the other modules i run and mysqli_escape_string requires different params lol had me scratching me head for a few till i googled it lol
2016-04-07 16:05 <Plugh> At a minimum, you want to wrap all $params values in mysql_real_escape_string().
2016-04-07 16:06 <Plugh> The proper way to do the SQL queries in mysqli is to use parameter binding.
2016-04-07 16:06 <H-H-H> mysqli
2016-04-07 16:07 <H-H-H> mysqli_real_escape_string($link,$to)
2016-04-07 16:07 <Melanie_> while i understand the security concerns of mysql and the reason to deprecate it, i don't see the same reasons for deprecating mysqli
2016-04-07 16:07 <Plugh> Use parameter binding and you don't need to use the string escape call.
2016-04-07 16:08 <Melanie_> IMHO, pdo is fine if you have to deal with databases other than mysql
2016-04-07 16:08 <Melanie_> but if you code that should only ever run with mysql, mysqli is the way, not pdo
2016-04-07 16:08 <Melanie_> pdo is an extra layer of abstraction and that makes it sloooow
2016-04-07 16:08 <Plugh> Melanie_: I haven't looked at the PHP sites in a while. Is there an explanation why mysqli is being depecrated.
2016-04-07 16:08 <Plugh> ?
2016-04-07 16:09 <H-H-H> i guess its down to personal preference untill mysqli is depreciated
2016-04-07 16:09 <H-H-H> and ty for your help Plugh 
2016-04-07 16:09 <Plugh> H-H-H: yw
2016-04-07 16:13 <Plugh> Some time back when I was doing something where I might have wanted to support multiple databases I was using the light version of ADOdb
2016-04-07 16:15 <Melanie_> i don't see any notice about mysqli being deprecated
2016-04-07 16:15 <Melanie_> php7 will finally remove the long deprecated mysql extension
2016-04-07 16:16 <Melanie_> which is based on query by string building and therefore always vulnerable to injectionn unless the programmer is really on the ball
2016-04-07 16:16 <Plugh> ok. I may have misread your statement as stating that mysqli was also being deprecated.
2016-04-07 16:17 <Melanie_> it was inreply to Velus-universe, who said it was being deprecated
2016-04-07 16:17 <Plugh> I have to talk with jakdaniels again about the birds module in regards to this topic.
2016-04-07 16:17 <gmc> Melanie_: thanks, i'll go look for those!
2016-04-07 16:17 <Melanie_> that module really is for the birds
2016-04-07 16:18 <Plugh> :)
2016-04-07 16:18 <Velus-universe> Melanie_, i cant find the flag details for regions 
2016-04-07 16:20 <Melanie_> Velus-universe: pasted it into query, it's too long to bother the chat with it
2016-04-07 16:21 <Velus-universe> thanks i seen 
2016-04-07 16:21 <Melanie_> 
ACTION relurks again

2016-04-07 16:23 <Velus-universe> what does it mean when they register and unregister? i am assuming, i start a region, it registers and when i send shutdown on that region it unregisters? or is it register when someone comes into it and unregisters when someone dosent
2016-04-07 16:23 <Velus-universe> no one is in the region
2016-04-07 16:23 <Plugh> oh, great. Git has decided to throw some other (new to me) message when I'm trying to update a copy of a repo.
2016-04-07 16:24 <Plugh> warning: CRLF will be replaced by LF in Module/BirdsModule/FlockingView.cs.
2016-04-07 16:24 <Plugh> The file will have its original line endings in your working directory.
2016-04-07 16:24 <Plugh> Great. Use LF line endings. I'm fine with that but why does it need to give me a warning and how do I eliminate the warning?
2016-04-07 16:25 <Velus-universe> im guessing your on windows?
2016-04-07 16:26 <Plugh> Velus-universe: Windows? Bite you tongue. I rarely run Windows. I'm on Linux.
2016-04-07 16:26 <Velus-universe> ok so why is it saying CRLF warning? im sure that is windows line ending
2016-04-07 16:27 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: ping
2016-04-07 16:28 <Plugh> I just got the call for lunch.
2016-04-07 16:29 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: I'm seeing an issue with line endings in the birds module. Can you take a moment and fix the line endings in the file and also set the autocrlf setting in git for the repo? Thanks.
2016-04-07 16:29 <Plugh> I'll be back after lunch.
2016-04-07 16:30 <Velus-universe> ok have a good one Plugh 
2016-04-07 16:30 <Velus-universe> Melanie_, the register of a region and unregister, is that for when a region is started and stoped? or when a user goes on and off the region
2016-04-07 16:51 <Ken_Savage> I have to say, I am amazed at the improvement in texture rezing and lag reduction in the new Firestorm Viewer.
2016-04-07 16:52 <Ken_Savage> No more blurry or gray textures on sims loaded with textures and prims.
2016-04-07 16:52 <Ken_Savage> Biggest improvement I've seen in Viewers in a long time.
2016-04-07 16:53 <Ken_Savage> Windering if the improvement is from the new ability to use up to 1024 of the graphics card memory now.
2016-04-07 16:57 <Velus-universe> i cant install it, it keeps comming up with failers i sent in a report a while back but still no reply from them
2016-04-07 17:06 <jakdaniels_> Ken_Savage, did you see my comment on loading OARS from varregions into smaller regions earlier?
2016-04-07 17:07 <jakdaniels_> Plugh.... I have tried to get rid of the CRLF endings on all the files, but I use VS2010 to edit and it always puts them back. I though I had installed a git macro to strip them off, but it obviously doesn't work
2016-04-07 17:08 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: You just need to tell git to auto convert the line endings.
2016-04-07 17:08 <jakdaniels_> How do I do that?
2016-04-07 17:11 <Plugh> There is a git config setting called core.autocrlf.
2016-04-07 17:11 <jakdaniels_> Ken_Savage look at http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Load_Oar_0.9.0%2B for info on the new stuff I added to 'load oar' in dev master which should do what you want regarding splitting up a varregion into smaller regions
2016-04-07 17:11 <Ken_Savage> jakdaniels, yes I did just now and thanks!
2016-04-07 17:11 <jakdaniels_> I have that set to false currently
2016-04-07 17:11 <jakdaniels_> Plugh, should it be true?
2016-04-07 17:11 <Plugh> yes
2016-04-07 17:12 <jakdaniels_> ok let me try that
2016-04-07 17:12 <Plugh> If you have files already checked in with the wrong line endings that won't fix things but it will help on future commits/pushes
2016-04-07 17:12 <H-H-H> hey Plugh can i borrow your brain a min
2016-04-07 17:12 <Plugh> H-H-H: As long as you promise to give it back when you are done with it. 
2016-04-07 17:13 <Plugh> :D
2016-04-07 17:13 <jakdaniels_> ok so I need to load up all the files and fix them then.... eww... ok I will get round to that in abit
2016-04-07 17:13 <H-H-H> that i cant sorry im practising frontal labotomay
2016-04-07 17:13 <H-H-H> lol
2016-04-07 17:13 <Plugh> H-H-H: hehe
2016-04-07 17:13 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: git config --help will show some other settings related to line endings.
2016-04-07 17:14 <H-H-H> in the escaped version of xmlrpc.php for the groups i have converted it all over to mysqli however im stuck on one bit lol
2016-04-07 17:14 <H-H-H> $sql = " SELECT $PermMask & $PermValue AS Allowed";
2016-04-07 17:14 <H-H-H>         $results = mysqli_query($groupDBCon, $sql);
2016-04-07 17:14 <H-H-H> thats fine
2016-04-07 17:15 <H-H-H> however the old code used $PermMasked = mysql_result($results, 0); which mysqli doesnt have
2016-04-07 17:15 <jakdaniels_> ah, maybe this git config setting will help: text eol=lf
2016-04-07 17:16 <H-H-H> ive found http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17707331/fatal-error-call-to-undefined-function-mysqli-result and i understand the idea however im not sure exactly what is returned from that sql lol is it 2 vars or the sum of the 2
2016-04-07 17:16 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: Be careful which line ending changes you are making. You want to let text files use the native line ending for the operating system a person is using.
2016-04-07 17:16 <H-H-H> brb food
2016-04-07 17:16 <Plugh> H-H-H: That SQL query looks odd. What line is that on?
2016-04-07 17:16 <jakdaniels_> ok: *.c text eof=lf     ;)
2016-04-07 17:16 <jakdaniels_> *.cs
2016-04-07 17:16 <H-H-H> ariund 1655
2016-04-07 17:17 <Plugh> H-H-H: ok. I'll pull that up.
2016-04-07 17:17 <Plugh> Ah, ok. I see it.
2016-04-07 17:17 <jakdaniels_> just use $results[0] instead?
2016-04-07 17:18 <Plugh> H-H-H: I think I agree with the comment. It is any ugly bitwise op.
2016-04-07 17:18 <jakdaniels_> oop no that won't work
2016-04-07 17:22 <Plugh> H-H-H: Look at line 1585 in the xmlrpci.php file of the version of groups you posted earlier.
2016-04-07 17:23 <Plugh> H-H-H: The code is doing a permissions check so just get the set of perms then do the mask and test in PHP after you have the user group perms.
2016-04-07 17:24 <jakdaniels_> Plugh, ok I added '*.cs     text diff=csharp eol=lf' to my .gitattributes, then ran 'find . -name *.cs|xargs touch', and the latest commit changes .gitattributes and Module/BirdsModule/FlockingView.cs which was the file you mentioned above.
2016-04-07 17:24 <jakdaniels_> so it should be ok now
2016-04-07 17:25 <jakdaniels_> oh, but maybe not hmmm.... 
2016-04-07 17:25 <jakdaniels_> it also said: warning: LF will be replaced by CRLF in Module/BirdsModule/FlockingView.cs
2016-04-07 17:25 <H-H-H> the converted one desnt have that code lolahh ok i see ty Plugh
2016-04-07 17:25 <H-H-H> dammn spacebar whent on strike lol
2016-04-07 17:27 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: I don't think that is the setting you need. You want files you checkout to have crlf endings if you are in Windows and I want to get just LF when I check out the same files.
2016-04-07 17:27 <Plugh> H-H-H: yw
2016-04-07 17:28 <jakdaniels_> vs2010 doesn't mind files with just LF, it's just that it insists on using CRLF for any changes/additions you make
2016-04-07 17:28 <jakdaniels_> I would rather they were just LF
2016-04-07 17:29 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: with autocrlf set you don't have to care. 
2016-04-07 17:30 <Plugh> git will adjust line endings as appropriate automatically. It will only save them one way in the repo.
2016-04-07 17:30 <jakdaniels_> what happens if you git pull now?
2016-04-07 17:30 <Plugh> IIRC, it would save them in the repo as LF only and use the right version as needed.
2016-04-07 17:31 <Plugh> I got the warning but I then ran dos2unix on the .cs files and pulled again. No more warning.
2016-04-07 17:32 <jakdaniels_> so.... did I fix it or not? ;)
2016-04-07 17:35 <Plugh> I think so but I'm having a fight with git.
2016-04-07 17:35 <jakdaniels_> yes, I have those sometimes too :)
2016-04-07 17:35 <Plugh> It thinks I have a modified version of a file and I can't fix that issue.
2016-04-07 17:36 <Melanie_> if you didn't actually modify it, you can correct this
2016-04-07 17:36 <Plugh> The FlockingView.cs file needs to be updated. It is using both types of file ending.
2016-04-07 17:36 <Melanie_> remove the file
2016-04-07 17:36 <Melanie_> then issue
2016-04-07 17:36 <Melanie_> git checkout <filepath>
2016-04-07 17:36 <Melanie_> it will pull the file from the repo
2016-04-07 17:36 <Plugh> Melanie_: already did that. Didn't help.
2016-04-07 17:36 <Melanie_> git status should now show it as clean
2016-04-07 17:37 <Melanie_> try git diff
2016-04-07 17:37 <Melanie_> it will tell you what it thinks you changed
2016-04-07 17:37 <Melanie_> ultimately, you can git reset --hard
2016-04-07 17:37 <Melanie_> or even delete your working copy (NOT the repo in .git) and then do git reset --hard
2016-04-07 17:38 <Melanie_> there is NEVER a need to delete everything and reclone
2016-04-07 17:38 <Melanie_> recloning can take a long time, deleting the work tree and resetting is fast
2016-04-07 17:38 <Plugh> Melanie_: Sure there is. When you don't want to spend hours fighting with trying to fix the local copy of the repo. :)
2016-04-07 17:38 <Melanie_> wrong
2016-04-07 17:38 <Melanie_> the local copy of the repo can never be corrupt
2016-04-07 17:38 <Melanie_> only your working tree can be corrupt
2016-04-07 17:39 <Melanie_> so you can delete the working tree and leave the .git directory
2016-04-07 17:39 <Melanie_> then do git reset --hard
2016-04-07 17:39 <Melanie_> to get a brand new working tree
2016-04-07 17:39 <Plugh> whether it is the checked out copy or the copy of the repo, there are times that just recloning is faster than screwing around trying to get things back in to a known good state.
2016-04-07 17:40 <Melanie_> what do you call screwing around?
2016-04-07 17:40 <Melanie_> in linux or gitbash under windows
2016-04-07 17:40 <Melanie_> just use 
2016-04-07 17:40 <Melanie_> cd /path/to/checkout
2016-04-07 17:40 <Melanie_> rm -rf *
2016-04-07 17:40 <Plugh> Trying different commands to see what will get things back in to a known good state.
2016-04-07 17:40 <Melanie_> git reset --hard
2016-04-07 17:40 <Plugh> That hasn't always helped me in the past.
2016-04-07 17:40 <Melanie_> what i just told you two times _always_ works
2016-04-07 17:41 <Plugh> I'm getting better at not having to reclone. I can usually find a way to fix things. I just hope I don't lose work in the process.
2016-04-07 17:41 <Melanie_> if that doesn't work, your .git/config is messed up. that doesn't happen on it's own, it can only happen if you use bogus values with the git config command
2016-04-07 17:41 <Plugh> No, it hasn't always worked. I've lost work trying to get back to a known good state. 
2016-04-07 17:41 <Melanie_> do you have local work?
2016-04-07 17:41 <Plugh> Sometimes I do. Sometimes I also have stashed changes.
2016-04-07 17:41 <Melanie_> yes you can use local uncommitted work, but reclone also loses that
2016-04-07 17:42 <jakdaniels_> Plugh, updated again... used dos2unix to fix it, it should be ok now
2016-04-07 17:42 <Melanie_> stashes are in .git if you don't delete .git, your stashes are safe
2016-04-07 17:42 <Plugh> But I have my "bad" copy of the tree and can compare and reapply changes.
2016-04-07 17:42 <Melanie_> same here
2016-04-07 17:42 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: ok, ty
2016-04-07 17:42 <Melanie_> you can make a copy of your old work tree (NOT repo)
2016-04-07 17:42 <Melanie_> then remove the work tree and reset
2016-04-07 17:42 <Melanie_> or you can even do this:
2016-04-07 17:42 <Melanie_> mkdir /new/work/tree
2016-04-07 17:43 <Melanie_> GIT_WORK_TREE=/new/work/tree git reset --hard
2016-04-07 17:43 <Melanie_> to get a clean copy elsewhere :)
2016-04-07 17:46 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: didn't help.
2016-04-07 17:47 <jakdaniels_> that file does not have any CRs in it, unless git changed it during commit somehow
2016-04-07 17:49 <Plugh> You commited and pushed the file(s) after running dos2unux?
2016-04-07 17:49 <jakdaniels_> yes
2016-04-07 17:49 <Plugh> dos2unix? 
2016-04-07 17:49 <Plugh> Its still coming up as a file with mixed endings.
2016-04-07 17:49 <jakdaniels_> and the size changed to be smaller so it must have stripped some
2016-04-07 17:50 <Plugh> I do reset --hard and it says the file is modified
2016-04-07 17:50 <Melanie_> ./OpenSim/Region/PhysicsModules/BulletS/Tests/BulletSimTests.cs
2016-04-07 17:50 <Melanie_> ./OpenSim/Framework/Monitoring/Stats/EventHistogram.cs
2016-04-07 17:50 <Melanie_> ./Prebuild/src/Core/Nodes/CleanupNode.cs
2016-04-07 17:50 <Melanie_> ./Prebuild/src/Core/Nodes/DatabaseProjectNode.cs
2016-04-07 17:50 <Melanie_> ./Prebuild/src/Core/Nodes/ConfigurationNodeCollection.cs
2016-04-07 17:50 <Melanie_> ./Prebuild/src/Core/Nodes/CleanFilesNode.cs
2016-04-07 17:50 <Melanie_> ./Prebuild/src/Core/Nodes/DatabaseReferenceNode.cs
2016-04-07 17:50 <Melanie_> ./Prebuild/src/Core/Targets/AutotoolsTarget.cs
2016-04-07 17:50 <Melanie_> ./Prebuild/src/Core/Targets/VSGenericTarget.cs
2016-04-07 17:50 <Melanie_> these files contain CR
2016-04-07 17:51 <Melanie_> hmmm
2016-04-07 17:51 <jakdaniels_> is it just Monodevelop that you use Plugh that is bothered about the mixed endings?
2016-04-07 17:51 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: It is git complaining. I'm just at a shell prompt doing rm, git checkout, git status.
2016-04-07 17:52 <jakdaniels_> set autocrlf = false in your .gitconfig then it won't complain
2016-04-07 17:53 <Plugh> Are you sure you pushed the changes? The last commit from you was March 25
2016-04-07 17:54 <jakdaniels_> https://github.com/JakDaniels/OpenSimBirds last commit 32mins ago
2016-04-07 17:55 <jakdaniels_> Melanie_ do you know the proper way to get git to remove the crap that VS adds when committing .cs files?
2016-04-07 17:55 <Plugh> ok, I got that change now.
2016-04-07 17:55 <Melanie_> what crap does it add?
2016-04-07 17:55 <jakdaniels_> CRs ;)
2016-04-07 17:56 <Melanie_> if your git mode is set properly, git removes them
2016-04-07 17:56 <Melanie_> there are some pages on the net to describe this
2016-04-07 17:56 <Melanie_> also, of you install msysgit, you get asked on installation
2016-04-07 17:56 <Melanie_> i don't remember how to do it after the fact but there are 2 options to set
2016-04-07 17:56 <jakdaniels_> I have *.cs     text diff=csharp eol=lf in my .gitattributes file is that it?
2016-04-07 17:56 <Melanie_> no
2016-04-07 17:57 <Melanie_> the options i'm talking about are set with git config --global
2016-04-07 17:57 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: ok, Looks like things are back on track again.
2016-04-07 17:57 <Melanie_> Plugh: I removed those CRs. jakdaniels_ may still have them intthe local repo
2016-04-07 17:57 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: Now I have forgotten what I was talking about before the fight with git.
2016-04-07 17:58 <jakdaniels_> I stripped them with dos2unix on the file that Plugh was having issues with
2016-04-07 17:59 <Plugh> Ah, we were mostly talking about line endings but I was thinking of a couple other issues before that.
2016-04-07 18:00 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: Why does the birds module print out the usage information to the console when the module loads?
2016-04-07 18:01 <jakdaniels_> It's just a bit too chatty maybe ;) It tells you what commands it has added to the console
2016-04-07 18:01 <Plugh> Melanie_: ok. Those other files didn't give me any headaches. It was the file with the mixed endings that was.
2016-04-07 18:01 <Melanie_> the convention for modules, as agreed way back, is that a module can elect to either load silently or to output one single line to say it's running. startup should not output any other information
2016-04-07 18:01 <Melanie_> that is what help is for
2016-04-07 18:01 <jakdaniels_> *region console
2016-04-07 18:01 <Melanie_> Plugh: which one was it?
2016-04-07 18:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #4620 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-04-07 18:02 <Melanie_> jakdaniels_: please reduce output on startup to one line. that is th convention. anything more than that is spam
2016-04-07 18:02 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: What Melanie just said. It should just say it was loaded or not loaded. I don't need to see anything else on the console.
2016-04-07 18:03 <Plugh> Melanie_: The file that was giving me grief was Module/BirdsModule/FlockingView.cs
2016-04-07 18:03 <jakdaniels_> I didn't know that convention had been agreed. I'll make it less chatty then when I next delve into to the code. Got too many windows open on another work project atm
2016-04-07 18:03 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: np. Just mentioning it to you.
2016-04-07 18:03 <Melanie_> Plugh: as I don't have the birds module in my checkout, i could not fix that
2016-04-07 18:03 <Plugh> Melanie_: np. I wasn't expecting you to fix it.
2016-04-07 18:04 <Melanie_> jakdaniels_: it should say something like [BIRDS}: Module loaded.
2016-04-07 18:04 <Melanie_> it _may_ say
2016-04-07 18:04 <Melanie_> [BIRDS]: Module loaded successfully. Use 'help birds' for help
2016-04-07 18:04 <Melanie_> which is informative enough to gie a new bird owner the pointer they need
2016-04-07 18:05 <jakdaniels_> ya ok. But I see output from say the SUN or WIND module showing how it's been setup during startup
2016-04-07 18:05 <Melanie_> those are _very_ old modules
2016-04-07 18:05 <Melanie_> they predate my help system and this convention
2016-04-07 18:05 <Plugh> It could also go so far as to say which regions will be using the birds module for people running more than one region in an instance. 
2016-04-07 18:05 <Melanie_> no one has gone back to chenge them
2016-04-07 18:05 <Melanie_> Plugh: no
2016-04-07 18:06 <Melanie_> the core already does that
2016-04-07 18:06 <jakdaniels_> that's probably why I thought it was ok then ;)
2016-04-07 18:06 <Melanie_> global modules are listed before regions tartup
2016-04-07 18:06 <Melanie_> region modules are listed under the region heading
2016-04-07 18:06 <Melanie_> and repeated on each region load
2016-04-07 18:07 <Melanie_> an exception would be a shared module that doesn't attach to all regions but i know of no such beast
2016-04-07 18:07 <Plugh> Melanie_: The birds module has an ini file (or files) that state a region name and the birds modules settings for the named region.
2016-04-07 18:07 <Melanie_> is it a shared or nonshared module?
2016-04-07 18:07 <Plugh> Let me look
2016-04-07 18:07 <jakdaniels_> nonshared
2016-04-07 18:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4620: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4620/
2016-04-07 18:07 <osjenkins> melanie: CR safari. Remove gratuitious CRs in some files
2016-04-07 18:08 <Melanie_> in that case, if the module isn't active for a region, it should not output the "loaded" line
2016-04-07 18:08 <Plugh> Melanie_: nonshared
2016-04-07 18:08 <Melanie_> in that way the loaded line only appears for the regions it's in use on
2016-04-07 18:08 <Melanie_> it's just best to keep this nice and standardized
2016-04-07 18:09 <jakdaniels_> I'll revisit it at some point then... but it's not a priority for now
2016-04-07 18:09 <Melanie_> since it's not in core, it's not one for me either :)
2016-04-07 18:10 <Plugh> If the birds module was used in an instance that ran two regions but the birds ini settings only enabled the module for one region, how would that be indicated in the console output?
2016-04-07 18:10 <Melanie_> although it seems popular
2016-04-07 18:10 <Melanie_> one may tink to include it at some point
2016-04-07 18:10 <jakdaniels_> sure
2016-04-07 18:10 <Plugh> Melanie_: It is a neat module. The people who have seen it running really like it. It adds a nice extra touch for beach regions (for example).
2016-04-07 18:10 <Melanie_> Plugh: the console says "[REGION]: Loading modules for region xyzzy"
2016-04-07 18:11 <Melanie_> after thatm it would show [BIRDS}: Loaded
2016-04-07 18:11 <Melanie_> then it starts 
2016-04-07 18:11 <Plugh> ok
2016-04-07 18:11 <Melanie_> [REGION[: Loading module for region y2
2016-04-07 18:11 <Melanie_> where the bords line would then NOT appear
2016-04-07 18:11 <Plugh> Other than for standalone mode I don't run more than one region per instance.
2016-04-07 18:11 <Melanie_> we run one region per instance
2016-04-07 18:12 <Melanie_> except for water sims and grace-and0favour sims
2016-04-07 18:12 <jakdaniels_> Plugh it still probably outputs something to say no [regionname] found in the ini so will be disabled
2016-04-07 18:12 <Melanie_> which we run as multiregion instances
2016-04-07 18:12 <Melanie_> but our terms state that those types of regions are load-shared fair use
2016-04-07 18:12 <Plugh> I do as well for a grid. My local standalone is running two regions in one instance. Partly me being lazy and I don't really need to run in grid mode on my own machine.
2016-04-07 18:13 <Melanie_> jakdaniels_: That is a no-no. A disabled module MUST NEVER output anything
2016-04-07 18:13 <Melanie_> that was the reason that convention was agreed back then
2016-04-07 18:13 <Melanie_> because everyone had their module output "i'm disabled" lines
2016-04-07 18:13 <Melanie_> and it was just too much
2016-04-07 18:13 <Melanie_> so we agreed on one line on startup if enabled, nothing if disabled
2016-04-07 18:13 <Melanie_> and whatever is needed for troubleshooting in case of error
2016-04-07 18:14 <jakdaniels_> ok... i know that now :) :) I'm not sure the wiki page on writing modules says that, but I might have missed it
2016-04-07 18:14 <Melanie_> maybe you can add it :)
2016-04-07 18:14 <Melanie_> it may never have been written down
2016-04-07 18:14 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: The wiki is probably out of date. :)
2016-04-07 18:14 <Melanie_> core was more active in chat in those days. there were also more fo us
2016-04-07 18:15 <jakdaniels_> so where do all the agreed conventions get listed?
2016-04-07 18:15 <Melanie_> we should probablyhave a coding standards and conventions page
2016-04-07 18:16 <Plugh> There is a coding standards wiki page.
2016-04-07 18:16 <Melanie_> then it should be expanded to contain conventions, too
2016-04-07 18:16 <Plugh> and a separate page called "Region module basics".
2016-04-07 18:16 <Melanie_> i'm still working on a new opensimulator website
2016-04-07 18:17 <Melanie_> eventually that sort of staic info wll find a home there instead of the wiki
2016-04-07 18:17 <Melanie_> i just don't have all that much time for free stuff these days
2016-04-07 18:17 <Melanie_> i have to make ends meet after all
2016-04-07 18:17 <Melanie_> well, afk again for a bit
2016-04-07 18:17 <Plugh> I made a few changes to the db docs in the wiki the other day. Added some missing info. I need to check the dates for the different releases of OS.
2016-04-07 18:19 <Plugh> djphil_: ping
2016-04-07 18:22 <Plugh> Melanie_: Coding standards page is just some basic info about writing in C#. I don't see anything in the page about Region module basics regarding messages to the console during startup.
2016-04-07 18:23 <Melanie_> Plugh: as i said, it may have never been written down
2016-04-07 18:23 <Melanie_> much in core wasn't back then
2016-04-07 18:23 <Plugh> Melanie_: yes. I was just letting you know that it hasn't been from what I can see. If it has been, its in some other corner of the wiki.
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2016-04-07 22:47 <smxy> Can someone tell me what is failing here: http://pastebin.com/gLuKZddZ
2016-04-07 22:47 <smxy> Clearly, in line 8, my system *is* able to resolve the name to an address.
2016-04-07 22:48 <Velus-universe> are you trying to hg?
2016-04-07 22:48 <smxy> I should think that was obvious.
2016-04-07 22:49 <Velus-universe> just checking, is your co ords the same as the hg co ords? i.e your grid location 1000,1000 and the hg location on the grid 1000,1000?
2016-04-07 22:51 <smxy> Not to my knowledge.
2016-04-07 22:51 <smxy> But that's not what the error is about. That would just crash me.
2016-04-07 22:51 <Velus-universe> i had the same problem and it turnd out we was both on the same coords
2016-04-07 22:51 <smxy> This is a DNS error.
2016-04-07 22:52 <smxy> The *same* problem? It failed due to NameResolutionFailure?
2016-04-07 22:52 <Velus-universe> i cant rember the exact error message
2016-04-07 22:53 <smxy> Then you don't know if i was the same problem.
2016-04-07 22:53 <smxy> if it*
2016-04-08 00:17 <Plugh> smxy: My first thought is a DNS issue. The name seen earlier may just be the name you originally entered in attempting the HG TP. I'm also a bit puzzled by that message which says "Found region using legacy size."
2016-04-08 00:18 <Plugh> Perhaps it couldn't find the name of the region you were trying to reach.
2016-04-08 00:18 <smxy> Plugh: That address has been in my gate for ages. I didn't enter it into a map.
2016-04-08 00:19 <smxy> And I don't specify a region, so it goes to their default, which they returned as CREA
2016-04-08 00:20 <smxy> I'm beginning to wonder if they are running an old OpenSim.
2016-04-08 00:21 <Plugh> That was another thought I had. OS version mismatch.
2016-04-08 00:21 <smxy> I'm running 0.8.2.1 Release.
2016-04-08 00:22 <smxy> Not sure what they are running.
2016-04-08 00:25 <smxy> They were running 0.8.1.0 last Fall, is all I know.
2016-04-08 09:53 <osmantis> Bug #7874:04 Parcel properties don't take effect when entering parcel 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7874 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-04-08 13:00 <osmantis> Bug #7875:04 worldmap tiles not loading when standing in a newer (OSgrid 0.9.0) region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7875 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-04-08 18:30 <smxy> Plugh: The issue turns out to be: Don't use Mono 4.4.0 - it's broken.
2016-04-08 18:31 <smxy> I switched back to 4.0.1.43 and all the problems went away.
2016-04-08 18:31 <smxy> Melanie says 4.3.2 is good, so I'll try that next.
2016-04-08 18:34 <H-H-H> 
ACTION is on 4.2.2 so should be good

2016-04-08 18:44 <Plugh> 4.4 is also broken? Sheesh. Getting down to a very specific version of 4.x to use with OS.
2016-04-08 18:45 <Velus-universe> yeah i know
2016-04-08 19:14 <smxy> Plugh: Yeah, the NameResolutionFailure issues went away. So did the problem of my grid not  being able to verify people's identities, when coming from certain grids. And lastly, Avatars from Kitely can TP to my grid now, instead of having the TP timeout. I'd call that pretty damned broken.
2016-04-08 19:15 <smxy> Another grid owner has corroborated that he had the same issues with Mono 4.4.0.
2016-04-08 20:03 <zadarkTap1> smxy: As I recall the issue is due to IPV6 reverse lookup failure. Does not fail with all ISP suggesting some ISP not ready yet.
2016-04-08 20:26 <smxy> zadarkTap1: Adding a feature, for IPv6, that breaks IPv4, is bullshit, if you ask me.
2016-04-08 20:53 <zadarkTap1> smxy: well most sys admins would verify the data exchange during the failure, and would know if it was bullshit or not.
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2016-04-08 21:15 <smxy> zadarkTap1: Perhaps. But I don't use IPv6. OpenSim doesn't support IPv6. I don't even use IPv6 at work. So, I know next to nothing about it. My point is, why should anything related to IPv6 have any effect, whatsoever, on my application (OpenSim), when it doesn't use it? That it broke the functionality of software that doesn't use IPv6 is what I consider to be BS.
2016-04-08 21:17 <smxy> 4.0.1.43 works just fine. The folks working on Mono did something, since then, which breaks OpenSim. That's bad.
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2016-04-09 10:41 <osmantis> Bug #7876:04 land on structures after teleporting home from hypergrid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7876 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-04-09 14:09 <H-H-H> is it just my connection or does github seem slow today
2016-04-09 16:09 <osmantis> Bug #7873:04 Table "Presence"  not found on first run... should be "presence"  .. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-09 16:14 <osmantis> Bug #7874:04 Parcel properties don't take effect when entering parcel 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7874 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-09 17:19 <osmantis> Bug #7873:04 Table "Presence"  not found on first run... should be "presence"  .. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-09 19:43 <smxy> Melanie_T: 4.3.2 may work okay for you, but it seems that anything above 4.2 they done something to it that causes IPv6-related HG issues. My grid, and at least one other, that I'm aware of, experienced several problems when switching to it. We could no longer verify the identity of avatars coming from some grids. We would get "NameResolutionFailure" fails, when trying to HG to some grids. 
2016-04-09 19:43 <smxy> And lastly, avatars from some grids could no longer get to our grids, as their HG attempt would time out. In my case, reverting back to 4.0.1.43 resolved all of those issues.
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2016-04-09 22:18 <osmantis> Bug #7873:04 Table "Presence"  not found on first run... should be "presence"  .. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-04-10 08:29 <osmantis> Bug #7873:04 Table "Presence"  not found on first run... should be "presence"  .. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-10 08:40 <osmantis> Bug #7873:04 Table "Presence"  not found on first run... should be "presence"  .. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-10 11:26 <osmantis> Bug #7873:04 Table "Presence"  not found on first run... should be "presence"  .. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-10 15:58 <Plugh> djphil__: ping
2016-04-10 16:11 <djphil__> pong
2016-04-10 16:13 <Plugh> djphil__: Hey, there. I looked at your osguide again the other day. You had protected strings passed in to the PHP code by using the mysql_real_escape_string() call but then you removed that. You are back to the code being unsafe again.
2016-04-10 16:13 <djphil__> yes i remove it again
2016-04-10 16:14 <djphil__> why ? because PDO prepare include escape string
2016-04-10 16:14 <djphil__> so is secure ...
2016-04-10 16:14 <djphil__> right ?
2016-04-10 16:14 <djphil__> lol
2016-04-10 16:16 <djphil__> and too, mysql_real_escape_string is OBSELET
2016-04-10 16:17 <djphil__> http://php.net/manual/function.mysql-real-escape-string.php
2016-04-10 16:17 <Plugh> djphil__: If you can point me to the web page that says that I'll read it and see how that works. AFAIK, you would need to use prepared statements with parameter substitution.
2016-04-10 16:17 <Plugh> djphil__: http://code.tutsplus.com/tutorials/php-database-access-are-you-doing-it-correctly--net-25338
2016-04-10 16:19 <djphil__> i don't see any mysql_real_escape_string on your page
2016-04-10 16:20 <Plugh> djphil__: not obsolete. All of the mysql calls are deprecated. In one of the latest versions of PHP the mysql calls are gone. You can use mysqli instead. It has mysqli_real_escape_string but you can also use prepared statements with parameter binding to avoid the need to escape strings being used in SQL statements.
2016-04-10 16:20 <djphil__> maybee i can use PDO::quote to protect some strings
2016-04-10 16:20 <djphil__> PDO: quote *
2016-04-10 16:20 <djphil__> i don't use mysqli at now
2016-04-10 16:21 <djphil__> but PDO PREPARE is a way to securise request
2016-04-10 16:21 <djphil__> all request i made are PREPARE before EXECUTE
2016-04-10 16:22 <Plugh> um... in which page do you not see the escape string call?
2016-04-10 16:22 <djphil__> PDO STATEMENT is used to SANITISE
2016-04-10 16:23 <djphil__> googelise this "pdo and mysql-real-escape-string"
2016-04-10 16:23 <djphil__> 01mysql-real-escape-string01 IS NOT REQUIERED if you use PDO PREPARE
2016-04-10 16:24 <djphil__> but maybee i have wrong ...
2016-04-10 16:24 <djphil__> i just read some docs on google ...
2016-04-10 16:24 <Plugh> Right. The page I pointed to just now shows how to use PDO with named parameters in prepare statements so you don't need to escape strings.
2016-04-10 16:24 <djphil__> :)
2016-04-10 16:24 <Plugh> Look at the examples on how PDO prepare statements are used in that page I linked to above.
2016-04-10 16:24 <djphil__> now you can use osquide safely :)
2016-04-10 16:25 <Plugh> $stmt = $conn->prepare('SELECT * FROM myTable WHERE id = :id');
2016-04-10 16:25 <djphil__> yep, right
2016-04-10 16:25 <djphil__> i don't do that everywhere in osguide ?
2016-04-10 16:25 <djphil__> don't remeber ...
2016-04-10 16:26 <Plugh> I don't see you using named parameters anywhere in osguide.
2016-04-10 16:26 <djphil__> maybee i can add that then ...
2016-04-10 16:26 <Plugh> djphil__: If you want to test whether you have things safe, try running some tests where you have an ' in the name of a region. ie. "Phil's region".
2016-04-10 16:27 <djphil__> okay
2016-04-10 16:27 <Plugh> Try a region whose description contains ' somewhere in the text. I think you will find that either of those will cause your code to throw a SQL error.
2016-04-10 16:27 <djphil__> ok
2016-04-10 16:28 <djphil__> ty to pointing that
2016-04-10 16:28 <Plugh> yw
2016-04-10 16:28 <djphil__> i can do it now but i will to try todo soon
2016-04-10 16:30 <Plugh> np. I just wanted to point out the problem to you. You can get sometimes away without escaping stuff for a quick and dirty bit of PHP based set of DB operations as long as you know whether you are likely to encounter any strings that will cause issues in the building of the SQL statements.
2016-04-10 16:31 <djphil__> true
2016-04-10 16:31 <Plugh> If its code you are planning to reuse, or put out in to the wild, using parameter binding is the better way of doing things to avoid future problems.
2016-04-10 16:31 <djphil__> don't forget, i'm not a "expert", just a newbie :)
2016-04-10 16:32 <djphil__> yeah, i agree
2016-04-10 16:32 <djphil__> i like the better way
2016-04-10 16:32 <Plugh> I know. I'm trying to point out these types of issues so you won't be always be a newbie. :)
2016-04-10 16:32 <djphil__> hehe
2016-04-10 16:50 <osmantis> Bug #7873:04 Table "Presence"  not found on first run... should be "presence"  .. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-10 16:51 <Melanie_T> smxy: you should not have IPV6 eabled. Opensim and the LL based viewers all don't understand IPv5. THe payload in the packets is only set up for IPv4 addresses.
2016-04-10 16:52 <Melanie_T> Mono 4.3 works fine on machines that have IPv6 disabled
2016-04-10 16:55 <osmantis> Bug #7873:04 Table "Presence"  not found on first run... should be "presence"  .. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-10 17:40 <osmantis> Bug #7873:04 Table "Presence"  not found on first run... should be "presence"  .. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-10 17:45 <osmantis> Bug #7873:04 Table "Presence"  not found on first run... should be "presence"  .. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-10 18:58 <osmantis> Bug #7873:04 Table "Presence"  not found on first run... should be "presence"  .. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-10 19:12 <osmantis> Bug #7873:04 Table "Presence"  not found on first run... should be "presence"  .. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-10 20:05 <osmantis> Bug #7873:04 Table "Presence"  not found on first run... should be "presence"  .. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-10 20:10 <osmantis> Bug #7873:04 Table "Presence"  not found on first run... should be "presence"  .. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-10 20:24 <Melanie_T> smxy: reverting is never a solution
2016-04-10 20:24 <Melanie_T> the cause for your issues must be found and it's likely to be having ipv6 enabled. 
2016-04-10 20:25 <Melanie_T> a machine that expects to seve opensim regions must have ipv6 turned off
2016-04-10 20:25 <Melanie_T> the Powers That Be have decided to step up ipv6 adoption by forcing services to use ipv6 if enabled
2016-04-10 20:26 <Melanie_T> so if your interface has ipv6 enabled, r=the resolver will always try ipv6 adddresses before ipb4 ones
2016-04-10 20:26 <Melanie_T> this led to a DNS issue in that google dns and others public AAAA records for their services but the intervening ISPs can't forward these requiests yet
2016-04-10 20:27 <Melanie_T> so although your system speak IPv6 and the destination system does as well, you still can't communicate with IPv6 because of some funky ipip bridging and stuff in betweeen and the sheer brokenness of the software involved
2016-04-10 20:27 <Melanie_T> for DNS specifically you can tll it to prefer IPv4 but you will still have other IPv6 issues
2016-04-10 20:28 <Melanie_T> the only safe way is to turn off IPv6 at the interface
2016-04-10 20:28 <Melanie_T> and one you do that mono 4.3.2 should work
2016-04-10 20:28 <Melanie_T> once*
2016-04-10 20:58 <danbanner> i had to disable ipv6 on my windows pc for the same reasons.. was looking at ipv6 dns for ipv4 hosts and failing
2016-04-10 21:02 <osmantis> Bug #7873:04 Table "Presence"  not found on first run... should be "presence"  .. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-10 21:08 <diva_> Melanie_T should I change some of those table names to upper case again? 
2016-04-10 21:14 <diva_> I think it's just 2 tables: Presence and UserAccounts
2016-04-10 21:15 <smxy> Melanie_T: Yes, I suspected as much and thank you for confirming that (that IPv6 must be entirely disabled). I have found that it is somewhat of a pain to do it on RHEL6/CentOS6, even following the instructions given by RH themselves, and, worse, OS updates seem to frequently re-enable it. However, I've found that in RHEL7/CentOS7, it is trivial to disable, and it stays that way. Since 
2016-04-10 21:15 <smxy> I'm working towards moving to that version of the operating system, that seems to be my best solution. But there's one catch: I run my servers as VMs on XenServer, and RHEL7/CentOS7 currently has a bug that prevents live-migration from one host to another. So, I'll stay with my older Mono until I can move to the newer operating system, and then will try 4.3.2.
2016-04-10 21:17 <smxy> One might ask when OpenSim will support IPv6 however. Or do you expect it to simply die off when people are forced to move to IPv6 by their providers?
2016-04-10 21:17 <osmantis> Bug #7873:04 Table "Presence"  not found on first run... should be "presence"  .. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-10 21:18 <smxy> It may be something the community needs to fund.
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2016-04-11 01:53 <velusunivers-sys> Melanie_T, what is the avination viewer based on?
2016-04-11 01:56 <osmantis> Bug #7873:04 Table "Presence"  not found on first run... should be "presence"  .. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-11 14:20 <osmantis> Bug #7766:04 Making Hypergrid Landmarks, and buying objects from Kitely to 0.9 code does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7766 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-11 14:57 <osmantis> Bug #7766:04 Making Hypergrid Landmarks, and buying objects from Kitely to 0.9 code does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7766 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-11 15:02 <osmantis> Bug #7873:04 Table "Presence"  not found on first run... should be "presence"  .. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-11 15:32 <Velus-universe> hey Plugh 
2016-04-11 15:34 <Plugh> Morning, Velus-universe
2016-04-11 15:34 <Velus-universe> afternoon
2016-04-11 16:10 <Sarkot> Hello, can anyone tell me how do i attach objects to prims? I am trying to use a script that when the object is clicked it gives the avatar that clicks an object, but i dont really know how to do it. Does the object to give away have to be attached to the clicked prim?
2016-04-11 16:14 <osmantis> Bug #7873:04 Table "Presence"  not found on first run... should be "presence"  .. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-11 16:15 <AliciaRaven> Sarkot, the object you want to give must be in the prims inventory
2016-04-11 16:16 <AliciaRaven>  llGiveInventory(AvatarKey, ObjectName);
2016-04-11 16:26 <osmantis> Bug #7877:04 Cannot HG teleport from OSGrid running 0.9 to test grid also running dev master 0.9.  Viewer just times out after a few minutes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7877 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-04-11 16:28 <osmantis> Bug #7877:04 Cannot HG teleport from OSGrid running 0.9 to test grid also running dev master 0.9.  Viewer just times out after a few minutes. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7877 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-04-11 16:29 <Sarkot> hey Alicia, thanks, i finally found it bymyself, u have to drag the item into the prim content/inventory
2016-04-11 16:30 <osmantis> Bug #7877:04 Cannot Hypergrid teleport from OSGrid running 0.9 to test grid also running dev master 0.9.  Viewer just times out. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7877 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-04-11 16:30 <Sarkot> tho it seems you cant drag entire folders, which would be a lot more useful for what i have in mind
2016-04-11 16:32 <Sarkot> in a nutshell, since i cant find the way to create avatars without the annoying ruth appearance that doesnt let you edit it, i am creating a way to give users full appearance wardrobs so they can choose whichever they like and from there they can tweak whatever they want
2016-04-11 16:35 <Sarkot> it would be even better to create npcs with the outfit showing, instead of plain prims. that way they can just click on the npc and get the parts needed to look exactly like the npc
2016-04-11 16:42 <Velus-universe> does abuse reports work in opensim? or do you need a module for it?
2016-04-11 16:45 <Melanie_T> Velus-universe Avination viewer is based on singularity
2016-04-11 16:46 <Velus-universe> yes i noticed thanks
2016-04-11 16:46 <Melanie_T> Velus-universe: abuse reports do't wor in standard opensim
2016-04-11 16:46 <Velus-universe> is there a module for it? can it be made to work?
2016-04-11 16:46 <Melanie_T> there is a module for abuse reports in aurora but it doesn't work
2016-04-11 16:46 <Melanie_T> it's also unfixable because it's code structure is wrong
2016-04-11 16:46 <Melanie_T> but it did provide the information avination needed to write it's own
2016-04-11 16:47 <Melanie_T> the main problem with a generic module is where to send the reports
2016-04-11 16:47 <Melanie_T> apart from that, the abuse module is rather trivial
2016-04-11 16:47 <Melanie_T> smxy: opensim as it is now will never use ipv6
2016-04-11 16:48 <Melanie_T> smxy: the lindens designed the protocol for their own servers housed in a data enter
2016-04-11 16:48 <Melanie_T> data center servers will retain ipv4 servers for decades when ISPs will already have stopped giving ipv4 addresses o customers
2016-04-11 16:49 <Melanie_T> ipv4 addressing would be with ipip, packing the ipv4 info into ip6 packets for transit
2016-04-11 16:49 <Velus-universe> if the main problem is where to send abuse reports? then would it not be easy to put the address to send it in the config i.e robust.ini?
2016-04-11 16:49 <Melanie_T> the limiting factor here is the protocol not as much as the viewer
2016-04-11 16:50 <Melanie_T> the protocol has only 4 byte fields for ip addresses in the  UDP portions
2016-04-11 16:50 <Melanie_T> but much of that is moving away from UDP and onto TCP even now
2016-04-11 16:50 <Melanie_T> so IPv6 support would come "for free" once the protocol rvolves to represent addresses as strings (which CAPS does)
2016-04-11 16:51 <Melanie_T> Velus-universe: options: store in a database, email somewhere using system mail service, email to specific SMTP service, inject into problem tracking system, more...
2016-04-11 16:52 <Melanie_T> if this were linux only i would just as soon call a shell script with the mail on standard input
2016-04-11 16:52 <Melanie_T> but that doesn't work for windows
2016-04-11 16:52 <Melanie_T> but yes that isa module i may donate
2016-04-11 16:52 <Melanie_T> as time permits
2016-04-11 16:52 <Velus-universe> is the avination version open to be viewed?
2016-04-11 18:27 <Melanie_T> Velus-universe: no. The avination version writes to a database opensim doesn't have. It then processes these reports into a ticketing system (OTRS)
2016-04-11 18:28 <Melanie_T> it would need some changes to work in the context of opensim
2016-04-11 18:36 <Plugh> Simplest option is to just send messages to a configurable email address.
2016-04-11 18:39 <Melanie_T> i hesitate to make that the norm
2016-04-11 18:39 <Melanie_T> it pretty much blocks off all other avenues of handling
2016-04-11 18:40 <Melanie_T> once it's an email it can not become something else again
2016-04-11 18:48 <Velusuni> does the module have its own migrations infomation? i would like to have an option for it and go into a database, then i can sort out my own php code for the back end
2016-04-11 18:58 <Plugh> Another option is log to a database and also send to an email so an admin is alerted more quickly that a report came in.
2016-04-11 19:01 <Velusuni> or even have an extra column that will say if admin have been emailed, then run a cron job so it can be checked if it has not ben done then have a script send an email and run that every x then it would be done that way
2016-04-11 19:58 <Velusuni> i know i have asked this before but i am still alittle confused by it, what is the title for in the table UserAccounts?
2016-04-11 20:11 <osmantis> Bug #7877:04 Cannot Hypergrid teleport from OSGrid running 0.9 to test grid also running dev master 0.9.  Viewer just times out. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7877 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-04-11 20:13 <AliciaRaven> Velusuni, its just a string that is shown in the profile, for a standard avatar in SL it would be resident
2016-04-11 20:14 <Velusuni> ok so no real function? where in the profile would it be shown?
2016-04-11 20:14 <Velusuni> and would it be written in text or as some flags?
2016-04-11 20:15 <AliciaRaven> open a profile in the viewer, u cant miss it
2016-04-11 20:18 <AliciaRaven> says Account: Resident
2016-04-11 20:19 <Velusuni> yeah how do i change that field? i have put in there "somethign here" and it still says resident
2016-04-11 20:21 <AliciaRaven> might be cached
2016-04-11 20:21 <Velusuni> its been like that for about a week now and still not changed
2016-04-11 20:21 <Velusuni> i have even restarted the region and grif
2016-04-11 20:21 <Velusuni> grid
2016-04-11 20:22 <AliciaRaven> not sure then, not some thing i have ever tried to change
2016-04-11 20:23 <Velusuni> Melanie_T, do you know
2016-04-11 20:25 <AliciaRaven> try clearing the viewer cache directory, i think it has a cache of avatar info some where
2016-04-11 20:25 <Velusuni> i have done
2016-04-11 20:25 <Velusuni> acordig to the wiki it is unused
2016-04-11 20:26 <AliciaRaven> thats the answer then
2016-04-11 20:26 <AliciaRaven> no, it is used, i just checked
2016-04-11 20:26 <AliciaRaven> works for me
2016-04-11 20:27 <Velusuni> what version? and if you put somethig else in some string would it display that string?
2016-04-11 20:28 <AliciaRaven> 0.8.2
2016-04-11 20:28 <AliciaRaven> yea i changed it to a rude word to be sure on my test grid and it showed up :)
2016-04-11 20:29 <AliciaRaven> when u clear cache on a viewer, it doesnt clear ALL cache, sopme things can only be shifted by deleting folders in explorer
2016-04-11 20:29 <Velusuni> hmmm not showing on mine? could this be somethign you added? or some module helping with it
2016-04-11 20:29 <AliciaRaven> nope, not what i added, either its a cache problem or ur editing the wrong db lol
2016-04-11 20:30 <Velusuni> im just deleing the whole ciewer cache now by hand
2016-04-11 20:30 <Velusuni> i only have one db and im going to try chache now
2016-04-11 20:31 <AliciaRaven> maybe wrong avatar
2016-04-11 20:32 <Velusuni> definatelt the write one
2016-04-11 20:32 <Velusuni> :( my chrome has crashed
2016-04-11 20:37 <Velusuni> it is still saying resident on mine, i have deleted the cache, whre would all the cache details be
2016-04-11 20:39 <AliciaRaven> what viewer?
2016-04-11 20:39 <Velusuni> singularity
2016-04-11 20:39 <AliciaRaven> viewers have two cache folders, one is the name of the viewer the other is Second life
2016-04-11 20:39 <Velusuni> ok
2016-04-11 20:42 <AliciaRaven> Velusuni u have restarted the sim since changing the db right?
2016-04-11 20:42 <Velusuni> yes
2016-04-11 20:47 <Velusuni> reset them all and still showing resident
2016-04-11 20:52 <Velusuni> is there a setting in the configs?
2016-04-11 20:54 <Velusuni> this aint working at all ? 
2016-04-11 20:54 <Plugh> I've been using the feature in 0.8.0
2016-04-11 20:54 <Velusuni> is there any setting you need to set to get it to work?
2016-04-11 20:56 <Plugh> no
2016-04-11 20:56 <Velusuni> then i wonder why it wont work on mine then
2016-04-11 20:58 <Plugh> Editing wrong field, editing data for wrong user, editing wrong table (core profile vs. add-on profile module)
2016-04-11 21:00 <Velusuni> i have core profile and there is only two people on there and the table im on about is the useraccoutns table
2016-04-11 21:01 <Plugh> Perhaps its a problem with the viewer you are using.
2016-04-11 21:02 <Velusuni> maybe 
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2016-04-11 23:46 <osmantis> Bug #7877:04 Cannot Hypergrid teleport from OSGrid running 0.9 to test grid also running dev master 0.9.  Viewer just times out. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7877 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-11 23:51 <osmantis> Bug #7877:04 Cannot Hypergrid teleport from OSGrid running 0.9 to test grid also running dev master 0.9.  Viewer just times out. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7877 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-12 00:02 <osmantis> Bug #7877:04 Cannot Hypergrid teleport from OSGrid running 0.9 to test grid also running dev master 0.9.  Viewer just times out. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7877 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-04-12 00:04 <osmantis> Bug #7877:04 Cannot Hypergrid teleport from OSGrid running 0.9 to test grid also running dev master 0.9.  Viewer just times out. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7877 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-12 00:06 <osmantis> Bug #7877:04 Cannot Hypergrid teleport from OSGrid running 0.9 to test grid also running dev master 0.9.  Viewer just times out. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7877 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-12 00:10 <osmantis> Bug #7877:04 Cannot Hypergrid teleport from OSGrid running 0.9 to test grid also running dev master 0.9.  Viewer just times out. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7877 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-12 01:26 <velusunivers-sys> Plugh, you about?
2016-04-12 01:45 <velusunivers-sys> AliciaRaven, do you know about the dtl/nsl money module
2016-04-12 01:49 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-12 01:49 <AliciaRaven> i have used it long ago, all i remember is that its not very well written
2016-04-12 01:49 <velusunivers-sys> is there a better one?
2016-04-12 01:50 <AliciaRaven> melanie has one on the forge, i havnt used it but it must be better than dtl
2016-04-12 01:51 <velusunivers-sys> the one on there is not a full currency module
2016-04-12 01:51 <AliciaRaven> what do u define as "full"?
2016-04-12 01:51 <velusunivers-sys> im using the one off dtl nsl version
2016-04-12 01:51 <velusunivers-sys> you cant buy money inworld and also it wont let you connect it to a payemt system
2016-04-12 01:53 <AliciaRaven> well if u want to connect it to a payment system, stay clear of ntl, its not upto the job, dont trust it
2016-04-12 01:54 <velusunivers-sys> well which one is then? as far is i know you have the old out of date dtl version and the nsl version which is up to date?
2016-04-12 01:55 <AliciaRaven> yes, thats it for open source, none exist that are reliable
2016-04-12 01:56 <velusunivers-sys> well is there a closed source one avialable then?
2016-04-12 01:57 <AliciaRaven> not that i know of
2016-04-12 01:58 <velusunivers-sys> well im havign a bit of trouble with it since i updated the 0.9 dev version recently
2016-04-12 02:01 <velusunivers-sys> some reason the money server aint talking properly
2016-04-12 02:03 <AliciaRaven> i dont think even the latest version is recent, im suprised it worked on 0.8
2016-04-12 02:04 <velusunivers-sys> the one from nsl is
2016-04-12 02:08 <velusunivers-sys> im going to tackle that tomorrow
2016-04-12 07:23 <osmantis> Bug #7766:04 Making Hypergrid Landmarks, and buying objects from Kitely to 0.9 code does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7766 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-12 15:27 <Melanie_T> velusunivers-sys: no one will ever guarantee you that an open source money module works well eough to connect it to a real world payment system
2016-04-12 15:27 <Melanie_T> because if it does fail, they could be sued, at least in some countries, like the US
2016-04-12 15:28 <Melanie_T> also, payment systems integration is. not. fun.
2016-04-12 15:28 <Melanie_T> having integrated 7 providers or so, i know
2016-04-12 16:52 <velusunivers-sys> i know intergration is not fun and i can do intergation in to the website easyish, 
2016-04-12 16:53 <velusunivers-sys> but there seems to be a problem with them talking to each other
2016-04-12 17:11 <velusunivers-sys> who is nielball2 in the forge repo
2016-04-12 17:27 <H-H-H> i can also confirm that mono 4.4.0 is borked , i just did a system upgrade and now opensim wont boot at all as it throws silly errors regarding networking
2016-04-12 17:30 <H-H-H> Mono JIT compiler version 4.4.0 (Stable 4.4.0.40/f8474c4 Mon Mar 28 12:22:29 UTC 2016)
2016-04-12 17:30 <Melanie_T> i don't understand why one would do this race for the newest of the new
2016-04-12 17:30 <Melanie_T> i pick a version that works and theni don't even look at new ones
2016-04-12 17:30 <Melanie_T> maybe every 2 years or so i find a new version that works
2016-04-12 17:30 <Melanie_T> ad the cycle repeats
2016-04-12 17:32 <H-H-H> guess im going to downgrade mono to 
2016-04-12 17:35 <H-H-H> Mono JIT compiler version 4.2.2 (Stable 4.2.2.30/996df3c Sun Jan 31 11:58:08 UTC 2016) works fine
2016-04-12 17:50 <osmantis> Bug #7873:04 Table "Presence"  not found on first run... should be "presence"  .. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-12 17:51 <Tank_Master> newer is always more gooder!
2016-04-12 17:51 <H-H-H> hey Tank long time no see hows things ?
2016-04-12 18:02 <velusunivers-sys> Melanie_T, in the commit for the UserAccounts you forgot the column active
2016-04-12 18:03 <diva_> what column active?
2016-04-12 18:03 <velusunivers-sys> there was a migration that had a column active
2016-04-12 18:03 <diva_> that's postgres, as far as I can see
2016-04-12 18:04 <velusunivers-sys> it was also in mysql
2016-04-12 18:04 <diva_> I'm not foloowing what you are trying to say
2016-04-12 18:04 <velusunivers-sys> I AM SAYING YOU HAVE MISSED A COLUMN ON THE COMMIT YOU JUST DONE CALLED ACTIVE
2016-04-12 18:04 <diva_> I'm looking at the commit logs and I don't see anythinng related to active in mysql commits
2016-04-12 18:05 <diva_> so unless yo point me to a specific commit I don't understand what you say
2016-04-12 18:08 <diva_> this ? ded776c86b0dfda69566bdf645a94745aa91744f
2016-04-12 18:08 <velusunivers-sys> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=de109dbe92614ef63952c3bfa3e73df080d5da4d
2016-04-12 18:08 <diva_> let me check
2016-04-12 18:11 <diva_> that commit you pointed to is not the right one
2016-04-12 18:13 <velusunivers-sys> but that commit shows that it has the avctive column on it
2016-04-12 18:13 <velusunivers-sys> so if your removing the column active can i ask why?>
2016-04-12 18:16 <velusunivers-sys> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commitdiff&p=opensim&h=ded776c86b0dfda69566bdf645a94745aa91744f
2016-04-12 18:16 <velusunivers-sys> that is the sommit
2016-04-12 18:16 <velusunivers-sys> commit
2016-04-12 18:16 <velusunivers-sys> and was by you?
2016-04-12 19:22 <velusunivers-sys> out of curiousty what is the file exusses for?
2016-04-12 20:11 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-12 22:13 <osmantis> Bug #7877:04 Cannot Hypergrid teleport from OSGrid running 0.9 to test grid also running dev master 0.9 using map. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7877 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-04-12 22:34 <osmantis> Bug #7877:04 Cannot Hypergrid teleport from OSGrid running 0.9 to test grid also running dev master 0.9 using map. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7877 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-12 22:40 <osmantis> Bug #7877:04 Cannot Hypergrid teleport from OSGrid running 0.9 to test grid also running dev master 0.9 using map. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7877 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-04-12 23:32 <osmantis> Bug #7877:04 Cannot Hypergrid teleport from OSGrid running 0.9 to test grid also running dev master 0.9 using map. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7877 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-12 23:36 <osmantis> Bug #7877:04 Cannot Hypergrid teleport from OSGrid running 0.9 to test grid also running dev master 0.9 using map. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7877 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007405.
2016-04-12 23:36 <osmantis> Bug #7405:04 Unable to HGTP home to a self-hosted region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7405 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007877.
2016-04-12 23:52 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-04-13 13:55 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-13 14:58 <osmantis> Bug #7877:04 Cannot Hypergrid teleport from OSGrid running 0.9 to test grid also running dev master 0.9 using map. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7877 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-13 22:27 <smxy> Melanie_T: Is split-brain DNS known to be a working alternative to NAT Loopback (AKA Hairpin NAT)?
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2016-04-13 23:57 <Melanie_T> smxy: no
2016-04-13 23:58 <Melanie_T> the issue is that opensim uses IP adresses internally but compares them as strings
2016-04-13 23:58 <Melanie_T> if you use names, many places things will not work
2016-04-13 23:58 <Melanie_T> no one I know of has ever had success with having a region accessible from inside as well as outside without nat loopback
2016-04-13 23:59 <Melanie_T> it's because the external host name can't be dynamic
2016-04-13 23:59 <Melanie_T> if it's an IP, that is what it is
2016-04-13 23:59 <Melanie_T> and if it's a name it will be resolved only once
2016-04-14 00:10 <smxy> Melanie_T: Okay, thanks. I have a new pfsense firewall, and am just looking at different ways to make this work.
2016-04-14 00:12 <Melanie_T> there are three ways to make it work
2016-04-14 00:12 <Melanie_T> #1, NAT loopback
2016-04-14 00:12 <Melanie_T> #2, use a DMZ
2016-04-14 00:13 <Melanie_T> #3, run your own viewer on linux and do some very fabcy static routing
2016-04-14 00:13 <Melanie_T> fancy*
2016-04-14 00:17 <zadark> What is NAT loopback?
2016-04-14 00:21 <Melanie_T> it's when your router reallizes that you're accessing the outside address from the inside and bounces the packets back at the address the outside one is being forwarded to
2016-04-14 00:21 <Melanie_T> needed if you're in a home setup and need to allow outside people in while still being able to log in yourself
2016-04-14 00:21 <Melanie_T> it doesn't affect people who host with an ISP
2016-04-14 00:25 <smxy> Melanie_T: Won't a DMZ require yet another external IP? I can only get one from my ISP. :(
2016-04-14 00:27 <smxy> I know what the problem is. My linux firewall handles it wuite nicely with a single SNAT rule. pfSense is a different beast.
2016-04-14 00:27 <smxy> quite*
2016-04-14 00:29 <Melanie_T> no, a DMZ means you have TWO internal networks
2016-04-14 00:29 <Melanie_T> that changes the routing and gives you a poor man's NAT loopback
2016-04-14 00:29 <Melanie_T> again, YMMV
2016-04-14 00:32 <smxy> Now, that I have.
2016-04-14 00:33 <smxy> The problem is that not only do I need NAT loopback for my viewer, but regions and services are spread over multiple VMs, and they need it too, so that they can talk to themselves via the external IP as well.
2016-04-14 00:33 <Melanie_T> no
2016-04-14 00:33 <Melanie_T> services never need to use the external IP
2016-04-14 00:34 <Melanie_T> the "external IP" is a bullshit MISfeature of the LL protocol
2016-04-14 00:34 <Melanie_T> it only applies to viewers
2016-04-14 00:34 <smxy> But when a region on one server wants to send you to a region on another server, they go through the external IP.
2016-04-14 00:35 <smxy> No?
2016-04-14 00:35 <Melanie_T> no
2016-04-14 00:35 <Melanie_T> they direct the VIEWER to talk to the external IP
2016-04-14 00:35 <Melanie_T> hmmm
2016-04-14 00:35 <Melanie_T> some of the regiont o region comms may also use it
2016-04-14 00:35 <Melanie_T> but central services on robust never do
2016-04-14 00:36 <Melanie_T> bottom line, you really need loopback
2016-04-14 00:37 <smxy> That's what I thought.
2016-04-14 00:37 <smxy> Or make all my regions appear as if they're on oe server somehow.
2016-04-14 00:38 <smxy> one*
2016-04-14 00:44 <Melanie_T> nope that doesn't work that way either
2016-04-14 00:44 <Melanie_T> running a protocol that is designed to be run from a data center from a home location is difficult
2016-04-14 00:45 <Melanie_T> the protocol was designed on the basis of every sim server having a real public ipv4
2016-04-14 01:04 <smxy> Melanie_T: I just need o make it work for the servers to talk to each other. I have a VPN service I use that makes me always appear to come from outside.
2016-04-14 01:04 <smxy> I'll figure it out. :)
2016-04-14 03:58 <smxy> Melanie_T: I supposedly have a solution for pfsense. My iptables firewall (that I'm trying to replace) handles it this way: $IPTABLES -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1.40 -s 192.168.40.0/24 -j SNAT --to-source $wanip and the founder if the pfsense project said this should do the same, for that: nat on $WAN from 192.168.40.0/24 to 192.168.40.0/24 -> My_WAN_IP/32 port 1024:65535
2016-04-14 03:59 <smxy> When I get around to testing it, if it works, I'll add it to the NAT page in the wiki.
2016-04-15 13:59 <osmantis> Bug #7879:04 minor tweak - OpenSimDefaults.ini - Avatar walk-up-stairs parameters - remove "f", not supported... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7879 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2016-04-16 00:40 <velusuni> is there a way to put the robust and opensim into production mode (i.e just give warning and errors instaed of all the loggin in and such)
2016-04-16 00:40 <smxy> Change the debug level?
2016-04-16 00:46 <velusuni> how
2016-04-16 00:48 <AliciaRaven> velusuni see http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Logging
2016-04-16 00:48 <AliciaRaven> <level value="DEBUG" /> change to <level value="INFO" />
2016-04-16 17:31 <Velus_> H-H-H you there
2016-04-17 01:44 <velusuni> what is light tax and land tax and group tax
2016-04-17 01:44 <velusuni> and dwell bonus
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2016-04-17 09:09 <osmantis> Bug #7881:04 Updated ODE dylib for OS X 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7881 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-04-17 09:10 <osmantis> Bug #7881:04 Updated ODE dylib for OS X 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7881 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-04-17 15:47 <osmantis> Bug #7881:04 Updated ODE dylib for OS X 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7881 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-04-17 15:49 <djphil_> ping Melanie_T
2016-04-17 15:50 <djphil_> Hello, have you progressed with the php part of OpenSurrency ?
2016-04-17 15:54 <Plugh> What need(s/ed) to be done with the PHP side of it?
2016-04-17 15:55 <djphil_> The php base to get it work
2016-04-17 15:56 <djphil_> Mel said she would do it (she put it in his todo list)
2016-04-17 15:56 <Plugh> Ah, I see. There is no PHP files for it.
2016-04-17 15:57 <djphil_> yeap, right!
2016-04-17 15:57 <Plugh> I can see that coming out after a README or LICENCE file is added basically saying "you paid your money, you take your chances with this module".  ;)
2016-04-17 16:00 <djphil_> what does it mean?
2016-04-17 16:02 <Plugh> In other words, adding a big disclaimer that the person(s) who wrote the code take no responsibility as to the suitability of the code as a usable module for currency related transactions.
2016-04-17 16:03 <djphil_> ok
2016-04-17 16:04 <djphil_> if you read the log here (at least 1 month back), she said she'll do php part, she put it to do in the todo list.
2016-04-17 16:05 <djphil_> As currently provided it does not work, it may just start with opensim, this is not really helpful
2016-04-17 16:06 <djphil_> Furthermore she said "that's exactly what you want" dj !
2016-04-17 16:06 <djphil_> ... a fake money system
2016-04-17 16:08 <djphil_> That's right, I would like this for a long time :)
2016-04-17 16:08 <djphil_> (But complete and functioning ...)
2016-04-17 16:12 <Plugh> It may still need that disclaimer or some people may see it as a working money module and try and use it for real world currency whether it is suited for that purpose or not.
2016-04-17 16:12 <Plugh> If just the PHP side is needed it wouldn't be hard for someone who knows PHP to add the missing part.
2016-04-17 16:12 <Plugh> bbl. My lunch is ready.
2016-04-17 16:13 <djphil_> Maybee ...
2016-04-17 16:14 <djphil_> She said she will do it (she put on todo list)
2016-04-17 16:15 <djphil_> So i wait ...
2016-04-17 16:31 <Melanie_T> the php is essentially the php from WiRedux
2016-04-17 16:31 <Melanie_T> but it needs some minor changes to work standalone
2016-04-17 16:31 <Melanie_T> i did it once before but lost those files
2016-04-17 16:32 <Melanie_T> for a while they were available on the wiki
2016-04-17 16:32 <Melanie_T> at some point they dropped out of sight
2016-04-17 16:32 <Melanie_T> so i will have to do that again
2016-04-17 16:32 <Melanie_T> sorry djphil_  but it's low priority work for me, i will do it when i find a spot of spare time
2016-04-17 16:32 <djphil_> yes, you allraidy said this to me
2016-04-17 16:33 <djphil_> all ready*
2016-04-17 16:33 <djphil_> ty Mel :)
2016-04-17 16:33 <djphil_> I will continue to wait
2016-04-17 16:33 <djphil_> no choice ^^
2016-04-17 16:34 <djphil_> hope it coming soon !
2016-04-17 16:55 <Plugh> Melanie_T: Any way to check the wiki history to find the file, or looking in archive.org (but that would need an idea of the URL of the page).
2016-04-17 21:11 <velus> Melanie_T, you about still?
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2016-04-18 00:15 <velus> is voice morphing posible on opensim?
2016-04-18 03:08 <Melanie_T> velus: voice morphing is a paid service of vivox, inc.
2016-04-18 03:09 <Melanie_T> you need to have a contract with them for provisin of a dedicated voice system
2016-04-18 03:09 <Melanie_T> and then you have to pay them for usage of these resources
2016-04-18 03:09 <Melanie_T> so an hour/channel of morphing costs x
2016-04-18 03:09 <Melanie_T> you have y customers on 8 hours/day each
2016-04-18 03:09 <Melanie_T> so y/3 is your channel/hours
2016-04-18 03:10 <Melanie_T> well, y / 3 * 12
2016-04-18 03:10 <Melanie_T> erm
2016-04-18 03:10 <Melanie_T> 24
2016-04-18 03:10 <Melanie_T> you have to charge your customers an amount that will allow you to pay for (and profit on) the voice morphing
2016-04-18 03:11 <Melanie_T> voice morphing control is not implemented int he opensim voice module but could be added
2016-04-18 03:11 <Melanie_T> by a programmer who has the needed knowledge and has signed a NDA with vivow
2016-04-18 03:11 <Melanie_T> vivox
2016-04-18 03:24 <Plugh> What is the point of voice morphing?
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2016-04-19 16:16 <osmantis> Bug #7883:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7883 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-19 17:20 <Plugh> Has anyone noticed issues with region crossing in master/0.9 even when the same versions of OS are being used?
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2016-04-20 01:11 <osmantis> Bug #7884:04 Impossibility to push avatar with ubode engine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7884 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-04-20 08:19 <djphil_> Hello, I see a problem with my simulator v0.8.2.1 I just installed. I want to use the Get_Texture service.
2016-04-20 08:19 <djphil_> It works well when the first query, I see my picture to be displayed in the browser but I have an alert console (Could not parse requested asset-id d0cbb4c6-792f 43ae-8581-a33436ecc179-jpeg).
2016-04-20 08:19 <djphil_> Now I raffraichi page and there I can not see my image and ja a red alert more (Decoded picture with unhandled number of components: 0)
2016-04-20 08:19 <djphil_> From now on, I never seem to get the image in the browser. So I tried to upload once again my image and test Get_Texture obtained with the new UUID and there, same problem, I see my image the first time and then never again ... and always the same message in console.
2016-04-20 08:19 <djphil_> Do you have an idea to solve this problem?
2016-04-20 08:49 <osmantis> Bug #7885:04 [ASSET_SERVICE] Get_Texture service corrupted assets texture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7885 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-04-20 15:16 <Melanie_> Plugh: regarding your old question about voice morphing:
2016-04-20 15:16 <Melanie_> LL advertised it as a feature for roleplay (speka like a drakon, anyone?)
2016-04-20 15:17 <Melanie_> but in fact mst people used it to pitch-shift from male to female range
2016-04-20 15:17 <Plugh> Ah, ok. I've seen it (in preferences?) but didn't know what was its intended purpose.
2016-04-20 15:17 <Melanie_> it's a vivox paid service and only supported in SL
2016-04-20 15:18 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-04-20 21:39 <velus> is there comandline level reseting the passowerd?
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2016-04-20 21:52 <AliciaRaven> velus, type help users in the robust console and it will tell u the comand to type
2016-04-20 22:26 <smxy> Melanie_: The pfSense vendor and I got Nat Loopback working with it. No more iptables firewaal/router. :)
2016-04-20 22:26 <smxy> firewall*
2016-04-20 23:18 <osmantis> Bug #7886:04 Could not retrieve asset for attaching to avatar when not in home region. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7886 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-04-21 13:37 <Sarkot> Hello, does anyone know why WIFI module makes the [AgentPreferencesService] not to load when using StorageProvider = "Diva.Data.MySQL.dll" insteado of StorageProvider = "Opensim.Data.MySQL.dll"?
2016-04-21 13:38 <Sarkot> And, is the AgentPreferencesService important? Can a Robust Grid run without it?
2016-04-21 14:50 <osmantis> Bug #7883:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7883 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-21 16:26 <velus>  hello all where in the code will i find the group powers info?
2016-04-21 16:41 <osmantis> Bug #7883:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7883 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-21 18:49 <Plugh> Is llMoveToTarget() not working yet in BulletSim physics engine?
2016-04-21 18:50 <AliciaRaven> i think i used it before, but couldnt get it to work very well so gave up, was a while back now tho so i cant remember the details
2016-04-21 18:52 <Plugh> yea, I'm not getting any movement.
2016-04-21 18:53 <Plugh> It will be nice when we have a fully working physics engine.
2016-04-21 18:53 <AliciaRaven> i pretty sure it was moving for me, just not getting to the target, stopping short so making the script not do the job
2016-04-21 18:56 <Plugh> ok. I'll have to try it again in master. 
2016-04-21 18:58 <AliciaRaven> Plugh its working for me now, but i have to set the prim physical and also the material to glass to reduce friction
2016-04-21 18:58 <AliciaRaven> on 0.8 im trying
2016-04-21 18:59 <Plugh> D'oh! I had to set the physical option.
2016-04-21 19:00 <AliciaRaven> lol also i had it set to move on touch, but changing the script after makes it move to the target, i think the move isnt getting reset on script restarts
2016-04-21 19:04 <Melanie_> AliciaRaven: The move needs to be stopped explicitly with llStopMoveToTarget
2016-04-21 19:05 <Melanie_> it's a property of the prim in opensim, not a property of the script, so a script reset will not affect it
2016-04-21 19:05 <Plugh> Its a little jerky but it seems to be doing a move to target then back to starting point and repeating. 
2016-04-21 19:05 <Plugh> That's actually what I want but just wish it was smoother movement.
2016-04-21 19:06 <AliciaRaven> ah ok Melanie_ thanks
2016-04-21 19:42 <osmantis> Bug #7883:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7883 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-21 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #7883:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7883 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-21 21:42 <osmantis> Bug #7883:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7883 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-21 22:03 <osmantis> Bug #7883:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7883 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-04-21 23:32 <osmantis> Bug #7883:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7883 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-22 00:17 <osmantis> Bug #7883:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7883 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-22 00:39 <osmantis> Bug #7883:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7883 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-22 01:00 <osmantis> Bug #7883:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7883 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-22 01:32 <osmantis> Bug #7883:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7883 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-22 02:43 <AliciaRaven2> how many avatar position updates does the viewer send per second?
2016-04-22 02:59 <djphil> Projet Bento have 79 new bones and 13 attachments points AliciaRaven2
2016-04-22 03:06 <AliciaRaven2> djphil not what i was meaning, i mean how many times does the viewer tell the server where in the sim the avatar is
2016-04-22 03:07 <djphil> ha ok :)
2016-04-22 03:33 <LiruCookies> Sec, I'll have a look
2016-04-22 03:34 <AliciaRaven2> thanks :)
2016-04-22 03:34 <LiruCookies> Do you know the name of the packet? I seem to have forgotten
2016-04-22 03:35 <AliciaRaven2> no, not sure of that either
2016-04-22 03:50 <LiruCookies> Found it, I think
2016-04-22 03:58 <LiruCookies> If you refer to AgentUpdate's After a local teleport, after process agent movement complete (prolly another type of teleport), whenever flags changed that we send during this packet, and ten times per second normally.
2016-04-22 03:59 <LiruCookies> So to answer your question, on average 10 times per second.
2016-04-22 04:00 <LiruCookies> (RLV unsit command also issues another one)
2016-04-22 04:00 <AliciaRaven2> k thanks LiruCookies :) does it reduce atall if the avatar is not moving?
2016-04-22 04:00 <LiruCookies> 10 per second is the base amount.
2016-04-22 04:01 <LiruCookies> Lemme check, again though
2016-04-22 04:01 <LiruCookies>  if (flags_changed || (agent_update_time > (1.0f / (F32)AGENT_UPDATES_PER_SECOND)))
2016-04-22 04:02 <LiruCookies> agent_update_time is based on the elasped seconds of a time that's static to that function, reset upon each pass of that if.
2016-04-22 04:02 <LiruCookies> So if flags change, we're still not going to exceed 10 per second. But if we teleport or we're called from rlv or some other thing, we'll send another.
2016-04-22 04:03 <LiruCookies> But usually 10 per second.
2016-04-22 04:03 <LiruCookies> Well, we might slightly exceed it, but the pace will be kept ^^;
2016-04-22 04:03 <AliciaRaven2> i remember diva found a bug where it should limit updates if the avatar isnt moving
2016-04-22 04:04 <AliciaRaven2> cant find the link to that report tho
2016-04-22 04:05 <AliciaRaven2> ah found it
2016-04-22 04:05 <AliciaRaven2> https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-7816
2016-04-22 04:05 <AliciaRaven2> fixed now
2016-04-22 15:22 <velus> `does the user need to be logged in to load iars?
2016-04-22 15:57 <velus> im having problems removing the defulkt hair from the avatar
2016-04-22 15:59 <Melanie_> yes they have to be logged in
2016-04-22 15:59 <Melanie_> the password of the avatar is also required on the console as well
2016-04-22 15:59 <Melanie_> you can't remove the default hair
2016-04-22 15:59 <Melanie_> hair is a nonremoveable item
2016-04-22 15:59 <Melanie_> you have to replace it witha bald head setting
2016-04-22 16:00 <Melanie_> watch out, the "hair" item also conrols eyebrow shape so it's far from universal
2016-04-22 16:05 <Plugh> hm... I thought you just needed the password of the avatar account in order to load an iar
2016-04-22 16:07 <AliciaRaven> i thought the same thing, i load them without being in world
2016-04-22 16:07 <Plugh> I think I've done the same but I have rarely loaded IAR files.
2016-04-22 16:29 <osmantis> Bug #7883:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7883 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-22 17:49 <colosi> Hey folks, think I found a thread safety bug in OpenSim and I’m wondering if anyone can help determine a workaround.  Anyone interested?  Anyone have experience with the SimulatorFeaturesHelper?
2016-04-22 17:54 <Melanie_> colosi: please don't ask to ask. just tell us what you found. we may ask you to file a mantis
2016-04-22 18:08 <colosi> Awesome.  Wasn’t sure if you wanted me to dump a bunch of info in the channel or not.  Thanks Melanie.
2016-04-22 18:08 <Melanie_> we're here to help
2016-04-22 18:08 <Melanie_> if youhave something you can type out, please do so
2016-04-22 18:08 <Melanie_> if it's a loger listing, say more than 10 lines of log, etc. please pastebin it and then paste the link here
2016-04-22 18:09 <colosi> I’m going to type out (or paste in) an explanation.
2016-04-22 18:11 <colosi> I’m producing a money module for OpenSim.  In order to get the currency symbol and buy-currency-uri to update when a user teleports via hypergrid or simply travels from a region where our module is disabled to one where it is enabled, Cinder informed us that we should subscribe to the OnSimulatorFeaturesRequest event and append our info to the “OpenSimExtras” map.  Further, she informed us that our OnSimulatorFeaturesRequest function should make 
2016-04-22 18:11 <colosi> of the SimulatorFeaturesHelper.ShouldSend(AgentID) function to determine whether we should add our data or not.
2016-04-22 18:12 <colosi> We had a bug reported that when our module is enabled, mesh objects are not being rendered.
2016-04-22 18:13 <colosi> We dug in and discovered the following as the underlying cause:  While a single OnSimulatorFeaturesRequest trigger runs on a single thread, and to the best of my knowledge, sequentially, multiple calls to this event at the same time will run in parallel on separate threads.  The SimulatorFeaturesHelper class uses a static cache (AgentID: (RegionID: bool)) which every thread hits.  When multiple threads attempt to access this at the same time (most like
2016-04-22 18:13 <colosi> when two threads attempt to add to it at the same time), this causes delays in processing of the event, and I believe infinite loops.
2016-04-22 18:14 <colosi> Occassionally we get a crash specifically at line 134 in SFH  — rsendlist.Add(rsend);
2016-04-22 18:15 <colosi> There are a few things that I don’t know yet:  I assume the extra events are triggered by the viewer making extra requests, not by the server.  When there are mesh objects, there are a lot more requests made.  I'm not sure why this is the case.  When some of these events are delayed (even if some complete successfully) no mesh objects are rendered, and I don't know why that is.
2016-04-22 18:16 <colosi> So, I am stuck in a bit of a problem of determining how to work around this, as it appears that I cannot use the SimulatorFeaturesHelper.ShouldSend() func.
2016-04-22 18:17 <colosi> I’ve tried locking around my module’s access to ShouldSend, but this does not fix the issue.  I’m not sure why my module made this bug appear, and why it doesn’t occur otherwise.  Perhaps only one other module is using ShouldSend and it is a conflict between the two.  If I remove my use of ShouldSend, then mesh objects display properly.
2016-04-22 18:18 <colosi> If we choose to just not make a call to ShouldSend, then we'd need to understand how the viewer uses information returned by a region which is not the active region (where the agent is).  If our module is disabled on a region, we already ignore this event on that region.  If a user is on an region with our module enabled, and a call to another enabled region is processed, the currency symbol would be the same, but the currency-buy-uri may be different.
2016-04-22 18:18 <colosi> Would this overwrite the value?  Further, if a user is on a region where our module is disabled and a call comes in to trigger this event on a neighboring region where we are enabled, will our response overwrite the values for the agent, or will the viewer ignore them?
2016-04-22 18:19 <colosi> We could manually grab the scene presence and check to see fi the agent IsChild(); However, ShouldSend does a lot of waiting in case a call comes in while an agent is in transit, so if we moved to this method, we'd likely ignore some calls to this event which we should actually process, and most importantly, we may miss the one when a user actually enters the region (if the event is called before MakeRootAgent completes).
2016-04-22 18:20 <colosi> That about sums up the issue.  I can provide some log info as well.
2016-04-22 18:21 <colosi> We tend to see a number of lines like this:  18:51:19 - [LOGHTTP]: Slow handling of 33 GET /CAPS/9830684a-9ab1-46a9-990a-74b23da91f8b SimulatorFeatures 4a9c0fc4-00da-4b6f-812d-db21f241a639 from 10.7.105.6:64885 took 10840ms
2016-04-22 18:22 <colosi> Sometimes when shutting down, we see an error message like this: 19:26:27 - [WATCHDOG]: Timeout detected for thread "MapBlockSendThread (NormalTown)". ThreadState=Stopped. Last tick was 552281ms ago.
2016-04-22 18:23 <colosi> And occassionally we see crashes like this:  2016-04-21 06:34:11,405 ERROR (Threadpool worker) - OpenSim.Framework.Servers.HttpServer.BaseHttpServer [BASE HTTP SERVER]: HandleRequest() threw exception 
2016-04-22 18:23 <colosi> System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Index was outside the bounds of the array.
2016-04-22 18:23 <colosi>   at System.Collections.Generic.List`1[T].Add (System.Collections.Generic.T item) <0x4699e0e0 + 0x0004f> in <filename unknown>:0 
2016-04-22 18:23 <colosi>   at OpenSim.Region.OptionalModules.ViewerSupport.SimulatorFeaturesHelper.ShouldSend (UUID agentID) <0x46920520 + 0x003d6> in <filename unknown>:0 
2016-04-22 18:23 <colosi>   at Gloebit.GloebitMoneyModule.GloebitMoneyModule+<RegionLoaded>c__AnonStorey0.<>m__0 (UUID agentID, OpenMetaverse.StructuredData.OSDMap& features) <0x469202e0 + 0x0003b> in <filename unknown>:0 
2016-04-22 18:23 <colosi>   at (wrapper delegate-invoke) <Module>:invoke_void_UUID_OSDMap& (OpenMetaverse.UUID,OpenMetaverse.StructuredData.OSDMap&)
2016-04-22 18:23 <colosi>   at OpenSim.Region.ClientStack.Linden.SimulatorFeaturesModule.HandleSimulatorFeaturesRequest (System.Collections.Hashtable mDhttpMethod, UUID agentID) <0x4691fa40 + 0x001d9> in <filename unknown>:0 
2016-04-22 18:23 <colosi>   at OpenSim.Region.ClientStack.Linden.SimulatorFeaturesModule+<RegisterCaps>c__AnonStorey4.<>m__7 (System.Collections.Hashtable x) <0x4691f9e0 + 0x0003f> in <filename unknown>:0 
2016-04-22 18:23 <colosi>   at OpenSim.Framework.Servers.HttpServer.RestHTTPHandler.Handle (System.String path, System.Collections.Hashtable request) <0x4691f960 + 0x00063> in <filename unknown>:0 
2016-04-22 18:23 <colosi>   at OpenSim.Framework.Servers.HttpServer.BaseHttpServer.HandleRequest (OpenSim.Framework.Servers.HttpServer.OSHttpRequest request, OpenSim.Framework.Servers.HttpServer.OSHttpResponse response) <0x46851730 + 0x009b8> in <filename unknown>:0 
2016-04-22 18:24 <velus> colosi, not being funny but could this not of been put in a pastebin instaed of flooding the channel
2016-04-22 18:30 <osmantis> Bug #7887:04 OpenSim.Data.MySQL.MySqlFramework Incorrect datetime value 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7887 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-04-22 18:32 <Plugh> Looks like this is for that new Gloebits currency system.
2016-04-22 18:33 <colosi> Yes it is Plugh.  One of our beta testing grids reported the issue with mesh objects.
2016-04-22 18:34 <Plugh> Seems odd mesh objects would be affected but I suspect you are hooking in to something that isn't hooked by a lot of money modules.
2016-04-22 18:35 <Plugh> Possibly heading in to uncharted waters.
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2016-04-22 18:37 <Plugh> colosi: Which version of OS are you using when you get the crash in line 134 of SFH?
2016-04-22 18:39 <colosi> I believe that the OpenSimExtras (or another section that is returned from the OnSimulatorFeaturesRequest) tells the region how to display mesh objects, though I haven’t dug into that.
2016-04-22 18:40 <colosi> There may aslo be some fields requested by the maptile system in determing whether to use mesh objects in producing the tiles.  I’m guessin gthis is why the Watchdog warning of a timeout for the “mapBlockSendThread” occurs.
2016-04-22 18:42 <colosi> I’m running off master which it appears I last updated on Dec 5th. — git commit 7d8b783d31b3eeab70ce6f29228a0c842cf4c909
2016-04-22 18:42 <Plugh> Quite possible if the grid was configured to include prims on maptfiles.
2016-04-22 18:42 <colosi> The grid which reported the issue is running off of 0.8.2.1 release — git commit 497f575b9ba041f271ab2738344d016e5dad0c3e
2016-04-22 18:44 <colosi> I actually don’t think I’ve achieved the crash on my own machine/grid.  The crash was achieved on 0.8.2.1 release
2016-04-22 19:23 <colosi> Plugh, what about including prims on maptiles might cause this?  How could I check and try enabling/disabling this?
2016-04-22 19:30 <Plugh> I don't know if prims on maptiles would cause the problem. I was just making the comment that if you have the grid set to show prims on maptiles it would involve fetching mesh objects as well as regular prims.
2016-04-22 19:30 <Plugh> You can disable the use of prims on maptiles. It is a setting in OpenSim.ini
2016-04-22 19:36 <Plugh> colosi: I think you should mantis the problem. Attach crash report and log exracts as attachments.
2016-04-22 19:55 <colosi> Suggestion for what category to put it in Plugh?  Grid-Other Service; Region-Specific OpenSim Module?
2016-04-22 19:57 <Plugh> That's a good question.
2016-04-22 19:57 <Plugh> Not sure if any of those categories seem right.
2016-04-22 19:57 <colosi> choosing region for now, since the event is a region level event
2016-04-22 19:57 <Plugh> You could try Other Service. The category for the report can always be changed later.
2016-04-22 20:04 <Plugh> bbl. I have some things I need to do.
2016-04-22 20:18 <osmantis> Bug #7888:04 Mesh objects not rendering due to thread safety issue in SimulatorFeaturesHelper.ShouldSend(AgentID) func 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7888 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-04-22 20:18 <colosi> just submitted.
2016-04-22 20:25 <colosi> lunchtime bbl
2016-04-22 20:45 <osmantis> Bug #7883:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7883 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-04-22 20:49 <osmantis> Bug #7883:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7883 ): has been CLOSED
2016-04-22 20:59 <osmantis> Bug #7887:04 OpenSim.Data.MySQL.MySqlFramework Incorrect datetime value 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7887 ): has been set as DUPLICATE OF issue 0007848.
2016-04-22 20:59 <osmantis> Bug #7848:04 Incorrect datetime value for column 'TMStamp' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7848 ): The issue 0007887 has been set as DUPLICATE OF the following issue.
2016-04-22 22:13 <colosi> I have discovered something which appears idiotic to me in regards to the OnSimulatorFeaturesRequest event
2016-04-22 22:18 <colosi> You register for this event by retrieving the ISimulatorFeaturesModule via the scene.  I had assumed (wrongly) that like the client and region events, there was actually a separate event list per scene.  However, I have discovered that there is a single event list.  If you have a module enabled on 5 regions on a sim and this event is triggered, then that event will be called 5 times sequentially for this one call.  
2016-04-22 22:23 <velus> Plugh, can i ask a quick question? if i have a few regions next to each other and i want to build say a train track that goes through them all would i be able to create an object that will go between the regions i.e starts on one region and ends on the next region
2016-04-22 22:24 <colosi> That is a good question velus, and I don’t know the answer, but I doubt it.
2016-04-22 22:25 <velus> i think you can but not to sure
2016-04-22 22:27 <smxy> In current Dev code, you may be able to. Prior to that, doubtful.
2016-04-22 22:29 <velus> i always thought you could do it? specially with the muliyple regions, i know now you can have var regions 
2016-04-22 22:29 <smxy> Var regions are not "multiple" regions. They are simply a single big region.
2016-04-22 22:30 <smxy> And if you thought you could always do it, why did you ask?
2016-04-22 22:31 <smxy> Vehicles cannot cross borders prior to the current dev code, I believe. If it wasn't a vehicle, but just a scripted object, then I don't know, maybe you can.
2016-04-22 22:31 <smxy> I never tried.
2016-04-22 22:33 <velus> i asked because i wasnt sure and yes i know var regions are not multple regiosn i never said they was, i said i thought you could do it with multiple regions, (there is a comma there so you know this aint the same breath but still in the sme sentence) i know you can have var regions
2016-04-22 22:36 <colosi> Back to OnSimulatorFeaturesRequest — I’m pretty sure that the sim registers a different cap url for each region and that the viewer calls the separate cap url when it wants the features for a spcific region, but that the ISimulatorFeaturesModule ignores which region this event arrived for and calls all subscribed delegates.
2016-04-22 23:46 <colosi> Okay, I got mesh objects to display again by chaning my usage of OnSimulatorFeaturesRequest.  Unfortunately, the SimulatorFeaturesModule has a big design flaw.  It looks like someone couldn’t decide whether this was region specific, or process specific.
2016-04-22 23:46 <colosi> It has an m_scene variable and is retrieved from a scene, but when a region is added, that m_scene variable is just overwritten with the latest added scene.
2016-04-22 23:49 <Plugh> colosi: What file and line?
2016-04-22 23:50 <colosi> More importantly, it registers a CAP for each region and the viewer requests the CAPS for a specific region, but the OnSimulatorFeaturesRequest event does not supply the region the CAPS request is for.  It just drops it as far as I can tell
2016-04-22 23:50 <colosi> SimulatorFeaturesModule.cs
2016-04-22 23:51 <Plugh> Sounds like some bad code. It is supposed to be a shared module.
2016-04-22 23:52 <colosi> It is an ISharedRegionModule and ISimulatorFeaturesModule
2016-04-22 23:52 <colosi> And it should either be a non-shared module, or it should supply the scene/regionID that the CAPS call is for.
2016-04-22 23:53 <colosi> It could supply the UUID of the region without modifying the interface as it passes a OSDMap by reference.  It could insert the regionID into that map and consumers of the event could pull it out of the map.
2016-04-22 23:55 <Plugh> Some other region modules have a list of scenes.
2016-04-22 23:56 <Plugh> Make that a dictionary.
2016-04-22 23:57 <colosi> This one registers a unique CAPS url for each scene.  It just doesn’t store the mapping and triggers the same event regardless of which CAPS url the call comes in on.
2016-04-22 23:57 <Plugh> colosi: Add the information to the mantis. I agree with you that something isn't right about that module.
2016-04-22 23:57 <colosi> I can modify it on my end, but that won’t fix it for anyone else.
2016-04-22 23:58 <Plugh> If you do modify it and fix the problem you can add the patch to the mantis.
2016-04-23 00:01 <colosi> Okay, I may look to do that, though I still need to figure out a workaround for all the people running on old versions of OpenSim.
2016-04-23 00:05 <H-H-H> upgrade theres an option lol
2016-04-23 00:06 <colosi> Thanks H-H-H.  Unfortunately, I’m building a module which I would like usable by as broad a section of grids as possible, and I know that most are slow to upgrade.
2016-04-23 00:06 <smxy> What's the module?
2016-04-23 00:07 <Plugh> colosi: that is a problem.
2016-04-23 00:08 <smxy> And you do know that modules are distibuted differently than they used to be? Diva changed all that. So you may need multiple versions of it in any case, to support various OpenSim versions.
2016-04-23 00:09 <H-H-H> i usually only dev my modules against head or at very least latest release
2016-04-23 00:09 <Plugh> smxy: Fortunately the changes in module code are fairly minor (most times).
2016-04-23 00:10 <smxy> They are mono add-ins now. That's totally different from how modules used to be handled.
2016-04-23 00:10 <colosi> smxy: I may or may not depending on what you mean.  Can you point me toward some docs?
2016-04-23 00:11 <H-H-H> only a minor change in the modules code though (i recently upgraded some of my older modules)
2016-04-23 00:11 <colosi> Yes, we are a mono add-in
2016-04-23 00:11 <smxy> Diva put something about it in the wiki, I think.
2016-04-23 00:11 <Plugh> smxy: I tend to forget when the change occured that requires the extra assembly statements.
2016-04-23 00:11 <smxy> Okay, well, depending on how old of an OpenSim version you want to support, that may not work for everyone.
2016-04-23 00:12 <smxy> I don't recall either. Just saying it's something he needs to take into account, if he wants to support obsolete code. :)
2016-04-23 00:13 <Plugh> There should be little need to support anything before 0.8 I would think.
2016-04-23 00:21 <colosi> We are currently running on 9.0, 8.2, 8.1 and 8.0 (though 8.0 required a few compatibility tweaks) and all 8.0 beta testers have decided to upgrade to 8.2.
2016-04-23 00:21 <velus>  i think it was in 0.8 that the mono add-ins was added
2016-04-23 00:22 <colosi> The features I’m working on are nice, but not required, so as long as we implement this in a way that doesn’t break other things (like mesh rendering) then it’s okay if older OS versions don’t have these supplemental features.
2016-04-23 00:22 <smxy> What's the module do?
2016-04-23 00:24 <colosi> Gloebit Money Module
2016-04-23 00:24 <colosi> digital currency service
2016-04-23 00:24 <colosi> works across the hypergrid.  Very simple to enable.
2016-04-23 00:24 <smxy> Hmm. I logged into my grid the other day and there was a message from that. I'd never heard of it. I deleted it.
2016-04-23 00:24 <colosi> http://dev.gloebit.com/opensim/
2016-04-23 00:25 <smxy> Was wondering how it got to me on my grid even.
2016-04-23 00:25 <colosi> We do deliver some messages to you when you visit a grid which has it enabled.  It’s possible the message was delayed.  I don’t love sending messages, but there isn’t a better way to integrate and properly inform users.
2016-04-23 00:26 <smxy> Ah, you SPAM. :)
2016-04-23 00:28 <colosi> Sadly, we send more messages than I’d like.  But, OpenSim (being designed like SL) was not designed to have multiple currencies, so we need to do some tricky things to handle cases where we are not enabled across a whole grid, or where users teleport between grids with different currencies.
2016-04-23 00:28 <colosi> Anyway, sorry for unexpected messages.
2016-04-23 00:28 <smxy> It's fine. Now I know what it was about. :) I'll read your link later. Thanks. :)
2016-04-23 00:31 <colosi> You’re welcome
2016-04-23 12:44 <Timecop> hello who can tell me whare i can get OpenSim 0.9.0.0 Dev
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2016-04-23 19:58 <osmantis> Bug #7889:04 Fix llAttachToAvatarTemp attached attachments not being able to be detached from pie menues on client. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7889 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
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2016-04-24 11:26 <osmantis> Bug #7888:04 Mesh objects not rendering due to thread safety issue in SimulatorFeaturesHelper.ShouldSend(AgentID) func 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7888 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-24 13:40 <osmantis> Bug #6659:04 Upload -> Set Default Permissions does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6659 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-24 14:40 <osmantis> Bug #6659:04 Upload -> Set Default Permissions does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6659 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-04-24 14:50 <osmantis> Bug #6659:04 Upload -> Set Default Permissions does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6659 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-24 14:55 <osmantis> Bug #6659:04 Upload -> Set Default Permissions does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6659 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-24 14:57 <osmantis> Bug #7889:04 Fix llAttachToAvatarTemp attached attachments not being able to be detached from pie menues on client. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7889 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-24 14:59 <osmantis> Bug #6659:04 Upload -> Set Default Permissions does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6659 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-24 15:20 <osmantis> Bug #7889:04 Fix llAttachToAvatarTemp attached attachments not being able to be detached from pie menues on client. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7889 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-24 16:08 <JohnnyQ> hey Devs, I am working on getting Wifi set up. And so far so good. I am at the point where I should be able to pull up web pages, but 
2016-04-24 16:08 <JohnnyQ> oh, hey, it's Diva
2016-04-24 16:08 <JohnnyQ> diva_
2016-04-24 16:08 <JohnnyQ> at your convenience.
2016-04-24 16:12 <Melanie_> JohnnyQ: she may not be on this early
2016-04-24 16:12 <Melanie_> in this channel you can't expect dirct conversation
2016-04-24 16:12 <Melanie_> it's best to post your question and then idle here
2016-04-24 16:12 <Melanie_> an answer will likely be forthcoming but can be days later
2016-04-24 16:13 <Melanie_> youcan't ever expect any of us to actually be here despite us being logged in
2016-04-24 16:13 <JohnnyQ> If course. I am logged in via my VPS right now. Trying to get a robust HG. and I am running into problems. I have missed office hours all week. :(
2016-04-24 16:14 <JohnnyQ> so I will be patient
2016-04-24 16:16 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: You are using the WiFi version of OpenSim or you are adding WiFi support to standard OpenSim setup?
2016-04-24 16:18 <JohnnyQ> yes. I am using the latest Stable of both. 0.8.2.1
2016-04-24 16:21 <Plugh> How did I know I was going to get a "yes" answer to an "Is it a or b?" question?  :)
2016-04-24 16:21 <JohnnyQ> oh, my apologies.
2016-04-24 16:21 <Plugh> From the second part of your reply I'm guessing it was the latter. You are using stock OS and adding WiFi support to it.
2016-04-24 16:22 <JohnnyQ> I am using a standard version. I added the repo and installed after the fact.
2016-04-24 16:22 <JohnnyQ> Yes
2016-04-24 16:23 <Plugh> I've only added WiFi support to OS once. I had some minor hitches at first but eventually it all came together.
2016-04-24 16:23 <JohnnyQ> what did you have issues with? 
2016-04-24 16:24 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: You have been working through the installation instructions?
2016-04-24 16:24 <Plugh> I found there was something in the install notes that wasn't clear. I discussed it with Diva and the notes were updated.
2016-04-24 16:24 <JohnnyQ> Yes, I have followed everything thus far. I found a typo in the Wifi.ini that was causing issues. but that was a case of a missing [ that I replaced/
2016-04-24 16:25 <JohnnyQ> let me restart everything, I think there was some error I was getting. Let me grab it and pastebin it.
2016-04-24 16:25 <Plugh> ok
2016-04-24 16:26 <Plugh> I may have to leave part way through as my lunch may be ready soon. I'll be back after lunch.
2016-04-24 16:26 <JohnnyQ> thats fine, I am used to waiting patiently for help.
2016-04-24 16:26 <JohnnyQ> I do appreciate it thus far.
2016-04-24 16:27 <Plugh> Let me ssh in to another machine. I don't have any of the WiFi stuff on my machine.
2016-04-24 16:29 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: Are you running OS in grid mode?
2016-04-24 16:30 <JohnnyQ> I am
2016-04-24 16:30 <JohnnyQ> http://pastebin.com/zvxeuRu7
2016-04-24 16:30 <Plugh> oh, yea. I think I remember now. It was the specs for two directories used by WiFi that may have given me a problem at first.
2016-04-24 16:31 <JohnnyQ> thats the error I get when I try and run it
2016-04-24 16:31 <Plugh> 
ACTION hears signs that lunch is about ready.

2016-04-24 16:32 <Melanie_> one of your config files has something other than a number where a number is expected
2016-04-24 16:32 <JohnnyQ> ok, I will look
2016-04-24 16:33 <Plugh> If Melanie's comment doesn't help I will look after lunch. That page isn't loading for me.
2016-04-24 16:33 <JohnnyQ> ok, I am looking now
2016-04-24 16:34 <JohnnyQ> http://pastebin.com/iLLve1YM
2016-04-24 16:36 <Plugh> pastebin is really slow to load anything today. :P
2016-04-24 16:37 <JohnnyQ> D'oh!
2016-04-24 16:39 <H-H-H> seems fine to me :)
2016-04-24 16:40 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: You haven't properly stated the problem. You are trying to access WiFi pages via a web browser. What happens when you try?
2016-04-24 16:41 <JohnnyQ> I get a 404 not found. like the pages or service is not running. I am trying to figure out what is wrong.
2016-04-24 16:42 <Plugh> Have you copied the WiFi HTML pages in to the right directory? Have you set the paths for RegistryLocation and ConfigDirectory in Robust.ini and restarted Robust? 
2016-04-24 16:42 <JohnnyQ> ya know, I don't know. let me check.
2016-04-24 16:43 <JohnnyQ> Yes
2016-04-24 16:44 <JohnnyQ> So, I didn't download Diva to install it manually. I added the repo to the Robust Repo list and added it that way.
2016-04-24 16:44 <JohnnyQ> it downloaded and installed everything once I set the Registry and Config Directories.
2016-04-24 16:46 <Plugh> I just got the call that lunch is ready. bbl.
2016-04-24 16:46 <JohnnyQ> ttyl, thanks for the help
2016-04-24 16:56 <JohnnyQ> afk
2016-04-24 17:26 <smxy> Plugh, Can you explain this? http://pastebin.com/19UbBFkf
2016-04-24 17:27 <smxy> Or Melanie_: ^^
2016-04-24 17:28 <smxy> That's in 0.8.2.1 Release
2016-04-24 17:43 <smxy> Mono 4.3.2.467 and CentOS 7
2016-04-24 17:44 <smxy> It's an OpenSim binary release, so it wasn't built under that mono - just running under it.
2016-04-24 17:44 <Plugh> Oh, The version of mono might be the problem. I'm losing track of which 4.x version is safe to use.
2016-04-24 17:44 <smxy> That's the one Melanie_ says is good.
2016-04-24 17:45 <Plugh> oh, ok
2016-04-24 17:45 <smxy> And none of my CentOS 7 VMs have IPv6 enabled.
2016-04-24 17:48 <Plugh> Do you have access to a 3.x version of mono for comparison?
2016-04-24 17:53 <smxy> No. But for ages, on CentOS 6, I was running 4.0.1.43 that I'd built. I don't recall if it di it under that combination or not. I don't remember seeing it, if it did.
2016-04-24 17:55 <smxy> I tried to build that mono for CentOS7, but it fails to start regions, with a libgdiplus error. I used the same tarballs from before. There is a newer libgdiplus tarball, which I used when making 4.3.2.467. I plan to try remaking 4.0.1.43 with that, to see if it helps.
2016-04-24 17:57 <smxy> No, I'm not going back to CentOS 6 - that bridge has been burned. :)
2016-04-24 17:58 <smxy> Besides, the operating system is having no issues resolving those names to addresses.
2016-04-24 18:02 <Plugh> So many people have had issues with mono 4.x I would want to eliminate it as the source of problem. IIRC, someone reported a similar issue a while back and it was the version of mono causing the problem..
2016-04-24 18:02 <Plugh> If it isn't the version of mono the next cause might be something in the configuration.
2016-04-24 18:09 <smxy> Plugh, that was me. On CentOS6 I'd tried versions newer that 4.0.1.43 and my grid had all kinds of issues and I had to go back. I was told they were related to IPv6 and that I had to totally disable it. So I moved to CentOS 7 and did totally disable it, then used the version of Mono that Melanie_ insists is good.
2016-04-24 18:09 <smxy> My grid configuration hasn't changed.
2016-04-24 18:09 <Plugh> ok.
2016-04-24 18:09 <Plugh> I don't have a test setup for HG so I can't do any testing.
2016-04-24 18:12 <smxy> This isn't HG. This is name resolution.
2016-04-24 18:13 <Plugh> In an HG configuration.
2016-04-24 18:13 <Plugh> You've already indicated your machine can resolve the domain names.
2016-04-24 18:14 <Plugh> This is same version of OS you ran under CentOS 6/
2016-04-24 18:14 <Plugh> ?
2016-04-24 18:14 <smxy> Yes.
2016-04-24 18:15 <smxy> Actually, it's just that notifier related code that is having an issue, as near as I can tell, as I can HG TP to OSgrid and back just fine.
2016-04-24 18:15 <smxy> Let me try going to the other three too.
2016-04-24 18:15 <Plugh> ok. Same OS, same config, no DNS lookup issues. That eliminates a lot of things.
2016-04-24 18:17 <smxy> Different OS (Operating System); same OS (OpenSIm). :)
2016-04-24 18:17 <Plugh> yea. :)
2016-04-24 18:18 <Plugh> I was referencing the second use of OS (OpenSim). :)  It can get confusing.
2016-04-24 18:22 <smxy> Of those 4 grids, I can HG TP to and back from 3 of them, just fine. Only hyperica also gives me the name resolution error when trying to go there.
2016-04-24 18:30 <smxy> make install
2016-04-24 18:30 <smxy> heh
2016-04-24 18:33 <Plugh> bbl
2016-04-24 18:43 <smxy> Beginning to woder if OpenSim isn't dying, with the lack of significant work on it these days. :(
2016-04-24 18:43 <smxy> But perceptions aren't always reality.
2016-04-24 19:06 <smxy> Plugh: Okay, so I rebuilt 4.0.1.43, but using the very latest libgdiplus tarball, which resulted in a mono that is able to start my regions on CentOS 7. When I logged into my grid there were no NameResolutionFailure messages when notifying my HG friends. That points at 4.3.2 being bad, at least for me, in spite of the fact that I disabled IPv6 as Melanie_ said would be required. I'll go 
2016-04-24 19:06 <smxy> see if the other issues I was seeing have also gone away. I'm betting (hoping) they have.
2016-04-24 19:07 <Melanie_> smxy: regarding name resolution failures and ipv6
2016-04-24 19:08 <Melanie_> you of course also need to remove some entries in some file
2016-04-24 19:08 <Melanie_> like /etc/hosts, need to remove ::1 there
2016-04-24 19:08 <Melanie_> and /etc/resolv.conf may list ipv6 nameservers, they have to go
2016-04-24 19:08 <Melanie_> few more places
2016-04-24 19:08 <Melanie_> you can test with tools like dig
2016-04-24 19:22 <smxy> Melanie, the interfaces have no IPv6 address. Not even a MAC address.
2016-04-24 19:23 <smxy> But yes, I *do* see a ::1 address in /etc/hosts.
2016-04-24 19:23 <smxy> That will have to go.
2016-04-24 19:24 <smxy> My /etc/resolv.conf is good.
2016-04-24 19:24 <smxy> I'll keep checking.
2016-04-24 19:27 <smxy> This is frustrating, to say the least.
2016-04-24 19:37 <smxy> Melanie_: I reviewed Red Hat's instructions on disabling this, again, and see there are a couple more things I should do yet. So I'll give that a try.
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2016-04-24 22:52 <smxy> That doesn't work, Melanie_. Nothing I do to disable IPv6 makes Mono versions higher than 4.0.1.43 work properly for me. I'll pastebin everything I've done, so you can see. I know of nothing else I can do.
2016-04-24 22:54 <smxy> Melanie_: http://pastebin.com/ZV4T03uc
2016-04-24 22:55 <smxy> Melanie_: That's everything Red Hat says to do, and then some.
2016-04-24 23:01 <smxy> Melanie_: I'm starting to wonder if you simply don't see these issues because Avination doesn't allow HG.
2016-04-24 23:01 <smxy> No complaints about not being able to come and go ...
2016-04-24 23:21 <Plugh> smxy: if ipv6 is disabled I would expect you would also see that when you did ifconfig on the line where it shows the inet6 address.
2016-04-24 23:22 <smxy> That's wha I have, AND what I had before.
2016-04-24 23:22 <smxy> That is apparently not enough, according to Melanie.
2016-04-24 23:23 <smxy> So I have jumped through every hoop I know of to disable it and STILL those newer Monos cause problems that I'm told are IPv6 related.
2016-04-24 23:29 <Melanie_> smxy: if you're seeing this because of HG then it _may_ mean that the other end has their DNS wrong or thet you are using names where you should be using naked IPs
2016-04-24 23:29 <smxy> Why on earth would I use naked IPs when DNS exists so we don't have to?
2016-04-24 23:30 <Melanie_> it also may mean that you still have IP6 active somewhere in your system but if it's only when HG is being used it may point to misconfiguration
2016-04-24 23:30 <Melanie_> smxy: because in some places opensim needs IPs to work efficiently
2016-04-24 23:30 <smxy> Again, you run CentOS, as I recall. Tell me what I haven't done to disable it.
2016-04-24 23:30 <Melanie_> in fact, to make all these name resolutions unnecessary
2016-04-24 23:30 <smxy> Exactly what would those places be, Melanie_?
2016-04-24 23:31 <Melanie_> the important thing is to chek if your ifconfig eth0 still shows an ip6 address
2016-04-24 23:31 <smxy> It does not
2016-04-24 23:31 <Melanie_> and i can't tell you because i don't know these things by heart
2016-04-24 23:31 <smxy> It doesnn't even have a physical address for IPv6
2016-04-24 23:31 <Melanie_> avination uses centralized configuration management and uses ip addresses only
2016-04-24 23:31 <Melanie_> does it still list the ip6 line with no address or does it not list that line anymore?
2016-04-24 23:32 <smxy> That line isn't present.
2016-04-24 23:32 <Melanie_> if it still lists that line then the ip6 kernem module or any other module pulling it in still exists in your onfiguration
2016-04-24 23:32 <Melanie_> ok
2016-04-24 23:32 <Melanie_> then we can i think rule out ip6 now and need to look for other culprits
2016-04-24 23:32 <Melanie_> i need to go afk for a while
2016-04-24 23:32 <Melanie_> but please share some insights and pastebins of the error
2016-04-24 23:32 <Melanie_> i will look when i get back
2016-04-24 23:35 <smxy> Time for me to get my test grid updated and on this mon so that I can quit screwing around with my production grid. :)
2016-04-24 23:56 <smxy> Melanie_: I appreciate your insights into the problem. Question: This is the binary release of 0.8.2.1 I'm running. Do you think our time would be better spent trying to figure out why it and Mono 4.3.2 aren't playing well or, instead, setting up my test grid to run current dev code built with 4.3.2 (assuming it exhibits the problem as well)?
2016-04-24 23:57 <smxy> Melanie_: I left off "... and testing that combo?"
2016-04-24 23:59 <smxy> I'm leaning towards the latter, myself.
2016-04-25 01:13 <smxy> Yeah, I think I'll do that, because I'd like to run 0.9 dev on my main grid anyway, so might as well test it and figure this out with that, if need be.
2016-04-25 02:21 <smxy> Well, THAT's interesting.
2016-04-25 02:22 <smxy> I just brought my test grid up on the same code and config as my main grid. Kitely avatars are unable to get to my main grid. But they can to my test grid. WTH? :)
2016-04-25 02:39 <Plugh> I had someone who had an HG TP issue recently. The problem was that the grid didn't have a default or fallback region set.
2016-04-25 02:40 <Plugh> No idea if that might be an issue you have or not. Just mentioning it in case it helps.
2016-04-25 02:40 <JohnnyQ2> yeah, that was me. Still working on that though :/
2016-04-25 02:40 <JohnnyQ2> JohnnyQ is logged in on the grid server machine. lol
2016-04-25 02:42 <osmantis> Bug #7845:04 PGSQL Add database NULL check for Terraindata Heightfield 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7845 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-25 02:42 <osmantis> Bug #7845:04 PGSQL Add database NULL check for Terraindata Heightfield 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7845 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-04-25 02:46 <smxy> Plugh: I've had a default region for years. Remember, my grid has one of the most popular HG Hubs around. I make it easy to get to. :)
2016-04-25 02:47 <Plugh> smxy: I have no idea which grid is yours.
2016-04-25 02:47 <smxy> I have found that my Kitely avatar can get to my test grid. As expected, he cannot go from there to my main grid. I have a transcript of both ends of that.
2016-04-25 02:47 <smxy> Plugh: Sanctuary :)
2016-04-25 02:49 <smxy> http://pastebin.com/2aFg9FmX
2016-04-25 02:49 <JohnnyQ2> smxy, what are you running?
2016-04-25 02:50 <smxy> Is that transcript saying what I think it is - that it thinks Sanctuary is 50.18.48.24:8002 ?
2016-04-25 02:50 <Plugh> Ok. Can't say I've heard of that one before.
2016-04-25 02:51 <smxy> JohnnyQ: 0.8.2.1 Release
2016-04-25 02:52 <Plugh> yea, it does appear to be using the 50.blah address
2016-04-25 02:52 <smxy> That's not my grid's address ...
2016-04-25 02:52 <smxy> That's an amazon aws vm
2016-04-25 02:53 <smxy> Which is what Kitely is on, if I recall correctly.
2016-04-25 02:53 <JohnnyQ2> Do you use a web interface at all?
2016-04-25 02:53 <smxy> Yes, Wifi.
2016-04-25 02:54 <JohnnyQ2> :-/
2016-04-25 02:55 <JohnnyQ2> I am setting up an install, HG ready but I can't get Wifi working to save my life. It seems something in one of the Configs is incorrect and is throwing an error when loading Wifi or immediately after reading the config file.
2016-04-25 02:55 <JohnnyQ2> it's installed after the fact, not a Diva Distro.
2016-04-25 02:56 <smxy> Yes. Same here.
2016-04-25 02:56 <Plugh> What is the error?
2016-04-25 02:56 <JohnnyQ2> gosh, lemme pull up the console again.
2016-04-25 02:56 <JohnnyQ2> got it screen'd via SSH
2016-04-25 02:56 <smxy> tmux is better than screen and easier to script. :)
2016-04-25 02:57 <JohnnyQ> oh look where it resumed :D
2016-04-25 02:57 <smxy> I switched about a year ago. :)
2016-04-25 02:57 <JohnnyQ2> System.FormatException: Input string was not in the correct format
2016-04-25 02:57 <JohnnyQ2>   at System.Int32.Parse (System.String s, NumberStyles style, IFormatProvider provider) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
2016-04-25 02:57 <JohnnyQ2>   at System.Int32.Parse (System.String s, IFormatProvider provider) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
2016-04-25 02:57 <JohnnyQ2>   at System.Convert.ToInt32 (System.String value, IFormatProvider provider) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
2016-04-25 02:57 <JohnnyQ2>   at Nini.Config.ConfigBase.GetInt (System.String key, Int32 defaultValue) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
2016-04-25 02:57 <JohnnyQ2>   at Diva.Wifi.WifiServerConnector.Configure (IConfigSource config) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
2016-04-25 02:57 <JohnnyQ2>   at OpenSim.Server.Base.PluginLoader.LoadPlugin (IRobustConnector connector) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
2016-04-25 02:57 <JohnnyQ2>   at OpenSim.Server.Base.PluginLoader.OnExtensionChanged (System.Object s, Mono.Addins.ExtensionNodeEventArgs args) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
2016-04-25 02:58 <JohnnyQ2>   at Mono.Addins.ExtensionNode.add_ExtensionNodeChanged (Mono.Addins.ExtensionNodeEventHandler value) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
2016-04-25 02:58 <JohnnyQ2> damnit
2016-04-25 02:58 <smxy> Next time pastebin it, please
2016-04-25 02:58 <JohnnyQ2> ok, pastebin, sorrt
2016-04-25 02:58 <JohnnyQ2> sorry
2016-04-25 02:58 <JohnnyQ2> It was a slip of a key, my brain failed to engage. My bad, completely.
2016-04-25 02:58 <JohnnyQ2> http://pastebin.com/2usWK3Md
2016-04-25 02:59 <smxy> That's above my pay grade, sorry.
2016-04-25 02:59 <smxy> Bad mono version?
2016-04-25 03:00 <JohnnyQ2> yeah, someone said that a config value which was implicityl defined as one type was set as another. Like a string value where an integer should be.
2016-04-25 03:00 <JohnnyQ2> but thats what? 4 config files?
2016-04-25 03:00 <JohnnyQ2> wif, plus the Robust, Opensim, GridCommon,
2016-04-25 03:00 <Plugh> What was it doing just before that error? Context for the error message helps.
2016-04-25 03:01 <JohnnyQ2> COnfiguring Wifi from the wifi.ini
2016-04-25 03:01 <smxy> why not pastebin your wifi.ini (obfuscate passwords, if any, please).
2016-04-25 03:01 <JohnnyQ2> of course
2016-04-25 03:03 <smxy> I''l compare it to mine
2016-04-25 03:03 <smxy> I'll*
2016-04-25 03:04 <JohnnyQ2> http://pastebin.com/X4R1meDz
2016-04-25 03:04 <JohnnyQ2> I know I was getting a Fatal error due to a missing Brace
2016-04-25 03:04 <JohnnyQ2> but I fixed that on my own.
2016-04-25 03:05 <JohnnyQ> ok, I'm on my console
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2016-04-25 03:07 <smxy> What version of opensim are you trying to run this against?
2016-04-25 03:07 <JohnnyQ> 0.8.2.1
2016-04-25 03:08 <JohnnyQ> did I get the wrong version of Wifi?
2016-04-25 03:08 <JohnnyQ> I used the repo to install it.
2016-04-25 03:08 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: Is this your actual ini file? --> ServerPort = 8002 or ${Const|PublicPort}
2016-04-25 03:08 <smxy> Well, your config file has no substantial differences from mine, but I don't think we're running the same Wifi version, as we have different comments in various sections ...
2016-04-25 03:08 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: The or means pick one. 
2016-04-25 03:09 <smxy> yes
2016-04-25 03:09 <JohnnyQ> do I just remove one?
2016-04-25 03:09 <smxy> mine is commented out. Missed that
2016-04-25 03:09 <smxy> in your case delete all after 8002 on that line
2016-04-25 03:10 <smxy> Nice catch, Plugh :)
2016-04-25 03:10 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: You generally use 8002 if you are in grid mode or use the ${Const...} setting.
2016-04-25 03:10 <smxy> He's using  8002 on the next lins, so that's what he wants there too.
2016-04-25 03:10 <JohnnyQ> ok, I set it. Seems incredibly silly of a mistake to make. But apparently thats it.
2016-04-25 03:10 <Plugh> Darn viewer suddenly did the Kill or Wait options on me and now I can't get back to the page. 
2016-04-25 03:11 <JohnnyQ> Now I need to configure GridManagement
2016-04-25 03:11 <smxy> Just: ServerPort = 8002
2016-04-25 03:11 <smxy> You bought the addon from her?
2016-04-25 03:12 <JohnnyQ> No, It was on the repo, should I just drop that til later?
2016-04-25 03:12 <smxy> That's an easy ini to do
2016-04-25 03:13 <JohnnyQ> yeah, I saw. But Is it a paid module?
2016-04-25 03:13 <smxy> It's not going to work without a license I don;t believe. I paid for one.
2016-04-25 03:13 <JohnnyQ> ok, I have to talk to the grid owner first. What's it do?
2016-04-25 03:14 <Plugh> I'd have to check the site but I do know diva has made the basic WiFi available but there are a couple of other add ons which require a license.
2016-04-25 03:14 <smxy> Off the top of my head, I forget. :)
2016-04-25 03:14 <JohnnyQ> I will look, but I am definitely looking for more function, whats the cost?
2016-04-25 03:14 <JohnnyQ> ya know what, don't answer, I have google
2016-04-25 03:14 <Plugh> :)
2016-04-25 03:14 <smxy> Not sue. I was the first, so I got a discount as I helped her make sure it worked. :)
2016-04-25 03:15 <smxy> The licensing part, that is. :)
2016-04-25 03:16 <smxy> Gotta feed The Ravenous Pussies. TTFN :)
2016-04-25 03:16 <Plugh> You have cats?
2016-04-25 03:16 <smxy> 5
2016-04-25 03:16 <Plugh> 5? Yikes.
2016-04-25 03:17 <Plugh> A couple down the street have 3. I had one but not any more. :(
2016-04-25 03:17 <smxy> 2 siblings, almost 4, 2 siblings, almost 14, and another almost 14.
2016-04-25 03:18 <Plugh> Sounds like quite a handful
2016-04-25 03:18 <smxy> The last one was my Aunt's. We had to put her in assisted care living last October. No one wanted the cat, so they were gonna kill it. I said no, I'd take him. He's a great and affectionate cat. :)
2016-04-25 03:20 <smxy> Anyway, it's past feeding and medication time (one is diabetic, so has to be tested and given a shot twice a day).
2016-04-25 03:21 <JohnnyQ> ttyl, I gotta get to bed
2016-04-25 03:21 <Plugh> Ok. Night you two.
2016-04-25 03:22 <Plugh> I've got a couple of patches to apply to OS then I'll be taking a break from the computer.
2016-04-25 03:27 <w-t-h> danbanner, i did come from a few HG sims before osgrid's sandbox plaza, namely hypergrid.org:8002:sandbox and before that my 0.8.1-postfixes vanilla opensim
2016-04-25 03:37 <JohnnyQ> so,diva is running,thank you everyone for your help
2016-04-25 03:40 <osmantis> Bug #7843:04 Missing references and an old project in Prebuild.xml 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7843 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-04-25 03:44 <osmantis> Bug #7846:04 PGSQL - sync database tables to be in accordance with MySQL tables + 0-9 dev additions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7846 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-04-25 03:49 <w-t-h> oops, wrong channel
2016-04-25 03:50 <osmantis> Bug #7805:04 PGSQL Records are overwritten in Presence table 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7805 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-04-25 03:55 <osmantis> Bug #7610:04 PGSQL Commit 6f71d5, c1ddb7, 0fa94f for Agenpreferences lacks support for Postgres 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7610 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2016-04-25 14:07 <osmantis> Bug #7889:04 Fix llAttachToAvatarTemp attached attachments not being able to be detached from pie menues on client. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7889 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-25 14:58 <Plugh> Is it possible to amend log entries for changes that have already been pushed?
2016-04-25 15:15 <Plugh> nm. You can but it wouldn't be nice if others have already pulled from the repo.
2016-04-25 15:16 <Plugh> Damn git strikes again as it found another way to mess things up.
2016-04-25 15:19 <H-H-H> o so i guess it wouldnt pull it down as a change ?
2016-04-25 16:20 <Plugh> Phew! Finally done. Only took me about a day. :P
2016-04-25 16:21 <Melanie_> lol
2016-04-25 16:22 <Plugh> Finally figured out why git was giving me grief and got it all sorted.
2016-04-25 16:23 <Plugh> I had to fix a few of those patches from Gavin.
2016-04-25 16:24 <Plugh> I now have a clean copy of master that I can use to push changes while my other copy will be for work in progress.
2016-04-25 16:25 <Melanie_> you really should have only one clone, ever
2016-04-25 16:25 <Melanie_> you can easily "spin off" temporary work trees
2016-04-25 16:26 <Melanie_> so having a dirty work tree will not impact your ability to commit others' patches
2016-04-25 16:26 <Plugh> I copied my dirty work tree, cleaned it, and reset it.
2016-04-25 16:26 <Melanie_> do you know that you can be in any directory
2016-04-25 16:26 <Melanie_> and make it a work tree temporarily?
2016-04-25 16:27 <Melanie_> like so
2016-04-25 16:27 <Melanie_> mkdir /tmp/core
2016-04-25 16:27 <Melanie_> cd /tmp/core
2016-04-25 16:27 <Plugh> I think you said something about that but I don't remember how so this is safer for me. Less chance of git screwing up.
2016-04-25 16:27 <Melanie_> export GIT_DIR=/path/to/your/clone/.git
2016-04-25 16:27 <Melanie_> git reset --hard
2016-04-25 16:27 <Melanie_> at this point, your /tmp/core is a clean work tree
2016-04-25 16:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #4622 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-04-25 16:28 <Melanie_> you can then apply patches and commit and push
2016-04-25 16:28 <Melanie_> once you're done, simply rm -rf /tmp/core
2016-04-25 16:29 <Melanie_> having more than one clone is a much greater risk of screwups than managing multiple work trees
2016-04-25 16:29 <Melanie_> git isn't designed for more than one clone per box, not really
2016-04-25 16:30 <Melanie_> they can be different versions reltive to origin
2016-04-25 16:30 <Melanie_> which isnt't good
2016-04-25 16:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4622: FAILURE in 16 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4622/
2016-04-25 16:35 <osjenkins> * kevin: POSTGRES: Added check for Heightfield not equal to Database NULL.. Mirrors OpenSim commit 50d738
2016-04-25 16:35 <osjenkins> * kevin: Update Prebuild.xml. There are no longer Test in OptionalModules
2016-04-25 16:35 <osjenkins> * kevin: Adding missing references to Prebuild.xml
2016-04-25 16:35 <osjenkins> * kevin: Removed trailing whitespace in prebuild.xml
2016-04-25 16:35 <osjenkins> * kevin: Fix Mantis #7805, table handler needs to look for all unique constraints.
2016-04-25 16:35 <osjenkins> * kevin: Updated the code to handle Agent Preferences. Thanks to TomDataworks for providing a final solution.
2016-04-25 16:35 <osjenkins> * kevin: POSTGRES: Update database migrations to be in accordance with MySQL table definitions. Prerequisite for fixing PGSQLSimulationdata
2016-04-25 16:37 <H-H-H> :(
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2016-04-25 16:45 <Plugh> I added the info to my git surivivors guide. 
2016-04-25 16:46 <Plugh> I don't see that it would be dangerous to have more than one copy. I have different dirs with copies of a given repo where they each dir has a different branch checked out.
2016-04-25 16:49 <H-H-H> i also have several usually a few with changes im working on and a clean one i use to pull from main repo 
2016-04-25 16:50 <Melanie_> when the two copies get out of sync, you may find yourself unable to push important work from one copy
2016-04-25 16:50 <Melanie_> because of being blocked by what you pushed from the other
2016-04-25 16:50 <Melanie_> your two copies don't sage either index or hisory
2016-04-25 16:51 <Melanie_> so you can shoot yourself in the foot by using this simplistic solution rather than learning how to do it properly
2016-04-25 16:51 <Melanie_> i haven't needed to reclone ever since we switched to git
2016-04-25 16:51 <Melanie_> and i've done some mad stuff with my local repo
2016-04-25 16:51 <Melanie_> like undoing unpushed commits (yes it's possible)
2016-04-25 16:52 <Melanie_> sage = share
2016-04-25 16:52 <Melanie_> however i managed to typo that one!
2016-04-25 16:52 <H-H-H> lol
2016-04-25 16:53 <Melanie_> however, not having two clones is sage advice, methinks
2016-04-25 16:54 <H-H-H> i guess i could achiee the same results as im used to with branches instead and then only have the one repo and use master as well master and do my wierd stuffs in branches
2016-04-25 16:55 <H-H-H> achieve*
2016-04-25 16:55 <Melanie_> yes
2016-04-25 16:55 <Melanie_> multiple copies of a repo are a remnant of SVN workflows
2016-04-25 16:55 <Melanie_> where branches weren't really powerful
2016-04-25 16:56 <H-H-H> i really should get more comfortable with git
2016-04-25 16:59 <Plugh> I've removed unpushed commits many times. You have to be careful how you do it so as not to lose WIP
2016-04-25 17:00 <Melanie_> yup
2016-04-25 17:01 <Melanie_> but again
2016-04-25 17:01 <Melanie_> if you use a different work tree for the commit reversal
2016-04-25 17:01 <Melanie_> you can't kill your WIP
2016-04-25 17:21 <zadark> It looks like something in the last commit removed reference to OpenSim.Region.OptionalModules.Test
2016-04-25 17:24 <zadark> ah, that was intentional
2016-04-25 17:24 <zadark> back to sleep
2016-04-25 18:04 <osmantis> Bug #7889:04 Fix llAttachToAvatarTemp attached attachments not being able to be detached from pie menues on client. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7889 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-25 18:05 <osmantis> Bug #7889:04 Fix llAttachToAvatarTemp attached attachments not being able to be detached from pie menues on client. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7889 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-04-25 18:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #4623 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4621 10 days ago)
2016-04-25 18:11 <H-H-H> last success was 10 days ago :|
2016-04-25 18:15 <Melanie_> H-H-H: it's what happens when people don't watch jenkins output
2016-04-25 18:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4623: STILL FAILING in 16 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4623/
2016-04-25 18:18 <osjenkins> * melanie: Fix Temporary Attachments not being able to be detached by client
2016-04-25 18:18 <osjenkins> * melanie: Since the OptionalModules tests have been removed, also stop trying to run them
2016-04-25 18:18 <osjenkins> * melanie: Stop serializing and storing assets for objects that were never rezzed from inventory items.
2016-04-25 18:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #4624 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4621 10 days ago)
2016-04-25 18:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4624: STILL FAILING in 6 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4624/
2016-04-25 18:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #4625 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4621 10 days ago)
2016-04-25 18:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4625: STILL FAILING in 12 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4625/
2016-04-25 18:40 <osjenkins> melanie: Fire detach events even in temp attachments. They don't really need it but keeping the tests happy
2016-04-25 20:21 <osmantis> Bug #7890:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp - vulnerability for taking attachment to the user's inventory - exploit 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7890 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-04-25 20:46 <osmantis> Bug #7857:04 Estate Manager can't set parcel for sale, after reclaming it to the estate owner, unless uses god power. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7857 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-04-25 23:05 <smxy> Melanie_: Okay. my test grid has been updated. Still seeing the same issue. :( http://pastebin.com/25Ktnm9K
2016-04-25 23:11 <smxy> The operating system doesn't appear to be a factor, as things are behaving the same on CentOS 7 as they did on CentOS 6.
2016-04-26 02:04 <timecop> hello out thare 
2016-04-26 02:05 <timecop> i what know if thare a new repo site to get updates ?
2016-04-26 02:10 <Plugh> No. The repo is the same one its always been.
2016-04-26 02:11 <seefo> hello all, got a quick for you all... was briefly looking through the LL wikipedia about the underlying network protocol of SL and i cant seem to find how LL verifies if a packet is genuinly from a source (since udp ip can be spoofed if it leaves a network that doesnt drop packet with invalid source ips), is there any connection id or anything part of the udp header that the client sends to a simulator?
2016-04-26 02:11 <timecop> github
2016-04-26 02:12 <timecop> <Plugh> that the one on github
2016-04-26 02:14 <timecop> or that one git://opensimulator.org/git/opensim
2016-04-26 02:15 <smxy> timecopAlways get code from opensimulator.org. Github is not official and often (always?) not up to date.
2016-04-26 02:17 <seefo> for clarification to my question: i am referring to the circuits that are established between clients
2016-04-26 02:17 <seefo> in this case, the simulator and viewer
2016-04-26 02:20 <seefo> i hope this doesnt seem like a weird question lol
2016-04-26 02:29 <timecop> just i getting haveing trabels connant to git://opensimulator.org/git/opensim
2016-04-26 02:31 <timecop> fatal: unable to access 'https://opensimulator.org/git/opensim/': Failed to connect to opensimulator.org port 443: Connection refused
2016-04-26 02:34 <Plugh> git clone git://opensimulator.org/git/opensim
2016-04-26 02:36 <Plugh> That is the right method of getting the code from the repo. Don't know why you would get an error message.
2016-04-26 02:38 <timecop> look like router blocking it but it look good 
2016-04-26 02:40 <timecop> i have look up pfsense 
2016-04-26 02:41 <timecop> thank Plugh & smxy
2016-04-26 02:41 <Plugh> yw
2016-04-26 03:08 <osmantis> Bug #7891:04 Exception on shutdown 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7891 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-04-26 13:33 <osmantis> Bug #7892:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp - new problems with last commitments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7892 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-04-26 15:39 <osmantis> Bug #7892:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp - new problems with last commitments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7892 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-26 15:40 <JohnnyQ> This looks so much better without all the join and part messages.
2016-04-26 15:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #4626 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4621 11 days ago)
2016-04-26 15:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4626: STILL FAILING in 12 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4626/
2016-04-26 15:56 <osjenkins> melanie: Reverse a comparison, this is probably the cause of attach issues
2016-04-26 16:11 <smxy> Melanie_: Any thoughts/insight on the issue I pastebinned?
2016-04-26 16:13 <Melanie_> i'm not seeing any DNS issues on that
2016-04-26 16:13 <Melanie_> it says it can't contact the osg gatekeeper
2016-04-26 16:14 <Melanie_> you may want to do some manual net connectivity testing
2016-04-26 16:15 <smxy> It only happens with mono version above 4.0.1. With 4.0.1 it works fine.
2016-04-26 16:15 <smxy> That's not a network or host issue.
2016-04-26 16:16 <Melanie_> you're right in that since we don't use HG i would not see this
2016-04-26 16:16 <Melanie_> if this is the only place it happens
2016-04-26 16:16 <smxy> That seems like broken/changed Mono that isn't playing well with OpenSim or vice versa.
2016-04-26 16:16 <Melanie_> it also means i can't effectively debug it
2016-04-26 16:16 <Melanie_> the point is that 4.0 is broken
2016-04-26 16:17 <Melanie_> we KNOW it's broken in ways that makes opensim not work
2016-04-26 16:17 <Melanie_> so staying on 4.0 is not an option
2016-04-26 16:17 <smxy> Then we need to make this stop breaking under 4.3.2
2016-04-26 16:17 <Melanie_> someone needs to find out what happens (or doesn't) on 4.3
2016-04-26 16:17 <Melanie_> so it can get fixed
2016-04-26 16:18 <smxy> If you can't debug it, how am I supposed to? I am not a programmer and this is in Mono and/or OpenSim somewhere.
2016-04-26 16:19 <smxy> I'm open to suggestions.
2016-04-26 16:19 <Melanie_> if you can configure a self-contained standalone and give me the config files, i can try to set one up
2016-04-26 16:19 <Melanie_> i don't have the time to learn hg configurationnow
2016-04-26 16:19 <Melanie_> so i won't do it from scratch - i'm pressed for time as it is
2016-04-26 16:20 <Melanie_> but if i can get my hands on a setup without investing time setting it up
2016-04-26 16:20 <Melanie_> i could at least look
2016-04-26 16:21 <smxy> That's reasonable. I haven't tried this with a standalone. Just my main and test Robust grids. I'll try it with one of my standalones.
2016-04-26 16:23 <smxy> Well, with *a* standalone, anyway. One I can package up for you if I can repro this.
2016-04-26 16:23 <smxy> Would a snoop log of the attempt be useful?
2016-04-26 17:24 <Melanie_> smxy: not if it's not cut down to the actual transaction
2016-04-26 17:24 <Melanie_> no time to sort through 1/2 gb f log data
2016-04-26 17:28 <osmantis> Bug #7890:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp - vulnerability for taking attachment to the user's inventory - exploit 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7890 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-26 17:52 <smxy> Melanie_: yes, just the traffic between the two sites at that time. I wouldn't intentionally throw you a ton of useless stuff. :)
2016-04-26 17:52 <osmantis> Bug #7890:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp - vulnerability for taking attachment to the user's inventory - exploit 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7890 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-26 17:55 <osmantis> Bug #7892:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp - new problems with last commitments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7892 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-26 18:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #4627 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4621 11 days ago)
2016-04-26 18:09 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-04-26 18:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4627: FIXED in 5 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4627/
2016-04-26 18:09 <osjenkins> melanie: Remove a remnant of the optionalmodules unit test that was removed earlier
2016-04-26 18:40 <JohnnyQ> Has anyone gotten a currency system running?
2016-04-26 18:41 <JohnnyQ> I found http://goo.gl/xcS4zH but the build instructions don't work sadly.
2016-04-26 18:41 <JohnnyQ> the prebuild.exe necessary for compiling is non existent.
2016-04-26 18:42 <JohnnyQ> and mono is apparently unforgiving 
2016-04-26 19:21 <osmantis> Bug #7892:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp - new problems with last commitments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7892 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-26 19:46 <osmantis> Bug #7888:04 Mesh objects not rendering due to thread safety issue in SimulatorFeaturesHelper.ShouldSend(AgentID) func 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7888 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-26 20:08 <osmantis> Bug #7892:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp - new problems with last commitments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7892 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-26 20:20 <osmantis> Bug #7893:04 [PATCH] Add regionID to data passed from SimulatorFeaturesModule to OnSimulatorFeaturesRequest event delegates 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7893 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-04-26 20:24 <osmantis> Bug #7893:04 [PATCH] Add regionID to data passed from SimulatorFeaturesModule to OnSimulatorFeaturesRequest event delegates 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7893 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-04-26 20:24 <colosi> A little update on the issues I had with thread safety and SimulatorFeaturesHelper.ShouldSend() recently in regards to the Gloebit Money Module.
2016-04-26 20:26 <colosi> I’ve stopped using ShouldSend in the GMM as I determined this was not the functionality required or expected by the viewer.  The viewer doesn’t care where the agent is active/root.  It submits a features request for a specific scene when it learns about that scene and expects info specific to that scene.
2016-04-26 20:26 <colosi> I still believe that ShouldSend has a thread safety issue.
2016-04-26 20:27 <colosi> SimulatorFeaturesModule, as currently designed, lacks the ability to inform the delegates subscribed to the OnSimulatorFeaturesRequest event as to which scene the viewer is requesting simulator features for.
2016-04-26 20:28 <colosi> I’ve submitted a patch which should not impact current code, but would enable a subscribing delegate to have this information and process this event differently based on the regionID.  This patch is listed above as #7893.
2016-04-26 20:44 <osmantis> Bug #7888:04 Mesh objects not rendering due to thread safety issue in SimulatorFeaturesHelper.ShouldSend(AgentID) func 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7888 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-26 21:39 <osmantis> Bug #7888:04 Mesh objects not rendering due to thread safety issue in SimulatorFeaturesHelper.ShouldSend(AgentID) func 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7888 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-26 21:46 <osmantis> Bug #7892:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp - new problems with last commitments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7892 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-04-26 22:21 <osmantis> Bug #7888:04 Mesh objects not rendering due to thread safety issue in SimulatorFeaturesHelper.ShouldSend(AgentID) func 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7888 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-26 22:26 <osmantis> Bug #7888:04 Mesh objects not rendering due to thread safety issue in SimulatorFeaturesHelper.ShouldSend(AgentID) func 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7888 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-26 22:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #4628 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-04-26 22:36 <osmantis> Bug #7892:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp - new problems with last commitments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7892 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-04-26 22:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4628: SUCCESS in 5 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4628/
2016-04-26 22:41 <osjenkins> melanie: From information given my Mandarinka Tasty, add firing the detach event even for temp attachments
2016-04-26 22:43 <Melanie_T> colosi: your observation is valid but your approach to fixing it is wrong
2016-04-26 22:44 <Melanie_T> colosi: In the beginning this module may have made sense as a shared module but as simulator features evolve there is no point in having the same set of features imposed on every region in a simulator
2016-04-26 22:44 <Melanie_T> colosi: I will be changing the module to a nonshared module, which will mean each region registers it's own delegate and the delegate for each region will be called for that region only
2016-04-26 22:45 <colosi> Melanie_T: What’s the proper fix?
2016-04-26 22:45 <colosi> sorry, saw your latest comment
2016-04-26 22:47 <Melanie_T> that isn't committed yet
2016-04-26 22:47 <Melanie_T> but the delegate thing is really easy when the module is nonshared
2016-04-26 22:48 <Melanie_T> you simply use a lambda or delegate
2016-04-26 22:48 <colosi> Melanie_T: That sounds good, but is a larger change than I was prepared to make.  Also, that will not be a backwards compatible fix.  I actually had to stop registering a callback per region and make sure I only registered one to work with the current SFM.  If you make this change, I’ll have to return to having my module register a unique delegate per region which keeps track of the region it was registered for.  That is how I initially coded the GMM
2016-04-26 22:48 <Melanie_T> that is how it was meant to be
2016-04-26 22:48 <Melanie_T> the module was designed with a m_Scene
2016-04-26 22:48 <Melanie_T> which means it only serves a single scene
2016-04-26 22:48 <Melanie_T> someone else may have made it shared to save a few bytes
2016-04-26 22:48 <Melanie_T> not understanding the implications
2016-04-26 22:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #4629 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-04-26 22:49 <Melanie_T> colosi: why did you call the things "gloebits"?
2016-04-26 22:49 <Melanie_T> colosi: I always have to think of "glue" when i read the name
2016-04-26 22:50 <colosi> Melanie_T: I will consider rebranding.  Marketing is not my strongest skillset.
2016-04-26 22:52 <colosi> What’s the easiest/best way to detect whether someone is running OpenSim with the fix that Melanie just committed or a version prior to that fix?
2016-04-26 22:54 <Melanie_T> colosi: you should not worry about that
2016-04-26 22:54 <Melanie_T> colosi: everyone who is running a real money system on something not a release is a damnfool
2016-04-26 22:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4629: SUCCESS in 5 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4629/
2016-04-26 22:54 <osjenkins> melanie: Make the SimulatorFeaturesModule nonshared as it ought to be from it's code structure.
2016-04-26 22:56 <colosi> Does it matter (or not matter then) if I assume the new system (non-shared) and on a sim running 16 regions, register 16 different delegates with this event handler.  When an agent logs in (since it is old OpenSim and SFM is still shared), each request they make for each of the 16 regions fires off all 16 event delegates I’ve registered, totalling 256 calls instead of 16.  The data supplied will simply be whatever the final delegate in the pipeline 
2016-04-26 22:56 <colosi> happened to supply.
2016-04-26 23:06 <Melanie_T> that is what will happen
2016-04-26 23:06 <Melanie_T> unless people actually _want_ different region options, this should not be harmful
2016-04-26 23:07 <colosi> As long as it will not cause any problem or performance issue, that’s fine with me.  If people want different region options, then they will have to upgrade to a later version of OpenSim after this commit where this is supported.
2016-04-26 23:08 <colosi> Thanks for making that change Melanie_T.  I’ll revert my GMM code.
2016-04-26 23:08 <Melanie_T> you're welcome
2016-04-26 23:08 <Melanie_T> again
2016-04-26 23:09 <Melanie_T> people should not run a real value money system on something that isn't a release
2016-04-26 23:09 <Melanie_T> when we put out 0.9.0 we will start aiming for interface stability again
2016-04-26 23:09 <Melanie_T> right now it's in flux and that is needed so we can make the large scale changes major version numbers always have
2016-04-26 23:11 <colosi> Oh, I’m not worried about it being a non-release version.  I was worried about it being an old release prior to this fix.  Or are you telling me that you are correcting a modification made between the last major release and now (that this was a non-share region module in the last release - 0.8.2.1 I think).
2016-04-26 23:12 <smxy> Melanie_T: Looking at fsassets ... with everything in the DB, I can replicate the DB and know I have a copy of everything, times however many replicas I make, and backups of the DB are complete. With fsassets, I'm not going to be replicating the stuff stored on the filesystem. Also, backups of the DB aren't necessarily in sync with what's been written to the filesystem. How is replication 
2016-04-26 23:12 <smxy> and backups best done in an fsassets setup?
2016-04-26 23:28 <Melanie_T> colosi: yes older versions have it shared as well, so it will be fixed for the first time in 0.9
2016-04-26 23:29 <Melanie_T> you may want to simply check the version number
2016-04-26 23:29 <Melanie_T> or maintain two versions, one for old and one for new installations
2016-04-26 23:29 <Melanie_T> if i understood your advertising/press release correctly you will not be giving people the source for this module anyway, right?
2016-04-26 23:30 <Melanie_T> smxy: using DRBD
2016-04-26 23:30 <Melanie_T> it's disk replication 
2016-04-26 23:30 <smxy> DRBD? Hmm
2016-04-26 23:31 <smxy> Is that a free something that can be lolted onto CentOS 7?
2016-04-26 23:31 <smxy> bolted*
2016-04-26 23:33 <smxy> Hmmm, it appears so. I'll have to look into this. Thanks.
2016-04-26 23:35 <Melanie_T> yw
2016-04-26 23:35 <smxy> Melanie_T: Are there benefits to having the regionstore tables separate from the services tables? Perhaps not even separate, but say on a per-region-server basis?
2016-04-26 23:35 <smxy> Or is that going too far?
2016-04-26 23:36 <colosi> Melanie_T: we may release the code open source, but we won’t be doing that right away.  I actually don’t think it will cause a problem to have one version of our code now that we’ve removed the use of ShouldSend from our event delegate.
2016-04-26 23:36 <smxy> Just trying to think of smarter ways of doing this than everything in one big DB that gets replicated around.
2016-04-26 23:37 <Melanie_T> smxy: the prims, etc, tables should NOT be centralized
2016-04-26 23:37 <colosi> I think that will be simpler and easier to maintain and shouldn’t impact performance.  I will test it with an older version to make sure it still works.
2016-04-26 23:39 <smxy> Melanie_T: So, if you ran, say 8 regions on a server, would you have 8 region DBs, one for each, or one, for all 8? And, either way, doesn't it complicate moving rehions to other servers?
2016-04-26 23:39 <smxy> regions*
2016-04-26 23:42 <Melanie_T> smxy: we have one region db for all regions on a single host
2016-04-26 23:42 <Melanie_T> we have a data management system that ensures the data is where it needs to be
2016-04-26 23:42 <Melanie_T> it's fully automated
2016-04-26 23:43 <smxy> okay. But one db per region or multiple regions per db?
2016-04-26 23:43 <Melanie_T> multiple regions per db
2016-04-26 23:43 <smxy> one per might be easier, in that it could be easily dumped and reloaded.
2016-04-26 23:43 <Melanie_T> our system extracts the data on a per region basis using queries for region rehosting and backup purposes
2016-04-26 23:43 <smxy> hmm, okay
2016-04-26 23:44 <Melanie_T> dumping and especially reloading are exceptional operations you do in the case of catastrophic failure
2016-04-26 23:44 <Melanie_T> your normal usage should not include dumping and reloading, especially not on a regular basis
2016-04-26 23:45 <Melanie_T> a few simple sql statements can clean a multiregion database
2016-04-26 23:45 <Melanie_T> extract regions for backup
2016-04-26 23:45 <Melanie_T> or remove one that has been moved away
2016-04-26 23:45 <smxy> So your system essentialy does a selct from on DB and an update to another, possibly deleting the otiginal data in the source DB?
2016-04-26 23:45 <Melanie_T> of course avination has been taking daily backups of all databases since the beginning of time
2016-04-26 23:45 <smxy> right. backups are essential.
2016-04-26 23:46 <Melanie_T> smxy: effectively, but we have a proprietary pack format that has all of a region in it
2016-04-26 23:46 <Melanie_T> like oar in that it stored a region but unlike oar in that it doesn't carry any assets (they are assumed to exust) but instead carries script states
2016-04-26 23:47 <Melanie_T> each of our satellites can produce this file on request or load one
2016-04-26 23:47 <Melanie_T> so we load region x from server 1, upload it to server 2, then delete from server 1
2016-04-26 23:47 <Melanie_T> easy when you know how
2016-04-26 23:47 <Melanie_T> for avination it's all in a super comfortable management website
2016-04-26 23:48 <smxy> interesting. I do think that's a bit more than my huimble grid needs though. So I'm looking for something better than a single monolithic DB, but not as full-blown as your setup, that I can easily manage 50-100 regions in a smarter, yet manageable way.
2016-04-26 23:51 <Melanie_T> i hear you
2016-04-26 23:51 <Melanie_T> i our heyday we had over 1000 and neede such a setup
2016-04-26 23:51 <smxy> Yeah, you would. Manualy would have been a nightmare.
2016-04-26 23:54 <smxy> I used to have one copy of opensim per region. Then one copy per server, now it's one copy per grid (shared via nfs). I've also scripted the hell out of my typical day to day functions, to simplifiy things. And I've automated my DB backups and OAR backups. Now I'm just looking at doing something a step or two smarter with the DB.
2016-04-27 00:06 <colosi> Melanie_T: Tested with registering a lambda expression supplying the scene.  Works with your fix and works on old versions.  Thanks.
2016-04-27 00:06 <Melanie_T> you're welcome
2016-04-27 00:07 <Melanie_T> so now go on and gloe it all together ;P
2016-04-27 00:07 <smxy> Melanie_T: May I pester you with a few more non-proprietary DB questions? ;)
2016-04-27 00:08 <Melanie_T> if it doesn't stress me out ;)
2016-04-27 00:08 <smxy> It's a simple one, I think. :)
2016-04-27 00:09 <smxy> My DB has years of cruft in it. What's the best way to clean it up? I know saving off OARs and reloading into a fresh DB. IARs too, if I reset all user passwords to something I know so I can make them. What else?
2016-04-27 00:10 <Melanie_T> there is NO safe way to clean ut assets
2016-04-27 00:10 <Melanie_T> it's not supposed to be done
2016-04-27 00:10 <Melanie_T> even 12 years back LL made the decision that hard disks are cheap
2016-04-27 00:10 <Melanie_T> there is NO sure way to detect that an asset is no longer used
2016-04-27 00:10 <smxy> yes. But diva did this a while back to clean hers out, as I reecall. Saved off a bunch of stuff and then reloaded them back into a fresh db.
2016-04-27 00:10 <Melanie_T> oar takes a shot at it but it doesn't guarantee you won't lose someone's important texture
2016-04-27 00:11 <Melanie_T> diva has a closed ecosystem where all assets that may get lost are available elsewhere and can trivially be put back
2016-04-27 00:11 <Melanie_T> if it's user content you don't have that luxury
2016-04-27 00:12 <Melanie_T> so forget cleaning assets
2016-04-27 00:12 <Melanie_T> spend $100 on a 4tb disk
2016-04-27 00:12 <Melanie_T> there is no reason to risk it
2016-04-27 00:12 <Melanie_T> avination has never had to do it not in 6 years
2016-04-27 00:13 <Melanie_T> osgrid also hasn't discarded assets afaik
2016-04-27 00:13 <Melanie_T> all you stand to gain is irate users
2016-04-27 00:13 <smxy> Okay, then a different tactic. I have done things like go through my friends table and get rid of obviously broken entries. I have cleaned out strange Estates from the estate table ("fsassets" anyone?) what other ways can I surgically clean up the DB then?
2016-04-27 00:13 <Melanie_T> i don't see why you wuld want to
2016-04-27 00:13 <smxy> Or what other validations can I run to ensure it's overal health?
2016-04-27 00:14 <Melanie_T> the only table that gets large is assets
2016-04-27 00:14 <Melanie_T> fsassets gets you around that
2016-04-27 00:14 <Melanie_T> a lot of this is not a question of how but of why
2016-04-27 00:14 <Melanie_T> modern databases don't even notice the extra data
2016-04-27 00:15 <Melanie_T> so why incur downtime and possibly make users mad
2016-04-27 00:15 <smxy> You sold me on not saving and reloading. :)
2016-04-27 00:15 <Melanie_T> there are some important things that you need to check
2016-04-27 00:15 <Melanie_T> in order to preserve a good user experience
2016-04-27 00:15 <smxy> Now I'm just wanting to make sure that the overall health of what's in it (aside from assets) is okay.
2016-04-27 00:15 <Melanie_T> check that both user and friend are valid users in your DB or valid HG user ids
2016-04-27 00:15 <Melanie_T> delete those that aren't
2016-04-27 00:16 <smxy> I did that.
2016-04-27 00:16 <Melanie_T> see if users are no longer active or banned
2016-04-27 00:16 <Melanie_T> if yes, delete their inventory (inventory is the next largest database after assets!)
2016-04-27 00:16 <Melanie_T> unless you need the inventory for forensics
2016-04-27 00:16 <Melanie_T> e.g. copybot chasing
2016-04-27 00:16 <Melanie_T> but you can select out these inventories into an extra db
2016-04-27 00:17 <Melanie_T> save the index lokkups
2016-04-27 00:17 <smxy> right, then back it up, archive it and delete the db
2016-04-27 00:17 <Melanie_T> if you remove stuff from the inventory table, it _does_ profit from a dump and reload if the changes are many
2016-04-27 00:17 <Melanie_T> but no rush
2016-04-27 00:17 <Melanie_T> check that UserAccounts matches GridUser
2016-04-27 00:18 <Melanie_T> a user who is in UserAccounts but not in GrudUser has never logged in
2016-04-27 00:18 <Melanie_T> you may want to clear such records
2016-04-27 00:18 <Melanie_T> prune GridUser by date if you have HG users in there it can grow indefinitely and if a user's home point etc are not remembered after a year, who cares
2016-04-27 00:18 <Melanie_T> they can reset it
2016-04-27 00:18 <Melanie_T> same for profiles and prefs
2016-04-27 00:19 <Melanie_T> expire your group notices!
2016-04-27 00:19 <Melanie_T> they can build up!
2016-04-27 00:19 <Melanie_T> if you have real money, archive the money tables often
2016-04-27 00:20 <Melanie_T> but especially, archive the current one at tax time
2016-04-27 00:20 <Melanie_T> every once in a while, clear your regions table and the map iage server's composite tiles
2016-04-27 00:20 <smxy> I don't but that's good to mention - others may read this.
2016-04-27 00:20 <Melanie_T> then restart all sims
2016-04-27 00:20 <Melanie_T> you will fix messed up maps that way
2016-04-27 00:20 <smxy> right
2016-04-27 00:22 <smxy> Thanks for the tips. And, of course, I'll back up the DB before starting.
2016-04-27 00:23 <smxy> I am going to have to do some kind of dump and restore though, I think.
2016-04-27 00:23 <Melanie_T> for what?
2016-04-27 00:23 <smxy> I want to move the DB from mysql 5.5 to another server where it's 5.7
2016-04-27 00:23 <Melanie_T> oh ok
2016-04-27 00:24 <smxy> so I can retire the server it's on now
2016-04-27 00:24 <Melanie_T> well, you can dump and restore or you can copy the data directory across
2016-04-27 00:24 <Melanie_T> if you do the latter, you will face a few issue
2016-04-27 00:24 <smxy> yes, but that's not going to get the stuff in the mysql tables - the accounts, I mean.
2016-04-27 00:24 <Melanie_T> like newer mysql forcing passwords and no longer handling the old_passwords directive
2016-04-27 00:25 <Melanie_T> if you copy /var/lib/mysql
2016-04-27 00:25 <Melanie_T> omitting only the "mysql" subdir
2016-04-27 00:25 <Melanie_T> you will have all tables and stuff back
2016-04-27 00:25 <smxy> yes, then run the upgrade command on it ...
2016-04-27 00:25 <Melanie_T> no
2016-04-27 00:25 <Melanie_T> omitting mysql and taking that from the new install makes that unnecessary
2016-04-27 00:25 <Melanie_T> all you have to do is redo all your grants
2016-04-27 00:26 <smxy> yes, but I need to transfer what's in them, too.
2016-04-27 00:26 <Melanie_T> i don't worry much about those because we have centralized auth
2016-04-27 00:26 <smxy> ah
2016-04-27 00:26 <Melanie_T> grml
2016-04-27 00:26 <Melanie_T> if you copy the /var/lib/mysql, omitting only /var/lib/mysql/mysql
2016-04-27 00:26 <smxy> yes, I suppose reedoing the grants wouldn't be that big of a deal.
2016-04-27 00:26 <Melanie_T> then you have all content
2016-04-27 00:26 <Melanie_T> why is that so hard to understand?
2016-04-27 00:27 <smxy> no, I got it.
2016-04-27 00:27 <Melanie_T> most of your data is in ibdata1
2016-04-27 00:27 <Melanie_T> which can be HUGE
2016-04-27 00:27 <smxy> innodb stuff, right?
2016-04-27 00:27 <Melanie_T> it is definitely recommended to dump and reload if you offline-convert from assets to fsassets
2016-04-27 00:27 <Melanie_T> because the huge page list can slow tings down
2016-04-27 00:27 <Melanie_T> and it takes space needlessly
2016-04-27 00:28 <Melanie_T> if you dump with --all-databases --events
2016-04-27 00:28 <Melanie_T> you can then delete and reinitialize the /var/lib/mysql
2016-04-27 00:28 <Melanie_T> and reload
2016-04-27 00:28 <Melanie_T> the resulting ibdata1 file will be lean and mean
2016-04-27 00:29 <Melanie_T> as always with databases, backup, backup, backup. did i mention backup?
2016-04-27 00:29 <Melanie_T> and not just one
2016-04-27 00:29 <Melanie_T> make two
2016-04-27 00:29 <smxy> oh yes. because they don't always work.
2016-04-27 00:29 <Melanie_T> you may lose the world if you don't!
2016-04-27 00:29 <Melanie_T> literally
2016-04-27 00:30 <smxy> That's why I like replication. I can shutdown the slaves and if I destroy the master, I can just promote a slave.
2016-04-27 00:30 <Melanie_T> yes. we use master-master replication with additional readers tacked on
2016-04-27 00:30 <Melanie_T> and read/update routing
2016-04-27 00:31 <smxy> nice
2016-04-27 00:31 <Melanie_T> we considered ndbm but it's not ready for prime time
2016-04-27 00:31 <Melanie_T> ram based indexes - i don't like that idea
2016-04-27 00:31 <Melanie_T> it's like texas holdem with no hand and you say all in
2016-04-27 00:32 <Melanie_T> e.g. pure chance
2016-04-27 00:32 <Melanie_T> with everything to lose
2016-04-27 00:32 <smxy> I think I'd definitely want ECC RAM in those servers.
2016-04-27 00:32 <Melanie_T> and what if it gos down with uncommitted index changes?
2016-04-27 00:32 <Melanie_T> naw, not my cupof tea
2016-04-27 00:32 <Melanie_T> disk based and journaled
2016-04-27 00:33 <Melanie_T> rather lose one record than 1/4 of the db
2016-04-27 00:33 <Melanie_T> ndbm uses salami slicing
2016-04-27 00:33 <Melanie_T> so theoretically at least 2 servers should have that index and it's update
2016-04-27 00:33 <Melanie_T> but i lost my religion way back
2016-04-27 00:34 <Melanie_T> i don't believe in it
2016-04-27 00:34 <Melanie_T> also, a failed ndbcluster node can take hours to start up
2016-04-27 00:34 <smxy> My entire setup is running in VM under XenServer. I periodically snapshot and backu them all up, so I have that, if nothing else. But that's very high level. So I still do DB backups, make nightly OARs, etc.
2016-04-27 00:34 <Melanie_T> what if there are multiple failures?
2016-04-27 00:34 <smxy> VMs*
2016-04-27 00:34 <Melanie_T> avination doesn't use VMs
2016-04-27 00:35 <Melanie_T> i always recommend agains them
2016-04-27 00:35 <smxy> Kitely seems to do okay with them. :)
2016-04-27 00:35 <Melanie_T> maybe today's VMs do have a metronome HPET tick but 4 years ago they didn't
2016-04-27 00:35 <Melanie_T> and it fucks with mono
2016-04-27 00:35 <Melanie_T> i wonder if they use VMs or docker units
2016-04-27 00:35 <Melanie_T> docker != vm
2016-04-27 00:36 <smxy> True, and I don't know
2016-04-27 00:36 <smxy> Okay, I've kept you long enough. Thank you for al of the tips and ideas.
2016-04-27 00:37 <Melanie_T> you're welcome
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2016-04-28 13:42 <Sarkot> Hello, anyone here that can help me? I have a Grid with Opensim, my users will all be using Singularity. I have been trying to be able to visualize the map but all i see is a blue map with home, and avatars icons. We cant see the whole grid layout. I enabled the MapImageModule but didnt work. Any ideas?
2016-04-28 13:54 <Melanie_T> Sarkot: You also need he MapImageService in Robust and you need to set the URL the viewer sees to match that
2016-04-28 13:54 <Melanie_T> maptiles in modern viewers are pulled via http directly from the map image service, not from the region
2016-04-28 13:54 <Melanie_T> the module itself is not enough to achieve that
2016-04-28 14:04 <Sarkot> Hello, I enabled te MapImageService in Robust. In regards to the URL you mean the "LoginURL" field?
2016-04-28 14:06 <Melanie_T> No. There is a setting, and I don't know which one, that is a URL which is given to the viewer in order to direct map image requests
2016-04-28 14:06 <Melanie_T> i believe it may need to be set in the configuration for the login service
2016-04-28 14:07 <Melanie_T> and of course your mapimageservice can not be behind a firewall because viewers access it
2016-04-28 14:13 <Sarkot> well, the mapimageservice is in the same machine as the robust grid, so i guess im ok with that.
2016-04-28 14:14 <osmantis> Bug #7849:04 Console command: land show doesn't show correct owner's name of the parcel, when parcel is owned by group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7849 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-04-28 14:17 <Sarkot> i am running  0.8.2, so i guess that answer doesnt apply to me.
2016-04-28 14:17 <Sarkot> right?
2016-04-28 14:18 <Melanie_T> that mechanism hasn't changed since then
2016-04-28 14:19 <Melanie_T> MapTileURL = "${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}/";
2016-04-28 14:19 <Melanie_T> it tries to build that URL here
2016-04-28 14:19 <Melanie_T> you can replace that with a literal representation of the map image URL if needed
2016-04-28 14:20 <Melanie_T> make sure the map image service and map image module are both running
2016-04-28 14:20 <Melanie_T> and that you also give that url to the map image module
2016-04-28 14:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #4630 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-04-28 14:25 <Sarkot> finally made it work!
2016-04-28 14:26 <Sarkot> thanks a bunch
2016-04-28 14:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4630: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4630/
2016-04-28 14:27 <osjenkins> melanie: Replace the "land show" method with the better one from 0.8.
2016-04-28 15:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #4631 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-04-28 15:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4631: SUCCESS in 5 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4631/
2016-04-28 15:20 <osjenkins> melanie: Fix incorrect SQLite syntax in Migrations
2016-04-28 15:21 <H-H-H> yay build is succeding again ty :)
2016-04-28 16:12 <Sarkot> Can anyone tell me what is the AgentPreferencesServiceConnector for? It is giving me an error at Robust Startup now that I have included wifi web for my grid. This is happening because in order for wifi to work you have to change ServiceConnectors = "Opensim.Wifi.dll:WifiServerConnector" to ServiceConnectors = "Diva.Wifi.dll:WifiServerConnector"
2016-04-28 16:13 <Sarkot> Grid seems to work fine even with that error/warning, and I can't find what is that AgentPreferencesServiceConnector for
2016-04-28 16:15 <Sarkot> there is a bug report from last year that just says it happens because of using diva, but it says nothing else like if its essential or something. heres the link: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7652
2016-04-28 16:27 <Melanie_T> the agent preferences connector is a service to store things like the user's default upload permissions, etc
2016-04-28 16:36 <Sarkot> hmm
2016-04-28 16:37 <Sarkot> so it is kind of important
2016-04-28 16:37 <Sarkot> thats not good news, because i dont really know how to solve this without disabling the web interface
2016-04-28 16:39 <Sarkot> g2g now, thanks Melanie_T
2016-04-28 16:40 <Melanie_T> Sarkot: simpl
2016-04-28 16:40 <Melanie_T> run the diva in it's own copy of robust
2016-04-28 16:40 <Melanie_T> that lets you use diva storage for that module only
2016-04-28 16:40 <Melanie_T> and regular storage for the rest of the services
2016-04-28 16:41 <Sarkot> what do you mean in its own copy of robust?
2016-04-28 16:42 <Sarkot> you mean inside the [Wifiservice]?
2016-04-28 16:43 <Sarkot> oh you mean to run a robust just for using the wifi module?
2016-04-28 16:44 <osmantis> Bug #6659:04 Upload -> Set Default Permissions does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6659 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-28 16:44 <Melanie_T> Sarkot: yes
2016-04-28 16:44 <Sarkot> oh ncie
2016-04-28 16:44 <Melanie_T> a separate robust running only the wifi system
2016-04-28 16:44 <Sarkot> ill try that
2016-04-28 16:44 <Melanie_T> that solved it for me
2016-04-28 16:45 <Sarkot> not the most elegant solution but w/e
2016-04-28 16:46 <Sarkot> well i really g2g now but thanks a lot for helping me. i will report back if it works :)
2016-04-28 16:46 <Sarkot> bye!
2016-04-28 16:49 <smxy> I run Wifi in its own Robust as well. It works well that way.
2016-04-28 22:54 <Plugh> Git master has support for parcel privacy so someone outside a parcel can't see avatars in the parcel or see their text chat. Does parcel privacy extend to voice chat?
2016-04-28 22:54 <Plugh> Using Vivox for voice chat.
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2016-04-28 23:08 <smxy> Are you sure it supports privacy? Last time I asked Melanie about it ever being supported she said it wasn't needed and she didn;t like it (as I recall, fuzzily) and that people could just get regiojns and not allow access.
2016-04-28 23:08 <smxy> I wish we DID have it, personally.
2016-04-28 23:09 <smxy> Plugh^^
2016-04-28 23:12 <danbanner> parcel privacy works in 0.9
2016-04-28 23:12 <danbanner> not sure about voice
2016-04-28 23:13 <smxy> I'm surprised it worked. Melanie gave me the impression it was a "when Hell freezes over" type of thing (unless someone chose to contribute it).
2016-04-28 23:14 <smxy> Oh and congratulations on your new role, Dan.
2016-04-28 23:15 <danbanner> thx
2016-04-28 23:15 <smxy> Or should I offer my condolences? ;)
2016-04-28 23:15 <danbanner> lol
2016-04-28 23:15 <Plugh> I've got some people testing 0.9 and they said parcel privacy works. The question was about privacy of voice.
2016-04-28 23:15 <smxy> Awesome.
2016-04-28 23:15 <Plugh> Parcel privacy can be useful to have.
2016-04-28 23:16 <smxy> What about sounds?
2016-04-28 23:16 <Plugh> Don't know. I haven't been around during the testing. I just got it set up.
2016-04-28 23:16 <smxy> restricting sounds to parcel
2016-04-28 23:17 <Plugh> oh, that. Its been working for a long time, AFAIK. Should be ok unless it broke recently. 
2016-04-28 23:17 <smxy> good
2016-04-28 23:17 <Plugh> Considering the number of changes in 0.9 you could almost say all bets are off. :)  Doesn't hurt to (re-)test things.
2016-04-28 23:17 <smxy> I always thought it should have been the other way around. That rather than you restricting sounds to your parcel, you should be able to block sounds from outside your parcel. That way you don't have to ask others not to bother you with their sounds.
2016-04-28 23:18 <smxy> And hope they care enough not to.
2016-04-28 23:44 <smxy> Hrmph. High Fidelity's server is not available on Linux - just the viewer. So much for that.
2016-04-29 00:50 <osmantis> Bug #7857:04 Estate Manager can't set parcel for sale, after reclaming it to the estate owner, unless uses god power. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7857 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-29 02:54 <Plugh> smxy: BTW, you have to keep an eye on the DB if you use replication. If you have something try and output a duplicate record to the DB it can result in the slave stopping the replication process until you deal with the error.
2016-04-29 03:01 <Plugh> smxy: Somewhat annoying when you read about someone making their program available for Mac and Windows and not for Linux.
2016-04-29 03:13 <smxy> Plugh: Thanks for the replication tip. And yes, I agree. Not impressed about HF's Sandbox not being available on Linux (at least not yet). I could run it on my iMac, but I won't. So to heck with them, for now.
2016-04-29 03:19 <Plugh> yw
2016-04-29 03:19 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-04-29 03:19 <Plugh> I don't plan on looking at the HF stuff right now.
2016-04-29 03:20 <smxy> At the bottom of their main page, they have a slogan: "The Metavers starts now."
2016-04-29 03:20 <smxy> ORLY?
2016-04-29 03:21 <smxy> Metaverse*
2016-04-29 03:22 <smxy> I guess SL and OpenSim don't count.
2016-04-29 03:22 <Plugh> hehe, yeah.
2016-04-29 03:22 <Plugh> As someone would say, its just good marketing wank.
2016-04-29 03:22 <smxy> Which is odd, coming from the guy who made SL ...
2016-04-29 03:29 <Plugh> Seems to be a lot of people/companies out there that still don't think Linux has enough users to make it worth porting their program to it.
2016-04-29 03:52 <Dev_Random> until it's ubiquitous, some people/companies will be met-averse.
2016-04-29 03:58 <Dev_Random> smxy: your "block external sounds" vs "don't let my sounds out" makes all kinds of sense.  Is it logged?  One of us transient contributors might jump on that.
2016-04-29 04:08 <Plugh> The other parcels should be set to limit sound to the parcel so no sound would cross in to another parcel in the region.
2016-04-29 04:15 <Dev_Random> Plugh: but sometimes you might want to have shared sounds, with the option to opt out.  e.g. if yours is in the middle, and everyone else is sharing
2016-04-29 04:20 <Dev_Random> 
ACTION thinks Plugh is avoiding him

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2016-04-29 12:07 <smxy> Or, you might just have a dick for a neighbor, who doesn't want to limit his sounds to his parcel. Then it would be nice to check a box to not allow sounds into your parcel.
2016-04-29 12:09 <smxy> Dev_Random: No it's isn't logged, because it's not a bug, and Mantis isn't for feature requests.
2016-04-29 12:13 <Dev_Random> Good point.  It would have to be reworded to something like "Inability to block sounds from parcel belonging to neighbour who's a dick"
2016-04-29 13:55 <osmantis> Bug #7890:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp - vulnerability for taking attachment to the user's inventory - exploit 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7890 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-29 15:00 <Melanie_T> smxy, Plugh: regarding database replication: adding slave-skip-errors to the slave(s) will cause replication to continue. using well formed statements with slave operation in mind will do the rest
2016-04-29 15:00 <Melanie_T> smxy: privacy works but i don't know if it extends to voice. i would guess not
2016-04-29 15:01 <Melanie_T> smxy: restrict sounds to parce works both ways, your sounds don't get heard outside and sounds from outside don't come in
2016-04-29 15:12 <osmantis> Bug #7890:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp - vulnerability for taking attachment to the user's inventory - exploit 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7890 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-04-29 15:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #4632 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-04-29 15:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4632: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4632/
2016-04-29 15:25 <osjenkins> melanie: Prevent "Object->Take" from working on attachments.
2016-04-29 15:33 <smxy> Melanie_T: That interesting about the restrict sounds. I'd swear it didn't work that way in SL - that all it does is prevent my sounds from going out, but I'll have to look at that again.
2016-04-29 15:34 <Melanie_T> restrict sounds is implemented viewerside
2016-04-29 15:34 <Melanie_T> there is also an opensim bug that makes it not work sometimes
2016-04-29 15:34 <Melanie_T> been huntung that one for years with no success
2016-04-29 15:35 <smxy> Someday. :) Remember how long it took to track down why covenant's were getting replaced with asset xml?
2016-04-29 15:35 <smxy> That was years.
2016-04-29 15:36 <Melanie_T> as for privacy
2016-04-29 15:36 <Melanie_T> i said i don't like it and i won't implement it
2016-04-29 15:36 <Melanie_T> i said patches were welcome
2016-04-29 15:36 <smxy> I think I mentioned that.
2016-04-29 15:37 <Melanie_T> ubit who worked for me at the time implemented this on his own
2016-04-29 15:37 <smxy> ah
2016-04-29 15:37 <Melanie_T> so i had it in avination
2016-04-29 15:37 <Melanie_T> and the merge brought it to opensim
2016-04-29 15:37 <smxy> Nice. I wonder what else the merge has brought that I don't know about.
2016-04-29 15:38 <smxy> I haven't looked at the commit messages. I was away for much of the merge, dealing with the aftermath of my friend's death.
2016-04-29 15:38 <Melanie_T> the merge has brought a host of features, but more importantly, a lot of bug fixes
2016-04-29 15:39 <Melanie_T> and now people seem to finally have gotten the message that they need to use mantis to tell us what's broken
2016-04-29 15:39 <Melanie_T> i've been getting report and been able to do some fixin'
2016-04-29 15:39 <smxy> Well, now tht I'm running it on my test grid, I'll report whatever I see.
2016-04-29 15:40 <smxy> And we'll try to figure out the issues I'm having with mono 4.3.2
2016-04-29 15:41 <smxy> well, not just me. I know of at least one other grid owner that had the same issues, which  at least suggests it's not something I screwed up, but who knows. We shall see.
2016-04-29 15:55 <vegaslon> anyway to detach a temporary attachment right before someone hypergrids?
2016-04-29 20:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #4633 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-04-29 20:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4633: SUCCESS in 5 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4633/
2016-04-29 20:44 <osjenkins> * melanie: Allow default permissions from the viewer to be applied to uploaded objects.
2016-04-29 20:44 <osjenkins> * melanie: Apply user specified default perms across the board, to items uploaded as well as items created and to rezzed prims in world.
2016-04-29 20:49 <osmantis> Bug #6659:04 Upload -> Set Default Permissions does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6659 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-04-29 21:09 <Plugh> Melanie, smxy: slave-skip-errors certainly will make a difference. You can also use "slave-skip-errors=1062" to only skip errors arising from duplicate records. That way other errors that could be more serious will still be caught.
2016-04-29 21:14 <Plugh> Running MySQL without the skip lets you see what errors you may have in code that manipulates the database.
2016-04-29 21:15 <smxy> Good to know.
2016-04-29 21:16 <smxy> I've been using the Percona Toolkit to keep track of the health of my slaves. It's pretty useful.
2016-04-29 21:16 <Plugh> One situation where I saw duplicate records was from records being inserted in to the regions table. I think that was happening when I had instances get stuck that needed to be killed. When the region was started up again it assumed a proper shutdown and so went ahead and inserted a regions record in to the DB without checking if a record already existed.
2016-04-29 21:17 <Plugh> smxy: Good. I was going to give you the links to their tools.
2016-04-29 21:17 <Plugh> One of the tools lets you do a do a form of checksum on the master and slave tables to make sure they are in sync.
2016-04-29 21:18 <smxy> yup
2016-04-29 21:18 <Plugh> Skipping duplicate records could be an issue depending on what is causing the dupes.
2016-04-29 21:18 <H-H-H> 
ACTION makes note of name

2016-04-29 21:18 <smxy> As I recall, it required that all the tables be innodb though.
2016-04-29 21:19 <smxy> In ny test grid, I made them that way. I probably will in my main grid, but a big grid might not be able to.
2016-04-29 21:19 <Plugh> H-H-H: https://www.percona.com/
2016-04-29 21:19 <smxy> The tools and their Xtrabackup, which I also use, are quite nice, and free.
2016-04-29 21:19 <Plugh> smxy: hm... I would have to convert a few DB's to InnoDB if that is the case.
2016-04-29 21:20 <smxy> Check the docs. I might be rememebering wrong, but that sticks in my head.
2016-04-29 21:20 <Plugh> smxy: I keep expecting to find I run into a wall where percona says "this tool will cost X dollars". 
2016-04-29 21:21 <Plugh> smxy: Thanks for the heads up. I've been meaning to go through the Percona site in more detail, grab several of their tools, and have a look at which ones would be useful for me.
2016-04-29 21:21 <smxy> Well, they did call me on the phone several times, to see if I was interested in their consulting, but gave up after I kept telling them this was for a hobby and I couldn't afford them.
2016-04-29 21:21 <smxy> But the toolkit and Xtrabackup are free.
2016-04-29 21:22 <Plugh> yea, those were the two that I was mainly interested in getting.
2016-04-29 21:22 <Plugh> s/were/are/
2016-04-29 21:22 <H-H-H> ty
2016-04-29 21:22 <Plugh> smxy: That's also why I don't like giving out real phone numbers when registering some things on the net.
2016-04-29 21:22 <Plugh> H-H-H: yw.
2016-04-29 21:22 <smxy> They have a number of freely available white papers on how to do stuff that's useful, too.
2016-04-29 21:23 <Plugh> oh, cool. I'll have to look for that too. Not that I need more stuff to read. :P
2016-04-29 21:27 <smxy> Now, I do have a non-free tool I like, also. dbForge Studio for MySQL from devart.
2016-04-29 21:27 <Plugh> I haven't heard of that one. How does it help you?
2016-04-29 21:28 <smxy> I can do data comparisons or schema comparisons or DB backups or otherwise easily work with databases via a nice GUI.
2016-04-29 21:29 <smxy> I have the Professional version of it (but I don't recall what that gets me over the stand version, anymore).
2016-04-29 21:29 <smxy> standard*
2016-04-29 21:30 <smxy> You can do DB design and refactoring and all kinds of stuff with it.
2016-04-29 21:30 <Plugh> Found their site. Looks a bit like phpMyAdmin at first.
2016-04-29 21:30 <Plugh> Also looks like its for Windows.
2016-04-29 21:30 <smxy> Yes, I do run it in my Wondows 10 VM.
2016-04-29 21:30 <smxy> Windows*
2016-04-29 21:31 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-04-29 21:34 <smxy> 
ACTION is a Mac user, but isn't afraid to use Windows. Whatever gets the job done best, or supports the bes piece of software for the job.

2016-04-29 21:36 <H-H-H> all those things are your own opinion though :)
2016-04-29 21:37 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods to smxy

2016-04-29 21:37 <Plugh> Sort of like programming languages. Use whichever one you know, or want to use that can get the job done.
2016-04-29 21:38 <smxy> H-H-H: True. Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, and the often stink. :)
2016-04-29 21:38 <smxy> they*
2016-04-29 21:38 <H-H-H> yep lol
2016-04-29 21:39 <Plugh> hehe, yeah.
2016-04-29 21:47 <Melanie_T> 
ACTION has cleared her desk of bugs now ;)

2016-04-29 21:47 <Melanie_T> all those i have pulled in to solve are done
2016-04-29 21:55 <H-H-H> even those ones hiding under your coffe cup?
2016-04-29 21:55 <Melanie_T> they would be already squished ;)
2016-04-29 21:55 <H-H-H> lol
2016-04-29 21:55 <Melanie_T> but srsly that last one with the ermissios was a lot of work to get right
2016-04-29 21:56 <Melanie_T> there were just way too many places in opensim where permissions got dropped on the ground and replaced with hard coded fullpermness
2016-04-29 21:57 <Melanie_T> and the avination merge changed that only to drop the perms on the grund and change them to hardcoded transferness
2016-04-29 22:22 <smxy> Melanie_T: No rush, but just checking that you saw my PM?
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2016-04-30 02:43 <osmantis> Bug #7894:04 Proposition for: osSetObjectPermMask and osSetInventoryPermMask 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7894 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-04-30 10:08 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-30 20:40 <osmantis> Bug #7894:04 Proposition for: osSetObjectPermMask and osSetInventoryPermMask 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7894 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-30 22:35 <JohnnyQ> Hey, i am working on adding search an classifieds to my grid, will I need to restart the Robust server for the settings to take place.
2016-04-30 22:39 <H-H-H> i would restart as a matter of course after changing config files
2016-04-30 22:41 <JohnnyQ> ok thanks!
2016-04-30 23:15 <JohnnyQ> Melanie_T: I am being asked by my manager how long it would take to migrate data from 0.9.0.0 down to 0.8.2.1, Is that even possible?
2016-04-30 23:16 <Melanie_T> down?
2016-04-30 23:16 <H-H-H> migrate back i doubt it but forward yes as opensim does it itself
2016-04-30 23:16 <Melanie_T> you mean, go back? why would you want to do that?
2016-04-30 23:18 <JohnnyQ> I come from the background that production environments shouldnt be run on beta software, at least nothing beyond stable.
2016-04-30 23:18 <JohnnyQ> I don't know how different 9 is to the last release
2016-04-30 23:19 <Melanie_T> 9 is significantly different
2016-04-30 23:19 <Melanie_T> 9 is, however, quite special
2016-04-30 23:19 <Melanie_T> 0.8.1 was the last stable in the 0.8 series and also the last "pure" opensim 
2016-04-30 23:19 <JohnnyQ> I am woring to get search, classifieds, misc supportive services running, and it's poving rather difficult with the inconsistent documentation.
2016-04-30 23:20 <Melanie_T> 0.9 is what happened when the code base from avination was donated and merged into core
2016-04-30 23:20 <Melanie_T> the difference between that and linear development ist that, rather than arriving ar running code by deploy, report, fix
2016-04-30 23:20 <Melanie_T> the avination code has been 3 years of commercial development with according QC
2016-04-30 23:21 <Melanie_T> so a stable community code base and a stable commercial code base were intersected
2016-04-30 23:21 <Melanie_T> it's led to a few funny regressions but we got them pretty much covered
2016-04-30 23:21 <JohnnyQ> interesting
2016-04-30 23:21 <Melanie_T> and 0.9 is vastly superior to 0.8.1 in pretty much every respect
2016-04-30 23:22 <JohnnyQ> is there a separate, more complete documentation base?
2016-04-30 23:22 <Melanie_T> we will likely do a release 0.9.0 soon
2016-04-30 23:22 <Melanie_T> the additional modules like search, etc. are not really documented
2016-04-30 23:22 <Melanie_T> it's all volunteer work after all
2016-04-30 23:23 <Melanie_T> and the avination code base has no user level documentation as such because for the day to day stuff, the opensim docs apply and configuration in avination was handled in a wholly different manner
2016-04-30 23:23 <Melanie_T> it's not comparable to .ini files
2016-04-30 23:23 <Melanie_T> like every corporation, we used centralized configuration management
2016-04-30 23:24 <Melanie_T> which we didn't donate
2016-04-30 23:25 <JohnnyQ> gotcha
2016-04-30 23:25 <Melanie_T> we donated the parts of avination that would be useful to the community
2016-04-30 23:26 <Melanie_T> we didn't donate the parts that would be useful only to large grids
2016-04-30 23:26 <Melanie_T> because we paid for develpment 
2016-04-30 23:26 <Melanie_T> and there is no point in releasing that for free since only commercial enterprises would benefit
2016-04-30 23:26 <Melanie_T> so, they can either do their own footwork or contract with us for setup or buy licenses
2016-04-30 23:29 <JohnnyQ> now, I promise I am not trying to be snarky in any way here. But wouldnt documentation prove supportive to the growth in adoption? I understand the whole idea behind working at a volunteer capacity. It just seems counterproductive to release such complex software without proper documentation. As it stands,the developers and contributers, who can write the documentation, seem to be the most knowledgeab
2016-04-30 23:29 <JohnnyQ> le about this system.
2016-04-30 23:30 <JohnnyQ> I would contribute my own insightsif I knew more, but it's hitand miss for me as well.
2016-04-30 23:35 <osmantis> Bug #7894:04 Proposition for: osSetObjectPermMask and osSetInventoryPermMask 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7894 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-04-30 23:54 <smxy> JohnnyQ: It has been said here before, for whatever it's worth, that "the code is the documentation".
2016-04-30 23:59 <JohnnyQ> I do understand that, but if I want to run my own system, that then means I'd have to get an eucation in C# just to do stuff thats not human readably documented.
2016-05-01 00:00 <JohnnyQ> and there are more people out there with the will do do this, than there are people who know C# well enough to understand the code
2016-05-01 00:01 <JohnnyQ> I'm a little offput, not by the lack of information, but more the apathy at the situation.
2016-05-01 00:02 <JohnnyQ> anyhow, rant over. I'm done blowing off my steam.
2016-05-01 00:04 <H-H-H> on the other hand i would have thought it might be a good thing to learn c# and go through the code because otherwise you are blindly trusting the software your running, atleast if you learn the code and how what and why then you know what is running and that there arent any nasty backdoors or some such
2016-05-01 00:05 <H-H-H> and i might add should be expected by any company running any opensource package so they know thier data etc is safe
2016-05-01 00:05 <osmantis> Bug #7894:04 Proposition for: osSetObjectPermMask and osSetInventoryPermMask 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7894 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-01 00:05 <JohnnyQ> if I were to take that approach mate, I'd be using no software cause I couldnt read any closed source software, and I would be obligated then by the software I use, to learn the languages they are written in.
2016-05-01 00:06 <JohnnyQ> in a single instance of OpenSim, I understand the idea.
2016-05-01 00:06 <JohnnyQ> its legit.
2016-05-01 00:07 <H-H-H> hey wasnt bashing anyone :) just my 2cents :) take it how you like 
2016-05-01 00:07 <JohnnyQ> but I am a stay at home dad with no more time to study C# than the devs apparently have to write the documentation. It'sa catch 22 if you know what I mean.
2016-05-01 00:08 <JohnnyQ> no, I understand totally, last thing I want this to turn into is a flame war
2016-05-01 00:09 <H-H-H> yes i know exactly what you mean :)
2016-05-01 00:09 <Melanie_T> most coders hate writing documentation
2016-05-01 00:09 <Melanie_T> most will not do it unless paid for it
2016-05-01 00:09 <Melanie_T> it's a fact of life
2016-05-01 00:10 <osmantis> Bug #7894:04 Proposition for: osSetObjectPermMask and osSetInventoryPermMask 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7894 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-01 00:12 <osmantis> Bug #7894:04 Proposition for: osSetObjectPermMask and osSetInventoryPermMask 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7894 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-01 00:12 <JohnnyQ> lol, defeats the purpose behind writing publicly available software then. If there's no docs, then the learning curve required for people to learn how to use it remains impossibly steep. Writing docs is a necessary evil for the continued existence of software. Fact of Life.
2016-05-01 00:13 <JohnnyQ> which is why people most of the time pay for software they use. its a vicious cycle.
2016-05-01 00:14 <H-H-H> yep thats why a lot of opensource stuff never really takes of or even goes further than the person who made it and a few friends who thought it was cool lol
2016-05-01 00:16 <JohnnyQ> And I think if someone, for once, were to break the standard of documenting for the sake of longevity, then maybe things would turn out worth a darn.
2016-05-01 00:17 <JohnnyQ> accepting that something is a fact of life is a cheap excuse as far as I am concerned.
2016-05-01 00:18 <JohnnyQ> to put it in persepective....
2016-05-01 00:18 <JohnnyQ> I script in Second Life.
2016-05-01 00:19 <JohnnyQ> and if I didn't document what I did, most people wouldnt have a use for my stuff. Thats why I am the scripter and they are not.
2016-05-01 00:19 <JohnnyQ> I comment my code for gods sake
2016-05-01 00:20 <JohnnyQ> sorry, I'll be in #opensim
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2016-05-01 01:02 <osmantis> Bug #7894:04 Proposition for: osSetObjectPermMask and osSetInventoryPermMask 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7894 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-01 01:20 <osmantis> Bug #7894:04 Proposition for: osSetObjectPermMask and osSetInventoryPermMask 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7894 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-01 01:47 <osmantis> Bug #7894:04 Proposition for: osSetObjectPermMask and osSetInventoryPermMask 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7894 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-01 02:03 <osmantis> Bug #7894:04 Proposition for: osSetObjectPermMask and osSetInventoryPermMask 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7894 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-05-01 13:17 <osmantis> Bug #7848:04 Incorrect datetime value for column 'TMStamp' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7848 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-01 18:35 <osmantis> Bug #7894:04 Proposition for: osSetObjectPermMask and osSetInventoryPermMask 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7894 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-05-01 18:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #4634 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-05-01 18:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4634: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4634/
2016-05-01 18:47 <osjenkins> melanie: Change requirements for the LL god functions from CanRunConsoleCommand to IsAdministrator, a function that was not available when these were first coded and makes much more sense.
2016-05-01 19:20 <smxy> Melanie_T: Thanks to (I think) zadark, the issue with OSgrid avatars not being able to get to my grid when run under 4.3.2 (even though it works fine under 4.0.1) was resolved by adding an antry for hg.osgrid.org to my local DNS. 4.3.2 is doing something differently from 4.0.1 that causes it to fail, unless I do that.
2016-05-01 19:21 <smxy> entry*
2016-05-01 19:31 <Melanie_T> it's quite likely that osg doesn't have proper reverse set up
2016-05-01 19:31 <Melanie_T> or maybe your local nameserver isn't recursive and your ISP doesn't carry all records through
2016-05-01 19:31 <Melanie_T> maybe you should run intodns against osgrid to see what's missing there
2016-05-01 19:38 <smxy> I believe zadark said it's the reverse entry thing.
2016-05-01 19:39 <Melanie_T> that is the issue with using names, you see
2016-05-01 19:40 <Melanie_T> so you get a name and opensim will first compare it to the ip address
2016-05-01 19:40 <Melanie_T> because it doesn't know if it's a name or an ip
2016-05-01 19:40 <Melanie_T> if it doesn't match it will then reverse resolve it
2016-05-01 19:40 <Melanie_T> and compare it against the "ip address"
2016-05-01 19:40 <Melanie_T> so, if your config uses all IP addresses, this will work
2016-05-01 19:41 <Melanie_T> if your config uses namesit fill fail unless every dns is clean
2016-05-01 19:41 <Melanie_T> and few dns are
2016-05-01 19:41 <smxy> How will my use of only IP addresses solve THEIR DNS issue?
2016-05-01 19:41 <Melanie_T> i didn't write that code so i'm not authoritative on it
2016-05-01 19:41 <Melanie_T> it ay well be that they should be using ip addresses for this particular case
2016-05-01 19:42 <Melanie_T> or clean theor dns
2016-05-01 19:42 <Melanie_T> dns is really dead simple but because it is not self-checking, errors aren;t found by the machine but only by people
2016-05-01 19:43 <Melanie_T> but anyway this kind of thing is why the recommendation is to use ip addresses everywhere
2016-05-01 19:43 <smxy> Well, in this case it's Mono that is the culprit.
2016-05-01 19:43 <Melanie_T> i doubt that
2016-05-01 19:43 <Melanie_T> it is the thing that changed, yes
2016-05-01 19:44 <Melanie_T> but it changed by pulling in microsoft's code which is tighter to the standard than the old mono code was
2016-05-01 19:44 <Melanie_T> so mono actually improved
2016-05-01 19:44 <Melanie_T> but that makes it more susceptible to issues that arise from the strange way opensimhg uses ips and names
2016-05-01 19:44 <smxy> True, OSgrid's DNS should be fixed. But Mono 4.0.1 has no problem. Mono 4.3.2  does. It does something differently from 4.0.1 that makes this fail.
2016-05-01 19:45 <Melanie_T> 4.0.1 ws probably less strict as to the standards
2016-05-01 19:45 <Melanie_T> microsoft code is strict
2016-05-01 19:45 <smxy> Yes. I meant that it was the immediate cause of my issue, not the root cause.
2016-05-01 19:45 <smxy> The root cause is OSgrid's DNS.
2016-05-01 19:45 <Melanie_T> it may be something as simple as not adding a dot at the end of a ptr record
2016-05-01 19:45 <Melanie_T> many resolvers will try to resolve it by adding one if a resolve without it doesn't work
2016-05-01 19:46 <smxy> I'd never heard of "intodns" before, but it finds notheing for hg.osgrid.org or osgrid.org.
2016-05-01 19:47 <Melanie_T> finds nothing wrong, or finds no data?
2016-05-01 19:47 <smxy> finds no data
2016-05-01 19:48 <Melanie_T> their SOA is wrong
2016-05-01 19:49 <smxy> Anyway, my firewall runs a DNS forwarder for my internal systems. I put an entry for hg.osgrid.org in it and that issue, at least is - no pun intended - resolved.
2016-05-01 19:50 <Melanie_T> if you do this you will see it's not set up
2016-05-01 19:50 <Melanie_T> dig +trace -t ptr 122.16.31.64.in-addr.arpa
2016-05-01 19:50 <Melanie_T> it shows that the limestone dns which should have it let's it go to idc
2016-05-01 19:50 <Melanie_T> which doesn't have it
2016-05-01 19:51 <smxy> Yes, that sounds about what he told me. He said avacon uses the same isp so might have the same issue too.
2016-05-01 19:51 <smxy> But I don't have an avatar there to test that with.
2016-05-01 19:52 <Melanie_T> i think i only HG'd there
2016-05-01 19:52 <Melanie_T> i have avatars at some other oscc places but not avacon grid
2016-05-01 19:53 <smxy> Well, I'll watch my logs for mentions of being unable to verify identities and add entries when I see that, to try to mitigate this.
2016-05-01 19:53 <Melanie_T> you should actually tell the people who manage those servers
2016-05-01 19:53 <Melanie_T> so they get an opportunity to fix it
2016-05-01 19:54 <smxy> I will, assuming I can reach them.
2016-05-01 19:54 <Melanie_T> meanwhile, once i get a round tuit i will check to see if a workaround is possible within opensim. howeverm i only have square ones atm ;)
2016-05-01 19:55 <smxy> There was a place in Tombstone, Arizona, about 15 years ago, that was selling them. I deleiberately didn;t buy any because then I'd have no exuse ...
2016-05-01 19:55 <smxy> excuse*
2016-05-01 19:56 <Melanie_T> there is always the excuses file...
2016-05-01 19:57 <smxy> Does that still exist? :)
2016-05-01 19:57 <Melanie_T> yes
2016-05-01 19:57 <Melanie_T> but no new ones have been added in years
2016-05-01 19:57 <Melanie_T> "the dog ate it" usually still works for kids ;)
2016-05-01 20:52 <JohnnyQ> Here Melanie_T : http://www.lumpymail.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Round-Tuit.jpg
2016-05-01 20:52 <JohnnyQ> ;P
2016-05-01 20:52 <JohnnyQ> just keepin it lively today.
2016-05-01 21:26 <JohnnyQ> anyhow, with C# being my biggest obstacle. and I am kinda locked into 0.9 by host requirements, how should I proceed with getting a Hypergrid Ready Region Set up?
2016-05-01 21:36 <JohnnyQ> not region, grid, sorry. I need to get as many services up as possible.
2016-05-01 21:37 <JohnnyQ> My first specific question is then: Does the OpenSimSearch Addon listed on the wiki still work with 0.9 or is there another means to get search and classifieds and such working?
2016-05-01 21:40 <smxy> JohnnyQ: I may be wrong, but I think the best one to ask about that is Plugh, who's not here at the moment.
2016-05-01 21:41 <JohnnyQ> I will take any help I can get. What are you working with on your grid?
2016-05-01 21:41 <smxy> I use the built-in search.
2016-05-01 21:41 <smxy> My grid is not commercial, either. 
2016-05-01 21:42 <smxy> And I have about 4 residents. But I have hundreds of HG visitors coming and going.
2016-05-01 21:44 <JohnnyQ> we are quasi commercial, but thats not our main goal. Just like any public enterprise we have to do certain things to maintain our necessities.
2016-05-01 21:45 <JohnnyQ> we have managed to negotiate our prices down by accepting to self manage our own grid.
2016-05-01 21:45 <JohnnyQ> but the issue remains, there are some things that we just don't know enough about.
2016-05-01 21:46 <JohnnyQ> I'm not getting paid to come in here and ask questions and set up this grid. It's a project of passion, as I am sure most of the developers here can relate.
2016-05-01 21:48 <smxy> Yup, so you google, ask questions in here, participate in OpenSim-related g+ communities, etc., and learn. That's how most of us did it. Also, I'm a Systems Admin, not a programmer, but I have found that I've been able to understand some of the code, when I need to, though certainly not always. Enough to get the gist of what I'm looking at though. It's fairly readable, in many cases (others, 
2016-05-01 21:48 <smxy> totally incomprehensible).
2016-05-01 21:49 <smxy> You won't learn it overnight, nor should you expect to.
2016-05-01 22:04 <smxy> Do you have a Robust grid running? That's the first step. The wiki is out of date on many things but there's often enough there to help you figure stuff out.
2016-05-01 22:05 <misterblue> also,  there is a bunch of useful information scattered around the wiki. Googling for "site:opensimulator.org setup", for instance found http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Configuration and http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Installing_and_Running_Hypergrid
2016-05-01 22:05 <smxy> In IM, you say it seems like no one wants to help. But I gave you several suggestions, and misterblue, just gave another, of places you can seek answers.
2016-05-01 22:07 <smxy> As for looking in source files, I generally do that when I see an error message that I want to learn more about. I just search for it and look at the files my search shows it to be in. Then I start reading. :)
2016-05-01 22:08 <smxy> Just this monring, for example, I saw a message about something timing out, so I searched for it and found that it loops 30 times over a 1 second pause. So now I know there's a 30 second wait and then it times out. I might modify that in a future build to see if it helps my issue.
2016-05-01 22:09 <smxy> I often do that - modify code and see what happens. Success or failure, I usually learn something.
2016-05-01 22:11 <JohnnyQ> I have everything up to getting the search and classifieds systems running. I used the wiki to get everything set up, that all was fairly clear, and I could fill in the spaces where I needed to. I think that people assume that I am stuck at square one. I'm not.
2016-05-01 22:11 <smxy> Well, I did tell you who might best answer your seach questions.
2016-05-01 22:11 <smxy> They just don't happen to be here right now.
2016-05-01 22:12 <JohnnyQ> I'll wait then, fiddle around and try not to break anything.
2016-05-01 22:13 <smxy> If you have backups, there's little you can seriously damage. :)
2016-05-01 22:13 <JohnnyQ> I was rather specific about the help I needed. Just sayin.
2016-05-01 22:13 <smxy> And I gave you a specific answer.
2016-05-01 22:13 <smxy> I think that module is maintained by Plugh. He'd be the best to help you, if my memory is correct.
2016-05-01 22:15 <smxy> misterblue: I just know you're hoping my collision issue went away in the merge. :)
2016-05-01 22:15 <smxy> (So am I, TBH>)
2016-05-01 22:41 <JohnnyQ> in another note, I am working on a shell script that will aid in generating a Regions.ini for individual regions.
2016-05-01 22:41 <JohnnyQ> if you run each region in it's own instance.
2016-05-01 22:45 <smxy> Shell scripts are great. I've automated a lot of my grid maintenance that way, with a combination of tmux, and shell scripts that stuff opensim commands into the appropriate tmux windows.
2016-05-01 22:50 <smxy> I used to use screen, but found tmux easier to script.
2016-05-01 23:30 <osmantis> Bug #7857:04 Estate Manager can't set parcel for sale, after reclaming it to the estate owner, unless uses god power. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7857 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-01 23:35 <JohnnyQ> ok, now I have a specific question that is search related. And I believe the code was written by Melanie_T.
2016-05-01 23:36 <smxy> Ask. If she's around she'll likely answer. But sometimes you may have to hang here for a day or a few.
2016-05-01 23:37 <JohnnyQ> I understand, and I promise I won't act like a petualant child again.
2016-05-01 23:38 <smxy> :)
2016-05-01 23:40 <smxy> There used to be more people in the opensim channels. I had to go away from mid-October to about a month ago, and I found that there are far fewer people in the channels now and most that are there are just lurking. So patience is definitely a virtue nowadays.
2016-05-01 23:41 <JohnnyQ> I am getting an error in query.php when it gets to the xmlrpc_server_create() function. It says function not found. I saw that there are several workarounds, but I am not well enough versed in that area of PHP to reconstruct that segment of the file.
2016-05-01 23:42 <JohnnyQ> is there a way to report a bug?
2016-05-01 23:42 <JohnnyQ> Cause I did find one I could fix
2016-05-01 23:42 <JohnnyQ> rather, I did for my own purposes
2016-05-01 23:44 <smxy> There is Mantis for reporting OpenSim bugs, but if this is in the external search module those bugs aren't for Mantis. 
2016-05-01 23:45 <smxy> If this is part of the external search module, your best bet is still Plugh.
2016-05-02 00:02 <JohnnyQ> Melanie wrote the PHP it's signed by her. I figured that'd be the best place to start.
2016-05-02 00:03 <JohnnyQ> but I'll wait
2016-05-02 00:13 <smxy> Okay. 
2016-05-02 00:30 <JohnnyQ> scratch that last one, it's iportant to make sure the xmlrpc module is enabled in the php.ini file. The last issue I had is that the script was using mysql_ extensions and those have been deprecated since php5, anything moving forward should be using mysqli_ extensions on anything mysql related. 
2016-05-02 00:35 <H-H-H> there is renewed php code somewhere with all the fixes for mysqli and more plugh pointed it out before but damned if i can remember where , it was on wiki somewhere
2016-05-02 00:37 <JohnnyQ> ahhh, I just went in and find/replaced all the deprecated code, I am searching the other files also, just to be sure.
2016-05-02 00:38 <smxy> You may be looking at old code. But it's a good learning experience while you wait for Plugh to pop in.
2016-05-02 00:38 <smxy> :)
2016-05-02 00:39 <H-H-H> also you will face a lot of errors as certain statements within are coded differently to account for the mysql to mysqli switch so be prepared for more errors
2016-05-02 00:40 <H-H-H> also as mysqli expects params to be a certain way and they arent to lol its doable but not as easy as doing a find/replace
2016-05-02 00:41 <JohnnyQ> right, I got that too.
2016-05-02 00:42 <JohnnyQ> it expects result arrays and connect arrays for handling results and queries respectively
2016-05-02 00:43 <H-H-H> yep but also a totally different way round than the old code has it
2016-05-02 00:44 <JohnnyQ> right, what I mean is, manually updating it wasnt as hard, because nothing extreme or fancy was being done. all very routine stuff.
2016-05-02 00:44 <H-H-H> yep i was just giving advice (trying to help) :)
2016-05-02 00:45 <JohnnyQ> For Sure! :) much appreciated.
2016-05-02 00:46 <H-H-H> good to see more folks really trying to dig into opensim :)
2016-05-02 00:46 <JohnnyQ> I had to port over older PHP code with similar issues a while back. and then had to construct my own query strings using the same methods later, so all of that helped fix this one rather painlessly.
2016-05-02 00:46 <JohnnyQ> I did it to prove a point to our host actually. >:)
2016-05-02 00:46 <JohnnyQ> he had his IT guy go in and he came out scratching his head.
2016-05-02 00:47 <JohnnyQ> we are self managing on a special arrangement.
2016-05-02 00:49 <JohnnyQ> but I take any learning opportunity I can get. 
2016-05-02 00:50 <H-H-H> also there is something that you may not have thought of and i didnt untill plug pointed it out are the strings mysqli escaped in your version because in the original old code they werent and thats a security issue
2016-05-02 00:50 <H-H-H> plugh*
2016-05-02 00:52 <JohnnyQ> ahhh, I do remember something about that, I'll go back over it. but I think it was before and after each regex, I think.
2016-05-02 00:53 <H-H-H> there were extras put in to make all the sql queries secure
2016-05-02 00:53 <JohnnyQ> I gotcha, I understand the process, I'll look into it more, and ask if I need some help with that.
2016-05-02 00:56 <JohnnyQ> mysqli_real_escape_string
2016-05-02 00:56 <JohnnyQ> like that
2016-05-02 00:56 <JohnnyQ> you pass the queried elements through that function to keep them sterile.
2016-05-02 00:56 <JohnnyQ> ?
2016-05-02 00:57 <H-H-H> something like that 
2016-05-02 00:57 <H-H-H> i cant check mine right now as i dont have that vm up and my other vm is building stuff so needs the cpu lol
2016-05-02 01:01 <smxy> properly quoted is what you mean by sterile, I think, to prevent mysql injection attacks.
2016-05-02 01:02 <JohnnyQ> right
2016-05-02 01:50 <JohnnyQ> def need to talk to plugh about things.
2016-05-02 02:02 <JohnnyQ> There is Plugh
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2016-05-02 02:02 <JohnnyQ> Hey there, when you get your bearings, or in about......oh....*facepalm*
2016-05-02 02:02 <JohnnyQ> lol
2016-05-02 02:03 <JohnnyQ> i'll give you some time to get situated...
2016-05-02 02:03 <Plugh> Did someone say something to me just now? The tab for the channel lit up blue but I closed the tab by accident before I got to see what was said.
2016-05-02 02:05 <JohnnyQ> oh, Ive been looking for someone to discuss the OPenSimSearch
2016-05-02 02:05 <JohnnyQ> but I am getting pulled away by small creatures called children, how long will you be around?
2016-05-02 02:06 <Plugh> I'm not sure. A little while. I'm just here to pick up an email, send one, then I may have to keep an eye on a cat we just adopted today.
2016-05-02 02:07 <JohnnyQ> ahhh, ok. I've got PHP errors all the way to Timbuktu and perhaps an error from the OpenSim Console you might be able to shed light on.
2016-05-02 02:08 <Plugh> Sheesh. I'm away from the computer for most of two days and come back to find I have 238 emails waiting for me.
2016-05-02 02:08 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-05-02 02:08 <JohnnyQ> tyt, I will be afk for a short bit tending to my progeny
2016-05-02 02:08 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: First step is make sure you have the right branch of OSS for the version of OS you are running.
2016-05-02 02:09 <JohnnyQ> it's most likely the latest made, I am running 0.9 and my host will not let me downgrade.
2016-05-02 02:09 <Plugh> ok. If you can't me today, I should be easier to catch again tomorrow.
2016-05-02 02:09 <Plugh> ok
2016-05-02 02:09 <JohnnyQ> I can email you errors, or if you have a place to post them I can do that too
2016-05-02 02:09 <Plugh> I've just got my 0.9 test grid up and running so I can also check for issues.
2016-05-02 02:10 <Plugh> The site where you can download the program has a place for filing bugs/issues.
2016-05-02 02:10 <JohnnyQ> let me find that.
2016-05-02 02:11 <Plugh> I'm just turning on the machine for the first time today. Let me open a browser and I can confirm the location.
2016-05-02 02:12 <JohnnyQ> github? I have a repo by the name of Fly-man
2016-05-02 02:12 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: http://forge.opensimulator.org/kcozens/OpenSimSearch
2016-05-02 02:12 <JohnnyQ> http://forge.opensimulator.org/kcozens/OpenSimSearch
2016-05-02 02:12 <JohnnyQ> oops
2016-05-02 02:12 <JohnnyQ> ok
2016-05-02 02:12 <Plugh> Fly man did work on OSS at one point and has his fork of it.
2016-05-02 02:12 <Plugh> Its not the version I use and maintain.
2016-05-02 02:13 <JohnnyQ> ok, so I need to grab all of these and reinstall most of it. 
2016-05-02 02:14 <JohnnyQ> hey, that works for me for now. I can get that all in place and then tomorrow, let you know how it went. Likely I just have the wrong version.
2016-05-02 02:14 <Plugh> If you are also using OpenSimProfile it is available from the same site.
2016-05-02 02:15 <Plugh> I maintain the versions in forge.os.org
2016-05-02 02:15 <Plugh> sure, np. Let me know how it goes.
2016-05-02 02:15 <JohnnyQ> We might just use it. I am thinking we can help break it for you. :P
2016-05-02 02:16 <JohnnyQ> <----AWAY Fighting Caffienated Chipmunks
2016-05-02 02:16 <Plugh> hehe
2016-05-02 02:37 <smxy> Up to two cats now, Plugh? Careful - you'll end up with 5, like me. :)
2016-05-02 02:38 <H-H-H> and then they will go forth and multiply and then there will be millions
2016-05-02 02:38 <H-H-H> lol
2016-05-02 02:38 <smxy> Not mine. They were broken, so I got them fixed. :)
2016-05-02 02:39 <H-H-H> i know smxy we have chatted before :) your a good egg lol and dont let anyone tell ya different :P
2016-05-02 02:39 <smxy> I try. :)
2016-05-02 02:40 <H-H-H> gnight aand godbless folks :)
2016-05-02 02:40 <smxy> I really didn't need a 5th one, but if I hadn't taken him, he would have been put down, and I couldn't allow that, just because my aunt couldn't care for him anymore (we had to put her in assisted living last Fall).
2016-05-02 02:42 <JohnnyQ> awww, so nice
2016-05-02 02:42 <Plugh> smxy: no, just one cat. The previous cat died Feb. 20.
2016-05-02 02:43 <smxy> Awww. :(
2016-05-02 02:43 <smxy> I'm sorry to hear that.
2016-05-02 02:44 <JohnnyQ> I was happy, now I am not so happy.
2016-05-02 02:45 <smxy> That's life.
2016-05-02 02:45 <JohnnyQ> Plugh: can you verify the size of the DLL that is most current? We have one but it's almost twice the size as the one from your repo
2016-05-02 02:45 <Plugh> um... ok. Just a sec...
2016-05-02 02:46 <Plugh> smxy: yea, the family was devastated. We took him in as a stray and had him for about 10.5 years. He was a constant companion to us. We miss him greatly.
2016-05-02 02:46 <JohnnyQ> those are like the best cats, we have one that is about 9 now, and one that is almost 1
2016-05-02 02:47 <JohnnyQ> Rubi, the older one is like insanely "catty old lady" no pun intended.
2016-05-02 02:47 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: I don't remember which version of mono I used to compile the module under Linux (probably 3.12). The DLL file I have his 17408 bytes in size. 
2016-05-02 02:47 <smxy> I have a brother/sister pair that is almost 4, a brother/sister pair that is almost 14, and then my aunt's, which is almost 14. Here, in a few years, it's going to be tough as I lose the 3 older ones. 
2016-05-02 02:48 <JohnnyQ> ok, I am running windows server 2012 atm and the file we have is 28,672 bytes
2016-05-02 02:51 <JohnnyQ> Tank_Master: Welcome, how's the weather in Oregon?
2016-05-02 02:53 <JohnnyQ> or yeah?
2016-05-02 02:54 <Plugh> ok. I don't build the modules under Windows so I have no idea what file size the Windows compilers might generate.
2016-05-02 02:55 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: One of the differences could be whether the module contains debugging symbols or not.
2016-05-02 02:56 <JohnnyQ> for the sake of being thorough, I should just swap those out then?
2016-05-02 03:01 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-05-02 03:02 <Plugh> If you are building OpenSim from source you can just drag the latest source from the forge site in to your source tree, run prebuild, then compile the source files.
2016-05-02 03:08 <JohnnyQ> wish I could, I am running from an established instance.
2016-05-02 03:25 <JohnnyQ> so I'll swap out the unknown for latest and work from there.
2016-05-02 03:31 <JohnnyQ> Now here's how this is set up. I think it's resrouce intesive, but the host has it set up this way with about 60 regions already and I figure it'll be too much work changing it. We have the robust, then we have each regoin running in it's own instance
2016-05-02 03:31 <JohnnyQ> d'oh
2016-05-02 03:31 <JohnnyQ> Plugh gone
2016-05-02 03:31 <JohnnyQ> anyone know how to change the welcome mesage during login?
2016-05-02 03:38 <smxy> HG enabled?
2016-05-02 03:39 <smxy> Actually, doesn't matter. In whichever robust ini you use, look for: WelcomeMessage = "Welcome, Avatar!"
2016-05-02 03:39 <smxy> I changed mine to say "Welcome to Sanctuary!"
2016-05-02 03:43 <JohnnyQ> right now we have welcome <username> or whatever. I wasnt sure if there was a way to add a small new blurb with a link, or whatever.
2016-05-02 03:44 <JohnnyQ> like the newest post on our forums or a blog post from an RSS feed.
2016-05-02 03:44 <smxy> Running simulators and regions 1:1 is a good idea.
2016-05-02 03:44 <JohnnyQ> ok, good, we'll keep it that way then
2016-05-02 03:45 <smxy> Then you can start/stop/restart a region without affecting others. If the sim crashes, you only lose one region, etc.
2016-05-02 03:46 <JohnnyQ> makes sense, and i think I know the answer to this, but if I have to restart robust, does that affect anyone already logged in? And is there a way t broadcast a grid wide message?
2016-05-02 03:46 <smxy> Even if it is more resource intensive, I personally think it's worth it.
2016-05-02 03:47 <smxy> A quick restart of Robust won't knock anyone offline. They won't be able to TP during those few seconds though.
2016-05-02 03:48 <smxy> There is no built-in gride-wide messaging. I scripted it, myself. I send the command and it sends the same message to all regions.
2016-05-02 04:02 <JohnnyQ> do you mind sharing that with me?
2016-05-02 04:03 <JohnnyQ> or esplain how you managed?
2016-05-02 04:10 <smxy> I run all of my simulators in their own tmux window. I have a shell script that looks at the config file for the server, finds out what simulators are running there, and it stuffs the appropriate opensim command into each sim's window. That script is called by another that just ssh's to each server and calls it.
2016-05-02 04:12 <smxy> So I run: message_grid "some message"
2016-05-02 04:12 <smxy> It connects to each server and runs: message_sims "some message"
2016-05-02 04:13 <smxy> Which stuffs: alert "some message" into each sim's window. :)
2016-05-02 04:19 <smxy> You can do it that way if you run everything in screen, too. If you run them some other way, then I have no idea how you do it.
2016-05-02 04:20 <smxy> Time for bed.
2016-05-02 04:36 <osmantis> Bug #7895:04 Region crash with SIGSEGV. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7895 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-05-02 10:00 <osmantis> Bug #7895:04 Region crash with SIGSEGV. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7895 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-02 12:36 <osmantis> Bug #7895:04 Region crash with SIGSEGV. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7895 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-02 12:43 <JohnnyQ> Moanin Plugh
2016-05-02 12:44 <Plugh> hehe... That makes me think of the police officer in the TV series 'Allo, 'Allo.
2016-05-02 12:44 <Plugh> Morning, JohnnyQ
2016-05-02 12:45 <Plugh> FYI, I'm not often up this early. The new cat woke me about quarter past 5 and I never really got back to proper sleep after that so I was awake again when some others in the house started stirring.
2016-05-02 12:47 <JohnnyQ> my morning every weekday. I'd rather sleep in but the wife needs to be at work by eight, So I am up by 6:30 sharp
2016-05-02 12:48 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-05-02 12:48 <Plugh> I got to bed about 1am so I had at least 4 hours sleep before being disturbed by the cat.
2016-05-02 12:50 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: Have you solved your issues with OSS?
2016-05-02 12:52 <JohnnyQ> not yet. it seems our host and their tech support is not too keen on the intricacies of PHP version. I got busy fixing our money system last night as well as our grid map because the PHP version on our new server was 2 versions newer than the old one.
2016-05-02 12:52 <JohnnyQ> versions*
2016-05-02 12:53 <Plugh> Which version of PHP are you using?
2016-05-02 12:53 <JohnnyQ> so I spent most of the rest of my night sorting out php functions
2016-05-02 12:53 <JohnnyQ> PHP 7.0.5
2016-05-02 12:53 <Plugh> 7?
2016-05-02 12:53 <Plugh> hm...
2016-05-02 12:53 <JohnnyQ> last server was on major version 5.5
2016-05-02 12:54 <Plugh> yea. I have 5.5.9 on my own machine.
2016-05-02 12:54 <JohnnyQ> it's an odd setup
2016-05-02 12:54 <JohnnyQ> I'd be running debian or ubuntu myself, but apparently he's got a method for setting up grids.
2016-05-02 12:55 <JohnnyQ> with windows that is.
2016-05-02 12:56 <JohnnyQ> and oddly enough using MirandaDB instead of MySQL
2016-05-02 12:56 <Plugh> ok
2016-05-02 12:56 <Plugh> I know about MariaDB. I don't know MirandaDB
2016-05-02 12:57 <JohnnyQ> its not too different from MySQL, but phpmyadmin doesnt work with it, so most of the building is done through a third party program
2016-05-02 12:58 <JohnnyQ> I'm not well versed, but I figure things out regardless.
2016-05-02 13:00 <JohnnyQ> so, aside from being unfamiliar with the setup, we are working with what we have.
2016-05-02 13:02 <JohnnyQ> So I got OSS installed but there was a console error regarding something about there being more than one root node. and that was with the outgoing search or something
2016-05-02 13:02 <JohnnyQ> I'd have to check the logs
2016-05-02 13:08 <Plugh> ok.
2016-05-02 13:08 <Plugh> I will check a couple of other machines I can access to see which version of PHP they are using.
2016-05-02 13:10 <JohnnyQ> I hve a pastebin of the error, when you are ready
2016-05-02 13:15 <Plugh> sure. Go for it. :)
2016-05-02 13:15 <JohnnyQ> http://pastebin.com/5GdMaHQ0
2016-05-02 13:15 <JohnnyQ> thats in the console when search is initiated
2016-05-02 13:20 <Plugh> Can you modify the PHP code to save the query being passed to the search module?
2016-05-02 13:25 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: PHP 7 might be more strict about what it is accepting in XML formatted data.
2016-05-02 13:26 <JohnnyQ> hmmm, may have to loosen that up.
2016-05-02 13:26 <JohnnyQ> Sure, I'll export the query results to an XML
2016-05-02 13:28 <Plugh> I have a saved query at my end. I'll look for a site that can validate XML and see what it has to say.
2016-05-02 13:35 <Plugh> One of the queries I had saved passes an XML query. If you can save a query that generates that duplicate root message I will check it and see if the module code needs a fix.
2016-05-02 13:35 <JohnnyQ> how did you manage?
2016-05-02 13:35 <JohnnyQ> I am less familiar with most of this.
2016-05-02 13:36 <Plugh> http://pastebin.com/f9CecVgX
2016-05-02 13:38 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: What type of search triggers the error message?
2016-05-02 13:38 <JohnnyQ> my internet is being screwy
2016-05-02 13:38 <JohnnyQ> I am getting that on an everything search
2016-05-02 13:38 <Plugh> Search for people, events, places, ... ?
2016-05-02 13:39 <JohnnyQ> I have two parcels, and a couple objects set to be on search
2016-05-02 13:39 <Plugh> ok, that is odd. 
2016-05-02 13:40 <Plugh> When you connection behaves itself you can see what I did to save the xml. BTW, create an empty log file by and make sure the webbserver has perms to write to it before you try and capture queries.
2016-05-02 13:40 <JohnnyQ> right
2016-05-02 13:41 <Plugh> bbl. It is about time I go have breakfast.
2016-05-02 13:43 <JohnnyQ> OK, and aparently name resolution is giving me problems for pstebins
2016-05-02 13:55 <JohnnyQ> ok, got a query
2016-05-02 14:16 <Plugh> ok, good.
2016-05-02 14:19 <JohnnyQ> http://pastebin.com/UXgNwxXZ
2016-05-02 14:25 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: That query is also tossing out a dupe root error message?
2016-05-02 14:27 <JohnnyQ> yes
2016-05-02 14:27 <JohnnyQ> every query is
2016-05-02 14:27 <JohnnyQ> brb
2016-05-02 14:31 <Plugh> hm... Looking at your original pastebin once more I'm thinking that the error may be in the data being returned to OpenSim.
2016-05-02 14:34 <Plugh> The returned data from a dir_events_query returned valid xml.
2016-05-02 14:35 <JohnnyQ> ok
2016-05-02 14:37 <Plugh> dir_land_query also returns valid xml according to the validation site I'm using.
2016-05-02 14:37 <Plugh> I'll check the test grid I have running to see if those errors are showing up.
2016-05-02 14:38 <JohnnyQ> ok, so let me check the region log and see if there is any erros after a restart
2016-05-02 14:54 <Plugh> ok
2016-05-02 15:05 <JohnnyQ> Nothing on that end.
2016-05-02 15:05 <JohnnyQ> could there be something wrong with the parser?
2016-05-02 15:05 <JohnnyQ> with the newer PHP I mean
2016-05-02 15:07 <JohnnyQ> Is there a way to get php to accept depracated tags?
2016-05-02 15:34 <osmantis> Bug #7897:04 NPC Are Not Ignored By Access List 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7897 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-05-02 15:36 <osmantis> Bug #7857:04 Estate Manager can't set parcel for sale, after reclaming it to the estate owner, unless uses god power. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7857 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-02 15:39 <Melanie_T> JohnnyQ: i'm here now
2016-05-02 15:41 <osmantis> Bug #7897:04 NPC Are Not Ignored By Access List 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-02 16:09 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: Which deprecated tags?
2016-05-02 17:49 <osmantis> Bug #7897:04 NPC Are Not Ignored By Access List 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-02 18:06 <JohnnyQ> Pugh
2016-05-02 18:07 <JohnnyQ> my compter is going through somethinng right now,ill cat h you wen ive got everything working
2016-05-02 18:16 <Plugh> np
2016-05-02 18:56 <osmantis> Bug #7857:04 Estate Manager can't set parcel for sale, after reclaming it to the estate owner, unless uses god power. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7857 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-02 19:41 <osmantis> Bug #7857:04 Estate Manager can't set parcel for sale, after reclaming it to the estate owner, unless uses god power. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7857 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-05-02 19:41 <smxy> I think you should make it knit, myself. :)
2016-05-02 19:43 <Melanie_T> maybe sew
2016-05-02 19:44 <smxy> darn
2016-05-02 19:46 <H-H-H> dont make me laugh i might get a stich
2016-05-02 19:46 <H-H-H> or even a stitch
2016-05-02 19:47 <smxy> ha!
2016-05-02 19:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #4635 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-05-02 19:49 <smxy> Then we'd have to bind you.
2016-05-02 19:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4635: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4635/
2016-05-02 19:53 <osjenkins> melanie: According to the SL wiki, estate managers can set parcels for sale. Make it sew.
2016-05-02 19:56 <H-H-H> man thats such a stich up :P
2016-05-02 19:59 <smxy> 
ACTION thinks maybe you should fasten your lips. :)

2016-05-02 20:02 <H-H-H> nah someones goto keep the tumble weeds company
2016-05-02 21:15 <AliciaRaven2> just heard two loud bangs, shook my whole house and internet says they were heard all over north of england, i almost had heart attack, must be sonic booms lol
2016-05-02 21:15 <Melanie_T> nicola sturgeon detonated trident lol
2016-05-02 21:16 <AliciaRaven2> lol
2016-05-02 21:16 <AliciaRaven2> omg i need a drink after a shock like that
2016-05-02 21:43 <AliciaRaven2> aliner went off course and was escorted by quick responce typoon jets to new castle airport
2016-05-02 21:49 <smxy> Yeah, since 9/11, people get antsy about jetliners off-course.
2016-05-02 21:58 <AliciaRaven2> my cat is still scared
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2016-05-03 02:54 <osmantis> Bug #7895:04 Region crash with SIGSEGV. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7895 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-03 03:19 <osmantis> Bug #7897:04 NPC Are Not Ignored By Access List 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7897 ): has been set as DUPLICATE OF issue 0007795.
2016-05-03 03:19 <osmantis> Bug #7795:04 When rezzed, NPCs drift to edge of sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7795 ): The issue 0007897 has been set as DUPLICATE OF the following issue.
2016-05-03 11:38 <osmantis> Bug #7891:04 Exception on shutdown 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7891 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-03 11:47 <smxy> zadarkAlt: So far, so good. No crashes yet.
2016-05-03 12:23 <Sarkot> Hi, does anyone use Singularity viewer?
2016-05-03 13:09 <velus> i do now and then
2016-05-03 14:45 <Sarkot> Can someone tell me if its still possible to make Singularity Viewer to autlogin?
2016-05-03 14:46 <Sarkot> It would be really cool to be able to
2016-05-03 14:47 <Sarkot> I tried using --autologin on the as an input argument but it makes the viewer to crash
2016-05-03 14:52 <H-H-H> might try asking in the singularity chan 
2016-05-03 14:52 <H-H-H> #SingularityViewer
2016-05-03 14:57 <osmantis> Bug #7897:04 NPC Are Not Ignored By Access List 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-03 15:02 <osmantis> Bug #7896:04 PRIM_TYPE reports incorrectly when flexi-prim is enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7896 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-03 15:15 <Sarkot> didnt even know there was one
2016-05-03 15:15 <Sarkot> thanks
2016-05-03 15:27 <H-H-H> it is listed in the viewer itself if i remember rightly under the help menu
2016-05-03 15:37 <osmantis> Bug #7897:04 NPC Are Not Ignored By Access List 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-03 16:39 <osmantis> Bug #7897:04 NPC Are Not Ignored By Access List 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-03 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #7898:04 Correction for fix - Estate Manager can set parcels for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7898 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2016-05-04 02:49 <osmantis> Bug #7898:04 Correction for fix - Estate Manager can set parcels for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7898 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-04 05:52 <osmantis> Bug #7898:04 Correction for fix - Estate Manager can set parcels for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7898 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-04 16:13 <smxy> Melanie_: So, I had another grid where people from there couldn't get to my grid, and the failure was identical to what I saw with OSgrid, so I added a local entry for their host, which got it working, and told them their DNS was bad. They've come back and asked "How?". I don't see anything wrong with their A, PTR or SOA records. The host is hg.creanovale.ca and I can't find anything wrong. 
2016-05-04 16:13 <smxy> So I'm left wondering what to tell them, aside from "Melanie said to tell you it was bad."
2016-05-04 16:24 <Plugh> smxy: One thing to consider is whether the problem might be with reverse DNS or if the TTL value needs to be upped.
2016-05-04 16:57 <Melanie_> http://pastebin.com/Yg80c1xZ
2016-05-04 16:58 <Melanie_> smxy: hg.creanovale.ca resolves to 209.126.208.163 which resolves to ubuntu12208163.aspadmin.net.
2016-05-04 16:58 <Melanie_> so the host doesn't pass the double reverse lookup test commonly used to detect spammers/phishers, etc
2016-05-04 17:19 <Plugh> hm... aspadmin.net sounds like an server hosting service.
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2016-05-04 19:16 <smxy> Um, whn I looked it up, I got a different reverse lookup.
2016-05-04 19:17 <smxy> Let me do that again
2016-05-04 19:18 <smxy> Yes, plugh, they said they are hosted.
2016-05-04 19:19 <Plugh> The hosting service should provide a means of setting the reverse DNS mapping for the IP assigned to the server.
2016-05-04 19:20 <Plugh> I manage some machines provided by a hosting service. One of the steps I perform when setting up a new machine is to change the entry for the reverse DNS.
2016-05-04 19:20 <smxy> Melanie_: This is what I get, that looks right to me: http://pastebin.com/csu0fyE2
2016-05-04 19:22 <smxy> wait. I wonder if that host command is being influenced by the local entry in my DNS forwarder. I bet it is. Let me do that from my work machine.
2016-05-04 19:22 <Plugh> smxy:$ host 209.126.208.163
2016-05-04 19:22 <Plugh> 163.208.126.209.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer ubuntu12208163.aspadmin.net.
2016-05-04 19:22 <smxy> Yes, I bet my local entry is rewriting it (which is why they can get to my grid now).
2016-05-04 19:22 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-05-04 19:23 <Melanie_> smxy: correct, which is why I use +trace
2016-05-04 19:23 <Melanie_> it ignores local data
2016-05-04 19:23 <smxy> Yup. My work machine reports what you two see.
2016-05-04 19:23 <smxy> I'll let them know. Thanks.
2016-05-04 19:24 <Melanie_> yw
2016-05-04 19:24 <smxy> +trace? as a dig arg?
2016-05-04 19:24 <smxy> or host arg?
2016-05-04 19:27 <Plugh> I still tend to use 'nslookup'.
2016-05-04 19:27 <Plugh> smxy: The man page mentions it as an arg for dig.
2016-05-04 19:34 <smxy> That didn;t get me much info when I added that. I'll play around with it.
2016-05-04 19:35 <smxy> My pfSense firewall is a "smart" firewall, as evidenced ny it automagically creating the correct local PR entry when I added the local A record. It may be trying to outsmart my dig command too. :)
2016-05-04 19:35 <smxy> PTR*
2016-05-04 20:18 <Melanie_> you may need to go around it
2016-05-04 20:18 <Melanie_> use dig +trace -t <type> <query> @a.root-servers.net
2016-05-04 20:19 <Melanie_> that will prevent local shortcicuiting
2016-05-04 20:45 <osmantis> Bug #7898:04 Correction for fix - Estate Manager can set parcels for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7898 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-04 21:13 <smxy> Well, one thing's for sure. My own reverse PTR doesn't match. I didn't expect it to. I'm home-hosted on a cable link with a dynamic IP. I use DynDNS to publish my sanctuary.homelinux.org name with whatever IP I currently have.
2016-05-04 21:14 <smxy> It's quite likely I'll never be able to have it match.
2016-05-04 21:16 <smxy> If newer monos are going to enforce that the PTR record must be correct, it's going to eventually make home-hosting impossible, I think.
2016-05-04 21:17 <smxy> There ought to be a way to disable that, if we wish.
2016-05-04 21:34 <osmantis> Bug #7898:04 Correction for fix - Estate Manager can set parcels for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7898 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-04 21:57 <osmantis> Bug #7898:04 Correction for fix - Estate Manager can set parcels for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7898 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-04 22:40 <osmantis> Bug #7898:04 Correction for fix - Estate Manager can set parcels for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7898 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-05 00:15 <osmantis> Bug #7899:04 Console error messages from HTTP module while serving ManagedStats query. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7899 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-05-05 00:34 <osmantis> Bug #7899:04 Console error messages from HTTP module while serving ManagedStats query. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7899 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-05 00:51 <osmantis> Bug #7899:04 Console error messages from HTTP module while serving ManagedStats query. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7899 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-05 01:35 <osmantis> Bug #7899:04 Console error messages from HTTP module while serving ManagedStats query. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7899 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-05 14:51 <osmantis> Bug #7900:04 Crash due to setting Thread.name after thread start. [PATCH] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7900 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-05-05 15:33 <smxy> Melanie_: This was the response from hg.creanovale.ca's hosting provider: http://pastebin.com/fyJPJVcJ
2016-05-05 16:11 <smxy> Melanie_: It seems to me this restriction that the PTR must match the A record *must* be lifted, unless one's intent *is* to eliminate the ability of residents of hosted and home-hosted OpenSim installations from teleporting to other grids.
2016-05-05 16:30 <zadarkAlt> The are ways (experimental hack) to perform DNS lookups from within opensim without the additional PTR resolution requirements. This will require a number of changes to the HG comms and will need to be agreed at least in principle.
2016-05-05 16:33 <Melanie_> i believe restricting connections to those that have clean reverse dns is overkill
2016-05-05 16:33 <Melanie_> i don't know what the mono people have done there and it bears investigation
2016-05-05 16:33 <Melanie_> tha said, opensim should never be deployed to shared hosts
2016-05-05 16:33 <Melanie_> mono requires a monotonously incrementing HPET
2016-05-05 16:34 <Melanie_> shared hosts, e.g. VMs, don't offer this. Their HPET fires in fits and start
2016-05-05 16:34 <Melanie_> s
2016-05-05 16:34 <Melanie_> that causes issues for the GC, among other bits
2016-05-05 16:34 <Melanie_> so opensim should always be deployed to bare metal or to a machine that is dedicated to virtualization
2016-05-05 16:35 <Melanie_> never to a VM that was set up as an afterthought on a shared web host
2016-05-05 16:35 <zadarkAlt> There are 2 methods DNS could use, GetHostAddresses or GetHostEntry, seems as though   WebRequest.Create uses the later
2016-05-05 16:36 <Melanie_> the issue is this
2016-05-05 16:36 <Melanie_> we receive a name
2016-05-05 16:36 <Melanie_> we stre that name somewhere
2016-05-05 16:36 <Melanie_> we hand the ip address (in the form of an IPEndpoint) to another thread
2016-05-05 16:36 <Melanie_> it needs the name, so does a reverse on it
2016-05-05 16:37 <Melanie_> the name returned is pater compared to the name originally sent
2016-05-05 16:37 <Melanie_> and doesn't match
2016-05-05 16:37 <Melanie_> earlier mono had a DNS caching mechanism that, when it forward-resolved a name, stored that reslution and did the reverse from cache
2016-05-05 16:37 <Melanie_> mono 4.3 doesn't do this anymore, but instead always queries the dns server
2016-05-05 16:38 <Melanie_> which is why the same broken code works on 4.0 but not on 4.3
2016-05-05 16:38 <Melanie_> it's been passively depending on a dns cache that now no longer exists
2016-05-05 16:38 <zadarkAlt> Thinks mono have there mobile app head on
2016-05-05 16:38 <Melanie_> the solution can only be to not do any reverse lookups, but to pass the name along with the IPEndpoint
2016-05-05 16:39 <Melanie_> well, they only make money on mobile
2016-05-05 16:39 <Melanie_> it's called the mobile revolution
2016-05-05 16:39 <Melanie_> more than 50% of alll web access is now from devices, not pcs
2016-05-05 16:40 <zadarkAlt> true
2016-05-05 16:40 <Melanie_> and more than 30% of accesses from devices are through dedicated apps
2016-05-05 16:40 <Melanie_> the ability to write apps that can be compiled for ios and android from the same source is worth a lot of money
2016-05-05 16:40 <Melanie_> mono has it
2016-05-05 16:40 <Melanie_> everyone and their grandmother are writing apps now
2016-05-05 16:41 <Melanie_> facebook has a generic app platform you can personalize with a bit of artwork and have as a downloadable app
2016-05-05 16:41 <Melanie_> but it really only takes content from facebook, so in order to maintain app content the content creator just has to use facebook
2016-05-05 16:41 <Melanie_> and the rest falls in place naturally, no programming knowledge required
2016-05-05 16:42 <Melanie_> swift, qt-quick, xamarin mono
2016-05-05 16:42 <Melanie_> all approaches to a unified app platform
2016-05-05 16:42 <zadarkAlt> The question is should opensim manage the hosted deployments?
2016-05-05 16:42 <Melanie_> the future is the mobile app and pundita say that 10 years down the line 30% of households will no longer have a pc
2016-05-05 16:42 <zadarkAlt> agree
2016-05-05 16:43 <Melanie_> pundits*
2016-05-05 16:43 <Melanie_> and yes, the opensim code must be fixed to handle bad reverse
2016-05-05 16:44 <zadarkAlt> Would you like someone to do that, or should we wait for HG idev input?
2016-05-05 16:44 <Melanie_> if someone would step up, we would certainly consider the submissions
2016-05-05 16:45 <Melanie_> whoever thinks of volunteering should liaise with diva or myself
2016-05-05 16:45 <Melanie_> early on to discuss ways to solve this without creating work that we can't accept because of architectural considerations
2016-05-05 16:47 <zadarkAlt> Ok will give it a shot, but will not be an overnight affair, testing at least will take several dys, with my set up.
2016-05-05 16:47 <zadarkAlt> Agree on architectual discussion of course
2016-05-05 16:48 <zadarkAlt> I did find that the mono estriction came in with 4.3.2, was not that way on 4.3.0
2016-05-05 16:49 <zadarkAlt> so those on 4.3.2 may need to consider going back a few issue in the mean time
2016-05-05 17:23 <smxy> I'm glad to see you agree this must be dealt with. I don't think it would be appropriate to not allow hosted/home-hosted deployments just because of this. You'd loose all but the commercial grids, I think.
2016-05-05 17:28 <smxy> And I disagree about it not running on VMs. It runs just fine on them, at least for me. My grid has always been noted for being very stable. You should use top-noth virtualization and a modern OS in your VMs, I think, but it can be done. I, personally, use CentOS, and I believe starting with version 6 the ticks were, indeed changed and it improved it's ability to run in a VM. Other things 
2016-05-05 17:28 <smxy> have changed too. I really don't think that's a concern.
2016-05-05 17:28 <Melanie_> it works on recent virtualizations when the machine is set up with the intent to virtualize
2016-05-05 17:29 <Melanie_> it doesn't work when a shared hoster sees space capacity and decides to make a quick buck
2016-05-05 17:29 <Melanie_> by putting in a VM on top of a shared host
2016-05-05 17:29 <Melanie_> that will not work
2016-05-05 17:29 <Melanie_> and never can work
2016-05-05 17:29 <Melanie_> because there are too many processes with varying loads on the host system
2016-05-05 17:30 <Melanie_> which will impact the guests
2016-05-05 17:31 <smxy> I can't speak for them. My setup run Citrix XenServer on the bare metal and the VMs in that. The same as you would for VMware, for example.
2016-05-05 17:31 <Plugh> If OS got a name and used it to get an IP why does it need to do reverse DNS?
2016-05-05 17:31 <Melanie_> yes. that is a machine dedicated to virtualization where the hypervisor has full control
2016-05-05 17:31 <Melanie_> it will usually work unless misconfigured
2016-05-05 17:31 <Plugh> or is it something in mono doing the reverse lookups?
2016-05-05 17:32 <Melanie_> Plugh: mono used to cache DNS results
2016-05-05 17:32 <Plugh> I saw that but what is doing reverse DNS and why?
2016-05-05 17:32 <Melanie_> if a reverse was atttempted while the forward was cached, the forward cache would be returned
2016-05-05 17:33 <Melanie_> because opensim passes around IPEndpoint structures internally
2016-05-05 17:33 <Melanie_> they don't contain names
2016-05-05 17:33 <Melanie_> so if a name is needed a reverse is done
2016-05-05 17:33 <Plugh> If it has the IP for connections why does it need the name at somepoint?
2016-05-05 17:34 <Melanie_> because HG uses names for security
2016-05-05 17:34 <Plugh> oh, ok. 
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2016-05-06 03:59 <osmantis> Bug #7901:04 Feature - Additional Permissions Class for Region Script Engine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7901 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-05-06 11:28 <JeffKelley> do wifi-0.8 work with opensim 0.9 ?
2016-05-06 11:47 <smxy> JeffKelley: I can't say that I've actually tested it yet, but mine does at least start cleanly.
2016-05-06 12:24 <JeffKelley> i get errors loading IAgentPreferencesService and UserAccountService
2016-05-06 12:45 <JeffKelley> it works if I omit the optional StorageProvider in [DatabaseService] , I just miss the user count
2016-05-06 12:46 <JeffKelley> anyway, I don't like the idea of patching my Robust.ini, I'm trying an include
2016-05-06 12:59 <JeffKelley> smxy : did you ever try an Include in Robust.ini ?
2016-05-06 13:59 <smxy> JeffKelley: Not that I recall. What do you need an Include for?
2016-05-06 14:00 <smxy> I do have a user count.
2016-05-06 14:01 <JeffKelley> i would like to put all wifi config in an include
2016-05-06 14:02 <smxy> It doesn't go in Robust.ini
2016-05-06 14:02 <smxy> Wifi is a Mono add-in now. It has its own config file.
2016-05-06 14:03 <JeffKelley> i'm using wifi 0.8
2016-05-06 14:03 <smxy> 0.8.1.0.4
2016-05-06 14:04 <smxy> That's my version of Wifi
2016-05-06 14:04 <JeffKelley> from metaverseink ?
2016-05-06 14:04 <smxy> Yes
2016-05-06 14:05 <JeffKelley> okay, this is the missing piece : http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/diva-addons/wifi-and-other-diva-addons/
2016-05-06 14:05 <smxy> I set it a year or so ago, I think.
2016-05-06 14:05 <smxy> set it up*
2016-05-06 14:05 <smxy> I also moved it to it's own robust.
2016-05-06 14:15 <JeffKelley> so, I remove all wifi-related things from Robust.ini and I link it to my addins[-registry, -config]
2016-05-06 14:16 <JeffKelley> and run mautil.exe from the bin folder
2016-05-06 18:06 <osmantis> Bug #7901:04 Feature - Additional Permissions Class for Region Script Engine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7901 ): has been UPDATED.
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2016-05-07 16:11 <osmantis> Bug #7900:04 Crash due to setting Thread.name after thread start. [PATCH] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7900 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-07 16:23 <osmantis> Bug #7902:04 Adding osNpcLookat function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7902 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-05-07 17:02 <osmantis> Bug #7902:04 Adding osNpcLookat function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7902 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-05-07 18:55 <JeffKelley> reminds me than I must write osDie
2016-05-07 19:05 <danbanner> alternative to llDie?
2016-05-07 19:06 <JeffKelley> osDie (key), remote killing
2016-05-07 19:07 <danbanner> nice
2016-05-07 19:08 <JeffKelley> you can do anything you want to random prims with osSetPrimitiveParams, except derezing
2016-05-07 19:10 <danbanner> ya
2016-05-07 19:11 <danbanner> you seen the recent mantis about llDie?
2016-05-07 19:11 <JeffKelley> mass llDie ?
2016-05-07 19:11 <JeffKelley> leaving ghosts ?
2016-05-07 19:11 <danbanner> et me find it
2016-05-07 19:11 <danbanner> ya 
2016-05-07 19:11 <JeffKelley> yes, i repro'd it
2016-05-07 19:11 <danbanner> like scene isnt getting updated
2016-05-07 19:12 <JeffKelley> they do not really exist
2016-05-07 19:12 <danbanner> right
2016-05-07 19:12 <danbanner> wonder why the viewer still seeing it on 0.9 but doesnt happen on 0.8.x
2016-05-07 19:14 <JeffKelley> just cloned a medium-sized grid to 0.9 and unleashed angry avatars inside
2016-05-07 19:14 <JeffKelley> waiting for angry reports :)
2016-05-07 19:15 <danbanner> oh cool
2016-05-07 19:15 <danbanner> one way to get feedback
2016-05-07 19:15 <JeffKelley> OSGrid do that better than me
2016-05-07 19:16 <danbanner> making landmarks on 0.9 from HG would be a very nice fix too
2016-05-07 19:16 <JeffKelley> wonder why nobody cries 'i'm floating over seats'
2016-05-07 19:17 <danbanner> i already changed all the sit positions for plazas and the regions i have
2016-05-07 19:17 <danbanner> not that hard to adapt
2016-05-07 19:17 <JeffKelley> seat-by-seat ?
2016-05-07 19:18 <danbanner> some places i change one seat and delete the rest and copy the new seat
2016-05-07 19:18 <danbanner> other places i had to go seat by seat
2016-05-07 19:18 <JeffKelley> what about rezed seats ?
2016-05-07 19:18 <danbanner> still didnt take that long
2016-05-07 19:19 <danbanner> places like lbsa only took 5 mins seat by seat
2016-05-07 19:19 <JeffKelley> i can't event count them on the grids i manage
2016-05-07 19:20 <JeffKelley> maybe this MANTIS needs a bump, it was incorrectly labeled
2016-05-07 19:21 <danbanner> the landmark one?
2016-05-07 19:21 <JeffKelley> the seats one
2016-05-07 19:21 <danbanner> ahh
2016-05-07 19:22 <danbanner> what number is it?
2016-05-07 19:22 <JeffKelley> 7820
2016-05-07 19:23 <danbanner> ya the LegacySitOffsets thing
2016-05-07 20:15 <Melanie_> well, it's really best to convert things to the new sit offset mechanism
2016-05-07 20:15 <Melanie_> it just has the better math and it exactly matches sl
2016-05-07 20:16 <Melanie_> it doesn't have the icky magic numbers
2016-05-07 20:16 <JeffKelley> you want us to change thousands of seats in hundreds of regions on the hypergrid, Melanie_ ?
2016-05-07 20:16 <Melanie_> it's not like one person has to do them all
2016-05-07 20:17 <Melanie_> and as i said, i said i think it's best
2016-05-07 20:17 <Melanie_> but i believe the legacy option does exist, or doesn't it?
2016-05-07 20:17 <Melanie_> so everyone who's backward-looking or lazy can use it :P
2016-05-07 20:17 <JeffKelley> the legacy option doesn't work
2016-05-07 20:17 <Melanie_> oh?
2016-05-07 20:17 <Melanie_> then best to bump that mants
2016-05-07 20:18 <Melanie_> as it's not in my list of needed fixes
2016-05-07 20:18 <Melanie_> that i've been working from for the past few weeks
2016-05-07 20:18 <Melanie_> i thought it was fixed
2016-05-07 20:19 <JeffKelley> bump or rewrite since it was labeled 'osNpcSit does not work well'
2016-05-07 20:19 <Melanie_> yep
2016-05-07 20:19 <JeffKelley> and that's not an issue with NPCs
2016-05-07 20:19 <JeffKelley> i can do that
2016-05-07 20:19 <Melanie_> yes it's a general scripted sit issue
2016-05-07 20:19 <JeffKelley> unscripted
2016-05-07 20:19 <Melanie_> oh? i thought it affected scripted sit
2016-05-07 20:20 <Melanie_> unscripted sit didn't work at all in 0.8.1
2016-05-07 20:20 <JeffKelley> SitTarget is a property of the prim
2016-05-07 20:20 <Melanie_> a set sit target is still a scripted sit
2016-05-07 20:20 <JeffKelley> yes, targeted sits work in .8.*
2016-05-07 20:20 <Melanie_> iif a sit target is set, it's called a scripted sit
2016-05-07 20:20 <Melanie_> even if the script is removed later
2016-05-07 20:21 <JeffKelley> and of coure it is removed
2016-05-07 20:22 <Melanie_> not a matter of course
2016-05-07 20:22 <Melanie_> if you also want to use a custom animation, you would not remove the script
2016-05-07 20:22 <Melanie_> regardless, if a script is used to set the target, the scene sees that as a scripted sit
2016-05-07 20:22 <Melanie_> while an unscripted sit is when physics determines position and direction to sit
2016-05-07 20:23 <JeffKelley> i called them targeted seats
2016-05-07 20:23 <Melanie_> there is only scripted and unscripted as far as the scene goes
2016-05-07 20:23 <Melanie_> please don't muddy the waters
2016-05-07 20:23 <Melanie_> it's called a scripted sit
2016-05-07 20:24 <Melanie_> if you don't call it that, devs won't know what you mean
2016-05-07 20:24 <JeffKelley> it's called a scripted sit but there is no script in it
2016-05-07 20:24 <Melanie_> doesn't matter
2016-05-07 20:24 <Melanie_> it's still called a scripted sit
2016-05-07 20:24 <JeffKelley> i agree to call it scripted sit when talking with the developers
2016-05-07 20:25 <danbanner> ever since the first sit position change i stopped removing the scripts used to set them
2016-05-07 20:26 <JeffKelley> i delete all SitTarget, SetText, TextureAnim, TargetOmega and my sims start faster
2016-05-07 20:27 <danbanner> ya
2016-05-07 20:27 <Melanie_> if your sims are slow to start you may have the option set to delete scripts on startup. that is NOT the recommended setting
2016-05-07 20:27 <Melanie_> you should unset that option, sims will start quicker without it
2016-05-07 20:27 <JeffKelley> i never delete scripts on startup
2016-05-07 20:28 <Melanie_> ok
2016-05-07 20:28 <Melanie_> also, appdomainloading is fine for developing scripts
2016-05-07 20:28 <Melanie_> but it's deadly on a production sim
2016-05-07 20:28 <Melanie_> you should have that off always
2016-05-07 20:28 <JeffKelley> do inactive scripts (not waiting for an event) consumes memory/threads ?
2016-05-07 20:29 <Melanie_> unless you expext to develop scripts and re-seave a script hundreds of times for debugging
2016-05-07 20:29 <Melanie_> every script is always waiting for events
2016-05-07 20:29 <Melanie_> but they will not consume a thread unless an event is actually dispatched
2016-05-07 20:29 <JeffKelley> state_entry ; do that; end
2016-05-07 20:29 <Melanie_> meaning, unless an event occurs and the script has a handler for it
2016-05-07 20:30 <Melanie_> consider a script that has a changed() handler to detect sitting avatars
2016-05-07 20:30 <Melanie_> if you touch the prim, the script will not consume resources
2016-05-07 20:30 <Melanie_> because it has no touch_start
2016-05-07 20:30 <Melanie_> but it will consume some memory for it's global variables and code
2016-05-07 20:30 <JeffKelley> a thread is dispatched to process an event, correct ?
2016-05-07 20:30 <Melanie_> but the code of identical scripts, like lots of seats, is shared
2016-05-07 20:31 <Melanie_> so there is only one copy in memory
2016-05-07 20:31 <Melanie_> scripts don't have a stack unless in an event
2016-05-07 20:31 <Melanie_> yes but it's only dispatched if the script has a handler for that evet
2016-05-07 20:31 <JeffKelley> ok
2016-05-07 20:32 <Melanie_> the worst thinks a script can have is sensor/sensor repeat and listen handlers
2016-05-07 20:32 <Melanie_> because those can triggered by pretty much everything an avatar does
2016-05-07 20:32 <Melanie_> so those are lag hogs
2016-05-07 20:33 <JeffKelley> my rule of thumb is : try to have ScriptEventsPerSecond <= 100 (i set a threshold of 50 in my monitoring)
2016-05-07 20:34 <Melanie_> it depends
2016-05-07 20:34 <Melanie_> if you have a conference room, sure
2016-05-07 20:34 <Melanie_> but it'll never work in a combat sim
2016-05-07 20:35 <JeffKelley> yeah, we can mae exceptions, like when I fire thousands of hhtp requests a second :)
2016-05-07 20:35 <JeffKelley> or use the touch() event, this one can fire fast
2016-05-07 20:37 <Melanie_> yes, like not_at_target, etc
2016-05-07 23:21 <osmantis> Bug #7899:04 Console error messages from HTTP module while serving ManagedStats query. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7899 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-05-08 01:44 <JohnnyQ> is ubOde compatible in any way with OpenSim 0.8.2.1?
2016-05-08 07:26 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-05-08 07:26 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007096.
2016-05-08 07:26 <osmantis> Bug #7096:04 llSitTarget (and llLinkSitTarget) result in different position in opensim than in SecondLife 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7096 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007903.
2016-05-08 07:26 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007820.
2016-05-08 07:27 <osmantis> Bug #7820:04 osNpcSit does not work well in actual 0.9.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7820 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007903.
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2016-05-08 13:02 <osmantis> Bug #7875:04 worldmap tiles not loading when standing in a newer (OSgrid 0.9.0) region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7875 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-08 13:03 <osmantis> Bug #7875:04 worldmap tiles not loading when standing in a newer (OSgrid 0.9.0) region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7875 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-05-08 15:41 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-08 17:07 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0001716.
2016-05-08 17:07 <osmantis> Bug #1716:04 Gap when sitting on single prims with a sit target (discrepancy with SL) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1716 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007903.
2016-05-08 19:44 <osmantis> Bug #1516:04 r 5059 - sitting on a default sphere chooses a different sit rotation than on LL grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-08 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #1516:04 r 5059 - sitting on a default sphere chooses a different sit rotation than on LL grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-08 21:46 <osmantis> Bug #7820:04 osNpcSit does not work well in actual 0.9.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7820 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-08 21:54 <osmantis> Bug #7820:04 osNpcSit does not work well in actual 0.9.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7820 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-05-09 00:04 <osmantis> Bug #7820:04 osNpcSit does not work well in actual 0.9.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7820 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-09 01:07 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-05-09 01:36 <osmantis> Bug #1516:04 r 5059 - sitting on a default sphere chooses a different sit rotation than on LL grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-05-09 23:44 <H-H-H> i see a Diva_ lurking :)
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2016-05-10 18:34 <osmantis> Bug #7862:04 Avatar unable to cross var borders in 0.9.0.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7862 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-10 19:19 <osmantis> Bug #7902:04 Adding osNpcLookat function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7902 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-10 21:08 <mshoes> Can anyone here tell me if I can save a user's iar on my server without actually knowing their password? Since the passwords are all hashed in my database, I can't save an iar from their account. I'd like to be able to access their account to check a reported bug, but I can't do that without resetting their password. Is there any other way I can do that?
2016-05-10 21:56 <Melanie_> mshoes: it's designed that way so IAR can't be used to steal or mess up someone's inventory
2016-05-10 21:57 <Melanie_> so, no
2016-05-10 21:57 <Melanie_> if you have direct access to the database you can go that route
2016-05-10 22:17 <smxy> I really don't know why the admin can't be trusted to make IARs. We own the G.D. database anyway.
2016-05-10 22:17 <smxy> I find it particularly insulting.
2016-05-10 22:19 <AliciaRaven> smxy, its for if its a region connected to an open grid like osgrid, then the region owner would not own the inventory db
2016-05-10 22:23 <smxy> Then have the ability via the robust console.
2016-05-10 22:23 <smxy> Not the region.
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2016-05-10 22:27 <smxy> The admin-able-to-do-it ablity. Regular users should still be able to make their own from the region console.
2016-05-10 22:28 <AliciaRaven> yea, maybe when a region connected to robust maybe a password could be set in both configs and checked to see if the region is allowed extra trust
2016-05-10 22:30 <smxy> I was suggesting that the ability to make an IAR for anyone other than your own account, for which you know the password, should be restricted to the robust console only.
2016-05-10 22:31 <smxy> That would solve the OSgrid type issue you mentioned.
2016-05-10 22:32 <smxy> I think.
2016-05-10 22:48 <H-H-H> its a laugh to say the words security in the same sentence as opensim anyway lol
2016-05-10 22:48 <H-H-H> word*
2016-05-10 22:51 <Melanie_> well, yes and no
2016-05-10 22:51 <Melanie_> obviously, a codeslinger can take osgrid
2016-05-10 22:51 <Melanie_> it's happened before
2016-05-10 22:51 <Melanie_> malicious regions were used to wpie people's inventory
2016-05-10 22:52 <Melanie_> this is why since then in OSG the empty trash function doesn't work
2016-05-10 22:52 <Melanie_> you have to do it on the website
2016-05-10 22:52 <Melanie_> yes yo can code out the checks on IAR
2016-05-10 22:52 <Melanie_> but the 90% crowd can't do that
2016-05-10 22:52 <Melanie_> i doubt the 99% crowd can
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2016-05-11 12:10 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-05-11 15:35 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-11 16:48 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-11 16:52 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-11 16:58 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-11 17:23 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-11 18:33 <JeffKelley> danbanner : re : 7878 I think it should be clarified. Does it happen when the home grid is 0.9 or the target grid is 0.9? I can create a LM to Sandbox Plaza when I come from a 8.* grid, not when I come from a 0.9
2016-05-11 18:41 <JeffKelley> (how stupid is it to speak to someone who is not there ?)
2016-05-11 20:50 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-11 21:04 <osmantis> Bug #7900:04 Crash due to setting Thread.name after thread start. [PATCH] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7900 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-05-11 23:42 <osmantis> Bug #7900:04 Crash due to setting Thread.name after thread start. [PATCH] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7900 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-05-11 23:44 <osmantis> Bug #7900:04 Crash due to setting Thread.name after thread start. [PATCH] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7900 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007895.
2016-05-11 23:44 <osmantis> Bug #7895:04 Region crash with SIGSEGV. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7895 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007900.
2016-05-12 00:00 <osmantis> Bug #7902:04 Adding osNpcLookat function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7902 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-05-12 15:07 <smxy> Melani, misterblue, diva_: could one of you look at http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7900 and the patch attached to it, please? It seems to be a useful patch, as it eliminated a daily source of crashes I (and I believe others) was seeing.
2016-05-12 16:03 <Plugh> smxy: The changes look ok to me but then I've had a one line change get rejected so what do I know. :)
2016-05-12 16:06 <Plugh> smxy: How long does OS run before you have a crash? 
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2016-05-12 19:49 <smxy> Plugh: by the next morning I'll have had several crashes, if I start up in the evening, without the patch.
2016-05-12 19:50 <Plugh> ok. It takes a while for the crashes to appear.
2016-05-12 19:50 <smxy> Yes. The region idles for a few hours and then boom.
2016-05-12 19:50 <smxy> That's current dev Master HEAD, built with and running under Mono 4.3.2.
2016-05-12 19:51 <smxy> With the patch ... no crashes, so far.
2016-05-12 20:00 <Plugh> sounds good
2016-05-12 20:39 <smxy> Plugh: I thought you were a core committer. Any reason you can't handle that patch?
2016-05-12 20:42 <Melanie_> he could handle the patch but not the fallout from me if the patch is bad ;)
2016-05-12 20:42 <Melanie_> patch is good, though
2016-05-12 20:42 <Melanie_> intersting that the same error is present in the third party smart thread poll
2016-05-12 20:43 <Melanie_> anyway, the patch can go in
2016-05-12 20:48 <smxy> Thanks. :)
2016-05-12 21:46 <smxy> Okay, so, can someone apply the patch? :)
2016-05-12 21:48 <JeffKelley> If the is a patch-o-ton upcoming, i'd like to point a mistake in 'mega' commit a11edce, plus a mispelling in a ini parameter. Both patches in #7903
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2016-05-13 00:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #4636 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-05-13 00:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4636: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4636/
2016-05-13 00:56 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Fix crash due to setting Thread.name after thread start.
2016-05-13 01:00 <osmantis> Bug #7900:04 Crash due to setting Thread.name after thread start. [PATCH] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7900 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-13 01:10 <osmantis> Bug #7878:04 Creating landmarks on HyperGrid fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7878 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2016-05-13 01:18 <smxy> diva_: thanks!
2016-05-13 01:18 <osmantis> Bug #7905:04 I have no ground to walk or build on. I fall underneath and am in the 'water' flailing and have to restart. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7905 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-05-13 01:19 <diva_> yw
2016-05-13 01:28 <osmantis> Bug #7878:04 Creating landmarks on HyperGrid fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7878 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-13 10:34 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-13 12:14 <osmantis> Bug #7906:04 [WorldMapModule] RequestMapBlocks: Console gets many log messages with defaults when viewer map is open at specific zoom levels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7906 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-05-13 12:23 <osmantis> Bug #7906:04 [WorldMapModule] RequestMapBlocks: Console gets many log messages with defaults when viewer map is open at specific zoom levels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7906 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-13 12:25 <osmantis> Bug #7906:04 [WorldMapModule] RequestMapBlocks: Console gets many log messages with defaults when viewer map is open at specific zoom levels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7906 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-05-13 12:53 <osmantis> Bug #7906:04 [WorldMapModule] RequestMapBlocks: Console gets many log messages with defaults when viewer map is open at specific zoom levels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7906 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-13 15:14 <osmantis> Bug #7906:04 [WorldMapModule] RequestMapBlocks: Console gets many log messages with defaults when viewer map is open at specific zoom levels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7906 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-05-13 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-13 21:07 <JoeRadik> [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE]: Cannot add parcel "Gorilla", local ID 2 at tile 0,0 because this is still occupied by parcel "Gorilla", local ID 1 in Gorilla
2016-05-13 21:08 <JoeRadik> ^^^^ I'm betting this message has something to do with a problem I'm having
2016-05-13 21:08 <Melanie_> you seem to have a corrupted land table
2016-05-13 21:08 <JoeRadik> I think it has to do with Estates.  I seem to recall having to fix this issue in the database.
2016-05-13 21:08 <Melanie_> you need to delete your land and landaccesslist table contents
2016-05-13 21:09 <Melanie_> once you restart the sim will come up with the large deault parcel
2016-05-13 21:09 <Melanie_> you can then cut that again
2016-05-13 21:10 <Melanie_> whenever you cut or join alnd, enable "view->property lines"
2016-05-13 21:10 <JoeRadik> Thanks.  Going at it now.
2016-05-13 21:10 <Melanie_> then, when you cut or join, wait until the sim actually updates the property lines becore making the next cut or join
2016-05-13 21:11 <Melanie_> the shortcut for view property lines is ctrl-alt-shift-p in mot viewers
2016-05-13 21:11 <Melanie_> +s
2016-05-13 21:23 <JoeRadik> Easy fix when you know how.  Thanks again.
2016-05-13 21:23 <Melanie_> you're welcome
2016-05-13 22:02 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-13 22:11 <osmantis> Bug #7907:04 Large-primcount items create long delay in right-click editing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7907 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-05-13 22:13 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-05-13 22:18 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-05-13 22:45 <smxy> zadark: Have you started looking into the changes required to deal with reverse lookups not matching the forward lookups? I've now got a case that I can't fix, even locally. Two different grids running on the same host, so on the same IP address. The reverse can only point to one and the other one is screwed. :(
2016-05-13 23:09 <osmantis> Bug #7908:04 OpenSim broken with respect to Melanie's recommended Mono, re: reverse DNS lookups that don't match the forward lookup. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7908 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-05-13 23:11 <Melanie_> smxy: it is part of the protocol that the gatekeeper for every grid MUST Have a unique IP
2016-05-13 23:12 <Melanie_> that is not fxable without jettisoning diva's anti-spoofing code
2016-05-13 23:12 <Melanie_> and she'd give you a piece of her mind if you even suggested as much
2016-05-13 23:12 <smxy> That's fine. Then maybe that one case can't be fixed, but the others need to be - you said so yourself.
2016-05-13 23:13 <diva_> there shouldn't be any problems of grids running on the same host. The problems are when the viewer also runs on the same network
2016-05-13 23:14 <smxy> Any avatar coming to my grid, which runs on Mono 4.3.2, that comes from a grid where the A and PTR records don't match, can't get to me.
2016-05-13 23:14 <smxy> That was what you said had to be fixed, Melanie.
2016-05-13 23:15 <diva_> oh that's different
2016-05-13 23:16 <smxy> Yes, and you'd be amazed how many grids are in that situation.
2016-05-13 23:17 <smxy> A number of hosted ones, and many (most?) home-hosted one.
2016-05-13 23:17 <Melanie_> diva_: hi
2016-05-13 23:17 <Melanie_> diva_: no, there is a new issue
2016-05-13 23:17 <Melanie_> let me elaborate
2016-05-13 23:17 <diva_> k
2016-05-13 23:17 <Melanie_> mono before 4.3 had a DNS cache
2016-05-13 23:18 <Melanie_> when you forward reslved a name, it would enter the name and IP into that cache
2016-05-13 23:18 <Melanie_> it would subsequently use that cahe for resolving reverse lookups
2016-05-13 23:18 <Melanie_> because of this, double-reverse lookups against hosts with unclean DNS succeeded, because the HG connection pahse was shorter than the cache timeout
2016-05-13 23:19 <diva_> ok
2016-05-13 23:19 <Melanie_> from mono 4.3.2, the DNS cache was dropped or reworked
2016-05-13 23:19 <diva_> thanks sucks
2016-05-13 23:19 <diva_> *that sucks
2016-05-13 23:19 <Melanie_> now, a successful forward resolution is still cached, but the data gleaned from that is not used to satisfy reverse request
2016-05-13 23:20 <Melanie_> so reverse requests are handed down to the resolver and cause names to be returned that have no mathing handlers or just dont' match
2016-05-13 23:20 <Melanie_> current code does this:
2016-05-13 23:20 <Melanie_> receive message from a.com
2016-05-13 23:20 <Melanie_> resolve a.com, check IP address match
2016-05-13 23:20 <Melanie_> store the IP
2016-05-13 23:20 <Melanie_> later, much later
2016-05-13 23:20 <Melanie_> resolve IP to expect a.com
2016-05-13 23:21 <Melanie_> string compare the result with a.com
2016-05-13 23:21 <Melanie_> fail
2016-05-13 23:21 <Melanie_> because the prior extended caching returned a.com for the ip
2016-05-13 23:21 <Melanie_> the new caching returns 123-456-ip-hosting.com or somesuch
2016-05-13 23:21 <Melanie_> whcih can't string compare to a.com
2016-05-13 23:22 <diva_> sucks. So we have to cache it or something
2016-05-13 23:22 <Melanie_> verification of the client is rejected based on that
2016-05-13 23:22 <Melanie_> as the gatekeeper considers it a n identity spoof
2016-05-13 23:22 <Melanie_> well, we need to change a lot of fields that are currently IPEndpoint to be something else
2016-05-13 23:23 <Melanie_> like struct OpenSimIpInfo { IPEndpoint ip; String name; }
2016-05-13 23:23 <Melanie_> and then eliminiate reverse looups in favor of using our already stored forward name
2016-05-13 23:23 <smxy> May I ask a really dumb question?
2016-05-13 23:23 <Melanie_> there are no dumb questions
2016-05-13 23:24 <diva_> ok
2016-05-13 23:24 <smxy> You may have just answered it. If OpenSim can't rely on the reverse lookups and you have to fake it with your own cache, why bother with it at all?
2016-05-13 23:25 <Melanie_> well
2016-05-13 23:25 <Melanie_> you want to be sure that your girl is pure for the funky cold medina
2016-05-13 23:25 <smxy> English, please. LOL
2016-05-13 23:25 <Melanie_> smxy: google tone loc, funky cold medina
2016-05-13 23:25 <Melanie_> watch the video
2016-05-13 23:25 <Melanie_> it will all becoe clear
2016-05-13 23:25 <Melanie_> anyway
2016-05-13 23:25 <Melanie_> if a host contacts you, you want to know they are who they claim they are
2016-05-13 23:26 <Melanie_> so, you take the name they claim to be, resolve it and chek that the ip you received from is the IP the name resolves to
2016-05-13 23:26 <Melanie_> in an ideal world, the ip would resolve to the same name
2016-05-13 23:26 <Melanie_> but the ideal world may be on a soace statiion called Elysium
2016-05-13 23:26 <Melanie_> it sure as hell ain't here
2016-05-13 23:26 <smxy> Yes.
2016-05-13 23:26 <diva_> smxy we'll just be doing whatever mono used to do
2016-05-13 23:26 <smxy> Good movie, BTW.
2016-05-13 23:27 <Melanie_> so, while we can authenticate an IP to the point where we can say "The controller of the domain a.com claims that 1.2.3.4 is one of his hosts"
2016-05-13 23:27 <smxy> Yes, which is faking it. You really will never know if they are who they say they are because you'll never see the real PTR record.
2016-05-13 23:27 <diva_> I'll get to it soon. I can see the light at the end of this tunnel. "Summer is coming!"
2016-05-13 23:27 <Melanie_> we can no longer say "the provider hosting 1.2.3.4 claims that it belongs to a.com"
2016-05-13 23:28 <Melanie_> hypergrid doesn't suffer from the issues that plague the SL protocol, e.g. having IPv4 address binary payloads
2016-05-13 23:28 <Melanie_> instead it does work with names
2016-05-13 23:28 <Melanie_> but ont he opensim side, it has been seen as convenient ot pass arounf IPEndpoint structires
2016-05-13 23:29 <Melanie_> the drawback of that is that IPEndpoint contains no naming information
2016-05-13 23:29 <Melanie_> later verification of additional packets in other parts of HG code need to reconstruct the name by a reverse looup
2016-05-13 23:29 <smxy> I don't see how anything can solve the edge case I ran into today, though.
2016-05-13 23:29 <Melanie_> which used to be satisfied locally, but now no longer is
2016-05-13 23:30 <Melanie_> smxy: put your rght hand out, palm facing left. angle your elbox and aim for your forehead, then smack it with all you have ;)
2016-05-13 23:30 <smxy> If there are two different grids on the same address, the reverse can only point to one.
2016-05-13 23:31 <Melanie_> because if we ONLY do forward reolution then BOTH names will reolve to THAT ip
2016-05-13 23:31 <Melanie_> so each transfer will succeed
2016-05-13 23:31 <Melanie_> so go ahead and smack yourself a couple more times
2016-05-13 23:31 <Melanie_> you will see the light eventually ;)
2016-05-13 23:31 <smxy> Yes, if you do away with the reverse lookup altogether, that would work. It wasn't clear to me that's what you were planning to do. Sorry
2016-05-13 23:32 <Melanie_> yes it is what i see as the only way
2016-05-13 23:32 <smxy> I'm in that situation myself, with two grids and three standalones, all on one address.
2016-05-13 23:32 <Melanie_> i know we can never fix reverse dns for the internet
2016-05-13 23:32 <Melanie_> too few people understand dns for that to happen aytime soon
2016-05-13 23:33 <smxy> So, until such a time as this can be fixed, what is *THE* best Mono version to use, that doesn't create this problem?
2016-05-13 23:33 <Melanie_> 4.0.2
2016-05-13 23:33 <Melanie_> it has known issues but of the instable ines it is a better one
2016-05-13 23:34 <Melanie_> you may want to pull the latest with the thread name fix
2016-05-13 23:34 <smxy> What are the issues?
2016-05-13 23:34 <Melanie_> as i think a number of the 4.0.2 issues may be rooted in that bug
2016-05-13 23:34 <Melanie_> crashes
2016-05-13 23:34 <smxy> Oh, I'm running HEAD
2016-05-13 23:34 <Melanie_> look upthe bug that was recently fixed
2016-05-13 23:34 <Melanie_> setting thread,Name after thread,Start
2016-05-13 23:34 <Melanie_> is illegal but was done in two places
2016-05-13 23:34 <smxy> I tested the patch for zadark, Melanie. :)
2016-05-13 23:34 <Melanie_> causing curruption and delayed unrelated crashing
2016-05-13 23:35 <Melanie_> i think 4.0.2 may be safe with that patch applied
2016-05-13 23:36 <smxy> I was running 4.0.1 before.
2016-05-13 23:37 <smxy> It was quite solid.
2016-05-13 23:37 <Melanie_> should be golden, too
2016-05-13 23:37 <Melanie_> withthat thread name patch
2016-05-13 23:53 <smxy> 
ACTION goes off to rebuild and run with Mono 4.0.1 ... again.

2016-05-14 01:29 <osmantis> Bug #7566:04 DNS Caching in Mono 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7566 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-14 02:05 <smxy> It's not just the reverse DNS lookup that's different in Mono 4.3.2. The HG Friends sees various connections time out when it needs to notify friends of my status on login, that it never sees timeout with 4.0.1.
2016-05-14 11:41 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-14 14:21 <JoeRadik> Damn you Melanie_, I have voices in my head...and now they all sound like Tone Loc. :)
2016-05-14 14:32 <Melanie_> lol
2016-05-14 14:32 <Melanie_> funky cold medina
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2016-05-15 08:49 <osmantis> Bug #7900:04 Crash due to setting Thread.name after thread start. [PATCH] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7900 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-15 11:27 <osmantis> Bug #7900:04 Crash due to setting Thread.name after thread start. [PATCH] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7900 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-15 16:29 <osmantis> Bug #7900:04 Crash due to setting Thread.name after thread start. [PATCH] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7900 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-15 17:01 <osmantis> Bug #7900:04 Crash due to setting Thread.name after thread start. [PATCH] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7900 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-15 22:27 <osmantis> Bug #7900:04 Crash due to setting Thread.name after thread start. [PATCH] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7900 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-05-16 08:29 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-16 09:33 <osmantis> Bug #7909:04 Simulator crashes with libpthread.so.0 error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7909 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2016-05-16 13:20 <osmantis> Bug #7909:04 Simulator crashes with libpthread.so.0 error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7909 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-16 18:20 <osmantis> Bug #7878:04 Creating landmarks on HyperGrid fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7878 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-16 18:38 <osmantis> Bug #7878:04 Creating landmarks on HyperGrid fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7878 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-16 18:44 <osmantis> Bug #7878:04 Creating landmarks on HyperGrid fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7878 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-16 21:30 <zadark> smxy: I am testing a couple of solutions, RL work being a pain at the present time, if you could include a couple of sites that fail reverse DNS and host file additions to the mantis you have open . would be useful.
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2016-05-16 21:51 <osmantis> Bug #7878:04 Creating landmarks on HyperGrid fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7878 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-16 22:17 <osmantis> Bug #7878:04 Creating landmarks on HyperGrid fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7878 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-16 22:26 <smxy> zadark: You may want to check with diva. Whan I filed the mantis, she and Melanie discussed it and it sounded like diva was going to do this herself, this Summer. I've moved back to Mono 4.0.1.43 for the time being.
2016-05-16 22:37 <JeffKelley> smxy, you there ?
2016-05-16 22:37 <smxy> yes
2016-05-16 22:38 <JeffKelley> did you try to take/copy/delete an object in HG to 0.9 ?
2016-05-16 22:38 <smxy> No
2016-05-16 22:38 <smxy> What's the issue?
2016-05-16 22:39 <JeffKelley> it seems that #7878 goes well beyond the inability to create a landmark
2016-05-16 22:39 <smxy> I haven't tried repoing that either.
2016-05-16 22:39 <smxy> reproing*
2016-05-16 22:39 <smxy> Let me take a look at it.
2016-05-16 22:40 <JeffKelley> it was reported first as 'unable to buy from kitely'
2016-05-16 22:40 <JeffKelley> i'm on SB plaza and i can't even derez one of my prims
2016-05-16 22:40 <smxy> THAT I can test. I often buy from Kitely.
2016-05-16 22:41 <smxy> Let me see if Ozwell has anything new for sale that I want. :)
2016-05-16 22:42 <JeffKelley> 'buying' is taking to inventory
2016-05-16 22:42 <smxy> Geez. I log into my grid at last location and it logged me into Jokaydia grid as that's where I last HG'd to.
2016-05-16 22:43 <JeffKelley> really?
2016-05-16 22:43 <smxy> Yes. Every so often I relog to where I actually was last.
2016-05-16 22:43 <JeffKelley> through the hypergrid ?
2016-05-16 22:44 <smxy> yep
2016-05-16 22:44 <JeffKelley> awesome
2016-05-16 22:44 <smxy> In a way, I wish it did that all the time.
2016-05-16 22:50 <smxy> Sometimes I think it happens because the last place I was on MY grid was in contact with a blamgat to another grid.
2016-05-16 22:50 <smxy> so I get sent there again.
2016-05-16 22:50 <JeffKelley> oh yes, you rez _inside_ a blamgate
2016-05-16 22:51 <smxy> sometimes, yes
2016-05-16 22:51 <smxy> I was just able to buy something from Kitely and have it delivered to my grid just fine.
2016-05-16 22:52 <JeffKelley> i can't delete one of my prims, never seen that in years of hypergriding
2016-05-16 22:53 <smxy> The person who filed 7766 says in the summary that they can't buy from Kitely on 0.9 code, but in the description that's NOT the scenario they describe.
2016-05-16 22:53 <danbanner> JeffKelley: that plaza needs a restart someone screwed it up
2016-05-16 22:54 <JeffKelley> should i move out ?
2016-05-16 22:54 <danbanner> only if you want to avoid crashing ;p
2016-05-16 22:54 <JeffKelley> i want to live
2016-05-16 22:54 <smxy> Now I will login my Kitrely avatar, go to my grid and try to make a landmark
2016-05-16 22:54 <smxy> Kitely*
2016-05-16 22:59 <JeffKelley> i managed to kill myself
2016-05-16 22:59 <smxy> My Kitely avatar is unable to create a landmark in my 0.9 grid. I was in region Lud, parcel TicToc and got this on the region console:
2016-05-16 22:59 <smxy> 18:57:01 - [INVENTORY ACCESS MODULE]: Received request to create inventory item TicToc in folder 2f4cab7d-436a-45ee-afe0-06be2541e1b3, transactionID 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000
2016-05-16 22:59 <smxy> 18:57:01 - [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE]: Got parcelID 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000
2016-05-16 23:00 <smxy> TicToc is a parcel that is the size of the region.
2016-05-16 23:00 <smxy> So, I can repro that issue.
2016-05-16 23:02 <JeffKelley> danbanner : take/delete issue gone from SB Plaza ; still unable to landmark though
2016-05-16 23:02 <danbanner> ya
2016-05-16 23:03 <osmantis> Bug #7766:04 Making Hypergrid Landmarks, and buying objects from Kitely to 0.9 code does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7766 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-16 23:04 <danbanner> being able to make landmarks when you HG seems kind of important to me
2016-05-16 23:05 <smxy> It's certainly very useful. :)
2016-05-16 23:05 <JeffKelley> sure
2016-05-16 23:05 <smxy> Given that it was filed 6 months ago, I'm not sure nyone in a position to fix it gives a shit though.
2016-05-16 23:06 <danbanner> seems that way doesnt it
2016-05-16 23:06 <JeffKelley> suitcase issue
2016-05-16 23:07 <smxy> Not sure I agree, since my Kitely purchse went straight to My Suitcase just fine.
2016-05-16 23:07 <smxy> Hmm, but that was with a 0.9 avi
2016-05-16 23:07 <danbanner> so you're saying if i used an osgrid avatar (we dont have a suitcase) and hopped to another 0.9 grid we could make a landmark?
2016-05-16 23:08 <JeffKelley> ' folder Landmarks is not within Suitcase tree '
2016-05-16 23:08 <smxy> Let me try that wih my OSG avi
2016-05-16 23:08 <smxy> I've always had a Landmarks folder in my suitcase.
2016-05-16 23:08 <smxy> But let me try Dan's idea
2016-05-16 23:08 <JeffKelley> i can create a lm if i use XInventoryService (no suitcase)
2016-05-16 23:08 <danbanner> ok
2016-05-16 23:09 <danbanner> so all we need is someone that knows how the suitcase works and convince them to fix it?
2016-05-16 23:09 <JeffKelley> i would say that
2016-05-16 23:11 <smxy> That would be diva ...
2016-05-16 23:12 <JeffKelley> OpenSim/Services/HypergridService/HGSuitcaseInventoryService.cs
2016-05-16 23:12 <smxy> My OSgrid avi went to my 0.9 grid, made an LM, went back to OSgrid, then back to my grid again, but via the LM, just fine.
2016-05-16 23:13 <smxy> Now we need to see if a 0.9 avi can go to another 0.9 grid and make an lm
2016-05-16 23:13 <JeffKelley> i am a 0.9 avi
2016-05-16 23:13 <smxy> I can test that from my test grid to my main grid
2016-05-16 23:13 <smxy> ok, go to sanctuary.homelinux.org:8012:Lud
2016-05-16 23:15 <JeffKelley> same issue
2016-05-16 23:15 <diva_> what's broken?
2016-05-16 23:15 <JeffKelley> hi diva_ , creating LMs on 0.9
2016-05-16 23:15 <smxy> If your avi has a My Suitcase.
2016-05-16 23:15 <smxy> If it doesn't, it works fine.
2016-05-16 23:16 <JeffKelley> i have a My Suitcase and a Landmarks inside
2016-05-16 23:17 <smxy> Okay, it works for OSgrid avis, which don't have a My Suitcase.
2016-05-16 23:17 <smxy> But for the rest of us, no.
2016-05-16 23:21 <diva_> wait, creating LM in general, or creating LMs in foreign grids?
2016-05-16 23:21 <danbanner> foreign grids
2016-05-16 23:22 <danbanner> local avatars dont have any problem
2016-05-16 23:23 <smxy> ya, you can't go to a 0.9 grid and make an LM.
2016-05-16 23:23 <smxy> Unless you're from OSgrid.
2016-05-16 23:23 <diva_> ok. Mantis?
2016-05-16 23:23 <JeffKelley> or use XInventoryService
2016-05-16 23:23 <smxy> 7766
2016-05-16 23:23 <JeffKelley> 7878
2016-05-16 23:23 <smxy> related to 7878
2016-05-16 23:27 <diva_> ok, I'll try to look at it right now
2016-05-16 23:28 <smxy> Thanks, diva. :)
2016-05-16 23:29 <danbanner> thaqnks diva
2016-05-17 00:28 <Melanie_T> diva_ is the only one i coul look to to know how that works
2016-05-17 00:28 <Melanie_T> i would look but i know i'd break something else
2016-05-17 00:30 <Melanie_T> I do care but i'm just out of my depth
2016-05-17 00:30 <Melanie_T> although i have to say that i do wish the hypergrid could just go away
2016-05-17 00:30 <Melanie_T> and be replaced by a truly distributed system
2016-05-17 00:31 <Melanie_T> with a viewer designed for it rather than one that has to betricked into handling it
2016-05-17 00:41 <diva_> +1 such a viewer would make things a lot easier
2016-05-17 00:57 <diva_> why would my opensim fresh out of configuration crash on bulletsim with this
2016-05-17 00:57 <diva_> 17:56:47 - [SCENE]: Failed on region Test 1 with exception Object reference not set to an instance o
2016-05-17 00:57 <diva_> f an object.   at OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.SceneGraph.UpdatePreparePhysics() in f:\dev\opensi
2016-05-17 00:57 <diva_> m-core\OpenSim\Region\Framework\Scenes\SceneGraph.cs:line 180
2016-05-17 00:57 <diva_>    at OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.Scene.Update(Int32 frames) in f:\dev\opensim-core\OpenSim\Regi
2016-05-17 00:57 <diva_> on\Framework\Scenes\Scene.cs:line 1771
2016-05-17 01:02 <diva_> this is very disconcerning
2016-05-17 01:08 <Melanie_T> a new sim has no prims
2016-05-17 01:08 <Melanie_T> there should be no objects
2016-05-17 01:11 <diva_> this is unsettling...
2016-05-17 01:12 <diva_> I"m getting a bunch of null pointer exceptions related to physics
2016-05-17 01:12 <diva_> the physicsScene property is not set yet or something
2016-05-17 01:13 <diva_> I'm hesitating about guarding all of these with if PhysicsScene != null
2016-05-17 01:13 <diva_> this shouldn't be happening
2016-05-17 01:13 <osmantis> Bug #7766:04 Making Hypergrid Landmarks, and buying objects from Kitely to 0.9 code does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7766 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-17 01:25 <diva_> oh well, I cannot start opensim :-/
2016-05-17 01:26 <Melanie_T> well, don't use bullet
2016-05-17 01:26 <Melanie_T> use ubODE
2016-05-17 01:27 <Melanie_T> anyway, i'm just too tired or i'd try it right now
2016-05-17 01:27 <Melanie_T> but i need some sleep
2016-05-17 01:27 <Melanie_T> NN all
2016-05-17 01:27 <diva_> nn
2016-05-17 01:39 <Plugh> night, Melanie_T
2016-05-17 02:38 <osmantis> Bug #7878:04 Creating landmarks on HyperGrid fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7878 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-17 02:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4637: FAILURE in 7 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4637/
2016-05-17 03:11 <osmantis> Bug #7878:04 Creating landmarks on HyperGrid fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7878 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-17 04:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #4638 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4636 4 days 4 hr ago)
2016-05-17 05:03 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-05-17 05:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4638: FIXED in 5 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4638/
2016-05-17 05:03 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7878 -- Landmarks were not being created in HGSuitcaseInventory
2016-05-17 05:03 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Minor improvement over the previous commit -- make sure the code exists in the FolderType enum
2016-05-17 06:15 -!- Aramis^(~someone@108-207-141-184.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) has left #opensim-dev
2016-05-17 06:15 <JohnnyQ> Waiting on the dev for opensimsearch, if you see him, let him know I'm in need of help. 
2016-05-17 06:43 <osmantis> Bug #7878:04 Creating landmarks on HyperGrid fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7878 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-17 11:18 <osmantis> Bug #7878:04 Creating landmarks on HyperGrid fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7878 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-05-17 14:47 <JohnnyQ> Hey a plugh
2016-05-17 14:48 <JohnnyQ> Keep getting the error with the search. And I've compiled from source twice. It keeps saying multiple root elements. 
2016-05-17 14:50 <JohnnyQ> I'm running Windows Server 2008 right now. Used visual studio 2012 to compile 
2016-05-17 14:51 <JohnnyQ> All the php files are set up and all the communication is working, but it's that error. 
2016-05-17 15:26 <osmantis> Bug #7900:04 Crash due to setting Thread.name after thread start. [PATCH] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7900 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-17 15:27 <osmantis> Bug #7900:04 Crash due to setting Thread.name after thread start. [PATCH] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7900 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-05-17 15:27 <osmantis> Bug #7900:04 Crash due to setting Thread.name after thread start. [PATCH] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7900 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2016-05-17 15:28 -!- kyle_brynner(~kyle_bryn@ALyon-552-1-92-27.w80-9.abo.wanadoo.fr) has left #opensim-dev
2016-05-17 15:29 <osmantis> Bug #7900:04 Crash due to setting Thread.name after thread start. [PATCH] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7900 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-05-17 15:53 <H-H-H> JohnnyQ have you verified that it is communicating with the php properly as usually multiple root elements is a sign of an invalid responce back from the php
2016-05-17 16:02 <Plugh> Missed him by 3.25 minutes
2016-05-17 16:02 <Plugh> and I missed him by a few more than that. oh, well.
2016-05-17 16:03 <H-H-H> im sure he will be back :)
2016-05-17 16:05 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-05-17 16:05 <Plugh> With PHP 7 on its way I need to update the search and profile add on modules to use mysqli.
2016-05-17 16:08 <H-H-H> on its way?
2016-05-17 16:08 <H-H-H> its already hit lol
2016-05-17 16:08 <Plugh> Not on any machine I currently use.
2016-05-17 16:08 <H-H-H> i have 7.0.5
2016-05-17 16:08 <H-H-H> on manjaro
2016-05-17 16:09 <Plugh> what is manjaro?
2016-05-17 16:09 <H-H-H> basically arch made a little easyer
2016-05-17 16:09 <Plugh> That's a Debian distro?
2016-05-17 16:10 <H-H-H> nope an Arh Linux one lol i just said
2016-05-17 16:10 <H-H-H> Arch*
2016-05-17 16:10 <Plugh> oh, its yet another Linux distro.
2016-05-17 16:10 <Plugh> First time I've heard of that one.
2016-05-17 16:10 <H-H-H> been around a few yrs already lol
2016-05-17 16:11 <H-H-H> https://manjaro.github.io/
2016-05-17 16:11 <Plugh> Unless a person regularly checks distrowatch it is almost impossible to keep up on all the different distros that people keep creating.
2016-05-17 16:12 <H-H-H> yeah very true but im just letting you know php 7 is already in the repos of a few well used distros :) Arch Linux being one of them aswell as its derivitives
2016-05-17 16:13 <Plugh> Linux Mint has a certain level of popularity. I wonder if 17.3 includes PHP 7
2016-05-17 16:13 <Plugh> hm... getting close to lunch time. bbl. I have something I wanted to do before lunch.
2016-05-17 16:15 <H-H-H> ok and i cant find any info on the php version used after a quick glance at google
2016-05-17 16:15 <H-H-H> can find out tho if you really want lol?
2016-05-17 16:16 <osmantis> Bug #7384:04 Intermittent Opensim crash on Linux 32 bit platform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7384 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007900.
2016-05-17 16:16 <osmantis> Bug #7900:04 Crash due to setting Thread.name after thread start. [PATCH] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7900 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007384.
2016-05-17 16:18 <osmantis> Bug #7384:04 Intermittent Opensim crash on Linux 32 bit platform 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7384 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-05-17 16:21 <H-H-H> Plugh for future reference Linux Mint 17.3 is based on Ubuntu 14.04
2016-05-17 16:21 <JohnnyQ> Interesting 
2016-05-17 16:22 <H-H-H> PHP 5.5
2016-05-17 19:15 <JeffKelley> Melanie_T : can you see a reason to reject one or both patches in #7903 ? According to you, should sitOffset be added or subtracted like it was in pre-merge ? 
2016-05-17 19:20 <scatterp> hi can any one here help me with displaying a webpage larger than 1024x1024 ?
2016-05-17 19:24 <Plugh> scatterp: Get a bigger monitor?  ;)
2016-05-17 19:24 <scatterp> haha
2016-05-17 19:24 <scatterp> im in a finance center our desktops are massive lol
2016-05-17 19:24 <Plugh> scatterp: I'm curious what the problem is but it also sounds like something off topic for this channel.
2016-05-17 19:25 <scatterp> Plugh i would agree but thats kinda the story for all channels
2016-05-17 19:25 <scatterp> see opensim test grid is osgrid somewhat offically and theres no offical viewer
2016-05-17 19:25 <Plugh> Wouldn't be off topic for a channel that is about webpages.
2016-05-17 19:25 <scatterp> Plugh i did consider carefully before asking thru 
2016-05-17 19:26 <Plugh> np. Its not that busy in here now.
2016-05-17 19:26 <scatterp> well the thing is in the viewer mooap code seems to limit size to 1024 some how
2016-05-17 19:26 <scatterp> i found an option in debug which i thought might work but no luck
2016-05-17 19:27 <Plugh> oh. you aren't talking about a generic web browser issue but something that is related to OpenSim.
2016-05-17 19:27 <scatterp> yeah
2016-05-17 19:27 <scatterp> like what grid do you use ?
2016-05-17 19:27 <Plugh> The initial question made no mention of anything related to OpenSim.
2016-05-17 19:27 <scatterp> sorry should have been clearer i guess
2016-05-17 19:27 <Plugh> It does help. :)
2016-05-17 19:28 <scatterp> let me be totally clear...
2016-05-17 19:28 <Plugh> I missed Jonny again. 
2016-05-17 19:29 <Kubwa> Hey there, just a question: i modified the landtool.php for land selling so that it works with hypergrid authentication too... is there any interests in making it public with opensim?
2016-05-17 19:29 <Plugh> scatterp: I'm not sure if there is a limitation imposed by the back end code, or the viewer. It may be related to a typical size limit of 1k x 1k on textures.
2016-05-17 19:29 <scatterp> i see the need for investment in opensim.. and osgrid and wanted to try to help so i brought my work over a finance company (shares forex) and set up a trade center all works great with google cardboard how ever the resoloution of the screens is terrible i am using flashlight.html (vnc) to connect to vps machines 
2016-05-17 19:30 <Plugh> Kubwa, Someone out there would find it of interest.
2016-05-17 19:30 <Kubwa> https://kubwa.de/Snap/_Snap.php?f=ce3efbbd-f089-4dbf-bc9b-276d4d6bcdee.txt
2016-05-17 19:31 <Kubwa> maybe someone can work with it.... it would be cool to use the hg auth build in in opensim, but i coouldnt find the right commands
2016-05-17 19:33 <scatterp> plugh i am pretty sure the limitation is in the viewer
2016-05-17 19:34 <Plugh> 
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2016-05-17 19:34 <scatterp> Plugh since viewer runs chrome kit and that directly accesses webpages
2016-05-17 19:34 <Plugh> I don't think texture sizes > 1k x 1k are supported.
2016-05-17 19:34 <scatterp> Plugh now it wouldnt make logical sense to have a chrome kit and limit it to 1024 
2016-05-17 19:34 <Kubwa> thats the best way i could find... if everyone is ok with it, i could put it on the third partie tools wiki page
2016-05-17 19:34 <scatterp> theres an option in debug settings that enables bigger textures
2016-05-17 19:35 <Kubwa> oh, textures > 1024 are possible, i tried it with importing the jp2000 directly into the asset server
2016-05-17 19:35 <Plugh> Kubwa, that would be your best option to getting it out there. It would also be useful to point out what changes were made.
2016-05-17 19:35 <Kubwa> but i had massive bugs with downloading the texture.... it took very very long and the texture blutrred often
2016-05-17 19:36 <Plugh> Kubwa, that wouldn't work with MOAP trying to show a web page.
2016-05-17 19:38 <scatterp> TextureLoadFullRes
2016-05-17 19:38 <scatterp> seems to unlock texture sizes
2016-05-17 19:38 <scatterp> but still pages past 1024 dont seem to happen
2016-05-17 19:39 <Plugh> Is that a grid setting?
2016-05-17 19:39 <Plugh> I couldn't find it.
2016-05-17 19:39 <scatterp> dont think so
2016-05-17 19:40 <scatterp> seems to be something common to all viewers
2016-05-17 19:40 <Plugh> Where do you see that thing mentioned?
2016-05-17 19:40 <scatterp> are you on osgrid ?
2016-05-17 19:40 <Plugh> I have an account there. 
2016-05-17 19:40 <scatterp> i can show you in a sandbox 
2016-05-17 19:41 <scatterp> basiclly you open google on a moap prim
2016-05-17 19:41 <scatterp> search for resoloution detection
2016-05-17 19:41 <scatterp> and it shows you your res in this case 1024 x 
2016-05-17 19:43 <JohnnyQ> Plugh, help, please. RE: multiple root elements error with opensim 0.8.2.1 robust. 
2016-05-17 19:43 <Plugh> scatterp: I just did a search of the code and found the issue. 1k x 1k is the maximum size supported.
2016-05-17 19:44 <Plugh> The limit is in the file OpenSim/Region/CoreModules/Scripting/LoadImageURL/LoadImageURLModule.cs
2016-05-17 19:44 <Plugh> in the routine called HttpRequestReturn()
2016-05-17 19:44 <scatterp> yeah but thats if you open via scripting 
2016-05-17 19:44 <scatterp> if we open with a moap browser we bypass lsl/opensim scripting all together
2016-05-17 19:45 <scatterp> maybe this 1024 limit is just spread all over the code 
2016-05-17 19:45 <scatterp> with out a common variable
2016-05-17 19:45 <Plugh> I haven't done anything much with MOAP. If it bypasses the normal texture asset handling it may be a limitation in the viewer code. I don't feel like digging through the source for a viewer.
2016-05-17 19:46 <scatterp> k
2016-05-17 19:48 <Plugh> scatterp: I just watched part of a tutorial on MOAP. I would suggest talking to a viewer dev.
2016-05-17 19:49 <Plugh> It does appear that it is a viewer issue.
2016-05-17 19:49 <scatterp> yeah
2016-05-17 19:50 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: Are you getting that problem in OpenSimSearch or OpenSimProfile?
2016-05-17 19:50 <JohnnyQ> Search
2016-05-17 19:50 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: Any red text during the region startup?
2016-05-17 19:51 <JohnnyQ> I let me look again.... 
2016-05-17 19:52 <Plugh> That's the first thing to check. Make sure your URL's are correct. Make sure the database settings used by the PHP code to access your database is correct.
2016-05-17 19:52 <JohnnyQ> Rest client is having issues. 
2016-05-17 19:53 <JohnnyQ> URLs I checked, database is working. 
2016-05-17 19:53 <JohnnyQ> It happens when a search is initiated from the viewer 
2016-05-17 19:54 <Plugh> Where did you get your copy of OSS?
2016-05-17 19:55 <JohnnyQ> Github, your repo
2016-05-17 19:56 <Plugh> ok. 
2016-05-17 19:57 <Plugh> which version of PHP do you have on your machine?
2016-05-17 19:58 <JohnnyQ> 5.6
2016-05-17 19:59 <Plugh> k
2016-05-17 20:00 <Plugh> The only message from OSS is that multi-root thing?
2016-05-17 20:00 <JohnnyQ> Yeah 
2016-05-17 20:00 <JohnnyQ> And the viewer says it can't search right now. 
2016-05-17 20:01 <Plugh> yea, because of the error.
2016-05-17 20:01 <JohnnyQ> Yup
2016-05-17 20:02 <Plugh> If you run "php query.php" on your machine (when you are where the php file is located) what do you get?
2016-05-17 20:07 <JohnnyQ> Nothing
2016-05-17 20:07 <JohnnyQ> No return values or errors
2016-05-17 20:07 <Plugh> ok, good.
2016-05-17 20:08 <Plugh> Most likely problem is a configuration error but I can't think of what at the moment unless it is a bad URL>
2016-05-17 20:09 <Plugh> or an error in the database related settings being used by the PHP code.
2016-05-17 20:09 <JohnnyQ> I'll go back over the URLs but I'm  almost certain I went through the configuration with a fine toothed comb. 
2016-05-17 20:10 <Plugh> If you are comfortable with PHP I would modify the query.php file to capture a query to a file then you can use that to run the query manually and see if it is returning a result or an error.
2016-05-17 20:10 <JohnnyQ> OK, so output the incoming query, and save to a file. 
2016-05-17 20:10 <JohnnyQ> ? 
2016-05-17 20:11 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: http://www.pastebin.ca/3602446
2016-05-17 20:12 <Plugh> Right. Save the query to a file. Comment out the $request_xml line and set the variable using the string which was saved in your previous run.
2016-05-17 20:13 <Plugh> Run the modified query.php file and see what it says. It should output some XML code.
2016-05-17 20:13 <Plugh> If it spits out anything else (ie. any warnings or error messages) you have something not set up properly.
2016-05-17 20:13 <Plugh> Just remember to remove the hard-code value for $request_xml when you are done testing.
2016-05-17 20:14 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: I'll leave you to it for now. I have some other things to do before dinner. I'll bbl.
2016-05-17 20:15 <JohnnyQ> OK, I'll let you know what I find out. 
2016-05-17 20:15 <Plugh> ok. gl
2016-05-17 20:49 <osmantis> Bug #7766:04 Making Hypergrid Landmarks, and buying objects from Kitely to 0.9 code does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7766 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-17 20:50 <osmantis> Bug #7766:04 Making Hypergrid Landmarks, and buying objects from Kitely to 0.9 code does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7766 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-17 21:47 <smxy> I've had an issue, for a long time (since vars were introduced), that I wonder if anyone else has seen. I can't login to my var region. I'm told it's unavailable and I'm moved elsewhere. I can then immediately TP to it, just fine. I also cannot TP to it via an LM, when I am off-grid. I'm told that it no longer exists, even though I may have just left there. I can, however, open up my world 
2016-05-17 21:47 <smxy> map, enter the address for my grid and that region, and then TP to it. It's very frustrating. I don't want vars to behave differently than non-vars, in these cases.
2016-05-17 21:52 <Plugh> Other than a difference in dimensions I don't know why vars should be handled any differently from any regular region.
2016-05-17 21:55 <smxy> They clearly behave differently in this regard. I should say that it not true ALL of the time, that an LM won't take me back. Just some of the time. But I've NEVER been able to log directly into my var region, by name - and maybe that's a clue - but if it was my last location and I say to login at last location, that DOES work.
2016-05-17 21:55 <osmantis> Bug #7766:04 Making Hypergrid Landmarks, and buying objects from Kitely to 0.9 code does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7766 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-17 21:57 <smxy> Perhaps it's a viewer issue, not an Robust or Simulator issue.
2016-05-17 22:01 <Plugh> Seems to be all kinds of problems with vars.
2016-05-17 22:11 <smxy> They need to be sorted out BEFORE megaregions are removeed.
2016-05-17 22:11 <smxy> removed*
2016-05-17 22:34 <osmantis> Bug #7766:04 Making Hypergrid Landmarks, and buying objects from Kitely to 0.9 code does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7766 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-05-17 23:18 <JohnnyQ> OK, so the log output of query.php is two xml blocks
2016-05-17 23:40 <JohnnyQ> In fact, it looks like the query is  output twice
2016-05-17 23:43 <Plugh> That would explain the error about multiple root elements.
2016-05-17 23:46 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: Didyou change SearchModule in config-include/Standalone.ini from BasicSearchModule to the OpenSimSearch module?
2016-05-17 23:47 <Plugh> That entry should not be changed. 
2016-05-17 23:54 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-18 00:04 <JohnnyQ> Not using standalone
2016-05-18 00:04 <Plugh> What ever you are using, there is a reference to SearchModule that is set to BasicSearchModule. You do not change that entry when you are using the OpenSimSearch module.
2016-05-18 00:05 <Plugh> That SearchModule setting is also in Grid.ini and GridHypergrid.ini 
2016-05-18 00:07 <JohnnyQ> I didn't change that one. 
2016-05-18 00:07 <JohnnyQ> Is there also a robust setting? I think so, but I don't remember specifically. 
2016-05-18 00:08 <Plugh> ok. I have no idea why you have duplicate output. You seem to be running two copies of the search module.
2016-05-18 00:09 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: no, this is an module used by instances
2016-05-18 00:10 <JohnnyQ> It's supposed to be in all of the opensim instances. 
2016-05-18 00:10 <JohnnyQ> Yeah 
2016-05-18 00:10 <Plugh> search your ini files for OpenSimSearch and make sure you only have one reference to the module.
2016-05-18 00:10 <JohnnyQ> Ok
2016-05-18 00:10 <Plugh> bbiab.
2016-05-18 00:23 <Plugh> Let me update that to "bbl". I'm going to be afk again for a while.
2016-05-18 01:15 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: I was thinking of what you said earlier. You get two XML blocks when you run "php query.php"? Do you have more than one call to xmlrpc_server_call_method() near the bottom of the query.php file?
2016-05-18 01:33 <JohnnyQ> I'll look. I didn't find any duplicate module calls in the configuration files 
2016-05-18 01:37 <JohnnyQ> Only one occurrence 
2016-05-18 02:04 <JohnnyQ> I'm off to bed 
2016-05-18 02:04 <JohnnyQ> Bbl 
2016-05-18 02:13 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-05-18 07:28 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-18 08:19 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-18 09:42 <JeffKelley> Le problème avec cette histoire de sits est que core est aux abonnés absents. Je l'ai signalé deux fois en office hours sur osgrid, deux fois sur irc dont la dernière fois très explicitement hier en demandant à Melanie sa position. Pas de réponse. A deux reprises, kevinc a éludé avec "je commite pas parce que j'ai déjà vu des patches d'une ligne refusés", "je suis pas sûr que le commentaire disant de soustraire 
2016-05-18 09:42 <JeffKelley> soit valide", "c'est ouvrir une boîte de Pandore" (can of worms). Je ne vois pas qu'une bronca massive des users mais c'est vraiment fatiguant.
2016-05-18 10:54 <ssm2017> oops wrong window JeffKelley :)
2016-05-18 11:26 <Melanie_T> JeffKelley: which patches are you talking about here?
2016-05-18 11:32 <JeffKelley> it was a leaked message but I fully assume my stupidity : that was a talk about #7903
2016-05-18 11:35 <Melanie_T> the issue ther is that we have to retest, and that hasn't happened yet, if the new sit offsets match SL
2016-05-18 11:35 <Melanie_T> if the new sit offsets match SL, we may provide some migration assistane but would expect content to be fixed
2016-05-18 11:36 <Melanie_T> if the new offsets also don't match sl - we know the old ones don't! - then we will probably make it a simple switch
2016-05-18 11:36 <Melanie_T> in short, it is importnt to us that, once we do manage to match SL, it is at least impossible to create new content using the old offsets
2016-05-18 11:37 <Melanie_T> while trying to keep old content working
2016-05-18 11:37 <Melanie_T> i've done some work on that but not all yet
2016-05-18 11:47 <JeffKelley> if I understand well, we had a 'wrong' sit offset for years and we are now going to change this to be SL-compliant
2016-05-18 12:55 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-18 13:04 <JeffKelley> Melanie_T : I have included a 08/09/sl comparison in the mantis ; if you want me to do further tests, just ask
2016-05-18 16:36 <Johnny_Q> Plugh, so glad to see you.
2016-05-18 16:36 <Johnny_Q> brb
2016-05-18 16:53 <Mandarinka> Hello! I'm searching documentation of osGrantScriptPermissions in the code, but it seems, that it is not actually present. where can I find part of the code concerning this function ?
2016-05-18 16:56 <JeffKelley> don't seem implemented yet
2016-05-18 16:58 <Mandarinka> i see ok then. Well, in osslEnable.ini, there are lines responsible for enabling osGrantScriptPermissions and osRevokeScriptPermissions, so I was thinking that it could work :)
2016-05-18 16:59 <JeffKelley> you are correct but I see no appearence of the symbol in the sources; it's not listed in IOSSL_Api.cs
2016-05-18 16:59 <JeffKelley> they are flaged Pending Peer Review on the wiki http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OSSL_Implemented
2016-05-18 17:00 <Mandarinka> yes, i have also noticed lack of presence of them.  I wonder maybe someone has published some papers=results, info about it :)
2016-05-18 17:00 <Mandarinka> because, there is example of the script in wiki but why it is present since, it is absent in the code :)
2016-05-18 17:01 <JeffKelley> the wiki page was created 27 February 2015
2016-05-18 17:02 <JeffKelley> I see that's a way to grant permission at run-time (as opposed to initialization time)
2016-05-18 17:03 <Mandarinka> yes that is trick that can work alike experience keys in SL now
2016-05-18 17:03 <JeffKelley> i know nothing about 'experiences'
2016-05-18 17:06 <Mandarinka> my idea is, to make possible automatic debit_money_permission in certain vendors. that is reason why i would like to try osGrantScriptPermissions, because it looks, that such function could make it possible for me, Though i am not certain of that, since i cant see the code yet )
2016-05-18 17:07 <JeffKelley> that's another thing
2016-05-18 17:08 <JeffKelley> osGrantScriptPermissions would allow your script to execute an osFunction
2016-05-18 17:09 <Mandarinka> good, so i can create osslRequestPermission that is going to work only with money_debit, 
2016-05-18 17:09 <JeffKelley> not sure you can force PERMISSION_DEBIT (hope you can't :)
2016-05-18 17:10 <JeffKelley> why not using llRequestPermissions ?
2016-05-18 17:10 <Mandarinka> that is opensim = freedom, so why not :)
2016-05-18 17:10 <Mandarinka> because i want my script be reset
2016-05-18 17:11 <Mandarinka> and i do not want to stay 24/7 to grant permissions
2016-05-18 17:13 <JeffKelley> like when you debug a script asking for permission and being asked 50 times a day, with a window hidden behind your script ?
2016-05-18 17:16 <Mandarinka> not a debug :)  i want certain scripts that i have written for money vendors, be reset after each transaction. now it is not possible, because reset makes script lose money_debit, . But in my grid, just onyl for me, i want money_debit live even after resetting
2016-05-18 17:18 <Mandarinka> Additionally, such functionality seems to be very interesting from theoretical point of view.  
2016-05-18 17:35 <Plugh> If you have a script asking you for permissions 50 times a day there is something wrong with the script.
2016-05-18 17:35 <JeffKelley> when you develop a script, permissions get lost each time you recompile
2016-05-18 17:38 <Mandarinka> yes, precisely. but, when you develop such script, you are obliged to accept situation = granting permissions many time. Anyway Jeff, You have pointed me to old way = llrequestPemissions and i can feel that it is possibel to create sister function, only for PERMISSION_DEBIT, that  "forcing' can be possible
2016-05-18 17:40 <JeffKelley> all permissions are cleared when a script is reset
2016-05-18 17:45 <JeffKelley> maybe you can "emulate" what does llRequestPermissions, bypassing dialog
2016-05-18 17:47 <JeffKelley> look inside OpenSim/Region/ScriptEngine/Shared/Api/Implementation/LSL_Api.cs
2016-05-18 17:51 <Mandarinka> yes, too. I also look at:World.GetExtraSetting,  I could try to add appropriate perm and  , granting would be automatic for such class of perms
2016-05-18 17:57 <JeffKelley> of course, that's opening a major security issue
2016-05-18 18:00 <Mandarinka> yes but i am absoluteluy not afraid it . because i can secure such new fucntion with: AllowedOwnerClasses , so script wil be workign only with my avatat and only with script i have created
2016-05-18 18:00 <Mandarinka> AllowedOwnersCreators
2016-05-18 18:01 <Johnny_Q> Friggin IRC client, doesnt seamlessly switch between Mobile Data and Wifi
2016-05-18 18:55 <Johnny_Q> So, we've covered multiple references to the OpenSimSearch in the ini files. none there. We made sure that the default search module was not changed in the GridCommon or GridHypergrid.ini files.
2016-05-18 18:55 <Johnny_Q> all the php is looking right, as far as I know. and the databases are working right. So, what could be causing the second XML block in the query output?
2016-05-18 18:56 <Johnny_Q> I'll be in and out, I'll catch your response.
2016-05-18 19:01 <Plugh> Johnny_Q: I was thinking about what you said yesterday. If running "php query.php" with $request_xml set to a copy of saved request string is generating two sets of xml blocks then there is something wrong with the PHP code. 
2016-05-18 19:11 <Johnny_Q> I was also thinking something along those lines, but I am not familiar with the methods used to construct the XML blocks. Or I would look into it more myself.
2016-05-18 19:12 <mschuess> Is anyone here familiar with using FreeSwitch voice service?
2016-05-18 19:20 <Plugh> Johnny_Q: First thing is to make sure you only have one call to xmlrpc_server_call_method(). It will at the end of the file right after the value of $request_xml is set.
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2016-05-18 19:44 <Johnny_Q> right, there's only one call there. As you stated. Which means its further up somewhere right?
2016-05-18 19:54 <Plugh> I'm thinking you should re-copy the query.php file from the github repo and test it again. You should not be getting two xml blocks.
2016-05-18 19:59 <Plugh> Johnny_Q: When I use one of my saved queries to set $request_xml and run query.php I get something like this -> http://www.pastebin.ca/3603499
2016-05-18 20:00 <Plugh> Only one "<?xml ..." string at the top of the output and one <params> block.
2016-05-18 20:03 <Johnny_Q> Right, and the output i get is two blocks, only the second <?xml is missing a few characters.
2016-05-18 20:08 <Johnny_Q> oddly enough, I am not getting anything to the query.log now. :-/
2016-05-18 20:13 <Plugh> I'm thinking the best thing to do at this point is start over from scratch. I'll give you the URL to the code to make sure you are getting it from the right place and we can go from there. 
2016-05-18 20:13 <Plugh> Not right now though. I'm about to go out for a walk.
2016-05-18 20:14 <Plugh> FYI, I'm using PHP 5.5.9 on my machine and PHP 5.3.3 on another machine where I'm using the search module.
2016-05-18 20:14 <Johnny_Q> ok
2016-05-18 20:15 <Johnny_Q> I'm on 5.6, but is that what is causing issues?
2016-05-18 20:15 <Plugh> The URL to the code is http://forge.opensimulator.org/kcozens/OpenSimSearch
2016-05-18 20:15 <Johnny_Q> thats where I got it. I will install accourding to the directions and then wait for you
2016-05-18 20:15 <Plugh> It shouldn't cause a problem. I just mentioned it as it isn't a version I've used.
2016-05-18 20:15 <Johnny_Q> right
2016-05-18 20:17 <Plugh> You can do a fresh clone of that repo and do the test with the query.php file. You wouldn't need to do any real install to test it. You just need to put in your database access information in to the databaseinfo.php file.
2016-05-18 20:17 <Johnny_Q> ok
2016-05-18 20:17 <Plugh> Once you can get the single xml block when running query.php you can update your copy of the module code and rebuild it.
2016-05-18 20:18 <Plugh> That will get you to where you will be ready to test the module with a copy of OpenSim.
2016-05-18 20:19 <Plugh> ttyl. I'm heading out for a walk once I get this cat off my lap.
2016-05-18 20:19 <Plugh> Ah, there she goes. 
2016-05-18 20:20 <Plugh> oh, its play time. She just brought me one of her toys. 
2016-05-18 20:20 <Plugh> ok, time for me to go. :)
2016-05-18 22:55 <Johnny_Q> ok, still getting the error :-/
2016-05-18 22:56 <Johnny_Q> but, only one block of xml
2016-05-18 23:13 <Johnny_Q> http://pastebin.ca/3603592
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2016-05-19 00:18 <H-H-H> Johnny_Q that looks nothing like it is sposed to
2016-05-19 00:18 <H-H-H> http://www.pastebin.ca/3603499
2016-05-19 00:25 <Johnny_Q> for me, if I pass query.php through the php executable I get nothing.
2016-05-19 00:26 <H-H-H> then you have an error
2016-05-19 00:27 <H-H-H> are php errors turned on
2016-05-19 00:30 <Johnny_Q> not sure, where do I look?
2016-05-19 00:31 <H-H-H> first place would be your php ini
2016-05-19 00:31 <H-H-H> also check that xmlrpc is enabled to
2016-05-19 00:32 <Johnny_Q> I know that is, had to have it for something else
2016-05-19 00:37 <Johnny_Q> ill check error reportoing and get back with you
2016-05-19 00:39 <Aramis^^> sidetrack question, xml doesn't need a closing tag like </?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>  ?
2016-05-19 00:40 <H-H-H> ive seen xml work both with and without but im not 100% sure if it should have a end tag
2016-05-19 00:41 <Aramis^^> ok just curious I noticed neither pastebin had a closing tag
2016-05-19 00:41 <H-H-H> i expect certain applications would be more strict about it than others :)
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2016-05-19 01:31 <Johnny_Q> no output to query.log
2016-05-19 03:05 <Plugh> H-H-H: Running "php query.php" is supposed to return nothing. 
2016-05-19 03:07 <Plugh> Johnny_Q: I'm not sure what a response to a land query is supposed to look like but the fact you only get one xml block now is progress.
2016-05-19 03:07 <H-H-H> my apologies lol i asumed in your paste that was the output lol
2016-05-19 03:08 <Plugh> H-H-H: np. It is a quick way to at least make sure there is no gross error in the PHP code or in the configuration it needs to access the databases.
2016-05-19 03:09 <H-H-H> ive not used the tests in search or groups myself probably should have the amount of hair ive lost lol
2016-05-19 03:10 <Plugh> Johnny_Q: I'm going afk from the computer for a while. You can catch me some time tomorrow.
2016-05-19 05:36 <Charlie_Omega> could an admin of the wiki please PM me when ya can?
2016-05-19 12:20 <Johnny_Q> Morning!
2016-05-19 13:56 <Johnny_Q> waiting on Plugh...
2016-05-19 13:56 <Johnny_Q> dum de dum dum
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2016-05-20 01:21 <Johnny_Q> trying a fresh setup, Plugh, do you have a link to the source or binary package for the version you used to compile the OSS currently available?
2016-05-20 02:58 <Plugh> Johnny_Q: I get my source files from the git repositories.
2016-05-20 03:03 <Johnny_Q> So the latest source for 0.8.2.1
2016-05-20 03:03 <Johnny_Q> ok
2016-05-20 03:05 <Plugh> I don't think in terms of that sort of version number. I check out the 0.8.2-post-fixes branch from the git repos. That should be the same as what you think of as 0.8.2.1
2016-05-20 03:05 <Plugh> or close enough to the same to not matter for what you are trying to do.
2016-05-20 03:07 <Johnny_Q> ok, cause I know there were some compile warnings the last time I compiled
2016-05-20 03:07 <Johnny_Q> but if it's cool
2016-05-20 03:12 <Plugh> yea, there are a bunch of warnings during compile.
2016-05-23 17:20 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-05-23 17:22 <Melanie_T> JeffKelley: your solution was too simplisitc. The Avination code actually required the sign to be the other way around. That computation should not hve been on the common code path
2016-05-23 17:22 <Melanie_T> i split it so avn code uses + which is correct for that code and legacy uses -
2016-05-23 17:23 <Melanie_T> i applied your oatch to fix the llegacy switch. Good catch, thanks!
2016-05-23 17:26 <JeffKelley> Build FAILED.
2016-05-23 17:26 <JeffKelley> did I mess my git?
2016-05-23 17:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4639: FAILURE in 7 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4639/
2016-05-23 17:31 <Melanie_T> looks like jenkins didn't get a checkout done
2016-05-23 17:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #4640 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4638 6 days 12 hr ago)
2016-05-23 17:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4640: STILL FAILING in 1 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4640/
2016-05-23 17:31 <osjenkins> * melanie: Addressing #7903. Fix legacy sit offsets to use legacy computation.
2016-05-23 17:31 <osjenkins> * melanie: Fixed discrepancy between code and ini symbols.
2016-05-23 17:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #4641 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4638 6 days 12 hr ago)
2016-05-23 17:38 <JeffKelley> 0.8 and 0.9 scripted sits are identical, thanks Melanie
2016-05-23 17:39 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-05-23 17:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4641: FIXED in 5 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4641/
2016-05-23 17:39 <osjenkins> melanie: Fix a line deletion that should not have been deleted
2016-05-23 19:09 <Mandarinka_T> Hello :) I have question to Melanie :) You have accepted:#7903. Fix legacy sit offsets to use legacy computation. But you have set: newPos = sitTargetPos + sitOffset + SIT_TARGET_ADJUSTMENT for case: sitOffset = up * Appearance.AvatarHeight * 0.02638f , saying that it is correct math. if other is not correct then why to accept ? sayign that this secoedn case is correct is not appropriate in my opinion. but never mind. Why d
2016-05-23 19:10 <Mandarinka_T> for me , new way of computation exists only in this line: sitOffset = up * Appearance.AvatarHeight * 0.02638f;  and   adding sitOffset  instead of subtraction , makes that both two versions wil vary 2x 0.05
2016-05-23 19:11 <Mandarinka_T> maybe there is somethign i do not know yet behind the backgroudn but why  addition of sitOffset is better than subtraction, vector newPos is just final result
2016-05-23 19:12 <Mandarinka_T> after both of computations
2016-05-23 19:13 <Mandarinka_T> For me the new method of offsetting is just here: sitOffset = up * Appearance.AvatarHeight * 0.02638f;  but subtraction should be used in both ases, i would like you to explain it
2016-05-23 19:16 <Mandarinka_T> the algebraic vector calculus is made in both versiosn in same way and only this:sitOffset = up * Appearance.AvatarHeight * 0.02638f; makes difference so for what to add addiotnal 0.05 ?
2016-05-23 19:20 <Mandarinka_T> I understand that new sitOffsetting needs to create better adjsutign the avatar, that is why , Apperance.AvatarHeight* 0.02638f has been applie dan that is clear for me,in old way of sitoffsettign was only sitOffset = 0.05, but next final result vector newPos shoudl eb identical 
2016-05-23 19:25 <Mandarinka_T> I even do not mention that such people liek  Mata Hari now, will need to create two versions of products, for  "+"  and for  "-" to workaround with difference between vectors
2016-05-23 19:30 <JeffKelley> Mandarinka_T : did you test the last commit ? I did and see identical sit positions for 0.8 and 0.9, same seat, same avatar, same script
2016-05-23 19:31 <Mandarinka_T> Hi Jeff, you mean this last master that Melanie has accepted ?
2016-05-23 19:31 <JeffKelley> yes
2016-05-23 19:32 <Mandarinka_T> no , i  have not tested yet, one moment, then my fault. but why it shows you the same ?
2016-05-23 19:32 <Mandarinka_T> i know why
2016-05-23 19:33 <Mandarinka_T> beause you set Legacy = on
2016-05-23 19:33 <Mandarinka_T> true
2016-05-23 19:33 <JeffKelley> yes
2016-05-23 19:33 <Mandarinka_T> but please
2016-05-23 19:33 <Mandarinka_T> set Lgeacy = off  = false
2016-05-23 19:33 <Mandarinka_T> and then compare
2016-05-23 19:33 <Mandarinka_T> and i thikn you realise that new method is not simply translation = ve3ctor to move avaatr
2016-05-23 19:34 <Mandarinka_T> now, after Melanie acceptation: we have difference when legacy=false
2016-05-23 19:34 <Mandarinka_T> the difference is onyl that switcher in opensimdefauklts.ini works
2016-05-23 19:36 <Mandarinka_T> you realise also that now, soem ppl wil use legacy=on and other ones legacy=off and  it is problem for creators, but the most impoprtant, "addition"  is worse than subtraction, becasue additon onyl moves avtar higher that is not assumption of the new sitoffsettign method
2016-05-23 19:37 <Mandarinka_T> so in other words, your commit, based on our solutions, have been changed in this one math sign and stil it is difference
2016-05-23 19:39 <JeffKelley> new and legacy computations cannot give the same result, by design
2016-05-23 19:39 <Mandarinka_T> In other words, if we would assume that new method only relies on moving avatar higher, then for what to create such method ? if it can be reaced in lsl ? new method is only here for me: sitOffset = up * Appearance.AvatarHeight * 0.02638f;
2016-05-23 19:40 <Mandarinka_T> not in vector newPos
2016-05-23 19:41 <Mandarinka_T> Jeff, i know that two methods should vary, but for what to move avatar higher ? can you explain me it in nice reaosnable way ?
2016-05-23 19:42 <Mandarinka_T> they do tno give th esame result Jeff, look at sitOffset vector
2016-05-23 19:42 <Mandarinka_T> i wroe math difference in mantis:
2016-05-23 19:42 <JeffKelley> i see it this way : some grids will opt for the new sit for good reasons, those grids will need fixed seats ; other grids will opt for legacy sits and won't fix anything
2016-05-23 19:43 <Mandarinka_T> i see, well that is not what i expect :) but look up * ( (float)offset - Appearance.AvatarHeight * 0.02638f)   this is math vectorial difference between  legacy on and legacy off
2016-05-23 19:44 <Mandarinka_T> so it proves, in math way, there is difference
2016-05-23 19:44 <Mandarinka_T> even if in both cases, we have subtraction
2016-05-23 19:44 <Mandarinka_T> can you see it ?>
2016-05-23 19:44 <Mandarinka_T> and with addition + , this difference is other
2016-05-23 19:44 <JeffKelley> of course there is a difference, if not, why this option ?
2016-05-23 19:45 <Mandarinka_T> but is bigger :)
2016-05-23 19:45 <Mandarinka_T> cant you see it ?
2016-05-23 19:45 <Mandarinka_T> if we apply  plus sighn then difference is:   bigger on 2* 0.05
2016-05-23 19:46 <JeffKelley> i'm seeing a +0.1m difference with the default female
2016-05-23 19:46 <Mandarinka_T> yes exactly
2016-05-23 19:46 <Mandarinka_T> 0.1 = 2 * 0.05
2016-05-23 19:47 <Mandarinka_T> I understand new computation: sitOffset = up * Appearance.AvatarHeight * 0.02638f;  that instead of old way writing: sitOffset = up * 0.05
2016-05-23 19:47 <Mandarinka_T> but finally, we use oen newPos
2016-05-23 19:50 <Mandarinka_T> the difference should be equal = up * ( (float)offset - Appearance.AvatarHeight * 0.02638f)   
2016-05-23 19:50 <Mandarinka_T> and with plus sign we have = up * ( (float)offset - Appearance.AvatarHeight * 0.02638f) +2 * 0.05
2016-05-23 19:51 <JeffKelley> are you discussing the result or the code ?
2016-05-23 19:52 <Mandarinka_T> my english is wrong or what :)  result is in the code, what we can see in world, is just visualisation Jeff.
2016-05-23 19:54 <Mandarinka_T> 1) I agree that the current code has its own calculation wrong. The sit offset should have been subtracted if it's following the initial scripts in [1]. When this is done the sit position is much closer to SL.
2016-05-23 19:54 <Mandarinka_T> this is from Justin in the past, so 
2016-05-23 19:55 <Mandarinka_T> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7096
2016-05-23 19:55 <Mandarinka_T> but never mind now, i stil do not understand why we need to have difference incrfeased on value 2 *  0.05
2016-05-23 19:55 <Mandarinka_T> =0.1
2016-05-23 19:57 <Mandarinka_T> there is difference here: up * ( (float)offset - Appearance.AvatarHeight * 0.02638f)  and why to increase it on 2 * 0.05
2016-05-23 19:57 <Mandarinka_T> should i take it as an axiom ? or what ?
2016-05-23 19:59 <Mandarinka_T> it is the same, i use metaphore,  if we evalute integral ( indefinite one ) and other person  wants us to add constant C , like it would make any serious difference for checking with the derivative
2016-05-23 20:03 <Plugh> The first thing that needs to be agreed upon is what is the correct calculation. AFAIK, master now has a sit position that is (almost?) identical to SL. The calculation change was picked up as part of the code that came from avination. If changing the sign makes sit position be the same as in 0.8 that would be a regression (assuming that the legacy sit option wasn't set).
2016-05-23 20:04 <Mandarinka_T> first it should be established what is identical to SL:  addition or subtraction
2016-05-23 20:05 <Mandarinka_T> in this moemnt of vector newos
2016-05-23 20:05 <Mandarinka_T> Pos*]
2016-05-23 20:06 <Mandarinka_T> i ahve heard that in the past: 0./8 , sitoffset was  set like in sl, almost
2016-05-23 20:08 <Mandarinka_T> the final vector that makes yoru avatar sit is here: Vector 3 newPos, it is the sum of three other vectors
2016-05-23 20:09 <Mandarinka_T> and only one of them is different ,after merging the code with avination :  this one is: sitOffset
2016-05-23 20:09 <Mandarinka_T> in old system ( sl , 0.8 ) , sitOffset = sitOffset = up * (float)offset; where offset = 0.05 and
2016-05-23 20:10 <Mandarinka_T> in new system: sitOffset = up * Appearance.AvatarHeight * 0.02638f
2016-05-23 20:10 <Mandarinka_T> so this fact makes difference between 0.8 and 0.9 
2016-05-23 20:10 <Mandarinka_T> but in my opinion, for both cases, final vector newPos  should be equal to: newPos = sitTargetPos - sitOffset + SIT_TARGET_ADJUSTMENT;
2016-05-23 20:11 <Mandarinka_T> and that makes the sense, because , the difference exists
2016-05-23 20:11 <Mandarinka_T> but if we write final vector in way: newPos = sitTargetPos + sitOffset + SIT_TARGET_ADJUSTMENT; for 0.9 and newPos = sitTargetPos - sitOffset + SIT_TARGET_ADJUSTMENT; for 0.8
2016-05-23 20:11 <Mandarinka_T> the difference is significanlt, bigger, as everyone can easily notice
2016-05-23 20:12 <Mandarinka_T> i absolutely do not negate new way sitOffset = up * Appearance.AvatarHeight * 0.02638f
2016-05-23 20:12 <Mandarinka_T> i onyl cant understand why   we need to write  minus instead of plus , in the form of final vector that sits our avatars
2016-05-23 20:13 <Mandarinka_T> becasue with plus sign , the difference is so big and makes problem with the content of opensim that has been created in the past
2016-05-23 20:14 <Mandarinka_T> and translation of abatar just higher on 2* o.05 is not justification
2016-05-23 20:14 <Mandarinka_T> to do that
2016-05-23 20:17 <Mandarinka_T> I suspect that reason is, that in Avination, all sits have been establsihed to work with plus sign, and now, if we want to have old  plus with new method,that makes problem , i think, but that is question of choice
2016-05-23 20:19 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2016-05-23 20:20 <Mandarinka_T> yes yes i am discussing it and even now Mata hair has written exactly
2016-05-23 20:20 <Mandarinka_T> comment that refers to my concerns
2016-05-23 20:20 <Mandarinka_T> she ha s also noticed it
2016-05-23 20:21 <Mandarinka_T> that accepting this patch , but with modifyng minus to plus stil creates problem
2016-05-23 20:21 <Melanie_T> Mandarinka_T: the code in 0.9 is from avination
2016-05-23 20:21 <Melanie_T> it has + there and that works with this math
2016-05-23 20:21 <Melanie_T> the opensim code used to have - there
2016-05-23 20:21 <Melanie_T> because it is different math
2016-05-23 20:21 <Melanie_T> the opensim code use a magic number
2016-05-23 20:22 <Melanie_T> it doesn't react to avatar height
2016-05-23 20:22 <Melanie_T> i did check both ancestor versions
2016-05-23 20:22 <Melanie_T> and made it so the math from both ancestor versions correct
2016-05-23 20:23 <Melanie_T> the original avination code produces results very close to SL
2016-05-23 20:24 <Melanie_T> the original opensim code produces results that are somewhat less accurate especially for avatars at the lower end of the size spectrum
2016-05-23 20:24 <Melanie_T> in the merge, the line of code was merged where it should have remained separate
2016-05-23 20:24 <Melanie_T> because the avination requires a + there, if a - is used avatars wind up inside the seats!
2016-05-23 20:24 <Mandarinka_T> Yes Melanie, but you agree that  vector translation = movign avatar higher is just  not meritum, or hwo to say,  i agree with you that new method of aviantion is here:  sitOffset = up * Appearance.AvatarHeight * 0.02638f;   < -  that makes better adjustmentm you confirm it
2016-05-23 20:24 <Melanie_T> the opensim code, on the other hand, requires a -
2016-05-23 20:25 <Melanie_T> one of the points of the merge is to bring improvements from avination to opensim
2016-05-23 20:25 <Mandarinka_T> yes so maybe  beter minus ? you can still use plus in yoru avination and everyoen can be happy
2016-05-23 20:25 <Plugh> 0.2638f? That looks like a magic number to me. :)
2016-05-23 20:25 <Melanie_T> another is, of course, to not create a situation where avination content breaks
2016-05-23 20:26 <Melanie_T> Mandarinka_T: the 0.9 code needs + there
2016-05-23 20:26 <Melanie_T> the math is different
2016-05-23 20:26 <Mandarinka_T> i agree that minus is problem for avination, but that is just way of arithmetics,  all otgher thigns are convergent to each other
2016-05-23 20:26 <Melanie_T> Plugh: I beieve that is a viewer sourced constant
2016-05-23 20:26 <Plugh> ok. Would be worth noting that in the code.
2016-05-23 20:27 <Melanie_T> Mandarinka_T: if you don't like the new way of sitting, turn it off
2016-05-23 20:27 <Melanie_T> but we're not going to create yet a 3rd method
2016-05-23 20:28 <Melanie_T> there is the legacy opensim one and the avn sourced one
2016-05-23 20:28 <Melanie_T> and that is all there us
2016-05-23 20:28 <Melanie_T> is*
2016-05-23 20:28 <Mandarinka_T> well Melanie : )i do not say, i do not like : ) i like, but you realise that now we have difference 2 * 0.05   , what that means for creators of animations
2016-05-23 20:28 <Mandarinka_T> of furniture
2016-05-23 20:29 <Melanie_T> as soon as i find the time, there will be anotehr change
2016-05-23 20:29 <Plugh> The pictures attached to the report seem to indicate the new calc isn't giving a sit pos the same as in SL. I should run a test myself to see how it works. I have an av that is the same in SL as in OpenSim as I copied over my avs appearance data.
2016-05-23 20:29 <Melanie_T> basically, the change will be to allow LegacySitOffsets to work on any grid for "old" prims
2016-05-23 20:30 <Melanie_T> means, it will automatically recognize that a prim is old
2016-05-23 20:30 <Melanie_T> and use the legacy setting
2016-05-23 20:30 <Melanie_T> that will fox all the oars and iars ans HG freebies
2016-05-23 20:30 <Melanie_T> for all grids regardless of the setting
2016-05-23 20:30 <Melanie_T> fix*
2016-05-23 20:30 <Mandarinka_T> yes, that is nice offer, i agree
2016-05-23 20:32 <Melanie_T> also, i will retest 0.9 against the original avination code in world
2016-05-23 20:32 <Melanie_T> see that the merge devil hasn't struck elsewhere
2016-05-23 20:32 <Melanie_T> it's always these damn gremlins
2016-05-23 20:32 <H-H-H> then dont feed them after midnight :P
2016-05-23 20:33 <Melanie_T> they chewed throgh the back of the clock and ate the battery
2016-05-23 20:33 <Mandarinka_T> Melanie, sure, but i want to know, if you agree that new method of sitting exists here:   sitOffset = up * Appearance.AvatarHeight * 0.02638f;  right ?
2016-05-23 20:33 <Melanie_T> that is not the only difference
2016-05-23 20:33 <Melanie_T> there is a lot of math code above
2016-05-23 20:33 <Mandarinka_T> old method  =  sitOffset = up * (float)offset;   i was analysing this math
2016-05-23 20:33 <Melanie_T> and it may well be that that code simply prodces a diffeent sign inherently
2016-05-23 20:34 <Melanie_T> there is more to the "old" and "new" but that one line
2016-05-23 20:34 <Melanie_T> please stop harping on that one point
2016-05-23 20:34 <Melanie_T> it si NOT te only difference
2016-05-23 20:34 <Mandarinka_T> i can see that you have normalised vector but only if it comes to very small m
2016-05-23 20:35 <Melanie_T> i didn't write that code, ubit did
2016-05-23 20:35 <Plugh> bbl. 
2016-05-23 20:35 <Melanie_T> and i don't have the time now to read and understand it
2016-05-23 20:35 <Melanie_T> so i went and checked ancestor versions instead
2016-05-23 20:35 <Mandarinka_T> yes htat i supposed, so mayeb he cud make sth wrong ?
2016-05-23 20:36 <Melanie_T> that is the same code that has always been in avination and it uses PLUS
2016-05-23 20:36 <Melanie_T> so plus it will be until someone analyzes it further
2016-05-23 20:36 <Mandarinka_T> yes yes exactly so maybe he could thought, that writng plus or  copying , does not make any problem for opensim
2016-05-23 20:36 <Melanie_T> correct
2016-05-23 20:36 <Mandarinka_T> since he has not checked code of 0.8 in opensim
2016-05-23 20:36 <Melanie_T> but that means that making it a minus globally would break avination style sitting
2016-05-23 20:37 <Melanie_T> so i made it to be - for legacy and remain + for new
2016-05-23 20:37 <Melanie_T> and it will stay that way until i have the time to look at it
2016-05-23 20:37 <Melanie_T> i expect most grids to use legacy anyway
2016-05-23 20:37 <Mandarinka_T> yes :)  for avination , it can be the problem i agree, but avination can run code litle bit diffenert and iam sure you have diferent 
2016-05-23 20:37 <Melanie_T> so it's not like a huge number of people would be affected if it does turn out to be wrong
2016-05-23 20:37 <Melanie_T> but changing it to - now for the avn sits and then finding it's wrong and changing it BACK to +
2016-05-23 20:38 <Melanie_T> would cause a lot of frustrated content creators
2016-05-23 20:38 <Melanie_T> no one wants that
2016-05-23 20:38 <Mandarinka_T> but what we can say now to such Mata hari, ? she neds to create two versions now of her products that is just exampe 
2016-05-23 20:38 <Melanie_T> no
2016-05-23 20:38 <Melanie_T> because of the fix that i'm gong to put in, her items will remember what type of sit offset to use even on other grids
2016-05-23 20:38 <Mandarinka_T> yes Dear, look, one perosn can set legacy on and other can set off, both of them can exist in same grid even liek osgrid
2016-05-23 20:39 <Mandarinka_T> i see
2016-05-23 20:39 <Melanie_T> basically, i will encode, in the prim, what sit offset it was made with
2016-05-23 20:39 <Mandarinka_T> yes  , that can cure problem i agree
2016-05-23 20:39 <Melanie_T> of course a prim made with new offsets will fail on 0.8
2016-05-23 20:39 <Melanie_T> but 0.8 should be made to go away rather quickly
2016-05-23 20:40 <Mandarinka_T> but o.8 we can say is out fo date
2016-05-23 20:40 <Melanie_T> just as soon as the remaining HG issues in 0.9 are cleared up
2016-05-23 20:40 <Melanie_T> diva will have time soon
2016-05-23 20:40 <Mandarinka_T> the most is making good 0.9 
2016-05-23 20:40 <Melanie_T> i fixed a number of non-hg related opensim issues in the past month
2016-05-23 20:41 <Melanie_T> but i would prefer if diva did the hg fixes
2016-05-23 20:41 <Melanie_T> and misterblue would maybe to the varregion fixes
2016-05-23 20:41 <Melanie_T> then we should be golden
2016-05-23 20:41 <Mandarinka_T> yes i remember, you wre also helping me, that is much of work, yes Diva is from hg things 
2016-05-23 20:42 <Mandarinka_T> ok so my offer, if you do not mind anythjgn you can write sth ab new fix youre going to make  in future to make ppl calm down, in mantis
2016-05-23 20:42 <Mandarinka_T> in aspect of this sitoffsetting
2016-05-23 20:42 <Melanie_T> sometimes, in mantis, you're focussing on too narrow a picture but i like that you are willing to get into the code to find where it messes up
2016-05-23 20:43 <Mandarinka_T> i anew here, i am mathematician and i need to learn C# :)  but i learn quicly ty for the help anytime )
2016-05-23 20:44 <Melanie_T> you're welcome
2016-05-23 20:44 <Melanie_T> and thank you for reporting things
2016-05-23 20:44 <Melanie_T> without reports, we can't fix things
2016-05-23 22:24 <H-H-H> dont you just love that you have deleted your sl account yrs ago but still get emails from groups and not only that the only way to contact sl lol is to login to thier site with what lol fresh air?
2016-05-23 22:56 <diva_> what are the outstanding HG bugs in current dev?
2016-05-23 23:27 <Mandarinka_T> Hello Diva :) There is somehg teleport bug, but I'm not sure how to define it in 100%. Scenario: Region A belngs to my grid(0.8.2.1. V2 things) , Region B belongs to OSGrid(0.9.0,,)  ,avatar logs in region A and teleports to regionB, is disconencted, console of reiogn B shows: [CAPS]: Unauthorized CAPS client uuid_here from 192.168.1.1:port, but if the same avatar teleports fromregion A in my grid to sandbox plaza in osgrid
2016-05-23 23:28 <Mandarinka_T> then console does not show warnign caps, but i am not sure if it is worth of creatign mantis, mayeb it is my net problem though really strange
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2016-05-23 23:29 <Mandarinka_T> I do not understand why avatar needs to visit sandbox plaza as kind of middle station,  In the past, withotu 0.9.0 code, i was not experiencing such issues
2016-05-23 23:32 <Mandarinka_T> in this secodn case, succesfull one, console shows: LLUDPSERVER]: Handling UseCircuitCode request for circuit 212045841 to my region name from IP 192.168.1.1:port,  So it looks like soemtimes connections from 192.168.1.1 are ok and sometimes not. if it comes hg teleports.
2016-05-23 23:32 <diva_> ah, the bug that sxmy and Melanie were talking about the other day
2016-05-23 23:32 <Mandarinka_T> i cant detect it in the code, this part yet, i was not reading ab it, but it is problem in apsectof hg teleports
2016-05-23 23:33 <diva_> iirc it's related to mono now not caching the DNS resolution or something like that. I'll have to read the log back
2016-05-23 23:33 <diva_> is there a mantis for this?
2016-05-23 23:34 <Mandarinka_T> why sandbox plaza in osgrid is better consideredfor oepsnim server and it allows for tp and directly from my grid based on , yoru vv2 solutions does not allow :) sure Diva, I ahve not written mantis, do you want me to descrive it and publish ?
2016-05-23 23:34 <diva_> I'd rather it be filled by someone who know a bit more of the technical details of the problem, including version of mono in all of those systems
2016-05-23 23:38 <Mandarinka_T> my mono in my grid is: Mono JIT compiler version 4.2.2   , unix 64 bit, but region B i run in home pc , windows . i do not know whjat is mono insandbox plaza
2016-05-23 23:38 <diva_> oh your region B in osgrid is run by you?
2016-05-23 23:39 <Mandarinka_T> yes, bu tthat is problem ?  
2016-05-23 23:39 <diva_> and is it on the same network as your viewer?
2016-05-23 23:39 <Mandarinka_T> yes but you suggest loop ?  if loop back wud be problem then i cud not tp at all
2016-05-23 23:39 <Mandarinka_T> and it works when i tp from sandbox plaza
2016-05-23 23:39 <diva_> yeah, that won't work
2016-05-23 23:40 <Mandarinka_T> addiotnally i sue special router/modem and loop back works too
2016-05-23 23:40 <Mandarinka_T> but that is not relted to llopback issue, that is sth with detection of address
2016-05-23 23:40 <diva_> cos the robust server in osgrid will see you coming from an external IP address, while your region B will see you coming from the 192.168.x.x
2016-05-23 23:40 <Mandarinka_T> yes
2016-05-23 23:41 <Mandarinka_T> but my rgion A in my grid is external for me
2016-05-23 23:41 <Mandarinka_T> i run region A not at home
2016-05-23 23:41 <diva_> where is your robust server where you login?
2016-05-23 23:42 <Melanie_T> you can NOT tp from a region that you access at a local IP to one that you access at a public IP if that region is on mono 4.2
2016-05-23 23:42 <Mandarinka_T> how should i answer ? robust server is on other address ip than my home pc
2016-05-23 23:42 <Melanie_T> you would need a stopover at a region on a public IP that is not on mono 4.2
2016-05-23 23:42 <Mandarinka_T> i see Melanie, so this middle station is necessary ?
2016-05-23 23:42 <Melanie_T> sandbox plaza is likely on an older mono
2016-05-23 23:42 <Mandarinka_T> got it, but that is not nice
2016-05-23 23:42 <Melanie_T> if sandbox plaza were on mono 4.2, you'd be unable to go there as well
2016-05-23 23:43 <diva_> that's the bug Melanie mentioned, but I'm still not sure your situation is that one
2016-05-23 23:43 <Melanie_T> you really need to set up NAT loopback
2016-05-23 23:43 <Melanie_T> diva_: it's related
2016-05-23 23:43 <diva_> it depends where your login server is
2016-05-23 23:43 <Melanie_T> fixing the dns caching bug will also fix Mandarinka_T 's bug
2016-05-23 23:44 <Melanie_T> then another HG bug i saw mentioned but can't repro because we dob't do varregions is that you can not hgtp into a varregion past 256m
2016-05-23 23:44 <Mandarinka_T> i see, so when i used old mono, that was reason i was not experiencing issues to tp to my home region
2016-05-23 23:44 <diva_> he is login in to an external server, then he is trying to tp tp a server in the same network as his viewer. That will not work
2016-05-23 23:44 <Mandarinka_T> but because i put new mono in my grid, that means problem
2016-05-23 23:45 <Melanie_T> and then there is the HG LM issue, i don't know if that's resolved yet
2016-05-23 23:45 <diva_> that's fixed
2016-05-23 23:45 <Melanie_T> but in some cases visitors to 0.9 regions can't take hg LM
2016-05-23 23:45 <Melanie_T> k
2016-05-23 23:45 <Melanie_T> then there is an ABA crossing bug affecting varregions in the same grid
2016-05-23 23:45 <Melanie_T> apparently only when crossing server boundaries
2016-05-23 23:46 <Melanie_T> and the sit thing, i got that
2016-05-23 23:46 <diva_> I think this ip issue is the main issue now. But, again, I'm not sure what Mandarinka is describing is the same this. In any case, someone should file a mantis where all this info can be recorded
2016-05-23 23:46 <Melanie_T> i hate to make a mantis out of supposition and conjecture
2016-05-23 23:46 <Melanie_T> it needs to be filed by someone who actually runs hg
2016-05-23 23:46 <Mandarinka_T> ican provide you with logs, how my grid can see tp and how reigon b insogrid runngin from home can see it
2016-05-23 23:46 <diva_> yes, and someone who has the technical information, such as versions of mono
2016-05-23 23:47 <Melanie_T> smxy is one
2016-05-23 23:47 <Melanie_T> he's tested a lot on this
2016-05-23 23:47 <diva_> smxy please file a mantis, if you haven't already
2016-05-23 23:50 <Mandarinka_T> so mono 4.2.2 becomes problem for tp to internal networks ?
2016-05-23 23:50 <Melanie_T> mono 4.2 adopt microsoft open code
2016-05-23 23:51 <Melanie_T> it changes the mono network layer
2016-05-23 23:51 <Melanie_T> but it seems the unix resolver is different from thewindows one
2016-05-23 23:51 <Melanie_T> because that same MS code causes no such issues in .NET
2016-05-23 23:52 <Melanie_T> it could be that .NET Implements the same style of caching but in a different layer of code that's not been ported yet
2016-05-23 23:52 <Melanie_T> i just don't know
2016-05-23 23:54 <Mandarinka_T> I see, so well, At least, it looks that it is not just my personal issue 
2016-05-24 02:17 <smxy> diva: I haven't read all the scrollback, but isn't #7908 the one you need?
2016-05-24 02:41 <diva_> great! Thanks smxy
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2016-05-24 08:28 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-24 09:15 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-24 09:55 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-24 14:16 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-24 14:29 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-24 14:34 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-24 15:32 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-24 15:49 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-24 17:13 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-05-25 01:41 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-25 09:21 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-25 09:28 <osmantis> Bug #7820:04 osNpcSit does not work well in actual 0.9.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7820 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-05-25 09:59 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-25 12:08 <osmantis> Bug #7820:04 osNpcSit does not work well in actual 0.9.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7820 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-05-26 12:28 <ssm2017> hello
2016-05-26 12:28 <ssm2017> is mono 4.0.0 reported as a problem with opensimulator ?
2016-05-26 12:37 <ssm2017> or 4.0.5.1
2016-05-26 16:24 <djphil> Hello, the last OSgrid OpenSimulator 0.9.0.dev.bcee4e3 - [zip] [31.8mb] 05-23-2016 include already the patch to fix Avatar/Npc sit position ?
2016-05-26 16:28 <JeffKelley> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903
2016-05-26 16:32 <Plugh> djphil: It depends on what you consider "fixed".  :)
2016-05-26 16:46 <djphil> hehe :p
2016-05-26 16:46 <djphil> i hope, i hope :)
2016-05-26 16:46 <djphil> ty fot url jeff
2016-05-26 19:57 <smxy> ssm2017: What's the issue you are having?
2016-05-26 19:59 <smxy> ssm2017: If you have HG enabled, it's best to not go higher than Mono 4.0.1.43 at this time.
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2016-05-26 23:18 <Mandarinka_T> Hello :) I've created account at github.com and I've taken opensim's source. My question is: Can I create appropriate formal patch for opensimulator.org/mantis/ using only github.com ? or should I mandatory install software on my windows pc ? All my code i create in microsoft Visual C# studio express.And i would like to use github.com to prepare formal patches, because i know that you require formal look of it.
2016-05-26 23:21 <smxy> Mandarinka_T: Github should not be trusted to be current. If you want to be sure you have the latest code, get it from opensimulator.org
2016-05-26 23:21 <Mandarinka_T> Smxy i have taken latest code from opensimulator.org and put it into my github.com account )
2016-05-26 23:22 <smxy> alright
2016-05-26 23:22 <Mandarinka_T> i jsut want to know how to create this formal look of patches
2016-05-26 23:22 <Mandarinka_T> is i tpossibel to create this formal look only at github.com ? 
2016-05-26 23:23 <smxy> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Submitting_code_to_OpenSim
2016-05-26 23:23 <smxy> That page will help you get a good start.
2016-05-26 23:23 <Mandarinka_T> wel i admit that i have read it and it is not clear for me :)
2016-05-26 23:24 <smxy> Then you will need to discuss it with one of the core developers. 
2016-05-26 23:24 <Mandarinka_T> i see ok but you do not use github/com to play with the code ?
2016-05-26 23:24 <smxy> no
2016-05-26 23:25 <smxy> I'm not a developer, so mostly I just build the code.
2016-05-26 23:25 <Mandarinka_T> ok ty anyway :) i have also installed git for windows, from this webpage: https://git-for-windows.github.io/  but it is not easy for me either :)
2016-05-26 23:26 <Mandarinka_T> i know how to write the code, i just miss this formalism of patch
2016-05-26 23:26 <smxy> That's why I suggest you discuss your questions/concerns with one of the core developers, especially since they would be the ones approving your submissions.
2016-05-26 23:26 <Mandarinka_T> good :) Thank You ) ok )
2016-05-27 02:37 <osmantis> Bug #7896:04 PRIM_TYPE reports incorrectly when flexi-prim is enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7896 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-05-27 07:19 <ssm2017> smxy hello. i do not have issues with these mono versions because i was just asking to know if i install them or not for a new setup. finally, i have just installed the default debian 8 version : 3.2.8. thank you for attention
2016-05-27 20:07 <smxy> ssm2017: Okay. Do be warned, however, that Mono versions above 4.0.1 or 4.0.2 do not play well with OpenSim. D.iva is aware of the issue and will be making changes to OpenSim, to deal with this.
2016-05-27 22:15 <Mandarinka_T> Hello :) I've got a question.I've prepared new versions of osRegionNotice and osRegionRestart and I've implemented them in my environments. I've added security layer to osRegionNotice, to make it run only for EstateOwner/Manager and Grid God. Additionally I've set possibility that notification for RegionNotice and Restart shows username of object owner. Plus I've added way to make osRegionRestart support individual message.D
2016-05-27 22:15 <Mandarinka_T> I'm asking because I do not know whether such thigns can be interested for You
2016-05-28 00:14 <Melanie_T> Mandarinka_T: why would you hard-restrict osRegionNotice to these groups when that is already possible in the config file?
2016-05-28 00:15 <Melanie_T> Mandarinka_T: You should NOT be using OpenSim from Github. Best to delete that clone
2016-05-28 00:15 <Melanie_T> the github version of opensim may be out of date, it is merely a mirror
2016-05-28 00:16 <Melanie_T> patch submission to opensim via github is not possible
2016-05-28 00:16 <Melanie_T> you need to install msysgit (for windows) or git (for all others)
2016-05-28 00:16 <Melanie_T> clone from the official opensim repo
2016-05-28 00:17 <Melanie_T> and then commit your work locally and use git format-patch <id> to format a patch we can use
2016-05-28 00:18 <Mandarinka_T> yes Melanie, i have installed msysgit and i have found, the way how to make formal patch, i hope. thsi software has such windows console so i can use git clone command too
2016-05-28 00:18 <Melanie_T> yes that is how you're supposed to do it
2016-05-28 00:19 <Melanie_T> not using some third party code warehouse
2016-05-28 00:19 <Mandarinka_T> in the code, it is written that osRegionNotice has not security layer
2016-05-28 00:19 <Mandarinka_T> and usage of such function shoudl be in my opinion based on same way as osregionrestart,  = onyl ppl who has acces to rgion/esatte window can use such ossl functions how you think ?
2016-05-28 00:20 <Melanie_T> no
2016-05-28 00:20 <Melanie_T> the config file allows pretty damn fine grained control over all os functions by default
2016-05-28 00:20 <Melanie_T> whch is why I said that osDie doesn't need a whole load of restrictions hardcoded
2016-05-28 00:21 <Melanie_T> opensim has changed direction a little
2016-05-28 00:22 <Mandarinka_T> well, yes, i do not insits on my ideas, at all. But for me, when you set, assume Verhigh level of thread in the grid, then evryoen can send such notice via ossl right ? but it shoudl be resered onyl for managers, 
2016-05-28 00:22 <Mandarinka_T> i see
2016-05-28 00:22 <Melanie_T> there are more smaller worlds and more out-of-the-box applicatiobs
2016-05-28 00:22 <Melanie_T> second life is becoming less important
2016-05-28 00:22 <Melanie_T> and it's time to do away with silly "you can't do it in SL either" type of restrictions
2016-05-28 00:22 <Melanie_T> people use opensim to build real cities
2016-05-28 00:22 <Mandarinka_T> :) sure, well ok, but osRegionRestart is limited by function canIssueEstate, 
2016-05-28 00:22 <Melanie_T> plot scientific data
2016-05-28 00:22 <Melanie_T> simulate traffic
2016-05-28 00:23 <Melanie_T> if they wanted SL, SL is what they would use!
2016-05-28 00:23 <Mandarinka_T> yes i agree, we can follow new strategy )
2016-05-28 00:23 <Melanie_T> what is special about osRegionRestart?
2016-05-28 00:23 <Melanie_T> wasn't there a script function for that already?
2016-05-28 00:23 <Mandarinka_T> when you open the code and see os region restart you can notice difference:
2016-05-28 00:24 <Mandarinka_T> it is gaurded by function only reseverd for managers
2016-05-28 00:24 <Melanie_T> well, sure
2016-05-28 00:24 <Melanie_T> but there is one thing you need to know about restarts
2016-05-28 00:24 <Mandarinka_T> this: 
2016-05-28 00:24 <Mandarinka_T> if (World.Permissions.CanIssueEstateCommand(m_host.OwnerID, false) 
2016-05-28 00:24 <Melanie_T> restarting a single region in a multi region instance does NOT WORK
2016-05-28 00:25 <Melanie_T> which is why there is a config option to make restart instead do shutdown
2016-05-28 00:25 <Melanie_T> so an external process manager can fire it up again clean
2016-05-28 00:25 <Melanie_T> the reason restarting a region doesn't work is badly written region modules
2016-05-28 00:25 <Mandarinka_T> it wor4ks but it has soem drawbacks i know ,i see, so that was reason of this security layer
2016-05-28 00:25 <Melanie_T> we still have lots
2016-05-28 00:25 <Mandarinka_T> i see
2016-05-28 00:25 <Melanie_T> see
2016-05-28 00:25 <Melanie_T> there used to be IRegionModule
2016-05-28 00:26 <Melanie_T> an interface that povided a lot of methods the cirrent region module interfaces offer
2016-05-28 00:26 <Melanie_T> but it didn't offer isolation
2016-05-28 00:26 <Melanie_T> so a region module could claim to not be shared
2016-05-28 00:26 <Melanie_T> yet still access other scenes
2016-05-28 00:26 <Melanie_T> vis Scene.CommuincationbsManager
2016-05-28 00:26 <Melanie_T> we removed that class
2016-05-28 00:26 <Melanie_T> I did
2016-05-28 00:26 <Melanie_T> one of my best decisions
2016-05-28 00:26 <Melanie_T> anyway
2016-05-28 00:27 <Melanie_T> the region modules that were written to IRegionModule didn't have a defined contract
2016-05-28 00:27 <Melanie_T> means, there was no guide as to what to do when certain callbacks come
2016-05-28 00:27 <Melanie_T> so a shared module would not release resources that went with a region
2016-05-28 00:27 <Melanie_T> and a nonshared module might have references to a region not it's own
2016-05-28 00:28 <Melanie_T> the new interface changed that and introduces defined contracts
2016-05-28 00:28 <Melanie_T> however, the existing modules were adapted only syntactivally
2016-05-28 00:28 <Melanie_T> so these older modules in CoreModule violate the data contracts
2016-05-28 00:28 <Mandarinka_T> so you suggest to not deal with such things at all ? or to think to change them ?
2016-05-28 00:28 <Melanie_T> and they keep stuff in memmory that they should not 
2016-05-28 00:29 <Melanie_T> liek references to no longer needed Scene objects
2016-05-28 00:29 <Melanie_T> eventually a region module safari is needed to fic them all
2016-05-28 00:29 <Melanie_T> until then, there is only one safe way to run opensim
2016-05-28 00:29 <Melanie_T> open region per instance
2016-05-28 00:29 <Melanie_T> and set to restart by shutting down
2016-05-28 00:29 <Melanie_T> letting an external script fire it up again
2016-05-28 00:30 <Mandarinka_T> i use monit too
2016-05-28 00:30 <Mandarinka_T> yes
2016-05-28 00:30 <Melanie_T> one*
2016-05-28 00:30 <Melanie_T> any use of multiregion means all regions in the instance will be killed when the instance terminates for restart
2016-05-28 00:30 <Mandarinka_T> I understand, ok ) but what about eventual adding possibilty to add message to osregionrestart ? in same way liek via the viewer ? 
2016-05-28 00:31 <Melanie_T> and not letting the instance terminate for restart means leaking massive amounts of memory, possibly 2gb+
2016-05-28 00:31 <Mandarinka_T> in such way: public int osRegionRestart(double seconds, string msg) etc
2016-05-28 00:31 <Melanie_T> osfunctions allow overloading
2016-05-28 00:31 <Melanie_T> so one could make such an overload
2016-05-28 00:31 <Melanie_T> patches are welcome :)
2016-05-28 00:31 <Melanie_T> you should look at the RegionRestartModue
2016-05-28 00:31 <Mandarinka_T> i have made it, it works in my regions
2016-05-28 00:32 <Melanie_T> it has all the infrastructure
2016-05-28 00:32 <Melanie_T> you can give it timed messages with various texts and substitutions
2016-05-28 00:32 <Melanie_T> it's quite nice
2016-05-28 00:32 <Melanie_T> just use it and it will automagically respect user choices about restart methods, too
2016-05-28 00:33 <Mandarinka_T> yes yes :) that i have meant fromthe beginnign, i have added text: for exampel when region is beign restarted via ossl it shwos name of owner of the script, too
2016-05-28 00:33 <Melanie_T> afk againb
2016-05-28 11:18 <osmantis> Bug #7820:04 osNpcSit does not work well in actual 0.9.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7820 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-05-28 17:45 <Mandarinka_T> Hello :) I've got such question: how to recognise situation in code, especially when it comes to ossl_Api, whether to use public void or protected void ? For example: few of my ossl functions use identical part of the code and to optimise i want to create function that is going to be called by them, but how to define such function:  as public void or protected void ? I've noticed various cases: ForceSit has been implemented 
2016-05-28 17:45 <Mandarinka_T> TeleportAgent as protected void. And i dnot know whether it was just free choice of the develoepr or soem strict principle
2016-05-28 17:48 <Mandarinka_T> Does it have any serious meaning for ossl_api if i choose public void or protected void for my own defined function ? or i need to follwo some strict rules inside this part of the code ?
2016-05-28 20:55 <Melanie_T> Mandarinka_T: Unless a function is callable from LSL, it should not be public
2016-05-28 20:56 <Melanie_T> so if it's not the osFunction itself, but a helper, that helper must be private
2016-05-28 20:56 <Melanie_T> it can be changed to protected if someone requests it because they maybe subclass OSSL_Api in their grid
2016-05-28 20:56 <Melanie_T> but generally, for helper functions private is the proper access mode
2016-05-28 21:00 <Mandarinka_T> i see, Thank You, Melanie. that info I needed :)
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2016-05-29 03:10 <osmantis> Bug #7820:04 osNpcSit does not work well in actual 0.9.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7820 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-29 03:11 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-29 05:21 <osmantis> Bug #7912:04 ubODE Physics Crash when colliding mesh at high speed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7912 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2016-05-30 00:06 <osmantis> Bug #7913:04 Enhancement - osRegionRestart(float seconds, string msg) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7913 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-05-30 00:16 <osmantis> Bug #7913:04 Enhancement - osRegionRestart(float seconds, string msg) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7913 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-05-30 00:35 <osmantis> Bug #7913:04 Enhancement - osRegionRestart(float seconds, string msg) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7913 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-30 01:12 <osmantis> Bug #7913:04 Enhancement - osRegionRestart(float seconds, string msg) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7913 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-30 02:17 <Mandarinka_T> By the way, I've noticed weird thing today: person-griefer has rezzed many prims in sandbox(nothing special in it) , sandbox is isolated region, not adjancet to any other region, water void aroudn it from each direction, but griefer's prims in soem strrange way, has appeared on other regions where entry objects was turned on. can you explain this phenomena ? certainly, onyl 1 or maxium 5 prims appeared in other regions.Grief
2016-05-30 02:18 <Mandarinka_T> how it is possible that his/her prims could pass void-empty space, no region space, and appear in other region too ?
2016-05-30 02:50 <smxy_> perhaps they visited those regions too?
2016-05-30 02:51 <Mandarinka_T> yes, but griefer had not any permissions to rezz objects there. Griefer could onyl rezz prims in a sandbox
2016-05-30 02:51 <Mandarinka_T> and in soem miraculous way, his prims appeared in 2 other regions, absolutely not adjacent to the sandbox
2016-05-30 02:52 <smxy_> was it Jack Marioline?
2016-05-30 02:52 <smxy_> Giant physical spheres?
2016-05-30 02:52 <Mandarinka_T> and those 2 regions had entry objects on
2016-05-30 02:53 <Mandarinka_T> not Jack Marioline, other nick, i needed to terminate account for such attack
2016-05-30 02:53 <Mandarinka_T> but prims were cube, non scripted though  were movign afer targetomega
2016-05-30 02:54 <Mandarinka_T> so it looks, that under soem conditions, one can rezz prims and they can pass void spaces and appear in non adjacent regions, wehre entry objects is ON
2016-05-30 02:54 <Mandarinka_T> other thing, i have noticed , cubes were located very high, on 10.000 meters
2016-05-30 02:57 <Mandarinka_T> i realise that sandboxes, from their definitions, are more vulnerable for such griefer attacks, but griefer prims should not go void spaces and appear in other regions, that is interesting
2016-05-30 03:00 <Mandarinka_T> console was showing thouands of warnigns referrign to soem object duplication, i could not even tp there , i needed to take down the attacked region and clean griefer prims manually in region database
2016-05-30 03:30 <Mandarinka_T> logs were showing thousands of such messages: Caught exception while processing OpenMetaverse.Packets.ObjectDuplicatePacket 
2016-05-30 06:32 <osmantis> Bug #7912:04 ubODE Physics Crash when colliding mesh at high speed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7912 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-30 13:59 <osmantis> Bug #7913:04 Enhancement - osRegionRestart(float seconds, string msg) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7913 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-05-30 14:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #4642 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-05-30 14:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4642: SUCCESS in 17 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4642/
2016-05-30 14:16 <osjenkins> melanie: Enhancement of osRegionRestart
2016-05-30 16:27 <osmantis> Bug #7913:04 Enhancement - osRegionRestart(float seconds, string msg) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7913 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2016-05-30 17:04 <osmantis> Bug #7913:04 Enhancement - osRegionRestart(float seconds, string msg) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7913 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-05-30 17:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #4643 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-05-30 17:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4643: SUCCESS in 15 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4643/
2016-05-30 17:20 <osjenkins> melanie: Correct spelling and grammar, thanks Mata Hari
2016-05-30 18:18 <osmantis> Bug #7874:04 Parcel properties don't take effect when entering parcel 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7874 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-05-30 23:39 <osmantis> Bug #7914:04 Fix for osTeleportAgent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7914 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-05-30 23:39 <osmantis> Bug #7914:04 Fix for osTeleportAgent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7914 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-05-31 00:26 <osmantis> Bug #7914:04 Fix for osTeleportAgent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7914 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-31 00:29 <smxy> Don't you go breakin' my TPs ....
2016-05-31 00:32 <JeffKelley> and you get a LOT
2016-05-31 00:32 <smxy> Yes. I'm very sensitive to TPs behavior changing. :)
2016-05-31 00:33 <smxy> The code is indeed commented out, as she mentions, but it's like she didn't read why - it says it's redundant and should be removed. So maybe the right fix is to drop the commented out code and change the wiki entry. :)
2016-05-31 00:38 <smxy> Did you see my posts on g+ this weekend, about my upgrades?
2016-05-31 00:39 <smxy> What a nightmare it turned out to be.
2016-05-31 00:39 <JeffKelley> i did not log into g+ from monthes
2016-05-31 00:40 <JeffKelley> s/from/for/
2016-05-31 00:40 <smxy> I replaced all the batteries in my 12 UPSes. That went okay. But before I brought down my switch (which only has one power supply), I logged into it to save the config, in case I had any unsaved changes.
2016-05-31 00:42 <smxy> It not only didn't save the config, it totally wiped out the config. I could get console access to it, but didn;t know how to use the command line, so had to call Dell for support. They got me into the GUI again and I had to reconfigure all my VLANs from memory. Thankfully, a recent project was to recable everything with color-coded cables, so it took a while but was easy enough.
2016-05-31 00:43 <osmantis> Bug #7914:04 Fix for osTeleportAgent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7914 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-31 00:43 <smxy> Then I updated the firmware on the switch, and the firmware on my firewall and the OSes on all my VMs. That went fine. But disaster struck when trying to upgrade XenServer 6.5 to 7.0.
2016-05-31 00:44 <JeffKelley> that remember me resetting a router to factory settings, then being unable to communicate with it, ordered a new one, then discovered that the old router waked up on a différent subnet
2016-05-31 00:44 <smxy> The upgrade kept failing halfway through, saying it couldn't find eth4, ewhich I knew existed.
2016-05-31 00:45 <smxy> So, I had to do a clean install after taking down tons of info about my config.
2016-05-31 00:45 <smxy> During the clean install, I found out that it was renaming all of my eth0-eth11 interfaces to eth10-eth21, which is why it couldn't find eth4.
2016-05-31 00:47 <smxy> After a lot of pain, someone in #xenserver, here, helped me get them renamed as they should be, so I configured up the networking, then did a clean install on the second server and added both to a new pool. But then they refused to re-attach my 8 iSCSI storage repositories.
2016-05-31 00:47 <smxy> So I couldn't get to my VM's disks or the info I'd backed up to be able to recreate the VMs.
2016-05-31 00:48 <smxy> Well, after more pain and more help from #xenserver, we figured out that either there's a bug with iSCSI mutipathing in 7.0 or it's changed somehow, in a way that doesn't like my multipathing config. So we bypassed mutipathing for now and I was able to re-attach the SRs, recreate the VMs and start them.
2016-05-31 00:49 <smxy> I was down for 49 hours.
2016-05-31 00:50 <osmantis> Bug #7914:04 Fix for osTeleportAgent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7914 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-31 00:51 <smxy> So it was not a very fun weekend.
2016-05-31 00:51 <JeffKelley> why keep it simple when you can make it complex
2016-05-31 00:51 <smxy> But I sure learned a lot abou my switch and XenServer, heh.
2016-05-31 00:52 <smxy> I have a deliberately complex setup, as it's my home lab. I'm a UNIX admin at work, and I learn things running this grid, that helps me at work, and vice versa.
2016-05-31 00:55 <osmantis> Bug #7914:04 Fix for osTeleportAgent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7914 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-31 01:04 <osmantis> Bug #7914:04 Fix for osTeleportAgent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7914 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-31 01:14 <osmantis> Bug #7914:04 Fix for osTeleportAgent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7914 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-31 01:37 <osmantis> Bug #7914:04 Fix for osTeleportAgent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7914 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-05-31 02:35 <osmantis> Bug #7914:04 Fix for osTeleportAgent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7914 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-31 05:19 <osmantis> Bug #7912:04 ubODE Physics Crash when colliding mesh at high speed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7912 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-31 07:04 <osmantis> Bug #7874:04 Parcel properties don't take effect when entering parcel 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7874 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-31 07:10 <osmantis> Bug #7914:04 Fix for osTeleportAgent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7914 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-31 11:52 <osmantis> Bug #7914:04 Fix for osTeleportAgent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7914 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-31 12:22 <osmantis> Bug #7874:04 Parcel properties don't take effect when entering parcel 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7874 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-31 13:54 <osmantis> Bug #7874:04 Parcel properties don't take effect when entering parcel 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7874 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-31 14:26 <osmantis> Bug #7874:04 Parcel properties don't take effect when entering parcel 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7874 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-31 14:33 <osmantis> Bug #7874:04 Parcel properties don't take effect when entering parcel 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7874 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-05-31 15:15 <diva_> if I use SmartThreadPool for concurrency, what's a reasonable number of max threads, assuming an 8-core server that runs multiple instances of opensim? 
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2016-06-01 19:35 <smxy> I have an odd issue ... I can't add my grid to a viewer (Firestorm or Alchemy) on a new computer. I've always been able to do this in the past. Now it says that it can't add it because "Server didn't provide grid info: 499 STATUS_EXPIRED but I have no idea why it's doing that. My grid config hasn't changed. Nothing is logged at the Robust console when I attempt this. Suggestions?
2016-06-01 21:32 <Melanie_T> smxy: if your grid URL is a https url, viewers can't access it if the cert is self-signed and/or expired
2016-06-01 21:32 <Melanie_T> else, try to check 
2016-06-01 21:33 <Melanie_T> http://your.login.url:port/?get_grid_info
2016-06-01 21:33 <Melanie_T> and see what comes back
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2016-06-02 02:12 <smxy> Melanie_T: It seems that when on a VPN service, I can hit that and get the absconded by knomes page (which is the right reponse, in a browser, yes?). But not on a VPN, I can't hit that page. A NAT loopback issue, I presume.
2016-06-02 02:15 <smxy> Hmm, no. I get a 404 absconded by knomes when accessing that in a browser from this machine, VPN or not. From another machine on the same net ... nothing. Times out. Odd.
2016-06-02 13:10 <ssm2017> hello. is there a script somewhere to migrate profiles from osprofiles to v2 ?
2016-06-02 13:24 <ssm2017> ok, it looks like having the same tables/columns except the new table named userdata
2016-06-02 13:35 <smxy> Melanie_T: Definitely a loopback thing. When I installed the VPN client on the new computer, and hopped onto it, the viewer could get my grid info with no trouble.
2016-06-03 17:40 <Plugh> Which physics engine is being used in osgrid?
2016-06-03 20:30 <Melanie_> Plugh: it depends on the region owner
2016-06-03 20:30 <Melanie_> i believe the plazas use bullet
2016-06-03 20:30 <Melanie_> unless that has been changed since 0.9.0
2016-06-03 22:21 <Plugh> Melanie_: ok, ty. I got a curious comment from someone testing some scripts in my git master test grid who said that the physics wasn't working quite the same as in osgrid.
2016-06-03 23:24 <misterblue> The default physics engine is BulletSim. They can use the script function 'osGetPhysicsEngineType()' to get the name of the physics engine being used
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2016-06-04 03:39 <osmantis> Bug #7915:04 Objects are not set to the group, when they are rezzed or created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7915 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-06-04 04:10 <osmantis> Bug #7915:04 Objects are not set to the group, when they are rezzed or created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7915 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-04 04:15 <osmantis> Bug #7915:04 Objects are not set to the group, when they are rezzed or created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7915 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-06-04 06:37 <osmantis> Bug #7916:04 osSetTerrainTexture and osSetTerrainTextureHeight neither work for Estate Owner nor Estate Manager without God Powers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7916 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-06-04 06:38 <osmantis> Bug #7916:04 osSetTerrainTexture and osSetTerrainTextureHeight neither work for Estate Owner nor Estate Manager without God Powers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7916 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
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2016-06-05 19:50 <osmantis> Bug #7917:04 PrimLimitsModule does not work correctly after selling land 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7917 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2016-06-06 02:05 <Melanie_> diva_: not saving these assets may be a significant spave and time savings
2016-06-06 02:06 <Melanie_> but that would mean trash entries in the user's inventory would be invalid if the user deleted an item while away
2016-06-06 02:06 <Melanie_> unless none are created in the first place but then th wuestion needs to be posed, why not have suitcase/trash?
2016-06-06 02:06 <Melanie_> just imagining someone HGing ito OSG, spending hours on building something then misclicking delete for take
2016-06-06 02:06 <Melanie_> and having no item to recover from trash?
2016-06-06 02:07 <Melanie_> not good. 
2016-06-06 02:07 <Melanie_> otoh, copying everything back and overloading small asset servers, also not good
2016-06-06 02:07 <Melanie_> how to solve?
2016-06-06 02:57 <diva_> the assets will be there in the grid. They can be recovered right them and there
2016-06-06 02:57 <diva_> they just won't be recoverable anywhere else
2016-06-06 02:58 <diva_> so a little flavour of a local inventory
2016-06-06 03:03 <diva_> they won't be copied to the home grid, but they stay local
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2016-06-06 06:27 <osmantis> Bug #7916:04 osSetTerrainTexture and osSetTerrainTextureHeight neither work for Estate Owner nor Estate Manager without God Powers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7916 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-06-06 06:28 <osmantis> Bug #7915:04 Objects are not set to the group, when they are rezzed or created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7915 ): has been UPDATED.
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2016-06-06 13:39 <osmantis> Bug #7918:04 Opensim lacks a global time sun cycle similar to mainland SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7918 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-06-06 14:25 <osmantis> Bug #7918:04 Opensim lacks a global time sun cycle similar to mainland SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7918 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-06 15:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #4644 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-06-06 15:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4644: SUCCESS in 12 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4644/
2016-06-06 15:54 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Don't copy assets to foreign asset servers when the objects are being deleted
2016-06-06 15:54 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Fixed a merge issue
2016-06-06 15:55 <osmantis> Bug #7919:04 Opensim Null Reference Exception causing server crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7919 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-06-06 16:50 <osmantis> Bug #7908:04 OpenSim broken with respect to Melanie's recommended Mono, re: reverse DNS lookups that don't match the forward lookup. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7908 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-06 16:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #4645 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-06-06 16:56 <osmantis> Bug #7919:04 Opensim Null Reference Exception causing server crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7919 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-06 17:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4645: SUCCESS in 5 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4645/
2016-06-06 17:01 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7919: fatal exception on LoadImageURLModule
2016-06-06 19:44 <osmantis> Bug #7919:04 Opensim Null Reference Exception causing server crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7919 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-06 20:26 <diva_> So I would like to look at mantis 7908 (HG DNS issues), but I don't know where to start. The info is too thin. Does anyone have logs and more info that can guide me better? http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7908
2016-06-06 22:39 <Melanie_> diva_: There is no simple solution
2016-06-06 22:39 <Melanie_> there are a nunber of cases where reverse lookups are done
2016-06-06 22:39 <diva_> hi Melanie_ I would like to understand the problem. I don't understand it yet
2016-06-06 22:39 <Melanie_> but since we can't do reverse
2016-06-06 22:39 <Melanie_> because no one can force people to have clean reverse
2016-06-06 22:39 <diva_> I don't know where exactly things fail
2016-06-06 22:40 <Melanie_> we need to stop doing ANY reverse lookups
2016-06-06 22:40 <diva_> but I don't do any reverse lookup, that's why I'm confused
2016-06-06 22:40 <Melanie_> you don't but code you call does
2016-06-06 22:40 <Melanie_> a lof of data structures pass around a server connection by means of a handle
2016-06-06 22:40 <Melanie_> this maps down to an IPEndpoint
2016-06-06 22:41 <Melanie_> which can represent UDP as well as TCP
2016-06-06 22:41 <Melanie_> the IPEndpoint has a port and address
2016-06-06 22:41 <Melanie_> it doesn't store a name
2016-06-06 22:41 <diva_> right
2016-06-06 22:41 <Melanie_> so in order to retrieve names to compare names from messages against
2016-06-06 22:41 <Melanie_> the helpers do a reverse lookup
2016-06-06 22:41 <diva_> which helpers?
2016-06-06 22:41 <Melanie_> which used to return, from cache, the result of the prior forward lookup
2016-06-06 22:42 <Melanie_> now they perform an actual reverse
2016-06-06 22:42 <Melanie_> pseudo code:
2016-06-06 22:42 <diva_> I don't remember needing name lookup in HG at all
2016-06-06 22:42 <Melanie_> method(ipendpoint, host that wants to connect)
2016-06-06 22:42 <Melanie_> get name of (ip endpoint)
2016-06-06 22:42 <Melanie_> compare to host that wants to connect
2016-06-06 22:42 <Melanie_> return fail if not equal
2016-06-06 22:42 <Melanie_> is the schema
2016-06-06 22:42 <diva_> but I don't do that
2016-06-06 22:42 <Melanie_> no
2016-06-06 22:43 <Melanie_> the helpers in the network layer do
2016-06-06 22:43 <Melanie_> you need to go to Utils and LLUDP and those parts
2016-06-06 22:43 <Melanie_> and further parts unknown
2016-06-06 22:43 <Melanie_> basically grep the code for reverse lookups
2016-06-06 22:43 <Melanie_> and kill them
2016-06-06 22:43 <diva_> can you point me to one place?
2016-06-06 22:43 <Melanie_> make it so every ipendpoint that is later used in a reverse loolup
2016-06-06 22:43 <Melanie_> gets a companion string that has the name
2016-06-06 22:43 <Melanie_> so the string can be used instead of a reverse lookup
2016-06-06 22:44 <Melanie_> no, sorry, not a single one
2016-06-06 22:44 <diva_> I still don't understand
2016-06-06 22:44 <Melanie_> and i'm on my laptop in the electornics lab
2016-06-06 22:44 <Melanie_> no opensim code here
2016-06-06 22:44 <Melanie_> then please ask questions
2016-06-06 22:45 <diva_> I don't understand, because the HG doesn't depend on reverse lookup of any IP. So how would this code be affected by it?
2016-06-06 22:45 <Melanie_> so how do you do your security check
2016-06-06 22:45 <Melanie_> host A says: I am hg.avination.com
2016-06-06 22:45 <Melanie_> you resolve it
2016-06-06 22:46 <Melanie_> check if the IP is in the returned lists of IPs for that host
2016-06-06 22:46 <Melanie_> correct so far?
2016-06-06 22:46 <diva_> no
2016-06-06 22:46 <diva_> I don't check returned lists of IPs
2016-06-06 22:47 <Melanie_> then how do you authenticate requesting hosts?
2016-06-06 22:47 <diva_> you mean how do I authenticate users?
2016-06-06 22:47 <diva_> I don't authenticate requesting hosts. I authenticate users
2016-06-06 22:48 <Melanie_> you don't check that a gris is the grid it puports to be?
2016-06-06 22:48 <Melanie_> +r
2016-06-06 22:48 <diva_> the only "trick" that I use is to look at the remote_addr header of a certain http request
2016-06-06 22:48 <diva_> and that's an IP not a hist
2016-06-06 22:48 <diva_> and I never convert it back to a name
2016-06-06 22:49 <Melanie_> all I can say is
2016-06-06 22:49 <Melanie_> reverse lookups are being done
2016-06-06 22:49 <diva_> I check whether a user that claims to be x@somegrid.com is really x@somegrid.com by asking somegrid.com  whether it has a session for x with a certain identifier
2016-06-06 22:49 <Melanie_> and they now result in true reverse names being used
2016-06-06 22:50 <diva_> ok, so that's what I would like to understand better. As far as I remeber I never do reverse lookups.
2016-06-06 22:51 <diva_> maybe the viewer does
2016-06-06 22:51 <diva_> but the viewer doesn't run on mono
2016-06-06 22:52 <diva_> who else is reporting this problem, besides smxy?
2016-06-06 22:52 <diva_> danbanner? ^^^
2016-06-06 22:53 <Melanie_> there are reveral repros
2016-06-06 22:53 <diva_> someone needs to tell me the details, and show me the logs
2016-06-06 22:54 <Melanie_> ask in the mantis
2016-06-06 22:54 <Melanie_> people follow it
2016-06-06 22:54 <Melanie_> i'm in the middle of moving house and not much good to anyone right now :)
2016-06-06 22:54 <Melanie_> spending most my day packing boxes
2016-06-06 22:54 <diva_> I asked this morning. Hopefully someone will notice
2016-06-06 22:54 <diva_> where are you moving to?
2016-06-06 22:55 <Melanie_> near milton keynes
2016-06-06 22:55 <Melanie_> a bit out from MK heading for cambridge
2016-06-06 22:56 <diva_> are you in the UK now?
2016-06-06 22:56 <Melanie_> no
2016-06-06 22:56 <Melanie_> why? are you? ;P
2016-06-06 22:57 <diva_> you said cambridge
2016-06-06 22:57 <Melanie_> draw a line from milton keynes to cambridge
2016-06-06 22:57 <Melanie_> go out about 12 miles
2016-06-06 22:57 <Melanie_> that's the general area
2016-06-06 22:58 <diva_> in the UK?
2016-06-06 22:58 <Melanie_> yes
2016-06-06 22:59 <diva_> just in time for Brexit :D
2016-06-06 22:59 <Melanie_> yup
2016-06-06 22:59 <Melanie_> hpoing it happens, too
2016-06-06 22:59 <Melanie_> bye bye EU
2016-06-06 23:01 <Melanie_> all EU citizens already in will be grandfathered in
2016-06-06 23:20 <diva_> are you moving to the UK *because* of Brexit? :)
2016-06-06 23:20 <Melanie_> no but the timing does coincide nicely
2016-06-06 23:21 <Melanie_> goingback to the uk was always on the cards
2016-06-06 23:21 <Melanie_> i have two sons all grown up
2016-06-06 23:21 <Melanie_> and two more who are at an age where they have a say in their live
2016-06-06 23:21 <Melanie_> s
2016-06-06 23:21 <Melanie_> i don't need to be close to protect and guide anymore
2016-06-06 23:22 <Melanie_> for me that was the point where i had said i would go back
2016-06-06 23:22 <Melanie_> when my kids don't need me near anymore
2016-06-06 23:22 <Melanie_> but would rather enjoy visiting :)
2016-06-06 23:29 <Plugh> What is Brexit?
2016-06-06 23:41 <diva_> Grand Britain's exit from the European Union
2016-06-06 23:41 <diva_> s/Grand/Great
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2016-06-06 23:57 <Plugh> I seem to remember some talk about that. I miss being able to listen to the BBC World Service.
2016-06-07 00:44 <H-H-H> Plugh cant you listen online ?
2016-06-07 00:45 <Plugh> If I'm at my computer I'm busy doing things. I don't need more reasons to stay at the computer. I spend enough time in front of it as it is.
2016-06-07 00:45 <H-H-H> on your phone using 4g ?
2016-06-07 00:45 <H-H-H> plug ya headphones in and away ya go
2016-06-07 01:28 <Plugh> I don't have a cell phone.
2016-06-07 08:01 <osmantis> Bug #7919:04 Opensim Null Reference Exception causing server crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7919 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-07 08:46 <osmantis> Bug #7862:04 Avatar unable to cross var borders in 0.9.0.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7862 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-07 09:06 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-07 16:11 <osmantis> Bug #7917:04 PrimLimitsModule does not work correctly after selling land 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7917 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-07 16:22 <osmantis> Bug #7918:04 Opensim lacks a global time sun cycle similar to mainland SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7918 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-07 18:03 <diva_> hey smxy ping
2016-06-07 18:07 <osmantis> Bug #7862:04 Avatar unable to cross var borders in 0.9.0.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7862 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-07 18:08 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-07 19:01 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007862.
2016-06-07 19:01 <osmantis> Bug #7862:04 Avatar unable to cross var borders in 0.9.0.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7862 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007802.
2016-06-07 19:02 <diva_> smxy ping
2016-06-07 19:17 <smxy> diva: pong
2016-06-07 19:17 <diva_> oh hi. smxy do you mind adding more info that mantis you submitted?
2016-06-07 19:17 <diva_> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7908
2016-06-07 19:17 <smxy> What do you need to know?
2016-06-07 19:18 <diva_> I wrote there what I need. The most useful bit is the point in the middle
2016-06-07 19:18 <smxy> Let me look.
2016-06-07 19:18 <diva_> do you think you can draw it for me, take a picture of of drawing an upload it?
2016-06-07 19:20 <smxy> I can't have 100% control over it unless it's two grids behind my own firewall. That wouldn't be a typical real-world situation ...
2016-06-07 19:21 <smxy> Then we'd ne injecting loopback into it.
2016-06-07 19:21 <smxy> be*
2016-06-07 19:22 <smxy> How can I simulate someone else's DNS entry being wrong?
2016-06-07 19:22 <diva_> As I said, the second bullet is more important
2016-06-07 19:22 <diva_> I need to know the network setup
2016-06-07 19:22 <diva_> what's in the same network of what
2016-06-07 19:23 <smxy> I can draw a picture of my own network, of course. But I can't of someone elses.
2016-06-07 19:24 <diva_> then that's a major block for me to understand the problem
2016-06-07 19:24 <diva_> can you ask them?
2016-06-07 19:25 <diva_> I just need to know of the 5 componenents (2 robusts, 2 sims, the viewer) which ones are on the same network of others
2016-06-07 19:27 <smxy> I can try, but I can't vouch for the correctness of the info they give me.
2016-06-07 19:34 <osmantis> Bug #7862:04 Avatar unable to cross var borders in 0.9.0.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7862 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-07 19:58 <osmantis> Bug #7918:04 Opensim lacks a global time sun cycle similar to mainland SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7918 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-07 22:13 <osmantis> Bug #7862:04 Avatar unable to cross var borders in 0.9.0.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7862 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-06-08 03:26 <osmantis> Bug #7862:04 Avatar unable to cross var borders in 0.9.0.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7862 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-08 11:13 <osmantis> Bug #7917:04 PrimLimitsModule does not work correctly after selling land 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7917 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-08 14:18 <osmantis> Bug #7919:04 Opensim Null Reference Exception causing server crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7919 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-08 14:41 <osmantis> Bug #7919:04 Opensim Null Reference Exception causing server crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7919 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-08 14:58 <JoeRadik_> smxy, I'm not sure if I can be of any help, but willing to try if possible. I have a home hosted grid over DSL and a domain I can fiddle with. 
2016-06-08 15:00 <osmantis> Bug #7862:04 Avatar unable to cross var borders in 0.9.0.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7862 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-08 21:05 <osmantis> Bug #7908:04 OpenSim broken with respect to Melanie's recommended Mono, re: reverse DNS lookups that don't match the forward lookup. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7908 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-08 21:26 <Rulof> hello someone here ?
2016-06-08 21:27 <Rulof> I am from Thales netherlands , we are using OpenSIm in a number of experimentations
2016-06-08 21:27 <Rulof> I like to disuss with the development teal the possibility to make changes to OpenSim we will pay for
2016-06-08 21:28 <Rulof> Is that possible ?
2016-06-08 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #7908:04 OpenSim broken with respect to Melanie's recommended Mono, re: reverse DNS lookups that don't match the forward lookup. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7908 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-06-08 21:53 <Rulof> still no one here ?
2016-06-08 21:54 <Melanie_> Rulof: hi
2016-06-08 21:54 <Melanie_> what is it you're looking for?
2016-06-08 21:54 <Rulof> hello melanie , I am frank Rulof from the netherlands and working for Thales
2016-06-08 21:55 <Rulof> we are using OpenSim in a number of experiments
2016-06-08 21:55 <Rulof> we wanted to know if the development team was willen to make Changes to OpenSim we want to pay for
2016-06-08 21:55 <Rulof> willing
2016-06-08 21:57 <Melanie_> please check your private messages
2016-06-08 21:57 <Melanie_> i have messaged yo thee
2016-06-08 21:57 <Melanie_> there
2016-06-08 21:58 <Rulof> how do i do that ?
2016-06-08 21:58 <Rulof> not using this often
2016-06-08 21:58 <Melanie_> i don't know because i don't know what computer or software you are using
2016-06-08 21:59 <Rulof> using webchat.freenode.net
2016-06-08 21:59 <Rulof> running on web client on windows 7
2016-06-08 22:00 <Melanie_> you should see a tab or list of names with mine in it
2016-06-08 22:00 <Melanie_> it may be colored differently or blinking because i already sent you a message
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2016-06-08 22:32 <osmantis> Bug #7908:04 OpenSim broken with respect to Melanie's recommended Mono, re: reverse DNS lookups that don't match the forward lookup. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7908 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-06-08 23:00 <osmantis> Bug #7908:04 OpenSim broken with respect to Melanie's recommended Mono, re: reverse DNS lookups that don't match the forward lookup. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7908 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-08 23:03 <smxy> JoeRadik_: You might be able to help, and thank you for the offer. Let me think about what we need to do to repro this for her.
2016-06-09 00:00 <NickS> Is the code merge to 0.9 done now? Should grids update? How? Is hypergrid working in .9?
2016-06-09 00:09 <NickS> Is there a forum or facebook page where this question can be answered?  Is the code merge to 0.9 done now? Should grids update? How? Is hypergrid working in .9?
2016-06-09 00:23 <Plugh> I don't know if there is a forum or facebook page that answers the question. The merge of code from avination with the main Open Sim code based was finished a while ago. There might still be some issues arising from the merge. If grids update to this version it will help get it tested but they need to be prepared to deal with any issues it may still have. I have heard of issues with HG TPs but I don't know how wi
2016-06-09 00:24 <Plugh> I'm heading out to the stores before they close. bbl.
2016-06-09 01:43 <smxy> My understanding is that the merge is done. HG TPs work. I think it's in bug-fixing mode at this time.
2016-06-09 01:43 <smxy> A number of us run it and aren't having huge problems.
2016-06-09 02:26 <NickS> What changes do we need to do to our scripts to go from ODE to Ubode?  Is there a document somewhere?
2016-06-09 02:34 <NickS> I’ve been looking all over the wiki for a list of changes. Can someone point me to it please?
2016-06-09 02:49 <smxy> There isn't one. Want one? Run it, figure out what's different and write the Wiki page.
2016-06-09 02:49 <smxy> Or read the git commit message to see what's mentioned there.
2016-06-09 03:05 <smxy> I don't mean to be snarky, but that's basically the attitude here about documentation.
2016-06-09 03:06 <diva_> NIckS as far as I can tell things are working reasonably well
2016-06-09 03:06 <diva_> we're starting to plan a release, but it's going to require some organizing first
2016-06-09 03:08 <diva_> At least a couple of people have mentioned they would produce the list of changes, but I haven't seen it yet
2016-06-09 03:09 <diva_> I've been trying to diagnose a few region crossing problems, but I have been unable to reproduce the problems
2016-06-09 03:10 <diva_> it would be great to get some help from the community in identifying the major problems and help describe them well
2016-06-09 03:11 <diva_> This: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7908  <-- still waiting for more info
2016-06-09 03:12 <diva_> This: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7862 <-- unable to repro, waiting for more info
2016-06-09 03:12 <diva_> I suspect this last one is related to this: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802
2016-06-09 03:13 <NickS> Thank you all for your answers. I don’t mean to be a problem. We have many general scripts like sitting and standing and many specific scripts, like operating equipment  and affecting how a molecule changes when in contact with a specific chemical. So scripts involving avatar movements and object collisions are critical. 
2016-06-09 03:13 <NickS> Should I make a list of every function in every script and then search the git to see the changes? It seems that would take a long time.
2016-06-09 03:14 <diva_> your best bet is to boot up a sim in 0.9 dev and load it with that old content and see what breaks, if anything
2016-06-09 03:15 <diva_> I loaded the Universal Campus on 0.9 dev and it seems fine all over
2016-06-09 03:25 <NickS> Is there any problem with hypergrid between .8 and .9 grids?
2016-06-09 03:29 <diva_> not that I know of, but if you find them please report them
2016-06-09 03:31 <NickS> ok
2016-06-09 03:32 <NickS> Where are the testing forums for reporting and discussion?
2016-06-09 03:33 <diva_> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/my_view_page.php
2016-06-09 03:39 <NickS> Just the Mantis? Any place for general discussion, faq, tips?
2016-06-09 03:40 <Plugh> opensimulator.org, this IRC channel, and the mailing list.
2016-06-09 03:40 <diva_> I don't know what ppl are using these days. There is an #osgrid channel
2016-06-09 03:41 <diva_> and there is an #opensim channel
2016-06-09 03:41 <diva_> this channel here is for development and testing
2016-06-09 03:45 <NickS> I see. It must be hard to keep it all in your head;) Nothing for me to search for this. I had to waste your time. Sorry about that. 
2016-06-09 03:45 <NickS> Last quesiton: is it critical to upgrade to .9?  Security? hypergrid compatibility? I’m not sure I can get it done by the fall.
2016-06-09 03:48 <diva_> not critical at all. We don't even have the release yet
2016-06-09 03:49 <diva_> My production grid is in 0.8.2.1 Unless you need vehicle crossings, 0.8.2 is perfectly fine for now
2016-06-09 03:50 <diva_> but it's always a good idea to look ahead and try out some of your content on upcoming releases
2016-06-09 03:51 <diva_> it's even better if you have time to help test, instead of just using opensim
2016-06-09 03:54 <NickS> Will try to test and report. thank you for all your time. time for bed. good night
2016-06-09 03:54 <diva_> nn
2016-06-09 04:12 <NickS> Biscottiyum
2016-06-09 07:49 <osmantis> Bug #7405:04 Unable to HGTP home to a self-hosted region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7405 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-06-09 15:32 <osmantis> Bug #7880:04 vehicles rezzed by llRezObject die when crossing regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7880 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-09 17:08 <osmantis> Bug #7862:04 Avatar unable to cross var borders in 0.9.0.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7862 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-09 18:25 <osmantis> Bug #7862:04 Avatar unable to cross var borders in 0.9.0.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7862 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-09 19:25 <osmantis> Bug #7919:04 Opensim Null Reference Exception causing server crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7919 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-09 19:52 <osmantis> Bug #7919:04 Opensim Null Reference Exception causing server crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7919 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-09 21:16 <osmantis> Bug #7919:04 Opensim Null Reference Exception causing server crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7919 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-09 21:21 <osmantis> Bug #7862:04 Avatar unable to cross var borders in 0.9.0.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7862 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-06-09 23:17 <diva_> danbanner ping
2016-06-09 23:17 <danbanner> diva pong
2016-06-09 23:17 <diva_> hi. I"m trying to understand some of the mantis related to crossings/tps.
2016-06-09 23:18 <diva_> these seem to be happening in osgrid, for example: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7862
2016-06-09 23:18 <danbanner> ok
2016-06-09 23:18 <diva_> I wonder if you could look into the DB and check the info for this region: Test Bed03 
2016-06-09 23:18 <diva_> also Test Bed04
2016-06-09 23:19 <danbanner> what particular info would you like?
2016-06-09 23:19 <diva_> specifically check the reported size
2016-06-09 23:21 <danbanner> size is in the regions table?
2016-06-09 23:22 <diva_> yes. sizeX and sizeY
2016-06-09 23:22 <danbanner>                locX: 2898432
2016-06-09 23:22 <danbanner>                locY: 3152896
2016-06-09 23:22 <diva_> no, size
2016-06-09 23:22 <danbanner>              sizeX: 512
2016-06-09 23:22 <danbanner>               sizeY: 512
2016-06-09 23:22 <diva_> ok
2016-06-09 23:22 <diva_> is that test Bed03?
2016-06-09 23:22 <danbanner> 04
2016-06-09 23:22 <diva_> how about 03?
2016-06-09 23:22 <danbanner> same
2016-06-09 23:23 <diva_> ok, thanks
2016-06-09 23:23 <danbanner> yw
2016-06-09 23:23 <diva_> I cannot reproduce that bug on my test grid
2016-06-09 23:23 <diva_> so I"m not sure I can fix it
2016-06-09 23:24 <diva_> somehow some regions aren't "seeing" their neighbors
2016-06-09 23:24 <danbanner> hmm
2016-06-09 23:24 <diva_> if you could help diagnose it, it would be helful
2016-06-09 23:25 <danbanner> the only regions i have as neighbours are normal 256x256
2016-06-09 23:25 <diva_> I thought it might be because the reported size was wrong, but it's not that
2016-06-09 23:26 <diva_> I'm not sure what the problem may be. I cannot reproduce it myself. 
2016-06-09 23:28 <danbanner> give me a bit i'll setup two vars
2016-06-09 23:28 <diva_> ok, thanks
2016-06-09 23:43 <danbanner> ping diva
2016-06-09 23:43 <danbanner> http://pastebin.com/2KbzRt6g
2016-06-09 23:43 <diva_> can you cross between the regions multiple times?
2016-06-09 23:44 <diva_> and I mean crossing, not tp
2016-06-09 23:44 <danbanner> i cant even see both
2016-06-09 23:44 <diva_> ok, interesting
2016-06-09 23:44 <diva_> what physics engine?
2016-06-09 23:45 <danbanner> good question i think one is ubode let me set the secnd the same
2016-06-09 23:45 <diva_> (it probably doesn't matter, but I'm at loss)
2016-06-09 23:48 <danbanner> ya i can cross fine but i cant see the terrain on the one i walk into
2016-06-09 23:48 <danbanner> http://danbanner.onikenkon.com/screen/Image1465516136.png
2016-06-09 23:49 <diva_> that's even more puzzling
2016-06-09 23:50 <danbanner> cant cross back if i walk
2016-06-09 23:50 <diva_> right, that's what they report
2016-06-09 23:50 <danbanner> 18:49:55 - [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: No ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE information for region handle 7721870163646976, exiting CrossToNewRegion.
2016-06-09 23:51 <diva_> yes
2016-06-09 23:51 <diva_> do those regions have other neighbors?
2016-06-09 23:51 <danbanner> nope
2016-06-09 23:52 <danbanner> both are new 512x512 vars in the ocean and they both 'see' each other
2016-06-09 23:53 <diva_> when you login, do you see the neighbor? 
2016-06-09 23:53 <diva_> I mean at login
2016-06-09 23:53 <danbanner> im stuck in transit
2016-06-09 23:53 <danbanner> let me relog
2016-06-09 23:54 <danbanner> wouldnt let me login back to where i was
2016-06-09 23:55 <danbanner> had to login to lbsa 
2016-06-09 23:55 <danbanner> now says failed to verify presence lol
2016-06-09 23:55 <diva_> reboot them, theyt're crazy
2016-06-09 23:56 <diva_> In the log you showed me here http://pastebin.com/2KbzRt6g
2016-06-09 23:56 <diva_> are these the coordinates of one of them? 18:41:52 - [GRID SERVICE]: GetRegionByPosition. Did not find region in database. Pos=<7023,6938>
2016-06-09 23:56 <diva_> 7023, 6938
2016-06-09 23:57 <danbanner> yes thats '512var1'
2016-06-09 23:57 <danbanner> and 512var2 log said that
2016-06-09 23:57 <diva_> ok, that's weird that the grid server doesn't find it
2016-06-09 23:58 <diva_> any errors on the grid service console when they go through reboot?
2016-06-09 23:58 <danbanner> i got back into 512var1 and cant see the second one
2016-06-09 23:58 <danbanner> let me restart them and look
2016-06-09 23:58 <diva_> let's focus on that error log. If that error log still happens, that is the kernel of all of these issues
2016-06-09 23:58 <diva_> the regions hould be found
2016-06-10 00:00 <danbanner> strange but var2 console started to scroll when i typed
2016-06-10 00:02 <danbanner> all i see is
2016-06-10 00:02 <danbanner> 18:49:55 - [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: No ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE information for region handle 7721870163646976, exiting CrossToNewRegion.
2016-06-10 00:02 <danbanner> oops
2016-06-10 00:02 <danbanner> this:
2016-06-10 00:02 <danbanner> 19:01:17 - [GRID SERVICE]: GetRegionByPosition. Did not find region in database. Pos=<7025,6938>
2016-06-10 00:02 <danbanner> 19:01:17 - [LOCAL GRID SERVICE CONNECTOR]: GetRegionByPosition. Region not found by grid service. Pos=<7025,6938>
2016-06-10 00:02 <danbanner> 19:01:17 - [REMOTE GRID CONNECTOR]: GetRegionByPosition. Added region 512var2 to the cache. Pos=<7025,6938>, RegionHandle=7724069186902528
2016-06-10 00:02 <danbanner> 19:01:17 - [SCENE COMMUNICATION SERVICE]: Region 512var1 successfully informed neighbour 512var2 at 7025-6938 that it is up
2016-06-10 00:02 <danbanner> says it cant find it then it does
2016-06-10 00:03 <diva_> interesting. I also see that on my logs
2016-06-10 00:04 <diva_> ok, let me trace this locally, see if I find the root cause of that message
2016-06-10 00:04 <danbanner> ok
2016-06-10 00:04 <diva_> thanks, I'll ping you if I need more help
2016-06-10 00:04 <danbanner> k
2016-06-10 00:10 <diva_> oh ok
2016-06-10 00:11 <diva_> danbanner, that message is confusing but it's fine.
2016-06-10 00:11 <danbanner> ?
2016-06-10 00:11 <danbanner> the getregionbypostion one?
2016-06-10 00:11 <diva_> every simulator as a local grid service in memory for the process-local regions. When they aren't local, they get fetched from the grid server
2016-06-10 00:12 <diva_> yeah, so it's not that
2016-06-10 00:12 <diva_> let's go back to focus on the avatar login
2016-06-10 00:12 <danbanner> ahh okay
2016-06-10 00:12 <diva_> when I logged in one of those regions in osgrid, I could not see the other. It was only on one, though, the NOrth one
2016-06-10 00:13 <diva_> I logged on the North region and could not see the south one
2016-06-10 00:13 <danbanner> right seeing the same (mine are east/west tho)
2016-06-10 00:14 <diva_> ok, so that's the part I cannot reproduce :-/ so let me think how to debug this...
2016-06-10 00:15 <diva_> does it say this when yuo login? [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: No ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE information for region handle 12458566257481472, exiting CrossToNewRegion.
2016-06-10 00:16 <diva_> in one of them, not sure
2016-06-10 00:16 <diva_> hmm probably not
2016-06-10 00:16 <danbanner> <danbanner> 18:49:55 - [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: No ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE information for region handle 7721870163646976, exiting CrossToNewRegion.
2016-06-10 00:16 <diva_> that seems to be only when we attempt to cross
2016-06-10 00:16 <diva_> on login?
2016-06-10 00:16 <danbanner> thats on crossing
2016-06-10 00:17 <danbanner> by login you mean first arrival from a teleport?
2016-06-10 00:17 <diva_> possibly
2016-06-10 00:17 <diva_> in my case, it happened on login
2016-06-10 00:17 <diva_> I could not see the other region
2016-06-10 00:18 <danbanner> happens on teleport too
2016-06-10 00:18 <diva_> ok good
2016-06-10 00:22 <diva_> dabanner in your configs you don't have COmbineRegions enabled, do you? the old megaregions
2016-06-10 00:22 <diva_> danbanner
2016-06-10 00:22 <danbanner> no
2016-06-10 00:22 <diva_> ok
2016-06-10 00:29 <diva_> danbanner, can you repeat the arrival at that sim and show me the part of the log on that sim that has these messages
2016-06-10 00:29 <diva_> 17:26:50 - [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: Informing Test User 84119b3a-247c-4644-96d5-cfacbc8f6e3e about neighbour Grid Test 1 2 127.0.0.1:9111 at (1103,1000)
2016-06-10 00:29 <danbanner> sec
2016-06-10 00:29 <diva_> show me the log since your arrival basiclaly
2016-06-10 00:29 <danbanner> on the region i landed in?
2016-06-10 00:30 <diva_> yes
2016-06-10 00:31 <danbanner> http://pastebin.com/W9eHRceB
2016-06-10 00:32 <diva_> ok, good, we're zeroing in. It didn't find the neughbor there
2016-06-10 00:34 <danbanner> ya the other region does not see me as a child agent at all
2016-06-10 00:35 <diva_> so you don't see any action on the other console?
2016-06-10 00:36 <diva_> at all?
2016-06-10 00:36 <danbanner> nothing
2016-06-10 00:36 <diva_> ok
2016-06-10 00:36 <danbanner> show users full shows no avatars
2016-06-10 00:38 <danbanner> i wonder if theres some kind of nat issue
2016-06-10 00:38 <danbanner> i can teleport to either region
2016-06-10 00:38 <danbanner> but they are on separate instances/ports
2016-06-10 00:38 <diva_> not nat, no. I think there's something weird in fetching the neigyhbors info.
2016-06-10 00:39 <danbanner> ok
2016-06-10 00:39 <diva_> I need to take abreak for dinner, but I'll be back later
2016-06-10 00:39 <diva_> if you're around we'll continue
2016-06-10 00:39 <danbanner> alright, enjoy
2016-06-10 00:39 <danbanner> i'll be around for a bit
2016-06-10 02:44 <diva_> danbanner when was the last time you updated the osgrid central services?
2016-06-10 02:45 <danbanner> its not current.. its running 0.8.2 from just before the merge
2016-06-10 02:45 <diva_> ah, that's very important info
2016-06-10 02:48 <danbanner> question
2016-06-10 02:48 <danbanner> will 0.8.2 simulators connect and run fine?
2016-06-10 02:48 <diva_> to 0.9 services?
2016-06-10 02:48 <danbanner> yes
2016-06-10 02:49 <diva_> I don't know... I'm going to try the other way around to see if I can repro this problem first.
2016-06-10 02:49 <danbanner> ok
2016-06-10 03:03 <danbanner> if this ends up requiring updating grid services its going to be a little involved time wise as there are still alot of users running 0.8
2016-06-10 03:04 <danbanner> i'll try running 0.8 on 0.9 services and see 
2016-06-10 03:04 <diva_> hopefully it will work, but we should test it first
2016-06-10 03:04 <diva_> yeah
2016-06-10 03:05 <diva_> do that. I'm doing the other way around to see if that's the root of this bug
2016-06-10 03:05 <danbanner> i'll know more tomorrow i need to go afk and get some rest
2016-06-10 03:05 <diva_> 0.9 services with 0.8.2 sims should definitely be made to work if it doesn't work currently
2016-06-10 03:06 <danbanner> i agree
2016-06-10 03:09 <diva_> bingo
2016-06-10 03:09 <diva_> clean repro
2016-06-10 03:10 <diva_> I could try to make this work, but I don't think we should bother with this combination
2016-06-10 03:10 <diva_> the other combination, however, is important
2016-06-10 03:14 <osmantis> Bug #7862:04 Avatar unable to cross var borders in 0.9.0.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7862 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-10 03:37 <diva_> danbanner good news: 0.9 services + 0.8.2 sims seem to be ok. At least they connect and region crossings are fine
2016-06-10 03:37 <diva_> you may want to test a bit more than I did
2016-06-10 09:26 <osmantis> Bug #7918:04 Opensim lacks a global time sun cycle similar to mainland SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7918 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-10 09:29 <osmantis> Bug #7918:04 Opensim lacks a global time sun cycle similar to mainland SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7918 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-06-10 10:02 <osmantis> Bug #7862:04 Avatar unable to cross var borders in 0.9.0.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7862 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-10 10:38 <hazypixels> ~
2016-06-10 15:26 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-10 21:44 <misterblue> diva_: I notice that some of the commits in '0.8.2-post-fixes' are not in 'master'. Is that an over sight or do you have plans?
2016-06-10 21:47 <diva_> which ones, misterblue?
2016-06-10 21:48 <misterblue> 48b6d7ad2742803d6e1bbf093673f4e147267b52 "Correct case in the names of the Avatar and Friends tables" for instance
2016-06-10 21:49 <misterblue> oh my bad
2016-06-10 21:49 <misterblue> that patch is there but with another commit number
2016-06-10 21:49 <diva_> ok, yeah, I thought everything was in sync
2016-06-10 21:49 <misterblue> I take it back... let me keep looking
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2016-06-10 22:40 <diva_> misterblue I should have cycles next week to fix bugs in opensim and start the release process, but I think I/we need help from testers to help identify the major bugs pending
2016-06-10 22:41 <diva_> I zommed in on a few mantises related to crossgins/TPs, and found out the root cause is osgrid central services still being in 0.8.2, and that not working well with 0.9 sims
2016-06-10 22:42 <diva_> I'm still waiting for more info on a reported HG TP problem related to mono, which is completely fuzzy at this point. I'm not sure it's a bug. http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7908
2016-06-10 22:43 <diva_> I don't know what other problems are real bugs at this point. If someone could go through mantis and check, that would be great
2016-06-10 22:48 <diva_> danbanner ping
2016-06-10 22:48 <danbanner> diva pong
2016-06-10 22:49 <diva_> hi, yesterday I had a few minutes to test the combination 0.9 services + 0.8.2 sims, and things worked fine -- in that limited amount ot testing I did
2016-06-10 22:49 <diva_> you may want to test a bit more carefully, if you have time.
2016-06-10 22:49 <danbanner> yes we have been doing more testing too
2016-06-10 22:50 <danbanner> we'll be updating service this weekend
2016-06-10 22:50 <diva_> also, I wonder if you could perhaps organize a bug hunt -- find out what are the pending bugs before we can make a new release
2016-06-10 22:50 <danbanner> services*
2016-06-10 22:51 <diva_> I find mantis very confusing, a lot of what's there may not be bugs, or is poorly reported, and can't be acted upon, at least by me
2016-06-10 22:51 <danbanner> sure i'll do what i can to get the word out
2016-06-10 22:51 <diva_> thanks. I have cycles this weekend and next week, and would like ot get the release process rolling
2016-06-10 22:52 <danbanner> theres a few more bugs im still trying to find proper repo for to add
2016-06-10 22:52 <danbanner> so i'll be opening a couple more this weekend too
2016-06-10 22:53 <diva_> ok. It will be infinitely simpler for me to work through a curated list of bugs reported by a few people who know how to report bugs properly, than to work on mantis
2016-06-10 22:56 <misterblue> I thought I'd approach the changes from the other side and examine the source changes from 0.8.2 to 0.9.0... only 562 source files changed :) 
2016-06-10 22:57 <misterblue> it might not be a feasible way to approach the differences
2016-06-10 22:57 <diva_> :)
2016-06-10 22:58 <danbanner> i know when im on a 0.9 simulator and i accept a group invite it doesnt show in my list of groups until after a relog.. so thats one i'll be opening
2016-06-10 22:59 <danbanner> ^spoiler :)
2016-06-10 22:59 <diva_> ok :)
2016-06-10 22:59 <danbanner> using osgroups
2016-06-10 22:59 <danbanner> havent tried v2
2016-06-10 22:59 <diva_> what's osgroups? the "old" groups?
2016-06-10 22:59 <danbanner> yup
2016-06-10 22:59 <diva_> eek. ok
2016-06-10 23:00 <danbanner> some other random update issues too
2016-06-10 23:01 <danbanner> theres a mantis about llDie that might be related to scene update check #7858
2016-06-10 23:01 <misterblue> I was just looking at GroupsModule.cs... there are some improvements but it looks like some regressions
2016-06-10 23:03 <misterblue> When messages are sent at entry and exit did change... 
2016-06-10 23:03 <danbanner> ive found issue with primlimits module as well
2016-06-10 23:03 <danbanner> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7917
2016-06-10 23:03 <misterblue> someone complained about the sun time not being set right... I  think that is also us not sending the sun info at the right time
2016-06-10 23:04 <danbanner> ya more scene update stuff
2016-06-10 23:05 <misterblue> Maybe need to start a Wiki page with the known problem list... the 'pending bugs before release' page like Diva_ suggested
2016-06-10 23:05 <danbanner> also there has been a change in the new sit positions
2016-06-10 23:05 <danbanner> a patch was applied for http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 and all the sits i re-corrected are now different
2016-06-10 23:06 <diva_> misterblue danbanner: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/0.9_Bug_List
2016-06-10 23:06 <danbanner> i'll try and make a list for you diva
2016-06-10 23:06 <danbanner> perfect
2016-06-10 23:06 <diva_> :)
2016-06-10 23:07 <misterblue> sits are a problem... there's now SL-compatible, legacy-OpenSim-compatible, redone-OpenSim-compatible, and, it sounds like, avi-compatible... no one is happy
2016-06-10 23:07 <misterblue> bbl
2016-06-10 23:08 <danbanner> ya ive near lost track of sits
2016-06-10 23:21 <Melanie_> even i lost track
2016-06-10 23:22 <Melanie_> it's on my list to check on and find a solution everyone likes
2016-06-10 23:22 <Melanie_> but as i'm sitting between moving boxes, it will be a bit before i get to it
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2016-06-11 02:10 <osmantis> Bug #7920:04 Joined group does not display in viewer until after a relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7920 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-06-11 06:15 <osmantis> Bug #7920:04 Joined group does not display in viewer until after a relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7920 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-11 16:04 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-11 16:40 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-11 16:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #4646 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-06-11 16:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4646: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4646/
2016-06-11 16:51 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7858. This is s shot in the dark, because I cannot reproduce the problem. Removed what seemed to be redundant kill object calls that weren't there in 0.8.2 -- kill object is already being called in DeleteGroupFromScene.
2016-06-11 17:04 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-11 17:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #4647 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-06-11 17:24 <osmantis> Bug #7874:04 Parcel properties don't take effect when entering parcel 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7874 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-11 17:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4647: SUCCESS in 5 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4647/
2016-06-11 17:28 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7874: parcel properties not being updated upon avatar entering new parcel. Root cause: update of the avatar's current property was being made too soon.
2016-06-11 17:47 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-11 18:21 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-11 18:55 <velus> join #ubuntu-uk
2016-06-11 19:20 <osmantis> Bug #7874:04 Parcel properties don't take effect when entering parcel 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7874 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-11 19:47 <velus> hey plugh
2016-06-11 19:47 <osmantis> Bug #7920:04 Joined group does not display in viewer until after a relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7920 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-11 19:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #4648 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-06-11 19:47 <osmantis> Bug #7915:04 Objects are not set to the group, when they are rezzed or created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7915 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-11 19:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4648: SUCCESS in 5 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4648/
2016-06-11 19:52 <osjenkins> misterblue: Restore SendAgentGroupDataUpdate() call in GroupsModule.cs.
2016-06-11 20:32 <velus> hey Plugh when is 0.9 going to be realeased?
2016-06-11 20:33 <Plugh> When its ready? ;)
2016-06-11 20:33 <Plugh> No date has been set for a release.
2016-06-11 20:33 <velus> ok can i make a suggestion for it please? 
2016-06-11 20:33 <Plugh> sure
2016-06-11 20:35 <velus> with the tables (specially the mysql), fix them where the tables have been changed, im creating a webui and with it i have to create tables (due to the system i am using), where tabl;es have gome from lower to higher i.e useraccounts -> UserAccounts and so forth, the main problem in the system is there is still old foriegn key links to them tables which confuses my webui system
2016-06-11 20:38 <velus> i know its a minor one but its a pitta for me lol and if i make this public it would be for them too
2016-06-11 20:39 <osmantis> Bug #7874:04 Parcel properties don't take effect when entering parcel 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7874 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-06-11 20:41 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-11 20:42 <Melanie_> velus: the tables were _always_ upper case
2016-06-11 20:42 <velus> no they wasn't 
2016-06-11 20:42 <Melanie_> it's only lately that a cleanup caused them to become lowercase and that has since been rectified
2016-06-11 20:42 <Melanie_> they were upper case since they were introduced over 5 years back
2016-06-11 20:43 <Melanie_> the few weeks were they were lower case, between diva's cleanup commit and my fixing it back, can be ignored
2016-06-11 20:43 <velus> and there are still foreign keys in the code 
2016-06-11 20:43 <velus> that go to lower case
2016-06-11 20:43 <Melanie_> anyone who makes their production tables with a non-release version of opensim deserves what they get
2016-06-11 20:43 <Melanie_> and our code doesn't use foreign keys
2016-06-11 20:44 <velus> and a lot of them are lower case
2016-06-11 20:44 <Melanie_> our code doesn't use foreign keys
2016-06-11 20:44 <diva_> Melanie_ how else do you want to fix the race condition in kill object vs update?
2016-06-11 20:44 <Melanie_> whereever you go them from ,it's not opensim code
2016-06-11 20:44 <velus> it seems to as the webui i am creating is hissing it cant find tables due to foreign keys
2016-06-11 20:44 <Melanie_> then your database is corrupt
2016-06-11 20:45 <Melanie_> fix it
2016-06-11 20:45 <velus> it was a new install 
2016-06-11 20:45 <Melanie_> diva_: maybe kill objetc needs to scan the pending updates queue to remove updates scheduled for that prim
2016-06-11 20:45 <Melanie_> velus: again: our code does NOT use foreign keys
2016-06-11 20:45 <Melanie_> if you have foreign keys, they were created by YOUR code
2016-06-11 20:46 <Melanie_> so if you ran code that created foreign keys on a bad (e. g. lower case) database it is YOUR mistake
2016-06-11 20:46 <Melanie_> we con't fix it. we put the table name casing right, e.g. upper
2016-06-11 20:46 <Melanie_> you need to delete your foreign keys and recreate them to the proper tables
2016-06-11 20:46 <osmantis> Bug #7915:04 Objects are not set to the group, when they are rezzed or created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7915 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-11 20:47 <osmantis> Bug #7920:04 Joined group does not display in viewer until after a relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7920 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-11 20:48 <velus> ITS WAS YOUR CODE, AND IT WAS A NEW INSTALL, AND A LOT OF YOUR CODE IN YOUR COSDE REPOSITORY HAS LOWER CASE TABLES I.E regions, estates AND MANY MORE
2016-06-11 20:48 <Melanie_> diva_: i can't say offhand how to best prevent the update-after-kill but the lock is a BadThing
2016-06-11 20:49 <Melanie_> velus: some tables are lower, some are upper. for historic reasons. fact remains, opensim code NEVER uses foreign keys
2016-06-11 20:49 <Melanie_> if you have foreign keys they are NOT created by opensim
2016-06-11 20:49 <velus> you satated before that the code _ALWAYS_ useses upper case (which i have proven wrong) 
2016-06-11 20:50 <Melanie_> and we will NOT make the tables they way you like them to be, we will keep them the way they histroically were
2016-06-11 20:50 <velus> WELL HOW WOULD THE FOREIGN KEYS OF BEEN CREATED?
2016-06-11 20:50 <Melanie_> i didn't say that. I said that _these_ tables were upper case since they were introduced
2016-06-11 20:50 <velus> as i havent altered the tables and they have them in
2016-06-11 20:50 <velus> <Melanie_> velus: the tables were _always_ upper case
2016-06-11 20:50 <Melanie_> look into opensim and stop yelling or i will kick you
2016-06-11 20:51 <velus> <Melanie_> it's only lately that a cleanup caused them to become lowercase and that has since been rectified
2016-06-11 20:51 <velus> <Melanie_> they were upper case since they were introduced over 5 years back
2016-06-11 20:51 <Melanie_> yes. "the tables" meaning the ones in question
2016-06-11 20:51 <Melanie_> i never said all tables
2016-06-11 20:51 <Melanie_> there was a switch at one pint. before, all new tables were lower, after that, upper
2016-06-11 20:51 <diva_> in windows, the tables end up lowercase, because in windows mysql doesn't seem to mind the case
2016-06-11 20:52 <diva_> in linux, case matter, and they are upper case
2016-06-11 20:52 <Melanie_> diva_: point is that he is belligerent and accusatory, claiming we have created foreign keys in our code that poin tto wrongly cased tables. we don't use foreign keys
2016-06-11 20:52 <Melanie_> i don't know if wifi does
2016-06-11 20:53 <Melanie_> but core opensim doesn't even know the concept
2016-06-11 20:53 <diva_> yeah as far as I remember there are no foreign keys. Wifi doesn't add them either
2016-06-11 20:54 <Plugh> velus: When did you do the fresh install of OpenSim?
2016-06-11 20:54 <diva_> Melanie_ that code is already there and it doesn't seem to do it:
2016-06-11 20:54 <diva_>             lock (m_entityProps.SyncRoot)
2016-06-11 20:54 <diva_>                 m_entityProps.Remove(localIDs);
2016-06-11 20:54 <diva_>             lock (m_entityUpdates.SyncRoot)
2016-06-11 20:54 <diva_>                 m_entityUpdates.Remove(localIDs);
2016-06-11 20:54 <velus> it was a little bit ago but it was on the 0.9.0 dev version it was this year i know
2016-06-11 20:54 <Melanie_> there used to be a kill list in the client, way back
2016-06-11 20:55 <Melanie_> we brought it back in avination but maybe it was taken out again in the merge
2016-06-11 20:55 <Melanie_> it needs to be remade
2016-06-11 20:55 <Melanie_> a simple set or hashset to simply store the uuids of objects kill has been sent for
2016-06-11 20:55 <diva_> the killRecord?
2016-06-11 20:55 <Melanie_> so that any submissions to update object will fail
2016-06-11 20:55 <diva_> that's what Justin had
2016-06-11 20:56 <diva_> but he added the lock on that HashSet
2016-06-11 20:56 <Melanie_> maybe the deleted flag would also be useful to check in the schedule update function to not queue updates to deleted objects
2016-06-11 20:56 <velus> im sure KEY `EstateID` (`EstateID`) this is a foreign key
2016-06-11 20:56 <Melanie_> velus: no,  that is a regular table key
2016-06-11 20:56 <Melanie_> opensim doesn't use foreign keys
2016-06-11 20:57 <diva_> so you want me to add the HashSet but not lock it?
2016-06-11 20:57 <Melanie_> please go and learn SQL before trying to push blame on us in such a manner
2016-06-11 20:57 <Melanie_> diva_: it would be OK to lock ONLY the access to the hash set
2016-06-11 20:57 <Melanie_> the lock i was thinking about was a larger scope
2016-06-11 20:58 <diva_> yeah, it has a large scope in the previous code
2016-06-11 20:58 <Melanie_> locking the hashset itself is needed because it's not inherently threadsafe
2016-06-11 20:58 <Plugh> velus: I just searched the code. There is no reference to "useraccounts" in the source files.
2016-06-11 20:58 <diva_> Plugh, Windows lowers the case of the rables
2016-06-11 20:58 <diva_> tables
2016-06-11 20:58 <diva_> he's probably on windows
2016-06-11 20:59 <Melanie_> velus is trying to make us do his work, fix his bugs and find his problems, but all without sharing his code
2016-06-11 20:59 <Melanie_> so we fixed a problem that got into the code anf our fix broke his code
2016-06-11 20:59 <Melanie_> he's been like that ever since when it comes to table case
2016-06-11 20:59 <Melanie_> my patience is running thin
2016-06-11 20:59 <diva_> let's focus on kill object...
2016-06-11 21:00 <diva_> here's the list of bugs that need to be squooshed: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/0.9_Bug_List
2016-06-11 21:00 <Melanie_> the issue is that something in scene schedules object updates even after an object has been deleted
2016-06-11 21:00 <diva_> misterblue and I are going down that list
2016-06-11 21:00 <Plugh> diva_: I misunderstood what velus said. I thought velus was saying there were references to tables using the lowercase names in the source files.
2016-06-11 21:00 <Melanie_> Plugh: no he claims his database server tells him that there are foreign keys referencing the lowercase version of tables that we re-uppercased
2016-06-11 21:00 <Plugh> Melanie_: Is there a flag in the object structure to indicate it is to be deleted?
2016-06-11 21:01 <Melanie_> Plugh: it's called 'Deleted'
2016-06-11 21:01 <diva_> oh yeah
2016-06-11 21:01 <diva_> why don't we check that?
2016-06-11 21:01 <Melanie_> issue
2016-06-11 21:01 <diva_> we probably don't need the killRecord HashSet
2016-06-11 21:01 <Melanie_> some code deletes an object on a script engine thread
2016-06-11 21:01 <Plugh> Unless you have a race condition I would think that would be a smart thing to do.
2016-06-11 21:01 <Melanie_> we can NOT stop that thread because general havoc will ensue
2016-06-11 21:02 <Melanie_> so locking access to 'Deleted' will hold script engine threads
2016-06-11 21:02 <Melanie_> but there are only 2
2016-06-11 21:02 <Plugh> The code trying to do updates should skip anything marked Deleted.
2016-06-11 21:02 <Melanie_> so all things grind to a standstill
2016-06-11 21:03 <diva_> bummer
2016-06-11 21:03 <diva_> it's already being checked:
2016-06-11 21:03 <diva_>                     if (part.ParentGroup.IsDeleted || part.ParentGroup.inTransit)
2016-06-11 21:03 <diva_>                         continue;
2016-06-11 21:03 <diva_> so that's not it either
2016-06-11 21:03 <Melanie_> yes. theoretically that should work
2016-06-11 21:03 <Melanie_> how about this:
2016-06-11 21:03 <Melanie_> in KillObject, lock the portion that sends queued updates
2016-06-11 21:04 <Melanie_> then set deleted
2016-06-11 21:04 <Melanie_> and send the kill
2016-06-11 21:04 <Melanie_> then unlock the queued object sender
2016-06-11 21:04 <Melanie_> if there is an update even if pushed on later
2016-06-11 21:04 <Melanie_> the deleted should be seen then
2016-06-11 21:04 <diva_> which lock should I use?
2016-06-11 21:04 <Melanie_> but that still won't work :(
2016-06-11 21:04 <Melanie_> see
2016-06-11 21:04 <diva_> m_entityUpdates.SyncRoot ?
2016-06-11 21:05 <Melanie_> we need to do tis differently
2016-06-11 21:05 <Melanie_> here is what we have
2016-06-11 21:05 <Melanie_> because of schwuppdicity, we send the kill directly, bypassing the queue
2016-06-11 21:05 <Melanie_> so an update can come in if the packet contaning it has already passed out fo the client and into lludpsender land
2016-06-11 21:06 <Melanie_> maybe we need to send kill twice
2016-06-11 21:06 <Melanie_> once immediately, so the user gets snappy feedback
2016-06-11 21:06 <Melanie_> and once via queue
2016-06-11 21:06 <Melanie_> so if there happens to have been a packet enroute, the object then gets killed for good
2016-06-11 21:06 <Melanie_> i remember it was a thorny issue
2016-06-11 21:06 <Melanie_> since we can't recallt the actual packet
2016-06-11 21:07 <diva_> you mean enqueue kill object in the same update queue?
2016-06-11 21:07 <Melanie_> it believe i remember it happens when a packet containing an update for a deleted object gets resent on lludpsender level
2016-06-11 21:07 <Melanie_> so it's not completely fixable
2016-06-11 21:07 <Melanie_> yes i mean enqueue a SECOND kill
2016-06-11 21:07 <Melanie_> one immediate for snappiness
2016-06-11 21:08 <velus> i was on linuxc
2016-06-11 21:08 <Melanie_> one deleyed to catch strays
2016-06-11 21:08 <diva_> can we put kill object packets on that queue?
2016-06-11 21:08 <Melanie_> not as it is now
2016-06-11 21:08 <Melanie_> but that code existed at one time
2016-06-11 21:09 <Melanie_> it was removed because it wasn't snappy
2016-06-11 21:09 <Melanie_> builders complained it would take several seconds to delete prims
2016-06-11 21:09 <Melanie_> so immediate sening was done
2016-06-11 21:09 <Melanie_> +d
2016-06-11 21:09 <Melanie_> but maybe both is the best way
2016-06-11 21:09 <Melanie_> maybe also add some stats reporting on hits in thet hashset
2016-06-11 21:10 <Melanie_> see if it's even used, ever
2016-06-11 21:10 <osmantis> Bug #7920:04 Joined group does not display in viewer until after a relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7920 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-06-11 21:10 <diva_> that sounds a bit more disruptive (to the code) than simply manipulating a lock carefully
2016-06-11 21:10 <osmantis> Bug #7920:04 Joined group does not display in viewer until after a relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7920 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2016-06-11 21:10 <Melanie_> diva_: it's been getting clearer as we speak
2016-06-11 21:10 <Melanie_> it's been a while
2016-06-11 21:10 <Melanie_> so here again
2016-06-11 21:10 <diva_> :)
2016-06-11 21:10 <Melanie_> it's not our code as such
2016-06-11 21:11 <Melanie_> when we package an object update
2016-06-11 21:11 <Melanie_> and pass it to the UDP send queue
2016-06-11 21:11 <Melanie_> and there is alot going on in the sim it may get dropped
2016-06-11 21:11 <Melanie_> so it gets resent
2016-06-11 21:11 <Melanie_> we can't prevent that
2016-06-11 21:11 <Melanie_> if a kill was sent that DID get through
2016-06-11 21:11 <Melanie_> between the failed update and the resend
2016-06-11 21:11 <Melanie_> then the object reappears
2016-06-11 21:12 <Melanie_> unless we actually mark the binary packets in the send queue with the iobjects they update so we can remove queued retries as well
2016-06-11 21:12 <Melanie_> this isn't really fixable at the root
2016-06-11 21:12 <diva_> well the code in 0.8.2 didn't go that deep, it stayed at llclientview level
2016-06-11 21:12 <diva_> and this problem didn't occur
2016-06-11 21:12 <diva_> if we get deadlocks, then it's because the code had a bug that needs fixing
2016-06-11 21:13 <Melanie_> because of that lock but that lock kills al lot fo things dead
2016-06-11 21:13 <Melanie_> that lock is a bad thing
2016-06-11 21:13 <Melanie_> all it does is to cause so much delay in scripting that the retries have happened 
2016-06-11 21:13 <Melanie_> so it seems to work but the root cause isn't fixed
2016-06-11 21:13 <Melanie_> it's a bandaid and a harmful one that that
2016-06-11 21:15 <diva_> I think the intention of that lock was simply to not send object updates for objects that were in the killRecord
2016-06-11 21:15 <diva_> that sounds like a good goal
2016-06-11 21:15 <Melanie_> it doesn't fix the issue
2016-06-11 21:15 <Melanie_> because it can't remove the updates from the retry queue
2016-06-11 21:15 <diva_> well, it fixes all observable forms of the issue...
2016-06-11 21:16 <diva_> people were not reporting this bug
2016-06-11 21:16 <Melanie_> it "fixes" it by reducing performance by an order of magnitude :(
2016-06-11 21:16 <diva_> let me look again at the scope of that lock
2016-06-11 21:16 <Melanie_> using physical bullets becomes impossible with that lock and several people firing automatic safezone weapons
2016-06-11 21:17 <diva_> hmm, yeah , it seems a bit too much
2016-06-11 21:17 <diva_> I don't know why it needs to be that much
2016-06-11 21:18 <Melanie_> the reduction in performance is a side effect of that huge lock
2016-06-11 21:18 <Melanie_> that side effect hides the problem
2016-06-11 21:18 <Melanie_> but it's harmfulness exceeds it's usefulness
2016-06-11 21:19 <Melanie_> rather than having an occasional prim stay visible until relog, you get reduced performance and an inability to run things that should work
2016-06-11 21:22 <diva_> why don't we just lock it when we look at the killRecord?
2016-06-11 21:23 <diva_> I'm not even sure we need to lock it there, it's just a lookup
2016-06-11 21:23 <diva_> if (m_killRecord.Contains(part.LocalId))
2016-06-11 21:25 <diva_> I mean I see your point. That may not do it if some other thread is also placing objects in the killRecord
2016-06-11 21:26 <diva_> omg.
2016-06-11 21:27 <diva_> that killRecord was not being emptied... ever
2016-06-11 21:27 <diva_> it was only being added localIds
2016-06-11 21:28 <diva_> that was a bug, and it may hae made performace even worse, cos the set would get longer over time
2016-06-11 21:30 <diva_> on the other hand... :)
2016-06-11 21:30 <diva_> we could perhaps make use of that "bug"
2016-06-11 21:30 <diva_> and transform it into a featre
2016-06-11 21:30 <diva_> feature
2016-06-11 21:31 <diva_> if all the localIds of all objects ever killed stays there, then we can really just look it up without locking it
2016-06-11 21:33 <diva_> anywya, gotta go play Jedi Master for a few hours
2016-06-11 21:33 <diva_> (Hooding ceremony here)
2016-06-11 21:39 <Melanie_> you're still on a partly wrong tack
2016-06-11 21:40 <Melanie_> the kill reecord is per client, it's size is inconsequential because it lapses when the client logs off
2016-06-11 21:40 <Melanie_> that is why no one bothered to clear it
2016-06-11 21:40 <Melanie_> so if it's 2 MB, who really cares
2016-06-11 21:40 <Melanie_> when other stuff is 200MB 
2016-06-11 21:40 <Melanie_> and never cleared
2016-06-11 21:40 <Melanie_> but again
2016-06-11 21:40 <Melanie_> the issue is in retries on the udp level
2016-06-11 21:40 <Melanie_> and it's not even possible to simply stop the whole packet
2016-06-11 21:41 <Melanie_> because it's acks need to be preserved
2016-06-11 21:41 <Melanie_> e.g. converted to an ack packet
2016-06-11 21:41 <Melanie_> it's not easy to fix this right
2016-06-12 00:15 -!- IgorVorotiloff(~GuyCharle@unaffiliated/igorvorotiloff) has left #opensim-dev
2016-06-12 14:07 <osmantis> Bug #7915:04 Objects are not set to the group, when they are rezzed or created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7915 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-12 14:10 <osmantis> Bug #7915:04 Objects are not set to the group, when they are rezzed or created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7915 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-12 14:16 <osmantis> Bug #7915:04 Objects are not set to the group, when they are rezzed or created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7915 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-12 14:18 <osmantis> Bug #7920:04 Joined group does not display in viewer until after a relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7920 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-12 14:19 <osmantis> Bug #7920:04 Joined group does not display in viewer until after a relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7920 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2016-06-12 14:27 <diva_> danbanner can you show me the osgrid configuration file?
2016-06-12 14:28 <danbanner> the php?
2016-06-12 14:28 <diva_> no, OpenSim.ini
2016-06-12 14:28 <danbanner> sure one sec
2016-06-12 14:30 <danbanner> http://pastebin.com/6Rb2q41i
2016-06-12 14:30 <danbanner> whole file is at http://download.osgrid.org/OpenSim.ini.txt
2016-06-12 14:31 <diva_> odd. I don't understand how misterblue's fix fixed the problems in osgrid, then. I think he only touched the Groups V2 module...
2016-06-12 14:32 <danbanner> i updated the mantis, searching and joining works but accepting an invite still fails
2016-06-12 14:32 <danbanner> well fails to update the list
2016-06-12 14:32 <danbanner> actual join works
2016-06-12 14:32 <danbanner> you still have to relog
2016-06-12 14:33 <danbanner> his fix did let my test avatar rez with active group shown
2016-06-12 14:33 <osmantis> Bug #7920:04 Joined group does not display in viewer until after a relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7920 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2016-06-12 14:35 <danbanner> the xmlrpc.php and group settings for the ini work fine on 0.8
2016-06-12 14:35 <danbanner> not sure what changed to make the update not be sent
2016-06-12 15:54 <osmantis> Bug #7921:04 Bulk Upload Fails Offten 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7921 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-06-12 15:55 <misterblue> The group logic was refactored differently in the two code bases (082 and avi)... some updates could have easily been lost in the merge
2016-06-12 15:56 <misterblue> I've walked through Addons/Groups/GroupModule... now looking at xmlRpcGroups/GroupsModule
2016-06-12 18:17 <osmantis> Bug #7922:04 Contents of prims fail to load when edited 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7922 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-06-12 19:00 <osmantis> Bug #7922:04 Contents of prims fail to load when edited 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7922 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-06-12 19:24 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-12 19:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #4649 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-06-12 19:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4649: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4649/
2016-06-12 19:37 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7858: DeleteSceneObject done slightly differently. ProcessEntities now checks whether the objects have been deleted and, if so, sends an extra kill object packet, in order to compensate for potential race conditions encountered by the first one.
2016-06-12 19:59 <JeffKelley> diva : prims deletion do not propagate to child regions
2016-06-12 20:01 <danbanner> anyone know if this exception on a windows machine might be related to table case or would it be something else?
2016-06-12 20:01 <danbanner> http://pastebin.com/PPrHrjtK
2016-06-12 20:08 <JeffKelley> what's that ? new prims is now 'Object', not 'Primitive'
2016-06-12 20:10 <LiruCookies> They're evolving.
2016-06-12 20:23 <diva_> danbanner that does't seem like a table name issue. It seems like a string problem
2016-06-12 20:23 <danbanner> hmm
2016-06-12 20:24 <danbanner> so "Text" is correct?
2016-06-12 20:24 <diva_> '\xE2\x96\x92\xE2\x96\x88...'
2016-06-12 20:24 <diva_> where did that come from?
2016-06-12 20:24 <danbanner> no idea
2016-06-12 20:24 <danbanner> object someone is building
2016-06-12 20:24 <danbanner> just prims textures and scripts
2016-06-12 20:24 <diva_> with what viewer?
2016-06-12 20:24 <danbanner> its in the console 
2016-06-12 20:25 <diva_> no I mean that name comes from some viewer
2016-06-12 20:25 <danbanner> oh it does?
2016-06-12 20:25 <danbanner> im using singularity
2016-06-12 20:25 <diva_> yeah it's probably the name or description or something
2016-06-12 20:25 <danbanner> the pastebin shows the object name 
2016-06-12 20:26 <danbanner> [SCENE]: Storing of Particle Script Maker BETA 0.8  OSG BIRTHDAY BUILD
2016-06-12 20:28 <diva_> it comes from prim. Text
2016-06-12 20:28 <diva_> llSetText, I guess
2016-06-12 20:28 <danbanner> ahh
2016-06-12 20:28 <danbanner> there is hovertext
2016-06-12 20:29 <danbanner> i'll look closer in a bit
2016-06-12 20:29 <JeffKelley> yep, you've got funny unicode chars in your hovertext
2016-06-12 20:31 <danbanner> or database isnt utf8
2016-06-12 20:31 <danbanner> lol
2016-06-12 20:55 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-12 21:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #4650 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-06-12 21:03 <osmantis> Bug #7896:04 PRIM_TYPE reports incorrectly when flexi-prim is enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7896 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-12 21:04 <osmantis> Bug #7910:04 Setting PRIM_FLEXIBLE with llSetPrimitiveParams corrupts PRIM_TYPE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7910 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-12 21:08 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-06-12 21:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4650: SUCCESS in 5 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4650/
2016-06-12 21:08 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Detection of Cylinder and Prism for flexi prims
2016-06-12 21:25 <JeffKelley> diva : there may be more about 7858. When i observe the process from a neighbouring region, the deleted prims are not cleared. Behavior is different from bcee4e3
2016-06-12 21:26 <diva_> ok
2016-06-12 21:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #4651 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-06-12 21:30 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2016-06-12 21:30 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-12 21:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4651: SUCCESS in 5 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4651/
2016-06-12 21:35 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Still mantis #7858: send kill object / update to child agents too
2016-06-12 21:37 <JeffKelley> seems good
2016-06-12 21:39 <osmantis> Bug #7922:04 Contents of prims fail to load when edited 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7922 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007904.
2016-06-12 21:39 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007922.
2016-06-12 21:46 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-12 21:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #4652 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-06-12 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #7861:04 llEdgeOfWorld fails most of the time in a 1x1 region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7861 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-12 21:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4652: SUCCESS in 5 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4652/
2016-06-12 21:53 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7861. llEdgeOfWorld not working. Two reasons: (1) edge was being filled but not used; (2) region size was being ignored when computing the neighbors' coordinates.
2016-06-12 22:30 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-12 22:31 <velus> for those in the uk there is a oggcamp this year, and it will be in manchester, it would be good if someone was to go to it from here
2016-06-12 22:34 <osmantis> Bug #7915:04 Objects are not set to the group, when they are rezzed or created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7915 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-06-12 22:35 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-12 22:36 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-06-12 23:08 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-12 23:17 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-12 23:21 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-12 23:23 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-12 23:24 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-12 23:25 <Melanie_> diva_: ping
2016-06-12 23:25 <diva_> hi
2016-06-12 23:25 <diva_> you're here
2016-06-12 23:25 <Melanie_> a wild idea - is maybe something causing the assets to be requested when that file is built?
2016-06-12 23:26 <Melanie_> that would explain both slowness and load
2016-06-12 23:26 <diva_> let me check
2016-06-12 23:26 <Melanie_> as well as it not happening on a local setup
2016-06-12 23:26 <diva_> hre's what I'm doing
2016-06-12 23:27 <diva_> I have a prim in world with 100 things in it. I duplicate it, then open the contents of the duplicate -- it always takes 3-4 secs the first time, and instantaneous from then on
2016-06-12 23:27 <Melanie_> well, here's the thing
2016-06-12 23:27 <Melanie_> there is a viewerside cache
2016-06-12 23:28 <Melanie_> so there isn't even a transfer if it's just a reopen
2016-06-12 23:28 <diva_> ah ok that explains it
2016-06-12 23:28 <diva_> let me relog
2016-06-12 23:28 <Melanie_> the prim inventory version is part of the request and if it's the same i believe the file isn't even resent
2016-06-12 23:28 <Melanie_> so it's only "I need inventory 192"
2016-06-12 23:29 <Melanie_> and the sim says "You got it already"
2016-06-12 23:29 <Melanie_> OR
2016-06-12 23:29 <Melanie_> the sim says "Here you go"
2016-06-12 23:29 <Melanie_> OR 
2016-06-12 23:29 <Melanie_> the sim says "Thats out of date, here's 193"
2016-06-12 23:29 <Melanie_> the handshake is needed because scripts can change inventory, so can other users
2016-06-12 23:29 <diva_> yeah, relog makes the delay happen again the first time
2016-06-12 23:30 <Melanie_> via allowed drop or groups/friends
2016-06-12 23:30 <Melanie_> I believe there is GetInventoryFileNumber
2016-06-12 23:30 <Melanie_> and GetInventoryFile
2016-06-12 23:30 <Melanie_> that's from (4 years old) memory
2016-06-12 23:31 <Melanie_> i'm not at my coding box
2016-06-12 23:31 <Melanie_> remember, moving house
2016-06-12 23:32 <diva_> ok, the viewer is caching it
2016-06-12 23:32 <Melanie_> i had always thought it was the UDP that fucked up for people
2016-06-12 23:32 <Melanie_> because i never had issues
2016-06-12 23:32 <diva_> nah, this is not udp
2016-06-12 23:33 <Melanie_> i know users did complain but i could never repro
2016-06-12 23:33 <diva_> the file generation is taking a long time
2016-06-12 23:33 <Melanie_> so if you put a log at the start and at the end, the time is significant?
2016-06-12 23:33 <diva_> let me time, actually
2016-06-12 23:33 <Melanie_> because that is where I put them and I didn't get a significant time between them
2016-06-12 23:37 <diva_> you're right
2016-06-12 23:38 <diva_> the long delay comes after the generation
2016-06-12 23:39 <diva_> but those locks are heavy too
2016-06-12 23:39 <diva_> it takes about 1 sec to generate the file, and then there are 2-3 more secs after that
2016-06-12 23:42 <Melanie_> well, the 1 sec is fairly constant and the locks are needed
2016-06-12 23:42 <Melanie_> RWlocks are more efficient than monitor locks
2016-06-12 23:43 <Melanie_> but they're locks nonethless
2016-06-12 23:43 <Melanie_> 1s is acceptable
2016-06-12 23:43 <Melanie_> but your 2-3 seconds
2016-06-12 23:43 <Melanie_> for some they're up to 30!!!
2016-06-12 23:43 <Melanie_> something smells in the state of opensim inventory
2016-06-12 23:43 <diva_> I only have 100 items, and I'm on a local grid
2016-06-12 23:43 <Melanie_> and it's not sceneobjectinventory locks
2016-06-12 23:43 <diva_> it's fairly consistent
2016-06-12 23:44 <Melanie_> yes but in the wild i have people who have much longer times
2016-06-12 23:44 <Melanie_> as well as cases where inventory loading stops altogether
2016-06-12 23:44 <diva_> right. Add network latency and packet drop, and yo're toast
2016-06-12 23:44 <Melanie_> it used to be that when you clicked a prim and it started loading and you'd click another while the first one was still loading, no prim would load at all until relog
2016-06-12 23:44 <Melanie_> even in SL
2016-06-12 23:44 <Melanie_> they fixed it
2016-06-12 23:44 <Melanie_> but we never did
2016-06-12 23:45 <Melanie_> like another fix that came in with 0.9
2016-06-12 23:45 <Melanie_> when sounds were loaded, 0.8 only replied to the viewer when the sound was found
2016-06-12 23:45 <Melanie_> it dropped the request if the asset was invalid or not a sound
2016-06-12 23:45 <Melanie_> but the viewer only has one sound fetch slot
2016-06-12 23:46 <Melanie_> so that caused sounds to stop working
2016-06-12 23:46 <Melanie_> no sounds would download until the next relog
2016-06-12 23:46 <Melanie_> 0.9 introduces sending the proper error code
2016-06-12 23:46 <Melanie_> to free up that slot
2016-06-12 23:46 <Melanie_> i'm just thinking
2016-06-12 23:46 <Melanie_> maybe on prim inventories we also fail to send some vital message....
2016-06-12 23:46 <Melanie_> which is why click-while-loading would fuck it up
2016-06-12 23:47 <Melanie_> my workflow is to never click while loading
2016-06-12 23:47 <Melanie_> i got biitten too often
2016-06-12 23:47 <Melanie_> so i can't rightly say if the issue still exists
2016-06-12 23:49 <Plugh> I've been bitten by that in the past.
2016-06-12 23:49 <diva_> argh! the edit effect is gone!!! My bubbles! Where did they go?
2016-06-12 23:49 <diva_> this is a regression. I love the bubbles~
2016-06-12 23:50 <Melanie_> edit effect?
2016-06-12 23:50 <diva_> yeah, those rays or whatever they are
2016-06-12 23:50 <Melanie_> oh@
2016-06-12 23:50 <diva_> when yo're editing
2016-06-12 23:50 <Melanie_> that's a viewer setting
2016-06-12 23:51 <diva_> is it?
2016-06-12 23:51 <Melanie_> yes
2016-06-12 23:51 <Melanie_> there are three settings
2016-06-12 23:51 <Melanie_> whether to show it at all
2016-06-12 23:51 <Melanie_> the color to show it in
2016-06-12 23:51 <Melanie_> and whether to allow others to see it
2016-06-12 23:52 <Melanie_> others seeing it is a ViewerEffect message
2016-06-12 23:52 <Melanie_> we never implemented those
2016-06-12 23:52 <Melanie_> they also contain things like lookat
2016-06-12 23:52 <Melanie_> which most viewers disable anyway for privacy reasons
2016-06-12 23:52 <diva_> I implemented that
2016-06-12 23:52 <Melanie_> it used to allow anyone to see where everyone else's mouse focus was
2016-06-12 23:53 <Melanie_> aah ok
2016-06-12 23:53 <Melanie_> i suppose avn never took that patch
2016-06-12 23:53 <diva_> but now it's gone
2016-06-12 23:53 <Melanie_> we were always big on privacy
2016-06-12 23:53 <Melanie_> well, you can bring it back from history
2016-06-12 23:54 <diva_> what setting is it?
2016-06-12 23:54 <diva_> maybe this viewer has it off
2016-06-12 23:54 <Melanie_> it's i prefs on singu
2016-06-12 23:55 <Melanie_> it's a color selector and a few checkboxes
2016-06-12 23:55 <Melanie_> i'm on a laptop
2016-06-12 23:55 <Melanie_> can't tell you more
2016-06-12 23:55 <Melanie_> i'm severely limited until the 1st
2016-06-12 23:55 <Melanie_> most of my life in in boxes in storage
2016-06-12 23:55 <Melanie_> is*
2016-06-12 23:56 <diva_> yeah I think it's a regression
2016-06-13 00:01 <osmantis> Bug #7923:04 Edit particle beam is gone (ViewerEffects) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7923 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-06-13 00:09 <diva_> so about the task inventory transfer... the whole thing keeps waiting for 4 secs, and then it displays everything at once. I wonder if there's some signal that the viewer needs to start showing the data as soon as it sarts receiving it]
2016-06-13 00:10 <Plugh> Could be a regression. There were some comments at the recent meeting in osgrid mentioning there have been code regressions arising from the avination code merge.
2016-06-13 00:11 <Melanie_> the viewer effect is a regression
2016-06-13 00:11 <Melanie_> the inventory load is not
2016-06-13 00:11 <Melanie_> it's confirmed in both 0.8 and 0.9
2016-06-13 00:11 <Melanie_> and no, you can't show the data as it goes
2016-06-13 00:11 <Melanie_> the viewer makes a request to the LLVFS
2016-06-13 00:12 <Melanie_> the LLVFS then checks version and downloads the file
2016-06-13 00:12 <Melanie_> it then fires a completion callback
2016-06-13 00:12 <Melanie_> there is no wsy to display anything before the file is complete and no way to send "chunks"
2016-06-13 00:12 <Melanie_> the viewer needs the entire file snd the only offered xfer method is UDP via LLVFS
2016-06-13 00:12 <Melanie_> talk about overengineered
2016-06-13 00:14 <Plugh> bbl. Going to make a run to the store.
2016-06-13 00:14 <diva_> I see we have an arbbitrary number on that transfer thing: 1000 bytes
2016-06-13 00:14 <diva_> is there a reason for that?
2016-06-13 00:14 <Melanie_> number?
2016-06-13 00:14 <diva_> I mean when transfering files via UDP we send 1000 bytes at a time
2016-06-13 00:14 <Melanie_> MTU
2016-06-13 00:15 <Melanie_> 1536 incl. headers
2016-06-13 00:15 <Melanie_> the spec says that anything that has a MTU less than 1536 MUST reasseble the packets
2016-06-13 00:15 <Melanie_> larger packets MAY be disassembled and reassembled
2016-06-13 00:16 <Melanie_> but also MAY be split into smaller packets, the order of which isn't guarantee
2016-06-13 00:16 <Melanie_> only restriction is that such a medium MUST NOT truncate packets and drop the excess
2016-06-13 00:17 <Melanie_> so if your packet is 1536 or less you're guaranteed it will arrive in one piece
2016-06-13 00:17 <Melanie_> more and you may receive two packets containining an arbitrarily split payload and possibly out of sequence
2016-06-13 00:18 <Melanie_> that plays hell with acks
2016-06-13 00:19 <diva_> yeah
2016-06-13 00:19 <diva_> the transfer is the big gorilla
2016-06-13 00:19 <diva_> it goes back and forth many times. but this seems a bit excessive
2016-06-13 00:22 <diva_> this is *way* too much back and forth!
2016-06-13 00:23 <Melanie_> it's "reliabe" UDP
2016-06-13 00:23 <Melanie_> so it's packet -> ack -> packet -> ack
2016-06-13 00:23 <Melanie_> that is the LL protocol
2016-06-13 00:23 <Melanie_> guess why i have always wanted a CAP
2016-06-13 00:23 <Melanie_> the file is usually tiny, compared to textures etc
2016-06-13 00:24 <diva_> the file is 71000bytes, it goes back and forth 71 times!
2016-06-13 00:24 <Melanie_> just a get task inventory cap
2016-06-13 00:24 <Melanie_> and all is well
2016-06-13 00:24 <diva_> let me see what happens if I change that number...
2016-06-13 00:24 <Melanie_> it will work
2016-06-13 00:25 <Melanie_> but it will break catastrophically for people out inthe country,
2016-06-13 00:25 <Melanie_> and in countries with less developed internet
2016-06-13 00:25 <Melanie_> and on mobile nets
2016-06-13 00:25 <Melanie_> e.g. GPRS
2016-06-13 00:25 <Melanie_> 1536 is the highest guaranteed MTU
2016-06-13 00:25 <Melanie_> live with it
2016-06-13 00:28 <diva_> grrr. the udp server doesn't let me
2016-06-13 00:28 <Melanie_> that is good
2016-06-13 00:28 <Melanie_> because i would have been forced to revert/veto that change
2016-06-13 00:29 <Melanie_> the internet is defined as having a 1536 MTU
2016-06-13 00:29 <Melanie_> unless and until that changes, we can't
2016-06-13 00:29 <Melanie_> i know how i fixed it for me
2016-06-13 00:29 <Melanie_> and it may seem weird but actually isn't
2016-06-13 00:29 <Melanie_> see
2016-06-13 00:29 <Melanie_> most people see a bandwidth slider in prefs
2016-06-13 00:30 <Melanie_> first thing they do is crank it all the way up because everyone wants fast, right?
2016-06-13 00:30 <Melanie_> but that causes our UDP sender to drip it's buckets way too fast
2016-06-13 00:30 <Melanie_> causing to many packets to be sent for the actual bandwidth of the user
2016-06-13 00:30 <Melanie_> so 3/4 get dropped and resent
2016-06-13 00:30 <Melanie_> resend is exponential backoff
2016-06-13 00:31 <Melanie_> resulting in huge delays
2016-06-13 00:31 <Melanie_> what the users need to do is REDUCE the bandwidth on that slider
2016-06-13 00:31 <Melanie_> until things smooth out
2016-06-13 00:31 <Melanie_> 71 packets round trip is still <1s
2016-06-13 00:31 <Melanie_> but of you need to resend each packet 2-3 times
2016-06-13 00:31 <Melanie_> the ime loss becomes significant
2016-06-13 00:32 <Melanie_> but try to tell people that
2016-06-13 00:32 <diva_> But I don't have any loss here
2016-06-13 00:32 <Melanie_> they're all "faster is better"
2016-06-13 00:32 <diva_> I have the sim and the vewer on localhist
2016-06-13 00:32 <Melanie_> how can you tell?
2016-06-13 00:32 <Melanie_> resends are not logged
2016-06-13 00:32 <Melanie_> you don't have terminal loss
2016-06-13 00:32 <Melanie_> everything else is masked
2016-06-13 00:33 <diva_> there's basically nothing going on on this sim.
2016-06-13 00:33 <Melanie_> doesn'y matter
2016-06-13 00:33 <diva_> Just 4 cubes inworld, and me opening them
2016-06-13 00:33 <Melanie_> UDP is unreliable transport
2016-06-13 00:33 <Melanie_> send to fsst and you may actually hit your NIC's limit if none else
2016-06-13 00:33 <Melanie_> it is what it is
2016-06-13 00:33 <Melanie_> UDP is NOT the protocol for thid
2016-06-13 00:33 <diva_> my bandwith is 500kbps
2016-06-13 00:34 <diva_> on the viewer
2016-06-13 00:34 <Melanie_> I'd just as soon sponsor a cap to allow http download of this
2016-06-13 00:34 <Melanie_> not financally because i'm not in a postion right now
2016-06-13 00:34 <Melanie_> but i'd endorse it
2016-06-13 00:34 <Melanie_> viewers would need to adopt it
2016-06-13 00:34 <Melanie_> that would mean about 1s load time
2016-06-13 00:34 <Melanie_> rather than 3 to 30
2016-06-13 00:35 <Melanie_> well, you have to agree that on localhost, 71 packets with acks in UDP should not take 3s
2016-06-13 00:35 <diva_> are you sure there's no cap fpr this?
2016-06-13 00:35 <Melanie_> there isn't
2016-06-13 00:35 <Melanie_> there needs to be
2016-06-13 00:35 <diva_> Melanie_ but that's what I"m getting
2016-06-13 00:35 <Melanie_> it's been an ongoing fripe
2016-06-13 00:35 <Melanie_> gripe
2016-06-13 00:35 <diva_> consistently
2016-06-13 00:36 <Melanie_> then there is an issue with the UDP crapola
2016-06-13 00:36 <diva_> 3-4 seconds every time, for every object
2016-06-13 00:40 <diva_> interesting
2016-06-13 00:41 <diva_> I changed those packets to use the Assets queue and it takes much longer that way, 6-7 secs
2016-06-13 00:42 <Melanie_> they should be in the task queue
2016-06-13 00:42 <Melanie_> it gets the highest bandwidth
2016-06-13 00:42 <diva_> yeah they were
2016-06-13 00:42 <Melanie_> udp assets get throttled to death
2016-06-13 00:42 <diva_> I'm trying HighPriority now
2016-06-13 00:42 <Melanie_> because all that's sent is < 1 packet sized things like wearables
2016-06-13 00:42 <Melanie_> not anything multiple K
2016-06-13 00:43 <Melanie_> textures are http
2016-06-13 00:43 <Melanie_> so are maptiles
2016-06-13 00:43 <diva_> hmm, no good
2016-06-13 00:43 <diva_> Task is the least bad
2016-06-13 00:45 <diva_> Unknown is as good/bad as Task
2016-06-13 01:13 <diva_> it also doesn't make any difference if I send the packet immediately, bypassing the queue :/ so it seems there's some hard limit here, maybe the asyncSend or something
2016-06-13 01:17 <diva_> 4 secs for 71 UDP interactions on localhost seem a bit too much! 56ms round trip
2016-06-13 01:25 <diva_> I din't know! This seems pretty much unsolvable
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2016-06-13 19:33 <Priestov> its 0.9.0?
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2016-06-13 22:17 <Melanie_> hi Mandarinka_T 
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2016-06-13 22:17 <osjenkins> melanie: Make chat and instant message modules fully subclassable
2016-06-13 22:17 <Mandarinka_T> hello :)
2016-06-13 22:17 <Melanie_> i saw the tail end of your mantis conversation
2016-06-13 22:17 <diva_> hi
2016-06-13 22:17 <diva_> so that patch defeats the purpose of the verification
2016-06-13 22:18 <Melanie_> what you're looking to dois to HG wthout having NAT loopback
2016-06-13 22:18 <Melanie_> that simply can't work
2016-06-13 22:18 <Mandarinka_T> yes well,  I would liek to know why it defeats because if so, then i , certainyl agree with yoru concerns, but maybe i dnot know some info
2016-06-13 22:18 <diva_> we really need to verify the viewer's ip address, not the ip address reported by the agent circuit data
2016-06-13 22:18 <Mandarinka_T> yes Melanie, because why not to hg teleport to self hosted region ?
2016-06-13 22:18 <diva_> the viewer's ip address cannot be faked
2016-06-13 22:19 <diva_> the ip address reported in the agent circuit data can be easily faked
2016-06-13 22:19 <diva_> that's the whole poin of that verification step
2016-06-13 22:19 <Melanie_> Mandarinka_T: you need to use NAT loopback
2016-06-13 22:19 <Melanie_> which will make your own sim see your public address as your viewer address
2016-06-13 22:19 <diva_> when the sim gets contacted by the viewer, we need to verify if the viewer's ipaddress is indeed the one that was seen at login
2016-06-13 22:19 <Melanie_> and you will see your own region at it's public address
2016-06-13 22:20 <Melanie_> in that case, HG teleport home works fine
2016-06-13 22:20 <diva_> yeah, there is a way to make home networks work for HG
2016-06-13 22:20 <diva_> but you have to set them properly
2016-06-13 22:20 <Mandarinka_T> Melanie, yes but i can tp to my reigon inside oen grid, only hg tp is problem so nat works in oen acse and in other not ?
2016-06-13 22:20 <Melanie_> it's when you don't have NAT loopback, or have it and still use 192.* addresses, that you run into problems
2016-06-13 22:20 <Melanie_> Mandarinka_T: local teleports don't check IP because there is no way to spoof the session id
2016-06-13 22:21 <Melanie_> the secure session id is serverside only
2016-06-13 22:21 <Melanie_> so we don't need to verify IP unless comong in from the cold
2016-06-13 22:22 <Mandarinka_T> wel i agre ei ahve not such knowledge at ocne liek you both :) i am new here. so if i wud deal with useragenrservice.cs in robust then it is proper way of dealing with this problem ?
2016-06-13 22:22 <Melanie_> the on;y proper way is to have BAT loopback
2016-06-13 22:22 <Melanie_> NAT*
2016-06-13 22:22 <diva_> Mandarinka_T that verification step is there because it would be the easiest thing to impersonate someone else if it wasn't there. If you visit my sim, I get all the information about your session -- session ids, IP address, etc. I can then launch an agent at some other grid pretending to be you
2016-06-13 22:23 <diva_> but the one thing I don't have is the capability to spoof TCP to inject your IP address as the source
2016-06-13 22:23 <Melanie_> needless to say, diva could then do horrible things with your reputation
2016-06-13 22:23 <diva_> so I'm screwed
2016-06-13 22:23 <Melanie_> and probably get you banned from all grids
2016-06-13 22:23 <diva_> :)
2016-06-13 22:24 <Mandarinka_T> ok i agree, so should i leave tis interestign rpoblem ? i do not like to leave exercises not solved :)
2016-06-13 22:24 <diva_> so verification of the viewer's IP address is absolutely required for the HG to give guarantees ot authentication
2016-06-13 22:24 <diva_> we could make some provisions for special cases
2016-06-13 22:24 <Mandarinka_T> i can leave this scene.cs with peace if you wish
2016-06-13 22:24 <diva_> but I'd have to think whether they are safe
2016-06-13 22:25 <diva_> so in the sim we can check if the viewer is in the same network as the sim
2016-06-13 22:25 <diva_> and be lenient, maybe
2016-06-13 22:25 <Melanie_> diva_: we've been over this
2016-06-13 22:25 <Melanie_> and we found that it just doesn't work
2016-06-13 22:25 <diva_> yeah, I have a vague idea we talked about this before
2016-06-13 22:25 <Melanie_> because private nets and public nets don't mix
2016-06-13 22:26 <Melanie_> if you're on 192.168.0.1
2016-06-13 22:26 <Melanie_> and HGTP to a sim that is local at the same local address
2016-06-13 22:26 <Melanie_> BOOM
2016-06-13 22:26 <Mandarinka_T> hmm but what is goign to happen if i wud work in here: public bool VerifyClient(UUID sessionID, string reportedIP)  ? that is also wrong approach ?
2016-06-13 22:26 <Melanie_> which is why local viewer addresses are simply not allowable
2016-06-13 22:27 <diva_> Mandrinka_T it may be possible to make special provisions for those special addresses, but Melanie thinks it's a bad idea
2016-06-13 22:28 <diva_> so I'll to think whether it's really safe or not
2016-06-13 22:28 <Mandarinka_T> ok but we need to see it ok ?  it is liek in my maths  proof and preprint and then we can investigate
2016-06-13 22:28 <Mandarinka_T> there is bool result = travel.ClientIPAddress == reportedIP || travel.MyIpAddress == reportedIP;  and
2016-06-13 22:28 <Mandarinka_T> i feel intuitevely that is clue
2016-06-13 22:28 <Melanie_> diva_, Mandarinka_T: the problem is that local addresse are NOT UNIQUE
2016-06-13 22:28 <diva_> that would be too late for these special provisions
2016-06-13 22:29 <Melanie_> you can use a local addr and go to a grid on a public address space
2016-06-13 22:29 <diva_> the place to add those special provisions is HGTransferModule, lines 695---711
2016-06-13 22:29 <Melanie_> but if you go to a private HG standalone at the exact same IP as your local machine
2016-06-13 22:29 <Melanie_> bad things ensue
2016-06-13 22:29 <diva_> HGEntityTransferModule
2016-06-13 22:29 <Mandarinka_T> yes i have also looked at those lines Diva
2016-06-13 22:30 <diva_> that code executes at the sim
2016-06-13 22:30 <Mandarinka_T> ok i want you both to udenrstand me, my soemtimes wrong hits are not beacsue i want sth bad i just learn and offer ideas  that problem is int5eresting to solve if it is possible
2016-06-13 22:30 <Mandarinka_T> i do not insist to agree and accpet my solution if it is ikpoper
2016-06-13 22:30 <Mandarinka_T> improper*
2016-06-13 22:30 <Melanie_> i am aware of that
2016-06-13 22:30 <diva_> yeah, thanks. Always good to have people wanting to learn how this works
2016-06-13 22:30 <Melanie_> you're trying the waters and making first stes
2016-06-13 22:31 <Melanie_> some of your input is good
2016-06-13 22:31 <Melanie_> it has resulted in a number of accepted patches
2016-06-13 22:31 <Melanie_> thank you for those
2016-06-13 22:31 <diva_> that's why I asked you to come here; mantis is too slow :)
2016-06-13 22:31 <Melanie_> but some things just can never work riht
2016-06-13 22:31 <Melanie_> this is one
2016-06-13 22:31 <diva_> but Melanie_ We could test at the sim if the viewer is in the local network and bypass verification no? Just trust?
2016-06-13 22:32 <Mandarinka_T> i see. hard to accept such situation that sth cant work right :) but well i ned to agree then )
2016-06-13 22:32 <Melanie_> and what if it's in ANOTHER local network?
2016-06-13 22:32 <Melanie_> there is no useable solutiion
2016-06-13 22:32 <diva_> would that come as 192.x.x.x?
2016-06-13 22:32 <Melanie_> well, let's spin this
2016-06-13 22:33 <Melanie_> if you log into 192.168.0.1
2016-06-13 22:33 <Melanie_> and try to hgtp away
2016-06-13 22:33 <Melanie_> you won't get anywhere
2016-06-13 22:33 <Melanie_> because reasons :)
2016-06-13 22:33 <Melanie_> if you log into <your external IP> and hgtp away
2016-06-13 22:33 <Melanie_> you will come back and it will work. that mean you ave working nat loopback
2016-06-13 22:33 <Melanie_> if you log into OSGrid
2016-06-13 22:34 <Melanie_> then try to HG into your own standalone
2016-06-13 22:34 <Mandarinka_T> i was thinkign ab this: return security.VerifyClient(aCircuit.SessionID, token);  in hgtransfeermodule.cs but i decided that i do not understand what is string token, precisley what it inlcudes
2016-06-13 22:34 <Melanie_> your standalone will see the viewer address as 192.168.0.1
2016-06-13 22:34 <Melanie_> but exect your public address 
2016-06-13 22:34 <Melanie_> boom
2016-06-13 22:34 <Melanie_> but if you accept this 
2016-06-13 22:34 <Melanie_> as you suggest
2016-06-13 22:35 <diva_> but Melanie_ at that point I could have the sim detect that the viewer is in the same local network
2016-06-13 22:35 <Melanie_> that would then make the sim's notion of the viewer address be 192.168.0.1
2016-06-13 22:35 <Melanie_> so you can never go out again
2016-06-13 22:35 <Melanie_> thst is inconsistent
2016-06-13 22:35 <Melanie_> not ready for prime time
2016-06-13 22:35 <diva_> hmm, no
2016-06-13 22:35 <diva_> the agent circuit data remains as it is, with the external I{ address
2016-06-13 22:35 <Melanie_> then other checks in opensim and messaging stuff will fail
2016-06-13 22:35 <diva_> the only thing that wouldn't happen would be the verification itseklf
2016-06-13 22:35 <Melanie_> unless there is nat loopback
2016-06-13 22:35 <diva_> the sim would just trust
2016-06-13 22:36 <Melanie_> in which case we wouldn't be there in the first place
2016-06-13 22:36 <Melanie_> the sim will sned packets to the ACD IP
2016-06-13 22:36 <Melanie_> not the actual IP
2016-06-13 22:36 <Melanie_> munging the ACD will result in no TP out ever again
2016-06-13 22:36 <Melanie_> not munging in no prims
2016-06-13 22:37 <Mandarinka_T> and what wud happen if wud create ber protection against spoofing this clientip as you earleir were telign me here and we wud not be afraid of avoiding nat loopback ? 
2016-06-13 22:38 <Mandarinka_T> because i can feel that main problem to agree with my proposal is that rogue cleint can defeate security
2016-06-13 22:38 <diva_> hmm, so yuo're saying that even if I bypass verification the whole thing wouldn't work?
2016-06-13 22:38 <diva_> because the sim sends traffic to the public IP address?
2016-06-13 22:38 <Melanie_> correct
2016-06-13 22:38 <diva_> i c
2016-06-13 22:38 <Mandarinka_T> so for what there is bypassclientverification included in code ?
2016-06-13 22:38 <Melanie_> and if that traffic gets to the viewer then nay loopback is in place and we wouldn't be having this convo
2016-06-13 22:38 <Melanie_> nat*
2016-06-13 22:40 <Mandarinka_T> useragentservice has this moment: if (m_BypassClientVerification)                 return true;  so it doesnt work ?
2016-06-13 22:40 <diva_> bypassclientverification is there if peple want to run completely insecure grids, because they trust each other. 
2016-06-13 22:40 <Mandarinka_T> ok but due to MElanie, then thier super trusted grid is wrong
2016-06-13 22:40 <Melanie_> the point is, it simply does NOT work
2016-06-13 22:40 <Melanie_> unless you have NAT loopback
2016-06-13 22:41 <Melanie_> we had weeks of discussions with diva_  and justincc
2016-06-13 22:41 <Melanie_> it just doesn't work!
2016-06-13 22:42 <diva_> hmm
2016-06-13 22:42 <nebadon> hello
2016-06-13 22:43 <nebadon> issues with OSgrid upgrade
2016-06-13 22:43 <Mandarinka_T> Diva, Melanie, nothing is going to be wrong if we can little experiemtn i think right ? and becausei have started
2016-06-13 22:43 <nebadon> not going super smooth
2016-06-13 22:43 <Mandarinka_T> i can continue
2016-06-13 22:43 <Melanie_> nebadon: do tell
2016-06-13 22:43 <diva_> Mandarinka_T if you want you can try making special provisions in HGEntityTransferMOdule. Check if the viewer comes from an address starting with 192 then if so, don't do client verification. See if that works. Then try to TP out again
2016-06-13 22:43 <nebadon> i suspect we maybe missing new config or something im not sure
2016-06-13 22:43 <nebadon> well login hangs
2016-06-13 22:43 <nebadon> and regions hang also
2016-06-13 22:43 <nebadon> on HG Inventor broker my region hangs
2016-06-13 22:44 <diva_> what do you mean hangs?
2016-06-13 22:44 <nebadon> well login the viewer just hangs there are no errors on robust
2016-06-13 22:44 <nebadon> when i restart a region it gets stuck on this line
2016-06-13 22:44 <diva_> like UDP problems?
2016-06-13 22:45 <nebadon> [HG Inventory Broker]: Manually setting scene RemoteXInventoryServicesConnector to Sisyphus
2016-06-13 22:45 <nebadon> it never moves past that
2016-06-13 22:45 <nebadon> so maybe a clue
2016-06-13 22:45 <nebadon> we have seperate Inventory robust servers
2016-06-13 22:45 <nebadon> so maybe im missing something new that changed from 0.8.2.0 to 0.9
2016-06-13 22:45 <diva_> wait is that on login or on sim reboot?
2016-06-13 22:45 <nebadon> that error above is on region restart
2016-06-13 22:46 <nebadon> on the region console
2016-06-13 22:47 <nebadon> diva this is our Robust ini for Inventory consoles
2016-06-13 22:47 <nebadon> http://pastebin.com/cg9p63tE
2016-06-13 22:48 <diva_> hmmm I suspect the hang is after that line not on it
2016-06-13 22:48 <nebadon> ya maybe
2016-06-13 22:48 <nebadon> there is very little to go on
2016-06-13 22:48 <Melanie_> avination didn't change inventory
2016-06-13 22:48 <Melanie_> we didn't need to
2016-06-13 22:49 <Melanie_> in fact core changed inventory while we didn't
2016-06-13 22:49 <Melanie_> so that was merged
2016-06-13 22:49 <diva_> is this a clean install of the sim? rm mono addins maybe?
2016-06-13 22:51 <nebadon> the sim was fine
2016-06-13 22:51 <nebadon> before we upgraded robust
2016-06-13 22:51 <nebadon> all i did was upgrade robust and restart it
2016-06-13 22:51 <diva_> but did you clean it up>
2016-06-13 22:51 <nebadon> now the whole grid is dead
2016-06-13 22:51 <nebadon> clean what up?
2016-06-13 22:51 <diva_> rm the mono addins directory
2016-06-13 22:51 <nebadon> robust?
2016-06-13 22:51 <nebadon> its a fresh clone
2016-06-13 22:51 <diva_> no the sim
2016-06-13 22:51 <nebadon> the sim wasnt updated
2016-06-13 22:51 <nebadon> would that matter?
2016-06-13 22:52 <nebadon> the sim was already running on 0.9 for a while
2016-06-13 22:52 <diva_> what version i sthe sim on?
2016-06-13 22:52 <nebadon> and it had no problem connecting to 0.8.2 robust
2016-06-13 22:52 <nebadon> its 0.9.0 hash 6c5005a
2016-06-13 22:52 <nebadon> but even dan is having issues as well
2016-06-13 22:52 <nebadon> its everyone
2016-06-13 22:52 <nebadon> the viewer eventually times out and says gateway error
2016-06-13 22:53 <diva_> I'm confused. SO does the sim connect to the grid enough for ppl to try to login?
2016-06-13 22:53 <nebadon> no
2016-06-13 22:53 <nebadon> the entire grid is completely dead
2016-06-13 22:53 <danbanner> could this have to do with the hasproxy settings?
2016-06-13 22:53 <nebadon> logins dont work to regions that were fine previously
2016-06-13 22:53 <nebadon> and if you restart a region it hangs starting up
2016-06-13 22:54 <Melanie_> revert service
2016-06-13 22:54 <nebadon> i did
2016-06-13 22:54 <nebadon> and you cant login
2016-06-13 22:54 <Melanie_> then roll forward one by one
2016-06-13 22:54 <nebadon> oh god we cant
2016-06-13 22:54 <nebadon> its like 1000 revisions
2016-06-13 22:54 <nebadon> i just dont have the time for this honestly
2016-06-13 22:54 <Melanie_> order: inventory, grid, user, login
2016-06-13 22:54 <nebadon> i tried reverting
2016-06-13 22:54 <nebadon> and we still cant login
2016-06-13 22:54 <Melanie_> not in code!
2016-06-13 22:55 <Melanie_> just put the old services back
2016-06-13 22:55 <nebadon> i guess the migration did something
2016-06-13 22:55 <Melanie_> then change to new one by one
2016-06-13 22:55 <nebadon> I already tried that
2016-06-13 22:55 <nebadon> the grid is still dead now
2016-06-13 22:55 <nebadon> i assume because of the migration i dunno
2016-06-13 22:55 <nebadon> very odd
2016-06-13 22:55 <nebadon> if i revert servies regions startup fine
2016-06-13 22:55 <nebadon> but you cant log in
2016-06-13 22:55 <Melanie_> ten you should be seeing mysql errors on one of the console
2016-06-13 22:56 <nebadon> nope there are no errors at all on robust console
2016-06-13 22:56 <nebadon> the only change to the db seems to be the active field
2016-06-13 22:56 <nebadon> has been added
2016-06-13 22:56 <Melanie_> did you check the viewer log logging into a region that still works?
2016-06-13 22:56 <Melanie_> see where the hang is?
2016-06-13 22:56 <nebadon> ok let me try that
2016-06-13 22:56 <nebadon> on new robust you mean?
2016-06-13 22:56 <Melanie_> yes
2016-06-13 22:56 <Melanie_> see what the last thing is the viewer gets
2016-06-13 22:58 <Mandarinka_T> trying to start test region in osg, it stops on: 0:57:44 - [HG INVENTORY BROKER]: Manually setting scene in RemoteXInventoryServicesConnector to MANDARINKA - OAR 0:57:44 - [CHAT]: Initialized for MANDARINKA - OAR w:10 s:20 S:100
2016-06-13 23:00 <Mandarinka_T> and my other console of region in osg, exernal service, shows red errors:
2016-06-13 23:01 <Mandarinka_T> 00:49:21 - [XMLRPC-GROUPS-CONNECTOR]: An error has occured while attempting to access the XmlRpcGroups server method groups.getGroupMembers at http://groups.osgrid.org/xmlrpc.php: The request timed out
2016-06-13 23:01 <nebadon> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/9d1bd1607bb36f1b791a552e2e8ebe9c
2016-06-13 23:01 <nebadon> melanie this is last things im seeing
2016-06-13 23:02 <diva_> your behind a proxy, right?
2016-06-13 23:02 <danbanner> yes
2016-06-13 23:02 <diva_> I mean osgrid is
2016-06-13 23:02 <nebadon> yes
2016-06-13 23:02 <nebadon> ok there was more on region 
2016-06-13 23:02 <Melanie_> you're hung in the login service
2016-06-13 23:02 <nebadon> it times out and says Gateway Time-out pop up on viewer
2016-06-13 23:02 <nebadon> and this on console
2016-06-13 23:03 <nebadon> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/462c522363fc820d2ccc5e901eee4655\
2016-06-13 23:03 <nebadon> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/462c522363fc820d2ccc5e901eee4655
2016-06-13 23:03 <diva_> must be the proxy
2016-06-13 23:03 <diva_> is the proxy up & running?
2016-06-13 23:03 <nebadon> yes
2016-06-13 23:04 <nebadon> i could try restarting it
2016-06-13 23:04 <nebadon> has what is being passed at login changed?
2016-06-13 23:04 <nebadon> we have that PHP filter thing
2016-06-13 23:04 <danbanner> ya all our service urls are not responding
2016-06-13 23:04 <nebadon> that logs all the viewer data
2016-06-13 23:05 <danbanner> that wouldnt block maptiles tho would it?
2016-06-13 23:05 <nebadon> restarting nginx didnt seem to help any
2016-06-13 23:06 <Melanie_> the filter is based on what i gave you way back?
2016-06-13 23:06 <Melanie_> then it shouldn't
2016-06-13 23:06 <diva_> I can't access login.osgrid.com
2016-06-13 23:06 <diva_> .org
2016-06-13 23:06 <nebadon> so the proxy stuff has broken then
2016-06-13 23:06 <nebadon> one can only assume
2016-06-13 23:06 <danbanner> ya all the service urls appear dead
2016-06-13 23:06 <danbanner> http://maptiles.osgrid.org:80
2016-06-13 23:07 <diva_> yeah, something is borked with your proxy, indpendent of anything else that may be borked
2016-06-13 23:07 <diva_> that would also explain all the hang ups from the sims
2016-06-13 23:08 <diva_> they try to access central services and hang
2016-06-13 23:09 <diva_> afk, will be back later
2016-06-13 23:09 <nebadon> the proxy seems to be active and working
2016-06-13 23:09 <nebadon> 1 sec diva
2016-06-13 23:09 <nebadon> let me revert it 
2016-06-13 23:09 <nebadon> and you can see if you can access it?
2016-06-13 23:09 <diva_> I'm here for 2 more minutes
2016-06-13 23:10 <nebadon> ok
2016-06-13 23:10 <nebadon> see if you can reach them now
2016-06-13 23:10 <nebadon> robust is back on 0.8.2
2016-06-13 23:10 <danbanner> i just got in world
2016-06-13 23:10 <nebadon> really?
2016-06-13 23:10 <nebadon> ok wtf
2016-06-13 23:10 <diva_> nope
2016-06-13 23:10 <nebadon> hmm
2016-06-13 23:11 <diva_> I can't access http://login.osgrid.org/ from a browser
2016-06-13 23:11 <nebadon> you may not be able to
2016-06-13 23:11 <nebadon> we may limit it
2016-06-13 23:11 <nebadon> ya my region just started finally
2016-06-13 23:11 <danbanner> should be a 404
2016-06-13 23:11 <nebadon> so you can log in now?
2016-06-13 23:11 <danbanner> yes i was able to login
2016-06-13 23:11 <Mandarinka_T> mine too
2016-06-13 23:11 <diva_> ok, I'll be back later
2016-06-13 23:11 <nebadon> ok im in too
2016-06-13 23:11 <nebadon> so wtf
2016-06-13 23:11 <nebadon> its not the proxy then
2016-06-13 23:11 <diva_> There may be something wrong with the XFF header processing, then
2016-06-13 23:12 <danbanner> first time we reverted it hung at connecting to region
2016-06-13 23:12 <nebadon> its how opensim is interacting with proxy
2016-06-13 23:12 <nebadon> yes
2016-06-13 23:12 <nebadon> that is my guess diva_
2016-06-13 23:12 <diva_> laterz
2016-06-13 23:12 <nebadon> and nginx is blocking
2016-06-13 23:12 <danbanner> hmm
2016-06-13 23:12 <nebadon> ok thanks, can you take a look with us later?
2016-06-13 23:12 <nebadon> if so ping me when you can
2016-06-13 23:12 <nebadon> ok well sheesh
2016-06-13 23:12 <nebadon> i wonder why when i reverted earlier we couldnt log in
2016-06-13 23:13 <nebadon> maybe nginx had blocked us for few minutes
2016-06-13 23:13 <nebadon> thinking we were attacking or flooding
2016-06-13 23:13 <nebadon> too many consecutive failures
2016-06-13 23:13 <danbanner> ahh
2016-06-13 23:13 <danbanner> could be
2016-06-13 23:13 <nebadon> pheeeew
2016-06-13 23:13 <nebadon> ok
2016-06-13 23:13 <nebadon> open the grid up for now
2016-06-13 23:13 <nebadon> we can figure this out asap
2016-06-13 23:14 <nebadon> atleast everything is in place
2016-06-13 23:14 <nebadon> and we kind of have a clue now
2016-06-13 23:14 <Mandarinka_T> you were upgrading robust withotu deregistering regions earlier ? 
2016-06-13 23:14 <nebadon> its definitely proxy
2016-06-13 23:14 <nebadon> that should not have mattered I dont think
2016-06-13 23:14 <Mandarinka_T> well but maybe those regions started to send so much cnsecutive failures
2016-06-13 23:15 <nebadon> I kind of recall someone made some changes to proxy stuff
2016-06-13 23:15 <nebadon> that is a very sensitive area proxies are not tolerant of things not being 100% 
2016-06-13 23:15 <nebadon> thats kind of the whole point
2016-06-13 23:18 <Mandarinka_T> :) well , i have noticed in the past when i restart robust server but regions are onlien then always soem services do not work  liek it should
2016-06-13 23:18 <Mandarinka_T> so when i upgrade, i shutdown all regions and restart robust, but my grid is mini )
2016-06-13 23:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #4655 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-06-13 23:22 <nebadon> Melanie_ any clues as to what could have broken with proxy stuff? header malformed or changed some how?
2016-06-13 23:23 <nebadon> it seems to be outbound on the reverse proxy i guess
2016-06-13 23:23 <nebadon> we clearly see our login attempt hitting robust
2016-06-13 23:23 <Melanie_> the header is sent by the viewer
2016-06-13 23:23 <Melanie_> the reply header isn't changed
2016-06-13 23:23 <nebadon> im guessing its the response back out from robust that is failing
2016-06-13 23:23 <nebadon> well something changed in Robust
2016-06-13 23:23 <nebadon> reverting made problem go away
2016-06-13 23:23 <Melanie_> instrument your PHP
2016-06-13 23:23 <nebadon> i have no clue how the php even works
2016-06-13 23:23 <Melanie_> but basically, there have been field sadded but none taken away
2016-06-13 23:24 <nebadon> ya i have no clue how to do that
2016-06-13 23:24 <danbanner> even urls that dont go through php were broken
2016-06-13 23:24 <nebadon> so you think its the PHP that broke?
2016-06-13 23:24 <nebadon> yea it feels more like nginx got unhappy
2016-06-13 23:25 <nebadon> I kind of remember someone changed proxy stuff
2016-06-13 23:25 <nebadon> maybe diva
2016-06-13 23:25 <nebadon> im so rusty on git at the moment
2016-06-13 23:26 <nebadon> i forget how to search lol
2016-06-13 23:26 <danbanner> looking at login_record my attempts were logged correctly
2016-06-13 23:26 <nebadon> yes
2016-06-13 23:27 <nebadon> and we were clearly hitting robust no problem
2016-06-13 23:27 <nebadon> no errors
2016-06-13 23:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4655: SUCCESS in 5 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4655/
2016-06-13 23:27 <osjenkins> melanie: Make the LLUDPServerShim inheritable. There is absolutely no reason for
2016-06-13 23:27 <danbanner> ya and it seems the php is logging the viewer info fine
2016-06-13 23:27 <nebadon> i would think if it wasnt formed correctly robust would have complained more
2016-06-13 23:27 <nebadon> there was literally no messages on robust
2016-06-13 23:28 <nebadon> nothing unusual I should say
2016-06-13 23:29 <Plugh> Hey, nebadon.
2016-06-13 23:30 <nebadon> hello Plugh, how you been?
2016-06-13 23:30 <danbanner> let me look at nginx logs
2016-06-13 23:30 <Plugh> Not too bad, thanks. How have you been?
2016-06-13 23:31 <nebadon> things are good, been busy with Encitra
2016-06-13 23:31 <Plugh> 
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2016-06-13 23:31 <nebadon> finished a really large model recently
2016-06-13 23:31 <nebadon> http://dev.4dialog.com/taby/
2016-06-13 23:31 <nebadon> really large screenshots here
2016-06-13 23:31 <nebadon> http://dev.4dialog.com/taby2
2016-06-13 23:31 <nebadon> I made this slideshow thing yesterday
2016-06-13 23:32 <nebadon> experimenting with super high resolution rendering in blender
2016-06-13 23:32 <Plugh> I've been doing my best to keep the weekly meetings in osgrid running. I don't keep up on the development os like you seemed to do but I do my best with providing answers to questions.
2016-06-13 23:32 <nebadon> and doing photo effects
2016-06-13 23:32 <nebadon> yea I read a few of the logs
2016-06-13 23:32 <nebadon> glad it is still going on
2016-06-13 23:33 <Plugh> nebadon: I can see why you needed a step back after a while. A couple of weeks it was mostly a complaint sessions
2016-06-13 23:33 <nebadon> hehe ya
2016-06-13 23:33 <Plugh> One of the most recent ones I just sat and watched and let them have at it for the most part.
2016-06-13 23:33 <nebadon> heh ya
2016-06-13 23:33 <nebadon> sometimes thats all you can do
2016-06-13 23:34 <nebadon> Melanie_
2016-06-13 23:34 <Plugh> 
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2016-06-13 23:34 <nebadon> this is what Nginx was saying
2016-06-13 23:34 <nebadon> <danbanner> 2016/06/13 16:09:42 [error] 28580#0: *2712 upstream timed out (110: Connection timed out) while reading response header from upstream, client: 80.112.30.71, server: login.osgrid.org, request: "POST /
2016-06-13 23:34 <nebadon> <danbanner> HTTP/1.1", upstream: "http://64.31.16.122:8216/", host: "login.osgrid.org"
2016-06-13 23:34 <Melanie_> means nginx wasn't receiving a reply
2016-06-13 23:34 <Melanie_> the request got to the php
2016-06-13 23:34 <Melanie_> the php forwarded to the service
2016-06-13 23:34 <Melanie_> and then we don't know
2016-06-13 23:34 <Melanie_> open the real service port
2016-06-13 23:35 <nebadon> hmm
2016-06-13 23:35 <Melanie_> and set your viewer to connect tot he real service
2016-06-13 23:35 <Melanie_> no nginx
2016-06-13 23:35 <Melanie_> no php
2016-06-13 23:35 <Melanie_> see if that works
2016-06-13 23:35 <Melanie_> then work backwards
2016-06-13 23:35 <danbanner> so the service was trying to bypass nginx
2016-06-13 23:35 <nebadon> thats not so easy
2016-06-13 23:35 <Plugh> These are big images. What is the resolution?
2016-06-13 23:36 <Melanie_> nebadon it i
2016-06-13 23:36 <Melanie_> s
2016-06-13 23:36 <Melanie_> just open your fireqall to the real service port
2016-06-13 23:36 <nebadon> well there are 13 consoles
2016-06-13 23:36 <nebadon> all of them?
2016-06-13 23:36 <nebadon> or just login?
2016-06-13 23:36 <Melanie_> set it to not bind to localhost of it's bound to localhost
2016-06-13 23:36 <Melanie_> and then point your viewer there
2016-06-13 23:37 <nebadon> Plugh they are roughly 4000x2000 something like that
2016-06-13 23:37 <nebadon> not exactly but something around there
2016-06-13 23:38 <nebadon> its the max the viewer will do if you do high quality snapshots
2016-06-13 23:38 <nebadon> hmm what a pain
2016-06-13 23:39 <Plugh> nebadon: Nice. I haven't done much with Blender in a while. I've been working on an RL project. The modelling I need to do is designing an enclosure for some electronics using the CAD program I use.
2016-06-13 23:39 <nebadon> nice
2016-06-13 23:40 <Plugh> All the circuitry is done and I have my PCBs. I am working on the software I need.
2016-06-13 23:41 <Melanie_> Plugh: i use blender for my 3d printing needs
2016-06-13 23:42 <Melanie_> and eagle for the pcsbs
2016-06-13 23:42 <Melanie_> pcbs
2016-06-13 23:42 <Plugh> I don't like Eagle that much with its restrictions. I switched from WinQCad to Kicad for my schematics and PCB layouts.
2016-06-13 23:42 <Melanie_> i have a license
2016-06-13 23:43 <Plugh> Not really worth the license in my case. I wouldn't use it enough to justify the cost.
2016-06-13 23:44 <Plugh> I will be wanting to 3D print my enclosure but I'm more comfortable designing a real world object using a proper CAD program.
2016-06-13 23:45 <Plugh> I don't have a 3D printer so I don't know what file format my friend my need in order for him to produce the 3 parts I will need printed.
2016-06-13 23:45 <Plugh> s/my need/may need/
2016-06-13 23:47 <Melanie_> i use it almost daily
2016-06-13 23:47 <Melanie_> and i have a 3d printer
2016-06-13 23:48 <Plugh> Melanie, I remember you mentioning you had a 3D printer.
2016-06-13 23:49 <nebadon> .stl is a safe bet
2016-06-13 23:52 <Plugh> yea. I can export to stl.
2016-06-13 23:53 <nebadon> Melanie_ danbanner had a good point services that are outside of the php were also failing
2016-06-13 23:53 <nebadon> like maptiles
2016-06-13 23:53 <nebadon> we do not pass that through our php filter
2016-06-13 23:53 <Melanie_> yes
2016-06-13 23:53 <nebadon> and its still was unreachable 
2016-06-13 23:53 <Melanie_> so the issue may be lower dow
2016-06-13 23:53 <Melanie_> or higher up as it were
2016-06-13 23:53 <Melanie_> i'm too tired to think
2016-06-13 23:53 <danbanner> like the HasProxy stuff?
2016-06-13 23:53 <Melanie_> and will be gome soon
2016-06-13 23:53 <nebadon> ok
2016-06-13 23:54 <nebadon> well if you think of anything just give me a ping
2016-06-13 23:54 <nebadon> I kind of didnt expect to get it fixed tonight :)
2016-06-13 23:54 <nebadon> but if you think of anything please let me know
2016-06-13 23:54 <nebadon> maybe diva will come have some ideas as well
2016-06-13 23:56 <Plugh> I'm going to be updating some backups in a day or so then I'll be planning a grid update to git master.
2016-06-14 00:13 <diva_> so things are working with osgrid now?
2016-06-14 00:13 <diva_> neb?
2016-06-14 00:18 <diva_> afk again 
2016-06-14 00:22 <Melanie_> diva_ np
2016-06-14 00:24 <Melanie_> diva_: no
2016-06-14 00:24 <Melanie_> diva_: i think they expect it to not be an easy fix
2016-06-14 00:24 <nebadon> hey diva_
2016-06-14 00:24 <nebadon> well I rolled back to old version and its working
2016-06-14 00:25 <nebadon> I think we can safely rule out our PHP filter as the problem
2016-06-14 00:25 <nebadon> services that dont even touch that were also failing
2016-06-14 00:25 <nebadon> like maptiles
2016-06-14 00:25 <nebadon> and its obviously not nginx failing on its own
2016-06-14 00:26 <nebadon> we see requests hitting the Robust console
2016-06-14 00:26 <nebadon> when i log in it clearly hits robust
2016-06-14 00:26 <nebadon> but i guess robust is having trouble getting back out through proxy
2016-06-14 00:26 <nebadon> danbanner dug this out of the nginx log
2016-06-14 00:27 <nebadon> danbanner> 2016/06/13 16:09:42 [error] 28580#0: *2712 upstream timed out (110: Connection timed out) while reading response header from upstream, client: 80.112.30.71, server: login.osgrid.org, request: "POST /
2016-06-14 00:27 <nebadon> <danbanner> HTTP/1.1", upstream: "http://64.31.16.122:8216/", host: "login.osgrid.org"
2016-06-14 00:27 <nebadon> lots of those it seems
2016-06-14 00:27 <nebadon> I tried searching git logs but not much popped up
2016-06-14 00:27 <nebadon> im not confident im searching correctly though either
2016-06-14 00:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #4656 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-06-14 00:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4656: SUCCESS in 5 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4656/
2016-06-14 00:36 <osjenkins> melanie: Fields should be protected unless private is required
2016-06-14 00:38 <Plugh> nebadon: Not too surprising. Many git log entries don't say much.
2016-06-14 00:49 <Plugh> I'm off to work on the serial data reception routines I need for my project. 
2016-06-14 00:50 <nebadon> k later Plugh :)
2016-06-14 00:50 <Plugh> Good seeing you again, nebadon. Hope you get the osgrid stuff worked out soon.
2016-06-14 00:53 <nebadon> diva_ and Melanie dan found a potential clue
2016-06-14 00:54 <nebadon> it appears that Robust may be using wrong upstream
2016-06-14 00:54 <nebadon> HTTP/1.1", upstream: "http://64.31.16.122:8216/", host: "login.osgrid.org"
2016-06-14 00:54 <nebadon> shouldnt that be 127.0.0.1?
2016-06-14 00:55 <diva_> what's upstream?
2016-06-14 00:55 <nebadon> well the reverse proxy
2016-06-14 00:56 <nebadon> i dont think that port is exposed to that IP address
2016-06-14 00:56 <diva_> buw where 's that message coming from?
2016-06-14 00:56 <nebadon> that port is only exposed internally I think, though I am not sure
2016-06-14 00:56 <diva_> but
2016-06-14 00:56 <nebadon> from Nginx log
2016-06-14 00:56 <nebadon> that message was in the nginx error log when we were running 0.9
2016-06-14 00:57 <nebadon> basically saying it cant reach 64.31.16.122:8216
2016-06-14 00:57 <nebadon> which is correct it should not be able too
2016-06-14 00:57 <nebadon> it should be trying to reach 127.0.0.1
2016-06-14 00:57 <nebadon> I think anyway
2016-06-14 00:58 <nebadon> danbanner> 2016/06/13 16:09:42 [error] 28580#0: *2712 upstream timed out (110: Connection timed out) while reading response header from upstream, client: 80.112.30.71, server: login.osgrid.org, request: "POST /
2016-06-14 00:58 <nebadon> <danbanner> HTTP/1.1", upstream: "http://64.31.16.122:8216/", host: "login.osgrid.org"
2016-06-14 00:58 <diva_> want me to print out a few more things so you can try again and see what's going on?
2016-06-14 00:58 <nebadon> this is the entire message
2016-06-14 00:58 <nebadon> sure
2016-06-14 00:58 <nebadon> im up for anything at this point
2016-06-14 00:59 <nebadon> now I know we can fall back easily im less stressed, for some reason when i initially reverted we still could not log in, i suspect nginx was being grumpy because of the stream of failures, maybe was limiting people
2016-06-14 00:59 <diva_> hold on letme just eye ball this code with 0.8.2 while I"m doing this
2016-06-14 01:00 <nebadon> took a minute to clear out
2016-06-14 01:00 <nebadon> thanks
2016-06-14 01:00 <nebadon> no rush
2016-06-14 01:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #4657 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-06-14 01:06 <nebadon> should i try this diva_?
2016-06-14 01:06 <diva_> yes try it
2016-06-14 01:06 <nebadon> ok
2016-06-14 01:06 <nebadon> let me pull and compile
2016-06-14 01:06 <diva_> it's just the login, really
2016-06-14 01:06 <nebadon> ok
2016-06-14 01:07 <diva_> does osgrid also use a proxy for the otehr grid services, like inventory etc?
2016-06-14 01:07 <nebadon> for everything
2016-06-14 01:07 <diva_> ok, then that would explain the general fail
2016-06-14 01:07 <nebadon> ya
2016-06-14 01:07 <nebadon> danbanner you ready?
2016-06-14 01:07 <danbanner> ya
2016-06-14 01:07 <diva_> if we fix login we'll fix everything
2016-06-14 01:07 <nebadon> ok here goes
2016-06-14 01:09 <nebadon> im not really seeing anything different on robust console
2016-06-14 01:09 <diva_> there should be a message like this
2016-06-14 01:09 <diva_> "[TEST]: HandleXMLRPCLogin from {0}"
2016-06-14 01:09 <nebadon> the bar that goes across on login screen is hanging at like 10%
2016-06-14 01:10 <nebadon> oh i do see it
2016-06-14 01:10 <diva_> and a few more under [TEST]
2016-06-14 01:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4657: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4657/
2016-06-14 01:10 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Add a few more debug messages to diagnose problems in OSGrid's proxy use
2016-06-14 01:10 <diva_> show me those messages
2016-06-14 01:11 <nebadon> https://gist.github.com/nebadon2025/c4685ec8e0b2055fa245898868b6bddb
2016-06-14 01:11 <danbanner> 18:10:34 - [TEST]: HandleXMLRPCLogin from 127.0.0.1:39914
2016-06-14 01:11 <danbanner> 18:10:34 - [TEST]: Proxy ! 50.175.49.29
2016-06-14 01:11 <danbanner> 18:10:34 - [TEST]: IP is 50.175.49.29:0
2016-06-14 01:11 <danbanner> like so?
2016-06-14 01:11 <danbanner> viewer is not getting any response
2016-06-14 01:12 <diva_> that seems about right
2016-06-14 01:12 <nebadon> danbanner what about nginx log?
2016-06-14 01:12 <danbanner> se
2016-06-14 01:12 <danbanner> c
2016-06-14 01:12 <diva_> so it's detecting the address ok
2016-06-14 01:12 <nebadon> ok let me roll back again so grid isnt dead
2016-06-14 01:13 <danbanner> same 
2016-06-14 01:13 <nebadon> until next update
2016-06-14 01:13 <danbanner> 2016/06/13 18:10:34 [error] 28580#0: *373499 upstream timed out (110: Connection timed out) while reading response header from upstream, client: 50.175.49.29, server: login.osgrid.org, request: "POST / HTTP/1.1", upstream: "http://64.31.16.122:8216/", host: "login.osgrid.org"
2016-06-14 01:13 <diva_> does the landing sim get contacted at all?
2016-06-14 01:13 <diva_> any action on its console?
2016-06-14 01:14 <nebadon> yes
2016-06-14 01:14 <nebadon> it seems or wait
2016-06-14 01:14 <nebadon> no maybe not
2016-06-14 01:14 <nebadon> let me test that again 1 sec
2016-06-14 01:14 <danbanner> now it hangs at region
2016-06-14 01:15 <danbanner> no the regions dont have any grid services at all from the grid 
2016-06-14 01:15 <danbanner> not when 0.9 services are running
2016-06-14 01:15 <nebadon> i put it back to 0.9 again real quick dan
2016-06-14 01:15 <nebadon> and diva i confirm also nothing on the sim
2016-06-14 01:15 <diva_> ok, I need to look some other places. laterz, dinner downstairs
2016-06-14 01:15 <diva_> really?
2016-06-14 01:16 <nebadon> yes
2016-06-14 01:16 <nebadon> i cant even restart a region either
2016-06-14 01:16 <nebadon> it hangs on startup with robust at 0.9
2016-06-14 01:16 <danbanner> all the regions show is 
2016-06-14 01:16 <danbanner> 01:15:37 - [UTIL]: Util STP threadfunc 221032 terminated with error System.Xml.XmlException: Document element did not appear.  Line 1, position 1.
2016-06-14 01:16 <nebadon> i dont get anything on my region at all
2016-06-14 01:16 <danbanner> and stuff like
2016-06-14 01:16 <danbanner> [FORMS]: Error receiving response from http://presence.osgrid.org/presence: The operation has timed out.. 
2016-06-14 01:16 <diva_> ok, I'll be back later
2016-06-14 01:16 <danbanner> k
2016-06-14 01:17 <nebadon> thanks diva_
2016-06-14 01:17 <nebadon> ok grid is downgraded once again
2016-06-14 01:17 <nebadon> should be back up
2016-06-14 01:18 <nebadon> its so wierd danbanner
2016-06-14 01:18 <nebadon> if Sisyphus isnt up
2016-06-14 01:18 <nebadon> i landed at 0/0/0 in Wright Plaza
2016-06-14 01:18 <danbanner> its up and i got in
2016-06-14 01:18 <nebadon> must be some god thing
2016-06-14 01:18 <nebadon> ive noticed this a few times in past weeks
2016-06-14 01:18 <nebadon> actually no
2016-06-14 01:18 <nebadon> its not even 0/0/0
2016-06-14 01:18 <nebadon> its 255/255/21
2016-06-14 01:18 <nebadon> wierd
2016-06-14 01:19 <danbanner> i found it takes the simulators a few mins to start talking to the grid after we revert
2016-06-14 01:19 <nebadon> yea
2016-06-14 01:19 <nebadon> on my simulator console
2016-06-14 01:19 <nebadon> it said avatar being logged out
2016-06-14 01:19 <danbanner> odd
2016-06-14 01:19 <nebadon> and i got diverted to WP
2016-06-14 01:19 <danbanner> hmm
2016-06-14 01:19 <nebadon> i must land at this wierd spot because my sim is a var
2016-06-14 01:19 <danbanner> ya theres some people get sent to welcome station
2016-06-14 01:19 <nebadon> and WP doesnt have those coordinates
2016-06-14 01:19 <nebadon> so it jams me at 255/255
2016-06-14 01:19 <danbanner> ahh
2016-06-14 01:19 <danbanner> ya
2016-06-14 01:20 <nebadon> because im god i dont get put at Telehub
2016-06-14 01:20 <nebadon> lol
2016-06-14 01:20 <nebadon> we might not even have a telehub at WP
2016-06-14 01:20 <nebadon> now i think about it
2016-06-14 01:20 <danbanner> i seem to land at 128/128 no matter where i go
2016-06-14 01:20 <nebadon> well I logged into Home
2016-06-14 01:20 <danbanner> cool
2016-06-14 01:20 <nebadon> and my home coordinates are in the like 500m range
2016-06-14 01:20 <nebadon> probably why i get this wierd result
2016-06-14 01:21 <nebadon> those coorindates must carry over when you get diverted to closest landing zone
2016-06-14 01:38 <diva_> so nebadon, just to recap: the sim sees no action whatsoever when you login?
2016-06-14 01:39 <danbanner> ya nothing that relies on services (viewers or simulators) are getting any response 
2016-06-14 01:39 <nebadon> correct
2016-06-14 01:39 <nebadon> its like the proxy stuff just completely fails
2016-06-14 01:39 <nebadon> all services become unreachable even when the URL is pasted in the web browser
2016-06-14 01:39 <nebadon> no oopps message
2016-06-14 01:40 <diva_> tell me again, your login service is separated fro the grid service?
2016-06-14 01:40 <nebadon> yes
2016-06-14 01:40 <diva_> can you show me the .ini of the login service? (without passwords)
2016-06-14 01:40 <nebadon> sure can 1 moment
2016-06-14 01:41 <diva_> and also, if possible the portion of the log pertaining to the login attempt
2016-06-14 01:41 <nebadon> danbanner can you please grab that for diva
2016-06-14 01:41 <nebadon> i'll get the ini
2016-06-14 01:41 <nebadon> use pastebin or gist
2016-06-14 01:42 <danbanner> error log from nginx or login service?
2016-06-14 01:42 <diva_> login service
2016-06-14 01:43 <danbanner> sec
2016-06-14 01:43 <nebadon> https://gist.github.com/nebadon2025/1a198aa323e318413d9b3ccbfc84c2d3
2016-06-14 01:43 <nebadon> there you go diva_
2016-06-14 01:46 <danbanner> diva i dont know how much of it you want, the logging is mixed for the different reversions but this looks like it might be useful
2016-06-14 01:47 <danbanner> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/43246b281f018817e4555483882d1cfa
2016-06-14 01:47 <danbanner> i noticed it says  Possible LibOMVGridProxy: False
2016-06-14 01:53 <nebadon> diva_ could it be libomv is the problem?
2016-06-14 01:55 <diva_> no
2016-06-14 01:55 <diva_> that's a new message. I'm not sure what the purpose is
2016-06-14 01:55 <diva_> it's testing if it's running on gridproxy
2016-06-14 01:55 <nebadon> ok
2016-06-14 01:56 <diva_> so you don't see these messages in the login log?
2016-06-14 01:56 <diva_> [LLOGIN SERVICE]: Found destination {0}, endpoint {1} for {2} {3}
2016-06-14 01:57 <danbanner> let me grep
2016-06-14 01:58 <nebadon> i dont see it in the login
2016-06-14 01:58 <nebadon> double check danbanner
2016-06-14 02:00 <nebadon> i looked again not seeing anything
2016-06-14 02:00 <diva_> Or this?
2016-06-14 02:00 <diva_> [GRID USER SERVICE]: User {0} is online
2016-06-14 02:01 <nebadon> no
2016-06-14 02:02 <danbanner> yes it was showing 2 lines for each attempted login earlier
2016-06-14 02:02 <diva_> that's odd
2016-06-14 02:02 <danbanner> [5:43:33 PM] dan banner: 15:43:13 - [AUTH SERVICE]: Authenticating for 03b03153-0757-fa73-314b-920d1a606ded, user account service present: True
2016-06-14 02:02 <danbanner> [5:43:42 PM] dan banner: 15:43:13 - [GRID USER SERVICE]: User 03b03153-0757-fa73-314b-920d1a606ded is online
2016-06-14 02:02 <nebadon> im not seeing that in the log files
2016-06-14 02:02 <danbanner> and thats where it dies
2016-06-14 02:03 <danbanner> was from console when it was failing
2016-06-14 02:03 <nebadon> ya that was on console
2016-06-14 02:03 <diva_> oh so that last message is there
2016-06-14 02:03 <nebadon> those are not bmakign it to the log
2016-06-14 02:03 <diva_> oh you mean they were in the conole but not in the log?
2016-06-14 02:03 <nebadon> appears that way
2016-06-14 02:03 <danbanner> sure the are
2016-06-14 02:03 <danbanner> 2016-06-13 02:56:00,758 DEBUG - OpenSim.Services.UserAccountService.GridUserService [GRID USER SERVICE]: User 03b03153-0757-fa73-314b-920d1a606ded is online
2016-06-14 02:03 <nebadon> danbanner can you confirm that?
2016-06-14 02:04 <nebadon> why the hell is my grep not finding it hrmm
2016-06-14 02:04 <nebadon> what grep command are you doing
2016-06-14 02:04 <nebadon> maybe im in wrong spot
2016-06-14 02:04 <danbanner> grep "User 03b03153-0757-fa73-314b-920d1a606ded is online" Robust_login.log
2016-06-14 02:04 <danbanner> look in ~/grid/log/osgrid
2016-06-14 02:04 <nebadon> ah i was searching for the "[GRID USER SERVICE]: User"
2016-06-14 02:04 <nebadon> ya thats where i am
2016-06-14 02:05 <nebadon> let me try again
2016-06-14 02:05 <danbanner> but thats where everything goes south
2016-06-14 02:06 <nebadon> wierd when i search for that above i get nothing
2016-06-14 02:06 <nebadon> but i use yours it works
2016-06-14 02:06 <danbanner> :)
2016-06-14 02:06 <nebadon> must be the : or [ freaking it out
2016-06-14 02:06 <danbanner> yup
2016-06-14 02:06 <nebadon> its in quotes though
2016-06-14 02:06 <nebadon> strange
2016-06-14 02:06 <danbanner> ive noticed grep ignores . too 
2016-06-14 02:06 <danbanner> 50.14 also finds 5014
2016-06-14 02:07 <nebadon> maybe needs double quotes
2016-06-14 02:07 <nebadon> nah hrmm
2016-06-14 02:07 <nebadon> need to be escaped
2016-06-14 02:07 <danbanner> ya
2016-06-14 02:08 <danbanner> pita
2016-06-14 02:08 <nebadon> lol this works
2016-06-14 02:08 <nebadon> "/[GRID USER SERVICE/]/: User"
2016-06-14 02:08 <nebadon> stupid
2016-06-14 02:08 <diva_> can you show me a complete log with a login attempt?
2016-06-14 02:08 <diva_> I'd like to see how far it goes
2016-06-14 02:08 <nebadon> want me to upgrade it again danbanner?
2016-06-14 02:08 <danbanner> its 970mb
2016-06-14 02:08 <nebadon> we can get a fresh full log
2016-06-14 02:09 <nebadon> she doesnt mean full full log
2016-06-14 02:09 <nebadon> she means the log of a complete login
2016-06-14 02:09 <danbanner> i can remove the log and we do it again to try and get as clean of a log as possible
2016-06-14 02:09 <diva_> yeah, just a complete login attempt
2016-06-14 02:09 <diva_> I'm only seeing bits and pieces
2016-06-14 02:09 <danbanner> sec
2016-06-14 02:09 <nebadon> let me know i'll flip the symlink
2016-06-14 02:09 <nebadon> tell me when to kick it
2016-06-14 02:10 <danbanner> problem is numerous logins all at the same time
2016-06-14 02:10 <nebadon> thats ok
2016-06-14 02:10 <nebadon> as long as the you get a full login
2016-06-14 02:10 <diva_> yeah
2016-06-14 02:10 <nebadon> you really dont even need to start it fresh
2016-06-14 02:10 <danbanner> flip it
2016-06-14 02:10 <nebadon> ok
2016-06-14 02:10 <nebadon> ok do it
2016-06-14 02:11 <nebadon> i only restarted grid and login
2016-06-14 02:11 <nebadon> no point in doing the whole thing
2016-06-14 02:11 <nebadon> its going to fail the same
2016-06-14 02:11 <danbanner> okay viewer is froze
2016-06-14 02:11 <danbanner> flip it back
2016-06-14 02:11 <diva_> grab the log and show me
2016-06-14 02:11 <nebadon> done
2016-06-14 02:14 <danbanner> http://danbanner.onikenkon.com/other/Robust_login.log.save
2016-06-14 02:14 <danbanner> looks pretty normal for the majority of it
2016-06-14 02:15 <diva_> was it Default Resident that you logged in with?
2016-06-14 02:16 <nebadon> danbanner?
2016-06-14 02:16 <danbanner> yes
2016-06-14 02:17 <nebadon> catchy name :P
2016-06-14 02:17 <nebadon> thats as original as my "1 1" avatar
2016-06-14 02:17 <nebadon> lol
2016-06-14 02:19 <danbanner> ya seemed like a good name for an alt
2016-06-14 02:19 <nebadon> http://my.osgrid.org/?name=1.1
2016-06-14 02:19 <nebadon> lol
2016-06-14 02:20 <danbanner> "this is really nebadon izumi's alt"
2016-06-14 02:21 <nebadon> :)
2016-06-14 02:21 <diva_> found the error
2016-06-14 02:21 <diva_> 2016-06-13 19:11:55,200 INFO  - OpenSim.Framework.SynchronousRestFormsRequester [FORMS]: Error receiving response from http://grid.osgrid.org/grid: The remote server returned an error: (502) Bad Gateway.. Request: SCOPEID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&REGIONID=9101b44d-922c-4cc6-94b5-6d176e392dc4&METHOD=get_region_by_uuid
2016-06-14 02:21 <nebadon> hmm ok so any clue what is happening?
2016-06-14 02:22 <danbanner> i think thats because grid.osgrid.org is not responding
2016-06-14 02:22 <diva_> your grid server is not behind a proxy, is it?
2016-06-14 02:22 <nebadon> everything is
2016-06-14 02:22 <danbanner> everything is
2016-06-14 02:22 <diva_> hmm, ok time  to look at 0.8.2 again. 1 sec
2016-06-14 02:22 <nebadon> sure, thanks diva_ :)
2016-06-14 02:29 <diva_> I'm at loss. I don't see why the request to the grid server would fail with bad gateway
2016-06-14 02:29 <nebadon> yea hmmm
2016-06-14 02:30 <nebadon> the header info is unchanged for the proxy data?
2016-06-14 02:31 <danbanner> the part in llogin handlers that says         public XmlRpcResponse HandleXMLRPCLogin(XmlRpcRequest request, IPEndPoint remoteClient)
2016-06-14 02:31 <danbanner> looks the same in 0.8 as 0.9
2016-06-14 02:31 <diva_> yeah everything seems the same
2016-06-14 02:31 <nebadon> so strange
2016-06-14 02:31 <diva_> but something goes wrong when communicating with the grid server
2016-06-14 02:32 <Mandarinka_T> and osgrid.ini looks ok in every detail ? I mean: [GridService], there should not be HasProxy=true too ?
2016-06-14 02:32 <nebadon> yea
2016-06-14 02:32 <nebadon> its there
2016-06-14 02:32 <diva_> no, not needed
2016-06-14 02:32 <danbanner> all our services have that
2016-06-14 02:32 <diva_> it's not used, I don't think
2016-06-14 02:32 <diva_> let me check again in 0.8.2
2016-06-14 02:33 <danbanner> m_Proxy = hasProxy;
2016-06-14 02:33 <nebadon> you created that in the past specifically for the OSgrid proxy diva
2016-06-14 02:34 <nebadon> we definitely needed it before
2016-06-14 02:34 <diva_> but not for the grid service
2016-06-14 02:34 <nebadon> yea it was
2016-06-14 02:34 <nebadon> thats the only place we use the proxy
2016-06-14 02:34 <diva_> and login?
2016-06-14 02:34 <nebadon> oh you mean just for login robust?
2016-06-14 02:34 <nebadon> yea maybe we dont actually have it other inis
2016-06-14 02:34 <Mandarinka_T> yes, here= https://gist.github.com/nebadon2025/1a198aa323e318413d9b3ccbfc84c2d3
2016-06-14 02:35 <nebadon> we do actually
2016-06-14 02:35 <nebadon> wether its needed i cant say
2016-06-14 02:35 <nebadon> but we do have it there in all services
2016-06-14 02:35 <Mandarinka_T> try to add, i wud
2016-06-14 02:35 <nebadon> its already there
2016-06-14 02:35 <nebadon> in the default ini each section has one too
2016-06-14 02:35 <diva_> for login and gatekeeper and user agent, this is needed, but not for the grid server. The code doesn't use it. This is only needed when we need to do something special with the client's IP
2016-06-14 02:35 <danbanner> inventory,maptiles, logins, presence, have it
2016-06-14 02:36 <danbanner> so yes it seems strange grid.osgrid.org is not working
2016-06-14 02:36 <nebadon> yea this is strange indeed
2016-06-14 02:38 <diva_> when yuo flip the login robust to 0.9, did you also flip the grid server to 0.9?
2016-06-14 02:38 <danbanner> yes all services
2016-06-14 02:38 <nebadon> yea everything goes together
2016-06-14 02:38 <Mandarinka_T> gridservice connector is inside LoginService, where  HasProxy  = true, so , mayeb GridService needs it
2016-06-14 02:39 <nebadon> Mandarinka_T services that dont require that are also failing though
2016-06-14 02:39 <nebadon> so its unlikely thats it
2016-06-14 02:39 <nebadon> its like every single robust service gets cut off at the proxy
2016-06-14 02:39 <nebadon> once we update
2016-06-14 02:39 <nebadon> even maptiles which is super basic
2016-06-14 02:39 <nebadon> its like the most basic http server you could imagine
2016-06-14 02:41 <diva_> id the grid server really up?
2016-06-14 02:41 <diva_> when you flip?
2016-06-14 02:41 <nebadon> it appears to be on the console
2016-06-14 02:41 <nebadon> you even see stuff hitting it
2016-06-14 02:41 <diva_> you do?
2016-06-14 02:41 <nebadon> it seems like its outbound that is the issue
2016-06-14 02:42 <diva_> can yuo show me the log?
2016-06-14 02:44 <nebadon> https://gist.github.com/nebadon2025/61061df423dd4b6a3c7b1b6552a66570
2016-06-14 02:44 <nebadon> this shows same timestamps as danbanners log
2016-06-14 02:45 <nebadon> it was only up for a minute or so not a lot of traffic
2016-06-14 02:45 <nebadon> plus there are 2 consoles
2016-06-14 02:45 <nebadon> that split the work
2016-06-14 02:45 <nebadon> you can see though its getting hit
2016-06-14 02:46 <nebadon> after we update all the consoles seem to get inbound
2016-06-14 02:46 <nebadon> it seems like outbound that is what is cut off
2016-06-14 02:46 <nebadon> which would explain why the regions never see anything
2016-06-14 02:46 <nebadon> robust cant get out to them
2016-06-14 02:47 <diva_> yeah the login process stops at the moment of getting the region from the grid server
2016-06-14 02:47 <nebadon> from what it looked like in nginx conisole robust is trying wrong ip address
2016-06-14 02:47 <nebadon> robust is trying to access internal port on external ip
2016-06-14 02:47 <nebadon> its going to fail
2016-06-14 02:47 <diva_> what do you mean
2016-06-14 02:48 <nebadon> <danbanner> 2016/06/13 16:09:42 [error] 28580#0: *2712 upstream timed out (110: Connection timed out) while reading response header from upstream, client: 80.112.30.71, server: login.osgrid.org, request: "POST /
2016-06-14 02:48 <nebadon> <danbanner> HTTP/1.1", upstream: "http://64.31.16.122:8216/", host: "login.osgrid.org"
2016-06-14 02:48 <nebadon> from the nginx log
2016-06-14 02:48 <nebadon> 8216 is an internal port
2016-06-14 02:48 <diva_> but that's not the grid url
2016-06-14 02:48 <nebadon> not exposed to the outside world
2016-06-14 02:48 <nebadon> trying to access that port on that ip will fail externally
2016-06-14 02:48 <diva_> but who's trying to access it?
2016-06-14 02:48 <nebadon> the proxy was
2016-06-14 02:49 <nebadon> usually those ports only hit 127.0.0.1
2016-06-14 02:49 <diva_> grid.osgrid.org is resolving to 64.31.16.122?
2016-06-14 02:49 <nebadon> yes
2016-06-14 02:49 <Mandarinka_T> by the way: your logs show: http://grid.osgrid.org/grid but in ini file you have: http://grid.osgrid.org"  that does not make the difference ?
2016-06-14 02:49 <nebadon> but those ports are behind the proxy
2016-06-14 02:49 <nebadon> those ports are the actual robust ports
2016-06-14 02:49 <nebadon> they are not exposed to the world
2016-06-14 02:50 <nebadon> everything external is port 80
2016-06-14 02:50 <nebadon> always
2016-06-14 02:50 <nebadon> you hit login.osgrid.org:80 nginx routes it internall to 127.0.0.1:8216
2016-06-14 02:50 <nebadon> that will never ever be available to the net exposed IP address
2016-06-14 02:51 <nebadon> it seems like robust is telling nginx to send the person to externalip:internalport
2016-06-14 02:51 <nebadon> unless im reading that wrong
2016-06-14 02:51 <nebadon> this is in the actual error log for nginx
2016-06-14 02:51 <nebadon> with 0.8.2 our error log is 0kb
2016-06-14 02:51 <nebadon> it never gets hit ever
2016-06-14 02:52 <danbanner> i think its nginx trying to reply through 64.31.16.122:8216
2016-06-14 02:52 <danbanner> er opensim
2016-06-14 02:52 <nebadon> right
2016-06-14 02:52 <nebadon> that will definitely fail
2016-06-14 02:53 <nebadon> that port is closed off to external world
2016-06-14 02:53 <nebadon> i bet if we turned off firewall
2016-06-14 02:53 <nebadon> grid would work on 0.9
2016-06-14 02:53 <nebadon> but not in a good way
2016-06-14 03:11 <diva_> I don't know, I'm completely baffled
2016-06-14 03:11 <diva_> Melanie is gonna have to figure this one out
2016-06-14 03:11 <nebadon> ya its odd for sure
2016-06-14 03:11 <nebadon> ya she has access to the box
2016-06-14 03:11 <nebadon> once she is fresh again maybe she can poke
2016-06-14 03:11 <diva_> I don't even understand very well what's going on. 
2016-06-14 03:11 <nebadon> ya me either
2016-06-14 03:12 <diva_> THe login service contacts the grid service alright, but then the response comes via the wrong address?
2016-06-14 03:12 <diva_> I didn't even know that was possible
2016-06-14 03:12 <nebadon> thats the feeling i get
2016-06-14 03:12 <nebadon> its like robust outbound is hitting wrong info on replies
2016-06-14 03:12 <nebadon> wrong ip address for reverse proxy
2016-06-14 03:13 <nebadon> but maybe im misunderstanding that too i cant say im 100% positive
2016-06-14 03:13 <nebadon> but thats what it looks like to me
2016-06-14 03:13 <nebadon> its like its resolving the URL
2016-06-14 03:13 <nebadon> and using its IP
2016-06-14 03:13 <nebadon> instead of the proxy internal ip
2016-06-14 03:14 <diva_> but it looks like the request gets to the grid server
2016-06-14 03:14 <nebadon> yes
2016-06-14 03:14 <nebadon> in seems fine
2016-06-14 03:14 <diva_> stuff is getting in
2016-06-14 03:14 <nebadon> its when robust replies out
2016-06-14 03:14 <nebadon> sends data back
2016-06-14 03:14 <nebadon> ie the reverse proxy
2016-06-14 03:14 <nebadon> it needs to go from 127.0.0.1 to nginx
2016-06-14 03:14 <nebadon> then ngix routes it out
2016-06-14 03:15 <nebadon> if im reading the nginx log
2016-06-14 03:15 <nebadon> robust is telling nginx to send out a ip:port combo that is not accesible to outside world
2016-06-14 03:15 <nebadon> thats my best estimate of what is wrong
2016-06-14 03:28 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-14 03:30 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-14 03:32 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-14 03:34 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-14 03:34 <diva_> neb wanna do one more test?
2016-06-14 03:35 <nebadon> sure
2016-06-14 03:35 <nebadon> just say when diva_ :)
2016-06-14 03:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #4658 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-06-14 03:36 <diva_> this prints something in the grid server console
2016-06-14 03:36 <nebadon> ok
2016-06-14 03:36 <diva_> it prints the I{ of the calling client
2016-06-14 03:36 <diva_> IP
2016-06-14 03:36 <nebadon> compiling
2016-06-14 03:37 <diva_> I would expect it to be 127.0.0.1
2016-06-14 03:37 <nebadon> yes
2016-06-14 03:37 <nebadon> i see 4 already as soon as it started
2016-06-14 03:38 <diva_> then I don't get it
2016-06-14 03:38 <nebadon> but ya login still failing :) i will revert
2016-06-14 03:38 <diva_> Melanie will have to figure it out
2016-06-14 03:39 <diva_> I'm going to revert these two last commits
2016-06-14 03:39 <nebadon> ok
2016-06-14 03:39 <nebadon> thanks for taking a look
2016-06-14 03:39 <nebadon> testing is easy now
2016-06-14 03:39 <nebadon> we will figure it out
2016-06-14 03:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4658: SUCCESS in 5 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4658/
2016-06-14 03:41 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: More debug to diagnose osgrid
2016-06-14 03:41 <Plugh> I hope I don't run in to a similar show stopper when I try to update a grid to git master in a few days time.
2016-06-14 03:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #4659 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-06-14 03:41 <Plugh> bbl
2016-06-14 03:43 <nebadon> well unless you are beind a reverse proxy, that seems unlikely
2016-06-14 03:44 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-14 03:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4659: SUCCESS in 5 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4659/
2016-06-14 03:46 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Revert "More debug to diagnose osgrid"
2016-06-14 03:46 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Revert "Add a few more debug messages to diagnose problems in OSGrid's proxy use"
2016-06-14 03:47 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-14 13:46 <misterblue> diva_: did 0.9.0 update the HTTP server? and/or is the XMLRPC mechanism using keep alives? nginx proxy can timeout like that if the outside of the proxy is doing keepalives while the inside is not (or visa versa)
2016-06-14 13:46 <misterblue> the problem might be configuration of the HTTP server
2016-06-14 13:48 <diva_> misterblue, the http server is the same, but I see some changes in our BaseHttpServer that touched the keep live thing
2016-06-14 13:49 <diva_> that might explain it...
2016-06-14 13:57 <nebadon> good morning :)
2016-06-14 13:59 <Plugh> morning, nebadon
2016-06-14 14:04 <diva_> better wait for Melanie before reverting the BaseHttpServer back to keepAlive / ReuseContext. I don't know all the implications.
2016-06-14 14:34 <Melanie_> diva_: I believe Ubit may have made these changes to make pipelining work
2016-06-14 14:34 <Melanie_> piplining never did work, though
2016-06-14 14:35 <Melanie_> but i don't know what may break if that is changed back
2016-06-14 14:47 <nebadon> any suggestions on moving forward?
2016-06-14 14:48 <nebadon> is Ubit around anymore?
2016-06-14 14:48 <Melanie_> I'm not convinced Keepalive is the issue
2016-06-14 14:49 <Melanie_> these requests aren't even long enough to need keppalives
2016-06-14 14:49 <Melanie_> i''m in the middle of moving as you know
2016-06-14 14:49 <nebadon> yea
2016-06-14 14:49 <Melanie_> but i think if diva_  goes ahead and reverts that http server change for testing at least we can see if it is the cause
2016-06-14 14:50 <nebadon> this isnt super critical however it is keeping osgrid from moving fully into 0.9 realm
2016-06-14 14:50 <nebadon> I think the biggest problem with that is the inability to cross borders between 2 neighbor var regions
2016-06-14 14:50 <nebadon> maybe few other minor things
2016-06-14 14:51 <nebadon> ok lets see what diva_ thinks
2016-06-14 15:05 <Plugh> hm... interesting you mention a border crossing issue. That is one of the "show stoppers" by one person raised at recent meetings in osgrid.
2016-06-14 15:06 <nebadon> ya it seems to be a problem with 0.9 simulators attached to an 0.8.2 robust
2016-06-14 15:07 <nebadon> likely a OSgrid only problem at the moment
2016-06-14 15:07 <nebadon> may be other grids with same issue though
2016-06-14 15:07 <nebadon> could be similar issues on Metropolis too i imagine
2016-06-14 15:13 <Plugh> nebadon, mantis #7862
2016-06-14 15:13 <Plugh> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7862
2016-06-14 15:15 <nebadon> thanks
2016-06-14 15:15 <nebadon> ya if you read last comment
2016-06-14 15:15 <nebadon> it confirms what i say
2016-06-14 15:21 <Plugh> ok
2016-06-14 15:29 <osmantis> Bug #7926:04 parse_ini_file no longer works with $ from Const System 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7926 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-06-14 15:31 <Plugh> djphil: ping
2016-06-14 15:35 <osmantis> Bug #7926:04 parse_ini_file no longer works with $ from Const System 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7926 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-14 15:35 <osmantis> Bug #7817:04 file_get_contents no longer works with 0.9.x on simstatus page 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7817 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-06-14 15:36 <djphil> hi Plugh :)
2016-06-14 15:37 <djphil> (I was focused on the mantis)
2016-06-14 15:38 <Plugh> I just added a comment to it. :)
2016-06-14 15:38 <djphil> i see
2016-06-14 15:38 <djphil> i read
2016-06-14 15:38 <djphil> i desagree lol
2016-06-14 15:39 <Plugh> With what part?
2016-06-14 15:39 <djphil> here when i remove the $ it work
2016-06-14 15:39 <djphil> else no ...
2016-06-14 15:39 <Plugh> If it didn't work with the $ most people using 0.9 would be complaining.
2016-06-14 15:40 <Plugh> Why did your usage show a /... after MyService?
2016-06-14 15:40 <djphil> opensim work BUT the php function NO
2016-06-14 15:41 <Plugh> The PHP thing is a separate issue.
2016-06-14 15:41 <djphil> yes i understand that
2016-06-14 15:42 <djphil> My exemple of usage is:
2016-06-14 15:42 <djphil> SearchURL = "${Const|jOpensimURL}/components/com_opensim/interface.php"
2016-06-14 15:42 <djphil> (jOpenSim is a Joomla Componant for OpenSim)
2016-06-14 15:44 <djphil> but all values with $ can't be read proprely by parse_ini_file
2016-06-14 15:44 <Plugh> ok. You have a typo in how you showed your usage of a Const setting.
2016-06-14 15:45 <Plugh> in the mantis that is.
2016-06-14 15:46 <djphil> you want me trying to remove $ in my .ini file?
2016-06-14 15:46 <Plugh> djphil: Can you paste the entry in [Const] where you set jOpensimURL?
2016-06-14 15:46 <Plugh> Change the IP addy or port if you want to keep that info private.
2016-06-14 15:46 <Plugh> or PM it to me.
2016-06-14 15:47 <djphil> [Const]
2016-06-14 15:47 <djphil> jOpensimURL = "http://domain.com/private/joomla30"
2016-06-14 15:47 <djphil> that what i have for this componant
2016-06-14 15:48 <Plugh> ok, that looks fine.
2016-06-14 15:48 <djphil> yeap i think
2016-06-14 15:48 <diva_> nebadon Melanie I'm going to "revert" those changes to BaseHttpServer, see if that works
2016-06-14 15:48 <djphil> 
ACTION wave to diva_

2016-06-14 15:52 <Plugh> djphil: Why do you say parse_ini_file can't read the setting? Are you seeing any error messages when an instance starts?
2016-06-14 15:53 <djphil> i say that because i write a webinterface with a php ini's files reader
2016-06-14 15:53 <Plugh> Do you have some other setting before jOpensimURL where you may have forgotten the closing "?
2016-06-14 15:53 <djphil> it can read all ini files from my opensim directory
2016-06-14 15:54 <djphil> then i try to read OpenSimDefault.ini
2016-06-14 15:54 <djphil> and it work
2016-06-14 15:54 <djphil> then i try with another (the OpenSim.ini) and it DON'T work
2016-06-14 15:54 <djphil> then i try to understand the problem
2016-06-14 15:54 <djphil> i compare files
2016-06-14 15:54 <djphil> and i found the problem is the "$" chart
2016-06-14 15:55 <djphil> the problem isn't jOpenSim
2016-06-14 15:55 <djphil> the problem is the $ in the config
2016-06-14 15:55 <Plugh> So the problem is in some PHP code you are using or that you wrote. I thought you were talking about a problem in OpenSim.
2016-06-14 15:56 <djphil> maybee i can write a little php code to show you the problem better ?
2016-06-14 15:57 <djphil> why ârse_ini_file can't read probrely a line with $ ?
2016-06-14 15:57 <djphil> maybee because $ is used to declare a new variable or i don't no .. ?
2016-06-14 15:58 <Plugh> A standard ini file doesn't support the use of ${...}. OpenSim uses the Nini parser to read the ini files as it handles this extension to an ini file.
2016-06-14 15:58 <djphil> the "Nini", what that ?
2016-06-14 16:00 <Plugh> djphil: http://nini.sourceforge.net/manual.php
2016-06-14 16:00 <djphil> ty plugh
2016-06-14 16:00 <Plugh> yw
2016-06-14 16:02 <djphil> php can read Nini proprely ?
2016-06-14 16:02 <djphil> i see C#, VB
2016-06-14 16:03 <djphil> my new objectif is create a php Nini reader :)
2016-06-14 16:03 <nebadon> diva_ bingo
2016-06-14 16:03 <nebadon> you nailed it
2016-06-14 16:03 <nebadon> OSgrid is on 0.9 robust and I logged right in
2016-06-14 16:03 <diva_> yey
2016-06-14 16:05 <nebadon> region restart also ok
2016-06-14 16:05 <Plugh> djphil: It isn't too hard. I wrote an INI reader in C# a while back. I didn't support the ${ } thing but I could easily add support for it.
2016-06-14 16:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4660: FAILURE in 7 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4660/
2016-06-14 16:06 <osmantis> Bug #7862:04 Avatar unable to cross var borders in 0.9.0.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7862 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-14 16:07 <nebadon> i am bringing up 2 neighbor vars
2016-06-14 16:07 <nebadon> to see if i can cross now
2016-06-14 16:07 <nebadon> just waiting for my inventory to download, i cleared cache
2016-06-14 16:08 <Plugh> nebadon: If that fixes the region crossing issue I will let the person at the meeting know this afternoon and have them test the change.
2016-06-14 16:08 <djphil> Plugh : This system will remove $ in ini files opensim order to use parse_ini_file correctly ?
2016-06-14 16:08 <nebadon> thanks for the pointer misterblue!
2016-06-14 16:09 <nebadon> yes I did update that mantis
2016-06-14 16:09 <nebadon> asked them to test again and let us know
2016-06-14 16:09 <Plugh> ah, ok. np. The person I would notify is the one who filed the report. I'll tell them to check the mantis if they haven't already seen the email from mantis.
2016-06-14 16:10 <nebadon> ok thanks
2016-06-14 16:10 <Plugh> yw
2016-06-14 16:10 <Plugh> That will be one of two of his major concerns dealt with.
2016-06-14 16:15 <nebadon> I zipped right over border
2016-06-14 16:15 <nebadon> between Sisyphus and Newton
2016-06-14 16:15 <nebadon> both are 768x768 vars
2016-06-14 16:16 <Plugh> They are in different instances?
2016-06-14 16:17 <nebadon> well its the same hardware but yes
2016-06-14 16:17 <nebadon> 2 different opensimulator instances
2016-06-14 16:18 <Plugh> ok. The report said that makes a difference.
2016-06-14 16:19 <Plugh> The other issues of concern re: 0.9 is the increased CPU usage being reported.
2016-06-14 16:19 <Plugh> bbl. Lunch is ready.
2016-06-14 16:19 <nebadon> I do not think i have seen that
2016-06-14 16:19 <nebadon> but if there was networking problems that could result in higher cpu
2016-06-14 16:20 <nebadon> first thing I noticed was my inventory seems to download a bit faster now that robust is on 0.9
2016-06-14 16:20 <Plugh> 50% increase in CPU when two regions are up against each other. You get a certain load with one region. Start a second instance with a region up against the first and there is a big jump in CPU load.
2016-06-14 16:21 <Plugh> I haven't checked that so I don't know if it reproducible.
2016-06-14 16:21 <Plugh> anyhow, gotta run for now. back in a while.
2016-06-14 16:23 <nebadon> ya I am seeing about 50% cpu for each of my neighbor vars
2016-06-14 16:23 <nebadon> 50% of a single core for each, with a single avatar logged in
2016-06-14 16:23 <nebadon> let me see what it is when i log out
2016-06-14 16:25 <nebadon> hmm ya this is not good for sure
2016-06-14 16:26 <nebadon> im seeing it bounce between 50-100% cpu with no avatars in these 2 neigboring var regions
2016-06-14 16:26 <nebadon> diva_ take note of that, this could be a serious problem for Encitra grid
2016-06-14 16:27 <osmantis> Bug #7926:04 parse_ini_file no longer works with $ from Const System 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7926 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-06-14 16:29 <diva_> yeah we'll need to investigate. someone please file a mantis and add it here: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/0.9_Bug_List
2016-06-14 16:32 <diva_> fyi I"m going to be mostly unavailable for the next couple of days. I'll be back Thursday.
2016-06-14 16:54 <Plugh> nebadon: The comment about CPU load is that it goes down quite a bit when there is no neighbouring region.
2016-06-14 16:54 <Plugh> nebadon: I don't know if you could test that and see if you notice a change.
2016-06-14 17:00 <Plugh> diva_: I'll ask Gavin to file the mantis as he is the one who has reported the issue, IIRC.
2016-06-14 17:04 <Plugh> I wonder if the HTTP server change would also have any impact on the reports of failures in HG TPs.
2016-06-14 17:14 <Plugh> The other increase in CPU load reported re: 0.9 is 10% to 15% higher CPU load with BulletSim physics.
2016-06-14 17:16 <nebadon> yes I can say that is true as well
2016-06-14 17:17 <nebadon> Sisyphus is bulletsim and Newton is UBode and ubode cpu is about 10% less
2016-06-14 17:17 <nebadon> they both have the same exact oar loaded into them
2016-06-14 17:17 <Plugh> If Robert is at todays meeting I'll get him to add that to his todo list.
2016-06-14 17:18 <Plugh> djphil: I'm going to close 7926 as "no change required". The issue is not an Open Simulator issue.
2016-06-14 18:04 <Plugh> grr... I login to osgrid and try to TP and the TP fails. 
2016-06-14 18:39 <Plugh> Gavin reported at the osgrid meeting that he has tested the change re: region crossing and found the recent change has fixed the problem.
2016-06-14 18:53 <osmantis> Bug #7862:04 Avatar unable to cross var borders in 0.9.0.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7862 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-14 19:04 <Priestov> Good afternoon. A more stable version of 0.9.0 works than 0.8.2.1?
2016-06-14 19:06 <Priestov> im used 0.8.1, after upgrate to 0.8.2.1. But now I have problems with the intersection regions. Walking does not go, and do not fly through the air - is banned. Only teleporters.
2016-06-14 19:08 <Priestov> sorry for my english
2016-06-14 19:23 <Plugh> Priestov, update the code. A change was made earlier today.
2016-06-14 19:31 <nebadon> just got back Plugh, you had trouble teleporting?
2016-06-14 19:32 <nebadon> good news though that they also had no trouble with border crossing with vars now
2016-06-14 19:32 <nebadon> danbanner will be happy
2016-06-14 19:46 <Plugh> yea. it was odd. I just logged in and was at someones test region. I tried to TP to WP but it failed and said previous teleport failed when it was my first attempt. I just relogged to home.
2016-06-14 19:47 <Plugh> I have WP set as my home location.
2016-06-14 19:47 <Plugh> I'm going out for a walk. bbl.
2016-06-14 20:00 <osmantis> Bug #7926:04 parse_ini_file no longer works with $ from Const System 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7926 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-14 20:00 <osmantis> Bug #7926:04 parse_ini_file no longer works with $ from Const System 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7926 ): has been CLOSED
2016-06-14 22:47 -!- IgorVorotiloff(~GuyCharle@unaffiliated/igorvorotiloff) has left #opensim-dev
2016-06-14 23:27 <osmantis> Bug #7405:04 Unable to HGTP home to a self-hosted region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7405 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-14 23:30 <osmantis> Bug #7405:04 Unable to HGTP home to a self-hosted region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7405 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-15 00:12 <Mandarinka_T> Hello :) i've got a question: what is the difference between string AgentCircuitData.IPAddress and string TravelingAgentInfo.ClientIPAddress ?
2016-06-15 00:12 <Melanie_> None
2016-06-15 00:12 <Melanie_> it's both the IP address of the client
2016-06-15 00:12 <Melanie_> you really, really need to drop this
2016-06-15 00:13 <Melanie_> it's been gone over by a lot of great minds years ago
2016-06-15 00:13 <Mandarinka_T> i see :) just reading about it in documentation, 
2016-06-15 00:13 <Melanie_> the reason you can NOT change the viewer IP address between sims, between grids, is that the viewer address is part of the payload ata in the LL messages
2016-06-15 00:13 <Melanie_> data*
2016-06-15 00:14 <Melanie_> because the IP is payload, a sim can't change it
2016-06-15 00:14 <Melanie_> the protocol would break
2016-06-15 00:14 <Mandarinka_T> so UserAgentService can't know the real ip address ?
2016-06-15 00:14 <Melanie_> there is NO way that using local addresses can work
2016-06-15 00:14 <Melanie_> just do us all a favor and drop this
2016-06-15 00:14 <Melanie_> fight a battle you can win
2016-06-15 00:15 <Melanie_> this one has been fought before and lost
2016-06-15 00:15 <Melanie_> and unless the protocol is redone by LL
2016-06-15 00:15 <Melanie_> it will be lost each time it's waged
2016-06-15 00:18 <Mandarinka_T> ok :) just , maybe i wrongly read documentatuion in the code, but soemtimes it gives hope, or maybe i do not udenrstand this english properly
2016-06-15 00:18 <Melanie_> there is no way it can work
2016-06-15 00:18 <Melanie_> between login and logout, the iip address of the viewer can't be changed
2016-06-15 00:19 <Melanie_> so, if you log into a sim on the local address
2016-06-15 00:19 <Mandarinka_T> yes yes i know it cant be changed i do not say it
2016-06-15 00:19 <Melanie_> then you will not be able to leave
2016-06-15 00:19 <Melanie_> because the sim you're in will tell the next sim to expect a local address
2016-06-15 00:19 <Mandarinka_T> someone wrote that , in the code MElanie that :
2016-06-15 00:19 <Melanie_> but it'll see a remote address
2016-06-15 00:19 <Mandarinka_T> Very important! Override whatever this agent comes with.  UserAgentService always sets the IP for every new agent   with the original IP address.
2016-06-15 00:19 <Melanie_> yet the packet payload will have a local one
2016-06-15 00:19 <Melanie_> boom
2016-06-15 00:20 <Mandarinka_T> so for me that means:  no one can cheat or i am wrong ?
2016-06-15 00:20 <Melanie_> diva's check makes sure no one can cheat
2016-06-15 00:20 <Melanie_> but the inherent protocol restrictions make it impossible to use local addresses
2016-06-15 00:21 <Melanie_> now, seriously
2016-06-15 00:21 <Melanie_> the total time this discussion has cost everyone involved in it, in financial terms, excceeds the cost of a nat loopback capable router :(
2016-06-15 00:21 <Melanie_> so just buy one
2016-06-15 00:21 <Melanie_> and stop flogging the shadow of the stain in the place where a dead horse used to lie
2016-06-15 00:23 <Mandarinka_T> ok seriously i leave it then, let's deal with other
2016-06-15 00:23 <Melanie_> great
2016-06-15 00:24 <notskittles> @LiruCookies 
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2016-06-15 01:33 <osmantis> Bug #7926:04 parse_ini_file no longer works with $ from Const System 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7926 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-15 02:05 <Plugh> "flogging the shadow of the stain in the place where a dead horse used to lie"?  Nice one. :)
2016-06-15 02:05 <nebadon> lol
2016-06-15 05:49 <osmantis> Bug #7924:04 Sun position differs from SL sun position 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7924 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-15 08:22 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-15 09:28 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-15 16:22 <osmantis> Bug #7924:04 Sun position differs from SL sun position 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7924 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-15 17:21 <osmantis> Bug #7924:04 Sun position differs from SL sun position 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7924 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-15 18:32 <osmantis> Bug #7915:04 Objects are not set to the group, when they are rezzed or created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7915 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-15 18:34 <osmantis> Bug #7915:04 Objects are not set to the group, when they are rezzed or created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7915 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-06-15 23:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #4661 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4659 1 day 20 hr ago)
2016-06-16 00:02 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-06-16 00:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4661: FIXED in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4661/
2016-06-16 00:02 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: "reverting" the keep alive changes brought in from avination, to check if that's what's making osgrid fail. This is not really reverting, it's more manually resetting some places (not all) where keep alive is set.
2016-06-16 00:02 <osjenkins> * melanie: Make the UserManagementModule inheritable
2016-06-16 00:02 <osjenkins> * melanie: Also make the HGUserManagementModule more amenable to subclassing.
2016-06-16 02:35 <osmantis> Bug #7872:04 CHANGED_OWNER is not triggered on rez after changing object's ownership 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7872 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-06-16 03:50 <osmantis> Bug #7872:04 CHANGED_OWNER is not triggered on rez after changing object's ownership 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7872 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-06-16 10:07 <osmantis> Bug #7927:04 Sub-second timers are raised to next tenth of second 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7927 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-06-16 12:50 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-16 12:52 <osmantis> Bug #7752:04 Teleports out of var regions with a lot of prims/textures often fails with viewer timeout and viewer crash. Viewer problem??? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7752 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-16 12:53 <osmantis> Bug #7877:04 Cannot Hypergrid teleport from OSGrid running 0.9 to test grid with viewer on slower internet. Normal TP sometimes fail too. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7877 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-16 12:53 <osmantis> Bug #7877:04 Cannot Hypergrid teleport from OSGrid running 0.9 to test grid with viewer on slower internet. Normal TP sometimes fail too. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7877 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-06-16 12:54 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-06-16 22:20 <osmantis> Bug #7405:04 Unable to HGTP home to a self-hosted region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7405 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-16 22:48 <osmantis> Bug #7861:04 llEdgeOfWorld fails most of the time in a 1x1 region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7861 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-06-16 23:46 <osmantis> Bug #7910:04 Setting PRIM_FLEXIBLE with llSetPrimitiveParams corrupts PRIM_TYPE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7910 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-17 16:47 <osmantis> Bug #7872:04 CHANGED_OWNER is not triggered on rez after changing object's ownership 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7872 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-17 16:58 <osmantis> Bug #7872:04 CHANGED_OWNER is not triggered on rez after changing object's ownership 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7872 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-17 17:04 <osmantis> Bug #7872:04 CHANGED_OWNER is not triggered on rez after changing object's ownership 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7872 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-17 17:23 <djphil> ping nebadon
2016-06-17 17:24 <djphil> Hi, do you know if any OpenSim Viewer is compatible with a Leap Motion System ?
2016-06-17 17:26 <nebadon> CtrlAltStudio maybe?
2016-06-17 17:26 <djphil> Yeah maybee ... but don't sure
2016-06-17 17:27 <djphil> I See SL have a Dev viewer LM compatible
2016-06-17 17:27 <nebadon> yea I would be surprised if there is any level of official support for that device
2016-06-17 17:27 <djphil> simon_linden-viewer-rabbit
2016-06-17 17:27 <nebadon> at best you could get it moving the avatar like a joystick or keyboard does
2016-06-17 17:28 <nebadon> you wont get any level of hand movement simulation though
2016-06-17 17:28 <djphil> https://bitbucket.org/simon_linden/viewer-rabbit
2016-06-17 17:28 <nebadon> last update was 2012
2016-06-17 17:28 <nebadon> soooo ya
2016-06-17 17:28 <nebadon> good luck with that :)
2016-06-17 17:28 <djphil> the lastr update of Rabbit is from 2013
2016-06-17 17:28 <djphil> lol
2016-06-17 17:29 <nebadon> its probably just not worth the effort
2016-06-17 17:29 <nebadon> that device isnt that great
2016-06-17 17:30 <nebadon> and getting it to actually animate the avatar would be super difficult
2016-06-17 17:30 <djphil> sure
2016-06-17 17:30 <djphil> i found that about opensim LM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huDFQ_pnSe8
2016-06-17 17:30 <nebadon> maybe some kind of joystick emulation could be possible with gestures
2016-06-17 17:30 <djphil> Only one video demo
2016-06-17 17:30 <nebadon> still i suspect it would be frustrating at best
2016-06-17 17:31 <nebadon> thats different opensim :)
2016-06-17 17:31 <djphil> ^^
2016-06-17 17:31 <nebadon> thats the medical opensim 
2016-06-17 17:31 <djphil> Yes, even if there is, it seems very limited
2016-06-17 17:32 <nebadon> huh looks like that original opensim website is gone
2016-06-17 17:32 <nebadon> it was some medical software
2016-06-17 17:32 <nebadon> for simulator bone and muscle
2016-06-17 17:32 <djphil> isn't this one ? http://opensim.stanford.edu/
2016-06-17 17:32 <nebadon> yea
2016-06-17 17:32 <djphil> :)
2016-06-17 17:32 <nebadon> it used to be on opensim.com
2016-06-17 17:32 <nebadon> or opensim.org
2016-06-17 17:33 <djphil> In SL demo video i see only LM avatar movments (fly, walk, jump ...), that all
2016-06-17 17:34 <djphil> Not yet possible to manipulate objects with hands
2016-06-17 17:34 <nebadon> yea
2016-06-17 17:34 <nebadon> thas probably the best it would ever be
2016-06-17 17:34 <djphil> Big frustration :p
2016-06-17 17:34 <nebadon> without some major refactoring
2016-06-17 17:34 <nebadon> ie: Sansar
2016-06-17 17:34 <djphil> yeah :s
2016-06-17 17:35 <djphil> animate the entire body would be wonderful
2016-06-17 17:35 <nebadon> yea, at one point someone was using Microsoft Kinect to create bvh
2016-06-17 17:36 <nebadon> but thats hardly the same
2016-06-17 17:36 <djphil> for 100% immersive experience
2016-06-17 17:36 <nebadon> in SL you could probably go as far as having it detect gestures
2016-06-17 17:36 <nebadon> and play an according similar animation
2016-06-17 17:36 <djphil> Yep, Kinet able to create nicely animation
2016-06-17 17:36 <nebadon> but even that would be kind of wierd
2016-06-17 17:36 <nebadon> you couldnt process it fast enough to make it convincing
2016-06-17 17:37 <nebadon> there would ultimately be a delay im sure
2016-06-17 17:37 <djphil> yeah for sure
2016-06-17 17:56 <osmantis> Bug #7872:04 CHANGED_OWNER is not triggered on rez after changing object's ownership 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7872 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-17 18:41 <osmantis> Bug #7872:04 CHANGED_OWNER is not triggered on rez after changing object's ownership 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7872 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-17 18:43 <osmantis> Bug #7872:04 CHANGED_OWNER is not triggered on rez after changing object's ownership 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7872 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-17 18:48 <osmantis> Bug #7910:04 Setting PRIM_FLEXIBLE with llSetPrimitiveParams corrupts PRIM_TYPE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7910 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-17 18:58 <osmantis> Bug #7910:04 Setting PRIM_FLEXIBLE with llSetPrimitiveParams corrupts PRIM_TYPE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7910 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-17 19:18 <osmantis> Bug #7896:04 PRIM_TYPE reports incorrectly when flexi-prim is enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7896 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-17 19:19 <osmantis> Bug #7896:04 PRIM_TYPE reports incorrectly when flexi-prim is enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7896 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-17 19:31 <Ken_Savage> fyi we were having terrible issues driving cars and eventually even walking at times on a large var with the latest dev master
2016-06-17 19:31 <Ken_Savage> I restarted 3 times with same results.
2016-06-17 19:32 <Ken_Savage> Ended up reverting to 332-gcdfbf78 and now it seems back to normal.
2016-06-17 19:32 <Ken_Savage> Have no idea what was going on
2016-06-17 19:32 <osmantis> Bug #7896:04 PRIM_TYPE reports incorrectly when flexi-prim is enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7896 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-17 19:37 <Ken_Savage> Was using latest dev master on sim and on robust on a test grid
2016-06-17 19:42 <osmantis> Bug #7848:04 Incorrect datetime value for column 'TMStamp' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7848 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-17 19:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #4662 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-06-17 19:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4662: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4662/
2016-06-17 19:54 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7848: something wrong with a data field in Groups V2
2016-06-17 20:19 <osmantis> Bug #7910:04 Setting PRIM_FLEXIBLE with llSetPrimitiveParams corrupts PRIM_TYPE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7910 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-17 20:28 <osmantis> Bug #7910:04 Setting PRIM_FLEXIBLE with llSetPrimitiveParams corrupts PRIM_TYPE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7910 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-17 20:31 <osmantis> Bug #7910:04 Setting PRIM_FLEXIBLE with llSetPrimitiveParams corrupts PRIM_TYPE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7910 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-17 21:08 <osmantis> Bug #7848:04 Incorrect datetime value for column 'TMStamp' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7848 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-17 21:32 <osmantis> Bug #7848:04 Incorrect datetime value for column 'TMStamp' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7848 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-06-17 21:37 <osmantis> Bug #7848:04 Incorrect datetime value for column 'TMStamp' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7848 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2016-06-17 22:50 <osmantis> Bug #7928:04 command to show size of grid is not returning correct info 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7928 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2016-06-18 00:21 <osmantis> Bug #7928:04 command to show size of grid is not returning correct info 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7928 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-06-18 13:07 <osmantis> Bug #7896:04 PRIM_TYPE reports incorrectly when flexi-prim is enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7896 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-18 13:18 <Abitar> Hey, Im running into a problem on my grid, using v0.9,  Some the avatars skins are causing the siluator to get an upload of burned textexture about once a min. It uploads the 3 textures for the avatar over and over. It seams to be happening on FS and I think it due to higher detained skins, becuase if the avatar changes skin it stop spamming.  any sugestions? thanks :)
2016-06-18 13:27 <osmantis> Bug #7910:04 Setting PRIM_FLEXIBLE with llSetPrimitiveParams corrupts PRIM_TYPE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7910 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-18 14:37 <velus> Melanie_, are you about?
2016-06-18 15:09 <misterblue> Abitar: I've seen the same problem... that avatar seems to be in a continuous rebake... I'll file a Mantis on it with some log files
2016-06-18 15:43 <osmantis> Bug #7896:04 PRIM_TYPE reports incorrectly when flexi-prim is enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7896 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-06-18 19:49 <Mandarinka_T> Hello ) when I set logical value of certain boolean inside some public void, should I also use function SaveState, to make server remember how script should work after next rezzing of an object ? In other words: swtiching logical value of boolean in C# is persisted through rezzings without SaveState or with SaveState ?
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2016-06-19 00:06 <diva_> danbanner ping
2016-06-19 00:07 <danbanner> diva pong
2016-06-19 00:07 <diva_> hi
2016-06-19 00:07 <diva_> about http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7917
2016-06-19 00:07 <diva_> I'm confused about what should happen in normal case
2016-06-19 00:08 <diva_> I set up a varregion, cut a small parcel
2016-06-19 00:08 <diva_> the limit seems to be 156 prims -- at least that what the viewer shows
2016-06-19 00:08 <diva_> but when I rez objects, I can go way beyond that. Is that normal?
2016-06-19 00:08 <diva_> did I forget to set something?
2016-06-19 00:08 <danbanner> what i did was set the MaxPrims = 28000, object bonus at default 1.0
2016-06-19 00:09 <danbanner> the parcels had 676 prim limit which worked fine until i sold the parcels
2016-06-19 00:09 <danbanner> once sold the user could rez 100 prims but not 200
2016-06-19 00:10 <diva_> no, ut I'm not undertanding even before we get to that point
2016-06-19 00:10 <diva_> it seems that I can rez as many prims as I want
2016-06-19 00:10 <diva_> the limit is being ignored? (this is the owner of the parcel)
2016-06-19 00:10 <danbanner> did you enable the primlimits module?
2016-06-19 00:10 <diva_> yes
2016-06-19 00:10 <diva_> [Permissions]
2016-06-19 00:10 <diva_>   serverside_object_permissions = true
2016-06-19 00:10 <diva_>   allow_grid_gods = false
2016-06-19 00:10 <diva_>   permissionmodules = DefaultPermissionsModule,PrimLimitsModule
2016-06-19 00:10 <danbanner> correct
2016-06-19 00:11 <diva_> can yuo check if the limit is being enforced?
2016-06-19 00:11 <danbanner> so even after selling the parcel, even i couldnt rez my 600+ prim test object
2016-06-19 00:11 <diva_> when you are the owner
2016-06-19 00:12 <danbanner> i'll have to setup a test sim for this since this was on a region with builders now
2016-06-19 00:12 <danbanner> give me a bit
2016-06-19 00:12 <diva_> ok
2016-06-19 00:19 <danbanner> okay i tested
2016-06-19 00:20 <diva_> were you able to rez more than the limit?
2016-06-19 00:20 <danbanner> yes when i created the parcel it did seem to not honour the limits, not for me or my test alt
2016-06-19 00:20 <danbanner> however
2016-06-19 00:21 <danbanner> once i sold the parcel to my test alt neither avatar could rez more than 3 prims on the 58 prim parcel
2016-06-19 00:21 <diva_> ok, so there's something seriously broken 
2016-06-19 00:21 <danbanner> so the mantis is correct and also you have found another bug
2016-06-19 00:21 <diva_> did this work before?
2016-06-19 00:22 <danbanner> yes we used it at osg8b last year on 0.8.2 and we didnt have any issue
2016-06-19 00:22 <diva_> ok
2016-06-19 00:28 <diva_> danbanner what is MaxPrimsPerUser?
2016-06-19 00:28 <danbanner> where will that be?
2016-06-19 00:28 <diva_> It seems to be soething that comes in Regions.ini
2016-06-19 00:29 <danbanner> hmm
2016-06-19 00:29 <diva_> if this is not set, the limits don't seem to be checked at all
2016-06-19 00:29 <danbanner> ; MaxPrimsPerUser = -1
2016-06-19 00:29 <danbanner> ive never enabled that
2016-06-19 00:30 <danbanner> should i?
2016-06-19 00:30 <diva_> I"m very confused
2016-06-19 00:30 <diva_> I don't see any code for checking the max prims of a parcel
2016-06-19 00:30 <diva_> I only see for checking the max rprims of a region
2016-06-19 00:31 <danbanner> ive always used MaxPrims in the region ini to establish the total for the region and then used parcel size to control the amount allowed on a parcel by parcel basis
2016-06-19 00:31 <diva_> and for checking the max prims per user
2016-06-19 00:33 <danbanner> http://danbanner.onikenkon.com/screen/Image1466296393.png
2016-06-19 00:33 <danbanner> mebbe that message is useful
2016-06-19 00:34 <diva_> yeah
2016-06-19 00:34 <diva_> that's what it says when the region is too full
2016-06-19 00:35 <danbanner> i can rez outside of the parcel
2016-06-19 01:01 <diva_> this is very confusing. No where do I see checks on the parcel prim capacity.
2016-06-19 01:03 <diva_> I can't even find where that is stored
2016-06-19 01:14 <diva_> dabanner I cannot repro buying land
2016-06-19 01:14 <diva_> it looks like buying land requires something additional that I don't have
2016-06-19 01:15 <diva_> danbanner ^^
2016-06-19 01:15 <danbanner> you need to set economy
2016-06-19 01:15 <diva_> where?
2016-06-19 01:15 <danbanner> helperuri
2016-06-19 01:16 <diva_> set it to what?
2016-06-19 01:16 <danbanner> in the grid manager
2016-06-19 01:16 <diva_> what do I set it to?
2016-06-19 01:16 <danbanner> point it to the simulator address:port
2016-06-19 01:17 <danbanner> should just be a matter of adding the simulator url to the helperuri line in the viewer and relog
2016-06-19 01:19 <diva_> it doesn't work
2016-06-19 01:19 <danbanner> you edited the grid entry in the viewer for the one buying the land?
2016-06-19 01:20 <diva_> I made a refresh. I see the Helper URI now in grid manager, but it still doesn't work
2016-06-19 01:21 <danbanner> and the url is for the sim you are doing the sale in?
2016-06-19 01:21 <diva_> yes. this is standalone
2016-06-19 01:21 <diva_> localhost
2016-06-19 01:21 <danbanner> that should work
2016-06-19 01:22 <diva_> do I need to enable economy?
2016-06-19 01:22 <AliciaRaven2> to buy land doesnt the helper uri need to point to the .php file from the basic economy example?
2016-06-19 01:23 <diva_> anyway, I"m completely confised with all of this prim limit stuff. It shouldn't work in the first place.
2016-06-19 01:23 <diva_> the parcel limit is not being tested anywhere
2016-06-19 01:23 <danbanner> ya you could also setup landtool
2016-06-19 01:24 <diva_> what landtool
2016-06-19 01:24 <danbanner> https://github.com/justincc/opensimulator-helper
2016-06-19 01:24 <diva_> I don't do php
2016-06-19 01:24 <danbanner> we have a zip here http://download.osgrid.org/helper_tools_opensim.zip
2016-06-19 01:25 <diva_> why on earth do we have an important service in php
2016-06-19 01:25 <diva_> and not in c#
2016-06-19 01:25 <danbanner> but the generally known workaround for standalones is to set the helperuri to the simulator's tcp port
2016-06-19 01:25 <diva_> doens't work
2016-06-19 01:26 <danbanner> ai austin has mentioned the need for adding this to core if you look at opensim-dev mailing list
2016-06-19 01:26 <diva_> but anyway prims limit should not work at all. The only situation in which it works is when the parcel is the entire region
2016-06-19 01:27 <danbanner> hmm
2016-06-19 01:27 <danbanner> the module worked like a charm last year
2016-06-19 01:27 <diva_> and I don't see any significant changes in this code since 0.8.2
2016-06-19 01:27 <danbanner> ya i didnt see any difference in the module
2016-06-19 01:29 <danbanner> i think if it didnt work before there would have been alot of mantis about it 
2016-06-19 01:29 <diva_> hmm I found 1 difference
2016-06-19 01:32 <Plugh> Hm... I've always had helpuri point to a website so a PHP file could be accessed.
2016-06-19 01:32 <danbanner> ya thats how we do it too plugh
2016-06-19 01:33 <Plugh> I didn't know there is (supposed to be?) a way to point to back to OpenSim.
2016-06-19 01:34 <danbanner> diva is your land rating set higher than the buyers rating?
2016-06-19 01:35 <danbanner> Do you have SellEnabled = "true" in OpenSim.ini ?
2016-06-19 01:35 <diva_> I think so. It says it's enabled by default
2016-06-19 01:36 <diva_> ok this is driving me nuts
2016-06-19 01:36 <diva_> II'm going to check 082
2016-06-19 01:36 <danbanner> read this: http://opensimulator.org/pipermail/opensim-users/2013-January/011540.html
2016-06-19 01:37 <danbanner> has to be sold for $0 to a specific avatar 
2016-06-19 01:37 <diva_> yeah, I have that
2016-06-19 01:37 <danbanner> cant be sold for $0 to "anyone"
2016-06-19 01:37 <diva_> yep
2016-06-19 01:38 <diva_> but when I try to buy it gives me an error
2016-06-19 01:39 <danbanner> you double checked the grid manager entry?
2016-06-19 01:40 <danbanner> refresh might not have saved 
2016-06-19 01:42 <diva_> ok, the prim limit is definitely also not working in 082
2016-06-19 01:43 <diva_> I have a small parcel with limit 38, it already has 512 prims, and it lets me create more
2016-06-19 01:43 <diva_> oh wait
2016-06-19 01:44 <diva_> the module was not enabled, let me try again
2016-06-19 01:45 <diva_> ok same thing
2016-06-19 01:45 <diva_> I can still create more prims
2016-06-19 01:45 <diva_> in 082
2016-06-19 01:45 <diva_> so this was not working already
2016-06-19 01:46 <diva_> ok yea it didn't save
2016-06-19 01:46 <diva_> how to I see the grid manager entry?
2016-06-19 01:48 <danbanner> sec
2016-06-19 01:48 <danbanner> http://danbanner.onikenkon.com/screen/Image1466300910.png
2016-06-19 01:48 <diva_> ah, now it worled
2016-06-19 01:48 <diva_> worled
2016-06-19 01:48 <danbanner> :)
2016-06-19 01:48 <diva_> worked :)
2016-06-19 01:48 <diva_> the selling at least
2016-06-19 01:48 <diva_> so now let me see the prim limits here
2016-06-19 01:49 <diva_> oh man that info is borked
2016-06-19 01:59 <diva_> The "Region capacity" that shows in the viewer -- is that supposed to be per user?
2016-06-19 02:00 <diva_> danbanner ^^
2016-06-19 02:00 <Plugh> Region implies the entire region. Not per avatar.
2016-06-19 02:00 <danbanner> the region capacity would be for everyone combined
2016-06-19 02:00 <diva_> ok so that's borked
2016-06-19 02:03 <AliciaRaven2> All parcels belonging to the same owner (or group) in the same region share their land capacity.  You can view this represented as Region capacity in the About Land window. In this way, it is possible for the Parcel land impact number to be higher than the Parcel land capacity number.
2016-06-19 02:03 <AliciaRaven2> thats from sl website, i assume opensim should be the same
2016-06-19 02:03 <diva_> oh so it's per user?
2016-06-19 02:03 <nebadon> 
ACTION waves

2016-06-19 02:05 <nebadon> if you have like 3 sperate parcels on a region you own
2016-06-19 02:05 <nebadon> it should combine the counts of those parcels
2016-06-19 02:05 <diva_> so you never see the actual region capacity? Just your own capacity in the region?
2016-06-19 02:05 <nebadon> you should see both I think
2016-06-19 02:06 <diva_> where?
2016-06-19 02:06 <nebadon> in about land
2016-06-19 02:06 <nebadon> let me look been a while since i actually cared about that info
2016-06-19 02:06 <diva_> There's: Region capacity, Parcel land capacity and Parcel land impact
2016-06-19 02:06 <nebadon> ya land impact we do not care about I dont think
2016-06-19 02:06 <nebadon> we are not really privy to how LL calculates that info
2016-06-19 02:06 <diva_> land impact is showing the number of objects in the parcel
2016-06-19 02:07 <AliciaRaven2> it confused me a while back as i had assumed it was for the total region and wondered why the math was wrong, but yes it is the combined allowance for the user
2016-06-19 02:07 <nebadon> parcel land capacity should be the total of every parcel you own
2016-06-19 02:07 <danbanner> simulator primitive usage should show the whole region shouldnt it?
2016-06-19 02:07 <nebadon> and region capacity should be the max the entire region can handle
2016-06-19 02:07 <diva_> so what's parcel land capacity?
2016-06-19 02:07 <diva_> is that per user?
2016-06-19 02:07 <nebadon> its how much the parcel your standing in can hold
2016-06-19 02:07 <nebadon> its per owner
2016-06-19 02:07 <danbanner> thats the per user/group for owned land
2016-06-19 02:08 <diva_> that's not what Alicia wrote above
2016-06-19 02:08 <nebadon> so say you own 3 parcels it should combine the limit of those 3 parcels
2016-06-19 02:08 <nebadon> and show that number in all 3 parcels
2016-06-19 02:08 <diva_> "You can view this represented as Region capacity"
2016-06-19 02:08 <AliciaRaven2> https://community.secondlife.com/t5/tkb/articleprintpage/tkb-id/English_KB@tkb/article-id/15#Section_.6.2
2016-06-19 02:08 <danbanner> let me log in sl and look
2016-06-19 02:09 <nebadon> ya this is not something i use a lot
2016-06-19 02:09 <nebadon> ah yes ok im confusing things there are 3 actually
2016-06-19 02:10 <nebadon> so yea Simulator Primitive usage is : Prims on Parcel out of Total Allowed on Simulator
2016-06-19 02:10 <diva_> where is that?
2016-06-19 02:10 <diva_> Simulator Primitive usage?
2016-06-19 02:10 <nebadon> in about land Objects
2016-06-19 02:10 <nebadon> yes
2016-06-19 02:10 <diva_> I don't see it
2016-06-19 02:10 <nebadon> ah im in Replex let me log into singularity
2016-06-19 02:10 <nebadon> maybe its changed
2016-06-19 02:10 <nebadon> 1 sec
2016-06-19 02:10 <danbanner> alicia is correct
2016-06-19 02:11 <danbanner> it shows the total available per user/group
2016-06-19 02:11 <danbanner> in firestorm on mainland my parcel shows http://danbanner.onikenkon.com/screen/Image1466302301.png
2016-06-19 02:12 <nebadon> yea maybe im just confused since im used to always being grid god, region owner
2016-06-19 02:12 <nebadon> hah
2016-06-19 02:13 <nebadon> those descriptions in about land are terrible
2016-06-19 02:13 <danbanner> i agree
2016-06-19 02:13 <nebadon> if thats true
2016-06-19 02:14 <nebadon> so you are saying the first line in About Land > Objects is for parcels
2016-06-19 02:14 <nebadon> even though it says Simulator?
2016-06-19 02:14 <danbanner> up
2016-06-19 02:14 <nebadon> wtf
2016-06-19 02:14 <danbanner> yup
2016-06-19 02:14 <nebadon> thats stupid
2016-06-19 02:14 <danbanner> it is confusing
2016-06-19 02:14 <nebadon> ya I guess im just used to always being owner 
2016-06-19 02:14 <diva_> Firestorm says "Region capacity"
2016-06-19 02:15 <diva_> I don't see the word "simulator"
2016-06-19 02:15 <nebadon> Singularity says Simulator
2016-06-19 02:15 <diva_> yup I see that
2016-06-19 02:15 <nebadon> even more fun when viewers are not consistent
2016-06-19 02:15 <nebadon> technically they both are wrong lol
2016-06-19 02:18 <Plugh> what fun. :P
2016-06-19 02:18 <Plugh> hey, nebadon
2016-06-19 02:19 <nebadon> hello
2016-06-19 02:21 <nebadon> hmm
2016-06-19 02:22 <nebadon> when i log into Wright Plaza and look at about land it tells me 5209 out of 65000
2016-06-19 02:22 <nebadon> but i dont own all the parcels
2016-06-19 02:22 <nebadon> i only own just a tiny parcel
2016-06-19 02:22 <nebadon> is that because im grid god?
2016-06-19 02:22 <diva_> I'm trying to understand what those numbers mean
2016-06-19 02:23 <diva_> one thing's for sure: prim limits are not being properly enforced
2016-06-19 02:23 <nebadon> ok i see if im standing in my parcel it actually shows the smaller numbers of 727 out of 1523
2016-06-19 02:24 <nebadon> but if i stand in the landing zone area it seems to show me the entire regions total
2016-06-19 02:24 <nebadon> so odd
2016-06-19 02:24 <diva_> yeah. it's confusing as hell
2016-06-19 02:24 <diva_> I think it means "the owner of this parcel has the following capacity in this region"
2016-06-19 02:24 <danbanner> correct
2016-06-19 02:24 <nebadon> yea it must it must though if you are estate owner and parcel owner
2016-06-19 02:25 <nebadon> show you the Region limit
2016-06-19 02:25 <nebadon> not the parcel limit
2016-06-19 02:25 <nebadon> man this is so confusing
2016-06-19 02:25 <nebadon> no wonder im confused lol
2016-06-19 02:26 <diva_> not only it's confusing but it's also wrong
2016-06-19 02:26 <Plugh> :)
2016-06-19 02:26 <Plugh> I bet its wrong because it is confusing.
2016-06-19 02:26 <danbanner> true plugh
2016-06-19 02:27 <nebadon> lol
2016-06-19 02:27 <diva_> yep
2016-06-19 02:28 <danbanner> and maybe never noticed because most people run opensim regions as 1 parcel
2016-06-19 02:28 <Plugh> I think it was Melanie that told me that an avatars parcel limit is based on the total of the capacity for all parcels they own in a region.
2016-06-19 02:28 <nebadon> well what is wierd dan
2016-06-19 02:28 <nebadon> go to Wright Plaza and stand in landing zone
2016-06-19 02:28 <danbanner> true
2016-06-19 02:28 <nebadon> it shows the Region limit
2016-06-19 02:28 <nebadon> not the parcel limit
2016-06-19 02:28 <nebadon> but if I go to the oni kenkon store it shows the parcel limit
2016-06-19 02:29 <nebadon> i can only assume its becasue Plaza Builder owns the estate and the parcel
2016-06-19 02:29 <nebadon> at the landing zone
2016-06-19 02:29 <Plugh> In other words, you calculate how many prims a parcel can hold based on its area in relation to the area of the region and the prim limit for the region. If an avatar owns more than one parcel in a region the parcel limit show is the total of the prim counts for each parcel owned in that region.
2016-06-19 02:29 <Plugh> s/show/shown/
2016-06-19 02:31 <Plugh> If you owned two parcels that could separately hold 100 prims you would see a limit of 200. You could leave one parcel empty and put 200 prims in the other.
2016-06-19 02:32 <nebadon> ya that is definitely correct Plugh
2016-06-19 02:33 <Plugh> I hadn't realized it worked that way until I was given that information.
2016-06-19 02:34 <AliciaRaven2> i found out in sl when i wondered what "prim land" was, people buy scraps of land to get the prim usage for their main parcel
2016-06-19 02:34 <nebadon> yea we used to do that in SL mainland
2016-06-19 02:34 <nebadon> to run vendor servers
2016-06-19 02:35 <nebadon> you would buy little tiny scraps of land here and there and pile all your servers into 1 parcel
2016-06-19 02:35 <nebadon> so you didnt have to kill your own simulators lol
2016-06-19 04:59 <diva_> I think I understand better what's going on, I just don't know if this is intentional
2016-06-19 05:00 <diva_> The PrimsLimits module is not checkign the capacity of the parcel; it's checking the capacity of all the parcels of the same user on that region
2016-06-19 05:00 <diva_> so if a parcel has capacity 20 and the user has another parcel with capacity 30, then the first parcel can have 50 prims if the second has zero
2016-06-19 05:01 <diva_> nebadon, danbanner ^^^
2016-06-19 05:01 <diva_> is this the right thing?
2016-06-19 05:02 <AliciaRaven2> diva_ that is how it should work
2016-06-19 05:02 <danbanner> yes diva thats how it should work
2016-06-19 05:02 <diva_> ok!
2016-06-19 05:03 <diva_> then I fixed the problem
2016-06-19 05:08 <osmantis> Bug #7917:04 PrimLimitsModule does not work correctly after selling land 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7917 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-19 05:12 <danbanner> thanks diva, i will test in the morning
2016-06-19 05:13 <diva_> ok
2016-06-19 05:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #4663 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-06-19 05:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4663: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4663/
2016-06-19 05:20 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Guard against occurring null ref.
2016-06-19 05:20 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7917: regression on prim limits module.
2016-06-19 08:12 <osmantis> Bug #7861:04 llEdgeOfWorld fails most of the time in a 1x1 region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7861 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-19 11:35 <osmantis> Bug #7917:04 PrimLimitsModule does not work correctly after selling land 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7917 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-19 12:01 <osmantis> Bug #7917:04 PrimLimitsModule does not work correctly after selling land 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7917 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-19 12:18 <osmantis> Bug #7917:04 PrimLimitsModule does not work correctly after selling land 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7917 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-19 13:36 <osmantis> Bug #7917:04 PrimLimitsModule does not work correctly after selling land 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7917 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-19 13:56 <osmantis> Bug #7917:04 PrimLimitsModule does not work correctly after selling land 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7917 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-19 14:05 <osmantis> Bug #7917:04 PrimLimitsModule does not work correctly after selling land 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7917 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-19 14:22 <osmantis> Bug #7917:04 PrimLimitsModule does not work correctly after selling land 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7917 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-19 15:51 <diva_> danbanner AliciaRaven2 -- can we agree that the "Simulator primitive usage" should show the number of sim-wide existing prims of the parcel's owner out of max sim-wide prims of the parcel's owner?
2016-06-19 16:23 <osmantis> Bug #7917:04 PrimLimitsModule does not work correctly after selling land 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7917 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-19 17:13 <osmantis> Bug #7917:04 PrimLimitsModule does not work correctly after selling land 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7917 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-19 17:24 <osmantis> Bug #7917:04 PrimLimitsModule does not work correctly after selling land 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7917 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-19 17:24 <osmantis> Bug #7917:04 PrimLimitsModule does not work correctly after selling land 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7917 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-19 17:24 <danbanner> ping diva_
2016-06-19 17:26 <danbanner> i think you got it :) I did buy/sell to try and see what mandrinka mentioned but i did not notice any issue with count update
2016-06-19 17:31 <osmantis> Bug #7861:04 llEdgeOfWorld fails most of the time in a 1x1 region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7861 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-19 17:37 <osmantis> Bug #7917:04 PrimLimitsModule does not work correctly after selling land 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7917 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-19 19:07 <Melanie_> diva_: Per parcel prim limits are in PrimLimitsModle
2016-06-19 19:07 <Melanie_> they should work fine or at least they do in avination so all needed code is there
2016-06-19 19:07 <Melanie_> the stats are to be read as follows
2016-06-19 19:08 <Melanie_> object capacity of the parcel is the prims (LI) _this_ parcel will hold
2016-06-19 19:08 <Melanie_> available/used prims (x of y) represent all prims on all parcels in the region that the parcel owner also owns
2016-06-19 19:08 <Melanie_> you can own 10 parcels and use all these 10 parcels' prims on just a single one
2016-06-19 19:09 <Melanie_> leaving the ohers to lay fallow
2016-06-19 19:09 <Melanie_> in order to get mpre build density
2016-06-19 19:09 <Melanie_> in SL this was very common on the mainland before megaprims
2016-06-19 19:09 <Melanie_> you'd find 1/4 of a region densely built up
2016-06-19 19:09 <Melanie_> the rest empty and often the parcel(s) there were named "Prim Land"
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2016-06-19 19:45 <osmantis> Bug #7917:04 PrimLimitsModule does not work correctly after selling land 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7917 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-19 20:27 <diva__> so danbanner, that bug is fixed?
2016-06-19 20:29 <danbanner> yes it seems fine to me now
2016-06-19 20:29 <danbanner> thank diva
2016-06-19 20:29 <danbanner> thanks*
2016-06-19 20:29 <diva__> ok, I'll mark it resolved
2016-06-19 20:29 <osmantis> Bug #7917:04 PrimLimitsModule does not work correctly after selling land 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7917 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-06-19 20:29 <danbanner> i added another regression to the list
2016-06-19 20:30 <danbanner> the grid size one
2016-06-19 20:30 <diva__> I just saw that
2016-06-19 20:30 <diva__> where do you type that command?
2016-06-19 20:30 <diva__> sim or robust?
2016-06-19 20:31 <danbanner> robust
2016-06-19 20:31 <danbanner> calculates all the land area for reg regions and vars
2016-06-19 20:31 <danbanner> i included a link to justin's original commit
2016-06-19 20:32 <diva__> it's amazing the amount of stuff I don't know exists in opensim...
2016-06-19 20:35 <danbanner> lol
2016-06-19 20:57 <osmantis> Bug #7928:04 command to show size of grid is not returning correct info 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7928 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-19 21:12 <osmantis> Bug #7928:04 command to show size of grid is not returning correct info 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7928 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-06-19 21:42 <osmantis> Bug #7861:04 llEdgeOfWorld fails most of the time in a 1x1 region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7861 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-06-19 21:58 <diva_> Melanie_ the code that came from avn is sending gentGroupUpdates via UDP. In 082 we had it go via the EQ. What's the deal?
2016-06-19 21:59 <diva_> why back to UDP?
2016-06-19 22:17 <osmantis> Bug #7915:04 Objects are not set to the group, when they are rezzed or created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7915 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-19 22:20 <osmantis> Bug #7920:04 Joined group does not display in viewer until after a relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7920 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-19 22:21 <osmantis> Bug #7920:04 Joined group does not display in viewer until after a relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7920 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007915.
2016-06-19 22:21 <osmantis> Bug #7915:04 Objects are not set to the group, when they are rezzed or created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7915 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007920.
2016-06-19 22:32 <Melanie_> diva_: possibly a merge regression. if that's in the groups module, it would most certainly be a regression, avination has itt's ow proprietary groups module
2016-06-19 22:34 <diva_> ok
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2016-06-19 23:01 <danbanner> so im good to test this?
2016-06-19 23:11 <diva_> yes please
2016-06-19 23:31 <danbanner> oh damn
2016-06-19 23:31 <danbanner> not working in d51fe01
2016-06-19 23:32 <diva_> what's not working?
2016-06-19 23:32 <danbanner> group invite is recieved and the user is added but the group is not displayed in groups floater
2016-06-19 23:33 <diva_> what do you mean?
2016-06-19 23:33 <diva_> picture?
2016-06-19 23:33 <danbanner> http://danbanner.onikenkon.com/screen/Image1466379212.png
2016-06-19 23:34 <danbanner> would one of the folling commits address that?
2016-06-19 23:34 <diva_> no, not really
2016-06-19 23:34 <danbanner> i tested and you push two more commits
2016-06-19 23:34 <diva_> let me try to repro
2016-06-19 23:35 <danbanner> are you using external group module?
2016-06-19 23:35 <danbanner> if i search and join a group it shows up
2016-06-19 23:35 <diva_> no I'm using V2
2016-06-19 23:35 <danbanner> ive only seen this when ive been offered the group
2016-06-19 23:35 <diva_> tell me exactly what I should do to repro
2016-06-19 23:36 <danbanner> avatar1 sends avatar2 a group invite
2016-06-19 23:36 <danbanner> avatar2 accepts
2016-06-19 23:36 <danbanner> avatar2 cannot find the group in their list until they relog
2016-06-19 23:37 <diva_> got it
2016-06-19 23:40 <diva_> the same is true for the avatar that sent the invite -- it doesn't see the new person in the group
2016-06-19 23:41 <danbanner> avatar1 can see the group in avatar2's profile
2016-06-19 23:41 <diva_> but not in the list of members
2016-06-19 23:41 <danbanner> its in the list of members
2016-06-19 23:41 <diva_> not in my test
2016-06-19 23:41 <danbanner> and avatar2 can see the group in their own profile
2016-06-19 23:41 <diva_> not before relog
2016-06-19 23:41 <danbanner> let me look
2016-06-19 23:43 <danbanner> http://danbanner.onikenkon.com/screen/Image1466379794.png
2016-06-19 23:43 <diva_> if you go on Info
2016-06-19 23:44 <danbanner> notice the group profile still shows Join
2016-06-19 23:44 <danbanner> even though lemon snap is in the list below that
2016-06-19 23:45 <danbanner> and the group panel on the left does not show the group
2016-06-19 23:45 <danbanner> even though its listed in their profile in the center
2016-06-19 23:46 <danbanner> the missing group in the group panel is "teravus plaza homesteads"
2016-06-19 23:46 <diva_> yeah, stuff is missing
2016-06-19 23:46 <danbanner> so no way to bring up info 
2016-06-19 23:46 <Melanie_> maybe the UDP is required
2016-06-19 23:46 <diva_> no
2016-06-19 23:46 <diva_> this has nothing to do with UDP
2016-06-19 23:46 <Melanie_> there are some stuff that can't be sent via EQ successfully
2016-06-19 23:46 <diva_> the code that came from avn removed a few important things
2016-06-19 23:47 <Melanie_> hmmm
2016-06-19 23:47 <Melanie_> in what filess?
2016-06-19 23:47 <diva_> I dont know why
2016-06-19 23:47 <diva_> the two GroupsModules
2016-06-19 23:47 <danbanner> i tested both 0.8.2 and 0.9.0 and this was working fine in 0.8.2
2016-06-19 23:47 <Melanie_> disregard the AVN changes to the groups modules
2016-06-19 23:47 <Melanie_> revert the groups modules to 0.8.2's version entirely
2016-06-19 23:48 <danbanner> this is external group we're using
2016-06-19 23:48 <Melanie_> we never merged those changes from 0.8 because we don't use either xmrpcgroups or groupsv2
2016-06-19 23:48 <Melanie_> so those changes were dropped in our tree
2016-06-19 23:48 <danbanner> ahh
2016-06-19 23:48 <diva_> well Ubit made a lot of changes to these files
2016-06-19 23:48 <diva_> I really don't know why
2016-06-19 23:49 <Melanie_> only to make them compile in our tree
2016-06-19 23:49 <Melanie_> not to make them work
2016-06-19 23:49 <diva_> nop
2016-06-19 23:49 <diva_> things compiled, and then he made a lot of changes
2016-06-19 23:49 <Melanie_> maybe he made improvements in his core role
2016-06-19 23:49 <Melanie_> but never for avn
2016-06-19 23:49 <Melanie_> we naver paid him for doing any work on core groups
2016-06-19 23:49 <Melanie_> so if he did it was on his time and dime
2016-06-19 23:51 <diva_> oh well, fixing it manually now
2016-06-19 23:53 <osmantis> Bug #7915:04 Objects are not set to the group, when they are rezzed or created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7915 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-20 00:16 <osmantis> Bug #7929:04 Deeding full perm object to group makes it not available for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7929 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-06-20 00:28 <osmantis> Bug #7929:04 Deeding full perm object to group makes it not available for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7929 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-20 00:35 <H-H-H> yay nice to see groups getting sorted ty :)
2016-06-20 00:35 <osmantis> Bug #7920:04 Joined group does not display in viewer until after a relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7920 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-20 00:39 <diva_> danbanner test that
2016-06-20 00:44 <danbanner> one moment
2016-06-20 00:47 <danbanner> that fixed it, thanks diva
2016-06-20 00:48 <diva_> great
2016-06-20 01:32 <osmantis> Bug #7920:04 Joined group does not display in viewer until after a relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7920 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-06-20 03:11 <osmantis> Bug #7929:04 Deeding full perm object to group makes it not available for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7929 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-20 03:23 <diva_> it looks like lkalif has finally left the building... :-(
2016-06-20 03:41 <osmantis> Bug #7898:04 Correction for fix - Estate Manager can set parcels for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7898 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-20 03:43 <osmantis> Bug #7929:04 Deeding full perm object to group makes it not available for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7929 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-20 03:55 <osmantis> Bug #7929:04 Deeding full perm object to group makes it not available for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7929 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-20 04:10 <osmantis> Bug #7929:04 Deeding full perm object to group makes it not available for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7929 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-20 05:07 <velus> may he rest in peace
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2016-06-20 07:50 <osmantis> Bug #7930:04 [Groups Module v2] In some cases for inviting a new member the Role shows as "(loading...)" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7930 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-06-20 08:03 <osmantis> Bug #7930:04 [Groups Module v2] In some cases for inviting a new member the Role shows as "(loading...)" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7930 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-06-20 08:03 <osmantis> Bug #7930:04 [Groups Module v2] In some cases for inviting a new member the Role shows as "(loading...)" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7930 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-06-20 08:06 <osmantis> Bug #7848:04 Incorrect datetime value for column 'TMStamp' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7848 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-20 11:05 <osmantis> Bug #7930:04 [Groups Module v2] In some cases for inviting a new member the Role shows as "(loading...)" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7930 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-20 15:09 <osmantis> Bug #7929:04 Deeding full perm object to group makes it not available for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7929 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-20 15:09 <osmantis> Bug #7929:04 Deeding full perm object to group makes it not available for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7929 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2016-06-20 16:12 <osmantis> Bug #7930:04 [Groups Module v2] In some cases for inviting a new member the Role shows as "(loading...)" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7930 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-06-20 16:13 <osmantis> Bug #7930:04 [Groups Module v2] In some cases for inviting a new member the Role shows as "(loading...)" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7930 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-06-20 16:15 <osmantis> Bug #7930:04 [Groups Module v2] In some cases for inviting a new member the Role shows as "(loading...)" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7930 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-20 16:36 <osmantis> Bug #7930:04 [Groups Module v2] In some cases for inviting a new member the Role shows as "(loading...)" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7930 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-20 16:42 <osmantis> Bug #7930:04 [Groups Module v2] In some cases for inviting a new member the Role shows as "(loading...)" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7930 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-20 16:49 <osmantis> Bug #7930:04 [Groups Module v2] In some cases for inviting a new member the Role shows as "(loading...)" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7930 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-20 16:51 <osmantis> Bug #7930:04 [Groups Module v2] In some cases for inviting a new member the Role shows as "(loading...)" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7930 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-06-20 17:09 <osmantis> Bug #7929:04 Deeding full perm object to group makes it not available for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7929 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-20 17:23 <osmantis> Bug #7915:04 Objects are not set to the group, when they are rezzed or created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7915 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-20 18:11 <Melanie_T> diva_: Why add another permissions check rather than just extending the CanSellObjec one?
2016-06-20 18:19 <osmantis> Bug #7915:04 Objects are not set to the group, when they are rezzed or created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7915 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-20 18:52 <diva_> Melanie_T there was no CanSellObject
2016-06-20 18:53 <diva_> turns out the only non-trivial perms check for selling objects has to do with group-owned objects, so I gave it that specific name
2016-06-20 18:53 <Melanie_T> in avn we added the groups module queries to the existing check
2016-06-20 18:53 <Melanie_T> one module can call another
2016-06-20 18:54 <Melanie_T> so that works
2016-06-20 18:54 <osmantis> Bug #7915:04 Objects are not set to the group, when they are rezzed or created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7915 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2016-06-20 21:21 <osmantis> Bug #7929:04 Deeding full perm object to group makes it not available for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7929 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-20 21:41 <osmantis> Bug #7929:04 Deeding full perm object to group makes it not available for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7929 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-20 21:44 <osmantis> Bug #7929:04 Deeding full perm object to group makes it not available for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7929 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-20 21:45 <diva_> Melanie_T ping
2016-06-20 21:45 <diva_> or AliciaRaven ping
2016-06-20 21:46 <osmantis> Bug #7929:04 Deeding full perm object to group makes it not available for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7929 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-20 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #7929:04 Deeding full perm object to group makes it not available for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7929 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-20 22:10 <Melanie_T> diva_: pong
2016-06-20 22:12 <diva_> hi Melanie. Can you explain to me how permissions are supposed to work oupon objects being deeded to a group? Should the group inherit the permissions of the person who deeded it? Or is the group considered a "new owner" and next owner mask applies?
2016-06-20 22:21 <Melanie_T> the group is a new owner
2016-06-20 22:22 <Melanie_T> upon deeding, the next mask is applied
2016-06-20 22:22 <Melanie_T> however, the lastOwnerID is special in this case
2016-06-20 22:22 <diva_> how so?
2016-06-20 22:22 <Melanie_T> the last owner is the only one able to, for instance, take a group object that is no transfer
2016-06-20 22:23 <Melanie_T> also, if a group object is auoreturned, it is returned to the last owner
2016-06-20 22:23 <Melanie_T> however, the permissions remain those the group had
2016-06-20 22:23 <Mandarinka_T> but not  non-transferable object
2016-06-20 22:23 <Melanie_T> they're not restored to what they were
2016-06-20 22:23 <Melanie_T> because no record exists of the prior perms, that isn't possble
2016-06-20 22:23 <Mandarinka_T> if group-owned object is returned then it dies, does not go to last owner inventory
2016-06-20 22:23 <Melanie_T> Mandarinka_T: Try it in SL
2016-06-20 22:23 <Melanie_T> it goes to last owner
2016-06-20 22:24 <Melanie_T> no objects ever die on autoreturn
2016-06-20 22:24 <Mandarinka_T> but only if tranferable
2016-06-20 22:24 <Melanie_T> they used to but LL got a shitstorm over it
2016-06-20 22:24 <Melanie_T> it was changed then
2016-06-20 22:24 <Melanie_T> Mandarinka_T, you're wrong
2016-06-20 22:24 <Melanie_T> in the old days it was so but now it's not
2016-06-20 22:24 <Mandarinka_T> one moment, i must check it now
2016-06-20 22:28 <Mandarinka_T> ia m right MElanie
2016-06-20 22:28 <Mandarinka_T> i ahve tested it right now
2016-06-20 22:28 <Mandarinka_T> i have set no transfer to my obejct and next deeded to the group
2016-06-20 22:28 <Mandarinka_T> and returned it fom my land
2016-06-20 22:29 <Mandarinka_T> it did not come to my lost and found
2016-06-20 22:29 <Mandarinka_T> even viewer shouts warning
2016-06-20 22:29 <Mandarinka_T> to pay attention when you return group owned obejcts non trancferable
2016-06-20 22:29 <Melanie_T> return is NOT the same as autoreturn
2016-06-20 22:30 <Mandarinka_T> i also did by hand
2016-06-20 22:30 <Mandarinka_T> i returned manually, via click
2016-06-20 22:30 <Melanie_T> that is not the same as AUTOreturn
2016-06-20 22:31 <Melanie_T> autoreturn returns to last owner afaik
2016-06-20 22:31 <Melanie_T> i know there used to be a hack to transfer no tarsfer objects via group
2016-06-20 22:31 <Melanie_T> changes were made to block it
2016-06-20 22:31 <Melanie_T> by that time i had stopped tracking SL changes
2016-06-20 22:33 <osmantis> Bug #7929:04 Deeding full perm object to group makes it not available for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7929 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-20 22:40 <Mandarinka_T> fwe months ago, i have reclaimed parcel that was owned by tenant who was in arrears, and his group-owned obejcts, non-transferable did not go to his inventory, he lost them, but one moment i also check autoreturn right now,  
2016-06-20 22:43 <osmantis> Bug #7931:04 osTeleportAgent ignores any supplied rotation value 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7931 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-06-20 22:49 <Mandarinka_T> i have set autoreturn  = 2 minutes to check it quick, and deeded obejct to group that does not own the land, and it has disappeared withotu goign to my inventory
2016-06-20 22:51 <Mandarinka_T> anyway, we do not argue, but only want to set things in the best way ) thank you for exchanging opinions, appreciate that )
2016-06-20 22:58 <Melanie_T> then SL has changed it again, probably to close some other security hole
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2016-06-20 23:53 <osmantis> Bug #7929:04 Deeding full perm object to group makes it not available for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7929 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-21 00:51 <osmantis> Bug #7929:04 Deeding full perm object to group makes it not available for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7929 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-21 00:53 <osmantis> Bug #7929:04 Deeding full perm object to group makes it not available for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7929 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-21 02:53 <osmantis> Bug #7929:04 Deeding full perm object to group makes it not available for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7929 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-06-21 16:35 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-21 16:36 <osmantis> Bug #7862:04 Avatar unable to cross var borders in 0.9.0.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7862 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-21 16:40 <osmantis> Bug #7817:04 file_get_contents no longer works with 0.9.x on simstatus page 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7817 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-21 16:48 <osmantis> Bug #7905:04 I have no ground to walk or build on. I fall underneath and am in the 'water' flailing and have to restart. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7905 ): has been CLOSED
2016-06-21 16:50 <osmantis> Bug #7820:04 osNpcSit does not work well in actual 0.9.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7820 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-21 16:50 <osmantis> Bug #7931:04 osTeleportAgent ignores any supplied rotation value 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7931 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-21 16:51 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007907.
2016-06-21 16:51 <osmantis> Bug #7907:04 Large-primcount items create long delay in right-click editing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7907 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007904.
2016-06-21 16:52 <osmantis> Bug #7922:04 Contents of prims fail to load when edited 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7922 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007907.
2016-06-21 16:52 <osmantis> Bug #7907:04 Large-primcount items create long delay in right-click editing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7907 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007922.
2016-06-21 16:54 <osmantis> Bug #7385:04 [BULLETSIM TERRAIN MANAGER]: GetTerrainHeightAtXY: terrain not found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7385 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-21 16:54 <osmantis> Bug #7820:04 osNpcSit does not work well in actual 0.9.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7820 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-21 16:56 <osmantis> Bug #7898:04 Correction for fix - Estate Manager can set parcels for sale 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7898 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-21 16:56 <diva_> Melanie_T can you please look at this when you have time: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7898
2016-06-21 16:59 <osmantis> Bug #7766:04 Making Hypergrid Landmarks, and buying objects from Kitely to 0.9 code does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7766 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-21 16:59 <osmantis> Bug #7766:04 Making Hypergrid Landmarks, and buying objects from Kitely to 0.9 code does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7766 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-06-21 17:20 <osmantis> Bug #7817:04 file_get_contents no longer works with 0.9.x on simstatus page 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7817 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-06-21 17:25 <osmantis> Bug #7817:04 file_get_contents no longer works with 0.9.x on simstatus page 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7817 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-21 17:47 <Plugh> What is an OS instance to return when accessed via  /simstatus? I see a response to OK but nothing else. What does it indicate?
2016-06-21 17:48 <misterblue> just that the region is responding
2016-06-21 17:53 <osmantis> Bug #7817:04 file_get_contents no longer works with 0.9.x on simstatus page 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7817 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-06-21 17:54 <Plugh> That might be useful although I'm not sure how much.
2016-06-21 17:54 <Plugh> I also just discovered XSimStatus and UXSimStatus. They don't return any values.
2016-06-21 17:56 <Plugh> UXSimStatus results in the browser tossing an error but the other one doesn't shown anything.
2016-06-21 17:56 <Plugh> oh, right. Its Tuesday. Gotta get ready for todays meeting.
2016-06-21 17:56 <misterblue> Once I started working on performance questions, I started to hack on the stats stuff
2016-06-21 17:57 <misterblue> Do you use a bunch of those stats outputs? There are multiple stats systems and I'd like to get rid of some of them
2016-06-21 18:01 <Plugh> I mainly use WebStats (/SStats?) and some grid management program is using jsonSimStats. These other stats things I didn't know about until now.
2016-06-21 18:05 <misterblue> I'm pushing as much as I can into StatsManager... some of the old systems I'm just making compatible displayers as that seems to be what downward compatibility needs
2016-06-21 18:09 <djphil> OpenSim have a lot of stats available
2016-06-21 18:09 <djphil> but simstats is just to "ping" the region ...
2016-06-21 18:20 <JeffKelley> misterblue :do you confirm http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7840 ? SimulationFrameTime is about 5 micro seconds
2016-06-21 18:21 <misterblue> the time reporting stuff seems to be all messed up... I don't know what are the right numbers any more so I'm revisiting all the stats collecting code
2016-06-21 18:22 <JeffKelley> should be around 2 _milli_ seconds
2016-06-21 18:23 <smxy> Well, it supposedly was alright after taking the stuff from the military group. Who knows what Ubit did in the merge.
2016-06-21 18:23 <misterblue> I think those three things mashed together are a problem... have to sort it out
2016-06-21 18:28 <JeffKelley> also, SimFPS and PhysicsFPS constantly equal to 55 (no decimal) is suspicious
2016-06-21 18:30 <djphil> 55 is a inlated number
2016-06-21 18:30 <djphil> inflated*
2016-06-21 18:34 <JeffKelley> it was inflated ; it has been discussed to report the non-inflated value
2016-06-21 18:34 <misterblue> it's inflated to be interface compatible with the viewers
2016-06-21 18:34 <misterblue> the viewers do special things if they see the simulator frame rate drop
2016-06-21 18:34 <misterblue> so it HAS to be inflated to work with the viewers
2016-06-21 18:35 <misterblue> it's a 'downward compatible' thing
2016-06-21 18:37 <JeffKelley> yes, but the value usually fluctuates around 55.333, not 55.00 all the time
2016-06-21 18:38 <djphil> Moses had corrected but said misterblue, Moses finally the patch was removed
2016-06-21 18:39 <JeffKelley> that did not revert to 0.8 behaviour
2016-06-21 18:39 <djphil> true
2016-06-21 18:40 <JeffKelley> somebody has plugged a 55 constant somewhere, lol
2016-06-21 18:40 <osmantis> Bug #7768:04 llCollisionSound function does not work in current release V0.9.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7768 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-21 18:41 <misterblue> OpenSimulators default simulator rate is 11/sec... why 11 I never knew... but the recorded rate is multiplied by 5 before sending to the viewer
2016-06-21 18:42 <misterblue> and I think the rate is measured in MS and then adjusted to per-second... so it will be a floating point number around 55
2016-06-21 18:43 <JeffKelley> sample : http://grid.pescadoo.net/admin/gridstats.php
2016-06-21 18:43 <Plugh> Mantis #7719 is another candidate for the 0.9 bug list.
2016-06-21 18:44 <Plugh> JeffKelley: No perms to access the page
2016-06-21 18:45 <JeffKelley> temporarily disables .htaccess
2016-06-21 18:52 <misterblue> JeffKelley: do you know what request that gridstats page is using?
2016-06-21 18:53 <JeffKelley> https://github.com/jeff-kelley/opensim-utils
2016-06-21 18:53 <JeffKelley> damned, it's missing
2016-06-21 18:54 <misterblue> I'll make sure those requests stay compatible
2016-06-21 18:57 <JeffKelley> i'm using curl_multi (trying to pastebin but i triggered the captcha thing)
2016-06-21 18:57 <Plugh> Now that is a set of stats
2016-06-21 19:00 <misterblue> my preference is to have web pages that fetch JSON from the simulator and display them using JavaScript
2016-06-21 19:00 <JeffKelley> i'm using http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Monitoring_Module
2016-06-21 19:01 <misterblue> http://files.misterblue.com/SimStats/
2016-06-21 19:02 <misterblue> mine's not as pretty as yours :)
2016-06-21 19:04 <JeffKelley> we are not monitoring the same parameters
2016-06-21 19:09 <misterblue> most are the same... rows instead of columns
2016-06-21 19:09 <misterblue> I'm moving more stats into StatsManager so they will be in the 'show stats' console command and in the fetched JSON stats
2016-06-21 19:10 <misterblue> the underlying storage for the /monitorstats request is StatsManager 
2016-06-21 19:11 <JeffKelley> well, i picked up monitorstats because it was the most exhaustive, I know some ppl use it with collectd and some nice graph maker
2016-06-21 19:12 <JeffKelley> monitoring is quite redundant with Monitoring_Module, Web_Statistics_Module, JSON_User_SimStats, UXSimStatus and XSimStatus
2016-06-21 19:13 <osmantis> Bug #7820:04 osNpcSit does not work well in actual 0.9.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7820 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-21 19:14 <Plugh> /monitorstats?
2016-06-21 19:15 <JeffKelley> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Monitoring_Module
2016-06-21 19:15 <Plugh> ah
2016-06-21 19:16 <JeffKelley> you've two samples that work at top of #7840, the first for pre-avn, the second for last commit
2016-06-21 19:17 <osmantis> Bug #7385:04 [BULLETSIM TERRAIN MANAGER]: GetTerrainHeightAtXY: terrain not found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7385 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-21 19:22 <osmantis> Bug #7848:04 Incorrect datetime value for column 'TMStamp' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7848 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-21 19:46 <smxy> about the framerate value reported ... as I recall, the military group made it report the true frame rate. People complained it had a bad effect on viewers as I recall, so there are two different cariables now. One for the real value and one for the faked one. That's my recollection, anyway.
2016-06-21 19:47 <Melanie_> nope
2016-06-21 19:47 <Melanie_> there was a discussion about adding a new variable
2016-06-21 19:48 <Melanie_> but before that could happen all the viewers unilaterally removed the "lag meter", the only part of the viewer that uses that framerate for anything other than display
2016-06-21 19:48 <Melanie_> the lag meter was useless anyway, even in sl
2016-06-21 19:50 <djphil_> when you start you favorite viewer, it don't change the graphics config automaticly if your framerate is too slow ?
2016-06-21 20:08 <osmantis> Bug #7931:04 osTeleportAgent ignores any supplied rotation value 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7931 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-21 20:14 <osmantis> Bug #7820:04 osNpcSit does not work well in actual 0.9.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7820 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-21 20:15 <osmantis> Bug #7819:04 volume detect and collisions do not work proprely 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7819 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-06-21 20:16 <osmantis> Bug #7768:04 llCollisionSound function does not work in current release V0.9.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7768 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-21 21:33 <osmantis> Bug #7768:04 llCollisionSound function does not work in current release V0.9.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7768 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-21 21:40 <osmantis> Bug #7779:04 llPushObject not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-21 22:06 <osmantis> Bug #7820:04 osNpcSit does not work well in actual 0.9.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7820 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-21 22:50 <osmantis> Bug #7932:04 llRezObject ignores the Velocity parameter even when the rezzed object is physical 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7932 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2016-06-22 00:35 <Plugh> Does anyone happen to know the purpose and use of the UserFlags information that is in the UserAccounts table of the database?
2016-06-22 00:43 <nebadon> I suspect it doesnt really do anything in opensimulator
2016-06-22 00:43 <nebadon> for instance a user flag of 780 makes the viewer display "Linden Lab Employee" in your user profile
2016-06-22 00:44 <nebadon> i dont think they do anything server side, it just influences the viewer, Melanie would probably know better though
2016-06-22 00:45 <nebadon> in SL they probably have different levels for users, maybe sim owner, concierge level, not sure
2016-06-22 00:45 <nebadon> not really sure anyone knows the full extent to how they use it
2016-06-22 00:45 <Plugh> I see a few references to the value in the OS code. I need to dig further to see if I can determine any meaning. I do see AllowPublish and MaturePublish in reference to the field but those should be settings in the profile data, AFAIK.
2016-06-22 00:46 <Plugh> ok, ty. Someone was trying to promote someone to god level and it wasn't taking. Turns out the region they were logging in to must have cached their original user level so it didn't pick up on the new level.
2016-06-22 00:48 <nebadon> yes
2016-06-22 00:48 <nebadon> if you log into a region as a non-god before being promoted
2016-06-22 00:48 <nebadon> you have to restart that region to be able to trigger god mode
2016-06-22 00:48 <nebadon> its always been that way
2016-06-22 00:49 <nebadon> we need a Flush Privileges command :)
2016-06-22 00:50 <Plugh> Ah, yes. It shows as LL employee when flags is 780 unless the user has a UserTitle entry in which case it shows the UserTitle entry instead.
2016-06-22 00:50 <nebadon> there may have been a regression there in master git
2016-06-22 00:50 <nebadon> we noticed on OSgrid all the admins now show "Linden Lab Employee"
2016-06-22 00:50 <Plugh> Could be. There have been a number of other regression.
2016-06-22 00:50 <nebadon> even though we have UserTitle set
2016-06-22 00:50 <djphil_> i thing "AllowPublish" is for allow to show image of virtual life on the web
2016-06-22 00:51 <nebadon> yes no doubt LL uses it to influence external factors
2016-06-22 00:51 <nebadon> they probably have a lot of internal uses for it
2016-06-22 00:51 <djphil_> i thing jOpenSim use this flag for that ...
2016-06-22 00:52 <Plugh> djphil_: yeah but I thought the setting was stored in the user profile data. It has been a while since I looked at the profile settings. I think there may have been a couple things stored in the useraccounts table and not as part of the main profile data.
2016-06-22 00:52 <djphil_> but not 100% sure
2016-06-22 00:52 <Plugh> nebadon: What command is doing that?
2016-06-22 00:52 <nebadon> sorry doing what?
2016-06-22 00:52 <Plugh> nebadon: on OSgrid all the admins now show "Linden Lab Employee"
2016-06-22 00:53 <nebadon> must be a regression 
2016-06-22 00:53 <Plugh> How are you looking to see what user title they have?
2016-06-22 00:53 <nebadon> we all had the flag set to 780
2016-06-22 00:53 <nebadon> but we also programmed a UserTitle like "Grid Admin" or something
2016-06-22 00:53 <nebadon> but in recent update to Robust, now our admins all show "Linden Lab Employee"
2016-06-22 00:53 <nebadon> must not be passing the UserTitle correctly anymore
2016-06-22 00:54 <djphil_> seems more logical in profile db Plugh, no ?
2016-06-22 00:54 <nebadon> no
2016-06-22 00:54 <nebadon> not everyone is running profile
2016-06-22 00:54 <nebadon> its likely passed at login
2016-06-22 00:54 <nebadon> possibly even before the viewer looks at profile data
2016-06-22 00:55 <Plugh> nebadon: I have a test grid running a fairly recent version of git master. i can check that title issue you mentioned but I would like to know how you are checking the users title. Just a normal in viewer access of their profile?
2016-06-22 00:56 <nebadon> yes
2016-06-22 00:56 <djphil_> NEb, you can set the default value to FALSE ...
2016-06-22 00:56 <Plugh> nebadon: ok. let me look...
2016-06-22 00:56 <nebadon> the OSgrid web profile i made shows proper :) http://my.osgrid.org/?name=Nebadon.Izumi
2016-06-22 00:57 <djphil_> maybee the viewer can block the display of these pics but for general usage, is for webmaster ...
2016-06-22 00:57 <nebadon> ya
2016-06-22 00:57 <nebadon> i think its purely administrative
2016-06-22 00:58 <Plugh> nebadon: yup. Its borked.
2016-06-22 00:58 <Plugh> hm... Let me double check by restarting the region to make sure it isn't using cached user data.
2016-06-22 00:58 <djphil_> maybee the simulator block the request too Neb ...
2016-06-22 00:59 <Melanie_> The string "Linden Labs Employee" is hardcoded in the viewer
2016-06-22 01:00 <Melanie_> In the packet, the way it works is that you have a user type, 0, 1, 2, 3
2016-06-22 01:00 <Plugh> yes, but if you set a value for UserTitle it should show that instead of LL Employee.
2016-06-22 01:00 <Melanie_> which is normal user, lifetime user, <unused>, employee
2016-06-22 01:00 <Melanie_> the field is shared with the title
2016-06-22 01:00 <Melanie_> and yes if a title is set the code should show that instead
2016-06-22 01:00 <Melanie_> and it did that on osg and also on avination
2016-06-22 01:01 <nebadon> yea it did
2016-06-22 01:01 <Melanie_> so this does look like a merge artefact
2016-06-22 01:01 <nebadon> but when we upgraded to 0.9 robust it stopped workign
2016-06-22 01:01 <nebadon> yea very likely
2016-06-22 01:01 <Melanie_> so 0.9 sims with 0.8 robust worked?
2016-06-22 01:01 <nebadon> yes
2016-06-22 01:01 <Melanie_> but switch to 0.9 robust killed it?
2016-06-22 01:01 <Plugh> In an 080PF based grid my avatar has UserFlags of 780. The viewer shows only my UserTitle entry and not ll Employee.
2016-06-22 01:01 <Melanie_> ok, so it's in service
2016-06-22 01:01 <nebadon> danbanner could confirm that for sure
2016-06-22 01:02 <nebadon> but im pretty certain that is the case
2016-06-22 01:02 <Melanie_> that would be UserAccountService
2016-06-22 01:02 <djphil_> I see that on my github helpfull page for opensim
2016-06-22 01:02 <djphil_> USER ACCOUNTS FLAGS (usseraccounts => UserFlags)
2016-06-22 01:02 <djphil_> 200 = Resident:Payment info on account
2016-06-22 01:02 <djphil_> 300 = Testing:Payment info on account
2016-06-22 01:02 <djphil_> 400 = Testing:No payment info on account
2016-06-22 01:02 <djphil_> 600 = Member Estatute:Payment info on account
2016-06-22 01:02 <djphil_> 800 = Linden Contracted
2016-06-22 01:02 <Melanie_> which somehow seems to not package the title field correctly
2016-06-22 01:02 <Melanie_> it's a reather small portion of code to check
2016-06-22 01:02 <Plugh> ok, ty. I'll add that to the DB docs page of the OS wiki
2016-06-22 01:03 <Melanie_> those are not correct
2016-06-22 01:03 <danbanner> no matter what UserFlags i set our Usertitle is not displayed
2016-06-22 01:03 <Melanie_> it's actually a bitflag value
2016-06-22 01:03 <Melanie_> the lowest nibble is the user account type, it's 4 bits but only 2 are used
2016-06-22 01:03 <nebadon> danbanner but it worked with 0.9 sim connected to 0.8.2 robust right?
2016-06-22 01:03 <danbanner> yes
2016-06-22 01:03 <Melanie_> the upper 12 bits are flags as defined in the viewer
2016-06-22 01:03 <djphil_> lets me know when you add that on the wiki Plug, please ;)
2016-06-22 01:03 <Melanie_> Plugh: the above list is wrong, do NOT add it
2016-06-22 01:04 <Melanie_> it may work by accident but those are not the proper values
2016-06-22 01:04 <osmantis> Bug #7932:04 llRezObject ignores the Velocity parameter even when the rezzed object is physical 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7932 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2016-06-22 01:04 <Melanie_> as it's a binary bitfield
2016-06-22 01:04 <Melanie_> so the proper values will never be such nice decimals
2016-06-22 01:04 <Plugh> Melanie_: If the values are basically correct I can convert the info to the appropriate bits.
2016-06-22 01:04 <Melanie_> look to the viewer code
2016-06-22 01:04 <Melanie_> there are a number of flags
2016-06-22 01:05 <Melanie_> payment info on file
2016-06-22 01:05 <Plugh> You want me to look at C++ code?  :P
2016-06-22 01:05 <Melanie_> payment info used
2016-06-22 01:05 <Melanie_> age verified
2016-06-22 01:05 <Melanie_> god
2016-06-22 01:05 <Melanie_> etc
2016-06-22 01:05 <Melanie_> they use flag values starting at 128 iirc
2016-06-22 01:05 <djphil_> maybee look inside currency module too then
2016-06-22 01:05 <Melanie_> the lowest nibble is the account type and title should override it
2016-06-22 01:05 <osmantis> Bug #7932:04 llRezObject ignores the Velocity parameter even when the rezzed object is physical 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7932 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 01:06 <Melanie_> Plugh: I always have a viewer handy to look up constants
2016-06-22 01:07 <Melanie_> i don't keep it up to date and i don't build it
2016-06-22 01:07 <Melanie_> but it supplies me with LL constants not in OMV
2016-06-22 01:07 <Plugh> I have viewer code around here that I update as I have occasionally built the viewer from source.
2016-06-22 01:08 <Plugh> djphil_: Where did you find those values you posted?
2016-06-22 01:08 <djphil_> don't remember
2016-06-22 01:09 <Melanie_> / For Flags in AvatarPropertiesReply
2016-06-22 01:09 <Melanie_> const U32 AVATAR_ALLOW_PUBLISH          = 0x1 << 0; // whether profile is externally visible or not
2016-06-22 01:09 <Melanie_> const U32 AVATAR_MATURE_PUBLISH         = 0x1 << 1; // profile is "mature"
2016-06-22 01:09 <Melanie_> const U32 AVATAR_IDENTIFIED             = 0x1 << 2; // whether avatar has provided payment info
2016-06-22 01:09 <Melanie_> const U32 AVATAR_TRANSACTED             = 0x1 << 3; // whether avatar has actively used payment info
2016-06-22 01:09 <Melanie_> const U32 AVATAR_ONLINE                 = 0x1 << 4; // the online status of this avatar, if known.
2016-06-22 01:09 <Melanie_> const U32 AVATAR_AGEVERIFIED            = 0x1 << 5; // whether avatar has been age-verified
2016-06-22 01:09 <Melanie_> this is canon
2016-06-22 01:09 <djphil_> found here Plugh : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Database:Users
2016-06-22 01:10 <Plugh> The OS source indicates bit 0 is AllowPublish and bit 1 is MaturePublish.
2016-06-22 01:11 <Melanie_> yes i'm looking for the correct positions now
2016-06-22 01:11 <Melanie_> but the wiki is dead wrong on the values
2016-06-22 01:12 <djphil_> a lot of database value isn't uptudate or obselet on the wiki
2016-06-22 01:12 <Plugh> I suspect that they may not be wrong. Someone may not have realized they are hex values used as masks.
2016-06-22 01:12 <Melanie_> those values create the listed results
2016-06-22 01:12 <Melanie_> but that is by accident
2016-06-22 01:12 <Plugh> djphil_: I have done some updates to the docs. This issue of the UserFlags thing popped up today so I would like to get some docs written up.
2016-06-22 01:12 <Melanie_> someone tried decimal values on a binary field
2016-06-22 01:12 <Melanie_> that info needs to be updated
2016-06-22 01:13 <Melanie_> and until it's updated, it needs to be removed
2016-06-22 01:13 <Melanie_> it's wrong
2016-06-22 01:13 <djphil_> Mel your list above come from viewer code ?
2016-06-22 01:13 <Melanie_> yes
2016-06-22 01:13 <Melanie_> but i know there is a better one
2016-06-22 01:13 <Melanie_> i'm looking now
2016-06-22 01:14 <djphil_> Sure all viewer use the same list lol ?
2016-06-22 01:14 <danbanner> so why do i show as 'Linden Lab Employee' with:
2016-06-22 01:14 <danbanner>   UserLevel: 255
2016-06-22 01:14 <danbanner>   UserFlags: 780
2016-06-22 01:14 <danbanner>   UserTitle: Grid Admin
2016-06-22 01:15 <Melanie_> 780 is a number i gave you a long time ago to use for gods
2016-06-22 01:15 <Melanie_> the titlebot being seen is a regression
2016-06-22 01:15 <Melanie_> 780 is correct
2016-06-22 01:15 <danbanner> so i should mantis it?
2016-06-22 01:15 <Melanie_> yes
2016-06-22 01:15 <danbanner> okay brb
2016-06-22 01:16 <djphil_> i have somle flags list here : https://github.com/djphil/oshelpful/blob/master/HELPFUL.md
2016-06-22 01:16 <djphil_> user level, user flags abd more ...
2016-06-22 01:17 <djphil_> but seam not 100% correct for all now :s
2016-06-22 01:18 <Plugh> That Users page doesn't even have the right cases on the field names.
2016-06-22 01:18 <djphil_> never see 780 for userlevel for exemple ...
2016-06-22 01:18 <Plugh> 780 is not a user level value. It is seen in UserFlags.
2016-06-22 01:18 <Melanie_> ok
2016-06-22 01:18 <djphil_> ok
2016-06-22 01:18 <Melanie_> i found the info again
2016-06-22 01:18 <Melanie_> i was wrong ont he nibbles, it's the other way around
2016-06-22 01:19 <Melanie_> userFlags is like this:
2016-06-22 01:19 <djphil_> i'm try again then, "never see userflags 780"
2016-06-22 01:19 <Melanie_> xxxxttttffffffff
2016-06-22 01:19 <Plugh> yea, I was thinking that might be the case based on the bit field info you posted earlier.
2016-06-22 01:19 <Melanie_> x is not used
2016-06-22 01:19 <Melanie_> t is account tyoe, it's 4 bits but only values 0-3 are used
2016-06-22 01:19 <Melanie_> ffffffff is the flags 
2016-06-22 01:19 <Melanie_> they are as i set out above
2016-06-22 01:20 <Melanie_> 780 means identified, transacted, and account ype employee (3)
2016-06-22 01:20 <Melanie_> it's 0x030c
2016-06-22 01:20 <Melanie_> one may want to use 032c
2016-06-22 01:20 <Melanie_> that is 812
2016-06-22 01:21 <Melanie_> to include age verified
2016-06-22 01:21 <Melanie_> although opensim doesn't currently use that
2016-06-22 01:21 <osmantis> Bug #7933:04 UserTitle is broken or otherwise not being sent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7933 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-06-22 01:21 <Melanie_> but an access control module might
2016-06-22 01:21 <Plugh> The restart didn't fix the issue with user title so it is indeed borked.
2016-06-22 01:26 <Plugh> Melanie_: Are the other user account types in the viewer or OS code?
2016-06-22 01:28 <Plugh> Ah. Found the avatar account types in the source files of Singularity.
2016-06-22 01:29 <Plugh> indra/newview/llavatarpropertiesprocessor.cpp shows -> "AcctTypeResident", "AcctTypeTrial", "AcctTypeCharterMember", "AcctTypeEmployee"
2016-06-22 01:29 <Plugh> The actual values need to be looked up in the string translation files.
2016-06-22 01:30 <Plugh> ie. in here -> indra/newview/skins/default/xui/en-us/strings.xml
2016-06-22 01:32 <Plugh> I now have all the info I need to document the UserFlags field.
2016-06-22 01:33 <Melanie_> I fixed this now: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Database:Users
2016-06-22 01:33 <Melanie_> beat you to it
2016-06-22 01:34 <Melanie_> Plugh: It's already done :)
2016-06-22 01:34 <Melanie_> so don't overwrite it
2016-06-22 01:34 <diva_> Melanie_ what would ParentGroup.RootPart.Shape.State=5 mean?
2016-06-22 01:34 <Plugh> Not quite. I was wanting this information for a different page so I'll C&P what you wrote.
2016-06-22 01:35 <Melanie_> k
2016-06-22 01:35 <Melanie_> diva_: if the PCode is 9, it would be invalid
2016-06-22 01:35 <Melanie_> diva_: if the PCode is something else, it would be a tree or grass. The State then denotes the type of grass or plant
2016-06-22 01:35 <diva_> I have an object with that combination
2016-06-22 01:36 <Melanie_> PCode == 9 is a prim. It should never have a state of 5. State can be 0 or 1, 1 denoting a currently attached attachment
2016-06-22 01:36 <diva_> also if what you're syaing is what should happen, what's the deal with this method?
2016-06-22 01:36 <diva_>         public bool IsAttachmentCheckFull()
2016-06-22 01:36 <diva_>         {
2016-06-22 01:36 <diva_>             return (IsAttachment ||
2016-06-22 01:36 <diva_>                 (m_rootPart.Shape.PCode == (byte)PCodeEnum.Primitive && m_rootPart.Shape.State != 0));
2016-06-22 01:36 <diva_>         }
2016-06-22 01:37 <Melanie_> IsAttachment overrides all checks and makes the object an attachment unconditionally. That is needed because during teleport attachments are detached and their state is 0 but they still need to be seen as attachments
2016-06-22 01:37 <diva_> I'm looking into a regression in llRezObject, and the object the person gave has a PCode of 9 and State of 5
2016-06-22 01:37 <Melanie_> outside of teleports, PCode == 9 means a prim; you can't attach trees and grass
2016-06-22 01:38 <Melanie_> and a State != 0 means it's currently attached to an avatar
2016-06-22 01:38 <Melanie_> state should be 1 in this case but i guess 5 would also be seen as attached
2016-06-22 01:38 <diva_> the object is not attached
2016-06-22 01:38 <Melanie_> if such an object is not actually attached it becomes a foxtail
2016-06-22 01:38 <diva_> what's that?
2016-06-22 01:39 <Melanie_> it's a term denoting an object that will crash your viewer looking at it
2016-06-22 01:39 <diva_> the viewer is not crashing
2016-06-22 01:39 <Plugh> ok, done. The UserFlags information has also been added to the UserAccounts page in the wiki.
2016-06-22 01:39 <Melanie_> the history is that there used to be an inexplicable viewer crash on WP
2016-06-22 01:39 <diva_> but that os the reason why the object is not being placedin the ohysical scene
2016-06-22 01:39 <Melanie_> and when i was called in i tracked it to be an attachment at 0, 0, 0 which was flagges as such but not actually attacked
2016-06-22 01:39 <diva_> because it fails the IsAttachmentFullCheck method
2016-06-22 01:39 <Melanie_> it happened to be a kitsune's tail, so, a fixtail
2016-06-22 01:40 <Melanie_> a "foxtail" has since come to mean such an object
2016-06-22 01:40 <Melanie_> viewers have evolved and the crash has been fixed
2016-06-22 01:40 <Melanie_> it's still a lost attachment
2016-06-22 01:40 <diva_> let me try to find out where State is being set to 5
2016-06-22 01:40 <Melanie_> avn code delates those on startup
2016-06-22 01:40 <Melanie_> deletes*
2016-06-22 01:41 <Melanie_> the check is always done for != 0, never for == 1
2016-06-22 01:41 <Melanie_> so the actual value is meaningless
2016-06-22 01:41 <Melanie_> why is this of any concern beyond just deleting it?
2016-06-22 01:42 <diva_> this is an object that's being llRezed
2016-06-22 01:42 <Melanie_> it may have a nonzero state in the XML
2016-06-22 01:42 <diva_> that's what I'm going to find out
2016-06-22 01:42 <Melanie_> also, maybe pcode gets slammed to 9
2016-06-22 01:42 <Melanie_> but it's actually a tree originally
2016-06-22 01:42 <diva_> doesn't look like a tree
2016-06-22 01:42 <Melanie_> it IS possible to rez linden trees (but not grass) 
2016-06-22 01:43 <diva_> it's a missile of some sort
2016-06-22 01:43 <diva_> with 3 prims
2016-06-22 01:43 <Melanie_> well, it would not look like a tree if it's pcode had been altered to be 9
2016-06-22 01:43 <Melanie_> ok
2016-06-22 01:43 <Melanie_> if it's a multi-part object it's never been a tree
2016-06-22 01:43 <Melanie_> check the XML to see if state is 5 in the XML
2016-06-22 01:43 <Melanie_> maybe we have an omission here because State should not be set when deserializing XML when PCode is 9
2016-06-22 01:44 <Melanie_> possibly that is not checked in the SceneObjectSerializer
2016-06-22 01:48 <diva_> yep it's 5 from the xml
2016-06-22 01:49 <Melanie_> SceneObjectSeriqalizer needs some code added
2016-06-22 01:49 <Melanie_> if (PCode == 9) STate = 0
2016-06-22 01:49 <Melanie_> or similar
2016-06-22 01:49 <Melanie_> there is no case at all where an object can ever be rezzed and be an attachment the moment it's rezzed
2016-06-22 01:49 <Melanie_> neither should a nonsero state be written to the xml of an object when the pcode is 9
2016-06-22 01:56 <Melanie_> i'm off to bed, NN
2016-06-22 01:56 <diva_> NN
2016-06-22 02:05 <Plugh> Night, Melanie_
2016-06-22 02:07 <osmantis> Bug #7932:04 llRezObject ignores the Velocity parameter even when the rezzed object is physical 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7932 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 02:09 <Plugh> ha! That llRezObject issue is one I ran across when working on a fireworks launcher.
2016-06-22 02:10 <osmantis> Bug #7932:04 llRezObject ignores the Velocity parameter even when the rezzed object is physical 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7932 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 02:10 <osmantis> Bug #7932:04 llRezObject ignores the Velocity parameter even when the rezzed object is physical 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7932 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 03:10 <osmantis> Bug #7933:04 UserTitle is broken or otherwise not being sent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7933 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 03:29 <osmantis> Bug #7932:04 llRezObject ignores the Velocity parameter even when the rezzed object is physical 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7932 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 03:38 <nebadon> diva on mantis 7904 http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 do you still not understand what they meant?
2016-06-22 03:39 <nebadon> the problem appears to be when you drop 50+ of anything into a prim content tab
2016-06-22 03:39 <nebadon> the more you add to a prim content the worse it gets
2016-06-22 03:39 <diva_> yeah I know
2016-06-22 03:39 <nebadon> ok
2016-06-22 03:39 <diva_> but this is not a regression
2016-06-22 03:39 <nebadon> ah ok
2016-06-22 03:40 <diva_> right now I'm more focused on regressions
2016-06-22 03:40 <nebadon> yea
2016-06-22 03:40 <diva_> I dn't understand this http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7820
2016-06-22 03:40 <nebadon> oh
2016-06-22 03:40 <nebadon> ya
2016-06-22 03:40 <nebadon> that has nothing to do with osNPCsit
2016-06-22 03:40 <nebadon> thats because melanie changed sit position again
2016-06-22 03:41 <nebadon> they have to fix their script pretty much
2016-06-22 03:41 <nebadon> the problem was we never matched SL 100%
2016-06-22 03:41 <nebadon> the unfortunate part was there was atleast 3 attempts prior to getting it correct
2016-06-22 03:41 <diva_> but isn't there a "LegacySit"?
2016-06-22 03:41 <nebadon> which results in having to reprogram 1000s of items
2016-06-22 03:42 <nebadon> there is but its a horrible solution
2016-06-22 03:42 <diva_> why?
2016-06-22 03:42 <nebadon> because it means you have to do either or
2016-06-22 03:42 <diva_> so...?
2016-06-22 03:42 <nebadon> well it means you cant get anything new
2016-06-22 03:43 <diva_> new?
2016-06-22 03:43 <nebadon> your basically stuck on legacy forever
2016-06-22 03:43 <nebadon> ya any new content that uses the correct coordinates
2016-06-22 03:43 <diva_> I don't get it. What's the alternative?
2016-06-22 03:43 <nebadon> fix their scripts
2016-06-22 03:43 <diva_> how?
2016-06-22 03:43 <diva_> automatically?
2016-06-22 03:43 <nebadon> they have to literally chnge the the scripts
2016-06-22 03:43 <nebadon> no
2016-06-22 03:43 <diva_> I still don't get why ppl are unhappy about this
2016-06-22 03:44 <nebadon> well think about Universal Campus
2016-06-22 03:44 <nebadon> or OSCC
2016-06-22 03:44 <nebadon> with 5000 chairs
2016-06-22 03:44 <diva_> Again, I don't get it. What's the alternative that would make ppl happier?
2016-06-22 03:44 <nebadon> fixing it sucks
2016-06-22 03:44 <nebadon> oh you cant ever make people happy
2016-06-22 03:44 <nebadon> lol
2016-06-22 03:45 <nebadon> what sucks about this
2016-06-22 03:45 <nebadon> is its the 4th time we have done it
2016-06-22 03:45 <nebadon> its upsetting
2016-06-22 03:45 <nebadon> hopefully this is the last time
2016-06-22 03:45 <diva_> In this case, there are no alternatives, short of fixing scripts automatically, which seems daunting
2016-06-22 03:45 <nebadon> yes
2016-06-22 03:45 <nebadon> i dont think people would have been so upset if it was a one time thing
2016-06-22 03:46 <osmantis> Bug #7820:04 osNpcSit does not work well in actual 0.9.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7820 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-06-22 03:46 <nebadon> Justin changed it twice
2016-06-22 03:46 <nebadon> luckily now i believe it actually matches SL 100% though so it should be the last time it ever happens
2016-06-22 03:49 <diva_> but this is definitely an important note to go on the release notes
2016-06-22 03:50 <nebadon> from what it sounds like though
2016-06-22 03:50 <nebadon> behavior still doesnt match SL
2016-06-22 03:50 <nebadon> but oh well
2016-06-22 03:50 <nebadon> I cant say I have tested anything in SL for a long time though
2016-06-22 03:50 <nebadon> nor do i really care too personally at this point
2016-06-22 03:56 <diva_> what's the minimum recommended version of mono?
2016-06-22 03:58 <nebadon> I want to say 2.10.8.1
2016-06-22 04:00 <diva_> that's the one I run on my vLab :)
2016-06-22 04:01 <diva_> emerging: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/0.9.0.0_Release
2016-06-22 04:02 <nebadon> nice
2016-06-22 04:31 <Mandarinka_T> Diva, i have tested yoru fix for Mantis #7932 right now, and when i teleport myself from region where i logged in to another one, then all my attachment is not serialised at all
2016-06-22 04:31 <Mandarinka_T> simply saying, avatar can't wear any attachments
2016-06-22 04:32 <nebadon> have you tried a different avatar?
2016-06-22 04:32 <Mandarinka_T> i logged in sandbox plaza, avatar wears all next i tp to my region with diva fix and no attachment
2016-06-22 04:33 <nebadon> I just logged in with master git on OSgrid and my avatar loads ok
2016-06-22 04:33 <Mandarinka_T> but please
2016-06-22 04:33 <Mandarinka_T> teleport yourself
2016-06-22 04:33 <Mandarinka_T> to other region with diva fix right now
2016-06-22 04:33 <nebadon> ok so teleport to same version?
2016-06-22 04:33 <Mandarinka_T> god yes
2016-06-22 04:33 <nebadon> ok trying now
2016-06-22 04:34 <nebadon> worked fine
2016-06-22 04:34 <nebadon> your simulators on windows or linux?
2016-06-22 04:34 <Mandarinka_T> this test region is on windows
2016-06-22 04:34 <nebadon> something wierd is happening though
2016-06-22 04:35 <Mandarinka_T> please tp to my test region
2016-06-22 04:35 <nebadon> my avatar is stuck in t post and spinning
2016-06-22 04:35 <Mandarinka_T> MANDARINKA - OAR
2016-06-22 04:35 <nebadon> what the heck
2016-06-22 04:35 <Mandarinka_T> and i observe console
2016-06-22 04:35 <nebadon> im not seeing any serialization errors on console
2016-06-22 04:35 <Mandarinka_T> neithe rme
2016-06-22 04:35 <nebadon> but my avatr is acting funky
2016-06-22 04:35 <Mandarinka_T> but console shows:
2016-06-22 04:35 <Mandarinka_T> nothing worn
2016-06-22 04:36 <Mandarinka_T> when i write attachments show
2016-06-22 04:36 <nebadon> wierd
2016-06-22 04:36 <nebadon> my mesh avatar became detached
2016-06-22 04:36 <nebadon> and will not attach again
2016-06-22 04:36 <Mandarinka_T> diva did not test her fix at all i think
2016-06-22 04:37 <nebadon> diva_ you here still?
2016-06-22 04:37 <Mandarinka_T> diva wrote this:  if (shape.PCode == (byte)PCodeEnum.Primitive && shape.State != 0) +                // This should not happen! +                shape.State = 0;  and it is a problem right now
2016-06-22 04:38 <Mandarinka_T> when i log in , all is ok, but after teleport, no attachments, all is automatically detached
2016-06-22 04:38 <nebadon> ya same here
2016-06-22 04:38 <Mandarinka_T> so her fix shud be reverted and better tested
2016-06-22 04:39 <nebadon> well maybe im not sure reversion is necessary yet
2016-06-22 04:39 <nebadon> but fix is needed
2016-06-22 04:39 <nebadon> we cant insure master git is not broken sometimes
2016-06-22 04:39 <nebadon> it is the dev branch :)
2016-06-22 04:39 <nebadon> it will break from time to time
2016-06-22 04:40 <Mandarinka_T> yes, but it reuqires better testing
2016-06-22 04:40 <Mandarinka_T> before it goes ot master
2016-06-22 04:40 <nebadon> well thats not always possible
2016-06-22 04:40 <nebadon> the whole point is we test the code
2016-06-22 04:40 <Mandarinka_T> sure i realise  ) that is why i have at ocne written about it here to inform you
2016-06-22 04:41 <nebadon> if its broken we let her know
2016-06-22 04:41 <nebadon> dont worry though it will get fixed
2016-06-22 04:41 <Mandarinka_T> can you write in better english udner har mantis ?
2016-06-22 04:41 <nebadon> if she feels like she cant fix it now or in the next few days she will revert it so not to jam others up
2016-06-22 04:41 <Mandarinka_T> her*
2016-06-22 04:41 <nebadon> i just sent her skype
2016-06-22 04:41 <nebadon> she must be AFK
2016-06-22 04:41 <Mandarinka_T> k
2016-06-22 04:41 <Mandarinka_T> yes, ti is late evening at her i think
2016-06-22 04:41 <nebadon> it is getting late so she may be gone for the night
2016-06-22 04:41 <nebadon> we'll see
2016-06-22 04:42 <nebadon> ya its 9:41 for her
2016-06-22 04:42 <Mandarinka_T> 9 hours between me
2016-06-22 04:42 <nebadon> what mantis #?
2016-06-22 04:43 <Mandarinka_T> Mantis #7932
2016-06-22 04:43 <Mandarinka_T> write, that after teleportation to region with her fix, attachment is deserialised
2016-06-22 04:44 <osmantis> Bug #7932:04 llRezObject ignores the Velocity parameter even when the rezzed object is physical 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7932 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 04:45 <Mandarinka_T> yes great, thank you )
2016-06-22 04:45 <nebadon> no problem
2016-06-22 04:54 <Mandarinka_T> wel in my modest opinion, it is wrong assumption, that attachment is not a primitive, becasue attachments are objects, so hence, they are consisted of primitives
2016-06-22 07:15 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 08:07 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 11:47 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 12:52 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 13:20 <osmantis> Bug #7932:04 llRezObject ignores the Velocity parameter even when the rezzed object is physical 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7932 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 13:26 <osmantis> Bug #7932:04 llRezObject ignores the Velocity parameter even when the rezzed object is physical 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7932 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 13:34 <osmantis> Bug #7932:04 llRezObject ignores the Velocity parameter even when the rezzed object is physical 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7932 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 13:43 <osmantis> Bug #7932:04 llRezObject ignores the Velocity parameter even when the rezzed object is physical 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7932 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 13:44 <osmantis> Bug #7932:04 llRezObject ignores the Velocity parameter even when the rezzed object is physical 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7932 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 13:48 <nebadon> I really hate that in 0.9 region owners and grid gods totally ignore telehubs now 100% of the time
2016-06-22 13:48 <diva_> regression?
2016-06-22 13:48 <nebadon> some of my sims I end up always landing inside of objects and i have to teleport a second time
2016-06-22 13:48 <nebadon> no i beleive Melanie intentionally changed behavior
2016-06-22 13:49 <nebadon> before it only ignored if you enabled god mode ctrl+alt+G
2016-06-22 13:49 <nebadon> now it does it 100% of the time
2016-06-22 13:49 <nebadon> its terrible
2016-06-22 13:49 <diva_> we can change it back. That will be annooying
2016-06-22 13:49 <nebadon> yea that would be great
2016-06-22 13:49 <nebadon> im constantly ending up inside of objects
2016-06-22 13:50 <diva_> yeah that will be a disaster in the encitra grid
2016-06-22 13:50 <Melanie_> diva_: the avination behavior matches SL
2016-06-22 13:50 <Melanie_> in SL, when a sim owner or grid god TPs into a sim from outside, telehubs are ignored for them
2016-06-22 13:51 <diva_> That is terrible, so we need to be able to do it as before. If you insist on SL behavior, I'll add a config var
2016-06-22 13:51 <Melanie_> when they TP within the sim, telehubs work for owners but not for gods
2016-06-22 13:51 <Melanie_> if it weren't so, lindens would not be able to meterialize at 200m so they don't get chatted with
2016-06-22 13:51 <nebadon> ya I guess my problem is i have region owner god enabled everywhere
2016-06-22 13:51 <Melanie_> then add a cofig var
2016-06-22 13:51 <nebadon> so there is no avoiding it
2016-06-22 13:51 <Melanie_> gods can't be mandatorily bound by telehubs
2016-06-22 13:51 <nebadon> Melanie before it only worked if you enabled god mode
2016-06-22 13:52 <nebadon> with CTRL+ALT+G first
2016-06-22 13:52 <Melanie_> that is acceotable
2016-06-22 13:52 <nebadon> then it started ignoring them
2016-06-22 13:52 <Melanie_> it's ok for me if it's changed to need god mode enabled
2016-06-22 13:52 <nebadon> ok great
2016-06-22 13:52 <Melanie_> that way as a god at least one can test telehubs
2016-06-22 13:52 <nebadon> tyea
2016-06-22 13:52 <nebadon> yea
2016-06-22 13:52 <Melanie_> i have missed that in SL
2016-06-22 13:52 <Melanie_> always needed a second avatar
2016-06-22 13:52 <nebadon> yea true
2016-06-22 13:52 <diva_> ok, I'll add a config
2016-06-22 13:53 <diva_> neb please create a mantis
2016-06-22 13:53 <nebadon> ok
2016-06-22 13:54 <diva_> Melanie_ is there any situation in which a prim rezzed out of an object's inventory is marked as attachment = False, PCode=9 and State != 0? 
2016-06-22 13:54 <Melanie_> don't know. there is a lot of old content
2016-06-22 13:54 <diva_> I mean should that be legal?
2016-06-22 13:54 <diva_> what would it mean?
2016-06-22 13:55 <Melanie_> the IsAttachemnt should not even be saved
2016-06-22 13:55 <diva_> what about PCode=9 and State != 0? What would that mean for an object rezzed out of an object's inventory?
2016-06-22 13:56 <Melanie_> invalid
2016-06-22 13:57 <osmantis> Bug #7934:04 Grid Gods and Regions owners always ignore Telehubs (Regresssion) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7934 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-06-22 14:05 <osmantis> Bug #7676:04 Setting accesstime for assets in mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7676 ): has been CLOSED
2016-06-22 14:06 <osmantis> Bug #7127:04 [HELO SERVICE]: Unable to perform HELO request to http://inventory.ossgrid.org:80/helo/: Remote server returned an error: (404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7127 ): has been CLOSED
2016-06-22 14:08 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 15:19 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 16:59 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 18:12 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 18:17 <osmantis> Bug #7935:04 Assets are not being copied on HG teleports (regression) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7935 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-06-22 18:29 <Plugh> The prim contents issue is not a regression? It was working in 080PF afaik. I haven't tested it in 082PF
2016-06-22 18:34 <osmantis> Bug #7934:04 Grid Gods and Regions owners always ignore Telehubs (Regresssion) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7934 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007785.
2016-06-22 18:35 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007934.
2016-06-22 18:44 <osmantis> Bug #7934:04 Grid Gods and Regions owners always ignore Telehubs (Regresssion) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7934 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 18:50 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 18:53 <osmantis> Bug #7786:04 landing point set are not respecting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7786 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 18:53 <osmantis> Bug #7786:04 landing point set are not respecting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7786 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007934.
2016-06-22 18:53 <osmantis> Bug #7934:04 Grid Gods and Regions owners always ignore Telehubs (Regresssion) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7934 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007786.
2016-06-22 18:57 <osmantis> Bug #7935:04 Assets are not being copied on HG teleports (regression) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7935 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 19:00 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 20:07 <osmantis> Bug #7932:04 llRezObject ignores the Velocity parameter even when the rezzed object is physical 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7932 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 20:08 <osmantis> Bug #7932:04 llRezObject ignores the Velocity parameter even when the rezzed object is physical 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7932 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-06-22 20:12 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 20:17 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 20:19 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-06-22 20:47 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 20:49 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 20:59 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 21:16 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 21:19 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 21:48 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 21:50 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 21:50 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 21:56 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-22 22:00 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-06-22 22:56 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 00:22 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 00:57 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 01:11 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 01:14 <danbanner> ahh
2016-06-23 01:14 <danbanner> that was the issue?
2016-06-23 01:16 <diva_> hopefully
2016-06-23 03:32 <diva_> the build bot has been MIA for a while...
2016-06-23 03:32 <diva_> how do we kick it?
2016-06-23 03:42 <Melanie_> it's complicated ;)
2016-06-23 03:45 <smxy> Doesn't one just use one's foot? How complicated is that? :)
2016-06-23 03:46 <Melanie_> left or right
2016-06-23 03:46 <Melanie_> steel toe or pointy toe
2016-06-23 03:46 <Melanie_> heel or toes
2016-06-23 03:47 <smxy> lol
2016-06-23 03:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #4665 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-06-23 03:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4665: FAILURE in 9 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4665/
2016-06-23 03:57 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Still related to mantis #7917, parcel prims info. Now sending the correct numbers for "Simulator primitive usage" related to the parcel owner, not the entire region.
2016-06-23 03:57 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7928: show grid size and show regions now working. Integers were being overflown.
2016-06-23 03:57 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Minor -- deregister an event handler in Groups V2
2016-06-23 03:57 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7915: bring XmlRpcGroups/GroupsModule.cs up to speed with Groups V2
2016-06-23 03:57 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Restored sending group membership data via EventQueue -- this had been a regression. Took the opportunity to refactor that code, so that both Groups V2 and XmlRpcGroups can use the same function.
2016-06-23 03:57 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: AgentGroupData was being sent by both UDP and EQ -- an overkill. Turn off UDP messaging.
2016-06-23 03:57 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7920: group info was not being updated in many situations. (regression) Putting back the heavy messaging.
2016-06-23 03:57 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Removed a couple of verbose messages
2016-06-23 03:57 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7929: objects deeded to the group were loosing some important properties. This makes the "For sale" be visible, but is not the end of the story.
2016-06-23 03:57 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Related to mantis #7929: "For sale" was not being accepted, because of permissions fail. This adds a new permissions check CanSellGroupObject. THIRD-PARTY PERMISSIONS MODULES TAKE NOTE OF THIS NEW EVENT.
2016-06-23 03:57 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Still mantis #7929: apply next owner mask to the new owner, the group.
2016-06-23 03:57 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Guard against multiple calls to SetOwnerId on one logical ownership change.
2016-06-23 03:57 <osjenkins> * melanie: Split IM handling so an inheriting module can cange names if required.
2016-06-23 03:57 <osjenkins> * melanie: Make some more modules inheritable
2016-06-23 03:57 <osjenkins> * melanie: Fix a dumb mistake
2016-06-23 03:57 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7932: Some objects were being serialized with PCode=9 and State != 0 (meaning attachments). That should never happen.
2016-06-23 03:57 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Can't do it do it this low in the stack. Attachments on teleports apparently rely on
2016-06-23 04:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #4666 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4663 3 days 22 hr ago)
2016-06-23 04:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4666: STILL FAILING in 6 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4666/
2016-06-23 10:18 <osmantis> Bug #7836:04 transferring full perm mesh object arrives no copy no transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7836 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 10:26 <ssm2017> are the v2 groups intented to work in hg ? (0.8.2.1-pf) (i can see the groups list and details but messaging is not working between hg user and local user)
2016-06-23 10:26 <ssm2017> maybe this is a configuration issue ?
2016-06-23 11:25 <JeffKelley> ssm2017:     GroupsServiceConnector = "${Const|PrivatePort}/OpenSim.Addons.Groups.dll:GroupsServiceRobustConnector" 
2016-06-23 11:25 <JeffKelley> and     HGGroupsServiceConnector = "${Const|PublicPort}/OpenSim.Addons.Groups.dll:HGGroupsServiceRobustConnector" 
2016-06-23 11:29 <JeffKelley> hg group messaging never worked
2016-06-23 13:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #4667 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4663 4 days 8 hr ago)
2016-06-23 13:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4667: STILL FAILING in 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4667/
2016-06-23 13:21 <osjenkins> melanie: Update HttpServer_OpenSim.dll to fix an inventory loading bug.
2016-06-23 13:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #4668 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4663 4 days 8 hr ago)
2016-06-23 13:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4668: STILL FAILING in 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4668/
2016-06-23 13:41 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Fix failing test
2016-06-23 13:41 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Same change here too.
2016-06-23 13:56 <misterblue> HttpServer_OpenSim.dll was just updated but msbuild is giving the build error: 'Invalid assembly public key.'
2016-06-23 13:57 <misterblue> Visual Studio doesn't give the error
2016-06-23 14:14 <AiAustin> Hi folks.
2016-06-23 14:14 <AiAustin> The revised HttpServer seems to cause a compile error on Windows 10
2016-06-23 14:15 <AiAustin>   CSC : fatal error CS0008: Unexpected error reading metadata from file 'd:\Tem
2016-06-23 14:15 <nebadon> yes we are aware
2016-06-23 14:15 <nebadon> Jenkins tests are still failing as well
2016-06-23 14:15 <AiAustin> okay.  I will hold off updating until its fixed. But not post a mantis. Thanks
2016-06-23 14:15 <nebadon> yea no need for a mantis at this point
2016-06-23 14:15 <AiAustin> Thx.  will co
2016-06-23 14:16 <nebadon> if you hang here once you see jenkins say Success
2016-06-23 14:16 <nebadon> go ahead and try again
2016-06-23 14:18 <AiAustin> Got it Neb.  Thx
2016-06-23 14:29 <diva_> odd the test doesn't fail here anymore
2016-06-23 14:30 <nebadon> hmm jenkins seems totaly dead
2016-06-23 14:30 <nebadon> oh no there it goes
2016-06-23 14:30 <diva_> where?
2016-06-23 14:31 <nebadon> i tried pulling up the jenkins page and got an error, but i refreshed a few times and it loaded
2016-06-23 14:32 <nebadon> the jenkins failure looks different now
2016-06-23 14:32 <nebadon> than last time i looked
2016-06-23 14:33 <diva_> I don't know why it shows that test still failing. It's not failing anymore.
2016-06-23 14:33 <nebadon>  The compiler for "Mono 4.0 Profile" does not support limiting the platform on which the compiled code can run.
2016-06-23 14:34 <nebadon> seems like mono 2.10.8.1 doesnt like that dll
2016-06-23 14:34 <diva_> is it not cleaning things up or something?
2016-06-23 14:35 <nebadon> not sure
2016-06-23 14:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #4669 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4663 4 days 9 hr ago)
2016-06-23 14:35 <nebadon> i triggered it again
2016-06-23 14:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4669: STILL FAILING in 9.4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4669/
2016-06-23 14:35 <nebadon> see what happens
2016-06-23 14:36 <nebadon> what the heck
2016-06-23 14:36 <nebadon> instafail
2016-06-23 14:36 <diva_> it must be using the old dll
2016-06-23 14:37 <diva_> it's not possible to get that error on that line anymore
2016-06-23 14:38 <diva_> and yes, there is an error on compiltaiotn Melanie_
2016-06-23 14:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #4670 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4663 4 days 9 hr ago)
2016-06-23 15:01 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-06-23 15:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4670: FIXED in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4670/
2016-06-23 15:01 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Replace the http server dll with the right pair dll + xml
2016-06-23 15:01 <nebadon> 
ACTION golf claps

2016-06-23 15:11 <Plugh> Is there a safe version of mono 4?
2016-06-23 15:19 <osmantis> Bug #7933:04 UserTitle is broken or otherwise not being sent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7933 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 15:22 <Plugh> I just ran in to more stupid nonsense with git. :P
2016-06-23 15:23 <Plugh> I create and checkout a tracking branch followed by clean -x -df and a hard reset only to find status tells me I have changes not staged for commit. WTF?
2016-06-23 15:24 <nebadon> git reset hard?
2016-06-23 15:24 <Plugh> yup
2016-06-23 15:24 <nebadon> are you in a different branch?
2016-06-23 15:25 <Plugh> Depends on what you mean by different. I have a copy of mono obtained from git. I had the master branch but that is version 4. I want to checkout 3.12 so I made a tracking branch of it.
2016-06-23 15:26 <Plugh> I can I have unstaged changes after a clean and hard reset?
2016-06-23 15:26 <Plugh> How can I have ...
2016-06-23 15:28 <Plugh> I'll rm the things it is talking about and see if they go away.
2016-06-23 15:28 <nebadon> maybe try > git fetch origin
2016-06-23 15:28 <nebadon> then > git reset --hard origin/master
2016-06-23 15:28 <nebadon> git clean -f -d
2016-06-23 15:29 <Plugh> ok, that was really bizarre.
2016-06-23 15:30 <Plugh> nebadon: too late. :)  I've never had to specify the remote branch before on a hard reset.
2016-06-23 15:31 <nebadon> well i am wondering if you didnt have master branch active
2016-06-23 15:31 <Plugh> I just manually deleted all the things it complained about and did hard resets again. The status command now tells me my source tree is clean.
2016-06-23 15:31 <Plugh> No, I didn't. I was creating/checking out a tracking branch for 3.12
2016-06-23 15:31 <nebadon> yea maybe that is why
2016-06-23 15:31 <Plugh> huh?
2016-06-23 15:31 <nebadon> maybe it was only reseting the active branch
2016-06-23 15:31 <nebadon> dunno
2016-06-23 15:32 <Plugh> status was telling me I was on 3.12
2016-06-23 15:32 <Plugh> but then it would only report the name I gave to the local branch.
2016-06-23 15:32 <Plugh> git checkout -t -b mono-3.12 origin/mono-3.12.0-branch
2016-06-23 15:32 <Plugh> Before that command I was on the master branch.
2016-06-23 15:33 <nebadon> yea i was thinking maybe you had a commit still on master but just guessing
2016-06-23 15:33 <Plugh> I'm trying to determine if a third-party module isn't working right due to the use of an old version of mono
2016-06-23 15:33 <Plugh> I don't do code work for mono. There should be no local commit.
2016-06-23 15:34 <nebadon> i generally use the tarballs myself with mono
2016-06-23 15:34 <nebadon> ive had trouble with their git versions 
2016-06-23 15:35 <nebadon> http://download.mono-project.com/sources/mono/
2016-06-23 15:35 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-06-23 15:35 <Plugh> I don't remember why but I grabbed mono from the git repo. I may have done that so I could try different versions but the machine where this git repo is located isn't one I would have done that much testing of versions. Not sure why I didn't use a tarball.
2016-06-23 15:36 <Plugh> 3.12.1 is "old" so I would think it would be safe but this is mono so who knows. :)
2016-06-23 15:37 <nebadon> ya should be ok
2016-06-23 15:37 <nebadon> 2.10.8.1 is the lowest compatible version currently
2016-06-23 15:37 <Plugh> Thanks. I'm grabbing the tarball of 3.12.1 just in case.
2016-06-23 15:38 <Plugh> 2.10.8.1 is the version I currently have installed
2016-06-23 15:38 <nebadon> you might have trouble between 4.0 and 4.1
2016-06-23 15:38 <nebadon> but after that should be fine
2016-06-23 15:38 <Plugh> I'm not touching version 4.
2016-06-23 15:38 <nebadon> i run 4.4 
2016-06-23 15:40 <Plugh> They have finally fixed all the major issues in 4 that caused breakage in OpenSim?
2016-06-23 15:40 <nebadon> I think so, there was still that one issue with name resolution caching
2016-06-23 15:40 <nebadon> has some adverse effects if your DHCP
2016-06-23 15:41 <nebadon> but that might even happen in older versions of mono as well though too
2016-06-23 15:41 <Plugh> I was reading about that in a recent mantis. That won't affect me. The machines I'm dealing with are static IP
2016-06-23 15:41 <nebadon> ya other than that its been perfect for me
2016-06-23 15:42 <Plugh> I'll start with 3.12.1 for now and see if the issue with this 3rd party module goes away or not.
2016-06-23 15:43 <nebadon> ya realistically until opensim moves up to the .net 4.5 level there is little benefit to go beyond that version
2016-06-23 15:43 <nebadon> you might get slightly better thread handling on newest mono
2016-06-23 15:43 <Plugh> While that is compiling I should have another go at trying to get avrdude working on my Pi. Seems the latest kernel (verson 4.1.x) prevents it from working with its SPI interface.
2016-06-23 15:43 <nebadon> but its probably not a huge difference
2016-06-23 15:43 <nebadon> most of opensims thread issues are not really mono related
2016-06-23 15:44 <Plugh> The person who made the module says my issue with it is bizarre. We are just trying to eliminate possible sources of the problem.
2016-06-23 15:45 <Plugh> The module is throwing out -> Exception:Object type System.Guid cannot be converted to target type: System.String
2016-06-23 15:45 <Plugh> The module creator doesn't know why I should see that. I'm the only one reporting that problem.
2016-06-23 15:46 <Plugh> great. :P  mono compile breaks.
2016-06-23 15:50 <nebadon> tarball or git?
2016-06-23 15:50 <Plugh> tarball
2016-06-23 15:50 <Plugh> of 3.12.1
2016-06-23 15:51 <Plugh> brb. RL
2016-06-23 16:13 <Plugh> I'm back.
2016-06-23 16:13 <Plugh> I'll try compiling 3.12 branch from git and see what happens.
2016-06-23 16:20 <Plugh> Mono 3.12 branch obtained via git also fails to compile in the same place.
2016-06-23 16:23 <Plugh> I'm trying mono 4.4 from git now. I had to delete some of those same files as i deleted the last time I switched branch.
2016-06-23 16:25 <nebadon> what error you get?
2016-06-23 16:27 <Plugh> Mono.Http/NtlmClient.cs(99,54): error CS1503: Argument `#1' cannot convert `Mono.Security.Protocol.Ntlm.Type2Message' expression to type `byte[]'
2016-06-23 16:28 <Plugh> That error is when I tried to compile 3.12.1 from a tarball.
2016-06-23 16:29 <nebadon> what version of mono is installed currently? you are compiling using 2.10.8?
2016-06-23 16:29 <Plugh> yes
2016-06-23 16:29 <osmantis> Bug #7936:04 Some errors with HTTP server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7936 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-06-23 16:29 <nebadon> hmm
2016-06-23 16:29 <Plugh> I've run in to that situation on my own machine. To compile mono you need an install of an older version of mono.
2016-06-23 16:29 <nebadon> yea
2016-06-23 16:30 <nebadon> I have instructions here > http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44
2016-06-23 16:30 <Plugh> <expletives deleted>  :P
2016-06-23 16:30 <nebadon> could be missing a dependency 
2016-06-23 16:30 <Plugh> I can't build 4.4 because -> You need Mono version 3.8 or better installed to build MCS
2016-06-23 16:30 <Plugh> 
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2016-06-23 16:31 <nebadon> yea
2016-06-23 16:31 <nebadon> make sure you have all the dependencies i listed there
2016-06-23 16:31 <Plugh> I'll look for a mono PPA 
2016-06-23 16:44 <AiAustin> Hi.. just a note that with the changed Httpserver .dll and .xml from @Diva I am seeing 
2016-06-23 16:44 <AiAustin> 17:20:00 - [POLL SERVICE WORKER THREAD]: Error System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
2016-06-23 16:45 <AiAustin> I know its in a state of flux.. but just noting
2016-06-23 16:47 <AiAustin> One new error/warning I am seeing may relate to groups too...
2016-06-23 16:47 <AiAustin> 17:19:52 - [EVENTQUEUE]: (Enqueue) No queue found for agent d651697d-b50a-4646-ab56-fffdce3b383e when placing message AgentGroupDataUpdate in region Marineville
2016-06-23 16:48 <AiAustin> As usual.. if this persists when thiongs settle down I will make a mantis entry.. going offline now - we have a big vote on leaving the EU here in UK today!
2016-06-23 16:50 <Plugh> nebadon: IIRC, the machine where I'm trying to compile mono is running CentOS but the /etc/issue file only reports Debian 7.
2016-06-23 16:52 <Plugh> nebadon: I tried to check the dependencies you list by just telling the system to install them. I just wind up getting a list of packages that can't be found.
2016-06-23 16:52 <nebadon> CentOS is a nighmtare for mono from my experience
2016-06-23 16:52 <Plugh> yeah.
2016-06-23 16:52 <Plugh> I just realized how late it is. I'm afk for lunch.
2016-06-23 16:53 <nebadon> there are however centos repositoris on the mono website
2016-06-23 16:53 <nebadon> http://www.mono-project.com/docs/getting-started/install/linux/#centos-7-fedora-19-and-later-and-derivatives
2016-06-23 16:54 <nebadon> this would give you the latest mono though
2016-06-23 16:54 <nebadon> its odd that CentOS would report Debian, thats super odd
2016-06-23 17:53 <Plugh> nebadon: Mint will report Ubuntu if you let one of the updates overwrite the distro's version of the /etc/issue file.
2016-06-23 17:57 <nebadon> ahh ok your using mint
2016-06-23 17:57 <nebadon> i thoguht you were using centos
2016-06-23 17:57 <Plugh> My machine is Mint. The one I'm working on is CentOS
2016-06-23 17:58 <Plugh> Just pointing out that the contents of /etc/issue may not reflect the actual distro in use.
2016-06-23 17:59 <Plugh> hm... avrdude in the repos for the Pi still isn't letting me program an AVR. I need to check somethings on the workbench to see if I can figure out why.
2016-06-23 18:08 <osmantis> Bug #7936:04 Some errors with HTTP server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7936 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2016-06-23 18:13 <osmantis> Bug #7937:04 [EVENTQUEUE]: (Enqueue) No queue found for agent ... when placing message AgentGroupDataUpdate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7937 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-06-23 18:19 <osmantis> Bug #7937:04 [EVENTQUEUE]: (Enqueue) No queue found for agent ... when placing message AgentGroupDataUpdate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7937 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 18:20 <osmantis> Bug #7937:04 [EVENTQUEUE]: (Enqueue) No queue found for agent ... when placing message AgentGroupDataUpdate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7937 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2016-06-23 18:23 <osmantis> Bug #7937:04 [EVENTQUEUE]: (Enqueue) No queue found for agent ... when placing message AgentGroupDataUpdate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7937 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2016-06-23 18:26 <osmantis> Bug #7937:04 [EVENTQUEUE]: (Enqueue) No queue found for agent ... when placing message AgentGroupDataUpdate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7937 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 18:30 <osmantis> Bug #7937:04 [EVENTQUEUE]: (Enqueue) No queue found for agent ... when placing message AgentGroupDataUpdate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7937 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 18:39 <osmantis> Bug #7937:04 [EVENTQUEUE]: (Enqueue) No queue found for agent ... when placing message AgentGroupDataUpdate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7937 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 18:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #4671 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-06-23 18:45 <osmantis> Bug #7934:04 Grid Gods and Regions owners always ignore Telehubs (Regresssion) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7934 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 18:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4671: SUCCESS in 5 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4671/
2016-06-23 18:50 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7934 and related: landing points and telehubs for gods. Added a new configuration variable LandingPointBehavior that can switch between what we're used to in OpenSim and the behavior in SL.
2016-06-23 18:55 <osmantis> Bug #7937:04 [EVENTQUEUE]: (Enqueue) No queue found for agent ... when placing message AgentGroupDataUpdate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7937 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 19:00 <osmantis> Bug #7934:04 Grid Gods and Regions owners always ignore Telehubs (Regresssion) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7934 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-06-23 19:01 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-06-23 19:01 <osmantis> Bug #7786:04 landing point set are not respecting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7786 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-06-23 19:03 <osmantis> Bug #7836:04 transferring full perm mesh object arrives no copy no transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7836 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 19:04 <osmantis> Bug #7937:04 [EVENTQUEUE]: (Enqueue) No queue found for agent ... when placing message AgentGroupDataUpdate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7937 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 19:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #4672 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-06-23 19:11 <osmantis> Bug #7937:04 [EVENTQUEUE]: (Enqueue) No queue found for agent ... when placing message AgentGroupDataUpdate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7937 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 19:14 <osmantis> Bug #7937:04 [EVENTQUEUE]: (Enqueue) No queue found for agent ... when placing message AgentGroupDataUpdate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7937 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 19:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4672: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4672/
2016-06-23 19:16 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7937: don't send group info to NPCs
2016-06-23 19:26 <Melanie_> diva_: the new DLL I added was made using mono 4.3.2
2016-06-23 19:26 <Melanie_> it may be too new to work on 2.10 so we should make a 2.10 built one
2016-06-23 19:26 <Melanie_> then i think jenkins will be happy again
2016-06-23 19:27 <osmantis> Bug #7933:04 UserTitle is broken or otherwise not being sent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7933 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 19:39 <osmantis> Bug #7933:04 UserTitle is broken or otherwise not being sent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7933 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 19:41 <Plugh> nebadon: re: 7933, I know it is working in 080PF
2016-06-23 19:42 <Plugh> What happened to my eight key??
2016-06-23 19:42 <Plugh> :P
2016-06-23 19:42 <Plugh> This day is just getting better and better. 
2016-06-23 19:42 <Plugh> 
ACTION sighs

2016-06-23 19:44 <Plugh> Try to get in to SL and it wants to update the SL viewer. Once it did that and starts up it tells me there is a required update and starts downloading it. 
2016-06-23 19:44 <Plugh> wonderful.
2016-06-23 19:48 <osmantis> Bug #7933:04 UserTitle is broken or otherwise not being sent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7933 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 19:50 <osmantis> Bug #7933:04 UserTitle is broken or otherwise not being sent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7933 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 19:53 <osmantis> Bug #7933:04 UserTitle is broken or otherwise not being sent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7933 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 20:12 <diva_> Melanie_ the problem was the missing .dll.xml 
2016-06-23 20:13 <diva_> Melanie_ but there's still a problem in your code changes: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7936
2016-06-23 20:20 <diva_> nebadon or danbanner ping
2016-06-23 20:21 <nebadon> hey diva_
2016-06-23 20:21 <diva_> where is the user title supposed to show?
2016-06-23 20:22 <nebadon> in user Profile
2016-06-23 20:22 <Plugh> It shows in the users profile
2016-06-23 20:22 <Plugh> That bug report isn't clear as to the problem I heard about, and verified, the other day.
2016-06-23 20:23 <diva_> got it
2016-06-23 20:23 <diva_> I have no idea what these values mean. WHat's flags supposed to be?
2016-06-23 20:24 <nebadon> hmm Melanie posted it the other day here
2016-06-23 20:24 <diva_> what does 780 mean?
2016-06-23 20:24 <nebadon> in SL 780 = Linden Lab Employee
2016-06-23 20:24 <Plugh> If an avatar has UserFlags of 780 the viewer will show them as LL Employee. That's fine. However, if you then set the UserTitle field to non blank then it should show the contents of UserTitle and not continue to show LL Employee.
2016-06-23 20:24 <Plugh> diva: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Database:Users
2016-06-23 20:25 <nebadon> my irc log doesnt go far enough back
2016-06-23 20:25 <Plugh> diva_: Oops. This is the URL I meant to paste (same info about flags)-> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/UserAccounts#userFlags
2016-06-23 20:43 <Plugh> ok, I know when it is time to throw in the towel.
2016-06-23 20:44 <Plugh> I've tried to do a half dozens things today and hit roadblocks on every single one of them. I'm going to shut the computer down, grab a couple of magazines, and sit outside and do some reading. At least with that I won't have any other stumbling blocks.
2016-06-23 20:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #4673 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-06-23 20:54 <osmantis> Bug #7933:04 UserTitle is broken or otherwise not being sent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7933 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 20:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4673: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4673/
2016-06-23 20:59 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Mantis #7933: copy-paste bug in avn code.
2016-06-23 21:02 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 21:12 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 21:23 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-06-23 21:47 -!- IgorVorotiloff(~GuyCharle@unaffiliated/igorvorotiloff) has left #opensim-dev
2016-06-23 22:03 <osmantis> Bug #7938:04 New AllowedOwnerClass for Grid Administrators to improve management for particular OSSL Functions. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7938 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-06-23 22:03 <osmantis> Bug #7938:04 New AllowedOwnerClass for Grid Administrators to improve management for particular OSSL Functions. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7938 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-06-23 22:40 <osmantis> Bug #7836:04 transferring full perm mesh object arrives no copy no transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7836 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 22:48 <osmantis> Bug #7836:04 transferring full perm mesh object arrives no copy no transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7836 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 23:16 <osmantis> Bug #7901:04 Feature - Additional Permissions Class for Region Script Engine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7901 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-06-23 23:24 <osmantis> Bug #7901:04 Feature - Additional Permissions Class for Region Script Engine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7901 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 23:44 <osmantis> Bug #7836:04 transferring full perm mesh object arrives no copy no transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7836 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 23:51 <osmantis> Bug #7836:04 transferring full perm mesh object arrives no copy no transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7836 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-23 23:53 <osmantis> Bug #7836:04 transferring full perm mesh object arrives no copy no transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7836 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-24 00:00 <osmantis> Bug #7836:04 transferring full perm mesh object arrives no copy no transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7836 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-24 00:01 <osmantis> Bug #7836:04 transferring full perm mesh object arrives no copy no transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7836 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-24 00:02 <osmantis> Bug #7836:04 transferring full perm mesh object arrives no copy no transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7836 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-24 00:06 <osmantis> Bug #7836:04 transferring full perm mesh object arrives no copy no transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7836 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-24 00:06 <osmantis> Bug #7836:04 transferring full perm mesh object arrives no copy no transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7836 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-24 01:40 <Mandarinka_T> Hello ) last opensim-0.9.0-378-gcec5682. when avatar logs off, then after first line [ATTACHMENTS MODULE]: Updating asset for attachment ..  i got warning:
2016-06-24 01:40 <Mandarinka_T> [POLL SERVICE WORKER THREAD]: Error System.NullReferenceException
2016-06-24 01:41 <Mandarinka_T> with HttpServer.HttpClientContext.Send(Byte[] buffer, Int32 offset, Int32 size)
2016-06-24 01:47 <Mandarinka_T> everytime, i log off , udenr this last master version i observe this warning, never seen it before.
2016-06-24 01:54 <diva_> Mandarinka_T: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7936
2016-06-24 01:56 <Mandarinka_T> ah thank you  Diva :))  but that means, it is fixed or not yet ?
2016-06-24 01:56 <diva_> not yet
2016-06-24 01:56 <Mandarinka_T> ok )
2016-06-24 01:56 <Mandarinka_T> all is clear now )
2016-06-24 01:56 <diva_> Melanie_ if you're around ^^
2016-06-24 02:08 <osmantis> Bug #7936:04 Some errors with HTTP server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7936 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-24 02:08 <nebadon> OSgrid robust is updated
2016-06-24 02:09 <nebadon> UserFlag and UserTitle is working again diva_ tahnks
2016-06-24 02:12 <Mandarinka_T> Nebadon, that means, you can see both texts : from userFlags and UserTitle, or just from userTitle ?
2016-06-24 02:12 <nebadon> just UserTitle
2016-06-24 02:12 <nebadon> but are users have a flag of 780
2016-06-24 02:12 <nebadon> so you would get any powers that gives you
2016-06-24 02:12 <nebadon> but have proper usertitle
2016-06-24 02:12 <Mandarinka_T> ok, yes yes got it, so it is liek in 0.8
2016-06-24 02:12 <nebadon> yep
2016-06-24 02:12 <Mandarinka_T> but my dream is, to make display both texts
2016-06-24 02:13 <nebadon> add it to your user title :)
2016-06-24 02:13 <nebadon> im not sure if it can do line breaks though
2016-06-24 02:13 <nebadon> the profile only has 1 line
2016-06-24 02:13 <nebadon> oh maybe it doesnt
2016-06-24 02:13 <Mandarinka_T> that is what i do now, but, that requires manual operation
2016-06-24 02:13 <nebadon> maybe try a /G or whatever the line break is
2016-06-24 02:13 <nebadon> duh \n
2016-06-24 02:14 <Mandarinka_T> i want such situation:  PaymentInfoUsed and MVC Resident, or opposite sequence, first egenrated by userflags and secodn generated by usertitle
2016-06-24 02:14 <nebadon> yes, opensimulator should never display "Linden" ever
2016-06-24 02:14 <Mandarinka_T> you know what i mean ?
2016-06-24 02:14 <nebadon> thats a pretty hard rule
2016-06-24 02:14 <nebadon> but maybe you can do line breaks in the titles not sure
2016-06-24 02:14 <Mandarinka_T> i know how to generate payment texts, but they do not work with usertitle )
2016-06-24 02:15 <nebadon> well there is an option no
2016-06-24 02:15 <nebadon> now*
2016-06-24 02:15 <nebadon> i suppose there could maybe be a 3rd option to do both
2016-06-24 02:15 <Mandarinka_T> i need to create it then )
2016-06-24 02:15 <nebadon> if someone could figure that out and provide a patch
2016-06-24 02:15 <nebadon> im not sure though
2016-06-24 02:15 <nebadon> the problem is some of those codes are hard coded into the viewer
2016-06-24 02:15 <nebadon> mixing them just may not be possible
2016-06-24 02:17 <Mandarinka_T> i feel intuitevely that it requires soem if condition, checks whether userflags is !=0 and then also write with \n second life
2016-06-24 02:17 <nebadon> its probably better to create your own
2016-06-24 02:17 <nebadon> the problem is though
2016-06-24 02:17 <Mandarinka_T> second line i wanted to write haha
2016-06-24 02:17 <nebadon> the viewer has those
2016-06-24 02:17 <nebadon> and we will never put "second life" or "linden" into our code
2016-06-24 02:17 <nebadon> they are trademark / copyright
2016-06-24 02:18 <Mandarinka_T> yes sure i agree, but tell me why youuse 780, and not assum,e 800 ?
2016-06-24 02:18 <Mandarinka_T> 780 is magic in soem way ?
2016-06-24 02:18 <nebadon> honestly I don't know it was Melanie who recommended grid gods be 250/780
2016-06-24 02:19 <nebadon> im not sure if it has any real effect on the viewer
2016-06-24 02:19 <nebadon> probably doesnt
2016-06-24 02:19 <Mandarinka_T> i see, i know other values like 100 or 200  for userflags, but this 780 i have never heard about )
2016-06-24 02:28 <danbanner> <Melanie_> 780 means identified, transacted, and account ype employee (3)
2016-06-24 02:30 <Mandarinka_T> thank you for the info, now i will know )
2016-06-24 03:08 <osmantis> Bug #7933:04 UserTitle is broken or otherwise not being sent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7933 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-06-24 04:08 <osmantis> Bug #7836:04 transferring full perm mesh object arrives no copy no transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7836 ): has been ASSIGNED.
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2016-06-24 07:47 <osmantis> Bug #7853:04 ubODE fails when “sculpt animation” is used. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7853 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-24 08:12 <osmantis> Bug #7936:04 Some errors with HTTP server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7936 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-24 09:02 <osmantis> Bug #7785:04 Owner teleport to regions with a landing point set are not respecting a set limited landing point 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7785 ): has been CLOSED
2016-06-24 09:03 <osmantis> Bug #7786:04 landing point set are not respecting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7786 ): has been CLOSED
2016-06-24 09:04 <osmantis> Bug #7934:04 Grid Gods and Regions owners always ignore Telehubs (Regresssion) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7934 ): has been CLOSED
2016-06-24 10:05 <osmantis> Bug #7937:04 [EVENTQUEUE]: (Enqueue) No queue found for agent ... when placing message AgentGroupDataUpdate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7937 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-06-24 14:54 <osmantis> Bug #7836:04 transferring full perm mesh object arrives no copy no transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7836 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-24 15:12 <diva_> Melanie_ I found the part of the code that is responsible for the change in behavior on permissions. It's in SceneObjectPartInventory, GetRezReadySceneObjects. I'll add this to the mantis, but I'm tempted to revert it myself, because the behavior in 0.8.2 looks much better than the current behavior.
2016-06-24 15:14 <osmantis> Bug #7836:04 transferring full perm mesh object arrives no copy no transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7836 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-24 16:56 <osmantis> Bug #7819:04 volume detect and collisions do not work proprely 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7819 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-24 18:44 <jakdaniels> Hey Plugh, are you still trying to get mono 3.12 onto centos?
2016-06-24 18:45 <Plugh> Not right now.
2016-06-24 18:46 <jakdaniels> Ok.... I just read back a bit and saw you were having issues. I have a repo  that makes it easy to install on centos 6 x64
2016-06-24 18:46 <Plugh> What did you have to do to the main repo of it to make it compile?
2016-06-24 18:48 <jakdaniels> I just built RPMs for it from source... I don't remember exactly, it was back in Feb 2015.  Look at http://el6.ateb.co.uk/ for the repo, the src RPM is there too
2016-06-24 18:50 <jakdaniels> It might be a good start to just yum install that... you should be able to build 4.x then. I have RPMs/SRPMs for 4.3.2 on my local build box here too if that's any help I could upload the SRPM
2016-06-24 18:51 <Plugh> I thought the machine is CentOS based. It uses .deb packages
2016-06-24 18:51 <jakdaniels> it's not cenots then
2016-06-24 18:52 <jakdaniels> look in /etc... if it's centos then there will be a file /etc/redhat-release
2016-06-24 18:53 <Plugh> Doing some digging I see a reference to Debian wheezy.
2016-06-24 18:53 <Plugh> Might be that or a distro that is based on that.
2016-06-24 18:54 <jakdaniels> so.... iirc you can type apt-cache search mono to see what packages are available...
2016-06-24 18:57 <Plugh> that doesn't tell me version information on the packages.
2016-06-24 18:58 <jakdaniels> no... it's a pita... I just tried. Do you have a file /etc/debian_version ?
2016-06-24 18:59 <Plugh> yes
2016-06-24 18:59 <Plugh> It contains 7.11
2016-06-24 19:00 <jakdaniels> so it debian wheezy final update
2016-06-24 19:00 <Plugh> I've asked the owner of the machine to tell me which distro they had installed. I don't often have to deal with anything on the machine. I forget which distro it uses.
2016-06-24 19:00 <Plugh> yea, or a distro based on it.
2016-06-24 19:01 <jakdaniels> http://www.mono-project.com/docs/getting-started/install/linux/
2016-06-24 19:01 <Melanie_> diva_: If you want to touch that you need to know exactly what you're doing re. slam bits etc
2016-06-24 19:01 <jakdaniels> instructions on pulling mono packages for debian
2016-06-24 19:01 <jakdaniels> and to get older releases:
2016-06-24 19:01 <Melanie_> just uncommenting this is more dangerous than to not have in-inventory perms settable
2016-06-24 19:01 <Melanie_> this can lead to privilege escalation using black viewers
2016-06-24 19:01 <jakdaniels> http://www.mono-project.com/docs/getting-started/install/linux/
2016-06-24 19:02 <diva_> Melanie_ I don't, personally. But I'd like to fix it, because it's rrgression. So pretty high priority
2016-06-24 19:02 <Melanie_> i'd prefer if we could hold off
2016-06-24 19:02 <jakdaniels> ooops that's the same url. But scrolled down
2016-06-24 19:02 <Melanie_> in 12 days or so i will have oodles of time, elathough i'll have bad internet
2016-06-24 19:02 <diva_> that's fine
2016-06-24 19:03 <Melanie_> this is a long standing bug, even in avn it never worked right
2016-06-24 19:03 <diva_> I'm actually trying to write a unit test for this, which is proving to be 100x more difficult than to change it back to what it was...
2016-06-24 19:03 <Melanie_> abd i think i need to invest the better part of a week of evenings
2016-06-24 19:03 <Melanie_> don't write tests for it yet
2016-06-24 19:03 <Melanie_> behavior will change
2016-06-24 19:03 <Melanie_> hold off until it's finalized
2016-06-24 19:03 <Melanie_> then lcok it in with tests
2016-06-24 19:04 <Melanie_> else i'll just have to remove the failing tests anyway
2016-06-24 19:04 <diva_> nah, I don't want it to be failing
2016-06-24 19:04 <diva_> I's comment the assertion for now
2016-06-24 19:04 <diva_> but man, writing unit tests in opensim is such a pita!
2016-06-24 19:04 <Melanie_> just don't enable that code
2016-06-24 19:04 <Melanie_> i will take care of it just not now in the middle of moving
2016-06-24 19:04 <diva_> I've been working on it for the past 3 hours, and it's still not working
2016-06-24 19:05 <Melanie_> there is a very basic issue
2016-06-24 19:05 <Melanie_> i will have to touch 10-15 places to make this work
2016-06-24 19:05 <diva_> i mean the test, not the functional code
2016-06-24 19:05 <Melanie_> i know where all the skeletons lie
2016-06-24 19:05 <Melanie_> aah yes
2016-06-24 19:05 <Melanie_> tests are a pita
2016-06-24 19:05 <Melanie_> don't bother writing them for this perms stuff yet
2016-06-24 19:05 <Melanie_> as i said
2016-06-24 19:06 <Melanie_> behavior WILL change
2016-06-24 19:06 <Melanie_> so a test that works now will break then
2016-06-24 19:06 <Melanie_> 0.9 is the time to implement proper slamming
2016-06-24 19:06 <Melanie_> and that will change lots of stuff
2016-06-24 19:06 <diva_> I would be happy just to be able to create an inventory item, give it to another user, have that user rez and check the permissions. And it's taking me 3 hours to do this!
2016-06-24 19:06 <Melanie_> so just please don't touch perms
2016-06-24 19:07 <Melanie_> well, as long as the test won't be active until it's ready
2016-06-24 19:07 <Melanie_> then it's good to have the test
2016-06-24 19:07 <diva_> what a pita!
2016-06-24 19:07 <Plugh> Melanie_: One of these days, when you have some "free time" (um.. what's that?) you can write down what you know about perms. It isn't good that only one person is qualified to touch perms stuff.
2016-06-24 19:07 <diva_> all sorts of obstacles
2016-06-24 19:09 <Plugh> jakdaniels: Thanks. The page will let me get mono 4.4
2016-06-24 19:10 <Plugh> nebadon said he is using it but I'm wary of using anything 4.x with all the issues that seem to exist or keep getting found with mono 4.
2016-06-24 19:10 <jakdaniels> and previous release too if you modify the repo file
2016-06-24 19:10 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-06-24 19:11 <Plugh> I'll have to find out which part of the repo has 3.12
2016-06-24 19:13 <jakdaniels> change "wheezy"  to “wheezy/snapshots/3.12.0” in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mono-xamarin.list I think
2016-06-24 19:17 <jakdaniels> or any version you like :) http://download.mono-project.com/repo/debian/dists/wheezy/snapshots/
2016-06-24 19:19 <Plugh> I've been trying various versions of the URL and arguments but haven't hit the right combo
2016-06-24 19:22 <Plugh> ha. Think I got it at last.
2016-06-24 19:24 <Plugh> Still can't tell which version its going to grab. I can just hope its the right one based on the URL and how its built.
2016-06-24 19:24 <Plugh> deb http://download.mono-project.com/repo/debian wheezy/snapshots 3.12/main
2016-06-24 19:26 <jakdaniels> ok not quite what I have..... on my small ARM based box I have: deb http://download.mono-project.com/repo/debian wheezy/snapshots/3.12.0 main which seems to work, but I guess it doesn't matter
2016-06-24 19:27 <jakdaniels> apt-get update; apt-get install mono-complete is installing 3.12
2016-06-24 19:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #4674 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-06-24 19:33 <Plugh> jakdaniels: I just discovered that -V shows version numbers so I will be able to upgrade to 3.12.1
2016-06-24 19:34 <jakdaniels> 3.12.1 is what you get from the 3.12.0 tree... I'm installing it now on my A10 Lime PC (bit like a raspberry PI)
2016-06-24 19:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4674: SUCCESS in 6 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4674/
2016-06-24 19:34 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Added a test for checking permissions in inventory items that are transferred. This is a work in progress. All permission assertions are commented for now. Will get back to this later when permissions are fixed by Melanie.
2016-06-24 19:37 <Plugh> jakdaniels: btw, I have to use 3.12/main. If 3.12 is appended to the middle part of the source info I get a "conflicting distribution" warning when I do apt-get update.
2016-06-24 19:38 <jakdaniels> ok. I'm not very good with apt... i'm more of a yum person on centos. But it's working for me on my little ARM box, but I had 7.7 not 7.11 on it, maybe that's the difference
2016-06-24 19:38 <Plugh> bah. Now it just tells me 149 packages were kept back and not upgraded.
2016-06-24 19:39 <Plugh> jakdaniels: yea, I'm not that used to apt-*.
2016-06-24 19:39 <jakdaniels> root@a10Lime:/etc/apt/sources.list.d# mono -V
2016-06-24 19:39 <jakdaniels> Mono JIT compiler version 3.12.1 (tarball Fri Mar  6 23:28:08 UTC 2015)
2016-06-24 19:40 <jakdaniels> took a while to install even though it has a sata SSD on it
2016-06-24 19:40 <Plugh> oh, well. I'll work on this another day
2016-06-24 20:02 <djphil> Hi folk, anyone know if that normal or a bug ... if i rez a npc in a region with option OS_NPC_SENSE_AS_AGENT he isn't  detected by osGetRegionStats STATS_CHILD_AGENTS  (in a box into onother region)
2016-06-24 20:02 <djphil> So what is a "real" CHILD_AGENT then ...
2016-06-24 20:03 <djphil> (for info, he is detected proprely by a sensor)
2016-06-24 20:25 <Plugh> If you are in the region where the NPC is and doing a get region stats, the NPC would be a root agent, AFAIK.
2016-06-24 20:29 <Plugh> A child agent would be the agent for an avatar or NPC that is in an adjacent region to the root agent.
2016-06-24 20:30 <djphil> true
2016-06-24 20:31 <djphil> my box with the 01osGetRegionStats01 is in region #1 and the 01OS_NPC_SENSE_AS_AGENT01 npc is on the region #2
2016-06-24 20:33 <djphil> but the box with Stats don't detect the bot as "Child Agent" but as "Root Agent"
2016-06-24 20:33 <Plugh> Do NPC's even have child agents? My understanding is a child agent is used so you can see in to an adjacent region. An NPC wouldn't need to do that.
2016-06-24 20:35 <djphil> My Npc is on a adjacent region, yes
2016-06-24 20:35 <djphil> And i whant detect it as "Child Agen"
2016-06-24 20:36 <djphil> that why i rez is with option 01OS_NPC_SENSE_AS_AGENT
2016-06-24 20:36 <djphil> but it seam no working proprely ...
2016-06-24 20:37 <Plugh> If you don't use that option is the NPC detected if in the same region as your script?
2016-06-24 20:37 <djphil> if i rez a bot with this option into a adjacent region ... then i must be a Child Agent ...
2016-06-24 20:37 <djphil> no, the npc is into another region
2016-06-24 20:37 <djphil> in the same simulator
2016-06-24 20:38 <djphil> region 1 = script with stats
2016-06-24 20:38 <djphil> region 2 = npc (as agent)
2016-06-24 20:38 <Plugh> The question is what type of agent.
2016-06-24 20:38 <djphil> hahaha
2016-06-24 20:39 <djphil> maybee whe need "01OS_NPC_SENSE_AS_AGENT_CHILD" then lol
2016-06-24 20:39 <Plugh> If the NPC isn't detected when the script and NPC are in the same region without that option then it is created without it being marked as a root agent. 
2016-06-24 20:39 <djphil> the npc is detected, but as Root, not as Child
2016-06-24 20:39 <djphil> that wrong
2016-06-24 20:41 <djphil> osGetRegionStats (STATS_CHILD_AGENTS) don't detect proprely a npc in a adjacent region rezzed with 01OS_NPC_SENSE_AS_AGENT option
2016-06-24 20:42 <Plugh> So my two questions stand. 
2016-06-24 20:44 <djphil> If i don't use the option with a npc in the same region the npc is detected as root
2016-06-24 20:44 <djphil> that right
2016-06-24 20:44 <djphil> np with that
2016-06-24 20:44 <djphil> and he is detected proprely with the sensor too
2016-06-24 20:45 <djphil> (i found anothet proplem but the for another mantis lol)
2016-06-24 20:46 <djphil> You think I should do about a mantis STATS_CHILD_AGENTS with OS_NPC_SENSE_AS_AGENT ?
2016-06-24 20:47 <Plugh> You aren't getting an OSSL error that says "NPC allow sense as Avatar disabled"?
2016-06-24 20:47 <djphil> no, i don't see any alert or warning
2016-06-24 20:48 <djphil> just detected as root instead of child
2016-06-24 20:48 <Plugh> I see something in the code that implies an NPC will be seen as an NPC rather than an agent unless the sense as agent flag is used.
2016-06-24 20:48 <djphil> if i TP my avatard to the adjacent region, he is detected proprely as child
2016-06-24 20:50 <djphil> I think there's a bug ...
2016-06-24 20:50 <djphil> no ?
2016-06-24 20:51 <Plugh> hm... if you detect a child for an NPC after a TP out of the region that does indicate that an NPC has (or can have) a child. If that's right, then one would expect there to be children on create.
2016-06-24 20:52 <djphil> no i detect my avatar
2016-06-24 20:52 <djphil> the npc is detected but as Root Agent !!!
2016-06-24 20:54 <djphil> i use the camera zoom to see my box stats to the first region
2016-06-24 20:56 <djphil> hmmm i have no tested with jSonStats :p
2016-06-24 21:53 <osmantis> Bug #7939:04 [NPC] with OS_NPC_SENSE_AS_AGENT is No deteced as Child with osGetRegionStats STATS_CHILD_AGENTS 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7939 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-06-24 22:02 <osmantis> Bug #7819:04 volume detect and collisions do not work proprely 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7819 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-06-24 22:13 <osmantis> Bug #7819:04 volume detect and collisions do not work proprely 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7819 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
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2016-06-25 00:04 <osmantis> Bug #7819:04 volume detect and collisions do not work proprely 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7819 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 00:22 <osmantis> Bug #7912:04 ubODE Physics Crash when colliding mesh at high speed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7912 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 00:54 <osmantis> Bug #7912:04 ubODE Physics Crash when colliding mesh at high speed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7912 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 01:01 <osmantis> Bug #7819:04 volume detect and collisions do not work proprely 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7819 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 01:10 <osmantis> Bug #7912:04 ubODE Physics Crash when colliding mesh at high speed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7912 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 01:12 <osmantis> Bug #7912:04 ubODE Physics Crash when colliding mesh at high speed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7912 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 01:14 <djphil> ping Diva : Hello :) Can you reproduce this on 0.8.2.1 ? http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7885
2016-06-25 01:14 <osmantis> Bug #7912:04 ubODE Physics Crash when colliding mesh at high speed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7912 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 01:15 <djphil> 01ping diva_ : Hello :) Can you reproduce this on 0.8.2.1 ? 01
2016-06-25 01:17 <osmantis> Bug #7912:04 ubODE Physics Crash when colliding mesh at high speed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7912 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 01:17 <osmantis> Bug #7912:04 ubODE Physics Crash when colliding mesh at high speed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7912 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 01:19 <osmantis> Bug #7912:04 ubODE Physics Crash when colliding mesh at high speed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7912 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 01:23 <osmantis> Bug #7912:04 ubODE Physics Crash when colliding mesh at high speed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7912 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 01:34 <osmantis> Bug #7912:04 ubODE Physics Crash when colliding mesh at high speed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7912 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 01:37 <osmantis> Bug #7912:04 ubODE Physics Crash when colliding mesh at high speed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7912 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 02:27 <osmantis> Bug #7912:04 ubODE Physics Crash when colliding mesh at high speed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7912 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 02:32 <osmantis> Bug #7912:04 ubODE Physics Crash when colliding mesh at high speed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7912 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 02:33 <osmantis> Bug #7912:04 ubODE Physics Crash when colliding mesh at high speed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7912 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 02:40 <osmantis> Bug #7912:04 ubODE Physics Crash when colliding mesh at high speed. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7912 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 03:06 <diva_> djphil I have zero idea of what any of that means
2016-06-25 03:08 <djphil> okay
2016-06-25 03:12 <diva_> I'll be bkunt: that mantis is pretty useless from a developers perspective. There's absilutely nothing there that explains what you did, how you configured your sim, etc. Nothing that would allow me to try to reproduce the problem. I'd have to guess pretty much everything, and would probably end up doing something completely different from what you are doing.
2016-06-25 03:12 <diva_> so if you want me to look at it, you have to work a bit harder at explaining what is it that I should do in order to encounter the problem
2016-06-25 03:17 <diva_> For reference, here's an example of an actionable bug report: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7935
2016-06-25 03:18 <diva_> another one: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7768
2016-06-25 03:24 <djphil> i try
2016-06-25 03:24 <osmantis> Bug #7885:04 [ASSET_SERVICE] Get_Texture service corrupted assets texture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7885 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-06-25 03:25 <djphil> I do not see what I could give as additional information for now
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2016-06-25 11:53 <Ubit> djphil what is jOpensim
2016-06-25 11:53 <Ubit> ?
2016-06-25 12:58 <osmantis> Bug #7940:04 Inappropriate definition of flag OS_NPC_NOT_OWNED 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7940 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 13:17 <osmantis> Bug #7940:04 Inappropriate definition of flag OS_NPC_NOT_OWNED 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7940 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 14:10 <osmantis> Bug #7939:04 [NPC] with OS_NPC_SENSE_AS_AGENT is No deteced as Child with osGetRegionStats STATS_CHILD_AGENTS 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7939 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 14:33 <osmantis> Bug #7914:04 Fix for osTeleportAgent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7914 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 15:07 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 15:20 <osmantis> Bug #7927:04 Sub-second timers are raised to next tenth of second 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7927 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 17:20 <osmantis> Bug #7940:04 Inappropriate definition of flag OS_NPC_NOT_OWNED 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7940 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 17:24 <osmantis> Bug #7914:04 Fix for osTeleportAgent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7914 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 17:36 <osmantis> Bug #7914:04 Fix for osTeleportAgent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7914 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 17:39 <osmantis> Bug #7927:04 Sub-second timers are raised to next tenth of second 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7927 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 18:11 <osmantis> Bug #7940:04 Inappropriate definition of flag OS_NPC_NOT_OWNED 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7940 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 18:24 <osmantis> Bug #7768:04 llCollisionSound function does not work in current release V0.9.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7768 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 19:25 <osmantis> Bug #7939:04 [NPC] with OS_NPC_SENSE_AS_AGENT is No deteced as Child with osGetRegionStats STATS_CHILD_AGENTS 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7939 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-06-25 19:39 <osmantis> Bug #6368:04 llCollisionSprite not  implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6368 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-06-25 19:40 <osmantis> Bug #6368:04 llCollisionSprite not  implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6368 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2016-06-25 19:45 <osmantis> Bug #7941:04 llCollisionFilter not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7941 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-06-25 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #7939:04 [NPC] with OS_NPC_SENSE_AS_AGENT is No deteced as Child with osGetRegionStats STATS_CHILD_AGENTS 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7939 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 21:52 <osmantis> Bug #6368:04 llCollisionSprite not  implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6368 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-25 22:08 <osmantis> Bug #7942:04 llTriggerSound only playing sound locally when used in a hud 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7942 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-06-25 22:59 <osmantis> Bug #7768:04 llCollisionSound function does not work in current release V0.9.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7768 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-06-26 03:24 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-26 06:21 <osmantis> Bug #7732:04 on startup, default avatar assets can't be loaded...  (skin,shape,cloth) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7732 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-26 06:37 <osmantis> Bug #7732:04 on startup, default avatar assets can't be loaded...  (skin,shape,cloth) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7732 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-26 07:36 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-26 07:50 <osmantis> Bug #7903:04 Avatars float over seats, LegacySitOffsets has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-06-26 08:08 <osmantis> Bug #7940:04 Inappropriate definition of flag OS_NPC_NOT_OWNED 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7940 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-26 08:12 <osmantis> Bug #7936:04 Some errors with HTTP server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7936 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-26 08:14 <osmantis> Bug #7914:04 Fix for osTeleportAgent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7914 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-26 08:31 <osmantis> Bug #7940:04 Inappropriate definition of flag OS_NPC_NOT_OWNED 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7940 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-26 08:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #4675 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-06-26 08:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4675: SUCCESS in 5 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4675/
2016-06-26 08:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 7942: allow llTriggerSound on HUDs to send sounds to all.
2016-06-26 09:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #4676 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-06-26 09:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4676: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4676/
2016-06-26 09:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let llPlaySound() in HUDs send sound to owner without parcel restriction
2016-06-26 09:18 <osmantis> Bug #7942:04 llTriggerSound only playing sound locally when used in a hud 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7942 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-06-26 09:44 <osmantis> Bug #7940:04 Inappropriate definition of flag OS_NPC_NOT_OWNED 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7940 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-26 10:29 <Ubit> 
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2016-06-26 10:29 <Ubit> lol :p
2016-06-26 10:29 <Mandarinka> )
2016-06-26 10:30 <Mandarinka> Ubit, do you want to discuss it here or on priv ?
2016-06-26 10:30 <Ubit> pvt for now
2016-06-26 10:31 <Ubit> so we can (dis)agree on something :)
2016-06-26 13:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #4677 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-06-26 13:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4677: SUCCESS in 5 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4677/
2016-06-26 13:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add PRIM_OMEGA to llGet(LINK)PrimitiveParams. This will not return same values as spec, because the way our targetomega works. ( only did minor testing)
2016-06-26 13:49 <osmantis> Bug #7209:04 [Script] PRIM_OMEGA return no values 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7209 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-26 15:00 <osmantis> Bug #7880:04 vehicles rezzed by llRezObject die when crossing regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7880 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-26 17:33 <osmantis> Bug #7880:04 vehicles rezzed by llRezObject die when crossing regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7880 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-26 20:04 <djphil> @ Ubit: arfff, I wanted to test PRIM_OMEGA, I thought it was already added in the new version of OSGrid ... but no, it is not added in. Shucks, I'll have to wait a little bit ... but thank you already have alot of added values has PRIM_OMEGA
2016-06-26 20:04 <djphil> :)
2016-06-26 20:10 <djphil> Yet I kept the list of changes before ...: :p http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=shortlog&p=opensim
2016-06-26 20:24 <Ubit> hmm ?
2016-06-26 20:24 <Ubit> [14:46] <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4677: SUCCESS in 5 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4677/
2016-06-26 20:24 <Ubit> [14:46] <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add PRIM_OMEGA to llGet(LINK)Primi
2016-06-26 20:25 <Ubit> well its still not complet and has that problem of not beening compatible
2016-06-26 20:27 <Ubit> err beeninig ?? being !
2016-06-26 20:29 <djphil> Ha ... Here he return NO value :o
2016-06-26 20:29 <Ubit> with your test script on root prim, non physical )
2016-06-26 20:29 <Ubit> ?
2016-06-26 20:29 <djphil> i just update with the last OsGrid release
2016-06-26 20:30 <djphil> i test it in a single prim
2016-06-26 20:30 <Ubit> well i have a prim spining on my test region
2016-06-26 20:30 <djphil> with llGetPrimitiveParams, osGetPrimitiveParams and llGetLinkPrimitiveParams
2016-06-26 20:30 <Ubit> [13:30] Object: 
2016-06-26 20:30 <Ubit> Axis = <0.577350, 0.577350, 0.577350>
2016-06-26 20:30 <Ubit> Spinrate = 0.173205
2016-06-26 20:30 <Ubit> Gain = 1.000000
2016-06-26 20:30 <Ubit> [13:30] Object: <0.577350, 0.577350, 0.577350>, 0.173205, 1.000000
2016-06-26 20:30 <djphil> arfff :s
2016-06-26 20:31 <djphil> why no values here :o lol
2016-06-26 20:31 <Ubit> no ideia
2016-06-26 20:32 <Ubit> check yr sources or git log to see if my code is there
2016-06-26 20:32 <djphil> i test it to a linked prims ... and same, any value returned
2016-06-26 20:32 <djphil> ok
2016-06-26 20:33 <Ubit> lsl_api.cs line 11137 is a coment: // this may return values diferent from SL since we don't handle set the same way
2016-06-26 20:33 <djphil> this is OS i use now : OSgrid OpenSimulator 0.9.0.dev.71404be - [zip] [31.8mb] 06-26-2016
2016-06-26 20:33 <djphil> ok i will check
2016-06-26 20:34 <Ubit> i pushed the code today.. osgrid doesn't have it still
2016-06-26 20:34 <djphil> Hehe Belgium 2 Hongry 0 :)
2016-06-26 20:34 <Ubit> let dan have a sunday :p
2016-06-26 20:34 <djphil> hehe yes :)
2016-06-26 20:35 <Ubit> understud why return value looks diferent ?
2016-06-26 20:35 <djphil> yeeee 3 - 0 now !!!
2016-06-26 20:35 <Ubit> in that case it is actually what you asked...
2016-06-26 20:36 <Ubit> since <1,1,1> is not normalized.. see ?
2016-06-26 20:36 <djphil> i dont found the lsl_api.cs, i continue to shearch it
2016-06-26 20:36 <Ubit> its on opensim git master 
2016-06-26 20:37 <Ubit> ...\OpenSim\Region\ScriptEngine\Shared\Api\Implementation\LSL_Api.cs
2016-06-26 20:37 <Ubit> errr 
2016-06-26 20:37 <Ubit> ......\ OpenSim\Region\ScriptEngine\Shared\Api\Implementation\LSL_Api.cs
2016-06-26 20:37 <djphil> ok but how i can know if OSG use it ...
2016-06-26 20:38 <Ubit> when dan updates the bin
2016-06-26 20:38 <djphil> heh that i don't know
2016-06-26 20:38 <Ubit> ie ask dan :p
2016-06-26 20:38 <djphil> i see 10h ago in tweeter
2016-06-26 20:38 <djphil> toc toc toc danbanner
2016-06-26 20:39 <Ubit> yeap that was adding the triggersound fix
2016-06-26 20:40 <djphil> if you like play with sound code, i can suggest some sounds feature :)
2016-06-26 20:40 <djphil> sound module is poor in Opensim
2016-06-26 20:40 <Ubit> ?
2016-06-26 20:41 <djphil> there is no possibility with alot of the current sound module of opensim
2016-06-26 20:41 <djphil> especially for a dj! :p
2016-06-26 20:41 <Ubit> what you mean?
2016-06-26 20:41 <Ubit> well djs use streams not that
2016-06-26 20:42 <djphil> not always
2016-06-26 20:42 <Ubit> is it better at sl ?
2016-06-26 20:42 <djphil> suggestion exemple : a function to determine audio frequence
2016-06-26 20:42 <Ubit> we can't add that
2016-06-26 20:42 <djphil> that allow to create pretty audio graphs :p
2016-06-26 20:43 <Ubit> ask viewers..
2016-06-26 20:43 <djphil> actuelle we can just play stop and loop
2016-06-26 20:43 <Ubit> but guess they all refuse to add fft code
2016-06-26 20:44 <djphil> is bad :s
2016-06-26 20:44 <Ubit> i will refuse to add it to regions :p
2016-06-26 20:44 <djphil> Hehe :p
2016-06-26 20:45 <djphil> if i remeber, soundlimited is broken too
2016-06-26 20:45 <Ubit> is it ?
2016-06-26 20:45 <djphil> need test/try again
2016-06-26 20:45 <djphil> but in the past is broken
2016-06-26 20:45 <djphil> for a long time ago
2016-06-26 20:45 <Ubit> 0.9 ?
2016-06-26 20:45 <djphil> from*
2016-06-26 20:46 <djphil> 0.8
2016-06-26 20:46 <Ubit> btw that collision sprites seems its also gone at sl
2016-06-26 20:46 <djphil> Yeah ! 4-0 for Belgium !!!
2016-06-26 20:46 <djphil> wowowow
2016-06-26 20:47 <djphil> the best score for Euro 2016 !!!
2016-06-26 20:47 <Ubit> the filter looks a mess, not that usefull
2016-06-26 20:48 <djphil> it is useful to not hear the sound everywhere but just any loan of the object (or 1metre 2)
2016-06-26 20:48 <djphil> for example you have areas with video games (Atari etc ..)
2016-06-26 20:48 <djphil> often on the region you hear the sound of partoput games on the region
2016-06-26 20:49 <djphil> you hear the sound of the games around the region*
2016-06-26 20:49 <djphil> or really too far away from the games
2016-06-26 20:50 <djphil> it removes some of the general realizes
2016-06-26 20:50 <djphil> realism*
2016-06-26 20:51 <djphil> Heh, it seems Dan enjoying his Sunday fireside
2016-06-26 20:51 <djphil> I'll wait for the next OSG without problem
2016-06-26 20:52 <djphil> and wait to close this mantis a little bit
2016-06-26 20:58 <Ubit> well our lltargetomega isn't also as sl one on physical child prims
2016-06-26 20:59 <Ubit> hmmm calling getprimitiveparam imediatly after lltargetomega may return old values
2016-06-26 21:01 <djphil> you mean because of the latency?
2016-06-26 21:01 <Ubit> yeap 
2016-06-26 21:02 <Ubit> hm specially on physical...
2016-06-26 21:02 <Ubit> physics engine is async...
2016-06-26 21:26 <osmantis> Bug #7209:04 [Script] PRIM_OMEGA return no values 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7209 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-26 21:58 <danbanner> ping djphil
2016-06-26 22:00 <danbanner> djphil: sandbox plaza III is running bc4e5d8
2016-06-26 22:00 <djphil> hi Dan
2016-06-26 22:00 <djphil> ok, ty
2016-06-26 22:00 <danbanner> i'll do a new build as soon as there is more to include
2016-06-26 22:00 <djphil> cool!
2016-06-26 22:03 <djphil> something have changed with Physics stats from osGetRegionStats ?
2016-06-26 22:03 <djphil> i mean with STATS_ACTIVE_PRIMS and STATS_PHYSICS_MS
2016-06-26 22:03 <Ubit> change since when?
2016-06-26 22:04 <Ubit> ie 0.9 has changed
2016-06-26 22:04 <djphil> I ask because I have a chart that was all flat mainternant before and it has very high values
2016-06-26 22:04 <Ubit> well should show identical results on active prims
2016-06-26 22:04 <djphil> lets me show you a screen
2016-06-26 22:05 <djphil> ACTIVE_PRIM is Physical prim, right ?
2016-06-26 22:05 <Ubit> yeap
2016-06-26 22:05 <Ubit> physms now depends on the option for stats..
2016-06-26 22:05 <djphil> that a bit confusing ...
2016-06-26 22:06 <djphil> PHYSIC_PRIM is better ;)
2016-06-26 22:06 <djphil> ACTIVE can be a prim with a script inside ... no ?
2016-06-26 22:06 <Ubit> viewers says active objects :)
2016-06-26 22:06 <djphil> heh sacred viewers !
2016-06-26 22:07 <Ubit> well this are stats made for the viewers originaly
2016-06-26 22:08 <Ubit> think is physical prims count only
2016-06-26 22:08 <Ubit> both are giving you odd results ?
2016-06-26 22:09 <djphil> here is the screen http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/99694020160627000751.jpg
2016-06-26 22:09 <Ubit> and what is that? prims or physms ?
2016-06-26 22:10 <djphil> There is little information about it
2016-06-26 22:11 <djphil> Moses did a bit of explanation of these values
2016-06-26 22:11 <Ubit> Moses uses 0,9 ?
2016-06-26 22:11 <djphil> don't know
2016-06-26 22:12 <Ubit> well if thats a moses graph, can't really tell
2016-06-26 22:12 <djphil> but Moses write some infos about theses values
2016-06-26 22:12 <djphil> that allways appreciate :)
2016-06-26 22:12 <Ubit> i did replace theirs stats code on 0.9
2016-06-26 22:12 <djphil> yeap i know
2016-06-26 22:13 <djphil> again viewers blabla lol
2016-06-26 22:13 <Ubit> well was internal math.. etc.. not viewers
2016-06-26 22:13 <djphil> too complicate for me that
2016-06-26 22:14 <Ubit> err except removing stats injected on the pathfinding 
2016-06-26 22:14 <djphil> but you saw my graf ... before it was all flat and you see now
2016-06-26 22:14 <Ubit> didn't like to see viewers having stats on samething we don't have
2016-06-26 22:14 <djphil> How! You working on pathfinding ?
2016-06-26 22:15 <djphil> you know if pathphinding coming soon in OS ?
2016-06-26 22:15 <Ubit> no...  but there where numbers on those stats
2016-06-26 22:15 <djphil> oki
2016-06-26 22:15 <Ubit> ive no plans for that
2016-06-26 22:15 <djphil> Hmmm :p
2016-06-26 22:16 <Ubit> about that graph.. i can't tell anything without details about them
2016-06-26 22:16 <djphil> In the past Rev say ... OS never will pathfindig ;)
2016-06-26 22:16 <Ubit> what is ACTIFS on that graph ? :)
2016-06-26 22:17 <djphil> the script start only when the region have minimum one active prim (physical prim)
2016-06-26 22:18 <djphil> and then i get the physics stats
2016-06-26 22:18 <djphil> the script is the same before/after i made my simumlator update ...
2016-06-26 22:18 <djphil> but befere, my graph is flat
2016-06-26 22:18 <djphil> and you see it now lol
2016-06-26 22:19 <djphil> i have the same graph for scripts
2016-06-26 22:20 <djphil> and no changes
2016-06-26 22:20 <djphil> and another for pakets in/out
2016-06-26 22:22 -!- IgorVorotiloff(~GuyCharle@unaffiliated/igorvorotiloff) has left #opensim-dev
2016-06-26 22:23 <djphil> You know why, when i load a oar from a OS v0.9.x (with bulletsim) to a OS v0.9.x (with ubode) all mesh lose the physics datas (mesh uploaded with physics files) ?
2016-06-26 22:24 <Ubit> [15:23] SayStats: STATS_PHYSICS_MS 0.020370
2016-06-26 22:24 <Ubit> seems coerent eith value displayed in viewer
2016-06-26 22:24 <djphil> my values are in %
2016-06-26 22:24 <Ubit> % of what ?
2016-06-26 22:24 <djphil> a % of total physics prims in the region
2016-06-26 22:25 <Ubit> STATS_PHYSICS_MS ?
2016-06-26 22:25 <djphil> get_pourmille(llList2Float(stats, STATS_PHYSICS_MS), llList2Integer(stats, STATS_ACTIVE_PRIMS));
2016-06-26 22:27 <djphil> float get_pourcent(float min, float max) {return ((100 * min)/max);}
2016-06-26 22:27 <djphil> float get_pourmille(float min, float max) {return ((1000 * min)/max);}
2016-06-26 22:27 <djphil> but this graph is just for fun ...
2016-06-26 22:28 <Ubit> [15:28] SayStats: STATS_PHYSICS_MS 0.021742
2016-06-26 22:28 <Ubit> [15:28] SayStats: STATS_ACTIVE_PRIMS 0.000000
2016-06-26 22:28 <Ubit> [15:28] SayStats: STATS_PHYSICS_MS 0.020811
2016-06-26 22:28 <Ubit> [15:28] SayStats: STATS_ACTIVE_PRIMS 0.000000
2016-06-26 22:28 <Ubit> [15:28] SayStats: STATS_PHYSICS_MS 0.020811
2016-06-26 22:28 <Ubit> [15:28] SayStats: STATS_ACTIVE_PRIMS 0.000000
2016-06-26 22:29 <Ubit> [15:28] SayStats: STATS_PHYSICS_MS 0.033586
2016-06-26 22:29 <Ubit> [15:28] SayStats: STATS_ACTIVE_PRIMS 1.000000
2016-06-26 22:29 <Ubit> [15:28] SayStats: STATS_PHYSICS_MS 0.033586
2016-06-26 22:29 <Ubit> [15:28] SayStats: STATS_ACTIVE_PRIMS 1.000000
2016-06-26 22:29 <Ubit> [15:28] SayStats: STATS_PHYSICS_MS 0.031201
2016-06-26 22:29 <Ubit> [15:28] SayStats: STATS_ACTIVE_PRIMS 1.000000
2016-06-26 22:29 <djphil> i leave the script run
2016-06-26 22:29 <djphil> and using llListStatistics(LIST_STAT_MAX, datas)
2016-06-26 22:29 <Ubit> seems coerent again
2016-06-26 22:29 <djphil> to get the max value Ping
2016-06-26 22:30 <djphil> the spikes in the graph that I showed you are pikes from llListStatistics (LIST_STAT_MAX, datas)
2016-06-26 22:30 <djphil> physics prim used to test stuff using llBuoancy
2016-06-26 22:31 <djphil> for floating balls
2016-06-26 22:31 <Ubit> don't know
2016-06-26 22:31 <Ubit> getstats on those does seem ok
2016-06-26 22:31 <djphil> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlSetBuoyancy
2016-06-26 22:32 <Ubit> in know buoyance
2016-06-26 22:32 <Ubit> i know :p
2016-06-26 22:32 <djphil> Yes it seems ok
2016-06-26 22:32 <djphil> Simply it seems to consume more now
2016-06-26 22:33 <Ubit> should be minimal
2016-06-26 22:33 <djphil> ok
2016-06-26 22:34 <djphil> now i need to limit my script (if val > 100) val = 100 :p
2016-06-26 22:34 <Ubit> now you can also set gravity zero on the root prim
2016-06-26 22:34 <djphil> ha yes
2016-06-26 22:34 <djphil> i will try taht too
2016-06-26 22:34 <djphil> to see diff's
2016-06-26 22:35 <djphil> I see a lot of vehicles improvments
2016-06-26 22:35 <djphil> really nice!
2016-06-26 22:35 <Ubit> you mean in 0.9 ?
2016-06-26 22:35 <djphil> yes, in general
2016-06-26 22:36 <Ubit> where there vehicles in 0.8 ?
2016-06-26 22:36 <Ubit> coff coff cofff :p
2016-06-26 22:36 <djphil> lool
2016-06-26 22:37 <Ubit> ( kidding ;) )
2016-06-26 22:37 <djphil> It's motivating
2016-06-26 22:40 <djphil> i have a strange problem yeasterady
2016-06-26 22:40 <djphil> all my region load without material textures
2016-06-26 22:40 <djphil> and console say (can't load texture on osgrid, textures missing)
2016-06-26 22:40 <djphil> and today the problem is solved ...
2016-06-26 22:41 <djphil> i do nothing, just go to sleep ^^
2016-06-26 22:51 <djphil> ping Ubit, here active prim return negative value :o
2016-06-26 22:51 <Ubit> this morning osg assets server was sleepy ( broken )
2016-06-26 22:51 <djphil> eg: -25, -24 etc ..
2016-06-26 22:51 <djphil> ha ok, ty about OSG assets infos
2016-06-26 22:51 <Ubit> we still have that issue yeap
2016-06-26 22:52 <djphil> haaaa !!!
2016-06-26 22:52 <djphil> that why ma values is out !!!
2016-06-26 22:52 <djphil> my values are*
2016-06-26 22:53 <Ubit> the async nature makes that hard
2016-06-26 22:53 <djphil> ok
2016-06-26 22:53 <Ubit> well also possible we have bugs here and there on that
2016-06-26 22:54 <djphil> but thus I was right, there is something that has changed
2016-06-26 22:54 <djphil> because before he returned positive value
2016-06-26 22:54 <Ubit> like counting down twice on same cases..
2016-06-26 22:54 <Ubit> think this is a old issue
2016-06-26 22:55 <djphil> ok, i will wait the next OSG realses then
2016-06-26 22:55 <djphil> maybee is better
2016-06-26 22:55 <Ubit> well i can add a Math.Abs to hide the - :p
2016-06-26 22:55 <djphil> Hmmm
2016-06-26 22:55 <djphil> :)
2016-06-26 22:55 <Ubit> (kidding :p )
2016-06-26 22:56 <Ubit> if( <0) then = 0  is possible a better tmp fix
2016-06-26 22:56 <Ubit> well not fix.. its stil hidding the base issue
2016-06-26 22:56 <djphil> i don't need 0 but the inverse value
2016-06-26 22:57 <djphil> is value is -25, i need +25
2016-06-26 22:57 <djphil> i can deletesubstring
2016-06-26 22:58 <Ubit> <0 is worng.. the count got desync
2016-06-26 22:59 <djphil> 1 resync lol
2016-06-26 23:01 <djphil> you whant i do a mantis for this or this is allready fixed ?
2016-06-26 23:01 <Ubit> its a old known issue
2016-06-26 23:02 <djphil> kk
2016-06-26 23:02 <djphil> but I did not have this problem just before the update
2016-06-26 23:02 <djphil> why it appears only now?
2016-06-26 23:03 <Ubit> you only seen it now :p
2016-06-26 23:03 <djphil> no
2016-06-26 23:03 <djphil> before i test this value
2016-06-26 23:03 <djphil> because i stop the script if value <= 0
2016-06-26 23:04 <djphil> and start when > 0
2016-06-26 23:04 <djphil> i don't need to know the exact value
2016-06-26 23:04 <djphil> just need to know is is it < or > 0
2016-06-26 23:05 <djphil> i before it work with "x > 0
2016-06-26 23:05 <djphil> now is bloken
2016-06-26 23:05 <djphil> broken*
2016-06-26 23:06 <djphil> if is a old issue, why i don't have problem with it
2016-06-26 23:06 <djphil> that no sense
2016-06-26 23:06 <djphil> if (llList2Integer(stats, STATS_ACTIVE_PRIMS) > 0)
2016-06-26 23:06 <djphil> that what i use before update (and working fine with positive value)
2016-06-26 23:07 <djphil> something have changed ...
2016-06-26 23:08 <Ubit> no deia at this point
2016-06-26 23:08 <djphil> ok
2016-06-26 23:10 <djphil> i can do that ? data =! data;
2016-06-26 23:14 <Ubit> resart the regions more often 
2016-06-26 23:15 <djphil> ok i try that
2016-06-26 23:15 <djphil> something strange
2016-06-26 23:28 <djphil> you are right with "restart" sim
2016-06-26 23:28 <djphil> now positive values are back
2016-06-26 23:28 <djphil> all work well
2016-06-26 23:28 <djphil> but why ?
2016-06-26 23:29 <Ubit> the - show up in time
2016-06-26 23:30 <Ubit> hte longer the region is up, worse
2016-06-26 23:30 <djphil> ok
2016-06-26 23:49 <Ubit> when i had regions up, i did restart them every night at call hours ( script in linux crontab)
2016-06-26 23:49 <Ubit> err at calm hours
2016-06-26 23:50 <Ubit> ( also doing backups )
2016-06-26 23:50 <djphil> hehe
2016-06-26 23:50 <djphil> testin Materials Gravity, work well
2016-06-26 23:50 <Ubit> oars, mysql dums then restart :)
2016-06-26 23:51 <djphil> yeap i always restart when i load a new oar
2016-06-26 23:51 <djphil> but the physics datas are losed
2016-06-26 23:52 <djphil> or something broken with the mesh ...
2016-06-27 02:52 <osmantis> Bug #7880:04 vehicles rezzed by llRezObject die when crossing regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7880 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-27 05:45 <osmantis> Bug #7943:04 Early detection of edges with Hollow Prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7943 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-06-27 06:20 <osmantis> Bug #7732:04 on startup, default avatar assets can't be loaded...  (skin,shape,cloth) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7732 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-27 09:22 <osmantis> Bug #7820:04 osNpcSit does not work well in actual 0.9.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7820 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2016-06-27 09:29 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2016-06-27 09:29 <osmantis> Bug #7157:04 llGetAgentLanguage(llDetectedKey(0)) return always en-us 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7157 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2016-06-27 09:33 <osmantis> Bug #6855:04 [SCRIPT] llDetectedLinkNumber broken with collision in a link set 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6855 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2016-06-27 09:33 <osmantis> Bug #6855:04 [SCRIPT] llDetectedLinkNumber broken with collision in a link set 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6855 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2016-06-27 09:36 <osmantis> Bug #7236:04 [Script] PRIM_PHANTOM does not work for a single prim in a linkset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7236 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2016-06-27 09:37 <osmantis> Bug #7236:04 [Script] PRIM_PHANTOM does not work for a single prim in a linkset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7236 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2016-06-27 18:28 -!- Aramis^(~someone@108-207-141-184.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) has left #opensim-dev
2016-06-27 18:35 <osmantis> Bug #7885:04 [ASSET_SERVICE] Get_Texture service corrupted assets texture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7885 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-06-27 18:52 <djphil> Ce W-E DIva n'avait pas l'air de dire que ce service était abandonné
2016-06-27 18:52 <djphil> Oops wrong windows, sorry
2016-06-27 18:56 <djphil> Diva, have you trying to reproduce the 7885 on Windows Seven ?
2016-06-27 18:56 <djphil> (It's still a major problem that corrupts assets in database)
2016-06-27 18:58 <JeffKelley> maybe you should point to the test code : https://github.com/justinccdev/opensimulator-tools/blob/master/test/texture-load-test/TextureLoadTest/GetTextures.cs
2016-06-27 19:08 <osmantis> Bug #7717:04 [RestConsole] It does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7717 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-06-27 19:10 <djphil> i add it to 7885 Jeff, ty
2016-06-27 19:18 <LiruCookies> Hey... I have a question that people here might be able to answer
2016-06-27 19:18 <LiruCookies> ScriptControlChange has a bool PassToAgent, does anyone know what that bool means?
2016-06-27 23:33 -!- IgorVorotiloff(~GuyCharle@unaffiliated/igorvorotiloff) has left #opensim-dev
2016-06-28 06:31 <ssm2017> hello
2016-06-28 06:32 <ssm2017> what do you think about updating the page http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Dependencies to make a table with mono versions and their opensimulator status ?
2016-06-28 06:33 <ssm2017> il will make a table now with notes already filled and then, if someone can update it, it could be a good point
2016-06-28 06:56 <ssm2017> here is what i have done : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Dependencies#Linux_and_Mac_OSX
2016-06-28 06:56 <ssm2017> please update this table if you have any news
2016-06-28 07:05 <osmantis> Bug #7880:04 vehicles rezzed by llRezObject die when crossing regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7880 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 07:12 <osmantis> Bug #7943:04 Early detection of edges with Hollow Prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7943 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 07:37 <osmantis> Bug #7732:04 on startup, default avatar assets can't be loaded...  (skin,shape,cloth) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7732 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 08:10 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 08:12 <osmantis> Bug #7941:04 llCollisionFilter not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7941 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 08:54 <osmantis> Bug #7828:04 Seated vehicle should not be autoreturned if vehicle owner/group doesn't match current parcel owner/group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7828 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 08:56 <osmantis> Bug #7884:04 Impossibility to push avatar with ubode engine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7884 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 09:45 <osmantis> Bug #7795:04 When rezzed, NPCs drift to edge of sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7795 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 10:27 <osmantis> Bug #7907:04 Large-primcount items create long delay in right-click editing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7907 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 10:29 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 10:30 <osmantis> Bug #7922:04 Contents of prims fail to load when edited 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7922 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 12:13 <osmantis> Bug #7944:04 offline im order is reverted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7944 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-06-28 12:56 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 13:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #4678 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-06-28 13:04 <osmantis> Bug #7936:04 Some errors with HTTP server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7936 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 13:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4678: SUCCESS in 5 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4678/
2016-06-28 13:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  mantis: 7936 replace httpServer_OpenSim.dll with a new one restoring some checks lost in last update
2016-06-28 13:15 <osmantis> Bug #7944:04 offline im order is reverted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7944 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 14:03 <nebadon> Ubit or Melanie_ someone will push these latest http server changes to opensim-libs?
2016-06-28 14:03 <Ubit> i did 
2016-06-28 14:03 <nebadon> im not seeing it on viewgit
2016-06-28 14:03 <nebadon> wierd
2016-06-28 14:03 <Melanie_T> opensim libs isn't notified here
2016-06-28 14:03 <Ubit> err let me check
2016-06-28 14:03 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=shortlog&p=opensim-libs
2016-06-28 14:03 <nebadon> its not showuing in the log
2016-06-28 14:04 <Ubit> seems i did the commit but not the push :)
2016-06-28 14:04 <nebadon> haha ok cool thanks :)
2016-06-28 14:04 <nebadon> glad I mentioned it :)
2016-06-28 14:04 <Ubit> thx :)
2016-06-28 14:37 <osmantis> Bug #7936:04 Some errors with HTTP server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7936 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 15:01 <ssm2017> is it a know issue with fsassets ? : after migration from 0.8.2-pf to 0.9 (today) the simulator is reporting xml parsing errors like "Deserialization of xml failed System.Xml.XmlException: 'None' is an invalid node type"
2016-06-28 15:01 <ssm2017> and a lot of could not find asset
2016-06-28 15:01 <ssm2017> when requesting the asset using curl, i can see that <data> is empty : <data/>
2016-06-28 15:04 <ssm2017> it looks like this is not 7514 symptom because items do not have double xmlns:
2016-06-28 15:23 <ssm2017> mono 3.2.8
2016-06-28 15:24 <JeffKelley> what the asset looks like  in file before / after migration ?
2016-06-28 15:25 <ssm2017> no change in file
2016-06-28 15:25 <JeffKelley> so, not empty ?
2016-06-28 15:26 <ssm2017> no, it is like a llsd parsing issue
2016-06-28 15:27 <Plugh> When loading an IAR, do I have to include "My Inventory" as part of the path to the folder where I want the IAR to be placed?
2016-06-28 15:28 <ssm2017> Plugh "My inventory" is /
2016-06-28 15:28 <JeffKelley> the same asset file is parsed and served correctly by robust 0.8, but not by robust 0.9 ?
2016-06-28 15:30 <ssm2017> exact
2016-06-28 15:30 <JeffKelley> the word 'None' appears in the xml ?
2016-06-28 15:31 <ssm2017> no
2016-06-28 15:33 <Plugh> What is the purpose of the -m (merge) option in "load iar"? Won't it automatically merge the contents of the IAR with the existing inventory of an avatar?
2016-06-28 15:33 <ssm2017> JeffKelley http://pastebin.com/raw/rwGTBZ4h
2016-06-28 15:34 <ssm2017> Plugh the merge option prevents having double folders when loading iar
2016-06-28 15:34 <JeffKelley> <Data> is missing
2016-06-28 15:35 <ssm2017> <data> content is missing but <data> element is here but empty : <data/>
2016-06-28 15:35 <JeffKelley> yes, and <data /> without opening <data> is invalid
2016-06-28 15:36 -!- "what produced the second file from the first ?")
2016-06-28 15:36 <Plugh> ssm2017: Ah, ok. ty
2016-06-28 15:38 <ssm2017> JeffKelley i do not understand the question
2016-06-28 15:40 <JeffKelley> i see two different files, what happened in-between?
2016-06-28 15:40 <ssm2017> this is my question :)
2016-06-28 15:40 <JeffKelley> lol
2016-06-28 15:40 <ssm2017> here is the base64 decoded content : http://pastebin.com/DmUbR8Xw
2016-06-28 15:41 <JeffKelley> the first pastebin is not the content of the file, it is robust's answser instead, correct ?
2016-06-28 15:41 <ssm2017> ah there is a weird symbol at the end...�
2016-06-28 15:42 <JeffKelley> and the second pastebin _is_ the content of the file, still correct ?
2016-06-28 15:46 <ssm2017> ok, found it, i have a "null" character at the end of the llsd...
2016-06-28 15:46 <ssm2017> maybe 0.9 parser is more strict so this is a normal behavior
2016-06-28 15:46 <ssm2017> i will correct the file on disk to check
2016-06-28 15:47 <JeffKelley> is it enough to blow the parser? what happens when you strip it manually?
2016-06-28 15:47 <ssm2017> i have taken the content and tried to parse it with sublime_text and it fails with this "null" trailing char
2016-06-28 15:48 <ssm2017> maybe this issue is not opensimulator related because old assets where made with another script
2016-06-28 15:48 <JeffKelley> ah
2016-06-28 15:48 <JeffKelley> you don't say all :)
2016-06-28 15:49 <ssm2017> i just need to make a script that will remove the "null" char at the end of every asset and wait 3 days for completion :)
2016-06-28 15:49 <JeffKelley> better test before
2016-06-28 15:50 <JeffKelley> should be easy to zap the trailing null with a text editor
2016-06-28 15:51 <ssm2017> this is what i will do now in the example asset to confirm
2016-06-28 15:51 <Plugh> If 0.8 accepts the stray NUL byte and 0.9 doesn't this might be another regression for the list.
2016-06-28 15:52 <JeffKelley> (waiting for the anwser)
2016-06-28 15:52 <ssm2017> Plugh i do not know, i think that the parser is more strict so this is a progression ?
2016-06-28 15:54 <ssm2017> nano sees : ^@
2016-06-28 15:55 <osmantis> Bug #7897:04 NPC Are Not Ignored By Access List 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7897 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-06-28 15:56 <Plugh> yes, and no I suppose. If 0.8 was able to parse the xml without error in 0.8 and not in 0.9 it is a regression. If the parser is being more strict that can be a good thing but it may lead to a lot of complaints if people can no longer use xml they had been using.
2016-06-28 15:57 <JeffKelley> ssm2017's files are not standard fsassets files
2016-06-28 15:59 <ssm2017> removing the trailing char does not correct the issue
2016-06-28 16:00 <ssm2017> my assets where made using a php script cloned from sras
2016-06-28 16:01 <osmantis> Bug #7897:04 NPC Are Not Ignored By Access List 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 16:01 <Plugh> Seems odd that NUL bytes are being included in the XML output.
2016-06-28 16:02 <osmantis> Bug #7940:04 Inappropriate definition of flag OS_NPC_NOT_OWNED 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7940 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 16:02 <ssm2017> i can see it when using /data at the end of the request. (using 0.8 it is exists; using 0.9 nothing is returned (empty file))
2016-06-28 16:03 <osmantis> Bug #7897:04 NPC Are Not Ignored By Access List 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 16:09 <ssm2017> can someone please remember me what is the command line option to get debug ?
2016-06-28 16:11 <ssm2017> ok, seen : help debug :)
2016-06-28 16:22 <nebadon> There is a pretty nasty bug with opensim and the new singularity viewer, I cant make the problem happen in SL
2016-06-28 16:23 <nebadon> according to CmdrCupcake there is indeed a problem in the SL code, but it is made worse by not so optimized code on our end
2016-06-28 16:23 <nebadon> with Task Inventory 
2016-06-28 16:23 <nebadon> to recreate the problem rez out 48 cubes with default wood texture
2016-06-28 16:24 <nebadon> select all 48 cubes and go to to the texture tab, click the texture select window and on that screen hit the "Blank" button
2016-06-28 16:24 <nebadon> you get a nice machine gun of dings
2016-06-28 16:24 <nebadon> and a popup that says > "Unable to add texture. Please wait a few seconds and try again"
2016-06-28 16:24 <nebadon> and what is really strange
2016-06-28 16:25 <nebadon> is all 48 cubes actually turn white on all the sides but the top
2016-06-28 16:25 <nebadon> every single cube the top side surface remains the wood texture
2016-06-28 16:25 <nebadon> but if i select just a single cube and do the same thing its fine
2016-06-28 16:25 <nebadon> so far I cant trigger the same bug in second life
2016-06-28 16:27 <nebadon> even with 768 cubes in SL doesnt happen
2016-06-28 16:34 <osmantis> Bug #7945:04 Unable to add texture. Please wait a few seconds and try again (Singularity 1.8.7) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7945 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-06-28 16:35 <osmantis> Bug #7945:04 Unable to add texture. Please wait a few seconds and try again (Singularity 1.8.7) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7945 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-06-28 16:39 <JeffKelley> texturing multiple selections has been an issue for long, I use to apply a texture 2 or three times to get all sides of all prims textured
2016-06-28 16:39 <nebadon> yes but the popup error is new
2016-06-28 16:39 <nebadon> and the behavior is way more consistent now
2016-06-28 16:39 <nebadon> same exact results every time
2016-06-28 16:40 <nebadon> I attached scerenshots to the mantis
2016-06-28 16:41 <nebadon> what sucks is if you have 500 prims selected
2016-06-28 16:41 <JeffKelley> hope fixing the deterministic issue will solve the random one
2016-06-28 16:41 <nebadon> you get 500 popups
2016-06-28 16:41 <nebadon> basically you have to end task on the viewer
2016-06-28 16:41 <JeffKelley> that sucks
2016-06-28 16:41 <nebadon> or click ok 500 times lol
2016-06-28 16:41 <nebadon> you cant do anything with viewer until they are all cleared
2016-06-28 16:43 <osmantis> Bug #7945:04 Unable to add texture. Please wait a few seconds and try again (Singularity 1.8.7) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7945 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 17:00 <osmantis> Bug #7897:04 NPC Are Not Ignored By Access List 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 17:05 <osmantis> Bug #7897:04 NPC Are Not Ignored By Access List 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 17:14 <osmantis> Bug #7897:04 NPC Are Not Ignored By Access List 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 17:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #4679 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-06-28 17:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4679: SUCCESS in 5 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4679/
2016-06-28 17:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix NPCs OS_NPC_OBJECT_GROUP option. group ID needs to be set during creation, before scenepresence.CompleteMovement, set tittle just after it.
2016-06-28 17:24 <osmantis> Bug #7897:04 NPC Are Not Ignored By Access List 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 17:30 <osmantis> Bug #7897:04 NPC Are Not Ignored By Access List 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 17:31 <Ubit> that textures problem is only on sing?
2016-06-28 17:33 <Ubit> (ubit don't be lazy..  rez 48 boxes and test )
2016-06-28 17:33 <Ubit> yeap worked fine on FS
2016-06-28 17:34 <Ubit> even with 192 prims
2016-06-28 17:35 <Ubit> er fs  4.7.5 (47975) Nov  9 2015
2016-06-28 17:35 <ssm2017> nebadon are you using fsasset 0.9 on osgrid ?
2016-06-28 17:38 <nebadon> I don't know ssm2017, probably not
2016-06-28 17:38 <nebadon> Melanie_ would be the one to ask about that or danbanner
2016-06-28 17:38 <nebadon> AllenKersensky might also know
2016-06-28 17:39 <Ubit> singu 1.8.6 works also
2016-06-28 17:39 <Ubit> grr what did they broke ?
2016-06-28 17:39 <nebadon> I only maintain the main robust and web server for OSgrid
2016-06-28 17:39 <nebadon> Ubit so far I have only experienced it in Singularity
2016-06-28 17:39 <nebadon> CmdrCupcake says that LL is the breaker
2016-06-28 17:39 <nebadon> its upstream
2016-06-28 17:40 <Ubit> i just tested with singu 1.8.6, 192 prims.. all fine ( just slow as usual )
2016-06-28 17:40 <nebadon> "<CmdrCupcake18> it's been a problem for a few months lol, LL's third world enginneering team(ProductEngine) keeps dicking it up"
2016-06-28 17:40 <nebadon> yea we only noticed once we upgraded to latest 1.8.7
2016-06-28 17:41 <ssm2017> ok
2016-06-28 17:41 <nebadon> its definitely a opensim problem only though, i tried really hard to trigger it in SL
2016-06-28 17:41 <Ubit> not in the mood to go hunt for something that can be a viewer bug
2016-06-28 17:41 <nebadon> well its probably a bug on both sides
2016-06-28 17:42 <Ubit> was working... so... why both sides? :p
2016-06-28 17:42 <nebadon> the problem is too we may be waiting forever for LL to fix it
2016-06-28 17:42 <Ubit> possible ll just changed it for its new servers
2016-06-28 17:42 <nebadon> if its a viewer problem why cant i make it happen in SL too
2016-06-28 17:42 <Ubit> and we cannot follow that
2016-06-28 17:42 <nebadon> problem is LL may never fix it
2016-06-28 17:43 <nebadon> the really wierd part
2016-06-28 17:43 <Ubit> no selection was bad.. possible ll changed it for its servers
2016-06-28 17:43 <nebadon> it only effects 1 side of a cube
2016-06-28 17:43 <nebadon> its always the top of the cube
2016-06-28 17:43 <Ubit> and works fine at sl, right ?
2016-06-28 17:44 <nebadon> yes
2016-06-28 17:44 <Ubit> let me see if there is a new FS
2016-06-28 17:44 <nebadon> ya I didnt think to try it with FS
2016-06-28 17:44 <nebadon> i doubt it happens in SL though
2016-06-28 17:44 <Ubit> mine is also ok
2016-06-28 17:44 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/file_download.php?file_id=4560&type=bug
2016-06-28 17:44 <nebadon> you can see in this screenshot what I mean
2016-06-28 17:44 <Ubit> neb SL is changing things, some in ways we can't follow
2016-06-28 17:45 <nebadon> its wierd its only the tops of prims
2016-06-28 17:45 <nebadon> yea, its certainly possible
2016-06-28 17:45 <nebadon> CmdrCupcake seemed to think most of the problem was OpenSim Task Inventory not being very good
2016-06-28 17:45 <nebadon> you can trigger it in Sl
2016-06-28 17:45 <nebadon> but its much much harder to do
2016-06-28 17:45 <nebadon> so far I have not been able to
2016-06-28 17:45 <Ubit> ok let me see with fs 4.7.7
2016-06-28 17:46 <nebadon> its just 1000 times easier to trigger in OpenSim
2016-06-28 17:46 <nebadon> which seems to imply we are partially at fault
2016-06-28 17:48 <misterblue> or we hit  the race condition a little differently
2016-06-28 17:50 <nebadon> ya that is definitely possible
2016-06-28 17:50 <nebadon> I know others have complained about issues recently with Task inventory too
2016-06-28 17:50 <nebadon> if you have like 50+ items in prim inventory
2016-06-28 17:50 <Ubit> that is another issue
2016-06-28 17:51 <Ubit> but there is a mantis on selection of prims yes.. just +900 of them,, that never worked well
2016-06-28 17:51 <nebadon> haha ya
2016-06-28 17:52 <nebadon> thats a bit excessive
2016-06-28 17:52 <nebadon> however I just tested with 768 in SL and it was like butter
2016-06-28 17:52 <nebadon> at ITLP
2016-06-28 17:52 <Ubit> ( still installing fs 4.7.7)
2016-06-28 17:53 <nebadon> though at ITLP when i hit "Blank" and unselected id say like 10% of the prims went back to wood after I unselected
2016-06-28 17:53 <nebadon> but then when i selected them all again it updated and they turned white without me doing anything
2016-06-28 17:54 <Ubit> yeap you need to wait wait wait wait, when selecting many prims
2016-06-28 17:57 <Ubit> new fs worked fine on 192 prims
2016-06-28 17:58 <Ubit> ok second time failed on a few
2016-06-28 17:58 <nebadon> failing how? just texture not changing?
2016-06-28 17:58 <nebadon> or are you actually getting a popup that blocks you from doing anything until you hit ok on all of them?
2016-06-28 17:59 <Ubit> no errors, just some fail
2016-06-28 17:59 <nebadon> ya thats pretty normal
2016-06-28 17:59 <Ubit> actually some did changed a bit after..
2016-06-28 17:59 <Ubit> the usual lonnng timeeee
2016-06-28 17:59 <nebadon> ya 
2016-06-28 17:59 <nebadon> that isnt so bothersome
2016-06-28 18:00 <Ubit> yeap again, all ok...
2016-06-28 18:02 <Ubit> yeap all ok ( or as before ) with fs 4.7.7
2016-06-28 18:02 <Ubit> ( now and then a few fail..  but no error )
2016-06-28 18:03 <Ubit> singu 1.8.7 is current stable ?
2016-06-28 18:03 <nebadon> yea I am guessing singularity may have some newer code perhaps than FS 4.7.7 does
2016-06-28 18:03 <nebadon> yes it was releast last week or so
2016-06-28 18:03 <nebadon> 2 weeks
2016-06-28 18:03 <Ubit> or got clever :p
2016-06-28 18:03 <Ubit> 2 clever ;)
2016-06-28 18:04 <Ubit> ok let me get that also
2016-06-28 18:04 <nebadon> yea, what worries me is they are saying the problem is upstream in the LL code
2016-06-28 18:04 <nebadon> and that we have to wait for them to fix it
2016-06-28 18:04 <nebadon> that may be a fix that never comes
2016-06-28 18:05 <nebadon> and if true will eventually happen with all viewers
2016-06-28 18:05 <Ubit> viewers know SL is moving in directions we can't follow
2016-06-28 18:06 <nebadon> ya this case however seems like maybe something we can address
2016-06-28 18:06 <nebadon> i would think if this was due to some serious change in behavior, like serialization or something it would fail way differently
2016-06-28 18:06 <Ubit> the avatar visualparamenters was something like this..
2016-06-28 18:07 <nebadon> its not like prims have changed in ages in SL
2016-06-28 18:07 <Ubit> but protocol is changing...
2016-06-28 18:07 <Ubit> more http blabla
2016-06-28 18:07 <nebadon> yea
2016-06-28 18:07 <nebadon> hard to say really
2016-06-28 18:08 <nebadon> CmdrCupcake made it sound more like it was incompetence by LL than change
2016-06-28 18:08 <nebadon> and i guess its not such a big deal in SL cause its really hard to trigger it there
2016-06-28 18:08 <nebadon> so far ive found it impossible to trigger infact
2016-06-28 18:09 <Ubit> grrr hate things changing my VS settings
2016-06-28 18:12 <Ubit> yeap broken
2016-06-28 18:16 <Ubit> this seems internal to viewer
2016-06-28 18:16 <Ubit> yeap failed to set tops
2016-06-28 18:17 <Ubit> it fails with just 4 prims
2016-06-28 18:17 <Ubit> make it 2 prims :p
2016-06-28 18:19 <Ubit> hmm its just after selecting
2016-06-28 18:19 <Ubit> if we say ok, next change works
2016-06-28 18:24 <misterblue> it has always been true that, when selecting hundreds of prims, one needed to wait out all the updates.. if you tried to be quick, bad selection/actions would happen
2016-06-28 18:25 <Ubit> yeap
2016-06-28 18:25 <Ubit> but this is something new.. singu displays a message to try later
2016-06-28 18:25 <Ubit> for every fail...
2016-06-28 18:25 <nebadon> yea
2016-06-28 18:25 <Ubit> so.. useless
2016-06-28 18:26 <nebadon> i made the mistake of doing it on a like 1500 prim linkset
2016-06-28 18:26 <Ubit> lol
2016-06-28 18:26 <nebadon> and at the time i assumed it was a fluke cause 1500 prim linkset is so huge
2016-06-28 18:26 <nebadon> but then this morning one of other builders mentioned same thing
2016-06-28 18:26 <nebadon> and his screenshot showed like 10 prims
2016-06-28 18:27 <Ubit> well guess we should just change recomendation to 1.8.6 and tell  not to use 1.8.7
2016-06-28 18:27 <nebadon> ya that would be a shame because 1.8.6 sucks in about 100 other ways
2016-06-28 18:28 <nebadon> that are fixed in 1.8.7
2016-06-28 18:28 <nebadon> like SSL and better MOAP
2016-06-28 18:28 <nebadon> 1.8.7 seems to do a better job rendering massive builds too
2016-06-28 18:28 <Ubit> well you still didn't found the 132 ways where 1.8.7 is broken just only 1 ;)
2016-06-28 18:28 <nebadon> I have a model in Encitra that just doesnt rez fully in 1.8.6
2016-06-28 18:29 <nebadon> but is fine in 1.8.7
2016-06-28 18:31 <Ubit> SHA-1: 9b18f15655d8b13628480a9eb69e8f8259260746
2016-06-28 18:31 <Ubit> * Fix opensim by modernizing
2016-06-28 18:31 <nebadon> what is that?
2016-06-28 18:32 <Ubit> what they called to my fix to the visualparameters problem :p
2016-06-28 18:32 <nebadon> heh
2016-06-28 18:33 <Ubit> they == liru :p
2016-06-28 18:34 <Ubit> hmm md i still have the version where  i did the patch.. let me see
2016-06-28 18:35 <misterblue> someone mentioned a problem with XML serialization... what was the outcome of that discussion?
2016-06-28 18:35 <misterblue> people in the OpenSim meeting are seeing errors when deserializing XML SOG items (can't find UUID, ...)
2016-06-28 18:36 <Ubit> oops meeting ?
2016-06-28 18:36 <Ubit> err where is the meeting ?
2016-06-28 18:37 <misterblue> Wright Plaza
2016-06-28 18:38 <misterblue> has anyone tried the new .NET Core?
2016-06-28 18:39 <nebadon> not recently
2016-06-28 18:41 <nebadon> Plugh, I came to meeting you arent there :P
2016-06-28 18:46 <osmantis> Bug #7897:04 NPC Are Not Ignored By Access List 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 18:51 <Ubit> ohh issues was there when i did the visualparamenters patch :(
2016-06-28 19:03 <ssm2017> misterblue i was speaking earlier about xml serialization issue with fsassets 0.9 (maybe the parser is more strict than 0.8)
2016-06-28 19:05 <misterblue> ssm2017: what error were you seeing?
2016-06-28 19:07 <ssm2017> misterblue "Deserialization of xml failed System.Xml.XmlException: 'None' is an invalid node type" on the simulator side
2016-06-28 19:08 <ssm2017> and when requesting asset using curl, i had : http://pastebin.com/raw/rwGTBZ4h
2016-06-28 19:08 <ssm2017> empty <data/>
2016-06-28 19:09 <misterblue> k... that's a very explicit error
2016-06-28 19:09 <ssm2017> it looks like i have this with items having a trailing 0
2016-06-28 19:09 <misterblue> running mono?
2016-06-28 19:09 <ssm2017> yes 3.2.8
2016-06-28 19:09 <ssm2017> debian 64
2016-06-28 19:09 <ssm2017> debian 8/64
2016-06-28 19:10 <Ubit> what happened to data ?
2016-06-28 19:11 <ssm2017> this is the exact same request using one time robust 0.9 (from this afternoon) and robust 0.8.2-pf
2016-06-28 19:14 <Ubit> well empty data doesn't sound like a god thing
2016-06-28 19:15 <ssm2017> clarification : our asset server was made with php (a sras clone) and then i migrated to fsassets. all is fine with fsassets 0.8 but files made with a trailing 0 are not parsed by fsassets 0.9
2016-06-28 19:20 <misterblue> you mean if the asset UUID ends in a '0', it doesn't get parsed correctly?
2016-06-28 19:21 <ssm2017> yes
2016-06-28 19:22 <ssm2017> this is the difference i have seen with correctly received assets
2016-06-28 19:22 <ssm2017> no
2016-06-28 19:22 <ssm2017> incorrect
2016-06-28 19:22 <ssm2017> not the uuid, the content
2016-06-28 19:22 <ssm2017> if the content ends with a 0
2016-06-28 19:23 <misterblue> the stuff that is inside the <data> element?
2016-06-28 19:24 <ssm2017> the stuff that should be inside the data element (before base64 conversion)
2016-06-28 19:24 <Plugh> nebadon: Oh, right. Today is Tuesday.
2016-06-28 19:25 <ssm2017> example : .......</SceneObjectGroup>
2016-06-28 19:25 <ssm2017> followed by a "null" char
2016-06-28 19:25 <ssm2017> in hex 00
2016-06-28 19:26 <Plugh> nebadon: Several issues today. One of the two hard drives in my main computer died so it is offline until I swap out the bard drive. A family member is away for the day so I've not been downstairs and didn't hear the PDA beep to remind me about the meeting.
2016-06-28 19:26 <nebadon> no worries
2016-06-28 19:26 <nebadon> Ubit and I and misterblue were there
2016-06-28 19:27 <Plugh> Oh, nice. Figures I'm not there and three people who I haven't seen at the meeting (in a while) are there. :P
2016-06-28 19:27 <nebadon> haha
2016-06-28 19:28 <osmantis> Bug #7897:04 NPC Are Not Ignored By Access List 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 19:30 <ssm2017> here is an example of data not beeing parsed : http://pastebin.com/raw/DmUbR8Xw
2016-06-28 19:31 <Ubit> ><UUID><UUID>a59b1432-9a3e-4633-b0d7-9a98b389bf13</UUID></UUID ?
2016-06-28 19:35 <ssm2017> thank you Ubit :) i have not seen it before
2016-06-28 19:39 <osmantis> Bug #7897:04 NPC Are Not Ignored By Access List 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-06-28 22:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4680: SUCCESS in 5 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4680/
2016-06-28 22:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  if a NPC is owned, allow access if ownerID matchs parcel owner or it is in the access list. option OS_NPC_OBJECT_GROUP it still needed if access is by group (this option should also work with not owned NPC) NEEDS TESTING, may prove to be a bad solution
2016-06-28 22:36 <osmantis> Bug #7897:04 NPC Are Not Ignored By Access List 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-28 22:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #4681 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-06-28 22:53 <Ubit> what hell
2016-06-28 22:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4681: FAILURE in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4681/
2016-06-28 22:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  don't try to send initial AgentGroupDataUpdate to NPCs
2016-06-28 22:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #4682 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4680 28 min ago)
2016-06-28 23:04 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-06-28 23:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4682: FIXED in 5 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4682/
2016-06-28 23:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Revert " don't try to send initial AgentGroupDataUpdate to NPCs" this was
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2016-06-29 03:23 <osmantis> Bug #7828:04 Seated vehicle should not be autoreturned if vehicle owner/group doesn't match current parcel owner/group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7828 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2016-06-29 03:50 <djphil> Hi, enyone know somethink about this warrining ?
2016-06-29 03:50 <djphil> http://pastebin.com/dgFPqgnt
2016-06-29 03:51 <djphil> I have this message when i disconnect my avatar
2016-06-29 03:52 <djphil> and my avatar is stuck
2016-06-29 03:52 <djphil> when i try to unstuck with a little tp i get this :
2016-06-29 03:53 <djphil> 05:48:25 - [PHYSICS]: Avatar Position is non-finite!
2016-06-29 03:55 <djphil> and when i shutdown the simulator, à lot of red messages
2016-06-29 03:55 <djphil> 2016-06-29 05:55:13,599 ERROR (1) - OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModule.ubOde.OdePrim [PHYSICS]: PrimGeom destruction BAD DataViz v0.5/956c3d7d-367d-40fd-a368-fafe49b306e8
2016-06-29 03:56 <djphil> and finelly exiting ...
2016-06-29 03:56 <djphil> with other ubODE alerts : http://pastebin.com/u1xR4MRT
2016-06-29 03:58 <osmantis> Bug #7828:04 Seated vehicle should not be autoreturned if vehicle owner/group doesn't match current parcel owner/group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7828 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-06-29 07:33 <ssm2017> YEAH !!! fsasset 0.9 issue solved !!!! :)
2016-06-29 07:33 <ssm2017> when reading the fsasset code i could see this param : UseOsgridFormat
2016-06-29 07:34 <ssm2017> i set it to "True" and now my problems dissapeared
2016-06-29 07:35 <JeffKelley> what is OsgridFormat ?
2016-06-29 07:36 <ssm2017> osgrid was using sras with 2 levels of subfolders on disk and my php asset server was a clone of sras
2016-06-29 07:36 <ssm2017> by default, fsassets is using 3 dir levels
2016-06-29 07:51 <osmantis> Bug #7946:04 [POLL SERVICE WORKER THREAD] Error System NullReferenceException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7946 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-06-29 08:02 <osmantis> Bug #7947:04 [PHYSICS] PrimGeom destruction BAD Segment 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7947 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-06-29 08:09 <osmantis> Bug #7948:04 [Compiler] Exception trying delete old script file 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7948 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-06-29 08:12 <osmantis> Bug #7946:04 [POLL SERVICE WORKER THREAD] Error System NullReferenceException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7946 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2016-06-29 08:19 <osmantis> Bug #7949:04 [APPLICATION]  APPLICATION EXCEPTION DETECTED System.UnhandledExceptionEventArgs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7949 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-06-29 09:22 <osmantis> Bug #7927:04 Sub-second timers are raised to next tenth of second 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7927 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-06-29 09:24 <osmantis> Bug #7927:04 Sub-second timers are raised to next tenth of second 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7927 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-06-29 09:24 <osmantis> Bug #7927:04 Sub-second timers are raised to next tenth of second 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7927 ): has been CLOSED
2016-06-29 10:56 <osmantis> Bug #7947:04 [PHYSICS] PrimGeom destruction BAD Segment 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7947 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-29 11:00 <osmantis> Bug #7946:04 [POLL SERVICE WORKER THREAD] Error System NullReferenceException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7946 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-29 11:15 <Ubit> djphil ping
2016-06-29 11:31 <djphil> pong Ubit
2016-06-29 11:32 <Ubit> that ubode issue
2016-06-29 11:33 <Ubit> happens all the time ?
2016-06-29 11:33 <djphil> wich one ?
2016-06-29 11:34 <Ubit> 0007947: [PHYSICS] PrimGeom destruction BAD Segment 
2016-06-29 11:34 <Ubit> Description My avatar stay stucked !
2016-06-29 11:35 <djphil> not all time, randomly
2016-06-29 11:35 <Ubit> nice to debug :p
2016-06-29 11:35 <djphil> yeah :s
2016-06-29 11:35 <Ubit> well ode dies on that for all scenes
2016-06-29 11:36 <djphil> i working on my sim ... tme passes ... and when i try to move, i can't ...
2016-06-29 11:36 <Ubit> thats a prob of running several regions on same instance...
2016-06-29 11:36 <djphil> 9 regions on 1 instance
2016-06-29 11:37 <Ubit> that is on a region shutdown
2016-06-29 11:37 <Ubit> yeap a problem like this on one kills phsyics in all , thats why you can't move
2016-06-29 11:37 <djphil> i shutdown any other region
2016-06-29 11:38 <djphil> but maybee some info for you
2016-06-29 11:38 <djphil> on this region
2016-06-29 11:38 <djphil> i rez some physics ball's
2016-06-29 11:38 <djphil> twetter bubbles
2016-06-29 11:38 <djphil> maybee that create a problem ?
2016-06-29 11:39 <djphil> ball's use buoancy
2016-06-29 11:39 <Ubit> error is about a prim outof bounds
2016-06-29 11:39 <djphil> ok
2016-06-29 11:39 <Ubit> but that code does handle that.. so im clueless
2016-06-29 11:39 <djphil> ball's have "die at edge"
2016-06-29 11:40 <Ubit> guess its more related to having several regions on a instance
2016-06-29 11:40 <djphil> ok
2016-06-29 11:40 <Ubit> possible that script issue also
2016-06-29 11:41 <djphil> hmmm
2016-06-29 11:41 <Ubit> but not sure
2016-06-29 11:42 <djphil> What kind of script?
2016-06-29 11:42 <Ubit> Summary 0007948: [Compiler] Exception trying delete old script file 
2016-06-29 11:42 <Ubit> Description When i try to restart a region region with console command i get a lot of red warning
2016-06-29 11:42 <Ubit>  (eg: if i have 1000 scripts on the region, i get 1000 warings)
2016-06-29 11:42 <djphil> ha that another bug
2016-06-29 11:42 <djphil> when i use restart region command
2016-06-29 11:43 <Ubit> but that sounds more likelly delete happing with the scripts still running
2016-06-29 11:43 <Ubit> happening..
2016-06-29 11:43 <djphil> i can't make error on all my scripts lol
2016-06-29 11:43 <Ubit> guess restart should have a big delay doing nothing before restart
2016-06-29 11:43 <djphil> i'm not expert but ... :p
2016-06-29 11:44 <Ubit> errr before starting region again, i mean :)
2016-06-29 11:44 <djphil> not sure i undersyand proprely what you mean then
2016-06-29 11:48 <Ubit> regions sizes are the same, diferent, vars ?
2016-06-29 11:49 <djphil> only default size frar all 9 regions
2016-06-29 11:49 <djphil> no var
2016-06-29 11:51 <Ubit> ok
2016-06-29 12:04 <osmantis> Bug #7946:04 [POLL SERVICE WORKER THREAD] Error System NullReferenceException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7946 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-06-29 12:05 <Ubit> ohh thats yrs also :)
2016-06-29 12:05 <osmantis> Bug #7947:04 [PHYSICS] PrimGeom destruction BAD Segment 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7947 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-06-29 12:06 <Ubit> i like ppl talking with in irc and mantis at same time :p
2016-06-29 12:06 <Ubit> ..talking with me ... :)
2016-06-29 12:07 <djphil> np :)
2016-06-29 13:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #4683 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-06-29 13:16 <djphil> hopefully :)
2016-06-29 13:16 <Ubit> :)
2016-06-29 13:16 <djphil> i'm testing torque yesterday
2016-06-29 13:17 <djphil> work fine !
2016-06-29 13:17 <Ubit> nice
2016-06-29 13:17 <djphil> better like targetomega (in my test)
2016-06-29 13:18 <Ubit> hm going for a coffe while osjenkins  does its testing..
2016-06-29 13:19 <djphil> i'm ok for coffee
2016-06-29 13:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4683: SUCCESS in 5 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4683/
2016-06-29 13:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change ubOde module, hopefully for better handling of multiple scenes on same instance. ( may be broken now )
2016-06-29 13:30 <Ubit> ok it did compile :)
2016-06-29 13:35 <Ubit> ooops restarted the wrong region :)
2016-06-29 13:36 <Ubit> hm on the scripts option
2016-06-29 13:36 <Ubit> i mean problem
2016-06-29 13:38 <Ubit> you may set DeleteScriptsOnStartup = false
2016-06-29 13:38 <Ubit> and delete them by hand
2016-06-29 13:38 <Ubit> now and then
2016-06-29 13:39 <Ubit> this should reduce the odds of restart failing because a script file is still marked as opened byt the OS
2016-06-29 13:39 <Ubit> it should also speedup scripts loading at start
2016-06-29 13:40 <djphil> ok i will try now
2016-06-29 13:40 <Ubit> prob is that you will need to delete them now and then
2016-06-29 13:41 <Ubit> in bin/SriptEngines
2016-06-29 13:41 <Ubit> then a folder per region
2016-06-29 13:45 <Ubit> damm groups :(
2016-06-29 13:47 <Ubit> crossing on same instance time its mainly groups :(
2016-06-29 13:48 <Ubit> well with my light avatar and this simple car
2016-06-29 13:58 <djphil> seam better when i set DeleteScriptsOnStartup to false
2016-06-29 13:59 <djphil> now 0 warning :)
2016-06-29 13:59 <djphil> ty!
2016-06-29 13:59 <Ubit> cool, but don't forget now you need to delete them by hand now and then
2016-06-29 14:00 <djphil> every time ?
2016-06-29 14:00 <djphil> arff
2016-06-29 14:00 <Ubit> nahh  just now and then
2016-06-29 14:00 <djphil> ouf!
2016-06-29 14:01 <djphil> but else, if DeleteScriptsOnStartup is set to true
2016-06-29 14:01 <djphil> warnings are normal ?
2016-06-29 14:01 <Ubit> its a problem
2016-06-29 14:01 <djphil> can i close the mantis ?
2016-06-29 14:01 <djphil> ha ok
2016-06-29 14:02 <Ubit> seems to me region is started again 2 fast, still with things ( like scripts) stil running
2016-06-29 14:02 <Ubit> on restart i mean
2016-06-29 14:02 <osmantis> Bug #7948:04 [Compiler] Exception trying delete old script file 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7948 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-06-29 14:03 <djphil> ok, i see
2016-06-29 14:03 <Ubit> but as i said.. with option false, on region start the scripts are already there compiled, so should load a bit faster
2016-06-29 14:03 <djphil> sure
2016-06-29 14:04 <Ubit> When i set DeleteScriptsOnStartup to false and delete the ScriptEngines i get 0 warning. ....
2016-06-29 14:04 <Ubit> you only need to delete  once week... once a month... depending on how much scripts you edit/compile etc
2016-06-29 14:05 <Ubit> ( or when there is a odd problem with one.. )
2016-06-29 14:05 <djphil> if i see red, i delete :)
2016-06-29 14:05 <Ubit> err and changing the opensim version :)
2016-06-29 14:06 <djphil> and waiting fix
2016-06-29 14:06 <Ubit> the folder assetcashe may also grow grow...
2016-06-29 14:06 <Ubit> don't remember if there is option to clean it
2016-06-29 14:07 <djphil> kk
2016-06-29 14:07 <Ubit> ( but first start after cleaning it will that a lot of time... since all assets need to be downloaded from grid
2016-06-29 14:09 <Ubit> will that ???  will take !! 
2016-06-29 14:11 <djphil> yeah but i need to keep folder's when i update
2016-06-29 14:12 <djphil> else a lose some scripts datas
2016-06-29 14:12 <Ubit> well check if the update includes changes to the script engine..
2016-06-29 14:12 <djphil> or i need to rework some script to another way to preserve datas ..
2016-06-29 14:13 <djphil> yep
2016-06-29 14:14 <Melanie_> djphil, Ubit : There is NO need to delete the script files, ever
2016-06-29 14:14 <Ubit> oops :)
2016-06-29 14:14 <Melanie_> you don't need to delete the .state files, the script engine manages those and you don't need to delete the .dll files either
2016-06-29 14:14 <Ubit> hi Melanie_ :)
2016-06-29 14:14 <Melanie_> the rumour that they need to be deleted is an urban myth
2016-06-29 14:15 <Melanie_> it stems from the time whent he on-disk format fo script stuff canged freuently
2016-06-29 14:15 <Melanie_> but it hasn't changed in yers
2016-06-29 14:15 <Melanie_> deleteScriptsOnStartup should NEVER be on unless you're doing debugging and need to test compiles
2016-06-29 14:16 <Melanie_> and no manual deleting is necessary
2016-06-29 14:16 <nebadon> there is one caveat to that
2016-06-29 14:16 <nebadon> if you upgrade mono
2016-06-29 14:16 <Melanie_> it can happen that the engine misses deleting a couple of files that are no longer in use
2016-06-29 14:16 <Melanie_> but the space used is insignificant
2016-06-29 14:16 <nebadon> but having it always on is definitely not good, takes so much longer for sim to start up
2016-06-29 14:17 <nebadon> Wright Plaza takes like 30 minutes to start with that on
2016-06-29 14:17 <nebadon> lol
2016-06-29 14:17 <nebadon> maybe more
2016-06-29 14:17 <Ubit> :)
2016-06-29 14:17 <Melanie_> well yes but i see this from a production/commercial point of view as djphil will probably also see it
2016-06-29 14:17 <Melanie_> which is you don't upgrade for the sake of upgrading
2016-06-29 14:17 <Melanie_> a mono upgrade for avination is 6 months of testing
2016-06-29 14:17 <Melanie_> before we upgrade
2016-06-29 14:17 <Melanie_> and 3 months of reto-fixing
2016-06-29 14:17 <Melanie_> retro
2016-06-29 14:18 <Melanie_> so we don't do it unless we have to
2016-06-29 14:18 <Melanie_> like when we switched from 32 bit servers to 64 bit servers
2016-06-29 14:23 <Ubit> well i still didn't repo either the scripts ( deleteScriptsOnStartup false) or the ubOde crash ( but im using my new code )
2016-06-29 14:23 <Ubit> and my regions are almost empty :(
2016-06-29 14:23 <Ubit> ( and only 2.. i will not fire 9 :p )
2016-06-29 14:27 <Ubit> anyone still uses old ode? ( like LANI ? )
2016-06-29 17:44 <Plugh> It figures. The dead drive in the raid array of my main machine is past its warranty period. :P
2016-06-29 19:43 <osmantis> Bug #7918:04 Opensim lacks a global time sun cycle similar to mainland SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7918 ): has been CLOSED
2016-06-29 21:30 <osmantis> Bug #7885:04 [ASSET_SERVICE] Get_Texture service corrupted assets texture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7885 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-06-29 22:38 -!- IgorVorotiloff(~GuyCharle@unaffiliated/igorvorotiloff) has left #opensim-dev
2016-06-29 23:33 <osmantis> Bug #7950:04 Landmarks made on .9dev sims do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7950 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-06-29 23:40 <osmantis> Bug #7950:04 Landmarks made on .9dev sims do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7950 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-29 23:41 <osmantis> Bug #7950:04 Landmarks made on .9dev sims do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7950 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-29 23:42 <osmantis> Bug #7950:04 Landmarks made on .9dev sims do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7950 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-30 00:12 <osmantis> Bug #7945:04 Unable to add texture. Please wait a few seconds and try again (Singularity 1.8.7) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7945 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-30 00:18 <osmantis> Bug #7945:04 Unable to add texture. Please wait a few seconds and try again (Singularity 1.8.7) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7945 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-30 00:20 <osmantis> Bug #7945:04 Unable to add texture. Please wait a few seconds and try again (Singularity 1.8.7) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7945 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-30 00:44 <osmantis> Bug #7945:04 Unable to add texture. Please wait a few seconds and try again (Singularity 1.8.7) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7945 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-30 02:29 <osmantis> Bug #7945:04 Unable to add texture. Please wait a few seconds and try again (Singularity 1.8.7) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7945 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-30 06:46 <osmantis> Bug #7880:04 vehicles rezzed by llRezObject die when crossing regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7880 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-30 09:35 <osmantis> Bug #7936:04 Some errors with HTTP server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7936 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-30 11:54 <osmantis> Bug #7880:04 vehicles rezzed by llRezObject die when crossing regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7880 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-06-30 16:16 <Uraquitan> hi
2016-06-30 16:17 <Uraquitan> can anyone help with some informations?
2016-06-30 16:49 <jakdaniels_> Uraquitan: how will anyone know if they can help you if you don't say what you need help with. Just ask your questions, and if anyone is about who knows, they might help you.
2016-06-30 16:55 <Uraquitan> ok.. is about xml-RPC.. osgrid has this service?
2016-06-30 16:55 <Uraquitan> or, about mail() lsl, what is the address ?
2016-06-30 16:56 <nebadon> you will be unable to use mail in OSgrid like it works in SL
2016-06-30 16:56 <nebadon> we block email, because it was shown that anyone who hosted a region could literally rip our entire email list for the whole grid
2016-06-30 16:56 <Uraquitan> i mean using mail() server to lsl scripts
2016-06-30 16:57 <nebadon> can you describe better what your goal is/
2016-06-30 16:57 <Uraquitan> so how can i to comunicate different objects with external world?
2016-06-30 16:57 <Uraquitan> well.. i want for example..
2016-06-30 16:57 <nebadon> ok well you could possibly still do that though I dont have any real good examples
2016-06-30 16:57 <nebadon> however
2016-06-30 16:57 <nebadon> my suggestion would be to use html stuff 
2016-06-30 16:58 <nebadon> to communicate through some kind of website/database
2016-06-30 16:58 <Uraquitan> i have 1 object -> send information to web page and the web page sent message to other object(not same)
2016-06-30 16:58 <Uraquitan> with xml-RPC this is ok to make comunications like this
2016-06-30 16:59 <nebadon> yea, that would probably work better than using the LSL email stuff
2016-06-30 16:59 <Uraquitan> resume: osgrid Objet to web Page  - web Page to another osGrid Object
2016-06-30 16:59 <Uraquitan> lsl email need to knows the address UUID@...
2016-06-30 16:59 <Uraquitan> @osgrid.org ?
2016-06-30 17:00 <nebadon> I dont think that will work
2016-06-30 17:00 <Uraquitan> so anyone can do comunications with differenct objects? and external web page?
2016-06-30 17:01 <nebadon> yes but you cant direct stuff through osgrid.org
2016-06-30 17:01 <nebadon> you would need your own web interface to handle your tasks
2016-06-30 17:01 <Uraquitan> so need to have a timer all time checking the server to new requests..
2016-06-30 17:01 <nebadon> i guess technically you could also do your own email as well, but that seems like a terrible way to do it to me
2016-06-30 17:02 <nebadon> yes each prim would need to push/pull
2016-06-30 17:02 <nebadon> all the llHTTP stuff should work
2016-06-30 17:02 <nebadon> for LSL
2016-06-30 17:03 <Uraquitan> with mail() lsl function this is ok. inside osgrid to make comunications like this. And external using xml-RPC. Without both will do many requests
2016-06-30 17:03 <Uraquitan> yes..
2016-06-30 17:03 <Uraquitan> but http_response is good to interactions. To server better xmlRPC
2016-06-30 17:04 <Uraquitan> case no, need to have many requests
2016-06-30 17:04 <nebadon> in OpenSim.ini [Network] section
2016-06-30 17:04 <nebadon> you can set this as well > ExternalHostNameForLSL = "127.0.0.1"
2016-06-30 17:04 <nebadon> to your FQDN
2016-06-30 17:06 <nebadon> there are a bunch of variables in there infact to make things a bit more secure as well
2016-06-30 17:09 <Uraquitan> about the coord. To make a host server, what is the correct value?
2016-06-30 17:11 <nebadon> what do you mean coord?
2016-06-30 17:12 <Uraquitan> registered at 9001,9002 with flags RegionOnline
2016-06-30 17:13 <nebadon> those should get set automatically when the region starts
2016-06-30 17:13 <nebadon> the coordinates would be defined in the Regions.ini of the region itself
2016-06-30 17:13 <nebadon> if you are talking about on OSgrid there is nothing you can do on your end to effect the flags
2016-06-30 17:14 <nebadon> those are reserved for Grid Administration purposes only for the flags
2016-06-30 17:14 <nebadon> if you are talking about your own Robust services, look in Robust.ini it defines what the flags you can set are there
2016-06-30 17:14 <Uraquitan> let me see the log
2016-06-30 17:16 <Uraquitan> show it http://www.syx.com.br/OpenSim.log
2016-06-30 17:16 <nebadon> Registration of region with grid failed, aborting startup due to Region overlaps another region
2016-06-30 17:17 <nebadon> you are trying to use coordinates that someone else is using already
2016-06-30 17:17 <nebadon> you need to find open coordinates 
2016-06-30 17:17 <nebadon> http://www.osgrid.org/index.php/opencoordinates
2016-06-30 17:17 <nebadon> or > http://quickmap.osgrid.org/
2016-06-30 17:17 <nebadon> hover over blue spaces to see free locations
2016-06-30 17:18 <nebadon> then change the coordinates in /bin/Regions/Regions.ini
2016-06-30 17:18 <nebadon> and restart simulator
2016-06-30 17:30 <Uraquitan> let me try
2016-06-30 17:35 <osmantis> Bug #7950:04 Landmarks made on .9dev sims do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7950 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-30 17:35 <osmantis> Bug #7950:04 Landmarks made on .9dev sims do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7950 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-06-30 17:39 <Uraquitan> was it. working. But how can i find the address at osgrid? at map not found
2016-06-30 17:40 <osmantis> Bug #7950:04 Landmarks made on .9dev sims do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7950 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-06-30 23:09 -!- IgorVorotiloff(~GuyCharle@unaffiliated/igorvorotiloff) has left #opensim-dev
2016-07-01 02:59 <Plugh> Its been rather quiet in here today
2016-07-01 03:09 <nebadon> 
ACTION SCREAAAAAAAAAMS

2016-07-01 03:09 <Plugh> :)
2016-07-01 03:13 <Plugh> I almost felt like doing that due to a number of tech issues I'm dealing with.
2016-07-01 05:48 <osmantis> Bug #6461:04 Region-crossing result in a wrong SIM if crossing close to NW corner to west 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6461 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-01 05:50 <osmantis> Bug #6461:04 Region-crossing result in a wrong SIM if crossing close to NW corner to west 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6461 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-07-01 08:06 <osmantis> Bug #7732:04 on startup, default avatar assets can't be loaded...  (skin,shape,cloth) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7732 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-01 11:28 <djphil> Hello :)
2016-07-01 11:28 <djphil> Anyone know if Zephyr Winds System is OpenSource ?
2016-07-01 11:31 <djphil> i see very good mix with PhysX and Zephyr on Inwordz Grid
2016-07-01 11:35 <djphil> ok, i found it !
2016-07-01 11:36 <djphil> https://github.com/InWorldz/halcyon/blob/master/OpenSim/Region/CoreModules/World/Wind/Plugins/ZephyrWind.cs
2016-07-01 11:37 <djphil> is possible to add it to OpenSim ?
2016-07-01 11:38 <djphil> demo here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AINIM3i_920
2016-07-01 12:40 <osmantis> Bug #7936:04 Some errors with HTTP server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7936 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-01 13:28 <Uraquitan> i have a problem with textures.. not loading. 
2016-07-01 13:28 <Ubit> and have a problem with groups all broken now on my work copy :p
2016-07-01 13:29 <Uraquitan> textures working to you?
2016-07-01 13:29 <Ubit> think so yeap
2016-07-01 13:29 <Uraquitan> to me only gray color, to textures, terrain..
2016-07-01 13:29 <Ubit> ( test regions at osg)
2016-07-01 14:21 <Uraquitan> there are some solution to gray textures?
2016-07-01 14:35 <Ubit> yeap... finding the cause :p
2016-07-01 14:35 <Ubit> :)
2016-07-01 14:42 <Uraquitan> i did some configurations but nothing works, always gray to me 
2016-07-01 15:01 <Uraquitan> hey i have 1 question.. i was in other place and works fine the texture.. but at my sim no works. There are any configuration to allow textures in a sim?
2016-07-01 15:11 <Ubit> 
ACTION waits for mad osjenkins..

2016-07-01 15:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #4684 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-01 15:12 <Ubit> ( sorry Uraquitan im a bit busy now :( )
2016-07-01 15:12 <Ubit> your region is at osgrid and what binary are you using ?
2016-07-01 15:15 <Ubit> oops
2016-07-01 15:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4684: SUCCESS in 5 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4684/
2016-07-01 15:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: revert several changes to groups modules (agentGroupData is private). change interregions invite/eject messages, etc
2016-07-01 15:17 <Ubit> err sucess ?
2016-07-01 15:17 <Ubit> ahh ok
2016-07-01 15:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #4685 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-01 15:28 <Ubit> damm still  times out for me.. odd
2016-07-01 15:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4685: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4685/
2016-07-01 15:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: increase xmlrpc timeout in xmlrpcgroups, disable its cache until its entries invalidation is checked
2016-07-01 16:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #4686 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-01 16:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4686: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4686/
2016-07-01 16:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cleanup a bit AgentGroupDataUpdate sending
2016-07-01 17:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #4687 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-01 17:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4687: SUCCESS in 5 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4687/
2016-07-01 17:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a few methods to modify clientview group powers
2016-07-01 17:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #4688 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-01 17:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4688: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4688/
2016-07-01 17:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: save one call to grid to get agent groups powers (xmlrpcgoups only for now
2016-07-01 18:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #4689 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-01 18:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4689: FAILURE in 36 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4689/
2016-07-01 18:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cleanup a bit
2016-07-01 18:25 <Ubit> grr
2016-07-01 18:27 <Ubit> nice page says no fails
2016-07-01 18:28 <nebadon> you mean on jenkins?
2016-07-01 18:28 <Ubit> yeap 
2016-07-01 18:28 <nebadon> you have to log in to see the full console
2016-07-01 18:28 <Ubit> ohh yeap.. lets see
2016-07-01 18:31 <Ubit> oops
2016-07-01 18:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #4690 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4688 53 min ago)
2016-07-01 18:35 <Ubit> dont remember having so much xmlrpc fails on xml groups ( unrelated to my changes i hope)
2016-07-01 18:35 <Ubit> FS is a spammer asking about all groups at login
2016-07-01 18:36 <Ubit> changing timeout to 30s didn't help
2016-07-01 18:37 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-07-01 18:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4690: FIXED in 5 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4690/
2016-07-01 18:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file
2016-07-01 19:07 <Plugh> I can't help with testing anything OS related until I get the replacement HD I've ordered.
2016-07-01 22:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #4691 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-07-01 22:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4691: SUCCESS in 6 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4691/
2016-07-01 22:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: xmlrpcgroups: make use of a forgotten GetMemberGroupProfilemethod, put back xmlrpc cache since it is necessary to prevent folish viewers flooding
2016-07-01 22:44 -!- IgorVorotiloff(~GuyCharle@unaffiliated/igorvorotiloff) has left #opensim-dev
2016-07-01 23:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #4692 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-01 23:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4692: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4692/
2016-07-01 23:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  reduce absurd viewers blind retries of GroupProfileRequest
2016-07-02 00:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #4693 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-02 00:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4693: SUCCESS in 5 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4693/
2016-07-02 00:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  revert to previus GroupProfileRequest because floatsam groups server seems to return wrong values for GroupMembershipCount and GroupRolesCount. this should be fixed because we are getting the full lists just to count number of entries
2016-07-02 01:16 <Melanie_> nebadon: pingpingpig
2016-07-02 01:16 <Melanie_> 05:33:24 - [USER AGENT CONNECTOR]: Unable to contact remote server http://hg.osgrid.org:80/ for GetBoolResponse
2016-07-02 01:16 <Melanie_> 05:33:24 - [GATEKEEPER SERVICE]: Unable to verify identity of agent Melanie Milland. Refusing service.
2016-07-02 01:16 <Melanie_> i can resolve the name, i can ping the server
2016-07-02 02:44 <nebadon> Melanie_ hey sorry was not near computer
2016-07-02 02:44 <nebadon> any luck? I just logged in no problem
2016-07-02 02:45 <nebadon> maybe just need to try a different region or something
2016-07-02 02:58 <Plugh> FYI, I don't think I'll be at the meeting in osgrid on Tuesday. The HD I ordered may not arrive until Friday.
2016-07-02 12:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #4694 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-02 13:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4694: SUCCESS in 6 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4694/
2016-07-02 13:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  dont send bad profiles to viewer
2016-07-02 13:36 -!- Plugh(~Kevin_Coz@CPE000f9f67c5c3-CM000f9f500b9c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has left #opensim-dev
2016-07-02 13:53 <JeffKelley> there is a spammer on opensim-userswho that waits to be spanked
2016-07-02 13:54 <JeffKelley> there is a spammer on opensim-users who waits to be spanked
2016-07-02 14:39 <dan_banner> they have posts starting in may
2016-07-02 15:28 <JeffKelley> november 2015 , score : 10 spams
2016-07-02 15:48 <dan_banner> oh even more than i noticed
2016-07-02 15:49 <dan_banner> i guess as long as theres people that fall for links like that theres gonna be spammers trying 
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2016-07-02 23:21 <Plugh> Evening, nebadon
2016-07-02 23:45 <nebadon> Hello Plugh
2016-07-03 02:47 -!- Aramis^(~someone@108-207-141-184.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) has left #opensim-dev
2016-07-03 04:57 <osmantis> Bug #7951:04 Health is not gradually and automatically back 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7951 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-07-03 05:01 <osmantis> Bug #7952:04 [NPC] No teleported to te center of region when he killed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7952 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-07-03 05:40 <djphil> Ubit : Hi, what is this option OS_NPC_OBJECT_GROUP ?
2016-07-03 08:06 <Ubit> anyone knows the state of libomv noew that lkalif left this bugy world?
2016-07-03 08:31 <Melanie_> Ubit: several of us core members have commit, including diva and myself
2016-07-03 08:31 <Ubit> ok
2016-07-03 09:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #4695 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-03 09:25 <Ubit> well the parcel isnt banned..  lol
2016-07-03 09:28 <Ubit> djphil OS_NPC_OBJECT_GROUP makes the NPC have the same group as the cretaing object
2016-07-03 09:29 <Ubit> you need if to allow the npc to get into a parcel restrticted to a group
2016-07-03 09:29 <djphil> ha ok, don't know
2016-07-03 09:30 <djphil> i don't found any info about it on opensim wiki
2016-07-03 09:30 <djphil> maybee no search at the right place ...
2016-07-03 09:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4695: SUCCESS in 6 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4695/
2016-07-03 09:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: try to place avatars on a nicer location, when they arrive into a banned parcel
2016-07-03 09:31 <Ubit> a few days ago i added code for owned npcs to have access to parcels restrictef by access list
2016-07-03 09:31 <Ubit> guess only me and another user, tested that so far :)
2016-07-03 09:31 <djphil> nice !
2016-07-03 09:32 <djphil> that can be used to make combat npc team
2016-07-03 09:32 <Ubit> uff thats still very confusing
2016-07-03 09:32 <djphil> yeah lol
2016-07-03 09:32 <Ubit> but can't change much, or i will break scripts :(
2016-07-03 09:33 <djphil> we can do team by LSL
2016-07-03 09:33 <djphil> and "taged" npc too
2016-07-03 12:10 <osmantis> Bug #7953:04 coarse location updates are broken on large regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7953 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-07-03 14:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #4696 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-03 14:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4696: SUCCESS in 5 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4696/
2016-07-03 14:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: scale down position X and Y acording to region size on sending coarse Updates. Viewers need to scale up by same amount.
2016-07-03 14:57 <osmantis> Bug #7953:04 coarse location updates are broken on large regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7953 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-03 15:18 <osmantis> Bug #7954:04 Having issues with HUD attachments responding to touch on OS9 Birthday Sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7954 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-07-03 15:24 <osmantis> Bug #7954:04 Having issues with HUD attachments responding to touch on OS9 Birthday Sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7954 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-03 18:24 <osmantis> Bug #7954:04 Having issues with HUD attachments responding to touch on OS9 Birthday Sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7954 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-03 18:35 <osmantis> Bug #7954:04 Having issues with HUD attachments responding to touch on OS9 Birthday Sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7954 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-03 18:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #4697 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-03 18:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4697: SUCCESS in 5 min 36 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4697/
2016-07-03 18:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a lost region size of 256m
2016-07-03 18:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #4698 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-03 18:53 <osmantis> Bug #7954:04 Having issues with HUD attachments responding to touch on OS9 Birthday Sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7954 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-03 18:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4698: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4698/
2016-07-03 18:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: dont try to check CanObjectEntry on a attachment in llSetPos()
2016-07-03 19:11 <osmantis> Bug #7954:04 Having issues with HUD attachments responding to touch on OS9 Birthday Sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7954 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-03 19:11 <osmantis> Bug #7954:04 Having issues with HUD attachments responding to touch on OS9 Birthday Sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7954 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-07-03 19:12 <osmantis> Bug #7954:04 Having issues with HUD attachments responding to touch on OS9 Birthday Sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7954 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-07-03 19:13 <osmantis> Bug #7954:04 Having issues with HUD attachments responding to touch on OS9 Birthday Sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7954 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-03 19:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #4699 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-03 19:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4699: SUCCESS in 5 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4699/
2016-07-03 19:30 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: New config var: DisableObjectTransfer. If set to True, objects never cross; instead they stay in the region, possibly placed outside its borders.
2016-07-03 19:35 <dan_banner> ping diva
2016-07-03 19:36 <dan_banner> is that for vehicles/physical objects or is that for something else?
2016-07-03 19:37 <dan_banner> and how would that impact physical objects if it was enabled?
2016-07-03 20:13 <diva_> dan_banner it's not for physical objects
2016-07-03 20:13 <diva_> I'm not sure how physical objects will do with this, since there is no terrain beyond the borders
2016-07-03 20:13 <diva_> Let me try to check
2016-07-03 20:16 <diva_> lol they fall into infinity :-)
2016-07-03 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #7828:04 Seated vehicle should not be autoreturned if vehicle owner/group doesn't match current parcel owner/group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7828 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-03 21:09 <misterblue> which physics engine falls to infinity, diva_? BulletSim should have a guard plane at -100 or similar
2016-07-03 23:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #4700 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-03 23:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4700: SUCCESS in 6 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4700/
2016-07-03 23:24 <osjenkins> melanie: Finally remove the requirement for an InventoryItem/FolderBase object to
2016-07-03 23:33 <Guest46030> misterblue, I asumed it went to infinity, I didn't follow it all the way. 
2016-07-04 03:29 <osmantis> Bug #7945:04 Unable to add texture. Please wait a few seconds and try again (Singularity 1.8.7) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7945 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-04 03:32 <osmantis> Bug #7945:04 Unable to add texture. Please wait a few seconds and try again (Singularity 1.8.7) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7945 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-04 03:34 <osmantis> Bug #7955:04 Severe Texture Issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7955 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-07-04 07:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4701: FAILURE in 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4701/
2016-07-04 07:39 <Ubit> err  ERROR: Problem fetching from origin / origin - could be unavailable. Continuing anyway
2016-07-04 07:39 <Ubit>  ??
2016-07-04 07:42 <djphil> Ubit, you modify osGetPhysicsEngineName ?
2016-07-04 07:42 <Ubit> modify? added
2016-07-04 07:42 <djphil> added new data returned
2016-07-04 07:43 <Ubit> returns name and version
2016-07-04 07:43 <djphil> I ask because if you change, everyone needs to change in any scripts that use this feature. Why not create a new function for this?
2016-07-04 07:44 <Ubit> isn't this new?
2016-07-04 07:44 <Ubit> the other is osGetPhysicsEngineType()
2016-07-04 07:44 <djphil> ha yes :)
2016-07-04 07:44 <djphil> sorry :p
2016-07-04 07:45 <Ubit> tihis returns "ubOde 1,0"
2016-07-04 07:45 <djphil> and BulletSim v.x.x too ?
2016-07-04 07:45 <Ubit> and no permitions needed ( for now at least )
2016-07-04 07:45 <Ubit> will add to all..  im lazy only added to ubOde :p
2016-07-04 07:46 <djphil> okay
2016-07-04 07:46 <djphil> Allways good to see new function for OpenSim :)
2016-07-04 07:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4702: STILL FAILING in 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4702/
2016-07-04 07:56 <Ubit> grrrr
2016-07-04 07:56 <Ubit> Fetching changes from 1 remote Git repository
2016-07-04 07:56 <Ubit> Fetching upstream changes from git://opensimulator.org/git/opensim
2016-07-04 07:56 <Ubit> Commencing build of Revision 2ebccbcd087aae4bd2273958fac7a4bbf9a3f2a7 (origin/master)
2016-07-04 07:56 <Ubit> Checking out Revision 2ebccbcd087aae4bd2273958fac7a4bbf9a3f2a7 (origin/master)
2016-07-04 07:56 <Ubit> Triggering opensim � mono-2.10.8.1
2016-07-04 07:56 <Ubit> opensim � mono-2.10.8.1 appears to be cancelled
2016-07-04 07:56 <Ubit> opensim � mono-2.10.8.1 completed with result ABORTED
2016-07-04 08:00 <Ubit> what hell did i broke ? :p
2016-07-04 08:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #4703 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4700 8 hr 55 min ago)
2016-07-04 08:19 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-07-04 08:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4703: FIXED in 5 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4703/
2016-07-04 08:19 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add OSSL osGetPhysicsEngineName(). this returns a string with name and version. does no permition checks or it whould be less usefull ( only ubOde returns value)
2016-07-04 08:19 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add EngineName also to old ODE
2016-07-04 08:19 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add EngineName also to the others
2016-07-04 08:19 <Ubit> ok seems osjenkins  was just having a bad time :)
2016-07-04 17:13 <nebadon> misterblue i was trying dotnet core on linux, but not really making any progress with opensim, i am guessing we would need to make some fundemental changes to get it to work correctly
2016-07-04 17:14 <nebadon> its looking for project files that don't exist
2016-07-04 17:14 <nebadon> and there doesnt seem to be a way to actually just launch a .exe file with it
2016-07-04 17:17 <nebadon> the example hello world app worked though :)
2016-07-04 18:04 <Fearghus> Hi all, for several months now whenever i do a git pull of the opensim master it always says "Already up-to-date" even though their are changes. I'm not getting the changes unless i do a completely clean check out. Anybody an idea what the issue with git pull could be?
2016-07-04 18:07 <Plugh1> Fearghus: One possibility is you may be pulling from the wrong repo.
2016-07-04 18:08 <Fearghus> so the original checkout could be wrong already?
2016-07-04 18:09 <Plugh1> Fearghus: Not sure. IIRC,some people were pulling from a mirror of the master git repo.
2016-07-04 18:09 <Plugh1> What URL are you using to retrieve the code via git?
2016-07-04 18:09 <Plugh1> bbiab. 
2016-07-04 18:09 <Fearghus> git clone https://github.com/opensim/opensim.git    is what i used originally
2016-07-04 18:10 <Plugh1> Right. You are pulling from github.
2016-07-04 18:10 <Plugh1> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Developer_Documentation
2016-07-04 18:10 <Plugh1> OpenSimulator uses git as its source code repository. Checkoutgit clone git://opensimulator.org/git/opensim
2016-07-04 18:11 <Plugh1> That copy of the code on github gets a lot of people.
2016-07-04 18:11 <Plugh1> ok, now I'll bbiab.
2016-07-04 18:11 <Fearghus> ah and in the past the mirror was updated but nowadays not anymore perhaps....thanks i'll try the other one
2016-07-04 18:53 <Plugh> Fearghus: I don't know who set up the github copy for the OpenSim code but the opensimulator.org URL is the one to use as it is the main repo where the code development is done.
2016-07-04 19:02 <Fearghus> Yeah i made the checkout from the url mentioned there now and did a new build. Up and running now with the new code so next time there is updates i expect the git pull will work :). Thanks again
2016-07-04 21:38 <diva_> ping misterbluw
2016-07-04 21:38 <diva_> ping misterblue
2016-07-04 21:39 <diva_> Is there any funciton in the physics modules that helps me do ray casting accurately?
2016-07-04 21:43 <Ubit> depends on how accurately :)
2016-07-04 21:44 <diva_> better than llCastRay
2016-07-04 21:44 <diva_> something that doesn't fail on large mesh objects
2016-07-04 21:44 <Ubit> ode modules do physics raycasts
2016-07-04 21:45 <Ubit> bullet does not
2016-07-04 21:45 <diva_> are they usable?
2016-07-04 21:45 <diva_> which function should I look at?
2016-07-04 21:45 <Ubit> test ubOde in your case ( disable that V2 or V3  raycast )
2016-07-04 21:46 <diva_> oh you mean use llCastRay?
2016-07-04 21:46 <Ubit> yeap
2016-07-04 21:46 <diva_> that doesn't seem to use the physcis at all
2016-07-04 21:46 <diva_> or does it?
2016-07-04 21:46 <Ubit> with ubOde it uses physics
2016-07-04 21:46 <diva_> ok, let me try
2016-07-04 21:46 <diva_> so should I enable V3?
2016-07-04 21:46 <diva_> or disable?
2016-07-04 21:46 <Ubit> disable
2016-07-04 21:46 <diva_> ah crap
2016-07-04 21:47 <diva_> my sims are still not in 0.9 dev
2016-07-04 21:47 <diva_> hmm
2016-07-04 21:47 <Ubit> V3 tries dpoing that without physics
2016-07-04 21:47 <diva_> I guess I can try a local test
2016-07-04 21:47 <diva_> does ubODE handle large mesh prims well?
2016-07-04 21:48 <Ubit> hope so :)
2016-07-04 21:48 <diva_> we have mesh terrain, and llCastRay doesn't detect it at all
2016-07-04 21:48 <diva_> with BUllet
2016-07-04 21:48 <diva_> ok, I have to try then
2016-07-04 21:49 <Ubit> i use them for the sits, etc also
2016-07-04 21:51 <Ubit> ( afk for a bit )
2016-07-04 21:55 <diva_> Ubit shuld I worry about this warning?
2016-07-04 21:55 <diva_> 4:54:53 - [PHYSICS]: large mesh data on OdePrim uppsalaMesh_1_3e/8456a200-3c11-4493-8a63-51e3c11d1660, mesh d034824e-53ba-4259-aa7f-edf05e599dec at <384, 128, 0>, 16722 vertices, 99069 indexes
2016-07-04 21:56 <diva_> that's one tile of my terrain btw
2016-07-04 21:56 <diva_> the warning is happening upon loading the oar
2016-07-04 22:02 <Ubit> think its a warning only
2016-07-04 22:04 <Ubit>            if (vertexCount > 64000 || indexCount > 64000)
2016-07-04 22:04 <Ubit>             {
2016-07-04 22:04 <Ubit>                 m_log.WarnFormat("[PHYSICS]: large mes
2016-07-04 22:23 <diva_> omg Ubit, this is awesome!
2016-07-04 22:23 <diva_> it works
2016-07-04 22:23 <Ubit> cool :)
2016-07-04 22:32 <diva_> thanks, this will make my problem much easier! I have traffic models a-la OpenStreetMap, and finding the altitude of the nodes has always been a major pain in the neck.
2016-07-04 22:33 <Ubit> if you don't have things that depend on bullet specifics, cool ( don't see many )
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2016-07-04 23:38 <osmantis> Bug #7956:04 llXorBase64StringsCorrect PHP 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7956 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-07-04 23:42 <osmantis> Bug #7956:04 llXorBase64StringsCorrect PHP 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7956 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-04 23:43 <osmantis> Bug #7956:04 llXorBase64StringsCorrect PHP 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7956 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-04 23:46 <osmantis> Bug #7956:04 llXorBase64StringsCorrect PHP 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7956 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-04 23:46 <Ubit> oops :)
2016-07-04 23:52 <nebadon> OSgrid robust is updated
2016-07-04 23:58 <nebadon> Ubit and Melanie i updated Robust and saw now change really thing worked fine
2016-07-04 23:58 <nebadon> however i updated my simulator to master git and inventory load time went from like 5-6 minutes to about 40 seconds
2016-07-04 23:58 <nebadon> for 50k items
2016-07-04 23:58 <Ubit> guess only mel did changes on that :)
2016-07-04 23:59 <Ubit> and diva ?
2016-07-05 00:00 <nebadon> well i tested my region on few revs back maybe week old or so
2016-07-05 00:00 <nebadon> after updating robust
2016-07-05 00:00 <nebadon> wasnt much change at all
2016-07-05 00:00 <nebadon> still took about 5 minutes
2016-07-05 00:00 <nebadon> once i upgraded the simulator though things got a lot faster
2016-07-05 00:00 <nebadon> maybe the http stuff
2016-07-05 00:07 <Ubit> rezzing old stuff working fine...  inventory was also ok
2016-07-05 00:13 <nebadon> cool
2016-07-05 00:38 <nebadon> well inventory loads super fast at Wright Plaza now
2016-07-05 00:38 <nebadon> but textures there are horrible
2016-07-05 00:39 <nebadon> textues either just dont load unless i select the object or they take ages to load
2016-07-05 00:40 <Ubit> worked ok for me so far
2016-07-05 00:40 <Ubit> well but there are regions caches i guess
2016-07-05 00:40 <nebadon> I am still using Sing 1.8.7 though
2016-07-05 00:41 <nebadon> yea i am logging in with cleared cache
2016-07-05 00:41 <Ubit> im with fs.. 
2016-07-05 00:41 <nebadon> at Wright Plaza?
2016-07-05 00:42 <nebadon> guess not i dont see you on the console
2016-07-05 00:42 <nebadon> try direct login to WP
2016-07-05 00:42 <nebadon> let me try FS
2016-07-05 00:42 <Ubit> im on a friend region now
2016-07-05 00:45 <nebadon> yea i didnt really noticed it at My own region
2016-07-05 00:45 <Ubit> and they work.. one second or 2
2016-07-05 00:45 <nebadon> Wright Plaza has 4000-5000 textures
2016-07-05 00:45 <nebadon> im trying with FS now
2016-07-05 00:46 <nebadon> FS does seem faster
2016-07-05 00:46 <nebadon> maybe its just Singularity
2016-07-05 00:46 <Ubit> should be similar.. but who knows :)
2016-07-05 00:48 <Ubit> FS did disable httppipeline for opensim by default as i requested ( in 4.7.7 )
2016-07-05 00:49 <nebadon> hmm
2016-07-05 00:49 <nebadon> the Use HTTP for textures is not checked in Singularity
2016-07-05 00:49 <nebadon> under Network preferences
2016-07-05 00:50 <nebadon> maybe i should try checking it
2016-07-05 00:50 <Ubit> yeap :)
2016-07-05 00:50 <Ubit> ( but udp isn't all that slow )
2016-07-05 00:50 <nebadon> im wondering if that is the default or something i did myself
2016-07-05 00:50 <nebadon> i dont recall doing that
2016-07-05 00:51 <Ubit> let me check mine 1.8.7
2016-07-05 00:52 <nebadon> checking http doesnt seem to help
2016-07-05 00:53 <nebadon> textures just do not seem to load
2016-07-05 00:53 <Ubit> i had http for both
2016-07-05 00:53 <nebadon> well actually its working a bit better with http
2016-07-05 00:53 <nebadon> but not nearly as good as FS
2016-07-05 00:53 <nebadon> its way slower
2016-07-05 00:56 <nebadon> ya I must have disabled it at some point testing and forgot
2016-07-05 02:23 <osmantis> Bug #7956:04 llXorBase64StringsCorrect PHP 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7956 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-07-05 08:03 <osmantis> Bug #7551:04 [SCRIPT] llGetCenterOfMass() returns the wrong vector 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7551 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2016-07-05 08:03 <osmantis> Bug #7551:04 [SCRIPT] llGetCenterOfMass() returns the wrong vector 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7551 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2016-07-05 08:10 <Ubit> guess that was on 0.8 not 0.9 djphil
2016-07-05 08:15 <djphil> yeah you right
2016-07-05 08:15 <djphil> i'm just retested on 0.9 with ubODE
2016-07-05 08:16 <djphil> and just after see my mantis is taged BulletSim
2016-07-05 08:16 <djphil> so i have no retested under BulletSim
2016-07-05 08:16 <Ubit> think is on core code not physics
2016-07-05 08:17 <djphil> Probably I closed it too quickly mantis
2016-07-05 08:18 <djphil> On actual 0.9 i seam work ...
2016-07-05 08:19 <djphil> it seems to work*
2016-07-05 08:20 <Ubit> and that patch on mantis 7353 does seem wrong.. but well iys outdated
2016-07-05 08:22 <djphil> it return zero vector on a single prim
2016-07-05 08:22 <djphil> and some value in a linkset
2016-07-05 08:22 <Ubit> thats right
2016-07-05 08:22 <djphil> yeah
2016-07-05 08:22 <Ubit> its relative to root prim
2016-07-05 08:22 <djphil> yes
2016-07-05 08:23 <djphil> i don't know how to verify te value returned
2016-07-05 08:23 <Ubit> hmm that patch include also sititng avas
2016-07-05 08:23 <djphil> but it return value ^^
2016-07-05 08:23 <djphil> no tested with avatar sitting here ...
2016-07-05 08:23 <Ubit> don't think that is right from the wiki ( 0.9 does not look into avatars )
2016-07-05 08:24 <Ubit> gmm guess someone needs to go recheck that at SL  :)
2016-07-05 08:24 <djphil> hmmm any change when sitting avatar :s
2016-07-05 08:25 <Ubit> it changed ??
2016-07-05 08:25 <djphil> no
2016-07-05 08:25 <Ubit> ok
2016-07-05 08:25 <Ubit> that old patch whould change
2016-07-05 08:26 <djphil> i just tested now with the scrip)t provided in 7551
2016-07-05 08:51 <osmantis> Bug #7955:04 Severe Texture Issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7955 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-05 09:05 <osmantis> Bug #7955:04 Severe Texture Issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7955 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-05 10:37 <osmantis> Bug #7957:04 Using LSL constants in a list with llList2Json returns JSON_INVALID 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7957 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-07-05 12:16 <osmantis> Bug #7955:04 Severe Texture Issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7955 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-05 12:19 <osmantis> Bug #7955:04 Severe Texture Issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7955 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-07-05 20:35 <Uraquitan> hi. How can i set on Hypergrid ? i did same as the documentation but i cant get teleport
2016-07-05 22:18 <djphil> Ubit : You havn't added Allow_osGetPhysicsEngineName to osslenable.ini
2016-07-05 22:18 <djphil> i see only Allow_osGetPhysicsEngineType
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2016-07-06 04:21 <Mandarinka_tasty> Hi. is there any problem with osgrid asset server now ? I've noticed warning at console now:  "[Assets] Upload failed: {0} - Requeuing asset for another run.", asset.ID.ToString()   That appears within storing map tile
2016-07-06 04:24 <djphil> yes, i have similar problem
2016-07-06 04:25 <Mandarinka_tasty> ok, so that is not just me ) 
2016-07-06 04:26 <djphil> console warning: http://pastebin.com/rn9vLQzA
2016-07-06 04:28 <Mandarinka_tasty> yes, exactly the same, mine refers to storing map tile, but yours also  runign script, i have not logged in region to check other assets yet
2016-07-06 04:29 <Mandarinka_tasty> ah osgrid is offline
2016-07-06 04:29 <Mandarinka_tasty> sth serious is happening
2016-07-06 04:30 <osmantis> Bug #7209:04 [Script] PRIM_OMEGA return no values 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7209 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-07-06 04:31 <djphil> ha maybee osgrid asset server problem then ...
2016-07-06 04:36 <osmantis> Bug #7386:04 [SCRIPT] Scale Factor functions are not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7386 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-07-06 04:37 <Mandarinka_tasty> Those functions Phil, have not been implemented
2016-07-06 04:38 <djphil> yeah, i see :p
2016-07-06 04:39 <djphil> a reminder :)
2016-07-06 04:39 <djphil> these are interesting functions
2016-07-06 04:39 <Mandarinka_tasty> :) yes, it is possible to use workaround with osConsoleCommand
2016-07-06 04:40 <Mandarinka_tasty> osConsoleCommand("edit scale <name> <x> <y> <z>")
2016-07-06 04:40 <djphil> never try
2016-07-06 04:41 <djphil> ... it will then probably simpler to implement.
2016-07-06 04:41 <Mandarinka_tasty> yes, i think so, at least in OSSL style
2016-07-06 06:47 <Ubit> djphil that targetomega thing..
2016-07-06 06:47 <djphil> what ?
2016-07-06 06:48 <Ubit> get returns the same as getOmega
2016-07-06 06:48 <Ubit> axis is the normalized Omega ( so direction)   next parameter is magnitude
2016-07-06 06:49 <Ubit> so if you ask llTargetOmega(<1.0, 1.0, 1.0>, 0.5, 0.5);  the return values will not be the same
2016-07-06 06:49 <Ubit> sinve <1,1,1> is not normalized...
2016-07-06 06:49 <Ubit> see ?
2016-07-06 06:49 <djphil> and for spinrate and gain
2016-07-06 06:49 <djphil> both have strange value
2016-07-06 06:49 <Ubit> we don't suport gain
2016-07-06 06:50 <djphil> ha okay !
2016-07-06 06:50 <Ubit> ok you asked llTargetOmega(<1.0, 1.0, 1.0>, 0.5, 0.5);
2016-07-06 06:50 <djphil> yes
2016-07-06 06:50 <Ubit> lets normalize the vector...
2016-07-06 06:51 <Ubit> norm is 1.732  right ?
2016-07-06 06:51 <djphil> if you say :)
2016-07-06 06:52 <Ubit> so the real spinrate you are asking is  0.5 * 1.732 = 0.866
2016-07-06 06:52 <Ubit> thats the value returned
2016-07-06 06:52 <djphil> ok
2016-07-06 06:52 <Ubit> 1/ 1.732 is about 0.5773
2016-07-06 06:53 <Ubit> so the real axis you asked is  <0.577350, 0.577350, 0.577350>, 
2016-07-06 06:53 <Ubit> as you got with the get
2016-07-06 06:53 <djphil> how you get 1.732 ?
2016-07-06 06:54 <Ubit> sqrt(1 +1 +1)
2016-07-06 06:54 <djphil> ok
2016-07-06 06:54 <Ubit> ie the norm of that vector
2016-07-06 06:54 <Ubit> ( norm = sqrt( x*x +y*y + z*z)
2016-07-06 06:55 <djphil> ok
2016-07-06 06:56 <djphil> i see now from where come all theses values
2016-07-06 06:56 <djphil> ty
2016-07-06 06:57 <Ubit> sl seems to show as you asked, mb they store the values..  we don't
2016-07-06 06:57 <djphil> Have you see above the message for you about osslEnable.ini ?
2016-07-06 06:57 <Ubit> hmm no
2016-07-06 06:57 <djphil> hehe
2016-07-06 06:58 <djphil> 10<djphil> 01Ubit : You havn't added Allow_osGetPhysicsEngineName to osslenable.ini
2016-07-06 06:58 <djphil> 10<djphil> 01i see only Allow_osGetPhysicsEngineType01
2016-07-06 06:58 <Ubit> ahh
2016-07-06 06:58 <Ubit> im not doing any checks on that
2016-07-06 06:58 <djphil> i have :)
2016-07-06 06:58 <Ubit> so no need to add it 
2016-07-06 06:59 <Ubit> hmm ?
2016-07-06 06:59 <djphil> is currently missing
2016-07-06 07:00 <Ubit> djphil   read me.. im not doing any permition checks on GetPhysicsEngineName 
2016-07-06 07:00 <Ubit> permission...
2016-07-06 07:00 <djphil> maybee a grid manager whant disable this function, no ?
2016-07-06 07:00 <Ubit> so its always enabled  ( if ossl is )
2016-07-06 07:00 <djphil> i see
2016-07-06 07:00 <Ubit> that whould break scripts
2016-07-06 07:01 <Ubit> or making it less usefull
2016-07-06 07:01 <djphil> just try to understand
2016-07-06 07:01 <djphil> i try*
2016-07-06 07:02 <Ubit> the argument that knowing phys engine can allow for specific exploits.. well that applies to everything..
2016-07-06 07:02 <Ubit> ( that is the argument to restrict the use of engineType )
2016-07-06 07:02 <djphil> you can know the physic engine with 01osGetPhysicsEngineName
2016-07-06 07:02 <djphil> but with 01osGetPhysicsEngineType too
2016-07-06 07:03 <djphil> that why i no understand ...
2016-07-06 07:03 <Ubit> name also returns the module version
2016-07-06 07:03 <djphil> yes
2016-07-06 07:04 <djphil> why 01Allow_osGetPhysicsEngineType is inside osslEnable and osGetPhysicsEngineName no ?
2016-07-06 07:04 <djphil> just because you say "01osGetPhysicsEngineName" have no restriction ?
2016-07-06 07:05 <Ubit> bc someone else made EngineType and decided that.. i made Name and decided diferently
2016-07-06 07:05 <Ubit> lol
2016-07-06 07:05 <djphil> okay
2016-07-06 07:05 <djphil> hmm
2016-07-06 07:05 <djphil> :)
2016-07-06 07:06 <Ubit> ( this can of course change ..  i don't ( some code decisions  a religion ) )
2016-07-06 07:07 <Ubit> errr
2016-07-06 07:07 <Ubit> ( this can of course change ..  i don't make ( some) code decisions  a religion  )
2016-07-06 07:07 <djphil> Amen :)
2016-07-06 07:07 <djphil> Have youi planed to implement PhysX in the futur ?
2016-07-06 07:07 <Ubit> :)
2016-07-06 07:08 <Ubit> thats a heavy thing
2016-07-06 07:08 <djphil> sure
2016-07-06 07:08 <Ubit> and we already have bullet for now, that is a similar class of engine
2016-07-06 07:09 <djphil> the PhysX code of inwordz simulator can't be used ?
2016-07-06 07:09 <Ubit> didn't look much to that code
2016-07-06 07:10 <Ubit> bc as i said, i think we already have a similar engine ie bullet
2016-07-06 07:10 <djphil> i see he have + a lot onf specific functions
2016-07-06 07:10 <djphil> great demo on youtube
2016-07-06 07:10 <Ubit> if physx is better that bullet or not..  no ideia.. and guess changes with tine
2016-07-06 07:10 <Ubit> with time..
2016-07-06 07:11 <djphil> ubODE isnt similar too ?
2016-07-06 07:11 <Ubit> ode is a simpler engine
2016-07-06 07:11 <djphil> udODE idem ?
2016-07-06 07:12 <djphil> but which may be considered the best then ?
2016-07-06 07:12 <Ubit> im talking about the libraries we use not the opensim side modules
2016-07-06 07:12 <djphil> i see a lot of better results with ubODE
2016-07-06 07:13 <Ubit> now best for opensim it another question...
2016-07-06 07:13 <Ubit> a lot of the extra things Phyx and bullet have, are not used by opensim
2016-07-06 07:13 <djphil> legitimate question :p
2016-07-06 07:14 <Ubit> and then there is the question of the modules that interface opensim to the libraries...
2016-07-06 07:15 <Ubit> so..  today.. i whould say ubOde is the overall best option
2016-07-06 07:15 <Ubit> but.. im biased :p
2016-07-06 07:16 <djphil> ubODE or BulletSim have specific uses?
2016-07-06 07:16 <Ubit> in same cases one may be a better choice.. i guess
2016-07-06 07:16 <Ubit> thats why we have both :)
2016-07-06 07:17 <djphil> ok
2016-07-06 07:17 <Ubit> at the moment ubOde may have a bit more funcionality
2016-07-06 07:18 <djphil> osGetRegionStats STATS_PHYSICS_MS return different value now (in the last OSGrid release)
2016-07-06 07:18 <Ubit> physics sits.. etc
2016-07-06 07:18 <djphil> You have changed somethink ?
2016-07-06 07:18 <Ubit> recently?  don't remember,,  think not
2016-07-06 07:18 <djphil> i use ubODE for now, i work fine
2016-07-06 07:19 <djphil> it seems to me more accurate ...
2016-07-06 07:19 <Ubit> well accuracy isn't a priority goal on this engines
2016-07-06 07:20 <djphil> but sometimes this accuracy appears to be a handicap
2016-07-06 07:20 <Ubit> this are not engenering simulation sistems see ?
2016-07-06 07:20 <djphil> sure
2016-07-06 07:21 <Ubit> the goal is to provide a plausible physics simulation.. not necessary real in all aspects
2016-07-06 07:21 <Ubit> so it can be made in real time and a usuable number ot objects
2016-07-06 07:22 <djphil> ok, interessing to know
2016-07-06 07:22 <Ubit> with...
2016-07-06 07:22 <Ubit> while in  scientific work, most simulation is not done in real time
2016-07-06 07:23 <Ubit> ( weaks or months to simulate a few microseconds :p )
2016-07-06 07:24 <Ubit> vehicle models are a example
2016-07-06 07:24 <djphil> but why avok remain the best ?
2016-07-06 07:24 <Ubit> does it ?
2016-07-06 07:25 <Ubit> seems physX is used now a lot on games
2016-07-06 07:25 <djphil> I think yes
2016-07-06 07:25 <djphil> yeah i read a lot of articles about PhysX
2016-07-06 07:25 <djphil> Always very positive
2016-07-06 07:26 <Ubit> and with nvidia pushing it  also using the gpus,  i whoudl guess it will grow in use
2016-07-06 07:26 <Ubit> you now get the engine packet with the gpu drivers etc
2016-07-06 07:26 <Ubit> packeded
2016-07-06 07:27 <djphil> they remain "just" to put in :p
2016-07-06 07:28 <Ubit> i kinda put havok ( err or is it havoc there are both) bullet and PhysX in similar class
2016-07-06 07:29 <Ubit> sl uses havoc?
2016-07-06 07:29 <Ubit> or havok ? lol
2016-07-06 07:29 <djphil> Havok
2016-07-06 07:30 <Ubit> yeap
2016-07-06 07:30 <djphil> why you say Havoc ?
2016-07-06 07:30 <Ubit> bc there is also a havoc thing
2016-07-06 07:30 <djphil> ha oki
2016-07-06 07:31 <Ubit> ( and my memory is bad lol )
2016-07-06 07:31 <djphil> delete it then
2016-07-06 07:31 <Ubit> ok
2016-07-06 07:32 <djphil> more place for others :)
2016-07-06 07:32 <Ubit> i kinda put havok , bullet and PhysX in similar class ( deleted)
2016-07-06 07:32 <djphil> wrong!
2016-07-06 07:32 <Ubit> oh ?
2016-07-06 07:33 <djphil> remplace the class name with "added"
2016-07-06 07:33 <Ubit> main thing they have and ode doesn't is pseudo continuus colisions ( in time)
2016-07-06 07:34 <Ubit> rest of things.. aren't used on opensim or SL, region side
2016-07-06 07:34 <Ubit> ( particles simulation..  water effects,  fog.. etc )
2016-07-06 07:35 <djphil> this is so much better with
2016-07-06 07:35 <Ubit> deformable bodies..  blablabla
2016-07-06 07:35 <Ubit> most those things are relevante client side.. not region
2016-07-06 07:37 <Ubit> ( use of GPU on colisions pipeline.. well lets see.. )
2016-07-06 07:37 <Ubit> but servers usually don't have powerfull gpus..
2016-07-06 07:38 <djphil> ok
2016-07-06 07:54 <osmantis> Bug #7209:04 [Script] PRIM_OMEGA return no values 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7209 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-06 08:08 <osmantis> Bug #7209:04 [Script] PRIM_OMEGA return no values 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7209 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2016-07-06 08:08 <osmantis> Bug #7209:04 [Script] PRIM_OMEGA return no values 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7209 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2016-07-06 12:58 <Ai> Hi folks... I am seeing lots of red errors on our OSGrid addon region servers with (506) Bad gateway error for assets.osgrid.org. Anyone else see an issue or could ot be my end?
2016-07-06 12:59 <vegaslon> Looks like OSGrid is down right now.
2016-07-06 12:59 <Ai> ah.. thats would explain it :-) Thx
2016-07-06 12:59 <Ai> Funny... typical... we just moved a server and did some IP changes on one of the OSGrid machines, then restrated and this showed up.  Just a coincidence - I hope
2016-07-06 13:02 <Ai> I see in OSGrid stats that its repporting te downtime now.  Thx
2016-07-06 13:03 <Ai> For some reason the stats are updated every hour, so it updated a few minites ago on the hour. 
2016-07-06 13:03 <Ai> OSGrid has been down about 67 minutes it seems
2016-07-06 13:08 <vegaslon> they updated their irc channel with the downtime at  00:00 today
2016-07-06 16:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #4704 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-07-06 16:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4704: SUCCESS in 6 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4704/
2016-07-06 16:46 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  add test option ObjectsCullingByDistance. In future, if true, it may
2016-07-06 16:46 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  add some needed InvalidBoundsRadius() calls
2016-07-06 16:46 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: finish removing child-repri option
2016-07-06 16:46 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: bug fix, etc
2016-07-06 16:46 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: the bug was actually here
2016-07-06 16:47 <Ubit> SUCCESS  you say osjenkins .. lets see the bugs :p
2016-07-06 17:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #4705 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-07-06 18:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let RePrioritization also work on child agents
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2016-07-06 23:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid  InvalidBoundsRadius() calls caused by small changes
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2016-07-07 00:23 <osmantis> Bug #7779:04 llPushObject not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-07 09:48 <ssm2017> hello. the http://forge.opensimulator.org/ is down ?
2016-07-07 10:00 <ssm2017> hello nebadon do you have the ability to restart the forge ?
2016-07-07 11:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #4707 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-07 11:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4707: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4707/
2016-07-07 11:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: move object inventory send to udp queue asset ( was task). Remove a call
2016-07-07 13:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #4708 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-07 13:39 <Ubit> oops
2016-07-07 13:39 <diva_> oh interesting, Ubit! Were we using String?
2016-07-07 13:39 <Ubit> missed the NOT as in this will NOT do
2016-07-07 13:39 <Ubit> yeap
2016-07-07 13:40 <Ubit> but sending is slow by design
2016-07-07 13:41 <Ubit> each 1000byes packet  requires a ack of the previus from the viewer 
2016-07-07 13:41 <Ubit> so at least a full round trip time delay each 1000 bytes
2016-07-07 13:41 <diva_> yes, I know...
2016-07-07 13:41 <Ubit> and i do have 250ms ping to SL :)
2016-07-07 13:42 <diva_> I wonder if the viewer has another route that we don't know about that can receive that file faster
2016-07-07 13:42 <Ubit> yeap we need to check that
2016-07-07 13:42 <diva_> I was testing this with 50 items, and it was taking 71 UDP packets
2016-07-07 13:43 <Ubit> just tested with some 100 prims...  about 70000 bytes
2016-07-07 13:43 <diva_> yep
2016-07-07 13:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4708: FAILURE in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4708/
2016-07-07 13:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  change InventoryStringBuilder. This will do much for mantis 7904 objects inventory sending is slow by design
2016-07-07 13:43 <Ubit> errr fail?
2016-07-07 13:44 <diva_> the delay is unavoidable like this. So if it's faster in SL, the viewer must have some other door
2016-07-07 13:44 <Ubit> my test in SL with some 100 itens failed :)
2016-07-07 13:44 <diva_> oh? 
2016-07-07 13:44 <diva_> how did it fail?
2016-07-07 13:47 <diva_> (I mean the test in SL. The build seems like a spurious failure)
2016-07-07 13:50 <Plugh> Ubit: You said 50 items took 71 UDP packets. Is that before the changes? If so, how is it after the change?
2016-07-07 13:52 <nebadon> I thought SL had a hard limit
2016-07-07 13:52 <nebadon> for how much you could put in an object inventory
2016-07-07 13:54 <Ubit> grr cant find the reason 
2016-07-07 13:54 <nebadon> hmm no i guess not
2016-07-07 13:55 <nebadon> ah they have a warning they may change the limit to 10k items lol
2016-07-07 13:55 <nebadon>  Maximum number of inventory items that can be contained in a prim: None, but more items increase the loading time when you open it.
2016-07-07 13:55 <nebadon>     '''WARNING:''' This may soon change to 10k items per prim. If the change is implemented, prims with >10k items will no longer rez.
2016-07-07 13:55 <Ubit> notthing to do with the changes Plugh, it is the sending protocol
2016-07-07 13:55 <nebadon> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Limits#Inventory
2016-07-07 13:56 <Ubit> 10k ? lol
2016-07-07 13:56 <nebadon> haha thats what their wiki says
2016-07-07 13:56 <nebadon> lol
2016-07-07 13:56 <nebadon> so they obviously must think 10k is acceptable
2016-07-07 13:56 <Ubit> possible they meant 10k bytes :)
2016-07-07 13:56 <nebadon> it says items
2016-07-07 13:56 <Ubit> yeap
2016-07-07 13:57 <Ubit> but i can't find that build error :(
2016-07-07 13:59 <Plugh> Hm... that page also shows the limit of 42 groups. Down from the previous 50 with 60 being the limit for premium accounts.
2016-07-07 14:04 <Ubit> the changed file did compile without error... what hell
2016-07-07 14:11 <Ubit> [exec] /home/jenkins/jobs/opensim/workspace/MONO_VERSION/mono-2.10.8.1/OpenSim.build(288,3):
2016-07-07 14:11 <Ubit>      [exec] External Program Failed: nunit-console2 (return code was 139)
2016-07-07 14:14 <Ubit> segmentation fault ??
2016-07-07 14:16 <ssm2017> hello, is there someone having the key to restart the forge please ?
2016-07-07 14:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #4709 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4707 2 hr 56 min ago)
2016-07-07 14:27 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-07-07 14:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4709: FIXED in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4709/
2016-07-07 14:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  forget InventoryStringBuilder.close()
2016-07-07 14:28 <nebadon> ssm2017 that is one of melanies servers let her know when you see her pop back in, she is still in process of moving to a new house
2016-07-07 14:30 <ssm2017> ok, i will wait then :)
2016-07-07 14:30 <ssm2017> thank you
2016-07-07 14:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #4710 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-07-07 14:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4710: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4710/
2016-07-07 14:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  hide the footprints of my previus bug ( take out comented code
2016-07-07 15:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #4711 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-07 15:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4711: SUCCESS in 4 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4711/
2016-07-07 15:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reduce the initial capacity of  InventoryStringBuilder the 16k i added is
2016-07-07 16:54 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-07 17:00 <osmantis> Bug #7922:04 Contents of prims fail to load when edited 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7922 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-07 18:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #4712 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-07 18:58 <Ubit> bahh silly  we are already working on a sog copy grrr
2016-07-07 18:59 <Ubit> well should do no harm either
2016-07-07 19:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4712: SUCCESS in 4 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4712/
2016-07-07 19:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reduce lock time during object inventory ProcessInventoryBackup
2016-07-07 19:02 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-07 19:40 <JeffKelley> when i rez a box of textures from my inventory, the box belongs to the creator, not me
2016-07-07 19:44 <JeffKelley> errata : it belongs to the last owner
2016-07-07 19:45 <Ubit> what os version?
2016-07-07 19:45 <JeffKelley> last commit
2016-07-07 19:46 <Ubit> and other objects ?
2016-07-07 19:46 <JeffKelley> i wanted to test 7904, dropped a texture box and bam! not mine
2016-07-07 19:46 <JeffKelley> yes, other objects too
2016-07-07 19:47 <Ubit> odd
2016-07-07 19:51 <Ubit> worked ok for me
2016-07-07 19:52 <Ubit> on a test sandbox..
2016-07-07 19:53 <JeffKelley> i have a 0.8 and a 0.9 regions side to side, same 0.8 robust
2016-07-07 19:54 <JeffKelley> rez an object on the 0.8 side, it's mine ; rez same object on the 0.9 side, belongs to last owner
2016-07-07 19:55 <Ubit> strange :(
2016-07-07 19:55 <Ubit> a private grid ?
2016-07-07 19:55 <JeffKelley> public
2016-07-07 20:01 <diva_> Ubit check this commit, maybe I overlooked something: 34b308d5b6d2a34e6607aa2b67f01c0f207635b4
2016-07-07 20:02 <diva_> maybe the test should  be if (OwnerID != part.OwnerID
2016-07-07 20:02 <Ubit> possible
2016-07-07 20:03 <diva_> let me look at it quickly, I'll fix it
2016-07-07 20:03 <Ubit> ok
2016-07-07 20:03 <Ubit> jelly you can compile master ?
2016-07-07 20:03 <JeffKelley> yes
2016-07-07 20:05 <Ubit> quick test, in file SceneObjectGroup.cs, in public void SetOwnerId(UUID userId)  around line 2124, coment the line if (OwnerID != userId) 
2016-07-07 20:05 <diva_> no please don't comment
2016-07-07 20:06 <diva_> hold on, I"m pushing the right fix
2016-07-07 20:06 <Ubit> well ok then :)
2016-07-07 20:06 <Ubit> was just to check it its really there ;)
2016-07-07 20:06 <diva_> I'm pretty sure it's that
2016-07-07 20:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #4713 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-07 20:07 <Ubit> ok
2016-07-07 20:07 <diva_> JeffKelley try this
2016-07-07 20:07 <JeffKelley> tell me when i can pull
2016-07-07 20:07 <JeffKelley> ok, got the commit
2016-07-07 20:10 <Ubit> SetOwnerId() before this was overriding  lastowner in some code paths ?
2016-07-07 20:11 <JeffKelley> no change
2016-07-07 20:11 <diva_> well, sort of. That statement wasn't there. The setting of lastOwnerID was scattered throughout
2016-07-07 20:11 <diva_> ok, then it's not that
2016-07-07 20:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4713: SUCCESS in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4713/
2016-07-07 20:11 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Correction of a test introduced in 34b308d5b6d2a34e6607aa2b67f01c0f207635b4
2016-07-07 20:12 <Ubit> well it worked on on my sandbox :(
2016-07-07 20:12 <Ubit> worked ok
2016-07-07 20:17 <Ubit> oops
2016-07-07 20:18 <Ubit> public void SetRootPartOwner(SceneObjectPart part, UUID cAgentID, UUID cGroupID)
2016-07-07 20:18 <Ubit>         {
2016-07-07 20:18 <Ubit>             part.LastOwnerID = part.OwnerID;
2016-07-07 20:18 <Ubit> and
2016-07-07 20:18 <Ubit>                         copy.SetOwnerId(AgentID);
2016-07-07 20:18 <Ubit>                         copy.SetRootPartOwner(copy.RootPart, AgentID, GroupID);
2016-07-07 20:18 <Ubit> SceneGraph.cs  line 2189
2016-07-07 20:19 <Ubit> hmm in DuplicateObject()
2016-07-07 20:20 <Ubit> also in BuySellModule
2016-07-07 20:21 <Ubit> tempAttachments..   
2016-07-07 20:29 <Ubit> SetRootPartOwner  name is confusing.. it works on a provided part, not necessary the root one
2016-07-07 21:41 <Melanie_T> Ubit: ping
2016-07-07 21:45 <Ubit> yes ?
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2016-07-08 08:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #4714 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-08 09:00 <osmantis> Bug #7828:04 Seated vehicle should not be autoreturned if vehicle owner/group doesn't match current parcel owner/group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7828 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-08 09:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4714: SUCCESS in 5 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4714/
2016-07-08 09:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: don't auto return objects if they have sitting avatars (not npcs) - mantis 7828 with diferent code
2016-07-08 09:53 <osmantis> Bug #7828:04 Seated vehicle should not be autoreturned if vehicle owner/group doesn't match current parcel owner/group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7828 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-08 10:01 <Ubit> grrr ppl never happy :)
2016-07-08 10:34 <osmantis> Bug #7828:04 Seated vehicle should not be autoreturned if vehicle owner/group doesn't match current parcel owner/group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7828 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-08 10:42 <osmantis> Bug #7828:04 Seated vehicle should not be autoreturned if vehicle owner/group doesn't match current parcel owner/group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7828 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-08 10:54 <osmantis> Bug #7828:04 Seated vehicle should not be autoreturned if vehicle owner/group doesn't match current parcel owner/group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7828 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-08 14:02 <Plugh> If an avatar HG TPs to a foreign grid, is their presence in that foreign grid done only via an entry in the GridUsers table with no entry in the UserAccounts table?
2016-07-08 14:03 <JeffKelley> yes Plugh
2016-07-08 14:06 <Plugh> ok, thanks. I'm helping a grid owner deal with a company making a module for OpenSim. I'm just double checking a few things so I don't mislead them. :)
2016-07-08 14:10 <JeffKelley> GridUsers stores each and every avatar known to the grid (i guess it is a source of uuid to name resolution) ; UserAccounts is purely for local avatars
2016-07-08 14:44 <osmantis> Bug #7828:04 Seated vehicle should not be autoreturned if vehicle owner/group doesn't match current parcel owner/group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7828 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-07-08 15:21 <Plugh> JeffKelley: Thanks for the confirmation of how I what I thought it worked. The person making this module seems to think otherwise.
2016-07-08 15:28 <djphil> Hmmm Avination is out too ...
2016-07-08 15:28 <djphil> https://www.avination.com/
2016-07-08 15:32 <Plugh> Perhaps the servers were at Mel's place and they are also in the process of moving to her new place.  ;)
2016-07-08 15:33 <djphil> Yeah ...
2016-07-08 15:33 <djphil> Mel have ennemis lol
2016-07-08 15:34 <djphil> Plugh i do some tests with cut prim
2016-07-08 15:34 <djphil> cut have restrictions
2016-07-08 15:35 <djphil> lack of precision for cutting higher than 0.8
2016-07-08 15:36 <djphil> other problem i found, with cylinder. If you 0.1 cut, texture is missing in the new face
2016-07-08 15:36 <djphil> cut have a lot of problems
2016-07-08 15:37 <Plugh> Did those things work in 0.8.2?
2016-07-08 15:37 <djphil> I made some Pie Charts ... and with this problems, that restrict a lot the Charts ...
2016-07-08 15:38 <djphil> Actually i tested on my local (0.8.2.1) and in 0.9 (last osgrid)
2016-07-08 15:39 <djphil> i don't know if is a viewer restriction or simulator ...
2016-07-08 15:39 <djphil> but a found many problems :p
2016-07-08 15:40 <Plugh> If what you are testing worked in 0.8.2 it needs to be reported as such so it can be marked as a regression to be fixed.
2016-07-08 15:40 <djphil> cut a cube with 0.1 and the cube becomes strangely cut
2016-07-08 15:40 <djphil> and very differently than if you do it the same on a cylinder
2016-07-08 15:41 <djphil> with torus, cut 0.1 is ok ... you see the texture on the new face
2016-07-08 15:41 <djphil> etc etc ...
2016-07-08 15:41 <djphil> i have tested on SL
2016-07-08 15:41 <djphil> i see similar problem with texture
2016-07-08 15:42 <djphil> (tested with FS)
2016-07-08 15:42 <djphil> I do not think it is regression. Problems exist in 0.8 and 0.9
2016-07-08 15:44 <djphil> I forgot to tell you that the test is done using a script
2016-07-08 16:02 <Plugh> wb, Melanie_T
2016-07-08 16:02 <Melanie_T> hi again
2016-07-08 16:03 <Melanie_T> ok, i'm somewhat stable online for the next 5 nights
2016-07-08 16:03 <Plugh> Good. How goes the move?
2016-07-08 16:03 <Melanie_T> reached the destination area
2016-07-08 16:03 <Melanie_T> tomorrow is beauty day
2016-07-08 16:03 <Melanie_T> then house hunting
2016-07-08 16:03 <Melanie_T> can't house hunt looking like an auto mechanic
2016-07-08 16:04 <Plugh> House hunting? I was thinking you had already selected the new house before you started moving.
2016-07-08 16:04 <Melanie_T> no
2016-07-08 16:04 <Melanie_T> difficult when it's out of area
2016-07-08 16:04 <Plugh> Melanie_T: That would depend on the type of house you want.  ;)
2016-07-08 16:04 <Melanie_T> so i'm doing it the hotel way
2016-07-08 16:05 <Melanie_T> i usually hunt the faster kind :)
2016-07-08 16:05 <Plugh> yeah. Although I know some people that were up in the northeastern US and were looking for a place in Arizona.
2016-07-08 16:05 <Melanie_T> they dont stand still for a browser
2016-07-08 16:25 <Plugh> Grr... my something appears to have happened to my Pi. I hope it just needs the SD card to be reseated. The memory stick looks ok.
2016-07-08 16:32 <Plugh> I'm looking at some code in OpenSim that is referring to an Assembly directory. It is setting a location variable by using a call to Assembly.GetExecutingAssembly()
2016-07-08 16:33 <Melanie_T> pi? raspberry? banana? ;)
2016-07-08 16:33 <Melanie_T> Plugh: that would be either the extension loader or the script engine
2016-07-08 16:33 <Plugh> Raspberry
2016-07-08 16:34 <Plugh> What directory would that refer to for an OS instance? Where the code is running from? Where the source was compiled?
2016-07-08 16:34 <Plugh> My Pi's SD card looks ok. I'm backing it up now just in case. I was in the middle of a some code for a hardware project of mine.
2016-07-08 16:34 <vegaslon> should one day just put that arm stuff into OS source tree.
2016-07-08 16:35 <Plugh> bbl. Lunch is ready.
2016-07-08 16:35 <Melanie_T> Plugh: it looks like we have done what no one else has done onthe RPI
2016-07-08 16:35 <Melanie_T> we have it working as I2C slave
2016-07-08 16:38 <Melanie_T> i may make a kernel mode slave driver
2016-07-08 16:38 <Melanie_T> and donate it
2016-07-08 17:25 <Plugh> Melanie_T: Interesting. I use the SPI interface of the Pi to program AVR microcontrollers. I recently received a pair of digital compass modules that use I2C. They are the first I2C devices I'll be using with my Pi.
2016-07-08 17:26 <Melanie_T> well, the pi is a pretty scewed up i2c master
2016-07-08 17:26 <Melanie_T> there are a number of silicon bugs
2016-07-08 17:26 <Melanie_T> #1, the hardware I2C has an issue with clock stretching
2016-07-08 17:26 <Melanie_T> most MCU based devices use clock stretching and will not work with a PI
2016-07-08 17:27 <Melanie_T> #2, there is no slave mode on the PI
2016-07-08 17:27 <Melanie_T> #3, from the above it follows that there is also no multimaster support
2016-07-08 17:28 <Melanie_T> for #1, there is an alternative bitbanged kernel mode i2c driver in raspbian
2016-07-08 17:28 <Melanie_T> it canbe set to use the same pins the hardware device ould use and that way it becomes a drop-in replacement
2016-07-08 17:28 <Melanie_T> it handles clock stretching properly
2016-07-08 17:29 <Melanie_T> but it's clock is not as frequency-stable overall
2016-07-08 17:29 <Melanie_T> there is a second device in B+ and pi3
2016-07-08 17:29 <Melanie_T> it is an i2c slave
2016-07-08 17:29 <Melanie_T> the pins weren't exposed on earlier pis
2016-07-08 17:29 <Melanie_T> but they are now. no one has a working driver for it so we wrote one
2016-07-08 17:29 <Melanie_T> it's polled though and not kernel mode
2016-07-08 17:30 <Melanie_T> this istill isn't multimaster
2016-07-08 17:30 <Melanie_T> but if the pi is meant to be a slave, it works
2016-07-08 17:30 <Melanie_T> and if you need multimaster
2016-07-08 17:30 <Melanie_T> then you need to give the other master an i2c addresss that is greater than that of the pi
2016-07-08 17:30 <Melanie_T> then you can use the pi to address the other master
2016-07-08 17:30 <Melanie_T> it will always lose arbitration
2016-07-08 17:30 <Melanie_T> and receive your slave command
2016-07-08 17:31 <Melanie_T> then you can code that to "shut up"
2016-07-08 17:31 <Melanie_T> so you can master the bus from the pi
2016-07-08 17:31 <Melanie_T> and then later address it again and tell it to continue
2016-07-08 17:31 <Melanie_T> i did a complete RV system with a pi as rearview camera mirror
2016-07-08 17:31 <Melanie_T> it uses this hacked up multimaster
2016-07-08 17:31 <Melanie_T> works great
2016-07-08 17:37 <Plugh> Good to know there is an alternate I2C driver should I need to use it. I haven't done anything with the modules yet. I may have a look over the docs this weekend. I have another device I want to experiment with before I get to the compass ones.
2016-07-08 18:47 <nebadon> OSgrid is back online
2016-07-08 18:47 <djphil> wb :)
2016-07-08 18:48 <nebadon> Thanks to Melanie :)
2016-07-08 18:48 <nebadon> I dub this week serverpocalypse :)
2016-07-08 18:48 <nebadon> Melanie picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue :P
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2016-07-08 19:03 <paulieflomar_y> Hot diggety!
2016-07-08 19:19 <JeffKelley> 
ACTION hope serverpocalypse will stop at the border

2016-07-08 19:36 <Plugh> Jeff, don't count on it. I had problems up my way north of the border.
2016-07-08 19:38 <Ubit> yupii in back at osg :)
2016-07-08 20:38 <osmantis> Bug #7922:04 Contents of prims fail to load when edited 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7922 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-07-09 00:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #4715 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-09 00:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4715: SUCCESS in 5 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4715/
2016-07-09 00:40 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  some changes to RequestInventoryFile()
2016-07-09 00:40 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  add a simple files expire to Xfer to catch some that never got a request (opened xfers also need a timeout)  (not pretty code, but should not have heavy use)
2016-07-09 01:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #4716 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-09 01:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4716: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4716/
2016-07-09 01:27 <osjenkins> kevin: Fixed the order of two file names used in a warning.
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2016-07-09 07:53 <osmantis> Bug #7958:04 osSetDynamicTexture not work well with linked prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7958 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-07-09 07:54 <osmantis> Bug #7958:04 osSetDynamicTexture not work well with linked prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7958 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2016-07-09 09:53 <osmantis> Bug #7958:04 osSetDynamicTexture not work well with linked prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7958 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-09 09:57 <osmantis> Bug #7958:04 osSetDynamicTexture not work well with linked prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7958 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-07-09 10:00 <osmantis> Bug #7958:04 osSetDynamicTexture not work well with linked prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7958 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-09 10:02 <osmantis> Bug #7958:04 osSetDynamicTexture not work well with linked prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7958 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2016-07-09 10:03 <osmantis> Bug #7958:04 osSetDynamicTexture not work well with linked prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7958 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2016-07-09 10:48 <osmantis> Bug #7959:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp() broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7959 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-07-09 11:40 <osmantis> Bug #7959:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp() broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7959 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-07-09 11:42 <osmantis> Bug #7959:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp() broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7959 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-07-09 11:54 <osmantis> Bug #7959:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp() broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7959 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-07-09 12:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #4717 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-09 12:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4717: SUCCESS in 5 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4717/
2016-07-09 12:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: kick Xfermanager from heartbeat and expires files based on its timming
2016-07-09 13:32 <osmantis> Bug #7959:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp() broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7959 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-09 16:53 <osmantis> Bug #7960:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp() child prims not rezzing as part of hud 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7960 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-07-09 17:29 <osmantis> Bug #7960:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp() child prims not rezzing as part of hud 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7960 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-07-09 17:54 <osmantis> Bug #7959:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp() broken at sandbox plaza 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7959 ): has been UPDATED.
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2016-07-09 23:54 <osmantis> Bug #7960:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp() child prims not rezzing as part of hud 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7960 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-07-10 02:48 <JeffKelley> wiki spammed
2016-07-10 03:32 <nebadon> JeffKelley where?
2016-07-10 03:33 <JeffKelley> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
2016-07-10 03:38 <nebadon> thanks
2016-07-10 03:38 <nebadon> i banned them
2016-07-10 03:39 <nebadon> wasnt too horrible
2016-07-10 03:42 <JeffKelley> can you delete all his contribs ?
2016-07-10 03:44 <nebadon> not easily
2016-07-10 03:45 <nebadon> none of it is exposed on the wiki really though
2016-07-10 03:53 <nebadon> ok JeffKelley i erased them all
2016-07-10 03:54 <JeffKelley> thanks
2016-07-10 03:54 <JeffKelley> hope you have Extension:Nuke
2016-07-10 03:55 <nebadon> nah i just did them one by one
2016-07-10 03:55 <nebadon> it wasnt that many
2016-07-10 03:55 <JeffKelley> ;(
2016-07-10 03:55 <nebadon> probably should do something like that
2016-07-10 03:55 <nebadon> I hate touching the wiki code though
2016-07-10 03:55 <JeffKelley> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Nuke
2016-07-10 03:55 <nebadon> mediaiwiki is so horrble
2016-07-10 03:56 <nebadon> thanks i'll take a look at that
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2016-07-10 11:24 <osmantis> Bug #7960:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp() child prims not rezzing as part of hud 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7960 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-07-10 14:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #4718 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-10 14:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4718: SUCCESS in 5 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4718/
2016-07-10 14:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change Xfermanager file sending
2016-07-10 15:11 <Plugh> I need to build Sing from sources once more. The 1.8.7 release seems broken and is also missing a very basic file. Something went wrong with the packaging of that release.
2016-07-10 15:16 <Ubit> i done it yesterday
2016-07-10 15:16 <Ubit> err or before
2016-07-10 15:16 <Ubit> i did it o win7
2016-07-10 15:17 <Ubit> ( had to change the source file on a place )
2016-07-10 15:17 <Ubit> so not to install skd 10
2016-07-10 15:25 <Plugh> Ubit_zzz: : I had downloaded the Sing release package but it throws complaints about some missing C++ items and is missing the program icon file.
2016-07-10 15:25 <Ubit_zzz> worked fine on win
2016-07-10 15:25 <Plugh> I'm not running Windows
2016-07-10 15:26 <Ubit_zzz> :)
2016-07-10 15:27 <Ubit_zzz> i folloed this http://www.singularityviewer.org/kb/build-windows
2016-07-10 15:27 <Ubit_zzz> hmm there is also this http://www.singularityviewer.org/kb/build-linux
2016-07-10 15:29 <Plugh> Thanks. Its been a while since I built a viewer from source. I had forgotten where the instructions were to be found.
2016-07-10 15:31 <Plugh> Just saved myself some time. Redownloaded Linux 64 bit version of Sing and it runs but it is still missing the program icon file.
2016-07-10 15:51 <nebadon> Plugh I think they were maybe fixing that on their irc channel other day
2016-07-10 15:51 <nebadon> Fritigern was doing something with icon anyway
2016-07-10 15:51 <Plugh> For now I just copied the icon from a previous install of Sing.
2016-07-10 15:52 <Ubit_zzz> they use diferent git regos
2016-07-10 15:52 <Ubit_zzz> repos
2016-07-10 15:52 <Ubit_zzz> i pulled the main one
2016-07-10 16:27 <osmantis> Bug #7960:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp() child prims not rezzing as part of hud 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7960 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-10 18:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #4719 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-10 18:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4719: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4719/
2016-07-10 18:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix ObjectPropertiesFamilyPacket LastOwnerID
2016-07-10 18:24 <misterblue> I've been looking at 090 using more CPU than 082 when idle... I set up two OSGrid regions one running 082 and one running 090 and loaded with identical OARs
2016-07-10 18:25 <misterblue> sure enough, the 090 region was using nearly double the CPU 
2016-07-10 18:25 <Ubit> double from what?
2016-07-10 18:26 <misterblue> the thought was originally that it was the physics engine but I set both to basicphysics and saw the same
2016-07-10 18:26 <diva_> I suspect it's XEngine, misterblue, but I don't have alot of data
2016-07-10 18:26 <Ubit> yeap but 10 to 20%   1 to 2% ?
2016-07-10 18:26 <misterblue> the 082 simulator was using 3% of my Linux CPU and the 090 simulator was using 11%
2016-07-10 18:27 <Ubit> that 3x :)
2016-07-10 18:27 <misterblue> I was being kind :)
2016-07-10 18:27 <diva_> misterblue turn off XEngine in both, and check what happens
2016-07-10 18:28 <misterblue> I did start this discussion to get some hints... the mono profiling tools aren't helping me any
2016-07-10 18:28 <Ubit> my empty 2 regions instance is telling 0% in windows
2016-07-10 18:29 <misterblue> the profiling tools seem to point to a lot of work happening in the thread management that's different than 082
2016-07-10 18:29 <misterblue> ya... although I haven't tested... the problem doesn't seem as bad on .NET
2016-07-10 18:29 <misterblue> I'm suspecting it's a Mono thing but have no proof of that
2016-07-10 18:31 <Ubit> damm vs to see cpu i need to run with without debugging ??
2016-07-10 18:32 <misterblue> scratched my head about that one also
2016-07-10 18:33 <Ubit> well has cpu tools 
2016-07-10 18:34 <Ubit> well the all box is using 1% :)
2016-07-10 18:35 <misterblue> setting "[XEngine]enabled=false" didn't change the CPU usage... 090 is still greater than 082 by > than 2x
2016-07-10 18:36 <misterblue> I had also looked at tracking threads to see what was using CPU but there isn't a way to map managed treads (that have the program location info) with the raw threads (that have the CPU usage)
2016-07-10 18:36 <Ubit> well i remember we add a few more threads and in same places made them tick harder
2016-07-10 18:37 <Ubit> udpserver 3.74% of total cpu use ( this i made tick harder i think )
2016-07-10 18:38 <Ubit> well hard to say
2016-07-10 18:38 <Ubit> and as long its far from 100% not very worried :)
2016-07-10 18:39 <diva_> I am very worried
2016-07-10 18:39 <misterblue> an idle sim should be using 0%
2016-07-10 18:39 <Ubit> also that may change in time, GC etc
2016-07-10 18:39 <Ubit> 0% is a dead sim
2016-07-10 18:40 <misterblue> ok... then 0.1%
2016-07-10 18:40 <Ubit> ok :)
2016-07-10 18:40 <Ubit> like it seems to be on win
2016-07-10 18:43 <diva_> Encitra's servers are busy, and there is an expected server load per simulator. We can't handle an increase of 3x in CPU. The same is probably true of the OSCC server.
2016-07-10 18:46 <Ubit> oops soccer game about to start :)
2016-07-10 18:46 <diva_> oh yeah...
2016-07-10 18:47 <Ubit> going to see our guys get kicked by france :)
2016-07-10 18:48 <Ubit> cya later
2016-07-10 18:57 <diva_> also misterblue, another clue that this might have something to do with mono is this: I did that exact same test you're doing, but on a server running mono 2.10, and saw very little difference between 082 and 090
2016-07-10 19:54 <nebadon> I think its safe to say no one would appreciate a 3 fold increase in cpu with very little other benefit 
2016-07-10 19:55 <nebadon> running opensim on a raspberry pi is no longer possibly really because of this
2016-07-10 19:55 <nebadon> cpu stays locked at 99% of a single core 100% of the time
2016-07-10 19:55 <nebadon> lag is very noticable in world
2016-07-10 21:54 <Ubit> uauuu they won
2016-07-10 21:54 <diva_> YES!!!!!!
2016-07-10 21:54 <Ubit> :)
2016-07-10 21:55 <Ubit> so miracles do happen lol
2016-07-10 21:56 <Ubit> 100% cpu?  how much was it with 0.8, same mono etc?
2016-07-10 21:57 <nebadon> probably like 30-40%
2016-07-10 21:57 <nebadon> it is a raspberry pi of course not super powerful
2016-07-10 21:57 <nebadon> still its pretty bad on it now used to be great
2016-07-10 21:57 <nebadon> i had 12 avatars on it once
2016-07-10 21:59 <Ubit> how much free memory ?
2016-07-10 22:01 <nebadon> it has about 256mb free
2016-07-10 22:04 <Ubit> not hitting swap ?
2016-07-10 22:05 <nebadon> nope
2016-07-10 22:06 <nebadon> it used to be pretty good on 0.8
2016-07-10 22:06 <nebadon> but now its on 0.9 it always feels laggy
2016-07-10 22:07 <nebadon> running opensim on low power hardware is a good way to see the deficiencies
2016-07-10 22:08 <nebadon> its a Raspberry Pi2 btw
2016-07-10 22:08 <nebadon> i thought about getting the pi3 but its still only 1gb ram so im probably going to pass
2016-07-10 22:08 <nebadon> was thinking about getting an odroid-oc2
2016-07-10 22:10 <Ubit> well at this point i don't see what could cause such a diference.. specially not noticing it on my box 
2016-07-10 22:11 <Ubit> what are the stats ?
2016-07-10 22:11 <Ubit> sim fps, frame time.. and the other timings?
2016-07-10 22:12 <nebadon> thats the wierd thing
2016-07-10 22:12 <nebadon> the stats look normal
2016-07-10 22:12 <nebadon> everything is fine on show stats
2016-07-10 22:12 <nebadon> but on top its pinned at 100% of 1 cpu core
2016-07-10 22:12 <nebadon> which kills heardbeat
2016-07-10 22:12 <Ubit> it stops sending stats ?
2016-07-10 22:12 <nebadon> no
2016-07-10 22:12 <Ubit> then hearthbeat is kicking
2016-07-10 22:13 <nebadon> but the show stats are all at 55fps 1.0 dilation
2016-07-10 22:13 <nebadon> oh yea
2016-07-10 22:13 <nebadon> the heardbeat is fine
2016-07-10 22:13 <nebadon> i can move around
2016-07-10 22:13 <nebadon> but it lags
2016-07-10 22:13 <nebadon> especially when driving card
2016-07-10 22:13 <nebadon> car*
2016-07-10 22:13 <nebadon> you can go visit
2016-07-10 22:13 <nebadon> OKC Raspberry Pi2
2016-07-10 22:13 <nebadon> on OSgrid
2016-07-10 22:14 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIOcotKGsDg
2016-07-10 22:14 <nebadon> this was on 0.8.2
2016-07-10 22:14 <nebadon> you can see it held up awesome, its the same machine
2016-07-10 22:14 <nebadon> now i cant even get 2 people on it
2016-07-10 22:15 <nebadon> well I can but its terrible performance
2016-07-10 22:15 <Ubit> nice leds
2016-07-10 22:15 <nebadon> :) thanks
2016-07-10 22:16 <nebadon> what version of mono are you using Ubit?
2016-07-10 22:16 <Plugh> I'm still surprised that OpenSim can run on a Pi
2016-07-10 22:16 <Ubit> its a large region?
2016-07-10 22:17 <nebadon> its a var yes
2016-07-10 22:17 <Ubit> suicidal  :p
2016-07-10 22:17 <nebadon> 768x768
2016-07-10 22:17 <nebadon> thats the point though :)
2016-07-10 22:17 <nebadon> still it should run better
2016-07-10 22:17 <nebadon> it ran a lot better on 0.8
2016-07-10 22:17 <nebadon> all my regions on 0.9 use more cpu 
2016-07-10 22:18 <Ubit> heartbeat is sleeping
2016-07-10 22:18 <elmanytas> Hi
2016-07-10 22:18 <nebadon> however early on in 0.9 it was ok
2016-07-10 22:18 <Ubit> stats look ok.. heartbeat sleeping 18ms each 18,1
2016-07-10 22:18 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=978lB7iTkGk
2016-07-10 22:19 <nebadon> this was in november 2015
2016-07-10 22:19 <nebadon> running on 0.9
2016-07-10 22:19 <nebadon> but after i upgraded it a bit ago it got bad
2016-07-10 22:19 <nebadon> so somewhere along the way something changed 
2016-07-10 22:19 <elmanytas> A little question. When a http_response event comes (http_response(key request_id, integer status, list metadata, string body)), where are the headers?
2016-07-10 22:20 <Ubit> you see me on it neb?
2016-07-10 22:21 <elmanytas> I need the content of a header in response.
2016-07-10 22:22 <nebadon> yes I do Ubit
2016-07-10 22:22 <nebadon> the stats look fine
2016-07-10 22:22 <nebadon> cpu is now at 133%
2016-07-10 22:22 <Ubit> yeap as i say sleeping
2016-07-10 22:22 <Ubit> ( of course heartbeat isn't the all thing )
2016-07-10 22:22 <Plugh> elmanytas: Good question. I've only been concerned with headers on the server that receives the HTTP request. I've only been interested in the returned body when the response comes in.
2016-07-10 22:23 <Plugh> Ubit, nebadon: That apparent 3 fold increase in CPU concerns me. Does that only happen in systems running via mono or is it also seen when using Windows to run instances?
2016-07-10 22:23 <Ubit> no physics?
2016-07-10 22:23 <nebadon> it has physics
2016-07-10 22:24 <nebadon> BulletXNA
2016-07-10 22:24 <Ubit> my car doen's move :)
2016-07-10 22:24 <elmanytas> I want to create a working virtual computer. I found the way starting an OpenStack instance and getting a console.
2016-07-10 22:24 <nebadon> what car?
2016-07-10 22:24 <nebadon> the rover?
2016-07-10 22:24 <Ubit> one car script from osg
2016-07-10 22:24 <nebadon> ah
2016-07-10 22:24 <Ubit> for bullet i think
2016-07-10 22:25 <nebadon> well it might take a bit for it to turn physical
2016-07-10 22:25 <nebadon> but ya this is what im saying it sucks now
2016-07-10 22:25 <elmanytas> But the autentication request returns a token id in a X-Subject-Token header instead using the body.
2016-07-10 22:25 <elmanytas> I need to read response headers.
2016-07-10 22:25 <Ubit> the mesh is type none.. only a few boxes for phycis
2016-07-10 22:25 <elmanytas> Is it possible?
2016-07-10 22:25 <nebadon> used to be able to have 2 or 3 of those rovers driving around
2016-07-10 22:25 <nebadon> now you cant even really get one going
2016-07-10 22:26 <nebadon> Ubit now im seeing cpu hit almost 400%
2016-07-10 22:26 <nebadon> 250% now
2016-07-10 22:26 <Ubit> i rezzed a rover
2016-07-10 22:26 <nebadon> ah
2016-07-10 22:26 <nebadon> is that moving?
2016-07-10 22:26 <Plugh> elmanytas: The LSL wiki points to the metadata parameter -> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Http_response
2016-07-10 22:26 <Ubit> yeap
2016-07-10 22:26 <nebadon> k cool
2016-07-10 22:26 <elmanytas> metadata is empty
2016-07-10 22:26 <elmanytas> :'(
2016-07-10 22:26 <Ubit> a bit lag.. but moving
2016-07-10 22:27 <nebadon> yea
2016-07-10 22:27 <Plugh> elmanytas: oh.
2016-07-10 22:27 <nebadon> it used to be real smooth
2016-07-10 22:27 <nebadon> now it has a slight lag to it 
2016-07-10 22:27 <nebadon> its hovering around 200-220% cpu
2016-07-10 22:27 <elmanytas> I print all with: llSetText( "status: " + (string)status + "\nmetadata: "+ (string)metadata + "\nheader: " + header + "\nbody: " + body, COLOR_BLUE, OPAQUE);
2016-07-10 22:28 <elmanytas> metadata and header is empty
2016-07-10 22:28 <Ubit> driving ok stats ok
2016-07-10 22:28 <nebadon> I see 2 thread timeouts
2016-07-10 22:28 <nebadon> for BulletXNA
2016-07-10 22:29 <nebadon> 5 minutes ago though
2016-07-10 22:29 <nebadon> must have been other vehicle
2016-07-10 22:29 <Ubit> moving nicelly this rover
2016-07-10 22:29 <nebadon> yea its not bad
2016-07-10 22:29 <nebadon> but it was better before
2016-07-10 22:29 <elmanytas> http://lslwiki.net/lslwiki/wakka.php?wakka=http_response
2016-07-10 22:29 <nebadon> cpu was definitely not so high
2016-07-10 22:29 <elmanytas> metadata is filled with <key, value> pairs describing the response. Currently, the only key returned is HTTP_BODY_TRUNCATED with a value equal to the point at which the response was truncated in bytes.
2016-07-10 22:30 <Plugh> elmanytas: Hm... it may not be supported yet.
2016-07-10 22:30 <nebadon> Melanie_T might know a bit about the HTTP stuff
2016-07-10 22:30 <Plugh> elmanytas: TODO: Returning null for metadata, since the lsl function only returns the byte for HTTP_BODY_TRUNCATED, which is not implemented here yet anyway.  Should be fixed if/when maxsize is supported
2016-07-10 22:30 <nebadon> but yes it would not surprise me if our implementation is incomplete
2016-07-10 22:31 <nebadon> woah Ubit major red on console
2016-07-10 22:31 <Ubit> i stand up
2016-07-10 22:31 <Melanie_T> returns are not impleented
2016-07-10 22:31 <nebadon> ah probably nothing horrible though, its Object reference not set to instances
2016-07-10 22:31 <elmanytas> In OpenSim does not work. In Second Life does not work.
2016-07-10 22:31 <Melanie_T> the data is available so doing it is low hanging fruit
2016-07-10 22:31 <nebadon> mmmmmm fruit
2016-07-10 22:32 <elmanytas> Well. I will implement a workaround.
2016-07-10 22:32 <elmanytas> Thanks everybody.
2016-07-10 22:32 <Ubit> reds possible from setting physical off on standup ?
2016-07-10 22:32 <nebadon> probably Ubit
2016-07-10 22:33 <nebadon> one message was
2016-07-10 22:33 <Plugh> Speaking of food, it is time for me to go make dinner. :)
2016-07-10 22:33 <Ubit> that bullet runs on heartbeat thread or on own ?
2016-07-10 22:33 <nebadon> it references : RemoveChildShapeFromCompoundShapeIndex
2016-07-10 22:33 <nebadon> let me check it should be its own
2016-07-10 22:33 <Plugh> Melanie_T: How easy/hard is it to deal with that particular piece of fruit?
2016-07-10 22:33 <Ubit> yeap that was physics
2016-07-10 22:33 <Melanie_T> nearly trivial
2016-07-10 22:34 <Plugh> Ok. One of those "easy when you know how" problems. 
2016-07-10 22:34 <Ubit> ( killing the shapes i guess )
2016-07-10 22:34 <nebadon> yes it is in its own thread
2016-07-10 22:34 <Plugh> bbl
2016-07-10 22:34 <Ubit> ok so its stats are not reliable
2016-07-10 22:34 <nebadon> yea
2016-07-10 22:35 <nebadon> something definitely is making CPU much higher though
2016-07-10 22:35 <nebadon> Sisyphus and Newton have same problem
2016-07-10 22:35 <nebadon> I could try an older mono
2016-07-10 22:35 <nebadon> but it will take a while to compile it on the pi
2016-07-10 22:35 <Ubit> now... what? :)
2016-07-10 22:36 <nebadon> cpu on Pi region is 110% at the moment
2016-07-10 22:36 <nebadon> so having 1 avatar only makes it go up 10%
2016-07-10 22:36 <nebadon> but even Sisyphus and Newton while sitting idle
2016-07-10 22:36 <nebadon> each use 50% of a single core
2016-07-10 22:37 <nebadon> and that has a very fast CPU 
2016-07-10 22:37 <Ubit> ??
2016-07-10 22:37 <nebadon> 8 Core AMD
2016-07-10 22:37 <nebadon> FX-8320 CPU in the Sisyphus server
2016-07-10 22:37 <nebadon> and that box has 16gb ram
2016-07-10 22:38 <Ubit> 4ms on scripts
2016-07-10 22:38 <Ubit> sis
2016-07-10 22:38 <nebadon> now that you are out of Pi region its sitting at 96-99% cpu
2016-07-10 22:39 <nebadon> yea you wont feel the lag there
2016-07-10 22:39 <nebadon> but the CPU is defintiely working hard
2016-07-10 22:39 <nebadon> for doing so little
2016-07-10 22:39 <Ubit> doing scripts..  4ms average per frame
2016-07-10 22:39 <nebadon> 742 scripts there
2016-07-10 22:39 <nebadon> and more are not doing muc
2016-07-10 22:40 <nebadon> more=most*
2016-07-10 22:40 <Ubit> im having rubber banding on sys..  but can be my net
2016-07-10 22:41 <nebadon> ya CPU hasnt budged much
2016-07-10 22:41 <nebadon> its still around 50%
2016-07-10 22:42 <nebadon> bouncing between 47-60%
2016-07-10 22:42 <Ubit> a cross took ages
2016-07-10 22:42 <nebadon> that must be net
2016-07-10 22:42 <nebadon> normally i sail right over
2016-07-10 22:42 <Ubit> comms to services slow there ?
2016-07-10 22:42 <nebadon> no
2016-07-10 22:43 <Ubit> well osg groups sometimes take ages..
2016-07-10 22:43 <Ubit> with my simple avatar getting groups is the worse on crossings
2016-07-10 22:44 <Ubit> having the request on the xmlrpc cache now crossing was fast
2016-07-10 22:44 <nebadon> http://beta.speedtest.net/result/5466746919
2016-07-10 22:45 <nebadon> I probably need to update those regions
2016-07-10 22:45 <Ubit> its not only net.. its osg groups for some reason
2016-07-10 22:46 <Ubit> newton 5ms in scripts
2016-07-10 22:48 <nebadon> cpu there is the same as Sis
2016-07-10 22:48 <nebadon> 47-60%
2016-07-10 22:48 <nebadon> which kind of rules out bulletsim
2016-07-10 22:48 <nebadon> cause UbODE is doing same thing
2016-07-10 22:49 <Ubit> on stats time is on scripts 
2016-07-10 22:49 <Ubit> rubber baning, im pilling up unack bytes.. so its my crappy net
2016-07-10 22:50 <Ken_Savage> There has been a momentary freeze in Viewer updates in 0.9 that was not there in 0.8 (under windows)
2016-07-10 22:50 <Ken_Savage> Ubit has seen this on my sims.
2016-07-10 22:50 <nebadon> yea
2016-07-10 22:50 <nebadon> thats pretty much same i am seeing
2016-07-10 22:50 <nebadon> its more pronounced on slower servers for sure
2016-07-10 22:51 <Ken_Savage> It happens regardless of Physics engine
2016-07-10 22:51 <Ken_Savage> My servers are not slow, but they are being fully used.
2016-07-10 22:51 <nebadon> its a bit worriesome for us at Encitra because we have a lot of regions running on our boxes
2016-07-10 22:51 <nebadon> anywhere from 12-25 768x768 vars
2016-07-10 22:51 <nebadon> and trippling cpu usage would be seriously bad
2016-07-10 22:52 <nebadon> we already have trouble with some servers
2016-07-10 22:52 <Ubit> mb told 3x on iddle
2016-07-10 22:52 <nebadon> if we try to run 30 regions
2016-07-10 22:52 <Ubit> no ideia on similar load
2016-07-10 22:52 <nebadon> we get to like 27 and the regions start crashing with out of thread errors
2016-07-10 22:53 <nebadon> and these are 8 core i7 machines with 48gb ra
2016-07-10 22:53 <nebadon> ram*
2016-07-10 22:54 <Ken_Savage> I had to reduce the number of sims on 1 server to deal with it.
2016-07-10 22:54 <nebadon> i guess it is possible though newer mono may be a factor
2016-07-10 22:54 <nebadon> what version of mono are you running?
2016-07-10 22:54 <Ubit> 10ms scripts now on sis
2016-07-10 22:54 <Ken_Savage> I am on Windows Server 2012
2016-07-10 22:54 <nebadon> ya thats bad if .net is doing same thing
2016-07-10 22:54 <nebadon> i guess its bad and good
2016-07-10 22:54 <nebadon> its good to have consistent failure
2016-07-10 22:54 <nebadon> but its bad we are even making .net perform poorly
2016-07-10 22:55 <Ken_Savage> The Viewer update pause seems to be about once a minute or so.
2016-07-10 22:55 <Ken_Savage> If you are cornering in a vehicle when it happens,
2016-07-10 22:56 <Ken_Savage> the vehicle stops turning to goes straight, then
2016-07-10 22:56 <Ubit> yeap still don't know the cause of that.. a lock somewhere i guess
2016-07-10 22:56 <nebadon> ya vehicles at Sisyphus make the cpu spike to like 250+% cpu
2016-07-10 22:56 <Ken_Savage> pops back to the correct path a moment later
2016-07-10 22:57 <nebadon> Ubit are you testing on windows as well? or in linux server?
2016-07-10 22:57 <Ubit> only have windows now
2016-07-10 22:57 <nebadon> k
2016-07-10 22:57 <nebadon> i will try older mono later
2016-07-10 22:57 <nebadon> mono 2.10'ish
2016-07-10 22:57 <nebadon> on the pi
2016-07-10 22:57 <nebadon> and see if anything changes
2016-07-10 22:58 <nebadon> it will take a bit to compile it
2016-07-10 22:58 <Ubit> a lot of time on scripts at sis odd
2016-07-10 22:58 <nebadon> im running mono 4.4.1 on that box as well
2016-07-10 22:59 <nebadon> same as the Pi
2016-07-10 22:59 <Ubit> grrr can't see region scripts
2016-07-10 22:59 <nebadon> newer mono definitely has more aggressive threading and garbage collection
2016-07-10 23:00 <nebadon> but if windows is doing similar stuff id be surprised if older mono makes a differnece
2016-07-10 23:00 <Ubit> oops god request denied :p
2016-07-10 23:00 <nebadon> :)
2016-07-10 23:01 <Ubit> a spike of 22ms
2016-07-10 23:01 <nebadon> I am making an OAR sorry
2016-07-10 23:01 <Ubit> what are those scripts doing ??
2016-07-10 23:01 <nebadon> might be part of it
2016-07-10 23:01 <nebadon> i was going to post the oar for you
2016-07-10 23:02 <Ubit> ok
2016-07-10 23:02 <nebadon> I just started it like 15 seconds before you said a spike
2016-07-10 23:02 <nebadon> almost done
2016-07-10 23:04 <Ubit> OpenSim 0.9.0.0 Dev        259824f (Unix/Mono) uff how does this correlates to commits? :)
2016-07-10 23:04 <nebadon> haha
2016-07-10 23:04 <nebadon> thats partial hash
2016-07-10 23:06 <nebadon> uploading oar to my website now
2016-07-10 23:06 <nebadon> its big
2016-07-10 23:06 <nebadon> 250mb
2016-07-10 23:06 <Ubit> outch :)
2016-07-10 23:07 <Ubit> SHA-1: 259824fbc4d86ad624f0b146c3e04ea850b0b8b6
2016-07-10 23:07 <Ubit> * add EngineName also to the others
2016-07-10 23:07 <Ubit> ?
2016-07-10 23:07 <nebadon> looks right
2016-07-10 23:08 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=259824fbc4d86ad624f0b146c3e04ea850b0b8b6
2016-07-10 23:08 <nebadon> there is probably 20 commits since then
2016-07-10 23:08 <nebadon> 23 actually :)
2016-07-10 23:08 <nebadon> so little behind head
2016-07-10 23:08 <Ubit> yeap
2016-07-10 23:09 <Ubit> but its a good.. before the adiocional test code for culling
2016-07-10 23:09 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/oars/physics_arena-(768x768_var)_2016-07-10.oar
2016-07-10 23:09 <Ubit> ok ill have it in a few hours lol
2016-07-10 23:09 <nebadon> haha
2016-07-10 23:10 <nebadon> your download is that slow?
2016-07-10 23:10 <nebadon> thats hosted on fast data center connection
2016-07-10 23:10 <Ubit> crap adsl
2016-07-10 23:10 <Ubit> getting worse everyday
2016-07-10 23:10 <nebadon> bummer
2016-07-10 23:10 <nebadon> no other options?
2016-07-10 23:10 <Ubit> nopes
2016-07-10 23:11 <Ubit> 76M
2016-07-10 23:11 <Ubit> this is sisp ?
2016-07-10 23:11 <nebadon> yes
2016-07-10 23:11 <Ubit> ok
2016-07-10 23:12 <Ubit> well i can't understand mantis 7960 either
2016-07-10 23:12 <Ubit> those things work fine here.. not on sandbox III
2016-07-10 23:13 <nebadon> wow mono 2.10.8.1 is sooo aincent
2016-07-10 23:13 <nebadon> 2011
2016-07-10 23:13 <Ubit> thats ancient?
2016-07-10 23:13 <Ubit> lol
2016-07-10 23:14 <nebadon> 5 years old
2016-07-10 23:14 <nebadon> thats pretty aincent in terms of computers :)
2016-07-10 23:14 <Ubit> thats just 10% of my age.. nothing :p
2016-07-10 23:14 <nebadon> thats like 4000 years in Tron
2016-07-10 23:14 <nebadon> lol
2016-07-10 23:15 <Ubit> 00:15:46 - [ARCHIVER]: Restored terrain terrains/Sisyphus.r32
2016-07-10 23:20 <Ubit> loading the oar does take time
2016-07-10 23:20 <nebadon> yes
2016-07-10 23:20 <nebadon> its a lot of assets
2016-07-10 23:20 <Ubit> 1000 assets
2016-07-10 23:21 <Ubit> loaded 1000 i mean
2016-07-10 23:21 <nebadon> its 3800
2016-07-10 23:21 <nebadon> on the save
2016-07-10 23:23 <Ubit> this contents are public? 
2016-07-10 23:24 <Ubit> well i will unload the var soon.. i can't restart regions like every time i change a c# line :)
2016-07-10 23:24 <Ubit> .. regions like this.. 
2016-07-10 23:25 <nebadon> :) ya
2016-07-10 23:30 <nebadon> hmm
2016-07-10 23:30 <nebadon> i may not be able to get mono 2.10.8.1 on the pi2
2016-07-10 23:31 <nebadon> seems like some of the pre-reqs for the OS are too new
2016-07-10 23:31 <nebadon> for libgdiplus anyway
2016-07-10 23:31 <Ubit> err you need one that suports .net 4,0 also
2016-07-10 23:31 <nebadon> well the opensim minimum requirements we post right now
2016-07-10 23:31 <nebadon> is 2.10.8.1
2016-07-10 23:31 <Ubit> hmm and tell it to use the correct profile for it
2016-07-10 23:31 <nebadon> that is what jenkins uses
2016-07-10 23:32 <Ubit> ok
2016-07-10 23:32 <nebadon> but im running OpenSuSE Tumbleweed on my pi
2016-07-10 23:32 <nebadon> and its a super new kernel
2016-07-10 23:32 <Ubit> opensim 80% cpu :)
2016-07-10 23:32 <nebadon> ya
2016-07-10 23:32 <nebadon> thats high
2016-07-10 23:32 <nebadon> for not much going on
2016-07-10 23:32 <Ubit> loading the thing
2016-07-10 23:33 <nebadon> oh still loading oar?
2016-07-10 23:33 <Ubit> 00:33:41 - [LOGHTTP]: Slow SynchronousRestObject request 6035 GET to http://asse
2016-07-10 23:33 <Ubit> ts.osgrid.org/assets/e27be1d3-5304-4a32-8e7c-bb75b85c0e53 took 3088ms, 0ms writi
2016-07-10 23:33 <Ubit> ng,
2016-07-10 23:34 <nebadon> ya anything over 3000ms will print on console
2016-07-10 23:35 <nebadon> i see stuff like that a lot
2016-07-10 23:35 <Ubit> yeap
2016-07-10 23:38 <Ubit> cpu use up and down :)
2016-07-10 23:42 <Ubit> ok reloading outside the debugger
2016-07-10 23:43 <nebadon> cool
2016-07-10 23:43 <nebadon> i found older libpng in repo
2016-07-10 23:43 <nebadon> libgdiplus is going now
2016-07-10 23:43 <nebadon> now to see if mono compiles
2016-07-10 23:45 <Ubit> xii taking ages to gen the map ?
2016-07-10 23:47 <Ubit> yeap high load..  and seems scripts
2016-07-10 23:47 <nebadon> I cant even think of any real heavy scripts there
2016-07-10 23:48 <Ubit> 60% cpu after login enable
2016-07-10 23:48 <nebadon> most are like hover text or buttons waiting for click, some particle scripts
2016-07-10 23:48 <nebadon> nothing there should be super active
2016-07-10 23:49 <nebadon> i may be forgetting something though
2016-07-10 23:49 <nebadon> there is a follower prim
2016-07-10 23:49 <nebadon> probably users radar and timer
2016-07-10 23:50 <Ubit> disable scripts
2016-07-10 23:51 <Ubit> 2& cpu
2016-07-10 23:51 <Ubit> 2%
2016-07-10 23:51 <nebadon> ya that is wierd, have we even changed much with xengine lately?
2016-07-10 23:52 <Ubit> nopes
2016-07-10 23:52 <Ubit> raycast laser
2016-07-10 23:52 <nebadon> ah hmm
2016-07-10 23:52 <nebadon> i thought i disabled those
2016-07-10 23:53 <Ubit> 11 of those
2016-07-10 23:53 <Ubit> 12
2016-07-10 23:54 <Ubit> and ubOde does take 8ms  since it does the casts
2016-07-10 23:54 <nebadon> ok ya that makes sense
2016-07-10 23:54 <nebadon> i forgot about those things
2016-07-10 23:54 <Ubit> lets see if disable selected works :)
2016-07-10 23:55 <Ubit> 00:54:50 - [CLIENT]: Unhandled packet ParcelDisableObjects from Ubit Umarov (roo
2016-07-10 23:55 <Ubit> t ) in ubittest11.  Ignoring.
2016-07-10 23:55 <Ubit> guess not lol
2016-07-10 23:57 <nebadon> ya interesting
2016-07-10 23:57 <nebadon> big drop in cpu 
2016-07-10 23:57 <nebadon> at both Newton and Sisyphus
2016-07-10 23:57 <nebadon> when i disabled those
2016-07-10 23:57 <Ubit> this scripters :p
2016-07-10 23:57 <nebadon> they are both sitting at 26% now
2016-07-10 23:57 <nebadon> that seems more normal for sure
2016-07-10 23:58 <nebadon> its wierd newton would react the same though no?
2016-07-10 23:58 <nebadon> kind of seems like llCastRay isnt the actual problem
2016-07-10 23:58 <Ubit> you only disabled on sis?
2016-07-10 23:58 <nebadon> no both
2016-07-10 23:58 <nebadon> and both reacted the same
2016-07-10 23:58 <nebadon> both dropped from like 45-50% cpu
2016-07-10 23:59 <nebadon> to 25-27%
2016-07-10 23:59 <Ubit> raycasts are heavy
2016-07-10 23:59 <Ubit> specially without ubode
2016-07-10 23:59 <Ubit> but even with it
2016-07-10 23:59 <nebadon> ya
2016-07-10 23:59 <nebadon> the results were literally identical between ubode and sisyphus
2016-07-11 00:00 <nebadon> newton = ubode i mean
2016-07-11 00:00 <Ubit> ok
2016-07-11 00:00 <Ubit> damm how did u disabled the things?
2016-07-11 00:00 <nebadon> in the viewer
2016-07-11 00:00 <nebadon> set scripts to not running
2016-07-11 00:01 <Ubit> ahh i want now only them
2016-07-11 00:01 <Ubit> all scripts cpu went down to 2% load
2016-07-11 00:01 <nebadon> maybe its the timers
2016-07-11 00:01 <nebadon> and not raycast
2016-07-11 00:01 <nebadon> Pi2 region has bunch of timers
2016-07-11 00:01 <nebadon> but no raycast
2016-07-11 00:02 <nebadon> i have to wait for mono to stop compiling to test
2016-07-11 00:02 <nebadon> i shut region down to get more cpu power
2016-07-11 00:02 <Ubit> what hell i can't stop a script ?
2016-07-11 00:02 <nebadon> wierd
2016-07-11 00:02 <nebadon> are you owner?
2016-07-11 00:02 <Ubit> nopes you are lol
2016-07-11 00:02 <nebadon> really?
2016-07-11 00:02 <nebadon> oh shit
2016-07-11 00:02 <nebadon> you loaded this on OSgrid?
2016-07-11 00:03 <Ubit> now im lol
2016-07-11 00:03 <nebadon> ya god it up :)
2016-07-11 00:03 <Ubit> yeap
2016-07-11 00:03 <nebadon> its definitely not raycast
2016-07-11 00:03 <nebadon> thats eating cpu
2016-07-11 00:03 <nebadon> its the timers
2016-07-11 00:03 <nebadon> i have a manual raycast
2016-07-11 00:03 <nebadon> i can click as fast as I can
2016-07-11 00:03 <nebadon> cpu doesnt even change at all
2016-07-11 00:04 <nebadon> oh hrmm
2016-07-11 00:04 <nebadon> maybe it was just delayed
2016-07-11 00:04 <nebadon> now its going up with rapid clicking
2016-07-11 00:04 <nebadon> see the blue boxes
2016-07-11 00:04 <nebadon> those are raycasters
2016-07-11 00:05 <Ubit> im still fighting to stop them one by one.. grrr
2016-07-11 00:05 <nebadon> i just selected them all at once
2016-07-11 00:05 <Ubit> and fail
2016-07-11 00:05 <nebadon> ya if i pound on the blue box that is raycasting into a torus
2016-07-11 00:05 <nebadon> cpu goes to 50%
2016-07-11 00:05 <nebadon> which is exactly what those lasers do
2016-07-11 00:06 <nebadon> if i pound the cylinder one
2016-07-11 00:06 <nebadon> it doesnt change as bad
2016-07-11 00:06 <nebadon> apparantly raycasting a torus = badness
2016-07-11 00:06 <Ubit> damm unchecking runnig is not working
2016-07-11 00:06 <nebadon> leave it to me :)
2016-07-11 00:06 <nebadon> wierd
2016-07-11 00:06 <nebadon> just take them into inventory :)
2016-07-11 00:07 <Ubit> guessed what im doing lol
2016-07-11 00:08 <Ubit> 19%load
2016-07-11 00:09 <Ubit> damm still 2
2016-07-11 00:09 <Ubit> actuall 6 lol
2016-07-11 00:10 <Ubit> to ground this ones
2016-07-11 00:10 <Ubit> hmm script doesn't load odd
2016-07-11 00:11 <Ubit> this to ground don't see to have much impact
2016-07-11 00:12 <Ubit> at what rate are they doing the casts?
2016-07-11 00:13 <nebadon> not sure
2016-07-11 00:13 <nebadon> that is vegaslons script
2016-07-11 00:13 <nebadon> let me look 1 sec
2016-07-11 00:13 <Ubit> ok load 1%
2016-07-11 00:13 <Ubit> the lasers are the killers
2016-07-11 00:13 <Ubit> even with ubOde
2016-07-11 00:14 <Ubit> i still have 2ms physics time 
2016-07-11 00:15 <Ubit> Sim FPS Graph Meter v0.1 is the next heavy script
2016-07-11 00:17 <nebadon> hmm
2016-07-11 00:17 <nebadon> more timer
2016-07-11 00:17 <Ubit> just kill the lasers
2016-07-11 00:17 <nebadon> that doesnt explain why the pi is running so bad
2016-07-11 00:17 <nebadon> the only thing at pi region is script timers
2016-07-11 00:17 <nebadon> those LEDs
2016-07-11 00:18 <nebadon> there are several timers on the motherboard LEDs too
2016-07-11 00:18 <nebadon> there are atleast 6 timers there
2016-07-11 00:18 <Ubit> no.. but we keep finding new issues lol
2016-07-11 00:18 <Ubit> sis was bad.. 
2016-07-11 00:18 <nebadon> yea
2016-07-11 00:19 <nebadon> xengine needs seriousl luvin
2016-07-11 00:19 <nebadon> ive been saying that for years now :)
2016-07-11 00:19 <Ubit> 1% to 0 on taskmanager now
2016-07-11 00:19 <Ubit> with me on it
2016-07-11 00:20 <Ubit> 496MB private memory
2016-07-11 00:20 <Ubit> 111 threads
2016-07-11 00:20 <nebadon> im still seeing 25-30% cpu
2016-07-11 00:20 <nebadon> but thats typical difference between .net and mono
2016-07-11 00:20 <Ubit> it goes off the list here
2016-07-11 00:21 <nebadon> man
2016-07-11 00:21 <nebadon> that ball machine that Cuteulala made
2016-07-11 00:21 <Ubit> samthig is taking 2ms of physics time
2016-07-11 00:21 <nebadon> totally fails hard on ubODE
2016-07-11 00:21 <nebadon> its probably the green ball
2016-07-11 00:21 <Ubit> i have one here?
2016-07-11 00:21 <nebadon> look for object named "Ball Machine(2014)
2016-07-11 00:21 <nebadon> yea let me send you clean one
2016-07-11 00:21 <nebadon> hold on
2016-07-11 00:21 <nebadon> sent
2016-07-11 00:21 <nebadon> also
2016-07-11 00:21 <nebadon> those chains are physical
2016-07-11 00:22 <nebadon> probably also using some cpu
2016-07-11 00:22 <nebadon> the chains also fail hard in ubODE
2016-07-11 00:22 <Ubit> ( and that is still another issue lol )
2016-07-11 00:22 <Ubit> hmm what chains ?
2016-07-11 00:23 <Ubit> hmm the ball seems to get stucked going up ?
2016-07-11 00:23 <nebadon> yes
2016-07-11 00:23 <nebadon> the chains seem to be totally gone on ubODE
2016-07-11 00:23 <nebadon> like they poofed or something
2016-07-11 00:23 <nebadon> maybe floating up in air also
2016-07-11 00:23 <nebadon> i noticed that in my ubODE region
2016-07-11 00:23 <nebadon> the green ball was so high in the air
2016-07-11 00:24 <nebadon> i couldnt select it
2016-07-11 00:24 <nebadon> i had to erase it from console
2016-07-11 00:24 <nebadon> it was so high i couldnt even have singularity point camera too it
2016-07-11 00:24 <Ubit> possible it tunneled 
2016-07-11 00:24 <Ubit> this one.. noting
2016-07-11 00:24 <Ubit> no cpu
2016-07-11 00:25 <Ubit> well this is another issue
2016-07-11 00:25 <Ubit> no ideia how she is pushing the ball etc
2016-07-11 00:26 <nebadon> probably changing gravity
2016-07-11 00:26 <nebadon> bouyancy or whatev
2016-07-11 00:26 <Ubit> yeap..
2016-07-11 00:26 <nebadon> i have never seen it fly away in bulletsim
2016-07-11 00:26 <Ubit>         llSetBuoyancy(1.9);
2016-07-11 00:26 <nebadon> occaisonally i find it on the ground in front of the holder
2016-07-11 00:27 <nebadon> this is first time i ever saw it in the sky
2016-07-11 00:27 <Ubit> possible rezzed before the holding thing :)
2016-07-11 00:27 <nebadon> we like to break stuff on OSgrid :P
2016-07-11 00:27 <Ubit> if i touch the ball a bit it moves
2016-07-11 00:29 <Ubit> also interpenetration issues
2016-07-11 00:30 <Ubit> took the object.. have a ball mocing around lol
2016-07-11 00:30 <nebadon> :)
2016-07-11 00:31 <Ubit> so  killing the raycasts  i have almost no load ( as seen in taskmanager)
2016-07-11 00:32 <nebadon> YA
2016-07-11 00:32 <nebadon> im hoping its the timers at Pi region
2016-07-11 00:32 <Ubit> same case you see 20% ?
2016-07-11 00:32 <nebadon> mono is still compiling
2016-07-11 00:32 <nebadon> es
2016-07-11 00:32 <nebadon> yes*
2016-07-11 00:32 <Ubit> odd
2016-07-11 00:32 <nebadon> 25%
2016-07-11 00:32 <Ubit> why the diference ?
2016-07-11 00:32 <nebadon> ya still a bit high
2016-07-11 00:32 <nebadon> im running in mono 4.4.1
2016-07-11 00:33 <nebadon> .net has much better threading
2016-07-11 00:33 <nebadon> im guessing its timers
2016-07-11 00:33 <Ubit> i don't even see opensim on the list  ordered by load
2016-07-11 00:34 <nebadon> all 4 of my regions now
2016-07-11 00:34 <nebadon> show around 25% cpu
2016-07-11 00:35 <nebadon> on is Universal Campus
2016-07-11 00:35 <nebadon> the other is OKC Tower
2016-07-11 00:35 <misterblue> were timers changed in XEngine from avination? there is the work queue thing that came in with the merge... what is that used for
2016-07-11 00:35 <Ubit> my boc with fs etc.. 3% load
2016-07-11 00:35 <misterblue> I see a bunch of the work queue stuff in the mono profiles I've run
2016-07-11 00:35 <Ubit> 2%
2016-07-11 00:36 <Ubit> opensim...  0
2016-07-11 00:36 <nebadon> ya Ubit im nt surprised .net has always out performed mono
2016-07-11 00:36 <nebadon> especially in terms of threading
2016-07-11 00:36 <nebadon> timers have always sucked pretty bad in mono
2016-07-11 00:36 <nebadon> timers and sleep
2016-07-11 00:36 <nebadon> they are the destroyer of dreams :P
2016-07-11 00:37 <Ubit> i did kill some timers on 0.9
2016-07-11 00:37 <Ubit> replaced by ticks from heartbeat etc
2016-07-11 00:37 <Ubit> i mean .net timers
2016-07-11 00:38 <nebadon> hmm
2016-07-11 00:38 <nebadon> ya maybe that had bad affect on mono
2016-07-11 00:38 <Ubit> i whould like to the the keyframes one  but can't :)
2016-07-11 00:38 <nebadon> in the past 99% of our testing has occured on mono
2016-07-11 00:38 <Ubit> like to kill
2016-07-11 00:39 <nebadon> there is  alot of stuff that works really good in .net/win and just completely ruins mono
2016-07-11 00:40 <nebadon> it could be too that it has even more aderse effect on newer mono
2016-07-11 00:40 <nebadon> which is capable of more aggresive threading
2016-07-11 00:40 <nebadon> its still far from comparable to the latest .net performance though
2016-07-11 00:40 <nebadon> not even close
2016-07-11 00:40 <Ubit> Icosphere Follower [Mesh]  is not following
2016-07-11 00:41 <nebadon> i hadnt tried that in ubODE
2016-07-11 00:41 <nebadon> it was working ok in Sisyphus for me
2016-07-11 00:41 <Ubit> damm the scripts don't load
2016-07-11 00:42 <Ubit> hmmm in yr name but full rights
2016-07-11 00:42 <nebadon> ya i should have saved it with Publish
2016-07-11 00:44 <Ubit> ahh  did god on it :)
2016-07-11 00:44 <nebadon> if i dont use the --publish option on my oars
2016-07-11 00:44 <nebadon> people literally like erase the whole UCI oar inside of OSgrid
2016-07-11 00:44 <nebadon> and it all ends up in my trash bin
2016-07-11 00:44 <nebadon> lol
2016-07-11 00:44 <nebadon> super annoying
2016-07-11 00:45 <nebadon> justin created that option just for me :)
2016-07-11 00:46 <Ubit> well no ideia why it doesn't move..  filed as another issue :)
2016-07-11 00:47 <nebadon> :)
2016-07-11 00:51 <Ubit> ohh found chains.. hmm somewhere
2016-07-11 00:51 <Ubit> one green sphere stucked
2016-07-11 00:56 <Ubit> ok
2016-07-11 00:56 <Ubit> what is the option to load a oar replacing? :)
2016-07-11 00:56 <Ubit> ohh is as i did
2016-07-11 00:57 <Ubit> need me to see anything on this sis  before unloading it ?
2016-07-11 00:58 <nebadon> nah
2016-07-11 00:58 <Ubit> ok
2016-07-11 01:02 <Ubit>        llSetTimerEvent(0.05);
2016-07-11 01:02 <Ubit> on the lasers
2016-07-11 01:02 <Ubit> this scripters :p
2016-07-11 01:06 <nebadon> well I disabled all the scripts at pi2 region
2016-07-11 01:06 <nebadon> and cpu has fallen 15%
2016-07-11 01:06 <nebadon> for like 10 scripts :/
2016-07-11 01:06 <Ubit> so its at 85% ?
2016-07-11 01:06 <nebadon> yes
2016-07-11 01:06 <nebadon> like 83-85%
2016-07-11 01:07 <Ubit> odd
2016-07-11 01:07 <Ubit> im putting torus in the path of one laser and don't see load
2016-07-11 01:07 <nebadon> let me restart it with scripts disabled
2016-07-11 01:08 <misterblue> I set the physics engine to 'basicphysics' and set XEngine Enabled=false and still saw the CPU usage difference between 082 and 090
2016-07-11 01:08 <misterblue> there are other threads doing things independent of the inefficiencies of the script timers
2016-07-11 01:09 <Ubit> llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast(2, [PRIM_SIZE, <0.0,0.0,distance * 2.0>, PRIM_POSITION, <distance,0.0,0.0>])
2016-07-11 01:09 <Ubit> mb it was this doing the load?
2016-07-11 01:09 <misterblue> two simulators each with regions loaded with the same OARs sitting idle... 
2016-07-11 01:10 <Ubit> err primsize 0,0,z ??
2016-07-11 01:10 <misterblue> and indefinite prim
2016-07-11 01:10 <misterblue> an
2016-07-11 01:10 <nebadon> still at 85% after region restart with scripts disabled
2016-07-11 01:10 <Ubit> this scripters :p
2016-07-11 01:11 <Ubit> ( think we to trap this sizes :p =
2016-07-11 01:18 <Ubit> well don't understand .. on another place a laser doesn't cause load
2016-07-11 01:20 <Ubit> what is the sis cpu clock and the pi clock ?
2016-07-11 01:21 <nebadon> I think we have 4 of those lasers at Lbsa Plaza
2016-07-11 01:21 <nebadon> they may have gotten removed though
2016-07-11 01:21 <Ubit> a test one did no load
2016-07-11 01:21 <Ubit> but was on a valley and normal size region
2016-07-11 01:23 <nebadon> well no luck with 2.10.8.1 on arm 
2016-07-11 01:23 <nebadon> i think its just too old
2016-07-11 01:23 <Ubit> pi is 1ghz or 2 ?
2016-07-11 01:23 <nebadon> for this operating system im running anyway
2016-07-11 01:23 <nebadon> 1.1ghz
2016-07-11 01:23 <nebadon> im overclocking mine a bit
2016-07-11 01:23 <Ubit> sis is 4Ghz ?
2016-07-11 01:23 <nebadon> ya 
2016-07-11 01:23 <nebadon> x8
2016-07-11 01:23 <nebadon> pi2 is x4
2016-07-11 01:23 <Ubit> so 25% * 4 == 100% :)
2016-07-11 01:24 <nebadon> yea
2016-07-11 01:24 <Ubit> and pi is not a amd.. its a arm 
2016-07-11 01:24 <nebadon> right
2016-07-11 01:25 <Ubit> older mono fails to work ?
2016-07-11 01:25 <nebadon> ya on the pi2
2016-07-11 01:25 <nebadon> it wont compile
2016-07-11 01:26 <nebadon> undefined reference to "mono_jit_tls"
2016-07-11 01:26 <nebadon> is the error
2016-07-11 01:26 <Ubit> no ideia :)
2016-07-11 01:26 <nebadon> compiling mono that is, not opensim
2016-07-11 01:26 <Ubit> but that is mono thing 
2016-07-11 01:26 <nebadon> ya im not finding much
2016-07-11 01:26 <nebadon> ya
2016-07-11 01:27 <nebadon> I suspet some of the pre-reqs are maybe too new
2016-07-11 01:27 <nebadon> for this older mono
2016-07-11 01:27 <nebadon> the lastest mono compiles fine on this box
2016-07-11 01:27 <Ubit> well don't test on it then
2016-07-11 01:28 <Ubit> test on sis or similar
2016-07-11 01:28 <nebadon> ya I could do that
2016-07-11 01:28 <nebadon> its just more drastic on this one
2016-07-11 01:28 <nebadon> it would have been way more obvious
2016-07-11 01:28 <nebadon> on sisyphus i'll probably only see like 5-10% drop at best
2016-07-11 01:29 <Ubit> that could mean 85 down to 45 on the pi :)
2016-07-11 01:29 <nebadon> ya
2016-07-11 01:29 <nebadon> which is about what it was before
2016-07-11 01:29 <nebadon> i was running raspbian
2016-07-11 01:29 <nebadon> when i had older mono
2016-07-11 01:29 <nebadon> ive since switched to tumbleweed
2016-07-11 01:30 <nebadon> i do have another pi running raspbian
2016-07-11 01:30 <nebadon> i could test on it
2016-07-11 01:30 <nebadon> bring up a second pi region
2016-07-11 01:30 <Ubit> well 0.9 does have difeferences on some threads sleeps etc
2016-07-11 01:30 <nebadon> i have 3 raspberry pi 2 machines and B+
2016-07-11 01:30 <Ubit> but should not be drastic :(
2016-07-11 01:30 <nebadon> this machine i use IRC on is a pi2
2016-07-11 01:30 <nebadon> running Ubuntu Mate :)
2016-07-11 01:31 <nebadon> this way i can shut my beast power hungry machines off at night
2016-07-11 01:31 <Ubit> :)
2016-07-11 01:32 <Ubit> odd the damm follower does work on bullet
2016-07-11 01:32 <Ubit> i broke movetotarget on ubode ?? odd
2016-07-11 01:32 <nebadon> yea
2016-07-11 01:40 <Ubit> what hell
2016-07-11 01:40 <Ubit> it works 
2016-07-11 01:41 <Ubit> replaced the sis oar by the test area i hadm rezzed a copy of the thing and it works
2016-07-11 01:42 <Ubit> on sis oar  it was flat on the floor
2016-07-11 01:43 <Ubit> seems the sensor repeat was't workin
2016-07-11 01:45 <Ubit> oh crap i have 2 scary sphers with red spikes following me around
2016-07-11 02:01 <Ubit> hmm do we loose sensor repeats on region restarts?
2016-07-11 02:02 <Ubit> guess that was the follower issue
2016-07-11 02:10 <Ubit> oops
2016-07-11 02:10 <Ubit> 03:09:35 - [SCENE OBJECT PART]: Physical object Ball Machine(2014), localID 1175
2016-07-11 02:10 <Ubit> 980515 went out of bounds at <674.2516, 137.3283, 99999.09> in ubittest11.  Stop
2016-07-11 02:10 <Ubit> ping at <674.2516, 137.3283, 99999.09> and making non-physical.
2016-07-11 02:10 <Ubit> lol
2016-07-11 06:32 <osmantis> Bug #7961:04 Windlight params not sent to viewer upon logging in to region with windlight defined 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7961 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-07-11 08:01 <osmantis> Bug #7962:04 Parcel invisibility setting does not persist through sim restarts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7962 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-07-11 10:39 <osmantis> Bug #7962:04 Parcel invisibility setting does not persist through sim restarts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7962 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-11 11:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #4720 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-11 11:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4720: SUCCESS in 5 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4720/
2016-07-11 11:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reduce xfer burst if we are busy
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2016-07-11 15:28 <Melanie_T> diva_: ping
2016-07-11 15:38 <diva_> hi Melanie_T! Nice to see you back here!
2016-07-11 15:38 <diva_> are you all settled?
2016-07-11 15:38 <Melanie_T> nope
2016-07-11 15:38 <Melanie_T> house viewing tomorrow
2016-07-11 15:38 <Melanie_T> but we're settled into a hotel for the moment
2016-07-11 15:38 <Melanie_T> i have a HG question 
2016-07-11 15:38 <Melanie_T> or two
2016-07-11 15:38 <diva_> shoot
2016-07-11 15:39 <Melanie_T> <bang>
2016-07-11 15:39 <Melanie_T> when a user HGs, do they always take their UUID with them unless it collides with a local user, or are there other rules i'm not aware of?
2016-07-11 15:39 <Melanie_T> tests HGing from my box to OSG showed that that particular avatar did keep it's UUID
2016-07-11 15:40 <Melanie_T> but for my current project i need to somewhat depend on that
2016-07-11 15:40 <Melanie_T> and <bang>
2016-07-11 15:40 <Melanie_T> i have a HG standalone set up. I can hgtp to osg just fine but it's impossible to hgtp in
2016-07-11 15:41 <diva_> their UUID follows them
2016-07-11 15:41 <diva_> UUIDs never change
2016-07-11 15:41 <Melanie_T> so what if the uuid of a hg visitor is the same as that of a local user?
2016-07-11 15:41 <diva_> home networking for HG requires some love
2016-07-11 15:42 <diva_> in those cases, the HG visitor is simply not allowed to come in
2016-07-11 15:42 <Melanie_T> ok
2016-07-11 15:42 <Melanie_T> that works
2016-07-11 15:42 <diva_> It would be too risky to let that happen, and it would be too complex to change UUIDs on the fly
2016-07-11 15:43 <Melanie_T> is there an osgrid issue with direct login?
2016-07-11 15:43 <Melanie_T> i can hg in but not log in
2016-07-11 15:45 <diva_> what do you mean you can't login?
2016-07-11 15:45 <Melanie_T> timeouts
2016-07-11 15:45 <Melanie_T> i can log into craftworld
2016-07-11 15:45 <Melanie_T> so it's not my end
2016-07-11 15:46 <diva_> so where can't you not login? You can't hg tp from osgrid back to your grid?
2016-07-11 15:47 <Melanie_T> i can't log into OSGRID at all
2016-07-11 15:47 <Melanie_T> with my osg avatar
2016-07-11 15:47 <Melanie_T> but that is only now
2016-07-11 15:47 <Melanie_T> it worked yesterday
2016-07-11 15:47 <Melanie_T> but once i'm in i can't tp to my sim
2016-07-11 15:47 <diva_> oh ok
2016-07-11 15:47 <Melanie_T> hgtp
2016-07-11 15:47 <Melanie_T> but i can log into craftworld
2016-07-11 15:47 <Melanie_T> and then hgtp to my sim
2016-07-11 15:47 <diva_> maybe they're having some temporary issues
2016-07-11 15:48 <diva_> gotta go -- meeting. bbl
2016-07-11 15:48 <Melanie_T> k, thanks
2016-07-11 15:54 <nebadon> Melanie_T there are no issues logging in, Try logging directly into a different region
2016-07-11 15:54 <Melanie_T> nebadon: tried that
2016-07-11 15:54 <Melanie_T> tried lbsa and wp
2016-07-11 15:54 <nebadon> odd
2016-07-11 15:55 <Melanie_T> internet is pretty evil here
2016-07-11 15:55 <Melanie_T> so maybe it works later
2016-07-11 15:55 <Melanie_T> but we still need to look into why i can't hgtp from osg into my sim
2016-07-11 15:55 <Melanie_T> but can from craft
2016-07-11 16:07 <nebadon> yes its pretty easy to misconfigure HG setups
2016-07-11 17:00 <osmantis> Bug #7962:04 Parcel invisibility setting does not persist through sim restarts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7962 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-11 17:18 <Ken_Savage> Melanie_T, logging into some grids (especially OSG) often doesnt work from slow connections
2016-07-11 17:18 <Ken_Savage> In fact, a lot of things dont work right from slow connections
2016-07-11 17:19 <Ken_Savage> Thats why its best to test from a connection that is not super fast.
2016-07-11 17:19 <Melanie_T> there were internet issues here 
2016-07-11 17:19 <Melanie_T> i pulled the plug on the router
2016-07-11 17:19 <Ken_Savage> I helps issues show up.
2016-07-11 17:19 <Melanie_T> 10 minutes later it was ok again
2016-07-11 17:19 <Ken_Savage> I worked from hotels for 15 years before I recently changed jobs.
2016-07-11 17:19 <Ken_Savage> Logging in from hotels was always hit and miss
2016-07-11 17:20 <Ken_Savage> I found many bugs that never showed up on fast connections that way lol
2016-07-11 17:21 <Melanie_T> i get this from osgrid to my sim
2016-07-11 17:21 <Melanie_T> 21:41:22 - [GATEKEEPER SERVICE]: Verifying http://vr.t-data.com:9000 against http://vr.t-data.com:9000
2016-07-11 17:21 <Melanie_T> 21:41:23 - [USER AGENT CONNECTOR]: Unable to contact remote server http://hg.osgrid.org:80/ for GetBoolResponse
2016-07-11 17:21 <Melanie_T> 21:41:23 - [GATEKEEPER SERVICE]: Unable to verify identity of agent Melanie Milland. Refusing service.
2016-07-11 17:22 <Ken_Savage> I saw that a lot connecting from hotels.
2016-07-11 17:22 <Melanie_T> getting that from osg only
2016-07-11 17:22 <Ken_Savage> It depended on how many people in the hotel were using the internet at the time.
2016-07-11 17:23 <Melanie_T> well, this issue i just pasted is independent of that
2016-07-11 17:23 <Ken_Savage> Yea, OSG is having a slow response issue right now
2016-07-11 17:23 <Melanie_T> because it is server to server communications
2016-07-11 17:24 <Ken_Savage> If both The last 10 days or so, it has been taking much longer for AV to rez on login there.
2016-07-11 17:24 <Ken_Savage> Even from a fast connection.
2016-07-11 18:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #4721 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-11 18:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4721: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4721/
2016-07-11 18:18 <osjenkins> melanie: Change the user verification call back to use the host name instead of the
2016-07-11 18:25 <Melanie_T> nebadon: ping
2016-07-11 18:26 <Melanie_T> nebadon: this push is the fix for people being unable to tp to recent version regions on new mono from osgrid
2016-07-11 18:45 <nebadon> ok its a fix for regions?
2016-07-11 18:45 <Melanie_T> yes
2016-07-11 18:46 <Melanie_T> what happened is that HttpWebRequest, when fed with a URL that has an IP as the host portion, will not produce a host: header in recent mono
2016-07-11 18:46 <Melanie_T> earlier mono produced a host: header with the ip address as host
2016-07-11 18:46 <Melanie_T> nginx refuses to work without a host header present
2016-07-11 18:47 <Melanie_T> this change makes regions outside of osgrid, in particular standalones, work with your nginx again
2016-07-11 18:47 <nebadon> ok great
2016-07-11 18:48 <nebadon> so nothing we really have to do
2016-07-11 22:06 <osmantis> Bug #7963:04 llKey2Name or osKey2name does not return group name from group key. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7963 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-07-11 22:16 <osmantis> Bug #7963:04 llKey2Name or osKey2name does not return group name from group key. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7963 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-07-11 23:14 <osmantis> Bug #7963:04 llKey2Name or osKey2name does not return group name from group key. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7963 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-11 23:18 <osmantis> Bug #7963:04 llKey2Name or osKey2name does not return group name from group key. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7963 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-11 23:22 <osmantis> Bug #7963:04 llKey2Name or osKey2name does not return group name from group key. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7963 ): has been ACKNOWLEDGED.
2016-07-11 23:22 <osmantis> Bug #7963:04 llKey2Name or osKey2name does not return group name from group key. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7963 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-07-11 23:23 <osmantis> Bug #7963:04 llKey2Name or osKey2name does not return group name from group key. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7963 ): has been CLOSED
2016-07-12 01:35 <Plugh> Is there a particular mechanism or API for accessing the info in the GridUser table?
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2016-07-12 07:23 <osmantis> Bug #7961:04 Windlight params not sent to viewer upon logging in to region with windlight defined 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7961 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-12 07:31 <osmantis> Bug #7962:04 Parcel invisibility setting does not persist through sim restarts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7962 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-12 09:09 <osmantis> Bug #7961:04 Windlight params not sent to viewer upon logging in to region with windlight defined 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7961 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-12 09:10 <osmantis> Bug #7962:04 Parcel invisibility setting does not persist through sim restarts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7962 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-12 09:12 <osmantis> Bug #7961:04 Windlight params not sent to viewer upon logging in to region with windlight defined 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7961 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-12 09:13 <osmantis> Bug #7962:04 Parcel invisibility setting does not persist through sim restarts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7962 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-12 11:19 <osmantis> Bug #7962:04 Parcel invisibility setting does not persist through sim restarts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7962 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-12 11:32 <osmantis> Bug #7961:04 Windlight params not sent to viewer upon logging in to region with windlight defined 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7961 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-12 12:36 <Ubit> damm messed up my test region enviroment bc of that windlight :)
2016-07-12 12:51 <Ubit> dont understand this windlight thing
2016-07-12 12:52 <Ubit> it is only set by script ?
2016-07-12 12:53 <Ubit> see Enviroment also, but thats only via caps
2016-07-12 13:15 <Ubit> err so there is windlight and meta7 windlight ??
2016-07-12 13:38 <nebadon> yes though i have no idea if meta7 stuff still works
2016-07-12 13:38 <nebadon> I stopped using it a very long time ago myself
2016-07-12 13:40 <Ubit> well mantis 7961  seems ok  on my test region ( excluding the meta7 scripted things )
2016-07-12 13:41 <Ubit> it maybe another PGSQL issue ?
2016-07-12 13:43 <nebadon> ahh that is certainly possible
2016-07-12 13:43 <osmantis> Bug #7961:04 Windlight params not sent to viewer upon logging in to region with windlight defined 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7961 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-12 13:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #4722 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-12 13:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4722: SUCCESS in 5 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4722/
2016-07-12 13:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add object UUID to a debug/warn message
2016-07-12 13:52 <osmantis> Bug #7961:04 Windlight params not sent to viewer upon logging in to region with windlight defined 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7961 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-12 13:57 <osmantis> Bug #7964:04 contents of nearby regions may not show up until avatar moves a few meters. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7964 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-07-12 13:57 <Ubit> me adding mantis for me :p
2016-07-12 14:03 <osmantis> Bug #7961:04 Windlight params not sent to viewer upon logging in to region with windlight defined 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7961 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-12 14:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #4723 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-12 14:53 <Ubit> grrrrr
2016-07-12 14:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4723: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4723/
2016-07-12 14:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: work around missing information on child creation, hidding its effects with reduced view range in culling option is on
2016-07-12 15:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #4724 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-12 15:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4724: SUCCESS in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4724/
2016-07-12 15:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: don't break child agents start position
2016-07-12 15:46 <osmantis> Bug #7964:04 contents of nearby regions may not show up until avatar moves a few meters. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7964 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-12 15:49 <osmantis> Bug #7964:04 contents of nearby regions may not show up until avatar moves a few meters. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7964 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-12 15:53 <osmantis> Bug #7964:04 contents of nearby regions may not show up until avatar moves a few meters. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7964 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-12 15:54 <Ubit> im sure im still forgetting something :P
2016-07-12 16:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #4725 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-12 16:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4725: SUCCESS in 5 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4725/
2016-07-12 16:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let radius be radius, not diameter
2016-07-12 17:04 <Melanie_T> nebadon, Ubit: The M7 windlight should maybe be moved into an optional module so people can disable it and use canonical windlight
2016-07-12 17:05 <Melanie_T> i don't think m7 WL does anything LL WL doesn't do
2016-07-12 17:05 <Ubit> its on same module as enviroment i thing
2016-07-12 17:05 <Ubit> think
2016-07-12 17:05 <Ubit> and it optional already
2016-07-12 17:07 <Ubit> ie we have EnviromentModule..  ll base, and LightShareModule, optional
2016-07-12 17:09 <Ubit>  m_enableWindlight = config.Configs["LightShare"].GetBoolean("enable_windlight", false);
2016-07-12 17:09 <Ubit> confusing for noobs like me
2016-07-12 17:10 <Ubit> ken are u still alive or stuck on a dead region?
2016-07-12 17:15 <Ken_Savage_> Im about to log back in
2016-07-12 17:15 <Ubit> 
ACTION hides

2016-07-12 17:15 <Ken_Savage_> But on test grid, not osg
2016-07-12 17:16 <Ubit> well im hidding at osg on a test region with that true :)
2016-07-12 17:16 <Ken_Savage_> You are not dead so that's a good sign
2016-07-12 17:16 <Ubit> :)
2016-07-12 17:17 <Ubit> but my region does not have 80000 prims
2016-07-12 17:17 <Ubit> btw that option does have some cpu load, of course
2016-07-12 17:19 <Ken_Savage_> How much extra % would you guess?
2016-07-12 17:19 <Ubit> no guess :p
2016-07-12 17:19 <Ubit> depends on number of linksets
2016-07-12 17:20 <Ubit> and can't think about optimizing when it still doesn't work completly :)
2016-07-12 17:20 <Ken_Savage_> Does the culling use the Viewer's view distance... or what?
2016-07-12 17:20 <Ubit> of course it uses it
2016-07-12 17:21 <Ubit> if you set 1024  you will only be wasting cpu :p
2016-07-12 17:22 <Ubit> ... 1024m ..
2016-07-12 17:24 <Ken_Savage_> I feel some very short pauses when moving about after traveling at least 1024
2016-07-12 17:24 <Ken_Savage_> Ever few seconds
2016-07-12 17:25 <Ubit> are those the old ones?
2016-07-12 17:25 <Ubit> aren't ?
2016-07-12 17:25 <Ubit> where every minute?
2016-07-12 17:25 <Ken_Savage_> No, the old ones were about once a minute and the pause was longer
2016-07-12 17:26 <Ubit> ok
2016-07-12 17:26 <Ken_Savage_> These are very very short... but I need to wait until all other sims on this server are loaded.
2016-07-12 17:26 <Ken_Savage_> It may just be a busy server issue
2016-07-12 17:26 <Ubit> how many prims?
2016-07-12 17:27 <Ken_Savage_> 53,000
2016-07-12 17:27 <Ubit> poor machines.. :p
2016-07-12 17:27 <Ken_Savage_> Thats what they are made for... to be beat on.
2016-07-12 17:28 <Ubit> :)
2016-07-12 17:30 <Ken_Savage_> A couple of red exception errors on the console, but may not be related to this at all.
2016-07-12 17:30 <Ken_Savage_> Will PM one of them to you.
2016-07-12 17:31 <Ubit> hmm odd
2016-07-12 17:31 <Ubit> but unrelated
2016-07-12 17:32 <Ubit> btw that is osgrid code no ?
2016-07-12 17:33 <Ken_Savage_> It is latest dev master code as of now
2016-07-12 17:34 <Ubit> opensim addon-modules is empty.  at osg we put there osg modules
2016-07-12 17:34 <Ubit> opensimProfile and OpenSimSearch
2016-07-12 17:35 <Ubit> so kick dan on that red thing :)
2016-07-12 17:35 <Ken_Savage_> Odd, I cannot TP out of this sim.
2016-07-12 17:36 <Ken_Savage_> Says Sercice Request failed. Unable to connect to the remote server.
2016-07-12 17:36 <Ken_Savage_> *Service
2016-07-12 17:36 <Ubit> no ideia.. unrelated also
2016-07-12 17:36 <Ken_Savage_> Will relog
2016-07-12 17:37 <Ken_Savage_> Wow, that was a very good sign...
2016-07-12 17:37 <Ubit> hmm ?
2016-07-12 17:37 <Ken_Savage_> Logging off from this sim was causing viewer freeze on shutdown for 1+ minute.
2016-07-12 17:38 <Ken_Savage_> Was only a few seconds this time
2016-07-12 17:38 <Ken_Savage_> Was same behavior as when tping out
2016-07-12 17:38 <Ken_Savage_> But seems to be no more :)
2016-07-12 17:38 <Ubit> check viewer memory use 
2016-07-12 17:39 <Ken_Savage_> Logging back in now...
2016-07-12 17:39 <Ubit> ( to compare with option false =
2016-07-12 17:41 <Ubit> that profile error is odd.. seems it tried to use a scene without having one
2016-07-12 17:41 <Ubit> but kick dan on that :)
2016-07-12 17:43 <Ken_Savage_> I have view distance set to 1024 (yea I know what you said about that)
2016-07-12 17:43 <Ubit> it shoudl work.. just not been usefull
2016-07-12 17:44 <Ken_Savage_> The pauses start when I get about 1024 out
2016-07-12 17:44 <Ubit> about 1024 out ?
2016-07-12 17:44 <Ken_Savage_> from sw corner of var, where I started
2016-07-12 17:45 <Ken_Savage_> From landing point that is
2016-07-12 17:45 <Ubit> what you mean 1024 out ?
2016-07-12 17:46 <Ken_Savage_> When my AV gets about 1024 meters away from the original landing point
2016-07-12 17:46 <Ubit> hmm that is odd
2016-07-12 17:46 <Ken_Savage_> So I assume thats when the culling would start
2016-07-12 17:46 <Ubit> err or now
2016-07-12 17:46 <Ubit> or not
2016-07-12 17:46 <Ubit> it can be its processing yes
2016-07-12 17:48 <Ken_Savage_> Viewer memory use seems to peak at slightly less than 4,000 meg
2016-07-12 17:48 <Ubit> what viewrange ?
2016-07-12 17:48 <Ken_Savage_> And it sometimes goes down a bit, so I assume thats an affect of the culling
2016-07-12 17:49 <Ken_Savage_> 1024
2016-07-12 17:49 <Ubit> man set it to 64 :p
2016-07-12 17:49 <Ken_Savage_> 64 sux hahah
2016-07-12 17:49 <Ken_Savage_> But yes will do
2016-07-12 17:50 <Ken_Savage_> Kinda hard to fly an airplane with only 64 view distance lol
2016-07-12 17:51 <Ubit> fly by instruments   duahhhhh
2016-07-12 17:51 <Ken_Savage_> Now memory usage is 1,200 meg
2016-07-12 17:52 <Ken_Savage_> Before this change, the freeze when TPing out or logging off happened regardless of view distance used of course
2016-07-12 17:53 <Ubit> and now ?
2016-07-12 17:53 <Ken_Savage_> Hmm,
2016-07-12 17:54 <Ubit> errr damm i still have a bit lock
2016-07-12 17:54 <Ken_Savage_> I changed view distance back to 1024 and memory use only went up to 1,400 meg
2016-07-12 17:54 <Ubit> hmm need to work around the need for this lock
2016-07-12 17:54 <Ubit> you may need to move a bit for the view change to kick in
2016-07-12 17:55 <Ubit> 32m at most
2016-07-12 17:55 <Ken_Savage_> I can see out to 1024 as soon as I changed it
2016-07-12 17:55 <Ubit> that is still not 100% 
2016-07-12 17:55 <Ubit> yes but see is viewer side..  i mean getting the prims to see :p
2016-07-12 17:56 <Ubit> but guess you do notice if they are not there :)
2016-07-12 17:56 <Ken_Savage_> OK, flying around again
2016-07-12 17:56 <Ubit> well think i see the cause of that small freeze
2016-07-12 17:57 <Ubit> in code :
2016-07-12 17:57 <Ubit> ...             // will this take for ever ?
2016-07-12 17:57 <Ubit>             lock(GroupsInView)
2016-07-12 17:57 <Ubit>             {
2016-07-12 17:57 <Ubit> :)
2016-07-12 17:57 <Ubit> guess it does take almost for ever there :p
2016-07-12 17:58 <Ken_Savage_> I flew all the way back to original landing point with view set back to 1024, and memory use never went above 1,450
2016-07-12 17:58 <Ubit> ohh im so silly
2016-07-12 17:58 <Ken_Savage_> Much less than when I originally had it on 1024
2016-07-12 17:59 <Ubit> hmm odd
2016-07-12 18:00 <Ken_Savage_> The only difference is that the first time, I logged into the sim directly
2016-07-12 18:00 <Ken_Savage_> The second time, I logged into a different sim, and then TPd there
2016-07-12 18:01 <Ken_Savage_> Will relog directly into the sim again and check it again
2016-07-12 18:01 <Ubit> ok
2016-07-12 18:01 <Ubit> well in code i do check distances to avatar position and camera position
2016-07-12 18:02 <Ubit> at login camera position may be wrong ??
2016-07-12 18:02 <Ken_Savage_> Soooooo nice to no longer have the viewer shutdown freeze :)
2016-07-12 18:02 <Ubit> how large is the region ?
2016-07-12 18:02 <Ubit> well with 1024, guess you see it all 
2016-07-12 18:03 <Ken_Savage_> Nope, it is a 6x6 sim var, so larger than 1024 for sure
2016-07-12 18:04 <Ubit> 1536   in middle you see it all
2016-07-12 18:04 <Ken_Savage_> Does it also cull terrain data or only textures and prims?
2016-07-12 18:04 <Ubit> prims
2016-07-12 18:04 <Ubit> can't cull terrain.. that code was already there but makes viewers unhappy
2016-07-12 18:05 <Ubit> ( with forgot the option  you see terrain as a circle around tha avatar, then the rest )
2016-07-12 18:05 <Ken_Savage_> 1,012 meg right after login and 1024 view distance.
2016-07-12 18:06 <Ken_Savage_> Everything within 1024 is viewable, so flying to sim middle now
2016-07-12 18:07 <Ubit> region is isolated or has other next to it ?
2016-07-12 18:07 <Ken_Savage_> This one is isolated
2016-07-12 18:08 <Ubit> ( you can also open viewer stats and look to Texture-> count
2016-07-12 18:08 <Ubit> but textures are managed only by viewer..
2016-07-12 18:08 <Ken_Savage_> 1,148 meg now and Im in middle of var
2016-07-12 18:08 <osmantis> Bug #7961:04 Windlight params not sent to viewer upon logging in to region with windlight defined 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7961 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-12 18:09 <Ken_Savage_> Not sure why the first time it went up to almost 4,000
2016-07-12 18:10 <Ken_Savage_> In the center of the var, I cannot see the sim corners any longer, so it is culling those out
2016-07-12 18:11 <Ubit> i may have a hardlimit of 512m still on ;)
2016-07-12 18:11 <Ubit> was there for regions..  so not seen on prims :)
2016-07-12 18:12 <Ken_Savage_> Well viewer memory use is staying very managable now.
2016-07-12 18:14 <Ken_Savage_> I TPd out and there was no freeze at all this time.
2016-07-12 18:14 <Ubit> and you still can see all things if you move closer ? :)
2016-07-12 18:14 <Ken_Savage_> Freeze was up to 1 minute before 100% of the time
2016-07-12 18:14 <Ken_Savage_> Yes
2016-07-12 18:14 <Ubit> cool
2016-07-12 18:14 <Ubit> now test with 64m     well 256m
2016-07-12 18:14 <Ken_Savage_> Other than the short little pauses, I have not seen any issues
2016-07-12 18:15 <Ken_Savage_> OK will change and tp back in
2016-07-12 18:17 <Ken_Savage_> 994 meg, everything in view distance has rezzed
2016-07-12 18:17 <Ubit> fly around then
2016-07-12 18:17 <Ken_Savage_> k, going to center
2016-07-12 18:18 <Ubit> hmm some textures may still show up grey :(
2016-07-12 18:20 <Ken_Savage_> 1,046 meg in sim center
2016-07-12 18:20 <Ken_Savage_> hmmm, I'm not seing any grey textures so far
2016-07-12 18:29 <Plugh> Might be a short meeting this week.
2016-07-12 18:30 <Ubit> now ?
2016-07-12 18:31 <Ken_Savage_> 1139 meg
2016-07-12 18:31 <Ken_Savage_> Some ares of the var are more dense with prims than others
2016-07-12 18:32 <Ubit> yeap normal
2016-07-12 18:33 <Ken_Savage_> I am honestly amazed you have found something that gets rid of the freezing issue
2016-07-12 18:34 <nebadon> oh darn the meeting!
2016-07-12 18:34 <nebadon> sorry Plugh i was on phone
2016-07-12 18:34 <nebadon> just got off
2016-07-12 18:34 <nebadon> had to order some 3D models
2016-07-12 18:35 <Plugh> np. Not much happening today. I'm thinking it will be concluded early for a change.
2016-07-12 18:46 <Plugh> nebadon: You make so many models but still wind up ordering some? :)
2016-07-12 18:50 <nebadon> yes vehcles
2016-07-12 18:50 <nebadon> http://marlinstudios.com/
2016-07-12 18:50 <nebadon> i got their tree pack too
2016-07-12 19:02 <osmantis> Bug #7959:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp() broken at sandbox plaza 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7959 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-12 19:03 <osmantis> Bug #7959:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp() broken at sandbox plaza 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7959 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-07-12 19:28 <Plugh> hm... 7812 indicates that if an item is using volume detect it should not also be marked phantom??
2016-07-12 19:28 <Melanie_T> it's rather more complicated
2016-07-12 19:28 <Melanie_T> there are two flags
2016-07-12 19:29 <Melanie_T> phantom, which is user-set
2016-07-12 19:29 <Melanie_T> and volume-detect, which is script set
2016-07-12 19:29 <Melanie_T> if an object is user-set to phantom, vd will NOT work
2016-07-12 19:29 <Ubit> ( 7812 ??)
2016-07-12 19:29 <Melanie_T> because in opensim, unlike SL, objects that are phantom don't have a collision shape that is set to not collide, but instead have no collision shape at all
2016-07-12 19:30 <Melanie_T> VD objects have a collision shape set to not collide but signal collisions
2016-07-12 19:30 <Melanie_T> so the user MUST NOT set phantom manually or by script if they want to use VD
2016-07-12 19:30 <Melanie_T> but should just call llVolumeDetect(1) on a regular, nonphantom object
2016-07-12 19:31 <Melanie_T> the viewer will then _show_ it as pahntom but it is not _set_ tp pahntom
2016-07-12 19:31 <Melanie_T> rather, when llVolumeDetect(0) us called, it will be a solid object agaib
2016-07-12 19:31 <Ubit> (actually physical phantons do get a physics shape now) 
2016-07-12 19:31 <Melanie_T> if the user sets the object phantom and then calls llVolumeDetect, the detection will not work
2016-07-12 19:31 <Melanie_T> the object will also show as phantom
2016-07-12 19:31 <Melanie_T> but after llVolumeDetect(0) the object will _still_ show as phantom because it actually is
2016-07-12 19:32 <Melanie_T> Ubit: yes. we added that years ago - you did, in fact, do it on ubode
2016-07-12 19:32 <Melanie_T> but that is different from VD
2016-07-12 19:32 <Ubit> yeap it is VD is as you say
2016-07-12 19:32 <Melanie_T> the point is that there is a common error in thinking that because a VD object _aoppears_ phantom is should be _set_ phantom
2016-07-12 19:33 <Melanie_T> which is wrong
2016-07-12 19:33 <Melanie_T> setting hantom manually will cause VD not to work
2016-07-12 19:33 <Ubit> it may even break VD work
2016-07-12 19:33 <Melanie_T> not may
2016-07-12 19:33 <Melanie_T> does
2016-07-12 19:33 <Ubit> :)
2016-07-12 19:34 <Melanie_T> work or not work
2016-07-12 19:34 <Melanie_T> there is no may
2016-07-12 19:35 <Ubit>    state_entry()
2016-07-12 19:35 <Ubit>      {
2016-07-12 19:35 <Ubit>          llVolumeDetect(TRUE);
2016-07-12 19:35 <Ubit>          llSetStatus(STATUS_PHANTOM, TRUE);
2016-07-12 19:35 <Ubit>      }
2016-07-12 19:35 <Ubit> is not good karma
2016-07-12 19:35 <Melanie_T> nope
2016-07-12 19:36 <Melanie_T> that is the ost common beginner's vd error
2016-07-12 19:36 <Ubit> ( its mantis 7819 Plugh )
2016-07-12 19:38 <Ubit> think i made something in VD diferent from SL
2016-07-12 19:38 <Ubit> don't remember what lol
2016-07-12 19:38 <Plugh> Ubit: Um... yeah. that one. 7812 was about llRayCast.
2016-07-12 19:38 <Ubit> VD in child prims?
2016-07-12 19:40 <Plugh> Melanie, ok. Sounds like the code should disable viewer set Phantom setting if the script enabled VD
2016-07-12 19:40 <Ubit> hard to tell
2016-07-12 19:40 <Ubit> what if someone types in reverse order? :)
2016-07-12 19:41 <Plugh> The other option would be that if a script attempts to set VD while the phantom bit is set it should complain to the script writer.
2016-07-12 19:41 <Melanie_T> the code should not _reset_ the flag
2016-07-12 19:41 <Melanie_T> it should ignore it
2016-07-12 19:41 <Melanie_T> but that is harder done than said
2016-07-12 19:42 <Melanie_T> because the code to not create a physics shape is in scene
2016-07-12 19:42 <Melanie_T> so physics never gets to decide to generate a shape despite phantom
2016-07-12 19:42 <Melanie_T> because physics simply doesn't know about phantom
2016-07-12 19:42 <Melanie_T> you, ubit, put a hack into scene to make that possble for physical
2016-07-12 19:42 <Melanie_T> but i believe that is the wrong way
2016-07-12 19:43 <Melanie_T> i think the object should be passed to physics in all cases
2016-07-12 19:43 <Melanie_T> and physics should decide
2016-07-12 19:43 <Melanie_T> which would allow different modules to handle this differnetly according to their capacity
2016-07-12 19:43 <Melanie_T> the choice needs ot be pushed down into the modules
2016-07-12 19:44 <osmantis> Bug #7819:04 volume detect and collisions do not work proprely 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7819 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-12 19:45 <Plugh> I think my second suggestion might be the way to go for now.
2016-07-12 19:45 <Ubit> i did consider passing all to physics in ubOde..  but that costs a lot
2016-07-12 19:45 <Melanie_T> Ubit: how so?
2016-07-12 19:45 <Melanie_T> the physics module ca decide early that it doesn't wnt to handle an object 
2016-07-12 19:46 <Melanie_T> overhead is one function call
2016-07-12 19:46 <Ubit> i could also fix some castrasy issues on phantoms
2016-07-12 19:46 <Melanie_T> Plugh: resetting a user set flag is _bad_ juju
2016-07-12 19:46 <Melanie_T> don't go there
2016-07-12 19:46 <Melanie_T> it breaks continuity in the UI
2016-07-12 19:46 <Plugh> Melanie_T: no, I was suggesting outputting a warning message to the user.
2016-07-12 19:46 <Melanie_T> it conuses people
2016-07-12 19:46 <Melanie_T> Plugh: that would break SL scripts
2016-07-12 19:46 <Ubit> ( what hell did i made diferent from sl ?? grrr my memory... )
2016-07-12 19:47 <Melanie_T> you'd have badly written SL scripts yelling all over the place
2016-07-12 19:47 <Melanie_T> also bad juju
2016-07-12 19:47 <Plugh> Melanie, why would it break
2016-07-12 19:47 <Melanie_T> i mean, it would be annoyingly noisy
2016-07-12 19:47 <Plugh> um... why would that be any worse than the devices already being broken?
2016-07-12 19:47 <Melanie_T> if someone were to use a certain common sliding door script from SL
2016-07-12 19:48 <Melanie_T> worse than already being broken is when passersby also get annoyed by scripts yelling on top of the doors not working ;)
2016-07-12 19:48 <Ubit> nopes its not vd on child prims
2016-07-12 19:48 <Plugh> The message should go to the script or object owner and not be one that just anyone passing by would see.
2016-07-12 19:48 <Ubit> funny id the ideia i added a hack to allow VD only on child prims
2016-07-12 19:48 <Melanie_T> still little point
2016-07-12 19:48 <Melanie_T> 95% just copypaste script fro sl
2016-07-12 19:49 <Melanie_T> and leave them if they don't work
2016-07-12 19:49 <Melanie_T> i have once seen an item of clothing with 4 resizers in it
2016-07-12 19:49 <Plugh> So how are you going to get people to fix their broken devices if they don't know about the problem and how to fix it?
2016-07-12 19:49 <Melanie_T> asking the creator why, they answered "the first 3 didn't work"
2016-07-12 19:49 <Melanie_T> Plugh: I don't plan to
2016-07-12 19:49 <Melanie_T> it's not much work to push all objects down to physics manager
2016-07-12 19:50 <Melanie_T> then the phys layer can decide
2016-07-12 19:50 <Melanie_T> and will see both flags set
2016-07-12 19:50 <Melanie_T> and ignore the phantom one in that case
2016-07-12 19:50 <Melanie_T> so SL scripts will work
2016-07-12 19:50 <Melanie_T> and not be fixed for opensim
2016-07-12 19:51 <Plugh> That will need to be handled by each of the current physics engines?
2016-07-12 19:51 <Melanie_T> yes. it's not like there are 50
2016-07-12 19:51 <Ubit> not hard on ubOde
2016-07-12 19:51 <Melanie_T> for the others it's merely pshing the check from scene down into the engine
2016-07-12 19:51 <Ubit> just a lot of ppl doesn't know about shape type none
2016-07-12 19:51 <Melanie_T> with no other change
2016-07-12 19:52 <Ubit> damm
2016-07-12 19:52 <Ubit>  im sure i added a hack to allow child prims to have VD without making all "phantom"
2016-07-12 19:53 <Ubit> for swiming polls etc
2016-07-12 19:53 <Plugh> Unless all engines get updated around the same time we will have some objects that work in some engines and not others.
2016-07-12 19:53 <Ubit> or it was lost in merge or it is a good hack :)
2016-07-12 19:54 <Plugh> grr... I'm sure I told Kokua to login to my home region and it went to my last location.
2016-07-12 19:55 <Plugh> shape type of none? That's something that can't be set in a viewer. 
2016-07-12 19:55 <Melanie_T> Plugh: we already have that
2016-07-12 19:56 <Plugh> oh, its a value for PRIM_PHYSICS_SHAPE_TYPE
2016-07-12 19:56 <Ubit> see another that didn't know about type none
2016-07-12 19:56 <Ubit> hihihih
2016-07-12 19:56 <Plugh> I don't do much scripting re: Physics.
2016-07-12 19:57 <Ubit> well that does not work on the root prim :(
2016-07-12 19:57 <Ubit> LL things..
2016-07-12 19:57 <Plugh> Is there a wiki page or a doc that says don't set object to Phantom that is using VD?
2016-07-12 19:58 <Ubit> think this is also a old issue at sl
2016-07-12 19:59 <Ubit> yeap see
2016-07-12 19:59 <Ubit> http://lslwiki.net/lslwiki/wakka.php?wakka=llVolumeDetect
2016-07-12 19:59 <Ubit> "The object can NOT be set to phantom by any other means, or else llVolumeDetect will not work. llVolumeDetect will set phantom automatically.
2016-07-12 19:59 <Ubit> "
2016-07-12 19:59 <Plugh> ok, ty
2016-07-12 20:01 <Ubit> Ahhh
2016-07-12 20:01 <Ubit> It can only be applied to the root prim (which will make the entire object VolumeDetect). 
2016-07-12 20:02 <Ubit> we can apply it on child
2016-07-12 20:02 <Ubit> ( but for some reason we are making the damm thing all phantom )
2016-07-12 20:02 <Ubit> guess something was lost on the merge
2016-07-12 20:03 <Ubit> ( i did lost lots of swiming pools water :p )
2016-07-12 20:04 <Ubit>          if (!m_host.ParentGroup.IsDeleted)
2016-07-12 20:04 <Ubit>                 m_host.ParentGroup.ScriptSetVolumeDetect(detect != 0);
2016-07-12 20:05 <Ubit> hmmm
2016-07-12 21:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #4726 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-12 21:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4726: SUCCESS in 5 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4726/
2016-07-12 21:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  reduce some locks on culling checks
2016-07-12 22:13 <Ubit> can anyone on linux tell me what opensim.log shows in 
2016-07-12 22:13 <Ubit> LLUDPSERVER]: Average Environment.TickCount resolution 
2016-07-12 22:13 <Ubit> ?
2016-07-12 22:17 <danbanner> i seem to recal 2ms
2016-07-12 22:17 <danbanner> let me look tho
2016-07-12 22:20 <Ubit> ty
2016-07-12 22:20 <danbanner> 1ms on mine
2016-07-12 22:20 <Ubit> ok thx
2016-07-12 22:20 <Ken_Savage_> Ubit, sims on test grid are restarting with your last change
2016-07-12 22:20 <Ken_Savage_> Will let you know if pauses seem better
2016-07-12 22:20 <Ubit> im about to add other... but unrelated
2016-07-12 22:20 <Ubit> ok ty
2016-07-12 22:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #4727 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-12 22:28 <Ubit> ( ok that means that im slowing down a thread :p )
2016-07-12 22:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4727: SUCCESS in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4727/
2016-07-12 22:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: be nicer to PIs (actually linux)
2016-07-12 22:54 <Ubit> ken are u still alive ?
2016-07-12 22:55 <Ken_Savage_> Yes, cant tell much difference in the pauses
2016-07-12 22:55 <Ubit> oh? :(
2016-07-12 22:55 <Ken_Savage_> They happen every few seconds.
2016-07-12 22:56 <Ken_Savage_> Tried doing some driving and it is doable, but pretty jerky
2016-07-12 22:56 <Ubit> yeap they where bad
2016-07-12 22:57 <Ken_Savage_> It will be online until next code change if you want to check it out again.
2016-07-12 22:57 <Ubit> they don't happen with the option off right ?
2016-07-12 22:58 <Ken_Savage_> They have not been, but I did not check it today before changing it to true
2016-07-12 22:58 <nebadon> cpu is down to 60% on my pi
2016-07-12 22:58 <Ken_Savage_> I should change it to false and check it
2016-07-12 22:58 <nebadon> however i still have scripts disabled
2016-07-12 22:58 <nebadon> let me log in and fire stuff back up
2016-07-12 22:58 <Ubit> ok
2016-07-12 22:59 <Ubit> how much was the load before this commit ? ( and with 0.8 ? )
2016-07-12 23:05 <nebadon> right now wiht both of us there is 170% cpu
2016-07-12 23:05 <nebadon> i havet run 0.8.2 on my pi since before nov 2015
2016-07-12 23:05 <nebadon> so my memory isnt so great 
2016-07-12 23:06 <Ubit> i left.. reduced?
2016-07-12 23:06 <nebadon> ya its 130% now
2016-07-12 23:06 <nebadon> actually 110%
2016-07-12 23:06 <nebadon> its definitely better
2016-07-12 23:06 <Ubit> ok leave also  to see iddle
2016-07-12 23:06 <nebadon> ok
2016-07-12 23:07 <nebadon> its about 70-75%
2016-07-12 23:08 <nebadon> with scripts running now
2016-07-12 23:08 <Ubit> was 90 ?
2016-07-12 23:08 <nebadon> more like 95-99% before
2016-07-12 23:08 <Ubit> ok a bit better
2016-07-12 23:08 <nebadon> yea for sure
2016-07-12 23:08 <nebadon> i want to say back on 0.8 it was more like 50-60% sitting idle
2016-07-12 23:09 <nebadon> its hard to say though i may have added a few things since then
2016-07-12 23:09 <nebadon> but nothing there is really in anyway heavy
2016-07-12 23:09 <nebadon> just a few timers
2016-07-12 23:09 <nebadon> for the blinking LEDS
2016-07-12 23:09 <nebadon> and some target omegas
2016-07-12 23:10 <Ubit> well 10% added load is not as catasfic as 40 to 50 :)
2016-07-12 23:10 <Ubit> catastrofic..
2016-07-12 23:11 <Ubit> ( but i did slow down that thread more than 0.8 on iddle i think )
2016-07-12 23:12 <nebadon> cool, ya every bit helps for sure
2016-07-12 23:12 <nebadon> no doubt when i was running 0.8 i was also running older mono too
2016-07-12 23:12 <nebadon> so that may contribute a bit
2016-07-12 23:12 <nebadon> ie sgen vs boehm
2016-07-12 23:13 <nebadon> honestly though i dont remembe what i ran back then
2016-07-12 23:13 <nebadon> i tend to run bleeding edge mono always so its possible it wasnt so old
2016-07-12 23:15 <Ubit> yeap on iddle it sleeps 250ms ( test value that does seem ok )
2016-07-12 23:15 <Ubit> it was 100ms
2016-07-12 23:16 <Ubit> with clients.. hmm no ideia possible its slower now also
2016-07-12 23:16 <Ubit> it was kinda of impredictable in .8
2016-07-12 23:17 <Ken_Savage_> Ubit, the pauses went away when set to false after everything rezed.
2016-07-12 23:17 <Ken_Savage_> I can see the entire sim.
2016-07-12 23:17 <Ubit> ok so its the option :(
2016-07-12 23:17 <Ken_Savage_> Memory usage is 1,650
2016-07-12 23:17 <Ubit> 50000 prims are a lot of linksets :(
2016-07-12 23:17 <Ken_Savage_> I guess so
2016-07-12 23:18 <Ken_Savage_> But it is as smooth as glass now
2016-07-12 23:18 <Ubit> but odd.. im doing it on a thread.. should not have that impact
2016-07-12 23:19 <Ubit> except for that 1minute thing
2016-07-12 23:19 <Ken_Savage_> Maybe the constant loading and unloading of stuff?
2016-07-12 23:20 <Ubit> yeap possible
2016-07-12 23:20 <Ubit> thats a bit heavy also
2016-07-12 23:20 <Ken_Savage_> With it on false, everything is loaded apparently
2016-07-12 23:20 <Ubit> yeap as before
2016-07-12 23:20 <Ubit> all sent to viewer
2016-07-12 23:21 <Ken_Savage_> Well, let me know if you want to try something else.
2016-07-12 23:21 <Ubit> ok thx
2016-07-12 23:21 <Ken_Savage_> At least we have a baseline now
2016-07-12 23:21 <Ubit> well was nice for the viewer.. but not to move around :)
2016-07-12 23:21 <Ken_Savage_> Have to put up with the viewer freezes a while longer lol
2016-07-12 23:22 <Ken_Savage_> Yep for sure
2016-07-12 23:23 <Ken_Savage_> So is it the prims or the textures on the prims that causes the unload freeze... or both?
2016-07-12 23:23 <Ubit> textures are done by viewer a bit after prims
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2016-07-13 00:09 <nebadon> Ubit plazas are updated
2016-07-13 00:09 <nebadon> danbanner said things are using less cpu
2016-07-13 00:10 <Ubit> yeap he told me also :)
2016-07-13 00:15 <nebadon> i also updated robust
2016-07-13 00:15 <nebadon> and compiled it in Release mode this time
2016-07-13 00:26 <Ubit> ok
2016-07-13 00:30 <smxy> I've been meaning to say that it's nice to see you back, nebadon. You were missed. :)
2016-07-13 01:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #4728 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-13 01:15 <Uraquitan> about: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OpenSimSearch i did it but no works. Place search no affect
2016-07-13 01:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4728: SUCCESS in 4 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4728/
2016-07-13 01:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few changes to culling
2016-07-13 01:19 <CrasherRob> On Windows, I get this warning message after every "Sending map image jpeg" message: "WARN  (269) - OpenSim.Framework.Servers.HttpServer.BaseHttpServer [BASE HTTP SERVER]: HandleRequest threw An existing connection was forcibly closed by the remote host. NOTE: this may be spurious on Linux" This happens without users present on the Sims. Is this a known issue?
2016-07-13 01:21 <Ubit> yeap
2016-07-13 01:28 <CrasherRob> Thanks Ubit. Also, these map updates occur about 1 hour after startup even though I have data_snapshot_period = 86400 in OpenSim.ini. Is there some other config control I need to change?
2016-07-13 01:29 <Ubit> that should be it i think
2016-07-13 01:29 <Ubit> err snapshot ??
2016-07-13 01:29 <Ubit> should be map something
2016-07-13 01:31 <Ubit>   ; Refresh (in seconds) the map tile periodically
2016-07-13 01:31 <Ubit>     ;MaptileRefresh = 0
2016-07-13 01:31 <Ubit> ?
2016-07-13 01:31 <CrasherRob> I have that defaulted.
2016-07-13 01:35 <Ken_Savage_> Ubit, will test yopur last change and report back in about 30 minutes or so.
2016-07-13 01:37 <Ubit> it will do the same
2016-07-13 01:37 <Ubit> think its the kiils
2016-07-13 01:42 <Ubit> going to sleep now :)
2016-07-13 02:11 <Uraquitan> about search places there are any different information about it? http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OpenSimSearch 
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2016-07-13 09:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #4729 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-13 09:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4729: SUCCESS in 5 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4729/
2016-07-13 09:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add missing prim count for stats
2016-07-13 09:47 <Ubit> errr
2016-07-13 09:47 <Ubit> 10:46:57 - [REST]: Request POST http://xbakes.osgrid.org/bakes/284b2787-d3e7-1e9
2016-07-13 09:47 <Ubit> a-010b-c3c099f86a42 failed with status ProtocolError and message The remote serv
2016-07-13 09:47 <Ubit> er returned an error: (502) Bad Gateway.
2016-07-13 09:47 <Ubit> this is new to me
2016-07-13 09:49 <Ubit> 502 Bad Gateway
2016-07-13 09:49 <Ubit> nginx
2016-07-13 10:54 <osmantis> Bug #7819:04 volume detect and collisions do not work proprely 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7819 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2016-07-13 10:55 <osmantis> Bug #7819:04 volume detect and collisions do not work proprely 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7819 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2016-07-13 13:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #4730 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-13 13:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4730: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4730/
2016-07-13 13:23 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: ugly culling
2016-07-13 13:23 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: ignore camera on culling for now
2016-07-13 14:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #4731 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-13 15:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4731: SUCCESS in 5 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4731/
2016-07-13 15:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: don't overlap Select and Deselect, fix deselect prims account
2016-07-13 15:03 <djphil> Hmmm, with llKeyFrameMotion, when you select a object scripted (eg: a elevator) with your camera, the camera mouvments is inversed ... (if you select (with your cam) your avatar above this object, the camera mouvment is correct.
2016-07-13 15:05 <Ubit> sounds like viewer thing
2016-07-13 15:05 <Ubit> region as little or none word about camera
2016-07-13 15:05 <djphil> oki
2016-07-13 15:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #4732 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-13 15:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4732: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4732/
2016-07-13 15:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: slow down culling kills even more
2016-07-13 15:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #4733 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-13 15:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4733: SUCCESS in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4733/
2016-07-13 15:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Oops that was not slower
2016-07-13 15:35 <Plugh> I missed Uraquitan. I was at an in world event during that time and didn't notice them asking about OpenSimSearch. I hope they come back and ask again today when I'm around.
2016-07-13 19:20 <Plugh> Hm... A new version of Skype for Linux is in the works -> https://community.skype.com/t5/Linux/Skype-for-Linux-Alpha-and-calling-on-Chrome-amp-Chromebooks/td-p/4434299
2016-07-13 21:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #4734 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-13 21:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4734: SUCCESS in 5 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4734/
2016-07-13 21:41 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: use geometric center and not sog root position in culling
2016-07-13 21:41 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: make getBoundsCenter() call GetBoundsRadius() to do the math if needed
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2016-07-13 23:50 <Plugh> Hm... I block someones voice in Kokua and it makes the avatar go invisible too. :/
2016-07-13 23:51 <Ubit> cool :)
2016-07-13 23:54 <Plugh> um... I suppose. Not what I wanted. I just wanted to stop their voice as they had an open mic at a live music event.
2016-07-14 01:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #4735 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-14 01:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4735: SUCCESS in 5 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4735/
2016-07-14 01:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  revert changes to Select/DeSelect, using the SelectObjects as control seems bad
2016-07-14 07:54 <osmantis> Bug #6559:04 [EMAIL] DefaultEmailModule Exception Unrecognized authentication type 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6559 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
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2016-07-14 10:51 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-14 13:16 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-14 13:18 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-14 13:45 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-14 14:11 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-14 14:14 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-14 14:32 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-14 16:09 <Plugh> Is there a wiki page that provides guidelines or suggestions as to what are the typical messages a module should output to the console log during startup/shutdown?
2016-07-14 16:38 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-07-15 08:18 <osmantis> Bug #7962:04 Parcel invisibility setting does not persist through sim restarts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7962 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-15 09:11 <osmantis> Bug #7962:04 Parcel invisibility setting does not persist through sim restarts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7962 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-15 10:35 <Ubit> hmm where is my suicidal tester Guinea pig?
2016-07-15 10:35 <Ubit> ahh ken are u there ? :)
2016-07-15 13:28 <osmantis> Bug #7962:04 Parcel invisibility setting does not persist through sim restarts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7962 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-15 14:10 <osmantis> Bug #7962:04 Parcel invisibility setting does not persist through sim restarts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7962 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-15 14:12 <osmantis> Bug #7962:04 Parcel invisibility setting does not persist through sim restarts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7962 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-15 14:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #4736 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-15 14:38 <osmantis> Bug #7962:04 Parcel invisibility setting does not persist through sim restarts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7962 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-15 14:39 <osmantis> Bug #7962:04 Parcel invisibility setting does not persist through sim restarts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7962 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-15 14:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4736: SUCCESS in 6 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4736/
2016-07-15 14:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: lib omv now supports SeeAvs fields, so use it, thx Gavin Hird
2016-07-15 14:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #4737 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-15 14:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4737: SUCCESS in 5 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4737/
2016-07-15 14:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: PGSQL: Update simulation data with a number of missing fields for parcels. Some of the fields should probably be migrated to type Boolean to avoid the hairy casting in the query. In addition the overall server code relies in the Replace in SQL statement that is proprietary to MySQL, so the PGSQL code is rather unsafe as it is. Should probably set a transaction on the whole operation so that if something goes wrong the database record 
2016-07-15 14:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #4738 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-15 14:57 <osmantis> Bug #7962:04 Parcel invisibility setting does not persist through sim restarts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7962 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-15 15:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4738: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4738/
2016-07-15 15:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  disable OSHttpTests that will collide with testing new http server changes
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2016-07-16 12:14 <osmantis> Bug #7965:04 [BASE HTTP SERVER] Handle Request Threw An existing connection was forcibly closed by the remote host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7965 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-16 13:36 <osmantis> Bug #7965:04 [BASE HTTP SERVER] Handle Request Threw An existing connection was forcibly closed by the remote host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7965 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2016-07-16 13:36 <osmantis> Bug #7965:04 [BASE HTTP SERVER] Handle Request Threw An existing connection was forcibly closed by the remote host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7965 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2016-07-16 18:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #4739 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-16 18:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4739: SUCCESS in 6 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4739/
2016-07-16 18:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: simplify http textures and meshs Throttles
2016-07-16 19:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #4740 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-16 19:24 <Ubit> "we need we need"  yeahh :)
2016-07-16 19:25 <Ken_Savage> Revision after server changes?
2016-07-16 19:25 <Ubit> http server
2016-07-16 19:26 <Ken_Savage> Ahh
2016-07-16 19:26 <Ubit> im breaking it on another repo
2016-07-16 19:28 <Ubit> if you want to test, clear viewer cache, and pray textures will show up again :p
2016-07-16 19:28 <Ubit> and meshs  err etc
2016-07-16 19:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4740: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4740/
2016-07-16 19:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: http send is blocking, so we need we need to do it async in all cases. - this will need revision after server changes
2016-07-16 19:29 <Ken_Savage> What is your confidence in the last 2 changes?
2016-07-16 19:30 <Ubit> should have no problems
2016-07-16 19:30 <Ubit> but you know me by now ;)
2016-07-16 19:30 <Ken_Savage> K, updating now then
2016-07-16 19:30 <Ken_Savage> Yes, and I have lots of confidence in your changes :)
2016-07-16 19:31 <Ubit> lol
2016-07-16 19:32 <Ken_Savage> Main thing is that I know you will fix if you break ;)
2016-07-16 19:33 <Ubit> well it whould be nice if viewera asked for some textures.. grr
2016-07-16 19:33 <Ubit> ahh it asked
2016-07-16 19:42 <Melanie_T> Ubit:about the http server
2016-07-16 19:42 <Ubit> yes?
2016-07-16 19:42 <Melanie_T> did you find a better fix for the lost bytes in the middle of messages?
2016-07-16 19:42 <Melanie_T> or did you just put the bug back in that i tried to fix
2016-07-16 19:43 <Ubit> im assuming it was a fail  hidden by the try catch we had there
2016-07-16 19:43 <Melanie_T> no. the issue is really a mono issue and must be addressed in the http server
2016-07-16 19:43 <Melanie_T> it's nothing that canbe done in opensim to "fix" this
2016-07-16 19:43 <Ubit> can't for now withouf breaking ssl
2016-07-16 19:44 <Melanie_T> because the needed data (sent byte count vs. requested byte count) is lost within mono 4.3'
2016-07-16 19:44 <Ubit> well i whould like a confitmation on that issue on that mono later
2016-07-16 19:44 <Melanie_T> i won't have access to my old emails for a while yet
2016-07-16 19:45 <Melanie_T> i need to move into the house get broadband turned on and get the server they're on from storage
2016-07-16 19:45 <Ubit> you know how to repo the issue?
2016-07-16 19:45 <Melanie_T> but the bug IS confirmed and that email contains test cases using just the mono api, they are not opensim based
2016-07-16 19:45 <Ubit> grrr
2016-07-16 19:45 <Ubit> suporting ssl with that..  yeak pain
2016-07-16 19:46 <Melanie_T> proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that mono (.net imported code in mono) doesn't work with BSD sockets
2016-07-16 19:46 <Melanie_T> because MS wrote it for winsock which never sned less bytes than requested
2016-07-16 19:46 <Melanie_T> but bsd does
2016-07-16 19:46 <Ubit> well that woek is on its repo.. not this master..
2016-07-16 19:47 <Melanie_T> well, i'm not sure why it's such a pain, it just would mean adding the crypto to a memory stream and then sending the output of the memory stream to the socket
2016-07-16 19:47 <Ubit> yeap that is a pain :P
2016-07-16 19:47 <Melanie_T> why does this actually break ssl? is ssl lower down than the place i put the fix in?
2016-07-16 19:48 <Melanie_T> anyway
2016-07-16 19:48 <Melanie_T> it's ok to roll back this fix of mine even for master
2016-07-16 19:48 <Melanie_T> mono 2.10 isn't broken
2016-07-16 19:48 <Melanie_T> and 3.x may not be broken either
2016-07-16 19:48 <Ubit> because ssl is done by encapsultion of the NetworkStream that has that sockey
2016-07-16 19:48 <Ubit> see ?
2016-07-16 19:48 <Melanie_T> for my own use i have a mono patch that fixes this in mono - if i can find it
2016-07-16 19:49 <Ubit> yr patch just bypasses the ssl stream
2016-07-16 19:49 <Melanie_T> yes i see that
2016-07-16 19:49 <Melanie_T> that is why i'm saying it's ok to remove even in master
2016-07-16 19:49 <Melanie_T> it does more harm than good
2016-07-16 19:49 <Melanie_T> because it would kill LSL https
2016-07-16 19:50 <Melanie_T> or would it?
2016-07-16 19:50 <Melanie_T> which ssl use case actually breaks?
2016-07-16 19:50 <Ubit> ohh revert your patch on master until another fix is found?
2016-07-16 19:50 <Melanie_T> if it breaks lsl https then it needs to be reverted
2016-07-16 19:51 <Melanie_T> if it only breaks corner cases, it's a different story
2016-07-16 19:51 <Melanie_T> but i think it would at least break https-in
2016-07-16 19:51 <Melanie_T> anyway
2016-07-16 19:51 <Melanie_T> a solution needs to be found but this may not be the right one
2016-07-16 19:52 <Ubit> as u said.. doing ssl aside and getting data into the socket
2016-07-16 19:52 <Ubit> a mess :P
2016-07-16 19:59 <Melanie_T> http://pastebin.com/PKGyfTRH
2016-07-16 19:59 <Melanie_T> this is what is needed in mono to fix it
2016-07-16 20:00 <Melanie_T> look at it, it's a corner case that causes the block to not be sent
2016-07-16 20:00 <Ubit> looking
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2016-07-17 13:20 <Ubit> ok now i need a guinea pig
2016-07-17 13:20 <Ubit> 
ACTION looks to Ken_Savage

2016-07-17 13:22 <Ubit> 
ACTION sits at a corner

2016-07-17 13:22 <Ubit> :)
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2016-07-17 13:46 <nebadon> Ubit does this have the http changes we tested before
2016-07-17 13:46 <Ubit> yeap
2016-07-17 13:47 <nebadon> ok so no need to copy dll again
2016-07-17 13:47 <Ubit> nopes, it is on the branch
2016-07-17 13:48 <Ubit> opensim sim changes use a few new methods added to the dll
2016-07-17 13:48 <Ubit> basicly to stop work on lost connections earlier
2016-07-17 13:49 <Ubit> well the ones we do know we lost.
2016-07-17 13:50 <nebadon> newton is updated and restarted
2016-07-17 13:50 <Ubit> it compiled ?
2016-07-17 13:50 <Ubit> nice
2016-07-17 13:51 <nebadon> yea compiled fine :)
2016-07-17 13:53 <Ubit> well im still alive there :)
2016-07-17 13:53 <nebadon> yea
2016-07-17 13:53 <nebadon> seems ok
2016-07-17 13:54 <Ubit> textures and meshs 
2016-07-17 13:54 <Ubit> look fine..
2016-07-17 13:54 <Ubit> didn't test inv
2016-07-17 13:55 <Ubit> hmm some odd things where im
2016-07-17 13:57 <Ubit> single side meshs?
2016-07-17 14:02 <nebadon> probably
2016-07-17 14:02 <nebadon> sorry ubit was afk a sec
2016-07-17 14:02 <Ubit> no prob :)
2016-07-17 14:02 <nebadon> had to feed cat he was screaming at me lol
2016-07-17 14:02 <Ubit> mine are look at me also :)
2016-07-17 14:02 <nebadon> are you talking about those rock faces?
2016-07-17 14:03 <nebadon> if so yes those are single sided mesh
2016-07-17 14:03 <Ubit> parts of houses
2016-07-17 14:03 <nebadon> ah yes
2016-07-17 14:03 <nebadon> those are window boxes
2016-07-17 14:03 <nebadon> to customize the plain looking buidings with no windows
2016-07-17 14:04 <Ubit> but i see them badly from where im looking, single face so transparent from backside
2016-07-17 14:04 <nebadon> yes
2016-07-17 14:04 <Ubit> its as design ?
2016-07-17 14:04 <nebadon> that side goes up against a wall
2016-07-17 14:04 <Ubit> ok
2016-07-17 14:05 <nebadon> its like a kit
2016-07-17 14:05 <nebadon> so you can make dozens of different looking buildings
2016-07-17 14:05 <Ubit> yeap
2016-07-17 14:05 <nebadon> all the stuff in the center is to customize the buildings
2016-07-17 14:06 <Ubit> reloged with clear cache and seems ok
2016-07-17 14:06 <nebadon> nice
2016-07-17 14:06 <nebadon> ya i logged in with cleared cache initially
2016-07-17 14:06 <nebadon> loaded up fine
2016-07-17 14:06 <Ubit> websockets mb broken
2016-07-17 14:06 <nebadon> k
2016-07-17 14:07 <Ubit> we also need to check for aborted connections.. leaks.. the usual :)
2016-07-17 14:07 <Ubit> on FS you can try the httppipeline on and off
2016-07-17 14:08 <Ubit> pipeline should not be serialized corrently on textures,  mesh and inventory
2016-07-17 14:09 <Ubit> ( we do serialize the requests :p )
2016-07-17 14:14 <nebadon> ok
2016-07-17 14:15 <nebadon> in Singularity I did have > ImagePipelineUseHTTP = true
2016-07-17 14:15 <Ubit> think that is diferent
2016-07-17 14:15 <nebadon> k
2016-07-17 14:17 <nebadon> hmm so far in FS everything is grey
2016-07-17 14:18 <nebadon> all the mesh are visible though
2016-07-17 14:18 <Ubit> things to take time no matter what we do :)
2016-07-17 14:18 <nebadon> ya but im not seeing a single texture
2016-07-17 14:19 <Ubit> odd i just cleared cache and reloged with fs and working
2016-07-17 14:19 <nebadon> ya im not getting any textures at all
2016-07-17 14:19 <nebadon> and you have httppiplinging enabled?
2016-07-17 14:20 <Ubit> not on this try
2016-07-17 14:20 <nebadon> ok I do
2016-07-17 14:20 <nebadon> try that with cache cleared
2016-07-17 14:21 <Ubit> inventoy taking ages.. not sure i region or grid
2016-07-17 14:21 <nebadon> inventory seemed to load super fast for me
2016-07-17 14:21 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/no_textures_001.png
2016-07-17 14:21 <nebadon> i still do not see a single texture
2016-07-17 14:21 <nebadon> its been a few minutes now
2016-07-17 14:21 <Ubit> nice grey world :)
2016-07-17 14:22 <nebadon> no errors on sim console
2016-07-17 14:22 <nebadon> im loging out and in again
2016-07-17 14:23 <nebadon> now textures loaded
2016-07-17 14:23 <nebadon> how strange
2016-07-17 14:23 <nebadon> let me try that again
2016-07-17 14:23 <nebadon> maybe inventory and textures are fighting
2016-07-17 14:24 <nebadon> casue this time i already had inventory downloaded
2016-07-17 14:24 <nebadon> inventory does seem super heavy lately
2016-07-17 14:24 <nebadon> dont know why
2016-07-17 14:24 <Ubit> hmm mine seems frozen.. odd
2016-07-17 14:25 <nebadon> i dont even see a single slow request on console
2016-07-17 14:25 <nebadon> which is wierd
2016-07-17 14:25 <nebadon> i usually see some
2016-07-17 14:25 <Ubit> httppipeline took more time
2016-07-17 14:25 <nebadon> ok well interestigly
2016-07-17 14:26 <nebadon> this time i see textures immediately with cache cleared
2016-07-17 14:26 <nebadon> and inventory is going
2016-07-17 14:26 <nebadon> inventory is super fast in FS
2016-07-17 14:26 <nebadon> but really slow in singularity
2016-07-17 14:26 <Ubit> mine is frozen.. buaaaa :)
2016-07-17 14:26 <nebadon> well hmm now mine stopped at 27k
2016-07-17 14:27 <nebadon> for some reason it always stops around 27-28k
2016-07-17 14:27 <nebadon> even in singularity
2016-07-17 14:27 <nebadon> in FS it gets to 28k a lot faster though
2016-07-17 14:27 <nebadon> it will sit here at 27k
2016-07-17 14:27 <nebadon> then all the sudden it jumps to 47k
2016-07-17 14:28 <nebadon> then trickle loads from 47-49k
2016-07-17 14:28 <Ubit> cleared it and low its fetching
2016-07-17 14:28 <Ubit> and now..
2016-07-17 14:28 <Ubit> textures.. if viewer asks for large ones first..  it take timeee.
2016-07-17 14:29 <Ubit> throotle kicks in..
2016-07-17 14:29 <nebadon> my inventory is still stuck at 27k
2016-07-17 14:29 <Ubit> mine at 8k 
2016-07-17 14:29 <nebadon> which is aproximately 50% loaded
2016-07-17 14:30 <Ubit> ok need to review inventory code
2016-07-17 14:30 <nebadon> yea
2016-07-17 14:30 <Ubit> it did load ok on my test region
2016-07-17 14:30 <Ubit> ( well grid side delays)
2016-07-17 14:30 <nebadon> maybe because 2 of us
2016-07-17 14:31 <nebadon> for me though inventory seems to be the #1 thing that has really changed for the worse since 0.8.2 to 0.9
2016-07-17 14:31 <nebadon> ok there it just jumped
2016-07-17 14:31 <nebadon> from 27k to 43k
2016-07-17 14:31 <nebadon> now its going up 
2016-07-17 14:31 <nebadon> and stopped at 48974
2016-07-17 14:32 <nebadon> still says fetching.. but its not moving again
2016-07-17 14:34 <Ubit> ohh 11k now
2016-07-17 14:34 <Ubit> yeap it stuks for ages.. them moves..
2016-07-17 14:35 <nebadon> ya mine still has not finished
2016-07-17 14:35 <nebadon> so i guess technically Singularity actually does seem to finish faster
2016-07-17 14:35 <Ubit> mine did 11636 things :)
2016-07-17 14:35 <nebadon> both still seem a bit slow to me
2016-07-17 14:36 <nebadon> ya thats really odd yours sticks at 8000
2016-07-17 14:36 <nebadon> mine blows right past 8000
2016-07-17 14:36 <Ubit> odd inv does not have throotles
2016-07-17 14:36 <nebadon> it gets to 27k very quickly
2016-07-17 14:36 <nebadon> its like it gets to 60% and just dies
2016-07-17 14:36 <nebadon> no matter how large your inventory is
2016-07-17 14:37 <nebadon> it should have throttles
2016-07-17 14:37 <nebadon> maybe they got removed in merge?
2016-07-17 14:37 <Ubit> never had
2016-07-17 14:37 <nebadon> hmm
2016-07-17 14:37 <Ubit> or im not seening them :)
2016-07-17 14:40 <Ubit> possible inv wasn't even on pool events
2016-07-17 14:42 <nebadon> ok firestorm finally stopped saying fetching
2016-07-17 14:43 <nebadon> the weird thing is it says 48974
2016-07-17 14:43 <nebadon> as the final #
2016-07-17 14:43 <nebadon> even though it said Fetching on that number for like 5+ minutes
2016-07-17 14:43 <nebadon> this feels like deja vu
2016-07-17 14:44 <nebadon> like Crista and I spent days on this back on 0.8.2 resolving this
2016-07-17 14:44 <nebadon> something defintiely changed in 0.9
2016-07-17 14:45 <nebadon> I cant remember what was done now though
2016-07-17 14:45 <Ubit> we have the sources to compare :)
2016-07-17 14:45 <nebadon> or even the time frame it was done in, it has been a while
2016-07-17 14:45 <nebadon> and unfortunately crista is gone for another 2.5 weeks
2016-07-17 14:47 <Ubit> ProcessQueuedRequestsAsync option is true?
2016-07-17 14:58 <nebadon> where is that setting Ubit?
2016-07-17 14:58 <Ubit> good question :)
2016-07-17 14:58 <nebadon> lol
2016-07-17 14:59 <Plugh> Morning, you two.
2016-07-17 15:00 <Ubit> guess it is forced true
2016-07-17 15:00 <nebadon> good morning Plugh :)
2016-07-17 15:03 <Ubit> a dif to 0.8 is aPollRequest poolreq = m_queue.Dequeue(5000);
2016-07-17 15:04 <Ubit> but should be fine if Monitor.Wait(m_queueSync, msTimeout); works 
2016-07-17 15:06 <Ubit> hmm
2016-07-17 15:16 <Ubit> don't think that is.. but was wrong
2016-07-17 15:18 <nebadon> oh wait
2016-07-17 15:19 <nebadon> did you start a new branch??
2016-07-17 15:19 <nebadon> i just noticed this
2016-07-17 15:19 <Ubit> lol
2016-07-17 15:19 <nebadon> Newton isnt on this branch duh
2016-07-17 15:19 <Ubit> LOL
2016-07-17 15:19 <Ubit> so we where testing plain bad 0.9 :)
2016-07-17 15:19 <nebadon> :) ok give me a few to switch over
2016-07-17 15:19 <nebadon> yea
2016-07-17 15:20 <nebadon> I just didnt notice it earlier it was a different branch
2016-07-17 15:20 <Ubit> well its not bad 0.9  the httptests sure is :)
2016-07-17 15:21 <nebadon> ok compiling now on proper branch :)
2016-07-17 15:21 <nebadon> doh of course update now :P
2016-07-17 15:21 <nebadon> oh heh
2016-07-17 15:22 <Ubit> ( this fix was needed on master also )
2016-07-17 15:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #4741 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-17 15:22 <nebadon> yea
2016-07-17 15:23 <Ubit> so httppipile was bad.. lol
2016-07-17 15:23 <Ubit> of course it was :)
2016-07-17 15:24 <nebadon> ok restarting now
2016-07-17 15:24 <nebadon> sorry about that, glad i realized it though
2016-07-17 15:24 <Ubit> :)
2016-07-17 15:25 <nebadon> logging in now
2016-07-17 15:25 <nebadon> with FS
2016-07-17 15:25 <Ubit> in my region inv is as before.. damm
2016-07-17 15:26 <nebadon> so far inventory is up to 32k
2016-07-17 15:26 <nebadon> which is different for me
2016-07-17 15:26 <Ubit> hmm well it did finished faster
2016-07-17 15:26 <nebadon> and its done
2016-07-17 15:26 <nebadon> that was incredibly faster for me
2016-07-17 15:26 <nebadon> but maybe its also because im only avatar there
2016-07-17 15:27 <Ubit> not anymore :)
2016-07-17 15:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4741: SUCCESS in 6 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4741/
2016-07-17 15:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: dont try dequeues if didnt reacquired lock
2016-07-17 15:29 <Ubit> yeap inv a bit faster
2016-07-17 15:30 <nebadon> yea a lot faster
2016-07-17 15:30 <nebadon> let me try Singularity
2016-07-17 15:30 <Ubit> im with httppipe on..  now testing off
2016-07-17 15:32 <nebadon> ok ya this is waaaay better
2016-07-17 15:32 <nebadon> nice
2016-07-17 15:32 <nebadon> no longer stopping at 27-28k anymore
2016-07-17 15:33 <nebadon> infact no more stopping at all now
2016-07-17 15:33 <nebadon> its back to around 1 minute or less for 49k items
2016-07-17 15:33 <Ubit> it could be that blocking queue issue.. not sure
2016-07-17 15:34 <nebadon> so this fix is in master now too?
2016-07-17 15:34 <Ubit> yeap
2016-07-17 15:34 <nebadon> ok great
2016-07-17 15:34 <nebadon> danbanner you might want to update plazas when you get a chance
2016-07-17 15:35 <Ubit> httptests does seem to like httppipeline better than master.. well as i hoped
2016-07-17 15:36 <nebadon> nice
2016-07-17 15:37 <nebadon> I am not seeing the robust spikeing when i clear my cache like i did before
2016-07-17 15:37 <nebadon> and seeing far less slow requests on region console
2016-07-17 15:37 <Ubit> guess its faster without it.. bc we just fake and do serialize the requests
2016-07-17 15:39 <Ubit> err robust should spike as before.. hmm i guess
2016-07-17 15:40 <nebadon> it definitely did not
2016-07-17 15:40 <nebadon> i think maybe before
2016-07-17 15:40 <nebadon> when the viewer would hang at 28k
2016-07-17 15:40 <nebadon> it would be retrying over and over again
2016-07-17 15:41 <nebadon> before when that happened i would start seeing tons of slow requests on sim
2016-07-17 15:41 <nebadon> im not seeing those slow requests anymore and also robust didnt even blip up at all
2016-07-17 15:41 <nebadon> the load didnt change at all
2016-07-17 15:41 <nebadon> before i was seeing load spike up to like 2.0 to 5.0
2016-07-17 15:41 <nebadon> with just me clearing my cache and logging in
2016-07-17 15:41 <Ubit> hm, ok
2016-07-17 15:42 <Ubit> you have a large inv :)
2016-07-17 15:42 <nebadon> ya
2016-07-17 15:42 <nebadon> some of it was designed specifically for testing
2016-07-17 15:42 <nebadon> i have like 5000 links
2016-07-17 15:46 <nebadon> Ubit i see on the console 6 instances of "Received a resend of already processed packet #, type RegionHandleRequest from Ubit Umarov"
2016-07-17 15:46 <nebadon> only 6 total though
2016-07-17 15:46 <nebadon> in a quick 2 second burst
2016-07-17 15:47 <Ubit> lag
2016-07-17 15:47 <Ubit> viewer resent packets
2016-07-17 15:47 <nebadon> yea figured just wanted to let you know anything odd im seeing
2016-07-17 15:48 <Ubit> still took ages to stop telling "fetching" odd
2016-07-17 15:49 <nebadon> ya but not as long as before
2016-07-17 15:49 <nebadon> its still not instantly finishing when it hits that final # though
2016-07-17 15:49 <nebadon> but its a lot better than before
2016-07-17 15:50 <Ubit> mb we are missing something at the end.. don't know
2016-07-17 15:50 <nebadon> yea
2016-07-17 15:53 <Ubit> ok lets see if master inv is now also better
2016-07-17 15:54 <Ubit> should be safe to update plazas
2016-07-17 15:55 <Ubit> Robust..  not sure lol
2016-07-17 15:58 <nebadon> yea i told danbanner he is going to roll a new release too
2016-07-17 15:58 <nebadon> let me update Sisyphus
2016-07-17 15:58 <Ubit> odd
2016-07-17 15:58 <Ubit> my inv either as  .. 5 itens or.  ..6
2016-07-17 15:59 <nebadon> on master?
2016-07-17 15:59 <Ubit> looking on httptests
2016-07-17 15:59 <nebadon> ah
2016-07-17 15:59 <Ubit> we do have some issue with termination somewhere
2016-07-17 16:00 <nebadon> Sisyphus is starting up on master now
2016-07-17 16:00 <nebadon> going to test in a second
2016-07-17 16:01 <nebadon> looking good so far
2016-07-17 16:01 <Ubit> turn off httppipeline on master :)
2016-07-17 16:02 <nebadon> Im on sing
2016-07-17 16:02 <nebadon> it went right past 27k
2016-07-17 16:02 <Ubit> ok
2016-07-17 16:02 <nebadon> up to 33k
2016-07-17 16:02 <nebadon> and its done
2016-07-17 16:02 <nebadon> so yea just as good as Newton, same results
2016-07-17 16:02 <Ubit> a little if  missing :)
2016-07-17 16:05 <Ubit> ok i have one more item in inv lol
2016-07-17 16:05 <Ubit> ...7
2016-07-17 16:06 <Ubit> how was in 0.8 ?
2016-07-17 16:07 <nebadon> this seemes like we are back to exactly how it was in 0.8 to me
2016-07-17 16:07 <nebadon> inventory wise anyway
2016-07-17 16:08 <Ubit> httptests is about keepalives and lost connections
2016-07-17 16:08 <Plugh> nebadon: Is that good or bad?
2016-07-17 16:08 <Ubit> not this.. 
2016-07-17 16:08 <nebadon> its great
2016-07-17 16:08 <Ubit> in this case good Plugh
2016-07-17 16:09 <Plugh> good :)
2016-07-17 16:09 <nebadon> on 0.9 before this fix my inventory was taking as long as 10 minutes to finish downloading
2016-07-17 16:09 <nebadon> now its under 1 minute
2016-07-17 16:09 <Plugh> That's a big improvement.
2016-07-17 16:10 <Ubit> sing says ive ...6 and removed the featching
2016-07-17 16:10 <Ubit> odd
2016-07-17 16:10 <nebadon> wierd
2016-07-17 16:11 <nebadon> is that with http inv?
2016-07-17 16:11 <Ubit> yeap
2016-07-17 16:11 <Ubit> lol now i have ..7 items :)
2016-07-17 16:12 <nebadon> wierd
2016-07-17 16:12 <nebadon> im not seeing that
2016-07-17 16:12 <nebadon> in sing its super fast now for me
2016-07-17 16:14 <Plugh> Which viewer are you using Ubit?
2016-07-17 16:14 <Ubit> fs and singu
2016-07-17 16:14 <Ubit> but variation is with same
2016-07-17 16:14 <nebadon> and this is only at Sisyphus?
2016-07-17 16:15 <nebadon> at Newton this didnt happen right?
2016-07-17 16:15 <Ubit> did
2016-07-17 16:15 <Ubit> its something on master
2016-07-17 16:16 <Ubit> err or robust
2016-07-17 16:17 <Ubit>  7 again
2016-07-17 16:19 <nebadon> how odd I wonder why I am not seeing it
2016-07-17 16:19 <nebadon> let me try again
2016-07-17 16:19 <Ubit> i may have a broken thing also
2016-07-17 16:19 <nebadon> ill try with FS
2016-07-17 16:19 <danbanner> thats on the branch you're testing?
2016-07-17 16:20 <Ubit> on master at sisp now
2016-07-17 16:20 <Ubit> well singu now is coerent all the time
2016-07-17 16:20 <nebadon> im not even seeing any slow requests or anything for you
2016-07-17 16:20 <Ubit> ...7 and closes stops telling it is fecthing
2016-07-17 16:20 <nebadon> in FS into Sisyphus
2016-07-17 16:21 <nebadon> before i even see 1 prim rez
2016-07-17 16:21 <nebadon> inventory is already at 4000
2016-07-17 16:21 <nebadon> at 30k now
2016-07-17 16:21 <nebadon> and its done
2016-07-17 16:22 <Ubit> hmm seems fs does like one item.. suitcase mb ?
2016-07-17 16:22 <nebadon> osgrid shouldnt have suitcase
2016-07-17 16:24 <Ubit> lol now i have ..8 :)
2016-07-17 16:25 <Ubit> ( fs does create prims)
2016-07-17 16:25 <nebadon> what is your bandwidth set too?
2016-07-17 16:25 <Ubit> 1500
2016-07-17 16:25 <nebadon> i am still seeing some Received a resend of already processed packets for you
2016-07-17 16:25 <nebadon> one of them is TransferRequest
2016-07-17 16:25 <nebadon> the rest are RegionHandleRequest
2016-07-17 16:25 <Ubit> 0.1 packet loss
2016-07-17 16:26 <Ubit> newview/llvovolume.cpp(4550) : 2016-07-17T16:25:58Z WARNING:#RenderMaterials LLVolumeGeometryManager::registerFace: Oh no! No binormals for this alpha blended face!
2016-07-17 16:26 <Ubit> fs doesn't like a mesh somewhere :)
2016-07-17 16:27 <nebadon> hmm ya but why is it not happening to me i wonder
2016-07-17 16:27 <Ubit> ( this is on fs log)
2016-07-17 16:32 <Ubit> newview/llinventorymodelbackgroundfetch.cpp(941) : 2016-07-17T16:24:57Z WARNING:#Inventory `anonymous-namespace'::BGFolderHttpHandler::processData: Folder Error: 
2016-07-17 16:32 <Ubit> newview/llviewerdisplay.cpp(234) : 2016-07-17T16:24:58Z INFO: display_stats: FPS: 19.00
2016-07-17 16:32 <Ubit> newview/llinventorymodelbackgroundfetch.cpp(941) : 2016-07-17T16:24:58Z WARNING:#Inventory `anonymous-namespace'::BGFolderHttpHandler::processData: Folder Error: 
2016-07-17 16:32 <Ubit> newview/llinventorymodelbackgroundfetch.cpp(339) : 2016-07-17T16:25:07Z INFO:#Inventory LLInventoryModelBackgroundFetch::setAllFoldersFetched: Inventory background fetch completed
2016-07-17 16:32 <Ubit> whatever this means
2016-07-17 16:35 <nebadon> I wondr if your inventory will download on a non-updated region
2016-07-17 16:35 <nebadon> try OKC Tower
2016-07-17 16:35 <nebadon> or UCI edu1
2016-07-17 16:35 <Ubit> seems fs thinks i have 2 broken folders
2016-07-17 16:38 <Ubit> well its possible i do debug with this avatar :)
2016-07-17 16:39 <Ubit> same thing at tower
2016-07-17 16:40 <Ubit> worked ok for you ?
2016-07-17 16:42 <nebadon> yes
2016-07-17 16:42 <nebadon> im not having problems anywhere
2016-07-17 16:42 <Ubit> ok then its my inv
2016-07-17 16:42 <Ubit> no worries :)
2016-07-17 16:44 <nebadon> when was the last time it fully loaded?
2016-07-17 16:44 <Ubit> it eventually loads
2016-07-17 16:44 <nebadon> oh ok
2016-07-17 16:44 <nebadon> im looking at your inventory on mysql now, nothing jumping out at me
2016-07-17 16:44 <nebadon> but you do have a lot of folders
2016-07-17 16:45 <Ubit> think its outfits.. i had a fight with those
2016-07-17 16:45 <nebadon> ah maybe a bad link
2016-07-17 16:46 <nebadon> what is folder type 47?
2016-07-17 16:46 <nebadon> you have a couple of those
2016-07-17 16:46 <nebadon> one is named "fato" another is named "lixo" and another "normal2"
2016-07-17 16:46 <Ubit> normal2 is a outfit
2016-07-17 16:46 <Ubit> all are
2016-07-17 16:47 <nebadon> hmm ok i thought all non standard folders were -1
2016-07-17 16:47 <nebadon> these are all tagged as type 47
2016-07-17 16:47 <Ubit> yeap
2016-07-17 16:47 <nebadon> is that a link?
2016-07-17 16:47 <Ubit> outfit things should ne standard now
2016-07-17 16:48 <nebadon> well nothing is jumping out at me with your folder structures
2016-07-17 16:49 <Ubit> i deleted one  and trash.. same thing
2016-07-17 16:52 <Ubit> type 47 is  Outfit = 47,
2016-07-17 16:53 <nebadon> yea
2016-07-17 16:53 <nebadon> the Outfits folder is 46
2016-07-17 16:53 <nebadon> so that makes sense
2016-07-17 16:54 <Ubit>         CurrentOutfit = 46,
2016-07-17 16:54 <Ubit>         Outfit = 47,
2016-07-17 16:54 <Ubit>         MyOutfits = 48,
2016-07-17 16:54 <nebadon> ya
2016-07-17 16:54 <nebadon> I dont use those at all
2016-07-17 16:55 <nebadon> so could explain why i dont see it
2016-07-17 16:55 <Ubit> why do i have tons of calling cards with my name? lol
2016-07-17 16:55 <nebadon> interesting
2016-07-17 16:55 <nebadon> so do i
2016-07-17 16:55 <nebadon> maybe something with HG
2016-07-17 16:56 <nebadon> i only have 6
2016-07-17 16:56 <nebadon> oh no i was wrong
2016-07-17 16:56 <nebadon> i was sorted by date
2016-07-17 16:56 <nebadon> I have 23
2016-07-17 16:58 <danbanner> i heard that fs duplicates the calling cards when you clear cache
2016-07-17 16:58 <Ubit> ohh my hat link was brokne
2016-07-17 16:58 <danbanner> not sure if thats true
2016-07-17 17:04 <Ubit> well i deleted those calling cards
2016-07-17 17:05 <danbanner> did you dump trash on the website?
2016-07-17 17:05 <Ubit> did
2016-07-17 17:05 <danbanner> cool
2016-07-17 17:05 <Ubit> and going to do again soon
2016-07-17 17:07 <Ubit> i do have tons of things i edited etc on crash/bug regions
2016-07-17 17:09 <nebadon> yea i generally try to use an alt when i am purposely doing that
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2016-07-17 17:49 <Ubit> odd code
2016-07-17 21:24 <Ubit> odd FS also cretes a calling card with my name at SL.. had several there also
2016-07-17 21:28 <danbanner> fs bug?
2016-07-17 21:29 <Ubit> possible
2016-07-17 21:29 <Ubit> also keeps telling fetching for along time
2016-07-17 21:30 <Ubit> don't see any fs dev around :)
2016-07-17 21:38 <danbanner> no i think they only on jira
2016-07-17 21:39 <Ubit> now and then i find one hidding at sl
2016-07-17 21:57 <nebadon> newton is updated
2016-07-17 21:57 <Ubit> ty
2016-07-17 22:00 <Ubit> my alt does load his 400 inventory items fast :)
2016-07-17 22:00 <Ubit> well plus one call card..
2016-07-17 22:00 <Ubit> fs does it more on opensim odd
2016-07-17 22:08 <Ubit> bahh no may duplicated call cards
2016-07-17 22:09 <Ubit> xii so many kens :)
2016-07-17 22:09 <Ken_Savage> sorry :(
2016-07-17 22:09 <Ubit> :)
2016-07-17 22:10 <Ubit> why all this
2016-07-17 22:10 <Ubit> odd
2016-07-17 22:10 <Ken_Savage> I'll probably be updating all the savage sims to the test branch soon.
2016-07-17 22:10 <Ubit> hmm osg disks are filled with call cards
2016-07-17 22:10 <Ken_Savage> No changes on Robust in this branch?
2016-07-17 22:11 <Ubit> it is affected also
2016-07-17 22:11 <Ubit> ( http server)
2016-07-17 22:11 <Ken_Savage> ok
2016-07-17 22:20 <Ubit> uff i can't clean this up.. whould take ages :)
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2016-07-17 23:48 <Ubit> lol
2016-07-17 23:49 <Ubit> had more than 4000 duplicated calling cards
2016-07-17 23:52 <nebadon> dang
2016-07-17 23:52 <nebadon> that is a lot
2016-07-17 23:52 <Ubit> still have more lol
2016-07-17 23:52 <nebadon> haha
2016-07-17 23:53 <Ubit> xii a flood of Nebadons
2016-07-17 23:54 <nebadon> really? you had a lot from me?
2016-07-17 23:55 <Ubit> yeap
2016-07-17 23:55 <Ubit> in friends->all
2016-07-17 23:55 <nebadon> wierd
2016-07-17 23:55 <nebadon> wonder why
2016-07-17 23:56 <Ubit> ohh
2016-07-17 23:56 <Ubit> dan says its a fs bug
2016-07-17 23:56 <nebadon> ah ya i dont use FS much, almost never on OSgrid
2016-07-17 23:57 <nebadon> i mostly only use it for machinima on Encitra grid
2016-07-17 23:58 <Ubit> yeap similar mess at sl
2016-07-18 00:14 <Ubit> only 2000 there :)
2016-07-18 00:15 <Plugh> Ubit, nebadon: You finished with that inventory issue you been working on?
2016-07-18 00:15 <Ubit> is anything ever finished?
2016-07-18 00:15 <Ubit> :)
2016-07-18 00:15 <Plugh> :)
2016-07-18 00:16 <Ubit> hm possible was a previus version of fs
2016-07-18 00:17 <Ubit> ohh i only have 8000 things :)
2016-07-18 00:17 <Plugh> 8000 items in your inventory or is that the size of your todo list? :)
2016-07-18 00:17 <Ubit> lol
2016-07-18 00:18 <Ubit> grrr what hell does this fs want to fetch
2016-07-18 00:18 <Ubit> even after relog says fetching
2016-07-18 00:24 <nebadon> hmm ya i remember having this problem before and we fixed it
2016-07-18 00:24 <nebadon> but i have no idea what it was now
2016-07-18 00:25 <Ubit> and there is a calling card in my name again
2016-07-18 04:15 <AliciaRaven> Ubit, fs getting stuck satying fetching inventory was an old bug, i thought they had fixed it tho
2016-07-18 04:16 <AliciaRaven> or maybe it was divas inventory fixes that stopped it, not sure now
2016-07-18 10:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #4742 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-18 10:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4742: SUCCESS in 6 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4742/
2016-07-18 10:19 <osjenkins> melanie: Add some additional checks to llTransferLindenDollars.
2016-07-18 10:35 <osmantis> Bug #7966:04 quick help fo creat account on wiki 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7966 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-07-18 10:48 <osmantis> Bug #7967:04 @ spirit 1-866-315 -1620 spirit airlines phone number 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7967 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-07-18 10:54 <danbanner> heh mantis spam
2016-07-18 12:58 <osmantis> Bug #7966:04 quick help fo creat account on wiki 14(  ): has been DELETED.
2016-07-18 13:01 <osmantis> Bug #7967:04 @ spirit 1-866-315 -1620 spirit airlines phone number 14(  ): has been DELETED.
2016-07-18 13:15 <osmantis> Bug #7968:04 Quickbooks Enterprise phone number,,(1~800~919~0992)// Quickbooks Enterprise customer care number, 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7968 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-07-18 13:16 <osmantis> Bug #7968:04 Quickbooks Enterprise phone number,,(1~800~919~0992)// Quickbooks Enterprise customer care number, 14(  ): has been DELETED.
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2016-07-18 23:13 <Matova> hi, does anyone works with it? http://opensimulator.org/wiki/FSAssets_Service All is fine about the steps but inside grid objects cannot be found
2016-07-18 23:16 <nebadon> Matova it should work, maybe AliciaRaven or Melanie_T can help
2016-07-18 23:17 <Melanie_T> fsassets is not as automatic as assets
2016-07-18 23:17 <Melanie_T> you need to create the data directory and set permissions so your opensim user can write there
2016-07-18 23:17 <Melanie_T> see if there is actually anything stored
2016-07-18 23:18 <Melanie_T> also, the temp directory and the data directory MUST be on the sime filesystem
2016-07-18 23:18 <Melanie_T> because it uses atomic move
2016-07-18 23:18 <osmantis> Bug #7969:04 FSAssets 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7969 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-07-18 23:20 <Matova> i did all it, the objects inside the folders correct. 
2016-07-18 23:22 <Matova> was checked on the database too and all is correct. HASH, item name, uuid, hash found at folder too *.gz 
2016-07-18 23:36 <Matova> error message: unable to rez: could not find asset 72ffdc9e-6d49-404c-b22b-096e6e46b6f7 
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2016-07-19 18:00 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid for anyone interested.
2016-07-19 18:07 <Matova> about robust, to connect using an external host comes this message: Grid: Communications failure or Grid: Failed to contact destination. I see the sim but cant access
2016-07-19 18:08 <Ubit> router loopback issues?
2016-07-19 18:09 <Ubit> ( wrong external host? :p )
2016-07-19 18:18 <Matova> ping to ports 80, 25 and the region ports works
2016-07-19 19:32 <nebadon> sorry I missed meetng today Plugh, was not home, just got back
2016-07-19 19:52 <Plugh> nebadon: np
2016-07-19 19:56 <Plugh> nebadon: I just tried to IM someone in osgrid. They just logged off but I was just told "unable to send IM". It didn't save the message.
2016-07-19 20:00 <nebadon> wierd what region were you in?
2016-07-19 20:01 <Plugh> Um... I think it was TanGLe Grid
2016-07-19 20:01 <Plugh> Perhaps they don't have something configured right.
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2016-07-19 20:04 <Plugh> nebadon: I know the people who run TanGLe Grid. I've just left their tech support person some offline IMs.
2016-07-19 20:07 <Plugh> bbl
2016-07-19 23:22 <nebadon> Newton httptests updated
2016-07-19 23:22 <Ubit> :)
2016-07-19 23:28 <nebadon> hmm inventory stuck at 100048 with FS and cleared cache
2016-07-19 23:28 <nebadon> its going again now
2016-07-19 23:28 <nebadon> inventory download seems slower now or something
2016-07-19 23:28 <Ubit> guess its grid
2016-07-19 23:29 <nebadon> ya maybe
2016-07-19 23:29 <Ubit> changes where only some code cleanup and add a response to folder uuid.zero identical to the sl one
2016-07-19 23:30 <Ubit> also fill  folders list on library folders.. no ideia why wasn't there and still seemed to work :)
2016-07-19 23:31 <Ubit> hmm but im noticing something getting stuck after a inventory cache clear
2016-07-19 23:32 <Ubit> clicking on a item should trigger a fetchinventory and it doesn't get there
2016-07-19 23:33 <Ubit> or gets agessss later
2016-07-19 23:35 <nebadon> well it finished download
2016-07-19 23:35 <nebadon> it was hard to tell if it finished quicker at the end though
2016-07-19 23:35 <Ubit> we can't see this on viewer
2016-07-19 23:35 <Ubit> i noticed with proxy
2016-07-19 23:35 <nebadon> ah ok
2016-07-19 23:36 <Ubit> see the request.. no response or very late
2016-07-19 23:39 <Ubit> not that fast the fetch at lbsa
2016-07-19 23:39 <Ubit> why ???
2016-07-19 23:40 <Ubit> well its a ask, response, ask new...  lots of round trips
2016-07-19 23:40 <Ubit> err thngs 1M large yeack
2016-07-19 23:41 <Ubit> 2M other
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2016-07-20 11:02 <djphil> Hello, since yesterday i have many message "slow request" to hg.osgrid.org:80/json_grid_info
2016-07-20 11:02 <djphil> like this : http://pastebin.com/y2RVYm33
2016-07-20 11:03 <djphil> What is going on ?
2016-07-20 11:03 <djphil> Known issue ?
2016-07-20 11:30 <djphil> ... and that the message i recieve in non-stop loop !!! when i show the map
2016-07-20 11:30 <djphil> http://pastebin.com/b8MGSNdP
2016-07-20 11:30 <djphil> hmmm strange :s
2016-07-20 19:56 <Creator> About MoneyServer.exe... necessary run only at the main server, right? or needs run to all sim host?
2016-07-20 19:57 <nebadon> smxy are you around?
2016-07-20 22:39 <Matova> hi all. About avatar Jump, AvatarJumpFrames=4  works? i did but no works
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2016-07-20 23:32 <djphil> Ubit, Hello, what is this message please ?
2016-07-20 23:32 <djphil> 01:31:58 - [PHYSICS]: doChange failed for a actor dj.phil Momentum
2016-07-20 23:33 <Ubit> a bad thing :p
2016-07-20 23:33 <djphil> First time i see it
2016-07-20 23:33 <Ubit> yeah something broken
2016-07-20 23:33 <Ubit> hmm on your avatar? odd
2016-07-20 23:34 <djphil> yes, that come just when my avatar unstuck
2016-07-20 23:34 <Ubit> you had tp or cross or logout ?
2016-07-20 23:34 <Ubit> or unsit?
2016-07-20 23:34 <djphil> to try to unstuck i do 2 TP
2016-07-20 23:35 <djphil> 0 unsit
2016-07-20 23:35 <Ubit> hm something messed up your avatar physics state.. the tps didnt help
2016-07-20 23:35 <djphil> if you remember i say to you sometimes my avatar stay stucked!
2016-07-20 23:36 <Ubit> hmm actually i don't :(
2016-07-20 23:36 <Ubit> in what circunstances?
2016-07-20 23:36 <djphil> i work
2016-07-20 23:36 <djphil> i scripting
2016-07-20 23:36 <djphil> no moving
2016-07-20 23:36 <djphil> head in the script editor
2016-07-20 23:36 <djphil> ^^
2016-07-20 23:37 <djphil> and when i have done scripting, i try to move to test my script
2016-07-20 23:37 <djphil> and stay stucked
2016-07-20 23:37 <Ubit> strange
2016-07-20 23:37 <djphil> yeah ...
2016-07-20 23:38 <Ubit> well sit / stand maybe a better unstuck test
2016-07-20 23:38 <Ubit> it does remove and redo the avatar physics
2016-07-20 23:38 <djphil> oki :p
2016-07-20 23:38 <djphil> good to know
2016-07-20 23:38 <Ubit> but the stuck mb elsewhere on updates
2016-07-20 23:39 <djphil> hehe
2016-07-20 23:39 <djphil> no way :(
2016-07-20 23:39 <Ubit> your wear any scripts?
2016-07-20 23:39 <djphil> no
2016-07-20 23:39 <djphil> my avi is a ruth
2016-07-20 23:39 <djphil> not mesh
2016-07-20 23:40 <Ubit> well let me know it is keeps happening :(
2016-07-20 23:40 <djphil> ok, np
2016-07-20 23:57 <osmantis> Bug #7970:04 Enhancement of osNpcCreate. Giving possibility to set any title, regardless the object's group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7970 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-07-20 23:58 <osmantis> Bug #7970:04 Enhancement of osNpcCreate. Giving possibility to set any title, regardless the object's group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7970 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-07-21 00:24 <TMatherne> hello all, I'm trying to get more involved in open source development, and have been using OpenSim for years, so I want to start contributing.  Any tips on where to begin for a ... well... beginner?
2016-07-21 00:24 <TMatherne> Already downloaded the latest public source and imported it into MonoDevelop (running Linux)
2016-07-21 01:07 <nebadon> hello TMatherne
2016-07-21 01:07 <nebadon> you might take a look at region modules or OSSL
2016-07-21 01:08 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_Region_Modules
2016-07-21 01:11 <nebadon> you can also take a look at the bug tracker mantis, and try to explore fixing some stuff if you are interested in coding getting familiar with the code base
2016-07-21 01:12 <nebadon> just ask questions here if you get stuck on things
2016-07-21 01:12 <nebadon> oh darn they left i just noticed heh
2016-07-21 01:12 <nebadon> i need to change my text colors, quit messages are dark as hell
2016-07-21 01:13 <nebadon> well if anyone notices they come back feel free to copy/paste what i said :)
2016-07-21 01:18 <Plugh> :)
2016-07-21 10:22 <Ubit> errr this was usefull on master lol
2016-07-21 13:45 <Matova> about jump, AvatarJumpFrames works? i did but nothing changes
2016-07-21 14:37 <osmantis> Bug #7970:04 Enhancement of osNpcCreate. Giving possibility to set any title, regardless the object's group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7970 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-21 14:52 <osmantis> Bug #7970:04 Enhancement of osNpcCreate. Giving possibility to set any title, regardless the object's group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7970 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-21 17:53 <osmantis> Bug #7970:04 Enhancement of osNpcCreate. Giving possibility to set any title, regardless the object's group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7970 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-21 21:00 <Mandarinka_T> Hi. I'm not sure whether it's worth to report, but in same way as it was yesterday, I'm observing [Assets]: Upload failed: uuid - Requeuing asset for another run, when I use function osOwnerSaveAppearance
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2016-07-22 00:37 <djphil> osForceAttachToOtherAvatarFromInventory seems no effect on a  NPC.
2016-07-22 00:37 <djphil> It's normal ?
2016-07-22 13:17 <djphil> Hello,iI wonder if it is normal osForceAttachToOtherAvatarFromInventory does not support NPC
2016-07-22 13:37 <Melanie_T> yes
2016-07-22 13:38 <Melanie_T> npc don't have inventory
2016-07-22 13:38 <Melanie_T> but I do have code that i wrote for a client who said it will be opensourced
2016-07-22 13:39 <Melanie_T> it allows accessing the inventory of a user by other means. this includes from an NPC
2016-07-22 13:40 <djphil> ha, ggod to know
2016-07-22 13:40 <djphil> good*
2016-07-22 13:41 <djphil> I thought we were talking about the inventory of the object containing the script
2016-07-22 13:41 <Melanie_T> no force from inventory means to force from the avatar's inventory
2016-07-22 13:41 <Melanie_T> i believe
2016-07-22 13:41 <djphil> heh
2016-07-22 13:41 <Melanie_T> but with this new module, npc can optionally share their owner's inventory
2016-07-22 13:43 <djphil> but what is the exact definition of "inventory" ... it is not clear
2016-07-22 13:43 <djphil> inventory != object inventory
2016-07-22 13:44 <djphil> obviously in this case
2016-07-22 13:45 <djphil> we talk about the personal inventory of each avatar
2016-07-22 13:45 <djphil> however, the object tie (from inventory) is located in the inventory of prim and not in the inventory of an avatar
2016-07-22 13:46 <Melanie_T> i would need to read the code to find out what it does
2016-07-22 13:46 <Melanie_T> i don't have the time for that right now
2016-07-22 13:47 <djphil> oki
2016-07-22 13:47 <djphil> do you think it is good to make a mantis for this?
2016-07-22 13:47 <djphil> to not forget :)
2016-07-22 13:47 <Melanie_T> if you do, it would have to be a feature request
2016-07-22 13:48 <Melanie_T> it's not a bug becaue what is there works as designed
2016-07-22 13:49 <djphil> okay
2016-07-22 13:49 <djphil> I just understand something
2016-07-22 13:50 <djphil> when an object attached to an avatar he goes into his personal inventory and in the case of NPC, as he has no inventory, it can not get the item. That's what you want to explain just above
2016-07-22 13:50 <djphil> now i have understand :)
2016-07-22 13:51 <djphil> inventory is "from inventory" >>> "to inventory"
2016-07-22 15:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #4743 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-22 15:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4743: SUCCESS in 6 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4743/
2016-07-22 15:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  don't try to rez a object from a asset with empty data and Let user know about it
2016-07-22 17:33 <osmantis> Bug #7971:04 [PROFILE] Unable to connect to OSG Profile Server (Error 404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7971 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-07-22 17:36 <osmantis> Bug #7971:04 [PROFILE] Unable to connect to OSG Profile Server (Error 404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7971 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-22 17:38 <osmantis> Bug #7971:04 [PROFILE] Unable to connect to OSG Profile Server (Error 404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7971 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-22 17:41 <osmantis> Bug #7972:04 [NPC FEATURE REQUEST] osForceAttachToOtherAvatarFromInventory does not support NPC 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7972 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-07-22 17:42 <djphil> Hmmm i can't found where i can tag the #7972 as "feature Request" :s
2016-07-22 17:47 <osmantis> Bug #7971:04 [PROFILE] Unable to connect to OSG Profile Server (Error 404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7971 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-07-22 17:49 <osmantis> Bug #7971:04 [PROFILE] Unable to connect to OSG Profile Server (Error 404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7971 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-22 17:51 <osmantis> Bug #7971:04 [PROFILE] Unable to connect to OSG Profile Server (Error 404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7971 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-07-22 20:38 <Matova> anyone has problem to upload mesh? some meshes comes invisible ghost.
2016-07-22 20:49 <osmantis> Bug #7972:04 [NPC FEATURE REQUEST] osForceAttachToOtherAvatarFromInventory does not support NPC 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7972 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-07-22 20:58 <Ubit> err don't even like such thing :p
2016-07-22 20:58 <Ubit> ForceAttach.. sounds nasty :)
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2016-07-23 00:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #4744 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-07-23 00:40 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add a missing field to ChatterBoxSessionAgentListUpdates. it is still wrong, and its use even worse
2016-07-23 00:40 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove code from httptests branch
2016-07-23 20:10 <Ubit> damm  group CHAT list
2016-07-23 20:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #4745 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-23 20:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4745: SUCCESS in 6 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4745/
2016-07-23 20:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change group lists control so it does show something (only xmlrpcgroups for now). This will never work without a centralized dispatcher/controler, or more complex information exchange.
2016-07-23 20:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #4746 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-23 20:21 <Ubit> 
ACTION remembers lkalif correct coments about his bad english on commits

2016-07-23 20:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4746: SUCCESS in 5 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4746/
2016-07-23 20:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add a coment for improvement of ChatterBoxSessionAgentListUpdates closer to viewers protocol. Not necessary on current groups chat lists defecient implementation
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2016-07-24 03:23 <osmantis> Bug #7973:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] llSetHealth(key user, float health) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7973 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-07-24 03:23 <osmantis> Bug #7973:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osSetHealth(key user, float health) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7973 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2016-07-24 03:28 <osmantis> Bug #7973:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osSetHealth(key user, float health) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7973 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2016-07-24 12:18 <osmantis> Bug #7973:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osSetHealth(key user, float health) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7973 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-24 13:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #4747 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-07-24 13:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do not send IMs via child agents
2016-07-24 14:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #4748 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-24 14:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4748: FAILURE in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4748/
2016-07-24 14:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add missing IM parameter ( needs fix where it is really relevant )
2016-07-24 14:23 <Ubit> yeap thats where fix is needed :P
2016-07-24 14:42 <Ubit> oops
2016-07-24 14:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #4749 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4747 58 min ago)
2016-07-24 14:46 <osmantis> Bug #7973:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osSetHealth(key user, float health) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7973 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-07-24 14:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4749: STILL FAILING in 4 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4749/
2016-07-24 14:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  Ooops ...
2016-07-24 14:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #4750 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4747 1 hr 10 min ago)
2016-07-24 15:00 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-07-24 15:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4750: FIXED in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4750/
2016-07-24 15:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  reOoops ...
2016-07-24 15:18 <osmantis> Bug #7971:04 [PROFILE] Unable to connect to OSG Profile Server (Error 404) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7971 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-07-24 15:24 <osmantis> Bug #7974:04 New OSSL Function: osNpcSetTitle(key npc, string title); 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7974 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-07-24 15:24 <osmantis> Bug #7974:04 New OSSL Function: osNpcSetTitle(key npc, string title); 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7974 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-07-24 15:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #4751 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-07-24 15:32 <djphil> tyvm ubit :)
2016-07-24 15:32 <osmantis> Bug #7973:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osSetHealth(key user, float health) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7973 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-24 15:35 <osmantis> Bug #7973:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osSetHealth(key user, float health) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7973 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-07-24 15:35 <osmantis> Bug #7973:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osSetHealth(key user, float health) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7973 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-24 15:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4751: SUCCESS in 5 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4751/
2016-07-24 15:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add osSetHealth()  value  from 1 to 100; (mantis 7973)
2016-07-24 15:36 <Ubit> hmm now.. what was i breaking ?
2016-07-24 15:37 <djphil> erfff :s
2016-07-24 15:38 <Ubit> well added the IMs IDs viewer seem to like
2016-07-24 15:38 <djphil> the old email module under windows :p
2016-07-24 15:38 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6559
2016-07-24 15:38 <Ubit> nice try :p
2016-07-24 15:38 <djphil> reported in 2013 :)
2016-07-24 15:39 <Ubit> nahh need to check if we do need to to anything with this ID internally
2016-07-24 15:40 <Ubit> also why are we using session id to pass other info .. 
2016-07-24 15:41 <Ubit> well it is comented as a "hack"
2016-07-24 15:43 <djphil> i reported a healt regression too in some days ...
2016-07-24 15:43 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7951
2016-07-24 15:43 <djphil> have you see it ?
2016-07-24 15:44 <Ubit> hmm guess we don't have that ?
2016-07-24 15:44 <Ubit> it is suposed to get back alone ?
2016-07-24 15:44 <djphil> in the pas yes
2016-07-24 15:44 <Ubit> in the pas ?
2016-07-24 15:45 <Ubit> you mean it used to work ?
2016-07-24 15:45 <djphil> the past*
2016-07-24 15:45 <djphil> and too in the past, when the avatar was flying and he fell very sharply up, he lost in life ... not now.
2016-07-24 15:45 <Ubit> it should loose
2016-07-24 15:45 <Ubit> at least against' prims
2016-07-24 15:45 <djphil> idem when collide violently a prim ...
2016-07-24 15:45 <djphil> lol
2016-07-24 15:46 <Ubit> and if damage is set on the parcel
2016-07-24 15:46 <djphil> it is
2016-07-24 15:46 <djphil> let me double check
2016-07-24 15:46 <Ubit> well the code is there to do the damage
2016-07-24 15:46 <djphil> i set to allow damage here
2016-07-24 15:47 <djphil> i have verified again
2016-07-24 15:48 <djphil> and i see any damage caused ...
2016-07-24 15:48 <djphil> that a regression
2016-07-24 15:49 <djphil> i try with fly and fall on the floor or on a prim
2016-07-24 15:49 <djphil> and simple prim collision
2016-07-24 15:49 <djphil> none worlds here
2016-07-24 15:50 <djphil> Normally, only avatar underwater does not lose life
2016-07-24 15:52 <djphil> If I remember correctly, we have an option in the .ini to determine the speed with thr life automatically returns to 100% (gradually)
2016-07-24 15:52 <djphil> i search it but not found
2016-07-24 15:52 <djphil> don't rember where is :p
2016-07-24 15:53 <djphil> remeber*
2016-07-24 15:53 <Ubit> coldata[localid].PenetrationDepth
2016-07-24 15:53 <Ubit> this may not the the best thing
2016-07-24 15:54 <Plugh> Is System.Net.Mail.SmtpClient available in both Windows systems and in mono?
2016-07-24 15:54 <djphil> don't know
2016-07-24 15:55 <Plugh> How would I check mono to see if it exists?
2016-07-24 15:56 <Plugh> nm. Found it.
2016-07-24 15:57 <djphil> :)
2016-07-24 15:57 <Plugh> The next question is which version(s) of mono has that function.
2016-07-24 15:58 <djphil> heh, that a question for linux users
2016-07-24 15:58 <Plugh> Um... I'm a linux user. :)
2016-07-24 15:58 <djphil> self questioning be a good start :)
2016-07-24 15:59 <Plugh> IIRC, we still allow people to use mono 2.10(?) to run OpenSim?
2016-07-24 16:01 <djphil> Ubit, i will close the #7973 when i have tested if it works well (with the next OSG release)
2016-07-24 16:03 <Ubit> are you god on that region dj ?
2016-07-24 16:03 <Plugh> djphil: In a comment to mantis 6559 you said you tested the email module with 0.9 but it didn't work under Windows. Which email module did you test in Windows?
2016-07-24 16:04 <Plugh> hm... a module called Email?
2016-07-24 16:04 <Plugh> oh, good. Looks like mono 2.10 includes System.Net.Mail.SmtpClient
2016-07-24 16:05 <djphil> yes Ubit, i can but not actived when i test
2016-07-24 16:05 <Ubit> gods dont' get damage
2016-07-24 16:06 <djphil> Plugh, i tested Opensim Email Module set to my provider
2016-07-24 16:07 <djphil> approximately the same way I configure my mailbox ...
2016-07-24 16:08 <djphil> with the SMTP setup in the .ini
2016-07-24 16:08 <Plugh> djphil: Probably failed because it just uses the ancient DotNetOpenMail module
2016-07-24 16:09 <djphil> you mean the ancient OpenSim DotNetOpenMail ?
2016-07-24 16:09 <djphil> i don't know what is exactly the DotNetOpenMail
2016-07-24 16:10 <djphil> i just try to use the llMail function
2016-07-24 16:11 <djphil> ... now if I want to send email, i have to work around the problem by using external php script.
2016-07-24 16:12 <djphil> and can't use llMail :s
2016-07-24 16:13 <Plugh> llMail makes use of OpenSim/Region/CoreModules/Scripting/EMailModules/EmailModule.cs which makes use of DotNetOpenMail which only supports the most basic of authentication methods.
2016-07-24 16:14 <djphil> therefore likely use the new DotNetOpenMail could be the solution
2016-07-24 16:15 <djphil> kcozens seems to propose a possible solution
2016-07-24 16:15 <Plugh> That was my proposal. There is no newer DotNet that could be used.
2016-07-24 16:17 <Plugh> ah, excellent. Found a wiki page that says 2.10 is the minimum version of mono required and it has the mail module I want to use.
2016-07-24 16:18 <Ubit> at what velocity should a avatar die ?
2016-07-24 16:19 <djphil> hope you can do something for windows users Plugh
2016-07-24 16:20 <djphil> that good for a ini config ability Ubit (maybee the owner can have choice for that)
2016-07-24 16:20 <Ubit> no more configs!!! grrr
2016-07-24 16:20 <Ubit> :)
2016-07-24 16:20 <Plugh> djphil: That mail module is documented by Microsoft so that means it is available to Windows users. I needed to make sure it was also available to mono users and it is so now I could have a go at changing OpenSim's mailing system to use it.
2016-07-24 16:20 <djphil> i don't really remember how many it lose when it falls
2016-07-24 16:21 <Plugh> Ubit, isn't it a question of change in velocity? Its not the fall that kills you. It is the sudden stop at the bottom.  ;)
2016-07-24 16:21 <Ubit> yeap :)
2016-07-24 16:21 <Ubit> but that is the same lol
2016-07-24 16:21 <djphil> excelent Plugh :)
2016-07-24 16:22 <djphil> true with Plugh, don't kill the avatar, just remove 5 or 10 % of life
2016-07-24 16:22 <djphil> i don't know how many damage is caused in SL
2016-07-24 16:23 <Ubit> well we use coldata[localid].PenetrationDepth
2016-07-24 16:23 <Ubit> but that is unreliable
2016-07-24 16:23 <djphil> but as it was in the past when opensim healt worked, it was well
2016-07-24 16:24 <Ubit> yeap unreliable back then also :p
2016-07-24 16:25 <djphil> yes it is best
2016-07-24 16:28 <Ubit> Residents take damage from collisions with physical objects
2016-07-24 16:28 <Ubit> err only physical objects really ?
2016-07-24 16:29 <djphil> i thin with all objects
2016-07-24 16:29 <Ubit> thats from sl wiki
2016-07-24 16:29 <djphil> think*
2016-07-24 16:29 <djphil> ha oki
2016-07-24 16:29 <djphil> that unnatural
2016-07-24 16:30 <djphil> ... but is SL
2016-07-24 16:30 <Ubit> ohh and if seting llSetDamage
2016-07-24 16:30 <Ubit> When these preconditions are met, the avatar receives the damage, and the object will die without calling the collision events.
2016-07-24 16:30 <djphil> OpenSim do better :) :p
2016-07-24 16:30 <Ubit> i will not do this
2016-07-24 16:30 <Ubit> xii why do they kill the objects?
2016-07-24 16:31 <djphil> it kill the object ?
2016-07-24 16:31 <djphil> never see that
2016-07-24 16:31 <Ubit> llSetDamage(float damage)
2016-07-24 16:31 <Ubit>  Sets the amount of damage that will be done to an avatar that the scripted object collides with. The scripted object will die (be deleted) immediately on colliding and no event handlers will be executed first.
2016-07-24 16:32 <Ubit> i will not do this
2016-07-24 16:33 <djphil> why ?
2016-07-24 16:33 <Ubit> makes no sense
2016-07-24 16:33 <Ubit> its only thinking about bullets or explosions
2016-07-24 16:33 <Ubit> and without boucing
2016-07-24 16:34 <djphil> yeah ... if damage is enable on region
2016-07-24 16:34 <Ubit> its very restrictive on the kind of damage objects
2016-07-24 16:34 <djphil> but if not enable ...
2016-07-24 16:34 <Ubit> i mean the DIE part
2016-07-24 16:35 <djphil> you find this restrictive
2016-07-24 16:35 <Ubit> you don't ?
2016-07-24 16:35 <Plugh> Did any of the recent work regarding reducing inventory load times have any impact on mantis 7904?
2016-07-24 16:35 <djphil> not 100%
2016-07-24 16:35 <Ubit> it is restricive..
2016-07-24 16:35 <djphil> cound be interessing ...
2016-07-24 16:36 <Ubit> you you want the thing to die..  kill it wil llDie elsewhere
2016-07-24 16:36 <djphil> yes but to use llDie you need use collision detection
2016-07-24 16:36 <Ubit> and it is there
2016-07-24 16:36 <djphil> but yes, you can
2016-07-24 16:37 <djphil> we can* :)
2016-07-24 16:37 <djphil> SL wiki say "onlu physic prims" are deleted ? or all prims ?
2016-07-24 16:37 <djphil> only*
2016-07-24 16:38 <djphil> that can be dangerous
2016-07-24 16:38 <Ubit> no.. says only physics prims do damage ( without llSetDamage )
2016-07-24 16:38 <djphil> oki
2016-07-24 16:39 <djphil> SL does not always offer the best solution ... here is a good example visibly ;)
2016-07-24 16:43 <djphil> Ubit ; Have you see that ? Do you Know ?
2016-07-24 16:43 <djphil> http://wiki.inworldz.com/izwiki/index.php/Category:Bot_Functions
2016-07-24 16:43 <djphil> he seems to have taken over large function of aurora-sim
2016-07-24 16:44 <Ubit> well we don't have those bots
2016-07-24 16:44 <djphil> but it did :)
2016-07-24 16:45 <djphil> it is not just additional features for existing NPC ?
2016-07-24 16:46 <Ubit> possible
2016-07-24 16:46 <djphil> I think they have improved NPC
2016-07-24 16:46 <djphil> and also XEngine :p
2016-07-24 16:47 <djphil> like Aurora ...
2016-07-24 16:47 <Ubit> they replaced xengine
2016-07-24 16:47 <Ubit> nopes not with the aurora engine.. something else
2016-07-24 16:47 <djphil> Heh that maybee better lol
2016-07-24 16:48 <djphil> I think they have done alot of work
2016-07-24 16:48 <djphil> And it seems fine, just fine !
2016-07-24 16:49 <djphil> yesterday i will to use osGetInventoryDesc
2016-07-24 16:50 <djphil> ... and i found when don't heve osSetInventoryDesc
2016-07-24 16:50 <djphil> any whay to set desc by script ...
2016-07-24 16:50 <djphil> strange ...
2016-07-24 16:53 <djphil> There is so much to do and so little time to do :s
2016-07-24 17:02 <nebadon> Isnt Inworldz Windows only?
2016-07-24 17:05 <djphil> here it say tested on windows https://github.com/InWorldz/halcyon
2016-07-24 17:05 <djphil> but seam workin on Linux too
2016-07-24 17:05 <nebadon> k ya I know they run primarily windows but I could definitely be wrong about that
2016-07-24 17:06 <nebadon> things change
2016-07-24 17:06 <djphil> i se Ubuntu install 64Bits here
2016-07-24 17:06 <djphil> https://github.com/InWorldz/halcyon/wiki/Development
2016-07-24 17:06 <nebadon> sounds like physx doesnt work in linux though
2016-07-24 17:07 <djphil> yeah
2016-07-24 17:07 <djphil> but things change :)
2016-07-24 17:08 <djphil> Neb, do you know if opensim support allready all new attachment points ?
2016-07-24 17:08 <djphil> from Bento Project
2016-07-24 17:16 <nebadon> I doubt it
2016-07-24 17:16 <nebadon> maybe it would just automatically work I dont know
2016-07-24 17:16 <nebadon> the question is do any TPVs support it
2016-07-24 17:16 <nebadon> if not it would be impossible for us to support it
2016-07-24 17:17 <djphil> Only viewer side ... i think no
2016-07-24 17:17 <nebadon> ya if TPV doesnt have support then either do we
2016-07-24 17:17 <nebadon> i guess it depends on if serialization changes or not
2016-07-24 17:18 <nebadon> and also if someone needs to update Libomv as well
2016-07-24 17:19 <djphil> yes sure
2016-07-24 17:21 <Ubit> physx should work on linux i think
2016-07-24 17:21 <Ubit> ( since its nvidia it may want a nvidia gpu :) )
2016-07-24 17:29 <nebadon> well yes, but they dont have a linux wrapper
2016-07-24 17:29 <nebadon> it seems
2016-07-24 17:30 <Ubit> inworldz ?
2016-07-24 17:30 <Ubit> they only use win servers ?
2016-07-24 17:32 <nebadon> I think on thier grid they do
2016-07-24 17:32 <nebadon> but to be honest I havent followed what they do for some time
2016-07-24 17:54 <Melanie_T> Ubit: that thing about objects dying on collision without any handlers etc
2016-07-24 17:54 <Melanie_T> that is quite important
2016-07-24 17:54 <Melanie_T> see, llSetDamage is set on the prim
2016-07-24 17:54 <Melanie_T> so it can be set ona prim and then the script gets removed
2016-07-24 17:54 <Ubit> ?
2016-07-24 17:54 <Melanie_T> the prim that is so equipped can then be used as a bullet/shrapnel
2016-07-24 17:55 <Melanie_T> and it needs no script to make it die
2016-07-24 17:55 <Ubit> and as no other use
2016-07-24 17:55 <Melanie_T> correct
2016-07-24 17:55 <Ubit> and that is restrictive use
2016-07-24 17:55 <Melanie_T> but that one use would be defeated and you'd have 100s os prims with scripts flying around
2016-07-24 17:55 <Melanie_T> i believe that should be left as it is
2016-07-24 17:56 <Melanie_T> and instead there should be a function
2016-07-24 17:56 <Melanie_T> osApplyDamage
2016-07-24 17:56 <Ubit> specially  with a defective default prim damage
2016-07-24 17:56 <Melanie_T> like osApplyDanage(agent, damage)
2016-07-24 17:56 <Melanie_T> so if you have something that is scripted
2016-07-24 17:56 <Melanie_T> it would not use llSetDamage
2016-07-24 17:56 <Ubit> im not changing that
2016-07-24 17:56 <Melanie_T> but use osApplyDamage in a collision handler
2016-07-24 17:56 <Melanie_T> and then use llDie
2016-07-24 17:56 <Ubit> just i think we don't do llDie 
2016-07-24 17:57 <Melanie_T> we should be, if not, we need to
2016-07-24 17:57 <Ubit> think we never did
2016-07-24 17:57 <Melanie_T> else guns from SL would leave a huge number of prims lying around
2016-07-24 17:57 <Ubit> at least don't see the code 
2016-07-24 17:57 <djphil> Mmm mmm :)
2016-07-24 17:58 <Ubit> oops
2016-07-24 17:58 <Ubit> coff coff coff :p
2016-07-24 17:58 <Ubit> its there 
2016-07-24 17:58 <Melanie_T> good
2016-07-24 17:58 <Melanie_T> to me it sounded like you were suggesting to change it
2016-07-24 17:58 <Melanie_T> but we should not change the way ll functions work
2016-07-24 17:59 <Ubit> nopes i was considering not doing it, it it wasn't there...
2016-07-24 17:59 <Melanie_T> well, as i said, intentionally making a ll function not work as in sl is not a good thing
2016-07-24 17:59 <Melanie_T> peole have expectations
2016-07-24 17:59 <Melanie_T> even if what they expect is LL's braindead functions
2016-07-24 17:59 <Ubit> damm why do viewers activade health when it is disabled on region?
2016-07-24 17:59 <Melanie_T> they do expect them
2016-07-24 18:00 <Ubit> sounds like we are missing something somewhere :(
2016-07-24 18:24 <Ubit> hmm seems this penetrationDepth will not cause damage on most cases now
2016-07-24 18:24 <Ubit> possible did work on old ode
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2016-07-24 18:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add a missing update to avatar damage Invulnerable
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2016-07-24 20:34 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: ubOde fix contact relative velocity sign
2016-07-24 20:34 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: ubOde try to improve contact velocity on first avatar collision with terrain
2016-07-24 21:03 <NickS> So, is opensim 0.9.0 stable enough to build a university project on? Or should we stick to 0.8.3? It has to have hypergrid capability with the rest of opensim.
2016-07-24 21:13 <Ubit> no there is no "stable" 0.9
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2016-07-24 21:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubOde still on relative velocity. Make ubOde report  avatar empty collisions to tick events on core. Avn didn't require this, core should not require also (TODO)
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2016-07-24 21:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubOde actually revert last change don't send unnecessary empty collisions, will patch it elsewhere
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2016-07-24 23:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change avatar Health, from bad penetration depth to relative velocity
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2016-07-25 00:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change bullet relative velocity sign to match ubOde
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2016-07-25 01:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add osGetHealRate(avatarkey) and osSetHealRate(avatarkey, healrate); healrate from 0 (disables auto heal)  to 100 (maybe too fast) % per second. (untested)
2016-07-25 01:10 <Ubit> grrr
2016-07-25 01:10 <Ubit> oops
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2016-07-25 01:17 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
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2016-07-25 01:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file
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2016-07-25 06:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: revert bad last changes and fix the issue another way
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2016-07-25 07:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove extra char
2016-07-25 07:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove redundant check
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2016-07-25 18:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cleanup some code
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2016-07-25 22:34 <smxy> Ubit: ping
2016-07-25 22:35 <Ubit> 
ACTION looks around for the pong

2016-07-25 22:35 <smxy> Hi
2016-07-25 22:35 <Ubit> hi
2016-07-25 22:35 <smxy> Somewhere in the merge, a setting seems to have either stopped or changed behavior.
2016-07-25 22:36 <Ubit> ?
2016-07-25 22:36 <smxy> I have, in my [Startup] section: DefaultDrawDistance            = 1023.0
2016-07-25 22:36 <Ubit> ( possible more tha one :p )
2016-07-25 22:36 <smxy> This used to allow me to see many regions away. Now I only see into the neighboring region.
2016-07-25 22:36 <Ubit> well that changed already after the merge
2016-07-25 22:37 <smxy> Why was that taken away?
2016-07-25 22:37 <Ubit> you should see 2 regions away
2016-07-25 22:37 <smxy> I want to see as far as I want.
2016-07-25 22:37 <smxy> That feature was added so we could.
2016-07-25 22:37 <Ubit> then edit the source and change the hard limit i added there :p
2016-07-25 22:37 <smxy> Why would you do that?
2016-07-25 22:37 <Ubit> and you are on your own :p
2016-07-25 22:38 <Ubit> well i wll remove that limit. when its ok
2016-07-25 22:38 <smxy> It *was* okay.
2016-07-25 22:38 <Ubit> no it wasn't  considering var regions
2016-07-25 22:38 <smxy> I don't understand why you thought it should be limited.
2016-07-25 22:39 <Ubit> but you should see 2 regions deep
2016-07-25 22:39 <Ubit> err 2 standard size regions deep
2016-07-25 22:40 <smxy> I have a 5x4 "mainland with a huge lake in the middle of it. I used this setting so that the whole area could be seen. Your limiting it destroys the look and beauty of the place completely.
2016-07-25 22:40 <Ubit> 5x4 what, regions ?
2016-07-25 22:41 <smxy> yes, 256x256
2016-07-25 22:41 <smxy> I could see virtually the entire thing, from wherever I was. Not any more.
2016-07-25 22:42 <smxy> I figured it was just broken, not that you'd deliberately limited it. :(
2016-07-25 22:42 <Ubit> well as i said i will increase that limit, when its safe on same code areas
2016-07-25 22:42 <Ubit> ..some..
2016-07-25 22:44 <Ubit> imagine we are in winter low view range etc ;)
2016-07-25 22:44 <smxy> I never once had a problem with that feature. 
2016-07-25 22:46 <Ubit> but you do see 2 regions deep no ?
2016-07-25 22:46 <smxy> Yes, but I want to see what I had, not an ugly, obviously chopped off view.
2016-07-25 22:48 <Ubit> 
ACTION doesn't even mention the culling option under test :p

2016-07-25 22:48 <smxy> As long as it's optional, fine. :)
2016-07-25 22:48 <smxy> You took away an option, in this case.
2016-07-25 22:48 <Ubit> yeah it will be.. assuming it will work
2016-07-25 22:49 <Ubit> yeah thats me :p
2016-07-25 22:49 <Ubit> well the options it there..  just with a limit :)
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2016-07-25 22:50 <smxy> I don't suppose it occured to you that someone was using that option?
2016-07-25 22:50 <Ubit> yeap so i did add the limit  right? :p
2016-07-25 22:51 <Ubit> bc i do prefer to have you just sad for sometime bc you don't see all  that having worse issues with other cases
2016-07-25 22:51 <smxy> I wasn't having any issues. Were these issues introduced with the merge?
2016-07-25 22:51 <Ubit> err than..
2016-07-25 22:52 <Ubit> was after the merge really
2016-07-25 22:52 <Ubit> on work i did about var regions etc
2016-07-25 22:53 <smxy> I'm sure they needed it.
2016-07-25 22:53 <smxy> Having them stable is important.
2016-07-25 22:53 <Ubit> as i said
2016-07-25 22:54 <smxy> That wasn't sarcasm.
2016-07-25 22:54 <Ubit> i have ideias to improve the situation so that limit can increase ato at least 1024m
2016-07-25 22:55 <Ubit> just im kinda stuck,, about removing or not megas code etc
2016-07-25 22:55 <smxy> You mean "return to". 
2016-07-25 22:55 <smxy> I thought those were going away?
2016-07-25 22:55 <Ubit> still there
2016-07-25 22:55 <Ubit> with code in the way...
2016-07-25 22:56 <Ubit> did said return to, bc think there was no limit :p
2016-07-25 22:57 <smxy> Why should there be a limit on how far I can see?
2016-07-25 22:57 <smxy> In general.
2016-07-25 22:57 <Ubit> bc we don't mantis filling up..
2016-07-25 22:57 <Ubit> err
2016-07-25 22:57 <Melanie_T> smxy: there is a limit to viewer resources. LL has long ago added frustum culling server side to address that
2016-07-25 22:57 <Ubit> bc we don't like mantis filling up..
2016-07-25 22:58 <Melanie_T> we don't have frustum culling yet
2016-07-25 22:58 <Melanie_T> the net effect is that the view distance as it was originally implemented assumed 256x256 regions
2016-07-25 22:58 <smxy> Again, the feature was working fine. Had been for years.
2016-07-25 22:58 <smxy> True.
2016-07-25 22:58 <smxy> We didn;t have vars then.
2016-07-25 22:58 <Melanie_T> but with varregios, a region within that 1024 x 1024 range may itself be 1024x1024 in size
2016-07-25 22:59 <Ubit> yes.. but var regions are now more reliable and usable etc
2016-07-25 22:59 <Melanie_T> so you would be sent dta from objects as far away as 2048m in ALL directions
2016-07-25 22:59 <Melanie_T> which WILL crash viewers
2016-07-25 22:59 <Melanie_T> and overload other viewers 
2016-07-25 22:59 <Ubit> yeap
2016-07-25 22:59 <Melanie_T> so ubit is working his arse off on culling
2016-07-25 23:00 <Melanie_T> which is what is needed to allow view distances to work again when varregions are in play
2016-07-25 23:00 <smxy> I wasn't dumb enough to set my regions up that way in conjunction with this option. It worked fine.
2016-07-25 23:00 <Melanie_T> and i don't appreciate him being dissed for working hard
2016-07-25 23:00 <Melanie_T> megaregions will likely go away
2016-07-25 23:00 <Ubit> no worries :)
2016-07-25 23:00 <Melanie_T> in 0.9 release if i have a say about it
2016-07-25 23:00 <Melanie_T> wait... i do!
2016-07-25 23:00 <smxy> :)
2016-07-25 23:01 <Ubit> :)
2016-07-25 23:01 <Melanie_T> megaregions a re an ugly hack
2016-07-25 23:01 <Melanie_T> teravus did the impossible in making them work back then
2016-07-25 23:01 <Melanie_T> but by now, his Borders are more of a hindrance than a help
2016-07-25 23:01 <smxy> I'm sorry, but he broke a feature I used and all his smilies as he commented on limiting it gave the impression he could give a shit. That seemed off-putting.
2016-07-25 23:01 <Melanie_T> avn already dropped a lot of related code
2016-07-25 23:02 <Melanie_T> and opensim will drop more for 0.9
2016-07-25 23:02 <Ubit> smxy didn't i spoke about it? 
2016-07-25 23:02 <smxy> Oh yes, I think even Teravus would agree it was an awful hack.
2016-07-25 23:02 <Melanie_T> ubit, i think you can go on the assumption that 0.9 will remove megaregion support
2016-07-25 23:02 <Melanie_T> it was already discussed for 0.8 series and there were no real objections
2016-07-25 23:02 <Melanie_T> maybe make a migration tool that is better than oar
2016-07-25 23:02 <Melanie_T> but apart from that, megas can go away
2016-07-25 23:02 <Ubit> yeap.. but we do need decide to actually remove code
2016-07-25 23:03 <Melanie_T> well, i'm for it. i believe i recall diva was for it. you're for it i assume
2016-07-25 23:03 <Melanie_T> i doubt mb wants to bother with them
2016-07-25 23:03 <Ubit> yeap
2016-07-25 23:03 <Melanie_T> so i guess it's decided
2016-07-25 23:03 <Ubit> :)
2016-07-25 23:03 <smxy> I wasn't trying to "dis" you, Ubit. It was just frustrating that you took away something that was working and gave what seemed glib answer with grins. All the work you have done, and will do, is certainly appreciated.
2016-07-25 23:03 <Ubit> a nice thing for august :)
2016-07-25 23:03 <Melanie_T> ubit didn't complain to me. he never said "diss". I did
2016-07-25 23:04 <Ubit> smxy i didn't look away..
2016-07-25 23:04 <Melanie_T> because it sounds like that
2016-07-25 23:04 <Ubit> i told you i did add the limit etc etc
2016-07-25 23:04 <smxy> I know. Just making it clear (I hope).
2016-07-25 23:04 <Melanie_T> smxy: ubit is a genuinely nice guy with a sense of humor not everyone's sense of humor
2016-07-25 23:04 <Ubit> i could stay quiet no ?
2016-07-25 23:04 <Melanie_T> his smilies don't mean "i don't give a ..."
2016-07-25 23:04 <Melanie_T> they're just smiles, fwiw
2016-07-25 23:04 <smxy> Fair enough.
2016-07-25 23:04 <Ubit> :)
2016-07-25 23:04 <Melanie_T> because he's a jovial, smiley kind of guy
2016-07-25 23:05 <smxy> heh
2016-07-25 23:05 <Melanie_T> when me "messes" things
2016-07-25 23:05 <Ubit> well i do have days lol
2016-07-25 23:05 <Melanie_T> which doesn't mean he messes them _up_
2016-07-25 23:05 <smxy> We all do. I think I'm having one now. 
2016-07-25 23:05 <Melanie_T> he just changes them. most of the time for the better
2016-07-25 23:05 <Melanie_T> and always remember
2016-07-25 23:05 <Melanie_T> this is the egde /\
2016-07-25 23:06 <Melanie_T> and it's the bleeding edge
2016-07-25 23:06 <Melanie_T> so you'll either bleed
2016-07-25 23:06 <Melanie_T> or bloody stay away from trunk ;)
2016-07-25 23:06 <smxy> Yes. I hope you can understand my frustration though. I designed this 20-region area with this specific option in mind. With it limited like it is, it really does ruin it. That's why it bugs me so much.
2016-07-25 23:06 <Melanie_T> 0.9 release comes this summer
2016-07-25 23:07 <Melanie_T> i do appreciate that life on the edge can be frustrating at times
2016-07-25 23:07 <Melanie_T> but no development comes without ay pain
2016-07-25 23:07 <Melanie_T> eggs and ommelettes, that
2016-07-25 23:07 <Plugh> That means within two months if it is this summer
2016-07-25 23:07 <Melanie_T> Plugh: yeap
2016-07-25 23:07 <Melanie_T> Plugh: with diva having time, me having time, ubit having time
2016-07-25 23:08 <Melanie_T> yep
2016-07-25 23:08 <Melanie_T> will happen
2016-07-25 23:08 <Plugh> I hope Robert also has time.
2016-07-25 23:08 <Melanie_T> opensim always advances by leaps and bounds in the summer
2016-07-25 23:08 <smxy> Melanie_T: On a totally different topic, remember the issue of DNS that you and I explained to Diva and she said she'd work on this summer?
2016-07-25 23:08 <Plugh> Code never moves fast enough for some people when their pet bug isn't being addressed. :)
2016-07-25 23:08 <Melanie_T> well, mega removal doesn't require changes to the phys layer
2016-07-25 23:09 <Melanie_T> smxy: I actually found an issue with gatekeepers specifically related to osgrid
2016-07-25 23:09 <Melanie_T> and fixed it
2016-07-25 23:09 <smxy> mantis 7908 in particular.
2016-07-25 23:09 <Melanie_T> i have a 4.3.2 standalone HGing to OSGrid and back
2016-07-25 23:09 <Melanie_T> it was a missing "Host:" header
2016-07-25 23:09 <Plugh> No, but there is bug on the 0.9 list that about a problem with volume detect and collisions not working in 0.9
2016-07-25 23:10 <Melanie_T> which i forced by using a name in place of an IP
2016-07-25 23:10 <smxy> Diva needed information as she said she didn;t understand it. I couldn't get a grid owner to work with me to get her what she needed. I thought you and I had explained it. I just don't want to see it fall by the wayside because I can't get her this info.
2016-07-25 23:10 <Ubit> hmmm
2016-07-25 23:10 <Ubit> actually
2016-07-25 23:10 <Melanie_T> Plugh: that would be a core thing. but i do want to push the decision logic down into the phys modules
2016-07-25 23:10 <Ubit>                 m_defaultDrawDistance = startupConfig.GetFloat("DefaultDrawDistance", m_defaultDrawDistance);
2016-07-25 23:10 <Ubit>                 m_maxDrawDistance = startupConfig.GetFloat("MaxDrawDistance", m_maxDrawDistance);
2016-07-25 23:10 <Ubit>                 m_maxRegionViewDistance = startupConfig.GetFloat("MaxRegionsViewDistance", m_maxRegionViewDistance);
2016-07-25 23:10 <Melanie_T> but that is C&P for the greatest part
2016-07-25 23:11 <Ubit> ( well can't tell i didn't place a hard limit somewhere )
2016-07-25 23:11 <Melanie_T> Ubit :P
2016-07-25 23:11 <smxy> It's okay Ubit. I understand now. Hopefully it'll get its turn for TLC at some point.
2016-07-25 23:11 <Melanie_T> you probabaly did just to mess with smxy ;)
2016-07-25 23:11 <smxy> lol
2016-07-25 23:12 <Ubit> well i also do have bad memory :)
2016-07-25 23:12 <Melanie_T> smxy you should retry failing OSGrid HG connections with 4.3.2
2016-07-25 23:12 <Melanie_T> i believe they should work now
2016-07-25 23:12 <smxy> I don't tell you my avatar name just so you folks don't put in IFs to cover the case of it being me. :P
2016-07-25 23:12 <Ubit> try those smxy when you have the time
2016-07-25 23:12 <Plugh> Has anyone else tested CHANGED_OWNER in scripts? My testing shows it working.
2016-07-25 23:13 <smxy> It wasn't just osgrid though. It was any grid where the reverse entry didn;t resolve to the forward lookup
2016-07-25 23:13 <Ubit> it does seem we have missing code Plugh
2016-07-25 23:13 <Melanie_T> smxy: it's not a problem to find your home address, crash and trash your pc, get you on all no-fly lists and get all grids who wnt to to ban you :P
2016-07-25 23:13 <Melanie_T> that is basic blackhat skillz
2016-07-25 23:14 <smxy> I know. That's why I'll agrue with you, but I try not to ever *seriously* piss you off. :P
2016-07-25 23:14 <Melanie_T> smxy: my fix may fix that
2016-07-25 23:14 <Plugh> Ubit: I can't reproduce the problem. The SOP code in the routine to resume scripts does do handle the changed owner situation.
2016-07-25 23:14 <Plugh> s/does do/does/
2016-07-25 23:14 <Ubit> hmm ok
2016-07-25 23:14 <Melanie_T> smxy: issue here was that the system was trying to be smart
2016-07-25 23:15 <smxy> Alright, Melanie_T, I'll have to try it again.
2016-07-25 23:15 <Melanie_T> and use a pre-resolved IP to access services that require a HostL header
2016-07-25 23:15 <smxy> what the Host: header do?
2016-07-25 23:15 <Melanie_T> that would provide anumeric Host: header in mono pre 4.2
2016-07-25 23:15 <Plugh> Ubit, I was having a bit of a look at that the other day. It is possible I could be missing some situation.
2016-07-25 23:15 <Melanie_T> in mono post 4.2, it would provide _no_ hos header
2016-07-25 23:15 <Ubit> yeap
2016-07-25 23:16 <Melanie_T> smxy: the host header is a requirement for http 1.1
2016-07-25 23:16 <Ubit> hope mel has the time to review that and permitions
2016-07-25 23:16 <Melanie_T> and host header generation changed between 4.2 and later
2016-07-25 23:16 <Ubit> since they are related things
2016-07-25 23:16 <Melanie_T> Plugh Ubit: maybe i can be crowdfunded to do that :)
2016-07-25 23:17 <Plugh> The collision thing is what I'd like to see addressed. I have a grid where collision detection is being used in a region to help keep vehicles from going out of the region.
2016-07-25 23:17 <smxy> okay. The next time I update, I'll try building and running with 4.3.2 again.
2016-07-25 23:17 <Plugh> Melanie_T: There is never a crowd around when you need one.  ;)
2016-07-25 23:17 <Melanie_T> yeah, lol
2016-07-25 23:17 <Ubit> hmm ? why you need collsions for that?
2016-07-25 23:17 <Melanie_T> and when you don't want one, three's a crowd
2016-07-25 23:17 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods to Melanie_T

2016-07-25 23:18 <smxy> Ubit: Again, my apologies for coming on a bit strong. 
2016-07-25 23:18 <Ubit> no worries :)
2016-07-25 23:18 <smxy> But you sunk my battleship! :(
2016-07-25 23:18 <Ubit> oops :)
2016-07-25 23:18 <Plugh> Ubit: I'm not sure. I didn't do it. I just pointed out to the grid owners that is one issue that is still to be addressed in 0.9 that might be of concern to them and they feel it is. I'll have to make enquiries to get more details.
2016-07-25 23:19 <Ubit> the only issue i see on borders and vehicles is that we should have larger terrain margins
2016-07-25 23:19 <smxy> Margins?
2016-07-25 23:19 <Plugh> I can get back to some OpenSim stuff later today or tomorrow. I spent the afternoon making some changes to a PCB I did a while bak.
2016-07-25 23:20 <Ubit>  a large vehicle can  fall off terrain
2016-07-25 23:20 <Ubit> ( happens at sl also )
2016-07-25 23:20 <Melanie_T> smxy: i'm not sure battleship has a nuke option
2016-07-25 23:20 <Melanie_T> but...
2016-07-25 23:20 <Melanie_T> nuke 6,6
2016-07-25 23:20 <smxy> pfft.
2016-07-25 23:20 <Melanie_T> nuke has 12 spaces radius :)
2016-07-25 23:20 <Ubit> (yeap smxy we do have a bit of terrain outside the region size )
2016-07-25 23:21 <Ubit> a big 1m of terrain lol
2016-07-25 23:21 <smxy> Ah, so you want to um, LIMIT, how close it can get to the edge if there's no region to move into?
2016-07-25 23:21 <smxy> :p
2016-07-25 23:21 <Ubit> think sl had 3m.. also not that good
2016-07-25 23:21 <Melanie_T> hmmm i recall that i fixed falling off terrain at the edge by clamping
2016-07-25 23:21 <Melanie_T> then found an off-by-0.5
2016-07-25 23:21 <Melanie_T> and fixed that, too
2016-07-25 23:22 <Ubit> borders control is done on the root prim
2016-07-25 23:22 <Melanie_T> avination code doesn't suffer from vehicle falls
2016-07-25 23:22 <Melanie_T> so this must be a merge fail
2016-07-25 23:22 <Ubit> it does
2016-07-25 23:22 <Ubit> depends on the size of the vehicle
2016-07-25 23:22 <Melanie_T> how so?
2016-07-25 23:22 <Melanie_T> avn code as i wrote it clamps the root prim to within the borders - 0.01m
2016-07-25 23:22 <Ubit> control is done on the root prim
2016-07-25 23:23 <Ubit> yeap
2016-07-25 23:23 <Melanie_T> so it can't drop in the subsequent phys loop
2016-07-25 23:23 <Ubit> but the car can be 20m long
2016-07-25 23:23 <Melanie_T> maybe bullet does drop it
2016-07-25 23:23 <Melanie_T> as it runs async iirc
2016-07-25 23:23 <Ubit> ubode also
2016-07-25 23:23 <Ubit> and sl also :)
2016-07-25 23:23 <Ubit> think a truck.. not a car
2016-07-25 23:23 <Melanie_T> you mean centr of mass vs root prim?
2016-07-25 23:24 <Ubit> front wheels versus root prim position
2016-07-25 23:24 <Melanie_T> oh i will be driving a truck + trailer in a week
2016-07-25 23:24 <Melanie_T> in rl though
2016-07-25 23:24 <Melanie_T> i finally got a move-in date
2016-07-25 23:24 <Melanie_T> aug. 2nf
2016-07-25 23:24 <Melanie_T> 2nd
2016-07-25 23:25 <Melanie_T> so i will be using y CDL to truck 12 tons worth of stuff to my new house
2016-07-25 23:25 <Melanie_T> my*
2016-07-25 23:25 <Ubit> well thats a issue i know on borders
2016-07-25 23:25 <smxy> You need to get rid og some shit, Melanie_T, if you have 12 tons of stuff. :)
2016-07-25 23:25 <smxy> of*
2016-07-25 23:26 <Melanie_T> i got rid of 2 tons wen i moved out
2016-07-25 23:26 <Ubit> ( i did like the 10m size limit :p )
2016-07-25 23:27 <Melanie_T> smxy: i have two workshops, an electronics lab, a 6 person household, a car shop, a chem lab and a huge amount of stock
2016-07-25 23:27 <Melanie_T> smxy: not everyone lives small
2016-07-25 23:29 <Ubit> small cars are nice.. don't fall over regiosn edges :p
2016-07-25 23:29 <Plugh> Um... should we be worried about what Melanie is up to?  
2016-07-25 23:30 <Ubit> no..  just avoid driving in her area in next days :)
2016-07-25 23:31 <Plugh> electronics lab, car shop, and a chem lab. Sounds suspicious.  ;)
2016-07-25 23:31 <Ubit> :)
2016-07-25 23:32 <Melanie_T> :P
2016-07-25 23:35 <smxy> Are we going to be reading about you in the news, Melanie_T?
2016-07-25 23:36 <Melanie_T> i would hope so - in the business section
2016-07-25 23:37 <Ubit> mb how new allien signs on a corn field where actually made by a truck gone mad :)
2016-07-25 23:39 <Ubit> 
ACTION hides on a corner

2016-07-25 23:40 <Melanie_T> 
ACTION throws a large, heavy box of too-small-for-purpose PICs at Ubit

2016-07-25 23:40 <Ubit> **outch**
2016-07-25 23:41 <Ubit> cool a 10f202
2016-07-25 23:42 <smxy> lol
2016-07-25 23:42 <Melanie_T> gimme that that wasn't supposed to be in there!
2016-07-25 23:42 <Ubit> noo 
2016-07-25 23:42 <Ubit> 
ACTION gives mel the 12f508s

2016-07-25 23:43 <Plugh> bah, PICs. :P
2016-07-25 23:43 <Ubit> yeack
2016-07-25 23:43 <Ubit> 
ACTION gives mel also the 12C508s

2016-07-25 23:44 <Melanie_T> 100nA? meh
2016-07-25 23:47 <Ubit> btw should i keep the code that tries and fails to show group chat members list or just assume we don't have it  for now ?
2016-07-25 23:48 <Melanie_T> Ubit: you should assume that at some point group chat may be replaces by avn group chat
2016-07-25 23:48 <Melanie_T> just as soon as in can figure out how
2016-07-25 23:48 <smxy> What's wrong with Diva's groups module?
2016-07-25 23:48 <Ubit> that is on a groups module ?
2016-07-25 23:48 <Melanie_T> seeing that avn groups are unsutable for core
2016-07-25 23:49 <Melanie_T> smxy: dog. barking. wrong tree.
2016-07-25 23:49 <smxy> heh
2016-07-25 23:49 <Melanie_T> groups and group chat are 2 different things
2016-07-25 23:49 <smxy> okay
2016-07-25 23:49 <Melanie_T> diva's groups are suitable for core
2016-07-25 23:49 <Ubit> yeap on same files just bc
2016-07-25 23:49 <Melanie_T> avn groups are not
2016-07-25 23:50 <Melanie_T> because avn grousp depend on shared access to s single mysql server
2016-07-25 23:50 <smxy> why not (out of curiosity)?
2016-07-25 23:50 <smxy> ah
2016-07-25 23:50 <Melanie_T> avn groupchat is based on refelcting group activity onto an IRC server
2016-07-25 23:50 <Melanie_T> diva groupchat is based on peer-to-peer
2016-07-25 23:50 <Ubit> group chats are IMs.. session ims ( we also don't have "conversations)
2016-07-25 23:50 <Melanie_T> and no peer has all pertinent information
2016-07-25 23:51 <Melanie_T> group chat requires a central instance to work properly
2016-07-25 23:51 <smxy> I kinda actually recall that from the M7 days. That's how theirs worked and I think that was your code then.
2016-07-25 23:51 <Melanie_T> because some place needs to hold the lsists of people i the various sims who listen to a given group chat
2016-07-25 23:51 <Melanie_T> smxy: corect
2016-07-25 23:52 <Melanie_T> so ou can have mickey mouse group chat peer topeer
2016-07-25 23:52 <Melanie_T> or you can have real group chat using a central server
2016-07-25 23:52 <Ubit> well this bc they are suposed to have a few features like this channels here  to start with a list of ppl on that session at the moment
2016-07-25 23:52 <Melanie_T> publishing avn group chat would close that gap
2016-07-25 23:53 <Melanie_T> but it would work only for grids willing and abel to set up a =n IRC server
2016-07-25 23:53 <Melanie_T> obviously, cross-grid group chat bears some thinking about
2016-07-25 23:53 <smxy> That's actually not that hard ... for me. For many users, perhaps.
2016-07-25 23:53 <Ubit> other option is to make a central service
2016-07-25 23:53 <Melanie_T> but irc IS based on linking servers....
2016-07-25 23:54 <Melanie_T> avn is currently crashed
2016-07-25 23:54 <Ubit> oh ?
2016-07-25 23:54 <Melanie_T> but when it comes back it may be on the HG
2016-07-25 23:54 <Melanie_T> Ubit: we had some bad HDs
2016-07-25 23:54 <Ubit> :(
2016-07-25 23:54 <smxy> Any chance we'd ever have group chat where people might be in different grids, or is that just a dream?
2016-07-25 23:54 <Melanie_T> so we told support to replaces all HDs _except_ S/N xxx, yyy, zzz
2016-07-25 23:54 <Melanie_T> that being the good ones
2016-07-25 23:55 <Melanie_T> well, support replaced the good ones
2016-07-25 23:55 <smxy> d'oh
2016-07-25 23:55 <Melanie_T> they overlooked the "except"
2016-07-25 23:55 <Melanie_T> so avn went from 100% to 0% assets in a matter of minutes
2016-07-25 23:55 <smxy> Hope you had backups.
2016-07-25 23:55 <Ubit> yeap absurd how they did that :(
2016-07-25 23:56 <Melanie_T> the good news - the last complete backup of avn was less than 24 hours before this
2016-07-25 23:56 <smxy> Good timing. :)
2016-07-25 23:56 <Melanie_T> the bad news - uploading all these aasets to a new hoster takes a horrendous amount of time
2016-07-25 23:56 <Melanie_T> especially when the above all happens while you're in the middle of oving house
2016-07-25 23:56 <smxy> How many TiB?
2016-07-25 23:56 <Melanie_T> moving*
2016-07-25 23:56 <Melanie_T> and are stucj in a hotel woth flaky broadband
2016-07-25 23:57 <Melanie_T> smxy: 4
2016-07-25 23:57 <Melanie_T> and the 4 is highly compressed
2016-07-25 23:57 <Melanie_T> it expands to 24  or so
2016-07-25 23:58 <smxy> Yeah, that'll take a day or two ...
2016-07-25 23:58 <Melanie_T> lol
2016-07-25 23:58 <Melanie_T> from this hotel, more like 2 months
2016-07-25 23:59 <Melanie_T> but i will have my landlie turned on tomorrow
2016-07-25 23:59 <Melanie_T> and broadband should be no more than 7 days later
2016-07-25 23:59 <Melanie_T> i will have 20 Mbit upstream then
2016-07-26 00:00 <smxy> That's still going to take a while. Wouldn't it be faster to ship them a drive and have them load it locally?
2016-07-26 00:00 <Melanie_T> nope
2016-07-26 00:00 <Melanie_T> they flat out refuse to connect anything that's not USB powered
2016-07-26 00:00 <Melanie_T> no usb powered drives that size are available
2016-07-26 00:01 <smxy> Time to get out your whips and chains, Melanie_T. :)
2016-07-26 00:01 <Melanie_T> do you think they'd excite them?
2016-07-26 00:02 <smxy> You'll never know until you try. :P
2016-07-26 00:26 <Plugh> bbl
2016-07-26 04:44 <osmantis> Bug #7976:04 [PHYSICS ENGINE] Very imprecise surface detection with ubODE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7976 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-07-26 12:37 <osmantis> Bug #7962:04 Parcel invisibility setting does not persist through sim restarts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7962 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-07-26 16:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #4768 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-07-26 17:04 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  get a copy of current clientView group powers
2016-07-26 17:04 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  let some group related data to have a public set
2016-07-26 17:04 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  add a public SetGroupPowers to clientView
2016-07-26 17:43 <Melanie_> Ubit:the idea, long term, was to make LLClientView smaller not bigger
2016-07-26 17:43 <Melanie_> what you added there, please check if it can be added on scenepresence instead
2016-07-26 17:43 <Ubit> no its there for now
2016-07-26 17:44 <Melanie_> why? is houdl all be on sp, really, not on the client
2016-07-26 17:44 <Ubit> those things are checked all over from client not sop
2016-07-26 17:44 <Ubit> ( permitions module etc etc )
2016-07-26 17:44 <Melanie_> because putting that sort of generic stuff on the client makes it much harder to write new clients
2016-07-26 17:44 <Melanie_> and it also means NPC don't benefit
2016-07-26 17:44 <Ubit> npc as a client also
2016-07-26 17:45 <Melanie_> yes. but it was originally discussed to make it possible to have anull client for npc and such
2016-07-26 17:45 <Ubit> but im adding to things already there.. not thinking about code rearrange
2016-07-26 17:45 <Ubit> but on the feature im trying to add :)
2016-07-26 17:45 <Melanie_> the code just isn't ready for it but it's really bad form tto put things on the client view that do't absolutely need to be there
2016-07-26 17:46 <osmantis> Bug #7924:04 Sun position differs from SL sun position 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7924 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-07-26 17:46 <Melanie_> it's just a thought to keep in mind that the project's declred direction is to avoid bloating llclientview further
2016-07-26 17:46 <Ubit> mel i didnt place group powers there
2016-07-26 17:46 <Melanie_> no
2016-07-26 17:46 <Melanie_> i did
2016-07-26 17:46 <Melanie_> it seemed a good idea at the time
2016-07-26 17:46 <Ubit> and as i said current code  looks for them there
2016-07-26 17:46 <Melanie_> turned out not to be
2016-07-26 17:46 <Ubit> ok we can change that later :)
2016-07-26 17:46 <Melanie_> yes, simplifying cthe lient is a huge refactor
2016-07-26 17:47 <Melanie_> not something you need to do now 
2016-07-26 17:47 <Melanie_> but the general idea is to not put things on the client that don't need to be there
2016-07-26 17:47 <Melanie_> just wanted to let you know
2016-07-26 17:47 <Ubit> yeap guess we understand each other now :)
2016-07-26 17:48 <Ubit> change is actually about crossings
2016-07-26 17:50 <Ubit> uff im like a kid..  breaking all toys insight :p
2016-07-26 17:52 <Ubit> ( btw i didn't like to copy 5 files all over the tree on each of those changes :) )
2016-07-26 17:55 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid about to start shortly for those who may be interested.
2016-07-26 17:59 <Ubit> hmm wright ?
2016-07-26 17:59 <Plugh> yup
2016-07-26 17:59 <Ubit> btw we should change them to a lighter region no?
2016-07-26 18:00 <Ubit> hm don't see u there :)
2016-07-26 18:01 <Plugh> I'm invisible.  ;)
2016-07-26 18:02 <Plugh> Sometimes WP gets restarted before the meeting but I'm not able to do that.
2016-07-26 18:02 <Ubit> doesn't matter it has tons of things all around
2016-07-26 18:03 <Ubit> hm there was a plazza with a nice tall building where meetings happened in the past
2016-07-26 18:09 <Plugh> There are several Plaza's in osg. I haven't explored most of them. No idea which one has a tall tower.
2016-07-26 18:09 <Ubit> bade ?
2016-07-26 18:15 <Plugh> No idea
2016-07-26 18:23 <misterblue> the plazas are from the early days of OSGrid
2016-07-26 18:27 <Ken_Savage> Its Bade
2016-07-26 18:40 <osmantis> Bug #7975:04 Offline messages are not sent/received from/to PostgreSQL regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7975 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-26 20:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #4769 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-07-26 20:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  reduce some grid services calls on region crossings, sending more information on the agent update ( groups v2 needs change )
2016-07-26 20:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #4770 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-07-26 20:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  apply the change to groups v2 also
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2016-07-26 21:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  do GridUserService.SetLastPosition async on crossings
2016-07-26 21:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #4772 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-07-26 21:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  take friends out of onMakeRoot if crossing
2016-07-26 21:36 <Ubit> ok now crossings maybe broken :p
2016-07-26 21:36 <smxy> So much for updating.
2016-07-26 21:45 <Ubit> tested those config settings smxy ?
2016-07-26 21:45 <Ubit> grr why in hell my trees aren't phantom :)
2016-07-26 21:50 <smxy> No, not yet. As soon as I update/restart next, I will.
2016-07-27 00:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #4773 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-07-27 01:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing changes about friends on crossings, and missing angular velocity clear on sits
2016-07-27 01:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #4774 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-07-27 02:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: waste another thread job on another thing that should be part of a more
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2016-07-27 02:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  a few more changes on avatar crossing
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2016-07-27 14:04 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  clear SitTargetAvatar on a sop copy
2016-07-27 14:04 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  a few more changes relative to sits crossing
2016-07-27 18:56 <osmantis> Bug #7977:04 Landmarks not saving while using FSassets 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7977 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-07-27 19:00 <JohnnyQ> I am experiencing an issue with FSassets
2016-07-27 20:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #4777 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-27 20:14 <osmantis> Bug #7977:04 Landmarks not saving while using FSassets 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7977 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-27 20:14 <osmantis> Bug #7977:04 Landmarks not saving while using FSassets 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7977 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-07-27 20:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4777: SUCCESS in 6 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4777/
2016-07-27 20:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  move refresh forces into applyphysics
2016-07-27 20:19 <JohnnyQ> Heya Plugh
2016-07-27 20:20 <JohnnyQ> Got the search and profiles working, and we're moving forward with our development.
2016-07-27 20:20 <Plugh> ok, good to hear.
2016-07-27 20:21 <Plugh> ttyl. I'm in the middle of an upgrade to my Internet connection. I'm going through the configuration of the new cable modem.
2016-07-27 20:22 <JohnnyQ> k
2016-07-27 20:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #4778 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-07-27 20:38 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  actually that was redundante, already done at low level
2016-07-27 20:38 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  but buoyancy was missing
2016-07-27 21:41 <Ubit> 22:37:41 - [SERVER BASE]: Logging started to file C:\Avination\testsim\bin\OpenS
2016-07-27 21:41 <Ubit> im.log
2016-07-27 21:41 <Ubit> 22:37:41 - CombineContiguousRegions (MegaRegions) option is no longer suported.
2016-07-27 21:41 <Ubit> Use a older version to save region contents as OAR, then import into a fresh ins
2016-07-27 21:41 <Ubit> tall of this new version
2016-07-27 21:41 <Ubit> 22:37:41 - [APPLICATION]:
2016-07-27 21:41 <Ubit> APPLICATION EXCEPTION DETECTED: System.UnhandledExceptionEventArgs
2016-07-27 21:41 <Ubit> Exception: System.Exception: CombineContiguousRegions not suported
2016-07-27 21:41 <Ubit>    at OpenSim.OpenSimBase.StartupSpecific() in C:\Avination\testsim\OpenSim\Regi
2016-07-27 21:41 <Ubit> on\Application\OpenSimBase.cs:line 228
2016-07-27 21:41 <Ubit> bye bye megas.. stage 0
2016-07-27 22:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #4779 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-27 22:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4779: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4779/
2016-07-27 22:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: first step removing MegaRegions: refuse to run. Thanks to all that made MegaRegions possible, they where a important OpenSim feature, but can no longer be mantained
2016-07-27 22:23 <Ubit> mantained?  ufff
2016-07-27 22:24 <Ubit> so nice no one sees git commits ;)
2016-07-27 22:46 <Ubit> yeaaackk
2016-07-27 22:52 <Ubit> did you finish cia-opensim ?  uff
2016-07-27 22:53 <JeffKelley> just wow !
2016-07-27 22:53 <Ubit> it was just updating the tests branch with the changes on master :(
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2016-07-27 23:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #4780 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-27 23:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4780: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4780/
2016-07-27 23:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove the RegionCombinerModule (mega regions), references still all over the place. runprebuild maybe needed after this
2016-07-27 23:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #4781 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-27 23:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4781: SUCCESS in 5 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4781/
2016-07-27 23:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove references to RegionCombinerModule
2016-07-27 23:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #4782 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-27 23:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4782: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4782/
2016-07-27 23:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove more code related to Mega regions
2016-07-28 00:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #4783 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-28 00:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4783: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4783/
2016-07-28 00:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove more code related to Mega regions
2016-07-28 02:28 <osmantis> Bug #7978:04 Group profile continually shows "Loading..." when I try to invite someone into my group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7978 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-07-28 02:35 <osmantis> Bug #7978:04 Group profile continually shows "Loading..." when I try to invite someone into my group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7978 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-07-28 02:36 <osmantis> Bug #7978:04 Group profile continually shows "Loading..." when I try to invite someone into my group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7978 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-28 03:40 <osmantis> Bug #7978:04 Group profile continually shows "Loading..." when I try to invite someone into my group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7978 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-28 04:47 <osmantis> Bug #7979:04 llSetPrimitiveParams doesn't use vectors like specified (PRIM_TYPE) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7979 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-07-28 07:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #4784 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-28 07:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4784: SUCCESS in 6 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4784/
2016-07-28 07:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  revert adding a new IM parameter ( commit bf604c85c66dd3bed06e3103cdf210ede02c151f
2016-07-28 08:33 <osmantis> Bug #7978:04 Group profile continually shows "Loading..." when I try to invite someone into my group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7978 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-28 16:53 <osmantis> Bug #7978:04 Group profile continually shows "Loading..." when I try to invite someone into my group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7978 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-28 19:13 <Ubit> wb osmantis
2016-07-28 19:31 <osmantis> Bug #7980:04 TollFree~* C@ll 1.800.681.7208 ROCKETMAIL  technical support phone number 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7980 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-07-28 19:38 <Ubit> err?
2016-07-28 19:44 <osmantis> Bug #7980:04 TollFree~* C@ll 1.800.681.7208 ROCKETMAIL  technical support phone number 14(  ): has been DELETED.
2016-07-28 20:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #4785 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-28 20:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4785: SUCCESS in 5 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4785/
2016-07-28 20:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  a zero direction vector in llEdgeOfWorld() should return TRUE not FALSE, (SL wiki)
2016-07-28 23:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #4786 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-29 00:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4786: SUCCESS in 5 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4786/
2016-07-29 00:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix llEdgeOfWorld() for var regions (someone needs to test this better
2016-07-29 00:09 <osmantis> Bug #7981:04 New Feature - Create user appearance from model avatar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7981 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-07-29 00:10 <osmantis> Bug #7981:04 New Feature - Create user appearance from model avatar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7981 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-07-29 00:11 <notskittles> Melanie_T we talked about this patch about 12 hours ago.
2016-07-29 04:08 <Aramis^> nebadon and Plugh , I know you've both worked with Raspberry Pi's, ever do anything with Arduino? I have some coming to play with. PM me if you have any info, thanks! Also anyone, does mantis want avatar name, email, or separate username, not sure if I ever signed up on it previously, I can pm what I might have used if it can be searched. Same for OSGrid forums, thanks.
2016-07-29 04:19 <osmantis> Bug #7975:04 Offline messages are not sent/received from/to PostgreSQL regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7975 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-07-29 12:37 <ssm2017> hello
2016-07-29 12:38 <ssm2017> after migration our simulators to the last dev version, i am not able to compile some scripts. it is telling me an error in bin/opensim.region.scriptengine.shared.api.runtime.dll
2016-07-29 12:38 <ssm2017> have you heard about this ?
2016-07-29 12:38 <ssm2017> no errors in console
2016-07-29 12:39 <ssm2017> using mono 3.2.8
2016-07-29 12:40 <ssm2017> error in line 0,0
2016-07-29 12:57 <ssm2017> even using 0.8.2-pf
2016-07-29 12:58 <ssm2017> now, 0.8.2-pf is saying 0.9 dev when using "show version"
2016-07-29 13:04 <ssm2017> group owned object
2016-07-29 13:40 <ssm2017> i have to leave now, i will check this again on sunday (maybe an oar issue with ownership)
2016-07-29 14:22 <Ubit> aramis The pi things had a "big" arm cpu ram etc..  arduinos have a lot smaller microcontrolers
2016-07-29 14:22 <Ubit> err "have"
2016-07-29 14:23 <Ubit> ssm that sounf like mixed files from several versions
2016-07-29 14:25 <Ubit> you may also need to delete the contents of bin/addin-db-?? 
2016-07-29 14:25 <Ubit> on a first run with a new version ( ie it is not empty already )
2016-07-29 14:26 <ssm2017> Ubit bin folder is completely new
2016-07-29 14:26 <Ubit> bin/scriptengines also clean ?
2016-07-29 14:26 <ssm2017> yes, the complete bin folder is new
2016-07-29 14:27 <ssm2017> i will try some things on sunday because i have to leave now
2016-07-29 14:27 <Ubit> ok
2016-07-29 14:27 <ssm2017> thank you for attention, i will let you know if not solved
2016-07-29 18:03 <djphil> Hello, something is broken in OSGrid today ?
2016-07-29 18:04 <Ubit> seems so
2016-07-29 18:04 <djphil> Every time i compile a script i get alert on console
2016-07-29 18:04 <Ubit> assets server  and possible more thins
2016-07-29 18:04 <djphil> yes somethink with assets
2016-07-29 18:04 <djphil> this one : 20:04:07 - [Assets]: Upload failed: c74050e7-9163-4033-a625-1a69f89c12f9 - Requeuing asset for another run.
2016-07-29 18:05 <Ubit> yeap
2016-07-29 18:05 <djphil> with all existing object or full new object
2016-07-29 18:05 <djphil> every time this alert ...
2016-07-29 18:15 <Ubit> yeap guess assets are down again
2016-07-29 18:35 <djphil> strangely, the grid remain online ...
2016-07-30 00:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #4787 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-30 00:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4787: SUCCESS in 6 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4787/
2016-07-30 00:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: in RegionInfoCache, replace lib omv ExpireCaches by a single dedicated one
2016-07-30 02:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #4788 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-30 02:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4788: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4788/
2016-07-30 02:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a regionInfoCache get by world 2D position
2016-07-30 02:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #4789 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-30 02:32 <Ubit> errr
2016-07-30 02:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4789: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4789/
2016-07-30 02:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a regionInfoCache cache add region with expire time option
2016-07-30 03:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #4790 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-30 03:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4790: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4790/
2016-07-30 03:30 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove a unused parameter
2016-07-30 03:30 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix cAgent.CrossingFlags
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2016-07-30 11:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #4791 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-30 11:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4791: SUCCESS in 6 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4791/
2016-07-30 11:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove obsolete config setting
2016-07-30 13:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #4792 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-30 13:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4792: SUCCESS in 5 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4792/
2016-07-30 13:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let LocalGridServiceConnector also have a RegionInfoCache, use the remote one if this is active.
2016-07-30 16:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #4793 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-30 16:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4793: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4793/
2016-07-30 16:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix RegionInfoCache keys compare, remove RegionCache now replaced by RegionInfoCache
2016-07-30 19:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #4794 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-30 19:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4794: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4794/
2016-07-30 19:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  change RegionInfoCache expires control
2016-07-30 19:14 <smxy> Ubit: ping :)
2016-07-30 19:14 <Ubit> pong
2016-07-30 19:16 <smxy> Hi. I'm running code from the 9th of this month. You've made a lot of changes since then. Is there anything known broken, due to recent changes that would maybe mean I don't want to update yet? My grid relies on HG TPS being near perfect. Anything else I can deal with.
2016-07-30 19:16 <smxy> Well, region crossings too.
2016-07-30 19:16 <Ubit> you ask hard questions :)
2016-07-30 19:16 <smxy> :)
2016-07-30 19:16 <smxy> Former software tester. Sorry. :p
2016-07-30 19:17 <Ubit> well i did broke something today  a console comand
2016-07-30 19:17 <Ubit> MainConsole.Instance.Output("Neighbours list not avaiable in this version\n");
2016-07-30 19:18 <smxy> ok
2016-07-30 19:18 <Ubit> rest..  well let me know :)
2016-07-30 19:18 <Ubit> btw tested those view settings?
2016-07-30 19:18 <smxy> No. I told you I would when I next updated/restarted. That's what we're discussing now. :)
2016-07-30 19:18 <Ubit> oops :)
2016-07-30 19:19 <smxy> I only restart when I update the grid.
2016-07-30 19:19 <smxy> I've gone more than 8 months, at times, without a restart.
2016-07-30 19:20 <smxy> I do try not to go that long these days, though. :)
2016-07-30 19:40 <Ubit> BUG lol
2016-07-30 19:41 <Ubit> fixing it ( stanalones case )
2016-07-30 19:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #4795 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-30 19:57 <Ubit> odd one region is day other night?  hmm whatever :)
2016-07-30 19:58 <Ubit> ok standalones seem happy again
2016-07-30 19:58 <Ubit> lets see if osjenkins is also happy
2016-07-30 19:59 <Ubit> hmm no much need for megas or even vars on standalones with multi instances it seems
2016-07-30 20:00 <Ubit> at least avatar crossing is nice
2016-07-30 20:01 <Ubit> except this day night thing grrr :)
2016-07-30 20:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4795: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4795/
2016-07-30 20:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix NULL references added in recente changes in standalone mode
2016-07-30 20:02 <Ubit> ken ping
2016-07-30 20:04 <Ubit> anyone remember where ( and if) we can get the grid version ?
2016-07-30 20:05 <Ubit> there is some hack code for compatibility with 0.8 grid that id like to clean up
2016-07-30 20:06 <Ubit> ( without breaking 0.9 regions on 0.8 grids as much as possible )
2016-07-30 20:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #4796 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-30 20:26 <Ubit> err created or at least initialized
2016-07-30 20:27 <Ubit> oops
2016-07-30 20:29 <Ubit> they aren't ;)
2016-07-30 20:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4796: FAILURE in 3 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4796/
2016-07-30 20:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  stop creating caches on all standalone regions on a single instance ( why are shared modules been created on every scene?? )
2016-07-30 20:29 <Ubit> nice osjenkins
2016-07-30 20:29 <Ubit> what hell
2016-07-30 20:33 <Ken_Savage> Pong Ubit
2016-07-30 20:33 <Ubit> the httptests is working ok as robust ?
2016-07-30 20:34 <Ken_Savage> I havent tested since restarting about an hour ago with the latest code
2016-07-30 20:34 <Ken_Savage> It has been fine though before that
2016-07-30 20:34 <Ubit> im mean the http part
2016-07-30 20:34 <Ken_Savage> Oh yes, no issues at all the whole time
2016-07-30 20:34 <Ubit> i didn't change that in days
2016-07-30 20:35 <Ubit> ok thx
2016-07-30 20:35 <Ken_Savage> Its been god from the start
2016-07-30 20:35 <Ubit> let me try to make jenkis happy again
2016-07-30 20:35 <Ken_Savage> *good... not quite God good yet :)
2016-07-30 20:36 <Ken_Savage> Ubit, ok let me know when is good to update again on httptests
2016-07-30 20:36 <Ubit> only the tests got broken
2016-07-30 20:36 <Ubit> i think
2016-07-30 20:37 <Ubit> and the last issue seems to be on standalones
2016-07-30 20:37 <Ubit> goog osg is down.. made me test standalone mode :)
2016-07-30 20:37 <Ken_Savage> Ya, I don't do standalones so can't help there
2016-07-30 20:37 <Ubit> well not goog or good.. but well
2016-07-30 20:38 <Ken_Savage> I was afraid it would go down right on osg birthday weekend, and sure enough
2016-07-30 20:40 <danbanner> we still have performers HG in and 35 people
2016-07-30 20:40 <danbanner> but ya bad timing
2016-07-30 20:42 <Ken_Savage> Restarting test grid with latest httptests code
2016-07-30 20:46 <Ken_Savage> Ubit, Savage will be back up on all sims wit5hin about 30 minutes,
2016-07-30 20:46 <Ken_Savage> if you need to do some grid testing.
2016-07-30 21:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #4797 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4795 1 hr 9 min ago)
2016-07-30 21:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4797: STILL FAILING in 3 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4797/
2016-07-30 21:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  test jenkins for error line number
2016-07-30 21:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #4798 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4795 1 hr 23 min ago)
2016-07-30 21:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4798: STILL FAILING in 3 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4798/
2016-07-30 21:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  test jenkins for the null object
2016-07-30 21:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #4799 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4795 1 hr 30 min ago)
2016-07-30 21:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4799: STILL FAILING in 3 min 36 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4799/
2016-07-30 21:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  do not set m_RegionInfoCache null on each LocalGridServicesConnector construction
2016-07-30 21:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #4800 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4795 1 hr 48 min ago)
2016-07-30 21:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4800: STILL FAILING in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4800/
2016-07-30 21:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  still on jenkins
2016-07-30 21:50 <Ubit> what ?
2016-07-30 22:12 <Ken_Savage> Jenkins isn't Ubit's friend anymore :(
2016-07-30 22:22 <Ubit> no it isn't buaaaa
2016-07-30 22:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #4801 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4795 2 hr 27 min ago)
2016-07-30 22:28 <Ubit> bahh this last broken test is so wrong
2016-07-30 22:28 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-07-30 22:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4801: FIXED in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4801/
2016-07-30 22:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  move some code back to AddRegion because some tests dont issue RegionLoaded
2016-07-30 22:28 <Ubit> yeah  just IT is not fixed silly jenkis
2016-07-30 22:30 <Ubit> but problem seems only on tests.. so.. whatever
2016-07-30 22:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #4802 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-07-30 23:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4802: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4802/
2016-07-30 23:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  another try on jenkins
2016-07-30 23:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #4803 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-30 23:06 <Ubit> ( i should had removed all this commits from history :) )
2016-07-30 23:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4803: SUCCESS in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4803/
2016-07-30 23:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  cleanup to go break something else
2016-07-31 00:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #4804 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-31 01:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4804: SUCCESS in 5 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4804/
2016-07-31 01:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  rename a few things to reduce confusion between regions wold location and grid location (a lot more elsewhere)
2016-07-31 01:11 <Melanie_T> Ubit: so GridLoc is in 256 squares and plain location is in meters?
2016-07-31 01:12 <Ubit> yeap
2016-07-31 01:12 <Ubit> i just add Grid
2016-07-31 01:12 <Melanie_T> sure. makes sense. just confirming
2016-07-31 01:12 <Melanie_T> regarding RegionLoaded
2016-07-31 01:12 <Ubit> can't ever remember with current naming
2016-07-31 01:12 <Melanie_T> better way is to make the tests call it
2016-07-31 01:13 <Melanie_T> because it may impact future changes with false positives on tests
2016-07-31 01:13 <Ubit> guess in that case on addregion is ok
2016-07-31 01:14 <Ubit> but those tests.. well  you know
2016-07-31 01:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #4805 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-07-31 01:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: rearrange handlers convertion math, harcoding the grid unit size of 256m, also inviting jit to use cpu barrel shifters.
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2016-07-31 12:39 <Ubit> what was i thinking using regions uuid as main cache key?  xiii
2016-07-31 12:39 <Ubit> well works.. 
2016-07-31 13:11 <velus> hey up all
2016-07-31 18:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #4806 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-07-31 18:15 <osmantis> Bug #7860:04 llEdgeOfWorld does not work in var regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7860 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-31 18:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4806: SUCCESS in 7 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4806/
2016-07-31 18:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Change RegionInfoCache again...
2016-07-31 18:21 <Ubit> oops
2016-07-31 18:30 <osmantis> Bug #7860:04 llEdgeOfWorld does not work in var regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7860 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-07-31 18:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #4807 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-07-31 18:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: bug fix
2016-07-31 21:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #4808 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-07-31 21:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: simply NotFoundLocationCache, comment out some debug messages
2016-07-31 22:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #4809 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-07-31 22:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  on 0.8 grids compatibility code just do a BIG range request. It whould be done in most cases (open borders) plus 4 more. In future this code should not be used if the grid is >=0.9
2016-07-31 23:29 <Ubit> oops :)
2016-07-31 23:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #4810 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-07-31 23:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: bug fix: use UtcNow in both places :)
2016-08-01 00:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #4811 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-08-01 00:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: replace DateTime.Now by utcNow in another place
2016-08-01 03:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #4812 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-08-01 03:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missed a Math.sqrt ...
2016-08-01 09:07 <osmantis> Bug #7620:04 Adding AvatarHoverHeight to SimulatorFeatures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7620 ): has been CLOSED
2016-08-01 16:02 <Plugh> I'm about to do an update from 0.8.0 to master. Is there any compatibility issue with Robust 0.8.0 and Robust in master?
2016-08-01 16:09 <Ubit> u do ask hard questions :p
2016-08-01 16:24 <ssm2017> hello Ubit . i have said on friday that i had an issue when compiling some scripts with the -dev version. i have found and corrected the issue. it was because we were declaring a missing constant in lsl that was added later (PERMISSION_TELEPORT). so i removed the line and everything is fine now. ( integer PERMISSION_TELEPORT = 0x1000; )
2016-08-01 16:24 <Ubit> oh?
2016-08-01 16:24 <Ubit> ok
2016-08-01 16:24 <Ubit> ty
2016-08-01 17:29 <nebadon> Plugh i know you asked previously about the new beta skype for linux, i finally got around to testing it, and it works
2016-08-01 17:29 <nebadon> even voice works well, it does not have good support for groups yet
2016-08-01 17:30 <nebadon> groups work, but you cant create a group or find a group that already exists, you can add it to favorites though once you get in the group 
2016-08-01 17:30 <nebadon> it definitely works better than the previous linux client did
2016-08-01 17:31 <nebadon> I am using pulseaudio though, no idea if you can use it without pulseaudio
2016-08-01 17:34 <nebadon> one thing i noticed though is that when i switched back to windows client none of my chat showed up there, only other persons stuff did
2016-08-01 17:34 <nebadon> text chat that is
2016-08-01 17:44 <Plugh> Ubit: :)
2016-08-01 17:44 <Plugh> I'm in the middle of trying to update to 0.9 and, as usual, things aren't going well.
2016-08-01 18:19 <osmantis> Bug #7982:04 DataSnapShot module not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7982 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-01 18:42 <Plugh> nebadon: I haven't tested the latest update. The group chats I have set up are mostly missing in the latest version.
2016-08-01 18:43 <Plugh> I never had much problem with the old version of Skype for Linux. The only issues I had was it didn't have all the emoticons of the Windows version and when people shared an image I had to log in to the Skype website to see the image.
2016-08-01 18:45 <Plugh> I fixed my original problem. Now the instance won't load because of the following:
2016-08-01 18:45 <Plugh> 2016-08-01 11:30:29,535 INFO  (1) - OpenSim.Framework.PluginLoader`1 [PLUGINS]: Plugin Loaded: OpenSim.RegionModules.RegionCombinerModule
2016-08-01 18:45 <Plugh> 2016-08-01 11:30:29,535 FATAL (1) - OpenSim.Framework.Servers.BaseOpenSimServer Fatal error: Could not load type 'OpenSim.Region.Framework.Interfaces.IRegionCombinerModule' from assembly 'OpenSim.Region.Framework, Version=0.9.0.18261, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null'.
2016-08-01 18:45 <Plugh> I'm stuck at this point. I have no idea what is wrong. 
2016-08-01 18:49 <Plugh> I'm trying to start the instance under Windows. Do I need a newer(?) version of .NET?
2016-08-01 19:38 <nebadon> what version of .net do you have Plugh?
2016-08-01 19:46 <Plugh> I think I have 4.0
2016-08-01 19:47 <Plugh> nebadon: The grid is offline while I'm trying to figure out what's wrong.
2016-08-01 19:55 <Plugh> nebadon: I have 3.5 and 4.5 Framework Features installed
2016-08-01 19:55 <nebadon> ok thats all you should need
2016-08-01 19:55 <nebadon> I think
2016-08-01 19:55 <nebadon> i dont often run opensim on windows
2016-08-01 19:56 <Plugh> I have an older version of master running a test grid. I didn't expect any issues getting 0.9 running on the main servers.
2016-08-01 19:57 <nebadon> Region Combiner, is this multi-region sim or a mega-region?
2016-08-01 19:57 <Aramis^> Ubit just changed something affecting megas I believe a few days ago
2016-08-01 19:57 <nebadon> yea
2016-08-01 19:58 <Aramis^> effecting?
2016-08-01 19:58 <Plugh> Standard size regions
2016-08-01 19:58 <nebadon> I dont think they work anymore, need to convert to var
2016-08-01 19:58 <nebadon> ok
2016-08-01 19:58 <Plugh> region
2016-08-01 19:58 <nebadon> wierd it mentions RegionCombiner module
2016-08-01 19:58 <nebadon> its more than 1 region?
2016-08-01 19:58 <Plugh> I'm not using any megas
2016-08-01 19:58 <Plugh> One instance, one region.
2016-08-01 19:59 <nebadon> let me update my windows test region
2016-08-01 19:59 <nebadon> one sec
2016-08-01 19:59 <Plugh> ok, ty
2016-08-01 19:59 <Aramis^> what loads right after regioncombiner, I've seen some errors like that it chokes trying to do the next thing
2016-08-01 20:00 <Plugh> Did some recent code changes break things? I could back off a few commits.
2016-08-01 20:01 <nebadon> hah clam setinal doesnt like compiling opensim, flags http server as untrusted, unsigned and quarantines it
2016-08-01 20:01 <nebadon> ok there we go, disabled it
2016-08-01 20:01 <nebadon> region fired right up
2016-08-01 20:01 <nebadon> are you using old .ini files Plugh?
2016-08-01 20:02 <Plugh> No. Using the existing ones with the grid specific settings in a separate file.
2016-08-01 20:02 <nebadon> ok
2016-08-01 20:02 <nebadon> maybe why
2016-08-01 20:02 <nebadon> logged in no problem too
2016-08-01 20:03 <nebadon> can you try firing it up with some stock ini files?
2016-08-01 20:03 <nebadon> then maybe do a windiff or something
2016-08-01 20:03 <nebadon> my guess is it doesnt like the ini files you are using
2016-08-01 20:03 <nebadon> really depends on how old they are i guess
2016-08-01 20:04 <nebadon> WinMerge i mean not windiff
2016-08-01 20:06 <Plugh> I create the master ini file under Linux then copy it to Windows.
2016-08-01 20:06 <Plugh> http://pastebin.com/sXyd1Wk3
2016-08-01 20:07 <Plugh> I copy the ini files from the source tree to a separate directory and combine them in to a single file with my local settings appended as the last file.
2016-08-01 20:07 <nebadon> oh so you are using the newest ini files then?
2016-08-01 20:07 <Plugh> yes.
2016-08-01 20:08 <Plugh> I compared the files in the directory where I build the ini against the source tree and found I had to update a couple of them.
2016-08-01 20:09 <Plugh> I'll diff the source tree ini files between 080 and 090 and see if there are new settings that are required.
2016-08-01 20:10 <nebadon> ok ya with my setup i was just using the standard config files/locations
2016-08-01 20:10 <nebadon> and it does seem to work ok
2016-08-01 20:11 <Plugh> This is what I really hate about OS. It throws an error at you with no real hint as to the real cause of the complaint.
2016-08-01 20:12 <Plugh> I'm dead in the water with no clue what to do to get the grid back online.
2016-08-01 20:15 <Plugh> oh, good. Its just one of the region servers that is down. I can log in to regions on another server.
2016-08-01 20:16 <nebadon> RegionCombinerModule in the code sort of points to Region.ini maybe
2016-08-01 20:16 <Plugh> There is no problem with the current code in the git repo?
2016-08-01 20:16 <nebadon> no
2016-08-01 20:16 <nebadon> i just pulled to master
2016-08-01 20:16 <nebadon> and its running fine for me
2016-08-01 20:16 <Plugh> The Region.ini is automatically generated by the grid management software.
2016-08-01 20:17 <nebadon> i searched for RegionCombinerModule in source with VS
2016-08-01 20:17 <nebadon> and it points at Regions.ini section
2016-08-01 20:18 <Plugh> http://pastebin.com/ns0f09GR
2016-08-01 20:19 <nebadon> hmm
2016-08-01 20:20 <nebadon> you have a lot of stuff in there that I dont ever use
2016-08-01 20:20 <nebadon> some of that stuff might not even work anymore
2016-08-01 20:20 <Plugh> yea, the master avatar stuff is still being generated. I think that isn't used any more.
2016-08-01 20:21 <nebadon> the example and my generated ini do not have any quotes
2016-08-01 20:21 <nebadon> but that should not matter I would think
2016-08-01 20:22 <Plugh> Its all the same settings I have in a Regions.ini in the 0.9 based test grid.
2016-08-01 20:22 <nebadon> k
2016-08-01 20:22 <nebadon> hmm
2016-08-01 20:22 <Plugh> The updated grid management program was tested by managing the test grid before it was used on the main grid. Its been running fine for quite some time.
2016-08-01 20:23 <nebadon> you are changing the relative paths at top of Grid.ini?
2016-08-01 20:23 <nebadon> that Points to GridCommon.ini?
2016-08-01 20:24 <Plugh> The script that creates the master ini only comments out the Include statements.
2016-08-01 20:24 <nebadon> there are a lot of relative paths intertwined in the ini files
2016-08-01 20:24 <nebadon> ah ok
2016-08-01 20:25 <Plugh> Relative to what? I will have to check what the cwd is when the OpenSim.exe is launched.
2016-08-01 20:26 <nebadon> not sure it sort of seems like Regions.ini might be the problem
2016-08-01 20:26 <nebadon> maybe it cant find it
2016-08-01 20:26 <nebadon> i dunno
2016-08-01 20:26 <nebadon> my guess is its getting null data or something
2016-08-01 20:27 <Plugh> If that is the case it should say so instead of something failing later on.
2016-08-01 20:27 <nebadon> thats generally how opensim reacts if it cant find an ini
2016-08-01 20:27 <nebadon> it spits out errors like that
2016-08-01 20:27 <nebadon> try this as a test
2016-08-01 20:27 <nebadon> hard code the region.ini location in OpenSim.ini section
2016-08-01 20:27 <Plugh> OpenSim needs to be changed to immediately point out a file it can't read when it tries to read it.
2016-08-01 20:28 <nebadon> regionload_regiondir=
2016-08-01 20:28 <nebadon> its in [Startup] section
2016-08-01 20:29 <Plugh> The regionload_regionsdir value is already an absolute path to the Regions dir for the instance.
2016-08-01 20:30 <Plugh> That's handled by the grid management software when it generates the ini for the instance.
2016-08-01 20:30 <nebadon> k
2016-08-01 20:30 <nebadon> yea I am kind of stumped
2016-08-01 20:30 <nebadon> the path is correct?
2016-08-01 20:31 <Plugh> The binaries are in a single directory and the instances use that one dir. Each instance dir has a log, ini, pid, and Regions dir, and ScriptEngines dir.
2016-08-01 20:32 <Plugh> yes, I did double check that. The grid management program builds the paths from a known starting point and checks for certain key files and directories.
2016-08-01 20:41 <Plugh> Upgrades seldom go as smoothly as one would hope.
2016-08-01 20:42 <Plugh> I may have to wait for Melanie if she isn't in the middle of driving her stuff to her new abode.
2016-08-01 20:46 <Plugh> I'm thinking of reverting my source tree to the same version of code that is running on the test grid.
2016-08-01 21:35 <osmantis> Bug #7983:04 Asset warning: Upload failed , when osOwnerSaveAppearance is used. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7983 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-01 21:39 <osmantis> Bug #7983:04 Asset warning: Upload failed , when osOwnerSaveAppearance is used. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7983 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-08-01 21:47 <osmantis> Bug #7983:04 Asset warning: Upload failed , when osOwnerSaveAppearance is used. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7983 ): has been UPDATED.
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2016-08-01 23:21 <Plugh> interesting. git master will no longer compile with nant
2016-08-01 23:24 <Plugh> oh, great. I finally figure out why 0.9 wasn't working and now I find DataSnapshot module is broken?
2016-08-01 23:28 <smxy> Has anyone tried creating a new estate, when using Diva's central estate service? I haven't had to make one in ages, definitely before 0.9, and when I try to, it's broken. I kinda need it to work. Let me get the error message.
2016-08-01 23:29 <Ubit> DataSnapshot  is broken?
2016-08-01 23:32 <osmantis> Bug #7982:04 DataSnapShot module not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7982 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2016-08-01 23:33 <smxy> http://pastebin.com/P6XBZqcq
2016-08-01 23:34 <smxy> On an unrelated note, when I logged into the region, I'm getting tons of these flying by: http://pastebin.com/wBjayMYb
2016-08-01 23:34 <smxy> This is dev code from 7/9
2016-08-01 23:37 <smxy> Kinda hard to create a new estate for my new resident when it's broken like that. :)
2016-08-01 23:38 <Ubit> last is just anoying..  viewer closed the pool conection
2016-08-01 23:38 <smxy> 100s of them is more than just annoying. :)
2016-08-01 23:38 <Ubit> by timeout or whatever
2016-08-01 23:39 <smxy> And they happened on login, then have stopped.
2016-08-01 23:39 <Ubit> possilbe on a load peak?
2016-08-01 23:39 <smxy> But yes, I can ignore them for now. It's the estate creation that a real problem.
2016-08-01 23:39 <smxy> Possibly.
2016-08-01 23:39 <Ubit> that is with what version ?
2016-08-01 23:40 <smxy> 8d27abd
2016-08-01 23:40 <smxy> from about July 9th
2016-08-01 23:40 <smxy> That's when I built code last.
2016-08-01 23:41 <smxy> Who knows when it broke though. I last tried to make an estate pre-merge.
2016-08-01 23:41 <smxy> Well, before the merge.
2016-08-01 23:41 <smxy> I mean, long before the merge.
2016-08-01 23:42 <smxy> Should I file a mantis on it, Ubit?
2016-08-01 23:45 <Ubit> what database?
2016-08-01 23:45 <smxy> MySQL
2016-08-01 23:46 <smxy> Before we go any further, let me say 'thank you' for looking at it. :)
2016-08-01 23:48 <Ubit> no estates before?
2016-08-01 23:48 <smxy> I have other estates.
2016-08-01 23:49 <Melanie_> smxy: these messages are caused by master having the http server module that contains a faulty patch of mine
2016-08-01 23:49 <Melanie_> the patch has been bacled out in ubit's http tests branch
2016-08-01 23:49 <smxy> So when I update that'll be fixed?
2016-08-01 23:49 <Melanie_> which will be merged at some point but for now you get the messages
2016-08-01 23:49 <smxy> ah, okay, fine. ty :)
2016-08-01 23:50 <smxy> So then it's just this estate thing.
2016-08-01 23:50 <Ubit> they are mainly like a warning for now
2016-08-01 23:50 <Melanie_> diva's estate module is likely not to work with 0.9 but it's not core so you will have to wait for diva to update t
2016-08-01 23:50 <smxy> I'm happy to ignore them. Just thought I should mention them.
2016-08-01 23:50 <smxy> yes
2016-08-01 23:50 <smxy> it
2016-08-01 23:50 <smxy> is
2016-08-01 23:50 <smxy> It's built into core
2016-08-01 23:51 <smxy> It's an alternate config for estates
2016-08-01 23:51 <Ubit> ohh the estates is using only core or a addon?
2016-08-01 23:51 <Melanie_> i wasn't aware of it. what does it do?
2016-08-01 23:51 <Melanie_> erm
2016-08-01 23:51 <smxy> it's a central estate service
2016-08-01 23:51 <Melanie_> the centralized database for estates is not by diva
2016-08-01 23:51 <Melanie_> i did that way way back
2016-08-01 23:51 <Melanie_> it's not a "service"
2016-08-01 23:51 <smxy> yes, she made a connector for it and so on
2016-08-01 23:51 <Melanie_> just a means to use a common database
2016-08-01 23:51 <Melanie_> ok, so i missed that
2016-08-01 23:52 <smxy> let me find the relevant settings
2016-08-01 23:52 <Ubit> you say you have estates?  odd
2016-08-01 23:52 <smxy> why would that be odd? ;)
2016-08-01 23:52 <Ubit> for the NULL exception i see
2016-08-01 23:53 <smxy> one part of the config is in robust ini. It's in ServiceList and is called EstateDataService
2016-08-01 23:54 <Ubit> any message like [ESTATE CONNECTOR]: LoadEstateSettingsAll returned {0} elements ?
2016-08-01 23:56 <smxy> from when I ran the create? I copied the command I gave and the entire output.
2016-08-01 23:56 <smxy> Another part of the config is EstateDataStore in GridCommon
2016-08-01 23:57 <smxy> I believe EstateService in the same file, is part of it too.
2016-08-01 23:57 <Ubit> well i see why the crash
2016-08-01 23:58 <Ubit> but its bc no estates are found
2016-08-01 23:58 <smxy> estate show finds one
2016-08-01 23:58 <smxy> Region (The Darkmatter) # estate show
2016-08-01 23:58 <smxy> Estate information for region The Darkmatter
2016-08-01 23:58 <smxy> Estate Name          ID      Owner
2016-08-01 23:58 <smxy> The Dark Tower       100     Shaun Emerald
2016-08-01 23:59 <smxy> So there ARE estates. :)
2016-08-01 23:59 <Ubit> goot for you ;)
2016-08-01 23:59 <smxy> heh, just letting you know there is actually one, found or not. :)
2016-08-02 00:06 <smxy> Ubit: That message you asked about, I see it on region start.
2016-08-02 00:06 <smxy> 2016-07-31 12:36:36,375 DEBUG - OpenSim.Services.Connectors.EstateDataRemoteConnector [ESTATE CONNECTOR]: LoadEstateSettings(ea8b7993-3930-43d8-94d1-3b09edd0d711) returned 29 elements
2016-08-02 00:06 <smxy> 2016-07-31 12:36:36,489 DEBUG - OpenSim.Services.Connectors.EstateDataRemoteConnector [ESTATE CONNECTOR]: LoadEstateSettings(ea8b7993-3930-43d8-94d1-3b09edd0d711) returned 29 elements
2016-08-02 00:07 <smxy> And: 31 12:39:24,785 DEBUG - OpenSim.Services.Connectors.EstateDataRemoteConnector [ESTATE CONNECTOR]: LoadEstateSettingsAll returned 24 elements
2016-08-02 00:08 <smxy> oh, that last one is followed by an error:
2016-08-02 00:08 <smxy> oh, nvm. That last line I pasted, and the error, are from an attempt to make the estate, which I already gave you.
2016-08-02 00:16 <Ubit> can you try this smxy ?
2016-08-02 00:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4813: FAILURE in 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4813/
2016-08-02 00:17 <Ubit> errr
2016-08-02 00:17 <Ubit> better wait :)
2016-08-02 00:17 <smxy> hehe, ok
2016-08-02 00:18 <Ubit> uff jenkins failed getint git it seems
2016-08-02 00:18 <Ubit> so mb its faster if you try :)
2016-08-02 00:18 <smxy> :)
2016-08-02 00:19 <Plugh> Ubit: yes, DataSnaphot is broken.
2016-08-02 00:19 <Ubit> how broken?
2016-08-02 00:19 <Ubit> ie how to repo ?
2016-08-02 00:21 <smxy> Ubit: Building now.
2016-08-02 00:21 <smxy> Do I need to update Robust, the region or both?
2016-08-02 00:21 <Ubit> hm crash was on region right?
2016-08-02 00:22 <smxy> yes, at region console
2016-08-02 00:22 <Ubit> ok so just region  ( for now=
2016-08-02 00:22 <smxy> I'll try just updating that first.
2016-08-02 00:25 <Ubit> hmm worked on for me Plugh
2016-08-02 00:26 <Ubit> i mean ok
2016-08-02 00:27 <Ubit> well i have things on the bin/data.. folder
2016-08-02 00:31 <smxy> Ubit: same thing.
2016-08-02 00:31 <smxy> No change.
2016-08-02 00:31 <Ubit> null in line 139 ?
2016-08-02 00:32 <smxy> yes
2016-08-02 00:32 <smxy> 20:30:50 - Command error: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
2016-08-02 00:32 <smxy>   at OpenSim.Services.Connectors.EstateDataRemoteConnector.GetEstates (System.String search) [0x0002f]: in /opensim/src/coreOS/build/build-b1ef269/OpenSim/Services/Connectors/Estate/EstateDataConnector.cs:139
2016-08-02 00:33 <smxy> And the line before it: 20:30:50 - [ESTATE CONNECTOR]: LoadEstateSettingsAll returned 24 elements
2016-08-02 00:33 <Ubit> so where did they go ?? lol
2016-08-02 00:33 <smxy> Good question. :)
2016-08-02 00:34 <Ubit> DAhhhh
2016-08-02 00:35 <smxy> I must attend to something. I'll be back in 30-45 minutes.
2016-08-02 00:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #4814 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4812 20 hr ago)
2016-08-02 00:43 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-08-02 00:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4814: FIXED in 5 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4814/
2016-08-02 00:43 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add a extra null check on epxirecache out ( ?? )
2016-08-02 00:43 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: revert that and actually don't loose the estates :)
2016-08-02 00:57 <osmantis> Bug #7983:04 Asset warning: Upload failed , when osOwnerSaveAppearance is used. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7983 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-02 00:57 <Plugh> Ubit, I'll add the red text to the mantis later.
2016-08-02 01:09 <smxy> Back.
2016-08-02 01:10 <smxy> Ubit: I can't tell ... is there a new fix to try?
2016-08-02 01:10 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-02 01:10 <smxy> okay, will do that now.
2016-08-02 01:10 <Ubit> 01:38] <cia-opensim> opensim: ajlduarte * r908b5e852667 OpenSim/Services/Connectors/Estate (EstateDataConnector.cs):
2016-08-02 01:10 <Ubit> [01:38] <cia-opensim>   revert that and actually don't loose the estates :)
2016-08-02 01:17 <smxy> Of course, he's already loaded the region with over 11K prims and 3.5K scripts, so it takes a while to start ...
2016-08-02 01:19 <smxy> Well, I don't get an ERROR, but ... 
2016-08-02 01:19 <smxy> Region (The Darkmatter) # estate create 417c38f8-a0cc-4d2c-941f-56f6ca14ebd4 Darkmatter
2016-08-02 01:19 <smxy> 21:19:22 - [ESTATE CONNECTOR]: LoadEstateSettingsAll returned 24 elements
2016-08-02 01:19 <smxy> Unable to create estate "Darkmatter" at this simulator
2016-08-02 01:20 <Ubit> off course..  darkmatter is stiil  a unknown thing :p
2016-08-02 01:21 <smxy> Um.
2016-08-02 01:21 <smxy> That would be the point of *creating* it. :)
2016-08-02 01:24 <Ubit> hmm i see create new state as forbidden? odd :)
2016-08-02 01:25 <smxy> hehe
2016-08-02 01:25 <Ubit> well was also on 0.8
2016-08-02 01:26 <Ubit> it is a standalone on in grid ?
2016-08-02 01:27 <Ubit> or on a grid?
2016-08-02 01:28 <Ubit> if on a grid  mb estates creation is a grid side thing ?
2016-08-02 01:28 <smxy> grid
2016-08-02 01:28 <smxy> I did mention robust, as you may recall. :)
2016-08-02 01:28 <smxy> No estate creation commands at the robust console.
2016-08-02 01:28 <Ubit> yeap on a grid region estate creation is forbidden
2016-08-02 01:29 <smxy> It's a simulator command
2016-08-02 01:29 <Ubit> yes on standalones
2016-08-02 01:29 <smxy> Type help estates at the command line
2016-08-02 01:29 <smxy> That is how I have always created estates.
2016-08-02 01:30 <smxy> So if you can't dreate it at the robust or simulator consoles, how DO you create it? ;)
2016-08-02 01:30 <smxy> create*
2016-08-02 01:31 <Ubit> wel i see the same forbid thing on 0.8
2016-08-02 01:31 <smxy> It's been a long time since I needed to make a new estate.
2016-08-02 01:31 <smxy> Maybe even before 0.8
2016-08-02 01:32 <smxy> But still. How is one supposed to create them, then?
2016-08-02 01:33 <Ubit> u ask hard questions :p
2016-08-02 01:34 <smxy> That's what testers are for. :)
2016-08-02 01:34 <Ubit> well wiki says estates are a sim side thing.
2016-08-02 01:34 <Ubit> odd
2016-08-02 01:37 <smxy> Yes :)
2016-08-02 01:37 <smxy> As I said, that's where I always have made them, other than as part of the new region creation dialoge.
2016-08-02 01:38 <Ubit> dont even understand why they aren't  on grid also
2016-08-02 01:46 <smxy> I'm trying to remember how to assign a region to an estate (once we figure out how to make one).
2016-08-02 01:46 <Ubit> well estates where added to robust
2016-08-02 01:47 <Ubit> by diva in 2015
2016-08-02 01:50 <smxy> sounds right
2016-08-02 01:50 <smxy> the connector thing
2016-08-02 01:50 <smxy> that I am using
2016-08-02 01:51 <Ubit> yeap the file i fixed was added then
2016-08-02 01:51 <Ubit> but on it
2016-08-02 01:51 <Ubit>         public EstateSettings CreateNewEstate()        {            // No can do            return null;        }
2016-08-02 01:52 <Ubit> that where to comand dies
2016-08-02 01:52 <smxy> Well, there can't be *no* way/place to make them, for a robust grid. :)
2016-08-02 01:52 <smxy> If there isn't, that would seem to be one hell of an oversight. :)
2016-08-02 01:52 <Ubit> to grid side makes sense
2016-08-02 01:52 <Ubit> to be
2016-08-02 01:55 <smxy> Did she perhaps add it to grid side and it got lost in the shuffle?
2016-08-02 01:57 <smxy> This is silly. I can't find a command to add a region to an estate. I'd swear there is one, though.
2016-08-02 01:57 <Ubit> errr
2016-08-02 01:57 <Ubit> [EstateDataStore]    ;    ; Uncomment if you want centralized estate data at robust server,    ; in which case the URL in [EstateService] will be used    ;    ;LocalServiceModule = "OpenSim.Services.Connectors.dll:EstateDataRemoteConnector"
2016-08-02 01:58 <Ubit> so to use grid one needs that
2016-08-02 01:59 <Ubit> ie im not using grid.. are you ? :)
2016-08-02 02:01 <smxy> yes. let me be sure I have that uncommented.
2016-08-02 02:01 <smxy> which file is it in?
2016-08-02 02:02 <smxy> robust?
2016-08-02 02:02 <Ubit> grid comum.ini
2016-08-02 02:02 <smxy> okay, let me look. Maybe I never uncommented that
2016-08-02 02:02 <Ubit> but not sure its the right move at this point
2016-08-02 02:03 <smxy> Yes, that *is* uncommented.
2016-08-02 02:09 <Ubit> ok let uncoment also and see
2016-08-02 02:11 <Ubit> err and does osg have it?
2016-08-02 02:12 <smxy> no idea. It's an optional service.
2016-08-02 02:12 <smxy> Probably they aren't using it.
2016-08-02 02:13 <Ubit> nothing on their grid.common
2016-08-02 02:13 <Ubit> so better i don't uncoment
2016-08-02 02:20 <Ubit> on robust there is also 
2016-08-02 02:20 <Ubit>    ;; Uncomment if you want to have centralized estate data
2016-08-02 02:20 <Ubit>     ; EstateDataService = "${Const|PrivatePort}/OpenSim.Server.Handlers.dll:EstateDataRobustConnector"
2016-08-02 02:22 <smxy> let me double check
2016-08-02 02:22 <smxy> Yes, uncommented
2016-08-02 02:25 <smxy> I basically set the settings and forgot them, when the feature came out.
2016-08-02 02:28 <Ubit> well seems for now estate == region
2016-08-02 02:29 <nebadon> diva will be back in a few days
2016-08-02 02:30 <nebadon> she created that for Encitra grid so she will be interested in making sure it works correctly
2016-08-02 02:30 <Ubit> or tell how it does work :)
2016-08-02 02:30 <nebadon> yea
2016-08-02 02:30 <nebadon> we use it so its important it stays working
2016-08-02 02:30 <nebadon> i forget now how it works too
2016-08-02 02:31 <Ubit> for now seems that estate == region
2016-08-02 02:31 <nebadon> i kind of remember there being something wierd about getting it working
2016-08-02 02:32 <Ubit> by 2 regions instance shows 2 estates
2016-08-02 02:32 <Ubit> same name and id lol
2016-08-02 02:33 <smxy> Is there a way I can manually create an estate and add a region to it now?
2016-08-02 02:34 <smxy> My resident sorta needs it. :)
2016-08-02 02:34 <Ubit> guess the region has its own estate no ?
2016-08-02 02:34 <smxy> It's an existing region I sold to him and need to move tohis own estate
2016-08-02 02:35 <Ubit> yes but now that region has its own estate no?
2016-08-02 02:35 <smxy> It is one of many regions in my estate, yes.
2016-08-02 02:36 <smxy> I want to make him his own estate and move the region to it.
2016-08-02 02:36 <Ubit> you have estates with several regions ?
2016-08-02 02:36 <smxy> Of course.
2016-08-02 02:36 <Ubit> how did u do that? :)
2016-08-02 02:36 <smxy> I made an estate and moved them to it.
2016-08-02 02:37 <Ubit> when create worked?
2016-08-02 02:37 <smxy> Yes.
2016-08-02 02:37 <smxy> My estate has 24 or so regions in it.
2016-08-02 02:38 <smxy> I'm not averse to editing the DB directly, if I can do what I need to, that way, for now.
2016-08-02 02:39 <smxy> I just need to know what to do.
2016-08-02 02:40 <Ubit> check MySQLEstateStore.cs
2016-08-02 02:40 <smxy> okay
2016-08-02 02:41 <smxy> And I imagine there'll be a field in regions table I'll need to edit too.
2016-08-02 02:46 <Ubit> cmd2.CommandText = "select LAST_INSERT_ID() as id"
2016-08-02 02:46 <Ubit> what does this?
2016-08-02 02:48 <Ubit> hmm ok
2016-08-02 02:49 <Ubit> don't like this creation without any suppllied data or checks
2016-08-02 02:55 <smxy> Not to put down all the goodness that is in OpenSim, but there's a lot to not like in it too, I imagine. :)
2016-08-02 03:14 <Plugh> nebadon: I finally solved my problem with getting OpenSim to start.
2016-08-02 03:18 <nebadon> what was it?
2016-08-02 03:22 <Plugh> No idea. I "fixed it" by doing 'git clean -x -df' then doing a rebuild. Must have been some older DLL that was still in the source tree from a previous compile that was causing a conflict of some kind.
2016-08-02 03:23 <nebadon> oh
2016-08-02 03:23 <nebadon> heh
2016-08-02 03:23 <Plugh> That and some other issues wasted my entire day.
2016-08-02 03:23 <nebadon> ya its pretty much essential to do that when you are going from one version to the next
2016-08-02 03:23 <nebadon> i assumed you were using a clean tree
2016-08-02 03:24 <Plugh> Um... this was the source tree that I've been using for git master for sometime and was the same tree that was used to compile git master that is running on the test grid.
2016-08-02 03:24 <nebadon> wierd
2016-08-02 03:24 <Plugh> yea
2016-08-02 03:25 <Plugh> If the tree compiled and was running the test grid I wouldn't expect some later update and compile to get in to some conflict situation.
2016-08-02 03:25 <nebadon> yea me either
2016-08-02 03:25 <nebadon> not if it was already testing 0.9
2016-08-02 03:25 <Plugh> It was.
2016-08-02 03:25 <nebadon> we havent touched anything in that area that I recall
2016-08-02 03:26 <nebadon> error could have had nothing to do with the actual problem though i guess
2016-08-02 03:26 <Plugh> The test grid was set up to test 0.9 to see if there were going to be any issues with it that would make the grid want to stick with what they were using.
2016-08-02 03:27 <Plugh> The errors often are because the code didn't report on some situation earlier in the start up cycle.
2016-08-02 03:27 <nebadon> yea
2016-08-02 03:27 <Plugh> For example, mess up the connection string. It won't report that it can't connect to the database. It will fail somewhere down the road about something to do with ISimulation something or other.
2016-08-02 03:28 <Plugh> Something like that. I forget what module it says has a problem or doesn't load if you get the connection string wrong.
2016-08-02 03:29 <Plugh> One of these days I may go through some parts of the code and improve reporting on configuration related errors that will prevent something from working.
2016-08-02 03:30 <nebadon> nice
2016-08-02 03:30 <nebadon> that would be great
2016-08-02 03:30 <Plugh> I have a few other projects to do first.
2016-08-02 03:30 <nebadon> glad you figured it out though
2016-08-02 03:30 <Plugh> yea, or else the entire day would have been a complete waste.
2016-08-02 03:30 <Plugh> Now I need to figure out why so many of the grid regions aren't starting up properly.
2016-08-02 03:33 <Plugh> I want to spend a bit more of tomorrow working on my GPS receiver project. I'm close to having some serial I/O routines working. I want to reduce the time between a couple of routines by about 35uS in the receive path.
2016-08-02 03:33 <nebadon> nice
2016-08-02 03:33 <nebadon> i just slapped a bluetooth usb dongle on my pi2
2016-08-02 03:33 <Plugh> nice.
2016-08-02 03:33 <nebadon> and have it synced with my old cell phone and i can play music now
2016-08-02 03:34 <nebadon> phone is like a remote control and the pi2 has old pair of speakers hooked to it
2016-08-02 03:34 <Plugh> The IoT hat that was a kickstarter campaign is going to be on its way to me later this week. Bluetooth and WiFi on one board the same size as a Pi Zero.
2016-08-02 03:34 <nebadon> i dug out an old soundblaster MP3+ usb sound card
2016-08-02 03:34 <nebadon> sounds pretty good
2016-08-02 03:34 <Plugh> nice
2016-08-02 03:35 <nebadon> its the machine im typing on here
2016-08-02 03:35 <nebadon> running Ubuntu Mate 16
2016-08-02 03:35 <Plugh> I'm still using Raspbian on my Pi's.
2016-08-02 03:35 <nebadon> i have 1 pi2 with raspbian
2016-08-02 03:35 <nebadon> 1 with ubuntu mate
2016-08-02 03:35 <Plugh> I'd still like to get my hands on one more Zero but they are hard to get.
2016-08-02 03:36 <nebadon> and one with opensuse tumbleweed
2016-08-02 03:36 <nebadon> and my B+ runs opensuse 13.1 still
2016-08-02 03:36 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-08-02 03:36 <nebadon> ubuntu mate is the best so far
2016-08-02 03:36 <nebadon> it feels way more modern than raspbian
2016-08-02 03:36 <Plugh> How is its memory footprint?
2016-08-02 03:37 <Plugh> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1991736672/iot-hat-for-raspberry-pi-a-must-have-for-pi-zero
2016-08-02 03:37 <nebadon> its great
2016-08-02 03:38 <nebadon> this machine works remarkably well
2016-08-02 03:38 <nebadon> i can even stream videos from youtube
2016-08-02 03:38 <nebadon> im basically using it as a desktop
2016-08-02 03:38 <Plugh> I'm not using the Pi 2 at the moment. The 1B with 512Mb is my development platform for working with AVR microcontrollers and programming the parts.
2016-08-02 03:39 <nebadon> yea the B+ is tight
2016-08-02 03:39 <nebadon> its good for headless
2016-08-02 03:39 <nebadon> not so great for desktop
2016-08-02 03:40 <nebadon> i really hope they come out with a 2gb version
2016-08-02 03:42 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-08-02 03:42 <Plugh> I've only been running an SSH connection in to the Pi. I don't have a working monitor on my desktop.
2016-08-02 03:42 <Plugh> on my workbench
2016-08-02 03:43 <nebadon> yea thats how my B+ is as well
2016-08-02 03:43 <nebadon> my pi2s i have on a HDMI switch
2016-08-02 03:45 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-08-02 03:46 <nebadon> I have a super old dell 1280x1024 monitor im using
2016-08-02 03:46 <nebadon> using a DVI-D to hdmi adapter
2016-08-02 03:46 <nebadon> i noticed other day my IRC is burned into the screen lol
2016-08-02 03:46 <nebadon> i switched to different pi2 that has a light grey background
2016-08-02 03:46 <nebadon> i could see the timestamps and names burned in
2016-08-02 03:46 <nebadon> haha
2016-08-02 03:47 <Plugh> hehe
2016-08-02 03:47 <Plugh> The monitor I have on my workbench has developed a fault. It blows a couple of transistors in it. I replaced them once but it blew them again while in standby mode. There is something else wrong in the unit causing the transistors to blow.
2016-08-02 03:48 <nebadon> yea i had one of those
2016-08-02 03:48 <nebadon> i forget what brand it was now
2016-08-02 03:48 <nebadon> Samsung I think
2016-08-02 03:48 <Plugh> Mine is a Viewsonic VA902b, iirc
2016-08-02 03:48 <nebadon> one of my first LCDs
2016-08-02 03:49 <Plugh> It might be fixable. If I can't find more info about what could be causing the problem or find out its not something I could fix (ie. I can't get the part), it will have to go out to be recycled.
2016-08-02 03:52 <Plugh> ttyl. I'm going to get away from this machine for a while.
2016-08-02 03:53 <nebadon> kk
2016-08-02 03:53 <Plugh> not been a good day. :P
2016-08-02 03:55 <nebadon> yea ive had a few of those myself :)
2016-08-02 06:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #4815 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-08-02 06:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4815: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4815/
2016-08-02 06:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor  cleanup
2016-08-02 06:48 <osmantis> Bug #7983:04 Asset warning: Upload failed , when osOwnerSaveAppearance is used. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7983 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-08-02 11:43 <Matova> hi. About ubODE, are there any parameter to decrease speed when av walk up in a montain(terrain). The speed using ubODE is really high
2016-08-02 12:07 <Matova> look the issue what  i mean: https://youtu.be/R17D24lithA using ubODE 
2016-08-02 14:06 <Matova> https://youtu.be/R17D24lithA using ubODE has solution to it?
2016-08-02 14:07 <Ubit> you mean super climbers?
2016-08-02 16:40 <Ubit> ??
2016-08-02 16:40 <Ubit> this wasn't a push on httptests
2016-08-02 16:40 <nebadon> heh it appears it was :P
2016-08-02 16:41 <Ubit> LD@LDBOX /c/opensim/opensim (master)
2016-08-02 16:41 <Ubit> $ git push
2016-08-02 16:41 <Ubit> ubit@opensimulator.org's password:
2016-08-02 16:41 <Ubit> well
2016-08-02 16:41 <Ubit> ive another one to do in a few
2016-08-02 16:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4816: FAILURE in 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4816/
2016-08-02 16:46 <osmantis> Bug #7983:04 Asset warning: Upload failed , when osOwnerSaveAppearance is used. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7983 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-02 17:06 <osmantis> Bug #7983:04 Asset warning: Upload failed , when osOwnerSaveAppearance is used. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7983 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-02 20:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #4817 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4815 13 hr ago)
2016-08-02 20:09 <Ubit> hmm  was failure?
2016-08-02 20:09 <nebadon> yep you dun broke it
2016-08-02 20:09 <Ubit> was git fail
2016-08-02 20:10 <Ubit> jenkins failed to get git
2016-08-02 20:11 <nebadon> its still running
2016-08-02 20:11 <nebadon> is the wierd part
2016-08-02 20:11 <nebadon> unit test failing maybe
2016-08-02 20:12 <nebadon> it looks like it compiled successfully
2016-08-02 20:12 <Ubit> last was git fetch fail
2016-08-02 20:12 <Ubit> it is doint it now and then
2016-08-02 20:14 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-08-02 20:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4817: FIXED in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4817/
2016-08-02 20:14 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  do not try to cache same asset twice with hg enabled
2016-08-02 20:14 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  stop a spamming robust debug message
2016-08-02 20:14 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: (mantis 7983) update local cache when storing a baked tex on assets server
2016-08-02 20:14 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: reduce ubOde walking super climbers
2016-08-02 20:45 <Ubit> ohh did miss several pushs
2016-08-02 20:46 <Ubit> i mean jenkis missed several pushs i did and done them now
2016-08-02 20:54 <osmantis> Bug #7957:04 Using LSL constants in a list with llList2Json returns JSON_INVALID 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7957 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2016-08-02 20:56 <osmantis> Bug #7957:04 Using LSL constants in a list with llList2Json returns JSON_INVALID 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7957 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-08-02 21:21 <osmantis> Bug #7983:04 Asset warning: Upload failed , when osOwnerSaveAppearance is used. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7983 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-02 21:25 <osmantis> Bug #7957:04 Using LSL constants in a list with llList2Json returns JSON_INVALID 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7957 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-08-02 23:51 <Nial> Hi all
2016-08-02 23:53 <Nial> I am working on some docker packages of opensim preconfigured for OSGrid and other grids, I was wondering if any work has been done in containerization of opensim, particularly along the lines of decomposing the monolith into separate services?
2016-08-03 00:25 <Melanie_T> Nial: a region will always be a monolith
2016-08-03 00:25 <Melanie_T> while it is modular in it's internal structire, being a multiplatform application means it's not really possible to chop it up
2016-08-03 00:25 <Melanie_T> there is one core requirement that has been with us from day one
2016-08-03 00:26 <Melanie_T> namely, that the most basic configuration of standalone opensim must be launchable under windows with a single doubleclick on a single .exe
2016-08-03 00:27 <Melanie_T> needless to say, I don't agree with that and would have removed monolithic (standalone) mode in favor of a coordinated startup of "grid" services even for standalones
2016-08-03 00:27 <Melanie_T> however, the powers that be at that time wanted a single executable so badly that my ideas didn't find any takers
2016-08-03 00:28 <Melanie_T> by now, the structure is ossified and a unix-ish devolution of functionality to small process-level components is now no longer possible without a work time investment no one can foot the bill for
2016-08-03 00:28 <Melanie_T> also, that would not really fly for windows users
2016-08-03 03:19 <Nial> Melanie_T: thanks for the explanation, it is a pity. I will stick to trying to split grid based services like varRegions / robust.exe into different containers, the idea of a varRegion running from one "infrastructure as code" yaml file is just too cool for me to ignore.
2016-08-03 03:22 <Nial> I am working on persistence at the moment, currently just mounting OpenSim.db into the container from a host file, it seems to work ok. I also have to expose Regions.ini in the same manner.
2016-08-03 03:33 <Nial> here are the docker images I have made so far if anyone is interested https://hub.docker.com/r/murf66/docker-osgrid/ https://hub.docker.com/r/murf66/docker-metropolis/
2016-08-03 04:14 <Nial> and here are the appropriate repos for persistently running those images: https://github.com/Murf/docker-compose-osgrid https://github.com/Murf/docker-compose-metropolis
2016-08-03 07:48 <Murf> hello
2016-08-03 08:51 <Murf> OK I am really strugling here, I want to run multiple instances of OpenSim on one server, so on the second instance I set the port to 9001 (change all occurences of 9000 in OpenSim.ini to 9001 and set port to 9001 for region) and I can not teleport to the region in OSgrid, any ideas
2016-08-03 09:11 <Ubit> all used ports need to be allowed on routers/firewalls
2016-08-03 09:25 <Murf> it is a standalone server, no firewall
2016-08-03 09:25 <Murf> hmm I think this is a Q betetr asked in #osgrid, does the tcp port HAVE to be 9000?
2016-08-03 09:27 <Ubit> did you had to setup a router to allow port 9000 extern access?
2016-08-03 09:28 <Ubit> if you did.. then you need also port 9001.. or can just set a range if router allows
2016-08-03 09:29 <Murf> no the server is directly connected to the internet.
2016-08-03 09:30 <Ubit> if each region runs on own instance then http port on opensim.ini must match region.ini port and must ne unique
2016-08-03 09:30 <Murf> no router. no nat.
2016-08-03 09:31 <Ubit> that is a strange setup.. but yr thing :)
2016-08-03 09:32 <Murf> not really that strange.... think VPS
2016-08-03 14:41 <Plugh> I'm running two regions in standalone mode. When I loggedout I get two messages saying "The avatar has left the building". Is that because it is reporting on both root and child agent?
2016-08-03 15:12 <osmantis> Bug #7984:04 llList2Json 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7984 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-03 15:16 <osmantis> Bug #7984:04 llList2Json 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7984 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-08-03 15:17 <osmantis> Bug #7957:04 Using LSL constants in a list with llList2Json returns JSON_INVALID 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7957 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-08-03 20:43 <Plugh> Friends list in 0.9 is partially broken. 
2016-08-03 20:43 <Plugh> 
ACTION looks for an existing mantis about the problem

2016-08-03 20:46 <Plugh> hm... I don't see any existing report. I'll have to file one and add it to the 0.9 regression list 
2016-08-03 21:09 <Ubit> broken how?
2016-08-03 21:10 <Matova> issue was me lol wrong address
2016-08-03 21:10 <Ubit> :)
2016-08-03 21:10 <Ubit> but i was asking about friends list
2016-08-03 21:11 <Ubit> funny how regression is used on things that where even more broken :p
2016-08-03 21:19 <Plugh> Ubit, when you log in to the grid you get your friends list and it will show who is online. If another friend on your list logs in to the grid your friends list is not updated to reflect the presence of the newly logged in friend.
2016-08-03 21:19 <Plugh> It was working in 0.8.0PF. I never tried it in 0.8.2PF
2016-08-03 21:20 <Ubit> it seems working for me
2016-08-03 21:22 <Matova> works fine to me too. I am using 0.9.0
2016-08-03 21:22 <Ubit> off course always had glitchs...  guess still around
2016-08-03 21:23 <Ubit> mainly due to the fact it is done by the regions imo
2016-08-03 21:24 <Plugh> Several people have reported this problem. If there is some setting that needs to be set a certain way I'll check it.
2016-08-03 21:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #4818 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-08-03 21:27 <osmantis> Bug #7957:04 Using LSL constants in a list with llList2Json returns JSON_INVALID 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7957 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-03 21:29 <Plugh> Three of us were in a parcel talking to each other. One person could see the other two. Two people couldn't see both of the other two standing in front of them.
2016-08-03 21:30 <Ubit> by see you mean as online?
2016-08-03 21:30 <Plugh> I mean see as in see with our eyes. All three of us were standing in the same parcel a meter or so apart.
2016-08-03 21:31 <Plugh> The friends list wasn't properly showing who was online.
2016-08-03 21:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4818: SUCCESS in 6 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4818/
2016-08-03 21:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Provide tests for native datatypes where LSL Constants are used in lists as JSON elements. Namely: LSL_Float/double, LSL_String/string, LSL_Integer/int. Fixes http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7957
2016-08-03 21:31 <Plugh> My list said one person was online and the other wasn't but I was standing talking to the person who wasn't shown as online.
2016-08-03 21:33 <Ubit> so you mean see online status.. as see the avatars..
2016-08-03 21:33 <Ubit> err
2016-08-03 21:33 <Ubit> so you mean see online status.. not as see the avatars..
2016-08-03 21:34 <nebadon> that has always been a problem
2016-08-03 21:34 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-03 21:36 <Ubit> the way regions send notifications all around guess its prone to fails
2016-08-03 21:40 <Ubit> btw one should also remember that a "friend" can disable that.. i was once fooled by that :)
2016-08-03 21:41 <Ubit> show on map should work now also ( well when it does work ;) )
2016-08-03 21:43 <Ubit> permitions to change object think was also not ok on 0.8
2016-08-03 21:44 <Ubit> so  regression .. hmm
2016-08-03 21:46 <Plugh> I was talking about the friends list
2016-08-03 21:47 <Ubit> so was i  those are friends rights on the list
2016-08-03 21:48 <Ubit> "see online" " see on map" " change my objects"  right ?
2016-08-03 21:50 <Plugh> yes. But the only thing that has changed has been the grid code. Unless the settings were not set right and the code is honouring the settings where it might not have done so before I should have still seen both people I was talking with.
2016-08-03 21:51 <Plugh> I should also mention all three avatars were grid staff so we wouldn't have set ourselves to hide from the others.
2016-08-03 21:54 <Ubit> don't know  many things on it..  from configuration settings, inter regions communitations  to actually a bug..
2016-08-03 21:59 <osmantis> Bug #7985:04 Friends online information not updated after initial login to grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7985 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-03 22:02 <osmantis> Bug #7985:04 Friends online information not updated after initial login to grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7985 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-03 22:07 <osmantis> Bug #7982:04 DataSnapShot module not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7982 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2016-08-03 22:16 <Plugh> What is going on? Twice I have added a comment to mantis #7982 and it still isn't showing my comments in the report.
2016-08-03 22:17 <Plugh> oh, well. If I can't add the correction to say I determined why I was having a problem I can at least delete my saying I was also seeing the problem.
2016-08-03 22:18 <osmantis> Bug #7982:04 DataSnapShot module not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7982 ): is now in status NEW (again)
2016-08-03 22:29 <nebadon> Plugh, there is a bug in mantis
2016-08-03 22:29 <nebadon> where if you sit on a page too long then submit it doesnt go through
2016-08-03 22:29 <nebadon> it must time out or something
2016-08-03 22:29 <nebadon> i have had that happen too
2016-08-03 22:30 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-03 22:30 <Ubit> but gives a error sometimes
2016-08-03 22:30 <nebadon> yea
2016-08-03 23:11 <Plugh> nebadon: yes. The usual error in that case is a message about an invalid security token. I didn't get that.
2016-08-03 23:15 <osmantis> Bug #7982:04 DataSnapShot module not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7982 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-03 23:15 <Plugh> Phew! The comment got posted this time.
2016-08-03 23:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #4819 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-03 23:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4819: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4819/
2016-08-03 23:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  try to speed up get by position X,Y on region info cache
2016-08-03 23:47 <Plugh> Ubit: I thought there already was code to convert handles to X,Y?
2016-08-03 23:47 <Plugh> -?
2016-08-03 23:47 <Ubit> yes there was, and ?
2016-08-03 23:47 <Plugh> Why didn't you use it?
2016-08-03 23:48 <Ubit> bc i chose not to, there
2016-08-03 23:49 <Plugh> um... ok. 
2016-08-03 23:51 <Ubit> minor thing actually possible i could..  on some places
2016-08-03 23:52 <Ubit> but to save  2lines of code spending a call ?
2016-08-03 23:52 <Ubit> on something we can't change...
2016-08-03 23:52 <Ubit> should i ?
2016-08-03 23:53 <Ken_Savage> Ubit, you are a better judge of that than any of us :)
2016-08-03 23:54 <Plugh> Now and then I ask about things that seem odd to me as I don't know the code base that well. I figure asking will help me get to know things a little better.
2016-08-03 23:55 <Ubit> ok
2016-08-03 23:56 <Ubit> hell why we have coords as int and uint all around .. :(
2016-08-03 23:56 <Ubit> this damm things should be uint
2016-08-03 23:56 <Plugh> Ubit, I'm not sure what you meant about saving 2 lines of code spending a call. I just noticed the new class. I'm not going to worry about it as you've been working on the code a lot more than I have.
2016-08-03 23:57 <Ubit> the class is another thing plugh
2016-08-03 23:57 <Plugh> hehe... that would be one of the many things that could be cleaned up if someone wanted to go down that particular rabbit hole.
2016-08-03 23:57 <Ubit> we could use a similar one else where
2016-08-03 23:57 <Plugh> The class is what I was asking about. It looks like some other code I've seen in Utils.
2016-08-03 23:57 <Ubit> but it is there so i can do :
2016-08-03 23:58 <Ubit> fh.y += 256;
2016-08-03 23:58 <Ubit> see ?
2016-08-03 23:58 <Plugh> ok
2016-08-03 23:59 <Plugh> IIRC, the routines in Utils were just some conversion routines rather than a handle specific class.
2016-08-04 00:00 <Ubit> yes but they are used on region handles
2016-08-04 00:01 <Plugh> ok. I thought that is what was happening here as I saw the reference to RegionHandle in the name fastRegionHandle.
2016-08-04 00:01 <Ubit> i called it fast because of endianess
2016-08-04 00:03 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-08-04 00:03 <Ubit> it is not  a safe thing to do 
2016-08-04 00:03 <Plugh> endianess is another one of those messy things best avoided when possible. 
2016-08-04 00:03 <Ubit> have in coments another version.. but yeackk 
2016-08-04 00:03 <Ubit> guess ill just delete :)
2016-08-04 00:06 <Ubit> your coment about not using utils applies to;
2016-08-04 00:06 <Ubit>            ulong handle = (ulong)x & HANDLECOORDMASH;
2016-08-04 00:06 <Ubit>             handle <<= 32;
2016-08-04 00:06 <Ubit>             handle |= ((ulong)y & HANDLECOORDMASH);
2016-08-04 00:07 <Plugh> right
2016-08-04 00:07 <Ubit> that could be a call.. but.. why ? :)
2016-08-04 00:07 <Plugh> Been a while since I looked at the Utils code.
2016-08-04 00:08 <Plugh> It's already been unit tested?  ;)
2016-08-04 00:08 <Ubit> actually i did change those conversions a few days ago
2016-08-04 00:08 <Ubit> and still lots all over
2016-08-04 00:08 <Ubit> also not calling utils
2016-08-04 00:08 <Plugh> ok.
2016-08-04 00:08 <Ubit> ( some with funny code ;) )
2016-08-04 00:10 <Plugh> I'll let you get back to things. I'm going to see if its cool enough to go for a walk. The temperature has dropped a degree. Its only 28C now. :P
2016-08-04 00:11 <Ubit> err HANDLEMASH ?? lol
2016-08-04 00:11 <Plugh> I made a local branch of code as I was getting ready to have a go at updating the method used to send email.
2016-08-04 00:12 <Ubit> one mistake c&p everywhere :)
2016-08-04 00:12 <Plugh> :)
2016-08-04 00:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #4820 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-04 00:16 <Plugh> bbl
2016-08-04 00:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4820: SUCCESS in 5 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4820/
2016-08-04 00:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: no need to place normal size regions on the inner lookup table (HANDLEMASH ? its MASK)
2016-08-04 00:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #4821 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-04 00:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4821: SUCCESS in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4821/
2016-08-04 00:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: well then also no need to remove them :)
2016-08-04 00:30 <Ubit> xii 73 cached handles just using map to tp to lbsa
2016-08-04 00:49 <nebadon> updated raspberry pi region, cpu is now hovering around 70%
2016-08-04 00:49 <nebadon> slight improvement
2016-08-04 00:49 <nebadon> it was around 80% before
2016-08-04 00:49 <nebadon> 10% is pretty big on such a low power cpu
2016-08-04 00:51 <Plugh> hehe... that just got me thinking of the Limbo song. "Limbo lower now. How low can you go." except in this case it is "CPU usage lower now."  :)
2016-08-04 00:51 <nebadon> :)
2016-08-04 00:51 <nebadon> inching closer to the 0.8.2 performance levels
2016-08-04 00:51 <nebadon> somewhere around 50-60% sitting idle
2016-08-04 00:51 <Plugh> Nice.
2016-08-04 00:52 <nebadon> driving in the rover is still quite terrible though
2016-08-04 00:52 <nebadon> it was a lot better before
2016-08-04 00:52 <nebadon> its super jerky 
2016-08-04 00:54 <nebadon> probably because CPU is at 140% with avatar just standing still
2016-08-04 00:55 <Plugh> Going to master has fixed some issues in code. I was having an odd problem with a piece of train track. A listener wasn't hearing anything but a shout from a device less than 10m away.
2016-08-04 00:55 <Plugh> Now I'm able to use a whisper.
2016-08-04 00:55 <nebadon> nice
2016-08-04 00:56 <nebadon> im trying something radical on my pi
2016-08-04 00:56 <nebadon> going to launch with mono --server
2016-08-04 00:56 <nebadon> see how it handles more agressive threading
2016-08-04 00:56 <Ubit> map is so crazy :(
2016-08-04 00:56 <Plugh> I think running OS on the Pi is rather radical.
2016-08-04 00:56 <nebadon> now way to throttle it down Ubit?
2016-08-04 00:57 <Ubit> its async now
2016-08-04 00:57 <Ubit> and viewers do want a timed answer
2016-08-04 00:57 <Plugh> I've been wondering about the map. If that is the cause of all those "did not find" messages in Robust the other day something needs to be done to make it smarter.
2016-08-04 00:58 <nebadon> needs a proxy
2016-08-04 00:58 <Ubit> think there is a issue looking for hg regions
2016-08-04 00:58 <nebadon> i doubt in SL they have it going through the simulator
2016-08-04 00:58 <Plugh> oh, speaking of the map, I thought someone added a command to clean up out-of-date map tiles. I couldn't find a command to do that in either Robut or the instances.
2016-08-04 00:58 <nebadon> nope
2016-08-04 00:58 <Plugh> Robut?  :)  Robust.
2016-08-04 00:59 <nebadon> not that I am aware of anyway
2016-08-04 00:59 <Ubit> i remember trying to work it out but no full fix
2016-08-04 00:59 <nebadon> on OSGrid we use a crontask
2016-08-04 00:59 <nebadon> to clean tiles older than 30 days
2016-08-04 00:59 <nebadon> its not a perfect solution
2016-08-04 00:59 <nebadon> i remember in SL maptiles taking weeks and months to update
2016-08-04 00:59 <Plugh> nebadon: I tried deleting all map tiles and the map still showed old tiles. Melanie was quick to jump on that idea and say that is the wrong way to do it. That is when I thought there was mention of a new command.
2016-08-04 01:00 <nebadon> maybe its improved since then
2016-08-04 01:00 <Plugh> I've got maptiles that are months old which are for regions no longer there.
2016-08-04 01:01 <nebadon> well if you delete the whole folder of tiles
2016-08-04 01:01 <Plugh> I'd go with a crontask if it can help.
2016-08-04 01:01 <nebadon> you have to restart the whole grid
2016-08-04 01:01 <nebadon> using the crontask cleaning method requires you restart the regions
2016-08-04 01:01 <nebadon> relatively soon after it happens
2016-08-04 01:01 <nebadon> we figure on OSgrid people are likely restarting regularly anyway
2016-08-04 01:02 <nebadon> if you have control of the whole grid its much easier
2016-08-04 01:02 <nebadon> OSgrid its nearly impossible for us to keep it "clean"
2016-08-04 01:02 <Plugh> There are regularly scheduled restarts in the grid I'm working on so that wouldn't be a problem.
2016-08-04 01:02 <Ubit> maps already have avn throotling etc.. 
2016-08-04 01:02 <Ubit> its just a crazy thing :)
2016-08-04 01:03 <Plugh> The only other way i thought of for getting rid of old map tiles is load up an empty region that is water only in the place where the dead tile is located then shut down the temporary region.
2016-08-04 01:04 <Ubit> map tiles are a bit twisted thing
2016-08-04 01:04 <nebadon> defiitely seeing minor improvement with --server option on the pi
2016-08-04 01:04 <nebadon> cpu is at 108% now with standing avatar
2016-08-04 01:04 <nebadon> and vehicle feels slightly less choppy
2016-08-04 01:04 <Plugh> that's a big drop from 140
2016-08-04 01:05 <nebadon> yea
2016-08-04 01:05 <nebadon> actually its at 102% now
2016-08-04 01:08 <Ubit> what a flood of requestMapBlocks around lbsa :)
2016-08-04 01:09 <Plugh> Hm... those two new OSSL heal rate routines Ubit added recently need to be added to the wiki
2016-08-04 01:11 <Plugh> The "Did not find" messages made it seem like something was going around checking all the possible neighbours of all regions instead of using the list of known regions and their coordinates to see what map tiles (if it was for the map) were to be generated.
2016-08-04 01:13 <Plugh> oh, re: OSSL functions, if osTeleportOwner has a threat level of None why is its use restricted by default in osslEnable.ini?
2016-08-04 01:24 <Ubit> err those teleports text is wrong on the wiki
2016-08-04 01:31 <Ubit> damm
2016-08-04 01:31 <Ubit> fs bug it seems
2016-08-04 01:31 <Ubit> on some zoom levels it does not stop asking for the same map blocks
2016-08-04 01:40 <Ubit> neb you can look to lbsa console, or any region console?
2016-08-04 01:41 <nebadon> sure
2016-08-04 01:41 <Ubit> what region?
2016-08-04 01:42 <nebadon> lbsa
2016-08-04 01:42 <Ubit> ok
2016-08-04 01:42 <nebadon> what am i looking for?
2016-08-04 01:42 <Ubit> RequestMapBlocks
2016-08-04 01:42 <Ubit> looking?
2016-08-04 01:43 <Ubit> there should be a pack of them now
2016-08-04 01:43 <nebadon> possible it has reduce log level
2016-08-04 01:43 <nebadon> can you do it again
2016-08-04 01:43 <nebadon> i set log level to debug
2016-08-04 01:44 <Ubit> think its out of level control
2016-08-04 01:44 <Ubit> sent by m_log.DebugFormat("[WoldMapModule] RequestMapBlocks {0}={1}={2}={3} {4}", minX, minY, maxX, maxY, flag);
2016-08-04 01:44 <nebadon> only thing map related im seeing is connection failures
2016-08-04 01:44 <nebadon> to i assume down regions
2016-08-04 01:44 <nebadon> and blacklistings
2016-08-04 01:45 <Ubit> hmm is it possible dan comment that out?
2016-08-04 01:45 <nebadon> in the source?
2016-08-04 01:45 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-04 01:45 <nebadon> no
2016-08-04 01:45 <Ubit> ( it is spam )
2016-08-04 01:45 <nebadon> we just pull directly from git and compile
2016-08-04 01:45 <Ubit> hm let me relog
2016-08-04 01:46 <Ubit> there should a few now
2016-08-04 01:47 <Ubit> nothing ?
2016-08-04 01:48 <nebadon> no
2016-08-04 01:48 <Ubit> odd
2016-08-04 01:48 <nebadon> https://gist.github.com/nebadon2025/bf8a02a436222931341e7884c9baba0f
2016-08-04 01:48 <nebadon> just stuff like this
2016-08-04 01:48 <nebadon> try at Sisyphus
2016-08-04 01:48 <Ubit> ok
2016-08-04 01:48 <nebadon> I know full logging is enabled there
2016-08-04 01:48 <nebadon> however not lots of neighbors
2016-08-04 01:49 <Ubit> none there also ?
2016-08-04 01:49 <nebadon> no
2016-08-04 01:49 <nebadon> there are some wierd POLL SERVICE WORKER THREAD messages though
2016-08-04 01:50 <nebadon> quite a few
2016-08-04 01:50 <nebadon> the only map related item i see is [WorldMapModule] RequestMapBlocks
2016-08-04 01:50 <nebadon> 1 single line
2016-08-04 01:50 <Ubit> just one?
2016-08-04 01:50 <nebadon> then a shit load of those POLL SERVICE WORKER THREADS
2016-08-04 01:51 <nebadon> right after the worldmapmodule line
2016-08-04 01:51 <nebadon> ooh
2016-08-04 01:51 <nebadon> no
2016-08-04 01:51 <nebadon> now im seeing tons
2016-08-04 01:51 <nebadon> 1 sec
2016-08-04 01:51 <nebadon> let me paste the entire log for you
2016-08-04 01:51 <Ubit> NO NO PLEASE
2016-08-04 01:51 <Ubit> lol
2016-08-04 01:51 <nebadon> ok
2016-08-04 01:51 <Ubit> ok they stopped?
2016-08-04 01:51 <nebadon> yes
2016-08-04 01:52 <Ubit> ok changing zoom
2016-08-04 01:52 <Ubit> more ?
2016-08-04 01:52 <nebadon> no
2016-08-04 01:52 <nebadon> oh shit
2016-08-04 01:52 <nebadon> there it goes
2016-08-04 01:52 <nebadon> its a good minute delay
2016-08-04 01:52 <Ubit> ok stops ?
2016-08-04 01:52 <nebadon> then massive spew
2016-08-04 01:52 <nebadon> yaa
2016-08-04 01:52 <nebadon> few 100 
2016-08-04 01:52 <nebadon> atleast
2016-08-04 01:52 <Ubit> and stopped?
2016-08-04 01:52 <nebadon> yes
2016-08-04 01:52 <nebadon> now its doing blacklisting
2016-08-04 01:53 <Ubit> ok more now�
2016-08-04 01:53 <nebadon> probaby like 20 blacklist
2016-08-04 01:53 <nebadon> then one more worldmapmodule
2016-08-04 01:53 <Ubit> yeap thats connection tests.. ok
2016-08-04 01:53 <Ubit> thing is MapRequests they should stop
2016-08-04 01:53 <nebadon> yes they do
2016-08-04 01:53 <nebadon> its a huge spurt then stop
2016-08-04 01:54 <Ubit> there is a zoom level where they seem not to stop
2016-08-04 01:54 <nebadon> just got 6 more blacklists
2016-08-04 01:54 <Ubit> ( clever me forgot the level lol )
2016-08-04 01:54 <nebadon> just got a small burst again
2016-08-04 01:54 <nebadon> of 6
2016-08-04 01:54 <nebadon> then 2 blacklist
2016-08-04 01:54 <Ubit> none ?
2016-08-04 01:54 <nebadon> not at the moment
2016-08-04 01:55 <nebadon> oh damn
2016-08-04 01:55 <nebadon> jackpot
2016-08-04 01:55 <Ubit> changed to lbsa area
2016-08-04 01:55 <nebadon> its paying out
2016-08-04 01:55 <nebadon> lol
2016-08-04 01:55 <Ubit> stoped?
2016-08-04 01:55 <nebadon> no
2016-08-04 01:55 <nebadon> 1000s
2016-08-04 01:55 <nebadon> tripple cherry
2016-08-04 01:55 <nebadon> haha
2016-08-04 01:55 <Ubit> seen 15k in queue :)
2016-08-04 01:56 <nebadon> still goooing
2016-08-04 01:56 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-04 01:56 <Ubit> seems its fs repeating all over
2016-08-04 01:56 <nebadon> ouch
2016-08-04 01:56 <nebadon> no way we can throttle that?
2016-08-04 01:56 <Ubit> should stop now
2016-08-04 01:56 <nebadon> it stpped
2016-08-04 01:56 <nebadon> yea
2016-08-04 01:56 <Ubit> i closed the map :)
2016-08-04 01:57 <Ubit> hmm it is throotle
2016-08-04 01:57 <Ubit> just we can't compare ranges 
2016-08-04 01:57 <nebadon> anyway to ignre repeated request?
2016-08-04 01:57 <Ubit> just enqueue the requests and do them a controled rate
2016-08-04 01:57 <nebadon> ya its amazing how fast it goes
2016-08-04 01:58 <Ubit> 50ms sleeps i think
2016-08-04 01:58 <nebadon> 30/sec requests
2016-08-04 01:58 <Ubit> if we delay 2 much..  viewer may repeat
2016-08-04 01:58 <Ubit> so ok  going to file fs jira :)
2016-08-04 01:58 <nebadon> ok ya good idea
2016-08-04 01:58 <Ubit> singu does not do this
2016-08-04 01:59 <Ubit> and fs also does it at sl
2016-08-04 01:59 <Ubit> what a flood lol
2016-08-04 01:59 <Plugh> In general, how much is the difference in sit position height between legacy calculation and the new calculation.
2016-08-04 01:59 <nebadon> does it happen in SL too?
2016-08-04 01:59 <Ubit> i was going to comment that message, can't now
2016-08-04 01:59 <nebadon> oh it does
2016-08-04 01:59 <Ubit> yeap seem with winproxy
2016-08-04 01:59 <nebadon> ya thats not good
2016-08-04 01:59 <nebadon> SL it probably hits a proxy
2016-08-04 02:00 <nebadon> like squid or something
2016-08-04 02:00 <nebadon> and they handle it at the proxy level
2016-08-04 02:00 <Ubit> wint winproxy ( from libomv) we don't get mesh or textures anymore at sl :)
2016-08-04 02:00 <Ubit> but still good on other debug 
2016-08-04 02:01 <Ubit> well it crashed with this spam lol
2016-08-04 02:01 <nebadon> gridproxy did?
2016-08-04 02:01 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-04 02:01 <nebadon> haha
2016-08-04 02:01 <Ubit> the win version one
2016-08-04 02:03 <nebadon> well hopefully they can fix that up quick
2016-08-04 02:03 <nebadon> though no clue when a new version of firestorm will hit 
2016-08-04 02:07 <Ubit> ok FIRE-19778 :)
2016-08-04 02:07 <nebadon> cool
2016-08-04 02:07 <Ubit> now.. what was doing? lol
2016-08-04 02:07 <nebadon> haha
2016-08-04 02:07 <Ubit> was i..
2016-08-04 02:09 <Ubit> well can't remove that msg for now.. petty even in normal cases is a big spam
2016-08-04 02:10 <nebadon> make it debug only?
2016-08-04 02:10 <nebadon> though it must be
2016-08-04 02:10 <nebadon> cause i wasnt seeing it on lbsa
2016-08-04 02:10 <Ubit> not sure if debugLevel is even visible thre
2016-08-04 02:10 <nebadon> well i never even saw it once on LBSA
2016-08-04 02:10 <nebadon> so it must be
2016-08-04 02:11 <nebadon> pretty sure its log level INFO there
2016-08-04 02:11 <Ubit> possible i only had the map at lbsa
2016-08-04 02:11 <Ken_Savage> Ubit, there is still nothing in the datasnapshot folder on the test grid :(
2016-08-04 02:11 <Ubit> ok thx ken
2016-08-04 02:12 <Ken_Savage> I'm wondering if the stuff in that folder on the osgrid sims was old
2016-08-04 02:12 <Ken_Savage> I'll check...
2016-08-04 02:12 <Ubit> nopes it works at osg
2016-08-04 02:13 <Ken_Savage> Its all dated today
2016-08-04 02:13 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-04 02:13 <Ubit> guess diference is on search
2016-08-04 02:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #4822 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-04 02:19 <Ken_Savage> Only difference in the ini's related to datasnapshot in osg and test grid is search and,
2016-08-04 02:20 <Ken_Savage> on test grid the "default_snapshot_period = 1200" is commented out
2016-08-04 02:20 <Ken_Savage> So not sure what the default is on this when it is commented out
2016-08-04 02:20 <Ubit> err
2016-08-04 02:21 <Ubit> index_sims = true must be uncomented
2016-08-04 02:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4822: SUCCESS in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4822/
2016-08-04 02:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let get by handle also search on inner lookup table
2016-08-04 02:21 <Plugh> Hm... I can't logged in to wright plaza in osgrid
2016-08-04 02:22 <Plugh> stuck on waiting for region handshake.
2016-08-04 02:22 <Ubit> well the files on the datasnap are exactly as 0.8.2
2016-08-04 02:22 <Ubit> no changes on the merge
2016-08-04 02:22 <nebadon> let me try Plugh
2016-08-04 02:23 <Plugh> I just killed firestorm and am trying again with Sing
2016-08-04 02:23 <Plugh> looks like it has gotten hung up.
2016-08-04 02:23 <nebadon> Im using sing
2016-08-04 02:23 <nebadon> i got right in
2016-08-04 02:23 <nebadon> nice and snappy load too
2016-08-04 02:24 <nebadon> I dont know what changed recently
2016-08-04 02:24 <nebadon> but man textures load 1000 times faster at Wright plaza now
2016-08-04 02:24 <nebadon> good stuff
2016-08-04 02:24 <Plugh> Gets stuck here.
2016-08-04 02:24 <nebadon> for a while it was taking ages for textures to load there
2016-08-04 02:24 <nebadon> wierd I got right in myself
2016-08-04 02:25 <Plugh> I got in to Lbsa Plaza right away
2016-08-04 02:25 <nebadon> hmm teleport?
2016-08-04 02:25 <Ubit> Plugh what do you have on the option index_sims ?
2016-08-04 02:27 <Ubit> also do you see [DATASNAPSHOT]: Module added to Scene  on the log?
2016-08-04 02:28 <Plugh> nebadon, I got back to WP after logging in to LP
2016-08-04 02:29 <Plugh> Ubit: ? I'm not the one with a problem with DataSnapshot module.
2016-08-04 02:29 <Ubit> ops
2016-08-04 02:29 <nebadon> thats good, strange but good
2016-08-04 02:30 <Plugh> I thought i had a problem but it was because my IP addy had changed when I upgraded the cable modem to upgrade the speed of my net connection.
2016-08-04 02:30 <Ubit> ohh ok that was my confusion then
2016-08-04 02:30 <Plugh> My wifi router changed from a .0 to .1 in the third part of the dotted quad.
2016-08-04 02:30 <Ubit> so it works for you on another gird?
2016-08-04 02:30 <Ubit> grid..
2016-08-04 02:30 <Plugh> yup, all is ok with the module as far as I know.
2016-08-04 02:31 <Plugh> Yup. I'm using it in local standalone and in a remote grid.
2016-08-04 02:31 <Ubit> cool.. bc as i said it is exactly as in 0.8.2
2016-08-04 02:31 <Plugh> I don't think the code saves files to a directory any more so that isn't the way for the person reporting the problem to test if the module is working or not.
2016-08-04 02:32 <Ubit> i seen the files when i tested it  reading yr problems
2016-08-04 02:32 <Plugh> ubit, yea. I was just dealing with the changes in my wifi routers addy change in the couple days after I got the new cable modem.
2016-08-04 02:32 <Ubit> os yr problem is online 
2016-08-04 02:33 <Ubit> so your "problem" is online notification
2016-08-04 02:33 <Plugh> I had to update all the IP addys in my /etc/hosts file :)
2016-08-04 02:33 <Ubit> :)
2016-08-04 02:34 <Ubit> are we friends at osg?
2016-08-04 02:35 <Plugh> Um... not sure but that can be sorted easily. :)
2016-08-04 02:35 <Plugh> yea, the only known issue a lot of grid users have noticed now is the problem with the updating of the online indication in the friends list.
2016-08-04 02:36 <Ubit> outch
2016-08-04 02:36 <Ubit> logged at wright with empty cache :)
2016-08-04 02:36 <Plugh> :)
2016-08-04 02:36 <Plugh> Let me see if I can log back in to wp
2016-08-04 02:36 <Ubit> try so we can test online a bit
2016-08-04 02:37 <Plugh> I'm trying. I'm stuck getting in to WP again.
2016-08-04 02:37 <Ubit> missed a IP ? :)
2016-08-04 02:38 <Ubit> im there looks ok
2016-08-04 02:40 <Plugh> I'm not sure what's up tonight. Its really locked up Sing hard.
2016-08-04 02:40 <Plugh> I'm having trouble killing it.
2016-08-04 02:44 <Plugh> Killed it. I've just logged out of another region I was in. Let me see if I have better luck with the viewer now.
2016-08-04 02:45 <Plugh> Wp reports an error about an asset problem when I log in
2016-08-04 02:46 <Plugh> I'm in osgrid now, Ubit
2016-08-04 02:46 <Plugh> I don't see you in my friends lit
2016-08-04 02:46 <Plugh> s/lit/list/
2016-08-04 02:46 <Ubit> shame on you :p
2016-08-04 02:47 <Plugh> hehe
2016-08-04 02:47 <Plugh> ok. I see you online
2016-08-04 02:47 <Plugh> Do you see me online?
2016-08-04 02:48 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-04 02:48 <Plugh> ok. Let me log out and back in
2016-08-04 02:48 <Ubit> and now ?
2016-08-04 02:48 <Plugh> oh. you just logged off
2016-08-04 02:49 <Plugh> Shows you offline
2016-08-04 02:49 <Ubit> and now ?
2016-08-04 02:50 <Plugh> You are still offline
2016-08-04 02:50 <Ubit> i do see u online
2016-08-04 02:50 <Plugh> Right. This is the bug. You got the update to friends list when you logged in. I was already logged in and didn't get any updates to my friends list when you logged in.
2016-08-04 02:51 <Plugh> It used to work fine in 0.8.0PF
2016-08-04 02:51 <Plugh> You stay online and I'll relog and see if you see the same thing at your end.
2016-08-04 02:51 <Plugh> Just in case it is viewer related.
2016-08-04 02:51 <Ubit> ok
2016-08-04 02:51 <Plugh> Ok, I logged out
2016-08-04 02:51 <Ubit> you of line
2016-08-04 02:52 <Plugh> and now?
2016-08-04 02:52 <Ubit> hmm still
2016-08-04 02:52 <Plugh> I'm standing at the meeting locating in osgrid.
2016-08-04 02:52 <Plugh> s/locating/location/
2016-08-04 02:53 <Plugh> nebadon, the error I get when I log in to WP is unable to rez: missing data in asset and a UUID
2016-08-04 02:54 <nebadon> i do see a message on console that says it could not retrieve item for attachment point 17
2016-08-04 02:54 <nebadon> for you
2016-08-04 02:54 <Plugh> nebadon: ok
2016-08-04 02:54 <Plugh> I'm right by you Ubit
2016-08-04 02:57 <Ubit> really ?
2016-08-04 02:57 <Ubit> :p
2016-08-04 03:00 <Ubit> where is lib omv git now?
2016-08-04 03:01 <nebadon> github
2016-08-04 03:01 <nebadon> https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse
2016-08-04 03:03 <nebadon> diva and melanie should have admin rights I think
2016-08-04 03:03 <Ubit> ok thx
2016-08-04 03:03 <nebadon> misterblue too I think
2016-08-04 03:03 <nebadon> he should have commit abilities anyway
2016-08-04 03:04 <Plugh> Ubit has now seen the issue for himself with the updating, or lack thereof, of the Friends list re: who is online.
2016-08-04 03:05 <nebadon> k im pretty sure that bug has existed for a long long time
2016-08-04 03:05 <nebadon> perhaps its worse now though
2016-08-04 03:05 <nebadon> on OSgrid that has been a problem for ages
2016-08-04 03:05 <Plugh> I never saw a problem with it in 0.8.0
2016-08-04 03:06 <nebadon> im certain on OSgrid it goes much further back than that
2016-08-04 03:06 <nebadon> OSgrid of course it sort of makes sense
2016-08-04 03:06 <nebadon> that it will never work 100% correctly
2016-08-04 03:06 <nebadon> such a patchwork of versions of simulators
2016-08-04 03:06 <Plugh> yeah
2016-08-04 03:07 <Plugh> I mostly deal with closed grids
2016-08-04 03:07 <nebadon> it one point dahlia had a region that hadnt restarted in like 500 days
2016-08-04 03:07 <nebadon> lol
2016-08-04 03:07 <Plugh> nice
2016-08-04 03:07 <Ubit> ops
2016-08-04 03:07 <Plugh> It was still working?
2016-08-04 03:07 <nebadon> yea
2016-08-04 03:07 <Ubit> sorry plugh
2016-08-04 03:07 <Ubit> i was in chat wiht a fs dev
2016-08-04 03:07 <Plugh> np, Ubit. I was partly distracted with some other things.
2016-08-04 03:08 <Ubit> ok
2016-08-04 03:08 <Ubit> i was just going to show culling :)
2016-08-04 03:08 <Plugh> ok. Perhaps another time. I wasn't sure where to make the change you were talking about.
2016-08-04 03:09 <Plugh> I should get back to work on the code for an RL project. I almost have the serial receive routine working. My next step is to adjust some timing by about 35uS.
2016-08-04 03:09 <Plugh> oh, so much for that idea. My cat wants to play fetch. :P
2016-08-04 03:09 <Plugh> ok, I better go play with the cat. My coding will have to wait for another day.
2016-08-04 03:09 <Plugh> ttyl
2016-08-04 04:03 <Ken_Savage> Is Bade Plaza in osg no longer there?
2016-08-04 04:09 <nebadon> it is not running at the moment
2016-08-04 04:10 <nebadon> we still have it, its just not currently running
2016-08-04 04:10 <nebadon> server space is tight with OSG9B running
2016-08-04 04:10 <nebadon> I will talk to danbanner maybe we can move it to the server in my basement
2016-08-04 04:10 <Ken_Savage> OK, np, just wondering
2016-08-04 04:11 <nebadon> that runs Cutelala Park
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2016-08-04 07:48 <Aramis^> do I want Python 2 release (2.7.12) or Python 3 release (3.5.2), or both and what's the difference? win7 x86_64
2016-08-04 07:55 <osmantis> Bug #7985:04 Friends online information not updated after initial login to grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7985 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2016-08-04 12:15 <Matova> does any know why meshing = ubODEMeshmerizer dont work fine to ubODE? isn't possible join in a house for example.
2016-08-04 12:48 <Ubit> ubODEMeshmerizer does work with ubOde
2016-08-04 12:48 <Ubit> what you mean join a house ?
2016-08-04 12:48 <Ubit> is the house a mesh? was it uploaded correctly ?
2016-08-04 12:50 <Melanie_T> Ubit: the only ting i remember being an issue with ubit meshing was the fact that you didn't use to generate "insides"
2016-08-04 12:51 <Melanie_T> maybe someone is using an older version and means that
2016-08-04 12:51 <Melanie_T> i didn't see the question because i just got back online
2016-08-04 12:51 <Matova> dont know, using  meshing = Meshmerizer i can join in a mesh house
2016-08-04 12:52 <Ubit> generate insides whould help on rare cases ppl creates single side objects,  but whould be nasty or normal closed meshs i guess
2016-08-04 12:52 <Ubit> thing normal meshmerizer also does not do that for physics
2016-08-04 12:53 <Melanie_T> normal ode collides them that way
2016-08-04 12:53 <Ubit> that way how?
2016-08-04 12:54 <Matova> normal ode no have a good jump, ubODE the best to jump
2016-08-04 12:54 <Ubit> mel i dont see that
2016-08-04 12:55 <Ubit> normal meshmerier also unpacks the mesh and sends it to physics withou much processing
2016-08-04 12:56 <Ubit> "insides" may be on sculpts generation code? 
2016-08-04 12:56 <Melanie_T> i'm not sure
2016-08-04 12:56 <Melanie_T> i'm merely playing back what i heard in the past
2016-08-04 12:56 <Melanie_T> remeber, i don't do physica
2016-08-04 12:56 <Melanie_T> you do
2016-08-04 12:56 <Ubit> well in most cases having insides will not be nice i think
2016-08-04 12:57 <Ubit> Motaka that is a issue with that mesh
2016-08-04 12:58 <vegaslon> bulletsim treats every mesh as if it had two sides to it
2016-08-04 12:58 <Ubit> hmm there a mantis with that somewhere :)
2016-08-04 12:58 <Ubit> yes vegaslon
2016-08-04 12:58 <Ubit> but ode does not
2016-08-04 12:58 <vegaslon> nope it only treats mesh as one sided
2016-08-04 12:58 <Ubit> that is only a issue on some buildings ive seen
2016-08-04 12:59 <vegaslon> using same mesher two diffrent results so mesher has nothing to do with if a mesh is two sided or one
2016-08-04 12:59 <Ubit> where builder only sends one surface on walls
2016-08-04 12:59 <Ubit> and it is a open mesh.. ie you can got inside it
2016-08-04 13:00 <Ubit> so once inside ode will not do collisions..
2016-08-04 13:00 <Ubit> i did add some code to make double side on that case for capsules
2016-08-04 13:00 <vegaslon> one of the tricks people use to make buildings is to just have the physics shape be a bunch of planes. That trick would not work in ODE but works fine in Bullet
2016-08-04 13:01 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-04 13:01 <Ubit> well in same cases for avatars it may work
2016-08-04 13:01 <Ubit> i mean my hack..
2016-08-04 13:02 <vegaslon> if ODE was to go two sided though the ground could become problematic as is the case with bulletsim since the ground suddenly is two sided
2016-08-04 13:02 <Ubit> on some corners you may get a little stuck.. still :)
2016-08-04 13:03 <Ubit> on most closed surfaces, double side whould make collisions worse
2016-08-04 13:03 <Ubit> but so far i only seen a house with that issue
2016-08-04 13:04 <Ubit> well also seen a video putting only a single triangle on physics..
2016-08-04 13:05 <vegaslon> ya one of the tricks to lower a models cost in secondlife
2016-08-04 13:12 <osmantis> Bug #7976:04 [PHYSICS ENGINE] Very imprecise surface detection with ubODE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7976 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-04 13:13 <Matova> i am testing normal ODE. works fine about mesh but when the avatar run and jump, but:  - Not have a continuous speed(when run/jump). -  Leap height not is same(run/jump). Sometimes works sometimes no
2016-08-04 13:13 <Ubit> in looking for the mantis issue where that is explained Matova :p
2016-08-04 13:13 <Matova> let me see
2016-08-04 13:14 <Matova> ok i will import a mesh like it to test and will feedback 
2016-08-04 13:14 <Ubit> select Physics
2016-08-04 13:15 <Ubit> on the upload
2016-08-04 13:16 <Ubit> ohh so much mails on the mlist i missed 
2016-08-04 13:19 <Ubit> so well telling about it all over again ( in pvt) :)
2016-08-04 13:19 <osmantis> Bug #7976:04 [PHYSICS ENGINE] Very imprecise surface detection with ubODE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7976 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-08-04 13:20 <djphil_> Hummm
2016-08-04 13:20 <Ubit> Humm what ?
2016-08-04 13:20 <Ubit> :)
2016-08-04 13:21 <djphil_> Mmmm
2016-08-04 13:21 <djphil_> i think you detect me :p
2016-08-04 13:23 <Ubit> you have a hight detail physics mesh :p
2016-08-04 13:24 <djphil_> i'm trying different combinaisons
2016-08-04 13:25 <Ubit> why bugs reports on the mail list? :(
2016-08-04 14:03 <Ubit> ohh a guinea pig on my crash region :)
2016-08-04 14:03 <vegaslon> lol
2016-08-04 14:04 <vegaslon> was going to see if applying a impulse to a vehicle worked on that region but then I realized, you might be using it for something
2016-08-04 14:05 <Ubit> not at the moment
2016-08-04 14:05 <Ubit> test
2016-08-04 14:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #4823 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-04 14:08 <Ubit> yeak  its mantis 7881 not 7781  grrr
2016-08-04 14:12 <vegaslon> nope not working on that Ubode region as well.
2016-08-04 14:12 <Ubit> hmm what ?
2016-08-04 14:12 <Ubit> llpush on a vehicle?
2016-08-04 14:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4823: SUCCESS in 5 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4823/
2016-08-04 14:12 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: update libode for mac osX. Thanks Gavin Hird (mantis 7781)
2016-08-04 14:12 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: update libode for mac osX. Thanks Gavin Hird (mantis 7781)
2016-08-04 14:12 <vegaslon> llimpulse up on a vehicle
2016-08-04 14:13 <Ubit> yeah guess its not supposed 2
2016-08-04 14:13 <Ubit> works at sl ?
2016-08-04 14:13 <vegaslon> works in sl and bulletsim
2016-08-04 14:13 <Ubit> ok i will check it
2016-08-04 14:15 <Ubit> linear impulse?
2016-08-04 14:17 <Ubit> ok i may left forces out of vehicles
2016-08-04 14:17 <Ubit> hmm wonder why...
2016-08-04 14:20 <vegaslon> yep just something like llApplyImpulse(<0,0,llGetMass()*12>,FALSE);
2016-08-04 14:21 <Ubit> yeap i left those out of vehilcles
2016-08-04 14:21 <Ubit> trying to remember why :)
2016-08-04 14:22 <osmantis> Bug #7985:04 Friends online information not updated after initial login to grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7985 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2016-08-04 14:22 <vegaslon> yep this stuff also works in ODE
2016-08-04 14:25 <Ubit> ok i will see it :)
2016-08-04 14:25 <Ubit> rl calls now
2016-08-04 14:25 <Ubit> hmm well this is rl also .. whatever
2016-08-04 15:12 <Ubit> vegaslon  testing change on impulse
2016-08-04 15:19 <Plugh> I just turned off legacy sit offsets for a region but see no difference in sit position when I sit on an object.
2016-08-04 15:20 <Ubit> its kinda minor
2016-08-04 15:20 <Ubit> 0,1 or so
2016-08-04 15:20 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-08-04 15:20 <Plugh> I thought it was rather small.
2016-08-04 15:20 <Plugh> In the case I don't see why it is such a big deal.
2016-08-04 15:20 <Ubit> it is.. but it did upset ppl so the option
2016-08-04 15:21 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-08-04 15:21 <Ubit> it depends on ava size if i remember
2016-08-04 15:21 <Plugh> yea
2016-08-04 15:22 <Plugh> Re: the problem with the friends list of the other day, any pointers where I would look in the code to see what needs to be fixed?
2016-08-04 15:22 <Ubit> again code is identical to 0.8
2016-08-04 15:22 <Ubit> i only made changes on granting rights
2016-08-04 15:23 <Ubit> 8.2 i mean
2016-08-04 15:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #4824 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-04 15:26 <Ubit> vegaslon pingggg
2016-08-04 15:26 <vegaslon> yo
2016-08-04 15:26 <Ubit> cna u test now on 11 ?
2016-08-04 15:26 <vegaslon> ya
2016-08-04 15:26 <Ubit> ty
2016-08-04 15:27 <Ubit> ( don't ask why i call then 11 and 13  i lost track of how many i had ;) )
2016-08-04 15:27 <Ubit> outch nasty plane crash
2016-08-04 15:28 <Ubit> ohh a space 2001 monolith?
2016-08-04 15:28 <vegaslon> ya that was insain amount of push
2016-08-04 15:29 <Plugh> Ubit, It may be same code as in 0.8.2 but it worked in 0.8 so something changed between 0.8 and 0.8.2 which I can dig in to but I don't know where to start.
2016-08-04 15:29 <Ubit> it is scaled as for normal prims
2016-08-04 15:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4824: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4824/
2016-08-04 15:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: apply external forces and torque to vehicles also, as other engines do
2016-08-04 15:30 <Ubit> and that may not match bullet
2016-08-04 15:31 <Ubit> well at least the push is there now :)
2016-08-04 15:31 <vegaslon> ya it is there
2016-08-04 15:32 <Ubit> about scaling..  don't know i did work it out for normal prims comparing with sl
2016-08-04 15:32 <Ubit> loooog agoooo
2016-08-04 15:34 <Ubit> otuch where did that wall come from
2016-08-04 15:35 <Ubit> i had cam on you then poff a wall :)
2016-08-04 15:43 <Plugh> bah. There are a load of places reference "online". 
2016-08-04 15:44 <Ubit> :)
2016-08-04 15:45 <Plugh> This is why I don't like working on code changes that aren't isolated to a single file, or set of files in a single directory. I don't know enough about how the code works.
2016-08-04 15:46 <Plugh> I'm seeing at least 7 different files and any one of them might be the one that needs a change.
2016-08-04 15:48 <Plugh> ok, I've got 8 different files open in monodevelop.
2016-08-04 15:51 <Ubit> you can compare with 0.8  the friends files
2016-08-04 15:52 <Plugh> That's the plan. Is the problem going to be in the Friends module, or in one of the services file handling some friends issue?
2016-08-04 15:54 <Ubit> friends is the exec one so guess first place to look
2016-08-04 15:54 <Ubit> i did compare with 0.8.2
2016-08-04 15:55 <Plugh> I just found one of your commits where a change was made re: friends. I see a reference to SendFriendsOnlineIfNeeded().
2016-08-04 16:01 <Plugh> I just found a difference that looks suspicious in OpenSim/Region/CoreModules/Avatar/Friends/FriendsModule.cs
2016-08-04 16:01 <Plugh> There is code for OnMakeRootAgent but in AddRegion() where the event handler is connected up the line for root agent is commented out.
2016-08-04 16:02 <Ubit> i replaced it by a express call doing the same
2016-08-04 16:03 <Plugh> Where did you do that?
2016-08-04 16:04 <Plugh> hm... the IsNpwRoot() function?
2016-08-04 16:04 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-04 16:04 <Ubit> npw??
2016-08-04 16:05 <Plugh> It looks identical to the code in OnMakeRootAgent.
2016-08-04 16:05 <Ubit> yeap its c&p
2016-08-04 16:05 <Plugh> yea, I was going to ask you about Npw and what that meant.
2016-08-04 16:05 <Ubit> should be NOW lol
2016-08-04 16:05 <Plugh> oh. :)
2016-08-04 16:06 <Ubit> again mistake c&p elsewhere :)
2016-08-04 16:10 <Plugh> IsNpwRoot() is only called if gotCrossUpdate is true. That looks to me like only on a region crossing.
2016-08-04 16:12 <Ubit> the other code does similar i think
2016-08-04 16:12 <Ubit> btw  osgrid is not using that change i think
2016-08-04 16:12 <Ubit> i made it recently on crossings work
2016-08-04 16:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #4825 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-04 16:17 <Plugh> ubit, I can refactor the code to change IsNpwRoot to IsNowRoot.
2016-08-04 16:18 <Ubit> i can do that also
2016-08-04 16:18 <Plugh> ok
2016-08-04 16:18 <Ubit> im on physics with vegaslon
2016-08-04 16:18 <Ubit> he is telling me about some issues/sl changes
2016-08-04 16:19 <Plugh> It looks like I have identified the area of the code dealing with updating online status. I have a couple things I can try to see what might fix it.
2016-08-04 16:19 <Ubit> on newclient or client login, it gets all friends
2016-08-04 16:19 <Ubit> if that fails.. poff
2016-08-04 16:20 <Ubit> on makeroot  it did check the cache..
2016-08-04 16:21 <Ubit> hmm i need to take that caching out also no crossings
2016-08-04 16:21 <Ubit> ie delay it
2016-08-04 16:21 <Ubit> vegaslon any more issue ?
2016-08-04 16:22 <Ubit> well simple ones :p
2016-08-04 16:22 <vegaslon> not that I have seen
2016-08-04 16:22 <vegaslon> ya threw the low hanging fruit at you instead of making patches
2016-08-04 16:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4825: SUCCESS in 5 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4825/
2016-08-04 16:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: also disable vehicle hover if its hover is set to zero
2016-08-04 16:22 <Ubit> those pushs scaling guess we need to recheck 
2016-08-04 16:23 <Ubit> and make bullet and odes more coerent
2016-08-04 16:23 <Ubit> err no old ode
2016-08-04 16:23 <Ubit> whould break scripts
2016-08-04 16:23 <vegaslon> yep
2016-08-04 16:23 <Ubit> may reason to keep it is ols scripts
2016-08-04 16:24 <Ubit> main
2016-08-04 16:24 <vegaslon> bulletsim can keep messing with becouse it is always actively developed
2016-08-04 16:24 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-04 16:24 <Ubit> petty i can't make ubOde emulate old one
2016-08-04 16:25 <Ubit> well whould be a mess lol
2016-08-04 16:25 <vegaslon> just too much missing from old ode
2016-08-04 16:25 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-04 16:26 <Ubit> and things on old..  now totally diferent
2016-08-04 16:26 <vegaslon> alot of crazy hacks in the script for old ode as well
2016-08-04 16:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #4826 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-04 16:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4826: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4826/
2016-08-04 16:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a typo
2016-08-04 16:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #4827 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-04 16:41 <Ubit> ok normal TPs more similar to older code.. should not make a big dif.. but ..
2016-08-04 16:43 <Ubit> hmm i do not want that cache on crossings.. need to check if it is there and delay it 
2016-08-04 16:44 <Ubit> err the problem is assimetric right
2016-08-04 16:44 <Ubit> one does get the notification.. not the other"
2016-08-04 16:44 <Ubit> right Plugh ?
2016-08-04 16:45 <Ubit> so yeah ,, ill protocal
2016-08-04 16:45 <Ubit> protocol
2016-08-04 16:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4827: SUCCESS in 4 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4827/
2016-08-04 16:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do friends recaching on MakeRoot for normal tps, delay it on crossings
2016-08-04 16:46 <Ubit> bahh worked fine now
2016-08-04 16:47 <Ubit> lol
2016-08-04 16:47 <Ubit> well my alt is a special friend :p
2016-08-04 16:50 <Ubit> so nice to test things
2016-08-04 16:50 <Ubit> now it is working even testing on osg plazzas
2016-08-04 16:53 <Ubit> ahhh FAIL
2016-08-04 16:54 <Ubit> and no fail :)
2016-08-04 17:02 <Plugh> Ubit, sorry. Just got back from lunch.
2016-08-04 17:03 <Ubit> np
2016-08-04 17:03 <Plugh> Ubit, that looks to me like it will do the trick. I'll recompile and give the change a spin
2016-08-04 17:03 <Plugh> ty
2016-08-04 17:04 <Ubit> don't know
2016-08-04 17:04 <Ubit> but i did change never the less..
2016-08-04 17:04 <Ubit> if works.  crossings can be later optimized 
2016-08-04 17:05 <Ubit> i do want to take as much delay as possibily in the code areas where the arriving avatar is locked from simulation
2016-08-04 17:05 <Plugh> Oh, hm... yea, because crossing will call OnMakeRoot but then there is the check if a crossing just happened so it might do it again?
2016-08-04 17:05 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-08-04 17:06 <Ubit> also stop sending/doing things that are not necessary on crossings
2016-08-04 17:06 <Plugh> right
2016-08-04 17:06 <Plugh> If this fixes the problem for now it will make a number of people happy. It can always be cleaned up later.
2016-08-04 17:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #4828 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-04 17:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4828: SUCCESS in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4828/
2016-08-04 17:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a weak safeguard
2016-08-04 20:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #4829 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-04 20:01 <Melanie_T> Ubit: is there actually a viewer message to ask for this data?
2016-08-04 20:01 <Melanie_T> one that we have ignored until now?
2016-08-04 20:01 <Ubit> this is not for viewer
2016-08-04 20:01 <Melanie_T> aah ok
2016-08-04 20:02 <Ubit> but viewers are getting that somehow i dont remember at the moment :)
2016-08-04 20:03 <Ubit> hmm i found a message we should use add suport but for some reason about FS i had to take it out
2016-08-04 20:03 <Ubit> lets review that on the following fs versions
2016-08-04 20:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4829: SUCCESS in 4 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4829/
2016-08-04 20:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add GetActiveMembershipData() to groups modules, let core groups also have GetMembershipData(), wait for client to ask for it not telling in OnNewClient, as other modules do.
2016-08-04 20:33 <Aramis^> if anyone answered my q about which python I should install, I missed it, bluescreened last nite
2016-08-04 20:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #4830 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-04 20:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4830: SUCCESS in 5 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4830/
2016-08-04 20:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make sure all new scenepresences have fresh groups information at creation time (grouptitle missing but not that needed at that point) (use direct calls exactly where we want things to happen), reusing a funtion name to rename later
2016-08-04 21:02 <osmantis> Bug #7976:04 [PHYSICS ENGINE] Very imprecise surface detection with ubODE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7976 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-04 21:15 <nebadon> Aramis^ python? what for?
2016-08-04 21:15 <nebadon> I missed your initial question
2016-08-04 21:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #4831 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-04 21:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4831: FAILURE in 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4831/
2016-08-04 21:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cancel sending group powers on crossings, they are no longer needed.
2016-08-04 21:55 <Ubit> so fast .. git again i guess
2016-08-04 21:56 <Ubit> err nopes
2016-08-04 21:57 <Melanie_T> fail
2016-08-04 21:57 <Ubit> yeap mine :)
2016-08-04 21:58 <Melanie_T> you can keep it ;P
2016-08-04 22:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #4832 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4830 1 hr 23 min ago)
2016-08-04 22:01 <Ubit> i decide i whould use it.. then changed my mind, but gave it other name :)
2016-08-04 22:01 <Ubit> whould not use
2016-08-04 22:05 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-08-04 22:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4832: FIXED in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4832/
2016-08-04 22:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: revert a variable rename
2016-08-04 22:11 <Aramis^> nebadon just installing whatever I'm going to want/need for opensim and other things on windows here, got git, looking for php version, will need mysql for windows, figured python might be handy, ruby, etc.  python has a Python 2 series and a Python 3 series listed, either, or both needed?
2016-08-04 22:11 <Aramis^> still looking for php 64 bit that's not rc or alpha
2016-08-04 22:12 <Aramis^> and regarding git:  <Aramis^> installing Git, correct choice is:  "Checkout Windows-style, commit Unix-style line endings"  core-auto-crlf is set to "true"? (on win7_x64 here)
2016-08-04 22:12 <nebadon> you do not need python for opensim
2016-08-04 22:13 <Aramis^> right but I will be doing other things, figured good to learn python and ruby too
2016-08-04 22:13 <Aramis^> I want to be on opensim master like I used to do to help testing
2016-08-04 22:14 <Aramis^> I got lazy and just been using the osgrid releases
2016-08-04 22:14 <nebadon> for windows you will really just need Visual Studio Express and git
2016-08-04 22:14 <Aramis^> now I'll be on these machines for a year or two I hope so setting up all I might need. ok that was my next question, aside from the line ending q in git
2016-08-04 22:15 <nebadon> i guess tortoisegit if you want GUI
2016-08-04 22:15 <Aramis^> thanks for answering
2016-08-04 22:15 <nebadon> i myself use msysgit which is same as linux
2016-08-04 22:15 <Aramis^> yes I remember seeing tortisegit before for a short time. yes I will do 90% on linux but want it here also on win7
2016-08-04 22:15 <Aramis^> ok good idea
2016-08-04 22:16 <nebadon> https://git-for-windows.github.io/
2016-08-04 22:16 <nebadon> guess msysgit has been replaced with this
2016-08-04 22:16 <Aramis^> I see everyone having line ending problems with git so I want to pick the right choice
2016-08-04 22:16 <Melanie_T> the right choice is to ditch windows
2016-08-04 22:16 <Aramis^> does it look same as what you have?
2016-08-04 22:16 <nebadon> haha
2016-08-04 22:16 <Aramis^> lol that's true!
2016-08-04 22:16 <Aramis^> working on it, once this is stable, dual booting
2016-08-04 22:16 <nebadon> ya I think this is actually what I have installed
2016-08-04 22:17 <nebadon> you could always use virtualbox
2016-08-04 22:17 <nebadon> then you can stay in windows and linux simultaneously
2016-08-04 22:18 <Aramis^> ok cool, but as I'm installing Git it's asking me line ending question, Checkout windows style, commit unix style; Checkout as-is, commit unix style; and checkout as-is, commit as-is
2016-08-04 22:18 <Aramis^> yep I can do that too now that I have a little breathing room on hd and 4gb 1333 mem here
2016-08-04 22:19 <Aramis^> I can give virtual 2gb and still have 2 for desktop
2016-08-04 22:19 <Aramis^> cause you're right, I want out of windows as much as feasable, but would still be nice to test win side here
2016-08-04 22:23 <Aramis^> ok then I'll install python 2 to start with til I need it, git with default, tortoisegit or sysgit/git-for-windows that you said, mysql or mariadb, and php should hold me til I need anything else. They still have Visual Studio Express, including C# and what I need to compile opensim, correct?
2016-08-04 22:27 <Aramis^> thought MS made that all open and free, with signup
2016-08-04 22:29 <nebadon> you can get visusal studio express for free
2016-08-04 22:30 <nebadon> ah its call VS Community now
2016-08-04 22:30 <nebadon> https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/visual-studio-express-vs.aspx
2016-08-04 22:31 <Aramis^> thats what I thought
2016-08-04 22:34 <Aramis^> Q: when I run from linux here later, can I run my existing windows partition in virtualbox? or just new iso images?
2016-08-04 22:43 <Aramis^> dl VS Community now
2016-08-04 22:50 <nebadon> well I would suggest running linux inside of windows
2016-08-04 22:50 <nebadon> once you setup your virtual machine you will mount a linux iso
2016-08-04 22:50 <nebadon> then install linux as you would normally
2016-08-04 22:50 <nebadon> to a virtual disk
2016-08-04 22:51 <Aramis^> oh run linux from windows
2016-08-04 22:52 <Aramis^> I'd rather run windows from linux in virtual machine, xen?
2016-08-04 22:52 <Aramis^> but not if I have to install all this stuff each time, or maybe it can be saved as an image
2016-08-04 22:53 <Aramis^> I remember using tortoisegit when opensim switched from svn to git
2016-08-04 22:54 <Aramis^> and thank you for answers
2016-08-04 22:54 <nebadon> well I dont know how well you know linux
2016-08-04 22:54 <nebadon> but I would stick with whatever OS you know better as your root operating system
2016-08-04 22:55 <nebadon> then run the one you know less about as the virtual machine
2016-08-04 22:55 <nebadon> atleast to start with
2016-08-04 22:57 <Aramis^> linux since 2001 fully, played a bit before that with it
2016-08-04 22:57 <Aramis^> ran half-life servers for 8 years
2016-08-04 22:59 <Aramis^> slackware but I did try SuSE when you were playing with it, I think it was 14.something and liked it very much. I could live there.
2016-08-04 23:00 <Aramis^> package mgmt still needs love in slackware, but that wouldn't be true to it's purpose I guess. they finally auto-detect video card now at least, that helps when moving hd
2016-08-04 23:03 <Aramis^> we played with redhat, then fedora up til 7 or 8, CentOS 8 or 9 (never again!), Ubuntu
2016-08-04 23:04 <nebadon> i mostly use opensuse myself
2016-08-04 23:04 <nebadon> and a few ubuntu instances mostly on raspberry pis
2016-08-04 23:06 <Aramis^> right arduino coming from China, then I'll do Pi's
2016-08-04 23:07 <Aramis^> still will buy originals to support the projects, that's only fair
2016-08-04 23:08 <Aramis^> you must never sleep with all you do and play with nebadon lol you're my hero hehe
2016-08-04 23:08 <Aramis^> I think there's a Nebadon Plaza in the future not far off, hope so
2016-08-04 23:10 <nebadon> :)
2016-08-04 23:10 <nebadon> ive been looking at some alternatives
2016-08-04 23:10 <nebadon> the upboard is one
2016-08-04 23:10 <nebadon> lattepanda is another
2016-08-04 23:11 <nebadon> upboard you can get a quadcore atom with 4gb ram
2016-08-04 23:11 <nebadon> its like 130$ though but same size and footprit as the raspberry pi
2016-08-04 23:11 <Aramis^> ah right more ram would be great
2016-08-04 23:11 <nebadon> ya and its x86
2016-08-04 23:12 <Aramis^> oh instead of arm?
2016-08-04 23:12 <nebadon> http://www.up-board.org/
2016-08-04 23:12 <nebadon> yea
2016-08-04 23:12 <nebadon> its an intel atom Z8350
2016-08-04 23:14 <Aramis^> as long as it's not a kickstarter or gofundme lol I did get 2 arduino leonardo compatibles from one kickstarter for $9 each, but looks like he dropped the ball with his 2nd project, lookup borderless electronics some kind of scandle. I had no problem except I moved right in the middle and had to update him my new address, I just looked him up in orlando and called.
2016-08-04 23:15 <nebadon> http://up-shop.org/up-boards/43-up-board-4b-32-gb-emmc-memory.html
2016-08-04 23:15 <nebadon> this project looks pretty legit
2016-08-04 23:16 <nebadon> it has USB 3.0 as well
2016-08-04 23:16 <nebadon> and there is a mSATA piggy back addon
2016-08-04 23:16 <nebadon> http://up-shop.org/home/54-502ssd-msata-solid-state-drive-shield.html
2016-08-04 23:18 <nebadon> would make a fairly decent opensim server for like 250-300$ range
2016-08-04 23:18 <nebadon> could run practically any operating system unlike a pi
2016-08-04 23:18 <Aramis^> I see, want!
2016-08-04 23:18 <Aramis^> upboard
2016-08-04 23:19 <nebadon> ya it looks like the most promising board at the moment
2016-08-04 23:19 <nebadon> the lattepanda looks nice too, but they are really hard to get
2016-08-04 23:19 <nebadon> always out of stock
2016-08-04 23:20 <Aramis^> yeah
2016-08-04 23:20 <nebadon> upboard is nicer it can do 4gb ram
2016-08-04 23:20 <nebadon> panda is 2gb only
2016-08-04 23:21 <Aramis^> soon you can carry one of those in your pocket to demo with, plug into projector or their monitors hehe
2016-08-04 23:22 <nebadon> hehe ya
2016-08-04 23:22 <Aramis^> how's that going for you, good move? I know it's worlds different that where you were, have you ever been over east coast/nj/ny area?
2016-08-04 23:23 <nebadon> I live in New Jersy :)
2016-08-04 23:23 <Aramis^> yes
2016-08-04 23:23 <Aramis^> but you lived in az
2016-08-04 23:23 <nebadon> ah well I grew up in new jersey
2016-08-04 23:23 <nebadon> i moved to AZ when i was 26
2016-08-04 23:23 <Aramis^> thats what I was asking, If you had ever been east coast before
2016-08-04 23:24 <nebadon> yea most of my Life in New Jersey, my whole family lives here
2016-08-04 23:24 <nebadon> id rather be in AZ but NJ isnt so bad, only bad thing is how crowded it is here
2016-08-04 23:25 <nebadon> i missing being able to drive jeep out into the middle of nothing :)
2016-08-04 23:27 <Aramis^> right
2016-08-04 23:27 <Aramis^> verizon FiOS available? we loved it in buffalo
2016-08-04 23:27 <Aramis^> $45/month for 50 down and 20 up
2016-08-04 23:28 <nebadon> no not available here
2016-08-04 23:28 <Aramis^> aw
2016-08-04 23:28 <nebadon> but i get like 200 down 15 up through comcast
2016-08-04 23:28 <nebadon> and im not even on the top account
2016-08-04 23:28 <nebadon> there is another level or two above what i have
2016-08-04 23:29 <nebadon> it gets a bit pricy though for the top tier
2016-08-04 23:30 <Aramis^> that will work too, they were pretty stable for home here we shouldn't have switched internet, should have only changed to direcTV and kept comcast net
2016-08-04 23:30 <nebadon> yea comcast is fiber basically too
2016-08-04 23:30 <nebadon> its fiber up to the box outside the nieghborhood
2016-08-04 23:30 <nebadon> then copper to the houses
2016-08-04 23:30 <nebadon> theoretically it should be as fast as FIOS
2016-08-04 23:31 <Aramis^> right at&t sold us 45Mbps, then when time to install said well we can only do 25, need to add a second copper pair, that took another couple weeks
2016-08-04 23:31 <Melanie_T> uk has FTTC, 76-80 down, 12 up
2016-08-04 23:31 <Aramis^> but they sold what they didn't have, if I do that, it's called Fraud and I go to jail
2016-08-04 23:31 <Melanie_T> works the same way. fiber to a box nearby
2016-08-04 23:31 <Melanie_T> then copper to the house
2016-08-04 23:31 <Melanie_T> vdsl2
2016-08-04 23:32 <Melanie_T> Aramis^: if you did it with intent to defraud you would
2016-08-04 23:32 <Aramis^> they did lol
2016-08-04 23:32 <Aramis^> they knew they didn't have it hooked up
2016-08-04 23:32 <Melanie_T> but if you're AT&T you can't know the impedance, resistance and capcitance of every telephone line
2016-08-04 23:32 <Melanie_T> so they have to set it up and see
2016-08-04 23:32 <Melanie_T> and they then gave you another copper pair
2016-08-04 23:32 <Melanie_T> to fix it
2016-08-04 23:32 <Plugh> Melanie_T: Why is osTeleportOwner restricted by default to estate owner/manager if it has a threat level of None?
2016-08-04 23:33 <Melanie_T> Plugh: it has an annoyance level
2016-08-04 23:33 <Aramis^> and the dish is still sitting on the ground in a plate with 4 cinder blocks to hold it down, was supposed to be on a pole. guy comes out to finally do it and says well I have to charge you. We kicked him off the property along with his buddy who pulled up.
2016-08-04 23:33 <Melanie_T> an object giver can give you objects that then try to teleport you
2016-08-04 23:33 <Plugh> Even for the owner? Hm... ok.
2016-08-04 23:34 <Plugh> oh, ok
2016-08-04 23:34 <Melanie_T> the reason for the restriction is that people should stop and think
2016-08-04 23:34 <nebadon> i could go as high as 2Gbps through comcast
2016-08-04 23:34 <Melanie_T> and enable it for all if they think they need it
2016-08-04 23:34 <Melanie_T> and not just because it's there
2016-08-04 23:34 <nebadon> but its 299$ a month and 500$ activation with 2 year contract
2016-08-04 23:34 <Aramis^> right no need to go that high for that price
2016-08-04 23:34 <Melanie_T> similar deals in the gb range are availabel here too and at similar rates
2016-08-04 23:34 <Aramis^> 80down would be nice Melanie_T
2016-08-04 23:34 <Plugh> Melanie_T: ok, ty. Just checking on that. I've got a merchant who sells a TP device that uses that function.
2016-08-04 23:35 <Melanie_T> Plugh: for a function that works everywhere, they should use llTeleportAgent
2016-08-04 23:35 <Melanie_T> which uses the permissions dialog to prevent unwanted teleportation
2016-08-04 23:36 <Melanie_T> and the viewer's dialog throttling to prevent griefing
2016-08-04 23:36 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-08-04 23:37 <Plugh> I sometimes wonder about some of the os functions that appear to be duplicates of LSL ones.
2016-08-04 23:37 <Plugh> or near duplicates.
2016-08-04 23:38 <Melanie_T> some people who hate permission dialogs created functions without them
2016-08-04 23:38 <nebadon> http://www.speedtest.net/result/5529264802.png
2016-08-04 23:38 <Melanie_T> my default threat level and settings prevent at least most of the griefing or security risks that come with them and would otherwise bite inexperienced sim owners
2016-08-04 23:38 <nebadon> my current connection :)
2016-08-04 23:38 <Plugh> nebadon: :P
2016-08-04 23:39 <Plugh> Faster than 91% of USA indeed.
2016-08-04 23:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #4833 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-08-04 23:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4833: SUCCESS in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4833/
2016-08-04 23:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: rez new objects with the group requested by viewers and not internal idea of active one
2016-08-05 00:12 <Aramis^> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5529300052  hm that's not 45Mbps
2016-08-05 00:22 <Aramis^> on wireless, that wouldn't take off 20Mbps
2016-08-05 00:23 <Aramis^> is that shield for the upboard for m.2 ssd cards?
2016-08-05 00:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #4834 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-05 00:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4834: SUCCESS in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4834/
2016-08-05 00:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: duplicate objects with the group requested by viewers and not internal idea of active one
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2016-08-05 00:59 <Aramis^> VS Community installation, with C# added in and a couple other checkboxes under Custom, 22GB install  :(
2016-08-05 01:02 <nebadon> yea its pretty large
2016-08-05 01:03 <nebadon> technically you only really need the C# stuff
2016-08-05 01:03 <nebadon> they used to have individual versions for each language
2016-08-05 01:03 <nebadon> realistically you dont actually need Visual Studio unless your going to be coding and debugging
2016-08-05 01:04 <nebadon> and even then you technically dont actually need it
2016-08-05 01:04 <nebadon> personally i used notepad++ myself
2016-08-05 01:04 <nebadon> lol
2016-08-05 01:04 <nebadon> VS is nice for certain stuff though
2016-08-05 01:04 <nebadon> debugging especially
2016-08-05 01:06 <Plugh> Aramis^: I've seen a number of messages about people finding their wifi router seems to limit their speed.
2016-08-05 01:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #4835 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-05 01:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4835: SUCCESS in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4835/
2016-08-05 01:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: also use group provided by viewer on ObjectDuplicateOnRay
2016-08-05 01:57 <Aramis^> njhhhhhhhhhhhhhqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxdddddddddddddddddddddddd  said the cat
2016-08-05 02:02 <Aramis^> yes I like notepad+, bluefish is good also  http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/index.html.  Plugh do you think wifi would make it drop 20Mbps?
2016-08-05 02:03 <nebadon> yes
2016-08-05 02:03 <nebadon> what speed is your wifi?
2016-08-05 02:03 <Plugh> I've seen comments from people that have indicated it can do that.
2016-08-05 02:03 <Plugh> I use gvim under Windows
2016-08-05 02:04 <Plugh> I discovered my router was limiting speeds. I had QoS turned on.
2016-08-05 02:04 <Aramis^> I think it's n or ac
2016-08-05 02:04 <Plugh> Once I turned it off it made a big difference.
2016-08-05 02:06 <Plugh> Aramis^: One comment about speed of WiFi connection was about the MTU setting. You may need to lower it from the standard value a bit. 
2016-08-05 02:07 <Melanie_T> QoS is evil
2016-08-05 02:07 <Melanie_T> it assumes everyone wants to stream music
2016-08-05 02:07 <Melanie_T> and not much else
2016-08-05 02:07 <Melanie_T> it kills UDP
2016-08-05 02:08 <Aramis^> big Pace 5268ac
2016-08-05 02:09 <Aramis^> I remember having some little util to change mtu from 1500 to 14xx something on dialup, made a BIG difference
2016-08-05 02:09 <osmantis> Bug #7985:04 Friends online information not updated after initial login to grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7985 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-05 02:12 <Plugh> IIRC, the idea was to do "ping -s 1440 -c1 google.com" where and adjust the value 1440 so you don't get any report of fragmented packets.
2016-08-05 02:12 <Aramis^> I got 45 when the "technician" and I use that jokingly, was here
2016-08-05 02:13 <Plugh> Aramis^: If you do a search for infomation about your router and add in "slow" or words along that line you may find other people have, or are, experiencing slower than expected performance.
2016-08-05 02:14 <Aramis^> after telling him to put the new lines in the wall NEXT to the existing comcast one, he CUTS the line instead of unscrewing it at the splitter. Said no, we don't do that to make it harder for the other guys, I was going to use it. I said then why didn't you simply unscrew it?
2016-08-05 02:14 <Aramis^> yeah didn't see much I was searching it for my loopback issue
2016-08-05 02:14 <Plugh> what device do you have?
2016-08-05 02:15 <Aramis^> going to have to have them bridge it, didn't want to lose the faster wifi if it is ac speed, don't know yet
2016-08-05 02:15 <Aramis^> <Aramis^> big Pace 5268ac
2016-08-05 02:15 <Plugh> Oh. Didn't realize that was the device info. :)
2016-08-05 02:15 <Aramis^> np
2016-08-05 02:16 <Plugh> I haven't heard of it before. 
2016-08-05 02:16 <Aramis^> I think it's Pace/Netgear or some other co that makes 'em
2016-08-05 02:16 <Aramis^> big tall and uuuugly
2016-08-05 02:16 <Aramis^> cats keep knocking that over too lol
2016-08-05 02:17 <Plugh> hehe, yea cats will do things like that
2016-08-05 02:18 <Plugh> Um... this is an odd comment I just saw on a posting online -> I can happily report that Internet is now flowing to all devices at speeds reminiscent of a horse pissing.
2016-08-05 02:18 <Plugh> I'm not sure if that is good or bad.
2016-08-05 02:18 <Plugh> hm... happily report that? I guess its a good thing.
2016-08-05 02:19 <Plugh> hm... some comments that malware can slow the net connection down.
2016-08-05 02:22 <Aramis^> probably the norton that came with the reinstall here, he has it disabled I haven't looked yet I bet it's free trial timed out just bought this a week ago after kittens and dr. pepper killed my other one
2016-08-05 02:22 <Aramis^> its icon still in tray
2016-08-05 02:23 <Aramis^> keeps giving me the "Danger, Will Robinson" screens when I boot up
2016-08-05 02:26 <Plugh> If you have some driver for the other router you should remove it to avoid any possible issues from it.
2016-08-05 02:29 <Aramis^> no this is different machine, didn't have it with comcast
2016-08-05 02:31 <Plugh> oh. when you said you were still getting a danger message during boot up I thought you meant on the same machine as the one now using the big Pace.
2016-08-05 02:31 <Aramis^> from norton, scary messages I think they want $ lol
2016-08-05 02:31 <Plugh> oh, yeah. Once the trial has expired I'm sure they do.
2016-08-05 02:31 <Aramis^> the pace is both switch and wireless
2016-08-05 02:32 <Plugh> bbiab. I need to go check something on my workbench
2016-08-05 02:32 <Aramis^> so I run one line to the 24 port switch, and our laptops use wireless. everything else plugs into switch
2016-08-05 02:32 <Aramis^> k
2016-08-05 02:43 <Plugh> My main machine is hard wired in to the router. The machines connected via WiFi don't get the same speed as the hard wired link. I get 35 down while the other machines are only getting about 20 down
2016-08-05 02:57 <Aramis^> I'll check from my tower thru the switch then with line straight to router. no biggie unless we aren't getting what we pay for, 25 works for me
2016-08-05 03:12 <Aramis^> going to add multilib 32-bit support to the server, thanks for the help all
2016-08-05 03:13 <Aramis^> (Visual Studio still installing)
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2016-08-05 06:22 <Aramis^> downloading from here  https://git-scm.com/download/win  gave me the same file as from https://git-for-windows.github.io/ which was msysgit previously
2016-08-05 08:29 <osmantis> Bug #7985:04 Friends online information not updated after initial login to grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7985 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-05 11:33 <Matova> are there anything to protect malicius scripts to no crash the opensim? i did a test using a simple timer (0.001) and after sometimes the opensim crash with the message "out of memory"
2016-08-05 11:48 <Matova> i am using linux 64bits, 8gb ram
2016-08-05 13:11 <nebadon> Matova that is surprising that it would run out of memory using a single timer
2016-08-05 13:11 <nebadon> what version of mono are you running?
2016-08-05 14:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #4836 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-05 14:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4836: SUCCESS in 6 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4836/
2016-08-05 14:43 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  more changes relative to incorrect use of activegroupid
2016-08-05 14:43 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  use group provided by viewer on Object rez from inventory
2016-08-05 14:43 <Ubit> nice was expecting a fail :)
2016-08-05 14:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #4837 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-05 15:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4837: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4837/
2016-08-05 15:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix parcel Avatar Sounds using group membership not active group
2016-08-05 15:55 <Plugh> Ubit, I'm being told that the change the other day hasn't fixed the updating of the online status in the friends list.
2016-08-05 15:56 <Ubit> i had that ideia bc they where doing the same thing
2016-08-05 15:56 <Ubit> just tested :)
2016-08-05 15:56 <Plugh> I thought that calling that function for onMakeRootAgent event would have helped. I haven't had time to test it myself. 
2016-08-05 15:57 <Plugh> I've got stuff to at the house to prepare for another guest so I won't have much time to do any testing today.
2016-08-05 15:57 <Aramis^> what was the recommended newer mono, 4.3.2 I think?
2016-08-05 15:57 <Ubit> it was called just elsewhere
2016-08-05 16:01 <Plugh> I'll have to spend more time looking for differences between 080 and master
2016-08-05 16:03 <Plugh> um... hold those thoughts, Ubit. I'm not sure the grid was updated this morning. I have been too busy to check if the other grid staff put the update in place.
2016-08-05 16:03 <Ubit> ok
2016-08-05 16:03 <Ubit> im messing something else
2016-08-05 16:04 <nebadon> 4.3.2 is fine Aramis^
2016-08-05 16:04 <nebadon> or 4.4.1
2016-08-05 16:04 <Plugh> I won't get to it until sometime this afternoon at the earliest. A visitor has arrived that is staying with us for the month and another guest is coming for about a week as of tomorrow. Got come things to do to prepare for the second guest.
2016-08-05 16:05 <nebadon> some people have trouble with dyndns stuff on newer mono, i havent experienced it myself but if you do you might fall back to mono 3.12.1
2016-08-05 16:05 <nebadon> oh wow mono 4.6.0 tarball is available as of 2 days ago
2016-08-05 16:05 <nebadon> i might have to give that a whirl
2016-08-05 16:06 <nebadon> on the mono website though the current release is 4.4.2 now
2016-08-05 16:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #4838 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-05 16:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4838: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4838/
2016-08-05 16:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  remove country from avatars DetectParams, since it is only used on a cm function that can get it directly
2016-08-05 16:31 <nebadon> hmm
2016-08-05 16:31 <nebadon> soething wierd occuring for me
2016-08-05 16:31 <nebadon> i am getting an error when region starts up OKC Tower
2016-08-05 16:31 <nebadon> "Fatal Error: Could not resolve type with token 01000028"
2016-08-05 16:32 <Ubit> nice error
2016-08-05 16:32 <nebadon> i wonder if its because i compiled with /p:Configuration=Release
2016-08-05 16:32 <Ubit> what version ?
2016-08-05 16:32 <nebadon> Sisyphus and Newton started up fine
2016-08-05 16:32 <nebadon> but i didnt compile those in release mode
2016-08-05 16:32 <Aramis^> OK thx, I'll try 4.4.2 then this evening
2016-08-05 16:32 <nebadon> master git Ubit
2016-08-05 16:32 <nebadon> i just updated
2016-08-05 16:32 <nebadon> let me recompile it normall
2016-08-05 16:32 <nebadon> and see if it starts
2016-08-05 16:32 <Ubit> ok
2016-08-05 16:34 <Ubit> Fatal Error that sounds the try catch i placed at start so application dies "nicelly"
2016-08-05 16:34 <Ubit> so a error on start, of course :)
2016-08-05 16:36 <Matova> what is the SO used to get this error?
2016-08-05 16:36 <Ubit> linux
2016-08-05 16:37 <Matova> i am using mono 4.4.1 and works fine the compilation
2016-08-05 16:38 <nebadon> it compiled fine for me as well
2016-08-05 16:38 <Plugh> While doing a grid update to master I have noticed there are (at least) four new os functions that aren't in osslEnable.ini and are not listed in the wiki. 
2016-08-05 16:38 <nebadon> im doing a fresh clone now
2016-08-05 16:38 <Ubit> think they are on the osslEnable
2016-08-05 16:38 <Plugh> Unless someone feels like handling those changes I'll get to them later.
2016-08-05 16:39 <Plugh> Ubit, I'll have another look. I didn't notice them but I've got so many things going on right now I could have missed them in the ini.
2016-08-05 16:39 <Ubit>   Allow_osCauseHealing =            ${XEngine|osslParcelO}ESTATE_MANAGER,ESTATE_OWNER
2016-08-05 16:39 <Ubit>   Allow_osSetHealth =               ${XEngine|osslParcelO}ESTATE_MANAGER,ESTATE_OWNER
2016-08-05 16:39 <Ubit>   Allow_osSetHealRate =             ${XEngine|osslParcelO}ESTATE_MANAGER,ESTATE_OWNER
2016-08-05 16:39 <Ubit>   Allow_osGetHealRate =             ${XEngine|osslParcelO}ESTATE_MANAGER,ESTATE_OWNER
2016-08-05 16:40 <nebadon> hmm wierd
2016-08-05 16:40 <nebadon> now im getting 1 error when compiling 
2016-08-05 16:40 <Matova> try  ps -ef to check if any proccess from OpenSIm or Robust, is running
2016-08-05 16:40 <nebadon> maybe its the new mono
2016-08-05 16:40 <nebadon> let me check something
2016-08-05 16:40 <Ubit> that is actually better than at run time :)
2016-08-05 16:40 <nebadon> maybe there was an error as well on sisyphus and I didnt know
2016-08-05 16:41 <Plugh> ah. osGetPhysicsEngineName isn't listed in the ini
2016-08-05 16:41 <nebadon> wierd
2016-08-05 16:41 <Plugh> The heal ones are.
2016-08-05 16:41 <nebadon> no error on sisyphus
2016-08-05 16:41 <nebadon> what the hell
2016-08-05 16:41 <Ubit> i still have it with no rights
2016-08-05 16:41 <Matova> ubuntu 14.4 or 16 ?
2016-08-05 16:42 <Ubit> mel already kicked me about that..  im "forgetting" adding rights checks :p
2016-08-05 16:42 <nebadon> let me make sure i actually pulled latest code on sisyphus
2016-08-05 16:42 <nebadon> i dont get why one compiles with error other doenst
2016-08-05 16:43 <nebadon> bizzaro
2016-08-05 16:43 <nebadon> sisyphus is on master too
2016-08-05 16:43 <nebadon> head
2016-08-05 16:43 <Ubit> someone also had trouble compiling with on mono version 
2016-08-05 16:43 <nebadon> let me pastebin error
2016-08-05 16:43 <nebadon> 1 sec
2016-08-05 16:43 <Ubit> ok
2016-08-05 16:44 <Matova> tell me too yr linux version
2016-08-05 16:44 <nebadon> opensuse leap 42.1 x64
2016-08-05 16:45 <nebadon> http://up-shop.org/home/54-502ssd-msata-solid-state-drive-shield.html
2016-08-05 16:45 <nebadon> oops
2016-08-05 16:45 <nebadon> wrong link
2016-08-05 16:45 <nebadon> https://gist.github.com/nebadon2025
2016-08-05 16:46 <nebadon> thats the error i am getting Ubit with a fresh clone
2016-08-05 16:46 <nebadon> what is wierd though is that on same box with same mono i did a git pull on sisyphus
2016-08-05 16:46 <nebadon> and it compiles without error
2016-08-05 16:46 <nebadon> so wtf
2016-08-05 16:46 <Ubit> ok ok and what hell is that ? lol
2016-08-05 16:46 <nebadon> i guess its the profile module
2016-08-05 16:47 <nebadon> but why doesnt it get same error on sisyphus
2016-08-05 16:47 <nebadon> so strange
2016-08-05 16:47 <Ubit> ahh that is yr code
2016-08-05 16:47 <nebadon> let me replace it with the folder from sisyphus
2016-08-05 16:47 <nebadon> ya its osprofile i guess
2016-08-05 16:47 <nebadon> bizzaro
2016-08-05 16:47 <nebadon> maybe i have old copy on okc_tower or something
2016-08-05 16:47 <nebadon> dunno
2016-08-05 16:47 <Ubit> possible
2016-08-05 16:49 <nebadon> ok that was it
2016-08-05 16:49 <nebadon> must have been old
2016-08-05 16:50 <Ubit> ok
2016-08-05 16:50 <nebadon> i replaced it with the source i had in sisyphus now it compiles
2016-08-05 16:50 <nebadon> let me try to run it now without Release mode
2016-08-05 16:51 <nebadon> ok it started up
2016-08-05 16:51 <nebadon> let me try release mode again now
2016-08-05 16:51 <nebadon> i wonder why all the sudden the older profile module makes it go boom
2016-08-05 16:51 <nebadon> i updated this region a week or 2 ago it was fine
2016-08-05 16:53 <nebadon> ok well it appears my problem was having old addon module source code
2016-08-05 16:54 <nebadon> its fine in Release mode now
2016-08-05 16:54 <nebadon> no idea how i screwed that up, thought all my regions had the same stuff
2016-08-05 16:54 <nebadon> strange
2016-08-05 16:55 <nebadon> glad its not a problem with newer mono
2016-08-05 16:55 <nebadon> Sisyphus and Newton are updated on new mono now Ubit
2016-08-05 16:55 <nebadon> Newton is still on httptests
2016-08-05 17:03 <Ubit> ok
2016-08-05 17:03 <nebadon> heh i must have old code on UCI edu1 too
2016-08-05 17:03 <nebadon> its doing that same token error thingy
2016-08-05 17:04 <nebadon> CPU gets pinned super high when this happens
2016-08-05 17:04 <nebadon> console is frozen and CPU is 150%
2016-08-05 17:04 <nebadon> for that process
2016-08-05 17:04 <Ubit> strange
2016-08-05 17:05 <nebadon> on a more positive note, CPU is pretty sweet on bulletsim driving my racer around
2016-08-05 17:05 <nebadon> cpu is around 45% of single core
2016-08-05 17:06 <nebadon> that seems like fairly massive improvement
2016-08-05 17:06 <nebadon> huh
2016-08-05 17:06 <nebadon> wierd its still doing the token thing
2016-08-05 17:07 <nebadon> maybe i need a fresh clone
2016-08-05 17:07 <nebadon> must be something lingering
2016-08-05 17:07 <nebadon> only thing I can think
2016-08-05 17:07 <Ubit> hm the token mb unrelated ?
2016-08-05 17:07 <nebadon> i dont know
2016-08-05 17:07 <nebadon> OKC Tower was doing
2016-08-05 17:07 <Ubit> hm the token mb unrelated with osprofiles?
2016-08-05 17:07 <nebadon> until i did a fresh clone then it stopped
2016-08-05 17:07 <nebadon> it must be
2016-08-05 17:07 <Ubit> ahh ok
2016-08-05 17:07 <nebadon> becasue i replaced it and its still doing it
2016-08-05 17:08 <Ubit> ok i lost
2016-08-05 17:08 <Ubit> stil does it with a fresh osprofiles?
2016-08-05 17:08 <nebadon> yes
2016-08-05 17:08 <Ubit> then its unrelated :(
2016-08-05 17:08 <nebadon> im trying a git clean -d -f and git reset --hard now
2016-08-05 17:08 <nebadon> see if that helps
2016-08-05 17:08 <nebadon> if not i'll fresh clone it up
2016-08-05 17:09 <Ubit> delete that bin/addins.002 or something contents
2016-08-05 17:09 <Ubit> to force recreation
2016-08-05 17:10 <nebadon> git clean didnt help
2016-08-05 17:10 <nebadon> ok let me try that
2016-08-05 17:11 <nebadon> hmm 
2016-08-05 17:11 <nebadon> nope that didnt help either
2016-08-05 17:11 <nebadon> let me fresh clone
2016-08-05 17:13 <nebadon> if this doesnt work i have another theory
2016-08-05 17:13 <nebadon> it could be that compiling a fresh clone with Release mode is missing something
2016-08-05 17:14 <nebadon> if i compile normal first, then again with Release mode it works
2016-08-05 17:14 <nebadon> will know shortly
2016-08-05 17:14 <nebadon> nope fresh clone did it
2016-08-05 17:14 <nebadon> wierd that a git clean -d -f and git reset --hard wasnt enough
2016-08-05 17:15 <nebadon> i even did a xbuild /t:clean
2016-08-05 17:15 <nebadon> and a runprebuild.sh autoclean
2016-08-05 17:15 <nebadon> so wtf
2016-08-05 17:15 <nebadon> oh well, fresh clone fixed it
2016-08-05 17:15 <Ubit> mb something triigered by contents?
2016-08-05 17:15 <Ubit> err ?
2016-08-05 17:15 <nebadon> i dont see how
2016-08-05 17:15 <nebadon> when first try on fresh clone fixed it
2016-08-05 17:16 <nebadon> something lingering it didnt like i guess
2016-08-05 17:16 <Ubit> hmm so something is not been cleaned by other means ?
2016-08-05 17:16 <nebadon> ya must have been
2016-08-05 17:16 <nebadon> i cant explain it otherwise
2016-08-05 17:16 <nebadon> the wierd part is that Sisyphus and Newton didnt do it
2016-08-05 17:16 <nebadon> and i would have sworn all of them had identical structures
2016-08-05 17:41 <Ubit> no ideia :(
2016-08-05 17:55 <Plugh> I'm back from lunch and see something about osprofile.
2016-08-05 17:58 <Plugh> nebadon: if you need to confirm whether you have the latest version of osprofile I can help you with that.
2016-08-05 17:59 <osmantis> Bug #7985:04 Friends online information not updated after initial login to grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7985 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-05 17:59 <Plugh> nebadon: The most recent version is commit 78415227d1c51b48336d5efcf7e59a3d73a3acde dated Mon Jun 1 16:11:57 2015 +0000
2016-08-05 19:41 <Plugh> Ubit: The grid has been updated and the online indicator in the friends list is working from what I've heard.
2016-08-05 19:42 <Ubit> unless its a random thing
2016-08-05 19:44 <Plugh> I hope not. If there are any problems with it I'm sure I'll hear about it as several people depend need that feature to be working.
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2016-08-05 21:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #4839 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-05 21:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4839: SUCCESS in 5 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4839/
2016-08-05 21:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fill data for llDetected funtions of collisions closer to the event. (xengine wasn't update with this on merge bc was not used there). fix some parameters
2016-08-05 23:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #4840 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-08-05 23:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix incorrect ids in llDetected collision parameters
2016-08-06 00:01 <Plugh> hm... osGetHealRate is set in code to be threat level none but its under High in osslEnable.ini
2016-08-06 00:06 <Ubit> hmm? 
2016-08-06 00:11 <Ubit> yeah c&p again 
2016-08-06 00:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #4841 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-06 00:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4841: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4841/
2016-08-06 00:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix osGetHealRate thread level
2016-08-06 00:23 <Plugh> ok, I'll update the wiki page I just added.
2016-08-06 00:23 <Ubit> nice
2016-08-06 00:23 <Ubit> seen the osteleports?
2016-08-06 00:23 <Plugh> I've seen Agent and Owner
2016-08-06 00:23 <Ubit> thing they are not correct about the form that suports HG
2016-08-06 00:24 <Ubit> think...
2016-08-06 00:25 <Plugh> oh. I haven't created pages yet for Set/Get heal rate. I did another page.
2016-08-06 00:25 <Plugh> I'm going to go for a (short?) walk before it gets dark. Its still pretty hot and humid outside.
2016-08-06 00:25 <Plugh> bbl
2016-08-06 00:26 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsTeleportAgent
2016-08-06 00:27 <Ubit> "The first variant is able to teleport to any addressable region, including hypergrid destinations. The second variant teleports to a region in the local grid"
2016-08-06 00:27 <Ubit> but order is
2016-08-06 00:27 <Ubit> void osTeleportAgent(key agent, integer regionX, integer regionY, vector position, vector lookat)
2016-08-06 00:27 <Ubit> void osTeleportAgent(key agent, string regionName, vector position, vector lookat)
2016-08-06 00:27 <Ubit>  void osTeleportAgent(key agent, vector position, vector lookat) 
2016-08-06 00:29 <Ubit> guess 1st and 2nd need position exchange 
2016-08-06 00:29 <Ubit> hmm text could be better also
2016-08-06 00:30 <Ubit> hmm same on the owner i think
2016-08-06 00:31 <Ubit> mb something telling regionName can be a HG full uri?
2016-08-06 01:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #4842 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-08-06 01:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  ubOde a few changes to collisions reporting
2016-08-06 01:15 <Matova> :)
2016-08-06 01:35 <Plugh> ubit, I'll have a look at the docs for osTPowner later.
2016-08-06 01:35 <Plugh> I also noticed that some of the docs may not indicate when there is a penalty (ie. delay) for using some of the os functions.
2016-08-06 02:11 <osmantis> Bug #7986:04 Error when I try add notice with item via Corrade Bot 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7986 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-06 03:07 <Matova> time to sleep a bit, good night to all
2016-08-06 03:15 <Murf> does anyone know if dan hosts the source of his OSGrid opensim build on github? I want to see how he gets the git hash tag in the version number
2016-08-06 03:17 <nebadon> Murf yes it is one sec
2016-08-06 03:17 <Murf> pfft nevermind I just saw the SOURCE link for it on osgrid.org download page...
2016-08-06 03:17 <Murf> oh the github link owuld still be nice ty nebadon
2016-08-06 03:18 <nebadon> https://github.com/nebadon2025/opensimulator
2016-08-06 03:18 <Murf> thanks :)
2016-08-06 03:18 <nebadon> we also have a mirror on bitbucket too
2016-08-06 03:19 <Murf> ahhh I see it is not forked from the main opensim thats why I didnt find it
2016-08-06 03:19 <nebadon> https://bitbucket.org/osgridinc/opensimulator
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2016-08-06 04:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  ubOde revert making vehicle hover height disable hover. This at least breaks current scripts. wikis say it should, but makes no sense with vehicle type parameters defaults. Hover it again only disabled with timescale >300; handle llSameGroup on attachments
2016-08-06 08:16 <osmantis> Bug #5535:04 HG Cross Grid IM - incorrect messages and server log entries for IM to offline friends on grids configured for offline delivery 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5535 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-06 13:55 <osmantis> Bug #7987:04 Login handoff unable to point to external port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7987 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-06 13:57 <osmantis> Bug #7987:04 Login handoff unable to point to external port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7987 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-08-06 15:05 <Plugh> Ubit, I was thinking some more about online status update in the friends list. Would it make more sense to call the routine that sends the updates in OnNewClient instead of in MakeRoot? I would think it would send the data less often. It only needs to be sent when a user logs in or out of the grid.
2016-08-06 15:07 <Plugh> or if not OnNewClient, in OnClientLogin
2016-08-06 15:10 <Plugh> I have to go out for a while. Think about that and I'll get your thoughts later.
2016-08-06 15:29 <Mandarinka_T> Hello. I'd like to ask about variable CheckSeparateAssets. I have read explanations, but I admit that I still don't know in what  precisely cases, it can be applied and more, for what, the usage of this variable, can be useful. what does it give, enabling it ?
2016-08-06 15:32 <Mandarinka_T> also, explanation written in GridCommon.ini, sounds for me, little bit different than explanation introduced in HGInventoryAccessModule.cs . But the main I'd like to find out when it is useful enabling it and what it gives us
2016-08-06 15:45 <Plugh> I'm back  :)
2016-08-06 16:00 <Ubit> newClient is any client  including child agents
2016-08-06 16:00 <Ubit> im not confortable routing things via child agents
2016-08-06 16:01 <Ubit> but child agents do need to know about friendship rights so interregion edion can work
2016-08-06 16:01 <Ubit> ( rigth to modify friends prims )
2016-08-06 16:02 <Ubit> hmm if we can give up that right, then guess child agents will not need friends ( also if we only route things to root agents)
2016-08-06 16:02 <Ubit> errr did i made sense? :)
2016-08-06 16:03 <Plugh> oh, nuts. I just thought I should go through and update all of the OSSL function wiki pages with info about the default setting as to who can use the function and whether there is any script delay penalty for the use of the function. I just noticed there are 147 functions so I may find myself updating 147 pages.
2016-08-06 16:03 <Plugh> :P
2016-08-06 16:04 <Ubit> yeap i did considered that when you told it first.. but i just considered you where been brave :)
2016-08-06 16:05 <Plugh> I think that makes sense.
2016-08-06 16:05 <Ubit> i don't see any other need for friendship on child agents other than Modify Objects rights, do you ?
2016-08-06 16:05 <Plugh> Ubit: well, someone has to do it. As I haven't seen someone around to hand the task over to them I suppose I can do it.
2016-08-06 16:06 <Ubit> well it can be done 4 pages a day or so :)
2016-08-06 16:06 <Plugh> yea, I can do a bunch at a time.
2016-08-06 16:06 <Plugh> Start by threat level.
2016-08-06 16:07 <Ubit> skip newer things than are more prone to change
2016-08-06 16:07 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-08-06 16:08 <Plugh> Ubit, I was thinking about what you were talking about and have been doing re: passing less data on sim crossings. 
2016-08-06 16:08 <Ubit> well guess you will see thhings no one remembers about :)
2016-08-06 16:08 <Ubit> yes passing less that and refuce grid calls
2016-08-06 16:08 <Plugh> yea, probably. I can also make sure there is consitency in the format of the pages.
2016-08-06 16:08 <Ubit> reduce
2016-08-06 16:08 <Ubit> specially grid calls they are worse than passing more data
2016-08-06 16:09 <Ubit> but on doing this i crashed on "what is child thing versus root thing" again
2016-08-06 16:10 <Ubit> on the activeAgentGroup for example
2016-08-06 16:10 <Plugh> The only time the online status for friends list needs to be broadcast is when a person actually logs in or out of a grid. I don't know how avatar data is handled re: crossings. Is some data "permanent" so it doesn't need to be sent on crossings?
2016-08-06 16:10 <Ubit> i was added to code as a child needed thing.. and it is NOT
2016-08-06 16:10 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-08-06 16:11 <Ubit> but was used as such and still is
2016-08-06 16:11 <Ubit> in stuck on the buysell module
2016-08-06 16:11 <Plugh> Is the online status for friends maintained in data for root (and child?) agents or is that piece of info only saved viewer side?
2016-08-06 16:12 <Ubit> on most other places i made it a root thing onlu
2016-08-06 16:12 <Ubit> actully not sure at the moment
2016-08-06 16:12 <Ubit> there are services called for that
2016-08-06 16:12 <Ubit> presence service is one
2016-08-06 16:12 <Plugh> nuts. lunch is ready.
2016-08-06 16:13 <Ubit> don' understand the need for some services..
2016-08-06 16:13 <Ubit> they are doing what a single one should do...
2016-08-06 16:14 <Plugh> I'll have to pick this up with you when I get back. I'll learn a bit more about root/child agents and sim crossings in the process of thinking of how to possibly eliminate need to keep sending out online status notifications.
2016-08-06 16:15 <Plugh> bbl
2016-08-06 16:15 <Ubit> looking to the contents of some multidelegates its just scary :)
2016-08-06 16:15 <Ubit> like near 100things hidding on a inocent "event"
2016-08-06 16:35 <Ubit> damm another fight with a fs dev
2016-08-06 16:38 <nebadon> map stuff?
2016-08-06 16:38 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-06 16:38 <nebadon> what are they saying?
2016-08-06 16:38 <Ubit> http://jira.phoenixviewer.com/browse/FIRE-19778
2016-08-06 16:39 <Ubit> they repeat the request to to update online/offline regions in real time
2016-08-06 16:40 <Ubit> a very light thing for us.. yeackk
2016-08-06 16:42 <Ubit> think we do need to clarify what are opensim Viewers
2016-08-06 16:42 <Ubit> in the sense that openSIm viewers ARE NOT SL Viewers
2016-08-06 16:43 <Ubit> OpenSim viewer may Use parts of code provided by LL  under a opensource license
2016-08-06 16:44 <Ubit> And a opensim Viewer may only use LL code under those conditions and if compatibel with opensim
2016-08-06 16:45 <Ubit> it is viewer devs choice to have a mixed product or not
2016-08-06 16:46 <Ubit> think the ideia opensim uses SL viewers must be droped
2016-08-06 16:47 <Ubit> it never did...
2016-08-06 16:52 <Ubit> it just happened that some programs using the same opensource code did worked on both sistems
2016-08-06 16:52 <Ubit> not anymore
2016-08-06 16:53 <Ubit> in many areas, diferent versions of the that code need to be selected, and both sistems now have own features
2016-08-06 16:58 <Ubit> cool nice answer
2016-08-06 16:59 <nebadon> ya well every project has that one special asshole :)
2016-08-06 16:59 <nebadon> I dont really know any of the FS devs though
2016-08-06 17:00 <Ubit> and that is actual not nice for SL either.. but not my problem :)
2016-08-06 17:00 <nebadon> only one I ever really knew was tankmaster
2016-08-06 17:00 <nebadon> they arent around anymore
2016-08-06 17:00 <Ubit> possible that thing was added by a linden
2016-08-06 17:00 <nebadon> wouldnt surprise me
2016-08-06 17:00 <nebadon> though if that were the case it would probably be in other viewers as well
2016-08-06 17:01 <nebadon> does Kokua do it
2016-08-06 17:01 <nebadon> ?
2016-08-06 17:01 <Ubit> i don't bother testing ll viewer anymore
2016-08-06 17:01 <Ubit> singu doesn't do it
2016-08-06 17:01 <Ubit> hmm don't have a updated kokua now
2016-08-06 17:01 <nebadon> Kokua is probably closer to the stock SL viewer than Singularity is
2016-08-06 17:02 <Ubit> well its the seconf time ansariel gives me a answer like this :)
2016-08-06 17:02 <nebadon> I have always found the FS team to be difficult, near impossible to work with
2016-08-06 17:03 <Ubit> well a few things did got fixed
2016-08-06 17:03 <nebadon> yea some of their devs have been pretty good about fixing opensim stuff
2016-08-06 17:04 <nebadon> others are just always hostile
2016-08-06 17:04 <nebadon> tankmaster was one of the good ones
2016-08-06 17:13 <Plugh> hm... the dev didn't get a simple "yes" to their request so now they want to wash their hands of any further changes to FS in support of OS?
2016-08-06 17:14 <Ubit> well lets wait
2016-08-06 17:14 <Ubit> i also have tons of bad moments like that :)
2016-08-06 17:14 <Ubit> ( well you know that by now ;) )
2016-08-06 17:15 <smxy> Ubit: where are we at with the broken estate creation?
2016-08-06 17:15 <Plugh> nebadon: One thing about Kokua in its favour is Gavin. He is a regular at the weekly meetings in osgrid and is one of the people working on that viewer.
2016-08-06 17:15 <Ubit> as we where smxy  i went break other things :(
2016-08-06 17:16 <Ubit> as current code on a grid seems estate == region
2016-08-06 17:16 <Ubit> at least using the api
2016-08-06 17:16 <smxy> What have you broken now? I was about to update, but not if it's to more broken than before.
2016-08-06 17:17 <Ubit> well my test region seems to work :)
2016-08-06 17:18 <smxy> I need to be able to create estates and move regions into them. :(
2016-08-06 17:18 <osmantis> Bug #7988:04 Add a CHANGED event for ingress/egress of agents in a region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7988 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-06 17:18 <Ubit> fixed a nsaty bug on ubode, that cause collision_start and end to happen all the time
2016-08-06 17:20 <smxy> That's good.
2016-08-06 17:22 <osmantis> Bug #7988:04 Add a CHANGED event for ingress/egress of agents in a region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7988 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-08-06 17:26 <smxy> I see diva's in here. Did you get a chance to talk to her about the estate issue?
2016-08-06 17:28 <Ubit> her irc client is here :)
2016-08-06 18:58 <smxy> ubit: You made some changes to bakes, yes?
2016-08-06 18:59 <Ubit> some time ago yes
2016-08-06 18:59 <smxy> Okay, thanks.
2016-08-06 18:59 <Ubit> region side i mean
2016-08-06 19:00 <Ubit> well i may have changed something on grid side during the merge.. don't remember
2016-08-06 19:19 <Plugh> Is Avination an HG enabled grid? I thought it wasn't but someone told me it was.
2016-08-06 19:20 <nebadon> it is not
2016-08-06 19:21 <Ubit> wel have code that will disable FS maps for 5 minutes if they overload requests queue
2016-08-06 19:23 <Ubit> not sure ill commit it
2016-08-06 19:26 <nebadon> why not?
2016-08-06 19:26 <Ubit> well will test it and think
2016-08-06 19:56 <Plugh> I want to dig in to why I was seeing all those "Did not find" requests. If that was map related there needs to be some changes in the map related code.
2016-08-06 19:56 <Plugh> anyway, I have to make a run to the stores to pick up some stuff for tonight. bbl.
2016-08-06 19:56 <Ubit> what did not find?
2016-08-06 19:57 <Ubit> on maps is normal
2016-08-06 19:58 <Ubit> viewers fire a ton or requests to  position ranges..  most empty
2016-08-06 19:58 <Ubit> almost 50 ranges in some cases
2016-08-06 20:22 <Ubit> 21:22:24 - [WoldMapModule]: RequestMapBlocks 10080=10080=10095=10095 65538
2016-08-06 20:22 <Ubit> 21:22:24 - [WoldMapModule]: RequestMapBlocks blocking spammer 284b2787-d3e7-1e9a
2016-08-06 20:22 <Ubit> -010b-c3c099f86a42
2016-08-06 20:23 <nebadon> nice
2016-08-06 20:23 <Ubit> after 100 requests  region wasn't able to dispach
2016-08-06 20:23 <nebadon> if it works I see no reason not to commit it
2016-08-06 20:23 <Ubit> actuall 150
2016-08-06 20:24 <Ubit>               if(m_mapBlockRequests[agentID].Count < 150 )
2016-08-06 20:24 <Ubit>                     m_mapBlockRequests[agentID].Enqueue(req);
2016-08-06 20:24 <Ubit>                 else
2016-08-06 20:24 <Ubit>                 { 
2016-08-06 20:24 <Ubit>                     spamBlocked[agentID] = now + SPAMBLOCKTIMEms;
2016-08-06 20:24 <Ubit>                     m_log.DebugFormat("[WoldMapModule] RequestMapBlocks blocking spammer {0}",agentID);
2016-08-06 20:24 <Ubit>                 }
2016-08-06 20:24 <Ubit> 150 requests uff
2016-08-06 20:25 <Ubit> regions only do about  20 per second 
2016-08-06 20:26 <Ubit> map does seem to work  in some places it prefills from a cache it seems
2016-08-06 20:27 <Ubit> on if blocked and on a unknown area..  waterrrrr :)
2016-08-06 20:27 <Ubit> xii still 150 every 5 min is still a lot of spam :)
2016-08-06 20:28 <Ubit> ..
2016-08-06 20:28 <Ubit>               if(m_mapBlockRequests[agentID].Count < 150 )
2016-08-06 20:28 <Ubit>                     m_mapBlockRequests[agentID].Enqueue(req);
2016-08-06 20:28 <Ubit>                 else
2016-08-06 20:28 <Ubit>                 { 
2016-08-06 20:28 <Ubit>                     spamBlocked[agentID] = now + SPAMBLOCKTIMEms;
2016-08-06 20:28 <Ubit>                     m_log.DebugFormat("[WoldMapModule] RequestMapBlocks blocking spammer {0}",agentID);
2016-08-06 20:28 <Ubit>                 }
2016-08-06 20:28 <Ubit> oops
2016-08-06 20:29 <Ubit> 21:22:24 - [WoldMapModule]: RequestMapBlocks blocking spammer 284b2787-d3e7-1e9a
2016-08-06 20:29 <Ubit> -010b-c3c099f86a42
2016-08-06 20:29 <Ubit> 21:27:24 - [WoldMapModule]: RequestMapBlocks release spammer 284b2787-d3e7-1e9a-
2016-08-06 20:29 <Ubit> 010b-c3c099f86a42
2016-08-06 20:29 <Ubit> 21:27:24 - [WoldMapModule]: RequestMapBlocks 9888=9952=9903=9967 65538
2016-08-06 20:29 <Ubit> ...
2016-08-06 20:29 <Ubit> 21:27:28 - [WoldMapModule]: RequestMapBlocks blocking spammer 284b2787-d3e7-1e9a
2016-08-06 20:29 <Ubit> -010b-c3c099f86a42
2016-08-06 21:21 <Plugh> Ubit, Did not find region. 
2016-08-06 21:21 <Plugh> The message that you commented out a few commits ago
2016-08-06 21:22 <Ubit> i comented it bc in most cases it is a valid miss.. nothing there
2016-08-06 21:22 <Ubit> if not.. Oops :)
2016-08-06 21:23 <Ubit> walking against a open border is a case
2016-08-06 21:23 <Ubit> well if i seening the right message case :)
2016-08-06 21:25 <Plugh> Ubit, commit 5baceff4e980a
2016-08-06 21:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #4844 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-06 21:26 <Plugh> Robust was spewing a stream of those messages. 
2016-08-06 21:26 <Ubit> yes 
2016-08-06 21:26 <Ubit> normal uses do that
2016-08-06 21:27 <Ubit> the open border case for example
2016-08-06 21:27 <Plugh> Is that from checking for neighbouring regions to online ones?
2016-08-06 21:27 <Ubit> for example
2016-08-06 21:27 <Ubit> its normal X Y pointing to void
2016-08-06 21:28 <Ubit> so that message is a big spam not that usefull
2016-08-06 21:28 <Melanie_> well despam it
2016-08-06 21:28 <Ubit> lol
2016-08-06 21:28 <Ubit> yr so funny :p
2016-08-06 21:29 <Melanie_> what i find quite more annoying is that when you map search in some grids, the "ding" and the "region not found" modal come two or three times
2016-08-06 21:29 <Ubit> well i did.. removed it :p
2016-08-06 21:29 <Ubit> yeap debug on several places still
2016-08-06 21:29 <Melanie_> it even happens in OSG when you try a nonexistent/non ready hg connection
2016-08-06 21:30 <Ken_Savage> And if you do a map search for Moo and there are many sims that start with that,
2016-08-06 21:30 <Ken_Savage> The results are sometimes different depending on if you pressed enter, or clicked Find
2016-08-06 21:30 <Ubit> remote connect plus localconnect  plus cache plus HG?  all in series :)
2016-08-06 21:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4844: SUCCESS in 6 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4844/
2016-08-06 21:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  if a viewer overloads region capability to process RequestMapBlocks, ignore following requests for 300 seconds. This was necessary becaus some viewers like FireStorm are doing it, saturating region and grid services for no usefull reason
2016-08-06 21:33 <nebadon> Ubit are you still doing any dev on httptests?
2016-08-06 21:33 <Ubit> plan to
2016-08-06 21:33 <nebadon> ok
2016-08-06 21:34 <nebadon> i will keep newton on it then
2016-08-06 21:34 <Ken_Savage> Odd. Last 2 logins messages were waiting that said assets were not found while I was away???
2016-08-06 21:34 <Ubit> keepalines and pipeline still need more work
2016-08-06 21:34 <nebadon> ok cool
2016-08-06 21:34 <Ubit> also Mels issue is not fixed there
2016-08-06 21:35 <Ubit> i whould also like to try to move throotling to it
2016-08-06 21:35 <Ubit> so its a bit more fine grained than current one
2016-08-06 21:37 <Plugh> Ubit, it may  be normal for a coord to point to a place with no region but what could have been making so many requests to cause Robust to spew so many messages non-stop? Was it updating a map? Was it when regions were loading and trying to find if they have neighbours?
2016-08-06 21:37 <Plugh> Both of the above?
2016-08-06 21:37 <Ubit> map fires getby reange
2016-08-06 21:37 <Ubit> range..
2016-08-06 21:38 <Ubit> at least at the blocks code
2016-08-06 21:38 <Ubit> by X Y well tons of places
2016-08-06 21:39 <Ubit> a reason i tried to improve regionInfoCache a bit
2016-08-06 21:39 <Ubit> but it still does not cache misses
2016-08-06 21:39 <Ubit> that was a decision in the past 
2016-08-06 21:39 <Ubit> guess it needs 2
2016-08-06 21:40 <Ubit> entitytransfer is doing its own misses caching
2016-08-06 23:01 <Matova> about fsassets (fileSystem) i see on the database field called hash. So, everyone knows hash is unique to same binary. So i will ask. If i have 2 sames objects, both has same hash on the fsassets ? 
2016-08-06 23:01 <Matova> so will be just 1 hash to 2 same objects?
2016-08-06 23:17 <Ubit> thing is that there are tons of assets with the same contents
2016-08-06 23:18 <Ubit> FS tries to store only one copy of the binary contents, shared by all respective assets
2016-08-06 23:18 <Ubit> hmm i think :)
2016-08-06 23:19 <Ubit> it does assume a hash is unique to a binary dataset
2016-08-06 23:19 <Ubit> of course :)
2016-08-06 23:21 <Matova> i imagine it too. Case yes, perfect to use less espace
2016-08-06 23:22 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-06 23:23 <Matova> BLOB not good. But FS i like
2016-08-06 23:36 <Ubit> ( flood time )
2016-08-07 13:30 <Ubit> AHH cia is backkk
2016-08-07 13:34 <Plugh> It wasn't dead. It was just pining for the fjords.  ;)
2016-08-07 13:34 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-07 13:35 <Plugh> Morning, Ubit. 
2016-08-07 13:35 <Ubit> afternoon Plugh :)
2016-08-07 13:36 <Ubit> ( guess the other way around ;) )
2016-08-07 13:40 <Plugh> :)
2016-08-07 13:41 <Plugh> yea, depends on how you look at the time zones. :)
2016-08-07 13:41 <Ubit> :)
2016-08-07 14:22 <osmantis> Bug #7982:04 DataSnapShot module not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7982 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-08-07 14:30 <osmantis> Bug #7982:04 DataSnapShot module not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7982 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-07 15:09 <smxy> ubit: I edited the DB to rename and change the owner on an existing, un-used estate then changed the estate id for the region. After restarting the region, and services, he has his own estate now.
2016-08-07 15:19 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-07 15:19 <Ubit> we just don't have a api it seems
2016-08-07 15:48 <nebadon> the command "estate set name" doesnt work?
2016-08-07 15:48 <nebadon> and "estate set owner"
2016-08-07 15:48 <Ubit> thing is estate id
2016-08-07 15:49 <nebadon> also there is an "estate create <owner UUID> <estate name>"
2016-08-07 15:49 <nebadon> command
2016-08-07 15:49 <Ubit> on grid  seems we now have one estate per region 
2016-08-07 15:49 <nebadon> you cant ever have more than 1 estate per region
2016-08-07 15:49 <Ubit> but can have less :)
2016-08-07 15:50 <Ubit> thing is that is One To One
2016-08-07 15:50 <Ubit> or saying dif
2016-08-07 15:50 <nebadon> you shouldnt have to hack the database to change estate though
2016-08-07 15:50 <nebadon> there are commands for that
2016-08-07 15:51 <Ubit> a estate is created on region creation
2016-08-07 15:51 <nebadon> right but there are commands to create new estates
2016-08-07 15:51 <nebadon> and change estate and owner
2016-08-07 15:51 <Ubit> yeap seems to be like this with grid side estate suport
2016-08-07 15:52 <smxy> I have 24 regions in an estate
2016-08-07 15:52 <smxy> nebadon: those creation commands aren't working now, using the central estate service diva added.
2016-08-07 15:52 <nebadon> hmm
2016-08-07 15:52 <smxy> That's why I resorted to editing the DB.
2016-08-07 15:52 <nebadon> that is surprising
2016-08-07 15:53 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-07 15:53 <nebadon> on encitra grid we handle all our estate stuff inside of Wifi
2016-08-07 15:53 <nebadon> probably why it got missed
2016-08-07 15:53 <Ubit> going to db seems the only way to have several region on  a estate if on a grid
2016-08-07 15:54 <Ubit> Diva may clarify this
2016-08-07 15:54 <nebadon> I would have thought those commands would just reroute to whatever storage interface was being used
2016-08-07 15:54 <smxy> I used to just be able to assign a region to an existing estate.
2016-08-07 15:54 <nebadon> ya have to see what diva_ says
2016-08-07 15:54 <nebadon> those commands should work either way I would think
2016-08-07 15:55 <nebadon> if it works on fresh region start
2016-08-07 15:55 <nebadon> i dont see why those commands would fail
2016-08-07 15:55 <nebadon> they should use the same mechanisms
2016-08-07 15:55 <Ubit> well grid side estates are a bit more complex than simulator side only
2016-08-07 15:55 <smxy> with the central service, ubit says it specifically denies the commands.
2016-08-07 15:55 <smxy> which seems counter-intuitive
2016-08-07 15:55 <Ubit> guess estates are per user.. tools for that..  etc
2016-08-07 15:56 <nebadon> I dont see why there would be a difference really
2016-08-07 15:56 <nebadon> its just a matter of where data is stored
2016-08-07 15:57 <Ubit> you can't allow simulator side estates control only without some "rules" etc
2016-08-07 15:57 <smxy> Well, all I know is that using the central service, there seems no way, currently, to make or manipulate an estate.
2016-08-07 15:58 <nebadon> yea hmm ok well maybe diva_ will clarify when she can
2016-08-07 17:03 <nebadon> Newton is updated and restarted Ubit
2016-08-07 17:06 <nebadon> everything seems to load nice and fast with cache cleared
2016-08-07 17:11 <diva_> what's going on with estates?
2016-08-07 17:19 <Plugh> What is the main difference in script runtime calculation between 082 and master? I know master adds tracking of time used by the script that wasn't taken in to account before. Is that really the only change because the runtime numbers for scripts is a lot higher than before.
2016-08-07 17:26 <Plugh> I'll get the response later. I need to go out for about an hour and a half or two.
2016-08-07 17:26 <Plugh> bbl
2016-08-07 17:27 <nebadon> hey diva_
2016-08-07 17:27 <nebadon> i guess from what smxy and ubit have said is that the estate command line functions do not seem to work if you are using the centralized estate storage
2016-08-07 17:28 <nebadon> all the functions under "help Estates"
2016-08-07 17:29 <nebadon> it appears the only way to change or manipulate stuff in centralized storage mode is to edit the database directly
2016-08-07 17:29 <nebadon> which is kind of icky
2016-08-07 17:31 <diva_> that's odd. 
2016-08-07 17:31 <diva_> someone plced that code in the wriong file, or something?
2016-08-07 17:31 <nebadon> I don't know, i thought it was odd as well
2016-08-07 17:31 <nebadon> i havent tested it, I am not really set up to test it 
2016-08-07 17:31 <Melanie_> maybe they're trying to manage esattes from the sim console
2016-08-07 17:31 <Melanie_> rather than from robust?
2016-08-07 17:31 <nebadon> yes
2016-08-07 17:31 <nebadon> can you even do that from Robust?
2016-08-07 17:32 <nebadon> im not sure those are even exposed at all on robust
2016-08-07 17:32 <nebadon> let me look
2016-08-07 17:32 <Melanie_> well, if you have a centralized estate service then it follows that it comes with management commands
2016-08-07 17:32 <Melanie_> and they would be on robust
2016-08-07 17:32 <nebadon> its nnot
2016-08-07 17:33 <nebadon> there are no estate commands in robust
2016-08-07 17:33 <nebadon> technically it should be handled from the region console I would think
2016-08-07 17:33 <nebadon> that makes more sense to me
2016-08-07 17:33 <diva_> yeah that is odd. unless the console commands are in a completely wrong file
2016-08-07 17:33 <nebadon> i mean no reason it couldnt work on both
2016-08-07 17:33 <nebadon> but not everyone will have access to robust
2016-08-07 17:33 <Melanie_> yes there is a reason
2016-08-07 17:34 <Melanie_> the commands must be run on the service that controls the database
2016-08-07 17:34 <nebadon> well it doenst make sense for OSgrid to run centralized of course
2016-08-07 17:34 <nebadon> but in smxy's case its their own private grid
2016-08-07 17:34 <Melanie_> else additional protocol messages would have to be created just to forward the commands
2016-08-07 17:34 <nebadon> they have total control over
2016-08-07 17:34 <Melanie_> which is needless and wasteful
2016-08-07 17:34 <nebadon> ah ok that makes sense i guess
2016-08-07 17:34 <nebadon> how is that any different though
2016-08-07 17:34 <nebadon> than how the region is handled on a fresh start
2016-08-07 17:34 <nebadon> when it gives you option to create an estate
2016-08-07 17:35 <nebadon> or join existing
2016-08-07 17:35 <nebadon> i mean if you can do it on a fresh start
2016-08-07 17:35 <nebadon> why not make the console commands work the same way
2016-08-07 17:35 <Melanie_> i don't know how diva_ did it but i suspect that that is delegated to the service
2016-08-07 17:35 <Melanie_> querying estates must be a function of the service anyway so join/create is probably a message
2016-08-07 17:35 <Melanie_> but change or move or delete, etc
2016-08-07 17:35 <Melanie_> would be better done from a robust console
2016-08-07 17:37 <nebadon> the centralised estate though
2016-08-07 17:37 <nebadon> isnt that a direct MySQL connection
2016-08-07 17:37 <nebadon> does it actually route through robust?
2016-08-07 17:38 <Melanie_> the stabdard region estate handling can be done on a irect mysql connection
2016-08-07 17:38 <Melanie_> but that assumes that all regions in an estate are operated by the same person/entity
2016-08-07 17:38 <nebadon> yea
2016-08-07 17:38 <nebadon> ok so there is an option to route through robust then?
2016-08-07 17:39 <Melanie_> so from what i gather, diva wrote a service that allows people to run regions as part of estates where they do't have direct ysql access
2016-08-07 17:39 <nebadon> yea, that makes sense, that must be what we do on Encitragrid
2016-08-07 17:39 <Melanie_> and with opensim's architecture, that would mean that managing these estates would be on the console of the robust running it
2016-08-07 17:39 <Melanie_> everyone seems to think that the region cosole is king
2016-08-07 17:39 <diva_> I'll take a look later
2016-08-07 17:40 <Melanie_> it's not. the region console should be for managing it's regions
2016-08-07 17:40 <nebadon> ok thanks diva_
2016-08-07 17:40 <nebadon> yea I have no problem with it being on robust
2016-08-07 17:40 <Melanie_> not for managing centralized services
2016-08-07 17:40 <nebadon> its just currently none of the estate stuff is exposed on robust at all
2016-08-07 17:40 <nebadon> and i guess its just confusing to see the controls available on region console
2016-08-07 17:40 <nebadon> but not have them work
2016-08-07 17:40 <nebadon> it feels like a bug
2016-08-07 17:40 <nebadon> even though technically it is not
2016-08-07 17:42 <diva_> neb tell me an example of an estate console command, so I can search for it
2016-08-07 17:42 <nebadon> type "help Estates"
2016-08-07 17:43 <nebadon> one is > estate set name <estate-id> <new name>
2016-08-07 17:43 <nebadon> > estate set owner <estate-id> [UUID] | <firstname> <Lastname>
2016-08-07 17:43 <diva_> oh ewwww!
2016-08-07 17:43 <Melanie_> yes but those should not work if estates are centralized
2016-08-07 17:44 <diva_> those commands are in OpenSim.cs!
2016-08-07 17:44 <Melanie_> they should be available on robust then
2016-08-07 17:44 <diva_> legacy cruft
2016-08-07 17:44 <Melanie_> yes. they should be in a module
2016-08-07 17:44 <diva_> I'll move them, but I'm not quite ready to code just yet
2016-08-07 17:44 <Melanie_> wait
2016-08-07 17:44 <Melanie_> no!
2016-08-07 17:44 <Melanie_> opensim is able, and needs to be able, to create and manage estates when no region is loaded
2016-08-07 17:45 <Melanie_> they can't be in a module
2016-08-07 17:45 <Melanie_> they need to be in a plugin
2016-08-07 17:45 <Melanie_> like remote admin
2016-08-07 17:45 <diva_> ok
2016-08-07 17:45 <Melanie_> difference is, modules are tied to regions, they have no existence without regions
2016-08-07 17:45 <Melanie_> plugins are tied to the instance. they work without a region and there is always onlly one of each
2016-08-07 17:45 <Melanie_> never one per region
2016-08-07 17:46 <diva_> yeah
2016-08-07 17:46 <Melanie_> whereas connectong to an estate is a region thing, managing estates locally is an instance thing
2016-08-07 17:46 <Melanie_> and that plugin should not be configured for those cases where centralized estates are used
2016-08-07 17:46 <Melanie_> the new region creation may need to be adapted
2016-08-07 17:46 <Melanie_> most of that code is mine
2016-08-07 17:47 <Melanie_> i did that when i finally killed off the concept of "master avatar"
2016-08-07 17:47 <Melanie_> and introduced grid gods instead
2016-08-07 19:58 <Melanie_T> Ubit: i believe from the commit message that this change will allow sending less updates in total?
2016-08-07 19:58 <Melanie_T> by keeping unsent updates in the updates quque for longer?
2016-08-07 19:59 <Melanie_T> that would, i believe, also itigate the "update after kill" issue
2016-08-07 19:59 <Ubit> the on about using size yes it should do that
2016-08-07 19:59 <Ubit> this on is more on culling.. im testing send culling kills via updates also
2016-08-07 20:00 <Ubit> not direclty
2016-08-07 20:01 <Ubit> this last push is about fixing the canceling of kills if we get back in view and the kills are still in queue etc
2016-08-07 20:01 <Ubit> but i pushed on the wrong branch.. this should be master lol
2016-08-07 20:07 <Ubit> hmm any comand to merge selected comits from httptests into master?
2016-08-07 20:07 <Ubit> only selected
2016-08-07 20:14 <smxy> wb diva. Thanks for looking into the estate stuff.
2016-08-07 20:14 <smxy> or being willing to, at some point. :)
2016-08-07 20:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #4845 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-07 20:21 <Ubit> mel
2016-08-07 20:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4845: SUCCESS in 6 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4845/
2016-08-07 20:21 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: several changes related to culling option
2016-08-07 20:21 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: move updates from updates queues into udp queues acording to their payload estimated size and udp sending capability on a time slice, instead always moving a arbitrary number of updates.
2016-08-07 20:21 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix entity update flags update
2016-08-07 20:21 <Melanie_T> yes?
2016-08-07 20:22 <Ubit> also bandwith ocupation should be a bit more smoth.. well not that much
2016-08-07 20:23 <Ubit> but also packets get encoded ( with positions) closer to output time
2016-08-07 20:23 <Melanie_T> the git command for picking single commits is cherry-pick i think
2016-08-07 20:23 <Ubit> yes it is.. i found it thx
2016-08-07 20:23 <Ubit> udp get a bit smaller..   delay between encoding postions velocitys and actuall output should be a bit smaller
2016-08-07 20:24 <Ubit> udp queue gets a bit smaller
2016-08-07 20:28 <Ubit> of course i whould also like to do UDP blocking send,  but you told me long ago mono does not behave on that.. so.. well 
2016-08-07 20:29 <Ubit> that whould allow the udp sending thread to be more in sync with OS sending capability
2016-08-07 20:29 <Ubit> possible reducing "in house" upd packet drops that protocol does allow to happen
2016-08-07 20:30 <Ubit> ( i think.. )
2016-08-07 20:36 <smxy> Melanie_T: So, when I updated yesterday, I built and ran with 4.3.2, as we'd discussed. Now my grid is having issues resolving host names that it could before. I'm really starting to dislike Mono above 4.0.1
2016-08-07 20:38 <Melanie_T> this is with master or with an older snapshot?
2016-08-07 20:38 <smxy> Yesterday's code.
2016-08-07 20:38 <Melanie_T> i'm asking because there was an issue with osgrid and nginx not getting the proper headers sent to it
2016-08-07 20:39 <Melanie_T> i fixed that a good while ago
2016-08-07 20:39 <Melanie_T> ok
2016-08-07 20:39 <Melanie_T> then it includes that fix
2016-08-07 20:39 <smxy> Let me check and make sure the other sites aren't coincidentally down.
2016-08-07 20:39 <Melanie_T> regardless, mono is what it is and we can't keep looking backwards
2016-08-07 20:39 <Melanie_T> there has to be a way to fix this or get around it
2016-08-07 20:40 <smxy> No, but moving forward hasn't worked for me yet.
2016-08-07 20:40 <smxy> But I agree.
2016-08-07 20:41 <Melanie_T> i will not have good internet until the 19th
2016-08-07 20:41 <Melanie_T> i'm on a mobile device now
2016-08-07 20:41 <Melanie_T> but i did finally find and move into a house
2016-08-07 20:41 <smxy> Awesome. Welcome to your new home. :)
2016-08-07 20:41 <Melanie_T> right now i have to husband my data carefully
2016-08-07 20:42 <Melanie_T> because i don't want to hit the cap before the landline is put in
2016-08-07 20:42 <Melanie_T> so no connections to grids
2016-08-07 20:43 <smxy> Okay, at least one of the errors is legit. a grid changed it's address from http://selea-core.com:8002/ to http://seleacore.com:8002/ and it's spewing name resolution errors into my logs for assets from there. Is there anyway I can fix that in my DB?
2016-08-07 20:44 <Melanie_T> not really
2016-08-07 20:44 <Melanie_T> the assets are also encoded in things i think
2016-08-07 20:44 <smxy> If not, then I think I'll just add an entry into my DNS for it.
2016-08-07 20:44 <smxy> And make it resolve.
2016-08-07 20:44 <Melanie_T> that is the best solution
2016-08-07 20:44 <Melanie_T> rather, your /etc/hosts
2016-08-07 20:45 <Melanie_T> because DNS would mean serving that entire domain locally and you may not want that
2016-08-07 20:45 <smxy> My firewall's DNS forwarder is where I put overrides.
2016-08-07 20:45 <smxy> Yes, I misspoke, but knew what I meant.
2016-08-07 20:45 <smxy> :)
2016-08-07 20:46 <Melanie_T> maybe it needs to be made more clear that grids on the HG should not change their names
2016-08-07 20:46 <Melanie_T> or at lest keep old urls valid
2016-08-07 20:49 <nebadon> someone had said that mono 4.4.1+ had the DNS issues fixed, but when we tested it on OSgrid some people complained
2016-08-07 20:49 <smxy> Okay, that issue's resolved. I'll let you know if I run into any that I can't explain other than Mono misbehaving. :)
2016-08-07 20:49 <nebadon> it seems only people using dyndns have trouble
2016-08-07 20:49 <nebadon> no idea why
2016-08-07 20:49 <nebadon> im testing mono 4.6.0 now myself
2016-08-07 20:49 <osmantis> Bug #7989:04 Hypergrid fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7989 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-07 20:50 <Melanie_T> dyndns is a basic requirement for most home hosters
2016-08-07 20:50 <nebadon> yea from what I sort of know, is that mono for some reason caches the ip to FQDN
2016-08-07 20:50 <nebadon> and if it changes mono never updates it until its restarted
2016-08-07 20:51 <nebadon> so basically mono will always see the old ip address until you kill the process and start it again
2016-08-07 20:51 <nebadon> pretty lame
2016-08-07 20:51 <smxy> Yes, after I changed addresses recently, no one could get to my grid from Kitely for the longest time, until I got Ian to restart his services and then it worked.
2016-08-07 20:53 <smxy> Ilan*
2016-08-07 20:54 <nebadon> it doesnt seem to happen with mono 4.0.1
2016-08-07 20:54 <nebadon> but it does with 4.1+
2016-08-07 21:01 <nebadon> ServicePointManager.DnsRefreshTimeout was supposedly enabled in mono 4.3.2
2016-08-07 22:29 -!- IgorVorotiloff(~GuyCharle@unaffiliated/igorvorotiloff) has left #opensim-dev
2016-08-08 01:43 <smxy> Are groups broken? I'm trying to invite people to a group, but the drop down menu where I select their role just keeps saying Loading ...
2016-08-08 01:44 <smxy> This would be core groups, not the external module.
2016-08-08 01:44 <smxy> It means I can't invite them.
2016-08-08 02:01 <Aramis^> "pining for the fjords." lol
2016-08-08 02:02 <Plugh> :)
2016-08-08 02:03 <Aramis^> beautiful pulmage the Norweigian Blue
2016-08-08 02:11 <Plugh> indeed
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2016-08-08 03:38 <smxy> Well, almost 2 hours later, it still says loading and I can't invite people to my group. 
2016-08-08 03:40 <Matova> on the list group, select your grp and touch invite
2016-08-08 03:41 <smxy> let me try
2016-08-08 03:41 <smxy> list group? You mean the list of groups I am in?
2016-08-08 03:42 <Matova> no, all groups, so you just select without join on the screen
2016-08-08 03:42 <Matova> let me printscreen
2016-08-08 03:42 <smxy> this is firestorm
2016-08-08 03:43 <Matova> yes, i am using firestorm too.. i have same problem, but like i told u works
2016-08-08 03:43 <smxy> I guess I don't understand then
2016-08-08 03:45 <Matova> i will show you, i am starting the robust
2016-08-08 03:45 <smxy> thank you
2016-08-08 03:47 <Matova> http://prntscr.com/c2x5ki
2016-08-08 03:48 <smxy> yes, when  right click on the group there is no invite
2016-08-08 03:48 <Matova> this screen show all your groups, so just select the group and press "invite..."
2016-08-08 03:48 <smxy> press invite .... where?
2016-08-08 03:49 <Matova> on the screen has a menu at right side
2016-08-08 03:49 <Matova> see?
2016-08-08 03:49 <smxy> oh, hmm
2016-08-08 03:49 <smxy> Yes, I'm blind. let me try that
2016-08-08 03:49 <smxy> :)
2016-08-08 03:49 <Matova> will work like you need
2016-08-08 03:50 <smxy> It seemed to. I will find out when/if they accept. Thanks!
2016-08-08 04:31 <Matova> time to sleep, cya guys
2016-08-08 05:34 <osmantis> Bug #5535:04 HG Cross Grid IM - incorrect messages and server log entries for IM to offline friends on grids configured for offline delivery 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5535 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-08 08:43 <osmantis> Bug #5535:04 HG Cross Grid IM - incorrect messages and server log entries for IM to offline friends on grids configured for offline delivery 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5535 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-08 20:37 <Ubit> smxy that group invites is on mantis. i even wasted time reporting in fs jira
2016-08-08 20:37 <Ubit> i don't see nothing wrong on region code..  just fs bahhh
2016-08-08 20:38 <Ubit> btw if you do the invite from the nearby list  it does seem faster
2016-08-08 22:00 <smxy> ubit: It behaved the same way in Alchemy too.
2016-08-08 22:03 <Ubit> don't know
2016-08-08 22:04 <Ubit> just seen it asks for almost anything about the group before stopping telling loading
2016-08-08 22:04 <Ubit> its a none sense.. at that point only needs roles list.. but well
2016-08-08 22:07 <Ubit> hmm i can't invite ppl at sl lol
2016-08-08 22:07 <Ubit> using the correct viewer.. no longer tpvs at sl
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2016-08-09 01:07 <smxy> New FS version just dropped.
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2016-08-09 10:43 <djphil_> ping Ubit
2016-08-09 10:43 <djphil_> Hello :)
2016-08-09 10:43 <Ubit> pong
2016-08-09 10:43 <djphil_> About alert "unknown mesh type," ow i can solve that?
2016-08-09 10:43 <djphil_> I see ANY reference to The Concerned mesh, any object name or object or object uuid rentals, etc ... How can i find the "invalid" mesh?
2016-08-09 10:43 <Ubit> hmm ??
2016-08-09 10:44 <djphil_> i try to fix some alerts ...
2016-08-09 10:44 <djphil_> "unknow mesh type"
2016-08-09 10:44 <djphil_> but how i can find this mesh ?
2016-08-09 10:44 <djphil_> i see any ref
2016-08-09 10:44 <djphil_> no uuid, no name, no location
2016-08-09 10:44 <djphil_> i this case how i can find this mesh ?
2016-08-09 10:45 <Ubit> hmm think there is none  bc at that code point none is avaiable to show
2016-08-09 10:45 <djphil_> hope you undertand me :p
2016-08-09 10:45 <djphil_> how i can fix that then ?
2016-08-09 10:46 <Ubit> guessing? lol
2016-08-09 10:46 <Ubit> that is with ubMesm?
2016-08-09 10:47 <djphil_> yes with ub
2016-08-09 10:48 <Ubit> yeap its a mesh without ANY data for physics including the mandatory convex hull
2016-08-09 10:48 <djphil_> ok
2016-08-09 10:48 <djphil_> but
2016-08-09 10:48 <djphil_> how i can find this "invalid" mesh ?
2016-08-09 10:48 <djphil_> to fix !
2016-08-09 10:48 <Ubit> and this deep in code i do not have object information :(
2016-08-09 10:49 <djphil_> hmmm
2016-08-09 10:49 <djphil_> hehe
2016-08-09 10:49 <Ubit> ok wait mb at next high level
2016-08-09 10:51 <djphil_> i see any other info about it
2016-08-09 10:52 <djphil_> and of course 90% of my region is mesh lol
2016-08-09 10:54 <Ubit> ohh i do have a name after all
2016-08-09 10:55 <djphil_> arff :s
2016-08-09 11:00 <djphil_> cool
2016-08-09 11:00 <djphil_> possible to add prim position and/or uuid ?
2016-08-09 11:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #4846 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-09 11:02 <Ubit> nopes not there 
2016-08-09 11:03 <Ubit> at least you will see "Object" as name  i guess :)
2016-08-09 11:03 <djphil_> ok
2016-08-09 11:03 <djphil_> we already have a little more information, we know the name now
2016-08-09 11:03 <Ubit> mb can help a bit
2016-08-09 11:03 <djphil_> hope i have no to many "Object" in scene :p
2016-08-09 11:03 <Ubit> also its a mesh loaded some odd way
2016-08-09 11:04 <Ubit> viewers always fill the convex hull part
2016-08-09 11:04 <djphil_> ha oki!
2016-08-09 11:04 <djphil_> that no cool!
2016-08-09 11:05 <djphil_> but is a viewer part, now i know
2016-08-09 11:05 <Ubit> hmm and this is a warn.. possible the thing is inworld kinda phanton
2016-08-09 11:06 <djphil_> what that ?
2016-08-09 11:07 <Ubit> that object possible is visible and its kinda phantom..
2016-08-09 11:08 <djphil_> why "kinda" ?
2016-08-09 11:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4846: SUCCESS in 8 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4846/
2016-08-09 11:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: tell prim name on some more ubMeshmerizer error/warn messages
2016-08-09 11:08 <Ubit> bc its not a "legal" phantom or type none...  
2016-08-09 11:08 <djphil_> it is phantom or ghost is not
2016-08-09 11:08 <djphil_> how can it be just "kinda" phantom
2016-08-09 11:09 <Ubit> so without better words i said like that : "kinda" phantom
2016-08-09 11:09 <djphil_> I often check if it is "type none" and i correct it if necessary
2016-08-09 11:10 <djphil_> ha oki ^^
2016-08-09 11:10 <djphil_> somthink like "fake phantom"
2016-08-09 11:10 <Ubit> :)
2016-08-09 11:11 <djphil_> same wavelength :p
2016-08-09 11:11 <Ubit> damm hot here again.. and im having a bit of fever
2016-08-09 11:11 <djphil_> heh, today i will try new healt functions :)
2016-08-09 11:12 <Ubit> teh basis health isn't all that great :(
2016-08-09 11:12 <Ubit> basic..
2016-08-09 11:13 <Ubit> but it does heal again
2016-08-09 11:13 <djphil_> let me try
2016-08-09 11:13 <Ubit> 0.5% per sec i think
2016-08-09 11:14 <djphil_> flying and fall to the ground
2016-08-09 11:14 <djphil_> yes!
2016-08-09 11:14 <djphil_> from 100% to 96%
2016-08-09 11:14 <djphil_> great !
2016-08-09 11:14 <djphil_> i back to 100% too :)
2016-08-09 11:15 <djphil_> perfect!
2016-08-09 11:15 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-09 11:15 <Ubit> well not that perfect.. just better :)
2016-08-09 11:15 <djphil_> he returned as in the past
2016-08-09 11:15 <djphil_> yeap "better"
2016-08-09 11:15 <Ubit> yeah that used to work then got broken
2016-08-09 11:15 <djphil_> we can adjust rate now
2016-08-09 11:15 <Ubit> but i did change tha paramenter
2016-08-09 11:16 <Ubit> not is b collision velocity
2016-08-09 11:16 <djphil_> "sensibility" ?
2016-08-09 11:16 <Ubit> not by old "penetration depth" that is actually  useless for this
2016-08-09 11:16 <Ubit> i mean now uses velocity
2016-08-09 11:17 <djphil_> osSetHealRate take some param ?
2016-08-09 11:17 <Ubit> the rate i guess lol
2016-08-09 11:18 <djphil_> for sure yes lol
2016-08-09 11:18 <Ubit> :)
2016-08-09 11:18 <djphil_> but maybee the user affected ?
2016-08-09 11:18 <djphil_> osSetHealRate(uuid, 50);
2016-08-09 11:18 <djphil_> or ?
2016-08-09 11:19 <djphil_> this function is for the object collided ? (i mean inside the script on the object collided ?)
2016-08-09 11:19 <Ubit> public void osSetHealth(string avatar, double health)
2016-08-09 11:20 <djphil_> ha oki, ty :)
2016-08-09 11:20 <Ubit>      public void osSetHealRate(string avatar, double healrate)
2016-08-09 11:20 <Ubit>  public LSL_Float osGetHealRate(string avatar)
2016-08-09 11:20 <djphil_> teap, "better" :p
2016-08-09 11:20 <djphil_> y*
2016-08-09 11:20 <Ubit> i think Plugh added this to the wiki already
2016-08-09 11:20 <djphil_> no yet
2016-08-09 11:21 <djphil_> is added but without exemple
2016-08-09 11:21 <djphil_> or info
2016-08-09 11:21 <djphil_> eg: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsSetHealRate
2016-08-09 11:21 <Ubit> ok
2016-08-09 11:21 <djphil_> maybee coming soon :)
2016-08-09 11:22 <Ubit> yeap he was working on that
2016-08-09 11:22 <djphil_> kk
2016-08-09 11:23 <djphil_> NPC are teleported to center of region now when he is killed ?
2016-08-09 11:23 <djphil_> with heallth 0% i mean
2016-08-09 11:23 <Ubit> no ideia lol
2016-08-09 11:24 <djphil_> ok, you have not fixed that then
2016-08-09 11:24 <djphil_> actualy, in the old OSG release, isn't
2016-08-09 11:25 <Ubit> hmm yeap didn't look that far
2016-08-09 11:25 <djphil_> yeap
2016-08-09 11:25 <djphil_> i will test it again too, for sure
2016-08-09 11:28 <djphil_> osSetHealth work perfectly
2016-08-09 11:28 <djphil_> except for one thing
2016-08-09 11:28 <djphil_> he still plays the sounds
2016-08-09 11:28 <djphil_> maybee a viewer part ... ?
2016-08-09 11:28 <Ubit> possible
2016-08-09 11:29 <Ubit> dont remember sounds there
2016-08-09 11:29 <djphil_> but allready really better ! :)
2016-08-09 11:29 <djphil_> we can now remplace
2016-08-09 11:29 <djphil_> o = llRound(osGetHealth(prim_user));
2016-08-09 11:29 <djphil_>     p = o - p;
2016-08-09 11:29 <djphil_>     if (p > o) osCauseHealing(prim_user, p);
2016-08-09 11:29 <djphil_>     else osCauseDamage(prim_user, p);
2016-08-09 11:29 <djphil_> by only one !
2016-08-09 11:29 <djphil_> osSetHealth(prim_user, p);
2016-08-09 11:29 <djphil_> perfect :)
2016-08-09 11:30 <Ubit>  ControllingClient.SendHealth(Health);
2016-08-09 11:30 <Ubit> yeap no sounds on our side
2016-08-09 11:30 <djphil_> it is exactly what I expected
2016-08-09 11:31 <djphil_> maybee i can report that on FS mantis then ...
2016-08-09 11:31 <djphil_> a exception for osSetHealth
2016-08-09 11:31 <Ubit> not m thing :p
2016-08-09 11:31 <Ubit> not my thing.. 
2016-08-09 11:31 <djphil_> :)
2016-08-09 11:32 <Ubit> most like you will get a answer: works fine at SL
2016-08-09 11:34 <djphil_> yeah, the "key" response :s
2016-08-09 11:35 <djphil_> I hate it :p
2016-08-09 11:36 <djphil_> arfff, of course "llStopSound" have no effect on this sound
2016-08-09 11:36 <djphil_> pffff
2016-08-09 11:39 <Melanie_> one fine day, LL will close SL and move on to better things
2016-08-09 11:39 <djphil_> good, osGetHealRate and osSetHealRate workink nicely :)
2016-08-09 11:39 <Melanie_> SL is a commercial enterprise which will onl be operated while it is viable.
2016-08-09 11:39 <djphil_> is allready with Hi Fidelty
2016-08-09 11:40 <Melanie_> so SL is ephemeral while opensim, being free and open, is eternal
2016-08-09 11:40 <Melanie_> betting so heavily on supporting only SL will result in tears in the end
2016-08-09 11:40 <djphil_> for sure, SL isn't OS, is !=
2016-08-09 11:40 <djphil_> how do MEl today ?
2016-08-09 11:41 <djphil_> Mel*
2016-08-09 11:41 <Melanie_> i'm fine. in my new house finally
2016-08-09 11:41 <Ubit> good :)
2016-08-09 11:41 <djphil_> yes!
2016-08-09 11:42 <djphil_> i have moved to
2016-08-09 11:42 <djphil_> and fine too :)
2016-08-09 11:42 <djphil_> but that a big change !
2016-08-09 11:42 <djphil_> in life
2016-08-09 11:43 <Melanie_> yes
2016-08-09 11:44 <osmantis> Bug #7973:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osSetHealth(key user, float health) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7973 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2016-08-09 11:44 <osmantis> Bug #7973:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osSetHealth(key user, float health) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7973 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2016-08-09 11:46 <osmantis> Bug #7951:04 Health is not gradually and automatically back 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7951 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2016-08-09 11:46 <osmantis> Bug #7951:04 Health is not gradually and automatically back 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7951 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2016-08-09 11:49 <djphil_> Melanie_ , can you find a little time for small PHP code necessary to use your "opencurrency"?
2016-08-09 11:49 <djphil_> I asked you these services please some time ago
2016-08-09 11:49 <djphil_> The "basic" setup and the "basic" php
2016-08-09 11:49 <djphil_> just the basic to get it work
2016-08-09 11:50 <Melanie_> yes I recall. I have looked but I could not find an unmodified copy. modified as in "not working with the stock one anymore"
2016-08-09 11:50 <djphil_> because actually i can just compile lol
2016-08-09 11:50 <djphil_> can't use :s
2016-08-09 11:50 <Melanie_> so i need to look through some old backups
2016-08-09 11:51 <Melanie_> and considering the fact that I have been lving in hotels for the past month, there was little chance of doing that
2016-08-09 11:51 <djphil_> i that can help, i have some backup od wiredux
2016-08-09 11:51 <Melanie_> even now i don't have my stuff yet, sitting in a mostly empty house witing for the moving truck
2016-08-09 11:51 <djphil_> with "helper.php" etc ...
2016-08-09 11:51 <Melanie_> djphil_: please procvide the wiredux currency.php and landtool.php
2016-08-09 11:52 <Melanie_> those are the ones I need and from that base, the changes to make them work stanalone are small
2016-08-09 11:52 <djphil_> ok
2016-08-09 11:59 <djphil_> Melanie_ : Here is all i found http://digigrids.no-ip.org/mel/
2016-08-09 12:00 <djphil_> hope that can help a bit :)
2016-08-09 12:00 <djphil_> you can download without problem ?
2016-08-09 12:01 <Melanie_> i have it
2016-08-09 12:01 <Melanie_> looks good
2016-08-09 12:01 <djphil_> ok, fine!
2016-08-09 12:01 <Melanie_> can't say if i can get to it right away as i'm on another project
2016-08-09 12:01 <Melanie_> but this is what i needed
2016-08-09 12:01 <djphil_> ok
2016-08-09 12:02 <djphil_> hope relatively soon ...
2016-08-09 12:02 <djphil_> first unload the truck hehe :)
2016-08-09 12:03 <djphil_> i can just say "good luck" :p
2016-08-09 12:03 <Melanie_> thanks
2016-08-09 12:05 <djphil_> when I made my home, I had pain everywhere in muscles
2016-08-09 12:05 <djphil_> eed to take warm baths to relax
2016-08-09 12:05 <djphil_> need*
2016-08-09 12:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #4847 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-09 12:21 <osmantis> Bug #7952:04 [NPC] No teleported to te center of region when he killed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7952 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-08-09 12:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4847: SUCCESS in 5 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4847/
2016-08-09 12:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a simple prim area estimator
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2016-08-09 13:35 <osmantis> Bug #7952:04 [NPC] No teleported to te center of region when he killed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7952 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-09 15:05 <osmantis> Bug #7952:04 [NPC] No teleported to te center of region when he killed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7952 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-08-09 15:15 <osmantis> Bug #7952:04 [NPC] No teleported to te center of region when he killed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7952 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-08-09 15:18 <osmantis> Bug #7952:04 [NPC] No teleported to te center of region when he killed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7952 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-08-09 15:19 <osmantis> Bug #7983:04 Asset warning: Upload failed , when osOwnerSaveAppearance is used. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7983 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-08-09 20:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #4848 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-09 20:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4848: SUCCESS in 5 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4848/
2016-08-09 20:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a SimpleAngularDistance Updates prioritazition scheme. Results don't look that great so don't use it still.
2016-08-09 21:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #4849 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-08-10 00:44 <smxy> Ubit: ping
2016-08-10 01:31 <smxy> Ubit: Nevermind. :)
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2016-08-10 19:26 <osmantis> Bug #7952:04 [NPC] No teleported to the center of region when npc killed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7952 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-08-10 20:46 <osmantis> Bug #7990:04 Detached items become permanent corrupt when RLV/RLVa is enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7990 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2016-08-10 23:36 <Aramis^> 
ACTION gives Ubit a cookie...

2016-08-10 23:37 <Ubit> ty
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2016-08-11 09:07 <osmantis> Bug #7990:04 Detached items become permanent corrupt when RLV/RLVa is enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7990 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-11 11:28 <osmantis> Bug #7991:04 while (TRUE) loop always stops at ~35 sec 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7991 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-11 11:59 <osmantis> Bug #7991:04 while (TRUE) loop always stops at ~35 sec 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7991 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-08-11 12:08 <osmantis> Bug #7992:04 [BASE HTTP SERVER]: Handler not found for http request POST /RetrieveMessages/ 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7992 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-11 15:09 <osmantis> Bug #7991:04 while (TRUE) loop always stops at ~35 sec 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7991 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-11 15:32 <osmantis> Bug #7991:04 while (TRUE) loop always stops at ~35 sec 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7991 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-11 15:39 <osmantis> Bug #7991:04 while (TRUE) loop always stops at ~35 sec 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7991 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-11 15:53 <Plugh> I'm getting ready to update some wiki pages. I want to paste in the Allow settings from osslEnable.ini but when I do it takes the | as a separator. The wiki help says I can use \p to create | but the web page just shows \p instead of the pipe symbol.
2016-08-11 15:53 <Plugh> How do I make it show the pipe symbol?
2016-08-11 16:01 <Plugh> I wound up using &#124;
2016-08-11 16:03 <osmantis> Bug #7991:04 while (TRUE) loop always stops at ~35 sec 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7991 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2016-08-12 00:05 <Ubit> hi you are you all ? :)
2016-08-12 00:06 <Ubit> afk.. ok
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2016-08-12 03:19 <osmantis> Bug #7990:04 Detached items become permanent corrupt when RLV/RLVa is enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7990 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-12 03:24 <Ubit> jenkins you are ignoring me ?
2016-08-12 04:01 <osmantis> Bug #7990:04 Detached items become permanent corrupt when RLV/RLVa is enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7990 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-12 04:10 <osmantis> Bug #7990:04 Detached items become permanent corrupt when RLV/RLVa is enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7990 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-12 13:24 <osmantis> Bug #7990:04 Detached items become permanent corrupt when RLV/RLVa is enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7990 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-12 14:20 <osmantis> Bug #7961:04 Windlight params not sent to viewer upon logging in to region with windlight defined 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7961 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-08-12 19:43 <osmantis> Bug #7993:04 After being HG for any extended time, on returning to home grid entire FL shows as "Unknown User" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7993 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-12 21:06 <osmantis> Bug #7993:04 After being HG for any extended time, on returning to home grid entire FL shows as "Unknown User" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7993 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-08-12 22:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4849: ABORTED in 3 days 1 hr: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4849/
2016-08-12 22:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let physics know about region water level change
2016-08-12 22:36 <Ubit> hmm ??
2016-08-12 22:36 <Ubit> was stuck ?
2016-08-12 22:36 <nebadon> yea
2016-08-12 22:37 <nebadon> its definitely acting strange
2016-08-12 22:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #4850 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: ABORTED -- last SUCCESS #4848 3 days 1 hr ago)
2016-08-12 22:40 <nebadon> ok it seems to be going again
2016-08-12 22:40 <nebadon> see what happens
2016-08-12 22:41 <Ubit> :)
2016-08-12 22:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4850: SUCCESS in 6 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4850/
2016-08-12 22:45 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  stop renewing xml cache entries expires. Let them expire or grid changes will ignored as long something keeq requesting (like group profiles refreshs). reduce the expire time more ignoring folish config.
2016-08-12 22:45 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  to do that don't use slideexpiration; add cap event ChatterBoxForceClose
2016-08-12 22:45 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  remove code from httptests branch
2016-08-12 22:45 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  partially revert commit 42a9afdc43cc.. of 06-12 not allowing more updates to be enqueued on deleted objects. Keep the catch up on deenqueue, so preserving the race condition safe guard. Let Scene sendkillObject work even if object is flaged as deleted. Still not clear how this are related to mantis 7858 or even less to 7990.
2016-08-12 22:45 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  only reissue a kill if a update is for a deleted sog root part.
2016-08-12 22:45 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  avoid automatic packet spliting in GroupMembersReply
2016-08-12 22:45 <Ubit> well worked 
2016-08-12 22:47 <osmantis> Bug #7994:04 osTeleportAgent and osTeleportOwner no longer work with grid coordinates 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7994 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-12 22:47 <nebadon> :)
2016-08-12 23:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #4851 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-12 23:18 <osmantis> Bug #7994:04 osTeleportAgent and osTeleportOwner no longer work with grid coordinates 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7994 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-12 23:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4851: SUCCESS in 5 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4851/
2016-08-12 23:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add a missing cast to ulong in RegionGridLocToHandle (mantis: 7994)
2016-08-13 01:16 <osmantis> Bug #7993:04 After being HG for any extended time, on returning to home grid entire FL shows as "Unknown User" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7993 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-13 01:42 <osmantis> Bug #7994:04 osTeleportAgent and osTeleportOwner no longer work with grid coordinates 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7994 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-13 01:52 <osmantis> Bug #7994:04 osTeleportAgent and osTeleportOwner no longer work with grid coordinates 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7994 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-08-13 02:34 <osmantis> Bug #7990:04 Detached items become permanent corrupt when RLV/RLVa is enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7990 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-08-13 02:35 <osmantis> Bug #7990:04 Detached items become permanent corrupt when RLV/RLVa is enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7990 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-08-13 02:48 <Ubit> hmm not that sure 7990 is closed
2016-08-13 02:48 <Ubit> i mean fixed
2016-08-13 04:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #4852 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-13 04:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4852: SUCCESS in 5 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4852/
2016-08-13 04:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add some wiring to have GetUserAccounts for multiple IDs on a single request to grid services. Unfinished, untested
2016-08-13 16:14 <osmantis> Bug #7993:04 After being HG for any extended time, on returning to home grid entire FL shows as "Unknown User" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7993 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-13 16:14 <osmantis> Bug #7993:04 After being HG for any extended time, on returning to home grid entire FL shows as "Unknown User" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7993 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2016-08-13 22:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #4853 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-13 22:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4853: SUCCESS in 8 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4853/
2016-08-13 22:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove a parameter for detection of grid fail to suport getting multiple user accounts per call and handle it where needed.
2016-08-14 00:25 <osmantis> Bug #7893:04 [PATCH] Add regionID to data passed from SimulatorFeaturesModule to OnSimulatorFeaturesRequest event delegates 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7893 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-14 00:41 <osmantis> Bug #7888:04 Mesh objects not rendering due to thread safety issue in SimulatorFeaturesHelper.ShouldSend(AgentID) func 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7888 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-14 02:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #4854 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-08-14 03:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove OptionalModules\ViewerSupport\SimulatorFeaturesHelper ShouldSend() since it cannot be used
2016-08-14 03:36 <osmantis> Bug #7888:04 Mesh objects not rendering due to thread safety issue in SimulatorFeaturesHelper.ShouldSend(AgentID) func 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7888 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-14 03:49 <osmantis> Bug #7888:04 Mesh objects not rendering due to thread safety issue in SimulatorFeaturesHelper.ShouldSend(AgentID) func 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7888 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-14 17:33 <smxy> I really wish the estate creation and manipulation tools would get fixed. The Estate I made for my resident, by hand editing the database, seems to have somehow reverted to me being the owner. At least according to the viewer. It had said him, before.
2016-08-14 17:33 <smxy> I need to be able to make and manipulate these the right way. :(
2016-08-14 17:33 <Melanie_T> you misunderstand
2016-08-14 17:33 <Melanie_T> the estate is only visible in one place
2016-08-14 17:33 <Melanie_T> in all other places in the viewer you see the PARCEL ownership
2016-08-14 17:34 <Melanie_T> changing an estate owner will NOT change "about land"
2016-08-14 17:34 <Melanie_T> only the "Region/Estate" dialog's "Covenant" page shows the owner of the actual estate
2016-08-14 17:41 <smxy> I went to World Region Details and it says the Estate Owner at the top of that.
2016-08-14 17:42 <smxy> It used to say him there.
2016-08-14 17:42 <smxy> But you are correct that the covenant tab shows him.
2016-08-14 17:43 <smxy> In a field that is cleary named "Estate Owner:, it should say the actual estate's owner.
2016-08-14 17:43 <smxy> If it doesn't, that suggests OpenSim is doing something wrong.
2016-08-14 17:46 <smxy> Parcel details shows him as owner. So where is the region tab getting my name from, if it shows parcel owner everwhere except covenant page?
2016-08-14 17:46 <smxy> Maybe I need to change another spot in the DB.
2016-08-14 17:51 <smxy> Melanie_T: Okay, this is odd. There are two parcels on the region. One shows my resident as Estate owner, on the Region tab, the other shows me.
2016-08-14 17:51 <smxy> I'm sorry. Estate tab, not Region Tab.
2016-08-14 17:52 <Melanie_T> opensim "fudges" the estate ownership for god users
2016-08-14 17:52 <Melanie_T> for other users it's all normal
2016-08-14 17:52 <Melanie_T> but unless opensim shows a god user opening that dialog as the owner, the boxes stay dimmed and can't be changed
2016-08-14 17:52 <Melanie_T> that is a viewer issue 
2016-08-14 17:53 <Melanie_T> LL probably have other means of managing these settings
2016-08-14 17:53 <Melanie_T> so they don't need to be able to do it in the viewer
2016-08-14 17:53 <Melanie_T> but opensim doesn't have a sophisticated backoffice package
2016-08-14 17:53 <Melanie_T> so that way we enable the viewer controls for god users
2016-08-14 17:54 <smxy> Let me send a normal alt there and see what he sees.
2016-08-14 17:54 <Melanie_T> and also
2016-08-14 17:54 <Melanie_T> "about land" ha snothing to do with estates
2016-08-14 17:54 <smxy> right
2016-08-14 17:54 <Melanie_T> after changing an estate owner and restarting, you need to go to every parcel and "abandon" it
2016-08-14 17:54 <Melanie_T> which will revert it to the estate owner
2016-08-14 17:55 <Melanie_T> if you don't, the parcels will stay in your name
2016-08-14 17:55 <smxy> My resident did have one question that I didn;t know how to answer. His partner is an Estate Manager, but he can't alter Parcel settings. What needs to be done so that they both can do that?
2016-08-14 17:56 <smxy> They are in a group that the land is set to, but not deeded to
2016-08-14 18:02 <smxy> Okay, I see what you mean about god users.
2016-08-14 18:02 <smxy> My normal alt sees everything as I'd expect.
2016-08-14 18:03 <smxy> So first rule is if it doesn't look right, check with a puny alt. :)
2016-08-14 18:03 <Melanie_T> lol
2016-08-14 18:03 <smxy> What about my last question though? Is there a way for them both to be able to change the parcel settings?
2016-08-14 18:03 <Melanie_T> no
2016-08-14 18:04 <Melanie_T> again, what controls are actually available is controlled by viewer code
2016-08-14 18:04 <nebadon> I have this problem all the time
2016-08-14 18:04 <nebadon> my users always have god powers
2016-08-14 18:04 <nebadon> and im constantly battling with the non-god users stuff not working as expected
2016-08-14 18:04 <Melanie_T> the proper way to share control of a parcel is to deed it
2016-08-14 18:04 <nebadon> casue i test it with a user with god powers
2016-08-14 18:05 <smxy> deed it to group? Then what?
2016-08-14 18:05 <Melanie_T> SL also doesn't allow a way to delegate parcel settings to others
2016-08-14 18:05 <nebadon> i dont think you actually have to deed it
2016-08-14 18:05 <Melanie_T> once it's deeded, you can create a role in the group and assing the edit parcel settings to that role
2016-08-14 18:05 <Melanie_T> then add the user to the role
2016-08-14 18:05 <nebadon> you can just set it to group and use roles
2016-08-14 18:05 <Melanie_T> no
2016-08-14 18:05 <nebadon> deeding it complicates stuff cause you have to sell everything to group dont you
2016-08-14 18:05 <nebadon> ?
2016-08-14 18:06 <Melanie_T> roles work only on deeded land
2016-08-14 18:06 <nebadon> thats not true
2016-08-14 18:06 <nebadon> we use roles in Encitra grid
2016-08-14 18:06 <Melanie_T> check SL
2016-08-14 18:06 <nebadon> we dont deed anything
2016-08-14 18:06 <nebadon> well it may be true in SL
2016-08-14 18:06 <nebadon> but its not in opensim
2016-08-14 18:06 <Melanie_T> maybe the groups diva wrote are not patterned after SL
2016-08-14 18:06 <Melanie_T> in SL, setting a group confrs some set powers on the group members
2016-08-14 18:06 <Melanie_T> roles are ignored
2016-08-14 18:06 <nebadon> could be
2016-08-14 18:07 <nebadon> everything we do in encitra grid is based on role rules
2016-08-14 18:07 <smxy> I'm definitely using the internal v2 groups.
2016-08-14 18:07 <nebadon> and group access
2016-08-14 18:07 <nebadon> encitra is as well
2016-08-14 18:07 <nebadon> so it should work without deeding
2016-08-14 18:07 <Melanie_T> well, the viewer will not light up the parcel dialog when the land is only set to group
2016-08-14 18:07 <nebadon> give it a try
2016-08-14 18:07 <Melanie_T> it requires a deed
2016-08-14 18:07 <nebadon> you may have to enable admin mode
2016-08-14 18:07 <smxy> so if the land is set to a group they are both in, then all he needs to do is make a role tha can edit the parcel settings and add his partner to that role?
2016-08-14 18:08 <nebadon> as an estate manager
2016-08-14 18:08 <nebadon> if you dont enable admin mode
2016-08-14 18:08 <nebadon> stuff stays gray
2016-08-14 18:08 <Melanie_T> nebadon: the server side filters mirror the viewer side ones on parcel stuff
2016-08-14 18:08 <Melanie_T> that is because when the dialog is not lit up
2016-08-14 18:08 <Melanie_T> then the vaues are not sent along
2016-08-14 18:08 <Melanie_T> so if that weren't filtered, the server would set bogud values
2016-08-14 18:09 <Melanie_T> bogus
2016-08-14 18:09 <Melanie_T> one example
2016-08-14 18:09 <Melanie_T> you have two users, one is able to edit the "show in search" because he is the owner
2016-08-14 18:09 <Melanie_T> the other can, by virtue of group membership, set land access
2016-08-14 18:09 <Melanie_T> but can't show in search
2016-08-14 18:10 <Melanie_T> when he sets access, show in search will always be sent as false by the viewer despite it being turned on
2016-08-14 18:10 <Melanie_T> so if the server wouldn't filter, edits made by this second user would cause show in search to be cleared
2016-08-14 18:10 <Melanie_T> it happened in the wild in avination
2016-08-14 18:10 <Melanie_T> where actually even opening "about land" on a parcel you were only visiting would clear that parcel's show in search flag
2016-08-14 18:13 <smxy> Both of them are Owners in the group that the land is set to.
2016-08-14 18:14 <smxy> Yet only one can excercise all the role rights they have.
2016-08-14 18:14 <smxy> I just need to know how to make it so both can.
2016-08-14 18:14 <Melanie_T> that is as it should be
2016-08-14 18:14 <Melanie_T> thats LL's way
2016-08-14 18:14 <Melanie_T> deed the parcel is the canonical way
2016-08-14 18:14 <Melanie_T> and with 090 you can't use any admin mode hacks anymore
2016-08-14 18:15 <smxy> My grid's running 0.9
2016-08-14 18:15 <Melanie_T> so, no hacks for you
2016-08-14 18:15 <Melanie_T> now
2016-08-14 18:15 <Melanie_T> if the diva groups allow more freedom than the 100% SL compatible groups avination uses
2016-08-14 18:15 <Melanie_T> then you can go to admin mode with the other user
2016-08-14 18:16 <Melanie_T> and try to see if the settings are accepted by the server
2016-08-14 18:16 <smxy> How does the permission for them to go to admin mode get granted?
2016-08-14 18:16 <Melanie_T> the 0.9 code defers to the group and permissiosn module in that respect so it may be possible most settings work
2016-08-14 18:16 <Melanie_T> not real god mode
2016-08-14 18:16 <Melanie_T> there is an option "View admin options"
2016-08-14 18:16 <Melanie_T> also called "fake god mode" by some
2016-08-14 18:17 <Melanie_T> it lights up all the god accessible viewer fields
2016-08-14 18:17 <smxy> where is that option?
2016-08-14 18:17 <Melanie_T> in the debug menu
2016-08-14 18:17 <smxy> In FS do you mena Request Admin Status?
2016-08-14 18:17 <smxy> on dev menu
2016-08-14 18:17 <smxy> ?
2016-08-14 18:17 <Melanie_T> no. that is actual god mode
2016-08-14 18:18 <smxy> I don't see a debug menu
2016-08-14 18:18 <nebadon> i think its maybe ctrl+alt+v?
2016-08-14 18:18 <nebadon> for admin
2016-08-14 18:19 <Melanie_T> yes
2016-08-14 18:19 <Melanie_T> and ctrl-alt-shift-v to disable again
2016-08-14 18:19 <smxy> not on my Mac ...
2016-08-14 18:19 <nebadon> ah ya mac might be dif
2016-08-14 18:19 <smxy> I tried cmd instead of alt, no go.
2016-08-14 18:19 <Melanie_T> cmd-option-v?
2016-08-14 18:20 <smxy> tried that
2016-08-14 18:20 <Melanie_T> ctrl-option-v?
2016-08-14 18:20 <smxy> tried that
2016-08-14 18:20 <Melanie_T> the keyboard shortcut doesn't work if the debug module is not enabled
2016-08-14 18:20 <Melanie_T> that is done by ctrl-shift-d
2016-08-14 18:20 <nebadon> ya
2016-08-14 18:20 <Melanie_T> or cmd-shift-d on mac
2016-08-14 18:20 <nebadon> unfortunately the SL wiki only shows Windows shortcuts
2016-08-14 18:20 <smxy> command option v is fly override
2016-08-14 18:21 <Melanie_T> that is part of the admin options
2016-08-14 18:21 <Melanie_T> so yes that is what youre looking for
2016-08-14 18:21 <Melanie_T> it does much more than just override no-fly
2016-08-14 18:22 <smxy> how the hell is anyone supposed to know that overriding fly enables someother mysterious options?
2016-08-14 18:22 <nebadon> yea its the same as fly over ride
2016-08-14 18:22 <nebadon> technically fly over ride is really admin mode
2016-08-14 18:22 <nebadon> but most people only ever use it for fly over ride
2016-08-14 18:22 <nebadon> so it got dubbed fly override
2016-08-14 18:22 <nebadon> in SL like less than 1% of the population would have admin abilities
2016-08-14 18:23 <nebadon> its usually concierge level people / estate managers
2016-08-14 18:23 <nebadon> region owners etc..
2016-08-14 18:25 <Melanie_T> well, no
2016-08-14 18:25 <Melanie_T> admin == god was always reserved for linden labs employees under contract
2016-08-14 18:25 <Melanie_T> afaik not even anshe had god powers
2016-08-14 18:25 <Melanie_T> concierge level jst means you own a sim, you got estate powers out of it
2016-08-14 18:25 <smxy> So I tell the other person to try putting fly override on, and then see if he can change parcel settings? And if that doesn't work, they need to deed the land to the group? This shouldn't be a complicated thing to do ...
2016-08-14 18:25 <osmantis> Bug #7995:04 New OSSL function: osForceAttachToOtherAvatar(string  rawAvatarId, int attachmentPoint) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7995 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-14 18:26 <osmantis> Bug #7995:04 New OSSL function: osForceAttachToOtherAvatar(string  rawAvatarId, int attachmentPoint) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7995 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-08-14 18:26 <Melanie_T> but in SL's permissions landscape, that doesn't give you any rights that you could override except what every other user can - namely no-fly
2016-08-14 18:26 <nebadon> I thought as an estate / region owner admin let you have access to some extra stuff in SL
2016-08-14 18:27 <nebadon> but its been literally like 9 years since i had that level of access
2016-08-14 18:27 <nebadon> my memory is major fogged
2016-08-14 18:27 <nebadon> clouded with opensim abilities now lol
2016-08-14 18:27 <smxy> I really don't see what use being an estate manager is, if you can't even edit the parcel setting on parcels in that estate.
2016-08-14 18:27 <nebadon> you can
2016-08-14 18:27 <nebadon> with ctrl+alt+v
2016-08-14 18:28 <smxy> No, he can'r.
2016-08-14 18:28 <smxy> hmm
2016-08-14 18:28 <nebadon> right if you dont enable that you cant
2016-08-14 18:28 <nebadon> its a one time thing
2016-08-14 18:28 <nebadon> you dont have to do it everytime
2016-08-14 18:28 <Melanie_T> it's not inteded to be editied
2016-08-14 18:28 <nebadon> just enable it once
2016-08-14 18:28 <nebadon> it will stay enabled
2016-08-14 18:28 <Melanie_T> the estate manager is a trustee
2016-08-14 18:28 <Melanie_T> not a boss
2016-08-14 18:28 <Melanie_T> estate managers are not supposed to change what their tenants set
2016-08-14 18:28 <Melanie_T> that is the basic idea why sl did it this wy
2016-08-14 18:29 <smxy> then what's left for them to actually change/do?
2016-08-14 18:29 <Melanie_T> reclaim parcels and clean them, set the for sale again 
2016-08-14 18:29 <Melanie_T> manage the land rental
2016-08-14 18:29 <Melanie_T> that is the point of estate managers
2016-08-14 18:29 <Melanie_T> they are not level bosses
2016-08-14 18:30 <smxy> can the region owner change tenant's parcel settings?
2016-08-14 18:35 <smxy> Nice to see that parcel provacy finally works. :)
2016-08-14 18:35 <smxy> privacy
2016-08-14 18:36 <osmantis> Bug #7995:04 New OSSL function: osForceAttachToOtherAvatar(string  rawAvatarId, int attachmentPoint) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7995 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-14 18:36 <Melanie_T> no not even the region owner can
2016-08-14 18:36 <Melanie_T> if you rent an apartment, would you be happy if your landlord could come in at any time and change your curtains?
2016-08-14 18:37 <Melanie_T> your parcel settins are yours and the onl way to deal with restrictions is to write them into the covenant (like: No Banlines)
2016-08-14 18:37 <Melanie_T> and repossess/evict when tenants don't keep to the rules
2016-08-14 18:41 <osmantis> Bug #7995:04 New OSSL function: osForceAttachToOtherAvatar(string  rawAvatarId, int attachmentPoint) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7995 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-14 18:42 <osmantis> Bug #7995:04 New OSSL function: osForceAttachToOtherAvatar(string  rawAvatarId, int attachmentPoint) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7995 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-14 18:51 <osmantis> Bug #7995:04 New OSSL function: osForceAttachToOtherAvatar(string  rawAvatarId, int attachmentPoint) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7995 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-14 18:51 <Plugh> 
ACTION wonders what prompted the need for that os function. Too much chance of it being abused which may be why the threat level is VeryHigh.

2016-08-14 18:51 <Plugh> nebadon: Which version of groups is used in Encitra?
2016-08-14 18:51 <nebadon> we use core groups
2016-08-14 18:51 <Plugh> ok
2016-08-14 18:51 <nebadon> and Plugh that os function is for NPCs
2016-08-14 18:51 <nebadon> i think
2016-08-14 18:52 <nebadon> maybe for huds too?
2016-08-14 18:52 <nebadon> so you could say force a hud on someone as they entered a sim
2016-08-14 18:52 <Plugh> Don't know. The bug report doesn't mention a use case.
2016-08-14 18:52 <osmantis> Bug #7995:04 New OSSL function: osForceAttachToOtherAvatar(string  rawAvatarId, int attachmentPoint) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7995 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-14 18:53 <Plugh> It could be useful for a game region 
2016-08-14 18:53 <nebadon> yes
2016-08-14 18:53 <nebadon> I think thats the full purpose really
2016-08-14 18:53 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-08-14 18:53 <Melanie_T> you don't see my crying "NO WAY"
2016-08-14 18:54 <Melanie_T> because i do see where it is helpful to not break immersion with perms dialog
2016-08-14 18:54 <Plugh> Melanie_T: yea. I noticed that.
2016-08-14 18:54 <Melanie_T> in controlled circumstances
2016-08-14 18:54 <nebadon> yea opensim isnt limited to just replicating SL :)
2016-08-14 18:54 <nebadon> though dont they have some way to force huds on in SL now too?
2016-08-14 18:55 <Plugh> bbiab
2016-08-14 18:55 <nebadon> i vaguely remember hearing something about that while ago them making game regions or something
2016-08-14 18:55 <nebadon> probably fizzled out
2016-08-14 18:59 <smxy> They still haver them. A friend of mine was complaining to a Linden about how hard it was to get a sample of Dinosaur dna from the front or rear of a T-Rex, and apparently anoth linden heard about it and gave my friend a teddybear that's holding a big Q-Tip swap with one end covered in Dino poop. :p
2016-08-14 19:00 <smxy> swab*
2016-08-14 19:02 <Melanie_T> lol
2016-08-14 19:03 <smxy> Apparently there's a few Lindens left that still possess a sense of humor. :)
2016-08-14 19:04 <osmantis> Bug #7995:04 New OSSL function: osForceAttachToOtherAvatar(string  rawAvatarId, int attachmentPoint) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7995 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-14 19:05 <osmantis> Bug #7995:04 New OSSL function: osForceAttachToOtherAvatar(string  rawAvatarId, int attachmentPoint) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7995 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-14 19:46 <Mandarinka_T> Hello Melanie :) I admit that I do not know how to name it this function i have created. or maybe I could overload  = spread the defintion of classical osForceAttachToAvatar on case that I ahve implemented ? I need advice, i know how to code it but i do not know how to name it :)
2016-08-14 19:47 <Mandarinka_T> OtherAvatar was best for me, but you do not agree, so i need advice now
2016-08-14 20:32 <Melanie_T> Mandarinka_T: I'm not totaly aware what the difference between your new function and osForceAttachToAvatar is
2016-08-14 20:32 <Mandarinka_T> let me explain it here now:
2016-08-14 20:33 <Mandarinka_T> odl osForceAttachToAvatar has only one parameter:  int attachpoint and it makes object attach onyl to its owner
2016-08-14 20:33 <Mandarinka_T> so my idea is: to enhance it and to alow rezzed object be attached not only to owner
2016-08-14 20:34 <Mandarinka_T> but also to other avatar
2016-08-14 20:34 <Mandarinka_T> otheravatar = not owner of object
2016-08-14 20:34 <Mandarinka_T> so scenario is:
2016-08-14 20:35 <Mandarinka_T> Mandarinka puts obejct on the ground, Melanie comes and touches it and object attaches itself to MElanie
2016-08-14 20:35 <Melanie_T> there is a naming issue
2016-08-14 20:35 <Melanie_T> osForceAttachToAvatar should be osForceAttachToOwner
2016-08-14 20:35 <Melanie_T> and your should be osForceAttachToAvatar
2016-08-14 20:35 <Mandarinka_T> well but it was written in the past
2016-08-14 20:35 <Melanie_T> i know
2016-08-14 20:35 <Mandarinka_T> yes i agree
2016-08-14 20:35 <Mandarinka_T> so what now ?
2016-08-14 20:36 <Melanie_T> so i would say an overload is the best solution
2016-08-14 20:36 <Mandarinka_T> i see, but in thsi way, only you and me will know ab new function
2016-08-14 20:36 <Mandarinka_T> many ppl even do not notice existence of it
2016-08-14 20:36 <Melanie_T> that is for you to put into the wki
2016-08-14 20:36 <Melanie_T> "Other" has a secific meaning in the existing API
2016-08-14 20:37 <Mandarinka_T> but how ? i have not access to write , i see
2016-08-14 20:37 <Melanie_T> you can get an account 
2016-08-14 20:37 <Mandarinka_T> i see, ok then. i re-write it then, i use overloading and i try to update wiki
2016-08-14 20:38 <Melanie_T> just request a user account
2016-08-14 20:38 <Melanie_T> for the wiki
2016-08-14 20:38 <Mandarinka_T> i see ok )
2016-08-14 20:41 <Melanie_T> if you do it now i can approve you right away
2016-08-14 20:42 <Mandarinka_T> ok, one moment then )
2016-08-14 20:46 <Melanie_T> done
2016-08-14 20:47 <Mandarinka_T> Thank You )
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2016-08-14 22:34 <osmantis> Bug #7995:04 New OSSL function: osForceAttachToOtherAvatar(string  rawAvatarId, int attachmentPoint) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7995 ): has been ASSIGNED.
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2016-08-15 17:44 <osmantis> Bug #7888:04 Mesh objects not rendering due to thread safety issue in SimulatorFeaturesHelper.ShouldSend(AgentID) func 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7888 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-15 20:05 <Plugh> I have a module that does -> UserAccount account = scene.UserAccountService.GetUserAccount(...)
2016-08-15 20:06 <Plugh> But UserAccount is unknown. What 'using' statement do I need to use/add to define UserAccount?
2016-08-15 20:10 <Plugh> ok, nm. Turns out I had to include an external module reference to prebuild.xml
2016-08-15 20:41 <Ubit> using OpenSim.Services.Interfaces; ?
2016-08-15 20:59 <osmantis> Bug #7888:04 Mesh objects not rendering due to thread safety issue in SimulatorFeaturesHelper.ShouldSend(AgentID) func 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7888 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-15 21:15 <Plugh> Ubit: That was it. I had to add the using statement and update prebuild.xml
2016-08-15 21:16 <Plugh> I had forgotten that C# often needs an update to the prebuild file when adding new 'using' statements.
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2016-08-16 00:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4855: FAILURE in 1 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4855/
2016-08-16 00:53 <Ubit> you are so bad to me jenkis
2016-08-16 00:55 <Ubit> ERROR: Could not fetch from any repository
2016-08-16 00:55 <Ubit> FATAL: Could not fetch from any repository
2016-08-16 00:55 <Ubit> hudson.plugins.git.GitException: Could not fetch from any repository
2016-08-16 01:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #4856 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4854 1 day 22 hr ago)
2016-08-16 01:14 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-08-16 01:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4856: FIXED in 5 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4856/
2016-08-16 01:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix llVolumeDetect(FALSE) not working
2016-08-16 01:21 <nebadon> i retriggered it
2016-08-16 01:21 <Ubit> thx
2016-08-16 02:32 <osmantis> Bug #7996:04 Correction of misspelled message, that resident receives on  teleport to restricted destination. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7996 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-16 02:33 <osmantis> Bug #7996:04 Correction of misspelled message, that resident receives on  teleport to restricted destination. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7996 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-08-16 02:38 <osmantis> Bug #7997:04 Correction in osslEnable.ini for  osForceAttachToOtherAvatarFromInventory referring to its ThreatLevel. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7997 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-16 02:38 <osmantis> Bug #7997:04 Correction in osslEnable.ini for  osForceAttachToOtherAvatarFromInventory referring to its ThreatLevel. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7997 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-08-16 03:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #4857 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-08-16 03:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4857: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4857/
2016-08-16 03:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix misspelled message mantis: 7996
2016-08-16 03:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #4858 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-16 03:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4858: SUCCESS in 5 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4858/
2016-08-16 03:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  sync osForceAttachToOtherAvatarFromInventory thread level in code and in osslEnable.ini mantis: 7997
2016-08-16 04:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #4859 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-16 04:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4859: FAILURE in 5 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4859/
2016-08-16 04:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  libOMV PrimFlags.JointLP2P does not exist. Its bit now means
2016-08-16 04:12 <Ubit> JENKINS don't be bad
2016-08-16 04:13 <Ubit> bahh tests
2016-08-16 04:13 <Ubit> But was:  Phantom, JointLP2P
2016-08-16 04:13 <Ubit>  damm fool tests
2016-08-16 04:15 <Ubit> "Regression"  bahh
2016-08-16 04:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #4860 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4858 44 min ago)
2016-08-16 04:25 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-08-16 04:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4860: FIXED in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4860/
2016-08-16 04:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix tests acording
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2016-08-16 15:28 <osmantis> Bug #7960:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp() child prims not rezzing as part of hud 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7960 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-16 15:28 <osmantis> Bug #7960:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp() child prims not rezzing as part of hud 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7960 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-08-16 18:06 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid for those who want to drop by
2016-08-16 19:06 <nebadon> Melanie_T when you get a chance
2016-08-16 19:06 <nebadon> there is an OpenSimulator developers group on OSgrid
2016-08-16 19:06 <nebadon> and you are the only active owner, could you please make me "Nebadon Izumi" and "Andrew Hellershanks" group owners
2016-08-16 19:06 <nebadon> no rush, be nice to be able to get control of the group
2016-08-16 19:06 <nebadon> make new roles and titles
2016-08-16 20:40 <osmantis> Bug #7389:04 Teleports between 2 vars is broke for some AVs & TPs away from some vars to normal sim often causes long viewer freeze or crash. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7389 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-08-16 22:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #4861 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-08-16 22:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4861: SUCCESS in 7 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4861/
2016-08-16 22:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  drasticly reduce HG inventory caches Expire times, Remove them all onClientClose. This to avoid potencial desyncs with inventory service
2016-08-16 23:00 <Aramis^> Where was this when I was using SoftIce, Windasm etc?  WinDBG, IDA Pro and Immunity shortcuts, dec/hex/char chart, asm, registers, memory map, python:   https://eforensicsmag.com/reverse_engi_cheatsheet/
2016-08-17 04:14 <Mandarinka_T> Hi :) When I type: show asset <ID> in robust console, it shows me identical info about particular asset, twice. I use FSAssets, that is reason of double message ? also i use Fallbackservice connected to the same db. is there any way to make this asset's info shown only once ?
2016-08-17 04:46 <Ubit> for 3d glasses :p
2016-08-17 05:00 <Mandarinka_T> i can send you , nice 3d glasses, mesh ones :p, but asking seriously,now:
2016-08-17 05:01 <Mandarinka_T> i have set: LocalServiceModule = "OpenSim.Services.FSAssetService.dll:FSAssetConnector" and this:FallbackService = "OpenSim.Services.AssetService.dll:AssetService";   , that is reason that robust console shows asset info twice, when i type: show asset id ?
2016-08-17 05:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #4862 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-17 05:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4862: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4862/
2016-08-17 05:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add GetUsersNames(string[] ids) to UserManagement. Make GetDisplayNames cap use it so several IDs are handle on a single call. Since there is no grid side suport, no much gain still
2016-08-17 05:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #4863 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-17 05:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4863: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4863/
2016-08-17 05:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add GetMultiAccounts USER SERVICE HANDLER. UNTESTED !!!
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2016-08-17 19:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #4864 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-17 19:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4864: SUCCESS in 6 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4864/
2016-08-17 19:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  increase physics collisions report rate back to 20/s
2016-08-17 20:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #4865 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-17 20:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4865: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4865/
2016-08-17 20:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  remove some dead code
2016-08-17 21:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #4866 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-17 21:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4866: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4866/
2016-08-17 21:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubOde reduce collision_start latency in same cases (only one collision happening and more than 50ms since last)
2016-08-17 22:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #4867 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-17 22:33 <Ubit> uff i keep breaking this :p
2016-08-17 22:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4867: SUCCESS in 5 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4867/
2016-08-17 22:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix region Allow damage and parcel safe flags handling
2016-08-18 00:30 <zadark> Info: Testing commit 9f88273741cb (add GetMultiAccounts USER SERVICE HANDLER. UNTESTED).. during login all online (HG) friend agents identified as Unknown UserUMMAU43
2016-08-18 00:31 <Ubit> yeap thats the same as UserUMMAU42 in previus code
2016-08-18 00:32 <Ubit> think its like old code on that
2016-08-18 00:33 <zadark> Normally associate UserUMMAU42 (3) with agents ecountered visiting a foriegn grid, not on home grid. this is new
2016-08-18 00:33 <Ubit> but they are friends from other grids right?
2016-08-18 00:34 <zadark> yes as described above
2016-08-18 00:35 <Ubit> osgrid or own ?
2016-08-18 00:35 <zadark> own
2016-08-18 00:35 <Ubit> ok
2016-08-18 00:35 <Ubit> have large groups?
2016-08-18 00:35 <zadark> Test grid, robust with single region
2016-08-18 00:35 <zadark> no groups
2016-08-18 00:36 <Ubit> many friends ? :)
2016-08-18 00:36 <zadark> 30 ish
2016-08-18 00:36 <Ubit> the local ones show up ok ?
2016-08-18 00:37 <zadark> Test grid, no local friends
2016-08-18 00:37 <Ubit> oops so only UMM..43 :)
2016-08-18 00:37 <zadark> yes
2016-08-18 00:40 <Ubit> hmm in my test region i see
2016-08-18 00:40 <Ubit> 01:39:52 - [HGFRIENDS MODULE]: caching 2128dae5-c6f3.....
2016-08-18 00:41 <Ubit> before displaynames been uses
2016-08-18 00:41 <Ubit> used
2016-08-18 00:41 <zadark> Let me check console output 1 sec
2016-08-18 00:42 <zadark> 01:27:32 - [HGFRIENDS MODULE]: caching 8904e214-9de9-4e92-be8f-082ffa85ea1b;http://grid.atekgrid.com:8002/;Truelie Telling;d1c05d8b
2016-08-18 00:42 <zadark> This is one of the 30 ish
2016-08-18 00:42 <Ubit> ohh that should show up
2016-08-18 01:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #4868 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-18 01:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4868: SUCCESS in 5 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4868/
2016-08-18 01:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: in GetUsersNames(string[] ids) dont loose names HGFriends may have cached
2016-08-18 02:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #4869 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-18 02:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4869: SUCCESS in 5 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4869/
2016-08-18 02:52 <osjenkins> kevin: Fixed typo in two group messages
2016-08-18 03:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #4870 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-18 03:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4870: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4870/
2016-08-18 03:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: in GetUsersNames(string[] ids) why are empty names in cache? ignore them, cache also information found by GridUserService
2016-08-18 06:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #4871 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-18 06:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4871: SUCCESS in 5 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4871/
2016-08-18 06:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: several changes on BunchOfCaps. Move some mesh cost initialization to its class it, change caps path to be plain random UUID (except SEED)
2016-08-18 07:08 <osmantis> Bug #7998:04 OpenSim 0.9.x crashed during terrain sculpting and loosed terrain data 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7998 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-18 07:19 <ssm2017> hello. is it a normal behavior that when using "allow_regionless = true", the "save oar" command is available but not the "save iar" one ?
2016-08-18 07:24 <Ubit> yeack i dont have a 4096x4096 region
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2016-08-18 08:11 <Melanie_> ssm2017: for save iar you have to be in the region doing the save
2016-08-18 08:11 <Melanie_> ergo, no region, no iar
2016-08-18 08:13 <ssm2017> ok, so maybe "save oar" should be disabled too ? (there are maybe other priorities now)
2016-08-18 08:14 <Ubit> the region is there so oar can work
2016-08-18 08:14 <Ubit> for iar  YOU need to be there also :)
2016-08-18 08:14 <Melanie_> save oar is implemented in a different place
2016-08-18 08:14 <ssm2017> Ubit using "allow_regionless = true" allows the simulator to run without any region loaded
2016-08-18 08:16 <Ubit> err hmm
2016-08-18 08:19 <ssm2017> http://pastebin.com/raw/eXRCRPCK
2016-08-18 08:20 <ssm2017> oops
2016-08-18 08:22 <ssm2017> http://pastebin.com/raw/HC7BB5zz
2016-08-18 08:23 <ssm2017> i just wanted to know if this is a bug or not. now i know that this is not a bug. thank you for your attention
2016-08-18 11:17 <Ubit> err sorry ssm2017  busy breaking some code :(
2016-08-18 11:18 <Melanie_> did the code consent to be broken?
2016-08-18 11:18 <Ubit> i didn't ask :p
2016-08-18 11:18 <Melanie_> that is not politically correct
2016-08-18 11:18 <Ubit> its code.. not a girl :p
2016-08-18 11:18 <Melanie_> maybe it's girl code
2016-08-18 11:19 <ssm2017> +1
2016-08-18 11:19 <Ubit> hmm some does look like it is :)
2016-08-18 11:22 <Ubit> oops null ref
2016-08-18 11:22 <Ubit> :)
2016-08-18 11:22 <Melanie_> that's not girld code then :)
2016-08-18 11:47 <Ubit> cap not caps, is not in  grrr
2016-08-18 11:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #4872 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-18 11:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4872: SUCCESS in 6 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4872/
2016-08-18 11:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add caps HomeLocation ; add client SendAlertMessage(string message, string info), where info in info message field. only minimal testing done
2016-08-18 12:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #4873 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-18 12:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4873: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4873/
2016-08-18 12:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  allow  cap HomeLocation to be disabled setting Cap_HomeLocation = ""
2016-08-18 13:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #4874 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-18 13:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4874: SUCCESS in 5 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4874/
2016-08-18 13:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  avoid NULL refs
2016-08-18 19:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4875: FAILURE in 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4875/
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2016-08-18 21:41 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2016-08-18 23:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #4876 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4874 9 hr 41 min ago)
2016-08-18 23:17 <Ubit> hmm fail ?
2016-08-18 23:18 <Ubit> plugh ?
2016-08-18 23:19 <Plugh> Ubit: What's up?
2016-08-18 23:19 <Ubit> jenkins doesn't love you either
2016-08-18 23:20 <Plugh> aww
2016-08-18 23:20 <Plugh> Is there a problem with jenkins?
2016-08-18 23:22 <Ubit> let me see if my commit kicks it
2016-08-18 23:22 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-08-18 23:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4876: FIXED in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4876/
2016-08-18 23:22 <osjenkins> * kevin: Fixed grammer in a comment
2016-08-18 23:22 <osjenkins> * kevin: Collect any group join fees. Pass group name when applying join/create fees.
2016-08-18 23:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  missed another UserAccounts cache, add a few locks
2016-08-18 23:23 <Ubit> ok it did
2016-08-18 23:23 <Plugh> yay
2016-08-18 23:24 <Plugh> I wonder why it is so often having trouble pulling from the upstream repo
2016-08-18 23:46 <Melanie_T> Ubit: what is this about user account caches?
2016-08-18 23:47 <Ubit> some 3 or so
2016-08-18 23:47 <Melanie_T> yes i do recall they're cached aggressively
2016-08-18 23:47 <Melanie_T> because they're used a lot
2016-08-18 23:47 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-18 23:48 <Ubit> well changing that will that open eyes :)
2016-08-18 23:48 <Ubit> will take..
2016-08-18 23:48 <Ubit> info is small  but can be a lot and large expire
2016-08-18 23:49 <Ubit> 4000 entries only looking to a "small" osg group :)
2016-08-19 01:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #4877 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-08-19 01:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4877: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4877/
2016-08-19 01:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add cap GroupMemberData
2016-08-19 01:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #4878 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-19 01:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4878: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4878/
2016-08-19 01:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  catch some NULL refs
2016-08-19 13:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #4879 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-19 13:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4879: SUCCESS in 6 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4879/
2016-08-19 13:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do not enqueue next event processing if script is in SelfDelete state
2016-08-19 15:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #4880 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-08-19 15:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  avoid telling a work job to cancel itself
2016-08-19 16:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #4881 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-08-19 16:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix updates resend by reEnqueing, that got broken down the line
2016-08-19 16:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #4882 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-19 17:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4882: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4882/
2016-08-19 17:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: on object delete send a direct kill and a delayed one via updates queue, Until we find why some are missing, (if its not by udp nature). also remove redundant avatar stands
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2016-08-19 20:17 <djphil> Hi, anyone know where i can set tweeter, facebook, flirck account in FS viewer ?
2016-08-19 20:17 <djphil> I can't set my personnal account ... result > no work :s
2016-08-19 20:17 <Ubit> guess they mainly look to their jira
2016-08-19 20:17 <djphil> is a bug ?
2016-08-19 20:18 <Ubit> hm you may say so lol
2016-08-19 20:18 <djphil> i search on web, on SL website and FS website wiki ... but no found
2016-08-19 20:18 <Ubit> they aren't easy to reach
2016-08-19 20:18 <Ubit> hide behind the helpers  Jira etc
2016-08-19 20:19 <djphil> there is an irc channel I think ..
2016-08-19 20:22 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-19 20:22 <Ubit> silence room :)
2016-08-19 20:23 <Ubit>  #phoenixviewer-dev
2016-08-19 20:24 <djphil> yeap, i'm on phoenixviewer
2016-08-19 20:24 <djphil> lets me try dev channel too :p
2016-08-19 20:25 <djphil> hehe Ubit is there :p
2016-08-19 20:26 <Ubit> went to check the channel name lol
2016-08-19 20:30 <Ubit> diva dancing in irc :)
2016-08-19 20:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #4883 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-19 20:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4883: SUCCESS in 5 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4883/
2016-08-19 20:36 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  on sog unlink loose the reference to the deleted physics actor
2016-08-19 20:36 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix ubOde prims unlink that got broken fixing sleeping bodies collisions, core removes and adds a prim with same LocalID not giving time for physics to actuly delete, so when it did it LocalID was lost
2016-08-19 22:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #4884 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-08-19 22:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix physics sits on child prims
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2016-08-20 01:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #4885 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-08-20 01:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix GetLandData(...) in land connectors not suporting large regions
2016-08-20 11:25 <osmantis> Bug #7858:04 llDie() leaves prim in region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7858 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-08-20 13:34 <smxy> Ubit: May I just say that I'm glad no one is rushing a 0.9 release, and that all your work will make it a better one, when it is. Thanks.
2016-08-20 14:15 <Plugh> When I get back from having breakfast I need to diagnose a strange problem. touch_start() doesn't work for someone other than the object owner when the event handler is in a different state from 'default'.
2016-08-20 14:42 <Plugh> I'm back
2016-08-20 17:01 <osmantis> Bug #7981:04 New Feature - Create user appearance from model avatar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7981 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-08-20 19:27 <Ubit> don't see why a smoke particle gets gen when i touch a object that is not mine also
2016-08-20 19:27 <Ubit> odd
2016-08-20 19:28 <Ubit> ( but can be viewer side )
2016-08-20 19:29 <Ubit> your looking into touch "wiring" Plugh ?
2016-08-20 19:29 <Ubit> (btw several avn changes on that )
2016-08-20 19:32 <Plugh> Ubit: I will be. I don't know why there would have been a change in touch behaviour.
2016-08-20 19:32 <Ubit> ohh several was needed
2016-08-20 19:32 <Plugh> I was wondering if anyone else might have seen a problem with touch.
2016-08-20 19:33 <Plugh> oh, ok. 
2016-08-20 19:33 <Ubit> filters Pass things   etc
2016-08-20 19:33 <Ubit> but with merge etc..  well shit happens :)
2016-08-20 19:33 <Plugh> Getting it fixed is rather important. It will affect a lot of people with vendors that use touch to get info notecards, for example.
2016-08-20 19:34 <Plugh> yea, indeed it does.
2016-08-20 20:52 <osmantis> Bug #7999:04 LlSetLinkTextureFast not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7999 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-20 21:30 <osmantis> Bug #8000:04 Classifieds update charges via economy module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8000 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-20 21:30 <osmantis> Bug #8000:04 Classifieds update charges via economy module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8000 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-08-20 21:43 <ssm2017> wao, good news :) thank you melanie for merging it
2016-08-20 21:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #4886 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-20 21:44 <osmantis> Bug #7981:04 New Feature - Create user appearance from model avatar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7981 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-08-20 21:45 <osmantis> Bug #8000:04 Classifieds update charges via economy module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8000 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-08-20 21:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4886: SUCCESS in 6 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4886/
2016-08-20 21:49 <osjenkins> melanie: Allow creation of user appearance from a model avatar. Thank you,
2016-08-20 21:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #4887 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-20 21:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4887: SUCCESS in 5 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4887/
2016-08-20 21:55 <osjenkins> melanie: Mantis #8000, don't charge for updating classifieds. Thanks, Cinder!
2016-08-20 22:06 <osmantis> Bug #8001:04 BMP 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8001 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-20 22:06 <osmantis> Bug #8001:04 BMP 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8001 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-08-20 22:28 <osmantis> Bug #8001:04 BMP 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8001 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-20 22:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #4888 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-08-20 22:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4888: SUCCESS in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4888/
2016-08-20 22:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix llCollisionSound("",0.0) not disabling sounds BUT let llCollisionSound("",value [<=1.0]) play default sounds with selected volume. I really don't care if last part is not like SL
2016-08-20 23:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #4889 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-08-20 23:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  make the case llCollisionSound("",1.0) more clear its retunring to default sounds, ie like a prim that never had this funtion called.
2016-08-20 23:20 <osmantis> Bug #8001:04 BMP 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8001 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-20 23:20 <osmantis> Bug #8001:04 BMP 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8001 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-20 23:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #4890 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-08-20 23:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix terrain BMP image format on SaveStream mantis: 8001
2016-08-20 23:37 <osmantis> Bug #7999:04 LlSetLinkTextureFast not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7999 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-20 23:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #4891 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-20 23:59 <Ubit> i had the ideia i did fixed this before... 
2016-08-20 23:59 <Ubit> well whatever
2016-08-21 00:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4891: SUCCESS in 5 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4891/
2016-08-21 00:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix llSetText utf8 string size cliping
2016-08-21 01:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #4892 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-21 01:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4892: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4892/
2016-08-21 01:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  limit the scan of terrain EnforceEstateLimits to the area changed.
2016-08-21 01:29 <osmantis> Bug #8002:04 Enhancing the Cinder's offer for creating user with optional  string model in robust console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8002 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-21 01:29 <osmantis> Bug #8002:04 Enhancing the Cinder's offer for creating user with optional  string model in robust console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8002 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-08-21 02:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #4893 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-21 02:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4893: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4893/
2016-08-21 02:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  partially apply patch in mantis 8002
2016-08-21 02:12 <nebadon> Ubit ping
2016-08-21 02:12 <Ubit> yes?
2016-08-21 02:12 <nebadon> danbanner upgraded OSgrid robust and we could not log in
2016-08-21 02:12 <nebadon> its reverted now
2016-08-21 02:13 <Ubit> damm
2016-08-21 02:13 <nebadon> for me on Singularity
2016-08-21 02:13 <nebadon> i got a box pop up that said "OK"
2016-08-21 02:13 <nebadon> and had a close button
2016-08-21 02:13 <Ubit> now.. what broke it?
2016-08-21 02:13 <nebadon> no freakin clue
2016-08-21 02:14 <nebadon> i dont think there was any errors on robust
2016-08-21 02:14 <Ubit> hmm my region also failed to load.. not sure if related or jsut bc grid was down
2016-08-21 02:14 <nebadon> unless danbanner caught something i missed
2016-08-21 02:14 <nebadon> we did restart a few times
2016-08-21 02:14 <nebadon> we upgraded, it failed, we reverted
2016-08-21 02:14 <danbanner> no all looked normal except viewer sisnt login
2016-08-21 02:14 <nebadon> we upgraded one more time to be sure
2016-08-21 02:15 <nebadon> and it failed again
2016-08-21 02:15 <danbanner> didnt even
2016-08-21 02:15 <Ubit> ok so blind hunt for the bug :)
2016-08-21 02:15 <Ubit> what is the version in use ?
2016-08-21 02:16 <Ubit> commit number i mean
2016-08-21 02:16 <Ubit> in use == the one that works :)
2016-08-21 02:16 <nebadon> abf423e
2016-08-21 02:16 <nebadon> is the partial hash of current one
2016-08-21 02:17 <Ubit> err date?
2016-08-21 02:17 <nebadon> the folder creation date is 7/12
2016-08-21 02:18 <Ubit> * be nicer to PIs (actually linux)
2016-08-21 02:19 <Ubit> well think only change on grid was the get user accounts.. but..
2016-08-21 02:19 <nebadon> ya probably not or you would have asked us to upgrade sooner im sure :)
2016-08-21 02:20 <danbanner> http://danbanner.onikenkon.com/screen/Image1471745847.png
2016-08-21 02:20 <danbanner> is what i got
2016-08-21 02:20 <nebadon> same here
2016-08-21 02:22 <Ubit> can we do a kind of bin search to pin point the issue�
2016-08-21 02:23 <Ubit> well let me browse commits first
2016-08-21 02:23 <nebadon> not sure i understand what you mean bin search
2016-08-21 02:23 <nebadon> but if you tell us how im sure we can :)
2016-08-21 02:23 <Ubit> fire other commits
2016-08-21 02:24 <Ubit> between last good and recent
2016-08-21 02:24 <Ubit> bin == binary search is a possible method 
2016-08-21 02:24 <Ubit> ( cut intervals by half on each test )
2016-08-21 02:25 <nebadon> ya bisect
2016-08-21 02:25 <Plugh> nebadon: You going to give that a go on your Pi?  ;)
2016-08-21 02:25 <nebadon> already did 
2016-08-21 02:25 <nebadon> while ago
2016-08-21 02:25 <Plugh> oh, ok
2016-08-21 02:26 <Plugh> I thought it might be rather slow trying to do that on a Pi.
2016-08-21 02:26 <nebadon> Ubit one thing we forgot to mention
2016-08-21 02:26 <nebadon> danbanner was able to log in once
2016-08-21 02:26 <nebadon> when he restarted it
2016-08-21 02:26 <nebadon> then it died
2016-08-21 02:27 <nebadon> but danbanner just said too that not all the consoles were restarted yet
2016-08-21 02:27 <nebadon> thinks that it started after he restarted the presence servers
2016-08-21 02:27 <nebadon> we have 3 of those
2016-08-21 02:31 <Ubit> can you try SHA-1: 72876fc68385861e06fd900707c3a7c28d040a7d
2016-08-21 02:31 <Ubit> *  drasticly reduce HG inventory caches Expire times, Remove them all onClientClose. This to avoid potencial desyncs with inventory service
2016-08-21 02:35 <danbanner> ya hang on
2016-08-21 02:35 <nebadon> sorry stepped away a second, danbanner are you doing that?
2016-08-21 02:35 <nebadon> ok cool
2016-08-21 02:39 <danbanner> not working
2016-08-21 02:39 <Ubit> ohh its before that?
2016-08-21 02:39 <nebadon> must be
2016-08-21 02:43 <danbanner> let me try that version again
2016-08-21 02:43 <danbanner> hang on
2016-08-21 02:43 <Ubit> ok
2016-08-21 02:48 <danbanner> ya not working
2016-08-21 02:48 <Ubit> andnothing on consoles.. etc
2016-08-21 02:49 <danbanner> 19:49:32 - [PRESENCE SERVICE]: LoginAgent: session de7be95e-1ccb-476b-89b9-4289224c6959, user 2293f5f9-3dc0-4f5f-8403-bba9bdfe4c8a, region 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000, secure session e3
2016-08-21 02:51 <Ubit> nice region id
2016-08-21 02:52 <danbanner> supposed to be lbsa
2016-08-21 02:52 <nebadon> Isle of Null
2016-08-21 02:52 <danbanner> lol
2016-08-21 02:52 <nebadon> lol
2016-08-21 02:53 <danbanner> whats this secure session stuff?
2016-08-21 02:53 <danbanner> https?
2016-08-21 02:57 <Ubit> well that is odd but region is set as uuid.zero
2016-08-21 02:58 <Ubit> also on 0.8.2
2016-08-21 02:59 <Ubit> all that file is as 0.8.2
2016-08-21 03:00 <Ubit> ( PresenceService.cs)
2016-08-21 03:00 <Ubit> err but base is not
2016-08-21 03:05 <Ubit> neb 
2016-08-21 03:05 <Ubit> SHA-1: 90b899c4e4be9c87675dc373c7d8eccd1ac1e75d
2016-08-21 03:06 <Ubit> *  do not try to cache same asset twice with hg enabled
2016-08-21 03:06 <Ubit>  ?
2016-08-21 03:08 <Ubit> btw you are testing from master, not httptests right ? :)
2016-08-21 03:31 <nebadon> yea its master Ubit not httptests
2016-08-21 03:31 <Ubit> had to ask :)
2016-08-21 03:54 <misterblue> are the requests also going through the nginx reverse proxy setup? that could also be adding a difference... although, not many people are running Robust so there wouldn't ba a lot of complaints
2016-08-21 03:55 <Ubit> they are
2016-08-21 03:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #4894 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-21 04:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4894: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4894/
2016-08-21 04:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  in HGAssetBroker do cache all if asset id changed
2016-08-21 05:04 <Ubit> well my tiny 2 users 1 group  grid seems working fine
2016-08-21 05:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #4895 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-21 05:49 <Ubit> from... not for
2016-08-21 05:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4895: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4895/
2016-08-21 05:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  remove region combine option (mega region) for config ini files
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2016-08-21 10:50 <Murf> hi all, when I load an oar into opensim when conencted to metaversum, I get all these sqlite errors, any ideas please?    [SCENE]: Storing of autumn fern 2, d410c0fc-8a78-4b20-a215-a83ae1c5d147 in ThisPlace failed with exception SQLite error table prims has no column named MediaURL
2016-08-21 10:57 <Melanie_T> Murf, if this is a fresh install with new database tables, then there is an issue with Migrations and a Mantis should be filed
2016-08-21 10:57 <Melanie_T> if the SQLite (.db) files are from an older install, then that simply isn't going to work
2016-08-21 10:57 <Melanie_T> if you don't care what is on the regions and just want to reload, delete your .db files to start over and load oar
2016-08-21 10:57 <Melanie_T> you may want to be a bit more discerning
2016-08-21 10:58 <Melanie_T> like deleting your prims but not your users
2016-08-21 10:58 <Melanie_T> they're al different .db files so that is possible
2016-08-21 10:58 <Melanie_T> opensim will recreate missing files on start IIRC
2016-08-21 10:58 <Murf> hmm ok, I thought I did that but I will try again thanks Mel
2016-08-21 10:58 <Melanie_T> but i'm no specialist on sqlite
2016-08-21 11:11 <Murf> Thanks Melanie_T it worked :)
2016-08-21 11:11 <Melanie_T> :)
2016-08-21 11:11 <Melanie_T> you're welcome
2016-08-21 12:40 <osmantis> Bug #8003:04 [OS FUNCTION IMPROVEMENT REQUEST] osForceCreateLink work slowly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8003 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-08-21 14:41 <Ubit> ping dan, neb
2016-08-21 18:50 <danbanner> pong ubit
2016-08-21 18:55 <Ubit> hi dan
2016-08-21 18:55 <Ubit> when can we debug the robust issue?
2016-08-21 18:56 <danbanner> hey ubit 
2016-08-21 18:57 <danbanner> what do you have in mind?
2016-08-21 18:57 <Ubit> i can't find any odd code
2016-08-21 18:57 <Ubit> so we need to try several commits :(
2016-08-21 18:57 <Ubit> biset ?
2016-08-21 18:57 <danbanner> okay
2016-08-21 18:58 <Ubit> let me just push a code change
2016-08-21 18:58 <danbanner> ok
2016-08-21 19:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #4896 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-21 19:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4896: SUCCESS in 6 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4896/
2016-08-21 19:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  remove sceneGraph MoveObject and make it part of ProcessObjectGrabUpdate ( scene.PacketHandlers) where it belongs
2016-08-21 19:14 <Ubit> well not sure ProcessObjectGrab** do belong to packetHandlers or sceneGraph :)
2016-08-21 19:14 <Ubit> but that exec code does belong to ProcessObjectGrabUpdate
2016-08-21 19:16 <Ubit> and not hidden on a multidelegate ofuscating mess
2016-08-21 19:17 <Ubit> hmm guess only my cats are listening to me..  :p
2016-08-21 19:18 <Ubit> damm not even those.. they walked away
2016-08-21 19:47 <Melanie_T> lol
2016-08-21 19:47 <Melanie_T> meow
2016-08-21 19:47 <Ubit> :)
2016-08-21 19:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #4897 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-21 19:54 <Ubit> so we do need to work again on the httptests branch to make keepalives safe
2016-08-21 19:54 <Ubit> bc the damm ngblabla  seems to want them
2016-08-21 19:54 <nebadon> hey
2016-08-21 19:55 <nebadon> so you guys figured it out?
2016-08-21 19:55 <danbanner> ya
2016-08-21 19:55 <danbanner> resp.ReuseContext = false;
2016-08-21 19:55 <Melanie_T> why do you consider reuseing a context dangerous?
2016-08-21 19:55 <nebadon> cool
2016-08-21 19:55 <Ubit> ngblabla issue again as you suspected
2016-08-21 19:55 <danbanner> caused the issue
2016-08-21 19:55 <nebadon> :)
2016-08-21 19:55 <Ubit> bc that is brokne on the httpserver
2016-08-21 19:55 <nebadon> i kind of figured
2016-08-21 19:55 <nebadon> it looked the same as last time
2016-08-21 19:56 <danbanner> brb im gonna do a new build to test head
2016-08-21 19:56 <nebadon> kk
2016-08-21 19:57 <Ubit> well not really testing changes on robust code :)
2016-08-21 19:57 <Ubit> ...now..
2016-08-21 19:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4897: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4897/
2016-08-21 19:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  put back the dangerous resp.ReuseContext = true option, that for some odd reason OSgrid nginx configuration seems to need
2016-08-21 20:04 <danbanner> updated and logged in fine
2016-08-21 20:04 <Ubit> ok
2016-08-21 20:04 <Ubit> changes where mainly on code related to getdisplaynames
2016-08-21 20:05 <danbanner> ok
2016-08-21 20:08 <Ubit> well and new createuser code
2016-08-21 20:11 <Ubit> names seems working
2016-08-21 20:11 <Ubit> clear viewer cache 
2016-08-21 20:11 <Ubit> they should show up fine 
2016-08-21 20:11 <Ubit> ( friends lists, group profiles..)
2016-08-21 20:12 <Ubit> and no Slow http blabla on region console
2016-08-21 20:12 <Ubit> i hope
2016-08-21 20:12 <Ubit> ( but group profiles still slow :) )
2016-08-21 20:13 <Ubit> 21:13:00 - [LOGHTTP]: Slow handling of 592 POST /CAPS/ce936c38-6119-4753-9138-0d
2016-08-21 20:13 <Ubit> a46c0c8280 GroupMemberData  from 188.82.77.17:61299 took 17644ms
2016-08-21 20:13 <Ubit> ufff
2016-08-21 20:13 <Ubit> a few 4200 users 17secs
2016-08-21 20:14 <danbanner> better than it was huh?
2016-08-21 20:14 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-21 20:14 <Ubit> don't see the slow handlind on names
2016-08-21 20:14 <Ubit> ( was bad..  some cases 100s
2016-08-21 20:15 <Ubit> UMM43 as i said is same as UMM42
2016-08-21 20:15 <Ubit> just using the get multiple names path
2016-08-21 20:15 <Ubit> while 42 is the one by one path
2016-08-21 20:15 <Ubit> ( needed elsewhere of course )
2016-08-21 20:16 <Ubit> this GroupMemberData   is  region side
2016-08-21 20:16 <Ubit> just getting info about 4200 groups members takes time
2016-08-21 20:18 <Ubit> hmm it does take time 
2016-08-21 20:19 <Ubit> well the udp it replaces also took time.. just no debug info on it
2016-08-21 20:19 <Ubit> but this may break on a 8000  members group
2016-08-21 20:26 <Ubit> grr
2016-08-21 20:26 <Ubit> FS after login ( possible other time) does a mess on group profiles
2016-08-21 20:26 <Ubit> asks for group UUID.Zero
2016-08-21 21:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #4898 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-21 21:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4898: SUCCESS in 5 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4898/
2016-08-21 21:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add a missing lock()
2016-08-21 22:35 <osmantis> Bug #8004:04 Scripts sometimes take a long time to load on region cross/teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8004 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2016-08-21 22:43 <osmantis> Bug #8004:04 Scripts sometimes take a long time to load on region cross/teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8004 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-21 22:44 <osmantis> Bug #7999:04 LlSetLinkTextureFast not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7999 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-08-21 22:46 <osmantis> Bug #8004:04 Scripts sometimes take a long time to load on region cross/teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8004 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-21 22:47 <osmantis> Bug #7999:04 LlSetLinkTextureFast not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7999 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-21 22:48 <osmantis> Bug #8004:04 Scripts sometimes take a long time to load on region cross/teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8004 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-21 22:49 <osmantis> Bug #8004:04 Scripts sometimes take a long time to load on region cross/teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8004 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-21 22:54 <osmantis> Bug #8004:04 Scripts sometimes take a long time to load on region cross/teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8004 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-21 22:57 <osmantis> Bug #8004:04 Scripts sometimes take a long time to load on region cross/teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8004 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-21 23:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #4899 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-21 23:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4899: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4899/
2016-08-21 23:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  (re)fix avatar standup from a child prim on object delete
2016-08-22 00:23 <H-H-H> can anyone tell me how i can read the contents of a packet that is sent from viewer to sim?
2016-08-22 00:24 <Ubit> outch :)
2016-08-22 01:36 <w-t-h> H-H-H, wireshark?
2016-08-22 02:42 <Aramis^> maybe http://lib.openmetaverse.co/wiki/GridProxy
2016-08-22 02:43 <Aramis^> and he snuck out lol
2016-08-22 02:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #4900 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-22 03:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4900: SUCCESS in 5 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4900/
2016-08-22 03:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: workaround potencial memory leaks
2016-08-22 03:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #4901 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-08-22 03:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: workaround potencial memory leak
2016-08-22 04:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #4902 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-08-22 04:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: workaround potencial memory leak
2016-08-22 05:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #4903 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-22 05:07 <nebadon> Ubit right now > http://blogs-images.forbes.com/sarazervos/files/2016/01/plug-dam.png
2016-08-22 05:08 <Ubit> outch 
2016-08-22 05:08 <nebadon> lol
2016-08-22 05:08 <Ubit> you found mu glasses!!!
2016-08-22 05:08 <Ubit> lol
2016-08-22 05:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4903: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4903/
2016-08-22 05:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: workaround potencial memory leaks
2016-08-22 05:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #4904 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-22 05:09 <Ubit> btw this last one was a robust change
2016-08-22 05:09 <nebadon> ah ok
2016-08-22 05:09 <Ubit> but minor
2016-08-22 05:09 <Ubit> only adding a using(.. )
2016-08-22 05:09 <nebadon> i just updated all my regions
2016-08-22 05:10 <nebadon> well not the pi yet
2016-08-22 05:10 <nebadon> i'll do that tomorrow im done for the night updating
2016-08-22 05:10 <Ubit> dan had just made the new osg bin release and i fixed 2 bugs :)
2016-08-22 05:10 <nebadon> hehe
2016-08-22 05:11 <nebadon> i remember the days when i was doing 2-3 osgrid releases a day
2016-08-22 05:11 <nebadon> fun times
2016-08-22 05:11 <Ubit> well those where low probabilty ones
2016-08-22 05:11 <Ubit> like deleting a prim with someone sitting on it
2016-08-22 05:11 <Ubit> who ever does such a thing ?
2016-08-22 05:11 <Ubit> ;)
2016-08-22 05:11 <nebadon> hehe
2016-08-22 05:12 <nebadon> i accidently deleted the moon couch at a WP meeting once
2016-08-22 05:12 <nebadon> that was fun
2016-08-22 05:12 <nebadon> with like 14 people sitting on it
2016-08-22 05:12 <nebadon> lol
2016-08-22 05:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4904: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4904/
2016-08-22 05:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: workaround potencial memory leak
2016-08-22 05:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #4905 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-08-22 05:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: workaround potencial memory leak
2016-08-22 05:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #4906 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-08-22 05:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor locking issue
2016-08-22 05:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #4907 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-08-22 05:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: locking issue
2016-08-22 06:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #4908 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-08-22 06:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor locking issue
2016-08-22 06:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #4909 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-08-22 06:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: locking issue
2016-08-22 06:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #4910 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-08-22 06:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove unnecessary lock
2016-08-22 06:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #4911 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-22 06:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4911: SUCCESS in 5 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4911/
2016-08-22 06:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor locking issue
2016-08-22 06:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #4912 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-22 07:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4912: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4912/
2016-08-22 07:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: locking issue
2016-08-22 07:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #4913 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-22 07:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4913: SUCCESS in 5 min 36 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4913/
2016-08-22 07:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: workaround potencial memory leak
2016-08-22 07:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #4914 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-22 07:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4914: FAILURE in 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4914/
2016-08-22 07:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: workaround potencial memory leak
2016-08-22 07:26 <Ubit> ohh nice
2016-08-22 07:33 <Ubit> so MS does not want a argument, mono wants one
2016-08-22 07:33 <Ubit> grrrr
2016-08-22 07:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #4915 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4913 23 min ago)
2016-08-22 07:42 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-08-22 07:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4915: FIXED in 6 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4915/
2016-08-22 07:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: try to make mono happy
2016-08-22 19:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #4916 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-08-22 19:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4916: SUCCESS in 7 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4916/
2016-08-22 19:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change ODEs topcolliders code ( still bad), plus a few memory leaks
2016-08-22 19:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #4917 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-22 19:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4917: FAILURE in 5 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4917/
2016-08-22 19:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change strange rotation in legacy MapImageModule (untested)
2016-08-22 19:51 <Melanie_T> Ubit: I believe that strange rotation stuff is a leftover from where we used Axiom.Math
2016-08-22 19:52 <Melanie_T> back then we had the libOMV quaternion and the Axiom quaternion and to convert one to the other one had to go by new and using components
2016-08-22 19:53 <Melanie_T> i think that was one of the cases where one was converted to the other and when we dropped axiom it was just changed without reading the code
2016-08-22 19:53 <Melanie_T> search/replace style
2016-08-22 19:53 <Ubit> yeap possible
2016-08-22 19:55 <Ubit> most likelly actually one was names llrot that converted to something with W in another place
2016-08-22 19:56 <Ubit> typical on diferent math libs
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2016-08-23 09:28 <Toso82> hi all
2016-08-23 09:30 <Toso82> i tray to configurare the last version of dev opensim to use SQL Server 2016 but i don't undestand what is wrong can someone help me please
2016-08-23 10:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #4918 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4916 14 hr ago)
2016-08-23 10:08 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-08-23 10:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4918: FIXED in 6 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4918/
2016-08-23 10:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  replace warp3D.dll by a newer modified version. (only minor testing done :(
2016-08-23 10:08 <Ubit> err it did fail ?
2016-08-23 10:11 <danbanner> idk, it looks confused
2016-08-23 10:12 <Ubit> yeap i didn't change previus code
2016-08-23 10:12 <Ubit> i think :)
2016-08-23 10:15 <AliciaRaven> was commit from last night failed
2016-08-23 10:31 <Ubit> well think i didn't change that code and now passed
2016-08-23 10:31 <Ubit> hmm and now lets see if ppl still have maps with warp3d :)
2016-08-23 10:39 <Toso82> Why after restart of region stop to load texture?
2016-08-23 10:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #4919 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-08-23 10:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4919: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4919/
2016-08-23 10:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  coment some debug messages
2016-08-23 12:05 <Toso82> no one give explain me why after a restar of region not load texture?
2016-08-23 12:21 <Toso82> i must to on off simulator to restart to load correct why?
2016-08-23 14:47 <djphil> ping Melanie_T : Hi, one question. This patch http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7981 don't requiere any wiki update ?
2016-08-23 14:47 <djphil> i see any change @ http://opensimulator.org/wiki/RemoteAdmin
2016-08-23 14:47 <Melanie_T> it really needs a whole new wiki page
2016-08-23 14:48 <Melanie_T> what it does it to port the framework for remote admin calls into the robust shell
2016-08-23 14:48 <Melanie_T> so grid services can now also be controlled using web services
2016-08-23 14:48 <djphil> I would like to test this long because I brought a mantis to say that the create user command was not working properly for me
2016-08-23 14:48 <Melanie_T> i expect a lot of functionality to be added to that
2016-08-23 14:48 <Melanie_T> so it warrants it's own page
2016-08-23 14:48 <H-H-H> interesting lol something long needed imho :)
2016-08-23 14:49 <Melanie_T> don't forget, if you're in grid mode you can NOT use create user on a region console
2016-08-23 14:49 <Melanie_T> you MUST use it on robust
2016-08-23 14:49 <djphil> why only on robust ? why only in grid mode ?
2016-08-23 14:50 <djphil> standalone user need to create new users too ...
2016-08-23 14:50 <Melanie_T> in grid mode, regions can't administer the user database
2016-08-23 14:50 <Melanie_T> that is what robust is there for
2016-08-23 14:50 <djphil> standalone admin*
2016-08-23 14:50 <Melanie_T> region consoles administer only the region's data
2016-08-23 14:50 <Melanie_T> not the grid
2016-08-23 14:50 <Melanie_T> in standalone mode, there is no robust console and the user functions are done on a region console
2016-08-23 14:51 <djphil> yes, true
2016-08-23 14:52 <djphil> and the patch is able to work for standalone ?
2016-08-23 14:57 <Melanie_T> standalone already had the feature
2016-08-23 14:58 <djphil> ha oki
2016-08-23 15:00 <djphil> Unfortunately, and as you can see here, I am not able to create a user http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7670
2016-08-23 15:00 <djphil> but I have not re-tested this command recently ...
2016-08-23 15:01 <H-H-H> 
ACTION is looking at the mantis

2016-08-23 15:02 <djphil> :)
2016-08-23 15:02 <H-H-H> that mantis is for a region in grid mode connected to osgrid 
2016-08-23 15:04 <djphil> you mean for mantis 7670 ?
2016-08-23 15:04 <H-H-H> the link you posted
2016-08-23 15:05 <H-H-H> yes 7670
2016-08-23 15:05 <djphil> I tested radmin here on multiple servers
2016-08-23 15:05 <H-H-H> well you kind of confused me as you were asking about standalone and showed a mantis relating to grid mode lol
2016-08-23 15:06 <H-H-H> i will test in both in a few and see but first i need coffe
2016-08-23 15:06 <H-H-H> and lots of it
2016-08-23 15:07 <djphil> Curiously, admin update user works
2016-08-23 15:11 <djphil> All you can see here with a "V" (green) work fine for me
2016-08-23 15:11 <djphil> http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/15239120160823171028.jpg
2016-08-23 15:12 <djphil> But admin_create_user remain with a "X" (red) from a long time lol
2016-08-23 16:03 <Plugh> What is RLV in relation to viewers?
2016-08-23 16:06 <H-H-H> enables or disables viewer features
2016-08-23 16:06 <H-H-H> depending on if rlv is on or off
2016-08-23 16:06 <H-H-H> and djphil now testing standalone (goto adjust configs)
2016-08-23 16:09 <Plugh> um... yes. I've seen "rlv" mentioned before. is that the Real Love whatever thing for viewers?
2016-08-23 16:12 <H-H-H> yeah Plugh
2016-08-23 16:14 <H-H-H> ok standalone region is up now to set up the php
2016-08-23 16:18 <Plugh> H-H-H: ok. Not sure what it is for but not sure I want to know. :)
2016-08-23 16:19 <H-H-H> lol :)
2016-08-23 16:19 <H-H-H> anyone got the php side of the remote admin lib
2016-08-23 16:20 <H-H-H> djphil did you read this on the wiki ?
2016-08-23 16:20 <H-H-H> Note: This script does not appear to work for create user because it tries to pass the start region x and y as a string when the RemoteAdmin needs a string. The class needs to be edited to pass it as a number or edit the remoteadmin source to convert the string to a unsigned int. 
2016-08-23 16:21 <Plugh> H-H-H: Are you talking about mantis 7981 or 7680?
2016-08-23 16:22 <H-H-H> 7670
2016-08-23 16:26 <H-H-H> PING djphil
2016-08-23 16:27 <H-H-H> i just created a user on a standalone with admin_create_user via remote admin
2016-08-23 16:27 <H-H-H> couldnt find the remote admin class that is refered to on wiki so used https://github.com/MarcelEdward/OpenSim-RemoteAdmin
2016-08-23 17:02 <H-H-H> nice you can do all sorts of cool things with Radmin like saving oars and stuff
2016-08-23 17:02 <Melanie_T> yes
2016-08-23 17:02 <Melanie_T> we use it a lot in avn
2016-08-23 17:02 <Melanie_T> in the code we donated there were a number of additional radmin functions
2016-08-23 17:03 <H-H-H> i knew about the user creation/managment stuff but didnt realise it was this full in functionality
2016-08-23 17:03 <H-H-H> nice work :)
2016-08-23 17:04 <Melanie_T> for 3d hosting we had a system where the user could start a oar creation and then pick up the oar from a download area once it was done
2016-08-23 17:04 <Melanie_T> that was also done with radmin
2016-08-23 17:04 <H-H-H> nice :) 
2016-08-23 17:04 <Melanie_T> and we had an upload area where the customer could upload oars
2016-08-23 17:05 <Melanie_T> and then switch between them, an uploaded and any made from the sim, to load different ones
2016-08-23 17:05 <H-H-H> i can see a lot of ways it could be used for a fairly advanced and complete web ui with a bit of extra coding
2016-08-23 17:05 <Melanie_T> radmin is a great tool all around
2016-08-23 17:05 <Melanie_T> yes. especially when you combine it with json stats
2016-08-23 17:06 <Melanie_T> we have a drilldown stats page that shows load overviews and allows drilling down on server level and region level
2016-08-23 17:06 <Melanie_T> of course that's not really needed fro small, home run grids
2016-08-23 17:06 <Melanie_T> they never reach such load levels
2016-08-23 17:07 <H-H-H> yes i agree :)
2016-08-23 17:08 <H-H-H> do i need to add to the mantis that djphil posted to say i tested and found no issues
2016-08-23 17:29 <Melanie_T> what mantis was that?
2016-08-23 17:30 <osmantis> Bug #7670:04 [RADMIN] admin_create_user is broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7670 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-23 17:30 <H-H-H> that one ^
2016-08-23 17:31 <Melanie_T> i believe he tried to use that in grid mode
2016-08-23 17:31 <Melanie_T> where it can't work
2016-08-23 17:31 <H-H-H> well after conversation earlier he stated he had tried variouse versions and in Standalone and had the same issues so i just tested Standalone
2016-08-23 17:32 <osmantis> Bug #7670:04 [RADMIN] admin_create_user is broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7670 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-23 17:58 <Toso82> Someone know how after land reboot stop to load texture?
2016-08-23 17:58 <Melanie_T> restarting a region within an opensim.exe has never worked reliably
2016-08-23 17:59 <Melanie_T> one should always set the "region restart shuts down" option
2016-08-23 17:59 <Melanie_T> and have some external process restart the entire opensi.exe
2016-08-23 18:00 <Toso82> i restart inside with estate but i don't undestand well if i can do to work well this
2016-08-23 18:01 <Melanie_T> as i said. restarting a region inside the process doesn't work well
2016-08-23 18:01 <Melanie_T> always restart the entire process
2016-08-23 18:01 <Toso82> ok but fix the problem 
2016-08-23 18:02 <Toso82> i must always star stop process
2016-08-23 18:09 <Melanie_T> I already said so above. there is no need for me to repeat myself
2016-08-23 18:11 <Toso82> ok i think it is something borring and not good to on off simulator always i do if it is a solution 
2016-08-23 18:23 <Plugh> nebadon, and any other interested parties: meeting time in osgrid.
2016-08-23 18:27 <nebadon> coming in now
2016-08-23 21:16 <djphil> back, and test radmin soon as possible
2016-08-23 21:16 <djphil> ty, mel & hhh
2016-08-23 21:32 <H-H-H> no problem djphil
2016-08-23 21:32 <djphil> ty for testings and comments
2016-08-23 21:33 <djphil> when i can get it work here i will put my code on github
2016-08-23 21:33 <djphil> i see allready some new commands
2016-08-23 21:34 <djphil> and Mel say he add some other too
2016-08-23 21:34 <djphil> good, that fine :)
2016-08-23 21:34 <H-H-H> the code i posted on mantis works
2016-08-23 21:35 <djphil> ok, i don't see it lol
2016-08-23 21:35 <H-H-H> its in the github link
2016-08-23 21:35 <djphil> have you tested the command save heightmap in all image format ?
2016-08-23 21:35 <H-H-H> https://github.com/MarcelEdward/OpenSim-RemoteAdmin
2016-08-23 21:35 <djphil> ty
2016-08-23 21:36 <djphil> if i remember, some formats are corrupted
2016-08-23 21:36 <H-H-H> i didnt test hieghtmap but i did test the oar save and load
2016-08-23 21:36 <djphil> and return black or grey image
2016-08-23 21:36 <djphil> oar save/load work fine here
2016-08-23 21:36 <djphil> save/load iar too
2016-08-23 21:37 <djphil> the class you provide on github is the same as google class ?
2016-08-23 21:38 <djphil> or is a custom claass ?
2016-08-23 21:38 <H-H-H> as far as i know its the same but not 100% sure
2016-08-23 21:39 <djphil> it seam a little bit !=
2016-08-23 21:39 <djphil> you use json too
2016-08-23 21:40 <H-H-H> i used the exact code at that github link
2016-08-23 21:40 <djphil> oki
2016-08-23 21:41 <djphil> you devlop stuff for Hi Fidelity ?
2016-08-23 21:41 <H-H-H> nope
2016-08-23 21:41 <H-H-H> i just google for remoteadmin php code
2016-08-23 21:41 <djphil> i ask because i see dev doc on you github
2016-08-23 21:42 <djphil> your*
2016-08-23 21:42 <H-H-H> where lol
2016-08-23 21:42 <H-H-H> there is nothing on my github as far as i know
2016-08-23 21:43 <djphil> here : https://github.com/MarcelEdward/hifi-docs
2016-08-23 21:43 <H-H-H> thats not my github
2016-08-23 21:43 <djphil> ha okay
2016-08-23 21:43 <H-H-H> https://github.com/H-H-H?tab=repositories
2016-08-23 21:43 <H-H-H> thats my github
2016-08-23 21:44 <djphil> hehe i remeber you avatar pics ^^
2016-08-23 21:45 <H-H-H> :P
2016-08-23 22:31 <H-H-H> hey djphil mind if i use some of your code off github
2016-08-23 22:33 <Plugh> The updated warp3d module has fixed that off-by-one error that resulted in a white line down the right hand edge of the map tiles.
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2016-08-23 22:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  change odd condition on groupsV2 add to role
2016-08-23 23:07 <Ubit> ajld6419
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2016-08-23 23:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  use known name a group ejetee if its local client
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2016-08-23 23:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  remove some dead code
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2016-08-23 23:24 <djphil> what you mean above H-H-H ?
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2016-08-23 23:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix a use of string Trim()
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2016-08-24 00:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  DynamicTextureModule memory leaks
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2016-08-24 00:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: estate handleTerrainRequest memory leaks
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2016-08-24 00:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: potencial null ref
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2016-08-24 01:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: potencial null ref
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2016-08-24 01:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: potencial null ref
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2016-08-24 01:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: potencial null ref
2016-08-24 01:33 <Plugh> Ubit, you are just going to town on these possible null reference and memory leak issues in the coad.
2016-08-24 01:33 <Plugh> in the code. 
2016-08-24 01:34 <Ubit> hmm ?
2016-08-24 01:34 <Ubit> going to town ?
2016-08-24 01:35 <Plugh> oh. Haven't heard that expression before?
2016-08-24 01:35 <Ubit> no but i did went to town several times :p
2016-08-24 01:36 <Plugh> hehe
2016-08-24 01:36 <Plugh> One definition is -> generic phrase indicating action(s) performed in a hardcore manner
2016-08-24 01:36 <Plugh> I was just noticing how many of those types of issues you have been finding and fixing in the code.
2016-08-24 02:56 <Aramis^> The Restrained Love Viewer (formerly known as "Restrained Life Viewer")  http://www.erestraints.com/realrestraint/
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2016-08-24 03:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor change on warp3d lib
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2016-08-24 03:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix the conditions to do parcel objects autoreturn
2016-08-24 03:49 <Plugh> hm... I wonder if that might fix a case where I have an object returned from a parcel every now and then for some unknown reason.
2016-08-24 03:49 <Ubit> you mean of that just been your object? :)
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2016-08-24 05:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  dont request a workjob if we can see there is nothing to do
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2016-08-24 05:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  reduce unnecessary allocation of new items
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2016-08-24 06:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  remove redundate console comand add, change stat deregister
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2016-08-24 06:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  do similar changes to unused checksManager
2016-08-24 11:17 <fantasy2016> hi all I try to use the dev-version. I have just a region with notthing special after restart simulator not stop to load all texture. How i can avoid this? It is no nice that i must to restart simulator always. There is some command to lunch or somthing alse after restart
2016-08-24 12:40 <ssm2017> Ubit Melanie_T is it a good practice to reopen a closed ticket or should i create a new one and link it to the old one ?
2016-08-24 12:40 <ssm2017> this one : http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6927
2016-08-24 12:45 <ssm2017> this one too : http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7681
2016-08-24 12:46 <ssm2017> using r387d564aadc3
2016-08-24 12:46 <ssm2017> mono 3.2.8
2016-08-24 12:47 <fantasy2016> Sorry but why if i use fsassets my assents not load? this assents is correct in my db
2016-08-24 12:49 <ssm2017> fantasy2016 are you using files folders from sras or a fsasset installation from scratch ?
2016-08-24 12:50 <fantasy2016> fsassets installation
2016-08-24 12:52 <fantasy2016> ssm2017 fsassets from precedent installation
2016-08-24 12:52 <ssm2017> in your robust console, you can see the file path with : show digest <id>
2016-08-24 12:53 <ssm2017> check if the file exists
2016-08-24 12:53 <ssm2017> if this is from a previous installation, maybe it was the old format (sras) so you should check if there are 3 or 5 subfolders in your asset folders on disk
2016-08-24 12:54 <ssm2017> if 3, in the [AssetService] section of your robust.ini file, try : UseOsgridFormat = True
2016-08-24 12:56 <ssm2017> in any case, you can check with : show digest <uuid of the asset>
2016-08-24 12:57 <fantasy2016> ssm2017 just second i try
2016-08-24 13:13 <fantasy2016> ssm2017 I try to find file with show digest and not find nothing but in mysql find file. I have also 14 folder in asset folders (animationassetset,avatar,bodypartsassetsset,clothingAssetSet....)
2016-08-24 13:17 <fantasy2016> ssm2017   at OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.Scene.GetObjectsToRez (System.Byte[] assetData, Boolean isAttachment, System.Collections.Generic.List`1& objlist, System.Collections.Generic.List`1& veclist, OpenMetaverse.Vector3& bbox, System.Single& offsetHeight) <0x4175fd90 + 0x003bb> in <filename unknown>:0   15:16:24 - [AGENT INVENTORY]: Failed XML (0 bytes) =  15:16:24 - [ATTACHMENTS MODULE]: Could not retrieve item 47ea343e-
2016-08-24 13:25 <ssm2017> fantasy2016 have you followed this page ? http://opensimulator.org/wiki/FSAssets_Service
2016-08-24 13:27 <fantasy2016> ssm2017 Yes
2016-08-24 13:27 <JohnnyQ> I have a general development question. I am trying to compile the NSL/DTL money module, but it says that the OpenSim.Framework.Communications reference doesnt exist. I've done a bit of research and saw it was removed at some point. Is it safe to remove the reference? If not, what needs to be changed for it to compile properly?
2016-08-24 13:29 <ssm2017> JohnnyQ maybe this page ? http://opensimulator.org/wiki/New_Region_Modules
2016-08-24 13:30 <JohnnyQ> hey! I'll look. I'm still getting my education in C#. So I am not 100% sure what to look for.
2016-08-24 13:30 <ssm2017> fantasy2016 when i was speaking about the folders, i was not speaking about inventory folders but folders on hard disk mentionned in : BaseDirectory option
2016-08-24 13:31 <JohnnyQ> I am assuming there are things in the code which use the reference, if it's no longer there, won't those things not work and or fail in compiling?
2016-08-24 13:32 <ssm2017> i am unable to answer this question JohnnyQ . maybe someone else can answer later in the channel. i am not a C# dev, i just know that reference have changed in 2012
2016-08-24 13:33 <JohnnyQ> Yeah. It's ok, I'll wait for an answer. More so for my own edification in the future. I'll use the precompiled binaries for now.
2016-08-24 13:34 <fantasy2016> ssm2017 in assert folder i have 14 folder in fsassets 2 folder (tmp and data)
2016-08-24 13:34 <JohnnyQ> whats the issue fantasy2016 ?
2016-08-24 13:36 <fantasy2016> the issues is if i use fsassets my assents not load
2016-08-24 13:37 <JohnnyQ> mmmm
2016-08-24 13:37 <JohnnyQ> what version of OpenSim are you running?
2016-08-24 13:38 <JohnnyQ> Is it with specific inventory types or is it inventory completely?
2016-08-24 13:39 <fantasy2016> version is opensim-0.9.0-402-g42dd02f
2016-08-24 13:39 <fantasy2016> just for old assert
2016-08-24 13:39 <fantasy2016> new work well
2016-08-24 13:41 <JohnnyQ> is this your opensim installation? are you running a grid using robust or are you running standalone?
2016-08-24 13:41 <JohnnyQ> Heya Plugh
2016-08-24 13:42 <Plugh> Ubit, I have an object in a parcel of a region that is used to monitor avatar prim counts. The parcel is not set for auto-return of items. Every now and then the item is returned due to parcel return. No idea why. It is the only region where that happens where it shouldn't.
2016-08-24 13:42 <fantasy2016> running a grid using robust
2016-08-24 13:42 <Plugh> Hi, JohnnyQ
2016-08-24 13:45 <JohnnyQ> ok, so what I want you to do is look at the robust console and tell me if you periodically see a line that starts with this: [FSassets]:
2016-08-24 13:45 <JohnnyQ> might be pink tet
2016-08-24 13:45 <JohnnyQ> text
2016-08-24 13:46 <JohnnyQ> then whatver the message is.
2016-08-24 13:46 <JohnnyQ> the thing you need to make sure of is that the fallback asset service is the original asset service.
2016-08-24 13:48 <fantasy2016> This is for me ?
2016-08-24 13:48 <JohnnyQ> yes
2016-08-24 13:48 <JohnnyQ> sorry I didn't clarify
2016-08-24 13:49 <fantasy2016> rewind after use FSAssert how i say to ssm2017 not load old assert 
2016-08-24 13:50 <fantasy2016> the assert is on my db but with show digest not find
2016-08-24 13:51 <JohnnyQ> ok, let me see if I can get you an image that explains.
2016-08-24 13:52 <fantasy2016> an image of what of error?
2016-08-24 13:52 <ssm2017> fantasy2016 if you say that the asset is in your db, you should have the "hash" column value in db
2016-08-24 13:53 <ssm2017> take the 3 first letters of the hash from the left and begin to crawl folders in "data" ( BaseDirectory )
2016-08-24 13:53 <ssm2017> and then the 3 next ones for the sub folder etc...
2016-08-24 13:53 <ssm2017> if the file is not present, then you maybe have not well imported old assets
2016-08-24 13:54 <fantasy2016> ssm2017 i try just second
2016-08-24 13:54 <JohnnyQ> the FSassets should still use the fallback for any assets it doesnt find in it's store.
2016-08-24 13:54 <JohnnyQ> e.g. the database table for assets.
2016-08-24 13:57 <ssm2017> if fallback configured
2016-08-24 14:10 <JohnnyQ> it's reccommended because otherwise the fsassets won't pull assets that are in the old database.
2016-08-24 14:10 <JohnnyQ> you can migrate the database but, it will do that incrementally on it's own if the fallback is configured.
2016-08-24 14:16 <ssm2017> i agree
2016-08-24 14:20 <fantasy2016> thanks so if understand well i just decomment fallbak to restart to load old assert not load 
2016-08-24 14:23 <fantasy2016> sssm2017 JohnnQ correct?
2016-08-24 14:25 <ssm2017> as the wiki page says, yes
2016-08-24 14:25 <fantasy2016> ssm2017 i decomment fallback but not work
2016-08-24 14:25 <ssm2017> you say that you have your asset in the database
2016-08-24 14:26 <ssm2017> what do you mean ?
2016-08-24 14:26 <ssm2017> how do you check this ?
2016-08-24 14:26 <ssm2017> what is your mysql request ?
2016-08-24 14:30 <fantasy2016> in assert table there is my assert ok so why not load correct if i enable fallback now
2016-08-24 14:30 <ssm2017> how do you know that the asset is in your asset table ?
2016-08-24 14:31 <fantasy2016> i find id on my table 
2016-08-24 14:33 <ssm2017> how your table look like ? http://pastebin.com/gRbkNxWW
2016-08-24 14:35 <ssm2017> is the table named : "assets" or "fsassets" ? if fsassets you should have a hash corresponding to your asset entry and the hash is giving you the file path in the hard disk
2016-08-24 14:48 <ssm2017> you are maybe a better educator than me JohnnyQ :)
2016-08-24 14:48 <ssm2017> maybe i have made him(her) cry
2016-08-24 15:04 <JohnnyQ> the thing is, we had to deal with fsassets issues. I became familiar with how it operates because we had to fix a few issues with ours. in the end it didn't end up being an issue with the fsassets system, more so an issue with the fsassets table in the database.
2016-08-24 15:05 <Melanie_T> ssm2017: you should not even be able to open a ticket once it is closed. Non-admins can only reopen resolved tickets but not closed ones
2016-08-24 15:05 <Melanie_T> ssm2017: there is generally no point in creating a new ticket or reopening a ticket unless you have significant new information about the issue
2016-08-24 15:06 <Melanie_T> or when the issue is a regression, e.g. was fixed before but is broken again
2016-08-24 15:06 <JohnnyQ> fsassets still relies on mysql to a degree, but it will only pull stuff from the fallback database as they are requested. You have to actually tell it to migrate the assets from the database to the filestore.
2016-08-24 15:06 <ssm2017> i have just seen that this is not solved because i could confirm the issue on today
2016-08-24 15:06 <Melanie_T> there is no point in reopening or opening tickets on matters that have been rejected
2016-08-24 15:07 <ssm2017> ok
2016-08-24 15:07 <Melanie_T> well the ticket is closed so it must have been resolved at some point
2016-08-24 15:07 <Melanie_T> which means you are possibly seeing a regression
2016-08-24 15:07 <ssm2017> ok
2016-08-24 15:07 <Melanie_T> if the information from the old ticket is still relevant to what you are seeing, i or another admin will be happy to reopen even a closed ticket
2016-08-24 15:08 <Melanie_T> if the ifnormation isn't relevant anymore, a new ticket can as well be created and set as related
2016-08-24 15:08 <ssm2017> i will maybe open a new one on tomorrow when having more details
2016-08-24 15:08 <Melanie_T> in thiese baked texture issues there was, I believem also a viewer problem. So please make sure you use a new-ish viewer to create any reports
2016-08-24 15:09 <Melanie_T> reports about things not working with Imprudence or Hippo viewer will be closed without comment
2016-08-24 15:09 <Melanie_T> or any other viewer that hasn't seen updates for years
2016-08-24 15:09 <ssm2017> JohnnyQ i have also played with fsassets but fantasy was telling me that he/she was just upgrading from an existing fsasset base so i just asked to check if the files directories are using osgrid mode or not and i have never had the answer
2016-08-24 15:11 <ssm2017> Melanie_T about these baked textures, i was using the last firestorm 4.7.9 and i could see that it is coming when making a new region from scratch and then load an oar and go there
2016-08-24 15:11 <ssm2017> i have to confirm this before making a ticket
2016-08-24 15:11 <Melanie_T> ok
2016-08-24 15:11 <Melanie_T> what if you restart the region before going there?
2016-08-24 15:11 <Melanie_T> behavior after loading an oar may be erratic
2016-08-24 15:11 <Melanie_T> that depends on the asset server
2016-08-24 15:12 <ssm2017> o, i will test this. the thing i could confirm is that using : "show appearance firstname lastname" stopped the flood forever
2016-08-24 15:16 <Melanie_T> interesting
2016-08-24 15:16 <Melanie_T> that definitely points to something within opensim
2016-08-24 17:08 <osmantis> Bug #7615:04 Landing point does not work in Var Regions. Teleport in always lands at 128,128, 25 and ignores the set landing point. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7615 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-24 18:12 <martisoundsgood> Hi everyone ..i have a complicated issue to overcome but i shall ask for assistance in the easy 
2016-08-24 18:12 <martisoundsgood> part, easy if you have added user defined functions in ossl that is. so according to the sparce 
2016-08-24 18:12 <martisoundsgood> documentation on opensim.org there are three places you have to add the elements to in order to 
2016-08-24 18:12 <martisoundsgood> implement a new ossl function in opensim source code.
2016-08-24 18:12 <martisoundsgood> i)method to call function via interface
2016-08-24 18:12 <martisoundsgood> ide: opensim.region.scriptengine.shared.scriptbase.scriptbaseclass
2016-08-24 18:12 <martisoundsgood> file system: opensim\region\scriptengine\shared\api\runtime\ossl_stub.cs
2016-08-24 18:12 <martisoundsgood> ii)implement a new function
2016-08-24 18:12 <martisoundsgood> ide: opensim.region.scriptengine.shared.api.ossl_api
2016-08-24 18:12 <martisoundsgood> file system: opensim\region\scriptengine\shared\api\implementation\ossl_api.cs
2016-08-24 18:12 <martisoundsgood> iii)method signature is added to the interface
2016-08-24 18:12 <martisoundsgood> ide: opensim.region.scriptengine.shared.api.interfaces.ioosl_api
2016-08-24 18:12 <martisoundsgood> file system: opensim\region\scriptengine\shared\api\interface\iossl_api.cs
2016-08-24 18:12 <martisoundsgood> is this correct? and if so ..when compiled which dll files is this data to be found in? 
2016-08-24 18:12 <martisoundsgood> more to come later ..thank you for your attention.
2016-08-24 18:13 <Melanie_T> you don't need to do all this 
2016-08-24 18:13 <Melanie_T> it is possible to do it that way and that used to be the only way
2016-08-24 18:13 <Melanie_T> however, the great drawback of this method is that you will actually need to recompile opensim core and then use that modified opensim
2016-08-24 18:14 <martisoundsgood> that is true 
2016-08-24 18:14 <Melanie_T> because of this limitation, we have added dynamic methods. Your modules can define script methods that will be treated just as if they were built in
2016-08-24 18:14 <Melanie_T> but their code is in your module and has access to your module's data
2016-08-24 18:14 <Plugh> martisoundsgood: Make sure you are reading the right doc about adding functions. There is one page that was written by justin but if you look closely it points you to another page.
2016-08-24 18:14 <Melanie_T> that is a much more advantageous situation
2016-08-24 18:15 <martisoundsgood> i am also asking for verification of my information...the location of the data
2016-08-24 18:15 <martisoundsgood> melanie_t i do like the idea of not having to compile
2016-08-24 18:17 <Plugh> martisoundsgood: on the main OSSL page in the wiki it says -> Note: A newer mechanism for adding OSSL script functions from region modules without any need to patch the OpenSimulator code itself is described at OSSL_Script_Library/ModInvoke.
2016-08-24 18:17 <Melanie_T> you still have to compile your own module of course
2016-08-24 18:17 <Plugh> martisoundsgood: The URL for that other page is http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OSSL_Script_Library/ModInvoke
2016-08-24 18:18 <martisoundsgood> thank you 
2016-08-24 18:19 <Plugh> yw
2016-08-24 18:19 <Plugh> I saw that recently as I'm preparing to add some additional information to the wiki about OSSL functions.
2016-08-24 18:20 <martisoundsgood> i am stil in need of the verification of the locations of the 3 parts i detailed in my post if anyone can assist with that 
2016-08-24 18:21 <Melanie_T> using the new method, that is no longer required or relevant
2016-08-24 18:22 <nebadon> uhhh
2016-08-24 18:22 <Melanie_T> the new method doesn't require a stub, interface and implementation 
2016-08-24 18:22 <nebadon> Melanie_T : http://forge.opensimulator.org
2016-08-24 18:22 <nebadon> wtf
2016-08-24 18:22 <Melanie_T> oh?
2016-08-24 18:22 <Melanie_T> wtf, yes
2016-08-24 18:22 <Plugh> indeed
2016-08-24 18:23 <nebadon> how on earth did that happen i wonder
2016-08-24 18:23 <Plugh> DNS issue.
2016-08-24 18:23 <nebadon> oh right someone probably got melanies old ip address
2016-08-24 18:23 <Plugh> os.org is 216.245.194.42 while forge.os.org is 188.138.10.206
2016-08-24 18:23 <nebadon> yes
2016-08-24 18:23 <nebadon> it was always differet server
2016-08-24 18:24 <nebadon> it was one of melanies servers
2016-08-24 18:24 <Melanie_T> looks like one of my old servers is being used by a squatter now
2016-08-24 18:24 <nebadon> but she changed host
2016-08-24 18:24 <nebadon> yea
2016-08-24 18:24 <Plugh> It was? Ok. I've not looked at the IPs before.
2016-08-24 18:24 <nebadon> but how the heck did they know its opensimulator.org
2016-08-24 18:24 <Melanie_T> from the host: header
2016-08-24 18:24 <nebadon> ahh ok
2016-08-24 18:24 <nebadon> ya that makes sense
2016-08-24 18:24 <martisoundsgood> well as i said in my first post ..its a complicated issue, and part of that issue is i have to decompile the dll files whose locations i am asking about to obtain the scripts for the functions, as the person who implemented them isnt around to provide the source. hence i need to know if im working with the right files to get the data i need
2016-08-24 18:25 <Melanie_T> i killed the dns entry
2016-08-24 18:25 <Melanie_T> once i can bring forge back, i will recreate it
2016-08-24 18:25 <nebadon> ok thanks
2016-08-24 18:25 <Plugh> martisoundsgood: If someone implemented an OSSL function where you don't have the code, you only need to decompile the DLL containing the OSSL_Api.
2016-08-24 18:26 <Plugh> If you want/need to update the other files you can do that once you have the source for the changes in to OSSL.
2016-08-24 18:26 <martisoundsgood> really? everything gets lumped into that one dll?
2016-08-24 18:26 <Melanie_T> martisoundsgood: decompiling is not likely to give you any proper results. at least two companies have contacted me in the past with a similar problem. none of them have ultimately contracted me for recovery and rewrite, but both these companies failed to decompile custom script functions that were made for them
2016-08-24 18:26 <Melanie_T> these files are humungous
2016-08-24 18:27 <Melanie_T> there is OSSL_Api and OSSL_Stub
2016-08-24 18:27 <Plugh> I've had to decompile a custom module once. Getting a decent decompiler was the first issue.
2016-08-24 18:27 <martisoundsgood> which one did you go with . i have a few now ..telerik seems feasible
2016-08-24 18:27 <Plugh> not that.
2016-08-24 18:28 <Plugh> um... sorry. RL is calling. I'll look and see what tool I used later. bbl
2016-08-24 18:28 <Plugh> There were two I used. I don't remember the names off the top of my head as I haven't needed to use either of them in ages.
2016-08-24 18:28 <Plugh> bbl
2016-08-24 18:29 <martisoundsgood> thanks plugh
2016-08-24 18:32 <martisoundsgood> so any idea which dll file when compiled holds the data from those cs files?
2016-08-24 18:32 <martisoundsgood> part of this is my trying to verify im not missing anything 
2016-08-24 18:35 <Melanie_T> that depends on whether or not the person added additional required helper functions
2016-08-24 18:36 <Melanie_T> if they did not, the script functions would be in OSSL_Api
2016-08-24 18:36 <Melanie_T> OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Shared.Api.dll
2016-08-24 18:36 <Melanie_T> that is the ddl that contains all script api
2016-08-24 18:37 <martisoundsgood> thank you
2016-08-24 18:37 <martisoundsgood> and if there were additional helper functions?
2016-08-24 18:39 <Melanie_T> they could be anywhere
2016-08-24 18:41 <martisoundsgood> well thanks for that ..at least i know it really is as hard as i thought it was
2016-08-24 18:41 <martisoundsgood> and thanks for your help
2016-08-24 18:42 <Melanie_T> what function was that that was added for you?
2016-08-24 18:42 <martisoundsgood> ill keep this open for a while ..if anyone thinks of something that could help ..please do say
2016-08-24 18:46 <martisoundsgood> a money thing .. querying a database for items and buying etc ..
2016-08-24 18:46 <Melanie_T> and neither the DTL money server nor the free module or any of the others have that?
2016-08-24 18:48 <martisoundsgood> im very new to opensim ..im helping out and learning as i go. so i cant tell you what it does differently or if it could be implemented with what you just mentioned
2016-08-24 18:48 <Melanie_T> just trying to ascertain whether rewriting it would be less difficult than decompiling
2016-08-24 18:48 <Melanie_T> because with a complex function you never get a good decompile
2016-08-24 18:48 <martisoundsgood> well ive decompiled ..and obtained some data ..the main issue i have is making sure i got it right 
2016-08-24 18:48 <Melanie_T> ok
2016-08-24 18:48 <martisoundsgood> trying to make sure im not missing anything
2016-08-24 18:49 <martisoundsgood> ive tried compiling with the extra functionality added ..but its not right somewhere ..and thats going to be something i inquire about another day
2016-08-24 18:50 <Melanie_T> the best test is to first compile what you decompiled
2016-08-24 18:50 <martisoundsgood> right now im just trying to make sure that ive gotten the data from the right source(s) and that i am not missing anything 
2016-08-24 18:50 <Melanie_T> see if that still works
2016-08-24 18:50 <Melanie_T> if you can't recompile what you decompiled, you need to find better decompile settings and /or a better decompiler
2016-08-24 18:50 <martisoundsgood> to be honest im going to compile an out of the box source code next ..as i cant be sure im doing things right 
2016-08-24 18:51 <martisoundsgood> plus i want to look at the module that doesnt need to be compiled into the source code
2016-08-24 18:52 <martisoundsgood> just trying to take babysteps and  understand what it is im working with before i take another step
2016-08-24 18:53 <Melanie_T> sure
2016-08-24 18:53 <Melanie_T> i'm just somewhat surprised that so many people (3, you included) are in this situation
2016-08-24 18:53 <Melanie_T> that makes me think there is or was a bad apple programmer on the loose
2016-08-24 18:55 <martisoundsgood> shame
2016-08-24 19:02 <martisoundsgood> all i can say is this ...people that write code for others ..must document their material properly 
2016-08-24 19:19 <Plugh> martisoundsgood: IIRC, one of the programs was called ILSpy.
2016-08-24 19:20 <martisoundsgood> thank you ..i shall look that up
2016-08-24 19:21 <Plugh> I think there was a second one I also used but I don't remember the name.
2016-08-24 19:22 <Plugh> Ah. Internet searches are handy. The other program is called dotPeek.
2016-08-24 19:22 <Plugh> You will still need to do a bit of work on the decompiled sources to clean it up afterwards.
2016-08-24 19:22 <martisoundsgood> i shall check them out
2016-08-24 19:23 <martisoundsgood> thanks for the help and advice 
2016-08-24 19:23 <Plugh> yw
2016-08-24 20:20 <Ubit> errr how does one set a landpoint? lol i keep forgetting :)
2016-08-24 20:20 <Ubit> ( Hi all :) 
2016-08-24 20:22 <Plugh> In About Land
2016-08-24 20:22 <Ubit> ok
2016-08-24 20:23 <Plugh> options tab
2016-08-24 20:24 <Ubit> errr why it it bloked?  did i changed the default to anywhere sometime ago ?
2016-08-24 20:24 <Plugh> It often seems to come up as blocked by default.
2016-08-24 20:24 <Ubit> something missing somewhere then
2016-08-24 20:25 <Melanie_T> blocked is the default
2016-08-24 20:25 <Melanie_T> whenever you cut a parcel it reverts to blocked
2016-08-24 20:25 <Melanie_T> same with joining parcels
2016-08-24 20:25 <Melanie_T> it's intentinl
2016-08-24 20:25 <Ubit> i changed to default i think
2016-08-24 20:25 <Ubit> ( on a mantis somewhere )
2016-08-24 20:26 <Melanie_T> default is "blocked"
2016-08-24 20:26 <Ubit> hmm ok
2016-08-24 20:26 <Melanie_T> just like new estates are initially non-public
2016-08-24 20:26 <Ubit> ill check
2016-08-24 20:26 <Melanie_T> this mathes sl
2016-08-24 20:26 <Ubit> not working is worse.. so checking that now
2016-08-24 20:29 <Ubit> i don't have land at SL to confirm :)
2016-08-24 20:32 <Plugh> What are you trying to confirm?
2016-08-24 20:32 <Melanie_T> the default state of the teleport setting
2016-08-24 20:32 <Melanie_T> he doesn't seem to believe the deafult is "blocked"
2016-08-24 20:32 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-24 20:32 <Plugh> I know people who have land in SL.
2016-08-24 20:32 <Plugh> The setting would have already been changed from its default by now.
2016-08-24 20:33 <Melanie_T> it's SL philosophy in general
2016-08-24 20:33 <Plugh> I could ask if they remember having to change it from Blocked.
2016-08-24 20:33 <Plugh> makes sense.
2016-08-24 20:33 <Melanie_T> that the default is always the most restrictive option
2016-08-24 20:33 <Melanie_T> like default objects = transfer only
2016-08-24 20:33 <Melanie_T> default estate = not public
2016-08-24 20:33 <Plugh> Give people time to develop the land before letting people in
2016-08-24 20:33 <Melanie_T> default parcel = blocked teleport
2016-08-24 20:34 <Ubit> well don't thing it does much  we only look for Landpoint type
2016-08-24 20:34 <Melanie_T> but, conversely, the default parcel settings were always permissive
2016-08-24 20:34 <Melanie_T> rez, entry and scripts for all
2016-08-24 20:37 <Ubit> hmm seens the new CheckAndAdjustLandingPoint_OS fails
2016-08-24 20:37 <Ubit> i did made a new one.. why this OS thing? uff whateveer
2016-08-24 20:39 <Ubit> hmm actually same condition on new oops :)
2016-08-24 20:45 <Ubit> grr
2016-08-24 20:46 <Ubit> landpoits are suposed to work on direct login or not?
2016-08-24 20:47 <Ubit> oops
2016-08-24 20:47 <Ubit> ( if login is not lastlocation  forgot that ;) )
2016-08-24 20:47 <Melanie_T> they are not effectove for login location "last"
2016-08-24 20:48 <Ubit> yeap i had forgot that
2016-08-24 20:48 <Melanie_T> but if a sim name is given, landing points do take effect
2016-08-24 20:48 <Ubit> yeap sorry
2016-08-24 21:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #4937 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-24 21:02 <osmantis> Bug #7615:04 Landing point does not work in Var Regions. Teleport in always lands at 128,128, 25 and ignores the set landing point. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7615 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-24 21:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4937: SUCCESS in 6 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4937/
2016-08-24 21:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  respect landpoint Z position also on the ugly LandingPointBehavior_OS option (default one)
2016-08-24 21:11 <fantasy2016> Sorry but someone know why i have a standalone simulator with just a land notthing special after restart load notthing? I have to switch on off simulator it is normal this
2016-08-24 21:13 <Plugh> Ubit, I just talked with a friend of mine in SL who had land. They seem to vaguely remember that they were the only ones who could get in to the region when they first got it.
2016-08-24 21:14 <Ubit> yeap Blocked does block tps there
2016-08-24 21:14 <Plugh> hm... I thought the landing point was being honoured. Not sure about whether Z was ignored or not.
2016-08-24 21:14 <Ubit> we don't actually have that option
2016-08-24 21:14 <Ubit> that was a bug
2016-08-24 21:15 <Ubit> i added  raycasts to relocate on top of prims
2016-08-24 21:15 <Ubit> that was not been disabled on that OS option, only on the SL one
2016-08-24 21:16 <Plugh> hm... I thought Blocked worked in 0.8 but I haven't tried it in master
2016-08-24 21:16 <Ubit> "It does exactly that, block teleports! On group-owned land, even a group owner with home set there will be nudged out."
2016-08-24 21:17 <Plugh> bbl. Going to check something at the workbench then sit outside to do some reading.
2016-08-24 21:18 <Ubit> we don't even have a proper definition for Blocked type
2016-08-24 21:20 <Ubit> well its None
2016-08-24 21:24 <Ubit> and our default is now teleport anywhere
2016-08-24 21:24 <Ubit> mantis 7780
2016-08-24 21:26 <Ubit> i could make Block work
2016-08-24 21:27 <Ubit> but needed to do remaping
2016-08-24 21:27 <Ubit> since its value 0, and all older regions have it
2016-08-24 21:27 <Ubit> so making it work whoud block tps every where
2016-08-24 21:38 <Melanie_T> the default should NOT be anywhere
2016-08-24 21:39 <Melanie_T> unless we consciously decide to deviate from SL
2016-08-24 21:39 <Melanie_T> which i am not opposed to
2016-08-24 21:39 <Melanie_T> because i feel a default of blocked is too restrictive for opensim's nature
2016-08-24 21:39 <Melanie_T> but i'd rather see a core vote on it
2016-08-24 21:54 -!- IgorVorotiloff(~GuyCharle@unaffiliated/igorvorotiloff) has left #opensim-dev
2016-08-24 21:56 <Ubit> it doesnt' even work mel
2016-08-24 21:56 <Melanie_T> lol
2016-08-24 21:56 <Melanie_T> it worked at one time
2016-08-24 21:56 <Melanie_T> but as i said
2016-08-24 21:56 <Ubit> possible
2016-08-24 21:56 <Melanie_T> SL's default is blocked, which is "None"
2016-08-24 21:57 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-24 21:57 <Melanie_T> so unless we vote to deviate from SL, None should mean blocked
2016-08-24 21:57 <Melanie_T> and old sism will have to change the setting
2016-08-24 21:57 <Melanie_T> end of story
2016-08-24 21:57 <Ubit> as i said.. don't see it working anywhere
2016-08-24 21:57 <Melanie_T> as i said
2016-08-24 21:57 <Melanie_T> it needs to be fixed
2016-08-24 21:58 <Melanie_T> and if it means that old sims will become inaccessibel via teleport the that is how it should be
2016-08-24 21:58 <Ubit> and since it didn't work, ppl left regions with the old default blocked
2016-08-24 21:58 <Melanie_T> and they need to change their setting to be accessible again
2016-08-24 21:58 <Melanie_T> leaving a bug unfixed is not an option
2016-08-24 21:58 <Ubit> so making it work now whould me a bit confusing
2016-08-24 21:58 <Melanie_T> so let it be confusing
2016-08-24 21:59 <Melanie_T> it IS a major releae
2016-08-24 21:59 <Melanie_T> changes are to be expected
2016-08-24 21:59 <Melanie_T> no better time than to fix it
2016-08-24 22:00 <Melanie_T> we have two options
2016-08-24 22:00 <Melanie_T> both include making it say what's on the tin
2016-08-24 22:00 <Melanie_T> blocked is blocked
2016-08-24 22:00 <Melanie_T> #1 is to simply fix it
2016-08-24 22:00 <Melanie_T> 0 is blocked and whoever has theirs set to 0 will have it blocked
2016-08-24 22:00 <Melanie_T> #2 is to work round it
2016-08-24 22:01 <Melanie_T> means, 0 is invalid, 1 is anywhere, 2 is landing point, 3 is blocked
2016-08-24 22:01 <Ubit> my ideia about remaping was that last one
2016-08-24 22:01 <Melanie_T> and 0 will show as "anywhere"
2016-08-24 22:01 <Melanie_T> and the default fornew parcels will be 2
2016-08-24 22:01 <Melanie_T> so in the futore parcls will show blocked as default
2016-08-24 22:01 <Melanie_T> but old parcels will show "anywhere"
2016-08-24 22:01 <Melanie_T> and work that way
2016-08-24 22:01 <Melanie_T> but it's mess
2016-08-24 22:02 <Ubit> why in hell follow a broken SL ideia?
2016-08-24 22:02 <Melanie_T> because i believe the viewer uses tese numbers
2016-08-24 22:02 <Melanie_T> so we have to remap everywhere
2016-08-24 22:02 <Melanie_T> so it's better to just go through the pain
2016-08-24 22:02 <Melanie_T> and fix it straight
2016-08-24 22:02 <Ubit> why force ppl to open tps when most of time is what they want ?
2016-08-24 22:02 <Melanie_T> i don't consider an default of "blocke" broken
2016-08-24 22:02 <Melanie_T> the idea is sound
2016-08-24 22:02 <Melanie_T> let them buildin peace
2016-08-24 22:02 <Melanie_T> ope when ready
2016-08-24 22:03 <Ubit> its broken
2016-08-24 22:03 <Melanie_T> it's not yours to decide
2016-08-24 22:03 <Ubit> even LL says sometimes you need to fly around to get in
2016-08-24 22:03 <Ubit> fine
2016-08-24 22:03 <Melanie_T> it's simply not ours to decide
2016-08-24 22:03 <Ubit> you fix it then
2016-08-24 22:03 <Melanie_T> as long as we don't vote on it, we need to emulate sl as we have always done
2016-08-24 22:03 <Melanie_T> if we do vote on it, we can deviate
2016-08-24 22:03 <Ubit> sure..
2016-08-24 22:04 <Melanie_T> but it would be messy
2016-08-24 22:04 <Melanie_T> because i beileve the numeric values are from the viewer
2016-08-24 22:04 <Melanie_T> and i for one am not sure that i know every place they're used
2016-08-24 22:04 <Ubit> wait for that vote and then you fix it acording
2016-08-24 22:05 <Ubit> and if voting is now a requirement
2016-08-24 22:06 <Ubit> then im going to watch a movie
2016-08-24 22:08 <Melanie_T> it's not a requirement to fix the bug
2016-08-24 22:08 <Melanie_T> but to deviate from our policy of emulating SL
2016-08-24 22:09 <Ubit> i cannot work not knowing what needs voting or notr
2016-08-24 22:09 <Melanie_T> tha is why i'm telling you
2016-08-24 22:09 <Melanie_T> i sent the email
2016-08-24 22:10 <Ubit> what email ?
2016-08-24 22:10 <Melanie_T> to the -core list
2016-08-24 22:10 <Melanie_T> the call for vote
2016-08-24 22:10 <Melanie_T> and i voted to fix it by remapping
2016-08-24 22:10 <Melanie_T> we dont' need an inaccessible metaverse
2016-08-24 22:11 <Ubit> hm don't see that email
2016-08-24 22:11 <Melanie_T> leet me see if you're even on the list
2016-08-24 22:12 <MarcusLlewellyn> Only the pretty young ones make the list. ;)
2016-08-24 22:13 <Melanie_T> lol
2016-08-25 02:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #4938 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-25 02:59 <Ubit> Neb when you have a chance try master on PI .. see if warp is any visible slower on it, and check mem use
2016-08-25 03:01 <Ubit> i did remove some sin and cos  acelaration code that makes no sense on machines with FPU
2016-08-25 03:01 <Ubit> possible on none, since cpus withou fpu do use optimized C code.. a lot better than c#
2016-08-25 03:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4938: SUCCESS in 5 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4938/
2016-08-25 03:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  why did u used RunInThread? change to RunInThreadPool
2016-08-25 03:06 <Ubit> errr u i meant I.. i added that code :)
2016-08-25 03:08 <Ubit> hmm amend after push looks scary better let ppl gues who is u :p
2016-08-25 03:09 <nebadon> okie dokie
2016-08-25 03:09 <Ubit> ty
2016-08-25 03:12 <Ubit> well guess PIs should not use warp3d :)
2016-08-25 03:13 <Ubit> peak mem use can be very high with it
2016-08-25 03:14 <nebadon> we'll see :)
2016-08-25 03:14 <Ubit> :)
2016-08-25 03:32 <nebadon> seems fine Ubit
2016-08-25 03:32 <nebadon> i even saw it do a GC on Warp3D
2016-08-25 03:32 <Ubit> yeap it was there already
2016-08-25 03:33 <Ubit> petty even that is lazy  and a lot stays still in mem
2016-08-25 03:33 <nebadon> Virt on top for the region shows 465976
2016-08-25 03:33 <nebadon> 0.5gb
2016-08-25 03:33 <nebadon> not even 0.5
2016-08-25 03:33 <Ubit> and before?
2016-08-25 03:33 <nebadon> about the same
2016-08-25 03:33 <Ubit> ok
2016-08-25 03:34 <nebadon> cpu at idle seems a tad higher now
2016-08-25 03:34 <nebadon> but not bad
2016-08-25 03:34 <nebadon> was like 69-70% before
2016-08-25 03:34 <nebadon> now its like 71-73%
2016-08-25 03:34 <Ubit> dont see any change to increase it
2016-08-25 03:34 <nebadon> maybe it will settle down eventually
2016-08-25 03:35 <Ubit> ( that math may increased it  but only during warp rendering )
2016-08-25 03:35 <nebadon> ya cpu was about 180-190% when it was rendering
2016-08-25 03:35 <Ubit> i did remove a periodic  thread creation  even :)
2016-08-25 03:36 <Ubit> on idle state i mean
2016-08-25 03:37 <Ubit> on win mem use was always increasing every sec
2016-08-25 03:37 <Ubit> until .net decided to do a GC
2016-08-25 03:38 <Ubit> so not actually leaks..  but things been created and lazy GC
2016-08-25 03:38 <Ubit> i see it more stable now..  increasing slower
2016-08-25 03:39 <nebadon> nice
2016-08-25 03:39 <Ubit> well we if its just lazy gc, we can't avoid of course :)
2016-08-25 03:39 <nebadon> ok something wierd happened
2016-08-25 03:39 <Ubit> oops ?
2016-08-25 03:39 <nebadon> you know how the maptile is exposed on a jpeg url
2016-08-25 03:39 <nebadon> the tile is about 50% smaller now there
2016-08-25 03:39 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-25 03:39 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-25 03:39 <nebadon> why?
2016-08-25 03:40 <Ubit> on large regions i allowed it to be 512x512
2016-08-25 03:40 <Ubit> changed to normal size
2016-08-25 03:40 <nebadon> so it will always be 256 now?
2016-08-25 03:40 <Ubit> unless you see need for 512 :)
2016-08-25 03:41 <nebadon> well it is a 512x512 var
2016-08-25 03:41 <Ubit> terrain resolution is reduced on large regions ( 2x on 512m )
2016-08-25 03:41 <Ubit> ok so it was a match :)
2016-08-25 03:41 <Ubit> but only old viewers use that right?
2016-08-25 03:41 <nebadon> i dont think any viewers use it actually lol
2016-08-25 03:42 <nebadon> it was just a way to expose the maptile
2016-08-25 03:42 <nebadon> for standalones
2016-08-25 03:42 <Ubit> initially i did remove it
2016-08-25 03:42 <nebadon> i think it was more meant for Web Interfaces
2016-08-25 03:42 <Ubit> but lkalif and dahlia asked me to put it back
2016-08-25 03:42 <nebadon> it was for the original opensimwi-redux
2016-08-25 03:42 <nebadon> it is nice though
2016-08-25 03:43 <nebadon> i use it all the time to verify the tile looks correct
2016-08-25 03:43 <nebadon> really its fine, I just noticed that it changed was all
2016-08-25 03:43 <Ubit> well i can put back my previus up to 512 code
2016-08-25 03:43 <nebadon> so it was always max 512?
2016-08-25 03:43 <nebadon> it didnt match the var size 1:1 ?
2016-08-25 03:43 <Ubit> don't remember how it was in 0.8.2
2016-08-25 03:44 <nebadon> yea me either
2016-08-25 03:44 <Ubit> possible it was full size ?
2016-08-25 03:44 <nebadon> I don't recall its actually been a while since i used it myself
2016-08-25 03:44 <Ubit> not nice on 8km regions at least :)
2016-08-25 03:44 <Ubit> ahh i killed my connection to irc on a 2km region
2016-08-25 03:44 <Ubit> so it was full size
2016-08-25 03:45 <nebadon> lol
2016-08-25 03:45 <Ubit> it killed..
2016-08-25 03:45 <Ubit> don't htink we want assets that large every time a map is updated :)
2016-08-25 03:46 <nebadon> was the command "show stats" removed?
2016-08-25 03:46 <nebadon> how do we view stats now?
2016-08-25 03:46 <Ubit> no a repetion of adding it was removed
2016-08-25 03:46 <nebadon> and why was that removed?
2016-08-25 03:46 <Ubit> it should be there
2016-08-25 03:46 <nebadon> its not
2016-08-25 03:46 <nebadon> doesnt work on my freshly updated pi
2016-08-25 03:46 <nebadon> other non updated region works
2016-08-25 03:46 <nebadon> let me update one of those and see if it stops
2016-08-25 03:47 <Ubit> odd
2016-08-25 03:47 <nebadon> its not even listed on help anymore either
2016-08-25 03:47 <Ubit> do stats show
2016-08-25 03:47 <nebadon> ya
2016-08-25 03:47 <nebadon> that works
2016-08-25 03:47 <nebadon> i didnt even know that was an actual command lol
2016-08-25 03:47 <Ubit> hmm so the repetion was adding also as show stats?
2016-08-25 03:48 <nebadon> i guess so
2016-08-25 03:48 <nebadon> i only ever remember it being show stats
2016-08-25 03:48 <Ubit> i looked the same grrr
2016-08-25 03:48 <nebadon> i wasnt even aware stats show was an option
2016-08-25 03:48 <Ubit> ok let me check :)
2016-08-25 03:48 <Ubit> you know  glasses.. :)
2016-08-25 03:49 <nebadon> btw cpu is now around 69% again
2016-08-25 03:49 <nebadon> guess it finally settled down
2016-08-25 03:49 <Ubit> thinks keep moving 
2016-08-25 03:49 <Ubit> backups etc
2016-08-25 03:50 <Ubit> bahh
2016-08-25 03:50 <Ubit> "stats show"
2016-08-25 03:50 <Ubit> "show stats"
2016-08-25 03:56 <Ubit> well no ideia why both
2016-08-25 03:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #4939 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-25 03:56 <Ubit> but no need to think about it ;)
2016-08-25 03:57 <Ubit> well
2016-08-25 03:57 <Ubit> "Alias for 'stats show' command",
2016-08-25 04:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4939: SUCCESS in 5 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4939/
2016-08-25 04:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  put back the console comand i remove since it is not a repetion
2016-08-25 05:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #4940 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-25 05:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4940: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4940/
2016-08-25 05:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix missing PhysicsProprieties sending on Object select. This is a temporary Fix, entire Object select code needs to be changed
2016-08-25 05:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #4941 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-25 05:57 <Ubit> its objects not object :)
2016-08-25 06:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4941: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4941/
2016-08-25 06:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  first step changing Object Select code
2016-08-25 06:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #4942 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-25 06:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4942: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4942/
2016-08-25 06:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  suspend the use of SelectedObjects list. It is not threadSafe and is not in use (possible cant even be used)
2016-08-25 08:51 <Melanie_T> Ubit: when messing with the select code, please make sure you don't mess up the CreateSelected flag
2016-08-25 08:51 <Melanie_T> it's the flag that tells the viewer to immediately select a new object
2016-08-25 08:51 <Melanie_T> and building becomes very confusing if that is broken
2016-08-25 08:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #4943 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-25 08:56 <Ubit> hmm have not touched on flags
2016-08-25 08:57 <Ubit> well send is now after doing the select but think not relevant on that
2016-08-25 08:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4943: SUCCESS in 7 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4943/
2016-08-25 08:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  send selected objects Proprieties udp part outside update queues and as a physics single caps message per selection request
2016-08-25 16:25 <djphil> Hello, do mumble compatibility is maintained with opendim v0.9.x ?
2016-08-25 16:28 <Ubit> mumble is a external module, so i can tell if its last version is compatible wih 0.9 or not :(
2016-08-25 16:28 <Ubit> i can't tell...
2016-08-25 16:29 <djphil> i remember Justin was keeping compatible with v0.8.x
2016-08-25 16:29 <H-H-H> ive never used it but if someone poits me to some source i can try compiling/running with current git
2016-08-25 16:29 <djphil> but with 0.9.x ... don't know
2016-08-25 16:30 <djphil> lets me check that on jcc github
2016-08-25 16:30 <djphil> yes there are!
2016-08-25 16:31 <djphil> https://github.com/justincc
2016-08-25 16:31 <djphil> is mumble/whisper
2016-08-25 16:31 <djphil> and murmur
2016-08-25 16:32 <djphil> hmmm last change for murmur is 2 years
2016-08-25 16:34 <H-H-H> https://github.com/justincc/whisper_server ?
2016-08-25 16:35 <Ubit> guess thats old
2016-08-25 16:35 <Ubit> wait for someone here with better knowledge about it
2016-08-25 16:35 <djphil> yeap, and i see the whisper forum is done for now
2016-08-25 16:35 <djphil> http://whisper.vcomm.ch/forum
2016-08-25 16:35 <Ubit> i did use it ages ago
2016-08-25 16:36 <djphil> some infos on wiki too
2016-08-25 16:36 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Mumble
2016-08-25 16:36 <H-H-H> i totally forgot about mumble lol i could of used this  few dAYS AGO LOL
2016-08-25 16:37 <Ubit> its nasty  user side
2016-08-25 16:37 <Ubit> you need to replace llvoice or something like that
2016-08-25 16:37 <H-H-H> nasty in what way ?
2016-08-25 16:37 <djphil> why nasty ?
2016-08-25 16:38 <djphil> it worked great, good audio quality
2016-08-25 16:38 <Ubit> if you want to log on a vivox region ( or sl) you need to change that again
2016-08-25 16:38 <Ubit> but yes it did work ok
2016-08-25 16:39 <Ubit> and with lips movement in sync also
2016-08-25 16:39 <Ubit> well you also need its server running somewhere
2016-08-25 16:39 <Ubit> with enought bandwidth
2016-08-25 16:40 <djphil> no really tested that lips movments
2016-08-25 16:40 <djphil> just reach the ears ^^
2016-08-25 16:40 <Ubit> :)
2016-08-25 16:41 <Ubit> for a grid that can have a server, main issue is  the slvoice.exe ?  change
2016-08-25 16:41 <djphil> i have no problem with slvoice.exe
2016-08-25 16:42 <Ubit> you need to replace it with  a mumble version
2016-08-25 16:42 <djphil> ha to use mumble, okayyyy
2016-08-25 16:42 <djphil> yes you need to do that
2016-08-25 16:43 <Ubit> not nice for non tech users that also want to go SL or places using vivox
2016-08-25 16:43 <djphil> you can create a .bat to switch
2016-08-25 16:43 <djphil> sl/mumble
2016-08-25 16:43 <Ubit> as i i did lol
2016-08-25 16:43 <djphil> personnally i use Vivox from a long time agon now
2016-08-25 16:44 <Ubit> but .bat for non tech users.. well :)
2016-08-25 16:44 <djphil> but just whant to know if mumble work again with 0.9.x ...
2016-08-25 16:44 <Ubit> mb one day we can have viewer side switch
2016-08-25 16:44 <Ubit> specially with vivox droping linux suport
2016-08-25 16:44 <djphil> when need a coder for that first
2016-08-25 16:45 <djphil> sl voice is a easy solution
2016-08-25 16:45 <Ubit> possible there is a updated version somewhere already
2016-08-25 16:45 <djphil> yes, possible ...
2016-08-25 16:46 <djphil> MOSE maybee
2016-08-25 16:46 <H-H-H> i dont see why both couldnt be put in viewer folder and a simple check in viewer (which already exists) used to check if on SL or OS and use the coresponding executable
2016-08-25 16:46 <H-H-H> but maybe its to niche a use case
2016-08-25 16:47 <djphil> true H-H-H
2016-08-25 16:47 <Ubit> yeap viewers could do that easy
2016-08-25 16:48 <Ubit> we could send info about the region voice
2016-08-25 16:50 <Ubit> er os can use vivox, freeSomething, mumble or anything else someone decides to code
2016-08-25 16:50 <Ubit> vivox and freesomthing are on core
2016-08-25 16:52 <H-H-H> freeswitch ? :P
2016-08-25 16:52 <djphil> ^^
2016-08-25 16:53 <H-H-H> i never managed to get freeswitch to work at all after following the wiki lol it wouldnt even compile last time i tried to follow the directins
2016-08-25 17:00 <djphil> me too
2016-08-25 17:00 <djphil> (under windows)
2016-08-25 17:08 <nebadon> you are not missing much with freeswitch, its a terrible experience
2016-08-25 17:08 <nebadon> i recommend not ever using it
2016-08-25 17:09 <H-H-H> hmmmmmm i wonder if it would be worth the effort to try to use asterisk for voice chat
2016-08-25 17:10 <nebadon> that would require modifying the viewer
2016-08-25 17:10 <djphil> that a complete and complexe system
2016-08-25 17:10 <nebadon> I think this has been the biggest stumbling block to a new voice system
2016-08-25 17:11 <nebadon> is finding a way to implement something new that doesnt break vivox by doing so
2016-08-25 17:11 <djphil> with new voice codecs (new technology)
2016-08-25 17:11 <Ubit> it is a simple thing to add to viewers that mumble switch for example
2016-08-25 17:11 <nebadon> freeswitch only worked becuase it had a similar codec that offered partial functionality
2016-08-25 17:12 <nebadon> even though it was quite terrible it worked
2016-08-25 17:12 <Ubit> we whould just need to send info on simfeatures or similar cap
2016-08-25 17:12 <djphil> i think of OPUS codec ...
2016-08-25 17:12 <H-H-H> nebadon it wouldnt nescercerilly require a viewer mod but would definately at least need a middle man module
2016-08-25 17:12 <nebadon> if you want the functionality built into the viewer it most certainly would
2016-08-25 17:12 <H-H-H> use whats already there just reidrect it via an external module
2016-08-25 17:13 <Ubit> well about mumble guess the question is more is the viwer side code compatible with new viewers ? :)
2016-08-25 17:13 <nebadon> yea but that would mean controlling it outside of the viewer
2016-08-25 17:13 <nebadon> which would be clunky at best
2016-08-25 17:13 <nebadon> unless its an always on type of thing
2016-08-25 17:13 <nebadon> which has its downsides
2016-08-25 17:14 <nebadon> yea unfortunately the people who did that mumble work never shared their code
2016-08-25 17:14 <H-H-H> yes but mumble voice requires kludgy workarounds to lol so i spose there isnt really a easy solution unless we all win the lottery and put up free vivox servers lol
2016-08-25 17:14 <nebadon> no there will likely never be a simple and easy to setup voice option unfortunately
2016-08-25 17:15 <nebadon> one that just works out of the box anyway
2016-08-25 17:15 <nebadon> especially if you want it to be secure
2016-08-25 17:16 <djphil> A teamspeak solution for opensim exist ?
2016-08-25 17:16 <djphil> never see ...
2016-08-25 17:16 <nebadon> no
2016-08-25 17:16 <nebadon> the only fully working voice option for opensim is vivox
2016-08-25 17:16 <nebadon> you certianly could use teamspeak but it would not be integrated into the viewer at all
2016-08-25 17:17 <H-H-H> didnt they offer free limited servers for opensource stuffs at one point ?
2016-08-25 17:17 <nebadon> probably the best solution would be some kind of external solution not tied to opensim in any way
2016-08-25 17:17 <nebadon> that has some way to load a module into the viewer
2016-08-25 17:17 <H-H-H> vivox i mean
2016-08-25 17:17 <nebadon> so it can have some kind of hud overlay
2016-08-25 17:17 <nebadon> to control the voice more easily
2016-08-25 17:17 <nebadon> they still do
2016-08-25 17:17 <nebadon> as far as I know
2016-08-25 17:18 <nebadon> https://support.vivox.com/opensim/
2016-08-25 17:18 <H-H-H> i heard they were very limited to a point of almost unusability for anyone except a tiny 2 av grid lol
2016-08-25 17:18 <djphil> TeamSpeak is used a lot in the game world
2016-08-25 17:18 <djphil> included or not included in the viewer
2016-08-25 17:18 <nebadon> H-H-H that is nonsense
2016-08-25 17:19 <nebadon> vivox works fine I have used it with 20-30 people no problem
2016-08-25 17:19 <nebadon> a single Vivox node can handle 25k concurrent users
2016-08-25 17:19 <nebadon> they have given opensimulator 1 single node to use for free
2016-08-25 17:19 <nebadon> i can gaurantee you there is no point during any single day where 100% of OSgrid regions and grids combined
2016-08-25 17:20 <nebadon> comes anywhere even close to 25k people using vivox
2016-08-25 17:20 <Ubit> yeah me on WoT and teamspeak telling shoot that tank..  help  they broke my tracks etc etc
2016-08-25 17:20 <djphil> Vivox is yes, sure, but you are 100% dependent on him
2016-08-25 17:20 <nebadon> id be surprised if we are even using 1000 connections a day max
2016-08-25 17:20 <Ubit> with voice also on on a SL region :)
2016-08-25 17:21 <Ubit> ( one with lots of ppl, of course.. )
2016-08-25 17:22 <H-H-H>                           as i said its only what i heard so dont shoot me lol
2016-08-25 17:22 <Ubit> and teamspeak servers are payed
2016-08-25 17:22 <nebadon> its not an ideal situation I am sure people would prefer to run their own servers
2016-08-25 17:22 <nebadon> but I think most people do not realize how difficult it is to setup a PBX style system
2016-08-25 17:23 <nebadon> and the kind of requirements you need to do it correctly
2016-08-25 17:23 <nebadon> heck id even love to ditch skype, but that seems nearly impossible
2016-08-25 17:23 <H-H-H> bah sorry my grandaughtr just decided i needed a few spaces there lol
2016-08-25 17:23 <nebadon> i have yet to find a good replacement for skype even
2016-08-25 17:24 <nebadon> I find teamspeak to difficult to use
2016-08-25 17:24 <nebadon> for most people
2016-08-25 17:24 <nebadon> requires to much hand holding and explaining
2016-08-25 17:24 <nebadon> thats the beauty of skype really
2016-08-25 17:24 <djphil> easy for me
2016-08-25 17:24 <nebadon> any real solution needs to be as simple or skype or vivox
2016-08-25 17:25 <Ubit> you can run ts out of the box as user
2016-08-25 17:25 <djphil> sure poeple like own server and easy server
2016-08-25 17:25 <nebadon> the teamspeak interface is a nightmare
2016-08-25 17:25 <nebadon> i hate it
2016-08-25 17:25 <Ubit> just need the IP and pass
2016-08-25 17:25 <nebadon> its worse than IR
2016-08-25 17:25 <nebadon> IRC*
2016-08-25 17:25 <Ubit> yeap but as user only its simple
2016-08-25 17:26 <Ubit> thats why its so much used in gaming
2016-08-25 17:26 <djphil> probably for large grid that different
2016-08-25 17:27 <Ubit> actually WoT also uses has voice suing vivox
2016-08-25 17:27 <Ubit> but no one uses it, bc its bad and limited to platoons in battle etc
2016-08-25 17:28 <djphil> everything depends on the use you made of your opensim
2016-08-25 17:28 <djphil> sometimes it proves quite useful
2016-08-25 17:30 <Ubit> err
2016-08-25 17:30 <Ubit> i forgot to sleep :)
2016-08-25 17:30 <Ubit> cya later :)
2016-08-25 17:31 <djphil> nite
2016-08-25 17:32 <nebadon> lol
2016-08-25 18:56 <osmantis> Bug #8007:04 Defaults in osslenable.ini are not in line with threat levels for functions-- recommended tweaks 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8007 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-25 20:28 <osmantis> Bug #8007:04 Defaults in osslenable.ini are not in line with threat levels for functions-- recommended tweaks 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8007 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-25 21:17 <Plugh> nebadon: Have you tried that open source program that claims to be an equivalent of Skype/
2016-08-25 21:17 <Plugh> ?
2016-08-25 21:22 <nebadon> Plugh have a name?
2016-08-25 21:22 <nebadon> I tried Tox, its terrible
2016-08-25 21:22 <nebadon> I need something that can do group chat, with ability to share your screen
2016-08-25 21:22 <nebadon> send files
2016-08-25 21:23 <nebadon> it basically needs to replicate skype 100%
2016-08-25 21:23 <Ubit> yeap think Plugh does have a name kcozSomething ?
2016-08-25 21:23 <Ubit> ;)
2016-08-25 21:25 <nebadon> haha
2016-08-25 21:25 <nebadon> i meant the nape of the open source app haha
2016-08-25 21:25 <Ubit> ahh type none does work now for you also?
2016-08-25 21:25 <Ubit> i know .. just kidding :)
2016-08-25 21:25 <nebadon> I havent had a chance to test I will though shortly
2016-08-25 21:25 <nebadon> need to finish up a few things 
2016-08-25 21:25 <Ubit> no hurries :)
2016-08-25 21:26 <Ubit> funny how that never showed on mantis
2016-08-25 21:26 <nebadon> I never experienced it until maybe 2 days ago
2016-08-25 21:26 <Ubit> guess it tells how physics type is in muh use
2016-08-25 21:26 <nebadon> when i was testing the latest Singularity alpha
2016-08-25 21:26 <nebadon> I actually use that a lot
2016-08-25 21:26 <nebadon> on a daily basis
2016-08-25 21:27 <nebadon> i guess i just never noticed it
2016-08-25 21:27 <Ubit> ohh the info was missing
2016-08-25 21:27 <nebadon> which really does seem surprising
2016-08-25 21:27 <Ubit> os misteries :)
2016-08-25 21:30 <Ubit> well i do remember this work in past also
2016-08-25 21:30 <Ubit> guess viewers did issue a req for physics
2016-08-25 21:40 <Plugh> hehe... I like Ubits reponse to "do I have a name"  :)
2016-08-25 21:40 <Plugh> nebadon: Let me have a look. I forgotten it.
2016-08-25 21:40 <Ubit> :)
2016-08-25 21:41 <Plugh> nebadon: There is OpenSkype on github but that isn't the project I remember.
2016-08-25 21:42 <nebadon> ya I think OpenSkype was an alternative for linux
2016-08-25 21:42 <nebadon> but Skype has since come out with a new linux client after many years
2016-08-25 21:43 <nebadon> I dont think OpenSkype has the full functionality either
2016-08-25 21:43 <Plugh> yea, and it isn't up to the old version in some ways.
2016-08-25 21:43 <nebadon> plus its still reliant on the skype back end
2016-08-25 21:43 <Plugh> I'm still using the old version. Skype For Linux Alpha doesn't show all the group chats I'm currently in.
2016-08-25 21:43 <nebadon> its not a standalone version
2016-08-25 21:44 <nebadon> yes I noticed that too
2016-08-25 21:44 <nebadon> however if you can get someone to send you a message
2016-08-25 21:44 <nebadon> or log into both and type something in the group
2016-08-25 21:44 <nebadon> it will show up then you can add it to favorites
2016-08-25 21:44 <nebadon> I have spent a lot of time looking for a skype alternative
2016-08-25 21:45 <nebadon> even the commercial apps you buy just kind of suck in comparison
2016-08-25 21:45 <nebadon> and thats pretty bad considering how flakey skype can be at times
2016-08-25 21:47 <Plugh> Found the name in my browser history. ghetto-skype.
2016-08-25 21:47 <Plugh> nebadon: https://github.com/stanfieldr/ghetto-skype/
2016-08-25 21:47 <nebadon> lol
2016-08-25 21:48 <Plugh> I've run across the project but not tried it.
2016-08-25 21:48 <nebadon> ah so basically another skype client
2016-08-25 21:48 <nebadon> yea id prefer something that isnt skype at all
2016-08-25 21:48 <nebadon> plus it needs to work mostly on Windows and Mac
2016-08-25 21:48 <Plugh> oh, ok
2016-08-25 21:48 <nebadon> and android
2016-08-25 21:48 <Plugh> What about Linux?
2016-08-25 21:48 <nebadon> its a tall order
2016-08-25 21:49 <nebadon> eh linux would be nice but not necessary
2016-08-25 21:49 <nebadon> im pretty much only one at company who uses liux
2016-08-25 21:49 <nebadon> linux*
2016-08-25 21:49 <nebadon> and most of the day im actually in Windows 10
2016-08-25 21:49 <nebadon> cause Autodesk apps
2016-08-25 21:49 <Plugh> That would be ok if it was just for your projects. 
2016-08-25 21:49 <nebadon> ya mostly im looking for Encitra
2016-08-25 21:50 <nebadon> because every single week at our company meeting
2016-08-25 21:50 <nebadon> there always seems to be someone who cant connect or talk or something
2016-08-25 21:50 <nebadon> somtimes we cant use Windows version at all, have to connect from Android
2016-08-25 21:50 <Plugh> How many people typically participate in the meetings
2016-08-25 21:50 <nebadon> its super flakey
2016-08-25 21:50 <nebadon> 6-15
2016-08-25 21:50 <Plugh> ok.
2016-08-25 21:51 <Plugh> Odd that you find it that flakey.
2016-08-25 21:51 <Plugh> Although I haven't done live voice chats with that many people.
2016-08-25 21:51 <nebadon> well it always just seems like 1 person in the group has trouble
2016-08-25 21:51 <Plugh> Is it always the same person?
2016-08-25 21:51 <nebadon> not always no
2016-08-25 21:51 <Plugh> ok
2016-08-25 21:51 <nebadon> last few weeks have been better
2016-08-25 21:51 <nebadon> but there was a long stretch
2016-08-25 21:51 <nebadon> like a year
2016-08-25 21:52 <nebadon> where the 1st 15 minutes of our meeting was always trying to get everyone connected
2016-08-25 21:52 <nebadon> restarting the call several times sometimes
2016-08-25 21:52 <Plugh> Most I've ever done was about 3 or 4 people in a voice call at one time.
2016-08-25 21:52 <nebadon> yea its really the only way we can do weekly company meetings
2016-08-25 21:52 <nebadon> we are spread out over the globe a lot
2016-08-25 21:53 <Plugh> On the other hand, I have one group chat with 21 people in it.
2016-08-25 21:53 <nebadon> California, New Jersey, Germany, Several places in Sweden
2016-08-25 21:53 <Plugh> 
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2016-08-25 21:53 <nebadon> sometimes one or two people are driving down the road in the cair
2016-08-25 21:53 <nebadon> car*
2016-08-25 21:53 <MarcusLlewellyn> http://bigbluebutton.org/ looks interesting.
2016-08-25 21:54 <nebadon> ewww flash
2016-08-25 21:55 <nebadon> thats kind of a deal breaker
2016-08-25 21:55 <MarcusLlewellyn> Unfortunately. But hits all your feature bullet points.
2016-08-25 21:55 <nebadon> does it work on android?
2016-08-25 21:55 <nebadon> most flash stuff doesnt
2016-08-25 21:55 <MarcusLlewellyn> Sats it works on iOS and Android, yup/
2016-08-25 21:55 <MarcusLlewellyn> Says, rather
2016-08-25 21:56 <MarcusLlewellyn> Whoops. "This work is underway"
2016-08-25 21:56 <MarcusLlewellyn> So, might be worth a bookmark, or something.
2016-08-25 21:57 <nebadon> ya
2016-08-25 21:57 <nebadon> I dont see anyway to actually download it
2016-08-25 21:57 <nebadon> just a demo site
2016-08-25 21:58 <nebadon> also not super hot on web apps
2016-08-25 21:58 <nebadon> id prefer a real client
2016-08-25 21:58 <nebadon> and man flash, thats serious deal breaker
2016-08-25 21:59 <MarcusLlewellyn> https://github.com/bigbluebutton/bigbluebutton
2016-08-25 21:59 <nebadon> oh there a download link near bottom of page
2016-08-25 21:59 <nebadon> which oddly takes you to google code
2016-08-25 21:59 <nebadon> strange
2016-08-25 22:00 <nebadon> setup looks crazy complicated
2016-08-25 22:00 <Plugh> grr... I try and run two different viewers at the same time. One starts up fine. The second is very slow.
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2016-08-25 22:00 <MarcusLlewellyn> Prolly the closest you'd get for a client is the client-side stuff wrapped in electron or cordova. That's actually becoming a populat way to make apps.
2016-08-25 22:01 <nebadon> yea I just wish there was something that was easy to setup and works without having to have people attend a training seminar
2016-08-25 22:01 <nebadon> lol
2016-08-25 22:02 <nebadon> im pretty sure im living in fantasy world there haha
2016-08-25 22:03 <nebadon> oh dear god
2016-08-25 22:03 <nebadon> it uses freeswitch
2016-08-25 22:03 <nebadon> uuuuuhg
2016-08-25 22:03 <MarcusLlewellyn> Well, there you go. lol
2016-08-25 22:03 <MarcusLlewellyn> I went on a Skype alternative safari a few months ago. I was disappointed.
2016-08-25 22:03 <nebadon> yea
2016-08-25 22:04 <nebadon> ive been on that safari for about 3 years
2016-08-25 22:04 <MarcusLlewellyn> I hate that we use it for OSCC, but it is the only thing that does what we need there.
2016-08-25 22:04 <nebadon> yea
2016-08-25 22:04 <nebadon> it really seems to be the best and only realistic option
2016-08-25 22:04 <nebadon> unfortunately
2016-08-25 22:04 <nebadon> i had great hopes for Tox
2016-08-25 22:04 <nebadon> but super disappointing
2016-08-25 22:05 <nebadon> its basically one to one I think
2016-08-25 22:05 <nebadon> no group voice
2016-08-25 22:05 <nebadon> and basically if you dont think of yourself a hacker forget it
2016-08-25 22:06 <nebadon> your just not going to grasp it
2016-08-25 22:06 <nebadon> its like Tox: Skype if your Edward Snowden
2016-08-25 22:06 <nebadon> that should be their slogan
2016-08-25 22:07 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yeah... I think you pointed it out when was in a channel a year or more ago. I looked, and kinda saw it wasn't gonna go anywehere with grandma.
2016-08-25 22:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #4944 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-25 22:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4944: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4944/
2016-08-25 22:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: watchdog timeouts: replace a silly List copy i added doing it a better way
2016-08-25 23:47 <nebadon> ok finally getting a chance to test now Ubit, update in progress :)
2016-08-25 23:48 <nebadon> wont be able to test in my actual work environment but hopefully can recreate similar conditions on OSgrid region
2016-08-25 23:49 <Ubit> :)
2016-08-26 00:02 <nebadon> seems to be working Ubit
2016-08-26 00:02 <nebadon> few times it fooled me
2016-08-26 00:02 <nebadon> it said prim, but then like 5 seconds later it changed
2016-08-26 00:03 <Ubit> ohh ?
2016-08-26 00:03 <nebadon> maybe because content was still loading in region
2016-08-26 00:03 <nebadon> i relogged a few times to be sure
2016-08-26 00:03 <Ubit> well physics go via http
2016-08-26 00:03 <nebadon> testing at sisyphus
2016-08-26 00:04 <nebadon> ya now that everything is loaded its doing it instantly always
2016-08-26 00:04 <Plugh> nebadon: What change are you testing?
2016-08-26 00:04 <nebadon> on the features tab in build tool floater
2016-08-26 00:04 <nebadon> physics shape type
2016-08-26 00:04 <Ubit> features, physics display was broken
2016-08-26 00:05 <Ubit> shape type gravity.. etc
2016-08-26 00:05 <nebadon> if you would change objects without close the tool
2016-08-26 00:05 <nebadon> it wouldnt update 
2016-08-26 00:05 <nebadon> so you wouldnt necessarily be seeing the true value
2016-08-26 00:05 <nebadon> we apparently were not sending updates correctly or something, ubit can explain it better :)
2016-08-26 00:09 <Ubit> yeap we where no sending PhysicsProps
2016-08-26 00:09 <Ubit> just "old" ones
2016-08-26 00:11 <Ubit> i mean on objects select
2016-08-26 00:57 <Plugh> I am in a grid with a region called "The Yukon" but the region wasn't found when I searched for "Yukon".
2016-08-26 01:14 <nebadon> yea
2016-08-26 01:14 <nebadon> that has always been a problem Plugh
2016-08-26 01:15 <nebadon> map search is not very smart
2016-08-26 01:15 <nebadon> it gets even worse when you have like 30 regions with similar name
2016-08-26 01:15 <nebadon> it tends to not return all of them
2016-08-26 01:15 <Plugh> If the search term is passed to a SQL query it just needs a % in front
2016-08-26 01:15 <Plugh> yea, I saw the problem with a limit on the number of returns.
2016-08-26 01:15 <nebadon> like in encitra we have name convention like City_Name 01 to City_Name 64
2016-08-26 01:16 <nebadon> and the results get strange at times
2016-08-26 01:17 <nebadon> it gets even worse when multiple cities have similar prefixes
2016-08-26 01:17 <nebadon> like San
2016-08-26 01:17 <nebadon> or Los
2016-08-26 01:17 <nebadon> you may not be able to even find them
2016-08-26 01:19 <Plugh> 
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2016-08-26 03:35 <w-t-h> how about a sim that uses a tiny ram server in leu of what now goes for grid services. could be a tiny init system simular to how linux boots: second life firmware server :P
2016-08-26 03:37 <w-t-h> ( & upon boot it woiuld pivot-root into a traditional sim, if none found it coiuld just kick the avatar out onto the bare internets in 3d mode -_- )
2016-08-26 03:37 <nebadon> lol
2016-08-26 03:38 <nebadon> be interesting to see someone use Windows 10 IOT on a raspberry pi to do that
2016-08-26 03:38 <nebadon> though thats not at all easy to do
2016-08-26 03:39 <nebadon> your app has to be like a full on .net app
2016-08-26 03:39 <nebadon> which opensim is pretty far from
2016-08-26 03:40 <nebadon> unfortunately opensim has a lot of requirements that just arent available in those kind of environments
2016-08-26 03:41 <nebadon> opensim runs suprisingly well on a raspberry pi2 though
2016-08-26 03:42 <Ubit> windows is high modular
2016-08-26 03:42 <Ubit> we do get a pre cooked config for desktop etc
2016-08-26 03:43 <Ubit> but it can be break down to minimal things
2016-08-26 03:43 <Ubit> possible better that linus
2016-08-26 03:43 <Ubit> linux..
2016-08-26 03:43 <nebadon> yea it seemed to me like Windows 10 IOT though needs to be a fully encapsulated .net app
2016-08-26 03:43 <Ubit> on XP  ms sould the embeded version
2016-08-26 03:44 <Ubit> that was almost normal XP with a diferent instaler allowing fine grain selection of components
2016-08-26 03:45 <nebadon> https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/iot/samples/helloworld
2016-08-26 03:46 <Ubit> well yeap managed VMs everywhere now :)
2016-08-26 03:46 <nebadon> be interesting to see if someone could pull it off
2016-08-26 03:46 <nebadon> i suspect it would be quite difficult though
2016-08-26 03:47 <nebadon> and the lack of memory in that type of hardware would really ultimately make it not so useful right now
2016-08-26 03:47 <nebadon> a lot of work for little reward
2016-08-26 03:48 <Ubit> :)
2016-08-26 03:49 <Ubit> on XP i used a thing called BartPE
2016-08-26 03:49 <nebadon> yea ive seen that
2016-08-26 03:49 <Ubit> it also allowed small installs of XP
2016-08-26 04:32 <w-t-h> (presses power button and boots up the tiny world...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YWMGuh15nE )
2016-08-26 04:34 <nebadon> if you really want a tiny world > http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=30244
2016-08-26 13:17 <osmantis> Bug #8007:04 Defaults in osslenable.ini are not in line with threat levels for functions-- recommended tweaks 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8007 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-26 14:44 <osmantis> Bug #8008:04 collision_start Only works on the root prim not children 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8008 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-26 14:46 <osmantis> Bug #8008:04 collision_start Only works on the root prim not children 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8008 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-08-26 14:48 <Plugh> I turn my computer on then almost immediately hear of odd behaviour re: TPs. New avatars logging in for the first time aren't always dropping in at the set landing point.
2016-08-26 14:49 <Plugh> What's even stranger is that the alternate landing point isn't the region center.
2016-08-26 15:01 <nebadon> standard size region or var?
2016-08-26 15:32 <vegaslon> Halcyon has some vehicle physics behavior that looks to not be too complex to port to OpenSim.
2016-08-26 16:07 <nebadon> cool
2016-08-26 16:08 <nebadon> you going to attempt it vegaslon?
2016-08-26 16:08 <vegaslon> thinking about it. Hopefully will have the plumbing for mouselook stearing in vehicles soon
2016-08-26 16:09 <nebadon> nice
2016-08-26 16:56 <fantasy2016> why i have problem to walk on stairs? can i do something in my opensimulator?
2016-08-26 16:57 <Ubit> stairs depends on the physics engine
2016-08-26 16:57 <jakdaniels> also depends on whether they are made from prims, sculps or mesh ;)
2016-08-26 16:57 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-26 16:57 <jakdaniels> ^sculpts
2016-08-26 16:58 <Ubit> if i remember stairs work better on prims
2016-08-26 16:58 <fantasy2016> it is in mesh with blender how i can do to work well?
2016-08-26 16:58 <Ubit> also physics only see the physics part oh the mesh
2016-08-26 16:59 <jakdaniels> when you import the mesh, use the same mesh as the physics mesh too
2016-08-26 16:59 <Ubit> a comum optimization for mesh stairs is replace the steps by a ramp
2016-08-26 16:59 <jakdaniels> or that too.... :)
2016-08-26 16:59 <Ubit> or you can do it in world also
2016-08-26 16:59 <H-H-H> thats cheating lol
2016-08-26 17:00 <Ubit> simulation is cheating
2016-08-26 17:00 <jakdaniels> looks cool.... gliding up the stairs lol
2016-08-26 17:00 <H-H-H> hey Ubit i can now set parcels of land for sale by auction in the viewer lol
2016-08-26 17:00 <Ubit> we do that all the time even at sl
2016-08-26 17:00 <Ubit> was a must wilt old ode
2016-08-26 17:00 <Ubit> i mean
2016-08-26 17:00 <Ubit> you can do that inworld
2016-08-26 17:01 <fantasy2016> thanks for all 
2016-08-26 17:01 <Ubit> add a box prim  as a ramp
2016-08-26 17:01 <Ubit> mk it invible
2016-08-26 17:01 <Ubit> place it on the stais
2016-08-26 17:01 <Ubit> make the sculp or mesh steps  phantom
2016-08-26 17:01 <jakdaniels> ... then you can fall off the sides cos the rails no longer stop you ;)
2016-08-26 17:02 <Ubit> Duhhh
2016-08-26 17:02 <Ubit> add rails
2016-08-26 17:02 <Ubit> understand
2016-08-26 17:02 <Ubit> simulation is always cheating
2016-08-26 17:02 <fantasy2016> thanks i could be a good edeal to fix but i want to see if i resolve with phisics
2016-08-26 17:03 <fantasy2016> if it is possible
2016-08-26 17:03 <Ubit> we will not make physics cover all those cases
2016-08-26 17:03 <Ubit> we just can't
2016-08-26 17:03 <Ubit> physics has cheating for prim steps ( think some other cases on ubode also)
2016-08-26 17:04 <Ubit> but its also cheating and does fail
2016-08-26 17:04 <MarcusLlewellyn> Ideally, and physics mesh would be a simplified version of the stair mesh people see anyway. So, just an inclides quad, and a few quads on each side for rails.
2016-08-26 17:04 <Ubit> well try bullet and ubOde
2016-08-26 17:05 <Ubit> mb ubOde will do it a bit better
2016-08-26 17:05 <Ubit> but don't expect mirables
2016-08-26 17:05 <Ubit> or load physics load :p
2016-08-26 17:05 <Ubit> low..
2016-08-26 17:06 <MarcusLlewellyn> My reply was typotastic. moar cawfee...
2016-08-26 17:06 <H-H-H> 
ACTION does the rounds with the coffe cart

2016-08-26 17:07 <Ubit> but specially if steps height is small  replacing by a ramp, either on the mesh or with a extra prim
2016-08-26 17:07 <MarcusLlewellyn> :D
2016-08-26 17:07 <Ubit> is the best option
2016-08-26 17:07 <Ubit> ( same for rails :p )
2016-08-26 17:07 <osmantis> Bug #8007:04 Defaults in osslenable.ini are not in line with threat levels for functions-- recommended tweaks 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8007 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-26 17:09 <Ubit> hmm someone had a nice video on that for meshs
2016-08-26 17:10 <MarcusLlewellyn> There's a plugin for blender that'll also generate a convex hull for ya, thought I haven't played with it much.
2016-08-26 17:10 <Ubit> well viewers do a convex ull
2016-08-26 17:10 <Ubit> hull
2016-08-26 17:11 <MarcusLlewellyn> depends on your physics engine.
2016-08-26 17:11 <MarcusLlewellyn> If you're talking about upload, anyway
2016-08-26 17:11 <Ubit> viewer convex hull does not depend about physics engine 
2016-08-26 17:12 <Ubit> ( may vary a bit if its done by havoc or hacd or what the name is )
2016-08-26 17:13 <Ubit> sculps convex currently does depend on engine
2016-08-26 17:13 <Ubit> ubode convex is just a lower resolution sculpt
2016-08-26 17:13 <Ubit> bullet.. hmm .. don't remember :)
2016-08-26 17:13 <MarcusLlewellyn> There are circumstances in which you may not want the generated hull to match your mesh as much. May want the branches of a tree gone, so only thr trunk collides, for example.
2016-08-26 17:14 <Ubit> convex hull is mandatory
2016-08-26 17:14 <Ubit> there must be one all the time
2016-08-26 17:14 <MarcusLlewellyn> Never said it wasn't.
2016-08-26 17:14 <Ubit> now using it  is another story :)
2016-08-26 17:14 <MarcusLlewellyn> Only saying there's use cases in which it won't match the visible mesh as much as you'd think.
2016-08-26 17:15 <Ubit> it rarelly matchs
2016-08-26 17:15 <Ubit> on on simple ones
2016-08-26 17:15 <Ubit> only
2016-08-26 17:15 <Ubit> in other cases  it can be meters away
2016-08-26 17:15 <MarcusLlewellyn> I mean more than that. Say wholly invisible barriers, or the tree branches in my previous example.
2016-08-26 17:16 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-26 17:16 <Ubit> well this is all about cheating :)
2016-08-26 17:16 <MarcusLlewellyn> Indeedy.
2016-08-26 17:16 <fantasy2016> sorry but why with my simulator simply basic configuration just start land after restart stop to load texture it is possilble to fix this
2016-08-26 17:16 <Ubit> so it does work nicely with minimal cost
2016-08-26 17:18 <fantasy2016> do you know this?
2016-08-26 17:18 <Ubit> can't guess what you have fantasy2016 :(
2016-08-26 17:18 <MarcusLlewellyn> fantasy2016, your question is difficult to understand.
2016-08-26 17:19 <fantasy2016> i have last version of opensim dev
2016-08-26 17:19 <fantasy2016> with just land
2016-08-26 17:19 <Ubit> got it where?
2016-08-26 17:19 <fantasy2016> gift hub
2016-08-26 17:19 <Ubit> well if you are new on opensim
2016-08-26 17:20 <Ubit> i recomend you use the osgrid nins
2016-08-26 17:20 <Ubit> bins
2016-08-26 17:20 <jakdaniels> and ini files too
2016-08-26 17:20 <Ubit> they came with a more new users friendly configuration
2016-08-26 17:21 <Ubit> our own.. well we will get there ;)
2016-08-26 17:22 <osmantis> Bug #8007:04 Defaults in osslenable.ini are not in line with threat levels for functions-- recommended tweaks 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8007 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-26 17:22 <Ubit> ( specially if you plane to connect to osgrid.. all those grid URLs already there )
2016-08-26 17:22 <Ubit> ..plan..
2016-08-26 17:23 <fantasy2016> ok but the simulator work in standalone simply notthing special standard cofiguration after restart stop to load textur i must to stop end restar simulator 
2016-08-26 17:24 <fantasy2016> restart mean region
2016-08-26 17:25 <fantasy2016> i know that is the same problem in clone grid that use dev simulator
2016-08-26 17:25 <jakdaniels> so are you saying: After restarting a region via viewer 'restart region' button then textures stop loading?
2016-08-26 17:26 <fantasy2016> with viewer and console the same
2016-08-26 17:26 <jakdaniels> or do you restart the region from the opensimulator console?
2016-08-26 17:26 <jakdaniels> ok
2016-08-26 17:26 <jakdaniels> but id f you restart the simulator then it works ok?
2016-08-26 17:26 <fantasy2016> yes 
2016-08-26 17:27 <Ubit> err avoid console restarts
2016-08-26 17:27 <jakdaniels> after a region restart via console or viewer command...... does quitting and restarting viewer make any difference?
2016-08-26 17:27 <osmantis> Bug #8007:04 Defaults in osslenable.ini are not in line with threat levels for functions-- recommended tweaks 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8007 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-26 17:28 <Ubit> it is safer to relog yes
2016-08-26 17:29 <fantasy2016> not load after relog 
2016-08-26 17:29 <fantasy2016> resolve only to stop simulator
2016-08-26 17:29 <Ubit> but region console restart should only be done if a full program restart is not a option
2016-08-26 17:30 <Ubit> ( like restart a region on a program with several )
2016-08-26 17:30 <jakdaniels> Ubit.... surely it should be possible to restart a region from the console or from viewer inworld (regardless of one or many regions running on one simulator).
2016-08-26 17:30 <Ubit> yes
2016-08-26 17:30 <jakdaniels> It always used to be possible AFAIK
2016-08-26 17:31 <Ubit> but you are more in the hands of our bugs, .net bugs etc
2016-08-26 17:31 <Ubit> it is possible.. just telling that a ful application restart is a safer option :)
2016-08-26 17:32 <Ubit> actuallly not only bc of any bug we may have
2016-08-26 17:32 <Plugh> nebadon: That landing point issue is with a regular sized region.
2016-08-26 17:32 <Ubit> but on how memory etc is handled by .net
2016-08-26 17:33 <Ubit> understand jak ?
2016-08-26 17:34 <MarcusLlewellyn> The inworld or console restarts have pretty much always been regarded as broken. The advice for ages now is to set your config to shutdown on an inworld restart, and allow it to be restarted by another watchdog process.
2016-08-26 17:34 <Ubit> i should add the i did a full aplication restarts on my regions periodicly )
2016-08-26 17:34 <jakdaniels> He mentioned textures stop working.... does restarting the region do something bad to the CAPS sent to the viewer? Or is one of the pseudo robust services that a standalone provides (asset service) stop working? Or maybe a region cache problem...? 
2016-08-26 17:34 <jakdaniels> lol I don't know...
2016-08-26 17:34 <Plugh> jakdaniels: One of the issues with stairs is their height. You should keep the stairs to no more than 0.25m in height to be on the safe side.
2016-08-26 17:35 <Ubit> in world restart can't ever be as good as full application restart
2016-08-26 17:35 <Ubit> it is usefull .. does work ( i hope )  err it doesn't  lol
2016-08-26 17:36 <jakdaniels> I do appreciate that, of course.... that's what I do always... I restart each opensim instance (and the region or regions it's running all together)
2016-08-26 17:36 <fantasy2016> if think stop working both asset service and region cache
2016-08-26 17:36 <Ubit> scripts for example 
2016-08-26 17:36 <Ubit> deleted scripts memory may not be released on a console restart
2016-08-26 17:37 <jakdaniels> is there a way to plug the viewer 'restart region' button so it shuts down the simulator (which then get restarted by external watchdog script)?
2016-08-26 17:38 <Ubit> things like linux monit will do that
2016-08-26 17:38 <Ubit> you just kiil the application in world ( shutdown)
2016-08-26 17:38 <Ubit> monit if configured will detect it is dead and fire it again
2016-08-26 17:39 <Ubit> i used it i think
2016-08-26 17:39 <jakdaniels> I use my own scripts to run multiple instances of OS... and retrigger them (or mark them as broken if stop/start is too frequent)
2016-08-26 17:39 <Ubit> yeap scripts can also be uses
2016-08-26 17:39 <Ubit> hmm
2016-08-26 17:39 <jakdaniels> .... but my question was about the inworld restart region options
2016-08-26 17:40 <Ubit> i add some to force oar savings every morning.. sql dumps, and regions programs full restart
2016-08-26 17:40 <jakdaniels> I guess ATM this cannot be made to shutdown the simulator...
2016-08-26 17:40 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yes, there is a config setting for it.
2016-08-26 17:40 <MarcusLlewellyn> Although I can't remember where/whart it is ogghand, you can set a restarts to be a shutdown
2016-08-26 17:41 <jakdaniels> ah ok.... I thought that's what you were alluding too earlier.... hence the question
2016-08-26 17:42 <Ubit> well i was only talking about diferences btw restart and full app shutdown :)
2016-08-26 17:42 <MarcusLlewellyn> Here it is. In [Startup], the option is InworldRestartShutdown = false
2016-08-26 17:42 <MarcusLlewellyn> Just set that to true.
2016-08-26 17:42 <MarcusLlewellyn> Doing that wilkl ensure the most stable experience.
2016-08-26 17:42 <jakdaniels> ok.... then there is the answer (almost) for fantasy2016
2016-08-26 17:43 <Ubit> of course assuming you have something like monit to bring it back automaticly :)
2016-08-26 17:43 <jakdaniels> fantasy2016... are you running OS standalone on windows or linux?
2016-08-26 17:43 <fantasy2016> standalone on windows 
2016-08-26 17:43 <Ubit> any erros on console fantasy2016 ?
2016-08-26 17:44 <fantasy2016> notthing 
2016-08-26 17:44 <fantasy2016> if u want i do this now and coy message
2016-08-26 17:44 <jakdaniels> ok.... you need to write a batch file script possibly that restarts it if it terminates..... or maybe is there some kind of run as a service thing that could be used?
2016-08-26 17:45 <fantasy2016> ah ok if there isn't another solution
2016-08-26 17:45 <Ubit> on linux there are several serives you can use
2016-08-26 17:46 <Ubit> Monit is one i just liked  and used 
2016-08-26 17:47 <fantasy2016> ok no problen but the edeal to retargeting to .net 6.0 ?
2016-08-26 17:47 <fantasy2016> so no problem with mono
2016-08-26 17:47 <Ubit> we use .net 4.0
2016-08-26 17:48 <fantasy2016> i know i see code
2016-08-26 17:48 <fantasy2016> i think .net 6 to compatibility windows and linux 
2016-08-26 17:48 <Ubit> not sure retarget to a higher version that good
2016-08-26 17:49 <Ubit> bc some don't actually have good bw compatibility
2016-08-26 17:49 <fantasy2016> bu u have .net in both window linux
2016-08-26 17:49 <Plugh> jakdaniels: ping
2016-08-26 17:49 <fantasy2016> without mono
2016-08-26 17:49 <nebadon> I am not sure mono can do 4.6 
2016-08-26 17:50 <Ubit> keep it 4.0 its safer
2016-08-26 17:50 <jakdaniels> on windows you might look at something like http://www.eltima.com/products/application-as-service/ .... or write your own launcher/relauncher in C#/.net
2016-08-26 17:50 <jakdaniels> Plugh: pong
2016-08-26 17:50 <nebadon> definitely cant do 6.0
2016-08-26 17:52 <Ubit> ( fantasy2016  new things also mean new unkown bugs :p)
2016-08-26 17:52 <nebadon> yea things may get deprecated too
2016-08-26 17:53 <fantasy2016> i now this but i could be more faster and other good things 
2016-08-26 17:53 <Ubit> well a lot slower on things like .net
2016-08-26 17:53 <nebadon> generally that is only true if you write the code to work properly under those new conditions
2016-08-26 17:53 <Ubit> 1.0 things are there
2016-08-26 17:54 <nebadon> just converting an old app doesnst necessarily mean its using new methods
2016-08-26 17:54 <Ubit> in .net that means trouble
2016-08-26 17:54 <nebadon> yea sometimes in newer versions the old stuff works worse
2016-08-26 17:54 <nebadon> cause no one is caring about it anymore
2016-08-26 17:54 <Ubit> bc 1.0 things don't work on 4.0 as they do on 3.0 for example
2016-08-26 17:55 <Plugh> jakdaniels: Have you looked at the birds module lately? There is a problem in the shutdown sequence that results in it throwing red text.
2016-08-26 17:55 <Plugh> Line 232 of FlockingModule.cs
2016-08-26 17:55 <Ubit> is many cases just bc they changed security policies etc etc
2016-08-26 17:56 <jakdaniels> Plugh: no I've been so busy with work projects that all my os stuff has gone on hold.. also I'm trying to migrate servers for my os regions too atm
2016-08-26 17:56 <jakdaniels> can you pastebin me the error?
2016-08-26 17:56 <Ubit> well we do it on 4.0 so tell the run time it was done for 4.0
2016-08-26 17:56 <Plugh> sure. just a sec...
2016-08-26 17:57 <jakdaniels> fantasy2016: try writing a batch file called opensim.bat . In it put:
2016-08-26 17:57 <jakdaniels> @echo off
2016-08-26 17:57 <Plugh> jakdaniels: http://pastebin.com/MDFAnwiL
2016-08-26 17:57 <jakdaniels> OpenSim.exe
2016-08-26 17:57 <jakdaniels> opensim.bat
2016-08-26 17:58 <jakdaniels> - it will loop and restart the process if it fails. Use CTRL-C to quit the batch file ;)
2016-08-26 17:58 <Ubit> damm birds :p
2016-08-26 17:58 <Plugh> :)
2016-08-26 17:58 <Plugh> I had to disable the birds module in a grid after the grid was updated to 0.9 as it seemed to cause problems. A number of regions weren't starting properly.
2016-08-26 17:58 <Plugh> I haven't had time to investigate that further.
2016-08-26 17:59 <fantasy2016> thanks jakdaniels
2016-08-26 18:00 <jakdaniels> eh? [OpenSimBirds]: Removing region OAR files from this module    - I've not seen that before
2016-08-26 18:00 <jakdaniels> and [XEngine]: Shutting down 297 scripts in OAR files
2016-08-26 18:00 <Ubit> its the birds thing
2016-08-26 18:00 <jakdaniels> oh... is that the name of the region?
2016-08-26 18:01 <Ubit> or module name?
2016-08-26 18:01 <jakdaniels> no it's the region name
2016-08-26 18:01 <Ubit> er OAR seems region name
2016-08-26 18:01 <Ubit> but the crash is a NULL ref on Flocking.FlockingModule.RemoveRegion 
2016-08-26 18:02 <jakdaniels> fantasy2016: you may need to code paths into that batch file for OpenSim.exe and recalling the batch file
2016-08-26 18:02 <Ubit> plugh its one region per instance?
2016-08-26 18:03 <Plugh> yes
2016-08-26 18:03 <Ubit> ok
2016-08-26 18:03 <Plugh> jakdaniels: I was just trying to provide a line of context for when the error was being triggered.
2016-08-26 18:03 <Ubit> have fun debuging it :)
2016-08-26 18:04 <fantasy2016> jakdaniels i undestand thanks for the solution
2016-08-26 18:04 <jakdaniels> My RemoveRegion function just trys to remove all the EventManagers it setup. Have they been removed from under me?
2016-08-26 18:04 <Ubit> no
2016-08-26 18:04 <Plugh> I think it has to do with the sequence of the shutdown of a region module. More than one function  in module is being called during the shutdown process and one of the functions is disposing of something referenced in a later call as part of the shutdown.
2016-08-26 18:05 <Ubit> check if you didn't lost  Scene reference already etc
2016-08-26 18:06 <jakdaniels> yeah, i think so too.... the order of things that happen during a region shutdown has changed?
2016-08-26 18:06 <Ubit> u ask hard questions :p
2016-08-26 18:06 <jakdaniels> probably need a few more  if(scene!=null) { 
2016-08-26 18:07 <Ubit> if you didn't lost it, it should be there
2016-08-26 18:07 <jakdaniels> so.... can public void RemoveRegion (Scene scene) give you a scene that is null?
2016-08-26 18:07 <Ubit> its a NonShared module ?
2016-08-26 18:07 <jakdaniels> yep
2016-08-26 18:07 <Ubit> ok
2016-08-26 18:08 <Plugh> You should check which of the close/removal functions is called during shutdown of a module and the order they are called. Once you know the ordered you can check what is being done in each of calls.
2016-08-26 18:08 <jakdaniels> it should be 1:RemoveRegion then 2: Close
2016-08-26 18:09 <Ubit>            if (!m_Enabled)
2016-08-26 18:09 <Ubit>                 return;
2016-08-26 18:10 <Ubit> is usefull also :)
2016-08-26 18:10 <Ubit> well can't guess without code
2016-08-26 18:11 <jakdaniels> Ah, but my module loads even if not enabled.... so you can enable it via inworld later if required. I use m_startup ;) ;)
2016-08-26 18:11 <jakdaniels> https://github.com/JakDaniels/OpenSimBirds/blob/master/Module/BirdsModule/FlockingModule.cs
2016-08-26 18:12 <Ubit> don't do config on Addregion
2016-08-26 18:12 <Ubit> do it on Initialise
2016-08-26 18:13 <jakdaniels> ok.... that's a good point
2016-08-26 18:13 <jakdaniels> Init is after Addregion?
2016-08-26 18:13 <Ubit> before
2016-08-26 18:14 <jakdaniels> what is the problem when using AddRegion?
2016-08-26 18:14 <Ubit> init is on module load
2016-08-26 18:14 <Ubit> yes
2016-08-26 18:14 <jakdaniels> I require to load separate configs for each region the simulator is running... so AddRegion is better than Init?
2016-08-26 18:14 <Ubit> get things like m_startup = cnf.GetBoolean("BirdsModuleStartup", true);,  enabled etc 
2016-08-26 18:14 <Ubit> in init
2016-08-26 18:15 <Ubit> all init actually
2016-08-26 18:15 <jakdaniels> noooo.... I need the region name to get the right configs
2016-08-26 18:17 <jakdaniels> Birds configs go in a region.ini file and are unique to each running region on a simulator
2016-08-26 18:17 <Plugh> [OT] ok, this is very strange. I'm listening to a bluegrass music station and they are doing a bluegrass version of the old 70s song Spiders and Snakes.
2016-08-26 18:18 <jakdaniels> that's why its a NonShared region module
2016-08-26 18:18 <Ubit> why remove events twice?
2016-08-26 18:18 <jakdaniels> just in case..... lol ;)
2016-08-26 18:19 <Plugh> hehe
2016-08-26 18:19 <Ubit> well make module init on Init
2016-08-26 18:19 <Ubit> remove events on remove region
2016-08-26 18:19 <Ubit> ok leave region related init on add region if you can't avoid
2016-08-26 18:20 <jakdaniels> The module has nothing to do when it loads/inits.... it needs to bind to a region before it can get a config for that region
2016-08-26 18:22 <jakdaniels> so anyway... Plugh.... either m_view or scene has been destroyed already by the time RemoveRegion is called....
2016-08-26 18:23 <jakdaniels> neither of which should be happening
2016-08-26 18:26 <jakdaniels> I don't really want to have to wrap it in a try {} catch{exception e}
2016-08-26 18:27 <Plugh> jakdaniels: I'm not sure why m_view (FlockingView type) seems to have gone away.
2016-08-26 18:28 <Plugh> Was m_view.Clear() previously called? Could that have caused disposal of the variables contents?
2016-08-26 18:28 <Ubit> not sure sogs are there at that point
2016-08-26 18:28 <Plugh> Shouldn't be too hard to debug. The problem is consistent.
2016-08-26 18:30 <Ubit> well they are in gc anyway
2016-08-26 18:31 <jakdaniels> m_view is a private reference to the class FlockingView.  Clear is just a method that removes the birds from the sogmap which was created when the module was enabled. Is there some kind of GC problem here?
2016-08-26 18:31 <Ubit> but region does delete is SOGs on shutdown
2016-08-26 18:32 <jakdaniels> before or after RemoveRegion?
2016-08-26 18:32 <Ubit> you ask hard questions :p
2016-08-26 18:33 <jakdaniels> it should be after all region module 'removeRegions' have been called
2016-08-26 18:33 <jakdaniels> ^RemoveRegion
2016-08-26 18:33 <Ubit> mb
2016-08-26 18:34 <jakdaniels> you can't tear down a region while there are active modules using it's scene and sog surely? ;)
2016-08-26 18:35 <jakdaniels> brb... need to add veg.pizza to kitchen.oven...
2016-08-26 18:35 <Ubit> nahh error is on line 232
2016-08-26 18:35 <Ubit> you just don't have m_view
2016-08-26 18:36 <Ubit> m:view is the null reg
2016-08-26 18:36 <jakdaniels> so where did that go then? ;)
2016-08-26 18:36 <Ubit> regf
2016-08-26 18:36 <Ubit> grrr REF
2016-08-26 18:36 <Ubit> lol
2016-08-26 18:38 <jakdaniels> so during AddRegion I create an instance:
2016-08-26 18:38 <jakdaniels> m_view = new FlockingView(m_name, m_scene);
2016-08-26 18:38 <jakdaniels> so shouldn't that stay around so it's available even in RemoveRegion...?
2016-08-26 18:39 <jakdaniels> but hey... Im_view is private (to the module I thought) but actually should it be public or something ewlse?
2016-08-26 18:41 <Ubit> its private to the module so. ok
2016-08-26 18:41 <Ubit> lol
2016-08-26 18:41 <Ubit> check it its the SAME REGION :)
2016-08-26 18:41 <Ubit> well should be 
2016-08-26 18:48 <Ubit> well just try a silly thing
2016-08-26 18:49 <Ubit> if(m_scene == scene)  m_view.clear
2016-08-26 18:51 <Ubit> hmm you are adding the birds on addregion ?
2016-08-26 18:51 <jakdaniels> I don't see anything wrong with the code.... something else must be either removing m_view or removing the sog so that m_view.Clear() breaks. I'm not setup to recode/recompile and test atm. I'm just looking at my code on github
2016-08-26 18:51 <Ubit> error inside m_view will tell that on the error
2016-08-26 18:52 <Ubit> stack trace says line 232
2016-08-26 18:52 <Ubit> so for some reason m_view is null there
2016-08-26 18:53 <Ubit> and don't like you adding birds on region add
2016-08-26 18:53 <jakdaniels> yes I create an instance of m_view (and also m_model for the obstacles) during AddRegion.
2016-08-26 18:53 <Ubit> should be on primsloaded i guess
2016-08-26 18:53 <jakdaniels> or RegionLoaded?
2016-08-26 18:54 <Ubit> primsload means region made its own.. we are sure its in state to get more
2016-08-26 18:54 <Ubit> before that..  well not sure
2016-08-26 18:55 <jakdaniels> the only reason I used PrimsLoaded was that OS did not honor creating temporary (non persisting) prims. So I hooked this event to delete old one's that had got persisted to the db
2016-08-26 18:55 <jakdaniels> but that is a side issue ;)
2016-08-26 18:56 <Ubit> well it m_view != null will do it also
2016-08-26 18:56 <Ubit> yeap it is
2016-08-26 18:56 <Ubit> like moving module only config to init :p
2016-08-26 18:56 <jakdaniels> yeah.... but I shouldn't have to do that... second guess eveything is still there each time
2016-08-26 18:57 <jakdaniels> things *should* happen in a predictable order... or otherwise what is the point of these hooks?
2016-08-26 18:57 <Ubit> also addregion is tricky
2016-08-26 18:57 <Ubit> if you need to use othre modules, you onlyhave them at regionloaded
2016-08-26 18:59 <Ubit> for example
2016-08-26 18:59 <Ubit>        public void RegionLoaded(Scene scene)
2016-08-26 18:59 <Ubit>         {
2016-08-26 18:59 <Ubit>             m_dialogModule = scene.RequestModuleInterface<IDialogModule>();
2016-08-26 18:59 <Ubit>         }
2016-08-26 19:00 <jakdaniels> should I move code that creates instances and objects to RegionLoaded and only do (region)config load during AddRegion?
2016-08-26 19:00 <Ubit> yes
2016-08-26 19:00 <Ubit> addregion is telling scene the module is there
2016-08-26 19:01 <Ubit> doing all possible mod init
2016-08-26 19:01 <Ubit> so you only have alist of all availble modules at regionloaded
2016-08-26 19:03 <jakdaniels> other way round surely.... scene calls addregion for each module when it creates the region.... then calls RegionLoaded when the scene loading is complete?
2016-08-26 19:03 <Ubit> prims..  better after primsloaded
2016-08-26 19:03 <Ubit> when it knows about all modules
2016-08-26 19:03 <Ubit> and yes possible other load process.. not looking to code alo
2016-08-26 19:04 <jakdaniels> ....but... sounds like a plan to try.... move some code to RegionLoaded.
2016-08-26 19:04 <Ubit> well just cleanup to avoid problems
2016-08-26 19:04 <jakdaniels> What about event handlers.... can they be registered during AddRegion or is better in RegionLoaded?
2016-08-26 19:04 <Ubit> addregion
2016-08-26 19:05 <jakdaniels> heh.... what's the chane a frame event will occur between AddRegion and RegionLoaded?
2016-08-26 19:05 <jakdaniels> ^chance
2016-08-26 19:05 <Ubit> ( if they use otner modules you need to check for null )
2016-08-26 19:06 <Ubit> things are async
2016-08-26 19:06 <jakdaniels> I know.... that's the problem ;)
2016-08-26 19:06 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-26 19:06 <Ubit> well even so
2016-08-26 19:07 <Ubit> not sure why m_view is null there
2016-08-26 19:08 <jakdaniels> When I next look at the code in a fix/recompile/try cycle... I will look at placing all the code beneath //initmodule (line 200) https://github.com/JakDaniels/OpenSimBirds/blob/master/Module/BirdsModule/FlockingModule.cs into RegionLoaded
2016-08-26 19:08 <jakdaniels> and hope that an event doesn't trigger in between ;)
2016-08-26 19:09 <Ubit> set onframe when you are ready
2016-08-26 19:10 <Ubit> guess it can even be on primsloaded
2016-08-26 19:10 <jakdaniels> ok... good point... could set these events there also if m_model and m_view!=null
2016-08-26 19:10 <jakdaniels> or that even
2016-08-26 19:10 <Ubit> and make sure you deleted them if you did add them
2016-08-26 19:11 <Ubit> not sure events like deletes of things not there
2016-08-26 19:11 <jakdaniels> hehe yeah I do belt and braces on removing the events
2016-08-26 19:11 <Ubit> possible they do.. not sure
2016-08-26 19:11 <jakdaniels> that's why I try again to deregister events in Close()
2016-08-26 19:12 <jakdaniels> is there any harm in trying to remove an event registration twice?
2016-08-26 19:15 <Ubit>  - seems ok
2016-08-26 19:15 <Ubit> +  not ok :)
2016-08-26 19:16 <Ubit> well depends
2016-08-26 19:16 <Ubit> just no need to do it on close also
2016-08-26 19:16 <Plugh> event registrations only need to be removed in one place.
2016-08-26 19:17 <Ubit> yeap removeregion is the right place
2016-08-26 19:17 <Ubit> err for scene events
2016-08-26 19:18 <Ubit> IScriptModuleComms comms = m_scene.RequestModuleInterface<IScriptModuleComms>();
2016-08-26 19:19 <Ubit> needs to be on regionloaded or after
2016-08-26 19:24 <Ubit> regionLoaded name is confusing
2016-08-26 19:25 <Ubit> guess should be regionModulesLoaded
2016-08-26 19:25 <jakdaniels> but it is called when each region module is loaded not after all are loaded?
2016-08-26 19:26 <jakdaniels> oooh yes actually it is after all have been load according to wiki
2016-08-26 19:26 <Ubit> its Addregion for all  then regionloaded for all
2016-08-26 19:26 <Ubit> not real region loaded ( ie prims etc )
2016-08-26 19:27 <Ubit> so you need to do scene.EventManager.OnPrimsLoaded -= PrimsLoaded on addregion
2016-08-26 19:27 <jakdaniels> probably no harm in deregistering event handlers on Close as well as RemoveRegion as simulator is going down anyway ;), but I will fix this too in the next cycle
2016-08-26 19:28 <Ubit> and most other stuff on that event
2016-08-26 19:28 <jakdaniels> do you mean += ;)
2016-08-26 19:28 <Ubit> iopos i mean +  wrong paste
2016-08-26 19:28 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-26 19:29 <jakdaniels> so that I do already.... just the creation of instances of classes to move to RegionLoaded
2016-08-26 19:30 <Ubit> that is called just after region loaded prims from the DB
2016-08-26 19:30 <Ubit> the good point for you to add the ugly things
2016-08-26 19:30 <Ubit> or start..
2016-08-26 19:31 <Ubit> err no scripts still
2016-08-26 19:31 <jakdaniels> heh.... no it's not... found that out the hard way... must subscribe to OnPrimsLoaded event for that.... even in RegionLoaded prims may not all be there.... or so it was in 0.8.2
2016-08-26 19:31 <Ubit> i said to subscribe on addregion
2016-08-26 19:32 <jakdaniels> yes... I was just saying that RegionLoaded call does not guarantee all prims are loaded ;)
2016-08-26 19:32 <jakdaniels> or not in 0.8.2
2016-08-26 19:32 <Ubit> they aren't
2016-08-26 19:33 <jakdaniels> although... it really should be that way....
2016-08-26 19:33 <Ubit> as i said read RegionLoaded as RegionModulesLoaded
2016-08-26 19:34 <jakdaniels> ah yes.... that fine distinction. I'd missed that. You're right, it has the wrong name...
2016-08-26 19:34 <Ubit> you could even delay al until a client gets in :)
2016-08-26 19:36 <Ubit> or OnRegionUp
2016-08-26 19:36 <Ubit> OOPPs NO
2016-08-26 19:36 <jakdaniels> maybe, but spawning and mapping terrain and prim obstacles takes a bit of time.... would make first region login a big spike ;)
2016-08-26 19:36 <Ubit> forget region is other regjion lol
2016-08-26 19:38 <Ubit> OnRegionStarted is just before heartbeat
2016-08-26 19:39 <Ubit> i mean heartbeat start
2016-08-26 19:39 <jakdaniels> does that happen for the first time after even OnPrimsLoaded?
2016-08-26 19:40 <Ubit> damm multitask :)
2016-08-26 19:42 <Ubit> yeap all there
2016-08-26 19:42 <Ubit> just scripts not running
2016-08-26 19:48 <jakdaniels> ubit: thank you for your insights into this.... much better than the wiki ;)
2016-08-26 20:04 <Ubit> well guess mel is expert on modules here
2016-08-26 20:05 <Ubit> or diva :)
2016-08-26 20:06 <Melanie_T> The process is like this:
2016-08-26 20:06 <Melanie_T> AddRegion: get all info needed about a region. Register any interfaces the module provides, hook any region level events
2016-08-26 20:07 <Melanie_T> RegionLoaded: Obtain handles to any other region module interfaces you need to call, hook client events
2016-08-26 20:07 <Melanie_T> RemoveRegion: null all references to modules and scenes, untie events
2016-08-26 20:07 <Melanie_T> RegionLoaded is NOT RegionReady
2016-08-26 20:08 <Melanie_T> that is a different module and RegionLoaded is not a misnomer
2016-08-26 20:08 <Melanie_T> it IS "loaded" at that point
2016-08-26 20:08 <Melanie_T> the _region_ is!
2016-08-26 20:08 <Melanie_T> the scripts are loaded by the script engine which is a module!
2016-08-26 20:08 <Melanie_T> once all modules are done initializing, the RegionReadyModule raises the RegionReady event
2016-08-26 20:08 <Melanie_T> which enables logins
2016-08-26 20:09 <Melanie_T> it's all nice and tidy
2016-08-26 20:09 <Ubit> we should rename V that, but cant now bc of modules "outthere"
2016-08-26 20:09 <Melanie_T> as long as one understands that a region is LOADED but not INITIALIZED
2016-08-26 20:09 <Ubit> rename regionLoaded
2016-08-26 20:09 <Melanie_T> no
2016-08-26 20:09 <Melanie_T> the region IS loaded then
2016-08-26 20:09 <Ubit> no what?
2016-08-26 20:09 <Melanie_T> it's just not initialized
2016-08-26 20:09 <Melanie_T> RegionLoaded is a perfectly correct name
2016-08-26 20:09 <Ubit> no it is not :p
2016-08-26 20:10 <Melanie_T> at the time of that call, all parts of the region are loaded
2016-08-26 20:10 <Ubit> but irrelevant we can't change it now
2016-08-26 20:10 <Melanie_T> scripts don't count as part of the region
2016-08-26 20:10 <Melanie_T> they are a module's data
2016-08-26 20:10 <Melanie_T> namely, the script engine's
2016-08-26 20:10 <Melanie_T> loading scripts is not part of loading the region
2016-08-26 20:10 <Melanie_T> loading scripts is part of initializing the region
2016-08-26 20:10 <Melanie_T> which happens AFTER it is loaded
2016-08-26 20:11 <Melanie_T> RegionLoaded is perfectly correct
2016-08-26 20:11 <Ubit> no
2016-08-26 20:11 <Ubit> :p
2016-08-26 20:11 <Melanie_T> then what isn't loaded by then?
2016-08-26 20:11 <jakdaniels> prims ;)
2016-08-26 20:11 <Ubit> dam typed no on a source file 
2016-08-26 20:13 <Melanie_T> prins are also data
2016-08-26 20:13 <Melanie_T> RegionLoaded fires when the REGION is loaded
2016-08-26 20:13 <Melanie_T> that means all software is loaded and all interfaces are usable
2016-08-26 20:13 <Melanie_T> prims and scripts are DATA
2016-08-26 20:13 <Melanie_T> they are not part of the region
2016-08-26 20:13 <Melanie_T> they are it's content
2016-08-26 20:14 <Melanie_T> that is what RegionReady is for
2016-08-26 20:14 <Ubit> confusing naming 
2016-08-26 20:14 <Ubit> but as i said irrelenvant now
2016-08-26 20:14 <Melanie_T> You would not claim that MS Word isn't loaded when it's open and everything, but no document is opened
2016-08-26 20:15 <Melanie_T> it's loaded when the program is ready
2016-08-26 20:15 <Melanie_T> the text doument is data
2016-08-26 20:15 <Melanie_T> in opensim, prims and scripts are the document, the data
2016-08-26 20:16 <jakdaniels> ok... point taken... so OnRegionReady happens after OnPrimsLoaded and after scripts have initialised?
2016-08-26 20:16 <Melanie_T> yes
2016-08-26 20:18 <jakdaniels> ok. useful to know. Would be great to have a flowchart of event triggers from startup to an active, everything running region somewhere on the wiki :)
2016-08-26 20:21 <Plugh> jakdaniels: Now that you know how it works you could update the wiki  ;)
2016-08-26 20:23 <jakdaniels> I would, but I'm still fuzzy on what happens after RegionLoaded.... Obviously the region starts to load data (prims/scripts etc)... there must be some more events that happen for these (like OnPrimsLoaded which I already know about)....
2016-08-26 20:24 <Melanie_T> well, the region loads the prims and fires OnPrimsLoaded
2016-08-26 20:25 <jakdaniels> there must be an event that happens when he console says LOGINS ENABLED after script init too?
2016-08-26 20:25 <Melanie_T> asynchronously, each prim loaded calls RezScript for each of it's scripts
2016-08-26 20:25 <Melanie_T> the script engine wueuees them and loads them
2016-08-26 20:25 <Melanie_T> and finallly raises OnScriptCompileQueueEmpty
2016-08-26 20:25 <Melanie_T> and having seen both that and OnPrimsLoaded
2016-08-26 20:25 <Melanie_T> the RegionReadyModule fires RegionReady
2016-08-26 20:25 <Melanie_T> which then in turn eables logins
2016-08-26 20:26 <jakdaniels> is that last event called OnRegionready and is subscribable by any region module?
2016-08-26 20:28 <jakdaniels> or do we need to monitor both OnPrimsLoaded and OnScriptCompileQueueEmpty to infer that state?
2016-08-26 20:45 <Ubit> last event on regionready is OnRegionReadyStatusChange
2016-08-26 20:45 <Ubit> with parameter scene
2016-08-26 20:46 <Ubit> scene.Ready should be true
2016-08-26 20:46 <jakdaniels> ok so as I interpret it the last event is OnRegionReadyStatusChange and passes true (scene.Ready) when the region has finished loading everything and is ready to accept logins. The same event could also be triggered first (with value false) when a region starts to shutdown and should barr logins, but this is not yet implemented.
2016-08-26 20:46 <Ubit> don't see a OnRegionReady
2016-08-26 20:50 <Ubit> err no.. it passes scene
2016-08-26 20:50 <Ubit> you need to check on it scene.Ready == true to make sure its a ready event
2016-08-26 20:51 <Ubit> dont ask me why..  just looking to code :)
2016-08-26 20:53 <Ubit> think its to allow for regions disable during  loading of oars etc
2016-08-26 20:53 <Ubit> but don't see false been set
2016-08-26 20:59 <jakdaniels> ok... but it sounds like the best event to subscribe to before my region module starts adding prims (with scripts) and starts throwing them around the scene ;)
2016-08-26 21:00 <Ubit> certainly not at add region :)
2016-08-26 21:00 <Ubit> but that is the safer one yes
2016-08-26 21:04 <jakdaniels> yeah, passing in scene is much more useful than a true or false.... thanks Ubit, and Melanie_T :)
2016-08-26 21:04 <Ubit> :)
2016-08-26 21:24 <jakdaniels> Ubit: hehe...off topic a bit, but do you sleep ever? ;) You seem to run mostly on timezone PST, but I have seen you in irc and git committing at all times of day. I think you're on UTC+1 like me, but is maybe that nights are better for coding, and there's more people about in irc...?
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2016-08-26 23:19 <osmantis> Bug #8009:04 BulletSim doesn't work reliably for bullets 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8009 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-26 23:33 <osmantis> Bug #8010:04 BulletSim does not always call collision events on collisions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8010 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-27 00:36 <osmantis> Bug #8009:04 BulletSim doesn't work reliably for bullets 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8009 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-08-27 00:59 <osmantis> Bug #8011:04 BulletSim fails to send land_collision messages on some terrain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8011 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-27 09:27 <Murf> hi, I am trying to run standalone, and I am getting this error any ideas please? Exception: System.ArgumentException: Expand config not found: Const
2016-08-27 09:28 <Murf> it is happening in StandaloneCommon.ini on this line: SRV_HomeURI = "${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}"
2016-08-27 09:32 <Murf> grrrr nm I am Missing Robust.ini
2016-08-27 09:34 <Murf> hmm nope still doing it
2016-08-27 10:11 <Melanie_T> you need o actually set BaseURL and PublicPort higher up
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2016-08-27 14:25 <Murf> Thanks Mel, I worked it out
2016-08-27 15:02 <Ubit> hi, so what should i break today?
2016-08-27 15:02 <Ubit> hmm ok  damm llCollsion.. again
2016-08-27 15:08 <Ubit> err
2016-08-27 15:25 <djphil> Plugh, have you made any change to the email module to work with windows ?
2016-08-27 15:27 <djphil> We talked about it a few weeks ago if you remember
2016-08-27 15:30 <Plugh> yea, we did. There have been several projects I've wanted to work on but haven't gotten around to doing. That's one of them.
2016-08-27 15:30 <djphil> ok, super :)
2016-08-27 15:32 <Plugh> I need to write up a list of projects then set aside a day to work on one particular one and do that a day at a time to at least make a bit of progress on some of the projects.
2016-08-27 15:33 <Plugh> Some projects go back a few years.
2016-08-27 15:33 <djphil> it's logic
2016-08-27 15:34 <djphil> one by one, step by step
2016-08-27 15:41 <djphil> nice ! :)
2016-08-27 15:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #4945 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-27 15:42 <Ubit> oops lost "" on the parameter
2016-08-27 15:42 <djphil> maybee osslenable.ini too
2016-08-27 15:43 <Ubit> wha enable?
2016-08-27 15:43 <djphil> allow oscollisionsound = true/false
2016-08-27 15:43 <Ubit> why should i waste time with that?
2016-08-27 15:43 <Ubit> its enabled
2016-08-27 15:44 <djphil> onlu ossl with restriction go to osslenable.ini ?
2016-08-27 15:44 <djphil> or all ossl
2016-08-27 15:44 <djphil> only*
2016-08-27 15:45 <Ubit> seems most do have checks
2016-08-27 15:45 <djphil> I thought it was possible to enable or disable each ossl function independently
2016-08-27 15:46 <Ubit> yeah a waste of time
2016-08-27 15:46 <djphil> lol
2016-08-27 15:46 <Ubit> a few more also on by default
2016-08-27 15:47 <djphil> point of view
2016-08-27 15:47 <Ubit> only ones with some degree of bad use should have enable check
2016-08-27 15:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4945: SUCCESS in 6 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4945/
2016-08-27 15:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: llCollisionSound(,value) back to disable all sounds. new osCollisionSound(..). allows defualt sounds with volume
2016-08-27 15:47 <djphil> yeah, i understand ...
2016-08-27 15:48 <Ubit> guess initial that was the case of all ossl
2016-08-27 15:49 <djphil> i ask too because a see a lot of ossl function with treath level "none" inside the osslenable.ini
2016-08-27 15:50 <Ubit> yeap me 2
2016-08-27 15:50 <Ubit> dam waste of time 
2016-08-27 15:50 <djphil> lol
2016-08-27 15:53 <Plugh> djphil: There are a few ossl functions that do not include enable/disable options.
2016-08-27 15:54 <H-H-H> PING Plugh
2016-08-27 15:54 <Plugh> pong
2016-08-27 15:55 <H-H-H> i have a link you might find interesting lol after reading scrollback between you and djphil
2016-08-27 15:55 <Ubit> btw some can be in none,  if there is a ideia it maybe usefull do disable
2016-08-27 15:55 <Plugh> ok. What link would that be?
2016-08-27 15:55 <H-H-H> https://github.com/Barosonix/Barosonix-Email-Module
2016-08-27 15:57 <H-H-H> thats the old email module working on fairly recent head i also have the php part so you can have interobject communication via llemail without having an email server
2016-08-27 15:58 <Plugh> Interobject when the objects are not in the same region?
2016-08-27 15:59 <H-H-H> yes
2016-08-27 15:59 <H-H-H> it basically uses xmlrpc to save the messages in a db and then llemail via xmlrpc to retrieve
2016-08-27 16:00 <Plugh> ok. That would be interesting.
2016-08-27 16:00 <Plugh> First thing I notice about the Barsonix email module is it still references DotNet.
2016-08-27 16:00 <H-H-H> i can get you all the required stuff in a zip with updated code
2016-08-27 16:01 <Ubit> damm taskmanager leflt  chars in the middle of the screen that don't clear
2016-08-27 16:01 <H-H-H> it is both in one lol so yes it can use an email server or php
2016-08-27 16:02 <Ubit> ok change user to same cleaned it :)
2016-08-27 16:03 <H-H-H> https://github.com/Barosonix/Barosonix-Web-Interface/tree/master/services/email  <--- php part
2016-08-27 16:04 <Plugh> btw, what is Barsonix?
2016-08-27 16:09 <H-H-H> boot and run opensim on linux lol as the readme suggests it is basicallyy opensim with tweaks lol
2016-08-27 16:09 <Plugh> ok
2016-08-27 16:11 <Plugh> hm... they have a dwell module
2016-08-27 16:13 <djphil> Tank you Plugh
2016-08-27 16:13 <djphil> I also use this method now to send emails and circumvent the problem of email opensim module with windows
2016-08-27 16:13 <H-H-H> yes i do
2016-08-27 16:14 <djphil> my code don't use db but send message immediatly
2016-08-27 16:14 <djphil> interessing to look inside Barsonic code
2016-08-27 16:14 <djphil> tank's for sharing
2016-08-27 16:14 <H-H-H> sorry Plugh its been a while since i worked on it lol 
2016-08-27 16:15 <H-H-H> n/p if any of it is usefull m help yourselfs
2016-08-27 16:15 <Plugh> np. Thanks for mentioning it.
2016-08-27 16:16 <Plugh> There was some other module I was going to write but I've forgotten what it was supposed to do. I just remember talking it over with Melanie. I'll have to check my notes. I saved our discussion as she had good ideas on how to do what I wanted to do.
2016-08-27 16:16 <H-H-H> be warned though that php prob wont run on anything over php 5.5 and it is a heavilly modified version of the original webui
2016-08-27 16:17 <Plugh> hm... a tide module??
2016-08-27 16:17 <H-H-H> there is also a basic but functioning web store module so you caan have your own in built xlstreet clone lol
2016-08-27 16:17 <djphil> i see your webui is somthink do with wiredux
2016-08-27 16:17 <H-H-H> yeah makes the water raise and lower like a tide round your region
2016-08-27 16:17 <djphil> with more or new options
2016-08-27 16:18 <H-H-H> yes djphil as i said it is a heavilly modified version of the original webui
2016-08-27 16:18 <Plugh> djphil: many OS related webui's I've seen appear to share ancestry with wiredux.
2016-08-27 16:18 <djphil> yes
2016-08-27 16:18 <djphil> i do one too lol
2016-08-27 16:18 <H-H-H> i am sad lol i actually like the look and feel of the original webui
2016-08-27 16:18 <Plugh> H-H-H: Do you know what is different with the Barsonix search and profile modules?
2016-08-27 16:19 <djphil> no
2016-08-27 16:19 <Plugh> I stopped using wiredux a long time ago.
2016-08-27 16:19 <Plugh> It was incomplete, messy code, IIRC.
2016-08-27 16:20 <H-H-H> they should be as near as damn it the same as the osgrid ones iirc thats what i used just re named
2016-08-27 16:20 <Plugh> I just grabbed a couple of the PHP files that came with it.
2016-08-27 16:20 <Plugh> ok.
2016-08-27 16:21 <Plugh> I need to update the PHP side of the search and profile modules I maintain to make them use mysqli.
2016-08-27 16:21 <djphil> yeah, we all have this thing to do with him lol
2016-08-27 16:21 <H-H-H> i dont think the barosonix modules or web interface was updated for mysqli although i do have some somewhere that is
2016-08-27 16:21 <Plugh> Too many projects to work on. I have to make a list as I can't remember all of them let alone decide what to work on.
2016-08-27 16:22 <djphil> i add a admin interface to manage the menu too in mine
2016-08-27 16:22 <djphil> with multi level and bootstrap integration
2016-08-27 16:23 <djphil> and get profil v1 working
2016-08-27 16:23 <djphil> Perhaps we can share
2016-08-27 16:24 <Plugh> oh, I remember now. I just saw the directory where I keep OS related projects. I was wanting to be able to send reminders for events.
2016-08-27 16:26 <Plugh> I have the framework for the module. Just need to add the rest of the code.
2016-08-27 16:32 <H-H-H> i dont think the barosonix modules or web interface was updated for mysqli although i do have some somewhere that is 
2016-08-27 16:32 <H-H-H> sorry if slow lol grandaughter has landed haha
2016-08-27 16:33 <Plugh> np
2016-08-27 16:33 <Plugh> Time to go afk as it is time for lunch.
2016-08-27 16:33 <Plugh> bbl
2016-08-27 16:33 <H-H-H> kk
2016-08-27 16:40 <djphil> the Barsonic create new user with clean inventory and clean body parts ?
2016-08-27 16:40 <djphil> no clound avatar after registration ?
2016-08-27 16:40 <djphil> and partial or missing inventory ...
2016-08-27 16:41 <djphil> That the part of code where i'm lose
2016-08-27 16:42 <djphil> here is mine version of wiredux
2016-08-27 16:42 <djphil> http://digigrids.no-ip.org/owi
2016-08-27 16:42 <djphil> no yet msqli :s
2016-08-27 16:42 <djphil> but a lot of other improvments
2016-08-27 16:43 <djphil> msqli or pdo is on the todo list
2016-08-27 16:46 <H-H-H> djphil pm?
2016-08-27 16:46 <djphil> sure
2016-08-27 17:01 <Ubit> oops
2016-08-27 17:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #4946 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-27 17:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4946: SUCCESS in 5 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4946/
2016-08-27 17:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  stack overflow is (not)funny :)
2016-08-27 18:07 <Ubit> vegaslon we don't have mouse stearing
2016-08-27 18:07 <Ubit> vegaslon we don't have vehicles mouse stearing
2016-08-27 18:08 <vegaslon> ya that is what I am working on
2016-08-27 18:08 <Ubit> i test it only once at sl, by turning it on on a simple car script
2016-08-27 18:08 <Ubit> and worked
2016-08-27 18:09 <Ubit> but thats mainly the only thing i still left out on ubOde
2016-08-27 18:09 <vegaslon> ya the documentation for it is pretty much null
2016-08-27 18:10 <Ubit> well some vehcle parameters became scaling factors for avater movement controls
2016-08-27 18:11 <Ubit> back that i stoped
2016-08-27 18:11 <Ubit> bc physics was a plugin with no access to scene and scene presence
2016-08-27 18:11 <Ubit> making it very twisted to implement
2016-08-27 18:11 <vegaslon> I got something working from taking a chunk of code from Halcyon but not sure how tuned it is
2016-08-27 18:12 <Ubit> they have it identical to sl ?
2016-08-27 18:12 <vegaslon> pretty close, infact they even expanded on it with more flags
2016-08-27 18:12 <vegaslon> like stearing a vehicle with your mouse curser
2016-08-27 18:13 <Ubit> ok
2016-08-27 18:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #4947 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-27 18:28 <Ubit> came on jenkins i need to restart my win
2016-08-27 18:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4947: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4947/
2016-08-27 18:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  experimental function. Results still too volatile to be usefull
2016-08-27 18:31 <Ubit> well this is a osVolumetDetect on parts
2016-08-27 18:32 <Ubit> so one can be linked without making the all linkset a detector
2016-08-27 18:32 <Ubit> works...  but its lost on almost anything
2016-08-27 18:33 <Ubit> i always lost my swiming pool water at sl :)
2016-08-27 18:33 <Ubit> bc the damm thing had to be unlink
2016-08-27 18:33 <Ubit> well my win is up for weeks needs a restart
2016-08-27 18:49 <H-H-H> wb
2016-08-27 19:07 <Ubit> ty
2016-08-27 19:08 <djphil> what do exactly the dwell module ?
2016-08-27 19:08 <Ubit> you ask hard questions for me ;)
2016-08-27 19:10 <djphil> ok, i remove "exactly"
2016-08-27 19:14 <djphil> it is something used for rental/sale of land ?
2016-08-27 19:15 <djphil> or for users authorizations
2016-08-27 19:28 <Ubit> never looked
2016-08-27 19:42 <djphil> "Parcel Traffic" trafic is something of viewer side ?
2016-08-27 19:42 <djphil> never see that
2016-08-27 19:46 <djphil> it is apparently not used with web interface. I do not see where it is used ... probably somewhere in the viewer
2016-08-27 19:47 <Ubit> vegaslon https://community.secondlife.com/t5/Scripting/Mouselook-Vehicle/td-p/394378
2016-08-27 19:59 <vegaslon> yes that is what I found
2016-08-27 19:59 <Ubit> my hovebyke doesn't turn buaaa
2016-08-27 20:00 <Ubit> hmm if(agent) is always true
2016-08-27 20:00 <Ubit> damm
2016-08-27 20:01 <vegaslon> ya mine right now will turn but if you to tilt it up it only works correct when facing south, north is opposite and west and east do not tilt up
2016-08-27 20:01 <Ubit> turns where? sl ?
2016-08-27 20:01 <vegaslon> in opensim
2016-08-27 20:01 <Ubit> how does it turn on opensim?
2016-08-27 20:01 <vegaslon> some how I got world rotations mixed with local rotations
2016-08-27 20:02 <Ubit> but how does it turn?
2016-08-27 20:02 <vegaslon> mouse look turning
2016-08-27 20:02 <Ubit> yr making scripted mouse stear?
2016-08-27 20:02 <vegaslon> bring your hover bike to sea of triangles and you will see
2016-08-27 20:03 <Ubit> i do now want to see :p
2016-08-27 20:03 <Ubit> i want to understand what yr doing :)
2016-08-27 20:04 <Ubit> damm of course NUUL_KEY is not found.. grrr
2016-08-27 20:05 <vegaslon> lol
2016-08-27 20:06 <Ubit> hmm how does ll control that with permissions?
2016-08-27 20:07 <Ubit> sure one needs to takecontrols
2016-08-27 20:08 <vegaslon> it does
2016-08-27 20:08 <vegaslon> in the change event
2016-08-27 20:09 <Ubit> dont see anything i the change event
2016-08-27 20:10 <Ubit> well except linear motor
2016-08-27 20:11 <vegaslon> line 99?
2016-08-27 20:11 <Ubit> thats a normal request
2016-08-27 20:11 <Ubit> the 123 takes all keys
2016-08-27 20:12 <vegaslon> yep
2016-08-27 20:12 <Ubit> some are sure need to be allowed for mouse steer to work
2016-08-27 20:12 <vegaslon> guess you are wondering why it does not take control of camera?
2016-08-27 20:13 <Ubit> it doesn't take contol of camera
2016-08-27 20:13 <Ubit> it is slave to camera
2016-08-27 20:13 <vegaslon> nope all it needs to make mouse look stearing work is what it does on line 48
2016-08-27 20:14 <Ubit> not enough
2016-08-27 20:14 <Ubit> we need to know the avatar that can steer
2016-08-27 20:14 <Ubit> see ?
2016-08-27 20:15 <vegaslon> ah that is explicit control taken
2016-08-27 20:15 <Ubit> guess its a combination of the control keys
2016-08-27 20:15 <Ubit> or a set of them
2016-08-27 20:15 <vegaslon> that is controlled with the flag if you want that control or not.
2016-08-27 20:16 <Ubit> not enought
2016-08-27 20:16 <Ubit> thing must be on takecontrols
2016-08-27 20:16 <vegaslon> how linden labs did it.
2016-08-27 20:17 <Ubit> or just permition controls accepted
2016-08-27 20:17 <Ubit> but needs to be done there 
2016-08-27 20:17 <vegaslon> ya I just have in in code like what halcyon did is ask for camera who every the request for control was to
2016-08-27 20:17 <Ubit> or 2 ppl sitting BUMM
2016-08-27 20:18 <Ubit> well thats why i didn't look much to halcyon
2016-08-27 20:18 <Ubit> i did look however :)
2016-08-27 20:19 <Ubit> my main issue is not the physics steer
2016-08-27 20:19 <Ubit> thats +- easy
2016-08-27 20:19 <Ubit> its controlling it
2016-08-27 20:19 <Ubit> like this permitions issue
2016-08-27 20:20 <Ubit> how and when to link vehicle with camera updates
2016-08-27 20:20 <Ubit> see?
2016-08-27 20:20 <Ubit> having the vehicle just look to camera like halc is not good enought
2016-08-27 20:20 <vegaslon> I guess I can upload the first patch that shows what I did to hook up the camera to the physics
2016-08-27 20:21 <vegaslon> hmm
2016-08-27 20:21 <Ubit> you did it in bullet or ub?
2016-08-27 20:21 <vegaslon> bullet
2016-08-27 20:21 <Ubit> bahh
2016-08-27 20:21 <Ubit> i leave bullet to mb :)
2016-08-27 20:21 <vegaslon> ya I have experience with bullet
2016-08-27 20:22 <Ubit> i can do the core wiring
2016-08-27 20:22 <Ubit> but first i need to understand this permissions thing
2016-08-27 20:23 <Ubit> just getting the cam is not good enought
2016-08-27 20:23 <Ubit> thats the "easy" part ;)
2016-08-27 20:23 <Ubit> see my prob?
2016-08-27 20:24 <Ubit> well let me look for a sl sand
2016-08-27 20:25 <Ubit> you did the bullet movement also?
2016-08-27 20:25 <vegaslon> ya
2016-08-27 20:25 <Ubit> identical to halc ?
2016-08-27 20:26 <vegaslon> sort of, there is some diffrences
2016-08-27 20:26 <Ubit> what do u need from core code?
2016-08-27 20:26 <Ubit> a even like them ?
2016-08-27 20:26 <Ubit> event ?
2016-08-27 20:27 <Ubit> to get the camera data
2016-08-27 20:27 <vegaslon> ya that has a event and a struct to hold the camera data
2016-08-27 20:27 <Ubit> yeap seen it
2016-08-27 20:28 <Ubit> guess that valid field is a answer
2016-08-27 20:29 <osmantis> Bug #8012:04 Implement Mouse Look Steering in vehicles 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8012 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-27 20:29 <osmantis> Bug #8012:04 Implement Mouse Look Steering in vehicles 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8012 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-08-27 20:30 <Ubit> ok
2016-08-27 20:30 <djphil> H-H-H : i try to get the barosonix Email module work but i can't (of course)
2016-08-27 20:30 <djphil> it seam compile proprely, and load too
2016-08-27 20:31 <Ubit> whats your problem with just p ? :p
2016-08-27 20:31 <vegaslon> lol
2016-08-27 20:31 <djphil> but script debut return warning ... "email module not configured"
2016-08-27 20:31 <djphil> debug*
2016-08-27 20:32 <djphil> email xmlrpc is installed on my web server
2016-08-27 20:32 <djphil> and some line added to opensim.ini
2016-08-27 20:32 <djphil> but return "not configurend"
2016-08-27 20:32 <djphil> strange
2016-08-27 20:33 <Ubit> yeap you attach on controls permition
2016-08-27 20:37 <djphil> in the barosinic readme i see all SMTP login / pass , smtp server   informations commented
2016-08-27 20:37 <Ubit> yeack the thing oscilates side to side at sl
2016-08-27 20:37 <djphil> excepted enable = false
2016-08-27 20:37 <djphil> how it send mail then ?
2016-08-27 20:38 <Ubit> and only works on mouse look
2016-08-27 20:38 <vegaslon> yep
2016-08-27 20:38 <Ubit> but what a impossible bounce
2016-08-27 20:39 <Ubit> guess no one really uses this at sl
2016-08-27 20:40 <vegaslon> attack helicopters use it and that is about it
2016-08-27 20:40 <vegaslon> atleast all I have seen it used in
2016-08-27 20:40 <Ubit> and bounce side to side like this bike ?
2016-08-27 20:41 <vegaslon> bounces less as you add more mass to it
2016-08-27 20:41 <vegaslon> sl is weird that way
2016-08-27 20:41 <Ubit> think they did downgrade physics a lot
2016-08-27 20:42 <djphil> H-H-H : in xrmlrpc.php , "send mail" store mail in database but i see any php function to send mail to my external mail box
2016-08-27 20:42 <djphil> Barasonix mail module seam a internal mail system only
2016-08-27 20:43 <djphil> not able to send external email
2016-08-27 20:43 <djphil> but it's something :)
2016-08-27 21:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #4948 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-27 21:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4948: SUCCESS in 5 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4948/
2016-08-27 21:16 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Import plumbing from Halcyon for camera data to physics engine.
2016-08-27 21:16 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove excess data
2016-08-27 21:18 <osmantis> Bug #8007:04 Defaults in osslenable.ini are not in line with threat levels for functions-- recommended tweaks 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8007 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-27 21:29 <H-H-H> djphil the sending to external mail server is done by the c# part not php
2016-08-27 21:30 <osmantis> Bug #8007:04 Defaults in osslenable.ini are not in line with threat levels for functions-- recommended tweaks 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8007 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-27 21:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #4949 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-27 21:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4949: SUCCESS in 5 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4949/
2016-08-27 21:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reduce math on use of camerarotation (need to add a lock there).  Fix a bug on sits AToffset  for some reason ATaxis got in there (needs testing)
2016-08-27 22:02 <djphil> ok H-H-H and again (of course) that what i need lol
2016-08-27 22:02 <djphil> at now i'm testing the store
2016-08-27 22:03 <djphil> for now all seam working
2016-08-27 22:03 <djphil> compile and config ok
2016-08-27 22:03 <djphil> it requiere currency module i suspect ...
2016-08-27 22:03 <djphil> no installed yet
2016-08-27 22:04 <djphil> but i get simulator start proprely with the store
2016-08-27 22:04 <djphil> i'm currious to know how and why using dwell
2016-08-27 22:05 <djphil> probably it send some statistics but where lol
2016-08-27 22:15 <H-H-H> yes requires currecy and webui and majic box lsl script
2016-08-27 22:16 <H-H-H> dwell modules makes parcel trafic work in about land and also in search
2016-08-27 22:16 <djphil> ha ok, good to know :)
2016-08-27 22:16 <djphil> will try that!
2016-08-27 22:17 <djphil> she is compatible with the opensim Dwell module
2016-08-27 22:17 <djphil> or requiere barasonix dwell ?
2016-08-27 22:18 <H-H-H> barosonix dwell module overides the internal one same as all the other modules :)
2016-08-27 22:19 <H-H-H> right im afk for a few
2016-08-27 22:19 <djphil> ok so is requiered
2016-08-27 22:19 <djphil> oki, ty
2016-08-27 22:29 <djphil> hmmm, table "wi_store_mbox" don't exist
2016-08-27 22:30 <djphil> and no found any .sql to update database
2016-08-27 22:31 <djphil> found also the table "store_transactions" isn't create when i start simulator
2016-08-27 22:51 <djphil> about the barasinix currency, i get only the Opensim.Modules.Currency.MySql.Data.dll
2016-08-27 22:51 <djphil> no Opensim.Modules.Currency.Server and no Opensim.Modules.Currency.Module
2016-08-27 22:52 <djphil> done for today
2016-08-27 22:52 <djphil> ho i forget the dwell
2016-08-27 22:52 <djphil> maybee more chace with him
2016-08-27 22:53 <djphil> chance*
2016-08-27 23:09 <djphil> heh, no more change with Dwell
2016-08-27 23:09 <djphil> compilation error found
2016-08-27 23:09 <djphil> http://pastebin.com/kpR9789r
2016-08-27 23:09 <djphil> and dll not create ...
2016-08-27 23:27 -!- IgorVorotiloff(~GuyCharle@unaffiliated/igorvorotiloff) has left #opensim-dev
2016-08-27 23:35 <Ubit> OpenSim.Framework.Communications was removed
2016-08-27 23:35 <Ubit> but OpenSim.Region.Physics.Manager was now :)
2016-08-27 23:36 <Ubit> err was not
2016-08-27 23:49 <djphil> with the opensim built in Dwell module i see traffic in About land (on zero at now)
2016-08-27 23:50 <Ubit> ohh im so dizzy testing my mouselook steer
2016-08-27 23:50 <djphil> i see nothing in search
2016-08-27 23:51 <djphil> mousselook give dizzy, yeah (lol)
2016-08-27 23:54 <H-H-H> djphil my own modules have nothing to do with opensim core so we should take this discusion to pm or general chat
2016-08-27 23:55 <Ubit> well we can try to help them work, if thats the case
2016-08-27 23:55 <djphil> sure we can
2016-08-27 23:55 <djphil> i have just tested
2016-08-27 23:55 <Ubit> buts thats to its devs to decide :)
2016-08-27 23:55 <djphil> and quick repport
2016-08-27 23:55 <H-H-H> Ubit i havent updated them to work with core opensim yet and besides most of them require the php counterpart wich is nothing to do with opensim lol
2016-08-27 23:55 <Ubit> if we don't like the talk. we kick them
2016-08-27 23:56 <Ubit> ohh dammm i can't kick here
2016-08-27 23:56 <Ubit> ;)
2016-08-27 23:56 <djphil> :|
2016-08-27 23:56 <H-H-H> also my coding is poor lol but gets the job done haha i wouldnt like to gaurentee it would pass a standards or security audit lol
2016-08-27 23:57 <Ubit> you think mine will ? 
2016-08-27 23:57 <Ubit> 
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2016-08-27 23:57 <H-H-H> lol
2016-08-27 23:57 <Ubit> hmm my vertical atractor seems 2 strong for mouse
2016-08-27 23:58 <Ubit> hmm does vertical atractor worse in mouse steer?
2016-08-27 23:59 <Ubit> worse??  ufff work ?
2016-08-27 23:59 <H-H-H> ok i think my first mission is to re write my webui to work with current php versions or i could just downgrade my php lol
2016-08-27 23:59 <Ubit> ( im getting worse typing lol )
2016-08-28 00:00 <H-H-H> probly need sleep lol
2016-08-28 02:45 <djphil> what's appen with http://forge.opensimulator.org/ ?
2016-08-28 02:46 <djphil> broken ? done ? end of life ?
2016-08-28 02:51 <nebadon> it was running on one of the avination servers that are being migrated to new data center
2016-08-28 02:51 <nebadon> it will eventually be back
2016-08-28 02:51 <nebadon> but will be a bit before that happens
2016-08-28 02:53 <djphil> ok, ty
2016-08-28 02:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #4950 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-28 02:59 <Ubit> it whould be nice if i could understand  sl mousebank
2016-08-28 03:00 <Ubit> and not be harrased on its sandbox while testing :)
2016-08-28 03:00 <Ubit> well its called weapons test
2016-08-28 03:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4950: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4950/
2016-08-28 03:00 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: my broken version of vehicle mouse steer on ubOde (no bank,needs better damp)
2016-08-28 03:00 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: missing file
2016-08-28 03:01 <Ubit> ahh other cars still move.. hadd forgotten to test them :)
2016-08-28 03:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #4951 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-28 03:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4951: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4951/
2016-08-28 03:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let mouse steer work on crossings; some cleanup
2016-08-28 05:08 <osmantis> Bug #8008:04 collision_start Only works on the root prim not children 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8008 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-08-28 07:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #4952 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-28 07:52 <osmantis> Bug #8008:04 collision_start Only works on the root prim not children 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8008 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-28 07:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4952: SUCCESS in 7 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4952/
2016-08-28 07:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis: 8008 unscripted child prim collisions didn't trigger scripted root prim collision events; collision sounds had incorrect aggregateevents call and default sounds where muted. Future optimization needed and Testing
2016-08-28 08:09 <osmantis> Bug #7931:04 osTeleportAgent ignores any supplied rotation value 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7931 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-28 10:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #4953 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-28 10:34 <osmantis> Bug #8006:04 Attach Event triggers twice for the first script in a prim with multple scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8006 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-28 10:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4953: FAILURE in 5 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4953/
2016-08-28 10:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis: 8006 remove duplication of attach script events. This is a temporary fix because TriggerOnAttach will not be trigger on attachment from inventory, (for now only Xengine connects to it on core).
2016-08-28 11:42 <Ubit> tests tests...
2016-08-28 13:08 <osmantis> Bug #7931:04 osTeleportAgent ignores any supplied rotation value 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7931 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-28 13:27 <osmantis> Bug #7931:04 osTeleportAgent ignores any supplied rotation value 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7931 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-28 13:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #4954 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4952 6 hr 10 min ago)
2016-08-28 13:59 <Ubit> yes will fail i know
2016-08-28 14:00 <osmantis> Bug #7931:04 osTeleportAgent ignores any supplied rotation value 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7931 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-28 14:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4954: STILL FAILING in 5 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4954/
2016-08-28 14:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis: rotate avatar to lookAt o login/teleports. Some cases may still be wrong
2016-08-28 14:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #4955 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4952 6 hr 22 min ago)
2016-08-28 14:16 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-08-28 14:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4955: FIXED in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4955/
2016-08-28 14:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: disable AttacmentsModule tests because they depend on OnAttach event currently not avaiable
2016-08-28 17:17 <osmantis> Bug #8007:04 Defaults in osslenable.ini are not in line with threat levels for functions-- recommended tweaks 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8007 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-08-29 01:52 <JohnnyQ> Good evening, I've got a robust running about 17-20 regions and I keep getting "[loghttp] Slow handling" messages in the robust console. What might be the issue? 
2016-08-29 02:02 <Plugh> Do you have plenty of ram to run all those regions? How is the CPU load on the machine?
2016-08-29 02:07 <nebadon> could possibly need to optimize mysql a bit
2016-08-29 02:08 <nebadon> https://gist.github.com/nebadon2025/86dff7c9c8ec55d6bf67aa0c374ca10a
2016-08-29 02:08 <nebadon> also JohnnyQ Windows or Linux?
2016-08-29 07:04 <osmantis> Bug #8006:04 Attach Event triggers twice for the first script in a prim with multple scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8006 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-29 07:13 <osmantis> Bug #8006:04 Attach Event triggers twice for the first script in a prim with multple scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8006 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-29 07:25 <osmantis> Bug #8006:04 Attach Event triggers twice for the first script in a prim with multple scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8006 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-29 08:08 <osmantis> Bug #8006:04 Attach Event triggers twice for the first script in a prim with multple scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8006 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-29 09:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4956: FAILURE in 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4956/
2016-08-29 09:04 <Ubit> git fail again on jenkis 
2016-08-29 09:07 <djphil> Morning Ubit
2016-08-29 09:07 <djphil> what is : 11:06:51 - [MESH]: invalid degenerated mesh for primObject/9b96cbad-1508-4278-8
2016-08-29 09:07 <djphil> d31-4b1d5b883319 ignored
2016-08-29 09:08 <Ubit> a mesh with al triangles colapsed to only 2 diferent vertices or 1
2016-08-29 09:09 <Ubit> or only having 1 or 2 diferent vertices, understand ?
2016-08-29 09:09 <djphil> not really
2016-08-29 09:10 <djphil> I do not understand how I could get it
2016-08-29 09:10 <Ubit> bad mesh
2016-08-29 09:10 <djphil> I do not build mesh Like this,
2016-08-29 09:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #4957 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4955 18 hr ago)
2016-08-29 09:10 <Ubit> can happen on load process etc
2016-08-29 09:11 <djphil> yes it is
2016-08-29 09:11 <djphil> when i start the simulator
2016-08-29 09:11 <Ubit> vertices 2 close on scaling etc may became identical
2016-08-29 09:11 <Ubit> or even on scaling for prim size on load see ?
2016-08-29 09:11 <Ubit> thats ubode or bullet '?
2016-08-29 09:11 <djphil> ubode
2016-08-29 09:12 <Ubit> ok  same on both just diferent math etc
2016-08-29 09:12 <Ubit> you have the uuid of the pbject
2016-08-29 09:13 <Ubit> you can try to find it and see
2016-08-29 09:13 <djphil> the blender modifier "edge split" can be the cause of this problem ?
2016-08-29 09:13 <Ubit> no ideia :(
2016-08-29 09:13 <djphil> hmmm
2016-08-29 09:13 <Ubit> working on blender also remember
2016-08-29 09:14 <djphil> i no understand how i can have 2 vertices at the same place
2016-08-29 09:14 <djphil> i cleaning all mesh i do
2016-08-29 09:14 <Ubit> mesh points resolution is only 16bits
2016-08-29 09:14 <Ubit> not a full float as blender
2016-08-29 09:14 <Ubit> i mean vertices coordenates resolution
2016-08-29 09:14 <djphil> if i found 2 vertices at te same place, i collpase it or i remove it
2016-08-29 09:15 <Ubit> remove doubles i think ?
2016-08-29 09:15 <Ubit> but even so
2016-08-29 09:15 <Ubit> on a large object  2 vertices nearby can colapse to just one
2016-08-29 09:15 <djphil> nu understand "02coordenates resolution01"
2016-08-29 09:15 <Ubit> because of the 16bits
2016-08-29 09:16 <djphil> and don't know how to fix that
2016-08-29 09:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4957: STILL FAILING in 5 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4957/
2016-08-29 09:16 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis: 8006 restrict the suspention of Trigger OnAttach to the problematic case where scripts are created, and not always as i incorrectly did before. This is still a temporary fix, other modules will not get the notification in that case. But that needs a deeper fix possible in xengine
2016-08-29 09:16 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  allow AttachmentModule tests, some may now work
2016-08-29 09:17 <Ubit> well one one test got happy .. 
2016-08-29 09:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #4958 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4955 19 hr ago)
2016-08-29 09:19 <Ubit> there is a console comand to find a object by uuid
2016-08-29 09:19 <Ubit> that will help us understand the case
2016-08-29 09:20 <djphil> if 2 tops collapse I guess it is because they are too close to each other
2016-08-29 09:20 <djphil> ok i will try to find this object
2016-08-29 09:20 <Ubit> im pvt ill try to tell you about the 16bits thing
2016-08-29 09:23 <djphil> object found at 0,0,0 ... hmm stange position lol
2016-08-29 09:23 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-29 09:23 <Ubit> attachment possible ?
2016-08-29 09:23 <djphil> not really
2016-08-29 09:23 <djphil> but maybee yes ...
2016-08-29 09:24 <djphil> i'm go o inworld to see
2016-08-29 09:24 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-08-29 09:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4958: FIXED in 4 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4958/
2016-08-29 09:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  disable AttachmentModule tests again :(
2016-08-29 09:25 <djphil> I have sometimes found some objects like this on a region
2016-08-29 09:25 <djphil> the objects is invisible but it is Sir pixel region
2016-08-29 09:25 <djphil> I discovered when I do a wide selection field
2016-08-29 09:25 <djphil> then I select by chance that way
2016-08-29 09:54 <Ubit> yeap  wide selection is the only option sometimes to pick odd objects
2016-08-29 09:57 <osmantis> Bug #8006:04 Attach Event triggers twice for the first script in a prim with multple scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8006 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-29 10:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #4959 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-08-29 11:00 <osmantis> Bug #8006:04 Attach Event triggers twice for the first script in a prim with multple scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8006 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-29 11:03 <Ubit> hmm 
2016-08-29 11:04 <Ubit> damm i broke other script engines with this
2016-08-29 11:04 <Ubit> grrr
2016-08-29 11:04 <Ubit> ok fixing it another way
2016-08-29 11:07 <djphil> about "unknown mesh type"
2016-08-29 11:07 <djphil> i found all objects now
2016-08-29 11:07 <Ubit> all show that ??
2016-08-29 11:07 <djphil> no, only 6 meshs
2016-08-29 11:08 <djphil> old message
2016-08-29 11:08 <Ubit> hmm think is mesh without mesh data
2016-08-29 11:08 <djphil> it seam, yes
2016-08-29 11:08 <djphil> is old mesh
2016-08-29 11:08 <djphil> importend in bulletsim at first time
2016-08-29 11:09 <djphil> and reuploaded on ubODE with oar import/export
2016-08-29 11:09 <djphil> i'm 100% sur i do mesh import with physic LOD "from file"
2016-08-29 11:09 <djphil> and set object on "Prim"
2016-08-29 11:10 <djphil> (for physic shape type)
2016-08-29 11:10 <djphil> and now i see all these 6 object are set to "None"
2016-08-29 11:10 <djphil> and no able to set to "Prim"
2016-08-29 11:11 <djphil> only "Convex Hull" is available
2016-08-29 11:11 <Ubit> if convex is there it should work
2016-08-29 11:12 <djphil> Now you have more info :)
2016-08-29 11:12 <djphil> these 6 objects are panels
2016-08-29 11:12 <djphil> simple panel with rounded corners
2016-08-29 11:12 <Ubit> yeap  if only convex, you can't set to prim
2016-08-29 11:12 <Ubit> thats ok
2016-08-29 11:15 <djphil> another strange thing
2016-08-29 11:16 <djphil> i have more than 6 panels
2016-08-29 11:16 <djphil> all are copy
2016-08-29 11:16 <djphil> and console send this alert message only for 6 panels
2016-08-29 11:16 <djphil> not for others ...
2016-08-29 11:20 <Ubit> OUTCH
2016-08-29 11:20 <Ubit> error: file write error (No space left on device)
2016-08-29 11:20 <Ubit> i can't push :)
2016-08-29 11:21 <Ubit> neb  helppp
2016-08-29 11:23 <djphil> here is a screenshot of panel
2016-08-29 11:23 <djphil> http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/11940520160829132213.jpg
2016-08-29 11:23 <djphil> he have convex and concave
2016-08-29 11:23 <djphil> not only convex
2016-08-29 11:23 <Ubit> so whats wrong with it ?
2016-08-29 11:24 <djphil> [MESH]: unknown mesh type
2016-08-29 11:24 <Ubit> it uses mesh ?
2016-08-29 11:24 <djphil> yes, this is a mesh i made
2016-08-29 11:25 <djphil> from a long time ...
2016-08-29 11:25 <Ubit> have the source still ?
2016-08-29 11:25 <djphil> probably, yes
2016-08-29 11:25 <djphil> somewhere, a .blend ^^
2016-08-29 11:28 <Ubit> the all thing is a single mesh =
2016-08-29 11:28 <Ubit> and can't be phantom ?
2016-08-29 11:30 <djphil> sorry, i can't found the .blend at now
2016-08-29 11:31 <djphil> but i can send you the panel inworld if that can help ...
2016-08-29 11:31 <djphil> and yes, i can turn it on "Phantom"
2016-08-29 11:46 <Ubit> all black?
2016-08-29 11:46 <Ubit> opps backside :)
2016-08-29 11:46 <djphil> cool :)
2016-08-29 11:47 <Ubit> ohh it needs touch ?
2016-08-29 11:47 <djphil> what ??
2016-08-29 11:47 <Ubit>  touch_start(integer number)
2016-08-29 11:48 <djphil> for panel you mean ?
2016-08-29 11:49 <Ubit> ohh touch works  on phanton also
2016-08-29 11:50 <djphil> that fine!
2016-08-29 11:50 <Ubit> so easy fix.. mk it phantom :)
2016-08-29 11:50 <djphil> why not! ?
2016-08-29 11:51 <djphil> you whant to remove clic from phantoms ?
2016-08-29 11:51 <Ubit> noo
2016-08-29 11:51 <djphil> ouf!
2016-08-29 11:51 <Ubit> odd why don't i see the textures on it ?
2016-08-29 11:52 <djphil> don't know
2016-08-29 11:52 <djphil> all slide textures are in inventory prim
2016-08-29 11:52 <Ubit> yeap and i have them on cache already
2016-08-29 11:52 <djphil> only the global texture is missing maybee
2016-08-29 11:52 <djphil> this region is a oar import ...
2016-08-29 11:53 <djphil> but i don't lnow why ...
2016-08-29 11:53 <Ubit> dont u think 1sec is a bit 2 fast?
2016-08-29 11:54 <djphil> hehe, show in the timer
2016-08-29 11:54 <djphil> ... llSetTimerEvent(tempo);
2016-08-29 11:54 <djphil> 1.0 is to start quickly only
2016-08-29 11:55 <djphil> llSetTimerEvent(tempo); in the timer do the real tempo i whant
2016-08-29 11:55 <Ubit> ahh ok
2016-08-29 11:55 <djphil> i do ofetn that
2016-08-29 11:55 <djphil> often*
2016-08-29 11:56 <Ubit> well its grey
2016-08-29 11:56 <djphil> hmmm :s
2016-08-29 11:57 <djphil> textures in mesh inventory too ?
2016-08-29 11:57 <djphil> maybee a OAR import issue ...
2016-08-29 11:58 <Ubit> i see them from the prim inv
2016-08-29 11:58 <Ubit> take a bit to show  but see
2016-08-29 11:58 <djphil> but in any case you can use/remplace all textures with your ...
2016-08-29 11:58 <djphil> here i have allready empty viewer cash
2016-08-29 11:59 <djphil> and i see all textures, no missing or grey
2016-08-29 12:00 <Ubit> 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000
2016-08-29 12:00 <Ubit> what hell
2016-08-29 12:01 <Ubit>  llGetInventoryKey(llGetInventoryName(INVENTORY_TEXTURE, image));
2016-08-29 12:01 <Ubit> is giving zero
2016-08-29 12:01 <djphil> strange :o
2016-08-29 12:01 <Ubit> what the region version where you are?
2016-08-29 12:02 <djphil> lets my try here
2016-08-29 12:03 <djphil> Here it work
2016-08-29 12:03 <djphil> [05:02] Fading Slide Show v0.3: 9bb2e810-8a83-45a9-9168-ae009dcbf121
2016-08-29 12:03 <djphil> [05:02] Fading Slide Show v0.3: 7d5252e5-72cc-4179-8cdc-59061a5cd5f4
2016-08-29 12:03 <djphil> for texture A et B
2016-08-29 12:03 <Ubit> what is the region version?
2016-08-29 12:03 <djphil> last
2016-08-29 12:03 <djphil> update this morning
2016-08-29 12:04 <Ubit> hmm think i didn't change code on this
2016-08-29 12:05 <djphil> i don't know why it return a NULL key for you ...
2016-08-29 12:09 <Ubit> bahh
2016-08-29 12:09 <Ubit> no copy :p
2016-08-29 12:10 <djphil> you are god :)
2016-08-29 12:10 <Ubit> no copy  returns null id :)
2016-08-29 12:10 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-29 12:10 <Ubit> working now
2016-08-29 12:10 <djphil> no copy texture or no copy script ?
2016-08-29 12:11 <Ubit> textures
2016-08-29 12:11 <Ubit> script was open
2016-08-29 12:11 <djphil> ok, ggod to know
2016-08-29 12:11 <djphil> but it's a bug
2016-08-29 12:11 <Ubit> what is a bug?
2016-08-29 12:11 <djphil> a no copy texture return null_key
2016-08-29 12:12 <Ubit> its there on the getkey code
2016-08-29 12:12 <djphil> or it is a security against the printscreen?
2016-08-29 12:12 <Ubit> someone had a reason to do it not messing
2016-08-29 12:13 <Ubit> well i can't push.. i killed git :)
2016-08-29 12:13 <djphil> why a no copy texture return null key ?
2016-08-29 12:13 <Ubit> don't know.. its there :)
2016-08-29 12:13 <djphil> lol
2016-08-29 12:13 <djphil> but this is a bug or not ?
2016-08-29 12:13 <Ubit> made me go look also :)
2016-08-29 12:14 <Ubit> don't knoe someone had a reason to add that check i guess
2016-08-29 12:15 <djphil> has no copy texture should not return a null key
2016-08-29 12:16 <Ubit> has to have copy transfer and mod
2016-08-29 12:17 <djphil> I should be able to provide a slideshow for users to visualize textures even if the textures are in no-copy
2016-08-29 12:17 <djphil> something is not there ...
2016-08-29 12:18 <djphil> and transfert ? why transfert ?
2016-08-29 12:18 <djphil> i should be able to share a slideshow without transfert !!!
2016-08-29 12:18 <Ubit> was already in 0.8.2
2016-08-29 12:19 <djphil> never see that
2016-08-29 12:19 <Ubit> could had be a merge from the more restrictive avn
2016-08-29 12:19 <Ubit> but nopes..
2016-08-29 12:19 <djphil> This is a deliberate limitation?
2016-08-29 12:20 <Ubit> yeap there in code also on 8.2
2016-08-29 12:20 <djphil> not cool :(
2016-08-29 12:22 <djphil> that really very very restictive
2016-08-29 12:24 <djphil> SL do this restriction also ?
2016-08-29 12:24 <Ubit> no ideia
2016-08-29 12:24 <djphil> me too ^^
2016-08-29 12:24 <djphil> Melanie_T maybee ...
2016-08-29 12:26 <djphil> above you say you are able to see the pictures ... sometimes slowly, but you can see it
2016-08-29 12:26 <djphil> then, return a null key have no sense ...
2016-08-29 12:26 <Ubit> with copy works
2016-08-29 12:26 <djphil> or i no understand why ...
2016-08-29 12:27 <djphil> yes, i understand it work with copy
2016-08-29 12:27 <djphil> but why it don't work without copy ... that the question
2016-08-29 12:28 <djphil> finally ...
2016-08-29 12:30 <Ubit> anyone here played with vehicle mouse steer at sl?
2016-08-29 12:31 <djphil> no, sorry
2016-08-29 12:40 <djphil> That really nice you add prim name and prim uuid in the console message
2016-08-29 12:40 <djphil> now able to fix all invalid mesh :)
2016-08-29 12:41 <djphil> simulator start without any warning now, tyvm Ubit
2016-08-29 12:41 <Ubit> :)
2016-08-29 12:56 <djphil> a little bug than i have never repported
2016-08-29 12:56 <djphil> http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/385300tpbug.jpg
2016-08-29 12:56 <djphil> wrong avatar position/animation
2016-08-29 12:56 <Ubit> yeap happens to me also
2016-08-29 12:57 <Ubit> viewer side
2016-08-29 12:57 <djphil> i can reproduce easly
2016-08-29 12:57 <Ubit> just happend to me moments ago :)
2016-08-29 12:57 <djphil> maybee you can fix "easly" also lol
2016-08-29 12:57 <djphil> the way to reproduce is this:
2016-08-29 12:58 <Ubit> not without making us hover 
2016-08-29 12:58 <Ubit> feet not touching ground
2016-08-29 12:58 <djphil> 1) go to viewer pref and set double clic to "teleport"
2016-08-29 12:58 <djphil> 2) create a large prim on groun( eg 10, 10, 1.0)
2016-08-29 12:58 <Ubit> i just stand on top of aprim
2016-08-29 12:59 <djphil> 3) use double clic to TP inside and double clic to TP outside
2016-08-29 12:59 <djphil> and each time you can see this bug
2016-08-29 13:00 <Ubit> i said to reduce that i whold need to place the avatar a bit higher
2016-08-29 13:00 <djphil> Hmmm
2016-08-29 13:01 <Ubit> to take viewers out of indecision area
2016-08-29 13:01 <djphil> this is a "No Refersh" problem ?
2016-08-29 13:02 <Ubit> viewer thinks we are inside prim
2016-08-29 13:02 <Ubit> so bends knees
2016-08-29 13:02 <djphil> out of the prim
2016-08-29 13:02 <djphil> and viewer think we are inside
2016-08-29 13:02 <djphil> hmmm strange
2016-08-29 13:02 <Ubit> inside prim or terrain
2016-08-29 13:02 <djphil> ok, i see
2016-08-29 13:03 <Ubit> guess its by a few cm
2016-08-29 13:03 <djphil> not cool for a defaukt avatar
2016-08-29 13:03 <djphil> default*
2016-08-29 13:03 <djphil> "cm" ?
2016-08-29 13:03 <Ubit> but as soon u move a bit it fixes it
2016-08-29 13:04 <Ubit> more irritating is FS stop the walk animation
2016-08-29 13:04 <djphil> yes when we move, avatar return to a descend position
2016-08-29 13:04 <Ubit> with us walking around
2016-08-29 13:05 <djphil> no fix possible in code  source?
2016-08-29 13:05 <Ubit> we keep moving in stand pose
2016-08-29 13:06 <djphil> it becomes normal ONLY if you move a little
2016-08-29 13:06 <djphil> if you do not move at all remains in the wrong position
2016-08-29 13:06 <Ubit> to work around i need to know why it does it, and i don't :)
2016-08-29 13:07 <djphil> sure
2016-08-29 13:07 <Ubit> now its working fine
2016-08-29 13:07 <djphil> hehe
2016-08-29 13:08 <Ubit> xii why do i run like a girl?
2016-08-29 13:09 <djphil> why not! (lol)
2016-08-29 13:10 <Ubit> men and women do move in a diferent way
2016-08-29 13:10 <Ubit> bones are diferent bc women need to be able to have babies
2016-08-29 13:12 <djphil> babies clone
2016-08-29 13:12 <Ubit> hm on sl jira seen Please gine my baby back
2016-08-29 13:12 <Ubit> someone drop a baby object on the floor and puff it disapeared :)
2016-08-29 13:13 <Ubit> but all text was as if a real baby was taken away
2016-08-29 13:14 <Ubit> btw that knees bend happens more near a prim corner like on yr pic
2016-08-29 14:25 <Ubit> pssttt jenkis.. code for you to complain about... psst ?
2016-08-29 14:26 <nebadon> it appears to be running
2016-08-29 14:27 <nebadon> might be hung up
2016-08-29 14:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4959: ABORTED in 3 hr 33 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4959/
2016-08-29 14:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8006: AttachmentModule triggered OnAttach by SOG  xengine expects by SOP
2016-08-29 14:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #4960 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: ABORTED -- last SUCCESS #4958 5 hr 8 min ago)
2016-08-29 14:27 <Ubit> yeap 3 hours..
2016-08-29 14:27 <nebadon> ok back alive :)
2016-08-29 14:28 <Ubit> :)
2016-08-29 14:29 <Ubit> thx
2016-08-29 14:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4960: SUCCESS in 5 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4960/
2016-08-29 14:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change my previus fix, change xengine to expect SOG and not attachments module, this way not breaking other script engines or modules out there for no valid reason
2016-08-29 15:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #4961 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-29 15:24 <Ubit> lol
2016-08-29 15:27 <Ubit> possible it was working bc of the missing dot :)
2016-08-29 15:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4961: SUCCESS in 5 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4961/
2016-08-29 15:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubOde mouse look steer with some  MOUSELOOK_BANK action
2016-08-29 15:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #4962 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-29 15:40 <Ubit> come jenkins.. it was only  a dot
2016-08-29 15:43 <Ubit> bahh its stuck again
2016-08-29 15:47 <nebadon> yea stuck on test
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2016-08-29 15:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubOde add a missing decimal dot :)
2016-08-29 15:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #4963 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: ABORTED -- last SUCCESS #4961 25 min ago)
2016-08-29 15:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4963: SUCCESS in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4963/
2016-08-29 16:49 <osmantis> Bug #8006:04 Attach Event triggers twice for the first script in a prim with multple scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8006 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-29 16:55 <osmantis> Bug #8013:04 The attached object from avatar's inventory does not inherit avatar's group = is not set to avatar's group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8013 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-29 18:07 <Melanie_T> SL also restricts the keys on textures
2016-08-29 18:07 <Melanie_T> if you have the uuid of a texture you can effectively use it
2016-08-29 18:08 <Melanie_T> so giving someone the uuid if a no copy textrue makes them able to use it
2016-08-29 18:08 <Melanie_T> having the uuid of a no-cop texture allows putting it on a prim which is effectively a copy
2016-08-29 18:08 <Melanie_T> so it's done that way in SL
2016-08-29 18:25 <djphil> in this case, is better to use llGetInventoryName(INVENTORY_TEXTURE, count);  instead of llGetInventoryKey(INVENTORY_TEXTURE, count); 
2016-08-29 18:25 <djphil> unless there is also limitation on texture name ...
2016-08-29 18:34 <Ubit> 57082 prims on a sl region?
2016-08-29 18:34 <Ubit> 42082 will be deleted, but there
2016-08-29 18:35 <Ubit> i just wanted to rez a little box
2016-08-29 18:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #4964 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-29 18:45 <osmantis> Bug #8013:04 The attached object from avatar's inventory does not inherit avatar's group = is not set to avatar's group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8013 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-29 18:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4964: SUCCESS in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4964/
2016-08-29 18:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8013: change attachment group to active group on attach from inventory
2016-08-29 18:50 <Ubit> hmm some  blogs from jan talking about boycott to 0.9  nice
2016-08-29 18:53 <djphil> why ?
2016-08-29 18:54 <Ubit> guess they say its all broken
2016-08-29 18:55 <Ubit> seems .8.2 was the best ever
2016-08-29 18:55 <djphil> why is broken on 0.9 and not broken on avination ...
2016-08-29 18:55 <djphil> 0.9 code come from avination no ?
2016-08-29 18:56 <Ubit> bc it got 0.8.2 code :p
2016-08-29 18:56 <djphil> avn isn't 0.9 ?
2016-08-29 18:57 <Ubit> well at this point 0.9 as a bit more than avn main code
2016-08-29 18:57 <djphil> but the code send by Mel is from avn right ?
2016-08-29 18:57 <djphil> i mean avn merge
2016-08-29 18:58 <Ubit> avn merge means avn code merged into 0.8.2
2016-08-29 18:58 <Ubit> 0.9 is now more than that
2016-08-29 18:58 <djphil> the avn merge code sin't used in avn grid ?
2016-08-29 18:59 <Melanie_T> at the moment avn is down
2016-08-29 18:59 <Melanie_T> hopefully not for long anymore
2016-08-29 18:59 <Melanie_T> but it is down now
2016-08-29 18:59 <Melanie_T> the plan is to use 0.9 in avn
2016-08-29 18:59 <Ubit> and guess it will merge in some things, mb not all
2016-08-29 18:59 <Ubit> ahh ok
2016-08-29 19:00 <djphil> but the code sended is allready used in avn or this code is send to opensim to test it
2016-08-29 19:00 <Ubit> was full avn main code
2016-08-29 19:02 <djphil> i try to understand if the avn code is tested by avn grid before send it to opensim
2016-08-29 19:03 <Melanie_T> yes
2016-08-29 19:03 <Ubit> as i said it was the code in use
2016-08-29 19:03 <Melanie_T> what we sent to opensim was the code we were running ourselves
2016-08-29 19:03 <djphil> oki
2016-08-29 19:04 <Ubit> mel just said  avn will possible use 0.9  that tells all :)
2016-08-29 19:04 <djphil> somehow yes :)
2016-08-29 19:05 <djphil> but Jan does not agree :p
2016-08-29 19:06 <djphil> OpenSim use the same script Engine like Avn ?
2016-08-29 19:16 <djphil> and another question, Avn have pathfinding and Experience tools ?
2016-08-29 19:23 <Ubit> jezzus no
2016-08-29 19:25 <Ubit> pathfinding sounds like sl tring to mk sl a bad game
2016-08-29 19:25 <djphil> to make great game you whant to mean
2016-08-29 19:26 <Ubit> nahh a bad one
2016-08-29 19:26 <Ubit> and experiences.. whats that? :)
2016-08-29 19:27 <djphil> pathfinding is used in many games ...
2016-08-29 19:27 <djphil> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Category:Experience_Tools
2016-08-29 19:27 <Ubit> it was a retoric question :p
2016-08-29 19:27 <Ubit> but thx
2016-08-29 19:28 <nebadon> Dahlia was working on some pathfinding stuff but it was all external
2016-08-29 19:28 <nebadon> would probably be very difficult to get the internal viewer pathfinding stuff working in opensim
2016-08-29 19:28 <nebadon> as its very dependant on havok files
2016-08-29 19:29 <Ubit> like almost all physics related things
2016-08-29 19:29 <Ubit> except the pre havoc ones
2016-08-29 19:29 <djphil> heh we have Ubit here :)
2016-08-29 19:29 <Ubit> well makes sense.. they do have havok to use :)
2016-08-29 20:40 <osmantis> Bug #8013:04 The attached object from avatar's inventory does not inherit avatar's group = is not set to avatar's group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8013 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-08-29 20:56 <osmantis> Bug #8014:04 Object still exists in inventory after relog, even it has been dropped on the ground. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8014 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2016-08-30 07:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #4965 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-08-30 08:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Xengine: remove a no thread safe locking, don't allocate a few objects only needed if creating a new domain
2016-08-30 17:56 <Plugh> nebadon, meeting time
2016-08-30 18:16 <nebadon> on my way Plugh, sorry was outside tending to the pool
2016-08-30 18:17 <Plugh> No need to apologize. I was just giving you the weekly in case you had forgotten and wanted to attend.
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2016-08-30 23:14 <osmantis> Bug #8015:04 Bulk Upload Failure Rate Insane (BASHES HEAD) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8015 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-08-31 08:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #4966 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-31 08:20 <Ubit> well it does seem working
2016-08-31 08:20 <Ubit> just its a somewhat big change so murphy sure got in
2016-08-31 08:21 <Ubit> ok neb if jenkis approves you can try on a wright clone with scripts cache clear
2016-08-31 08:22 <Ubit> ( well better on a smaller region.. it can still take days ;) )
2016-08-31 08:23 <Ubit> let me know memory use after loading with scripts cache clear versus with all scripts there compiled, on mono
2016-08-31 08:23 <Ubit> well peak use.. but thats harder do look
2016-08-31 08:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4966: FAILURE in 6 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4966/
2016-08-31 08:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Xengine: try to reduce memory pressure of scripts compile. Still ugly code, possible mistakes, but i need to share it before i loose it :) )
2016-08-31 08:24 <Ubit> yeah i love u 2 jenkis
2016-08-31 08:24 <Ubit> bahh
2016-08-31 08:24 <Ubit> Expected string length 631 but was 587. Strings differ at index 5.
2016-08-31 08:24 <Ubit>   Expected: "\n        public void default_event_touch_start(LSL_Types.LSLI..."
2016-08-31 08:24 <Ubit>   But was:  "\n    public void default_event_touch_start(LSL_Types.LSLInteg..."
2016-08-31 08:25 <Ubit> ok killing more tests
2016-08-31 08:26 <Ubit> this is not a regression jenkings its a change :p
2016-08-31 08:29 <Ubit> hm seems i lost a few tabs odd
2016-08-31 08:29 <Ubit> wait jenkinks i may forgive you
2016-08-31 08:34 <Ubit> yeap i did :)
2016-08-31 08:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #4967 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4965 1 day 0 hr ago)
2016-08-31 08:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4967: STILL FAILING in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4967/
2016-08-31 08:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Xengine: fix intermediate csharpe source identation. Not sure why i care, compiler sure doesn't and only we bother to create this files on code gen debug
2016-08-31 09:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #4968 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4965 1 day 1 hr ago)
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2016-08-31 09:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Xengine: forgot to do the indent on map too
2016-08-31 09:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #4969 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4965 1 day 1 hr ago)
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2016-08-31 09:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Xengine: also missed a few newlines account
2016-08-31 10:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #4970 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4965 1 day 2 hr ago)
2016-08-31 10:18 <Ubit> ( gave up counting something i may change soon )
2016-08-31 10:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4970: STILL FAILING in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4970/
2016-08-31 10:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Xengine: coment out tests too dependent on precise characters and lines generated on code convertion, viewer error position is what matters
2016-08-31 11:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #4971 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4965 1 day 3 hr ago)
2016-08-31 11:08 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-08-31 11:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4971: FIXED in 4 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4971/
2016-08-31 11:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Xengine: if option AppDomainLoading = true, create script domains for each SOG (like already done for attachments) and not per script. This should reduce number of domains without excessive problem of deleted scripts  still loaded.
2016-08-31 11:08 <Ubit> silly jenkis
2016-08-31 11:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #4972 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-08-31 11:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4972: SUCCESS in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4972/
2016-08-31 11:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Xengine: put back a newline on scripts preamble, and the ugly filename prefix, for now
2016-08-31 13:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #4973 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-08-31 13:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4973: SUCCESS in 4 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4973/
2016-08-31 13:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Xengine: and fix line count again
2016-08-31 13:58 <nebadon> heh wow, Ubit i switched Sisyphus over to AppDomainLoading=True under mono 4.6.0.165
2016-08-31 13:58 <nebadon> it seems to be working, but its using 5x more memory lol
2016-08-31 13:58 <nebadon> ouch
2016-08-31 13:59 <nebadon> atleast on TOP it does, on show stats its exactly the same
2016-08-31 13:59 <nebadon> around 400mb
2016-08-31 13:59 <nebadon> before on top it was about the same
2016-08-31 13:59 <nebadon> now on top its showing 1.6gb
2016-08-31 13:59 <nebadon> maybe that will eventually go down with GC though
2016-08-31 14:00 <nebadon> im going to flip newton over too and see how mono 4.6 handles it for a while
2016-08-31 14:01 <Ubit> domains do take memory
2016-08-31 14:01 <Ubit> and lots of single prims with scripts... my change as no effect
2016-08-31 14:02 <nebadon> oh i just realized this code isnt in httptests yet
2016-08-31 14:02 <Ubit> on my test i went from 160 domains to just 20.. so visible save
2016-08-31 14:03 <nebadon> im still going to flip over newton for now
2016-08-31 14:03 <nebadon> see how old code works with this on new linux
2016-08-31 14:03 <Ubit> well compare needs to be with previus version not using or not
2016-08-31 14:03 <nebadon> yea
2016-08-31 14:03 <Ubit> bc using we know costs
2016-08-31 14:03 <nebadon> i cleared out all the dlls and mdbs left just the state files on both
2016-08-31 14:04 <Ubit> yeap see if  used memory does go as high as before
2016-08-31 14:04 <Ubit> ( possible its slower now :( )
2016-08-31 14:07 <nebadon> newton is definitely using more memory
2016-08-31 14:07 <nebadon> and it has about 80 less scripts
2016-08-31 14:07 <Ubit> with new code ?
2016-08-31 14:07 <nebadon> newton is old code
2016-08-31 14:07 <nebadon> its on httptests still
2016-08-31 14:07 <Ubit> ahh ok
2016-08-31 14:08 <nebadon> right now top is showing 1.83gb VIRT for newton
2016-08-31 14:08 <nebadon> and 1.631gb for Sisyphus
2016-08-31 14:08 <nebadon> newton has 624 scripts running
2016-08-31 14:09 <nebadon> and sisyphus has 749
2016-08-31 14:09 <nebadon> so more like 120 more scripts
2016-08-31 14:09 <Ubit> and more prims holding them :)
2016-08-31 14:10 <nebadon> still like 9gb free memory on the box though
2016-08-31 14:10 <nebadon> so should be fine :)
2016-08-31 14:10 <Ubit> :)
2016-08-31 14:11 <Ubit> restarting not deleting the scripts  still a significate save on mem ?
2016-08-31 14:11 <nebadon> ah good point
2016-08-31 14:11 <nebadon> let me try that
2016-08-31 14:11 <nebadon> that first start is always pretty nasty
2016-08-31 14:12 <Ubit> on win.. a disaster :)
2016-08-31 14:13 <Ubit> my teste region with on it  359MB
2016-08-31 14:13 <Ubit> start with scripts deleted,  900MB
2016-08-31 14:13 <nebadon> ya dang
2016-08-31 14:13 <Ubit> before this
2016-08-31 14:13 <nebadon> script starting definitely takes much longer it seems
2016-08-31 14:13 <nebadon> with domains = true
2016-08-31 14:13 <Ubit> well that is expected also
2016-08-31 14:13 <nebadon> maybe 2-3 times longer it feels like
2016-08-31 14:14 <Ubit> outch
2016-08-31 14:14 <nebadon> WP would probably take hmm 25-30 minutes to start
2016-08-31 14:14 <Ubit> well i also added more load on top of the domains
2016-08-31 14:14 <nebadon> lol
2016-08-31 14:14 <Ubit> but this is not a replace for not using domains
2016-08-31 14:15 <nebadon> yea I know
2016-08-31 14:15 <Ubit> just try to make it a bit better for those who want them
2016-08-31 14:15 <nebadon> i was more interested in seeing if mono has improved for stability
2016-08-31 14:15 <nebadon> not to long ago most of my regions wouldnt even start
2016-08-31 14:15 <nebadon> with it set to true
2016-08-31 14:15 <nebadon> they would stack trace on startup
2016-08-31 14:16 <nebadon> I may try loading WP locally in a bit with it set to true
2016-08-31 14:16 <nebadon> WP has never once started with it on true
2016-08-31 14:16 <nebadon> it always gets to about 1000 scripts and stack trace
2016-08-31 14:16 <Ubit> my 20 seem to cost 100MB.. well hard to tell, everytime i fire the region i have diferent memory use grrr
2016-08-31 14:16 <nebadon> interesting part is on show stats the heap size is unchanged
2016-08-31 14:17 <nebadon> it the same on true or false
2016-08-31 14:17 <nebadon> its only top that shows a major difference
2016-08-31 14:17 <Ubit> seems prob its unused memory
2016-08-31 14:17 <nebadon> memory is slightly lower on restart
2016-08-31 14:17 <Ubit> that gc does not free or use
2016-08-31 14:17 <nebadon> only about 100mb for both regions
2016-08-31 14:17 <nebadon> i'll let it run for a few hours
2016-08-31 14:18 <nebadon> and see what memory looks like
2016-08-31 14:18 <Ubit> well .net and mono are diferent
2016-08-31 14:18 <nebadon> yea
2016-08-31 14:18 <nebadon> .net is improving a lot lately
2016-08-31 14:18 <nebadon> many microsoft people are commiting code 
2016-08-31 14:19 <nebadon> err sorry
2016-08-31 14:19 <nebadon> mono is improving
2016-08-31 14:19 <Ubit> :)
2016-08-31 14:19 <nebadon> there are a bunch of microsoft employees committing code to github
2016-08-31 14:21 <nebadon> hmm
2016-08-31 14:21 <nebadon> one thing i just noticed
2016-08-31 14:21 <nebadon> CPU is much lower
2016-08-31 14:21 <nebadon> maybe 50-60% lower
2016-08-31 14:21 <Ubit> odd
2016-08-31 14:21 <Ubit> what did i kill? :)
2016-08-31 14:21 <nebadon> went from like 20-25% of a single core
2016-08-31 14:22 <nebadon> to like 10% of a single core
2016-08-31 14:22 <nebadon> 10-12%
2016-08-31 14:22 <nebadon> its likely mono
2016-08-31 14:22 <nebadon> how its handling threads
2016-08-31 14:22 <nebadon> is my guess
2016-08-31 14:23 <Ubit> no ideia
2016-08-31 14:23 <nebadon> more threads in this case is likely more efficient
2016-08-31 14:23 <nebadon> instead of a single thread chugging through massive domain
2016-08-31 14:23 <Ubit> never is :p
2016-08-31 14:23 <Ubit> and domains have no relation with threads
2016-08-31 14:23 <nebadon> hmm ya i dunno then
2016-08-31 14:23 <nebadon> its definitely lower
2016-08-31 14:23 <nebadon> let me log in see how it feels
2016-08-31 14:24 <Ubit> i see same use of threads on win
2016-08-31 14:25 <Ubit> and made no changes that could change that  hmm much,,
2016-08-31 14:25 <nebadon> yea maybe its something else then
2016-08-31 14:25 <nebadon> becasue now i think about it, newton doesnt have the code
2016-08-31 14:25 <nebadon> and its CPU is lower also
2016-08-31 14:25 <Ubit> i killed you scripts? :)
2016-08-31 14:25 <nebadon> well no because newton is old code
2016-08-31 14:25 <nebadon> and its CPU is much lower oto
2016-08-31 14:25 <nebadon> ahaa it must be mono
2016-08-31 14:26 <Ubit> ohh
2016-08-31 14:26 <nebadon> i just upgraded
2016-08-31 14:26 <nebadon> from 4.6.0.125 to 4.6.0.165
2016-08-31 14:26 <Ubit> then its something else
2016-08-31 14:26 <nebadon> they must have changed something drastically
2016-08-31 14:26 <nebadon> it literally cut CPU in 1/2
2016-08-31 14:26 <Ubit> ok
2016-08-31 14:26 <nebadon> nice though im certainly not complaining lol
2016-08-31 14:26 <Ubit> better jit ?
2016-08-31 14:26 <nebadon> maybe I dunno its not a major upgrade so
2016-08-31 14:26 <nebadon> dunno
2016-08-31 14:26 <nebadon> like i said though microsoft is commiting a lot of resources to mono it seems
2016-08-31 14:27 <Ubit> they do kinda suport it for mobile
2016-08-31 14:27 <Ubit> xmarian ?
2016-08-31 14:27 <nebadon> I think they bought xamarin
2016-08-31 14:27 <nebadon> they own it now lol
2016-08-31 14:27 <Ubit> lol
2016-08-31 14:28 <nebadon> so technically they are all microsoft employees
2016-08-31 14:28 <nebadon> however
2016-08-31 14:28 <nebadon> these are not xamarin folks
2016-08-31 14:28 <nebadon> they are actually microsoft people
2016-08-31 14:28 <Ubit> ok
2016-08-31 14:28 <nebadon> the xamarin staff say Xamarin on their github profiles
2016-08-31 14:28 <nebadon> these people all say Microsoft Corp.
2016-08-31 14:29 <nebadon> I think microsofts big focus is making sure linux runs well in Azure
2016-08-31 14:29 <nebadon> optimizing mono makes for better cloud
2016-08-31 14:31 <nebadon> eeek
2016-08-31 14:31 <nebadon> my racer is seriously broken
2016-08-31 14:31 <Ubit> 
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2016-08-31 14:31 <nebadon> it seems more like a physics issue
2016-08-31 14:31 <nebadon> than a scripting issue though
2016-08-31 14:31 <Ubit> 
ACTION looks again

2016-08-31 14:32 <Ubit> bullet?
2016-08-31 14:32 <nebadon> hmm maybe it was just that one car
2016-08-31 14:32 <nebadon> i erased it rezzed a new one now its fine
2016-08-31 14:32 <nebadon> oooh
2016-08-31 14:32 <nebadon> i think I see what it was
2016-08-31 14:32 <nebadon> lol
2016-08-31 14:33 <Ubit> ?
2016-08-31 14:33 <nebadon> it was that Follower icosphere
2016-08-31 14:33 <nebadon> was flipping the vehicle over 
2016-08-31 14:33 <nebadon> haha
2016-08-31 14:33 <Ubit> lol
2016-08-31 14:33 <nebadon> I think it got stuck inside the car with me
2016-08-31 14:33 <nebadon> lol
2016-08-31 14:33 <nebadon> too funny
2016-08-31 14:33 <Ubit> :)
2016-08-31 14:34 <Ubit> hmm vegas was doing mouse steer fo bullet
2016-08-31 14:34 <nebadon> for some reason my racer
2016-08-31 14:34 <Ubit> but didnt submite bullet code
2016-08-31 14:34 <nebadon> if you go into burnout the smoke never stops coming out of the tires
2016-08-31 14:34 <Ubit> only that core part that i changed :)
2016-08-31 14:35 <nebadon> ya this smoke thing has been a problem for a while
2016-08-31 14:35 <nebadon> ah it finally stopped
2016-08-31 14:35 <nebadon> wierd
2016-08-31 14:35 <Ubit> :)
2016-08-31 14:35 <Ubit> still 256 full physics prims?
2016-08-31 14:36 <nebadon> ahh i have to let the vehicle come to a complete top
2016-08-31 14:36 <nebadon> stop*
2016-08-31 14:36 <nebadon> then the smoke stops coming out
2016-08-31 14:36 <djphil> i have the same "problem" with vehicles burnout
2016-08-31 14:37 <nebadon> ya it didnt always do this
2016-08-31 14:37 <djphil> and hello :)
2016-08-31 14:37 <Ubit> hello :)
2016-08-31 14:37 <nebadon> I think it started after the big avination merge
2016-08-31 14:37 <Ubit> 
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2016-08-31 14:38 <nebadon> i'll have to dig in and look at the code again i cant remember how it even works now
2016-08-31 14:38 <djphil> I must never have looked in the script to try to improve this part
2016-08-31 14:38 <nebadon> i think it uses linkset message to update the tire effects from main script
2016-08-31 14:38 <nebadon> seems wierd it would fail if car is moving
2016-08-31 14:39 <nebadon> the screech sound also doesnt stop
2016-08-31 14:39 <nebadon> unless vehicle comes to a complete halt
2016-08-31 14:39 <Ubit> i never understud that car sounds :)
2016-08-31 14:39 <Ubit> well  all cars have odd sound behavour
2016-08-31 14:39 <nebadon> ya its using link_message
2016-08-31 14:40 <nebadon> so when you shift gears its sending a link_message 
2016-08-31 14:40 <nebadon> seems the child prims dont get that message if vehicle is moving
2016-08-31 14:40 <nebadon> odd
2016-08-31 14:40 <nebadon> it definitely wasnt always this way
2016-08-31 14:40 <nebadon> it worked well for a long time
2016-08-31 14:40 <Ubit> put a ll say on them to check
2016-08-31 14:40 <nebadon> i havent i can though
2016-08-31 14:41 <Ubit> se no relation btw velocity and link_message
2016-08-31 14:41 <Ubit> unless the events queue is 2 busy 
2016-08-31 14:44 <djphil> particles is in the timer and stop with speed
2016-08-31 14:44 <Ubit> yeap smoke in turbo :)
2016-08-31 14:44 <Ubit> and burnout sound
2016-08-31 14:44 <djphil> id (speed < 0.3) {llParticles Systemç([])
2016-08-31 14:45 <Ubit> well this is the 0.186 version
2016-08-31 14:47 <nebadon> ya not that vehcle
2016-08-31 14:48 <nebadon> look at the McLaren 1.41
2016-08-31 14:48 <nebadon> sent
2016-08-31 14:48 <nebadon> geez 0.186 is aincent
2016-08-31 14:49 <Ubit> :)
2016-08-31 14:49 <nebadon> does that thing eve move still?
2016-08-31 14:49 <nebadon> lol
2016-08-31 14:49 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-31 14:49 <djphil> i'm looking in Burnout v3.1
2016-08-31 14:49 <Ubit> a bit slow on unObe
2016-08-31 14:49 <nebadon> it doesnt work at all in Bulletsim
2016-08-31 14:49 <djphil> (Ingen Lab)
2016-08-31 14:49 <nebadon> well it does
2016-08-31 14:49 <nebadon> but it moves about 0.005mph
2016-08-31 14:49 <nebadon> lol
2016-08-31 14:49 <nebadon> and ya damn this fails too
2016-08-31 14:49 <nebadon> what the hell
2016-08-31 14:49 <nebadon> this vehicle should not be failing
2016-08-31 14:50 <nebadon> it works for years without doing this
2016-08-31 14:50 <djphil> not form me, here allways do that ...
2016-08-31 14:50 <Ubit> the smoke does fail to stop now and then
2016-08-31 14:51 <nebadon> for me it only stops
2016-08-31 14:51 <Ubit> or does stop now and then :)
2016-08-31 14:51 <nebadon> if the vehicle completely stops
2016-08-31 14:51 <nebadon> i can say for sure, that in the past it did not do this
2016-08-31 14:51 <nebadon> darn vegaslon not here
2016-08-31 14:52 <djphil> but I see something in bizzard particles script
2016-08-31 14:52 <djphil> something apparently unused
2016-08-31 14:52 <djphil> should extinguish particles as if it receives message "burnoutoff" .... but the script never hand sends this message hehe
2016-08-31 14:55 <Ubit> who sends stopburn ?
2016-08-31 14:55 <nebadon> what do you mean who?
2016-08-31 14:55 <nebadon> hehe
2016-08-31 14:55 <nebadon> you mean what script/
2016-08-31 14:55 <nebadon> the main script in the root prim should be
2016-08-31 14:55 <Ubit> yeap
2016-08-31 14:55 <djphil> in the particles scripts
2016-08-31 14:55 <nebadon> in the gear shift code
2016-08-31 14:55 <Ubit> not there 
2016-08-31 14:55 <nebadon> hmm what vehicle?
2016-08-31 14:55 <djphil> script name here is "burnout Rfx"
2016-08-31 14:55 <nebadon> the mclaren or 0.186 racer?
2016-08-31 14:56 <Ubit> mclaren
2016-08-31 14:56 <nebadon> ok I have a meeting for the next couple hours, but after that is over I will look closer again
2016-08-31 14:56 <djphil> (custom vehicle here)
2016-08-31 14:56 <nebadon> im pretty sure 0.186 has it though
2016-08-31 14:56 <nebadon> and that vehicle is also doing it
2016-08-31 14:56 <nebadon> so something odd for sure
2016-08-31 14:56 <nebadon> Ubit
2016-08-31 14:57 <nebadon> in the Mclaren
2016-08-31 14:57 <nebadon> check the other tire script
2016-08-31 14:57 <nebadon> to see if it is doing it
2016-08-31 14:57 <nebadon> there is 2 scripts in the tire
2016-08-31 14:57 <nebadon> i logged out for the moment
2016-08-31 14:57 <Ubit> only see letsburn and a few others
2016-08-31 14:57 <Ubit> no stop
2016-08-31 14:57 <nebadon> odd
2016-08-31 14:57 <nebadon> it does stop though
2016-08-31 14:57 <nebadon> so that is strange
2016-08-31 14:58 <djphil> i see the same script in the lamborgini reventon 0.0.5
2016-08-31 14:58 <djphil> at line 133 in "burnout Rfx"
2016-08-31 15:00 <djphil> in lambo, the main script is v2.0 and he don't send any "burnoutoff" linkend message to the whell
2016-08-31 15:00 <djphil> and whell whait this message :p
2016-08-31 15:01 <Ubit> im looking to v3 :)
2016-08-31 15:01 <djphil> me too, v3.1
2016-08-31 15:01 <djphil> v3.1 don't send any "burnoutoff"
2016-08-31 15:02 <Ubit> yeap don't see it either
2016-08-31 15:02 <Ubit> in 3.06
2016-08-31 15:03 <djphil> i'm 99% sure these script need some improvments ...
2016-08-31 15:04 <Ubit> don't understand sounds either
2016-08-31 15:05 <nebadon> the wierd thing is I know it was working at one point
2016-08-31 15:05 <nebadon> i'll mess around with it in a bit and see what I can find
2016-08-31 15:05 <nebadon> the sounds and the particles should really work the same
2016-08-31 15:06 <Ubit> guess the only thing that stops smoke is a speed < 0,3 on the particles prim
2016-08-31 15:06 <Ubit> not gear change
2016-08-31 15:07 <djphil> yeap
2016-08-31 15:07 <nebadon> yea its certainly possible the only reasn it worked in the past was due to a bug
2016-08-31 15:07 <nebadon> lol
2016-08-31 15:07 <nebadon> and then the bug got fixed and now it doesnt work like it did
2016-08-31 15:07 <Ubit> typical opensim :)
2016-08-31 15:08 <Ubit> but nice car :)
2016-08-31 15:08 <Ubit> thx
2016-08-31 15:08 <nebadon> the Mclaren?
2016-08-31 15:08 <nebadon> ya it drives super nice
2016-08-31 17:53 <nebadon> memory usage seems to be getting worse over time Ubit
2016-08-31 17:53 <nebadon> both sisyphus and newton have increased memory by about 250mb since i started them
2016-08-31 17:54 <nebadon> even with the ability to unload scripts in single domain, memory does not increase that much even over weeks of running
2016-08-31 17:54 <nebadon> without the ability to unload scripts i mean
2016-08-31 17:55 <nebadon> ill let it run for 24 hours and see if it gets worse
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2016-08-31 22:31 <djphil> nebadon : i attenpt to find a simple and "realistic" way to stop the burnout (sound and fog)
2016-08-31 22:31 <djphil> i found one way
2016-08-31 22:32 <djphil> at line 133 in the "burnout Rfx" script
2016-08-31 22:33 <djphil> i remplace if (message == "burnoutoff")
2016-08-31 22:33 <djphil> by if (message == "burnoutoff" || message == "NoSpin")
2016-08-31 22:34 <djphil> or just remplace "burnoutoff" (no used) by "NoSpin"
2016-08-31 22:34 <djphil> seems to be realistic ...
2016-08-31 22:35 <djphil> and protects the ears of this shrill sound :)
2016-08-31 22:43 <nebadon> lol nice
2016-08-31 23:29 <djphil> heh that nice also https://www.brightcanopy.com/
2016-08-31 23:39 <djphil> already exists for 1 year but i've never seen
2016-09-01 11:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #4974 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-01 11:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4974: FAILURE in 5 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4974/
2016-09-01 11:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: assets uploads to grid. Change the retry code. Stop using asset.UploadAttempts field that should be removed
2016-09-01 12:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #4975 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4973 22 hr ago)
2016-09-01 12:06 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
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2016-09-01 12:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: asset tests that still need UploadAttempts
2016-09-01 12:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #4976 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
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2016-09-01 12:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change MAXSENDRETRIESLEN from test value to normal
2016-09-01 13:31 <osmantis> Bug #8013:04 The attached object from avatar's inventory does not inherit avatar's group = is not set to avatar's group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8013 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-09-01 13:53 <osmantis> Bug #8005:04 Crash on Teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8005 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-01 13:55 <osmantis> Bug #8002:04 Enhancing the Cinder's offer for creating user with optional  string model in robust console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8002 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-01 13:56 <osmantis> Bug #8012:04 Implement Mouse Look Steering in vehicles 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8012 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-01 13:58 <osmantis> Bug #7976:04 [PHYSICS ENGINE] Very imprecise surface detection with ubODE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7976 ): has been CLOSED
2016-09-01 14:31 <osmantis> Bug #7979:04 llSetPrimitiveParams doesn't use vectors like specified (PRIM_TYPE) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7979 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-09-01 15:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change asset upload retry timer AutoReset back to true
2016-09-01 15:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #4978 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-01 15:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4978: SUCCESS in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4978/
2016-09-01 15:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove some MegaRegions code from physics
2016-09-01 16:06 <djphil> Hmm, you close the 7976 Ubit
2016-09-01 16:06 <djphil> and you say "You should avoid the viewer mesh analyses"
2016-09-01 16:06 <Ubit> the position on ubOde?
2016-09-01 16:06 <Ubit> ive no changes to do
2016-09-01 16:06 <djphil> the [PHYSICS ENGINE] Very imprecise surface detection with ubODE
2016-09-01 16:07 <Ubit> (and dont repo that)
2016-09-01 16:07 <djphil> ha ok
2016-09-01 16:07 <djphil> i see a new comment from you
2016-09-01 16:07 <Ubit> bte check avator hover
2016-09-01 16:07 <djphil> but i cant repply ...
2016-09-01 16:07 <Ubit> welll sorry 
2016-09-01 16:08 <djphil> np
2016-09-01 16:08 <Ubit> been sometime since i added that note also
2016-09-01 16:08 <Ubit> what did you want to add?
2016-09-01 16:09 <djphil> several things to start by asking precisely what you call "mesh viewer analysis"
2016-09-01 16:09 <djphil> what is "viewer analysis" for you ?
2016-09-01 16:10 <Ubit> in viewer on upload , physics tab
2016-09-01 16:10 <djphil> the step 2 from the second tabs ?
2016-09-01 16:10 <Ubit> yeap
2016-09-01 16:10 <Ubit> avoid that, at least in ubOde
2016-09-01 16:10 <djphil> but how i can use step 1 without wtep 2
2016-09-01 16:10 <djphil> i! need step 1
2016-09-01 16:10 <Ubit> that does extra simplification on the mesh and may cause "distortions"
2016-09-01 16:10 <djphil> else i can't turn the prim type on "Prim"
2016-09-01 16:11 <Ubit> no steps :p
2016-09-01 16:11 <djphil> only convex hull
2016-09-01 16:11 <Ubit> that is not step 1
2016-09-01 16:11 <djphil> i need set prim type to "Prim"
2016-09-01 16:11 <Ubit> that is telling the mesh to use :)
2016-09-01 16:11 <Ubit> or it says step 1 ?
2016-09-01 16:12 <djphil> just above step 2 lol
2016-09-01 16:12 <djphil> LEvel of Detail (LOD)
2016-09-01 16:12 <Ubit> well then :)
2016-09-01 16:12 <Ubit> yeap that you need to do
2016-09-01 16:12 <djphil> i need LOD
2016-09-01 16:13 <djphil> i'm using LOD from custom file i made ...
2016-09-01 16:13 <Ubit> keep in ming physics uses that data
2016-09-01 16:13 <Ubit> if the surface of that mesh does not match the visual one   you see it
2016-09-01 16:14 <djphil> i know that
2016-09-01 16:14 <djphil> (i hope) ^^
2016-09-01 16:14 <Ubit> :)
2016-09-01 16:15 <Ubit> you can use to viewer to see the phsyics mesh in world
2016-09-01 16:15 <djphil> but never problem with thaht on Bullet
2016-09-01 16:15 <djphil> i use the viewer preview
2016-09-01 16:15 <Ubit> later in world
2016-09-01 16:15 <djphil> and my Physic file is clean
2016-09-01 16:15 <Ubit> hmm im messing code. can' open viewer now
2016-09-01 16:16 <djphil> the physic file remain transparent inworld
2016-09-01 16:16 <Ubit> its a viewer option on advance or something menu
2016-09-01 16:17 <djphil> you mean maybee "edge", "Phyics", "Textires", Skin weight" or "join"
2016-09-01 16:17 <Ubit> no
2016-09-01 16:17 <djphil> that preview options
2016-09-01 16:18 <djphil> or in the first tab ... you have High, Med, Low, and lowest
2016-09-01 16:18 <djphil> but that for distance view ...
2016-09-01 16:18 <Ubit> or file
2016-09-01 16:18 <Ubit> thats view side
2016-09-01 16:19 <Ubit> fs ?
2016-09-01 16:19 <djphil> in the first tab yçu can change "Lod from file", or Generate or use lod above
2016-09-01 16:19 <djphil> but that for distance view
2016-09-01 16:19 <Ubit> no that
2016-09-01 16:19 <djphil> yes i'm on FS
2016-09-01 16:20 <Ubit> Developer menu ->
2016-09-01 16:20 <djphil> ha in Dev menu
2016-09-01 16:20 <Ubit>   renderMetaData -> physics shapes
2016-09-01 16:21 <djphil> ok, found
2016-09-01 16:21 <Ubit> don't do it with a lot or prims arounf
2016-09-01 16:21 <djphil> lol
2016-09-01 16:21 <Ubit> that shows the physics mesh in use
2016-09-01 16:21 <djphil> yes
2016-09-01 16:21 <Ubit> a better check than the upload preview
2016-09-01 16:22 <Ubit> of course physics may not decode exactly at viewer
2016-09-01 16:22 <Ubit> in ode case if the step 2 is used
2016-09-01 16:22 <Ubit> no idea on bullet
2016-09-01 16:23 <Ubit> yr thing is at osg?
2016-09-01 16:23 <djphil> but it does concern already imported mesh
2016-09-01 16:23 <djphil> yes in OSG
2016-09-01 16:23 <Ubit> ok let me do a test to the code changes  i just made
2016-09-01 16:24 <djphil> np
2016-09-01 16:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #4979 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-01 16:25 <Ubit> yr offline :p
2016-09-01 16:26 <djphil> yep, i'm go to laptop
2016-09-01 16:26 <djphil> 2'
2016-09-01 16:26 <Ubit> ok
2016-09-01 16:26 <djphil> 32G Ram on it ...
2016-09-01 16:26 <djphil> better tu use Advanced option :)
2016-09-01 16:26 <Ubit> its gpu
2016-09-01 16:27 <djphil> i7 4core 8Threaths
2016-09-01 16:27 <Ubit> well its only a test to check a uploaded mesh
2016-09-01 16:28 <djphil> sure
2016-09-01 16:28 <Ubit> sent a tp
2016-09-01 16:28 <djphil> i'm coming :p
2016-09-01 16:28 <Ubit> my net is bad.. so be patient :)
2016-09-01 16:29 <djphil> hmmm i bush of red console here
2016-09-01 16:30 <djphil> cna't resolve host name, strange
2016-09-01 16:30 <djphil> but that for later ...
2016-09-01 16:30 <Ubit> ?
2016-09-01 16:30 <djphil> nothing
2016-09-01 16:30 <Ubit> well on appearence
2016-09-01 16:30 <Ubit> nothing what?
2016-09-01 16:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4979: SUCCESS in 4 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4979/
2016-09-01 16:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove some MegaRegions code from ubOde
2016-09-01 16:30 <djphil> nothing about red alert i see here
2016-09-01 16:30 <Ubit> how do you see red if you are on my region?
2016-09-01 16:31 <Ubit> but wait
2016-09-01 16:31 <Ubit> on the viewer
2016-09-01 16:31 <Ubit> click on the avatar
2016-09-01 16:31 <djphil> when i teleport from mine region to your region
2016-09-01 16:31 <Ubit> appearance then hover height
2016-09-01 16:31 <Ubit> what does it say ?
2016-09-01 16:32 <djphil> is 50
2016-09-01 16:32 <djphil> i have changed some day ago
2016-09-01 16:32 <djphil> when we talk about it
2016-09-01 16:32 <djphil> i test 55, 60
2016-09-01 16:32 <Ubit> how is it 50 id max is 2 ?
2016-09-01 16:32 <djphil> that for bad avatar position
2016-09-01 16:33 <Ubit> i said click on you, appearence then hover height, still on the round meny
2016-09-01 16:33 <djphil> in the first tab "Body"
2016-09-01 16:33 <osmantis> Bug #8005:04 Crash on Teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8005 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-01 16:33 <Ubit> see it ?
2016-09-01 16:33 <djphil> at the Bottom i see "Hover" = 50
2016-09-01 16:34 <djphil> right ?
2016-09-01 16:34 <Ubit> well that is in edit shape already
2016-09-01 16:34 <djphil> yes
2016-09-01 16:34 <Ubit> get out og it
2016-09-01 16:34 <Ubit> and click on you again
2016-09-01 16:34 <Ubit> appearence
2016-09-01 16:34 <djphil> ok
2016-09-01 16:34 <djphil> ok i see
2016-09-01 16:34 <djphil> :)
2016-09-01 16:34 <djphil> is 0.000
2016-09-01 16:35 <Ubit> odd
2016-09-01 16:35 <Ubit> well i don't see yr knees bent anymore
2016-09-01 16:35 <djphil> 0.001 ?
2016-09-01 16:35 <Ubit> set 0
2016-09-01 16:35 <djphil> ok, is 0
2016-09-01 16:36 <Ubit> and go to that platform in front of you
2016-09-01 16:36 <djphil> ha ok, i understand lol
2016-09-01 16:36 <Ubit> ok feet fine on a normal prim
2016-09-01 16:36 <Ubit> now your test prim?  found it ?
2016-09-01 16:37 <djphil> i see a bad foot
2016-09-01 16:37 <Ubit> thats yr foot :p
2016-09-01 16:37 <djphil> yep
2016-09-01 16:37 <djphil> missing shoe
2016-09-01 16:38 <Ubit> yeap
2016-09-01 16:38 <Ubit> really missing
2016-09-01 16:38 <djphil> not sore
2016-09-01 16:38 <Ubit> but thats another issue
2016-09-01 16:38 <djphil> let me try reload it
2016-09-01 16:38 <djphil> yep
2016-09-01 16:38 <Ubit> find that test prim
2016-09-01 16:39 <djphil> i see the test prim
2016-09-01 16:39 <djphil> to test what ?
2016-09-01 16:40 <Ubit> what you showed on the mantis pics
2016-09-01 16:40 <djphil> ok, but the mantis isn't a prim but a custom mesh
2016-09-01 16:40 <Ubit> nice now yr all white :)
2016-09-01 16:41 <Ubit> bahh and a mesh isn't on a prim??
2016-09-01 16:41 <djphil> yes found shoes :)
2016-09-01 16:41 <djphil> yes a prim is a mesh
2016-09-01 16:41 <djphil> but not 100% same
2016-09-01 16:41 <djphil> my custom mesh have inclined faces
2016-09-01 16:42 <Ubit> men rez the damm thiing on my region :p
2016-09-01 16:42 <djphil> is you do that on a single prim
2016-09-01 16:42 <Ubit> so we can see it
2016-09-01 16:42 <djphil> your texture come very bad !
2016-09-01 16:42 <Ubit> what to say about yrs.. you are all white :p
2016-09-01 16:42 <djphil> that why i do a custom mesh (with correct texture)
2016-09-01 16:42 <Ubit> do you have it in inventory ?
2016-09-01 16:43 <djphil> yes all white lol (that my "super rescue" avatar
2016-09-01 16:43 <Ubit> can you rez that prim with that mesh or not ?
2016-09-01 16:44 <djphil> maybee if a find that mesh on my .dae backup
2016-09-01 16:44 <djphil> i need to find it
2016-09-01 16:44 <Ubit> ok take yr time
2016-09-01 16:45 <Ubit> im going to fly to test terrain while you look
2016-09-01 16:45 <djphil> i try to find but difficult when i speak here with you at same time lol
2016-09-01 16:45 <djphil> ok
2016-09-01 16:45 <djphil> my camera is stuck on your avi hahaha
2016-09-01 16:46 <Ubit> its a nive avi :p
2016-09-01 16:46 <Ubit> nice
2016-09-01 16:46 <djphil> for sure yes :)
2016-09-01 16:46 <djphil> ok, can't found quicky
2016-09-01 16:47 <djphil> better i create new one now
2016-09-01 16:48 <djphil> Ubit, can i take one from my region ?
2016-09-01 16:49 <Ubit> its yr region..  you know :)
2016-09-01 16:49 <djphil> o
2016-09-01 16:49 <djphil> ok*
2016-09-01 16:49 <Ubit> and you are the one showing me the issue :p
2016-09-01 16:50 <Ubit> 17:49:55 - [InventoryAccessModule]: Could not find asset 0391ead4-e492-445a-8819
2016-09-01 16:50 <Ubit> -7c4b7df4cb15 for item Cube.007_0 5906ac59-1886-413c-9e3d-a3c47aa59281 for dj ph
2016-09-01 16:50 <Ubit> il in RezObject()
2016-09-01 16:51 <djphil> yep i shear the mesh on Trash
2016-09-01 16:51 <djphil> search*
2016-09-01 16:51 <djphil> i try to rez one from Trash
2016-09-01 16:51 <djphil> but missing ...
2016-09-01 16:52 <Ubit> possible got there during osg assets problems
2016-09-01 16:52 <djphil> yep ...
2016-09-01 16:56 <Ubit> yeah don't know whats the thing with tha mesh
2016-09-01 16:57 <Ubit> normals possible ?
2016-09-01 16:59 <djphil> what ?
2016-09-01 17:01 <djphil> ho cool
2016-09-01 17:02 <djphil> i found the original mesh .dae i made
2016-09-01 17:02 <Ubit> ok
2016-09-01 17:02 <djphil> and the .blend
2016-09-01 17:02 <djphil> i can send to you if you whant
2016-09-01 17:03 <Ubit> send how ?
2016-09-01 17:03 <djphil> i  can explain step by step how i made and how i import it
2016-09-01 17:03 <djphil> send via my http server (zip)
2016-09-01 17:04 <Ubit> ok
2016-09-01 17:04 <djphil> here is : http://digigrids.no-ip.org/ubit/
2016-09-01 17:05 <djphil> podium_01 is the very very low poly
2016-09-01 17:05 <djphil> podium_01a is with more subdivision surface
2016-09-01 17:05 <djphil> i made that to do tests ...
2016-09-01 17:06 <Ubit> ok got it
2016-09-01 17:06 <djphil> kk
2016-09-01 17:06 <djphil> really hope you can do somthing for that ...
2016-09-01 17:07 <djphil> (i have a lot of problem with that)
2016-09-01 17:07 <Ubit> what is the visible mesh and physics?
2016-09-01 17:08 <djphil> for podium_01..dae, podium_01.dae LOD
2016-09-01 17:09 <djphil> and for podium_01a.dae, podium_01a LOD
2016-09-01 17:09 <djphil> but also
2016-09-01 17:09 <djphil> you can use podium_01.dae for mesh and podium_01a.dae for LOD
2016-09-01 17:09 <Ubit> this is 01a for all
2016-09-01 17:09 <Ubit> and odd
2016-09-01 17:09 <djphil> no
2016-09-01 17:09 <djphil> one is 01 and one is 01a
2016-09-01 17:10 <Ubit> i uploaded 01a
2016-09-01 17:10 <djphil> the difference is only the resolution
2016-09-01 17:10 <djphil> ha you don't upload entire zip file ?
2016-09-01 17:10 <djphil> ha inworld ok
2016-09-01 17:11 <djphil> i see you :p
2016-09-01 17:11 <djphil> and i see exactly the same problem when you import it
2016-09-01 17:11 <djphil> hehe
2016-09-01 17:12 <djphil> you agree, this is really bad ...
2016-09-01 17:12 <djphil> (it is a very basic mesh ... what appen with more complex meshs ?)
2016-09-01 17:13 <djphil> i do some tests, results very bad :s
2016-09-01 17:14 <djphil> (and i can send you !!!) loool
2016-09-01 17:14 <djphil> you understand now why i shout when i see this mantis closed :)
2016-09-01 17:17 <Ubit> look
2016-09-01 17:18 <Ubit> i opened in blender
2016-09-01 17:18 <Ubit> only seen quads
2016-09-01 17:18 <djphil> yes
2016-09-01 17:19 <Ubit> created triangles, recalc normals, remove doubles
2016-09-01 17:19 <Ubit> and saved the collada
2016-09-01 17:19 <djphil> ok
2016-09-01 17:19 <djphil> ok
2016-09-01 17:19 <djphil> for mesh or LOD or both ?
2016-09-01 17:19 <Ubit> only did one
2016-09-01 17:19 <Ubit> 01a
2016-09-01 17:20 <Ubit> think things was quads only
2016-09-01 17:20 <Ubit> on the model
2016-09-01 17:20 <djphil> and when you import you use atb 2 step 1 ?
2016-09-01 17:20 <djphil> is the first time i triangulate in blender
2016-09-01 17:20 <Ubit> selected high lod for physics only
2016-09-01 17:20 <djphil> i triangulate only at blender export ...
2016-09-01 17:21 <djphil> (in the past)
2016-09-01 17:21 <Ubit> now ideia how quads work elsewhere
2016-09-01 17:21 <Ubit> its fine now no ?
2016-09-01 17:21 <djphil> ha ok you import with "high lod", not with lod from file ...
2016-09-01 17:21 <djphil> it seam yes
2016-09-01 17:22 <Ubit> well its the same since i used 01a
2016-09-01 17:22 <djphil> but triangulate the mesh in blender is not 100% best
2016-09-01 17:22 <Ubit> but sl meshs are triang mesh
2016-09-01 17:22 <Ubit> not quads
2016-09-01 17:22 <djphil> you can't turn the mesh to mesh type "Prim" ...
2016-09-01 17:22 <djphil> only convex hull now ...
2016-09-01 17:23 <djphil> yes SL mesh is tri
2016-09-01 17:23 <Ubit> look
2016-09-01 17:23 <Ubit> its prim now
2016-09-01 17:23 <djphil> you can check a export option in blender to do quad to try
2016-09-01 17:23 <djphil> not directly on mesh inside blender ...
2016-09-01 17:23 <Ubit> well i don't know blender
2016-09-01 17:23 <Ubit> did what i could :)
2016-09-01 17:24 <djphil> i thing viewer do triangle also
2016-09-01 17:24 <djphil> if it found quads
2016-09-01 17:24 <Ubit> why so many tris?
2016-09-01 17:24 <Ubit> this top is only 2
2016-09-01 17:24 <djphil> the the render preview something
2016-09-01 17:24 <Ubit> sides also
2016-09-01 17:24 <Ubit> well this is a basic prim
2016-09-01 17:25 <djphil> 01a have more
2016-09-01 17:25 <Ubit> why ?
2016-09-01 17:25 <djphil> yes very basic
2016-09-01 17:25 <Ubit> this is not basic
2016-09-01 17:25 <djphil> to try, to test, i add more
2016-09-01 17:25 <Ubit> all sides can have just 2 tru
2016-09-01 17:25 <djphil> to try improve detection ...
2016-09-01 17:25 <Ubit> ahh ok
2016-09-01 17:25 <djphil> just tets i made
2016-09-01 17:26 <djphil> yes can have only 2
2016-09-01 17:26 <djphil> allway a try create low low low poly
2016-09-01 17:26 <Ubit> see the prim ?
2016-09-01 17:26 <djphil> yes
2016-09-01 17:26 <Ubit> this prim has 2 tri per face
2016-09-01 17:27 <djphil> yes
2016-09-01 17:27 <Ubit> you rlow poly has a lot of polys :)
2016-09-01 17:27 <djphil> but try fill texture proprely on the inclined face
2016-09-01 17:28 <djphil> with text logo
2016-09-01 17:28 <djphil> and get good straight letters
2016-09-01 17:28 <Ubit> gets wronf?
2016-09-01 17:28 <Ubit> hmm ok
2016-09-01 17:28 <djphil> that another problem ...
2016-09-01 17:28 <Ubit> possible you need yr UVs
2016-09-01 17:28 <djphil> yep
2016-09-01 17:28 <djphil> that exacly why i do this mesh
2016-09-01 17:29 <Ubit> ok
2016-09-01 17:29 <Ubit> well
2016-09-01 17:29 <Ubit> use  triangles not quads :)
2016-09-01 17:29 <Ubit> that prim works fine on bullet ?
2016-09-01 17:30 <Ubit> never mind leave it there ill test on bullet :)
2016-09-01 17:30 <djphil> i will try some tests with triangulate mesh inside blender directly
2016-09-01 17:30 <djphil> not wehn i export only, but inside blender immediatly
2016-09-01 17:31 <Ubit> just create things directly with tris
2016-09-01 17:31 <Ubit> to avoid the automatic thing
2016-09-01 17:31 <djphil> with bulllet don't remember exacly but it seam to have feweer problems.
2016-09-01 17:32 <djphil> yes i can create with try but isn't recommanded
2016-09-01 17:32 <djphil> Nowhere is recommended ...
2016-09-01 17:32 <djphil> just now, for opensim ...
2016-09-01 17:33 <djphil> (no tested in SL yet)
2016-09-01 17:33 <Ubit> sl also uses tris
2016-09-01 17:33 <djphil> yes, i'm ok for that
2016-09-01 17:33 <Ubit> funny viewer does display fine
2016-09-01 17:33 <Ubit> even the physics part
2016-09-01 17:33 <djphil> blender have a special check box to convert tri to quad
2016-09-01 17:34 <Ubit> hmm mb there is something in the mesh format we don't see
2016-09-01 17:34 <djphil> really i don't know
2016-09-01 17:35 <Ubit> well for opensim mk sure you have tris
2016-09-01 17:35 <djphil> yes, i'm
2016-09-01 17:39 <djphil> Ubit, i open 01 in blender
2016-09-01 17:40 <djphil> i have triangulate, recalculate normals and remove doubles
2016-09-01 17:40 <djphil> now for export
2016-09-01 17:40 <Ubit> object more
2016-09-01 17:40 <Ubit> select
2016-09-01 17:40 <Ubit> file export collada...  etc
2016-09-01 17:40 <djphil> you have check "Triangulate" at the bottom or not ?
2016-09-01 17:41 <Ubit> but you should talk with someone good in blender
2016-09-01 17:41 <Ubit> if you only have triangles guess not :)
2016-09-01 17:41 <djphil> normally, i'm ...
2016-09-01 17:41 <Ubit> well possible that could work with quads
2016-09-01 17:41 <djphil> all you say above i know
2016-09-01 17:42 <Ubit> didn't look that option :)
2016-09-01 17:42 <djphil> but i triangulate when i export
2016-09-01 17:42 <djphil> not when i work
2016-09-01 17:42 <djphil> that the only difference ...
2016-09-01 17:42 <Ubit> well you should work with tris
2016-09-01 17:42 <Ubit> optimization is diferent
2016-09-01 17:42 <djphil> i never see nowere is recommendede working a mesh with tri
2016-09-01 17:43 <djphil> all poeple recommand working in quad
2016-09-01 17:43 <djphil> and export as tri for opensim
2016-09-01 17:43 <djphil> or leave viewer create tru when you import
2016-09-01 17:43 <djphil> tri*
2016-09-01 17:43 <Ubit> well if you did that you seen the result :)
2016-09-01 17:43 <djphil> hmmm, yes :s
2016-09-01 17:44 <djphil> that with ubODE only ...
2016-09-01 17:44 <Ubit> don't know what failed.. but something failed :)
2016-09-01 17:44 <djphil> yes, i thing that also
2016-09-01 17:44 <Ubit> i will test later with bullet
2016-09-01 17:44 <djphil> think*
2016-09-01 17:45 <djphil> ok, ty vm interessing to this "problem"
2016-09-01 17:45 <djphil> not sure i'm wrong with blender ...
2016-09-01 17:46 <Ubit> there is someone that shows up on #osgrid that made a few videos on blender for opensim
2016-09-01 17:46 <Ubit> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC18tDPAwpDsfK0tGPlBSUJQ
2016-09-01 17:47 <djphil> you know, watch any video tutorial blender mesh opensim / sl ... still you'll see working quad and tri ... except for export Sl avatar that is rotten mesh
2016-09-01 17:48 <djphil> on the channel you send to me
2016-09-01 17:48 <djphil> i see it work with quad ...
2016-09-01 17:48 <djphil> and too with try ...
2016-09-01 17:50 <djphil> maybe this is option "recalculate normal" is the solution
2016-09-01 17:50 <djphil> I will test ...
2016-09-01 17:51 <djphil> thank you for your attention :)
2016-09-01 17:52 <djphil> wb
2016-09-01 17:52 <Ubit> ok
2016-09-01 17:53 <Ubit> this last one is from quads with opensim preset
2016-09-01 17:53 <djphil> kk
2016-09-01 17:54 <Ubit> mb you forgot somthing
2016-09-01 17:55 <djphil> for the first test i do exactly what you say
2016-09-01 17:55 <djphil> and it work nicely
2016-09-01 17:55 <Ubit> ik
2016-09-01 17:55 <Ubit> but quads also work
2016-09-01 17:55 <djphil> i'm sure yes
2016-09-01 17:55 <djphil> work with tri isn't possible lol
2016-09-01 17:56 <Ubit> but you need to use the sl + opensim on collada export
2016-09-01 17:56 <djphil> yes i use that
2016-09-01 17:56 <Ubit> see another one from your quads also fine
2016-09-01 17:56 <djphil> and i check "Triangulete" just below
2016-09-01 17:57 <Ubit> thats part of the preset already
2016-09-01 17:58 <Ubit> odd im having lag on my own region :)
2016-09-01 17:58 <djphil> Hmmm maybee bad mesh lol
2016-09-01 17:59 <Ubit> well conclusion i did well closing the mantis
2016-09-01 17:59 <Ubit> its not a ubode issue :p
2016-09-01 18:01 <Ubit> yr mic is on
2016-09-01 18:01 <djphil> oops
2016-09-01 18:14 <djphil> maybee found something ...
2016-09-01 18:15 <djphil> I just did not use "Analysis" on tab 2
2016-09-01 18:15 <djphil> "Analise"*
2016-09-01 18:15 <Ubit> i told u not to
2016-09-01 18:16 <djphil> now seam working with the original (no modified to tri)
2016-09-01 18:16 <djphil> yes you told me that above
2016-09-01 18:16 <Ubit> using step2 ?
2016-09-01 18:16 <djphil> only for LOD
2016-09-01 18:16 <djphil> on High
2016-09-01 18:16 <djphil> no tesed from file yet
2016-09-01 18:17 <djphil> tested*
2016-09-01 18:19 <djphil> some Bullet tests are requiered now :)
2016-09-01 18:19 <Ubit> mb it works
2016-09-01 18:19 <djphil> i thing yes
2016-09-01 18:19 <Ubit> bc it rebuilds convex hulls
2016-09-01 18:19 <djphil> never have this problem before
2016-09-01 18:19 <djphil> befor ubODE i mean ...
2016-09-01 18:20 <Ubit> well it did work fine even in quads in blender if exporting with sl + opensim presets
2016-09-01 18:20 <djphil> curious to see what happens now if I turn my area bulletsim with imported mesh with ubODE
2016-09-01 18:21 <Ubit> mesh upload does not depend on physics
2016-09-01 18:21 <djphil> i see no problem with blender
2016-09-01 18:21 <Ubit> they use it later on rez the prims
2016-09-01 18:21 <djphil> but I remember something, recalculate normals
2016-09-01 18:22 <djphil> i forgot to do that
2016-09-01 18:22 <Ubit> yes that is usefull sometimes
2016-09-01 18:22 <djphil> and don't touch the "Analyse" button lol
2016-09-01 18:22 <Ubit> ( and does fail on some models
2016-09-01 18:22 <djphil> yes, i can understand why
2016-09-01 18:23 <djphil> really tyvm Ubit :)
2016-09-01 18:23 <Ubit> but i think if you work with tris directly you can optimize a bit better
2016-09-01 18:23 <djphil> Hmmm
2016-09-01 18:23 <djphil> don't say me that !
2016-09-01 18:24 <Ubit> well a quad always has 2 tris
2016-09-01 18:24 <djphil> i see the original dae is 8ko and the reworked with tri is 13Ko
2016-09-01 18:24 <Ubit> in come corners etc   one mb in excess
2016-09-01 18:24 <djphil> 5Ko difference ...
2016-09-01 18:24 <Ubit> yeap 1 quad == 2 tris
2016-09-01 18:25 <djphil> :)
2016-09-01 18:26 <djphil> see vehicles with +30Mb or sometimes avatars scare me
2016-09-01 18:26 <djphil> and my bandwich
2016-09-01 18:50 <osmantis> Bug #7870:04 Can't buy currency or buy land from other people! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7870 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-01 19:23 <osmantis> Bug #8003:04 [OS FUNCTION IMPROVEMENT REQUEST] osForceCreateLink work slowly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8003 ): Le bogue suivant a été défini comme DOUBLON du bogue 0007871.
2016-09-01 19:23 <osmantis> Bug #7871:04 [SCRIPT] osForceCreateLink delay improvement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7871 ): Le bogue 0008003 a été défini comme DOUBLON du bogue suivant.
2016-09-01 19:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #4980 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-09-01 19:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Xengine only do GC.Collect if logins disabled
2016-09-01 20:03 <djphil> Only for info Ubit
2016-09-01 20:03 <djphil> I continued import mesh tests here but this time with BulletSim
2016-09-01 20:03 <djphil> and I have no problems with using the button "Analyze" from the viewer.
2016-09-01 20:03 <djphil> I can use or not "analysis" ... without problem. The result is identiques and the area detection work perfectly
2016-09-01 20:03 <djphil> Now I better understand the problem ... it is specific to ubODE. With ubODE it apparently should never use "Analysize"
2016-09-01 20:03 <djphil> That I could not guess ...
2016-09-01 20:04 <Ubit> it does survive in some cases
2016-09-01 20:04 <Ubit> but i always said not to use 
2016-09-01 20:04 <Ubit> even for bullet
2016-09-01 20:04 <Ubit> bc viewers may mess up meshs
2016-09-01 20:05 <Ubit> opensim viewers don't use havoc to do that, but another software
2016-09-01 20:06 <djphil> Why "Analyse" button is clickable then ...
2016-09-01 20:06 <Ubit> bc it may work in most cases
2016-09-01 20:06 <djphil> heh!
2016-09-01 20:07 <Ubit> but i also uploaded one of yrs and got same results not using analise
2016-09-01 20:07 <djphil> i never read somwhere "Don't use Analyse button on Opensim"
2016-09-01 20:07 <Ubit> bullet may work bc it always creates convex hulls 
2016-09-01 20:07 <djphil> just you say me in IRC
2016-09-01 20:07 <Ubit> also on mantis.. emails
2016-09-01 20:08 <djphil> oki ...
2016-09-01 20:08 <djphil> for sure now i know and don't forget lol
2016-09-01 20:08 <Ubit> it does try to process and create something
2016-09-01 20:09 <Ubit> but ode doesn't have convex hulls.. converts them to meshs
2016-09-01 20:09 <Ubit> and what analise does is split a mesh in several convex hulls
2016-09-01 20:09 <Ubit> seem it close windows for example
2016-09-01 20:10 <djphil> yep i have probelm sometimes with that lol
2016-09-01 20:10 <djphil> (not with bullet but with ubOde i mean)
2016-09-01 20:11 <djphil> ubode broken a lot of house i made in the past
2016-09-01 20:11 <djphil> because i always use "Analyse" in the past
2016-09-01 20:11 <djphil> I have said in the past :p
2016-09-01 20:12 <djphil> grrrr
2016-09-01 20:14 <djphil> when the mesh is proprely importend, we can swith for ode to bullet without problem ?
2016-09-01 20:15 <Ubit> thats the idea
2016-09-01 20:15 <djphil> and vise versa also ...
2016-09-01 20:15 <djphil> oki cool
2016-09-01 20:15 <Ubit> mesh assets are the same
2016-09-01 20:16 <djphil> ok
2016-09-01 20:16 <Ubit> each engine tries to read it and use
2016-09-01 20:16 <Ubit> no action on upload etc
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2016-09-01 22:05 <osmantis> Bug #8004:04 Scripts sometimes take a long time to load on region cross/teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8004 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-01 22:11 <osmantis> Bug #8004:04 Scripts sometimes take a long time to load on region cross/teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8004 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-01 22:17 <osmantis> Bug #8004:04 Scripts sometimes take a long time to load on region cross/teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8004 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-01 22:26 <osmantis> Bug #8015:04 Bulk Upload Failure Rate Insane (BASHES HEAD) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8015 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-02 09:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #4981 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-09-02 09:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ConvexDecomposition fix some incorrect convexhull mesh generation for ubOde
2016-09-02 10:08 <osmantis> Bug #8016:04 Editing position of a prim in one dimension makes a step in other dimensions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8016 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-09-02 10:51 <osmantis> Bug #8016:04 Editing position of a prim in one dimension makes a step in other dimensions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8016 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-02 10:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #4982 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-09-02 11:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ConvexDecomposition remove a copy of vertices not needed for ubOde
2016-09-02 11:24 <osmantis> Bug #8016:04 Editing position of a prim in one dimension makes a step in other dimensions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8016 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-02 11:47 <osmantis> Bug #7979:04 llSetPrimitiveParams doesn't use vectors like specified (PRIM_TYPE) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7979 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2016-09-03 06:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4983: FAILURE in 5 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4983/
2016-09-03 06:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: <0,0,0,0> is not a rotation
2016-09-03 06:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #4984 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4982 19 hr ago)
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2016-09-03 06:34 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-09-03 06:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4984: FIXED in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4984/
2016-09-03 06:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: tests making sure evering thing is coerently wrong..
2016-09-03 06:51 <Ubit> BIG FLOOD
2016-09-03 09:11 <djphil> This one http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=ea686058c9e550a1637118535d3491cb5f2022c9 improve mesh detection Ubit ?
2016-09-03 09:12 <djphil> It is the bug you found and you say to me yesterday ?
2016-09-03 09:13 <djphil> if is, hehe :)
2016-09-03 10:55 <osmantis> Bug #8017:04 llGetWallclock() returns system time instead of PST/PDT 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8017 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2016-09-03 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #8017:04 llGetWallclock() returns system time instead of PST/PDT 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8017 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-09-04 03:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #4985 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-09-04 03:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4985: SUCCESS in 6 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4985/
2016-09-04 03:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make sure materials are cached. Split POST and PUT handlers for better readability
2016-09-04 06:25 <osmantis> Bug #3884:04 Sound triggered by "Play in World" button or by a gesture doesn't play 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3884 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-04 06:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #4986 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-09-04 06:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: try to reduce the amount of assets created editing materials
2016-09-04 06:44 <osmantis> Bug #3884:04 Sound triggered by "Play in World" button or by a gesture doesn't play 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3884 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-04 06:50 <osmantis> Bug #8018:04 Strange error in logfile 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8018 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-09-04 07:10 <osmantis> Bug #8018:04 Strange error in logfile 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8018 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-09-04 07:27 <osmantis> Bug #3884:04 Sound triggered by "Play in World" button or by a gesture doesn't play 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3884 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-04 07:38 <osmantis> Bug #3884:04 Sound triggered by "Play in World" button or by a gesture doesn't play 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3884 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-04 07:41 <osmantis> Bug #3884:04 Sound triggered by "Play in World" button or by a gesture doesn't play 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3884 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-04 08:00 <osmantis> Bug #8017:04 llGetWallclock() returns system time instead of PST/PDT 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8017 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-09-04 08:07 <osmantis> Bug #3884:04 Sound triggered by "Play in World" button or by a gesture doesn't play 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3884 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-04 08:15 <osmantis> Bug #3884:04 Sound triggered by "Play in World" button or by a gesture doesn't play 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3884 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-04 08:20 <osmantis> Bug #3884:04 Sound triggered by "Play in World" button or by a gesture doesn't play 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3884 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-09-04 09:23 <osmantis> Bug #3884:04 Sound triggered by "Play in World" button or by a gesture doesn't play 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3884 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-04 09:30 <osmantis> Bug #3884:04 Sound triggered by "Play in World" button or by a gesture doesn't play 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3884 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-04 09:46 <osmantis> Bug #8019:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp() is producing RLVa assertion failure 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8019 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-09-04 10:13 <osmantis> Bug #3884:04 Sound triggered by "Play in World" button or by a gesture doesn't play 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3884 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-09-04 23:26 <osmantis> Bug #8020:04 [BASE HTTP SERVER] HandleRequest threw 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8020 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-09-05 06:12 <osmantis> Bug #3884:04 Sound triggered by "Play in World" button or by a gesture doesn't play 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3884 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-05 06:24 <osmantis> Bug #3884:04 Sound triggered by "Play in World" button or by a gesture doesn't play 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3884 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-09-05 07:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #4987 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-09-05 07:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4987: SUCCESS in 6 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4987/
2016-09-05 07:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Fix some wrong handling of booleans for SeeAVs, AnyAVSounds and GroupAVSounds fields in sqlite3-database
2016-09-05 11:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #4988 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-09-05 11:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: suspend httpdos on mapimge, fix image not been updated after first Get till restart
2016-09-05 12:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #4989 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-09-05 12:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix console comand Show Neighbours and enable it
2016-09-05 13:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #4990 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-05 13:27 <Ubit> err and vice-versa
2016-09-05 13:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4990: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4990/
2016-09-05 13:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add console comand show regionsinview  lists the regions that can be seen from a region so may also get child agents from it
2016-09-05 13:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #4991 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-09-05 13:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: in show regionsinview display the name of the config option (MaxRegionViewDistance) that controls the regions View range
2016-09-05 15:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #4992 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-09-05 15:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubMeshmerizer: add a few more try{} guards in file operations, etc
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2016-09-06 18:13 <Plugh> nebaon, et al: meeting time in osgrid
2016-09-06 19:15 <nebadon> sorry Plugh, i just realized the time
2016-09-06 19:15 <nebadon> had meetings all morning and was recording videos of models and time just got away from me
2016-09-06 19:15 <Plugh> np. The meeting is still going.
2016-09-06 19:16 <Plugh> Time got away from me this morning. I was supposed to be working on a serial output routine that is *this close* to working.
2016-09-06 19:16 <Plugh> I just need to get an output from a microcontroller to stay high when not outputting serial data. It should be dead easy but it isn't working and I'm not sure why.
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2016-09-07 11:22 <osmantis> Bug #8021:04 show regions to show regionsview 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8021 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-09-07 11:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #4993 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-07 11:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4993: SUCCESS in 6 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4993/
2016-09-07 11:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8021: fix show regionsinview help text
2016-09-07 14:05 <gamucf> Hi....my work with the MOSES group has largely come to an end for now.  However, I am considering continuing to do some of my own work in OpenSim.  What is the best process for sending in potential updates to be merged?  Also, how can I maximize the possibility that they would indeed be merged in?  Thanks!
2016-09-07 14:20 <JohnnyQ> Hello folks. Got a problem with 0.9.0
2016-09-07 14:21 <JohnnyQ> running 2 vars and a robust. but it appears that after some point, uploaded assets fail to rez after being uploaded. Now, anything uploaded prior to that point will rez fine. it happens on one region out of the two.
2016-09-07 14:22 <JohnnyQ> earlier this week it was the other way around, assets would not rez on the second, but would on the first.
2016-09-07 14:23 <JohnnyQ> we cleared the region database for the second region and that resolved things, but we can't keep doing that.
2016-09-07 15:01 <Ubit> gamucf we accept small patchs on manits
2016-09-07 15:01 <Ubit> mantis
2016-09-07 15:01 <Ubit> hmm there are rules.. hmm somewhere :)
2016-09-07 15:02 <Ubit> jonnhy what is the fail can you pinpoint?
2016-09-07 15:03 <Ubit> assets get uploaded to region.. then to asset service?
2016-09-07 15:03 <JohnnyQ> I can't be sure. I am not 100% sure how to begin. I havent seen anything in the console to indicate an issue. 
2016-09-07 15:03 <JohnnyQ> though I am assuming the absence of something specific might signify a problem
2016-09-07 15:03 <Ubit> did they got into asssets service?
2016-09-07 15:05 <JohnnyQ> I believe so, we are using fsassets and the object appears in inventory like it should, but it is neither viewable nor editable in world after upload.
2016-09-07 15:05 <Ubit> it shouild be on the region where you uploaded at least
2016-09-07 15:05 <JohnnyQ> this is primarily with textures on existing objects in world
2016-09-07 15:07 <Ubit> hard to tell :(
2016-09-07 15:07 <JohnnyQ> so,in the console
2016-09-07 15:07 <JohnnyQ> there should be some indication in both the region and robust that an asset was uploaded
2016-09-07 15:08 <JohnnyQ> ?
2016-09-07 15:09 <JohnnyQ> I'm pretty quick to pick things up, but I am still very new to troubleshooting.
2016-09-07 15:16 <JohnnyQ> What should be seen when an asset is uploaded?
2016-09-07 15:27 <Ubit> guess no logs on that
2016-09-07 15:29 <JohnnyQ> I just noticed
2016-09-07 15:29 <JohnnyQ> when I disable HTTP textures, things come in just fine.
2016-09-07 15:29 <Ubit> but id you delete the region data, then it should be on assets servecie
2016-09-07 15:29 <JohnnyQ> in the viewer.
2016-09-07 15:29 <Ubit> Oh ?
2016-09-07 15:30 <JohnnyQ> yeah, at some point last night I had read something about UDP causing issues with object inventory.
2016-09-07 15:30 <JohnnyQ> I disabled the http textures to test it just a couple moments ago
2016-09-07 15:30 <JohnnyQ> it made everything load faster
2016-09-07 15:30 <Ubit> don't know about that udp issue
2016-09-07 15:31 <Ubit> mb somethin wrong on yr conf for http 
2016-09-07 15:32 <JohnnyQ> I'm looking into it more, but apparently it's related I think.
2016-09-07 15:43 <gamucf> Ubit what is the average (roughly) time between mantis submission and acceptance/merging?
2016-09-07 15:44 <Ubit> you ask hard questions :)
2016-09-07 15:44 <Ubit> have anything in mind ?
2016-09-07 18:25 <JohnnyQ> Heya Plugh, do you have a mirror for your OpenSim Forge Repositories?
2016-09-07 18:25 <Plugh> no
2016-09-07 18:26 <Plugh> If the forge repos are mirrored then yes, but I don't have anything set up as a mirror.
2016-09-07 18:27 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: Is there a problem?
2016-09-07 18:28 <JohnnyQ> nothing specifically. but after we got it working, we lost everything on our last host. Long story. It came with sql files for each database and I don't have those now.
2016-09-07 18:30 <Plugh> That's why it is important to back up everything you can.
2016-09-07 18:31 <Plugh> Sorry to hear about the loss.
2016-09-07 18:35 <nebadon> Melanie_ does have a backup of forge
2016-09-07 18:35 <nebadon> its just not been restored yet, so it will be back eventually
2016-09-07 18:35 <Plugh> Oh, I see. That's the current problem.
2016-09-07 18:36 <JohnnyQ> gotcha
2016-09-07 18:36 <Plugh> I do have a copy of the latest source on my own machine.
2016-09-07 18:36 <nebadon> it would be good to have an archive of everything on github
2016-09-07 18:36 <JohnnyQ> would it be too much trouble to request copies? we are going to keep off site backups of things now that were doing hosting.
2016-09-07 18:37 <nebadon> JohnnyQ i would suggest that you archive any source you need on github
2016-09-07 18:37 <nebadon> or Bitbucket
2016-09-07 18:37 <nebadon> github is a bit easier to use I think
2016-09-07 18:37 <JohnnyQ> noted, we do have a bitbucket account, so we should be able to manage using git cli
2016-09-07 18:37 <Plugh> Or set things up on a local machine then upload to the live site.
2016-09-07 18:38 <Plugh> 
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2016-09-07 18:38 <Plugh> My ATtiny is now spitting out "Hello, world!" once per second via the built-in USI peripheral set up to act as a UART.
2016-09-07 18:39 <nebadon> have you looked at fuchsia at all Plugh?
2016-09-07 18:39 <Plugh> Now I can work on the serial receive routines and spit out what I receive.
2016-09-07 18:39 <Plugh> nebadon: Don't think so. What is it?
2016-09-07 18:40 <nebadon> its a low level OS for IoT devices 
2016-09-07 18:41 <JohnnyQ> nice
2016-09-07 18:41 <JohnnyQ> if you do manage to get repos up on github, I'll be watching.
2016-09-07 18:41 <nebadon> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-PowerEdge-R710-Google-Server-2x-2-66GHz-QC-X5550-24GB-PERC-6-i-No-HDD-BZ-/381609067986?hash=item58d9ac45d2:g:vNAAAOSw2GlXGmjv
2016-09-07 18:43 <Plugh> nebadon: Interesting device
2016-09-07 18:45 <nebadon> yea they are targeting hardware like raspberry pi
2016-09-07 18:45 <nebadon> i think rpi3 will be one of the first images they release infact
2016-09-07 18:46 <Plugh> nebadon: ah, ok. I just read a page about fuschia. Too big for my current project but useful to know something about it.
2016-09-07 18:46 <nebadon> yea its still very new
2016-09-07 18:46 <nebadon> they have a channel here on freenoce
2016-09-07 18:46 <nebadon> #fuchsia
2016-09-07 18:46 <Plugh> well... my current project uses an ATtiny45 that only has 4K flash and 256 bytes of RAM. :)
2016-09-07 18:47 <nebadon> ah cool
2016-09-07 18:48 <Plugh> Once I get it receiving serial data via the USI I will be mostly done enough code to have a working prototype.
2016-09-07 18:49 <Plugh> nebadon: If Google is coming up with fuschia, what will that mean for Android?
2016-09-07 18:50 <nebadon> well i think its more geared towards IoT stuff
2016-09-07 18:50 <Plugh> oh, backups. I better make sure I have a full backup of my current software just in case I break anything while working on the receive routines.
2016-09-07 18:51 <Plugh> I've been meaning to look up the definition of IoT. It is the latest buzzword and I think it is losing some of its original meaning.
2016-09-07 18:51 <Plugh> Kind of like "the cloud", or "cloud computing" 
2016-09-07 18:57 <nebadon> yea totally
2016-09-07 18:57 <nebadon> i actually hate the term Internet of Things
2016-09-07 18:57 <nebadon> its a stupid term
2016-09-07 19:02 <Plugh> 
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2016-09-07 19:04 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: How can I pass the files to you?
2016-09-07 19:05 <JohnnyQ> Your preferred file host, or you can email me at alec@stargazer-genesis.com
2016-09-07 19:07 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: http://expirebox.com/download/a956dfaea2556c7612feb04b92419224.html
2016-09-07 19:08 <Plugh> I thought there might be some temporary file storage place on the net. :)
2016-09-07 19:09 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: Just note that there might be a few files that are part of some other related things I'm working on in that set of files.
2016-09-07 19:10 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: The search module contains one change that hasn't been commited or pushed.
2016-09-07 19:10 <JohnnyQ> ok
2016-09-07 19:11 <JohnnyQ> I'll make sure I have these up on our own private repositories. I'll leave public posting to you, at your leisure.
2016-09-07 19:11 <Plugh> hm... if forge is down I'm better off not commiting it or I will probably forget to push it once forge is backup.
2016-09-07 19:11 <Plugh> ok
2016-09-07 19:11 <JohnnyQ> Thank you, it's been immensely helpful.
2016-09-07 19:12 <JohnnyQ> what was the commit?
2016-09-07 19:12 <JohnnyQ> I did manage to work around an issue with PHP 5.7
2016-09-07 19:12 <JohnnyQ> something about resending the header?
2016-09-07 19:12 <Plugh> yw
2016-09-07 19:12 <JohnnyQ> it was at the bottom of the query.php file
2016-09-07 19:12 <Plugh> I have a change in RemoveRegion(). It will remove the event handler then remove the scene.
2016-09-07 19:14 <JohnnyQ> a conditional that would error out at '$method = $_SERVER['REQUEST_METHOD'];'
2016-09-07 19:14 <JohnnyQ> or before that anyhow.
2016-09-07 19:14 <Plugh> Profile has an uncommited change to remove the event handler in RemoveRegion.
2016-09-07 19:14 <JohnnyQ> ok
2016-09-07 19:14 <JohnnyQ> I'll recompile and update.
2016-09-07 19:15 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: There is no commit. The changes in RemoveRegion() in both modules has not been commited. It is just a work in progress.
2016-09-07 19:15 <JohnnyQ> ahhh, ok
2016-09-07 19:16 <Plugh> It won't really matter in most cases. It is just making sure the module is properly cleaning up on region shutdown.
2016-09-07 19:17 <JohnnyQ> Here's a modification I made to the query.php that was causing issues with PHP 5.7, I think.
2016-09-07 19:17 <JohnnyQ> https://www.diffchecker.com/fHBoGKxj
2016-09-07 19:17 <JohnnyQ> for some reason it would error at the $method = $_SERVER line
2016-09-07 19:18 <JohnnyQ> on our main grid, I removed that line and the conditional, on all the other grids I've been working on, I commented it out.
2016-09-07 19:19 <JohnnyQ> I followed the steps we went through to test it in times past and php.exe always got hung up there at that line. At least in this most recent occasion.
2016-09-07 19:21 <Plugh> get contents of php://input was the preferred method of getting data in recent versions of PHP. Has that changed again with 5.7?
2016-09-07 19:22 <JohnnyQ> I have no idea, but after changing that what you see, everything works fine.
2016-09-07 19:22 <Plugh> I've only used the code in PHP 5.3 and 5.5
2016-09-07 19:22 <Plugh> What message(s) did you get when using that line?
2016-09-07 19:23 <JohnnyQ> let me get the error once more, I still have the unaltered php on the server.
2016-09-07 19:23 <Plugh> You have it again in what I sent. :)
2016-09-07 19:24 <JohnnyQ> Notice: Undefined index: REQUEST_METHOD in C:\Users\root\Downloads\webfiles\quer y.php on line 597 PHP Warning:  Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output  started at C:\Users\root\Downloads\webfiles\query.php:11) in C:\Users\root\Down loads\webfiles\query.php on line 605  Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output star ted at C:\Users\root\Downloads\webfiles\query.php:1
2016-09-07 19:25 <Plugh> um... headers already sent? Hm... that is odd.
2016-09-07 19:25 <JohnnyQ> So I tried to define the $method variable at the head of the file, that didn't help
2016-09-07 19:27 <Plugh> Um... regarding HTTP_RAW_POST_DATA -> WarningThis feature was DEPRECATED in PHP 5.6.0, and REMOVED as of PHP 7.0.0.
2016-09-07 19:27 <JohnnyQ> so, it's been deprecated
2016-09-07 19:28 <JohnnyQ> I do love breaking things.
2016-09-07 19:28 <Plugh> cannot mod headers means some other text has already been sent to the browser.
2016-09-07 19:29 <JohnnyQ> likely by the viewer
2016-09-07 19:29 <Plugh> Is that in search or profile module?
2016-09-07 19:30 <Plugh> hm... query.php would be search.
2016-09-07 19:30 <JohnnyQ> search, yes
2016-09-07 19:30 <Plugh> I don't have that line in my code.
2016-09-07 19:31 <Plugh> At the bottom of query.php I only have -> $request_xml = file_get_contents("php://input");
2016-09-07 19:31 <Plugh> xmlrpc_server_call_method($xmlrpc_server, $request_xml, '');
2016-09-07 19:31 <Plugh> and one other call after that.
2016-09-07 19:32 <Plugh> You must have added that code to check how the PHP code is being accessed.
2016-09-07 19:35 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: PHP docs say -> You may or may not find any of the following elements in $_SERVER.
2016-09-07 19:35 <Plugh> The list includes REQUEST_METHOD
2016-09-07 19:38 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: I think you may have some other code in the version of the file you are using that may be affecting that check later in the file.
2016-09-07 19:41 <Plugh> JohnnyQ: You may get that error if you try running the PHP file from the command line instead of via a website access.
2016-09-07 19:41 <Plugh> make that "you will"
2016-09-07 20:15 <JohnnyQ> ok, so false error then
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2016-09-07 23:51 <osmantis> Bug #8020:04 [BASE HTTP SERVER] HandleRequest threw 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8020 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-09-08 00:50 <djphil__> Plugh : Hello, i test os profile with php7
2016-09-08 00:50 <djphil__> Inworld, in the profil, classfields tab no working proprely
2016-09-08 00:51 <djphil__> I can save a classfield, the database "classifield is populated
2016-09-08 00:52 <djphil__> but i can"'t see the the classifield pick and i can't edit a existing classifield
2016-09-08 00:52 <djphil__> tested with Firestorm and Singularity
2016-09-08 02:33 <Melanie_> djphil__: php7 deprecates a lot of things and removes the mysql extension needed by osprofile
2016-09-08 02:33 <Melanie_> the php parts haven't really been mainteined since the days of php4
2016-09-08 02:33 <Melanie_> it requires the php parts for a lof of things to be redone using mysqli or pdo
2016-09-08 02:34 <Melanie_> work no one has undertaken so far
2016-09-08 02:39 <djphil__> yes, i made changes
2016-09-08 02:39 <djphil__> i convert all files using mysql to mysqli
2016-09-08 02:39 <djphil__> register work fine
2016-09-08 02:40 <djphil__> i'm working too on search to get it work with php 7
2016-09-08 02:40 <djphil__> work in progress
2016-09-08 02:43 <djphil__> just for info, profile.php full mysqli is available also in the opensim wiki.
2016-09-08 02:43 <djphil__> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Profile_based_on_mysqli
2016-09-08 02:44 <djphil__> on the php part in the wiki, the bottom is different
2016-09-08 02:45 <JohnnyQ> djphil_ where are you at with setting that up?
2016-09-08 02:46 <djphil__> and isn't the same plugh send above : http://expirebox.com/download/a956dfaea2556c7612feb04b92419224.html
2016-09-08 02:46 <djphil__> it work JohnnyQ
2016-09-08 02:46 <djphil__> but classifield no
2016-09-08 02:47 <JohnnyQ> mmmm, I have to test that yet. I can let you know when I get that going. I had it once, but that was lost.
2016-09-08 02:47 <JohnnyQ> I have it set up on three grids now, untested the classifieds though
2016-09-08 02:47 <JohnnyQ> correction
2016-09-08 02:48 <JohnnyQ> it does appear to be working on the latest setup i've done
2016-09-08 02:48 <JohnnyQ> I would have to log into the other two to test, but the latest one I set up does appear to be working.
2016-09-08 02:49 <JohnnyQ> I'm dealing with my own issue. Mesh objects fail to render now, and when edited the object highlight appears deformed.
2016-09-08 02:49 <djphil__> you use the database structure provided on the OS wiki ?
2016-09-08 02:50 <djphil__> it work here too, i can save one classifield
2016-09-08 02:50 <djphil__> but when i go back to classifields  tab, i see it but without picks
2016-09-08 02:50 <djphil__> and i can't edit to modify ...
2016-09-08 02:50 <djphil__> can you try taht please ?
2016-09-08 02:50 <JohnnyQ> no, I have a couple that came with the Profile and Search Source code
2016-09-08 02:51 <djphil__> search tests soon ... :p
2016-09-08 02:51 <JohnnyQ> I tested, made a change to the classified, it was immediately available
2016-09-08 02:52 <djphil__> ok, ccol
2016-09-08 02:52 <JohnnyQ> I am able to edit and search the edited classified
2016-09-08 02:52 <djphil__> cool*
2016-09-08 02:52 <djphil__> kk
2016-09-08 02:53 <djphil__> viewer is able to work with profile on port 8080 ?
2016-09-08 02:53 <djphil__> or only on port 80 ...
2016-09-08 02:54 <JohnnyQ> I believe that port 80 is the one we use.
2016-09-08 02:55 <JohnnyQ> make sure that your database is configured in three locations.
2016-09-08 02:55 <djphil__> 3 locatiçons ?
2016-09-08 02:55 <JohnnyQ> databaseinfo.php
2016-09-08 02:55 <Plugh> djphil__: You are using the search and profile which are PHP based?
2016-09-08 02:55 <djphil__> opensim.ini, gridcommon.ini and ?
2016-09-08 02:56 <djphil__> profile require search to work ?
2016-09-08 02:56 <JohnnyQ> profile_mysqli.php
2016-09-08 02:56 <djphil__> +1 JohnnyQ :)
2016-09-08 02:56 <JohnnyQ> and profihpledbinfo.p
2016-09-08 02:56 <djphil__> true
2016-09-08 02:56 <JohnnyQ> profiledbinfo.php
2016-09-08 02:57 <JohnnyQ> profiles does I believe, to work completely.
2016-09-08 02:57 <djphil__> yes Plugh, but search no set yet
2016-09-08 02:57 <JohnnyQ> at least if you want classifieds to be operational completely.
2016-09-08 02:58 <djphil__> maybee i need to set and get search working first then ...
2016-09-08 02:58 <Plugh> Search is needed to search for ads.
2016-09-08 02:58 <djphil__> but search PHP is mysql, not msqli yet
2016-09-08 02:59 <djphil__> i convert it ...
2016-09-08 02:59 <Plugh> Both are mysql. I haven't gotten around to converting them to mysqli. I've seen it partly done but I haven't seen anyone really do it properly.
2016-09-08 02:59 <djphil__> your "search" using mysqli ?
2016-09-08 02:59 <djphil__> i'm on PHP 7 Plugh
2016-09-08 02:59 <Plugh> yes, I saw that. 
2016-09-08 02:59 <Melanie_> mysqli is a dead end
2016-09-08 02:59 <Melanie_> you will be here to watch it be deprecated and removed
2016-09-08 03:00 <Melanie_> it's not a whole lot beter than mysql
2016-09-08 03:00 <Melanie_> pdo is the future
2016-09-08 03:00 <Plugh> PHP7 has deprecated mysqli?
2016-09-08 03:00 <djphil__> what mel ?
2016-09-08 03:00 <Melanie_> no but 8 may do so
2016-09-08 03:00 <djphil__> mysqli deprecied ???
2016-09-08 03:00 <Melanie_> mysqli doesn't address all security issues
2016-09-08 03:00 <Melanie_> and it is less portable
2016-09-08 03:01 <Melanie_> pdo will be the winner
2016-09-08 03:01 <Plugh> I can do the proper conversion to mysqli. I will have to research pdo as I've seen it in use but I'm not familiar with it to convert to pdo.
2016-09-08 03:01 <djphil__> yes, PDO is the best, i'm ok for that
2016-09-08 03:01 <djphil__> but don't know mysqli is deprecied ...
2016-09-08 03:01 <Melanie_> it isn't yet
2016-09-08 03:01 <Melanie_> i just say it will be
2016-09-08 03:02 <Plugh> yea, I know that mysql has gone in later PHP version so code has to be updated to mysqli.
2016-09-08 03:02 <Melanie_> thing is
2016-09-08 03:02 <djphil__> mysql is deprecied with PHP 7 but not mysqli
2016-09-08 03:02 <djphil__> agree with Plugh
2016-09-08 03:02 <Melanie_> mysqli is no beter tahn mysql
2016-09-08 03:02 <Plugh> Why is mysqli less portable than mysql since both run on PHP that runs on a wide range of platforms?
2016-09-08 03:02 <Melanie_> in most cases you can just insert the 'i'
2016-09-08 03:02 <djphil__> true
2016-09-08 03:02 <Melanie_> and code will run
2016-09-08 03:02 <djphil__> yes +/-
2016-09-08 03:03 <Plugh> mysqli lets you do parameter binding.
2016-09-08 03:03 <Melanie_> that doesn't address the inherent vulnerabilities that come from hand crafting query strings
2016-09-08 03:03 <djphil__> adding mysqli($con, ....
2016-09-08 03:03 <Melanie_> it LETS you do it
2016-09-08 03:03 <Melanie_> but it doesn't ENFORCE it
2016-09-08 03:03 <Melanie_> which is why it will be killed off, too
2016-09-08 03:03 <JohnnyQ> other than a few argument irregularities. I attempted prior and when some mysql functions only required one argument, mysqli requires 2 and others it's the other way around.
2016-09-08 03:04 <djphil__> maybee we can add a "sanityse" function Mel
2016-09-08 03:04 <Plugh> You can use myslqi in oop style so you don't need to keep passing a connection argument.
2016-09-08 03:04 <JohnnyQ> Plugh: right
2016-09-08 03:05 <Melanie_> i found one main issue with mysqli
2016-09-08 03:05 <Melanie_> i would call it a design flaw
2016-09-08 03:05 <JohnnyQ> I've adjusted a few php helper scripts to use that style.
2016-09-08 03:05 <Plugh> Melanie_: No code can really force a person to do things in a truly safe manner.
2016-09-08 03:05 <Melanie_> the issue with mysqli is that in order to bind parameters, the types must be known
2016-09-08 03:05 <Melanie_> that prevents one from writing a truuly flexible DBAL
2016-09-08 03:06 <Melanie_> pdo doesn't need to know the types
2016-09-08 03:06 <Melanie_> it gets them from the database
2016-09-08 03:07 <JohnnyQ> If I may, I am having a mesh issue and either my searching skills suck, or there isnt a lot out there for it. Perhaps I can get some thoughts
2016-09-08 03:07 <Melanie_> i found it easier to convert my webs from mysql to pdo
2016-09-08 03:07 <Plugh> Just different ways of doing the same thing. 
2016-09-08 03:07 <Melanie_> i use a very thin DBAL i wrote
2016-09-08 03:07 <Melanie_> and mysqli would not work with it
2016-09-08 03:07 <Melanie_> not in a safe way
2016-09-08 03:07 <Melanie_> i could hav used handcrafted query strings and mysqli_query
2016-09-08 03:07 <Melanie_> but i didn't want to
2016-09-08 03:08 <Melanie_> pdo is poetry in motion
2016-09-08 03:08 <Plugh> From what I saw of it in one helper file it does look interesting.
2016-09-08 03:09 <JohnnyQ> 
ACTION waves

2016-09-08 03:09 <Plugh> I have to go afk. Trying to finish watching a movie and my cat just came down and wants to play fetch.
2016-09-08 03:09 <djphil__> profile should also work with mysqli, although this is less secure.
2016-09-08 03:10 <Plugh> Both need to be converted to at least mysqli so they will work with php7
2016-09-08 03:10 <djphil__> true
2016-09-08 03:10 <Plugh> I've just been working on a project involving a microcontroller the last couple of weeks. I'm almost done with the first version of the code.
2016-09-08 03:11 <djphil__> I will continue to try to make it work
2016-09-08 03:11 <Plugh> I just got the second serial output routine working today. I just have to test the receive routine.
2016-09-08 03:11 <Melanie_> Plugh: don't use what they have on the internet
2016-09-08 03:11 <djphil__> the file provided on the wiki isn't the same you provide Plugh ...
2016-09-08 03:11 <Plugh> Melanie_: don't use what who has on the net?
2016-09-08 03:11 <Melanie_> you really need to do comms in an interrupt
2016-09-08 03:12 <Melanie_> and most of the comms examples are polled
2016-09-08 03:12 <Melanie_> so you want to set UDR0IE
2016-09-08 03:12 <Plugh> What I'm doing is interrupt driven.
2016-09-08 03:13 <Melanie_> and use the USI_vect
2016-09-08 03:13 <Melanie_> tiny 85, you said
2016-09-08 03:13 <Melanie_> so you have a universal USU peripheral
2016-09-08 03:13 <Melanie_> USI
2016-09-08 03:13 <Plugh> No. ATtiny45. I
2016-09-08 03:13 <Melanie_> ok
2016-09-08 03:13 <Plugh> -I
2016-09-08 03:13 <Melanie_> still USI
2016-09-08 03:14 <Melanie_> so it can be USART, SPI master/slave or I2C slave
2016-09-08 03:14 <Plugh> The code I'm using is based on App note 307
2016-09-08 03:15 <Melanie_> not conversant with them
2016-09-08 03:15 <Melanie_> as i usually do serial comms from just the register description
2016-09-08 03:16 <Plugh> It is a little more involved to do typical UART type serial I/O with the USI but not too much.
2016-09-08 03:16 <Melanie_> i usually use it for i2c
2016-09-08 03:16 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-09-08 03:17 <Melanie_> or SPI master to drive a LCD display
2016-09-08 03:17 <Plugh> I have to talk with two device that use serial I/O
2016-09-08 03:17 <Melanie_> you only have one usi
2016-09-08 03:18 <Plugh> That's right.
2016-09-08 03:19 <Plugh> I bit bang serial out to one device to issue commands after power up to send it some initialization commands. The USI then receives data from that device, processes it, then uses the USI to send data to a different device.
2016-09-08 03:25 <JohnnyQ> Hey guys, thanks for all the help, you've been great! :)
2016-09-08 03:26 <JohnnyQ> I'll find someone who will know whats going on.
2016-09-08 03:29 <JohnnyQ> Thanks for trying anyway.
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2016-09-08 11:38 <djphil__> Hi, about Barosonic Dwell-Module
2016-09-08 11:39 <djphil__> how fix this ? http://pastebin.com/WJ8HRRyx
2016-09-08 12:06 <Ubit> namespace OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModules ?
2016-09-08 12:07 <Ubit> hmm or
2016-09-08 12:07 <Ubit> using OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModules.SharedBase;
2016-09-08 12:37 <djphil__> here ?
2016-09-08 12:37 <djphil__> <Reference Include="OpenSim.Region.Physics.Manager" >
2016-09-08 12:37 <djphil__> and here : <Name>OpenSim.Region.Physics.Manager</Name>
2016-09-08 12:51 <djphil__> hmmm can't fix :s
2016-09-08 14:12 <djphil> yes, the Dwell compile now, i get the dll :)
2016-09-08 14:40 <djphil> something else is wrong. Inworld Aboutland Dwell Remain on "loading" now, pfff :s
2016-09-08 18:04 <Plugh> djphil: Does the dwell module use any PHP?
2016-09-08 18:05 <Plugh> nm. I see that it does. 
2016-09-08 18:05 <Plugh> djphil: Which version of PHP are you using?
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2016-09-09 03:03 <djphil> Plugh, i'm using php 5.6.3 and php 7.0.8
2016-09-09 03:04 <djphil> i have tested dwell on both
2016-09-09 03:04 <djphil> i can send you the modified files if needed
2016-09-09 03:04 <djphil> one file fix the build
2016-09-09 03:05 <djphil> and another fix the php7 (use mysqli)
2016-09-09 03:05 <djphil> he don't work on php5 and php7
2016-09-09 03:05 <djphil> tested with opensim v0.8.2.0
2016-09-09 03:07 <djphil> and compiled with opensim v0.9.x
2016-09-09 03:07 <djphil> big mix! :p
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2016-09-09 05:20 <Plugh> djphil: Makes testing interesting
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2016-09-10 11:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #4994 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-09-10 11:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: move region comands out of LocalGridServiceConnector where they do not belong
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2016-09-12 13:06 <Melanie_T> Ubit: ping
2016-09-12 15:29 <osmantis> Bug #8022:04 Temporary objects not persisting while sat upon 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8022 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-09-12 16:27 <Plugh> When loading an oar with a displacement does it handle loading the terrain for the area?
2016-09-12 16:36 <nebadon> displacement only effects prims
2016-09-12 16:36 <nebadon> as far as I know
2016-09-12 16:36 <nebadon> you would have to do the terrain elevate command to adjust accordingly if you are raising things up
2016-09-12 16:36 <nebadon> I may be wrong though to be honest ive not tested it very much
2016-09-12 16:37 <Plugh> I think the person doing the oar loading wants to change the terrain for part of the region.
2016-09-12 16:37 <nebadon> you can use the in world tools to raise selected sections of terrain 
2016-09-12 16:38 <nebadon> again not sure how well that stuff works though
2016-09-12 16:38 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-09-12 16:38 <Plugh> I don't think that is what is wanted in this situation.
2016-09-12 16:43 <Plugh> nebadon: The problem is the region is a var.
2016-09-12 16:45 <nebadon> so what exactly are they trying to do?
2016-09-12 16:46 <nebadon> there likely is some kind of solution
2016-09-12 16:47 <Plugh> I'm thinking that the person wants to change the terrain in a section of a var to match the terrain that they originally had in a set of regular regions.
2016-09-12 16:54 <Plugh> Any idea whether loading of terrain for large vars has been tried?
2016-09-12 16:54 <Plugh> I know I often had trouble dealing with getting terrain to load for regular regions.
2016-09-12 16:57 <jakdaniels_> displacement does work with terrain if you specify a Z displacement. I know... I wrote the code ;)
2016-09-12 16:58 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: what about a z displacement of 0?
2016-09-12 16:58 <Plugh> The help info for terrain load makes no mention of displacement
2016-09-12 16:59 <jakdaniels_> then the terrain stays as it was. load oar now works properly in 0.9 for var and regular regions and allow cutting out bits of vars to place into regular regions as well as placing a regular anywhere into a var.
2016-09-12 16:59 <jakdaniels_> But you must be using opensim 0.9
2016-09-12 17:00 <Plugh> I'm using git master.
2016-09-12 17:00 <jakdaniels_> yep, should work. See this wiki page: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Load_Oar_0.9.0%2B
2016-09-12 17:00 <Plugh> We are talking about two different things.
2016-09-12 17:00 <jakdaniels_> how so?
2016-09-12 17:01 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: 1. loading of terrain is supposed to work properly when loading an oar file? 2. How do you specify an offset when using the terrain load command?
2016-09-12 17:01 <Plugh> I thought you switched from talking about an oar load to that of just loading terrain.
2016-09-12 17:01 <Ubit> i did comit a patch from mantis  oars sometime ago 
2016-09-12 17:01 <jakdaniels_> oh... not sure about that.... I thought you started the conversation talking about load oar, so that's what I was talking about
2016-09-12 17:02 <Plugh> Let me start from the beginning.
2016-09-12 17:02 <jakdaniels_> because I rewrote all the code for terrain, parcel and object handling to properly support vars
2016-09-12 17:02 <jakdaniels_> ok ;)
2016-09-12 17:03 <Ubit> hmm was yr patch jak?
2016-09-12 17:03 <jakdaniels_> yep
2016-09-12 17:03 <Ubit> i forget names :p
2016-09-12 17:03 <Plugh> There once was a 4x4 var that had its terrain altered. Now that 4x4 var is going to become part of a larger var. The person who had the 4x4 wants to have the same terrain when their region becomes part of the larger var.
2016-09-12 17:03 <Ubit> ok
2016-09-12 17:03 <Plugh> so that part of the larger var used to hold the old 4x4 needs to have the terrain loaded that was in the 4x4.
2016-09-12 17:04 <jakdaniels_> ok so far...
2016-09-12 17:04 <jakdaniels_> so are we talking about displacing the terrain up or down at all here?
2016-09-12 17:04 <Plugh> The person who had the 4x4 saved the terrain for the 4x4 in sections that are the size of a regular region in oar files.
2016-09-12 17:05 <Plugh> Now I have 4 oar files containing nothing but terrain for the for sections of the original 4x4. The terrain needs to be loaded in to an existing var that is larger than a 4x4. The target area for the old 4x4 is the northeast corner of the larger var so the oar needs to be loaded with an x/y offset.
2016-09-12 17:06 <Plugh> The terrain is not being displaced up or down. It is being displaced in X/Y
2016-09-12 17:06 <jakdaniels_> but they saved just the terrain not the parcels and objects? I'm still confused lol. The easiest thing they could have done woruld be just to save the whole 4x4 as 1 oar file.
2016-09-12 17:07 <Plugh> The load oar with --displacement and --merge (as the region already has objects in it), did not affect the terrain of the larger var.
2016-09-12 17:07 <jakdaniels_> ok.... --merge will not load terrain
2016-09-12 17:07 <Plugh> How do we load the terrain from the 4x4 in to an existing region without wiping out everything in the existing region?
2016-09-12 17:07 <jakdaniels_> they should use also --force-terrain
2016-09-12 17:08 <jakdaniels_> try this:
2016-09-12 17:08 <Plugh> --force-terrain was used and so was --force-parcels.
2016-09-12 17:09 <jakdaniels_> load oar --merge --displacement <x,y,0> --force-terrain myoar.oar
2016-09-12 17:09 <Plugh> I'll try what you are about to suggest later. My lunch is ready. bbl.
2016-09-12 17:09 <jakdaniels_> ok... let me know what happens :)
2016-09-12 17:09 <Plugh> Do you need < > around the displacement?
2016-09-12 17:10 <jakdaniels_> yes
2016-09-12 17:10 <jakdaniels_> it's a vector
2016-09-12 17:10 <Plugh> ok
2016-09-12 17:10 <Plugh> bbl
2016-09-12 17:10 <Ubit> damm tempPC = new PerformanceCounter now decided to take ages on my box
2016-09-12 17:11 <Ubit> well guess the box wants a restart
2016-09-12 17:12 <Melanie_T> Ubit: ping
2016-09-12 17:12 <Ubit> pong
2016-09-12 17:12 <Melanie_T> i read that you moved some console commands out of a module
2016-09-12 17:12 <Melanie_T> i don't know if that was the one i remeber
2016-09-12 17:12 <Ubit> 2  yeap
2016-09-12 17:13 <Ubit> get neibours
2016-09-12 17:13 <Melanie_T> but i moved some commands _into_ a module a long time ago
2016-09-12 17:13 <Melanie_T> to make sure they're only available in standalone mode
2016-09-12 17:13 <Ubit> was i localconector that only knows about local regions
2016-09-12 17:13 <Melanie_T> just consider this when you look at console commands
2016-09-12 17:13 <Ubit> hmm standalones do have regioncomandmodules right?
2016-09-12 17:14 <Melanie_T> commands that should not be done or can't be done from a region console when the connector is remote
2016-09-12 17:14 <Melanie_T> should not be available
2016-09-12 17:14 <Melanie_T> that would help user confusion
2016-09-12 17:14 <Melanie_T> about not being able to issue grid level commands on a region console
2016-09-12 17:14 <Melanie_T> when those should be done on the robust console
2016-09-12 17:14 <Melanie_T> as an example
2016-09-12 17:15 <Ubit> yes 
2016-09-12 17:15 <Melanie_T> if the remote grid connecor is loaded, setting region modes like fallback, etc, should not be available on the region console
2016-09-12 17:15 <Melanie_T> that needs to be done on robust then
2016-09-12 17:15 <Ubit> but this where the old ShowNeighboursCommand
2016-09-12 17:15 <Melanie_T> so theoretically these commands should be part of the local grid connector
2016-09-12 17:15 <Ubit> and my new ShowRegionsInViewCommand
2016-09-12 17:16 <Melanie_T> i don't say that it concerne your commit
2016-09-12 17:16 <Ubit> and this are local not robust
2016-09-12 17:16 <Melanie_T> it jst remeinded me of that goal
2016-09-12 17:16 <Ubit> ok
2016-09-12 17:16 <Melanie_T> to have commands on the region console go away if the configuration is such that they can't work anyway
2016-09-12 17:16 <Melanie_T> like create user in grid mode
2016-09-12 17:16 <Melanie_T> should not be in the region console
2016-09-12 17:16 <Melanie_T> it won't work anyway
2016-09-12 17:16 <Melanie_T> so ideally it should only show if in standalone
2016-09-12 17:16 <Ubit> ok but this 2 are to stay on regions
2016-09-12 17:17 <Melanie_T> as i said
2016-09-12 17:17 <Melanie_T> it doesn't concernt his commit
2016-09-12 17:17 <Melanie_T> this*
2016-09-12 17:17 <Ubit> ok :)
2016-09-12 17:17 <Melanie_T> it only reminded you to share that goal with you
2016-09-12 17:17 <Melanie_T> sometimes things jog my memory
2016-09-12 17:17 <Melanie_T> reminded me*
2016-09-12 17:18 <Ubit> :)
2016-09-12 17:20 <Ubit> well the avatar didn't went to 0,0,0.. viewers show it there grr
2016-09-12 17:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #4995 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-12 17:21 <Ubit> well my bad on some revision.. we need to sit the avatar on prim before setting offset
2016-09-12 17:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4995: SUCCESS in 6 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4995/
2016-09-12 17:26 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: put a lock back in ubOde character :(
2016-09-12 17:26 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: avoid siting a avatar at 0,0,0
2016-09-12 17:27 <Ubit> the damm permissions are a bit harder do handle than i was expecting :)
2016-09-12 17:28 <Ubit> ( script permitions )
2016-09-12 17:28 <Ubit> odd why are they known by scenepresence mel ?
2016-09-12 17:28 <Ubit>  i mean aren't 
2016-09-12 17:29 <Ubit> they seem to be centralized on script.. should they be on presence ??
2016-09-12 17:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #4996 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-12 17:30 <Melanie_T> huh?
2016-09-12 17:30 <Ubit> script permissions
2016-09-12 17:30 <Melanie_T> each script has it's OWN se of premissions
2016-09-12 17:30 <Ubit> yeah and presence knows nothing about them
2016-09-12 17:30 <Melanie_T> that s correct
2016-09-12 17:30 <Ubit> so i hited a wall doing this packet handler :p
2016-09-12 17:31 <Melanie_T> presence only knows about take controls stuff
2016-09-12 17:31 <Ubit> yeap
2016-09-12 17:31 <Melanie_T> that is as it should be
2016-09-12 17:31 <Melanie_T> presence has no need to know about the others
2016-09-12 17:31 <Ubit> don't know about that should be
2016-09-12 17:32 <Ubit> just not in the mood to scan all scripts to remove granted animation permissions
2016-09-12 17:33 <Melanie_T> when would you want to do that?
2016-09-12 17:33 <Melanie_T> and, btw
2016-09-12 17:33 <Melanie_T> they have to be on the script
2016-09-12 17:33 <Ubit> its a packet
2016-09-12 17:33 <Melanie_T> because their lifetime is that of the script
2016-09-12 17:33 <Melanie_T> not that of the presence
2016-09-12 17:33 <Melanie_T> if an object has permission to animate you, it will have that permission even if you log out and back in
2016-09-12 17:33 <Melanie_T> tat is as it should be
2016-09-12 17:33 <Ubit> used by avatar health and others
2016-09-12 17:33 <Ubit> nopes.. this packet cancels those
2016-09-12 17:34 <Melanie_T> what packet?
2016-09-12 17:34 <Ubit> RevokePermissions
2016-09-12 17:34 <Melanie_T> that is a linden-defined UDP packet?
2016-09-12 17:34 <Ubit> yeap
2016-09-12 17:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4996: SUCCESS in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4996/
2016-09-12 17:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add skeleton on handle revoke permissions packet ( non funtional still ) ( do it not using a multidelegate event )
2016-09-12 17:34 <Ubit> already on libomv also
2016-09-12 17:34 <Melanie_T> then for that you do need to scan all scripts
2016-09-12 17:35 <Ubit> i know :p
2016-09-12 17:35 <Melanie_T> there is no other way because, as i said, permission lifetime is that of the script not that of the presence
2016-09-12 17:35 <Melanie_T> you'd break pretty much all BDSM content if you changed the lifetime
2016-09-12 17:35 <Melanie_T> because these things depend on, for instance, the sub still being tied up and kneeling if the sub logs out and back in
2016-09-12 17:36 <Ubit> well ill do it just not now.. added the inttial code just before those scans
2016-09-12 17:36 <Melanie_T> so we didn't implement that packet before?
2016-09-12 17:36 <Ubit> no
2016-09-12 17:37 <Ubit> noticed the error on console
2016-09-12 17:37 <Ubit> its on avatar health menu on fs
2016-09-12 17:37 <Ubit> and mb also on the revoke permissions on sit/stand options
2016-09-12 17:38 <Ubit> singu also has it.. guess its old
2016-09-12 17:39 <Ubit> hmm i could revoke all,,  but seems only works on the 2 animation permissions at sl
2016-09-12 17:39 <Ubit> i mean it could..
2016-09-12 17:47 <Melanie_T> then it should only revoke those
2016-09-12 17:47 <Melanie_T> else you'd break existing content
2016-09-12 17:47 <Melanie_T> consider a merchant needing to use it
2016-09-12 17:47 <Ubit> i know just telling
2016-09-12 17:47 <Melanie_T> and all his vendors lose debiit perms....
2016-09-12 17:48 <Ubit> filter already there.. hmm i think :)
2016-09-12 17:48 <Plugh> linuxkac
2016-09-12 17:51 <Plugh> Ubit, dealing with the 0,0,0 black hole again but this time for avatars? :)
2016-09-12 17:51 <Ubit> :)
2016-09-12 17:53 <Plugh> I hadn't thought about that for a while. I should check to see if there are any recent reports about the 0,0,0 black hole for prims.
2016-09-12 17:57 <jakdaniels_> Plugh I just tested loading a 256x256 oar into an already populated 512x512 region using: load oar --merge --displacement <128,128,0> --force-terrain myoar.oar
2016-09-12 17:57 <Plugh> ok, great. What happened?
2016-09-12 17:57 <jakdaniels_> and it worked as expected.... a 256x256 area was imported into the middle of the 512x512 including terrain without modifying the terrain or objects of the rest of the 512x512 region
2016-09-12 18:00 <Melanie_T> thanks for reporting
2016-09-12 18:00 <Melanie_T> so we know it's safe to recommend using that
2016-09-12 18:00 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: ok, thanks for testing. So that is a problem. I need to load the terrain.
2016-09-12 18:00 <Ubit> hmm he made the code..  not that safe :p
2016-09-12 18:00 <Plugh> hehe
2016-09-12 18:01 <Ubit> i comited the patch with minor checking
2016-09-12 18:01 <Ubit> :p
2016-09-12 18:01 <jakdaniels_> so is that *not* the behaviour you need Plugh?
2016-09-12 18:02 <Plugh> No, it isn't. You just said it did *not* load the terrain. The terrain is the only thing in the oar files I'm trying to load.
2016-09-12 18:03 <jakdaniels_> I said it did load the terrain into the space specified without breaking the rest of terrain in the larger destination region
2016-09-12 18:03 <Plugh> well, not me trying to load them. The person I am trying to help.
2016-09-12 18:03 <Plugh> oh, sorry. I misread the part where you said "without modifying".
2016-09-12 18:04 <jakdaniels_> If all you need is the terrain out of the oar then use: load oar --merge --displacement <128,128,0> --force-terrain --no-objects myoar.oar
2016-09-12 18:05 <Plugh> --no-objects? Nice. Not a problem in this case as the oars have no other items in them.
2016-09-12 18:05 <jakdaniels_> ok... I guessed probably so, but thought I should mention it just in case ;)
2016-09-12 18:07 <jakdaniels_> hehe... I spent weeks testing and testing all sorts of combinations of load oar to make sure my code worked... so I'm 98% sure it does what it should ;)
2016-09-12 18:07 <Ubit> 
ACTION worried with the 2%

2016-09-12 18:07 <jakdaniels_> There's always a 2%. Doesn't your code have that too? ;)
2016-09-12 18:07 <Ubit> nahh 
2016-09-12 18:08 <Ubit> my code is only 20%
2016-09-12 18:08 <Ubit> oops
2016-09-12 18:08 <Ubit> :)
2016-09-12 18:41 <Plugh> hehe
2016-09-12 18:41 <Plugh> Knowing my luck I'm dealing with the 2%
2016-09-12 18:46 <Ubit> :)
2016-09-12 18:51 <jakdaniels_> Plugh, you mentioned loading a 4x4 oar into a bigger? region. How big is the destination region?
2016-09-12 19:05 <Plugh> 10x10
2016-09-12 19:05 <Ubit> suicidal :p
2016-09-12 19:05 <Plugh> yea, well... I didn't make it that size.
2016-09-12 19:07 <jakdaniels_> wow, that'll take up a lot of memory and cpu with not a lot in it
2016-09-12 19:10 <nebadon> the viewer will probably have trouble with that much terrain
2016-09-12 19:10 <nebadon> your getting into the gb range in size
2016-09-12 19:22 <Plugh> hm... why is help text being output twice on the console??
2016-09-12 19:23 <Plugh> nebadon: As I said, I didn't make that size region and the people who did know they shouldn't have done that.
2016-09-12 19:23 <Plugh> They thought they had been told that 10x10 was the upper limit for vars some while back.
2016-09-12 19:24 <jakdaniels_> I think it's actually 32x32 !
2016-09-12 19:24 <Plugh> The person who wants the oar loaded said it isn't working. The log file for the region says terrain was loaded. I have no idea what the region is supposed to look like so I don't know if the load worked or not.
2016-09-12 19:25 <Plugh> Dang. Can't load the file in Bailiwick as it is a .r32 extension.
2016-09-12 19:26 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: If you wrote, or worked on, the terrain save routines perhaps you can make sense of this -> 
2016-09-12 19:26 <Plugh> 15:21:44 - [TERRAIN]: Saved terrain from OAR files to terrain-backup.raw
2016-09-12 19:26 <Plugh> 15:21:44 - [TERRAIN]: Unable to save to terrain-backup.raw, Could not create file "/home/kcozens/Projects/OpenSimulator/mysandbox-master/terrain-backup.raw". File already exists.
2016-09-12 19:26 <Plugh> 15:21:44 - [TERRAIN]: Could not save terrain from Welcome Area to terrain-backup.raw.  Valid file extensions are .r32 (RAW32), .f32 (RAW32), .ter (Terragen), .raw (LL/SL RAW), .jpg (JPEG), .jpeg (JPEG), .bmp (BMP), .png (PNG), .gif (GIF), .tif (TIFF), .tiff (TIFF), .gsd (SYS.DRAWING)
2016-09-12 19:26 <Plugh> A file of 832k was saved
2016-09-12 19:28 <jakdaniels_> I didn't do any work on the terrain commands, only load oar, so I'm not sure what going on here. What was the command used on the console?
2016-09-12 19:29 <Plugh> There is no point wasting any more time on this right now. I have no way to know if the oar file and the associated terrain did, or did not, get loaded properly.
2016-09-12 19:40 <nebadon> I thought technically the viewer had trouble beyond 4096
2016-09-12 19:40 <nebadon> opensim side there technically is very little in terms of limits
2016-09-12 19:40 <nebadon> 4096m that is
2016-09-12 19:41 <nebadon> that was what lkalif always preached anyway
2016-09-12 19:42 <nebadon> no sorry I think it was 2048
2016-09-12 19:42 <nebadon> i have found 768x768 to be a pretty optimal size though, I personally myself wouldnt exceed 1024x1024
2016-09-12 19:43 <nebadon> is there a a particular reason they want it so large Plugh?
2016-09-12 19:46 <nebadon> I kind of recall terrain save only work with png and r32 
2016-09-12 19:46 <nebadon> maybe bmp too
2016-09-12 19:47 <AliciaRaven> when i work with terrain, i could only get it to work with bmp, raw never worked for me
2016-09-12 19:47 <nebadon> yea I think png and r32 work
2016-09-12 19:47 <nebadon> not all the formats work though
2016-09-12 19:51 <Plugh> There is an island near the corner of where the oar is supposed to load. I lowered the island in to the sea and reloaded the oar. The island reappeared. I think the person who said it didn't load didn't know it had already been loaded or they were looking in the wrong place.
2016-09-12 19:51 <Plugh> If they were in the right place expecting to see a change and it was already loaded that would explain why they thought it isn't working.
2016-09-12 19:52 <Plugh> nebadon: The var was created a long time ago when the "sane" var limit was thought to be 10x10. It has never been split up in to a set of smaller vars.
2016-09-12 19:53 <nebadon> well technically there are no limits
2016-09-12 19:53 <nebadon> more recommended settings
2016-09-12 19:53 <nebadon> if 10x10 works well then by all means use it :)
2016-09-12 19:53 <Plugh> Right. 10x10 was thought to be the upper limit on the recommended settings ages ago.
2016-09-12 19:53 <nebadon> I think we are all mostly just surprised their are not problems
2016-09-12 19:53 <Plugh> I'm not aware of any problems with that var.
2016-09-12 20:15 <Aramis^^> this Baliwick?  http://www.spinmass.com/software/bailiwick.aspx
2016-09-12 20:15 <Plugh> yea
2016-09-12 20:15 <Plugh> Its old
2016-09-12 20:15 <Aramis^^> yeah long time since I saved or loaded terrains, especially .raw
2016-09-12 20:16 <Aramis^^> but will check the prog out
2016-09-12 20:17 <Plugh> It may not be the best of programs but it worked and let me do what I needed to do in the past.
2016-09-12 20:25 <Aramis^^> just reminded me to dl terragen 3 also, and what's the other one... l3dt
2016-09-12 20:26 <Plugh> I have Terragen installed.
2016-09-12 20:28 <Plugh> Never really used it.
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2016-09-13 17:52 <Plugh> Has anyone experience a case where new avatars logging in to a grid for the first time don't land at one of the default landing points?
2016-09-13 18:06 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid
2016-09-15 00:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #4997 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-15 01:00 <Ubit> err  could not test.. not running a grid now
2016-09-15 01:01 <Ubit> btw  0.8 did not flag like this also
2016-09-15 01:02 <Ubit> ( 0.9 had same code as 0.8 well most 0.9 grid side is as 0.8 except on some large regions suport 
2016-09-15 01:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #4997: SUCCESS in 7 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/4997/
2016-09-15 01:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make login to default regions be flaged also as login via RegionID, so landpoints can work on those default regions
2016-09-15 01:58 <Plugh> Ubit, thanks. I'll give that a try. All I know is that the landing point worked before the grid was updated to 0.9
2016-09-15 01:58 <Ubit> ok
2016-09-15 01:59 <Ubit> don't see how.. but whatever
2016-09-15 01:59 <Plugh> 
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2016-09-15 01:59 <Plugh> I don't know what to tell you. I don't know the code. I just know how the region behaved.
2016-09-15 01:59 <Ubit> whatever.. lets see now :9
2016-09-15 01:59 <Plugh> 
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2016-09-15 01:59 <nebadon> there was a point in 0.9 where gods no matter if you had got mode enabled or not
2016-09-15 02:00 <nebadon> the telehub would ignore them
2016-09-15 02:00 <nebadon> landing points too
2016-09-15 02:00 <nebadon> was super annoying
2016-09-15 02:00 <nebadon> i was always landing under things and being trapped
2016-09-15 02:00 <nebadon> that was fixed though
2016-09-15 02:00 <Ubit> thats the OS/SL options
2016-09-15 02:00 <Ubit> nopes not a fix.. its option :p
2016-09-15 02:00 <nebadon> well ya but our expected default behavior was restored
2016-09-15 02:01 <Ubit> ( not sure gods are excluded )
2016-09-15 02:01 <Plugh> nebadon: I've not used telehubs or infohubs
2016-09-15 02:01 <nebadon> it should only exclude gods when god mode is enabled
2016-09-15 02:01 <Ubit> its every thing plugh with "sl" option  users with privs are not afected
2016-09-15 02:03 <Ubit> yeap  gods are not checked in OS option
2016-09-15 02:03 <Ubit> in "SL"
2016-09-15 02:03 <Ubit> ..//dont mess with gods
2016-09-15 02:03 <Ubit>             if(GodLevel >=  200 || m_scene.Permissions.IsGod(m_uuid))
2016-09-15 02:03 <Ubit>                 return true;
2016-09-15 02:04 <Plugh> Just checking god level means that god related behaviour will take effect whether you have god mode enabled or not, AFAIK.
2016-09-15 02:05 <Ubit> we don't have god enable
2016-09-15 02:05 <Ubit> its always on at that point
2016-09-15 02:05 <Ubit> only parcel view control  does check that bc its new code
2016-09-15 02:06 <Ubit> well 2yrs old or 3 now lol
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2016-09-15 17:53 <osjenkins> * Alicia Raven: Minor, remove unused OSDMap declaration in MySQL profiles
2016-09-15 17:53 <osjenkins> * Alicia Raven: Minor. Make email module log message format consistent with other modules
2016-09-15 18:11 <osmantis> Bug #8023:04 Putting Touch To Play Script In Object Then Deleting It Causes Object To Be Movable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8023 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2016-09-15 18:20 <osmantis> Bug #8023:04 Putting Touch To Play Script In Object Then Deleting It Causes Object To Be Movable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8023 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-09-15 21:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #4999 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-09-15 21:53 <osjenkins> Alicia Raven: Minor. Remove unused integer arrays from TerrainModule
2016-09-15 21:55 <AliciaRaven> hi Ubit, i pushed some tweaks u might have missed :)
2016-09-15 21:55 <Ubit> hi just pulled
2016-09-15 21:56 <AliciaRaven> last one was a minute ago
2016-09-15 21:56 <AliciaRaven> well, jenkins finished a minute ago, the commit was 22.47
2016-09-15 21:56 <Ubit> :)
2016-09-15 21:57 <Ubit> xpieces and y   yeap guess i forgot those :)
2016-09-15 21:57 <Ubit> well i still don't like terrain as is
2016-09-15 21:57 <AliciaRaven> i finaly decided to merge all the recent changes with my branch and just pushing a few lil things that i spotted while managing conflicts
2016-09-15 21:58 <AliciaRaven> well i dont know that code very well, i just see those arrays were declared but never used
2016-09-15 21:58 <Ubit> they where used on initial MB code i think
2016-09-15 21:59 <Ubit> i did change it a bit..  from llclientview up
2016-09-15 21:59 <AliciaRaven> only issue with terrain im aware of is that if u enable the code by misterblue to send the closest chunks first, it triggers a bug creating ghost parcel lines
2016-09-15 21:59 <Ubit> viewers don't like that much
2016-09-15 21:59 <Ubit> so i split it  a faster nearby and a slower send all :(
2016-09-15 22:00 <AliciaRaven> yea i havnt had time to look into it, i just have that option disabled in the config
2016-09-15 22:00 <Ubit> if we don't send all terrain.. view is pretty ugly
2016-09-15 22:00 <Ubit> bc draw distance does not limit terrain
2016-09-15 22:00 <AliciaRaven> i found it worked well, apart from the parcel lines go all screwie
2016-09-15 22:01 <Ubit> so we see the ugly missing terrain
2016-09-15 22:01 <AliciaRaven> ah i see
2016-09-15 22:01 <Ubit> hmm didn't notice that parcels thing
2016-09-15 22:01 <AliciaRaven> there is a mantis for it, let me check
2016-09-15 22:01 <Ubit> i did remove the send partial data on those i think
2016-09-15 22:01 <Ubit> bc that jsut doesn't work
2016-09-15 22:02 <Ubit> well at least with that simpler code we have..
2016-09-15 22:02 <AliciaRaven> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7597
2016-09-15 22:03 <AliciaRaven> i might have more tweaks, i havnt finished looking over the merge conflicts i had
2016-09-15 22:03 <Ubit> yeap parcel data can't be limited
2016-09-15 22:04 <Ubit> terrain patchs possible..  except for that ugly view
2016-09-15 22:05 <AliciaRaven> im not sure why the viewer sees ghost parcel lines tho, if it has no data it should just asume a default altitude for that chunk, why it shows parcel lines where there are none is unknown to me
2016-09-15 22:06 <Ubit> bc parcel data is a array of bit flags
2016-09-15 22:06 <AliciaRaven> it seems to see a real parcel, then take that data and apply it to another area it has no data for
2016-09-15 22:06 <Ubit> that includes the parcels borders as flags
2016-09-15 22:06 <AliciaRaven> but if it has no data, why would it assume the flags are set?
2016-09-15 22:06 <Ubit> so if we don't send them all,  viewers may get "confused"
2016-09-15 22:07 <Ubit> at least until we find a away to split that correctly
2016-09-15 22:07 <Ubit> of viewers learn to deal with "open" parcels
2016-09-15 22:07 <AliciaRaven> so do u think that that option can be fixed or should be removed?
2016-09-15 22:07 <Ubit> well that's what i remember :)
2016-09-15 22:08 <Ubit> hmm i had the idea i had remove that option from parcels data
2016-09-15 22:09 <AliciaRaven> ah maybe u have, i havnt checked since all the commits from avination, too many to check all of them lol
2016-09-15 22:09 <Ubit> but i don't like terrain..  that code was my "first" set of changes to make it work :)
2016-09-15 22:09 <Ubit> on large regions
2016-09-15 22:09 <Ubit> don't like how we scan looking for changes..   needs to be by demand again for example
2016-09-15 22:10 <Ubit> undo is dead.. i killed it intensionally...
2016-09-15 22:10 <Ubit> or large regions could get into trouble :)
2016-09-15 22:11 <AliciaRaven> i noticed that opensim had no terrain undo code untill these changes, now there are revert codes?
2016-09-15 22:11 <Ubit> it had
2016-09-15 22:11 <Ubit> but it was full copies of terrain patchs
2016-09-15 22:11 <Ubit> not nice on large regions..
2016-09-15 22:11 <Ubit> err terrain heighmap actually
2016-09-15 22:12 <AliciaRaven> yea
2016-09-15 22:12 <Ubit> many operations can be just math revert
2016-09-15 22:13 <Ubit> others not that easy to revert what they do.. grrr :)
2016-09-15 22:13 <AliciaRaven> wonder if i got mixed up, i had seen empty methods for revert in the old code that had been filled in with code in the latest
2016-09-15 22:13 <Ubit> we also don't store the err whats the name?
2016-09-15 22:13 <Ubit> well a terrain copy estate managers can create
2016-09-15 22:14 <Ubit> its just the loaded terrain
2016-09-15 22:14 <Ubit> ( reverting to it does work.. )
2016-09-15 22:14 <AliciaRaven> ah i know, i had seen a new code block relating to estate settings in terrain, guess it was something else
2016-09-15 22:15 <Ubit> "bake terrain"
2016-09-15 22:16 <Ubit> that needs the storage and retrieve from db
2016-09-15 22:16 <Ubit> for now the bake is set to the loaded terrain on startup, and not stored
2016-09-15 22:16 <AliciaRaven> ah i see
2016-09-15 22:17 <Ubit> ( think we never had it actually )
2016-09-15 22:18 <Ubit> terrain does need a lot a work :)
2016-09-15 22:18 <AliciaRaven> i have set baked but never needed to revert to it so not noticed it wasnt working
2016-09-15 22:18 <Plugh> Ubit, does that mean it is only half-baked?  ;)
2016-09-15 22:18 <Ubit> well compress of terrain patchs is now faster with the code i added
2016-09-15 22:19 <Ubit> but still done everytime a avatar logs in
2016-09-15 22:19 <Ubit> i can be made just once or on changes
2016-09-15 22:19 <AliciaRaven> cool, i think its now done async rather that on the frame event yes?
2016-09-15 22:19 <Ubit> its async
2016-09-15 22:20 <Ubit> plugh that landpoints thing, better now?
2016-09-15 22:21 <Plugh> I haven't gotten around to testing it yet. Been trying to finish off another project.
2016-09-15 22:21 <Ubit> ok
2016-09-15 22:21 <AliciaRaven> about that, when some one teleports to a region with no coords given, opensim defaults to 128,128.. my branch has an option in region ini to set a fallback landing spot for when no specific coords are given, would that be usefull in core?
2016-09-15 22:22 <Ubit> we still have that 128.. default
2016-09-15 22:22 <Ubit> guess its as good as anyother choice :)
2016-09-15 22:23 <Ubit> region owners can set landpoints or telehubs no ?
2016-09-15 22:23 <AliciaRaven> yes but a telehub will override landmarks and map clicks that give a coord
2016-09-15 22:23 <Ubit> guess in somecases viewers will decide that 128,... also no ?
2016-09-15 22:24 <AliciaRaven> i wanted people to land at our welcome area if no coords where specified, but still allow map clicks and landmarks to work
2016-09-15 22:24 <Ubit> ie center of normal region
2016-09-15 22:25 <AliciaRaven> telehub prevents landmarks and map clicks working, if some one wants a default landing place but to allow map clicks and landmaks to also work, there is no option
2016-09-15 22:25 <Ubit> yeap
2016-09-15 22:26 <AliciaRaven> so i added it to my branch, as a region ini option, i needed it ande i think others would too
2016-09-15 22:27 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: That's another one of those issues about what is in the spec. If someone TP's to a region without specifying coordinates that may be another case where the regions landing point should be used.
2016-09-15 22:27 <Plugh> bbl. My dinner is ready.
2016-09-15 22:29 <AliciaRaven> but the region landing point cant be specified with out forcing all incomming avatars to a telehub and ignoring where they may want to land, thats what my change does
2016-09-15 22:30 <AliciaRaven> its just the last resort landing point that is used rather than guessing 128,128 which is usualy some random point away from any designed welcome area
2016-09-15 22:30 <Ubit> well you decide :)
2016-09-15 22:33 <AliciaRaven> i think it is a needed feature, but i will need to get an optinion from Melanie_ and the others, i will send an email to core when i get time
2016-09-15 22:33 <Ubit> ok
2016-09-15 22:34 <Melanie_> how is that set?
2016-09-15 22:34 <Melanie_> just in the ini file?
2016-09-15 22:34 <Melanie_> what is wrong with just setting the landing point of the parcel?
2016-09-15 22:34 <AliciaRaven> what if the region has more than one parcel?
2016-09-15 22:34 <AliciaRaven> yes i have it as a setting in region.ini
2016-09-15 22:35 <AliciaRaven> just the last resort landing for entering a region with no specified coords
2016-09-15 22:35 <AliciaRaven> telehubs just force ALL avatars to that point making landmarks and map clicks not work
2016-09-15 22:35 <Melanie_> if it has more than one parcel, the landing point for unspecified teleports will be the landing point of the parcel that contains 128.128
2016-09-15 22:36 <AliciaRaven> setting the parcel landing point only works when the region only has one parcel
2016-09-15 22:36 <Melanie_> no, see above
2016-09-15 22:36 <AliciaRaven> what if the welcome area isnt in that parcel, in large regions chances are it wont be
2016-09-15 22:36 <Melanie_> the parcel containing 128.128 detemines wher avatars without a specifid landing point will land
2016-09-15 22:37 <Melanie_> it's a matter of opinion, really
2016-09-15 22:37 <Melanie_> whether a welcome area is a good concept at all
2016-09-15 22:37 <AliciaRaven> so all regions must be designed with the welcome area close to that atleased, still a restriction
2016-09-15 22:37 <Melanie_> or whether it should be in the middle
2016-09-15 22:37 <AliciaRaven> still a limit on region design i think
2016-09-15 22:37 <Melanie_> but i agree that, being fully optional as you have it in the ini, it's not a bad thing to have
2016-09-15 22:38 <AliciaRaven> so is it ok for me to add that option to core, to have a fallback default in region ini?
2016-09-15 22:38 <Melanie_> it won't work as a default
2016-09-15 22:38 <AliciaRaven> if not set, it would still be 128
2016-09-15 22:38 <Melanie_> because what if you have multiple parcels and they have landing points set
2016-09-15 22:39 <Melanie_> and one contains 128,128
2016-09-15 22:39 <Melanie_> but it's not the welcome parcel?
2016-09-15 22:39 <Melanie_> it would still use that coordinate then
2016-09-15 22:39 <Melanie_> so a fallback will not do what you want
2016-09-15 22:39 <Melanie_> what you need to do to make it more useful
2016-09-15 22:39 <Melanie_> is to make it an override, not a fallback
2016-09-15 22:39 <AliciaRaven> it works on my main region, if i select the region from search with specified point, it takes me to the welcome area
2016-09-15 22:39 <Melanie_> when someone clicks the map
2016-09-15 22:39 <Melanie_> or uses a LM
2016-09-15 22:40 <Melanie_> it's very unlikely that the coordinate will be _exactly_ 128,128,23
2016-09-15 22:40 <Melanie_> so it's probably a better solution to test for the viewer requesting this default posiion
2016-09-15 22:40 <Melanie_> and to override it
2016-09-15 22:40 <Melanie_> on your region the parcel containing 128,128 probably has no landing point set
2016-09-15 22:40 <AliciaRaven> the main case is a region search and clicking the region name in the list an not the map image
2016-09-15 22:41 <Melanie_> else that would govern if your setting is actually a "fallback"
2016-09-15 22:41 <Melanie_> yes
2016-09-15 22:41 <Melanie_> and that will alwaus result in exactly 128,128,23 being requested
2016-09-15 22:41 <Melanie_> so the best choice is not to have a fallback
2016-09-15 22:41 <AliciaRaven> i have just changed the places in teleport where 128 is used to the ini value
2016-09-15 22:41 <Melanie_> but to override that specific coordinate
2016-09-15 22:41 <AliciaRaven> i see, yep i can do that
2016-09-15 22:42 <Ubit> not looking to code  but think we do have some 128.. hardwired, possible its changing that?
2016-09-15 22:42 <Melanie_> that way it will have more flexibility
2016-09-15 22:42 <Melanie_> Ubit, the 128 is hardwired at the SOURCE
2016-09-15 22:42 <AliciaRaven> Ubit thats what i have, i just changed the hardwired 128 landing points in the code
2016-09-15 22:42 <Melanie_> so it can't be changed with an ini value because in a grid one region can't read another's ini
2016-09-15 22:43 <Melanie_> AliciaRaven: the 128 is wired into the source
2016-09-15 22:43 <Melanie_> not the destination
2016-09-15 22:43 <Melanie_> your logic is flawed to start with
2016-09-15 22:43 <Melanie_> it would only work on a standalone
2016-09-15 22:43 <AliciaRaven> yes, but the source can use a region setting instead of that hardwired number
2016-09-15 22:44 <Melanie_> then the source would need to know the coordinate for each possible destination
2016-09-15 22:44 <AliciaRaven> it works on my grid Melanie_, seriously i have it in practice working
2016-09-15 22:44 <Melanie_> in a grid that is simply not available
2016-09-15 22:44 <AliciaRaven> region config call?
2016-09-15 22:44 <Melanie_> too expensive
2016-09-15 22:44 <Melanie_> put the 128,128,23 back
2016-09-15 22:44 <Melanie_> and check for that at the destination
2016-09-15 22:44 <Melanie_> there youhave the info on the landing point you want
2016-09-15 22:44 <Melanie_> and can redirect
2016-09-15 22:45 <Melanie_> so it woud be like 
2016-09-15 22:45 <Melanie_> if (requested coord is 128,128)
2016-09-15 22:46 <Melanie_> if (override lp set)
2016-09-15 22:46 <Melanie_> redirect;
2016-09-15 22:46 <AliciaRaven> in CompleteMovement() i check and change to AbsolutePosition = Scene.RegionInfo.DefaultLandingPoint;
2016-09-15 22:46 <Melanie_> because any coords not resulting from defaulting would have decimals, no matter how hard they try to hit the center
2016-09-15 22:46 <Melanie_> it will always be 128,2
2016-09-15 22:47 <Melanie_> 128.2,128.3
2016-09-15 22:47 <Melanie_> or something
2016-09-15 22:47 <Melanie_> AliciaRaven: correct
2016-09-15 22:47 <Melanie_> that would be checking at the destination
2016-09-15 22:47 <AliciaRaven> yep thats what i do
2016-09-15 22:47 <Melanie_> just don't change the source constants for the request
2016-09-15 22:48 <Melanie_> make a mantis maybe and put the patch up?
2016-09-15 22:48 <Melanie_> easier to comment on it when i see it
2016-09-15 22:48 <AliciaRaven> i have that check on line 1994 of the scenepresence class
2016-09-15 22:49 <AliciaRaven> ok, i will add if over the next couple of days and ping u so u can see how im doing it and see if its correct?
2016-09-15 22:49 <Melanie_> ok
2016-09-15 22:51 <AliciaRaven> i think as im doing it in complete movement and checking for a precise 128 request with no decimals that i am doing what ur suggesting tho
2016-09-15 22:51 <Ubit> hmm 1994 is lookat check
2016-09-15 22:53 <AliciaRaven> my code might be slightly different Ubit, ah and there is a merge error there aswell so its not where i had it before i merged
2016-09-15 22:53 <Ubit> hmm that lookAt thing no longer looks nice hmm
2016-09-15 22:53 <AliciaRaven> yea forget that line number. the merge has gone very wrong in that area lol
2016-09-15 22:53 <Ubit> why can't we look to 0,0 ? :)
2016-09-15 22:54 <AliciaRaven> eeew, dont make me come over there! lol
2016-09-15 22:54 <AliciaRaven> oh look at, i see
2016-09-15 22:54 <AliciaRaven> thought u ment 0,0 as a landing point lol
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2016-09-15 23:11 <Plugh> One other comment here. The default value of 128,128 is the center of the standard size regions. With vars it will be in the southwest corner.
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2016-09-16 06:13 <osmantis> Bug #8024:04 Persist baked terrain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8024 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-09-16 06:13 <osmantis> Bug #8024:04 Persist baked terrain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8024 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-09-16 12:51 <osmantis> Bug #8024:04 Persist baked terrain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8024 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-16 12:54 <osmantis> Bug #8024:04 Persist baked terrain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8024 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-16 15:45 <osmantis> Bug #8023:04 Putting Touch To Play Script In Object Then Deleting It Causes Object To Be Movable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8023 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-16 16:09 <osmantis> Bug #8024:04 Persist baked terrain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8024 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-16 16:29 <osmantis> Bug #8024:04 Persist baked terrain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8024 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-16 21:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #5000 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-09-16 21:17 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: pass touch_end as other touchs, make blockgrab work on nonphysical also
2016-09-16 21:17 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: move SpinObject funtions from Scenegraph to PacketHandlers, close to grab handles, since they are related operations (possible should be moving to graph, not clear this files roles)
2016-09-16 21:17 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change spinobject math, and a few minor things
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2016-09-17 11:45 <Ubit> FLOOD TIME
2016-09-17 11:59 <osmantis> Bug #7597:04 Ghost parcel lines since change to limit distance parcel data is sent out to viewers. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7597 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-17 13:41 <osmantis> Bug #7597:04 Ghost parcel lines since change to limit distance parcel data is sent out to viewers. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7597 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-17 13:51 <osmantis> Bug #7597:04 Ghost parcel lines since change to limit distance parcel data is sent out to viewers. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7597 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-17 15:08 <osmantis> Bug #7597:04 Ghost parcel lines since change to limit distance parcel data is sent out to viewers. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7597 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-17 16:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #5001 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-17 17:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5001: SUCCESS in 6 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5001/
2016-09-17 17:04 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  stop using legacy storeterrain in scene.cs
2016-09-17 17:04 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  add to databases a table to store baked terrain.
2016-09-17 17:04 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  add load baked terrain methods
2016-09-17 17:04 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  add load baked terrain methods. missing file
2016-09-17 17:04 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  add rest of wiring for terrain bake persistent store (mantis 8024 but not
2016-09-17 17:09 <osmantis> Bug #7597:04 Ghost parcel lines since change to limit distance parcel data is sent out to viewers. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7597 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-17 17:10 <Ubit> sucess? jenkins are you ill ?
2016-09-17 17:13 <osmantis> Bug #8024:04 Persist baked terrain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8024 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-17 18:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #5002 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-09-17 18:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  store all terrain in Variable2DGzip format
2016-09-17 18:24 <osmantis> Bug #8024:04 Persist baked terrain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8024 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-17 18:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #5003 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-17 18:47 <osmantis> Bug #8024:04 Persist baked terrain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8024 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-17 18:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5003: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5003/
2016-09-17 18:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: restore sqlite fixes from commit 0e6874..that got lost
2016-09-17 20:12 <Ubit> hm our trees don't move with wind ?
2016-09-17 20:18 <Ubit> hmm they move with singu after setting a option
2016-09-17 20:18 <Ubit> hmm so ugly
2016-09-17 20:55 <danbanner> ubit i belive RenderAnimateTrees was removed from linden's code and firestorm added it back as a disabled option after a lot of users complained they wanted it
2016-09-17 20:55 <Ubit> yeap  seems its only a singu option now
2016-09-17 20:56 <Ubit> didn't found it on FS
2016-09-17 20:56 <danbanner> ahh
2016-09-17 20:56 <danbanner> ya its been a while
2016-09-17 20:58 <Ubit> well our default update rate is very slow
2016-09-17 20:58 <Ubit> once every 15s or so
2016-09-17 20:58 <Ubit> needs to be closer to 1 per s
2016-09-17 20:59 <Ubit> hmm and packets damm large
2016-09-17 20:59 <Ubit> odd
2016-09-17 20:59 <Ubit> well testing the random  gen
2016-09-17 20:59 <Ubit> doesn't seem a good option
2016-09-17 20:59 <danbanner> its all viewer side isnt it?
2016-09-17 21:00 <Ubit> no
2016-09-17 21:00 <danbanner> hmm
2016-09-17 21:00 <Ubit> we send vectors
2016-09-17 21:00 <danbanner> ahh
2016-09-17 21:00 <Ubit> ( also for clounds)
2016-09-17 21:00 <Ubit> and something still not fixed for large regions
2016-09-17 21:01 <Ubit> well at avination ppl did race with boats using regions wind i thing
2016-09-17 21:01 <Ubit> ( others used other generators scripted based )
2016-09-17 21:01 <Ubit> damm i did work on this for those boats..
2016-09-17 21:01 <Ubit> don't remember anything :)
2016-09-17 21:02 <Ubit> well sl update rate is near 1per second
2016-09-17 21:03 <Ubit> flexi paramenters etc may depend on that
2016-09-17 21:03 <Ubit> ahh a lot smaller packets with the other gen
2016-09-17 21:04 <Ubit> errr hmm bc no wind lol
2016-09-17 21:05 <Ubit> ohh no i do have 10m/s storm
2016-09-17 21:05 <Ubit> same direction :)
2016-09-17 21:06 <Ubit> seems kinda broken this thing
2016-09-17 21:08 <Ubit> ;; Approximately 50 frames a second this coment is of course wrong
2016-09-17 21:11 <Ubit> bahh
2016-09-17 21:11 <Ubit>             for (int y = 0; y < 16; y++)            {                for (int x = 0; x < 16; x++)                {                    m_windSpeeds[y * 16 + x] = m_curPredominateWind;                }            }
2016-09-17 21:11 <Ubit> same wind on the all region
2016-09-17 21:11 <Ubit> thats why its a small packet
2016-09-17 21:12 <Ubit> nahh i don't like this wind generator
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2016-09-18 07:16 <osmantis> Bug #8024:04 Persist baked terrain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8024 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-09-18 19:01 <osmantis> Bug #8024:04 Persist baked terrain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8024 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-18 19:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #5004 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-18 19:03 <Ubit> can i flood the channel a bit?
2016-09-18 19:03 <Ubit> ok FLOOD Alert..
2016-09-18 19:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5004: SUCCESS in 6 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5004/
2016-09-18 19:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix typo in table name, thx tglion
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2016-09-19 01:33 <osmantis> Bug #8025:04 Logical NOT (!=)  isn't working properly comparing keys. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8025 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-09-19 02:52 <osmantis> Bug #8025:04 Logical NOT (!=)  isn't working properly comparing keys. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8025 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-09-19 06:18 <osmantis> Bug #8025:04 Logical NOT (!=)  isn't working properly comparing keys. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8025 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-19 11:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #5005 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-09-19 11:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: replace no thread safe code
2016-09-19 12:02 <osmantis> Bug #8025:04 Logical NOT (!=)  isn't working properly comparing keys. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8025 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-19 13:11 <osmantis> Bug #8025:04 Logical NOT (!=)  isn't working properly comparing keys. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8025 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-19 14:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #5006 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-09-19 14:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix GetUserUUI
2016-09-19 15:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #5007 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-09-19 15:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change CreatorIdentification set code
2016-09-19 18:12 <WindChimes_> llMoveToTarget works to ubODE ? i am testing but no effect
2016-09-19 18:13 <Ubit> it should work yes
2016-09-19 18:20 <WindChimes_> i see working to physical object. But attached do not work
2016-09-19 18:21 <Ubit> attached doesn't use physics
2016-09-19 18:21 <Ubit> attachments
2016-09-19 18:22 <Ubit> so should be the same as with bullet etc
2016-09-19 18:22 <WindChimes_> at sl llMoveToTarget works to attachment object so, can move the avatar
2016-09-19 18:22 <Ubit> it should move the avatar
2016-09-19 18:23 <Ubit> im telling that the code uses physics only on physicsal objects, not attachments
2016-09-19 18:24 <Ubit> attachments should move the avatar using code that is not part of physics engines
2016-09-19 18:24 <Ubit> see ?
2016-09-19 18:27 <Ubit> what hell
2016-09-19 18:28 <Ubit> why do i have a car at  z = -1.4e15m ??
2016-09-19 18:32 <AliciaRaven> loose parking break?
2016-09-19 18:32 <Ubit> guess so :)
2016-09-19 18:33 <Ubit> Location              : <65.44994, 83.44842, -2.161961E+10> @ ubittest13
2016-09-19 18:33 <Ubit> lol
2016-09-19 18:33 <Ubit> OHH  i have 2 
2016-09-19 18:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #5008 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-19 18:49 <Plugh> Is there any known problems with the online status as shown in the GridUser table? I've got people that it says are online that are not. 
2016-09-19 18:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5008: SUCCESS in 5 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5008/
2016-09-19 18:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid a null ref
2016-09-19 18:53 <Plugh> Perhaps the GridUser table isn't being updated properly when a new user logs in or out.
2016-09-19 18:54 <AliciaRaven> Plugh, if the viewer crashes or even if they hg to another grid then logout from there, it can cause the griduser table to not get updated and show they are still online
2016-09-19 18:54 <AliciaRaven> its an issue i have notices aswell
2016-09-19 18:55 <Ubit> i did break my lsl engine now lol
2016-09-19 18:56 <Ubit> trying again to have key be a true type not string
2016-09-19 18:56 <Ubit> no ideia what the original problem was
2016-09-19 18:57 <Plugh> Robust tells me a user is not online but the GridUser table says they are
2016-09-19 18:58 <Plugh> The Robust console shows more recent login/logout times than is in the database table.
2016-09-19 18:58 <Ubit> outch  big flood of script errors lol
2016-09-19 18:58 <Plugh> Is != and == really supposed to work with strings? Aren't those meant for numeric types?
2016-09-19 18:59 <AliciaRaven> yes they work with strings, any data type
2016-09-19 18:59 <Plugh> ok. Some languages they won't. A string will have a numeric value of 0.
2016-09-19 18:59 <Ubit> it works for strings also
2016-09-19 18:59 <Ubit> lsl strings
2016-09-19 19:00 <Ubit> prob it that rule for keys is diferent
2016-09-19 19:00 <Plugh> Could be. One test would be cast the keys to strings and see if the comparisons work or not.
2016-09-19 19:00 <Ubit> keys are there as a type
2016-09-19 19:01 <AliciaRaven> i thought if it was comparing as a string it would test "00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000" as "UUID_NULL" or whatever and be wrong, i think it should convert to uuid data type before doing a comparison
2016-09-19 19:01 <Ubit> but several broken things on its use, and  a short cut to make them just be lsl_strings
2016-09-19 19:01 <Ubit> have all that fixed
2016-09-19 19:01 <Ubit> just having a fight with a event
2016-09-19 19:01 <Plugh> Ubit, I meant that the LSL test script should cast keys to string then do comparison to see if strings can be tested using == and !=
2016-09-19 19:02 <Plugh> If so it is an issue with how keys are handled.
2016-09-19 19:02 <Ubit> thats done 
2016-09-19 19:02 <Ubit> see lsltypes.cs
2016-09-19 19:02 <Ubit> strings also have a override for the if cases etc
2016-09-19 19:02 <Plugh> I wish there was a way to flush the online status from Robust to the DB
2016-09-19 19:03 <Ubit> prob is that key type is not in use
2016-09-19 19:03 <Ubit> its hardwired to be == string
2016-09-19 19:03 <Ubit> well let me find the issue with this event
2016-09-19 19:04 <Ubit> ( in time ppl started adding things to the script engine just using string in place of key
2016-09-19 19:04 <Ubit> so need to clean that up to see the original problem
2016-09-19 19:07 <Ubit> yeap arguments list
2016-09-19 19:08 <Plugh> There is something really screwey about the scripting engine. It might be a var issue. I don't know.
2016-09-19 19:09 <Ubit> bah null key defined as string
2016-09-19 19:09 <Plugh> I do an llOwnerSay() before and after an llSay(). The owner say messages appear in the chat window but the output from llSay does not appear when done in one object but it does in another object that uses the identical script.
2016-09-19 19:11 <Plugh> The object that doesn't do the llSay also appears to not be listening properly as it isn't showing that it received the message from another nearby device.
2016-09-19 19:11 <Ubit> llsay is afected by distance
2016-09-19 19:12 <Plugh> I'm standing in between the two objects that are within less than a meter of each other.
2016-09-19 19:12 <Plugh> All three objects are within the distance of a whisper.
2016-09-19 19:13 <Plugh> Less than 5 meters from one device to the other two.
2016-09-19 19:14 <Ubit> channel is 0 ? :)
2016-09-19 19:14 <Plugh> It is for the llSay
2016-09-19 19:14 <Ubit> then you should receive it
2016-09-19 19:14 <Ubit> llSay is working
2016-09-19 19:15 <Plugh> yes, it does work in one device but not the other.
2016-09-19 19:15 <Plugh> It doesn't make any sense.
2016-09-19 19:17 <Plugh> Regarding the online status in the DB perhaps I should just set everyone offline then see if it properly reflects online status after people have relogged.
2016-09-19 19:48 <Plugh> um... this is strange -> [REMOTE SIMULATION CONNECTOR]: Remote simulator Fashion Emporium 1 did not accept compressed transfer, suggest updating it.
2016-09-19 19:48 <Plugh> This is in the Robust console for a non-HG grid.
2016-09-19 19:48 <Plugh> all regions are running the same version of code.
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2016-09-19 23:00 <Ubit> ohh my.. changes in 21 files
2016-09-19 23:02 <Ubit> why did i decide to do this.. silly me :)
2016-09-20 02:02 <Plugh> 21 files to fix handling of == and != with keys?
2016-09-20 14:53 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: ping
2016-09-20 15:00 <jakdaniels_> Plugh: pong
2016-09-20 15:01 <Plugh> jakdaniels_: I'm having trouble getting the birds module working in master
2016-09-20 15:01 <Plugh> The module shows in 'show modules' but birds-stats says no such command.
2016-09-20 15:04 <jakdaniels_> OK. I have it working fine on dev master. Firstly on sim start do you see some stuff like this? :
2016-09-20 15:04 <jakdaniels_> http://pastebin.com/Fp3dqeE1
2016-09-20 15:09 <jakdaniels_> and secondly do you have something like this in your Regions.ini (as well as any other region specific parameters) :
2016-09-20 15:09 <jakdaniels_> http://pastebin.com/Vrdj85rC
2016-09-20 15:11 <Plugh> I do now. I had the birds ini in the wrong place.
2016-09-20 15:12 <Plugh> I'll be adding it back to a grid later. When I first went to 0.9 I found a number of regions wouldn't start properly until I removed the  birds module.
2016-09-20 15:12 <jakdaniels_> it can go in two places. Either in (bin/)addon-modules/OpenSimBirds/config/*.ini
2016-09-20 15:12 <jakdaniels_> or in your Regions.ini under the relevant named section for the region
2016-09-20 15:13 <jakdaniels_> I prefer to place the config for the region in Regions.ini
2016-09-20 15:14 <jakdaniels_> (but I use my own scripts to create my runtime configs and region configs from lots of separate .inis, combined into one big global config and one big region config per instance)
2016-09-20 15:16 <jakdaniels_> ... the very very undocumented https://github.com/JakDaniels/MIOS ;)
2016-09-20 15:16 <jakdaniels_> Anyway, hope the birds are flying for you now :)
2016-09-20 15:17 <Plugh> oh, interesting. I didn't think about putting it in the Regions.ini file.
2016-09-20 15:18 <Plugh> yup. They are flying around once more. Took me a moment to find them.
2016-09-20 15:18 <jakdaniels_> It make the most sense there.... it's a per region setb of parameters
2016-09-20 15:18 <Plugh> right
2016-09-20 15:19 <Plugh> I'm using the addon-modules location as my ini generation wouldn't handle the extra parameters in the regions ini
2016-09-20 15:22 <jakdaniels_> my MIOS system combines the default Opensim.ini and OpensimDefaults.ini and the grid inis together into one (in a predicatble order), then adds data from override inis (so I can keep changed setting for say map generation without editing opensim.ini), then also combines Region specific inis together (and sets the new path in the global ini). So Opensim is started with just one big ini file and one big region.ini file using 
2016-09-20 15:22 <jakdaniels_> --inimaster=empty.ini --inifile=combined.ini
2016-09-20 16:11 <Plugh> I do something similar.
2016-09-20 16:12 <Plugh> I generate on OS.ini file from a database. It has settings from OS.ini that are not in the OSD.ini or settings to override the ones in OSD.ini
2016-09-20 16:12 <Plugh> The regions ini is also generated from a database but it only contains the standard region info.
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2016-09-20 19:06 <Plugh> Ubit, Is there any specific testing you would like people to do to make sure baking is working correctly?
2016-09-20 20:46 <osmantis> Bug #8026:04 "Runtime Error in script... Could not load type 'list' from assembly..." Script fails to function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8026 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-09-20 22:44 <TheGreat_> llRegionSayTo dont work to attachment object ? i am testing but just works to objects rezzed on the ground
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2016-09-21 00:11 <TheGreat_> i see an issue about llRegionSayTo when attachment sent the information to llGetKey() of object, not to avatar UUID.
2016-09-21 00:23 <TheGreat_> llRegionSayTo case attachment works only to channel 0. At SL works to all channels
2016-09-21 00:30 <TheGreat_> llRegionSayTo("0919f444-b26e-4998-86e3-c3fbde5dd255",5298,"Seding to llGetKey() attachment object - works fine");         llRegionSayTo(llGetOwner(),5298,"Do not work to attachment object");         llRegionSayTo(llGetOwner(),0,"working to attachment object to channel 0 only");
2016-09-21 00:38 <osmantis> Bug #8027:04 llRegionSayTo issue about attachment object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8027 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2016-09-21 08:41 <osmantis> Bug #8026:04 "Runtime Error in script... Could not load type 'list' from assembly..." Script fails to function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8026 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-09-21 08:41 <osmantis> Bug #8026:04 "Runtime Error in script... Could not load type 'list' from assembly..." Script fails to function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8026 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-09-21 08:42 <osmantis> Bug #8026:04 "Runtime Error in script... Could not load type 'list' from assembly..." Script fails to function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8026 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-21 09:22 <osmantis> Bug #8026:04 "Runtime Error in script... Could not load type 'list' from assembly..." Script fails to function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8026 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-21 13:10 <Ubit> oops
2016-09-21 13:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #5009 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-21 13:11 <Ubit> grrr
2016-09-21 13:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5009: FAILURE in 2 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5009/
2016-09-21 13:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ****DANGER**** try to make LSL_Types.key to work. bin/ScriptEngines contents must be deleted to recompile scripts. Needs more testing on all uses of key type ****DANGER****
2016-09-21 13:13 <Ubit> well at least i can see what jenkis has to say
2016-09-21 13:15 <osmantis> Bug #8027:04 llRegionSayTo issue about attachment object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8027 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-21 13:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #5010 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5008 1 day 18 hr ago)
2016-09-21 13:27 <Ubit> btw don't use master now
2016-09-21 13:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5010: STILL FAILING in 5 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5010/
2016-09-21 13:28 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: missing file
2016-09-21 13:28 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: kick mr jenkins
2016-09-21 13:30 <Matova> about http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8027 there are a form to register the child UUID to attachment objects ? i did a test and works only to root object to sent msg using llRegionSayTo() to a channel != 0
2016-09-21 13:30 <Ubit> seen that, but cant work on it now
2016-09-21 13:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #5011 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #5008 1 day 18 hr ago)
2016-09-21 13:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5011: STILL FAILING in 4 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5011/
2016-09-21 13:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a  cast
2016-09-21 13:46 <Ubit> ok thats only a bad test
2016-09-21 14:08 <Matova> current update says this message: System.MissingMethodException: Method 'ScriptBaseClass.llRegionSayTo' not found.
2016-09-21 14:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #5012 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #5008 1 day 19 hr ago)
2016-09-21 14:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5012: STILL FAILING in 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5012/
2016-09-21 14:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: revert LSLkey code moved to a branch
2016-09-21 14:15 <Ubit> err
2016-09-21 14:27 <Ubit> ok master should be ok now
2016-09-21 14:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #5013 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #5008 1 day 20 hr ago)
2016-09-21 14:50 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-09-21 14:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5013: FIXED in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5013/
2016-09-21 15:56 <osmantis> Bug #8026:04 "Runtime Error in script... Could not load type 'list' from assembly..." Script fails to function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8026 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-21 19:30 <osmantis> Bug #8026:04 "Runtime Error in script... Could not load type 'list' from assembly..." Script fails to function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8026 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-21 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #8026:04 "Runtime Error in script... Could not load type 'list' from assembly..." Script fails to function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8026 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-21 20:54 <osmantis> Bug #8026:04 "Runtime Error in script... Could not load type 'list' from assembly..." Script fails to function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8026 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-21 21:12 <osmantis> Bug #8026:04 "Runtime Error in script... Could not load type 'list' from assembly..." Script fails to function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8026 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-21 21:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #5014 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-09-21 21:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5014: SUCCESS in 5 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5014/
2016-09-21 21:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  check for null target, minor cleanup
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2016-09-21 22:16 <osmantis> Bug #8026:04 "Runtime Error in script... Could not load type 'list' from assembly..." Script fails to function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8026 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-21 22:25 <osmantis> Bug #8027:04 llRegionSayTo issue about attachment object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8027 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-21 23:21 <osmantis> Bug #8028:04 Openjsim 0.8.2.1  NPC Are Not Working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8028 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-09-21 23:36 <osmantis> Bug #8028:04 Openjsim 0.8.2.1  NPC Are Not Working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8028 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-09-21 23:36 <Ubit> i do like selfresolving mantis issues :)
2016-09-21 23:37 <osmantis> Bug #8028:04 Openjsim 0.8.2.1  NPC Are Not Working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8028 ): has been CLOSED
2016-09-22 01:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #5015 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-22 01:07 <osmantis> Bug #8027:04 llRegionSayTo issue about attachment object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8027 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-22 01:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5015: SUCCESS in 5 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5015/
2016-09-22 01:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8027: allow messages to be sent to attachments child prims in llRegionSayTo
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2016-09-22 03:49 <osmantis> Bug #8027:04 llRegionSayTo issue about attachment object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8027 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-22 10:41 <osmantis> Bug #6341:04 [PATCH] Adds PERMISSION_TELEPORT constant to LSL_Constants.cs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6341 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-09-22 11:35 <osmantis> Bug #8027:04 llRegionSayTo issue about attachment object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8027 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-22 12:32 <scastillop11178> HI!
2016-09-22 12:32 <scastillop11178> ??
2016-09-22 12:33 <scastillop11178> Anyone is developing login via https?
2016-09-22 15:37 <scastillop11178> Hi!!
2016-09-22 15:40 <scastillop11178> Is there anybody?
2016-09-22 15:45 <Plugh> I haven't seen anybody but if you have a question, ask.
2016-09-22 15:46 <Plugh> :)
2016-09-22 16:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #5016 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-22 16:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5016: SUCCESS in 6 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5016/
2016-09-22 16:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8027: let osMessageAttachments also send to attachments child prims.. also changed its code structure and could not test
2016-09-22 16:11 <osmantis> Bug #8027:04 llRegionSayTo issue about attachment object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8027 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-22 16:15 <AndChat|491321> Hi! I am intereses in developing https login. Anyone working in this issue?
2016-09-22 16:41 <Ubit> think we do have https, including on loginservice
2016-09-22 16:41 <Ubit> but never tested
2016-09-22 16:41 <Ubit> well i know we have https...  lol
2016-09-22 18:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #5017 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-22 18:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5017: SUCCESS in 5 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5017/
2016-09-22 18:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: no need to send wind on avatar arrival when it is sent periodicly
2016-09-22 20:12 <Matova> anyone has the same error to osNpcCreate return only NULL_KEY ?
2016-09-22 20:16 <Ubit> check the parameters etc
2016-09-22 20:17 <Matova> i am using something like npc = osNpcCreate(firstname, lastname, llGetPos() + <1.0,0.0,0.0>, llGetOwner());
2016-09-22 20:18 <Ubit> don't you need a notecard name somewhere there ?
2016-09-22 20:18 <Matova> same problem
2016-09-22 20:18 <Matova> using uuid or notecard
2016-09-22 20:18 <Matova> and.. using the option parameter comes with error
2016-09-22 20:18 <Ubit> a) do you have a good notcard?
2016-09-22 20:19 <Ubit> ( in the prim contents)
2016-09-22 20:19 <Matova> i am using osAgentSaveAppearance(llDetectedKey(0), "name_av");
2016-09-22 20:20 <Ubit> and that created a good notecard ?
2016-09-22 20:20 <Matova> yes
2016-09-22 20:20 <Matova> <llsd>   <map>     <key>serial</key>     <integer>1</integer>     <key>height</key>...
2016-09-22 20:22 <Matova> using  key osNpcCreate(string firstname, string lastname, vector position, string cloneFrom) return NULL_KEY
2016-09-22 20:22 <Ubit> npc = osNpcCreate(firstname, lastname, llGetPos() + <1.0,0.0,0.0>, NoteCardName);
2016-09-22 20:23 <Matova> using key osNpcCreate(string firstname, string lastname, vector position, string cloneFrom, integer options) return an error
2016-09-22 20:23 <Matova> using notecardName return Null_KEY too
2016-09-22 20:23 <Ubit>  cloneFrom is the notecard name
2016-09-22 20:23 <Ubit> in the prim contents
2016-09-22 20:24 <Matova> need just 1 prim, right?
2016-09-22 20:24 <Ubit> yeap
2016-09-22 20:24 <Matova> i am using just 1 default prim
2016-09-22 20:24 <Ubit> a example:
2016-09-22 20:24 <Ubit>                 osOwnerSaveAppearance("appearance");
2016-09-22 20:24 <Ubit>                 vector pos = llGetPos();
2016-09-22 20:24 <Ubit>                 integer i;
2016-09-22 20:24 <Ubit>                 for (i = 0; i < (integer)msg1; i++)
2016-09-22 20:24 <Ubit>                 {
2016-09-22 20:24 <Ubit>                     osNpcCreate("John", "Doe", pos + <8, 0, 0>, "appearance");
2016-09-22 20:24 <Ubit>                     llSleep(1);
2016-09-22 20:24 <Ubit>                 }
2016-09-22 20:25 <Matova> let me see
2016-09-22 20:25 <Ubit> hmmm
2016-09-22 20:26 <Ubit> complex example :)
2016-09-22 20:26 <Ubit> no need for the for loop
2016-09-22 20:28 <Matova> yes, i will remove the for
2016-09-22 20:29 <Matova> same result: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000
2016-09-22 20:30 <Matova> about llRegionSayTo works fine now :) was tested using child prim attached.
2016-09-22 20:32 <Ubit> ok i made this test script:
2016-09-22 20:32 <Ubit> key av = NULL_KEY;
2016-09-22 20:32 <Ubit> default
2016-09-22 20:32 <Ubit> {
2016-09-22 20:32 <Ubit>     state_entry()
2016-09-22 20:32 <Ubit>     {
2016-09-22 20:32 <Ubit>         llSay(0, "Script running");
2016-09-22 20:32 <Ubit>     }
2016-09-22 20:32 <Ubit>     touch_start(integer n)
2016-09-22 20:32 <Ubit>     {
2016-09-22 20:32 <Ubit>         if(av == NULL_KEY)
2016-09-22 20:32 <Ubit>         {
2016-09-22 20:32 <Ubit>             osOwnerSaveAppearance("appearance");
2016-09-22 20:32 <Ubit> flood control :)
2016-09-22 20:32 <Matova> lol yes
2016-09-22 20:33 <Ubit> what was the last line ?
2016-09-22 20:33 <Matova> osOwnerSaveAppearance("appearance");
2016-09-22 20:33 <Ubit>            vector pos = llGetPos();
2016-09-22 20:33 <Ubit>             av = osNpcCreate("John", "Doe", pos + <8, 0, 0>, "appearance");
2016-09-22 20:33 <Ubit>             llSay(0,(string) av);
2016-09-22 20:33 <Ubit>         }
2016-09-22 20:33 <Ubit>         else
2016-09-22 20:33 <Ubit>         {
2016-09-22 20:33 <Ubit>             osNpcRemove(av);
2016-09-22 20:33 <Ubit>             av = NULL_KEY;
2016-09-22 20:33 <Ubit>         }
2016-09-22 20:33 <Ubit>     }
2016-09-22 20:33 <Ubit> }
2016-09-22 20:33 <Ubit> END
2016-09-22 20:34 <Matova> works fine to you?
2016-09-22 20:34 <Ubit> yeap
2016-09-22 20:34 <Matova> let me try again
2016-09-22 20:34 <Ubit> well i have a extra npc there bc i forgot to add the remove code on first try :)
2016-09-22 20:35 <Ubit> [13:35] Object: 96dafa76-5585-4cbf-8379-2e1e040b99ce   and a new NPC
2016-09-22 20:35 <Ubit> also a notecard named "app.. " shows up on the prim
2016-09-22 20:35 <Ubit> so working fine..
2016-09-22 20:36 <Ubit> err you do have ossl.ini set to allow osNPC things right?
2016-09-22 20:36 <Matova> yes
2016-09-22 20:36 <Matova> osslEnable.ini
2016-09-22 20:37 <Ubit> yeap that one
2016-09-22 20:37 <Matova> but cant create, just NULL_KEY.
2016-09-22 20:38 <Ubit> try this script
2016-09-22 20:38 <Matova> i am using [OSSL] Include-osslEnable = "config-include/osslEnable.ini"
2016-09-22 20:38 <Ubit> hmm you are the parcel owner?
2016-09-22 20:38 <Matova> yes
2016-09-22 20:38 <Ubit> yes
2016-09-22 20:39 <Ubit> but on the osslEnable.ini  you need to allow osNPC funtions
2016-09-22 20:39 <Matova> yes, was add my UUID
2016-09-22 20:39 <Ubit> but if they are not, you should see a script errot
2016-09-22 20:40 <Matova> yes, no error
2016-09-22 20:40 <Matova> just return NULL_KEY
2016-09-22 20:40 <Ubit> the notecard was created?
2016-09-22 20:41 <Matova> yes
2016-09-22 20:41 <Matova> name: appearance
2016-09-22 20:42 <Ubit> well almost all fail cases display a error
2016-09-22 20:43 <Matova> no error. Received error if try to use options
2016-09-22 20:43 <Matova> if used: osNpcCreate(string firstname, string lastname, vector position, string cloneFrom, integer options)
2016-09-22 20:43 <Matova> comes with error
2016-09-22 20:44 <Ubit> what error ?
2016-09-22 20:44 <Matova> let me try with options
2016-09-22 20:45 <Matova>  System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation.
2016-09-22 20:45 <Matova> Server stack trace:    at System.Reflection.MonoMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) <0x86716d20 + 0x000e3> in <filename unknown>:0    at System.Reflection.MethodBase.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Object[] parameters) <0x867440c0 + 0x00039> in <filename unknown>:0    at OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Sha
2016-09-22 20:46 <Matova> Exception rethrown at [0]:   ---> System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
2016-09-22 20:46 <Matova> using like it: av = osNpcCreate("John", "Doe", pos + <8, 0, 0>, "appearance",OS_NPC_CREATOR_OWNED);
2016-09-22 20:46 <Ubit> i only got up to i"n <filename unknown>:0    at OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Sha"
2016-09-22 20:47 <Ubit> the good part was after that :p
2016-09-22 20:47 <Ubit> ( line numbers )
2016-09-22 20:48 <Ubit> av = osNpcCreate("John", "Doe", pos + <8, 0, 0>, "appearance",OS_NPC_CREATOR_OWNED);
2016-09-22 20:48 <Ubit> worked fine
2016-09-22 20:48 <Matova> last commit?
2016-09-22 20:48 <Ubit> what version are you using ?
2016-09-22 20:48 <Matova> last commit
2016-09-22 20:49 <Ubit> im running last commit also and all fine :(
2016-09-22 20:49 <Matova> not last commit, i see there are 2 news commit
2016-09-22 20:49 <Ubit> well didn't changed this part of code
2016-09-22 20:50 <Ubit> and that last error is very strange
2016-09-22 20:50 <Ubit> what is after filename unknown>:0    at OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Sha   ?
2016-09-22 20:50 <Matova> my last commit was the date 2016-09-22 01:05
2016-09-22 20:51 <Matova>   at OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Shared.Api.OSSL_Api.NpcCreate (System.String firstname, System.String lastname, Vector3 position, System.String notecard, Boolean owne
2016-09-22 20:52 <Ubit> more...
2016-09-22 20:52 <Matova> let me do a print
2016-09-22 20:54 <Matova> http://prntscr.com/cl722r
2016-09-22 20:55 <Ubit> hmm odd where is the rest of the stack trace?
2016-09-22 20:56 <Ubit> open opensim.ini
2016-09-22 20:56 <Ubit> see if you have:
2016-09-22 20:57 <Ubit> [NPC]    ;# {Enabled} {} {Enable Non Player Character (NPC) facilities} {true false} false    Enabled = true
2016-09-22 20:57 <Matova> let me see
2016-09-22 20:57 <Ubit> irc lost the line formats sorry
2016-09-22 20:57 <Matova> my NPC] is a reference to the include
2016-09-22 20:58 <Matova> so on the ini is enabled
2016-09-22 20:58 <Ubit> what include?
2016-09-22 20:58 <Matova> ah wait, let me check NPC
2016-09-22 20:59 <Ubit> there should be no include there
2016-09-22 20:59 <Ubit> its only a few options ( see opensim.ini.example)
2016-09-22 21:00 <Matova> ah yes, is not true lol
2016-09-22 21:00 <Matova> false, let me restart to test, i think now will works
2016-09-22 21:00 <Ubit> well don't see why the damm code doesn't detect that
2016-09-22 21:01 <Ubit>            INPCModule module = World.RequestModuleInterface<INPCModule>();
2016-09-22 21:01 <Ubit>             if(module == null)
2016-09-22 21:01 <Ubit>                 new LSL_Key(UUID.Zero.ToString());
2016-09-22 21:01 <Ubit> should do it
2016-09-22 21:01 <Matova> was ignored
2016-09-22 21:01 <Matova> just return NULL_KEY without error
2016-09-22 21:01 <Ubit> ok let me add errors there also
2016-09-22 21:02 <Ubit> but the case with option should not trigger a error  just return null
2016-09-22 21:03 <Ubit> LOL
2016-09-22 21:03 <Ubit> where is the return??
2016-09-22 21:03 <Ubit> in so good :)
2016-09-22 21:04 <Matova> lol
2016-09-22 21:09 <Ubit> ok wait for jenkins.. if it is happy pull and recompile :)
2016-09-22 21:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #5018 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-22 21:09 <Matova> i will get this last version to test
2016-09-22 21:10 <Ubit> with NPC Enable = false , it should say a error now
2016-09-22 21:10 <Ubit> to make this debug cases easier
2016-09-22 21:11 <Ubit> uff i do need new glasses... 
2016-09-22 21:11 <Ubit> well i need those for more than a yr now :)
2016-09-22 21:11 <Ubit> on the other hand.. i always made mistakes like that even with good glasses ;)
2016-09-22 21:12 <Matova> lol but was fine :) fixed
2016-09-22 21:12 <Matova> is ok to get last commit?
2016-09-22 21:13 <Ubit> jenkis should be about to end
2016-09-22 21:13 <Ubit> ( jenkis don't let me down.. )
2016-09-22 21:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5018: SUCCESS in 6 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5018/
2016-09-22 21:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: bug fix: add a missing return; add some error messages
2016-09-22 21:14 <Ubit> this includes the llRegionSayTo things
2016-09-22 21:15 <Ubit> ok.. 
2016-09-22 21:15 <Ubit> jenkins is happy :)
2016-09-22 21:18 <Matova> yeah lol let me get. I like to test the version. before, when you changes to the neighbor sim takes minimal freeze. Now, has more freeze
2016-09-22 21:18 <Ubit> ??
2016-09-22 21:18 <Ubit> what freezes ?
2016-09-22 21:19 <Matova> walking to other sim
2016-09-22 21:20 <Ubit> that still depends on grid services
2016-09-22 21:20 <Matova> before the freeze time was minimal. Now you walk walk walk after back to start
2016-09-22 21:20 <Ubit> its as before on my test sim
2016-09-22 21:21 <Ubit> but it is very dependent on comms to grid and to the other sim
2016-09-22 21:21 <Ubit> and first crossing may take longer
2016-09-22 21:21 <Matova> yes.
2016-09-22 21:21 <Ubit> specially if vehicles or attachments
2016-09-22 21:22 <Matova> normal walk
2016-09-22 21:22 <Ubit> i last commits i did reduce  grid calls
2016-09-22 21:22 <Matova> or fly
2016-09-22 21:22 <Ubit> but still there
2016-09-22 21:22 <Ubit> well last about that..
2016-09-22 21:23 <Matova> before, the time no more 1 second, now middle 8 seconds
2016-09-22 21:23 <Matova> but i will test again
2016-09-22 21:23 <Ubit> i don't see any changes that could made it worse
2016-09-22 21:24 <Ubit> guess circuntances are worse ( comms etc )
2016-09-22 21:25 <Matova> i did 2 empty sims at same robust server
2016-09-22 21:26 <Ubit> just crossed on my test setup ( 2 regions on same instance at osg) no delay at all
2016-09-22 21:26 <Ubit> simple avatar
2016-09-22 21:26 <Ubit> this used to take 2 seconds or more
2016-09-22 21:27 <Ubit> ( comms to osg since its same instance )
2016-09-22 21:27 <Ubit> 22:27:16 - [CompleteMovement]: attachments: 47ms
2016-09-22 21:27 <Ubit> 22:27:17 - [CompleteMovement]: openChildAgents: 375ms
2016-09-22 21:27 <Ubit> 22:27:17 - [CompleteMovement]: SendInitialDataToMe: 375ms
2016-09-22 21:27 <Ubit> 22:27:17 - [CompleteMovement]: friendsModule: 375ms
2016-09-22 21:27 <Ubit> 22:27:17 - [CompleteMovement]: end: 375ms
2016-09-22 21:28 <Ubit> openChildAgents as a call to grid
2016-09-22 21:29 <Ubit> hmm it should the damm thing should be in cache .. hmm
2016-09-22 21:29 <Matova> i will empty the cache
2016-09-22 21:29 <Ubit> not that cache
2016-09-22 21:29 <Ubit> don't empty :p
2016-09-22 21:29 <Matova> opensim cache?
2016-09-22 21:30 <Ubit> no internal cache of known regions
2016-09-22 21:30 <Ubit> well ill review why openchild is taking 300ms still :)
2016-09-22 21:31 <Ubit> ( in same instance.. normal if on diferent ones hmm i guess )
2016-09-22 21:34 <Ubit> ahh yes still does a grid call :(
2016-09-22 21:35 <Matova> [XEngine]: Started 650 scripts.. to compile 1300scripts on the sim take many time ? when restart the opensim
2016-09-22 21:35 <Ubit> yeap and i made that worse :(
2016-09-22 21:35 <Ubit> does take a bit more time now that before
2016-09-22 21:36 <Ubit> but hopefully uses less peak memory
2016-09-22 21:36 <Matova> middle 50 / minute. So thats fine. If get less memory after compiled, this is good
2016-09-22 21:36 <Ubit> don't delete the scripts
2016-09-22 21:36 <Ubit> unless on code updates
2016-09-22 21:37 <Ubit> ie delete the bin/ScriptEngines folder contents  when updating the bin
2016-09-22 21:38 <Ubit> well if you see commits telling to 
2016-09-22 21:38 <Matova> yes
2016-09-22 21:39 <Ubit> DeleteScriptsOnStartup = false
2016-09-22 21:39 <Ubit> setting to true doesn't help much
2016-09-22 21:40 <Ubit> if we change the script engine it even doesn't delete all data 
2016-09-22 21:41 <Ubit> ( the branch LSLKeyTest for example .. you need to delete the folder contents )
2016-09-22 21:41 <Matova> i need remove to better peformance?
2016-09-22 21:41 <Ubit> set to false 
2016-09-22 21:42 <Ubit> and delete the bin/scrip  by hand as needed
2016-09-22 21:42 <Matova> what parameter name?
2016-09-22 21:42 <Ubit> DeleteScriptsOnStartup = false
2016-09-22 21:43 <Matova> can i remove bin/ScriptEngines ?
2016-09-22 21:43 <Ubit> delete the contents  yes
2016-09-22 21:43 <Matova> i will do now
2016-09-22 21:43 <Ubit> but only on binary updates
2016-09-22 21:43 <Ubit> not NOW lol
2016-09-22 21:43 <Ubit> you should not need on this update
2016-09-22 21:45 <Ubit> that folder contents only need to be deleted on major update ( like 0,8 to 0,9 )  or if we make big changes to the script compilation code
2016-09-22 21:46 <Ubit> ( like the ones on the LSLKeyTest branch )
2016-09-22 21:52 <Matova> hey now is ok the bot :)
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2016-09-23 11:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #5019 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-23 11:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5019: SUCCESS in 6 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5019/
2016-09-23 11:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: move wind generation out of heartbeat to a pool job. Use that to send to all clients and not one per client
2016-09-23 11:44 <osmantis> Bug #6341:04 [PATCH] Adds PERMISSION_TELEPORT constant to LSL_Constants.cs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6341 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-09-23 12:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #5020 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-23 12:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5020: SUCCESS in 5 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5020/
2016-09-23 12:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a version tag to wind and cloud data updates to iclient
2016-09-23 12:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #5021 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-23 12:57 <Ubit> not data ... packets! grrr
2016-09-23 13:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5021: SUCCESS in 5 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5021/
2016-09-23 13:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cache wind compressed data so cpu burning compression is only done after a change. Not happy with version scheme for several regions on same instance, but should be ok for now
2016-09-23 13:02 <Ubit> clouds are still in use by viewers?
2016-09-23 13:03 <Ubit> well ill do the same for them after a break into rl 
2016-09-23 13:18 <nebadon> 
ACTION waves

2016-09-23 13:18 <nebadon> back from Belgium :)
2016-09-23 13:26 <Ubit> 
ACTION waves back

2016-09-23 13:30 <Ubit> err clouds are only sent on login ?
2016-09-23 14:05 <nebadon> arent clouds a Viewer side thing?
2016-09-23 14:05 <nebadon> windlight?
2016-09-23 14:05 <Ubit> on new yes
2016-09-23 14:06 <nebadon> oh super aincent particle clouds?
2016-09-23 14:06 <Ubit> but singu still also shows this legacy ones
2016-09-23 14:06 <Ubit> 1.8.7 i mean
2016-09-23 14:06 <nebadon> i never noticed that
2016-09-23 14:06 <Ubit> and they are diferent
2016-09-23 14:06 <Ubit> they are at 200m  you can fly on them
2016-09-23 14:07 <Ubit> not on the windlight ones i think
2016-09-23 14:07 <Ubit> or we can?
2016-09-23 14:08 <Ubit> ohh my clounds don't move  hmm  guess it is not enough to send only at login
2016-09-23 14:08 <Ubit> odd wind should move them
2016-09-23 14:09 <Ubit> well seens no one is using this
2016-09-23 14:09 <Ubit> the default timing settings are pretty wrong
2016-09-23 14:09 <Ubit> ( wind also )
2016-09-23 14:15 <Ubit> ooops ooops  red spam on console  :)
2016-09-23 14:15 <Ubit> im so clever.. locking on a null object
2016-09-23 14:19 <Ubit> damm why don't they move ?
2016-09-23 14:20 <Ubit> oops and no clouds on a large region
2016-09-23 14:30 <Ubit> Ohh they only move if sun moves
2016-09-23 14:31 <Ubit> hmm not nice with random wind
2016-09-23 14:34 <Ubit> my clounds mooooveeee
2016-09-23 14:34 <Ubit> :)
2016-09-23 14:35 <Ubit> damm none on  the large region
2016-09-23 15:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #5022 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-23 15:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5022: SUCCESS in 5 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5022/
2016-09-23 15:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do the same for legacy clouds (still visible on older viewer ie singu 1.8.7). Fix clouds update. Send clouds and wind also to child agents.
2016-09-23 15:15 <Ubit> uff singu does do large region clouds :(
2016-09-23 15:15 <Ubit> does not
2016-09-23 15:19 <nebadon> that does not surprise me
2016-09-23 15:19 <nebadon> do other viewers?
2016-09-23 15:19 <Ubit> seems to do winf
2016-09-23 15:20 <Ubit> wind
2016-09-23 15:20 <Ubit> FS deleted old clouds
2016-09-23 15:20 <nebadon> yes wind isnt legacy though
2016-09-23 15:20 <nebadon> I am actually suprised any viewer does old clouds
2016-09-23 15:20 <nebadon> i havent seen old clouds in years
2016-09-23 15:20 <nebadon> even when using Singularity or Replex
2016-09-23 15:20 <Ubit> well we do hate them :)
2016-09-23 15:21 <Ubit> they should have a Z placement setting
2016-09-23 15:21 <Ubit> bc problem was they getting inside builds etc if terrain near 200m
2016-09-23 15:22 <Ubit> but we can fly on them...
2016-09-23 15:22 <Ubit> so can be funny no ?
2016-09-23 15:22 <Ubit> hmm but this generator needs improvement
2016-09-23 15:23 <nebadon> yea I remember constantly disabling it in SL
2016-09-23 15:23 <Ubit> on same instance we see repetions of the cloulds lol
2016-09-23 15:23 <Ubit> that was easy to fix, allowing a z setting
2016-09-23 15:23 <nebadon> yea I guess the question is, is it even worth it
2016-09-23 15:23 <nebadon> considering not all viewers support it
2016-09-23 15:23 <nebadon> I guess if there is interest in this, im not opposed :)
2016-09-23 15:24 <Ubit> well code is there.. partially works on singu.. so making it work :)
2016-09-23 15:24 <nebadon> just surprised there is any interest
2016-09-23 15:24 <nebadon> yea
2016-09-23 15:24 <Ubit> well they also don't cross
2016-09-23 15:24 <Ubit> that could be fixed i guess
2016-09-23 15:25 <Ubit> don't understand ll
2016-09-23 15:26 <nebadon> you are not alone! lol
2016-09-23 15:26 <Ubit> specially on wind.. stopping trees from moving
2016-09-23 15:26 <nebadon> that was because their customers mostly had crappy hardware
2016-09-23 15:26 <Ubit> thats a nonesense..  that effect is important for imersion
2016-09-23 15:26 <nebadon> and their motto has always been, feed the bottom dwellers
2016-09-23 15:26 <nebadon> ignore the power user
2016-09-23 15:26 <Ubit> even war games move trees with wind
2016-09-23 15:27 <nebadon> that was why they stopped publishing hardware stats
2016-09-23 15:27 <nebadon> because it was obvious
2016-09-23 15:27 <nebadon> the majority of SL users did not have modern gaming hardware
2016-09-23 15:27 <nebadon> like 5% did
2016-09-23 15:27 <nebadon> can not impress investors with those kinds of stats
2016-09-23 15:27 <Ubit> yeap can be heavy.. thats why there are tons of options :)
2016-09-23 15:27 <nebadon> you can still turn that stuff on
2016-09-23 15:27 <nebadon> with debug settings
2016-09-23 15:28 <nebadon> but no one does lol
2016-09-23 15:28 <Ubit> not clouds on sl trees
2016-09-23 15:28 <Ubit> except on singu
2016-09-23 15:28 <Ubit> or sl trees i mean
2016-09-23 15:28 <nebadon> yea
2016-09-23 15:28 <nebadon> doesnt surprise me that others cant
2016-09-23 15:28 <Ubit> don't find trees on fs
2016-09-23 15:28 <nebadon> especially firestorm
2016-09-23 15:28 <nebadon> they are not big into preserving legacy
2016-09-23 15:29 <Ubit> are they big in anything? :p
2016-09-23 15:29 <Ubit> errr ok i didn't typed that ;)
2016-09-23 15:29 <nebadon> haha
2016-09-23 15:29 <nebadon> we cant blame them
2016-09-23 15:29 <nebadon> they are just staying close to LL's decisions
2016-09-23 15:29 <nebadon> LL is the one gutting the code
2016-09-23 15:30 <nebadon> they really have no choice if they want to keep the Havok stuff
2016-09-23 15:30 <nebadon> its LL's way or the highway basically
2016-09-23 15:30 <Ubit> they still don't need the havoc stuff
2016-09-23 15:30 <Ubit> ll still only uses it for meshs
2016-09-23 15:30 <nebadon> yea
2016-09-23 15:31 <Ubit> not the rendering engines etc
2016-09-23 15:31 <nebadon> it seems like a bad trade off
2016-09-23 15:31 <nebadon> strict guidliness for very little improvement
2016-09-23 15:31 <Ubit> well LL physics is now a lot worse
2016-09-23 15:31 <nebadon> ya
2016-09-23 15:31 <nebadon> and uploading mesh to OpenSim is far easier
2016-09-23 15:32 <nebadon> uploading Mesh in SL makes me want to punch stuff
2016-09-23 15:32 <Ubit> sounds they are packing more regions per box
2016-09-23 15:32 <Ubit> so savign cpu everywhere
2016-09-23 15:32 <nebadon> id say like 90% of what i upload in opensim
2016-09-23 15:32 <nebadon> will not upload in SL
2016-09-23 15:33 <nebadon> yea they are pushing for the singularity event
2016-09-23 15:33 <nebadon> the day SL becomes 1 server
2016-09-23 15:33 <nebadon> lol
2016-09-23 15:33 <Ubit> lol
2016-09-23 15:33 <nebadon> its just a super dense crystaline cube
2016-09-23 15:33 <Ubit> damm clouds still repeating 
2016-09-23 15:34 <Ubit> looking to 2 regions from far :)
2016-09-23 16:07 <Plugh> Ubit: If the number of SL users continues to decline that could happen one day. ;)
2016-09-23 16:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #5023 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-23 16:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5023: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5023/
2016-09-23 16:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make clouds a bit diferent on regions running on same instance.. well should be diferent .. :)
2016-09-23 17:28 <Ubit> grrrr  damm
2016-09-23 17:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #5024 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-23 17:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5024: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5024/
2016-09-23 17:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix caching of wind and cloud packets in the case of several regions on a instance, that got broken with the necessary send to child agents.
2016-09-23 17:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #5025 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-23 18:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5025: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5025/
2016-09-23 18:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make sendRegionInfoPacketToAll really send to all ( inc child agents) thx Jak Daniels
2016-09-23 18:09 <jakdaniels_> Great.... been wanting that to work properly for years now :)
2016-09-23 18:10 <Ubit> :)
2016-09-23 18:10 <jakdaniels_> how big is a RegionInfoPacket?
2016-09-23 18:10 <Ubit> we don't expect me to go count the bytes do you? :p
2016-09-23 18:11 <jakdaniels_> I mean is few hundred or thousands and thousands...
2016-09-23 18:11 <Ubit> few hundred
2016-09-23 18:12 <jakdaniels_> ok cool
2016-09-23 18:17 <Ubit> yeap teleport history does not suport large regions in fs
2016-09-23 18:19 <jakdaniels_> do you notice console spits this out every time a RegionInfoPacket is sent?
2016-09-23 18:19 <jakdaniels_> [XESTATE HANDLER]: query String: METHOD=update_covenant&CovenantID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&EstateID=101
2016-09-23 18:20 <Ubit> let me find the box
2016-09-23 18:20 <Ubit> hmm nopes
2016-09-23 18:21 <jakdaniels_> I get it in the adjacent region (child agent)
2016-09-23 18:21 <jakdaniels_> It happens in the region that the water level change happens and also all bordering regions
2016-09-23 18:22 <jakdaniels_> on the console
2016-09-23 18:22 <Ubit> im running the 2 on same instance
2016-09-23 18:22 <Ubit> seems a debug
2016-09-23 18:22 <jakdaniels_> I'm using separate instnaces
2016-09-23 18:23 <jakdaniels_> it is a debug message. It's very annoying... I have to edit opensim.exe.config and set to INFO to make it go away on my sims or my log files fill up with it
2016-09-23 18:23 <Ubit> yeap mb a debug msg on that case
2016-09-23 18:23 <Ubit> all are lol
2016-09-23 18:23 <jakdaniels_> it doesn't seem to be a very useful messaage
2016-09-23 18:24 <Ubit> m_log.DebugFormat("[XESTATE HANDLER]: query String: {0}", body);
2016-09-23 18:24 <jakdaniels_> it triggers in all regions that can see a region that has changed it's region info somehow
2016-09-23 18:25 <Ubit> yeap its processing the request
2016-09-23 18:25 <Ubit> singu doesn't have tp history?
2016-09-23 18:25 <jakdaniels_> it's very noisy compared to other modules doing there stuff
2016-09-23 18:25 <jakdaniels_> ALT-H
2016-09-23 18:26 <jakdaniels_> or View/Teleport History
2016-09-23 18:27 <jakdaniels_> lol
2016-09-23 18:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #5026 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-23 18:27 <Ubit> :)
2016-09-23 18:28 <Ubit> ok you can talk again
2016-09-23 18:28 <Ubit> lol
2016-09-23 18:29 <jakdaniels_> thanks. When you have the water level changing every 50 frames to simulate tide coming in and out, it makes a lot of messages in logs on any regions in view distance
2016-09-23 18:29 <Ubit> mb you should not to that 
2016-09-23 18:29 <Ubit> :)
2016-09-23 18:29 <jakdaniels_> make a sim look more real.... you talked about immersion earlier ;)
2016-09-23 18:30 <Ubit> well 50 frames is 5s  not that bad
2016-09-23 18:30 <jakdaniels_> that message was about every 3.5 seconds in log
2016-09-23 18:30 <Ubit> yeah but you complained about 36 bytes every second on wind :p
2016-09-23 18:30 <jakdaniels_> after a week is much noise....
2016-09-23 18:31 <jakdaniels_> no.... I was wrong I misread you and thought was 36 times a second not bytes lol
2016-09-23 18:31 <Ubit> ( well 700 with the nasty random )
2016-09-23 18:31 <Ubit> ahh ok
2016-09-23 18:32 <Ubit> guess we considered me crazy when i said 700 then :p
2016-09-23 18:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5026: SUCCESS in 4 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5026/
2016-09-23 18:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mute a debug message to mute jak daniels
2016-09-23 18:33 <Ubit> 
ACTION unmutes jak again

2016-09-23 18:33 <jakdaniels_> lol... couldn't breathe with that tape on my face...
2016-09-23 18:33 <Ubit> :)
2016-09-23 18:35 <Ubit> man you left my islanded flooded 
2016-09-23 18:35 <Ubit> lol
2016-09-23 18:36 <jakdaniels_> 
ACTION hides

2016-09-23 18:36 <Ubit> my poor trees
2016-09-23 18:37 <Ubit> nopes alt+h does nothing on singu
2016-09-23 18:37 <Ubit> errr
2016-09-23 18:37 <Ubit> nopes cntr+h does nothing on singu
2016-09-23 18:37 <Ubit> :)
2016-09-23 18:38 <Ubit> hmm also broken..  on in a diferent way odd
2016-09-23 18:38 <Ubit> says 504m   when it was 764
2016-09-23 18:39 <jakdaniels_> hmmm... i'm using Replex. Must have gone from singu since...
2016-09-23 18:39 <Ubit> well FS says inside normal size 
2016-09-23 18:39 <Ubit> this reduces to 512  odd
2016-09-23 18:40 <jakdaniels_> so I just used Replex tp history to ubittest11 725,26,21 and it took me right there
2016-09-23 18:42 <Ubit> oops tps also broken
2016-09-23 18:42 <Ubit> think its a reported bug this one
2016-09-23 18:42 <Ubit> viewer bug i mean
2016-09-23 18:43 <Ubit> errr
2016-09-23 18:43 <Ubit> odd
2016-09-23 18:44 <Ubit> lol
2016-09-23 18:44 <Ubit> coff coff coff
2016-09-23 18:45 <Ubit> landing point set :)
2016-09-23 18:47 <Ubit> damm when we edit console the region freezes
2016-09-23 18:49 <jakdaniels_> I had to relog
2016-09-23 18:49 <Ubit> yeap it was that
2016-09-23 18:50 <jakdaniels_> I've noticed with console in linux on tmux (like screen) if left in scroll up mode and the region tries to write to console it can't and the region freezes
2016-09-23 19:18 <Ubit> same in win
2016-09-23 19:21 <Ubit> well fs tp history is broken
2016-09-23 19:22 <Ubit> no large regions suport ( fs 4.7.9 )
2016-09-23 19:23 <Ubit> singu 1.8.7 seems ok
2016-09-23 19:25 <Ubit> 
ACTION sits on a region edge watch the trees moving in the wind on the nearby region

2016-09-23 19:25 <Ubit> yeack so ugly the singu linden trees movemnt
2016-09-23 19:26 <Ubit> well the random wind is 2 random i guess
2016-09-23 22:40 <James_Atlloud> Hello World
2016-09-23 22:49 <James_Atlloud> Goodnight world
2016-09-23 22:53 <nebadon> you guys will probably see James around a bit more, he is an OSCC volunteer and I made him a Wiki admin for opensimulator.org
2016-09-23 22:53 <nebadon> he is going to try to attempt some wiki work :)
2016-09-23 22:53 <nebadon> so if he has questions be nice to him :)
2016-09-23 22:53 <Ubit> me? nice? nahhh
2016-09-23 22:53 <Ubit> :)
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2016-09-24 17:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #5027 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-24 17:17 <Ubit> Plugh  the linknum code is "confusing" but didn't notice any issue
2016-09-24 17:18 <Ubit> mb you can log at osg and we check the cases you see
2016-09-24 17:19 <Ubit> up to about 256 prims  every thing should fit on a packet so no udp issues ( if there are any )
2016-09-24 17:20 <Ubit> more than that.. well  its good it does link :p
2016-09-24 17:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5027: SUCCESS in 6 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5027/
2016-09-24 17:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove a redundant and potencially dangerous child.AbsolutePosition = child.AbsolutePosition
2016-09-24 17:28 <Ubit> ohh nice insert linknumbers rule changed at sl
2016-09-24 17:30 <Plugh> Ubit: ?? Changed how?
2016-09-24 17:31 <Plugh> Ubit, I don't like more than 256 prims together so I'm not likely to run in to a case of data being split across data packets.
2016-09-24 17:33 <Ubit> A1,A2,A3 + B...   used to insert as  A1,B1,A2A3,B2...
2016-09-24 17:33 <Ubit> now its full B insert
2016-09-24 17:33 <Ubit> a1,B1..B3..A2..
2016-09-24 17:34 <Ubit> and one wiki says its the same on edit
2016-09-24 17:34 <Ubit> for us on edit is full A, then Full B
2016-09-24 17:37 <Ubit> makes more sense than doing insert on edit also
2016-09-24 17:38 <Ubit> well we already do a sort by number... uff
2016-09-24 17:42 <Plugh> um... I don't like -> I don't link 
2016-09-24 17:43 <Ubit> ?
2016-09-24 17:43 <Plugh> I don't link more than 256 prims
2016-09-24 17:43 <Ubit> yeap can be nasty
2016-09-24 17:44 <Ubit> util a full revision region AND viewer side
2016-09-24 17:44 <Plugh> The SL specs are now saying that linking of two sets is done as a1,b1...bn,a2,a3... ? That is how it was done in OS at one point and that was a pain.
2016-09-24 17:45 <Ubit> yeap but think i see a bug on that
2016-09-24 17:49 <Ubit> yeap seems we do a1, fullB, restOF A
2016-09-24 17:49 <Ubit> but have a bug on it
2016-09-24 17:49 <Ubit> ( only on insert, only used by script llCreateLink)
2016-09-24 17:51 <Plugh> Bah. I'm in a sandbox in osgrid. Linked 21 prims. Removed root. The order of the remaining 20 prims is completely scrambled.
2016-09-24 17:52 <Ubit> 21 you say?
2016-09-24 17:52 <Plugh> yup
2016-09-24 17:52 <Ubit> you pick odd numbers
2016-09-24 17:52 <Plugh> They make perfect sense. 
2016-09-24 17:52 <Plugh> The 21 was supposed to be 26 but I missed 5 as I was zoomed in too close to the object. It is a 5x5 grid of prims with one on the side. They are part of a texture viewer.
2016-09-24 17:52 <Ubit> not when you make them by doubling on each copy :)
2016-09-24 17:53 <Ubit> so i use numbers like 16.. 32 .. :)
2016-09-24 18:12 <Plugh> :)
2016-09-24 18:26 <Plugh> Ubit: If you are going to alter that code could you handle the renumbering in the same loop as the (un)link?
2016-09-25 07:22 <internetking> hi when i was reading the open simulator site i cant find the command to switch between 2 sims i am running on my open sim standalone grid so i can load oar to the right sim 
2016-09-25 07:24 <internetking> hi when i was reading the open simulator site i cant find the command to switch between 2 sims i am running on my open sim standalone grid so i can load oar to the right sim 
2016-09-25 07:38 <danbanner> change region <name>
2016-09-25 07:47 <internetking> ohh thanks i remember now lol 
2016-09-25 14:38 <Matova> using NPC there are a form to clear the memory? i am testing and see.. sometime creating and killing NPC, says out of memory and the server die.
2016-09-25 14:43 <nebadon> Matova you running on windows or linux server?
2016-09-25 14:43 <nebadon> I have never actually seen an OOM with npcs myself
2016-09-25 14:44 <nebadon> im wondering though maybe you have Xengine not correct for mono
2016-09-25 14:44 <nebadon> or possibly you are in 32 bit environment
2016-09-25 14:49 <Matova> i am using linux 64bits but my opensim 32bits
2016-09-25 14:57 <Matova> about: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Installing_and_running_on_x86-64  the link there is no more to step 2 and 3
2016-09-25 15:07 <danbanner> how many npc's are you creating at a time?
2016-09-25 15:08 <Matova> just 1
2016-09-25 15:08 <Matova> born and killing
2016-09-25 15:08 <danbanner> something else must be an issue
2016-09-25 15:09 <danbanner> i crashed a sim with 300+ npc's once
2016-09-25 15:09 <Matova> NPC take same av memory on the sim?
2016-09-25 15:10 <danbanner> i dont think so
2016-09-25 15:10 <Matova> just using os NpcCreate() and osNpcRemove();
2016-09-25 15:11 <Matova> i am trying to find something about run opensim to linux 64bits but not found.
2016-09-25 15:11 <Matova> so my version is 32bts
2016-09-25 15:12 <Matova> and i have 8gb ram
2016-09-25 15:12 <danbanner> opensim.exe will run either 64bit or 32
2016-09-25 15:14 <danbanner> your problem could be mono related
2016-09-25 15:14 <danbanner> i have a sim you can test your npc create and remove on
2016-09-25 15:14 <danbanner> sandbox plaza III in osgrid
2016-09-25 15:15 <Matova> u mean mono version?
2016-09-25 15:15 <danbanner> how many MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU do you have set"?
2016-09-25 15:15 <Matova> i am using Mono JIT compiler version 4.4.1 (Nightly 4.4.1.0/4747417 Wed Jun 22 11:27:18 UTC 2016)
2016-09-25 15:16 <Matova> let me check
2016-09-25 15:16 <danbanner> ive also found boehm tends to work well for me as opposed to sgen
2016-09-25 15:17 <danbanner> you could try using the different GC and see if the problem still occurs
2016-09-25 15:22 <danbanner> btw, MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU is set in the environment.. echo $MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU should display the value if it is set
2016-09-25 15:22 <danbanner> export MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU = 2048 
2016-09-25 15:22 <danbanner> is what i use
2016-09-25 15:26 <Matova> 2048 here
2016-09-25 15:32 <Matova> [Xengine] MaxThreads = 100 
2016-09-25 15:57 <Matova> humm... i see an issue i am cheking tailf opensim.out.. and osnpccreate comes with error 
2016-09-25 15:58 <nebadon> why are you launching opensim 32 bit?
2016-09-25 15:58 <nebadon> your not just running mono OpenSim.exe?
2016-09-25 16:01 <Plugh> Is the use of statements 'continue' and 'break' supported in LSL scripts?
2016-09-25 16:11 <Matova> yes
2016-09-25 16:12 <Matova> nohup mono OpenSim.exe
2016-09-25 16:12 <Matova> to run in background
2016-09-25 16:13 <Matova> so i am using tailf to check the log
2016-09-25 16:51 <Ubit> c# does not release memory when we like, but when it likes 
2016-09-25 16:52 <Ubit> so even if we don't have memory leaks,  it keeps using the memory
2016-09-25 16:52 <Ubit> until it decides its time to check
2016-09-25 16:53 <Ubit> you can type force gc on console and see
2016-09-25 16:53 <Ubit> and can type that several times..  each time it may release a bit more
2016-09-25 17:45 <Matova> NPC can clone an AV. But only the objects, right? scripts inside object too? 
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2016-09-26 09:22 <scastillop11178> Hi to all!!
2016-09-26 09:22 <scastillop11178> Anyone online?
2016-09-26 09:26 <Sebastian__> Hi!
2016-09-26 09:29 <Sebastian__> p
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2016-09-26 11:59 <scastillop11178> Hi!!
2016-09-26 11:59 <scastillop11178> Anyone is online?
2016-09-26 12:01 <scastillop11178> Anyone is online?
2016-09-26 12:01 <scastillop11178> I have been told irc is the better choice to contact with developers of opensim
2016-09-26 12:01 <scastillop11178> Is that true?
2016-09-26 12:07 <nebadon> hello scastillop11178
2016-09-26 12:07 <nebadon> yes this is best place to reach developers, however you should not always expect instant repsonse
2016-09-26 12:07 <nebadon> we are not always looking at the screen :)
2016-09-26 12:15 <scastillop11178> Oh, sorry
2016-09-26 12:15 <scastillop11178> I am interesting in develop https login response, but I am not sure if anyone is working on that
2016-09-26 12:15 <scastillop11178> Sorry, I mean https login authentication
2016-09-26 12:16 <scastillop11178> So in the login process the password is not a md5 hash.
2016-09-26 12:19 <jakdaniels> scastillop11178: You should hang around in this channel for at least a couple of days if you want a response to this. I believe a few days ago you did get a response, but you didn't stay in channel long enough to see it.
2016-09-26 12:25 <scastillop11178> Yes, thats true, I am sorry, but I was chatting from the computer which I use at work, and I had to turn off it. 
2016-09-26 12:26 <scastillop11178> Is it possible to contact you with any asynchronous method?
2016-09-26 12:26 <scastillop11178> For example, email, forum, etc.
2016-09-26 12:27 <scastillop11178> I have tried subscribing to opensim-dev list, but I don't get any response from the admin, and have also written in forums without success
2016-09-26 12:27 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Main_Page
2016-09-26 12:27 <Ubit> see at end
2016-09-26 12:29 <Ubit> well opensim-dev is one of the mail lists 
2016-09-26 12:36 <scastillop11178> Yes, I know, I subscribed to opensim-dev mail list filling the form of the web: http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
2016-09-26 12:36 <scastillop11178> I did a week ago, but I didn't get any response from the admin or developers
2016-09-26 12:37 <Ubit> well mlists are like irc, answers happen when someone looks and as something to say about it :)
2016-09-26 12:37 <scastillop11178> ah, ok
2016-09-26 12:42 <scastillop11178> While I get a response from the mailing lists, I ask here:
2016-09-26 12:42 <scastillop11178> Anyone is working in providing https login to opensim?
2016-09-26 12:42 <scastillop11178> I mean https authentication
2016-09-26 12:43 <Ubit> we do have https .. but i never tested it
2016-09-26 12:44 <Ubit> you run a test grid?
2016-09-26 12:46 <nebadon> uhg I think i found an OAR bug
2016-09-26 12:46 <nebadon> one that super sucks bad
2016-09-26 12:47 <nebadon> any textures that have Alpha Masking (128) set
2016-09-26 12:47 <nebadon> when you reload the oar they get changed to None for the alpha mode
2016-09-26 12:47 <nebadon> and it looks like turds
2016-09-26 12:48 <Ubit> hmm how did that got broken?
2016-09-26 12:48 <nebadon> no idea
2016-09-26 12:48 <Ubit> old oar ?
2016-09-26 12:48 <nebadon> but i reloaded one of my oars and all my trees
2016-09-26 12:48 <nebadon> no
2016-09-26 12:48 <nebadon> i literally just made the oar
2016-09-26 12:48 <nebadon> and then reloaded it locally on a standalone
2016-09-26 12:48 <nebadon> i wonder
2016-09-26 12:48 <nebadon> maybe its sqlite
2016-09-26 12:48 <nebadon> maybe sqlite doesnt store the alpha mode
2016-09-26 12:48 <nebadon> my standalone is sqlite
2016-09-26 12:49 <Ubit> we don't touch much on those this
2016-09-26 12:49 <nebadon> let me restart sim and see if alpha mode stays with sqlite
2016-09-26 12:49 <Ubit> i basiclly pack the info as viewers use
2016-09-26 12:49 <Ubit> well we do have materials...
2016-09-26 13:00 <scastillop11178> I have read about https in http://opensimulator.org/pipermail/opensim-dev/2011-May/022547.html
2016-09-26 13:03 <nebadon> ok so it doesnt seem that its sqlite
2016-09-26 13:03 <nebadon> clearing cache and restarting region the alpha mode stays
2016-09-26 13:04 <nebadon> so its definitely either oar write or load
2016-09-26 13:08 <scastillop11178> But it seems to be only for "out of band" applications. ssl config seems to be experimental.  https://starflowerbracken.wordpress.com/2014/12/04/security-in-opensim/ is the most recent thread I have found about this issue, and seems that secure authentication have not been implemented. The reason of writing here is to ask if anyone has worked on it, so I can continue the work, or start implemented secure authentication f
2016-09-26 13:15 <scastillop11178> I have to go and close the irc channel, so if anyone is going to answer me, please write to scastillop@gmail.com. Thank you !!
2016-09-26 13:19 <scastillo11178> .
2016-09-26 14:22 <jakdaniels> nebadon: did you try to load the oar into a region/grid that uses mysql?
2016-09-26 14:30 <nebadon> jakdaniels no
2016-09-26 14:30 <nebadon> i cant easily do that at the moment
2016-09-26 14:30 <nebadon> i can try later though 
2016-09-26 14:31 <jakdaniels> so when you say the alpha is gone.... is that the alpha channel in the texture itself, or one of the prim alpha settings?
2016-09-26 15:05 <nebadon> hey sorry jakdaniels
2016-09-26 15:05 <nebadon> no there is alpha mode drop down
2016-09-26 15:05 <nebadon> on the texture tab
2016-09-26 15:05 <jakdaniels> ah, so its a prim setting
2016-09-26 15:05 <nebadon> if you change it to Alpha Masking (128) value
2016-09-26 15:05 <nebadon> which requires a texture with alpha and cut out
2016-09-26 15:05 <nebadon> then export the oar, and reimport it
2016-09-26 15:05 <nebadon> that value changes to "None"
2016-09-26 15:05 <nebadon> and the texture looks screwed up
2016-09-26 15:06 <jakdaniels> yeah... it would...
2016-09-26 15:06 <jakdaniels> let me see if I can try it on a mysql based region
2016-09-26 15:13 <nebadon> ok thanks
2016-09-26 15:13 <jakdaniels> nebadon: seems to work ok on a mysql based region. I rezzed a prim and set one face to have a texture that had an alpha, and set the Alpha Mode to Alpha Blending in the texture tab. I saved an oar, deleted the prim, then reloaded the oar and the alpha blended texture appears properly.
2016-09-26 15:13 <jakdaniels> was that a valid test?
2016-09-26 15:16 <nebadon> was cache cleared?
2016-09-26 15:18 <jakdaniels> um no.... which cache - on the region or the viewer?
2016-09-26 15:28 <jakdaniels> ok did same test, but removed prim, then shutdown region, cleared everything out of bin/assetcache then restarted region and loaded the oar. Same result
2016-09-26 16:00 <nebadon> ok
2016-09-26 16:00 <nebadon> so maybe its sqlite then jakdaniels
2016-09-26 16:00 <nebadon> the original grid is mysql
2016-09-26 16:01 <nebadon> and I am trying to load it into a standalone sqlite
2016-09-26 16:01 <nebadon> that is something I almost never do
2016-09-26 16:46 <Ubit> err so its sqlite or load oar code or both ? :)
2016-09-26 16:46 <Ubit> ( or save oar ??)
2016-09-26 16:53 <nebadon> good question :)
2016-09-26 16:54 <Ubit> well im busy now..  will tey to look later
2016-09-26 16:54 <Ubit> try
2016-09-26 16:58 <jakdaniels> I think it must be load oar - prim alpha texture settings not being put back into sqlite
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2016-09-27 14:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #5029 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-27 14:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5029: SUCCESS in 6 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5029/
2016-09-27 14:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: load oar; activate area cliping if bounding-origin option is given. as help says
2016-09-27 15:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #5030 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-27 15:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5030: SUCCESS in 5 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5030/
2016-09-27 15:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: exclude invalid collision sound (used as collision type flag)  from assets UUIDGather
2016-09-27 20:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #5031 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-27 20:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5031: SUCCESS in 5 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5031/
2016-09-27 20:15 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: save oar: simplify confusing successefull assets saving message
2016-09-27 20:15 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: MySQLFSAssetData  on store, if a asset already exists, assume its a valid store or regions will keep retry. The other DBs do replace the item, why doesn't FS do the same?
2016-09-27 20:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #5032 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-09-27 20:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5032: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5032/
2016-09-27 20:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: MySQLFSAssetData  asset type is a int not a varchar
2016-09-27 22:24 <diva_> hi folks. Are attachs working fine for HG TPs in head?
2016-09-27 22:24 <diva_> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7935
2016-09-27 22:24 <diva_> (trying to get a release process rolling)
2016-09-27 23:02 <Dragon_Heart1> hi all anyone here tell me where i can find some documentation on how to add another server to a current grid setup plze?
2016-09-27 23:15 <nebadon> you want to add more Simulators you mean Dragon_Heart1?
2016-09-27 23:25 <Dragon_Heart1> yes
2016-09-27 23:25 <Dragon_Heart1> i want to add a second server to a current robust setup
2016-09-27 23:58 <diva_> hey folks, are there any outstanding issues in head right now? Anything that worked in 0.8.2 but it's not working now?
2016-09-28 02:15 <Matova> current version has a problem to load regions
2016-09-28 02:31 <Matova> to load opensim comes with this error: [POLL SERVICE WORKER THREAD]: Error System.ObjectDisposedException: Cannot access a disposed object.
2016-09-28 11:30 <ssm2017> diva_ the main difference i can see between 0.8 and head is that the scene takes longer time to load in the viewer (with same config on same server and same robust but different simulator) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBagIO95tvA swith around 1min30sec
2016-09-28 11:49 <Ubit> "Plus, a mesh uploaded with ubOde may not work with the earlier Bullet and ODE physics engines."  what hell ??
2016-09-28 11:50 <Ubit> what it the physics engine relation with mesh upload?  bahh
2016-09-28 11:51 <Ubit> ( looking to a blog.. never mind)
2016-09-28 12:35 <Matova> llSetTimerEvent() theres a limit? 0.5 limited? less it no effect
2016-09-28 12:38 <AliciaRaven> Matova, 0.5 is the default limit, u can change the default in the ini file
2016-09-28 12:40 <Matova> yes, found now the parameter  MinTimerInterval 
2016-09-28 12:40 <Matova> nice :)
2016-09-28 13:32 <Matova> ouse look and left button checks. works to you? 
2016-09-28 13:32 <Matova> mouse*
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2016-09-28 19:41 <Matova> mouselook + mouse clicked dont changes the direction.
2016-09-28 19:42 <Ubit> and isn't that a viewer side thing?
2016-09-28 19:43 <Ubit> ( asking not looking to code :p )
2016-09-28 19:43 <Matova> no, same viewer working at sl
2016-09-28 19:43 <Matova> i am using firestorm
2016-09-28 19:43 <Ubit> poor you
2016-09-28 19:43 <Matova> let me see at osgrid
2016-09-28 19:43 <Ubit> lol
2016-09-28 19:43 <Matova> lol
2016-09-28 19:44 <Matova> osgrid same result too
2016-09-28 19:44 <Matova> dont work rotation
2016-09-28 19:44 <Ubit> mouselook only ?
2016-09-28 19:45 <Matova> yes, if mouselook normal, will work, but if you in mouselook mode and pressed the lef button
2016-09-28 19:45 <Matova> dont move
2016-09-28 19:45 <Ubit> err move what?
2016-09-28 19:45 <Matova> rotation  
2016-09-28 19:46 <Ubit> i never use mouselook
2016-09-28 19:46 <Matova> the correct is do same result using or no the mouse left clicked
2016-09-28 19:46 <Matova> to games for example is used so much
2016-09-28 19:46 <Matova> combat using swords is a good example 
2016-09-28 19:47 <Ubit> ahh you mean with the mouse clicked there its not rotation?
2016-09-28 19:47 <Matova> yes
2016-09-28 19:47 <Ubit> rght btn works
2016-09-28 19:47 <Matova> rotation works only if mouse unclick
2016-09-28 19:47 <Matova> yes, right works
2016-09-28 19:48 <Ubit> ohh damm clicked on several things at lbsa :p
2016-09-28 19:48 <Ubit> checking at sl also
2016-09-28 19:49 <Matova> SL works with left
2016-09-28 19:49 <Ubit> nopes it does not
2016-09-28 19:49 <Matova> works, i have a game at SL 
2016-09-28 19:49 <Ubit> fs 4.7.9
2016-09-28 19:49 <Ubit> go check :p
2016-09-28 19:50 <Matova> u mean left mouse clicked ?
2016-09-28 19:50 <Ubit> yeap
2016-09-28 19:50 <Matova> at sl works, at opensim no
2016-09-28 19:50 <Matova> i did this test now at SL 
2016-09-28 19:50 <Ubit> so did i lol
2016-09-28 19:50 <Matova> let me log again, 
2016-09-28 19:51 <Ubit> in go test singu
2016-09-28 19:51 <Ubit> in go test ??   uff
2016-09-28 19:51 <Ubit> im going to test.. in english :)
2016-09-28 19:52 <Ubit> same
2016-09-28 19:52 <Matova> SL works right and left side
2016-09-28 19:52 <Ubit> left clicked no rotation with mouse
2016-09-28 19:52 <Matova> SL to u ?
2016-09-28 19:52 <Ubit> yeap
2016-09-28 19:52 <Matova> ah maybe you dont have the option to game actived
2016-09-28 19:52 <Matova> let me see the parameter
2016-09-28 19:53 <Ubit> damm clicked on prms also at sl :p
2016-09-28 19:53 <Matova> http://prntscr.com/cni9nb
2016-09-28 19:55 <Ubit> ok going back to sl with fs
2016-09-28 19:55 <Matova> let me do without these parameters
2016-09-28 19:56 <Ubit> nopes no rotation
2016-09-28 19:56 <Ubit> ok lets see HOW do you rotate?
2016-09-28 19:57 <Matova> want tp?
2016-09-28 19:57 <Ubit> sure
2016-09-28 19:57 <Ubit> Ubit Umarov
2016-09-28 19:58 <Ubit> premium subscriber to enter region
2016-09-28 19:58 <Ubit> must be..
2016-09-28 20:30 <Ubit> it is the sword !!!
2016-09-28 20:44 <Ubit> ok no .. was another script :)
2016-09-28 21:08 <Ubit> Matova ?
2016-09-28 21:09 <Ubit> the prim where im sitting waiting is getting 2 hot :p
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2016-09-28 23:38 <Dragon_> anyone awake?
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2016-09-29 10:23 <osmantis> Bug #8029:04 OpenSimDefaults.ini physics engine default comments inconsistent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8029 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-09-29 10:24 <osmantis> Bug #8029:04 OpenSimDefaults.ini physics engine default comments inconsistent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8029 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-09-29 10:37 <Sarkot> Hello, is anyone available for a small issue? I am trying to set up offline messaging using the offline messaging module V2 but it doesn't seem to be working. In game when I send a message to an offline avatar i get the nod "message saved" but nothing gets saved on the table i created on my DB.
2016-09-29 11:12 <ssm2017> Sarkot the procedure to follow is : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Offline_Instant_Messaging_v2
2016-09-29 11:12 <ssm2017> you do not have to create a db or table, robust creates it for you
2016-09-29 11:23 <Sarkot> hi ssm2017. im_offline table is automatically created? in which db exactly, robust or simulator?
2016-09-29 11:24 <Sarkot> now it is storing the messages in the table i manually created in the simulator db
2016-09-29 11:25 <ssm2017> robust
2016-09-29 11:26 <Sarkot> but when i log in with the avatar there are no messages retrieved. plus the simulator shows the following error: "Caught exception while processing OpenMetaverse.Packets.RetrieveInstantMessagesPacket for diva diva   MySql.Data.Types.MySqlConversionException: Unable to convert MySQL date/time value to System.DateTime"
2016-09-29 11:36 <ssm2017> i am not able to tell you about the diva version. i need to leave. good luck
2016-09-29 11:37 <Sarkot> well, i just managed to make it work anyway. it is weird that u tell me that the table should be automatically created on the robust db when for me i had to manually create it and messages are being stored on the simulator db
2016-09-29 11:37 <Sarkot> so thanks anyway :D, bye!
2016-09-29 12:11 <Matova> using HyperGrid are there a form to allow to use only a list of users?
2016-09-29 12:58 <Melanie_T> there currently isn't
2016-09-29 12:59 <Matova> so just to level
2016-09-29 13:05 <nebadon> You can do groups
2016-09-29 13:05 <nebadon> and only allow a certain group access to a hypergrid enabled region
2016-09-29 13:08 <Matova> do you know the paramter?
2016-09-29 13:10 <nebadon> you just set the region to Group Access only
2016-09-29 13:10 <nebadon> in the Estate panel
2016-09-29 13:11 <nebadon> you can even list multiple groups
2016-09-29 13:11 <nebadon> and then people just have to be a group member of that group they can get in
2016-09-29 13:11 <nebadon> make sure you uncheck Public Access in the estate manager
2016-09-29 13:11 <nebadon> there are some limitations to this though
2016-09-29 13:11 <nebadon> since you cant just easily inject people to groups from the viewer
2016-09-29 13:12 <nebadon> you would need to craft a tool outside say in your web portal or something
2016-09-29 13:12 <Matova> but for example need do it to all regions, no have a form to allow /deny general grid
2016-09-29 13:12 <nebadon> that could let you easier inject users into a group 
2016-09-29 13:12 <nebadon> right
2016-09-29 13:12 <nebadon> you could in theory write a tool that manipulates the database on a wider scale
2016-09-29 13:12 <nebadon> if your talking about using the viewer then of course it gets more difficult
2016-09-29 13:13 <nebadon> you could talk to diva_ she offers addons for Wifi that do just this
2016-09-29 13:13 <nebadon> they are a premium style addon to wifi, but its not expensive, you would have to talk with her about it
2016-09-29 13:14 <Matova> something like autoeject maybe getting the parameter @grid
2016-09-29 13:16 <Matova> about this printscreen -> http://prntscr.com/cnrark its possible uncheck export ? i did but always turn back to checked
2016-09-29 13:17 <nebadon> I don't know I am not sure how well that stuff works with core opensim at this point
2016-09-29 13:18 <nebadon> I know it works in Kitely
2016-09-29 13:18 <nebadon> I have no experience with it
2016-09-29 13:19 <Matova> but really tks :) 
2016-09-29 13:34 <osmantis> Bug #8029:04 OpenSimDefaults.ini physics engine default comments inconsistent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8029 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2016-09-29 13:34 <osmantis> Bug #8029:04 OpenSimDefaults.ini physics engine default comments inconsistent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8029 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-09-29 13:35 <osmantis> Bug #8029:04 OpenSimDefaults.ini physics engine default comments inconsistent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8029 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-09-29 15:53 <Ubit> NickyP make the downloads page KokuaOS have BIG LARGE font  so i don't download the sl version again :p
2016-09-29 15:55 <ssm2017> Matova you can maybe also try the "authorization" php script
2016-09-29 15:55 <Ubit> matova is awake?
2016-09-29 15:55 <Ubit> 
ACTION hides

2016-09-29 15:55 <Ubit> ( kidding )
2016-09-29 15:56 <ssm2017> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/AuthorizationService
2016-09-29 15:58 <Ubit> damm another viewer options to set all over
2016-09-29 16:18 <Plugh> Um... ok. What circumstances would require using that process to check whether a user is allowed to enter a region?
2016-09-29 16:25 <NickyP> Ubit: 
2016-09-29 16:26 <NickyP> Which location? Bitbuctet or Source
2016-09-29 16:26 <NickyP> forge
2016-09-29 16:34 <Ubit> was my mistake forget :)
2016-09-29 16:34 <Ubit> it does look nice
2016-09-29 16:39 <Matova> oh yes since 6:00am i was afk testing 
2016-09-29 16:43 <ssm2017> Plugh i have never tried this auth service but it looks like it can forbid or allow the access to a uuid
2016-09-29 16:43 <ssm2017> at the region level
2016-09-29 17:05 <Plugh> ok. I was just not sure how that process might be better, of just different, compared to the region/estate allow/ban settings.
2016-09-29 17:05 <Plugh> s/of just/or just/
2016-09-29 17:24 <ssm2017> the acces can be dynamically defined with auth service and grid wide
2016-09-29 17:27 <Ubit> NickyP seen my coments on #Kokua ?
2016-09-29 17:28 <Matova> i did a test using LevelHGTeleport = 0 and works fine to local users, but i dont know how to allow/block external users yet.
2016-09-29 17:38 <Plugh> ssm2017: True. It could also be administered from a central location (ie. as a feature of the system a grid may already be using to do administration).
2016-09-29 18:02 <Ubit> well kokuaOS seems to work..  minor testing.. a few minor issues already seem
2016-09-29 18:03 <Ubit> but seems same "report to our tickets service"  atitude
2016-09-29 18:04 <Ubit> so..  well not that much OS so far..
2016-09-29 18:05 <Ubit> and having another viewer that only does fixes for a particular grid.. well ...
2016-09-29 19:57 <Ubit> ok had a nice chat with gavin from kokua
2016-09-29 20:05 <nebadon> nice
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2016-09-30 02:31 <CrasherRob> I'm newly having difficulty with save iar for a user with over 1GB in assets. I have a separate Robust server. After the SIM instance finishes its initialization, every GET to the asset server fails. If I use curl to simulate the GET request, the request never completes without a timeout option specified on the command. After restarting the Robust server, the curl operation completes. The grid operates correctly until the save i
2016-09-30 02:35 <CrasherRob> save iar works properly for users without the massive asset set. 
2016-09-30 02:48 <CrasherRob> For another user with about a 400MB asset set, the save iar failed after saving 550 assets and 43MB. The Robust asset server went into the same non-responsive state and the SIM first complained about the asset service not providing data for over 6000 assets and aborted the save iar.
2016-09-30 02:50 <CrasherRob> Now the sim is first complaining once every 100 seconds about a web operation timeout, then about receiving information while in "aborted state."
2016-09-30 02:57 <CrasherRob> The Robust server and sim are on the same physical machine.
2016-09-30 03:07 <CrasherRob> The last valid save iar was done on August 8th, 2016 with the OSgrid 0.9.0.0 (Dev) 259824f: 2016-07-04 git hash : 259824fbc4d86ad624f0b146c3e04ea850b0b8b6 simulator. It is currently failing using the OSgrid 0.9.0.0 (Dev) 6779f41: 2016-09-24 git hash : 6779f41e217ac2d401c3adf319ff307c46bc4dd3 version. (I use the OSgrid distributions as a base, even for the Robust server.)
2016-09-30 04:02 <CrasherRob> (I had to reboot my modem. Download speed went below 2Mbs.) After the reboot, as an experiment, I cleared the viewer cache and the sim cache for the problem user. The 11,000+ asset inventory reloaded completely in well under 30 seconds.
2016-09-30 04:09 <osmantis> Bug #6824:04 script method to get/set materials textures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6824 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-30 08:32 <osmantis> Bug #7747:04 LLoginService.cs login response has extra fields causing addon errors, plus question on special Radegast handling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7747 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-30 14:51 <osmantis> Bug #7747:04 LLoginService.cs login response has extra fields causing addon errors, plus question on special Radegast handling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7747 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-09-30 19:02 <CrasherRob> Has anyone else experienced problems with "save iar" for users with a large asset count? (Can you generate an iar larger than 1G without problems?)
2016-09-30 19:19 <nebadon> my OSgrid avatar has a 3.6gb IAR
2016-09-30 19:20 <CrasherRob_> nebadon and you've backed it up recently? 
2016-09-30 19:21 <nebadon> hmmm well not in the last few weeks
2016-09-30 19:21 <nebadon> id have to check the date
2016-09-30 19:22 <nebadon> 7/17/2016 CrasherRob_
2016-09-30 19:22 <nebadon> so not that long ago
2016-09-30 19:24 <CrasherRob> Working version: 2016-07-04. Failing Version: 2016-09-24. Both use osGRID distributions to create a private grid with a ROBUST server. (OS=Fedora23 Linux)
2016-09-30 19:24 <nebadon> this is on a private grid?
2016-09-30 19:24 <nebadon> not OSgrid?
2016-09-30 19:24 <nebadon> hmm
2016-09-30 19:24 <nebadon> and what error are you seeing?
2016-09-30 19:24 <nebadon> I dont recall any recent changes to IAR functionality
2016-09-30 19:25 <CrasherRob> Yes. I just use the distribution as a base. 
2016-09-30 19:27 <CrasherRob> The Robust server stops responding. I use the specified address and don't get access through curl, either. More information dropped at 10:30 EDT last night, if that's available to you.
2016-09-30 19:28 <diva__> I really need help with this, folks: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/0.9.0.0_Release
2016-09-30 19:29 <diva__> Ubit, where does the vehicles crossing note go ?
2016-09-30 19:29 <CrasherRob> No other inventory problems. After clearing the viewer cache and sim assetcache the entire inventory is reloaded in seconds, although the avatar hair did look funny until it was detached/attached.
2016-09-30 19:30 <Ubit> crossings improvement should now be also for bullet
2016-09-30 19:31 <Ubit> so guess it is a "generic" improvement
2016-09-30 19:31 <diva__> you mean vehicles now cross for both ubODE and bullet?
2016-09-30 19:31 <Ubit> yeap
2016-09-30 19:31 <diva__> scripted vehicles?
2016-09-30 19:31 <Ubit> yeap
2016-09-30 19:31 <Ubit> robert did the needed patching on bullet
2016-09-30 19:32 <Ubit> Region Cross/Teleport 
2016-09-30 19:32 <Ubit>  No significant changes in this release. 
2016-09-30 19:33 <Ubit> guess here?
2016-09-30 19:33 <diva__> yeah
2016-09-30 19:34 <Ubit> hmm so many changes to list if ghoing into detail :(
2016-09-30 19:34 <diva__> yeah, I don't know how we are going to write this. It has to be a combination of us remembering things and looking at the huge log
2016-09-30 19:35 <Ubit> err and how to say them in english :)
2016-09-30 19:35 <diva__> If you remember something, please add it. Dont worry about English, I'll fix it
2016-09-30 19:35 <Ubit> ok in mesh  we should have a warning about the meshs for ubode
2016-09-30 19:35 <Ubit> since it is  a issue "in the air"
2016-09-30 19:37 <Ubit> ie meshs that are to be used as a full collider need to be uploaded with proper settings in viewers physics tab
2016-09-30 19:38 <Ubit> otherwise only the bsaic convex hull is avaible as collider ( CONVEX type)  for ubOde
2016-09-30 19:39 <Ubit> bullet and old ode will work as before at least for now
2016-09-30 19:40 <Ubit> this is the main idea
2016-09-30 19:42 <Ubit> NPC, "new options available, see opensim.ini.example"
2016-09-30 19:42 <Ubit> NPC, "new options available, see NPC section in opensim.ini.example"
2016-09-30 19:43 <Ubit> Region/Estates/Parcels:
2016-09-30 19:44 <Ubit> option Avatar on other parcels can see and chat with avatars on this parcel now suported
2016-09-30 19:47 <Ubit> Terrain
2016-09-30 19:47 <diva__> Ubit please write it there directly
2016-09-30 19:47 <Ubit> i can't lol
2016-09-30 19:47 <diva__> why?
2016-09-30 19:47 <Ubit> no access i guess
2016-09-30 19:47 <Ubit> at least never tried
2016-09-30 19:47 <diva__> you don't have a wiki account?
2016-09-30 19:48 <Ubit> no
2016-09-30 19:48 <Ubit> but im almost done the main issues
2016-09-30 19:48 <Ubit> Terrain:
2016-09-30 19:49 <Ubit> terrain bake is now suported
2016-09-30 19:50 <diva__> "Option for Avatar on other parcels to see and chat with avatars on this parcel is now supported" <-- do you know what this option is called?
2016-09-30 19:51 <Ubit> that is what viewer says at least kokua
2016-09-30 19:51 <diva__> so it's a viewer thing?
2016-09-30 19:51 <Ubit> well with tons of code on our side :)
2016-09-30 19:52 <diva__> here's current: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/0.9.0.0_Release
2016-09-30 19:52 <diva__> we really need to beef this up
2016-09-30 19:53 <Ubit> err on the mesh part
2016-09-30 19:54 <Ubit> that ubOde is so that creator can decide to upload that can not be used as a full physics collider
2016-09-30 19:54 <Ubit> .. can upload a mesh...
2016-09-30 19:55 <Ubit> people is missing that is a feature to honour creators decisions and not the oposite
2016-09-30 19:55 <Ubit> feature or change..
2016-09-30 19:56 <diva__> what?
2016-09-30 19:56 <Ubit> that mesh issue i typed above
2016-09-30 19:58 <Ubit> xbakes where already avaible on 0.8.2 ?
2016-09-30 20:01 <diva__> ok email sent! We have a release candidate!
2016-09-30 20:01 <Ubit> :)
2016-09-30 20:01 <Ubit> if you need more info on the mesh issue let me know
2016-09-30 20:02 <Ubit> Scripting, some more funtions added
2016-09-30 20:02 <Ubit> like AO suport
2016-09-30 20:02 <diva__> Ubit just create an account!
2016-09-30 20:03 <Ubit> damm lost a excuse
2016-09-30 20:03 <Ubit> ;)
2016-09-30 20:06 <Ubit> actually the mesh info should be the away around..
2016-09-30 20:07 <Ubit> as creators option respect down to ubOde the only doing it for now
2016-09-30 20:10 <Ubit> OH Mega regions no longer suported !!!
2016-09-30 20:11 <Ubit> ( diva i will need to learn how to change the wiki that may take time )
2016-09-30 20:14 <diva__> YOu just need to click on the tab "Edit" on top of the page
2016-09-30 20:14 <diva__> then you'll figure it out by copy pasting
2016-09-30 20:15 <Ubit> then you of you translate it to proper en? :)
2016-09-30 20:15 <diva__> yes.
2016-09-30 20:15 <diva__> don't worry, I'm a language nazi
2016-09-30 20:15 <Ubit> ok see pvt
2016-10-01 02:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #5033 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-10-01 02:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5033: SUCCESS in 6 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5033/
2016-10-01 02:47 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: fix problem with avatar velocity going to zero when flying across
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2016-10-01 18:53 <misterblue> UBit: mantis http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6824 is asking about PRIM_ALPHA_MODE addition... is it as simple as adding the constant definition or is there other support needed?
2016-10-01 18:53 <Ubit> isn't that a material thing?
2016-10-01 18:54 <Ubit> ohh im still running my region with bullet xii  :)
2016-10-01 18:55 <misterblue> LOL... see... BulletSim is the right solution :-P
2016-10-01 18:56 <misterblue> I was looking at the differences to PrimMesher.cs... you have a version for ubODE that is a lot different than the libopenmetaverse version
2016-10-01 18:56 <misterblue> there are a lot of changes for different resolutions and different cuts
2016-10-01 18:57 <misterblue> 
ACTION was looking to update libopensimulator

2016-10-01 19:00 <misterblue> recently upgraded  to an NVidia 1080... running three or four FireStorms is painless
2016-10-01 19:01 <misterblue> Moore's Law is an amazing thing
2016-10-01 19:05 <osmantis> Bug #8029:04 OpenSimDefaults.ini physics engine default comments inconsistent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8029 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-01 19:06 <Ubit> what does "inconsistent " mean? ;)
2016-10-01 19:10 <misterblue> that Mantis looks like an easy fix... the comment says ODE is  the default but the checked out source is not not that default
2016-10-01 19:11 <Ubit> ops
2016-10-01 19:12 <Ubit> im trying to type somthing about the new stats option
2016-10-01 19:14 <misterblue> I had a bunch of changes for stats... there are three different stats systems... I'd like to throw most of them out and settle on one
2016-10-01 19:14 <Ubit> be my guest  i almost did it already :)
2016-10-01 19:14 <Ubit> and as is its a pain
2016-10-01 19:15 <misterblue> another "would be good to do but not  the most important" project :)
2016-10-01 19:15 <Ubit> stats travel around on a array of values
2016-10-01 19:15 <Ubit> you need to remember indexes everywhere
2016-10-01 19:19 <Ubit> "...Keep in mind this stats where not designed to profile OpenSim do not try to used them without a much deeper consideration of opensim multitask nature."
2016-10-01 19:20 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/0.9.0.0_Release#Stats
2016-10-01 19:20 <Ubit> i could add read robert paper blablabla :)
2016-10-01 19:21 <Ubit> is that paper still avaible on intel sits ?
2016-10-01 19:21 <Ubit> sites..
2016-10-01 19:23 <misterblue> let me look (although I don't have access to official sites any more)
2016-10-01 19:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #5034 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-10-01 19:28 <Ubit> ohh jenkis.. this is not a code change :)
2016-10-01 19:30 <Ubit> hmm the known issues is getting 2 large
2016-10-01 19:31 <nebadon> I just tested driving my racer over the border from Bulletsim to UbODE on master git
2016-10-01 19:31 <Ubit> can we use a much smalle font on those?
2016-10-01 19:31 <Ubit> :)
2016-10-01 19:31 <nebadon> from Sisyphus to Newton
2016-10-01 19:31 <nebadon> worked great
2016-10-01 19:31 <nebadon> flawless infact
2016-10-01 19:31 <nebadon> both ways
2016-10-01 19:31 <Ubit> cool
2016-10-01 19:31 <nebadon> I made a little ramp so its easier to drive over the border 
2016-10-01 19:31 <nebadon> cause i have like a mini wall
2016-10-01 19:32 <nebadon> to keep balls from rolling out
2016-10-01 19:32 <Ubit> just don't drive uphill on crossings :)
2016-10-01 19:33 <misterblue> that is amazing... the promise if defined APIs!! Two physics engines handling  the handoff!!
2016-10-01 19:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5034: SUCCESS in 6 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5034/
2016-10-01 19:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix comment telling the correct default physics engine
2016-10-01 19:34 <Ubit> well we do SetMomentum when we are actually setting velocity.. but no one knows.. 
2016-10-01 19:34 <Ubit> xii uu dont tell ;)
2016-10-01 19:35 <Ubit> well and that is correct..  for all objects with 1Kg mass
2016-10-01 19:44 <misterblue> did I miss part of the conversation?
2016-10-01 19:44 <Ubit> missed at lbsa
2016-10-01 19:44 <Ubit> me teasing you :p
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2016-10-01 19:47 <misterblue> :-P
2016-10-01 19:47 <Ubit> :)
2016-10-01 19:54 <osmantis> Bug #6824:04 script method to get/set materials textures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6824 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-01 19:55 <Ubit> ohh it was you
2016-10-01 19:56 <Ubit> yeap those things go into material
2016-10-01 19:56 <Ubit> a new one needs to be created changing those  i think
2016-10-01 19:57 <Ubit> ( or not on same value)
2016-10-01 19:57 <Ubit> well we may need to get current material, duplicate, change and apply
2016-10-01 19:58 <Ubit> bc they are assets.. so ( for now) immutable ?
2016-10-01 19:58 <Ubit> not a thing for this release i think
2016-10-01 20:02 <misterblue> I thought all the material stuff just went into a name/value struct... wasn't sure if the change was just adding the name
2016-10-01 20:03 <Ubit> nopes
2016-10-01 20:03 <Ubit> hmm and materials are assets now
2016-10-01 20:03 <misterblue> not sure if that's a mistake or not
2016-10-01 20:04 <Ubit> yeah
2016-10-01 20:04 <Ubit> well it wasnt me :P
2016-10-01 20:04 <Ubit> i just added code to reduce number of uploaded ones recently
2016-10-01 20:05 <Ubit> we do parse their contents anywhere?
2016-10-01 20:06 <misterblue> not sure
2016-10-01 20:06 <Ubit> damm ll
2016-10-01 20:07 <Ubit> thing things are not materials but just PBS extensions
2016-10-01 20:07 <misterblue> I've said that many times myself :)
2016-10-01 20:07 <Ubit> yeap
2016-10-01 20:08 <Ubit> mb they had the ideia of adding them
2016-10-01 20:09 <Ubit> but then even in unreal you endup having almost one per face
2016-10-01 20:10 <Ubit> hmm te extensions mb
2016-10-01 20:10 <misterblue> I've been coding a baking prim routine (merge faces into one mesh)... the "freedom" of adding anything to a face is a problem
2016-10-01 20:13 <osmantis> Bug #6824:04 script method to get/set materials textures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6824 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-01 20:18 <Ubit> " Ubit Umarov: you do not want things firing bullets with bullet.. they may fire bullet by mistake"
2016-10-01 20:19 <Ubit> petty i didn't remember this on mantis about bullets on bullet :p
2016-10-01 20:24 <misterblue> bullets on Bullet are Mantis 8010 and 8011 :)
2016-10-01 20:24 <Ubit> :)
2016-10-01 20:24 <Ubit> it whould nice for april 1st
2016-10-01 20:26 <Ubit> outch
2016-10-01 20:26 <misterblue> 
ACTION has an AV in SL.... sheesh, that system is Really Slow loading textures

2016-10-01 20:26 <Ubit> avatarFeast region with 9 fps
2016-10-01 20:27 <Ubit> err its a 0..8.3.. damm 11 fps thing
2016-10-01 20:28 <Ubit> hmm odd
2016-10-01 20:28 <Ubit> only see avatars
2016-10-01 20:31 <Ubit> why i hell the region didn't sent the prims to me ?
2016-10-01 20:34 <Ubit> same with singu
2016-10-01 20:34 <Ubit> odd
2016-10-01 20:40 <osmantis> Bug #8029:04 OpenSimDefaults.ini physics engine default comments inconsistent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8029 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2016-10-01 20:40 <Ubit> and all sitting avatars at pilled up at 0,0,0
2016-10-01 20:40 <Ubit> what hell
2016-10-01 20:40 <misterblue> what's happened to Melanie_T? haven't seen her in a while... she still moving?
2016-10-01 20:41 <osmantis> Bug #8029:04 OpenSimDefaults.ini physics engine default comments inconsistent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8029 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-10-01 20:41 <Melanie_T> unpacking....... please wait.... ;)
2016-10-01 20:41 <Ubit> lol
2016-10-01 20:41 <misterblue> LOL, again :)
2016-10-01 20:41 <Melanie_T> i'm unarchiving my life
2016-10-01 20:43 <misterblue> moving is always a unpacking and repacking if one's life :)
2016-10-01 20:44 <Ubit> hmm i even dont remember what is version 0.8.3
2016-10-01 20:44 <Ubit> not a single little prim was sent to me
2016-10-01 20:44 <Ubit> err attachments where
2016-10-01 20:46 <Ubit> UbitUmariv hmm who is that dev? :)
2016-10-01 20:50 <misterblue> someone who just patches and patches ;-)
2016-10-01 20:52 <Ubit> [13:52]  Ada.Radius @grid.kitely.com:8002: yup, all I can see is grass, and Talk still not working for me
2016-10-01 20:52 <Ubit> so not only me
2016-10-01 20:56 <nebadon> yea I was at the Avatarfest sim a few days ago
2016-10-01 20:56 <nebadon> i was literally the only person there and it took almost 30 minutes for the sim to become visible
2016-10-01 20:56 <nebadon> no idea what they are doing but it runs horrible
2016-10-01 20:56 <Ubit> been there also and did work ok
2016-10-01 20:56 <Ubit> first time, no meshs only
2016-10-01 20:56 <Ubit> second all ok
2016-10-01 20:57 <Ubit> now..  odd
2016-10-01 20:57 <nebadon> also when i moved, it was constantly making colliding sounds
2016-10-01 20:57 <nebadon> like i was walking into something
2016-10-01 20:57 <nebadon> even if all i was touching was terrain
2016-10-01 20:57 <Ubit> prims are there
2016-10-01 20:57 <nebadon> still
2016-10-01 20:57 <Ubit> i collide with them
2016-10-01 20:57 <nebadon> it should make constant collision sounds
2016-10-01 20:57 <nebadon> just walking on prims
2016-10-01 20:57 <misterblue> collision sounds have gone from 'don't happen' to 'very often' 
2016-10-01 20:58 <Ubit> mb that is not 0.9 :p
2016-10-01 20:58 <nebadon> yea they are running older version
2016-10-01 20:58 <Ubit> 0.8.3
2016-10-01 20:58 <nebadon> when i moved it was like 1/2 steps
2016-10-01 20:58 <Ubit> whatever that is
2016-10-01 20:58 <nebadon> lots of wierdness there
2016-10-01 20:59 <Ubit> think it was where we add avn merge
2016-10-01 20:59 <Ubit> uff don't remember
2016-10-01 20:59 <Plugh> diva, Ubit: I started a summary of all the changes in the avn dump. I've don'e about 1/3 of it and still need to go through the rest.
2016-10-01 21:00 <Ubit> udp is working
2016-10-01 21:00 <Ubit> so why no prims ??
2016-10-01 21:11 <Ubit> isn't 0,8,3 a early 0.9 ?
2016-10-01 21:16 <Ubit> everyone that sits on a prim i see at 0,0,0
2016-10-01 21:16 <Ubit> bc i didnt' got the prim
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2016-10-02 10:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #5035 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-10-02 10:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5035: SUCCESS in 6 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5035/
2016-10-02 10:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  change avatar and attachments priority (downgraded) in priritizer option SimpleAngularDistance
2016-10-02 10:30 <tglion> Hi, if I select physics=ubODE and  meshing=ubODEMeshmerizer, then I can't walk thrugh mesh-doors or mesh-holes. Is this a bug? If I select meshing=Meshmerizer it works. But the config-comment says: I MUST use ubODEMeshmerizer if I use ubODE as physics. Is there any danger if I don't follw the comment and use Meshmerizer with ubODE?
2016-10-02 10:31 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/0.9.0.0_Release#Known_issues
2016-10-02 10:31 <Ubit> see that please
2016-10-02 10:32 <Ubit> ( english still needs to be corrected ;) )
2016-10-02 10:32 <Ubit> and we are still editing it
2016-10-02 10:34 <tglion> yes i know this. But the question is: what is problematic if I use Meshemrizer instead of ubMeshmrizer for ubODE physics? Is ther any danger, or should I not use this combination?
2016-10-02 10:34 <Ubit> Do not do that
2016-10-02 10:35 <Ubit> isn't that clear on the coments? :(
2016-10-02 10:35 <tglion> Its clear, but the commends don't explain why ;-)
2016-10-02 10:35 <Ubit> other thing will break yes
2016-10-02 10:36 <Ubit> ODE and bullet need diferent things for their "mesh"
2016-10-02 10:36 <Ubit> like many things it may seem to work... but.. BUMMM 
2016-10-02 10:37 <Ubit> lol
2016-10-02 10:37 <tglion> hehe, mhh ok. do you know witch things breaks exactly? 
2016-10-02 10:37 <tglion> -t
2016-10-02 10:37 <Ubit> i do
2016-10-02 10:37 <Ubit> :p
2016-10-02 10:38 <Ubit> several things...
2016-10-02 10:38 <Ubit> seen that ODE does not have native convex ?
2016-10-02 10:38 <Ubit> while bullet has?
2016-10-02 10:39 <tglion> ok, thanks for the infos. Is there a fix soon for walking through mesh-doors for e.g. Or need still some time of development?
2016-10-02 10:40 <Ubit> you missed that we wiil in distante future make bullet do the same on that?
2016-10-02 10:40 <Ubit> because it IS NOW a bug
2016-10-02 10:40 <Ubit> err
2016-10-02 10:40 <Ubit> NOT
2016-10-02 10:41 <Ubit> if fixing the suport to a creator upload option !!
2016-10-02 10:42 <Ubit> those mesh can be fixed,, is not hard to make a tool for that 
2016-10-02 10:42 <Ubit> but needs to be used case by case
2016-10-02 10:42 <tglion> mhhh i am not sure i understanding that right: need I a migration of meshes inworld, is there any tool to doing that?
2016-10-02 10:42 <Ubit> see ?
2016-10-02 10:43 <Ubit> i did make such a tool, bc as i said is case by case
2016-10-02 10:43 <tglion> ok
2016-10-02 10:43 <Ubit> the other fixes are easier..
2016-10-02 10:43 <Ubit> creator fix is the best option 
2016-10-02 10:44 <Ubit> damm that text is still not clear enough ? :(
2016-10-02 10:45 <tglion> sorry, english ist not my native language, so I try to understand it :P
2016-10-02 10:45 <Ubit> well not mine either lol
2016-10-02 10:46 <tglion> What is your native? if I may ask :-)
2016-10-02 10:46 <Ubit> portuguese
2016-10-02 10:46 <tglion> ah ok :-))
2016-10-02 10:47 <Ubit> well main thing is that it is a good creator choice to upload a mesh that cannot be used as PRIM
2016-10-02 10:47 <Ubit> for now only ubOde respects that choice..
2016-10-02 10:48 <Ubit> because opensim didnot respected it, some creators used it by mistake
2016-10-02 10:48 <Ubit> see ?
2016-10-02 10:49 <tglion> Mhhh ok, is there a description how to upload a mesh correctly for ubODE?
2016-10-02 10:50 <Ubit> on this issue, if you want a mesh to be used with type PRIM  you need to select something at step 1
2016-10-02 10:50 <Ubit> ( on current viewers )
2016-10-02 10:51 <Ubit> for now mb you should avoid steps 2 and 3
2016-10-02 10:51 <Ubit> or not.. depends they may work fine for your mesh  on all engines
2016-10-02 10:51 <Ubit> ( assuming the viewer doesn't break it itself )
2016-10-02 10:52 <tglion> ok thanks for that info, I will try this :-)
2016-10-02 10:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #5036 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-10-02 10:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5036: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5036/
2016-10-02 10:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor cleanup
2016-10-02 11:02 <tglion> What is with meshes from e.g. osgrid freebies, I can't reupload this, because I do not have the original dae file?
2016-10-02 11:09 <Ubit> as i said  its a case by case thing
2016-10-02 11:09 <Ubit> and is a issue for objects where you are suposed to walk into like houses
2016-10-02 11:10 <Ubit> not for a car, that should never allow a mesh to collide
2016-10-02 11:11 <Ubit> ( at least when running )
2016-10-02 11:12 <Ubit> with introdution of meshs LL broke a bit the "Your world, your imagination" thing
2016-10-02 11:12 <Ubit> bc meshs do require a lot more understanding that the normal prims
2016-10-02 11:13 <Ubit> than...
2016-10-02 11:13 <Ubit> guess that is why in they new thing only professional registered creators can add content
2016-10-02 11:13 <tglion> yes. But I have still a problem to decide what to do now: Go back to Bullet (bad walk on stears) or use ubODE but I can't walk through Mesh-Doors, what is not made by myself I have much of them in my regions. I can't reupload them.
2016-10-02 11:14 <Ubit> at least as is seen on some blog..
2016-10-02 11:14 <Ubit> if it is a simple thing you may be able to add a few prims to fix its collision
2016-10-02 11:15 <Ubit> ( if it is a complex one  then the option is possible corrent.. that thing should never be used by physics :p )
2016-10-02 11:16 <Ubit> ie on some of those things is a blessing  ppl that uploaded them made that mistake :P
2016-10-02 11:17 <tglion> ok, unfortunatly I don't understand this or I don't know how to doing this to solve my problem :-)
2016-10-02 11:17 <Ubit> as i said.. is is a case by case thing :(
2016-10-02 11:18 <Ubit> what is your case a house?
2016-10-02 11:19 <tglion> ok, so I have to go back to Bullet oder ODE engine until there is a solution for my problem with that mesh-doors.
2016-10-02 11:20 <tglion> Its a frame of a meshdoor with meshdoor as second prim. I can't walk through that mesh frame if door is open
2016-10-02 11:21 <Ubit> is it the frame or the house?
2016-10-02 11:21 <Ubit> is it at osgrid?
2016-10-02 11:22 <tglion> Only a frame, i have still not testet other meshes or houses
2016-10-02 11:24 <Ubit> of course  you can just keep using bullet
2016-10-02 11:25 <Ubit> eventually ( months year? ) bullet will have features identical to ubOde
2016-10-02 11:25 <Ubit> like sits etc
2016-10-02 11:25 <Ubit> but can't promisse when..
2016-10-02 11:25 <Ubit> ( it will not be done by me ;) )
2016-10-02 11:25 <tglion> Its on my inventory in osgrid and rezzed in my grid. I can rez it on my test-grid on osgrid again to look there.
2016-10-02 11:26 <Ubit> well you can show it to me at osg
2016-10-02 11:26 <Ubit> ( im not that good builder :P )
2016-10-02 11:29 <tglion> The best solution on my situation is, to have any tool to migrate that on the region without to having reuplad this :-) Its not a drama it still not possible or tool is still not aviavle for me. But it is a wish :-)
2016-10-02 11:29 <Ubit> ubOde is not new..  it is only new on opensim
2016-10-02 11:29 <Ubit> ( well  i did update and added new features already :p )
2016-10-02 11:30 <Ubit> but was done in paralell ( even before) with bullet in diferent context
2016-10-02 11:30 <Ubit> so they are diferent
2016-10-02 11:31 <Ubit> now that we do have them both on same context, we can work out some of the diferences, reducing them
2016-10-02 11:31 <Ubit> so the ones left are the ones from them diferent libraries
2016-10-02 11:32 <Ubit> from their
2016-10-02 11:32 <Ubit> of course ubOde will always be better
2016-10-02 11:32 <Ubit> coff coff cofff :p
2016-10-02 11:32 <Ubit> ( this was only to tease misterblue.. ignore ;) )
2016-10-02 11:33 <Ubit> well if you want bring that thing to my test region at osg
2016-10-02 11:33 <tglion> :-) Yes, its seem to be best, only the mesh-problem ist disturbing ;-)
2016-10-02 11:34 <Ubit> well as i said now we will try to reduce diferences
2016-10-02 11:35 <Ubit> already did on crossings
2016-10-02 11:35 <Ubit> bullet is now happy with the crossing changes ubOde took with it
2016-10-02 11:37 <tglion> ok, ok :P . Another problem I have with ubODE on  my Grid is: I fly an crossing border of regions, the avatar stops and i have to release the fwd-key for a seccond to move forward  again. I do not have this effect on Bullet.
2016-10-02 11:38 <Ubit> actually was happenig with bullet till yesterday commits
2016-10-02 11:39 <Ubit> ( still not on the release candidate )
2016-10-02 11:39 <tglion> I have tested this today with latest get master :-)
2016-10-02 11:39 <tglion> git
2016-10-02 11:39 <Ubit> well i don't see that on my test set with ubode
2016-10-02 11:41 <Ubit> both regions on 0.9 ?
2016-10-02 11:41 <tglion> Mhhh, thats on my grid. I will try this on osgrid with same version now.
2016-10-02 11:41 <Ubit> see for example region Newton
2016-10-02 11:41 <tglion> I tested this one: commit 878fac3fe3626a6bff003a8a6d7efce9e0d83e8a (origin/master, origin/HEAD, master)
2016-10-02 11:41 <Ubit> and sis...
2016-10-02 11:42 <Ubit> one running bullet other ubode i thing
2016-10-02 11:42 <Ubit> think
2016-10-02 11:43 <Ubit> but well we only say improved crossings.. don't say perfect crossings :p
2016-10-02 11:43 <tglion> I will try to raise 2 ubODE regions on osgrid and retest, need some minutes to doing that and report back here :-)
2016-10-02 11:45 <tglion> But the goal is perfect crossings, or not? :P ;-)
2016-10-02 11:45 <Ubit> they will always depend on network etc etc
2016-10-02 11:45 <Ubit> thats why we have var regions
2016-10-02 11:45 <tglion> :-)
2016-10-02 11:46 <Ubit> if you want car, ships, airplanes racing etc..  you need a var region
2016-10-02 11:47 <Ubit> ( and be carefull on the region content :P )
2016-10-02 11:49 <Ubit> but region crossings are important
2016-10-02 11:50 <Ubit> normal size regions packeted as a continent are a distributed sistem
2016-10-02 11:51 <Ubit> so should scale better 
2016-10-02 11:52 <Ubit> petty that we droped smaller size regions
2016-10-02 11:52 <Ubit> i did like my 64x64 regions
2016-10-02 11:56 <Ubit> ( and there is intel DS.. thing for improved distribution )
2016-10-02 12:00 <Ubit> ( ok i made everyone fall asleep )
2016-10-02 12:07 <tglion> sorry for afk :-) yes on my grid I have already var regions 1024x1024 and 2048x2048 for testing :-) But never tried smaller ones than 512x512 :P
2016-10-02 12:07 <Ubit> of course you did
2016-10-02 12:08 <Ubit> 256x256 :p
2016-10-02 12:08 <tglion> the rest is normal regions 256x256 :-)
2016-10-02 12:08 <Ubit> varregions aren't that diferent
2016-10-02 12:08 <tglion> Does smaller ones than 256 have any benefit?
2016-10-02 12:09 <Ubit> we just keep calling them that 
2016-10-02 12:10 <Ubit> we can't have them bc they are hard to fit on a grid
2016-10-02 12:10 <Ubit> thats why the restriction of multiples of 256m
2016-10-02 12:11 <tglion> But I am still uncertain, if there are running in issues if I take together diferent sized regions as neightbours?
2016-10-02 12:11 <Ubit> oherwise placing them on agrid would be harder
2016-10-02 12:11 <Ubit> specially viewer side code
2016-10-02 12:11 <Ubit> that should be better now
2016-10-02 12:12 <tglion> :-)
2016-10-02 12:13 <Ubit> my testset is a 3x var and a normal 
2016-10-02 12:36 <tglion> Oh, I try run a new ubODE region on osgrid and get this errors:
2016-10-02 12:36 <tglion> 14:29:46 - [SCENE]: Failed on region SideVillage with exception Object reference not set to an instance of an object  at OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModule.ubOde.ODEScene.Simulate (Single reqTimeStep) [0x006a4] in /opt/opensim/DeepImpact/OpenSim/Region/PhysicsModules/ubOde/ODEScene.cs:1831     
2016-10-02 12:36 <tglion> Mhhh I doing something wrong in configurations? I need some time to analyze this now... :P
2016-10-02 12:39 <tglion> ok, it was a typo in meshing = .. ;-)
2016-10-02 13:08 <tglion> ok, the stopping effect on border-crossing with ubODE is in osgrid too on my test-regions with git 878fac3fe3626a6bff003a8a6d7efce9e0d83e8a, I try to create a bugreport on mantis...
2016-10-02 14:00 <osmantis> Bug #8030:04 Border crossing issue with ubODE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8030 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-10-02 15:16 <smxy> Melanie_T (or anyone that definitively knows): What's the current best version of Mono to build and run current Dev Master Head with/on - is is still 4.3.2.467? I'm trying to find out if I should build a ne Mono before I build and update OpenSim.
2016-10-02 15:17 <smxy> ... build a new* ...
2016-10-02 15:29 <smxy> nebadon: Do you happen to know? ^^
2016-10-02 15:30 <Ubit> guess they both can help you when not afk
2016-10-02 15:30 <smxy> Yup.
2016-10-02 15:30 <Ubit> ive no idea sorry
2016-10-02 15:31 <smxy> I'll build with what I've been using, for now. If they recommend something higher, I can rebuild/reupdate later.
2016-10-02 15:31 <smxy> Just figured I'd ask, first.
2016-10-02 15:31 <Ubit> if that was ok for 0.8.2  think still is ok, .net 4.0 requeriment is not new i think
2016-10-02 15:32 <Ubit> ( ie compatible mono profile )
2016-10-02 15:33 <smxy> I'm running Dev Master from a couple months ago, that was built with that. Should still be fine. Just was wondering if there was a better version to use, is all. I can easily rebuild/reupdate later, after one of them has replied, if needed. :)
2016-10-02 15:34 <Ubit> worse with mono is some versions bugs :(
2016-10-02 15:35 <Ubit> like that one that ignores ips ttl  making dyndsn as static etc
2016-10-02 15:35 <smxy> <sarcasm>Lovely.</sarcasm>
2016-10-02 15:35 <Ubit> or another on networkstream send that looses data it seems
2016-10-02 15:36 <Ubit> ( things i got reading here :) )
2016-10-02 15:38 <Ubit> kokuaOS tps on map are broken on large regions ( they already know)
2016-10-02 15:38 <smxy> Yeah, I've not been as engaged here, as I would like. RL has been consuming me, as of late.
2016-10-02 15:43 <smxy> I've been working on my friend's estate, trying to get the data together to file all the appropriate taxes (there are so many, and I missed a few filing dates, ugh), and one of my beloved cats was diagnosed with terminal cancer in July - I had to have her euhanized on the 19th of this month. :( So, my grid hasn't had the attention it should. Trying to rectify that today, with a refresh.
2016-10-02 15:51 <Ubit> oh poor cat..  i lost one to cancer also
2016-10-02 15:52 <Ubit> but did not euthanized.. im kidda against that
2016-10-02 15:53 <Plugh> smxy: nebadon said he is using mono 4.6
2016-10-02 15:53 <Plugh> smxy: I was going to try that but I can't get it to compile.
2016-10-02 15:54 <Plugh> smxy: Sorry to hear about your cat. I went through something similar with mine back in February. I know how much it hurts.
2016-10-02 16:00 <smxy> It's been almost two weeks. I still have moments where I cry about it. I really loved that little cat. Got her at 4 weeks old; had to bottle-feed her and use a warm wash-rag to stimulate her to do her business afterwards. She was 14 years old, when I let her go. She was fine until two days before the end and she started to go downhill fast. The day before, she was clearly sufferring, which 
2016-10-02 16:00 <smxy> I couldn't let go on, so I had her euthanized. She went peacefully, in my arms, looking at my face and hearing my voice.
2016-10-02 16:18 <smxy> Did this disappear from osslEnable.ini in the past two months, or did I add it to mine at some point and forget I did it? :) Allow_osForceAttachToOtherAvatarFromInventory = false
2016-10-02 16:18 <osmantis> Bug #8030:04 Border crossing issue with ubODE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8030 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-02 16:19 <Plugh> Mine didn't go quite that fast. He had a good annual checkup then 4 months later started throwing up after almost every meal and started losing weight. A lump was discovered in the stomach area. Vet wasn't sure what it was. A couple treatments were tried but it wasn't enough or it was the wrong treatment. My cat was also around 14 or so and we were told it would probably not survive an operation if that might fix
2016-10-02 16:21 <smxy> I'm sorry to hear that. With Xena, they said it was terminal, because it was a hug lump on the top of her head, and to remove it, they'd have to basically remove the top of her head, which wouldn't have been survivable. :(
2016-10-02 16:21 <Plugh> She lost 25% of her body weight and was spending most of her days hiding in a closet. By then there wasn't much more we could do for him and he wasn't having much of a life so we had to make the hard decision and let him go. 
2016-10-02 16:21 <smxy> It's such a hard decision. :(
2016-10-02 16:21 <Plugh> He passed away peacefully on his tower looking out in to the garden where we first found him and where he liked to go for walks.
2016-10-02 16:22 <smxy> :)
2016-10-02 16:22 <Plugh> Its been over 6 months and I can still almost start crying if I think too much about that day.
2016-10-02 16:23 <Ubit> well i extended my cat life some 8 months, most of that time with "good quality life" till she finally died in my arms
2016-10-02 16:23 <smxy> This conversation already has me crying.
2016-10-02 16:23 <Ubit> well it is life..
2016-10-02 16:24 <Ubit> i do have 2 crazy ones now :)
2016-10-02 16:24 <smxy> I'm glad you got that long, Ubit. I hoped for more than 2 months, for Xena, but after 14 years, I was being greedy, I guess.
2016-10-02 16:25 <smxy> I still have her brother (and littermate) Yoda. He's been diabetic for five years and requires an insulin shot twice a day, but is doing fine, otherwise.
2016-10-02 16:25 <Ubit> well i could take care of her during that time
2016-10-02 16:26 <Ubit> at on the worse moments i had to feed her bits by bits.. etc
2016-10-02 16:26 <smxy> And I have three other cats, too. They all help me get through this.
2016-10-02 16:26 <Ubit> i only had that one then
2016-10-02 16:26 <smxy> Yes, I had to spend a half hour at feeding times, coaxing her to even eat a little, towards the end.
2016-10-02 16:27 <Ubit> well you can see her pin on my sl and osg profiles still
2016-10-02 16:27 <Ubit> her pic
2016-10-02 16:28 <smxy> This was Xena, in Jauary, before she got sick: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16941610/Cats/Xena.jpeg
2016-10-02 16:28 <smxy> And her almost identical twin brother: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16941610/Cats/Yoda.jpeg
2016-10-02 16:28 <Ubit> nice
2016-10-02 16:29 <Ubit> hmm i don't have pics of my two crazy ones 
2016-10-02 16:30 <smxy> I have a 3rd 14 year old - Captain Kirk (though I just call him Captain), that I inherited from my Aunt last year, when her dementia got too bad: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16941610/Cats/Captain%28Kirk%29.jpeg
2016-10-02 16:31 <Ubit> james t kirk ? :)
2016-10-02 16:31 <smxy> And then there are my two 4 year olds, Rose and Opus (littermates): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16941610/Cats/Rose.jpeg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16941610/Cats/Opus.jpeg
2016-10-02 16:31 <smxy> Yeah, my aunt named him after Captain Kirk. :)
2016-10-02 16:31 <smxy> lol
2016-10-02 16:31 <Plugh> My house only had the one cat. After we lost Ash I wasn't sure I wanted another cat. Another family member thought it might help with getting over his loss so 2.5 months later we started looking for a new cat and got a new one May 1.
2016-10-02 16:32 <Ubit> my fiusa looks a bit like your black and white one
2016-10-02 16:32 <Plugh> Ubit, is there any other Kirk? ;)
2016-10-02 16:32 <smxy> I'm not getting any more cats until I run out of the ones I have, which will take a bit over a decade more, I think.
2016-10-02 16:32 <osmantis> Bug #8030:04 Border crossing issue with ubODE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8030 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-02 16:33 <Ubit> my pixie is a bit larger, similar "face look"  but white and grey
2016-10-02 16:33 <smxy> :)
2016-10-02 16:34 <Ubit> well the diferent size and colours may them look more diferent then they actually are :)
2016-10-02 16:34 <Ubit> they are sisters 
2016-10-02 16:40 <smxy> The other cats' behavior has startyed changing already. Xena ruled the house. Rose and Opus have realized I'm not hers exclusively now, and have become lap cats. Captain is more willing to come upstairs and visit, now that she isn't hissing at him, and Yoda's gooten more affectionate (which I didn;t think was possible).
2016-10-02 16:41 <Ubit> :)
2016-10-02 16:41 <Ubit> my smaller one teases the other to play
2016-10-02 16:41 <Ubit> 1 minute later is all hungry bc the other hearted here lol
2016-10-02 16:42 <smxy> I'm pretty sure that Yoda and Captain would have preferred that it was Rose and Opus who went away. They don;t think much of the rug-rats. :)
2016-10-02 16:46 <smxy> Oh, a check of the commit logs shows that that osslEnable.ini line wasn't added - it moved within the file. I've made the change in my configs. :)
2016-10-02 16:47 <Ubit> hmm think i did something like that by request ???
2016-10-02 16:47 <smxy> It moved from one threat level to another.
2016-10-02 16:54 <smxy> Ubit: Yes, it was you who made the change, on 8/15. So you're memory hasn't failed (yet).
2016-10-02 16:54 <smxy> :)
2016-10-02 16:55 <Ubit> :)
2016-10-02 16:58 <smxy> diva__: I'm updating my grid from two month old Dev master to current Head. You may recall that I run  Wifi in a separate Robust of its own, and that I also use your grid management addon for it. When I started it up after updating, it seems to have started okay, but spat this out: http://pastebin.com/fKj1kgrJ
2016-10-02 17:02 <smxy> Heh, that link looks lik cat tracks.
2016-10-02 17:03 <smxy> like*
2016-10-02 17:03 <Ubit> :)
2016-10-02 17:23 <Melanie_> smxy: I haven't progressed past 4/3/2
2016-10-02 17:24 <Melanie_> it works for me
2016-10-02 17:25 <smxy> Okay, thanks.
2016-10-02 18:41 <smxy> Ubit: I'm noticing behaviour I haven't seen before. I have a set of 16 regions, laid out as a 4x4. When I fly across borders, I seem to keep flying right on through region after region, unless I use the arrow keys to stop myself.
2016-10-02 18:41 <smxy> Bulletsim.
2016-10-02 18:44 <Ubit> that sounds like lag 
2016-10-02 18:45 <smxy> It *may* be related to the fact theat my entire grid is running on one physical host, instead of two, as the other one has a PSU issue. So it may be laggier than usual.
2016-10-02 18:45 <smxy> Which is what you just said. :)
2016-10-02 18:45 <Ubit> when the region crossing is done the pressed key os keys should be sent normally to the new region
2016-10-02 18:45 <Ubit> ::or keys..
2016-10-02 18:45 <smxy> I'll get the PSU issue resolved in a day or two and then even out the server load again.
2016-10-02 18:46 <Ubit> during the cross the fly or movement is actually done by the viewer interpolators
2016-10-02 18:46 <Ubit> regions are sending nothing see ?
2016-10-02 18:47 <Ubit> multithread or single thread bullet ?
2016-10-02 18:47 <smxy> It runs on its own thread.
2016-10-02 18:48 <smxy> I'll chalk it up to server load and will check it again after the other server is handling half the VMs again.
2016-10-02 18:50 <Ubit> keep in mind we say improved crossings.. not perfect crossings :)
2016-10-02 19:01 <smxy> Yes. Gods forbid everything should actually work right.
2016-10-02 19:03 <Ubit> :)
2016-10-02 19:05 <smxy> I think I'll go yank and re-seat those PSUs. See if that makes the server happy. It says they are both fine, on the one hand, but on the other, it says that there is not enough power for what the server is asking for. Hmmm.
2016-10-02 19:05 <smxy> One of these things can't be correct. :)
2016-10-02 19:18 <tglion> I think, the viewer is only send to server, if key pressed (fwd for eg.), and then send if release it, to change the action-state. If I hold the fwd key on crossing, the new Region get not the same state from the region comming from, so I stopping and have to release an pressing again the fwd key to continue the walk or fly. I don't know If this is viewer bug of Singularity 1.8.7 not...
2016-10-02 19:18 <tglion> ...corrctly handle this, or its some odd configuration on this, so others does not have this same issue?
2016-10-02 19:21 <Ubit> no tg
2016-10-02 19:21 <Ubit> its about 10times per second current keys state etc
2016-10-02 19:22 <Ubit> well if i remember well
2016-10-02 19:23 <Ubit> ( i looked to that code yesterday..  before today's lunch that i no longer remember :p )
2016-10-02 19:23 <smxy> Unplugging and reseating the PSUs didn;t help. so then I powered the server down, unplugged the PSUs, waited a few second, plugged them back in and the server powered up without complaint. Not sure what happened, so I'll keep an eye on it. But now I'll go move some VMs and get this load balanced.
2016-10-02 19:23 <tglion> mhh ok, this was only a assumption. :-) Its still a strange issue for me :-)
2016-10-02 19:24 <Ubit> yeap it is strange :(
2016-10-02 19:24 <Ubit> why you. only N/S and only ubode
2016-10-02 19:28 <tglion> I dunno. I try to understand whats going on, to read the sourcecode of opensim, not sure I can see or understand this shortly. I need some time to analyze it :P If there is a problem, you will find it faster than me :-)
2016-10-02 19:29 <Ubit> it does not happen to me or dan with identical viewer
2016-10-02 19:29 <Ubit> or you with fs
2016-10-02 19:29 <Ubit> so sounds like viewer side
2016-10-02 19:31 <smxy> I love virtualiztion. I can just tell a VM to migrate to another server, and it does, and no one using it is the wiser. :)
2016-10-02 19:32 <tglion> Yes, it possible there is a difference on configuration or somewhat other. But I have no idea at the moment what can it be, unfortunately.
2016-10-02 19:33 <Ubit> velocity interpolators are on on that viewer?
2016-10-02 19:35 <tglion> Or bug is on both sides (viewer and opensim/ubODE), which triggers only in special situation thats comes together.
2016-10-02 19:36 <smxy> That's a possibility, but a bit of a stretch.
2016-10-02 19:36 <Ubit> if(sp.FirstName ==" tglion")  return "fail cross";
2016-10-02 19:37 <smxy> That might be worth looking at. :p
2016-10-02 19:37 <tglion> I don't know that "velocity interpolator" or what it mean. Is that a configuration somewhere in the viewer? I had not found this switch in Singularity.
2016-10-02 19:37 <Ubit> it is on advanced menu somewhere
2016-10-02 19:38 <Ubit> im with kokua now.. diferent place :)
2016-10-02 19:38 <tglion> ok, thanks. I try look again
2016-10-02 19:38 <Ubit> but guess their are on
2016-10-02 19:39 <Ubit> or you will be complaing things moved in jumps :)
2016-10-02 19:40 <Ubit> hmm log at osg and came to my testset
2016-10-02 19:41 <Ubit> i can try to breakcode on crossing and see
2016-10-02 19:44 <tglion> Mhhh I can try it. Which region shoud I try?
2016-10-02 19:45 <Ubit> ubittest and if find on map
2016-10-02 19:45 <Ubit> hit
2016-10-02 19:45 <tglion> ok
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2016-10-02 22:23 <NickyP> Kokua  "velocity interpolator" Develop->Network->Velocity Interpolate Objects
2016-10-02 22:25 <osmantis> Bug #8010:04 BulletSim does not always call collision events on collisions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8010 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-02 22:25 <Ubit> yeap thx NickyP
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2016-10-03 14:17 <osmantis> Bug #8030:04 Border crossing issue with ubODE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8030 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-03 14:32 <osmantis> Bug #8030:04 Border crossing issue with ubODE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8030 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-03 14:51 <osmantis> Bug #4932:04 Set voice enabled when creating a new "land" table entry 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4932 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-03 15:08 <osmantis> Bug #4932:04 Set voice enabled when creating a new "land" table entry 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4932 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-03 15:12 <osmantis> Bug #4932:04 Set voice enabled when creating a new "land" table entry 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4932 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-03 15:12 <osmantis> Bug #4932:04 Set voice enabled when creating a new "land" table entry 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4932 ): has been CLOSED
2016-10-03 15:16 <Ubit> outch that was fast :)
2016-10-03 15:16 <Ubit> what is necrobump ?
2016-10-03 15:19 <vegaslon> taking any topic that is more then a few years old and commenting on it rather then making a new one
2016-10-03 15:19 <Ubit> ohh thx
2016-10-03 15:20 <vegaslon> in a forum setting it is usually anything that has not been commented on for more then 3 months
2016-10-03 15:21 <Ubit> as that case :)
2016-10-03 15:21 <vegaslon> ya it can be a little vague with a mantis but that was a clear case of asking a question about something not related at all to that mantis
2016-10-03 15:33 <Ubit> vegas can go my testset again?
2016-10-03 15:48 <vegaslon> ok
2016-10-03 20:15 <Ubit> Ahhh my guineapig is bad!!!
2016-10-03 20:15 <Ubit> hihihihi
2016-10-03 20:15 <Ubit> err back..
2016-10-03 20:16 <vegaslon> lol
2016-10-03 20:18 <Ubit> well i made a bit more changes
2016-10-03 20:18 <Ubit> so when you have the time.. :)
2016-10-03 20:21 <Ken_Savage> Anything specific to be looking for in the latest dev master when testing?
2016-10-03 20:22 <Ubit> avatar crossings isses fixed in bullet, showed up in ubOde :)
2016-10-03 20:24 <Ken_Savage> hmmmm, I dont have any ubODE sims that touch borders right now.
2016-10-03 20:24 <Ubit> also only on singu and some ppl
2016-10-03 20:57 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-03 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-03 22:03 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-10-03 22:10 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-03 22:32 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-03 23:07 <osmantis> Bug #7904:04 Slow Object CONTENTS loading blocks building 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-04 04:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #5037 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-10-04 04:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5037: SUCCESS in 6 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5037/
2016-10-04 04:33 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: zero velocity target when setting velocity through the
2016-10-04 07:43 <fubarr> grrr cant type :(
2016-10-04 07:44 <fubarr> anyhow - was wondering about the history or Regions.ini. Why was region instance data not stuffed into a database table?
2016-10-04 15:03 <kyle_brynner> 60*8
2016-10-04 15:03 <kyle_brynner> oups, wrong window…
2016-10-04 18:00 <Plugh> Weekly developer meeting about to start in osgrid for those who are interested.
2016-10-04 18:02 <Ubit> meeting is not on my testset :p
2016-10-04 18:05 <James_Atlloud> lol
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2016-10-05 00:44 <nebadon> wierd seems like if I have HTTP Inventory enabled in Singularity i cant load any inventory on my local standalone
2016-10-05 00:45 <nebadon> if turn off HTTP Inventory everything loads instantly in inventory
2016-10-05 00:45 <nebadon> like inventory doesnt even download, cant expand any folders
2016-10-05 00:45 <nebadon> avatar is a cloud
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2016-10-05 11:52 <Ubit> check router etc settings neb
2016-10-05 11:53 <Ubit> portfw things like that
2016-10-05 11:58 <Ubit> well if it is a standalone only for your use,  use only intranet ips
2016-10-05 12:24 <Ubit> hmm?
2016-10-05 12:24 <Ubit> i didn't change bullet
2016-10-05 12:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #5038 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-10-05 12:28 <Ubit> well jist git things it seems
2016-10-05 12:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5038: SUCCESS in 6 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5038/
2016-10-05 12:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: dont let ignored AgentUpdates change their throttles. Apply respective movement to physics on the handling thread, not heartbeat, avoiding missing transitions that should get into physics. Make some usefull sp state flags visible everywhere
2016-10-05 12:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #5039 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-10-05 12:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5039: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5039/
2016-10-05 12:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  remove attachment to event OnPreAgentUpdate that is doing nothing
2016-10-05 14:00 <Plugh> Does an instance of OpenSim run via mono use more memory than it does when the same instance is run under Windows?
2016-10-05 14:01 <Ubit> guess we can't tell 
2016-10-05 14:02 <Ubit> at most compare some cases..
2016-10-05 14:02 <Plugh> ok
2016-10-05 14:02 <Ubit> see a Bool for example  can take from a byte to a full cpy line cache size
2016-10-05 14:02 <Ubit> ( ie 16 bytes )
2016-10-05 14:04 <Ubit> if is the only member of something  the JIT decided it is best to align in cache
2016-10-05 14:04 <Ubit> so depends on the low level details of the implementation..
2016-10-05 14:05 <Ubit> identical issue is padding bytes also for aligment purposes
2016-10-05 14:05 <Ubit> blablabla :)
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2016-10-06 01:58 <osmantis> Bug #8031:04 Very slow simulator start up time with regions containing lots of scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8031 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-10-06 02:05 <osmantis> Bug #8031:04 Very slow simulator start up time with regions containing lots of scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8031 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-10-06 02:12 <osmantis> Bug #8031:04 Very slow simulator start up time with regions containing lots of scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8031 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-06 02:13 <osmantis> Bug #8031:04 Very slow simulator start up time with regions containing lots of scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8031 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2016-10-06 02:14 <Ubit> grr im trying to write a answer :p
2016-10-06 02:14 <Plugh> :)
2016-10-06 02:15 <Plugh> I'm done. Write away.
2016-10-06 02:19 <osmantis> Bug #8031:04 Very slow simulator start up time with regions containing lots of scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8031 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-06 02:19 <Ubit> ok read 
2016-10-06 02:21 <Ubit> did you read Plugh ? :p
2016-10-06 02:22 <Plugh> I just did. I have compile on start off and I'm still being told of longer load times. I'll have to make sure that the report of longer load time is recent.
2016-10-06 02:23 <Ubit> it will take time on first run yes
2016-10-06 02:24 <Ubit> if the scripts where compiled and are on that folder, that code does not run 
2016-10-06 02:24 <Ubit> err the option you should have set to false is.. errr
2016-10-06 02:25 <Ubit> DeleteScriptsOnStartup
2016-10-06 02:26 <Plugh> Yes. I have it set to false and I'm still being told start up times are longer than they used to be.
2016-10-06 02:26 <Ubit> sp wright plazza will take days to load on the first time
2016-10-06 02:26 <Ubit> ;)
2016-10-06 02:26 <Ubit> well and its that?
2016-10-06 02:27 <Ubit> ubode will also delay the logins enable
2016-10-06 02:43 <nebadon> longer load times for script could also maybe mean they are erasing dlls on startup
2016-10-06 02:44 <Ubit> yeap 
2016-10-06 02:44 <Ubit> if they are there load should be a lot faster as before
2016-10-06 02:44 <nebadon> DeleteScriptsOnStartup = true
2016-10-06 02:44 <nebadon> set that to false
2016-10-06 02:44 <nebadon> should really improve load times
2016-10-06 02:44 <Ubit> yeap
2016-10-06 02:44 <nebadon> true is good if you are constantly testing head
2016-10-06 02:44 <nebadon> but for production environment = false
2016-10-06 02:45 <Ubit> on updates
2016-10-06 02:45 <nebadon> yea better to craft update script to purge dlls
2016-10-06 02:45 <Ubit> and only if we do change some of the script parts
2016-10-06 02:46 <Ubit> like the branch LSLKeyTest does ( states also invalid)
2016-10-06 02:57 <Plugh> nebadon, I'm told load times are still longer than normal even with that set to false.
2016-10-06 03:19 <osmantis> Bug #8031:04 Very slow simulator start up time with regions containing lots of scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8031 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-06 03:33 <osmantis> Bug #8031:04 Very slow simulator start up time with regions containing lots of scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8031 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-06 04:36 <osmantis> Bug #8031:04 Very slow simulator start up time with regions containing lots of scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8031 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-06 04:51 <Ubit> oops
2016-10-06 05:50 <osmantis> Bug #8031:04 Very slow simulator start up time with regions containing lots of scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8031 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-10-06 20:31 <CrasherRob> nebadon, Have you completed a "save iar" command recently for a large inventory avatar?
2016-10-06 21:41 <osmantis> Bug #8031:04 Very slow simulator start up time with regions containing lots of scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8031 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-06 21:57 <osmantis> Bug #8031:04 Very slow simulator start up time with regions containing lots of scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8031 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-06 21:59 <osmantis> Bug #8031:04 Very slow simulator start up time with regions containing lots of scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8031 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-06 21:59 <osmantis> Bug #8031:04 Very slow simulator start up time with regions containing lots of scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8031 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-07 02:37 <Plugh> OpenSim in Standalone mode gets stuck during shutdown at "Shutdown processing on main thread complete.  Exiting..."
2016-10-07 02:37 <Plugh> The instance was being run by mono 4.6
2016-10-07 02:43 <Plugh> I'm starting to think that mono 4.6 is not a good one to use to run OpenSim 
2016-10-09 00:12 <Ubit> sll ??  yeackkk ssl !!
2016-10-09 04:29 <nebadon> http://onikenkon.com/osgtm
2016-10-09 06:42 <osmantis> Bug #8033:04 Velocity from llRezObject is too high 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8033 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-10-09 18:20 <Matova> hi all :)
2016-10-09 18:25 <Matova> about llPushObject and llMoveToTarget using ubODE is 98% ok. BulletSim bad result.
2016-10-09 21:30 <osmantis> Bug #8024:04 Persist baked terrain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8024 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2016-10-10 01:40 <Badaboooom> hello
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2016-10-10 19:04 <osmantis> Bug #8035:04 Parcel Primlimit does not work correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8035 ): Der folgende Eintrag wurde erfasst.
2016-10-10 19:53 <osmantis> Bug #8035:04 Parcel Primlimit does not work correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-10-11 00:41 <osmantis> Bug #8035:04 Parcel Primlimit does not work correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-11 00:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #5040 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-10-11 00:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5040: SUCCESS in 6 min 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5040/
2016-10-11 00:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  change math on GetParcelMaxPrimCount and GetSimulatorMaxPrimCount to reduce round errors, limit both to region max prims. consider ObjectBonus on last one also. Change a variable name in PrimLimitsModule to make it more clear
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2016-10-11 17:56 <Plugh> Its that time of the week again, folks. Time to gather in osgrid for the weekly os developer meeting.
2016-10-11 18:14 <nebadon> Ubit and Misterblue meeting time if you want to come :)
2016-10-11 20:39 <Priestov> hi all
2016-10-11 20:40 <Priestov> i have error in runing opensim 0.9.0
2016-10-11 20:40 <Priestov> Configuration file is missing the [SimulationDataStore]: sect
2016-10-11 20:40 <Priestov> ion
2016-10-11 20:52 <nebadon> Priestov that usually means you didnt configure OpenSim.ini correctly
2016-10-11 20:52 <nebadon> at the bottom of the file
2016-10-11 20:53 <nebadon> make sure you select [Architecture] properly
2016-10-11 20:53 <nebadon> then make sure the files it is pointing to exist, you have renamed the proper example files etc..
2016-10-11 20:53 <nebadon> your probably is most likely though misconfiguration not a hug
2016-10-11 20:59 <Priestov> hm... i not have sections Architecture in OpenSim.ini and OpenSimDefaults.ini
2016-10-11 21:00 <nebadon> i would look at the OpenSim.ini.example then
2016-10-11 21:00 <Priestov> in version 0.8.2 they were.
2016-10-11 21:00 <Priestov> in 0.9.0 not
2016-10-11 21:00 <nebadon> sure it is
2016-10-11 21:00 <nebadon> look at the example
2016-10-11 21:01 <Priestov> one sec
2016-10-11 21:01 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=viewblob&p=opensim&h=3fe3992093d94fe5f09dc50bf9f84c08e43dba37&hb=7494d7726afd9f8b9762d78aead918ba7a90efa3&f=bin/OpenSim.ini.example
2016-10-11 21:01 <nebadon> this is from master git 0.9-dev
2016-10-11 21:04 <Priestov> http://pasted.co/85319db5
2016-10-11 21:04 <Priestov> its my opensim.ini
2016-10-11 21:05 <nebadon> that is not a stock ini
2016-10-11 21:05 <nebadon> it appears things are missing though
2016-10-11 21:05 <nebadon> only thing I can suggest is to start with the example
2016-10-11 21:07 <Priestov> thanks
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2016-10-11 21:19 <Priestov> now have it - http://pasted.co/22d592e8
2016-10-12 14:53 <Priestov> hi all
2016-10-12 14:54 <Priestov> after compiling 0.9.0 can not create a user.
2016-10-12 14:54 <Priestov> after co"create user" command responsible "Invalid command"
2016-10-12 14:56 <Priestov> command "help" show only two commands: "kick user" and  "show users"
2016-10-12 14:57 <Priestov> sorry, no "help" but "help users"
2016-10-12 15:01 <AliciaRaven> Priestov, sounds like your in grid mode and typing that into opensim, u need to type create user into robust console not opensim
2016-10-12 15:03 <Priestov> only robust?
2016-10-12 15:05 <AliciaRaven> u cant use that command from opensim console, it is a robust command
2016-10-12 16:41 <Priestov> im have problem in create user in standalone mode. Its my opensim.ini  - http://pasted.co/949f9bfb
2016-10-12 16:42 <Priestov> its prinscreen console - http://prntscr.com/ct003x
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2016-10-13 11:05 <Kreator_> does anyone knows how to install mono 2.10.8.1 to ubuntu 14.4 ? 
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2016-10-14 00:16 <osmantis> Bug #8032:04 This script does not stop when touched 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8032 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-14 04:18 <osmantis> Bug #8036:04 ubODE: Vehicles lose speed, can't steer and/or can't lift off (airplane) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8036 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-10-14 04:25 <osmantis> Bug #8036:04 ubODE: Vehicles lose speed, can't steer and/or can't lift off (airplane) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8036 ): has been UPDATED.
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2016-10-14 15:40 <Matova> Anyone tested bullet ? i did some tests using (vivox voice On on the sim) Each bullet = 1 access to vivox , was tested ode, ubode, bullet sim.
2016-10-14 15:41 <Matova> so the time to die the bullet and back with result is so long. Sometimes the opensim down
2016-10-14 16:09 <Ubit> you mean them temp rez time?
2016-10-14 16:09 <Ubit> you mean the temp rez time?
2016-10-14 16:10 <Ubit> that needs to be resonalble for all uses
2016-10-14 16:11 <Matova> too
2016-10-14 16:11 <Matova> each bullet = 1 vivox access
2016-10-14 16:11 <Ubit> my test bullets have llDie ( and explosions)  on collision_start  and land_collision_start
2016-10-14 16:12 <Ubit> how is a bullet one vivox access ?
2016-10-14 16:12 <Matova> dont know.. 
2016-10-14 16:12 <Matova> but each bullet using vivox on call the service
2016-10-14 16:12 <Matova> dont know why
2016-10-14 16:12 <Ubit> bullets don't talk :)
2016-10-14 16:12 <Matova> i know
2016-10-14 16:12 <Matova> but on the log called
2016-10-14 16:13 <Matova> i am trying to understand yet
2016-10-14 16:13 <Matova> vixox off works better. vivox on many lag and server down.
2016-10-14 16:13 <Ubit> did your avatar jiiter on a parcel border?
2016-10-14 16:15 <Ubit> nopes
2016-10-14 16:15 <Matova> i did a prim with script to be detected and show me some text to test. the bullet after collision waiting some seconds
2016-10-14 16:15 <Matova> each one do a bit lag 
2016-10-14 16:15 <Ubit> my bullets don't do anything to voivox
2016-10-14 16:16 <Matova> ubODE ?
2016-10-14 16:16 <Ubit> yeap but physics is irrelevante  
2016-10-14 16:17 <Ubit> if firing that cannon you seen at my place
2016-10-14 16:17 <Matova> my bullet is temp and physic
2016-10-14 16:17 <Ubit> all are :)
2016-10-14 16:17 <Matova> temp optional
2016-10-14 16:17 <Matova> can be controlled with llDie
2016-10-14 16:18 <Ubit> temp on object rez is optional?
2016-10-14 16:18 <Ubit> hmm
2016-10-14 16:18 <Matova> yes
2016-10-14 16:18 <Ubit> well then possible mine aren't since i use lldies
2016-10-14 16:19 <Matova> correct. Let me check
2016-10-14 16:20 <Ubit> ok only this is auto
2016-10-14 16:20 <Ubit> group.RootPart.SetDieAtEdge(true);
2016-10-14 16:40 <Matova> i see call vivox when the bullet cross the sim
2016-10-14 16:40 <Matova> http://prnt.sc/cttrbn
2016-10-14 16:49 <Ubit> you disabled the die on edge?
2016-10-14 16:51 <Ubit> i see nothing related to crossong on that
2016-10-14 16:52 <Ubit> ok your making me make a new bullet :p
2016-10-14 16:55 <Matova> i think no. what's the parameter to disable die and edge?
2016-10-14 16:59 <Ubit> nopes no vivox on bullet region cross either
2016-10-14 16:59 <Ubit> you need to disable it on the on_rez event
2016-10-14 17:00 <Ubit>         llSetStatus(STATUS_PHANTOM | STATUS_DIE_AT_EDGE ,FALSE);
2016-10-14 17:00 <Ubit>         llSetStatus(STATUS_PHYSICS,TRUE);
2016-10-14 17:00 <Ubit> have this on mine
2016-10-14 17:01 <Ubit> ( some just because i edit the prim wearing it
2016-10-14 17:01 <Ubit> what is your datasnapshot time ?
2016-10-14 17:02 <Matova> http://prntscr.com/ctu1fb
2016-10-14 17:02 <Matova> my bullet test
2016-10-14 17:03 <Ubit> move those setstatus to the on_rez
2016-10-14 17:04 <Ubit> and the setprimitive
2016-10-14 17:04 <Matova> let me see
2016-10-14 17:05 <Ubit> guess the rotation ones can be on entry
2016-10-14 17:05 <Ubit> but on edge can't
2016-10-14 17:07 <Ubit> actually  if you want it true, you don't need it
2016-10-14 17:07 <Ubit> it is set true automaticly
2016-10-14 17:09 <Ubit> well it is better to move all to the on:rez
2016-10-14 17:10 <Ubit> why is temp_on_rez comented as unreliable?
2016-10-14 17:11 <Ubit> move it to the on_rez and test :)
2016-10-14 17:14 <Ubit> Ohhh  run...  i fired a bullet string into air
2016-10-14 17:14 <Ubit> damm  too later..  landed on m head already
2016-10-14 17:15 <Matova> no on the on_rez
2016-10-14 17:16 <Matova> the collision sometimes dont work to find the object or avatar
2016-10-14 17:17 <Ubit> do it :p
2016-10-14 17:17 <Ubit> set status and primitive ->  on_rez
2016-10-14 17:19 <Matova> was changed to on_rez
2016-10-14 17:19 <Matova> http://prntscr.com/ctu8vq
2016-10-14 17:20 <Ubit> sharng violation? what hell
2016-10-14 17:20 <Ubit> those vivox are from your avatar arrival..
2016-10-14 17:26 <Matova> http://prntscr.com/ctucap
2016-10-14 17:27 <Ubit> man why did you delete the state entry ?
2016-10-14 17:28 <Ubit> i asked you to move some code from it  to the on_rez  not all the code 
2016-10-14 17:30 <Matova> i did both, entry and removed entry
2016-10-14 17:30 <Matova> but same result
2016-10-14 17:40 <Matova> http://prntscr.com/ctui7o <== show a collision to an object "scripted" but the collision event did not says the name of the object 
2016-10-14 17:50 <Ubit> well you are asking me to debug several things at once
2016-10-14 17:59 <Matova> sometimes working sometimes no. the time detection not at same time of collision 
2016-10-14 17:59 <Ubit> well that is diferent on bullet and ubode
2016-10-14 18:00 <Ubit> remember the bullets tunneling effects because od DCD
2016-10-14 18:00 <Ubit> ( dcd = discret collision detection )
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2016-10-15 19:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #5041 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-10-15 19:30 <osmantis> Bug #8036:04 ubODE: Vehicles lose speed, can't steer and/or can't lift off (airplane) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8036 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-15 19:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5041: SUCCESS in 7 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5041/
2016-10-15 19:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: bug fix: We can't filter out any of the avatar controls relative to movement, even if not flying (a condition i incorrectly added recently) in fact the entire AgentUpdates throotling is questionable, since its viewer Job. But keeping it...
2016-10-15 19:36 <Ubit> what hell
2016-10-15 19:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #5042 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-10-15 19:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5042: SUCCESS in 6 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5042/
2016-10-15 19:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: bug fix: let ALL avatar controls have a repeat rate controled by viewer (so as before commit 8a3958ad048535ad4f8a752cbd71d9114e53a42b on this)
2016-10-15 20:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #5043 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-10-15 20:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5043: SUCCESS in 5 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5043/
2016-10-15 20:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Xengine option AppDomainLoading default option true is causing problems with several mono versions. Until a fix is found change the default to false, so this is not a major problem for the less technical skilled users.
2016-10-15 20:40 <Matova> new version works fast to restart the opensim :)
2016-10-15 20:42 <Ubit> no still the same
2016-10-15 20:42 <Ubit> well appdomainload == false is a bit faster  but not the issue
2016-10-15 20:43 <Ubit> the gc collect i added is the main cause of slower loading now
2016-10-15 20:43 <Ubit> and im still looking around it :)
2016-10-15 20:49 <Matova> to me before was 30min to up, now 6min
2016-10-15 20:50 <Ubit> well appdomain takes time.. dont notice much with my 150 test scripts :(
2016-10-15 20:54 <Matova> about last issue AppDomainLoading, i am with this problem using mono really. All time out of memory. I will test now with this parameter false
2016-10-15 20:54 <Ubit> well false may increase memory problems
2016-10-15 20:55 <Ubit> bc a deleted script stays in memory
2016-10-15 20:55 <Ubit> that is the main reason for that option
2016-10-15 21:01 <Matova> was true and all time out of memory. Now false
2016-10-15 21:04 <Ubit> well on the other hand using appdomanis does take more memory lol
2016-10-15 21:04 <Ubit> just they can be deleted when scripts are deleted..
2016-10-15 21:06 <Matova> but memory used only increase.. trying to remove cache memory but same.. opensim down sometimes. I will do same tests with current version to see. middle 3 - 6 hours to kill opensim
2016-10-15 21:43 <nebadon> from my testing with False vs True in mono
2016-10-15 21:43 <nebadon> i have never seen false use more memory than true
2016-10-15 21:43 <nebadon> not once
2016-10-15 21:44 <nebadon> False will see memory increase over time
2016-10-15 21:44 <nebadon> but i have had regions running for 180 days at OSCC
2016-10-15 21:44 <nebadon> that use less memory than if i set it true and restarted within 5 minutes 
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2016-10-16 14:39 <osmantis> Bug #8037:04 OpenSim.ini.example comment at start of AppDomainLoading element now inconsistent with default settings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8037 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2016-10-16 16:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #5044 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-10-16 16:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5044: SUCCESS in 6 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5044/
2016-10-16 16:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a coment on OpenSim.ini.example ( mantis 8037)
2016-10-16 17:34 <osmantis> Bug #8037:04 OpenSim.ini.example comment at start of AppDomainLoading element now inconsistent with default settings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8037 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-10-16 19:28 <Plugh> djphil__: ping
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2016-10-17 18:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #5045 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-10-17 18:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ignore prims with shape type none on max size check for physics
2016-10-18 00:01 <Mondegreen> Hey, anyone there?
2016-10-18 00:03 <Mondegreen> I'm running a standalone Sim on a Stick and I've been trying to portforward to enable hypergrid for a few hours now. Trawled the internet and my .ini files looking for some discrepancy but I'm pretty badly experienced in this area. Hate to be that guy, but is anyone here knowledgeable and willing to help in that regard?
2016-10-18 14:32 <djphil> Hi Plugh, i see you ping me a few days ago ?
2016-10-18 14:33 <Plugh> Yes. I was looking at the osguide files. I noticed it is using tinyurl. I am wondering why it needs tinyurl.
2016-10-18 14:36 <Plugh> bbl. Time for food.
2016-10-18 14:40 <djphil> in the LSL script ?
2016-10-18 14:41 <djphil> ok i see
2016-10-18 14:43 <djphil> i use it because the script display the server url
2016-10-18 14:43 <djphil> the server url is very long
2016-10-18 15:16 <Plugh> djphil: BTW, I cleaned up some whitespace issues the other day in my copy of osguide.
2016-10-18 15:33 <Plugh> djphil: You created the connection to the database using PDO but haven't made proper use of parameter binding. I'll be making changes to the code to do that.
2016-10-18 16:10 <djphil> Plugh : Actually I have not made the correction code to secure variable with PDO. You had told me already but I have not corrected. Maybe he has some correction in an earlier commit.
2016-10-18 16:11 <djphil> Hmm, no i see i have removed ... https://github.com/djphil/osguide/commit/7728c12913cabc22dcc81d5b8e1af8ac29c59f3a
2016-10-18 16:12 <Plugh> An earlier commit used mysql_real_escape to escape the strings but then you removed those changes.
2016-10-18 16:12 <djphil> yep lol
2016-10-18 16:12 <Plugh> Those changes should have been left until the full PDO version was available.
2016-10-18 16:12 <Plugh> np for now. That's the next step.
2016-10-18 16:13 <djphil> yep
2016-10-18 16:13 <djphil> normally it should be done for all prepared queries
2016-10-18 16:14 <Plugh> I've been trying to decide whether to update the OpenSimSearch and OpenSimProfile modules to use mysqli or pdo.
2016-10-18 16:14 <Plugh> djphil: yup
2016-10-18 16:14 <djphil> mysqli is more easy todo
2016-10-18 16:15 <Plugh> I haven't seen enough of PDO to know for sure.
2016-10-18 16:15 <djphil> but Mel like PDO :p
2016-10-18 16:16 <Plugh> I've heard tales that mysqli might get deprecated. PDO supports multiple DB systems so it is more in keeping with OpenSim.
2016-10-18 16:16 <Melanie_> mysqli, used improperly, offers no added security over mysql and adds a layer of complexity
2016-10-18 16:17 <Plugh> I use mysqli with parameter binding.
2016-10-18 16:17 <Melanie_> mysqli_esacpe_string is like mysql_real_escape_string in that it needs an open database. fine if you care about charsets but if you know you're in ascii-land, you now have to do additional plumbing to get an otherwise not needd mysql handle to the place of data ingress
2016-10-18 16:18 <Plugh> When I was reading up on mysqli vs PDO I saw examples showing how PDO can still be used improperly.
2016-10-18 16:18 <Melanie_> that will cause a lot of lazy coders to not sanitize data at the point it comes in, leading to the use of unsanitized data
2016-10-18 16:18 <Melanie_> forther, mysqli still allows builsding query strings
2016-10-18 16:18 <Melanie_> one should always bind parameters, not inline them
2016-10-18 16:19 <Melanie_> mysqli allows binding but it is clumsy and the types of the columns need to be known in code
2016-10-18 16:19 <Melanie_> it's not very portable and doesn't lead itself to making a good DBAL for a web app
2016-10-18 16:19 <Plugh> That's one of the biggest problem with mysqli.
2016-10-18 16:19 <Melanie_> PDO is the better solution and if you do have a DBAL converting is easy
2016-10-18 16:19 <Melanie_> if you don't have a DBAL, make one and use it
2016-10-18 16:21 <Plugh> I wouldn't try making a DBAL as I wouldn't be able to test it. I only have MySQL running on my machine.
2016-10-18 16:21 <Melanie_> all my stuff has always had a thin DBAL
2016-10-18 16:21 <Melanie_> my migration from mysql to PDO was oretty painless
2016-10-18 16:21 <Melanie_> pretty*
2016-10-18 16:22 <Plugh> From what I've seen of it so far it may be easier to convert mysql code to PDO than to convert it to mysqli.
2016-10-18 16:22 <Melanie_> yes. especially if youpass around records in arrays of column => value
2016-10-18 16:22 <Melanie_> because then youhave no type information
2016-10-18 16:23 <Melanie_> for some reason mysqli wants to have type info
2016-10-18 16:23 <Plugh> I don't remember if the search and profile modules need to pass around arrays. I'll find out.
2016-10-18 16:23 <Melanie_> type info is just used to format the parameters and i believe one should not do as mysqli does
2016-10-18 16:24 <Melanie_> the mysql server docs clearly say that you should pass ALL values as quoted and escaped strings even for numeric column types
2016-10-18 16:24 <Plugh> PDO it will be. Gives me an excuse to dig in to working with it.
2016-10-18 16:25 <Plugh> Even for numeric types? Interesting.
2016-10-18 16:25 <Melanie_> that adds a layer of security because it means one less way of winding up with a string an a php variable that should be numeric and that string making into the query literally
2016-10-18 16:25 <Melanie_> even for mysql, it was recommended you do:
2016-10-18 16:26 <Melanie_> ...., '" . mysql_escape_string($intvar) . "' ...
2016-10-18 16:26 <Melanie_> that later changed to mysql_real_escape_string
2016-10-18 16:26 <Melanie_> but the recommendation stayed
2016-10-18 16:27 <Melanie_> PDO at least offers semantics that require no explicit escaping
2016-10-18 16:27 <Melanie_> that also prevents the issues one gets from over-escaping
2016-10-18 16:29 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-10-18 17:01 <Plugh> October 18 and its 24C outside. Incredible.
2016-10-18 17:04 <Plugh> Lunch time. bbl.
2016-10-18 19:29 <James_Atlloud> http://www.newmediaarts.org/home/projects/oshg-project/
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2016-10-19 03:39 <osmantis> Bug #8039:04 v3/v4 viewers don't display some internal animations on OpenSim 0.9 (but works on 0.8) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8039 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-10-19 15:03 <Plugh> Morning, nebadon
2016-10-19 15:05 <nebadon> good morning Plugh :)
2016-10-19 18:21 <osmantis> Bug #8038:04 Frand Rezzing Around A Object Only Seems To Frand Facing North On Region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8038 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-19 20:20 <osmantis> Bug #8038:04 Frand Rezzing Around A Object Only Seems To Frand Facing North On Region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8038 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-10-19 22:25 <osmantis> Bug #8038:04 Frand Rezzing Around A Object Only Seems To Frand Facing North On Region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8038 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2016-10-20 13:23 <osmantis> Bug #8040:04 Mono 4.2.1.102 Runtime errors with some OSSL functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8040 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-10-20 13:25 <osmantis> Bug #8040:04 Mono 4.2.1.102 Runtime errors with some OSSL functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8040 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-10-20 13:38 <osmantis> Bug #8040:04 Runtime errors with some OSSL functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8040 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-10-20 15:38 <osmantis> Bug #8040:04 Runtime errors with some OSSL functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8040 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-20 15:55 <diva_> so, no bug reports on he release candidate?
2016-10-20 15:55 <diva_> *te
2016-10-20 15:55 <diva_> *the
2016-10-20 17:24 <Plugh> Bugs, yes. Reports, perhaps not.
2016-10-20 17:30 <diva_> are there outstanding bugs, Plugh?
2016-10-20 17:31 <Plugh> I've received reports of a few issues.
2016-10-20 17:32 <diva_> can you write them down, please
2016-10-20 17:35 <Plugh> I will if I once I find where I put the notes I was given.
2016-10-20 17:35 <Plugh> s/if I//
2016-10-20 17:50 <Priestov> but is not critical bugs?
2016-10-20 17:55 <Ubit> diva a few bugs on RC1, fixed on master
2016-10-20 17:56 <diva_> cool
2016-10-20 17:57 <diva_> I'll update the post-fixes branch this weekend and maybe make the official release?
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2016-10-24 03:52 <diva_> Ubit and misterblue: are all your latest changes (since Sep 29) safe to port to the release branch?
2016-10-24 03:56 <Ubit> im lost on the estate access lists
2016-10-24 03:57 <Ubit> they are broken and can kill viewers :(
2016-10-24 03:58 <diva_> oh, so you're working on that?
2016-10-24 03:58 <Ubit> yeap
2016-10-24 03:58 <diva_> ok, I'll wait, the. How about all the changes you made so far? Are they all to port?
2016-10-24 03:58 <Ubit> on master? yes think so
2016-10-24 03:58 <diva_> ok
2016-10-24 03:59 <diva_> what's wrong with the access lists?
2016-10-24 03:59 <Ubit> allow users can have 500 entries
2016-10-24 04:00 <Ubit> no code to split into several udp packets
2016-10-24 04:00 <diva_> oh. But that is an old bug, right? We never supported those large lists, I think
2016-10-24 04:00 <Ubit> yeap think so
2016-10-24 04:00 <diva_> it would be nice to fix
2016-10-24 04:01 <diva_> I'm more worried about writing the release notes...
2016-10-24 04:01 <Ubit> we do for bans..   allow was forgotten
2016-10-24 04:01 <Ubit> but also no one checks estate managers and groups also... to they can also smoke
2016-10-24 04:02 <Ubit> that was start
2016-10-24 04:02 <Ubit> then   adding or removing a selection was juat crazy
2016-10-24 04:03 <Ubit> for example  you remove 2 bans.. end up with 100 broken ones or similar odd things
2016-10-24 04:04 <Ubit> thats  wrong use of the protocol and bad threading
2016-10-24 04:04 <Ubit> and thats where in still "lost" :)
2016-10-24 04:06 <Ubit> on top of what i can fix, LL assumes this packets arrive in order.. grrr
2016-10-24 04:06 <Ubit> err the viewer comands packets
2016-10-24 04:09 <Ubit> hmm in SL estate managers can change allowedGroups right?
2016-10-24 09:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #5046 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-10-24 09:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5046: SUCCESS in 6 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5046/
2016-10-24 09:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: viewer crash bug fix: fis the udp packets split of SendEstateList() large lists; Enforce size limits on the estate lists since currently required for viewers compatibily; improve handling of changes with large selected items. This is still bad, users may need to close and reopen the region/estate information to get correct Allowed and Banned lists after a change. This happens because of viewer resent/outOfOrder packets that completly 
2016-10-24 16:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #5047 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-10-24 16:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5047: SUCCESS in 6 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5047/
2016-10-24 16:28 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Flip master to 0.9.1
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2016-10-25 15:43 <osmantis> Bug #8041:04 save iar command ignores password component 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8041 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-10-25 19:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #5048 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-10-25 19:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5048: SUCCESS in 6 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5048/
2016-10-25 19:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8041: check target user password on save/load IAR
2016-10-25 19:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #5049 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-10-25 19:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5049: SUCCESS in 5 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5049/
2016-10-25 19:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ignore prims with shape type none on max size check for physics
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2016-10-25 20:16 <osmantis> Bug #8041:04 save iar command ignores password component 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8041 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-25 23:55 <diva_> Ubit should I pick both of your commits since yesterday?
2016-10-26 02:50 <osmantis> Bug #8042:04 Hanging Simulators 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8042 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-10-26 02:52 <osmantis> Bug #8042:04 Hanging Simulators 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8042 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-10-26 02:54 <osmantis> Bug #8042:04 Hanging Simulators 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8042 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-10-26 08:57 <osmantis> Bug #8042:04 Hanging Simulators 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8042 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-10-26 15:00 <djphil> hi folk, http://opensimulator.org/ is dead
2016-10-26 15:01 <paulieflomar> Yeah, seems to be.
2016-10-26 15:04 <paulieflomar> Ah, it just appeared for me.
2016-11-02 22:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #5050 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-02 22:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5050: SUCCESS in 6 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5050/
2016-11-02 22:40 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: only add a prim to physics in PhysicsShapeType if changing from type none. when viewers change ExtraPhysics parameters, send back the new values.
2016-11-02 22:40 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: ubOde: if a mesh does not contain data for shape type PRIM, dont collide as convex as before but just don't collide matching the type NONE viewers display in this case
2016-11-02 22:41 <Ubit> hmmm  scary..  jenkins not giving me failures  hmmm ...
2016-11-02 23:21 <smxy> AliciaRaven: pong
2016-11-02 23:22 <smxy> nebadon: Is the Encitra grid no longer open to anyone HG TPing in?
2016-11-02 23:55 <nebadon> Smxy its never really been fully open
2016-11-02 23:56 <nebadon> its all group controlled
2016-11-02 23:56 <nebadon> so if your not in a proper group you cant get in
2016-11-03 00:02 <smxy> nebadon: I used to be able to get there, so had a gate to it, but it seemed locked down now. Thanks. I've dropped the gate. ;)
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2016-11-03 09:22 <osmantis> Bug #8046:04 Github dev Master vesion 0.9.1.0 change needs tag altering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8046 ): has been REOPENED.
2016-11-03 12:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #5051 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-03 13:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5051: SUCCESS in 6 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5051/
2016-11-03 13:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: XEngine: make calls to gc.collect on region startup scripts loading a configurable option, since it is very slow operation
2016-11-03 13:38 <osmantis> Bug #8031:04 Very slow simulator start up time with regions containing lots of scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8031 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-03 14:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #5052 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-03 14:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5052: SUCCESS in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5052/
2016-11-03 14:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix some coments, thanks Austin Tate
2016-11-03 15:53 <osmantis> Bug #8047:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osForceAttachToAvatarTemp 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8047 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-11-03 16:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #5053 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-03 17:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5053: SUCCESS in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5053/
2016-11-03 17:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: on get asset with callback, do the callback even if asset not found. This is needed on same cases
2016-11-03 17:01 <osmantis> Bug #8039:04 v3/v4 viewers don't display some internal animations on OpenSim 0.9 (but works on 0.8) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8039 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-03 18:34 <osmantis> Bug #8047:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osForceAttachToAvatarTemp 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8047 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2016-11-04 00:11 <osmantis> Bug #8048:04 Feature request for llGetAttachedList() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8048 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-11-04 00:16 <osmantis> Bug #8048:04 Feature request for llGetAttachedList() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8048 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-11-04 04:51 <osmantis> Bug #8049:04 Scripted attachments stop working on first hypergrid jump 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8049 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-11-04 05:29 <osmantis> Bug #8048:04 Feature request for llGetAttachedList() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8048 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-11-04 05:38 <osmantis> Bug #8047:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osForceAttachToAvatarTemp 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8047 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-04 12:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #5054 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-04 12:04 <osmantis> Bug #8048:04 Feature request for llGetAttachedList() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8048 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-04 12:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5054: SUCCESS in 6 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5054/
2016-11-04 12:05 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Implementation of new LSL function: list llGetAttachedList(key avatar); It also returns HUDs' keys.
2016-11-04 12:05 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: by design HUD objects are private
2016-11-04 12:42 <osmantis> Bug #7727:04 Improper rezzing of items in hollowed out sliced prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7727 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-04 13:22 <osmantis> Bug #8048:04 Feature request for llGetAttachedList() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8048 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-04 13:35 <osmantis> Bug #8039:04 v3/v4 viewers don't display some internal animations on OpenSim 0.9 (but works on 0.8) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8039 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-11-04 13:47 <osmantis> Bug #7727:04 Improper rezzing of items in hollowed out sliced prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7727 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-04 13:52 <osmantis> Bug #8050:04 Activated gestures get deactivated again upon logout 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8050 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-11-04 13:59 <osmantis> Bug #7727:04 Improper rezzing of items in hollowed out sliced prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7727 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-04 14:25 <osmantis> Bug #7727:04 Improper rezzing of items in hollowed out sliced prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7727 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-04 14:27 <osmantis> Bug #8050:04 Activated gestures get deactivated again upon logout 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8050 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-04 14:30 <osmantis> Bug #8050:04 Activated gestures get deactivated again upon logout 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8050 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-04 14:41 <osmantis> Bug #7727:04 Improper rezzing of items in hollowed out sliced prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7727 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-04 16:04 <osmantis> Bug #8050:04 Activated gestures get deactivated again upon logout 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8050 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-04 16:22 <osmantis> Bug #8050:04 Activated gestures get deactivated again upon logout 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8050 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-04 16:23 <osmantis> Bug #8050:04 Activated gestures get deactivated again upon logout 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8050 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-11-04 16:30 <osmantis> Bug #8050:04 Activated gestures get deactivated again upon logout 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8050 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-04 18:56 <Plugh> Also returns HUDs keys?
2016-11-04 18:56 <Ubit> i removed that
2016-11-04 18:57 <Ubit> this was a merge into httptests.. it messes up commits order
2016-11-04 18:57 <Plugh> The "also returns" part made me wonder what it returned besides the HUD keys. I realize now it is returning keys of items other than just HUDs.
2016-11-04 18:58 <Ubit> well actually  its on the correct order :)
2016-11-04 18:59 <Ubit> mandarica made it return all attachments, including on hud
2016-11-04 18:59 <Ubit> that coment is bc of original mantis asking for that funtion
2016-11-04 18:59 <Ubit> at SL hud objects are not returned
2016-11-04 19:00 <Ubit> after commiting that patch, i also removed huds from the return list
2016-11-04 19:00 <Ubit> ok ? :)
2016-11-04 19:26 <Plugh> What's the reason for now listing huds? If the script is run by the person wearing the HUD's why not include them in the list?
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2016-11-04 19:26 <Ubit> bc i was lasy to add all the needed checks, and its not as sl does :p
2016-11-04 19:28 <Ubit> assuming  huds need to be private, then guess only another attachment can see them
2016-11-04 19:28 <Ubit> well not even those,  bc they can be triggered externaly
2016-11-04 19:29 <Plugh> ok. Another case where we could wind up with an os function where it would include HUDs.
2016-11-04 19:30 <Plugh> :)
2016-11-04 19:30 <Ubit> yeap 
2016-11-04 19:30 <Ubit> actually the use that triggered that request seems be be counting scripts... 
2016-11-04 19:30 <Plugh> ok, probably best to just leave it that way. If someone feels the need to get the HUD entries then an os function could be added.
2016-11-04 19:31 <Ubit> not sure we don't have something already counting scripts.on a avatar
2016-11-04 19:31 <Ubit> possible that can be also usefull
2016-11-04 19:32 <Ubit> so a prim can kick you... "get lost you have 2 many scripts for this club"
2016-11-04 19:32 <Ubit> :)
2016-11-04 19:32 <Ubit> but we are on the private/public edge
2016-11-04 19:32 <Plugh> Count scripts? Hm... what if an attachment has more than one script?
2016-11-04 19:33 <Ubit> we can count them ... 
2016-11-04 19:33 <Ubit> we do it elsewhere already
2016-11-04 19:34 <Ubit> ( its counting on prim inventory )
2016-11-04 19:34 <Ubit> already there for something i don't remember now ;)
2016-11-04 19:36 <Ubit> looking to those new sit things
2016-11-04 19:36 <Ubit> some glued to experiences at sl
2016-11-04 19:37 <Ubit> like not allowing you to unsit 
2016-11-04 19:38 <Plugh> I'd be curious to see how scripts get counted. Check the number of attachments then check how many scripts are in the attachment perhaps.
2016-11-04 19:38 <Ubit> ufff not in the mood of another fight eith sit offsets
2016-11-04 19:38 <Plugh> :D
2016-11-04 19:38 <Ubit> yeap loop on attachments and on their inventory
2016-11-04 19:38 <Plugh> hehe, not allowing unsit when the vehicle is in motion.  ;)
2016-11-04 19:39 <Ubit> hmm virtual private hospitals would not like that.. less business
2016-11-04 19:39 <Plugh> hehe
2016-11-04 19:40 <Ubit> the things we need to consider before code changes...
2016-11-04 19:43 <Plugh> bbl. Going to go out for a while.
2016-11-04 21:17 <osmantis> Bug #8048:04 Feature request for llGetAttachedList() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8048 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-04 21:39 <osmantis> Bug #8048:04 Feature request for llGetAttachedList() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8048 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-11-05 02:31 <osmantis> Bug #8051:04 Fix in AttachmentsCommandModule - incorrectly returned Item ID in GetAttachmentsReport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8051 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-11-05 02:31 <osmantis> Bug #8051:04 Fix in AttachmentsCommandModule - incorrectly returned Item ID in GetAttachmentsReport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8051 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-11-05 02:33 <osmantis> Bug #8051:04 Fix in AttachmentsCommandModule - incorrectly returned Item ID in GetAttachmentsReport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8051 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-11-05 14:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #5055 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-05 14:08 <osmantis> Bug #8051:04 Fix in AttachmentsCommandModule - incorrectly returned Item ID in GetAttachmentsReport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8051 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-05 14:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5055: SUCCESS in 6 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5055/
2016-11-05 14:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: It looks, that attachments show console command incorrectly returns Item ID. In fact, FromItem ID is returned. So I have added proper Item ID to be returned. There are cases, that FromItem ID is also useful, so I keep it for compatibility.
2016-11-05 15:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #5056 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-05 15:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5056: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5056/
2016-11-05 15:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a few lsl constants and move some around
2016-11-05 16:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #5057 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-05 16:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5057: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5057/
2016-11-05 16:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add suport for PRIM_SIT_TARGET on get(link)PrimitveParameters and fix typos
2016-11-05 17:19 <osmantis> Bug #8046:04 Github dev Master vesion 0.9.1.0 change needs tag altering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8046 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-05 18:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #5058 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-05 18:30 <Ubit> not add but added :p
2016-11-05 18:32 <Ubit> if future we need to add a independent flag to mark is sittarget is active or not
2016-11-05 18:32 <Ubit> if future we need to add a flag to mark is sittarget is active or not
2016-11-05 18:33 <Ubit> ( it is dependent )
2016-11-05 18:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5058: FAILURE in 5 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5058/
2016-11-05 18:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add suport for PRIM_SIT_TARGET on Set(link)PrimitveParameters. This may not be SL compatible. hack: to let active work with zero offset and rotation add a little Z value to offset
2016-11-05 18:35 <Ubit> nice jenkins i was missing failures :p
2016-11-05 18:37 <Ubit> new LSL_Types.Quaternion(12.64, 59.43723, 765.3421, 4.00987);
2016-11-05 18:37 <Ubit> this is a quarterniton?? nice
2016-11-05 18:38 <Ubit> Quaternion...
2016-11-05 18:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #5059 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5057 1 hr 53 min ago)
2016-11-05 18:46 <AliciaRaven> quaternion just 4 floats, the math is nasty tho lol
2016-11-05 18:47 <Ubit> well 4 floats not normalized are not a quartenion
2016-11-05 18:47 <AliciaRaven> could be if the coder is lazy
2016-11-05 18:48 <Ubit> well i was lazy 2.. just normalized that value :p
2016-11-05 18:48 <Ubit> you can't beat me on lazy :p
2016-11-05 18:48 <AliciaRaven> lol
2016-11-05 18:48 <Ubit> well it can fail still  bc  floats may not exacly match
2016-11-05 18:49 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-11-05 18:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5059: FIXED in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5059/
2016-11-05 18:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  Regression, really  ???
2016-11-05 18:50 <Ubit> well they did on this case
2016-11-05 18:51 <Ubit> so we where allowing ppl to put non normalized rotations
2016-11-05 18:51 <Ubit> no wonder some NaNs here and there
2016-11-05 18:52 <Ubit> ufff losts of places still
2016-11-05 18:52 <Ubit> this was just on those Set.. parameters lists
2016-11-05 18:52 <Ubit> lots...
2016-11-05 19:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #5060 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-11-05 19:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5060: SUCCESS in 4 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5060/
2016-11-05 19:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  disable bad/broken throttle options
2016-11-05 19:25 <osmantis> Bug #8047:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osForceAttachToAvatarTemp 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8047 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-11-05 20:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #5061 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-05 20:16 <osmantis> Bug #8047:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osForceAttachToAvatarTemp 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8047 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-05 20:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5061: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5061/
2016-11-05 20:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: some types may already be native in MOD_Api ConvertFromLSL
2016-11-05 23:02 <osmantis> Bug #7851:04 The ubODE version of llCastRay is measurably slower when pointing down 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7851 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-05 23:03 <osmantis> Bug #7850:04 The ubODE version of llCastRay is very slow on var regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7850 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-05 23:14 <osmantis> Bug #7850:04 The ubODE version of llCastRay is very slow on var regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7850 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-06 00:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #5062 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-06 00:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5062: SUCCESS in 4 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5062/
2016-11-06 00:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid a null ref, few changes to udp updates send
2016-11-06 00:36 <osmantis> Bug #8047:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osForceAttachToAvatarTemp 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8047 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-06 00:38 <osmantis> Bug #8051:04 Fix in AttachmentsCommandModule - incorrectly returned Item ID in GetAttachmentsReport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8051 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-06 00:39 <osmantis> Bug #8051:04 Fix in AttachmentsCommandModule - incorrectly returned Item ID in GetAttachmentsReport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8051 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-11-06 02:38 <osmantis> Bug #7850:04 The ubODE version of llCastRay is very slow on var regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7850 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-06 02:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #5063 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-06 02:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5063: SUCCESS in 5 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5063/
2016-11-06 02:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change llGetTime() source clock
2016-11-06 03:37 <osmantis> Bug #7850:04 The ubODE version of llCastRay is very slow on var regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7850 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-06 03:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #5064 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-06 04:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5064: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5064/
2016-11-06 04:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: restrict ubOde castray with terrain range only on horizontal plane, let it find physical avatars.
2016-11-06 04:03 <osmantis> Bug #7850:04 The ubODE version of llCastRay is very slow on var regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7850 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-06 04:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #5065 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-06 04:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5065: SUCCESS in 4 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5065/
2016-11-06 04:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops bug fix
2016-11-06 14:29 <osmantis> Bug #8047:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osForceAttachToAvatarTemp 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8047 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-11-06 14:39 <osmantis> Bug #8047:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osForceAttachToAvatarTemp 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8047 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-06 15:13 <osmantis> Bug #8047:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osForceAttachToAvatarTemp 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8047 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-11-06 15:13 <osmantis> Bug #8047:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osForceAttachToAvatarTemp 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8047 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2016-11-06 16:21 <osmantis> Bug #8045:04 [ubODE] physics settings on meshes are not surviving a region restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8045 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-06 19:28 <osmantis> Bug #8045:04 [ubODE] physics settings on meshes are not surviving a region restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8045 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-06 19:39 <osmantis> Bug #8045:04 [ubODE] physics settings on meshes are not surviving a region restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8045 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-06 22:04 <gbdhtAS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EsJLNGVJ7E & https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/15893, http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-foundation-idUSKBN12Z2SL & https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3774 (ctrl+f qatar) - please don't let these be buried
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2016-11-07 11:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #5066 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-11-07 11:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a few more lsl constants for attachments
2016-11-07 12:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #5067 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-11-07 12:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: start removing old hack of using SetMomentum to just set instant velocity, now that TargetVelocity is avaiable
2016-11-07 13:27 <osmantis> Bug #8045:04 [ubODE] physics settings on meshes are not surviving a region restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8045 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-07 15:09 <djphil_> ping ubit, you say switch physics engine for ub to ode or from ode to ub, don't afect the mesh ? right ?
2016-11-07 15:37 <Ubit> yes
2016-11-07 15:37 <Ubit> physics only reads the meshs
2016-11-07 15:45 <djphil_> ok, it's amazing because I've had problems with this in the past. But perhaps you have improved this time between :)
2016-11-07 15:45 <Ubit> not really
2016-11-07 15:45 <Ubit> they have alwaus been readers
2016-11-07 15:47 <djphil_> ok, so I had problem
2016-11-07 15:47 <djphil_> I had brought many mesh (with bulletsim + analyse button)
2016-11-07 15:47 <djphil_> I has to sitché ubODE and all broken mesh mesh (bad phantom detection)
2016-11-07 15:47 <djphil_> switch*
2016-11-07 15:48 <Ubit> how they work does depend on the engine, of course
2016-11-07 15:48 <djphil_> ha oki
2016-11-07 15:48 <Ubit> those meshs,  switching back to bullet.. work.. bullet way
2016-11-07 15:48 <Ubit> or old ODE way.. etc
2016-11-07 15:49 <djphil_> Hmmm Physics (Bullet AND ubODE) are now really a esoteric thing :s
2016-11-07 15:49 <Ubit> why esoteric?
2016-11-07 15:50 <djphil_> because ultimately do not know how to do it properly
2016-11-07 15:50 <djphil_> Where is the "ubODE" Technical Artist Optimization Guide ? :)
2016-11-07 15:50 <Ubit> both have identical things
2016-11-07 15:51 <Ubit> the main diference ( a old one) is the double side collisions 
2016-11-07 15:51 <djphil_> you mean inside/outside ?
2016-11-07 15:51 <Ubit> yeap
2016-11-07 15:52 <djphil_> but where i can find all these informations ???
2016-11-07 15:52 <Ubit> lots o places :p
2016-11-07 15:52 <djphil_> out of IRC i mean
2016-11-07 15:52 <djphil_> i don't know where :s
2016-11-07 15:53 <djphil_> eg :in the SL wiki (avok) i see i can turn prim shape type to NONE
2016-11-07 15:53 <Ubit> SL  still doesn't have ubOde :p
2016-11-07 15:53 <djphil_> but you say me ubODE can't turn prim shape type to NONE
2016-11-07 15:54 <Ubit> but ubOde does as sl 
2016-11-07 15:54 <djphil_> so i'm lozed :(
2016-11-07 15:54 <Ubit> i said what??
2016-11-07 15:54 <djphil_> yes i know, SL is havok only
2016-11-07 15:54 <Ubit> i nver said you can'y use type NONE on ubOde
2016-11-07 15:54 <Ubit> you should use it a LOT :P
2016-11-07 15:54 <djphil_> you say me ubODE don't use PRIM_SHAPE_TYPE_NONE
2016-11-07 15:54 <djphil_> ha oki
2016-11-07 15:55 <djphil_> hmmm
2016-11-07 15:55 <Ubit> i never said that
2016-11-07 15:55 <djphil_> maybee i have wrong understand ...but i remember that
2016-11-07 15:55 <djphil_> please if you know a GOOD place ton read unODE documentation, give me the URL :)
2016-11-07 15:56 <Ubit> ubOde does suport type none possible even before bullet
2016-11-07 15:57 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/0.9.0.0_Release
2016-11-07 15:57 <Ubit> some info on Known Issues
2016-11-07 16:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #5068 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-07 16:03 <djphil_> tanks for url
2016-11-07 16:05 <Ubit> really don't see how i could had said not to use type NONE.. possible a mistype/misunderstanding :(
2016-11-07 16:06 <djphil_> yes ...
2016-11-07 16:06 <Ubit> the only case is root prim.. but that is SL  definition
2016-11-07 16:06 <djphil_> yeap, SL wiki say that too (not NONE for ROOT)
2016-11-07 16:07 <Ubit> LL does't want us to loose prims underground i guess :)
2016-11-07 16:07 <Ubit> now even phantom collide with terrain if physical
2016-11-07 16:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5068: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5068/
2016-11-07 16:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few more changes on the avatars Velocity/TargetVelocity/SetMomentum. Need talk with Robert before last changes bc of bullet
2016-11-07 16:09 <djphil_> I actually believe that good documentation would be welcome.
2016-11-07 16:10 <Ubit> well that url is still on my own special "english" someone will translate it later to a more standard en ;)
2016-11-07 16:11 <Ubit> hmm that parts i changed.. like those ubOde coments etc
2016-11-07 16:11 <djphil_> I have read and I understand your url
2016-11-07 16:11 <djphil_> but it does not explain how correctly, how to use well, how to optimize, how to avoid mistakes, etc ...
2016-11-07 16:11 <djphil_> It just says 'know from' this is not enough to know how to use properly
2016-11-07 16:12 <Ubit> well meshs are a complex thing :)
2016-11-07 16:12 <Ubit> most guide lines are as sl
2016-11-07 16:12 <Ubit> keep them small  small SMALL
2016-11-07 16:12 <Ubit> lol
2016-11-07 16:13 <djphil_> I would be happy to disseminate reliable information about ubODE in French :)
2016-11-07 16:14 <Ubit> didn't i even showed you a car using type none ??
2016-11-07 16:14 <djphil_> osForceWriteDocs :p
2016-11-07 16:14 <djphil_> i use type none for vehicles
2016-11-07 16:14 <djphil_> for all childs prims
2016-11-07 16:15 <Ubit> :)
2016-11-07 16:15 <djphil_> no root
2016-11-07 16:15 <djphil_> or to use llKeyframeMotion (for all childs)
2016-11-07 16:15 <Ubit> you can a few simple ones with typr prim
2016-11-07 16:15 <Ubit> to give a nice volume collider
2016-11-07 16:16 <Ubit> current best wheels are spheres ( as large as possible)
2016-11-07 16:16 <djphil_> that physics optimisation
2016-11-07 16:16 <Ubit> and i do mean TRUE spheres
2016-11-07 16:17 <djphil_> but SL wiki say this is specially for Pathfinding
2016-11-07 16:17 <djphil_> ... and opensim have not
2016-11-07 16:17 <Ubit> nahh SL doesnt even let llKeyframeMotion work on normal prims
2016-11-07 16:17 <Ubit> nahh i mean bahh
2016-11-07 16:17 <djphil_> sometimes SL wiki info is ok, sometimes no ... :s
2016-11-07 16:18 <Ubit> now the link set needs to use LI
2016-11-07 16:18 <Ubit> so on made of simple normal prims can't use keyframes
2016-11-07 16:19 <Ubit> i mean SL... not opensim.. LI on opensim sim is only display info
2016-11-07 16:19 <djphil_> what is LI ?
2016-11-07 16:19 <Ubit> land impact
2016-11-07 16:19 <djphil_> ha oki ^^
2016-11-07 16:20 <Ubit> sl replacement for the simple prim count limits
2016-11-07 16:20 <djphil_> 
ACTION wave Plugh

2016-11-07 16:20 <Plugh> 
ACTION waves to djphil_

2016-11-07 16:21 <Ubit> but i dont understand that mantis 8045 issue :(
2016-11-07 16:21 <Ubit> hope its not another odd mono issue
2016-11-07 16:21 <djphil_> sorry Ubit, i'm really lozed :s
2016-11-07 16:21 <djphil_> lol
2016-11-07 16:21 <Ubit> lozed ?
2016-11-07 16:21 <djphil_> lost*
2016-11-07 16:22 <Ubit> lost with what ?
2016-11-07 16:22 <djphil_> (do not know how)
2016-11-07 16:22 <Ubit> how what ?
2016-11-07 16:22 <Plugh> Can you change the physics on a prim after the mesh has been uploaded?
2016-11-07 16:22 <djphil_> lost with correct physics usages
2016-11-07 16:23 <Ubit> not only you can  but in most cases you need plugh
2016-11-07 16:23 <Ubit> on upload the prim physics type is set to CONVEX.. rarelly the option you want
2016-11-07 16:24 <Ubit> dj what physics uses are making you lost ?
2016-11-07 16:24 <djphil_> yeap, i use only convex for no collision mesh (like phantom)
2016-11-07 16:25 <Ubit> grrrr
2016-11-07 16:25 <Ubit> no collision is type NONE
2016-11-07 16:25 <djphil_> hehe :s sorry
2016-11-07 16:25 <Ubit> the default upload is again a LL decision.. we kept
2016-11-07 16:26 <djphil_> hmm i see now i can set to NONE
2016-11-07 16:26 <Ubit> see HAVOK loves convex..
2016-11-07 16:26 <Ubit> it even refuses to move  full non convex meshs
2016-11-07 16:26 <djphil_> but in the past when i set NONE it return automaticly to CONVEX HULL
2016-11-07 16:27 <djphil_> and now it work ...
2016-11-07 16:27 <Ubit> past you mean 0.7  etc ?
2016-11-07 16:27 <djphil_> 0.8
2016-11-07 16:28 <Ubit> not sure about that..
2016-11-07 16:28 <Ubit> but then i never used 0.8  back that i was at AVN only
2016-11-07 16:28 <Ubit> back then
2016-11-07 16:29 <Ubit> even my test regions on osg where running avn code :)
2016-11-07 16:30 <Ubit> ie ubOde etc
2016-11-07 16:30 <Ubit> so i do have little user/tester experience on core 0.8
2016-11-07 16:32 <AliciaRaven> i remember on 0.8 setting physics to none would change back to previous setting
2016-11-07 16:32 <Ubit> well thats fixed now
2016-11-07 16:32 <AliciaRaven> not all the time
2016-11-07 16:32 <Ubit> none means NONE :)
2016-11-07 16:32 <AliciaRaven> good lol
2016-11-07 16:32 <Ubit> well except on that mantis problems  grrr
2016-11-07 16:47 <djphil_> Ubit can you say me if i'm right when i say "Only llCAstRay can be used to detect Prim Mesh Face incinaison detection" ?
2016-11-07 16:47 <AliciaRaven> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Physics_Optimization
2016-11-07 16:48 <djphil_> inclinaison = tilt (rotation/orientation)
2016-11-07 16:48 <djphil_> yeap AliciaRaven, i know this page :)
2016-11-07 16:48 <djphil_> that the first i read :)
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2016-11-07 17:23 <Plugh> I was going to compile a C++ program under CentOS 6.8 but the standard repos don't have the C++ compiler package.  What the ?
2016-11-07 17:55 <djphil_> hehe ubODE bug -1 soon :)
2016-11-07 17:56 <djphil_> hope can found solution for other too (the old from 0.8)
2016-11-07 17:56 <djphil_> 0.8 ) *
2016-11-07 17:56 <Ubit> yeap but i made it a few days ago
2016-11-07 17:56 <Ubit> adding that message :p
2016-11-07 17:56 <djphil_> adding another
2016-11-07 17:56 <djphil_> but whats appen with my original bug ?
2016-11-07 17:57 <Ubit>  ubOde: if a mesh does not contain data for shape type PRIM, dont collide as convex as before but just don't collide matching the type NONE viewers display in this case
2016-11-07 17:57 <djphil_> from 0.8 from bullet to ub.
2016-11-07 17:57 <Ubit> i forgot the decomposition case :p
2016-11-07 17:58 <djphil_> Hmmm, not sure that fix the original bug i report
2016-11-07 17:58 <djphil_> i try to reproduce it now ... but seam work better
2016-11-07 17:58 <Ubit> this bug i added last day 2
2016-11-07 17:59 <djphil_> yeap, this bug isn't my bug lol
2016-11-07 17:59 <Ubit> as i said, i forget the decomposition case...  
2016-11-07 18:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #5069 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-07 18:35 <Ubit> peims ??? 
2016-11-07 18:35 <Ubit> grrrr prims!!
2016-11-07 18:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5069: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5069/
2016-11-07 18:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: partially revert commit f29d5ad662387b97d9e881f28df584dc19fa8c07: if mesh asset does not contain data for PRIM type warn and use convex, do avoid physical peims going underground etc
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2016-11-08 10:26 <Ai> If Ubit is on and listening... another typo in the partial revert commit... "oposite" in comment should be "opposite"
2016-11-08 10:27 <Ubit> oops :)
2016-11-08 10:27 <Ai> :-)
2016-11-08 10:27 <Ubit> well it is a coment
2016-11-08 10:27 <Ai> where it says "SL does the oposite"
2016-11-08 10:27 <Ubit> people by now knows how bad im
2016-11-08 10:27 <Ai> It is indeed... good to squish when you are working in that area though
2016-11-08 10:28 <Ai> It is indeed a "comment" ;-)
2016-11-08 10:28 <Ubit> ratsss
2016-11-08 10:28 <Ubit> lol
2016-11-08 10:29 <Ubit> btw you are a english literature teacher ?
2016-11-08 10:29 <Ai> ah, 2 lines up from that also you have "diferent" which should be "different"
2016-11-08 10:29 <Ai> I must be :-)
2016-11-08 10:29 <Ubit> :)
2016-11-08 10:29 <Ai> just call me Mr Language Person
2016-11-08 10:29 <Ubit> well one should defend the good use of our language
2016-11-08 10:30 <Ubit> not me.. i also kill portuguese ;)
2016-11-08 10:30 <Ai> Sahll we "correct" all the US spellings to UK English too? :-)))
2016-11-08 10:30 <Ai> *Shall
2016-11-08 10:30 <Ubit> AHhh GOT YOU
2016-11-08 10:30 <Ubit> lol
2016-11-08 10:30 <Ai> AHhhh should be spelled "AAAARRRRGGGGHHH"
2016-11-08 10:31 <Ubit> nopes it was a portuguese AHhhh
2016-11-08 10:31 <Ubit> and diferent sound,,,
2016-11-08 10:32 <Ai> have a good day... and hope its not nuclear armageddon by tomorrow
2016-11-08 10:32 <Ubit> lol
2016-11-08 10:32 <Ubit> thx  have fun
2016-11-08 10:32 <Ubit> mb a few days later
2016-11-08 10:32 <Ubit> they don't give nuclear codes imediatlty i guess
2016-11-08 10:35 <Ai> In case @Melanie_T is online, melanie, the tag for the 0.9.1 git master dev area still seems to use "0.9.0" to generate the .zip and .tar.gz download file names.
2016-11-08 10:35 <Ubit> yeap guess she is afk
2016-11-08 10:35 <Melanie_T> yes i saw the mantis being reopened
2016-11-08 10:35 <Ubit> possible she fixed it but forgot to push
2016-11-08 10:35 <Ubit> oops
2016-11-08 10:35 <Melanie_T> i lack the cycles to dig into it once again
2016-11-08 10:35 <Ubit> 
ACTION hides

2016-11-08 10:36 <Melanie_T> it's not important enough to let other work lie for that but i will get around to it
2016-11-08 10:37 <Ai> thx.  just nioting, as you say its not a big deal... but the file names are good with their version, sequence number,  and "g...."
2016-11-08 10:38 <Ubit> ( nioting is assie version ? )
2016-11-08 10:38 <Ubit> (aussie)
2016-11-08 10:38 <Ai> :-)   *noting
2016-11-08 10:38 <Ubit> hihihihi
2016-11-08 10:55 <ssm2017> hello. Ubit / Melanie_T do you confirm that all the new parameters changes / comments are set in OpenSim.ini.example and not in OpenSimDefaults.ini ?
2016-11-08 10:56 <Melanie_T> I can't speak for the work of others
2016-11-08 10:56 <Ubit> hmm ?
2016-11-08 10:56 <Melanie_T> erm...sorry misunderstood your question
2016-11-08 10:56 <Melanie_T> you don't EVER edit OpenSimDefaults.ini
2016-11-08 10:56 <Ubit> the last ones should be more or less on both 
2016-11-08 10:56 <Melanie_T> if you need to change a setting, COPY it to OpenSim.ini
2016-11-08 10:56 <Ubit> where appliable
2016-11-08 10:57 <Melanie_T> ubit, OpenSim.ini should only hav the common, importsnt ones by default
2016-11-08 10:57 <Melanie_T> people who wnt to change the more obscure ones should copy the section from OpenSimDefaults.ini and change as needed
2016-11-08 10:57 <Ubit> yes but he asked about our coments or i also misread :)
2016-11-08 10:58 <ssm2017> i am using OpenSimDefaults.ini for all my simulators and a minimalist OpenSim.ini (all unneeded params removed) for every simulator
2016-11-08 10:58 <Melanie_T> you should not do that
2016-11-08 10:58 <Melanie_T> OpenSimDefaults.ini is not a user configurable file
2016-11-08 10:58 <Melanie_T> it can change with every release
2016-11-08 10:58 <ssm2017> on every release, i need to crawl both files to see what has changed. so i am wondering what is the reference for the comments (OpenSimDefaults.ini or OpenSim.ini ? )
2016-11-08 10:58 <Melanie_T> it's not meant to be changed but is a reference for the hardcoded parameter values
2016-11-08 10:59 <Melanie_T> the opensim.ini comments are formatted to allow machine-based presentation and display of values for a config editor
2016-11-08 10:59 <Melanie_T> opensimdefaults just has plan comments
2016-11-08 10:59 <Melanie_T> plain
2016-11-08 11:00 <Melanie_T> so i don't understand what your precise question is
2016-11-08 11:02 <Ubit> well let me try other words...
2016-11-08 11:03 <Ubit> OpenSimDefaults has ( or should) contain all the list of conf options avaiable. Majority do match  in code default settings
2016-11-08 11:04 <Ubit> opensim.ini.example contains the subset of the ones you need to override, or are more comun to change
2016-11-08 11:04 <ssm2017> some parameters are inside OpenSim.ini.example and not in OpenSimDefaults.ini like "SpawnPointRouting" or "TelehubAllowLandmark" so (to be able to have a minimalist OpenSim.ini) i need to cut/paste them from OpenSim.ini.example to OpenSimDefaults.ini
2016-11-08 11:04 <Ubit> well we do have bugs :p
2016-11-08 11:05 <Ubit> the example is as it says..   at start you just copy to ini
2016-11-08 11:06 <Ubit> and that does override the Defaults
2016-11-08 11:06 <Melanie_T> as i said
2016-11-08 11:06 <Melanie_T> you are NOT supposed to change the defaults file at all
2016-11-08 11:06 <Melanie_T> you are supposed to copy what you need to opensim.ini
2016-11-08 11:07 <Melanie_T> you _should_ use include files for your per-sim settings
2016-11-08 11:07 <Melanie_T> opensim.ini for your base settings
2016-11-08 11:07 <Melanie_T> and forget opensimdefault.ini exists
2016-11-08 11:07 <Melanie_T> don't change it
2016-11-08 11:07 <Melanie_T> you have been warned
2016-11-08 11:07 <Melanie_T> your setup may break in the future if you do
2016-11-08 11:08 <ssm2017> i agree with that, i have just noticed that some default parameters are set in OpenSim.ini.example and not in OpenSimDefaults.ini
2016-11-08 11:21 <osmantis> Bug #8052:04 DNS fails to resolve when running opensim under ubuntu 16.10 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8052 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-11-08 11:23 <Ubit> ( yes Ai its Defaults not Deafults)
2016-11-08 11:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #5070 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-08 11:24 <Ubit> same for you lkalif if you are reading this from whereever you are :)
2016-11-08 11:26 <Ubit> thx smxy :)
2016-11-08 11:26 <Ubit> oops
2016-11-08 11:26 <Ubit> thx ssm2017
2016-11-08 11:27 <ssm2017> i am actually making a deep comparison of both files and will show you what i have seen and what i purpose
2016-11-08 11:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5070: SUCCESS in 6 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5070/
2016-11-08 11:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add some configuration options missing in OpenSimDeafults.ini but present in OpenSim.ini.example
2016-11-08 11:30 <Ubit> well if you are having that trouble mb you can submit a mantis with the diferences, so its easier to fix
2016-11-08 11:31 <ssm2017> ok
2016-11-08 11:31 <Ubit> thx :)
2016-11-08 11:32 <Ubit> bc ini shoud be a subset of defaults :(
2016-11-08 13:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #5071 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-11-08 13:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change display and log of normal script errors
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2016-11-08 17:43 <osmantis> Bug #8047:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osForceAttachToAvatarTemp 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8047 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-11-08 19:02 <Plugh> Time for the weekly OS developer meeting in osgrid.
2016-11-08 23:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #5072 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-11-08 23:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  change the clock source on tokenBucket
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2016-11-09 09:15 <Ai> A quick question for Ubit if he online... are the recent got master commits to add new attachment points related to a base for supporting bento extended skeletons?  Or where did those extra attachment points come from?
2016-11-09 09:15 <Ubit> yeap seem them on the bento thing
2016-11-09 09:15 <Ai> thx Ubit
2016-11-09 09:15 <Ubit> so updated at least to keep the values reserved
2016-11-09 09:16 <Ubit> well and thay may work
2016-11-09 09:16 <Ubit> ..they..
2016-11-09 10:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #5073 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-11-09 10:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  change the clock source on udp outgoing, remove some dead code
2016-11-09 11:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #5074 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-11-09 11:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: also log estimated average Util.GetTimeStampMS() resolution
2016-11-09 11:35 <ssm2017> hello, do you know if there is a page on the wiki containing all the OpenSimDefaults.ini+OpenSim.ini parameters ?
2016-11-09 11:35 <Ubit> no :(
2016-11-09 11:35 <Ubit> ie i don't know
2016-11-09 11:35 <Ubit> but if we have problems with the file, imagine wiki ;)
2016-11-09 11:37 <ssm2017> the wiki can be a reference and updated with releases so i am wondering if i should build one after making my comparison
2016-11-09 11:37 <Ubit> yes it should..
2016-11-09 11:38 <Ubit> but it is a extra step for devs
2016-11-09 11:38 <ssm2017> community (like me) can do the job :)
2016-11-09 11:38 <Ubit> and not all do have access to the wiki
2016-11-09 11:39 <Ubit> well opensim users do have part on dev
2016-11-09 11:40 <Ubit> keeping a eye on my bugs for example ;)
2016-11-09 11:42 <Ubit> well testing is a big part, since its now almost impossible for a dev to test all things, specially corner cases
2016-11-09 17:34 <osmantis> Bug #8053:04 Differences between OpenSimDefaults.ini and OpenSim.ini.example 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8053 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-11-09 17:35 <ssm2017> Ubit i have just submitted the result of my exploration :)
2016-11-09 19:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #5075 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-11-09 19:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor cleanup
2016-11-09 20:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #5076 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-11-09 20:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: move UserAccountCache access locking to its methods and not callers.
2016-11-09 21:36 <Larry57> Hello, is anybody online ?
2016-11-09 21:37 <Ubit> no
2016-11-09 21:37 <Ubit> errr oops :p
2016-11-09 21:37 <Larry57> lol :
2016-11-09 21:37 <Larry57> :)
2016-11-09 21:38 <Larry57> There is a big annoyance in .NET
2016-11-09 21:38 <Ubit> ?
2016-11-09 21:39 <Larry57> Some arithmetic operations are badly computed when man relies on implicit typing
2016-11-09 21:39 <Larry57> I mean
2016-11-09 21:39 <Larry57> for example
2016-11-09 21:39 <Larry57> if you do
2016-11-09 21:39 <Larry57> float result = 4 / 3
2016-11-09 21:39 <Ubit> yeap  does int divide
2016-11-09 21:40 <Larry57> and result is 1
2016-11-09 21:40 <Ubit> yeap
2016-11-09 21:41 <Ubit> seen things like that ?
2016-11-09 21:41 <Larry57> a shitlaod
2016-11-09 21:41 <Ubit> shitlaod ?
2016-11-09 21:41 <Larry57> :)
2016-11-09 21:42 <Ubit> well  we do know that..  but typos happen
2016-11-09 21:42 <Larry57> I ran into that issue at office
2016-11-09 21:42 <Ubit> funny is that if you do  float a = 4.0/3.0 it sometimes complains :9
2016-11-09 21:42 <Ubit> you need to do
2016-11-09 21:42 <Larry57> Haha yes :)
2016-11-09 21:43 <Ubit> funny is that if you do  float a = 4.0f/3.0f it sometimes complains :9
2016-11-09 21:43 <Larry57> 4f/3f
2016-11-09 21:43 <velus> anyone know about ubuntu and apt? i have a simple question?
2016-11-09 21:43 <Larry57> do the trick
2016-11-09 21:43 <Ubit> yeap
2016-11-09 21:43 <Ubit> but doesn't on the worse ints case
2016-11-09 21:43 <velus> can you do a wildcard search in apt but have a not condition 
2016-11-09 21:43 <Larry57> I bumped in this at office
2016-11-09 21:44 <Ubit> i did found bugs like that on opensim
2016-11-09 21:44 <Larry57> So by the sake of curiosity I ran a CodeRush tool analysis
2016-11-09 21:44 <Ubit> and can't promissed i didn't add others :p
2016-11-09 21:44 <Larry57> :D
2016-11-09 21:44 <Larry57> it spotted a lot of those
2016-11-09 21:44 <Ubit> ohh?
2016-11-09 21:44 <Ubit> have a list ?
2016-11-09 21:45 <Larry57> OS is working fine, so I wonder if fixing them all wont induce side effects as well it could solve bugs :D
2016-11-09 21:45 <Larry57> yes I have 
2016-11-09 21:45 <Larry57> just a sec
2016-11-09 21:45 <Ubit> in same cases mb intencionaly
2016-11-09 21:46 <Ubit> we just need a float for later use
2016-11-09 21:46 <Ubit> but.. ugly
2016-11-09 21:48 <Larry57> Here it is : http://pastebin.com/1eN1YRyK
2016-11-09 21:49 <Larry57> its the "The expression contains a divide-by-integral" blahblah thing
2016-11-09 21:51 <Ubit> hmm a few others more scary :p
2016-11-09 21:55 <Ubit> float scaleX = m_parentScene.RegionInfo.RegionSizeX / Constants.RegionSize;
2016-11-09 21:55 <Ubit> by restrictions the result is a int :)
2016-11-09 21:56 <Ubit> oops and its my code lol
2016-11-09 21:56 <Larry57> :)
2016-11-09 21:57 <Larry57> I spotted some in terrain loading and generation
2016-11-09 21:59 <Larry57> well there arent that many
2016-11-09 22:04 <Ubit> grr again my code
2016-11-09 22:04 <Ubit> but again results are ints
2016-11-09 22:04 <Larry57> lol :D
2016-11-09 22:04 <Ubit> so i didn't care
2016-11-09 22:04 <Larry57> you mean that int are expected in every case ?
2016-11-09 22:04 <Larry57> then yes its ok
2016-11-09 22:04 <Ubit> RegionInfo.RegionSizeX / 2
2016-11-09 22:05 <Ubit> is always int
2016-11-09 22:05 <Ubit> bc sixe must be a multiple of 256
2016-11-09 22:06 <Larry57> Oh I see
2016-11-09 22:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #5077 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-09 22:14 <Larry57> Both in SculptMap.cs and the one in BSPhysObject.cs deserves attention IMHO
2016-11-09 22:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5077: SUCCESS in 4 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5077/
2016-11-09 22:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: stop warning about integer division cast to float
2016-11-09 22:26 <Larry57> gtg to sleep :) good night, and thanks a lot for your attention !
2016-11-09 22:27 <Ubit> thx
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2016-11-09 22:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix some invalid string.format arguments
2016-11-10 04:35 <osmantis> Bug #8054:04 Link/Unlink prims take a long time and sometimes doesn't finish the operation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8054 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-11-10 04:38 <osmantis> Bug #8031:04 Very slow simulator start up time with regions containing lots of scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8031 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-10 04:39 <osmantis> Bug #8031:04 Very slow simulator start up time with regions containing lots of scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8031 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-11-10 14:43 <osmantis> Bug #8054:04 Link/Unlink prims take a long time and sometimes doesn't finish the operation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-11-10 17:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #5079 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-10 18:01 <osmantis> Bug #8054:04 Link/Unlink prims take a long time and sometimes doesn't finish the operation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-10 18:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5079: SUCCESS in 6 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5079/
2016-11-10 18:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: on Select use again the priority queues to send ObjectProperties, including physics via caps. This is need to reduce useless redudance
2016-11-10 19:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #5080 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-11-10 19:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: also cache not found useraccounts when search by ID. Change the expire time to 5minutes in this case
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2016-11-10 21:38 <Larry57> Hi
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2016-11-10 23:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #5081 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-11-10 23:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubOde: add a needed lock
2016-11-10 23:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #5082 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-11-10 23:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: GetUserAccounts cannot cache null accounts
2016-11-11 00:57 <osmantis> Bug #8054:04 Link/Unlink prims take a long time and sometimes doesn't finish the operation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8054 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-11-11 13:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reduce useraccouts cache time
2016-11-11 16:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #5084 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-11-11 16:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reduce diferencs btw OpenSimDefaults.ini and OpenSim.ini.example
2016-11-11 22:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #5085 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-11-11 22:11 <osjenkins> Alicia Raven: Update gitignore to include VS user config folder and remove old FxCop file which is not used
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2016-11-12 02:15 <misterblue_> ping Ubit
2016-11-12 02:15 <Ubit> hi
2016-11-12 02:16 <misterblue_> hey there.... I'm finally back from traveling
2016-11-12 02:17 <misterblue_> I saw a note on one of the commits about avatar positioning and physics and you needing to talk to me
2016-11-12 02:17 <Ubit> yeap
2016-11-12 02:17 <Ubit> i did some cleanup on that use ot setmomentum to actually set avatar velocity
2016-11-12 02:18 <Ubit> so to release it for true momentum
2016-11-12 02:18 <misterblue_> I thought I'd already done that --- setMomentum directly sets velocity while SetVelocity does the PID thing
2016-11-12 02:18 <Ubit> but not sure if bullet velocity is ready for that on avatars
2016-11-12 02:18 <misterblue_> is this different?
2016-11-12 02:19 <Ubit> yes..  you did fix for my hack
2016-11-12 02:19 <Ubit> im cleaning up that hack see ?
2016-11-12 02:19 <misterblue_> ah.. so what should BulletSim do differently?
2016-11-12 02:20 <Ubit> just setting velocity should set it  and seems yr code is diferent from the one you added on setmomentum
2016-11-12 02:20 <Ubit> you can see on my commit what i did
2016-11-12 02:21 <Ubit> created a targetvelocity on  scenepresence to set the pids one
2016-11-12 02:21 <Ubit> so to release Velocity set to do what setmomentum does now
2016-11-12 02:21 <Ubit> and free setmomentum since we don't use it for now
2016-11-12 02:23 <misterblue_> k.... I'll check out your commit
2016-11-12 02:24 <Ubit> Velocity is still setting the PID etc
2016-11-12 02:25 <Ubit> ideia is it setting the physics Velocity ie doing what setmom does now
2016-11-12 02:46 <AliciaRaven> some thing must have changed recently, im seeing local avatars displaying hg format names and hg avatars showing local format names
2016-11-12 02:47 <AliciaRaven> thats with singularity and also radegast
2016-11-12 02:47 <Ubit> i dont see that :(
2016-11-12 02:48 <Ubit> hmm viwers do cache those
2016-11-12 02:48 <AliciaRaven> its not all the time, another random thing
2016-11-12 02:51 <AliciaRaven> some hg avatar was talking to me on my grid before and showed ok with her grid address after the @, now she came back and its showing as if she is local
2016-11-12 02:53 <AliciaRaven> and the other day my viewer was showing local avatars on my grid with the full hg address
2016-11-12 02:53 <Ubit> :(
2016-11-12 02:53 <AliciaRaven> not all the time and only since upgrade to 0.9 again lol
2016-11-12 02:54 <Ubit> :p
2016-11-12 02:54 <AliciaRaven> i keep finding these strange aborations no one else can confirm damn
2016-11-12 02:54 <Ubit> your box is at halloween still
2016-11-12 02:55 <AliciaRaven> told u its haunted lol
2016-11-12 02:55 <Ubit> yeap
2016-11-12 02:55 <Ubit> that sits
2016-11-12 02:55 <Ubit> sits working for months.. no crahs... we sit POFF
2016-11-12 02:56 <AliciaRaven> hehe lock will fix that, must have sat both at the same few milliseconds
2016-11-12 02:58 <Ubit> that collection had 2 members.. microseconds
2016-11-12 02:58 <Ubit> and you sit preciselly there
2016-11-12 02:59 <Ubit> actually had one member 
2016-11-12 02:59 <AliciaRaven> seems unlikely but BOOM crash lol
2016-11-12 02:59 <Ubit> i was sitting already
2016-11-12 03:01 <AliciaRaven> she is talking to me over IM from her grid, contact list says shes offline and im displaying her name without the hg extention
2016-11-12 03:26 <Ubit> OOpps
2016-11-12 03:29 <AliciaRaven> im too tired to investigate now, im off to sleep lol night
2016-11-12 03:29 <Ubit> :)
2016-11-12 03:30 <Ubit> there where changes on names.. a lot  yes
2016-11-12 03:30 <Ubit> so.. well
2016-11-12 03:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #5086 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-11-12 03:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubOde fix a multhreading timming issue
2016-11-12 04:00 <osmantis> Bug #8045:04 [ubODE] physics settings on meshes are not surviving a region restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8045 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-12 10:35 <osmantis> Bug #8052:04 DNS fails to resolve when running opensim under ubuntu 16.10 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8052 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-12 10:35 <osmantis> Bug #8052:04 DNS fails to resolve when running opensim under ubuntu 16.10 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8052 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2016-11-12 13:42 <osmantis> Bug #8055:04 Correction of description concerning options of NPC's creation. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8055 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-11-12 13:42 <osmantis> Bug #8055:04 Correction of description concerning options of NPC's creation. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8055 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-11-12 13:43 <osmantis> Bug #8055:04 Correction of description concerning options of NPC's creation. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8055 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-11-12 14:08 <osmantis> Bug #8055:04 Correction of description concerning options of NPC's creation. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8055 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-12 14:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #5087 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-12 14:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5087: SUCCESS in 6 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5087/
2016-11-12 14:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8055: fix default value of npc options
2016-11-12 15:06 <osmantis> Bug #8055:04 Correction of description concerning options of NPC's creation. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8055 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-12 19:36 <osmantis> Bug #8056:04 llVolumeDetect(TRUE); fails on region restart/bootup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8056 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-11-12 20:17 <osmantis> Bug #8056:04 llVolumeDetect(TRUE); fails on region restart/bootup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8056 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-12 23:03 <djphil___> Ninja Joint is removed from ini
2016-11-12 23:03 <djphil___> It is removed from opensim too?
2016-11-12 23:05 <Ubit> long ago
2016-11-12 23:05 <Ubit> well broken long ago
2016-11-12 23:06 <djphil___> I did not use but I have always seen present in the past
2016-11-12 23:06 <Ubit> guess they did work at some point
2016-11-12 23:06 <Ubit> but hard to use
2016-11-12 23:07 <Ubit> and only old ode 
2016-11-12 23:07 <djphil___> allready used but long ago ...
2016-11-12 23:07 <djphil___> You think to repair ?
2016-11-12 23:07 <Ubit> guess we need another model for them
2016-11-12 23:08 <Ubit> mb a entity call model lol
2016-11-12 23:08 <Ubit> made of linksets connected bya skeleton
2016-11-12 23:08 <djphil___> a bento ninja
2016-11-12 23:09 <Ubit> where bones are joint
2016-11-12 23:09 <Ubit> or something like that
2016-11-12 23:10 <Ubit> its not nice to use joints inside a linkset
2016-11-12 23:10 <djphil___> Hmmm ... for robotic is nice no ?
2016-11-12 23:10 <Ubit> bc only a linkset  currently gets a physics dynamics representation
2016-11-12 23:11 <Ubit> ie the things where joints attach to
2016-11-12 23:11 <Ubit> so a car whould have a linkset for each wheel
2016-11-12 23:11 <Ubit> plus at least one for the main body
2016-11-12 23:12 <Ubit> and 4 joints for dumpers ?? 
2016-11-12 23:12 <Ubit> see what i mean?
2016-11-12 23:13 <djphil___> Not really, approximately
2016-11-12 23:13 <Ubit> connecting linkset parts with joints whould he harder
2016-11-12 23:13 <Ubit> well guess ninja where like this.. don't remember :)
2016-11-12 23:15 <djphil___> i remember Nebs made one
2016-11-12 23:16 <Ubit> the mesh upload is already a model upload really
2016-11-12 23:17 <Ubit> but with parts not linksets :(
2016-11-12 23:18 <djphil___> where?
2016-11-12 23:18 <Ubit> the upload of meshs
2016-11-12 23:18 <Ubit> it does upload several prims at once
2016-11-12 23:19 <djphil___> i do that, no problem
2016-11-12 23:19 <Ubit> so ll calls it model upload 
2016-11-12 23:19 <Ubit> i just dont like  been linked parts
2016-11-12 23:20 <Ubit> bc for current physics as i said is not nice to add joints to parts
2016-11-12 23:22 <djphil___> i read about Unity, it use PhysX
2016-11-12 23:22 <djphil___> With this you can create shock absorbers for vehicles
2016-11-12 23:23 <Ubit> well some of those mb overdoing simulation
2016-11-12 23:29 <Ubit> well ninja code is still there 
2016-11-12 23:30 <djphil___> oki
2016-11-12 23:30 <Ubit> but only old ode
2016-11-12 23:30 <Ubit> and possible pretty broken now
2016-11-12 23:30 <Ubit> so i deleted from the inis
2016-11-12 23:31 <djphil___> oki, tanks for information :)
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2016-11-13 03:46 <osmantis> Bug #8045:04 [ubODE] physics settings on meshes are not surviving a region restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8045 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-13 19:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #5088 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-11-13 19:29 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: update avatar velocity setting to the new TargetVelocity pattern.
2016-11-13 19:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #5089 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-13 19:30 <Ubit> mine will be fail of course :p
2016-11-13 19:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5089: SUCCESS in 4 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5089/
2016-11-13 19:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: prevent self call to llSetScriptState(ownname,FALSE) from blocking entire engine
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2016-11-13 23:27 <CrasherRob> Now that you're at version 0.9.1, do you have any plans for creating a new download image anytime soon? The current release download in the wiki is 0.8.2.
2016-11-13 23:44 <osmantis> Bug #8057:04 (OS 0.9.1) Many seated Avatars in region cause bad lag, high physics load in ubODE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8057 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-11-13 23:47 <Ubit> i dont have 40 avatars :(
2016-11-13 23:58 <osmantis> Bug #8057:04 (OS 0.9.1) Many seated Avatars in region cause bad lag, high physics load in ubODE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8057 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-13 23:59 <AliciaRaven> couldnt u test it with pCampbot?
2016-11-13 23:59 <Ubit> never looked to those
2016-11-14 00:00 <AliciaRaven> me either, all i know is that justin and nebadon used it to fill regions for load tests
2016-11-14 00:00 <Ubit> yeap 
2016-11-14 00:01 <AliciaRaven> or maybe u could gather stats at the tuesday meeting, but thats been abit quiet that last few times i was there
2016-11-14 00:01 <Ubit> not even sure wri is on ubode now
2016-11-14 01:00 <osmantis> Bug #8057:04 (OS 0.9.1) Many seated Avatars in region cause bad lag, high physics load in ubODE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8057 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-14 01:27 <osmantis> Bug #8048:04 Feature request for llGetAttachedList() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8048 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-11-14 03:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #5090 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-11-14 03:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5090: SUCCESS in 5 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5090/
2016-11-14 03:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reduce calls to physics world cast rays for camera collision check
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2016-11-14 04:42 <osmantis> Bug #8057:04 (OS 0.9.1) Many seated Avatars in region cause bad lag, high physics load in ubODE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8057 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-11-14 04:51 <osmantis> Bug #8057:04 (OS 0.9.1) Many seated Avatars in region cause bad lag, high physics load in ubODE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8057 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-11-14 12:42 <osmantis> Bug #8020:04 [BASE HTTP SERVER] HandleRequest threw 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8020 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-11-14 16:13 <osmantis> Bug #8055:04 Correction of description concerning options of NPC's creation. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8055 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-11-14 22:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #5091 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-14 22:15 <Ubit> ..check decision rules..
2016-11-14 22:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5091: SUCCESS in 6 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5091/
2016-11-14 22:15 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix unack bytes stats report
2016-11-14 22:15 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix a vector range parsing
2016-11-14 22:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #5092 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-11-14 22:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change camera collision check rules
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2016-11-15 17:08 <James_Atlloud> hello good developers.  I'm happy to let you know that OSCC organizer Joyce Bettencourt (Rhiannon Chatnoir) is planning to attend office hours today at 11am pacific to field questions about the conference.
2016-11-15 18:47 <Plugh> James_Atlloud: Thanks for the info
2016-11-15 18:49 <James_Atlloud> Sure.  She may arrive after the meeting has started which I suggested since folk tend to trickle in.
2016-11-15 18:54 <Plugh> k, np
2016-11-15 19:00 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid coming up.
2016-11-15 22:30 <osmantis> Bug #8058:04 Informative Info For Windows 10 USERS 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8058 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2016-11-16 00:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #5093 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-11-16 00:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor change to getdisplaynames cap url
2016-11-16 03:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #5094 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-16 03:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5094: SUCCESS in 5 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5094/
2016-11-16 03:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix parsing of a vector4 and storing on a lsl quaternion needed for lightShare scripts
2016-11-16 13:08 <Ubit> ( FLOOD)
2016-11-16 18:52 <smxy> You seem to be quite the busy bee, Ubit. :)
2016-11-16 18:53 <Ubit> hmm thats not a reference to Gladiator i hope :p
2016-11-16 18:54 <Ubit> things didn't went that well for those bees :P
2016-11-16 19:09 <Plugh> grrr...
2016-11-16 19:10 <Plugh> I'm trying to upload a mesh object to test its scale. I'm trying to do it via Sing.
2016-11-16 19:11 <Plugh> I click "Calculate weights & fee" button. It thinks for a while then shows that button again. It never goes to Upload. Is this a Singularity bug?
2016-11-16 19:11 <Ubit> some times viewers get lost processing the mesh
2016-11-16 19:12 <Ubit> dont even connect to region since that is the last step
2016-11-16 19:12 <Ubit> in old days only old phoenix viewer did work
2016-11-16 19:12 <Plugh> I'll try FS then.
2016-11-16 19:13 <Plugh> Its only 672 triangles, IIRC
2016-11-16 19:13 <Ubit> think they are all identical now
2016-11-16 19:13 <Ubit> btw you can't use versions for SL only..  think os fs has those
2016-11-16 19:14 <Ubit> ..only...
2016-11-16 19:15 <Plugh> Huh? "Can't use versions"?? Can't use versions of what?
2016-11-16 19:15 <Plugh> oh, you mean SL versions of the viewers. I'm not.
2016-11-16 19:15 <Ubit> ok
2016-11-16 19:15 <Ubit> don't use step 2 on physics
2016-11-16 19:16 <Ubit> but it is possible viewer is lost doing the convex hull
2016-11-16 19:17 <Ubit> well or decimating the lods
2016-11-16 19:17 <Plugh> oh. Don't do the physics analysis?
2016-11-16 19:17 <Ubit> not sure bullet really takes advantage of that.. ubOde doesnt
2016-11-16 19:18 <Ubit> and is a extra complex step that sometimes does break the meshs
2016-11-16 19:18 <Priestov> im sorry. tell me, whether stably OpenSim 0.9.0 on linux?
2016-11-16 19:19 <Ubit> man you don't read our docs ?
2016-11-16 19:19 <Ubit> stably OpenSim 0.9.0 ?
2016-11-16 19:19 <Priestov> ))
2016-11-16 19:19 <Priestov> yes)
2016-11-16 19:19 <Ubit> what is that ?
2016-11-16 19:20 <Ubit> well we do have a 0.9 RC1 on site
2016-11-16 19:20 <Priestov> i want testing 090 in linux... or no?
2016-11-16 19:20 <Ubit> but already outdated
2016-11-16 19:21 <Ubit> standalone or osgrid?
2016-11-16 19:21 <Priestov> hypergred
2016-11-16 19:22 <Ubit> well osgrid has almost up to date binaries
2016-11-16 19:22 <Ubit> but the config files are all setup to connect there
2016-11-16 19:23 <Priestov> im use my config files
2016-11-16 19:23 <Ubit> well they may be outdate :(
2016-11-16 19:23 <Priestov> reconfig?
2016-11-16 19:25 <Priestov> on what will work consistently? windows or linux?
2016-11-16 19:26 <Ubit> on linux there may be issues with some mono versions
2016-11-16 19:31 <Priestov> Nobody knows Known Good Configuration? for example: ubuntu 14.04 and mono 3.2.1
2016-11-16 19:31 <Ubit> issues are more with mono 4.X
2016-11-16 19:32 <Priestov> i have problems with version mono in os 0.8.1
2016-11-16 19:32 <Ubit> well at moment the most updated binary is the osgrid one
2016-11-16 19:33 <Ubit> just you need to clean all references to osg on all the inis
2016-11-16 19:33 <Plugh> The object came in much bigger than I wanted. I figured it would. I haven't fingured out how to scale items so they import directly at the proper size.
2016-11-16 19:33 <Ubit> you have a scale option on the upload
2016-11-16 19:33 <Ubit> but the meshs are normalized
2016-11-16 19:33 <Plugh> Doesn't have enough precision.
2016-11-16 19:34 <Ubit> that changes prim sizes
2016-11-16 19:34 <Ubit> cant you just resize in world?
2016-11-16 19:35 <Plugh> yea, but then I have to rez, rescale, delete the copy in inventory, then take scaled object. Be a lot easier to scale in advance.
2016-11-16 19:36 <Ubit> and resolution  you do know meshs are 16bit right?
2016-11-16 19:36 <Plugh> In my modelling program I make cube that is 1mm on a side. Export and pull that in to blender. It loads in blender as one minor grid line. When I upload the object in to OS it comes out at 1m.
2016-11-16 19:37 <Plugh> Ubit, what difference does that make?
2016-11-16 19:38 <Ubit> on those convertions scales get changed.. diferent units
2016-11-16 19:38 <Ubit> but im no expert on that
2016-11-16 19:39 <Ubit> 16bit is a limitation on detail resolution
2016-11-16 19:40 <Plugh> The object doesn't have any fine detail.
2016-11-16 19:40 <Ubit> ok
2016-11-16 19:40 <Ubit> since what matters is in world scale.. i whould just set in there :)
2016-11-16 19:42 <Plugh> If I convert my model units to mm then export and import in to blender I should be able to scale by 0.01 to have the model import at the right scale.
2016-11-16 19:42 <Plugh> That's the theory.
2016-11-16 19:43 <Ubit> what is the final size you want?
2016-11-16 19:47 <Plugh> 1.05 meter in height.
2016-11-16 19:47 <Plugh> or there abouts.
2016-11-16 19:56 <Plugh> I didn't scale it from one export out of blender and the import fails because the prim is greater than 256m. Now it has something smaller than 0.001m. 
2016-11-16 19:56 <Plugh> 
ACTION sighs

2016-11-16 19:58 <Ubit> lol
2016-11-16 19:59 <Plugh> I give up. I'm just wasting my time trying to work out how to get this in to OS. I'll have to find someone teaching a course on how to deal with mesh.
2016-11-16 20:16 <Ubit> :)
2016-11-16 20:23 <Plugh> I wanted to bring in an object that will be about 83 pieces. So far I have 77 ready totalling around 35,000 triangles.
2016-11-16 20:29 <osmantis> Bug #8058:04 Informative Info For Windows 10 USERS 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8058 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-16 20:54 <djphil__> Ping Plugh
2016-11-16 20:55 <Plugh> pong
2016-11-16 20:55 <djphil__> http://www.skidzpartz.com/index.php/chat2/313-how-to-resize-a-blender-model-to-the-correct-size-in-second-life-and-other-virtual-worlds
2016-11-16 20:55 <djphil__> maybee that can help you, a old tuto from skidz
2016-11-16 20:57 <Plugh> That only works if the model is within certain size bounds that let you import it in the first place.
2016-11-16 20:58 <Plugh> I think scale will work if I convert my modelling units to mm before exporting for use in Blender then scale by 1/100 when exporting from Blender as dae.
2016-11-16 20:58 <nebadon> make sure you apply scale before exportin
2016-11-16 20:58 <nebadon> you should keep blender in meters
2016-11-16 20:58 <Plugh> I didn't think Blender has any real world units.
2016-11-16 20:58 <nebadon> just select everything in the scene then hit ctrl+a and apply scale and rotation
2016-11-16 20:58 <nebadon> it does
2016-11-16 20:59 <Plugh> What is the default?
2016-11-16 20:59 <nebadon> meters
2016-11-16 20:59 <nebadon> technically its units but it coincides with meters
2016-11-16 20:59 <nebadon> you can seelct metric or imperial
2016-11-16 20:59 <nebadon> there is a setting
2016-11-16 20:59 <Plugh> ok. The problem is with export as 3ds or obj which must not have any units.
2016-11-16 20:59 <nebadon> well you need to make sure you have scale applied
2016-11-16 20:59 <nebadon> so it reset everythign back to 1.0
2016-11-16 20:59 <Plugh> I export a 1mm object and it is 0.1 unit based on the grid in Blender. That object comes in as 1m in OS.
2016-11-16 20:59 <nebadon> which you do by selecting whole scene
2016-11-16 21:00 <nebadon> then ctrl+a that will pop up menu
2016-11-16 21:00 <nebadon> on that menu select scale & rotation
2016-11-16 21:00 <djphil__> and position too
2016-11-16 21:00 <nebadon> blender is wierd about scale when you resize something
2016-11-16 21:00 <nebadon> it actually changes the scale not the actual size
2016-11-16 21:00 <nebadon> so if you dont apply that scale before you export it will use the original 1.0 scale
2016-11-16 21:01 <nebadon> and it wont be correct
2016-11-16 21:01 <Plugh> You can scale during import in to OS.
2016-11-16 21:01 <nebadon> you can but thats a pain in the ass
2016-11-16 21:01 <nebadon> if you want to do it correctly i would suggest trying it the way i described
2016-11-16 21:02 <nebadon> the problem is not all your peices might have the right scale
2016-11-16 21:02 <nebadon> they may all have different scales
2016-11-16 21:02 <nebadon> so if you dont apply it, the model ends up looking very strange 
2016-11-16 21:04 <nebadon> https://jibransyed.wordpress.com/2014/06/05/how-to-correct-scale-and-rotation-of-static-blender-models-for-unity/
2016-11-16 21:05 <Plugh> If the default is m in Blender I can switch to units of m in my modelling program before I export for use in Blender.
2016-11-16 21:05 <nebadon> yes
2016-11-16 21:05 <nebadon> i have to do that in sketchup alot
2016-11-16 21:05 <nebadon> alot of models use Architecural units which are in feet
2016-11-16 21:09 <Plugh> When I convert to m before exporting for Blender the import model as seen in Blender looks lousy.
2016-11-16 21:10 <Plugh> I'll stick to converting to mm before exporting then scale in Blender by 0.001 and that should keep the model looking good and get the right scale for the object.
2016-11-16 21:10 <nebadon> ok do you know how to do parenting ?
2016-11-16 21:11 <nebadon> this is another way you can scale stuff nicely
2016-11-16 21:11 <nebadon> import your object into blender
2016-11-16 21:11 <nebadon> then create a cube in the scene
2016-11-16 21:11 <nebadon> select your model then selct the cube last like your doing a opensim linkset
2016-11-16 21:11 <nebadon> then at the bottom menu in blender
2016-11-16 21:12 <nebadon> go to > Object > Parent > Object
2016-11-16 21:12 <nebadon> a second menu will pop up select Object
2016-11-16 21:12 <nebadon> this will make the cube the parent
2016-11-16 21:12 <nebadon> then if you scale just the cube the entire model will scale in proportion
2016-11-16 21:12 <nebadon> then once its done apply scale with ctrl+a
2016-11-16 21:13 <nebadon> then select everything again and go to > Object > Parent > Clear and Keep Transformation
2016-11-16 21:13 <nebadon> then delete the cube
2016-11-16 21:13 <djphil__> apply location too
2016-11-16 21:13 <nebadon> if the goal is to import into opensim
2016-11-16 21:13 <nebadon> location has no effect
2016-11-16 21:13 <nebadon> applying location puts the origon at 0,0,0
2016-11-16 21:13 <nebadon> which is fine but it makes moving object harder
2016-11-16 21:14 <nebadon> personally i like to set origin to geometry
2016-11-16 21:14 <nebadon> so its center of mass
2016-11-16 21:14 <nebadon> like opensim is
2016-11-16 21:14 <djphil__> iYes it resets values to 0 0 0
2016-11-16 21:15 <djphil__> Neb try to resize a avatar withouit apply location ...
2016-11-16 21:15 <nebadon> well avatars are a different story
2016-11-16 21:15 <nebadon> with rigging its probably more important
2016-11-16 21:15 <djphil__> i'm allwayw apàply location/rotation and scale
2016-11-16 21:15 <nebadon> for static scene objects it has no affect on anything
2016-11-16 21:15 <djphil__> apply*
2016-11-16 21:17 <djphil__> Very unfortunately we can not import our own geometry center :s
2016-11-16 21:18 <djphil__> It would be very interesting if Opensim allow that :)
2016-11-16 21:21 <Ubit> sl thing
2016-11-16 21:22 <Ubit> tries to guess it from shape
2016-11-16 21:22 <Ubit> on opensim.. wrong shape
2016-11-16 21:23 <Ubit> ubMeshm.. tries to improve that.. but... bahh
2016-11-16 21:27 <osmantis> Bug #8058:04 Informative Info For Windows 10 USERS 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8058 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-16 21:36 <djphil__> Ubit : i hope ub can fix mantis 7167 soon ... :)
2016-11-16 21:36 <djphil__> llKeyFrameMotion Carrousel still does not work
2016-11-16 21:38 <Ubit> "This is not possible to support at the moment.
2016-11-16 21:38 <Ubit>  For several reasons our physics engines apply forces to a avatar to keep it in position, or move it as requested. They do resist to pushes from objects and other avatars, sometimes even returning to original position when he push is over, depending on the engine.
2016-11-16 21:38 <Ubit>  To let a object drag a avatar like that, all this needed to be changed, so avatars could be dragged by just the friction with a object. Friction simulation is also not that good at the moment. 
2016-11-16 21:38 <Ubit> "
2016-11-16 21:38 <Ubit> no fix 
2016-11-16 21:38 <Ubit> in near future at least :)
2016-11-16 21:39 <djphil__> It is for this that I remind you :p
2016-11-16 21:42 <djphil__> Neb, apply location / rotation and scale has an effect also on UV texture
2016-11-16 21:42 <djphil__> but sure you know :)
2016-11-16 21:47 <Plugh> strange. No matter what units I use in my modelling program the model imports in to blender with the same size.
2016-11-16 22:04 <djphil__> Hmm, i'm trying to import directly a 0.5, 0.5, 0.5 cube from blender to opensim ... and a see no problem.
2016-11-16 22:06 <djphil__> Tried 2 different methods, the 1st is resize in blender, the second is use scale of the viewer when importing. Both methods work correctly.
2016-11-16 22:07 <djphil__> In the 2 methods i made scale 0.25
2016-11-16 22:08 <Plugh> Two hours later I find that 1000mm in Rhino becomes 10m in Blender so I need to scale in Blender by 0.1
2016-11-16 22:11 <djphil__> if you use "n" key of the keyboard on 3d view in Blender you cab see "dimensions"
2016-11-16 22:12 <djphil__> if you rez a default cube in blender, scale it by 0.25 and verify "dimension" ... you can see 0.5, 0.5, 0.5
2016-11-16 22:13 <djphil__> It is exactly the same as in opensim dimension
2016-11-16 22:13 <djphil__> i see no problem :)
2016-11-16 22:14 <Plugh> Wasted another two hours. Any kind of scaling makes the object too big or too small.
2016-11-16 22:15 <Plugh> The calculate step just complains about the size.
2016-11-16 22:22 <djphil__> 0.5 in Opensim = 50cm in Blender
2016-11-16 22:30 <djphil__> Plugh, maybee you can check "Length" in edge info to help you
2016-11-16 22:32 <Plugh> Found a solution. Use default units in Blender. In my 3D modelling program I change units to centimeters. After that I don't have to do any scaling.
2016-11-16 22:32 <djphil__> yeap, you can change it to "metric"
2016-11-16 22:32 <Plugh> Next step is texturing the model in Blender. Once I've done that I will have to work out how to handle importing 77 items.
2016-11-16 22:33 <djphil__> "lenght" help you to see size in real time on your mesh
2016-11-16 22:34 <Plugh> where is "length" in the menus?
2016-11-16 22:34 <djphil__> no
2016-11-16 22:34 <djphil__> in 3D view
2016-11-16 22:34 <djphil__> press key "n"
2016-11-16 22:34 <djphil__> to see new tab
2016-11-16 22:35 <djphil__> and look done of this tab
2016-11-16 22:36 <djphil__> on this same tab you can check too "Texture Solid" and "GLSL" on the Shading section
2016-11-16 22:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #5095 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-16 22:36 <djphil__> (that for your next step lol)
2016-11-16 22:36 <Ubit> blend exports shaders code to collada?
2016-11-16 22:37 <Ubit> or its only internal thing?
2016-11-16 22:38 <djphil__> Plugh : One important function also on this same tab is in the Normals section
2016-11-16 22:38 <djphil__> The 3 small icons there allow you to check the orientation of your normals
2016-11-16 22:38 <djphil__> This gives you a visual overview of your normals
2016-11-16 22:39 <Plugh> Ubit, no idea. I was wondering about it. Perhaps it uses the shader to create a texture image that gets exported.
2016-11-16 22:41 <djphil__> shaders isn't  imported, It requires importing textures one by one
2016-11-16 22:41 <djphil__> Only color texture is possible to import with mesh directly
2016-11-16 22:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5095: SUCCESS in 6 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5095/
2016-11-16 22:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor: dont let rcvd agentupdates time jump back
2016-11-16 22:42 <djphil__> I never managed to import normal map and specular map all at once with the mesh directly
2016-11-16 22:44 <Ubit> err i wasnt asking for viewers but on generic collada
2016-11-16 22:44 <djphil__> I do not know if this information is present in the dae file
2016-11-16 22:44 <djphil__> lets me try :)
2016-11-16 22:54 <djphil__> It seems that if you select fault opensim export setting and your tick more "include material textures"
2016-11-16 22:54 <djphil__> Then I see all the textures present in the dae file
2016-11-16 22:54 <Ubit>  fault opensim  nice :p
2016-11-16 22:58 <djphil__> It is present in the dae but Firestorm does not import it...
2016-11-17 00:22 <osmantis> Bug #8059:04 Unknown UserUMMAU42 replaces real User Name in Viewer Chat Window 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8059 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-11-17 00:29 <osmantis> Bug #8059:04 Unknown UserUMMAU42 replaces real User Name in Viewer Chat Window 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8059 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-17 00:36 <osmantis> Bug #8059:04 Unknown UserUMMAU42 replaces real User Name in Viewer Chat Window 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8059 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-17 00:55 <osmantis> Bug #8059:04 Unknown UserUMMAU42 replaces real User Name in Viewer Chat Window 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8059 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-17 01:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #5096 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-17 01:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5096: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5096/
2016-11-17 01:50 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix a debug message
2016-11-17 01:50 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  restore large useracconts expire time for testing
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2016-11-17 19:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #5097 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-17 19:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5097: SUCCESS in 6 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5097/
2016-11-17 19:27 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: minor changes to ubMeshmerizer memory use
2016-11-17 19:27 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add a missing dispose
2016-11-17 19:27 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: explicitly remove some references, and other useless changes
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2016-11-17 20:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #5098 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-17 21:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5098: SUCCESS in 4 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5098/
2016-11-17 21:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  counting issus safeguard
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2016-11-18 02:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #5099 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-18 02:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5099: SUCCESS in 4 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5099/
2016-11-18 02:18 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  a few more changes on potencial mem issues
2016-11-18 02:18 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  put back skip of first drip call
2016-11-18 02:54 <Abitar> Hi, is ther eany numbers on how much ram is needed to host large number of avatars in a region in .9?  Say 40?
2016-11-18 03:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #5100 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-18 03:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5100: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5100/
2016-11-18 03:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  revert to lower resolution clock on udpserver for testing
2016-11-18 03:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #5101 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-18 03:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5101: SUCCESS in 4 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5101/
2016-11-18 03:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  restore higher resolution clock on udpserver and lower uaeraccouts caching time
2016-11-18 03:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #5102 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-18 03:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5102: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5102/
2016-11-18 03:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  avoid a null ref. (needs better way)
2016-11-18 15:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5103: FAILURE in 1 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5103/
2016-11-18 15:18 <Ubit> ok jenkis is scared of aliens
2016-11-18 15:20 <Ubit> well it failed to git pull again
2016-11-18 15:32 <AliciaRaven> Jenkins sent u to coventry Ubit?
2016-11-18 15:32 <AliciaRaven> failing quite abit lately, not familiar with it myself tho
2016-11-18 15:33 <Ubit> git fetch failes
2016-11-18 15:33 <Ubit> failed
2016-11-18 16:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #5104 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5102 12 hr ago)
2016-11-18 16:05 <nebadon> i gave ol jenkins a kick in the butt
2016-11-18 16:05 <Ubit> thx
2016-11-18 16:10 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-11-18 16:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5104: FIXED in 5 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5104/
2016-11-18 16:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add expire time for aliens
2016-11-18 17:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #5105 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-11-18 17:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5105: SUCCESS in 4 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5105/
2016-11-18 17:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: search accout by id not volatil user name (HG)
2016-11-18 20:49 <Priestov> hi. Not working group chat. Its problem in helpers?
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2016-11-19 00:19 <osmantis> Bug #8060:04 Loaded OXP causes XML error on Windows 7, but not on almost identical Windows 7, or Windows 10 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8060 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-11-19 01:09 <osmantis> Bug #8060:04 Loaded OXP causes XML error on Windows 7, but not on almost identical Windows 7, or Windows 10 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8060 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-19 02:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #5106 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-19 02:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5106: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5106/
2016-11-19 02:34 <osjenkins> * melanie: Fix the previous commit
2016-11-19 02:34 <osjenkins> * melanie: REST console v2. This is an incompatible protocol change. It degrades gracefully.
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2016-11-19 06:46 <osmantis> Bug #8060:04 Loaded OXP causes XML error on Windows 7, but not on almost identical Windows 7, or Windows 10 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8060 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-19 21:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #5107 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-19 21:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5107: SUCCESS in 6 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5107/
2016-11-19 21:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove some potencial null refs i did add in last days :(
2016-11-19 21:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #5108 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-19 21:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5108: SUCCESS in 5 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5108/
2016-11-19 21:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change OutPacket drop condition
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2016-11-20 01:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #5109 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-20 01:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5109: SUCCESS in 5 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5109/
2016-11-20 01:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: give up on OutPacket drop condition on closing
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2016-11-20 02:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #5110 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-20 02:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5110: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5110/
2016-11-20 02:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: HG protocol is still broken for large regions. work around it on teleport via lm
2016-11-20 03:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #5111 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-20 03:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5111: SUCCESS in 4 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5111/
2016-11-20 03:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: HG UserAgent, return serverURI
2016-11-20 03:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #5112 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-20 03:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5112: SUCCESS in 4 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5112/
2016-11-20 03:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: HG LinkRegion sends region size also
2016-11-20 04:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #5113 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-20 04:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5113: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5113/
2016-11-20 04:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: HG LinkRegion receive region size also. Useless since olde r gatekeepers dont send it
2016-11-20 05:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #5114 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-20 05:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5114: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5114/
2016-11-20 05:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: HG add a small delay before start sending region data
2016-11-20 07:06 <tglion_> Ohhh, just for info:  I see some single error in log while using a test-script with llHTTPRequest/http_response:
2016-11-20 07:06 <tglion_> 07:53:15 - [POLL SERVICE WORKER THREAD]: Error System.ObjectDisposedException: The object was used after being disposed.
2016-11-20 07:06 <tglion_>   at System.Net.Sockets.Socket.Send (System.Byte[] buf, Int32 offset, Int32 size, SocketFlags flags) [0x0005c] in /home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILD/mono-4.0.4/mcs/class/System/System.Net.Sockets/Socket.cs:1841
2016-11-20 07:06 <tglion_>   at HttpServer.HttpClientContext.Send (System.Byte[] buffer, Int32 offset, Int32 size) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
2016-11-20 07:06 <tglion_>   at HttpServer.HttpResponse.Send () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
2016-11-20 07:06 <tglion_>   at OpenSim.Framework.Servers.HttpServer.OSHttpResponse.Send () [0x00017] in /opt/opensim/DeepImpact/OpenSim/Framework/Servers/HttpServer/OSHttpResponse.cs:325
2016-11-20 07:06 <tglion_>   at OpenSim.Framework.Servers.HttpServer.PollServiceHttpRequest.DoHTTPGruntWork (OpenSim.Framework.Servers.HttpServer.BaseHttpServer server, System.Collections.Hashtable responsedata) [0x00067] in /opt/opensim/DeepImpact/OpenSim/Framework/Servers/HttpServer/PollServiceHttpRequest.cs:94
2016-11-20 07:06 <tglion_> Unfortunatly I can't reproduce this error...
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2016-11-20 14:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #5115 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-20 16:35 <danbanner> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/opensimulator.org
2016-11-20 16:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #5116 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5114 11 hr ago)
2016-11-20 17:54 <misterblue> that's a pretty long build, osjenkins
2016-11-20 18:07 <nebadon> misterblue it was because melanie was scanning the disk
2016-11-20 18:07 <nebadon> 138gb has been cleared from server
2016-11-20 18:07 <nebadon> we wont be running into out of disk problem again anytime soon
2016-11-20 18:08 <nebadon> oh yea heh 11 hours i guess the server has been down for longer than i thought
2016-11-20 18:14 <nebadon> hmm Jenkins isnt starting now
2016-11-20 18:15 <nebadon> dont know why i restarted it like i normally do but its displaying a 503 error
2016-11-20 18:16 <nebadon> oh shit
2016-11-20 18:16 <nebadon> Melanie_T
2016-11-20 18:16 <nebadon> did you purge coyleds whole home folder?
2016-11-20 18:16 <nebadon> i think you killed Jenkins 
2016-11-20 18:16 <nebadon> no seems you didnt hrmm
2016-11-20 18:17 <nebadon> well I am stumped
2016-11-20 18:22 <nebadon> hmm jenkins might be coming back to life
2016-11-20 18:22 <nebadon> but sloooooow
2016-11-20 18:22 <nebadon> maybe fixing database or something
2016-11-20 18:23 <nebadon> ok ya looks like its coming alive again
2016-11-20 18:24 <nebadon> looks like the trick is just to restart it like 5 times lol
2016-11-20 18:24 <Melanie_T> no i only killed specific things
2016-11-20 18:24 <Melanie_T> not entire folders
2016-11-20 18:24 <nebadon> yea i saw thats good
2016-11-20 18:25 <nebadon> i worried because coyled was the one who setup jenkins
2016-11-20 18:25 <Melanie_T> ll /home
2016-11-20 18:25 <Melanie_T> jenkins is huge, too
2016-11-20 18:25 <Melanie_T> it could stand to lose ancient build logs
2016-11-20 18:25 <nebadon> probably 5000 copies of our git repo
2016-11-20 18:25 <nebadon> lol
2016-11-20 18:25 <nebadon> ah ya the logs
2016-11-20 18:26 <nebadon> hmm wierd Jenkins isnt talking here
2016-11-20 18:26 <nebadon> i trigged a rebuild/test but its not reported here yet
2016-11-20 18:27 <nebadon> oh its still cloning the repo
2016-11-20 18:27 <nebadon> server feels super slow still
2016-11-20 18:27 <nebadon> i wonder if git repo is ok
2016-11-20 18:28 <nebadon> ya cloning ok here
2016-11-20 18:28 <nebadon> jenkins is crazy slow at the moment
2016-11-20 18:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #5117 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5114 13 hr ago)
2016-11-20 18:29 <Melanie_T> the box is slow
2016-11-20 18:30 <Melanie_T> i'm hunting hogs
2016-11-20 18:30 <nebadon> ooooh ok
2016-11-20 18:30 <nebadon> that explains stuff i thought you were done
2016-11-20 18:30 <nebadon> carry on :P
2016-11-20 18:30 <Melanie_T> scanning the jenkins dirs just now, they're HUGE
2016-11-20 18:31 <nebadon> ya now i feel bad i kicked off a jenkins build
2016-11-20 18:31 <nebadon> it will be done soon
2016-11-20 18:31 <nebadon> there i aborted it
2016-11-20 18:31 <nebadon> sorry about that
2016-11-20 18:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5117: ABORTED in 7 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5117/
2016-11-20 21:21 <Ubit> tglion  those errors
2016-11-20 21:22 <Ubit> there is a http connection with viewers that is special
2016-11-20 21:23 <Ubit> any side can terminate it by timeout, by ll protocol
2016-11-20 21:23 <Ubit> and it not a error..
2016-11-20 21:24 <Ubit> just tcp stack does not detect that until a actually tries to send something and then errors
2016-11-20 21:24 <Ubit> that case will be hidden for log..  just not now
2016-11-20 22:47 <osmantis> Bug #8057:04 (OS 0.9.1) Many seated Avatars in region cause bad lag, high physics load in ubODE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8057 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-11-20 23:56 <osmantis> Bug #8057:04 (OS 0.9.1) Many seated Avatars in region cause bad lag, high physics load in ubODE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8057 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-21 02:13 <osmantis> Bug #8057:04 (OS 0.9.1) Many seated Avatars in region cause bad lag, high physics load in ubODE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8057 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-21 04:27 <misterblue> has anyone had the problem of OpenSim not finding a region module? I have a region module that follows all the rules but the loader will find it once (after a clean build) but after that it doesn't load the region module
2016-11-21 04:27 <misterblue> has anyone seen something like that before?
2016-11-21 04:29 <misterblue> the loading system finds the mono.addin stuff and creates the file in addin-db-002 but the loop through all the INonSharedRegionModule interfaces only finds the module after a clean build
2016-11-21 04:29 <misterblue> I build, run OpenSim.exe, it loads the module, exit the simulator, run OpenSim.exe, it doesn't load the module
2016-11-21 04:29 <misterblue> this is Windows 10
2016-11-21 04:29 <misterblue> 
ACTION keeps scratching head

2016-11-21 16:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #5118 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: ABORTED -- last SUCCESS #5114 1 day 10 hr ago)
2016-11-21 16:04 <Priestov>  /msg NickServ identify povarsergey
2016-11-21 16:05 <Ubit> ok go change the password :P
2016-11-21 16:05 <danbanner> change ur pass
2016-11-21 16:05 <Priestov> jr)
2016-11-21 16:05 <Priestov> ok))
2016-11-21 16:05 <Priestov> )))))
2016-11-21 16:05 <Priestov> loll
2016-11-21 16:06 <Ubit> never mind
2016-11-21 16:06 <Ubit> i once typed my linux passwork here :p
2016-11-21 16:06 <Ubit> one of them
2016-11-21 16:08 <Priestov> hi all)
2016-11-21 16:08 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-11-21 16:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5118: FIXED in 6 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5118/
2016-11-21 16:08 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: revert more object references removal on clients close because 2 many code paths don't have proper abort
2016-11-21 16:08 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: handle HG lm tp to large regions in another way
2016-11-21 16:08 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: work around some warnings
2016-11-21 16:08 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove something VS decided to add
2016-11-21 16:08 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: work around some more warnings
2016-11-21 16:09 <Priestov> i have problem in hypergrid with new version opensim opensim-0.9.0-867-g05f7002
2016-11-21 16:09 <Priestov> http://prnt.sc/da0if7
2016-11-21 16:09 <Priestov> http://prnt.sc/da0sql
2016-11-21 16:10 <Priestov> not working hypergrid(
2016-11-21 16:12 <Ubit> exception url   odd
2016-11-21 16:13 <Ubit> wait.. how recent ?
2016-11-21 16:13 <Ubit> try current code pls
2016-11-21 16:14 <danbanner> i get 16:14:12 - [HYPERGRID LINKER]: Link to hg.hyperica.com:8022 , in <28789,0>
2016-11-21 16:14 <danbanner> 16:14:12 - [HYPERGRID LINKER]: Link to hg.hyperica.com:8022 , in <31973,0>
2016-11-21 16:14 <danbanner> ya how recent
2016-11-21 16:15 <Ubit> hmm twice?
2016-11-21 16:17 <Ubit> oops
2016-11-21 16:17 <Ubit> 16:17:21 - [GATEKEEPER SERVICE CONNECTOR]: Exception The URI prefix is not recog
2016-11-21 16:17 <Ubit> nized.
2016-11-21 16:17 <Priestov> ))
2016-11-21 16:17 <Ubit> well the error is fixed
2016-11-21 16:17 <Ubit> :P
2016-11-21 16:18 <Priestov> i waiting)
2016-11-21 16:18 <Ubit> just do http://hg. ..
2016-11-21 16:18 <Priestov> but!!! The all funcion is working preffect!
2016-11-21 16:19 <Ubit> seems parsing uls with "hg"  is not ok
2016-11-21 16:19 <Priestov> one momment
2016-11-21 16:20 <Ubit> try as i said http;//hg.hyperica.com:8022
2016-11-21 16:20 <Priestov> yep
2016-11-21 16:20 <Priestov> work
2016-11-21 16:25 <Priestov> and prewions assembly have this bug
2016-11-21 16:25 <Priestov> opensim-0.9.0-865-g902e801 - this
2016-11-21 16:26 <Ubit> guess goes way bf that
2016-11-21 16:27 <danfox-laptop> Hmm, I seem to be having issues getting my restored-from-OAR sim to connect ot he hypergrid
2016-11-21 16:27 <danfox-laptop> *to the
2016-11-21 16:28 <Ubit> restarted region after loading ?
2016-11-21 16:28 <danfox-laptop> Will try that
2016-11-21 16:30 <danfox-laptop> not fixed it
2016-11-21 16:30 <danfox-laptop> hmm
2016-11-21 16:31 <danfox-laptop> also, upon region restart, logins are disabled and have to be manually enabled
2016-11-21 16:31 <Ubit> wtf
2016-11-21 16:33 <danfox-laptop> oh right, I didn't wait long enough on the logins
2016-11-21 16:33 <danfox-laptop> [08:33]  Could not teleport.
2016-11-21 16:33 <danfox-laptop> The region 'sanctuary.homelinux.org:8012:Eld' could not be found.
2016-11-21 16:34 <danfox-laptop> and in ROBUST and Opensim, no obvious mentions of Hypergrid teleport at all
2016-11-21 16:34 <danfox-laptop> (in the consoles)
2016-11-21 16:36 <danfox-laptop> this is when I tried walking into a blamgate I restored in the OAR.
2016-11-21 16:36 <danfox-laptop> Attempts to select landmarks in the Map on Singularity give the same lack of teleport.
2016-11-21 16:37 <danfox-laptop> Opensim 0.8.2.1 and Singularity 1.8.7
2016-11-21 16:39 <danfox-laptop> I can only presume something is misconfigured.
2016-11-21 16:40 <Ubit> i know nothing on 0.8,2 now
2016-11-21 16:40 <Ubit> not even what i had for lunch :p
2016-11-21 16:40 <danfox-laptop> In OpenSim.ini and Robust.ini, do I need to set the Home URL which is re-used by all the various constants as 127.0.0.1 or as opensim.vulpinedesigns.co.uk or as our IP address?
2016-11-21 16:41 <Ubit> but do you have hg enabled on region? ( first trivial check )
2016-11-21 16:41 <danfox-laptop> How does one enable it?
2016-11-21 16:41 <danfox-laptop> I might have forgotten <_<
2016-11-21 16:42 <Ubit> Arichitecture at end of opensim.ini
2016-11-21 16:42 <danfox-laptop> Aha... I think I selected the wrong option there, let me check
2016-11-21 16:46 <Ubit> grrr
2016-11-21 16:46 <Ubit> !!mapName.StartsWith("https")
2016-11-21 16:46 <Ubit> im so silly
2016-11-21 16:46 <danfox-laptop> ah
2016-11-21 16:46 <danfox-laptop> So my good news is I can teleport out. Bad news is I can't teleport home, possibly due to not having set a home yet.
2016-11-21 16:47 <Ubit> but i didnt push this bug i think
2016-11-21 16:47 <danfox-laptop> And also I need to figure out why my avatar refuses to be rendered
2016-11-21 16:52 <danfox-laptop> fixed the avatar by re-rezzing *shrugs*
2016-11-21 16:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #5119 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-11-21 16:56 <Ubit> err typo not type... grrr
2016-11-21 16:56 <Ubit> i need to change the AI of my keyboard
2016-11-21 16:56 <Priestov> thanks
2016-11-21 16:57 <Ubit> well that code stil does a mess
2016-11-21 16:58 <Ubit> if you look for same region with diferent url formats
2016-11-21 17:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5119: SUCCESS in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5119/
2016-11-21 17:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix type bug on hyperlinks
2016-11-21 17:59 <Priestov> now testing fix - all work. Thanks
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2016-11-22 01:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #5120 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-22 01:50 <Melanie_T> Ubit: ping
2016-11-22 01:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5120: SUCCESS in 4 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5120/
2016-11-22 01:54 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove a wrong virtual dec ( no overides, and cant really have if used on a constructor like in assetlandmark)
2016-11-22 01:54 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change asset description max size
2016-11-22 05:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #5121 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-22 05:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5121: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5121/
2016-11-22 05:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: replace datetime.now on just timming by faster utcnow
2016-11-22 09:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #5122 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-22 09:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5122: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5122/
2016-11-22 09:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  supress some warnings by explict(confirm) the hide of parent fields
2016-11-22 11:40 <Melanie_T> Ubit:ping
2016-11-22 11:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #5123 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-22 11:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5123: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5123/
2016-11-22 11:53 <osjenkins> melanie: Coding standards: A local variable may not use the prefix m_
2016-11-22 13:07 <Priestov> hi all
2016-11-22 15:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #5124 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-22 15:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5124: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5124/
2016-11-22 15:44 <osjenkins> * Alicia Raven: Include new Region.ini option for DefaultLandingPoint for teleports with no coords specified.
2016-11-22 15:44 <osjenkins> * Alicia Raven: Fix typo in a comment
2016-11-22 19:49 <danfox-laptop> Hi. I seem to be getting problems with Media on a Prim. It sets up as if the web browser has loaded the web page, scales the prim face to fit, but doesn't display any content.
2016-11-22 19:49 <danfox-laptop> Instead it stays blank.
2016-11-22 21:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #5125 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-22 21:24 <Ubit> now that i had copied it to my work copy :p
2016-11-22 21:24 <AliciaRaven> only changed two words oops srry
2016-11-22 21:24 <Ubit> kidding :)
2016-11-22 21:25 <Ubit> i do the same to dan
2016-11-22 21:25 <Ubit> as soon he has a new fresh osg release i push a bug fix :P
2016-11-22 21:25 <AliciaRaven> lol
2016-11-22 21:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5125: SUCCESS in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5125/
2016-11-22 21:28 <osjenkins> Alicia Raven: Minor fix to region default landing point sanity check
2016-11-22 22:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #5126 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-22 22:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5126: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5126/
2016-11-22 22:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: full change ServiceThrottleModule. Let it still service RegionHandleRequest and UUIDNameRequest but this wrong since they are diferent services. Keeping gambling about not having 2 much overlaps of the 2 kind of requests. Remove double thottling of RegionHandleRequest
2016-11-22 22:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #5127 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-22 22:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5127: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5127/
2016-11-22 22:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  close a resource on jobengine.close()
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2016-11-23 00:03 <snik> hi everyone
2016-11-23 00:04 <snik> seems i've found another bug in 0.9.1......
2016-11-23 00:04 <snik> only noticed it recently
2016-11-23 00:05 <snik> had 9 sims on the server, separated by a few blank spots, from each other, each running in their own opensim instance
2016-11-23 00:06 <snik> then added *quite a few* sea regions between them - 10 sea sims in each opensim instance...... (i did this so it would be good for sailing on )......
2016-11-23 00:07 <snik> and it appears that the single sims, in their own instances have the default water level set at around 17 meters.....
2016-11-23 00:07 <snik> and the *sea sims* hove a water level of about 20 mtrs
2016-11-23 00:08 <snik> i think you can see where i'm coming from here :)
2016-11-23 00:08 <Ubit> did u load oars ?
2016-11-23 00:08 <snik> oh hey ubit
2016-11-23 00:08 <snik> in some cases yes, in other cases no
2016-11-23 00:09 <snik> want me to check if that may be a factor?
2016-11-23 00:09 <Ubit> check on region/estate 
2016-11-23 00:09 <Ubit> if water level matchs what u see
2016-11-23 00:10 <snik> ok i may need a minute to do that
2016-11-23 00:14 <snik> ubit - what am i checking for, exactly in the estate settings, please?
2016-11-23 00:14 <Ubit> terrain tab
2016-11-23 00:15 <snik> ah i see the water height setting
2016-11-23 00:15 <snik> yes that agrees with what i'm seeing
2016-11-23 00:16 <snik> is that an issue with imporing oars into 0.9.1?
2016-11-23 00:16 <Ubit> didn't they had water at that level?
2016-11-23 00:17 <snik> well i dont think i've ever set water level *specifically*
2016-11-23 00:17 <snik> i always assume it will be at 20 mtrs
2016-11-23 00:17 <Ubit> so possible they did ?
2016-11-23 00:17 <snik> which i believe is the default
2016-11-23 00:17 <Ubit> yeap think so also
2016-11-23 00:18 <Ubit> change on that tab to what you want
2016-11-23 00:18 <snik> i own all my servers/grids/standalones, and i never have set water level specifically
2016-11-23 00:18 <snik> okies - good to know
2016-11-23 00:18 <snik> sorry to have bugged you ubit :)
2016-11-23 00:18 <Ubit> ive not seen anyone with same issue
2016-11-23 00:19 <Ubit> so lets assume its a glitch :)
2016-11-23 00:19 <snik> ok, noted
2016-11-23 00:19 <snik> lets :)
2016-11-23 00:19 <snik> thanks ubit :)
2016-11-23 00:19 <Ubit> wc
2016-11-23 00:19 <snik> ok its not a bug, its a *feature*, thats official :)
2016-11-23 00:19 <snik> 
ACTION chuckles

2016-11-23 00:20 <snik> ok well thanks and rest easy, when you do (if ever) get to your bed, ubit :)
2016-11-23 00:21 <snik> snik waves and scoots
2016-11-23 00:21 <Ubit> :)
2016-11-23 00:37 <osmantis> Bug #8061:04 Some Lightshare settings may vary beyond 6 digits in regionwindlight table and will display differences after sim restart. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8061 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-11-23 01:04 <osmantis> Bug #8061:04 Some Lightshare settings may vary beyond 6 digits in regionwindlight table and will display differences after sim restart. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-23 02:05 <osmantis> Bug #8061:04 Some Lightshare settings may vary beyond 6 digits in regionwindlight table and will display differences after sim restart. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-23 02:13 <osmantis> Bug #8061:04 Some Lightshare settings may vary beyond 6 digits in regionwindlight table and will display differences after sim restart. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-23 10:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #5128 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-23 10:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5128: SUCCESS in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5128/
2016-11-23 10:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix maturity on parcelInfo
2016-11-23 11:25 <osmantis> Bug #8062:04 Feature request for llScaleByFactor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8062 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-11-23 18:05 <osmantis> Bug #8063:04 SynchronousRestObjectRequester WebException for POST 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8063 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-11-23 19:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #5129 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-23 19:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5129: SUCCESS in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5129/
2016-11-23 19:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add to SynchronousRestFormsRequester a keepalive disable option, and make use of it on some friends conns
2016-11-23 19:43 <djphil_> Mmmm mmm :)
2016-11-23 19:53 <osmantis> Bug #8064:04 [Materials] exception processing received material 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8064 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-11-23 20:11 <Ubit> stop breaking things dj :p
2016-11-23 20:13 <Ubit> hmm dj change the tex scale how ?
2016-11-23 20:14 <djphil_> i rez a molecule mesh (linked mesh)
2016-11-23 20:14 <Ubit> never mind
2016-11-23 20:14 <djphil_> i select it to edit
2016-11-23 20:14 <Ubit> ok ok 
2016-11-23 20:16 <Ubit> hmm odd 
2016-11-23 20:20 <Ubit> the thing should know about the old material
2016-11-23 20:22 <djphil_> Actually, I'm doing tests right now and I see that it does not always happen.
2016-11-23 20:22 <djphil_> This product alone with certain objects.
2016-11-23 20:22 <djphil_> I can give you an object if you are inworld
2016-11-23 20:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #5130 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-23 20:26 <Ubit> try this when u can
2016-11-23 20:26 <djphil_> oki
2016-11-23 20:27 <Ubit> well if jenkis has no objections
2016-11-23 20:27 <djphil_> heh !
2016-11-23 20:27 <Ubit> no copy no mod  you do like me to steal things :p
2016-11-23 20:28 <djphil_> Use good
2016-11-23 20:28 <Ubit> but you test.. at least error should be gone
2016-11-23 20:28 <Ubit> yeap u make me a theaf  using God powers :p
2016-11-23 20:29 <djphil_> i give you white card :)
2016-11-23 20:29 <Ubit> uff  region, estate managers and Uauuu parcels owns!!!  should had never been addes
2016-11-23 20:29 <Ubit> err region in grid mode
2016-11-23 20:30 <Ubit> parcel owners.. what a nonsense :p
2016-11-23 20:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5130: SUCCESS in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5130/
2016-11-23 20:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  safeguard against unknown material replacemet
2016-11-23 20:31 <Ubit> guess one of this days ill have the fight of removing that :p
2016-11-23 20:34 <Ubit> btw anyone uses it?
2016-11-23 20:35 <djphil_> i don't use
2016-11-23 20:37 <Plugh> Is there a script function that will make an avatar face a given direction?
2016-11-23 20:37 <Ubit> i did made the local tp try that i thing
2016-11-23 20:38 <Plugh> hm... interesting idea
2016-11-23 20:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #5131 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-23 20:41 <Ubit> first step :p
2016-11-23 20:42 <djphil_> and last step :p
2016-11-23 20:42 <Ubit> wel possible.. tomorrow ill not remeber this :p
2016-11-23 20:43 <Ubit> well remove would easy some permitions checks load
2016-11-23 20:43 <Ubit> carp
2016-11-23 20:44 <Ubit> coff coff coff
2016-11-23 20:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5131: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5131/
2016-11-23 20:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  take parcel_owner_is_god option from ini.example since it is not a recomended option for general use
2016-11-23 20:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #5132 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-23 20:46 <Ubit> filling git disk.. yeack
2016-11-23 20:46 <Ubit> 
ACTION blames Plugh

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2016-11-23 20:47 <Plugh> What did I do now? :)
2016-11-23 20:47 <Ubit> distracted me :p
2016-11-23 20:48 <Ubit> and i forgot to save the file :)
2016-11-23 20:48 <Plugh> Its all a cunning plan  ;)
2016-11-23 20:48 <Ubit> :)
2016-11-23 20:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5132: SUCCESS in 4 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5132/
2016-11-23 20:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  it is nice to save a file to atually change it...
2016-11-23 20:51 <Plugh> That statement made me think of Baldrick from Black Adder  
2016-11-23 20:51 <Ubit> :)
2016-11-23 20:52 <AliciaRaven> a plan so cunning you could pin a tale on it and call it a fox
2016-11-23 20:52 <Ubit> lol
2016-11-23 20:53 <Ubit> hmm i did gave up on lms with FS and kokua
2016-11-23 20:53 <Plugh> :)
2016-11-23 20:53 <Ubit> they are brokne
2016-11-23 20:53 <Ubit> viewers don't send correct position, and stuck  getting the created lm asset
2016-11-23 20:54 <Ubit> gues they try to ask for it before creating.. but not sure
2016-11-23 20:56 <Ubit> position on large regions
2016-11-23 21:05 <Ubit> oops position is only on about lm display.. it does work
2016-11-23 21:27 <djphil_> Hmmm another small bug in the script engine
2016-11-23 21:27 <djphil_> When i try to rez an inventory prim with llRezObject, if the object is missing in the prim inventory, debug say a bad message. It says "llRezAtRoot" but I use "llRezObject"
2016-11-23 21:27 <djphil_> That probably a viewer side buggy (tested with FS only)
2016-11-23 21:28 <Ubit> ill look
2016-11-23 21:28 <djphil_> :)
2016-11-23 22:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #5133 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-23 22:16 <djphil_> good :)
2016-11-23 22:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5133: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5133/
2016-11-23 22:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix llRez(AtRoot/Object) error messages on shared code path
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2016-11-24 13:45 <osmantis> Bug #8065:04 [ASSET DB]: MySQL failure creating asset ... Error: Data too long for column 'description' at row 1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8065 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-11-24 13:46 <osmantis> Bug #8065:04 [ASSET DB]: MySQL failure creating asset ... Error: Data too long for column 'description' at row 1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8065 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007476.
2016-11-24 13:46 <osmantis> Bug #7476:04 Prim descirptions truncated to 64 bytes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7476 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008065.
2016-11-24 13:54 <osmantis> Bug #8065:04 [ASSET DB]: MySQL failure creating asset ... Error: Data too long for column 'description' at row 1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8065 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-11-24 13:55 <osmantis> Bug #8065:04 [ASSET DB]: MySQL failure creating asset ... Error: Data too long for column 'description' at row 1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8065 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-11-24 13:55 <osmantis> Bug #8065:04 [ASSET DB]: MySQL failure creating asset ... Error: Data too long for column 'description' at row 1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8065 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007350.
2016-11-24 13:55 <osmantis> Bug #7350:04 MySQL Data Base Schemas - Inconsistency in Name and Description Field Lengths 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7350 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008065.
2016-11-24 14:31 <Ubit> oops
2016-11-24 14:37 <AliciaRaven> damn bad time to update my servers
2016-11-24 14:38 <Ubit> yeap wait a bit
2016-11-24 14:38 <AliciaRaven> too late, im done :(
2016-11-24 14:39 <AliciaRaven> ah i spotted whats wrong
2016-11-24 14:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #5134 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-24 14:43 <ssm2017> hello Ubit is this bug can affect fsassets too ? (description is varchar(64) too)
2016-11-24 14:44 <Ubit> reverted to the original 64 yes
2016-11-24 14:45 <ssm2017> ok, i will then update my server too, thank you
2016-11-24 14:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5134: SUCCESS in 6 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5134/
2016-11-24 14:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  revert changes to asset desc size, my bad.. this field will possible go away in future
2016-11-24 14:58 <osmantis> Bug #8065:04 [ASSET DB]: MySQL failure creating asset ... Error: Data too long for column 'description' at row 1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8065 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-24 15:04 <ssm2017> Ubit are you updating the 0.9.0-post-fixes branch with bugs or is this only diva whos is managing this branch ?
2016-11-24 15:04 <Ubit> this is dev master
2016-11-24 15:05 <Ubit> diva manages the rc and releases
2016-11-24 15:06 <osmantis> Bug #8065:04 [ASSET DB]: MySQL failure creating asset ... Error: Data too long for column 'description' at row 1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8065 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-11-24 19:20 <osmantis> Bug #8065:04 [ASSET DB]: MySQL failure creating asset ... Error: Data too long for column 'description' at row 1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8065 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-24 19:50 <Priestov> its Bug #8065 only on Windows 10 or other OS?
2016-11-24 19:57 <Ubit> all and fixed
2016-11-24 20:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #5135 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-24 20:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5135: SUCCESS in 4 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5135/
2016-11-24 20:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  work around viewers not suporting large regions on landmark creation. They still may display wrong offset; don't let inventory description be limited by asset description side on a ossl method
2016-11-24 22:26 <osmantis> Bug #8065:04 [ASSET DB]: MySQL failure creating asset ... Error: Data too long for column 'description' at row 1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8065 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-24 22:44 <osmantis> Bug #8062:04 Feature request for llScaleByFactor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8062 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-11-24 22:48 <osmantis> Bug #8062:04 Feature request for llScaleByFactor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8062 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-24 23:13 <osmantis> Bug #8062:04 Feature request for llScaleByFactor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8062 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-24 23:22 <osmantis> Bug #8061:04 Some Lightshare settings may vary beyond 6 digits in regionwindlight table and will display differences after sim restart. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-11-25 01:02 <Melanie_T> NOTE: revision to REST console documented http://opensimulator.org/wiki/RestConsole
2016-11-25 06:00 <osmantis> Bug #8066:04 Fix in descriptions of: load xml, load xml2, save xml, save xml2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8066 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-11-25 06:01 <osmantis> Bug #8066:04 Fix in descriptions of: load xml, load xml2, save xml, save xml2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8066 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-11-25 06:04 <osmantis> Bug #8067:04 Fix in cmdparams.Length for: SavePrimsXml2 and SaveXml 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8067 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-11-25 06:05 <osmantis> Bug #8067:04 Fix in cmdparams.Length for: SavePrimsXml2 and SaveXml 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8067 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-11-25 06:06 <osmantis> Bug #7656:04 'load xml2' code broken in "./OpenSim/Region/Framework/Scenes/Serialization/SceneXmlLoader.cs" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7656 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
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2016-11-25 11:54 <osmantis> Bug #8068:04 [ubOde] Boats stop moving forward after sim crossing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8068 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-11-25 12:04 <osmantis> Bug #8069:04 [hypergrid] Embedded items in notecards can not be opened in destination grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8069 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-11-25 12:20 <osmantis> Bug #8068:04 [ubOde] Boats stop moving forward after sim crossing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8068 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-25 12:21 <osmantis> Bug #8068:04 [physics] Boats stop moving forward after sim crossing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8068 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-11-25 14:47 <osmantis> Bug #8061:04 Some Lightshare settings may vary beyond 6 digits in regionwindlight table and will display differences after sim restart. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-25 15:41 <osmantis> Bug #8062:04 Feature request for llScaleByFactor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8062 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-25 16:23 <osmantis> Bug #8062:04 Feature request for llScaleByFactor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8062 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-25 16:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #5136 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-25 16:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5136: FAILURE in 6 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5136/
2016-11-25 16:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Implementation of LSL_Integer llScaleByFactor(double scaling_factor)
2016-11-25 17:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #5137 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5135 20 hr ago)
2016-11-25 17:36 <osmantis> Bug #8062:04 Feature request for llScaleByFactor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8062 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-25 17:39 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-11-25 17:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5137: FIXED in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5137/
2016-11-25 17:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  change llScaleByFactor (sorry Mandarinka).
2016-11-25 17:43 <Ubit> shringing old Nebs okc racer is funny :)
2016-11-25 18:00 <osmantis> Bug #7386:04 [SCRIPT] Scale Factor functions are not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7386 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-11-25 18:08 <AliciaRaven> djphil_ patch was from Mandarinka Tasty not Total Sorbet btw
2016-11-25 18:09 <Ubit> ohh there was a mantis on it
2016-11-25 18:09 <Ubit> err and no thnx ME ???
2016-11-25 18:09 <Ubit> buaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
2016-11-25 18:10 <AliciaRaven> 
ACTION gives Ubit a cookie

2016-11-25 18:11 <Ubit> 
ACTION sits at corned eating the cookie

2016-11-25 18:11 <Ubit> corner
2016-11-25 18:12 <djphil_> This is already an improvement :)
2016-11-25 18:13 <Ubit> i don't talk to you... u gave me no thx or cookies
2016-11-25 18:13 <djphil_> No wisky ?
2016-11-25 18:19 <djphil_> when i use texture coordonates to drag a prim when my avatar is in another bondarie region, my prim go out the region too, mmm
2016-11-25 18:30 <Priestov> Hello! Where to see the default_appearance = default_appearance.xml file format to create a default avatars?
2016-11-25 18:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #5138 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-11-25 18:38 <osmantis> Bug #7386:04 [SCRIPT] Scale Factor functions are not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7386 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-25 18:39 <djphil_> :)
2016-11-25 18:40 <osmantis> Bug #8062:04 Feature request for llScaleByFactor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8062 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-25 18:40 <Ubit> 
ACTION takes a shootgun and looks to jenkins

2016-11-25 18:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5138: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5138/
2016-11-25 18:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add llGetMaxScaleFactor and llGetMinScaleFactor
2016-11-25 18:43 <Ubit> 
ACTION notices his gun has no bullets and looks to djphil_

2016-11-25 20:11 <Priestov> emm... vivox in opensim not working now?
2016-11-25 21:08 <AliciaRaven> Priestov, it should work fine, do u have your vivox account details set in the ini correctly?
2016-11-25 21:13 <Priestov> its not work in x64 version
2016-11-25 21:13 <Priestov> firestorm
2016-11-25 21:15 <Plugh> Priestov: Vivox has been known to be unavailable at times. How long have you had a problem with it?
2016-11-25 21:16 <Priestov> 12 days
2016-11-25 21:17 <AliciaRaven> i have it enabled but i dont have a mic to test
2016-11-25 21:37 <Ken_Savage> I have heard 64 bit version has various media issues, so that may be the problem.
2016-11-25 21:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #5139 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-25 21:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5139: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5139/
2016-11-25 21:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  reduce the resolution of llGetTime and llGetAndResetTime,  to 1ms
2016-11-25 22:05 <osmantis> Bug #8061:04 Some Lightshare settings may vary beyond 6 digits in regionwindlight table and will display differences after sim restart. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-25 22:35 <osmantis> Bug #8061:04 Some Lightshare settings may vary beyond 6 digits in regionwindlight table and will display differences after sim restart. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-11-26 01:05 <osmantis> Bug #7656:04 'load xml2' code broken in "./OpenSim/Region/Framework/Scenes/Serialization/SceneXmlLoader.cs" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7656 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-26 01:11 <osmantis> Bug #7656:04 'load xml2' code broken in "./OpenSim/Region/Framework/Scenes/Serialization/SceneXmlLoader.cs" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7656 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-26 01:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #5140 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-26 01:21 <osmantis> Bug #8061:04 Some Lightshare settings may vary beyond 6 digits in regionwindlight table and will display differences after sim restart. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8061 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-26 01:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5140: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5140/
2016-11-26 01:22 <osjenkins> Alicia Raven: Increase float precision for windlight needed by scripts. mySQL Migration on regionwindlight table.
2016-11-26 03:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #5141 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-26 03:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5141: SUCCESS in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5141/
2016-11-26 03:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  avoid doing unnecessary heavy things on change physics rep
2016-11-26 04:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #5142 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-26 04:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5142: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5142/
2016-11-26 04:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  don't go seach for info we already have at hand.. and there is no region height on  osGetRegionSize
2016-11-26 04:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #5143 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-26 04:11 <osmantis> Bug #8066:04 Fix in descriptions of: load xml, load xml2, save xml, save xml2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8066 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-26 04:14 <osmantis> Bug #8067:04 Fix in cmdparams.Length for: SavePrimsXml2 and SaveXml 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8067 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-26 04:15 <osmantis> Bug #8066:04 Fix in descriptions of: load xml, load xml2, save xml, save xml2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8066 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-26 04:15 <osmantis> Bug #8066:04 Fix in descriptions of: load xml, load xml2, save xml, save xml2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8066 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-11-26 04:16 <osmantis> Bug #8067:04 Fix in cmdparams.Length for: SavePrimsXml2 and SaveXml 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8067 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-26 04:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5143: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5143/
2016-11-26 04:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Fix in descriptions of: load xml, load xml2, save xml, save xml2
2016-11-26 04:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #5144 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-26 04:16 <osmantis> Bug #8067:04 Fix in cmdparams.Length for: SavePrimsXml2 and SaveXml 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8067 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-11-26 04:18 <osmantis> Bug #8062:04 Feature request for llScaleByFactor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8062 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-26 04:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5144: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5144/
2016-11-26 04:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Fix in cmdparams.Length for: SavePrimsXml2 and SaveXml
2016-11-26 04:32 <Plugh> Are keyframe settings for a prim set as prim properties?
2016-11-26 04:33 <Ubit> settings?
2016-11-26 04:33 <Ubit> at most state :p
2016-11-26 04:34 <Ubit> see KeyFramemotion.cs
2016-11-26 04:36 <Plugh> Someone was trying to make an object rotate using KFM then remove the script and is expecting it to continue to do the KFM action.
2016-11-26 04:36 <Plugh> I didn't know if the KFM settings are set as prim properties.
2016-11-26 04:36 <Ubit> they are stored on it
2016-11-26 04:37 <Plugh> ok
2016-11-26 04:37 <Ubit>            if (prim.KeyframeMotion != null)
2016-11-26 04:37 <Ubit>                 cmd.Parameters.AddWithValue("KeyframeMotion", prim.KeyframeMotion.Serialize());
2016-11-26 04:37 <Ubit> on prim db
2016-11-26 04:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #5145 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-26 04:52 <Ubit> grrr NOT changing...
2016-11-26 04:52 <Plugh> What isn't changing?
2016-11-26 04:52 <Ubit> that patch did start scripts
2016-11-26 04:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5145: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5145/
2016-11-26 04:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 7656, partialy apply patch, changing the start scripts for now
2016-11-26 04:56 <osmantis> Bug #7656:04 'load xml2' code broken in "./OpenSim/Region/Framework/Scenes/Serialization/SceneXmlLoader.cs" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7656 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-26 05:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #5146 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-26 05:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5146: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5146/
2016-11-26 05:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove 2 more null refs i added to release memory
2016-11-26 07:37 <djphil_> Ubit you there ?
2016-11-26 07:38 <djphil_> cookies, cookies ^^
2016-11-26 07:48 <osmantis> Bug #7386:04 [SCRIPT] Scale Factor functions are not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7386 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-11-26 07:49 <osmantis> Bug #7386:04 [SCRIPT] Scale Factor functions are not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7386 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2016-11-26 07:49 <osmantis> Bug #7386:04 [SCRIPT] Scale Factor functions are not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7386 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2016-11-26 08:19 <osmantis> Bug #6378:04 OS_PRIM_VELOCITY & OS_PRIM_ACCELERATION, an accompaniment to PRIM_OMEGA + OS_PRIM_PROJECTION 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6378 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-11-26 08:45 <osmantis> Bug #8062:04 Feature request for llScaleByFactor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8062 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-11-26 08:56 <osmantis> Bug #6378:04 OS_PRIM_VELOCITY & OS_PRIM_ACCELERATION, an accompaniment to PRIM_OMEGA + OS_PRIM_PROJECTION 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6378 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-11-27 02:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #5147 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-27 02:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5147: SUCCESS in 6 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5147/
2016-11-27 02:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: BUG fix encoding or region size on HG LinkRegionRequest response
2016-11-27 05:59 <osmantis> Bug #8070:04 map search requires use of http://, used to not require it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8070 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-11-27 10:40 <djphil_> What is the correct size for "innodb_buffer_pool_size" and "innodb_log_file_size" to use OpenSim ?
2016-11-27 10:42 <djphil_> http://pastebin.com/nhDQr4K2
2016-11-27 12:40 <osmantis> Bug #8020:04 [BASE HTTP SERVER] HandleRequest threw 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8020 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-11-27 15:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #5148 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-27 15:13 <osmantis> Bug #8070:04 map search requires use of http://, used to not require it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8070 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-27 15:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5148: SUCCESS in 6 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5148/
2016-11-27 15:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: HG on links request build the URI in http format with a / at end, this should not be needed but is coerent with current serverURI
2016-11-27 15:14 <Ubit> FLOOD ALERT
2016-11-28 04:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #5149 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-28 04:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5149: SUCCESS in 6 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5149/
2016-11-28 04:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: increase HG mapsearch spargetti; add more flexibility on input uri formats. To find regions in memory for a grid the http format needs to be used, because aditional compares made by viewers
2016-11-28 04:49 <osmantis> Bug #8070:04 map search requires use of http://, used to not require it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8070 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-28 05:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #5150 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-28 05:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5150: SUCCESS in 4 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5150/
2016-11-28 05:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: The implementation of new flags = paramters for llGetObjectDetails - Part I Constant: integer OBJECT_CLICK_ACTION = 28; Constant: integer OBJECT_OMEGA = 29; Constant: integer OBJECT_PRIM_COUNT = 30;
2016-11-28 06:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #5151 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-28 06:00 <osmantis> Bug #8072:04 The implementation of new flags = parameters for  llGetObjectDetails - Part II 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8072 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-28 06:01 <osmantis> Bug #8071:04 The implementation of new flags = parameters for  llGetObjectDetails - Part I 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8071 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-28 06:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5151: SUCCESS in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5151/
2016-11-28 06:04 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: The implementation of new flags = parameters for llGetObjectDetails - Part II Constant: integer OBJECT_TOTAL_INVENTORY_COUNT = 31 Constant: integer OBJECT_GROUP_TAG = 33
2016-11-28 06:04 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change last patch a bit
2016-11-28 17:19 <osmantis> Bug #8071:04 The implementation of new flags = parameters for  llGetObjectDetails - Part I 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8071 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-28 17:19 <osmantis> Bug #8071:04 The implementation of new flags = parameters for  llGetObjectDetails - Part I 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8071 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-11-28 17:20 <osmantis> Bug #8072:04 The implementation of new flags = parameters for  llGetObjectDetails - Part II 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8072 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-28 17:21 <osmantis> Bug #8072:04 The implementation of new flags = parameters for  llGetObjectDetails - Part II 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8072 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2016-11-29 03:06 <osmantis> Bug #8073:04 The new Constant: integer OBJECT_TEMP_ATTACHED = 34; for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8073 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-11-29 03:06 <osmantis> Bug #8073:04 The new Constant: integer OBJECT_TEMP_ATTACHED = 34; for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8073 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-11-29 04:32 <Nevren> Any devs about that I could just pass a few bugs to? I know this is not mantis, but I haven't gotten an email for several days for mantis. llRequestURL() and llGetAngentInfo() have a couple bugs for me, and I have a ubOde issue I'd like to report
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2016-11-30 00:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #5152 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-30 00:08 <osmantis> Bug #8073:04 The new Constant: integer OBJECT_TEMP_ATTACHED = 34; for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8073 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-30 00:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5152: SUCCESS in 6 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5152/
2016-11-30 00:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: The new Constant: integer OBJECT_TEMP_ATTACHED = 34;
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2016-11-30 06:28 <osmantis> Bug #8074:04 Opensim region restart called from viewer(s) won't be complete and leave non working scripted objects. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8074 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-11-30 06:34 <osmantis> Bug #8074:04 Opensim region restart called from viewer(s) won't be complete and leave non working scripted objects. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8074 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-30 06:41 <osmantis> Bug #8074:04 Opensim region restart called from viewer(s) won't be complete and leave non working scripted objects. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8074 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-11-30 07:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #5153 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-30 07:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5153: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5153/
2016-11-30 07:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: slow down automatic floatsamAssetCache CleanupExpiredFiles LOT to reduce impact on simulation and to give GC more changes of preventing it from eating up all avaialble physcical memory on loaded machines.
2016-11-30 07:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #5154 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-30 07:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5154: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5154/
2016-11-30 07:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: disable floatSam FileCleanupTimer option on ini.example since it is currently a broken resources expensive option. Users should do it by hand when its impact on region is acceptable
2016-11-30 07:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #5155 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-30 08:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5155: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5155/
2016-11-30 08:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix the FileCleanupTimer coment
2016-11-30 09:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #5156 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-30 09:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5156: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5156/
2016-11-30 09:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix null ref on m_CacheCleanTimer control, add a gc.collect on manual floatsam fcache assets comand
2016-11-30 10:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #5157 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-11-30 10:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5157: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5157/
2016-11-30 10:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix a null ref
2016-11-30 13:11 <osmantis> Bug #8074:04 Opensim region restart called from viewer(s) won't be complete and leave non working scripted objects. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8074 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-12-01 02:20 <osmantis> Bug #8073:04 The new Constant: integer OBJECT_TEMP_ATTACHED = 34; for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8073 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-01 02:20 <osmantis> Bug #8073:04 The new Constant: integer OBJECT_TEMP_ATTACHED = 34; for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8073 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-12-01 03:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #5158 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-01 03:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5158: SUCCESS in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5158/
2016-12-01 03:17 <osjenkins> Alicia Raven: Remove unused integer vars from LLClientView
2016-12-01 03:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #5159 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-01 03:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5159: FAILURE in 4 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5159/
2016-12-01 03:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  a few changes to cache.cs ( currently not much used )
2016-12-01 03:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  fix region overlaps on registration
2016-12-01 03:52 <Ubit> grrr
2016-12-01 04:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #5160 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5158 49 min ago)
2016-12-01 04:06 <osmantis> Bug #8075:04 Var regions can be placed to overlap other regions with no errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8075 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-01 04:06 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-12-01 04:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5160: FIXED in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5160/
2016-12-01 04:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix region area range
2016-12-01 04:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #5161 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-12-01 04:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5161: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5161/
2016-12-01 04:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix a typo in dbs region range
2016-12-01 04:26 <osmantis> Bug #8075:04 Var regions can be placed to overlap other regions with no errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8075 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-01 05:03 <osmantis> Bug #6743:04 llGetRot incorrect from an attachment on a seated avatar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-01 07:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #5162 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-01 07:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5162: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5162/
2016-12-01 07:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  do a GC collect on last client exit
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2016-12-02 21:45 <osmantis> Bug #8076:04 Could not resolve external hostname red error followed by Firestorm viewer crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8076 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-02 21:51 <osmantis> Bug #8076:04 Could not resolve external hostname red error followed by Firestorm viewer crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8076 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-12-02 21:52 <osmantis> Bug #8076:04 Could not resolve external hostname red error followed by Firestorm viewer crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8076 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-02 21:53 <osmantis> Bug #8076:04 Could not resolve external hostname red error followed by Firestorm viewer crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8076 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008070.
2016-12-02 21:53 <osmantis> Bug #8070:04 map search requires use of http://, used to not require it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8070 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008076.
2016-12-02 21:53 <Ubit> related?
2016-12-02 22:03 <osmantis> Bug #8076:04 Could not resolve external hostname red error followed by Firestorm viewer crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8076 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-12-02 22:13 <osmantis> Bug #8076:04 Could not resolve external hostname red error followed by Firestorm viewer crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8076 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-02 22:15 <osmantis> Bug #8076:04 Could not resolve external hostname red error followed by Firestorm viewer crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8076 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-02 22:21 <osmantis> Bug #8076:04 Could not resolve external hostname red error followed by Firestorm viewer crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8076 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-12-02 22:35 <osmantis> Bug #8070:04 map search requires use of http://, used to not require it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8070 ): has been marked as UNRELATED TO issue 0008076.
2016-12-02 22:35 <osmantis> Bug #8076:04 Could not resolve external hostname red error followed by Firestorm viewer crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8076 ): has been marked as UNRELATED TO issue 0008070.
2016-12-02 22:36 <osmantis> Bug #8076:04 Could not resolve external hostname red error followed by Firestorm viewer crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8076 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-02 22:37 <osmantis> Bug #8076:04 Could not resolve external hostname red error followed by Firestorm viewer crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8076 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-12-02 22:38 <Ubit> ok ive 10 cubes on floor which one is my ostp test?   grrr
2016-12-02 22:39 <Ubit> i do need to cleanup my test region.. starts to look 2 much as my desk
2016-12-02 22:46 <Plugh> :)
2016-12-02 22:47 <Plugh> turn on auto-return for the parcel.
2016-12-02 22:48 <Ubit> :)
2016-12-02 22:52 <osmantis> Bug #8076:04 Could not resolve external hostname red error followed by Firestorm viewer crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8076 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-02 23:03 <osmantis> Bug #8076:04 Could not resolve external hostname red error followed by Firestorm viewer crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8076 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-02 23:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #5163 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-02 23:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5163: SUCCESS in 6 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5163/
2016-12-02 23:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change a wrong error message and avoid a null ref (that may happen due to needed time delays)
2016-12-03 00:00 <osmantis> Bug #8076:04 Could not resolve external hostname red error followed by Firestorm viewer crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8076 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-03 01:57 <osmantis> Bug #8077:04 Gatekeeper fail in Standalone configuration "Visitor provided malformed service address" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8077 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-03 02:30 <osmantis> Bug #8077:04 Gatekeeper fail in Standalone configuration "Visitor provided malformed service address" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8077 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-12-03 02:50 <osmantis> Bug #8077:04 Gatekeeper fail in Standalone configuration "Visitor provided malformed service address" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8077 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-03 03:14 <osmantis> Bug #8077:04 Gatekeeper fail in Standalone configuration "Visitor provided malformed service address" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8077 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-03 03:22 <osmantis> Bug #8077:04 Gatekeeper fail in Standalone configuration "Visitor provided malformed service address" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8077 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-03 04:22 <osmantis> Bug #8077:04 Gatekeeper fail in Standalone configuration "Visitor provided malformed service address" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8077 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-03 04:22 <osmantis> Bug #8077:04 Gatekeeper fail in Standalone configuration "Visitor provided malformed service address" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8077 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-03 04:22 <Ubit> oops
2016-12-03 04:22 <osmantis> Bug #8077:04 Gatekeeper fail in Standalone configuration "Visitor provided malformed service address" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8077 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-12-03 04:23 <osmantis> Bug #8077:04 Gatekeeper fail in Standalone configuration "Visitor provided malformed service address" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8077 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-03 09:13 <osmantis> Bug #8076:04 Could not resolve external hostname red error followed by Firestorm viewer crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8076 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-03 09:18 <osmantis> Bug #8076:04 Could not resolve external hostname red error followed by Firestorm viewer crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8076 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-03 13:26 <osmantis> Bug #8076:04 Could not resolve external hostname red error followed by Firestorm viewer crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8076 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-03 13:55 <osmantis> Bug #8076:04 Could not resolve external hostname red error followed by Firestorm viewer crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8076 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-03 14:49 <osmantis> Bug #8076:04 Could not resolve external hostname red error followed by Firestorm viewer crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8076 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-03 14:54 <osmantis> Bug #8076:04 Could not resolve external hostname red error followed by Firestorm viewer crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8076 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-03 18:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #5164 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-03 18:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5164: SUCCESS in 5 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5164/
2016-12-03 18:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubMeshmerizer, fix the orientation of last triangle on top/bottom faces in case on circle hollow shape
2016-12-03 18:43 <osmantis> Bug #8019:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp() is producing RLVa assertion failure 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8019 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-03 19:56 <osmantis> Bug #8076:04 Could not resolve external hostname red error followed by Firestorm viewer crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8076 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-12-04 06:21 <osmantis> Bug #8078:04 The new Constant: integer OBJECT_REZZER_KEY = 32 for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8078 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-04 06:22 <osmantis> Bug #8078:04 The new Constant: integer OBJECT_REZZER_KEY = 32 for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8078 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-12-04 06:24 <osmantis> Bug #8078:04 The new Constant: integer OBJECT_REZZER_KEY = 32 for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8078 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-12-04 06:27 <osmantis> Bug #8078:04 The new Constant: integer OBJECT_REZZER_KEY = 32 for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8078 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-12-04 07:33 <osmantis> Bug #8079:04 Adding new string-parameter: "region_max_prims" for  llGetEnv(string name) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8079 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-04 07:33 <osmantis> Bug #8079:04 Adding new string-parameter: "region_max_prims" for  llGetEnv(string name) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8079 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-12-04 10:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #5165 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-04 10:41 <osmantis> Bug #8079:04 Adding new string-parameter: "region_max_prims" for  llGetEnv(string name) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8079 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-04 10:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5165: SUCCESS in 5 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5165/
2016-12-04 10:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Adding new string-parameter: "region_max_prims" for llGetEnv(string name);
2016-12-04 10:59 <osmantis> Bug #8078:04 The new Constant: integer OBJECT_REZZER_KEY = 32 for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8078 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-04 15:21 <osmantis> Bug #8078:04 The new Constant: integer OBJECT_REZZER_KEY = 32 for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8078 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-04 15:22 <osmantis> Bug #8079:04 Adding new string-parameter: "region_max_prims" for  llGetEnv(string name) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8079 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-04 15:27 <osmantis> Bug #8078:04 The new Constant: integer OBJECT_REZZER_KEY = 32 for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8078 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-04 15:28 <osmantis> Bug #8078:04 The new Constant: integer OBJECT_REZZER_KEY = 32 for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8078 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-04 15:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #5166 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-04 15:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5166: SUCCESS in 5 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5166/
2016-12-04 15:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: replace GetDisplaynames by a handler really usable as a client cap. Most capabilities.handlers are so it all things not propor PER CLIENT CAP handlers
2016-12-04 17:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #5167 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-04 17:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5167: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5167/
2016-12-04 17:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few changes to new GetDisplaynames and friends
2016-12-04 17:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #5168 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-04 17:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5168: SUCCESS in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5168/
2016-12-04 17:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: The new Constant: integer OBJECT_REZZER_KEY = 32;
2016-12-04 17:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #5169 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-04 18:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5169: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5169/
2016-12-04 18:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove SOG.FromPartID from main code and flag it obsolete
2016-12-04 18:22 <osmantis> Bug #8078:04 The new Constant: integer OBJECT_REZZER_KEY = 32 for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8078 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-12-04 23:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #5170 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-04 23:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5170: SUCCESS in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5170/
2016-12-04 23:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: HG: fix the never ending avatar confirmation when 2 users from same grid made friendship on another grid
2016-12-04 23:36 <Ubit> hi Ken_Savage  your are still testing httptests branch ?
2016-12-04 23:39 <Ubit> FLOOD ALERT
2016-12-05 02:15 <osmantis> Bug #8079:04 Adding new string-parameter: "region_max_prims" for  llGetEnv(string name) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8079 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-12-05 02:15 <osmantis> Bug #8078:04 The new Constant: integer OBJECT_REZZER_KEY = 32 for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8078 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-05 02:16 <osmantis> Bug #8078:04 The new Constant: integer OBJECT_REZZER_KEY = 32 for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8078 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-12-05 07:34 <osmantis> Bug #8080:04 OSSL proposal: HG capable osInstantMessage and osGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8080 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-05 09:04 <osmantis> Bug #8081:04 [XEngine] DoOnRezScriptQueue Could not load file or assembly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8081 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-05 09:23 <osmantis> Bug #8081:04 [XEngine] DoOnRezScriptQueue Could not load file or assembly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8081 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2016-12-05 09:24 <osmantis> Bug #8081:04 [XEngine] DoOnRezScriptQueue Could not load file or assembly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8081 ): has been CLOSED
2016-12-05 11:30 <osmantis> Bug #8082:04 Some Constant are no implemented for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8082 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-12-05 11:31 <osmantis> Bug #8082:04 Some Constant are no implemented for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8082 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2016-12-05 12:01 <osmantis> Bug #8082:04 Some Constant are no implemented for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8082 ): Le bogue suivant a été LIÉ au bogue 0008078.
2016-12-05 12:01 <osmantis> Bug #8078:04 The new Constant: integer OBJECT_REZZER_KEY = 32 for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8078 ): Le bogue suivant a été LIÉ au bogue 0008082.
2016-12-05 12:08 <osmantis> Bug #8082:04 Some Constant are no implemented for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8082 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2016-12-05 12:18 <osmantis> Bug #8082:04 Some Constant are no implemented for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8082 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-05 12:21 <osmantis> Bug #8082:04 Some Constant are no implemented for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8082 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2016-12-05 12:21 <osmantis> Bug #8082:04 Some Constant are no implemented for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8082 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2016-12-05 13:14 <osmantis> Bug #8080:04 OSSL proposal: HG capable osInstantMessage and osGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8080 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-12-06 03:21 <osmantis> Bug #8080:04 OSSL proposal: HG capable osInstantMessage and osGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8080 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-06 03:29 <osmantis> Bug #8080:04 OSSL proposal: HG capable osInstantMessage and osGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8080 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-06 04:59 <osmantis> Bug #8080:04 OSSL proposal: HG capable osInstantMessage and osGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8080 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-12-06 05:02 <osmantis> Bug #8080:04 OSSL proposal: HG capable osInstantMessage and osGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8080 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-12-06 07:26 <osmantis> Bug #8080:04 OSSL proposal: HG capable osInstantMessage and osGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8080 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-06 07:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #5171 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-06 07:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5171: FAILURE in 5 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5171/
2016-12-06 07:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove redundante check for ssl listener
2016-12-06 07:33 <Ubit> grr
2016-12-06 07:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #5172 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5170 1 day 8 hr ago)
2016-12-06 07:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5172: STILL FAILING in 4 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5172/
2016-12-06 07:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: jenkins likes null httplisteners
2016-12-06 13:42 <osmantis> Bug #8080:04 OSSL proposal: HG capable osInstantMessage and osGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8080 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-06 14:04 <osmantis> Bug #8080:04 OSSL proposal: HG capable osInstantMessage and osGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8080 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-06 14:17 <osmantis> Bug #8080:04 OSSL proposal: HG capable osInstantMessage and osGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8080 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-06 14:50 <osmantis> Bug #8080:04 OSSL proposal: HG capable osInstantMessage and osGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8080 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-06 15:20 <osmantis> Bug #8080:04 OSSL proposal: HG capable osInstantMessage and osGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8080 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-06 16:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #5173 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #5170 1 day 17 hr ago)
2016-12-06 16:22 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-12-06 16:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5173: FIXED in 5 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5173/
2016-12-06 16:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let NPCs have profile
2016-12-06 17:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #5174 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-12-06 17:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5174: SUCCESS in 4 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5174/
2016-12-06 17:23 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  add osNpcSetProfileAbout(LSL_Key npc, string about) to set NPCs profile About text. requires OsNpcCreate rights
2016-12-06 17:23 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: if we have profile then npc is online
2016-12-06 19:02 <Plugh> Time for the weekly meeting in osgrid.
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2016-12-07 02:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #5175 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-12-07 02:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: set HasGridUserTried on usercache of NPCs
2016-12-07 04:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #5176 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-07 05:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5176: SUCCESS in 6 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5176/
2016-12-07 05:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add missing sp Intransit control
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2016-12-07 13:33 <Ubit> outch  my windows does not like comand shuntdown without options
2016-12-07 13:33 <Ubit> bless it
2016-12-07 13:34 <Ubit> uauu lots of options
2016-12-07 18:45 <osmantis> Bug #7911:04 OSSL proposal : osDie(LSL_Key) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7911 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-07 19:15 <osmantis> Bug #7911:04 OSSL proposal : osDie(LSL_Key) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7911 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-12-07 20:42 <Ubit> nice had hard kill alchemy 4.0 when noticed i already had 3 or 4 duplicates of each calling card  around 400 total and more beening created...
2016-12-07 20:43 <Ubit> as is sounds more like a opensim killer than a opensim viewer
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2016-12-07 21:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #5177 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-12-07 21:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change caps Sethome fail error report
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2016-12-07 23:44 <Plugh> hey, danbanner
2016-12-07 23:45 <danbanner> hey Plugh
2016-12-07 23:45 <Plugh> danbanner: I just made some updates to the OpenSimProfile module. I went to push the changes and found that forge.opensimulator.org is unknown.
2016-12-07 23:45 <Plugh> danbanner: Any idea what happened to it? Is there some other location for add on modules for OS?
2016-12-07 23:46 <danbanner> ya i think that box is offline
2016-12-07 23:46 <Plugh> oh, ok
2016-12-07 23:47 <danbanner> mebbe stick it on github?
2016-12-07 23:48 <Plugh> I could do that. I do have a github account.
2016-12-08 01:25 <osmantis> Bug #8080:04 OSSL proposal: HG capable osInstantMessage and osGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8080 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-08 02:04 <osmantis> Bug #8040:04 Runtime errors with some OSSL functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8040 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-12-08 23:57 <Ubit> err where is the other commit ?
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2016-12-09 05:00 <djphil> nebadon : probably found the origin of low low low compiling script. That appen essentially when i work on multiple copy of the prims. If i work without copy (rez prim by prim) then all seam working proprely. else, no, very very very slowly or badly :(
2016-12-09 05:07 <djphil> jakdaniels : scripts done, available on sandbox (full perm).
2016-12-09 05:08 <djphil> good night :)
2016-12-09 08:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #5178 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-09 08:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5178: SUCCESS in 6 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5178/
2016-12-09 08:27 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: JsonRpc: don't try to connect to a empty uri
2016-12-09 08:27 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: HG: add missing information on GetRegion
2016-12-09 11:24 <jakdaniels> djphil thanks I'll take a look
2016-12-09 11:47 <djphil> hi, ok ... i'm working on a v0.2
2016-12-09 11:48 <djphil> Run much faster ... :)
2016-12-09 12:08 <jakdaniels> djphil. ok I'm in sandbox, the v1 looks good... seems to work ok :)
2016-12-09 13:28 <jakdaniels> hmmm OSCC sandbox region seems to be ill.... can't copy or take objects any more. Can anyone restart the region? nebadon?
2016-12-09 14:36 <nebadon> sure Jakdaniels
2016-12-09 14:37 <jakdaniels> thanks nebadon
2016-12-09 14:38 <nebadon> wierd i cant reach the server at all
2016-12-09 14:38 <nebadon> that isnt good
2016-12-09 14:39 <jakdaniels> ok neither can I now.... it was ok an hour ago
2016-12-09 14:42 <nebadon> im rebooting the box now
2016-12-09 14:42 <nebadon> give me a bit
2016-12-09 14:43 <nebadon> i could still reach the idrac
2016-12-09 14:44 <nebadon> its running a fsck of course
2016-12-09 14:44 <nebadon> good thing its fast drives :)
2016-12-09 14:46 <jakdaniels> strange for it to lock up completely.... unless it had completely run out of memory or something...
2016-12-09 14:46 <jakdaniels> the sandbox region was behaving a bit strangely 
2016-12-09 14:47 <nebadon> this machine hasnt rebooted in over a year
2016-12-09 14:47 <nebadon> so probably a good thing
2016-12-09 14:47 <jakdaniels> yeah. is it running OS 0.9 release now or 0.9.1 dev?
2016-12-09 14:48 <nebadon> its 0.8.2 release
2016-12-09 14:48 <nebadon> I just didnt have the time to update and test this year
2016-12-09 14:48 <jakdaniels> ah ok. well it worked well enough last year, probably no sense in changing it now
2016-12-09 14:48 <nebadon> I was hoping we had a release much much earlier
2016-12-09 14:48 <nebadon> OSCC always ran the release
2016-12-09 14:52 <nebadon> ok Keynotes, Staff Zone and Sandbox are back
2016-12-09 14:52 <jakdaniels> cool
2016-12-09 15:01 <nebadon> ok grid fully back up now
2016-12-09 16:58 <djphil> ping jakdaniels
2016-12-09 17:00 <djphil> watch this short video exemple jak. You can see on it difference of speed between v1 and v2 (v1 use web texture, v2 don't use web texture) v1 work very slowly, v2 very quickly
2016-12-09 17:00 <djphil> http://digigrids.no-ip.org/jak/test.mp4
2016-12-09 17:00 <djphil> lets me know when you have see the video, then i can remove it. Ty!
2016-12-09 17:05 <djphil> and that only with 16 crowfunders ... but total crowfonders is 64 ... i lets you imagine what's happen with 64 web textures :p
2016-12-09 17:48 <jakdaniels> djphil.... so I made a v1 board with 70 textures. When I ran the script it crashed the sandbox region (twice) on OSCC. So now I'm playing on my test region JDTest4 on OSGrid. Also osGetDrawStringSize is broken - extent.x is alway 1.000
2016-12-09 17:49 <jakdaniels> We should not build and test this on OSCC anymore.... ;)
2016-12-09 17:50 <djphil> you are true
2016-12-09 17:50 <djphil> the problem appear when you use drag and drop to create a copy of the panel
2016-12-09 17:51 <djphil> if you rez a nez panel from inventory that better
2016-12-09 17:51 <djphil> but yes, the OSSL function have bug
2016-12-09 17:52 <Ubit> thosw always had issues
2016-12-09 17:52 <djphil> and this isn't safe to use for OSSC
2016-12-09 17:52 <djphil> i'm agree with you
2016-12-09 17:52 <jakdaniels> the problem is sending 70 link messages all at once and each link prim trying to create a texture.... it kills the sim. using llSleep(5.0) between each message seems to work much better. I think it's thread overload
2016-12-09 17:52 <Ubit> yeap damm heavy possible leak
2016-12-09 17:53 <jakdaniels> So..... I want to create the board on my test region... no worries if it breaks the region, then just import the board with set textures into OSCC
2016-12-09 17:53 <Ubit> mb worse on linux bc of gtk
2016-12-09 17:53 <Ubit> or whatever mono uses
2016-12-09 17:53 <djphil> we need ossl optimisation ...
2016-12-09 17:53 <jakdaniels> but.... I think osGetDrawStringSize is broken on 0.9+ but works on 0.8.2 (OSCC)
2016-12-09 17:54 <Ubit> that is mono  etc
2016-12-09 17:54 <Ubit> ossl doent little more that call it
2016-12-09 17:54 <djphil> the probelm appear with 70 linked message ... yes and no ... the problem appear with 10 linkend message too
2016-12-09 17:54 <Ubit> than
2016-12-09 17:54 <Ubit> yr suicidal  we know :p
2016-12-09 17:55 <djphil> the probelm is with drag to copy too
2016-12-09 17:55 <djphil> problem*
2016-12-09 17:55 <Ubit> mb the temp text asset isn't all them good
2016-12-09 17:56 <djphil> i made one with Dynamic texture without web texture
2016-12-09 17:56 <djphil> and it work so much better
2016-12-09 17:56 <jakdaniels> I also changed the slave code so it only renders the text if the message is different to last time
2016-12-09 17:56 <jakdaniels> djphil can you bring it to osgrid in your suitcase?
2016-12-09 17:57 <djphil> yes, sure
2016-12-09 17:57 <jakdaniels> I'm on region JDTest4
2016-12-09 17:57 <djphil> kk
2016-12-09 17:59 <Ubit> thats 0.8.3 ?
2016-12-09 18:00 <Ubit> well that is almost the same on 91
2016-12-09 18:00 <jakdaniels> OSCC grid regions are on 0.8.2
2016-12-09 18:00 <djphil> oscc Sandbox is on 0.8.2.2 PF
2016-12-09 18:00 <djphil> but i'm testing on my local standalone on 0.9.2.1 Dev
2016-12-09 18:01 <djphil> the problem is the same
2016-12-09 18:01 <Ubit> 92 uaaauuu
2016-12-09 18:01 <djphil> nebadon : Can you add my uuid for ossl on oscc2016 please
2016-12-09 18:01 <djphil> For read / write / count and for map texture
2016-12-09 18:02 <djphil> oops 0.8.2.x and 0.9.1.x :)
2016-12-09 18:02 <Ubit> yeap no changes on that
2016-12-09 18:02 <Ubit> ppl do avoid using 
2016-12-09 18:03 <djphil> i remeber with a tweeter panel i'm using in the past (with dynamic texture too)
2016-12-09 18:03 <Ubit> faster using gimp and upload :p
2016-12-09 18:03 <djphil> i have exacly same problem ...
2016-12-09 18:04 <djphil> yeah and create actionscript to create all 70 textures
2016-12-09 18:04 <Ubit> yr doing it wrong
2016-12-09 18:04 <jakdaniels> but this *should* be possible in opensim. but I begin to wonder if would be just quicker to make 70 textures each year of OSCC
2016-12-09 18:05 <jakdaniels> and upload them
2016-12-09 18:05 <djphil> hehe ^^
2016-12-09 18:05 <Ubit> why 70 texts?
2016-12-09 18:05 <jakdaniels> we have 70 crowdfunder sponsors....
2016-12-09 18:05 <djphil> 70 crowfunders
2016-12-09 18:05 <jakdaniels> we have a hexagonal board with their name on for each
2016-12-09 18:05 <jakdaniels> each board = 1 texture
2016-12-09 18:06 <Ubit> well ok
2016-12-09 18:06 <Ubit> 1kx1k each of course :p
2016-12-09 18:06 <djphil> 256x256 only ! < 63ko
2016-12-09 18:06 <jakdaniels> so our idea was single notecard... names one per line with | character to make line break, then osDrawText on each linked prim
2016-12-09 18:06 <Ubit> :)
2016-12-09 18:07 <jakdaniels> 70 linked prims on the board
2016-12-09 18:07 <djphil> yes
2016-12-09 18:07 <djphil> that not the major problem
2016-12-09 18:07 <djphil> the first is dynamic texture
2016-12-09 18:08 <djphil> i know sl wiki say dont use too many linked message
2016-12-09 18:08 <jakdaniels> djphil do you also see problem with osGetDrawStringSize is broken too?
2016-12-09 18:08 <djphil> but here, that not the main probelm
2016-12-09 18:08 <djphil> i have no verified jak
2016-12-09 18:08 <Ubit> guess draw is
2016-12-09 18:08 <jakdaniels> linked message work ok if not send too quick
2016-12-09 18:08 <djphil> but you can see in my script, alignement work (and use it)
2016-12-09 18:08 <jakdaniels> too many too quickly
2016-12-09 18:09 <djphil> yeah, adree
2016-12-09 18:09 <djphil> agree*
2016-12-09 18:09 <djphil> but 70 listen open is no good too ;)
2016-12-09 18:10 <djphil> sl wiki say 60 by object
2016-12-09 18:10 <djphil> and opensim allow 1000 by region
2016-12-09 18:10 <Ubit> we are not sl
2016-12-09 18:10 <djphil> > openism.ini
2016-12-09 18:10 <Ubit> those limits where done by optimistic ppl :p
2016-12-09 18:10 <djphil> yeah ubit then divise the number by 2 and you have result for opensim ^^
2016-12-09 18:11 <Ubit> sl also says you can put 10000 items on a object inventory lol
2016-12-09 18:11 <djphil> good luck :)
2016-12-09 18:11 <Ubit> petty  who get into trouble with 100 :)
2016-12-09 18:12 <Ubit> well slow at least
2016-12-09 19:55 <osmantis> Bug #8083:04 The new string-parameter: "region_object_bonus" for  llGetEnv(string name); 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8083 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-09 19:55 <osmantis> Bug #8083:04 The new string-parameter: "region_object_bonus" for  llGetEnv(string name); 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8083 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-12-09 20:59 <osmantis> Bug #8083:04 The new string-parameter: "region_object_bonus" for  llGetEnv(string name); 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8083 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-09 20:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #5179 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-09 21:03 <osmantis> Bug #8064:04 [Materials] exception processing received material 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8064 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-09 21:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5179: SUCCESS in 5 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5179/
2016-12-09 21:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: The new string-parameter: "region_object_bonus" for llGetEnv(string name);
2016-12-09 21:11 <osmantis> Bug #8084:04 [SCRIPT ENGINE] All material constants no implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8084 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-12-09 22:10 <osmantis> Bug #8084:04 [SCRIPT ENGINE] All material constants no implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8084 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006824.
2016-12-09 22:10 <osmantis> Bug #6824:04 script method to get/set materials textures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6824 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008084.
2016-12-09 22:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #5180 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-09 23:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5180: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5180/
2016-12-09 23:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid a null ref
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2016-12-10 01:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #5181 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-10 01:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5181: SUCCESS in 5 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5181/
2016-12-10 01:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: HG regions URI need to include also the default ports for compatibility
2016-12-10 02:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #5182 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-10 02:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5182: SUCCESS in 5 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5182/
2016-12-10 02:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do not try xbakes on HG
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2016-12-10 13:21 <osmantis> Bug #8085:04 PGSQL - missing support for OBJECT_REZZER_KEY in commit 7c566d 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8085 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-10 13:22 <osmantis> Bug #8085:04 PGSQL - missing support for OBJECT_REZZER_KEY in commit 7c566d 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8085 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-12-10 14:45 <osmantis> Bug #8083:04 The new string-parameter: "region_object_bonus" for  llGetEnv(string name); 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8083 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-10 14:45 <osmantis> Bug #8083:04 The new string-parameter: "region_object_bonus" for  llGetEnv(string name); 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8083 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-12-10 17:31 <osmantis> Bug #8086:04 osTeleportAgent(avatar, <128.0,128.0,1001.0>, < 0.0,0.0,0.0>) ; 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8086 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-10 17:36 <osmantis> Bug #8086:04 osTeleportAgent(avatar, <128.0,128.0,1001.0>, < 0.0,0.0,0.0>) ; 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8086 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-10 17:45 <osmantis> Bug #8086:04 osTeleportAgent(avatar, <128.0,128.0,1001.0>, < 0.0,0.0,0.0>) ; 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8086 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-10 17:45 <osmantis> Bug #8086:04 osTeleportAgent(avatar, <128.0,128.0,1001.0>, < 0.0,0.0,0.0>) ; 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8086 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2016-12-10 17:51 <osmantis> Bug #8086:04 osTeleportAgent(avatar, <128.0,128.0,1001.0>, < 0.0,0.0,0.0>) ; 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8086 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-10 18:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #5183 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-10 18:05 <osmantis> Bug #8086:04 osTeleportAgent(avatar, <128.0,128.0,1001.0>, < 0.0,0.0,0.0>) ; 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8086 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-10 18:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5183: SUCCESS in 6 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5183/
2016-12-10 18:10 <osjenkins> Alicia Raven: Make it more unlikely that a script teleport will be caught by default region landing point.
2016-12-10 18:29 <djphil> Which value is sensitive return OBJECT_GROUP_TAG?
2016-12-10 18:29 <djphil> I noticed here that it returns nothing, empty string.
2016-12-10 18:29 <djphil> is supposed*
2016-12-10 18:32 <djphil> The constant OBJECT_GROUP_TAG is only for avatars ?
2016-12-10 18:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #5184 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-10 18:38 <Ubit> so you did forgot the password :p
2016-12-10 18:39 <Melanie_T> :P
2016-12-10 18:39 <Melanie_T> in a container that contains both mysql and opensim, passwords make no sense
2016-12-10 18:39 <Melanie_T> not accessible from outside
2016-12-10 18:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5184: SUCCESS in 5 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5184/
2016-12-10 18:42 <osjenkins> melanie: Fix OpenSim bombing when a MySQL connection string doesn't contain a password.
2016-12-10 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #8087:04 Setting precise date of creation in NPC's profile. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8087 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-10 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #8087:04 Setting precise date of creation in NPC's profile. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8087 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-12-10 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #8087:04 Setting precise date of creation in NPC's profile. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8087 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-12-10 22:46 <osmantis> Bug #8087:04 Setting precise date of creation in NPC's profile. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8087 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-10 22:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #5185 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-10 22:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5185: SUCCESS in 6 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5185/
2016-12-10 22:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Setting precise date of creation in NPC's profile.
2016-12-10 23:06 <osmantis> Bug #8087:04 Setting precise date of creation in NPC's profile. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8087 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-12-11 04:48 <osmantis> Bug #8088:04 SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] improvement for osGetMapTexture & osGetRegionMapTexture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8088 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-12-11 04:48 <osmantis> Bug #8088:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] improvement for osGetMapTexture & osGetRegionMapTexture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8088 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
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2016-12-11 14:47 <osmantis> Bug #8088:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] improvement for osGetMapTexture & osGetRegionMapTexture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8088 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-11 15:27 <osmantis> Bug #8087:04 Setting precise date of creation in NPC's profile. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8087 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-12-11 19:00 <osmantis> Bug #8089:04 New OSSL function: osNpcSetCharterMember(LSL_Key npc, string  charter); 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8089 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-11 19:00 <osmantis> Bug #8089:04 New OSSL function: osNpcSetCharterMember(LSL_Key npc, string  charter); 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8089 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-12-11 20:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #5186 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-11 20:53 <Ubit> not sure external address should even be on regions,ini now
2016-12-11 20:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5186: SUCCESS in 6 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5186/
2016-12-11 20:58 <osjenkins> melanie: If a region address is resolveable to a single address, resolve it on
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2016-12-12 00:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #5187 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-12 00:09 <Ubit> hmm
2016-12-12 00:09 <Melanie_T> the thread start may need to be skipped on windows
2016-12-12 00:10 <Melanie_T> but this allows opensim to respond to SIGTERM (systemd) stop requests in an orderly fashion
2016-12-12 00:11 <Ubit> yeah but those are a lot unix things
2016-12-12 00:11 <Melanie_T> yes, should be ignored on windows
2016-12-12 00:11 <Melanie_T> but needed on linux
2016-12-12 00:11 <Ubit> ok ill look
2016-12-12 00:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5187: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5187/
2016-12-12 00:12 <osjenkins> melanie: Allow OpenSim to respond to Unix signals. This may need work to be
2016-12-12 00:20 <Ubit> and macs?
2016-12-12 00:20 <Ubit> you have idea if they will like that ?
2016-12-12 00:20 <Melanie_T> the Mono.Posix lib works on mac and linux
2016-12-12 00:21 <Melanie_T> only windows is not posix
2016-12-12 00:21 <Ubit> ok
2016-12-12 00:21 <Melanie_T> mac is BSD 
2016-12-12 00:21 <Ubit> BUMMM
2016-12-12 00:21 <Ubit> lol
2016-12-12 00:22 <Melanie_T> bsd is posix
2016-12-12 00:22 <Ubit> i mean  compiled run and BUMM
2016-12-12 00:22 <Ubit> :)
2016-12-12 00:23 <Melanie_T> there has to be a platform check
2016-12-12 00:23 <Ubit> yeap
2016-12-12 00:23 <Melanie_T> the thread should not be started on windows
2016-12-12 00:23 <Melanie_T> allocating the objects should be fine
2016-12-12 00:23 <Melanie_T> just don't start the thread
2016-12-12 00:24 <Ubit> no
2016-12-12 00:24 <Ubit>  private static Mono.Unix.UnixSignal[] signals = new Mono.Unix.UnixSignal[] 
2016-12-12 00:24 <Ubit> crashed
2016-12-12 00:26 <Melanie_T> we could always drop the windows platform :P
2016-12-12 00:26 <Ubit> 
ACTION pushs mels nose

2016-12-12 00:26 <Ubit> :)
2016-12-12 00:27 <Melanie_T> in a world without walls and fences, who needs Gates and Windows?
2016-12-12 00:34 <Ubit> damm u broke ssl
2016-12-12 00:34 <Ubit> no ideia how
2016-12-12 00:34 <Ubit> on the other commit
2016-12-12 00:35 <Ubit> hmm
2016-12-12 00:35 <Melanie_T> the other commit doesn't touch ssl
2016-12-12 00:36 <Ubit> may inderectly
2016-12-12 00:36 <Melanie_T> nope
2016-12-12 00:36 <Melanie_T> just a dns lookup
2016-12-12 00:37 <Ubit> but it did
2016-12-12 00:37 <Melanie_T> i can't see how
2016-12-12 00:38 <Ubit> strange.. 2 regions on first i get  dnsname
2016-12-12 00:38 <Melanie_T> all it does is dns-resolve the region host name
2016-12-12 00:38 <Melanie_T> if possible and unique
2016-12-12 00:38 <Ubit> on second for same setting i get ip
2016-12-12 00:38 <Ubit> and my cert is for the name not ip
2016-12-12 00:39 <Melanie_T> ExternalHostName was NEVER meant to be a name
2016-12-12 00:39 <Melanie_T> it was designed to be an IP
2016-12-12 00:39 <Ubit> look what you typed :p
2016-12-12 00:39 <Melanie_T> it allowing names at all is a bug
2016-12-12 00:39 <Ubit> it is a HOST name
2016-12-12 00:40 <Melanie_T> Name -- IP in old style internet parlance
2016-12-12 00:40 <Melanie_T> i know because i was core when that code was wrotten
2016-12-12 00:40 <Melanie_T> it is meant to be an IP
2016-12-12 00:40 <Ubit> worng
2016-12-12 00:40 <Melanie_T> not wrong
2016-12-12 00:40 <Ubit> needs to be a name  for dynamic dns
2016-12-12 00:40 <Melanie_T> it was meant ot be an IP. that is historical fact
2016-12-12 00:40 <Ubit> well gone in winds of history
2016-12-12 00:41 <Melanie_T> there has to be a way to make it be an IP
2016-12-12 00:41 <Ubit> or we loose ppl witg dynamic ips
2016-12-12 00:41 <Melanie_T> because in a docker container environment names DO NOT WORK
2016-12-12 00:41 <Ubit> well  it needs to be a NAME
2016-12-12 00:41 <Melanie_T> so maybe an additional flag is needed but startup-time resolving MUST be possible
2016-12-12 00:42 <Melanie_T> it can't be a NAME
2016-12-12 00:42 <Ubit> it must
2016-12-12 00:42 <Melanie_T> because docker containers DO NOT HAVE ONE!
2016-12-12 00:42 <Melanie_T> i understand the issue
2016-12-12 00:42 <Ubit> ok then tell how dinamic dns regions work ?
2016-12-12 00:42 <Melanie_T> and i will find a solution
2016-12-12 00:42 <Melanie_T> but fact remains
2016-12-12 00:43 <Melanie_T> docker containers don't have external host NAMES
2016-12-12 00:43 <Ubit> ok i leave it to you then
2016-12-12 00:43 <Ubit> ok in that case it may be ip
2016-12-12 00:43 <Ubit> ssl cert will match it
2016-12-12 00:44 <Melanie_T> nope
2016-12-12 00:44 <Ubit> just it name needs to be preserved if present
2016-12-12 00:44 <Melanie_T> it will fail
2016-12-12 00:44 <Melanie_T> i need to do a double reverse
2016-12-12 00:44 <Melanie_T> try to see if the name resolves to a SINGLE ip
2016-12-12 00:44 <Melanie_T> then see if the ip resolves to a SINGLE name
2016-12-12 00:44 <Melanie_T> and use that in place of the original name 
2016-12-12 00:45 <Melanie_T> see 
2016-12-12 00:45 <Melanie_T> in a container, you get "host" to resolve to the host's IP
2016-12-12 00:45 <Ubit> many isps do not do reverse on dynamic names i fear
2016-12-12 00:45 <Melanie_T> so you'd set ExternalHostName=host
2016-12-12 00:45 <Melanie_T> and my patch will resolve it to the IP => works
2016-12-12 00:45 <Melanie_T> BUT
2016-12-12 00:45 <Melanie_T> ssl breaks
2016-12-12 00:46 <Melanie_T> so i will add a second resolution step
2016-12-12 00:46 <Melanie_T> to resove the IP to a name
2016-12-12 00:46 <Melanie_T> and replace them ONLY if the given name resolves to a SINGLE ip
2016-12-12 00:46 <Ubit> well for some reason my second region got the IP  as name, not the name on  region.ini
2016-12-12 00:46 <Melanie_T> and that ip resolves to a SINGLE name
2016-12-12 00:46 <Melanie_T> and then use that name
2016-12-12 00:47 <Melanie_T> that means if people want to use containers they need claen DNS
2016-12-12 00:47 <Melanie_T> but anyone who knows enought o set up docker
2016-12-12 00:47 <Melanie_T> knows enough to set up lean DNS
2016-12-12 00:47 <Melanie_T> clean*
2016-12-12 00:50 <Ubit> yeap you are converting it to ip
2016-12-12 00:51 <Ubit> plz review that
2016-12-12 00:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #5188 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-12 00:56 <Ubit> plz check this before.. ssl is low priority
2016-12-12 00:57 <Ubit> ( well passing dynamic ips to grids and hg mb be a issue.. not sure )
2016-12-12 00:58 <Ubit> they do depend on short dns ttl
2016-12-12 01:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5188: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5188/
2016-12-12 01:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: don't do unix signals on windows
2016-12-12 02:27 <Plugh> Mel, you should switch that around to Windows and Gates.
2016-12-12 02:28 <Plugh> Nice saying. :)
2016-12-12 02:28 <Ubit> :)
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2016-12-12 08:44 <osmantis> Bug #8090:04 UnixSignals setup should be more graceful 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8090 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-12 08:48 <osmantis> Bug #8090:04 UnixSignals setup should be more graceful 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8090 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-12 08:50 <osmantis> Bug #8090:04 UnixSignals setup should be more graceful 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8090 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-12-12 08:57 <osmantis> Bug #8091:04 Crash on region initialize 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8091 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-12 09:02 <osmantis> Bug #8091:04 Crash on region initialize 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8091 ): has been set as DUPLICATE OF issue 0008090.
2016-12-12 09:02 <osmantis> Bug #8090:04 UnixSignals setup should be more graceful 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8090 ): The issue 0008091 has been set as DUPLICATE OF the following issue.
2016-12-12 09:22 <osmantis> Bug #8090:04 UnixSignals setup should be more graceful 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8090 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-12 09:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #5189 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-12 09:30 <osmantis> Bug #8091:04 Crash on region initialize 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8091 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-12-12 09:31 <osmantis> Bug #8090:04 UnixSignals setup should be more graceful 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8090 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-12-12 09:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5189: SUCCESS in 6 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5189/
2016-12-12 09:32 <osjenkins> melanie: Applying a modified version of TomTheDragon's patch to prevent the sim
2016-12-12 10:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #5190 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-12 10:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5190: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5190/
2016-12-12 10:18 <osjenkins> * melanie: Make resolving the IP on startup optional.
2016-12-12 10:19 <osjenkins> * melanie: Only ask for the new parameter when starting from scratch.
2016-12-12 10:57 <osmantis> Bug #8089:04 New OSSL function: osNpcSetCharterMember(LSL_Key npc, string  charter); 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8089 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-12 11:02 <osmantis> Bug #8089:04 New OSSL function: osNpcSetCharterMember(LSL_Key npc, string  charter); 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8089 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-12 11:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #5191 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-12 11:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5191: SUCCESS in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5191/
2016-12-12 11:15 <osjenkins> melanie: Rename charterMember to membershipType to show what it actually is.
2016-12-12 11:40 <Ubit> i really should work on the git repo... xii so many files to copy :)
2016-12-12 11:48 <Ubit> grrr how can i tp on osgrid to my region if im running it on a test grid 
2016-12-12 11:49 <Ubit> hmm possible all lms should be HG ones
2016-12-12 11:52 <Ubit> at least if there is a defined gatekeeper of course
2016-12-12 11:59 <Ubit> hmm odd why doesn't if happen already? hmmm
2016-12-12 12:05 <Ubit> ok guess i do have old lms
2016-12-12 16:52 <osmantis> Bug #8089:04 New OSSL function: osNpcSetCharterMember(LSL_Key npc, string  charter); 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8089 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-12 17:55 <Ubit> hmm?
2016-12-12 17:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #5192 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-12 18:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5192: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5192/
2016-12-12 18:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubOde simple spheres and boxes with type convex have no holes on physics(long forgotten fix)
2016-12-12 19:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #5193 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-12 19:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5193: SUCCESS in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5193/
2016-12-12 19:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubOde other convex type objects other than mesh and sculpt also don't have holes
2016-12-12 20:39 <osmantis> Bug #7907:04 Large-primcount items create long delay in right-click editing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7907 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-12-13 00:52 <osmantis> Bug #7907:04 Large-primcount items create long delay in right-click editing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7907 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-13 05:49 <osmantis> Bug #8068:04 [physics] Boats stop moving forward after sim crossing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8068 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-13 15:15 <osmantis> Bug #8089:04 New OSSL function: osNpcSetCharterMember(LSL_Key npc, string  charter); 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8089 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-12-13 16:32 <osmantis> Bug #8068:04 [physics] Boats stop moving forward after sim crossing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8068 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-13 16:49 <osmantis> Bug #7907:04 Large-primcount items create long delay in right-click editing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7907 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-13 17:48 <osmantis> Bug #7907:04 Large-primcount items create long delay in right-click editing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7907 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-13 18:57 <Plugh> Meeting in osgrid coming up.
2016-12-13 19:00 <osmantis> Bug #7907:04 Large-primcount items create long delay in right-click editing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7907 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-13 19:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #5194 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-13 19:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5194: SUCCESS in 6 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5194/
2016-12-13 19:55 <osjenkins> * melanie: Make sure sims on Linux can be restarted without waiting on a 2 mintue socket timeout
2016-12-13 19:55 <osjenkins> * melanie: Remove the AllowAlternatePorts option. It wasn't implemented anyway.
2016-12-13 20:30 <osmantis> Bug #8068:04 [physics] Boats stop moving forward after sim crossing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8068 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-13 21:04 <osmantis> Bug #7907:04 Large-primcount items create long delay in right-click editing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7907 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-13 21:29 <osmantis> Bug #8068:04 [physics] Boats stop moving forward after sim crossing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8068 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-13 22:33 <osmantis> Bug #7907:04 Large-primcount items create long delay in right-click editing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7907 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-13 23:01 <osmantis> Bug #8068:04 [physics] Boats stop moving forward after sim crossing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8068 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-12-13 23:34 <osmantis> Bug #8068:04 [physics] Boats stop moving forward after sim crossing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8068 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-14 00:20 <osmantis> Bug #8092:04 New OSSL function: osNpcSetProfileImage(LSL_Key npc, string  image); 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8092 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-14 00:20 <osmantis> Bug #8092:04 New OSSL function: osNpcSetProfileImage(LSL_Key npc, string  image); 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8092 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-12-14 00:21 <Ubit> mannndaaaarikka
2016-12-14 00:21 <Ubit> i don't like NPCs :p
2016-12-14 00:23 <osmantis> Bug #8092:04 New OSSL function: osNpcSetProfileImage(LSL_Key npc, string  image); 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8092 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-14 00:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #5195 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-14 00:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5195: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5195/
2016-12-14 00:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: New OSSL function: osNpcSetProfileImage(LSL_Key npc, string image); This patch gives possibility to set image in created NPC's profile. You can use UUID of the texture or name of texture included in prim's inventory.
2016-12-14 00:42 <osmantis> Bug #8092:04 New OSSL function: osNpcSetProfileImage(LSL_Key npc, string  image); 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8092 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-14 00:43 <osmantis> Bug #8092:04 New OSSL function: osNpcSetProfileImage(LSL_Key npc, string  image); 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8092 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-14 00:51 <osmantis> Bug #8092:04 New OSSL function: osNpcSetProfileImage(LSL_Key npc, string  image); 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8092 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-14 00:59 <osmantis> Bug #8092:04 New OSSL function: osNpcSetProfileImage(LSL_Key npc, string  image); 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8092 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-14 01:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #5196 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-14 01:02 <osmantis> Bug #8092:04 New OSSL function: osNpcSetProfileImage(LSL_Key npc, string  image); 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8092 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-12-14 01:03 <Ubit> oops
2016-12-14 01:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5196: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5196/
2016-12-14 01:06 <osjenkins> melanie: Fox threat level line on SetProfileImage. It is ALWAYS the name of the function!
2016-12-14 01:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #5197 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-14 01:16 <Ubit> ( hihihih )
2016-12-14 01:20 <Ubit> damm chekc ?  
2016-12-14 01:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5197: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5197/
2016-12-14 01:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  also fox chekc threat level on osNpcSetProfileAbout
2016-12-14 01:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #5198 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-14 01:33 <Ubit> Mandarinka_T no more npc code!!!
2016-12-14 01:33 <Ubit> lol
2016-12-14 01:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5198: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5198/
2016-12-14 01:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  also reduce check threat level of osNpcSetProfileAbout to Low; update osslEnable.ini
2016-12-14 01:40 <Ubit> 
ACTION kicks danbanner

2016-12-14 01:41 <Ubit> dan what phys engine is running on sandbox plaza ?
2016-12-14 01:41 <danbanner> 
ACTION grabs ubit's foot and flips him on his head

2016-12-14 01:41 <Ubit> 
ACTION flips in air and lands like a ninja cat

2016-12-14 01:42 <danbanner> physics = OpenDynamicsEngine
2016-12-14 01:42 <danbanner> II is bullet
2016-12-14 01:42 <Ubit> then why those it say ubODE
2016-12-14 01:42 <danbanner> III is ubode
2016-12-14 01:42 <danbanner> oh lol did i forget to change that?
2016-12-14 01:42 <Ubit> ..does..
2016-12-14 01:43 <Ubit> yeah and i was lokking all over code to see why vehicles hover was broken ;:p
2016-12-14 01:43 <danbanner> lol
2016-12-14 01:43 <danbanner> orry
2016-12-14 01:43 <danbanner> i'll fix that
2016-12-14 01:43 <Ubit> btw having old ode next to bullet mb not that nice
2016-12-14 01:43 <Ubit> things don't cross that well
2016-12-14 03:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #5199 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-14 03:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5199: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5199/
2016-12-14 03:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  avoid a null ref
2016-12-14 03:56 -!- Mandarinka_T(~androirc@abmj143.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) has left #opensim-dev
2016-12-14 04:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #5200 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-14 04:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5200: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5200/
2016-12-14 04:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix: check for region_handle before region_id, viewers are so funny..
2016-12-14 12:32 <Mandarinka_T> Moja lokacja: Wrocław, Polska
2016-12-14 12:32 <Mandarinka_T> Moja lokacja: Wrocław, Polska
2016-12-14 13:36 <Ubit> FLOOD
2016-12-14 14:30 <Ubit> poor FS team.. can't keep servers up, flooded by own sucess
2016-12-14 14:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #5201 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-14 14:49 <Mandarinka_Tasty> Nice commit :)
2016-12-14 14:50 <Ubit> :)
2016-12-14 14:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5201: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5201/
2016-12-14 14:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: show online on profile, if target is in same region.( possible should be done elsewhere)
2016-12-14 15:01 <JeffKelley> ping Ubit
2016-12-14 15:03 <Ubit> pong
2016-12-14 15:03 <JeffKelley> do you think it's a good time to commit osDie #7911 ?
2016-12-14 15:04 <Ubit> still not sure i like it :)
2016-12-14 15:06 <JeffKelley> not secure enough ?
2016-12-14 15:06 <Ubit> the examples you gave about other ossl things.. well those are also questionable
2016-12-14 15:06 <osmantis> Bug #6688:04 suggestion for improved osAttach* and osForceAttach* functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6688 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-14 15:06 <Ubit> just of course already there..
2016-12-14 15:08 <JeffKelley> is there something I can do for you to like it ?
2016-12-14 15:08 <Ubit> why DeleteObject(UUID objUUID) aside?
2016-12-14 15:09 <Ubit> needed elsewhere?
2016-12-14 15:09 <Ubit> well minor thing
2016-12-14 15:10 <Ubit> yr use case is rezzer boxes and alike?
2016-12-14 15:10 <JeffKelley> why it would be needed? in cases you rez a lot of objects by script and you want to clean up
2016-12-14 15:11 <Ubit> ( my question was why a funtion and not code inside the main one )
2016-12-14 15:12 <JeffKelley> the main one ?
2016-12-14 15:13 <Ubit> grrr yes why not inside osDie if as no use elsewhere
2016-12-14 15:14 <Ubit> ok merging it to see it better
2016-12-14 15:16 <Ubit> so your use case is rezzer boxes and alike right ?
2016-12-14 15:17 <JeffKelley> somehow
2016-12-14 15:17 <JeffKelley> you know the uuid of the objects you have rezed and now you want to dispose them
2016-12-14 15:18 <JeffKelley> without uploading a llDie() script
2016-12-14 15:18 <Ubit> well merging the delete on the osdie :p
2016-12-14 15:20 <JeffKelley> oh, looking at the patch I think I understand
2016-12-14 15:20 <JeffKelley> why not inlining DeleteObject inside osDie
2016-12-14 15:21 <JeffKelley> frankly, i don't remember, that was probably to mirror llDie
2016-12-14 15:22 <Ubit> minor thing, if a thing at all :)
2016-12-14 15:22 <Ubit> ok adding this:
2016-12-14 15:22 <Ubit> ...            // restrict to objects rezzed by host
2016-12-14 15:22 <Ubit>             if(sceneOG.RezzerID != m_host.OwnerID)
2016-12-14 15:22 <Ubit>                 return;
2016-12-14 15:23 <osmantis> Bug #6688:04 suggestion for improved osAttach* and osForceAttach* functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6688 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-14 15:23 <Ubit> now i need 2 boxes blabla :p
2016-12-14 15:24 <Ubit> you have thinks where is easy to test?
2016-12-14 15:24 <JeffKelley> yes
2016-12-14 15:25 <JeffKelley> i commited it on my repo
2016-12-14 15:25 <Ubit> ok ill do a minor test then
2016-12-14 15:26 <Ubit> hmm i did had a rezzer somewhere on my sim hmm
2016-12-14 15:28 <Ubit> hmm damm rezobect could return the uuid no?
2016-12-14 15:29 <JeffKelley> not directly, un object_rez( key id )
2016-12-14 15:29 <JeffKelley> s/un/in/
2016-12-14 15:29 <Ubit> hmm =
2016-12-14 15:29 <Ubit> ?
2016-12-14 15:29 <JeffKelley> first you call llRez then it triggers object_rez
2016-12-14 15:30 <Ubit> grrr
2016-12-14 15:31 <Ubit> ok it is async
2016-12-14 15:31 <JeffKelley> yep
2016-12-14 15:36 <Ubit> dahhhh
2016-12-14 15:37 <Ubit> im so silly
2016-12-14 15:38 <Ubit> you you also missed my mistake :P
2016-12-14 15:38 <Ubit> if(sceneOG.RezzerID != m_host.OwnerID)  daaahhhh
2016-12-14 15:39 <JeffKelley> pretty sure i've copied this code from llDie
2016-12-14 15:40 <Ubit> that was my code :p
2016-12-14 15:40 <JeffKelley> code is such an haystack when you don't use an IDE ;(
2016-12-14 15:40 <Ubit> did c&p and only fixed half the line ;)
2016-12-14 15:41 <Ubit> dont like also the name
2016-12-14 15:41 <Ubit> Die is kinda a selfthing no ?
2016-12-14 15:42 <JeffKelley> kill ?
2016-12-14 15:47 <Mandarinka_Tasty> OsDieOther
2016-12-14 15:48 <JeffKelley> ok, i remember now, that was modeled on osMessageObject which calls MessageObject
2016-12-14 16:04 <Ubit> hw do we get prim group ID ? lol
2016-12-14 16:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #5202 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-14 16:09 <Ubit> ok pls take a look and check
2016-12-14 16:09 <Ubit> plz
2016-12-14 16:09 <JeffKelley> pulling
2016-12-14 16:10 <Ubit> assuming jenkins likes it :)
2016-12-14 16:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5202: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5202/
2016-12-14 16:13 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Add osDie(key)
2016-12-14 16:13 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: restrict osDie to objects rezzed by the script object group and a few more changes
2016-12-14 16:13 <Ubit> ok coffe break.. brb
2016-12-14 16:14 <JeffKelley> this should be 553b326 ; ok, i'm in
2016-12-14 16:25 <JeffKelley> it works, testing more...
2016-12-14 16:26 <Ubit> good but ive a bug
2016-12-14 16:26 <JeffKelley> which one ?
2016-12-14 16:27 <Ubit> uuid.zero case
2016-12-14 16:27 <JeffKelley> osDie (NULL_KEY) ?
2016-12-14 16:29 <Ubit> yeap
2016-12-14 16:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #5203 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-14 16:36 <JeffKelley> now testing 3056926
2016-12-14 16:36 <Ubit> thx
2016-12-14 16:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5203: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5203/
2016-12-14 16:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: dont self osDie attachments
2016-12-14 16:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #5204 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-14 16:38 <JeffKelley> osDie (NULL_KEY) still deletes container
2016-12-14 16:39 <Ubit> yes change was to forbid in case of attachment, like llDie does
2016-12-14 16:41 <osmantis> Bug #7911:04 OSSL proposal : osDie(LSL_Key) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7911 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-14 16:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5204: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5204/
2016-12-14 16:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  update osslEnable.ini
2016-12-14 16:44 <JeffKelley> " only allow on objects rezzed by the script prim Group " = only scripts in the rezer can derez the object ?
2016-12-14 16:44 <Ubit> yes
2016-12-14 16:44 <JeffKelley> seems a good restriction to me
2016-12-14 16:45 <Ubit> that was my main change rest was cosmetic :)
2016-12-14 16:45 <JeffKelley> thanks a lot, Ubit
2016-12-14 16:45 <Ubit> thx for the patch :)
2016-12-14 16:46 <JeffKelley> will 0.9 be ready for xmas ?
2016-12-14 16:46 <Ubit> i would not bet on that :(
2016-12-14 16:46 <Ubit> well and opensim is never done :)
2016-12-14 16:47 <Ubit> but a  a release of this new bugs would be nice yes
2016-12-14 16:48 <JeffKelley> i'm comparing bullet with obode
2016-12-14 16:48 <Ubit> till then onlu for ppl that can compile it or use osgrid bins
2016-12-14 16:48 <Mandarinka_T> You wanted to say: release concerning fixes of those bugs :)
2016-12-14 16:48 <Ubit> oh i didn't said that? :P
2016-12-14 16:49 <Mandarinka_T> :)
2016-12-14 16:49 <JeffKelley> with bullet, when you launch, well, a bullet, it follows one of two different pathes
2016-12-14 16:49 <JeffKelley> easy to see with particles
2016-12-14 16:49 <JeffKelley> this is not the case in ubode
2016-12-14 16:50 <Ubit> hmm 2 paths ?
2016-12-14 16:50 <JeffKelley> ya
2016-12-14 16:50 <Ubit> why 2 paths ?
2016-12-14 16:50 <JeffKelley> can make a screenshot if you want
2016-12-14 16:50 <Ubit> and ubode ?
2016-12-14 16:50 <JeffKelley> one path, like real physics
2016-12-14 16:51 <Ubit> wel it is not that real, but ok :)
2016-12-14 16:51 <Ubit> we always need to keep in mind this are not physics simulators  but game physics simulators
2016-12-14 16:52 <Ubit> where make believe is acceptable
2016-12-14 16:52 <JeffKelley> http://www.pescadoo.net/tmp/bullet.png
2016-12-14 16:52 <Ubit> diferent initial velocity
2016-12-14 16:52 <JeffKelley> no, same
2016-12-14 16:53 <Ubit> yes but bullet did diferent
2016-12-14 16:53 <Ubit> well assuming both paths are on same plane
2016-12-14 16:53 <JeffKelley> there should not be two solutions to this equation
2016-12-14 16:54 <Ubit> the paths are on same line ?
2016-12-14 16:54 <Ubit> ie path projected on the groud is same line?
2016-12-14 16:54 <JeffKelley> in the same plane
2016-12-14 16:55 <Ubit> ok then it is velocity modulus 
2016-12-14 16:55 <Ubit> no idea why
2016-12-14 16:55 <Ubit> you can mantis if you like for Robert to check on bullet
2016-12-14 16:55 <JeffKelley> http://pastebin.com/KqtQdFeG
2016-12-14 16:56 <Ubit> mandarika
2016-12-14 16:56 <Ubit> err
2016-12-14 16:56 <Ubit> Mandarinka
2016-12-14 16:56 <Ubit> hmm ill call u man 
2016-12-14 16:56 <Ubit> hmm errr hmm better not lol
2016-12-14 16:57 <Mandarinka_T> I'm here
2016-12-14 16:57 <Ubit> see that pic with nice parabolic things ?
2016-12-14 16:57 <Mandarinka_T> I have seen
2016-12-14 16:58 <Mandarinka_T> You wonder why they are different
2016-12-14 16:58 <Ubit> spliting that easy shape into line segments  acordinf to a error whould be funny
2016-12-14 16:58 <Ubit> so that is minimal number of segments
2016-12-14 16:59 <Ubit> ( full vertica is one segment case )
2016-12-14 16:59 <JeffKelley> you get a nice light show for the price :)
2016-12-14 16:59 <Ubit> going up at start is other..  down also..
2016-12-14 17:00 <Ubit> high speed  less segments 
2016-12-14 17:00 <Ubit> very high == 1 segment
2016-12-14 17:00 <Ubit> see the ideia?
2016-12-14 17:00 <Ubit> use case.. balistic "raycast"
2016-12-14 17:02 <Ubit> well adding friction whould be funny  but yeak more complex
2016-12-14 17:02 <Ubit> no longer a pretty y*kx^2
2016-12-14 17:03 <Ubit> err = missing there
2016-12-14 17:03 <Mandarinka_T> If we assume, that movement on both cases is based on identical parametric equations:
2016-12-14 17:03 <Ubit> well case is this guns
2016-12-14 17:04 <Ubit> raycast is only good for laser guns
2016-12-14 17:05 <Ubit> think i can mk ubode do a burst of rays in almost one step
2016-12-14 17:06 <Mandarinka_T> X=vtcosa,  y= vtsina-1/2*gt^2,then differences are result of initial velocity
2016-12-14 17:06 <Ubit> well sequencial but on a simultation timestep
2016-12-14 17:07 <Ubit> i know projectil equations :p
2016-12-14 17:07 <Ubit> just 2 lazy to think on how to segment them in a optimal way :P
2016-12-14 17:09 <Ubit> well it is a idea
2016-12-14 17:09 <Ubit> think using a bullet prim is the best.. leting engine simulation do the job
2016-12-14 17:10 <Ubit> mb i can instead add a ccd sphere to the ode lib
2016-12-14 17:10 <Ubit> pseudo ccd
2016-12-14 17:11 <Ubit> i actuall did it once for the avatar
2016-12-14 17:11 <Ubit> was up at avn for a while
2016-12-14 17:11 <Ubit> but had a few problems and i gave up
2016-12-14 17:12 <Mandarinka_T> What is that ccd ? I don't know this term
2016-12-14 17:12 <Ubit> continous collision detection
2016-12-14 17:12 <Ubit> ( in his context )
2016-12-14 17:12 <Mandarinka_T> I see. Ok
2016-12-14 17:13 <Ubit> can also mean charge coupled device on another :p
2016-12-14 17:13 <AliciaRaven> if inside a camera :P
2016-12-14 17:14 <Ubit> yeap :)
2016-12-14 17:14 <Ubit> until you drop it lol
2016-12-14 17:16 <Ubit> drop becames the other ccd problem that may result on a fragmented ccd 
2016-12-14 17:16 <Ubit> ok i shutup
2016-12-14 17:16 <Mandarinka_T> Saying "segment them", what did you precisely mean ? Segmenting is necessary ?
2016-12-14 17:17 <Ubit> rays don't bend :p
2016-12-14 17:17 <Ubit> that balist thing is split the path on a series of castrays that ubode could do on a a burst
2016-12-14 17:19 <Ubit> ( with early exit if ground hit etc )
2016-12-14 17:19 <Ubit> but well just a idea
2016-12-14 17:20 <Ubit> possible the ccd sphere is easir to do
2016-12-14 17:20 <Mandarinka_T> So in other words, you would like to search the way of best approximation of movement of those series ?
2016-12-14 17:20 <Ubit> yeap
2016-12-14 17:21 <Plugh> Jeff, why is c1 commented out when it is being used in that code?
2016-12-14 17:21 <Ubit> c1 ?
2016-12-14 17:22 <JeffKelley> c1 ?
2016-12-14 17:22 <Plugh> Line 2 of the http://pastebin.com/KqtQdFeG pastebin
2016-12-14 17:23 <Ubit> bc it is the input parameter
2016-12-14 17:23 <Plugh> ah, right. 
2016-12-14 17:23 <Plugh> Is this C# code? I wonder why use multiple if statements instead of a switch.
2016-12-14 17:23 <Ubit> man it is a script lol
2016-12-14 17:24 <JeffKelley> this is LSL
2016-12-14 17:24 <Plugh> ok. 
2016-12-14 17:24 <Ubit> its the script he used on the bullets test
2016-12-14 17:24 <Ubit> with particles on path
2016-12-14 17:24 <Ubit> see the pic above
2016-12-14 17:24 <JeffKelley> of changing color
2016-12-14 17:24 <Plugh> I had someone ask the other day about whether switch statements could be used in scripts. I don't know why LL never included switch.
2016-12-14 17:25 <JeffKelley> there are so many things that could (should) have been included
2016-12-14 17:25 <Ubit> bc lsl was done with a simple interperter
2016-12-14 17:25 <AliciaRaven> lsl is designed to be short and simple, switch isnt needed when u can use ifs
2016-12-14 17:25 <Ubit> reason why it has issues  not beeing a proper language
2016-12-14 17:26 <JeffKelley> the lack of arrays is a great pain
2016-12-14 17:27 <Plugh> I know. We need to (ab)use lists in place of arrays.
2016-12-14 17:28 <JeffKelley> we can use C# however
2016-12-14 17:29 <Ubit> only locally on a close region i hope
2016-12-14 17:30 <Ubit> do not allow c# on other cases
2016-12-14 17:30 <Ubit> script c# i mean
2016-12-14 17:30 <JeffKelley> i have C# on a public region (but nobody knows it) ; yes, c# scripts
2016-12-14 17:30 <Ubit> well close it
2016-12-14 17:30 <Plugh> Exactly. I wouldn't configure a grid to allow use of C# scripts.
2016-12-14 17:32 <nebadon> better off writing region module
2016-12-14 17:33 <JeffKelley> the speed gain is about 2x today, i remember it was much higher when I did my first test
2016-12-14 17:34 <Ubit> gain is mainly on compile stage
2016-12-14 17:34 <nebadon> it can also erase your hard drive twice as fast too :)
2016-12-14 17:34 <Ubit> rest is pretty much identical
2016-12-14 17:34 <Ubit> well you can use arrays swith blabla
2016-12-14 17:35 <Ubit> true lists.. dics..  ok can be faster bc of that
2016-12-14 17:35 <Ubit> a lot :p
2016-12-14 17:50 <misterblue> that's an odd thing BulletSim is doing with the multiple paths... I'll look into that
2016-12-14 17:55 <Ubit> :)
2016-12-14 17:55 <Ubit> sounds like velocity module variation 
2016-12-14 17:57 <misterblue> or trying to adjust to simulation timestep when it shouldn't
2016-12-14 17:58 <misterblue> one reason I suggested special weapon functions -- like you said, this is game engine simulation and not real physics simulation
2016-12-14 19:34 <Plugh> I wonder how Firestorm 5.0 is getting its frames per second numbers. Under 4.7.7 I get about 9.5 while 5.0 gives me 60fps. Either they did some major optimizations or there is a fudge factor being applied to the 5.0 fps number.
2016-12-14 19:37 <Plugh> Hm... started 5.0 again and now the FPS is a bit higher than under 4.7.7 but nowhere near 60.
2016-12-14 19:38 <Plugh> I'm averaging 11 to 12 with peaks up as high as 16.7
2016-12-14 21:24 <osmantis> Bug #8093:04 New OSSL function: osNpcSetProfileWebURL(LSL_Key npc, string  url); 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8093 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-14 21:24 <osmantis> Bug #8093:04 New OSSL function: osNpcSetProfileWebURL(LSL_Key npc, string  url); 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8093 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-12-14 21:31 <osmantis> Bug #6911:04 [SCRIPT] Problem with special chars on text over prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6911 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-12-14 21:40 <Mandarinka_T> Djphil, why you were using integer 256 instead of  1024 ?
2016-12-14 21:42 <Ubit> Mandarinka_T  grrrr
2016-12-14 21:43 <Ubit> i asked no more npcs 
2016-12-14 21:43 <Ubit> :p
2016-12-14 21:43 <Mandarinka_T> Npc love you :p
2016-12-14 21:43 <Ubit> but i don't love them :p
2016-12-14 21:43 <Mandarinka_T> Well, that happens
2016-12-14 21:44 <Ubit> and plugh is tring to update openprofiles for osg 
2016-12-14 21:45 <Ubit> damm i can't forget my avatar at lbsa
2016-12-14 21:45 <Ubit> find it "decorated" :)
2016-12-14 21:48 <Ubit> didn't fix those hearts months ago ?
2016-12-14 21:48 <Ubit> a year ago actuall  for a txt xmas tree?
2016-12-14 21:49 <Mandarinka_T> he wanted to use them after restart, so for what 256 ?
2016-12-14 21:50 <Mandarinka_T> I assume, his linkset doesn't cross regions :)
2016-12-14 21:50 <Ubit> sounds like myqls utf8 issue
2016-12-14 21:51 <Ubit> and mysql utf8 issue
2016-12-14 21:53 <Ubit> hmm who uses profile web anyway ?
2016-12-14 21:53 <Ubit> hmm and do we want to expose users to unknown web sites?
2016-12-14 21:54 <Mandarinka_T> Yes
2016-12-14 21:54 <Ubit> you mean no sure :p
2016-12-14 21:54 <Mandarinka_T> You can put it in your profile too
2016-12-14 21:54 <Mandarinka_T> So how I can prevent it?
2016-12-14 21:54 <Mandarinka_T> No way
2016-12-14 21:55 <Ubit> from what i see i can put content for a web page
2016-12-14 21:55 <djphil> i have used constant number because constant was not implemented at that time ... but ok I'm wrong it's not 256 but it's 1024, not serious, the problem is located elsewhere ^^
2016-12-14 21:55 <Mandarinka_T> residents want to use bots as advertisements tool
2016-12-14 21:56 <Ubit> The patch gives possibility to set url to any webpage in created NPC's profile.
2016-12-14 21:56 <Mandarinka_T> Ok Phil
2016-12-14 21:56 <djphil> yeah maybee a utf8 storage issue ...
2016-12-14 21:56 <Ubit> hmm hmm nahh
2016-12-14 21:56 <Ubit> ( i mean the web page )
2016-12-14 21:56 <Mandarinka_T> Yes ubit , your profile also gives and mine
2016-12-14 21:57 <Ubit> i don't see that on fs.. only content
2016-12-14 21:57 <Mandarinka_T> We understand each other ? :)
2016-12-14 21:58 <Mandarinka_T> Example: you create your Npc and add links to your YouTube or your website
2016-12-14 21:58 <Ubit> that this patch is going to stay on freeze for a while.. yeap :P
2016-12-14 21:59 <djphil> I have one with NPC too :) > 7972 http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7972
2016-12-14 21:59 <Ubit> yeap ppl and npcs
2016-12-14 21:59 <Mandarinka_T> Ubit, let residents decide what they want to open
2016-12-14 22:00 <Ubit> ohh yeah the "force" things
2016-12-14 22:00 <djphil> yeah :)
2016-12-14 22:00 <Ubit> it is not residents it is scripters.. not the same thing
2016-12-14 22:00 <Ubit> and the http things are a concern already
2016-12-14 22:01 <Mandarinka_T> imagine, I set link to any web in my profile tab Web, how you can prevent what I set ?
2016-12-14 22:02 <Mandarinka_T> In same way, let resident set whatever he or she wants in her his Npc profile
2016-12-14 22:03 <Mandarinka_T> I think it's logical :)
2016-12-14 22:09 <Ubit> oh i also updated osslenable this time :p
2016-12-14 22:14 <JeffKelley> djphil : it works for me
2016-12-14 22:26 <osmantis> Bug #7972:04 [NPC FEATURE REQUEST] osForceAttachToOtherAvatarFromInventory does not support NPC 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7972 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-14 22:26 <osmantis> Bug #7214:04 [SCRIPT] PRIM_MEDIA_AUTO_PLAY TRUE does not work with llSetLinkMedia 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7214 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-12-14 22:28 <Ubit> ooh crap  hold was not on thar mantis lol
2016-12-14 22:29 <osmantis> Bug #8093:04 New OSSL function: osNpcSetProfileWebURL(LSL_Key npc, string  url); 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8093 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-14 22:29 <djphil> Plugh, Hi :) Have you been able to do something for the Email module to work properly for Windows OpenSim users
2016-12-14 22:29 <Plugh> djphil: Not yet. It is still on my todo list
2016-12-14 22:29 <djphil> Ok, cool, great :)
2016-12-14 22:29 <Ubit> ohh i can delete notes  nice :)
2016-12-14 22:30 <djphil> @Plugh : i hope you can do something :)
2016-12-14 22:30 <osmantis> Bug #6911:04 [SCRIPT] Problem with special chars on text over prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6911 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-14 22:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #5205 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-14 22:35 <osmantis> Bug #8093:04 New OSSL function: osNpcSetProfileWebURL(LSL_Key npc, string  url); 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8093 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-14 22:35 <osmantis> Bug #6911:04 [SCRIPT] Problem with special chars on text over prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6911 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-12-14 22:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5205: SUCCESS in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5205/
2016-12-14 22:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  correct the new npc entries in  osslEnable.ini
2016-12-14 22:42 <osmantis> Bug #6911:04 [SCRIPT] Problem with special chars on text over prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6911 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-14 22:44 <osmantis> Bug #7213:04 [SCRIPT] llPassTouches (TRUE / FALSE) does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7213 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-12-14 22:47 <Plugh> hehe... I like how we have bilingual bug reports. :)
2016-12-14 22:48 <osmantis> Bug #7213:04 [SCRIPT] llPassTouches (TRUE / FALSE) does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7213 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-14 22:49 <osmantis> Bug #6497:04 llRequestPermissions for PERMISSION_TELEPORT return a error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6497 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2016-12-14 22:49 <osmantis> Bug #6497:04 llRequestPermissions for PERMISSION_TELEPORT return a error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6497 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
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2016-12-14 23:10 <osmantis> Bug #7825:04 Problem with some fonts using dynamic texture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7825 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-12-14 23:13 <osmantis> Bug #6368:04 llCollisionSprite not  implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6368 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-12-14 23:17 <osmantis> Bug #6368:04 llCollisionSprite not  implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6368 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-14 23:17 <Ubit> djphil sl droped sprites i think
2016-12-14 23:18 <Plugh> llCollisionSprite is marked as "Broken and may not work" in the list of LSL functions.
2016-12-14 23:20 <djphil> why Plugh ?
2016-12-14 23:20 <Plugh> Don't ask me. Ask LL
2016-12-14 23:21 <djphil> lol oki :)
2016-12-14 23:21 <djphil> i'm testing Collision Filter ... he is broken too
2016-12-14 23:21 <djphil> just tested now
2016-12-14 23:21 <Plugh> ok
2016-12-14 23:21 <djphil> need a mantis ?
2016-12-14 23:21 <Ubit> guess sprites where a graphics primitive they dropped adding particles
2016-12-14 23:22 <Ubit> djphil  rtfm first.. those things are confusing
2016-12-14 23:22 <Plugh> Going through part of the git master log file I found 5 os functions not listed in the OSSL wiki page. 4 still need to have some basic info added about them.
2016-12-14 23:22 <djphil> rtfm ?
2016-12-14 23:23 <Ubit> read manual :p
2016-12-14 23:23 <Plugh> Read The Fine Manual. :)
2016-12-14 23:23 <Ubit> 
ACTION not telling the "tf" meaning :p

2016-12-14 23:23 <Ubit> well thats a soft version ye
2016-12-14 23:23 <Plugh> yea, I'm showing the less common version of the F in rtfm. :)
2016-12-14 23:24 <Ubit> :)
2016-12-14 23:26 <djphil> I see collision filter on false prevents trigger collision start ... but I find that its collsion is kept what seems illogical
2016-12-14 23:27 <djphil> "collision sounds 01 is kept01" *
2016-12-14 23:28 <Ubit> "Sets the collision filter, exclusively or inclusively." is already a nice description
2016-12-14 23:28 <Ubit> ohh old wiki is gone?
2016-12-14 23:29 <djphil> In this case, difficult to say if this is expected and correct functioning or not
2016-12-14 23:29 <djphil> yeah, :s offline
2016-12-14 23:29 <Ubit> i told u it was confusing
2016-12-14 23:29 <Ubit> and think ll did change this since my last fixes
2016-12-14 23:30 <djphil> It would seem logical that if you use False, then collision sound should be disabled ...
2016-12-14 23:31 <Ubit> see it is nice to rtfm :p
2016-12-14 23:31 <Ubit> even a fm as that wiki
2016-12-14 23:32 <Ubit> yeack i sound almost american..  f word on every sentence
2016-12-14 23:32 <Ubit> :p
2016-12-14 23:32 <Ubit> since yr on it read the passtouchs also
2016-12-14 23:34 <djphil> I read ... but maybe I do not understand correctly ;)
2016-12-14 23:35 <Ubit> also a bit confusing and ll did change that
2016-12-14 23:35 <Ubit> not in the mood of  messiong with that specially with tons of scripts running
2016-12-14 23:35 <djphil> why wait ll change ... :p
2016-12-14 23:35 <Ubit> bc its ll
2016-12-14 23:36 <Ubit> old wiki was cood
2016-12-14 23:36 <Ubit> good
2016-12-14 23:36 <djphil> yes i love it too
2016-12-14 23:36 <Ubit> most things there where as we had them
2016-12-14 23:37 <djphil> "bc is ll" = invalid response ^^
2016-12-14 23:37 <Ubit> well it is the best we have :p
2016-12-14 23:37 <djphil> hehe
2016-12-14 23:38 <Ubit> of course doing that they get into compatibilty issues and push us into them also
2016-12-14 23:39 <djphil> It reminds me of old story between windows / linux / mac users
2016-12-14 23:40 <djphil> Pathfinding coming on OS in 2017?
2016-12-14 23:40 <djphil> Has anyone talked about this during OSCC 2016?
2016-12-14 23:59 <osmantis> Bug #7939:04 [NPC] with OS_NPC_SENSE_AS_AGENT is No deteced as Child with osGetRegionStats STATS_CHILD_AGENTS 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7939 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-12-15 00:03 <osmantis> Bug #8094:04 New OSSL functions: osNpcSetProfileFirstLifeImage(LSL_Key  npc, string image); osNpcSetProfileFirstLifeText(LSL_Key npc, string 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8094 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-15 00:03 <osmantis> Bug #8094:04 New OSSL functions: osNpcSetProfileFirstLifeImage(LSL_Key  npc, string image); osNpcSetProfileFirstLifeText(LSL_Key npc, string 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8094 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-12-15 00:04 <osmantis> Bug #8094:04 New OSSL functions: osNpcSetProfileFirstLifeImage(LSL_Key  npc, string image); osNpcSetProfileFirstLifeText(LSL_Key npc, string 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8094 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-12-15 00:07 <osmantis> Bug #8094:04 New OSSL functions: osNpcSetProfileFirstLifeImage(LSL_Key  npc, string image); osNpcSetProfileFirstLifeText(LSL_Key npc, string 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8094 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-15 00:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #5206 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-15 00:12 <osmantis> Bug #7939:04 [NPC] with OS_NPC_SENSE_AS_AGENT is No deteced as Child with osGetRegionStats STATS_CHILD_AGENTS 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7939 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-15 00:13 <osmantis> Bug #7939:04 [NPC] with OS_NPC_SENSE_AS_AGENT is No deteced as Child with osGetRegionStats STATS_CHILD_AGENTS 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7939 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-15 00:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5206: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5206/
2016-12-15 00:15 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  give regions a option to block profile web urls, so users are not sent to unknown web sites set by other users
2016-12-15 00:15 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  respective .ini settings
2016-12-15 00:19 <djphil> string "my_real_photo" can be a uuid from user inventory too or just prim inventoy texture name only ?
2016-12-15 00:21 <Mandarinka_T> Uuid too
2016-12-15 00:22 <Mandarinka_T> It's the same like osNpcSetProfileImage
2016-12-15 00:22 <djphil> ty
2016-12-15 00:22 <Mandarinka_T> analogously
2016-12-15 00:22 <Mandarinka_T> :)
2016-12-15 00:23 <djphil> not confusing :)
2016-12-15 00:23 <Mandarinka_T> no :) other names
2016-12-15 00:26 <djphil> Can I create small template tag "{new}" or something like that on the wiki OS ... It would be nice to point out the new OSSL functions.
2016-12-15 00:27 <Mandarinka_T> Sure. I think so. Developers should not have any problems with it just opposite :)
2016-12-15 00:28 <djphil> I prefer to ask before doing :)
2016-12-15 00:32 <AliciaRaven> djphil did u review my answer to mantis 8088, i think that can be closed?
2016-12-15 00:35 <djphil> yes i read, ok, i close it if no improvment possible. Np :)
2016-12-15 00:35 <djphil> using console command can minimise contraint a little bit ...
2016-12-15 00:36 <AliciaRaven> djphil, it maybe worth looking into.. Ubit recently updated warp library and that may have fixed the memory leak, if so u can set the map regenerate timer to update the map every 24 hours
2016-12-15 00:37 <AliciaRaven> Ubit do u know if it has fixed the memory leak?
2016-12-15 00:37 <Ubit> which one ?
2016-12-15 00:38 <AliciaRaven> warp3d
2016-12-15 00:38 <Ubit> think so
2016-12-15 00:38 <Ubit> gone with the lib update
2016-12-15 00:39 <AliciaRaven> probably be best to proceed with caution, but if u change the map refresh rate to every 24 hrs and if u need to, use the console command to refresh, it will be better
2016-12-15 00:39 <AliciaRaven> just not possible to refresh the map after every update or when calling os subs
2016-12-15 00:41 <djphil> arfff border radius don't work on OS wiki :(
2016-12-15 00:41 <Plugh> The warp3d memory leak is gone? If so, nice.
2016-12-15 00:42 <djphil> Here is the template i made http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Template:New
2016-12-15 00:42 <AliciaRaven> Plugh, i noticed Ubit updated the dll a while back but i wasnt sure, i had heard from some one outside opensim it was fixed
2016-12-15 00:50 <djphil> cool, border-radius fixed on OS wiki :)
2016-12-15 01:08 <Plugh> djphil: How can that template be used? There are a number of functions on the main OSSL list that should be flagged as new
2016-12-15 01:08 <djphil> just with {{new}}
2016-12-15 01:08 <djphil> that traditionnal wikipedia usage
2016-12-15 01:09 <Plugh> ok, cool. Looks like you (or someone) updated the page already.
2016-12-15 01:09 <djphil> if i add more (like SL wiki) maybee i can create a legend with all new templates
2016-12-15 01:09 <Plugh> osCollisionSound also needs the flag
2016-12-15 01:10 <djphil> yeah i try update ... all i know
2016-12-15 01:10 <djphil> ha oki
2016-12-15 01:10 <djphil> ty :)
2016-12-15 01:10 <Plugh> If the link is in grey the page with details doesn't exist yet so it is new.
2016-12-15 01:10 <Plugh> I updated the list but I haven't added in the pages with descriptions for some of the new functions 
2016-12-15 01:11 <djphil> i see Mel add new RestConsole Binary ... i'm trying to use but is say 'x86 32Bits or x64 64 Bits is requeired to run) .. strange i'm on win7 32bits system ...
2016-12-15 01:12 <Melanie_T> it was built on windows 7 64 bits
2016-12-15 01:12 <Melanie_T> i didn't think anyone still uses 32 bits
2016-12-15 01:12 <djphil> now you know one :)
2016-12-15 01:12 <Melanie_T> update.
2016-12-15 01:12 <Plugh> :)
2016-12-15 01:13 <Melanie_T> 32 bit is dead and stinking
2016-12-15 01:13 <djphil> That just a buisness ;)
2016-12-15 01:14 <Melanie_T> "I'm into sadism, necrophilia and ancient IT. Am I flogging a 32 bit computer?"
2016-12-15 01:14 <Melanie_T> paraphrased from:
2016-12-15 01:14 <Melanie_T> "I'm into sadism, necrophilia and bestiality. Am I flogging a dead horse?"
2016-12-15 01:14 <Melanie_T> found in a forum ;)
2016-12-15 01:14 <Plugh> hehe
2016-12-15 01:15 <Ubit> 
ACTION rushs to mels storage and gets all her 8/16 and 32 bits cpus/controllers

2016-12-15 01:15 <Melanie_T> Ubit: i have a bunch of slot A 19" industrials.
2016-12-15 01:15 <Melanie_T> PICMG
2016-12-15 01:15 <Ubit> :)
2016-12-15 01:16 <Melanie_T> power supplies, cpu cards, periphery, cpu,memory
2016-12-15 01:16 <Melanie_T> no HDD
2016-12-15 01:16 <Melanie_T> pay the shipping and they're yours
2016-12-15 01:16 <Melanie_T> plan for 110 kilos
2016-12-15 01:16 <Ubit> outch :)
2016-12-15 01:18 <djphil> REstConsole Javascript exemple working now ?
2016-12-15 01:27 <Melanie_T> no
2016-12-15 01:27 <djphil> ok
2016-12-15 01:27 <Melanie_T> all but my binaries and sources are broken by this latest change
2016-12-15 01:28 <Ubit> hmm ?
2016-12-15 01:28 <Melanie_T> but of you can compile the windows app, it's awesome tool
2016-12-15 01:28 <djphil> i'm testing the binary on a 64bits system and i can get it.
2016-12-15 01:28 <Ubit> what is broken by what change ??
2016-12-15 01:29 <djphil> yes, is awesome tool, i'm just one something similare tu use in a web apps
2016-12-15 01:29 <djphil> write in php or javascript ...
2016-12-15 01:31 <Melanie_T> Ubit: the old protocol relied on a +++ sequence, like old hayes modems
2016-12-15 01:32 <Melanie_T> the new protocol uses dedicated attributes in the xml
2016-12-15 01:32 <Melanie_T> the old protocol on a new client will degrade somewhat gracefully
2016-12-15 01:32 <Melanie_T> old client with new protocol will simply not work
2016-12-15 01:32 <Melanie_T> this is all pertiaining to the rest console
2016-12-15 01:34 <Melanie_T> i released a new version of the client
2016-12-15 01:35 <Melanie_T> with binaries for 64 bit windows and for mac yosemite and up
2016-12-15 01:35 <Melanie_T> and source for linux
2016-12-15 01:35 <Ubit> ok
2016-12-15 15:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #5207 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-15 15:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5207: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5207/
2016-12-15 15:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: set pbs shape acording to mesh number of (material) faces
2016-12-15 16:52 <osmantis> Bug #8094:04 New OSSL functions: osNpcSetProfileFirstLifeImage(LSL_Key  npc, string image); osNpcSetProfileFirstLifeText(LSL_Key npc, string 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8094 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-15 17:28 <osmantis> Bug #8094:04 New OSSL functions: osNpcSetProfileFirstLifeImage(LSL_Key  npc, string image); osNpcSetProfileFirstLifeText(LSL_Key npc, string 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8094 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-15 20:37 <osmantis> Bug #8068:04 [physics] Boats stop moving forward after sim crossing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8068 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-15 21:04 <osmantis> Bug #8068:04 [physics] Boats stop moving forward after sim crossing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8068 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-15 21:30 <osmantis> Bug #8068:04 [physics] Boats stop moving forward after sim crossing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8068 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-15 22:21 <osmantis> Bug #8088:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] improvement for osGetMapTexture & osGetRegionMapTexture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8088 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2016-12-15 22:22 <osmantis> Bug #8088:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] improvement for osGetMapTexture & osGetRegionMapTexture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8088 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2016-12-15 22:56 <osmantis> Bug #8068:04 [physics] Boats stop moving forward after sim crossing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8068 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-15 22:59 <osmantis> Bug #8068:04 [physics] Boats stop moving forward after sim crossing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8068 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-12-15 23:39 <osmantis> Bug #8095:04 Wrong special charts with Dynamic texture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8095 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-12-15 23:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #5208 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-15 23:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5208: SUCCESS in 4 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5208/
2016-12-15 23:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: GetRegionsByName and GetHypergridRegionByName: detect that provided url is for local grid, and make it a local by region name local search
2016-12-16 00:05 <osmantis> Bug #8068:04 [physics] Boats stop moving forward after sim crossing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8068 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-16 00:39 <osmantis> Bug #8096:04 The new Constant: integer OBJECT_ATTACHED_SLOTS_AVAILABLE =  35; for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8096 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-16 00:39 <osmantis> Bug #8096:04 The new Constant: integer OBJECT_ATTACHED_SLOTS_AVAILABLE =  35; for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8096 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-12-16 00:51 <Ubit> mandarinka where did you got the number 55 ?
2016-12-16 00:52 <Mandarinka_T> Number of all possible points of attachment s
2016-12-16 00:52 <Ubit> in what viewer ?
2016-12-16 00:53 <Mandarinka_T> Bento
2016-12-16 00:53 <Ubit> preciselly...
2016-12-16 00:53 <Ubit> that thing is a ll only thing
2016-12-16 00:54 <Ubit> they can block viewers we can't
2016-12-16 00:54 <Mandarinka_T> I have also considered last viewers and our Opensim code also contains 55
2016-12-16 00:54 <Ubit> well our code on that is...  well what it is :P
2016-12-16 00:55 <Mandarinka_T> you want me to change this natural number ?
2016-12-16 00:56 <Ubit> not sure that does mk sense for us
2016-12-16 00:56 <Ubit> and attachments.Capacity ?
2016-12-16 00:56 <Ubit> what is that ?
2016-12-16 00:57 <Ubit> you can't use that
2016-12-16 01:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #5209 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-16 01:16 <osmantis> Bug #8096:04 The new Constant: integer OBJECT_ATTACHED_SLOTS_AVAILABLE =  35; for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8096 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-16 01:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5209: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5209/
2016-12-16 01:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reserve constant OBJECT_ATTACHED_SLOTS_AVAILABLE from mantis 8096. But do not implement it
2016-12-16 02:00 <osmantis> Bug #8096:04 The new Constant: integer OBJECT_ATTACHED_SLOTS_AVAILABLE =  35; for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8096 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-16 03:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #5210 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-16 03:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5210: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5210/
2016-12-16 03:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ok.. another try on the HG uri
2016-12-16 04:34 <osmantis> Bug #8068:04 Boats stop moving forward after sim crossing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8068 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-12-16 04:37 <osmantis> Bug #8068:04 Boats stop moving forward after sim crossing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8068 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-16 05:01 <osmantis> Bug #8068:04 Boats stop moving forward after sim crossing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8068 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-12-16 07:14 <Murf> Hi all, has anyone looked at using ASP .NET core instead of mono yet?
2016-12-16 07:14 <Murf> for opensim in Linux I eman
2016-12-16 07:17 <Murf> 
ACTION waves at siana

2016-12-16 09:28 <osmantis> Bug #8097:04 09:21:31 - [LAND CONNECTOR]: didn't find land data locally - remote call returned an error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8097 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-16 09:32 <osmantis> Bug #8097:04 09:21:31 - [LAND CONNECTOR]: didn't find land data locally - remote call returned an error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8097 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-12-16 09:38 <osmantis> Bug #8097:04 09:21:31 - [LAND CONNECTOR]: didn't find land data locally - remote call returned an error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8097 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-16 12:40 <osmantis> Bug #8097:04 09:21:31 - [LAND CONNECTOR]: didn't find land data locally - remote call returned an error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8097 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-16 12:40 <osmantis> Bug #8097:04 09:21:31 - [LAND CONNECTOR]: didn't find land data locally - remote call returned an error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8097 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-16 14:08 <osmantis> Bug #8097:04 09:21:31 - [LAND CONNECTOR]: didn't find land data locally - remote call returned an error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8097 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-16 18:15 <osmantis> Bug #8097:04 09:21:31 - [LAND CONNECTOR]: didn't find land data locally - remote call returned an error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8097 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-16 18:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #5211 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-12-16 18:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: viewers regionhandle are not necessary region identifiers, compensate for that on GetLandData in case one get there
2016-12-16 18:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #5212 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-16 19:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5212: SUCCESS in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5212/
2016-12-16 19:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: useless change that doesn't fix anything
2016-12-16 19:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #5213 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-16 19:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5213: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5213/
2016-12-16 19:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove a nonsense option
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2016-12-16 21:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #5214 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-16 21:17 <Ubit> ignore that "be" :p
2016-12-16 21:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5214: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5214/
2016-12-16 21:20 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: and yes HG uri again
2016-12-16 21:20 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: dont allow regions to be register on map area reserved for HG links
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2016-12-16 22:47 <osmantis> Bug #7810:04 llCastRay V3 detects phantom objects when asked not to. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7810 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-16 22:53 <osmantis> Bug #7373:04 llGetCameraRot does not change for small mouse movements. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7373 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-16 22:54 <osmantis> Bug #7373:04 llGetCameraRot does not change for small mouse movements. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7373 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-12-16 22:55 <osmantis> Bug #7373:04 llGetCameraRot does not change for small mouse movements. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7373 ): has been CLOSED
2016-12-16 23:12 <osmantis> Bug #7810:04 llCastRay V3 detects phantom objects when asked not to. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7810 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-16 23:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #5215 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-16 23:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5215: SUCCESS in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5215/
2016-12-16 23:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: review llCastRay V3 phantom detection. Make it ignore physics shape type none as physics engines do.
2016-12-16 23:33 <osmantis> Bug #7810:04 llCastRay V3 detects phantom objects when asked not to. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7810 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-12-17 14:53 <snik> hi devs - hi everyone - i've been playing with 0.9.1 and physical vehicles, in this case a sailboat, I've enabled ubode physics and allowed prim entry and script sim crossing, but so far only boats that are owned by the avvie sailing them will cross sims effectively, non owner driven boats just poof @ sim borders
2016-12-17 14:53 <snik> anyone know a work around for this, or has had similar experience
2016-12-17 14:53 <Ubit> don't forget ubodeMeshmerizer also
2016-12-17 14:54 <snik> yeah thats enabled ubit
2016-12-17 14:54 <snik> hi ubit :)
2016-12-17 14:54 <Ubit> hi
2016-12-17 14:55 <Ubit> well crossings do land permitions checks
2016-12-17 14:55 <snik> ok
2016-12-17 14:55 <Ubit> but should not poof if not allowed :(
2016-12-17 14:56 <snik> so - are you saying non owner driven vehicles should region cross fine then ubit?
2016-12-17 14:56 <Ubit> yes they must
2016-12-17 14:56 <snik> as thats certainly not my findings, with a physical sailboat, so far
2016-12-17 14:56 <Ubit> at least not poof :(
2016-12-17 14:57 <snik> hmmm
2016-12-17 14:57 <Ubit> btw but it is really poof?
2016-12-17 14:57 <Ubit> as in POOFF   dead gone ?
2016-12-17 14:57 <snik> non owner driven non physical vehicles do cross sims fine
2016-12-17 14:58 <snik> as in poof, dissappeared - de-rezzed
2016-12-17 14:58 <Ubit> can't be :(
2016-12-17 14:58 <snik> yes i think so ubit, the disappearance doesnt seem to be driven by a script related event - as far as i can tell
2016-12-17 14:59 <Ubit> hm is the script ok fro crossings?
2016-12-17 14:59 <snik> it is if its driven by its owner
2016-12-17 14:59 <snik> in a physical boat
2016-12-17 14:59 <snik> works fine
2016-12-17 14:59 <Ubit> so works fine if owner drives it?
2016-12-17 15:00 <snik> but if non-owner - then thats when i see the issue
2016-12-17 15:00 <snik> yeps
2016-12-17 15:00 <Ubit> well "fine" in opensim context ;)
2016-12-17 15:01 <snik> yeah i was planning on letting ppl come sail, as we're planning on having a HG safari visit later next year
2016-12-17 15:01 <Ubit> it may still be a thing on script
2016-12-17 15:01 <Ubit> about region edges and temporary rez for others to ride?
2016-12-17 15:02 <snik> it makes no diff if its temp rezz or not, results still are same
2016-12-17 15:02 <Ubit> i mean the script may have things to do that
2016-12-17 15:02 <snik> it doesnt
2016-12-17 15:03 <Ubit> where are u testing ?
2016-12-17 15:03 <snik> the script doenst make the boat temp rezz, it only enables/disables physics on the vehicle
2016-12-17 15:03 <snik> onemoregrid.com:8002:OMG Welcome
2016-12-17 15:03 <Ubit> yeah one more grid :p
2016-12-17 15:04 <snik> come on over if you wanna see ubit :)
2016-12-17 15:04 <snik> hehe
2016-12-17 15:04 <Ubit> what hell
2016-12-17 15:04 <snik> 'sup?
2016-12-17 15:05 <Ubit> is that 0.91 grid top of master?
2016-12-17 15:05 <snik> yep more or less
2016-12-17 15:05 <snik> its prob 2 weekws since i lat compiled
2016-12-17 15:05 <snik> since i last compiled
2016-12-17 15:06 <snik> but yeah
2016-12-17 15:06 <Ubit> odd was refused from lbsa
2016-12-17 15:06 <Ubit> worked on mine
2016-12-17 15:06 <snik> ah well, least it worked, from somewhere :)
2016-12-17 15:07 <Ubit> hm dan is running old code at lbsa.. several days old already
2016-12-17 15:07 <Ubit> ;)
2016-12-17 15:07 <snik> ok ubit- lets converse in-world :)
2016-12-17 16:06 <Ubit> ok ppl  issue was that the boat is rez by a rezzer
2016-12-17 16:06 <Ubit> so it has Die on edge set true
2016-12-17 16:07 <Ubit>  llSetStatus(STATUS_DIE_AT_EDGE ,FALSE); or similar needs to be done on this cases
2016-12-17 16:08 <Plugh> The boat would get to a sim boundary and just disappear? :)
2016-12-17 16:08 <Ubit> yeap
2016-12-17 16:08 <Plugh> hehe, nice.
2016-12-17 16:08 <Ubit> the reported poof :)
2016-12-17 16:08 <Plugh> At least you know that feature works.
2016-12-17 16:10 <Ubit> yeap this confirms it does
2016-12-17 16:11 <snik> thanks ubit, you're a star :)
2016-12-17 16:11 <Ubit> :)
2016-12-17 16:11 <Ubit> ppl that uses other ppl objects and places on rezzer boxes do need to add that call to the original object
2016-12-17 16:12 <Ubit> it crossing is needed  ( planes cars.. boats etc )
2016-12-17 16:12 <Ubit> on their on_rez() event
2016-12-17 16:13 <Ubit> or bullets to kill things on other sims also :)
2016-12-17 16:13 <Ubit> ohh ohh a star lol
2016-12-17 20:11 <Ubit> err i said "break" oops
2016-12-17 20:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #5216 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-17 20:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5216: SUCCESS in 6 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5216/
2016-12-17 20:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: break userprofiles a bit more
2016-12-17 22:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #5217 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-17 22:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5217: SUCCESS in 4 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5217/
2016-12-17 22:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: allow a creator that is also onwer to change export flag. Add missing setting to ini files
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2016-12-18 03:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #5218 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-18 03:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5218: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5218/
2016-12-18 03:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: just give up on Export flag, seems just broken no matter water with current FS and singu 1.8.7
2016-12-18 03:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #5219 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-18 04:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5219: SUCCESS in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5219/
2016-12-18 04:02 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: leave stupid broken permissions alone
2016-12-18 04:02 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: leave stupid broken permissions alone
2016-12-18 07:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #5220 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-18 07:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5220: SUCCESS in 5 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5220/
2016-12-18 07:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few updates to contributors list (sorry the ones still missing)
2016-12-18 12:21 <osmantis> Bug #8098:04 merge osForceAttachToOtherAvatarFromInventory() and osForceAttachAvatarFromInventory() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8098 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-18 16:56 <osmantis> Bug #8099:04 [BASE HTTP SERVER]: System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Index was outside the bounds of the array. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8099 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-18 17:01 <osmantis> Bug #8099:04 [BASE HTTP SERVER]: System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Index was outside the bounds of the array. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8099 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-18 19:01 <Nevren> Is anyone around that could help me with signing up for mantis? I've signed up twice but never get the emails. 
2016-12-18 19:17 <osmantis> Bug #8080:04 OSSL proposal: HG capable osInstantMessage and osGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8080 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-18 19:20 <Plugh> Nevren: I can help. A common problem signing up for sites is people getting typos in their email addresses. Send me a PM with the user name you used when you signed up and I can check the list of user accounts.
2016-12-18 19:21 <Plugh> Ah, I see the two accounts you created. 
2016-12-18 19:22 <Plugh> Nevren, Have you checked the spam folder of your email account? 
2016-12-18 19:24 <Nevren> sorry just stepped back. I did, I will double check now
2016-12-18 19:25 <Nevren> They are not in spam
2016-12-18 19:26 <Plugh> That mail provider has implemented anti-spam measures that can result in legitimate mail not being delivered. What is worse, they won't bounce the mail. It will just vanish in to a black hole.
2016-12-18 19:27 <Nevren> would gmail work?
2016-12-18 19:27 <Plugh> I ran in to that problem with them. I have an email account on that same provider and I couldn't send mail to my account from my main home account. I finally solved the issue but it took me a while to figure out what I had to do.
2016-12-18 19:28 <Nevren> Alright, I'll try from another. 
2016-12-18 19:29 <Plugh> Both accounts are enabled (if I'm reading the information correctly).
2016-12-18 19:30 <Nevren> ok, the problem is i have not been prompted to create a password
2016-12-18 19:32 <Plugh> ok. Its been a while since I went through the acccount creation procedure.
2016-12-18 19:32 <Nevren> and until just now i never realized there is a login as Anonymous... lol. can you make tickets with that?
2016-12-18 19:35 <Plugh> I've not tried.
2016-12-18 19:36 <Nevren> At any rate, thanks Plugh, I'll look at making an account with a different provider later. At least now I know at what stage the problem is likely occurring. 
2016-12-18 19:36 <Plugh> I just tested mail from the machine. Hotmail appears to be dropping it in to the black hole.
2016-12-18 19:36 <Nevren> haha, alright
2016-12-18 19:36 <Plugh> Nevren, if you have a different email address I can change the one on your account. If you haven't been given the chance to set a password you could go through the lost password procedure.
2016-12-18 19:37 <Nevren> oh, sure
2016-12-18 19:38 <Plugh> Thanks for mentioning the problem. I will follow up on it. I went through the problem with my own personal domain.
2016-12-18 19:40 <Plugh> Nevren, your email address would have to be changed first or else you still wouldn't get the email message that would let you change your password. :)
2016-12-18 19:40 <Nevren> Sure, I sent it to you privately = )
2016-12-18 19:42 <Plugh> ok
2016-12-18 19:45 <jakdaniels> ...mail being dropped by some providers... is it because opensimulator.org doesn't have any SPF DNS TXT records?
2016-12-18 19:46 <Plugh> jakdaniels: It has one TXT record but not the one needed by the mail provider.
2016-12-18 19:47 <Plugh> I'll send an email from the machine to my home account so I can see the path the mail takes to reach me.
2016-12-18 19:52 <JeffKelley> getting mail accepted is a tough job nowadays
2016-12-18 19:53 <Plugh> It is getting tougher.
2016-12-18 19:53 <Plugh> Its all good if it helps cut down on spam.
2016-12-18 19:53 <jakdaniels> I've found that having a set of DNS spf records listing the smtp hosts that mail will originate from usually does the trick
2016-12-18 19:53 <Plugh> yes, that is what is needed
2016-12-18 19:54 <JeffKelley> spf helps to be accepted but is not mandatory, each isp has his own policy and recipes
2016-12-18 19:54 <Plugh> I don't control the domain so it isn't something I can do.
2016-12-18 19:57 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2016-12-18 19:57 <jakdaniels> Plugh, if you get the email you sent... the headers might give clues as to how spammy your ISP thinks the email is... including maybe things like 'spf=pass' or 'spf=fail' or Received-SPF: etc
2016-12-18 19:58 <Plugh> I haven't received it yet so it looks like my mail provider is ignoring mail from the machine.
2016-12-18 19:58 <Plugh> ah, it just came through
2016-12-18 19:59 <Plugh> It was just slow
2016-12-18 20:38 <Ubit> ken httptests is working ok ?
2016-12-18 20:39 <Ubit> you should see a few more http errors about sockets on avater leave etc
2016-12-18 20:40 <Ubit> those are "normal" things that are still unfiltered out error report 
2016-12-18 20:41 <Ubit> and a damm thing asking for my region jpeg map and leaving without waiting for it 
2016-12-18 22:16 <osmantis> Bug #8080:04 OSSL proposal: HG capable osInstantMessage and osGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8080 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-12-19 21:42 <YourLife> I requested an account on the website over a week ago, does any one know, are they not accepting new accounts?
2016-12-19 21:56 <Ubit> check your email spam boxes
2016-12-19 23:07 <Plugh> Ubit, If YourLife was using a hotmail address they wouldn't get the email.
2016-12-19 23:19 <Ubit> yeap
2016-12-19 23:19 <Ubit> possible the missing information on the dns record
2016-12-19 23:27 <Plugh> yes. The person who looks after the domain name needs to add the TXT record as soon as they have time.
2016-12-19 23:27 <Plugh> dinner time.
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2016-12-20 10:26 <Andsim> hi why i am getting identy error onn hg
2016-12-20 10:26 <Andsim> fro lpgrid or osgrid
2016-12-20 11:31 <Ubit> that is a good question
2016-12-20 11:33 <Ubit> lpgrid? what are they running ?
2016-12-20 11:36 <Andsim> 8.32
2016-12-20 11:37 <Ubit> hmm don't remember a 0.8.3.2 release
2016-12-20 11:37 <Ubit> well and you ?
2016-12-20 11:41 <Andsim> edv
2016-12-20 11:42 <Andsim> dev
2016-12-20 11:42 <Andsim> my grid 8.12
2016-12-20 11:42 <Andsim> OpenSim 0.8.1.2 Post_Fixes e09c868-1445488933 (Unix/Mono
2016-12-20 11:43 <Ubit> dam that is old :(
2016-12-20 11:43 <Andsim> yeah but cant hg in
2016-12-20 11:43 <Andsim> only out
2016-12-20 11:44 <Ubit> so you get the error going into osgrig or returning from ?
2016-12-20 11:46 <Andsim> onloy going tro ansky from lpgrid or osgrid
2016-12-20 11:47 <Ubit>  "Unable to verify identity of agent" this error on your grid console?
2016-12-20 11:47 <Ubit> of viewer..
2016-12-20 11:48 <Andsim> viewer error
2016-12-20 11:48 <Andsim> when hg
2016-12-20 11:49 <Ubit> hmm a few possible causes
2016-12-20 11:50 <Ubit> one has to do with some routers way of doing loopback
2016-12-20 11:50 <Andsim> not local
2016-12-20 11:51 <Ubit> can you see yr grid console ?
2016-12-20 11:51 <Andsim> yes i can one sec
2016-12-20 13:42 <Ubit> Andsim how is it going? gatekeeperURI is coerent on all ini files ?
2016-12-20 13:42 <Ubit> ( and homeURI )
2016-12-20 17:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #5221 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-20 17:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5221: SUCCESS in 6 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5221/
2016-12-20 17:08 <osjenkins> melanie: Remove obsolete "gridmode" config default in code.
2016-12-20 18:58 <Plugh> Time for the weekly meeting in osgrid
2016-12-20 21:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #5222 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-12-20 22:02 <osjenkins> * melanie: remove obsolete config option "storage_prim_inventories"
2016-12-20 22:02 <osjenkins> * melanie: Remove obsolete config option "EventQueue". It's been always on for ages!
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2016-12-21 14:41 <osjenkins> melanie: Add GRID_GOD to the list of values allowed for enabling OSSL functions
2016-12-21 16:19 <Plugh> s.rog
2016-12-21 20:08 <djphil> About PRIM_OMEGA, i made a small ferry whell of 5 prims linked with in prim root a single script with reverse rotation for child prims. When i sit on prim child, my avatar does not rotate according to the child prim but it rotates according to the root prim, which is not the desired result ...  I also tried to put a sit script in all child prims but that does not change anything, my avatar always rotate according to the prim root.
2016-12-21 20:08 <djphil> Is this normal? (I have not seen a note on this topic in the wiki). Or should it be considered a bug?
2016-12-21 20:10 <Ubit> avatar do not sit on child prims
2016-12-21 20:11 <djphil> yes, he can sit
2016-12-21 20:11 <Ubit> well looks like..
2016-12-21 20:12 <Ubit> but siting avatar are "linked" to the linkset not particular prim
2016-12-21 20:12 <djphil> Why it rotates according to the root prim if it is sitting on the child prim
2016-12-21 20:12 <Ubit> but im a bit busy on other thing to think this now :)
2016-12-21 20:13 <Ubit> plz file a mantis so we can look later
2016-12-21 20:13 <Ubit> hmm and its a phyical thing or not?
2016-12-21 20:13 <djphil> look this video : http://cogito.no-ip.info/cogito/video/video/grand-roue.mp4
2016-12-21 20:14 <djphil> non physical, only basic prim_omega
2016-12-21 20:15 <djphil> root have <0.0, 0.0, 1.0> and childs have <0.0, 0.0, -1.0>
2016-12-21 20:15 <djphil> inversed rotation
2016-12-21 20:16 <djphil> Normally, I expected my avatar to turn like the child prims
2016-12-21 20:16 <djphil> And not as the root prim
2016-12-21 20:16 <djphil> That's why I think it's maybe a bug ...
2016-12-21 20:18 <djphil> I also saw disincronization after only a few turns of wheel ... :s
2016-12-21 20:18 <osmantis> Bug #7810:04 llCastRay V3 detects phantom objects when asked not to. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7810 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-21 20:31 <osmantis> Bug #8100:04 [PRIM_OMEGA] Avatar sit on child prim rotate depending on the root prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8100 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2016-12-21 20:32 <osmantis> Bug #8100:04 [PRIM_OMEGA] Avatar sit on child prim rotate depending on the root prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8100 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2016-12-21 20:33 <Plugh> djphil: From what I've seen from my occasional looking deeper in to the OpenSim code an avatar gets appended to a link set on a sit.
2016-12-21 20:34 <djphil> Even if each link contains a script for sit?
2016-12-21 20:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #5224 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-21 20:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5224: SUCCESS in 5 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5224/
2016-12-21 20:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove a odd raycastv3 config option
2016-12-21 20:53 <osmantis> Bug #7938:04 New AllowedOwnerClass for Grid Administrators to improve management for particular OSSL Functions. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7938 ): has been RESOLVED.
2016-12-21 20:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #5225 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-21 21:00 <Ubit> this last comit seems strange
2016-12-21 21:00 <Ubit> what happened to local gods?
2016-12-21 21:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5225: SUCCESS in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5225/
2016-12-21 21:01 <osjenkins> melanie: Change GRID_GOD script permission to do what it says on the tin.
2016-12-21 21:08 <Mandarinka_T> Local gods are not covered by definition of grid gods
2016-12-21 21:08 <Mandarinka_T> Their userlevel is less than 200
2016-12-21 21:09 <Ubit> but should be checked on ossl
2016-12-21 21:09 <Ubit> and no it is not
2016-12-21 21:10 <Ubit> actuall userlevel is half brokne
2016-12-21 21:10 <Ubit> mostly ignored
2016-12-21 21:10 <Mandarinka_T> no, for what, local God is person who is=
2016-12-21 21:10 <Mandarinka_T> Estate owner or estate manager
2016-12-21 21:10 <Ubit> NO
2016-12-21 21:10 <Ubit> damm
2016-12-21 21:10 <Mandarinka_T> Yes
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2016-12-21 21:16 <Mandarinka_T> to precisely express definition of local God, we say= it's the resident who is estate owner,manager,parcel owner plus appropriate variable enabled in Opensim.ini, that creates such person be locally recognized as God, but still userlevel less than 200, hence such person  should not be considered as grid God, that's all.
2016-12-21 22:21 <osmantis> Bug #8101:04 UK NUMBER $$$$$448002605606$$$$ Quickbookstech support phone number UK 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8101 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-21 22:22 <osmantis> Bug #8102:04 UK NUMBER $$$$$448002605606$$$$ Quickbookstech support phone number UK 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8102 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-21 22:26 <osmantis> Bug #8103:04 448002605606!!!#***  LEXMARK printer  tech  support phone  number  UK 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8103 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-21 22:27 <osmantis> Bug #8104:04 *1--800****204***4122 @@@@@  LEXMARK technical support phone number customer support number 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8104 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-21 22:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #5226 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-12-21 22:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  take UserProfileModule out on onMakeRoot event, add some caching
2016-12-21 23:06 <osmantis> Bug #7810:04 llCastRay V3 detects phantom objects when asked not to. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7810 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-12-22 02:18 <osmantis> Bug #8101:04 UK NUMBER $$$$$448002605606$$$$ Quickbookstech support phone number UK 14(  ): has been DELETED.
2016-12-22 02:18 <osmantis> Bug #8102:04 UK NUMBER $$$$$448002605606$$$$ Quickbookstech support phone number UK 14(  ): has been DELETED.
2016-12-22 02:19 <osmantis> Bug #8103:04 448002605606!!!#***  LEXMARK printer  tech  support phone  number  UK 14(  ): has been DELETED.
2016-12-22 02:19 <osmantis> Bug #8104:04 *1--800****204***4122 @@@@@  LEXMARK technical support phone number customer support number 14(  ): has been DELETED.
2016-12-22 07:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #5227 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-12-22 07:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: UserProfileModule we can't use parcels globalID because we do not have a global locator. we need to send replies to viewer on pick update and delete
2016-12-22 07:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #5228 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-12-22 07:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: UserProfileModule refuse changes to classifieds outside home grid ( viewers may show a delete until profile is open again). Charge money only on classified creation sucess
2016-12-22 15:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #5229 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-12-22 15:45 <osjenkins> melanie: Update the ini examples to add options missing from one to the other.
2016-12-22 18:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #5230 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-12-22 18:27 <osjenkins> melanie: Allow the use of modular configs with Robust as we already can with OpenSim
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2016-12-23 00:40 <Plugh> This is odd. I'm getting several "Can't find inventory item" messages when I login one of my avatars to my Standalone of OS. I see my skin in my inventory and it is listed that I'm wearing it. I go in to edit appearance and the skin looks fine and has no missing textures.
2016-12-23 00:41 <Plugh> Before using "edit appearance" I had grey skin. After my skin looks fine. I even tried clearing cache expecting my skin to still be grey after edit appearance if it can't find something needed but clearing cache made no difference.
2016-12-23 00:42 <Plugh> I just had a thought that it might be some glitch with server side baking but I'm just guessing.
2016-12-23 00:49 <Ubit> specially since we don't have server side bakes :p
2016-12-23 00:58 <Plugh> I thought there was some kind of baking thing that was added a while ago.
2016-12-23 00:59 <Plugh> oh, XBakes. Isn't that server side baking?
2016-12-23 00:59 <Plugh> oh, it is only for grid mode.
2016-12-23 01:00 <Ubit> is only storage plugh
2016-12-23 01:00 <Ubit> viewers do the bakes
2016-12-23 01:00 <Plugh> so the viewer sends the bake back to Robust so it can store it?
2016-12-23 01:01 <Plugh> hm... I also just noticed PersistBakedTextures defaults to false in OSD.ini
2016-12-23 02:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #5231 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-12-23 02:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: UserProfileModule threading issues
2016-12-23 03:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #5232 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-12-23 03:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: replace the (hidden) GRID_GOD by a more usefull GOD so includes all types. This needs to be changed to current effective godlevel check (sp.GodLevel)  when that is fixed. Automatic god powers need be (optionaly) removed
2016-12-23 16:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #5233 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-23 16:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5233: FAILURE in 2 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5233/
2016-12-23 16:12 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  check if a parcelID is a encoded position data or a true UUID. This may fail, just reducing the odds.
2016-12-23 16:12 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  dont try to use a parcelID as encoded position when it is not
2016-12-23 16:12 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  a few more changes on user profiles
2016-12-23 18:27 <osmantis> Bug #8100:04 [PRIM_OMEGA] Avatar sit on child prim rotate depending on the root prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8100 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2016-12-23 18:28 <osmantis> Bug #8100:04 [PRIM_OMEGA] Avatar sit on child prim rotate depending on the root prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8100 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2016-12-23 19:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #5234 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5232 15 hr ago)
2016-12-23 19:48 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-12-23 19:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5234: FIXED in 6 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5234/
2016-12-23 19:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add missing file
2016-12-23 19:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #5235 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
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2016-12-23 19:53 <osjenkins> melanie: Re-add GRID_GOD because in some cases an "employee-only" level is simply needed
2016-12-23 20:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #5236 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-12-23 20:46 <osjenkins> melanie: Add en explanation to osslEnable.ini for GRID_GOD
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2016-12-24 01:10 <osmantis> Bug #7901:04 Feature - Additional Permissions Class for Region Script Engine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7901 ): has been CLOSED
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2016-12-25 00:12 <velus> hry all merry christmass
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2016-12-25 05:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #5237 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-12-25 05:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: FloatSamCache: dont use slideexpire on current libovm expirecache. Change example settings to use memory cache with short expire time. ( 20% to 40% mem cache hit rates observed
2016-12-25 16:50 <Ubit> oops
2016-12-25 16:50 <Ubit> dammm
2016-12-25 16:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #5238 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-12-25 16:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix typos (thanks you know who)
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2016-12-26 06:23 <xoyonline> when will the new version of opensim release?
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2016-12-26 19:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: robust textures add missing returns or redir case
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2016-12-27 19:03 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid.
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2016-12-29 00:48 <Ubit> why didn't this show the changes i did on master? odd thing
2016-12-29 00:49 <Melanie_T> Ubit: ping
2016-12-29 00:49 <Ubit> pong
2016-12-29 00:49 <Melanie_T> ping
2016-12-29 00:49 <Ubit> pong
2016-12-29 00:49 <Melanie_T> missed
2016-12-29 00:49 <Melanie_T> damn
2016-12-29 00:49 <Ubit> hihihi
2016-12-29 00:49 <Melanie_T> just wanted to ask about the keepalives/reusecontext thing
2016-12-29 00:50 <Melanie_T> because i've been getting conflicting infos
2016-12-29 00:50 <Ubit> that is on httptests
2016-12-29 00:50 <Melanie_T> some say (like justin) reuse is great because it keeps down memory churn
2016-12-29 00:50 <Melanie_T> some say it's bad because the context has state an that state may not be geed
2016-12-29 00:50 <Ubit> well i did remove it
2016-12-29 00:50 <Melanie_T> and some say no keepalives cause more traffix
2016-12-29 00:50 <Ubit> the reuse part was small
2016-12-29 00:50 <Melanie_T> and some say keepalives are bullshit
2016-12-29 00:51 <Ubit> calm :)
2016-12-29 00:51 <Melanie_T> and it's not something i've worked with
2016-12-29 00:51 <Melanie_T> so i'm curious
2016-12-29 00:51 <Ubit> reuse as i say i removed the context factory, since what was reused was not much
2016-12-29 00:51 <Melanie_T> and totally open ended
2016-12-29 00:51 <Melanie_T> for once i don't have an opinion
2016-12-29 00:51 <Melanie_T> just want to know
2016-12-29 00:52 <Ubit> and did not clean thigs correctly  so ugly things could happen
2016-12-29 00:52 <Melanie_T> in the factory, you mean?
2016-12-29 00:52 <Ubit> if the http server factory
2016-12-29 00:52 <Ubit> in...
2016-12-29 00:52 <Melanie_T> like what i have heard, old bad state surviving?
2016-12-29 00:52 <Ubit> yeap the cleanup was not good
2016-12-29 00:53 <Ubit> and since there was't that much "reuse" i just removed it
2016-12-29 00:53 <Melanie_T> reuse was always controversial
2016-12-29 00:53 <Ubit> yeap
2016-12-29 00:53 <Ubit> keepalives is diferent
2016-12-29 00:53 <Melanie_T> remember it fucked up httpon back in the avn days?
2016-12-29 00:53 <Melanie_T> http-in
2016-12-29 00:53 <Ubit> they can be bad..  but are actually essencial
2016-12-29 00:53 <Ubit> specially if ssl is uses
2016-12-29 00:54 <Ubit> so httptests does turn them on  by default, except if the request tells to close
2016-12-29 00:55 <Melanie_T> so we have keepalives
2016-12-29 00:55 <Melanie_T> until we don't want the connection anymore
2016-12-29 00:55 <Ubit> the rest of code should then only set to false  IF a bad error happened
2016-12-29 00:55 <Melanie_T> and at that point, if it fails to close
2016-12-29 00:55 <Melanie_T> the lack of keepalive will tear it don eventually?
2016-12-29 00:55 <Ubit> viewers should comand the keepalinve on requests
2016-12-29 00:56 <Ubit> we turn them off on same cases
2016-12-29 00:56 <Ubit> ie things that need a presence and it is gone
2016-12-29 00:56 <Melanie_T> k
2016-12-29 00:56 <Ubit> welle that is the idea
2016-12-29 00:57 <Melanie_T> yeah i get the idea
2016-12-29 00:57 <Melanie_T> so let's see it work ;)
2016-12-29 00:57 <Ubit> also httptests now does do the timeouts
2016-12-29 00:57 <Ubit> and is a lot more happy with pipeline
2016-12-29 00:58 <Ubit> but... yeack still spargetti code etc
2016-12-29 00:58 <Ubit> but we do need proper keepalives even pipeline
2016-12-29 00:58 <Ubit> or ssl will be SLOWWWW
2016-12-29 00:59 <Melanie_T> napoli? bolognese? carbonara?
2016-12-29 00:59 <Ubit> portuguese also..  ie impossible to eat :)=
2016-12-29 00:59 <Melanie_T> lol
2016-12-29 01:00 <Ubit> well im totally loosing on the memory thing grrr
2016-12-29 01:00 <Melanie_T> mono 3 uses boehm
2016-12-29 01:00 <Ubit> damm gc
2016-12-29 01:00 <Melanie_T> mono 4 uses sgen
2016-12-29 01:01 <Melanie_T> try running mono-boehm if you're on 4+
2016-12-29 01:01 <Ubit> yeach and ,net uses several acording to version actually in use
2016-12-29 01:01 <Melanie_T> to try and get comparable numbers
2016-12-29 01:01 <Melanie_T> .net doesn't exist
2016-12-29 01:01 <Melanie_T> there is only linux
2016-12-29 01:01 <Ubit> my test region is so funny
2016-12-29 01:02 <Melanie_T> <sticks fingers into ears? lalalalalalala
2016-12-29 01:02 <Ubit> at login enable  mem in use is from 190MB to 260MB
2016-12-29 01:02 <Melanie_T> 
ACTION looks arounf is windows has imploded yet

2016-12-29 01:02 <Ubit> or even worse
2016-12-29 01:03 <Ubit> huge variation, for something that should be the same
2016-12-29 01:03 <Ubit> and no avatar login
2016-12-29 01:03 <Ubit> just region load things
2016-12-29 02:01 <Plugh> How does the Robust determine the URLs when it says "Verifying <URL1> against <URL2>"? I keep getting "unable to verify account" because URL1 and URL2 are not the same. and URL1 is not one that has been defined in the ini files.
2016-12-29 02:02 <Ubit> string match
2016-12-29 02:02 <Plugh> What settings are being used when Robust tries to verify an account during an incoming HG TP request?
2016-12-29 02:02 <Ubit> gatekeeperURI
2016-12-29 02:02 <Ubit> and possible reverse dns
2016-12-29 02:03 <Plugh> reverse DNS maps to URL2
2016-12-29 02:03 <Ubit> it is still that same case?
2016-12-29 02:04 <Plugh> Different URL1 this time but still having the problem.
2016-12-29 02:08 <AliciaRaven> URL1 is from the circuit code, isnt that sent from the remote grid?
2016-12-29 02:09 <AliciaRaven> and URL2 is the gatekeeper uri i think
2016-12-29 02:24 <Plugh> Both URLs have the proper domain now but the part before the domain name is different. 
2016-12-29 02:25 <Plugh> URL2 has the correct prefix. URL1 has the prefix that is used in the grid I'm trying to leave.
2016-12-29 02:25 <Plugh> I'm trying to HG TP out of osgrid which uses hg.osgrid.org so URL1 starts with hg but URL2 starts with login.
2016-12-29 02:27 <Plugh> I can't figure out why URL1 gets hg as the prefix.
2016-12-29 02:28 <Ubit> look on all config files  regions and robust for the def of gatekeeperuri
2016-12-29 02:29 <Plugh> I have. No where in any file is there a reference to "hg."
2016-12-29 02:30 <Ubit> what is the full url1 ?
2016-12-29 02:30 <Ubit> err or 2
2016-12-29 03:04 <Plugh> 1 is hg.anskygrid.ca and 2 is login.anskygrid.ca
2016-12-29 03:05 <Ubit> Name:    hg.anskygrid.ca
2016-12-29 03:05 <Ubit> Address:  151.80.198.220
2016-12-29 03:05 <Ubit> Name:    login.anskygrid.ca
2016-12-29 03:05 <Ubit> Address:  151.80.198.220
2016-12-29 03:06 <Ubit> ie hg reverse is login
2016-12-29 03:07 <Plugh> Right. But why does it come up with hg. in the first place? There is no reference to it in any ini for anything in the grid.
2016-12-29 03:08 <Ubit> no ideia
2016-12-29 03:09 <Plugh> Does URL1 originate with the URL entered in to the map when requesting an HG TP to another grid?
2016-12-29 03:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #5240 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-29 03:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5240: FAILURE in 6 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5240/
2016-12-29 03:17 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: adjust camera collision detection checks for new FS
2016-12-29 03:17 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: reinforce gc.collect on region load to also do pending finalizers
2016-12-29 03:17 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: gc is also a unwanted cache, so use it. With this, memcache with short expires is no longer needed
2016-12-29 03:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #5241 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5239 2 days 7 hr ago)
2016-12-29 03:17 <Ubit> nice jenkins
2016-12-29 03:18 <Ubit> ohh fail wasnt now?
2016-12-29 03:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5241: STILL FAILING in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5241/
2016-12-29 03:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: forgot one gc.collect wait for finalizers
2016-12-29 03:25 <Ubit> lol i was actually thinking about this :)
2016-12-29 03:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #5242 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #5239 2 days 7 hr ago)
2016-12-29 03:32 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-12-29 03:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5242: FIXED in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5242/
2016-12-29 03:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: expire also from weak references
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2016-12-29 12:00 <osjenkins> melanie: Add an option to update the file access time even when an asset is found in cache.
2016-12-29 12:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #5244 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-12-29 12:38 <osjenkins> melanie: Refactor: Rename IImprovedAssetCache to IAssetCache as the old IAssetCache is long gone.
2016-12-29 12:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #5245 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-12-29 12:43 <osjenkins> melanie: Actually rename the file, too
2016-12-29 15:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #5246 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2016-12-29 15:52 <osjenkins> melanie: Add negative caching to flotsam cache. Prevents scripts from hammering the asset server
2016-12-29 16:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #5247 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-29 16:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5247: SUCCESS in 4 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5247/
2016-12-29 16:34 <osjenkins> melanie: Add a MaxRetries option to the inventory connector.
2016-12-29 18:01 <diva_> is there a console command to delete all prims from a region?
2016-12-29 18:05 <Mandarinka_T> no
2016-12-29 18:05 <Mandarinka_T> Unfortunately
2016-12-29 18:13 <diva_> actully there is! Google to the rescue
2016-12-29 18:13 <diva_> delete object name --regex .*
2016-12-29 18:14 <diva_> this is the equivalent of rm -rf /   so use with caution
2016-12-29 18:14 <Mandarinka_T> Well, I have thought, you wanted to find particularl one, like a delete all
2016-12-29 18:15 <Mandarinka_T> But, ty ,I remember your trick too )
2016-12-29 18:18 <Plugh> hm... I thought there is a command that could be used. 
2016-12-29 18:19 <Plugh> Another option is go to the region, open the region tools and return all objects.
2016-12-29 18:21 <Mandarinka_T> or load oar --no-objects
2016-12-29 18:22 <Plugh> From the region console you can also use -> delete object pos <start-coord> to <end-coord> - Delete scene objects within the given area.
2016-12-29 20:01 <osmantis> Bug #8105:04 New console command: delete object all 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8105 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-29 20:01 <osmantis> Bug #7392:04 Suggestion to serve robots.txt from grid/standalone base URL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7392 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-29 20:01 <osmantis> Bug #8105:04 New console command: delete object all 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8105 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-12-29 20:04 <osmantis> Bug #7392:04 Suggestion to serve robots.txt from grid/standalone base URL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7392 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-12-29 21:26 <osmantis> Bug #7392:04 Suggestion to serve robots.txt from grid/standalone base URL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7392 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2016-12-29 21:57 <osmantis> Bug #7392:04 Suggestion to serve robots.txt from grid/standalone base URL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7392 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-29 21:59 <osmantis> Bug #7392:04 Suggestion to serve robots.txt from grid/standalone base URL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7392 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-29 22:01 <osmantis> Bug #8105:04 New console command: delete object all 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8105 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2016-12-29 22:24 <osmantis> Bug #7392:04 Suggestion to serve robots.txt from grid/standalone base URL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7392 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-29 22:31 <diva_> Ubit, I cut a post-fixes branch a couple of months ago to make the release. Should I port everything that's been done in master to that branch, or are there fragile changes in master that shouldn't be merged?
2016-12-29 22:32 <osmantis> Bug #8105:04 New console command: delete object all 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8105 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-29 22:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #5248 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-29 22:34 <Melanie_T> diva_: I believe what i have seen going into master is beneficial
2016-12-29 22:34 <Melanie_T> also, no release is possible without my fix to the permissions bug
2016-12-29 22:34 <diva_> ah yes. Is that coming?
2016-12-29 22:35 <Melanie_T> we can't release 0.9 with broken permissions
2016-12-29 22:35 <Melanie_T> yes it is
2016-12-29 22:35 <Melanie_T> i need to get this HG system set up
2016-12-29 22:35 <diva_> I'm going to start preparing for the rc2 then
2016-12-29 22:35 <Melanie_T> then i can get onto that with full energy
2016-12-29 22:35 <diva_> cool
2016-12-29 22:36 <Melanie_T> problem is that i started from Robust.ini.example
2016-12-29 22:36 <Melanie_T> rather than Robust.HG.ini.example
2016-12-29 22:36 <Melanie_T> which is why I had to take the time to harmonize the two
2016-12-29 22:36 <Melanie_T> in oder to gain a diff that shows what i am missing
2016-12-29 22:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5248: SUCCESS in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5248/
2016-12-29 22:39 <osjenkins> melanie: Serving robots.txt from bin Idea of solution for http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7392
2016-12-29 23:18 <osmantis> Bug #7392:04 Suggestion to serve robots.txt from grid/standalone base URL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7392 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2016-12-30 01:48 <djphil> What is asset type -2 ?
2016-12-30 02:08 <Plugh> hm... odd. I thought types went from 0 up
2016-12-30 02:10 <Plugh> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Assets
2016-12-30 02:10 <Plugh> -2 is not listed on that page.
2016-12-30 02:15 <Ubit> ohh damm i did not want this flood now :p
2016-12-30 02:50 <djphil> Tank's Plugh ;)
2016-12-30 02:50 <djphil> I see -2 on console
2016-12-30 02:50 <djphil> 03:46:37 - [Assets]: Upload failed: 6898e296-8e5f-d897-6648-45cc6ae8a064 type -2  will retry later
2016-12-30 03:01 <Ubit> it is a material  dj
2016-12-30 03:06 <Ubit> it possible should be 0xfe  but whatever
2016-12-30 03:10 <Plugh> Is that a newer type? It hasn't been added to the wiki.
2016-12-30 03:10 <Ubit> guess it has yrs now
2016-12-30 03:15 <Ubit> but it defined on Util  i think
2016-12-30 03:16 <Ubit> libomv does not have it or did not
2016-12-30 03:17 <Ubit> ( possible not a sl asset type so pushed to the top of byte values range 
2016-12-30 03:17 <Plugh> I can't find a reference to an asset type of -2 in the libOMV source files.
2016-12-30 03:17 <Ubit> it is a odd asset
2016-12-30 03:17 <Plugh> -1 is unknown
2016-12-30 03:18 <Plugh> libopenmetaverse/OpenMetaverseTypes/Enums.cs
2016-12-30 03:18 <Ubit> it wasn't even a asst on first implementation of materials
2016-12-30 03:19 <Ubit> then there was a decision to store materials as assets.. so a "safe" number was chosen
2016-12-30 04:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #5249 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-30 04:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5249: FAILURE in 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5249/
2016-12-30 04:58 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix typos
2016-12-30 04:58 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove a gc.collect that isn't very usefull
2016-12-30 04:58 <Ubit> hmm ?
2016-12-30 05:00 <Ubit> what hell
2016-12-30 05:01 <Ubit> oops
2016-12-30 05:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #5250 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5248 6 hr 42 min ago)
2016-12-30 05:21 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2016-12-30 05:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5250: FIXED in 4 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5250/
2016-12-30 05:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove a gc.collect that isn't very usefull (on the right engine this
2016-12-30 10:29 <osmantis> Bug #7392:04 Suggestion to serve robots.txt from grid/standalone base URL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7392 ): has been REOPENED.
2016-12-30 10:55 <djphil> Should the "-2" asset type be added to the wiki somewhere?
2016-12-30 10:55 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Assets
2016-12-30 10:55 <Ubit> it is a speciall asset
2016-12-30 10:55 <Ubit> viewers don't have it
2016-12-30 10:55 <JeffKelley> what is a -2 asset ?
2016-12-30 10:56 <Ubit> material
2016-12-30 10:56 <Ubit> think 0xFE  not -1
2016-12-30 10:56 <Ubit> err
2016-12-30 10:56 <Ubit> think 0xFE  or 254 not -2
2016-12-30 10:56 <Ubit> ( it is the same on byte )
2016-12-30 10:57 <djphil> on console i see -2
2016-12-30 10:57 <Ubit> just it is a sbyte
2016-12-30 10:57 <djphil> and i don't know how i can remove this warning :s
2016-12-30 10:57 <djphil> 11:46:37 - [Assets]: Upload failed: 6898e296-8e5f-d897-6648-45cc6ae8a064 type -2  will retry later
2016-12-30 10:57 <djphil> i see it every time ...
2016-12-30 10:58 <djphil> i try to find how remove it ... by re apply some materials i made recently ...
2016-12-30 10:59 <Ubit> possible that material already exists in the grid assets server
2016-12-30 10:59 <Ubit> hmm i had the idea i did fixed that problem
2016-12-30 10:59 <djphil> i don't know ...
2016-12-30 10:59 <djphil> but get a warrining every time, that no good
2016-12-30 10:59 <Ubit> FSassets did refuse with error
2016-12-30 10:59 <Ubit> uuid is the same?
2016-12-30 10:59 <djphil> no
2016-12-30 11:00 <djphil> i have 4 warnins
2016-12-30 11:00 <djphil> 3 with the same uuid
2016-12-30 11:00 <djphil> and another
2016-12-30 11:01 <djphil> can i add "-2 - Material" on wiki ?
2016-12-30 11:01 <Ubit> it is a internal opensim thing
2016-12-30 11:01 <JeffKelley> if it is in database, should not it be documented for developers ?
2016-12-30 11:01 <Ubit> but guess no arm in adding at least to reserve it
2016-12-30 11:03 <djphil> This means that you should not add to the wiki?
2016-12-30 11:03 <Ubit> means the oposite, you can add :)
2016-12-30 11:03 <djphil> ha oki
2016-12-30 11:03 <djphil> i add then :)
2016-12-30 11:03 <Ubit> mb with a not that it is internal to regions and grid
2016-12-30 11:03 <Ubit> a note
2016-12-30 11:04 <djphil> Hmmm
2016-12-30 11:04 <djphil> maybee you can add it then
2016-12-30 11:04 <djphil> i'm not good with english
2016-12-30 11:04 <Ubit> to have ppl fixing my english for weeks?
2016-12-30 11:04 <djphil> or for new year :)
2016-12-30 11:05 <djphil> learn English and C# :p
2016-12-30 11:05 <JeffKelley> it's actually a texture ?
2016-12-30 11:05 <djphil> i don't know
2016-12-30 11:05 <djphil> ubit say is a material
2016-12-30 11:06 <djphil> but materials is 3 textures
2016-12-30 11:06 <Ubit> it is 2 plus some numbers
2016-12-30 11:06 <JeffKelley> not a texture, it's a <llsd> thing
2016-12-30 11:06 <Ubit> difuse is the normal one
2016-12-30 11:07 <Ubit> not included on the material data
2016-12-30 11:07 <djphil> ok, i'm just  adding -2 to wiki, here : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Database:Assets#Asset_Fields
2016-12-30 11:07 <JeffKelley> with references to textures
2016-12-30 11:07 <djphil> you can add a note if you whant :)
2016-12-30 11:07 <Ubit> see this are LL materials.. not true industry ones
2016-12-30 11:07 <Ubit> those are diferent beasts
2016-12-30 11:08 <Ubit> this ones are only extensions to the texture entry
2016-12-30 11:08 <djphil> I will try to reapply the texture material on the mesh I believe to be the cause of this problem to see if the warnong disappears
2016-12-30 11:08 <Ubit> LL should had them like that
2016-12-30 11:09 <Ubit> ..should have done them...
2016-12-30 11:09 <djphil> If it solves the warning, then I know perhaps why it was provoked ...
2016-12-30 11:09 <Ubit> and our first implementation did handle them like that
2016-12-30 11:09 <Ubit> not assets
2016-12-30 11:09 <Ubit> but then a dev decided to make them assets
2016-12-30 11:09 <Ubit> see ?
2016-12-30 11:10 <Ubit> thing you can find a debate on that on our maillists
2016-12-30 11:10 <Ubit> bc as assets they did had a nasty problem
2016-12-30 11:10 <Ubit> that i did tried to reduce a few months ago
2016-12-30 11:10 <djphil> ha oki
2016-12-30 11:12 <djphil> What is the best I can do at the moment?
2016-12-30 11:12 <djphil> Expect ?
2016-12-30 11:12 <Ubit> that error should go away :(
2016-12-30 11:13 <Ubit> yr grisd is on fsassets?
2016-12-30 11:13 <djphil> i think yes, is the OSGrid release
2016-12-30 11:14 <djphil> This one RELEASE OSgrid OpenSim v0.9.1.eabd8cb from 20Dec
2016-12-30 11:14 <djphil> i have no update to RELEASE OSgrid OpenSim v0.9.1.65b4e17 yet :p
2016-12-30 11:17 <Ubit> you can look on grid db
2016-12-30 11:17 <Ubit> is that uuid is stored
2016-12-30 11:17 <Ubit> if..
2016-12-30 11:18 <osmantis> Bug #7392:04 Suggestion to serve robots.txt from grid/standalone base URL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7392 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2016-12-30 11:18 <djphil> ok i shearch now
2016-12-30 11:20 <Ubit> grrrr do not flood http server with files for robots or humans or whatever %&$&$&
2016-12-30 11:20 <Ubit> that is more code i will need to change.. damm :p
2016-12-30 11:20 <djphil> Hehe, the simulator to Osgrid ...
2016-12-30 11:20 <djphil> i have no asset database for him :p
2016-12-30 11:21 <Ubit> it is a osgrid region?
2016-12-30 11:21 <djphil> no chance, we can't add htaceess ^^
2016-12-30 11:21 <djphil> yes a osgrid region
2016-12-30 11:22 <djphil> 9 region / 1 simu
2016-12-30 11:22 <Ubit> not sure if osgrid fsassets is running my try to fix that issue
2016-12-30 11:22 <Ubit> they do not run core fsassets
2016-12-30 11:22 <Ubit> hmm i think
2016-12-30 11:23 <djphil> do you whant i made a mantis for not forget ?
2016-12-30 11:23 <Ubit> well i think i did fix it on core
2016-12-30 11:23 <djphil> or no flood mantis ^^
2016-12-30 11:23 <Ubit> flood osgrid blog :p
2016-12-30 11:24 <Ubit> if this is a osgrid issue
2016-12-30 11:24 <Ubit> not sure
2016-12-30 11:24 <djphil> i can't reproduce it ... so i can't try to my grid :s
2016-12-30 11:25 <Ubit> well just go to the prims and change the material a bit
2016-12-30 11:25 <djphil> maybee i know how to reproduce
2016-12-30 11:25 <djphil> but no tested yet
2016-12-30 11:25 <djphil> for this mesh i use the "copy" texture option
2016-12-30 11:26 <djphil> with FireStorm
2016-12-30 11:26 <djphil> maybee something is wrong with "copy"
2016-12-30 11:26 <Ubit> hmm no idea what that does under the hood
2016-12-30 11:27 <djphil> I would like to avoid repeating this problem in the future ....
2016-12-30 11:27 <Mandarinka_Tasty> That's just warning dj,  items are uploaded, but grid recognizes that aseetid exists, you can disable this warning and you live ok
2016-12-30 11:27 <Ubit> ll made materials to seem as sharable things
2016-12-30 11:27 <Ubit> and they aren't that much sharable
2016-12-30 11:28 <Ubit> actually is a error, and the region will keep retry the upload :(
2016-12-30 11:28 <djphil> yes Ubit
2016-12-30 11:28 <osmantis> Bug #8105:04 New console command: delete object all 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8105 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-30 11:28 <djphil> region allways retry
2016-12-30 11:29 <Ubit> it does slow down the rate
2016-12-30 11:29 <Ubit> and will give up in... hmm 48 hours?
2016-12-30 11:29 <djphil> for now i get it from +/- 24h
2016-12-30 11:29 <Ubit> it will giveup
2016-12-30 11:30 <Ubit> 48 or 72... don't remember
2016-12-30 11:30 <djphil> relief :)
2016-12-30 11:32 <osmantis> Bug #8105:04 New console command: delete object all 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8105 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-30 11:46 <djphil> As you can see here, it is fairly regular when I touch the mesh I believe to be the mesh concerned http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/62237420161230124352.jpg
2016-12-30 11:46 <Ubit> odd
2016-12-30 11:47 <djphil> i have remplaced all mat textures ...
2016-12-30 11:48 <Ubit> and still fails?
2016-12-30 11:48 <djphil> yes
2016-12-30 11:51 <Ubit> ohh you gave me once a prim called material error?
2016-12-30 11:52 <Ubit> a molecule
2016-12-30 11:52 <Ubit> you remember?
2016-12-30 11:52 <djphil> Yes I think, I'm not sure but yes, I think
2016-12-30 11:52 <djphil> yes i remember ...
2016-12-30 11:54 <Ubit> well only see unknown materiasl
2016-12-30 11:54 <Ubit> guess thy did fail to upload
2016-12-30 11:55 <djphil> In this case the material is Ao only
2016-12-30 11:55 <Ubit> well i do have a test tree byt neb and does seem to work
2016-12-30 11:55 <djphil> and the Ao texture is BLANK_TEXTURE
2016-12-30 11:55 <djphil> the default from opensim assets
2016-12-30 11:56 <Ubit> yeap no error
2016-12-30 11:56 <Ubit> it is a material that only has alphamask
2016-12-30 11:57 <Ubit> but it did upload to osg
2016-12-30 11:57 <Ubit> OOPS
2016-12-30 11:57 <Ubit> no it did not
2016-12-30 11:57 <djphil> Almost all my mesh have materials and only the one I did yesterday has this warning
2016-12-30 11:57 <Ubit> yeap seems osg is refusing materials
2016-12-30 11:58 <Ubit> odd it was fine sometime ago
2016-12-30 11:58 <Ubit> 11:57:19 - [Assets]: Upload failed: 1e7bf304-4d61-84c8-1b35-bff15b472264 type -2
2016-12-30 11:58 <Ubit>  will retry later
2016-12-30 11:58 <Ubit> 11:58:20 - [Assets]: Upload failed: 1e7bf304-4d61-84c8-1b35-bff15b472264 type -2
2016-12-30 11:58 <Ubit>  will retry later
2016-12-30 11:58 <djphil> Ubit +1 :p
2016-12-30 11:58 <Ubit> you have a grid on master ?
2016-12-30 11:58 <djphil> now wait 72h ^^
2016-12-30 11:58 <djphil> no on master
2016-12-30 11:58 <Ubit> nahh shutdown also looses this :p
2016-12-30 11:59 <Ubit> prob is that is also looses the material
2016-12-30 11:59 <djphil> Relase from 20Dec
2016-12-30 11:59 <djphil> RELEASE OSgrid OpenSim v0.9.1.eabd8cb
2016-12-30 11:59 <Ubit> and gris is on fsassets?
2016-12-30 12:00 <djphil> is the default OSG params
2016-12-30 12:00 <Ubit> grid...  or mysql ?
2016-12-30 12:00 <djphil> i think yes
2016-12-30 12:00 <djphil> mysql i use
2016-12-30 12:00 <Ubit> osg does nothing for robust
2016-12-30 12:00 <Ubit> just compiles
2016-12-30 12:00 <Ubit> but ok
2016-12-30 12:01 <Ubit> plz test there
2016-12-30 12:01 <Ubit> a material upload is delayed a few minutes since a change
2016-12-30 12:01 <Ubit> ( to prevent assets flood )
2016-12-30 12:02 <Ubit> 2 minutes if i remember
2016-12-30 12:05 <Ubit> 12:05:20 - [Assets]: Upload failed: 1e7bf304-4d61-84c8-1b35-bff15b472264 type -2
2016-12-30 12:05 <Ubit>  will retry later
2016-12-30 12:05 <Ubit> grrr
2016-12-30 12:05 <Ubit> lol
2016-12-30 12:07 <djphil> Well we pointed a new problem with Materials :s
2016-12-30 12:08 <djphil> But it is random :s
2016-12-30 12:08 <Ubit> i don't remember if i did test materials at osg or on my own test grid
2016-12-30 12:08 <Ubit> does not seem random
2016-12-30 12:08 <Ubit> it did fail imedialy ( well 2 minutes later )
2016-12-30 12:08 <djphil> Yes it is, because isn't with all meshs
2016-12-30 12:09 <Ubit> the others are already broken :p
2016-12-30 12:09 <djphil> lol, not sure
2016-12-30 12:09 <Ubit> clean viewer cache and see
2016-12-30 12:09 <djphil> but i can test that with new mesh uploads ...
2016-12-30 12:09 <djphil> ha viewer cash only
2016-12-30 12:09 <djphil> ok, cool
2016-12-30 12:10 <Ubit> well th e material can be on region cache also
2016-12-30 12:10 <Ubit> so  all seems ok
2016-12-30 12:10 <djphil> but please don't flood warning after that :p
2016-12-30 12:10 <Ubit> odd
2016-12-30 12:10 <Ubit> i thing i did use this tree and did went to check the upload on a sandbox plaza
2016-12-30 12:11 <djphil> ha ... maybee i need to uplaod all meshs i made on Sandbox Plaza then lol
2016-12-30 12:12 <Ubit> check on yr grid plz
2016-12-30 12:12 <djphil> what ?
2016-12-30 12:12 <Ubit> make a material on a region
2016-12-30 12:12 <djphil> on my personnal grid ?
2016-12-30 12:12 <djphil> or osgrid region only
2016-12-30 12:12 <Ubit> wait 3 minutes to see id upload error shows up
2016-12-30 12:13 <Ubit> logout with viewer clear cache
2016-12-30 12:13 <Ubit> relog on another region
2016-12-30 12:13 <Ubit> and rez the thing
2016-12-30 12:13 <djphil> ok
2016-12-30 12:13 <Ubit> and check material
2016-12-30 12:13 <djphil> with the same mesh ?
2016-12-30 12:13 <Ubit> if you have it there sure
2016-12-30 12:13 <djphil> yes, i made it
2016-12-30 12:15 <Ubit> what hell
2016-12-30 12:16 <Ubit> why don't i have cache nwo
2016-12-30 12:26 <djphil> Arfff, i get first Warning
2016-12-30 12:27 <Ubit> also fails there?
2016-12-30 12:27 <djphil> with same uuid
2016-12-30 12:27 <djphil> yes, upload failed
2016-12-30 12:27 <Ubit> what hell
2016-12-30 12:27 <Ubit> that was working
2016-12-30 12:27 <djphil> arff, second now :s
2016-12-30 12:27 <djphil> 3 now :(
2016-12-30 12:28 <djphil> i have reuploaded the mesh, on another region, and reapply all texture one by one
2016-12-30 12:28 <djphil> 4 warnings now
2016-12-30 12:28 <djphil> 2 different uuid
2016-12-30 12:28 <Ubit> ok it is now broken
2016-12-30 12:29 <Ubit> check if grid is using fsassets
2016-12-30 12:29 <djphil> where ?
2016-12-30 12:30 <Ubit> robust ini ?
2016-12-30 12:30 <djphil> heh i have not Robust.ini
2016-12-30 12:30 <djphil> is a region attached to OSG
2016-12-30 12:30 <Ubit> man
2016-12-30 12:30 <Ubit> i asked to try on another grid :p
2016-12-30 12:31 <djphil> haaaaaa
2016-12-30 12:31 <Ubit> that does use core code
2016-12-30 12:31 <Ubit> since osg  says it is core test grid but does not use core code on several things :p
2016-12-30 12:31 <djphil> i don't have  a grid o master at now here
2016-12-30 12:33 <Ubit> my test one is off and does not use fsassets
2016-12-30 12:34 <Ubit> but damm this tree was working at psg
2016-12-30 12:34 <Ubit> osg
2016-12-30 12:35 <Ubit> i did use it to test the materials assets flood control
2016-12-30 12:35 <djphil> It seems difficult to find the cause of this problem
2016-12-30 12:35 <Ubit> think it is grid assets store code
2016-12-30 12:36 <Ubit> fsassets did had a problem
2016-12-30 12:36 <osmantis> Bug #7392:04 Suggestion to serve robots.txt from grid/standalone base URL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7392 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-30 12:38 <Ubit> btw you can bypass the material asset anti flood timing doing backup
2016-12-30 12:40 <Ubit> yeap grid returns uuid.zero  on store, ie error
2016-12-30 12:45 <Ubit> ok lets see on my test grid
2016-12-30 12:46 <Ubit> damm openprofiles module
2016-12-30 12:47 <Ubit> upload worked fine
2016-12-30 12:48 <Ubit> this is a fsassets bug, possible only on osgrid one
2016-12-30 12:49 <djphil> And it can be solved?
2016-12-30 13:08 <Ubit> must be
2016-12-30 13:13 <osmantis> Bug #7392:04 Suggestion to serve robots.txt from grid/standalone base URL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7392 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-30 14:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #5251 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2016-12-30 14:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5251: SUCCESS in 6 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5251/
2016-12-30 14:40 <osjenkins> melanie: Fake accepting materials (Type == -2) on FSAssets.
2016-12-30 14:41 <djphil> Yeah :)
2016-12-30 17:27 <Ubit> djphil
2016-12-30 17:27 <Ubit> forgetting that molecule thing you gave me
2016-12-30 17:27 <Ubit> the issue was the materials upload broken at osg
2016-12-30 17:50 <djphil> Ok thanks for the information
2016-12-30 17:50 <djphil> I still have the .blend with atom.
2016-12-30 17:50 <djphil> Will i still need to re-upload again ?
2016-12-30 17:50 <Ubit> yeap
2016-12-30 17:50 <djphil> Arfff lol
2016-12-30 17:50 <Ubit> materials where never uploaded to grid
2016-12-30 17:51 <Ubit> well some possible where
2016-12-30 17:51 <djphil> the material isn't made in blender
2016-12-30 17:51 <Ubit> it has nothing to do with blender materials :)
2016-12-30 17:51 <djphil> i'm just using material option in FireStorm
2016-12-30 17:52 <djphil> so, why re upload needed ?
2016-12-30 17:52 <Ubit> you did want to use a material no?
2016-12-30 17:52 <djphil> yes
2016-12-30 17:52 <Ubit> that thing had 2
2016-12-30 17:52 <djphil> ha ok
2016-12-30 17:53 <djphil> 1 from ? and 2 from ?
2016-12-30 17:53 <djphil> just added when upload ?
2016-12-30 17:53 <Ubit> no ideia only seen the error :)
2016-12-30 17:53 <djphil> oki :)
2016-12-30 17:53 <djphil> i try understand to prevent ...
2016-12-30 17:54 <Ubit> some unique materials may had upload ok
2016-12-30 17:54 <Ubit> those 2 did not
2016-12-30 17:55 <djphil> maybee is a material forgeted in the LOD file hehe ...
2016-12-30 17:55 <djphil> When i create my LOD, i remove all material for him and reset texture UV
2016-12-30 17:56 <osmantis> Bug #8106:04 [ubODE] - Mouselook Forces Camera/User "Into Ground" Prohibiting Movement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8106 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-30 17:58 <Ubit> hmm
2016-12-30 17:58 <Ubit> that is not ubode thing
2016-12-30 18:00 <Ubit> hmm i think
2016-12-30 18:03 <Ubit> ohh poor sandbox plaza II still crashed
2016-12-30 18:08 <nebadon> restarting
2016-12-30 18:08 <nebadon> its back
2016-12-30 18:12 <osmantis> Bug #8107:04 llRequestURL Returns Incorrect Domain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8107 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2016-12-30 18:15 <osmantis> Bug #8107:04 llRequestURL Returns Incorrect Domain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8107 ): has been UPDATED.
2016-12-30 18:22 <osmantis> Bug #8107:04 llRequestURL Returns Incorrect Domain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8107 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-30 18:23 <osmantis> Bug #8107:04 llRequestURL Returns Incorrect Domain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8107 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-30 18:24 <JeffKelley> lol
2016-12-30 18:25 <JeffKelley> ubit was faster
2016-12-30 18:26 <Ubit> :)
2016-12-30 19:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #5252 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-30 19:15 <osmantis> Bug #8106:04 [ubODE] - Mouselook Forces Camera/User "Into Ground" Prohibiting Movement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8106 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2016-12-30 19:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5252: SUCCESS in 5 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5252/
2016-12-30 19:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8106: improve avatar walk in mouselook
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2016-12-31 17:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #5253 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2016-12-31 17:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5253: SUCCESS in 7 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5253/
2016-12-31 17:05 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Replaced OpenMetaverse libs/xmls with new ones. Also added a file in openmetaverse_data that was added recently to libomv and was missing.
2016-12-31 21:15 <Taoki> It's almost that time for me... just 45 minutes to go. Happy new year everyone! 2016 was pretty weird, but 2017 will hopefully be better somehow.
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2017-01-01 06:00 <AllenKerensky> Happy New Year!
2017-01-01 06:22 <diva_> Happy New Year!
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2017-01-01 10:54 <zeenai> Hey. I have a question. I'm unable to see textures in the latest build of OpenSim's master branch.  Is this a bug or just on my end? It's telling me that its a bad gateway, connection refused, etc. Not much i can do to open ports, they're automatically opened by the VPS provider. And i can login just fine, just not see textures or load assets. (CAPS don't work)
2017-01-01 11:06 <Ubit> yr http is not working for some reason
2017-01-01 11:08 <zeenai> okay, how do i  fix it?
2017-01-01 11:09 <Ubit> "hey're automatically opened by the VPS provider."  ?? mb this is not that good?
2017-01-01 11:10 <zeenai> maybe
2017-01-01 11:11 <zeenai> but i do know the port: 9000 is open
2017-01-01 11:15 <Ubit> check the port in network section of opensim.ini
2017-01-01 11:16 <Ubit> if you have a static IP  mb use it on the regions.ini  ExternalHostname setting and not a ns name
2017-01-01 11:47 <zeenai> I did, i used the hostname.
2017-01-01 11:47 <zeenai> It's still not working. I've been trying a few things over the past half hour
2017-01-01 11:47 <Ubit> :(
2017-01-01 11:48 <zeenai> I changed port numbers. Made sure that the database settings were right, double checked that the hostname was set everywhere it could possibly be set...... its simply not working ..
2017-01-01 12:00 <osmantis> Bug #6752:04 [WARNING]: EOC marker not found. Codestream is corrupted. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6752 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-01-01 20:10 <osmantis> Bug #8108:04 Link number changes after reboot region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8108 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2017-01-01 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #8109:04 The robust command login reset should return config value:  MinLoginLevel. Defaultly, it returns 0. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8109 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-01-01 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #8109:04 The robust command login reset should return config value:  MinLoginLevel. Defaultly, it returns 0. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8109 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2017-01-01 21:18 <osmantis> Bug #8110:04 The addition of OwnerID to be displayed in SceneObjectReport and ScenePartReport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8110 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-01-01 21:18 <osmantis> Bug #8110:04 The addition of OwnerID to be displayed in SceneObjectReport and ScenePartReport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8110 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2017-01-01 21:29 <osmantis> Bug #8108:04 Link number changes after reboot region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8108 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-01 21:42 <zeenai> OpenSim isn't loading the default assets into either robust or into standalone.
2017-01-01 21:50 <Plugh> zeenai: Are you seeing any error messages during startup? Look for any text appearing in red.
2017-01-01 21:52 <zeenai> The only errors are about estate. Nothing relating to assets that i can see..
2017-01-01 21:56 <Plugh> The most likely problem is an error in the database connection string.
2017-01-01 21:57 <Plugh> Have you configured OS as standalone, grid, or hypergrid mode?
2017-01-01 21:57 <zeenai> it didn't appear in red but it did throw an exception. Appears the version of mono is incompatible. System.EntryPointNotFoundException: Mono_Unix_VersionString
2017-01-01 21:58 <Plugh> ok. Which version of mono are you using?
2017-01-01 21:58 <zeenai> 4.2.1
2017-01-01 21:59 <Plugh> um... don't use 4.2
2017-01-01 21:59 <Plugh> IIRC, that is a version known to have problems.
2017-01-01 21:59 <zeenai> Anyway to still get mono-complete and get a lower version?
2017-01-01 21:59 <Plugh> I'm using 3.2.8 as that is the most recent version of mono that I have found not to give me the least amount of issues.
2017-01-01 22:00 <zeenai> I'll try to find 3.2.8 then for ubuntu
2017-01-01 22:01 <Plugh> If you can't find it you will have to build it yourself. To do that you need to first build 2.10 and install that in order to build 3.2
2017-01-01 22:01 <Plugh> btw, which version of OpenSim are you using?
2017-01-01 22:03 <zeenai> The git version
2017-01-01 22:03 <Plugh> ok
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2017-01-02 00:03 <zeenai> I get errors on CCLD when building both mono 2.0 and 3.2.8
2017-01-02 00:06 <Plugh> what is the error message when building 2.0?
2017-01-02 00:07 <Plugh> Building mono 3.2 needs a version of 2.x of mono available. The messages during building of 3.2 will tell you want version of mono 2.x you need as a minimum.
2017-01-02 00:09 <zeenai> No error message. Just that make failed
2017-01-02 00:10 <zeenai> when using the git tree with autopen.sh it complains about cygnus trees
2017-01-02 00:10 <zeenai> autogen*
2017-01-02 00:11 <Plugh> cyngus trees?
2017-01-02 00:11 <zeenai> error: support for Cygnus-style trees has been removed
2017-01-02 00:14 <Plugh> Are you trying to build mono 2.0 or did you mis type the version number? 
2017-01-02 00:15 <Plugh> IIRC, 2.0 would be too old to allow mono 3.2.8 to build. You should try to build mono 2.10
2017-01-02 00:19 <zeenai> I'll try 2.11 then
2017-01-02 00:24 <zeenai> still gives the error about cygnus-style trees and when taking out that command from the makefile it does build, but LD mono fails still
2017-01-02 00:31 <zeenai> undefined reference to `mono_jit_tls'
2017-01-02 00:48 <nebadon> have you seen my instructions yet zeenai?
2017-01-02 00:48 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44
2017-01-02 00:48 <nebadon> might help
2017-01-02 00:48 <nebadon> it should be really easy to build mono on Ubuntu
2017-01-02 00:49 <nebadon> easier than most versions of linux anyway
2017-01-02 00:50 <nebadon> tarballs for every version of mono ever are here > https://download.mono-project.com/sources/mono/
2017-01-02 00:50 <nebadon> basically just adjust my instruction for whatever tar.gz you use
2017-01-02 00:51 <nebadon> libgdiplus tarballs are here > http://download.mono-project.com/sources/libgdiplus/
2017-01-02 00:51 <nebadon> just get the closest you can with libgdiplus there wont be exact version always
2017-01-02 00:52 <nebadon> mono 4.0.4 is a good choice btw
2017-01-02 01:25 <Plugh> Hm... not sure I ever tried 4.0
2017-01-02 01:26 <Plugh> I don't know what you have on your machine that makes the build process think of Cygnus trees.
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2017-01-02 11:01 <Ai> Hi and a happy 2017 everyone...
2017-01-02 11:02 <Ai> I was looking at @Diva's latest OpenSim commit that brought in the latest LibOMV files and noticed a typo that is in the Lib Open metaverse library code. I don't have a convenient way to geterate a patch but wonder if someone who contributes to LibOMV can make the change when they have a moment?  @Melanie_T I believe made a commit there a few days ago.
2017-01-02 11:08 <Ai> In file /bin/OpenMetaverse.XML ... where "Start a friends conference" is...
2017-01-02 11:09 <Ai> temportary -> temporary
2017-01-02 11:20 <Melanie_T> that is a generated file
2017-01-02 11:20 <Melanie_T> the actual source file the typo is in is ./OpenMetaverse/AgentManager.cs
2017-01-02 11:20 <Melanie_T> fixed now. thanks!
2017-01-02 13:04 <Priestov> hi all) Say me, where to get the defective currency module for version 0.9?
2017-01-02 13:05 <Priestov> .... and happy new year all)))
2017-01-02 13:09 <Priestov> DTL/NSL module after compile not working ((((
2017-01-02 13:09 <Priestov> ... for version 0.9.0
2017-01-02 13:18 <Priestov> ... sorry for translate)) NOT defective!) Only working
2017-01-02 13:18 <Priestov> ))
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2017-01-02 14:24 <Ai> thanks @Melanie_T 
2017-01-02 17:29 <osmantis> Bug #8106:04 [ubODE] - Mouselook Forces Camera/User "Into Ground" Prohibiting Movement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8106 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-02 17:32 <osmantis> Bug #8107:04 llRequestURL Returns Incorrect Domain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8107 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-02 17:33 <osmantis> Bug #8107:04 llRequestURL Returns Incorrect Domain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8107 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-01-02 17:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #5254 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-02 17:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5254: SUCCESS in 6 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5254/
2017-01-02 17:57 <osjenkins> melanie: Create a generic way for passing constructor args to plugins
2017-01-02 19:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #5255 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-02 19:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5255: SUCCESS in 5 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5255/
2017-01-02 19:35 <osjenkins> melanie: Add the HGRemoteAssetService. Allows to use any asset service with HG
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2017-01-03 10:18 <AliciaRaven> anyone running a sim from Bethlehem, Pennsylvania?
2017-01-03 10:24 <Ubit> was't that in palestine?
2017-01-03 10:24 <AliciaRaven> in america most of the place names are from some where else lol
2017-01-03 10:25 <Ubit> Paris,Texas
2017-01-03 10:26 <Ubit> well New Orleans or New York at least have a New :)
2017-01-03 10:26 <Ubit> guess in same cases New New .. New Name, as boring :
2017-01-03 11:24 <Ubit> (FLOOD TIME)
2017-01-03 14:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #5256 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-03 14:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5256: SUCCESS in 6 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5256/
2017-01-03 14:13 <osjenkins> melanie: Suppress error messages in the log if functions are not enabled. Just return failure instead.
2017-01-03 18:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #5257 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-03 18:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5257: SUCCESS in 6 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5257/
2017-01-03 18:38 <osjenkins> melanie: Suppress misleading message when logging in locally
2017-01-03 18:55 <Plugh> Oh, its Tuesday once more. Time for another weekly meeting in ogrid. 
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2017-01-03 23:48 <osmantis> Bug #8062:04 Feature request for llScaleByFactor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8062 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-01-04 00:57 <osmantis> Bug #8020:04 [BASE HTTP SERVER] HandleRequest threw 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8020 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-01-04 01:09 <osmantis> Bug #8020:04 [BASE HTTP SERVER] HandleRequest threw 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8020 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-04 11:51 <Ai> I just updated one of my test grids from the version from 2016-12-31 16:58 (1029) to latest 2017-01-03 18:31 (1034) with the change to Robust.HG.ini made by @Melanie_T
2017-01-04 11:55 <Ai> The new version works wioth  my prervious Robust.HG.ini file (deprecated HGInventoryServiceConstructorArg still in place), but I get an error if I move to the new .example way to do this....
2017-01-04 11:55 <Ai> HGInventoryServicePlugin = "HGInventoryService@OpenSim.Services.HypergridService.dll:HGSuitcaseInventoryService"
2017-01-04 11:58 <Ai> I can report on Mantis if preferred... unless its an obvious thing?
2017-01-04 11:58 <Ai> 11:56:56 - [SERVER UTILS]: Error loading plugin from HGInventoryService@OpenSim.
2017-01-04 11:58 <Ai> Services.HypergridService.dllSystem.IO.FileNotFoundException: Could not load fil
2017-01-04 11:58 <Ai> e or assembly 'file:///D:\VW\AiLand\bin\HGInventoryService@OpenSim.Services.Hype
2017-01-04 11:58 <Ai> rgridService.dll' or one of its dependencies. The system cannot find the file specified.
2017-01-04 12:00 <Ubit> runprebuild ?
2017-01-04 12:00 <Ai> as usual I have runprebuild.bat and compile.bat for my usual build process on Windows Ubit
2017-01-04 12:01 <Ai> I can revert to previous Robust.HG.ini and it works fine
2017-01-04 12:01 <Ai> but putting in the new lines from Robust.HG.ini.example and it gives the error
2017-01-04 12:01 <Ai> old lines were commented out of course
2017-01-04 12:02 <Ubit> seems it is not finding the new thing
2017-01-04 12:03 <Ai> Could it be that Commit f03a6b is not inclduing all that is necessary?  I see no .dll in that commit
2017-01-04 12:04 <Ai> maybe its build by the runprebuild.bat and compile.bat though
2017-01-04 12:04 <Ubit> hmm i can't test it new :(
2017-01-04 12:05 <Ai> I see a file bin/OpenSim.Services.HypergridService.dll there okay
2017-01-04 12:06 <Ubit> HGSuitcaseInventoryService" ? odd
2017-01-04 12:11 <Ubit> well the new code does seem strange
2017-01-04 12:11 <Ai> to provide the full red error message I am just making a mantis.. as I can't show it all here Ubit
2017-01-04 12:15 <Ubit> ile:///D:\VW\AiLand\bin\HGInventoryService@OpenSim.Services.Hype   does not look as a path really
2017-01-04 12:16 <osmantis> Bug #8111:04 Error loading plugin bin\HGInventoryService@OpenSim.Services.HypergridService.dll 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8111 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-01-04 12:16 <Ai> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8111
2017-01-04 12:17 <Ai> that shows the full error message
2017-01-04 12:17 <osmantis> Bug #8111:04 Error loading plugin bin\HGInventoryService@OpenSim.Services.HypergridService.dll 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8111 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-01-04 12:18 <osmantis> Bug #8111:04 Error loading plugin bin\HGInventoryService@OpenSim.Services.HypergridService.dll 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8111 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-01-04 12:26 <osmantis> Bug #8111:04 Error loading plugin bin\HGInventoryService@OpenSim.Services.HypergridService.dll 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8111 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-01-04 12:29 <osmantis> Bug #8111:04 Error loading plugin bin\HGInventoryService@OpenSim.Services.HypergridService.dll 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8111 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-01-04 12:41 <Ubit> hmm seems it did work ok for me 
2017-01-04 12:43 <Ai> Sorry for the trouble... Ubit said somethig that made me go back and check my conmpile directories, and I had accidentally recopmpiled 1029 rather than the updated 1024.  All workign fine when teh correct version is compled!
2017-01-04 12:43 <Ubit> :)
2017-01-04 12:44 <osmantis> Bug #8111:04 Error loading plugin bin\HGInventoryService@OpenSim.Services.HypergridService.dll 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8111 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2017-01-04 12:45 <osmantis> Bug #8111:04 Error loading plugin bin\HGInventoryService@OpenSim.Services.HypergridService.dll 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8111 ): has been REOPENED.
2017-01-04 12:45 <Ubit> you will get there :p
2017-01-04 12:46 <osmantis> Bug #8111:04 Error loading plugin bin\HGInventoryService@OpenSim.Services.HypergridService.dll 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8111 ): has been CLOSED
2017-01-04 17:05 <Mandarinka_T> Sometimes, very rarely and unpredictably, also randomly, when I shutdown robust console, then screen is frozen= stop to response. Then I need to close client and login again and I need to kill particularl process. I have noticed, that Pid file is automatically removed. Why do such things occur ? That situation I have never experienced with Opensim.exe, only with robust.exe
2017-01-04 17:42 <Priestov> <Mandarinka_T> , i have this problem robust and opensim in ubuntu 14.04. Stoped and quit not working in console. Only commans kill process
2017-01-04 17:43 <Priestov> opensim 0.9.0
2017-01-04 17:43 <Priestov> and 0.9.1
2017-01-04 17:44 <Mandarinka_T> Yes,it happens very rarely, but I want to find out the reason and eliminate= prevent it
2017-01-04 17:45 <Priestov> i too)))
2017-01-04 17:46 <Priestov> do u use screen -R Robust.exe?
2017-01-04 17:46 <Priestov> mono*
2017-01-04 17:46 <Priestov> or only mono Robust.exe?
2017-01-04 17:47 <Mandarinka_T> Well, maybe it will sound funny, but when I make few operations on such screen, like help etc, then always shutdown is successful
2017-01-04 17:48 <Mandarinka_T> but that sounds illogical for me, so I've no idea about it
2017-01-04 17:48 <Priestov> do u use command console - shutdown?
2017-01-04 17:48 <Priestov> or q?
2017-01-04 17:48 <Mandarinka_T> shutdown
2017-01-04 17:48 <Priestov> ym
2017-01-04 17:48 <Priestov> hm
2017-01-04 17:48 <Priestov> im q
2017-01-04 17:48 <Mandarinka_T> both of them should be equivalent in my opinion
2017-01-04 17:49 <Mandarinka_T> I personally type: shutdown
2017-01-04 17:49 <Priestov> yes
2017-01-04 17:50 <Priestov> may be ... its working only with root?
2017-01-04 17:50 <Mandarinka_T> I can live with this random and rare inconvenience, but I don't like to waste my time to restart ssh client to connect to my machine
2017-01-04 17:50 <Priestov> or sudo
2017-01-04 17:52 <Mandarinka_T> At least I'd like to know the reason and logical explanation
2017-01-04 17:53 <Priestov> its not working in linux
2017-01-04 17:53 <Priestov> in windows i not have prblem
2017-01-04 17:53 <Mandarinka_T> What do you mean? It works in my centos
2017-01-04 17:53 <djphil> i use "quit" :p
2017-01-04 17:54 <Priestov> centos - its linux
2017-01-04 17:54 <Priestov> <djphil> , linux?
2017-01-04 17:55 <djphil> windows
2017-01-04 17:55 <djphil> but i use it rarely on linux (debian) too
2017-01-04 17:55 <Priestov> heh))) In windows working)
2017-01-04 17:56 <djphil> yeah working fine on Windows :)
2017-01-04 17:57 <djphil> I just mentioned "quit" because I saw you did not mention it earlier
2017-01-04 17:57 <Mandarinka_T> quit and shutdown also work fine in Linux, just very rarely, robust.exe becomes frozen, and screen needs to be killed
2017-01-04 19:10 <osmantis> Bug #8112:04 Show details of scene objects with given OwnerID. Console command: show object owner 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8112 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-01-04 19:11 <osmantis> Bug #8112:04 Show details of scene objects with given OwnerID. Console command: show object owner 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8112 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2017-01-04 19:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #5258 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-04 19:19 <osmantis> Bug #8112:04 Show details of scene objects with given OwnerID. Console command: show object owner 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8112 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-04 19:21 <osmantis> Bug #8112:04 Show details of scene objects with given OwnerID. Console command: show object owner 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8112 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-01-04 19:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5258: SUCCESS in 6 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5258/
2017-01-04 19:22 <osjenkins> melanie: Set a sensible default for the MaxAgentGroups parameter
2017-01-04 19:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #5259 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-04 19:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5259: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5259/
2017-01-04 19:27 <osjenkins> melanie: Show details of scene objects with given ownerId.
2017-01-04 20:50 <osmantis> Bug #8113:04 PGSQL - missing cast in XInventoryData 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8113 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-01-04 20:50 <osmantis> Bug #8113:04 PGSQL - missing cast in XInventoryData 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8113 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2017-01-04 21:19 <osmantis> Bug #8113:04 PGSQL - missing cast in XInventoryData 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8113 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-01-04 21:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #5260 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-04 21:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5260: SUCCESS in 4 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5260/
2017-01-04 21:24 <osjenkins> melanie: PGSQL fixed a missing cast to uuid in XInventoryData
2017-01-04 21:53 <osmantis> Bug #8109:04 The robust command login reset should return config value:  MinLoginLevel. Defaultly, it returns 0. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8109 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-01-04 21:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #5261 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-04 21:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5261: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5261/
2017-01-04 21:58 <osjenkins> melanie: The robust command login reset should return config value: MinLoginLevel. Defaultly, it returns 0.
2017-01-04 22:07 <osmantis> Bug #7392:04 Suggestion to serve robots.txt from grid/standalone base URL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7392 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-01-04 23:36 <osmantis> Bug #7392:04 Suggestion to serve robots.txt from grid/standalone base URL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7392 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-04 23:38 <osmantis> Bug #7392:04 Suggestion to serve robots.txt from grid/standalone base URL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7392 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-05 02:17 <osmantis> Bug #8114:04 Giving possibility to add/remove estate manager via simulator console. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8114 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-01-05 02:17 <osmantis> Bug #8114:04 Giving possibility to add/remove estate manager via simulator console. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8114 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
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2017-01-05 09:37 <osmantis> Bug #7392:04 Suggestion to serve robots.txt from grid/standalone base URL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7392 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-05 09:41 <Ai_> Thanks to @Mandarinka_T for the robots.txt patch for the Robust grid level.  I have tested it successfully on the AiLand grid including checks it does not interfere with @diva_ WiFi.
2017-01-05 09:44 <Ai_> Thanks to @Mandarinka_T for the robots.txt patch for the Robust grid level.  I have tested it successfully on the AiLand grid including checks it does not interfere with @diva_ WiFi.
2017-01-05 13:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #5262 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-05 13:38 <osmantis> Bug #7392:04 Suggestion to serve robots.txt from grid/standalone base URL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7392 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-05 13:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5262: SUCCESS in 6 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5262/
2017-01-05 13:43 <osjenkins> melanie: Create all tables ad InnoDB by default
2017-01-05 14:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #5263 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-05 14:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5263: SUCCESS in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5263/
2017-01-05 14:23 <osjenkins> melanie: Fix some permissions checks in groups
2017-01-05 16:29 <Ubit> damm thing didn't now show the changes i made on master, again
2017-01-05 17:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #5264 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-05 17:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5264: SUCCESS in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5264/
2017-01-05 17:16 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  a few changes to estates and estate teleportHome (used kick)
2017-01-05 17:16 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  a few changes to estates port handling
2017-01-05 17:37 <osmantis> Bug #8115:04 mixture of bitwise operators and logical expression leads to wrong result 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8115 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-01-05 17:57 <osmantis> Bug #7392:04 Suggestion to serve robots.txt from grid/standalone base URL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7392 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-05 18:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #5265 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-05 18:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5265: SUCCESS in 4 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5265/
2017-01-05 18:05 <osjenkins> melanie: Rename the files and classes from XEstate to Estate
2017-01-05 18:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #5266 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-05 18:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5266: SUCCESS in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5266/
2017-01-05 18:10 <osjenkins> melanie: Make the estate communications handler selectable
2017-01-05 18:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #5267 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-05 18:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5267: SUCCESS in 4 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5267/
2017-01-05 18:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few changes to Gods ( ie administrators) control
2017-01-05 18:44 <osmantis> Bug #8115:04 mixture of bitwise operators and logical expression leads to wrong result 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8115 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-05 18:48 <osmantis> Bug #8115:04 mixture of bitwise operators and logical expression leads to wrong result 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8115 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-05 18:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #5268 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-05 18:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5268: SUCCESS in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5268/
2017-01-05 18:58 <osjenkins> melanie: Make it possible to disable the bakes module in the way it is described in config comments
2017-01-05 19:08 <Ubit> OUTCH
2017-01-05 19:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #5269 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-05 19:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5269: SUCCESS in 5 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5269/
2017-01-05 19:13 <osjenkins> melanie: Massive tab and trailing space cleanup
2017-01-05 20:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #5270 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-05 20:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5270: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5270/
2017-01-05 20:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove code i started but didn't finish
2017-01-05 20:27 <osmantis> Bug #7392:04 Suggestion to serve robots.txt from grid/standalone base URL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7392 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-05 21:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #5271 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-05 21:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5271: SUCCESS in 4 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5271/
2017-01-05 21:37 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add config option automatic_gods. With this option true, users that can be Gods will have that level automaticly without the need request on viewer; Propagate current god level to nearby regions (with local checks)
2017-01-05 21:37 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: allow initial automatic level to be changed by request. Since viewers still dont get real level, one will need to ask for god level then disable it to syncronize the viewer with real level.
2017-01-05 22:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #5272 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-05 22:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5272: SUCCESS in 5 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5272/
2017-01-05 22:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: inform viewers of current godlevel;  put back a small delay on teleport arrivel to give time to viewers to sync
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2017-01-06 00:17 <osmantis> Bug #8115:04 mixture of bitwise operators and logical expression leads to wrong result 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8115 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-06 00:27 <osmantis> Bug #8115:04 mixture of bitwise operators and logical expression leads to wrong result 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8115 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-06 00:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #5273 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-06 01:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5273: SUCCESS in 5 min 40 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5273/
2017-01-06 01:02 <osjenkins> * melanie: Add GodController class
2017-01-06 01:02 <osjenkins> * melanie: Restructure god level and permissions
2017-01-06 01:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #5274 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-06 01:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5274: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5274/
2017-01-06 01:12 <osjenkins> melanie: UserLevel must have a trusted source
2017-01-06 01:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #5275 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-06 01:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5275: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5275/
2017-01-06 01:28 <osjenkins> melanie: Send GodLevel to viewers on login
2017-01-06 01:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #5276 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-06 01:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5276: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5276/
2017-01-06 01:34 <osjenkins> melanie: Sync viewer on make root
2017-01-06 01:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #5277 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-06 01:38 <Ubit> :p
2017-01-06 01:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5277: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5277/
2017-01-06 01:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: take sync viewer out on make root
2017-01-06 01:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #5278 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-06 01:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5278: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5278/
2017-01-06 01:59 <osjenkins> melanie: Handle the case where grid gods and local gods should coexit
2017-01-06 02:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #5279 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-06 02:15 <osmantis> Bug #8116:04 Testing latest commits with new god controller "God Powers Denied" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8116 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-01-06 02:16 <osmantis> Bug #8116:04 Testing latest commits with new god controller "God Powers Denied" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8116 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-01-06 02:17 <osmantis> Bug #8116:04 Testing latest commits with new god controller "God Powers Denied" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8116 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-06 02:18 <osmantis> Bug #8116:04 Testing latest commits with new god controller "God Powers Denied" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8116 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-06 02:19 <osmantis> Bug #8116:04 Testing latest commits with new god controller "God Powers Denied" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8116 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-06 02:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5279: SUCCESS in 5 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5279/
2017-01-06 02:21 <osjenkins> melanie: Fix the mixed gods issue in all places
2017-01-06 02:26 <osmantis> Bug #8116:04 Testing latest commits with new god controller "God Powers Denied" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8116 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-01-06 02:37 <osmantis> Bug #8116:04 Testing latest commits with new god controller "God Powers Denied" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8116 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-06 03:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #5280 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-06 03:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5280: SUCCESS in 5 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5280/
2017-01-06 03:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix typo
2017-01-06 03:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #5281 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-06 03:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5281: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5281/
2017-01-06 03:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix/simplify validation of god_data update field
2017-01-06 10:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #5282 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-06 10:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5282: SUCCESS in 6 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5282/
2017-01-06 10:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: restore parcels avatars visibility god level change correct handling;  try to reduced the increased change of user error on config options setting
2017-01-06 15:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #5283 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-06 15:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5283: SUCCESS in 5 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5283/
2017-01-06 15:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Remove parcel_owner_is_god option. It is conceptually wrong and with
2017-01-06 17:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #5284 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-06 17:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5284: SUCCESS in 5 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5284/
2017-01-06 17:13 <osjenkins> * melanie: Fix errors introduced by incomplete understanding of what folded perms are
2017-01-06 17:14 <osjenkins> * melanie: Remove more calls to that horrible function
2017-01-06 17:14 <osjenkins> * melanie: Fix the long-standing bug that object permissions set in inventory were lost
2017-01-06 17:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #5285 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-06 17:34 <Ubit> data.. not date :(
2017-01-06 17:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5285: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5285/
2017-01-06 17:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a missing god_date transmition
2017-01-06 18:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #5286 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-06 18:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5286: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5286/
2017-01-06 18:19 <osjenkins> melanie: Fix an artefact introduced by git's revert merging logic
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2017-01-06 23:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #5287 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-06 23:41 <osmantis> Bug #7872:04 CHANGED_OWNER is not triggered on rez after changing object's ownership 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7872 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-01-06 23:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5287: SUCCESS in 5 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5287/
2017-01-06 23:43 <osjenkins> melanie: Fix a slew of event like CHANGED_OWNER, attach() etc not working.
2017-01-06 23:43 <osmantis> Bug #7872:04 CHANGED_OWNER is not triggered on rez after changing object's ownership 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7872 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-06 23:45 <osmantis> Bug #7836:04 transferring full perm mesh object arrives no copy no transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7836 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-01-07 00:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #5288 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-07 00:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5288: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5288/
2017-01-07 00:32 <osjenkins> melanie: Queue all events for a script that is waiting to compile
2017-01-07 00:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #5289 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-07 00:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5289: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5289/
2017-01-07 00:38 <osjenkins> melanie: Remove a red ink error on shutdown. Harmless message since shutting down anyway
2017-01-07 00:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #5290 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-07 00:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5290: SUCCESS in 5 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5290/
2017-01-07 00:43 <osjenkins> * melanie: Squelch red ink for login cancel by the user during circuit setup
2017-01-07 00:43 <osjenkins> * melanie: During login cancel, don't error out here on a null client.
2017-01-07 00:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #5291 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-07 00:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5291: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5291/
2017-01-07 00:49 <osjenkins> melanie: Squelch noisy debug message that happens on every single rez
2017-01-07 01:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #5292 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-07 01:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5292: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5292/
2017-01-07 01:23 <osjenkins> * melanie: Fix grid gods
2017-01-07 01:23 <osjenkins> * melanie: Fix custom dialogs working when bin/ is read-only
2017-01-07 02:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #5293 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-07 02:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5293: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5293/
2017-01-07 02:21 <osjenkins> * kevin: Only apply group creation fee > 0 and pass group name when applying fee
2017-01-07 02:21 <osjenkins> * kevin: Allow avatar to be charged group membership fees when a money module is in use
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2017-01-07 09:03 <Ubit> flooding :p
2017-01-07 09:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #5294 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-07 09:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5294: SUCCESS in 7 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5294/
2017-01-07 09:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: coment out a flodding debug message
2017-01-07 09:40 <Ubit> shutdown
2017-01-07 09:41 <Ubit> oops no no not you
2017-01-07 12:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #5295 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-07 12:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5295: SUCCESS in 5 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5295/
2017-01-07 12:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: try to work around some broken viewers math on handles
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2017-01-07 16:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #5296 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-07 16:08 <Ubit> grrr Note.. not not
2017-01-07 16:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5296: SUCCESS in 6 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5296/
2017-01-07 16:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: more changes to god level control. Not that this is work in progress, for now it still works mainly as with option implicit_gods = true. speed up some regions child updates, some cleanup
2017-01-07 16:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #5297 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-07 16:16 <Ubit> well not sure that is a real success :p
2017-01-07 16:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5297: SUCCESS in 5 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5297/
2017-01-07 16:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: prevent gods kick wars using the new god level variable
2017-01-07 16:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #5298 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-07 16:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5298: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5298/
2017-01-07 16:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update permissions module with the new options
2017-01-07 16:55 <Ubit> (FLOOD)
2017-01-07 18:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #5299 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-07 18:17 <Plugh> I want to create a branch so I can work on some code changes. I'm not sure what to call the branch.
2017-01-07 18:17 <Ubit> APlughUnamedBrach ?
2017-01-07 18:18 <Plugh> :)
2017-01-07 18:18 <Plugh> The changes will be to add SSL/TLS support to the email module.
2017-01-07 18:18 <Ubit> err
2017-01-07 18:19 <Ubit> do it on httptests
2017-01-07 18:19 <Plugh> why there?
2017-01-07 18:19 <Ubit> and SEE how it handles ssl
2017-01-07 18:19 <Ubit> bc it has ssl
2017-01-07 18:19 <Ubit> and we may need to talk about it
2017-01-07 18:19 <Plugh> I was going to use System.Net.Mail which has the needed support.
2017-01-07 18:19 <Ubit> not sure
2017-01-07 18:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5299: SUCCESS in 7 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5299/
2017-01-07 18:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: rename same variables to make their meaning more clear
2017-01-07 18:20 <Ubit> a problem is how .net  does certs validation control
2017-01-07 18:20 <Ubit> that also kills  current money modules
2017-01-07 18:21 <Ubit> .net 4.5 does have the solution.. not 4.0
2017-01-07 18:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #5300 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-07 18:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5300: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5300/
2017-01-07 18:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: replace godlevel compares by the new faster bool isViewerUIGod
2017-01-07 18:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #5301 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-07 18:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5301: FAILURE in 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5301/
2017-01-07 18:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: rename same more variables to make their meaning more clear
2017-01-07 18:51 <Ubit> bad jenkins
2017-01-07 18:52 <Ubit> yeap no failures
2017-01-07 18:54 <Ubit> hmm
2017-01-07 18:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #5302 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5300 12 min ago)
2017-01-07 18:57 <Ubit> good jenkins :)
2017-01-07 19:03 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2017-01-07 19:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5302: FIXED in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5302/
2017-01-07 19:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing changed file
2017-01-07 19:05 <Ubit> Yippie
2017-01-07 19:05 <Ubit> well if code fixed.. lets see
2017-01-07 19:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #5303 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2017-01-07 19:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5303: SUCCESS in 5 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5303/
2017-01-07 19:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ignore teleport flag GodLike. Perform checks acording to agent static
2017-01-07 20:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #5304 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-07 20:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5304: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5304/
2017-01-07 20:37 <osjenkins> melanie: Change improperly named isNPC to be IsNPC as a property should be uppercase
2017-01-07 20:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #5305 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-07 20:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5305: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5305/
2017-01-07 20:44 <osjenkins> melanie: Correct casing on isGod and isViewerUIGod
2017-01-07 21:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #5306 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-07 21:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5306: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5306/
2017-01-07 21:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: use new IsGod on CheckAndAdjustLandingPoint_SL so it can be by current viewer god, acording to config
2017-01-07 21:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #5307 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-01-08 05:43 <osmantis> Bug #8117:04 llSetPhysicsMaterial cannot be virtually used due to the compilation error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8117 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-01-08 06:14 <osmantis> Bug #8117:04 llSetPhysicsMaterial cannot be virtually used due to the compilation error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8117 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-08 06:20 <osmantis> Bug #8117:04 llSetPhysicsMaterial cannot be virtually used due to the compilation error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8117 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-01-08 11:20 <osmantis> Bug #8117:04 llSetPhysicsMaterial cannot be virtually used due to the compilation error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8117 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-08 11:27 <Ubit> oops
2017-01-08 13:12 <Ubit> hmm cia and jenkis took the week off it seems
2017-01-08 13:12 <Ubit> err no.. jenkins only
2017-01-08 15:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5307: ABORTED in 17 hr: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5307/
2017-01-08 15:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change OSSL enable option GOD to use IsGod, so it means a active god, as my original idea
2017-01-08 15:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #5308 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: ABORTED -- last SUCCESS #5306 17 hr ago)
2017-01-08 15:06 <AliciaRaven> Ubit, i gave jenkins a poke in the ribs
2017-01-08 15:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5308: SUCCESS in 8 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5308/
2017-01-08 15:12 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: rename OSSL enable option GOD as ACTIVE_GOD so its use is more clear
2017-01-08 15:12 <osjenkins> * melanie: Allow OSSL scripts to softfail
2017-01-08 15:12 <osjenkins> * melanie: Fix a compile issue and reintroduce the "GOD" script option
2017-01-08 15:12 <osjenkins> * melanie: Revert "Allow OSSL scripts to softfail"
2017-01-08 15:12 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add the new GOD ossl option to osslEnable.ini
2017-01-08 15:12 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8117: fix llSetPhysicsMaterial, using proper LSL_float type
2017-01-08 15:12 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: restore argument name material_bits
2017-01-08 15:12 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: try to improve option automatic_gods processing
2017-01-08 15:13 <Ubit> nice
2017-01-08 15:13 <AliciaRaven> there we go :)
2017-01-08 15:34 <osmantis> Bug #8117:04 llSetPhysicsMaterial cannot be virtually used due to the compilation error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8117 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-08 15:35 <osmantis> Bug #8117:04 llSetPhysicsMaterial cannot be virtually used due to the compilation error. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8117 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2017-01-09 19:30 <Plugh> When ini files are read and it hits an "include" statement, the include file is added to the queue of files to read and it will read the next file in the queue after it finishes reading the current file?
2017-01-09 19:31 <Ubit> think it is in place...
2017-01-09 19:31 <Ubit> but didn't test
2017-01-09 19:32 <Ubit> comun sense points to inplace
2017-01-09 19:32 <Plugh> It could either start reading the included file as soon as it hits the include statement or delay until it finishes reading the current file.
2017-01-09 19:32 <Ubit> but that is done by a external lib
2017-01-09 19:32 <Plugh> inplace meaning it starts reading the include file right away?
2017-01-09 19:32 <Ubit> yeap
2017-01-09 19:33 <Ubit> you can test
2017-01-09 19:33 <Plugh> ok, that would be good. I need to add some config changes but I want to put them in a file to be read last.
2017-01-09 19:33 <Plugh> yeah.
2017-01-09 19:33 <Ubit> set a variable on a include
2017-01-09 19:33 <Ubit> the set it again after the include
2017-01-09 19:33 <Plugh> It would be a lot simpler if you could have the same section name appear twice in a single file and it would merge the contents of the sections.
2017-01-09 19:33 <Ubit> with other value :)
2017-01-09 19:33 <Plugh> Right.
2017-01-09 19:33 <Ubit> it overrides values
2017-01-09 19:34 <Plugh> It replaces the entire section
2017-01-09 19:34 <Ubit> that is how defaults and opensim.ini work
2017-01-09 19:34 <Ubit> opensim.ini overides defaults
2017-01-09 19:35 <Ubit> no.. it overides values on sections
2017-01-09 19:35 <Ubit> not all section
2017-01-09 19:35 <Plugh> Overrides values that are in same section but different ini files. If a section appears a second time in the same file it wipes out the settings from the first occurance of the section and only uses the new occurance
2017-01-09 19:35 <Ubit> sure
2017-01-09 19:36 <Ubit> values names are per section
2017-01-09 19:36 <Plugh> It makes it a pain if you just want to cat all the ini files together in to one file.
2017-01-09 19:36 <Ubit> dif section is a diferent thing
2017-01-09 19:36 <Ubit> makes sense as it is
2017-01-09 19:36 <Plugh> sort of
2017-01-09 19:37 <Ubit> you can also override opensim.ini with something you get from network
2017-01-09 19:37 <Plugh> I wrote an ini reader that always merged sections.
2017-01-09 19:37 <Ubit> why no use the lib we use ?
2017-01-09 19:38 <Plugh> Because it doesn't merge data from two different sections that have the same name when those two sections are in the same file.
2017-01-09 19:38 <Ubit> hmmm ok
2017-01-09 19:39 <Plugh> There are certain sections such as [Messaging] that exist in different ini files. If you cat the two files in to one you won't wind up getting the settings from both [Messaging] sections. You will wind up with only the set of settings from the last [Messaging] section that got read.
2017-01-09 19:39 <Plugh> I've been told this is a "feature". :P
2017-01-09 19:40 <Ubit> well it kinda is
2017-01-09 19:40 <Ubit> having same section in several places on a file is .. odd :)
2017-01-09 19:40 <Plugh> It isn't the way I would handle the situation and I don't know of a switch to change that behaviour.
2017-01-09 19:40 <Ubit> but that is not our code
2017-01-09 19:40 <Ubit> is the lib we use
2017-01-09 19:40 <Plugh> yeah.
2017-01-09 19:40 <Plugh> It is in Nini, IIRC
2017-01-09 19:41 <Ubit> yeap :)
2017-01-09 19:42 <Plugh> It may be unusual to have all settings in one. I have a file with custom settings to override defaults and ones in OpenSim.ini
2017-01-09 19:43 <Plugh> I at first combined all the ini files in to one file in the order they would be read and added my custom settings at the end. That becomes a problem due to the sections that appear in multiple files.
2017-01-09 19:43 <Ubit> hmm thing if you add a comand line parameter with a config fie it does that
2017-01-09 19:44 <Ubit> that file will override opensim.ini and defaults
2017-01-09 19:44 <Ubit> mel can tell u better
2017-01-09 19:45 <Plugh> One of the settings makes it read all .ini files in the directory which is a problem if you leave in an ini that you don't really want it to read (ie. Robust when handling an instance)
2017-01-09 19:45 <Ubit> don't think regions read robust.ini and vice versa
2017-01-09 19:46 <Ubit> that whould smoke
2017-01-09 19:46 <Plugh> If files named in include statements are processed as soon as the include statement is hit then I can change my file with custom settings to start with just a bunch of includes then have my settings and that will avoid issues and keep things simple for me.
2017-01-09 19:47 <Ubit> original include mean was..  "insert here"
2017-01-09 19:47 <Plugh> yea. If you left a Robust.ini in an instance dir by mistake it could happen if you used a command line switch to tell it the name of a dir containing ini files to read.
2017-01-09 19:47 <Ubit> don't see how enqueue and do later could work..
2017-01-09 19:47 <Plugh> yea, that would be good.
2017-01-09 19:48 <Plugh> I have this vague memory that files listed in includes were queued to be read.
2017-01-09 19:48 <Ubit> well can't tell, never tested and lazy to test it now :p
2017-01-09 19:50 <Plugh> I'm going to test it. It would simplify things so I could have an ini when it will be processed by my grid management program and then easily be used when I need to run a process outside the management program when testing is being done.
2017-01-09 19:50 <Plugh> The less I have to change things the better.
2017-01-09 19:50 <Plugh> hm... time is getting on. I need to make a run to the stores before it gets too much later.
2017-01-09 19:51 <Ubit> mel knows all about this
2017-01-09 19:51 <Ubit> ask her later :)
2017-01-09 19:52 <Plugh> I may not need to ask. Mel often adds her knowledge to a discussion when she sees it later on.
2017-01-09 19:55 <Plugh> time to head to the stores. bbl.
2017-01-09 21:09 <Melanie_T> when an include is hit, the file is queued
2017-01-09 21:10 <Melanie_T> once the current run is done, the queued files are read and all second level includes are read and so on
2017-01-09 21:10 <Ubit> outch
2017-01-09 21:10 <Melanie_T> this ensures that the deepest level of includes overrides higher levels
2017-01-09 21:10 <Melanie_T> the principle of "more specifics"
2017-01-09 21:10 <Melanie_T> a single section in a single files, later sections replace prior ones
2017-01-09 21:10 <Ubit> well it is a principle
2017-01-09 21:11 <Melanie_T> but includes containing existing sections are merged
2017-01-09 21:11 <Melanie_T> that multiple occurrences of a section don't get merges within a single ile is nini behaviour
2017-01-09 21:11 <Melanie_T> we have no control of it
2017-01-09 21:12 <Ubit> yeap i told that to plugh
2017-01-09 21:13 <Ubit> that include handling is now what i expected.. but well it is what it is
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2017-01-10 04:40 <Jsync> Has anybody implemented a media server software which is accessed via httpFunctions yet?
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2017-01-10 19:07 <Plugh> Time for the weekly Open Simulator developer meeting in osgrid.
2017-01-10 22:47 <djphil> Do you also have Avatar Picker broken with latest version of FireStorm ?
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2017-01-11 01:43 <nebadon> Misterblue I just updated my Raspberry pi to latest code, and it seems like BulleXNA might be broken or something with vehicle
2017-01-11 01:43 <nebadon> vehicle no longer turns
2017-01-11 01:44 <nebadon> it goes forward and backward but no steering anymore
2017-01-11 01:44 <nebadon> using Cuteulalas Mars Rover
2017-01-11 01:46 <nebadon> region is OKC Raspberry Pi2 on OSgrid if you want to see or grab the rover
2017-01-11 01:47 <Ubit> don't remember changes on bullet
2017-01-11 01:47 <Ubit> well it is turning on ubode
2017-01-11 01:48 <nebadon> yea probably works fine on Bullet itself
2017-01-11 01:48 <nebadon> probably just the C# version I guess
2017-01-11 01:50 <Ubit> oops you said xna
2017-01-11 01:50 <nebadon> yea
2017-01-11 01:50 <nebadon> only way to get physics on Arm 
2017-01-11 01:50 <Ubit> never tested that..  but also don't remember changes that could mess it
2017-01-11 01:51 <nebadon> I also upgraded mono, perhaps that is the problem
2017-01-11 01:51 <Ubit> tried clean scripts also?
2017-01-11 01:51 <nebadon> yes
2017-01-11 01:51 <nebadon> i completely purged the whole folder
2017-01-11 01:51 <nebadon> even state files
2017-01-11 01:54 <Ubit> no idea then :(
2017-01-11 01:55 <Ubit> i do remember looking to code related to that, bc of mantis issues, but changed nothing i think
2017-01-11 01:55 <Ubit> problems where on use.. not code
2017-01-11 01:57 <Ubit> pi also doesn't survice ubOde?
2017-01-11 01:57 <nebadon> well it worked not to long ago
2017-01-11 01:57 <nebadon> the vehcile script has not changed
2017-01-11 01:57 <Ubit> yeap ive been there
2017-01-11 01:57 <nebadon> i'll need to try rolling back mono
2017-01-11 01:57 <nebadon> see if its mono or something in opensim itself
2017-01-11 01:58 <nebadon> its running mono 4.8.0
2017-01-11 01:59 <Ubit> well also if ubode works it means we are sending the angular motor
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2017-01-11 17:15 <Ubit> where are u jenkins ?
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2017-01-11 22:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #5312 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-11 22:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5312: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5312/
2017-01-11 22:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: stop using a GetPermissionClass() in GenerateClientFlags since it is not good enough, just process the several cases inline
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2017-01-11 23:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #5313 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-01-11 23:11 <osjenkins> melanie: Also add the ability to quit on SIGTERM for ROBUST
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2017-01-12 17:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #5314 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-12 17:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5314: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5314/
2017-01-12 17:21 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: GenerateClientFlags: consider locked state, change object group; CanRezObject: remove odd elses and group roles are only for group owned land
2017-01-12 17:21 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Add permission CanChangeSelectedState replacing 2 calls to check Move and Modify/edit. As those calls did, this controls changes to objects selected state for edition (simulation hold etc).
2017-01-12 17:32 <Ubit> grrrr why don't ims work with ssl now?  damm
2017-01-12 17:33 <Ubit> love being breaking code on a place and find a totally unrelated issue :p
2017-01-12 18:23 <Ubit> ohh its caching issues
2017-01-12 18:23 <Ubit> turing ssl on and off on testing
2017-01-12 18:24 <Ubit> some regions remember uri as http://
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2017-01-13 17:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #5315 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-13 17:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5315: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5315/
2017-01-13 17:15 <osjenkins> melanie: Harmonize case in Permissions enum
2017-01-13 18:02 <CrasherRob> Hey Ubit, just FYI: Norton removed Warp3D.dll from its blacklist, at least for now. 
2017-01-13 18:21 <Ubit> ok nice
2017-01-13 22:25 <osmantis> Bug #8119:04 Preventing the kicking grid administrator = grid_god with  UserLevel >=200, but less than ImplicitGodLevel = 210 or 220 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8119 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-01-13 22:25 <osmantis> Bug #8119:04 Preventing the kicking grid administrator = grid_god with  UserLevel >=200, but less than ImplicitGodLevel = 210 or 220 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8119 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2017-01-13 22:26 <osmantis> Bug #8119:04 Preventing the kicking grid administrator = grid_god with  UserLevel >=200, but less than ImplicitGodLevel = 210 or 220 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8119 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-01-13 22:34 <osmantis> Bug #8119:04 Preventing the kicking grid administrator = grid_god with  UserLevel >=200, but less than ImplicitGodLevel = 210 or 220 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8119 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-13 22:41 <osmantis> Bug #8119:04 Preventing the kicking grid administrator = grid_god with  UserLevel >=200, but less than ImplicitGodLevel = 210 or 220 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8119 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-01-13 23:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #5316 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-13 23:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5316: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5316/
2017-01-13 23:56 <osjenkins> melanie: Fix the new permissions error introduced with the inventory fix
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2017-01-14 11:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #5317 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-01-14 11:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix: send viewers the Everyone permitions of items inside other objects
2017-01-14 14:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #5318 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-14 14:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5318: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5318/
2017-01-14 14:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix incoerent definition of Slam bit (bits 3 and 4 used in diferent
2017-01-14 16:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #5319 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-14 16:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5319: SUCCESS in 6 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5319/
2017-01-14 16:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make the Slam bit actually be the two previus used ones, to try to minimize compatibilty issues
2017-01-14 16:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #5320 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-01-14 16:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops fix FolderMask acording
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2017-01-14 22:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: permissions GenerateClientFlags() also needs group GetEffectivePermissions() for the everyone case. Current naive uncached GetEffectivePermissions() must be improved since its now a lot more used.
2017-01-14 23:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #5322 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-14 23:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5322: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5322/
2017-01-14 23:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: bad move.. revert
2017-01-15 13:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #5323 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-15 13:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5323: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5323/
2017-01-15 13:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: use of PermissionMask Bit3 for slam was a recent mistake, so make it only bit4 and move folded export to its more natural place as bit3
2017-01-15 16:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #5324 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-15 16:17 <Ubit> you can listen to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Y3m7fisOU   while reading my last commit
2017-01-15 16:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5324: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5324/
2017-01-15 16:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add code for fixing effective permitions. This is a test, and currently too slow for prodution. just finding our way home
2017-01-15 22:14 <evotopid> Hi. I decided to do some fun project with the opensim/second life protocol but I quickly realized that many parts of the documentation are rather lacking. I tried looking at the opensim code base but I had trouble finding what I was looking for. Basically I am wondering about the package layout I found http://lib.openmetaverse.co/wiki/Protocol_(network) which is already great (also wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Packet_Layout) 
2017-01-15 22:14 <evotopid> but they are both a bit different and not worded perfectly clear...
2017-01-15 22:16 <evotopid> If someone has a better ressource or could aim me at the relevant source code sections I guess this would already be cool (I kind of got lost in the large code bases).
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2017-01-16 14:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #5325 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-01-16 15:01 <osjenkins> melanie: Remove the last instance of the legacy slam but being set
2017-01-16 19:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #5326 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-01-16 19:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  chance new effective permissions code to ease aggregation on demand( ie on changes). But still doing full aggregation on checks, so still heavy
2017-01-16 19:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #5327 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-01-16 19:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  avoid lastOwner beeing the group
2017-01-16 19:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #5328 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-01-16 19:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix EffectiveGroupOrEveryOnePerms C&T == 0 case
2017-01-16 20:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #5329 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-01-16 20:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: replace calls to SetOwnerId and SetRootPartOwner by a single new SetOwner() so owner is not changed twice on rootpart
2017-01-16 20:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #5330 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-01-16 20:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove now unused  SetRootPartOwner()
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2017-01-17 00:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: start adding calls to effective permissions aggregation on changes; rearrange code in DuplicateObject();
2017-01-17 01:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #5332 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-01-17 01:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add more calls to effective permissions aggregation; do not change groupmask on deed
2017-01-17 02:06 <osmantis> Bug #8120:04 Various issues with serverside_object_permissions = false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8120 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-01-17 02:17 <osmantis> Bug #8120:04 Various issues with serverside_object_permissions = false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8120 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-01-17 02:24 <osmantis> Bug #8120:04 Various issues with serverside_object_permissions = false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8120 ): has been UPDATED.
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2017-01-17 08:47 <osmantis> Bug #8120:04 Various issues with serverside_object_permissions = false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8120 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-17 09:54 <djphil> opensim.org website load very slowly
2017-01-17 11:46 <osmantis> Bug #8120:04 Various issues with serverside_object_permissions = false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8120 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-17 11:53 <osmantis> Bug #8120:04 Various issues with serverside_object_permissions = false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8120 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-17 12:01 <osmantis> Bug #8120:04 Various issues with serverside_object_permissions = false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8120 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-17 12:05 <osmantis> Bug #8120:04 Various issues with serverside_object_permissions = false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8120 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-17 12:12 <osmantis> Bug #8120:04 Various issues with serverside_object_permissions = false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8120 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-17 12:14 <osmantis> Bug #8120:04 Various issues with serverside_object_permissions = false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8120 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-17 13:20 <osmantis> Bug #8121:04 Feature request for osDetectedFace() within collision event. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8121 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-01-17 13:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #5333 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-01-17 13:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add more calls to effective permissions aggregation, some paths may still be missing on objects changes, but remove the aggregation on check paths, so all can be tested.
2017-01-17 14:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #5334 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-01-17 14:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Permissions module: add GetObjectPermissions() that should replace GenericObjectPermission
2017-01-17 17:44 <osmantis> Bug #8122:04 NonFinite Avatar position detected error #9999902 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8122 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-01-17 19:09 <Plugh> Time for the weekly OpenSim developer meeting in osgrid.
2017-01-17 20:05 <osmantis> Bug #8120:04 Various issues with serverside_object_permissions = false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8120 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-17 20:37 <osmantis> Bug #8120:04 Various issues with serverside_object_permissions = false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8120 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-01-17 22:43 <osmantis> Bug #8120:04 Various issues with serverside_object_permissions = false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8120 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-17 23:14 <osmantis> Bug #7848:04 Incorrect datetime value for column 'TMStamp' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7848 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-01-17 23:19 <osmantis> Bug #8120:04 Various issues with serverside_object_permissions = false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8120 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-17 23:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #5335 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-17 23:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5335: SUCCESS in 5 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5335/
2017-01-17 23:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Permissions module: GenerateClientFlags() no need to keep looking for the same part several times; fix locked mask in GetObjectPermissions()
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2017-01-18 00:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #5336 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-18 00:46 <Ubit> ops
2017-01-18 00:48 <Ubit> it is by GetObjectPermissions   grrr
2017-01-18 00:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5336: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5336/
2017-01-18 00:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Permissions module: replace some GenericObjectPermission by GenericObjectPermission on some checks. Note that in some cases behavour is now diferent.
2017-01-18 01:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #5337 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-18 01:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5337: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5337/
2017-01-18 01:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Permissions module: fix in prim inv CanEditNotecard group edit rights check ( in last commit plz read .. by GetObjectPermissions)
2017-01-18 02:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #5338 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-18 02:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5338: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5338/
2017-01-18 02:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: antecipate baked cache check and Xbakes requests, so they happen before viewer check request (or force it to wait via locking).
2017-01-18 06:17 <osmantis> Bug #8120:04 Various issues with serverside_object_permissions = false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8120 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-18 06:57 <osmantis> Bug #8120:04 Various issues with serverside_object_permissions = false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8120 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-18 08:08 <osmantis> Bug #8120:04 Various issues with serverside_object_permissions = false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8120 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-18 08:25 <osmantis> Bug #8120:04 Various issues with serverside_object_permissions = false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8120 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-18 08:41 <osmantis> Bug #8120:04 Various issues with serverside_object_permissions = false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8120 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-18 09:02 <osmantis> Bug #8120:04 Various issues with serverside_object_permissions = false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8120 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-18 09:06 <djphil> I do not know what happens with the site opensim.org
2017-01-18 09:06 <djphil> At this address all goes well:
2017-01-18 09:06 <djphil> Http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Home
2017-01-18 09:06 <djphil> But here the loading is extremely long:
2017-01-18 09:06 <djphil> Http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Main_Page
2017-01-18 09:06 <djphil> All other pages are working properly
2017-01-18 09:08 <djphil> i see something strange at the bottom of Main_Page ...
2017-01-18 09:08 <djphil> UNIQ25d967005c557be8-cleanpage-00000001-QINU
2017-01-18 09:09 <djphil> i hope you can fix :)
2017-01-18 09:15 <osmantis> Bug #8120:04 Various issues with serverside_object_permissions = false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8120 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-18 09:51 <osmantis> Bug #8120:04 Various issues with serverside_object_permissions = false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8120 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-01-18 10:52 <evotopid> djphil: I think the issue is this template http://opensimulator.org/index.php?title=Template:TWIOSD&action=edit (linking edit page since it loads way faster than the actual page)
2017-01-18 10:53 <evotopid> Essentially the <rss> Tag seems to invoke an extension which fetches the most recent rss entries on each page request...
2017-01-18 10:53 <evotopid> And this template is included twice on the main page
2017-01-18 10:55 <djphil> Yes!
2017-01-18 10:55 <djphil> Probably the rss can be commented out
2017-01-18 10:56 <djphil> The url refer to a dead website
2017-01-18 11:01 <djphil> Ok i do it and now website load nicely :)
2017-01-18 11:01 <djphil> but the "UNIQ6806528dbaa65c6-cleanpage-00000000-QINU" remain there ...
2017-01-18 11:10 <evotopid> djphil: Thanks. :) Basically it seems to be an issue with the clean_page extension which is invoked with the <cleanpage> tag.
2017-01-18 11:10 <djphil> i don't know this wiki extansion
2017-01-18 11:11 <djphil> What is she doing ?
2017-01-18 11:11 <evotopid> Well apparently the linked page in Special:Version is dead too :/
2017-01-18 11:11 <djphil> He not really cleaning lol
2017-01-18 11:11 <evotopid> Normally Mediawiki lists all categories, which a page is inside, at the bottom in a box.
2017-01-18 11:12 <evotopid> Apparently it was used to hide this box on the main page.
2017-01-18 11:12 <djphil> Page special version working for me here
2017-01-18 11:12 <evotopid> It could be hidden with a CSS rule like #catlinks { display: none; } but this would yet again require a way to include CSS on the main page and I think you need an extension for this.
2017-01-18 11:13 <evotopid> I meant the link "Clean_page" in the section "parser hooks" which is dead.
2017-01-18 11:15 <evotopid> For example that extension could be replaced with https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CSS if an admin had time for that.
2017-01-18 11:16 <djphil> It should not be necessary to hide it ... it was not there before ...
2017-01-18 11:16 <djphil> If it is there is that this extension no longer works well
2017-01-18 11:18 <djphil> you can add some css like this too
2017-01-18 11:18 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css
2017-01-18 11:18 <djphil> maybee more easy ...
2017-01-18 11:18 <evotopid> Common.css applies to all pages and I think the intention was to just hide it on the main page.
2017-01-18 11:19 <djphil> But normally it should just not be there hehe
2017-01-18 11:19 <djphil> yeah or Main.css or somthink lol
2017-01-18 11:20 <djphil> Is better to put this extension out or uptodate ...
2017-01-18 11:40 <evotopid> I think there is no up to date version of this extension as it was custom made. However I agree it should be removed and, if needed, be changed with a css rule (ideally with the CSS extension which seems to receive a lot of support). But anyway I think it would be awesome if someone could update the wiki to MediaWiki 1.27 (LTS) just for security reasons already. Given that it requires PHP 5.5.9 or higher I guess this could 
2017-01-18 11:40 <evotopid> be a rather costly update though. 
2017-01-18 11:44 <djphil> from 1.17 to 1.28 is hard lol
2017-01-18 11:45 <djphil> probaly you need to pase by a intermediate version to update (like 1.5)
2017-01-18 11:45 <djphil> update_1.5.php is removed after ...
2017-01-18 11:46 <djphil> i mean i the next releases of mediawiki
2017-01-18 11:46 <djphil> update obselet wiki is a pita ^^
2017-01-18 11:49 <djphil> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/MW/browse/REL1_28/RELEASE-NOTES-1.28;c9bf3f5f59d81717c7b5061d8406e1294fde4f63$301
2017-01-18 11:49 <djphil> Good luck !
2017-01-18 21:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #5339 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-18 21:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5339: SUCCESS in 6 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5339/
2017-01-18 21:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: enforce effective perms hierarchy
2017-01-18 22:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #5340 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-18 22:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5340: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5340/
2017-01-18 22:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few more changes on Permissions module
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2017-01-19 00:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #5341 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-19 01:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5341: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5341/
2017-01-19 01:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a GetItemPermissions() to be used use on object contents checks in Permissions module
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2017-01-19 10:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #5342 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-01-19 10:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few more aux methods and changes
2017-01-19 11:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #5343 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-19 11:38 <Ubit> err permissions module also is not shared :)
2017-01-19 11:38 <Ubit> hmm forgot jenkis.. he may not be happy on this
2017-01-19 11:42 <Ubit> hmm odd take and takecopy should be checked on more places.. hmm
2017-01-19 11:43 <Ubit> mb not
2017-01-19 11:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5343: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5343/
2017-01-19 11:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: object Take and TakeCopy are for in scene SOPs and SPs and permitions module is NOT a shared module
2017-01-19 11:43 <Ubit> oh? cool
2017-01-19 12:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #5344 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-19 12:37 <Ubit> oops Iclients and permissions  grrr
2017-01-19 12:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5344: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5344/
2017-01-19 12:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: object CanMove is for in scene SOGs Icleints and SPs and permitions module is NOT a shared module
2017-01-19 12:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #5345 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-19 12:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5345: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5345/
2017-01-19 12:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a null check
2017-01-19 13:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #5346 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-19 13:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5346: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5346/
2017-01-19 13:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add CanEdit check for SOGs, iclients and SPs that need to be in scene and use it
2017-01-19 13:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #5347 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-19 13:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5347: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5347/
2017-01-19 13:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a comment about parts permissions aggregation
2017-01-19 17:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #5348 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-19 17:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5348: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5348/
2017-01-19 17:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change CanDeedObject. WARNING like on other grids, if you do not set next owner rights on object and ALL ITS CONTENTS, you may loose all rights on it
2017-01-19 18:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #5349 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-19 18:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5349: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5349/
2017-01-19 18:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix the meaning of objectDuplicate[OnRay]() flags parameter but still not using it
2017-01-19 18:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #5350 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-19 18:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5350: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5350/
2017-01-19 18:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: actually make use of it as viewers requested
2017-01-19 19:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #5351 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-19 19:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5351: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5351/
2017-01-19 19:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change CanDuplicateObject
2017-01-19 20:40 <osmantis> Bug #8121:04 Feature request for osDetectedFace() within collision event. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8121 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-01-20 22:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #5352 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-20 22:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5352: FAILURE in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5352/
2017-01-20 22:09 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove redundant IsGod, rename some GOD as Administrator (both only on permissions module)
2017-01-20 22:09 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change CanObjectEntry() to use a SOG
2017-01-20 22:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #5353 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5351 1 day 3 hr ago)
2017-01-20 22:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5353: STILL FAILING in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5353/
2017-01-20 22:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: test jenkins
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2017-01-20 23:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #5354 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #5351 1 day 4 hr ago)
2017-01-20 23:41 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2017-01-20 23:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5354: FIXED in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5354/
2017-01-20 23:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a null ref on jenkins
2017-01-21 00:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #5355 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2017-01-21 00:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5355: FAILURE in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5355/
2017-01-21 00:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Oops.. fix the null on the correct place.. jenkis may now fail for another reason
2017-01-21 00:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #5356 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5354 54 min ago)
2017-01-21 00:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5356: STILL FAILING in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5356/
2017-01-21 00:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: set a sane default region ObjectCapacity
2017-01-21 00:37 <osmantis> Bug #8121:04 Feature request for osDetectedFace() within collision event. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8121 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-21 00:37 <osmantis> Bug #8121:04 Feature request for osDetectedFace() within collision event. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8121 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-01-21 00:39 <osmantis> Bug #8019:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp() is producing RLVa assertion failure 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8019 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-01-21 02:07 <Dayna> I posted this on the forums, but I wanted to double check with you all.  Here it is.  One of my servers was hit by the mkgoro@india.com Ransomware. My question is this the server held the Sim and Robust information, but the SQL files are on another server that didn't get hit. So I'm wondering if I can restore the Sims and the inventories from MySQL? I'll attach the picture of the Ransomware notice. Maybe someone is able to shed s
2017-01-21 02:07 <Dayna> Screenshot brokensoundentertainment.com/Server-1.png
2017-01-21 02:08 <Dayna> Now I was told as long as the MySQL Database is on a non corrupted server I just reinstall OpenSIM?
2017-01-21 02:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #5357 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #5354 2 hr 55 min ago)
2017-01-21 02:36 <Dayna> Anyone know if that is the right thing to do?
2017-01-21 02:37 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2017-01-21 02:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5357: FIXED in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5357/
2017-01-21 02:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: initialize SimwideArea
2017-01-21 02:44 <Ubit> sorry Dayna i can't help u on that :(
2017-01-21 02:47 <Dayna> No worries.  I just want to make sure before I clean and reformat the server.
2017-01-21 02:49 <Dayna> I am crossing my fingers. 
2017-01-21 02:51 <Melanie_T> Dayna: the MySQL is really all the irreplaceale info
2017-01-21 02:51 <Melanie_T> the sim servers may hold script state files that would be inconvenient to users to lose
2017-01-21 02:51 <Dayna> So as long as that is fine I should be able to load my avies and SIMs with the inventories
2017-01-21 02:52 <Melanie_T> and obviously, unless you have backed up your configuration, you have a bit of a job in getting them set up to work again
2017-01-21 02:52 <Dayna> That is one thing we did do.  We made a template for it
2017-01-21 02:52 <Melanie_T> if your sims store prims, etc, on a local MySQL server, those MAY be lost
2017-01-21 02:52 <Melanie_T> if the server that was compromised was a sim server
2017-01-21 02:53 <Melanie_T> but you said it was robust only and contained no database
2017-01-21 02:53 <Melanie_T> so you should be safe
2017-01-21 02:53 <Melanie_T> however
2017-01-21 02:53 <Melanie_T> take heed of this occurrence
2017-01-21 02:53 <Dayna> I just thought about that the other day.
2017-01-21 02:53 <Melanie_T> switch to linux
2017-01-21 02:55 <Dayna> We have all the MySQL stuff on a separate server.  I'm not good at command line.  Is there a Linux Gui that is better than the other?
2017-01-21 02:56 <Melanie_T> what would you want a GUI for?
2017-01-21 02:57 <Melanie_T> these are SERVERS
2017-01-21 02:57 <Melanie_T> they're not supposed to waste compute resources on displaying images
2017-01-21 02:57 <Dayna> lol
2017-01-21 02:57 <Melanie_T> they are supposed to serve sism
2017-01-21 02:57 <Melanie_T> sims
2017-01-21 02:57 <Dayna> So unbutu is probably the best bet?
2017-01-21 02:58 <Melanie_T> servers should be installed to be headless
2017-01-21 02:58 <Melanie_T> no GUI
2017-01-21 02:58 <Melanie_T> no screen
2017-01-21 02:58 <Dayna> I do need to brush up on command line.  Been since the DOS days.  
2017-01-21 03:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #5358 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2017-01-21 03:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5358: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5358/
2017-01-21 03:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change the initialization point of SimwideArea
2017-01-21 05:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #5359 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-01-21 05:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix CanObjectEntry and CanTerraformLand group permissions
2017-01-21 06:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #5360 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-01-21 06:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix llScriptDanger(); don't call old ScriptDamage on ossl health functions
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2017-01-21 10:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #5361 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-21 10:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5361: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5361/
2017-01-21 10:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add/fix CanRunScript
2017-01-21 11:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #5362 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-21 11:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5362: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5362/
2017-01-21 11:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix CanReturnObjects
2017-01-21 14:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #5363 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-21 14:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5363: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5363/
2017-01-21 14:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few more changes on permissions
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2017-01-22 03:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #5364 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-01-22 03:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: work around group sharing and owned permitions issues, fix a non copy objects delete issue
2017-01-22 05:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #5365 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-22 05:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5365: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5365/
2017-01-22 05:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: share before groupr roles was a testing elsewhere induced mistake, clean it up
2017-01-22 21:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #5366 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-22 21:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5366: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5366/
2017-01-22 21:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: don't let part lastowner be the group
2017-01-22 23:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #5367 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-22 23:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5367: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5367/
2017-01-22 23:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: replace calls to SOG.GetEffectivePermissions() by the new SOG.EffectiveOwnerPerms, some of those inline permissions checks should be reviewed and pass by permissions module
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2017-01-23 03:19 <Plugh> hm... Offline IM V1 vs V2?
2017-01-23 14:02 <jairo_>  Hello everyone, could anyone help me out of a doubt !!! There is sloodle to connect opensim with moodle 2.9
2017-01-23 15:09 <djphil> jairo_, Yes, Sloodle provide some tools to interact with Moodle into OpenSim virtual environment. Not sure about Moodle version ...
2017-01-23 15:16 <jairo_> I'm working with moodle version 2.9. And I do not find sloodle to help me with this connection.
2017-01-23 15:23 <djphil> You may need to update the Sloodle code to be compatible with your version v2.9. This is not certain but this is possible ...
2017-01-23 15:24 <djphil> The last one from Sloodle say "SLOODLE 2.1 for Moodle 2.7 (zip)"
2017-01-23 15:24 <djphil> for 2.7 ...
2017-01-23 15:24 <djphil> and "no tested" ^^
2017-01-23 15:57 <jairo_>  I work with that version 2.1 of sloodle and I did not work for my moodle 2.9
2017-01-23 18:05 <Priestov> hi all
2017-01-23 18:06 <Priestov> after compile version 11.01.2017, money server not working. I think was changed variable for sale.
2017-01-23 18:15 <Priestov> version 31.12.2016 working
2017-01-23 18:21 <Priestov> and printscreen http://prnt.sc/dzcjv8
2017-01-23 19:13 <Plugh> Priestov: What money module system are you using?
2017-01-23 19:14 <Priestov> DTL/NSL
2017-01-23 19:15 <Plugh> ok.
2017-01-23 19:15 <Plugh> Which version of OpenSim are you using?
2017-01-23 19:16 <Priestov> 0.9.1.1
2017-01-23 19:16 <Plugh> I know someone who is using DTL/NSL with OpenSim 0.8 so it does work.
2017-01-23 19:16 <Priestov> yes
2017-01-23 19:16 <Plugh> ok, I suspected as much.
2017-01-23 19:16 <Priestov> 0.8 not problem
2017-01-23 19:17 <Priestov> problem with 0.9
2017-01-23 19:18 <Priestov> there may be other money modules?
2017-01-23 19:18 <Plugh> I was just pointing out that the code was working. There have been a lot of changes in the OS code for between 0.8 and 0.9 so the module would need to be updated and tested for use against 0.9
2017-01-23 19:19 <Plugh> I have heard of a module for using micropayments with PayPal but I've never tried it.
2017-01-23 19:20 <Plugh> If you are ok with giving up some of the control of the money system there is Virwox or Gloebit.
2017-01-23 19:20 <Plugh> I don't know if anyone has tried to update the DTL/NSL money system. I have a copy of the code on my machine but I don't have the time or interest right now to try making it work with 0.9
2017-01-23 19:26 <Priestov> im download source code from 0.9 DTL/NSL module, and compile, but in v.0.9 lots of bugsfix
2017-01-23 19:26 <Priestov> sorry for my english
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2017-01-24 17:43 <osmantis> Bug #8123:04 Crashes on Start 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8123 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-01-24 18:01 <osmantis> Bug #6824:04 script method to get/set materials textures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6824 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-24 19:01 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid
2017-01-24 21:46 <Ubit> oops was lost at rl during the meeting hours
2017-01-24 21:46 <Ubit> any issue ?
2017-01-24 21:56 <misterblue> there was someone asking about building ODE... didn't know which version in opensim-libs was the latest
2017-01-24 21:58 <Ubit> its the 3.. mod one
2017-01-24 21:58 <osmantis> Bug #6824:04 script method to get/set materials textures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6824 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-24 21:59 <Ubit> i mean 0.13,1mod :)
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2017-01-25 06:17 <Timecop>  Fatal error: Could not load type 'jOpenSim.Search.jOpenSimSearch' from assembly 'jOpenSim.Search, Version=0.3.0.3, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null'.
2017-01-25 06:17 <Timecop> can tell me if i can fix this
2017-01-25 16:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #5368 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-25 17:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5368: FAILURE in 5 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5368/
2017-01-25 17:04 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix a bug in CanCopyObjectInventory; add CanDoObjectInvToObjectInv ( not wired)
2017-01-25 17:04 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  make use of CanDoObjectInvToObjectInv
2017-01-25 18:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #5369 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5367 2 days 19 hr ago)
2017-01-25 18:16 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2017-01-25 18:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5369: FIXED in 5 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5369/
2017-01-25 18:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix test setup
2017-01-25 19:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #5370 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2017-01-25 19:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5370: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5370/
2017-01-25 19:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add and use CanDropInObjectInv
2017-01-25 20:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #5371 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-25 20:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5371: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5371/
2017-01-25 20:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  CHANGED ALLOWED_DROP should only trigger if user has no MOD rights
2017-01-26 02:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #5372 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-26 02:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5372: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5372/
2017-01-26 02:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubOde: update prim mass when changing Density
2017-01-26 13:03 <djphil> When creating an avatar, what determines which part of avatar is worn? Is it the simple fact that this avatar part is located in the "current equipment" folder? Is that enough?
2017-01-26 13:04 <djphil> "current outfit"*
2017-01-26 13:05 <djphil> or is there a field somewhere in the database that determines that item is worn?
2017-01-26 15:14 <Priestov> hi all
2017-01-26 15:25 <acryline> Hello, which is the meaning of the assetType 24. Thank you!
2017-01-26 15:27 <AliciaRaven> acryline, assetType 24 is a link
2017-01-26 15:28 <Ubit> yeap link
2017-01-26 15:28 <acryline> ok thanks ! :)
2017-01-26 15:28 <AliciaRaven> djphil "current outfit" folder is what determins what is worn, should be links only in there but i think it will work with all types
2017-01-26 15:29 <AliciaRaven> Ubit, is that right? not 100% sure myself
2017-01-26 15:30 <Ubit> guess they do work anywhere now
2017-01-26 15:30 <acryline> And when we use fsassets assetId is in the trable fsasstes?
2017-01-26 15:30 <acryline> table
2017-01-26 15:30 <acryline> fsassets 
2017-01-26 15:34 <AliciaRaven> yes, assetID points to a hash that idendifies the file on the disk
2017-01-26 15:35 <acryline> Thank you, I think that it was my error.
2017-01-26 16:07 <djphil> tanks Alicia
2017-01-26 20:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #5373 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-26 20:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5373: SUCCESS in 5 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5373/
2017-01-26 20:08 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  remove SOP.AttachPoint, redundant( and incoerent) with SOG.AttachmentPoint
2017-01-26 20:08 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  remove unused and wrong methods
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2017-01-26 23:47 <osmantis> Bug #8108:04 Link number changes after reboot region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8108 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-27 12:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #5374 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-01-27 12:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  Permissions modules where made NONShared modules. Make them so, removing incoerences and their potencial bugs
2017-01-27 13:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #5375 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-27 13:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5375: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5375/
2017-01-27 13:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: bug fix: wrong enabled check
2017-01-27 20:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #5376 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-27 20:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5376: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5376/
2017-01-27 20:32 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: parcels must be loaded before objects, so they can be added to them
2017-01-27 20:32 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  several changes relative to objects return and parcel prim counts: avoid null refs, report correct count of returned objects, make obkects counts by ownership coerent with return rules, etc
2017-01-27 21:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #5377 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-27 21:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5377: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5377/
2017-01-27 21:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix SimwideArea again
2017-01-27 21:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #5378 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-01-27 21:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5378: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5378/
2017-01-27 21:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  update parcel select or sat on stats on sit and stand
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2017-01-28 20:08 <Priestov> hello
2017-01-28 20:09 <Priestov> how soon is expected to release 0.9.x?
2017-01-28 21:19 <Plugh> Priestov: There is no specific date set for its release.
2017-01-28 21:21 <Priestov> Plugh: thx
2017-01-28 21:22 <Plugh> yw
2017-01-28 21:22 <Priestov> even approximately?))))
2017-01-28 21:23 <Plugh> Take this with a very large dose of salt. A few months, maybe?? 
2017-01-28 21:23 <Priestov> oh)))
2017-01-28 21:23 <Plugh> It might be sooner of or it might be later. Depends on how long some of the items near the top of the to do list take to complete.
2017-01-28 21:25 <Priestov> a few months ago Diva spoke about the imminent release. Apparently a lot of bugs appeared after.
2017-01-28 21:26 <Plugh> It isn't so much that a bunch of bugs suddenly appeared. There is an area of the code that a couple of the developers have gotten around to examining more closely.
2017-01-28 21:31 <Priestov> critical errors?
2017-01-28 21:34 <Priestov> im use build 0.9.1 31.12.2016, and I no found critical errors affecting the job. But the assembly work after 31.12.2016 worse. They changed the variables that use some plug-ins.
2017-01-28 21:41 <Plugh> I know some of the things being worked on are important.
2017-01-28 21:42 <Plugh> I'm finally able to build GIMP again but without Python support. First time I've been able to build it in four months.
2017-01-28 21:42 <Priestov> ))
2017-01-28 21:42 <Priestov> congrtulations!)
2017-01-28 21:43 <Plugh> d'oh. Wrong channel. :)
2017-01-28 21:46 <Plugh> bbl. 
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2017-01-30 11:40 <osmantis> Bug #8124:04 WARNING: llcorehttp/_httppolicy.cpp and cannot access CAPS/EQG url with Bad Gateway (Http_502) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8124 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-01-30 11:45 <osmantis> Bug #8124:04 WARNING: llcorehttp/_httppolicy.cpp and cannot access CAPS/EQG url with Bad Gateway (Http_502) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8124 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-01-30 14:53 <osmantis> Bug #8124:04 WARNING: llcorehttp/_httppolicy.cpp and cannot access CAPS/EQG url with Bad Gateway (Http_502) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8124 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-30 15:01 <osmantis> Bug #8124:04 WARNING: llcorehttp/_httppolicy.cpp and cannot access CAPS/EQG url with Bad Gateway (Http_502) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8124 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-01-30 15:01 <osmantis> Bug #8124:04 WARNING: llcorehttp/_httppolicy.cpp and cannot access CAPS/EQG url with Bad Gateway (Http_502) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8124 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-01-31 19:03 <Plugh> The weekly Open SImulator developer meeting in osgrid is about to start.
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2017-02-01 16:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #5379 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-02-01 16:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5379: SUCCESS in 7 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5379/
2017-02-01 16:42 <osjenkins> * melanie: Activate the new Offline IM module code instead of the old code
2017-02-01 16:42 <osjenkins> * melanie: Disable spam in profiles module. Modules should not say they're disabled.
2017-02-01 16:42 <osjenkins> * melanie: Comment some more debug and squelch another module not running msg.
2017-02-01 16:42 <osjenkins> * melanie: Make it possible to override the URL module
2017-02-01 16:42 <osjenkins> * melanie: Comment two very spammy debug messages that the usr can't do anything about
2017-02-01 16:42 <osjenkins> * melanie: Make negative asset caching actually work
2017-02-01 16:42 <osjenkins> * melanie: Secure sim stats with an (optional) password.
2017-02-01 16:42 <osjenkins> * melanie: Refactor asset handling as per Ubit's suggestion
2017-02-01 16:42 <osjenkins> * melanie: Refactor part II
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2017-02-02 15:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #5380 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-02-02 15:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5380: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5380/
2017-02-02 15:40 <osjenkins> * melanie: Correct whimsical spelling on a log message
2017-02-02 15:40 <osjenkins> * melanie: Fix an error that would cause a rebake loop on HG grids
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2017-02-04 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #8123:04 Crashes on Start 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8123 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-02-04 20:28 <osmantis> Bug #8123:04 Crashes on Start 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8123 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2017-02-04 21:43 <osmantis> Bug #8056:04 llVolumeDetect(TRUE); fails on region restart/bootup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8056 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-02-05 01:35 <osmantis> Bug #6911:04 [SCRIPT] Problem with special chars on text over prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6911 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-02-05 03:46 <osmantis> Bug #8125:04 Crashes on Start 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8125 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-02-05 13:27 <osmantis> Bug #8125:04 Crashes on Start 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8125 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-02-05 13:30 <osmantis> Bug #8125:04 Crashes on Start 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8125 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-02-05 14:01 <osmantis> Bug #8125:04 Crashes on Start 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8125 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-02-05 14:12 <osmantis> Bug #6911:04 [SCRIPT] Problem with special chars on text over prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6911 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-02-05 14:48 <osmantis> Bug #6911:04 [SCRIPT] Problem with special chars on text over prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6911 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-02-05 16:48 <osmantis> Bug #7925:04 3X CPU use on Mono 4.4.0.182 over 4.2.3.4 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7925 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-02-05 16:54 <Plugh> um... why was that marked resolved when there is nothing in the bug report to indicate what was done to fix the problem.
2017-02-05 17:38 <osmantis> Bug #7391:04 Messages sent with llRegionSayTo are only received by one listening script per prim (object?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-02-05 17:50 <osmantis> Bug #7925:04 3X CPU use on Mono 4.4.0.182 over 4.2.3.4 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7925 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-02-05 18:46 <osmantis> Bug #7391:04 Messages sent with llRegionSayTo are only received by one listening script per prim (object?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-02-05 19:48 <osmantis> Bug #8126:04 Opnesim.ini documentation suggests an illegal combination of Public Port and Private IP 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8126 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-02-05 19:49 <osmantis> Bug #8126:04 Opensim.ini documentation suggests an illegal combination of Public Port and Private IP 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8126 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-02-05 20:41 <osmantis> Bug #8125:04 Crashes on Start 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8125 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-02-05 21:39 <osmantis> Bug #8125:04 Crashes on Start 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8125 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-02-07 05:32 <osmantis> Bug #8127:04 List fetching functions (eg llList2Vector) are dog slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8127 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-02-07 07:42 <osmantis> Bug #8127:04 List fetching functions (eg llList2Vector) are dog slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-02-07 19:10 <Plugh> The weekly OS developer meeting has started in osgrid.
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2017-02-08 17:32 <osmantis> Bug #8128:04 Conditionals do not work within a for loop 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8128 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-02-08 22:09 <osmantis> Bug #8128:04 Conditionals do not work within a for loop 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8128 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-02-09 01:27 <osmantis> Bug #8128:04 Conditionals do not work within a for loop 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8128 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-02-09 03:19 <osmantis> Bug #8128:04 Conditionals do not work within a for loop 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8128 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-02-09 03:26 <osmantis> Bug #8128:04 Conditionals do not work within a for loop 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8128 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-02-10 15:11 <osmantis> Bug #8127:04 List fetching functions (eg llList2Vector) are dog slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-02-11 13:31 <osmantis> Bug #8128:04 Conditionals do not work within a for loop 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8128 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-02-13 11:23 <osmantis> Bug #8129:04 exception when starting robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8129 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2017-02-13 14:41 <FRR> someone here ?
2017-02-13 14:46 <FRR> on 12 Januari , I submitted a request via Mail (opensim-dev@opensimulator.org) for an exstention to OpenSim , I would like to know when this paper is going to be discussed , with other words when I can get an answer
2017-02-13 15:12 <FRR>  <FRR> on 12 Januari , I submitted a request via Mail (opensim-dev@opensimulator.org) for an exstention to OpenSim , I would like to know when this paper is going to be discussed , with other words when I can get an answer
2017-02-13 15:16 <Plugh> I only see one message in the opensim-dev mailing list archive for January and it was a pre-release announcement.
2017-02-13 15:17 <Plugh> FRR: What was it you were proposing?
2017-02-13 15:17 <FRR> strange , I can sent it again ? is the email adress good ?
2017-02-13 15:18 <FRR> someone on this channel said it should go to opensim-dev@opensimulator.org
2017-02-13 15:19 <FRR> I talked with Ubit on this channel and made a whitepaper what i submitted to that e-mail adress
2017-02-13 15:19 <Plugh> yes it is good. Are you subscribed to the list? If not, that might be why the message didn't go through.
2017-02-13 15:20 <FRR> I am not subscribed
2017-02-13 15:21 <FRR> how can i do that ?
2017-02-13 15:27 <FRR> I found it and subscribed , I will sent the message again
2017-02-13 15:27 <Plugh> ok. Most mailing lists want you to be subscribed to the list before it will put through messages. 
2017-02-13 15:28 <FRR> thanks
2017-02-13 15:28 <Plugh> Time for something to eat. bbl.
2017-02-13 15:28 <FRR> I wait for confirmation first it seems
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2017-02-13 20:00 <Priestov> hi all! After rebooting region with Firestorm not  working scripts and lost objects. opensim v 0.9.0
2017-02-13 20:49 <osmantis> Bug #8127:04 List fetching functions (eg llList2Vector) are dog slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-02-13 21:05 <osmantis> Bug #8129:04 exception when starting robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8129 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-02-14 09:43 <Paela> Hello i working on a grid test and use the group module V2 for test i have generat a new DB mysql and the grid answer: 04:41:50 - [GROUPS HANDLER]: Exception Table dbname .os_groups_membership' doesn't exist MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlException: Table 'dbname' doesn't exist
2017-02-14 10:44 <osmantis> Bug #8129:04 exception when starting robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8129 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-02-14 10:46 <osmantis> Bug #8129:04 exception when starting robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8129 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2017-02-15 13:58 <ssm2017> hello. i have upgraded our grid to the last dev version and mono 4.4.2 and some tps are not possible because it says : "NameResolutionFailure". do you have any idea on where to look at ?
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2017-02-15 22:57 <smxy> ssm2017: This is because Mono's behavior has changed. Forware and reverse DNS lookups have to match now.
2017-02-15 22:58 <smxy> Forward* and reverse ...
2017-02-15 23:07 <Plugh> I've run in to too many problem with mono 4.x so I'm using 3.2.8
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2017-02-16 08:00 <osmantis> Bug #8130:04 llSetKeyframedMotion pausing between frames 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8130 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-02-16 08:45 <ssm2017> hello. thank you smxy for attention. the issue is weird because it only happens to 2 simulator servers. i will ask the servers owners to set their reverse dns entry
2017-02-16 09:01 <osmantis> Bug #6391:04 Maptiles persist in old location after region move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-02-16 09:16 <ssm2017> another note smxy this issue did happen after upgrading opensimulator to the last dev version (07c3962). it was running mono 3.2.8 and then i have updated mono the day after
2017-02-16 10:57 <ssm2017> smxy updating to 4.6.2.16 has solved the issue (i hope)
2017-02-16 13:56 <osmantis> Bug #6391:04 Maptiles persist in old location after region move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6391 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-02-16 15:41 <osmantis> Bug #6391:04 Maptiles persist in old location after region move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-02-17 03:21 <osmantis> Bug #7405:04 Unable to HGTP home to a self-hosted region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7405 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-02-17 12:31 <osmantis> Bug #8131:04 Offline messages failing using OfflineMessageModule 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8131 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-02-17 12:34 <osmantis> Bug #8131:04 Offline messages failing using OfflineMessageModule 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8131 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-02-17 22:27 <osmantis> Bug #8131:04 Offline messages failing using OfflineMessageModule 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8131 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-02-17 22:37 <osmantis> Bug #8131:04 Offline messages failing using OfflineMessageModule 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8131 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-02-21 19:02 <Plugh> Time for the weekly meeting in osgrid
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2017-02-22 03:42 <Cuga_> Need help debugging a config issue
2017-02-22 03:43 <Plugh> What's the problem?
2017-02-22 03:43 <Cuga_> A weird issue with UDP
2017-02-22 03:45 <Cuga_> Latest DEV opensim from a couple weeks ago. I can log in from my internal LAN. If I take my laptop somewhere else and try to log in, it hangs, partially logged in. But, if I Hypergrid TP from my SGrid account, it works
2017-02-22 03:46 <Cuga_> Problem only happens logging in directly from the Internet, but TP from OSGrid no problem
2017-02-22 03:47 <Cuga_> I don;t think it's a NAT issue since I can TP there from OSGrid
2017-02-22 03:48 <Cuga_> I've compared console logs between a successful login from inside my home LAN, and from outside firewall, and i can see the step at which it's failing
2017-02-22 03:48 <Cuga_> But a TP from OSGrid account doesn;t have the issue
2017-02-22 03:48 <Cuga_> Any idea where to look?
2017-02-22 03:50 <Plugh> Which operating system are you using?
2017-02-22 03:51 <Cuga_> Macos 10.9 with the latest Mono release
2017-02-22 03:52 <Cuga_> Arris cable modem/gateway
2017-02-22 03:53 <Cuga_> I've turned off all firewalls just to see if that made a difference, but didn't
2017-02-22 03:53 <Cuga_> It's a standalone hypergrid arrangement with everything on port 9000
2017-02-22 03:54 <Plugh> mono can cause problems sometimes. I remember there was something about a problem in a certain version of mono if the reverse IP wasn't set. It was something like that.
2017-02-22 03:55 <Plugh> When your machine isn't used as part of your local LAN, does it have a different IP address?
2017-02-22 03:55 <Cuga_> That could cause it. A reverse lookup on my domain's IP gets an ISP name, not my regular domain
2017-02-22 03:56 <Plugh> I've had a few issues with using mono 4.x so I've been staying on 3.2.8 for now.
2017-02-22 03:57 <Cuga_> The weird thing is, I have no problem commecting from the Internet if I hypergrid TP to it from another grid
2017-02-22 03:57 <Cuga_> So the problem is just the process that manages local account login
2017-02-22 03:58 <Cuga_> Or service
2017-02-22 03:59 <Plugh> The same domain names and/or IP addresses are using in the HG TP portion of the configuration as is used in the other areas of the ini file?
2017-02-22 03:59 <Plugh> files
2017-02-22 04:01 <Cuga_> I think so, isn't clear where is the HG TP portion of the configuration
2017-02-22 04:04 <Plugh> I suspect a DNS issue. What name servers are you using when the laptop is part of the home network vs what you are using when you take it somewhere else?
2017-02-22 04:06 <Cuga_> Name servers on home lan are ISP servers, I checked and they are resolving correctly
2017-02-22 04:06 <Cuga_> Checked on both sides
2017-02-22 04:07 <Plugh> Check for differences in DNS lookups between when you are on your home lan vs when you are away from it.
2017-02-22 04:08 <Cuga_> Different IP addresses being resolved?
2017-02-22 04:08 <Plugh> possibly and/or reverse mapping issues.
2017-02-22 04:09 <Plugh> I don't remember what i've seen mentioned in this channel re: certain versions of 4.x mono and DNS.
2017-02-22 04:09 <Cuga_> I could try an older version of Mono too if that makes a difference
2017-02-22 04:10 <Cuga_> But it seems that the OSGrid TP works, the problem is something in the config for the login service, or a bug in the login service in the Dev build
2017-02-22 04:10 <Plugh> That would be an easy thing to check.
2017-02-22 04:11 <Cuga_> If I can confirm my config is correct, it might be a bug
2017-02-22 04:11 <Plugh> Which version of OpenSim are you using?
2017-02-22 04:11 <Cuga_> 0.91
2017-02-22 04:11 <Cuga_> from about 2 weeks ago
2017-02-22 04:11 <Cuga_> maybe 4 weeks
2017-02-22 04:11 <Plugh> ok, so you have your names/ip addresses in the Const section so that reduces chance of an error in the ini file.
2017-02-22 04:13 <Cuga_> Const section? 
2017-02-22 04:13 <Plugh> I'd suggest trying mono 3.2.8 and see how you get on with that.
2017-02-22 04:13 <Plugh> Yes. [Const].
2017-02-22 04:13 <Cuga_> What file is that? OPensim.ini?
2017-02-22 04:13 <Plugh> It is the first section of the OpenSim.ini file.
2017-02-22 04:14 <Cuga_> Checking..
2017-02-22 04:14 <Plugh> It is where you put your URL paths, IP addreses and port numbers. They automatically get used in various other places in the ini files.
2017-02-22 04:14 <Cuga_> Yes, it has http://my.domain:9000
2017-02-22 04:15 <Cuga_> Oh no, http://my.domain
2017-02-22 04:15 <Cuga_> Then PublicPort = 9000
2017-02-22 04:15 <Plugh> right.
2017-02-22 04:15 <Cuga_> PrivatePort = 9001
2017-02-22 04:15 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2017-02-22 04:16 <Cuga_> But these should not be issues if I can TP to the sim from OSGrid, right?
2017-02-22 04:17 <Plugh> You can check forward and reverse lookup on my.domain between home LAN and when you are away to see if there is a difference. You might be able to put some entries in to your /etc/hosts file that your machine can use when doing a name lookup. You can also check if an older mono makes a difference.
2017-02-22 04:18 <Cuga_> Tried that
2017-02-22 04:18 <Plugh> Which part?
2017-02-22 04:19 <Cuga_> Tried putting entry into /etc/hosts
2017-02-22 04:19 <Cuga_> Mapping my domain name to internal LAN IP
2017-02-22 04:19 <Cuga_> But really that's for the opposite problem
2017-02-22 04:20 <Cuga_> Again, I am doubting it;s a DNS issue since I can TP there from external grid.
2017-02-22 04:21 <Cuga_> Or, the login service is using a port that's no used on inbound TP visits
2017-02-22 04:21 <Plugh> I'm thinking it might be because the only thing that changes is your network. Does your machine use the same name servers when it is at home vs when it is not at home?
2017-02-22 04:21 <Cuga_> The domain is hosted at the same name server. All ISP nameservers are resolving to my fixed nameserver
2017-02-22 04:21 <Cuga_> And I'm doing an explicit nslookup to be sure
2017-02-22 04:22 <Cuga_> The difference between a successful TP from another grid and a failed direct login, is the login service
2017-02-22 04:22 <Cuga_> My console log shows the line that it doesn;t reach when I'm trying to log in from the outside
2017-02-22 04:23 <Cuga_> Logging in from inside my lan, this line happens:
2017-02-22 04:23 <Plugh> Double check your login service setup. Look for error messages in the log file. If that isn't helpful, try the older mono.
2017-02-22 04:23 <Cuga_> [LLUDPSERVER]: Handling UseCircuitCode request for nnnnnnn....
2017-02-22 04:24 <Cuga_> Do you kow where the login service config is? I don;t think I've touched it.
2017-02-22 04:24 <Plugh> If everything works at home it makes me thing that your configuration is correct. I can't think of why a bad configuration would work at home but not when you are away unless it is a domain issue.
2017-02-22 04:24 <Plugh> If changing mono doesn't help, you can ask again during the day when others are around who use the more recent versions of mono.
2017-02-22 04:25 <Cuga_> I'm thinking that*something* is still using my internal LAN IP, which would explain why working inside the LAN
2017-02-22 04:25 <Cuga_> I did a grep for 192.168 but found nothing
2017-02-22 04:27 <Cuga_> Should I check for SYSTEMIP in a config?
2017-02-22 04:27 <Plugh> Right. The only place you would put any IP address or domain name would be in [Const].
2017-02-22 04:27 <Plugh> Check your Robust.ini file.
2017-02-22 04:27 <Plugh> um...
2017-02-22 04:27 <Plugh> The ini in the Regions directory.
2017-02-22 04:28 <Cuga_> Checked it
2017-02-22 04:28 <Plugh> What do you have set for InternalAddress and ExternalHostName?
2017-02-22 04:28 <Cuga_> ExternalHostName - my.domain
2017-02-22 04:29 <Cuga_> =
2017-02-22 04:29 <Plugh> ok
2017-02-22 04:29 <Cuga_> InternalPort = 9000
2017-02-22 04:29 <Cuga_> InternalAddress = 0.0.0.0
2017-02-22 04:32 <Plugh> I don't think it is a good idea to use a port address that is also used as one of the two ports you have used in [Const].
2017-02-22 04:32 <Plugh> That still wouldn't explain why it works on the home lan vs when away.
2017-02-22 04:32 <Cuga_> I was wondering about that
2017-02-22 04:33 <Cuga_> Standalone hypergrid config is not well ocumented
2017-02-22 04:33 <Cuga_> Seems many services are on 9000
2017-02-22 04:34 <Plugh> Documentation is generally lacking. There are some people currently working on documenting Hypergrid operations. I hope that will also extend to configuration.
2017-02-22 04:37 <Plugh> I would suggest changing the region port address to something other than your public/private port numbers. Can't think of anything else to suggest other than what I've alread mentioned. 
2017-02-22 04:37 <Cuga_> The docs show an example of Regions.ini with the first region at 9000, the next on 9001, etc
2017-02-22 04:37 <Plugh> If you still have problems try asking tomorrow when more people are around.
2017-02-22 04:37 <Cuga_> In a config with other services all on 9000
2017-02-22 04:37 <Cuga_> OK, when are most here?
2017-02-22 04:38 <Plugh> yes. They would use ports starting at 9000 because the common configuration is grid mode where the public and private ports are 8002 and 8003.
2017-02-22 04:38 <Cuga_> Maybe that's the issue
2017-02-22 04:39 <Cuga_> In OpenSimDefaults.ini there appears to be an http service on 9000 and 9001 too, not clear if this service is acyive
2017-02-22 04:39 <Plugh> It would be worth changing the region port.
2017-02-22 04:39 <Cuga_> I will try changing to 9002 and see if that makes a diff
2017-02-22 04:40 <Cuga_> My login URL doesn;t change, right?
2017-02-22 04:40 <Plugh> A few people here are in Europe so European daytime hours. There will be more people here during North American day time hours.
2017-02-22 04:40 <Plugh> No.
2017-02-22 04:40 <Plugh> No, it wouldn't change.
2017-02-22 04:40 <Cuga_> ok, that's an easy test
2017-02-22 04:40 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2017-02-22 04:40 <Cuga_> Thanks for taking the time to hear
2017-02-22 04:41 <Plugh> I always use different ports for regions vs. the ones in Const of the OpenSim.ini file.
2017-02-22 04:42 <Plugh> np. I'll be interested to hear what winds up fixing your problem.
2017-02-22 04:42 <Cuga_> Part of the challenge with this issue is that each time I make a change, I have to wait till the next day to test it when away from home
2017-02-22 04:42 <Plugh> It is getting late. I'm going afk to do some other things before calling it a night.
2017-02-22 04:42 <Cuga_> kk..  thanks again :)
2017-02-22 04:42 <Plugh> right.
2017-02-22 04:43 <Cuga_> tc Plugh
2017-02-22 04:43 <Plugh> try the port change. Get a copy of mono 3.2.8 ready for use. The other thing you can do is use a dynamic DNS system
2017-02-22 04:43 <Plugh> oh, well. missed.
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2017-02-22 20:39 <snik> hi opensim-devs, I'm looking @ lines 398 to 402 in OpenSim/Region/ClientStack/Linden/Caps/BunchOfCaps/MeshCost.cs and trying to figure out what the  line "if (submesh_offset < 0 || hulls_size == 0)" actually means, in terms of actual mesh geometry 
2017-02-22 20:43 <snik> is it related to linked submesh and a minimum hull size?
2017-02-22 20:50 <snik> some of the mesh stuff I make has the error "Missing physics_convex block" error upon upload & its obviously related to this section of code, server side
2017-02-22 20:51 <snik> so i'd like to try and figure out what that section of code actually checks, in order to problem solve the mesh more efficiently
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2017-02-23 03:18 <Plugh> In Singularity, what does the "Ding" button do that is located at the top of a group chat window?
2017-02-23 20:20 <Aramis^> what type of hash does sras or opensim's version of sras use for detecting duplicate assets?  https://security.googleblog.com/2017/02/announcing-first-sha1-collision.html
2017-02-23 20:33 <AliciaRaven> Aramis^, dont know about sras but fsassets uses SHA256
2017-02-23 20:43 <Aramis^> right, has is mentioned here but not what kind  http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Feature_Proposals/Deduplicating_Asset_Service
2017-02-23 20:45 <AliciaRaven> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.security.cryptography.sha256cryptoserviceprovider(v=vs.110).aspx
2017-02-23 20:50 <Plugh> Aramis^: SRAS also uses sha256
2017-02-23 20:51 <Aramis^> https://github.com/coyled/sras
2017-02-23 20:51 <Aramis^> ok cool thanks
2017-02-23 20:51 <Plugh> From the version of SRAS I have on my machine -> asset_hash = Digest::SHA256.digest(@asset_data).unpack('H*')[0].upcase
2017-02-23 20:52 <Plugh> phew! I've (mostly) finished updating OpenSimSearch and OpenSimProfile to use PDO calls instead of mysql_*.
2017-02-23 20:52 <Plugh> Just need to finish the testing by checking on updates and deletions.
2017-02-23 20:53 <Plugh> bbl
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2017-02-24 19:04 <Plugh> djphil: ping
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2017-02-24 22:55 <djphil> Pong Plugh, hi :)
2017-02-24 22:56 <Plugh> hi, there. 
2017-02-24 22:56 <Plugh> I just pulled latest osguide code. I see you have gone with PDO since I last pulled the code.
2017-02-24 22:57 <djphil> yes
2017-02-24 22:57 <djphil> i update and securise all requests
2017-02-24 22:57 <djphil> with bind param
2017-02-24 22:58 <djphil> i made error ( s ) ?
2017-02-24 22:59 <Plugh> Don't know. I haven't done a full review of the changes. What I did notice is something odd about how you handled parameter binding.
2017-02-24 22:59 <Plugh> I just updated the add-on search and profile modules to use PDO. I provided the named parameters via an array in the execute() call.
2017-02-24 23:00 <Plugh> I noticed you used calls to bind where you were also specifying the parameter type.
2017-02-24 23:00 <Plugh> It is just a different way of doing things compared to what I've been seeing when I looked at using PDO.
2017-02-24 23:01 <djphil> ha ok
2017-02-24 23:01 <Plugh> BTW, you might find this of interest -> https://phpdelusions.net/pdo
2017-02-24 23:01 <Plugh> I have not specified parameter types in any of my PDO calls.
2017-02-24 23:03 <Plugh> Anyway, thanks for the changes. It saves me the work of securing the module. I'll review the changes you made just to satisy myself it is safe to use. I want to use it with a grid.
2017-02-24 23:06 <djphil> Thanks for the link I have from the conference for this weekend now.
2017-02-24 23:06 <djphil> You know, I'm not an expert but happy to share the code with the opensim community.
2017-02-24 23:07 <djphil> It is probably my 1st experience with mysql pdo.
2017-02-24 23:08 <djphil> I appreciate your interest and your concern in providing a reliable code
2017-02-24 23:09 <djphil> This allows me to learn and progress (a little) :)
2017-02-24 23:10 <djphil> i'm working on profil and search too
2017-02-24 23:10 <djphil> but not converted to pdo yet :s
2017-02-24 23:19 <Plugh> djphil: Don't bother converting the addon search and profile modules. I just finished the code changes yesterday. I need to complete testing before I will commit and push the changes.
2017-02-24 23:20 <Plugh> So far, it looks good. I haven't tested deletions or updates to existing data.
2017-02-24 23:20 <Plugh> I also want to optimize the parser.php of the search module by making proper use of prepared statements.
2017-02-24 23:21 <djphil> that good :)
2017-02-24 23:21 <Plugh> it has loops and in those loops it is doing prepare statements. I can move the prepares out of the loops to save a little bit of execution time.
2017-02-24 23:23 <Plugh> I may also changed from using array() to [] but that means it will only work with PHP >= 5.4
2017-02-24 23:23 <djphil> Currently I have a functional web interface for profile (full display but not edition) and for search also, display, addition of event, classifield and inworld search (it works with 0.8.2.1)
2017-02-24 23:23 <Plugh> oh. You are doing a web based interface to the search and profile data?
2017-02-24 23:23 <djphil> yes
2017-02-24 23:24 <Plugh> oh, ok. That's different.
2017-02-24 23:24 <djphil> profil include too webasset (imagick) to display profil pics and classfield prics
2017-02-24 23:24 <djphil> same for groups
2017-02-24 23:24 <Plugh> When I push the PDO based code for the modules you may be able to use some of the code.
2017-02-24 23:25 <Plugh> ok.
2017-02-24 23:25 <djphil> yes probably
2017-02-24 23:25 <djphil> i like use code ... when i understand lol
2017-02-24 23:25 <Plugh> I need to update my standalone to use core groups. The xmlrpc based version of groups I have now uses mysql_* calls and my machine is now running with PHP 7 so that groups code no longer works.
2017-02-24 23:30 <djphil> here too group using mysql, no converted yet
2017-02-24 23:31 <djphil> There are a lot of great work on xmlrpc groups
2017-02-24 23:31 <djphil> Certainly groups v2 will be much easier to do and use
2017-02-24 23:32 <djphil> And I assume that in the future, group v1 will be destined to disappear completely and replaced definitively by group v2
2017-02-24 23:32 <djphil> right ?
2017-02-24 23:34 <djphil> In any case, if I can do something to help you with osmodules, do not hesitate, tell me :)
2017-02-24 23:34 <Plugh> It may eventually disappear. By finding myself needing to migrate to core groups will make me compare the data structure of v1 and v2 groups and work out how to migrate from v1 to v2.
2017-02-24 23:35 <djphil> kk
2017-02-24 23:37 <Plugh> After dinner I may finally get down to documenting some new features of a scripted gadget I've made so I can finish testing it and get it out for sale.
2017-02-24 23:38 <djphil> what do your gadget ?
2017-02-24 23:39 <Plugh> Texture viewer. I added a search feature.
2017-02-24 23:39 <Plugh> I also added another minor feature and changed the look a little bit. The search feature is what I need to document.
2017-02-24 23:40 <djphil> I'm looking forward to seeing this :)
2017-02-24 23:42 <djphil> Have you progressed with Email module (to work with Windows) ?
2017-02-24 23:44 <Plugh> Its on the todo list. Too many other projects in the way.
2017-02-24 23:45 <djphil> hehe :p
2017-02-24 23:45 <Plugh> Once I finish the doc I'm going to be looking at testing changes in permissions code.
2017-02-24 23:45 <Plugh> After that will probably be fixing some problems with the birds module.
2017-02-24 23:46 <djphil> you mean GOD changes ?
2017-02-24 23:46 <Plugh> Once that is done, if I remember, changes to the email module will be closer to the top of the list.
2017-02-24 23:46 <Plugh> I'm looking at a more across the board set of tests of permissions.
2017-02-24 23:46 <Plugh> bbl. dinner is ready.
2017-02-24 23:46 <djphil> hehe, yes, yes, up in the list :)
2017-02-24 23:47 <djphil> Enjoy your meal
2017-02-24 23:47 <djphil> !
2017-02-25 01:04 <djphil> Plugh, are you sure that if you use the array method to bind values, you can determine whether the value should be considered as a string or an integer?
2017-02-25 01:08 <Plugh> AFAIK, it uses the DB schema to determine the type.
2017-02-25 01:09 <Plugh> If it was a problem I would expect to see more use of that form of binding in the example use of PDO.
2017-02-25 01:10 <djphil> In any case, for example, this is simpler with array method
2017-02-25 01:12 <djphil> i'm using the way provided on php.net website
2017-02-25 01:14 <djphil> on this website they say you may have problems with comparison === or ==
2017-02-25 01:15 <djphil> Seems to depend on the method used
2017-02-25 01:16 <Plugh> ok. So far I've just been saving or retrieving data. I don't remember if I have cases where I'm using retrieved data in an if statement so it hasn't been an issue for m.e
2017-02-25 01:20 <djphil> it say +/- the same on phpdelusions website ...
2017-02-25 01:21 <djphil> in the "Binding methods" section
2017-02-25 01:21 <djphil> it say "However, sometimes it's better to set the data type explicitly"
2017-02-25 01:22 <djphil> I have encountered problems with dates for example ...
2017-02-25 01:31 <Plugh> ok. The trick would be to determine when you need to go to that extent and when you don't need to.
2017-02-25 01:31 <djphil> exactly
2017-02-25 01:32 <Plugh> If you don't do more than display data retrieved you may not need that type of binding. If it is just dates, you can ask it to print what you retrieve and see if there might be a simple way to convert what you get in to what you need date wise.
2017-02-25 01:34 <djphil> To feeling ... :p
2017-02-25 16:25 <jakdaniels> ping Plugh
2017-02-25 16:26 <Plugh> pong
2017-02-25 16:26 <jakdaniels> reading back did you say you found problems with the birds module, or is it just you need it have more 'features'? ;)
2017-02-25 16:27 <Plugh> Problem
2017-02-25 16:27 <Plugh> I'm also interested in an additional feature but I was going to have a go at that eventually.
2017-02-25 16:29 <jakdaniels> ok.... I still run birds module here on a number of regions connected to osgrid, I've not come across any problems. These regions run latest dev master, although I only update them every month or two
2017-02-25 16:31 <Plugh> IIRC, some instances will toss an array out of bounds exception from the birds module when an instance is started up where the birds module isn't configured for that region.
2017-02-25 16:31 <Plugh> When I had the birds module in the common OS bin directory and started up the grid some regions wouldn't start because of the birds module even though those regions weren't making use of the birds module.
2017-02-25 16:32 <Plugh> Only a handful of regions had this problem.
2017-02-25 16:32 <Plugh> I think there is some error in the startup code of the module. I haven't had time to review the initialization process of the module.
2017-02-25 16:33 <jakdaniels> ok if you do find problems, let me know, or fork project from github then send me pull requests if you make changes. I also run some regions that do not use birds (but have the module) and not seen this. If the regions have no .ini then the module is disabled so should not do anything
2017-02-25 16:35 <jakdaniels> and tbh I've not had any time to do any opensim things or any module maintenance in the last 6months or so due to other work pressures...
2017-02-25 16:36 <jakdaniels> but things are quiter now and I have more time again until the next big project comes along :)
2017-02-25 16:36 <Plugh> yea, that's the theory. I think it may be doing something it shouldn't during startup. Perhaps it doesn't always recognize it is not enabled.
2017-02-25 16:36 <Plugh> or doesn't detect that soon enough.
2017-02-25 16:37 <Plugh> I've had to stop using the module until I can determine what's going on.
2017-02-25 16:46 <jakdaniels> I should say that the module is always started, but is disabled (even if there's no .ini section in Regions.ini) . This means you can enabled it on console with 'birds-enable'. If you really don't want the module to even start then make sure you do have an .ini section and use 'BirdsModuleStartup=false'
2017-02-25 16:52 <Plugh> ok. That's what I need.
2017-02-25 16:53 <Plugh> hm... 
2017-02-25 16:54 <Plugh> IIRC, the birds ini is in a section named after the region.
2017-02-25 16:55 <Plugh> I will need to create about 300+ entries in the database to have the module fully disabled except for the few regions where I do want to use it.
2017-02-25 17:00 <jakdaniels> you can put parameters in Regions.ini under [regionname] or in an .ini file in addon-modules/OpenSimBirds/config under [regionname]. The module is non shared so needs region specific config (in case of multiple regions on one instance)
2017-02-25 17:10 <Plugh> My grid management software isn't currently set to put any additional information in to the Regions.ini file. I'll have to think about how I'm going to handle this.
2017-02-25 17:11 <Plugh> One option for me is to change the module code so it defaults to fully disabled unless it is provided configuration settings for a region.
2017-02-25 17:24 <jakdaniels> understood. if you want to do the latter then FlockingModule.cs line 133 is your friend ;)
2017-02-25 17:25 <jakdaniels> and line 63 also
2017-02-25 18:01 <Plugh> ok, ty
2017-02-25 21:19 <osmantis> Bug #8132:04 Sit scripts problem 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8132 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-02-25 22:56 <nebadon> y
2017-02-26 01:06 <osmantis> Bug #8130:04 llSetKeyframedMotion not working anymore in 0.9.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8130 ): has been UPDATED.
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2017-02-26 03:05 <neilball2> Whatever happened to the opensimulator forge?
2017-02-26 05:22 <osmantis> Bug #8130:04 llSetKeyframedMotion not working anymore in 0.9.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8130 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-03-30 15:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #5381 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-03-30 15:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5381: SUCCESS in 7 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5381/
2017-03-30 15:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8131: make the new Offline IM code optional and disabled by default, since it is not compatible with current central servers, like in osgrid.
2017-03-30 16:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #5382 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-03-30 16:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add CanSellObject() permitions check functions
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2017-03-30 19:04 <Plugh> What exactly does Auto->Equalize do? I'd like to do it manually as I'm finding it goes too far.
2017-03-30 19:13 <Plugh> D'oh! nm. Wrong window. :P
2017-03-30 19:17 <Ubit> :p
2017-03-30 19:18 <Ubit> i was wandering if we had any light or sound auto equalize anywhere :)
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2017-03-31 13:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #5383 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-03-31 13:51 <osjenkins> * melanie: Squelch an error that happens when the asset cache was mounted RO.
2017-03-31 13:51 <osjenkins> * melanie: A god is a god is a god. Let gods access scripts and NCs
2017-03-31 13:51 <osjenkins> * melanie: Add the option to link a scene object with a monitoring object
2017-03-31 13:51 <osjenkins> * melanie: Change a misleading message that could lead users to believe a grid is down
2017-03-31 13:51 <osjenkins> * melanie: Skip region restart messages and delays when there are no root agents
2017-03-31 13:51 <osjenkins> * melanie: Allow setting the stats log file location in OpenSim.ini rather than app.exe.config
2017-03-31 13:51 <osjenkins> * melanie: Set a startup marker to let external scripts know the scene is up.
2017-03-31 13:51 <osjenkins> * melanie: Make the file based log file format sane for the casual user
2017-03-31 13:51 <osjenkins> * melanie: Allow short-circuiting region restart delays of there are no users left
2017-03-31 13:51 <osjenkins> * melanie: Make the MySqlGeneric layer transaction aware
2017-03-31 13:51 <osjenkins> * melanie: Add the ability to post to and act uponconfiguration in etcd
2017-03-31 13:51 <osjenkins> * melanie: When determining if a sim can be shut down, ignore NPCs
2017-03-31 13:51 <osjenkins> * melanie: Also ignore NPCs in short-circuiting region restarts
2017-03-31 13:51 <osjenkins> * melanie: Add missing dependency for etcd moduile
2017-03-31 13:51 <osjenkins> * melanie: Prevent error spew when script send IM to HG users before HG is up
2017-03-31 13:51 <osjenkins> * melanie: If a DNS resolution fails on an outbound request, simply allow it
2017-03-31 13:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #5384 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5382 21 hr ago)
2017-03-31 14:01 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2017-03-31 14:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5384: FIXED in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5384/
2017-03-31 14:01 <osjenkins> melanie: Adapt to a variable name that has changed in core
2017-03-31 18:53 <osmantis> Bug #8131:04 Offline messages failing using OfflineMessageModule 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8131 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-03-31 19:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add OSSL functions to override linksets total mass, center of mass and inertia. replacing the crude automatic estimation based on prims known to physics and density. Changed parameters are still not saved, and are lost on region crossings. only suported by UbODE. EXPERIMENTAL feature, only test it for now.. don't try to use in products.
2017-03-31 19:58 <Ubit> forgot to mention that angular momentum is not preserved
2017-03-31 19:58 <Ubit> that was a fast fail :)
2017-03-31 20:00 <Ubit> duhhh
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2017-03-31 20:11 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
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2017-03-31 20:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add missing file. Changes of inertia data of objects running does not
2017-03-31 20:24 <osmantis> Bug #8131:04 Offline messages failing using OfflineMessageModule 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8131 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-03-31 21:12 <danbanner> thanks Melanie_ :)
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2017-04-01 16:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #5387 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2017-04-01 16:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5387: SUCCESS in 6 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5387/
2017-04-01 17:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  store the physics inertia override in Mysql  and add it to serializer. run prebuild is required
2017-04-01 17:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #5388 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-01 17:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5388: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5388/
2017-04-01 17:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  store the physics inertia override in SQlite
2017-04-01 17:37 <Priestov> hi all
2017-04-01 17:41 <Priestov> how save in DB main grid, connected grids with remote PC? After closed remote grids, record deleting in automatic mode((
2017-04-01 17:44 <Plugh> Sorry, I don't understand what you are asking. 
2017-04-01 17:46 <Priestov> mmm ... I have main grid
2017-04-01 17:47 <Priestov> and  I connecting in main grid remote sims
2017-04-01 17:48 <Plugh> ok
2017-04-01 17:48 <Plugh> osgrid is set up like that.
2017-04-01 17:48 <Priestov> records add in BD main grid
2017-04-01 17:48 <Plugh> right
2017-04-01 17:49 <Priestov> but after closed remote sim, record in DB deleting
2017-04-01 17:49 <Priestov> in DB robust-regions
2017-04-01 17:50 <Priestov> this problem only remote sims
2017-04-01 17:53 <Plugh> Yes. The only record that is deleted is the one in the regions table when a region is shut down properly. Information about what is in the region at shutdown remains.
2017-04-01 17:54 <Plugh> When the remote region is started again the record will be added again to the database and the remote region will retrieve the data it needs about what was in the land when it was shut down.
2017-04-01 17:54 <Plugh> It will look the same as it did before it was shut down.
2017-04-01 17:54 <Priestov> but it is not see in map
2017-04-01 17:55 <Priestov> if remote sims in offline
2017-04-01 17:58 <Plugh> Hm... I'm not sure about that. I think the map only shows you regions that are online. The tile would be removed from the map when you shut down a region. The map tile will be shown again when the region is started again.
2017-04-01 17:58 <Plugh> It has been a while since I've thought about these details.
2017-04-01 18:00 <Priestov> New users will not be able to see the actual information on the map, in order to take the coordinates for their region.
2017-04-01 18:02 <Plugh> The region coordinates will be in the ini file located in the Regions directory.
2017-04-01 18:03 <Plugh> Only the grid owners and the person running a region connected to a grid need to know the region coordinates.
2017-04-01 18:03 <Priestov> coordinats in map for new users. 
2017-04-01 18:05 <Plugh> You can provide a web page that shows the map of the grid and the coordinates of the regions.
2017-04-01 18:05 <Priestov> for example. I'm up new sim in coordinates 1000,1000. After working, I'm closed my sim. Other user too up sim in coordinates 1000,1000
2017-04-01 18:06 <Plugh> A new user wanting to connect a region to your grid can look at that map.
2017-04-01 18:07 <Plugh> Yes, that can happen. It happens in osgrid. I don't know how they keep their place available unless they don't shut down their region properly which would leave the map tile in place.
2017-04-01 18:09 <Priestov> Did you understand my problem?
2017-04-01 18:09 <Plugh> If you are the grid owner you need to decide how you want to handle that situation. If you want someone to ask for a location for their region and not let someone else have that place you need to provide a way for people to request a location that will let you manage the grid space.
2017-04-01 18:09 <Plugh> yes.
2017-04-01 18:09 <Priestov> yes, I'm owner
2017-04-01 18:09 <Plugh> nebadon: ping
2017-04-01 18:10 <Priestov> sorry for my english)
2017-04-01 18:10 <Priestov> I'm from Ukraine)
2017-04-01 18:11 <Plugh> No problem.
2017-04-01 18:12 <Plugh> osgrid allows users to connect their own regions to the central grid. The osgrid website has web pages that tell users what spaces are available.
2017-04-01 18:12 <Plugh> https://www.osgrid.org/?q=node/18
2017-04-01 18:13 <Priestov> yes, but how he did this?
2017-04-01 18:13 <Plugh> The information osgrid has on their website about connecting a region to the grid includes a note to check the region list and map for open regions before starting a region.
2017-04-01 18:15 <Plugh> It would be a task for your website staff. They would need to create a PHP based page that uses the database to let people know what regions are not occupied.
2017-04-01 18:20 <Priestov> But where is the information about the unoccupied regions stored?
2017-04-01 18:20 <Priestov> In what database ??
2017-04-01 18:23 <Plugh> The regions table shows you the ones that are online and where they are located. It will be in the main database.
2017-04-01 18:25 <Priestov> Is this base already in opensim?
2017-04-01 18:26 <Plugh> The regions table is one of the standard tables in OpenSim
2017-04-01 18:26 <Priestov> in DB robust?
2017-04-01 18:27 <Plugh> The main opensim database used for the grid.
2017-04-01 18:28 <Plugh> The proper name of the table is Robust.
2017-04-01 18:28 <Plugh> bah
2017-04-01 18:28 <Plugh> Regions (with the capital R)
2017-04-01 18:28 <Priestov> Yes, but this data disappears after the remote sim is turned off.
2017-04-01 18:34 <Plugh> The problem is a grid management one and not an OpenSim one. You need a way for new users to request a location for their region on the map and how long they can keep the space after their region is shut down before someone else may use the location.
2017-04-01 18:34 <Plugh> It is one of those problems you need to handle when you run an open grid.
2017-04-01 18:36 <Priestov> thanks Plugh
2017-04-01 18:37 <Priestov> I thought maybe there is a ready solution ...
2017-04-01 18:37 <Plugh> You could talk with the people who run osgrid. It is one of the problem they have to handle.
2017-04-01 18:37 <Plugh> I don't know of a ready solution.
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2017-04-01 23:12 <djphil> Priestov : Looking for something like a small card that displays the free slot on the grid?
2017-04-01 23:14 <djphil> some think like this : https://metropolis.hypergrid.org/metrotools/freecoords.php
2017-04-01 23:18 <djphil> or this: http://i.imgur.com/8Ak2mDi.jpg
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2017-04-02 22:12 <osmantis> Bug #8127:04 List fetching functions (eg llList2Vector) are dog slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-03 02:10 <osmantis> Bug #8127:04 List fetching functions (eg llList2Vector) are dog slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-03 02:15 <osmantis> Bug #8127:04 List fetching functions (eg llList2Vector) are dog slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-04-03 15:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #5389 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-03 15:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5389: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5389/
2017-04-03 15:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add bool CanObjectEnterWithScripts(SceneObjectGroup sog, ILandObject land) permissions check
2017-04-03 16:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #5390 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-03 16:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5390: FAILURE in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5390/
2017-04-03 16:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add EXPERIMENTAL osObjectTeleport(LSL_Key objectUUID, LSL_Vector targetPos, LSL_Rotation rotation, LSL_Integer stop)
2017-04-03 16:27 <Ubit> yeack
2017-04-03 16:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #5391 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5389 1 hr 17 min ago)
2017-04-03 16:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5391: STILL FAILING in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5391/
2017-04-03 16:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix typo
2017-04-03 16:38 <Melanie_> Ubit: ping
2017-04-03 16:38 <Ubit> pong~
2017-04-03 16:38 <Melanie_> what is the difference between this new function and simply using osSetPos() 
2017-04-03 16:38 <Melanie_> it seems to have a lot more complexity
2017-04-03 16:38 <Melanie_> but what is it for?
2017-04-03 16:39 <Ubit> has rotation, optional stop, and and restrictions
2017-04-03 16:39 <Melanie_> when i saw it i thought it would be an actual teleport;
2017-04-03 16:39 <Melanie_> like, an object going to a sim different from the one it's in and not by crossing
2017-04-03 16:39 <Ubit> for now it is local
2017-04-03 16:40 <Melanie_> i think extending it to a real teleport would have lots of use cases
2017-04-03 16:40 <Ubit> crossing is next level of complexity
2017-04-03 16:40 <Ubit> yeap im thinking on those cases
2017-04-03 16:40 <Melanie_> crossing and real teleport would be pretty muchthe same thing
2017-04-03 16:40 <Ubit> just local is the simplest to do 
2017-04-03 16:41 <Melanie_> to an object, which has no child agents, the regionnext door is just as far away as one the other side of the grid
2017-04-03 16:41 <Ubit> well this does "tp" sitting avas
2017-04-03 16:41 <Melanie_> i believe the existing logic for region border crossing of objects can beleveraged to implement a true object teleport
2017-04-03 16:42 <Melanie_> moving with osSetPos also moves avatars...
2017-04-03 16:42 <Ubit> not sure we want merge of the 2 cases
2017-04-03 16:42 <Ubit> but it is possible yes
2017-04-03 16:42 <Ubit> as i said next level is to allow crossings...
2017-04-03 16:42 <Melanie_> well, teleporting an avatar by teleporting the object they're sitting on is a hugely complex thing
2017-04-03 16:43 <Ubit> form that we see if a in grid tp is just the same
2017-04-03 16:43 <Melanie_> what i'm saying is that you will find that crossing (e.g. teleporting to a region next door) and true teleport (to any region) are so similar that "next door" need not be a special case
2017-04-03 16:44 <Ubit> btw this is by target position...
2017-04-03 16:45 <Ubit> but yes.. its possible  targetpos can be far from source region, so a real tp
2017-04-03 16:45 <Ubit> child agents aside..
2017-04-03 16:47 <Ubit> well let me find why jenkis is still unhappy
2017-04-03 17:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #5392 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #5389 1 hr 58 min ago)
2017-04-03 17:15 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2017-04-03 17:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5392: FIXED in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5392/
2017-04-03 17:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops
2017-04-03 18:10 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-04-03 21:56 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-03 22:08 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-03 22:15 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-03 22:19 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-03 22:40 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-03 22:42 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-04-03 23:07 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-03 23:09 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-03 23:12 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-03 23:14 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-03 23:19 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-03 23:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #5393 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2017-04-03 23:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5393: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5393/
2017-04-03 23:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8140: fix objectTeleport rotation if stop TRUE
2017-04-03 23:59 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-04 00:04 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-04 00:29 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-04 00:32 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-04 00:33 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-04 00:39 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-04 00:42 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-04 00:42 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-04 00:44 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-04 01:49 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-04 01:57 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-04 01:58 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-04 01:59 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-04 02:02 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-04 02:05 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osObjectTeleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): has been UPDATED.
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2017-04-04 11:00 <fw0rd> is there any information on the data structure of the terrain.r32 file stored in an OAR file? 
2017-04-04 11:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #5394 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-04 11:43 <osmantis> Bug #8130:04 llSetKeyframedMotion not working anymore in 0.9.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8130 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-04 11:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5394: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5394/
2017-04-04 11:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8130: improve keyframes motion
2017-04-04 12:30 <osmantis> Bug #8141:04 experimental Inertia override 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8141 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-04-04 13:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #5395 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-04 13:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5395: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5395/
2017-04-04 13:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  mantis 8740: rename osObjectTeleport as osTeleportObject, replaced the stop parameter by flags, add flags OSTPOBJ_STOPATTARRGET and OSTPOBJ_SETROT
2017-04-04 13:46 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osTeleportObject 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-04-04 13:51 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osTeleportObject 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-04 18:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #5396 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-04 18:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5396: FAILURE in 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5396/
2017-04-04 18:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add LSL_Integer osGetLinkNumber(LSL_String name). uses a cache for the string to linknumber map, cache invalidations may still be missing :(
2017-04-04 19:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #5397 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5395 5 hr 36 min ago)
2017-04-04 19:17 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2017-04-04 19:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5397: FIXED in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5397/
2017-04-04 19:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a little speedup on repeated requests for same name on osGetLinkNumber.
2017-04-04 19:22 <osmantis> Bug #8142:04 add integer osGetLinkNumber(string name) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8142 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-04-04 19:23 <Ubit> hmm i can do it? hmm maybe i can  :p
2017-04-04 19:30 <YouCanDolT> huhu ubit. sure do it. fix emailing for windows users lol
2017-04-04 19:30 <Ubit> outch :p
2017-04-04 19:32 <YouCanDolT> and there is some bug with (for example) chat bot communicating with bot server side in last builds
2017-04-04 21:46 <osmantis> Bug #8143:04 Mesh (and possibly texture) asset load is noticeably slower than from OS 0.8.2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8143 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-04-04 21:52 <osmantis> Bug #8143:04 Mesh (and possibly texture) asset load is noticeably slower than from OS 0.8.2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8143 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-04-04 22:00 <osmantis> Bug #8143:04 Mesh (and possibly texture) asset load is noticeably slower than from OS 0.8.2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8143 ): has been UPDATED.
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2017-04-04 23:07 <osmantis> Bug #8143:04 Mesh (and possibly texture) asset load is noticeably slower than from OS 0.8.2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8143 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-04 23:47 <osmantis> Bug #8143:04 Mesh (and possibly texture) asset load is noticeably slower than from OS 0.8.2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8143 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-05 00:06 <osmantis> Bug #8143:04 Mesh (and possibly texture) asset load is noticeably slower than from OS 0.8.2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8143 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-05 00:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #5398 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2017-04-05 00:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5398: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5398/
2017-04-05 00:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  give osTeleportObject proper OSFunctionThreatLevel setting on osslEnable.ini
2017-04-05 00:47 <osmantis> Bug #8143:04 Mesh (and possibly texture) asset load is noticeably slower than from OS 0.8.2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8143 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-05 01:24 <osmantis> Bug #8143:04 Mesh (and possibly texture) asset load is noticeably slower than from OS 0.8.2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8143 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-04-05 12:56 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osTeleportObject 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-05 12:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #5399 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-05 13:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5399: SUCCESS in 5 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5399/
2017-04-05 13:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix osTeleportObject  OSFunctionThreatLevel setting on osslEnable.ini
2017-04-05 14:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #5400 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-05 14:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5400: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5400/
2017-04-05 14:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: OSSL CheckThreatLevel() with no arguments only tests if OSSL is enabled. Faster test for safe functions that are always allowed with OSSL enabled. other name could be CheckOSSLenabled, but this name preserves functions template.
2017-04-05 14:22 <osmantis> Bug #8142:04 add integer osGetLinkNumber(string name) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8142 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-05 14:29 <osmantis> Bug #8142:04 add integer osGetLinkNumber(string name) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8142 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-05 18:05 <osmantis> Bug #8144:04 osSetLinkPrimitiveParams 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8144 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-04-05 18:15 <osmantis> Bug #8144:04 osSetLinkPrimitiveParams 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8144 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-05 18:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #5401 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-04-05 18:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add missing invalidation of osGetLinkNumber cache
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2017-04-05 21:36 <osmantis> Bug #8143:04 Mesh (and possibly texture) asset load is noticeably slower than from OS 0.8.2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8143 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-05 21:47 <osmantis> Bug #8143:04 Mesh (and possibly texture) asset load is noticeably slower than from OS 0.8.2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8143 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-05 22:21 <osmantis> Bug #8143:04 Mesh (and possibly texture) asset load is noticeably slower than from OS 0.8.2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8143 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-05 23:07 <osmantis> Bug #8143:04 Mesh (and possibly texture) asset load is noticeably slower than from OS 0.8.2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8143 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-06 05:10 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osTeleportObject 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-06 05:30 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osTeleportObject 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-06 05:34 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osTeleportObject 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-06 05:36 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osTeleportObject 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-06 06:28 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osTeleportObject 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-06 11:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #5402 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-06 11:57 <Ubit_zzz> damm 8140 not 87..
2017-04-06 11:57 <Ubit_zzz> yeap im still zzzz
2017-04-06 12:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5402: SUCCESS in 6 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5402/
2017-04-06 12:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  mantis 8740: fix osTeleportObject set rotation
2017-04-06 17:31 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osTeleportObject 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-04-07 01:15 <osmantis> Bug #8130:04 llSetKeyframedMotion not working anymore in 0.9.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8130 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-07 01:17 <osmantis> Bug #8130:04 llSetKeyframedMotion not working anymore in 0.9.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8130 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-07 05:27 <osmantis> Bug #7800:04 Login to 0.9 region with empty cache results in new calling card being created for each friend 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7800 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-07 06:43 <osmantis> Bug #7800:04 Login to 0.9 region with empty cache results in new calling card being created for each friend 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7800 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-04-08 16:49 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-08 17:06 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-08 17:17 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-08 17:29 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-08 17:31 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-08 17:32 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-08 17:43 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-08 17:44 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-08 17:52 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-08 17:56 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-04-09 06:18 <osmantis> Bug #8126:04 Opensim.ini documentation suggests an illegal combination of Public Port and Private IP 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8126 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-04-09 06:39 <osmantis> Bug #6752:04 [WARNING]: EOC marker not found. Codestream is corrupted. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6752 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-09 08:58 <osmantis> Bug #6752:04 [WARNING]: EOC marker not found. Codestream is corrupted. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6752 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-09 12:44 <osmantis> Bug #6391:04 Maptiles persist in old location after region move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-09 14:29 <Plugh> Morning, nebadon
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2017-04-10 07:06 <osmantis> Bug #8146:04 Fix spelling of OSTPOBJ_STOPATTARRGET 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8146 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2017-04-10 07:12 <osmantis> Bug #8146:04 Fix spelling of OSTPOBJ_STOPATTARRGET 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8146 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-10 15:09 <w0xz_> hey!
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2017-04-11 17:59 <MarcusLlewellyn> The OpenSimulator Developers Meeting at Wright Plaza on OSgrid has started, if any core devs feel like popping in. :)
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2017-04-12 02:03 <Plugh> djphil: ping
2017-04-12 02:46 <Plugh> bbl
2017-04-12 05:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #5403 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-12 05:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5403: SUCCESS in 7 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5403/
2017-04-12 05:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  update ode.dll for windows. Other platforms need fo be compiled from opensim-libs repo, folder ODE-OpenSim.0.13.2. This adds OsTerrain, a replacevment for Heightfield that ubOde can use. Its already rotated as needed and has a diferent Sphere collider, rest is still almost identical. Keep previus ode version in case this goes wrong.
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2017-04-12 12:53 <Plugh> This is somewhat odd. I have an avatar that is not part of any group but there are 9 calls to getGroupMembership when the avatar logs in .
2017-04-12 12:54 <Plugh> um... about half that. The other calls are several calls to getAgentActiveMembership.
2017-04-12 14:50 <Plugh> Morning, djphil
2017-04-12 14:51 <djphil> hi Plugh
2017-04-12 14:55 <Plugh> I was looking at the reports you filed against OpenSimProfile. I'm puzzled about the reference to get_isNPC() in the error message. I can't find a call to that function in OpenSim or in the module code.
2017-04-12 17:03 <Ubit> it was renamed IsNPC
2017-04-12 17:05 <Ubit> err and is a propertty not a a function
2017-04-12 17:25 <djphil> Plugh : Yet the message warning is well existing ...
2017-04-12 17:26 <Ubit> that is vital for npc profiles
2017-04-12 17:26 <Ubit> of course :p
2017-04-12 17:27 <djphil> Is with my prsonnal profil
2017-04-12 17:28 <Ubit> we all know yr a npc :p
2017-04-12 17:28 <Ubit> kidding ;)
2017-04-12 17:53 <djphil> yeah sure :p
2017-04-12 18:16 <Plugh> djphil: How do you trigger the message in osgrid? 
2017-04-12 18:16 <Plugh> Ubit, the error message shows it as a function(?) being called.
2017-04-12 18:16 <Plugh> https://github.com/kcozens/OpenSimProfile/issues/2
2017-04-12 18:17 <Plugh> -> Mode introuvable: 'Boolean OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.ScenePresence.get_isNPC()
2017-04-12 18:17 <Plugh> The translation of that is it can't find get_isNPC().
2017-04-12 18:19 <Ubit> check penSimProfile.Modules.OpenProfile.OpenProfileModule.AvatarNotesUpdate(IClientAPI remoteClient, UUID queryTargetID, String queryNotes) source
2017-04-12 18:20 <Ubit> this is typical use
2017-04-12 18:20 <Ubit> ScenePresence sp = m_scene.GetScenePresence(agentID);
2017-04-12 18:20 <Ubit>             if(sp == null || sp.IsDeleted || sp.IsNPC)
2017-04-12 18:20 <Ubit>                 return;
2017-04-12 18:22 <Ubit> this what i have on my local version
2017-04-12 18:22 <Ubit>        public void AvatarNotesUpdate(IClientAPI remoteClient, UUID queryTargetID, string queryNotes)
2017-04-12 18:22 <Ubit>         {
2017-04-12 18:22 <Ubit>             ScenePresence p = FindPresence(queryTargetID);
2017-04-12 18:22 <Ubit>             if (p != null && p.IsNPC)
2017-04-12 18:22 <Ubit>             {
2017-04-12 18:22 <Ubit>                 remoteClient.SendAgentAlertMessage(
2017-04-12 18:22 <Ubit>                         "Notes for NPCs not available", false);
2017-04-12 18:22 <Ubit>                 return;
2017-04-12 18:22 <Ubit>             }
2017-04-12 18:22 <Ubit> ....
2017-04-12 18:23 <Plugh> I don't have the sp.IsDeleted check but the other two are there. There is no call to get_isNPC in the current version of OpenSimProfile. I suspect a wrong version of module code is being used with master.
2017-04-12 18:23 <Plugh> In the situation reported.
2017-04-12 18:24 <Ubit> well and mel did rename isNPC as IsNPC 
2017-04-12 18:24 <Plugh> Right. I remember that. I updated the module code when that took place.
2017-04-12 18:26 <Ubit> guess get_isNPC() is normal for p.isNPC, just should be get_IsNPC
2017-04-12 18:32 <djphil> simply when i click on the notes tab Plugh
2017-04-12 18:32 <Plugh> In what grid?
2017-04-12 18:34 <djphil> i think osgrid
2017-04-12 18:35 <djphil> A long time ago I no longer tested this, I really do not remember which grid
2017-04-12 18:35 <djphil> I'm a little busy right now, I do not have time to check now
2017-04-12 18:36 <Plugh> I have tried it in osgrid and did not see the problem. I was able to update a note for an avatar and removed the change to the note without error.
2017-04-12 18:36 <Plugh> ok
2017-04-12 18:36 <djphil> sorry :s
2017-04-12 18:52 <Plugh> djphil: np. Just following up on the reports. I'm completing my tests of the profile modules PHP file that I've updated for use with PHP 7
2017-04-12 19:09 <djphil> Good! :)
2017-04-12 19:30 <Ubit> btw i did change the ode binary dll, but could only do it for windoes
2017-04-12 19:30 <Ubit> need someone to build it for linux, mac
2017-04-12 19:31 <Ubit> raspPI could also be added, ig you find how to fix the bin config file ( basicly what arch name does mono use o rasp )
2017-04-12 19:47 <Plugh> Ubit: I can do a build. What is it that needs building? libOMV, or just git master of OS?
2017-04-12 19:47 <Ubit> no
2017-04-12 19:48 <Ubit> on opensim-libs repo, the opensim-libs\trunk\unmanaged\ODE-OpenSim-0.13.2
2017-04-12 19:48 <Plugh> ah, ok. Just a sec...
2017-04-12 19:49 <Ubit> well i already know a little bug..  artificial drift on very large shperes if with large terrain penetration
2017-04-12 19:50 <Ubit> a issue on contacts reduction. yeack
2017-04-12 19:50 <Ubit> guess not many use 5m physical true spheres
2017-04-12 19:52 <Plugh> demo_rfriction.cpp: In function ‘void nearCallback(void*, dGeomID, dGeomID)’:
2017-04-12 19:52 <Plugh> demo_rfriction.cpp:90:29: error: ‘dSurfaceParameters {aka struct dSurfaceParameters}’ has no member named ‘rho’
2017-04-12 19:52 <Plugh>          contact[ii].surface.rho = rho;
2017-04-12 19:52 <Plugh>                              ^
2017-04-12 19:52 <Plugh> Makefile:884: recipe for target 'demo_rfriction.o' failed
2017-04-12 19:52 <Ubit> odd that does conpile fine on win
2017-04-12 19:53 <Ubit> ohh why is that compiling the demos?
2017-04-12 19:53 <Plugh> I ran -> ./bootstrap, ./configure, make
2017-04-12 19:53 <Ubit> yeap
2017-04-12 19:54 <Ubit> i didn't update the demos
2017-04-12 19:54 <Plugh> :)
2017-04-12 19:54 <Ubit> bc win iggnores them
2017-04-12 19:54 <Ubit> but odd i did not change that from 13.1
2017-04-12 19:54 <Plugh> Let me know when to pull and restart the compile
2017-04-12 19:57 <Ubit> ok you didnt read the read me
2017-04-12 19:57 <Ubit> linux 64b ?
2017-04-12 19:57 <Plugh> Why would I want to do that?  :)
2017-04-12 19:57 <Ubit> bc configure needs parameters :)
2017-04-12 19:57 <Ubit> == On Linux 64-bit ==./configure --with-trimesh=opcode --disable-asserts --enable-shared --disable-demos --without-xmakecp ode/src/.libs/libode.so.1.1.1 $OPENSIM/bin/lib64/libode-x86_64.so (possible name is not ..so.1.1.1 )
2017-04-12 19:57 <Ubit> yeak
2017-04-12 19:58 <Ubit> == On Linux 64-bit ==./configure --with-trimesh=opcode --disable-asserts --enable-shared --disable-demos --without-xmakecp ode/src/.libs/libode.so.1.1.1 $OPENSIM/bin/lib64/libode-x86_64.so (possible name is not ..so.1.1.1 )
2017-04-12 19:58 <Ubit> damm
2017-04-12 19:58 <Ubit> ./configure --with-trimesh=opcode --disable-asserts --enable-shared --disable-demos --without-x
2017-04-12 19:58 <Plugh> hm...That isn't in the README or INSTALL txt files for the ODE module.
2017-04-12 19:59 <Ubit> well since its a fork i should remove the demos etc
2017-04-12 19:59 <Ubit> OPENSIM-README.txr :p
2017-04-12 20:01 <Plugh> oh, that. readme. :P
2017-04-12 20:01 <Ubit> :)
2017-04-12 20:02 <Plugh> Compile finished without complaints.
2017-04-12 20:02 <Ubit> errr a option missing
2017-04-12 20:02 <Plugh> under Linux 64-bit
2017-04-12 20:02 <Ubit> --disable-threading-intf at end :(
2017-04-12 20:04 <Ubit> hmmm well im guessing... for some reason i added it on 32b and not 64b
2017-04-12 20:04 <Plugh> No change in compile. It didn't complain about anything.
2017-04-12 20:04 <Ubit> but have it also on the mac 64b
2017-04-12 20:05 <Plugh> Need me to check anything else?
2017-04-12 20:05 <Ubit> oops no i haven't
2017-04-12 20:05 <Ubit> well put the bin on opensim bin/lib64 and fireit.. err let me see the name
2017-04-12 20:06 <Ubit> libode-x86_64.so ?
2017-04-12 20:07 <Ubit> cp ode/src/.libs/libode.so.1.1.1 $OPENSIM/bin/lib64/libode-x86_64.so (possible name is not ..so.1.1.1 )
2017-04-12 20:07 <Ubit> and watch how the region crashs with ubOde :)
2017-04-12 20:07 <Ubit> hmm you do run regions with ubOde right?
2017-04-12 20:08 <Ubit> ( old ode should see no changes  well not relevant ones )
2017-04-12 20:08 <Plugh> I am on my local machine.
2017-04-12 20:09 <Plugh> The build process only created one DLL file called ode.dll.
2017-04-12 20:09 <Ubit> linux does not have ode.dll
2017-04-12 20:10 <Ubit> it should had created a libode.so
2017-04-12 20:11 <Ubit> ode/src/.libs/libode.so.????
2017-04-12 20:11 <Plugh> oh, it hides the .so file.
2017-04-12 20:11 <Ubit> yeap  odd placement
2017-04-12 20:12 <Ubit> on win its on lib/release... o
2017-04-12 20:12 <Plugh> I copied it to lib64/libode-x86_64.so 
2017-04-12 20:13 <Plugh> in my standalone instance of OS.
2017-04-12 20:13 <Ubit> dont forget to rename as ibode-x86_64.so  and place at opensim/bin/lib64
2017-04-12 20:14 <Ubit> ok the region is on ubOde ?
2017-04-12 20:14 <Plugh> It needs to be in two places in the compiled tree?
2017-04-12 20:14 <Ubit> no  final dest is opensim/bin/lib64
2017-04-12 20:15 <Plugh> Right. Do you want me to test that OS will compile with that updated lib? I just cp'ed it to my working sandalone.
2017-04-12 20:15 <Ubit> os does not compile it.. just loads and uses
2017-04-12 20:15 <Ubit> or smokes
2017-04-12 20:16 <Ubit> it is unmaged code
2017-04-12 20:16 <Ubit> unmanaged
2017-04-12 20:16 <Plugh> ok. I'll start my OS again. I already started it with the new ode lib
2017-04-12 20:16 <Plugh> then killed it when you made it sound like I had to copy it somewhere else.
2017-04-12 20:16 <Ubit> it is set yo use ubOde right?
2017-04-12 20:16 <Plugh> yes
2017-04-12 20:17 <Ubit> ok fingers crossed
2017-04-12 20:17 <Plugh> OS started up without any red text. Logging in...
2017-04-12 20:18 <Ubit> rez a 1m sphere above groud,  mk it physical and see if it moves in acceptable way
2017-04-12 20:18 <Plugh> I'm inworld. Only red text is due to out-of-date xmlrpc based groups module.
2017-04-12 20:19 <Ubit> changes are on terrain.. replaced heighfiedl by a new OsTerrain
2017-04-12 20:19 <Plugh> acceptable way? Hm... 
2017-04-12 20:20 <Ubit> it is identical , just already rotated as we like, not Y up
2017-04-12 20:20 <Plugh> I run in to it to get it to move. I wind up walking over it. It hardly moves.
2017-04-12 20:20 <Ubit> yr a light avatar :p
2017-04-12 20:20 <Plugh> :)
2017-04-12 20:21 <Ubit> you can drag it with mouse
2017-04-12 20:21 <Ubit> or move it into a hill and drop ( avoid rez inside terrain or it will fly  :p )
2017-04-12 20:22 <Plugh> it works better when its a 0.5m ball.
2017-04-12 20:22 <Plugh> I'm kicking it all over the place
2017-04-12 20:22 <Ubit> avatar push, yes
2017-04-12 20:23 <Ubit> the OsTerrain also has now a diferent sphere collider ( true spheres)
2017-04-12 20:23 <Plugh> I must have a slight slope to one side where I'm at in my region. After a while the ball started to roll back towards where I was when I kicked it.
2017-04-12 20:23 <Plugh> ok
2017-04-12 20:23 <Ubit> rest is minor changes... except saved the rotations
2017-04-12 20:24 <Ubit> ray collions are really worse than original sphered
2017-04-12 20:24 <Plugh> Sems ok so far. 
2017-04-12 20:24 <Ubit> by spheres where also ugly and ppl use them as car wheels
2017-04-12 20:24 <Ubit> hope they are a bit better now
2017-04-12 20:25 <Plugh> I don't have a vehicle in my standalone to use in testing.
2017-04-12 20:25 <Ubit> but next is the ray cast..  it is damm heavy and did crash regions   bf i added a rangelimit
2017-04-12 20:25 <Ubit> out of memory crash :)
2017-04-12 20:26 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2017-04-12 20:27 <Ubit> capsule is also a disater.. remember how ode lets avatar fall undergroud?
2017-04-12 20:27 <Ubit> old ode.. on ubOde im not using them with terrain
2017-04-12 20:28 <Plugh> No, I don't remember that. I can't recall seeing it.
2017-04-12 20:28 <Ubit> ohh it did happen a lot.. possible still does
2017-04-12 20:28 <Ubit> teravus had big fight and could not fix
2017-04-12 20:29 <Ubit> only found that a tilted capsule whould fail less. to he added a fixe tilt :)
2017-04-12 20:29 <Ubit> not nice but well worked
2017-04-12 20:30 <Ubit> on ubOde i just gave up.. a avatar is a point plus a bit extra code
2017-04-12 20:31 <Ubit> but capsules are useful colliders.. so..  well need to make the code also :)
2017-04-12 20:33 <Ubit> you ran a region on a PI ?
2017-04-12 20:54 <Ubit> OUTCH a tree that is not phantom
2017-04-12 21:00 <Ubit> if it works on  you can commit it? ( telling on coment that we still need the 32b, mac etc )
2017-04-12 21:00 <Plugh> No, I haven't tried running OS on a Pi. 
2017-04-12 21:01 <Ubit> ok lets see it neb can try on his 
2017-04-12 21:01 <Plugh> I do have several include a Pi 3. I think nebadon has run OS on a Pi 2 (which I also have).
2017-04-12 21:01 <Plugh> I've got 5 Pis but one is either dead or just very ill.
2017-04-12 21:01 <Ubit> i had one.. but had to give it back.. was here only for little job
2017-04-12 21:02 <Plugh> I think I have finished all the code changes needed for OpenSimSearch to have it fully working in PHP7.
2017-04-12 21:03 <Plugh> Still have to finish checking the profile module. I think it is working fully but I was going to check the handling of success/failure for some SQL queries.
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2017-04-12 23:25 <Plugh> Any one know how the viewer notifies the backend about a change in the state of the "Show in search" checkbox toggle?
2017-04-12 23:27 <Melanie_T> it's complicated
2017-04-12 23:27 <Melanie_T> it's really just ParcelFlags.ShowDirectory
2017-04-12 23:27 <Melanie_T> BUT
2017-04-12 23:27 <Melanie_T> if a user even opens "about land"
2017-04-12 23:27 <Melanie_T> no matter if they have rights or not
2017-04-12 23:28 <Melanie_T> the viewer will send an update and ShowDirectory will ALWAYS be clear in that update
2017-04-12 23:28 <Melanie_T> so, a parcel owner can set "show in search"
2017-04-12 23:28 <Plugh> um... sorry. I should clarify. I'm asking about the option in the avatar profile dialog box
2017-04-12 23:29 <Melanie_T> then an estate manager, who doesn't have the power to change this option, will only have to LOOK at about land in order for the viewer to send a ParcelFlags with ShowDirectory bit cleared
2017-04-12 23:29 <Melanie_T> oh
2017-04-12 23:29 <Melanie_T> thought you meant land
2017-04-12 23:29 <Melanie_T> standard profiles implement the avatar profile box dialog as UDP packets
2017-04-12 23:29 <Melanie_T> those have been mis-specified and never worked
2017-04-12 23:29 <Melanie_T> there is a CAPS replacment that opensim never implemented
2017-04-12 23:30 <Plugh> yea, sorry. My bad for not being clear about that. I've been testing the PHP 7 version of the profile PHP code.
2017-04-12 23:30 <Melanie_T> only the caps version allows setting the visibility of individual groups in the profile as well as the show in search option
2017-04-12 23:30 <Melanie_T> however, show in search on the profile box is utterly useless
2017-04-12 23:30 <Melanie_T> it isn't meant to, and won't work if used as, a means to hide one's avatar
2017-04-12 23:31 <Melanie_T> because avatar picker uses different methods that can't be bypassed without breaking stuff
2017-04-12 23:31 <Plugh> IIRC, it was only used by the website to restrict how much info about an avatar was to be shown.
2017-04-12 23:31 <Melanie_T> show in search in the profile was only ever intended to be used to determine whether SL would show that profile in the WEBSITE
2017-04-12 23:31 <Melanie_T> thereby allowing google to index it
2017-04-12 23:31 <Plugh> Right.
2017-04-12 23:31 <Melanie_T> that checkbox was added when privacy concerns were raised by users
2017-04-12 23:32 <Melanie_T> a certain kind of users who are male exec in RL and slavegirl escorts in sl
2017-04-12 23:32 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2017-04-12 23:33 <Plugh> I was checking with WinGridProxy if clicking the setting sent any message but I didn't notice anything being sent by the viewer.
2017-04-12 23:33 <Melanie_T> so really implementing that is pretty pointless
2017-04-12 23:33 <Melanie_T> the profile has an apply button for changes
2017-04-12 23:34 <Melanie_T> it's sent only when clicking that
2017-04-12 23:34 <Melanie_T> however, wingridproxy predates that cap so it's not shown
2017-04-12 23:34 <Plugh> ah, ok
2017-04-12 23:34 <Melanie_T> it only shows the deprecated UDP version which isn't used in SL anymore
2017-04-12 23:34 <Plugh> I thought that WGP had a feature to show CAPS but apparently not. I don't see it in the filters list.
2017-04-12 23:36 <Plugh> I can point djphil to the above information and just close his report about the toggle as WONTFIX.
2017-04-12 23:37 <Melanie_T> WGP can only show caps it knows about
2017-04-12 23:37 <Melanie_T> itdoesn't know this one
2017-04-12 23:38 <Melanie_T> also i don't believe it is core's task to do the work of people who wan to run commercial grids. they should do their own legwork
2017-04-12 23:38 <Plugh> ok. I thought there was some generic caps thing
2017-04-12 23:40 <Plugh> djphil also filed a report about a number of other buttons that don't work. -> https://github.com/kcozens/OpenSimProfile/issues/4
2017-04-12 23:40 <Plugh> First thought is that those aren't profile related features.
2017-04-12 23:40 <Plugh> Probably more features not yet implemented.
2017-04-12 23:41 <Melanie_T> the "notes" tab doesn't have those checkboxes in v1 viewers
2017-04-12 23:41 <Melanie_T> opensim only implements the v1 standard
2017-04-12 23:41 <Ubit> we should focus on core profiles 
2017-04-12 23:41 <Plugh> yea, I think "notes" is a typo. That stuff is in the friends(?) list.
2017-04-12 23:41 <Melanie_T> although people have been using v2 and v3 UI viewers with opensim with success, we don't implement those added features at all
2017-04-12 23:42 <Melanie_T> these three checkboxes work ust fine on 0.9
2017-04-12 23:42 <Melanie_T> we implemente them fully at avination
2017-04-12 23:42 <Melanie_T> people need to kill of 0.8.2 already
2017-04-12 23:42 <Plugh> If he was testing in osgrid they should have been working.
2017-04-12 23:42 <Melanie_T> unless he's using an ancient version of opensim
2017-04-12 23:43 <Melanie_T> i'm sure there are some people still glued to their 0.7.x versions
2017-04-12 23:43 <Plugh> :)
2017-04-12 23:43 <Melanie_T> and i know 0.8 is still what many people recommend because they're scared of the new
2017-04-12 23:43 <Melanie_T> and 0.9 needs a complete configuration rewrite
2017-04-12 23:44 <Melanie_T> so people will try to run 0.9 with an 0.8.2 config
2017-04-12 23:44 <Melanie_T> claim it's shit and doesn't work
2017-04-12 23:44 <Plugh> oh, I see those checkboxes in the notes tab of profile but only when using Firestorm. They aren't there in Sing
2017-04-12 23:44 <Melanie_T> and shout that out on the blogs
2017-04-12 23:44 <Melanie_T> so there
2017-04-12 23:44 <Plugh> As a seller I run in to perms issues with 0.8.2
2017-04-12 23:44 <Melanie_T> we don't implement them
2017-04-12 23:45 <Melanie_T> patches welcome, but i won't implement them because i don't use firestorm
2017-04-12 23:45 <Melanie_T> he can do it
2017-04-12 23:45 <Melanie_T> you can do ir
2017-04-12 23:45 <Melanie_T> whoever can do it
2017-04-12 23:45 <Melanie_T> and it's ok to go into core
2017-04-12 23:45 <Plugh> Those options sound like a duplicate of the ones in the Friends list.
2017-04-12 23:45 <Melanie_T> but i won't do it because firestorm features are no skin off my nose
2017-04-12 23:45 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2017-04-12 23:45 <Plugh> I don't use Firestorm that much either.
2017-04-12 23:46 <Melanie_T> i never left v1
2017-04-12 23:46 <Melanie_T> and there are two reaons
2017-04-12 23:46 <Melanie_T> reasons
2017-04-12 23:47 <Melanie_T> #1, they didn't get rid of that atrocious, counterintuitive right sidebar quickly enough, they used up my patience with the b0rked v2 ui
2017-04-12 23:48 <Melanie_T> #2, the LL TPV clause that said that "no TPV may remove linden specific or linden branded features, especially the links to the SL website, or add features not supported by SL"
2017-04-12 23:48 <Plugh> I'll close issue 4 as won't fix since it is a duplication of buttons available elsewhere. I rarely use Firestorm so I don't have any motivation to make those things work.
2017-04-12 23:51 <Melanie_T> fs used to hijack the login message to advertise their firestorm classes
2017-04-12 23:51 <Melanie_T> i suppose they got the smackdown by LL because now they display the SL-provided login message agin
2017-04-12 23:52 <Melanie_T> while they masked the login message, at AVN I detected FS and sent the login message as a system generated toast after loign
2017-04-12 23:52 <Melanie_T> to be sure people would see the important announcements
2017-04-12 23:53 <Melanie_T> that didn't make firestorm any dearer to my heart
2017-04-12 23:54 <Melanie_T> obvioulsy, i'm no friend of freemium, dlc, essential in-app purchases and wallet-warrior-ism
2017-04-12 23:55 <Melanie_T> if they need money to finance FS development then it's OK to askfor it straight out but masking important messages the grid wants to send to the users with advertising - ugh
2017-04-12 23:55 <Melanie_T> i'm glad they display the login message now
2017-04-12 23:57 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2017-04-13 00:03 <Plugh> One final review to do of the changes I've made to the PHP based search and profile modules and I'll be ready to commit and push.
2017-04-13 00:03 <Plugh> That will be commits 1,000 and 1,001 according to ohloh.net (aka BlackDuck)
2017-04-13 00:07 <Melanie_T> you must have a bit of kudo ranking by now, too
2017-04-13 00:09 <Plugh> A 9 ranking in Kudos but very few people have sent me kudoes.
2017-04-13 00:09 <Plugh> -e
2017-04-13 00:09 <Melanie_T> i'm a 9 as well
2017-04-13 00:10 <Ubit> uff guess im rank 0 :)
2017-04-13 00:10 <Plugh> Melanie_T: Nice. You probably have received Kudos from more people than I have.
2017-04-13 00:10 <Melanie_T> dunno
2017-04-13 00:10 <Melanie_T> but "kudo" ranking isn'tbased all on kudos
2017-04-13 00:10 <Plugh> You can find out in your profile.
2017-04-13 00:11 <Plugh> I thought it was.
2017-04-13 00:11 <Melanie_T> it's also based on number of commits vs. number of project users, e.g. gues downloads/got clones
2017-04-13 00:11 <Plugh> I don't pay much attention to the kudos number anyway.
2017-04-13 00:11 <Plugh> I've commited to 13 projects
2017-04-13 00:11 <Melanie_T> guest downloads, git clones
2017-04-13 00:12 <Plugh> ok
2017-04-13 00:12 <Plugh> hm... getting late. I should head out before the stores close. Not that I have plans to get anything but its an excuse for a walk.
2017-04-13 00:13 <Melanie_T> lol
2017-04-13 00:13 <Plugh> It can get a bit boring just walking the same old routes all the time.
2017-04-13 00:14 <Plugh> bbl
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2017-04-14 02:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: some reduction on large colision repulsive force on non physical placement of physical prims
2017-04-14 02:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #5405 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-04-14 02:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update ode binaries for windows
2017-04-14 08:35 <osmantis> Bug #8147:04 Could not load type 'OpenSim.Region.OptionalModules.Framework.Monitoring.EtcdMonitoringModule - Standalone 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8147 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-04-14 08:46 <osmantis> Bug #8139:04 [RADMIN] Some methods need comments and exemples on the Wiki 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8139 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-04-14 08:54 <osmantis> Bug #8148:04 [RADMIN] RemoteAdmin PHP Class file is unusable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8148 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2017-04-14 09:00 <osmantis> Bug #7670:04 [RADMIN] admin_create_user is broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7670 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-04-14 09:10 <ssm2017> hello djphil_ . on the page : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/RemoteAdmin:admin_dialog there is a typo : "Enabling admin_get_opensim_version"
2017-04-14 09:11 <djphil_> Oops, yes, ty
2017-04-14 09:11 <djphil_> fixed!
2017-04-14 09:14 <ssm2017> djphil_ about the issue #8148. have you tried the code here : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/RemoteAdmin:RemoteAdmin_Examples ? if yes and working, maybe you can modify the page where you have seen the google code one and redirect to this wiki page ?
2017-04-14 09:14 <djphil_> the php part ?
2017-04-14 09:14 <ssm2017> yes
2017-04-14 09:14 <djphil_> yes, is broken
2017-04-14 09:15 <djphil_> no tested the CURL
2017-04-14 09:15 <djphil_> but with the Class provided here :
2017-04-14 09:15 <djphil_> https://code.google.com/archive/p/opensimtools/wikis/RemoteAdminPHPClass.wiki
2017-04-14 09:15 <djphil_> we have any change to get it work :p
2017-04-14 09:16 <ssm2017> maybe it is better to update the wiki with a working one because the google code one is a very old one made by olish from newworldgrid
2017-04-14 09:16 <djphil_> Hre i use aé cusorm Class modified ... or the class provided by Tripex ... but seam broken too.
2017-04-14 09:17 <ssm2017> need to mention the php version required
2017-04-14 09:17 <djphil_> Yes sure, wiki radmin need update !!!
2017-04-14 09:17 <djphil_> i try to point all errors on it :)
2017-04-14 09:17 <djphil_> i have a working one
2017-04-14 09:18 <djphil_> but only create user is broken
2017-04-14 09:18 <djphil_> that why i report it
2017-04-14 09:20 <djphil_> Too, i try to get new infos about new command added to robust but ... Currently I did not get any information.
2017-04-14 09:20 <djphil_> I'm courious to know if Triplex is on Linux or Windows ...
2017-04-14 09:21 <djphil_> The script it provides is fine, it works ... but not to create user. Same problem.
2017-04-14 09:22 <djphil_> Perhaps this is related only to windows users ...
2017-04-14 09:26 <djphil_> ssm2017: if you read the comment added in the wiki for the php part to create user, you can read:
2017-04-14 09:26 <djphil_> "Note: This script does not appear to work for create user because it tries to pass the start region x and y as a string when the RemoteAdmin needs a string. The class needs to be edited to pass it as a number or edit the remoteadmin source to convert the string to a unsigned int."
2017-04-14 09:27 <djphil_> If you rememeber we made a modified Class in the past to "fix" this issue ;)
2017-04-14 09:29 <ssm2017> it is far away... :)
2017-04-14 09:30 <djphil_> true
2017-04-14 09:30 <djphil_> and don't solve the problem :p
2017-04-14 09:31 <djphil_> If you look at the Triplex Class, it has also made the change in its code.
2017-04-14 09:32 <djphil_> It did differently but it also modifies "string" to "int"
2017-04-14 09:32 <ssm2017> i do not know this Triplex class
2017-04-14 09:32 <djphil_> He's good
2017-04-14 09:32 <ssm2017> as you know i do not use standalone php, i only use Drupal code
2017-04-14 09:32 <djphil_> yes
2017-04-14 09:33 <djphil_> but do you use radmin to create user in Drupal, i thing no ...
2017-04-14 09:33 <ssm2017> no
2017-04-14 09:33 <djphil_> hehe :p
2017-04-14 09:34 <djphil_> Send message to console work, that sure :)
2017-04-14 09:34 <ssm2017> can you confirm that create user is only available on standalone simulators ?
2017-04-14 09:34 <ssm2017> not available in grid mode
2017-04-14 09:35 <djphil_> Yes, but now it seam available on Robut too
2017-04-14 09:36 <ssm2017> radmin on robust ? are you sure ? maybe you speak about REST instead of radmin
2017-04-14 09:36 <djphil_> yes, i'm
2017-04-14 09:36 <djphil_> read this : http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7670#c31055
2017-04-14 09:36 <djphil_> patch by Cinder :)
2017-04-14 09:41 <ssm2017> the Cinder patch is maybe this one : http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7981 it is REST
2017-04-14 09:43 <djphil_> Maybee, i don't know
2017-04-14 09:43 <ssm2017> maybe in the #7670 issue, Melanie_T wrote "remote admin" instead of "remote console" to refer the REST api instead of radmin
2017-04-14 09:49 <djphil_> Not needed for Standalone tests
2017-04-14 09:50 <ssm2017> create_user is only available for standalone simulator so if it is working on standalone simulator, it is working :)
2017-04-14 09:51 <djphil_> No, it don't work !
2017-04-14 09:53 <ssm2017> so if is not working on a standalone simulator, maybe you can report if you see a result on the console (radmin always writes on the console) and the xmlrpc returned answer or http code if any
2017-04-14 09:54 <djphil_> i repport that on 7670
2017-04-14 09:54 <djphil_> in year 2015 ;)
2017-04-14 09:59 <ssm2017> maybe you need to update the issue or make a new complete report in a comment : standalone mode + opensimulator version; .net version; complete xmlrpc sent; console result; complete xlmrpc received; http response code; http headers...
2017-04-14 10:01 <djphil_> You have allready "With OpenSim v0.8.1.1"
2017-04-14 10:01 <djphil_> and the console warning
2017-04-14 10:01 <djphil_> i have no trying with the master dev code
2017-04-14 10:01 <djphil_> i will do that
2017-04-14 10:02 <djphil_> if i find a little motivation ...
2017-04-14 10:06 <ssm2017> as i could understand, the most important things that are interesting devs are regressions on the master dev code. releases are the past. so if create_user is not working on a standalone sim with the master dev code, this is a regression. if not, this is the past
2017-04-14 10:11 <djphil_> sure
2017-04-14 13:00 <osmantis> Bug #7670:04 [RADMIN] admin_create_user is broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7670 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-04-14 17:20 <osmantis> Bug #8148:04 [RADMIN] RemoteAdmin PHP Class file is unusable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8148 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-04-14 19:24 <osmantis> Bug #7817:04 file_get_contents no longer works with 0.9.x on simstatus page 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7817 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-04-14 19:24 <osmantis> Bug #7817:04 file_get_contents no longer works with 0.9.x on simstatus page 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7817 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2017-04-14 19:24 <osmantis> Bug #7817:04 file_get_contents no longer works with 0.9.x on simstatus page 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7817 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
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2017-04-14 21:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add functions to send entity updates imediatly, except for avatars (or now) they should be use to bypass normal delayed updates, for debug
2017-04-14 21:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #5407 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-04-14 21:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: increase the updates priority of linkset where avatar is sitting
2017-04-15 00:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #5408 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-04-15 00:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: still issues with volume detectors and sleeping bodies
2017-04-15 00:36 <osmantis> Bug #8141:04 experimental Inertia override 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8141 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-15 01:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #5409 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-04-15 01:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: still issues with volume detectors and sleeping bodies
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2017-04-15 03:33 <osmantis> Bug #8149:04 Please complete documentation of OSSL functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8149 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-04-15 03:42 <osmantis> Bug #8149:04 Please complete documentation of OSSL functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8149 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-15 08:20 <djphil> ping Plugh
2017-04-15 08:20 <djphil> Hi, table "userdata" is a part of opensim profil, right ?
2017-04-15 08:21 <djphil> (Opensim Built-In Profile)
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2017-04-15 09:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: several changes for osTeleportObject
2017-04-15 09:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #5411 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5409 8 hr 7 min ago)
2017-04-15 10:02 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2017-04-15 10:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5411: FIXED in 5 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5411/
2017-04-15 10:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file and remove warnings
2017-04-15 10:05 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osTeleportObject 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-04-15 10:07 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osTeleportObject 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-15 10:08 <osmantis> Bug #8146:04 Fix spelling of OSTPOBJ_STOPATTARRGET 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8146 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-15 10:08 <Ubit> 
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2017-04-15 10:14 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osTeleportObject 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-15 10:24 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osTeleportObject 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-04-15 10:24 <Ubit> grrr
2017-04-15 10:26 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osTeleportObject 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-04-15 11:56 <djphil> Hello, i see osCheckODE() return 0 with BulletSim and 0 with ubODE. This is normal ?
2017-04-15 11:57 <Ubit> neither is ode :p
2017-04-15 11:57 <Ubit>                if (physEngine == "OpenDynamicsEngine")
2017-04-15 11:57 <Ubit>                 {
2017-04-15 11:57 <Ubit>                     ret = 1;    // true
2017-04-15 11:57 <Ubit>                 }
2017-04-15 11:57 <Ubit>             }
2017-04-15 11:57 <Ubit> only checks for old ode really
2017-04-15 11:57 <djphil> ok it return 1 only with OpenDynamicsEngine
2017-04-15 11:57 <djphil> ty ;)
2017-04-15 11:58 <Ubit> ( this is older than ubOde, but usefull like this
2017-04-15 11:58 <Ubit> since ubode is a lot dif
2017-04-15 11:58 <Ubit> osGetPhysicsEngineName()
2017-04-15 11:58 <Ubit> is anew thing i think
2017-04-15 11:58 <djphil> yes i know this
2017-04-15 11:59 <djphil> just curiours to know for osCheckODE function
2017-04-15 11:59 <Ubit> ok
2017-04-15 11:59 <Ubit> its from there where mainly it and bullet
2017-04-15 11:59 <Ubit> and as i said, can't tell that ubOde is ode
2017-04-15 12:00 <djphil> sure
2017-04-15 12:01 <djphil> i just want to add some missing OS function exemple on wiki
2017-04-15 12:02 <Ubit> :)
2017-04-15 12:02 <djphil> I read on mantis one personne want that
2017-04-15 12:03 <djphil> And I see some are missing
2017-04-15 12:03 <djphil> Probably it will not be complete but it will be better than nothing at all :p
2017-04-15 12:04 <Ubit> yeap.. wiki needs update
2017-04-15 12:04 <Ubit> just will not stop adding things bc of that :)
2017-04-15 12:04 <djphil> Yes ??? Sure ???
2017-04-15 12:04 <Ubit> maybe?
2017-04-15 12:04 <Ubit> :p
2017-04-15 12:09 <djphil> you know the Treath Level for him ?
2017-04-15 12:10 <Ubit> none
2017-04-15 12:10 <djphil> ty
2017-04-15 12:10 <Ubit> ( i added that category a few days ago :) )
2017-04-15 12:10 <Ubit> avaialble if ossl is.. 
2017-04-15 12:17 <djphil> is this correct ? http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsCheckODE
2017-04-15 12:18 <Ubit> no
2017-04-15 12:18 <djphil> Yeah ! ^^
2017-04-15 12:18 <Ubit> it returns a integer
2017-04-15 12:19 <djphil> yes, i write that
2017-04-15 12:19 <djphil> Returns the value of OpenDynamicsEngine as a integer.
2017-04-15 12:19 <Ubit> better description is that it checks if physics engine is legacy ODE
2017-04-15 12:19 <djphil> oki
2017-04-15 12:19 <Ubit> and returns 1 ( TRUE ) it is is, or 0 ( FALSE ) if not
2017-04-15 12:20 <Ubit> if(osCheckODE())
2017-04-15 12:20 <Ubit>  setupLimitedVehicle
2017-04-15 12:20 <Ubit> else
2017-04-15 12:20 <Ubit> setupFullVehicle
2017-04-15 12:21 <Ubit> is a use example
2017-04-15 12:21 <Ubit> or
2017-04-15 12:21 <djphil> Hmmm more complicate :s
2017-04-15 12:21 <Ubit> if(if(osCheckODE())
2017-04-15 12:21 <Ubit> {
2017-04-15 12:22 <Ubit> llOwnerSay(" this script requires Bullet or ubOde physics engine);
2017-04-15 12:22 <Ubit> llSleep...
2017-04-15 12:22 <Ubit> lldie();
2017-04-15 12:22 <Ubit> }
2017-04-15 12:22 <Ubit> :)
2017-04-15 12:22 <djphil> funny
2017-04-15 12:23 <Ubit> well that last example forgets the other engines :)
2017-04-15 12:24 <Ubit> (if(!osCheckODE()) .. lOwnerSay(" is not compatible with legacy ODE engine")
2017-04-15 12:24 <Ubit> something like that :)
2017-04-15 12:29 <djphil> Ok, updated, is ok now ?
2017-04-15 12:30 <Ubit> NO
2017-04-15 12:30 <djphil> iiiiiiii
2017-04-15 12:30 <Ubit> i gave 2 examples !!!
2017-04-15 12:30 <Ubit> not one
2017-04-15 12:30 <djphil> ha you want i separe in two scripts
2017-04-15 12:31 <Ubit>         if (osCheckODE())
2017-04-15 12:31 <Ubit>         {
2017-04-15 12:31 <Ubit>             llOwnerSay("This script requires Bullet or ubOde physics engine");
2017-04-15 12:31 <Ubit>         llSleep(5.0);
2017-04-15 12:31 <Ubit>         llDie();
2017-04-15 12:31 <Ubit>     }
2017-04-15 12:31 <Ubit> OR
2017-04-15 12:31 <Ubit> if (osCheckODE())
2017-04-15 12:31 <Ubit> {
2017-04-15 12:31 <Ubit>             llOwnerSay(" is not compatible with legacy ODE physics engine");
2017-04-15 12:31 <djphil> ok ok
2017-04-15 12:31 <Ubit> err "this script is not...
2017-04-15 12:32 <Ubit> but one example is enought.. pick one :)
2017-04-15 12:32 <Ubit> bmm mb lasr
2017-04-15 12:33 <Ubit>          ("This script is not compatible with legacy ODE physics engine");
2017-04-15 12:33 <Ubit> more usefull for new scripts possible
2017-04-15 12:35 <Ubit> rl calls have fun :)
2017-04-15 12:44 <djphil> Done with 2 exemples, hope is ok now :)
2017-04-15 14:19 <Plugh> djphil: What OS functions are missing from the Wiki? Last time I checked everything was there.
2017-04-15 14:20 <djphil> Hello, just a moment i write on Mantis
2017-04-15 14:20 <Plugh> ok
2017-04-15 14:25 <osmantis> Bug #8149:04 Please complete documentation of OSSL functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8149 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-04-15 14:26 <djphil> Plugh: No missing but no information and no exemple
2017-04-15 14:26 <djphil> and a user do a request here
2017-04-15 14:26 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8149
2017-04-15 14:26 <djphil> Just done to complete 5 OSSL function with exemple
2017-04-15 14:27 <djphil> Please tell me if you see error
2017-04-15 14:27 <djphil> or modify yourself :)
2017-04-15 14:28 <djphil> (if you have motivation) :p
2017-04-15 14:29 <djphil> This afternoon i started again test with OpenSim Profile
2017-04-15 14:30 <djphil> I ask you above about "userdata" table
2017-04-15 14:30 <djphil> Is a part of profile, right ?
2017-04-15 14:30 <djphil> i mean Built-In profile
2017-04-15 14:41 <Plugh> um... a report with the title of "Please complete documentation of OSSL functions" is going to remain open a long time.
2017-04-15 14:49 <Plugh> djphil: one trivial point. The word is "example" in English. :)
2017-04-15 14:50 <djphil> Ho with "a"
2017-04-15 14:50 <djphil> in french is "e" :p
2017-04-15 14:50 <djphil> Ty
2017-04-15 14:50 <Plugh> The examples look good. I might make minor change to the description of a couple of the ones you updated. Thanks for the updates.
2017-04-15 14:51 <Plugh> I've not used the health functions. I had no idea how quickly one regains health.
2017-04-15 14:52 <djphil> is set on OpenSim.ini at 0.5
2017-04-15 14:52 <djphil> and you can change this rate
2017-04-15 14:53 <djphil> Ex"a"mples are fixed!
2017-04-15 14:53 <djphil> Make description in hard for me ... :s
2017-04-15 14:54 <Plugh> You asked about the userdata table? I don't think I saw the question.
2017-04-15 14:54 <djphil> yes i ask
2017-04-15 14:55 <djphil> this table is a part of Profile, right ?
2017-04-15 14:55 <Plugh> If that is a table used with core profile module I don't know about it. I don't have a set up using core profiles.
2017-04-15 14:55 <djphil> ok
2017-04-15 14:55 <djphil> i do
2017-04-15 14:55 <djphil> and i see he is create with built-in profile
2017-04-15 14:55 <Plugh> ok
2017-04-15 14:56 <Plugh> Let me check the source tree...
2017-04-15 14:56 <djphil> but why your module don't have it ?
2017-04-15 14:56 <djphil> ha ok, i wait
2017-04-15 14:57 <Plugh> djphil: Yes, the userdata table is used by the core profile module.
2017-04-15 14:57 <djphil> oki, is confirmed!
2017-04-15 14:58 <djphil> and used for wat ?
2017-04-15 14:58 <djphil> what*
2017-04-15 14:58 <Plugh> The two modules may be storing information differently.
2017-04-15 14:58 <Plugh> I don't know. I can't tell from the table schema.
2017-04-15 14:58 <djphil> You mean the built-in and your ?
2017-04-15 14:58 <Plugh> right
2017-04-15 14:59 <djphil> shema is UserId, TagId, DataKey and DataVal
2017-04-15 15:00 <Plugh> Right
2017-04-15 15:00 <djphil> can i PM you a moment ?
2017-04-15 15:00 <Plugh> ok
2017-04-15 15:01 <Plugh> djphil: BTW, the motivation thing is a question of not spending time on things that don't really matter as I have way too many projects and other things on my ToDo list. The "show in search" is one of those things that isn't really worth the time to implement as it won't change anything inworld. It only affects accessing profiles via a website.
2017-04-15 15:02 <Plugh> Documentation is of interest to me and I do work on that as my time permits.
2017-04-15 15:03 <djphil> idem
2017-04-15 15:05 <djphil> Currently if a user wants to show or hide his profile on a website he can do it only through the interface of the website. It can not do this with the viewer. It's exact ?
2017-04-15 15:07 <Plugh> If a user wants to hide their profile from appearing on a website that show/hide decision would need to be made via a website page. It can't be set from a viewer. 
2017-04-15 15:10 <Plugh> I talked with other core devs the other day about this. To implement it means handling a CAP that may not be currently handled in order to allow the setting to be changed in the viewer. It isn't worth the time to make the code changes needed to allow the setting to be toggled via a viewer.
2017-04-15 15:10 <Plugh> There are more important things that need fixing.
2017-04-15 15:11 <djphil> I understand
2017-04-15 15:13 <Plugh> I'm not trying to put you off reporting things. If you hadn't reported that other things about the notes dialog I wouldn't have realized there are other buttons in the dialog that are seen in Firestorm but not in Singularity.
2017-04-15 15:25 <djphil> I have new things to report about the Built-In Profile
2017-04-15 15:25 <djphil> Soon :^p
2017-04-15 16:14 <djphil> ping danbanner
2017-04-15 17:49 <osmantis> Bug #8150:04 [LLCLIENTVIEW] Caught exception while processing OpenMetaverse Packe ts AvatarPropertiesRequestPacket 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8150 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2017-04-15 17:51 <osmantis> Bug #8150:04 [LLCLIENTVIEW] Caught exception while processing OpenMetaverse Packe ts AvatarPropertiesRequestPacket 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8150 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2017-04-15 22:56 <osmantis> Bug #8150:04 [LLCLIENTVIEW] Caught exception while processing OpenMetaverse Packe ts AvatarPropertiesRequestPacket 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8150 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-15 23:14 <osmantis> Bug #8150:04 [LLCLIENTVIEW] Caught exception while processing OpenMetaverse Packe ts AvatarPropertiesRequestPacket 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8150 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-15 23:18 <osmantis> Bug #8150:04 [LLCLIENTVIEW] Caught exception while processing OpenMetaverse Packe ts AvatarPropertiesRequestPacket 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8150 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-15 23:31 <osmantis> Bug #8150:04 [LLCLIENTVIEW] Caught exception while processing OpenMetaverse Packe ts AvatarPropertiesRequestPacket 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8150 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-15 23:37 <osmantis> Bug #8150:04 [LLCLIENTVIEW] Caught exception while processing OpenMetaverse Packe ts AvatarPropertiesRequestPacket 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8150 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-04-16 02:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #5412 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2017-04-16 02:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5412: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5412/
2017-04-16 02:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix active objects count down, a path at least
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2017-04-16 07:08 <osmantis> Bug #8150:04 [LLCLIENTVIEW] Caught exception while processing OpenMetaverse Packe ts AvatarPropertiesRequestPacket 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8150 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-04-16 07:11 <osmantis> Bug #8150:04 [LLCLIENTVIEW] Caught exception while processing OpenMetaverse Packe ts AvatarPropertiesRequestPacket 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8150 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-04-16 07:53 <djphil> Hello, what is the difference between osVolumeDetect and llVolumeDetect ?
2017-04-16 07:54 <Ubit> ignore osVolumeDetect a for now
2017-04-16 07:54 <Ubit> i plan to allow linked parts to be vdtc and not the all linkset
2017-04-16 07:55 <Ubit> but that was a bit more messy than i expected
2017-04-16 07:55 <djphil> vdtc ? what that ?
2017-04-16 07:56 <Ubit> VolumeDetect
2017-04-16 07:56 <djphil> ha oki, oops!
2017-04-16 07:56 <Ubit> hmm actuall volume is not that true
2017-04-16 07:56 <Ubit> some prims do surface detection only, not volume
2017-04-16 07:56 <Ubit> actually all, but true spheres and boxes
2017-04-16 07:57 <Ubit> ie somthing totally inside them is not detected
2017-04-16 07:57 <djphil> Interessing
2017-04-16 07:58 <djphil> So for a restricted area, actually when need to use sphere or box only
2017-04-16 07:59 <Ubit> yeap
2017-04-16 08:00 <djphil> If I asked for osVolumeDetect it is perfect that i wanted to continue to complement a little wiki opensim this morning
2017-04-16 08:00 <djphil> But apparently it is premature to do so for this function.
2017-04-16 08:00 <Ubit> yeap but not good as i said
2017-04-16 08:02 <djphil> Almost all OSSL functions are now complete. It will be necessary to add your new object teleport :)
2017-04-16 08:02 <djphil> i have teted it
2017-04-16 08:03 <Ubit> long range is... yeackkk
2017-04-16 08:04 <djphil> If I click a little too quickly, your new function does not seem to work.
2017-04-16 08:04 <djphil> I made a little script go / retrour to test this
2017-04-16 08:04 <Ubit> but i did tp from my region to sandbox plaza.. dont tell dan :p
2017-04-16 08:04 <Ubit> but its still exp.. its spec is for now on mantis
2017-04-16 08:04 <djphil> Dan he sleeps.
2017-04-16 08:12 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osTeleportObject 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-04-16 08:13 <Ubit> osTeleportObject has a cooldown time
2017-04-16 08:14 <Ubit> at least 1s on in region, some 30s to other regions
2017-04-16 08:14 <djphil> Ouch :s
2017-04-16 08:15 <Ubit> to avoid prims bouncing back alone forgotten on a region
2017-04-16 08:33 <osmantis> Bug #8151:04 [Built-in Profile] url don't persist on the Web tab 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8151 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2017-04-16 08:41 <osmantis> Bug #8152:04 [Built-in Profile] Show in search don't work on main tab 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8152 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2017-04-16 09:11 <djphil> The Get_Texture service is able to work with OpenSim in Standalone mode ?
2017-04-16 09:13 <djphil> I looked on the wiki but I did not see any precision about it.
2017-04-16 09:13 <djphil> The wiki seems to explain how to use it in grid mode only.
2017-04-16 09:42 <osmantis> Bug #8148:04 [RADMIN] RemoteAdmin PHP Class file is unusable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8148 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2017-04-16 09:42 <osmantis> Bug #8148:04 [RADMIN] RemoteAdmin PHP Class file is unusable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8148 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2017-04-16 11:48 <osmantis> Bug #8152:04 [Built-in Profile] Show in search don't work on main tab 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8152 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-16 14:21 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osTeleportObject 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-16 14:27 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osTeleportObject 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-04-16 14:30 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osTeleportObject 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-16 14:32 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osTeleportObject 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-04-16 17:52 <djphil> Has anyone ever had this error message with Groups V2 configured on a 0.9.0.1 simulator in Standalone without Hypergrid mode https://pastebin.com/v3REMCKn ?
2017-04-16 18:34 <Plugh> djphil: Do you have "Old Guids=true" in the DB connection string in your ini file?
2017-04-16 18:36 <Plugh> bbl
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2017-04-17 00:07 <osmantis> Bug #8153:04 maximum-size region with custom terrain, this warning will sometimes be the last issued before server blocks 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8153 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2017-04-17 06:24 <osmantis> Bug #8153:04 maximum-size region with custom terrain, this warning will sometimes be the last issued before server blocks 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8153 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-17 07:20 <djphil> Ubit you arround ?
2017-04-17 07:23 <djphil> Hmm
2017-04-17 07:23 <djphil> Anyone know if OpenSimProfile_ver0.6.zip  include the NPC Profile ?
2017-04-17 07:24 <djphil> OpenSimProfile_ver0.6.zip is the version provided on OSGrid
2017-04-17 11:51 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osTeleportObject 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-17 11:57 <osmantis> Bug #8153:04 maximum-size region with custom terrain, this warning will sometimes be the last issued before server blocks 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8153 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-17 16:53 <djphil> Plugh: Hi, where is the commit da1f89eec40eaed2530ced8ec3701424075ce534, i don't see it ...
2017-04-17 16:53 <Plugh> I haven't pushed it yet
2017-04-17 16:54 <djphil> hahaha :p
2017-04-17 16:54 <djphil> is a pre commit then :)
2017-04-17 16:54 <djphil> how you today ?
2017-04-17 17:09 <Plugh> I've pushed the change.
2017-04-17 17:10 <Plugh> Meh
2017-04-17 17:33 <djphil> Tested and repported :)
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2017-04-17 23:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #5413 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-17 23:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5413: SUCCESS in 5 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5413/
2017-04-17 23:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  update ODE binaries for windows. Other platforms need to compile from opensim-libs repo, folder ODE-OpenSim-0.13.2, read file OPENSIM-README.txt. Remove code to reduce bounce on non physical placement, new unmanaged should handle that
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2017-04-18 04:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #5414 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-04-18 04:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  deleted a bit 2 much on last commit
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2017-04-18 13:43 <Arielle_> The tuesday afternoon developer meeting will be held at region "Projet Secret" today instead  of Wright. The Slurl is: hop://login.osgrid.org/Projet%20secret/175/134/77
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2017-04-19 13:07 <djphil_> Hello, if I delete the 7 tables os_groups_xxx and restart my simulator (grid mode without hypergrid), the 7 tables are not recreated automatically. This is normal?
2017-04-19 13:07 <djphil_> How can I recreate them then?
2017-04-19 13:07 <djphil_> That with Group V2
2017-04-19 13:29 <djphil_> If I delete the whole of my database, then the 7 Groups tables are created automatically.
2017-04-19 13:29 <djphil_> Hmmm
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2017-04-19 18:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #5415 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-19 18:17 <osmantis> Bug #8118:04 PGSQL - group messages are not deleted at expiry 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8118 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-19 18:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5415: SUCCESS in 7 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5415/
2017-04-19 18:19 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: update ubODE for Linux x86 and x86_64 to include lasted ODE 0.13.2
2017-04-19 18:19 <osmantis> Bug #8085:04 PGSQL - missing support for OBJECT_REZZER_KEY in commit 7c566d 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8085 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-19 18:23 <osmantis> Bug #8118:04 PGSQL - group messages are not deleted at expiry 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8118 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-19 18:24 <osmantis> Bug #8118:04 PGSQL - group messages are not deleted at expiry 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8118 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-19 18:26 <osmantis> Bug #8118:04 PGSQL - group messages are not deleted at expiry 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8118 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-19 18:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #5416 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-19 18:28 <osmantis> Bug #8085:04 PGSQL - missing support for OBJECT_REZZER_KEY in commit 7c566d 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8085 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-19 18:31 <osmantis> Bug #8085:04 PGSQL - missing support for OBJECT_REZZER_KEY in commit 7c566d 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8085 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-19 18:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5416: SUCCESS in 5 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5416/
2017-04-19 18:33 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: PGSQL: Fixed a failing query in GroupsData for deleting groups messages older than 14 days. The little known abstime function could be used for a double cast. The field TMStamp should be changed to store the data as a proper timestamp. Related to Mantis #7848. Usually this would easily be solved using the to_timestamp function, but there is no support for it in NPGSQL as there are no very close functionality in .NET
2017-04-19 18:46 <osmantis> Bug #8085:04 PGSQL - missing support for OBJECT_REZZER_KEY in commit 7c566d 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8085 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-19 18:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #5417 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-19 18:52 <osmantis> Bug #8118:04 PGSQL - group messages are not deleted at expiry 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8118 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-19 18:52 <osmantis> Bug #8118:04 PGSQL - group messages are not deleted at expiry 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8118 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-04-19 18:53 <osmantis> Bug #8085:04 PGSQL - missing support for OBJECT_REZZER_KEY in commit 7c566d 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8085 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-04-19 18:56 <djphil_> nebadon : hi ;)
2017-04-19 18:56 <djphil_> That fix the Group V2 database auto creation ?
2017-04-19 18:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5417: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5417/
2017-04-19 18:57 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: update for The new Constant: integer OBJECT_REZZER_KEY = 32 + adding missing support for fields in the prims table.
2017-04-19 19:28 <nebadon> hey sorry djphil_ i ran to store
2017-04-19 19:28 <nebadon> i am not sure but i dont think so
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2017-04-19 22:44 <djphil_> Ok, thank you Neb
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2017-04-20 01:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #5418 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-20 01:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5418: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5418/
2017-04-20 01:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  update ode binaries for windows; add a minimal velocity for bounce
2017-04-20 02:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #5419 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-20 02:41 <djphil_> About OpenSim Search on the opensim wiki
2017-04-20 02:41 <djphil_> i don't see Module = "OpenSimSearch";
2017-04-20 02:41 <djphil_> here http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OpenSimSearch
2017-04-20 02:41 <djphil_> Is that normal or i can add it ?
2017-04-20 02:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5419: SUCCESS in 5 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5419/
2017-04-20 02:43 <osjenkins> nebadon2025: update ode binaries for linux; add a minimal velocity for bounce
2017-04-20 02:45 <Plugh> djphil_: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OpenSimSearch
2017-04-20 02:46 <djphil_> yes ?
2017-04-20 02:46 <djphil_> 01i don't see Module = "OpenSimSearch";01
2017-04-20 02:47 <djphil_> i see only:
2017-04-20 02:47 <djphil_> [Search]
2017-04-20 02:47 <Plugh> Don't see it where?
2017-04-20 02:47 <djphil_> SearchURL = http://gridserver/search/query.php
2017-04-20 02:47 <djphil_> at the bottom
2017-04-20 02:51 <djphil_> I proposed to do it if it was necessary but I see you did it, thank you :)
2017-04-20 02:52 <djphil_> I have tested your basically and it seems to work very well.
2017-04-20 02:52 <djphil_> Finally I give you good news ;)
2017-04-20 02:58 <Plugh> When you are testing Profile module make sure you are testing it only in regular grid mode (ie. not HG enabled) or in standalone mode. Make sure you don't have core profile enabled at the same time.
2017-04-20 03:01 <djphil_> Currently only tested with standalone and grid
2017-04-20 03:01 <djphil_> (Both without hypergrid and both with external module only)
2017-04-20 03:04 <Plugh> I test in Standalone mode.
2017-04-20 03:04 <djphil_> from scratch ?
2017-04-20 03:06 <Plugh> Not recently but most of the issues you are reporting weren't related to starting from scratch
2017-04-20 03:06 <djphil_> yes, from scratch is important!
2017-04-20 03:07 <djphil_> ok, time for me, night ;)
2017-04-20 03:08 <Plugh> Only one report was about starting from scratch
2017-04-20 13:21 <osmantis> Bug #8154:04 llResetOtherScript stops script execution 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8154 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-04-20 13:44 <osmantis> Bug #8147:04 Could not load type 'OpenSim.Region.OptionalModules.Framework.Monitoring.EtcdMonitoringModule - Standalone 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8147 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-20 13:45 <osmantis> Bug #8147:04 Could not load type 'OpenSim.Region.OptionalModules.Framework.Monitoring.EtcdMonitoringModule - Standalone 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8147 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-04-20 14:25 <osmantis> Bug #8155:04 [PGSQL] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8155 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-04-20 14:25 <osmantis> Bug #8155:04 [PGSQL] - add support for storing physics intertia override in the database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8155 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2017-04-20 14:28 <osmantis> Bug #8155:04 [PGSQL] - add support for storing physics intertia override in the database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8155 ): has been UPDATED.
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2017-04-20 18:59 <johnnybank> hello all i hoping someone can help me solve what i think may be a db error but i have no idea
2017-04-20 18:59 <johnnybank> 2017-04-20 14:54:04,802 ERROR - OpenSim.Application [APPLICATION]:  APPLICATION EXCEPTION DETECTED: System.UnhandledExceptionEventArgs  Exception: System.Exception: Could not load an ISimulationDataService implementation from OpenSim.Services.SimulationService.dll:SimulationDataService, as configured in the LocalServiceModule parameter of the [SimulationDataStore] config section.    at OpenSim.OpenSimBase.StartupSpecific()    
2017-04-20 19:00 <johnnybank> any suggestions please let me know
2017-04-20 19:23 <johnnybank> anyone have anything i can try
2017-04-20 19:40 <Plugh> First thing to do is double check your database connection strings. Check that the database user has been given the required permissions to access the databases.
2017-04-20 19:47 <johnnybank> just did that and all requirements are met idk if it makes a differance but i had trouople with the actual mysql database and am trying to use the latest MariaDB as a substitute
2017-04-20 19:54 <Plugh> You can use the command line database access program to verify that you have the correct user ID and password, and perms, to access the databases.
2017-04-20 19:55 <Plugh> You can check for errors in the databases. MariaDB vs MySQL should not cause any issues.
2017-04-20 19:59 <Plugh> The reference to SimulationDataStore makes me think it is more likely a DB related issue. It is very easy to miss one little thing in the INI files that can manifest as a problem later on.
2017-04-20 20:00 <johnnybank> right i found a gui that worked on the older versions of the db now what i did was mod the ini card for the gui and aimed it at the newer version
2017-04-20 20:02 <johnnybank> thing is idk what command id use in the commandline shell to check that everything is good i tried the mysql command and got errors ie -u to specify a user
2017-04-20 20:04 <Plugh> Use the same credentials when starting up the command line tool that you use in the DB connection string. 
2017-04-20 20:04 <Plugh> I haven't used MariaDB. For MySQL I would use "mysql -u username -p" then enter the password when prompted.
2017-04-20 20:06 <Plugh> After that you can select one of the databases associated with the connection string for that username and ask it to SHOW TABLES. If you see the list of tables then you have a good set of username/password/perms.
2017-04-20 20:09 <Plugh> johnnybank: Do you have "Old Guids=true;" at the end of the database connection string? I'm not sure if that is still needed with MariaDB. I do use it with my Standalone setup that uses MySQL
2017-04-20 20:13 <Plugh> johnnybank: BTW, don't forget that you may have more than one connection string. One for the main databases and one for estate information.
2017-04-20 20:17 <johnnybank> see im trying to run the diva distro for the setup just want to have fun see if i can get it if so i may make a vido tutorial
2017-04-20 20:20 <Plugh> ok
2017-04-20 20:20 <Plugh> Hey, dan
2017-04-20 20:24 <Plugh> bbl. I need to go afk for a while.
2017-04-20 20:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #5420 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-20 20:25 <johnnybank> ok plugh
2017-04-20 20:26 <johnnybank> well now i gotta figure out how to check persmishions
2017-04-20 20:27 <osmantis> Bug #8155:04 [PGSQL] - add support for storing physics intertia override in the database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8155 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-20 20:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5420: SUCCESS in 5 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5420/
2017-04-20 20:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: store the physics inertia override in the database
2017-04-20 20:31 <johnnybank> anyone know how to check permisonsh on a db table from the shell
2017-04-20 20:48 <osmantis> Bug #8154:04 llResetOtherScript stops script execution 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8154 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-20 20:57 <johnnybank> welp if i may have to try to get mysql to sadly
2017-04-20 21:08 <osmantis> Bug #8154:04 llResetOtherScript stops script execution 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8154 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-20 21:19 <osmantis> Bug #8154:04 llResetOtherScript stops script execution 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8154 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-20 22:56 <johnnybank> hey plugh you back?
2017-04-20 23:05 <johnnybank> anyone who can help with mysql
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2017-04-20 23:28 <johnnybank> dang man just when i get mysql to work right lol no one on to help
2017-04-20 23:29 <Plugh> I'm back. 
2017-04-20 23:30 <Plugh> What was the problem you had with the mysql setup?
2017-04-20 23:32 <johnnybank> well its not that now from what i can see lol but idk where to check now i have gooten rid of the marien db and gone straight mysql
2017-04-20 23:33 <johnnybank> but still getting same error
2017-04-20 23:34 <johnnybank> ill post just a snipbit here 2017-04-20 19:20:34,469 ERROR - OpenSim.Application [APPLICATION]:  APPLICATION EXCEPTION DETECTED: System.UnhandledExceptionEventArgs  Exception: System.Exception: Could not load an ISimulationDataService implementation from OpenSim.Services.SimulationService.dll:SimulationDataService, as configured in the LocalServiceModule parameter of the [SimulationDataStore] config section.    at OpenSim.Open
2017-04-20 23:35 <johnnybank> if need be i do have skype for screen share or i have gyzao for snpshots
2017-04-20 23:37 <johnnybank> one question that comes because i am trying to run the diva distro do i still need the two user accouts or with the new sql will one work
2017-04-20 23:48 <Plugh> two user accounts?
2017-04-20 23:48 <Plugh> You can use a single mysql user to access all the databases needed by OpenSim
2017-04-20 23:49 <Plugh> Whether you use one or more than one you need to make sure that the database user has the perms needed on the databases.
2017-04-20 23:50 <johnnybank> right ok now question is why am i getting the errors lol
2017-04-20 23:52 <johnnybank> i have a usernamed opensim@localhost that has full access to a db called opensim wich atm is a blank db
2017-04-20 23:55 <Plugh> Hm... Did you remember to uncomment one of the lines in the Architecture section of the main OpenSim.ini?
2017-04-20 23:56 <johnnybank> wait what line i did not see anything about this im following the instrustions from the diva distro lol
2017-04-20 23:57 <johnnybank> that could be my problem
2017-04-20 23:58 <Plugh> hm... I haven't used the diva distro. Do you have the URL to the setup info for diva (so I don't have to go looking for it)?
2017-04-20 23:59 <Plugh> A typical opensim setup has the database settings in GridCommon.ini or StandaloneCommon.ini
2017-04-21 00:00 <Plugh> The main OpenSim.ini file has a section near the bottom called [Architecture]. One of the lines in that section needs to be uncommented depending on what configuration you want for your running of OpenSim.
2017-04-21 00:00 <Plugh> I would expect that would still be the same for the Diva version of OpenSim.
2017-04-21 00:01 <johnnybank> https://github.com/diva/d2/wiki
2017-04-21 00:02 <johnnybank> fond the section in ini it reads [Architecture]     Include-Architecture = "config-include/DivaPreferences.ini"
2017-04-21 00:03 <Plugh> yea, I was just looking at the source files for it and saw the same thing.
2017-04-21 00:04 <johnnybank> ahh you found the files them selfs cool
2017-04-21 00:05 <johnnybank> id like to see this work and if i can like i siad id do a write up or vid about it
2017-04-21 00:05 <Plugh> hm... it includes that Diva Prefs file which then expects your changes to be in MyWorld.ini
2017-04-21 00:09 <Plugh> Can you pastebin your MyWorld.ini file? Just remember to * the passwords in the file.
2017-04-21 00:10 <Plugh> johnnybank: What operating system are you using to run the code?
2017-04-21 00:14 <Plugh> Interesting. The Diva package has an executable used to do the configuration
2017-04-21 00:29 <johnnybank> ok sry im using windows and as for the diva exe that is configure the wifi app wich does the same thing as the sl welcomepage in the viewer
2017-04-21 00:29 <johnnybank> as for paste bin on moment
2017-04-21 00:33 <johnnybank> https://pastebin.com/GH3p6cU9
2017-04-21 00:34 <diva_> if you are using the diva distribution you should not be editing any config file by hand
2017-04-21 00:42 <johnnybank> right diva i have not
2017-04-21 00:44 <johnnybank> but i still have no idea why it crashes
2017-04-21 00:57 <johnnybank> plugh hope that pastebin worked
2017-04-21 01:06 <johnnybank> brb all have to step away a moment
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2017-04-21 06:37 <johnnybank> hello all any one on who can help solve what seems to be a mysql db error
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2017-04-21 09:14 <osmantis> Bug #8154:04 llResetOtherScript stops script execution 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8154 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-21 10:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #5421 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-21 10:07 <osmantis> Bug #8154:04 llResetOtherScript stops script execution 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8154 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-21 10:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5421: SUCCESS in 5 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5421/
2017-04-21 10:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  mantis 8154 dont let self lResetOtherScript mean harakiri
2017-04-21 10:33 <osmantis> Bug #8154:04 llResetOtherScript stops script execution 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8154 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-21 10:41 <osmantis> Bug #8154:04 llResetOtherScript stops script execution 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8154 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-04-21 11:55 <johnnybank> gm all have a on going issue where opensim.exe keeps crashing on startup do to a error that is thrown any one abel to help me sort this?
2017-04-21 11:55 <Ubit> see opensim.log abotu the error
2017-04-21 11:56 <johnnybank> ahh ubit i have cheched that but not much help a first thought it was a db configuration error but was abel to find it was not
2017-04-21 11:58 <Ubit> it should say something about the error
2017-04-21 11:58 <johnnybank> if u have a moment ubit https://pastebin.com/wK3zDg2c shows the log
2017-04-21 12:00 <Ubit> hmm diva disto?
2017-04-21 12:00 <johnnybank> yes lol
2017-04-21 12:00 <Ubit> ohh no idea :(
2017-04-21 12:00 <Ubit> but odd error
2017-04-21 12:01 <johnnybank> seems there is not much uptodate disxusshion about it thought it would be cool to get it working and do a vid or write up on it
2017-04-21 12:01 <Ubit> mb a missing file?
2017-04-21 12:02 <Ubit> or a error in conf?
2017-04-21 12:04 <johnnybank> well i know it is nothing with the mysqldb as i downloaded sim on a stick ran update program for it got the same diva distro version only and set it for the mysqldb and it launched fine cept if i tp to another grid i cant get back
2017-04-21 12:04 <Ubit> 10.System.IO.FileLoadException: Could not load file or assembly 'file:///C:\minigrid\diva-r08210\bin\OpenSim.Services.SimulationService.dll' or one of its dependencies. Operation is not supported. (Exception from HRESULT: 0x80131515)
2017-04-21 12:04 <Ubit> this is loading a dll
2017-04-21 12:04 <johnnybank> right
2017-04-21 12:04 <Ubit> either that one, or one it uses
2017-04-21 12:05 <johnnybank> so maybe i take all dll files from sim on a stick and copy them over?
2017-04-21 12:06 <Ubit> no clue sorry :(
2017-04-21 12:07 <johnnybank> lol its ok hell i even brought the opensim32.exe back in to that and well it gave someinfo it to crashed
2017-04-21 12:15 <johnnybank> aha think you were on to somthing with the dll there i did a copy and past from the working one to the non working one tried to load and got a differnt error this time coming from diva wifi
2017-04-21 12:25 <johnnybank> ok well that was a bust
2017-04-21 12:31 <Plugh> Still haven't resolved the database issue?
2017-04-21 12:36 <djphil__> Hi Plugh ;)
2017-04-21 12:36 <Plugh> Morning, djphil__
2017-04-21 12:36 <djphil__> johnnybank : If i remamber, Diva have a "Configure.exe" to set it proprely. have you try it ?
2017-04-21 12:37 <johnnybank> hey plugh its not the db
2017-04-21 12:37 <johnnybank> :)
2017-04-21 12:38 <Plugh> If you have solved the simulation data store error from yesterday what problem are you having now?
2017-04-21 12:40 <johnnybank> well same one only i ruled out the db as the direct cause of it because i downloaded sim on a stick wich uses diva as well got the update and rest the config using my own db info not the db that sim on a stick came with
2017-04-21 12:42 <johnnybank> but odlly enough plugh when i replace all the .dll files in the one diva folder with copies of the .dll files from sim on a stick it goes a bit further in the setup but still crashes
2017-04-21 12:44 <Plugh> Let's take a step back and go over some basic questions.
2017-04-21 12:45 <johnnybank> https://pastebin.com/j5gzXHTd
2017-04-21 12:45 <Plugh> You said you are running Windows, IIRC. Are you trying to configure OpenSim for standalone mode or grid mode?
2017-04-21 12:46 <johnnybank> how ever diva is setup i belive it is grid mode tho where my pc acts as the server for the grid
2017-04-21 12:46 <johnnybank> btw that paste bin link is the new log file
2017-04-21 12:47 <Plugh> If you are running in Grid mode you need to start Robust before you start OpenSim
2017-04-21 12:47 <Plugh> That is an interesting error message in the log file.
2017-04-21 12:48 <johnnybank> where do i find that? because nothing in the instructions said anything about that
2017-04-21 12:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #5422 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-21 12:54 <Plugh> I just looked at the wiki for the diva distro and it says it is a pre-configured HG enabled standalone server. In that case you don't need Robust as that is only needed for grid mode configurations.
2017-04-21 12:54 <djphil__> By default, Diva is preconfigurend for Standalone Mode with Hypegrid enabled. maybee this can help you https://github.com/diva/d2/wiki/Installation
2017-04-21 12:55 <Plugh> I'm looking to see what dependencies are required. The error message in the log file makes me wonder if a newer version of .NET needs to be installed on the Windows machine.
2017-04-21 12:56 <johnnybank> phil i have looked that over a thousand times lol
2017-04-21 12:56 <djphil__> oki oki :)
2017-04-21 12:56 <johnnybank> plugh if that were the case wold on sim on a stick fail too?
2017-04-21 12:57 <johnnybank> *not
2017-04-21 12:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5422: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5422/
2017-04-21 12:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  update ode binaries for windows
2017-04-21 12:58 <Plugh> johnnybank: Both diva distro and soas would fail if they don't have the version of .NET required to run them. Which version of Windows are you using? What version(s) of .NET do you have installed?
2017-04-21 13:00 <Ubit> guess thats done in 3.5 ?
2017-04-21 13:03 <Plugh> hm... more ode updates. :)
2017-04-21 13:03 <Ubit> or bugs :p
2017-04-21 13:04 <djphil__> no please :p
2017-04-21 13:04 <Ubit> of course !
2017-04-21 13:04 <Ubit> what is opensim without nice bugs? :p
2017-04-21 13:04 <Plugh> :)
2017-04-21 13:05 <Ubit> and ode ones are so funny.. SEGMENTION FAULT and alike :)
2017-04-21 13:06 <Plugh> johnny mentioned using Win 10 and .NET 4.5?
2017-04-21 13:06 <Plugh> Wasn't sure about the .NET version
2017-04-21 13:08 <Plugh> johnny said in a PM that sim on a stick runs but not the diva version
2017-04-21 13:08 <Plugh> I've not used either and I don't have any OpenSim set up under Windows on my machines.
2017-04-21 13:09 <Plugh> I've only been running code I compile myself.
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2017-04-21 13:17 <Plugh> food time. bbl.
2017-04-21 13:53 <johnnybank> hey plugh
2017-04-21 13:55 <johnnybank> i see we have youcandoit they wouldnt happen to be the one fromm voodoo security would they?
2017-04-21 14:03 <Plugh> wb, johnnybank
2017-04-21 14:03 <johnnybank> ty plugh and to u as well
2017-04-21 14:03 <Plugh> um... is that a comment meant for another channel?
2017-04-21 14:04 <johnnybank> no simply asking the user if they were the same person
2017-04-21 14:04 <Plugh> oh, ok
2017-04-21 14:04 <johnnybank> i know someone with same name and belive same spelling from sl
2017-04-21 14:05 <johnnybank> any who back to the matter at hand lol i belive i have the latest dot net framework installed since simonadisk runs fine
2017-04-21 14:08 <Plugh> ok
2017-04-21 14:12 <johnnybank> so im wondering what is the difference between the too that would cause one to run fine and the other to crap out
2017-04-21 14:13 <Plugh> No idea. I haven't used either of those versions of OS and I don't run OS under Windows.
2017-04-21 14:14 <Plugh> At least you have sorted out the SimulationDataStore error you had previously.
2017-04-21 14:15 <johnnybank> well i wonder if the external host name might be to blame
2017-04-21 14:17 <johnnybank> i do know one way to find out
2017-04-21 14:20 <Plugh> johnnybank: If you are referring to the ExternalHostName entry in the ini file under the Regions directory, that could be a problem. Do you have it set to a name that resolves to an IP address?
2017-04-21 14:21 <Plugh> Or an actual IP addy rather than just SYSTEMIP
2017-04-21 14:21 <johnnybank> yes but i just tried to use the internal 127.0.0.1 and that failed to
2017-04-21 14:22 <Plugh> Do you have InternalAddress set to 0.0.0.0?
2017-04-21 14:23 <johnnybank> they dont ask for a internal ip when u run the config.exe
2017-04-21 14:23 <Plugh> I use ExternalHostName = SYSTEMIP but I'm running a standalone. I'm not expecting or wanting connections from outside my machine.
2017-04-21 14:25 <johnnybank> may what i should do is get the latest ditro of just pail open sim see if i can get that working and build regions from there problem is i know nothing of the hg side of thindgs or how to set stuff up so i can use hg
2017-04-21 14:29 <Plugh> "pail open sim"? Do you mean "plain open sim"?
2017-04-21 14:29 <johnnybank> yes lol
2017-04-21 14:31 <Plugh> The main thing about using plain OS is configuring it by hand. There is no Configure.exe to run. For a standalone most(?) of the defaults will be ok for you but you will want to review the settings at some point.
2017-04-21 14:31 <Plugh> Configuring it with HG support is simple enough.
2017-04-21 14:32 <Plugh> There is a line in [Architecture] that reads -> Include-Architecture = "config-include/StandaloneHypergrid.ini"
2017-04-21 14:32 <Plugh> You would uncomment that line. There will be a few other settings you need to change in ini files located in config-include.
2017-04-21 14:48 <Plugh> hm... I have a copy of diva-distribution on my machine. I haven't updated it since Aug 2015. :)
2017-04-21 14:48 <Plugh> Time to do a git pull on the tree.
2017-04-21 14:58 <johnnybank> y dont u have the update file in it or no?
2017-04-21 15:24 <Plugh> update file?? I was just saying I have diva distro but I need to update it as I pulled it directly from its main code repository.
2017-04-21 15:25 <Plugh> Looking over my files I found I had a source tree for my email updates to OS. I've just done more work on it and it now compiles without any errors. :)
2017-04-21 15:29 <johnnybank> nice
2017-04-21 15:30 <johnnybank> but i am thinking you are using linux correct?
2017-04-21 15:33 <diva_> johnnybank check your .net installation
2017-04-21 15:35 <diva_> and google is your friend for finding answers to errors like the one you are having
2017-04-21 15:35 <johnnybank> ill check it
2017-04-21 15:37 <Plugh> johnnybank: yes, I'm using Linux.
2017-04-21 15:37 <Plugh> diva_: I was suspecting a .NET issue.
2017-04-21 15:54 <johnnybank> now i gotta figure out how the heck to check .net cause i have the one installed that mysql called for on that install suppose its best to find latest for win 10 and do a install see what happens
2017-04-21 15:56 <johnnybank> welp i have 4.6.1 or later installed on my pc so idk where else to check other then using offical installer
2017-04-21 16:01 <johnnybank> dang think i fond my issue gonna do a restart and ill be back
2017-04-21 16:14 <Plugh> johnnybank: Fixed the problem and is so, what was the problem?
2017-04-21 16:16 <johnnybank> well i have 4.6 installed redid the config using the config.exe file and made sure all dot net services were statred but still crashing
2017-04-21 16:22 <Plugh> Is it still crashing in the diva dll file?
2017-04-21 16:23 <diva_> if you are getting the exact same error, you have something weird in your *configuration* of .net and/or in the location where you have placed D2 -- maybe a network location? Google the error, and you'll see
2017-04-21 16:24 <johnnybank> ok
2017-04-21 16:24 <johnnybank> https://pastebin.com/FEGPSt4w
2017-04-21 16:25 <johnnybank> is the latest log file
2017-04-21 16:25 <diva_> I"m not going to do this for you again, here's the error: System.NotSupportedException: An attempt was made to load an assembly from a network location which would have caused the assembly to be sandboxed in previous versions of the .NET Framework. This release of the .NET Framework does not enable CAS policy by default, so this load may be dangerous. If this load is not intended to sandbox 
2017-04-21 16:25 <diva_> the assembly, please enable the loadFromRemoteSources switch. See http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=155569 for more information.
2017-04-21 16:26 <diva_> that's what's in your log, that's what you need to research and fix
2017-04-21 16:30 <Plugh> diva_: I just looked it up but I'll let johnnybank do that for himself. Its a simple solution.
2017-04-21 16:31 <Plugh> Time to break for lunch. I'll set up for a test of the updated SMTP support later. I need to get back to working on the doc I was supposed to be working on this morning instead of this mail system update.
2017-04-21 18:05 <djphil> Plugh your serach module work on your grid ?
2017-04-21 18:05 <djphil> If yes, that strange lol
2017-04-21 18:05 <djphil> search*
2017-04-21 18:07 <Plugh> yes, it does
2017-04-21 18:08 <djphil> With the recently reported errors, this is amazing ...
2017-04-21 18:08 <djphil> eg: "regions" table is 100 different
2017-04-21 18:08 <djphil> 100%*
2017-04-21 18:11 <Plugh> ?
2017-04-21 18:11 <djphil> Here is table region repport:
2017-04-21 18:11 <djphil> https://github.com/kcozens/OpenSimSearch/issues/4
2017-04-21 18:12 <djphil> and your php call "regionuuid " like your sql file
2017-04-21 18:12 <djphil> but in grid mode, regions table don't have field called "regionuuid"
2017-04-21 18:13 <djphil> the name is "uuid"
2017-04-21 18:13 <djphil> and some other like that ...
2017-04-21 18:13 <djphil> if i remplace original regions table by your
2017-04-21 18:13 <djphil> then i have warring on robust, of course
2017-04-21 18:14 <djphil> invalid locX, locY ... etc ...
2017-04-21 18:14 <djphil> of couse your regions table is 100% different ...
2017-04-21 18:14 <djphil> can you explain to me ?
2017-04-21 18:49 <Plugh> git pull
2017-04-21 18:50 <djphil> :)
2017-04-21 18:50 <djphil> now comment added for issue 4
2017-04-21 18:51 <johnnybank> yo plugh and diva i got it ty both for not giving away all the answers lol 
2017-04-21 18:53 <johnnybank> so much work to be done now bahahaha
2017-04-21 19:01 <johnnybank> graphics is glitching lol be back after restart
2017-04-21 19:30 <djphil> Cool, issue -1 :p
2017-04-21 19:30 <Plugh> -1?
2017-04-21 19:33 <djphil> yes, i see issue 3 is closed too now
2017-04-21 19:33 <djphil> now comment added on 4
2017-04-21 19:33 <djphil> new*
2017-04-21 19:49 <Plugh> I think I amended my last comment before you added to issue 4. If I haven't addressed your concerns I'll get to it later. I am supposed to be working on some documentation for one of my projects.
2017-04-21 19:49 <djphil> ok
2017-04-21 19:55 <Plugh> Only 4 viewers? I have 6 installed.  :)
2017-04-21 20:10 <johnnybank> welp i am back lol hopefully last restart
2017-04-21 20:50 <djphil> Hmm I still have to look for 2 ;p
2017-04-21 20:52 <johnnybank> hey there djphil
2017-04-21 20:52 <djphil> yeah in Viewers mode ^^
2017-04-21 20:54 <johnnybank> hey diva you around?
2017-04-21 21:25 <johnnybank> hey plugh i got it thanks for the help lolnow i gotta figure out why when i tp out of sim viewer gives me message cat fetch profile data
2017-04-21 21:26 <Plugh> ok, good. 
2017-04-21 21:30 <johnnybank> step in the write direction at least lol and i also got a voice server so another on my check list to add lol
2017-04-21 21:32 <Plugh> You are using core profile module?
2017-04-21 21:36 <johnnybank> i have not changed anything in the diva distro lol cept what u all pointed me to so it would compile
2017-04-21 21:38 <johnnybank> i think that it might be on my end ok if i send a im with my grids wifi page?
2017-04-21 21:46 <Plugh> Hm... the email module doesn't get 127.0.0.1 as the default value for host_domain_header_from
2017-04-21 21:46 <johnnybank> whats up?
2017-04-21 21:46 <johnnybank> o you working on the email script lol
2017-04-21 21:47 <Plugh> I'm updating the portion of OpenSimulator that sends email messages.
2017-04-21 21:47 <djphil> :)
2017-04-21 21:47 <Plugh> I'm just getting my configuration right.
2017-04-21 21:47 <djphil> i hope it can work under windows now
2017-04-21 21:47 <Plugh> It didn't like the "from" address.
2017-04-21 21:48 <Plugh> yes, it will. I'm using the standard System.Net.Mail that has been around since .NET 2.0
2017-04-21 21:49 <Plugh> :P
2017-04-21 21:49 <djphil> Old mantis about Email module under windows can be found here : http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6559
2017-04-21 21:49 <Plugh> Message could not be sent. 
2017-04-21 21:52 <johnnybank> is there not already a bunch of built email servers already that work for windows?
2017-04-21 21:53 <djphil> you mean email server or email module ?
2017-04-21 21:53 <Plugh> OpenSim acts as an email client.
2017-04-21 21:54 <johnnybank> from what i saw on that page seems like u need a server to login to
2017-04-21 21:55 <johnnybank> so intheroy couldnt you use say a gmail address to send mail from?
2017-04-21 21:55 <djphil> you can use the email server from your provider
2017-04-21 21:55 <djphil> but not with DotNetOpenMail from 2006
2017-04-21 21:55 <djphil> and that is used by by the actual DefaulEmail Module
2017-04-21 21:56 <djphil> Gmail requiere authentification i think ...
2017-04-21 21:56 <djphil> In Diva that work by default with Gmail
2017-04-21 21:56 <johnnybank> right i see what you are trying to do plugh heck i have done it in sl have a prim that send say local chat to a email address then that email could send mail back to the prim and the prim would say it in world
2017-04-21 21:58 <johnnybank> hey dj if i drop a link in your im can u tell me if u can reach it?
2017-04-21 21:58 <djphil> a dangerous like ?
2017-04-21 21:58 <djphil> yes you can
2017-04-21 21:58 <djphil> link*
2017-04-21 21:59 <johnnybank> naa link just hits the sign up page for my minigrid
2017-04-21 21:59 <djphil> is available :)
2017-04-21 21:59 <Plugh> bbl. Dinner is ready.
2017-04-21 22:00 <johnnybank> hb
2017-04-21 22:00 <johnnybank> sweet so now i gotta figure out what i messed up during setup lol
2017-04-21 22:01 <djphil> good luck :)
2017-04-21 22:01 <johnnybank> and i know anymoment diva will hit over the head with a fry pan
2017-04-21 22:59 <Plugh> All I'm getting is message could not be sent. I'll have to figure out how to use wireshark to see what is going on.
2017-04-21 23:24 <johnnybank> well there u go plugh best of luck
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2017-04-22 01:24 <osmantis> Bug #8146:04 Fix spelling of OSTPOBJ_STOPATTARRGET 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8146 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-22 01:24 <osmantis> Bug #8146:04 Fix spelling of OSTPOBJ_STOPATTARRGET 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8146 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2017-04-22 04:50 <johnnybank> hey plugh how goes the battle?
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2017-04-22 15:00 <djphil> Hi Plugh, take a look here
2017-04-22 15:00 <djphil> http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/68252620170422165311.jpg
2017-04-22 15:00 <djphil> http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/33659020170422165137.jpg
2017-04-22 15:00 <djphil> http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/81134620170422165232.jpg
2017-04-22 16:23 <johnnybank> plugh you around?
2017-04-22 16:25 <johnnybank> or diva?
2017-04-22 16:26 <Plugh> I am but not for much longer. My lunch will be ready soon.
2017-04-22 16:30 <johnnybank> ahhh just quick question when using fire fox is profile data supposed to be enabled when i teleport to another sim or is there a glitch there?
2017-04-22 16:30 <johnnybank> cause i get flodded with error message about it not being
2017-04-22 16:31 <Plugh> I think you mean Firestorm.  :)  If the region you TP to has been configured to support profile you will be able to get profile data there.
2017-04-22 16:32 <johnnybank> yes ment firstorm lol ty
2017-04-22 16:32 <Plugh> Are you TPing to another region that you have set up or are you doing an HG TP to a region maintained by someone else?
2017-04-22 16:33 <johnnybank> so tping to the osgrid is how i found the error so i may need to ask dan banner about it
2017-04-22 16:35 <johnnybank> ill have to jump to other grids see what i find
2017-04-22 16:37 <Plugh> What is the error message?
2017-04-22 16:37 <johnnybank> also do u know if diva is planning a update to the distro
2017-04-22 16:39 <Plugh> johnnybank: I have no idea about that distro. I haven't been following its development as I don't use it.
2017-04-22 16:39 <Plugh> lunch time. bbl.
2017-04-22 16:42 <YouCanDolT> diva's distro is grate but sadly its crazy letting robust crash by opening some links in browser when its going to robust grid mode lol. don't know if anyone noticed this but I write here only one time now about it. not going to repeat
2017-04-22 16:42 <johnnybank> hey you can
2017-04-22 17:23 <djphil> Is that the correct values for classifields flags ? 4 = PG content,
2017-04-22 17:23 <djphil> 8 = Mature content and 32 = Publish each week
2017-04-22 17:26 <diva_> YouCanDoIt what are you talking about. Diva Distro is a standalone
2017-04-22 17:27 <diva_> there is no robust
2017-04-22 17:36 <YouCanDolT> standalone, yes,  but some run it in robust grid mode lol
2017-04-22 17:37 <diva_> sorry, I can't even parse what you are saying. D2 is a standalone. You may be talking about the Wifi webapp, which is something else
2017-04-22 17:38 <johnnybank> hey diva how do i resize the 512 region so it is 256?
2017-04-22 17:38 <diva_> however, if some ppl are using D2 in a grid config, they're on their own territory, far from what D2 is supposed to do
2017-04-22 17:38 <johnnybank> i did adjust in the region.ini but still when launched it is 512
2017-04-22 17:39 <johnnybank> wait no im wrong 
2017-04-22 17:39 <johnnybank> nm
2017-04-22 17:44 <johnnybank> any way lol i answer my own question do i get a cookie?
2017-04-22 18:14 <Plugh> djphil: Those values are correct
2017-04-22 18:15 <djphil> ha ok
2017-04-22 18:15 <djphil> a little bit strange, i don't see Adult when i post a classifield
2017-04-22 18:15 <djphil> You have "Adult" on this tab ?
2017-04-22 18:15 <djphil> i have tested with 3 viwers :p
2017-04-22 18:29 <Ubit> what is the region maturity?
2017-04-22 18:29 <Ubit> and what is yr maturity filter ?
2017-04-22 18:29 <Ubit> did u check they include adult?
2017-04-22 18:30 <djphil> in viewer yes, i set to see adult
2017-04-22 18:30 <djphil> but just see now region flag is PG
2017-04-22 18:30 <djphil> now i understand :)
2017-04-22 18:30 <djphil> ty Ubit
2017-04-22 18:31 <djphil> Hmmm
2017-04-22 18:31 <djphil> maybee need restart or clear cash lol
2017-04-22 18:31 <Ubit> well i also don't see adult on my region lol
2017-04-22 18:31 <djphil> i turn region on adult but don't see adult in classifield
2017-04-22 18:31 <djphil> ha oki
2017-04-22 18:31 <djphil> is a bug you think ?
2017-04-22 18:31 <Ubit> no idea
2017-04-22 18:32 <djphil> me tto
2017-04-22 18:32 <djphil> too*
2017-04-22 18:32 <Ubit> well im with openprofiles
2017-04-22 18:32 <djphil> i see classifields have 3 flags
2017-04-22 18:32 <Ubit> i dont mantain that :p
2017-04-22 18:32 <djphil> PG M A
2017-04-22 18:32 <Ubit> i see M and G
2017-04-22 18:32 <djphil> Pfu! :p
2017-04-22 18:33 <Ubit> grrr /me going look into openprofile sources :p
2017-04-22 18:33 <djphil> i have read this file too
2017-04-22 18:33 <Ubit> why do i keep fixing bugs for plugh? :P
2017-04-22 18:33 <djphil> Mmm mmm
2017-04-22 18:34 <djphil> here is the file https://github.com/kcozens/OpenSimProfile/blob/master/OpenSimProfile/Modules/ProfileModule/OpenProfile.cs
2017-04-22 18:34 <djphil> maybee this file is different on OSG
2017-04-22 18:35 <djphil> osgrid use OpenSimProfile_ver0.6.zip
2017-04-22 18:35 <djphil> isn't the same
2017-04-22 18:35 <djphil> but i do tests with the lcozeens version
2017-04-22 18:35 <djphil> K*
2017-04-22 18:36 <Ubit> well it is not on code.. 
2017-04-22 18:36 <djphil> true
2017-04-22 18:36 <Ubit> is viewer side / services thing
2017-04-22 18:36 <djphil> i search too on Gridmanager.cs
2017-04-22 18:36 <djphil> libomv
2017-04-22 18:36 <djphil> ha ... Hmmm wich viewer file ?
2017-04-22 18:37 <Ubit> damm the grid running master i used to test seems down
2017-04-22 18:37 <Ubit> i mean master with core profiles
2017-04-22 18:38 <djphil> i use similar config
2017-04-22 18:38 <Ubit> core profiles?
2017-04-22 18:38 <djphil> no core
2017-04-22 18:38 <djphil> sorry
2017-04-22 18:38 <djphil> i mean similar for simulator :p
2017-04-22 18:39 <djphil> i'm using kconzen Module (last one) with PDO and with Mysqli. I switch
2017-04-22 18:40 <djphil> The built-in seam work perfectly
2017-04-22 18:40 <djphil> i have tested too, is nice :)
2017-04-22 18:41 <djphil> for info: profil and search are installed on a different database
2017-04-22 18:41 <djphil> opensim is in grid mode nut tested in standalone too
2017-04-22 18:42 <djphil> only Hypergrid isn't tested at now ...
2017-04-22 18:43 <Ubit> singu also does not show adult
2017-04-22 18:43 <djphil> oki, idem here
2017-04-22 18:43 <Ubit> hmm can classifieds be adult to start with?
2017-04-22 18:43 <djphil> tested with kokua and angstrom, is same
2017-04-22 18:44 <djphil> i try to edit after but don't see "Adult"
2017-04-22 18:45 <Ubit>  Note: If you're in an  Adult region, the classified shows   Moderate. This is a known issue 
2017-04-22 18:45 <Ubit> bahh
2017-04-22 18:46 <djphil> ok, bug confirmed then ...
2017-04-22 18:46 <Ubit> so,, a viewer thing
2017-04-22 18:46 <djphil> arfff :(
2017-04-22 18:46 <djphil> for all viewers ??? :o
2017-04-22 18:47 <djphil> Amazing !
2017-04-22 18:51 <djphil> Please lets me know if or region is registred proprely (registred.php)
2017-04-22 18:51 <djphil> and if Datasnapshot work (parser.php)
2017-04-22 18:51 <djphil> and why not query.php :p
2017-04-22 19:20 <Plugh> The maturity flags work just fine. I captured the query strings passed to the PHP code when I was testing the parts of the code that used them. IIRC, I also cross-checked the values against the source code of libOMV or OS.
2017-04-22 19:23 <djphil> with untouched files from kcozen Profile Module
2017-04-22 19:33 <Plugh> Look at OpenMetaverse/DirectoryManager.cs in libOMV for the flag information.
2017-04-22 19:34 <djphil> oki
2017-04-22 19:34 <djphil> you have tested 01with untouched files from kcozen Profile Module01 ?
2017-04-22 19:35 <Plugh> I have had these modules in use on a live grid for a long time now.
2017-04-22 19:35 <Plugh> The profile flags are in Avatar.cs
2017-04-22 19:36 <Plugh> From what I remember you have to be careful when looking at the flags for Adult level. There are two bits that get set (from the viewers, IIRC) but only one is used.
2017-04-22 19:36 <djphil> Oops Plugh sorry I thought I was still talking with Ubit. I did not see it was you lol
2017-04-22 19:37 <djphil> have you any idea why maturity Classifields dont work for me ... and for Ubit ?
2017-04-22 19:38 <Plugh> I also added comments in the PHP and C# code re: the flag values. I used 1 << n where most of the OS and libOMV code just used the numeric values. 
2017-04-22 19:38 <Plugh> Do you both have your viewers set to allow Adult maturity level?
2017-04-22 19:39 <djphil> you mean in viewer prefs ?
2017-04-22 19:39 <djphil> or region ?
2017-04-22 19:39 <Plugh> yes
2017-04-22 19:39 <djphil> yes is set to pg mature adult
2017-04-22 19:39 <Plugh> You have to tell the viewer to allow you to see Adult level stuff.
2017-04-22 19:40 <Plugh> ok
2017-04-22 19:40 <djphil> Yes
2017-04-22 19:40 <djphil> In Singu: rating: is PG, Mature Adult
2017-04-22 19:40 <Plugh> right
2017-04-22 19:41 <djphil> REgion Estate rating in Adult
2017-04-22 19:49 <Plugh> Is that a question or a statement?
2017-04-22 19:49 <djphil> is additionnal information
2017-04-22 19:51 <djphil> The original question is : 01Have you any idea why maturity Classifields dont work for me ... and for Ubit ?01
2017-04-22 19:51 <Plugh> No, I don't know why they don't work for both of you.
2017-04-22 19:51 <Plugh> How are you creating the classifieds?
2017-04-22 19:52 <djphil> yes i have 4
2017-04-22 19:53 <Plugh> I spent a lot of time checking the queries passed to the PHP code and working out the flag values back when I was in the early period of updating the module code
2017-04-22 19:54 <Plugh> You are also ticking the box to ask for the other maturity levels when you are doing your search via the viewer?
2017-04-22 19:54 <djphil> yes 3 check boxes are cheked
2017-04-22 19:54 <Plugh> ok.
2017-04-22 19:54 <djphil> same for map
2017-04-22 19:55 <djphil> (additionnal information) :p
2017-04-22 19:56 <Plugh> Which maturity levels work and which ones aren't working for you?
2017-04-22 19:57 <djphil> i see PG and mature
2017-04-22 19:57 <djphil> Adult is missing
2017-04-22 19:57 <Plugh> Have you relogged since you turned on the Adult setting in the viewer prefs?
2017-04-22 19:58 <djphil> yes sure
2017-04-22 19:58 <Plugh> ok
2017-04-22 19:58 <Plugh> Something is filtering out items marked Adult. What viewer are you using?
2017-04-22 19:58 <djphil> i have tested with SIngu, Kokua and Alchemy
2017-04-22 19:59 <djphil> With alchemy i can Edit classifields ;)
2017-04-22 19:59 <djphil> can't*
2017-04-22 19:59 <djphil> but that is a different problem
2017-04-22 20:00 <djphil> (Edit work with Singu)
2017-04-22 20:04 <Plugh> Sing only allows creation of PG and Mature classifieds.
2017-04-22 20:05 <djphil> Ha :o
2017-04-22 20:05 <djphil> Why ?
2017-04-22 20:05 <Plugh> No idea. As the viewer devs
2017-04-22 20:05 <Plugh> As -> Ask
2017-04-22 20:06 <djphil> Ubit is :)
2017-04-22 20:06 <Plugh> ok, you can ask him. :)
2017-04-22 20:06 <djphil> Yes, ty :)
2017-04-22 20:19 <Plugh> Time is getting on. I'm going out for a while. bbl.
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2017-04-24 01:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #5423 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-24 01:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5423: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5423/
2017-04-24 01:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix (or actually break) llList2float()  since LSL_Key is same as LSL_String, the case of invalid LSL_Key cannot be handle, since most likely it is a string
2017-04-24 01:22 <smxy> Did I read correctly - all OpenSim MySQL tables are now InnoDB?
2017-04-24 01:26 <Ubit> i avoid messing with that :)
2017-04-24 01:26 <smxy> That doesn't answer the question.
2017-04-24 01:27 <Ubit> just says im not the one who will answer :p
2017-04-24 01:27 <smxy> Okay
2017-04-24 01:28 <Ubit> :)
2017-04-24 01:28 <smxy> I've been away for a few months. Slowly getting back into this. By June, I should have my life back.
2017-04-24 01:28 <Ubit> welcome back then :)
2017-04-24 01:28 <smxy> What's the state of the code right now? My grid's running Dev Master from October 2nd, currently ...
2017-04-24 01:28 <smxy> Thanks.
2017-04-24 01:29 <Ubit> i know about a bug on permissions code...  rest is.. normal bugs :)
2017-04-24 01:30 <Ubit> ie unknown or whatever
2017-04-24 01:30 <smxy> Okay, so it builds and there is no overriding reason not to run it on my grid?
2017-04-24 01:36 <Ubit> btw anyone works with materials at sl ?
2017-04-24 01:36 <Ubit> they did changed them ?
2017-04-24 02:08 <Plugh> smxy: I see no references to MyISAM in the MySQL migrations files in git master.
2017-04-24 02:09 <Plugh> All ENGINE references are InnoDB
2017-04-24 02:09 <smxy> Sweet, thanks. That means I can finally setup MySQL replication and use the Percona tools, which expect everything to be InnoDB. :)
2017-04-24 02:10 <Plugh> hm... I didn't know the Percona tools want everything as InnoDB
2017-04-24 02:11 <smxy> I just need to figure out the best way to get my data out of a 5.5 version of MySQL and into a 5.7 version ...
2017-04-24 02:12 <smxy> Well, all of their tools for replication and checking seem to want them to be.
2017-04-24 02:12 <Plugh> won't 5.7 do an upgrade?
2017-04-24 02:12 <Plugh> ok. I'm just using MySQL for replication without Percona.
2017-04-24 02:12 <smxy> I'm pulling the data out of an old DB server and putting it into a new one, that will be replicated.
2017-04-24 02:12 <Plugh> I want to use some of the Percona tools to check that one of my tables has been fully backed up. I'm sure there are records missing from when the database table was being copied in advance of setting up replication
2017-04-24 02:13 <smxy> I love the Percona tools.
2017-04-24 02:17 <smxy> A couple of years ago, I set up a test grid, and replicated the DB to two slaves. I did all the checking with the Percona tools and I scriptesd their xtrabackup to keep it backed up. I want to finally do that with my real grid.
2017-04-24 02:17 <smxy> scripted*
2017-04-24 02:18 <smxy> For free tools, they're really good.
2017-04-24 02:25 <Plugh> My current databases are a mix of MyISAM and InnoDB. They are being replicated to a slave where I do additional backups now and then manually. It would be nice to set up more automated backups on the slave.
2017-04-24 02:26 <Plugh> I was starting to look at the Percona tools but I was put off a bit by the multi-hundred page documents on the tools.
2017-04-24 02:27 <smxy> Yes, they have very detailed documentation.
2017-04-24 02:28 <Plugh> I didn't want to spend the time reading through all that documentation to figure out how to use their tools so I've not touched them.
2017-04-24 02:31 <osmantis> Bug #8156:04 PRIM_NORMAL & PRIM_SPECULAR 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8156 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006824.
2017-04-24 02:31 <osmantis> Bug #6824:04 script method to get/set materials textures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6824 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008156.
2017-04-24 02:32 <Plugh> hm... they are on toolkit 3.0.2
2017-04-24 02:32 <Plugh> I last downloaded 2.2.17
2017-04-24 02:38 <smxy> I haven't used them in most of two years, so will have to relearn them
2017-04-24 03:49 <johnnybank> hey plugh how goes the battle
2017-04-24 06:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #5424 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-24 06:09 <osmantis> Bug #8156:04 PRIM_NORMAL & PRIM_SPECULAR 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8156 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-24 06:09 <osmantis> Bug #6824:04 script method to get/set materials textures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6824 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-24 06:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5424: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5424/
2017-04-24 06:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add suport for materials parameters PRIM_NORMAL, PRIM_SPECULAR and PRIM_ALPHA_MODE of llGetPrimitiveParams(). Im sleeping at this time, this can be very wrong
2017-04-24 10:25 <osmantis> Bug #8156:04 PRIM_NORMAL & PRIM_SPECULAR 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8156 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-24 10:37 <osmantis> Bug #8156:04 PRIM_NORMAL & PRIM_SPECULAR 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8156 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-24 10:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #5425 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-24 10:47 <osmantis> Bug #8156:04 PRIM_NORMAL & PRIM_SPECULAR 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8156 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-24 10:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5425: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5425/
2017-04-24 10:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  some fixes on the materials paramenters of llGetPrimitiveParams()
2017-04-24 11:16 <Ubit> hmm paramenters ??  oh well
2017-04-24 15:25 <djphil> Anyone know if a PDO is available somewhere for Groupds Xmlrpc ? (or a mysqli)
2017-04-24 15:53 <Plugh> I started a conversion to mysqli but I ran in to some issue so I just went with core groups. I may have another go at the mysqli conversion later.
2017-04-24 16:08 <djphil> Ok, good to know. I start one too now.
2017-04-24 16:09 <djphil> the file is big lol
2017-04-24 16:10 <Plugh> yea, it is.
2017-04-24 16:13 <djphil> Mmmm i also need a big coffee so :)
2017-04-24 16:15 <Plugh> :)
2017-04-24 17:58 <djphil> Done :)
2017-04-24 17:58 <djphil> And i see 0 errors at now :)
2017-04-24 17:59 <djphil> if you whant it, tell me, i send to you
2017-04-24 18:00 <djphil> now PDO :p
2017-04-24 18:05 <osmantis> Bug #8156:04 PRIM_NORMAL & PRIM_SPECULAR 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8156 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-24 20:01 <osmantis> Bug #8156:04 PRIM_NORMAL & PRIM_SPECULAR 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8156 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-24 20:03 <osmantis> Bug #8156:04 PRIM_NORMAL & PRIM_SPECULAR 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8156 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-24 21:28 <osmantis> Bug #8156:04 PRIM_NORMAL & PRIM_SPECULAR 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8156 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-24 21:45 <osmantis> Bug #8156:04 PRIM_NORMAL & PRIM_SPECULAR 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8156 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-24 22:30 <osmantis> Bug #8156:04 PRIM_NORMAL & PRIM_SPECULAR 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8156 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-04-25 04:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #5426 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-25 04:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5426: SUCCESS in 7 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5426/
2017-04-25 04:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  finish encoding number of mesh faces in pbs shape on new meshs upload, and *HACK* flag it setting hollow shape to triangle. (some limited encoding as added some months ago, but only for viewers LOD). Use this hack flag to fix sop number of faces.  old meshs will still report 8 faces, information to fix this seems lost unless the mesh asset is decoded
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2017-04-25 12:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #5427 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-25 12:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5427: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5427/
2017-04-25 12:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics on mesh upload encoding of number of faces on pbs shape. Use opensim shape enums in place of libovm for coerence, add a few coments.
2017-04-25 13:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #5428 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-25 13:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5428: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5428/
2017-04-25 13:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: move mesh pbs creation code out of mesh upload code into to PrimitiveBaseShape.cs
2017-04-25 17:00 <Ubit> can flood channel ?
2017-04-25 17:00 <Ubit> 
ACTION looks around

2017-04-25 17:25 <Ubit> 
ACTION looks to cia-opensim... calm now?

2017-04-25 17:46 <YouCanDolT> fun about the god names marking in firestorm viewer. make avatar with last name Resident and if that feature is active to any other name /last name setting it won't affect Resident last name and will be as constant to mark it as a god too lol
2017-04-25 18:05 <osmantis> Bug #8156:04 PRIM_NORMAL & PRIM_SPECULAR 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8156 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-25 18:44 <misterblue> does anyone know if CSJ2K.dll is built from something in opensim-libs or from somewhere else?
2017-04-25 18:46 <Ubit> dont see it on libs
2017-04-25 18:46 <MarcusLlewellyn> That may be part of libomv?
2017-04-25 18:47 <misterblue> didn't see it either... the version in bin/ doesn't handle transparancy correctly
2017-04-25 18:47 <Ubit> https://csj2k.codeplex.com/  ?
2017-04-25 18:48 <Ubit> hmm and we use it ?
2017-04-25 18:48 <Ubit> i mean other than on udp
2017-04-25 18:49 <Ubit> to decode the lod layers
2017-04-25 18:49 <misterblue> the current version works for the current use I think... don't think sculpties use transparancy :)
2017-04-25 18:50 <Ubit> is a usual teck to avoid copies
2017-04-25 18:50 <Ubit> but issue on sculpt and trans was on linux
2017-04-25 18:50 <misterblue> but I have a plugin that uses it.... I'll see if I can build a newer one for bin/
2017-04-25 18:50 <Ubit> solved long ago i think
2017-04-25 18:50 <Ubit> ahh ok
2017-04-25 18:53 <Ubit> on sculpts you will notice some have a copyright message on the alpha channel
2017-04-25 18:54 <Ubit> and similar things
2017-04-25 18:54 <misterblue> ya... if one is meshing scuplties, you have to strip the alpha layer out of the image before using
2017-04-25 18:54 <Ubit> hmm see how we do it 
2017-04-25 18:54 <Ubit> linux or win?
2017-04-25 18:55 <Ubit> on linux pango ??? kills sculpts
2017-04-25 18:56 <Ubit> bc it pre appies alpha to the rgb
2017-04-25 18:56 <Ubit> full alpha  -> rbg = 0
2017-04-25 18:56 <misterblue> yes.. that's why you have to strip first... not a good feature :)
2017-04-25 18:56 <Ubit> yeap
2017-04-25 18:57 <Ubit> but we do read sculpts now on the meshmerizers
2017-04-25 18:57 <Ubit> not sure my solution is same as dalias
2017-04-25 21:01 <osmantis> Bug #8156:04 PRIM_NORMAL & PRIM_SPECULAR 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8156 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-25 22:22 <misterblue> Ubit: the sources for CSJ2K are in libopenmetaverse. If I just recompile what's there and use it, alphas are processed correctly. Looking at the logs, there was some reverting of this library by Dahlia... and it wasn't updated with the libomv that diva_ did in Dec 2016
2017-04-25 22:22 <misterblue> it could be that libomv is a little out of sync
2017-04-25 22:23 <Ubit> we need ask mel or diva to update then
2017-04-25 22:24 <Ubit> ohh silly me had libomv folder open and missed the csj :)
2017-04-25 22:24 <misterblue> ya... they have to be updated all together -- I get different sizes every new tool I use
2017-04-25 22:25 <Ubit> ( a older version) 
2017-04-25 22:31 <diva_> what do you  need
2017-04-25 22:34 <misterblue> it looks like when you updated libomv libraries in Dec 2016, you didn't also update CSJ2K.dll
2017-04-25 22:35 <misterblue> the currently checked in version has some problems converting alpha textures
2017-04-25 22:35 <misterblue> but recompiled version has no such problem... 
2017-04-25 22:35 <misterblue> suspecting that CSJ2K.dll is out of sync with the rest of libomv
2017-04-25 22:38 <misterblue> we need all of libomv updated -- everything compiled together 
2017-04-25 23:13 <diva_> where is that library?
2017-04-25 23:13 <diva_> is it part if libomv?
2017-04-25 23:14 <Ubit> yeap
2017-04-25 23:15 <diva_> ok, let me add it. I still have the version I compiled in December
2017-04-25 23:15 <diva_> unless I should update libomv itself?
2017-04-25 23:16 <Ubit> it changed?
2017-04-25 23:17 <diva_> not sure, let me check
2017-04-25 23:18 <diva_> ther were 4 commits. I'll just update it
2017-04-25 23:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #5429 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-25 23:26 <diva_> heu Ubit, now that you're here. I want to make the 0.9 release. Should I just merge all commits in master back to the release branch? Is everything good in master?
2017-04-25 23:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5429: SUCCESS in 5 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5429/
2017-04-25 23:29 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Update libOMV
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2017-04-26 00:52 <osmantis> Bug #8156:04 PRIM_NORMAL & PRIM_SPECULAR 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8156 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-26 02:43 <diva_> weird. show regions now outputs two very similar lines on the console
2017-04-26 02:44 <Ubit> mine listed the 2 regions im running
2017-04-26 02:44 <diva_> I have only one region
2017-04-26 02:45 <Plugh> I'm getting an exception on startup
2017-04-26 02:46 <Plugh> yes, show regions is outputting information twice but with different information.
2017-04-26 02:46 <diva_> https://imagebin.ca/v/3KM1CxtA9TcY
2017-04-26 02:47 <Plugh> yes, it is a very odd way to show information.
2017-04-26 02:47 <Plugh> The second time it shows flags.
2017-04-26 02:47 <diva_> yeah, it's super weird. This was not like that
2017-04-26 02:47 <Plugh> Strange that it would repeat so much of the other information.
2017-04-26 02:48 <Ubit> dont see sense
2017-04-26 02:48 <Ubit> and mine shows 2 entries for my 2 regions on instance hm and no flags?
2017-04-26 02:48 <diva_> hehe, here we go. Opensim development .... you start by wanting to do one thing, end up going down 10 different issues that you were not expecting at all :-)
2017-04-26 02:49 <Ubit> ohh yeah
2017-04-26 02:49 <Ubit> anyone knows about llHTTPRequest ?
2017-04-26 02:50 <Ubit> seems we are parsing it in a way that is no longer sl ??
2017-04-26 02:50 <diva_> oh man
2017-04-26 02:50 <diva_> there are actually two different pices of code that respond to show regions :)
2017-04-26 02:50 <Ubit> possible still a merge issue
2017-04-26 02:50 <diva_> one is the original, the other is in GridService -- that's new I think
2017-04-26 02:50 <diva_> let me trace the origin
2017-04-26 02:50 <Ubit> ohh standalone.. im on grid mode
2017-04-26 02:51 <diva_> yes standalone, my favorite testing environment
2017-04-26 02:51 <Ubit> thats why i see clean answer
2017-04-26 02:52 <Ubit> yeap can still be a avn merge thing.. but guessing
2017-04-26 02:52 <diva_> interesting,. This has been here for a while, justin did it
2017-04-26 02:53 <diva_> I swear I don't remember seeing this
2017-04-26 02:55 <Ubit> well im looking to mantis 0006738
2017-04-26 02:56 <Ubit> we actually don't suport that format
2017-04-26 02:56 <Ubit> HTTP_CUSTOM_HEADER, "x-custom-header1", "someString"
2017-04-26 02:56 <Ubit>  ,HTTP_CUSTOM_HEADER, "x-custom-header2", "someString2"
2017-04-26 02:56 <Ubit> we seem to suport HTTP_CUSTOM_HEADER, "x-custom-header1", "someString", "x-custom-header2", "someString2",0
2017-04-26 02:57 <Ubit> sl seems to be first...  but i can't change this
2017-04-26 02:57 <Ubit> or may kill scripts in the wild
2017-04-26 02:58 <Ubit> hmm there is a hack that could work.. hmm
2017-04-26 02:58 <Ubit> yeap guess the hack may work
2017-04-26 02:59 <Ubit> well now how to code it :)
2017-04-26 02:59 <Ubit> err dang no
2017-04-26 03:08 <Plugh> What's the issue with llHTTPRequest?
2017-04-26 03:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #5430 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-26 03:08 <diva_> ok, so where was I...
2017-04-26 03:09 <Plugh> AFAIK, custom string doesn't take an indefinite list.
2017-04-26 03:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5430: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5430/
2017-04-26 03:14 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: If we're going to show regions twice (in standalone) at least make the formatting consistent...
2017-04-26 03:38 <diva_> hmm I'm having appearance problems on a newly created avatar from the console
2017-04-26 03:38 <diva_> the baked textures son't seem to come completely.
2017-04-26 03:40 <diva_> I can't do anything to the avie's appearance
2017-04-26 03:40 <diva_> "until clothing and shape are loaded"
2017-04-26 03:40 <diva_> but they never load
2017-04-26 03:41 <diva_> this sucks
2017-04-26 03:41 <diva_> I'm on singularity
2017-04-26 03:43 <Plugh> I've seen that sort of thing happen before with stuff not loading.
2017-04-26 03:44 <Plugh> When Robust first starts it uses 24MB heap and 48MB process memory.
2017-04-26 03:44 <diva_> did something in appearance change, Ubit? 
2017-04-26 03:44 <Plugh> I'm going afk
2017-04-26 03:44 <diva_> The create account command says that it creates default appearance items
2017-04-26 03:44 <Ubit> on xbakes timing possible
2017-04-26 03:45 <diva_> but maybe something is missing
2017-04-26 03:45 <diva_> this is not random
2017-04-26 03:45 <diva_> this avie is toast. Every time I login it stays as cloud
2017-04-26 03:46 <diva_> does appearance require anything more now?
2017-04-26 03:47 <Ubit> no
2017-04-26 03:48 <diva_> hmm there are no wearables for it on the db
2017-04-26 03:48 <Ubit> odd
2017-04-26 03:49 <diva_> oh there's this "model" thing
2017-04-26 03:49 <diva_> this is new. What is this?
2017-04-26 03:50 <Ubit> model?
2017-04-26 03:50 <Ubit> hmm model where?
2017-04-26 03:50 <diva_> yes. When creating a new user it now asks for a "model"
2017-04-26 03:51 <diva_> oh i see, it can copy from another avatar
2017-04-26 03:51 <Ubit> don't remember.. but is long since i run a fresh standalone
2017-04-26 03:52 <diva_> this came in Aug 2016 rom Melanie
2017-04-26 03:52 <Ubit> ohh on useraccount service
2017-04-26 03:53 <Ubit>           if (modelSpecifiers.Length != 2)
2017-04-26 03:53 <Ubit>             {
2017-04-26 03:53 <Ubit>                 m_log.WarnFormat("[USER ACCOUNT SERVICE]: Invalid model name \'{0}\'. Falling back to Ruth for {1}",
2017-04-26 03:53 <Ubit>                                  model, destinationAgent);
2017-04-26 03:53 <Ubit>                 CreateDefaultAppearanceEntries(destinationAgent);
2017-04-26 03:53 <Ubit>                 return;
2017-04-26 03:53 <diva_> but the default appearance is not being saved
2017-04-26 03:56 <Ubit>  CreateDefaultAppearanceEntries(UUID principalID)  seems to save it
2017-04-26 03:57 <Ubit> m_InventoryService.AddItem(eyes);
2017-04-26 03:57 <Ubit> etc
2017-04-26 03:57 <diva_> it seems, but the db doesn't get it, so something is being lost
2017-04-26 03:57 <diva_> hmm actually, not
2017-04-26 03:57 <diva_> hmm
2017-04-26 03:58 <diva_> it's saved. I think it was the first login that screwed things up
2017-04-26 03:58 <diva_> the other bot O created but haven't logged in yet, has the wearables on the db
2017-04-26 03:58 <Ubit> works now?
2017-04-26 03:58 <diva_> not for that bot
2017-04-26 03:58 <diva_> something bad happened on login
2017-04-26 03:58 <diva_> I bet it's gonna happen again for the second bot
2017-04-26 03:59 <Ubit> yr avatar works fine?
2017-04-26 03:59 <Ubit> or you loging with a bot account?
2017-04-26 04:00 <diva_> I haven't tried the old account, let me try to see what happens
2017-04-26 04:01 <diva_> my old avie is fine
2017-04-26 04:01 <diva_> let me login with the second bot
2017-04-26 04:04 <diva_> hmm, something about the oputfit folder not containing things
2017-04-26 04:04 <diva_> I think that maybe the creation of default appearance in core is not quite right
2017-04-26 04:05 <diva_> and this screws up the avie's appearance
2017-04-26 04:05 <diva_> something should be placed in outfit folder upon creation of appearance
2017-04-26 04:05 <diva_> I think I do this in wifi
2017-04-26 04:06 <Ubit> no mantis on that.. but that doesn't mean much
2017-04-26 04:07 <Ubit> viewers are now cautic about cof  but bots?
2017-04-26 04:07 <diva_> this is a viewer
2017-04-26 04:08 <diva_> I'm login in a bot in the viewer, so I can set a few things up in his inventory
2017-04-26 04:08 <Ubit> yes but yr there bc the bot failed
2017-04-26 04:08 <diva_> the bot did alright, I wasn't downloading its appearance
2017-04-26 04:08 <diva_> it didn't screw up anything in the db
2017-04-26 04:09 <diva_> it's the viewer login that screws it up, because it expects things to be on the current outfit folder, and they aren't
2017-04-26 04:09 <Ubit> damm doing code changes and start debug without compile is not bery usefull
2017-04-26 04:10 <diva_> I found the pcode that screws things up
2017-04-26 04:10 <diva_> and the debug message is very misleading
2017-04-26 04:10 <Ubit> oh?
2017-04-26 04:11 <diva_>                         else
2017-04-26 04:11 <diva_>                         {
2017-04-26 04:11 <diva_>                             m_log.WarnFormat(
2017-04-26 04:11 <diva_>                                 "[AVFACTORY]: Can't find inventory item {0} for {1}, setting to default",
2017-04-26 04:11 <diva_>                                 appearance.Wearables[i][j].ItemID, (WearableType)i);
2017-04-26 04:11 <diva_>                             appearance.Wearables[i].RemoveItem(appearance.Wearables[i][j].ItemID);
2017-04-26 04:11 <diva_>                         }
2017-04-26 04:12 <diva_> "setting to default" -> the code is actually just removing it
2017-04-26 04:12 <Ubit> sounds like the msg is wrong ?
2017-04-26 04:12 <diva_> well it should set to default, if there is such a thing
2017-04-26 04:13 <diva_> and I think there is
2017-04-26 04:15 <Ubit> hmm that comented code i guess
2017-04-26 04:16 <diva_> I think the root cause of this is something else, it's the current outfit folder
2017-04-26 04:17 <Ubit> i think i did coment out that repair code, bc it was breaking good things
2017-04-26 04:18 <diva_> yeah. The current outfit folder needs to point to the wearables, otherwise singularoty gets very confused
2017-04-26 04:19 <diva_> the createdefaultappearance method is not doing that
2017-04-26 04:19 <Ubit> place links and copies if i remember?
2017-04-26 04:20 <diva_> just the links
2017-04-26 04:20 <diva_> I have this in wifi, let's see if I can copy it over
2017-04-26 04:20 <Ubit> hmm there was a case where links required also a copy
2017-04-26 04:21 <Ubit> or is sending to viewer only ?
2017-04-26 04:21 <Ubit>  i do remember that from inventory send code 
2017-04-26 04:22 <Ubit> yeap its on send sorry
2017-04-26 04:23 <diva_> hmm I odn't have it in wifi
2017-04-26 04:23 <diva_> I thought I did
2017-04-26 04:24 <diva_> I wonder if this is also going to screw up wifi avatar creation
2017-04-26 04:27 <diva_> ok, well, this is a bug
2017-04-26 04:27 <Ubit> TryAndRepairBrokenWearable as code to place a link on outfits
2017-04-26 04:29 <Ubit> hmm kinda
2017-04-26 04:31 <diva_> ther's absol;utely no reference to Current Outfit folder in opensim, pther than creating it
2017-04-26 04:31 <diva_> oh there is
2017-04-26 04:31 <Ubit> there is one on TryAndRepairBrokenWearable()
2017-04-26 04:32 <diva_> yeah
2017-04-26 04:32 <diva_> but this sucks
2017-04-26 04:32 <diva_> I wonder what changed
2017-04-26 04:32 <Ubit> should be on creation i guess
2017-04-26 04:32 <diva_> I don't want to lose the wearables that are created
2017-04-26 04:32 <diva_> let me try something else
2017-04-26 04:33 <Ubit> did we ever had proper cof suport?
2017-04-26 04:33 <diva_> oh man
2017-04-26 04:33 <diva_> this is cascading errors!
2017-04-26 04:33 <Ubit> ?
2017-04-26 04:35 <diva_> CopyWearablesAndAttachments doesn't work
2017-04-26 04:36 <diva_> O was trying the other route of copying the appearance from an existing avie, and that is failing
2017-04-26 04:36 <diva_> doesn't even copy
2017-04-26 04:38 <Ubit> hmm you may even not reach EstablishAppearance if model name is ""
2017-04-26 04:38 <diva_> I was giving it a name
2017-04-26 04:38 <diva_> my existing avaarm Test User
2017-04-26 04:38 <diva_> which has a good appearance
2017-04-26 04:39 <diva_> man, opensim development is something... :) rabbit hole
2017-04-26 04:50 <smxy> Sounds like it's not quite ready for release yet. :)
2017-04-26 04:52 <diva_> yeah, this needs some love on the details...
2017-04-26 04:52 <diva_> avie appearance creation is seriously borked. Let me try FS
2017-04-26 04:55 <diva_> interesting. Looks like FS does the right thing
2017-04-26 04:55 <diva_> it gives up waiting after a while and creates the wearables
2017-04-26 04:56 <diva_> both FS and singu complain about the empty Current Outfit folder, but it looks like FS does the right thing
2017-04-26 04:58 <diva_> maybe
2017-04-26 04:58 <diva_> hmm
2017-04-26 04:59 <diva_> yes, it definitely does much better than singu
2017-04-26 04:59 <diva_> at least I can recover the avie by dropping wearable into it
2017-04-26 05:00 <Ubit> 1.8.6 ?
2017-04-26 05:00 <diva_> in Singu, I can't do that. It's stays in broken state
2017-04-26 05:00 <diva_> singu?
2017-04-26 05:00 <Ubit> yeap 1.8.6 ?
2017-04-26 05:00 <diva_> 1.8.7
2017-04-26 05:03 <diva_> well, I'm too tired to fix this. NN
2017-04-26 05:03 <Ubit> i never passed 1,8.6
2017-04-26 05:04 <smxy> There's always tomorrow, Diva. Have a nice night.
2017-04-26 05:04 <Ubit> firing my region in standalone
2017-04-26 05:04 <diva_> Ubit we may need to fill out the Current Outfit folder explicitly. But we didn't have to before.
2017-04-26 05:05 <diva_> somehow it worked
2017-04-26 05:05 <Ubit> older viewers didn't care
2017-04-26 05:05 <Ubit> but that was sometime ago
2017-04-26 05:05 <diva_> I've been using this viewer in 0.8.2 grids too
2017-04-26 05:06 <diva_> in 0.8.2 this didn't seem to matter. Or maybe the Current Outfit folder got filled at some point
2017-04-26 05:07 <NickyP> Been having the same issue on SL which I have more or less blamed on CDN flakiness 
2017-04-26 05:08 <NickyP> (dd529a08c1bf) MAINT-4097 User never de-clouds with a large inventory after inventory fetch This is in kokua-opensim and it might help
2017-04-26 05:09 <Ubit> BUuaaaa didn't save ini
2017-04-26 05:09 <Ubit> hmm lets see create user?
2017-04-26 05:10 <diva_> yes
2017-04-26 05:10 <diva_> start with a simple create user with no model
2017-04-26 05:11 <Ubit> 06:11:02 - [USER ACCOUNT SERVICE]: Created user inventory for aaa bbb
2017-04-26 05:11 <Ubit> 06:11:02 - [USER ACCOUNT SERVICE]: Creating default appearance items for b612568
2017-04-26 05:11 <Ubit> 9-a442-4788-81c7-134718d052a1
2017-04-26 05:11 <Ubit> 06:11:02 - [USER ACCOUNT SERVICE]: Creating default avatar entries for b6125689-
2017-04-26 05:11 <Ubit> a442-4788-81c7-134718d052a1
2017-04-26 05:11 <Ubit> 06:11:02 - [USER ACCOUNT SERVICE]: Account aaa bbb b6125689-a442-4788-81c7-13471
2017-04-26 05:11 <Ubit> 8d052a1 created successfully
2017-04-26 05:11 <diva_> now login
2017-04-26 05:11 <diva_> but before you may want to check the avatars table
2017-04-26 05:11 <diva_> you'll see that all wearables are there
2017-04-26 05:12 <Ubit> ok cloud
2017-04-26 05:12 <Ubit> grey ruth
2017-04-26 05:12 <Ubit> have hair
2017-04-26 05:12 <diva_> oh?
2017-04-26 05:12 <Ubit> worked fine
2017-04-26 05:12 <diva_> no clod?
2017-04-26 05:12 <diva_> with singularity?
2017-04-26 05:13 <Ubit> -81c7-134718d052a1
2017-04-26 05:13 <Ubit> 6:12:29 - [UPLOAD BAKED TEXTURE HANDLER]: Received baked texture f545f83e-06bd-
2017-04-26 05:13 <Ubit> a46-a293-9393c1595c92
2017-04-26 05:13 <Ubit> 6:12:29 - [UPLOAD BAKED TEXTURE HANDLER]: Received baked texture 748a5d71-c166-
2017-04-26 05:13 <Ubit> e40-8a66-fa70140feefa
2017-04-26 05:13 <diva_> I tried now with 5 different accounts, andthey always fail
2017-04-26 05:13 <Ubit> yeap 1.8.6
2017-04-26 05:13 <Ubit> let me see inv
2017-04-26 05:13 <Ubit> filed with links
2017-04-26 05:13 <diva_> maybe it's 1.8.7 that's broken
2017-04-26 05:13 <diva_> let me try an older one
2017-04-26 05:13 <Ubit> i mean cof is ok
2017-04-26 05:15 <diva_> what's cof?
2017-04-26 05:15 <Ubit> current outfit
2017-04-26 05:15 <diva_> no luck here
2017-04-26 05:16 <Ubit> see no errors
2017-04-26 05:16 <Ubit> region part login was normal 
2017-04-26 05:16 <diva_> ah! Now I created yet a new account and logged in with 1.8.6 and that worked
2017-04-26 05:16 <diva_> let me do it again with 1.8.7
2017-04-26 05:17 <diva_> let me do it again with 1.8.7
2017-04-26 05:17 <Ubit> even have a suitcase :P
2017-04-26 05:17 <diva_> ok, it's 1.8.7 that's messing up
2017-04-26 05:18 <diva_> it simply refuses to fix things
2017-04-26 05:19 <Ubit> well ive no idea who did the links on outfits..  guess its viewer job?
2017-04-26 05:19 <Ubit> is it NickyP ?
2017-04-26 05:20 <diva_> it gets no links in Current Outfit, so it seems to be sending random new wearables to the server. In turn, the server doesn't find those wearables in the user's inventory, and the whole thing gets stuck 
2017-04-26 05:20 <NickyP> not sure but I think the viewer puts the links in cof
2017-04-26 05:20 <diva_> I thnk the problematic code is those lines I pasted you before
2017-04-26 05:21 <Ubit> hmm let me see if singu complained
2017-04-26 05:23 <diva_> ok, this is way past my bed time. I'll look at it tomorrow
2017-04-26 05:24 <NickyP> I don't think a blame to singu 1.8.7 would be certain. I have found a viewer restart sometimes solves the clouding 
2017-04-26 05:25 <Ubit> well don't see anything on singu log no complains
2017-04-26 05:27 <Ubit> 2017-04-26T05:12:17Z INFO: ../../newview/llappearancemgr.cpp(4175) : LLAppearanceMgr::setAttachmentInvLinkEnable: setAttachmentInvLinkEnable => 1
2017-04-26 05:27 <Ubit> 2017-04-26T05:12:18Z INFO: ../../newview/hippogridmanager.cpp(554) : HippoGridInfo::setSupportsInvLinks: Inventory Link support detected
2017-04-26 05:27 <Ubit> 2017-04-26T05:12:18Z INFO("Avatar"): ../../newview/llappearancemgr.cpp(514) : LLUpdateAppearanceOnDestroy::~LLUpdateAppearanceOnDestroy:  Avatar 'aaa bbb' cloud done update appearance on destroy
2017-04-26 05:27 <diva_> which version of singu are yuo using?
2017-04-26 05:28 <Ubit> 1,8,6
2017-04-26 05:28 <diva_> right that worked for me
2017-04-26 05:28 <Ubit> after they had broken ones, at least in alpha state
2017-04-26 05:28 <diva_> but 1.8.7 has a very different behavior, starting with an additional pop up right upfront complaining about missing outfit
2017-04-26 05:30 <Ubit> 6:29:59 - [GRID SERVICE]: GetDefaultRegions returning 0 regions
2017-04-26 05:30 <Ubit> 6:29:59 - [USER ACCOUNT SERVICE]: Unable to set home for account Default bbb.
2017-04-26 05:30 <Ubit> 6:30:01 - [USER ACCOUNT SERVICE]: Created user inventory for Default bbb
2017-04-26 05:30 <Ubit> 6:30:01 - [USER ACCOUNT SERVICE]: Creating default appearance items for acaa997
2017-04-26 05:30 <Ubit> -2d81-4c1e-a85f-585f583e5487
2017-04-26 05:30 <Ubit> 6:30:01 - [USER ACCOUNT SERVICE]: Creating default avatar entries for acaa997f-
2017-04-26 05:30 <Ubit> d81-4c1e-a85f-585f583e5487
2017-04-26 05:30 <Ubit> 6:30:01 - [USER ACCOUNT SERVICE]: Account Default bbb acaa997f-2d81-4c1e-a85f-5
2017-04-26 05:30 <Ubit> 5f583e5487 created successfully
2017-04-26 05:31 <Ubit> lets see fs 501
2017-04-26 05:31 <diva_> fs works ok. at least it get unstuck 
2017-04-26 05:31 <NickyP> Have you erased  AppData/Local/<viewer>  when switching 186->187 ?
2017-04-26 05:31 <Ubit> ahh no outfit message
2017-04-26 05:32 <Ubit> but there is ruth hapy
2017-04-26 05:32 <diva_> NickyP I'll look. But there really is a difference in behavior. There's a new pop up in 1.8.7 that doesn't happen in 1.8.6
2017-04-26 05:33 <Ubit> and cof with the links
2017-04-26 05:33 <diva_> yes
2017-04-26 05:33 <diva_> for me it's only Singu 1.8.7 that doesn't work
2017-04-26 05:33 <Ubit> but fs 5 also shows that popup
2017-04-26 05:33 <Ubit> just goes on
2017-04-26 05:33 <diva_> yes
2017-04-26 05:34 <Ubit> hmm i have a kokua somewhere :)
2017-04-26 05:34 <diva_> try 1.8.7
2017-04-26 05:35 <Ubit> i dont want to install that one :(
2017-04-26 05:35 <Ubit> let me see kokuaOS
2017-04-26 05:35 <Ubit> ( NickyP is here... ;) )
2017-04-26 05:35 <NickyP> https://sourceforge.net/projects/kokua.team-purple.p/files/Kokua-OS/KokuaOS_Test_RLV_4_2_2_41449_i686_Setup.exe/download
2017-04-26 05:36 <Ubit> KokuaOS 4.1.0 still
2017-04-26 05:37 <diva_> ok well, i guess I can go on ignoring 1.8.7
2017-04-26 05:37 <diva_> just bad luck that I used it to set up my bots
2017-04-26 05:38 <Ubit> no popup  and i have ruth  with kokuaos 410
2017-04-26 05:40 <NickyP> sleep time gn
2017-04-26 05:41 <Ubit> cya
2017-04-26 05:41 <Ubit> well guess we can setup also cof  putting new avatar up to the level of a "old" one
2017-04-26 05:42 <Ubit> the new popups mean viewers start to want that
2017-04-26 05:43 <Ubit> ohh now i have that httprequest thing half broken :)
2017-04-26 06:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #5431 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-26 06:25 <osmantis> Bug #6738:04 llHTTPRequest does not honor the number of Custom Headers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6738 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-04-26 06:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5431: SUCCESS in 5 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5431/
2017-04-26 06:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  mantis 6738: change parsing of the HTTP_CUSTOM_HEADER parameter and ignore entries in excess of 8 on the request
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2017-04-26 13:54 <agente_129> greetings. Is that possible to have this situation? win server 2012 r2 to have robust.exe and opensim.exe / CentOs to have database and web server ?
2017-04-26 13:56 <agente_129> robust.exe running. But, when I'm trying to run opensim.exe, load some stufs and comes this message: "FATAL Fatal error: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation."
2017-04-26 14:04 <Ubit> the next lines of that error should pin point the error location in code..
2017-04-26 14:04 <agente_129> no have
2017-04-26 14:04 <agente_129> last line show this message
2017-04-26 14:04 <Ubit> not on opensim.log?
2017-04-26 14:04 <agente_129> it was last line to opensim.log
2017-04-26 14:04 <Ubit> yeack.. 
2017-04-26 14:04 <agente_129> just one fatal error
2017-04-26 14:05 <agente_129> other messages is ok
2017-04-26 14:05 <agente_129> normal load
2017-04-26 14:05 <Ubit> about the mixed OS on machines.. it should work in principle
2017-04-26 14:06 <agente_129> yes, cause robust is ok
2017-04-26 14:06 <Ubit> and before that fatal error, what was the sim doing?
2017-04-26 14:07 <agente_129> INFO and DEBUG informations
2017-04-26 14:07 <Ubit> well what contents? 
2017-04-26 14:07 <agente_129> load plugins, server base, local console..
2017-04-26 14:08 <agente_129> ...
2017-04-26 14:08 <agente_129> 2017-04-26 15:46:13,278 INFO  [PLUGINS]: Plugin Loaded: OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModule.POS 2017-04-26 15:46:13,278 INFO  [PLUGINS]: Plugin Loaded: OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModule.ubOde 2017-04-26 15:46:13,293 INFO  [PLUGINS]: Plugin Loaded: OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModule.ubOdeMeshing 2017-04-26 15:46:13,293 INFO  [PLUGINS]: Plugin Loaded: OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.XEngine 2017-04-26 15:46:13,293 INFO  [PLUGINS]: Plugin Loaded: S
2017-04-26 14:08 <agente_129> last line before fatal error was:
2017-04-26 14:08 <agente_129> 2017-04-26 15:46:13,329 INFO  [REGIONMODULES]: From plugin SimianGrid, (version 0.9.1.0), loaded 10 modules, 8 shared, 2 non-shared 0 unknown
2017-04-26 14:12 <Ubit> what physics engine do you have selected?
2017-04-26 14:13 <agente_129> let me check
2017-04-26 14:15 <agente_129> physics = ubODE
2017-04-26 14:15 <Ubit> and above meshmerizer = ub... ?
2017-04-26 14:16 <agente_129> yes
2017-04-26 14:17 <Ubit> hmm and not using opensimprofile and or opensimsearch ?
2017-04-26 14:17 <agente_129> compiled too
2017-04-26 14:18 <Ubit> ( im asking this bc im looking to my own region messages order )
2017-04-26 14:18 <agente_129> there are both 0 errors on the compilation
2017-04-26 14:18 <Ubit> but using opensimprofile ?
2017-04-26 14:18 <agente_129> was add modules inside addon-modules
2017-04-26 14:19 <agente_129> OpenSimProfile and OpenSimSearch
2017-04-26 14:20 <Ubit> ok temporary move opensimprofile.Module.dll out of the bin folder to a ttmp place and try starting the region
2017-04-26 14:20 <agente_129> ok let me try
2017-04-26 14:22 <agente_129> same
2017-04-26 14:22 <Ubit> dammm. well put it back bf you forget
2017-04-26 14:23 <Ubit> next on my list is the also optional OpenSimSearch
2017-04-26 14:24 <agente_129> I did same to opensimsearch
2017-04-26 14:24 <Ubit> and same error ?
2017-04-26 14:24 <agente_129> yes
2017-04-26 14:24 <Ubit> last good message is the simian thing ?
2017-04-26 14:26 <agente_129> yes, 
2017-04-26 14:26 <agente_129> Plugin SimianGrid..
2017-04-26 14:26 <Ubit> well next try test with bullet, coment meshmerizer and physics lines ( that selects bullet )
2017-04-26 14:27 <agente_129> ok
2017-04-26 14:28 <agente_129> wait, now has different last message before fatal error
2017-04-26 14:28 <agente_129> 2017-04-26 16:26:54,919 INFO  [REMOTE SIMULATION CONNECTOR]: Remote simulation enabled. 2017-04-26 16:26:54,934 INFO  [USER CONNECTOR]: Remote users enabled 2017-04-26 16:26:54,934 INFO  [Serialiser] Enabled, using save dir "exports"
2017-04-26 14:28 <agente_129> let me comment ubODE to test
2017-04-26 14:29 <Ubit> ohh so fatal is elsewhere  yeack
2017-04-26 14:29 <Ubit> just kills the saving of the log
2017-04-26 14:29 <agente_129> after: INFO  [Serialiser] Enabled, using save dir "exports" comes the fatal 
2017-04-26 14:31 <Ubit> hard to tell do the multitask nature of opensim :(
2017-04-26 14:32 <agente_129> http_listener_cn = "localhost" maybe need to be IP address web service, no?
2017-04-26 14:33 <agente_129> cause web server not at same server
2017-04-26 14:33 <agente_129> another host
2017-04-26 14:34 <Ubit> that is for internal server and ssl  that you are not using
2017-04-26 14:36 <Ubit> btw you are not trying to use ssl, are you?
2017-04-26 14:37 <agente_129> what's that page who show git version master ? maybe need to make some database migration to 0.9.0 - 0.9.1
2017-04-26 14:38 <agente_129> there are some new database migration file?
2017-04-26 14:38 <Ubit> http_listener_ssl = false ?
2017-04-26 14:38 <agente_129> yes
2017-04-26 14:38 <agente_129> false
2017-04-26 14:38 <Ubit> damm :)
2017-04-26 14:39 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=shortlog&p=opensim is the gitview
2017-04-26 14:39 <agente_129> maybe no have some table or column 
2017-04-26 14:39 <Ubit> region should do the migration
2017-04-26 14:40 <Ubit> you dont have a type anywhere on the config files ?
2017-04-26 14:40 <agente_129> where can I find the last migration script?
2017-04-26 14:40 <Ubit> a typo i mean
2017-04-26 14:42 <Ubit> migrations are done acording to info ...Data\MySQL\Resources
2017-04-26 14:42 <Ubit> in case of mysql
2017-04-26 14:43 <agente_129> let me see
2017-04-26 14:45 <agente_129> comes inside clone files ?
2017-04-26 14:46 <Ubit> clone files?
2017-04-26 14:47 <agente_129> the last one migration was: http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=443fc60cdf399a49832e787ca58c2644bef7e457
2017-04-26 14:47 <agente_129> ?
2017-04-26 14:47 <Ubit> yeap
2017-04-26 14:48 <Ubit> but that error seems unrelated
2017-04-26 14:48 <Ubit> more about configuration
2017-04-26 14:48 <Ubit> mk sure you have no typo on the ini files
2017-04-26 14:49 <Ubit> i seen those cause FATAL
2017-04-26 14:55 <agente_129> what you mean typo?
2017-04-26 14:55 <Ubit> a typing error like a missing = or something
2017-04-26 14:58 <agente_129> It was working. Before working using mono to linux version
2017-04-26 14:58 <agente_129> but when I am trying to use windows server, only robust works fine
2017-04-26 15:00 <Ubit> i can only try to guessm usually that FATAL is followed by more information about the error location :(
2017-04-26 15:01 <Ubit> you are starting opensim on a cmd console?
2017-04-26 15:01 <agente_129> yes
2017-04-26 15:02 <Ubit> that stays open when it dies�
2017-04-26 15:02 <Ubit> ?
2017-04-26 15:02 <agente_129> yes
2017-04-26 15:02 <Ubit> and even there there no more lines after that initial FATAL error?
2017-04-26 15:03 <agente_129> has only 1 error
2017-04-26 15:03 <agente_129> Fatal Error
2017-04-26 15:03 <agente_129> other informations are done
2017-04-26 15:05 <Ubit> well something on modules startup is failing
2017-04-26 15:05 <Ubit> usual cause is a problem on ini files :(
2017-04-26 15:06 <agente_129> hard to find than . There are many .ini
2017-04-26 15:07 <agente_129> look my opensim.log at http://www.xposeutoo.com/opensim.log
2017-04-26 15:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #5432 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-26 15:16 <agente_129> hum let me check
2017-04-26 15:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5432: SUCCESS in 5 min 36 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5432/
2017-04-26 15:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: give more information on Fatal Error during region startup
2017-04-26 15:22 <Ubit> try this if you can..   i need go rl for a bit
2017-04-26 15:23 <agente_129> tks, I am getting new version to test
2017-04-26 15:27 <Plugh> That log isn't particularly useful. Just fatal error with no additional details.
2017-04-26 15:29 <agente_129> oh new version better :) show the error
2017-04-26 15:29 <Plugh> agente_129: I didn't see the earlier part of your conversation with Ubit. You are using the same ini files in Windows that worked under Linux?
2017-04-26 15:29 <Ubit> and what is the error ?
2017-04-26 15:30 <agente_129> oh, DTLNSLMoneyModule 
2017-04-26 15:30 <agente_129> now better to fix
2017-04-26 15:30 <Ubit> yeap
2017-04-26 15:35 <diva_> I fixed the appearance thing for the newer version of Singu, but this newer version is still doing something weird. It's always requesting 4 items that don't exist, and they are always the same items IDs, for all accounts. Something seems to be hard coded in Singu, and I don't know what they want with that
2017-04-26 15:35 <diva_> 08:33:14 - [AVFACTORY]: Can't find inventory item db5a4e5f-9da3-44c8-992d-1181c5795498 for Skin, setting to default
2017-04-26 15:35 <diva_> 08:33:14 - [AVFACTORY]: Can't find inventory item 6969c7cc-f72f-4a76-a19b-c293cce8ce4f for Hair, setting to default
2017-04-26 15:35 <diva_> 08:33:14 - [AVFACTORY]: Can't find inventory item 7999702b-b291-48f9-8903-c91dfb828408 for Eyes, setting to default
2017-04-26 15:35 <diva_> 08:33:14 - [AVFACTORY]: Can't find inventory item 566cb59e-ef60-41d7-bfa6-e0f293fbea40 for Shirt, setting to default
2017-04-26 15:35 <diva_> always these IDs
2017-04-26 15:36 <diva_> which is weird, because itemIDs are supposed to be unique -- they're the primary key in our items table
2017-04-26 15:36 <diva_> can't find these IDs anywhere in opensim
2017-04-26 15:37 <Ubit> those ids are moving targets :(
2017-04-26 15:38 <diva_> what do you mean
2017-04-26 15:38 <Ubit> hmm but those should be the ones you did create on the new account
2017-04-26 15:38 <Ubit> no ?
2017-04-26 15:39 <diva_> yeah, so after my fix the appearance is ok, it finds the items, the avie rez,  etc. but it still asks for those items
2017-04-26 15:39 <Ubit> ( i mean that default UUIDs on viewers are "moving targets" keep changing )
2017-04-26 15:40 <diva_> even for the older account I had, it requests those items
2017-04-26 15:40 <diva_> I don't know what it wants
2017-04-26 15:40 <Plugh> agente_129: If you are having a problem because of the DTL/NSL money module you will have to fix that yourself. The module code hasn't been updated in a while and I suspect more recent changes in OpenSim may mean that module needs some minor adjustments.
2017-04-26 15:40 <diva_> it also doesn't bake until I do a rebake
2017-04-26 15:41 <diva_> but at least it's not a cloud
2017-04-26 15:41 <agente_129> Plugh: hum.. So maybe I need downgrade the version, right?
2017-04-26 15:45 <Ubit> diva yes those are hard coded UUIDs on singu
2017-04-26 15:52 <Plugh> agente_129: If you mean downgrade the version of OpenSim, yes.
2017-04-26 15:53 <Plugh> agente_129: I did set up that module for use in a grid for someone a while back but they were still using 0.8.2 and not the latest 0.9 level code.
2017-04-26 15:54 <agente_129> I am using opensim.currency-0.9.0_dev
2017-04-26 16:47 <Ubit> damm i still have a shy face on ubOde cylinders :)
2017-04-26 16:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #5433 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-26 17:00 <djphil> This fix Singularity avatar cloud ?
2017-04-26 17:01 <Ubit> on new avatars
2017-04-26 17:01 <djphil> yes or existing too
2017-04-26 17:02 <Ubit> i said on new..  :p
2017-04-26 17:02 <Ubit> ie on create user
2017-04-26 17:02 <djphil> oki
2017-04-26 17:02 <djphil> no fix for existing ?
2017-04-26 17:03 <Ubit> those are other issues
2017-04-26 17:03 <Ubit> what singu version?
2017-04-26 17:03 <djphil> yes probably
2017-04-26 17:03 <djphil> no reported yet ?
2017-04-26 17:03 <djphil> nighly build
2017-04-26 17:03 <Ubit> i do use 1.8.6 ocasionally and see no major issues
2017-04-26 17:04 <Ubit> yeahhh  yeahh have fun with those versions :p
2017-04-26 17:04 <djphil> 1.8.7 (6937) Mar 28 2017 00:41:56 (Singularity Alpha)
2017-04-26 17:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5433: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5433/
2017-04-26 17:04 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Fill out Current Outfit folder with links when creating the initial avatar appearance. Some viewers (e.g. Singularity 1.8.7) get seriously confused when the avatar has no current outfit links.
2017-04-26 17:04 <Ubit> last singu i trust is 1.8.6
2017-04-26 17:04 <djphil> Hre with this version, i'm everytime i cloud and need every time use Rebake
2017-04-26 17:05 <djphil> Here*
2017-04-26 17:05 <djphil> Np with FireStorm :)
2017-04-26 17:06 <djphil> idem with Kokua and Alchemy, np
2017-04-26 17:06 <Ubit> yeap.. odd things with singu... 
2017-04-26 17:06 <Ubit> but its been a while since i looked
2017-04-26 17:07 <Ubit> gave up when they messed up visual parameters and refused my patch  until another dev did accept it
2017-04-26 17:08 <djphil> :p
2017-04-26 17:09 <djphil> if you accept bugs you need to accept patchs (lol)
2017-04-26 17:09 <Ubit> "works at sl"
2017-04-26 17:10 <djphil> yes yes
2017-04-26 17:10 <Ubit> so not a bug .. bahh
2017-04-26 17:12 <djphil> Yo uahve chance you can do "custom" patch for you, you can write C# ... but simple user like me can't do that. I lets you imagine the frustration ;)
2017-04-26 17:12 <djphil> You have*
2017-04-26 17:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #5434 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-26 17:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5434: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5434/
2017-04-26 17:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubMeshmerizer: fix the orientation of last triangle on top/bottom faces of
2017-04-26 17:43 <Plugh> agente_129: ok. That is not a module I've used.
2017-04-26 21:49 <agente_129> anyone got this issue trying to run OpenSim.exe ? Could not load file or assembly 'Mono.Security, Version=4.0.0.0,
2017-04-26 21:52 <Plugh> I haven't seen that.
2017-04-26 21:52 <Plugh> bbl. Heading out to get food for dinner.
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2017-04-26 23:01 <misterblue> diva_: thanks for updating libOMV, that fixed my problems with images
2017-04-26 23:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #5435 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-26 23:04 <diva_> cool beans, misterblue
2017-04-26 23:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5435: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5435/
2017-04-26 23:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a usefull taint and update
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2017-04-27 01:12 <Agente-129> hey, I found the real issue. Not was money mode. Was the DLL Mono.Security I got another version and works fine now.
2017-04-27 01:18 <Agente-129> Plugh: MoneyServer.exe works fine to current version too. 
2017-04-27 01:19 <Plugh> ok. Glad you found the problem. I don't recall that module when I tried out the DSL/NTL money module. I mostly work from source files when available so I don't know much about possible problems with some of the pre-compiled files out there.
2017-04-27 01:24 <Agente-129> I did many tests using Money and works fine .. all time the problem was the Mono.Security lol
2017-04-27 01:48 <Plugh> The copy of DTL/NSL currency I have doesn't use that module afaicr.
2017-04-27 01:49 <Plugh> oh, mono security. Hm... I'm using a mono I built myself.
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2017-04-27 11:37 <jakdaniels> Agente-129: I found that I needed to symlink /usr/lib64/libMonoPosixHelper.so into /usr/lib to stop the mono security error on an x86_64 linux system
2017-04-27 11:51 <Agente-129> jakdaniels: this error was using windows server 2012 r2. 
2017-04-27 11:53 <jakdaniels> ah ok. Opensim seems to need the mono.security dll for something (and on linux that dll depends on the libMonoPosixHelper.so library). Was that dll not installed on your system?
2017-04-27 11:55 <Agente-129> no, the dll from the folder, not working to me. I got other dll by other site
2017-04-27 11:55 <Agente-129> so the problem was solved
2017-04-27 12:34 <jakdaniels> ping Ubit
2017-04-27 12:35 <jakdaniels> ODE and ubODE is now broken on linux centos/rhel 6 since the recompile....
2017-04-27 12:35 <Ubit> hmm
2017-04-27 12:35 <Ubit> how broken ?
2017-04-27 12:35 <jakdaniels> I suspect it was build on a newer system and (with newer LSB) and doesn't now run...
2017-04-27 12:35 <jakdaniels> ok openlog says: 13:31:28 - Fatal error: System.DllNotFoundException: lib64/libode-x86_64
2017-04-27 12:36 <jakdaniels> the .so is there but ldd says this about it:
2017-04-27 12:36 <Ubit> newer lsb?
2017-04-27 12:36 <jakdaniels> ldd opensim/bin/lib64/libode-x86_64.so
2017-04-27 12:36 <jakdaniels> opensim/bin/lib64/libode-x86_64.so: /lib64/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by opensim/bin/lib64/libode-x86_64.so)
2017-04-27 12:36 <jakdaniels>         linux-vdso.so.1 =>  (0x00007ffc84d62000)
2017-04-27 12:36 <jakdaniels>         libpthread.so.0 => /lib64/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007f6f58ab4000)
2017-04-27 12:36 <jakdaniels>         libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.6 (0x00007f6f587ae000)
2017-04-27 12:36 <jakdaniels>         libm.so.6 => /lib64/libm.so.6 (0x00007f6f58529000)
2017-04-27 12:36 <jakdaniels>         libc.so.6 => /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x00007f6f58195000)
2017-04-27 12:36 <jakdaniels>         libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib64/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x00007f6f57f7f000)
2017-04-27 12:36 <jakdaniels>         /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f6f58fcb000)
2017-04-27 12:36 <Ubit> ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 ??
2017-04-27 12:37 <jakdaniels> LSB is the binary support between linux versions of libraries compiled against GLIBC
2017-04-27 12:37 <jakdaniels> so for example.... binaries compiled on centos 5 or 6 will run on 7 but not other way around...
2017-04-27 12:37 <jakdaniels> this is also true of ubuntu/debian etc... every now and then this LSB thingy is incremented
2017-04-27 12:38 <Ubit> ok
2017-04-27 12:38 <jakdaniels> we had this issue with bulletsim a while ago. Again, it had been compiled on the latest greatest newest linux distro, and it stopped it working on older (but still current) distros
2017-04-27 12:38 <Ubit> you are using the libs neb did commit right?
2017-04-27 12:39 <jakdaniels> Centos 6 is still current until 2020
2017-04-27 12:39 <Ubit> the so files
2017-04-27 12:39 <jakdaniels> yes, just pulled from dev this morning
2017-04-27 12:39 <Ubit> ok so he did compile them on a newer OS so incompatible with older ones?
2017-04-27 12:40 <jakdaniels> that's what I'm guessing.... as I said I've come across this before. But i'm not 100% sure
2017-04-27 12:40 <jakdaniels> let me see what version of GLIBC is on centos 6
2017-04-27 12:40 <Ubit> can you try to compile it?
2017-04-27 12:41 <jakdaniels> sure.... but let me dig into this a bit more first
2017-04-27 12:41 <Ubit> ok the lib is at our opensim-libs repo
2017-04-27 12:42 <jakdaniels> Yeah Centos 6 uses GLIBC 2.12
2017-04-27 12:42 <Ubit> ( i now remember this happened before, dan did compile them for me also on a modern platform
2017-04-27 12:42 <Ubit> mel later did replace by older 
2017-04-27 12:42 <jakdaniels> Yep.... this is a recurring thing :)
2017-04-27 12:43 <Ubit> ok  info for you to compile.. lets see
2017-04-27 12:43 <jakdaniels> do you have a url for the source?
2017-04-27 12:44 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Opensim-libs_git_repository
2017-04-27 12:44 <Ubit> after the on the folders
2017-04-27 12:45 <Ubit> ...\trunk\unmanaged\ODE-OpenSim-0.13.2
2017-04-27 12:45 <Ubit> well / on linux
2017-04-27 12:45 <Ubit> read the OPENSIM-README.txt
2017-04-27 12:45 <jakdaniels> ok.... give me a bit... i'll recompile it
2017-04-27 12:58 <jakdaniels> Ubit.... does this look right to you..... before I start the compile for the 64bit version?
2017-04-27 12:58 <jakdaniels> https://pastebin.com/rN4JEDwH
2017-04-27 12:59 <Ubit> yeap looks ok
2017-04-27 12:59 <Ubit> err hmm libcc shoul not be there ???
2017-04-27 12:59 <Plugh> hm... Ubit has been change the physics library again?
2017-04-27 13:00 <Ubit> there will be.. but issue is that Neb compiled on a modern linux, so fails on older ones
2017-04-27 13:00 <jakdaniels> the library was compiled on a new box with GLIBC2.14. Centos 6 has only GLIBC2.12
2017-04-27 13:00 <Ubit> for our unmanaged libs we need a older box 
2017-04-27 13:01 <Ubit> so compatibilty is mantained
2017-04-27 13:01 <Plugh> ok. My libc is 2.23
2017-04-27 13:02 <Ubit> jak notice that if compiles fine the lib is hidded on a odd folder
2017-04-27 13:02 <Ubit> ode/src/.libs ?  see the txt
2017-04-27 13:02 <Plugh> I have access to a box with CentOS 6.8 that has glibc 2.12
2017-04-27 13:02 <jakdaniels> yeah I have libode.so.4.1.0 in ode/src/.libs
2017-04-27 13:03 <Ubit> cool  copy it to opensim  renaming
2017-04-27 13:03 <jakdaniels> building on a clean centos 6.9 box.... doing the 32bit version now
2017-04-27 13:23 <Plugh> I just compiled ODE-13.2 under CentOS6.8 64-bit with no problem.
2017-04-27 13:23 <Ubit> and does it run? :)
2017-04-27 13:24 <jakdaniels> me too, but doing the 32bit one is a bit more involved. Plugh you should use centos 6.9... it has security updates to GLIBC
2017-04-27 13:24 <Ubit> plugh mb its better you do the versions commits then, unless we find a even older box
2017-04-27 13:24 <Ubit> well older with reason
2017-04-27 13:25 <Ubit> and do the new libs run? lol
2017-04-27 13:27 <Plugh> jakdaniels: It is a remote machine for a live grid. Updating the version of OS on could be a little bit trickly.
2017-04-27 13:28 <Plugh> bah. mono saves profile data in some binary .mlpd file format.
2017-04-27 13:28 <jakdaniels> OK, so the 64bit version works, but I can't get the 32bit cross compile to work
2017-04-27 13:29 <jakdaniels> I also get a lot of these messages in opensim now since the JPEG dll was recompiled when warp3d makes maps:
2017-04-27 13:29 <jakdaniels> 14:27:40 - [WARP 3D IMAGE MODULE]: Failed to decode asset 58949c0d-13fd-4dd0-bba3-d6573dc5a6c7, exception  System.ApplicationException: Requested bitrate is too small.
2017-04-27 13:31 <Ubit> bitrate? yeack
2017-04-27 13:31 <Plugh> Just found one other bootstrap file I hadn't marked as executable.
2017-04-27 13:32 <jakdaniels> yeah I get many many yellow messages regarding this. Did misterblue recompile the OpenJPEG dll recently?
2017-04-27 13:33 <misterblue> no... it's whatever has been there for a while
2017-04-27 13:34 <misterblue> what was updated was CSJ2K.dll which is the C# connector to OpenJPEG
2017-04-27 13:34 <Plugh> hm... I just tried to cross-compile ODE under CentOS and got -> configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables
2017-04-27 13:35 <jakdaniels> ok... yes.... I thought I'd seen some reference to OpenJPEG. Could the two be related somehow
2017-04-27 13:35 <jakdaniels> https://pastebin.com/TXvx0kTt
2017-04-27 13:35 <jakdaniels> Plugh, I get that too
2017-04-27 13:35 <Plugh> I wonder if I have the tools needed on the box to do the compile.
2017-04-27 13:35 <jakdaniels> I might just spin up a 32bit centos 6 VM and use that
2017-04-27 13:36 <Ubit> no cross compile instaled?
2017-04-27 13:36 <Plugh> The box is 64-bit so it may be missing the 32-bit libraries.
2017-04-27 13:36 <jakdaniels> I tried my centos 6 build box that has *everything* installed lol and it didn't work there either
2017-04-27 13:36 <jakdaniels> but it was a 64bit build box with 32bit libs installed
2017-04-27 13:37 <Ubit> hmmm replace csj2k with the previus one and see if that assets error still shows up
2017-04-27 13:37 <Ubit> hmm i don't notice it on my win box
2017-04-27 13:37 <Plugh> I get the same compile error trying to cross compile on my main computer.
2017-04-27 13:37 <jakdaniels> misterblue... it is the CSJ2K lib that's seems to be failing in warp3d
2017-04-27 13:37 <Ubit> jak replace it with last one
2017-04-27 13:37 <Ubit> and try
2017-04-27 13:38 <jakdaniels> It worked all fine before i git pulled this morning and got the new dll
2017-04-27 13:38 <Ubit> er plz :)
2017-04-27 13:38 <Ubit> just sanity check
2017-04-27 13:38 <Plugh> time for food. bbl.
2017-04-27 13:39 <Ubit> you eat 2 much Plugh :P
2017-04-27 13:39 <Ubit> :)
2017-04-27 13:39 <misterblue> I don't know what the Warp3D dependencies are
2017-04-27 13:39 <Plugh> :)
2017-04-27 13:39 <Ubit> every days you lead to eat.. tsst tstt tsttt :)
2017-04-27 13:39 <Ubit> whatever they are bitrates do not apply
2017-04-27 13:41 <Ubit> hmm and easier to change csj than warp in any case :)
2017-04-27 13:43 <jakdaniels> Yep all errors go away if I replace CSJ2K.dll with one dated 2015-11-18
2017-04-27 13:44 <misterblue> but only in the CentOS compilation?
2017-04-27 13:44 <nebadon> hey guys
2017-04-27 13:45 <nebadon> i used Opensuse leap 42.2 to compile 64 bit ODE
2017-04-27 13:45 <nebadon> and Debian 8 to do the 32 bit one
2017-04-27 13:45 <nebadon> i could if needed install older debian or something in VMs
2017-04-27 13:45 <nebadon> to compile them differently
2017-04-27 13:45 <jakdaniels> um... sorry I'm dealing with 2 issues at once... the compilation issue is with ODE libs.... this CSJ2K.dll issue is different
2017-04-27 13:45 <nebadon> that would take me a litle while to setup though
2017-04-27 13:46 <misterblue> I keep an old 32bit and 64bit OS image on AWS to compile Bullet :)
2017-04-27 13:46 <jakdaniels> I have a 64bit lib compiled on centos 6 which works.... maybe the 32bit one is OK
2017-04-27 13:46 <nebadon> well Debian 8 is pretty new as well
2017-04-27 13:46 <jakdaniels> what GLIBC version?
2017-04-27 13:46 <jakdaniels> ldd --version
2017-04-27 13:46 <nebadon> i have to turn the machine on
2017-04-27 13:46 <nebadon> its a vm
2017-04-27 13:46 <nebadon> 1 sec
2017-04-27 13:48 <nebadon> 2.19-18
2017-04-27 13:48 <nebadon> and my 64 bit machine has 2.22
2017-04-27 13:48 <misterblue> the CSJ2K error is odd though... the sources were not changed... it was just a recompiling of libomv and updating all the OpenMetaverse bins together... very  odd
2017-04-27 13:49 <nebadon> I always have trouble with CentOS
2017-04-27 13:49 <nebadon> always seems like some dependency is wrong
2017-04-27 13:50 <jakdaniels> it just uses older libraries.... but with more backported securitu fixes from redhat
2017-04-27 13:51 <jakdaniels> I have a 64bit version of libode-x86_64.so which works on centos 6 here:
2017-04-27 13:51 <jakdaniels> http://host3-5.ateb.co.uk/MIOS/libode-x86_64.so
2017-04-27 13:51 <Ubit> what this lib omv git repo url?
2017-04-27 13:53 <jakdaniels> https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse
2017-04-27 13:54 <jakdaniels> hmm... neb centos 6 uses 2.12
2017-04-27 13:56 <jakdaniels> I'll spin up a 32bit centos 6 and build a 32 bit version too
2017-04-27 13:59 <Ubit> hmm seems back in 2014 dahlia did revert a update to csj
2017-04-27 13:59 <Ubit> 2013
2017-04-27 14:03 <nebadon> ok
2017-04-27 14:03 <nebadon> it would be easy enough for me to fire up a 64 bit debian 8 vm and recreate the 64 bit .so file
2017-04-27 14:04 <nebadon> or if it doesnt work in 32 bit either i could fire up older debian 7
2017-04-27 14:04 <jakdaniels> GLIBC still too new i think. 
2017-04-27 14:04 <nebadon> ok
2017-04-27 14:06 <jakdaniels> Ive just PXE installed a 32bit centos 6.9
2017-04-27 14:07 <jakdaniels> I'll build the 32 bit on that (but I can't test it) All my Opensims run on Centos 6.9 64bit. That .so does now work after re-compilation
2017-04-27 14:10 <jakdaniels> who uses 32bit linux these days anyway? :)
2017-04-27 14:11 <nebadon> yea 32 bit linux days are numbered
2017-04-27 14:11 <nebadon> Opensuse has already dropped support
2017-04-27 14:21 <jakdaniels> 32bit version compiled on centos 6.9 32bit here: http://host3-5.ateb.co.uk/MIOS/libode.so
2017-04-27 14:22 <jakdaniels> so both compiled against GLIBC 2.12
2017-04-27 14:28 <nebadon> im installing debian 7.11 to see what it has now
2017-04-27 14:30 <jakdaniels> really dependent libraries should be build on the old possible linux distro that is still supported (and has the oldest GLIBC). This will ensure greatest compatability
2017-04-27 14:31 <jakdaniels> It's the same reason we still have jenkins use mono 2.10.8
2017-04-27 14:32 <nebadon> yea I agree somewhat
2017-04-27 14:32 <nebadon> we cant stay behind forever though either
2017-04-27 14:33 <nebadon> as long as it doesnt prevent hold back development i agree
2017-04-27 14:33 <jakdaniels> no, but breaking compat with a mainline distro like RHEL6/centos6 is surely not acceptable while it's still supported to 2020
2017-04-27 14:33 <nebadon> yea
2017-04-27 14:34 <Ubit> why do we use CSJ2K when we have also OpenJPEG  ?
2017-04-27 14:34 <nebadon> any current LTS support should be the goal
2017-04-27 14:34 <jakdaniels> i agree
2017-04-27 14:34 <Ubit> and actually a option to replace it
2017-04-27 14:34 <Ubit>     ; Image decoding. Use CSJ2K for layer boundary decoding if true,
2017-04-27 14:34 <Ubit>     ; OpenJPEG if false
2017-04-27 14:34 <Ubit>     ; UseCSJ2K = true
2017-04-27 14:35 <nebadon> sculpty
2017-04-27 14:35 <nebadon> if i recall
2017-04-27 14:35 <nebadon> i may be remembering wrong
2017-04-27 14:35 <nebadon> but openjpeg couldnt decode them correctly for physics or something
2017-04-27 14:35 <nebadon> for primesher
2017-04-27 14:35 <nebadon> but i may be misremembering too this is aincent stuff
2017-04-27 14:36 <nebadon> it was inconsistent between 32 bit and 64 bit or something
2017-04-27 14:36 <Ubit> nopes
2017-04-27 14:37 <Ubit> i use openjpeg directly on sculpts
2017-04-27 14:37 <Ubit>       try
2017-04-27 14:37 <Ubit>                 {
2017-04-27 14:37 <Ubit>                     OpenMetaverse.Imaging.ManagedImage unusedData;
2017-04-27 14:37 <Ubit>                     OpenMetaverse.Imaging.OpenJPEG.DecodeToImage(primShape.SculptData, out unusedData, out idata);
2017-04-27 14:37 <nebadon> hmm dahlia could maybe clarify it
2017-04-27 14:37 <Ubit> let me check the other meshmerizer
2017-04-27 14:38 <nebadon> yea sorry meshmerizer was what i meant to say
2017-04-27 14:38 <nebadon> not primesher
2017-04-27 14:38 <Ubit> yeap same think
2017-04-27 14:39 <nebadon> its possible maybe what i was thinking of was resolved at some point
2017-04-27 14:39 <Ubit> on sculps we call openJpeg directly
2017-04-27 14:39 <nebadon> but i swear at one point we had trouble with openjpeg doing it consistently
2017-04-27 14:40 <Ubit> so its only used on the UDP textures LOD and warp3d bc of that option
2017-04-27 14:47 <jakdaniels> In know misterblue said that none of the source had changed in libomv including CSJ2K. Could it be a difference between compiling the libs in .NET/windows rather than mono/linux?
2017-04-27 14:47 <Ubit> well change that option to use openJped and i still have udp textures and map images
2017-04-27 14:48 <jakdaniels> The file size of the new dll is 472KB. The original one was 491KB
2017-04-27 14:48 <Ubit> openjpeg
2017-04-27 14:48 <Ubit> so not sure why we keep 2 things for the same
2017-04-27 14:48 <jakdaniels> so warp3d used openjpeg instead?
2017-04-27 14:48 <Ubit> ther is a option to select either
2017-04-27 14:49 <jakdaniels> yeah i saw above
2017-04-27 14:49 <Ubit> we do depend on openJpeg from sculpts... explicitly
2017-04-27 14:50 <Ubit> hmm let me tell fs to use http tex again bf i foget :)
2017-04-27 14:53 <Ubit> ohh i also need food after all...  bbl :)
2017-04-27 14:54 <Ubit> ohh bf i do... ubOde is now working ok jak ?
2017-04-27 14:55 <jakdaniels> yes 64bit tested and working. 32bit compiled same way on 32bit centos, but cannot test
2017-04-27 14:55 <Ubit> ok  bbl
2017-04-27 14:55 <jakdaniels> http://host3-5.ateb.co.uk/MIOS/ODE/
2017-04-27 14:55 <jakdaniels> both in that folder
2017-04-27 14:55 <Ubit> ty
2017-04-27 14:57 <nebadon> Debian 7 has glibc 2.13-38
2017-04-27 14:57 <jakdaniels> wow... still slightly newer than centos 6
2017-04-27 14:58 <jakdaniels> I guess redhat are nuts on keeping binary compatability and patch things for longer
2017-04-27 14:58 <nebadon> yea
2017-04-27 14:58 <jakdaniels> with security updates
2017-04-27 14:58 <jakdaniels> here's the commit history on CSJ2K.... you were right neb
2017-04-27 14:58 <nebadon> while that is good for stuff like apache/nginx most standard web platforms
2017-04-27 14:58 <jakdaniels> https://pastebin.com/3isTdbLy
2017-04-27 14:58 <nebadon> stuff like mono and opensim it really complicates matters
2017-04-27 14:59 <jakdaniels> well... look at it like this..... if the libs were compiled on centos 6... they would work everywhere :-p
2017-04-27 14:59 <nebadon> ah cool
2017-04-27 14:59 <nebadon> good to know my memory isnt failing just yet :)
2017-04-27 15:00 <jakdaniels> maybe openjpeg is fixed now since 2010
2017-04-27 15:00 <nebadon> yea i suspect whatever that problem was resolved
2017-04-27 16:07 <diva_> Q about perms: when I check the "Modify
2017-04-27 16:08 <diva_> Q about perms: when I check the "Modify" box, and only that, the "Rsell.Give away" box is shaded. Does that mean that next owner CAN give it away? Or that he CAN'T give it away?
2017-04-27 16:09 <nebadon> if resell/give away is unchecked, they will not be able to
2017-04-27 16:10 <diva_> it's just shaded, I can't change it. And it shows a check mark, but I can't change it
2017-04-27 16:10 <diva_> I trying to understand all the possible combinations of MCT
2017-04-27 16:10 <diva_> It looks like some are impossible
2017-04-27 16:11 <nebadon> well i think without copy resell/give away would erase it from your inventory
2017-04-27 16:12 <diva_> what is the default? When I create a prim, the M and C are unchecked, and the T is shaded with a check mark. I don't understand what that means -- the being shaded part
2017-04-27 16:12 <nebadon> what viewer are you using?
2017-04-27 16:12 <diva_> Singularity
2017-04-27 16:12 <nebadon> when i rez a new cube with singularity all 3 are checked
2017-04-27 16:12 <diva_> 1.8.7
2017-04-27 16:12 <nebadon> hmm
2017-04-27 16:13 <nebadon> maybe encitra grid is older code
2017-04-27 16:13 <diva_> wow, that's odd. It looks like Singularity 1.8.7 changed that!
2017-04-27 16:13 <diva_> or 0.9, yes
2017-04-27 16:13 <nebadon> im on latest singularity
2017-04-27 16:13 <diva_> I tried with OnLook on 0.8.2 and they're all checked
2017-04-27 16:13 <nebadon> hmm
2017-04-27 16:13 <diva_> so maybe *we* changed it
2017-04-27 16:13 <nebadon> maybe its a combo
2017-04-27 16:13 <nebadon> yea maybe
2017-04-27 16:14 <nebadon> because on encitra grid with latest singularity all 3 are checked
2017-04-27 16:14 <diva_> anyway, I still don't understand what shaded T-check means
2017-04-27 16:14 <nebadon> i think it means same as unchecked
2017-04-27 16:14 <diva_> uncheck C and M
2017-04-27 16:15 <nebadon> let me test it
2017-04-27 16:15 <nebadon> 1 sec
2017-04-27 16:16 <nebadon> ok with it greyed out it lets me transfer it
2017-04-27 16:17 <nebadon> but it erases it
2017-04-27 16:17 <nebadon> because its no copy
2017-04-27 16:17 <Plugh> With M and C disabled it enables T. 
2017-04-27 16:17 <nebadon> erases it from the senders inventory that is
2017-04-27 16:17 <nebadon> oh this is interesting
2017-04-27 16:17 <diva_> ok
2017-04-27 16:18 <nebadon> im guessing this is an old bug on encitra grid
2017-04-27 16:18 <nebadon> i unchecked M+C
2017-04-27 16:18 <nebadon> took a copy, sent it to another avatar
2017-04-27 16:18 <nebadon> i got it, perms were correct
2017-04-27 16:18 <nebadon> i sent it back, perms were still ok
2017-04-27 16:18 <nebadon> but then i rezzed it, and took it again
2017-04-27 16:18 <nebadon> and its back to full perms
2017-04-27 16:19 <nebadon> im thinking melanie has been fixing this recently
2017-04-27 16:19 <diva_> that may be the bug that Ubit has been telling about
2017-04-27 16:19 <Plugh> Is that because you are the original creator?
2017-04-27 16:19 <nebadon> yea
2017-04-27 16:19 <diva_> she didn't fix it
2017-04-27 16:19 <nebadon> Plugh i was the original creator
2017-04-27 16:19 <nebadon> but technically that should not fix it
2017-04-27 16:19 <nebadon> it would not fix it in SL
2017-04-27 16:19 <diva_> that's the last thing we need to fix before doing a release, and that's why I'm looking at this
2017-04-27 16:19 <Plugh> Right. So I'm suggesting that when you get the item back in your hands again you get full perms because you created the item.
2017-04-27 16:19 <nebadon> well when i got it back
2017-04-27 16:20 <nebadon> the perms were correct
2017-04-27 16:20 <diva_> but I want to develop some sort of automated framework for testing permissions, because there's way too many combinations
2017-04-27 16:20 <Plugh> I don't know if that is supposed to happen or not.
2017-04-27 16:20 <nebadon> it wasnt until i rezzed it again and took it
2017-04-27 16:20 <nebadon> that it was reverted
2017-04-27 16:21 <Plugh> diva_: A testing framework is definitely needed. The question is whether it needs bots to do it or can it be scripted through the normal regression test methods.
2017-04-27 16:21 <diva_> Plugh, I thought about it, and I still don't know the answer
2017-04-27 16:22 <diva_> there's objects and rezzing involved, I odn't know how good our mock objects are
2017-04-27 16:22 <Plugh> With either method I'm not sure how one would go about setting perms on an item then putting that item inside another to then test the perms on the item containing some item.
2017-04-27 16:22 <diva_> right
2017-04-27 16:23 <diva_> that's what I'm trying to figure out. With bots, it's easy to pre-make a few objecst that have certain properties, and pass an iar around for testing
2017-04-27 16:24 <Plugh> There may be a way to do it without bots. Remember that program called Second Inventory that let us backup inventory and import it in to another grid.
2017-04-27 16:24 <diva_> I think that's basically libomv bots
2017-04-27 16:26 <Plugh> hm... Now that I'm thinking of it, it did act like an avatar. It would have generated the same messages to the back end code that a viewer would have sent to do things like rez items, set perms, texture, and alter contents of prims.
2017-04-27 16:31 <Plugh> bbl
2017-04-27 17:03 <diva_> my video cards on this computer are reaching their end of life... second hard crash in 15 minutes, with 3 viewers open
2017-04-27 17:25 <Plugh> What card do you have?
2017-04-27 18:28 <nebadon> diva_ let me know if you want to order something new I can help you find something good
2017-04-27 18:28 <nebadon> within whatever budge you have :)
2017-04-27 18:29 <diva_> oh yey, can you help me?
2017-04-27 18:29 <nebadon> sure
2017-04-27 18:29 <nebadon> do you still have the spec sheet of your machine?
2017-04-27 18:29 <diva_> I was just looking online, but I'm afraid to order the wrong thing... even opened by box to check
2017-04-27 18:29 <diva_> what specs do you need?
2017-04-27 18:29 <nebadon> yea maybe you can dig up the invoice or something
2017-04-27 18:29 <diva_> I can tell you the video cards I have now
2017-04-27 18:29 <nebadon> im pretty sure i know what it is
2017-04-27 18:29 <nebadon> ok thats good start
2017-04-27 18:30 <diva_> let me try
2017-04-27 18:30 <diva_> I have AMD Radeon HD 6570
2017-04-27 18:30 <nebadon> eeeew ok ya we can do way better heh
2017-04-27 18:30 <nebadon> is it just one card?
2017-04-27 18:30 <diva_> I can actually see them inside, they're very easy to reach and replace
2017-04-27 18:30 <diva_> it's 2 cards
2017-04-27 18:30 <nebadon> ok so its x2
2017-04-27 18:30 <nebadon> right
2017-04-27 18:30 <MarcusLlewellyn> She also needs one of these: http://www.mwelab.com/en/emperor.html
2017-04-27 18:30 <diva_> and that's where I got very confused
2017-04-27 18:30 <nebadon> her computer is quite crazy
2017-04-27 18:30 <nebadon> its Digitial Tiger
2017-04-27 18:31 <diva_> some cards I see in amazon have 4 connections to displays, but these only have 2 each
2017-04-27 18:31 <nebadon> yea those 4 connection ones are not for gaming
2017-04-27 18:31 <diva_> so I'm not sure what to do
2017-04-27 18:31 <nebadon> so avoid those
2017-04-27 18:31 <diva_> some reviews said they were, so that's why I was confused
2017-04-27 18:31 <diva_> but if you could recommend something that would be super
2017-04-27 18:32 <nebadon> you are using DVI-D cables?
2017-04-27 18:32 <nebadon> the big fat ones?
2017-04-27 18:33 <nebadon> and what is your budget?
2017-04-27 18:33 <nebadon_> ok jumped on my main machine
2017-04-27 18:33 <diva_> in each card, I'm plugging a white connhector (VGA?) and a display potr
2017-04-27 18:33 <nebadon_> raspberry pi isnt fast enough haha
2017-04-27 18:34 <nebadon_> ok 
2017-04-27 18:34 <nebadon_> im sure we can find cards with all of the connectors
2017-04-27 18:34 <diva_> the monitors all have white connectors (VGA?), I had to add a DP adaptor
2017-04-27 18:34 <nebadon_> ok
2017-04-27 18:34 <nebadon_> white is usually DVI-D
2017-04-27 18:35 <diva_> budget: under $300 preferably, but not strict
2017-04-27 18:35 <nebadon_> vga is usually blue
2017-04-27 18:35 <diva_> each
2017-04-27 18:35 <MarcusLlewellyn> This is DVI: https://www.ayagroup.com/images/D/10DP-DPDVI-03_2.jpg
2017-04-27 18:35 <nebadon_> oh so 600$ total?
2017-04-27 18:35 <diva_> what's the white one?
2017-04-27 18:35 <diva_> DVI?
2017-04-27 18:35 <diva_> I also have a bunch of blue ones that aren't being used
2017-04-27 18:36 <diva_> these dell monitors always come with blue and white cables
2017-04-27 18:36 <diva_> yes, around $600 total
2017-04-27 18:37 <nebadon_> can you check the monitor
2017-04-27 18:37 <nebadon_> do they have HDMI?
2017-04-27 18:38 <nebadon_> unfortunately it seems most of the 10XX nvidia cards only have 1 DVI connector
2017-04-27 18:38 <nebadon_> might have to go with 9XX series if your monitors are not HDMI compatible
2017-04-27 18:39 <MarcusLlewellyn> DisplayPort is pretty common too. my 1080 has two of those.
2017-04-27 18:39 <nebadon_> This would be my recommendation
2017-04-27 18:39 <nebadon_> https://www.amazon.com/STRIX-GTX970-DC2OC-4GD5-NVIDIA-GeForce-carte-graphique/dp/B00NFFAW50/ref=sr_1_8?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1493318353&sr=1-8&keywords=nvidia+gtx+STRIX
2017-04-27 18:39 <nebadon_> this is what I run in my machine currently
2017-04-27 18:40 <nebadon_> ah crap
2017-04-27 18:40 <nebadon_> its used
2017-04-27 18:40 <nebadon_> blah
2017-04-27 18:40 <nebadon_> so not that one
2017-04-27 18:42 <nebadon_> its surprisingly hard to find Dual DVI-D cards
2017-04-27 18:43 <MarcusLlewellyn> I wouldn't worry about cables too horribly much. It's easy to get, for example, hdmi to DVI cables from monoprice dirt cheap.
2017-04-27 18:43 <nebadon_> yea that is true
2017-04-27 18:44 <nebadon_> already using adapters
2017-04-27 18:44 <nebadon_> just need different ones
2017-04-27 18:44 <nebadon_> ok let me find something then
2017-04-27 18:44 <nebadon_> ok on the high end https://www.amazon.com/GeForce-STRIX-Ready-Graphic-STRIX-GTX1060-6G-GAMING/dp/B01IPVSG4C/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1493318666&sr=1-5&keywords=nvidia+GTX&refinements=p_36%3A25000-30000%2Cp_n_condition-type%3A2224371011
2017-04-27 18:45 <MarcusLlewellyn> mst3k
2017-04-27 18:45 <MarcusLlewellyn> oops
2017-04-27 18:46 <nebadon_> slightly less expensive > https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GAMING-GTX-1060-6G/dp/B01IEKYD5U/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&rps=1&ie=UTF8&qid=1493318782&sr=1-1&keywords=nvidia+GTX&refinements=p_36%3A25000-30000%2Cp_n_condition-type%3A2224371011%2Cp_85%3A2470955011
2017-04-27 18:48 <nebadon_> https://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-8-inch-Adapter-P132-08N/dp/B00HBGJS6I/ref=sr_1_8?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1493318849&sr=1-8&keywords=HDMI+to+DVI-D+converter
2017-04-27 18:48 <MarcusLlewellyn> Amazon Basics cables are good. I've a few of their things around.
2017-04-27 18:48 <nebadon_> so diva_ my personal choice would be the Asus 1060 STRIX
2017-04-27 18:49 <nebadon_> 299$ each
2017-04-27 18:49 <nebadon_> it will be far more powerful than what you currently have
2017-04-27 18:50 <nebadon_> I cant find an amazon basic version of that adapter
2017-04-27 18:52 <diva_> let me check
2017-04-27 18:53 <nebadon_> http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp%5B%5D=54&cmp%5B%5D=3703
2017-04-27 18:53 <MarcusLlewellyn> https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=102&cp_id=10231&cs_id=1023104&p_id=2404&seq=1&format=2
2017-04-27 18:53 <MarcusLlewellyn> Half the cost.
2017-04-27 18:53 <nebadon_> it literally benchmarks at 12x 
2017-04-27 18:53 <nebadon_> oh
2017-04-27 18:53 <nebadon_> your saying replace the whole cable
2017-04-27 18:53 <nebadon_> i was thinking adapter
2017-04-27 18:53 <MarcusLlewellyn> Doesn't matter, either way works.
2017-04-27 18:53 <nebadon_> yea
2017-04-27 18:53 <diva_> this? Asus 1060 STRIX
2017-04-27 18:53 <diva_> ugh
2017-04-27 18:54 <nebadon_> yes
2017-04-27 18:54 <nebadon_> ?
2017-04-27 18:54 <diva_> https://www.amazon.com/GeForce-STRIX-Ready-Graphic-STRIX-GTX1060-O6G-GAMING/dp/B01IPVSN1S/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1493319182&sr=1-1&keywords=Asus+1060+STRIX
2017-04-27 18:54 <nebadon_> yea that one works
2017-04-27 18:54 <diva_> ok, I"m going to order 
2017-04-27 18:54 <diva_> Thanks!
2017-04-27 18:54 <nebadon_> dont forget the adapter or cable
2017-04-27 18:54 <nebadon_> https://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-8-inch-Adapter-P132-08N/dp/B00HBGJS6I/ref=sr_1_8?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1493318849&sr=1-8&keywords=HDMI+to+DVI-D+converter
2017-04-27 18:54 <nebadon_> this is the adapter
2017-04-27 18:55 <nebadon_> im sure if look i can find you a complete cable replacement
2017-04-27 18:55 <diva_> what adapter?
2017-04-27 18:55 <diva_> why?
2017-04-27 18:55 <diva_> it seems to have the white adapter and the DP
2017-04-27 18:56 <MarcusLlewellyn> Do you have the model models of your monitor(s) handy?
2017-04-27 18:56 <nebadon_> https://www.amazon.com/C2G-Cables-Go-42516-Digital/dp/B00CQSYS48/ref=sr_1_12?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1493319356&sr=1-12&keywords=HDMI+Male+to+DVI+Male&refinements=p_6%3AATVPDKIKX0DER
2017-04-27 18:56 <MarcusLlewellyn> Ern model numbers
2017-04-27 18:56 <nebadon_> let me look again
2017-04-27 18:56 <nebadon_> ok but you need 3 DVI right?
2017-04-27 18:56 <jakdaniels> I just bought a 3gb version of this recently. They work well
2017-04-27 18:57 <nebadon_> with x2 cards you are only going to have 2 DVI plugs
2017-04-27 18:57 <nebadon_> technically you could hook up 6 monitors with these 2 cards
2017-04-27 18:57 <nebadon_> but they would have to be either HDMI or Display Port
2017-04-27 18:57 <nebadon_> oh
2017-04-27 18:57 <nebadon_> you are using display port
2017-04-27 18:57 <nebadon_> i must have missed you saying that
2017-04-27 18:57 <nebadon_> ok, then you are good to go
2017-04-27 18:57 <diva_> I'm using 2 display ports and 2 white things
2017-04-27 18:57 <nebadon_> ahh ok cool
2017-04-27 18:57 <diva_> cool, thanks
2017-04-27 18:58 <nebadon_> then you are good to go, for some reason i thought you were using VGA adapters
2017-04-27 18:58 <MarcusLlewellyn> 
ACTION shivers.

2017-04-27 18:58 <nebadon_> this will be a massive upgrade
2017-04-27 18:58 <nebadon_> heh
2017-04-27 18:58 <diva_> My monitors are all Dell U2212HM
2017-04-27 18:59 <nebadon_> yea perfect
2017-04-27 19:00 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yeah. Those have 1 display port, one DVI, and one vga.
2017-04-27 19:01 <nebadon_> if i were you, id go 100% display ports
2017-04-27 19:01 <MarcusLlewellyn> +1
2017-04-27 19:01 <nebadon_> ditch the DVI-D cable
2017-04-27 19:01 <nebadon_> technically you can hook up 4 Display port monitors to this rig
2017-04-27 19:03 <nebadon_> I am stuck on DVI-D myself, even though my card and monitor have HDMI support
2017-04-27 19:03 <nebadon_> you cant do 144hz over HDMI
2017-04-27 19:04 <nebadon_> it requires a special DVI-D cable to do it
2017-04-27 19:04 <nebadon_> has extra pins
2017-04-27 19:04 <MarcusLlewellyn> One of mine is HDMI, the other is using a DP2DVI cable. Both work fine.
2017-04-27 19:05 <MarcusLlewellyn> But I only have 60hz monitors.
2017-04-27 19:07 <nebadon_> once you go 144hz, its sooooo hard to look at anything else
2017-04-27 19:07 <nebadon_> hehe
2017-04-27 19:07 <MarcusLlewellyn> I'd like to get a G-Sync monitor, but there's a definite price penalty to those.
2017-04-27 19:07 <nebadon_> https://www.amazon.com/VG248QE-1920x1080-144Hz-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B00B2HH7G0/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1493320061&sr=1-1&keywords=Asus+144hz
2017-04-27 19:08 <MarcusLlewellyn> I may look at monitors on a year or so, once the HDR ones stop being crazy expensive.
2017-04-27 19:08 <MarcusLlewellyn> I wants me some HDR
2017-04-27 19:11 <nebadon_> yea its easy to spend more on a monitor than you do on your PC
2017-04-27 19:11 <nebadon_> hehe
2017-04-27 19:11 <nebadon_> especially if you want dual or three screens
2017-04-27 19:12 <Plugh> nice monitor
2017-04-27 19:14 <MarcusLlewellyn> I figure in a year or so, BenQ or HiSense or some other Chinese company will undercut the big names. Heh.
2017-04-27 19:15 <Plugh> I'm thinking about updating my video card some day. The viewers I used to access virtual worlds are hard on the CPU.
2017-04-27 19:15 <Plugh> A better video card should help reduce the CPU load.
2017-04-27 19:15 <MarcusLlewellyn> Viewers are stupidly CPU bound. :(
2017-04-27 19:16 <Plugh> CoolVL has a higher CPU load than either sing or firestorm
2017-04-27 19:16 <Plugh> Seems they vary in how hard they push the CPU
2017-04-27 19:16 <MarcusLlewellyn> And since it won't even get Vulkan support, I kinda doubt we'll see much in the way of threading or cpu utilization improvements either.
2017-04-27 19:17 <MarcusLlewellyn> The viewer is kinda locked back in the days of dual core, at best.
2017-04-27 19:18 <Plugh> I got myself a good deal on an old 17" 1280x1024 monitor yesterday. 
2017-04-27 19:19 <Plugh> I bought it from a place called Value Village where people have donated items for resale instead of having stuff that can be reused going to landfill.
2017-04-27 19:19 <MarcusLlewellyn> 4:3. How retro. ;)
2017-04-27 19:19 <Plugh> I paid $14 bugs for it.
2017-04-27 19:19 <Plugh> bucks
2017-04-27 19:19 <MarcusLlewellyn> Ah yes, we have those stores here too. 
2017-04-27 19:19 <Plugh> yeah. Its good enough for use on the workbench with a Pi.
2017-04-27 19:19 <Plugh> Can't beat the price. :)
2017-04-27 19:38 <nebadon_> I got a bunch of old Dell Monitors from a friend not long ago
2017-04-27 19:39 <nebadon_> they are SVGA only
2017-04-27 19:39 <nebadon_> i am using on server at the moment
2017-04-27 19:39 <nebadon_> he has like 30 of them though lol
2017-04-27 19:39 <nebadon_> cleaned out an office that went out of business
2017-04-27 19:39 <nebadon_> they just left all their equipment behind total abandoned
2017-04-27 19:40 <nebadon_> 1440x600 resolution
2017-04-27 19:42 <Plugh> nice
2017-04-27 19:42 <Plugh> too bad about going out of business. Good for you to rescue some of the left over equipment.
2017-04-27 19:43 <nebadon_> yea
2017-04-27 19:43 <nebadon_> i will never turn down free hardware
2017-04-27 19:43 <nebadon_> even if its super aincent
2017-04-27 19:43 <nebadon_> always some use for it
2017-04-27 19:45 <Plugh> Right. Like the 17" monitor I picked up. :)
2017-04-27 19:45 <Plugh> The manual for it that I found on the company website (NEC) had a date of 2003.
2017-04-27 19:47 <nebadon_> heh i remember NEC
2017-04-27 19:47 <nebadon_> i think they are out of business now
2017-04-27 19:48 <nebadon_> ah maybe not seems like they are still alive
2017-04-27 19:48 <nebadon_> they used to make really great displays back in the day
2017-04-27 19:53 <MarcusLlewellyn> I still have a 30" Sony Trinitron 16:10 CRT in the house somewhere that someone threw away.
2017-04-27 19:54 <nebadon_> lol
2017-04-27 19:54 <nebadon_> i have a 32 inch CRT TV in my basement still
2017-04-27 19:54 <nebadon_> only because its basically to heavy to carry back up stairs
2017-04-27 19:54 <nebadon_> lol
2017-04-27 19:54 <MarcusLlewellyn> Right? That Trinitron made my desk sag. And the heat! lol
2017-04-27 19:54 <nebadon_> hehe
2017-04-27 19:55 <nebadon_> also its like basically impossible to get rid of them here anymore where i live
2017-04-27 19:55 <nebadon_> no one will take them anymore
2017-04-27 19:55 <nebadon_> city used to have a place you could drop them off, but not anymore
2017-04-27 19:56 <MarcusLlewellyn> I hook old CRTs up to my usually headless machines once in a while. Only need em for a lil while, and they still work, so why  not?
2017-04-27 19:57 <nebadon_> i find it painful to look at CRTs like burns my eyes
2017-04-27 19:57 <nebadon_> cant imagine how i ever sat in front of them for like days on end
2017-04-27 19:57 <MarcusLlewellyn> They were always calibrated too bright, IMO. I could never understand why people would basically sit in front of a spotlight shining in their faces.
2017-04-27 19:59 <nebadon_> yea
2017-04-27 20:00 <nebadon_> lets shine a laser directly in your eye for 10 hours straight
2017-04-27 20:00 <nebadon_> hehe
2017-04-27 20:00 <MarcusLlewellyn> But then I also think people who use an IDE with a white background are Doing It Wrong. So. ;)
2017-04-27 20:07 <Plugh> bbl
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2017-04-28 00:12 <diva_> alright, ppl. I need help testing permissions. The test framework is going to take a while to write, mostly because I don't really know what to test. I think that the best way to learn is to do it manually, systematically once. So who can help me with what to do?
2017-04-28 00:12 <diva_> Here's my understanding
2017-04-28 00:14 <diva_> We need to test what happens when objects are transferred between avies, either directly or indirectly via inworld. We need to make sure that the receiver does not end up with more permissions than the giver intended.
2017-04-28 00:14 <diva_> directly means dropping objects on avies or avies' profiles, I think
2017-04-28 00:15 <diva_> indirectly means the giver placing the object inworld via rez, or inside a vendor of some sort. Anything else?
2017-04-28 00:16 <diva_> as attachment to a group notice too?
2017-04-28 00:20 <Ubit> guess so
2017-04-28 00:21 <diva_> ok
2017-04-28 00:22 <diva_> "The object" may be a simple box, or may be a box with things inside. The things inside may have different permissiona than the container and we need to check that the permissions of the receiver are all correct. Right?
2017-04-28 00:22 <Ubit> but its more...  how parts contents permitions affect global object prermissions
2017-04-28 00:22 <diva_> yes, I'm going top down
2017-04-28 00:22 <Ubit> ok
2017-04-28 00:23 <diva_> so let's talk about "the object"
2017-04-28 00:24 <diva_> 1) simple box; 2) box with objects inside; 3) a group of linked objects. Anything else?
2017-04-28 00:24 <diva_> do we need to test things like wearables, textures, etc?
2017-04-28 00:26 <Ubit> yeap  inventory to inventory of other person
2017-04-28 00:27 <diva_> anything else?
2017-04-28 00:32 <diva_> Let's start with the box. From what I can see, there are only 6 combinations, even though there are 3 checkboxes. Here are the combinaitons that I was able to get: C, CT, MC, MCT, MT, T. Is this right? (C=Copy, T=Transfer, M=Modify)
2017-04-28 00:32 <Ubit> and V
2017-04-28 00:32 <Ubit> move
2017-04-28 00:33 <Ubit> ohh checkboxs...
2017-04-28 00:33 <Ubit> yeap check boxe are 3
2017-04-28 00:33 <diva_> oh there are also the "anyone ca" checkboxes
2017-04-28 00:34 <diva_> I wasn't looking into those [yet]
2017-04-28 00:34 <diva_> just next owner
2017-04-28 00:35 <Ubit> o inv there is also group share
2017-04-28 00:36 <Ubit> you will also see export, flag but that will need later revision since i don't see 2 viewers doing the same
2017-04-28 00:38 <Ubit> fs also shows debug information about the seveal permissions masks etc
2017-04-28 00:38 <Ubit> B;  O: G; E; and F:
2017-04-28 00:38 <diva_> what's that?
2017-04-28 00:39 <Ubit> B is the base mask  O owner G shared group, E everyone 
2017-04-28 00:39 <Ubit> F is full ( i called effective ) are the ones we really have on the object
2017-04-28 00:40 <diva_> Full is a mask?
2017-04-28 00:40 <Ubit> has same bits VMCT as others
2017-04-28 00:40 <diva_> what's that?
2017-04-28 00:40 <Ubit> but its a result, not mask
2017-04-28 00:40 <diva_> what's V?
2017-04-28 00:41 <Ubit> V is move right, M is modify, c copy, t transfer
2017-04-28 00:41 <diva_> but V is not for next owner
2017-04-28 00:42 <Ubit> i was talking about the debug info fs shows about permitions, 
2017-04-28 00:42 <diva_> I'm trying to break this down into digestable chunks
2017-04-28 00:42 <diva_> once chunk I see is what the next owner can/can't do
2017-04-28 00:42 <diva_> *one
2017-04-28 00:43 <diva_> another chunk is what members of the group can/can't do
2017-04-28 00:43 <Ubit> that only applies to group owned objects
2017-04-28 00:43 <diva_> yes
2017-04-28 00:44 <Ubit> but group share still applies in that case!
2017-04-28 00:44 <diva_> another chunk is what Anyone can /can't do
2017-04-28 00:44 <Ubit> ( if active on the prim of course )
2017-04-28 00:44 <diva_> so 1) next owner; 2) group (for group objects); 3) everyone
2017-04-28 00:45 <Ubit> shared goup and friends rights
2017-04-28 00:45 <diva_> friends?
2017-04-28 00:45 <diva_> where do they come from?
2017-04-28 00:46 <Ubit> yes  friends right to modify our objects
2017-04-28 00:46 <diva_> oh yeah, I forgot about that
2017-04-28 00:46 <diva_> so that'd be a fourth category
2017-04-28 00:46 <diva_> so 1) next owner; 2) group (for group objects); 3) everyone; 4) friends
2017-04-28 00:46 <Ubit> that falls back to owner rights actually 
2017-04-28 00:47 <diva_> does it? I think there's a lot more places where it can go wrong
2017-04-28 00:48 <Ubit> its complex yes :(
2017-04-28 00:49 <Ubit> but in most cases, if not all, friends ==  owner
2017-04-28 00:53 <diva_> ok, so really, 5 categories of tests: 1) owner, 2) next owner (requires transfer), 3) group, 4) everyone, 5) friends 
2017-04-28 00:54 <Ubit> there is also object lock on prim edit, object tab.  that is encoded on the Move flag
2017-04-28 00:55 <diva_> and N categories of items: 1) simple box, 2) container box, 3) notecards, 4) wearables, 5) textures, 6) scripts, ...
2017-04-28 00:55 <Ubit> yeap
2017-04-28 00:55 <diva_> what's lock on prim edit?
2017-04-28 00:56 <diva_> why is it related to permissions?
2017-04-28 00:56 <Ubit> prevents modify and move of the object when set
2017-04-28 00:56 <diva_> but is that a permission issue?
2017-04-28 00:56 <Ubit> safe guard for wrong edition
2017-04-28 00:56 <Ubit> is a inworld permission
2017-04-28 00:56 <diva_> hmm that doesn't sound like permission, it sounds like a reular property
2017-04-28 00:57 <Ubit> well affects Move permission
2017-04-28 00:57 <diva_> like physical os phantom or whatever
2017-04-28 00:57 <diva_> does it? How?
2017-04-28 00:57 <Ubit> but its a permission
2017-04-28 00:58 <diva_> how does it affect the move permission?
2017-04-28 00:58 <Ubit> as i said it encoded on the Move flag   lock == not move
2017-04-28 00:58 <Ubit> but that also No mod on effective (F) 
2017-04-28 00:58 <Ubit> disables it
2017-04-28 00:59 <diva_> maybe I'm not underatanding what that does
2017-04-28 00:59 <diva_> I thought it was only for making sure the object doesn't move when I'm edititing it
2017-04-28 01:00 <Ubit> diva prevents anyone including owner from moving or modify a in world object
2017-04-28 01:00 <diva_> oh anyone
2017-04-28 01:00 <Ubit> and owner
2017-04-28 01:00 <Ubit> it s a safe guard to protect something we do not what to edit or change 
2017-04-28 01:00 <Ubit> by mistake
2017-04-28 01:01 <diva_> ok I really don't get what this does
2017-04-28 01:01 <diva_> I just chcked it, and all checkboxes in theentire edit window become disabled
2017-04-28 01:01 <Ubit> yes..  the NO MOD side effect of it
2017-04-28 01:02 <diva_> what? what's the point of locking if I can't edit it?
2017-04-28 01:02 <Ubit> yesss
2017-04-28 01:02 <Ubit> no edit and no move
2017-04-28 01:02 <Ubit> so you don't acidentally edit it editing other things
2017-04-28 01:02 <diva_> so it disabls eveything?
2017-04-28 01:03 <diva_> interesting. I never used it
2017-04-28 01:03 <Ubit> yes
2017-04-28 01:03 <Ubit> must be cleared moving offword, into inventories.. ( or on rez )
2017-04-28 01:04 <diva_> ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that the most problematic issues with permissions, the ones that Melanie goes balistic, are the next owner permissions. Is this right?
2017-04-28 01:05 <Ubit> the owner change are critical
2017-04-28 01:05 <Ubit> bc of comerce etc
2017-04-28 01:05 <diva_> and thats where that last bug exists, right?
2017-04-28 01:06 <Ubit> ie bugs with potencial economical impact
2017-04-28 01:06 <diva_> ok, great, so that's what I'm going to focus my limited cycles
2017-04-28 01:06 <Ubit> others.. well are just bugs ;)
2017-04-28 01:07 <diva_> yep
2017-04-28 01:07 <diva_> ok. I'm creating the test items now
2017-04-28 01:07 <diva_> I'll need "vendors" 
2017-04-28 01:37 <Plugh> diva_: The testing is making sure that the perms on an item are neither more and often, no less, than the object creator intended the object to have when the item was in the hands of another avatar
2017-04-28 12:23 <jakdaniels> hey Ubit, any chance of replacing the ODE libs so that I can use ubODE without having to manually replace the files on each of my servers after a git pull? thanks :)
2017-04-28 14:31 <djphil_> Can anyone tell me something about this error essage?
2017-04-28 14:31 <djphil_> 15:47:37 - [AUTO BACKUP]: Code-up error: timerMap does not contain timer System.Timers.Timer
2017-04-28 14:36 <Ubit> you do find odd things :p
2017-04-28 14:36 <djphil_> Hmmm yeah maybee
2017-04-28 14:37 <djphil_> But it does not come out of my imagination
2017-04-28 14:37 <Ubit> if u say so :p
2017-04-28 14:37 <djphil_> He is on the console :p
2017-04-28 14:38 <djphil_> It is random
2017-04-28 14:38 <djphil_> but he is!
2017-04-28 14:41 <Ubit> what a odd code
2017-04-28 14:42 <djphil_> what that ?
2017-04-28 14:42 <Ubit> that timemap thing
2017-04-28 14:43 <Ubit> one region on instance or more?
2017-04-28 14:44 <djphil_> 1 simu with 9 regions
2017-04-28 14:44 <djphil_> attached to osgrid
2017-04-28 14:44 <Ubit> well this is losing track of the timers somehow
2017-04-28 14:45 <djphil_> A time leak!
2017-04-28 14:46 <djphil_> but you are Dr Who :p
2017-04-28 14:46 <Ubit> :p
2017-04-28 15:50 <osmantis> Bug #8157:04 [AUTO BACKUP] Code error timerMap does not contain a System.Timers.Timer timer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8157 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2017-04-28 16:00 <Ubit> ty
2017-04-28 16:02 <djphil> ;)
2017-04-28 16:29 <diva_> I found a bug in permissions already
2017-04-28 16:29 <diva_> the perms that are shown in inventory. The actual perms seem to be ok
2017-04-28 16:29 <Ubit> ?
2017-04-28 16:29 <diva_> 1 sec, let me finish this cycle and I'll show you
2017-04-28 16:30 <Ubit> ok
2017-04-28 16:35 <diva_> Ubit, I'm writing the testing specs here: https://github.com/diva/diva-distribution/wiki/OpenSim-Permissions-Tests
2017-04-28 16:35 <diva_> and the very first assertion is failing
2017-04-28 16:35 <diva_> Note that I started with the single object tests
2017-04-28 16:37 <diva_> I'm going to continue with Box CT
2017-04-28 16:37 <Ubit> what where base permissions of the box?
2017-04-28 16:37 <diva_> Just C
2017-04-28 16:38 <diva_> Copy
2017-04-28 16:38 <diva_> I mean
2017-04-28 16:38 <diva_> bext owner
2017-04-28 16:38 <diva_> next
2017-04-28 16:38 <Ubit> hmm odd i see fine
2017-04-28 16:39 <diva_> which viewer?
2017-04-28 16:39 <Ubit> fs
2017-04-28 16:39 <diva_> let me try
2017-04-28 16:39 <Ubit> can log at osgrid?
2017-04-28 16:41 <diva_> create an object from scratch
2017-04-28 16:42 <diva_> also I'm suing opensim master of 2 days ago
2017-04-28 16:42 <diva_> using
2017-04-28 16:42 <Ubit> just did, next owner C and not transfer
2017-04-28 16:42 <diva_> it should say
2017-04-28 16:43 <diva_> no modify no transfer
2017-04-28 16:43 <diva_> I'll add that clarification to my script
2017-04-28 16:43 <Ubit> gave to alt,  see in inventory  (no transfer) edit proprieties and also fine
2017-04-28 16:43 <diva_> it should say (no modify)(no transfer)
2017-04-28 16:43 <Ubit> yes no mod also
2017-04-28 16:43 <diva_> if it says just (no transfer) that's wrong
2017-04-28 16:44 <Ubit> yeap, but its no mod also
2017-04-28 16:44 <diva_> for me it says it can modify. But when I rez it, I can't, which is fine. It's the perms shown in inventory that are wrong
2017-04-28 16:45 <Ubit> oh yes mod rights on inventory
2017-04-28 16:45 <diva_> see there you go. I think this is a bug
2017-04-28 16:45 <diva_> it may have something to do with the slam bit thing
2017-04-28 16:46 <diva_> because when I rez it and take it back it's correct
2017-04-28 16:46 <diva_> if you want, do the test entirely, and you'll see
2017-04-28 16:47 <diva_> I'm moving on to the CT test
2017-04-28 16:49 <diva_> btw, this bug may have been here for a long time. This has confused me before
2017-04-28 16:49 <Ubit> think so
2017-04-28 16:53 <diva_> Again, first assertion fails
2017-04-28 17:00 <djphil> Can someone tell me if this is normal or not?
2017-04-28 17:01 <djphil> Https://pastebin.com/pmaGiPdb
2017-04-28 17:01 <djphil> It seems memory leak ...
2017-04-28 17:05 <diva_> Ubit_ MC box shows up ok in inventory (no transfer)
2017-04-28 17:07 <diva_> the MC box tests are all good
2017-04-28 17:07 <diva_> *assertions
2017-04-28 17:08 <YouCanDolT> this ok now? land owners and managers when rez objects with restricted perms in location the manage - they have more perms than should. I understand that they can move things and return but not mod. 
2017-04-28 17:11 <jakdaniels> djphil: PC2 is standalone so will be running more code and processes (think that it has it's own internal inventory service) than PC1 which is connected to grid
2017-04-28 17:12 <jakdaniels> that's just my thoughts about it... I may be wrong...
2017-04-28 17:14 <djphil> yeah maybee ...
2017-04-28 17:57 <djphil> It does not seem to be that
2017-04-28 17:57 <djphil> jakdanielsI just configured region atachée to osgrid on PC 2 and I see memory usage also in red (+/- 900Mb used)
2017-04-28 17:57 <djphil> attached*
2017-04-28 17:58 <djphil> and this have only one region / simulator, not 9 !!!
2017-04-28 18:15 <jakdaniels> djphil... maybe is a win10 difference, or 64bits .NET runtime.... there are too many different things to know... you are comparing apples with pears ;)
2017-04-28 18:16 <osmantis> Bug #8158:04 [MEMORY] memory leak or normal behavior 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8158 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2017-04-28 18:18 <jakdaniels> try swapping the two opensim instances over PC1->PC2 PC2->PC1 etc.... see how they react on win7 32bit vs win10 64bit. Because win10 PC has 32GB maybe .NET garbage collect works different... more stuff is cached... difficult to tell
2017-04-28 18:18 <djphil> Just I do not find normal a much more powerful PC uses much more memory for an identical region ...
2017-04-28 18:19 <Ubit> gc works a need to  basis
2017-04-28 18:19 <jakdaniels> region contents maybe the same, but the way .NET uses the memory may not be
2017-04-28 18:19 <Ubit> more free mem. more lazy
2017-04-28 18:20 <Ubit> also 64b uses more memory for same thing
2017-04-28 18:21 <djphil> Precisely this is my question ... Is this a normal car and a more memory available or maybe. NET uses more memory in 64Bits ... I do not know and this is my questioning
2017-04-28 18:21 <Ubit> on pcs2 console  try force gs a few times
2017-04-28 18:21 <djphil> i see approximatively 4x more memory used Ubit
2017-04-28 18:21 <djphil> This is normal ?
2017-04-28 18:21 <Ubit> seems a lot..
2017-04-28 18:21 <djphil> what is "gs" ?
2017-04-28 18:22 <Ubit> gc
2017-04-28 18:22 <Ubit> type force gc
2017-04-28 18:22 <djphil> I also find it is "a lot" :p
2017-04-28 18:23 <Ubit> well same opensim version no?
2017-04-28 18:23 <djphil> no, not exactly
2017-04-28 18:23 <djphil> on PC 2 is a luttle bit old
2017-04-28 18:23 <djphil> little*
2017-04-28 18:24 <djphil> let me see
2017-04-28 18:24 <djphil> is a osgrid release
2017-04-28 18:24 <djphil> v0.9.1.01700696
2017-04-28 18:24 <djphil> so is 0.9 ...
2017-04-28 18:24 <Ubit> well to compare, this need to be identical
2017-04-28 18:24 <Ubit> things
2017-04-28 18:25 <djphil> oki ;)
2017-04-28 18:42 <djphil> So, i did the update of the simulator
2017-04-28 18:42 <djphil> PC1 and PC2 now use the same simulator version
2017-04-28 18:42 <djphil> Osgrid-opensim-01222017.v0.9.1.c673ef7.zip
2017-04-28 18:42 <djphil> Now memory usage on PC 2 (attached to OSGrid) is +/- 600Mb
2017-04-28 18:42 <djphil> http://imgur.com/a/wCY9o
2017-04-28 18:42 <djphil> It's already a little better ...
2017-04-28 18:42 <djphil> approximatively 2x more now
2017-04-28 18:48 <osmantis> Bug #8158:04 [MEMORY] memory leak or normal behavior 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8158 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-04-28 19:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #5436 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-04-28 19:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few changes to permissions folding... we are testing. at this point only use master for TESTING also
2017-04-28 19:11 <Ubit> ohh i was expecing a fight
2017-04-28 19:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #5437 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-04-28 19:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: forgot a change...
2017-04-28 19:33 <Ubit> is pc2 now taking all the 32G djphil ?
2017-04-28 19:48 <djphil> No, pc2 use +/- 600Mb now Ubit
2017-04-28 19:49 <djphil> It seems a little better now
2017-04-28 19:49 <djphil> i know TErrainMeshMaginification use a lot of memory
2017-04-28 19:49 <djphil> But i set it to 1 on Both
2017-04-28 19:50 <djphil> Note: PC2 have never used all 32G :p
2017-04-28 22:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #5438 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-04-28 22:08 <Ubit> permissions..not permitions
2017-04-28 22:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5438: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5438/
2017-04-28 22:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: BuySell: bug fix, use all object permitions for sold item, and not the operation rights one
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2017-04-29 01:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix chain of contents sells
2017-04-29 02:16 <diva_> great, it works
2017-04-29 02:17 <diva_> hmm
2017-04-29 15:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #5440 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-04-29 16:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add check for valid folded perms
2017-04-29 18:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #5441 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-04-29 18:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  recover PermissionsUtil.ApplyFoldedPermissions (well my version). its use easys code readability
2017-04-29 20:58 <osmantis> Bug #8158:04 [MEMORY] memory leak or normal behavior 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8158 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-04-29 21:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  update folded permitions if taking from world, or after unfold
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2017-04-29 22:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: buysell: fix permissions masks hierachy
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2017-04-29 23:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: nore permissions masks hierachy
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2017-04-29 23:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: don't break groups permission mask
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2017-04-30 11:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix new landmarks default permissions
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2017-04-30 11:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: exclude lms from permissions checks. They are full rights, and broken on all dbs
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2017-04-30 12:28 <osjenkins> melanie: Add a missing viewer-relevant message to the perms module
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2017-04-30 13:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove a redundant operation
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2017-04-30 13:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: save some nanoseconds if unfolding will not change anything ( export default mks it rare, but looks nice)
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2017-04-30 13:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: having the file open then let PermissionsToString know about Export
2017-04-30 15:33 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-04-30 18:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Permissions compatibility hack 1: anyone copy - new permissions require that all items in all object parts contents have anyone copy set. Old code only required it on object. This hack tries to allow objects older than today to still work as before on this. (this is a test, we may need to change it)
2017-04-30 18:57 <Ubit>  Bug #666: description: Your cow is broken. The milk is difficult to extract and tastes funny.
2017-04-30 18:57 <Ubit> Issue status, resolved: This behavior is by design. The "cow" is a bull
2017-04-30 18:57 <Ubit> [11:57] Ubit Umarov: lol
2017-04-30 20:50 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-05-01 13:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: rename sog.GetEffectivePermissions() since its use is now limited to more specific task, and no longer on current effective(full) path. Note that change ownermask start to be current ownermask, and filter it to all parts basemask
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2017-05-01 13:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: buysell: make sure we dont buy child parts, dont mess with absolute position its useless with variable size regions, and its a rezing job
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2017-05-01 17:11 <Ubit> welcome ex-guest :)
2017-05-01 17:12 <diva_> :)
2017-05-01 17:12 <diva_> someone registered the name"diva" so now I always end up woth diva_ as my first name, and then things go bad from there...
2017-05-01 17:12 <Ubit> oh :(
2017-05-01 17:13 <diva_> Ubit, I think I can do all the perms tests in this test suite. And more. We can actually test a lot of things
2017-05-01 17:13 <Ubit> nice
2017-05-01 17:14 <diva_> what I just pushed works. It succeeds in current master, and fails in the master of 3 days ago
2017-05-01 17:14 <diva_> it just has the basic direct transfer tests I started with
2017-05-01 17:14 <diva_> but I'll add more
2017-05-01 17:15 <diva_> I'm getting a hang of how to create complex test scenes programmatically
2017-05-01 17:15 <Ubit> :)
2017-05-01 17:15 <diva_> gotta go now
2017-05-01 17:15 <Ubit> the others where done by justin mainly no�
2017-05-01 17:15 <Ubit> ?
2017-05-01 17:15 <diva_> yes
2017-05-01 17:16 <Ubit> ok
2017-05-01 17:16 <Ubit> have fun :)
2017-05-01 17:16 <diva_> as opensim stabilizes, it's start to write some tests...
2017-05-01 17:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5455: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5455/
2017-05-01 17:16 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Add Permission tests project
2017-05-01 17:16 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Initial commit of the emerging test suite for permissions and more.
2017-05-01 17:16 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Perms test framework: make a lot of things more generic.
2017-05-01 17:16 <Ubit> hmm opensim/stabilty..  some contraction on that ;)
2017-05-01 17:17 <diva_> (this test suite doesn't actually run yet in jenkins)
2017-05-01 17:17 <Ubit> ok
2017-05-01 17:22 <Ubit> ...
2017-05-01 17:22 <Ubit> Inv Box C (02): Owner: FoldedCopy, Copy, Move; Group: None; Everyone: None; Next: Copy, Move
2017-05-01 17:22 <Ubit> SOG Box C (02): Owner: Copy, Move; Group: None; Everyone: None; Next: Copy, Move
2017-05-01 17:22 <Ubit> 2017-05-01 18:22:01,698 [INVENTORY TRANSFER]: (giving) Inserting item b224377b-ba54-4d07-b9e9-40d2c63d6768 into agent 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000002's inventory
2017-05-01 17:22 <Ubit> ...
2017-05-01 17:23 <Ubit> hmm
2017-05-01 17:23 <Ubit> System.AppDomainUnloadedException: Attempted to access an unloaded AppDomain. This can happen if the test(s) started a thread but did not stop it. Make sure that all the threads started by the test(s) are stopped before completion
2017-05-01 17:23 <Ubit> but worked
2017-05-01 17:23 <Ubit> Run test finished: 1 run
2017-05-01 17:24 <Ubit> 1 test passed :)
2017-05-01 17:33 <misterblue> I always wanted physics tests... it would help resolving differences between Ubit and me :)
2017-05-01 17:38 <Ubit> dream :p
2017-05-01 17:38 <Ubit> those you need to get a helmet and crash :)
2017-05-01 17:39 <Ubit> seen the mails on users mail list ?
2017-05-01 17:40 <Ubit> about vehicle_hover
2017-05-01 17:43 <Ubit> think that ubOde you can edit terrain and a terrain_only  will follow it alone
2017-05-01 17:43 <Ubit> but only tested region water level on boats..
2017-05-01 17:43 <Ubit> slow tide motion scripts should work on a sailing boat
2017-05-01 17:45 <Ubit> coindence yesterday someone did called me at osg bec such a script was crashing ode and bullet
2017-05-01 17:45 <Ubit> no idea why.. worked fine on ubode
2017-05-01 17:46 <Ubit> ( and don't ask why anyone wants to leave active simulation boats alone on a region ;) )
2017-05-01 17:46 <Ubit> but its not to us to ask.. just mk work ;)
2017-05-01 17:50 <misterblue> boat physics is especially complex... righting itself properly when moving and turning... it's like the stuff for motercycles
2017-05-01 17:50 <Ubit> yeap lots of script control
2017-05-01 17:50 <Ubit> well some
2017-05-01 17:51 <misterblue> and the only 'correct' test is 'like SL does it'
2017-05-01 17:51 <Ubit> i did spent sometime at avn with a boats builder some ages ago
2017-05-01 17:51 <Ubit> well think we do better than sl now
2017-05-01 17:52 <Ubit> they took cpu out of physics
2017-05-01 17:52 <misterblue> that's one area in BulletSIm that I know needs work
2017-05-01 17:52 <Ubit> uff all physics need more work
2017-05-01 17:53 <misterblue> I guess I should start copying some code from ubODE ;-)
2017-05-01 17:53 <Ubit> it is a way yes :)
2017-05-01 17:53 <Ubit> in some areas you did use old ode as reference no?
2017-05-01 17:53 <misterblue> very much so... that was the starting point
2017-05-01 17:54 <Ubit> well and doing that you review my bugs and fix :p
2017-05-01 17:54 <Ubit> well im having a fight with the damm sleepers
2017-05-01 17:54 <Ubit> still damm bad
2017-05-01 17:54 <misterblue> I've dreamt of pulling the vehicle stuff out of the physics engine proper... vehicle model simulation should be common to the physics engines
2017-05-01 17:55 <Ubit> we do most of it at c#...
2017-05-01 17:55 <misterblue> and then introducing new vehicle models (and script functions) would be easier
2017-05-01 17:56 <misterblue> yes... it would probably take some new internalish functions to the physics engines proper... but most of the vehicle logic could be pulled out since it is in C#
2017-05-01 17:57 <misterblue> would then meet with the sailboat people, find out exactly what they want, and make them a special vehicle type that does just that
2017-05-01 17:57 <Ubit> never mind :P
2017-05-01 17:58 <Ubit> if u want to look now, just look to that hover thing
2017-05-01 17:58 <misterblue> you're looking at code and seeing how impossible that would be?
2017-05-01 17:59 <Ubit> only went look to code to remember how im dealing with water_only and terrain_only set at same time :)
2017-05-01 17:59 <Ubit> and hover_global... spec allows all 3 set
2017-05-01 18:00 <Ubit> and sl says it will smoke LOL
2017-05-01 18:01 <Ubit> but many scripts mb not know then they set vehicle_type ballon, get a water_only set
2017-05-01 18:01 <Ubit> oops boat, not ballon
2017-05-01 18:02 <Ubit> hmm now that i think possible that was yesterday issue
2017-05-01 18:02 <Ubit> the script did set boat, then hover_global
2017-05-01 18:02 <Ubit> does bullet smoke with both set?
2017-05-01 18:02 <misterblue> that's the main justification for tests... you have to go through all the combinations and make decisions on what is correct... just like you, diva, and mel are doing with permissions
2017-05-01 18:03 <misterblue> I have no idea... probably just does something unexpected 
2017-05-01 18:03 <Ubit> hmm i old time folk..  physics, get a helmet and crash as i said :)
2017-05-01 18:06 <Ubit> but well possible can
2017-05-01 18:06 <Ubit> do a physics action.. and s seconds later the thing needs to be there with that omega and v
2017-05-01 18:07 <misterblue> I started some physics tests in the testing framework
2017-05-01 18:07 <misterblue> how is diva integrating her tests... is it a console command?
2017-05-01 18:07 <Ubit> no its null nunit
2017-05-01 18:08 <misterblue> so it gets run when the system is compiled?
2017-05-01 18:08 <Ubit> at least i just pulled, did premake and VS Nunit plugin saw them
2017-05-01 18:08 <Ubit> NUnit VS Adapter 2.1.1.0 executing tests is finished
2017-05-01 18:09 <Ubit> ( vs 2015 here )
2017-05-01 18:10 <Ubit> hmm if i remember vs sees a more recent NUnit adapter..  but didn't work
2017-05-01 18:11 <misterblue> I'm  trying out VS2017... it really exercises my disk 
2017-05-01 18:11 <Ubit> i still didn't dare testing it
2017-05-01 18:12 <Ubit> yeap there is a NUnit 3 test adapter.. i instaled it first.. failed
2017-05-01 18:13 <Ubit> have it disabled.. and use NUnit 2 on this
2017-05-01 18:14 <Ubit> ( well only look when jenkis fights me and i don't see why only looking to source ;) )
2017-05-01 18:16 <Ubit> but while in LSL  we can still use SL as reference, not that sure on physics
2017-05-01 18:16 <Ubit> ( and SLS excluding "experiences .. "
2017-05-01 18:16 <Ubit> sls? :)
2017-05-01 18:19 <Ubit> hmm shared vehicle code as issue.. threading
2017-05-01 18:19 <Ubit> not the same on bullet and ubOde
2017-05-01 18:19 <misterblue> it would be nice to run the same tests against SL to verify that we're doing things the same as them... but I couldn't think of a way to feasibly do that
2017-05-01 18:19 <Ubit> not anymore.. there things.. well move..
2017-05-01 18:20 <Ubit> rotations stop still with high omega, etc
2017-05-01 18:20 <misterblue> really? in BulletSim, before each simuation tick it computes vehicle movement
2017-05-01 18:20 <misterblue> well, I guess that BulletSim can run on its own thread...
2017-05-01 18:20 <Ubit> seems they took cpu out of physics as i said
2017-05-01 18:21 <Ubit> i could make ubode run on its threads
2017-05-01 18:21 <Ubit> thread
2017-05-01 18:21 <Ubit> just see no point  
2017-05-01 18:21 <misterblue> I added the NUnitV2 plugin to VS2017 and the Test Explorer only found the BulletSIm tests
2017-05-01 18:21 <Ubit> heartbeat is a nice thread for it
2017-05-01 18:22 <misterblue> going to have to look into how Diva decorated her tests
2017-05-01 18:22 <Ubit> hmm
2017-05-01 18:22 <Ubit> run prebuild ?
2017-05-01 18:22 <Ubit> and recompile all ?
2017-05-01 18:22 <Ubit> then scan for tests again ?
2017-05-01 18:25 <Ubit> hmm there was something else hmm
2017-05-01 18:25 <Ubit> btw justin did made a page about that
2017-05-01 18:26 <misterblue> sheesh... VS2017 is slow... I don't know what it's doing... 
2017-05-01 18:26 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Automated_Testing
2017-05-01 18:27 <misterblue> I see her code with "[TextFixture]"... but her's says "[Setup]" while mine says "[TextFixtureSetup]"... going to have to look into NUnit versions, etc
2017-05-01 18:28 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Debugging_Unit_Tests
2017-05-01 18:28 <misterblue> oh wait... I haven't found her controller 
2017-05-01 18:28 <velus> hey all this page http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Feature_Matrix is this upptodate?
2017-05-01 18:29 <Ubit> no
2017-05-01 18:29 <misterblue> that would be nice... 
2017-05-01 18:29 <misterblue> I need to run... bbl
2017-05-01 18:29 <Ubit> 3) Ensure that your projects have copy local enabled on all dependencies which are not in GAC. (Tests are executed in project bin/Debug folder) 
2017-05-01 18:30 <Ubit> u need to check this MB
2017-05-01 18:38 <Ubit> hmm i don't have a bin/Debug  and they still work
2017-05-01 19:47 <diva_> misterblue: this dll doesn't get run automatically in jenkis yet. You have to run it manually
2017-05-01 19:47 <diva_> just install junit and point it at the dll, and it will run
2017-05-01 19:48 <Ubit> he was trying on vs2017 
2017-05-01 19:48 <Ubit> on his box
2017-05-01 19:48 <Ubit> it did run fine on mine as i typed above
2017-05-01 19:48 <diva_> On Windows, I just double click on the dll, and junit starts
2017-05-01 19:49 <Ubit> ohh ?
2017-05-01 19:49 <Ubit> well ive nunit2 addon instaled
2017-05-01 19:49 <Ubit> just did premake, and your new test was there
2017-05-01 19:50 <diva_> I meant nunit
2017-05-01 19:51 <velus> where would i find out where the password checking is?
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2017-05-01 19:52 <Ubit> hmm what makes u think im going to tell u that?
2017-05-01 19:52 <Ubit> :p
2017-05-01 19:52 <velus> cos im working on something and need to know that bit
2017-05-01 19:52 <Ubit> was kidding ;)
2017-05-01 19:53 <velus> i know
2017-05-01 19:54 <velus> which file do i need to look at or do you know how it does it anyway
2017-05-01 19:55 <Ubit> llLoginService mb a start
2017-05-01 19:55 <velus> looked in it
2017-05-01 19:56 <Ubit> and passwordAuthenticationService?
2017-05-01 19:57 <velus> where is that
2017-05-01 19:57 <Ubit> services
2017-05-01 19:58 <Ubit> 
ACTION closes files bf noticing something to change

2017-05-01 19:59 <diva_> Ubit do you know what the entry function is for changing permissions in the properties tab of inventory items?
2017-05-01 19:59 <Ubit> hmm let me look
2017-05-01 20:00 <velus> diva_, how is the password checked
2017-05-01 20:01 <diva_> PasswordAuthenticationService
2017-05-01 20:02 <velus> where abouts in it?
2017-05-01 20:02 <diva_> Use Visutal Studio or Mono Develop to search code
2017-05-01 20:03 <velus> im installing vs now, but could this be it 
2017-05-01 20:04 <velus> it wont let me paste in here :(
2017-05-01 20:04 <diva_> Ubit, probably HandleUpdateTaskInventory, yes?
2017-05-01 20:05 <Ubit> that sounds on object contents
2017-05-01 20:05 <velus> diva is it (in php terms) md5($password.':'.$salt)4
2017-05-01 20:05 <velus> without the 4 at the end lol
2017-05-01 20:05 <diva_> something like that
2017-05-01 20:06 <Ubit> yeap that one is for items on prim contents diva
2017-05-01 20:06 <diva_> ok
2017-05-01 20:06 <diva_> so which one is it?
2017-05-01 20:07 <velus> has the checking changed recently? i know it used to be something that had 2 md5's
2017-05-01 20:08 <diva_> UpdateInventoryItem?
2017-05-01 20:08 <Ubit> sound more like
2017-05-01 20:09 <diva_> yep, that's it
2017-05-01 20:10 <diva_> which has a really bad name: UpdateInventoryItemAsset
2017-05-01 20:10 <Ubit> ohh i ignored that bc of the name
2017-05-01 20:11 <diva_> it's doing a lot more than just the asset...
2017-05-01 20:11 <Ubit> but it that is it
2017-05-01 20:13 <Ubit> it also handles transactions
2017-05-01 20:26 <velus> ok it seems i need to do md5(md5($password).':'.$salt')
2017-05-01 20:29 <Plugh> That looks like it. It hasn't changed.
2017-05-01 21:24 <misterblue> diva_, ubit: figured out my NUnit in VS problem... seems there is a difference whether the x86 or x64 arch is selected
2017-05-01 21:25 <misterblue> hidden away in test settings...
2017-05-01 21:25 <misterblue> so diva_'s test passes with NUnitv2 extension in VS2017 :)
2017-05-01 21:27 <diva_> cool
2017-05-01 21:45 <Ubit> :)
2017-05-01 21:46 <Ubit> hmm mine works both in x86 and x64
2017-05-01 21:46 <Ubit> but ms is killing x86 suport
2017-05-01 21:47 <Ubit> mine is 2015
2017-05-01 21:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #5456 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-05-01 22:03 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Permissions tests: added test with 2 direct transfers with permission changes in between (in inventory)
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2017-05-01 23:49 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Added some indirect transfer tests -- Take Copy by another avatar
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2017-05-01 23:55 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Shuffle some code around
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2017-05-02 10:33 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: save a few nanoseconds
2017-05-02 10:33 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  disable LSL http listener (llRequestURL/llRequestSecureURL) if ExternalHostNameForLSL is not set in cofiguration or does not resolve
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2017-05-02 10:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change opensim.ini.example setting of ExternalHostNameForLSL to a defualt
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2017-05-02 11:41 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
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2017-05-02 11:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix LSL_ApiHttpTests
2017-05-02 12:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #5462 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
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2017-05-02 12:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix some comments
2017-05-02 12:28 <osmantis> Bug #7697:04 OpenSim.ini.example [Network] ExternalHostNameForLSL default not very helpful. $BaseURL minus leading http:// might be better 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7697 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-02 14:07 <djphil> Hello!
2017-05-02 14:07 <djphil> For some time i have alerts with the concierge module
2017-05-02 14:07 <djphil> Is there any service disruption broker.place.com?
2017-05-02 14:07 <djphil> It still seems to be online ...
2017-05-02 14:07 <djphil> Warning is here: https://pastebin.com/Ey1Acs7M
2017-05-02 14:08 <djphil> It occurs at each connection of an avatar.
2017-05-02 14:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #5463 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-02 14:19 <Plugh> djphil: The error sounds like the way you communicate with that website may be different from what the module expects.
2017-05-02 14:19 <djphil> oki
2017-05-02 14:19 <djphil> but i have changed nothing
2017-05-02 14:20 <djphil> i'm using the same config from a long time ago ..
2017-05-02 14:20 <Plugh> The website might have changed. Where did you get the concierge module?
2017-05-02 14:20 <djphil> is a default module
2017-05-02 14:20 <djphil> just need to be actived
2017-05-02 14:20 <djphil> is desactived by default in OpenSimDefault.ini
2017-05-02 14:20 <Plugh> ok. I've never used it. What does it do?
2017-05-02 14:21 <djphil> it say a alert when a avater go in the region
2017-05-02 14:21 <djphil> sometyhing like this
2017-05-02 14:21 <djphil> "[07:02]  Info: dj phil enters Digital Concepts (now 2 visitors in this region)"
2017-05-02 14:21 <djphil> Info is the name of the concierge
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2017-05-02 14:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8135
2017-05-02 14:23 <osmantis> Bug #8135:04 llListen starts to fail after it is used > 720 times in temp rez objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8135 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-02 14:24 <djphil> here is the config i have from a long time : https://pastebin.com/ScP6XvqT
2017-05-02 14:24 <djphil> It has always worked well with this configuration.
2017-05-02 14:25 <djphil> That's why I thought maybe something has changed in the service ...
2017-05-02 14:25 <djphil> I do not know who manages this service  ... ?
2017-05-02 14:27 <Plugh> Isn't that just an example of the configuration? I would think you are expected to change the URL to a site you control.
2017-05-02 14:28 <djphil> no isn't only a exemple
2017-05-02 14:28 <djphil> It worked very well before
2017-05-02 14:30 <Plugh> If the module hasn't changed then the website probably has so you need to contact the person that runs the website.
2017-05-02 14:31 <djphil> i don't know the manager of this service ...
2017-05-02 14:31 <Plugh> The wiki says -> The broker feature will format an XML message and send it to the broker URL defined in your configuration.
2017-05-02 14:31 <djphil> yes
2017-05-02 14:32 <djphil> and ?
2017-05-02 14:33 <Plugh> That sounds to me like you are supposed to set it to a page you control. For example, you would set it to point to the site that has information about your event so you can have one of the pages automatically get updated to show who is attending the event.
2017-05-02 14:33 <djphil> no isn't
2017-05-02 14:33 <djphil> this is a valid url >>> http://broker.place.com/
2017-05-02 14:34 <Plugh> yes, but there is nothing there.
2017-05-02 14:34 <djphil> no
2017-05-02 14:34 <djphil> you have a blank page
2017-05-02 14:34 <djphil> this isn't nothing
2017-05-02 14:35 <Plugh> How do you access place.com to see the list of attendees?
2017-05-02 14:35 <djphil> As I said earlier, it always worked properly before
2017-05-02 14:35 <Plugh> It doesn't mean that the URL was really valid before.
2017-05-02 14:35 <djphil> Simply this is announced in chat
2017-05-02 14:36 <djphil> There is nothing to do, it alerts you simply when an avatar enters the region
2017-05-02 14:36 <Plugh> It would not require a URL to do that.
2017-05-02 14:36 <Plugh> yes, I was reading the web page about the module.
2017-05-02 14:38 <djphil> So I do not understand why now I have the alert message all the time when an avatar connects while before everything worked well.
2017-05-02 14:38 <djphil> For this reason I think something has changed and I am inquiring.
2017-05-02 14:40 <Ubit> coment out that line
2017-05-02 14:41 <djphil> the url you mean ?
2017-05-02 14:41 <Ubit> broker = "http://broker.place.com/{1}"
2017-05-02 14:41 <djphil> hmmm
2017-05-02 14:41 <Plugh> The concierge module configuration is only in the OSD.ini file. I doubt anyone has touched the module code in ages. The error messages you posted indicate to me that the website has changed.
2017-05-02 14:41 <djphil> oké
2017-05-02 14:42 <Plugh> djphil: -> Helper ScriptYou will need an external helper script in order to capture and act on the broker data.Have the script configured at the broker URL before starting your region, otherwise each avatar arriving will generate an error stack trace in red on your console when the broken URL is unreachable.
2017-05-02 14:42 <Ubit> and welcomes = /path/to/welcome/template/directory
2017-05-02 14:42 <Ubit> man those things need editing to use 
2017-05-02 14:43 <Plugh> that's to be expected.
2017-05-02 14:45 <djphil> Something new is planned for this concierge module?
2017-05-02 14:46 <Plugh> No that I know about. There are a list of feature requests for the module listed in the wiki page.
2017-05-02 14:46 <Ubit> no just preventing yr mistake :p
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2017-05-02 14:46 <djphil> brbrbrbrbbrr lol
2017-05-02 14:47 <Ubit> :)
2017-05-02 14:47 <djphil> ok tank you for help
2017-05-02 14:47 <djphil> i restart my simu now
2017-05-02 14:47 <djphil> to verify
2017-05-02 14:47 <Ubit> thx for making the mistake
2017-05-02 14:47 <Ubit> hihihiih
2017-05-02 14:47 <djphil> :p
2017-05-02 14:48 <Plugh> Isn't welcomes required?
2017-05-02 14:48 <Ubit> well not that path at least :)
2017-05-02 14:48 <djphil> i don't know i restart my sim now to see if it work or not
2017-05-02 14:48 <Plugh> No, not that path specifically.
2017-05-02 14:48 <Ubit> but no.. its optional
2017-05-02 14:49 <Plugh> With that commented it won't send any information to the avatars entering the region?
2017-05-02 14:49 <Ubit> ..  you can provide
2017-05-02 14:49 <Ubit>     ; (optionally) a welcome template
2017-05-02 14:49 <djphil> Until now the message has always been
2017-05-02 14:49 <djphil> "[07:02] Info: dj phil between Digital Concepts (now 2 visitors in this region"
2017-05-02 14:49 <djphil> But it can also be customized the more I have never customized
2017-05-02 14:50 <djphil> I did not even know that I had to have a personal php file
2017-05-02 14:50 <djphil> I had never needed this before
2017-05-02 14:50 <Ubit> hmm
2017-05-02 14:51 <Ubit> grrr
2017-05-02 14:51 <djphil> Perhaps it would be necessary to improve the explanations in the file OSD.ini if now it is necessary to proceed otherwise
2017-05-02 14:51 <Plugh> djphil: no, and you still don't need it. You just had the module sending information to some random site.
2017-05-02 14:51 <Plugh> Ubit: uh oh. What happened now?
2017-05-02 14:51 <Plugh> That concierge module could be useful for the OSCC.
2017-05-02 14:51 <djphil> At random sites? I do not understand ...
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2017-05-02 14:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: coment out optional fields that should be edited and uncomented if needed
2017-05-02 14:52 <Ubit> what  did it show?
2017-05-02 14:52 <Plugh> djphil: Not random random. You have just been having that module send data to a website you don't control.
2017-05-02 14:53 <Ubit> ahh ok forget.. it is optional
2017-05-02 14:53 <djphil> :) already better
2017-05-02 14:53 <Ubit> hmm i need to find some food.. bbl
2017-05-02 14:53 <djphil> happy footing :p
2017-05-02 14:54 <djphil> Plugh :I'm not worried about it, but I try to understand what I'm told
2017-05-02 14:55 <djphil> oops
2017-05-02 14:55 <djphil> what you're telling me*
2017-05-02 14:56 <djphil> ok cool no alert :)
2017-05-02 14:56 <djphil> and working !!!
2017-05-02 14:56 <djphil> tyvm
2017-05-02 14:56 <djphil> now profils, search and groups :p
2017-05-02 14:56 <djphil> hehe
2017-05-02 15:00 <djphil> i recieve some strange message from the datasnapshot and i don't know if the message is valid or not
2017-05-02 15:00 <djphil> for exemple this one "[DATASNAPSHOT]: Generated fragment response for provider type ObjectSnapshot"
2017-05-02 15:01 <djphil> it say generate "fragment" response
2017-05-02 15:01 <djphil> that strange ...
2017-05-02 15:02 <djphil> It is also a new message that I have not yet seen before ...
2017-05-02 15:29 <Plugh> oh, good. I think I've gotten xmlrpc groups working using mysqli. 
2017-05-02 15:29 <Ubit> profile.. search? / me pushs Plugh in front of him
2017-05-02 15:30 <Plugh> Turns out the problem was in how the request data was being received.
2017-05-02 15:30 <Plugh> 
ACTION steps out of the way  

2017-05-02 15:30 <Plugh> :)
2017-05-02 15:31 <djphil> i have tested mine (group mysqli) and i found error. I remember you say you have some error on your too
2017-05-02 15:31 <djphil> and not easy to fix ...
2017-05-02 15:32 <Plugh> I'm not sure why I need to do this but I fixed the red text issues I was having by doing 
2017-05-02 15:32 <Plugh> $request_xml = file_get_contents("php://input");
2017-05-02 15:32 <Plugh> then $GLOBALS['HTTP_RAW_POST_DATA'] = $request_xml;
2017-05-02 15:32 <Plugh> After that my copy of phpxmlrpc groups is working. At least to the extent that I have tested it so far which isn't far.
2017-05-02 15:33 <djphil> ha oki, good to know. I will try that on mine then
2017-05-02 15:33 <djphil> maybee if i have chance :)
2017-05-02 15:34 <djphil> Unfortunately I do not have time to do this today
2017-05-02 15:37 <Plugh> D'oh! For some reason I forced a variable to 0 so it tried to use $GLOBALS to get the values.
2017-05-02 15:37 <Plugh> Wow. I did that back in oct 22, 2013
2017-05-02 15:38 <djphil> Ubit : For profile there is something wrong with the first record, after that it seems to work correctly.
2017-05-02 15:38 <djphil> Ubit : For search it is for example data exposure to "all" which seems to no longer work
2017-05-02 15:39 <djphil> ... and other little things reported on github of kcozens
2017-05-02 15:39 <Plugh> Good. I don't need that workaround any more.
2017-05-02 15:39 <djphil> hmm?
2017-05-02 15:40 <Plugh> Those two lines I pasted here earlier aren't needed.
2017-05-02 15:40 <djphil> ha oki
2017-05-02 15:40 <Plugh> parser.php parses all data provided by the datasnapshot module. If there is data missing there isn't anything the search module can do about it. The other module would need to be fixed.
2017-05-02 15:41 <djphil> the my probeme with groups is elsewhere ^^
2017-05-02 15:41 <Plugh> Your first step is look at what data is retrieved by parser.php to see if it is showing you what you expect to see
2017-05-02 15:41 <djphil> What other module?
2017-05-02 15:41 <Plugh> Datasnapshot. 
2017-05-02 15:42 <djphil> ha oki
2017-05-02 15:42 <djphil> yeah maybbee need to be fixed ...
2017-05-02 15:42 <djphil> i do'nt know
2017-05-02 15:42 <djphil> i have just set to "all" to make some tests
2017-05-02 15:43 <djphil> and then I found that it did not work
2017-05-02 16:04 <Plugh> djphil: What exactly is wrong with the first record in profile?
2017-05-02 16:07 <djphil> Back
2017-05-02 16:07 <djphil> Well, when I want to change the 2nd Life profile image for example, it does not change, it does not save.  If I interchange with the old mysql file, then it saves
2017-05-02 16:07 <djphil> Then I can use the pdo ... but not before
2017-05-02 16:08 <djphil> that the principal problem i have with the profile module
2017-05-02 16:09 <djphil> I have tried to give you a detailed report of this
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2017-05-02 19:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: recover a lost trim in permissions modules names parsing
2017-05-02 20:52 <Ubit> LOL lost anothet prim with group deed
2017-05-02 20:52 <Ubit> at sl
2017-05-02 20:53 <Ubit> well not the prim.. rights on it
2017-05-02 20:59 <Ubit> ohh crap and i did it again on 91
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2017-05-02 22:59 <osmantis> Bug #8159:04 Permissions changes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8159 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-05-02 23:33 <diva_> Ubit, send an email to -dev. No one reads mantos...
2017-05-03 00:02 <osmantis> Bug #8159:04 Permissions changes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8159 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-05-03 00:02 <Ubit> yeack
2017-05-03 00:04 <osmantis> Bug #8159:04 Permissions changes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8159 ): has been UPDATED.
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2017-05-03 04:54 <osmantis> Bug #8159:04 Permissions changes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8159 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-03 05:17 <osmantis> Bug #8159:04 Permissions changes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8159 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-03 05:33 <osmantis> Bug #8159:04 Permissions changes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8159 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-03 13:34 <osmantis> Bug #8158:04 [MEMORY] memory leak or normal behavior 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8158 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-05-03 14:23 <Ubit> Damm wrong branch
2017-05-03 14:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #5466 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-05-03 14:40 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: recover a lost trim in permissions modules names parsing
2017-05-03 14:40 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: viewer can't tell if a taskitem is group owned if we don't tell him;  missing taskInv serial update
2017-05-03 15:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #5467 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-03 15:07 <osmantis> Bug #8159:04 Permissions changes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8159 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-05-03 15:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  change taskInventory copy/move to agents inventory rules
2017-05-03 16:22 <osmantis> Bug #8159:04 Permissions changes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8159 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-03 17:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #5468 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-05-03 17:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  taskitem group owned information was still incorrect
2017-05-03 18:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #5469 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-05-03 18:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: still another missing conversion btw viewer and OS on groupd owned
2017-05-03 18:17 <osmantis> Bug #8158:04 [MEMORY] memory leak or normal behavior 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8158 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-03 18:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #5470 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-05-03 18:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix right to change permissions of group owned taskitems
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2017-05-03 20:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix right to change permissions of group owned objects
2017-05-03 22:27 <diva_> hmm groups is broken
2017-05-03 22:48 <diva_> Ubut why did you change groups at all? Was there any code that came from AVN regarding groups?
2017-05-03 22:48 <diva_> *Ubit
2017-05-03 22:53 <diva_> I'm very confused Ubit
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2017-05-04 00:11 <zadark> woops
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2017-05-04 08:25 <Ubit> grrrr my chair to keyboad interface lost the email subject
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2017-05-04 10:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  move deep effective permissions aggregation to first time use and not on changes. There flag it is need with InvalidateDeepEffectivePerms(). Add config options PropagateGroupShareOutwards and PropagateAnyOneOutwards
2017-05-04 10:43 <Ubit> of course 
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2017-05-04 11:09 <Melanie_T> Ubit: does outwards mean HG?
2017-05-04 11:09 <Melanie_T> and if yes, what is the idea behind that?
2017-05-04 11:10 <Ubit> no no..  from inside task inventories. out to object
2017-05-04 11:10 <Ubit> see ?
2017-05-04 11:10 <Melanie_T> you mean, if it's set to anyone can copy, false means the rezzed item isn't anyone copy
2017-05-04 11:10 <Melanie_T> and true means it is?
2017-05-04 11:11 <Melanie_T> and what does SL do in this case/
2017-05-04 11:11 <Ubit> if false the taskInv set is ignored on the object like old versions did
2017-05-04 11:11 <Melanie_T> ?
2017-05-04 11:12 <Ubit> if true.. all  contents need to have anyone copy set for take copy ro work 
2017-05-04 11:12 <Ubit> see?
2017-05-04 11:12 <Melanie_T> aahhh
2017-05-04 11:12 <Melanie_T> it's not propagation in the sense it hought you meant it
2017-05-04 11:12 <Ubit> yes its this one
2017-05-04 11:12 <Ubit> mb im using bad words again...
2017-05-04 11:12 <Melanie_T> can you check the SL case for those permutations, so we can set new defaults to default to what SL does?
2017-05-04 11:13 <Ubit> you can all if u like of course
2017-05-04 11:13 <Ubit> yes sl  does as i did now
2017-05-04 11:13 <Melanie_T> ok
2017-05-04 11:13 <Ubit> well on the things i tested
2017-05-04 11:13 <Melanie_T> maybe test more :)
2017-05-04 11:13 <Melanie_T> ok, i won't keep you
2017-05-04 11:13 <Ubit> sure :)
2017-05-04 11:13 <Melanie_T> off to ride my motorbike for a bit, son's out
2017-05-04 11:14 <Melanie_T> sun*
2017-05-04 11:14 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
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2017-05-04 11:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  do the same in the cases we are just moving parts around and not changing their caches (ie their taskInventory)
2017-05-04 11:14 <Ubit> have fun :)
2017-05-04 11:30 <Ubit> well those options are a bad ideia.. whould and problem last for ever
2017-05-04 11:30 <Ubit> removing them
2017-05-04 11:30 <Ubit> (would)
2017-05-04 11:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #5474 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
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2017-05-04 11:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  the new options i add where actually bad idea, they would make the
2017-05-04 11:57 <Ubit> FLOOD
2017-05-04 15:16 <diva_> Ubit ping
2017-05-04 17:50 <osmantis> Bug #8159:04 Permissions changes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8159 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-04 18:03 <diva_> Melanie_ by changing the tables by default to InnoDB, we are imposing a lower bar on MySQL 5.6. Just an FYI. Not sure if thi is a problem
2017-05-04 18:03 <Melanie_T> what do you mean by that?
2017-05-04 18:04 <Melanie_T> it's not  like MyISAM is going away, or is it?
2017-05-04 18:04 <Melanie_T> But no matter, it's beneficial to use InnoDB
2017-05-04 18:04 <diva_> at least some groups table uses full text column as the primary key. It looks like that is supported in Inno only since 5.6
2017-05-04 18:04 <Melanie_T> especially because all clustered, live-back-upped, replicated or cloud systems only work with inno anyway
2017-05-04 18:05 <diva_> I just ran in to this because my  mySQL here on my machine is 5.5
2017-05-04 18:05 <Melanie_T> well, i don't know about that
2017-05-04 18:05 <Melanie_T> I still run my original private groups modules onthe grids i work with
2017-05-04 18:06 <diva_> I don't know what's going on but the table creation for groups is failing
2017-05-04 18:06 <diva_> on mysql 5.5
2017-05-04 18:06 <diva_> the error message is scrambled, but it mentions FULLTEXT not being supported
2017-05-04 18:07 <Melanie_T> yes that used to be a myisqm only function
2017-05-04 18:08 <Melanie_T> myisam*
2017-05-04 18:08 <diva_> let me switch that one table to see what happens
2017-05-04 18:09 <diva_> hmm, no, it's more than just that one table
2017-05-04 18:11 <diva_> oh
2017-05-04 18:11 <diva_> I was looking at the wrong table
2017-05-04 18:11 <diva_> it's the first table that's causing problems
2017-05-04 18:19 <nebadon_pi> I sort of remember this happening before
2017-05-04 18:20 <nebadon_pi> i vaguely recall it depended upon what your mysql default settings were
2017-05-04 18:20 <nebadon_pi> seemed that some versions of mysql defaults varied from platform to platform
2017-05-04 18:20 <nebadon_pi> stuff like UTF8 vs Latin1
2017-05-04 18:21 <nebadon_pi> and myisam vs inno if your .sql didnt specify what to use
2017-05-04 18:21 <nebadon_pi> it would assume whatever the default setting was
2017-05-04 18:21 <nebadon_pi> and thus fail sometimes for people
2017-05-04 18:54 <Ubit> Yeackk facebook found my ex-wife and wants her back.. scary idea
2017-05-04 18:54 <Ubit> wants.. us...
2017-05-04 18:54 <nebadon_pi> lol
2017-05-04 18:55 <MarcusLlewellyn> You clearly have so much in common though. >:)
2017-05-04 18:56 <Ubit> and that on a  acount with no info about me
2017-05-04 18:56 <Ubit> the damm thing does dig a lot
2017-05-04 19:02 <osmantis> Bug #8159:04 Permissions changes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8159 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-04 19:09 <diva_> ok, Melanie_ so it's really that one table os_groups_groups. I still have servers that use mySQL 5.5
2017-05-04 19:10 <diva_> so I'm a bit uncomfortable with this change on that particular table
2017-05-04 19:10 <diva_> it's not so much switching to InnoDB, but the additioanl FULLTEXT index that was placed there
2017-05-04 19:11 <diva_> I mean, it's the combination of the two things that makes it fail
2017-05-04 19:24 <osmantis> Bug #8159:04 Permissions changes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8159 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-04 19:28 <Life_is_real> How to fix this message : Denied access to region xxx: You have been banned from that region. (Was created a new account) old account normal logon. Opensim updated to last version from git.
2017-05-04 19:29 <Ubit> you are real bad..  region knows that and banned you  even bf you get there :)
2017-05-04 19:30 <Ubit> hmm but strange that
2017-05-04 19:31 <Life_is_real> yes lol . But was to a new account . Old acct works normal
2017-05-04 19:32 <Ubit> standalone or grid?
2017-05-04 19:32 <Life_is_real> i did a grid 
2017-05-04 19:33 <Life_is_real> says "because the user is on the banlist"
2017-05-04 19:34 <Ubit> RegionInfo.EstateSettings.IsBanned(agent.AgentID, flags)
2017-05-04 19:35 <Ubit> hmm not many changes on this recently i think
2017-05-04 19:36 <Ubit> ok check the region access flags
2017-05-04 19:36 <Life_is_real> what paramemter ?
2017-05-04 19:36 <Ubit> make sure it is not restrict to only listed avatars
2017-05-04 19:36 <Life_is_real> full access 
2017-05-04 19:36 <Ubit> flip those settings to reset tehm on db
2017-05-04 19:37 <Life_is_real> on db, do you know the table and key to check?
2017-05-04 19:37 <Ubit> not from memory
2017-05-04 19:38 <Life_is_real> Robust.ini comes with some parameter for that?
2017-05-04 19:39 <Ubit> im looking i region code, that does that error
2017-05-04 19:41 <Ubit> yeack magic numbers on user flags.. 
2017-05-04 19:44 <Ubit> grid is also 091 ?
2017-05-04 19:45 <Life_is_real> last update
2017-05-04 19:46 <Ubit> well the tradional question is.. are confg files correct? :)
2017-05-04 19:46 <Life_is_real> I am on with old account
2017-05-04 19:46 <Life_is_real> to new account I cant
2017-05-04 19:53 <Ubit> normal account is estate manager or region owner ?
2017-05-04 19:54 <Ubit> well review region config files apecial on User Accounts settings
2017-05-04 19:55 <Life_is_real> is the owner . Let me add on the manager to check
2017-05-04 19:55 <Ubit> on owner does bypass several access checks.. so works
2017-05-04 19:56 <Ubit> estate man  also  bypass ohers
2017-05-04 19:57 <Life_is_real> yes
2017-05-04 19:57 <Ubit> review the config files, special where related to user account
2017-05-04 19:59 <Life_is_real> I found the issue here. "payment info checked" on the region.. and more 18 years
2017-05-04 20:00 <Life_is_real> after unchecked works
2017-05-04 20:00 <Ubit> ok
2017-05-04 20:01 <Ubit> that error message is not nice.. grrr
2017-05-04 20:01 <Ubit> just those checks are done on IsBanned
2017-05-04 20:01 <Life_is_real> I dont know why was checked lol 
2017-05-04 20:01 <Ubit> we need to split that so to have cleaner messages
2017-05-04 20:02 <Life_is_real> true. 
2017-05-04 20:02 <Ubit> better message would had save our time :)
2017-05-04 20:03 <Ubit> but well rome wasn't made on a single day.. they say ;)
2017-05-04 20:04 <Life_is_real> but was found :) generic message yet, but was detected :)
2017-05-04 20:06 <Ubit> yeahh need to change this code.. it is bad
2017-05-04 23:19 <diva_> Melanie_ I'm going to switch that one table groups back to InnoDB, ok? For now
2017-05-04 23:19 <diva_> it's just one table
2017-05-04 23:24 <Ubit> guess u mean back from..
2017-05-04 23:27 <Plugh> All of the core groups tables in my standalone are InnoDB
2017-05-04 23:28 <diva_> I mean to MyISAM
2017-05-04 23:28 <diva_> that one table, groups, that needs fulltext search
2017-05-04 23:28 <diva_> I still have a few servers in MySql 5.5, and I don't want to upgrade 
2017-05-04 23:29 <Plugh> oh, ok.
2017-05-04 23:31 <Ubit> ohh mine is also 5.5
2017-05-04 23:32 <Plugh> My machine is on 5.7
2017-05-04 23:32 <Ubit> hmmm ive been reusing dbs.. so guess i had no probs
2017-05-04 23:32 <diva_> yeah, I only came across this because of debugging groups
2017-05-04 23:33 <diva_> I deleted the tables, and then couldn't get it to work
2017-05-04 23:33 <Melanie_T> i'm on 5.6
2017-05-04 23:33 <Plugh> ooh... for a change I'm ahead of the curve :)
2017-05-04 23:33 <Melanie_T> but that is by accident of that being the disribution default
2017-05-04 23:33 <Melanie_T> not a conscious choice
2017-05-04 23:34 <diva_> I'll move that table to MyISAM, cos I don't think everyone is upgraded
2017-05-04 23:34 <Plugh> yea, same here. I have the community version installed as a package. It just gets updated automatically 
2017-05-04 23:34 <Plugh> fwiw, the addon phpxmlrpc based groups uses MyISAM tables
2017-05-04 23:35 <diva_> Ubit there's a bug in groups that's driving me nuts
2017-05-04 23:35 <Plugh> Hm... the pending update to mysql 5.7 on my machine will install a core version and remove the community version.
2017-05-04 23:35 <Ubit> groups  v2 ?
2017-05-04 23:36 <Plugh> What bug, diva_?
2017-05-04 23:36 <diva_> "Sometimes" (and I still don't know under what circunstances) when you create a group, the title of the avatar doesn't get updated as having that group active
2017-05-04 23:36 <Plugh> oh
2017-05-04 23:37 <diva_> it's particularly annoying on the first group, cos you can't activate it again
2017-05-04 23:37 <Plugh> switching to no group and back doesn't help after the group was created?
2017-05-04 23:37 <diva_> ah yes, I hadn't noticed the no group
2017-05-04 23:38 <diva_> yes that works. But it's annoying
2017-05-04 23:38 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2017-05-04 23:38 <Ubit> hm im on the other groups since im at osg
2017-05-04 23:38 <Plugh> I wonder if that is a problem unique to core
2017-05-04 23:39 <Plugh> diva_: Could it be some kind of strange race type problem?
2017-05-04 23:39 <diva_> I don't know. I see the message being sent to the viewer
2017-05-04 23:39 <Plugh> hmm
2017-05-04 23:40 <Ubit> i did change groups sometime ago..  worked more on this one..  did update V2 possible not all
2017-05-04 23:40 <Ubit> but creating a group does not mean setting it active
2017-05-04 23:40 <Plugh> If the message was sent to the viewer I would think the viewer would update properly. Have you tried different viewers to see if it is viewer specific or an OS issue?
2017-05-04 23:40 <Ubit> or does it?
2017-05-04 23:42 <Ubit> anoying is change a user group powers and onl have the changes after its relog
2017-05-04 23:42 <Ubit> a pain testing 
2017-05-04 23:42 <diva_> Ubit it does
2017-05-04 23:43 <diva_> in fact, on the server, the new group gets stored as the active group of the user
2017-05-04 23:43 <Ubit> then iwe are missing the update to sp
2017-05-04 23:44 <diva_> the server is right, and it's sending the message to the viewer
2017-05-04 23:44 <Ubit> and possible telling viewer
2017-05-04 23:44 <Plugh> When you join an existing group that becomes your active group. I would think it is the same for a group create.
2017-05-04 23:44 <diva_> it's telling it, I've placed a debug message down there
2017-05-04 23:44 <Ubit> ok then is update SP cache
2017-05-04 23:44 <diva_> what is that?
2017-05-04 23:44 <Ubit> scenepresence
2017-05-04 23:44 <diva_> I placed a message in LLClientView
2017-05-04 23:44 <Ubit> hmm or llclient viewer
2017-05-04 23:45 <diva_> the message is being sent
2017-05-04 23:45 <Plugh> diva_: You have the same problem regardless of viewer?\
2017-05-04 23:45 <Ubit> group info is cached there
2017-05-04 23:45 <diva_> cached where, Ubit?
2017-05-04 23:45 <Ubit> in llclientview
2017-05-04 23:45 <Ubit> and scenepresence
2017-05-04 23:45 <diva_> ?
2017-05-04 23:46 <Ubit> hmm take a look to xm..  groups.. i may had it done there
2017-05-04 23:46 <diva_> I don't see any cache
2017-05-04 23:46 <diva_> I've placed a debug messagein the method that sends the packet to the viewer
2017-05-04 23:46 <diva_> the packet is being sent
2017-05-04 23:47 <Ubit>         public UUID ActiveGroupId { get { return m_activeGroupID; } set { m_activeGroupID = value; } }
2017-05-04 23:47 <Ubit>         public string ActiveGroupName { get { return m_activeGroupName; } set { m_activeGroupName = value; } }
2017-05-04 23:47 <Ubit>         public ulong ActiveGroupPowers { get { return m_activeGroupPowers; } set { m_activeGroupPowers = value; } }
2017-05-04 23:47 <Ubit>         public bool IsGroupMember(UUID groupID) { return m_groupPowers.ContainsKey(groupID); }
2017-05-04 23:47 <Ubit> from llClientView
2017-05-04 23:48 <Ubit> etc..
2017-05-04 23:48 <diva_> I"m completely confused
2017-05-04 23:48 <diva_> I'm looking at *the method* that sends the info to the viewer. It doesn' tuse any of that
2017-05-04 23:48 <diva_> SendAgentDataUpdate
2017-05-04 23:49 <diva_> I mean I see it there, but that's not what's being sent
2017-05-04 23:49 <Ubit>        public void SendAgentDataUpdate(UUID agentid, UUID activegroupid, string firstname, string lastname, ulong grouppowers, string groupname, string grouptitle)
2017-05-04 23:49 <Ubit>         {
2017-05-04 23:49 <Ubit>             if (agentid == AgentId)
2017-05-04 23:49 <Ubit>             {
2017-05-04 23:49 <Ubit>                 ActiveGroupId = activegroupid;
2017-05-04 23:49 <Ubit>                 ActiveGroupName = groupname;
2017-05-04 23:49 <Ubit>                 ActiveGroupPowers = grouppowers;
2017-05-04 23:49 <Ubit>             }
2017-05-04 23:49 <diva_>             sendAgentDataUpdate.AgentData.ActiveGroupID = activegroupid;
2017-05-04 23:50 <Ubit> it actually updates activegrp "caching"
2017-05-04 23:50 <diva_> but that's not what gets sent. The argu,ent of the method is what gets sent
2017-05-04 23:51 <diva_> but let me poke some more. Maybe some other part of the code is confused and is using an old GroupID?
2017-05-04 23:53 <Ubit> let me see in my testregion
2017-05-04 23:53 <Ubit> you say just create a nre group...
2017-05-04 23:54 <Ubit> nopes it does not change active group on viewer
2017-05-04 23:56 <Ubit> odd
2017-05-04 23:57 <Ubit> we do tell the viewer 
2017-05-04 23:59 <Ubit> and shows up on relog
2017-05-05 00:04 <Ubit> bahh
2017-05-05 00:04 <Ubit> diva the group is active
2017-05-05 00:05 <Ubit> the title is not updated
2017-05-05 00:05 <diva_> I know
2017-05-05 00:05 <diva_> that's exactly what annoys me
2017-05-05 00:05 <Ubit> yeap
2017-05-05 00:06 <Ubit> silly viewers
2017-05-05 00:07 <Ubit> well
2017-05-05 00:07 <Ubit> sendAgentDataUpdate.AgentData.GroupTitle = Util.StringToBytes256(grouptitle);
2017-05-05 00:08 <Melanie_T> there is something else that is needed
2017-05-05 00:08 <Melanie_T> i believe a full update is needed on the agent because the title in world is inthe NVP section of the update
2017-05-05 00:09 <Ubit> think i see what is needed
2017-05-05 00:09 <Ubit> let me dig a bit more
2017-05-05 00:10 <Ubit> grrr
2017-05-05 00:11 <Ubit> 
ACTION wonders who decide to cache activegpr on llcleintview...

2017-05-05 00:13 <Ubit> fixing it
2017-05-05 00:14 <Ubit> ok lets create unittest7 :)
2017-05-05 00:15 <diva_> tell
2017-05-05 00:15 <diva_> really, we should be freezing all these situationas as unit tests
2017-05-05 00:15 <Ubit> active group is stores on llclenteview, but title is on SP
2017-05-05 00:16 <Melanie_T> in my original design, groups were much more decoupled from core
2017-05-05 00:16 <Melanie_T> inthe first iteration, group title wasn't cached at all
2017-05-05 00:16 <Ubit> 
ACTION pushs mels nose

2017-05-05 00:16 <Melanie_T> and it  wasn't meant to
2017-05-05 00:17 <Melanie_T> the idea was that core would call the groups module for every chickenshit group thing
2017-05-05 00:17 <Melanie_T> because the project culture was different then
2017-05-05 00:17 <Melanie_T> later, groups got more integrated by other people
2017-05-05 00:17 <Ubit> yeah yeahh and do tons of grid calls everytime.. ideas...
2017-05-05 00:17 <Melanie_T> and in view of there being NPC now, clientvew isn't the best place
2017-05-05 00:18 <Ubit> funny ideas for things no ones uses :p
2017-05-05 00:18 <Ubit> no caching.. bahh
2017-05-05 00:18 <Melanie_T> the groups interface was written by me and for me.
2017-05-05 00:18 <Ubit> well never mind.. lets go on :)
2017-05-05 00:19 <Melanie_T> so it was written to take into account the then prevailing culture of "if you want something for yourself, make it's core footprint small"
2017-05-05 00:19 <Melanie_T> and my own groups don't use "grid calls"
2017-05-05 00:19 <Melanie_T> as they don't use http but a clustered, distributed, replicated datastore
2017-05-05 00:19 <Ubit> damm still not good enought.. silly viewers
2017-05-05 00:19 <Melanie_T> that is, by defintion, locally available on every sim host....
2017-05-05 00:20 <Melanie_T> that is all ancient history
2017-05-05 00:20 <Melanie_T> my US copyright on the groups module and interfaces dates back to 2008
2017-05-05 00:21 <Melanie_T> back then, the then core members (I wasn't one!) were like "groups? bah, they're too SLish, let's do something open"
2017-05-05 00:22 <Ubit> why in hell we need to send ALSO a full avatar update?
2017-05-05 00:23 <Melanie_T> because the viewer wants it
2017-05-05 00:23 <Melanie_T> that update include the NVP fields
2017-05-05 00:23 <Melanie_T> that is what the viewer uses o set the visible group title
2017-05-05 00:24 <Melanie_T> the other stuff is just for the friends/groups box and other stuff
2017-05-05 00:24 <Ubit> grrr SendAgentDataUpdate sends it needs
2017-05-05 00:24 <Melanie_T> but that full avatar makes it visible in world
2017-05-05 00:24 <Melanie_T> i solved that back ip '08
2017-05-05 00:24 <Ubit> well ok fixing in another way then
2017-05-05 00:25 <Melanie_T> how?
2017-05-05 00:25 <Melanie_T> the viewer wants that friggin' update
2017-05-05 00:26 <Ubit> what hell
2017-05-05 00:26 <Ubit> i have done it
2017-05-05 00:26 <Melanie_T> i can't begin to list how many kinds of stupid the viewer is
2017-05-05 00:26 <Ubit>             if (tellOthers)
2017-05-05 00:26 <Ubit>                 SendScenePresenceUpdate(agentID, activeGroupTitle);
2017-05-05 00:26 <Ubit>             ScenePresence sp = (ScenePresence)remoteClient.SceneAgent;
2017-05-05 00:26 <Ubit>             if (sp != null)
2017-05-05 00:26 <Ubit>                 sp.Grouptitle = activeGroupTitle;
2017-05-05 00:26 <Ubit> on xml groups
2017-05-05 00:26 <Melanie_T> hrm
2017-05-05 00:27 <Ubit> hmm tellothers is false on this path
2017-05-05 00:28 <Ubit> buggg i guess
2017-05-05 00:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #5475 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-05 00:41 <Ubit> clients get ?? uff
2017-05-05 00:41 <Ubit> oops ok
2017-05-05 00:41 <Ubit> try this diva
2017-05-05 00:44 <diva_> ok
2017-05-05 00:44 <Ubit> no idea why i did decide it should not send when i changed that.. wel..
2017-05-05 00:46 <Ubit> what hell
2017-05-05 00:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5475: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5475/
2017-05-05 00:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  let all clients get a group title update on create group
2017-05-05 00:48 <Ubit> plz test also if activate other group updates the title
2017-05-05 00:49 <Ubit> bahh lame me
2017-05-05 00:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #5476 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-05 00:54 <Ubit> ok looks better now
2017-05-05 00:54 <Ubit> and there diva ?
2017-05-05 00:55 <diva_> 1 sec got distracted
2017-05-05 00:55 <Ubit> :)
2017-05-05 00:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5476: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5476/
2017-05-05 00:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix bad move on xmlgroups
2017-05-05 01:01 <Ubit> grrr
2017-05-05 01:01 <Ubit> why can a group founder leave its group :p
2017-05-05 01:01 <Ubit> deleted the wrong group lol
2017-05-05 01:02 <Ubit> ie left
2017-05-05 01:02 <Ubit> DANNN HELLLP 
2017-05-05 01:02 <Ubit> lol
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2017-05-05 01:21 <osmantis> Bug #8161:04 llList2Float() works differently in OSGrid and ( Metro or SL) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8161 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-05-05 01:23 <osmantis> Bug #8161:04 llList2Float() works differently in OSGrid and ( Metro or SL) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8161 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-05 01:24 <Plugh> bad move?
2017-05-05 01:24 <Ubit> yeal literal.. moved 2 lines of code up :p
2017-05-05 01:25 <Plugh> Your change log entries are often very uninformative
2017-05-05 01:25 <Plugh> I would have no idea what problem the change was supposed to address.
2017-05-05 01:27 <diva_> It looks like it works now Ubit. Thanks
2017-05-05 01:28 <diva_> as usual, opensim is a rabbit hole.. you start wanting to do one thing, end up having to follow the white rabbit down some hole you didn't know was there...
2017-05-05 01:28 <Plugh> hm... You are setting GroupTitle *after* the scenepresence update gets sent? Hm... it needs to be able to see that there was a change by knowing the existing group title when it is sending the updates.
2017-05-05 01:29 <Plugh> That would be my guess of why the move of those three lines makes a difference.
2017-05-05 01:29 <Ubit> actually that is a redundante..
2017-05-05 01:29 <Ubit> for some reason i added it there, so keeping it for now
2017-05-05 01:32 <Ubit> makes a dif bc the function called bf it, does nothing it known type is already equal to new one
2017-05-05 01:33 <Ubit> i mean known titlle
2017-05-05 01:33 <Plugh> Right. That's what I thought was happening.
2017-05-05 01:33 <Ubit> ir does set it also.. but well
2017-05-05 03:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #5477 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-05 03:19 <diva_> one of these days we'll need test suites for our test suites
2017-05-05 03:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5477: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5477/
2017-05-05 03:23 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Change the engine of the groups table back to MyISAM, because MySQL 5.5 and older don't support full test search on InnoDB
2017-05-05 03:23 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Add a groups module to the perms test suite
2017-05-05 03:23 <osjenkins> * diva@metaverseink.com: Added a fully functional groups data layer for testing.
2017-05-05 03:39 <Plugh> oops... test search. :)
2017-05-05 03:56 <diva_> typo text search
2017-05-05 15:32 <wind_chimes> does anyone got an ERROR when try to run after limit zone sim? [ServiceThrottle]: Job regionHandle failed, continuing.  Exception   System.Collections.Generic.KeyNotFoundException: The given key was not present in the dictionary.
2017-05-05 15:34 <Plugh> diva_: yea, I knew it was a typo. You have just been typing "test" too much in the last few days. :)
2017-05-05 15:43 <wind_chimes> "Exception: System.Collections.Generic.KeyNotFoundException: The given key was not present in the dictionary."
2017-05-05 15:45 <Plugh> wind_chimes: I don't know what you mean by "limit zone sim".
2017-05-05 15:45 <wind_chimes> out of range of the sim. Like the sea without a neighbor sim
2017-05-05 16:02 <Plugh> What are you doing in the region when that error message pops up?
2017-05-05 16:04 <wind_chimes> just run to out of range of the limit sim. So, opensim close with this error
2017-05-05 16:25 <Ubit> what version and what physics engine ?
2017-05-05 16:30 <Ubit> wind_chimes ?
2017-05-05 16:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #5478 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-05 16:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5478: SUCCESS in 6 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5478/
2017-05-05 16:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a few guard checks on serviceThrottlemodule
2017-05-05 17:09 <smxy> diva_: If we are running MySQL 5.6 or later, can we leave that table as InnoDB? I want them all that way for DB replication.
2017-05-05 17:09 <Ubit> she needs .5.5
2017-05-05 17:10 <smxy> You did not understand my question.
2017-05-05 17:10 <diva_> yes, you can change it if you want. You need to recompile that dll
2017-05-05 17:10 <Ubit> but 5.6 can be innodb yes
2017-05-05 17:11 <smxy> How do we recompile the dll as part of the regular build process?
2017-05-05 17:13 <smxy> When will OpenSim be able to support all tables being InnoDB?
2017-05-05 17:13 <diva_> Not for another couple of years, smxy
2017-05-05 17:14 <diva_> Not while I have servers in 5.5... If I do, many do too
2017-05-05 17:14 <smxy> Okay, fair enough. Can you tell me what dll I have to recompile, and how, so I can locally make the change?
2017-05-05 17:15 <smxy> Is it just something I need to edit in a file, before building the OpenSim code?
2017-05-05 17:17 <Ubit> change file OpenSim\Data\MySQL\Resources\os_groups_Store.migrations
2017-05-05 17:17 <Ubit> put back
2017-05-05 17:17 <Ubit> ..
2017-05-05 17:17 <Ubit>   FULLTEXT KEY `Name_2` (`Name`)
2017-05-05 17:17 <Ubit> ) ENGINE=InnoDB;
2017-05-05 17:17 <Ubit> ...
2017-05-05 17:17 <smxy> right
2017-05-05 17:18 <Ubit> and rebuild all
2017-05-05 17:18 <smxy> That's easy. She mentioned recompiling a dll though.
2017-05-05 17:18 <diva_> that's it
2017-05-05 17:18 <Ubit> its the MySql one
2017-05-05 17:19 <Ubit> just rebuilf all in case the change above is not detected
2017-05-05 17:19 <smxy> Okay, thanks.
2017-05-05 18:21 <jakdaniels> diva_ Ubit smxy .... just my 2p worth, but some major distros e.g. RHEL/Centos 6 with EOL of 2020 and RHEL/Centos7 with EOL of 2024 both use mysql/mariadb version before 5.6 and so will not support fulltext on innodb. I can see the advantages of using innodb for all tables to support better replication etc. So my question is: Is that fulltext index really needed on the 'Name' field in the os_groups_groups table? Does group names lookup use 
2017-05-05 18:21 <jakdaniels> any kind of natural searching or search ranking that benefits from this index, that outweighs the advantages of being able to move to all innodb tables?
2017-05-05 18:49 <diva_> that's a good question. I copie dthe db schema from flotsam's withough questioning it
2017-05-05 19:43 <djphil> About Groups V2 database, did you find that when you installed opensim from scratch and manually delete the databases from the groups, they are not automatically recreated afterwards
2017-05-05 19:44 <djphil> I mentioned this a few days ago ...
2017-05-05 19:46 <hack13> on MariaDB I have switched the MyISAM tables to Aria but I know that is not possible on MySQL
2017-05-05 19:56 <djphil> Hi hack13, i recently visited your repo and see you have a OpenSim.Email module. I try to compile it with OS 0.9 but i get red warrning and don't compile proprely. Have you planed a update for OS 0.9 ? And, second question, it work under windows ? (from a long time ago i search a working Email module for windows users).
2017-05-05 19:57 <hack13> djphil: I was not the original author of that, and I haven't had a chance to look at it just yet. But I do plan to work on it eventually, and I will attempt to make sure it is windows compatible.
2017-05-05 19:58 <djphil> ok, that cool!
2017-05-05 19:58 <djphil> the original author is fly-man, right ?
2017-05-05 19:59 <hack13> Yes that is correct
2017-05-05 20:37 <Ubit> seems the new csj2k is making warp3d maps unhappy really
2017-05-05 20:38 <Ubit> warp just uses it to encode/ decode the images
2017-05-05 21:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #5479 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-05 21:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5479: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5479/
2017-05-05 21:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  revert to older CSJ2K.dll since new seems have issues on linux with existent textures/sculpts
2017-05-05 21:52 <Plugh> Earlier today I received an email about a dRofus User Group. At first I read that as "doofus".  :D
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2017-05-06 00:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #5480 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-06 00:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5480: FAILURE in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5480/
2017-05-06 00:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  MySQLConnector is not a MS product
2017-05-06 00:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #5481 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5479 3 hr 17 min ago)
2017-05-06 00:47 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2017-05-06 00:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5481: FIXED in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5481/
2017-05-06 00:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix wrong placement
2017-05-06 00:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #5482 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2017-05-06 00:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5482: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5482/
2017-05-06 00:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix a few wrong placement ( this is a test by the way )
2017-05-06 01:07 <misterblue> sigh... reverted CSJ2K.dll again... I'm going to have to find my own... wonder where the one-that-works came from
2017-05-06 01:08 <Ubit> hmm you have 
2017-05-06 01:08 <Ubit> but more ppl telling they see errors from the new
2017-05-06 01:09 <Ubit> and also long ago dahlia did a similar revert when it was updated to libomv
2017-05-06 01:10 <Ubit> about same time last changes at libovm 2010
2017-05-06 01:12 <misterblue> wonder where the one-that-works came from.... I guess, for the moment, we can use the DLL in the tree but we don't have sources for it
2017-05-06 01:12 <Ubit> can even tell if this one is from libomv
2017-05-06 01:13 <Ubit> hmm guess dahlia doesn't remember
2017-05-06 01:14 <misterblue> there were changes to CSJ2K by John Hurliman back in 2010
2017-05-06 01:14 <Ubit> well specially not afk
2017-05-06 01:14 <Ubit> yeap seen that
2017-05-06 01:14 <Ubit> a change then a revert
2017-05-06 01:15 <Ubit> and "cleanup" bf that
2017-05-06 01:15 <misterblue> a revert for the BlockCopy change but not for the 'improvements'
2017-05-06 01:15 <misterblue> the thing I want the newer version for is it extracts transparency correctly
2017-05-06 01:16 <misterblue> was the problem with scuplties that it failed to decode the texture?
2017-05-06 01:16 <Ubit> but doesn't seem to like viewers encoded things
2017-05-06 01:16 <Ubit> textures i think
2017-05-06 01:16 <Plugh> Changelog entry by John Hurliman on Fri Oct 2 16:53:35 2009 -> New version of CSJ2K.dll (from libomv source tree) that fixes a JPEG2000 comment decoding bug
2017-05-06 01:17 <Plugh> It then got replaced by Melanie with a fixed version (mantis #3318) on May 21, 2010
2017-05-06 01:17 <Ubit> well dahlia is afk
2017-05-06 01:18 <Plugh> It seems this is a very fragile DLL. It has been replaced with a newer version and that update reverted multiple times.
2017-05-06 01:18 <Plugh> It happened several times in 2009, once in 2010, and now again in 2017.
2017-05-06 01:19 <Ubit> well i noticed no probs in win
2017-05-06 01:19 <Ubit> but can be some texs only
2017-05-06 01:20 <Plugh> The last CSJ2K change in libOMV was by J Hurliman in 2010
2017-05-06 01:21 <Ubit> you need yrs on opensim or another project MB ?
2017-05-06 01:21 <misterblue> if there are only problems on Linux, there could be library problems creeping in.... CSJ2K is really just the C# adaptor for OpenJPEG
2017-05-06 01:22 <Ubit> sounds a lot more than that from the source
2017-05-06 01:22 <misterblue> another project... currently a region module so it is using the OS libraries
2017-05-06 01:22 <Ubit> ohh
2017-05-06 01:23 <misterblue> an asset converter/simplifier
2017-05-06 01:23 <Ubit> and openjpeg doesn't do it?
2017-05-06 01:23 <Ubit> we do use it on the meshmerizer for sculps 
2017-05-06 01:24 <Ubit> and seems faster ( unmanaged )
2017-05-06 01:24 <Plugh> I was going to look up something using my web browser but I forgot what by the time I had opened a new tab in the browser
2017-05-06 01:24 <Plugh> :P
2017-05-06 01:25 <Ubit> jmm cs does seem a full decoder/enc.. not a warper
2017-05-06 01:25 <Ubit> well at least as lot of files to be just that :)
2017-05-06 01:26 <Ubit> * This software module was originally developed by Rapha�l Grosbois and
2017-05-06 01:26 <Ubit> * Diego Santa Cruz (Swiss Federal Institute of Technology-EPFL); Joel
2017-05-06 01:26 <Ubit> * Askel�f (Ericsson Radio Systems AB); and Bertrand Berthelot, David
2017-05-06 01:26 <Ubit> * Bouchard, F�lix Henry, Gerard Mozelle and Patrice Onno (Canon Research
2017-05-06 01:26 <Ubit> * Centre France S.A) in the course of development of the JPEG2000
2017-05-06 01:26 <Ubit> * standard as specified by ISO/IEC 15444 (JPEG 2000 Standard). This
2017-05-06 01:26 <Ubit> * software module is an implementation of a part of the JPEG 2000
2017-05-06 01:26 <Ubit> * Standard. Swiss Federal Institute of Technology-EPFL, Ericsson Radio
2017-05-06 01:26 <Ubit> ...
2017-05-06 01:27 <misterblue> it's like our physics engines -- much more than just a wrapper for a C++ physics engine :)
2017-05-06 01:27 <Ubit> :)
2017-05-06 01:29 <Plugh> in the course of development of ?   eww Sounds like it was written before the spec was finalized.
2017-05-06 01:30 <misterblue> aren't they all!
2017-05-06 01:30 <Plugh> hehe, yeah. Sure seems that way
2017-05-06 01:30 <misterblue> I'm fighting with GLTF which is a 'standard' in transition
2017-05-06 01:30 <Plugh> oh, now that sounds like fun... not.
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2017-05-06 14:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #5483 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-06 15:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5483: SUCCESS in 5 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5483/
2017-05-06 15:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  dispose some MemoryStreams
2017-05-06 16:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #5484 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-06 16:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5484: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5484/
2017-05-06 16:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  dispose some MemoryStreams
2017-05-06 17:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #5485 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-06 17:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5485: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5485/
2017-05-06 17:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  GZipStream does have a CopyTo()
2017-05-06 19:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #5486 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-06 19:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5486: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5486/
2017-05-06 19:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  build const strings a compile time...
2017-05-06 19:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #5487 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-06 19:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5487: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5487/
2017-05-06 19:47 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  another misplaced close
2017-05-06 19:47 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  don't hold dbconn longer than necessart
2017-05-06 20:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #5488 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-06 20:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5488: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5488/
2017-05-06 20:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  a few more changes on mysql
2017-05-06 21:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #5489 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-06 21:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5489: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5489/
2017-05-06 21:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  oops closed too soon
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2017-05-06 23:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #5490 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-06 23:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5490: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5490/
2017-05-06 23:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let StreamReader be in using statements
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2017-05-07 08:29 <osmantis> Bug #7799:04 MySQL Table storage engine for 'regions' doesn't have this option (ROW_FORMAT=FIXED) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7799 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-07 17:13 <osmantis> Bug #8129:04 exception when starting robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8129 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-07 17:15 <Ubit> its bin/Mono.Posix.dll  .. fixed the note :)
2017-05-07 17:20 <osmantis> Bug #8158:04 [MEMORY] memory leak or normal behavior 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8158 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-05-07 17:24 <Plugh> ok, thanks
2017-05-07 17:44 <osmantis> Bug #8158:04 [MEMORY] memory leak or normal behavior 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8158 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-07 17:49 <osmantis> Bug #8158:04 [MEMORY] memory leak or normal behavior 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8158 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-07 17:51 <Plugh> Removing Mono.Posix.dll stopped the exception during startup of my standalone
2017-05-07 17:56 <osmantis> Bug #8158:04 [MEMORY] memory leak or normal behavior 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8158 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-07 17:59 <osmantis> Bug #8158:04 [MEMORY] memory leak or normal behavior 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8158 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-05-07 21:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #5491 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-07 21:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5491: SUCCESS in 7 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5491/
2017-05-07 21:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: take more heavy work out of opened dbconn sections
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2017-05-07 23:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #5492 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-07 23:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5492: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5492/
2017-05-07 23:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: some conditional dispose on http requests inputstream
2017-05-08 01:07 <osmantis> Bug #8158:04 [MEMORY] memory leak or normal behavior 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8158 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2017-05-08 01:07 <osmantis> Bug #8158:04 [MEMORY] memory leak or normal behavior 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8158 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2017-05-08 19:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #5493 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-08 19:26 <osmantis> Bug #8162:04 PGSQL: AgentPrefs.migrations missing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8162 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-08 19:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5493: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5493/
2017-05-08 19:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: PGSQL: Add missing AgentPrefs.migrations
2017-05-09 10:22 <osmantis> Bug #8163:04 PGSQL EstateStore.migrations leaves database without estate tables on first run 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8163 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-05-09 10:22 <osmantis> Bug #8163:04 PGSQL EstateStore.migrations leaves database without estate tables on first run 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8163 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2017-05-09 10:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #5494 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-09 11:03 <osmantis> Bug #8163:04 PGSQL EstateStore.migrations leaves database without estate tables on first run 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8163 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-09 11:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5494: SUCCESS in 5 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5494/
2017-05-09 11:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove file bin/Mono.Posix.dll that causes problems with mono
2017-05-09 11:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #5495 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-09 11:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5495: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5495/
2017-05-09 11:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: PGSQL: Rewrote EstateStore.migrations as it errored out in version 8 leaving the database without any estate tables on first run. It also lacked primary keys on estate_map and estate_settings. Syntax requires Postgresql 9.5 or higher.
2017-05-09 11:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #5496 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-09 11:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5496: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5496/
2017-05-09 11:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update mysql connector to v6.9.9 .net4.0
2017-05-09 17:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #5497 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-09 17:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5497: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5497/
2017-05-09 17:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  let .net decide GC mode from its defaults on the platform
2017-05-09 18:53 <osmantis> Bug #8127:04 List fetching functions (eg llList2Vector) are dog slow on Microsoft servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8127 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-05-09 19:06 <osmantis> Bug #8127:04 List fetching functions (eg llList2Vector) are dog slow on Microsoft servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8127 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-05-09 22:23 <Ubit> tiny flood
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2017-05-11 01:19 <osmantis> Bug #8164:04 This script fails after a while permanatly sometimes even rezzing it stays broke 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8164 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-05-11 01:41 <osmantis> Bug #8164:04 This script fails after a while permanatly sometimes even rezzing it stays broke 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8164 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-05-11 15:44 <mono_warning> does anyone got this message: "Warning: Degraded allocation.  Consider increasing nursery-size if the warning persists."  ?
2017-05-11 15:45 <mono_warning> my MONO_GC_PARAMS nursery-size=64M 
2017-05-11 15:49 <Plugh> How are you setting that in your environment? If I do 'set | grep MONO' I see MONO_GC_PARAMS=nursery-size=64m
2017-05-11 15:50 <Plugh> I can't say that I've noticed the message you are seeing. Which version of mono are you using?
2017-05-11 15:52 <mono_warning> set
2017-05-11 15:52 <mono_warning> ops wait let me see
2017-05-11 15:53 <nebadon> I have seen it
2017-05-11 15:53 <nebadon> its easy to fix
2017-05-11 15:54 <nebadon> https://www.nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44
2017-05-11 15:54 <mono_warning> let me see
2017-05-11 15:54 <nebadon> scroll down to where it talks about .bashrc
2017-05-11 15:54 <nebadon> you just need to add the gc params variable and restart bash
2017-05-11 15:55 <nebadon> ie: export MONO_GC_PARAMS=nursery-size=64m
2017-05-11 15:57 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2017-05-11 15:57 <Plugh> I think mono_warning is missing an = 
2017-05-11 16:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #5498 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-11 16:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5498: SUCCESS in 5 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5498/
2017-05-11 16:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add a grid services god account
2017-05-11 16:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #5499 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-11 16:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5499: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5499/
2017-05-11 16:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  let new regions know about grid services god
2017-05-11 17:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #5500 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-11 17:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5500: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5500/
2017-05-11 17:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  do not allow multiple logins of same avatar. No HG case, that needs work on some paths. option m_allowDuplicatePresences is checked, but is is a total nonsense.. Presences control will get broken if allowed, No one ever added code to suport it correctly.
2017-05-11 18:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #5501 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-11 18:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5501: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5501/
2017-05-11 18:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid  a null ref
2017-05-11 19:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #5502 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-11 19:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5502: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5502/
2017-05-11 19:33 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: some cleanup
2017-05-11 19:33 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: don't allow multiple presences of same avatar also on HG gatekeeper
2017-05-11 20:10 <Ubit> smx ping
2017-05-11 20:10 <Ubit> and smxy
2017-05-11 20:10 <Ubit> ( hmm no Z ? only 2D.. well makes sense .. this is irc )
2017-05-11 20:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #5503 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-11 20:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5503: SUCCESS in 5 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5503/
2017-05-11 20:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: hide a nonsense option
2017-05-11 20:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #5504 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-11 20:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5504: SUCCESS in 5 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5504/
2017-05-11 20:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove a coment added by mistake
2017-05-11 21:24 <white_bear> hi :) about this link: https://www.nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44 what means for <USER> in section: export PATH="/home/<user>/bin/mono/bin:$PATH"
2017-05-11 21:31 <white_bear> I found at: /root/.bashrc and /etc/skel/.bashrc .. anyone knows what parameter add in <user> to command PATH="/home/<user>/bin/mono/bin:$PATH" ?
2017-05-11 22:14 <Ubit> *FLOOD*
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2017-05-11 22:31 <white_bear> I did https://www.nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44 to connect using mono. But not works. OpenSim ON but cant to log in. Maybe needs too apt-get install mono-complete ?
2017-05-11 22:34 <white_bear> get message: [LLUDPSERVER]: Client packet handler for packet AgentCachedTexture threw System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
2017-05-11 22:35 <Ubit> hmm ?
2017-05-11 22:36 <white_bear> with apt-get install mono-complete was ok. But I did https://www.nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44 and get messege about UDP
2017-05-11 22:37 <Ubit> what do the next lines on that udp error say ?
2017-05-11 22:38 <white_bear>  Object reference not set to an instance of an object                                                 at OpenSim.Region.ClientStack.LindenUDP.LLClientView.HandleAgentTextureCached (IClientAPI simclient, OpenMetaverse.Packets.Packet packet) [0x000c5] in /home/quintino/source/opensim/OpenSim/Region/ClientStack/Linden/UDP/LLClientView. cs:12571                                                                                    
2017-05-11 22:39 <white_bear> at OpenSim.Region.ClientStack.LindenUDP.LLClientView.ProcessPacketMethod (OpenMetaverse.Packets.Packet packet) [0x0019e] in /home/quintino/source/opensim/OpenSim/Region/ClientStack/Linden/UDP/LLClientView.cs:795  
2017-05-11 22:39 <white_bear> at OpenSim.Region.ClientStack.LindenUDP.LLClientView.ProcessInPacket (OpenMetaverse.Packets.Packet packet) [0x00137] in /home/quintino/source/opensim/OpenSim/Region/ClientStack/Linden/UDP/LLClientView.cs:13062 
2017-05-11 22:39 <white_bear>  at OpenSim.Region.ClientStack.LindenUDP.LLUDPServer.ProcessInPacket (OpenSim.Region.ClientStack.LindenUDP.IncomingPacket incomingPacket) [0x00029] in /home/quintino/source/opensim/OpenSim/Region/ClientStack/Linden/UDP/LLUDPServer.cs :2210                                       
2017-05-11 22:39 <Ubit> ok thx
2017-05-11 22:39 <Ubit> something odd with yr avatar
2017-05-11 22:40 <white_bear> Let me try other
2017-05-11 22:42 <Ubit> this current master ?
2017-05-11 22:42 <white_bear> yes
2017-05-11 22:42 <white_bear> other same
2017-05-11 22:42 <white_bear> I can to log in text mode.. but no complete 
2017-05-11 22:42 <white_bear> and cant move
2017-05-11 22:42 <white_bear> but I see works actions like touch, teleport
2017-05-11 22:43 <white_bear> but run, walk.. Cant
2017-05-11 22:43 <white_bear> freeze on the ground
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2017-05-11 22:44 <white_bear> but.. about it : export PATH="/home/<user>/bin/mono/bin:$PATH" I did: export PATH="/~root/bin/mono/bin:$PATH" 
2017-05-11 22:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #5505 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-11 22:47 <Ubit> welll there was a bug
2017-05-11 22:47 <Ubit> bug should not be hit with normal avatars
2017-05-11 22:48 <Ubit> reason we never spoted it till now :)
2017-05-11 22:48 <Ubit> well its my bug.. oooops ;)
2017-05-11 22:48 <Ubit> .. was..
2017-05-11 22:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5505: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5505/
2017-05-11 22:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid a null ref
2017-05-12 02:55 <Ubit> hmm i made a change on master
2017-05-12 02:55 <Ubit> odd
2017-05-12 03:02 <Plugh> I removed bin/Mono.Posix.dll to fix an exception during startup as was mentioned here earlier but running prebuild there are two references to it. The prebuild process complains the file is missing.
2017-05-12 03:02 <Ubit> ahh yeap also noticed that
2017-05-12 03:02 <Ubit> i did remove locally
2017-05-12 03:03 <Ubit> oops 2? only removed one :)
2017-05-12 03:04 <Ubit> hmm hope mono doesn't need it
2017-05-12 03:04 <Ubit> its a native thing for mono
2017-05-12 03:06 <Plugh> ok, it is the prebuild.xml that still has the refs to Posix DLL
2017-05-12 03:06 <Ubit> yes
2017-05-12 03:06 <Ubit> 2 as you said
2017-05-12 03:06 <Plugh> I took them out and ran prebuild. No more messages about them.
2017-05-12 03:07 <Ubit> nice
2017-05-12 03:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #5506 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-12 03:09 <Ubit> hmm no reference to the sensorrepeat change.. odd
2017-05-12 03:13 <Plugh> I've commented out 5 Reference lines in the prebuild for OpenSimProfile and it still builds without complaint under mono 3.2.8
2017-05-12 03:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5506: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5506/
2017-05-12 03:14 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: minor fix on sensorrepeat
2017-05-12 03:14 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove forgotten refs to Mono.Posix.dll
2017-05-12 03:15 <Ubit> ahh the sensor code
2017-05-12 11:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #5507 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-12 11:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5507: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5507/
2017-05-12 11:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: yes it is not destiny grid but destination.. thx u know who :)
2017-05-12 12:25 <Ubit> lol had a stack overflow so funny
2017-05-12 12:25 <Ubit> made a funtion call it self endless by mistake :)
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2017-05-12 13:14 <osmantis> Bug #8165:04 HG teleport fails between grids on latest dev master version () 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8165 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-05-12 13:18 <osmantis> Bug #8165:04 HG teleport fails between grids on latest dev master version () 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8165 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-05-12 13:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #5508 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-12 13:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5508: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5508/
2017-05-12 13:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: soem changes on connections limits
2017-05-12 13:28 <osmantis> Bug #8165:04 HG teleport fails between grids on latest dev master version () 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8165 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-05-12 13:30 <osmantis> Bug #8165:04 HG teleport fails between grids on latest dev master version () 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8165 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-05-12 13:31 <osmantis> Bug #8165:04 HG teleport fails between grids on latest dev master version (1356) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8165 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-05-12 13:36 <osmantis> Bug #8165:04 HG teleport fails between grids on latest dev master version (1356) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8165 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-12 13:41 <osmantis> Bug #8165:04 HG teleport fails between grids on latest dev master version (1356) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8165 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-12 13:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #5509 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-12 13:43 <osmantis> Bug #8165:04 HG teleport fails between grids on latest dev master version (1356) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8165 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-12 13:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5509: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5509/
2017-05-12 13:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a null ref on hg gatekeeper
2017-05-12 13:56 <osmantis> Bug #8165:04 HG teleport fails between grids on latest dev master version (1356) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8165 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-12 14:13 <osmantis> Bug #8165:04 HG teleport fails between grids on latest dev master version (1356) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8165 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-12 14:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #5510 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-12 14:27 <osmantis> Bug #8165:04 HG teleport fails between grids on latest dev master version (1356) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8165 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-12 14:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5510: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5510/
2017-05-12 14:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8165: fix a null ref on hg gatekeeper on another place
2017-05-12 14:46 <osmantis> Bug #8165:04 HG teleport fails between grids on latest dev master version (1356) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8165 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-12 14:47 <osmantis> Bug #8165:04 HG teleport fails between grids on latest dev master version (1356) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8165 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-12 14:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #5511 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-12 15:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5511: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5511/
2017-05-12 15:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: revert changes to *exe.config since a host mask of * produces identical effects as runtime setting
2017-05-12 15:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #5512 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-12 15:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5512: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5512/
2017-05-12 15:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: lower connection limits again
2017-05-12 20:21 <magic_box> hi, I have 12 gb memory ram in my computer. OpenSim will to use the memory or has a limit? to mono, and win.. same?
2017-05-12 20:22 <Ubit> it it runs in 64b  it will use it
2017-05-12 20:22 <Ubit> and more if you add it :p
2017-05-12 20:23 <Ubit> 32b will have the tradicional limit of around 3GB ??
2017-05-12 20:24 <magic_box> 64b
2017-05-12 20:25 <djphil> Rev provide a LargeMemSetup for Simulators ...
2017-05-12 20:25 <djphil> https://github.com/aurora-sim/Aurora-Sim/blob/master/AuroraDocs/LargeMemSetup.txt
2017-05-12 20:25 <Ubit> then you will wich it used less ;)
2017-05-12 20:25 <Ubit> yeap 32b could use more than 3g
2017-05-12 20:25 <magic_box> cause I see geting 300mb .. dont know If takes more
2017-05-12 20:26 <Ubit> on some cpus at least
2017-05-12 20:27 <Ubit> http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/pae/paemem.mspx
2017-05-12 20:27 <Ubit> but well old history now
2017-05-12 20:27 <magic_box> current, opensim 32bits exe ?
2017-05-12 20:28 <Ubit> its anyCPU
2017-05-12 20:28 <Ubit> will be 32b on a 32b machine, 64b on 64b
2017-05-12 20:28 <Ubit> but can be told to run 32b on 64b also
2017-05-12 20:29 <Ubit> well im having that testing framework 4.6
2017-05-12 20:29 <Ubit> err 4.5
2017-05-12 20:29 <Ubit> buy default with it, anyCPU means 32b even on 64b ;)
2017-05-12 20:30 <Ubit> little regions mb be happy in 32b
2017-05-12 20:30 <magic_box> I am compiling current version, so will take 64 right? no any INI file ? I am testing Linux and Windows instance . To windows works better
2017-05-12 20:30 <Ubit> even less mem and bit faste
2017-05-12 20:30 <Ubit> yes master will be as the machine
2017-05-12 20:31 <Ubit> and yes windows now seems better than linux
2017-05-12 20:31 <magic_box> I see
2017-05-12 20:31 <Ubit> but may depend on the linux box settings also.. what mono version..  uff confusing
2017-05-12 20:33 <magic_box> I am using MONO_GC_PARAMS nursery-size=64M and works fine
2017-05-12 20:33 <Ubit> gc does release memory nicely?
2017-05-12 20:34 <magic_box> without this parameter, OPENSIM close all time
2017-05-12 20:34 <Ubit> hmm strange
2017-05-12 20:34 <Ubit> i see reports of not closing on shutdown :
2017-05-12 20:35 <magic_box> take UDP issue
2017-05-12 20:35 <Ubit> not on closing all the time
2017-05-12 20:35 <magic_box> cant to log
2017-05-12 20:35 <Ubit> what udp issue?
2017-05-12 20:35 <magic_box> dont remember right now, but I got. was solved only after this paramter
2017-05-12 20:35 <Ubit> odd there should be no relation 
2017-05-12 20:36 <magic_box> I dont know if 64M is the max limit 
2017-05-12 20:37 <Ubit> default is 4M right?
2017-05-12 20:37 <magic_box> yes
2017-05-12 20:37 <Ubit> that should have no relation with idp
2017-05-12 20:37 <Ubit> upd
2017-05-12 20:41 <Ubit> there is still a warning on terrain sending about a upd packet a bit 2 large, but that its peacefull
2017-05-12 20:43 <magic_box> current version working fine last update , no error yet to me. for both win and linux
2017-05-12 20:49 <Ubit> don't worry  i will break current soon ;)
2017-05-12 20:50 <magic_box> AppDomainLoading = true works better? this parameter false load fast 
2017-05-12 20:51 <Ubit> is slower, takes more memory.. and not that good don't remember if linux or win
2017-05-12 20:51 <Ubit> BUT
2017-05-12 20:51 <Ubit> without it scripts are never deleted from memory
2017-05-12 20:51 <Ubit> ie  = false
2017-05-12 20:51 <magic_box> to me is false. So better true?
2017-05-12 20:52 <Ubit> but really only a issue if you do add many scripts
2017-05-12 20:52 <Ubit> and you should do full region restarts periodicly anyway
2017-05-12 20:52 <magic_box> to false need restart always?
2017-05-12 20:53 <Ubit> opensim will like restarts anyways
2017-05-12 20:53 <Ubit> :)
2017-05-12 20:53 <magic_box> but AppDomainLoading = false is ok? or need to be true?
2017-05-12 20:53 <Ubit> false is better.. except if are adding and deleting tons of scripts see ?
2017-05-12 20:54 <magic_box> hum yes
2017-05-12 20:54 <danbanner> AppDomainLoading = true doesnt work in linux very well at all
2017-05-12 20:54 <danbanner> is fine in windows
2017-05-12 20:54 <Ubit> yeap i knew it was bad on one
2017-05-12 20:54 <magic_box> so better false 
2017-05-12 20:54 <Ubit> imo yes
2017-05-12 20:55 <magic_box> sometimes I am scared about script security. Same as SL cant decrypt, right? because like SL I see ppl using so much copybot for many grids
2017-05-12 20:56 <Ubit> assume at least same issues on that
2017-05-12 20:57 <Ubit> never set trustBinaries of course
2017-05-12 20:57 <Ubit> unless you do run a closed grid :)
2017-05-12 20:57 <magic_box> [XEngine] ? I think false, let me check
2017-05-12 20:57 <magic_box> ah sure, always closed :)
2017-05-12 20:57 <magic_box> never HG
2017-05-12 20:58 <Ubit> its on STARTUP i think
2017-05-12 20:58 <Ubit> if absolute closed and all running same version then it is nice having it
2017-05-12 20:58 <Ubit> makes objects crossings a bit better
2017-05-12 20:59 <magic_box> but opensim rox cause can do 512x512 768x768.  It takes more memory?
2017-05-12 20:59 <Ubit> of course :)
2017-05-12 21:00 <Ubit> 4 bytes per square meter x 4 copies
2017-05-12 21:00 <magic_box> but to 12gb maybe will works fine 
2017-05-12 21:00 <Ubit> yeap
2017-05-12 21:00 <Ubit> just more that 2km may show issues
2017-05-12 21:01 <Ubit> AND AREA DOES NOT MEAN MORE PRIMS
2017-05-12 21:01 <Ubit> lol
2017-05-12 21:01 <magic_box> lol
2017-05-12 21:03 <magic_box> yes, TrustBinaries = false [Startup]. So is ok :) 
2017-05-12 21:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #5513 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-12 21:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5513: SUCCESS in 5 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5513/
2017-05-12 21:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  a bit more on ServicePointManager
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2017-05-13 14:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #5514 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-13 15:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5514: SUCCESS in 5 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5514/
2017-05-13 15:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix wrong locking on unused path it case it does get uses. Thanks LaNani Sundara
2017-05-13 15:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #5515 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-13 15:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5515: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5515/
2017-05-13 15:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: we can't allow abort to change only one dic
2017-05-13 16:13 <osmantis> Bug #8166:04 PGSQL Convert prim table PassCollision field to bool 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8166 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-05-13 16:13 <osmantis> Bug #8166:04 PGSQL Convert prim table PassCollision field to bool 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8166 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2017-05-13 16:17 <Ubit> errr
2017-05-13 16:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #5516 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-13 16:24 <osmantis> Bug #8166:04 PGSQL Convert prim table PassCollision field to bool 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8166 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-13 16:28 <osmantis> Bug #8166:04 PGSQL Convert prim table PassCollision field to bool 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8166 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-13 16:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5516: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5516/
2017-05-13 16:28 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: PGSQL: Convert PassCollision in table prims to bool to avoid a hopeless cast that fails with newer versions of NPGSQL.
2017-05-13 16:28 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix passcollisions bool value on store
2017-05-13 19:22 <osmantis> Bug #8165:04 HG teleport fails between grids on latest dev master version (1356) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8165 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-13 19:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #5517 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-13 19:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5517: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5517/
2017-05-13 19:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: find parcels by GlobalID.. well most time
2017-05-13 20:11 <daveray> Hi anyone here?
2017-05-13 20:14 <daveray> Tried the new Mono 5.0 release, Opensim crashes on startup. Any solutions?
2017-05-13 20:14 <Ubit> use older mono :p
2017-05-13 20:14 <daveray> Did that, works again
2017-05-13 20:15 <daveray> Possible to use 5? 
2017-05-13 20:15 <Ubit> sorry we can't debug that mono still
2017-05-13 20:15 <daveray> Probably too bleeding new
2017-05-13 20:15 <Ubit> yeap
2017-05-13 20:15 <daveray> 4.6.1 works fine
2017-05-13 20:15 <Ubit> i don't even ask for errors
2017-05-13 20:15 <daveray> ok thanks just checkin
2017-05-13 20:15 <Ubit> bc think no dev has it
2017-05-13 20:16 <Ubit> i only have win :)
2017-05-13 20:16 <daveray> just came out like a couple days ago
2017-05-13 20:16 <Ubit> well possible several others things fail with it
2017-05-13 20:17 <daveray> UDP initializing "Device not configured"
2017-05-13 20:18 <daveray> Same result built w/ xbuild and msbuild (which they say is replacing build)
2017-05-13 20:18 <daveray> (replacing build)
2017-05-13 20:18 <daveray> xbuild (damn spellchecker)
2017-05-13 20:19 <daveray> kk. thanks
2017-05-13 20:19 <Ubit> well  udp does work fine on win
2017-05-13 20:19 <Ubit> so guess mono broke it 
2017-05-13 20:19 <daveray> works fine w/4.6.1
2017-05-13 20:20 <Ubit> yeap.. guess they messed something
2017-05-13 20:20 <daveray> serves me right for trying anything with version x.0.0
2017-05-13 20:20 <Ubit> :)
2017-05-13 20:21 <Ubit> we will eventually to to it 
2017-05-13 20:21 <Ubit> in some 5yrs or so ;)
2017-05-13 20:21 <Ubit> will look i mean
2017-05-13 20:21 <daveray> Meanwhile no 4.x development?
2017-05-13 20:22 <Ubit> ?
2017-05-13 20:22 <daveray> Mono says is stable release.. obviously not
2017-05-13 20:22 <Ubit> we have issues even with some 4x
2017-05-13 20:22 <Ubit> some work others don't
2017-05-13 20:22 <daveray> ah.. has always works for me out of box
2017-05-13 20:23 <daveray> MacOS 10.7 & 10.12 both fine
2017-05-13 20:24 <daveray> people stop talking to me when I tell them I have MacOS :)
2017-05-13 20:25 <daveray> runs away :) lol actually gotta go.. thanks
2017-05-13 20:49 <Ubit> good he left.. i was stop talking to him.. MacOS really?
2017-05-13 20:49 <Ubit> ;)
2017-05-13 20:56 <Plugh>  :)
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2017-05-14 00:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #5518 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-05-14 00:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix some issue on parcels loading and make parcels dwell show something. Resolution is 2.5min aprox.
2017-05-14 03:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #5519 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-05-14 03:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix remote requests for dwell, so dwell module still called
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2017-05-14 04:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #5520 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-05-14 04:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  don't do dwell if there is no module active
2017-05-14 04:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #5521 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-05-14 04:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  don't round to nearest int
2017-05-14 05:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #5522 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-05-14 05:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: clear land object on delete
2017-05-14 17:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #5523 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-05-14 18:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Updated Npgsql.dll to version 2.0.14.3 built for .NET 4.0 Mono.Security has been updated for the same build.
2017-05-14 18:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #5524 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-05-14 18:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Update NPGSQL from version 2.0.14.3 to 2.1.3. This is a relatively big update where 2.1.0 has a number of bug fixes, new functionality and improved performance. (see details at https://github.com/npgsql/npgsql/releases/tag/v2.1.0) The binaries supplied are for .NET 4.0 If you need binaries for older versions they can be dowloaded from https://github.com/npgsql/npgsql/releases/tag/v2.1.3. There are also binaries for 4.5.
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2017-05-15 17:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #5525 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-05-15 17:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove a Paralell.For (actually not used). That kind of fine gained multitask makes no sense on already heavy multitasked server application like opensim. CPU cores are already busy or needed elsewhere.
2017-05-15 17:10 <Ubit> err
2017-05-15 17:11 <Ubit> oops
2017-05-15 17:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #5526 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5524 23 hr ago)
2017-05-15 17:18 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2017-05-15 17:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5526: FIXED in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5526/
2017-05-15 17:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops...
2017-05-15 17:32 <Plugh> oops?
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2017-05-16 17:07 <Matova> does anyone knows how to upload mesh to active prim select to ubode ? method rentain% is none to OpenSim firestorm
2017-05-16 17:21 <djphil> Matova : Want to be able to select "Prim" on the Features / Physical Form Type? That's right?
2017-05-16 17:21 <Matova> yes, but has only 2 options
2017-05-16 17:21 <djphil> oki
2017-05-16 17:21 <Matova> never prim
2017-05-16 17:21 <Matova> to ubOde
2017-05-16 17:22 <djphil> on the upload windows, tab "Physics" choice a LOD (Level of detail)
2017-05-16 17:22 <djphil> and DONT USE ANALYSE BUTTON !!!
2017-05-16 17:23 <Ubit> btw the 2 choices are viewer selection from the mesh data.. not ubOde selection..  ubOde only obeys to that, unlike bullet
2017-05-16 17:23 <Matova> u mean choose high?
2017-05-16 17:24 <Ubit> and on upload the mesh is set to convex by default, change it to prim
2017-05-16 17:24 <djphil> lowest is good
2017-05-16 17:24 <Matova> let me try
2017-05-16 17:24 <Ubit> depends on the collisions resolution you need
2017-05-16 17:24 <Matova> to join inside
2017-05-16 17:25 <djphil> or From file if you know how to create custom LOD :p
2017-05-16 17:25 <Ubit> if you want fine detail also on collisnos and the mesh is not very big choose high
2017-05-16 17:25 <Ubit> etc
2017-05-16 17:25 <djphil> i think the better is "From file"
2017-05-16 17:25 <Ubit> yeap if you are good making meshs, i blender or other thing you can create a special mesh for physics
2017-05-16 17:26 <djphil> With this option you can customise and optimise your Physics LOD
2017-05-16 17:26 <Matova> hum.. Let me see
2017-05-16 17:26 <Ubit> ie one where you reduce the vertices and triangles where they don't matter for physics
2017-05-16 17:26 <Ubit> ( stairs can be just a ramp for example )
2017-05-16 17:27 <Ubit> well this is just like SL.. nothing new with ubOde
2017-05-16 17:39 <Plugh> djphil: What is the problem with using the analyze button?
2017-05-16 17:39 <Matova> same result. ubOde has a problem to upload mesh, not same
2017-05-16 17:39 <Matova> without ubOde works fine
2017-05-16 17:39 <Ubit> ubOde as no problem 
2017-05-16 17:39 <Ubit> do it right
2017-05-16 17:40 <Matova> not problem, but different to upload maybe
2017-05-16 17:40 <Ubit> where are u testing ?
2017-05-16 17:40 <Plugh> Matova: The mesh is no good after you uploaded it, or is it not letting you upload the mesh object?
2017-05-16 17:40 <Ubit> ( and did you select ubOdeMeshmerizer also = 
2017-05-16 17:44 <Ubit> well if u want u can test on my osg region
2017-05-16 17:44 <Ubit> in a few
2017-05-16 17:45 <Ubit> and UNDERSTAND  if viewer does not show PRIM you did upload it wrong
2017-05-16 17:45 <djphil> Plugh: It's Ubit who said not to use this button in the past
2017-05-16 17:45 <Ubit> ( wrong if you want to use prim  of course )
2017-05-16 17:45 <djphil> maybee we can now :p
2017-05-16 17:46 <Ubit> the analyse2?  nahh
2017-05-16 17:46 <djphil> hehe
2017-05-16 17:46 <Plugh> :)
2017-05-16 17:46 <Ubit> no use for ubOde, and the viewer can close holes with it
2017-05-16 17:46 <djphil> i don't i don't
2017-05-16 17:47 <Matova> hey, Ubit.. I did as u told me and comes with Prim
2017-05-16 17:47 <Ubit> then select prim
2017-05-16 17:48 <Matova> yes, work
2017-05-16 17:48 <Ubit> works?
2017-05-16 17:48 <djphil> Congratulation :)
2017-05-16 17:48 <Ubit> Yeuuaaapppy another non issue solved
2017-05-16 17:48 <Ubit> hihihihi
2017-05-16 17:48 <Matova> yes :) let me talk with my friend to test, she doing some new 
2017-05-16 17:48 <Matova> more less
2017-05-16 17:49 <Ubit> this is just like SL
2017-05-16 17:49 <Matova> cause without ubode no have this problem.
2017-05-16 17:49 <Ubit> nothing new..
2017-05-16 17:49 <djphil> ubOde != Bullet ... hihi
2017-05-16 17:49 <Ubit> the "strange" thing is bullet... :p )
2017-05-16 17:49 <Matova> ubOde is cool
2017-05-16 17:49 <Ubit> that does prim where there is no prim to do 
2017-05-16 17:50 <Matova> I love ubOde really
2017-05-16 17:50 <Plugh> It would be nice to have the mesh upload information written down in a wiki page.
2017-05-16 17:50 <Ubit> ohh carefull it will bite u also ;)
2017-05-16 17:50 <djphil> +1 Plugh :p
2017-05-16 17:50 <Matova> Plugh: agree
2017-05-16 17:50 <Ubit> Plugh is on tons of SL related wikis :)
2017-05-16 17:51 <Matova> but SL is SL :) OpenSim is OpenSim :)
2017-05-16 17:51 <Ubit> how to upload.. how to make them better etc
2017-05-16 17:51 <Plugh> That doesn't help with OS.
2017-05-16 17:51 <Plugh> SL doesn't have ubODE or BulletSim.
2017-05-16 17:51 <Ubit> but ubOde does (almost) as sl
2017-05-16 17:51 <Plugh> AFAICR, you have to hit the analyze button or you don't get the option to upload the mesh.
2017-05-16 17:51 <Ubit> jsut that double side issue..
2017-05-16 17:51 <Matova> to correct upload using ubOde is a bit different.
2017-05-16 17:51 <Ubit> but only ppl that do the meshs need to worry about it
2017-05-16 17:52 <djphil> Matova : good to know > http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Physics_Optimization
2017-05-16 17:52 <Ubit> NO it is not its like SL
2017-05-16 17:52 <Plugh> I want to do more with mesh if I can find out how we are supposed to go about uploading it and what the limitations are depending on which engine I'm using.
2017-05-16 17:52 <Plugh> which physics engine
2017-05-16 17:52 <Ubit> if you want a mesh only for a avatar, without collisions, you upload with no physics selected
2017-05-16 17:53 <Ubit> ( it will be convex or prim )
2017-05-16 17:53 <Ubit> oops
2017-05-16 17:53 <Ubit> ( it will be convex or none )
2017-05-16 17:53 <djphil> for Avatar lowest is good
2017-05-16 17:53 <Matova> to av works fine. To house take some problem sometimes
2017-05-16 17:53 <Ubit> or it its a very large mesh that can't be used for physics also
2017-05-16 17:54 <Ubit> ( colliders for it are added as other prims inworld )
2017-05-16 17:54 <Ubit> that what to do for cars for example
2017-05-16 17:54 <djphil> now we need Flexy mesh :p
2017-05-16 17:54 <Ubit> the mesh is only to see..
2017-05-16 17:54 <Ubit> ( unlles you can do a dedicated one for physics, of course )
2017-05-16 17:55 <Ubit> but usually is just better to add a few hidden boxes in world
2017-05-16 17:55 <Plugh> Ubit says that mesh upload info is on tons of SL related wikis then says it is not like SL.
2017-05-16 17:55 <Plugh> :P
2017-05-16 17:55 <djphil> Hmmm SL mesh and LOD information can be found here : http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mesh_and_LOD
2017-05-16 17:55 <Ubit> i said that it is almost like SL
2017-05-16 17:55 <djphil> ubOde != Avok :p
2017-05-16 17:56 <Ubit> the dif that exists is only for specialized builders
2017-05-16 17:56 <Ubit> that do tiny meshs for physics..  ubOde needs them to be a bit less tiny that sl 
2017-05-16 17:56 <Ubit> special cases..
2017-05-16 17:57 <Ubit> ... 106 failures.
2017-05-16 17:57 <Ubit> uff
2017-05-16 17:57 <Plugh> specialized in what sense? Just for tiny mesh?
2017-05-16 17:58 <Ubit> single side collisions
2017-05-16 17:58 <Ubit> if u don't understand, u don't need to understand :P
2017-05-16 17:58 <Plugh> I need to understand if it makes the differences between a good usable mesh item and a broken one.
2017-05-16 17:59 <Ubit> you do meshs in blender or 3dmax?
2017-05-16 17:59 <Ubit> you can teach ppl how to make them ?
2017-05-16 17:59 <Plugh> They would come from Blender as I have to use it to convert a file to dae.
2017-05-16 18:00 <Ubit> i said make.. not convert
2017-05-16 18:00 <djphil> lol
2017-05-16 18:00 <Plugh> neither
2017-05-16 18:00 <Plugh> Rhinoceros 3D
2017-05-16 18:00 <Ubit> its as sinple as i said
2017-05-16 18:00 <Ubit> ubOde only does single side collisions
2017-05-16 18:01 <Ubit> on triangles faces..
2017-05-16 18:01 <djphil> You can bypass this
2017-05-16 18:01 <Plugh> I use physics from mesh file and I use the analyze button when I upload to a BulletSim enabled region.
2017-05-16 18:02 <djphil> By creating a copy on site and reverse faces ...
2017-05-16 18:02 <Plugh> you mean flip the normals?
2017-05-16 18:02 <djphil> yeap
2017-05-16 18:02 <Arielle_> tuesday  noon dev meeting  starting. Even devs  welcome to attend :)
2017-05-16 18:02 <djphil> you can use Analyse with Bullet Plugh
2017-05-16 18:02 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid.
2017-05-16 18:02 <djphil> but not with ubOde
2017-05-16 18:03 <Plugh> djphil: I also use it when I upload to mystandalone running ubODE.
2017-05-16 18:03 <Matova> yes, bullet allow analyse.
2017-05-16 18:03 <Matova> it was my issue
2017-05-16 18:03 <Matova> testing ubOde
2017-05-16 18:04 <djphil> You should not use with ubOde Plugh
2017-05-16 18:04 <Plugh> ok but why?
2017-05-16 18:04 <djphil> ask Ubit :p
2017-05-16 18:04 <Plugh> afaik, if I don't use the analyze button it won't ungray the button to upload the mesh.
2017-05-16 18:09 <djphil> where is the meeting Plugh ?
2017-05-16 18:10 <Arielle_> Projet Secret
2017-05-16 18:10 <Arielle_> Osgrid
2017-05-16 18:18 <djphil> recieve a TP inworld :)
2017-05-16 18:18 <djphil> ty Arielle_
2017-05-16 19:56 <djphil> Hmmm i find the path :p
2017-05-16 19:57 <Arielle_> today the path, tommorrow the carousel
2017-05-16 19:57 <djphil> ^^
2017-05-16 20:15 <Ubit> 
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2017-05-16 20:17 <Ubit> why does a 24yrs old female for ivory coast wants to marry me??
2017-05-16 20:17 <Ubit> uff this emails...
2017-05-16 20:19 <djphil> And why does she want to marry me too :o
2017-05-16 20:19 <Ubit> lol
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2017-05-16 22:59 <Ubit> i hate jsonnnn :)
2017-05-16 22:59 <Ubit> lsl one
2017-05-16 23:30 <Plugh> :) Giving you lots of grief is it?
2017-05-17 01:41 <osmantis> Bug #7850:04 The ubODE version of llCastRay is very slow on var regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7850 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-17 02:33 <osmantis> Bug #7851:04 The ubODE version of llCastRay is measurably slower when pointing down 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7851 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-17 03:46 <osmantis> Bug #7851:04 The ubODE version of llCastRay is measurably slower when pointing down 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7851 ): has been CLOSED
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2017-05-17 11:23 <osmantis> Bug #8168:04 Object set as group being autoreturned on group owned region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8168 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-05-17 11:46 <osmantis> Bug #8168:04 Object set as group being autoreturned on group owned region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8168 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-17 11:59 <osmantis> Bug #8168:04 Object set as group being autoreturned on group owned region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8168 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-17 13:12 <osmantis> Bug #8168:04 Object set as group being autoreturned on group owned region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8168 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-17 14:45 <osmantis> Bug #8168:04 Object set as group being autoreturned on group owned region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8168 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-05-17 15:50 <osmantis> Bug #8127:04 List fetching functions (eg llList2Vector) are dog slow on Microsoft servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8127 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-05-17 16:24 <osmantis> Bug #8127:04 List fetching functions (eg llList2Vector) are dog slow on Microsoft servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-05-17 18:11 <osmantis> Bug #8127:04 List fetching functions (eg llList2Vector) are dog slow on Microsoft servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-17 18:14 <osmantis> Bug #8127:04 List fetching functions (eg llList2Vector) are dog slow on Microsoft servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-17 19:00 <osmantis> Bug #8127:04 List fetching functions (eg llList2Vector) are dog slow on Microsoft servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-17 19:01 <osmantis> Bug #8127:04 List fetching functions (eg llList2Vector) are dog slow on Microsoft servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-17 19:13 <osmantis> Bug #8127:04 List fetching functions (eg llList2Vector) are dog slow on Microsoft servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-17 19:41 <osmantis> Bug #8127:04 List fetching functions (eg llList2Vector) are dog slow on Microsoft servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-17 19:59 <osmantis> Bug #8127:04 List fetching functions (eg llList2Vector) are dog slow on Microsoft servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-17 20:00 <Ubit> did i said i hate lsl json? :p
2017-05-17 20:11 <Plugh> :)
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2017-05-17 23:27 <osmantis> Bug #8127:04 List fetching functions (eg llList2Vector) are dog slow on Microsoft servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8127 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-05-18 15:04 <Matova> does sometimes, "always run" back to "walk" without do it ? I see it occur a few times. So need press control + R 2  or 3 times to back to run again
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2017-05-19 01:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #5527 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2017-05-19 02:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5527: SUCCESS in 7 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5527/
2017-05-19 02:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv LitJSON to version 0.9.0
2017-05-19 02:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #5528 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-19 02:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5528: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5528/
2017-05-19 02:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reWrite lsl json functions, forward slash is not escaped as LitJson spec; code can use some cleanup. Scripts need to be recompiled
2017-05-19 04:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #5529 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-19 04:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5529: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5529/
2017-05-19 04:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change some confusing comands help
2017-05-19 15:10 <Matova> does anyone got an issue about "always run" ? a few times stop to run without to press control R.
2017-05-19 15:52 <osmantis> Bug #8169:04 Setting a parcel to group doesn't stick after a region restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8169 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-05-19 16:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #5530 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-19 16:38 <osmantis> Bug #8169:04 Setting a parcel to group doesn't stick after a region restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8169 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-19 16:41 <Matova> about stop to run I did a video: https://youtu.be/4L36_SwMhL4 stop to run after get teleport
2017-05-19 16:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5530: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5530/
2017-05-19 16:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix land parcel group been lost on region upload
2017-05-19 17:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #5531 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-19 17:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5531: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5531/
2017-05-19 17:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a null ref on parcels join
2017-05-19 18:07 <osmantis> Bug #8170:04 Always Run stop to run after get teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8170 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-05-19 18:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #5532 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-19 18:53 <osmantis> Bug #8170:04 Always Run stop to run after get teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8170 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-19 18:54 <osmantis> Bug #8169:04 Setting a parcel to group doesn't stick after a region restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8169 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-19 18:54 <osmantis> Bug #8169:04 Setting a parcel to group doesn't stick after a region restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8169 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008168.
2017-05-19 18:54 <osmantis> Bug #8168:04 Object set as group being autoreturned on group owned region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8168 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008169.
2017-05-19 18:56 <osmantis> Bug #8169:04 Setting a parcel to group doesn't stick after a region restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8169 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-19 18:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5532: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5532/
2017-05-19 18:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8170: let physics know Always_run on adding the avatar
2017-05-19 20:17 <osmantis> Bug #8170:04 Always Run stop to run after get teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8170 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-05-20 07:19 <osmantis> Bug #8169:04 Setting a parcel to group doesn't stick after a region restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8169 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-05-20 12:31 <Matova> just a question: Are there a form to disable the object property option "export" ? what can do case export checked? I can´t uncheck this option and I dont know how it works to normal users.
2017-05-20 13:25 <Ubit> export flag is broken..  eacg viewer has its own idea about it
2017-05-20 14:17 <Matova> so, not is a problem to us, right?
2017-05-20 15:35 <Matova> does need some special config to  llHTTPRequest works ? to linux normal, to win nothing.
2017-05-20 15:41 <Matova> hey, I did it:     region_owner_is_god = false     region_manager_is_god = false    parcel_owner_is_god = false # llHTTPRequest stop to work
2017-05-20 15:47 <osmantis> Bug #8171:04 llHTTPRequest stop to work when set some god parameters to false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8171 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-05-20 16:14 <osmantis> Bug #8171:04 llHTTPRequest stop to work when set some god parameters to false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8171 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-20 16:22 <osmantis> Bug #8171:04 llHTTPRequest stop to work when set some god parameters to false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8171 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-20 16:22 <osmantis> Bug #8171:04 llHTTPRequest stop to work when set some god parameters to false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8171 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-20 16:24 <osmantis> Bug #8171:04 llHTTPRequest stop to work when set some god parameters to false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8171 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-20 17:03 <osmantis> Bug #8171:04 llHTTPRequest stop to work when set some god parameters to false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8171 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-20 17:19 <osmantis> Bug #8171:04 llHTTPRequest stop to work when set some god parameters to false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8171 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-20 18:42 <osmantis> Bug #8172:04 llJsonGetValue on complex json results in empty list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8172 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-05-20 18:55 <osmantis> Bug #8172:04 llJsonGetValue on complex json results in empty list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8172 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-20 18:56 <osmantis> Bug #8172:04 llJsonGetValue on complex json results in empty list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8172 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-05-20 20:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #5533 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-20 20:32 <osmantis> Bug #8172:04 llJsonGetValue on complex json results in empty list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8172 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-20 20:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5533: SUCCESS in 5 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5533/
2017-05-20 20:36 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8171 fix redirection on llHttpRequest
2017-05-20 20:36 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8172: fix  llList2Json() in case of vector or rotation types
2017-05-20 21:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #5534 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-20 21:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5534: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5534/
2017-05-20 21:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a cast that makes LitJson unhappy
2017-05-20 22:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #5535 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-20 22:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5535: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5535/
2017-05-20 22:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix a null ref in ubOde character
2017-05-20 23:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #5536 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-20 23:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5536: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5536/
2017-05-20 23:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  on recover form nom finite avatar pos, don't add it physics it it had none
2017-05-20 23:59 <Ubit> non not nom :)
2017-05-21 00:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #5537 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-21 00:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5537: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5537/
2017-05-21 00:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add a bit more protection for broken scripts like ingen-e3s-v1.33
2017-05-21 01:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #5538 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-21 01:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5538: SUCCESS in 5 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5538/
2017-05-21 01:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove LongPoll type and queues. Events should now have reduced latency also. About previus commit, it maybe a modified ingen-e3s-v1.33 script that is broken, and not the original version, can't tell
2017-05-21 01:25 <Ubit> hmm forgot to say FLOOD :)
2017-05-21 01:25 <BlueWall> o/
2017-05-21 01:26 <Ubit> :)
2017-05-21 01:26 <Ubit> hI BlueWall.. all good?
2017-05-21 01:27 <BlueWall> Yes, Thanks. How about you?
2017-05-21 01:27 <Ubit> good thx
2017-05-21 01:53 <fw0rd> is there any reason in opensim 0.8.2 that llRequestURL would convert the . in .com to a dash?
2017-05-21 01:54 <fw0rd> I went through all of my config files and there's no reference to site-com anywhere, but llRequestURL keeps coming back with site-com instead of site.com
2017-05-21 01:56 <fw0rd> ok, figured out that it's just grabbing the hostname, must be because it's an old version, yay
2017-05-21 01:56 <Ubit> :)
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2017-05-21 04:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #5539 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-21 04:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5539: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5539/
2017-05-21 04:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cross avatar group info also if  title is empty string
2017-05-21 11:19 <osmantis> Bug #8173:04 llGiveInventory does not auto inventory refresh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8173 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-05-21 11:28 <osmantis> Bug #8172:04 llJsonGetValue on complex json results in empty list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8172 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 11:32 <osmantis> Bug #8173:04 llGiveInventory does not auto inventory refresh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8173 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 13:10 <osmantis> Bug #8172:04 llJsonGetValue on complex json results in empty list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8172 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007984.
2017-05-21 13:10 <osmantis> Bug #7984:04 llList2Json 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7984 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008172.
2017-05-21 15:21 <osmantis> Bug #8172:04 llJsonGetValue on complex json results in empty list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8172 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 15:22 <osmantis> Bug #8172:04 llJsonGetValue on complex json results in empty list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8172 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 15:29 <osmantis> Bug #7984:04 llList2Json 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7984 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 15:35 <osmantis> Bug #7984:04 llList2Json 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7984 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 15:46 <osmantis> Bug #7984:04 llList2Json 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7984 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 15:47 <osmantis> Bug #8172:04 llJsonGetValue on complex json results in empty list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8172 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 16:16 <osmantis> Bug #8172:04 llJsonGetValue on complex json results in empty list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8172 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 16:28 <osmantis> Bug #8172:04 llJsonGetValue on complex json results in empty list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8172 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 16:32 <osmantis> Bug #8172:04 llJsonGetValue on complex json results in empty list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8172 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-05-21 16:40 <osmantis> Bug #8172:04 llJsonGetValue on complex json results in empty list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8172 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 16:41 <osmantis> Bug #8173:04 llGiveInventory does not auto inventory refresh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8173 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 17:37 <osmantis> Bug #8173:04 llGiveInventory does not auto inventory refresh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8173 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 18:04 <osmantis> Bug #8173:04 llGiveInventory does not auto inventory refresh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8173 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 18:09 <osmantis> Bug #8173:04 llGiveInventory does not auto inventory refresh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8173 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 18:25 <osmantis> Bug #8173:04 llGiveInventory does not auto inventory refresh 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8173 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 21:39 <osmantis> Bug #8174:04 Teleport doesn't put agent at expected height (ubODE) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8174 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-05-21 21:46 <osmantis> Bug #8174:04 Teleport doesn't put agent at expected height (ubODE) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8174 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 21:51 <osmantis> Bug #8174:04 Teleport doesn't put agent at expected height (ubODE) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8174 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 21:55 <osmantis> Bug #8174:04 Teleport doesn't put agent at expected height (ubODE) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8174 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 21:57 <osmantis> Bug #8174:04 Teleport doesn't put agent at expected height (ubODE) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8174 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 21:59 <osmantis> Bug #8174:04 Teleport doesn't put agent at expected height (ubODE) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8174 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 22:02 <osmantis> Bug #8174:04 Teleport doesn't put agent at expected height (ubODE) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8174 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 22:06 <osmantis> Bug #8174:04 Teleport doesn't put agent at expected height (ubODE) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8174 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 22:08 <osmantis> Bug #8174:04 Teleport doesn't put agent at expected height (ubODE) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8174 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 22:15 <osmantis> Bug #8174:04 Teleport doesn't put agent at expected height (ubODE) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8174 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 22:17 <osmantis> Bug #8174:04 Teleport doesn't put agent at expected height (ubODE) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8174 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 22:24 <osmantis> Bug #8174:04 Teleport doesn't put agent at expected height (ubODE) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8174 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 22:33 <osmantis> Bug #8174:04 Teleport doesn't put agent at expected height (ubODE) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8174 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 22:34 <osmantis> Bug #8174:04 Teleport doesn't put agent at expected height (ubODE) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8174 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 22:37 <osmantis> Bug #8174:04 Teleport doesn't put agent at expected height (ubODE) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8174 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-21 22:40 <osmantis> Bug #8174:04 Teleport doesn't put agent at expected height (ubODE) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8174 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-05-22 02:10 <osmantis> Bug #8171:04 llHTTPRequest stop to work when set some god parameters to false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8171 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-22 02:14 <Matova> teleport stop to work after a time Online. Need relog to work again. (running last master dev)
2017-05-22 02:16 <Ubit> win or/nad linux?
2017-05-22 02:20 <Ubit> and how long?
2017-05-22 02:20 <Ubit> and what does console say? :)
2017-05-22 02:21 <Matova> windows
2017-05-22 02:21 <Matova> to linux works perfect 
2017-05-22 02:21 <Matova> let me check console
2017-05-22 02:21 <Ubit> thats strange
2017-05-22 02:21 <Matova> ops.. linux too
2017-05-22 02:22 <Matova> win and linux cant teleport after a time online, sorry
2017-05-22 02:24 <Matova> hunf lol I need wait next time, cause did relog. But I see this issue for some days
2017-05-22 02:24 <Ubit> how long?
2017-05-22 02:24 <Ubit> and where are u testing.. tp where ?
2017-05-22 02:25 <Ubit> and does console say anything when you try ?
2017-05-22 02:25 <Matova> same instance and other instance
2017-05-22 02:25 <Matova> I will wait next time, :( to get the console.
2017-05-22 02:27 <Matova> same as llHttpRequest. To linux works fine but to Win stop to work after a time too. Dont know why yet. Maybe after teleport by MAP
2017-05-22 04:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #5540 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-22 04:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5540: SUCCESS in 5 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5540/
2017-05-22 04:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: disable keepalive on llHttpRequest
2017-05-22 04:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #5541 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-22 05:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5541: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5541/
2017-05-22 05:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make sure we drop requests if DoHTTPGruntWork fails
2017-05-22 08:51 <osmantis> Bug #8175:04 "Modify perms granted" notice shows on every visit to foreign grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8175 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-05-22 12:21 <osmantis> Bug #8175:04 "Modify perms granted" notice shows on every visit to foreign grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8175 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-22 13:38 <osmantis> Bug #8176:04 PGSQL: Another missing cast in XInventoryData 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8176 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-05-22 13:38 <osmantis> Bug #8176:04 PGSQL: Another missing cast in XInventoryData 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8176 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2017-05-22 13:38 <osmantis> Bug #8176:04 PGSQL: Another missing cast in XInventoryData 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8176 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-05-22 13:39 <osmantis> Bug #8176:04 PGSQL: Another missing cast in XInventoryData 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8176 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-05-22 13:39 <osmantis> Bug #8176:04 PGSQL: Another missing cast in XInventoryData 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8176 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-05-22 14:47 <Ubit> Matova.. left my region running for hours
2017-05-22 14:47 <Ubit> and all is working
2017-05-22 15:18 <Matova> hi
2017-05-22 15:18 <Matova> I got the message :)
2017-05-22 15:18 <Matova> I am online for some hours and now got the issue
2017-05-22 15:18 <Matova> look
2017-05-22 15:18 <Matova> http://prntscr.com/fasad7
2017-05-22 15:18 <Matova> I am trying to get teleport
2017-05-22 15:18 <Ubit> cant' repo
2017-05-22 15:19 <Matova> http://prntscr.com/fasast
2017-05-22 15:19 <Ubit> left my also running and its five
2017-05-22 15:19 <Ubit> fine
2017-05-22 15:19 <Matova> problems connecting to destination : connection between viewer and destination region could not be estabilished"
2017-05-22 15:20 <Matova> but It just when I am online for long time
2017-05-22 15:20 <Matova> case relog I can go to teleport
2017-05-22 15:20 <Matova> so, the connection between both sim, is ok
2017-05-22 15:21 <Ubit> both tps and llhttpreq are fine
2017-05-22 15:22 <Ubit> so ive no idea :(
2017-05-22 15:22 <Matova> I am long time on the mono linux instance. If I am trying to tp to same instance or to win/.NT will do same result
2017-05-22 15:22 <Matova> Yes, I am trying to understand too
2017-05-22 15:23 <Matova> takes timeout
2017-05-22 15:25 <Matova> says too: "[LOGHTTP]: Slow handling of 348 PUT / agent/UUID.."
2017-05-22 15:26 <Ubit> hmm slow comms for some reason
2017-05-22 15:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #5542 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-22 15:29 <Matova> [SCENE]: Region <region_name> authenticated and authorized incoming child agent <av_name> <uuid> <circuit code 1050419969>
2017-05-22 15:29 <Ubit> ok part of the http tp did work
2017-05-22 15:30 <Ubit> on the other.. you see tp complet message?
2017-05-22 15:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5542: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5542/
2017-05-22 15:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: PGSQL: Another missing cast in XInventoryData
2017-05-22 15:32 <Matova> TP stop and comes the message: Teleport Failed. Problems connecting to destination <land_name>. Reason: Connection between viewer and destination region could not be established"
2017-05-22 15:33 <Ubit> so its viewer not talking to region
2017-05-22 15:33 <Matova> but.. if I do relog, TP works. So the connection between both sim is allowed. The first message from the console says about success connection to both sim
2017-05-22 15:33 <Matova> yes
2017-05-22 15:33 <Matova> maybe the issue is the viewer
2017-05-22 15:34 <Ubit> hmm can be several things
2017-05-22 15:34 <Matova> I see some problems with firestorm 32 bits
2017-05-22 15:34 <Ubit> region may also not be giving correct info
2017-05-22 15:35 <Matova> buy why after relog works fine? I will relog 
2017-05-22 15:35 <Ubit> thats part of the "why" we need to find ;)
2017-05-22 15:36 <Matova> yes lol
2017-05-22 15:38 <Matova> Cause when I am programing I stay long time without to move, only doing scripts. But this is not a problem. Cause I can to move normal on the current sim.
2017-05-22 15:52 <Ubit> well issues seem unrelated
2017-05-22 15:59 <Matova> I will do more tests to see
2017-05-22 16:04 <Ubit> u have hg enabled?
2017-05-22 16:04 <Matova> no no
2017-05-22 16:04 <Ubit> ok
2017-05-22 16:04 <Ubit> i just following some code paths
2017-05-22 16:08 <Matova> now working fine. I am getting many teleports. I will test more in some hours too. To try to get the moment of the issue. But I believe. Maybe is the viewer. Not the OpenSim Code.
2017-05-22 18:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #5543 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-22 18:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5543: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5543/
2017-05-22 18:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix IClientIPEndpoint broken by justin long ago.. but stop using it
2017-05-22 19:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #5544 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-22 19:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5544: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5544/
2017-05-22 19:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove some code for NAT that was disabled by its author Adam Frisby since 2009, and i don't see how to mk work with current viewers at that point at least
2017-05-22 20:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #5545 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-22 20:23 <diva_> hi Ubit. I'm baaack. Everything good with permissions?
2017-05-22 20:24 <Ubit> no reports :(
2017-05-22 20:24 <Ubit> well good and bad that :)
2017-05-22 20:25 <Ubit> well did had private complains..  but not clear if  from a real issue, or person just unhappy with some legal change
2017-05-22 20:25 <Ubit> was about editing objects with a HG alt.. so guess.. legal change :)
2017-05-22 20:26 <diva_> ok. I'm now going to test what's going on with HG stuff. Haven't tested it yet
2017-05-22 20:26 <diva_> let's consider permissions working correctly
2017-05-22 20:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5545: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5545/
2017-05-22 20:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  receivers can't tell if there where proxies on path unless they look
2017-05-22 20:29 <Ubit> ok
2017-05-22 20:29 <Ubit> ( i did mess it a bit.. on url formats etc )
2017-05-22 20:32 <diva_> I don't even know how to test 7908
2017-05-22 20:33 <Ubit> need a robust on a mono 4x i guess
2017-05-22 20:33 <diva_> what else?
2017-05-22 20:33 <Ubit> no idea :)
2017-05-22 20:33 <Ubit> err
2017-05-22 20:33 <diva_> smxy ping
2017-05-22 20:33 <Ubit> sure
2017-05-22 20:34 <Ubit> some region that has a ip with wrong reverse of course
2017-05-22 20:34 <diva_> how would I get that?
2017-05-22 20:35 <Ubit> ask yr dns manager to break one? :)
2017-05-22 20:35 <diva_> how?
2017-05-22 20:36 <Ubit> or mb some of yr dns already don't have reverse?
2017-05-22 20:36 <Ubit> home ones?
2017-05-22 20:41 <osmantis> Bug #7908:04 OpenSim broken with respect to Melanie's recommended Mono, re: reverse DNS lookups that don't match the forward lookup. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7908 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-22 21:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #5546 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-22 21:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5546: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5546/
2017-05-22 21:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  check XFF headers of caller, but be quiet about them
2017-05-22 21:41 <diva_> ugh
2017-05-22 21:42 <diva_> can't seem to be able to compile opensim in this box
2017-05-22 21:42 <Ubit> ugh ugh
2017-05-22 21:42 <diva_> grrrr
2017-05-22 21:42 <diva_> something about the wrong net framework I think
2017-05-22 21:42 <Ubit> unclen bin?
2017-05-22 21:42 <Ubit> oops .net hmm master is still 4.0
2017-05-22 21:43 <Ubit> ( with code that is actually 0.0000...0001 ;) )
2017-05-22 21:43 <diva_> can someone tell me what's wrong here? https://pastebin.com/LnxM99c7
2017-05-22 21:45 <Ubit> `System.Int32' is not defined or imported outch :)
2017-05-22 21:49 <Ubit> If there is a warning similar to:
2017-05-22 21:49 <Ubit> You can override the .NET Framework on the command line:
2017-05-22 21:49 <Ubit> xbuild /p:TargetFrameworkVersion="v4.0"
2017-05-22 21:49 <diva_> I know this has something to do with wriong .net versions
2017-05-22 21:49 <diva_> but I have no idea how to fix this
2017-05-22 21:50 <Ubit> found that on google
2017-05-22 21:50 <BlueWall> did you build on that box before?
2017-05-22 21:50 <Ubit> ahh help arrived :)
2017-05-22 21:51 <BlueWall> Never seen anythihng like that.
2017-05-22 21:52 <Ubit> guess mono is confused with the framework.. or broken install
2017-05-22 21:53 <diva_> this is a new box. I removed mono and installed it again
2017-05-22 21:53 <BlueWall> I beleive the reference to 4.5 can be ignored because that is the compiler that is being used.
2017-05-22 21:53 <BlueWall> what distro diva?
2017-05-22 21:53 <diva_> CentOS
2017-05-22 21:54 <BlueWall> maybe this can give some clues...
2017-05-22 21:54 <BlueWall> https://gist.github.com/andreazevedo/9479518
2017-05-22 21:55 <diva_> that's an old version of mono
2017-05-22 21:55 <BlueWall> I only used that distro for a brief time a good while ago
2017-05-22 21:56 <diva_> I mean mono seems to install ok. Unless I'm forgetting some package
2017-05-22 21:57 <BlueWall> what version of CentOS?
2017-05-22 21:57 <diva_> 7
2017-05-22 22:00 <diva_> I"m trying this https://gist.github.com/herberthamaral/b05065498918073b76ad
2017-05-22 22:01 <diva_> ok this works, but I get a warning on using xbuild
2017-05-22 22:01 <diva_> it says xbuild is deprecated?
2017-05-22 22:01 <diva_> This instaloled mono 5 btw
2017-05-22 22:01 <Ubit> yeap blue told that not its msbuild
2017-05-22 22:01 <Ubit> now
2017-05-22 22:02 <Ubit> but seems mono 5 fails to compile opensim
2017-05-22 22:02 <Ubit> but BlueWall can tell more.. he tested that
2017-05-22 22:03 <diva_> so far so good, but hasn't finished yet
2017-05-22 22:03 <BlueWall> it will warn that xbuild is going away and to use msbuild - but Prebuild.exe is making bad *.csprj files
2017-05-22 22:04 <BlueWall> we can use xbuild for time being.
2017-05-22 22:06 <diva_> it compiled!
2017-05-22 22:06 <diva_> BlueWall did you have trouble compiling on mono 5?
2017-05-22 22:06 <BlueWall> \o/
2017-05-22 22:06 <BlueWall> not really - I tried msbuild and it was broken
2017-05-22 22:07 <diva_> ok, well this works so far
2017-05-22 22:07 <BlueWall> I mad a change in Prebuild to allow it, but it breaks xbuild
2017-05-22 22:07 <diva_> let me try to run it now
2017-05-22 22:07 <BlueWall> should run pretty good
2017-05-22 22:08 <BlueWall> a new GC is supposed to work in the background, and that will stop the lurches we have seen in the past whe it runs (collects)
2017-05-22 22:09 <diva_> hmm doesn't want to quit
2017-05-22 22:09 <BlueWall> that is an issue
2017-05-22 22:09 <BlueWall> are you in screen?
2017-05-22 22:09 <Ubit> no quit is a isue reported yes :(
2017-05-22 22:09 <diva_> yes
2017-05-22 22:10 <BlueWall> Ctrl+a + k
2017-05-22 22:10 <diva_> this is the robust server
2017-05-22 22:10 <BlueWall> to kill the screen and process
2017-05-22 22:10 <diva_> why is this happening?
2017-05-22 22:10 <Ubit> mono likes our code so much that never wants to quit :p
2017-05-22 22:10 <diva_> and is this in linux only?
2017-05-22 22:10 <diva_> I don't remember seeing this in windows
2017-05-22 22:10 <Ubit> yeap linux and recent monos
2017-05-22 22:10 <diva_> ugh
2017-05-22 22:10 <diva_> we need to fix this
2017-05-22 22:10 <diva_> it's annoying
2017-05-22 22:11 <BlueWall> I have tried to find out, but it seems to be threads not dieing off
2017-05-22 22:11 <BlueWall> yes
2017-05-22 22:11 <BlueWall> something neat - look under the tasks directory under /proc/opensim-pid/tasks
2017-05-22 22:12 <Ubit> mb some threads on win are background ones ( don't hold the application) and not on mono
2017-05-22 22:12 <BlueWall> used to see all the threads in there under separate process
2017-05-22 22:12 <BlueWall> We may have to kill the threads off before exiting?
2017-05-22 22:13 <Ubit> possible we do need to clean some yes
2017-05-22 22:13 <BlueWall> At any rate, in the debugger, it exits the program (last line of code) then hangs.
2017-05-22 22:13 <Ubit> u can't get a image of what threads are active on that quit ?
2017-05-22 22:14 <BlueWall> Well, I used to be able to see all the threads under the application's proc entry.
2017-05-22 22:14 <BlueWall> But now there is only one entry under "tasks"
2017-05-22 22:14 <Ubit> ( well or we can add a script wiht kill -9  and call it from the code on exit :p )
2017-05-22 22:14 <BlueWall> Looks like they changed the vm threading architecture
2017-05-22 22:15 <BlueWall> I will look into it further.
2017-05-22 22:15 <Ubit> i can't run mono
2017-05-22 22:15 <BlueWall> When the proce entry had all the threads - I could kill one of them and the application would exit.
2017-05-22 22:16 <BlueWall> Any one would work.
2017-05-22 22:16 <Ubit> odd
2017-05-22 22:16 <BlueWall> I still have some vm with older mono and I can test on them before updating
2017-05-22 22:17 <Ubit> well our exit code isn't still that clean
2017-05-22 22:18 <Ubit> guess somethings on mono now needed to be asked polite to exit
2017-05-22 22:18 <BlueWall> I guess we just jump ship and depend on the OS to clean up behind us
2017-05-22 22:18 <nebadon> hey BlueWall :)
2017-05-22 22:18 <BlueWall> Hey Neb - How goes it?
2017-05-22 22:19 <Ubit> well its OS job to do that...
2017-05-22 22:19 <Ubit> guess mono doesn't let the OS reach that point
2017-05-22 22:19 <nebadon> things are good, heading to Sweden in a few days :)
2017-05-22 22:19 <BlueWall> Haha - OS to User "Your Mama don't work here! Clean up your mess!"
2017-05-22 22:19 <nebadon> how things for you?
2017-05-22 22:19 <BlueWall> Awesome!
2017-05-22 22:19 <BlueWall> Not bad
2017-05-22 22:24 <nebadon> diva_ did you resolve problem/
2017-05-22 22:24 <nebadon> and what version of mono?
2017-05-22 22:24 <nebadon> pretty much you shouldnt use anything beyon 4.0.4
2017-05-22 22:24 <diva_> yes, it's fixed
2017-05-22 22:24 <diva_> mono 5
2017-05-22 22:24 <nebadon> unless you want trouble
2017-05-22 22:24 <nebadon> yea anything past 4.0.4 is bad news
2017-05-22 22:24 <nebadon> not just this, many other problems too
2017-05-22 22:25 <diva_> well I'll see!
2017-05-22 22:25 <nebadon> yea its especially bad for hypergrid
2017-05-22 22:25 <nebadon> because it caches DNS stuff
2017-05-22 22:25 <nebadon> and anyone with DHCP has trouble
2017-05-22 22:25 <BlueWall> I'm running pretty good on it since last night
2017-05-22 22:25 <nebadon> yea alot of the problems you might not notice
2017-05-22 22:25 <nebadon> on OSgrid the problems arise almot immediately
2017-05-22 22:26 <BlueWall> Hmm, I think that is a security thing - the reverse dns
2017-05-22 22:26 <nebadon> the DNS thing only way to fix it is restart the region
2017-05-22 22:26 <BlueWall> like, if you run smtp on a server w/o the ptr record, your mail will not get delivered.
2017-05-22 22:26 <nebadon> on a big open grid where thing are constantly changing, it just fails completely
2017-05-22 22:26 <nebadon> this is definitely a mono issue
2017-05-22 22:26 <nebadon> its pretty well documented
2017-05-22 22:27 <diva_> neb that's exactly the bug I'm trying to hit
2017-05-22 22:27 <BlueWall> ahhh
2017-05-22 22:27 <nebadon> yea its hard to recreate it
2017-05-22 22:27 <nebadon> in a controlled environment
2017-05-22 22:27 <BlueWall> looks like we only hit that 4-5 times 
2017-05-22 22:28 <nebadon> oh and the other bad one
2017-05-22 22:28 <nebadon> opensim can not shut down properly
2017-05-22 22:28 <BlueWall> yes
2017-05-22 22:28 <nebadon> that one sucks
2017-05-22 22:28 <BlueWall> it does
2017-05-22 22:29 <BlueWall> mono 5 has one process id under the tasks
2017-05-22 22:29 <smxy> Yeah, after my address changed, no one could get to my grid from Kitely for weeks until we figured out their Mono wasn't updating it's cache with my new address. Restarting their robust solved it.
2017-05-22 22:29 <nebadon> yea
2017-05-22 22:30 <nebadon> thats same problem OSgrid has
2017-05-22 22:30 <nebadon> we downgraded mono
2017-05-22 22:31 <smxy> Then there's the whole 'must have matching forward and reverse DNS lookups' issue, now.
2017-05-22 22:33 <smxy> Ubit and I were just discussing that one. I can usually work around it because I have my own DNS server where I can override the incorrect reverse entries and make sure OpenSim see one that matches the forward, but most people can't do that.
2017-05-22 22:36 <Ubit> two issues..  reverse dns  / cache TTL  i fear
2017-05-22 22:36 <Ubit> at least the reports point to that
2017-05-22 22:39 <Ubit> mantis 7566 seems even another issue ??
2017-05-22 22:39 <Ubit> or its just TTL ?
2017-05-22 22:40 <Ubit> its ttl i think
2017-05-22 22:41 <Ubit> Good news everyone, the latest mono alpha version (mono 4.3.2, available here: http://www.mono-project.com/download/alpha/ ) now supports ServicePointManager.DnsRefreshTimeout!
2017-05-22 22:42 <Ubit> hmm
2017-05-22 22:42 <smxy> Is that newer than 4.3.2.467? That's what I run.
2017-05-22 22:43 <Ubit> im just googling
2017-05-22 22:44 <Ubit> and odd..  bc ppl say the cache is only on httpwebrequest not on DNS.xx calls
2017-05-22 22:48 <nebadon> yea 4.3.2 is pretty much when the problem starts
2017-05-22 22:48 <nebadon> heh
2017-05-22 22:48 <nebadon> chances are we will have to fix it in our code
2017-05-22 22:48 <Ubit> ohh the oposite? lol
2017-05-22 22:48 <nebadon> i dont think its going to get fixed in mono
2017-05-22 22:48 <nebadon> I think technically its really more like 4.2 it breaks
2017-05-22 22:49 <nebadon> i never pinpointed exact version
2017-05-22 22:49 <nebadon> i just know 4.0.4 works
2017-05-22 22:49 <Ubit> The time-out value, in milliseconds. A value of -1 indicates an infinite time-out period. The default value is 120,000 milliseconds (two minutes).
2017-05-22 22:49 <Ubit> on win
2017-05-22 22:49 <nebadon> I guess what they did in 4.3.2
2017-05-22 22:49 <nebadon> is alllow people to program a way to do it manually
2017-05-22 22:50 <nebadon> since they broke it in some previous version
2017-05-22 22:50 <nebadon> it was probably never caching previously or something
2017-05-22 22:50 <Ubit> mono does have it now
2017-05-22 22:50 <Ubit> but no info on default
2017-05-22 22:51 <Ubit> well easy to test
2017-05-22 22:51 <Ubit> bahh don't even tell the time units
2017-05-22 22:51 <Ubit> its ms on win...
2017-05-22 22:52 <Ubit> it its seconds on mono.. kabumm :)
2017-05-22 22:52 <Ubit> dam i do hate having to read sources :P
2017-05-22 22:52 <Ubit> private static int dnsRefreshTimeout = 2 * 60 * 1000;
2017-05-22 22:53 <Ubit> same as MS on current mono
2017-05-22 23:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #5547 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-22 23:11 <Ubit> hmm lets see jenkins likes this ( mono2 )
2017-05-22 23:13 <Ubit> well i don't own a dns to test this :)
2017-05-22 23:15 <Ubit> but this is only on httprequests really
2017-05-22 23:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5547: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5547/
2017-05-22 23:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  remember mono about the default for DnsRefreshTimeout
2017-05-22 23:16 <Ubit> ok mono 2 knows about it.. 
2017-05-22 23:21 <Ubit> hmm
2017-05-22 23:21 <Ubit> [Obsolete ("Use GetHostEntry instead")] 
2017-05-22 23:21 <Ubit> 352 		public static IPHostEntry GetHostByAddress(string address) 
2017-05-22 23:24 <Ubit> ok same on ms
2017-05-22 23:24 -!- IgorVorotiloff(~GuyCharle@unaffiliated/igorvorotiloff) has left #opensim-dev
2017-05-22 23:25 <Ubit_zzz> my isp lobes me
2017-05-22 23:46 <Matova> last master is ok ? I cant load OpenSim.exe. Comes with error: [ERROR] FATAL UNHANDLED EXCEPTION: System.NotImplementedException: The requested feature is not implemented.                                                                                                                                 at System.Net.ServicePointManager.set_DnsRefreshTimeout (Int32 value) [0x00000] in
2017-05-22 23:47 <Ubit> grrr
2017-05-22 23:47 <Ubit> what mono version?
2017-05-22 23:47 <Matova> 4.04
2017-05-22 23:47 <Ubit> ok one moment
2017-05-22 23:47 <Matova> Mono JIT compiler version 4.0.4 (Stable 4.0.4.1/5ab4c0d Thu May 11 20:21:01 CEST 2017)  
2017-05-22 23:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #5548 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-22 23:53 <Matova> what good version tested to this feature ?
2017-05-22 23:54 <Ubit> will do nothing for you :(
2017-05-22 23:54 <Ubit> it may do something only on some other mono versions.. if anything..
2017-05-22 23:54 <Matova> I like so much this version 4.0.4
2017-05-22 23:54 <Ubit> its a shoot in the dark :(
2017-05-22 23:54 <Ubit> ok it should not crash now.. ( does nothing )
2017-05-22 23:55 <Matova> Let me try again
2017-05-22 23:55 <Ubit> and possible yr version actually does not have the issue
2017-05-22 23:56 <diva_> HOw do I allow ppl to set home on my parcel/region?
2017-05-22 23:57 <Ubit> u ask hard questions
2017-05-22 23:57 <Ubit> my region crashed .. a moment :)
2017-05-22 23:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5548: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5548/
2017-05-22 23:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  no all mono versions know DnsRefreshTimeout
2017-05-22 23:59 <Matova> yeap :) now is UP
2017-05-23 00:00 <Ubit> ohh
2017-05-23 00:00 <Ubit> There are three types of land you can set as your home location:
2017-05-23 00:00 <Ubit> �Land you own
2017-05-23 00:00 <Ubit> �Land set to group access for a group to which you belong, if you have the necessary ability.  For more information on group land, see Group-owned land.  For more information on group roles and abilities, see Creating, managing, moderating, and disbanding groups.
2017-05-23 00:00 <Ubit> �Infohubs,
2017-05-23 00:01 <Ubit> hmm and we do enforce . not sure the infohubs things
2017-05-23 00:02 <diva_> ugh so complicated
2017-05-23 00:21 <Ubit> hmm shouldn't we call region modules removeRegion.. somewhere during shutdown??
2017-05-23 00:22 <Matova> do u mean 3 different shortcut ?
2017-05-23 00:22 <Ubit> hmm or anytime
2017-05-23 00:22 <Ubit> motova question wasn't for you ;)
2017-05-23 00:22 <Matova> I know
2017-05-23 00:22 <Ubit> :)
2017-05-23 00:29 <Matova> that issue about llHTTPRequest to win/.NET only, stop to work after some hours ON. 
2017-05-23 00:29 <Ubit> mine didn't stop
2017-05-23 00:30 <Matova> yet work to u?
2017-05-23 00:30 <Ubit> well now i did crash the region a few times
2017-05-23 00:30 <Ubit> but worked for hours yes
2017-05-23 00:30 <Matova> I think no have special config to it
2017-05-23 00:43 <diva_> My first HG tests seem all ok
2017-05-23 00:44 <Ubit> better than my current code changes :)
2017-05-23 01:09 <BlueWall> https://pastebin.com/QpsH3Y97
2017-05-23 01:10 <BlueWall> Some observations, data and notes about the hanging shutdown on Mono
2017-05-23 01:12 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-23 02:03 <Ubit> mi neti is backy
2017-05-23 02:04 <Ubit> hmm no need for you to hide ...
2017-05-23 02:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #5549 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-23 02:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5549: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5549/
2017-05-23 02:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  please DIE! PLEASE??
2017-05-23 03:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #5550 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-23 03:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5550: SUCCESS in 6 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5550/
2017-05-23 03:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  stop a few more threads on exit
2017-05-23 03:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #5551 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-05-23 03:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  dont fail saving a OAR because of a broken material
2017-05-23 04:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #5552 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-05-23 04:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: only remove AsyncCommandManager thread when last instance is deleted
2017-05-23 04:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #5553 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-05-23 04:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: protect AsyncCommandManager thread from fails on the several things it checks
2017-05-23 04:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #5554 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-23 05:00 <Ubit> oops
2017-05-23 05:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5554: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5554/
2017-05-23 05:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: allow new thread creation if it was aborted on  AsyncCommandManager
2017-05-23 05:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #5555 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-05-23 05:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix lock position removing a not necessary function
2017-05-23 05:31 <nebadon> hmm interesting xbuild is deprecated in mono 5.0
2017-05-23 05:35 <nebadon> still hanging on shutdown :(
2017-05-23 05:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #5556 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-05-23 05:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  dont log timeouts on stopped threads
2017-05-23 08:53 <osmantis> Bug #8046:04 Github dev Master vesion 0.9.1.0 change needs tag altering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8046 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-05-23 18:25 <Plugh> The weekly OpenSim developer meeting in osgrid has started
2017-05-23 18:40 <paulie_Flomar> test
2017-05-23 18:42 <CrasherRob> Permissions problem?? OSSL permissions do not appear to work for the parcel owner. They appear to have worked for the prim+script parcel owner in the prior OSGrid release 44993550a85f411e5ea88a889fb652744e2d3d1b 04/01/2017 even without being properly specified in config-include/osslEnable.ini. They still work for the estate manager.
2017-05-23 18:45 <CrasherRob> Functions tried: osGetAvatarList, osTeleportAgent
2017-05-23 18:49 <Plugh> How have you set the Allow's for those functions?
2017-05-23 18:58 <CrasherRob> osslParcelO = "PARCEL_OWNER,"; osslParcelOG = "PARCEL_GROUP_MEMBER,PARCEL_OWNER,"; Allow_osGetAvatarList =           ${XEngine|osslParcelOG}ESTATE_MANAGER,ESTATE_OWNER; Allow_osTeleportAgent =           ${XEngine|osslParcelO}ESTATE_MANAGER,ESTATE_OWNER
2017-05-23 19:01 <CrasherRob> (Basically moving the comment qualifier from the active setting to the empty setting.)
2017-05-23 19:02 <Plugh> Are you ending the Const settings with ," ?
2017-05-23 19:03 <CrasherRob> Yes, the lines above were cut-and-paste.
2017-05-23 19:05 <CrasherRob> There is, however, no blank space in the line after the ending "
2017-05-23 19:15 <Plugh> That's ok
2017-05-23 19:19 <CrasherRob> Also FYI, currently running: osGrid distribution 2017-05-12 8bdd4c3e...
2017-05-23 19:25 <Plugh> I am suggesting you remove the comma that is before the ending quote mark on those settings. I don't think it would cause any problem but I'd remove them anyway.
2017-05-23 19:30 <Plugh> CrasherRob, make sure that the Const section appears before you try to use the settings.
2017-05-23 19:31 <Plugh> the osslParcel* should also appear before you try to use those settings.
2017-05-23 20:11 <osmantis> Bug #8177:04 Extreme memory usage as compared to 0.8.2.1 and 0.8.3 Post-Fixes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2017-05-23 20:21 <osmantis> Bug #8177:04 Extreme memory usage as compared to 0.8.2.1 and 0.8.3 Post-Fixes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-05-23 20:24 <osmantis> Bug #8177:04 Extreme memory usage as compared to 0.8.2.1 and 0.8.3 Post-Fixes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-23 20:24 <CrasherRob> Plugh, removing the comma would result in "...,PARCEL_OWNERESTATE_MANAGER,..." which would parse incorrectly. I think this is a permissions problem of some sort.
2017-05-23 20:26 <Plugh> I didn't say to remove *all* commas. I said to remove the one right before the closing " mark.
2017-05-23 20:26 <CrasherRob> The Const section is within osslEnable.ini, preceding its usage in the Allow_os... function. 
2017-05-23 20:26 <CrasherRob> The last comma separates "PARCEL_OWNER" and "ESTATE_MANAGER"
2017-05-23 21:07 <osmantis> Bug #8177:04 Extreme memory usage as compared to 0.8.2.1 and 0.8.3 Post-Fixes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-23 22:09 <osmantis> Bug #8177:04 Extreme memory usage as compared to 0.8.2.1 and 0.8.3 Post-Fixes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-23 22:26 <osmantis> Bug #8177:04 Extreme memory usage as compared to 0.8.2.1 and 0.8.3 Post-Fixes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-05-23 23:26 <osmantis> Bug #8177:04 Extreme memory usage as compared to 0.8.2.1 and 0.8.3 Post-Fixes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-23 23:39 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-24 00:15 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-24 00:16 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-24 00:20 <Ubit> version 0.8.2 does exit ?
2017-05-24 00:20 <Ubit> ( if compiled on the test mono etc )
2017-05-24 00:44 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-24 01:16 <osmantis> Bug #8177:04 Extreme memory usage as compared to 0.8.2.1 and 0.8.3 Post-Fixes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-24 01:27 <osmantis> Bug #8177:04 Extreme memory usage as compared to 0.8.2.1 and 0.8.3 Post-Fixes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-24 01:30 <osmantis> Bug #8178:04 llSetStatus(STATUS_PHYSICS, TRUE); auto changes PHANTOM to TRUE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8178 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-05-24 01:37 <osmantis> Bug #8178:04 llSetStatus(STATUS_PHYSICS, TRUE); auto changes PHANTOM to TRUE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8178 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-24 01:39 <osmantis> Bug #8178:04 llSetStatus(STATUS_PHYSICS, TRUE); auto changes PHANTOM to TRUE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8178 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-24 01:39 <BlueWall> Ubit, It has been hanging for a good while, and I think it is something that changed in Linux/Mono causing it.
2017-05-24 01:39 <Ubit> :(
2017-05-24 01:39 <BlueWall> Thanks for the windows log, Mono should proceed in the same order.
2017-05-24 01:39 <BlueWall> So that is another clue/
2017-05-24 01:39 <Ubit> you see that it is a timed wait  and that now a Abort is dove bc exit
2017-05-24 01:40 <nebadon> the last version I know for sure it doesnt hang on
2017-05-24 01:40 <osmantis> Bug #8178:04 llSetStatus(STATUS_PHYSICS, TRUE); auto changes PHANTOM to TRUE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8178 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-24 01:40 <Ubit> and on win the abort works  ( near the end )
2017-05-24 01:40 <BlueWall> I just had a little bit of time to look at it today and put up what info I could gather.
2017-05-24 01:40 <nebadon> its 4.0.4 was released on 8-25-2015
2017-05-24 01:40 <nebadon> so since some time after that
2017-05-24 01:40 <BlueWall> We will get to the bottom of it.
2017-05-24 01:41 <osmantis> Bug #8178:04 llSetStatus(STATUS_PHYSICS, TRUE); auto changes PHANTOM to TRUE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8178 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-24 01:41 <BlueWall> I put a sleep for 10 seconds before the exit to see if that would do anything, but nope.
2017-05-24 01:41 <Ubit> i used 25 secs
2017-05-24 01:41 <osmantis> Bug #8178:04 llSetStatus(STATUS_PHYSICS, TRUE); auto changes PHANTOM to TRUE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8178 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-24 01:42 <Ubit> and a break on exit()
2017-05-24 01:42 <Ubit> from that i left 5 secs
2017-05-24 01:42 <Ubit> ( to match the timeouts of some places just in case )
2017-05-24 01:42 <BlueWall> it's pretty important to fix it
2017-05-24 01:43 <BlueWall> I will compare the logs of the shutdown to see which one hangs in Linux
2017-05-24 01:43 <Ubit> well on win the break on exit only lists clr threads
2017-05-24 01:43 <Ubit> with my next commit will show one again
2017-05-24 01:43 <BlueWall> Setting the thread debud level @3
2017-05-24 01:44 <Ubit> bc the code i did to kill it is bad
2017-05-24 01:44 <BlueWall> haha
2017-05-24 01:44 <Ubit> actually how it is used is nasty
2017-05-24 01:44 <BlueWall> System.Delete("C:\*.* -r");
2017-05-24 01:44 <Ubit> a class stores the thread on a static thing
2017-05-24 01:45 <Ubit> well legal.. but .. odd
2017-05-24 01:45 <Ubit> damm i pushed master :)
2017-05-24 01:45 <Ubit> FLOOD
2017-05-24 01:45 <Ubit> lol
2017-05-24 01:45 <osmantis> Bug #8178:04 llSetStatus(STATUS_PHYSICS, TRUE); auto changes PHANTOM to TRUE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8178 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-24 01:46 <Ubit> i did merge master on http tests... 
2017-05-24 01:46 <Ubit> and forgot to push :)
2017-05-24 01:46 <Ubit> so here it is  :)
2017-05-24 01:47 <osmantis> Bug #8178:04 llSetStatus(STATUS_PHYSICS, TRUE); auto changes PHANTOM to TRUE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8178 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-24 01:47 <BlueWall> Oh, last night, I said that Mono 5 only had 1 entry in the /proc/pid/tasks directry - but I was mistaken. I was looking at the pid entry for screen, not OpenSim
2017-05-24 01:48 <BlueWall> So, when OS hangs, you can kill any of the pid listed in the tasks and it will exit.
2017-05-24 01:48 <osmantis> Bug #8178:04 llSetStatus(STATUS_PHYSICS, TRUE); auto changes PHANTOM to TRUE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8178 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-24 01:49 <Ubit> i moved the PIDfile delete to the last thing bf exit
2017-05-24 01:49 <BlueWall> that is good
2017-05-24 01:49 <Ubit> well again the commit i did on master did not show up
2017-05-24 01:49 <Ubit> damm
2017-05-24 01:49 <BlueWall> If you crash, it has a wrong pid
2017-05-24 01:50 <BlueWall> hehee, Didn;t you push all of them back to the svn days?
2017-05-24 01:50 <BlueWall> :D
2017-05-24 01:50 <Ubit> but is ,minor just gave up killing a thread for now
2017-05-24 01:50 <Ubit> and man most of those are BACKGROUP threads
2017-05-24 01:51 <Ubit> they should not stop exit :(
2017-05-24 01:51 <osmantis> Bug #8177:04 Extreme memory usage as compared to 0.8.2.1 and 0.8.3 Post-Fixes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-24 01:51 <Ubit> guess its something else
2017-05-24 01:51 <BlueWall> I don't know all of the details of them - can they orphan threads causing it to hang, etc.?
2017-05-24 01:51 <Ubit> no idea
2017-05-24 01:52 <BlueWall> it's just a wierd thing that will take some searching.
2017-05-24 01:52 <Ubit> also this mem issue ,, irrititating
2017-05-24 01:52 <Ubit> 0.9 as less true leaks than 0.8.2  BUAaaaaaaaaaa
2017-05-24 02:01 <osmantis> Bug #8178:04 llSetStatus(STATUS_PHYSICS, TRUE); auto changes PHANTOM to TRUE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8178 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-24 02:05 <osmantis> Bug #8178:04 llSetStatus(STATUS_PHYSICS, TRUE); auto changes PHANTOM to TRUE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8178 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-24 02:09 <osmantis> Bug #8178:04 llSetStatus(STATUS_PHYSICS, TRUE); auto changes PHANTOM to TRUE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8178 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-24 02:09 <osmantis> Bug #8178:04 llSetStatus(STATUS_PHYSICS, TRUE); auto changes PHANTOM to TRUE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8178 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-24 02:17 <Ubit> Matova ?
2017-05-24 02:18 <Ubit> don't waste time mking a new video
2017-05-24 02:18 <Ubit> if u want came to my test region and i may show u 
2017-05-24 02:25 <osmantis> Bug #8178:04 llSetStatus(STATUS_PHYSICS, TRUE); auto changes PHANTOM to TRUE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8178 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-24 02:26 <Matova> sure
2017-05-24 02:26 <Matova> I can 
2017-05-24 02:26 <Matova> Osgrid?
2017-05-24 02:26 <Ubit> selection makes prims phaton yes
2017-05-24 02:27 <Matova> yes, you're correct is the selection
2017-05-24 02:27 <Ubit> i know im :p
2017-05-24 02:27 <Ubit> fallen from buildings a lot at SL  buiilding :)
2017-05-24 02:27 <Ubit> went straight to basements lol
2017-05-24 02:28 <Ubit> worse when a friend did it
2017-05-24 02:28 <Matova> to SL works it
2017-05-24 02:28 <Matova> no phantom to selection
2017-05-24 02:29 <Ubit> it does 2
2017-05-24 02:29 <Ubit> at least did
2017-05-24 02:29 <Matova> yes
2017-05-24 02:30 <Matova> to cars this is not a big problem, only to boat.
2017-05-24 02:31 <Ubit> simple select does not do phantom
2017-05-24 02:31 <Ubit> well in most cases
2017-05-24 02:31 <Ubit> that region is ubOde or bullet?
2017-05-24 02:32 <Ubit> yeap u can select..  if nothing changes no phaton
2017-05-24 02:32 <Ubit> on ubOde
2017-05-24 02:32 <Matova> ubode
2017-05-24 02:32 <Ubit> u move a bit or change.. poff
2017-05-24 02:33 <Ubit> and that script is totally wrong!!
2017-05-24 02:34 <Ubit> sorry to say
2017-05-24 02:34 <Matova> was only example. the action works
2017-05-24 02:34 <Matova> the boat move
2017-05-24 02:34 <Ubit> no its bad
2017-05-24 02:34 <Matova> the problem only the select phantom
2017-05-24 02:34 <Matova> that was only an example
2017-05-24 02:35 <Ubit> se how sit is done on car scripts etc
2017-05-24 02:35 <Matova> full script has more 500 lines
2017-05-24 02:35 <Ubit> and they do assume you did set a sittarget
2017-05-24 02:35 <Matova> yes I have it too
2017-05-24 02:35 <Ubit> ok
2017-05-24 02:35 <Matova> Look without script do same
2017-05-24 02:35 <Ubit> then that if(user) is wrong on opensim.. our bug i know
2017-05-24 02:36 <Matova> but I removed the script now and same 
2017-05-24 02:36 <Ubit> i told u.. its select mechanics
2017-05-24 02:36 <Matova> yes
2017-05-24 02:36 <Matova> the problem not is the script really. Just the select as you told
2017-05-24 02:36 <Matova> without script do same result
2017-05-24 02:37 <osmantis> Bug #8178:04 llSetStatus(STATUS_PHYSICS, TRUE); auto changes PHANTOM to TRUE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8178 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-24 02:39 <osmantis> Bug #8178:04 llSetStatus(STATUS_PHYSICS, TRUE); auto changes PHANTOM to TRUE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8178 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-05-24 09:52 <Ubit> bahh
2017-05-24 09:52 <Ubit> tested with mono 5.0  and shutdown worked
2017-05-24 09:54 <Ubit> 02:54:11 - [JobEngine]: Stopping ServiceThrottle
2017-05-24 09:54 <Ubit> 02:54:12 - [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread PollServiceWorkerThread 0:9000, ID 13
2017-05-24 09:54 <Ubit> 02:54:12 - [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread PollServiceWorkerThread 1:9000, ID 14
2017-05-24 09:54 <Ubit> 02:54:13 - [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread PollServiceWatcherThread:9000, ID 15
2017-05-24 09:54 <Ubit> 02:54:13 - [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread MapBlockSendThread (UbitRegion), ID 22
2017-05-24 09:54 <Ubit> 02:54:17 - [JobEngine]: Stopping Non-blocking non-critical job engine
2017-05-24 09:54 <Ubit> 02:54:17 - [SHUTDOWN]: Shutdown processing on main thread complete.  Exiting...
2017-05-24 09:54 <Ubit> root@UbitBox:~/test/bin# 
2017-05-24 09:59 <Ubit> hmm
2017-05-24 10:00 <Ubit> basic HG standalone using sqlite
2017-05-24 10:00 <Ubit> small oar loaded
2017-05-24 13:25 <osmantis> Bug #8179:04 LIBODE 0.13.2 for macOS update - Universal build. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8179 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-05-24 13:26 <osmantis> Bug #8179:04 LIBODE 0.13.2 for macOS update - Universal build. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8179 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2017-05-24 13:28 <osmantis> Bug #8179:04 LIBODE 0.13.2 for macOS update - Universal build. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8179 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-05-24 13:38 <osmantis> Bug #8179:04 LIBODE 0.13.2 for macOS update - Universal build. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8179 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-24 13:38 <osmantis> Bug #8179:04 LIBODE 0.13.2 for macOS update - Universal build. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8179 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-24 15:26 <BlueWall> Ubit, testing here on standalone running 8989e8ef and shutdown is complete. On grid setup, both Robust and OpenSim hang on exit. 
2017-05-24 16:03 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-24 18:16 <osmantis> Bug #8180:04 (ub)ODE shared libraries not working in Centos/RHEL 6 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8180 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-05-24 18:20 <osmantis> Bug #8180:04 (ub)ODE shared libraries not working in Centos/RHEL 6 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8180 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2017-05-24 18:20 <osmantis> Bug #8180:04 (ub)ODE shared libraries not working in Centos/RHEL 6 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8180 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-24 18:23 <osmantis> Bug #8180:04 (ub)ODE shared libraries not working in Centos/RHEL 6 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8180 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-24 20:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #5557 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-24 20:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5557: SUCCESS in 7 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5557/
2017-05-24 20:17 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: give up on the code to stop AsyncCommandManager. It fails with many scripts running, and its only done deep on exit code. It is a backgroud thread should not block exit and never did
2017-05-24 20:17 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8780 replace ode bins for linux with ones compiled against older Glibc, Thanks Jak
2017-05-24 20:21 <Ubit> yeackk it is not 8780  :(
2017-05-24 21:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #5558 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-24 21:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5558: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5558/
2017-05-24 21:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a bit more pre exit cleanup
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2017-05-25 00:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #5559 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-25 00:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5559: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5559/
2017-05-25 00:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove use of libomv BlockingQueue
2017-05-25 00:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #5560 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-25 00:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5560: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5560/
2017-05-25 00:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make some threads background ones
2017-05-25 01:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #5561 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-25 01:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5561: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5561/
2017-05-25 01:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make a few more threads background ones
2017-05-25 01:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #5562 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-25 01:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5562: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5562/
2017-05-25 01:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: another one
2017-05-25 03:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #5563 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-25 03:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5563: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5563/
2017-05-25 03:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor changes
2017-05-25 03:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #5564 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-25 03:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5564: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5564/
2017-05-25 03:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: use threads from main pool on assetsconnector
2017-05-25 04:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #5565 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-25 04:04 <osmantis> Bug #8179:04 LIBODE 0.13.2 for macOS update - Universal build. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8179 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-25 04:06 <osmantis> Bug #8180:04 (ub)ODE shared libraries not working in Centos/RHEL 6 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8180 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-25 04:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5565: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5565/
2017-05-25 04:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Update macOS version of libode to 0.13.2. The library is build as a fat library with both 32 and 64 bit code. O3 optimization and built with macOS 10.11 SDK.
2017-05-25 05:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #5566 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-25 05:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5566: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5566/
2017-05-25 05:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: move assetsconnector threads to whatchdog; Abort all alive threads known to watchdog before exit
2017-05-25 05:20 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-25 08:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #5567 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-25 08:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5567: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5567/
2017-05-25 08:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add some checks for valid endpoints
2017-05-25 23:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #5568 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-25 23:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5568: SUCCESS in 5 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5568/
2017-05-25 23:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change wrong watchdog stopped thread check code, and don't log it
2017-05-25 23:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #5569 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-25 23:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5569: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5569/
2017-05-25 23:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file change.. actually use watchdog threads on assetsconnector and
2017-05-25 23:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #5570 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-25 23:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5570: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5570/
2017-05-25 23:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make BlockingQueue.Dequeue timeouts more coerent (just less than watchdog timeout)
2017-05-25 23:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #5571 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-25 23:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5571: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5571/
2017-05-25 23:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid some wrong watchdog timeouts
2017-05-26 00:08 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-26 00:46 <BlueWall> \o/
2017-05-26 00:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #5572 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-26 00:51 <Ubit> of course.. i did use opensim-ode.sh and had smoke )
2017-05-26 00:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5572: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5572/
2017-05-26 00:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change opensim-ode.sh to use the ode engine defined on opensim.ini
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2017-05-26 03:18 <osmantis> Bug #8181:04 asset folder not created on first run (with empty db) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8181 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-05-26 03:21 <osmantis> Bug #8181:04 asset folder not created on first run (with empty db) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8181 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-05-26 03:22 <osmantis> Bug #8181:04 asset folder not created on first run (with empty db) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8181 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-05-26 03:22 <osmantis> Bug #8181:04 asset folder not created on first run (with empty db) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8181 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-05-26 03:23 <osmantis> Bug #8181:04 asset folder not created on first run (with empty db) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8181 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-05-26 04:16 <osmantis> Bug #8181:04 asset folder not created on first run (with empty db) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8181 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-26 04:25 <osmantis> Bug #8181:04 asset folder not created on first run (with empty db) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8181 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-26 04:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #5573 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-26 04:35 <osmantis> Bug #8181:04 asset folder not created on first run (with empty db) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8181 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-26 04:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5573: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5573/
2017-05-26 04:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8181: don't try to delete contents of a non exitent folder
2017-05-26 05:46 <osmantis> Bug #8177:04 Extreme memory usage as compared to 0.8.2.1 and 0.8.3 Post-Fixes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-26 05:53 <osmantis> Bug #8177:04 Extreme memory usage as compared to 0.8.2.1 and 0.8.3 Post-Fixes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-26 09:01 <osmantis> Bug #8181:04 asset folder not created on first run (with empty db) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8181 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-26 16:56 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-26 20:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #5574 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-26 20:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5574: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5574/
2017-05-26 20:37 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: cleanup (grid)region info endpoint; add log to try to find some xml decode issues
2017-05-26 20:37 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: lose a ref
2017-05-26 22:02 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-26 22:27 <osmantis> Bug #8177:04 Extreme memory usage as compared to 0.8.2.1 and 0.8.3 Post-Fixes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-26 23:58 <GoKu> [MRM] need to be true or false ? sandboxes = true / false? anyone knows about the best SETUP for this parameter?
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2017-05-27 00:24 <Plugh> Are you planning to use mini region modules? I've never enabled as I've not needed it.
2017-05-27 00:26 <Plugh> GoKu: If you read the comment it says you should use Sandboxed = true.
2017-05-27 00:30 <GoKu> because my OpenSim.ini has these parameters. sandboxies = true and enable = false to MRM . The normal is set sandboxies to false ?
2017-05-27 00:42 <Plugh> Which version of OpenSim are you using?
2017-05-27 00:43 <Plugh> The normal settings are for that module to be disabled.
2017-05-27 00:52 <GoKu> last commit
2017-05-27 04:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #5575 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-27 04:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5575: SUCCESS in 5 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5575/
2017-05-27 04:52 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: minor cleanup
2017-05-27 04:52 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: minor cleanup
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2017-05-27 21:32 <osmantis> Bug #8171:04 llHTTPRequest stop to work when set some god parameters to false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8171 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-05-27 21:34 <osmantis> Bug #8180:04 (ub)ODE shared libraries not working in Centos/RHEL 6 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8180 ): has been CLOSED
2017-05-27 21:35 <osmantis> Bug #8179:04 LIBODE 0.13.2 for macOS update - Universal build. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8179 ): has been CLOSED
2017-05-27 21:35 <osmantis> Bug #8176:04 PGSQL: Another missing cast in XInventoryData 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8176 ): has been CLOSED
2017-05-27 21:36 <osmantis> Bug #8181:04 asset folder not created on first run (with empty db) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8181 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-05-27 21:37 <osmantis> Bug #8178:04 llSetStatus(STATUS_PHYSICS, TRUE); auto changes PHANTOM to TRUE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8178 ): has been CLOSED
2017-05-27 21:37 <osmantis> Bug #8170:04 Always Run stop to run after get teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8170 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-05-27 21:40 <osmantis> Bug #7850:04 The ubODE version of llCastRay is very slow on var regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7850 ): has been CLOSED
2017-05-27 21:40 <osmantis> Bug #8167:04 NPGSQL is seriously outdated - two patches supplied to migrate it forward a tad 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8167 ): has been CLOSED
2017-05-27 21:41 <osmantis> Bug #8166:04 PGSQL Convert prim table PassCollision field to bool 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8166 ): has been CLOSED
2017-05-27 21:42 <osmantis> Bug #8163:04 PGSQL EstateStore.migrations leaves database without estate tables on first run 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8163 ): has been CLOSED
2017-05-27 21:42 <osmantis> Bug #8162:04 PGSQL: AgentPrefs.migrations missing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8162 ): has been CLOSED
2017-05-27 21:42 <osmantis> Bug #8161:04 llList2Float() works differently in OSGrid and ( Metro or SL) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8161 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-05-27 21:43 <osmantis> Bug #7697:04 OpenSim.ini.example [Network] ExternalHostNameForLSL default not very helpful. $BaseURL minus leading http:// might be better 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7697 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-05-27 21:43 <osmantis> Bug #8155:04 [PGSQL] - add support for storing physics intertia override in the database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8155 ): has been CLOSED
2017-05-27 21:45 <osmantis> Bug #8135:04 llListen starts to fail after it is used > 720 times in temp rez objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8135 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2017-05-27 21:47 <osmantis> Bug #7800:04 Login to 0.9 region with empty cache results in new calling card being created for each friend 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7800 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-27 21:48 <osmantis> Bug #8130:04 llSetKeyframedMotion not working anymore in 0.9.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8130 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-05-27 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #8143:04 Mesh (and possibly texture) asset load is noticeably slower than from OS 0.8.2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8143 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-05-27 21:50 <osmantis> Bug #8115:04 mixture of bitwise operators and logical expression leads to wrong result 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8115 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-05-27 21:51 <osmantis> Bug #8124:04 WARNING: llcorehttp/_httppolicy.cpp and cannot access CAPS/EQG url with Bad Gateway (Http_502) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8124 ): has been CLOSED
2017-05-27 21:53 <osmantis> Bug #8119:04 Preventing the kicking grid administrator = grid_god with  UserLevel >=200, but less than ImplicitGodLevel = 210 or 220 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8119 ): has been CLOSED
2017-05-27 21:55 <osmantis> Bug #8106:04 [ubODE] - Mouselook Forces Camera/User "Into Ground" Prohibiting Movement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8106 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-05-27 21:55 <osmantis> Bug #8096:04 The new Constant: integer OBJECT_ATTACHED_SLOTS_AVAILABLE =  35; for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8096 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-05-27 21:58 <osmantis> Bug #8061:04 Some Lightshare settings may vary beyond 6 digits in regionwindlight table and will display differences after sim restart. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8061 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-05-27 21:59 <osmantis> Bug #8057:04 (OS 0.9.1) Many seated Avatars in region cause bad lag, high physics load in ubODE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8057 ): has been ASSIGNED.
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2017-05-28 00:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #5576 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-28 00:12 <Ubit> need to test..  uff
2017-05-28 00:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5576: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5576/
2017-05-28 00:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  make LSL_list a CLASS again. Now we need to it allover again. Scripts need to be recompiled ( delete contents of bin/ScriptEngines)
2017-05-28 00:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #5577 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-28 01:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5577: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5577/
2017-05-28 01:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  make use of a rare thing called StringBuilder on LSL_List. LSL_List uses may need a revision to make sure they are passed by ref and not by value, with necessary adjustments. This does not have much impact on AppDomains, since if they cross, they are always serialized. Since lists are important parts of LSL, the AppDomainLoading option needs to be replaced by something else
2017-05-28 01:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #5578 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-28 01:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5578: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5578/
2017-05-28 01:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  a null ref check left behind on previus commits
2017-05-28 02:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #5579 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-28 02:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5579: SUCCESS in 5 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5579/
2017-05-28 02:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  need to delay even more agent close after teleport to compensate for slow machines and user connections. This one of current tp teleport protocol flaws
2017-05-28 02:39 <osmantis> Bug #8177:04 Extreme memory usage as compared to 0.8.2.1 and 0.8.3 Post-Fixes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-28 03:05 <osmantis> Bug #8177:04 Extreme memory usage as compared to 0.8.2.1 and 0.8.3 Post-Fixes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-28 03:07 <osmantis> Bug #8177:04 Extreme memory usage as compared to 0.8.2.1 and 0.8.3 Post-Fixes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-28 03:11 <osmantis> Bug #8177:04 Extreme memory usage as compared to 0.8.2.1 and 0.8.3 Post-Fixes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-28 03:23 <osmantis> Bug #8177:04 Extreme memory usage as compared to 0.8.2.1 and 0.8.3 Post-Fixes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-28 03:28 <osmantis> Bug #8177:04 Extreme memory usage as compared to 0.8.2.1 and 0.8.3 Post-Fixes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-28 03:28 <osmantis> Bug #8177:04 Extreme memory usage as compared to 0.8.2.1 and 0.8.3 Post-Fixes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-28 03:30 <osmantis> Bug #8177:04 Extreme memory usage as compared to 0.8.2.1 and 0.8.3 Post-Fixes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-28 04:20 <osmantis> Bug #8177:04 Extreme memory usage as compared to 0.8.2.1 and 0.8.3 Post-Fixes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-28 05:22 <osmantis> Bug #8177:04 Extreme memory usage as compared to 0.8.2.1 and 0.8.3 Post-Fixes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-28 06:30 <osmantis> Bug #8177:04 Extreme memory usage as compared to 0.8.2.1 and 0.8.3 Post-Fixes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-05-28 22:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #5580 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-28 22:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5580: SUCCESS in 7 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5580/
2017-05-28 22:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  enclose GetRequestStream on try/catch
2017-05-28 22:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #5581 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-28 23:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5581: SUCCESS in 5 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5581/
2017-05-28 23:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  enclose GetRequestStream on try/catch
2017-05-28 23:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #5582 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-28 23:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5582: SUCCESS in 5 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5582/
2017-05-28 23:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  remove a now anoying message..
2017-05-29 00:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #5583 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-29 00:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5583: SUCCESS in 5 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5583/
2017-05-29 00:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add temporary debug msgs
2017-05-29 01:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #5584 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-29 01:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5584: SUCCESS in 5 min 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5584/
2017-05-29 01:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  cleanup util.cs get dns
2017-05-29 02:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #5585 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-29 02:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5585: SUCCESS in 5 min 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5585/
2017-05-29 02:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  mono is a total crap
2017-05-29 02:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #5586 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-29 02:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5586: SUCCESS in 5 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5586/
2017-05-29 02:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  no.. still a fail
2017-05-29 04:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #5587 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-29 04:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5587: SUCCESS in 5 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5587/
2017-05-29 04:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: some cleanup and assume Linux/mono DNS is just broken...
2017-05-29 05:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #5588 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-29 05:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5588: SUCCESS in 5 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5588/
2017-05-29 05:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove a unnecessary dns check
2017-05-29 06:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #5589 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-29 06:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5589: SUCCESS in 5 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5589/
2017-05-29 06:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cache endpoints (and other paths) dns requests for 5min, this delay should be acceptable in all cases ?
2017-05-29 06:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #5590 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-29 06:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5590: SUCCESS in 5 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5590/
2017-05-29 06:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change servicePoint dns expire also to 5min, let the endpoints expire slide. This should reduce impact of absurd dns fails observed on my test ubuntu VM
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2017-05-29 21:32 <Matova> only a question: About running, I see a difference between SL vs OpenSim.. using wwwww for example, to run, SL always continuos speed. When I type w w w w w w works like always pressed www. To OpenSim w w w stop the av and back to run
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2017-05-30 08:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #5591 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-30 08:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5591: SUCCESS in 7 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5591/
2017-05-30 08:13 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: webrequests serialiazation per endpoint its now ServicePointManager job
2017-05-30 08:13 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: put back soft http close
2017-05-30 14:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #5592 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-30 14:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5592: SUCCESS in 5 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5592/
2017-05-30 14:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do another dns request via new cache. My problems bf wheren't mono after all, but ubuntu systemd.resolver and google public dns, killing one and not using other did improve dns a lot
2017-05-30 15:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #5593 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-30 15:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5593: SUCCESS in 5 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5593/
2017-05-30 15:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove anoying crossing messages on open borders
2017-05-30 17:59 <Arielle_> dev meeting  about to start at Projet Secret
2017-05-30 18:17 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid.
2017-05-30 20:22 <Matova> its possible to have same SL running to OpenSim? OpenSim breaking the moviment when fast unpress and press
2017-05-31 00:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #5594 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-31 00:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5594: SUCCESS in 7 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5594/
2017-05-31 00:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: merge LocalNeighbourServicesConnector and RemoteNeighbourServicesConnector in single NeighbourServicesOutConnector
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2017-05-31 03:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #5595 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-31 03:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5595: SUCCESS in 5 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5595/
2017-05-31 03:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove debug messages
2017-05-31 03:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #5596 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-31 03:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5596: SUCCESS in 5 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5596/
2017-05-31 03:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove the option to store baked textures on assets service, thats suicide use xbakes
2017-05-31 03:55 <Matova> Are there any parameter to prevent external land connection? or, allow IPs to create land?
2017-05-31 03:55 <Ubit> IPs ?
2017-05-31 03:56 <Matova> Example, I can create a Land to osgrid using my computer.
2017-05-31 03:57 <Ubit> a land ?
2017-05-31 03:57 <Ubit> what do u call land ?
2017-05-31 03:57 <Matova> island 
2017-05-31 03:57 <Matova> opensim.exe
2017-05-31 03:57 <Ubit> region ?
2017-05-31 03:57 <Matova> yes
2017-05-31 03:57 <Ubit> guess there is hmm somewhere
2017-05-31 03:58 <Ubit> but osgrid idea is to have free connection
2017-05-31 03:58 <Matova> I have my robust. So is opened to everyone ? I did not found some parameter to prevent external region connection
2017-05-31 03:58 <Matova> I know
2017-05-31 03:58 <Ubit> on a private grid u should block some ports on firewall
2017-05-31 03:59 <Ubit> those called Private :p
2017-05-31 03:59 <Matova> do u know what ports need to be blocked?
2017-05-31 03:59 <Ubit> just told :)
2017-05-31 04:00 <Ubit> private grid meaning  robust and regions are on same LAN
2017-05-31 04:01 <Ubit>    ; The private port of the Robust server
2017-05-31 04:01 <Ubit>     PrivatePort = "9005"
2017-05-31 04:01 <Ubit> this ones..  8003 on default setting
2017-05-31 04:02 <Matova> but it can be in other lan too. So maybe a password parameter to add on OpenSim.ini to check the Robust.ini can make a security about it, no?
2017-05-31 04:02 <Ubit> hmm never looked to that
2017-05-31 04:03 <Ubit> sure there is a option that prevents unknown regions to log it
2017-05-31 04:03 <Matova> yes. We have something like it?
2017-05-31 04:12 <Ubit> funny
2017-05-31 04:12 <Ubit> if we do i don't find it :)
2017-05-31 05:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #5597 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-31 05:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5597: SUCCESS in 5 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5597/
2017-05-31 05:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops..
2017-05-31 06:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #5598 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-31 06:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5598: SUCCESS in 5 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5598/
2017-05-31 06:17 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: we don't need to keep refs to baked textures assets
2017-05-31 06:17 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: we don't need to keep refs to baked textures assets
2017-05-31 11:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #5599 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-31 11:34 <osmantis> Bug #8182:04 ScenePresenceAnimator.cs - line 622 -  2x mHipLeft -  0x mSkull 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8182 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-31 11:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5599: SUCCESS in 5 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5599/
2017-05-31 11:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8182: update/fix GenerateRandomAnimation(). not updating libomv avatar data bc have no idea why do do have it, so leave it to who does know
2017-05-31 11:44 <Matova> I see it: [BASE HTTP SERVER]: HandleRequest threw The socket has been shut down.
2017-05-31 11:45 <Matova> "NOTE: this may be spurious on Linux System.Net.Sockets.SocketException: The socket has been shut down"
2017-05-31 11:45 <Ubit> yes still happens..  but should be peacefull
2017-05-31 11:46 <Ubit> some socktes may stil be open when shutdown kills them
2017-05-31 11:46 <Ubit> multitasking pains
2017-05-31 11:47 <Ubit> and that is because mono is a crap !! :)
2017-05-31 11:47 <Matova> dont say it lol window I have many issues about llhttprequest. Linux works perfect
2017-05-31 11:57 <ssm2017> have you began to play with .net core Ubit ? (to replace mono maybe)
2017-05-31 19:05 <osmantis> Bug #8182:04 ScenePresenceAnimator.cs - line 622 -  2x mHipLeft -  0x mSkull 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8182 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-31 19:26 <osmantis> Bug #8182:04 ScenePresenceAnimator.cs - line 622 -  2x mHipLeft -  0x mSkull 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8182 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-31 19:31 <osmantis> Bug #8182:04 ScenePresenceAnimator.cs - line 622 -  2x mHipLeft -  0x mSkull 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8182 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-31 20:04 <osmantis> Bug #8182:04 ScenePresenceAnimator.cs - line 622 -  2x mHipLeft -  0x mSkull 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8182 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-31 20:09 <osmantis> Bug #8182:04 ScenePresenceAnimator.cs - line 622 -  2x mHipLeft -  0x mSkull 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8182 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-05-31 21:51 <osmantis> Bug #6743:04 llGetRot incorrect from an attachment on a seated avatar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6743 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-05-31 22:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #5600 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-05-31 22:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5600: FAILURE in 4 min 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5600/
2017-05-31 22:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change child agents close control; disablesimulator is not a caps event message
2017-05-31 23:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #5601 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5599 11 hr ago)
2017-05-31 23:20 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2017-05-31 23:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5601: FIXED in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5601/
2017-05-31 23:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoi null refs on tests simple clients
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2017-06-01 12:27 <osmantis> Bug #8020:04 [BASE HTTP SERVER] HandleRequest threw 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8020 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
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2017-06-02 08:59 <osmantis> Bug #8183:04 [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread BackupWaitCallback -  but this is not being monitored 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8183 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-06-02 09:03 <osmantis> Bug #8183:04 [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread BackupWaitCallback -  but this is not being monitored 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8183 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-02 09:55 <osmantis> Bug #8184:04 Display boards using osSetDynamicTextureURL and osSetDynamicTextureData have stopped working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8184 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-06-02 11:44 <osmantis> Bug #8184:04 Display boards using osSetDynamicTextureURL and osSetDynamicTextureData have stopped working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8184 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-02 12:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #5602 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2017-06-02 12:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5602: SUCCESS in 7 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5602/
2017-06-02 12:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  move a execution overlap guard to end of job
2017-06-02 12:39 <osmantis> Bug #8184:04 Display boards using osSetDynamicTextureURL and osSetDynamicTextureData have stopped working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8184 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-02 12:40 <osmantis> Bug #8184:04 Display boards using osSetDynamicTextureURL and osSetDynamicTextureData have stopped working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8184 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2017-06-03 02:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #5603 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-03 02:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5603: SUCCESS in 5 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5603/
2017-06-03 02:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix MouseDown in case it gets any use
2017-06-03 03:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #5604 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-03 03:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5604: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5604/
2017-06-03 03:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cross mouse buttons state
2017-06-03 06:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #5605 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-03 06:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5605: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5605/
2017-06-03 06:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a delayed stop so fast tap on move keys does not stop the avatar in some cases
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2017-06-05 03:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #5606 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-05 04:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5606: SUCCESS in 5 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5606/
2017-06-05 04:04 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove redundant UpdateMovementAnimations();
2017-06-05 04:04 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Correct parsing of 'Media' XML element in PrimitiveBaseShape when reading an OAR file.
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2017-06-06 02:02 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-06 02:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #5607 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-06 02:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5607: SUCCESS in 5 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5607/
2017-06-06 02:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: bug fix: handle current region on GetChildAgentsToClose
2017-06-06 18:10 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid.
2017-06-06 19:20 <osmantis> Bug #8135:04 llListen starts to fail after it is used > 720 times in temp rez objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8135 ): requires your FEEDBACK.
2017-06-06 19:20 <osmantis> Bug #8135:04 llListen starts to fail after it is used > 720 times in temp rez objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8135 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-06-06 19:22 <osmantis> Bug #8135:04 llListen starts to fail after it is used > 720 times in temp rez objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8135 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-06-06 19:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #5608 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-06 19:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5608: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5608/
2017-06-06 19:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: set optional group position and rotation before attach to scene
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2017-06-07 09:21 <osmantis> Bug #8185:04 [LLUDPSERVER]: UseCircuitCode handling... Exception Object reference not set to an instance of an object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8185 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2017-06-07 12:39 <vodka> hello, i have a problem with my internal configuration of opensim. I need opensim as grid not as standalone so i’ve already modify my opensim but it doesn’t work. Can someone help me ? i need to modify the files « regions » and « robust ». by the way i’m not a professional just a student :) thank you for your help. 
2017-06-07 12:39 <vodka> bonjour, j’ai un problème avec ma configuration interne de opensim. Je dois configurer mon opensim en grid non pas en standalone j’ai donc modifié la configuration interne mais cela ne fonctionne pas. Est-ce que quelqu’un est disponible pour m’aider à modifier les fichiers « robust » et « region ». Je précise que je ne suis pas un professionnel juste un étudiant. Merci de votre aide :)
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2017-06-07 17:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #5609 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-07 17:16 <Ubit> grrr not 8783 ... 8183 !!
2017-06-07 17:16 <Ubit> why im in such a hurry to reach bugs 87xx ?? :)
2017-06-07 17:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5609: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5609/
2017-06-07 17:21 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove nonsense SendPeriodicAppearanceUpdates. if we need such a thing, then a lot is broken. Remove duplicated CleanTempObjects() call, rename BackupWaitCallback thread as BackupWorker ( still didn't found cause for mantis 8783)
2017-06-07 17:21 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove some more dead scene options
2017-06-07 17:34 <osmantis> Bug #8185:04 [LLUDPSERVER]: UseCircuitCode handling... Exception Object reference not set to an instance of an object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8185 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-06-07 17:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #5610 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-07 18:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5610: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5610/
2017-06-07 18:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: course locations is a also heartbeat job (for now sync)
2017-06-07 18:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #5611 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-07 18:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5611: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5611/
2017-06-07 18:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: so no real need for Maintenance thread.. so removed
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2017-06-08 09:40 <osmantis> Bug #8185:04 [LLUDPSERVER]: UseCircuitCode handling... Exception Object reference not set to an instance of an object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8185 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-08 10:28 <osmantis> Bug #8186:04 Save IAR ... [SceneObjectSerializer]: Error while parsing element Media in Shape property of object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8186 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-06-08 10:42 <osmantis> Bug #8186:04 Save IAR ... [SceneObjectSerializer]: Error while parsing element Media in Shape property of object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8186 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-06-08 10:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #5612 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-06-08 10:50 <osmantis> Bug #8186:04 Save IAR ... [SceneObjectSerializer]: Error while parsing element Media in Shape property of object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8186 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-08 10:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5612: SUCCESS in 7 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5612/
2017-06-08 10:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  revert fa5bf4fd0bb6a855eacdb7b5eec9cd71ad9bf606 for test
2017-06-08 11:04 <osmantis> Bug #8186:04 Save IAR ... [SceneObjectSerializer]: Error while parsing element Media in Shape property of object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8186 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-08 11:08 <osmantis> Bug #8186:04 Save IAR ... [SceneObjectSerializer]: Error while parsing element Media in Shape property of object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8186 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-08 11:10 <osmantis> Bug #8186:04 Save IAR ... [SceneObjectSerializer]: Error while parsing element Media in Shape property of object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8186 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-08 13:21 <osmantis> Bug #8186:04 Save IAR ... [SceneObjectSerializer]: Error while parsing element Media in Shape property of object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8186 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-08 13:26 <osmantis> Bug #8186:04 Save IAR ... [SceneObjectSerializer]: Error while parsing element Media in Shape property of object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8186 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-08 13:26 <osmantis> Bug #8186:04 Save IAR ... [SceneObjectSerializer]: Error while parsing element Media in Shape property of object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8186 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-08 13:35 <osmantis> Bug #8186:04 Save IAR ... [SceneObjectSerializer]: Error while parsing element Media in Shape property of object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8186 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-06-08 17:04 <osmantis> Bug #8186:04 Save IAR ... [SceneObjectSerializer]: Error while parsing element Media in Shape property of object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8186 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-08 17:14 <Nexus_> hello
2017-06-08 17:15 <osmantis> Bug #8186:04 Save IAR ... [SceneObjectSerializer]: Error while parsing element Media in Shape property of object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8186 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-08 17:15 <Nexus_> can anyone help me on a good description on the plug in mechanism in OpenSim ?
2017-06-08 17:16 <Nexus_> so examples or how to use it ?
2017-06-08 17:16 <Nexus_> to programm it actually ...
2017-06-08 17:19 <misterblue> Nexus_: are you talking about modules that are loaded into the region simulators?
2017-06-08 17:19 <Nexus_> yes
2017-06-08 17:20 <Nexus_> we having the idea to create a webserver of avatars , and inject the avatar into the grid you want to go to
2017-06-08 17:21 <misterblue> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_Region_Modules
2017-06-08 17:21 <Nexus_> we want to investigate if we can use the region modules for that interface
2017-06-08 17:21 <misterblue> and example of extending the LSL language is in the OpenSimulator sources is ExtendedPhysics.cs
2017-06-08 17:22 <Nexus_> you know if I can use the modules to upload datat to the MYSQL database ?
2017-06-08 17:22 <misterblue> also http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Developing_OpenSim_Addins
2017-06-08 17:23 <Nexus_> the asset store i mean which is in our case a mysql database
2017-06-08 17:26 <misterblue> a region module has access to all the data in the region so you can output any data one wants and store it as you wish
2017-06-08 17:27 <Nexus_> ok , do you know when the next release of OpenSim will be ?
2017-06-08 17:28 <misterblue> you might also look at Dispatcher which is a region module for remote controlling and accessing data in a region: https://github.com/cmickeyb/dispatcher
2017-06-08 17:28 <misterblue> there is no specific date planned
2017-06-08 17:29 <Nexus_> oh , nice that was something else we are looking into , connecting a simularor in SL to OpenSIm and use a virtual room to use it
2017-06-08 17:30 <Nexus_> in RL i mean
2017-06-08 17:31 <Nexus_> is the developer community on OpenSim active ?
2017-06-08 17:31 <Ubit> hi
2017-06-08 17:31 <Nexus_> hello Ubit
2017-06-08 17:39 <Nexus_> your the only one ? lol
2017-06-08 18:48 <osmantis> Bug #8186:04 Save IAR ... [SceneObjectSerializer]: Error while parsing element Media in Shape property of object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8186 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-08 19:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #5613 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-06-08 19:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: keep the reverted code, that does work. Our code likes to have pbs.Media == null when there is no MOAD defined, so handle possible odd oars that may have llsd <array /> on that case
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2017-06-08 23:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #5614 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-06-08 23:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: bug fix plus some cleanup
2017-06-09 01:23 <NickyP> 0.
2017-06-09 02:28 <Ubit> 1 ?
2017-06-09 04:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #5615 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-09 04:49 <osmantis> Bug #8186:04 Save IAR ... [SceneObjectSerializer]: Error while parsing element Media in Shape property of object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8186 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-09 04:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5615: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5615/
2017-06-09 04:51 <osjenkins> misterblue: Another attempt at parsing MOAP <Media> elements in OAR files.
2017-06-09 09:49 <osmantis> Bug #8183:04 [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread BackupWaitCallback -  but this is not being monitored 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8183 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-09 10:03 <osmantis> Bug #8186:04 Save IAR ... [SceneObjectSerializer]: Error while parsing element Media in Shape property of object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8186 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-09 10:42 <osmantis> Bug #8183:04 [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread BackupWaitCallback -  but this is not being monitored 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8183 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-09 11:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #5616 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-06-09 11:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: still losing time with of halcyon incompatibile oars... cathch exceptions of the function that actually throws; Reduce log spam; don't let a broken MOAP stop all object deserialization. Fixing MOAP does not mean halcyon oars issues are fixed, just one. And really we should not even try to go against halcyon decison to be incompatible.(our MOAP encoding did not change since 2010)
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2017-06-09 15:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #5617 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-06-09 15:52 <osjenkins> * kevin: Fixed typo in log message
2017-06-09 15:52 <osjenkins> * kevin: Minor changes to commented text in bin/OpenSim.ini.example
2017-06-09 16:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #5618 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-09 16:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5618: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5618/
2017-06-09 16:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  make SendCoarseLocations async, since it is http. Make some actions use thread from pool and not a new one. Threading does need a deep cleanup one of this days. This stops mantis 8183 warnings, but as side effect only
2017-06-09 17:18 <osmantis> Bug #8183:04 [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread BackupWaitCallback -  but this is not being monitored 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8183 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-09 17:52 <osmantis> Bug #8183:04 [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread BackupWaitCallback -  but this is not being monitored 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8183 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-09 18:03 <osmantis> Bug #8183:04 [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread BackupWaitCallback -  but this is not being monitored 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8183 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-09 18:06 <osmantis> Bug #8183:04 [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread BackupWaitCallback -  but this is not being monitored 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8183 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-09 18:33 <osmantis> Bug #8183:04 [WATCHDOG]: Removing thread BackupWaitCallback -  but this is not being monitored 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8183 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-09 18:42 <Plugh> I've been asked whether there is a way to speed up texture loading?
2017-06-09 18:56 <Ubit> take a usb stick and drive to server :p
2017-06-09 18:58 <Ubit> if it has USB3.0 that is..
2017-06-09 19:08 <osmantis> Bug #8185:04 [LLUDPSERVER]: UseCircuitCode handling... Exception Object reference not set to an instance of an object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8185 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-09 19:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #5619 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-09 19:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5619: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5619/
2017-06-09 19:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: only silent remove threads from watch list if they stopped ( ie still consider aborted etc )
2017-06-09 19:20 <SignpostMarv> ding dong
2017-06-09 19:22 <SignpostMarv> noticing the tag for 0.9.0 doesn't compile due to git mergey wotsits; is there a recent stableish commit one would recommend, or should I just rewind it back to a tag in the 0.8 branch?
2017-06-09 19:43 <Ubit> hmm ?
2017-06-09 19:44 <Ubit> tag for 0.9.0 doesn't compile ??
2017-06-09 19:45 <Ubit> what  tag for 0.9.0 ?
2017-06-09 19:46 <SignpostMarv> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=viewblob&p=opensim&h=79a66abbd474be93cb167cb3a1d374cbbfc5166a&hb=f91BQZKqdp2CV3QV5nUEsqSg1ygegLmqRygj0ce30b8707b9&f=OpenSim/Framework/AvatarAppearance.cs
2017-06-09 19:46 <SignpostMarv> line 493
2017-06-09 19:47 <Ubit> got invalid hash on that url
2017-06-09 19:49 <SignpostMarv> hrm. viewgit is weird
2017-06-09 19:49 <SignpostMarv> this one maybe? http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=viewblob&p=opensim&h=79a66abbd474be93cb167cb3a1d374cbbfc5166a&f=OpenSim/Framework/AvatarAppearance.cs
2017-06-09 19:49 <Ubit> man that is old
2017-06-09 19:50 <Ubit> those are still merge issues from the avn merge code
2017-06-09 19:50 <Ubit> hmm
2017-06-09 19:51 <Ubit> actually no.. don't know what issue is that
2017-06-09 19:53 <Ubit> this that section on master
2017-06-09 19:53 <Ubit>            if (wearableId >= m_wearables.Length)
2017-06-09 19:53 <Ubit>             {
2017-06-09 19:53 <Ubit>                 int currentLength = m_wearables.Length;
2017-06-09 19:53 <Ubit>                 Array.Resize(ref m_wearables, wearableId + 1);
2017-06-09 19:53 <Ubit>                 for (int i = currentLength ; i < m_wearables.Length ; i++)
2017-06-09 19:53 <Ubit>                     m_wearables[i] = new AvatarWearable();
2017-06-09 19:53 <Ubit>             }
2017-06-09 19:53 <Ubit>             m_wearables[wearableId].Clear();
2017-06-09 19:53 <Ubit>             for (int i = 0; i < wearable.Count; i++)
2017-06-09 19:53 <Ubit>                 m_wearables[wearableId].Add(wearable[i].ItemID, wearable[i].AssetID);
2017-06-09 19:53 <Ubit>         }
2017-06-09 19:56 <Ubit> hmm
2017-06-09 19:57 <SignpostMarv> I have some vague recollection of seeing something on the mailing list about the branch/commit being borked
2017-06-09 19:57 <Ubit> well using git directly is working
2017-06-09 19:57 <Ubit> but that code seems odd
2017-06-09 19:58 <Ubit> that max check was needed at some point
2017-06-09 19:59 <Ubit> yeack
2017-06-09 20:00 <SignpostMarv> i'm mostly just using OpenSim.Framework.Servers.HttpServer stuffs as a reference, trying to get https support into ajaxlife
2017-06-09 20:00 <Ubit> yes there that merge issue did exist and was fixed by mel in  2015
2017-06-09 20:01 <SignpostMarv> :)
2017-06-09 20:01 <Ubit> so no ideia how u got it back
2017-06-09 20:01 <SignpostMarv> navigate to the file via the tag listed on http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=summary&p=opensim
2017-06-09 20:02 <Ubit> now not sure i do like mel choice of good code :p
2017-06-09 20:02 <Ubit> need to check
2017-06-09 20:02 <SignpostMarv> on the topic of http stuffs, I couldn't find anything via thunderbird's search of the mailing list, has there been any discussion re: http2 in opensim server comms ?
2017-06-09 20:02 <Ubit> this was a regions crash issue :p
2017-06-09 20:03 <Ubit> uff it would be nice if i could remember anything from 2015 no? :)
2017-06-09 20:04 <Ubit> but how did u got that code??
2017-06-09 20:05 <SignpostMarv> git remote add >canonical git url< ; git branch -m master-borked; git checkout canonical/master; git branch master; git checkout master; git tag | grep 0.9.0 ; git checkout 0.9.0
2017-06-09 20:05 <SignpostMarv> (my master had commits not on canonical master)
2017-06-09 20:05 <Ubit> u lost me on frist 3 chars :p
2017-06-09 20:06 <SignpostMarv> tl;dr; git clone >repo url<; git checkout 0.9.0
2017-06-09 20:06 <Ubit> ok mels choice seems ok..  we did replace fix size arrays by dinamic ones
2017-06-09 20:07 <SignpostMarv> 
ACTION still owes mel beers

2017-06-09 20:08 <Ubit> well that is damm early 0.9 code
2017-06-09 20:08 <Ubit> still with tons of merge issues like that ( and more hidden ones )
2017-06-09 20:10 <Ubit> what code do you want to have ?
2017-06-09 20:11 <SignpostMarv> I'm wanting to get https support into ajaxlife, so I was planning on using the OpenSim.Framework.Servers.HttpServer stuff as a reference, since I noticed there was already x509 stuffs in there
2017-06-09 20:11 <Ubit> ssl is damm broken
2017-06-09 20:11 <SignpostMarv> i.e. replacing minihttpd with httpserver_opensim
2017-06-09 20:11 <SignpostMarv> broken ?
2017-06-09 20:12 <Ubit> on regions yeap.. dead.. broken
2017-06-09 20:12 <Ubit> i have some working for regions on httptests
2017-06-09 20:13 <SignpostMarv> it's gotta be better to have https handled in c# than how I'm currently doing it- https://github.com/SignpostMarv/AjaxLife/blob/24fd405050eddd753b4bde257ce888d9d542f90c/http2-proxy.js
2017-06-09 20:13 <SignpostMarv> p.s.
2017-06-09 20:14 <SignpostMarv> ajaxlife is katharine berry's libomv/http-based viewer
2017-06-09 20:14 <Plugh> That check may have been to handle something that couldn't handle the additional wearables that are now supported. I seem to remember a discussion on the topic a while back.
2017-06-09 20:15 <Ubit> yes i do remember that now
2017-06-09 20:15 <Ubit> we used to have fixed size arrays
2017-06-09 20:15 <Ubit> not anymore
2017-06-09 20:16 <Ubit> ( and that did kill regions :) )
2017-06-09 20:16 <Ubit> no ideia how sign did recover that  mid merge work 
2017-06-09 20:18 <SignpostMarv> it's on the git repo :P
2017-06-09 20:18 <Ubit> well it is.. from 2015 :p
2017-06-09 20:21 <Plugh> Ubit, yea, that was it. It prevented overflowing a fixed sized array.
2017-06-09 20:21 <Ubit> was a first fix, then we just decided to make the size dinamic
2017-06-09 20:22 <Ubit> so no need to keep changing that
2017-06-09 20:22 <Ubit> ( there are checks on compabilty code.. hmm somewhere 
2017-06-09 20:23 <Ubit> guess on serializers
2017-06-09 20:23 <Ubit> bahh i don't remember my lunch..  and it was today.. not 2 yrs ago :)
2017-06-09 20:23 <Ubit> hmm btw did i lunch ?
2017-06-09 22:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #5620 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-09 22:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5620: SUCCESS in 5 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5620/
2017-06-09 22:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a adicional in transit flag to signal HG tps, and use it to ignore usernames requests sent to start region during tp; don't send unknows display names ( getdisplaynames cap )
2017-06-09 22:38 <smxy> additional*
2017-06-09 22:43 <Ubit> yes that 2
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2017-06-11 07:52 <SignpostMarv> ping Ubit
2017-06-11 11:32 <osmantis> Bug #8172:04 llJsonGetValue on complex json results in empty list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8172 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-06-11 12:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #5621 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-06-11 12:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: put back opensim 32bit launcher, renamed as OpenSim32.exe. This allows opensim to run in 32bit mode on 64bit machines. Possible most opensim regions should be running like this. 2GB of Virtual memory is still a lot on memory
2017-06-11 13:42 <smxy> Ubit: Why do you say it's possible most regions should be running in 32-bit mode?
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2017-06-11 13:46 <Ubit> bc they don't need 64b
2017-06-11 13:48 <Ubit> 32 uses less mem and is a bit faster ( as consequence)
2017-06-11 13:49 <Ubit> in fact in .net4.0  anyCPU does default to 32bits
2017-06-11 13:49 <Ubit> i mean .net 4.5
2017-06-11 13:49 <Ubit> had that suprise  testing it with our prebuild etc
2017-06-11 13:56 <smxy> There is no way I'm running this software under 32-bit, when the hardware and everything else in my system is 64-bit, unless OpenSim *requires* it.
2017-06-11 13:56 <smxy> The world has moved on from 32-bit.
2017-06-11 13:56 <Ubit> funny.. im running it in 32b
2017-06-11 13:56 <Ubit> you are wrong
2017-06-11 13:57 <smxy> s/has moved/is moving/
2017-06-11 13:57 <Ubit> looing to win7 taskmanager severral 32b ms apps
2017-06-11 13:57 <SignpostMarv> 64 bit launcher is still there, yes ?
2017-06-11 13:57 <Ubit> no not really
2017-06-11 13:57 <smxy> I could give a rat's ass what Microsoft does. :)
2017-06-11 13:57 <Ubit> you are wrong
2017-06-11 13:58 <Ubit> and of couser opensim.exe will run on machine setting
2017-06-11 13:58 <Ubit> opensim32 will do 32
2017-06-11 13:59 <smxy> It runs in 64-bit, bu default, on Linux, yes?
2017-06-11 13:59 <smxy> by*
2017-06-11 13:59 <Ubit> yes no worries.. i will not impose 32b :p
2017-06-11 13:59 <smxy> :)
2017-06-11 14:00 <Ubit> opensim.exe will run on the os size
2017-06-11 14:00 <Ubit> ( if we do manage to tell .net4.5 to do so )
2017-06-11 14:00 <Ubit> wel its easy.. we just need to fix prebuild.exe to add a missing option
2017-06-11 14:18 <smxy> Until you do, what is the effect? I'm not sure I understand what you said about anyCPU.
2017-06-11 14:18 <Ubit> its a c# and .net thing
2017-06-11 14:19 <Ubit> CIL code can be compiled for 32b, 64 or neutral
2017-06-11 14:19 <smxy> So, what does it currently do under Mono?
2017-06-11 14:19 <Ubit> with neutral decision is done at untime
2017-06-11 14:19 <Ubit> its like ms
2017-06-11 14:20 <Ubit> we of course do compile with anyCPU
2017-06-11 14:20 <Ubit> so same exe and dll  run on arms etc
2017-06-11 14:20 <smxy> So if I compile under Mono, it's making 32-bit binaries?
2017-06-11 14:21 <Ubit> well "binaries" is confusing
2017-06-11 14:21 <Ubit> bc compilation does not create cpu native code on mono on .net
2017-06-11 14:22 <Ubit> so with out settings the compile creates things that will run as 32b or 64b as decided at run time
2017-06-11 14:22 <Ubit> see ?
2017-06-11 14:22 <smxy> ok
2017-06-11 14:22 <Ubit> let me show you the code for the opensim32
2017-06-11 14:23 <Ubit> namespace OpenSim32{    class Program    {        static void Main(string[] args)        {            global::OpenSim.Application.Main(args);        }    }}
2017-06-11 14:23 <Ubit> just this...
2017-06-11 14:23 <Ubit> it calls opensim.exe
2017-06-11 14:23 <Ubit> but.. it is "compiled"  with enforcing 32b  mode only
2017-06-11 14:24 <Ubit> so when you run it, it will run as 32b.. and so everything it calls
2017-06-11 14:24 <Ubit> ,net VM things.. 
2017-06-11 14:25 <smxy> Got it. It's like using Java in 32- or 64-bit mode.
2017-06-11 14:25 <Ubit> yeap  java is same filosofy.. well c# did copy the idea
2017-06-11 14:25 <Ubit> java is older
2017-06-11 14:26 <Ubit> but same thing..   both are VMs
2017-06-11 14:26 <smxy> Oracle dropped 32-bit on Solaris, for 1.8. I suspect it will for other platforms, too.
2017-06-11 14:26 <Ubit> on normal languages that is a issue
2017-06-11 14:27 <Ubit> bc you do need to compile for 32b or 64b
2017-06-11 14:27 <Ubit> and that is a nasty maintance cost  and depoyment
2017-06-11 14:27 <Ubit> we do have that on the unmanged libs
2017-06-11 14:28 <Ubit> bin  lib32 and lib64
2017-06-11 14:28 <Ubit> so  if this was c++   forget..  64b only now :p
2017-06-11 14:29 <Ubit> just bc the pain ok keeping both
2017-06-11 14:30 <Ubit> wel i can tell u that on win7  in 64b mode.. part of the .net framework 4.0 is.. 32 bits
2017-06-11 14:38 <Ubit> ,,,,
2017-06-11 14:38 <Ubit> MEMORY STATISTICS
2017-06-11 14:38 <Ubit> Heap allocated to OpenSim   : 387 MB
2017-06-11 14:38 <Ubit> Last heap allocation rate   : 0.369 MB/s
2017-06-11 14:38 <Ubit> Average heap allocation rate: 0.382 MB/s
2017-06-11 14:38 <Ubit> Process memory:      Physical 774 MB     Paged 735 MB    Virtual 1159 MB
2017-06-11 14:38 <Ubit> Peak process memory: Physical 779 MB     Paged 741 MB    Virtual 1165 MB
2017-06-11 14:38 <Ubit> this a oar of wright plaza in 32b mode win7
2017-06-11 14:38 <Ubit> after enable logins
2017-06-11 14:39 <Ubit> total VM use 928MB ( includes all the loaded dlls etc )
2017-06-11 14:40 <Ubit> free 850MB ( limit is actually less than 2GB )
2017-06-11 14:40 <Ubit> i a hour i can tell in 64b :)
2017-06-11 14:42 <Ubit> 31981 prims
2017-06-11 14:43 <Ubit> ( of course this number of prims i whould use 64, even still having 800MB of free vm )
2017-06-11 14:44 <Ubit> the mem use at enable logins is less than it will be  ( even with good gc )
2017-06-11 14:44 <Ubit> still lot of code was not used.. so not JITed etc etc
2017-06-11 16:23 <osmantis> Bug #8187:04 running opensim in 32bit mode on 64bit machines 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8187 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-06-11 16:28 <osmantis> Bug #8187:04 running opensim in 32bit mode on 64bit machines 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8187 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-06-11 17:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #5622 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-11 17:16 <Ubit> oops
2017-06-11 17:16 <Ubit> exec flags :p
2017-06-11 17:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5622: FAILURE in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5622/
2017-06-11 17:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add opensim.sh and opensim32.sh for linux, replacing old opensim-ode.sh
2017-06-11 17:28 <Ubit> plugh hellppy
2017-06-11 17:28 <Plugh> ?
2017-06-11 17:28 <Ubit> cna u please fix the exec (.x) on the 2 .sh i added ?
2017-06-11 17:28 <Ubit> opensim.sh and opensim32.sh
2017-06-11 17:29 <Plugh> just a sec...
2017-06-11 17:29 <Ubit> th
2017-06-11 17:29 <Ubit> thx
2017-06-11 17:29 <Ubit> now tryng to understand why jenkins is not happy
2017-06-11 17:29 <Plugh> the two in the bin directory?
2017-06-11 17:29 <Ubit> yeap
2017-06-11 17:30 <Ubit> i replaced the old  opensim-ode.sh
2017-06-11 17:30 <Ubit> all engines can have the ulimit
2017-06-11 17:31 <Ubit> and sgen should be run in desktop mode
2017-06-11 17:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #5623 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5621 5 hr 26 min ago)
2017-06-11 17:31 <Ubit> hope older monos dont  fail with that option
2017-06-11 17:31 <Plugh> done
2017-06-11 17:31 <Ubit> if they do, then need to change it to a env option
2017-06-11 17:31 <Ubit> thx
2017-06-11 17:32 <Plugh> yw
2017-06-11 17:32 <Ubit> uff browing jenkins console
2017-06-11 17:34 <Ubit> BUILD FAILED - 1 non-fatal error(s), 3 warning(s)
2017-06-11 17:34 <Ubit> where in hell is it
2017-06-11 17:35 <Ubit> and damm fatal for a non fatal :)
2017-06-11 17:36 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2017-06-11 17:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5623: FIXED in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5623/
2017-06-11 17:36 <osjenkins> kevin: Set the execute bit on the bin/opensim*.sh files
2017-06-11 17:36 <Ubit> WHAT??
2017-06-11 17:37 <Plugh> :)
2017-06-11 17:37 <Ubit> buaaa  jenkins just doesn't like me 
2017-06-11 17:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #5624 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2017-06-11 17:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5624: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5624/
2017-06-11 17:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove a ref to old 32bitlauncher
2017-06-11 17:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #5625 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-11 18:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5625: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5625/
2017-06-11 18:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: actually.. its opensim, use same log file name in 32b mode
2017-06-11 18:27 <osmantis> Bug #8187:04 running opensim in 32bit mode on 64bit machines 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8187 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-06-11 18:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #5626 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-11 18:32 <djphil> Finally 32bit is not that bad ;p
2017-06-11 18:32 <Ubit> never was
2017-06-11 18:33 <Ubit> full 64b was a comercial BS
2017-06-11 18:34 <djphil> yeah, with 64bit a loze a lot of time to downlaod all 64bits i'm using lol
2017-06-11 18:34 <djphil> all program*
2017-06-11 18:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5626: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5626/
2017-06-11 18:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: forget about stupid mono 32bit
2017-06-11 18:37 <djphil> any way to get back a scripted object deleted by error with llDie or osDie ?
2017-06-11 18:37 <djphil> i think no but maybee somebody know a solution ...
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2017-06-11 19:40 <Plugh> If it was saved as an asset to the database then yes but it can take a while.
2017-06-11 19:41 <djphil> probably yes but i'm not owner of this database
2017-06-11 19:41 <djphil> It is osgrid
2017-06-11 19:48 <Plugh> Then I would say you are out of luck.
2017-06-11 19:49 <djphil> I think so, yes :s
2017-06-11 19:49 <djphil> I'm furious about myself
2017-06-11 19:50 <Plugh> If the asset was saved to the database in osgrid a SQL query can be run to check for an asset created by you within a given date range. With the database the size of osgrid it could take a while to run if it was saved as they save asset blobs to disk.
2017-06-11 19:50 <djphil> 3 days lozed :(
2017-06-11 19:50 <Plugh> Ouch.
2017-06-11 19:50 <djphil> yeah ...
2017-06-11 19:50 <Plugh> That's why I keep copies of scripts in inventory as well as in the object I'm working on.
2017-06-11 19:51 <djphil> working on a script over 3 days ... and just when i have done, i clic a button and i loze the main prim with sripts inside lol
2017-06-11 19:52 <djphil> i have some backup on my inventory too ... but only the v0.1
2017-06-11 19:55 <Plugh> Still better than not having anything at all.
2017-06-11 19:57 <djphil> sure
2017-06-11 19:57 <djphil> when need a time reversal function :)
2017-06-11 19:58 <djphil> we*
2017-06-11 19:59 <SignpostMarv> install osgrid instance on mac, use time machine :P
2017-06-11 19:59 <djphil> ok, give me a Mac ;p
2017-06-11 19:59 <djphil> 
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2017-06-11 20:04 <SignpostMarv> djphil: https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/product/big-mac.html
2017-06-11 20:04 <SignpostMarv> :P
2017-06-11 20:04 <SignpostMarv> 
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2017-06-11 20:08 <osmantis> Bug #8188:04 "Error while parsing element...."  with iar backup (grid modes) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8188 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-06-11 20:14 <smxy> I think I must have a dead cat. Looking around this room, it's clear that one exploded, at some point, given the amount of fur everywhere ...
2017-06-11 20:55 <osmantis> Bug #8187:04 running opensim in 32bit mode on 64bit Windows 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8187 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-06-11 21:10 <osmantis> Bug #8188:04 "Error while parsing element...."  with iar backup (grid modes) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8188 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-11 21:15 <osmantis> Bug #8188:04 "Error while parsing element...."  with iar backup (grid modes) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8188 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-11 21:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #5627 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-11 21:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5627: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5627/
2017-06-11 21:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a error message
2017-06-11 21:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #5628 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-11 21:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5628: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5628/
2017-06-11 21:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add/replace sources of OpenSim32.exe
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2017-06-12 00:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #5629 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-12 00:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5629: FAILURE in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5629/
2017-06-12 00:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: stop doing UpdateMovementAnimations on avatar collisions, that may cause incorrect changes
2017-06-12 00:17 <Ubit> you are bad jenkins
2017-06-12 00:18 <Ubit> well of course.. wrong assumptions
2017-06-12 00:22 <Ubit> hmm but why crouch hmm odd
2017-06-12 00:25 <Ubit> hmm it is the start one.. wonder why
2017-06-12 00:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #5630 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5628 2 hr 52 min ago)
2017-06-12 00:38 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2017-06-12 00:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5630: FIXED in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5630/
2017-06-12 00:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: try to mk jenkins happy
2017-06-12 10:17 <osmantis> Bug #8188:04 "Error while parsing element...."  with iar backup (grid modes) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8188 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-12 10:42 <Nexus_> Mobius grid wanted to change the PHLOX VM used in inworldz to work with OpenSim , anybody know if this was completed ?
2017-06-12 11:16 <Nexus_> Mobius grid wanted to change the PHLOX VM used in inworldz to work with OpenSim , anybody know if this was completed ?
2017-06-12 11:38 <Ubit> don't think that VM is opensource
2017-06-12 11:38 <Nexus_> its in the git of inworldz
2017-06-12 11:38 <Nexus_> its opensource
2017-06-12 11:38 <Ubit> not the VM
2017-06-12 11:39 <Nexus_> PHLOX Scripting Engine Porting to OpenSim 
2017-06-12 11:39 <Nexus_> is the title on the mobius site
2017-06-12 11:40 <Nexus_> I cant see if its done or not
2017-06-12 11:40 <Ubit> well on the halc git repo a major component of phalox is a bin dll only
2017-06-12 11:40 <Ubit> no sources
2017-06-12 11:40 <Ubit> and u can't do much  without it
2017-06-12 11:40 <Nexus_> ah i see waht you mean
2017-06-12 11:41 <Nexus_> what
2017-06-12 11:41 <Ubit> bc it also includes things like scripts constants
2017-06-12 11:41 <Ubit> so ..  well useless if you can't add new ones
2017-06-12 11:42 <Nexus_> but if the scrpt engine was changed can it run under opensim ? or is more needed ?
2017-06-12 11:49 <Nexus_> mmm i do see source code under "https://github.com/InWorldz/phlox/tree/master/CompilerRuntime"
2017-06-12 12:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #5631 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2017-06-12 12:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5631: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5631/
2017-06-12 12:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make some web request errors visible, so cause of later asset not found is clear
2017-06-12 12:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #5632 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-12 12:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5632: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5632/
2017-06-12 12:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: improve english on few messages (thx)
2017-06-12 13:39 <Katronix> hi all, can OpenSim be configured to run off an IPv6 address?
2017-06-12 14:29 <Ubit> no sorry
2017-06-12 14:30 <Ubit> current viewers also don't suport it
2017-06-12 14:41 <Katronix> ah okay 
2017-06-12 14:42 <Katronix> and I guess its a chicken and an egg thing? one won't support it, till the other does?
2017-06-12 14:49 <Ubit> kinda off :)
2017-06-12 14:58 <Katronix> for ipv6 I suppose it would be more than just increasing the length of where the IP is stored?
2017-06-12 14:59 <Ubit> yes.. a bit or a lot more than that :)
2017-06-12 14:59 <Ubit> ipv6 was not made very simple
2017-06-12 15:00 <Katronix> that sucks :(
2017-06-12 15:02 <osmantis> Bug #8188:04 "Error while parsing element...."  with iar backup (grid modes) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8188 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-12 15:05 <Katronix> has anyone compiled OpenSim against Microsoft's .Net Core? Does it run better than OpenSim under mono?
2017-06-12 15:06 <Ubit> possible anything will run opensim better than mono now :p
2017-06-12 15:07 <Ubit> i did not test .net core
2017-06-12 15:07 <Ubit> but seems its shared with mono code.. so.. well
2017-06-12 15:08 <Katronix> really? https://www.microsoft.com/net/core#linuxubuntu this doesn't seem to indicate that, unless this is just to much of a glossed over version
2017-06-12 15:10 <Ubit> not really in the mood of testing such a thing
2017-06-12 15:11 <Ubit> many "great inovations" on mono and .net are a fail with opensim
2017-06-12 15:11 <Ubit> like gc inovations so far
2017-06-12 15:12 <Ubit> bd opensim does not fit well on their ideas of "applications"
2017-06-12 15:12 <Ubit> and most those "inovations" do depend in those ideas
2017-06-12 15:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #5633 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-12 15:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5633: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5633/
2017-06-12 15:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix some issues on ubOde physics shape type changes
2017-06-12 16:50 <Matova> Osgrid take many messages like: [SynchronousRestObjectRequester]: Web request http://assets.osgrid.or g/assets/[UUID_ITEM] returned error: BadGateway Maybe asset issue(to osgrid)
2017-06-12 19:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #5634 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-12 19:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5634: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5634/
2017-06-12 19:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add Robust32.exe so recovering the option to run it also in 32bit on windows
2017-06-12 19:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #5635 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-12 19:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5635: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5635/
2017-06-12 19:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  update Robust32.exe build files
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2017-06-13 03:28 <Thoneve> Does hypergrid still work or is it broken these days? I get some gatekeeper errors when enabling it
2017-06-13 07:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #5636 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-13 08:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5636: SUCCESS in 5 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5636/
2017-06-13 08:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  remove excessive notion of paralelism
2017-06-13 11:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #5637 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-13 11:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5637: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5637/
2017-06-13 11:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: udp is not tcp. If mono versions have bronke udp sento, better update, also having 300 threads because object select is not funny
2017-06-13 12:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #5638 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-13 12:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5638: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5638/
2017-06-13 12:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  some cleanup
2017-06-13 13:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #5639 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-13 13:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5639: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5639/
2017-06-13 13:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  dont let time go back
2017-06-13 13:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #5640 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-13 13:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5640: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5640/
2017-06-13 13:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  hope gc does remove a little dic and contents
2017-06-13 15:55 <osmantis> Bug #8189:04 Script stop to work after sim restart. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8189 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-06-13 15:55 <osmantis> Bug #8189:04 Script stop to work after sim restart. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8189 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-13 17:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #5641 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-13 17:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5641: SUCCESS in 5 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5641/
2017-06-13 17:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add option for Fireandforget not timeout (our access to main smartThreadPool)
2017-06-13 17:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #5642 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-13 17:53 <Ubit> of mail ??  yeackk of main!!!
2017-06-13 17:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5642: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5642/
2017-06-13 17:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make JobEngine be a workitem of mail pool (smartThread), with the option to release thread after a idle time, so is free to do other service elsewhere
2017-06-13 18:02 <Plugh> Its that time of week again. Meeting in osgrid.
2017-06-13 18:02 <Ubit> better than time of the month
2017-06-13 18:03 <Ubit> hmm or moon cycle
2017-06-13 18:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #5643 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-13 18:25 <Ubit> poor jenkins... i made him confused
2017-06-13 18:25 <Ubit> allloooo  jenkinssss ??
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2017-06-13 19:23 <Ubit> hmm jenkis is stuck on [exec] ===> In Test Method : TestAddClient <===
2017-06-13 19:24 <Ubit> Started 1 hr 18 min ago
2017-06-13 19:24 <Ubit> ok need check that test
2017-06-13 19:25 <Ubit> guess it has no thread now
2017-06-13 19:28 <Ubit> yeap no threads  grrr
2017-06-13 19:29 <Ubit>  Util.FireAndForgetMethod = Util.DefaultFireAndForgetMethod;
2017-06-13 19:29 <Ubit> poff fails
2017-06-13 19:31 <Plugh> misterblue: Some questions came up at todays meeting about physics engines.
2017-06-13 19:34 <Ubit> hm plugh can u make jenkis restart?
2017-06-13 19:34 <Ubit> it is stuck
2017-06-13 19:35 <Ubit> possible need to kil the mono that is running that test also
2017-06-13 19:36 <osmantis> Bug #8189:04 Script stop to work after sim restart. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8189 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-13 19:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5643: FAILURE in 1 hr 36 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5643/
2017-06-13 19:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change llclient async udp packets processing. Removed the shared Jobengine that made only one thread do some packets for all users, and removed the FireAndForget, so each user could issue a unlimited number of threads. Added a new JobEngine per client, so each gets at most one thread,and that thread can be released if iddle (for 5 seconds )
2017-06-13 19:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #5644 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5642 1 hr 49 min ago)
2017-06-13 19:43 <Plugh> Looks like Jenkins is working again.
2017-06-13 19:43 <Ubit> yrap thx
2017-06-13 19:43 <Plugh> yw
2017-06-13 19:43 <Ubit> lets ee i did remove the stuck point
2017-06-13 19:44 <Ubit> those testes need rewirte
2017-06-13 19:44 <Ubit> we do need to test with full threading on 
2017-06-13 19:44 <Ubit> well some paths at least
2017-06-13 19:45 <Ubit> well this last changes may have impact on regions
2017-06-13 19:45 <Ubit> for the better or the worse ...
2017-06-13 19:45 <Ubit> well not may  but sure
2017-06-13 19:46 <Ubit> but having a user fireup 300 threads by selecting several prims... not nice
2017-06-13 19:46 <Ubit> well did fill up all the allowed threads
2017-06-13 19:46 <misterblue> Plugh: what physics questions were asked?
2017-06-13 19:47 <Plugh> Read the log of todays meeting (near the end)  :)
2017-06-13 19:47 <misterblue> anything you can do for thread management is an improvement, Ubit
2017-06-13 19:47 <Plugh> One issue was about difference between BS and ubODE affecting vehicles.
2017-06-13 19:47 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2017-06-13 19:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5644: FIXED in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5644/
2017-06-13 19:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: coment out tests that now depend on active thread pool
2017-06-13 19:48 <Ubit> ok fixed.. removing tests does fix things :P
2017-06-13 19:48 <Plugh> misterblue: If you can make next weeks meeting you can provide some information to those who raised some of the issues.
2017-06-13 19:48 <Plugh> misterblue: Oh, one was about which is the preferred physics engine.
2017-06-13 19:49 <Plugh> I'm going to head out. I have some things I need to do.
2017-06-13 19:49 <Ubit> well the standard answer for that is " the one that works best for you" :p
2017-06-13 19:49 <misterblue> Ubit has been doing a lot of work on his engine... I haven't been activily working on BulletSIm for a while
2017-06-13 19:50 <misterblue> that is the best answer... they each have their rough edges... but each has different rough edges 
2017-06-13 19:50 <Ubit> yeap
2017-06-13 19:51 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2017-06-13 19:52 <Plugh> bbl
2017-06-13 21:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #5645 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
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2017-06-13 23:52 <Ubit> oops
2017-06-13 23:52 <Ubit> jenkins where are you?
2017-06-13 23:53 <Ubit> damm stuck again ?
2017-06-13 23:54 <Ubit> why does testserializer needss threads? grrr
2017-06-13 23:59 <Ubit> actually.. can't see where it is stuck :(
2017-06-14 00:00 <Ubit> hmm think it was the hgtransfer threading
2017-06-14 00:59 <Ubit> can't guess where it is called :(
2017-06-14 01:04 <Ubit> ahh Plugh i did it again :)
2017-06-14 01:04 <Plugh> Let me guess. You modified those shell scripts again and lost the execute perms on them.
2017-06-14 01:05 <Ubit> poor jenkis stuck and this time i have no clue 
2017-06-14 01:05 <Plugh> oh. Jenkins is stuck again?
2017-06-14 01:05 <Ubit> form its console i can't tell what is the test
2017-06-14 01:05 <Ubit> mb the dll name can give a clue on the box
2017-06-14 01:06 <Ubit> hmm a region running idle using 63 threads? hmm  
2017-06-14 01:06 <Ubit> oops not idle im on it
2017-06-14 01:07 <Ubit> do u remember when a region only used 63 threads on idle ?
2017-06-14 01:10 <Plugh> I never knew how many threads were used.
2017-06-14 01:11 <Ubit> well win taskmanager shows it easy
2017-06-14 01:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5645: FAILURE in 3 hr 25 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5645/
2017-06-14 01:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: guess HGEntityTransferModule jobengine does not need a permanet thread
2017-06-14 01:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #5646 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5644 5 hr 29 min ago)
2017-06-14 01:11 <Ubit> oops
2017-06-14 01:12 <Ubit> there it goes again  bf i work around issue :)
2017-06-14 01:12 <Ubit> ahh mb now i can see where it was
2017-06-14 01:13 <Ubit> hmm or not
2017-06-14 01:16 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2017-06-14 01:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5646: FIXED in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5646/
2017-06-14 01:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: main generic use JobEngine also does not need a permanent thread.. actually doesn't even seem to be in use
2017-06-14 01:17 <Ubit> WHAT ?
2017-06-14 01:17 <Ubit> bad jenkins
2017-06-14 01:20 <Ubit> ohh 60 threads now
2017-06-14 01:20 <Plugh> ? 
2017-06-14 01:21 <Plugh> What now?
2017-06-14 01:21 <Ubit> i did not changed the code and it passed
2017-06-14 01:21 <Ubit> [02:19] <Ubit> hmm im giving threads to the JobEngines at start 
2017-06-14 01:21 <Ubit> [02:20] <Ubit> with timouts  from 5s to 30s
2017-06-14 01:21 <Ubit> [02:20] <Ubit> so possible one of those was now enought to pass
2017-06-14 01:22 <Ubit> ie atter those timeouts without work on a Job the thread returns to the main pool
2017-06-14 01:23 <Ubit> and it there is no work on it.. after a few seconds more it dies
2017-06-14 01:23 <Ubit> and on enqueue a work item on a job.. a new one is fired
2017-06-14 01:24 <Ubit> actually   thread pool has 2 active on reserver.. so one kicks it
2017-06-14 01:24 <Ubit> well it should be 2... but they are 3 :)
2017-06-14 01:25 <Ubit> btw you can see threads on console
2017-06-14 01:25 <Ubit> type show threads
2017-06-14 01:25 <Ubit> Total threads active: 60
2017-06-14 01:27 <Ubit> well this is win7 32bits on 64b :)
2017-06-14 01:28 <Ubit> you know.. that old history 32bits  acording to meeting :)
2017-06-14 01:29 <Plugh> I don't often look at the stats spit out on the console.
2017-06-14 01:30 <Ubit> well usefull on debug
2017-06-14 01:31 <Ubit> but really i keep holding myself from deleting some of those stats avaiable :)
2017-06-14 01:31 <Ubit> what a damm waste os resources
2017-06-14 01:32 <Plugh> Some could be made available only when running in Debug mode.
2017-06-14 01:34 <Ubit> yeap
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2017-06-14 02:04 <Ubit> FLOOD
2017-06-14 14:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #5647 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2017-06-14 15:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5647: SUCCESS in 5 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5647/
2017-06-14 15:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  remove options about script compilers the got back somehow
2017-06-14 15:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #5648 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-14 15:07 <Nate-EckoTek> Speaking of said hidden option, what's the method of telling ODE that I'm going to use C# over LSL?
2017-06-14 15:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5648: SUCCESS in 5 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5648/
2017-06-14 15:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  remove options about script compilers the got back somehow on defaults also
2017-06-14 15:26 <Ubit> ODE physics ... doesn't care about scripts compilers :p
2017-06-14 15:27 <Nate-EckoTek> It should become the new compiler, physical scripts flying about everywhere haha
2017-06-14 15:31 <Ubit> :)
2017-06-14 16:09 <Ubit> hmm nate
2017-06-14 16:10 <Ubit> testing alch 5
2017-06-14 16:10 <Ubit> and at least basic script did work ok
2017-06-14 16:10 <Ubit> Ooops
2017-06-14 16:10 <Ubit> not edit
2017-06-14 16:10 <Ubit> yeap similar error
2017-06-14 16:15 <Nate-EckoTek> Stupid linden breaking things for us!
2017-06-14 16:16 <Ubit> well it is their viewer for their grid
2017-06-14 16:16 <Ubit> they have all the right to change
2017-06-14 16:17 <Nate-EckoTek> That's very true, but that doesn't mean they should be so inconsiderate haha
2017-06-14 16:20 <Ubit> nahh its ok
2017-06-14 16:20 <Ubit> their viewer also only works at sl
2017-06-14 16:21 <Ubit> prob is the other viewers.. that say are opensim compatible and don't care 
2017-06-14 16:21 <Ubit> some expect we keep clonning sl
2017-06-14 16:21 <Nate-EckoTek> Or they class opensim compatible as "It connects"
2017-06-14 19:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #5649 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-06-14 19:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  some cleanup.. remove some stats that only some do look at once on a lifetime
2017-06-14 19:51 <Ubit> yeap alchemy beta 5.0 seems very broken for opensim uses
2017-06-14 19:51 <Ubit> even crashs
2017-06-14 19:53 <Ubit> hmm amd insists lbsa is a second life region
2017-06-14 19:54 <Ubit> well even after reinstall i can't mk ir run
2017-06-14 19:54 <Ubit> crashs on contat with target region
2017-06-14 19:55 <Ubit> ohh changed user and it worked
2017-06-14 21:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #5650 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-14 21:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5650: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5650/
2017-06-14 21:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix llsd DeserialiseOSDMap cast from boolean to int, this seems to fix alchemy beta 5.0 scripts upload, but this viewer seems to be of no use for opensim, sice it does crash.. insists lbsa is at second life etc
2017-06-14 21:13 <notskittles> @Ubit what's this stuff you're committing about alchemy in the opensim repo?
2017-06-14 21:16 <NateEckoTek> Ubit: Perhaps a fix for my issue? :D
2017-06-14 21:17 <notskittles> what issue?
2017-06-14 21:18 <NateEckoTek> Basically alchemy doesn't upload scripts in the way OS expects
2017-06-14 21:18 <NateEckoTek> Due to SL changing the way it uploads scripts...
2017-06-14 21:20 <notskittles> what change was that?
2017-06-14 21:20 <NateEckoTek> I personally have no idea, all I know is if you use alchemy 5 scripts won't edit, you'll get a error in opensim
2017-06-14 21:20 <Ubit> yeap  script edit seems working now
2017-06-14 21:21 <Ubit> just the damm thing crashs
2017-06-14 21:21 <Ubit> ( on relog later )
2017-06-14 21:21 <notskittles> the viewer crashes?
2017-06-14 21:21 <Ubit> no idea why it crashs.. no log 
2017-06-14 21:22 <NateEckoTek> I'll update OS and check it out in a bit, see if I can shed some light on whatever new issue we have
2017-06-14 21:22 <notskittles> so you upload a script and the viewer crashes?
2017-06-14 21:22 <notskittles> what's the thing about lbsa being at second life?
2017-06-14 21:22 <Ubit> viewer change was  scritp upload is now via http
2017-06-14 21:22 <notskittles> well yeah, that was done like five years ago.
2017-06-14 21:23 <Ubit> and for same reason  our code assumed running flag is a int 
2017-06-14 21:23 <Ubit> well other viewer do not do that
2017-06-14 21:24 <Ubit> wel issue was our code expected  the (boolean) is running to be encoded as int field for some odd reason
2017-06-14 21:24 <Ubit> since is boolean.. cast to int did fail
2017-06-14 21:24 <notskittles> LLSD bools are int.
2017-06-14 21:24 <Ubit> yeap but our code did mess it up
2017-06-14 21:25 <notskittles> i see.
2017-06-14 21:25 <notskittles> what's the thing about lbsa?
2017-06-14 21:25 <Ubit> so lets say our side issue that one
2017-06-14 21:25 <NateEckoTek> I'll do a bit of investigating in a few Ubit
2017-06-14 21:25 <Ubit> on osg page select a region
2017-06-14 21:25 <notskittles> well i'm not interested in placing blame. just want to fix problems. :)
2017-06-14 21:25 <NateEckoTek> See if we can't slap these issues
2017-06-14 21:25 <Ubit> viewer changes grid to sl
2017-06-14 21:26 <notskittles> on the grid map?
2017-06-14 21:26 <Ubit> on osgrid openpage
2017-06-14 21:26 <notskittles> oh, before login.
2017-06-14 21:26 <Ubit> yes
2017-06-14 21:26 <Ubit> osg lists several regions 
2017-06-14 21:27 <Ubit> now the crash is odd
2017-06-14 21:27 <Ubit> i did log with no issues
2017-06-14 21:27 <Ubit> on relog Boing..
2017-06-14 21:28 <Ubit> used other avatar.. worked
2017-06-14 21:28 <Ubit> cleat cache no fix
2017-06-14 21:28 <NateEckoTek> When does the crash happen?
2017-06-14 21:28 <NateEckoTek> Cause I seem to get very rare crashes on login but that's about it
2017-06-14 21:28 <notskittles> i see, so the slurl is kicking it back to secondlife. i can look into fixing that, but really i think the better fix for that is to get x-grid-info:// into other viewers and use that instead of secondlife://
2017-06-14 21:28 <Ubit> on early region connection stages
2017-06-14 21:29 <notskittles> x-grid-info:// is designed for hypergrid and opensim.
2017-06-14 21:29 <notskittles> but i'll see about fixing the osg thing.
2017-06-14 21:29 <Ubit> ok
2017-06-14 21:29 <notskittles> nobody reports issues to us at alchemy. lol
2017-06-14 21:29 <notskittles> so i fix stuff when i hear about it.
2017-06-14 21:29 <Ubit> let me tru again the crash
2017-06-14 21:29 <notskittles> ok
2017-06-14 21:30 <NateEckoTek> notskittles: Are you a DJ by any chance?
2017-06-14 21:30 <notskittles> i dj'd in second life for about a month in 2008 but that's all.
2017-06-14 21:30 <NateEckoTek> So you're not the DJ skittles who lives down the road from me?
2017-06-14 21:31 <notskittles> no, i'm not skittles.
2017-06-14 21:31 <NateEckoTek> Ahh damn, he's a fucking amazing person, which I bet you are too
2017-06-14 21:31 <notskittles> aka Cinder Biscuits alchemy developer.
2017-06-14 21:31 <Ubit> well region did got the caps creation etc
2017-06-14 21:31 <NateEckoTek> Oh damn, you're a alchemy dev
2017-06-14 21:31 <Ubit> guess around udp connection
2017-06-14 21:32 <notskittles> if scripts will upload via cap that's best, but i may need to readd the udp method i guess.
2017-06-14 21:32 <Ubit> well that should not me a issue now
2017-06-14 21:32 <notskittles> kk
2017-06-14 21:32 <Ubit> i did add that cast 
2017-06-14 21:33 <Ubit> well on master...  
2017-06-14 21:33 <Ubit> it will take time to get into live regions
2017-06-14 21:33 <Ubit> odd the other alt does log fine
2017-06-14 21:34 <notskittles> maybe something in COF?
2017-06-14 21:34 <Ubit> same ava did log fine on fs after that
2017-06-14 21:35 <Ubit> hmm scritp loading state is stored anywhere?
2017-06-14 21:35 <notskittles> not viewer side.
2017-06-14 21:36 <Ubit> its the only odd thing that happend with that alt
2017-06-14 21:37 <Ubit> yeap the ava is fine with fs
2017-06-14 21:37 <Ubit> heel
2017-06-14 21:37 <Ubit> i type a new avatar name and it logs me with older
2017-06-14 21:38 <notskittles> in alchemy?
2017-06-14 21:38 <Ubit> yes
2017-06-14 21:38 <Ubit> did it again
2017-06-14 21:39 <Ubit> typed Ubit Test, it change it to the other called Ubit Test2
2017-06-14 21:39 <notskittles> hmm
2017-06-14 21:40 <Ubit> ohh i need to do ENTER on the name change it seems
2017-06-14 21:40 <notskittles> shouldn't need to. that's a bug.
2017-06-14 21:40 <notskittles> i'll fix it.
2017-06-14 21:40 <notskittles> that code is new for saving multiple user/pass combos.
2017-06-14 21:40 <Ubit> guess not reading the textbox contents when it loses focus
2017-06-14 21:41 <Ubit> ok i did login now
2017-06-14 21:41 <Ubit> no crash
2017-06-14 21:41 <notskittles> yeah, it's a tricky control. it's really a combo box, but when you type in the text, it doesn't commit the text to the combo without pressing enter.
2017-06-14 21:42 <notskittles> dumb linden ui controls.
2017-06-14 21:42 <Ubit> :)
2017-06-14 21:42 <Ubit> ok made a box.. added a script.. edited..  worked ( master dev region )
2017-06-14 21:43 <Ubit> so only reason you may need to look to http/udp script load is that master will take ages to get into use :)
2017-06-14 21:43 <notskittles> k
2017-06-14 21:44 <Ubit> region cross ok
2017-06-14 21:45 <Ubit> bahh relog worked
2017-06-14 21:46 <Ubit> retesting on the same sopt next to a pile of some 320 boxes :)
2017-06-14 21:47 <Ubit> well no relacion region did not log udp like completemovent on the crash case
2017-06-14 21:47 <Ubit> CRASH
2017-06-14 21:47 <Ubit> i did retype the name
2017-06-14 21:47 <Ubit> and crahs
2017-06-14 21:48 <Ubit> ie retyped the name, and did login without enter
2017-06-14 21:49 <Ubit> odd damm now crashs always
2017-06-14 21:56 <Ubit> grrr
2017-06-14 21:56 <Ubit> now both alts crash
2017-06-14 21:57 <Ubit> changing region to lbsa... same crash
2017-06-14 21:57 <Ubit> hmm let me see with winproxy
2017-06-14 22:42 <Nate-EckoTek> Hows it going Ubit 
2017-06-14 22:58 <Ubit> ooops i went to eat someting :)
2017-06-14 23:03 <Nate-EckoTek> I pinged out haha
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2017-06-14 23:38 <Ubit> seems i have no crahs forcing windows vista compatibilty
2017-06-14 23:40 <Ubit> hmm i do kinda remembe in past alch failed to install bc it said my box was other version that it really is
2017-06-14 23:44 <Ubit> grrr i already have the damm c++ redist 
2017-06-14 23:47 <Ubit> 2017-06-14T23:45:18Z INFO: #SystemInfoLLAppViewer::writeSystemInfo: OS: Microsoft Windows 7 64-bit
2017-06-14 23:47 <Ubit> 2017-06-14T23:45:18Z INFO: #SystemInfoLLAppViewer::writeSystemInfo: OS info: Microsoft Windows 7 64-bit Service Pack 1 (Build 6002)
2017-06-14 23:47 <Ubit> it does read the os version
2017-06-14 23:58 <Ubit> ok sounds like installer thinks that win7 is win vista
2017-06-14 23:58 <Ubit> or something like that
2017-06-14 23:59 <Ubit> ( or win7 thinks installer is a win vista app )
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2017-06-15 03:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #5651 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-06-15 03:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  update inventory item permissions on deattach
2017-06-15 13:28 <djphil> Hi, i search infos about "Model name []" when create user in Robust console
2017-06-15 13:29 <djphil> i found nothing here : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Server_Commands
2017-06-15 13:29 <djphil> anyone have info about ?
2017-06-15 13:29 <Ubit> had to look on sources
2017-06-15 13:29 <Ubit> and u can do it  :p
2017-06-15 13:29 <djphil> i can't understand proprely sources :s
2017-06-15 19:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #5652 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-06-15 19:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  change the clock source for EnvironmentTickCount so it does get a bit more resolution if avaiable (1ms) specially on windows. This until all calls to this are removed. Coment out some stats in workpool/threads creation path
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2017-06-16 17:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #5653 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-06-16 17:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  framework main thread pool is always active and in use ( even id hard to catch) so show in on show stats. Disable ServerStatsCollector by default, since most don't use it, Adicionally it uses shared framework performance counters system that may be affected if a region crashs
2017-06-16 17:23 <Ubit> ( yes my box perf counters got broken by that.. need to reboot the damm thing :p )
2017-06-16 17:24 <Ubit> i mean broken on a region crash..
2017-06-16 17:26 <Ubit> most the damm things are for debug.. not to use just bc its funny to see numbers
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2017-06-16 17:40 <smxy> Some may use them to have a running guage on the performance of their simulators and to spot trends/issues.
2017-06-16 17:52 <Ubit> i did not remove just fliped default and made the option visible
2017-06-16 17:52 <Ubit> i know it has uses
2017-06-16 22:12 <smxy> Ubit: Is dev master HEAD suitable for running a grid on? I mean, does it have any known, big problems? Little ones are certainly expected for dev code.
2017-06-16 22:23 <Ubit> none i know of
2017-06-16 22:24 <Ubit>  and its "Little ones are certainly expected for OpenSim"
2017-06-16 22:24 <Ubit> :)
2017-06-16 22:25 <Ubit> btw osg is mainly on 91
2017-06-16 22:26 <smxy> Okay, thanks. I may update to HEAD this weekend, then.
2017-06-16 22:27 <smxy> Currently running 0.9.0.0 from October 2, 2016.
2017-06-16 22:27 <Ubit> any problem.. you know mantis well :)
2017-06-16 22:27 <smxy> Yup.
2017-06-16 22:30 <Ubit> on recent monos
2017-06-16 22:30 <Ubit> robust GC may also be better with --desktop option
2017-06-16 22:30 <Ubit> but never tests
2017-06-16 22:30 <Ubit> tested..
2017-06-16 22:34 <Ubit> well we stil have that reverse dns issue open :(
2017-06-16 22:35 <Ubit> i did not found where it may kick in our code, except bans
2017-06-16 22:35 <Ubit> ( that where broken anyway )
2017-06-16 22:58 <smxy> Okay. Well, that sounds like the usual stuff, so nothing that scares me away from updating. :) Thanks.
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2017-06-16 23:05 <smxy> Are people successfully using versions of Mono 5? I thought I might try both compiling and running, with it.
2017-06-16 23:05 <Ubit> im running a little region with mono 5 on Bill VM
2017-06-16 23:06 <smxy> "Bill VM"?
2017-06-16 23:07 <Ubit> BillBlight there "gave" me a ubuntu VM to test those shutdown issues etc
2017-06-16 23:07 <smxy> Ah.
2017-06-16 23:07 <Ubit> my own linux box died :)
2017-06-16 23:07 <smxy> Are the shutdown issues resolved?
2017-06-16 23:07 <Ubit> yeap..  but shutdown path only
2017-06-16 23:08 <Ubit> cntr-c  may freeze etc
2017-06-16 23:08 <smxy> I normally shut it down properly.
2017-06-16 23:08 <Ubit> its a mono issue
2017-06-16 23:08 <smxy> Yes, nothing is ever an OpenSim issue. :p
2017-06-16 23:08 <Ubit> does not stop backgroud threads in some stats it it should
2017-06-16 23:08 <Ubit> nahh opensim has issues
2017-06-16 23:09 <Ubit> not that :p
2017-06-16 23:09 <smxy> hehe
2017-06-16 23:10 <Ubit> bc by definition background threads can not prevent a applicatiom exit
2017-06-16 23:10 <Ubit> unlike foreground ones
2017-06-16 23:11 <Ubit> and they do on mono as i said, in same cases
2017-06-16 23:21 <smxy> Mono is up to 5.2.0.175, from 9 days ago, but libgdiplus hasn't seen a new version since the end of 2015 ...
2017-06-16 23:21 <smxy> They used to track.
2017-06-17 05:57 <osmantis> Bug #8190:04 TWEAK to OSSL osGetNotecardLine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8190 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-17 21:30 <osmantis> Bug #7543:04 Error Generating Login Response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7543 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-17 22:19 <osmantis> Bug #7543:04 Error Generating Login Response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7543 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-17 22:47 <osmantis> Bug #7543:04 Error Generating Login Response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7543 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-17 22:50 <osmantis> Bug #7543:04 Error Generating Login Response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7543 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-17 22:54 <osmantis> Bug #7543:04 Error Generating Login Response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7543 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-17 23:31 <osmantis> Bug #7543:04 Error Generating Login Response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7543 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-06-18 10:06 <Nate-EckoTek> Hows it going guys
2017-06-18 10:09 <Nate-EckoTek> Ubit, Is alch still crashing for you? Any update on that front?
2017-06-18 10:15 <Ubit> no after i forced win7 compatibility on the installer
2017-06-18 10:16 <Ubit> seems doing nothing it thinks my box is a win vista
2017-06-18 10:16 <Ubit> and then  smokes
2017-06-18 10:32 <danbanner> smoking is bad for you
2017-06-18 10:32 <Ubit> :)
2017-06-18 12:57 <Nate-EckoTek> Ubit: Smokes as in crashes?
2017-06-18 14:07 <Matova> About NPC: how to detect a NPC using sensor ? avatar can be detected using AGENT, and about NPC ?
2017-06-18 14:25 <Nate-EckoTek> Matova: As far as I'm aware it should be exactly the same assuming you've changed your config so that NPCs can be detected by sensors
2017-06-18 14:25 <Matova> ah I found how, a guy at osgrid help me to solve :) just call tag NPC
2017-06-18 14:26 <Nate-EckoTek> Sorted then :D
2017-06-18 14:26 <Matova> thank you too :)
2017-06-18 14:27 <Nate-EckoTek> No problem man, if you need anymore help feel free to highlight me
2017-06-18 14:29 <Matova> great :)
2017-06-18 14:55 <osmantis> Bug #8191:04 llRegionSayTo does not work to NPC 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8191 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-06-18 14:59 <djphil_> Matova : what do you whant to say to a npc ?
2017-06-18 15:00 <Matova> direct msg better to land channel 
2017-06-18 15:00 <Matova> many informations 
2017-06-18 15:01 <djphil_> you mean comands ?
2017-06-18 15:01 <Matova> yes 
2017-06-18 15:02 <djphil_> out of basic npc commands ?
2017-06-18 15:02 <djphil_> like pose, rot, ...
2017-06-18 15:02 <Matova> like combat
2017-06-18 15:02 <Matova> fight
2017-06-18 15:03 <Matova> many informations, position, rot, target
2017-06-18 15:03 <Matova> dynamic
2017-06-18 15:03 <djphil_> you can with play anim or move to target
2017-06-18 15:03 <djphil_> why send by llRegionSayTo ?
2017-06-18 15:03 <djphil_> you can use osNpc functions for that
2017-06-18 15:03 <Matova> take less lag. I can do different too
2017-06-18 15:04 <Matova> but has a command to send message only? osnpc command to receive a string ?
2017-06-18 15:04 <djphil_> no
2017-06-18 15:05 <djphil_> that why i ask why you use llRegionSayTo :p
2017-06-18 15:05 <Matova> beucase I need to send other parameters not only actions like sit, animations
2017-06-18 15:06 <Matova> string list parameters
2017-06-18 15:06 <Matova> but I can to use llRegionSay too
2017-06-18 15:06 <Matova> but direct better
2017-06-18 15:06 <djphil_> hmmm and how to npc detect it ... ?
2017-06-18 15:06 <Matova> listen
2017-06-18 15:06 <djphil_> we don't have listen_npc(...)
2017-06-18 15:07 <Matova> no needs
2017-06-18 15:07 <djphil_> listen is for a prim or mesh
2017-06-18 15:07 <Matova> just create with an object on the body
2017-06-18 15:07 <Matova> yes
2017-06-18 15:07 <Matova> works to
2017-06-18 15:07 <Matova> too*
2017-06-18 15:07 <Matova> example: I want to send a message to object on the NPC
2017-06-18 15:07 <djphil_> the object with the npc script you mean ?
2017-06-18 15:07 <Matova> yes
2017-06-18 15:07 <djphil_> ok
2017-06-18 15:08 <djphil_> then is the object reciever
2017-06-18 15:08 <djphil_> not the npc
2017-06-18 15:08 <Matova> but llRegionSayTo works only to owner of the objet. The NPC is not the owner
2017-06-18 15:08 <djphil_> you need to send to the object uuid
2017-06-18 15:08 <djphil_> not to the npc uuid
2017-06-18 15:08 <djphil_> npc cant listen
2017-06-18 15:09 <Matova> yes, NPC cant be the owner. 
2017-06-18 15:09 <Matova> so I need to use llRegionSay only
2017-06-18 15:09 <djphil_> maybee you can try to add listen to wearable
2017-06-18 15:10 <Matova> the problem is about owner, NPC not is the owner, the creator of NPC is the owner of the object on the NPC body
2017-06-18 15:11 <djphil_> have you try OS_NPC_CREATOR_OWNED or OS_NPC_NOT_OWNED.
2017-06-18 15:12 <Matova> to object on the NPC body?
2017-06-18 15:12 <djphil_> no, in npc script
2017-06-18 15:12 <djphil_> in the osNpcCreate
2017-06-18 15:13 <djphil_> (i'm not sure i understand you correctly)
2017-06-18 15:14 <Matova> it will work to create, the problem is about object owner on the body NPC. If all object on the body of NPC take as owner the NPC uuid, will works fine 
2017-06-18 15:14 <Matova> but the owner cant be a NPC, maybe
2017-06-18 15:15 <Matova> 1 - Owner of NPC (correct, works) 
2017-06-18 15:15 <Matova> 2 - Objects on the NPC dont have as Owner the NPC (this is the problem)
2017-06-18 15:15 <djphil_> ok, we nedd osNpcWearableOwner(uuid); :)
2017-06-18 15:28 <Matova> hey, I think works. Let me do another test, Using llRegionSayTo
2017-06-18 15:28 <djphil_> okay
2017-06-18 15:31 <Matova> yes, works And got npc as owner of the object too
2017-06-18 15:31 <djphil_> npc need root inventory too ...
2017-06-18 15:31 <djphil_> what work ?
2017-06-18 15:32 <Matova> I think all . the problem only channel 0 , I think
2017-06-18 15:32 <Matova> was changed the channel 
2017-06-18 15:32 <Matova> like it..
2017-06-18 15:32 <Matova> llListen(3,"",NULL_KEY,"");
2017-06-18 15:32 <djphil_> ha cool
2017-06-18 15:32 <Matova>  listen(integer chan, string name, key id, string msg) {        llSay(0,"msg=" + msg);        llSay(0,llGetObjectName() + "\nOwner name: " + llKey2Name(llGetOwnerKey(llGetKey())));                llSay(0,llGetObjectName() + "\nOwner key: " + llGetOwner());     }
2017-06-18 15:33 <Matova> got the correct uuid NPC and name too
2017-06-18 15:33 <Matova> and on the other object to send message I did:
2017-06-18 15:33 <Matova>  llRegionSayTo(NPC_UUID,3,"test 1 2 3");
2017-06-18 15:34 <Matova> let me see negative channel, cause to channel 0 dont work
2017-06-18 15:40 <Matova> is ok. llRegionSayTo works fine. And objects too. The problem was the channel 0 to make the test but.. 0 is not used for it. So great.
2017-06-18 15:43 <djphil_> confirmed
2017-06-18 15:44 <djphil_> this one don't work  "osForceAttachToOtherAvatarFromInventory" to a npc
2017-06-18 15:51 <osmantis> Bug #8191:04 llRegionSayTo does not work to NPC 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8191 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-06-19 02:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #5654 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-19 02:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5654: SUCCESS in 7 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5654/
2017-06-19 02:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  a defual can me comented out
2017-06-19 04:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #5655 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-19 04:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5655: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5655/
2017-06-19 04:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  revert EnvironmentTick back to orignal clock, since change may cause issues on some code paths. Clean a bit get mesh and get texture throttle
2017-06-19 09:01 <osmantis> Bug #8192:04 [MOAP] The characters "é è à â ä" of a notecard are not displayed correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8192 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2017-06-19 18:32 <SignpostMarv> good evening; I don't suppose anyone's made a prebuild flattening tool ? i.e. loading dependent projects into current solution as source instead of assemblies ?
2017-06-19 19:02 <SignpostMarv> on a vaguely related note, just wondering why opensim-libs projects haven't been given the prebuild treatment ?
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2017-06-19 21:12 <Nate-EckoTek> What's the best method of talking between prims in the same region?
2017-06-19 21:13 <Nate-EckoTek> That's wrong sorry, talking between objects in the same simulator but different region
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2017-06-21 02:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #5656 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-21 02:34 <osmantis> Bug #8193:04 [SERIALIZER] Deserialization of xml failed and Failed XML (AutoBackupModule) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8193 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-21 02:35 <osmantis> Bug #7352:04 Autobackup - Code-up error: timerMap doesn't contain timer System.Timers.Timer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7352 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-21 02:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5656: SUCCESS in 5 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5656/
2017-06-21 02:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  changes to AutoBackModule. Time interval is now unique and only definable on OpenSim.ini. All enabled regions will be saved in sequence whne it expires. Interval is time since last region save end, so will not follow wall clock. This reduces the chance of overlapped saves. Console command renamed to dooarbackup to be more distint from db backup. Lost the region load checks, to put back later
2017-06-21 02:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #5657 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-21 02:58 <Ubit> well hope u don't have a region named ALL
2017-06-21 02:58 <Ubit> :p
2017-06-21 03:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5657: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5657/
2017-06-21 03:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  changes to AutoBackModule. Add option ALL to dooarbackup to save all regions in instance
2017-06-21 03:02 <Ubit> grrr why is oar saving leaking?
2017-06-21 03:03 <Ubit> hmm true or gc? hmm
2017-06-21 03:13 <smxy> Maybe your oar has a hole in it ...
2017-06-21 03:13 <Ubit> yeah possible :)
2017-06-21 03:15 <Ubit> well a few here
2017-06-21 03:15 <Ubit>         private static Dictionary<string, Action<LandData, XmlReader>> m_ldProcessors            = new Dictionary<string, Action<LandData, XmlReader>>();
2017-06-21 03:27 <Ubit> but seems GC things
2017-06-21 03:28 <Ubit> well going to sleep :)
2017-06-21 04:35 <Nate-EckoTek> Has C# in scripts been removed completely? I can literally put //c# in a script, and write random anythings and it will still say "Save Completed" and show no errors
2017-06-21 06:52 <osmantis> Bug #8194:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osDrawFilledEllipse 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8194 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2017-06-21 13:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #5658 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-21 13:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5658: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5658/
2017-06-21 13:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  changes to AutoBackModule. Store folder and number of days expire is now also only defined in OpenSim.ini and so same for all regions.
2017-06-21 17:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #5659 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-21 17:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5659: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5659/
2017-06-21 17:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make oar/iar assets writer be done by caller thread like the rest of the
2017-06-21 19:05 <SignpostMarv> lol "pContext.GiveMeTheNetworkStreamIKnowWhatImDoing()"
2017-06-21 19:05 <Ubit> yeap
2017-06-21 19:05 <Ubit> :)
2017-06-21 19:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #5660 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-21 19:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5660: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5660/
2017-06-21 19:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do not try to store on oars temporary or in transit objects ( they may be deleted during the save)
2017-06-21 20:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #5661 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-21 20:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5661: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5661/
2017-06-21 20:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  avoid some broken object assets present in osgrid inventories due to past problems, etc
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2017-06-22 01:20 <Nate-EckoTek> Does anyone know a program that I can use to check if my scripts will compile? Like a sort of OS IDE?
2017-06-22 01:22 <Ubit> mb a think called opensim?
2017-06-22 01:22 <Ubit> :p
2017-06-22 01:22 <Ubit> hmm actually we do have a standalone compiler..
2017-06-22 01:22 <Ubit> hmm somewhere
2017-06-22 01:25 <Plugh> Nate-EckoTek: I do if I can remember what it was called.
2017-06-22 01:25 <NateEckotek> Ubit: I do most of my coding through opensim but I kind of want a lightweight thing for quick edits or long edits that won't overheat my laptop
2017-06-22 01:25 <Plugh> Look for something called LSL Editor. 
2017-06-22 01:26 <Plugh> or try LSL Plus
2017-06-22 01:26 <Plugh> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LSL_Alternate_Editors
2017-06-22 01:26 <Plugh> missed
2017-06-22 01:26 <NateEckotek> <---
2017-06-22 01:27 <Plugh> http://lslplus.sourceforge.net/
2017-06-22 01:27 <Ubit> ohh we have a compiler on tools
2017-06-22 01:28 <Ubit> not sure its still ok
2017-06-22 01:28 <Nate-EckoTek> That's what I mean, it works, and I can use that but I have to pipe it through a command line and all this long stuff
2017-06-22 01:29 <Ubit> hmm it may still work
2017-06-22 01:29 <Nate-EckoTek> It seems to work, no difference in what that outputs and what's outputted in-world
2017-06-22 01:30 <Ubit> well thats the idea :)
2017-06-22 01:31 <Ubit> Console.WriteLine(CompileFromDotNetText(source,"a.out"));
2017-06-22 01:31 <Ubit> a.out remembers something ... 
2017-06-22 01:33 <Nate-EckoTek> I swear there was a notepad++ extension that included both LSL and OSSL functions... really can't recall, this was years ago
2017-06-22 01:36 <Nate-EckoTek> WhiteStar had it.. and removed it
2017-06-22 01:36 <Ubit> don't think wordstar had it :p
2017-06-22 01:37 <Nate-EckoTek> Was on their github
2017-06-22 01:38 <Nate-EckoTek> LSLPre seems to be what I need
2017-06-22 01:41 <Nate-EckoTek> Except it won't save anything -.-
2017-06-22 01:50 <Plugh> Ubit: WordStar??  :)
2017-06-22 01:50 <Ubit> :)
2017-06-22 02:09 <Plugh> I used to use WordStar a long time ago
2017-06-22 03:09 <smxy> Didn't everyone? :)
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2017-06-22 18:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #5662 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-22 18:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5662: SUCCESS in 6 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5662/
2017-06-22 18:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  split some asset uuids gather i stages with dif possible errors, and dont let them be fatal
2017-06-22 20:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #5663 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-22 20:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5663: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5663/
2017-06-22 20:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  change uuidgather a bit more
2017-06-22 20:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #5664 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-06-22 20:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  show the count of broken assets we now have from gather on iar/oar pre save information
2017-06-22 21:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #5665 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-06-22 21:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  actually iar do it for iar
2017-06-22 21:15 <osmantis> Bug #8187:04 running opensim in 32bit mode on 64bit Windows 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8187 ): has been UPDATED.
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2017-06-23 00:27 <Ubit> Current simulator: OpenSim 0.7.6 Release             (Win/.NET)
2017-06-23 00:27 <Ubit> outch
2017-06-23 00:28 <Ubit> well hg tp did work
2017-06-23 00:28 <Ubit> fs textures.. not really
2017-06-23 00:29 <Ubit> errr and a few more things..
2017-06-23 00:29 <Ubit> 
ACTION browsing a list of HG grids

2017-06-23 00:43 <Ubit> hmm "your viewer does not follow MVC security procedures" ??
2017-06-23 01:00 <Ubit> ok i know what that is
2017-06-23 01:00 <Ubit> is a grid testing a thing that does now require own viewers
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2017-06-23 09:18 <osmantis> Bug #8195:04 Save OAR - New errors at early stage of UUID GATHERER now confusing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8195 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-06-23 09:20 <osmantis> Bug #8195:04 Save OAR - New errors at early stage of UUID GATHERER now confusing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8195 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-06-23 09:25 <osmantis> Bug #8195:04 Save OAR - New errors at early stage of UUID GATHERER now confusing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8195 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-06-23 09:27 <osmantis> Bug #8195:04 Save OAR - New errors at early stage of UUID GATHERER now confusing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8195 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-23 13:05 <osmantis> Bug #8195:04 Save OAR - New errors at early stage of UUID GATHERER now confusing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8195 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-23 13:09 <osmantis> Bug #8195:04 Save OAR - New errors at early stage of UUID GATHERER now confusing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8195 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-23 14:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #5666 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-23 14:52 <osmantis> Bug #8195:04 Save OAR - New errors at early stage of UUID GATHERER now confusing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8195 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-23 14:55 <osmantis> Bug #8195:04 Save OAR - New errors at early stage of UUID GATHERER now confusing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8195 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-23 14:57 <osmantis> Bug #8195:04 Save OAR - New errors at early stage of UUID GATHERER now confusing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8195 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-23 14:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5666: SUCCESS in 7 min 40 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5666/
2017-06-23 14:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: several changes to iar/oar assets error reports
2017-06-23 15:02 <osmantis> Bug #8195:04 Save OAR - New errors at early stage of UUID GATHERER now confusing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8195 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-23 15:07 <osmantis> Bug #8195:04 Save OAR - New errors at early stage of UUID GATHERER now confusing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8195 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-23 15:09 <osmantis> Bug #8195:04 Save OAR - New errors at early stage of UUID GATHERER now confusing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8195 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-23 15:27 <osmantis> Bug #8195:04 Save OAR - New errors at early stage of UUID GATHERER now confusing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8195 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-23 16:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #5667 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-23 16:24 <Ubit> "can't will " uff hope aausting doesn't see this :p
2017-06-23 16:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5667: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5667/
2017-06-23 16:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  coment out missing or damage assets messages in uuidgather that are not very usefull. In IAR save display information about items that contain references to broken assets. Note that as explained on mantis 8195 this can't will not detect all problems
2017-06-23 16:32 <osmantis> Bug #8195:04 Save OAR - New errors at early stage of UUID GATHERER now confusing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8195 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-23 16:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #5668 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-23 16:49 <osmantis> Bug #8195:04 Save OAR - New errors at early stage of UUID GATHERER now confusing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8195 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-23 16:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5668: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5668/
2017-06-23 16:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  do the same on OAR saves
2017-06-23 17:57 <osmantis> Bug #8195:04 Save OAR - New errors at early stage of UUID GATHERER now confusing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8195 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-23 18:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #5669 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-23 19:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5669: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5669/
2017-06-23 19:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  code actually has no ideia if a id is a asset or not and does try to handle all as assets, it really can't report errors. Change messages to make more clear they are only warnings and may mean nothing at all
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2017-06-24 01:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #5670 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-24 01:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5670: SUCCESS in 5 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5670/
2017-06-24 01:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  a few more changes to iar/oar assets save error/warning to show problems known to be asset errors
2017-06-24 02:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #5671 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-24 02:25 <osmantis> Bug #8194:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osDrawFilledEllipse 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8194 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-24 02:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5671: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5671/
2017-06-24 02:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: osDrawFilledEllipse or string comand FillEllipse identical do Ellipse one
2017-06-24 03:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #5672 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-24 03:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5672: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5672/
2017-06-24 03:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add string osSetDynamicTextureDataFace(string dynamicID, string contentType, string data, string extraParams, int timer, int face) to easy only setting a prim face
2017-06-24 04:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #5673 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-24 04:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5673: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5673/
2017-06-24 04:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove a DynamicTexture leak, make it actually return the new texture ID to ossl, do delete previus texture from local cache if temporary,at least on same cases...  but still very broken..
2017-06-24 04:49 <osmantis> Bug #8194:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osDrawFilledEllipse 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8194 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-24 05:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #5674 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-24 05:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5674: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5674/
2017-06-24 05:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change thread level of osSetDynamicTextureDataBlendFace to VeryHigh
2017-06-24 06:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #5675 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-24 06:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5675: SUCCESS in 5 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5675/
2017-06-24 06:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: simplify vectorrender background draw
2017-06-24 08:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #5676 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-24 08:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5676: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5676/
2017-06-24 08:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: revert the thread level change; remove unused dynamic texture timer from internal code; let blend alpha work if < 255; let blend work with the selected face; etc
2017-06-24 08:36 <osmantis> Bug #8195:04 Save OAR - New errors at early stage of UUID GATHERER now confusing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8195 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-24 08:42 <osmantis> Bug #8195:04 Save OAR - New errors at early stage of UUID GATHERER now confusing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8195 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-24 10:02 <osmantis> Bug #8194:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osDrawFilledEllipse 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8194 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-06-24 10:09 <osmantis> Bug #8196:04 osSetPenColor don't accept grey color 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8196 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2017-06-24 10:27 <osmantis> Bug #8194:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osDrawFilledEllipse 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8194 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-06-24 10:40 <osmantis> Bug #8194:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osDrawFilledEllipse 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8194 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-06-24 11:01 <osmantis> Bug #8196:04 osSetPenColor don't accept grey color 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8196 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2017-06-24 11:46 <djphil> Hello!
2017-06-24 11:47 <djphil> DefaultCompileLanguage and AllowedCompilers are removed from ini ?
2017-06-24 16:56 <osmantis> Bug #8197:04 Solution (OpenSim.sln) file does not support xbuild or  monodevelop 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8197 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-06-24 17:12 <osmantis> Bug #8191:04 llRegionSayTo does not work to NPC 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8191 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-06-24 17:29 <Ubit> grey?  grey is ugly... use pink
2017-06-24 17:30 <Ubit> yes dj they where removed from ini files
2017-06-24 17:31 <Ubit> that bad ugly guy named Ubit did it... blame him
2017-06-24 17:31 <nebadon> 
ACTION waves

2017-06-24 17:32 <nebadon> I just updated Sisyphus and Newton to master :)
2017-06-24 17:32 <djphil> Hey! Sisyphus is back ?
2017-06-24 17:33 <nebadon> yea its been up for a while
2017-06-24 17:33 <nebadon> i mostly just shut it off when i traveled to sweden
2017-06-24 17:33 <nebadon> but i was a bit lazy bringing it back after I got back :)
2017-06-24 17:33 <nebadon> OKC Raspberry Pi2 is up too
2017-06-24 17:33 <nebadon> though its not on the very latest code yet
2017-06-24 17:33 <nebadon> but it is on latest mono 5.2
2017-06-24 17:33 <djphil> Yeah grey! 50 shades of gray/grey Ubit
2017-06-24 17:34 <Ubit> :)
2017-06-24 17:34 <djphil> why not "grey" ?
2017-06-24 17:34 <Ubit> no idea
2017-06-24 17:34 <djphil> ha ok, isn't my mistake
2017-06-24 17:34 <Ubit> you can set color using hex you know?
2017-06-24 17:34 <djphil> just a bug in opensim ...
2017-06-24 17:34 <djphil> mom lets me search
2017-06-24 17:35 <Ubit> like 808080   is a grey
2017-06-24 17:35 <osmantis> Bug #8108:04 Link number changes after reboot region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8108 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-24 17:35 <Ubit> off ff808080 using alpha
2017-06-24 17:35 <nebadon> http://blog.dictionary.com/gray-or-grey/
2017-06-24 17:35 <nebadon> :P
2017-06-24 17:35 <djphil> https://www.w3schools.com/colors/colors_shades.asp
2017-06-24 17:35 <djphil> well we have a lot of doc for grey's ;p
2017-06-24 17:36 <Ubit> named colors depend to the win/mono names
2017-06-24 17:36 <Ubit> guess there is a standard setc somewhere
2017-06-24 17:36 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsSetPenColor
2017-06-24 17:36 <Ubit> a list here
2017-06-24 17:36 <osmantis> Bug #8195:04 Save OAR - New errors at early stage of UUID GATHERER now confusing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8195 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-24 17:37 <Ubit> "Grey",  is there
2017-06-24 17:37 <djphil> yeah i knopw this list and "Grey" is in this list ...
2017-06-24 17:37 <djphil> yep!
2017-06-24 17:38 <Ubit> so should work
2017-06-24 17:38 <djphil> true
2017-06-24 17:38 <Ubit> code only thats the name and sends to low level graphics
2017-06-24 17:38 <Ubit> only takes
2017-06-24 17:38 <Ubit> that list is not on opensim code see ?
2017-06-24 17:39 <Ubit> hmm confusing the alpha
2017-06-24 17:39 <Ubit> well very confusing all those funtions...  
2017-06-24 17:39 <djphil> yeah a little bit
2017-06-24 17:39 <Ubit> timer is usless...  so i just killed it
2017-06-24 17:39 <djphil> but i can get alpha working proprely
2017-06-24 17:39 <djphil> timer no working
2017-06-24 17:39 <djphil> no implemented or ...
2017-06-24 17:39 <Ubit> can't take it from the api  bc would break scripts
2017-06-24 17:40 <Ubit> never implemented
2017-06-24 17:40 <Ubit> same for the first ID parameter
2017-06-24 17:40 <Ubit> also never did anuthing
2017-06-24 17:40 <Ubit> and dammm
2017-06-24 17:41 <Ubit> this text don't work on nearby regions now
2017-06-24 17:41 <Ubit> bc of stupid viewers
2017-06-24 17:41 <Ubit> well  guess they stopped working with http textures
2017-06-24 17:41 <djphil> what viewer you use ?
2017-06-24 17:42 <Ubit> tested fs507 and singu 186
2017-06-24 17:42 <djphil> me too
2017-06-24 17:42 <Ubit> thing is that SL viewers are SL viewers
2017-06-24 17:42 <Ubit> they ask for textures on the main region
2017-06-24 17:42 <Ubit> so. no local textures
2017-06-24 17:42 <Ubit> see ?
2017-06-24 17:43 <Ubit> well they ask to whatever region they fell like... 
2017-06-24 17:43 <djphil> not exactly
2017-06-24 17:43 <Ubit> bc SL is a grid only.. does not matter the region to use.. in fact they don't use regions anymore
2017-06-24 17:43 <djphil> dynamic texture is local texture ?
2017-06-24 17:44 <Ubit> must be local
2017-06-24 17:44 <osmantis> Bug #8189:04 Script stop to work after sim restart. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8189 ): The issue 0008074 has been set as DUPLICATE OF the following issue.
2017-06-24 17:44 <osmantis> Bug #8074:04 Opensim region restart called from viewer(s) won't be complete and leave non working scripted objects. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8074 ): has been set as DUPLICATE OF issue 0008189.
2017-06-24 17:44 <Ubit> you do remember you do need to pay to upload textures? :p
2017-06-24 17:44 <djphil> hehe
2017-06-24 17:45 <Ubit> rule is there.. at most zero cost
2017-06-24 17:45 <Ubit> but other reasons also
2017-06-24 17:45 <Ubit> seem me changing theared level to veryhigh?
2017-06-24 17:45 <djphil> i see you reverse taht
2017-06-24 17:46 <djphil> that*
2017-06-24 17:46 <Ubit> thats bc i mistaken and thought that did upload a tex into grid :)
2017-06-24 17:46 <Ubit> then seen its also local.. so reverted
2017-06-24 17:46 <djphil> is temporary no ?
2017-06-24 17:47 <djphil> on grid i mean
2017-06-24 17:47 <Ubit> yeap
2017-06-24 17:47 <djphil> ok
2017-06-24 17:47 <Ubit> but temp is not doing anything much now
2017-06-24 17:47 <Ubit> fscache as a option to delete temps.. but.. yeack
2017-06-24 17:48 <Ubit> this local problem is just another prob of using viewers that are for SL only
2017-06-24 17:48 <Ubit> and that is getting worse
2017-06-24 17:48 <Ubit> ( bad NPC names.. worng HG names.. all similar issue )
2017-06-24 17:49 <djphil> :s
2017-06-24 17:49 <Ubit> SL doesnt not have local regions data on this things
2017-06-24 17:49 <Ubit> so it does not matter what region is used to ask
2017-06-24 17:50 <Ubit> and using http ,  the main region may already have a open connection, so better to resuse it than create a new one to the neib region
2017-06-24 17:50 <Ubit> makes all sense... FOR SL
2017-06-24 17:51 <Ubit> did i told that sometimes i log at SL with clean cache just after logout osgrid
2017-06-24 17:51 <Ubit> and mey name at sl is UMMA4x ?
2017-06-24 17:51 <djphil> lol
2017-06-24 17:52 <Ubit> even on relog.. damm viewers ask things to previus region
2017-06-24 17:52 <djphil> do you have any idea to create a 1/4 part of pizza with filled elipse ?
2017-06-24 17:53 <Ubit> yeap.. do it on gimp :p
2017-06-24 17:53 <djphil> hehe
2017-06-24 17:54 <Ubit> uff u made this ossl function does love strings
2017-06-24 17:55 <Ubit> tons and tons and tons of strings creations and copies on this
2017-06-24 17:55 <djphil> what ???
2017-06-24 17:56 <Ubit> CommandList = osSetPenColor( CommandList, thisColor );
2017-06-24 17:56 <Ubit> this is  several strings created and copied
2017-06-24 17:57 <Ubit> and its actually a short cut to 
2017-06-24 17:57 <djphil> yes and ?
2017-06-24 17:57 <Ubit> CommandList +=  "PenColor " + color + "; ";
2017-06-24 17:58 <djphil> that a problem ?
2017-06-24 17:58 <Ubit> memory and cpu waste
2017-06-24 17:58 <djphil> ha oki
2017-06-24 17:58 <djphil> i use both methode
2017-06-24 17:58 <djphil> but good to know your is better
2017-06-24 17:58 <Ubit> cna u count hoe many strings where created on that line above?
2017-06-24 17:59 <Ubit> CommandList +=  "PenColor " + color + "; "; <-- this
2017-06-24 17:59 <djphil> 3
2017-06-24 17:59 <Ubit> more
2017-06-24 17:59 <djphil> 4
2017-06-24 17:59 <Ubit> or more :p
2017-06-24 18:00 <djphil> 4 or more*
2017-06-24 18:00 <Ubit> well but if u do complex things.. the rest of code will just take 2 long
2017-06-24 18:00 <Ubit> and the script thread is aborted ..
2017-06-24 18:00 <Ubit> so you can really only do light simple things with this
2017-06-24 18:01 <djphil> I experienced this ;p
2017-06-24 18:01 <Ubit> it is not a gimp replacement by far :p
2017-06-24 18:02 <Ubit> just fun and usefull
2017-06-24 18:02 <djphil> ho you can create sculpty with it ... that fun!
2017-06-24 18:02 <Ubit> for light things
2017-06-24 18:02 <Ubit> how did u set the sculpt map ?
2017-06-24 18:02 <Ubit> without the teex uuid?
2017-06-24 18:03 <djphil> we need a way to rotate content of Drawlist
2017-06-24 18:03 <djphil> to use it with TextureAnim
2017-06-24 18:03 <djphil> we can't use textureRotate
2017-06-24 18:03 <djphil> we eed rotate de Draw content
2017-06-24 18:03 <Ubit> well normal prim rotate does work
2017-06-24 18:03 <djphil> need*
2017-06-24 18:03 <Ubit> i think
2017-06-24 18:03 <djphil> no
2017-06-24 18:04 <djphil> try with a text
2017-06-24 18:04 <Ubit> what o mean no ?
2017-06-24 18:04 <djphil> to create a animated panel
2017-06-24 18:04 <djphil> animation from botom to top
2017-06-24 18:04 <Ubit> hmm try now
2017-06-24 18:04 <djphil> oki
2017-06-24 18:04 <Ubit> or set the tex, then the parameters
2017-06-24 18:05 <djphil> goood luck!
2017-06-24 18:05 <Ubit> those face parameters should stil be there active
2017-06-24 18:05 <Ubit> well at least now
2017-06-24 18:06 <djphil> try ...
2017-06-24 18:06 <Ubit> ok rotated the face 4 90�
2017-06-24 18:07 <Ubit> reset the scrip... still rotated
2017-06-24 18:07 <djphil> anim the texture now
2017-06-24 18:07 <Ubit> but on cheating..  4 is using llSetTexture :p
2017-06-24 18:07 <Ubit> let me first test the one directly changed :)
2017-06-24 18:08 <Ubit> ok apllied rotation on prim..
2017-06-24 18:08 <Ubit> reset script.. and... rotated
2017-06-24 18:09 <Ubit> this functions are suposed to only change the face texture
2017-06-24 18:09 <Ubit> not the other parameters
2017-06-24 18:09 <Ubit> hmm right ?
2017-06-24 18:09 <djphil> right
2017-06-24 18:10 <Ubit> u test animation :p
2017-06-24 18:10 <djphil> i have already tested
2017-06-24 18:10 <djphil> that do'nt work
2017-06-24 18:10 <Ubit> what have u done worng?
2017-06-24 18:10 <djphil> try with llSetTextureAnim(ANIM_ON | SMOOTH | LOOP , face 1, 1, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0);
2017-06-24 18:10 <Ubit> hihihih
2017-06-24 18:11 <djphil> Try scrolling text from bottom to top ;p
2017-06-24 18:11 <Ubit> ohh face 4 is the one directly set
2017-06-24 18:11 <djphil> from let to right is ok
2017-06-24 18:11 <djphil> but NOT from bottom to top
2017-06-24 18:12 <Ubit> yr script is doing top to bot
2017-06-24 18:12 <djphil> no
2017-06-24 18:12 <Ubit> you do remember lSetTextureAnim issues don't you ?
2017-06-24 18:12 <djphil> from let to right
2017-06-24 18:12 <Ubit> it is.. bc i have the 90 rotation still on the prim
2017-06-24 18:13 <djphil> but if you use photoshop texture with text rotate to 90° you can get a scrolling text from bottom to top
2017-06-24 18:13 <djphil> that why i say we need rotate drawlist
2017-06-24 18:13 <Ubit> you do remember those things on normal use of lSetTextureAnim don't you ?
2017-06-24 18:14 <djphil> no
2017-06-24 18:14 <Ubit> you should :p
2017-06-24 18:14 <djphil> what you mean ?
2017-06-24 18:14 <Ubit> has tricky things 
2017-06-24 18:15 <Ubit> what i can say is that the tex is being aninated
2017-06-24 18:15 <Ubit> so.. not a osDraw problem
2017-06-24 18:15 <djphil> i don't say is a problem
2017-06-24 18:15 <djphil> i say is missing :p
2017-06-24 18:15 <Ubit> ( bc osDraw only sets the ID or should as far i can see )
2017-06-24 18:16 <Ubit> so yr issue is with normal animation
2017-06-24 18:16 <Ubit> that is tricky to use
2017-06-24 18:16 <Ubit> and has limitations
2017-06-24 18:16 <Ubit> see what i mean?
2017-06-24 18:16 <djphil> text rotation is a limit ?
2017-06-24 18:16 <Ubit> yes
2017-06-24 18:16 <djphil> not sure i see what you mean
2017-06-24 18:17 <Ubit> animation works on uv maps only and has a limited set of operations only
2017-06-24 18:17 <Ubit> and works after the other parameters ( rotation offset etc  being applied )
2017-06-24 18:17 <djphil> what the difference betweeen top/boottom or left/right ???
2017-06-24 18:17 <Ubit> all on uv maps
2017-06-24 18:18 <Ubit> well its beeing ages since i fighet with that
2017-06-24 18:19 <Ubit> talking from memory... and you know my memory :p
2017-06-24 18:19 <Ubit> ok moving up not
2017-06-24 18:19 <Ubit> but the image is rotated
2017-06-24 18:19 <djphil> that yes for sure :)
2017-06-24 18:20 <Ubit> ( -90 rot now )
2017-06-24 18:20 <Ubit> well it is tricky to use
2017-06-24 18:20 <djphil> Too bad to lose this advantage with dynamic texture
2017-06-24 18:21 <Ubit> and there are things you can't do without changing the texture
2017-06-24 18:21 <Ubit> grrr
2017-06-24 18:21 <Ubit> u lost nothing
2017-06-24 18:21 <Ubit> it is working
2017-06-24 18:21 <Ubit> dynamic texture worked..  changed the texture ID
2017-06-24 18:22 <Ubit> rest is normal  SL tex anim
2017-06-24 18:22 <Ubit> see ?
2017-06-24 18:22 <djphil> hmmm not sure you understad the problem i explain
2017-06-24 18:22 <Ubit> i know
2017-06-24 18:22 <Ubit> you want dyn to help fix the animation issues
2017-06-24 18:23 <Ubit> like having mirror and rotation of the bitmaps
2017-06-24 18:23 <Ubit> to overcame the ll anim limitations
2017-06-24 18:23 <Ubit> right?
2017-06-24 18:24 <djphil> or i want animation to help fix the dyn animation issues
2017-06-24 18:24 <djphil> but ys
2017-06-24 18:24 <djphil> yes*
2017-06-24 18:24 <Ubit> dyn as no animations
2017-06-24 18:24 <djphil> true
2017-06-24 18:24 <Ubit> that timer was a suicidal idea
2017-06-24 18:24 <Ubit> graphics are heavy.... take ages
2017-06-24 18:25 <Ubit> dyn is not a gimp replacment
2017-06-24 18:25 <Ubit> its for simple things
2017-06-24 18:26 <Ubit> like adding text.  ( even that damm slow )
2017-06-24 18:26 <Ubit> agree ?
2017-06-24 18:26 <Ubit> ( well u must :p )
2017-06-24 18:27 <djphil> 1/2 agree
2017-06-24 18:27 <djphil> you say dyn as no animation
2017-06-24 18:27 <djphil> but rotation isn't a animation
2017-06-24 18:27 <djphil> hehe
2017-06-24 18:28 <Ubit> so where was i wrong telling it has no animation? :p
2017-06-24 18:28 <Ubit> ( also animation is a viewer side thing only.. )
2017-06-24 18:28 <Ubit> if u try server side animation of textures.. u die :p
2017-06-24 18:29 <Ubit> well yr region.. yr users...
2017-06-24 18:29 <djphil> i'm really not sure you see the fial result i try to create ...
2017-06-24 18:29 <djphil> final*
2017-06-24 18:31 <djphil> do you know the result with a verical text (photosop) + texture rotation and this animation llSetTextureAnim(ANIM_ON | SMOOTH | LOOP , ALL_SIDES, 1, 1, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0);
2017-06-24 18:31 <Ubit> ohh
2017-06-24 18:32 <Ubit> i can change the tex and the anim keeps working
2017-06-24 18:32 <Ubit> string u = osSetDynamicTextureDataBlendFace("", "vector", CommandList,ex,
2017-06-24 18:32 <Ubit>                                           TRUE, 3, 0, 100, 4);
2017-06-24 18:32 <Ubit> is working ok
2017-06-24 18:33 <djphil> Yes but in the wrong way
2017-06-24 18:33 <Ubit> no the right way
2017-06-24 18:33 <djphil> yes
2017-06-24 18:33 <djphil> but need improvment :p
2017-06-24 18:33 <Ubit> what u mean wrong way ?
2017-06-24 18:33 <djphil> ok lets me prepare a complete exemple
2017-06-24 18:33 <djphil> mom please
2017-06-24 18:34 <Ubit> are you talking of edition  coordenats sistem?
2017-06-24 18:34 <Ubit> ie what is left top corner x and y ?
2017-06-24 18:34 <djphil> i create exemple
2017-06-24 18:34 <djphil> and send iworld
2017-06-24 18:35 <Ubit> ( well  draw space coordenates of osDraw may be diferent from other programs )
2017-06-24 18:36 <Ubit> ie lication of 0,0   and is the direction of a positive rotation
2017-06-24 18:36 <Ubit> what is
2017-06-24 18:38 <Ubit> i really don't what to add rotations
2017-06-24 18:39 <Ubit> that whould mean also adding cliping rectangles
2017-06-24 18:39 <Ubit> even image layers
2017-06-24 18:39 <Ubit> use GIMP :P
2017-06-24 18:42 <Ubit> if i clear cache i don't see the text on nearby region anymore  sniff snifff
2017-06-24 18:43 <Ubit> but in some cases i do
2017-06-24 18:43 <Ubit> depends on viewer decision where to fetch it :(
2017-06-24 18:45 <Ubit> there they are  white :(
2017-06-24 18:45 <djphil> hmm you are not online
2017-06-24 18:45 <djphil> inworld i mean
2017-06-24 18:46 <Ubit> and now fails all time
2017-06-24 18:46 <Ubit> im with alt
2017-06-24 18:46 <Ubit> ubittest11
2017-06-24 18:46 <Ubit> on it looking to white dyn texs on UbitMono
2017-06-24 18:47 <Ubit> err UbitRegion i mean
2017-06-24 18:48 <Ubit> what a damm limitation crap viewers put on this
2017-06-24 18:48 <Ubit> we can't allow dyn to be stored on grids dbs
2017-06-24 18:48 <djphil> ubittest11 not found
2017-06-24 18:49 <Ubit> type ubit on map
2017-06-24 18:49 <Ubit> funny
2017-06-24 18:50 <Ubit> how do backed textures still work?
2017-06-24 18:50 <Ubit> hmm do they stil work realy ?
2017-06-24 18:50 <Ubit> ok see u
2017-06-24 18:51 <Ubit> im near UbitRegion edge
2017-06-24 18:51 <Ubit> looking to 2 white faces :p
2017-06-24 18:57 <Ubit> guys dj tried to drown me
2017-06-24 18:58 <djphil> ok, now you see ?
2017-06-24 18:59 <djphil> understand better the limiation ?
2017-06-24 18:59 <djphil> limitation*
2017-06-24 18:59 <djphil> try to reproduce same like exemple 1 with script in exemple 2
2017-06-24 19:02 <Ubit> yeap
2017-06-24 19:02 <Ubit> its the LL limitations working
2017-06-24 19:02 <djphil> ...
2017-06-24 19:03 <djphil> little pity
2017-06-24 19:03 <Ubit> but really i do not want to mess with rotations
2017-06-24 19:03 <Ubit> its a can of worms
2017-06-24 19:03 <djphil> ok i understand
2017-06-24 19:04 <Ubit> but text
2017-06-24 19:04 <djphil> and somethink with osTextureAnim on axis z
2017-06-24 19:04 <Ubit> hmm it should be hmmm 
2017-06-24 19:04 <djphil> lol
2017-06-24 19:04 <Ubit> anim is viewer sid
2017-06-24 19:04 <Ubit> side
2017-06-24 19:04 <djphil> new hit on top 50
2017-06-24 19:05 <Ubit> we cant' do much
2017-06-24 19:05 <djphil> oki
2017-06-24 19:05 <Ubit> but i will look on the TEXT case
2017-06-24 19:05 <Ubit> we can't draw text in diagonal etc?
2017-06-24 19:06 <djphil> It might be useful I think
2017-06-24 19:06 <djphil> yeap like a markee
2017-06-24 19:06 <djphil> oops "marquee"*
2017-06-24 19:06 <Ubit> well i need remember the graphics things
2017-06-24 19:07 <Ubit> ( and must work on pango also  uff )
2017-06-24 19:07 <Ubit> or gtk
2017-06-24 19:07 <Ubit> see my white things on the other region ? :(
2017-06-24 19:08 <djphil> yes, what i ?
2017-06-24 19:08 <djphil> is*
2017-06-24 19:08 <Ubit> oops water still 2 high :)
2017-06-24 19:08 <djphil> my fault
2017-06-24 19:08 <Ubit> yes  tried to drown me
2017-06-24 19:09 <Ubit> cross 
2017-06-24 19:09 <djphil> What are these 2 white things?
2017-06-24 19:09 <djphil> Another bug?
2017-06-24 19:09 <Ubit> just the local tex viewers crap
2017-06-24 19:19 <Ubit> PenCap string direction, string type; 
2017-06-24 19:20 <Ubit> ATTENTION: THIS METHOD WORKS ONLY ON .NET, MONO DOES NOT HAVE CAPS CORRECTLY IMPLEMENTED ON LIBGDI+ 
2017-06-24 19:20 <Ubit> so nice :)
2017-06-24 19:20 <Ubit> well and what is PenCap actually ?
2017-06-24 19:20 <djphil> Mmm mmm
2017-06-24 19:24 <Ubit> seems related to lines
2017-06-24 19:25 <djphil> yes
2017-06-24 19:25 <Ubit> it is linecap.. not just cap
2017-06-24 19:25 <djphil> add arrow, diamond, round at the end or start of a line
2017-06-24 19:25 <Ubit> yeap
2017-06-24 19:25 <djphil> that work fine, i'm use it for graphics
2017-06-24 19:31 <Ubit> ok adding rotate transform
2017-06-24 19:31 <Ubit> ( or breaking it all )
2017-06-24 19:31 <djphil> lol
2017-06-24 19:32 <Ubit> note.. this is to use before drawing something
2017-06-24 19:32 <djphil> sure
2017-06-24 19:32 <Ubit> not a rotation a already made image
2017-06-24 19:33 <Ubit> like osSetRotTransf(35)
2017-06-24 19:33 <djphil> we can do both
2017-06-24 19:33 <djphil> on dyn and on texture
2017-06-24 19:33 <Ubit> osDrawText
2017-06-24 19:33 <Ubit> osResetTransf
2017-06-24 19:33 <djphil> yeap
2017-06-24 19:33 <Ubit> no not in the mood adding full image rotation :p
2017-06-24 19:34 <Ubit> but need a coffe 
2017-06-24 19:34 <Ubit> brb
2017-06-24 20:15 <osmantis> Bug #8074:04 Opensim region restart called from viewer(s) won't be complete and leave non working scripted objects. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8074 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-24 20:24 <Ubit> yeap
2017-06-24 20:25 <Ubit> putting breakpoints on windows and testing on the region running on linux does not work well :P
2017-06-24 20:42 <Ubit> dj ?
2017-06-24 20:42 <djphil> yes ?
2017-06-24 20:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #5677 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-24 20:42 <Ubit> test :p
2017-06-24 20:43 <Ubit> ...
2017-06-24 20:43 <djphil> kk
2017-06-24 20:43 <Ubit> yeack confusing to use
2017-06-24 20:43 <Ubit>         CommandList += "RotTransf 45;";
2017-06-24 20:43 <Ubit>         CommandList += "Text um teste;";
2017-06-24 20:44 <Ubit> transTransf is TranslationTransform
2017-06-24 20:44 <Ubit> mb i should put 'l' there
2017-06-24 20:48 <Ubit> don't forget those transforms addup
2017-06-24 20:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5677: SUCCESS in 5 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5677/
2017-06-24 20:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add dyn textures vectorrender comands ''ResetTransf;'', ''TransTransf x,y;'' and ''RotTransf x''   string only, no ossl helper api still
2017-06-24 20:48 <Ubit> to undo the "RotTransf 45;"; you need "RotTransf -45;";
2017-06-24 20:48 <Ubit> or Reset, that does clear all accumulated
2017-06-24 20:49 <djphil> grey is fixed too ?
2017-06-24 20:49 <Ubit> grey add a problem? :p
2017-06-24 20:50 <Ubit> is had.. i can't fix that.. it is not a opensim side keyword
2017-06-24 20:51 <Ubit> well Grey looks kinda.. white lol
2017-06-24 20:51 <djphil> if (Gray == "Grey") Gray = "Gray"
2017-06-24 20:51 <djphil> hop!
2017-06-24 20:52 <Ubit> or or black
2017-06-24 20:52 <Ubit> using it seems full transparent
2017-06-24 20:52 <djphil> mostly black yes ^^
2017-06-24 20:52 <Ubit> GRAY works
2017-06-24 20:52 <djphil> yes
2017-06-24 20:53 <Ubit> if (Gray == "Grey") ur more confusing than me :P
2017-06-24 20:54 <djphil> $Gary
2017-06-24 20:54 <djphil> lol Gary
2017-06-24 20:56 <djphil> sorry, opensim load slowly here because i download other stuff at same time
2017-06-24 20:56 <Ubit> :)
2017-06-24 20:57 <Plugh> hehe... $ColourBetweenWhiteAndBlack  :)
2017-06-24 21:01 <djphil> ok, downloaded, i update now and test
2017-06-24 21:03 <djphil> Which languages are allowed to compiled now?
2017-06-24 21:03 <djphil> And we can still authorize in some way?
2017-06-24 21:04 <Ubit> you are asking me to tell about things i did hide ? :p
2017-06-24 21:04 <djphil> :o
2017-06-24 21:10 <Ubit> do i really need to make the ossl  apu helpers for those?
2017-06-24 21:10 <Ubit> uff
2017-06-24 21:10 <Ubit> api
2017-06-24 21:10 <Ubit> and more things into the list of allow
2017-06-24 21:11 <Ubit> uff
2017-06-24 21:42 <djphil> Ubit: Seem no working with 90°
2017-06-24 21:42 <djphil> 45° work
2017-06-24 21:43 <djphil> the placment is strange
2017-06-24 21:44 <Ubit> mb it went off the tex?
2017-06-24 21:44 <djphil> i try to move pen
2017-06-24 21:44 <Ubit> yes.. it is a rot around a anchor point
2017-06-24 21:45 <djphil> sometimes world are cutted
2017-06-24 21:45 <Ubit> on strings u may need the translation also
2017-06-24 21:45 <Ubit> and to get the string size
2017-06-24 21:45 <Ubit> ie to rotate around its center
2017-06-24 21:46 <Ubit> well not sure where the rotation axis is on that :)
2017-06-24 21:47 <djphil> on a random position lol
2017-06-24 21:47 <Ubit> nahh :)
2017-06-24 21:47 <Ubit> google about it
2017-06-24 21:47 <Ubit> its .net drawing
2017-06-24 21:49 <djphil> hmmm i can found Pen position to rotate the text to 90°
2017-06-24 21:50 <djphil> is really strange
2017-06-24 21:54 <djphil> ha i found !
2017-06-24 21:54 <djphil> Move Pen to 100, -50
2017-06-24 21:55 <djphil> with negative value it work with 90° of rotatiion
2017-06-24 21:55 <Ubit> odd
2017-06-24 21:56 <Ubit> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4421381/how-to-rotate-text-in-gdi/4421398#4421398
2017-06-24 21:56 <djphil> The turning bridge is located at a place right
2017-06-24 21:56 <djphil> It seems to be located outside of the text box
2017-06-24 21:57 <djphil> This one? -(sz.Width/2), -(sz.Height/2)
2017-06-24 21:57 <Ubit> guess its to rotate around the center of the string
2017-06-24 21:58 <Ubit> thats why they got its dimensions
2017-06-24 21:58 <Ubit> well we don't have that.. think that is pen?
2017-06-24 21:59 <djphil> but it work and that GREAT !!!
2017-06-24 21:59 <djphil> Ty man !
2017-06-24 21:59 <Ubit> well this code is only a api to the the .net drawing
2017-06-24 22:00 <djphil> and now is a new function for opensim :)
2017-06-24 22:00 <Ubit> about to commit the helpers
2017-06-24 22:04 <djphil> what about commits the helpers ?
2017-06-24 22:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #5678 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-24 22:07 <Ubit> the heavy ones that actuall do work do have level checks as before
2017-06-24 22:08 <Ubit> well if u see more easy things like this tell,,,
2017-06-24 22:08 <Ubit> ( no  no Gary )
2017-06-24 22:09 <Ubit> my next code mb changing all that vector render parser of this comands
2017-06-24 22:09 <Ubit> what a ....  code
2017-06-24 22:10 <Ubit> ppl do love strings and their functions
2017-06-24 22:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5678: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5678/
2017-06-24 22:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add string osDrawTranslationTransform(string drawList, LSL_Float x, LSL_Float y), string osDrawRotationTransform(string drawList, LSL_Float x) and string osDrawResetTransform(string drawList) helper functions for the new vector renderer comands. Removed ThreadLevel check of similar funtions that had it None, and actually only set strings
2017-06-24 22:16 <djphil> really happy ! string rotation offer good possibilities for scrolling dynamic text, yeah good !!! :)
2017-06-24 22:27 <Ubit> it rotates the others things also
2017-06-24 22:29 <Ubit> but keep in mind.. this is not a GIMP replacement
2017-06-24 22:29 <Ubit> keep things simple
2017-06-24 22:30 <Ubit> or u wil have pain ;)
2017-06-24 22:30 <Ubit> simple and slow..
2017-06-24 22:33 <nebadon> anyone know if there is a way to log into OpenSim with stock SL viewer?
2017-06-24 22:35 <Ubit> and why would anyone want to do such thing? :)
2017-06-24 22:36 <nebadon> they have a project viewer
2017-06-24 22:36 <nebadon> that can take 360 photospheres
2017-06-24 22:36 <Ubit> hmm ok
2017-06-24 22:36 <NickyP> Sl changed to where you only load to their grids
2017-06-24 22:36 <nebadon> yea
2017-06-24 22:37 <nebadon> i was hoping there was some hacky way to get around that
2017-06-24 22:37 <nebadon> i remember Latif had some hex edit trick
2017-06-24 22:37 <Ubit> there used to be one...
2017-06-24 22:37 <nebadon> but i cant remember
2017-06-24 22:37 <nebadon> NickyP what about adding this 360 feature to Kokua :P
2017-06-24 22:37 <djphil> Kokua, what that ??
2017-06-24 22:38 <NickyP> Yes but before he passed he said it was no longer possible
2017-06-24 22:38 <djphil> :p
2017-06-24 22:38 <nebadon> ah ok
2017-06-24 22:38 <nebadon> damn that sucks
2017-06-24 22:38 <nebadon> id love to try it in opensim
2017-06-24 22:38 <nebadon> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/360_Snapshots
2017-06-24 22:39 <NickyP> gavin is handling opensim viewer. maybe you can contact him
2017-06-24 22:39 <nebadon> ok
2017-06-24 22:39 <nebadon> its probably not quite ready yet anyway
2017-06-24 22:40 <nebadon> im going to give it a try now in SL
2017-06-24 22:40 <nebadon> man when did they set max draw distance to 512m in SL
2017-06-24 22:40 <nebadon> the stock viewer is so terrible
2017-06-24 22:43 <djphil> Hmmm 360 is nice
2017-06-24 22:44 <djphil> i see a lot of demo, is nice :)
2017-06-24 22:45 <nebadon> yea I have a way to do it
2017-06-24 22:45 <nebadon> but its a bit time consuming
2017-06-24 22:45 <djphil> with dynamic camera ?
2017-06-24 22:45 <nebadon> http://dev.4dialog.com/SimSphere/
2017-06-24 22:45 <nebadon> nah Diva and I came up with a camera script
2017-06-24 22:46 <djphil> i see ... with rotation by 90° for heach screenshot
2017-06-24 22:46 <nebadon> it seems the Resolution of the ones the SL viewer creates is quite low
2017-06-24 22:46 <djphil> like terragen
2017-06-24 22:46 <nebadon> actually its 72 images
2017-06-24 22:46 <nebadon> stiched
2017-06-24 22:46 <djphil> ouch :o
2017-06-24 22:46 <nebadon> for my camera
2017-06-24 22:47 <nebadon> they come out super nice though and very high resolution
2017-06-24 22:47 <nebadon> it 72 4k images
2017-06-24 22:47 <nebadon> but like i said its a bit time consuming
2017-06-24 22:54 <djphil> maybee dan know how to hack sl viewer for opensim
2017-06-24 22:54 <djphil> i remember in the past he help me to do it
2017-06-24 22:54 <djphil> with a hex editor
2017-06-24 22:58 <djphil> i open a zip from a360 demo
2017-06-24 22:58 <djphil> and i see is 6 picture
2017-06-24 22:58 <djphil> like a skybox
2017-06-24 23:03 <Ubit> why in hell osg keeps losing my dns?  grrr
2017-06-24 23:04 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/360/
2017-06-24 23:04 <nebadon> i just took these at SL14B
2017-06-24 23:06 <nebadon> might have to refresh it, i had a typo
2017-06-24 23:06 <nebadon> hopefully we can get this integrated into a Third Party viewer soon
2017-06-24 23:06 <nebadon> that would be pretty cool
2017-06-24 23:07 <djphil> i agree :)
2017-06-24 23:08 <nebadon> wonder how to reach gavin for Kokua
2017-06-24 23:08 <nebadon> NickyP does he come here on to IRC?
2017-06-24 23:11 <Ubit> he does come here ocasionaly
2017-06-24 23:12 <nebadon> k cool
2017-06-24 23:12 <Ubit> also our meetings..  but ocasionaly
2017-06-24 23:31 <NickyP> nebadon: I' ll send him an email. 
2017-06-25 00:01 <nebadon> thanks NickyP
2017-06-25 01:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #5679 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-25 01:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5679: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5679/
2017-06-25 01:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add vectorrender string command ''ScaleTransf x,y;''. this allows scaling of objects to draw next. -1,1 will make text be drawn with x direction flipped (it is like the texture scale)
2017-06-25 01:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #5680 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-25 01:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5680: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5680/
2017-06-25 01:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add respective ossl helper funtion osDrawScaleTransform(string drawList, LSL_Float x, LSL_Float y)
2017-06-25 01:56 <osmantis> Bug #8194:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osDrawFilledEllipse 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8194 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-06-25 10:48 <osmantis> Bug #8108:04 Link number changes after reboot region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8108 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-06-25 11:01 <osmantis> Bug #8194:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osDrawFilledEllipse 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8194 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
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2017-06-25 14:05 <osmantis> Bug #8194:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osDrawFilledEllipse 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8194 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-25 14:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #5681 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-25 14:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5681: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5681/
2017-06-25 14:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change Backup calls overlap control code
2017-06-25 19:17 <smxy> Ubit: I'm double-checking, and triple-checking, but it sure looks to me like ubODE fails my TP stress test, in an interesting way.
2017-06-25 19:18 <smxy> We shall see.
2017-06-25 19:55 <smxy> It failed the first time, but then I switched back to bulletsim, which worked as expected, then back to ubODE, and it's now working as expected. Odd.
2017-06-25 19:56 <smxy> Anyway, I'll let this test run for a few days, and see if my TP pads fail, at some point, to get a collision event, like they always eventually do under Bulletsim.
2017-06-25 19:56 <smxy> It's a continuous in-region TP, that runs just as fast as OpenSim will do it.
2017-06-25 19:58 <smxy> Which appears to be 2-3 a second.
2017-06-25 20:56 <Ubit> seems the region restart did more than the engine change on that
2017-06-25 21:25 <smxy> well, all I changed was the physics engine and the mesher (as required). In any case, it's chugging along. I'll know in a few days.
2017-06-25 21:25 <Ubit> region state also changed..
2017-06-25 21:26 <Ubit> ( fresh memory allocation.. fresh references around things.. all that )
2017-06-25 21:29 <smxy> But I brought it down, switched it to ubODE, ran my first test, where it didn't behave right, then down again to switch back to BS, then down again to switch back to ubODE. The state would have changed before the first test, too.
2017-06-25 21:29 <Ubit> a damm thing about opensim is
2017-06-25 21:30 <Ubit> state is never the same after a restart
2017-06-25 21:30 <Ubit> look to total mem use after login enable
2017-06-25 21:30 <Ubit> same region can give dif results each time
2017-06-25 21:30 <Ubit> cames from the heavy multitask
2017-06-25 21:31 <Ubit> but well tps should work in any case ( within reason timing )
2017-06-25 21:32 <smxy> well, we shall see. as I said, they are running at about 2-3 a second.
2017-06-25 21:32 <smxy> continuously
2017-06-25 21:33 <smxy> That's not what I am testing for.
2017-06-25 21:33 <smxy> I'm testing for the TP pad to stop receiving collision events, eventually, as Bulletsim always has. That makes all my gates stop working.
2017-06-25 21:34 <Ubit> so issue is collsion reporting failing ?
2017-06-25 21:35 <Ubit> well there mb isues on that
2017-06-25 21:35 <smxy> Yup. Lots of testing was done, with gigabytes of physics logging generated. At some point, my gates simply do not get the collision event any more, and so thus don't TP anyone. And it makes them all go bad at once.
2017-06-25 21:35 <Ubit> bc there is code to prevent flooding
2017-06-25 21:36 <Ubit> i had that with volume dtcs
2017-06-25 21:36 <Ubit> so its possible something still not ok on yr test case
2017-06-25 21:36 <smxy> Others have seen the behavior too. It's never been able to be resolved, so I want to see if yours suffers from the same problem or not. ODE didn't.
2017-06-25 21:36 <Ubit> ODE did flood :P
2017-06-25 21:37 <smxy> In normal use, there would never be any flooding.
2017-06-25 21:37 <smxy> This test just goes as fast as it can to generate LOTS of TPs over a short amount of time.
2017-06-25 21:37 <smxy> So I can recreate the problem faster.
2017-06-25 21:37 <smxy> It always fails, eventually, with Bulletsim.
2017-06-25 21:38 <smxy> This started when Bulletsim started.
2017-06-25 21:39 <smxy> I'm not expecting yours to suffer from it, but I'm testing anyway.
2017-06-25 21:40 <smxy> These collisions are NOT volume detect collisions. These are real collisions with a solid object.
2017-06-25 21:40 <smxy> Volume detect is not in use at all.
2017-06-25 21:42 <smxy> Before this problem started, my regions were sometimes known to stay running for 8 months or more, without a restart. Now, I have to reboot my gate regions nightly, to auto-recover from the issue, if I'm not around to notice it's reared its ugly head.
2017-06-25 21:43 <Ubit> don't know
2017-06-25 21:43 <Ubit> just older code also had less features
2017-06-25 21:44 <smxy> Well, I'm still running dev code from October, at the moment. Haven't updated my grid yet.
2017-06-25 21:44 <Ubit> and non existent features mean no problems ;)
2017-06-25 21:44 <smxy> Still happens under bulletsim.
2017-06-25 21:46 <Ubit> think bullet cheats on collisions
2017-06-25 21:46 <Ubit> but only robert can tell
2017-06-25 21:46 <Ubit> i still don't want to look to bullet code.. sorry :)
2017-06-25 21:47 <smxy> #7132 is the ticket that's been open for years on this.
2017-06-25 21:47 <smxy> I have given up on anyone ever fixing it in Bulletsim, so I am testing yours. If yours does it, I get to bug YOU to fix it. :)
2017-06-25 21:48 <Ubit> :p
2017-06-25 21:48 <Ubit> :)
2017-06-25 21:49 <smxy> Can ubODE be used in var regions?
2017-06-25 21:50 <Ubit> 
ACTION spanks smxy offended by his question

2017-06-25 21:50 <smxy> ODE couldn't.
2017-06-25 21:50 <smxy> So it's a fair question.
2017-06-25 21:50 <Ubit> var regions where born at aurora with a parent of ubOde
2017-06-25 21:50 <smxy> Okay.
2017-06-25 21:51 <Ubit> ode also suports var regions now
2017-06-25 21:51 <smxy> Okay. Didn't know that.
2017-06-25 21:51 <Ubit> otherwise we had kept megas etc
2017-06-25 21:51 <smxy> Ah.
2017-06-25 21:52 <Ubit> hmmm thik i did that ode fix as a patch while my admission to core was under apreciation :)
2017-06-25 21:53 <Ubit> well doesn't matter...  all 3 engines suport vars
2017-06-25 21:58 <Ubit> somethings u can do..  avoid the landing point to be 2 close to colliders
2017-06-25 21:58 <smxy> As you can see, it's chugging right along: https://pastebin.com/kSsaRM1r
2017-06-25 21:58 <Ubit> giving physics some 40ms  free of collisions
2017-06-25 21:59 <Ubit> i mean on the tp object/avatar
2017-06-25 22:00 <Ubit> also volume detectors should as possible be simple boxes or spheres
2017-06-25 22:00 <Ubit> bc those are true volume detectors
2017-06-25 22:01 <Ubit> all others are only surface colliders
2017-06-25 22:01 <smxy> I have it continuosly looping over a series of 32 TP pads. The only delay is whatever OpenSim introduces, which, last I checked, was 5 seconds. So I made enough pads that by the time it gets back to the start, the starting pad is ready to TP again.
2017-06-25 22:01 <smxy> Again, NOT using volume detect.
2017-06-25 22:01 <Ubit> ok ok ;)
2017-06-25 22:01 <Ubit> ( well same is valid for all )
2017-06-25 22:02 <Ubit> VDTC is confusing bc name says VOLUME and it surface :p
2017-06-25 22:03 <smxy> Each pad rezzed my NPC 2m over the next one, so it drops and collides.
2017-06-25 22:03 <smxy> rezzes*
2017-06-25 22:03 <Ubit> well all are surface if any is a mesh :(
2017-06-25 22:03 <Ubit> it is only avatar collisions?
2017-06-25 22:03 <smxy> Nope, no mesh.
2017-06-25 22:03 <smxy> Yes, avatar bumping into a prim.
2017-06-25 22:04 <Ubit> ( i meant physics mesh.. thats all but simple boxes true spheres and avatars )
2017-06-25 22:04 <Ubit> and both on bullet and *ode
2017-06-25 22:05 <Ubit> u say 5 seconds?
2017-06-25 22:05 <Ubit> hmm  full TP start to start of nexe ?
2017-06-25 22:05 <smxy> Yeah, there was/is a hard-coded 5 second delay in the teleport process. I forget exactly where.
2017-06-25 22:06 <Ubit> mb on Osteleport
2017-06-25 22:06 <smxy> Maybe in the entity transfer module. I forget.
2017-06-25 22:06 <Ubit> not on local tps
2017-06-25 22:07 <Ubit>  ScriptSleep(5000);
2017-06-25 22:07 <smxy> Yes, it was. That's why I had to make so many TP pads for this test, so that the starting pad would be ready to TP again when the last pad sends the NPC back to the first one.
2017-06-25 22:07 <smxy> yes
2017-06-25 22:08 <Ubit> it is on osteleport  exec
2017-06-25 22:09 <smxy> It's not an issue really. Most people aren't trying to TP through the same device in a steady stream.
2017-06-25 22:09 <smxy> But for this test, I was. :)
2017-06-25 22:09 <smxy> By the time I get through 32 TPs, the first pad is ready to go again. :)
2017-06-25 22:10 <Ubit> we dont have a local tp variant?
2017-06-25 22:10 <smxy> OSTeleportAgent has several overloads, as I recall.
2017-06-25 22:10 <Ubit> yeap looking
2017-06-25 22:10 <Ubit> don't see a local one
2017-06-25 22:10 <smxy> I'm using it.
2017-06-25 22:10 <smxy> Gotta be there. :)
2017-06-25 22:11 <Ubit> founf
2017-06-25 22:11 <Ubit> it is a fake
2017-06-25 22:11 <Ubit>        public void osTeleportAgent(string agent, LSL_Types.Vector3 position, LSL_Types.Vector3 lookat)
2017-06-25 22:11 <Ubit>         {
2017-06-25 22:11 <Ubit>             osTeleportAgent(agent, World.RegionInfo.RegionName, position, lookat);
2017-06-25 22:11 <Ubit>         }
2017-06-25 22:11 <Ubit> see?
2017-06-25 22:12 <Ubit> uses generic tp
2017-06-25 22:12 <smxy> If you say so. :)
2017-06-25 22:12 <Ubit> later mucg later the tp code sees its actuall local
2017-06-25 22:13 <Ubit> did u tested object tp?
2017-06-25 22:14 <smxy> My gates are doing TPs to other grids. But this local continuous test is sufficient to trigger the collision issue, which is why I use it.
2017-06-25 22:14 <smxy> I don't know what you mean by object tp
2017-06-25 22:14 <Ubit> to other grids is a totaly diferent story
2017-06-25 22:15 <smxy> It's not the TP that is the problem. It's the object not getting collision events, that is the problem.
2017-06-25 22:15 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140
2017-06-25 22:16 <Ubit> ( local only..  nearby sims when weather is good )
2017-06-25 22:16 <Ubit> ( far regions..  if you are suicidal )
2017-06-25 22:16 <smxy> So if you click on a prim, the prim would teleport?
2017-06-25 22:17 <Ubit> or you if sitting on one
2017-06-25 22:17 <Ubit> you are outdated .. this is old news :p
2017-06-25 22:18 <smxy> I have been busy, the past year and a half, with RL. My friends and family kept dying and I had to deal with the aftermath of the deaths. I think I have a valid excuse for being a bit behind on news.
2017-06-25 22:19 <smxy> I'm getting caught up now.
2017-06-25 22:20 <smxy> And *I'm* not outdated - my OpenSim *knowledge* is. :P
2017-06-25 22:21 <smxy> Anyway, I'm taking friends out to dinner in a few minutes, so I'd better get going. :)
2017-06-25 22:22 <smxy> I'll let you know how ubODE performs in the test. So far, so good. :)
2017-06-25 22:23 <Plugh> smxy: Going anywhere in particular?
2017-06-25 22:29 <Ubit> i was only kidding smxy :)
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2017-06-25 23:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #5682 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-25 23:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5682: SUCCESS in 6 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5682/
2017-06-25 23:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: some shortcuts on local osTeleport, reduce its time penalty, do it with script thread
2017-06-26 01:35 <osmantis> Bug #8108:04 Link number changes after reboot region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8108 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-06-26 01:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #5683 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-06-26 01:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: put back restriction that on osTeleport the target must be on land owned by the script owner or this is a estate manager/owner, or target did gave script permission.
2017-06-26 02:01 <smxy> Plugh: I went to Blue, in Bethlehem Township, PA.
2017-06-26 02:17 <Ubit> Bethlehem hmm had the idea that was somewhere in middle east.. palestine.. 
2017-06-26 02:17 <Ubit> :p
2017-06-26 02:32 <Plugh> hehe
2017-06-26 02:43 <smxy> Dinner for four was about $300
2017-06-26 02:43 <smxy> And delicious. :)
2017-06-26 08:02 <osmantis> Bug #8195:04 Save OAR - New errors at early stage of UUID GATHERER now confusing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8195 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-26 08:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #5684 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-26 08:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5684: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5684/
2017-06-26 08:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix bad english
2017-06-26 08:16 <osmantis> Bug #8195:04 Save OAR - New errors at early stage of UUID GATHERER now confusing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8195 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-26 08:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #5685 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-26 08:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5685: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5685/
2017-06-26 08:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: and add a missing bracket :)
2017-06-26 08:31 <osmantis> Bug #8195:04 Save OAR - New errors at early stage of UUID GATHERER now confusing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8195 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-26 08:37 <osmantis> Bug #8195:04 Save OAR - New errors at early stage of UUID GATHERER now confusing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8195 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-26 10:01 <osmantis> Bug #8141:04 experimental Inertia override 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8141 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-06-26 10:09 <osmantis> Bug #8108:04 Link number changes after reboot region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8108 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-06-26 10:12 <osmantis> Bug #8142:04 add integer osGetLinkNumber(string name) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8142 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-06-26 10:24 <osmantis> Bug #8140:04 new Experimental osTeleportObject 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8140 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-06-26 10:34 <djphil> Ping Ubit
2017-06-26 10:35 <djphil> i read on mantis 8142 you remove threat level for several ossl function.
2017-06-26 10:36 <djphil> have you a list of modified threat level function ?
2017-06-26 10:36 <djphil> (i want update opensim wiki with correct threat level)
2017-06-26 12:05 <smxy> make sure ossl.ini is updated too.
2017-06-26 12:18 <djphil> 'im trying to update the wiki a little bit this moring
2017-06-26 12:19 <djphil> A lot of info is missing and i don't know where i can get hit
2017-06-26 12:19 <djphil> it*
2017-06-26 13:29 <osmantis> Bug #8198:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osNpcSayTo 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8198 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2017-06-26 13:48 <osmantis> Bug #7795:04 When rezzed, NPCs drift to edge of sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7795 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-06-26 13:57 <osmantis> Bug #7897:04 NPC Are Not Ignored By Access List 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7897 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-06-26 14:25 <djphil> i hope all is there now !!!
2017-06-26 14:25 <djphil> https://jira.phoenixviewer.com/browse/FIRE-21301
2017-06-26 14:25 <djphil> Enjoy! :)
2017-06-26 15:26 <osmantis> Bug #8192:04 [MOAP] The characters "é è à â ä" of a notecard are not displayed correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8192 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-06-26 16:00 <Plugh> What the? That bug was fixed ages ago
2017-06-26 16:06 <djphil> i'm running osgrid-opensim-05282017.v0.9.1.687c01b.zip on osgrid and on this version seem no fixed
2017-06-26 16:07 <djphil> Maybee i need to update this simu ...
2017-06-26 16:07 <djphil> When was it fixed?
2017-06-26 16:09 <Plugh> A long time ago.
2017-06-26 16:09 <Plugh> Check the mantis for the previous bug report.
2017-06-26 16:11 <Plugh> hm... I just noticed you flagged it as [MOAP]. The previous fix was for notecards and not related to MOAP.
2017-06-26 16:11 <djphil> If there is a long time as you say then it is not fixed properly as I have accent problems as you can see in the mantis 8192
2017-06-26 16:12 <djphil> yeah, on moap
2017-06-26 16:12 <djphil> is from html notecard to moap
2017-06-26 16:13 <djphil> and on Dynamic texture, some are not fixed too
2017-06-26 16:13 <djphil> ref : http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8095
2017-06-26 16:14 <djphil> The screen shows the problems
2017-06-26 16:15 <Plugh> I was involved in dealing with the bug about problem reading UTF-8 from notecards. It is so long ago I can't remember where the problem was located or how it was fixed.
2017-06-26 16:15 <djphil> now you can located where isn't fixed lol :p
2017-06-26 16:16 <Plugh> Not right now. I'm in the middle of setting up a new grid.
2017-06-26 16:20 <osmantis> Bug #7897:04 NPC Are Not Ignored By Access List 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7897 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-06-26 16:30 <smxy> Ubit: My NPC continues to successfully teleport continuously, up to 4 time a second. So far, so good.
2017-06-26 16:30 <smxy> Still with October '16 code.
2017-06-26 16:30 <smxy> But using ubODE.
2017-06-26 16:31 <smxy> I guess it's more like 4 TPS every 1.5 seconds, roughly, but that's still good. :)
2017-06-26 17:00 <Ubit> dj root prim link number is 0 if it is a single prim linkset, or else it is 1
2017-06-26 17:05 <Ubit> october 16 did not had tp time penalty ?
2017-06-26 17:05 <djphil> Hmm i no understand
2017-06-26 17:05 <djphil> a single prim is 0
2017-06-26 17:05 <djphil> but if linked, root is 1
2017-06-26 17:05 <Ubit> ( last question was for smxy )
2017-06-26 17:05 <Ubit> yes that is it dj
2017-06-26 17:05 <djphil> ha oki
2017-06-26 17:06 <Ubit> now and what if you sit on a single prim? :)
2017-06-26 17:07 <djphil> no tested ^^ :p
2017-06-26 17:07 <Ubit> :)
2017-06-26 17:07 <Ubit> 
ACTION leaves question for djphil home work

2017-06-26 17:07 <Ubit> :)
2017-06-26 17:07 <djphil> remain 0 on single and remain 1 on linkset
2017-06-26 17:08 <Plugh> Has anyone here used mono 4.4 with OS 0.8.2?
2017-06-26 17:08 <Ubit> what is OS 0.8.2 ?
2017-06-26 17:08 <Ubit> ;p
2017-06-26 17:09 <djphil> in any case, viewers return INVALID number :p
2017-06-26 17:09 <Ubit> uff viewers... :p
2017-06-26 17:09 <Ubit> think they can even mess up good link numbers
2017-06-26 17:10 <djphil> yeah, this trick required to connect to opensim
2017-06-26 17:10 <Ubit> bc use udp packet order..  but well not sure
2017-06-26 17:11 <djphil> i have no tested what happens on SL with SL viewer
2017-06-26 17:12 <Ubit> fs does say 1 
2017-06-26 17:12 <Ubit> and that is right
2017-06-26 17:12 <Ubit> a prim and a sitting avatar is a linkset
2017-06-26 17:13 <djphil> true
2017-06-26 17:14 <Ubit> hmm i did want to change code of yesterday...
2017-06-26 17:14 <Ubit> errr what was it?
2017-06-26 17:14 <Ubit> ahh ostp restiricions
2017-06-26 17:14 <Ubit> object owner should always tp also no ?
2017-06-26 17:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #5686 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-26 17:32 <Ubit> dj you missed the inertia functions :)
2017-06-26 17:33 <djphil> no
2017-06-26 17:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5686: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5686/
2017-06-26 17:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let osTeleport* always work on script prim owner
2017-06-26 17:33 <djphil> i add all on wiki and send to FS for syntax highlight
2017-06-26 17:34 <Ubit> Ohh ok
2017-06-26 17:34 <djphil> :)
2017-06-26 17:34 <djphil> just i have no tested
2017-06-26 17:36 <djphil> (all is reported on the related mantis)
2017-06-26 17:40 <djphil> https://jira.phoenixviewer.com/browse/FIRE-21301
2017-06-26 17:40 <djphil> lets me know if one or more missing, ty ;)
2017-06-26 17:40 <Ubit> ansariel must be sick
2017-06-26 17:40 <Ubit> she did add a few pretty fast
2017-06-26 17:41 <Ubit> for someone that says opensim only has 5 users.. not bad
2017-06-26 17:42 <djphil> Sorry to provide information one by one for Firestorm but I can not do much better
2017-06-26 17:43 <Ubit> tell them that not me :)
2017-06-26 17:43 <djphil> I discovered only some today ...
2017-06-26 17:43 <Ubit> you should app to them not me :)
2017-06-26 17:44 <djphil> oops :p
2017-06-26 17:44 <djphil> brb afk
2017-06-26 17:44 <Ubit> hmm
2017-06-26 17:44 <Ubit> +		<function name="osDrawFilledEllipse" sleep="0.0" energy="10.0"
2017-06-26 17:44 <Ubit> +			desc="string osDrawFilledEllipse(string drawList, integer width, integer height);Appends an FillEllipse drawing command to the string provided in drawList and returns the result. The filled ellipse is drawn with the current pen size and color, with the specified width and height (in pixels), centered on a point which is (width/2) pixels to the right of the pen's current X position, and (height/2) pixels below the pen's current Y position
2017-06-26 17:45 <Ubit> large help
2017-06-26 17:45 <Ubit> well that is ok... if not using transforms
2017-06-26 17:46 <Ubit> pen position is also affected by the transforms
2017-06-26 17:46 <Plugh> What would be nice is a function that will provide the width of some text so the information can be used to position text for centering or left/right justification.
2017-06-26 17:46 <Ubit> in't it there already?
2017-06-26 17:46 <Plugh> Not that I saw last time I looked.
2017-06-26 17:46 <Ubit> hmm actually mb worng
2017-06-26 17:47 <Plugh> You have to know how wide in pixels the object is and then just trial and error if you want something centered.
2017-06-26 17:47 <Ubit> let me recheck
2017-06-26 17:47 <Ubit> ye know.. wait
2017-06-26 17:48 <Ubit> public LSL_Vector osGetDrawStringSize(string contentType, string text, string fontName, int fontSize)
2017-06-26 17:48 <Ubit> ok looks fine
2017-06-26 17:48 <Ubit> jsut you need to now what is the current font :)
2017-06-26 17:48 <Ubit> default is Ariel 14
2017-06-26 17:49 <Ubit> see ?
2017-06-26 17:50 <Plugh> um... no. It returns a vector?
2017-06-26 17:50 <Ubit> this damm function eats permanetly 4MB of memory yeap
2017-06-26 17:50 <Ubit> yeap
2017-06-26 17:50 <Ubit> ignore z
2017-06-26 17:50 <Ubit> vector bc its easy to get size x and y at once
2017-06-26 17:51 <Plugh> ok
2017-06-26 17:52 <Ubit> and this is also with no ScaleTranform of course
2017-06-26 17:52 <Ubit> well this is old thing
2017-06-26 17:52 <Ubit> i mean that function
2017-06-26 17:53 <Plugh> hm... I wonder when that function was added
2017-06-26 17:53 <Ubit> don't know
2017-06-26 17:54 <Ubit> just don't like its permanent 4MB more or less
2017-06-26 17:54 <Ubit> :)
2017-06-26 17:54 <Ubit> well more than that
2017-06-26 17:55 <Plugh> hm... Been there since 2009-02-18. 
2017-06-26 17:55 <Ubit> guess from start possible
2017-06-26 17:56 <Ubit> bc it really needed
2017-06-26 17:56 <Plugh> yeah
2017-06-26 17:57 <Ubit> hmm it does take a bit to understand that thing
2017-06-26 17:57 <Ubit> worse now with the transforms
2017-06-26 17:58 <Ubit> but guess art is always trial and error anyway :p
2017-06-26 17:59 <Ubit> just i had the ideia local textures did work on neib sims
2017-06-26 17:59 <Ubit> and don't :(
2017-06-26 17:59 <Ubit> and that is bad
2017-06-26 17:59 <Plugh> The wiki is still such a mess. I know there is a table showing OSSL functions and their status but I can't find it right now.
2017-06-26 18:00 <Ubit> if u arrive at a neib and then cross, you will never see it
2017-06-26 18:00 <Plugh> neib?
2017-06-26 18:00 <Ubit> stays for ever broken on viewer cache
2017-06-26 18:00 <Ubit> nearby region
2017-06-26 18:01 <Plugh> nm. I was thinking of the table of LSL functions, not OSSL ones.
2017-06-26 18:16 <djphil> Plugh : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/LSL_Status/Functions
2017-06-26 18:18 <djphil> Why you send me info about osDrawFilledElipse Ubit ?
2017-06-26 18:18 <djphil> info provided here is no right ?
2017-06-26 18:18 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsDrawFilledEllipse
2017-06-26 18:18 <djphil> i made it yesterday
2017-06-26 18:18 <Ubit> its just FS commit like
2017-06-26 18:18 <Ubit> line
2017-06-26 18:19 <Ubit> the pen thing is not complex if transforms are used
2017-06-26 18:19 <Ubit> is now
2017-06-26 18:19 <djphil> yeah a little bit
2017-06-26 18:19 <djphil> i read your IM
2017-06-26 18:19 <Ubit> bc its coords are also transformed
2017-06-26 18:20 <djphil> with negative valuei get it work centred
2017-06-26 18:20 <Ubit> thats confusing
2017-06-26 18:20 <djphil> YEs, i juggled :p
2017-06-26 18:21 <Ubit> you do need to rotate  it in yr mind
2017-06-26 18:21 <Ubit> not always easy
2017-06-26 18:21 <Ubit> i prefer user translation
2017-06-26 18:21 <djphil> a shema is more explicit
2017-06-26 18:21 <Ubit> and then zero pen
2017-06-26 18:21 <Ubit> of use it as a extra offset
2017-06-26 18:21 <djphil> i mean a picture shema
2017-06-26 18:22 <Ubit> yeah but we do not have those :p
2017-06-26 18:22 <Ubit> and you do have GIMP
2017-06-26 18:22 <Ubit> lol
2017-06-26 18:22 <Ubit> but this local textures is a bad issue
2017-06-26 18:22 <djphil> i can do if i understand perfectly what transform do ...
2017-06-26 18:23 <Ubit> thye change the origin
2017-06-26 18:23 <djphil> Hmmm i have definitivly put Gimp on trash
2017-06-26 18:23 <Ubit> and scale etc
2017-06-26 18:23 <Ubit> :)
2017-06-26 18:24 <djphil> It will be fun to test all this.
2017-06-26 18:26 <Ubit>         CommandList = osSetPenSize( CommandList, 3 );                 // Set the pen width to 3 pixels
2017-06-26 18:26 <Ubit>         CommandList = osSetPenColor( CommandList, "WHITE" );           // Set the pen color to red
2017-06-26 18:26 <Ubit>         CommandList = osMovePen( CommandList, 100, 100 );   
2017-06-26 18:26 <Ubit> CommandList = osDrawFilledRectangle( CommandList, 5, 5 );
2017-06-26 18:26 <Ubit> this to put a little square so i can see where 100,100 aactually is..
2017-06-26 18:27 <Ubit> then tranforms
2017-06-26 18:27 <Ubit>         CommandList = osDrawTranslationTransform(CommandList, 100,100);
2017-06-26 18:27 <Ubit>         CommandList = osDrawRotationTransform(CommandList, -30);
2017-06-26 18:27 <Ubit>         CommandList = osMovePen( CommandList,0 , 0);
2017-06-26 18:27 <Ubit>         CommandList += "ScaleTransf -2,2;";       
2017-06-26 18:27 <Ubit>         CommandList = osDrawText(CommandList,"um teste");
2017-06-26 18:27 <Ubit>         CommandList += "ScaleTransf -.5,.5;";       
2017-06-26 18:27 <Ubit>         CommandList = osMovePen( CommandList,0 , 0);       
2017-06-26 18:27 <Ubit>         CommandList = osDrawFilledEllipse( CommandList, 50, 100 )
2017-06-26 18:28 <Ubit>  string ex = "width:256,height:256,alpha:255,bgcolor:BLACK";
2017-06-26 18:28 <Ubit> string u = osSetDynamicTextureDataFace("", "vector", CommandList,ex,0, 4);
2017-06-26 18:28 <Ubit> ...
2017-06-26 18:28 <Ubit> this is my last test
2017-06-26 18:28 <Ubit> hmm that second movepen is not needed on that case
2017-06-26 18:31 <Ubit> hmm and dj  i did change ossl threadin conventions
2017-06-26 18:31 <Ubit> there are NO threading functions now
2017-06-26 18:31 <Ubit> those only check if ossl is enabled
2017-06-26 18:32 <djphil> for all drawing you mean ?
2017-06-26 18:32 <Ubit> also for others
2017-06-26 18:32 <djphil> list available ?
2017-06-26 18:32 <Ubit> in fact this is all wrong ossl is our api
2017-06-26 18:32 <djphil> i mean readable list :)
2017-06-26 18:32 <Ubit> LSL is the one that should have thread levels :P
2017-06-26 18:33 <Ubit> looked to ossl.ini latelly ?
2017-06-26 18:34 <Ubit> i mean osslEnable,ini
2017-06-26 18:34 <djphil> when i update my sim to test FilledElipse, yes
2017-06-26 18:34 <Ubit> didn't notice...
2017-06-26 18:35 <Ubit> ;  Allow_osDrawEllipse =             true ; no level check
2017-06-26 18:35 <Ubit> ...
2017-06-26 18:35 <Ubit> ;  some ThreadLevel None functions no longer do level check. listed comment just to be visible
2017-06-26 18:35 <Ubit> ...
2017-06-26 18:36 <Ubit> Allow_osCheckODE =                true    ; Here for completeness. This function cannot be turned off
2017-06-26 18:36 <Ubit> hmm need update this
2017-06-26 18:37 <djphil> maybee this one too osSetDynamicTextureDataFace
2017-06-26 18:37 <Ubit> ossl was introduced as a shy dangerus extention ser api
2017-06-26 18:37 <Ubit> set
2017-06-26 18:38 <Ubit> so all things add the thread level
2017-06-26 18:38 <Ubit> well not it is more than that
2017-06-26 18:38 <djphil> osSetDynamicTextureDataFace is missing in osslEnable.ini
2017-06-26 18:38 <Ubit> and possible should be always on
2017-06-26 18:38 <Ubit> oops lost it :(
2017-06-26 18:40 <djphil> 
ACTION found it :)

2017-06-26 18:40 <Plugh> I think there are a few functions that aren't in osslEnable.ini as they can't be turned off.
2017-06-26 18:40 <Ubit> im adding all there Plugh
2017-06-26 18:40 <Ubit> commented
2017-06-26 18:40 <Plugh> ok, good
2017-06-26 18:40 <djphil> ability to turn off is cool
2017-06-26 18:40 <Ubit> so easy this work
2017-06-26 18:40 <Ubit> no it is not cool :p
2017-06-26 18:41 <djphil> hahaha
2017-06-26 18:41 <Plugh> When I finish getting this grid set up I should get back to updating the OSSL information in the wiki 
2017-06-26 18:41 <Ubit> and the lists for level control are growing a lot
2017-06-26 18:41 <Ubit> with performance impact
2017-06-26 18:42 <Ubit> we main also loose the rule that the Allow_  uses the function name
2017-06-26 18:42 <Ubit> and use groups of functions
2017-06-26 18:42 <Ubit> for example   only one Allow_osSetDynamic
2017-06-26 18:43 <djphil> I have partially done ossl on wiki Plugh. But it is welcome and complete and correct error i made :)
2017-06-26 18:43 <Plugh> I was working on filling in the threat level info and any penalties involved in using the function
2017-06-26 18:43 <Ubit> where did u found Allow_osSetDynamicTextureDataFace ?
2017-06-26 18:44 <djphil> is mising
2017-06-26 18:44 <Ubit> ok
2017-06-26 18:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #5687 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-26 18:46 <Ubit> :(
2017-06-26 18:46 <Ubit> the group check on this may add a extra delay on local tps
2017-06-26 18:46 <Ubit> :(
2017-06-26 18:47 <Ubit> damm it may actuall take 2 long and make the script fail
2017-06-26 18:47 <Ubit> grr
2017-06-26 18:47 <Ubit> but same on npcs etc
2017-06-26 18:48 <Ubit> osgrid just needs to have better net :p
2017-06-26 18:48 <djphil> Ubit, what the difference between osVolumeDetect and llVolumedetect ?
2017-06-26 18:48 <Ubit> no much at this point
2017-06-26 18:48 <djphil> ok
2017-06-26 18:48 <Ubit> the os will allow it on child prims
2017-06-26 18:49 <Ubit> i had it working ages ago.. lost it somewhere
2017-06-26 18:49 <djphil> ha oki
2017-06-26 18:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5687: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5687/
2017-06-26 18:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add similar restrictions to osObjectTeleport :(
2017-06-26 18:57 <djphil> what is TL for new Inertia functions ?
2017-06-26 18:57 <djphil> None too ?
2017-06-26 18:58 <Ubit> updating that on osslenable
2017-06-26 18:58 <djphil> oki
2017-06-26 19:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #5688 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-26 19:06 <Ubit> hm why getsunhour needs check?
2017-06-26 19:06 <djphil> good question!
2017-06-26 19:07 <Ubit> gender yes.. that is dangerus :p
2017-06-26 19:07 <Ubit> and outchhh
2017-06-26 19:08 <Ubit> reads VP
2017-06-26 19:08 <Ubit> better keep it as it
2017-06-26 19:08 <Ubit> is
2017-06-26 19:10 <djphil> all inertia TL up to date on wiki :)
2017-06-26 19:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5688: SUCCESS in 5 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5688/
2017-06-26 19:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update osslEnable.ini. functions that have no level check are still listed but commented, just to be more visible
2017-06-26 19:16 <djphil> what is the delay for all DynamicTextures ?
2017-06-26 19:16 <djphil> 2, 3, more ?
2017-06-26 19:16 <Ubit> simple have none
2017-06-26 19:16 <djphil> sure ?
2017-06-26 19:17 <djphil> is slow
2017-06-26 19:17 <Ubit> others.. you are lucy if they do finish :p
2017-06-26 19:20 <djphil> What others you talking about?
2017-06-26 19:20 <Ubit> the ones that do actual work
2017-06-26 19:21 <Ubit> osSetDynamicTextureData etc
2017-06-26 19:24 <djphil> I misunderstood what you meant here "others ... you are lucky if they finish"
2017-06-26 19:24 <djphil> Google don't help me :(
2017-06-26 19:24 <Ubit> many are just adding strings to the comand
2017-06-26 19:24 <Ubit> so.. light
2017-06-26 19:25 <Ubit> osSetDynamicTextureData and friends are the ones that do things
2017-06-26 19:25 <Ubit> see ?
2017-06-26 19:25 <djphil> ok but the DynamiCTExture function create ...
2017-06-26 19:25 <djphil> slowly
2017-06-26 19:25 <djphil> yes i understand now
2017-06-26 19:26 <Ubit> well u don't even need to call those auxiliar funtios
2017-06-26 19:26 <Ubit> you can just do the strings
2017-06-26 19:26 <Ubit> if u remember the sintaxe :)
2017-06-26 19:26 <djphil> yes! :)
2017-06-26 19:27 <djphil> i use it in the past on some script
2017-06-26 19:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #5689 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-26 19:27 <Ubit> oops
2017-06-26 19:30 <djphil> in some cases i found problem with osIsNpc
2017-06-26 19:30 <djphil> I have not yet succeeded in determining how to reproduce exactly
2017-06-26 19:30 <djphil> But in some cases, when the simulator restarts (it seems to be there), the function does not give the desired result
2017-06-26 19:30 <Ubit> npcs die on restart
2017-06-26 19:30 <djphil> yes
2017-06-26 19:30 <djphil> that not the problem
2017-06-26 19:31 <Ubit> you u create then u need the new uuid they have
2017-06-26 19:31 <djphil> on script create a new every time the sim restart
2017-06-26 19:31 <djphil> and
2017-06-26 19:31 <djphil> when i try to delete it
2017-06-26 19:31 <djphil> i can't
2017-06-26 19:31 <djphil> because i verify with osIsNpc
2017-06-26 19:31 <Ubit> yeap you did not update the uuid
2017-06-26 19:31 <djphil> before delete
2017-06-26 19:32 <djphil> i don't need to update the uuid
2017-06-26 19:32 <Ubit> yes u do
2017-06-26 19:32 <djphil> i delete the npc with a separate script
2017-06-26 19:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5689: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5689/
2017-06-26 19:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: take a few more out of level check
2017-06-26 19:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #5690 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-26 19:32 <Ubit> both need to have the correct npc UUID  no? :p
2017-06-26 19:33 <Ubit> hmmm this is old
2017-06-26 19:33 <djphil> using llGetAgentList or similar to detect Npc
2017-06-26 19:33 <Ubit> we no longer need to use the npc module to check a nps
2017-06-26 19:33 <Ubit> npc
2017-06-26 19:33 <djphil> and verify with "if (osIsNpc ... then kill
2017-06-26 19:34 <djphil> and do'nt kill every tilmes ...
2017-06-26 19:34 <djphil> i search why ...
2017-06-26 19:34 <djphil> when i found i report :)
2017-06-26 19:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5690: SUCCESS in 5 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5690/
2017-06-26 19:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: also on the actual source file
2017-06-26 19:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #5691 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-26 19:48 <djphil> osGetNPCList or osGetNpcList
2017-06-26 19:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5691: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5691/
2017-06-26 19:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add osGetNPCList()
2017-06-26 19:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #5692 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-26 20:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5692: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5692/
2017-06-26 20:01 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: dont list deleted ones, that still don't know they are gone
2017-06-26 20:01 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: dont list deleted ones, that still don't know they are gone
2017-06-26 20:04 <smxy> The continuous TPing has been running for a little more than 24 hours, Ubit, and still working perfectly.
2017-06-26 20:06 <djphil> you TP Npc with osTeleportAgent ?
2017-06-26 20:07 <djphil> or osTeleportObject ?
2017-06-26 20:07 <smxy> Agent
2017-06-26 20:08 <djphil> only on same region i suppose
2017-06-26 20:08 <smxy> I'm not testing TPs. I'm trying to force ubODE to fail to send collisions to objects, in the same whay that Bulletsim fails. I'm hoping that ubODE doesn't fail. :)
2017-06-26 20:08 <djphil> ha ok
2017-06-26 20:09 <smxy> Yes, same region. For my "between regions" test, I use bots.
2017-06-26 20:09 <djphil> Hmm i have never trying TP a Npc with osTeleportObject :p
2017-06-26 20:09 <smxy> It does happen to be a good test of the TP system, too. :)
2017-06-26 20:10 <smxy> I din't think an NPC is considered an object.
2017-06-26 20:10 <smxy> don't*
2017-06-26 20:10 <smxy> It's just a soul-less avatar. :)
2017-06-26 20:10 <smxy> Spawn of Satan
2017-06-26 20:10 <smxy> :)
2017-06-26 20:11 <djphil> i think TP a Npc with osTeleportAgent is very similar to move a Npc With osNpcMoveTo
2017-06-26 20:12 <smxy> Maybe, but doesn't stress test TPing. :)
2017-06-26 20:12 <djphil> :)
2017-06-26 20:20 <osmantis> Bug #8199:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] Function name disagrees with similar function names 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8199 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2017-06-26 20:20 <osmantis> Bug #8199:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] Function name disagrees with similar function names 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8199 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2017-06-26 20:24 <osmantis> Bug #8199:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] Function name disagrees with similar function names 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8199 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-06-26 21:31 <osmantis> Bug #8199:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] Function name disagrees with similar function names 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8199 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-06-26 21:56 <djphil> Plugh ?
2017-06-26 21:56 <djphil> have you god power on wiki ?
2017-06-26 21:56 <Plugh> yes. Is there a problem?
2017-06-26 21:56 <djphil> just a little yes
2017-06-26 21:57 <Plugh> What is the problem?
2017-06-26 21:57 <djphil> i have create a new page instead of rename the old
2017-06-26 21:57 <djphil> now i can delete one
2017-06-26 21:57 <djphil> is a blanck page
2017-06-26 21:57 <djphil> you see ?
2017-06-26 21:58 <djphil> this can be definitivly deleted
2017-06-26 21:58 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsObjectTeleport
2017-06-26 21:58 <djphil> sorry ;)
2017-06-26 21:59 <nebadon> i deleted it
2017-06-26 22:00 <Plugh> You deleted the wrong page?
2017-06-26 22:11 <djphil> no that ok now
2017-06-26 22:11 <djphil> ty Neb
2017-06-26 22:33 <smxy> 
ACTION waves at nebadon ... long time no chat

2017-06-26 22:46 <nebadon> hey smxy, sorry was afk
2017-06-26 22:47 <smxy> How've you been, neb?
2017-06-26 22:47 <nebadon> good, keeping busy :)
2017-06-26 22:47 <nebadon> how are you doing?
2017-06-26 22:48 <smxy> Pretty good, now that everyone has, for the time being, stopped dying and leaving me to pick up the pieces. :)
2017-06-26 22:48 <smxy> It's nice having my life back under my control again. :)
2017-06-26 22:50 <smxy> So, of course, the first thing I'm doing is getting my grid all updated and spiffy again.
2017-06-26 22:54 <nebadon> cool
2017-06-27 00:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #5693 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-27 00:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5693: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5693/
2017-06-27 00:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove osGetAgentIP() this was not a good idea to have :(
2017-06-27 01:33 <smxy> What was the problem with it?
2017-06-27 01:34 <Ubit> the name tells it all
2017-06-27 02:02 <smxy> What was wrong with getting their IP though? People's IP show up in the OpenSim logs all over the place.
2017-06-27 02:02 <smxy> Or is it one thing to have only the grid-owner see it, and another to have possibly anyone see it?
2017-06-27 02:02 <Ubit> yes but opensim logs are region owners thing like console
2017-06-27 02:03 <Ubit> that is possible to unock for any user
2017-06-27 02:03 <Ubit> unlock
2017-06-27 02:08 <Ubit> and yes you are not the only one kicking on that :p
2017-06-27 02:08 <Ubit> but i do take ( some) kicks nicelly :)
2017-06-27 02:18 <osmantis> Bug #8192:04 [MOAP] The characters "é è à â ä" of a notecard are not displayed correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8192 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-06-27 03:57 <osmantis> Bug #7897:04 NPC Are Not Ignored By Access List 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-27 09:52 <djphil> Hello
2017-06-27 09:52 <djphil> Hmmm bad day today
2017-06-27 09:52 <djphil> Why remove osGetAgentIP
2017-06-27 09:52 <djphil> We use this function, it is very useful
2017-06-27 09:52 <djphil> For example I use it to make pretty list of visitors with flag.
2017-06-27 09:52 <djphil> As you can see here http://i.imgur.com/FpZDRG8.jpg
2017-06-27 09:52 <djphil> I also use ip for region security scripts
2017-06-27 09:52 <djphil> For example we may need to ban a user from our region thanks to its IP address. It is not always possible to do this with its username or uuid
2017-06-27 09:52 <djphil> Why not let the owner of simulators
2017-06-27 09:52 <djphil> It may decide not to allow this function if it wishes
2017-06-27 09:52 <djphil> Allow_osGetAgentIP = False or True
2017-06-27 09:52 <djphil> Delete completely is a regression and definitely make users disgruntled.
2017-06-27 09:52 <djphil> Mmmm what happens?
2017-06-27 10:01 <osmantis> Bug #7897:04 NPC Are Not Ignored By Access List 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7897 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-06-27 10:12 <osmantis> Bug #8192:04 [MOAP] The characters "é è à â ä" of a notecard are not displayed correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8192 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-06-27 15:08 <Ubit> 
ACTION still remebers ird days where he banned entire schools and univs because they only had one IP

2017-06-27 15:08 <Ubit> irc..
2017-06-27 15:31 <CrasherRob> I also use osGetAgentIP for user ban. Users can (and have) easily add new alts.
2017-06-27 15:32 <Ubit> ip bans aren't that good
2017-06-27 15:33 <CrasherRob> It got rid of a user who continually added self-replicating scripts in my sandbox. 
2017-06-27 15:33 <Ubit> yeah work on same easy cases
2017-06-27 15:34 <Ubit> until the guy gets just a bit clever
2017-06-27 15:34 <Ubit> well never mind..  
2017-06-27 16:03 <smxy> On the other hand, a person's IP address is persoanl information that may tie back to a specific person's identity, and many places have laws against this information being recorded or used. It also opens up user to attack by others (DDOS, etc.), if anyone who can write an LSL script can get anyone else's IP address. These are reasons NOT to have the function - at least not for anyone 
2017-06-27 16:03 <smxy> other than the person who runs the grid and has access to the region's command line. They'd be able to see people's IPs anyway, as they are littered throught the region logs.
2017-06-27 16:03 <smxy> throughout*
2017-06-27 16:06 <djphil> If he can see it on the newspaper ... why not inworld?
2017-06-27 16:07 <djphil> You can allow this function only for you
2017-06-27 16:07 <djphil> I mean if it's not completely removed ...
2017-06-27 16:08 <jakdaniels> perhaps, instead of removing that function it should only ever be available to ESTATE_OWNER ?
2017-06-27 16:08 <djphil> +1
2017-06-27 16:08 <Ubit> no not estate owner
2017-06-27 16:08 <Ubit> -1
2017-06-27 16:08 <Ubit> :p
2017-06-27 16:09 <djphil> only 2 votes :o
2017-06-27 16:09 <djphil> suspens lol
2017-06-27 16:09 <Ubit> except that we core decide :p
2017-06-27 16:09 <djphil> heh
2017-06-27 16:10 <djphil> have you read about NPC function Typo ?
2017-06-27 16:10 <Ubit> what typo?
2017-06-27 16:11 <djphil> NPC need to be Npc
2017-06-27 16:11 <djphil> osNpc, not osNPC
2017-06-27 16:11 <Ubit> actualy should be NPC
2017-06-27 16:11 <djphil> all is osNpc
2017-06-27 16:12 <Ubit> yeap but Npc is the typo
2017-06-27 16:12 <djphil> i mean min/maj
2017-06-27 16:12 <Ubit> but its as before .. better keep as is
2017-06-27 16:12 <Ubit> no need to break scripts bc of a minor typo
2017-06-27 16:12 <djphil> you have osGetNPCList
2017-06-27 16:13 <Ubit> yeap but that is new
2017-06-27 16:13 <djphil> yes minor typo
2017-06-27 16:13 <Ubit> so no bad impact
2017-06-27 16:13 <djphil> cosmetic minor error type
2017-06-27 16:13 <Ubit> yeap
2017-06-27 16:13 <djphil> true
2017-06-27 16:14 <Ubit> ubOde should possible also be ubODE... but its a name.. so...
2017-06-27 16:14 <jakdaniels> Not Perfect CamelCase ;)
2017-06-27 16:14 <djphil> os function is more important
2017-06-27 16:14 <Ubit> thinh is that NPC is Non Personal Character
2017-06-27 16:14 <djphil> used by all users
2017-06-27 16:15 <Ubit> and rule on this case is to use caps
2017-06-27 16:15 <smxy> Non-Player Character
2017-06-27 16:15 <Ubit> like is LED not led
2017-06-27 16:15 <Ubit> etc
2017-06-27 16:15 <Ubit> LASER not laser
2017-06-27 16:15 <Ubit> etc...
2017-06-27 16:15 <smxy> Light Emitting Diode
2017-06-27 16:15 <Ubit> yeap
2017-06-27 16:15 <djphil> hmmm
2017-06-27 16:16 <djphil> then you rename all others (lol)
2017-06-27 16:16 <Ubit> 2 late
2017-06-27 16:16 <Ubit> and who im i to fix typos :P
2017-06-27 16:17 <smxy> You make more than you fix. :)
2017-06-27 16:17 <Ubit> yeap :)
2017-06-27 16:17 <smxy> Your commit messages would drive an English teacher mad.
2017-06-27 16:18 <Ubit> well that is good .. who likes english teachers? :p
2017-06-27 16:18 <smxy> Both of my Grandmothers were, so I do. :)
2017-06-27 16:18 <Ubit> :)
2017-06-27 16:18 <djphil> i use GT
2017-06-27 16:21 <smxy> Et les professeurs d'anglais de votre grand-mère?
2017-06-27 16:21 <smxy> I can use GT, too. :p
2017-06-27 16:21 <djphil> :)
2017-06-27 16:22 <smxy> I actually took two classes in French, but then never had any reason to use it, so lost it all. :(
2017-06-27 16:23 <djphil> When I see the translation GT ... it scares me.
2017-06-27 16:23 <djphil> I sometimes imagine what I can say here and that is badly translated
2017-06-27 16:24 <smxy> It's generally good enough to figure out what someone means.
2017-06-27 16:28 <smxy> Ubit, in about 3 hours, my NPC will have been continuously TPing around the region, as fast as it can, for two days. That's pretty good, so I have switched my two gate regions over to ubODE, after blowing away their state. We shall see how it goes. :)
2017-06-27 16:47 <Ubit> ok
2017-06-27 16:49 <Ubit> dj  that utf-8 notecards
2017-06-27 16:49 <Ubit> i only said it also happens at sl
2017-06-27 16:52 <djphil> Then there is also a problem on sl, it is possible. I have not tested on sl
2017-06-27 16:52 <djphil> You mean there is no solution ?
2017-06-27 16:53 <Ubit> jsut that went test there :p
2017-06-27 16:53 <djphil> ha ok
2017-06-27 16:54 <djphil> Some were resolved in opensim
2017-06-27 16:59 <Ubit> dj "ol&aacute &eacute pois" works
2017-06-27 17:01 <osmantis> Bug #8192:04 [MOAP] The characters "é è à â ä" of a notecard are not displayed correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8192 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-27 17:05 <Ubit> you think getagentIP restricted to god only is a acceptable compormise ?
2017-06-27 17:06 <Ubit> or compromise ?
2017-06-27 17:06 <Ubit> :)
2017-06-27 17:06 <nebadon> has anyone presented use cases of this function?
2017-06-27 17:06 <Ubit> bad ones lol
2017-06-27 17:07 <nebadon> examples?
2017-06-27 17:07 <Ubit> well a ban case... 
2017-06-27 17:07 <Ubit> a not acceptable show user flag one
2017-06-27 17:07 <nebadon> and how would that be any different than getting it from "show connections" on console
2017-06-27 17:07 <nebadon> i would imagine banning by ip means having console access
2017-06-27 17:07 <Ubit> dif is inworld versus machine admin
2017-06-27 17:08 <nebadon> so im not sure thats a good case
2017-06-27 17:08 <nebadon> yes but how can in world ban by IP?
2017-06-27 17:08 <Ubit> guess on machine..  just not looking to console :)
2017-06-27 17:08 <nebadon> that doesnt make a whole lot of sense
2017-06-27 17:08 <nebadon> if you have ability to ban by ip you should have console access
2017-06-27 17:08 <Ubit> well i did remove it :)
2017-06-27 17:09 <Ubit> just seeing ppl cases :)
2017-06-27 17:09 <nebadon> yea
2017-06-27 17:09 <nebadon> that one didnt convince me :)
2017-06-27 17:09 <nebadon> hehe
2017-06-27 17:09 <Ubit> :)
2017-06-27 17:10 <Ubit> well putting it back for god only is as far i accept going.. if proven usefull :)
2017-06-27 17:10 <djphil> for me is good
2017-06-27 17:10 <jakdaniels> can the console IP ban stop users visiting just one region of say three, running in one instance of opensim? A script on that one region could?
2017-06-27 17:11 <nebadon> I dont think there is any way via opensim to ban by ip
2017-06-27 17:11 <nebadon> that would be a operating system firewall block
2017-06-27 17:11 <nebadon> but maybe I am wrong
2017-06-27 17:11 <djphil> I mean already good compromise
2017-06-27 17:11 <nebadon> something im unaware of
2017-06-27 17:12 <jakdaniels> djphil, what was your specific use case for it?
2017-06-27 17:12 <Plugh> why is the getagentip suddenly a problem? It has been around for ages and has a threat level of High so it isn't enabled by default.
2017-06-27 17:14 <osmantis> Bug #8192:04 [MOAP] The characters "é è à â ä" of a notecard are not displayed correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8192 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-06-27 17:14 <djphil> :o
2017-06-27 17:15 <djphil> +1 Plugh
2017-06-27 17:21 <smxy> Anyone who wants to ban by IP (which is probably spoofed anyway), can get the IP from the region log, and then use it in their firewall rule.
2017-06-27 17:22 <jakdaniels> As a privacy issue it's a function that should never be accessible by everyone, but only the region owner. If a region owner wants to fly a flag of the visitors country at the landing point, based on their IP address and a GeoIp lookup, then why not? Every website I visit has my Ip address... and can script with it as they please...
2017-06-27 17:23 <Ubit> it is not region owner jak is machine/simulator owner.. not the same
2017-06-27 17:24 <smxy> Although, if you're on a VPN, like more and more are these days, that IP might have nothing to do with your actual location.
2017-06-27 17:25 <nebadon> I am ok with bringing it back as compromise I guess, with tighter restrictions.
2017-06-27 17:25 <nebadon> though I have to say i havent really heard a convincing case for having it at all
2017-06-27 17:25 <nebadon> since we already had it for years, complete removal seems unwarranted
2017-06-27 17:26 <djphil> We do not necessarily want to know the actual location ... or even have to scan our log and then manually add a rule in the firewall
2017-06-27 17:26 <djphil> We like simple things if (osGetAgentIp = "123") Teleport
2017-06-27 17:26 <djphil> Or if (osGetAgentIp = "123") Get a beautifull country flag
2017-06-27 17:26 <djphil> As you can see on many forums for example
2017-06-27 17:27 <Ubit> no dj  flag is a misuse
2017-06-27 17:27 <nebadon> doing it by IP is horribe idea
2017-06-27 17:27 <nebadon> by UUID is much better
2017-06-27 17:27 <djphil> What do you do with hypegrd usernames?
2017-06-27 17:27 <djphil> user@mypersonalip.no-ip.org
2017-06-27 17:27 <smxy> right, as you give away info about where they are from - private info
2017-06-27 17:27 <nebadon> i can change my ip address 50 times an hour
2017-06-27 17:28 <nebadon> super easy
2017-06-27 17:28 <nebadon> ip ban will not stop me
2017-06-27 17:28 <djphil> esy to translate 01mypersonalip.no-ip.org01 to real ip
2017-06-27 17:28 <djphil> easy*
2017-06-27 17:28 <jakdaniels> I understand the difference region/machine/owner, I'm just saying that a region, region(s) or instance owner should be allowed to get that info, even if they have no view via a console of the machine/simulator that's providing them with a service...
2017-06-27 17:29 <Plugh> Any user running an instance connected to an open grid would have access to the IP address of any visitor by just looking at the instance log file.
2017-06-27 17:29 <djphil> Smxy when you connect to the internet you give private information.
2017-06-27 17:29 <djphil> And your provider does not give your private address
2017-06-27 17:29 <smxy> Even if you have it, you need to be very careful what you DO with it.
2017-06-27 17:30 <smxy> Th EU has very specific legal rules about this stuff.
2017-06-27 17:30 <djphil> You have more chance like me jakdaniels lol
2017-06-27 17:30 <jakdaniels> yes..... every opensim instance owner has that responsibility about the data in the logs or anything else they collect...
2017-06-27 17:31 <jakdaniels> but I like the idea that, responsibly, at the region level you can script things based on client IP address...
2017-06-27 17:32 <djphil> Hmmm I was gone inworld for me to change the ideas of frustrations and I'll discuss that continuing here lol
2017-06-27 17:32 <djphil> Now I'm still here grrrr
2017-06-27 17:35 <djphil> Tell me, is PHP deleting $ _SERVER ['REMOTE_ADDR']
2017-06-27 17:36 <djphil> Hmmm security seems not to be the same for everyone ...
2017-06-27 18:15 <osmantis> Bug #8192:04 [MOAP] The characters "é è à â ä" of a notecard are not displayed correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8192 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-06-27 20:39 <osmantis> Bug #8192:04 [MOAP] The characters "é è à â ä" of a notecard are not displayed correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8192 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-27 21:45 <testdev> what is the current stable release of opensim?
2017-06-27 21:46 <Ubit> what stable release on opensim ??
2017-06-27 21:46 <Ubit> oops :)
2017-06-27 21:46 <testdev> lol
2017-06-27 21:47 <testdev> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/0.9.0.0_Release
2017-06-27 21:47 <testdev> suggests 0.9.0.0 is the best one to start with?
2017-06-27 21:49 <testdev> but the download link goes to 0.8.2.1 ? - so not sure what the most stable release - can anyone help?
2017-06-27 21:50 <Ubit> the last oficial release is that yes.. for reasons
2017-06-27 21:50 <Ubit> there are also 0,9 release candifates
2017-06-27 21:50 <Ubit> RC2 the last one
2017-06-27 21:51 <testdev> so for RC2 what should I put after git reset --hard ????
2017-06-27 21:51 <Ubit> osgrid does binary releases
2017-06-27 21:51 <Ubit> only a few days or weaks behind master dev
2017-06-27 21:52 <testdev> prefer to test with source if that is allowed?
2017-06-27 21:52 <Ubit> ohh they also give the sources on a zip
2017-06-27 21:52 <Ubit> the only dif relative to master is that code did run on plazas
2017-06-27 21:53 <Ubit> without killing everyone :p
2017-06-27 21:53 <testdev> lol
2017-06-27 21:53 <testdev> so you get RC2 - do I just get the master and build from there?
2017-06-27 21:53 <Ubit> RC2 is now outdated also :(
2017-06-27 21:54 <testdev> so master today is my best bet to prepare for 0.9 release?
2017-06-27 21:54 <Ubit> well today i think it is working :p
2017-06-27 21:54 <testdev> great
2017-06-27 21:54 <testdev> i will start there
2017-06-27 21:55 <Ubit> or just grab the osg sources
2017-06-27 21:55 <Ubit> those did work for sometime on plazas as i said
2017-06-27 21:55 <Ubit> the only thing is that inis maybe changed for osgrid connection.. not sure
2017-06-27 21:56 <Ubit> on the binaries they are..  you have to edit a lot to have a standalone
2017-06-27 21:56 <testdev> hey if I test today and find a problem I will let you know - but just don't want to go with something that is purely experimental
2017-06-27 21:57 <smxy> Better not use Dev Master then. :p
2017-06-27 21:58 <Ubit> yeap by def master is experimental
2017-06-27 21:58 <Ubit> ( and does get broken )
2017-06-27 21:58 <nebadon> also if you want to use something like Divas wifi Web interface you need to use the stable release
2017-06-27 21:58 <nebadon> 0.8.2
2017-06-27 21:59 <testdev> i find 0.8.2 does not teleport well to many 0.9 instances
2017-06-27 21:59 <nebadon> this is what I use in my production environments
2017-06-27 21:59 <nebadon> it should
2017-06-27 21:59 <nebadon> i dont have any problem with teleporting
2017-06-27 21:59 <smxy> Or do like I do, and run Wifi in a separate Robust of its own, that you don't update between stable releases.
2017-06-27 21:59 <nebadon> you might need to increase teleport distance perhaps
2017-06-27 22:00 <smxy> yes, change the check4096 setting
2017-06-27 22:00 <testdev> Is Robust fairly stable today?
2017-06-27 22:00 <nebadon> there is not a whole lot of difference with robust between 0.8.2 and 0.9
2017-06-27 22:01 <smxy> I guess I didn't ask if you are running in grid or standalone mode.
2017-06-27 22:01 <testdev> i am just looking into it - but grid mode using robust
2017-06-27 22:01 <testdev> got it working a few days ago from source
2017-06-27 22:02 <smxy> I've found Robust to be quite, well, robust. :)
2017-06-27 22:02 <testdev> but thought it might be better to revert to something people think is more stable - but it appears master is the closest I will get to 0.9 release
2017-06-27 22:03 <smxy> At the moment, yes.
2017-06-27 22:04 <smxy> But a lot of people are running the OSGrid copy, which is pretty recent, so you'd likely not go wrong using that.
2017-06-27 22:04 <testdev> any idea when 0.9 will be released - watched the OSCC16 - OpenSimulator Core Developer Panel which suggest is was soon
2017-06-27 22:04 <smxy> When it's ready.
2017-06-27 22:04 <Ubit> it was soon on OSCC15 also
2017-06-27 22:05 <Ubit> uff things...
2017-06-27 22:05 <testdev> i was thinking postgresql would be a better fit for me - that is support - true?
2017-06-27 22:05 <Ubit> less tested
2017-06-27 22:06 <smxy> MySQL gets the most love.
2017-06-27 22:07 <testdev> true - but many companies prefer prostgresql - replication etc...
2017-06-27 22:07 <nebadon> if you go MySQL route, i suggest using MariaDB
2017-06-27 22:07 <smxy> Nebadon: you still using MariaDB?
2017-06-27 22:07 <smxy> And there you go.
2017-06-27 22:07 <nebadon> id say start simple
2017-06-27 22:07 <smxy> :)
2017-06-27 22:07 <nebadon> before you start thinking about replication and stuff
2017-06-27 22:08 <nebadon> besides you can do all that with Maria/MySQL too
2017-06-27 22:08 <smxy> That's what I'm figuring out now.
2017-06-27 22:08 <testdev> grid mode postgresql did work fine from source a few days ago
2017-06-27 22:08 <nebadon> yea im sure it is fine
2017-06-27 22:08 <nebadon> however when things change it does not get updated as quickly
2017-06-27 22:08 <nebadon> its probably like 99% fine though
2017-06-27 22:08 <smxy> We have people using it and they tend to be vocal if it breaks.
2017-06-27 22:09 <nebadon> could very well be 100% too
2017-06-27 22:09 <nebadon> but dont quote me on that :)
2017-06-27 22:09 <nebadon> however there are probably not many people here in this channel who can help with problems
2017-06-27 22:09 <nebadon> should they arise
2017-06-27 22:09 <nebadon> take that into consideration
2017-06-27 22:10 <nebadon> using postgres that is
2017-06-27 22:10 <nebadon> id bet money most of the core developer team is using mysql/maria
2017-06-27 22:11 <nebadon> as are the big grids
2017-06-27 22:11 <testdev> ok - so code today was just downloaded and build succeded
2017-06-27 22:12 <testdev> anybody looking at .net core?
2017-06-27 22:12 <nebadon> I looked, its very incomplete
2017-06-27 22:12 <nebadon> not able to run something as complex as opensim
2017-06-27 22:12 <testdev> yes - i feel the same way
2017-06-27 22:13 <testdev> it is a real pain moving over another project
2017-06-27 22:13 <nebadon> yea and since microsoft owns Mono now
2017-06-27 22:13 <smxy> Oh? When did that happen?
2017-06-27 22:13 <nebadon> its getting fairly good attention now too
2017-06-27 22:13 <nebadon> microsoft bought Xamarin
2017-06-27 22:13 <testdev> do you rebuild opensim on linux? or copy over the binaries  ?
2017-06-27 22:14 <nebadon> i pretty much only use linux for opensim
2017-06-27 22:14 <smxy> I always build on Linux with Mono.
2017-06-27 22:14 <smxy> And then run it under that same Mono.
2017-06-27 22:14 <nebadon> if i run opensim on windows its either out of pure desperation of not having linux easily accesible or im being insanely lazy
2017-06-27 22:14 <nebadon> lol
2017-06-27 22:15 <nebadon> however
2017-06-27 22:15 <nebadon> it should not matter where you build it
2017-06-27 22:15 <nebadon> the resulting output should run anywhere mono can run
2017-06-27 22:15 <testdev> the debugger on monodevelop is temperamental - so I debug on windows
2017-06-27 22:15 <nebadon> yea debugging is different story of course
2017-06-27 22:16 <nebadon> in terms of every day use though its only linux here
2017-06-27 22:16 <testdev> for me too
2017-06-27 22:16 <nebadon> i even have a sim running on a raspberry pi 2 board
2017-06-27 22:18 <smxy> nebadon always was a little nuts ... :p
2017-06-27 22:22 <Plugh> I'm just setting up a new grid and I will be using MariaDB
2017-06-27 22:25 <smxy> Melanie_T once told me that we shouldn't use MariaDB, because it didn't play nice with that other asset storage method (I forget the name). I wonder if that's still the case.
2017-06-27 22:25 <smxy> fsassets?
2017-06-27 22:25 <smxy> Is that it?
2017-06-27 22:25 <Plugh> FSAssets or that other thing
2017-06-27 22:25 <Melanie_T> there were issues with mariadb at that time
2017-06-27 22:26 <Plugh> The Ruby based version
2017-06-27 22:26 <Melanie_T> since i haven't tried again i don't know if they still exist
2017-06-27 22:26 <smxy> Hey Mel. So is MariaDB 'ok' now?
2017-06-27 22:26 <smxy> ah, ok
2017-06-27 22:26 <Plugh> Any ideas what type of problems? I can keep any eye out for them.
2017-06-27 22:26 <Melanie_T> i don't know. the main issue is that it remains bleeding edge on innodb
2017-06-27 22:27 <Melanie_T> many innodb changes that don't make it into mysql are in maria
2017-06-27 22:27 <Plugh> ok
2017-06-27 22:27 <smxy> That doesn't automatically make them bad ...
2017-06-27 22:27 <Melanie_T> there is a potential for problems but i do beieve, at the age of the project, they may have fixed them
2017-06-27 22:27 <Melanie_T> however, i still use mysql. why should i change?
2017-06-27 22:28 <Melanie_T> maria + galera is the same thing as mysql + percona
2017-06-27 22:28 <Plugh> This is a new server that came with MariaBD
2017-06-27 22:28 <Melanie_T> in functionality
2017-06-27 22:28 <Melanie_T> i can do clustering without using maria
2017-06-27 22:28 <Melanie_T> it's quite easy to switch
2017-06-27 22:28 <smxy> well, Percona has their own MySQL replacement, too.
2017-06-27 22:28 <Plugh> I saw a reference to galera but haven't looked at what it is and whether it is worth looking at.
2017-06-27 22:28 <Melanie_T> if you want to use it, go ahead
2017-06-27 22:28 <Melanie_T> just be sure to keep good backups
2017-06-27 22:28 <Melanie_T> until you can be sure it works for your use case
2017-06-27 22:29 <Melanie_T> that is a sound strategy anyway
2017-06-27 22:29 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2017-06-27 22:29 <smxy> yes
2017-06-27 22:29 <Plugh> The grid I'm setting up is not a social one so it will see different usage.
2017-06-27 22:29 <smxy> I'm a big fan of Percona's toolkit and XTRABackup. But I haven't used their MySQL replacement server.
2017-06-27 22:30 <Plugh> I was thinking about using Percona but got put off by the several hundred pages of docs that go with it.
2017-06-27 22:30 <smxy> MySQL probably has as many.
2017-06-27 22:31 <Plugh> True but I didn't have to read them to figure out how to set it up and start using MySQL.
2017-06-27 22:34 <nebadon> its really not that hard to switch over even at a later date
2017-06-27 22:34 <smxy> I wonder if you really need to, to use Percona either. It's supposed to be a drop-in replacement for MySQL, after all.
2017-06-27 22:34 <nebadon> it takes quite a while to outgrow stock mysql or mariadb
2017-06-27 22:34 <nebadon> you have to be doing some serious business
2017-06-27 22:36 <smxy> BTW, Melanie_T, I never got to say that I was sorry to hear about Avination shutting down. :( What're you doing these days?
2017-06-27 22:36 <Melanie_T> headset type stuff
2017-06-27 22:36 <smxy> VR games?
2017-06-27 22:37 <Plugh> smxy: I was interested in the part of Percona related to DB replication and being able to verify that the replicated DB isn't missing any data that is in the master DB's.
2017-06-27 22:37 <smxy> Plugh: Yes, their toolkit is really quite nice.
2017-06-27 22:37 <Plugh> Once you figure out how to use it. :)
2017-06-27 22:38 <smxy> At least it HAS good docs.
2017-06-27 22:38 <Plugh> There is probably a quickstart guide to the tools online. I just haven't had time to look for them.
2017-06-27 22:38 <Plugh> yes, that's for sure.
2017-06-27 22:38 <Melanie_T> percona = galera
2017-06-27 22:39 <Melanie_T> use the galera getting started guide
2017-06-27 22:39 <Melanie_T> then find to fix the quirks using percona reference
2017-06-27 22:39 <smxy> It does require that everything is InnoDB though, and I think we still have one table that isn't because Dive persists in using an older version of MySQL. :)
2017-06-27 22:39 <smxy> But anyone with a newer one could easily change that.
2017-06-27 22:40 <smxy> Diva*
2017-06-27 22:40 <testdev> appears today's build worked with postgresql - first time using Robust.HG - I do have to put the connection string in both Robust.ini and Robust.HG.ini - true?
2017-06-27 22:40 <nebadon> no its either or
2017-06-27 22:40 <nebadon> Robust.ini is non-Hypergrid version
2017-06-27 22:41 <nebadon> however normally what i do to make it simple is rename the hg one to just Robust.ini
2017-06-27 22:41 <nebadon> the .examples are just that
2017-06-27 22:41 <nebadon> examples
2017-06-27 22:43 <testdev> that is what I thought initially - but when I only used Robust.HG.ini and picked GridHypergrid.ini architecture - got an exception on HttpServerBase.cs line 374 - i must of missed a step
2017-06-27 22:43 <smxy> Melanie_T: If I want to export all of my grid from my OLD MySQL, to importinto a much newer version, are there any special arguments I need to use, when exporting/importing, to make sure that everything makes the move correctly?
2017-06-27 22:43 <Melanie_T> no
2017-06-27 22:44 <Melanie_T> just use plain mysqldump
2017-06-27 22:44 <smxy> and expect a big file. ok
2017-06-27 22:44 <Melanie_T> you can also use xtrabackup
2017-06-27 22:44 <Melanie_T> for inno only
2017-06-27 22:44 <Melanie_T> myisqm will not be transferred
2017-06-27 22:44 <Melanie_T> be aware that galera will only replicate innodb
2017-06-27 22:45 <smxy> right
2017-06-27 22:46 <smxy> Something I need to learn is how to best tune MySQL/Maria/Percona for InnoDB.
2017-06-27 22:46 <smxy> It's a bit of a black art, I think.
2017-06-27 22:52 <smxy> Melanie_T: "Percona", per se, isn't precisely Galera. "Percona XtraDB Cluster" is Percona Server (the MySQL replacement) + Percona XtraBackup + Codership Galera. Once can use Percona Server without the other parts, and you can use Percona XtraBackup with MySQL or MariaDB.
2017-06-27 22:53 <Melanie_T> i didn't men to generalize, only to simplify
2017-06-27 22:53 <smxy> :)
2017-06-27 22:53 <Melanie_T> the question was "how to start"
2017-06-27 22:53 <Melanie_T> and i said to sart withgalera step by step
2017-06-27 22:53 <Melanie_T> then use percona referece manuals to resolve issues
2017-06-27 22:53 <smxy> It does look complicated.
2017-06-27 22:54 <Melanie_T> as percona doesn't have a comprehensive step-by-step
2017-06-27 22:54 <smxy> No, they don't. :(
2017-06-27 22:55 <smxy> But the do have a User Manual, which is as good a place as any, to start.
2017-06-27 22:55 <smxy> they*
2017-06-27 23:31 -!- IgorVorotiloff(~GuyCharle@unaffiliated/igorvorotiloff) has left #opensim-dev
2017-06-27 23:31 <smxy> Lovely. Someone just informed me that Malwarebytes Anti-Malware is listing my grid's address as "malicious".
2017-06-28 00:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #5694 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-28 00:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5694: FAILURE in 7 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5694/
2017-06-28 00:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: BUG FIX: change lludp hovertext utf-8 cut point. Thx djphil
2017-06-28 00:40 <djphil> Ho tank's for honors :)
2017-06-28 01:09 <Ubit> oops fail ?
2017-06-28 01:10 <Ubit> ok jenkis wait a bit
2017-06-28 01:10 <djphil> ha no i understand lol
2017-06-28 01:10 <djphil> wait wait
2017-06-28 01:10 <Ubit> jenkis things
2017-06-28 01:10 <djphil> but what !!!
2017-06-28 01:11 <Ubit> Test Result (no failures) ok
2017-06-28 01:11 <Ubit> let see console
2017-06-28 01:11 <Ubit> well later
2017-06-28 01:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #5695 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5693 1 day 0 hr ago)
2017-06-28 01:13 <Ubit> it did compile for you ?
2017-06-28 01:14 <djphil> yes
2017-06-28 01:14 <djphil> a lot of warrnings but yes
2017-06-28 01:18 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2017-06-28 01:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5695: FIXED in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5695/
2017-06-28 01:18 <Ubit> ohh
2017-06-28 01:18 <Ubit> again
2017-06-28 01:19 <Ubit> hmm who kicked jenkins? plugh neb?
2017-06-28 01:19 <Plugh> not me
2017-06-28 01:19 <testdev> Ubit you free for a quick question?
2017-06-28 01:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #5696 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2017-06-28 01:21 <Ubit> errr its osGet... grrr
2017-06-28 01:21 <Ubit> me and my commits messages.. grrr
2017-06-28 01:21 <djphil> yeaphaaa :)
2017-06-28 01:21 <Ubit> err and bug ???
2017-06-28 01:21 <Ubit> buaaaaaa
2017-06-28 01:22 <Ubit> jenkis fault.. i was distracted
2017-06-28 01:22 <testdev> need help submitting a bug?
2017-06-28 01:22 <Ubit> say testdev
2017-06-28 01:22 <testdev> so this was a partial fix
2017-06-28 01:22 <testdev> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8163
2017-06-28 01:23 <Ubit> ?
2017-06-28 01:23 <testdev> but it fails because the sequence does not exist and needs to be created first
2017-06-28 01:23 <testdev> sequence name is estate_settings_id
2017-06-28 01:23 <Ubit> i know nothing about pgsql
2017-06-28 01:23 <Ubit> cant you add a note on that mantis telling the issue?
2017-06-28 01:24 <testdev> yes
2017-06-28 01:24 <Ubit> gavin did made that code
2017-06-28 01:24 <Ubit> so better he sees it
2017-06-28 01:25 <testdev> there are two other sequences that might also need to be created
2017-06-28 01:25 <Ubit> ok tell about it
2017-06-28 01:25 <Ubit> plz
2017-06-28 01:25 <testdev> i need to create an account first
2017-06-28 01:25 <Ubit> ok
2017-06-28 01:25 <testdev> will get to it shortly
2017-06-28 01:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5696: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5696/
2017-06-28 01:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: put back getAgentIP  bug restricted, script owner must be a Administrator (god)
2017-06-28 01:27 <Ubit> " bug restricted" ufff
2017-06-28 01:36 <Plugh> wow. mono is up to 4.8
2017-06-28 01:36 <nebadon> its up to 5.2 actually
2017-06-28 01:37 <Plugh> Must be in a different mono repo.
2017-06-28 01:37 <nebadon> i always compile from tarball myself
2017-06-28 01:37 <Plugh> Oh. There is 5.4 and 5.7 mentioned
2017-06-28 01:38 <Plugh> I was trying mono 4.4 and getting two errors running Robust
2017-06-28 01:39 <Plugh> Got a bad hardware address length for an AF_PACKET 16 8
2017-06-28 01:39 <Plugh> That is after a message about No appender for Console
2017-06-28 01:45 <Plugh> I'm thinking mono 4.4 is another bad version to use with OS
2017-06-28 01:46 <Plugh> I'm reading that the bad hardware address got fixed in mono 4.5.5
2017-06-28 01:50 <Plugh> 
ACTION starts building mono 4.3.2 (based on mel using it).

2017-06-28 01:54 <smxy> I use whatever nebadon has blessed, generally.
2017-06-28 01:55 <nebadon> if you are on master head then just about any mono is fine
2017-06-28 01:55 <nebadon> if your running older or 0.8.2 dev then i suggest no going past 4.0.4
2017-06-28 01:56 <smxy> I'm running dev master head from last October, but will get current sometime next week.
2017-06-28 01:56 <Plugh> I'm using 0.8.2
2017-06-28 01:56 <Plugh> Not past 4.0.4?  :P
2017-06-28 01:57 <Plugh> I'll have to wind up bootstrapping the mono build by going back to 2.x before I can build 3.2.8
2017-06-28 01:58 <smxy> Well, I just set up my first Percona XtraDB Cluster. :)
2017-06-28 01:59 <nebadon> what operating system Plugh?
2017-06-28 02:00 <Ubit> ( plugh zxspectrum 0,82Beta )
2017-06-28 02:00 <Ubit> 
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2017-06-28 02:01 <Plugh> centos 7.3
2017-06-28 02:02 <Plugh> Ubit:  :)
2017-06-28 02:02 <Ubit> :)
2017-06-28 02:02 <Plugh> That would beat nebadon's running it on a Pi. 
2017-06-28 02:02 <Ubit> possible :)
2017-06-28 02:03 <Ubit> actually think ppl made z80s on fpgas running at 400MHz or more
2017-06-28 02:03 <smxy> I'm running that. I followed nebadon's instructions (which include installing various prerquisite packages) and simply built the Mono version I wanted.
2017-06-28 02:03 <Plugh> Ubit, wouldn't be surprised. The Z80 was a nice chip
2017-06-28 02:03 <smxy> No bootstrapping of Mono needed.
2017-06-28 02:03 <Ubit> yeap
2017-06-28 02:03 <Plugh> smxy: There is a mono 3.2.8 already available for centos 7?
2017-06-28 02:04 <smxy> No idea. :)
2017-06-28 02:04 <Ubit> ohh i may stil have a source of one on verilog
2017-06-28 02:04 <Plugh> Newer mono can't build an older version
2017-06-28 02:04 <Plugh> Ubit, there is probably one on the opencores website
2017-06-28 02:04 <smxy> Why would you want to go back to 3?
2017-06-28 02:04 <Ubit> possible its where i got that one
2017-06-28 02:05 <Plugh> smxy: It is one of the last ones I felt was safe. Too many issues with 4.x so I try and avoid the early 4 series
2017-06-28 02:06 <smxy> Well, then you can figure out how to build it. :) I built mine without even having any Mono installed, as the Mono sources are able to bootstrap themselves now.
2017-06-28 02:07 <smxy> CentOS 7 does offer 4.2.4 it seems.
2017-06-28 02:07 <Plugh> If you try and build mono 3.x it will tell you it needs the mcs.exe from a previous version so you need to build that version which may also say it needs an earlier version.
2017-06-28 02:07 <Plugh> I wind up building a 2. something in order to use that as the starting point.
2017-06-28 02:07 <smxy> Yeah. I haven't had to do that in years, once the builds could bootstrap themselves.
2017-06-28 02:08 <Plugh> centos7 has mono 4.2 which may (or may not) let me build 4.0.4
2017-06-28 02:08 <smxy> Well, it's past time to feed the cats. TTFN :)
2017-06-28 02:09 <Plugh> They haven't come around you meowing at you for food?
2017-06-28 02:09 <smxy> Yes, I just said it had 4.2.4 :)
2017-06-28 02:09 <Plugh> 4.2 might not be able to build 4.0
2017-06-28 02:11 <Plugh> hm... I see mono-4.0.0-branch but no 4.0.4
2017-06-28 02:15 <nebadon> what is the base mono that is in the standard repo?
2017-06-28 02:17 <Plugh> 4.2
2017-06-28 02:17 <Plugh> I have the mono source tree cloned and have built a couple of versions already.
2017-06-28 02:18 <Plugh> hm... latest in 3.x series is 3.8.0
2017-06-28 02:18 <Plugh> nebadon: did you build 4.0.4 yourself?
2017-06-28 02:18 <nebadon> almost always
2017-06-28 02:19 <Plugh> what branch is that in? There is no 4.0.4 listed in the mono source tree
2017-06-28 02:19 <nebadon> https://download.mono-project.com/sources/mono/mono-4.0.4.1.tar.bz2
2017-06-28 02:19 <nebadon> https://download.mono-project.com/sources/libgdiplus/libgdiplus-3.12.tar.gz
2017-06-28 02:19 <nebadon> these are the files i use to compile it
2017-06-28 02:20 <Plugh> :P Only have libgdiplus 2.10
2017-06-28 02:20 <nebadon> https://www.nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44
2017-06-28 02:21 <Plugh> It gets so confusing trying to figure out which version(s) of mono is/are safe to use with which versions of OS.
2017-06-28 02:22 <nebadon> well from my expereince nothing past 4.0.4 works well with 0.8.2
2017-06-28 02:22 <Plugh> 
ACTION thinks someone needs to make a wiki page

2017-06-28 02:22 <Ubit> that reminds me linux kernel/gcc :)
2017-06-28 02:22 <nebadon> and master git any mono works fine
2017-06-28 02:23 <nebadon> however there may still be dns issues with newer monos
2017-06-28 02:23 <nebadon> in a production environment with stock opensim
2017-06-28 02:23 <nebadon> i would suggest 4.0.4 100%
2017-06-28 02:23 <nebadon> this is what Encitra runs
2017-06-28 02:23 <Ubit> well my last fight with dns was actually google dns issues
2017-06-28 02:23 <nebadon> we have uptimes in measured in the 500+ days
2017-06-28 02:23 <Ubit> and worse  ubuntu sys== resolver
2017-06-28 02:24 <nebadon> our robust server was up for 563 days before i restarted it
2017-06-28 02:24 <Ubit> i did called bad names to mono and it wasn't it
2017-06-28 02:24 <Ubit> kiiled that resolver and changed to another public dns.. and things a lot beter
2017-06-28 02:28 <Plugh> 4.2 is compiling 4.0
2017-06-28 02:29 <Plugh> always amazing to see how many warnings there are when building mono
2017-06-28 02:31 <Plugh> mono 4.0.4 is installed.
2017-06-28 02:34 <Plugh> I'm still getting -> No appender named Console found (see the log4net config file for this executable)!
2017-06-28 02:34 <Plugh> Got a bad hardware address length for an AF_PACKET 16 8
2017-06-28 02:34 <Plugh> :P
2017-06-28 02:34 <Plugh> Perhaps I need to rebuild Robust and OS with mono 4.0.4
2017-06-28 02:35 <smxy> I'm glad to hear it wasn't so painful to get your 4.0.4 built. :)
2017-06-28 02:35 <Plugh> yea, same here.
2017-06-28 02:35 <Plugh> Seems the 4.x series is better about building different versions. Not so much with versions < 4
2017-06-28 02:37 <smxy> Ubit, you found a better public DNS than Google's (and what was wrong with theirs)?
2017-06-28 02:37 <nebadon> oh hrmm
2017-06-28 02:37 <nebadon> i sort of remember that error
2017-06-28 02:37 <nebadon> but cant remember how to fix it now
2017-06-28 02:37 <nebadon> it an environment thing probably
2017-06-28 02:37 <Ubit> guess ppl like to ddos google
2017-06-28 02:37 <Plugh> nebadon: btw, I didn't need the newer libgdiplus you pointed me to but I have it on my machine in case.
2017-06-28 02:38 <nebadon> yea its always good to pair as close as possibe
2017-06-28 02:39 <Ubit> opendns smxy
2017-06-28 02:39 <Plugh> Nope. Still get those same two error messages. :P
2017-06-28 02:40 <smxy> The newest I could find on the mono site was libgdiplus 4.2 and Mono 5.2.0.175, when I built a week or two ago.
2017-06-28 02:40 <Plugh> I can ignore it for now. Robust is running
2017-06-28 02:40 <nebadon> you have bash variables and all set like in my instructions?
2017-06-28 02:41 <Plugh> I have the mono threads and gc env vars set
2017-06-28 02:41 <nebadon> ok hmm
2017-06-28 02:41 <nebadon> i know ive seen that message before
2017-06-28 02:41 <nebadon> but i cant remember what it was now
2017-06-28 02:41 <smxy> nebadon: Is there a newer libgdiplus than that? If so, where do I find it?
2017-06-28 02:41 <Plugh> I'm not sure if it is familiar to me or not. Its been a while.
2017-06-28 02:42 <Plugh> I've been doing net searches but still no joy on answers to the problems.
2017-06-28 02:42 <nebadon> smxy not for 4.0.4
2017-06-28 02:42 <nebadon> the next newest version was 4.2
2017-06-28 02:42 <nebadon> i suppose it will work
2017-06-28 02:42 <nebadon> however its always better to pair the closer versions i have found
2017-06-28 02:42 <smxy> no, I meant period - as in what the latest possible version was. All I could find was the 4.2
2017-06-28 02:42 <nebadon> yea 4.2 is latest
2017-06-28 02:43 <smxy> ok
2017-06-28 02:43 <smxy> they used to be paired
2017-06-28 02:43 <nebadon> yea libgdiplus is not nearly as complex as mono
2017-06-28 02:43 <Plugh> Robust isn't creating a log file or outputting anything to the console.
2017-06-28 02:43 <nebadon> so it doesnt need to advance as often
2017-06-28 02:44 <smxy> yeah, it's a couple of years old, now
2017-06-28 02:46 <Plugh> I expect I'll see those same two error messages when I get OpenSim.exe running.
2017-06-28 02:47 <Ubit> what is the error again?
2017-06-28 02:48 <Plugh> scroll up. :)  
2017-06-28 02:48 <Ubit> i did :p
2017-06-28 02:48 <Plugh> I've logged out of the machine I was working on
2017-06-28 02:48 <Plugh> (10:34:32 PM) Plugh: I'm still getting -> No appender named Console found (see the log4net config file for this executable)!
2017-06-28 02:48 <Plugh> (10:34:32 PM) Plugh: Got a bad hardware address length for an AF_PACKET 16 8
2017-06-28 02:49 <Plugh> The first one means no output to the console or a log file
2017-06-28 02:49 <Ubit> yr not alone on that error it seems
2017-06-28 02:49 <Plugh> yea, but I haven't seen a solution for it yet.
2017-06-28 02:50 <Plugh> You should have seen the strange things I saw when trying to figure out why screen wasn't working for non-root users. I remembered my very simple solution after a while.
2017-06-28 02:50 <nebadon> I really do not like CentOS
2017-06-28 02:50 <Plugh> One crazy solution was to modify a mount line in /etc/fstab.
2017-06-28 02:50 <nebadon> was that only option?
2017-06-28 02:50 <Plugh> There were a ton of operating system options.
2017-06-28 02:51 <Plugh> I could have use one of several versions of Fedora, or Ubuntu.
2017-06-28 02:52 <nebadon> yea id go Debian or Ubuntu before i chose centos myself
2017-06-28 02:52 <nebadon> those enterprise linux are pain in the ass
2017-06-28 02:52 <nebadon> like Redhat
2017-06-28 02:52 <nebadon> uhg
2017-06-28 02:52 <nebadon> hate it
2017-06-28 02:53 <nebadon> spend 50% of your time googling for solutions to stupid problems
2017-06-28 02:54 <Plugh> It is partly one of the reasons I document the heck out of setting up new servers so I have a record of what needed to be done, include sometimes, those stupid little gotchas.
2017-06-28 02:55 <Plugh> I'm near the end of page 3 for setting up this new server and I'm not done yet.
2017-06-28 02:56 <Plugh> I'm not detailing the setup of OS as much. That's the "easy" stuff.
2017-06-28 02:56 <smxy> As a counter-point to nebadon's experience, I've been using Red Hat Linux since the very early '90s, and have never really ever had any problems with it.
2017-06-28 02:56 <nebadon> well its just a matter of preference
2017-06-28 02:56 <nebadon> im mostly speaking in terms of opensim too
2017-06-28 02:57 <smxy> Including the 8 years I've run my grid. :)
2017-06-28 02:57 <nebadon> i wouldnt have a problem using redhat for webserver or database or something
2017-06-28 02:57 <nebadon> but opensim, blah
2017-06-28 02:57 <nebadon> i mostly use opensuse and debian
2017-06-28 02:57 <nebadon> at one point i really hated debian too
2017-06-28 02:57 <nebadon> but lately im liking it more and more
2017-06-28 02:58 <nebadon> its very nice
2017-06-28 02:58 <Plugh> After Yggdrasil, Slackware, and Slackware 96, I used RedHat until about 4.2, then switched to Fedora up to about 8, then Ubuntu, now Mint.
2017-06-28 02:58 <nebadon> Fedora isnt bad
2017-06-28 02:58 <nebadon> but they change to often for me
2017-06-28 02:58 <smxy> Fedora is Red Hat. :)
2017-06-28 02:58 <nebadon> well not really
2017-06-28 02:58 <Plugh> I've been dealing with two other machine using centos but they were centos 6
2017-06-28 02:58 <nebadon> start from scratch on redhat and fedora
2017-06-28 02:58 <nebadon> you will experience wildly different things
2017-06-28 02:59 <Plugh> Fedora did something in 9 that I didn't like which pushed me to Ubuntu.
2017-06-28 02:59 <nebadon> I havent used fedora in a while though
2017-06-28 02:59 <smxy> Fedora is where they try all the crazy shit that might wind up in Red Hat.
2017-06-28 02:59 <nebadon> yea
2017-06-28 02:59 <Plugh> yup
2017-06-28 02:59 <nebadon> fedora changes soo much from version to version
2017-06-28 03:00 <smxy> BTW, setting up the Percona XtraDB Cluster was pretty easy except for one gotch that I figured out fairly quickly.
2017-06-28 03:00 <nebadon> opensuse has similar thing going with Tumbleweed and Leap
2017-06-28 03:00 <nebadon> but tumbleweed seems quite stable
2017-06-28 03:01 <nebadon> even though its like crazy bleeding edge
2017-06-28 03:01 <Ubit> plugh pushed the wrong button ?
2017-06-28 03:01 <Ubit> :)
2017-06-28 03:01 <nebadon> this machine im typing on runs tumbleweed
2017-06-28 03:01 <nebadon> cheapo dell laptop i got
2017-06-28 03:01 <nebadon> Inspiron 15 5566
2017-06-28 03:01 <smxy> I'm typing in mIRC on a Win10 VM on my iMac. :p
2017-06-28 03:01 <Plugh> sort of. I asked for a channel list then click the sort channel list button before the list was fully loaded. It locks up Pidgin everytime
2017-06-28 03:01 <nebadon> i slapped 16gb ram and insanely fast SSD from my dead Asus ROG 750
2017-06-28 03:01 <nebadon> eeew
2017-06-28 03:02 <nebadon> miRC!!!
2017-06-28 03:02 <nebadon> switch to hexchat
2017-06-28 03:02 <Ubit> im using mirc also :)
2017-06-28 03:02 <nebadon> eeeew
2017-06-28 03:02 <nebadon> 
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2017-06-28 03:02 <Plugh> I used Pidgin because it supported more than just IRC. One program, multiple protocols.
2017-06-28 03:02 <smxy> hehehe
2017-06-28 03:02 <Plugh> Not a big deal any more. I only use IRC. The other IM systems are pretty much dead, other than Skype.
2017-06-28 03:03 <smxy> OMG, I have to use Skype for Business at work, and it's the biggest piece of shit I've ever seen.
2017-06-28 03:03 <nebadon> skype has gone so down hill
2017-06-28 03:03 <Plugh> 
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2017-06-28 03:04 <smxy> Of course. Microsoft bought it.
2017-06-28 03:04 <nebadon> i use it too though
2017-06-28 03:04 <Plugh> It works for me. I needed to use it to keep in touch with some grid runners.
2017-06-28 03:04 <nebadon> honestly there isnt much better
2017-06-28 03:04 <nebadon> Discord is ok, but no phone
2017-06-28 03:04 <nebadon> we use it at encitra becuase we can conference call and join people on regular phones
2017-06-28 03:04 <smxy> The one for consumers isn't too bad. But the business version sucks big time.
2017-06-28 03:04 <nebadon> yea
2017-06-28 03:04 <Plugh> Its nice that Skype For Linux is finally underway. Skype under Linux is finally getting to catch up with the Windows version.
2017-06-28 03:04 <nebadon> i wouldnt ever pay for it hehe
2017-06-28 03:04 <nebadon> yea skype linux is good
2017-06-28 03:04 <nebadon> actually right now
2017-06-28 03:05 <nebadon> the Android skype seems to be most developed
2017-06-28 03:05 <Plugh> Only thing I can't figure out is how to get the event list in Skype For Linux
2017-06-28 03:05 <nebadon> new version is very different now
2017-06-28 03:06 <Plugh> Nuts. I lost those two error messages. I'll need to relog in to the machine to get them again.
2017-06-28 03:06 <Plugh> I just joined a #centos channel so I can ask them how to solve the errors.
2017-06-28 03:25 <osmantis> Bug #8200:04 PGSQL EstateStore.migrations does not create estate_settings_id SEQUENCE and will prevent OpenSim from completing first run 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8200 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-06-28 03:30 <Plugh> oh,well. I'll just have to go ahead and configure OS tomorrow and deal with lag of log file later.
2017-06-28 03:30 <Plugh> s/lag/lack/
2017-06-28 03:32 <Ubit> well going to sleep also
2017-06-28 03:39 <Plugh> I tried commenting out the Console references in Robust.exe.config and it still complains there is no Console appender  :P\
2017-06-28 03:43 <nebadon> im wondering if you are missing some kind of prereq for mono compile
2017-06-28 03:43 <nebadon> did you get same errors i wonder using the stock repo mono?
2017-06-28 03:44 <nebadon> you said you saw a lot of errors/warnings
2017-06-28 03:44 <smxy> I was just wondering that myself.
2017-06-28 03:46 <Plugh> Its standard fair when building mono
2017-06-28 03:47 <Plugh> Just lots of warnings. Errors would have aborted the build
2017-06-28 03:48 <smxy> You might not have everything needed for *running* Mono.
2017-06-28 03:49 <Plugh> Same problem with mono 4.2.4 which came with distro
2017-06-28 03:50 <Plugh> Robust is running
2017-06-28 03:51 <smxy> Plugh, in case you find it useful, this is the RPM list on my 7.3: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16941610/rpms
2017-06-28 03:52 <smxy> It's sorted.
2017-06-28 03:52 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2017-06-28 03:53 <Plugh> Twilight Zone is about to start in a few minutes. I've wasted enough time with these two problems for tonight.
2017-06-28 11:18 <osmantis> Bug #8201:04 [NEIGHBOUR SERVICES CONNECTOR]: Exception on reply of DoHelloNeighbourCall. An existing connection was forcibly closed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8201 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-06-28 11:20 <osmantis> Bug #8201:04 [NEIGHBOUR SERVICES CONNECTOR]: Exception on reply of DoHelloNeighbourCall. An existing connection was forcibly closed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8201 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-06-28 12:05 <osmantis> Bug #8202:04 Edit object to edit contents i.e. scripts does not load or loads after LONG waiting time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8202 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-06-28 12:06 <osmantis> Bug #8202:04 Edit object to edit contents i.e. scripts does not load or loads after LONG waiting time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8202 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-28 12:09 <osmantis> Bug #8202:04 Edit object to edit contents i.e. scripts does not load or loads after LONG waiting time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8202 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-06-28 14:46 <Plugh> grr...
2017-06-28 14:47 <Plugh> The "No appender" and "bad hardware address length" messages appear no matter what version of mono I'm using. I get the same ones in mono 3.2.8
2017-06-28 16:26 <smxy> Ubit: Continuous TP still going strong. Quite pleased, so far.
2017-06-28 16:28 <smxy> Going on three days now.
2017-06-28 19:19 <Plugh> Oh, well *eff me*!!
2017-06-28 19:20 <Plugh> 
ACTION smacks himself in the head

2017-06-28 19:20 <Plugh> Finally figured out the problem.
2017-06-28 19:20 <nebadon> whats up
2017-06-28 19:20 <nebadon> cool what was it?
2017-06-28 19:20 <Plugh> I'm using shell scripts to control startup/shutdown of the programs run by mono. I copied them from another machine where I was using them. I had modified one part of the script but I forgot I put the config files in a different directory so software updates would never clobber the config.
2017-06-28 19:20 <Plugh> I forgot to set up that directory on the new server.  :P
2017-06-28 19:20 <nebadon> ah ya
2017-06-28 19:20 <Plugh> 
ACTION sighs

2017-06-28 19:21 <nebadon> you are still getting that other error though?
2017-06-28 19:21 <Plugh> I think both issues are solved now. I'm going to check the log file (which I should now have).
2017-06-28 19:22 <nebadon> nice
2017-06-28 19:24 <Plugh> Now I just need to modify the shell scripts and/or the log4net .config files to make sure the .log files go in to the right directories.
2017-06-28 19:24 <Plugh> man. I wasted a few hours on this stupid problem.
2017-06-28 19:24 <smxy> I generally like it when issues are self-caused, because once identified, they're generally easy to fix. :)
2017-06-28 19:25 <Plugh> The scripts were set up for someone else who runs a small grid. It was unpaid work so I never documented the setup. I'm now doing paid work so I'm documenting things.
2017-06-28 19:25 <Plugh> smxy: Yes, same here.
2017-06-28 19:25 <smxy> Well, your first mistake was doing unpaid work. Your second mistake wasn't documenting it, regardless. :)
2017-06-28 19:26 <nebadon> if you never do unpaid work you never truly learn :)
2017-06-28 19:26 <smxy> I prefer to have people pay me to learn. :)
2017-06-28 19:26 <Plugh> well, the person did give me some money a few times. It is someone I have known for years otherwise I wouldn't have done it.
2017-06-28 19:27 <Plugh> One of the last OS things I need to work out is how to get OS to read a file with all the custom grid settings after all other standard files are read.
2017-06-28 19:28 <Plugh> Using an include may work but I have to figure out which file is read last so I can be sure to put the include to my file in the right place.
2017-06-28 19:30 <smxy> Start a region. It'll log what files and in what order.
2017-06-28 19:32 <Plugh> I mostly know the order. What I understand is that Includes are added to a queue instead of being processed right away. That means if I add an include to the end of OpenSim.ini it will be read after the file specified by the Include in [Architecture].
2017-06-28 19:38 <Plugh> When it processes the Include queue it would read the Architecture include which would queue other files that would be read after it reads my custom config file.
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2017-06-28 21:45 <osmantis> Bug #8202:04 Edit object to edit contents i.e. scripts does not load or loads after LONG waiting time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8202 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-06-28 23:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #5697 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-28 23:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5697: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5697/
2017-06-28 23:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: bug fix
2017-06-29 01:07 <nebadon> b
2017-06-29 01:08 <Ubit> c
2017-06-29 03:03 <smxy> "bug fix' is about the most useless commit message I've seen. It tells virtually nothing about what was fixed or why. Don't be lazy. Geez.
2017-06-29 11:50 <osmantis> Bug #8203:04 [SCENE OBJECT GROUP]: SavedScriptState element had no UUID in object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8203 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-06-29 11:53 <osmantis> Bug #8203:04 [SCENE OBJECT GROUP]: SavedScriptState element had no UUID in object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8203 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-06-29 11:53 <osmantis> Bug #8203:04 [SCENE OBJECT GROUP]: SavedScriptState element had no UUID in object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8203 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-06-29 11:54 <osmantis> Bug #8203:04 [SCENE OBJECT GROUP]: SavedScriptState element had no UUID in object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8203 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-06-29 12:18 <testdev627> question about creatorid?
2017-06-29 15:28 <Plugh> If I use -inidirectory to point to a dir containing ini files are those files read *after* the normal reading and processing of OpenSimDefaults.ini, OpenSim.ini, and any includes in those files?
2017-06-29 15:39 <ssm2017> hello Plugh. as i could see, the order of ini loading is : OpenSimDefaults.ini --> OpenSim.ini --> addon modules inis --> GridHypergrid.ini --> GridCommon.ini --> FlotsamCache.ini (as said in the first lines of the console log when OpenSim.exe starts)
2017-06-29 15:41 <ssm2017> on my side, i have created a file "addons-modules/francogrid/config/francogrid.ini" to set common simulators parameters (even if no module called francogrid exists)
2017-06-29 15:42 <ssm2017> on your side, you can maybe test to create a *.ini file in the directory you call with -inidirectory and then see at the begin of the OpenSim.exe log if they are read and when
2017-06-29 15:44 <Plugh> ah, yes. The log file does show what files were read and the order of them.
2017-06-29 15:47 <Plugh> ssm2017: Did you use an include to pick up the ini in the config dir?
2017-06-29 15:47 <Plugh> I'm trying to work out the best way to have a set of common settings and some instance specific settings in a way so that code updates won't clobber any of the ini files.
2017-06-29 15:48 <Plugh> Using -inidirectory would be good for instance specific settings.
2017-06-29 15:51 <Plugh> ssm2017: Using addons-modules may be a good way to go for the common settings.
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2017-06-29 16:43 <smxy> Ubit: Coming up on 279 thousand TPs in my "continuously TP around the region" test, without a hiccup. :)
2017-06-29 16:44 <smxy> Actually that should be 270 thousand, and "continuously TP around the region, as fast as possible"
2017-06-29 17:01 <testdev627> can anyone help with creatorid question?
2017-06-29 17:42 <smxy> It's best to just post your question(s), then hang around until someone answers, which might be an hour, a day, or a week.
2017-06-29 17:42 <testdev627> thanks smxy
2017-06-29 17:45 <testdev627> it appears the creatorid will be truncated to 36 instead of 128 in the posgresql version of the asset table. Not sure if this is a bug or a design change. If anyone knows please let me know.
2017-06-29 17:48 <Plugh> Postgresql support doesn't get as much attention as MySQL support. It is possible that the PG table is out of sync with what it is for MySQL users.
2017-06-29 17:51 <testdev627> from looking at the code it appears a change should occur - however the asset table can be large and this might cause db size issues for existing deployments - so a notification of a change would be important.
2017-06-29 17:54 <smxy> Gavin (someone) added the Postgresql support. Perhaps talking to him might be useful.
2017-06-29 17:54 <smxy> Do you know who I'm referring to, Plugh?
2017-06-29 17:54 <Plugh> sorry. I'm also chatting with someone about the grid I'm setting up.
2017-06-29 17:55 <testdev627> does Gavin hang out here?
2017-06-29 17:55 <Plugh> Oh, Gavin. Yes, he has been at the weekly meetings in osgrid.
2017-06-29 17:56 <testdev627> does he go by the irc nick gavin or something else?
2017-06-29 17:56 <Plugh> I don't know.
2017-06-29 17:57 <smxy> Nor do I. You could try attending the meetings Plugh just mentioned.
2017-06-29 17:57 <Plugh> oh. creatorid in the asset table. 
2017-06-29 17:57 <smxy> They are every Tuesday at 2:00 PM Easter, I believe.
2017-06-29 17:57 <smxy> Eastern*
2017-06-29 17:57 <testdev627> where?
2017-06-29 17:58 <Plugh> Um... yea, it won't be changed. We usually try avoiding doing DB changes to the asset table as it can take a long time to do the migration for grids with large asset tables.
2017-06-29 17:58 <smxy> Witght Plaza, OSgrid.
2017-06-29 17:58 <smxy> Wright*
2017-06-29 17:58 <Plugh> In the region called "projet secret"
2017-06-29 17:58 <smxy> Oh, you moved it? Ok
2017-06-29 17:58 <Plugh> smxy: You haven't been to a meeting in a while. The location was changed. Ubit didn't like the lag at Wright Plaza.
2017-06-29 17:58 <smxy> Ok
2017-06-29 17:58 <Plugh> I can't say I noticed much lag there but he did.
2017-06-29 17:59 <smxy> is projet or project
2017-06-29 17:59 <Plugh> or so he says.
2017-06-29 17:59 <testdev627> do you happen to know if a load of an IAR or an OAR will bring in the creatorid if it does not currently exist in the asset table?
2017-06-29 17:59 <Plugh> no "c". It is in French.
2017-06-29 17:59 <smxy> Ah
2017-06-29 18:01 <Plugh> hm... If you are loading an OAR where the assets don't already exist in the assets table the owner gets assigned to the person doing the upload, IIRC.
2017-06-29 18:01 <Plugh> Someone else may correct me if I have that wrong. I haven't looked at the details of OAR/IAR loading.
2017-06-29 18:02 <testdev627> so the person who loads in that case become the creator of the asset?
2017-06-29 18:05 <testdev627> it would appear that creatorids that are urls may truncate the creator's name if it is comes in without an OAR or IAR load - since many urls exceed 36 characters
2017-06-29 18:08 <testdev627> also many creatorids are guids which explains the 36 size - has a decision been made to only support guid creatorids going forward to reduce the size of the asset table?
2017-06-29 18:09 <Plugh> What is the situation you are wondering about? Someone entering a grid via an HG TP then creating assets locally in the new grid?
2017-06-29 18:11 <Plugh> testdev627: It has been a while since I looked at the details of OAR/IAR. IIRC the file may contain the creator information. I think I have an OAR open on my machine. I can have a look at it.
2017-06-29 18:13 <testdev627> at this point I am not sure if there is a need to be worried - but looking at the data the creatorid is many times not a guid, but a url like http://hg.ogrid.org:8002/user;john doe
2017-06-29 18:14 <testdev627> so if the backend system is postresql - there will currently be truncation of this information to the first 36 characters
2017-06-29 18:15 <testdev627> if there is a restore from an oar and the creatorid is in there - it will be truncated too
2017-06-29 18:16 <testdev627> because I am just starting out I can simply increase the size to 128 in my postgresql to preserve the full creator id
2017-06-29 18:16 <Plugh> ok, it is an out of sync issue. I just checked a MySQL asset table and CreatorID is varchar(128)
2017-06-29 18:16 <testdev627> however - i was not sure if this was happening as a design change
2017-06-29 18:18 <testdev627> there are also cases where it is guid followed by a url
2017-06-29 18:19 <testdev627> so I am just finding my feet in this new project trying to get a sense of why there are differences - perhaps a legacy issue?
2017-06-29 18:24 <Plugh> Postgresql isn't used as much with Open Simulator so changes in tables as used in MySQL don't always make their way to PG.
2017-06-29 18:24 <Plugh> I think you have found one of those instances.
2017-06-29 18:27 <testdev627> these are easy things to resolve - replace 36 with 128 in the AssetSore.migration file under the appropriate VERSION - however if it is a design change I don't want to distract by submitting a bug on mantis
2017-06-29 18:28 <testdev627> aside from minor issue Postgresql is awesome with OpenSimulator
2017-06-29 18:32 <Plugh> ssm2017: I'm still not sure what I'm doing is going to work. How do you get OS to read the OSD.ini and all the other standard INI files before your custom changes? Do you copy ini.example files to .ini in the directory where the OS code is located then have the custom changes in addon-modules?
2017-06-29 18:33 <Plugh> It would be so much simpler if Nini did "the right thing" and merged duplicate sections instead of replacing an older one with a newer one.
2017-06-29 18:34 <Plugh> I have the problem everytime I set up a new grid as I keep trying to find a better way to do the setup and handle code updates so it won't clobber ini settings.
2017-06-29 18:37 <Plugh> If I use any includes in my common settings file the included file may wipe out my custom changes
2017-06-29 18:41 <Ubit> why not include a file with local settings ?
2017-06-29 18:42 <Ubit> do it last.. it will override other settings
2017-06-29 18:42 <Ubit> if i remember
2017-06-29 18:45 <Plugh> The only way that will work is if I determine which file is loaded last and add my include there so my include file is queued as the last file to be read.
2017-06-29 18:46 <Ubit> last is opensim.ini
2017-06-29 18:46 <Ubit> that does include the others
2017-06-29 18:47 <Ubit> look to arch section for example 
2017-06-29 18:48 <Ubit> and regions.ini are outside this chain
2017-06-29 18:48 <Plugh> No. OpenSim.ini is second file loaded. It has two includes which get processed next.
2017-06-29 18:48 <Ubit> i said last not first
2017-06-29 18:49 <Ubit> obvius defaults is first
2017-06-29 18:49 <Ubit> opensim.ini already makes use ob overide or parameters on same cases
2017-06-29 18:50 <testdev627> Plugh - I am going to post that creatorid size issue as a bug since it does conflict with the schema - if you talk to Gavin - let him know I would be happy to discuss further - thanks
2017-06-29 18:50 <Ubit> and then includes othres files
2017-06-29 18:50 <Ubit> testdev627 on i asked you to add isse to mantis, was on the same entry where gavin added the code
2017-06-29 18:51 <Plugh> Ubit, files are not processed the moment it hits the include statement. it only queues the named file.
2017-06-29 18:51 <Ubit> that increases odds of him getting a email notification
2017-06-29 18:52 <testdev627> hi Ubit - I did add it a few days ago to http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8200 - I have now found another issue
2017-06-29 18:53 <Ubit> yeap u created a new entry.. no prob
2017-06-29 19:06 <osmantis> Bug #8204:04 PGSQL need to replace 36 with 128 in the AssetSore.migration file under the appropriate VERSION for the creatorid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8204 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-06-29 19:08 <Plugh> It isn't replacing the value. It will be adding a new migration step. Gavin will know that.
2017-06-29 19:08 <testdev627> Plugh &  Ubit - the creatorid size bug has been reported under http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8204 - please bring it to Gavin's attention if you think that makes sense - thanks!
2017-06-29 19:09 <Plugh> testdev627: that's for reporting the problem.
2017-06-29 19:09 <testdev627> you are welcome
2017-06-29 19:10 <Plugh> bah. typo
2017-06-29 19:11 <Plugh> that's -> thanks
2017-06-29 19:11 <Plugh> :P
2017-06-29 19:11 <testdev627> :) - i make typo's all the time
2017-06-29 19:36 <Plugh> I can't get these files reading in the order I want them to be read. I'm giving up for now to take a break.
2017-06-29 19:36 <Plugh>  I think I will just merge the ini files in to one and deal with the duplicate sections like I've done in the past. It's the only way I know to guarantee the order of the settings will be what I want it to be.
2017-06-29 19:37 <Plugh> It is just a pita having to deal with duplicate sections in the ini because of that "feature" in ini that I call a bug.
2017-06-29 19:39 <Ubit> cool you didn't call it a "regression" :p
2017-06-29 19:40 <Plugh> damn typo again
2017-06-29 19:41 <Ubit> hihihihi
2017-06-29 19:41 <Plugh> I can't seem to type properly today.
2017-06-29 19:41 <Ubit> :)
2017-06-29 19:41 <Plugh> That "feature" in Nini that I call a bug.
2017-06-29 19:43 <Ubit> what duplicated sections ?
2017-06-29 19:43 <Plugh> If you copy all ini files in to one there are duplicate [] section
2017-06-29 19:43 <Plugh> well, section headers. The contents differ.
2017-06-29 19:44 <Ubit> well defaults should stay out..
2017-06-29 19:44 <Ubit> that dows that of course
2017-06-29 19:44 <Plugh> when it runs in to the second instance of a section, all settings from the previous one are thrown out.
2017-06-29 19:44 <Ubit> the otther ones.. should not do that
2017-06-29 19:44 <Plugh> There are times that should not be done.
2017-06-29 19:45 <Ubit> unless using the overrife you say does not work :)
2017-06-29 19:46 <Plugh> You don't understand the problem so don't worry about it.
2017-06-29 19:47 <Ubit> ok :)
2017-06-29 19:47 <Plugh> Nini doesn't let you tell it to combine settings. The defaults aren't what you want in some cases of duplicate sections.
2017-06-29 19:51 <Plugh> hm... perhaps I can point to a dir with the ini files and do things that way. 
2017-06-29 19:59 <Ubit> btw you do know Nini does not have include ? that is done by us?
2017-06-29 20:00 <Ubit> and that all files are MERGED  by order ?
2017-06-29 20:03 <Plugh> yes, settings across files get merge. Settings in a single file where the section name repeats are not merged.
2017-06-29 20:04 <Plugh> [Section] a=one; b=two; [Section] c=three  -->  [Section] c=three
2017-06-29 20:04 <Plugh> If [Section] is seen twice in a file it only keeps the last entry
2017-06-29 20:04 <Ubit> yes we are not suposed to have same section in multiple places on same file 
2017-06-29 20:04 <Plugh> the contents of the last time the section is seen. Any settings from earlier are thrown out. There are times you don't want settings from an earlier instance of a section to be thrown out.
2017-06-29 20:05 <Plugh> It complicates things because we can't do that.
2017-06-29 20:05 <Ubit> that happens  either my mistake or bc you jusr pastes several, and you are not supposed to do that
2017-06-29 20:05 <Ubit> pasted..
2017-06-29 20:06 <Ubit> if you do want only one.. yeap.. you need to merge by hand
2017-06-29 20:06 <Plugh> why not? It would make like simpler.
2017-06-29 20:06 <Ubit> well bc nini was not made to do that
2017-06-29 20:06 <Plugh> I wrote my own ini file reader in C# and make it merge properly
2017-06-29 20:06 <Ubit> for some reason
2017-06-29 20:06 <Ubit> ok
2017-06-29 20:07 <Plugh> yea,  it is the "for some reason" I don't know and don't agree with. 
2017-06-29 20:07 <Ubit> guess old windows rules on ini files
2017-06-29 20:07 <Plugh> One solution would be a switch or setting that would let it behave one way or the other. ie. merge or don't when reading a single file.
2017-06-29 20:07 <Plugh> yea, could be. I'm not a Windows guy so I don't know if that was some rule laid down by MS long ago in the annals of history. 
2017-06-29 20:08 <Ubit> and that ms does not use anymore :)
2017-06-29 20:08 <Ubit> well not much
2017-06-29 20:09 <Ubit> that was what windoes 1.0  or even msdos time ?
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2017-06-29 20:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #5698 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-29 20:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5698: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5698/
2017-06-29 20:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ScriptsHttpReq does not need a permanent thread
2017-06-29 20:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #5699 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-29 20:20 <Plugh> hm... I think I've thought of an easier way to do what I want. Put all customized ini files in to a single dir outside the OS bin then make an OS.ini file that does nothing but include the files from that other directory. 
2017-06-29 20:21 <Plugh> I would then have a safe place for the ini files, have ones common to all instances, and guarantee the order they get processed.
2017-06-29 20:22 <Plugh> I would just comment out the include statements in the ini files in that other directory.
2017-06-29 20:23 <Plugh> The rain appears to have stopped so time to take a break.
2017-06-29 20:24 <Ubit> have fun..  carefull with the rain water pools .. same mb deep :)
2017-06-29 20:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5699: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5699/
2017-06-29 20:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix scripts xmlrpc threads names
2017-06-29 20:25 <Ubit> uff specially driving...
2017-06-29 20:25 <Ubit> messed up tires bc of that
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2017-06-29 23:27 <testdev627> When setting up a new user - there is a question about Model name - anyone know the purpose of this?
2017-06-29 23:29 <testdev627> from the code it appears to specify a default starting avatar - is this correct?
2017-06-29 23:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #5700 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-29 23:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5700: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5700/
2017-06-29 23:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update ode.dll (windoes only. need bins for others :( )
2017-06-29 23:43 <Plugh> Ubit, I wasn't driving so no worries about car troubles.
2017-06-29 23:43 <Ubit> :)
2017-06-30 02:04 <Plugh> I thought I had things worked out but I still can't do what I want to do. Too many references in ini files to directories and no way to automatically determine the root directory to be used for an instance.
2017-06-30 02:06 <Ubit> later many where replaced by the CONS thing
2017-06-30 02:06 <Ubit> that is a issue.. bc needs to be at start i guess
2017-06-30 02:09 <Ubit> hmm already on 82
2017-06-30 02:14 <Plugh> yea, I can put some of the things like port address specific to an instance in an ini for the instance. I'll have to do the same thing with the instance root directory.
2017-06-30 02:48 <Plugh> bah! "Input string was not in a correct format" and it doesn't tell me what string. :P
2017-06-30 03:03 <Plugh> Can you only have one Include statement per section?
2017-06-30 03:05 <Plugh> Oh. The Include statements need different strings after Include- and before =
2017-06-30 03:35 <smxy> Plugh, when you figure it all out, we'll have to compare your solution to mine, which I've been using for a few years now. :)
2017-06-30 03:36 <Plugh> I think I've finally got it now. I just have to remember all the different sets of ports which are needed and set the right numbers for them.
2017-06-30 03:52 <Plugh> smxy: Everytime I find myself setting up a new grid I change how I do things. I keep looking for a better solution. The main grid I deal with users a grid administration program which handles most things. I can't use it for what I'm setting up now as it was for that grid only.
2017-06-30 03:53 <Plugh> I think I now have about as clean a solution as I'm likely to find.
2017-06-30 08:59 <osmantis> Bug #8203:04 [SCENE OBJECT GROUP]: SavedScriptState element had no UUID in object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8203 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-06-30 09:34 <osmantis> Bug #8203:04 [SCENE OBJECT GROUP]: SavedScriptState element had no UUID in object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8203 ): has been UPDATED.
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2017-06-30 18:27 <smxy> Question: In the source, under OpenSim\Data\MySQL\Resources, are the migrations files there supposed to represent what the current state of the table should look like? I.e., if I apply the SQL in them, will I have a properly constructed, empty DB, that has the exact structure it should at this point in time?
2017-06-30 18:29 <smxy> I'm setting up a DB cluster and want to create an empty DB with proper empty tables, to load my data into, as I've messed with the structure of the old one over the years.
2017-06-30 18:31 <Plugh> The grid I've been working on is alive!  :)
2017-06-30 18:31 <smxy> I think I'm correct. Just looking for confirmation.
2017-06-30 18:32 <smxy> Cool.
2017-06-30 18:32 <Plugh> smxy: yes, the directory has all the SQL statements need to create and update the database tables.
2017-06-30 18:32 <Plugh> s/need/needed/
2017-06-30 18:33 <smxy> Great. Want to start off with a clean slate, regarding structure, load my data in it, and LATER, mess with the structure if I feel the need.
2017-06-30 18:34 <Plugh> If you have a running grid you could also do a DB export of just the structure.
2017-06-30 18:34 <smxy> It's a small DB, only 45GB.
2017-06-30 18:34 <Plugh> yea, that's small.
2017-06-30 18:34 <smxy> A test dump took an hour.
2017-06-30 18:39 <Plugh> ok
2017-06-30 18:39 <Plugh> How long that takes depends on your machine.
2017-06-30 18:42 <smxy> And various other factors. If that data were spread around many tables, mydumper would have dumped it much faster, by doing tables in parallel. But virtually all of that is in the assets table, so it's dumped with a single thread, instead of many.
2017-06-30 18:43 <Plugh> The assets table is the one that always takes the most time.
2017-06-30 18:43 <Plugh> No way to get around that.
2017-06-30 18:44 <smxy> I have it write that table out in files (chunks) of no larger than 500MB, so on restore, myloader will be able to load it fast, as it will use a thread per chunk.
2017-06-30 18:46 <smxy> Anyway, thanks for confirming that. Lunch is over. Back to work. Starting later today, I'll be on vacation for the next 11 days. :)
2017-06-30 18:47 <smxy> This DB work is one of my planned activities.
2017-06-30 18:56 <Plugh> Not everyones idea of a fun vacation if you will be messing about with stuff on the computer. :)
2017-06-30 19:14 <testdev627> dealing with a DoOnRezScriptQueue failure - it appears the script is not in the dictionary within the call to DoOnRezScript - wondering if this might due to different OpenSim.ini settings from instance that exported the OAR to the one that is loading it - anybody have an idea?
2017-06-30 19:16 <testdev627> I tried toggling the DeleteScriptsOnStartup with no success
2017-06-30 20:10 <smxy_> Plugh: What creates the migrations table? That directory doesn't contain a file to make it.
2017-06-30 20:11 <smxy_> I also need to know what values to populate it with.
2017-06-30 20:11 <Plugh> It is part of the start up process of Robust and/or OpenSim.
2017-06-30 20:11 <Plugh> There is a directory with default assets that get loaded in to the tables.
2017-06-30 20:11 <smxy_> I don't care about those. I'm loading my existing data into these tables.
2017-06-30 20:12 <smxy_> I just need to make and populate the migrations table.
2017-06-30 20:12 <Plugh> The migrations table is populated/updated by the code that processes the migration files.
2017-06-30 20:13 <smxy_> Right. But where is the file with the sql to make it?
2017-06-30 20:14 <smxy_> For the contents, I guess I can just take that from my existing DB too. I just need to know the correct structure for the table.
2017-06-30 20:14 <Plugh> I don't know where that's located. Might be buried in some code somewhere.
2017-06-30 20:15 <smxy_> hmm, okay.
2017-06-30 20:18 <Plugh> The table is created automatically by InitMigrationsTable() located starting at line 118 in the file OpenSim/Data/Migrations.cs
2017-06-30 20:18 <Plugh> ExecuteScript("create table migrations(name varchar(100), version int)");
2017-06-30 20:18 <smxy_> Thanks!
2017-06-30 20:18 <Plugh> It does that if the code discovers the table doesn't exist.
2017-06-30 20:19 <Plugh> yw
2017-06-30 20:19 <smxy_> I also see that my new DB currently has 50 tables in it, while my existing one only has 48, so something's off ...
2017-06-30 20:19 <Plugh> Check for variations in case in the names of the tables.
2017-06-30 20:21 <smxy_> The new DB has these tables that my existing doesn't: ZAssetData, XAssetMeta, fsassets, and logs
2017-06-30 20:21 <Plugh> Anything else? If not I'm going to go out for a walk.
2017-06-30 20:22 <smxy_> XAssetData*
2017-06-30 20:22 <smxy_> Not sure I understand why my current ZDB doesn't have them.
2017-06-30 20:22 <Plugh> I don't know those first two. fsassets may have been created if you are using FSAssets in your grid.
2017-06-30 20:23 <smxy_> I'll leave them. They won't hurt.
2017-06-30 20:23 <Plugh> I'm not sure about logs.
2017-06-30 20:23 <smxy_> Enjoy your walk. :)
2017-06-30 20:23 <Plugh> ty. bbl.
2017-06-30 21:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #5701 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-30 21:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5701: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5701/
2017-06-30 21:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: put osGetAgentIP() in threat control with level Severe so it can be disabled even for inworld administrators as needed on some grids. rearrage the osslEnable.ini file segregating the funtions only listed for information
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2017-06-30 21:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #5702 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-06-30 21:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5702: SUCCESS in 5 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5702/
2017-06-30 21:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do calls to m_host.AddScriptLPS() on the right place on osslm this stat is of course still wrong LPS does not mean api function calls
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2017-07-01 00:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #5703 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-01 00:49 <smxy> Don't you go breaking it, Ubit. :) That coninuous TP test has been running for over 5 days without a hiccup, but using last October's code. Current code should work at least as well. :p
2017-07-01 00:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5703: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5703/
2017-07-01 00:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  a few changes to ubOde avatar collisions
2017-07-01 00:50 <Ubit> well i know me.. keep breaking things :)
2017-07-01 00:50 <Plugh> grrr.. I'm getting that darned "Missing baked texture" message again.
2017-07-01 00:50 <Ubit> err i mean you know me...
2017-07-01 00:50 <Plugh> :)
2017-07-01 00:51 <Ubit> thing is that a avatar  can climb a box wall with almost 90�
2017-07-01 00:51 <Ubit> and i can't avoid it withou adding raycasts etc
2017-07-01 00:52 <Ubit> adn it was a bit ugly
2017-07-01 00:53 <Ubit> so now.. still unrealistic.. but avatar does not go inside the box as before while climbing
2017-07-01 00:53 <Ubit> specially on angles around 80
2017-07-01 00:54 <Ubit> guess one day i will need to add that ray thing to check if makes sense to climb
2017-07-01 00:54 <smxy> My sim meter is reporting I have -31 scripts running. That seems ... odd.
2017-07-01 00:55 <Ubit> yes we can't count... missed those classes on primary shcool :)
2017-07-01 00:55 <smxy> Apparently.
2017-07-01 00:55 <Ubit> also dam acttive prims
2017-07-01 00:57 <Ubit> so odd being able to climb a 89+ wall :(
2017-07-01 00:57 <Plugh> Hm... Firestorm tries 3 times to get region caps before it logs in. :P
2017-07-01 00:58 <Plugh> Oh, the joys of setting up fresh grids. Always takes a while to get everything dialed in.
2017-07-01 00:58 <Ubit> seems viewer now have a funny thing
2017-07-01 00:58 <Ubit> http retry  with previus req stil open
2017-07-01 00:59 <Plugh> Now has a funny thing? As in not before? :)
2017-07-01 00:59 <Ubit> old ones did not do that
2017-07-01 00:59 <Ubit> really http retry ??
2017-07-01 01:00 <Ubit> and worse.. with same req still open ..
2017-07-01 01:00 <Ubit> non sense
2017-07-01 01:01 <Plugh> bah. Firewall issue.
2017-07-01 01:03 <Ubit> sometimes seems current lindens think tcp is udp and vice versa
2017-07-01 01:03 <Ubit> or most likely is old UDP code paths  resused on http
2017-07-01 01:04 <Ubit> and those did sent retries
2017-07-01 01:07 <Ubit> ops not got scared with my test region mem use
2017-07-01 01:08 <Ubit> Heap allocated to OpenSim   : 17 MB
2017-07-01 01:08 <Ubit> Last heap allocation rate   : 0.05 MB/s
2017-07-01 01:08 <Ubit> Average heap allocation rate: 0.062 MB/s
2017-07-01 01:08 <Ubit> Process memory:      Physical 99 MB      Paged 77 MB     Virtual 340 MB
2017-07-01 01:08 <Ubit> forgot i did only started it wih one region and 32b :)
2017-07-01 01:09 <Ubit> was out task manager visible list sorted by mem use :)
2017-07-01 01:12 <Ubit> smxy you are still testing a version prior to my local tps penalty reduction no ?
2017-07-01 01:38 <osmantis> Bug #8203:04 [SCENE OBJECT GROUP]: SavedScriptState element had no UUID in object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8203 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-01 01:48 <osmantis> Bug #8202:04 Edit object to edit contents i.e. scripts does not load or loads after LONG waiting time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8202 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-01 01:53 <osmantis> Bug #8197:04 Solution (OpenSim.sln) file does not support xbuild or  monodevelop 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8197 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-07-01 02:07 <smxy>   Ubit: Correct. Still using October code.
2017-07-01 02:08 <smxy> Until sometime next week.
2017-07-01 02:10 <Ubit> ok
2017-07-01 05:14 <jaymie> Hi, I am just looking for some help with including the libraries into matlab to open opensim 
2017-07-01 05:15 <jaymie> I've configured open sim but get an error when i try and run the test code, I think i need to include the libraries but am not sure how to do that
2017-07-01 11:51 <osmantis> Bug #8203:04 [SCENE OBJECT GROUP]: SavedScriptState element had no UUID in object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8203 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-01 19:04 <Plugh> I'm heading out to attend some Canada Day celebrations. bbl.
2017-07-01 20:12 <osmantis> Bug #8205:04 llGetParcelPrimCount does not report Land Impact 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8205 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-07-01 20:16 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-07-01 20:32 <osmantis> Bug #5962:04 Correct date on "about Land/Objects" most recent column 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5962 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-01 20:46 <osmantis> Bug #8203:04 [SCENE OBJECT GROUP]: SavedScriptState element had no UUID in object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8203 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-01 20:56 <osmantis> Bug #7593:04 High memory usage when avatar arrives and is never released 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7593 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-01 20:59 <osmantis> Bug #5963:04 Fill in the "last login" information in the group users display 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5963 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-01 21:08 <osmantis> Bug #7593:04 High memory usage when avatar arrives and is never released 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7593 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-07-01 23:08 <osmantis> Bug #8205:04 llGetParcelPrimCount does not report Land Impact 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8205 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-07-01 23:26 <osmantis> Bug #5962:04 Correct date on "about Land/Objects" most recent column 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5962 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-01 23:52 <osmantis> Bug #7593:04 High memory usage when avatar arrives and is never released 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7593 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-02 00:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #5704 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-02 00:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5704: SUCCESS in 6 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5704/
2017-07-02 00:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  oops i forgot the avatar knees bending on ramps... so go back..
2017-07-02 05:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #5705 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-02 05:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5705: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5705/
2017-07-02 05:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update ode.dll ( windows)
2017-07-02 14:47 <osmantis> Bug #5962:04 Correct date on "about Land/Objects" most recent column 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5962 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-02 15:34 <osmantis> Bug #5962:04 Correct date on "about Land/Objects" most recent column 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5962 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-02 16:25 <osmantis> Bug #8205:04 llGetParcelPrimCount does not report Land Impact 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8205 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-02 16:48 <osmantis> Bug #5962:04 Correct date on "about Land/Objects" most recent column 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5962 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-02 22:48 <osmantis> Bug #8205:04 llGetParcelPrimCount does not report Land Impact 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8205 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-02 22:53 <osmantis> Bug #5962:04 Correct date on "about Land/Objects" most recent column 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5962 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-02 23:32 <osmantis> Bug #5962:04 Correct date on "about Land/Objects" most recent column 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5962 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-02 23:44 <osmantis> Bug #8205:04 llGetParcelPrimCount does not report Land Impact 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8205 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-07-03 05:33 <nebadon> C
2017-07-03 06:35 <smxy> C++
2017-07-03 07:20 <Daves> Hi. I am wondering how difficult it would be to write a plugin to record voice audio to disk
2017-07-03 07:21 <Daves> Any ideas/suggestions on this?
2017-07-03 19:24 <smxy> So, I have a quandry. Percona XtraDB Cluster requires all tables to have a primary key. But OpenSim has eight table without one, and I need to add one, but am not sure what they should be: estate_groups, estate_managers, estate_users, bakedterrain, spawn_points, landaccesslist, terrain, and migrations.
2017-07-03 19:24 <smxy> Obviously, whatever they are, they shouldn't interfere with the operation of OpenSim.
2017-07-03 19:25 <smxy> Unless it improves it, of course. :p
2017-07-03 19:27 <smxy> Back to cleaning my basement, while I wait for a possible reply...
2017-07-03 19:33 <OtakuMegane> Hmm...primary key needs to be unique and can't be null. Lemme take a peek at some of those.
2017-07-03 19:34 <OtakuMegane> Worst case if nothing fits well, you can usually add an auto-incrementing column to a table and make that the key.
2017-07-03 19:45 <OtakuMegane> estate_groups, estate_managers and estate_users you'd have to add a column, there's no reliably unique columns in those tables.
2017-07-03 19:47 <OtakuMegane> For bakedterrain and terrain, the 'RegionUUID' column may work. The 'name' column in migrations as well.
2017-07-03 19:47 <OtakuMegane> spawn_points and landaccesslist I don't know about, but I'd lean towards needing a new column for those too.
2017-07-03 19:52 <OtakuMegane> Actually scratch that, some of those columns can be null so probably not viable.
2017-07-03 19:56 <OtakuMegane> I think best to just add an auto-incrementing column to each of those tables and use it as primary. Fairly simple and shouldn't affect operations.
2017-07-03 20:06 <smxy> OtakuMegane: Thank you. So, can you help me with one of them, so I know what I'm doing? I should note I'm working on a new copy of the DB, so NO worry about trashing anything. 
2017-07-03 20:06 <smxy> How can I add a new column, without it affecting OpenSim? I"m a SysAdmin, not a DBA, so I apologize if that's a dumb question. I'm trying to learn. :)
2017-07-03 20:07 <smxy> Googling, whilst I wait. :)
2017-07-03 20:09 <smxy> I see the syntax I need, for adding a column, but I presume it should be added as the first column?
2017-07-03 20:09 <smxy> Or should it go elsewhere?
2017-07-03 20:12 <smxy> I see that what I want to do is like this, but it doesn't specify column position: ALTER TABLE old_table ADD pk_column INT AUTO_INCREMENT PRIMARY KEY;
2017-07-03 20:12 <OtakuMegane> I don't believe it has to be the first column, and without knowing exactly how OpenSim accesses database results it's probably wiser not to change the order.
2017-07-03 20:13 <smxy> So, last then.
2017-07-03 20:13 <OtakuMegane> Yeah, that should work.
2017-07-03 20:14 <smxy> Let me try that. Thanks.
2017-07-03 20:18 <smxy> Okay, not specifying a position for the new column, put it last, by default.
2017-07-03 20:19 <OtakuMegane> Makes sense.
2017-07-03 20:19 <smxy> Of course, I'll have to watch for migrations I may need to manually tweak, due to my changes, but that's okay. They aren't often. 
2017-07-03 20:20 <OtakuMegane> That's true, migrations might throw a fit but they're very rare now.
2017-07-03 20:27 <smxy> OtakuMegane: I'm curious, when I did that to the estate_managers table, and then imported my data, it left gaps in the values it put in the index polumn. Why wouldn't they be consecutive?
2017-07-03 20:27 <smxy> column*
2017-07-03 20:28 <smxy> 1,4,7,10,13,16,19,22,25,28, and 31. :)
2017-07-03 20:28 <smxy> Not 1,2,3,4,...
2017-07-03 20:29 <smxy> I'm sure it's fine, but I'm curious.
2017-07-03 20:32 <smxy> Also, some tables won't let me import data, because the data contains duplicate primary key vaues. How does that even happen?
2017-07-03 21:47 <OtakuMegane> smxy: Both those questions I am not certain lol.
2017-07-03 21:48 <smxy> OtakuMegane: LOL, thanks.
2017-07-03 21:49 <Ubit> well try..  damm hard with just on round foot :)
2017-07-03 21:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #5706 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-03 21:50 <smxy> Man, I just made my DB cluster work hard. I doubed the width of the description field in the assets table.
2017-07-03 21:50 <smxy> doubled*
2017-07-03 21:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5706: SUCCESS in 7 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5706/
2017-07-03 21:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubOde: dont do avatar step climb on small true spheres. lets play simple football
2017-07-03 22:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #5707 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-03 22:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5707: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5707/
2017-07-03 22:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubOde: but only do that if sphere is physical..
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2017-07-04 17:52 <Ubit> meeting with devs in err about 8minutes
2017-07-04 17:54 <Ubit> osgrid region  Projet secret (179, 146, 77
2017-07-04 19:35 <BillBlight> Could not make the meeting today, 4th of July stuff going on ...  
2017-07-04 19:36 <Ubit> what a 3rd allien invasion ?
2017-07-04 19:37 <BillBlight> Sure let's go with that ....   "hi boys I'mmmmm Baaaaackkkkk"
2017-07-04 19:38 <BillBlight> :P
2017-07-04 19:38 <BillBlight> Russel Case , RIP , July 4th 1996
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2017-07-05 04:43 <Plugh> oh, nuts. It was Tuesday. I don't know what happened but I completely forgot about the meeting today and my PDA didn't beep to remind me of it.
2017-07-05 06:20 <osmantis> Bug #8204:04 PGSQL need to replace 36 with 128 in the AssetSore.migration file under the appropriate VERSION for the creatorid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8204 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-05 06:23 <osmantis> Bug #8206:04 Cant place items on my grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8206 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-07-05 16:15 <testdev627> fyi this line of code was causing the Failure in DoOnRezScriptQueue()
2017-07-05 16:16 <testdev627> if (args.Name.Substring(0, args.Name.IndexOf(",")) == "Mono.Security")
2017-07-05 16:16 <testdev627> to fix replace with this
2017-07-05 16:16 <testdev627> if (args.Name.StartsWith("Mono.Security,"))
2017-07-05 16:17 <testdev627> complied scripts don't contain comma and so the original code throws an exception and does not load the script
2017-07-05 16:28 <osmantis> Bug #8207:04 PGSQL -  Failure in DoOnRezScriptQueue() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8207 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-07-05 17:49 <osmantis> Bug #8200:04 PGSQL EstateStore.migrations does not create estate_settings_id SEQUENCE and will prevent OpenSim from completing first run 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8200 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008163.
2017-07-05 17:49 <osmantis> Bug #8163:04 PGSQL EstateStore.migrations leaves database without estate tables on first run 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8163 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008200.
2017-07-05 17:52 <osmantis> Bug #8200:04 PGSQL EstateStore.migrations does not create estate_settings_id SEQUENCE and will prevent OpenSim from completing first run 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8200 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-07-05 20:12 <testdev627> anyone know if OpenSim works reliably with early versions of mono - like version 3.2.8 ?
2017-07-05 20:21 <Plugh> I've used it with 3.2.8
2017-07-05 20:29 <testdev627> I have been using it also with the 0.8.2.1 version - so I understand from you that the master branch does not cause any issues with this earlier version? Can the confirm that the issues we occasionally experience today with OpenSim are not usually mono related. Your response is greatly appreciated!
2017-07-05 20:32 <Plugh> I have one problem with git master but it doesn't appear related to mono as I've tried different versions of mono and still had the same issues. You will be ok up to about mono 4.0.4 but you should avoid most, if not all, 4.2 versions.
2017-07-05 20:33 <testdev627> what do you experience with mono 4.2 versions?
2017-07-05 20:35 <Plugh> I don't remember the exact problems. One of them might have been related to DNS. I stay away from it due to having heard problems with it. I've had discussions here before about mono. I might have saved some of the information (I hope) but the information hasn't be put in to a page in the OS wiki yet, AFAIK.
2017-07-05 20:36 <Plugh> I know one person who is using 4.0.4 and another said they were using 4.3.2 
2017-07-05 20:38 <testdev627> anyone tried with the current stable release of mono 5.0.1 ?
2017-07-05 20:49 <BillBlight> Most of my grid runs on mono 5
2017-07-05 20:50 <testdev627> awesome - thanks!
2017-07-05 20:50 <BillBlight> The DNS issue still exists with mono 5 although I don't think it is as pronounced ... but since I don't  use dyndns and have either hard dns or host files for my grid, I don't run into the DNS issue.
2017-07-05 21:01 <Ubit> kill ubuntu  resolver crap :p
2017-07-05 21:02 <BillBlight> Always ... that is a given .. even when not using opensim
2017-07-05 21:04 <BillBlight> The other thing that seems to help somewhat is a a bunch of networking tweaks to open up udp memory size, as well as make sure IPV6 is disabled, not just "unconfigured" but DISABLED
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2017-07-05 23:42 <smxy> BillBlight: Good to hear, about Mono 5. Leighton tells me your grid runs great.
2017-07-06 02:07 <BillBlight> I try to keep it that way smxy .. Thanks
2017-07-06 02:20 <Ubit> nahh ill break it soon
2017-07-06 02:20 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-06 02:49 <Plugh> smxy, having fun on your vacation?
2017-07-06 03:15 <smxy> Plugh: Well, I was, until I decided to wash the basement floor. 1) The sump pit is NOT at the lowest point of the floor; 2) I used too much cleaner; 3) too many suds; 4) spraying it with the hose to force it towards the sump didn't work and just made more suds; 5) my wet-vac kida chokes on suds; 6) I need to rinse it a few more times, without somehow creating more suds, so it's safe for 
2017-07-06 03:15 <smxy> my cats again.
2017-07-06 03:15 <smxy> Blech
2017-07-06 03:15 <Plugh> oh, joy. :p
2017-07-06 03:16 <smxy> That's one word to describe it, I suppose.
2017-07-06 03:16 <smxy> Not the one I'd choose, however. :p
2017-07-06 03:17 <BillBlight> I guess I am officially changing Ubit's name to UBrokeIt
2017-07-06 03:17 <BillBlight> :P
2017-07-06 03:18 <smxy> Well, I had a beautiful 4x5 region of 20 legacy sims that I could see the entirety of, until he came along and pretty much ruined it, so that I can't see more than a sim or two a way now. So yeah.
2017-07-06 03:19 <BillBlight> I just use VARs for big sims ..  so never bothered me .. I think I only have one single on my grid the rest are at least 2x2's
2017-07-06 03:21 <smxy> This was made before vars, before megas. I cranked up the default draw distance and could see virtually the entire 20 regions. Until he broke it while "fixing" things for vars.
2017-07-06 03:21 <Ubit> 20 regions is suicidal
2017-07-06 03:21 <smxy> Even with a var, I don't think I'd be able to see the entirety of one that big.
2017-07-06 03:21 <smxy> 20 regions worked wonderfully in my grid.
2017-07-06 03:22 <Ubit> viewers may just smoke
2017-07-06 03:22 <BillBlight> if you stand at the very center of an 8x8 you can see all 64 sims, with a 1024 draw distance ... LOL
2017-07-06 03:22 <Ubit> you are suicidal ppl :p
2017-07-06 03:23 <Ubit> btw i do need to get back to that code...
2017-07-06 03:23 <Ubit> so save ppl from suicide :p
2017-07-06 03:24 <smxy> No, I wanted, and HAD a huge, beautiful view. I used to be really mad at you about it, because, that, for me, was the centerpiece of my grid, and you just broke it. But it's been what, two years? I've long forgiven you, but I haven't forgotten. :)
2017-07-06 03:24 <BillBlight> What we need is a viewer that properly uses the GPU so 1024 and beyond is not a issue ..
2017-07-06 03:24 <smxy> Like that's gonna happen.
2017-07-06 03:24 <Ubit> well guess u can see 20 normal regions
2017-07-06 03:25 <Ubit> hmm or mb not coff coff coff :)
2017-07-06 03:25 <smxy> No. :)
2017-07-06 03:25 <Ubit> 9 ?
2017-07-06 03:25 <BillBlight> I know I can put 2 4x4 vars next to each other and see them ...
2017-07-06 03:25 <BillBlight> all
2017-07-06 03:26 <Ubit> yeap i will stop that 
2017-07-06 03:26 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-06 03:26 <smxy> And I was only mentioning this to strengthen bill's naming you UBrokeIt. :P
2017-07-06 03:26 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-06 03:26 <smxy> I'm already planning on how to replace the 20. :)
2017-07-06 03:26 <BillBlight> Yes we have changed your name, no longer Ubit ...
2017-07-06 03:26 <BillBlight> You are henceforth UBrokeIt
2017-07-06 03:26 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-06 03:26 <Ubit> :P
2017-07-06 03:26 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-06 03:27 <smxy> BTW, Bill, in-worl, I'm Shaun Emerald. I'm the one who like your paging board. :)
2017-07-06 03:27 <Ubit> well actually my test region is a bit broken now :)
2017-07-06 03:27 <BillBlight> right now the only issue I have is that occasional backup thread dying and the http thread dying .. but it is few and far between ..
2017-07-06 03:27 <smxy> And who can't type. :p
2017-07-06 03:27 <BillBlight> Oh well then smxy , Leighton has a version I made for you , that does not require my php back end ..
2017-07-06 03:28 <smxy> Oh, sweet. :) Thanks.
2017-07-06 03:29 <smxy> I run Sanctuary. It's a popular HG hub.
2017-07-06 03:29 <smxy> I make Blamgates.
2017-07-06 03:30 <BillBlight> cool .. You should check out my HG tp I made ... menu driven blamgate, that conversts itself to a HG tp if you take it off grid ..
2017-07-06 03:30 <BillBlight> so use for local, or give a copy for HG
2017-07-06 03:30 <smxy> And I've been mostly away for the better part of two years. People just kept dying and leaving me to clean it up. Thankfully, that seems to have stopped (for now). :)
2017-07-06 03:34 <smxy> The last four days have been fun, moving my grid's DB to a 3-node Percona XtraDB Cluster+ProxySQL.
2017-07-06 03:35 <smxy> Lots to learn, but I got it.
2017-07-06 03:36 <smxy> MY grid doesn't stress it though. My current QOS is only 20.14, LOL
2017-07-06 03:36 <smxy> QPS*
2017-07-06 03:37 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-06 03:37 <smxy> And it just jumped to a whopping 53.62. :p
2017-07-06 03:38 <smxy> What can I say? I'm a UNIX SysAdmin - I over-engineer everything. :)
2017-07-06 03:39 <BillBlight> I tend to do that, but I stopped short of actually doing a cluster
2017-07-06 03:39 <smxy> I wanted to learn how to do it. :)
2017-07-06 03:40 <BillBlight> my MariaDB is performing just fine .. .keep real time replication to 2 other servers, as well as real time sync of fsassets ...
2017-07-06 03:40 <smxy> Next I have to sort out how to back this thing up.
2017-07-06 03:41 <smxy> I'm sure it'll involve Percona's XtraBackup.
2017-07-06 03:41 <BillBlight> One of the reasons I like fsassets, keep the actually DB small comparitivly ... so the fassaets sync and db backups can happen seperately .
2017-07-06 03:42 <smxy> My DB is 31GB and 29 of it is the assets table.
2017-07-06 03:43 <BillBlight> my db is like 2 gig, my fsassets folder is 64 gig
2017-07-06 03:44 <smxy> That just stores the blobs in the filesystem instead, right?
2017-07-06 03:44 <BillBlight> yes stores the data as files, and indexes them in the db
2017-07-06 03:44 <BillBlight> So mysql memory is much lower 
2017-07-06 03:44 <smxy> Is there any way to convert to is from the original assets table?
2017-07-06 03:45 <BillBlight> makes backups and replication much faster
2017-07-06 03:45 <smxy> to it*
2017-07-06 03:45 <BillBlight> you can covert to it, but not from it ..
2017-07-06 03:45 <BillBlight> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/FSAssets_Service
2017-07-06 03:45 <smxy> Well, my replication isn't an issue. It happens near instantaneously and all 3 nodea are read/write masters.
2017-07-06 03:46 <smxy> nodes*
2017-07-06 03:46 <BillBlight> yeah that is nice
2017-07-06 03:46 <BillBlight> I don't require that amount of speed..
2017-07-06 03:46 <BillBlight> not yet ... LOL
2017-07-06 03:46 <smxy> Neither do I. :)
2017-07-06 03:46 <smxy> But I learned a lot doing it. :)
2017-07-06 03:47 <BillBlight> might pick your brain in the future
2017-07-06 03:47 <smxy> Like now I know why my Oracle DBA, at work, is bat-shit crazy. LOL :P
2017-07-06 03:56 <smxy> Time to tackle the basement again.
2017-07-06 07:41 <osmantis> Bug #8202:04 Edit object to edit contents i.e. scripts does not load or loads after LONG waiting time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8202 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-06 07:47 <osmantis> Bug #8202:04 Edit object to edit contents i.e. scripts does not load or loads after LONG waiting time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8202 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-06 07:52 <osmantis> Bug #8202:04 Edit object to edit contents i.e. scripts does not load or loads after LONG waiting time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8202 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-06 08:08 <smxy> I see I'm not the only night owl tonight.
2017-07-06 14:54 <djphil> ping nebadon
2017-07-06 14:54 <djphil> Hello Neb, i worked on a Panoramic Hud and it already works in large part (it allows to make 8 captures + 2 for top and bottom).
2017-07-06 14:54 <djphil> Then i encounter a small problem for aligning textures.
2017-07-06 14:54 <djphil> With the system 360 of SL, it takes 6 images to make a skybox (as was done before in Blaxxun or as can be done with Terragen for example ...).
2017-07-06 14:54 <djphil> I do not get to this point, to set the camera open and i think that's the main problem right now.
2017-07-06 14:54 <djphil> Do you know how to enlarge the opening of the camera (see http://wiki.ldraw.org/images/8/80/Camera.png)
2017-07-06 14:54 <djphil> I found something in FS Phototools / Cam / Camera Movment / View angle but I'm not sure this is the right setting to change. Do you know the right parameter and can access this parameter with an LSL script.
2017-07-06 15:03 <nebadon> djphil one sec
2017-07-06 15:03 <djphil> yep, np
2017-07-06 15:04 <nebadon> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/product/computational-photography-applications/image-composite-editor/#
2017-07-06 15:04 <djphil> mmmm i see ...
2017-07-06 15:05 <djphil> i have tested some with Hugin (for spherical and cylindric)
2017-07-06 15:12 <djphil> Heuuu ... That all Neb ?
2017-07-06 15:12 <nebadon> yea this is what i use
2017-07-06 15:12 <nebadon> it works pretty good
2017-07-06 15:12 <nebadon> as long as you have enough stichable photos
2017-07-06 15:12 <nebadon> repeating patterns and lots of similar solid colors can throw it off
2017-07-06 15:14 <djphil> It must be good to use with 4 Dialog but I do not think it will work for Callum Linden system.
2017-07-06 15:14 <djphil> But you do not answer my question about the angle of opening of the camera.
2017-07-06 15:15 <nebadon> no i dont know much about the linden system
2017-07-06 15:15 <nebadon> i know the results it spits out are nearly identical to what Microsoft ICE does 
2017-07-06 15:15 <nebadon> though ICE can do much higher resolution
2017-07-06 15:15 <djphil> is easy system
2017-07-06 15:16 <djphil> it use https://www.google.be/search?q=image+skybox&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi4xPe3-fTUAhXCPFAKHe0eA8oQsAQIKQ&biw=1296&bih=745
2017-07-06 15:16 <djphil> skybox is a old method ...
2017-07-06 15:16 <nebadon> yea
2017-07-06 15:16 <nebadon> i dont even know how to make those
2017-07-06 15:17 <djphil> for sure we can create 6 picture in Opensim with a Panoramic HUD ... but we need to adjust the opensing angle of camera ... to 90°
2017-07-06 15:28 <djphil> Hehe, ICE is easy to use :)
2017-07-06 15:29 <djphil> cool for the auto completion option
2017-07-06 15:36 <nebadon> yea very easy
2017-07-06 15:36 <djphil> more easy isn't possible lol
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2017-07-07 00:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #5708 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-07 00:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5708: SUCCESS in 8 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5708/
2017-07-07 00:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubOde don't use old ode body sleep option, a few changes on sleep control, update ode.dll (windows, others needed) (keep older versions.. bc.. well bugs happen)
2017-07-07 01:17 <osmantis> Bug #8206:04 Cant place items on my grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8206 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-07 03:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #5709 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-07 04:00 <Ubit> testures?  grrr
2017-07-07 04:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5709: SUCCESS in 5 min 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5709/
2017-07-07 04:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: bug fix: dynamic testures set to ALL_SIDES, preserve other face data already present
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2017-07-07 22:30 <djphil_> ping nebadon
2017-07-07 22:30 <djphil_> are you arroound Neb ?
2017-07-07 22:30 <djphil_> Look that : https://www.flickr.com/photos/digitalconcepts/35615471442/in/photostream/
2017-07-07 22:32 <Plugh> How did you manage to do that and how did you do it when there was no one around?
2017-07-07 22:32 <djphil_> lol
2017-07-07 22:32 <djphil_> i'm ghost
2017-07-07 22:32 <Plugh> oh, cool. You can drag the image around.
2017-07-07 22:33 <djphil_> yes is a 360 panorama
2017-07-07 22:33 <Plugh> I do see one avatar in it.
2017-07-07 22:33 <djphil_> yes one
2017-07-07 22:33 <djphil_> intrus !
2017-07-07 22:33 <Plugh> It auto rotated the view but I found I could also drag it around to see what I wanted to see.
2017-07-07 22:33 <Plugh> I like the next image -> paper-hallway-bubbles-background-twitter-24974
2017-07-07 22:34 <djphil_> yep lol, that old old old
2017-07-07 22:34 <djphil_> i don't really use Flickr for long time
2017-07-07 22:35 <djphil_> but since some day i try to made 360 pano in opensim
2017-07-07 22:35 <Plugh> Is the image 110_F_395475_4ST8efhjEtvvwy80WBLz0OYhjtOYiE tilable?
2017-07-07 22:35 <nebadon> nice djphil_
2017-07-07 22:35 <nebadon> one thing I do that improves the quality
2017-07-07 22:35 <nebadon> is i free the clouds
2017-07-07 22:35 <djphil_> yes sure
2017-07-07 22:35 <nebadon> there is probably even a way to pause the entire scene
2017-07-07 22:35 <nebadon> if people are there
2017-07-07 22:35 <nebadon> i forget how though
2017-07-07 22:36 <djphil_> don't remeber if i have fixed the scene (cloud) but i know i will do
2017-07-07 22:36 <djphil_> yes this is possible i think
2017-07-07 22:37 <nebadon> yea pause agent updates or something
2017-07-07 22:37 <djphil_> i found also how to change FOV
2017-07-07 22:37 <djphil_> yes or somethink ...
2017-07-07 22:38 <djphil_> i see in the past CtrlAltStudio have a system to capture screen top, bottomm, l, r etc ...
2017-07-07 22:38 <djphil_> but is a hack
2017-07-07 22:38 <nebadon> yea thats more skybox style
2017-07-07 22:38 <djphil_> not public domain
2017-07-07 22:38 <nebadon> only really good for big open areas
2017-07-07 22:38 <djphil_> yes skybox style
2017-07-07 22:38 <djphil_> that perfect
2017-07-07 22:38 <djphil_> but we need this hack lol
2017-07-07 22:38 <djphil_> where is ?
2017-07-07 22:39 <djphil_> i made mine with a custom 360 pano camera script lol
2017-07-07 22:39 <djphil_> isn't perfect
2017-07-07 22:39 <djphil_> need to fix a lot
2017-07-07 22:39 <nebadon> yea thats basically what we did
2017-07-07 22:39 <nebadon> we have a hud you wear
2017-07-07 22:39 <nebadon> and just keep hitting next
2017-07-07 22:39 <nebadon> then ctrl+~
2017-07-07 22:39 <nebadon> 72 times per sphere
2017-07-07 22:39 <djphil_> yes i do that
2017-07-07 22:39 <djphil_> no 72 lol
2017-07-07 22:39 <djphil_> 8
2017-07-07 22:40 <nebadon> well you saw how good mine looked :)
2017-07-07 22:40 <djphil_> sure
2017-07-07 22:40 <nebadon> I was going for maximum quality
2017-07-07 22:40 <djphil_> yeah you like that :)
2017-07-07 22:40 <djphil_> but a lot load slooooowly :p
2017-07-07 22:40 <nebadon> yea
2017-07-07 22:40 <djphil_> that a problem ...
2017-07-07 22:40 <nebadon> all depends on how you are using them
2017-07-07 22:40 <djphil_> loze visitors :p
2017-07-07 22:41 <djphil_> yes, sure
2017-07-07 22:41 <nebadon> yea that is why pause scene is essential
2017-07-07 22:41 <djphil_> for the web ... the best is slowwww
2017-07-07 22:41 <djphil_> bandwith in Belgium isn't the same like us or fr
2017-07-07 22:42 <djphil_> hmmm the pause scene is the original picture
2017-07-07 22:42 <djphil_> is the same size ...
2017-07-07 22:43 <djphil_> just without pano enabled
2017-07-07 22:43 <djphil_> this is not a thumbnail
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2017-07-08 05:03 <smxy> Apparently OpenSim is too dumb to deal with this legal connection string (I hid my password): ConnectionString = "Server=proxysql2.homelinux.org, proxysql.homelinux.org;Database=opensim;Port=6033;User ID=${Environment|SIM};Password=*******;Old Guids=true;"
2017-07-08 05:04 <smxy> If I only specify one proxy server, it works fine. But if I specify two, like here, it pukes:
2017-07-08 05:05 <Ubit> think that is sent as to mysql
2017-07-08 05:05 <smxy> From Robust: 00:59:57 - [SERVICE BASE]: Failed to load plugin OpenSim.Data.IUserAccountData from /opensim/var/addin-db/robust_wifi/addins/Diva.Wifi.0.8.1.0.4/Diva.Data.MySQL.dll with args Server=proxysql2.homelinux.org, proxysql.homelinux.org;Database=opensim;Port=6033;User ID=robust_wifi;Password=*******;Old Guids=true;, UserAccountsSystem.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: Exception 
2017-07-08 05:05 <smxy> has been thrown by the target of an invocation. ---> MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlException: Unable to connect to any of the specified MySQL hosts. ---> System.Exception: Call to GetHostEntry failed after 00:00:00 while querying for hostname 'proxysql2.homelinux.org, proxysql.homelinux.org': SocketErrorCode=HostNotFound, ErrorCode=11001, NativeErrorCode=11001. ---> System.Net.Sockets.Sock
2017-07-08 05:05 <smxy> etException: Could not resolve host 'proxysql2.homelinux.org, proxysql.homelinux.org'
2017-07-08 05:05 <smxy> I looked it up. It's a valid connection string.
2017-07-08 05:06 <Ubit> MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlException:is the mysql code
2017-07-08 05:06 <smxy> Well, all I know is that it's valid, so if I provide it to OpenSim, it should work.
2017-07-08 05:07 <Ubit> valid where?
2017-07-08 05:07 <Ubit> on mysql .net connector ?
2017-07-08 05:07 <smxy> yes
2017-07-08 05:07 <smxy> https://www.connectionstrings.com/mysql/
2017-07-08 05:08 <Ubit> well you see the error
2017-07-08 05:11 <smxy> Well, OpenSim is using some old/brainded lib then. It's a valid connection string, from what I can see online.
2017-07-08 05:11 <smxy> braindead*
2017-07-08 05:14 <Ubit> i actually did updated it on master
2017-07-08 05:14 <Ubit> but that is diva wifi? a old version?
2017-07-08 05:14 <smxy> It's the last released one, as far as I know.
2017-07-08 05:15 <smxy> I have to run it on an older release. It doesn't work with current code.
2017-07-08 05:15 <Ubit> on master ir is..
2017-07-08 05:15 <smxy> So I have a dedicated Robust, just for it.
2017-07-08 05:15 <Ubit> robust is master or not?
2017-07-08 05:16 <smxy> No. I just said I have to run it on old code.
2017-07-08 05:16 <smxy> So that Wifi works.
2017-07-08 05:16 <Ubit> ok you can test, save current version on the connector and replace by the one on master
2017-07-08 05:17 <Ubit> SHA-1: 52d4cf692caf4907e22089733fea080a081e3233
2017-07-08 05:17 <Ubit> * update mysql connector to v6.9.9 .net4.0
2017-07-08 05:17 <Ubit> file Mysql.Data.dll
2017-07-08 05:18 <smxy> You mean just update my local git, grab that file, and drop it into my older release?
2017-07-08 05:19 <Ubit> on the one you are testing yes
2017-07-08 05:19 <Ubit> ( or get the dll from mysql site )
2017-07-08 05:19 <smxy> Yes, I could try that.
2017-07-08 05:21 <Ubit> i just did that.. droped the new version in, and all ok
2017-07-08 05:23 <smxy> I'll try it in a few minutes. :)
2017-07-08 05:23 <smxy> It's right in bin. yes?
2017-07-08 05:23 <Ubit> yeap
2017-07-08 05:23 <smxy> okay.
2017-07-08 05:24 <smxy> I figured this particular Robust was good to test with, because it barely affects the grid when it goes up and down. :)
2017-07-08 05:24 <smxy> It's dedicated just to Wifi.
2017-07-08 05:25 <smxy> Diva had me set it up that way, so that it could lag behind on the OpenSim version, between her offical releases.
2017-07-08 05:26 <smxy> I could run dev master for everything else, and not touch this Robust, so when dev master breaks something Wifi needs, I'm not affected.
2017-07-08 05:27 <smxy> I'm thinking this won't work though. Look at the error. it mentions Diva.Data.MySQL.dll - if she's building her own ...
2017-07-08 05:27 <smxy> Unless that's just a wrapper of sorts.
2017-07-08 05:28 <Ubit> and there is such a file on its bin?
2017-07-08 05:30 <smxy> In bin, there is: MySql.Data.dll
2017-07-08 05:30 <smxy> But now I have to look under addins
2017-07-08 05:32 <smxy> Yup: ./addins/Diva.Wifi.0.8.1.0.4/Diva.Data.MySQL.dll
2017-07-08 05:32 <smxy> I wonder if she has a newer Wifi
2017-07-08 05:40 <nebadon> usually Wifi only works on release versions
2017-07-08 05:41 <nebadon> should "Certified" to work with
2017-07-08 05:41 <nebadon> should say*
2017-07-08 05:44 <mcbits> Has anyone suggested/thought about/tried using IPFS for serving assets?
2017-07-08 05:46 <nebadon> im sure it could be done
2017-07-08 05:46 <nebadon> I have not heard anyone talk about it though
2017-07-08 05:46 <nebadon> There have been many alternate style asset servers 
2017-07-08 05:46 <nebadon> assets are one of the easier to roll your own parts of opensim
2017-07-08 05:46 <mcbits> If I understand correctly, if the user is running an IPFS daemon, it might be possible to just send a localhost URL and the viewer wouldn't need to know the difference.
2017-07-08 05:47 <nebadon> that may not improve much
2017-07-08 05:47 <nebadon> depends on how fast it can respond I guess
2017-07-08 05:47 <nebadon> would have to test it :)
2017-07-08 05:48 <mcbits> I'll start digging :)
2017-07-08 05:50 <smxy> nebadon: Yes, release versions. That's why I have a dedicated Robust, that I don't update, except when a new release comes out.
2017-07-08 05:50 <smxy> Just for Wifi
2017-07-08 05:52 <nebadon> yea as long as there is no major database migrations that will work
2017-07-08 05:52 <nebadon> usually there arent many any more
2017-07-08 05:52 <smxy> right
2017-07-08 05:53 <smxy> It's working fine. Just chokes on this connection string with two servers in it. But so does my Robust that is running dev Master from last October, which is newer and doesn't have anything to do with Wifi.
2017-07-08 15:53 <smxy> So, the MinPoolThreads [Startup] setting has been eliminated? Or did it just fall out of the defaulst file?
2017-07-08 15:53 <smxy> defaults*
2017-07-08 15:56 <Ubit> don't remember :p
2017-07-08 15:56 <Ubit> possible deleted yes
2017-07-08 15:57 <Ubit> that is not a user setting
2017-07-08 15:57 <Ubit> either we make it right or not :)
2017-07-08 15:58 <smxy> If it's in the defaults file, then it *IS* a setting that a user can change. And I had.
2017-07-08 15:58 <smxy> So don't say it isn't a user setting - all exposed settings are user settings. :)
2017-07-08 15:59 <smxy> Now, if yoou removed it, fine.
2017-07-08 15:59 <Ubit> well as i said i don't remember
2017-07-08 15:59 <Ubit> i do remove some "options" like that
2017-07-08 16:00 <smxy> I'm stepping through my custom settings, seeing if any need to be changed/deleted. Tht one seemed to have disappeared, so I asked. :)
2017-07-08 16:00 <smxy> I actually try to change very little from the stock configs, unless I have a really good reason.
2017-07-08 19:40 <smxy> hey BillBlight, you around?
2017-07-08 19:41 <smxy> nebadon: are you running with Mono 5*
2017-07-08 19:41 <smxy> ?
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2017-07-08 19:58 <djphil_> Ubit arround ?
2017-07-08 19:58 <djphil_> If you rezz multiple prims simultaneously, it is normal that object_rez does not return the uuids one after the other after each rez of prim. It seems to return them randomly ...
2017-07-08 20:24 <smxy> Figures. No one around when I need them. :)
2017-07-08 20:37 <Ubit> so out of memory ?
2017-07-08 20:37 <smxy> Got time to chat about it?
2017-07-08 20:38 <smxy> Let's discuss it here, in case it proves useful to someone else, instead of in PM. :)
2017-07-08 20:38 <Ubit> this is irc and rl time cames and goes :)
2017-07-08 20:38 <Ubit> well that errors seems no physical mem
2017-07-08 20:39 <Ubit> or a very broken mono
2017-07-08 20:39 <Ubit> "20.Error: Garbage collector could not allocate 16384 bytes of memory for major heap section."
2017-07-08 20:41 <smxy> The server had 3GB or RAM. The MONO_GC_PARAMS variable was setting the nursery to 64M. I removed the nursery setting, and it started up. I then tried to restart it, and it failed to start, giving me this error: Error: Garbage collector could not allocate 2097152 bytes of memory for pin-queue. - thirty seconds later, it started up ok, with no change on my part.
2017-07-08 20:41 <smxy> of* RAM
2017-07-08 20:42 <Ubit> it does sound like a bad mono issue..  those sizes are small
2017-07-08 20:43 <smxy> It's 5.4.0.56 - the latest.
2017-07-08 20:43 <Ubit> dan also noticed at somepoint mono crashs out of physical mem
2017-07-08 20:44 <Ubit> bc this days linux and windows use the free mem for caching etc
2017-07-08 20:44 <Ubit> and mono  fails to proper request mem in a away the os does free from that
2017-07-08 20:44 <smxy> Yes, and give it back as applications need it.
2017-07-08 20:44 <smxy> ah.
2017-07-08 20:44 <Ubit> on that case seems a mmap issue ( the error mentions mmap )
2017-07-08 20:45 <Ubit> on your case, no idea :(
2017-07-08 20:45 <Ubit> just it does not sound like anything on opensim code
2017-07-08 20:46 <smxy> Well, what should I do here? My grid's been down for hours. :) I've tried pinging BillBlight, who I know uses Mono 5, and I nebadon, who I think does, and I've posted about it elsewhere. Nothing yet.
2017-07-08 20:46 <smxy> While I try to figure that out, May I point out a different failure?
2017-07-08 20:46 <Ubit> im using mono 5.01 i think on a box from bill
2017-07-08 20:46 <smxy> Good to know.
2017-07-08 20:47 <Ubit> a small region only
2017-07-08 20:47 <Ubit> root@UbitBox:~# mono --version
2017-07-08 20:47 <Ubit> Mono JIT compiler version 5.0.1.1
2017-07-08 20:47 <smxy> Okay, I might try that.
2017-07-08 20:47 <Ubit> actually i did install it. bill gave me the box with the ubuntu default
2017-07-08 20:47 <smxy> Now, once I got my Robust up, I wanted to try to start a region.
2017-07-08 20:48 <Ubit> neb also tested other versions i think
2017-07-08 20:48 <smxy> The first thing I noticed was this: 16:31:57 - [serverUtils.ParseXmlResponse]: failed error: The 'HEAD' start tag on line 1 position 8 does not match the end tag of 'HTML'. Line 1, position 160.
2017-07-08 20:48 <smxy>  --- string: <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>500 Internal Server Error</TITLE><BODY><BR /><H1>Ooops!</H1><P>The server you requested is overun by knomes! Find hippos quick!</P></BODY></HTML> -
2017-07-08 20:48 <Ubit> even on little raspberry pi :)
2017-07-08 20:48 <smxy> This does, indeed, look like a bug.
2017-07-08 20:49 <smxy> As there is no closing </HEAD> tag.
2017-07-08 20:49 <Ubit> or a side effect of something else
2017-07-08 20:49 <smxy> Right after that, I got this: 
2017-07-08 20:50 <smxy> 16:31:57 - [ESTATE CONNECTOR]: LoadEstateSettings(regionID) from http://sanctuary.homelinux.org:8013/estates/estate/?region=ea8b7993-3930-43d8-94d1-3b09edd0d711&create=False received null or zero response
2017-07-08 20:50 <smxy> 16:31:57 - [ESTATE]: Region The Darkmatter is not part of an estate.
2017-07-08 20:50 <smxy> I killed it at that point as I don;t want it to join a new estate.
2017-07-08 20:50 <Ubit> dunno..  just no opensim bug should cause gc fails
2017-07-08 20:50 <Ubit> well unless my bugs on unmanaged ode :)
2017-07-08 20:51 <Ubit> i mean except :)
2017-07-08 20:51 <OtakuMegane> I put the error in Google and a bunch of mentions come up for various mono stuff so pretty certainly it's a mono thing.
2017-07-08 20:51 <Ubit> unmanaged issues can of course be very nasty
2017-07-08 20:52 <Ubit> hi OtakuMegane :)
2017-07-08 20:52 <OtakuMegane> Hai :)
2017-07-08 20:52 <Ubit> well i was breaking something ... what was it.. ahh collision sounds..
2017-07-08 20:52 <smxy> Ubit, forget the memory thing for the moment, what can you tell me about the estate issue I'm seeing?
2017-07-08 20:53 <Ubit> we have those on master robust? :)
2017-07-08 20:54 <Ubit> err that is robust or region error?
2017-07-08 20:54 <smxy> Do you have a serious answer, perhaps?
2017-07-08 20:55 <smxy> I can't do this if you can't even read what I tell you. :(
2017-07-08 20:55 <Ubit> i will let you know whne and if i have it :)
2017-07-08 20:55 <smxy> I said after I got my Robust up, I tried to start a region. Then I got that XML parse error and the estate error.
2017-07-08 20:55 <smxy> During region startup.
2017-07-08 20:56 <Ubit> ok error is region code
2017-07-08 20:57 <OtakuMegane> So this is a new region that's never been given an estate?
2017-07-08 20:57 <Ubit> hm how did you got that html response?
2017-07-08 20:57 <smxy> Ubit: By starting the region.
2017-07-08 20:58 <smxy> OtakuMegane: No. The grid was running dev master code from last October. Today I updated it to Dev Master Head.
2017-07-08 20:58 <OtakuMegane> Ah.
2017-07-08 20:58 <smxy> This is a long established region.
2017-07-08 20:59 <Ubit> http://sanctuary.homelinux.org:8013 is the correct url ?
2017-07-08 21:00 <smxy> My Grid is on port 8012, but otherwise, yes.
2017-07-08 21:00 <Ubit> string serviceURI = gridConfig.GetString("EstateServerURI",
2017-07-08 21:00 <Ubit> cames from that setting
2017-07-08 21:00 <smxy> Let me check it
2017-07-08 21:01 <smxy> Is that in GridCommon?
2017-07-08 21:01 <Ubit> 8013 guess its yr private port ?
2017-07-08 21:01 <smxy> yes, with wifi on 8014
2017-07-08 21:01 <Ubit> think so
2017-07-08 21:02 <Ubit> no
2017-07-08 21:02 <Ubit> err let me sse
2017-07-08 21:03 <smxy> In Robust, I have this setting: EstateDataService = "${Const|PrivatePort}/OpenSim.Server.Handlers.dll:EstateDataRobustConnector"
2017-07-08 21:03 <smxy> In GridCommon, I have this
2017-07-08 21:04 <Ubit> yeap it is there
2017-07-08 21:04 <Ubit> EstateService]
2017-07-08 21:04 <Ubit>     EstateServerURI = "${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PrivatePort}"
2017-07-08 21:04 <smxy> In [EstateDataStore] I have LocalServiceModule = "OpenSim.Services.Connectors.dll:EstateDataRemoteConnector"
2017-07-08 21:04 <smxy> and in [EstateService]
2017-07-08 21:04 <smxy>     EstateServerURI = "${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PrivatePort}"
2017-07-08 21:05 <smxy> I don't see anything wrong with those settings.
2017-07-08 21:05 <Ubit> yeap seem ok
2017-07-08 21:05 <Ubit> just robust is answering garbage
2017-07-08 21:06 <smxy> Checking DB
2017-07-08 21:07 <Ubit> hmm im not using that on osg.. guess no estates there ?
2017-07-08 21:07 <Plugh> smxy: Is the EstateDataService line in Robust.ini commented out or not?
2017-07-08 21:07 <smxy> No. I didn;t paste it commented out, either.
2017-07-08 21:08 <smxy> Which table would I see the estate in?
2017-07-08 21:09 <smxy> estate_map?
2017-07-08 21:09 <Plugh> There is a mappings table in the estate database, IIRC.
2017-07-08 21:10 <smxy> That region is in estate 104
2017-07-08 21:10 <smxy> in the estate_map table.
2017-07-08 21:11 <Ubit> estate_settings on this i guess
2017-07-08 21:12 <Ubit> err both
2017-07-08 21:12 <Plugh> estate settings are settings related to an estate. 
2017-07-08 21:12 <Ubit>           string sql = "select estate_settings." + String.Join(",estate_settings.", FieldList) +
2017-07-08 21:12 <Ubit>                 " from estate_map left join estate_settings on estate_map.EstateID = estate_settings.EstateID where estate_settings.EstateID is not null and RegionID = ?RegionID";
2017-07-08 21:13 <Ubit> thats the query to get a estate settings :)
2017-07-08 21:13 <smxy> It's in estate_map and estate_settings.
2017-07-08 21:13 <OtakuMegane> estate_settings seems to be where the estate itself is defined though. The other estate_ tables just reference that id
2017-07-08 21:13 <smxy> It's there.
2017-07-08 21:14 <smxy> From Regions.ini: RegionUUID = ea8b7993-3930-43d8-94d1-3b09edd0d711
2017-07-08 21:15 <smxy> from estate_map: | ea8b7993-3930-43d8-94d1-3b09edd0d711 |      104 |
2017-07-08 21:15 <Ubit> the error sounds a hard error
2017-07-08 21:15 <Ubit> not db
2017-07-08 21:15 <Ubit> if that html is the answer you get
2017-07-08 21:15 <smxy> from etstate_settings: |      104 | Darkmatter |                       0 |             0 |                   0 |        0 |              0 |          0 |              0 |          1 |             1 |             1 |       0 |                   1 |             0 |             0 |              1 |           0 |                 0 |              0 |            1 |            | 417c38f8-a0cc-
2017-07-08 21:15 <smxy> 4d2c-941f-56f6ca14ebd4 |          0 |             1 |                  1 |            1 |
2017-07-08 21:16 <OtakuMegane> Hmm
2017-07-08 21:18 <smxy> Checking the Robust console, there is a related stack trace: https://pastebin.com/zqjLAqCM
2017-07-08 21:19 <Ubit> ahh looks more like a cause
2017-07-08 21:20 <smxy> Oh, what?
2017-07-08 21:20 <Ubit> problems with the db
2017-07-08 21:20 <Ubit> or compatibility 
2017-07-08 21:20 <smxy> Can you be more specific please?
2017-07-08 21:21 <Ubit> im stiil decoding yr pastebin 
2017-07-08 21:21 <Ubit> that is a error reading the estate data from mysql
2017-07-08 21:22 <Ubit> and that does explain the odd response etc..
2017-07-08 21:22 <Ubit> it is a old db ?
2017-07-08 21:22 <smxy> No, it's a brand new Percona XtraDB Cluster of 3-nodes, that worked with the October code.
2017-07-08 21:23 <Ubit> well no changes on robust recently
2017-07-08 21:24 <Ubit> 1.16:31:57 - [BASE HTTP SERVER]: HandleRequest() threw exception System.Collections.Generic.KeyNotFoundException: The given key was not present in the dictionary.
2017-07-08 21:24 <Ubit> 2.  at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[TKey,TValue].get_Item (TKey key) [0x0001e] in /root/mono-builds/mono-5.4.0.56/mono-5.4.0.56/external/corert/src/System.Private.CoreLib/src/System/Collections/Generic/Dictionary.cs:223
2017-07-08 21:24 <Ubit> 3.  at MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlField.SetFieldEncoding () [0x00034] in <0004ab8b375b422f9000ac25a68089d9>:0
2017-07-08 21:24 <Ubit> 4.  at MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlField.set_CharacterSetIndex (System.Int32 value) [0x00007] in <0004ab8b375b422f9000ac25a68089d9>:0
2017-07-08 21:24 <Ubit> 5.  at MySql.Data.MySqlClient.NativeDriver.GetColumnData (MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlField field) [0x000ad] in <0004ab8b375b422f9000ac25a68089d9>:0
2017-07-08 21:24 <Ubit> oops large paste :)
2017-07-08 21:24 <OtakuMegane> Looking at the stacktrace it's well into mysql/mono before it breaks.
2017-07-08 21:24 <Ubit> hmm?
2017-07-08 21:25 <Ubit> this one is on the mysql connector it seems
2017-07-08 21:25 <OtakuMegane> Lines 2 and 3 involve character set/encoding right before it breaks
2017-07-08 21:25 <smxy> Trying something ...
2017-07-08 21:25 <OtakuMegane> 3, 4*
2017-07-08 21:25 <Ubit> yeap that is the issue
2017-07-08 21:26 <Ubit> hmm
2017-07-08 21:27 <smxy> Let me try something else ...
2017-07-08 21:31 <OtakuMegane> Btw, out of curiosity I peeked at the Opensim code and sure enough the </HEAD> tag is missing from both the 404 and 500 error responses in BaseHttpServer.cs :P
2017-07-08 21:32 <Ubit> side effect
2017-07-08 21:32 <smxy> Okay. I replaced MySql.Data.dll from today's build with the one from my October build, and now the region is up to the point of generating the map image. So it's the MySql.Data.dll
2017-07-08 21:33 <Ubit> compatibity with your mysql server ?
2017-07-08 21:33 <smxy> Percona is compatible with Pure MySQL
2017-07-08 21:35 <Ubit> yes but what version.. 
2017-07-08 21:35 <smxy> The older dll is from MS and works. The new one doesn't. That suggests it's the dll, not the DB.
2017-07-08 21:35 <Ubit> yeap
2017-07-08 21:35 <Ubit> error is on the dll
2017-07-08 21:35 <smxy> Region is starting scripts now ...
2017-07-08 21:35 <Ubit> seems something is not full compatible
2017-07-08 21:36 <smxy> Region is up, without error.
2017-07-08 21:36 <Ubit> well the new dll should suport mysql 5 at least
2017-07-08 21:37 <smxy> Percona 5.7 is compatible with MySQL 5.7
2017-07-08 21:37 <Ubit> so they say
2017-07-08 21:37 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-08 21:37 <smxy> I'm not changing DB providers.
2017-07-08 21:38 <smxy> Not when the older dll from MS actually works
2017-07-08 21:38 <smxy> But it's REALLY old. Maybe there's a newer, but not too new, one I can use.
2017-07-08 21:38 <Ubit> MS ?
2017-07-08 21:38 <smxy> yes
2017-07-08 21:40 <smxy> The one I am using is before you updated it in May. so that would be v6.3.6. What didn;t work for me just now was v6.9.9
2017-07-08 21:40 <smxy> There's a lot in between those two.
2017-07-08 21:40 <Ubit> looking to the one on 0.8.2 and it is from oracle not ms
2017-07-08 21:40 <Ubit> and was 6.3.6
2017-07-08 21:40 <smxy> I'm sorry. I keep saying MS and should be saying Oracle. My mistake.
2017-07-08 21:40 <Ubit> ok
2017-07-08 21:41 <smxy> Yeas, so we jumped from 6.3.6 to 6.9.9
2017-07-08 21:41 <smxy> The old one is working for me, but not the new one.
2017-07-08 21:41 <Ubit> and 6.3.5 does not suport server 5.7
2017-07-08 21:41 <Ubit> 3.6
2017-07-08 21:41 <smxy> It's working. :)
2017-07-08 21:41 <Ubit> https://dev.mysql.com/doc/connector-net/en/connector-net-versions.html
2017-07-08 21:42 <Ubit> look table at end
2017-07-08 21:42 <smxy> So I should be at 6.5.* at least
2017-07-08 21:43 <Ubit> i did choose 6.9.9 to keep 5.0 suport up to 5.7
2017-07-08 21:43 <Ubit> 7.0 whould not suport 5.0 as you can see there
2017-07-08 21:43 <smxy> Well, all I know is it don't work for me, clearly.
2017-07-08 21:43 <Ubit> well easy fix..  you can get what you need from oracle
2017-07-08 21:44 <Ubit> and if you want mantis, so other ppl using same db can see it 
2017-07-08 21:44 <smxy> And then have to remember to replace yours every damn time I build. :)
2017-07-08 21:44 <Ubit> from that page mine was the right choice now :(
2017-07-08 21:44 <smxy> But I can script that.
2017-07-08 21:45 <Ubit> you see the first table ?
2017-07-08 21:45 <smxy> I see why you chose it. I'll let you know what the newest one is that works with my setup.
2017-07-08 21:45 <smxy> yes
2017-07-08 21:45 <Ubit> both .net and server versions :(
2017-07-08 21:46 <Ubit> i could go to 6.8 i guess from that table
2017-07-08 21:46 <smxy> Question: Would I (theoretically be able to use the 6.10 and 7.0 connectors?
2017-07-08 21:46 <Ubit> both need .net 4.5
2017-07-08 21:46 <Ubit> both need .net 4.5.2
2017-07-08 21:47 <smxy> Or do they not support whatever.Net we're using
2017-07-08 21:47 <smxy> and we use?
2017-07-08 21:47 <Ubit> thats your side
2017-07-08 21:47 <Ubit> depends on the mono you use
2017-07-08 21:47 <smxy> 5
2017-07-08 21:47 <Ubit> guess that will do
2017-07-08 21:48 <smxy> I don't think you made a bad choice.
2017-07-08 21:48 <smxy> I just have to find the newest (or newer) driver that works for me.
2017-07-08 21:48 <Ubit> ok
2017-07-08 21:49 <Ubit> let us know possible on mantis for all
2017-07-08 21:49 <smxy> Now I still need to figure out the memory issues.
2017-07-08 21:49 <smxy> es, I will.
2017-07-08 21:49 <smxy> Yes*
2017-07-08 21:49 <Ubit> that gc error was scary yes
2017-07-08 21:49 <smxy> There were two different errors.
2017-07-08 21:50 <smxy> #1) Error: Garbage collector could not allocate 16384 bytes of memory for major heap section.
2017-07-08 21:50 <smxy> #2) Error: Garbage collector could not allocate 2097152 bytes of memory for pin-queue.
2017-07-08 21:50 <Ubit> can't allocate 16kb ... scary :)
2017-07-08 21:50 <smxy> #1 went away when I stopped specifying 64M as the nursery size. #2 happened, but 30 seconds later, with no change, didn't.
2017-07-08 21:52 <OtakuMegane> #1 I put in Google earlier and there are a number of results, several from ~2014 so that has happened to others.
2017-07-08 21:53 <Ubit> ok.. coffe break and go back to the broken collision sounds code :)
2017-07-08 21:53 <Ubit> ( broken bc im in the middle of changing :) )
2017-07-08 21:56 <smxy> OtakuMegane: I couldn't even find any mention of that "pin-queue'. :(
2017-07-08 22:02 <smxy> Ubit: When I download the connector, I assume I should choose ".NET & Mono" as the Operating System?
2017-07-08 22:03 <smxy> Instead of Windows.
2017-07-08 22:09 <Ubit> ,net versions are the reference
2017-07-08 22:10 <smxy> Yeah. I realized I wouldn't get far with a .msi file, on LInux. :P
2017-07-08 22:10 <Ubit> no mono profiles on that page
2017-07-08 22:10 <smxy> The OS was listed just as I gave it
2017-07-08 22:10 <smxy> ".NET & Mono"
2017-07-08 22:11 <Ubit> yeap mono is suposed to run .net
2017-07-08 22:11 <smxy> I've got 6.8, 6.7, 6.6, and 6.5 downloaded. Time to experiment. I didn;t go older than 6.5, because before that, it says 5.7 isn't supported.
2017-07-08 22:12 <smxy> Even though it works for me. :)
2017-07-08 22:12 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-08 22:12 <smxy> My aim is to find the newest that works for me.
2017-07-08 22:21 <Ubit> sure
2017-07-08 22:24 <Ubit> any idea what is a collision sound typical durantion on ms ?
2017-07-08 22:25 <Ubit> well doesn't matter much.. they are annoying :p
2017-07-08 22:25 <Ubit> and actually breaking movement grrr
2017-07-08 22:26 <smxy> Ubit: As I unzip these, there are v2 and v4 dirs. Which do I take the dll from?
2017-07-08 22:26 <Ubit> v2 ?
2017-07-08 22:26 <smxy> and others. Are those the .NET versions?
2017-07-08 22:26 <Ubit> guess v4 is .net 4.0
2017-07-08 22:27 <smxy> v2.0, v4.0, v4.5 ...
2017-07-08 22:27 <Ubit> ok use 4.0 to match current opensim
2017-07-08 22:27 <Ubit> one less worry on chosing mono
2017-07-08 22:27 <smxy> okay
2017-07-08 22:28 <smxy> I'll give it a try
2017-07-08 22:28 <smxy> AFTER I make some coffee. :)
2017-07-08 22:30 <OtakuMegane> Ubit: You referring to how long the collision sound plays in the viewer?
2017-07-08 22:30 <Ubit> im adding throotle on those
2017-07-08 22:31 <Ubit> guess ill use just 2 or 5 persecond
2017-07-08 22:31 <Ubit> 2 if ugly default
2017-07-08 22:31 <OtakuMegane> From a quick test most of the default ones seem to be roughly 1/4 second playing time
2017-07-08 22:32 <Ubit> ok thx
2017-07-08 22:32 <Ubit> need to throttle current code kills movement updates grrr
2017-07-08 22:32 <Ubit> better said.. delays them.. nonsense
2017-07-08 22:33 <Ubit> we have this priorities all wrong  grrr
2017-07-08 22:38 <Ubit> actuall not that
2017-07-08 22:38 <smxy> Oh, I don;t think I said it earlier, but thanks for the help. :) Now that I have coffee, I'll go see if any of these dlls work ...
2017-07-08 22:38 <Ubit> forcing 500ms or 100ms silence..  btw them
2017-07-08 22:39 <Ubit> no need to thank.. we are here helping each other
2017-07-08 22:39 <smxy> Thanks, anyway. My mother taught me manners. :)
2017-07-08 22:40 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-08 22:40 <smxy> Or tried to. :p
2017-07-08 22:41 <Ubit> tp to a region without starting it does not work damm :)
2017-07-08 22:41 <djphil_> Ubit, did you see my question above?
2017-07-08 22:42 <djphil_> Hi :)
2017-07-08 22:42 <Ubit> nopes.. scrolling after starting the region :p
2017-07-08 22:42 <djphil_> 10<djphil_> 01If you rezz multiple prims simultaneously, it is normal that object_rez does not return the uuids one after the other after each rez of prim. It seems to return them randomly ...01
2017-07-08 22:42 <djphil_> this one
2017-07-08 22:43 <Ubit> no idea.. have to check code
2017-07-08 22:43 <Ubit> how do u rez multiple simult ??
2017-07-08 22:45 <Ubit> ooops killed all sounds :p
2017-07-08 22:45 <smxy> I'm seeing that sometimes simulators say "18:43:49 - [SHUTDOWN]: Shutdown processing on main thread complete.  Exiting..." but then they don't exit ...
2017-07-08 22:45 <Ubit> update the region
2017-07-08 22:45 <djphil_> to test i rez some prim in a loop ... and heach time it rez, i try to send params (prim by prim) with osSetPrimParam inside the object_rez state
2017-07-08 22:45 <smxy> Ubit. I'm running TODAY's code.
2017-07-08 22:46 <smxy> There isn't anything newer.
2017-07-08 22:46 <Ubit> well it does exit now on mono
2017-07-08 22:46 <smxy> Not always.
2017-07-08 22:46 <smxy> Not on 5.4.0.56.
2017-07-08 22:46 <Ubit> ufff :(
2017-07-08 22:46 <smxy> Two exited. One didn't.
2017-07-08 22:47 <smxy> Hmm.
2017-07-08 22:47 <OtakuMegane> That old bug maybe not quite dead yet.
2017-07-08 22:47 <smxy> Oh, look, it just took a little longer than the others, but *did* exit.
2017-07-08 22:47 <Ubit> oops...  silly bug :)
2017-07-08 22:48 <smxy> I'll be more patient next time.
2017-07-08 22:48 <OtakuMegane> Ok, that's good.
2017-07-08 22:48 <OtakuMegane> Yeah, sometimes it takes a while to finish cleaning up or whatever.
2017-07-08 22:48 <smxy> BTW, until proven otherwise, I assume all errors are my fault.
2017-07-08 22:48 <Ubit> so dj you fire on a loop then see on the event ?
2017-07-08 22:49 <Ubit> forgot the even name on the rezzer prim
2017-07-08 22:50 <djphil_> Hmm ?
2017-07-08 22:50 <djphil_> is object_rez(key uuid)
2017-07-08 22:50 <Ubit> well  is this, object rez is done async... so order maybe random
2017-07-08 22:51 <Ubit> hmm that could be a issue.. but its how it is now
2017-07-08 22:51 <OtakuMegane> Yeah, here and in SL I've often watched groups of prims manually rezzed pop in at random.
2017-07-08 22:51 <djphil_> Mmm, taht cause some problems
2017-07-08 22:52 <djphil_> No way to get rez_prim_uuid one by one immediatly after rez ?
2017-07-08 22:52 <Ubit> ppl do love multithreading :)
2017-07-08 22:52 <Ubit> i can start making opensim single task.. may i ?
2017-07-08 22:52 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-08 22:53 <OtakuMegane> You should be able to get such data from the prim when it rezzes. I know I worked on something a long time back that had to get a UUID or something like that.
2017-07-08 22:53 <djphil_> hmm ?
2017-07-08 22:53 <Ubit> well done that on some parts already :)
2017-07-08 22:54 <Ubit> grr and i did it again..  compile.. tp..  start region
2017-07-08 22:54 <Ubit> that does not work  grrr
2017-07-08 22:56 <djphil_> i no understand ...
2017-07-08 22:56 <Ubit> ignore my last text.. just making mistakes here :)
2017-07-08 22:57 <djphil_> kk
2017-07-08 23:09 <Ubit> well changing to actually rate
2017-07-08 23:10 <Ubit> forcing silent doesn' look natural on some collsions
2017-07-08 23:10 <Ubit> look  or better sound :)
2017-07-08 23:11 <Ubit> did i said that 32bits does run faster? :)
2017-07-08 23:12 <Ubit> yeap rate does work better
2017-07-08 23:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #5710 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-08 23:22 <smxy> Getting some interesting results with these DLLs.
2017-07-08 23:22 <Ubit> each breaks its own way? :)
2017-07-08 23:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5710: SUCCESS in 7 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5710/
2017-07-08 23:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: throttle collision sounds on a SOG.
2017-07-08 23:26 <djphil_> Ubit, you know osGetRezzingObject (It gives the uuid of the prim who rezzed it) ?
2017-07-08 23:26 <Ubit> and ?
2017-07-08 23:27 <djphil_> Do you think you can have something to directly get the uuid of the prim that has just been rezzed (to avoid async problems). Something like osGetObjectRezUuid
2017-07-08 23:27 <Ubit> how can i do that if it is async??
2017-07-08 23:28 <djphil_> i mean get the prim rez uuid directly in the loop, without state object_rez(key uuid)
2017-07-08 23:29 <Ubit> in most cases the loop will be over long before the first object starts rezzing
2017-07-08 23:29 <smxy> Ubit: That's just it. No. They all work. 6.8.8 (v4.0 & v4.5), 6.9.9 (v4.0 & v4.5), 6.10.2 (v4.5.2), 7.0.7 (v4.5.1), AND the DLL from the build, that was failing every time, before, until it was replaced and then later put back.
2017-07-08 23:29 <djphil_> rez object is 0.2 latency i think
2017-07-08 23:30 <Ubit> so all work now ??
2017-07-08 23:30 <smxy> Yes. :(
2017-07-08 23:30 <Ubit> btw delete bin/ err something lol
2017-07-08 23:30 <smxy> Nope.
2017-07-08 23:31 <smxy> All I did was remove that dll, replace it with others, then put it back.
2017-07-08 23:31 <Ubit> bin/addin-db-03
2017-07-08 23:31 <Ubit> that should be deleted on any code changes
2017-07-08 23:31 <smxy> hmm?
2017-07-08 23:31 <Ubit> errr
2017-07-08 23:31 <Ubit> bin/addin-db-02
2017-07-08 23:31 <smxy> what, so I really wasn't changing it each time?
2017-07-08 23:32 <Ubit> that is a hard cache of the dlls in bin/
2017-07-08 23:32 <smxy> You said all I had to do was replace the DLL ...
2017-07-08 23:32 <Ubit> i had issues on win
2017-07-08 23:32 <smxy> Now I have to re-run all those tests. Sigh
2017-07-08 23:33 <Ubit> well i do forget things.. and in most cases it is not needed
2017-07-08 23:33 <smxy> Well, I'll re-do them, and blow that away, each time. Will let you know.
2017-07-08 23:33 <Ubit> but i did saw odd things on win until i did delete it ( it is rebuilt on start )
2017-07-08 23:35 <smxy> Hey, at least I just learned something new about OpenSim, eh? :)
2017-07-08 23:35 <Ubit> but strange how it now decided to work fine..  uff
2017-07-08 23:35 <Ubit> don't worry  you will forget it  :p
2017-07-08 23:35 <smxy> No, I actually remember a shit-ton of stuff. I've been hanging out in here and learning from the devs since My of 2009.
2017-07-08 23:36 <smxy> May*
2017-07-08 23:36 <smxy> It's one of the reasons why my grid normally runs damn near perfectly. :)
2017-07-08 23:36 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-08 23:37 <smxy> If I ever retire and decide to learn C#, I bet I could contribute, a little. :)
2017-07-08 23:37 <Plugh> smxy: It is time we start charging you for all the education you are getting.  ;)
2017-07-08 23:37 <smxy> hehehe
2017-07-08 23:38 <smxy> I've found lots of bugs for you over the years. :)
2017-07-08 23:38 <Plugh> That is a big help. 
2017-07-08 23:39 <smxy> Alright, time to re-run these tests.
2017-07-08 23:43 <smxy> Ubit: Ar you sure about that addin dir? I'm looking under Robust's and I see nothing that looks like a MySQL dll
2017-07-08 23:45 <smxy> The only thing under there, not tagged 0.9.1.0 is robust_hg/addin-db-002/addin-data/1/OpenSim.Data,0.5.maddin
2017-07-08 23:45 <smxy> Is that it?
2017-07-08 23:45 <Ubit> don't remember the details now :p
2017-07-08 23:45 <smxy> You're a lotta help ...
2017-07-08 23:46 <Ubit> yeap im :p
2017-07-08 23:46 <Ubit> those things are bin files or whatever
2017-07-08 23:49 <Ubit> ... testsim\bin\OpenSim.Data.MySQL.dll
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2017-07-08 23:49 <Ubit> on one of those files..
2017-07-08 23:50 <Ubit> no idea of what it means.. just it is there :p
2017-07-08 23:50 <smxy> Not for Robust.
2017-07-08 23:50 <Ubit> i did not run robust on that folder.. can't tell
2017-07-08 23:51 <smxy> Anyway, I'll blow away the add-in dir each time I switch the dll.
2017-07-08 23:51 <smxy> I start Robust and one region, for each test.
2017-07-08 23:51 <Ubit> \testsim\bin\Robust.vshost.exe
�����   also there
2017-07-08 23:51 <Ubit> err this vhosts doesn't matter for you
2017-07-08 23:52 <smxy> Yes, in BIN. you said it would be under \bin\add-in* too
2017-07-08 23:52 <Ubit> im looking on one of the files on that add.in*
2017-07-08 23:53 <Ubit> but it may be related or not to yr issue..
2017-07-08 23:53 <Ubit> just it is a folder that should be deleted when changing the bins on bin/
2017-07-08 23:54 <smxy> I don't run my grid that way.
2017-07-08 23:54 <smxy> Nothing writes under bin, EVER
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2017-07-08 23:55 <smxy> It goes elsewhere, along with all my configs. That way I can just swap in a new bin dir and not lose anything.
2017-07-08 23:58 <smxy> This is what my add-in dirs look like: https://pastebin.com/AwJWqSz3
2017-07-08 23:58 <smxy> I don't see anything that looks like the dll. I could be wrong.
2017-07-08 23:59 <Ubit> bin\addin-db-002\addin-dir-data  its on the file in this folder
2017-07-08 23:59 <Ubit> but never mind
2017-07-09 00:00 <Ubit> and on hosts a robust.addins
2017-07-09 00:01 <smxy> You are seeing the addins dir for my robust and a sim
2017-07-09 00:01 <osmantis> Bug #8208:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osGetObjectRezUuid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8208 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2017-07-09 00:02 <smxy> Maybe I am mis-understanding you. Do yu mean I should be looking inside these files? robust_hg/addin-db-002/hosts/Robust.addins and s01/addin-db-002/addin-dir-data/opensim_releases_opensim-ead95e8_bin_8189bb3d.data
2017-07-09 00:02 <Ubit> nooo
2017-07-09 00:03 <Ubit> was just telling it does list the bins on bin/ etc
2017-07-09 00:03 <smxy> NOT the MySQL data dll they don't.
2017-07-09 00:03 <Ubit> yes.. it is there
2017-07-09 00:03 <smxy> You see my loisting.
2017-07-09 00:03 <Ubit> but never mind 
2017-07-09 00:03 <smxy> listing*
2017-07-09 00:04 <smxy> Which entries in my pastebin show that? Perhaps I'm blind.
2017-07-09 00:04 <Ubit> smxy it is inside some binary files there
2017-07-09 00:04 <Ubit> i did past above some of the references and some binary data around..
2017-07-09 00:04 <Ubit> but never mind..
2017-07-09 00:05 <smxy> It was not clear to me that you were pasting the contents of files
2017-07-09 00:05 <Ubit> just keep in mind u may need to delet it if you see odd errors
2017-07-09 00:05 <smxy> okay, then I'll assume it's in there.
2017-07-09 00:05 <smxy> I'm deleting the entire add-in dir between each different dll I try
2017-07-09 00:16 <smxy> Could there be something in the saved simulator state that affects this?
2017-07-09 00:28 <Ubit> don't think so
2017-07-09 00:29 <Ubit> and also no reports of similar issue so far
2017-07-09 00:40 <smxy> Well, I'm stumped. I can't make it fail now.
2017-07-09 00:41 <smxy> Very strange.
2017-07-09 00:41 <smxy> BTW, scripts load a lot faster now, I see. Nice. :)
2017-07-09 00:49 <smxy> Ubit: How do I tell OpenSim that it should put the MeshCache somewhere other than in bin? That appears to be new and I need that to not be created under bin.
2017-07-09 00:50 <smxy> Is the path configurable?
2017-07-09 00:50 <Ubit> hmm nopes
2017-07-09 00:50 <smxy> It needs to be. There are those of us who never allow anything to write under bin.
2017-07-09 00:51 <smxy> I worked hard, with Melanie and BlueWall to make sure that everything could be relocated.
2017-07-09 00:51 <Ubit> oops
2017-07-09 00:51 <Ubit>                       doMeshFileCache = mesh_config.GetBoolean("MeshFileCache", doMeshFileCache);
2017-07-09 00:51 <Ubit>                         cachePath = mesh_config.GetString("MeshFileCachePath", cachePath);
2017-07-09 00:51 <Ubit>                         fcache = mesh_config.GetFloat("MeshFileCacheExpireHours", fcache);
2017-07-09 00:51 <Ubit>                         doCacheExpire = mesh_config.GetBoolean("MeshFileCacheDoExpire", doCacheExpire);
2017-07-09 00:51 <Ubit>            IConfig start_config = config.Configs["Startup"];
2017-07-09 00:51 <Ubit>             string mesher = start_config.GetString("meshing", string.Empty);
2017-07-09 00:52 <smxy> Would you please fix it so that it can be relocated like everything else?
2017-07-09 00:52 <Ubit> it is config after all
2017-07-09 00:52 <smxy> Oh!
2017-07-09 00:52 <Ubit> see pastes above
2017-07-09 00:53 <smxy> Okay, adding a new config to my setup is easy. :)
2017-07-09 00:53 <smxy> That would go in .... [Startup] ?
2017-07-09 00:53 <Ubit> i do forger my own code :p
2017-07-09 00:54 <Ubit> yes
2017-07-09 00:54 <smxy> hehehe
2017-07-09 00:54 <Ubit> well i made that yrs ago
2017-07-09 00:55 <Ubit> well region kinda survives doing true 55fps and 110 ubode physteps
2017-07-09 00:55 <Ubit> just cpu a bit higher and net
2017-07-09 00:56 <Ubit> well nothing new
2017-07-09 00:56 <smxy> cool
2017-07-09 00:56 <Ubit> ages ago i made my fork do 45 all the time.. and later on aurora
2017-07-09 00:57 <Ubit> but i did had to cleanup several hidden 100ms assuptions
2017-07-09 00:57 <Ubit> possible still around
2017-07-09 00:57 <smxy> It never ends, does it? ;)
2017-07-09 00:58 <Ubit> but really no one can expect even slow action at 11fps
2017-07-09 00:58 <Ubit> thats only good for bitssex
2017-07-09 00:58 <Ubit> oops i mean ddancing
2017-07-09 00:59 <smxy> :)
2017-07-09 00:59 <smxy> Am I able to set the name for the MeshCache or is that hard-coded?
2017-07-09 01:00 <Ubit> its the folder name
2017-07-09 01:00 <Ubit> hmm i think
2017-07-09 01:01 <smxy> Oh, the path to it should just end in the name of the cache?
2017-07-09 01:01 <Ubit> cache is a folder
2017-07-09 01:01 <smxy> Okay, so whatever the last part of the path I specify is, that will be the name of the cache.
2017-07-09 01:02 <Ubit> public string cachePath = "MeshCache";
2017-07-09 01:02 <Ubit> cachePath = mesh_config.GetString("MeshFileCachePath", cachePath);
2017-07-09 01:02 <Ubit> full replace
2017-07-09 01:03 <smxy> Great. Thanks!
2017-07-09 01:07 <Ubit> err that cache currently can't be shared
2017-07-09 01:07 <Ubit> bc a control file on it
2017-07-09 01:08 <smxy> I have it such that there will be a separate one per region. :)
2017-07-09 01:08 <smxy> MeshFileCachePath              = ${Environment|var}/meshcache/${Environment|SIM}
2017-07-09 01:10 <Ubit> well test with fire exting..  nearby
2017-07-09 01:11 <smxy> That kind of spec is how I move everything else. :) In this case, for the s01 sim, it comes out to be /opensim/var/meshcache/s01
2017-07-09 01:12 <smxy> But it didn't create it on region start.
2017-07-09 01:12 <Ubit> it didn't ? :(
2017-07-09 01:13 <Ubit> err you know that is ubode and ubMeshmerizer only right ?
2017-07-09 01:13 <smxy> Yes, which I am using. I checked. It still made a MeshCache dir under my bin. Grr.
2017-07-09 01:14 <Ubit> hmm
2017-07-09 01:14 <BillBlight> ubODE .... the only way to physcis ....  :P
2017-07-09 01:15 <smxy> Hi BillBlight! I have a few questions for you.
2017-07-09 01:15 <BillBlight> It was not me , I did not do it, Ubit crashed that boat all on his own ...
2017-07-09 01:15 <smxy> hehehehehe
2017-07-09 01:15 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-09 01:16 <Ubit> oops
2017-07-09 01:16 <Ubit>  IConfig mesh_config = config.Configs["Mesh"];
2017-07-09 01:16 <BillBlight> Btw Ubit, I tamed those settings down a little, still a little extreme, but not where we had it when we were testing .. and sim has been stable , no more crashy crashy ...
2017-07-09 01:17 <Ubit> smxy try puting the path on a section [Mesh]
2017-07-09 01:17 <smxy> Okay, will try that after I pick Bill's brain.
2017-07-09 01:17 <BillBlight> Go easy, not much left ..
2017-07-09 01:17 <Ubit> you have a microscope?
2017-07-09 01:17 <BillBlight> seee
2017-07-09 01:17 <BillBlight> told you
2017-07-09 01:17 <smxy> Bill: Today I compiled Mono 5.4.0.56, then built and am running Dev Master Head with it.
2017-07-09 01:18 <smxy> I haven't used Mono 5 previously.
2017-07-09 01:18 <BillBlight> brave boy, I have not jumpped that far ahead .. 5.2 I think is where I am
2017-07-09 01:19 <smxy> With earlier versions, I set the nursery size to 64M and when I run it I give the --server argument.
2017-07-09 01:19 <BillBlight> Did you see the mem optimizations Ubit and I were discussing in a mantis?  I'll go find it ..
2017-07-09 01:19 <BillBlight> NO NO
2017-07-09 01:19 <BillBlight> do not use --server
2017-07-09 01:19 <Ubit> use --desktop
2017-07-09 01:19 <BillBlight> ^^
2017-07-09 01:20 <BillBlight> --server will blow up your GC to crazy proportions
2017-07-09 01:20 <smxy> Okay, explain WHY please, as that *was* the recommended setting in the past. :)
2017-07-09 01:20 <smxy> ah
2017-07-09 01:20 <Ubit> man why is complex lol
2017-07-09 01:20 <smxy> no, that was a good enough answer, lol
2017-07-09 01:20 <smxy> now, what about the nursery setting?
2017-07-09 01:20 <BillBlight> look here http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177
2017-07-09 01:20 <smxy> looking 
2017-07-09 01:21 <BillBlight> we beat this to death over a couple of days
2017-07-09 01:21 <Ubit> well short and so not totally correct.. opensim is a simulator, not a server
2017-07-09 01:21 <smxy> That's exactly what I was hoping to hear when I went looking for you. :)
2017-07-09 01:21 <OtakuMegane> Pretty sure it's not a desktop either. :P
2017-07-09 01:21 <smxy> hehehehe
2017-07-09 01:22 <Ubit> yeap it is a floorTop in my case
2017-07-09 01:22 <BillBlight> desktop just tells it how to thread , mainly affects the GC in our case ..
2017-07-09 01:22 <OtakuMegane> What does it do by default if you specify nothing?
2017-07-09 01:22 <smxy> Can yoou tell me what settings you finally ended up with, Bill? I'll give them a try.
2017-07-09 01:23 <BillBlight> I think desktop is the default but why risk it ..
2017-07-09 01:23 <OtakuMegane> I never knew about those flags before. But I don't run anything that heavy either, yet.
2017-07-09 01:23 <Ubit> it is relative recent
2017-07-09 01:24 <Ubit> mono answer to ms WorkStation/server
2017-07-09 01:24 <BillBlight> I'm using ubit's from this post but my nursery is either 32m or 64m depending on how BIG the sim is .. LOL, got memory to burn .. http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177#c31980
2017-07-09 01:24 <OtakuMegane> Ah. Well I've been more or less out of OS stuff for a year or more due to other demands. Finding a lot fo catch up on.
2017-07-09 01:24 <OtakuMegane> to*
2017-07-09 01:25 <smxy> There are a ton of notes in that mantis. I was hoping you might tell me exactly what you are using now. :)
2017-07-09 01:25 <BillBlight> although I also had good luck with my overly complicated ones here  (except the nursery size is wrong in that post) http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8177#c31966
2017-07-09 01:25 <smxy> The last thing he said in 8177 was: ulimit -s 262144 <-- for ode and ubdoe
2017-07-09 01:25 <smxy> MONO_GC_PARAMS="minor=split,promotion-age=14"
2017-07-09 01:25 <smxy> mono --desktop OpenSim.exe
2017-07-09 01:25 <BillBlight> let me go grab my exact ones
2017-07-09 01:25 <smxy> thanks
2017-07-09 01:26 <BillBlight> ulimit -s 1048576
2017-07-09 01:26 <BillBlight> export MONO_GC_PARAMS="nursery-size=32m,,promotion-age=14,minor=split,major=marksweep,no-lazy-sweep,alloc-ratio=50"
2017-07-09 01:26 <BillBlight> export MONO_GC_DEBUG=""
2017-07-09 01:26 <BillBlight> export MONO_ENV_OPTIONS="--desktop"
2017-07-09 01:26 <BillBlight> export MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU=350
2017-07-09 01:26 <smxy> OtakuMegane: Better part of two years, for me. It's fun getting caught up though.
2017-07-09 01:26 <BillBlight> oops extra comma in there
2017-07-09 01:26 <BillBlight> after 32m
2017-07-09 01:27 <smxy> okay. I'll start with those, since they are working for you, and go from there. TYVM
2017-07-09 01:27 <BillBlight> those are the settings I use on my physcis heavy racing sim
2017-07-09 01:27 <smxy> OtakuMegane: People just kept dying and leaving me to clean up the mess. Took nearly two years.
2017-07-09 01:28 <smxy> Good to know, Bill. Thanks.
2017-07-09 01:28 <BillBlight> I also nice that to -18 .. I want it to not get bogged down
2017-07-09 01:28 <smxy> Do you nice all your simulators?
2017-07-09 01:29 <BillBlight> yes
2017-07-09 01:29 <smxy> I never thought to do that, heh
2017-07-09 01:29 <BillBlight> I nice them respective of how much expected load they will have
2017-07-09 01:29 <smxy> But they are the only thing running on the server, so does it matter?
2017-07-09 01:29 <BillBlight> well a heavy sim can have it's cpu stolen by several lighter sims, and that sucks
2017-07-09 01:29 <BillBlight> unless it is nice'd
2017-07-09 01:30 <smxy> How do you decide what to nice them too?
2017-07-09 01:30 <BillBlight> years of trial and error
2017-07-09 01:30 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-09 01:30 <BillBlight> and my gut
2017-07-09 01:30 <smxy> That's why I'm picking your brain. :)
2017-07-09 01:32 <BillBlight> Genreally none of my sims get nice'd to -9 or higher, everything is -10 to -18
2017-07-09 01:32 <smxy> Let me try Ubit's [Mesh] section for that setting, and implement your settings, too. Hopefully they'll get my grid up and stable. :)
2017-07-09 01:32 <smxy> OKay
2017-07-09 01:32 <BillBlight> Call it the control freak in me, I want to know that my higher load sims, are given what they need
2017-07-09 01:34 <BillBlight> depending on  your file system I have a few that I also ionice  usually set them 2 , which is best effort ..
2017-07-09 01:36 <smxy> Ubit: Yes, putting that in a [Mesh] section worked. Thanks!
2017-07-09 01:36 <smxy> Running everything on CentOS 7
2017-07-09 01:36 <Ubit> sorry i forgot that before :)
2017-07-09 01:36 <smxy> It
2017-07-09 01:37 <smxy> s fine. An easy fix. Thank you. :)
2017-07-09 01:37 <smxy> Now to make Bill's changes, then talk more about nice. :)
2017-07-09 01:37 <smxy> I've never even *heard* of ionice. :)
2017-07-09 01:38 <BillBlight> changes the IO scheduling priority
2017-07-09 01:39 <smxy> Yes, makes perfect sense. :)
2017-07-09 01:49 <smxy> BillBlight: Thanks for sharing your expertise and knowledge on this. Most appreciated. :)
2017-07-09 01:51 <smxy> I'll have to look up those GC params, so I know what they do.
2017-07-09 01:54 <smxy>  You said depending on filesystem, Bill.
2017-07-09 01:54 <smxy> I actually run all my sims out of a single bin dir, shared aroound via NFS.
2017-07-09 01:54 <BillBlight> I would never do it that way
2017-07-09 01:54 <BillBlight> but ...
2017-07-09 01:54 <BillBlight> to each their own
2017-07-09 01:55 <smxy> Nothing writes to bin. everything writes elsewhere.
2017-07-09 01:55 <smxy> You have a bin per sim?
2017-07-09 01:55 <BillBlight> yes but you have multiple reads and loads hitting a single spot on the disk .. and IMHO that is a bad idea
2017-07-09 01:55 <BillBlight> I have a bin per region/cluster
2017-07-09 01:56 <BillBlight> If I end up with a corrupt bin and can move configs and be back up and running, don't have to take everythign down to upgrade either
2017-07-09 01:56 <smxy> I used to have that and got tired of deploying it 60+ times.
2017-07-09 01:56 <BillBlight> can do rolling updates
2017-07-09 01:56 <BillBlight> I have scripts that deploy all my directories and updates
2017-07-09 01:57 <BillBlight> one command ... and it is ironically ./doall
2017-07-09 01:57 <smxy> I did too. Was still annoying AF. :)
2017-07-09 01:57 <smxy> Mine is generally ./doit. :)
2017-07-09 01:57 <OtakuMegane> I've always done one bin per region/cluster type thing.
2017-07-09 01:57 <BillBlight> so now I can roll updates without taking the whole group of regions down
2017-07-09 01:59 <smxy> I went from the extreme of a bin per region, to a single bin. If I had to, I suppose I could move to a bin per VM and have all regions on that VM share that bin.
2017-07-09 01:59 <OtakuMegane> It ends up being harder for me to manage if I tried that. Also probably unstable with that many regions.
2017-07-09 02:00 <smxy> My grid has been a rock. :)
2017-07-09 02:01 <smxy> But there is *always* room for improvement and I'm always happy to hear how other people do it, as I sometimes change how I do things based on what I learn. :)
2017-07-09 02:01 <smxy> Do you use any virtualization, Bill?
2017-07-09 02:02 <BillBlight> I have 6 servers , and really no issue, and run a rolling update per server by running one command .. shuts downn the sims, updates them, restarts them ... easy peasy
2017-07-09 02:02 <BillBlight> On VM for dev and test boxes
2017-07-09 02:02 <BillBlight> everything else is real iron
2017-07-09 02:03 <smxy> I run everything on CentOS 7, in 16 VMs running on Citrix XenServer on a couple of Dell R810s.
2017-07-09 02:03 <smxy> My storage is three arrays via iSCSI and a smattering of NFS.
2017-07-09 02:04 <OtakuMegane> I have my own server but it's multipurpose so split into vps nodes for easier management and security in case someone else needs their own.
2017-07-09 02:04 <BillBlight> I have a 24 core IBM for my vm, but I prefer real CPU's when I can have them ...    
2017-07-09 02:05 <BillBlight> I use Xen on my IBM, but that is still all the eggs in one basket .. and that terrifies me
2017-07-09 02:05 <smxy> That's why I have two servers and three arrays. :)
2017-07-09 02:05 <BillBlight> right now I could loose half my physical servers and my users may never notice, other than maybe a short downtime 
2017-07-09 02:06 <smxy> Nice
2017-07-09 02:06 <BillBlight> I have a 12 drive SAS array 
2017-07-09 02:06 <BillBlight> servers are in multiple data centers
2017-07-09 02:06 <smxy> I have two 4-drive and one 8-drive
2017-07-09 02:06 <smxy> Hehehe, this is all run out of my house in what used to be the Master Bedroom. :p
2017-07-09 02:07 <BillBlight> My IBM and array sits next to me .. 
2017-07-09 02:07 <BillBlight> along with a baby 8 core IBM server for play time
2017-07-09 02:08 <smxy> This is and has always been a hobby for me. I'm a SysAdmin at work, and this is my home lab, basically. I learn so much from running OpenSim, that benefits me at work, and vice versa.
2017-07-09 02:08 <OtakuMegane> Yeah it's pretty much hobby or non-critical realm for me as well.
2017-07-09 02:10 <smxy> For example, I knew we'd have to move to RHEL 7 and that damned systemd, at work, so I switched my VMs to CentOS 7 and learned how to deal with it so that when the time came to do it at work, it was easy.
2017-07-09 02:10 <smxy> At work, I learned how to set up VLANs, which helped me here.
2017-07-09 02:10 <smxy> It works out well.
2017-07-09 02:10 <BillBlight> It is a hoobby for me, but I am retired/disabled so my hobby is serious .. 
2017-07-09 02:11 <BillBlight> The geek is strong with this one .. https://www.dropbox.com/s/v2o0dwpj8ynkm73/2016-07-29%2014.37.25.jpg?dl=0
2017-07-09 02:11 <BillBlight> I was a sysadmin in telecommunications for 20 years
2017-07-09 02:11 <smxy> AT&T?
2017-07-09 02:11 <BillBlight> No various CLECs
2017-07-09 02:12 <BillBlight> and the occasional ISP
2017-07-09 02:13 <smxy> I worked for AT&T Microelectronics, then AT&T Bell Labs Research and later Lucent Bell Labs Research. My day-to-day end users were the guys who wrote UNIX, C, AWK, etc..
2017-07-09 02:13 <BillBlight> Very cool
2017-07-09 02:13 <smxy> You did NOT ask them dumb questions. :)
2017-07-09 02:13 <BillBlight> We just converted entire states 911 networks from analog to SIP .. LOL :P
2017-07-09 02:13 <smxy> (So I always asked someone else, LOL)
2017-07-09 02:14 <smxy> Nice
2017-07-09 02:14 <smxy> Nice man cave, too
2017-07-09 02:14 <BillBlight> so this is where my "I am not gonna put all my eggs in one basket" phillosophy came from
2017-07-09 02:15 <BillBlight> Distribute the load , and that distribution also gives you redundancy when needed in an emergency
2017-07-09 02:15 <smxy> yup
2017-07-09 02:15 <BillBlight> if you are running vm's be sure to install haveged
2017-07-09 02:16 <smxy> Hmm?
2017-07-09 02:17 <smxy> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16941610/File%20Jun%2023%2C%2010%2039%2004%20PM.jpeg
2017-07-09 02:17 <BillBlight> Nice setup
2017-07-09 02:17 <smxy> Thanks. :)
2017-07-09 02:18 <BillBlight> I used to have those same shelves ...
2017-07-09 02:18 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-09 02:18 <BillBlight> NICE AC UNIT
2017-07-09 02:18 <smxy> Clearly, I'm single. No SO would tolerate me doing that to the Master Bedroom. :P
2017-07-09 02:18 <BillBlight> I need one of those
2017-07-09 02:18 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-09 02:18 <BillBlight> Other half would kill me
2017-07-09 02:19 <OtakuMegane> I could not tolerate that kinda noise. My PC is quiet by most standards and it still bugs me at times.
2017-07-09 02:19 <BillBlight> Server sounds are soothing
2017-07-09 02:19 <BillBlight> at least to me
2017-07-09 02:19 <smxy> Oh, it's actually really quiet.
2017-07-09 02:19 <smxy> And I agree with Bill.
2017-07-09 02:19 <BillBlight> I have tinitis so the drone of the servers drown out the ringing in my ears
2017-07-09 02:20 <smxy> Me too!
2017-07-09 02:20 <OtakuMegane> It can be a nice noise. I rather enjoy visiting datacenters. But not when I'm trying to sleep. :)
2017-07-09 02:20 <smxy> Oh, I don't sleep in there.
2017-07-09 02:20 <OtakuMegane> lol
2017-07-09 02:20 <smxy> I sleep upstairs and I can't hear it at all.
2017-07-09 02:20 <smxy> I barely hear it when I'm downstairs, for that matter.
2017-07-09 02:21 <BillBlight> I sleep in my office sometims in the recliner ..
2017-07-09 02:21 <smxy> It's behind a closed door, so it stays cat-free.
2017-07-09 02:21 <smxy> My office (I work from home) is upstairs. That's where I am now.
2017-07-09 02:22 <OtakuMegane> Once having my own place I would likely build a server room in the garage or basement. Install a proper rack, etc.
2017-07-09 02:22 <smxy> Okay, so I looked up haveged. I'm not sure I understand what its purpose is and why I need it.
2017-07-09 02:22 <OtakuMegane> Wire the house with cat6 and fiber. :D
2017-07-09 02:22 <BillBlight> I built a rack .. Menards harware is a mile away ... LOL
2017-07-09 02:22 <smxy> Garage or basement are too dusty.
2017-07-09 02:23 <BillBlight> basments you have to watch the humidity
2017-07-09 02:23 <Plugh> smxy: What memory issue were running in to?
2017-07-09 02:23 <OtakuMegane> Isolated room with ac/filtering
2017-07-09 02:23 <smxy> Ones apparently caused by the fact that I needed to give Mono the --dektop option instead of the --server option, now. :)
2017-07-09 02:24 <BillBlight> yeah that will calm the GC down
2017-07-09 02:24 <smxy> --desktop
2017-07-09 02:24 <Plugh> um... ok. I haven't used mono with either of those options.
2017-07-09 02:24 <BillBlight> desktop is the default
2017-07-09 02:24 <smxy> Then Bill kindly shared his updated Mono settings, which I've switched to from what I had used for years.
2017-07-09 02:24 <Ubit> you can't on mono 3x plugh
2017-07-09 02:25 <BillBlight> All I can say is they work much better for me ... on mono 5x
2017-07-09 02:25 <Ubit> you need a recent one
2017-07-09 02:25 <BillBlight> But I am running Ubuntu/Debian so your mileage may vary ..
2017-07-09 02:25 <OtakuMegane> Speaking of mono settings... is MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU still a thing?
2017-07-09 02:25 <BillBlight> yes
2017-07-09 02:26 <smxy> I was using 2048
2017-07-09 02:26 <OtakuMegane> Ok. Updating my start scripts and want to make sure I'm not messing with stuff I don't need to.
2017-07-09 02:26 <BillBlight> ack
2017-07-09 02:26 <BillBlight> that is a LOT
2017-07-09 02:26 <BillBlight> too many
2017-07-09 02:26 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-09 02:26 <smxy> Now I use your setting. :)
2017-07-09 02:26 <smxy> That's what I'd been told to use before.
2017-07-09 02:26 <Ubit> ( bill was also using 2048 :p )
2017-07-09 02:26 <BillBlight> I think the old was 150 , which I found a bit anemic for modern CPUs ...
2017-07-09 02:26 <Plugh> that is the setting I've been told to use.
2017-07-09 02:26 <OtakuMegane> Mine are set for 500 but I don't run anything heavy yet.
2017-07-09 02:26 <smxy> Times change. :)
2017-07-09 02:26 <Plugh> its what is on a wiki page, IIRC
2017-07-09 02:27 <Ubit> well if i remember well :)
2017-07-09 02:27 <OtakuMegane> Way, way back it was only 75 :)
2017-07-09 02:27 <smxy> I remember that.
2017-07-09 02:27 <Plugh> OS uses a lot of threads
2017-07-09 02:27 <Ubit> 75 on idlle
2017-07-09 02:27 <OtakuMegane> Yes. Yes it does. OS is a kitty. :D
2017-07-09 02:27 <Ubit> 300 on a small 1000k prims select
2017-07-09 02:27 <BillBlight> eeek .. wow you guys are hammering that shit ... I mean I don't think it will hurt unless you have a hung threads and then well say bye bye to your CPU's for a bit
2017-07-09 02:27 <Ubit> oops 1k 
2017-07-09 02:28 <smxy> I'm looking to get better performance out of my regions, so I'm up for learning and making changes.
2017-07-09 02:28 <BillBlight> I mean those large numbers are ok if you are not running a bunch of regions
2017-07-09 02:28 <Ubit> Framework main threadpool
2017-07-09 02:28 <Ubit> workers:    0 (1000 / 8)
2017-07-09 02:28 <Ubit> Completion: 0 (1000 / 8)
2017-07-09 02:28 <Ubit> Threadpool (excluding script engine pools)
2017-07-09 02:28 <Ubit> Thread pool used           : SmartThreadPool
2017-07-09 02:28 <BillBlight> or I should say instances
2017-07-09 02:28 <Ubit> Max threads                : 300
2017-07-09 02:28 <Ubit> Min threads                : 2
2017-07-09 02:28 <Ubit> Allocated threads          : 6
2017-07-09 02:28 <Ubit> In use threads             : 3
2017-07-09 02:28 <Ubit> Work items waiting         : 0
2017-07-09 02:28 <Ubit> Total process threads active: 71
2017-07-09 02:28 <Plugh> smxy: Perhaps you could write up what you are learning so it can be on a wiki page or something somewhere.
2017-07-09 02:29 <BillBlight> oh that is diff Ubit
2017-07-09 02:29 <Ubit> we are back to 70 threads :P
2017-07-09 02:29 <BillBlight> that isnot what we were talkign about
2017-07-09 02:29 <Ubit> ops
2017-07-09 02:29 <OtakuMegane> I have 7 instances running. Used to be more.
2017-07-09 02:29 <BillBlight> were were talking about the env option for mono
2017-07-09 02:29 <Plugh> I'm running a lot of instances.
2017-07-09 02:29 <Ubit> i know
2017-07-09 02:29 <Ubit> threads per cpu
2017-07-09 02:29 <smxy> I run regions and sims 1:1
2017-07-09 02:30 <Ubit> otaky said opensim used to use only 70.. well it uses 71 now
2017-07-09 02:30 <OtakuMegane> Most of the "active" regions I run 1:1. I have 3 instances that are just ocean/buffer though. Empty and idle.
2017-07-09 02:30 <Plugh> The best way to run OS seems to keep changing and the wiki pages never keep track.
2017-07-09 02:30 <Ubit> ( 2 regions and im there
2017-07-09 02:30 <smxy> No, he said we used to se max threads per cpu to 75
2017-07-09 02:31 <Ubit> well why do we start linux with 32 threads on reserve on smartpool and only 2 on windoes ??
2017-07-09 02:31 <Plugh> If we don't need 2048 for threads what value should be used? With what version will it make a difference.
2017-07-09 02:31 <Plugh> ?
2017-07-09 02:31 <Ubit> linux :
2017-07-09 02:31 <Ubit> Min threads                : 32
2017-07-09 02:31 <Ubit> Allocated threads          : 32
2017-07-09 02:31 <Ubit> In use threads             : 2
2017-07-09 02:31 <Ubit> Work items waiting         : 0
2017-07-09 02:31 <Ubit> Total process threads active: 86
2017-07-09 02:31 <BillBlight> that env varible is per physical core so say set to 350 and you have 8 cores that is 2800
2017-07-09 02:32 <Ubit>  so actually only 56
2017-07-09 02:32 <BillBlight> ramework main threadpool
2017-07-09 02:32 <BillBlight> workers:    0 (1000 / 400)
2017-07-09 02:32 <BillBlight> Completion: 0 (2000 / 400)
2017-07-09 02:32 <BillBlight> Threadpool (excluding script engine pools)
2017-07-09 02:32 <BillBlight> Thread pool used           : SmartThreadPool
2017-07-09 02:32 <BillBlight> Max threads                : 1200
2017-07-09 02:32 <BillBlight> Min threads                : 60
2017-07-09 02:32 <BillBlight> Allocated threads          : 60
2017-07-09 02:32 <BillBlight> In use threads             : 2
2017-07-09 02:32 <BillBlight> Work items waiting         : 0
2017-07-09 02:32 <BillBlight> Total process threads active: 160
2017-07-09 02:32 <Ubit> why 60 on reserve ??
2017-07-09 02:32 <BillBlight> hmm
2017-07-09 02:32 <BillBlight> may have been an old setting  .. need to go clean that up
2017-07-09 02:32 <BillBlight> I never noticed
2017-07-09 02:32 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-09 02:33 <Ubit> we set only 2 on windoes
2017-07-09 02:33 <Ubit> i may increase it a bit
2017-07-09 02:33 <Ubit> not 32.. much less 60
2017-07-09 02:33 <Plugh> That list of settings is from the OS console? I haven't been looking that much at the settings.
2017-07-09 02:33 <OtakuMegane> I usually just ask around or check wiki for these kind of settings. Then I get lazy about keeping them up to date lol.
2017-07-09 02:33 <Ubit> is linux bad on threads creation ?
2017-07-09 02:34 <BillBlight> No not at all .. but I think I changed when we were testing
2017-07-09 02:34 <BillBlight> and never set it back
2017-07-09 02:34 <Ubit> bc i also dont understand why we set 32 on defaults
2017-07-09 02:34 <BillBlight> Plugh show threads
2017-07-09 02:35 <Ubit> not settings... its stats
2017-07-09 02:35 <Plugh> ok. I just remembered I can't access the region consoles.
2017-07-09 02:35 <BillBlight> well it is stats based on your settings ... :Pp
2017-07-09 02:36 <Ubit> ppl  threads are suposed to have some workjobs on queue
2017-07-09 02:36 <Ubit> we are not suposed to issue a thread per each workjob 
2017-07-09 02:36 <BillBlight> :P
2017-07-09 02:37 <Ubit> they will only park on the next lock(..)
2017-07-09 02:37 <smxy> Ubit wants to make OpenSim single-threaded.
2017-07-09 02:37 <BillBlight> I was wondering about that
2017-07-09 02:37 <Plugh> One of my instances shows the following in the .log file
2017-07-09 02:37 <Plugh> Main threadpool (excluding script engine pools)
2017-07-09 02:37 <Plugh> Thread pool used           : SmartThreadPool
2017-07-09 02:37 <Plugh> Max threads                : 300
2017-07-09 02:37 <Plugh> Min threads                : 2
2017-07-09 02:37 <Plugh> Allocated threads          : 2
2017-07-09 02:37 <Plugh> In use threads             : 0
2017-07-09 02:37 <Plugh> Work items waiting         : 0
2017-07-09 02:37 <BillBlight> I never have anything waiting unless Ubit is crashing a boat
2017-07-09 02:37 <BillBlight> :P
2017-07-09 02:37 <Plugh> hehe
2017-07-09 02:37 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-09 02:38 <smxy> Or flying one at 80m. :)
2017-07-09 02:38 <Plugh> What impact will be noticed by reducing the thread env setting for mono?
2017-07-09 02:38 <Ubit> i did remove a huge threads creation thing
2017-07-09 02:38 <Ubit> now a avatar can only issue a thread
2017-07-09 02:38 <Ubit> not 300
2017-07-09 02:38 <BillBlight> I still need to figure out what this NPC thing is doing to my regions ... 
2017-07-09 02:38 <Ubit> ( well main thread.. there are others )
2017-07-09 02:38 <BillBlight> and make Ubit fix it
2017-07-09 02:39 <BillBlight> :P
2017-07-09 02:40 <Ubit> Framework main threadpool
2017-07-09 02:40 <Ubit> workers:    0 (1000 / 8)
2017-07-09 02:40 <Ubit> Completion: 0 (1000 / 8)
2017-07-09 02:40 <Ubit> this are sniky
2017-07-09 02:40 <Ubit> always 0..  but they are there...
2017-07-09 02:42 <BillBlight> well all I can say is my physical boats run great ... and I of course give Ubit a heart attack by not setting every thing to shape NONE ... (most but not all, gotta have my bumper boats)
2017-07-09 02:42 <BillBlight> ramework main threadpool
2017-07-09 02:42 <BillBlight> workers:    0 (1000 / 400)
2017-07-09 02:42 <BillBlight> Completion: 0 (2000 / 400)
2017-07-09 02:42 <BillBlight> Threadpool (excluding script engine pools)
2017-07-09 02:42 <BillBlight> Thread pool used           : SmartThreadPool
2017-07-09 02:42 <BillBlight> Max threads                : 1200
2017-07-09 02:42 <BillBlight> Min threads                : 60
2017-07-09 02:42 <BillBlight> Allocated threads          : 60
2017-07-09 02:42 <BillBlight> In use threads             : 2
2017-07-09 02:42 <BillBlight> Work items waiting         : 0
2017-07-09 02:42 <BillBlight> Total process threads active: 160
2017-07-09 02:42 <BillBlight> oops
2017-07-09 02:42 <BillBlight> that was an oopsy
2017-07-09 02:42 <Plugh> I'm not aware of any problem with using threads of 2048 to run regions the servers I'm running. 
2017-07-09 02:43 <BillBlight> I keep forgetting that I have an extra button on my mouse mapped to "paste"
2017-07-09 02:43 <smxy> hehe
2017-07-09 02:43 <Ubit> you don't see the costs of threads..
2017-07-09 02:43 <Plugh> Isn't middle mouse sometimes paste?
2017-07-09 02:43 <Ubit> but they are there
2017-07-09 02:43 <BillBlight> sometimes it is .. MS mice used to be that way I think
2017-07-09 02:43 <Plugh> I'll ask again then. What difference, if any, will I see by reducing the number for the mono thread env var?
2017-07-09 02:44 <BillBlight> if you are not running a lot of regions, most likely none
2017-07-09 02:44 <smxy> Define a lot.
2017-07-09 02:44 <BillBlight> IF you run a lot of instances, you may find they work better together
2017-07-09 02:44 <Plugh> What about up to 125 regions?
2017-07-09 02:44 <BillBlight> in how many instances?
2017-07-09 02:44 <BillBlight> I said regions I meant instances
2017-07-09 02:44 <Plugh> 125
2017-07-09 02:44 <Ubit> 125 regions on a box ?
2017-07-09 02:44 <BillBlight> ohhh
2017-07-09 02:44 <Ubit> lollll
2017-07-09 02:44 <BillBlight> ouch
2017-07-09 02:44 <Plugh> one region per instance.
2017-07-09 02:45 <smxy> I run one region per simulator
2017-07-09 02:45 <BillBlight> how many cores?
2017-07-09 02:45 <Plugh> 12
2017-07-09 02:45 <BillBlight> ok so even at 200 that is 2400 threads
2017-07-09 02:45 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-09 02:46 <BillBlight> how many threads you think you need
2017-07-09 02:46 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-09 02:46 <BillBlight> THREADS PER CPU
2017-07-09 02:46 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-09 02:46 <Plugh> But is OS using them or not? I keep hearing OS is thread heavy so it seems that we should have a high env number.
2017-07-09 02:47 <BillBlight> what you will find if you have a crash situation, one instance can eat up a TON of cpu if it has too many threads allocated
2017-07-09 02:47 <BillBlight> and cause bad shit to happen
2017-07-09 02:47 <smxy> That's "bad shit (tm)", you mean. :p
2017-07-09 02:47 <Plugh> I don't recall having a region crash 
2017-07-09 02:47 <Ubit> Threadpool (excluding script engine pools)
2017-07-09 02:47 <Ubit> Thread pool used           : SmartThreadPool
2017-07-09 02:47 <Ubit> Max threads                : 300
2017-07-09 02:47 <Ubit> Min threads                : 2
2017-07-09 02:47 <Ubit> Allocated threads          : 4
2017-07-09 02:47 <Plugh> The regions are pretty well behaved.
2017-07-09 02:47 <Ubit> In use threads             : 2
2017-07-09 02:47 <Ubit> Work items waiting         : 0
2017-07-09 02:47 <Ubit> Total process threads active: 61
2017-07-09 02:48 <Ubit> one region on windows...  me there
2017-07-09 02:48 <Plugh> Ubit, isn't that confusing? allocated 4, in use 2, but total active is 61?
2017-07-09 02:48 <Ubit> wel almost no scripts
2017-07-09 02:48 <BillBlight> ok if your max threads in your config is 2000 then on a 12 core machine you would only need around 180 per core to satisfy that instance
2017-07-09 02:48 <Ubit> plugh.. there are several pools...
2017-07-09 02:49 <Ubit> Threadpool (excluding script engine pools)
2017-07-09 02:49 <Ubit> this the main pool
2017-07-09 02:49 <Plugh> I have some script heavy regions.
2017-07-09 02:49 <Ubit> then there is the scripts pool
2017-07-09 02:49 <BillBlight> but I always double what I need
2017-07-09 02:49 <Ubit> then there is the http send pool
2017-07-09 02:49 <Ubit> then there is....
2017-07-09 02:49 <Ubit> still tons of threads
2017-07-09 02:50 <Ubit> ah and the list before that
2017-07-09 02:50 <BillBlight> right but say 350 on a 12 cor machine gives you 4200 threads
2017-07-09 02:51 <Ubit> did i said 32bit is so cool ?
2017-07-09 02:51 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-09 02:51 <BillBlight> 2048 would give you 24576 threads .. now let's assume that region crashes bad .. now it has all those threads it COULD consume
2017-07-09 02:51 <Ubit> MEMORY STATISTICS
2017-07-09 02:51 <Ubit> Heap allocated to OpenSim   : 16 MB
2017-07-09 02:51 <Ubit> Last heap allocation rate   : 0.047 MB/s
2017-07-09 02:51 <Ubit> Average heap allocation rate: 0.045 MB/s
2017-07-09 02:51 <Ubit> Process memory:      Physical 92 MB      Paged 71 MB     Virtual 334 MB
2017-07-09 02:51 <Ubit> Peak process memory: Physical 120 MB     Paged 102 MB    Virtual 348 MB
2017-07-09 02:51 <Plugh> Are we expected to go in to every region console to determine how many threads is being used by each instance then round up the number from the instance with the highest thread count?
2017-07-09 02:51 <BillBlight> yeah yeah , screw you and your 32bit ... LOL
2017-07-09 02:51 <Ubit> well a 3x almost emptu region
2017-07-09 02:52 <Plugh> hehe
2017-07-09 02:52 <Ubit> yeah yeahh  you would like to have it on unbutu :p
2017-07-09 02:52 <Ubit> and ubuntu
2017-07-09 02:52 <smxy> BillBlight: Do you by chance use the setting that GCs as the scripts are loaded? I wondered about that one. It was new to me.
2017-07-09 02:53 <Ubit> actually can still compare
2017-07-09 02:53 <BillBlight> Well, at some point, I did that ...  I over time have kind of got in my head what busy region uses comparted to a non busy region ... Opensim is not a one size fits all kind of thing , but you can use it that way ..
2017-07-09 02:53 <Ubit> running almost same oar on linux and win
2017-07-09 02:55 <BillBlight> CompactMemOnLoad = false nope
2017-07-09 02:55 <smxy> I might try it, once I'm sure this is stable.
2017-07-09 02:55 <Ubit> that is now kinda obsolete
2017-07-09 02:55 <smxy> Oh?
2017-07-09 02:55 <Ubit> was with server mode
2017-07-09 02:55 <BillBlight> Yeah does not do anything anymore I think  
2017-07-09 02:56 <Ubit> without  regions mem use after load was damm high
2017-07-09 02:56 <Ubit> with workstation / desktop, GC does cleanup a lot better
2017-07-09 02:56 <BillBlight> Most of my servers have 32g or more so I never worry till normal memory usage stays at 80% .. Unused memory is wasted memory
2017-07-09 02:56 <Ubit> well i stil use it..  but its also slow
2017-07-09 02:57 <Ubit> ( it still frees a bit more memory.. but not as before )
2017-07-09 02:57 <smxy> Someone messed up something at OSgrid, somewhere along the line: 22:53:56 - [SCENE]: Unable to parse Uri //profiles.osgrid,org/profile.php/ for CreatorID //profiles.osgrid,org/profile.php/;Greybeard Thinker
2017-07-09 02:58 <smxy> I see two commas that should be periods.
2017-07-09 03:00 <Ubit> hmm profiles also bad at lbsa
2017-07-09 03:00 <Ubit> well grey one other worked
2017-07-09 03:01 <Ubit> yeap working
2017-07-09 03:01 <smxy> My grid is *almost* up.
2017-07-09 03:01 <Ubit> but grey did fail
2017-07-09 03:01 <Ubit> ahh mem use linux win.. lets see
2017-07-09 03:01 <smxy> yes, it should be osgrid.org not osgrid,org
2017-07-09 03:02 <Ubit> linux :
2017-07-09 03:02 <Ubit> MEMORY STATISTICS
2017-07-09 03:02 <Ubit> Heap allocated to OpenSim   : 39 MB
2017-07-09 03:02 <Ubit> Last heap allocation rate   : 0 MB/s
2017-07-09 03:02 <Ubit> Average heap allocation rate: 0.001 MB/s
2017-07-09 03:02 <Ubit> Process memory:      Physical 183 MB     Paged 0 MB      Virtual 5469 MB
2017-07-09 03:02 <Ubit> Peak process memory: Physical 270 MB     Paged 0 MB      Virtual 5534 MB
2017-07-09 03:02 <Ubit> ...
2017-07-09 03:02 <Plugh> If 2048 thread value isn't what people should be using someone needs to update the page where that value is specified and provide a method for determining what value should be used.
2017-07-09 03:02 <Ubit> MEMORY STATISTICS
2017-07-09 03:02 <Ubit> Heap allocated to OpenSim   : 39 MB
2017-07-09 03:02 <Ubit> Last heap allocation rate   : 0 MB/s
2017-07-09 03:02 <Ubit> Average heap allocation rate: 0.001 MB/s
2017-07-09 03:02 <Ubit> Process memory:      Physical 183 MB     Paged 0 MB      Virtual 5469 MB
2017-07-09 03:02 <Ubit> Peak process memory: Physical 270 MB     Paged 0 MB      Virtual 5534 MB
2017-07-09 03:02 <Ubit> win32 :p
2017-07-09 03:02 <Ubit> oops that is linux again
2017-07-09 03:03 <Ubit> MEMORY STATISTICS
2017-07-09 03:03 <Ubit> Heap allocated to OpenSim   : 16 MB
2017-07-09 03:03 <Ubit> Last heap allocation rate   : 0.009 MB/s
2017-07-09 03:03 <Ubit> Average heap allocation rate: 0.014 MB/s
2017-07-09 03:03 <Ubit> Process memory:      Physical 86 MB      Paged 68 MB     Virtual 328 MB
2017-07-09 03:03 <Ubit> Peak process memory: Physical 113 MB     Paged 96 MB     Virtual 346 MB
2017-07-09 03:03 <Ubit> ok better now
2017-07-09 03:03 <Plugh> Ubit, you don't rmeember if you are using win32 or Linux?  :P
2017-07-09 03:03 <Ubit> same oar region
2017-07-09 03:03 <Ubit> win32 is there <----
2017-07-09 03:03 <smxy> You Windows people can just bite me, okay? :p
2017-07-09 03:03 <Ubit> bill's linux   thereee -->
2017-07-09 03:03 <BillBlight> It is not going to HURT, unless there is a bad situation ..   And it works for me, but not really going to advocate change ..
2017-07-09 03:04 <BillBlight> big deal, I got RAM to burn
2017-07-09 03:04 <BillBlight> :P
2017-07-09 03:04 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-09 03:04 <Plugh> same here. 128G RAM
2017-07-09 03:04 <BillBlight> yes but how many VM's
2017-07-09 03:04 <Plugh> none
2017-07-09 03:04 <BillBlight> oh ok you good
2017-07-09 03:04 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-09 03:04 <BillBlight> :P
2017-07-09 03:05 <Plugh> :)
2017-07-09 03:05 <BillBlight> I have 6 servers from 32gig to 64gig and my IBM with 256gig
2017-07-09 03:05 <Plugh> Highest load on any core is about 38%. About half are around 30% and the rest are closer to the 15 to 20 range.
2017-07-09 03:05 <smxy> I have 128G RAM in both of my servers and both have 24 cores each (48, with hyperthreading).
2017-07-09 03:05 <BillBlight> soooo ram is not normally an issue unless something runs away on me
2017-07-09 03:05 <BillBlight> ohh
2017-07-09 03:05 <BillBlight> turn off HT
2017-07-09 03:06 <BillBlight> ugg
2017-07-09 03:06 <BillBlight> HT is bad for servers   (in my experience)
2017-07-09 03:06 <Plugh> Robust has a habit of running away with memory.
2017-07-09 03:06 <BillBlight> HT is just time slicing, and that is baaaddddd
2017-07-09 03:06 <Ubit> ht is bad for almost anything
2017-07-09 03:06 <smxy> UNIX/Linux is just time-slicing. :p
2017-07-09 03:06 <Ubit> win7 parks those fake cores
2017-07-09 03:07 <Ubit> until its 100% loaded and they don't matter anymore :)
2017-07-09 03:07 <BillBlight> yes but when the OS time slices, it knows about it .. when a physical core time slices, the OS has no control over it ..
2017-07-09 03:07 <Ubit> not win7
2017-07-09 03:07 <BillBlight> fuck win7
2017-07-09 03:07 <BillBlight> :P
2017-07-09 03:07 <BillBlight> sorry
2017-07-09 03:07 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-09 03:07 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-09 03:07 <smxy> heehee
2017-07-09 03:08 <BillBlight> no I like win7 
2017-07-09 03:08 <Ubit> as i said it ignores those cores
2017-07-09 03:08 <BillBlight> just gotta beat Ubit up
2017-07-09 03:08 <smxy> I prefer 7 to 10, myself.
2017-07-09 03:08 <Ubit> one has do dig deep in intel site
2017-07-09 03:08 <BillBlight> 10 tweaked, runs better than 7 .. .. and that was hard for me to admit
2017-07-09 03:08 <OtakuMegane> Depends on the usage I guess. In server world I do hear a lot about just disabling HT. It tends to help a lot in the PC world apparently.
2017-07-09 03:08 <Ubit> to find a doc where they actually explain hyperthreads
2017-07-09 03:09 <BillBlight> yes in desktop environment HT is fine
2017-07-09 03:09 <smxy> I'll add it to my list of things to reasearch further and at least consider. ;)
2017-07-09 03:09 <Ubit> and say that in same cases it does reduce performance
2017-07-09 03:09 <BillBlight> but not where every nano second counts
2017-07-09 03:09 <BillBlight> Look at this way, voluntary or involuntary lobotomy ... LOL
2017-07-09 03:10 <Ubit> bc they only run when main core task is iddle waiting for something
2017-07-09 03:10 <OtakuMegane> I don't think I ever disabled it on my server but I go by the rule of 50% regular resource usage. ABove that and it's time for another server. I don't know that I've ever maxed the whole thing before.
2017-07-09 03:10 <Ubit> and worse it may also stall the main task
2017-07-09 03:10 <BillBlight> I go by the 80/60 rule as we used to call it
2017-07-09 03:10 <smxy> I don't want another server. MY electric bill is already $250 a month, heh.
2017-07-09 03:10 <BillBlight> 80% ram / 60% CPU time to add more
2017-07-09 03:11 <Ubit> if main task is free to run, the ht stops
2017-07-09 03:11 <Ubit> that means that a OS thread giving to that HT core may never run at all
2017-07-09 03:11 <BillBlight> yes that is true
2017-07-09 03:11 <Ubit> in the ideal case of the main one never stall
2017-07-09 03:11 <BillBlight> but I prefer to take the option away for my processes to be timesliced
2017-07-09 03:12 <BillBlight> by HT
2017-07-09 03:12 <BillBlight> One of those things, don't need it, don't want to use it, turn it off
2017-07-09 03:12 <Ubit> well guess linux kernel is also clever now and does not use them
2017-07-09 03:13 <Ubit> except when already lost under load
2017-07-09 03:13 <smxy> So, if I turn it off, then I need to cut the # of vCPUs per VM by 50%, yes?
2017-07-09 03:13 <BillBlight> I don't think so
2017-07-09 03:13 <BillBlight> Xen time slices not the cpu
2017-07-09 03:13 <smxy> I'll have more vCPUs in play than physical.
2017-07-09 03:14 <BillBlight> you mean your server shows the HT cores as alocatable to a machine as a vcore?
2017-07-09 03:14 <BillBlight> eek
2017-07-09 03:14 <smxy> I know I can over-commit to some extent, but I'm not sure by how much.
2017-07-09 03:14 <BillBlight> I think 3x
2017-07-09 03:14 <BillBlight> it might be 2x
2017-07-09 03:14 <smxy> Yes, Xen sees each server as having 48 cores.
2017-07-09 03:15 <BillBlight> uggh
2017-07-09 03:15 <BillBlight> I would never allow that, but that is just me
2017-07-09 03:15 <BillBlight> because half of those come out of the gate stealing from someone
2017-07-09 03:16 <smxy> I'm not a hardware guy, so why would I ever think that it was bad?
2017-07-09 03:16 <BillBlight> the HT cores have to get their physcial space from somewhere, so where do you think it comes from
2017-07-09 03:16 <BillBlight> it comes from one of the other cpu's
2017-07-09 03:16 <Ubit> specially with all pub from intel telling how great that is.. bahh
2017-07-09 03:17 <BillBlight> so an HT core is robbing the other cores to cosplay a real core
2017-07-09 03:17 <BillBlight> so you are gaining  the appearance of more cores, but no real gain in power
2017-07-09 03:17 <Ubit> hmm i did lost the url of that intel doc
2017-07-09 03:17 <smxy> yes, I assumed it was timeslicing. Timeslicing isn'ta bad thing in my experience, at least with the Operating system and software running on it. so when the server can do it to, and does by default, I assume it is a useful thing.
2017-07-09 03:18 <Ubit> it is not timeslice smxy is worse
2017-07-09 03:18 <Ubit> each core has a main and a HT thing
2017-07-09 03:18 <BillBlight> but since Xen lets you over commit, what do you think happens when you over commit a HT core .. might as well slap a 486 in there
2017-07-09 03:18 <Ubit> the HT thing only runs when the main Stalls waiting for a mem access or similar
2017-07-09 03:19 <smxy> I haven't overcommited. I use less than 48 on each server.
2017-07-09 03:19 <Ubit> so in theory it can really never run at all
2017-07-09 03:19 <BillBlight> Yes it has and HT bridge/coprocessor or whatever they call it .. but there is no extra data processing paths only access to virtual ones
2017-07-09 03:20 <smxy> Clearly, I have more to learn. :)
2017-07-09 03:21 <BillBlight> smxy there are may schools of thougth on this .. but most old school server guys will laugh at you if you run HT on a server .. Just saying ... LOL :P
2017-07-09 03:21 <Ubit> they could instead had used that silicon to increase shadow registers and  mmu cache tables etc
2017-07-09 03:21 <Ubit> that would be real use
2017-07-09 03:21 <BillBlight> EXACTLY Ubit
2017-07-09 03:21 <BillBlight> but it was all Marketing .. 
2017-07-09 03:21 <Ubit> yeap
2017-07-09 03:22 <BillBlight> Looky here we can sell you a 4 core as an 8core HT
2017-07-09 03:22 <smxy> I'm not saying it isn't, but if it were such a bad thing, then why do servers even have it, and have it on by default?
2017-07-09 03:22 <Ubit> yeah and looking to task manager ... 4 graphics flat at zero use :p
2017-07-09 03:23 <Ubit> the other 4 doing the 5% load of my box now
2017-07-09 03:23 <BillBlight> because it some types of environments it does not hurt
2017-07-09 03:23 <Ubit> yeap win7 for example as i just said ignores them
2017-07-09 03:24 <Ubit> on.. there.. not used
2017-07-09 03:24 <Ubit> only if load of the box reachs 90 or so, win7 gives them work
2017-07-09 03:25 <BillBlight> my main box is a dual x5650 .. and for what I use it for I can actually tell my forground apps run slower if HT is on ..
2017-07-09 03:25 <Ubit> yeahh linux is baddd
2017-07-09 03:25 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-09 03:26 <OtakuMegane> Ohh, someone else running a Westmere. Mine is a dual x5670
2017-07-09 03:26 <BillBlight> hehe
2017-07-09 03:26 <Ubit> err what is the top option to list the all cpus ?
2017-07-09 03:26 <Ubit> err im on VM :p
2017-07-09 03:27 <smxy> Back in about 15 minutes or so. Need to feed my cats before they start gnawing on me. :)
2017-07-09 03:27 <Ubit> ahh it  is 1
2017-07-09 03:28 <Ubit> hmm well vm .. no usefull info i guess
2017-07-09 03:28 <Ubit> i do see 8 cpus in use.. but.. meaninless
2017-07-09 03:29 <BillBlight> Ubit https://www.dropbox.com/s/sv9u8n24wimmez1/ubit.png?dl=0
2017-07-09 03:29 <BillBlight> that is the graph from your VM
2017-07-09 03:30 <Ubit> all cpus in use there also
2017-07-09 03:30 <BillBlight> yes
2017-07-09 03:30 <Ubit> or ht is off ?
2017-07-09 03:30 <BillBlight> HT is off
2017-07-09 03:30 <Ubit> ahh ok
2017-07-09 03:31 <BillBlight> we just had that discussion, I don't do HT on my servers ..  :P
2017-07-09 03:31 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-09 03:53 <smxy> Well, this was certainly an interesting evening. :)
2017-07-09 03:54 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-09 15:22 <smxy> Is there a setting to disable the periodic DIAGNOSTICS output? If so, is there also a command to display it on demand?
2017-07-09 15:50 <mcbits> smxy: Is that LogShowStatsSeconds under [Startup]?
2017-07-09 15:51 <mcbits> I think 0 or lower would disable it. Not sure about manually invoking it though.
2017-07-09 16:02 <smxy> hmm, woill look at that
2017-07-09 16:02 <smxy> thanks
2017-07-09 16:03 <mcbits> And maybe 'stats show' or 'show stats all' or something? Can't test as I don't have any working code on my computer at the moment :/
2017-07-09 16:06 <smxy> That does look like the setting, and it does say 0 will disable it.
2017-07-09 16:09 <smxy> It looks like show uptime, show threads, and show stats, together, show the same output.
2017-07-09 16:10 <smxy> Thanks!
2017-07-09 16:12 <smxy> Now I just need to figure out why OpenSim has so much trouble when connected to my SQL proxy, and none, when connected to the DB directly.
2017-07-09 16:29 <mcbits> I'm in the middle of trying to remove all the .ini config stuff altogether, but it keeps exploding.
2017-07-09 17:17 <smxy> mcbits: Moving it all into a DB?
2017-07-09 17:19 <mcbits> Yeah, first just into code so I can organize and understand it, but then I'd like to move it to sqlite
2017-07-09 17:30 <smxy> Good luck. I'd love to do that, but I wouldn't know where to begin, not being a DBA or a programmer (much).
2017-07-09 17:34 <mcbits> It's more work than I thought it would be. The config stuff permeates everything.
2017-07-09 23:44 <osmantis> Bug #8208:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osGetObjectRezUuid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8208 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-09 23:55 <osmantis> Bug #8208:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osGetObjectRezUuid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8208 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
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2017-07-10 04:09 <smxy> BillBlight: ping
2017-07-10 04:13 <smxy> BillBlight: Success! :) I don't give up easily, LOL.
2017-07-10 05:13 <smxy> My adventures with ProxySQL sitting between my grid and its shiny, new, Percona XtraDB Cluster: https://www.percona.com/forums/questions-discussions/third-party-tools/48924-proxysql-reporting-warnings-about-duplicate-keys
2017-07-10 05:42 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-10 05:50 <smxy> I got it to work though. :)
2017-07-10 05:51 <smxy> I wonder why OpenSim has problems with multiple writers behind the proxy though.
2017-07-10 05:52 <smxy> Or maybe it's multiple readers - I haven't tried that yet.
2017-07-10 05:52 <BillBlight> Honestly I don't see how it could .. could be some silly acknolegedment that it is expecting that it is not getting back from the proxy
2017-07-10 05:53 <BillBlight> hmm
2017-07-10 05:53 <smxy> I'm not giving up. :) Not after getting this far. :)
2017-07-10 05:53 <smxy> BTW, just had a great time on one of your hang gliders. :)
2017-07-10 05:53 <BillBlight> does your internal opensim and all the servers talk to the proxy on the same port?
2017-07-10 05:53 <smxy> yes
2017-07-10 05:53 <smxy> 6033
2017-07-10 05:54 <BillBlight> no mean physical ethernet port
2017-07-10 05:54 <smxy> XenServer has 4 ports on each host for the VM VLAN
2017-07-10 05:55 <smxy> So it could be any of them.
2017-07-10 05:56 <BillBlight> are you using an internal Xen network, or physical port mapping
2017-07-10 05:57 <smxy> 4 physical ports are connected to my Dell 2048N, from each host, just for the VM network VLAN.
2017-07-10 05:57 <BillBlight> maybe you should try a one to one, each server having ONE physical port and on he proxy one in and one out port 
2017-07-10 05:57 <BillBlight> just a thought
2017-07-10 05:58 <smxy> Well, ultimately, there won't be ProxySQL servers. It'll just be installed on each of my VMs where I run regions.
2017-07-10 05:59 <BillBlight> are you trunking the 4 ports or are they individulal connections?
2017-07-10 05:59 <smxy> Not standalone
2017-07-10 05:59 <smxy> I believe XenServer treats them as one - you don't even assign them addresses.
2017-07-10 06:00 <BillBlight> ok , see you are doing it way different than I do .. 
2017-07-10 06:00 <smxy> Some kind of LAGG or bridge or something. I'm not a networking guy. :)
2017-07-10 06:01 <BillBlight> I mean INSIDE your VMs does each vm have 4 ethernet connections one to each port?
2017-07-10 06:01 <smxy> I'll be disappointed if it turns out that it's multiple READERS it has a problem with.
2017-07-10 06:02 <smxy> Oh, the VMs have on vNIC on the VM VLAN and another vNIC on my B=NFS VLAN.
2017-07-10 06:02 <smxy> er, 
2017-07-10 06:02 <smxy> Oh, the VMs have one vNIC on the VM VLAN and another vNIC on my NFS VLAN.
2017-07-10 06:02 <smxy> That's better. :)
2017-07-10 06:03 <BillBlight> how many vms on that server?
2017-07-10 06:04 <BillBlight> I should say running vms
2017-07-10 06:04 <smxy> 11 on one and 9 on the other, at the moment, with another two that are off right now.
2017-07-10 06:04 <BillBlight> are you using a vswitch or just direct mapping?
2017-07-10 06:04 <smxy> er, no, they are running, so 11 and 9
2017-07-10 06:05 <smxy> Not using a vSwitch (at least not consciously). :)
2017-07-10 06:05 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-10 06:05 <BillBlight> you would know
2017-07-10 06:05 <BillBlight> they are kind of a pain on the free Xen
2017-07-10 06:05 <BillBlight> but they work good when setup
2017-07-10 06:05 <smxy> I use them on VMware's ESXi, at work.
2017-07-10 06:06 <BillBlight> yeah they are easier on ESXi
2017-07-10 06:06 <BillBlight> than on the free Xen
2017-07-10 06:08 <smxy> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16941610/vCenter.PNG
2017-07-10 06:12 <smxy> I think I'll have to weight the writers, since I want all of the ProxySQL servers to use the same one, and if I take it down, I want them to all switch to the same NEXT one, and so on.
2017-07-10 06:12 <smxy> So that there is always only one writer.
2017-07-10 06:15 <smxy> My most active table is prims and the next is primitems.
2017-07-10 06:22 <BillBlight> I'm feeling brave, I think after some sleep I am going to upgrade my Xen from 7 to 7.2
2017-07-10 06:22 <smxy> That's what I did - skipped 7.1. It went flawlessly for me. YMMV. :)
2017-07-10 06:23 <smxy> Don't forget to update XenTools on your VMs, afterwards. I discovered mine were still running the one from 6.5 :p
2017-07-10 06:23 <BillBlight> I assume you did a rolling pool upgrade from cdrom?
2017-07-10 06:23 <smxy> NO
2017-07-10 06:23 <smxy> THAT blew up in my damn face.
2017-07-10 06:24 <smxy> I had to unpack the cd to an ftp server and do a full automatic rolling upgrade from XenCenter. It was the only way that worked.
2017-07-10 06:25 <smxy> Definitely get some sleep first. :)
2017-07-10 06:25 <BillBlight> I was thinking of doing that on my NFS server
2017-07-10 06:25 <smxy> For the full automatic, I believe it HAS to be an ftp server.
2017-07-10 06:26 <smxy> I had to set one up on my bloody WinXP laptop, just for that.
2017-07-10 06:26 <BillBlight> Says it will work from FTP, NFS or HTTP
2017-07-10 06:26 <smxy> Ok
2017-07-10 06:27 <smxy> Doing it manually, or automatically from CD always worked on the Master, but the slave would stop, saying it couldn't find a product repository and would want to knowhere to find it. Full automatic was the only thing that worked.
2017-07-10 06:28 <smxy> And 'automatic from cd' means it just tells you when to walk up to the server with the cd and do what you would manually, anyway, LOL
2017-07-10 06:29 <smxy> I'd end up using the cd to restore the master from the backup it took during upgrade, and rebooting the slave, and trying again.
2017-07-10 06:30 <BillBlight> meh I'm feeling brave, the only one using that server right now is Ubit ... LOL
2017-07-10 06:30 <smxy> hehehehe
2017-07-10 06:31 <smxy> Seriously, unpack the cd as it says, and do full automatic rolling
2017-07-10 06:31 <smxy> It 'just worked'.
2017-07-10 06:31 <BillBlight> Vincent and Timothy were still on my grid talking an hour ago
2017-07-10 06:31 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-10 06:31 <smxy> HAHAHA
2017-07-10 06:32 <smxy> I finally had to bail on them an hour or so after you did. Vincent is cool but he never shuts up! LOL Maybe it was because he was drunk. :)
2017-07-10 06:32 <BillBlight> yeah mainly
2017-07-10 06:32 <smxy> It was fun talking with you all though. :)
2017-07-10 06:32 <smxy> I love talking shop.
2017-07-10 06:33 <BillBlight> This was Timothy's first day back in OS in like 6 months, and he spent it standing on my grid talkign .. wttf
2017-07-10 06:33 <smxy> Hardly ever get to, working from home.
2017-07-10 06:33 <smxy> lol
2017-07-10 06:34 <BillBlight> and here we go
2017-07-10 06:34 <smxy> I thought you were going to get sleep first. :)
2017-07-10 06:34 <BillBlight> sleep is overrated
2017-07-10 06:34 <smxy> hehehe
2017-07-10 06:34 <BillBlight> maybe get it done before ubit wakes back up
2017-07-10 06:35 <BillBlight> lol
2017-07-10 06:35 <smxy> And then he's say UbrokeiT. :p
2017-07-10 06:35 <smxy> he'll*
2017-07-10 06:35 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-10 06:36 <BillBlight> yeah well, that would be the shoe being on the other foot for a change ... 
2017-07-10 06:36 <BillBlight> well it just rebooted my server so we will see , I don't smell smoke yet ..
2017-07-10 06:37 <smxy> Geez. I worked on this ProxySQL thing from 8AM yesterday, until 1AM today.
2017-07-10 06:37 <smxy> Oh god, don't let the mahgic smoke out ...
2017-07-10 06:37 <smxy> magic*
2017-07-10 06:37 <BillBlight> you sound like me ... Pitbull when it comes to something you just want to work , because you just want it ..
2017-07-10 06:37 <BillBlight> Yes they run on magic smoke
2017-07-10 06:37 <smxy> Yes
2017-07-10 06:38 <smxy> Yup, and if you ever let it out ...
2017-07-10 06:38 <BillBlight> wow, first reboot of the xen since january
2017-07-10 06:38 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-10 06:38 <smxy> I noticed you had a lot more motifications than I do. You haven't been applying patches, have you. :)
2017-07-10 06:39 <BillBlight> Nope ... had a bad experience with a few patches a while back
2017-07-10 06:39 <BillBlight> blew up some of my vms
2017-07-10 06:39 <BillBlight> gunshy
2017-07-10 06:39 <smxy> I have not had that problem, thankfully.
2017-07-10 06:39 <BillBlight> Booting 'Rolling Pool Upgrade' , still no smoke
2017-07-10 06:40 <smxy> Er, you pnly have a pool of one, don't you?
2017-07-10 06:40 <smxy> only*
2017-07-10 06:40 <BillBlight> yep
2017-07-10 06:40 <BillBlight> and I think it just blew up
2017-07-10 06:40 <smxy> Really?
2017-07-10 06:41 <BillBlight> that was an awful fast second reboot
2017-07-10 06:41 <BillBlight> saw a lot of hex on my screen the poof
2017-07-10 06:41 <smxy> Be patient.
2017-07-10 06:41 <smxy> Our hardware *is* dofferent though ...
2017-07-10 06:41 <BillBlight> yeah
2017-07-10 06:41 <smxy> different*
2017-07-10 06:42 <smxy> It took a backup, yes?
2017-07-10 06:42 <smxy> It should have.
2017-07-10 06:42 <BillBlight> not sure I looked away and it was rebooting
2017-07-10 06:42 <smxy> You can always restore it, via the cd
2017-07-10 06:43 <smxy> Just choose to put it back, instead of upgrade.
2017-07-10 06:43 <smxy> I did that several times.
2017-07-10 06:43 <smxy> I need to add the docker support to this. I've never played around with that and want to.
2017-07-10 06:44 <BillBlight> I need to turn off full ecc scrub , thake freaking forever
2017-07-10 06:44 <smxy> heh
2017-07-10 06:44 <BillBlight> I think it is stuck in a loop , 3rd reboot and seems no progress
2017-07-10 06:45 <smxy> Ew.
2017-07-10 06:46 <smxy> Might need to use the cd and restore what you had, then.
2017-07-10 06:46 <smxy> Until you can research it more.
2017-07-10 06:47 <smxy> I'm going to try routing some of the read traffic to the other two nodes and see what happens ...
2017-07-10 06:54 <BillBlight> oh this is not good , raid controller showing one degraded drive
2017-07-10 06:57 <smxy> Yikes
2017-07-10 06:57 <smxy> I doubt XenServer did that to you though.
2017-07-10 06:59 <BillBlight> I doubt it .. could just be a coincedence
2017-07-10 06:59 <BillBlight> But glad it happens when I am in a mind to work on it
2017-07-10 06:59 <smxy> :)
2017-07-10 07:00 <BillBlight> hope ubit has backups
2017-07-10 07:00 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-10 07:05 <smxy> :)
2017-07-10 07:09 <BillBlight> well just rebooted back to normal .. back up and running ... soooo guess I will backup the VM's and maybe just try a clean install
2017-07-10 07:12 <smxy> Well, there is that.
2017-07-10 07:12 <smxy> Did you replace the drive?
2017-07-10 07:12 <smxy> I'd do that, and let it resilver, first.
2017-07-10 07:12 <BillBlight> I brought the drive online, was a single storage drive, not actually part of the raid, gonna beat it up then pull it later in the week
2017-07-10 07:13 <smxy> ok
2017-07-10 07:13 <BillBlight> could have just been a fluke since the machine has been up almost 6 months
2017-07-10 07:14 <BillBlight> gave ubit four more cores .. 
2017-07-10 07:14 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-10 07:16 <smxy> Hyper-thread them :p
2017-07-10 07:16 <BillBlight> ummmm that is a negative ghost rider
2017-07-10 07:18 <BillBlight> thinking of throwing a couple of tesla cards in my server just for giggles
2017-07-10 07:19 <BillBlight> older models sound some cheap
2017-07-10 07:19 <BillBlight> *found
2017-07-10 07:19 <smxy> what are those?
2017-07-10 07:19 <BillBlight> http://www.nvidia.com/object/tesla-servers.html
2017-07-10 07:20 <smxy> Ah
2017-07-10 07:25 <smxy> Okay, it's nearly 3:30AM. Time for bed.
2017-07-10 08:10 <smxy> Would be nice if this could be sped up somehow:
2017-07-10 08:10 <smxy> 03:58:13 - [ubOde]: start processing pending actor operations
2017-07-10 08:10 <smxy> 04:08:03 - [ubOde]: finished 110813 operations in 589864ms
2017-07-10 08:10 <smxy> 04:08:03 - [ubOde]: 28375 prim actors loaded
2017-07-10 08:10 <smxy> 9 minutes, 50 seconds
2017-07-10 12:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #5711 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-10 12:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5711: SUCCESS in 6 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5711/
2017-07-10 12:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix the name of a funtion on last commit
2017-07-10 12:59 <Ubit> that VM only has things pulled from git or elsewhere so far .. no work on it Bill
2017-07-10 13:00 <Ubit> but seems you did not lost it :)
2017-07-10 13:25 <Plugh> what console command regenerates the map tile?
2017-07-10 13:26 <Ubit> generate map?  have region down to check help
2017-07-10 13:28 <Plugh> I think that is it. I couldn't see it in the list. I didn't know what category it is under.
2017-07-10 14:25 <smxy> Morning.
2017-07-10 14:26 <smxy> Ubit, did you see the 3 lines I pasted, that took ~10 minutes?
2017-07-10 14:27 <Ubit> yes seen it
2017-07-10 14:27 <Ubit> what about it?
2017-07-10 14:27 <smxy> Is that a reasonable amount of time for what it was doing?
2017-07-10 14:27 <smxy> A 10 minute stop during region start is unusual to me.
2017-07-10 14:28 <Ubit> bullet does those operations async, hidden from stats
2017-07-10 14:29 <Ubit> ubode does them sync
2017-07-10 14:29 <smxy> Okay, that explains why I haven't seen this before, as I only recently switched.
2017-07-10 14:29 <Ubit> so at logins enabled chances are physics is really ready
2017-07-10 14:29 <Ubit> bullet...  nahhh
2017-07-10 14:30 <Ubit> ubode still does some meshing async :(
2017-07-10 14:30 <smxy> You still didn't answer the question though. :)
2017-07-10 14:30 <Ubit> it is reasoble?
2017-07-10 14:31 <smxy> yes. I don't know what it's doing there, but it did it 110813 times.
2017-07-10 14:31 <Ubit> can't tell...  depends of the avaiable cpu and objects complexit
2017-07-10 14:32 <smxy> As I recall, that VM has 4 vCPUs and the region has a prim replica of the Taj Mhall in it.
2017-07-10 14:32 <smxy> Taj Mahal
2017-07-10 14:33 <Ubit> 110813 is "operations"
2017-07-10 14:33 <Ubit> like addprim  setposition setrotation.. blabla
2017-07-10 14:35 <Ubit> ok ?
2017-07-10 14:35 <smxy> let me check that region and VM ...
2017-07-10 14:36 <Ubit> we may still 2 many of those.. more that actually needed..  but yeack used to be a lot worse :)
2017-07-10 14:37 <Ubit> actually looking the the "otherside"  our updates throttling and control id damm wrong :(
2017-07-10 14:37 <Ubit> but a BIG pain improving now..
2017-07-10 14:38 <Ubit> ohh Bill killed my vm :)
2017-07-10 14:38 <smxy> Yeah, 29,405 prim replica of the Taj Mahal, On a 8G VM with three other instances.
2017-07-10 14:39 <Ubit> oops he did not 
2017-07-10 14:39 <smxy> After startup, the VM is using a little less than 4G.
2017-07-10 14:39 <smxy> It has 4 vCPUs.
2017-07-10 14:40 <Ubit> that doesn't tell much about performance, at least not to me
2017-07-10 14:40 <Ubit> real excution timing is what tells that
2017-07-10 14:41 <smxy> It was also as the 50 regions of my grid were simultaneously starting up. I think, with just it restarting, it took something like 5 minutes.
2017-07-10 14:41 <Ubit> my box does not take 10mins on that loading a copy of wright plaza
2017-07-10 14:41 <Ubit> but is direct i7 
2017-07-10 14:42 <Ubit> ( ie no vms other than win7 it self )
2017-07-10 14:45 <smxy> Well, I'm not too worried about it. It just caught me by surprise. Wanted to get a feel for whether that was reasonable for that region, so that if its owner asks me about it, I csn tell them it's normal, or that you/I will look into it. :)
2017-07-10 14:45 <Ubit> well thats it
2017-07-10 14:46 <Ubit> 91 does a few more things sync during start.. well mostly that
2017-07-10 14:46 <smxy> It's my heaviest region.
2017-07-10 14:46 <Ubit> and should do a lot more
2017-07-10 14:46 <Ubit> start should be single task
2017-07-10 14:47 <Ubit> so things get packed nicelly ... no threads locks etc
2017-07-10 14:47 <smxy> I don't know enough to agree/disagree. Why can't some things be done in parallel?
2017-07-10 14:48 <smxy> Oh, you just said. :)
2017-07-10 14:48 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-10 14:48 <Ubit> if it was only region per machine.. ok a bit multitask would help
2017-07-10 14:49 <Ubit> but nahh
2017-07-10 14:49 <Ubit> all things should start single task
2017-07-10 14:49 <Ubit> and proper mount the enviroment to multitask
2017-07-10 14:50 <smxy> $ regions/instances on this VM, along with 15 other VMs, for a total of 51 regions/instances, on two hyper-threaded R810s. :P
2017-07-10 14:50 <smxy> 4, not $
2017-07-10 14:51 <smxy> Okay, so I won't worry about this, then.
2017-07-10 15:01 <smxy> It was so nice getting ProxySQL working.
2017-07-10 15:02 <smxy> I spent over 24 hours figuring it out, heh.
2017-07-10 17:21 <smxy> Ubit, I think I may have to go back to BulletSim for at least one region.
2017-07-10 17:21 <Ubit> ohh why ?
2017-07-10 17:22 <Ubit> ( well we do keep 3 engines for some reason :) )
2017-07-10 17:22 <BillBlight> smxy noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo   :P
2017-07-10 17:23 <smxy> One of my visiting builders made this full sim Pueblo town up in the sky over her region. Made it all in Blender over the past few years. I just noticed two things: I now fall through her land mesh, and her buildings have giant bounding boxes that prevent me from walking around in/on them as I would expect. I don't recall it being like this before, so I'm going to switch this region back 
2017-07-10 17:23 <smxy> and see if it helps.
2017-07-10 17:24 <BillBlight> Bad or non existent physics model ...
2017-07-10 17:24 <BillBlight> Ubit and I were just talkign about this .. .LOL
2017-07-10 17:24 <smxy> Could be. But I can't go breaking it on her.
2017-07-10 17:24 <smxy> Let me switch it and see if it's better.
2017-07-10 17:25 <BillBlight> It was already broken, just bullet let it be broken .. ;)
2017-07-10 17:25 <Ubit> ok but you should ask for a revison of those meshs
2017-07-10 17:25 <BillBlight> ^^
2017-07-10 17:25 <smxy> I'm not sure I want to ask her to rebuild her entire sim. I don't mind letting hers use BulletSim if it needs it.
2017-07-10 17:26 <Ubit> well you may also be forced to use old ODE on some regions also
2017-07-10 17:26 <Ubit> that is why we have 3 as i said
2017-07-10 17:26 <smxy> I haven't used old ODE since before BulletSim.
2017-07-10 17:26 <Ubit> some things depend on broken things to work :)
2017-07-10 17:26 <smxy> None of my regions need old ODE. :)
2017-07-10 17:26 <smxy> To my knowledge. :)
2017-07-10 17:27 <BillBlight> Work is a relative term .. there is Work because you don't know how to fix it, then there is working correctly  .. ;)
2017-07-10 17:27 <Ubit> well ppl need to reupload some meshs, or add collision prims 
2017-07-10 17:27 <smxy> I also notice she has 3 of her 6 regions sitting fallow, with only 471 prims total, between them. Think I'll ask for at least 2 of those back.
2017-07-10 17:28 <Ubit> bc did not uploaded correctly for the use of the mesh
2017-07-10 17:28 <BillBlight> People cut corners and bullet let them, because bullet faked the collision mesh, so people could be a tad bit lazy and not make the models to mesh spec
2017-07-10 17:31 <Ubit> but yeack that will be a prob.. still now ppl on grids using 0.8.2 keep uploading bad meshs
2017-07-10 17:31 <BillBlight> This is why I find it hard to blame ubODE for this mesh "issue" as others do.  Anything worth doing is worth doing right the first time.  Now people are paying the price for just shoving any old mesh into world ..
2017-07-10 17:31 <Ubit> bc they just work there :(
2017-07-10 17:32 <Ubit> in fact some don't even know what convex means
2017-07-10 17:32 <Ubit> bc that is also broken on 82 bullet it seems
2017-07-10 17:32 <BillBlight> Again I can make lots of things work with enough duct tape and some string, does not mean it is right ...
2017-07-10 17:32 <Ubit> see the problem smxy ?
2017-07-10 17:34 <Ubit> well guess ppl that left sl long ago.. bc SL on that is like ubOde or vice versa
2017-07-10 17:35 <BillBlight> That is true, people came to opensim from SL and realized they did not have to work as hard to upload mesh and got lazy
2017-07-10 17:35 <smxy> Well, I know that she was actually learning how to create mesh and use Blender, as she made this.
2017-07-10 17:35 <BillBlight> Don't get me wrong I don't think that bullet is wrong for doing what it does, but that should be a "safety net" not a standard of practice
2017-07-10 17:36 <smxy> So it's not hard for me to believe she did things wrong, if the physics didn't make her aware she was doing it.
2017-07-10 17:37 <smxy> But her region is going boom, now, so I must have done something wrong ...
2017-07-10 17:37 <BillBlight> There is no being aware, if you don't upload it with a physics model, it does not have one, bullet fakes it .. Mesh for Games 101 is to have a proper physics model ..
2017-07-10 17:38 <smxy> Again, she was learning. :)
2017-07-10 17:38 <smxy> So, does this look at all familiar to either of you? https://pastebin.com/G1gQjtQY
2017-07-10 17:39 <smxy> It's speweing that.
2017-07-10 17:39 <smxy> spewing*
2017-07-10 17:39 <BillBlight> I don't use bullet so that is all greek to me .. 
2017-07-10 17:39 <Ubit> err
2017-07-10 17:40 <Ubit> why do you have BULLET and ubOde at same time?
2017-07-10 17:40 <smxy> First time I've used it on this code.
2017-07-10 17:40 <Ubit> ok
2017-07-10 17:40 <smxy> It was supposed to be one or the other. :)
2017-07-10 17:40 <smxy> How do you see it is both?
2017-07-10 17:40 <Ubit> you forgot to change the meshmerizer
2017-07-10 17:40 <smxy> Ah
2017-07-10 17:40 <Ubit> coment ubMeshmerizer 
2017-07-10 17:41 <BillBlight> ahhh
2017-07-10 17:41 <BillBlight> yes
2017-07-10 17:41 <smxy> I have an override file for each region. I need to ADD the mesher to that
2017-07-10 17:41 <BillBlight> just saw that .. wrong meshermizer
2017-07-10 17:41 <BillBlight> ooopsy
2017-07-10 17:41 <smxy> Thanks. brb
2017-07-10 17:41 <Ubit> remember changing to and from ubOde means changing the engine and meshmerizer!!
2017-07-10 17:43 <smxy> Yes. :)
2017-07-10 17:44 <Ubit> i know its a pain.. i should do it in code..  but.. ... :P
2017-07-10 17:44 <smxy> I'll learn. I've only just started using ubODE. I just set it and forgot it. :p
2017-07-10 17:45 <Plugh> Do uploads of mesh output any warnings to user about missing physics?
2017-07-10 17:45 <Ubit> no bc it is a legal option
2017-07-10 17:45 <smxy> Okay, the region's up now. Now to see if it acts "normal" again.
2017-07-10 17:45 <Plugh> Hm... a legal option that causes problems? :P
2017-07-10 17:45 <BillBlight> Don't think there would need to be a warning .. if you don't set one there is not one ...
2017-07-10 17:45 <Ubit> plugh.. it is legal..
2017-07-10 17:46 <Ubit> you are suposed to know what you are doing
2017-07-10 17:46 <BillBlight> yeah you can upload mesh without physics , say for just decorations things that you don't have to walk on or in ..
2017-07-10 17:46 <Plugh> hehe, yea but the whole point is a lot of people don't know.
2017-07-10 17:46 <Ubit> well and as builder, help avoiding others making mistakes also
2017-07-10 17:46 <BillBlight> People who don't know how to fly planes , should not fly planes either ...
2017-07-10 17:47 <smxy> Yay! Her region behaves like it used to. Okay, hers stays on BulletSim. :)
2017-07-10 17:47 <Plugh> I wonder if someone has written up a wiki page about the proper way to upload and use mesh
2017-07-10 17:47 <Plugh> smxy: woohoo
2017-07-10 17:47 <Ubit> if you upload a mesh ONLY for visual part, you should upload without physics
2017-07-10 17:47 <Ubit> so others will not try to used it in physics
2017-07-10 17:47 <Ubit> see plugh ?
2017-07-10 17:48 <Ubit> it is a builders option at upload time...
2017-07-10 17:48 <smxy> Thanks for the mesher catch. :)
2017-07-10 17:48 <BillBlight> It would require a viewer change to warn them, or have a box that says, "This is not broken is it, you did it right if it is supposed to be physical, if not don't whine about it" check box ... LOL
2017-07-10 17:48 <Plugh> But the bounding box for the default model for the bounding box would prevent someone from getting close to the object if it is just a mesh used for a decoration.
2017-07-10 17:49 <BillBlight> not if you set it to physics type NONE
2017-07-10 17:49 <BillBlight> or make it phantom
2017-07-10 17:49 <Ubit> plugh.. what are you talking about?
2017-07-10 17:51 <BillBlight> Personally on my regions, if it is not a required mechanic for someone to walk into, on , around , or inside it, it is phantom anyway ..
2017-07-10 17:54 <osmantis> Bug #7784:04 Scripts do not reset with llResetScript 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7784 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-10 17:54 <BillBlight> Furniture being phantom inside of houses is much nicer, my avie was allways stubbing his toe on the coffee table ..
2017-07-10 17:55 <Ubit> and trees
2017-07-10 17:55 <BillBlight> yes and trees
2017-07-10 17:55 <Ubit> i hate fly and get stuck on them
2017-07-10 17:55 <Plugh> If it is legal to upload mesh without physics when is it a problem to have mesh without physics that makes that mesh object a bad mesh one?
2017-07-10 17:55 <osmantis> Bug #7784:04 Scripts do not reset with llResetScript 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7784 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-07-10 17:56 <BillBlight> Plugh, if it is somethign that a person needs to walk inside, or on, and does not have a proper physics model, people will complain because they can't go inside or they float above it on the simple meshed shape
2017-07-10 17:56 <Ubit> well my problem now is not understanding your problem Plugh
2017-07-10 17:57 <Plugh> Ubit, I was trying to understand what you call bad mesh when you say it is perfectly fine to have a mesh object without physics.
2017-07-10 17:57 <Plugh> Bill, that makes more sense.
2017-07-10 17:57 <BillBlight> So a mesh becomes "illegal" when it has no physics model, that is required for it's proper use.   And this is mostly caused by people not rendering doubled sided faces ..
2017-07-10 17:57 <Ubit> yes plugh it is a valid builders option at upload
2017-07-10 17:58 <Ubit> the problem is not that
2017-07-10 17:58 <BillBlight> So again it comes back to the mesh is "bad" for the use they intended, because they did not either KNOW how to make it proper or were lazy ..
2017-07-10 17:58 <Ubit> it is like that at SL since ever
2017-07-10 17:58 <Plugh> or perhaps their use for the mesh changed.
2017-07-10 17:59 <BillBlight> yes , but if they changed their mind, they should change their mesh ...
2017-07-10 17:59 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-10 17:59 <Ubit> the problem is that opensim failed to handle that correctly !!
2017-07-10 17:59 <Ubit> and not ppl that left SL ages ago.. don't do that
2017-07-10 17:59 <Ubit> don't know that...
2017-07-10 18:00 <Ubit> and upload meshs anyway and old opensim does the same no matter that option
2017-07-10 18:00 <smxy> That was exactly what I discovered in her region today, Bill --> [13:56] <BillBlight> Plugh, if it is somethign that a person needs to walk inside, or on, and does not have a proper physics model, people will complain because they can't go inside or they float above it on the simple meshed shape
2017-07-10 18:00 <Ubit> see ?
2017-07-10 18:00 <BillBlight> That is a good poing, Mesh in bullet has kind of propogated a bug, that allowed bullet to fake the physics, which is outside the mesh spec, so people that were not in SL when mesh came along, thing that it SHOULD be the way OS did it ..
2017-07-10 18:01 <smxy> And my builder left SL long before mesh ...
2017-07-10 18:02 <Ubit> well it is easy to understand..
2017-07-10 18:02 <Plugh> It won't help matters if how you should upload a mesh is different in OS from what it is/was in SL. We would need a wiki page to tell people what they should be doing to prep models for upload and how they should upload it based on intended use to help them avoid some common pitfalls.
2017-07-10 18:02 <smxy> So I bet, as she learned Blender and uploaded to my grid, she figured she was doing it right.
2017-07-10 18:02 <BillBlight> In my mind broken is broken, regardless if that is the way it has always been done .. Leaving it "broken" or not doing it with all the steps, when it is available, is just lazy ...  :P  but that is just me ..
2017-07-10 18:03 <Ubit> os mesh upload is identical to SL
2017-07-10 18:03 <Ubit> do that.. and it will work on bullet and ubode
2017-07-10 18:03 <Ubit> with a diference
2017-07-10 18:03 <Plugh> I always use the physics from file option, IIRC regardless of what the model is for that I'm uploading.
2017-07-10 18:03 <smxy> Oh, I'll mention this to her, but I'm not going to force her to rebuild her sim, not when I can just let it use BS still. :)
2017-07-10 18:03 <BillBlight> if she would have selected a physics model on upload it would be ok, but most likely did not select a physics 
2017-07-10 18:03 <Ubit> SL recomends physics Step 2,  it should not be used on OS
2017-07-10 18:04 <Ubit> and that is also because of viewers
2017-07-10 18:04 <Ubit> step2 on SL uses havoc mesh tools
2017-07-10 18:04 <Ubit> on opensim another not so good library is used
2017-07-10 18:04 <Plugh> Step 2? I don't recall seeing that as an option when uploading mesh but it has been a while since I last uploaded a model
2017-07-10 18:05 <Ubit> ( even at sl ppl need to test.. step 2 may close holes or deform the mesh )
2017-07-10 18:05 <BillBlight> Step 2 is bottom part of physics tab on upload
2017-07-10 18:05 <Ubit> yeap guess it is beeing a LONG while :)
2017-07-10 18:06 <Plugh> less than a year but more than 6 months, afaicr
2017-07-10 18:06 <Ubit> so well that is not that diferent from sl either..  bc step2 can break meshs there also
2017-07-10 18:07 <Ubit> now  upload phycis high rez collider depends on use...
2017-07-10 18:07 <Ubit> say you make simple stairs ...
2017-07-10 18:08 <Ubit> those will be a pain fail on bullet :p
2017-07-10 18:08 <Ubit> unless steps are really small
2017-07-10 18:08 <Ubit> so a good option is to do as in old days
2017-07-10 18:09 <Ubit> upload without physics
2017-07-10 18:09 <Ubit> and inworld add a transparent  box as ramp
2017-07-10 18:09 <Ubit> even for ubOde that does steps a bit better
2017-07-10 18:10 <Ubit> the ramp is by far faster on physics
2017-07-10 18:11 <Ubit> meshs are not that easy issue...
2017-07-10 18:11 <Ubit> and a reason why on the new LL thing only paying professionals will be able to upload contents
2017-07-10 18:11 <Ubit> or on Space etc
2017-07-10 18:11 <smxy> BillBlight: Get XenServer updated to 7.2?
2017-07-10 18:12 <BillBlight> That is what strikes me as funny about opensim users ... Game developers take a long time to learn how to make proper mesh for 3d games .. OS users think they can just watch a blender tutorial on youtube, and slap a mesh together and expect it to work right ..
2017-07-10 18:12 <BillBlight> smxy , I surrendered for now, will do it later after I backup ubits VM in a couple of places ..
2017-07-10 18:12 <smxy> :)
2017-07-10 18:13 <Ubit> no big need to backup my vm
2017-07-10 18:13 <Ubit> if lost its just a a half a hour lost
2017-07-10 18:13 <BillBlight> ok I will attempt to keep it, but if I loose it I will not loose sleep over it ..
2017-07-10 18:14 <Ubit> no need.. it just a set of git pulls to recover it
2017-07-10 18:14 <Ubit> and a oar upload :)
2017-07-10 18:14 <smxy> That's another reason why I have two servers. I migrate everuthing to the Slave, update the Master, migrate everything to it, then update the Slave.
2017-07-10 18:15 <BillBlight> Yeah but I have to re-install your vm if I loose it .. so gonna try to save it, so I don't have to set it up again ... 
2017-07-10 18:15 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-10 18:15 <BillBlight> and yes smxy ... that would be better .. I am shopping for a second server as we speak
2017-07-10 18:15 <smxy> :)
2017-07-10 18:15 <Ubit> well i would need to remember again how to kill the damm ubunty resolver
2017-07-10 18:15 <smxy> It has to be the same as the one you have, or VERY close.
2017-07-10 18:16 <BillBlight> yes looking at the same one
2017-07-10 18:16 <smxy> You won't be able to pool them, otherwise.
2017-07-10 18:16 <BillBlight> or the Dell version of it
2017-07-10 18:16 <BillBlight> the dell version is almost identical to my ibm, which is a X3850 M2
2017-07-10 18:17 <smxy> If you buy used Dell stuff, I have had good luck with ScsiStuff.
2017-07-10 18:17 <BillBlight> I'll look 
2017-07-10 18:17 <smxy> I'm a happy customer.
2017-07-10 18:19 <smxy> If I thought I could afford the increase in my already $250 a month electrib bill, I'd get a 3rd server for my pool. :)
2017-07-10 18:19 <smxy> s/b/c/
2017-07-10 18:22 <BillBlight> see we have a swim spa, my servers come in under the radar due to that power hog ... LOL
2017-07-10 18:23 <smxy> :)
2017-07-10 18:24 <smxy> All I know is that if I lose my job, they will be turned off the next day.
2017-07-10 18:32 <smxy> Oh, Bill, have you heard of Xen Orchestra? It's like XenCenter, but web-based and runs as a VM. They have multiple for-pay, turnkey, versions, but you can also roll your own, which is what I've done, for free. It contains almost every for-pay feature, *including* VM backups, which is what I primarily use it for.
2017-07-10 18:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #5712 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-10 18:33 <Ubit> errr im logged on the vm.. let me know if you need me out Bill
2017-07-10 18:34 <BillBlight> I'm not going to mess with it till the weekend Ubit
2017-07-10 18:34 <Ubit> im really not doing anything..  just keeping a region up
2017-07-10 18:34 <Ubit> ok
2017-07-10 18:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5712: SUCCESS in 7 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5712/
2017-07-10 18:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: on entities updates throttles vectors needed to be compared as vectors, not just their norms
2017-07-10 20:04 <BillBlight> I still don't get you silly people redirecting every thing outside the bin directory ...  Sounds like a lot of work for very little gain ... LOL :P
2017-07-10 20:05 <smxy> I just explained why in my follow-up to your comment. :)
2017-07-10 20:05 <smxy> It's also cleaner and neater.
2017-07-10 20:05 <smxy> IMNSHO, of course.
2017-07-10 20:06 <smxy> And, you'll note, I didn;t tell him he had to do it that way. Just that that's how *I* do it, since he seemed to be heading down the same path. :)
2017-07-10 20:06 <BillBlight> oh he was already doing it somewhat like that ...
2017-07-10 20:07 <smxy> Yes, so I thought I'd show him a working example. :)
2017-07-10 20:08 <BillBlight> see you are old school Linux, I am more container oriented,
2017-07-10 20:09 <BillBlight> Just easier to run multiple versions side by side, or to have fallback if the bin does somehow get corrupted .. and my bins are clean, not sure how you think they get dirty ... LOL :P
2017-07-10 20:12 <BillBlight> the other reason for multiple bins, is I don't have to give multiple users rights to the same bin directory to run from, can have a bin for each users or each cluster of sims, so on and so forth ..
2017-07-10 20:12 <smxy> If anything writes to them, they aren't clean. They've been diddled with. :)
2017-07-10 20:13 <BillBlight> my update script cleans the bins anyway, so every sunday my bins get scrubbed anyway
2017-07-10 20:13 <smxy> I find it easier to avoid the need to clean them. :)
2017-07-10 20:13 <smxy> There's more than one way to skin a cat. :)
2017-07-10 20:13 <BillBlight> yep
2017-07-10 20:13 <BillBlight> neither way is wrong .. just a discussion topic
2017-07-10 20:14 <smxy> And with UNIX/Linux, there's usually about six different ways you can do something, and they are all 'right'.
2017-07-10 20:14 <BillBlight> six or sixty
2017-07-10 20:14 <smxy> :)
2017-07-10 20:16 <smxy> I don't really care how people do it. As you say, it's just a discussion topic. I only evangelized on my way to him, as he looked to be re-inventing a wheel I'd already made, so I thought I'd save himi some work, potentially. ;)
2017-07-10 20:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #5713 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-10 20:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5713: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5713/
2017-07-10 20:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few more changes on entities updates
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2017-07-10 21:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #5714 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-10 21:02 <Ubit> ameks ??  yeack... 
2017-07-10 21:02 <smxy> "ameks"? ;)
2017-07-10 21:02 <Ubit> biils fault of course
2017-07-10 21:02 <BillBlight> What did I do now ..
2017-07-10 21:02 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-10 21:02 <smxy> No, it's not, UbrokeiT. :)
2017-07-10 21:02 <BillBlight> I swear it must have been my evil twin skippy
2017-07-10 21:03 <BillBlight> ameks = makes
2017-07-10 21:03 <Ubit> btw SimpleAngularDistance is a new thing still kinda on testing  may had not noticed
2017-07-10 21:04 <Ubit> it plays with culling also
2017-07-10 21:04 <Ubit> hmm but indenpendent
2017-07-10 21:04 <Ubit> and independent
2017-07-10 21:05 <Ubit> any of u played with it ?
2017-07-10 21:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5714: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5714/
2017-07-10 21:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: SimpleAngularDistance update prioritization scheme ameks no sense without ordered dequeue of the updates
2017-07-10 21:07 <smxy> No. I don't even know WTF you're talking about. :)
2017-07-10 21:07 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-10 21:08 <Ubit> we will talk again when you know
2017-07-10 21:08 <Ubit> hihihhi
2017-07-10 21:11 <smxy> Bit me. :P
2017-07-10 21:11 <Ubit> get closer...
2017-07-10 21:11 <smxy> Bite* (though bit is finny too, in this case)
2017-07-10 21:11 <smxy> funny*
2017-07-10 21:12 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-10 21:15 <BillBlight> I have played with the SimpleAngularDistance 
2017-07-10 21:16 <Ubit> well this change should actually make its effect visible
2017-07-10 21:17 <BillBlight> I will switch back to it on some regions then .. 
2017-07-10 21:17 <BillBlight> for testing
2017-07-10 21:17 <Ubit> original code actually as no prioritty since it ends up scrambling it
2017-07-10 21:17 <BillBlight> off to dinner back later
2017-07-10 21:19 <smxy> Enjoy!
2017-07-10 21:19 <Ubit> well its parameters sill need some retune
2017-07-10 21:25 <smxy> Okay Ubit, I don't want you to keep pouting because I didn;t ask. What is it? :)
2017-07-10 21:25 <Ubit> lol
2017-07-10 21:26 <Ubit> first steps to order the sending of stuff by its size
2017-07-10 21:26 <Ubit> bigger things first etc
2017-07-10 21:26 <Ubit> something sl does in ages.. and we..  yeackk do a mess
2017-07-10 21:26 <smxy> Does this have to do with the interest management? Like front-back and so on?
2017-07-10 21:26 <Ubit> yeap
2017-07-10 21:26 <smxy> Okay
2017-07-10 21:27 <Ubit> but i don't like front-back
2017-07-10 21:27 <Ubit> avatars look around a lot
2017-07-10 21:27 <Ubit> viwers can do it 
2017-07-10 21:30 <smxy> You've spent a year or more, making the Avination merge work, and doing other stuff. Maybe the next release should be delayed longer, so you can spend an entire year ONLY fixing bugs. It would be in much better shape then. :)
2017-07-10 21:31 <Ubit> avination merge is long gone
2017-07-10 21:31 <smxy> Then go back to new stuff. :)
2017-07-10 21:32 <Ubit> bahh opensim releases are neve final things
2017-07-10 21:32 <Ubit> we should be on 0.91032 now
2017-07-10 21:33 <smxy> I'd just like to see someone spend a solid year doing nothing but fixing bugs.
2017-07-10 21:33 <Ubit> ( this bc we will never reach 1.0 so need to add more decimals )
2017-07-10 21:33 <Ubit> errr there is also new stuff
2017-07-10 21:34 <smxy> Don't EVEN get me started on not hitting 1.0 ...
2017-07-10 21:34 <Ubit> this was not on avination code 
2017-07-10 21:34 <Ubit> well we may decide that alpha ends in version 10000
2017-07-10 21:35 <Ubit> that way ok we can reach 1.0 :p
2017-07-10 21:36 <Ubit> we don't have to follow all industry standards do we ?
2017-07-10 21:39 <smxy> :)
2017-07-10 21:42 <smxy> Time to eat, then back to working on ProxySQL. Now that I know how to make Percona XtraDB Clutser + ProxySQL and OpenSim play nice together, I have to figure out how to keep *ProxySQL* from being the single point of failure that my database used to be.
2017-07-10 21:43 <smxy> There appear to be several ways of doing that, but I haven't researched it enough to decide on which method to use.
2017-07-10 21:44 <Ubit> food .. remember?
2017-07-10 21:44 <Ubit> go eat :p
2017-07-10 21:44 <smxy> Well, I'll go get it and bring it back to my desk, LOL. :)
2017-07-10 21:45 <Ubit> yeap keyboards also like food.. specially coffe :)
2017-07-10 21:45 <smxy> My keyboards wear condoms. :p
2017-07-10 21:45 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-10 21:46 <Ubit> well talking about coffe...  rl break :)
2017-07-10 23:15 <smxy> BillBlight: I'm having an intermittent issue with my Robust instance. Sometimes, when I start it, it only gets a few lines in and when it gets to this line, 19:11:01 - [SERVER]: Loading AssetServiceConnector on port 8013, it just stops. If I immediately switch to my htop window, I can watch the process comsume ALL RAM in the VM, within about 10-15 seconds, and then begins to consume nearly 
2017-07-10 23:15 <smxy> all of swap, at the same frantic pace, at which point I kill it, to save the server.
2017-07-10 23:15 <smxy> Have you seen this at all?
2017-07-10 23:17 <BillBlight> nope
2017-07-10 23:17 <BillBlight> never seen that
2017-07-10 23:17 <smxy> Hmm. It's pretty dramatic.
2017-07-10 23:18 <BillBlight> ofcourse  keep enough ram handy that I disable the swap ...
2017-07-10 23:18 <BillBlight> ;)
2017-07-10 23:18 <BillBlight> but no I have not seen it hang there
2017-07-10 23:18 <smxy> At the rate that was consuming it, you's have OOMed or watched your VM crash and burn.
2017-07-10 23:18 <smxy> you'd*
2017-07-10 23:19 <BillBlight> Well that is pretty much the moment it connects to the database ... soooooooooo 
2017-07-10 23:19 <smxy> It made all of TWO connections to the DB. :)
2017-07-10 23:20 <BillBlight> yeah my VM server is fucked ..
2017-07-10 23:20 <smxy> Well, you rolled back to 7.0 and should be fine, yes?
2017-07-10 23:20 <BillBlight> nope
2017-07-10 23:21 <BillBlight> something is just not right
2017-07-10 23:21 <BillBlight> vm's are taking , no kidding an hour to start up
2017-07-10 23:21 <smxy> That does sound a tad ... off. :)
2017-07-10 23:23 <BillBlight> just gonna kill it , and backing up ubit's vm said it was going to take 3 days
2017-07-10 23:24 <smxy> That seems a bit off, too.
2017-07-10 23:24 <smxy> Now, see? I waited a few minutes to try starting Robust again, and this time it just started up perfectly.
2017-07-10 23:24 <smxy> Bah.
2017-07-10 23:27 <smxy> I feel bad for saying it worked flawlessly for me (after I went full automatic, that is), now. :(
2017-07-10 23:28 <smxy> Didn't mean to lead you on.
2017-07-10 23:39 <BillBlight> meh ... ain't nothing but a thing ... Gives me a chance to reorder my drives in the array, did not like how I had them split up anyway ..
2017-07-10 23:40 <smxy> I'm glad there's a silver lining, then. :)
2017-07-11 00:00 <BillBlight> I'm just going to blame Ubit anyway, he was the only one using it recently .. LOL :P
2017-07-11 00:00 <smxy> HA!
2017-07-11 00:00 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-11 00:00 <smxy> Heborokeit
2017-07-11 00:00 <smxy> er
2017-07-11 00:00 <smxy> Hebrokeit
2017-07-11 00:01 <Plugh> smxy: Next time there shouldn't be a huge mega dump of new code to the main code base. 
2017-07-11 00:03 <smxy> He said earlier that that was done with a long time ago, so it's all on him, now. :p
2017-07-11 00:04 <Plugh> really? It seems like I was still hearing until not too long ago that some issues may have been due to the massive code dump.
2017-07-11 00:04 <smxy> [17:31] <Ubit> avination merge is long gone
2017-07-11 00:04 <Plugh> There is the saying about release early, release often. I haven't known that to happen in either of a couple of projects I've been following.
2017-07-11 00:05 <Plugh> oh, sure. He says that now. :)
2017-07-11 00:05 <smxy> I'm content with there not being a release yet. More gets fixed.
2017-07-11 00:05 <Ubit> Plught wtf are you talking about?
2017-07-11 00:08 <smxy> But you are right, Plugh, some projects to adopt that policy - Firefox, for example.
2017-07-11 00:08 <smxy> do* adopt
2017-07-11 00:08 <BillBlight> The avn merge was over a year ago, other than fixing some things, all the current stuff is Ubit Originals ... ;)
2017-07-11 00:08 <smxy> They went a little crazy with it, at first, though, LOL.
2017-07-11 00:10 <BillBlight> ^^ for sure
2017-07-11 00:10 <smxy> Our product, at work, used to release every year or two. Now they feel the need to release everyquarter, so that our customers get new features sooner, and don't ever feel like we're delaying for whatever reason.
2017-07-11 00:12 <smxy> But for a project like this? I don't know that, in it's current form, it needs an established release cycle. "When everyone thinks it's ready" is probably just fine, IMNSHO, that is.
2017-07-11 00:28 <BillBlight> people seem to forget the pain and agony from .69, to .71, to .8x , it is a cycle that any software goes through when you have major changes ..  But this a tech centric thing, you move forward or get left behind .. And sometimes, you have to burn some bridges to keep the bad things from following you ...
2017-07-11 00:30 <smxy> Yes.
2017-07-11 00:30 <smxy> Provide as mich backwards compatibility as yoou can, for as long as you can, but eventually you just have to say 'buh bye!".
2017-07-11 00:30 <smxy> much*
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2017-07-11 01:09 <Ubit> ohh found my test car
2017-07-11 01:10 <Ubit> large regions do have issues :)
2017-07-11 01:10 <smxy> haha
2017-07-11 01:21 <smxy> That *is* what area search is for, you know. :)
2017-07-11 01:29 <Ubit> search things named object does not work that well :)
2017-07-11 01:29 <smxy> And whose fault is that? :)
2017-07-11 01:29 <Ubit> ( 2 many results )
2017-07-11 01:29 <Ubit> Bill's of course
2017-07-11 01:30 <smxy> haha
2017-07-11 01:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #5715 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-11 01:34 <smxy> And another thread is murdered by Ubrokeit. :(
2017-07-11 01:35 <smxy> hehehe
2017-07-11 01:36 <Ubit> nahh still there..  just no point firing it the the rez item is not found...
2017-07-11 01:36 <Ubit> etc
2017-07-11 01:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5715: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5715/
2017-07-11 01:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do lsl object rez checks on script thread before wasting time possible creating a new poll thread
2017-07-11 01:39 <osmantis> Bug #8208:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osGetObjectRezUuid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8208 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-11 01:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #5716 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-11 01:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5716: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5716/
2017-07-11 01:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove wrong comment on lsl object rez. we can't add delays on async process
2017-07-11 02:01 <BillBlight> Hmmmm something is my fault AGAIN!!!  You are starting to sound like my wife ..
2017-07-11 02:05 <Ubit> yeap starting to know you also .. :p
2017-07-11 02:07 <smxy> 
ACTION is quite happy he's single, thank you very much. He wouldn't have been able to re-purpose the Master Bedroom as a small datacenter, otherwise. :p

2017-07-11 02:07 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-11 02:08 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-11 02:08 <BillBlight> But see my other half is a IT project manager for a major health system, and has been a network admin for 15 years .... sooo BONUS
2017-07-11 02:09 <smxy> Ooooooooh. :)
2017-07-11 02:10 <Ubit> so you can only change the boxes when she is not looking ? :p
2017-07-11 02:10 <smxy> Do yoou say naughty IT stuff to each other, when you're bing romantic together? :P
2017-07-11 02:11 <smxy> being*
2017-07-11 02:11 <BillBlight> Nahh she has her stuff, I have mine .. If she was also a gamer, it would be even better ... but alas she is not a gamer
2017-07-11 02:11 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-11 02:11 <BillBlight> Dirty It stuff ... hmmm, no but when I am mad at her I call her Windows
2017-07-11 02:11 <smxy> LOL
2017-07-11 02:11 <Ubit> lol
2017-07-11 02:13 <Ubit> ahh do you got a tier 10 already Bill ? 
2017-07-11 02:15 <BillBlight> Have not played today, been messing with servers 
2017-07-11 02:15 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-11 02:15 <BillBlight> But I am going to create another account and downlod the EU version
2017-07-11 02:15 <Ubit> well i did the upgrade looked arond garage and left the game
2017-07-11 02:15 <Ubit> uff to scared to get into battle lol
2017-07-11 02:15 <BillBlight> I have the desire to chase you around and shoot you in the ass with a tank ..
2017-07-11 02:16 <Ubit> they did change several things
2017-07-11 02:17 <Ubit> hmm i dont have free garage slots to get a tier I again
2017-07-11 02:18 <Ubit> well we can go to a training room... 
2017-07-11 02:18 <Ubit> ill take a t95 so you can catch me
2017-07-11 02:20 <Ubit> ohh or mb not.. they did double the t95 max speed
2017-07-11 02:43 <smxy> You know, Bill, there's got to be a way we could suspend regions that are sitting idle, ala Kitely ...
2017-07-11 02:43 <smxy> That would be a very nifty thing to have.
2017-07-11 02:45 <smxy> Maybe make each region live in its own Docker container and detec when their are no inbound connections to it for a set period of time, maybe?
2017-07-11 02:45 <smxy> detect*
2017-07-11 02:48 <smxy> 
ACTION adds this idea to his ToDo list ...

2017-07-11 03:43 <BillBlight> Yeah that would be a nifty piece of code ... Could do something akin to WOL to bring the container to life ..
2017-07-11 03:45 <smxy> yes
2017-07-11 03:45 <smxy> what's yoour grid's name agaiin?
2017-07-11 03:47 <BillBlight> did you loose it ...
2017-07-11 03:47 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-11 03:47 <BillBlight> OpenSim Life is my grid name
2017-07-11 03:47 <Ubit> easy CrashingParadise
2017-07-11 03:47 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-11 03:47 <BillBlight> Only when Ubit is in attendance 
2017-07-11 03:48 <smxy> Ah, some of your residents are visiting my grid. And makiing the DB act up AGAIN. Sigh.
2017-07-11 03:48 <BillBlight> We didn't change your name to UbrokeIT for  no reason ..
2017-07-11 03:48 <smxy> Not their fault thoough.
2017-07-11 03:48 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-11 03:48 <BillBlight> Nichole?
2017-07-11 03:49 <smxy> JonnyBGoode and Sweet
2017-07-11 03:49 <BillBlight> Ohhhh 
2017-07-11 03:49 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-11 03:49 <BillBlight> yeah they are "collectors" LOL
2017-07-11 03:50 <smxy> yes and they were in the Arcadia Asylum freebie store here, taking things, which is 100% fine, but it was making Robust spew those max_packet_size errors again. Grr.
2017-07-11 03:51 <smxy> I also don't understand why my system says it is creating assets, when people from another grid take things.
2017-07-11 03:51 <smxy> It should be making them in theirs, not mine, yes?
2017-07-11 03:51 <BillBlight> read it closely it may be saying creating at the foreign grid
2017-07-11 03:52 <smxy> 23:23:54 - [ASSET DB]: MySQL failure creating asset a43b59a9-ed8c-4211-bcb8-33ea2e39d846 with name "Asteroid slow". Error: Packets larger than max_allowed_packet are not allowed.
2017-07-11 03:52 <smxy> 23:24:00 - [ASSET DB]: MySQL failure creating asset 4670c1aa-4569-4234-924d-3a3065263470 with name "* Privateer Space Stuff 1-p Free Vend". Error: Packets larger than max_allowed_packet are not allowed.
2017-07-11 03:52 <BillBlight> wow
2017-07-11 03:52 <smxy> That sounds like my asset table
2017-07-11 03:52 <BillBlight> yeah I don't get those errors atall
2017-07-11 03:52 <smxy> Why is my end making local assets even?
2017-07-11 03:53 <BillBlight> did  you recently convert to fsassets?
2017-07-11 03:54 <smxy> I have not.
2017-07-11 03:56 <smxy> I'd consider it, but it is not at all clear how I would perfectly sync a backup of them, with a backup of my DB. It needs to be a cut of both at the very same moment.
2017-07-11 03:57 <smxy> But I need to feed my cats. Back in 15 minutes or so.
2017-07-11 04:15 <smxy> back
2017-07-11 04:20 <smxy> If I could understand the backup issues, I'd convert in a moment.
2017-07-11 04:22 <smxy> Yeah, there's a whole lof=t I don't understand about fsassets
2017-07-11 04:22 <smxy> whole* lot*
2017-07-11 04:25 <smxy> Got any time to answer my noob questions about it, Bill?
2017-07-11 04:25 <smxy> Yes, I've read the wiki page. :)
2017-07-11 04:37 <smxy> Another time, then.
2017-07-11 04:45 <BillBlight> I was off doing stuff ..
2017-07-11 04:45 <BillBlight> lOL
2017-07-11 04:46 <BillBlight> Well if your NFS/SAN is fast enough you could just store it all on there, remember robust is what writes to it not the db ..
2017-07-11 04:46 <BillBlight> so the location of the db server is irrelavent
2017-07-11 04:47 <BillBlight> just have to make sure you keep it backed up 
2017-07-11 05:40 <smxy> But then there is zero way to say that *this* is the exact contents of the thing at any given point that I wouldld back up the database. And also that reduces me back to 1 reader/writer for the data, when I just spent significant effort going from 1 to 3....
2017-07-11 05:40 <smxy> I fell asleep. Time for bed.
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2017-07-11 07:04 <mcbits> Does anyone actually use Simian Grid? It seems abandoned...
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2017-07-11 08:06 <nebadon> mcbits it is very much abandoned
2017-07-11 17:59 <Ubit> meeting time hmm somewhere at osgrid
2017-07-11 18:00 <Ubit> region Projet secret (179, 146, 77)
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2017-07-12 00:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #5717 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-12 00:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5717: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5717/
2017-07-12 00:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  osSetParcelDetails: place hard restrictions on change owner,claimdate (both estate owner or manager) and group (same plus parcel owner that also needes to be a member of the new group); add PARCEL_DETAILS_SEE_AVATARS, PARCEL_DETAILS_ANY_AVATAR_SOUNDS and PARCEL_DETAILS_GROUP_SOUNDS
2017-07-12 00:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #5718 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-12 00:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5718: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5718/
2017-07-12 00:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  osSetParcelDetails: allow parcel group to be cleared also
2017-07-12 02:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #5719 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-12 02:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5719: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5719/
2017-07-12 02:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  osSetParcelDetails: make seeAVs send updates. This is a temporary patch, this function does need to call a framework land function that deos issue proper updates about all fields to all cleints. ( sounds will not stop/start also for now)
2017-07-12 05:47 <smxy> Ubit: you around?
2017-07-12 05:48 <Ubit> no
2017-07-12 05:48 <Ubit> oops damm
2017-07-12 05:48 <smxy> :)
2017-07-12 05:48 <smxy> Anything you can do to make groups handler stop blowing up when someone arrives wearing a group not in my grid? https://pastebin.com/ttKU8pkH
2017-07-12 05:49 <smxy> I got that when Bill arrived, for example.
2017-07-12 05:50 <Ubit> again a error in mysql ?
2017-07-12 05:50 <smxy> Isn't it just complaining because his group can't be found?
2017-07-12 05:51 <Ubit> never seen such a crash
2017-07-12 05:52 <Ubit> at MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlField.SetFieldEncoding 
2017-07-12 05:52 <Ubit> you had a crash here on some other case no?
2017-07-12 05:52 <smxy> It's *possible* it's related to my use of ProxySQL. But at this point, it's ONLY Robust that reports any errors. The regions are just fine.
2017-07-12 05:53 <smxy> I'm not sure why Robust would behave differently.
2017-07-12 05:53 <smxy> In regards to the proxy.
2017-07-12 05:53 <Ubit> opensim is only looking for the group
2017-07-12 05:53 <Ubit> OpenSim.Data.MySQL.MySQLGroupsData.RetrieveGroup 
2017-07-12 05:56 <smxy> None of the DBs reported anything in their error logs.
2017-07-12 05:56 <smxy> Let me check the proxy.
2017-07-12 05:56 <Ubit> connector again it seems
2017-07-12 05:57 <smxy> Using the one from the buid.
2017-07-12 05:57 <smxy> build*
2017-07-12 06:01 <smxy> No errors reported in the proxy logs either.
2017-07-12 06:02 <smxy> Yet Robust is definitely unhappy.
2017-07-12 06:02 <smxy> Is all of Robust code in one file?
2017-07-12 06:03 <Ubit> it is all over
2017-07-12 06:03 <smxy> Because it is reacting to the proxy in ways the regions don't.
2017-07-12 06:03 <Ubit> ?
2017-07-12 06:04 <smxy> It gave that error. It gives max_allowed_packet errors (when Bill logged in, on the stuff that makes up his HUD, and when he was taking assets off-grid).
2017-07-12 06:05 <smxy> But the region was fine.
2017-07-12 06:05 <smxy> But if I remove the proxy, Robust is happy again.
2017-07-12 06:05 <smxy> So, Robust is reacting to the proxy in ways the regions don't.
2017-07-12 06:06 <smxy> I need to figure out why.
2017-07-12 06:07 <Ubit> that code seems as 82 even
2017-07-12 06:07 <smxy> Hmm?
2017-07-12 06:07 <smxy> I don't understand what you just said.
2017-07-12 06:07 <Ubit> the code on the crash
2017-07-12 06:08 <Ubit> the part that builds que query
2017-07-12 06:08 <smxy> What about it?
2017-07-12 06:08 <Ubit> its the same as on version 0.8.2
2017-07-12 06:08 <smxy> Ah.
2017-07-12 06:10 <smxy> But I onlyget these kinds of errors when Robust is going through the proxy. This was all about the hud he was wearing. https://pastebin.com/sHxVFpPu
2017-07-12 06:11 <smxy> And other stuff he was wearing.
2017-07-12 06:13 <smxy> I also got a handfull more of those, related to things he was taking out of the grid.
2017-07-12 06:14 <smxy> Robust simply doesn't like the proxy while the regions appear to be okay with it. So Robust is doing something different, I assume.
2017-07-12 06:14 <Ubit> packet size not enought?
2017-07-12 06:15 <Ubit> some thing is very wrong with yr mysql
2017-07-12 06:15 <smxy> The proxy and the DBs are configured for 768M
2017-07-12 06:15 <Ubit> 11.00:53:30 - [ASSET DB]: MySQL failure creating asset d94e6845-4509-4895-86b6-666f2d11b71f with name "TP/KICK Hud 3.0(working)". Error: Packets larger than max_allowed_packet are not allowed.
2017-07-12 06:15 <smxy> No, the cluster is working fine. When I don't use the proxy, everything is perfect. When I use the proxy, Robust is unhappy.
2017-07-12 06:15 <Ubit> ( unless the error is wrong.. )
2017-07-12 06:16 <Ubit> so proxy messing things up ??
2017-07-12 06:16 <smxy> I checked the logs. No errors on any DB server or the proxy server.
2017-07-12 06:16 <smxy> Possibly.
2017-07-12 06:16 <smxy> But only for Robust.
2017-07-12 06:17 <Ubit> no idea
2017-07-12 06:17 <Ubit> this errors are strange
2017-07-12 06:17 <nebadon> that is easy
2017-07-12 06:17 <Ubit> 5.00:47:13 - [ASSET DB]: MySQL failure creating asset 67ada3c3-0fd9-46f2-a9ae-cd2e3de13f0e with name "New Script". Error: Packets larger than max_allowed_packet are not allowed.
2017-07-12 06:17 <nebadon> its mysql config
2017-07-12 06:17 <Ubit> really a scritp ??
2017-07-12 06:17 <nebadon> one sec
2017-07-12 06:18 <smxy> [02:15] <smxy> The proxy and the DBs are configured for 768M
2017-07-12 06:18 <Ubit> he is not using oracle or maria nebadon
2017-07-12 06:18 <Ubit> yeah very large script :p
2017-07-12 06:18 <nebadon> max_allowed_packet = 16M
2017-07-12 06:18 <nebadon> in my.cnf or my.ini
2017-07-12 06:18 <nebadon> and restart mysql
2017-07-12 06:18 <smxy> [02:15] <smxy> The proxy and the DBs are configured for 768M
2017-07-12 06:19 <nebadon> max_allowed_packet is definitely a sql variable
2017-07-12 06:19 <nebadon> so proxy shouldnt be a factor
2017-07-12 06:19 <smxy> Yes. But you haven't seen the whole conversation I assume.
2017-07-12 06:19 <nebadon> i have not
2017-07-12 06:19 <nebadon> and this is not a  maria issue
2017-07-12 06:19 <nebadon> this is a core mysql problem
2017-07-12 06:19 <nebadon> so you have it set to 768M 
2017-07-12 06:19 <nebadon> im not even sure it can go that high
2017-07-12 06:20 <nebadon> it may ignore that
2017-07-12 06:20 <smxy> When I do not route Robust through the proxy that sits in front of the DB cluster, Robust works fine, with no errors, talking directly to any one of the DBs. But when it is routed through the proxy, it is unhappy.
2017-07-12 06:20 <smxy> The protocol allows it to be set as high as 1G
2017-07-12 06:20 <nebadon> strange
2017-07-12 06:21 <smxy> yes
2017-07-12 06:21 <smxy> strange
2017-07-12 06:22 <smxy> The regions are using the same proxy server just fine
2017-07-12 06:22 <smxy> only Robust has issues when routed through it.
2017-07-12 06:22 <nebadon> nginx?
2017-07-12 06:22 <nebadon> what proxy?
2017-07-12 06:22 <smxy> ProxySQL
2017-07-12 06:22 <nebadon> ohh
2017-07-12 06:22 <nebadon> ok that is different
2017-07-12 06:22 <nebadon> its acting as a sql server
2017-07-12 06:22 <smxy> yes
2017-07-12 06:23 <smxy> and it has a setting to mimic mysql's max_allowed_packet, and THAT is set to 768M too.
2017-07-12 06:24 <nebadon> its the mysql-max_allowed_packet variable in proxysql?
2017-07-12 06:24 <smxy> yes
2017-07-12 06:25 <smxy> it's in front of a 3-node Percona XtraDB Cluster.
2017-07-12 06:26 <smxy> Configured so that only one gets the writes but any of the three can serve the reads.
2017-07-12 06:26 <nebadon> you are doing it from admin interface
2017-07-12 06:26 <nebadon> i found this
2017-07-12 06:26 <smxy> I connect to it like I would connect to mysql and set the variable the same way.
2017-07-12 06:27 <nebadon> SET mysql-max_allowed_packet=64*1024*1024;
2017-07-12 06:27 <nebadon> LOAD MYSQL VARIABLES TO RUNTIME;
2017-07-12 06:27 <nebadon> SAVE MYSQL VARIABLES TO DISK;
2017-07-12 06:27 <nebadon> https://github.com/sysown/proxysql/issues/845
2017-07-12 06:27 <nebadon> he says
2017-07-12 06:27 <smxy> Yup. Did that. :)
2017-07-12 06:27 <nebadon> ok hmm
2017-07-12 06:27 <nebadon> maybe shoot them a message on github
2017-07-12 06:27 <smxy> I always load and save any time I change anything.
2017-07-12 06:28 <smxy> Oh, I had a long thread on Percona's forums, and he replied. But about a different error, not that one.
2017-07-12 06:28 <Ubit> ( a little flood)
2017-07-12 06:29 <smxy> And he was wrong about the one he replied about.
2017-07-12 06:29 <nebadon> thats cool he answers questions at least
2017-07-12 06:29 <nebadon> hehe
2017-07-12 06:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #5720 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-12 06:29 <smxy> I was seeing many complaints about duplicate entries for primary keys.
2017-07-12 06:30 <smxy> They all went away when I changed the cluster from all 3 nodes can be writes and readers, to only 1 can be a writer but all three can be readers.
2017-07-12 06:30 <smxy> OpenSIM HATES it when any of the three can take writes to the DB.
2017-07-12 06:31 <smxy> Why OpenSim is even aware that that is the case, baffles me.
2017-07-12 06:31 <Ubit> guess a side effect somehow
2017-07-12 06:32 <smxy> OpenSim only sees the proxy, which looks like a single DB server to it.
2017-07-12 06:32 <smxy> So I don;t know why it would behave differently based on what's behind the proxy as far as readers and writers.
2017-07-12 06:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5720: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5720/
2017-07-12 06:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  osSetParcelDetails: add more land update code
2017-07-12 06:35 <smxy> I was discussing this with some other people the other day and we wondered of ProxySQL was making the packet as big as the setting, and adding headers that would push it over the limit, such that an identically configured DB would see the packet as tyoo big.
2017-07-12 06:36 <smxy> too*
2017-07-12 06:36 <smxy> So to test that, I think I should set the proxy to a little lower than the DBs. Say, to 512M.
2017-07-12 06:37 <Ubit> 02:36:43 - [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]:  lost DNS resolution for neighbour ajld.dynip.s
2017-07-12 06:37 <Ubit> apo.pt
2017-07-12 06:37 <Ubit> grrr
2017-07-12 06:37 <Ubit> Bill did you killed ubuntu resolver on the vm??
2017-07-12 06:38 <Ubit> ufff need to remember again how to do it :p
2017-07-12 06:38 <smxy> Bill's asleep. He kept nodding off when we were testing, so I tucked him in. :)
2017-07-12 06:38 <Ubit> well i did it once before.. just don't remember :)
2017-07-12 06:39 <smxy> Speaking of sleep, my vacation ended today, so I'd best get to bed as I have to work in the morning.
2017-07-12 06:50 <Ubit> ok did it
2017-07-12 06:50 <Ubit> and removed google dns
2017-07-12 06:51 <Ubit> and back the nice region crossings btw my win regions and that linux vm :)
2017-07-12 06:52 <Ubit> well when osg is also nice..
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2017-07-12 19:05 <Plugh> Is Kitely using a custom version of the scripting engine? AFAIK, they are running 0.8.2 but a script is benchmarking in Kitely at 934mS vs 77159mS in stock 0.8.2PF
2017-07-12 19:06 <Plugh> Another grid running 0.8.2 has a run time of 1/3 what I'm seeing with 082PF. Could it be a mono issue?
2017-07-12 19:14 <osmantis> Bug #8206:04 Cant place items on my grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8206 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-12 21:13 <osmantis> Bug #8206:04 Cant place items on my grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8206 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-12 21:33 <osmantis> Bug #8206:04 Cant place items on my grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8206 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-12 21:36 <nebadon> Plugh maybe a configuration thing
2017-07-12 21:53 <osmantis> Bug #8206:04 Cant place items on my grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8206 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-12 21:53 <osmantis> Bug #8206:04 Cant place items on my grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8206 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-12 21:54 <Ubit> like use of appdomains...  etc
2017-07-12 21:55 <Ubit> and script benchmarking across total dif platforms and versions?
2017-07-12 21:55 <Ubit> not that sure how to do that ...
2017-07-12 21:56 <Ubit> when the timing tools are diferent
2017-07-12 21:56 <osmantis> Bug #8206:04 Cant place items on my grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8206 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-12 21:57 <osmantis> Bug #8206:04 Cant place items on my grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8206 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-12 22:00 <osmantis> Bug #8206:04 Cant place items on my grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8206 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-12 22:04 <osmantis> Bug #8206:04 Cant place items on my grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8206 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-12 22:05 <osmantis> Bug #8206:04 Cant place items on my grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8206 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-12 22:11 <osmantis> Bug #8206:04 Cant place items on my grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8206 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-12 22:23 <osmantis> Bug #8206:04 Cant place items on my grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8206 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-12 22:24 <smxy> Another satisfied customer. :)
2017-07-12 22:24 <osmantis> Bug #8206:04 Cant place items on my grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8206 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-12 22:25 <Ubit> hmm not really
2017-07-12 22:25 <Bill_Blight> Ubit is Grumpy today ...
2017-07-12 22:26 <Ubit> that means i need to go find where we are stil missing culture setting
2017-07-12 22:26 <Bill_Blight> wait .. umm Ubit is grumpy every day ..
2017-07-12 22:26 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-12 22:27 <Ubit> and we are lucky LL did not decided to use imperial units :p
2017-07-12 22:28 <smxy> So, Bill. The next time you show up, I plan to run tcpdump. then review it afterwards, to see if I can figure out what the hell is going on.
2017-07-12 22:32 <Bill_Blight> Okies .. Might have some time later ... 
2017-07-12 22:33 <smxy> I have a feeling this will be the only way of getting to the bottom of it.
2017-07-12 22:35 <smxy> I'll run it on the Robust server, the region server, and the proxy server, so I can see it from all angles.
2017-07-12 22:36 <smxy> And the DB servers.
2017-07-12 22:37 <smxy> If you show up wearing that HUD you were wearing last night, that caused the spew, that might be enough.
2017-07-12 22:39 <osmantis> Bug #8206:04 Cant place items on my grid. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8206 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-07-12 22:44 <Plugh> Ubit, It is a simple and not fully scientific benchmark. It is a small LSL script that performs a few fixed operations many times and uses llResetTime and llGetTime to determine how long it took to run the tests.
2017-07-12 22:46 <Plugh> Under 0.9 the total run time is around 200 to 300mS. Under 0.8.2 on Kitely it takes about 934mS. On another grid running 0.8.2 it takes 25500mS. On the grid I just set up it is taking 77100mS.
2017-07-12 22:47 <Plugh> Variations in the machines don't account for a 3 fold difference in run time.
2017-07-12 22:48 <Plugh> Perhaps the range of run times is partly due to version of mono being used. I can try a different version but I'm still not sure which versions are really safe to use. I may try one of the recent 5.x releases.
2017-07-12 22:50 <smxy> I'm using 5.4.0.56 with some success, using settings Bill_Blight was kind enough to share with me.
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2017-07-12 22:52 <Ubit> check appdomain
2017-07-12 22:53 <Ubit> that is a major scripts timing issue
2017-07-12 22:53 <Ubit> wel as we said here time after time :p
2017-07-12 22:55 <Ubit> see mantis err ??
2017-07-12 22:57 <Plugh> The line is commented so it should be true if the value in the ini file is correct. It is a trade off between keeping memory use down and running scripts quickly. :P
2017-07-12 22:58 <Ubit> i have no idea what is its default on 82
2017-07-12 22:58 <Ubit> true is a performace disaster
2017-07-12 22:59 <Plugh> The grid is just being used for some proof of concept testing now so it is easy to try different settings.
2017-07-12 22:59 <Ubit> ok force it to false
2017-07-12 23:00 <Ubit> damm can't find the mantis i wanted :p
2017-07-12 23:00 <Ubit> hm its about lists...
2017-07-12 23:02 <Plugh> yea, that is also part of the issue here. The LSL script is doing tests that make use of lists. I know one of the people at the weekly meetings had been complaining about list performance in OS.
2017-07-12 23:02 <Plugh> I should be able to find that mantis as I put a watch on it.
2017-07-12 23:05 <Plugh> Nuts. I forgotten where the in viewer region restart thing is located.
2017-07-12 23:05 <Plugh> bbl. dinner time.
2017-07-12 23:06 <Plugh> holy cr*p! It makes an incredible difference. 
2017-07-12 23:12 <Ubit> plugh: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8127
2017-07-12 23:14 <Ubit> bin compiled in Debug mode:
2017-07-12 23:14 <Ubit>  AppDomainLoading = true -> 1.4ms per LOOP
2017-07-12 23:14 <Ubit>  AppDomainLoading = false -> 66ms per 100 000 LOOPS
2017-07-12 23:14 <Ubit>  bin compiled in Release mode:
2017-07-12 23:14 <Ubit>  AppDomainLoading = true -> 1.4ms per LOOP
2017-07-12 23:14 <Ubit>  AppDomainLoading = false -> 44ms per 100 000 LOOPS
2017-07-12 23:14 <Ubit> this is the impact of appdomains
2017-07-12 23:15 <Ubit> and not only on lists.. its on all
2017-07-12 23:17 <smxy> so false is faster?
2017-07-12 23:17 <Ubit> faster mb two small to describe the dif :P
2017-07-12 23:18 <smxy> well, if true is 1.4 per loop but falls is 66 per 100K, then true would be HUGE per 100K, yes?
2017-07-12 23:18 <Ubit> with true simple nanosecond operations became milisecond operations
2017-07-12 23:19 <Ubit> and that on all calls to LSL functions etc
2017-07-12 23:19 <smxy> so why would anyone use true?
2017-07-12 23:19 <Ubit> lots os myths about that on opensim history
2017-07-12 23:20 <Ubit> and it is the only way to actually delete a script from memory
2017-07-12 23:20 <smxy> As many would say "memory is cheap".
2017-07-12 23:21 <Ubit> but with this cost.. better just restart regions each night
2017-07-12 23:21 <Ubit> AND do use swap !!
2017-07-12 23:22 <Ubit> windows is actually more clever that linux on that..
2017-07-12 23:22 <Ubit> using swap, dead code like this does get out on physical memory
2017-07-12 23:23 <Ubit> windows does that a lot faster.. 
2017-07-12 23:23 <smxy> Bill says he eliminated swap. :)
2017-07-12 23:24 <Ubit> multitask os do like swap
2017-07-12 23:24 <smxy> Time to make dinner.
2017-07-12 23:24 <Ubit> but wwll if you have 128GB..  well ..
2017-07-12 23:30 <Ubit> hmm what was that freenode global notice about?
2017-07-12 23:32 <Ubit> hmm
2017-07-12 23:32 <Ubit> "The rules prohibit Internet providers from blocking, throttling, and paid prioritization�"fast lanes" for sites that pay, and slow lanes for everyone else."
2017-07-12 23:32 <Ubit> they do that anyway
2017-07-12 23:37 <Ubit> btw on one of last commits i did also included a change i had decided to skip, but did got along with another change on same file
2017-07-12 23:38 <Ubit> it does speed up list operations like those on appdomains some 5x to 20x
2017-07-12 23:38 <Ubit> but 20x versus 100 000x yeack meanless
2017-07-12 23:40 <Plugh> Ubit, thanks. I remembered the talk about the impact on memory. I had forgotten about its impact on script performance.
2017-07-12 23:40 <Ubit> postIts :p
2017-07-12 23:40 <Plugh> I'd probably lose the postits. :)
2017-07-12 23:40 <Ubit> yeap.. i do lose mine also :)
2017-07-12 23:41 <Plugh> I do recall there is a postit type program for Linux. 
2017-07-12 23:41 <Plugh> This is another one of those tidbits of information that needs to be added to the wiki. I did check the page about optimizing OS and the app domain thing wasn't mentioned.
2017-07-12 23:42 <Plugh> I'll add it to the page.
2017-07-12 23:42 <Ubit> i should just delete that uff
2017-07-12 23:42 <Ubit> but some do still want the option 
2017-07-12 23:43 <Ubit> we do have the domain cross place on a total wrong place
2017-07-12 23:44 <Ubit> its on the script dll.. that means all calls to LSL OS etc are domain crosses
2017-07-12 23:44 <Ubit> all those should be on same domain
2017-07-12 23:44 <Ubit> but then... no delete again
2017-07-12 23:45 <Ubit> sl used to do a nice trick in that
2017-07-12 23:45 <Ubit> we could go that way...
2017-07-12 23:46 <Ubit> so all scripts are on a single appdomain during normal exec
2017-07-12 23:46 <Ubit> but that.. all prims changes etc etc  will be a domain cross
2017-07-12 23:47 <Ubit> all things btw script engine exec and framework
2017-07-12 23:47 <Ubit> tons of things...
2017-07-12 23:47 <Ubit> and also performance relevant...  so .. yeackkk
2017-07-12 23:52 <Plugh> The whole app domain thing has been a pain for some time.
2017-07-12 23:53 <Ubit> yeap...
2017-07-12 23:53 <Ubit> they are there just because the delete issue
2017-07-12 23:53 <Ubit> they don't had protection etc also bc the cross is on the wrong place
2017-07-12 23:54 <Ubit> so just to delete things...
2017-07-12 23:55 <Ubit> and some things only.. others do get deleted..
2017-07-12 23:55 <Plugh> It makes me think of malloc/free memory allocation. It can cause memory fragmentation. The memory allocation libraries have to deal with that. I wonder if there is something in how they handle fragmentation that would be something that could be adapted to app domains.
2017-07-12 23:55 <Ubit> nahh dif thing
2017-07-12 23:55 <Ubit> a domain is a full process
2017-07-12 23:56 <Plugh> Yes, but it is still a fixed chunk of memory that was allocated for it.
2017-07-12 23:56 <Ubit> to is contains all information of a process
2017-07-12 23:56 <Ubit> the .net app domains is just a fast inter process comunication
2017-07-12 23:57 <Ubit> but still a inter process comunication
2017-07-12 23:58 <Ubit> that means.. a nanosecond function call, may became a mili second one...
2017-07-12 23:59 <Ubit> bc each call means tons of code in the way and copies of almost all data shared
2017-07-13 00:00 <Ubit> for example that commit i did on lists
2017-07-13 00:00 <Ubit> without it the list was coped on all calls to LSL
2017-07-13 00:00 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2017-07-13 00:01 <Ubit> i did made it be shared.. so 20x performance on the test one
2017-07-13 00:01 <Ubit> but as i said.. 20 is nothing relative to 100000
2017-07-13 00:02 <Ubit> so i had skip that commit
2017-07-13 00:02 <Ubit> dan did told me some ppl had crashs not using appdomains
2017-07-13 00:03 <Ubit> thats another issue somewhere..
2017-07-13 00:03 <Ubit> that appdomains did hide somehow
2017-07-13 00:05 <Plugh> hm...
2017-07-13 00:08 <Ubit> well those are old reports also i guess
2017-07-13 00:09 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2017-07-13 00:10 <Plugh> How does CompactMemOnLoad work? When you restart a region it wouldn't have any scripts so what is there for it to compact?
2017-07-13 00:10 <Ubit> does massive gc.collects
2017-07-13 00:10 <Plugh> It should only load scripts for objects in world during region start and skip ones that are no longer used by in region objects.
2017-07-13 00:11 <Ubit> it only does that on scripts compile
2017-07-13 00:11 <Plugh> oh
2017-07-13 00:11 <Ubit> on windows now it is not usefull
2017-07-13 00:11 <Ubit> the gc now does a better job removing the compilation things
2017-07-13 00:12 <Ubit> but i did turn it offf on linux and yeack...  its gc failed to release some 60MB
2017-07-13 00:13 <Ubit> ( on that test region.. )
2017-07-13 00:13 <smxy> BTW, Ubit, what does yeack mean? :)
2017-07-13 00:13 <Ubit> nothing :)
2017-07-13 00:13 <Ubit> a sound  like arggg :)
2017-07-13 00:13 <smxy> ah
2017-07-13 00:14 <Ubit> i did add it fighting gc...
2017-07-13 00:15 <Ubit> but we do achive better with more work
2017-07-13 00:15 <Ubit> start a new region...  let it cache all things..
2017-07-13 00:15 <Ubit> shutdown...
2017-07-13 00:15 <Ubit> restart
2017-07-13 00:16 <Ubit> ( well giving time before shutdown..  and doing backup  to mk sure all ok )
2017-07-13 00:16 <Ubit> remember Region Ready does not really mean that
2017-07-13 00:19 <smxy> I was told, some time ago, that we no longer have to run backup before shutdown, because OS persists the objects during shutdown, now.
2017-07-13 00:19 <smxy> And I do see it doing that.
2017-07-13 00:20 <Ubit> yeap it is better
2017-07-13 00:20 <Ubit> but a lot of things are async
2017-07-13 00:20 <Ubit> even ubOde that i made more sync does mesh processing async
2017-07-13 00:21 <smxy> what is your point?
2017-07-13 00:21 <Ubit> it most likely will still be doing that when you see region ready
2017-07-13 00:21 <Ubit> and backup does not know about that
2017-07-13 00:22 <smxy> we were talking about persisting during shutdown and whether you still have to issue the backup command or not.
2017-07-13 00:22 <Ubit> many parts of region code have no idea of what others are doing still
2017-07-13 00:23 <smxy> I must not be making myself clear.
2017-07-13 00:23 <Ubit> so on the case above..  you should give sometime bc shutdown
2017-07-13 00:23 <Ubit> understand?
2017-07-13 00:23 <Ubit> in past shutdown did not even did backup right..
2017-07-13 00:24 <Ubit> now it does in better..  but there are more things on earth horation... :p
2017-07-13 00:24 <smxy> Are you saying that the persist objects, that the region does on shutdown, is NOT good enough, so we still must run the backup command before shutting the region down?
2017-07-13 00:24 <Ubit> er horatio
2017-07-13 00:25 <Ubit> well you can also look to TOP
2017-07-13 00:25 <Ubit> to make sure the region did enter idle state...  but if scripts running.. it can be a high load
2017-07-13 00:25 <smxy> It's a yes/no answer. :)
2017-07-13 00:26 <Ubit> you really believe give answers like that?
2017-07-13 00:26 <Ubit> :P
2017-07-13 00:27 <smxy> It's a simple question, Ubit. Should we, or should we not, run the backup command, before shutdown?
2017-07-13 00:27 <smxy> On current dev code.
2017-07-13 00:28 <Ubit> ok i still do it on regions where i care about contents
2017-07-13 00:29 <Ubit> i can't put my hands on fire about the current code.. bc its a bit complex :p
2017-07-13 00:29 <smxy> You are as annoying AF sometimes.
2017-07-13 00:29 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-13 00:30 <smxy> Trust me, it's not something to be proud of.
2017-07-13 00:30 <Ubit> well on this case i think i told why i can't give a definitve Yes/no answer
2017-07-13 00:32 <smxy> Since you can't/won't, and given yoou comment about content, I've added it back inot my shutdown script (I only recently took it out).
2017-07-13 00:32 <smxy> given your*
2017-07-13 00:33 <Ubit> adding it does cost .. if there was nothing to do its fast
2017-07-13 00:33 <Ubit> does NOT cost i mean
2017-07-13 00:39 <smxy> BTW, when Bill showed up in my grid last night, my region went into a continuous, blazingly fast bake loop. He said sometimes textures get stuck in a bake loop and he wanted to mention it to you.
2017-07-13 00:39 <smxy> He had to change outfits to make it stop.
2017-07-13 00:40 <Ubit> seen that also.. but failed to repo :(
2017-07-13 00:40 <Ubit> so not sure what does trigger that
2017-07-13 02:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #5721 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-13 02:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5721: FAILURE in 7 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5721/
2017-07-13 02:07 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: rename SOG.UpdatePrimFlags as just UpdateFlags since this is relative to the group never individual prims/parts and so confusing
2017-07-13 02:07 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add more missing en-us culture on scene serializer writes
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2017-07-13 02:32 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
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2017-07-13 02:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix wrong test
2017-07-13 03:16 <Ubit> what a damm BUG
2017-07-13 03:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #5723 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
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2017-07-13 03:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: replace the wrong libOMV user modifiable Utils.EnUSCulture by our own no User modifiable Culture.FormatProvider, and also for internal coerence. We do use the libomv on other code paths, so that must be fixed
2017-07-13 03:19 <Ubit> jenkis really ?
2017-07-13 03:20 <Ubit> err
2017-07-13 03:20 <Ubit> hmm
2017-07-13 03:21 <Ubit> jenkins.. that did compile on win you fool :p
2017-07-13 03:23 <Ubit> hmm don't know how really
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2017-07-13 03:34 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
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2017-07-13 03:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: typo fix
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2017-07-13 04:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv fixing EnUsCulture
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2017-07-13 16:39 <smxy> Well, just had to shut down every last part of my grid that was unused. All empty regions, all regions whose owner's haven't logged in in ages, etc.
2017-07-13 16:40 <smxy> Lost the central air in my house and don't know when I can afford to get it fixed or replaced, so reducing the heat load that the servers generate.
2017-07-13 16:41 <Plugh> That sucks. Sorry to hear about that, smxy.
2017-07-13 16:41 <smxy> Now I can fit it all on one server, and shut the other one and a storage array down. That'll help a lot.
2017-07-13 16:42 <smxy> That room is closed and has a portable AC unit in it, but with the rest of the house un-cooled, it can't keep up, so if I reduce the heat from the servers, it should be able to keep the rest cool enough.
2017-07-13 16:43 <smxy> And I only shut down unused stuff, really, so the parts of the grid people care about is still up. :)
2017-07-13 16:55 <Bill_Blight> Sooo in other words, the places they can leech from are still up .. We know that is all people really care about these days..  Opensim has turned into a gigantic swap meet, with people spending most of their days comparing inventories ...
2017-07-13 16:56 <Bill_Blight> Yes I am feeling very cynical today ...  Maybe because I still believe that community and relationships will always be better than STUFF ...
2017-07-13 16:58 <smxy> Agreed, Bill.
2017-07-13 17:01 <smxy> That's one of the reasons why I'm working to get the infrastructure of my grid in tip-top shape, with reliable backups, etc., as I want to finally see about getting a small community of people to actually live in my grid, instead of thes builders who were happy to take me up on free sims to build on, but never made any effort to actually live in my grid. It gets lonely! :-/
2017-07-13 17:02 <Bill_Blight> I give a few free parcels, but I will never give away sims, don't care how "big" someone thinks they are ...  I would rather have 10 good people on my grid than 10000 leechers .
2017-07-13 17:03 <smxy> Well, these are nice people, whom I really like. I guess I never made it clear that I wanted them to live here, too.
2017-07-13 17:03 <Bill_Blight> Because like you smxy , I run my grid because I can, and it would be here even if it was just me .. But if I can share it, and make it bigger with the help of a few good people
2017-07-13 17:04 <Bill_Blight> I'm pretty straight forward .. and my grid's motto makes it pretty clear ..... "Social NOT Stuff"
2017-07-13 17:05 <smxy> And even though I'm on a cable connection, it's a pretty good one. So I do believe it could support a small community, considering rarely would they all be on at once.
2017-07-13 17:05 <Bill_Blight> Now I do want to make cool things to do on my grid, and have, but the goal is to get people to do those things in groups , with friends, socialize, which I still believe was the original point of SL, not the quest for stuff
2017-07-13 19:14 <smxy> Plugh: I have a 6K BTU unit in my office (thank the gods). I just ordered an identical on for my bedroom, across the hall, and a 15K BTU unit for the living room, downstairs. I pick them up after work tonight. They were a few hundred dollars, but should keep the house reasoably comfortable while I save up my pennies for a new central air system.
2017-07-13 19:17 <Plugh> smxy: That should help a lot. What's the outside temperature where you are?
2017-07-13 19:20 <smxy> 84F at the moment. But we're about to head into the 95-100F zone for the rest of the Summer and early Fall.
2017-07-13 19:21 <smxy> My central AC could never keep up with that, which is why I had the window unit in the office already.
2017-07-13 19:21 <Plugh> yea, that will be a bit toasty. Time to hide in the basement where it is a touch cooler.
2017-07-13 19:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #5726 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-13 19:22 <Ubit> separed ??
2017-07-13 19:23 <Ubit> ( hi folks )
2017-07-13 19:23 <Ubit> ufff my commits, unless  "Ooops" always have to have typos
2017-07-13 19:24 <Ubit> mb i should only coment with "Ooops " 
2017-07-13 19:25 <Ubit> so plugh needs to actually look to code :p
2017-07-13 19:26 <Plugh> Why do I need to look at code?
2017-07-13 19:26 <Ubit> well when u want to see what a commit means
2017-07-13 19:27 <Ubit> guess u need to look anyways :)
2017-07-13 19:27 <Plugh> When I'm reviewing hundreds of commit messages I can't be bothered.
2017-07-13 19:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5726: SUCCESS in 5 min 36 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5726/
2017-07-13 19:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add Util.GetTimeStamp() that returns the stamp in seconds; use it on ubOde; separed land collsions dispatch from the others...
2017-07-13 19:31 <Bill_Blight> Ubit, you have no one to blame, but you .. Unless your keyboard is broken ..
2017-07-13 19:32 <Ubit> i can blame the chair to keyboard interface
2017-07-13 19:32 <Bill_Blight> Yeah that interface you have there is a tad bit flakey ..
2017-07-13 19:48 <Plugh> Ubit needs a spell check as a pre-commit trigger  ;)
2017-07-13 20:01 <Plugh> Just saying that due to the number of times you seem to discover a typo after you push commits. 
2017-07-13 20:53 <djphil> Someone tried the Tree module recently with OS v0.9 ?
2017-07-13 21:38 <smxy> I don't think I've tried the tree module since version 0.7.0 :)
2017-07-13 21:48 <djphil> Hmmmm long time ...
2017-07-13 22:06 <djphil> Yesterday I tried to make it run on a standalone (dev code) but I did not get any tree on my region
2017-07-13 22:07 <djphil> i load the xml and plant but noting ...
2017-07-13 22:26 <Ubit> its forest fires season.. they all burned
2017-07-13 22:30 <djphil> Season 0.9 you mean :p
2017-07-13 22:36 <djphil> Maybe someone can confirm that Tree module is broken ?
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2017-07-13 23:06 <Bill_Blight> I can honestly say I have only ever used the tree module once ... LOL and that was back on .69 I think , did not like it putting treess in the middle of my buildings ...
2017-07-13 23:11 <djphil> lol, you can build after plant ^^
2017-07-13 23:49 <smxy> Oh joy, I stupidly didn't measure the damn window first and bought an AC unit that's too wide. LOL
2017-07-13 23:49 <smxy> Back to the store ...
2017-07-13 23:50 <smxy> Sometimes my stupidity amazes even me. :)
2017-07-14 00:04 <Plugh> smxy: Just widen the window. ;)
2017-07-14 01:02 <Bill_Blight> smxy do you own a Saw?  problem solved
2017-07-14 01:02 <Plugh> or, perhaps, an appropriately sized sledge hammer
2017-07-14 01:03 <Bill_Blight> Any problem can be solved by the proper application of either Duct Tape or C4
2017-07-14 01:42 <smxy> I took it back to the store and got the next smaller sized one (both in physical dimensions and BTU). It's cooling the living room now. After I feed the cats, I'll see about putting the other one in my bedroom, so I can sleep tonight.
2017-07-14 01:44 <smxy> It's identical to the one I have here in my office, and my bedroom is slightly smaller, so I know it'll do a good job. The one downstairs though is probably going to have to work overtime to keep the livingroom AND kitchen cool, and I have my doubts about the kitchen.
2017-07-14 01:44 <Ubit> just put some fans in the cats tails and tell them to keep shaking them
2017-07-14 01:44 <smxy> hehehe
2017-07-14 01:45 <Ubit> 
ACTION looks to his cats also

2017-07-14 03:24 <Plugh> Speaking of cats, mine is meowing for company.
2017-07-14 03:24 <Plugh> bbl
2017-07-14 03:31 <smxy> Well, the AC units are in. The place is comfortable now. The test will be to see how they cope when the sun's up and beating on the house.
2017-07-14 04:18 <osmantis> Bug #8209:04 Tree module seems to no longer work with OS v0.9 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8209 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2017-07-14 04:27 <osmantis> Bug #8157:04 [AUTO BACKUP] Code error timerMap does not contain a System.Timers.Timer timer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8157 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-07-14 04:28 <osmantis> Bug #8193:04 [SERIALIZER] Deserialization of xml failed and Failed XML (AutoBackupModule) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8193 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-07-14 05:02 <osmantis> Bug #8157:04 [AUTO BACKUP] Code error timerMap does not contain a System.Timers.Timer timer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8157 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-14 05:02 <Ubit> oops
2017-07-14 05:02 <osmantis> Bug #8209:04 Tree module seems to no longer work with OS v0.9 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8209 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-14 06:49 <osmantis> Bug #8209:04 Tree module seems to no longer work with OS v0.9 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8209 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-07-14 06:49 <djphil> Whats happen with this modules :s
2017-07-14 06:50 <djphil> Can a configuration parameter interfere with it?
2017-07-14 09:10 <Ubit> yeack have a region filled with oaks
2017-07-14 09:10 <Ubit> also on linux
2017-07-14 09:34 <nebadon> lol
2017-07-14 09:34 <nebadon> I remember Adam had a script for planting trees
2017-07-14 09:35 <Ubit> we have a module
2017-07-14 09:35 <nebadon> i set it wrong and walked away after started came back few minutes later to like 75000 trees
2017-07-14 09:35 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-14 09:35 <Ubit> well this is the treePopulatorModule
2017-07-14 09:35 <Ubit> guess it can do the same :)
2017-07-14 09:58 <Ubit> this trees code is damm heavy
2017-07-14 10:04 <djphil> I have a script to change the leaves of trees more lsl
2017-07-14 10:04 <djphil> Here Trees is an integrated module and at home it does not want to work :(
2017-07-14 10:04 <djphil> I do exactly like Ubit though
2017-07-14 10:05 <djphil> Tree load Oak.xml
2017-07-14 10:05 <djphil> Tree plant Oak
2017-07-14 10:05 <djphil> Tree active True
2017-07-14 10:05 <djphil> Then I wait, I wait, I wait ... but I do not see anything coming
2017-07-14 10:06 <djphil> Test carried out on 2 different simulators.
2017-07-14 10:07 <djphil> Really I do not understand :s
2017-07-14 10:07 <Ubit> bahh removing damm exponencially complexity code
2017-07-14 10:08 <Ubit> just delete damm trees without double looping all of them
2017-07-14 10:08 <Ubit> 100 trees.. 100*100 tests??  bahhh suicidal
2017-07-14 10:08 <djphil> lool
2017-07-14 10:09 <djphil> IfiI had already one, i would be happy :p
2017-07-14 10:11 <Ubit> hmm and if we shutdown the things stay in region for ever ?
2017-07-14 10:12 <djphil> arfff
2017-07-14 10:12 <Ubit> what a &$/&/%$&&& module :p
2017-07-14 10:13 <djphil> know bug :p
2017-07-14 10:13 <djphil> é à è
2017-07-14 10:15 <Ubit> 11:15:18 - [TREES]: New tree planting for copse Oak
2017-07-14 10:15 <Ubit> Region (ubittest11) # tree statistics
2017-07-14 10:15 <Ubit> 11:15:33 - [TREES]: Activity State: True;  Update Rate: 1000
2017-07-14 10:15 <Ubit> 11:15:33 - [TREES]: Copse Oak; 12 trees; frozen False
2017-07-14 10:16 <Ubit> 11:16:09 - [TREES]: Copse Oak; 47 trees; frozen False
2017-07-14 10:16 <djphil> you see "02 47 trees;01"  on your
2017-07-14 10:16 <djphil> mine rmain allways 0
2017-07-14 10:16 <djphil> remain*
2017-07-14 10:16 <Ubit> Copse Oak; 78 trees;
2017-07-14 10:17 <djphil> grrrr
2017-07-14 10:17 <Ubit> 99
2017-07-14 10:17 <Ubit> 100
2017-07-14 10:17 <djphil> I'm jealous :(
2017-07-14 10:17 <Ubit> and now stable
2017-07-14 10:18 <Ubit> i just delete trees at random
2017-07-14 10:18 <djphil> good :)
2017-07-14 10:18 <Ubit> not using that  absurd size distance math
2017-07-14 10:18 <Ubit> that did 100000  calculations each second
2017-07-14 10:19 <Ubit> or could do
2017-07-14 10:19 <djphil> Hmmm, better than me ^^
2017-07-14 10:19 <Ubit> why my trees are all grown ones?
2017-07-14 10:20 <Ubit> ahh no.. smaller there
2017-07-14 10:21 <Ubit> now what was supposed to happen on shutdown?
2017-07-14 10:22 <djphil> i don't know
2017-07-14 10:22 <Ubit> the xml config is lost
2017-07-14 10:22 <Ubit> trees stay on terrain and region db
2017-07-14 10:22 <djphil> conserver current Trees state and when restart, continue  ...
2017-07-14 10:23 <djphil> yeap
2017-07-14 10:23 <Ubit> i do no want to pollute dbs with this xml
2017-07-14 10:23 <Ubit> bad enought having a optional module that is not optional at all
2017-07-14 10:24 <Ubit> anyone actually used this? :p
2017-07-14 10:25 <djphil> yeah, with tide and birds
2017-07-14 10:25 <djphil> and clouds and configurable wind
2017-07-14 10:26 <Ubit> and having all them pernanent part of the region after shutdown ?
2017-07-14 10:28 <Ubit> hmm and nahh my trees are all large ones
2017-07-14 10:29 <jakdaniels> did someone mention tide and birds... lol.... must take those trigger words out of my ping list ;)
2017-07-14 10:30 <Ubit> dj came see my forest with simplified code
2017-07-14 10:30 <jakdaniels> are you using both modules djphil?
2017-07-14 10:30 <jakdaniels> what region ubit?
2017-07-14 10:30 <Ubit> he must have a Xeon per region
2017-07-14 10:30 <Ubit> ubittest11
2017-07-14 10:31 <Ubit> i just delete trees  randomly
2017-07-14 10:31 <djphil> Fun things for OpenSim are never forgotten jakdaniels :p
2017-07-14 10:32 <djphil> ooops TP wait lol
2017-07-14 10:33 <djphil> not actually Jack, but compiled on my Grid
2017-07-14 10:34 <djphil> Ubit ... TP is very very very slow ...
2017-07-14 10:35 <Ubit> jak is on my regions for ages :p
2017-07-14 10:35 <djphil> i'm on loading ...
2017-07-14 10:35 <jakdaniels> was fast TP for me...
2017-07-14 10:35 <djphil> arff TP failed
2017-07-14 10:36 <djphil> fail again, i restart
2017-07-14 10:38 <Ubit> just log at ubittest11
2017-07-14 10:40 <Ubit> what hell
2017-07-14 10:40 <Ubit> i can't select  things with trees being created
2017-07-14 10:44 <djphil> Perhaps it could grow in a random way ...
2017-07-14 10:44 <djphil> There he would appear very regular ...
2017-07-14 10:44 <Ubit> i did not changed the grow
2017-07-14 10:45 <jakdaniels> the select is a permissions thing.... they have no perms at all
2017-07-14 11:04 <Ubit> i know the grow thing
2017-07-14 11:04 <Ubit> its only 20cm per second
2017-07-14 11:04 <Ubit> 10
2017-07-14 19:21 <smxy> Ubit: I recall you wondering/commenting on what versions of OpenSim people are running. I'm iin the process of validating that all my gates work, and as I go to each grid, I gather the version they are running. When I'm all done, I'll share that with you. It should be for ~100 grids.
2017-07-14 19:24 <Ubit> ok
2017-07-14 19:25 <Ubit> LOL
2017-07-14 19:26 <Ubit> dj did you check terrain Height on the trees area? 
2017-07-14 20:27 <djphil> Terrain is fill to 20.5 Ubit
2017-07-14 20:35 <Ubit> yeah and on xml min is 21m
2017-07-14 20:36 <Ubit> on yr xml on mantis i mean
2017-07-14 20:36 <djphil> Haaaa, hmmm maybee my erreor then
2017-07-14 20:37 <Ubit> 
ACTION waits to ear dj say "Ooops"

2017-07-14 20:37 <djphil> MOm!
2017-07-14 20:37 <Ubit> ok that will do also :p
2017-07-14 20:38 <Ubit> now why is my new code all broken?? lol
2017-07-14 20:38 <smxy> Because ... Ubrokeit. :p
2017-07-14 20:38 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-14 20:39 <Ubit> 21:39:07 - [TREES]: adding copse Oak 
2017-07-14 20:39 <Ubit> ok this worked
2017-07-14 20:41 <Ubit> tree active true
2017-07-14 20:41 <Ubit> err no.. does not work here
2017-07-14 20:43 <djphil> yes, i see my First Trees :p
2017-07-14 20:43 <djphil> tyvm Ubit
2017-07-14 20:44 <Ubit> well the frist i see also.. but where are the other 99 ?? :(
2017-07-14 20:45 <djphil> 100 Trees planted here :)
2017-07-14 20:48 <Plugh> Starting a forest?
2017-07-14 20:51 <djphil> I watch if I see the trees grow
2017-07-14 20:51 <djphil> But I do not see growing
2017-07-14 20:51 <djphil> I just see appear and then disappear
2017-07-14 20:51 <djphil> Yet it is:
2017-07-14 20:51 <djphil> <m_initial_scale>
2017-07-14 20:51 <djphil>     <X>4</X>
2017-07-14 20:51 <djphil>     <Y>4</Y>
2017-07-14 20:51 <djphil>     <Z>4</Z>
2017-07-14 20:51 <djphil>   </m_initial_scale>
2017-07-14 20:51 <djphil>   <m_maximum_scale>
2017-07-14 20:51 <djphil>     <X>15</X>
2017-07-14 20:51 <djphil>     <Y>15</Y>
2017-07-14 20:51 <djphil>     <Z>20</Z>
2017-07-14 20:51 <djphil>   </m_maximum_scale>
2017-07-14 20:53 <Ubit> oops
2017-07-14 20:56 <djphil> if i change scale in the xml and say 'tree reload'
2017-07-14 20:56 <djphil> the new size isn't loaded
2017-07-14 20:56 <Ubit> reload replaces the xml
2017-07-14 20:56 <Ubit> see that odd name on the trees?
2017-07-14 20:57 <Ubit> that is a entire XML contents
2017-07-14 20:57 <Ubit> uff waste of memory
2017-07-14 20:57 <Ubit> look to one and compare to what u pasted above
2017-07-14 20:58 <djphil> console say: 22:56:00 - [TREES]: Found copse ATPM: Oak; 100; 31,0; 20,5; 120,0; Oak; <128, 12
2017-07-14 20:58 <djphil> 8, 0>; <4, 4, 4>; <15, 15, 20>; <0.01, 0.01, 0.01>;
2017-07-14 20:58 <Ubit> see same things
2017-07-14 20:59 <djphil> but i set minimum to 1 1 1
2017-07-14 20:59 <djphil> why reload don't load new param ?
2017-07-14 20:59 <Ubit> you need to kill the trees on region
2017-07-14 20:59 <djphil> Hmmm
2017-07-14 20:59 <Ubit> no reload is from the trees already on region
2017-07-14 20:59 <djphil> that not really a reload then
2017-07-14 20:59 <Ubit> it is
2017-07-14 20:59 <Ubit> just confusing
2017-07-14 21:00 <djphil> i wait all tree removing
2017-07-14 21:00 <djphil> but no see new tree with 1 1 1
2017-07-14 21:00 <djphil> and the reload command say allways 4 4 4
2017-07-14 21:00 <Ubit> you need to remove the entire old corse  bc loading xml
2017-07-14 21:01 <Ubit> tree remove Oak
2017-07-14 21:01 <djphil> Oki ... a little strange :p
2017-07-14 21:01 <Ubit> tree load Oak.xml
2017-07-14 21:01 <djphil> why is reload then lol
2017-07-14 21:01 <djphil> reload is reload ...
2017-07-14 21:02 <djphil> when i remove and load (NOT reload)
2017-07-14 21:02 <Ubit> it is RELOAD FROM REGION :p
2017-07-14 21:02 <djphil> .it work at 1 1 1
2017-07-14 21:03 <djphil> what is "reloadf from region" ?
2017-07-14 21:03 <Ubit> the real meaning of "reload"
2017-07-14 21:03 <Ubit> so you should not really do it
2017-07-14 21:04 <djphil> taht mean it reload Oak and not Oak.xml
2017-07-14 21:04 <Ubit> it is done on reagion start
2017-07-14 21:04 <Ubit> AHH no that is all worng on the module
2017-07-14 21:04 <Ubit> works on mine .. 
2017-07-14 21:04 <djphil> hahaaaa
2017-07-14 21:04 <Ubit> but rest does not :p
2017-07-14 21:05 <djphil> with reload, only the Copse is reloaded
2017-07-14 21:05 <Ubit> that code tries to find trees, before the prims rez from the region db :p
2017-07-14 21:06 <Ubit> man reload reads the trees in region and addes their copses
2017-07-14 21:06 <Ubit> bahh wait...
2017-07-14 21:07 <Ubit> that code is all broken anyways
2017-07-14 21:07 <Ubit> let me put my code in testing conditions
2017-07-14 21:08 <djphil> ok, now i see little trees 1 1 1
2017-07-14 21:10 <djphil> And growing up properly
2017-07-14 21:12 <djphil> The default terrain height in opensim is 20.5, true ?
2017-07-14 21:13 <Ubit> i have 3 trees
2017-07-14 21:13 <Ubit> 4
2017-07-14 21:14 <Ubit> damm why still all same size ?? grrr
2017-07-14 21:15 <djphil> What is the default terrain Height ? 20.5 or 21 ?
2017-07-14 21:15 <Ubit> don't remember
2017-07-14 21:15 <Ubit> water is 20
2017-07-14 21:15 <Ubit> i think
2017-07-14 21:15 <djphil> yes is 20 for water
2017-07-14 21:16 <djphil> But I will add note special to explain well that it is necessary to have the same height on the ground and in the xml
2017-07-14 21:17 <djphil> Mmmm i don't see any reference to the Tree Module on OpenSim wiki :s
2017-07-14 21:20 <djphil> i will add it to the User_Documentation / "Optionnal Features"
2017-07-14 21:20 <Ubit> wait for my changes
2017-07-14 21:20 <djphil> it seems that the good place to add it on wiki
2017-07-14 21:21 <Ubit> uff optional always present
2017-07-14 21:21 <djphil> JsonStore too
2017-07-14 21:21 <djphil> Freeswith too
2017-07-14 21:22 <djphil> AutoBackup too
2017-07-14 21:22 <Ubit> hmm guess i will make this true optional
2017-07-14 21:22 <djphil> enable true/false on ini is "optionnal" no ?
2017-07-14 21:22 <Ubit> ie you will neet a [Tres]  with ? enabled on it
2017-07-14 21:23 <Ubit> this does not follow our standards
2017-07-14 21:23 <djphil> yes but what's happen when you put  enable True on the ini
2017-07-14 21:23 <Ubit> but first make work again :p
2017-07-14 21:23 <Ubit> active is another thing
2017-07-14 21:23 <djphil> yeap
2017-07-14 21:23 <Ubit> is time evolution of the trees
2017-07-14 21:24 <djphil> problem with time evolution ?
2017-07-14 21:25 <Ubit> only the 100000 loops
2017-07-14 21:25 <djphil> oki
2017-07-14 21:25 <Ubit> minor :p
2017-07-14 21:25 <djphil> lol yes, just 100000
2017-07-14 21:27 <djphil> definition for trees modules is "Module for populating region with trees". That right ?
2017-07-14 21:27 <djphil> "with different trees" is better :)
2017-07-14 21:30 <djphil> tree load Oak.dae is better :p
2017-07-14 21:37 <djphil> I see a problem with scale
2017-07-14 21:37 <djphil> I see trees disappear before reaching the maximum size
2017-07-14 21:37 <djphil> I set from z 1 to z 15 but it disappears before being z 15
2017-07-14 21:41 <Ubit> will be worse on my code
2017-07-14 21:41 <Ubit> young trees also die
2017-07-14 21:42 <Plugh> Oak.dae?
2017-07-14 21:44 <djphil> yeap to load more pretty Trees
2017-07-14 21:44 <Plugh> Where did you get the file?
2017-07-14 21:44 <djphil> bin
2017-07-14 21:45 <djphil> or tree load <uuid>
2017-07-14 21:45 <djphil> Oak etc is Linden reference
2017-07-14 21:45 <djphil> no customisable
2017-07-14 21:46 <Plugh> ok. I don't see a dae for it anywhere in git master.
2017-07-14 21:46 <Plugh> I'm still looking for, or wanting to make, a good tree I can use for a money tree.
2017-07-14 21:46 <Plugh> So far, I haven't been happy with the ones I have made with snappy tree.
2017-07-14 21:49 <djphil> There I test Tree on a field with mounting
2017-07-14 21:49 <djphil> He seems to respect the height of the mountain
2017-07-14 21:49 <djphil> But it is still not very precise.
2017-07-14 21:50 <djphil> Yeap snappy trees is better than Linden Trees
2017-07-14 21:51 <djphil> With part of water on the ground it seems ok
2017-07-14 21:51 <djphil> Not a single tree in the water at the moment
2017-07-14 21:51 <djphil> Good :)
2017-07-14 21:54 <djphil> one problem too when i delete one tree on the scene
2017-07-14 21:54 <Ubit> im going to change this a lot..
2017-07-14 21:54 <djphil> a lot of message on console wih "Tree not in scene ...."
2017-07-14 21:54 <Ubit> this testing is not usefull now
2017-07-14 21:54 <djphil> oki
2017-07-14 21:55 <djphil> tree reload stop the flood console messages
2017-07-14 22:13 <Ubit> err my trees a tiny 2 big
2017-07-14 22:13 <Ubit> lol
2017-07-14 22:50 -!- IgorVorotiloff(~GuyCharle@unaffiliated/igorvorotiloff) has left #opensim-dev
2017-07-14 23:01 <djphil> Who is the original author of the Trees module?
2017-07-14 23:01 <djphil> Is WhiteStar Magic?
2017-07-14 23:23 <Ubit> no idea
2017-07-14 23:26 <djphil> oki
2017-07-14 23:30 <Plugh> AFAICT, Jeff Ames. His name appears for code dated 2008-05-01 which is the earliest date for the file.
2017-07-14 23:30 <Ubit> dj came see current mess
2017-07-14 23:31 <Plugh> hm... no. That commit was part of code clean up.
2017-07-14 23:31 <Ubit> hmm
2017-07-14 23:31 <Ubit> thing i seen the name on the mail list
2017-07-14 23:31 <Ubit> but don't remember
2017-07-14 23:32 <Ubit> possible also on the osg blog about it
2017-07-14 23:32 <Ubit> ohh my trees don't  grow
2017-07-14 23:33 <Ubit> well 10cm per sec is slow
2017-07-14 23:33 <Plugh> oh, IIRC we lost some history a while ago when some stuff was removed from master. I can't see anything before 2007.
2017-07-14 23:33 <Plugh> for that file.
2017-07-14 23:33 <Plugh> In January of 2007 the license was added to the file.
2017-07-14 23:34 <Ubit> well death and creation also a lot slower now
2017-07-14 23:36 <Ubit> oops and bug
2017-07-14 23:43 <djphil> arff again stuked on TP
2017-07-14 23:43 <Ubit> i killed the region :)
2017-07-14 23:44 <Ubit> need to add locks  grrr
2017-07-14 23:49 <Ubit> ok lets see now
2017-07-14 23:49 <jakdaniels> you can do it ubit.... raise ubittest11 region up above the sea with a proper forest on it... ;)
2017-07-14 23:51 <Ubit> ok region up
2017-07-14 23:51 <djphil> i see some region on osgrid hosted by duckdns.org ... Malwarebytes block duckdns.org
2017-07-14 23:55 <djphil> +1 Ubit for more realistic Trees :)
2017-07-15 01:29 <Ubit> oops
2017-07-15 01:30 <Ubit> i can't see anything trees 2 close :)
2017-07-15 02:03 <PopCorn> metropolis allow 0.9.1 dev version? get it: Fatal error: System.TypeLoadException: Could not load type 'OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModules.Meshing.Meshmerizer' from assembly 'OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModules.Meshing, Version=0.8.3.29627, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null'
2017-07-15 02:05 <Ubit> that is a region thing not grid
2017-07-15 02:05 <Ubit> the bin folder was clean?
2017-07-15 02:06 <PopCorn> was update the files but using same .ini 
2017-07-15 02:06 <Ubit> and delete bin/addin-db-002
2017-07-15 02:07 <Ubit> well that sound like a old version is on the bin
2017-07-15 02:08 <Ubit> actuall that name changed
2017-07-15 02:08 <PopCorn> OpenSim.ini ?
2017-07-15 02:09 <Ubit> no that file you pasted above
2017-07-15 02:09 <Ubit> delete it
2017-07-15 02:09 <PopCorn> was removed but same
2017-07-15 02:09 <PopCorn> folder deleted
2017-07-15 02:09 <Ubit> it name now is OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModule.Meshing.dll
2017-07-15 02:10 <Ubit> not OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModules.Meshing.dll
2017-07-15 02:10 <Ubit> oops :)
2017-07-15 02:10 <Ubit> well that should work also :p
2017-07-15 02:10 <PopCorn> last correct line: [ubODE]: ode library configuration: ODE ODE_EXT_no_debug ODE_EXT_trimesh ODE_EXT_opcode ODE_OPC_new_collider ODE_single_precision ODE_OPENSIM OS0.13.2   
2017-07-15 02:10 <PopCorn> after: Fatal error: System.TypeLoadException: Could not load type 'OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModules.Meshing.Meshmerizer' from assembly 'OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModules.Meshing, Version=0.8.3.29627, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null'
2017-07-15 02:11 <Ubit> ok that was that old dll on the bin/
2017-07-15 02:12 <Ubit> you want to use bullet or ubOde ?
2017-07-15 02:13 <PopCorn> I am trying ubOde
2017-07-15 02:13 <Ubit> ok you need to umcoment also UbOdeMeshmerizer on opensim.ini
2017-07-15 02:14 <Ubit> both ubOde things there need to be commented or uncom...  at same time
2017-07-15 02:14 <PopCorn> found the issue, I did not removed old .dll
2017-07-15 02:14 <PopCorn> as you say
2017-07-15 02:14 <PopCorn> thank you to help :) works now
2017-07-15 02:14 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-15 02:20 <smxy> Well, Ubit, I tried to login to my var, and can't. This is the error:
2017-07-15 02:20 <smxy> 22:14:46 - [LOGHTTP]: JSON-RPC request 222 POST to http://sanctuary.homelinux.org:7023/agent/6d989e4b-53ed-4217-98a8-4626a6d5cbda/ FAILED: Error getting response stream (ReadDone2): ReceiveFailure
2017-07-15 02:20 <smxy> 22:14:46 - [LOGHTTP]: JSON-RPC request 223 POST to http://sanctuary.homelinux.org:7023/agent/6d989e4b-53ed-4217-98a8-4626a6d5cbda/ FAILED: Error getting response stream (ReadDone2): ReceiveFailure
2017-07-15 02:20 <smxy> 22:14:46 - [REMOTE SIMULATION CONNECTOR]: Failed to create agent Shaun Emerald at remote simulator Eld2
2017-07-15 02:20 <smxy> 22:14:46 - [USER AGENT SERVICE]: Unable to login user Shaun Emerald to grid http://sanctuary.homelinux.org:8012/, reason: Service request failed: Error getting response stream (ReadDone2): ReceiveFailure
2017-07-15 02:20 <Ubit> dns issues?
2017-07-15 02:21 <smxy> No
2017-07-15 02:21 <smxy> I can login to other regions fine
2017-07-15 02:21 <smxy> just not my var
2017-07-15 02:21 <Ubit> well that is comms issue
2017-07-15 02:21 <Ubit> hmm or bad config
2017-07-15 02:22 <Ubit> region external ip ?
2017-07-15 02:22 <smxy> All my regions have sanctuary.homelinux.org as the external
2017-07-15 02:22 <Ubit> port ?
2017-07-15 02:22 <smxy> That is the port for that region
2017-07-15 02:23 <Ubit> well it is comms
2017-07-15 02:23 <smxy> If I am away from my grid, I can TP right to it.
2017-07-15 02:23 <smxy> I simply can't login to it.
2017-07-15 02:25 <smxy> If I can TP to it from outside my grid or from inside my grid, then please explain how it is "comms".
2017-07-15 02:30 <smxy> I guess you can't.
2017-07-15 02:38 <smxy> That was such a useful troubleshooting session.
2017-07-15 02:40 <Ubit> what is robust version ?
2017-07-15 02:41 <Ubit> hmm well never mind.. not that
2017-07-15 02:43 <smxy> Everything is running: Version: OpenSim 0.9.1.0 Dev        ead95e8 2017-07-07 04:57:57 +0100 [CentOS 7.3.1611/Mono 5.4.0.56] (SIMULATION/0.3 - SIMULATION/0.6)
2017-07-15 02:43 <smxy> So, week old code.
2017-07-15 02:45 <smxy> I have a big clue for you.
2017-07-15 02:45 <smxy> I just logged into that region.
2017-07-15 02:46 <smxy> The difference is that I selected <type region here> and typed Eld2 instead of logging in using my "Eld2" LM, which appears to work just perfectly for everything EXCEPT logging in.
2017-07-15 02:48 <Ubit> so a lm on splash screen ?
2017-07-15 02:49 <smxy> Yes. Firestorm lets you expose them at login time so you can login at an LM
2017-07-15 02:49 <smxy> I believe it works fine for non-var LMs, but I should go check that right now.
2017-07-15 02:50 <Ubit> and does it send it to login in a format acceptable by it?
2017-07-15 02:51 <smxy> How would I know? I don't know what's in an LM
2017-07-15 02:51 <smxy> It failed on a non-var LM too
2017-07-15 02:51 <Ubit> and how do i know?  really?
2017-07-15 02:51 <Ubit> bahh
2017-07-15 02:51 <smxy> well, let me look a little closer at the log. :)
2017-07-15 02:53 <smxy> Actually, let me try an LM for a non-var, that is *up*. :P
2017-07-15 02:54 <smxy> Okay, logging in to a non-var LM worked. Now let me try the var again, so I can grab the full log i=of it for pastebin.
2017-07-15 02:54 <smxy> of*
2017-07-15 02:56 <smxy> Sigh. Of course, this time it *worked*.
2017-07-15 02:56 <Ubit> lol
2017-07-15 02:57 <smxy> Let me scroll back and find the log for when it failed, so I can compare the two log snippets. That might give a clue.
2017-07-15 02:57 <Ubit> well alchemy last time i checked on osg splash, selecting lbsa it went look for it at sl
2017-07-15 02:58 <djphil> Ubit, maybee a bug on Trees
2017-07-15 02:59 <Ubit> you still don't have the replacement code
2017-07-15 02:59 <djphil> when i set xml m_initial_scale to float value like 0.5
2017-07-15 02:59 <Ubit> and yes i have a bug on it.. trying to work on it
2017-07-15 02:59 <djphil> 1 work fine but 0.5 no
2017-07-15 02:59 <Ubit> but tell
2017-07-15 02:59 <djphil> it rez only one tree with 0.5
2017-07-15 03:02 <Ubit>  <m_initial_scale>
2017-07-15 03:02 <Ubit>     <X>0.5</X>
2017-07-15 03:02 <Ubit> ?
2017-07-15 03:02 <djphil> x y and z
2017-07-15 03:02 <Ubit> man that is grass lol
2017-07-15 03:03 <djphil> lol nooo
2017-07-15 03:03 <djphil> little Palm
2017-07-15 03:03 <Ubit> yes it is :)
2017-07-15 03:03 <djphil> try with Palm1
2017-07-15 03:03 <djphil> Palm.xml don't work
2017-07-15 03:03 <Ubit> nadd wait a bit
2017-07-15 03:03 <djphil> but Palm1.xml work
2017-07-15 03:03 <Ubit> and you will test it
2017-07-15 03:03 <djphil> ok ok i wait :p
2017-07-15 03:08 <smxy> The only differences I see are: working sent these coords: uri:Eld2&63&148&154 and failed sent these coords: uri:Eld2&52&224&162 and failed had a carriage return in the middle of a line that working didn't.
2017-07-15 03:08 <Ubit> and still can't fix the select issue
2017-07-15 03:09 <Ubit> estate owners need to be carefull
2017-07-15 03:09 <Ubit> mb that it is a viewer thing this select issue :(
2017-07-15 03:09 <Ubit> bc now i do send the trees unselected
2017-07-15 03:10 <djphil> "unselected" ?
2017-07-15 03:10 <Ubit> yeap
2017-07-15 03:11 <smxy> So, basically, no difference between working and failed, except that failed failed.
2017-07-15 03:11 <djphil> what is a tree unselected ?
2017-07-15 03:11 <Ubit> so that CR is the isseu?
2017-07-15 03:11 <Ubit> ( last was for smxy
2017-07-15 03:11 <smxy> The CR was in the LOG line.
2017-07-15 03:12 <smxy> working had: 22:55:57 - [GATEKEEPER SERVICE]: Login request for Shaun Emerald @ http://sanctuary.homelinux.org:8012/ (6d989e4b-53ed-4217-98a8-4626a6d5cbda) at e229aa30-eaad-11e3-ac10-0800200c9a66 using viewer Firestorm-Releasex64 5.0.1.52150, channel Firestorm-Releasex64, IP 192.168.30.100, Mac b7a0c0c22826dd16019b081c9b6796ad, Id0 a70f2bbb4ef8346dac5ef50bc4598664, Teleport Flags: ViaLogin, 
2017-07-15 03:12 <smxy> Godlike, ViaRegionID. From region Unknown
2017-07-15 03:13 <smxy> failed had the exact same line, but with a different timestamp, of course, and a CR, instead of a space, in front of "Id0"
2017-07-15 03:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #5727 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-15 03:14 <Ubit> test singu if can
2017-07-15 03:15 <smxy> I can't right now, but will over the weekend and will let you know. But I really only use Firestorm.
2017-07-15 03:16 <smxy> I will, but why do we test with dead viewers? :)
2017-07-15 03:18 <Ubit> at e229aa30-eaad-11e3-ac10-0800200c9a66 is the same on both cases ?
2017-07-15 03:18 <smxy> checking
2017-07-15 03:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5727: SUCCESS in 7 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5727/
2017-07-15 03:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fixes and changes on TreePopulatorModule. Please read OpenSimDefaults.ini
2017-07-15 03:20 <smxy> yes, after replacing the CR with a space, the two lines are identical, except for the timestamp.
2017-07-15 03:20 <Ubit> well don't know :(
2017-07-15 03:20 <Ubit> if you type region name and location all works ?
2017-07-15 03:21 <Ubit> dj.. now my region has grass that looks like oaks :p
2017-07-15 03:22 <djphil> You can hide behind it then ^^
2017-07-15 03:22 <smxy> When I login by region mae, I only give the name, never the coords, as that region has a telehub that would decide anyway.
2017-07-15 03:22 <Ubit> im not that short :p
2017-07-15 03:24 <Ubit> dj don't forget the opensimdefaults.ini changes
2017-07-15 03:26 <djphil> i read the commit yes
2017-07-15 03:26 <djphil> and see the scary message "DANGER"
2017-07-15 03:27 <Ubit> you seen how my net went totally down
2017-07-15 03:27 <djphil> yes
2017-07-15 03:35 <Ubit> smx you don't have on robust logs like "[LLOGIN SERVICE]: Found destination {0}, endpoint {1} for {2} {3}",
2017-07-15 03:35 <Ubit> for those cases?
2017-07-15 04:09 <osmantis> Bug #8209:04 Tree module seems to no longer work with OS v0.9 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8209 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-15 04:14 <smxy> Ubit: let me look.
2017-07-15 04:15 <Ubit> hmm and what it the tll of that NS ?
2017-07-15 04:15 <smxy> They both have that line. It is identical, except for the timestamp
2017-07-15 04:15 <Ubit> i mean more lines
2017-07-15 04:16 <Ubit> there are a bunch during logins
2017-07-15 04:16 <smxy> Yes. I have the complete logs of both attempts.
2017-07-15 04:16 <Ubit> but well the errors you did paste where comms errors .. 
2017-07-15 04:16 <smxy> I'm comparing them, side-by-side
2017-07-15 04:17 <Ubit> i do get idential with my 1min ttl DNS, using gooble public dns
2017-07-15 04:17 <smxy> Yes, the working logs and the failed logs are identical, right up until the failed one failed.
2017-07-15 04:18 <Ubit> yes smxy that was the wrong button :p
2017-07-15 04:18 <smxy> all I did was press return, lol
2017-07-15 04:18 <smxy> [00:17] <smxy> Yes, the working logs and the failed logs are identical, right up until the failed one failed.
2017-07-15 04:21 <smxy> Intermittent failures are a bitch to figure out.
2017-07-15 04:21 <Ubit> yeap
2017-07-15 04:22 <Ubit> with the dns issue i called lots of bad names to mono
2017-07-15 04:22 <Ubit> and it was A.  ubuntu resolver.. the worse
2017-07-15 04:22 <Ubit> B google public dns
2017-07-15 04:22 <smxy> Mono deserved every one of them, even thoough it wasn't at fault *that* time. :)
2017-07-15 04:23 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-15 04:23 <Ubit> i do get that on tps at lbsa to my region..  identical error
2017-07-15 04:24 <Ubit> most time a retry a few secs later works fine
2017-07-15 04:25 <Ubit> h,, DJ are yoy cutting down trees for wood ?
2017-07-15 04:25 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-15 04:27 <djphil> Rigorous Winter Provisions
2017-07-15 04:28 <Ubit> well mb later i make the trees scale and position dispersion variables a option
2017-07-15 04:29 <Ubit> some may like to have trees of identical age
2017-07-15 04:29 <djphil> ok cool :)
2017-07-15 04:29 <Ubit> well scale u can do it already on the oar.. silly me
2017-07-15 04:30 <djphil> Mm?
2017-07-15 04:31 <Ubit> <m_initial_scale> and </m_maximum_scale> identical
2017-07-15 04:31 <Ubit> hmm better not equal for now
2017-07-15 04:31 <djphil> sure
2017-07-15 04:32 <djphil> and min over max not too :p
2017-07-15 04:32 <djphil> Or make pears ^^^
2017-07-15 04:35 <Ubit> on the oar..  dahhh on the xml
2017-07-15 04:36 <djphil> ha ok i understand better now
2017-07-15 04:36 <djphil> scale oar can't scale content
2017-07-15 04:38 <djphil> Using llRezObject in a loop to rez 500 or more object seems difficult for XEngine :s
2017-07-15 04:39 <Ubit> lRezObject is heavy
2017-07-15 04:39 <djphil> allways loop break
2017-07-15 04:39 <Ubit> oh?
2017-07-15 04:39 <Ubit> set appdomain false
2017-07-15 04:40 <djphil> let me see if i turn it on true first ^^
2017-07-15 04:41 <djphil> i have AppDomainLoading = false
2017-07-15 04:41 <Ubit> oops found a wall of tree :)
2017-07-15 04:41 <djphil> lol
2017-07-15 04:42 <Ubit> my oaks now are pines :)
2017-07-15 04:43 <djphil> for exemple i rez a pdb DNA  47Ko (639 atoms) and it rez only +/- 300 atoms and then, loop break
2017-07-15 04:43 <djphil> have you try Palm.xml
2017-07-15 04:43 <djphil> it seam broken
2017-07-15 04:43 <djphil> Palm1 work but not Palm
2017-07-15 04:43 <smxy> Not hairy?
2017-07-15 04:44 <djphil> Bunny is hairy
2017-07-15 04:44 <smxy> No, Bunny is furry.
2017-07-15 04:45 <smxy> But Palms can be hairy. :)
2017-07-15 04:45 <djphil> true :)
2017-07-15 04:45 <Ubit> Eucalyptus are strange
2017-07-15 04:46 <smxy> Koalas love Eucalyptus.
2017-07-15 04:46 <smxy> Favorite food.
2017-07-15 04:46 <djphil> and Koala is furry
2017-07-15 04:46 <smxy> Yes :)
2017-07-15 04:46 <Ubit> and viewers LODs is really bad to them
2017-07-15 04:46 <djphil> hairy furry
2017-07-15 04:47 <smxy> But some dogs are furry and others are hairy.
2017-07-15 04:54 <smxy> Time for bed.
2017-07-15 13:57 <smxy> I love some of the names people create for their avatars. A 'BaronessHilda VonLockJaw' visited my grid today. :p
2017-07-15 16:41 <BillBlight> Yeah smxy that one landed on my grid too, I had to laugh
2017-07-15 17:46 <Ubit> hmmm i can't add a randon tilt to trees without breaking all xml files
2017-07-15 17:47 <Ubit> or doing the all  serialiser byt hand 
2017-07-15 17:47 <Ubit> and beeing a viewer side thing, we can't be sure LL will not remove them  folloed by tvps
2017-07-15 17:48 <Ubit> wind effects where removed from them
2017-07-15 17:48 <Ubit> odd
2017-07-15 17:48 <Ubit> because vegetiation is a fundamental immersion thing..
2017-07-15 17:50 <Ubit> and using prims and meshs is dam expensive, when that are math generators like viewers use
2017-07-15 17:57 <Ubit> changed http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8209#bugnotes
2017-07-15 17:58 <Ubit> errr
2017-07-15 17:58 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8209
2017-07-15 17:59 <Ubit> guess this module can only be used to plant trees and leave then alone
2017-07-15 17:59 <Ubit> everything else is just unpractical
2017-07-15 18:37 <osmantis> Bug #8209:04 Tree module seems to no longer work with OS v0.9 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8209 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-15 18:52 <Plugh> djphil: Have you tried the tree module with a seed point that has a Z on the land instead of at 0.
2017-07-15 18:52 <Plugh> ?
2017-07-15 18:53 <Plugh> In case that makes any difference
2017-07-15 19:23 <Ubit> i think i removed used on seed Z
2017-07-15 19:23 <Ubit> use
2017-07-15 19:23 <Ubit> it was kinda wrong
2017-07-15 19:24 <Ubit> well not pure worng.. just whatever :P
2017-07-15 19:25 <Ubit> i did remove from the range.. only use x,y
2017-07-15 19:26 <Ubit> ufff i could rewrite this all
2017-07-15 19:27 <Ubit> possible adding a control prim per copse and ossl 
2017-07-15 19:27 <Ubit> but LL already removed wind effects from the trees.. so not sure the future of them
2017-07-15 19:27 <Ubit> viewer side i mean
2017-07-15 19:28 <Ubit> yeap we can link them
2017-07-15 19:29 <Ubit> so each copse could be a SOG
2017-07-15 19:30 <Ubit> lol  only the one as root is selectable by FS 
2017-07-15 19:31 <Ubit> so a root control prim whould be nice
2017-07-15 19:31 <Ubit> but guess no one here cares :p
2017-07-15 19:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #5728 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-15 20:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5728: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5728/
2017-07-15 20:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Ooopsss
2017-07-15 20:58 <smxy> Ubit, I really wish you would stop with the completely useless commit messages and just stick to informative messages about what the commit does. 
2017-07-15 21:03 <Plugh> smxy: :)  I've commented on that before.
2017-07-15 21:06 <Plugh> hm... that's a pretty big "oops" commit.
2017-07-15 21:10 <smxy> They do no one any good and they not only make him look sloppy, it makes it look like he couldn't bother to explain his commit - and if he can't be bothered to explain his changes, then why is he allowed to change the code? Developers I work with would never be allowed to get away with such terrible commit messages.
2017-07-15 21:23 <BillBlight> Then maybe he should just stop working on it
2017-07-15 21:24 <smxy> I think you know that's not what I mean.
2017-07-15 21:24 <BillBlight> oh I know it is not what you mean, but also maybe not look a gift horse in the mouth either
2017-07-15 21:24 <smxy> But useless messages like "oops" or "bug fix" do no one any good and look sloppy as Hell.
2017-07-15 21:25 <BillBlight> Does not bother  me as I always look at the diff
2017-07-15 21:26 <BillBlight> And I would rather be appreciative of what he is doing, and maybe have to read a little, than complain about someone working on this stuff for FREE for US ...
2017-07-15 21:27 <BillBlight> If we were paying ubit a salary, I'd complain too .. but as is, I'm just happy he is working on it ..
2017-07-15 21:27 <smxy> I didn't complain about him working on this. I complained about his sometimes terrible commit messages.
2017-07-15 21:28 <BillBlight> Well to me that is part of the work, maybe a little ecentric , maybe not the best explinations, but I'd rather have those than nothing
2017-07-15 21:32 <smxy> Well, I said my piece. I'll be quiet now.
2017-07-15 22:15 <Ubit> well 2 quiet mb :p
2017-07-15 22:17 <smxy> I'm here. :)
2017-07-15 22:18 <Ubit> and i have noticed you may have some wrong ideas to my obligations as core-dev relative to suporting you...
2017-07-15 22:18 <smxy> At Bill's suggestion, I'm trying MySQL Router to see if it will help me narrow down why I am having so much trouble when using ProxySQL. Reading the documentation now ...
2017-07-15 22:18 <Ubit> like this coments about my commits and that problem with login kinda shown
2017-07-15 22:19 <Ubit> but ok lets go on
2017-07-15 22:20 <smxy> I will say no more aboout the commit messages. As for asking for help, there really isn't any other dore dev to ask. I most certainly do (and did) appreciate your help with that though.
2017-07-15 22:21 <smxy> core* dev
2017-07-15 22:21 <Ubit> yeah.. so well lets go on... ill try to help as befoer... when i can .. etc
2017-07-15 22:21 <Ubit> and when u see Ooops look to previus commit...
2017-07-15 22:21 <Ubit> that just means i made a silly mistake on that
2017-07-15 22:22 <Ubit> my slopy rules... i know :p
2017-07-15 22:23 <Ubit> in that case...  == in place of !=  and a missing lock :p
2017-07-15 22:26 <smxy> Ubit: For the record, I do understand that you are under no obligation to help in any way, but as I mentioned, it's not like there's anyone else to ask. I'm generally pretty knowledageable about OpenSim, having hung out in here for many years now, so I *do* try not to be a pest.
2017-07-15 22:27 <Ubit> you fail sometimes
2017-07-15 22:27 <Ubit> hihihi
2017-07-15 22:27 <Ubit> don't we all ? :)
2017-07-15 22:27 <smxy> Then we're even. :)
2017-07-15 22:27 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-15 22:29 <BillBlight> Welll for some reason Jak's bird module blows up my region .. compiles fine .. .but as soon as the module loads it gives me a "Out of memory" exception ... was just an experiment
2017-07-15 22:31 <Ubit> i do remember some work done on it discussed here  already on 0.8
2017-07-15 22:31 <Ubit> ooops 0.9 i mean
2017-07-15 22:31 <BillBlight> I am wondering if my 8x8 is just too big for it ... LOL .. I'll test it on a smaller region
2017-07-15 22:33 <Ubit> yeackkk BIRDS:::  humming things...
2017-07-15 22:33 <Ubit> what a pain i had with those in avination
2017-07-15 22:33 <Ubit> fliiping wings at  absurd rates...
2017-07-15 22:34 <Ubit> moving to other flower at warp speeds
2017-07-15 22:34 <Ubit> yeackkk
2017-07-15 22:34 <BillBlight> hehe
2017-07-15 22:34 <Ubit> region crashs in 10min if not seconds
2017-07-15 22:34 <Ubit> ufff
2017-07-15 22:35 <Ubit> ohh and a fish and its script
2017-07-15 22:36 <Ubit> all ok..
2017-07-15 22:36 <Ubit> returned to region a hour later and there it was swiming upside down
2017-07-15 22:37 <Ubit> but birds.. grrr :)
2017-07-15 22:38 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-15 22:38 <Ubit> well some of that work to make the humming (?)  birds work there is now here
2017-07-15 22:38 <BillBlight> cute little biridies make Ubit freak out ... awwwww
2017-07-15 22:38 <Ubit> on linking, shapes changes etc
2017-07-15 22:38 <BillBlight> :P
2017-07-15 22:39 <Ubit> kust dont ask me to look at birds again :p
2017-07-15 22:39 <BillBlight> hehe
2017-07-15 22:40 <Ubit> the trees still don't work for you??
2017-07-15 22:40 <BillBlight> how about bats, can we do bats, no birds how about a BAT module, only comes out at night ... LOL :P
2017-07-15 22:40 <Ubit> if the bats stay still sleeping upside down.. no probs 
2017-07-15 22:40 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-15 22:40 <BillBlight> no trees not working, I am 99% sure I have something screwed up on that region .. 
2017-07-15 22:40 <djphil> Hello :)
2017-07-15 22:41 <Ubit> hi dj
2017-07-15 22:41 <BillBlight> well, see now here comes trouble ... Hi djphil
2017-07-15 22:41 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-15 22:41 <djphil> Tadaaaa
2017-07-15 22:41 <Ubit> ( don' tell him about birds!!! )
2017-07-15 22:41 <Ubit> ohh crap i just did
2017-07-15 22:42 <djphil> LAst time i test it it work
2017-07-15 22:42 <BillBlight> LMAO
2017-07-15 22:42 <BillBlight> blows up on my 8x8
2017-07-15 22:42 <BillBlight> will test later on smaller region
2017-07-15 22:42 <djphil> For once i was lucky
2017-07-15 22:43 <Ubit> dj i did had comments on the mantis about trees
2017-07-15 22:43 <djphil> What you say to me above Ubit (about Z) ?
2017-07-15 22:44 <Ubit> seed Z ?
2017-07-15 22:44 <djphil> yes i have read your comment
2017-07-15 22:44 <Ubit> i removed its use from code
2017-07-15 22:44 <djphil> yes about seed Z
2017-07-15 22:44 <Ubit> only X Y matter
2017-07-15 22:44 <Ubit> Z restriction is on the xml
2017-07-15 22:45 <djphil> you remove it from where ?
2017-07-15 22:45 <Ubit> Z did count for the distance limit
2017-07-15 22:45 <djphil> yes, z min and z max
2017-07-15 22:46 <djphil> to made Trees levels
2017-07-15 22:46 <Ubit> <m_range>120</m_range>
2017-07-15 22:46 <Ubit> this was a full 2d distance check
2017-07-15 22:46 <djphil> Palm on the Beach, Pin on mountains
2017-07-15 22:46 <Ubit> now is is a 2D only
2017-07-15 22:47 <Ubit> ops
2017-07-15 22:47 <Ubit> damm
2017-07-15 22:47 <djphil> Hmmm you remove 3D ?
2017-07-15 22:47 <Ubit> this was a full 3D distance check
2017-07-15 22:48 <Ubit> what you mean i removed 3d ?? i dont want to turn opensim a irc server :P
2017-07-15 22:48 <djphil> Ouf! :)
2017-07-15 22:49 <djphil> no i mean at now we can plant Oak from Z20.5 to Z 30.0 ?
2017-07-15 22:49 <Ubit> that range is now a distance range only on the X and Y horizontal plane
2017-07-15 22:49 <djphil> or you remove this ability ?
2017-07-15 22:49 <Ubit> the height restrictions are the ones on 
2017-07-15 22:49 <djphil> Why removing Z ?
2017-07-15 22:49 <Ubit> <m_treeline_low>21</m_treeline_low>
2017-07-15 22:49 <Ubit>   <m_treeline_high>31</m_treeline_high>
2017-07-15 22:49 <djphil> strange choice ...
2017-07-15 22:50 <djphil> ha oki
2017-07-15 22:50 <Ubit> got it now ?
2017-07-15 22:50 <djphil> I think I understood ...
2017-07-15 22:51 <Ubit> otherwise if you change the terrain from flat to a hill 
2017-07-15 22:51 <Ubit> that Z was other thing you would need to care about
2017-07-15 22:51 <Ubit> and...
2017-07-15 22:51 <Ubit>  <m_seed_point>
2017-07-15 22:51 <Ubit>     <X>128</X>
2017-07-15 22:51 <Ubit>     <Y>128</Y>
2017-07-15 22:51 <Ubit>     <Z>0</Z>
2017-07-15 22:51 <Ubit> FAIL lol
2017-07-15 22:52 <Ubit> no wonder u could not see trees in previus code :p
2017-07-15 22:52 <djphil> How made aquatic plants ?
2017-07-15 22:52 <Plugh> Bill, you need the trees so the birds will have somewhere to nest. ;)
2017-07-15 22:53 <BillBlight> that is true Plugh ... I still think the Tree module needs to rez at least one NPC dog .... 
2017-07-15 22:53 <Plugh> :)
2017-07-15 22:53 <Ubit> dj..
2017-07-15 22:53 <djphil> yes
2017-07-15 22:54 <Ubit> seed location and range define placement on x and Y
2017-07-15 22:54 <Ubit> Z used by tree is always terrain height at the rez location
2017-07-15 22:54 <Plugh> BillBlight: I've also had that problem with a memory exception in the birds module. I don't remember if that was fixed or it just went away.
2017-07-15 22:54 <djphil> Ok, I'll try this
2017-07-15 22:54 <Ubit> [23:49] <Ubit> <m_treeline_low>21</m_treeline_low>
2017-07-15 22:54 <Ubit> [23:49] <Ubit>   <m_treeline_high>31</m_treeline_high>
2017-07-15 22:54 <smxy> BRB - I NEED MOAR COFFEE ...
2017-07-15 22:55 <Ubit> this define restrictions on Z
2017-07-15 22:55 <djphil> ok fully underwod now
2017-07-15 22:55 <Ubit> so a oak is rez underwater on a river 
2017-07-15 22:55 <Ubit> is NOT
2017-07-15 22:56 <Ubit> for under water u set those limits.. do be underwater
2017-07-15 22:56 <Ubit> this way the random placement will kind follow shore lines etc
2017-07-15 22:57 <Ubit> btw the way it works..  rezzing the ful number of trees may take longer
2017-07-15 22:57 <djphil> np, undesrstand everithing :)
2017-07-15 22:58 <Ubit> bc on each step it will try to rez a number of trees..  if they fail or not
2017-07-15 22:58 <Ubit> it will not retry on same step
2017-07-15 22:58 <djphil> ok
2017-07-15 22:58 <Ubit> i did limit to 20 trees per step i think
2017-07-15 22:59 <smxy> I also needed DONUTS, apparently. :p
2017-07-15 22:59 <djphil> I guess visually there is no difference
2017-07-15 22:59 <Ubit> it may happen they all fail.. bc the random gen placed them all outside allowed postions
2017-07-15 22:59 <Ubit> it will try on next step :)
2017-07-15 22:59 <Plugh> You want a donut forest, smxy?
2017-07-15 22:59 <smxy> lol
2017-07-15 23:00 <Ubit> hmm to make a donut forest you need a donut terrain
2017-07-15 23:00 <smxy> hehehe
2017-07-15 23:00 <Ubit> then use the Z limits
2017-07-15 23:00 <djphil> so now we need to modify all xml files to put Z on 0
2017-07-15 23:00 <djphil> true ?
2017-07-15 23:00 <Ubit> NO
2017-07-15 23:00 <Ubit> i just ignore it
2017-07-15 23:01 <djphil> ha ok
2017-07-15 23:01 <Ubit> well the code does ignore it :)
2017-07-15 23:01 <Ubit> hmm i would like to till the tress also :(
2017-07-15 23:01 <Ubit> tilt
2017-07-15 23:02 <Ubit> my rl trees don't alway grow stright vertically :P
2017-07-15 23:02 <djphil> new rotation param
2017-07-15 23:03 <Ubit> and some that do. wind ends up tilting them
2017-07-15 23:03 <Ubit> specially on weat terrain
2017-07-15 23:03 <Ubit> yeap
2017-07-15 23:03 <Ubit> but the xml decoder is rigid
2017-07-15 23:04 <Ubit> if i add more fields all old xml files fail
2017-07-15 23:04 <djphil> It's really cool this rejuvenation of the Trees module :)
2017-07-15 23:05 <Ubit> i really think it is only usefull to plant a  intital little forest
2017-07-15 23:06 <Ubit> that we can then edit only a few misplaced trees
2017-07-15 23:06 <djphil> Like city module :p
2017-07-15 23:06 <Ubit> grow option is just suicide
2017-07-15 23:06 <djphil> Mmmm we like movment
2017-07-15 23:06 <djphil> reality
2017-07-15 23:07 <Ubit> this are TRES not ENTs !!
2017-07-15 23:07 <Ubit> trees
2017-07-15 23:07 <Ubit> if you expect to plant a oak and sit waiting to see it grow..  well  
2017-07-15 23:08 <Ubit> a rl one i mean
2017-07-15 23:08 <djphil> Yes I like to take time to look at the pretty things
2017-07-15 23:09 <Ubit> yeap but you will not see it growing just looking to it :p
2017-07-15 23:10 <Ubit> not even its leaves following the sun
2017-07-15 23:10 <djphil> Hmmm, heven if i put rate ton 1000 :p
2017-07-15 23:10 <djphil> to*
2017-07-15 23:11 <BillBlight> I think Ubit needs to get an Ent avatar and invade djphil's regions and chase him ..
2017-07-15 23:11 <Ubit> well u seen my region.. 4 or 5 of us there and my amasing 800kbps upload all in use
2017-07-15 23:11 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-15 23:12 <BillBlight> the vm has 175mb down and 30mb up btw ubit
2017-07-15 23:12 <Ubit> the march of the ent over dj isengard :)
2017-07-15 23:12 <BillBlight> LFMAO
2017-07-15 23:13 <BillBlight> wait I'll get me a Saruman avatar
2017-07-15 23:13 <Ubit> 
ACTION pics a larger rock

2017-07-15 23:14 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-15 23:15 <BillBlight> HAHAHA
2017-07-15 23:16 <smxy> I read 'rock' wrong ........
2017-07-15 23:18 <BillBlight> How could you read rock as chicken?  I'm confused ..... LOL
2017-07-15 23:18 <BillBlight> :P
2017-07-15 23:18 <Plugh> I'm not even going to ask.
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2017-07-15 23:22 <smxy> well, it *rhymed* with 'rock'. :p
2017-07-15 23:35 <smxy> ... and the room dies. :p
2017-07-15 23:35 <djphil> 
ACTION Room service: Coffee distribution

2017-07-15 23:40 <smxy> :)
2017-07-15 23:41 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-15 23:42 <djphil> Obviously, I ask you requests but I do not want to abuse ... Ubit must also take time to rest :)
2017-07-15 23:44 <djphil> arfff wrong google translation
2017-07-15 23:45 <djphil> Obviously, I have a lot of requests but I do not want to abuse*
2017-07-15 23:45 <djphil> now is better :)
2017-07-15 23:47 <djphil> About xml Ubits, do you have tested with all files ?
2017-07-15 23:47 <djphil> no xml broken ?
2017-07-15 23:48 <Ubit> hmm?
2017-07-15 23:48 <djphil> the trees xml's
2017-07-15 23:49 <Ubit> well errors on xml have no proper handling you just see the usual ugly red stack dumo
2017-07-15 23:49 <Ubit> dump
2017-07-15 23:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #5729 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-15 23:50 <smxy> Dumb question: KFM?
2017-07-15 23:50 <djphil> Ok so this dump can fix all xml files
2017-07-15 23:51 <smxy> oh, nevermind
2017-07-15 23:51 <djphil> Key Frame Motion
2017-07-15 23:51 <smxy> I see.
2017-07-15 23:51 <Ubit> hmm ???
2017-07-15 23:51 <smxy> Had to look up a line. :p
2017-07-15 23:51 <Ubit> i need to explain even more ???
2017-07-15 23:51 <Ubit> lol
2017-07-15 23:51 <smxy> No
2017-07-15 23:52 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-15 23:52 <smxy> I had not heard that term before and was curious what it meant, and then I spotted the name of the file and figured it out, just as djphil told me. :)
2017-07-15 23:52 <Ubit> well i can.. kfm was sending direct updates to avoid rubber band
2017-07-15 23:52 <Ubit> that can't be anymore
2017-07-15 23:52 <smxy> KFM is how you move things, right?
2017-07-15 23:53 <smxy> Like boats, etc
2017-07-15 23:53 <Ubit> since i did change the control of those updates,   and someone did showed me a issue possible related
2017-07-15 23:53 <Ubit> im making them be as they should again
2017-07-15 23:53 <djphil> nothing new about KMF caroussel ?
2017-07-15 23:53 <BillBlight> KFM is used in NonPhysical movement
2017-07-15 23:54 <BillBlight> Motors used in physical movemnt
2017-07-15 23:54 <smxy> Thanks, Bill.
2017-07-15 23:54 <Ubit> and lets see if rubber band is acceptable
2017-07-15 23:54 <Ubit> errr no no i waill not explain what KFM is on commit comments :P
2017-07-15 23:54 <Ubit> will not...
2017-07-15 23:54 <BillBlight> well you used the word "boats" that always gets my attention ..
2017-07-15 23:54 <BillBlight> :P
2017-07-15 23:55 <Ubit> yeap kfm is a nice way to move things around
2017-07-15 23:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5729: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5729/
2017-07-15 23:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make KFM use scheduled terse updates. This may increase some rubber band, but is needed, and should work better with recent changes on sop terseupdates control
2017-07-16 00:06 <Plugh> yup. I've use kfm a couple of times.
2017-07-16 00:08 <Plugh> hm... terseupdates control. Last reference to "terse in the change log was in Jan 2016.
2017-07-16 00:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #5730 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-16 00:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5730: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5730/
2017-07-16 00:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: trigger moving_end also KFM stop and pause
2017-07-16 00:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #5731 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-16 00:33 <Ubit> grrr i should had not merge opensim kfm.. i shoud had just replaced it by avn code
2017-07-16 00:33 <Ubit> but well 2 late :p
2017-07-16 00:34 <Ubit> it will work.. one day :p
2017-07-16 00:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5731: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5731/
2017-07-16 00:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: don't start moving KFM things on region start that where stopped on last shutdown
2017-07-16 01:29 <Ubit> can you believe i found some one that did not know that serge gainsbourg famous song ?
2017-07-16 01:29 <Ubit> :P
2017-07-16 01:37 <djphil> I'm testing Trees and birds on same region with master
2017-07-16 01:37 <djphil> Is beautifull :)
2017-07-16 01:37 <djphil> all work !
2017-07-16 01:37 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-16 01:38 <djphil> real pleasure :)
2017-07-16 01:42 <BillBlight> I did get the birds working on a smaller sim, but they still blow up on my 8x8
2017-07-16 01:43 <djphil> here is a simple 256x256, no tested on var
2017-07-16 01:46 <BillBlight> tested on a 4x4 worked fine
2017-07-16 01:51 <Ubit> ohh i just saw a condor
2017-07-16 01:51 <Ubit> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqJvqMeaDtU
2017-07-16 01:52 <Ubit> its a bird ...
2017-07-16 01:54 <smxy> Not a bat? :)
2017-07-16 01:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #5732 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-16 02:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5732: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5732/
2017-07-16 02:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ode does not like null refs
2017-07-16 02:08 <smxy> Is there anything that *does* like null refs? :)
2017-07-16 02:12 <Ubit> at least lots that will not blowup :)
2017-07-16 02:13 <Ubit> odd why don't we store kfm on inventory ?
2017-07-16 02:15 <djphil> Now Birds seems don't accept params with llRegionSay ... ONLY llSay work
2017-07-16 02:15 <djphil> that new ?
2017-07-16 02:15 <djphil> or bug ...
2017-07-16 02:15 <Ubit> you are asking me about birds?
2017-07-16 02:15 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-16 02:16 <djphil> no no, just Jak
2017-07-16 02:16 <BillBlight> but if it is a region module, should not matter where you say
2017-07-16 02:16 <BillBlight> so region say is a moot point
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2017-07-16 02:16 <Ubit> damm why don't we save kfm in onventory on take ?? dont remember this either
2017-07-16 02:18 <djphil> No doubt not important ... just I mention it because when we tested Birds in the past with Jak, I had made a script with RegionSay and it was working. Now I have lost 10 minutes to detect the problem because RegionSay no longer works
2017-07-16 02:21 <smxy> 
ACTION gets out the world's smallest violin ... :p

2017-07-16 02:22 <smxy> 
ACTION wonders if anyone outside the USA gets that particular idion. :)

2017-07-16 02:22 <smxy> idiom*
2017-07-16 02:44 <Plugh> I'm outside the US and get it.
2017-07-16 02:56 <djphil> Ubit, Trees have channel for debug ?
2017-07-16 02:56 <Ubit> no
2017-07-16 02:56 <djphil> ok
2017-07-16 03:07 <smxy> Oh, Plugh, I didn't know you weren't in the US. Learn something new every day.
2017-07-16 03:26 <Ubit> you where thinking he was at Congo ?
2017-07-16 04:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #5733 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-16 04:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5733: FAILURE in 6 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5733/
2017-07-16 04:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: store kfm on inventory. this may still be a bit confusing on rez
2017-07-16 04:29 <djphil> Ubit : semms to be ok here ?
2017-07-16 04:29 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Trees_Module
2017-07-16 04:29 <djphil> Just done now
2017-07-16 04:29 <Ubit> busy with that fail now
2017-07-16 04:29 <djphil> oki
2017-07-16 04:32 <Ubit> well i i can find them grrr
2017-07-16 04:44 <osmantis> Bug #8209:04 Tree module seems to no longer work with OS v0.9 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8209 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-07-16 04:45 <osmantis> Bug #8209:04 Tree module seems to no longer work with OS v0.9 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8209 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2017-07-16 04:45 <osmantis> Bug #8209:04 Tree module seems to no longer work with OS v0.9 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8209 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2017-07-16 04:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #5734 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5732 2 hr 56 min ago)
2017-07-16 04:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5734: STILL FAILING in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5734/
2017-07-16 04:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: test scenes do not set IsRunning
2017-07-16 04:58 <Ubit> what hell
2017-07-16 05:03 <smxy> Good night everyone. I'd better go before I fall out of my chair. :(
2017-07-16 05:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #5735 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #5732 3 hr 18 min ago)
2017-07-16 05:19 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2017-07-16 05:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5735: FIXED in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5735/
2017-07-16 05:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix placement of xml ReadEndElement()
2017-07-16 13:33 <osmantis> Bug #8210:04 error in command line when sim is closing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8210 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-07-16 13:34 <Plugh> Not the Congo. Just wishing he was near a tropical beach in the Carribbean. :)
2017-07-16 13:36 <smxy> Where are you? I sometimes forget this is an international group.
2017-07-16 13:36 <smxy> I'm in the US, in Eastern Pennsylvania.
2017-07-16 13:37 <smxy> Very Eastern - 8 more miles and I'd be in New Jersey.
2017-07-16 14:08 <Plugh> smxy: I'm a little bit north of Toronto
2017-07-16 14:11 <smxy> Well, at least I had the correct continent. :p
2017-07-16 14:33 <smxy> I think I'd like to run the idea of a slight change past Ubit, and see what he thinks.
2017-07-16 14:37 <smxy> Right now, the code will, for one or mor reasons, sometimes say that it is unable to verify an avatar's identity. But it never says *why*. It would be a big help to troubleshooting and diagnosing TP issues, if it would state why, at least in the destination's logs, so that the grid owner would know why his/her grid is rejecting an incoming avatar. Then they and the owner of the originating 
2017-07-16 14:37 <smxy> grid could more effectively work together to resolve issues.
2017-07-16 14:37 <smxy> more*
2017-07-16 14:38 <smxy> Just a thought.
2017-07-16 14:46 <Plugh> smxy: You did have the right continent.
2017-07-16 14:47 <Plugh> smxy: OS has never been very good at saying why something doesn't work. 
2017-07-16 14:48 <Plugh> Mess up a DB connection string and you will get all sorts of odd errors. 
2017-07-16 14:48 <Plugh> The one error you don't get is "unable to connect to database".
2017-07-16 15:13 <smxy> One of these days, I'll learn enough C# to make changes like this, myself. :)
2017-07-16 15:14 <Plugh> :)
2017-07-16 15:15 <Plugh> One of these days I'll modify the code to check DB connections as soon as it tries to use them, or when they are first read from an ini.
2017-07-16 15:28 <smxy> Actually, looking at the Gatekeeper code, it looks like it does provide reasons for some failures. I'm trying to find where it fails because of a mismatch between the incoming agent's forward and reverse DNS lookups, though.
2017-07-16 15:52 <Plugh> oh. You are having a DNS issue? Which version of mono are you using?
2017-07-16 15:52 <smxy> 5*
2017-07-16 15:53 <smxy> The issue is that older Mono versions used to ensure, by spoofing it, that the reverse lookup matched the forward lookup. Newer Monos do not do that.
2017-07-16 15:55 <smxy> I'd like to find where in the code that triggers the failure to verify identity, and then add 1) a message to the effect that this is why it failed, and 2) checking of a new config item that effectively says "yeah, yeah, log it and let them in anyway."
2017-07-16 15:55 <smxy> r blocks it, depending on how the config item is set.
2017-07-16 15:55 <smxy> Or*
2017-07-16 15:57 <smxy> The default would be to block it, as it does now.
2017-07-16 16:02 <smxy> Someday. :)
2017-07-16 16:03 <Plugh> :)
2017-07-16 16:16 <BillBlight> Or you could just have good DNS ... Good forward and reverse DNS fixes the issue
2017-07-16 16:24 <smxy> Home-hosted OpenSims can't have a proper reverse lookup that matches their forward lookup. ISPs don't do that.
2017-07-16 16:25 <smxy> Nor can OpenSims hosted on multi-tenant servers with VPSes.
2017-07-16 16:27 <Plugh> smxy: You can set up reverse dns for home hosted machine.
2017-07-16 16:27 <Plugh> s/machine/OS/
2017-07-16 16:28 <smxy> My ISP controls DNS. They will not change that.
2017-07-16 16:29 <Plugh> You should control the DNS for your domain so you can set the DNS how you want. You could also run a DNS server on your own computer if you needed to.
2017-07-16 16:30 <smxy> I do not own that address, my ISP does.
2017-07-16 16:30 <BillBlight> yeah you could spoof reveres as far as opensim goes by running a local simple dns server
2017-07-16 16:31 <smxy> Sure, but I can't override what other people see which they get from my ISP's DNS servers, since they own the IP address, not me.
2017-07-16 16:31 <Plugh> There is also dyndns which might help. 
2017-07-16 16:31 <Plugh> smxy: Who owns the domain name?
2017-07-16 16:32 <smxy> I can spoof OTHER people's reverse lookups, as seen by my grid. I do that now. But I know of no way to spoof my own reverse lookup for others to see.
2017-07-16 16:33 <Plugh> If your ISP owns the domain and controls the IP mappings you are going to have more of a problem. If you have people use a domain name you control it is not a problem.
2017-07-16 16:33 <smxy> Just because I own the domain, does not mean I own the address in it.
2017-07-16 16:34 <smxy> The cable company owns my address. They set the reverse lookup for it.
2017-07-16 16:34 <smxy> I can point any forward lookup at it that I want.
2017-07-16 16:34 <smxy> But THEY control the reverse lookup of the IP.
2017-07-16 16:34 <Plugh> If you own the domain you control the DNS entries associated with it. You can set the forward and reverse IPs. You can also use your own domain name server if you need to. If your IP isn't static you can use something like dyndns to handle that situation.
2017-07-16 16:35 <Plugh> If you are renting servers from a host they usually have a way to set the reverse IP for the machine.
2017-07-16 16:35 <smxy> You aren't listening, so I ghive up.
2017-07-16 16:35 <smxy> give*
2017-07-16 16:37 <smxy> Owning a domain, and owning the addresses assigned to the domain are two different things.
2017-07-16 16:38 <smxy> I can own the domain opensim.smxy.com and control the DNS for it, yes.
2017-07-16 16:38 <smxy> I can set the forward lookup for a machine in that domain to point to an address.
2017-07-16 16:38 <smxy> I can point the reverse lookup to the same address. 
2017-07-16 16:39 <Plugh> If you are running OS on servers via an ISP instead of on machines you rent from a hosting company would have to use the domain name associated with your connection so the reverse IP would return that value. You wouldn't be able to use your own domain in that case.
2017-07-16 16:39 <Plugh> Trying to run a grid from home via isn't an ideal situation.
2017-07-16 16:39 <smxy> However, since I do not own the address space, and my ISP does, they set the reverse lookup for their IP addresses. If I set it too, there will be two reverse lookups for one address. That doesn't work. Mine would not be authoritative, and theirs would be.
2017-07-16 16:40 <Plugh> I need to go afk for a while. Time for lunch.
2017-07-16 16:40 <smxy> Yes, Plugh and now you finally understand the problem.
2017-07-16 16:40 <smxy> I guess then that we just tell people who want to run OpenSim from their home that they can just go away now.
2017-07-16 16:43 <smxy> I'd much rather have a setting that let's me make the decision to allow the mismatch.
2017-07-16 16:44 <smxy> That won't fix me going to other gridsd, as they'd have to set that too, but at least I could allow people with a mismatch to TP to my grid, if I wish.
2017-07-16 16:55 <smxy> Given how many people run OpenSim from their homes, I am not sure that telling them they can't, because Mono has changed its behavior, is a good idea. Unless you want to kill OpenSim, that is.
2017-07-16 17:06 <BillBlight> There is a big difference between telling them they can't and telling them that they have to do it right .. One thing that makes the issue a lot less prevalent is not using google's DNS servers
2017-07-16 17:07 <BillBlight> Use opendns, or even your ISP's dns servers .. Google DNS while very good, is not a fan of DynDNS updates ..
2017-07-16 17:08 <smxy> Cable companies do not set reverse lookups for their customers, so that just isn't going to happen. They wonm't match.
2017-07-16 17:08 <smxy> won't*
2017-07-16 17:09 <BillBlight> The reverse is not as important as the forward .. the big issue actually is if you look, mono caches the forward as well and if it does not match the current lookup it will fail
2017-07-16 17:12 <smxy> Yes, I'm aware of THAT issue. No one could get to my site, from Kitely, after I changed my IP address, until Kitely restarted its Robust server. That's a very real issue, but a different one.
2017-07-16 17:22 <smxy> There have been numerous times Where someone can't get to my grid, because mine says it can't verify their identity. In every case, they were foound to have mismatching forward and reverse lookups for their IP address. I can get around this, by entering their forward lookup into the DNS resolver on my pfSense firewall, as it then spoofs a matching reverse lookup. They then can get to my 
2017-07-16 17:22 <smxy> grid just fine, because my grid sees the forward and reverse as matching. Others don't have the luxury of being able to work around it like that. I believe, for instance, that this is why I cannot TP to Leighton's LighthousePoint grid. He's seeing it say it can't verify my identity, in his logs, and I do have a non-matching forward and reverse lookup.
2017-07-16 17:23 <BillBlight> but you can TP to my grid .. sooo
2017-07-16 17:24 <smxy> Hmm, that is a point. What Mono are you using? I know it's not an old one ...
2017-07-16 17:25 <BillBlight> 5.0.1.1
2017-07-16 17:25 <smxy> That's not all that far behind mine.
2017-07-16 17:25 <smxy> Okay, then that brings me back to my initial desire to have OpenSim state the reason it cannot verify my identity.
2017-07-16 17:26 <smxy> That might lead to the actual problem if it isn't what I think (and I *am* wrong sometimes!).
2017-07-16 17:26 <BillBlight> PRO TIP:  don't run delete object name -regex .* , from the console, unless you also want to delete your worn attachments ...  LOL
2017-07-16 17:26 <smxy> Oops.
2017-07-16 17:27 <BillBlight> LOL ..
2017-07-16 17:27 <BillBlight> Yeah I have done that before, but usually the sim is empty of people, I forgot to leave the sim
2017-07-16 17:27 <smxy> Can we at least agree that better failure reporting would be a good thing? ;)
2017-07-16 17:27 <BillBlight> Hell Yes we agree on that
2017-07-16 17:27 <BillBlight> but I think there are much bigger fish to fry
2017-07-16 17:28 <smxy> I mean, really, we shouldn't have to speculate on why it's failing. It should just TELL us.
2017-07-16 17:28 <BillBlight> well to be honest 99% of the time that fails it is only one reason
2017-07-16 17:29 <BillBlight> but an error message like "Fix your busted ass DNS" might work ... LOL :P:
2017-07-16 17:29 <smxy> Well, considering I can TP to at least 74 other grids, I suspect it isn't my grid's configuration.
2017-07-16 17:30 <BillBlight> right
2017-07-16 17:30 <BillBlight> let me see if I can get to  leighton's grid
2017-07-16 17:32 <smxy> And I will try too, just in case it has magically resolved itself, as these things sometimes do. :)
2017-07-16 17:34 <smxy> No, it still times out. Here is the log of it from my Robust console: https://pastebin.com/kTD1zC9L
2017-07-16 17:35 <smxy> Now, let me get what he sent me from his end when we tried it.
2017-07-16 17:36 <BillBlight> I just landed on his grid
2017-07-16 17:36 <BillBlight> so  ....
2017-07-16 17:37 <smxy> He sent me this when we were trying to figure it out before: https://pastebin.com/pbAfKYzy
2017-07-16 17:39 <smxy> His end just doesn't say why it can't verify my identity.
2017-07-16 17:40 <BillBlight> I need to tell leighton about that bug too .. I think it has been reported to the mantis .. the migration does not make the fsasset table description field long enough 
2017-07-16 17:41 <smxy> Okay, but I don't think it has anything to do with not being able to verify me.
2017-07-16 17:41 <BillBlight> no it does not, just saw that when looking
2017-07-16 17:42 <smxy> Although, I see that it sees me as coming from my internal address, rather than from my external address.
2017-07-16 17:42 <smxy> Line 18
2017-07-16 17:44 <smxy> I just wish OpenSim would be a little more verbose in this spot.
2017-07-16 17:44 <BillBlight> when you connect to your grid from inside, do you connect to the internal or external IP
2017-07-16 17:44 <smxy> External, same as everyone elase.
2017-07-16 17:44 <smxy> else*
2017-07-16 17:45 <smxy> I have loopback set up.
2017-07-16 17:45 <BillBlight> I figured that, but gotta ask silly questions when troubleshooting
2017-07-16 17:45 <smxy> Yup.
2017-07-16 17:45 <BillBlight> But somehow , your robust is getting yoru internal IP and it is forwarding that to his ... 
2017-07-16 17:46 <smxy> Now I do have a vpn service. I haven't set it up again, since I replaced my computer recently. But If I do, then I could see if that makes any difference.
2017-07-16 17:55 <BillBlight> back in a bit
2017-07-16 18:27 <osmantis> Bug #7528:04 Discover Region Physics Engine Type by LSL Script Function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-16 18:53 <smxy> BillBlight: FYI: It still times out, even with me on a VPN. His grid hates me, for some unknown reason.
2017-07-16 18:53 <smxy> Let me try a different avatar ...
2017-07-16 18:55 <smxy> Nope, same thing.
2017-07-16 19:04 <BillBlight> Weird ..  his grid , other than all being on a single server, is setup pretty much like mine, and you have been able to get here.
2017-07-16 19:05 <smxy> Yes. He mentioned that too.
2017-07-16 19:06 <smxy> His grid doesn't like avatars from my grid, and isn't sayiing why.
2017-07-16 19:06 <smxy> -i
2017-07-16 19:06 <BillBlight> Maybe it does not want to tell you .. maybe it is trying not to hurt your feelings ... LOL
2017-07-16 19:07 <smxy> Perhaps, but I'm not ready to put on my tin-foil hat just yet. :)
2017-07-16 19:08 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-16 19:25 <jakdaniels> BillBlight, the birds module creates an internal obstacle map of a region at 1m resolution for ground height and prims so the birds can avoid obstacles. An 8x8 region probably creates a very big map... That might be the cause of your out of memory error....
2017-07-16 19:26 <jakdaniels> just a guess though.... I've never tested it on a region of that size :)
2017-07-16 19:59 <jakdaniels> I can see one issue in the code however... atm the obstacle array or flowmap is an array of floats, and should really just be booleans... no idea why it's floats lol. So an 8x8 region with BirdsMaxHeight set to 256m creates an array size of 2048x2048x256x4 = 4292967296 bytes (4Gb ish). If they were booleans the size would be 2048x2048x256x1 = 1073741824 bytes (1Gb ish)
2017-07-16 20:28 <BillBlight> jakdaniels yeah umm yeah ... LOL ... works fine on a 3x3 and a 4x4 ... 
2017-07-16 20:32 <jakdaniels> it needs rewriting to use KFM too, moving prims around the scene manually creates lots of update traffic. Should shift some of that work to the viewer...
2017-07-16 20:39 <jakdaniels> if you sit on a bird you'll see just how many position updates it generates ;)
2017-07-16 21:31 <BillBlight> jakdaniels If you are going to rewrite it maybe make sure it forces the bird prim to phantom and physics none, that might help take some of the load off the sim as well ..
2017-07-16 21:34 <jakdaniels> It does that, or at least it should be doing that.....
2017-07-16 21:35 <jakdaniels> but hmmm... I remember having some issues with it
2017-07-16 21:36 <jakdaniels> line 94+ FlockingView.cs
2017-07-16 21:38 <jakdaniels> seems to be commented out atm, probably because it didn't work....
2017-07-16 21:56 <Ubit> OUTCH birds create a navMesh??? yeack  bad bad bad
2017-07-16 21:58 <Ubit> a not about loopback.. some routers do not use externalIP on loopback, but their own internalIP that is known problem for HG etc
2017-07-16 22:01 <Ubit> ( not -> note )
2017-07-16 22:02 <Ubit> and yes.. i tool about gooble public dns not very happy with short TTL  records
2017-07-16 22:03 <Ubit> ( or the requests rate those imply ..  mono forces opensim do make even more, bc it has cache for webrequests, not other stuff )
2017-07-16 22:04 <Ubit> mb a local slave  DNS server with a minimal TTL of 5 min or so could easy that issue.. but never tested )
2017-07-16 22:05 <Ubit> 1 min TTL of my ISP can force a req rate that may trigger DDOS defences
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2017-07-16 23:05 <smxy> I checked my firewall config and I had it set to use OpenDNS and Google DNS servers, interleaved. I've dropped the Google DNS servers and will see if that makes any difference.
2017-07-16 23:06 <smxy> That isn't going to make Leighton's grid let me in though.
2017-07-16 23:07 <Ubit> no idea about that issue
2017-07-16 23:08 <smxy> We really need OpenSim to report a bit more than that is timply couldn't verify my identity. :(
2017-07-16 23:08 <smxy> simply*
2017-07-16 23:08 <Ubit> the loopback issue not usually does not you return to your own HG region
2017-07-16 23:08 <Ubit> but does let others get in
2017-07-16 23:09 <Ubit> there is a mantis about that.. from mata hari i thing
2017-07-16 23:09 <Ubit> think...
2017-07-16 23:09 <Ubit> but does not sound as yr case
2017-07-16 23:09 <smxy> I've been using loopback for years, but normally I try to access my own grid from a VPN, so that I look, to it, just as external as anyone else.
2017-07-16 23:09 <Ubit> its some routers loopback implementation
2017-07-16 23:10 <smxy> That way I see issues they see.
2017-07-16 23:10 <smxy> I'm using a pretty advanced firewall/router (pfSense), not some home thing that's half broken. :)
2017-07-16 23:10 <Ubit> wel they loop back in, they say source is their internal ( intranet ) ip
2017-07-16 23:11 <Ubit> while normal ones  say source is theirs external ( internet ) IP
2017-07-16 23:11 <Ubit> see the issue?
2017-07-16 23:11 <smxy> Well, in this case it's not a loopback issue, as I'm on a VPN, and still can't get to his grid.
2017-07-16 23:12 <smxy> It times out on my side and on his side it just says it can't verify my identity.
2017-07-16 23:12 <Ubit> yes i said that.. just clarifing the issue
2017-07-16 23:12 <smxy> Yes, most home firewall/routers have broken loopback.
2017-07-16 23:14 <smxy> For most applications, but not OpenSim, using the internal address of the firwall/router is fine, but OpenSim requires it to be the external address, which most can't do.
2017-07-16 23:14 <smxy> I think we're in agreement there. :)
2017-07-16 23:15 <Ubit> actually its only on HG checks
2017-07-16 23:15 <Ubit> in other cases works ok i think
2017-07-16 23:15 <Ubit> just we can't remove those checks :(
2017-07-16 23:16 <smxy> When I used to make my own firewall/router with iptables, it was easy to set up.
2017-07-16 23:16 <Ubit> well going to other room
2017-07-16 23:16 <smxy> TTFN :)
2017-07-16 23:39 <Subzidion> .quit
2017-07-16 23:51 <smxy> Well, Ubit, you inspired me to get rid of my loopback rules, so now the only way I can access my grid is from the VPN, which makes me properly external to my LAN. It's just easier that way, as it takes out a whole layer where something can go wrong.
2017-07-16 23:52 <smxy> The only loopback rules I have now are those that let my servers talk to each other via the external address.
2017-07-16 23:52 <smxy> But there are none for my viewer, now.
2017-07-16 23:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #5736 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2017-07-17 00:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5736: SUCCESS in 5 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5736/
2017-07-17 00:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: KFM: changes on update method implies other changes. Still not that good. Note: objects motion timing can't be done using timers. On windows at least, those can have jitter of tens of ms
2017-07-17 00:12 <Ubit> ppl asking me about detail of commits fixing things, to appy on 0.8.2
2017-07-17 00:14 <Ubit> so they can keep using 0.8.2 
2017-07-17 00:14 <Ubit> :(
2017-07-17 00:14 <danbanner> lol
2017-07-17 00:16 <Ubit> well there was that who asked to apply ubode to 0.8.2
2017-07-17 00:16 <smxy> Oh, speaking of ubODE, no collision failures yet.
2017-07-17 00:17 <Ubit> nice
2017-07-17 00:17 <smxy> Yes. :)
2017-07-17 00:18 <Ubit> well i still far from happy with ubOde collsions of sleeping bodies
2017-07-17 00:18 <Ubit> still damm BAD  yeack
2017-07-17 00:18 <Ubit> and code on that is now spargetti
2017-07-17 00:18 <Ubit> :(
2017-07-17 00:34 <smxy> Once it gets to that point, it's often best to completely refactor that code. Not easy though, I'm sure.
2017-07-17 00:35 <Ubit> yeap
2017-07-17 00:37 <smxy> I don't know C#, but at work, I have inherited a huge set of programs that are all written in Tcl. They are a terrible mess, but no one will pay for my time to clean them up.
2017-07-17 00:37 <Ubit> tcl i call that scripts not programs :)
2017-07-17 00:37 <smxy> So it doesn't get done, and we keep making it add to it.
2017-07-17 00:38 <smxy> When they are several thousand lines long, they are programs.
2017-07-17 00:38 <Ubit> only did a bit tcl code for irc bots
2017-07-17 00:38 <Ubit> they used it as script lang
2017-07-17 00:38 <Ubit> only remember i did hate tcl :)
2017-07-17 00:39 <smxy> Our entire build and deployment automation is what it's used for.
2017-07-17 00:39 <smxy> I can't clean it up and I can't replace it. So I just make it worse, but do what I need it to do.
2017-07-17 00:39 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-17 00:44 <smxy> And, like you, I hate Tcl. :)
2017-07-17 00:45 <smxy> I'd rather program in BASIC, LOL
2017-07-17 00:45 <smxy> Than Tcl.
2017-07-17 06:57 <osmantis> Bug #8207:04 PGSQL -  Failure in DoOnRezScriptQueue() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8207 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-17 07:02 <osmantis> Bug #8200:04 PGSQL EstateStore.migrations does not create estate_settings_id SEQUENCE and will prevent OpenSim from completing first run 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8200 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-17 21:28 <BillBlight> <rant>I am sick of people bitching about .9x , yes it is different , it is new, don't like it don't use it, if you use it accept that it is different and quit your whining"</rant>
2017-07-17 22:09 <Plugh> :)
2017-07-17 22:23 <smxy> Totally agree, Bill. They are happy to fork it and mold it to what they want, if they wish.
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2017-07-17 22:53 <smxy> TBH, it's not that radically different than the last release. Pretty much the same, but works better. :)
2017-07-17 22:56 <smxy> Except when Ubit breaks it. :p
2017-07-17 23:26 <BillBlight> ^^
2017-07-17 23:26 <BillBlight> That is true, but after he breaks it , it usually comes back better than it was ... USUALLY , there are exceptions though ...
2017-07-17 23:31 <smxy> hehehe
2017-07-17 23:53 <osmantis> Bug #8211:04 recent code commits to trunk (using a custom version of osslEnable.ini) is concerned, breaks PMAC, quite badly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8211 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-07-18 00:01 <osmantis> Bug #8211:04 recent code commits to trunk (using a custom version of osslEnable.ini) is concerned, breaks PMAC, quite badly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8211 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-18 00:02 <osmantis> Bug #8211:04 recent code commits to trunk (using a custom version of osslEnable.ini) is concerned, breaks PMAC, quite badly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8211 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-18 00:31 <BillBlight> smxy I'm just very tired of hearing about the mesh "issue" not nearly as tired of it as Ubit most likely is ...   
2017-07-18 00:37 <smxy> Oh, where people don't have the physics shape, like my one visiting builder?
2017-07-18 00:55 <BillBlight> yes
2017-07-18 00:57 <smxy> Well, I guess they have a choice. Fix their mesh (or get it's creator to, if not them), or move to a region running BulletSim.
2017-07-18 00:58 <smxy> Yay. Seven hours after I started my maintenance window, my grid's back up.
2017-07-18 01:11 <BillBlight> These people just amaze me, it is like they drive a junker for years, without fixing anything,  then when it will no longer pass inspection, they bitch because they can't drive it anymore .. Fixit 
2017-07-18 01:12 <smxy> Well, if it's mesh they made, yes. If they bought it, then I can see where they might be upset. Then they need to see if the creator offers updates.
2017-07-18 01:15 <BillBlight> I understan people being upset , but it is not like this is .8.4 this is .9x like a entirely different model, there were issues like this in the past with major versions, and people act like this is a NEW thing ...
2017-07-18 01:16 <smxy> Well, if they are renting regions from you, they can request BulletSim, yes?
2017-07-18 01:36 <BillBlight> yep
2017-07-18 01:36 <BillBlight> and I have no issues switching them
2017-07-18 01:37 <BillBlight> Not talking about my peeps, they undertand .. I am talking mainly about people in general .. LOL
2017-07-18 01:37 <smxy> Oh. Well. People, in general, are idiots and assholes. :P
2017-07-18 01:37 <OtakuMegane> Eh, if you've already tried to explain and counter and holler, not much you can do.
2017-07-18 01:40 <OtakuMegane> It's like the people running old versions of Minecraft on their servers. It's done because they don't want to give up on mods or plugins that were abandoned or don't like PvP with the new fighting systems.
2017-07-18 01:41 <OtakuMegane> Debates over giving support and telling them they're being ridiculous happens on a regular basis. Eventually you just give up and let them sit on their years-old version if that's what they want.
2017-07-18 01:45 <smxy> May the gods help me ... I'm going to start learning about "containers". Docker containers, in particular....
2017-07-18 01:57 <BillBlight> haha
2017-07-18 01:57 <BillBlight> there is a nice opensimulator docker on git hub
2017-07-18 01:57 <smxy> I aint using someone else's OpenSim docker. That's not how I learn.
2017-07-18 02:01 <smxy> Though I might compare whatever i come up with, to it, to learn even more.
2017-07-18 02:02 <BillBlight> Not really saying use it, but why re-invent the wheel, use it as a guide 
2017-07-18 02:03 <smxy> In re-inventing the wheel, I learn the most. :)
2017-07-18 02:04 <smxy> Besides, my first container won't be opensim
2017-07-18 02:04 <smxy> I need to set up something to run a couple of containers from Percona.
2017-07-18 02:05 <BillBlight> I'm actually in the middle of modifying a Dockerfile to pull from my local compiled version , rather than a stock version
2017-07-18 02:06 <smxy> Yeah. I'm interested in trying to work out that pausing regions idea, using Docker and the thing you found (which is essentially a port knocker).
2017-07-18 02:06 <smxy> But I'm in no rush. I have all the time to learn.
2017-07-18 02:07 <smxy> This is a case where I want to learn it well, as I can see where it has applications at work.
2017-07-18 04:02 <smxy> Bill, you have container management working in your XenCenter? I added the supplemental pack, made a CentOS 7 VM and have a docker image running in it, but the container isn't visible in XenCenter.
2017-07-18 04:09 <BillBlight> vi hmmm
2017-07-18 04:09 <BillBlight> I installed that pack to but have not messed with it yet
2017-07-18 04:11 <BillBlight> reading .. seems it only supports coreOS
2017-07-18 04:12 <BillBlight> https://xenserver.org/partners/docker.html?id=159
2017-07-18 04:14 <BillBlight> well I mean yes there is support for others, but it is only automatic with coreOS
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2017-07-18 10:00 <osmantis> Bug #8211:04 recent code commits to trunk (using a custom version of osslEnable.ini) is concerned, breaks PMAC, quite badly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8211 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-18 10:01 <smxy> That looks like a useful document, Bill. Thanks.
2017-07-18 10:02 <Ubit> hi
2017-07-18 10:02 <smxy> Hi Ubit
2017-07-18 10:02 <Ubit> hm what is pmac ? :)
2017-07-18 10:03 <smxy> Oh, it's an animation pose system put into things like chairs for example, to configure and provide mulptiple poses.
2017-07-18 10:03 <Ubit> ok thnx
2017-07-18 10:03 <Ubit> well i don't need to look at it.. since the mantis is solved :)
2017-07-18 10:03 <smxy> https://toymcbride.wordpress.com/2016/01/30/pmac-a-new-way-to-animate-your-virtual-world/
2017-07-18 10:04 <smxy> It's an MLP replacement.
2017-07-18 10:04 <Ubit> ahh ok ty
2017-07-18 10:04 <smxy> They just came out with version 2, I believe.
2017-07-18 10:04 <Ubit> from aine it seems
2017-07-18 10:05 <smxy> Yes
2017-07-18 10:05 <Ubit> hmm that my have been a osslenable change
2017-07-18 10:06 <Ubit> but he did not recompiled the scripts
2017-07-18 10:07 <smxy> I have some benches that use PMAC (the original version, I think) and they are working fone on week-old code.
2017-07-18 10:07 <smxy> fine*
2017-07-18 10:08 <smxy> I did have to enable a couple of settings in that file though, back when I first set them up, but it was no big deal.
2017-07-18 10:08 <Ubit> well he said he placed old back.. that is bad karma
2017-07-18 10:09 <Ubit> we do need the pain of reading  the new ones, changing what we need
2017-07-18 10:09 <smxy> I always merge my custom changes into new files. :)
2017-07-18 10:09 <smxy> My current file is the same as distributed, with only this change:
2017-07-18 10:09 <smxy>   ;Allow_osAvatarPlayAnimation =     false
2017-07-18 10:09 <smxy>   Allow_osAvatarPlayAnimation =     ${XEngine|osslParcelO}ESTATE_MANAGER,ESTATE_OWNER
2017-07-18 10:09 <smxy>   ;Allow_osAvatarStopAnimation =     false
2017-07-18 10:09 <smxy>   Allow_osAvatarStopAnimation =     ${XEngine|osslParcelO}ESTATE_MANAGER,ESTATE_OWNER
2017-07-18 10:10 <smxy> That was for the PMAC benches.
2017-07-18 10:10 <smxy> Or, rather, benches with PMAC in them.
2017-07-18 10:10 <osmantis> Bug #8211:04 recent code commits to trunk (using a custom version of osslEnable.ini) is concerned, breaks PMAC, quite badly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8211 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-18 10:11 <Ubit> well osslEnable is not the worse case it will mostly survice the use of a old copy.. i think
2017-07-18 10:12 <smxy> Always best to merge one's changes into pristine new copies, every time you get new code.
2017-07-18 10:12 <smxy> That goes for any of the ini files.
2017-07-18 10:12 <Ubit> some are worse...
2017-07-18 10:13 <Ubit> well when we do change them :)
2017-07-18 10:13 <osmantis> Bug #8211:04 recent code commits to trunk (using a custom version of osslEnable.ini) is concerned, breaks PMAC, quite badly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8211 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-18 10:13 <Ubit> i did a change a few weeks back that will smoke if you use old inis
2017-07-18 10:14 <smxy> I use Beyond Compare to do a side-by-side diff of my old and new files, every time I build, and to trivially merge my changes into new files.
2017-07-18 10:14 <Ubit> hmm on config-include  grid.ini and standalone.ini or somewhere similar :)
2017-07-18 10:15 <Ubit> that will smoke  bc i merged 2 option files  and the config reflects that :)
2017-07-18 10:15 <smxy> ah :)
2017-07-18 10:15 <smxy> Well, the way I do it, I'd automatically pick up the change.
2017-07-18 10:16 <Ubit> ( err option Code files )
2017-07-18 10:16 <smxy> It takes me 2-5 minutes to review and merge.
2017-07-18 10:16 <Ubit> optional code files? mb a better en :)
2017-07-18 10:17 <osmantis> Bug #8211:04 recent code commits to trunk (using a custom version of osslEnable.ini) is concerned, breaks PMAC, quite badly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8211 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-07-18 10:58 <smxy> Bill: That did the trick. I can see the docker images in XenCenter now. Thanks!
2017-07-18 13:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #5737 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-18 13:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5737: SUCCESS in 5 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5737/
2017-07-18 13:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix object updates throttle for scripts doing motion by direct change of position. Most this scripts are bad, making no use of viewers interpolators. Tanks lotek.
2017-07-18 17:58 <BillBlight> Is there a meeting today?
2017-07-18 18:14 <Plugh> Bill, yes. Is there a reason why there wouldn't be one?
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2017-07-18 19:09 <BillBlight> I guess I was earlier than I thought when I asked if there was a meeting ... LOL
2017-07-18 19:12 <Plugh> You just made me think of the song "There is a meeting here tonight" by the Kingston Trio.
2017-07-18 21:02 <smxy> I'd love to come to these meetings, but they are held in the middle of my RL work day ...
2017-07-18 21:33 <Ubit> missed it :(
2017-07-18 21:35 <smxy> Too busy partying? ;)
2017-07-18 21:37 <Ubit> lost in RL
2017-07-18 21:40 <smxy> Someone nees to invent The Matrix, so we don't have to deal with RL anymore ...
2017-07-18 21:41 <Ubit> hmm have a former dev very ungry with me bc of meshs
2017-07-18 21:41 <Ubit> really =
2017-07-18 21:41 <Ubit> so i need to read the meeting log?
2017-07-18 21:42 <smxy> Correct me if I am wrong, but you didn't break mesh, did you? I thought all you did was introduce a new physics engine, which they are free not to use, and that they can still use BulletSim, yes?
2017-07-18 21:43 <Ubit> yes i kept bullet and old ode as before
2017-07-18 21:43 <smxy> Or do I misunderstand?
2017-07-18 21:43 <smxy> Then I don't understand how you "broke" mesh.
2017-07-18 21:43 <Ubit> they will use visual mesh on physics still
2017-07-18 21:44 <smxy> Are the meeting logs published each week? I can't come, but would very much like to read them.
2017-07-18 21:44 <Ubit> yes they are
2017-07-18 21:45 <smxy> Where are they published?
2017-07-18 21:50 <Ubit> looking
2017-07-18 21:52 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours
2017-07-18 21:53 <smxy> Sweet. Thanks!
2017-07-18 21:53 <smxy> 
ACTION bookmarks that page.

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2017-07-18 23:05 <BillBlight> The mesh issue is actually pretty simple, if you don't know how to make proper mesh for any other 3d environment, you should have never been making it for opensim ..
2017-07-18 23:06 <BillBlight> Oh and grabbing a mesh designed to be looked at not used as "physical" off of a website, does not count as "creating mesh"
2017-07-18 23:10 <Ubit> about that Step2
2017-07-18 23:10 <Ubit> that is a complex operation
2017-07-18 23:10 <Ubit> and a mesh format changer also
2017-07-18 23:11 <Ubit> it does a thing called convex decomposition
2017-07-18 23:11 <Ubit> ie it takes a generic form, and breaks it in smaller pieces that are convex
2017-07-18 23:12 <Ubit> and to do that it also simplifies the mesh
2017-07-18 23:12 <Ubit> so..  result may be diferent from the start mesh
2017-07-18 23:13 <Ubit> ie it may close holes etc
2017-07-18 23:13 <Ubit> and.. the software tool used on viewers for opensim is not that good on that as havoc, possible
2017-07-18 23:13 <Ubit> so more potencial issues
2017-07-18 23:13 <Ubit> see ?
2017-07-18 23:14 <BillBlight> yes , the undreal engine(and most 3d engions) have that function .. But normally it is calculated from the physics data included in the mesh, if there is no physics data, or incomplete data, convex decompostion has to guess and my blow up the mesh ..
2017-07-18 23:14 <Ubit> yeap
2017-07-18 23:14 <Ubit> because most physics engines only like convex now
2017-07-18 23:14 <Ubit> refuse no move trimeshs
2017-07-18 23:15 <Ubit> sl needs that and tells ppl do do step2
2017-07-18 23:15 <Ubit> nc havoc is such a engine
2017-07-18 23:15 <Ubit> or is it havok ??  yeack :)
2017-07-18 23:15 <BillBlight> The base of this issue, is badly made mesh, incomplete faces/layers, no physics model, complete crap, that .8 and prior allowed ..  I for one refused to call mesh "broken" in .9x  .. It was broken before, now it is fixed ..
2017-07-18 23:15 <BillBlight> Havok
2017-07-18 23:15 <Ubit> and when comparing opensim to a game engine ppl need to remember one thing
2017-07-18 23:16 <Ubit> Viewer is part of the engine on opensim
2017-07-18 23:16 <BillBlight> yep
2017-07-18 23:16 <Ubit> its the viewer on the upload process  who does the mesh cooking
2017-07-18 23:16 <Ubit> uploaded meshs are no generic meshs.. are "cooked" meshs
2017-07-18 23:17 <BillBlight> Maybe someone shoudl make a stand alone mesh cooker for Opensim, that does nothing but upload the mesh ..
2017-07-18 23:17 <Ubit> in a format easier for viewers and simulators
2017-07-18 23:17 <Ubit> and with both SL decision and builder decisions  integrated
2017-07-18 23:18 <Ubit> like only 16bits resolution..
2017-07-18 23:18 <Ubit> fixed bones names..
2017-07-18 23:18 <Ubit> limited number of faces..
2017-07-18 23:18 <Ubit> how more faces are splited in more prims
2017-07-18 23:18 <Ubit> etc etc
2017-07-18 23:18 <nebadon> actually Radegast has its own
2017-07-18 23:18 <nebadon> however its not as good
2017-07-18 23:18 <nebadon> it cant do LOD
2017-07-18 23:19 <Ubit> and opensim is bond to that format and decisions
2017-07-18 23:19 <Ubit> bc we have no other format
2017-07-18 23:19 <Ubit> ie no working viewers
2017-07-18 23:20 <Ubit> and really not that bad format for now
2017-07-18 23:20 <smxy> I guess you'll just have to write one, eh? :)
2017-07-18 23:20 <smxy> (viewer, that is)
2017-07-18 23:20 <nebadon> there is only one other format worth anything
2017-07-18 23:21 <nebadon> that would be FBX
2017-07-18 23:21 <Ubit> FBX is a generic format
2017-07-18 23:21 <nebadon> other than FBX or Collada there are no other options
2017-07-18 23:21 <Ubit> but fbx needs a lot of cooking for gpus
2017-07-18 23:21 <nebadon> no othe format can store avatar rigs
2017-07-18 23:22 <Ubit> it is a generic format
2017-07-18 23:22 <Ubit> but for us to go there
2017-07-18 23:22 <nebadon> FBX?
2017-07-18 23:22 <Ubit> we will need also to add mesh cooking
2017-07-18 23:22 <nebadon> FBX is the primary industry standard
2017-07-18 23:22 <Ubit> yes i know it
2017-07-18 23:22 <Ubit> we need to fo same as viewers do to collada
2017-07-18 23:23 <nebadon> yea its going to be llsd format in the end
2017-07-18 23:23 <nebadon> or whatever
2017-07-18 23:23 <Ubit> well for current viewers needs to be sl meshs format
2017-07-18 23:24 <Ubit> bc they have the fixed convertion from that to opengl  then gpus
2017-07-18 23:29 <Ubit> so for now, when comparing opensim to a game engine, do not forget viewers are part of it
2017-07-18 23:29 <Ubit> thats our drama :p
2017-07-18 23:31 <nebadon> well to be honest, I am not sure what switching to FBX would gain us
2017-07-18 23:31 <nebadon> unless we decide we want to support PBR
2017-07-18 23:31 <nebadon> but even then Collada is really fine
2017-07-18 23:31 <nebadon> perhaps if we were going to change the avatar rigging too
2017-07-18 23:32 <nebadon> then changing to FBX would make sense
2017-07-18 23:32 <Ubit> not much..  just saving some builders the convertion step from FBX to collada
2017-07-18 23:32 <nebadon> otherwise it seems like it would be super painful
2017-07-18 23:32 <nebadon> yea we would have to remove a lot of limitations
2017-07-18 23:32 <Ubit> but anyone could make a tool to upload meshs from several formats
2017-07-18 23:33 <nebadon> like material limits, vertice limit
2017-07-18 23:33 <nebadon> otherwise you still run into same problems
2017-07-18 23:33 <nebadon> of extra work
2017-07-18 23:33 <Ubit> we will always need a  internal cooked format
2017-07-18 23:33 <Ubit> bc we do have dynamic content
2017-07-18 23:33 <nebadon> yea
2017-07-18 23:33 <Ubit> so we need to send things over the wire   as much cooked as possible
2017-07-18 23:34 <Ubit> that is what ll did...
2017-07-18 23:44 <smxy> 
ACTION 's head is swimming from trying to learn Docker too fast ...

2017-07-19 01:33 <BillBlight> Just gonna say this, People who could not even dream of being creators in SL, come to opensim and BAM they are a creator because previously OS let any crap work.
2017-07-19 01:33 <BillBlight> Now they whine because they can't use crappy stuff anywmore ... wahhhhhhhhhh
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2017-07-19 01:41 <Ubit> oh don't worry they find ways of using it :)
2017-07-19 01:42 <BillBlight> Oh yeah I know that, the desire to use crap , regardless of how crappy it is, is very strong in this community ..
2017-07-19 01:52 <smxy> But they CAN use it. No one has taken away BulletSim and it's still the default. I simply don't understand the angst.
2017-07-19 01:52 <smxy> Just don't use ubODE if it's an issue.
2017-07-19 01:53 <smxy> But I suppose they want to make mesh that works on any physics engine. Well, there's a fix for that ...
2017-07-19 01:53 <smxy> It's called making your mesh properly.
2017-07-19 01:56 <BillBlight> But smxy , they want their cake and eat it too .. they want the new stuff and the old stuff ... They can't be made to choose
2017-07-19 01:57 <smxy> Then stop doing anything but bugfixes to OpenSim, because obviously no new features can be introduced from here on out, unless they in no way impact existing functionality.
2017-07-19 01:57 <nebadon> well remember opensim is modular
2017-07-19 01:58 <nebadon> anyone could make and maintain modules that make opensimulator do anything you want
2017-07-19 01:58 <nebadon> new physics
2017-07-19 01:58 <nebadon> no script engine
2017-07-19 01:58 <nebadon> new*
2017-07-19 01:58 <nebadon> doesnt have to be in core
2017-07-19 01:59 <smxy> yes, so they are free to make a physics engine that will do what they want with their good and bad mesh
2017-07-19 01:59 <nebadon> I think what people are fierce about defending is mostly SL compatibility
2017-07-19 01:59 <Ubit> btw anyone noticed a cpu use increase on recent commits ?
2017-07-19 02:00 <Ubit> i have a im reporting that, but the person went afk :(
2017-07-19 02:00 <Ubit> actually offline
2017-07-19 02:00 <smxy> I'm on week-old code, so no.
2017-07-19 02:00 <Ubit> seems on the kfm commits
2017-07-19 02:00 <smxy> Make them file a Mantis and ignore it until they do. :)
2017-07-19 02:00 <Ubit> im running 2 and seems fines
2017-07-19 02:01 <BillBlight> and previously it was NOT SL compatible .. that is where I see the problem, Mesh is more SL compatible now than it was .. at least from what I can tell
2017-07-19 02:01 <smxy> so, hos does SL handle these meshes that aren't right?
2017-07-19 02:01 <Ubit> well i don't do things now just to be SL compatible
2017-07-19 02:02 <smxy> how* does
2017-07-19 02:02 <Ubit> but on that meshs... its viewer compatible
2017-07-19 02:02 <BillBlight> They can't be uploaded, OR HAVOK fixes them in Steps 2 and 3 which if you want to pay for HAVOK we can have that too ..
2017-07-19 02:02 <Ubit> and make sense of physics shape type use
2017-07-19 02:02 <Ubit> step 2 is a lesser issue
2017-07-19 02:02 <Ubit> ubOde will do those meshs also
2017-07-19 02:03 <Ubit> just odds of problems sjy up
2017-07-19 02:03 <Ubit> sky up
2017-07-19 02:03 <Ubit> to start at viewer side
2017-07-19 02:03 <Ubit> even with havok
2017-07-19 02:03 <smxy> So you are going to add backwards compatibility for these meshes that "work" in BulletSim, but not ubODE?
2017-07-19 02:04 <Ubit> no
2017-07-19 02:04 <Ubit> ubOde will never use visual part of meshs on physics collisions
2017-07-19 02:04 <Ubit> but step2 is another issue as i said
2017-07-19 02:05 <Ubit> a lesser one
2017-07-19 02:06 <Ubit> understand?
2017-07-19 02:06 <smxy> Not entirely, but I don't need to. :)
2017-07-19 02:06 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-19 02:06 <smxy> I don't make mesh. :)
2017-07-19 02:06 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-19 02:07 <smxy> And my only user who does, I just switched her region back to BulletSim, so no issue.
2017-07-19 02:07 <Ubit> that is why i did not touched bullet on that
2017-07-19 02:15 <smxy> Now, playing devil's advocate for the moment, there is a shit-ton of mesh out there already. I don't think we can expect that it will all be replaced with better mesh, and people aren't going to want to be forced to either throw it out or be barred from using ubODE. So, how hard *would* it be to detect these meshes that lack a physics shape, and handle them in a way that would allow them 
2017-07-19 02:15 <smxy> to work alongside "proper" mesh, in ubODE?
2017-07-19 02:16 <smxy> The question has to be asked.
2017-07-19 02:16 <Ubit> i tried to think work around
2017-07-19 02:17 <Ubit> problem is that the "wrong" meshs may be correct
2017-07-19 02:17 <Ubit> bc they where uploaded with a option that is also valid
2017-07-19 02:17 <Ubit> just for other uses
2017-07-19 02:18 <Ubit> for all cases when you do not need high resolution physics collsions
2017-07-19 02:18 <Ubit> either bc the object wil never have them ( a avatar mesh )
2017-07-19 02:18 <smxy> Understood. But Bulletsim treats them all the same, yes? Regardless of intended use? So why couldn't yoou?
2017-07-19 02:18 <Ubit> or bc you will add prim colldirs
2017-07-19 02:18 <Ubit> like cars 
2017-07-19 02:18 <Ubit> yes
2017-07-19 02:19 <Ubit> i did fire a 82 region
2017-07-19 02:19 <Ubit> and a prim uploaded withou physics mesh is going FULL high res collisons
2017-07-19 02:19 <Ubit> even set as shape convex
2017-07-19 02:20 <Ubit> and that is BAD
2017-07-19 02:20 <Ubit> yeap i can't make this crap use the convex hull on 0.8.2 bullet
2017-07-19 02:23 <smxy> Mesh that works properly with ubODE, will work properly with BulletSim?
2017-07-19 02:23 <Ubit> yeap
2017-07-19 02:23 <Ubit> well i hope :p
2017-07-19 02:23 <smxy> Just not the other way around.
2017-07-19 02:23 <Ubit> yeap
2017-07-19 02:24 <Ubit> issue is this
2017-07-19 02:24 <Ubit> a mesh is actually a collection of lets say meshs
2017-07-19 02:24 <Ubit> some for visual use, others for physics
2017-07-19 02:25 <Ubit> for visual you can have 4
2017-07-19 02:25 <smxy> I don't want to be an ass, but it seems to me that people should just use BulletSim until they know all their mesh is ubODE compatible. Maybe have creators say that it's "ubODE Compatible".
2017-07-19 02:25 <Ubit> to be used acording to distance
2017-07-19 02:25 <Ubit> far.. simpler meshs
2017-07-19 02:25 <Ubit> iths the LOD or level of detail thing
2017-07-19 02:25 <smxy> right
2017-07-19 02:26 <Ubit> ( actually not a easy thing either )
2017-07-19 02:26 <Ubit> now physics
2017-07-19 02:26 <Ubit> there is a "mesh" viewers alwasy create
2017-07-19 02:26 <Ubit> a simple convex hull
2017-07-19 02:26 <Ubit> that is a crude shape of the outside of the object
2017-07-19 02:27 <Ubit> and you select in word with the shape type convex...
2017-07-19 02:27 <Ubit> ok ?
2017-07-19 02:27 <smxy> ok
2017-07-19 02:27 <Ubit> in world you can also select None on child prims
2017-07-19 02:27 <Ubit> and poff no physics at all
2017-07-19 02:28 <smxy> phantom, right?
2017-07-19 02:28 <Ubit> no like old phatom
2017-07-19 02:28 <Ubit> phatom is diferent now.. it gets into physics
2017-07-19 02:28 <Ubit> ( and it is a linkset prop.. not a part one )
2017-07-19 02:28 <Ubit> now
2017-07-19 02:29 <Ubit> you can select a mesh also for physics
2017-07-19 02:29 <Ubit> on the upload tab  Step1 ?
2017-07-19 02:29 <Ubit> that can be a pointer to any of the visual LODs..
2017-07-19 02:29 <Ubit> or a mesh you made specially for physics
2017-07-19 02:29 <smxy> ok
2017-07-19 02:30 <Ubit> ( if you are like me you can make a mistake and load there the mesh of another object. having funny in world physics :P )
2017-07-19 02:30 <smxy> heh
2017-07-19 02:31 <Ubit> if you do that. the on viewer you will get the option PRIM
2017-07-19 02:31 <Ubit> and selecting that   gives you the full collisions resolution of that mesh
2017-07-19 02:31 <Ubit> ok ?
2017-07-19 02:31 <smxy> yes
2017-07-19 02:32 <Ubit> the Step 2 is just a variation of this.. still PRIM:. just more math..  etc..
2017-07-19 02:32 <Ubit> ok ?
2017-07-19 02:32 <smxy> but for Havok
2017-07-19 02:32 <BillBlight> I was just reading back and yes that is the problem with MESH, is it can be good mesh yet the user chose no physics on upload and bullet faked it ..
2017-07-19 02:32 <Ubit> or opensim 
2017-07-19 02:32 <Ubit> eihter ubOde or bullet
2017-07-19 02:33 <smxy> ok
2017-07-19 02:33 <Ubit> if you do select a mesh for phsyics.. no issues
2017-07-19 02:33 <Ubit> you see PRIM option and both will do it
2017-07-19 02:33 <Ubit> problem is when you DO NOT
2017-07-19 02:33 <smxy> right
2017-07-19 02:33 <Ubit> select a mesh for physics
2017-07-19 02:33 <BillBlight> correct me if I am wrong, but bullet faked the physcis mesh based on the geometry of the mesh, regardless of any actual physics?
2017-07-19 02:34 <Ubit> viewer will show you only the options NONE and CONVEX
2017-07-19 02:34 <Ubit> and that is what ubOde will do only
2017-07-19 02:34 <Ubit> see ?
2017-07-19 02:34 <smxy> yes
2017-07-19 02:34 <Ubit> now... here is the problem
2017-07-19 02:34 <Ubit> on this case.. bullet decided to read a mesh from the visual meshs
2017-07-19 02:35 <Ubit> and uses it
2017-07-19 02:35 <BillBlight> yes, what I call faking it ...
2017-07-19 02:35 <Ubit> even you telling not to...
2017-07-19 02:35 <smxy> right
2017-07-19 02:35 <Ubit> so you see on viewer types NONE and CONVEX only
2017-07-19 02:35 <Ubit> and the thing collids with FULL Resolution
2017-07-19 02:36 <smxy> Is there any way that you could add an optional mode that would do the same thing when people select NONE?
2017-07-19 02:36 <BillBlight> yep .. and that is an issue, because ubODE does not care about the faked physics, ;)
2017-07-19 02:36 <Ubit> when you ask for convex
2017-07-19 02:36 <Ubit> see the issue?
2017-07-19 02:36 <BillBlight> smxy none shoudl be NONE
2017-07-19 02:36 <BillBlight> always
2017-07-19 02:36 <Ubit> well ok not a big deal so far
2017-07-19 02:37 <Ubit> jsut happens ppl did not know this
2017-07-19 02:37 <smxy> Bill, I'm not disputing what should/shouldn't be. I'm trying to find a bridge here.
2017-07-19 02:37 <Ubit> they uploaded a mesh.. looked only to the first tab...  and upload
2017-07-19 02:37 <Ubit> and in world with bullet.. perfect full resolution collsions
2017-07-19 02:38 <Ubit> so.. ppl happy upload done
2017-07-19 02:38 <Ubit> see the problem ?
2017-07-19 02:38 <smxy> You keep using that term and I don't know what it means: "full resolution collsions"
2017-07-19 02:38 <Ubit> usinf the 100000 vertices you uploaded for visual part
2017-07-19 02:39 <Ubit> like i have seen
2017-07-19 02:39 <Ubit> see ?
2017-07-19 02:39 <BillBlight> it means the physics shape is also the visual shape
2017-07-19 02:39 <Ubit> the other way around :)
2017-07-19 02:40 <BillBlight> well ok
2017-07-19 02:40 <BillBlight> so if the visual shape has a billy tris so does the physics .. LOL
2017-07-19 02:40 <smxy> Not entirely. I get that it's bad because it's too many collision points (I think) but you haven't described what "good" is for this.
2017-07-19 02:40 <BillBlight> Billion
2017-07-19 02:40 <Ubit> the convex option means at most 256 vertices
2017-07-19 02:40 <smxy> Ah, I see
2017-07-19 02:41 <smxy> So, anyway, you can "fake it" like Bulletsim does, but trim back the tris?
2017-07-19 02:41 <Ubit> on bullet  you can't use convex
2017-07-19 02:41 <smxy> I meant: So, is there any way you can ...
2017-07-19 02:41 <Ubit> but that is not the worse of the problem
2017-07-19 02:42 <Ubit> the real problem is that bc of this ppl never learned to upload
2017-07-19 02:42 <Ubit> and never went to the details of doing better physics meshs etc
2017-07-19 02:43 <Ubit> for many mesh upload is only the first tab
2017-07-19 02:44 <Ubit> see ?
2017-07-19 02:44 <smxy> I understand. I also understand why ubODE does it differently. But I also understand that unless a technical way of bridging the gap can be found, whether it's preferred or not, then people will not use ubODE because they won't want to throw out what to them is perfectly fine mesh.
2017-07-19 02:45 <Ubit> i can't find one
2017-07-19 02:45 <Ubit> bc as i said.. it is a valid option to not select a high res mesh for physics
2017-07-19 02:46 <Ubit> and it is a option of the one that did upload it
2017-07-19 02:46 <Ubit> ( that may mean mesh costs on some comercial grids )
2017-07-19 02:46 <smxy> That was why I suggested an optional mode. If selected, then for those meshes it would behave as BulletSim does. When not selected, it would behave as you have it do now.
2017-07-19 02:46 <Ubit> option on opensim.ini ?
2017-07-19 02:46 <smxy> yes
2017-07-19 02:47 <Ubit> that whould be set always true
2017-07-19 02:47 <Ubit> and this problem will go on for ever
2017-07-19 02:48 <Ubit> ( by true i mean do as bullet )
2017-07-19 02:48 <smxy> Then you need to just forge ahead, let the criticism flow off your back, let people complain, and if no one uses ubODE (a lot of us will, though), then you have to accept that.
2017-07-19 02:48 <Ubit> ubOde is a option
2017-07-19 02:48 <Ubit> and has its things as such
2017-07-19 02:49 <Ubit> so i really can't understand all this discution for 2 years now
2017-07-19 02:49 <Ubit> bullet totaly broke ode scripts
2017-07-19 02:49 <Ubit> any discution like this?
2017-07-19 02:51 <smxy> First thing I did was check the mesh I bought - lots of landscaping stuff - and it all works fine under ubODE. So apparently Ozwell Wayfarer knows how to make proper mesh. :) So I use ubODE everywhere in my grid, except for the one region that's full of my user's mesh that needs BulletSim. So, people *will* switch, it will just take longer than you might like, because they won't want to 
2017-07-19 02:51 <smxy> toss their old, broken mesh.
2017-07-19 02:55 <smxy> I personally think it's fine to say, 'hey, I made this new thing. Here are its requirements." and if people can meet the requirements and want to use it, great. And if they can't, they can still use Bulletsim, just as they have been.
2017-07-19 02:55 <smxy> I don't see why they need to rag on you about it. No one is forcing them to use ubODE.
2017-07-19 03:36 <Ubit> well lets go on :)
2017-07-19 03:37 <smxy> I need a new feature. Wanna write it for me? :p
2017-07-19 03:58 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-19 04:09 <smxy> Actually, I need TWO things. :)
2017-07-19 04:10 <Ubit> 
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2017-07-19 04:10 <smxy> LOL
2017-07-19 04:13 <smxy> Well, one would benefit more people than the other. :)
2017-07-19 04:14 <smxy> Back-end region servers need to be able to talk to each other without going through the external interface of the router/firewall. But we've wished for this for years, so I don't see it happening.
2017-07-19 04:18 <smxy> The other is that I want soomething Kitely has: when you TP to a region that isn't ready for visitors (because it's down or suspended), they get sent to a holding cell, until the region is ready, then they are automatically sent on to their destination. I'm toying with the idea of running reagions in Docker containers and having them paused when there have been no visitors in some set 
2017-07-19 04:18 <smxy> amoount of time. An incoming visitor, when sent to the "holding cell" would trigger the unpausing of the container.
2017-07-19 04:19 <smxy> Oh, and full IPv6 support too. I guess that makes three things. :p
2017-07-19 04:19 <smxy> hehehe
2017-07-19 04:20 <smxy> That second one might actually make me have to learn C#.
2017-07-19 04:41 <Ubit> ;)
2017-07-19 04:41 <Ubit> all easy things :p
2017-07-19 04:42 <Ubit> doing something as kitley depends on the grid infrastructure
2017-07-19 04:43 <Ubit> don't see how to do it without imposing a model
2017-07-19 04:57 <smxy> It would be optional of course.
2017-07-19 04:57 <smxy> And I have the proper infrastructure. :)
2017-07-19 04:57 <BillBlight> Oh lordy Ubit, don't change how they do anything any more, they would just loose their minds if they had to learn something new ..
2017-07-19 05:20 <smxy> Time for bed.
2017-07-20 17:13 <Plugh> I can't understand how an OpenSim instance for a region that is empty except for 3 prims can be using 3.5G of memory.
2017-07-20 17:14 <Plugh> It should more like a bit more than a 10th of that.
2017-07-20 17:31 <Ubit> you have special regions
2017-07-20 17:32 <Plugh> special? Nothing special about them.
2017-07-20 17:33 <Ubit> Heap allocated to OpenSim   : 43 MB
2017-07-20 17:33 <Ubit> Last heap allocation rate   : 0 MB/s
2017-07-20 17:33 <Ubit> Average heap allocation rate: 0.005 MB/s
2017-07-20 17:33 <Ubit> Process memory:      Physical 238 MB     Paged 0 MB      Virtual 5581 MB
2017-07-20 17:33 <Ubit> this is linux
2017-07-20 17:33 <Ubit> 4839 prims
2017-07-20 17:34 <Ubit> 96 scripts
2017-07-20 17:36 <Plugh> I'm using -> ps -eo size,command |grep mono
2017-07-20 17:37 <Ubit> and is that virtual mem or physical
2017-07-20 17:37 <Plugh> On a machine using mono 2.10 and OS 0.8.2PF an empty sandbox shows a size of 478364.
2017-07-20 17:37 <Ubit> as you see mine lists 5G
2017-07-20 17:38 <Ubit> but VM that is not used mem
2017-07-20 17:38 <Plugh> With this other machine using mono 3.2.8 or 4.0.4 shows memory of 4093536. That is 10 times the size.
2017-07-20 17:39 <Ubit> mono 2.10 and OS 0.8.2PF really?
2017-07-20 17:40 <Ubit> comparing even diferent monos ?
2017-07-20 17:40 <Plugh> yes, that is for a small grid that someone I know runs.
2017-07-20 17:40 <Ubit> that number is VM or physical mem?
2017-07-20 17:41 <Plugh> I don't know. The point is that the same command on the two machines gives numbers that differ by an order of magnitude.
2017-07-20 17:41 <Plugh> I wouldn't expect that there was a change to the ps command in what type of memory it is saying is in use.
2017-07-20 17:42 <Ubit> you need to know what the comand does.. and if it did not change with OS and/or mono
2017-07-20 17:43 <Ubit> type show stats on console of that region and show
2017-07-20 17:45 <Plugh> MEMORY STATISTICS
2017-07-20 17:45 <Plugh> Heap allocated to OpenSim   : 39 MB
2017-07-20 17:45 <Plugh> Last heap allocation rate   : 0 MB/s
2017-07-20 17:45 <Plugh> Average heap allocation rate: 0 MB/s
2017-07-20 17:45 <Plugh> Process memory              : 140 MB
2017-07-20 17:46 <Ubit> so guess that PS lists VM
2017-07-20 17:46 <Ubit> and VM..  well you have 8TB of it per process
2017-07-20 17:46 <Plugh> hm... there is a difference. the machine using mono 2.10 is using procps and the new machine is using procps-ng
2017-07-20 17:47 <Ubit> VM allocation rules may change with mono versions etc
2017-07-20 17:47 <Ubit> and tools reports about memory may change with os version
2017-07-20 17:47 <Ubit> at least on windoes..
2017-07-20 17:48 <Ubit> they keep changing meanings
2017-07-20 17:49 <Ubit> and there is also commited memory
2017-07-20 17:49 <Ubit> but that does depend on OS specifics on memory handling
2017-07-20 17:49 <Ubit> OS as op sys
2017-07-20 17:54 <Ubit> no idea what that size on ps -eo means
2017-07-20 17:55 <Ubit> number is diferent for numbers on top also
2017-07-20 17:55 <Plugh> Changing the output of a basic command such as ps between real and virtual memory is going to break scripts used by sysadmins.
2017-07-20 17:56 <Ubit> tell that to linux ppl
2017-07-20 17:56 <Ubit> ( or windows )
2017-07-20 17:56 <Ubit> but on unix world, is standard that things are specific to a version
2017-07-20 17:57 <Ubit> unix has no versions compatibility like ms-dos introduced and still kinda holds on win
2017-07-20 17:58 <Ubit> ok s     size         memory size in kilobytes whatever that means
2017-07-20 17:58 <Ubit> guess its commited in win world
2017-07-20 17:58 <Ubit> vsize        total VM size in KiB
2017-07-20 17:59 <Ubit> rss          resident set size  <-- this is more close to physcal use
2017-07-20 18:00 <Plugh> The output of size vs vsize is about 300Meg only. Region is still up around 4G.
2017-07-20 18:01 <Ubit> what 4G ?
2017-07-20 18:02 <Plugh> ps using size or vsize both show memory numbers around 4G.
2017-07-20 18:05 <Plugh> The new grid is running with appdomainloading turned off. I told the grid owners that it improves script performance at the expense of memory usage. If an instance starts using around 4G RAM it is time to restart the instance. 
2017-07-20 18:05 <Plugh> If ps isn't returning useful numbers I'll have to see if I can find something else that will.
2017-07-20 18:06 <Ubit> resident mb a closer thing to actuall ram
2017-07-20 18:06 <Ubit> VM is not a measure
2017-07-20 18:07 <Ubit> size includes all libs referenced by a program
2017-07-20 18:07 <Ubit> etc
2017-07-20 18:07 <Ubit> some of those shared..
2017-07-20 18:11 <Ubit> ( and is for all programs not only opensim )
2017-07-20 18:16 <smxy> Yes. Resident is what you most care about. Total virtual memory, not so much.
2017-07-20 18:16 <smxy> Ubit has described that quite well.
2017-07-20 18:19 <smxy> Ubit: What can you tell me about Flying Monkeys?
2017-07-20 18:22 <Ubit> almost as Flying Pigs
2017-07-20 18:22 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-20 18:22 <Ubit> ( no idea ) 
2017-07-20 18:26 <BillBlight> The Flying Monkey's have arrived 
2017-07-20 18:32 <smxy> BillBlight: Even if it was my loopback rules, feeding my grid my internal address, which then fed it to his grid - and I *do* think that's what was happening - it still doesn't explain why I can go to and from the 75 other grids okay. That's really the only outstanding mystery in this, to me, at this point.
2017-07-20 18:33 <smxy> But I'm not going to worry about it too much.
2017-07-20 18:54 <BillBlight> smxy this is the issue I see with that, his grid is not going to ask you for your internal ip, you HAVE to be offering it, so again I find it hard to believe that the issue is on the other end ..
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2017-07-20 19:20 <smxy> BillBlight" read what I said, please. "...my loopback rules, feeding my grid my internal address, which then fed it to his grid...".
2017-07-20 19:21 <smxy> I still don't understand why it worked perfectly with other grids, and just not with his.
2017-07-20 19:21 <smxy> And saying I don't understand it, doesn't mean I'm saying the problem is at his end, either.
2017-07-20 19:21 <BillBlight> smxy I did read it, but you are right why is your side sending your internal IP to HIS grid specifically ...
2017-07-20 19:21 <BillBlight> that was my point
2017-07-20 19:21 <smxy> It sent ot to YOURS too, I bet.
2017-07-20 19:22 <BillBlight> nope
2017-07-20 19:22 <smxy> it*
2017-07-20 19:22 <BillBlight> I saw your external
2017-07-20 19:22 <smxy> When you looked, I was on my VPN.
2017-07-20 19:22 <BillBlight> oh yeah .. .well tp over without it
2017-07-20 19:22 <BillBlight> I'll look
2017-07-20 19:22 <smxy> I can't, I removed all those loopback rules, remember?
2017-07-20 19:22 <BillBlight> well hell
2017-07-20 19:22 <smxy> :)
2017-07-20 19:23 <BillBlight> You were not on your vpn the very first time you tp'd over
2017-07-20 19:23 <BillBlight> I should have that old log
2017-07-20 19:23 <smxy> I'm just trying to work throough, in my head, why his grid reacted differently, and I can't figure it out. *shrug*
2017-07-20 19:23 <smxy> No, I wasn't.
2017-07-20 19:24 <smxy> look for 192.168.30.100
2017-07-20 19:24 <smxy> I would have been coming in as that the day I hung out there chatting for hours.
2017-07-20 19:24 <smxy> My first visit, I think.
2017-07-20 19:25 <BillBlight> well I'll be a flying monkey's uncle
2017-07-20 19:25 <smxy> Your grid saw my internal address, right?
2017-07-20 19:27 <BillBlight> only in one of the two places, pretty sure his was seeing it in both places
2017-07-20 19:27 <smxy> So the mystery stands, as to why his reacted differently than yours, and everyone else's.
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2017-07-20 23:35 <smxy> Question: is there any way to have a telehub in a region, which obvioulsy controls where someone lands when entering the region, but then allow them to TP around the region, after arrival?
2017-07-20 23:36 <Ubit> don't remember.. bill also spoke to me about that  but i did look still
2017-07-20 23:38 <nebadon> that is the default functionality of telehub
2017-07-20 23:38 <smxy> Because at the moment, after they arrive, it is intended that they TP to another part of my region, via one of my gates. But when they do, the telehub grabs them and pulls them to it, instead of letting them go to the gate's destination.
2017-07-20 23:38 <nebadon> it only redirects the initial teleport
2017-07-20 23:38 <nebadon> all secondary teleports should function once inside the region
2017-07-20 23:38 <smxy> Then maybe I have a setting wrong.
2017-07-20 23:38 <nebadon> yea that is odd
2017-07-20 23:38 <nebadon> once your inside a region telehub bascially should go away
2017-07-20 23:39 <smxy> That's what I thought.
2017-07-20 23:39 <nebadon> im not even sure there are settings to over ride that
2017-07-20 23:39 <nebadon> sure you arent using osteleportagegnt anywhere?
2017-07-20 23:39 <smxy> Let me look. It's been ages since  I set this up....
2017-07-20 23:39 <nebadon> some kind of security thing or something?
2017-07-20 23:40 <smxy> Hmmm. The parcel, which is the size of the region is set to 'teleports blocked'. Bet that's it.
2017-07-20 23:40 <nebadon> ah could be
2017-07-20 23:40 <nebadon> in that case it may fall back to nearest hub
2017-07-20 23:44 <Ubit> yeap it does work on local
2017-07-20 23:46 <Ubit> and they are active only if AllowDirectTeleport is not true, on all cases
2017-07-20 23:46 <Ubit> so.. they work on all cases but tp via lm
2017-07-20 23:47 <Ubit> hmm
2017-07-20 23:50 <smxy> Now, with teleport routing set to Anywhere, I'm told I can't tp closer to my destination, when I use the gate.
2017-07-20 23:50 <Ubit> actually special code for the local tps forcing them
2017-07-20 23:51 <Ubit> that means you are already close to a spaw point
2017-07-20 23:51 <smxy> Yes, the telehub is inside a building. I arrive at it. I thne walk outside, to use a gate to tp elsewhere in the region, but can't.
2017-07-20 23:51 <Ubit> err its estate setting
2017-07-20 23:52 <Ubit> m_scene.RegionInfo.EstateSettings.AllowDirectTeleport
2017-07-20 23:52 <Ubit> this is the one that controls telehubs
2017-07-20 23:52 <nebadon> yea changing that to allow direct will completely disable telehub though
2017-07-20 23:52 <nebadon> pretty sure
2017-07-20 23:53 <Ubit> on estate yes
2017-07-20 23:53 <Ubit> parcel setting is hmm ignored
2017-07-20 23:54 <Ubit> those only work with landpoints it seems
2017-07-20 23:55 <nebadon> with allow direct off and setting of anywhere on parcel
2017-07-20 23:55 <Ubit> guess telehubs idea was to prevent ppl to tp anywhere 
2017-07-20 23:55 <nebadon> second teleport should let you go anywhere in the region
2017-07-20 23:55 <Ubit> well this code was done by spec ages ago
2017-07-20 23:56 <smxy> where do you set allow direct off?
2017-07-20 23:56 <nebadon> Estate panel
2017-07-20 23:56 <nebadon> on the Estate Tab
2017-07-20 23:56 <Ubit> yes but that kills all telehubd
2017-07-20 23:56 <smxy> Allow Direct Teleport is unchecked.
2017-07-20 23:56 <nebadon> yea that enables telehub
2017-07-20 23:56 <nebadon> having it unchecked
2017-07-20 23:56 <Ubit> and if there is one, of course :)
2017-07-20 23:57 <smxy> So there is no way to only have the telehub control the TP that gets them to the reion, but no others?
2017-07-20 23:57 <smxy> region*
2017-07-20 23:57 <nebadon> only way would be with OSSL
2017-07-20 23:57 <Ubit> don't see
2017-07-20 23:57 <nebadon> or write a module :P
2017-07-20 23:58 <Ubit> and if remember we have a issue with the parcel settings
2017-07-20 23:58 <smxy> Okay, I tried replacing the telehub with a simple landing point, but people were landing elsewhere.
2017-07-20 23:58 <Ubit> a fix was forced to go into core votation and got a veto
2017-07-20 23:58 <Ubit> so.. unfixed
2017-07-20 23:59 <smxy> This is a 3x3 var.
2017-07-20 23:59 <Ubit> hmm don't remember the details of the issue now
2017-07-20 23:59 <smxy> the landing point would be outside the sw 256x256 area.
2017-07-20 23:59 <Ubit> think the ideia of those telehubs is to let ppl use tp to get to the closest spaw point
2017-07-20 23:59 <Ubit> and walk/fly in other cases
2017-07-21 00:00 <nebadon> with Encitra
2017-07-21 00:00 <nebadon> because we use 100% mesh terrain
2017-07-21 00:00 <nebadon> without teleub you land underground
2017-07-21 00:00 <Ubit> ie not to use tp to jump anywhere
2017-07-21 00:00 <nebadon> guess the map raycast fails with large mesh
2017-07-21 00:00 <Ubit> so you are on 0.8.2 also :p
2017-07-21 00:01 <Ubit> map raycasts??
2017-07-21 00:01 <Ubit> there are no map ray casts
2017-07-21 00:01 <nebadon> like if you double click on the map
2017-07-21 00:01 <nebadon> it hits terrain
2017-07-21 00:01 <nebadon> and not our large mesh tiles
2017-07-21 00:01 <nebadon> so it gets the terrain fill 21 layer
2017-07-21 00:02 <nebadon> below our large mesh tiles
2017-07-21 00:02 <smxy> Okay, so forget how I've been doing it. The goal is that when they TP into the region, they arrive at <324,407,30> and now where else, then beable to TP anywhere in the region. How do I do that?
2017-07-21 00:02 <smxy> no* where else
2017-07-21 00:02 <nebadon> well with Telehub on and Parcel setting to anywhere
2017-07-21 00:02 <Ubit> landpoint ?
2017-07-21 00:02 <nebadon> that is what should happen
2017-07-21 00:03 <smxy> except it doesn't when they walk to the gate they are told they can't tp any closer.
2017-07-21 00:03 <Ubit> parcel is only used on landpoints
2017-07-21 00:03 <nebadon> thats really strange
2017-07-21 00:03 <smxy> as for landing point, that's what I thought too, but got reports of people landing elsewhere, underwater.
2017-07-21 00:03 <Ubit> yes that was original thing
2017-07-21 00:03 <nebadon> maybe accounts with god level user see different behavior
2017-07-21 00:04 <smxy> yes, nebadon. I had to switch to a non-god to see what others were seeing
2017-07-21 00:04 <nebadon> hmm
2017-07-21 00:04 <Ubit> telehugs where to make ppl move around fixed locations
2017-07-21 00:04 <Ubit> and return fast to one
2017-07-21 00:04 <Ubit> err telehugs? lol
2017-07-21 00:04 <smxy> hehe
2017-07-21 00:04 <nebadon> lol
2017-07-21 00:05 <smxy> Maybe I had the LP set a tad too low and they fell through the floor to the water below?
2017-07-21 00:05 <Ubit> so if you are already close to one, you are suposed to walk
2017-07-21 00:05 <smxy> let me raise it a hair ...
2017-07-21 00:05 <Ubit> LL made them for Malls
2017-07-21 00:06 <nebadon> yea whenever i telehub or teleport someone
2017-07-21 00:06 <nebadon> i always put it about 2.0m off the ground
2017-07-21 00:06 <nebadon> better they fall a bit than be waste deep in floor
2017-07-21 00:06 <nebadon> or fall completely below
2017-07-21 00:06 <Ubit> you are talking about 0.8.x right ?
2017-07-21 00:06 <nebadon> maybe
2017-07-21 00:07 <nebadon> i mean i use 0.9 too
2017-07-21 00:07 <Ubit> well or with bullet
2017-07-21 00:07 <nebadon> im mostly just talking about best practices
2017-07-21 00:07 <nebadon> if you want to make things "bug" proof
2017-07-21 00:07 <Ubit> 91 with ubode does raycasts
2017-07-21 00:07 <Ubit> but..  i really need to review that code
2017-07-21 00:07 <Ubit> need to change the ode lib first
2017-07-21 00:08 <Ubit> it does not do backrays in same shapes  grrr
2017-07-21 00:08 <Ubit> backside
2017-07-21 00:08 <Ubit> and seems ppl don't like to land on roof tops :p
2017-07-21 00:09 <Ubit> with bullet guess landing is identical to 82
2017-07-21 00:10 <Ubit> with mesh terrain.. you get under it
2017-07-21 00:11 <smxy> I set the landing point, but when I pull up the region in the word map, which defaults to 128 128 0, that's where it goes, and not to the LP.
2017-07-21 00:11 <Ubit> smxy having only a parcel and a single location mb landpoint is a better option
2017-07-21 00:12 <smxy> that's what I just did, Ubit and it didn;t work.
2017-07-21 00:12 <smxy> oh, but I didn't change tp routing
2017-07-21 00:13 <Ubit> land.LandData.LandingType == (byte)LandingType.LandingPoint
2017-07-21 00:13 <Ubit> yeap
2017-07-21 00:13 <smxy> just set it to landing point. lets see if it works now
2017-07-21 00:13 <Ubit> lms and other tps do bypass lp
2017-07-21 00:14 <Ubit> Ahh and you have 2 versions of the rules
2017-07-21 00:14 <Ubit> OS and SL ones :)
2017-07-21 00:14 <smxy> there, that time, when I tped into the region, even though the world map was 128,128,0 I went to the LP.
2017-07-21 00:15 <smxy> now I should be able to use my gate ...
2017-07-21 00:15 <Ubit> string lpb = sconfig.GetString("LandingPointBehavior", "LandingPointBehavior_OS");
2017-07-21 00:15 <Ubit>                 if (lpb == "LandingPointBehavior_SL")
2017-07-21 00:15 <Ubit>                     m_LandingPointBehavior = LandingPointBehavior.SL;
2017-07-21 00:15 <smxy> Nope. took me right to the landing point
2017-07-21 00:16 <Ubit> osteleport?
2017-07-21 00:17 <Ubit> well guess ostp always makes a long range tp
2017-07-21 00:17 <smxy> Yes, osTeleportAgent
2017-07-21 00:18 <Ubit> well can't mess much with that now
2017-07-21 00:18 <Ubit> fixing for yr use may break others uff
2017-07-21 00:18 <smxy> Okay, but how do I get the behavior I desire?
2017-07-21 00:19 <Ubit> put a big arrow with lable "WALK THERE"
2017-07-21 00:19 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-21 00:19 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-21 00:19 <smxy> My Welcome area is a building on a dock, at sea level. The gates that people are coming to use, is up in the air. So the idea is they tp in, land in the welcome area, where I have signs, etc., then take a gate up to the other gates.
2017-07-21 00:20 <Ubit> hmm try changinf that option above to SL
2017-07-21 00:20 <Ubit> uff don't remember the dif anymore
2017-07-21 00:20 <Ubit> possible SL is worse :p
2017-07-21 00:20 <smxy> is this a setting I can find in the defaults file?
2017-07-21 00:21 <Ubit> hmm think it also does tp owners
2017-07-21 00:21 <Ubit> so worse for you
2017-07-21 00:23 <smxy> the default value is the OS flavor
2017-07-21 00:23 <Ubit> yeap ostp does a vialocation
2017-07-21 00:23 <Ubit> and that hits lp
2017-07-21 00:24 <smxy> the only difference between the two, according to the comments is how gods are handled.
2017-07-21 00:24 <smxy> So this has no bearing on regular users.
2017-07-21 00:25 <Ubit> god region owners and managers
2017-07-21 00:25 <smxy> So I still don't see how to get what I want, for them.
2017-07-21 00:25 <Ubit> SL sends all to lp
2017-07-21 00:25 <smxy> Having a landing point should not stop me from TPing to someplace else after I'm here.
2017-07-21 00:26 <Ubit> ostp does a map tp
2017-07-21 00:26 <smxy> or, rather, there needs to be a way for me to
2017-07-21 00:26 <Ubit> so..  -> lp
2017-07-21 00:27 <Ubit> but the SL one does rotate the avatar :p
2017-07-21 00:27 <smxy> Is there no way to do this?
2017-07-21 00:28 <Ubit> not at the moment with osTP
2017-07-21 00:28 <Ubit> it does not do a real local tp
2017-07-21 00:29 <Ubit> minimap tps are sent to lp also?
2017-07-21 00:29 <smxy> I'm going to have to make a sit target tp that unsits them a few hundred meters in the air, I think
2017-07-21 00:29 <Ubit> yeackk
2017-07-21 00:30 <smxy> well, make me a better way, then. :p
2017-07-21 00:30 <smxy> yes, it's ugly as hell.
2017-07-21 00:30 <smxy> But if it works.
2017-07-21 00:30 <Ubit> sit the avatat on a prim and use objecttp
2017-07-21 00:32 <smxy> The how does the "chair" return for the next person? What if they want to go back to the welcome place? My gate, up there, won't work to tp them bak. This is such a dman pita
2017-07-21 00:34 <smxy> Gotta think abut how to do this best ...
2017-07-21 00:34 <Ubit> osTeleportAgent(string agent, LSL_Types.Vector3 position, LSL_Types.Vector3 lookat)
2017-07-21 00:34 <Ubit> ...
2017-07-21 00:34 <Ubit> World.RequestTeleportLocation(presence.ControllingClient, World.RegionInfo.RegionName, position,
2017-07-21 00:34 <Ubit>                     lookat, (uint)TPFlags.ViaLocation);
2017-07-21 00:34 <Ubit> ...
2017-07-21 00:34 <Ubit> ufff
2017-07-21 00:35 <smxy> Mine is doing osTeleportAgent (Agent, Destination, LandingPoint, LookAt)
2017-07-21 00:35 <Ubit> whyyy  lol
2017-07-21 00:35 <Ubit> this follows that
2017-07-21 00:36 <Ubit> ohh destination as region?
2017-07-21 00:36 <Ubit> well no way.. that does to to lp
2017-07-21 00:37 <Ubit> it is like a click o map tp
2017-07-21 00:37 <smxy> Actually, the destination is to my grid address+region
2017-07-21 00:37 <smxy> I think
2017-07-21 00:37 <Ubit> i had the idea you where doing local tps
2017-07-21 00:38 <Ubit> on far ones objecttp is UGLY
2017-07-21 00:38 <Ubit> :(
2017-07-21 00:38 <smxy> yes, it's actually using just the region name
2017-07-21 00:38 <Ubit> well so.. nopes.. no fix :(
2017-07-21 00:40 <Ubit> hmm
2017-07-21 00:40 <Ubit> you can make a parcel on target
2017-07-21 00:40 <Ubit> a tiny one
2017-07-21 00:40 <smxy> We need a landing point mode, or telehub mode, that says: I control where you land on intial rezz in the region. After that, you can TP around in the region anywhere you please.
2017-07-21 00:40 <smxy> hmm?
2017-07-21 00:41 <Ubit> landpoints are per parcel
2017-07-21 00:41 <smxy> oh, so then when they walk out of it, they can tp as desired?
2017-07-21 00:41 <Ubit> yeap
2017-07-21 00:41 <Ubit> its a per parcel thing
2017-07-21 00:42 <smxy> how high does the parcel go? Will it parcel part of my sky islands too?
2017-07-21 00:42 <Ubit> infinity 
2017-07-21 00:42 <Ubit> only bans have z limit
2017-07-21 00:42 <smxy> let me see if there is anything directly above the hoouse ...
2017-07-21 00:43 <Ubit> but idea was a large parcel with lp
2017-07-21 00:43 <Ubit> so tp via map works
2017-07-21 00:43 <Ubit> and a tiny one on your tp target
2017-07-21 00:43 <Ubit> or it changes?
2017-07-21 00:44 <smxy> I'm not sure I understand you
2017-07-21 00:44 <Ubit> ( lps have no z limitations only parcel area
2017-07-21 00:44 <smxy> yes
2017-07-21 00:45 <Ubit> what kind of tps are you doing?
2017-07-21 00:45 <Ubit> to fixed locations on target region?
2017-07-21 00:45 <smxy> what do you mean what kind?
2017-07-21 00:46 <Ubit> could be to random locations.. whatever
2017-07-21 00:46 <smxy> yes, the gate tps them to a particular spot up in the sky. afterwards, they wander around and find some gate that will take them out of the region either to another region on my grid or to another grid
2017-07-21 00:47 <Ubit> and that spot can't be the LP ?
2017-07-21 00:47 <smxy> My LP is in my welcome area in a building down at sea level
2017-07-21 00:48 <Ubit> well a workaround is place that stop on a small area that has no lp
2017-07-21 00:48 <Ubit> that spot
2017-07-21 00:48 <smxy> the spot they tp to in the sky?
2017-07-21 00:48 <Ubit> or has one to where you want
2017-07-21 00:48 <Ubit> yeap
2017-07-21 00:49 <smxy> hmm
2017-07-21 00:49 <Ubit> messy
2017-07-21 00:49 <Ubit> bc ppl also do that for sound.. media etc
2017-07-21 00:50 <Ubit> even if own all region..  
2017-07-21 00:51 <smxy> So I need one parcel big enough to include 128,128,0 and where I want the LP, plus a second parcel that includes where I want thm to land in the sky.
2017-07-21 00:51 <Ubit> yeap
2017-07-21 00:51 <Ubit> or a tiny just under the arrival point
2017-07-21 00:51 <smxy> will the gate in the LP parcel allow them to TP to le location in the second parcel?
2017-07-21 00:52 <Ubit> it should
2017-07-21 00:52 <Ubit> bc as i said lps are per parcel
2017-07-21 00:52 <Ubit> while telehubs are region
2017-07-21 00:52 <smxy> oh, so parcel #2 only need be a couple meters square
2017-07-21 00:52 <Ubit> yeap
2017-07-21 00:53 <smxy> and could be within parcel 1
2017-07-21 00:53 <Ubit> and all other settings idential
2017-07-21 00:53 <Ubit> as i said you can do that also to have diferent music on some places
2017-07-21 00:53 <smxy> let me try that.
2017-07-21 00:54 <Ubit> or video etc
2017-07-21 00:54 <Ubit> now..  its more trouble sure
2017-07-21 00:54 <Ubit> AHH and use estate bans :p
2017-07-21 00:56 <Ubit> ( or to not force video on ppl that is not on the theather like happens on so many places and is irritating
2017-07-21 00:59 <smxy> heh, gotta move the "secondary" LP. It's right over the "primary" LP. :P
2017-07-21 00:59 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-21 01:03 <Ubit> well going rl :)
2017-07-21 01:04 <smxy> That worked!
2017-07-21 01:05 <smxy> TYVM, Ubit.
2017-07-21 01:05 <smxy> I knew there HAD to be a way to do this ... :)
2017-07-21 01:09 <smxy> Frustrating as they can be, I love working through stuff like this.
2017-07-21 01:09 <smxy> Thank you for your input too, nebadon.
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2017-07-21 03:10 <BillBlight> See this teleport issue was solved by my MRM telehub .. Until we discovered that it eveidenlty got broken at some point ...
2017-07-21 03:32 <BillBlight> Gahhh I have a user that blames everything that he does not know how to do on .9 
2017-07-21 03:58 <smxy> That a user for you. Sigh.
2017-07-21 03:58 <smxy> That's*
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2017-07-21 13:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubOde suport convex shapes on all normal prims and sculpts. Since code is experimental this is controled by options ConvexPrims and ConvexSculpts, on section Mesh, that can be set to false in case of problems
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2017-07-22 00:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubOde: represent small objects as a box. A object is small is all scale dimensions are less or equal to option MinSizeToMeshmerize (in ODEPhysicsSettings) with default of 0.1. This is needed because this objects hit narrow phase with high overlaps alot more, and so have high cpu cost.
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2017-07-22 00:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubOde: make option MinSizeToMeshmerize visible in OpenSimDefaults.ini
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2017-07-22 00:52 <Ubit> Oops
2017-07-22 00:54 <Ubit> hmm nahh force_simple_prim_meshing was just silly even for old Ode
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2017-07-22 00:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubOde: remove some dead code
2017-07-22 01:01 <Ubit> errr~
2017-07-22 01:01 <Ubit> silly me
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2017-07-22 01:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubOde: let small spheres still be spheres
2017-07-22 01:54 <smxy> That's boring. Let them be squares! :)
2017-07-22 01:54 <Ubit> :)
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2017-07-23 20:25 <smxy> Quick question: Is BulletSIm going to be changed to treat mesh without physics shapes, the same way ubODE does? I'm in a meeting where they are bitching about this, in ubODE, as usual, but when I said use BulletSim, instead, I was told this is being forced into BulletSim too, thus everyone's content will be "broken" either way.
2017-07-23 20:26 <smxy> I have not heard that said about BulletSim before.
2017-07-23 20:26 <nebadon> untrue
2017-07-23 20:27 <nebadon> I suspect its already optional maybe in bulletsim, but dont quote me on that
2017-07-23 20:29 <smxy> Well, that's what Ilan is telling people. Based on something he read in some G+ thread, that I've not seen a link to.
2017-07-23 20:30 <nebadon> well I am fairly certain its never been discussed among core group
2017-07-23 20:30 <nebadon> misterblue can maybe clarify better since he does most of the bulletsim maintaining
2017-07-23 20:30 <nebadon> he can maybe say if there is an option variable for this function too
2017-07-23 20:33 <nebadon> honestly if someone is not sure about something they hear, they should probably try confirming it with a reliable source before repeating it
2017-07-23 20:34 <nebadon> its not like core group is unreachable or anything
2017-07-23 20:35 <smxy> I'd like to see this article.
2017-07-23 20:40 <Plugh> smxy: You should find out if the people who are bitching know the proper way to upload mesh so they don't create more broken mesh objects.
2017-07-23 20:44 <smxy> They do.
2017-07-23 20:44 <smxy> They are concerned about existing content.
2017-07-23 20:45 <smxy> Here is the thread that Ilan provided to back up his comment about BulletSim. I have not read it yet: https://plus.google.com/116809510439349492491/posts/3poHoeZo9bj?cfem=1
2017-07-23 20:56 <smxy> I imagine Ilan is not happy with me at the moment, having just told him he was spreadiing FUD and not properly fact-checking. :(
2017-07-23 20:56 <smxy> But I believe it to be an accurate statement.
2017-07-23 21:58 <Bill_Blight> I know unless MisterBlue is planning on making changes to Bullet, Ubit has made no such statements
2017-07-23 21:59 <Bill_Blight> And I was at that meeting in that thread, there was NEVER anything said about changing bullet, only that bullet was "technically" not storing physics meshes, but was creating them from the visual mesh.
2017-07-23 22:00 <Bill_Blight> So in bullet, even if you upload a proper physics mesh it is not going to use it, that is what I understand from Ubit, it is going to create one based on the visual mesh.
2017-07-23 22:03 <Bill_Blight> smxy I think your statement is accurate, Illan is just fearmongering ...
2017-07-23 22:04 <Bill_Blight> I think what he "read into it" is the fact that on .9 if your model is just busted , and I mean busted, .9 will not let you upload it, regardless of the physics engine , period end of story.
2017-07-23 22:09 <nebadon> I think with bulletsim the only time bullet uses visual is if the object has no physics mesh 
2017-07-23 22:09 <nebadon> as a fallback
2017-07-23 22:09 <Bill_Blight> nebadon you might ask Ubit or Misterblue about that, Ubit looked at it and said that is what it defaulted too, and if that is the case it would explain all the busted mesh ..
2017-07-23 22:10 <Bill_Blight> I just find it odd, that IF it was actually storing the actual physics mesh that ubODE would have such an issue ..
2017-07-23 22:10 <nebadon> ok yea he would be the one to ask about that for sure
2017-07-23 22:10 <nebadon> that was just how i remember it though
2017-07-23 22:10 <smxy> Ilan did finallay allow that if what was said in the post was incorrect, then his statements might be incorrect.
2017-07-23 22:11 <Bill_Blight> I can't even find something like that in that post smxy
2017-07-23 22:13 <smxy> There were only two things in it that came close, Bill. One was the thing about busted mesh not being allowed to be uploaded, that someone showed what codd to comment out to revert that, and the other was someone saying that the thought BulletSim would go the same way as ubODE eventually. A differnt issue, in the first case, and pure speculation in the second.
2017-07-23 22:13 <smxy> s/codd/code/
2017-07-23 22:14 <Bill_Blight> yeah  like I said , he "read into" things that were not even really there, pure fearmongering ...
2017-07-23 22:15 <Bill_Blight> I see it as this, if ubODE requires a correct physics mesh, not some crazy custom ubODE physics mesh, just a correct one, IF bullet was storing a correct physics mesh, then there would not be these issues ..
2017-07-23 22:15 <smxy> Then people got off on why there isn't a release yet. I said that Diva is responsible for it, and is off in RL somewhere. Ilan countered, saying that Diva *wants* a release. I countered with "Then she should show up and make one."
2017-07-23 22:17 <Bill_Blight> I mean am I wrong in thinking that if the physics mesh was stored correctly in the first place , then these mesh issues would not exist?
2017-07-23 22:20 <Bill_Blight> and to add to my above statement , if it WAS not stored correctly in the past, why should actually storing it correctly be considered broken?  I mean we used to treat almost everything with bloodletting and leeches, till we learned better ... Just because it is the way it always has been done, does not make it the right way to keep doing it.
2017-07-23 22:23 <Bill_Blight> This mesh issue, is less about peoples egos, and broken content than it is about just doing it correctly ...  Progress is moving forward, not staying stagnant .
2017-07-23 22:24 <smxy> Of everyone at the meeting, it seemed the creators got that, and want to make good mesh henceforth.
2017-07-23 22:24 <smxy> It's just how to deal with all the embedded content already.
2017-07-23 22:24 <Bill_Blight> 
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2017-07-23 22:25 <smxy> You know what? Steak is better than drama. I think I'll go grill a steak.
2017-07-23 22:25 <Bill_Blight> well how  you handle existing content, you stay on bullet .... Just like if you want to run your apps that are only compatible with windows 7 requires you to stay on windows 7
2017-07-23 22:25 <Bill_Blight> I grilled steak eariler
2017-07-23 22:34 <Bill_Blight> HOLY CRAP, Watching Metaworld Live Stream, and the sea finally parted , hell froze over, cats and dogs are living together, I agreed with something Melanie said ... LOL :P
2017-07-23 22:59 <smxy> Mmmm, steak was goooood. :)
2017-07-23 23:19 <Bill_Blight> I love the fact that someone from the Core time just said PUBLICALLY on Mal's Inworld Review that , "YOU HAVE BEEN DOING MESH WRONG" .. Thank you MarcusLlewellyn
2017-07-23 23:28 <OtakuMegane> Just to understand something (not argue lol), since I'm pretty out of the loop still: BulletSim can generate a physics model from the visual mesh. Is that function flawed or inefficient in some way? And if there's no particular issue with it, is it something that could be imported to another physics engine like ubODE?
2017-07-23 23:30 <Bill_Blight> OtakuMegane, that is just the incorrect way for just about every 3d software out there, to use visual as physcis, and to my understanding if Bullet stored the physics mesh correctly then this would not be an issue ..
2017-07-23 23:31 <Bill_Blight> The physics mesh should not have as many tris as the visual mesh, just puts uneeded load on the server
2017-07-23 23:31 <Bill_Blight> and making the physics mesh from the visual creates an overly complicated physics mesh
2017-07-23 23:33 <Bill_Blight> I am no expert on this, but I have done mods and models for other game engines, and there was always a required physics mesh IF the object was to be physical
2017-07-23 23:33 <OtakuMegane> So it's mostly a matter of being inefficient and more complex than necessary.
2017-07-23 23:34 <Bill_Blight> well yes, and a total deviation from the NORM in 3d game design .. Including how SL does it ..
2017-07-23 23:36 <OtakuMegane> Ok, makes sense. I was thinking it was along those lines but wasn't sure. I have yet to actually delve into creating mesh stuff.
2017-07-23 23:37 <Bill_Blight> Like I said earlier, just because it is the way it always has been done, in our world, does not make it the right way it should be done.  And continuing to do it wrong is just not real progress ..
2017-07-23 23:40 <Bill_Blight> The part that I don't understand, is if Bullet was creating a real physics mesh from the visual, and storing it properly, even though it would be overly complicated , then it should work, but from what I understand it does not actually store the physics mesh correctly either ..
2017-07-23 23:47 <nebadon> I am not sure it stores it
2017-07-23 23:47 <nebadon> its probably only in memory
2017-07-23 23:51 <OtakuMegane> From what I seem to recall it just generates the physics model on load/rez. Nothing is stored really.
2017-07-23 23:52 <Bill_Blight> hmmm well nebadon, if that is the cause I'm sure bullet could be changed to store the mesh after it "fakes" it .. I wonder if that would mitigate these issues?  Still would not be "right" but may solve some issues .. But I don't know just spitballing ..
2017-07-23 23:53 <Bill_Blight> To me , how could "on the fly" physics mesh rendering every be a good thing?
2017-07-23 23:53 <Bill_Blight> (unless of course you are dealing with deformable meshes)
2017-07-23 23:54 <nebadon> im not sure you can inject stuff into assets
2017-07-23 23:54 <nebadon> fixing stuff is likely not possible
2017-07-23 23:54 <nebadon> it all happens on region start
2017-07-23 23:54 <nebadon> the entire physics mesh is in memory 
2017-07-23 23:55 <nebadon> what it means though is that you are using HIGH quality physics mesh
2017-07-23 23:55 <nebadon> which on some things is very bad idea
2017-07-23 23:55 <Bill_Blight> It was a thought, I guess I figured if it is renderinig it on the fly, since the method for storing physics data exsits, it could check if it exists for that asset if not save it.
2017-07-23 23:55 <nebadon> thats all read
2017-07-23 23:55 <Bill_Blight> hey one can dream
2017-07-23 23:55 <nebadon> so its jut a matter of reading the visible mesh as physics
2017-07-23 23:56 <nebadon> well I dont think it would make much difference
2017-07-23 23:56 <nebadon> the end result is always the same
2017-07-23 23:56 <nebadon> reading physics data vs visual data
2017-07-23 23:56 <Bill_Blight> Yes and using overly complex visual mesh as physics , is NO NO, everyplace else but Opensim
2017-07-23 23:56 <nebadon> the benchmark is likely 1:1
2017-07-23 23:56 <nebadon> but yea it doesnt scale well
2017-07-23 23:56 <OtakuMegane> If it can generate a relatively efficient model it could a lot of hassle and open up dynamic editing and manipulation possibilities. But as it stands right now it's very inefficient and improving on it isn't a simple task at all.
2017-07-23 23:56 <Bill_Blight> Well it is a no no in opensim too, we just do it anyway
2017-07-23 23:57 <OtakuMegane> It's kind of how 20+ years ago Assembly language was still a bigger thing because compilers weren't terribly efficient. Now most compilers are close or better than what humans could do manually so outside a handful of circumstances nobody really does Assembly any more.
2017-07-23 23:58 <Bill_Blight> well and since systems are faster, the level of needed efficency has decreased, sadly ..
2017-07-23 23:59 <OtakuMegane> To a degree. There's a point you can't just throw more silicon at something whether for issues of design, budget or physics. That shows up quite often still.
2017-07-23 23:59 <Bill_Blight> today most people are satisfide with "just works"
2017-07-24 00:00 <Bill_Blight> everyone wants their magic boxes and their pretty iconds to just do what they want them to do, regardless of right , wrong, efficient, or upside down and backwards ..
2017-07-24 00:00 <OtakuMegane> lol
2017-07-24 00:01 <Bill_Blight> Other than the "geek crowd" I dare anybody to tell me that assesment is wrong for the mainstream community ..
2017-07-24 00:02 <Bill_Blight> LOL
2017-07-24 00:13 <smxy> Playing Devil's Advocate for the moment, just as you say doing it the way we have been, just because that's the way we have been doing it, isn't right, then why does OpenSim have to handle the physics mesh like "everything else" does, just because they do? Why not do it like BulletSim does, but perhaps with not such a high resolution physics mesh?
2017-07-24 00:15 <OtakuMegane> The problem is mostly "not such a high resolution physics mesh" I believe. Reducing the complexity of a mesh without introducing errors is a difficult thing to automate.
2017-07-24 00:16 <OtakuMegane> Not to mention a single mesh can have some areas that can be significantly less xcomplex but another part may need all those details. But the physics engine isn't going to be able to guess that.
2017-07-24 00:17 <smxy> Isn't it all just a SMOP?
2017-07-24 00:17 <Bill_Blight> smxy, then opensim will always be the redheadded stepchild, there are industry standard ways of doing "3d things"  ..  
2017-07-24 00:17 <smxy> Bill, It's already a joke.
2017-07-24 00:18 <Bill_Blight> so we should just strive to keep it that way?
2017-07-24 00:18 <smxy> Please remember that I said I'm playing the part of Devil's Avocate here ...
2017-07-24 00:18 <smxy> Advocate*
2017-07-24 00:19 <Bill_Blight> I know .. and I am answering to that, not mad bro
2017-07-24 00:19 <smxy> Ok :)
2017-07-24 00:19 <OtakuMegane> Do keep in mind part of the reason for the current "standard" is because there isn't really a good alternative. If someone could take the concept of what BulletSim does and make it efficient and flexible to handle virtually all cases it would be a massive boon to everyone.
2017-07-24 00:19 <OtakuMegane> But far easier said than done.
2017-07-24 00:21 <OtakuMegane> It will probably happen eventually but it may be years or even decades before someone manages to crack that nut.
2017-07-24 00:21 <Bill_Blight> I don't see how using the visual representation as physics could ever be a good thingn in a "streamed" environment like Opensim, in a preload condition yes, but where everything has to go over the wire, WHY would you want to fill up the tubes with  uneeded "stuff" ..
2017-07-24 00:24 <Bill_Blight> I think sometimes people forget that this is  not the unreal engine, or the CryEngine, where you preload tons of data to support your "game" everything we see and do has to be fed to us from the server
2017-07-24 00:24 <OtakuMegane> Well unless you're editing the mesh structure it basically is a preload situation. You rez the object, physics engine creates and optimizes a physics model and stores it. Same kind of result as you get from uploading a physics model with mesh.
2017-07-24 00:25 <OtakuMegane> The resulting model just isn't as efficient as one created and uploaded manually can be.
2017-07-24 00:25 <Bill_Blight> Store is not the same thing as Cache, your viewer caches it, the server stores it ... hence why you can clear your local cache and come back and still see the same thing
2017-07-24 00:25 <Bill_Blight> meaning
2017-07-24 00:25 <Bill_Blight> that the server has to work 100x(just pulled that out of thin air
2017-07-24 00:25 <Bill_Blight> as hard
2017-07-24 00:26 <smxy> Ilan was, at one point, saying Kitely couldn't go to 0.9 until they figured out how to convert all the mesh. I don't see why he'd even have to, and said as much. All they have to do is keep everyone on BulletSim, and only offer ubODE as an *optional* PE, with the understanding that it requires properly made mesh. Then get creators to make correct mesh. The uptake of ubODE would be very 
2017-07-24 00:26 <smxy> slow, but eventually the tide would turn. And if it didn't, so what? No one is taking BulletSim away.
2017-07-24 00:26 <Bill_Blight> to send a overly complicated physics mesh to every new user that has never been there before
2017-07-24 00:27 <OtakuMegane> Ok, when a user enters a sim lets say there's a car there. The visual mesh of the car has to be sent to the viewer. As well as a physics model. I have it correct so far?
2017-07-24 00:27 <Bill_Blight> Some people like Illan just don't know how it actually works, so they talk about how they THINK it works
2017-07-24 00:27 <Bill_Blight> yes
2017-07-24 00:27 <Bill_Blight> Yes OtakuMegane that is right
2017-07-24 00:28 <Bill_Blight> well not the actual mesh but the calculations
2017-07-24 00:28 <Bill_Blight> physics is all rendered server side
2017-07-24 00:28 <Bill_Blight> and the physics decisions are then sent to the viewer
2017-07-24 00:29 <OtakuMegane> Now, at present the "correct" way to upload the physics model so that you aren't using a needlessly complex object when working with physics calculations.
2017-07-24 00:30 <Bill_Blight> So essentially, as an example , lets say your visual model has 50k tris, your physics model would have 50ktris as well, in bullet, where it might only need 5k tris because physics don't have to look pretty
2017-07-24 00:31 <Bill_Blight> so your physics engine/viewer is calculating an overly complex physics mesh that is needless, when a simple one would do
2017-07-24 00:32 <OtakuMegane> Yeah. So what if you take the system in Bullet that creates that physics model and modify to do optimizations into a 5k tri version instead of blindly modeling all 50k tris? That's what I'm getting at. Wouldn't such a system be pretty damn awesome?
2017-07-24 00:32 <Bill_Blight> umm that is what Havok does in SL
2017-07-24 00:32 <Bill_Blight> we can't afford it
2017-07-24 00:33 <Bill_Blight> that is what Step 2 does in the viewer upload, but in SL that is handled by Havok
2017-07-24 00:34 <Bill_Blight> We have no middleware that we can afford , that can do that .. and well, unless someone wants to write it .. we are stuck
2017-07-24 00:35 <OtakuMegane> Well that is an issue for Opensim of course. But it is a possible thing that could happen eventually.
2017-07-24 00:35 <Bill_Blight> Well yeah it could , but wouldn't it be easier for people to just make good mesh than wait for some software to appear out of nowhere?
2017-07-24 00:37 <Bill_Blight> See the issue is, because Opensim would let you upload any "crap" mesh, everybody and their brothers counsins sisters roommate, became a "creator", and now the place is filled with stuff that was not done correctly in the first place.
2017-07-24 00:39 <OtakuMegane> I'm well aware of the current problems and limitations for how Opensim can advance right now. It's far from ideal. :P
2017-07-24 00:40 <OtakuMegane> But I tend to also look at what is possible in the future and would want to keep that in mind when trying to address problems. Fixing specific problems of today is great but if that effort could also be put towards fixing a larger problem that eliminates encompasses multiple smaller issues, that's something to consider, even if it means a less than ideal situation for a while.
2017-07-24 00:40 <Bill_Blight> Where I see the biggest issue is, not really how bullet handles physics, but how it handled uploads, sure bullet can do whatever it wants with it once it is uploaded, but WHY in the hell did it let you even upload mesh that had NO physics model, and WHY does it not store that phyiscs model, even the one it creates?? If bullet stored it's "faked" physics model rather than discarding it, we 
2017-07-24 00:40 <Bill_Blight> would not be having this discussion .. The discussion would be "why the hell do I have a 50k tris physics model when I don't need it" ..
2017-07-24 00:41 <Bill_Blight> But it is not an isse, people can still use bullet, no one is twisting their arm to use ubODE ..
2017-07-24 00:42 <Bill_Blight> The only difference is now in .9x a good physics model is required, so new uploads will/should work in both bullet and ubODE ..
2017-07-24 00:43 <Bill_Blight> People are more pissed about not being able to upload crap , than they are about their old stuff, in my personal experience ..
2017-07-24 00:44 <OtakuMegane> Well that's probably the easier of the two problems lol.
2017-07-24 00:45 <Bill_Blight> I mean if you have a flat tire, you fix it, you don't let the air out of the other three ..
2017-07-24 00:46 <OtakuMegane> If they want to create on the more complex level of mesh, they better be willing to accept that it is indeed more complex. Otherwise just keep playing with the standard prims.
2017-07-24 00:46 <Bill_Blight> Which real SL creators have known for years
2017-07-24 00:47 <Bill_Blight> The few creators I know that make for both SL and Opensim, have no issues doing it right ..
2017-07-24 00:47 <Bill_Blight> I have one on my grid, that makes for SL, sells on kitely, but she is now making all her stuff on a .9x region, so she knows it is right ..
2017-07-24 00:49 <OtakuMegane> It's just a new learning curve. This is how it's going to work and there's really no practical alternative in the forseeable future. If they really are that stubborn, they can stay on 0.8.2 or make BulletSim-only content. *shrug*
2017-07-24 00:49 <Bill_Blight> for one I am glad that this may keep opensim in the future from being the "Sandord and Son" junkyard it has been in the past ... LOL
2017-07-24 00:50 <Bill_Blight> But see it is not a "new" learning curve, if you are going to make mesh, proper physics is MESH 101, what most have done, is grab a fee model off a website, re-texture it, and cram it up via the viewer ..
2017-07-24 00:50 <OtakuMegane> It's "new" in the sense that you got away with doing that before but now you can't always.
2017-07-24 00:51 <Bill_Blight> well, yes new to opensim, but it should have NEVER been new to someone who calls themself a "Mesh Creator" .
2017-07-24 00:52 <OtakuMegane> No it shouldn't. But it ended up that way. It's hardly unique to Opensim or mesh. World kinda sucks in that regard. :P
2017-07-24 00:52 <smxy> heh, half the people in the meeting I was at, were saying that Core intriducing incompatible changes like this just moves people closer to forking. I said nothing but - "lotsa luck!" is what I was thinking.
2017-07-24 00:53 <Bill_Blight> see that is the issue, a lot of MESH you find on websites, was made to just be visual mesh, just set pieces that characters were never meant to walk inside or on, and people make houses out of that crap
2017-07-24 00:53 <OtakuMegane> smxy: Opensim needs to continue improving. Just like it can't remain forever chained to SL compatibility. It's not an easy path but the end result will be far better for the hardship.
2017-07-24 00:54 <Bill_Blight> In 3d game modeling, no physics means NO PHYSICS
2017-07-24 00:54 <Bill_Blight> Well that is not entirely accurate
2017-07-24 00:54 <smxy> Ilan made a point of telling me that MS has kept broken shit around for decades, to remain backwards compatible. Thinks ubODE should do the same. If BulletSim were going away, I might agree. But it isn't, so I don't.
2017-07-24 00:55 <Bill_Blight> In game design if you have no physics, expect your phyiscs model to be a cube, sphere or other simple shape, if you make it physical
2017-07-24 00:56 <Bill_Blight> umm the Illan needs to pay the core devs what Microsoft pays their developers
2017-07-24 00:56 <Bill_Blight> Is that Chris Colosi that just popped in ...
2017-07-24 00:56 <colosi> Yes
2017-07-24 00:56 <Bill_Blight> Howdy
2017-07-24 00:56 <colosi> Howdy
2017-07-24 00:56 <colosi> What’s up?
2017-07-24 00:57 <OtakuMegane> Also, how many problems and performance issues does MS software have, often as a result of refusing to make a cut off?
2017-07-24 00:57 <Bill_Blight> we are just lamenting on the mesh issue, well others are lamenting, I am throwing a party ..
2017-07-24 00:57 <Bill_Blight> Exactly OtakuMegane\
2017-07-24 00:57 <colosi> Which mesh issue?
2017-07-24 00:57 <Bill_Blight> The incompatibility between most bulletsim mesh and ubODE mesh
2017-07-24 00:58 <Bill_Blight> Wait let me call it what it is .... the incompatibility between BROKEN bulletsim mesh, and ubODE mesh ...
2017-07-24 00:58 <colosi> Does anyone know if land passes (temporary access to a parcel that can be purchased) was ever implemented in OpenSim?  Found this page which says it hasn’t, but not sure if that is up to date - http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Testing
2017-07-24 00:58 <Bill_Blight> hmmm
2017-07-24 00:59 <OtakuMegane> I never even heard of that function...or I forgot about it.
2017-07-24 00:59 <Bill_Blight> I think it may be tied to the standard viewer module for spending money ..
2017-07-24 00:59 <Bill_Blight> I'll test real quick, see what it does
2017-07-24 01:00 <colosi> In graphics (and physics), there is no dominant “best” system.  Everything has to make tradeoffs for efficiency.  Being able to plug and play those systems (which are pretty core to any engine) is challenging.  Compatibility… yikes.
2017-07-24 01:02 <colosi> Her’s the explanation page from the SL wiki on land passes - http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Land_Windows#Buy_Pass
2017-07-24 01:03 <OtakuMegane> Well it's sort of come down to the real issue getting creators to accept how things are. 0.9.x is not going to roll back or force ubODE to function the same as BulletSim. People just need to accept doing mesh the "proper" way.
2017-07-24 01:04 <Bill_Blight> that is true colosi, but in ANY 3d game engine where you have physics, your models must have a physics model, they are not just made up on the fly, unless they are prim simple shapes
2017-07-24 01:05 <colosi> Correct.  You have a physics bounding box for items which can be created automatically, but which you’ll often modify to be separate from the visual representation.  Stairs, for instance, are often turned into a ramp.
2017-07-24 01:08 <colosi> There is an llAddToLandPassList function in OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Shared.Api.Runtime LSL_Stub.cs — Not sure if this calls a scripting function and if this scripting function has been implemented.
2017-07-24 01:09 <Bill_Blight> Ok as far as I can tell the function is there, set a parcel to sell passes, but my viewer will not give the other avatar the option to buy a pass
2017-07-24 01:09 <Bill_Blight> oops ..
2017-07-24 01:09 <Bill_Blight> hang on, that avatar was not gloebit enabled, so it is greyed out
2017-07-24 01:09 <Bill_Blight> my bad
2017-07-24 01:10 <Bill_Blight> so it looks like it is there
2017-07-24 01:11 <Bill_Blight> gimme a minnute to re-arage avatars and I'll check again
2017-07-24 01:11 <colosi> It might do a preflight check like land sales do before it makes the purchase button available.  If so, I need to figure out what functin it is calling so I can register an XMLRPC handler and figure out what the viewer expects in return.  Then, I’d need to figure out what server side event is triggered by clicking purchase.
2017-07-24 01:11 <Bill_Blight> I get the "Money" ban lines
2017-07-24 01:21 <colosi> from the land access menu, “sell passes to” is grayed out.  Did you have to modify something to be able to set this?
2017-07-24 01:21 <Bill_Blight> No did not have to modify anything you have to clear the anyone can visit first
2017-07-24 01:22 <Bill_Blight> cannot get it to sell me a pass, soo I'd say it is not there
2017-07-24 01:22 <Bill_Blight> somthing is not telling the veiewer to allow me to buy a pass
2017-07-24 01:23 <Bill_Blight> wait
2017-07-24 01:23 <Bill_Blight> umm my avatar that owns the parcel, gets the buy pass option that is weird
2017-07-24 01:23 <smxy> @^%#($%#$$@((!!!!!!!
2017-07-24 01:25 <smxy> I was at my other desk, at the work laptop, typing away, when a giant ^&()(&^$% spider ran out from under the keyboard, jumped up on my hand and started running up my arm. NOPENOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE
2017-07-24 01:25 <OtakuMegane> Spiderses
2017-07-24 01:26 <smxy> It is currently a grease spot on my floor.
2017-07-24 01:26 <OtakuMegane> Aww, poor spider.
2017-07-24 01:26 <Bill_Blight> Ok here is the issue, colosi, when I click the parcel and goto about land it does not actually let me select the land that I don't have access to, as I named the parcel different Iknow that it is only showing me the parcel I am on ..
2017-07-24 01:27 <Bill_Blight> So I am assuming it is the same as when I try to buy pass , it does not realize that I am clicking INSIDE the parcel I have no access to
2017-07-24 01:27 <smxy> OtakuMegane: it it had gone anywhere but up my arm, it would still be alinve.
2017-07-24 01:27 <smxy> alive*
2017-07-24 01:27 <smxy> *shudders*
2017-07-24 01:29 <smxy> UGH. I can still feel it crawling on my skin.
2017-07-24 01:29 <Bill_Blight> colosi, just for giggles going to try a different viewer
2017-07-24 01:30 <colosi> Bill_Blight, if I right click on the parcel, I can get it to offer for me to buy a pass
2017-07-24 01:30 <colosi> clicking purchase doesn’t seem to do anything, so I need to figure out what event that triggers.
2017-07-24 01:31 <Bill_Blight> yeah but not sure it should do anything if you are also the  owner of the parcel
2017-07-24 01:32 <Bill_Blight> but the other issue is from OUTSIDE the parcel with another avatar it will not give the buy pass option, it denys even clicking inside it 
2017-07-24 01:33 <Bill_Blight> from outside the parcel with another avatar clicking inside and going to about land , either gives me the parcel I am on, or blank, does not give me the info for the parcel I just clicked in, because I don't have access , catch 22
2017-07-24 01:35 <Bill_Blight> So I don't think the "Buy Pass" is really telling the viewer anything at all
2017-07-24 01:35 <colosi> I logged in with a different account (non-owner) to test.  For the owner, for me, it didn’t show the money lines, though I also didn’t try to enter.
2017-07-24 01:37 <colosi> So, how do I figure out what function/url is called when I click purchase there?
2017-07-24 01:37 <Bill_Blight> I get this on the console everytime I click the parcel with the non owner
2017-07-24 01:37 <Bill_Blight> 21:37:12 - [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE]: Unable to find parcelID -1
2017-07-24 01:37 <Bill_Blight> 21:37:15 - [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE]: Unable to find parcelID -1
2017-07-24 01:37 <colosi> There are instructions on the SL wiki for the catch 22
2017-07-24 01:38 <Bill_Blight> Yeah was just getting ready to say I got past that catch 22
2017-07-24 01:39 <colosi> Since you cannot get access until paying, the top menu World > About Land... item will not work. You must point at the land parcel and then use the right-click "Context menu > Buy Pass..." or "Context menu > About Land > Buy Pass..." button. This window will then open, and if you select "OK", will deduct the amount from your L$ balance, and allow you access for the set time.
2017-07-24 01:40 <colosi> Gotta step away to put my daughter to bed, but if anyone knows how to trace this so that I can figure out what it is triggering, please provide some guidance.  Thanks.
2017-07-24 01:40 <Bill_Blight> yeah but I was not getting that either, was not giving me the parcel info of the parcel I was clicking IN
2017-07-24 01:40 <Bill_Blight> Ubit might be able to help, if I remember I'll ask him next time I see him
2017-07-24 01:56 <colosi> Thanks
2017-07-24 02:04 <smxy> One other thing I said at the meeting, which I think was unpopular, was that people who weren't contributing to OpenSim development, really didn't have a leg to stand on, when complaining about the direction of development of software they get for free. Ilan then pointed out that in a free society, people can complain about anything, but it's up to those doing the development whether they 
2017-07-24 02:04 <smxy> listen to it or not, of course.
2017-07-24 02:06 <Plugh> colosi: llAddToLandPassList() is implemented in OpenSim. I haven't personally tested it to make sure it actually works.
2017-07-24 02:07 <smxy> I asked him what he's contributed lately, as he used to. He said he hasn't contributed anything since the Avination merge. I got the impression he didn't approve of how that was done. But he said that many of their changes tie in to their proprietary back end, and they'd have to spend a lot of time making sure their contributions would work with Core. I got the sense we wouldn't be seeing 
2017-07-24 02:07 <smxy> anything from him any time soon.
2017-07-24 02:07 <colosi> Thanks Plugh.  I’m not sure that that is what is being called by the viewer though when someone selects to buy a pass.  My guess is that that needs to be called after the purchase event succeeds.
2017-07-24 02:08 <Plugh> I'd have to do some checks. I would think it is trying to call either the currency.php or landtool.php function located under the Helpers URL.
2017-07-24 02:11 <Plugh> There is also the money.php file which gets a users balance.
2017-07-24 02:15 <Bill_Blight> I know Ubit asked Illan for some of their changes for a fix he made, and Ubit was told, "Ours is propritary" ...  REALLY .. Ok anybody , including me, that is making money off of a project of FREE softare, needs to loose the egos ..
2017-07-24 02:16 <Bill_Blight> This whole attitude of, "I'm using your free work to make an income, so you need to keep my money coming in for free" bullshit needs to stop ..
2017-07-24 02:17 <Bill_Blight> And that same thing goes for creators that complain about loosing money due to a "mesh issue"
2017-07-24 02:18 <Bill_Blight> Opensim is under no obligation to provide commercial level support for anybodies commercial venture 
2017-07-24 02:34 <colosi> Plugh, there is a client event called ParcelBuyPass.  I’m going to test to see if this is being called.  If it is what is triggered by this, then I can register for it.  The next step would be getting the land info (price and time).  If i can get that, then I can charge the user and call llAddToLandPassList() and see if that does what it is supposed to.
2017-07-24 02:35 <Plugh> ok. The other lsl function appears to add someone to the parcel access list for a given period of time.
2017-07-24 02:37 <colosi> That is what this system should do.  You are buying a temporary pass.  I’ll give it a shot.
2017-07-24 02:37 <Plugh> ok
2017-07-24 03:04 <smxy> Time for bed.
2017-07-24 03:40 <colosi> hmm, Plugh, that llAddToLandPassList() only takes an agent and time as arguments.  Not sure how to supply it with the specific local parcle id on the region.  Guess granting access is not as clear as I thought.
2017-07-24 03:42 <Plugh> It determines the parcel based on the location of the object containing the script.
2017-07-24 03:42 <Bill_Blight> Colosi, I think that takes the parcel is on, so if it was set at the border of a parcel with a linked prim haning across
2017-07-24 03:42 <Bill_Blight> ^^ What Plugh said
2017-07-24 03:42 <Bill_Blight> LOL
2017-07-24 03:42 <Plugh> :)
2017-07-24 03:43 <colosi> Yes.  I’m trying to grant this access from a module on the core though, not from a scripted object.
2017-07-24 03:44 <Plugh> The owner of the script also needs the permissions to edit the parcel properties.
2017-07-24 03:49 <colosi> Ideally, I’ll do this without using scripts.  Initially, I was thinking that that function was a C# function that called the LSL script, which seemed like an odd implementation, but was acceptable.  I don’t like the idea of having to have people create a scripted object to make built in gui functionality work.  Where can I see what this script call actually does?  Maybe I can mimic it.
2017-07-24 03:50 <Plugh> It is in the LSL_Api.cs file in the Open Simulator source code.
2017-07-24 03:52 <Plugh> bbl
2017-07-24 05:27 <Bill_Blight> This land pass stuff should be in the core , should not need a script to do it ... Not sure if it is though ... Maybe if I get bored I'll search it
2017-07-24 06:05 <Bill_Blight> considering I found this comment in the LandManagementModule, I'm thinking land passes are not fully setup ... (WTH is a pass list? Mentioned in ParcelFlags)
2017-07-24 07:03 <Ubit> physics engines don't store meshs.. at most cache thei internal ones
2017-07-24 07:03 <Ubit> they read the asset mesh, to convert to those internal meshs
2017-07-24 07:05 <Ubit> ( in ubOde the larger ones on folder MeshCache )
2017-07-24 07:14 <Ubit> on meshs bullet needs to change
2017-07-24 07:14 <Ubit> because it does not do physics shape type correctly
2017-07-24 07:16 <Ubit> and at least optionally it should also not use visual mesh .. ie should be as ubode
2017-07-24 07:16 <Ubit> at least with the edit tools we have
2017-07-24 07:17 <Ubit> and it must also honour the builder decision of not having high resolution physics collisions on that mesh
2017-07-24 07:18 <Ubit> also physics and visual meshs have totally diferent  criteria...
2017-07-24 07:19 <Ubit> not even noobs should be allowed to upload without knowing that :p
2017-07-24 07:20 <Ubit> ohh i remember ... at SL  we used to need a special permission to be able to upload meshs
2017-07-24 07:20 <Ubit> we needed to do a tutorial  with the basics
2017-07-24 07:21 <Ubit> do you remember ?
2017-07-24 07:21 <Bill_Blight> Yeah I remember that
2017-07-24 07:22 <Ubit> bs meshs are not that easy...
2017-07-24 07:22 <Ubit> well i still fail to use the normal prims :p
2017-07-24 07:22 <Ubit> never can make them have the shape i want :)
2017-07-24 07:25 <Bill_Blight> Personally, I am against anything in opensim that let's a user do something without learning what they are doing first
2017-07-24 07:26 <Bill_Blight> :P
2017-07-24 09:40 <Ubit> well lets split the "bullet" mesh issues in 2 components...
2017-07-24 09:40 <Ubit> bullet itselft and Meshmerizer...
2017-07-24 09:40 <Ubit> same meshmerizer is used also by old ode.
2017-07-24 09:41 <Ubit> use or not of the visual part of meshs for physics is on meshmerizer ( counter part ubMeshmerizer )
2017-07-24 09:44 <Ubit> and what it does is simple.. if there is not block for physics mesh it looks for Visual  and uses that
2017-07-24 09:44 <Ubit> it also looks for a convex decomposition and BoundindVerts convex hull
2017-07-24 09:44 <Ubit> and makes all 3 avaiable to bullet ( or old ode)
2017-07-24 09:46 <Ubit> ..bullet ignores the BoundindVerts convex hull provided by viewers.. makes its own  eventually..
2017-07-24 09:47 <Ubit> and really does not suport physics shape type
2017-07-24 09:47 <Ubit> does odd things i even don't understand :p
2017-07-24 09:47 <Ubit> like changing the physics shape when we set prims to physical etc..
2017-07-24 09:48 <Ubit> well i don't understand what it does.. jsut that needs fixing, bc its simple not usable as it is
2017-07-24 09:49 <Ubit> fixing that may still allow the use of the visual part of mesh.. but that is wrong.. can be at most a compatibility option
2017-07-24 09:51 <Ubit> ubOde never did that and so never will
2017-07-24 09:53 <Ubit> and this will be like this until we do have another tool to make meshs cooking
2017-07-24 09:54 <Ubit> ie a tool that takes collada or fbx input, and does all the processing needed.. even more that what current viwers do
2017-07-24 09:54 <Ubit> and all other engines like unreal,  unity etc do
2017-07-24 09:55 <Ubit> uploaded meshs are not generic meshs,, are pre cooked ones... 
2017-07-24 09:56 <jakdaniels> I don't see anything wrong in Bullet falling back to using a visual lod if the 'physics_mesh' header is missing from the uploaded mesh. As long as setting the prim physics type to 'None' in the viewer still works as expected and makes the mesh have no physics....
2017-07-24 09:57 <Ubit> not my problem if you need glasses :p
2017-07-24 09:59 <Ubit> for example you know our only inworld editing tools are LL like tpvs ?
2017-07-24 09:59 <Ubit> and they expect all those meshs NOT have high res physics ( PRIM type )
2017-07-24 10:02 <Ubit> so even if bullet did suport that correctly, just that makes inworld work lets says  confusing...
2017-07-24 10:02 <jakdaniels> Question.... (possibly a dumb one :) Because SL uses Havok viewer side, I assume the server sends visual lod(s) and a physics mesh to the viewer? Do we do that also in Opensim? Would it save tons of bandwidth not to sent physics?
2017-07-24 10:03 <Ubit> viwers ask for parts of the mesh asset as needed ( same on textures )
2017-07-24 10:03 <jakdaniels> so the physics only gets sent to the viewer if you use one of the info displays that shows the physics mesh?
2017-07-24 10:03 <Ubit> they have a header with the inof and lowest LOD
2017-07-24 10:04 <Ubit> yeap
2017-07-24 10:04 <jakdaniels> in a tpv without havok of course
2017-07-24 10:04 <Ubit> but that same header, is used by viewer to display options relative to the mesh
2017-07-24 10:04 <Ubit> like the PRIM NONE and CONVEX
2017-07-24 10:05 <Ubit> viwer wil only try to get the physics meshs if you select to display them on a option
2017-07-24 10:05 <Ubit> that only seems to work on FS
2017-07-24 10:06 <jakdaniels> ok I often wondered if and when physics mesh might be sent to the viewer as normally in opensim it shouldn't ever need to be
2017-07-24 10:06 <Ubit> err lowest LOD with header above was for textures
2017-07-24 10:07 <Ubit> hmm never looked on meshs.. possible also
2017-07-24 10:07 <Ubit> actually it may ask just for size.. like 4K
2017-07-24 10:08 <Ubit> if the lowest lod fits it gets it.. if not it askes later
2017-07-24 10:08 <Ubit> [11:07] <Ubit> actually it may ask just for size.. like 4K <-- i mean first 4K of the asset
2017-07-24 10:08 <Ubit> see ?
2017-07-24 10:10 <Ubit> now using visual meshs on physics ( even setting phsyics tab to use it) is just wrong
2017-07-24 10:10 <Ubit> only acceptable to test a prototype
2017-07-24 10:10 <Ubit> bc visual does need a lot more detail than physics
2017-07-24 10:11 <jakdaniels> the mesh data will have an offset and size for each lod and physics mesh(es). They may all just point to one mesh or each may be different. So the viewer just asks for a block of the data that it needs?
2017-07-24 10:11 <Ubit> selling meshs like that.. yeack..
2017-07-24 10:11 <Ubit> yeap
2017-07-24 10:11 <Ubit> the asset is made if diferent blocks
2017-07-24 10:11 <Ubit> textures and meshs
2017-07-24 10:12 <Ubit> viewers never ask for the asset
2017-07-24 10:12 <Ubit> ask for bin data with a start and number of bytes
2017-07-24 10:12 <jakdaniels> ok understood...
2017-07-24 10:12 <Ubit> LL where clever..
2017-07-24 10:12 <jakdaniels> same with the physics engine too?
2017-07-24 10:13 <Ubit> phsyics is another story
2017-07-24 10:13 <Ubit> the asset is all there in mem 
2017-07-24 10:13 <jakdaniels> but again just uses the offest and size for the physics_mesh bin data and uses that?
2017-07-24 10:13 <Ubit> Meshmerizer decodes all blocks..
2017-07-24 10:13 <jakdaniels> or physics_convex block
2017-07-24 10:14 <Ubit> ubMeshmerizer decodes the ones needed for the object
2017-07-24 10:14 <Ubit> but thats details
2017-07-24 10:14 <Ubit> i mean the one..
2017-07-24 10:14 <Ubit> of course it uses that.. how wold it find the block without it ? :p
2017-07-24 10:15 <Ubit> ( meshs for avatars have other blocks )
2017-07-24 10:15 <Ubit> adicional 
2017-07-24 10:17 <jakdaniels> so, is the only major problem with bullet (from a creator's point of view) that if the mesh has no 'physics_mesh' or 'physics_convex' header then it uses the 'high_lod' offset and size to make a (not very efficient) physics mesh?
2017-07-24 10:17 <Ubit> no
2017-07-24 10:17 <Ubit> its on top of that total incoerence with the editor
2017-07-24 10:18 <Ubit> the mesh behaves as PRIM, with no PRIM option
2017-07-24 10:18 <Ubit> if you test changing to convex or none you can't make it back to do as PRIM ( assuming bullet actually did that )
2017-07-24 10:18 <Ubit> etc
2017-07-24 10:19 <jakdaniels> and that's because the viewer doesn't see the physics_mesh header also?
2017-07-24 10:19 <Ubit> the header was uploaded without physics_mesh section
2017-07-24 10:19 <jakdaniels> hmmm I have a broken mesh here, it6 has none, convex and prim setting on it. all seem to work
2017-07-24 10:20 <Ubit> if viewer shows prim then it is broken some other way.. not this
2017-07-24 10:20 <Ubit> the heather does have prim_mesh, or the prim_convex  section does have HullsList
2017-07-24 10:21 <jakdaniels> can the physics_mesh header be faked by opensim on broken meshes (I know I know we want to move on from these, but if there is a way to make broken meshes still work ok, but ban users from ever uploading anymore bad mesh)?
2017-07-24 10:21 <Ubit> we don't edit assets
2017-07-24 10:21 <Ubit> and on this it whould be wrong for another reason you are forgetting
2017-07-24 10:22 <Ubit> to upload without that is a creator option
2017-07-24 10:22 <Ubit> the creator does not want you to use PRIM on that mesh
2017-07-24 10:22 <jakdaniels> yes, but a mesh with no physics is the same as a mesh with physics_mesh offset size pointing to the high_lod, but in the viewer the prim physics set to none?
2017-07-24 10:22 <Ubit> ( mb just because he knows its bad and does not want to accused of killing regions )
2017-07-24 10:23 <Ubit> yes it is... plus the creator choice to be like that
2017-07-24 10:23 <jakdaniels> ...in terms of the end result and what happens inworld
2017-07-24 10:23 <Ubit> yes end result will be ( as bad )
2017-07-24 10:26 <Ubit> the fact it is also a creator choice is a reason why there can not be a automatic conversion
2017-07-24 10:27 <Ubit> no point on adding physics on a mesh for avatars
2017-07-24 10:27 <Ubit> etc
2017-07-24 10:27 <jakdaniels> So..... a correct mesh will always have a physics_mesh and a physics_convex section, but if there is no physics mesh they will just be set to physicsStubBytes...
2017-07-24 10:27 <Ubit> it is a option
2017-07-24 10:27 <Ubit> it is a vlaid option to not have PRIM
2017-07-24 10:27 <Ubit> avatars...
2017-07-24 10:27 <Ubit> or  a car for example
2017-07-24 10:28 <Ubit> a car mesh is better to be set as type none
2017-07-24 10:28 <jakdaniels> so these headers may legally missing from an uploaded mesh?
2017-07-24 10:28 <Ubit> with a few more prims to add collisions
2017-07-24 10:28 <Ubit> YES
2017-07-24 10:28 <Ubit> that is way i can't make a tool to jsut change the meshs
2017-07-24 10:29 <Ubit> some are good as they are
2017-07-24 10:29 <Ubit> like i said   you should never try to make a car using a physics mesh
2017-07-24 10:30 <Ubit> etc
2017-07-24 10:30 <Ubit> understand ?
2017-07-24 10:31 <jakdaniels> yes I do understand the problem.... just exploring it in detail to see if there is any solution. I know you have thought hard about it too
2017-07-24 10:31 <Ubit> i still did not found one
2017-07-24 10:31 <Ubit> most the complains are houses it seems
2017-07-24 10:31 <Ubit> and really using visual mesh for physics on a house is so so damm worng
2017-07-24 10:32 <jakdaniels> for all those people who made bad buildings using broken mesh and have no way to reupload mesh....
2017-07-24 10:32 <Ubit> man.. better just lose them really
2017-07-24 10:32 <Ubit> of if the house is not that complex
2017-07-24 10:32 <Ubit> add boxes
2017-07-24 10:32 <Ubit> like we should on cars etc
2017-07-24 10:33 <Ubit> and even on a proper done mesh
2017-07-24 10:33 <Ubit> makind a object only mesh is also wrong
2017-07-24 10:33 <jakdaniels> drop a script into the mesh which calls an os function.... UUID newMeshAsset=osFixBadMeshPhysics(UUID oldMeshAsset). This function creates a new asset from the old but with a physics_mesh header set to the high_lod offset and size :)
2017-07-24 10:33 <Ubit> BOX and spheres ( untortured) are magic things :p
2017-07-24 10:34 <Ubit> yeah 
2017-07-24 10:34 <Ubit> thing is that ppl that own those houses have no rights also
2017-07-24 10:34 <jakdaniels> they can then replace the house/land whatever it is with the new UUID asset ;)
2017-07-24 10:34 <Ubit> yeah considered that also
2017-07-24 10:35 <Ubit> actuall not changing the asset.. thats nasty
2017-07-24 10:35 <jakdaniels> it would have to be a new asset...
2017-07-24 10:35 <Ubit> yeap so. duplicating already large assets on bds
2017-07-24 10:35 <Bill_Blight> like I was saying earlier, and correct me if I am wrong ...   If  you use visual physics for say a 25k tris house, you end up with a 25k tris, physics model, when maybe a 2k model would work ..
2017-07-24 10:35 <Ubit> and one per object
2017-07-24 10:36 <Ubit> yeap bill
2017-07-24 10:36 <jakdaniels> yes bill it is inefficient.... but it does work
2017-07-24 10:36 <Ubit> or endup with a frozen region :p
2017-07-24 10:36 <Bill_Blight> You could use a jackhammer to to a root canal, but you don't really want to ..
2017-07-24 10:36 <jakdaniels> the viewer lets users upload physics from high lod or file even though too
2017-07-24 10:37 <Ubit> yes jak
2017-07-24 10:37 <jakdaniels> so you can't ever stop people doing that...
2017-07-24 10:37 <Bill_Blight> no But that is by concious choice
2017-07-24 10:37 <Ubit> but than LL charges you the upload by the mesh size
2017-07-24 10:37 <Bill_Blight> mot forced
2017-07-24 10:37 <Ubit> see the dif jak ?
2017-07-24 10:37 <Ubit> at SL you PAY for your mistakes
2017-07-24 10:37 <Ubit> and even paying then there is LI
2017-07-24 10:38 <Ubit> you may endup not having parcel area to rez it
2017-07-24 10:38 <Ubit> see the diference?
2017-07-24 10:38 <Ubit> LL can be cinical on this
2017-07-24 10:39 <jakdaniels> I know it's all wrong wrong wrong lol, but I'm just still exploring ideas how opensim might be able to help poor broken content users use their content on ubODE as well as bulletsim. I know Ubit will hate this lol
2017-07-24 10:40 <Bill_Blight> well if they MADE the mesh even if they don't have the original model anymore they can export it back to dae, and fix it, for users not so simple
2017-07-24 10:40 <Ubit> uff making ubOde do that is 4 lines of code or less
2017-07-24 10:40 <Ubit> but NO
2017-07-24 10:40 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-24 10:40 <Ubit> we need to kill those meshs
2017-07-24 10:41 <Ubit> btw do you have a ideia on how to actuall do prof meshs ?
2017-07-24 10:41 <jakdaniels> I'm not saying do it like bullet does Ubit, but if there is a way of selectively (by a user script or something) inserting the physics_mesh header into a mesh to make the physics high lod....
2017-07-24 10:41 <Ubit> aine did discribe how she does...
2017-07-24 10:41 <Ubit> form memory
2017-07-24 10:42 <Ubit> she makes a model with around 4k vertices
2017-07-24 10:42 <Ubit> ( statues )
2017-07-24 10:42 <Ubit> that will be the high LOD
2017-07-24 10:42 <Ubit> then she adds detail to it on a copy
2017-07-24 10:42 <Ubit> up to 64k vertices or more...
2017-07-24 10:43 <Bill_Blight> In simple terms you make your visual mesh, then you take that same model, remove the detail, merge near vertices, remove doubles, simplify the shape and then add that as the physics model to the original ..  in a nutshell
2017-07-24 10:43 <Ubit> then she uses tools to create materials maps
2017-07-24 10:43 <Ubit> from the 64k vertices down to the 4k model
2017-07-24 10:44 <Ubit> specular map and normal map i guess
2017-07-24 10:44 <Ubit> with the material the 4k model will look as the 64k model
2017-07-24 10:44 <Bill_Blight> Yes aine really is good at that .. You can take a 50k model, and get it down to 10% of that with no apparanet loss of detail , if you bake all your maps in
2017-07-24 10:44 <Ubit> thats what materials are for
2017-07-24 10:45 <Ubit> then guess she uploads and fixes the LODs
2017-07-24 10:45 <Ubit> if the viewers ones are not good she makes hers
2017-07-24 10:45 <Ubit> guess she stops here bc she makes statues
2017-07-24 10:46 <Ubit> next step would be physics mesh, if for a house
2017-07-24 10:46 <Bill_Blight> NOTE TO SELF: Don't log into the grid while a complete mysql dump is running .... 
2017-07-24 10:46 <Ubit> a wall that has closed windows.. all the windoes verices can be remove
2017-07-24 10:46 <Ubit> the house can be just 2 tris if it is square
2017-07-24 10:47 <Ubit> all round shapes can be simplified
2017-07-24 10:47 <Ubit> bc to look good they need a lot of vertices
2017-07-24 10:47 <Ubit> steps can be deleted and replaced by a simple 2 tris ramp
2017-07-24 10:48 <Ubit> etc etc
2017-07-24 10:48 <Ubit> even all parts of walls etc can be deleted
2017-07-24 10:48 <Bill_Blight> if your mesh program supports solids, you can trim quite a bit off as well
2017-07-24 10:48 <Ubit> and later BOXES add in world
2017-07-24 10:48 <Ubit> meshs are HARD
2017-07-24 10:48 <Bill_Blight> yes
2017-07-24 10:48 <Ubit> take time to learn..
2017-07-24 10:49 <Ubit> and time to do right
2017-07-24 10:49 <Bill_Blight> see that is why SL mesh tutorials are not things you can learn in 10 minutes
2017-07-24 10:49 <Ubit> and a house should be splited in parts
2017-07-24 10:50 <Ubit> so broadband collision phase can take see non colliding parts faster
2017-07-24 10:50 <Bill_Blight> but that is what happend to us in opensim, the viewer and bullet would let you cram whatever woudl upload into world, and everybody and their brothers, cousins, sisters, roommate became "creators" ..
2017-07-24 10:51 <Ubit> jak waht is better ? a  box with a large hollow, or 4 boxes makins the same shape, for physics ?
2017-07-24 10:51 <Ubit> i mean a large object say 10m side
2017-07-24 10:51 <Bill_Blight> Most serious creators , understand and  have no issues ... I was talking earlier, I have a lady on my grid that builds for SL, sells on Kitely in opesim, and she moved to my grid so she could build right on .9x , she has no issues doing it correctly
2017-07-24 10:51 <jakdaniels> that's kind of the point though in some respects.... SL... opensim, lets ordinary people create themselves worlds, the barriers to world creation were much lower than traditional game content authors :)
2017-07-24 10:52 <Bill_Blight> lower should not mean lower quality
2017-07-24 10:52 <Ubit> sure
2017-07-24 10:52 <Ubit> but a prims as  at most some 2k to 3k vertices
2017-07-24 10:52 <Ubit> not 100k  as i seen
2017-07-24 10:53 <Bill_Blight> See that is where I have an issue, jakdaniels, not disagreeing with you, but as long as WE , the opensim community are willing to accept lower standards , that is all we will ever be ..
2017-07-24 10:53 <Ubit> seen at g+ a funny thing
2017-07-24 10:54 <Ubit> someone tried to upload a mesh.. viewer refused bc it had more than 64kvertices or tris
2017-07-24 10:54 <Bill_Blight> you should watch this part of thish video jakdaniels, https://youtu.be/2-q8ZWOeQQY?t=1h46m56s
2017-07-24 10:54 <Ubit> so he went via HG get a copy he did uploaded somehow in past
2017-07-24 10:54 <Ubit> and region crashed
2017-07-24 10:54 <Ubit> and he was very upset
2017-07-24 10:55 <Ubit> bc a mesh a viewer said it was bad did crash his region
2017-07-24 10:55 <Ubit> hmm really ?
2017-07-24 10:55 <Bill_Blight> that right there is one of them "ya can't fix stupid" moments ...
2017-07-24 10:56 <Ubit> and you did not answer my question jak about what is better for physics
2017-07-24 10:57 <Ubit> ( related to ppl uploading houses as a single prim )
2017-07-24 10:57 <jakdaniels> sorry Ubit, I'm on a support call to someone in rl brb
2017-07-24 10:57 <Ubit> ok
2017-07-24 11:20 <jakdaniels> bleh.... I hate windows 10.... software that's worked fine for years on windows 7 and 8 acting wierd on win 10 and IE11....
2017-07-24 11:21 <jakdaniels> in answer to your question Ubit I don't really know, at a guess the mesh box with a hollow would have less triangles than 4 boxes stacked against each other?
2017-07-24 11:26 <Ubit> the others don't even have triangles
2017-07-24 11:26 <Ubit> boxes are done not using meshs on physics ( most engines)
2017-07-24 11:27 <Ubit> that is a good reason why the 4 is better.. the hollow one is a mesh 
2017-07-24 11:27 <Ubit> but there is a another
2017-07-24 11:28 <Ubit> when you are inside the hollow, first fast collidiong phase sees you colliding the the prim
2017-07-24 11:28 <Ubit> and so needs to go check tris in detail
2017-07-24 11:28 <Ubit> while with 4 it will most the time see you are not colliding with any
2017-07-24 11:29 <Ubit> and at most will see 2 ( on the 10m case )
2017-07-24 11:29 <Ubit> well this is going deep on details
2017-07-24 11:30 <Ubit> just to say how a simple prim mesh house is also a bad ideia
2017-07-24 11:31 <jakdaniels> yes.... too deep for me lol.... So really you are saying, in order to design the best mesh, you need to understand the physics engine very well ;)
2017-07-24 11:31 <Ubit> need to have some basic ideas yes
2017-07-24 11:31 <Bill_Blight> Actually these are MESH 101 principles for just about any 3d game engine on the market, so yes, but not specific to opensim ..
2017-07-24 11:32 <Ubit> bc understand that im not also a mesh expert :p
2017-07-24 11:32 <Ubit> well just do know how ode does the collisions :p
2017-07-24 11:32 <Ubit> well and a bit of bullet.. and physx
2017-07-24 11:33 <Ubit> amasing how cpus do all that crap so fast lol
2017-07-24 11:34 <Bill_Blight> Just as an example, most game engines(none but bullet that I know of) if you upload a mesh without a physics mesh , it is not going to fake it, it is going to do one of two things, it is either going to give it NO physics assuming that you just want to use it for scenery, or it is going to give it a simple geometric shape, and those vary depending on the engine .
2017-07-24 11:34 <jakdaniels> did I read somewhere that bullet treats planes as double sided but in ode they are single sided so you would need two planes or a box?
2017-07-24 11:34 <Ubit> that is another issue
2017-07-24 11:34 <Bill_Blight> You shouls aways have double sides, don't get Ubit started ... LOL
2017-07-24 11:34 <Ubit> and its triangles
2017-07-24 11:35 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-24 11:36 <Ubit> ubOde does as viewers..  if you look from inside a mesh out, you don't see it
2017-07-24 11:36 <Bill_Blight> Mostly when people run into that missing side/face, it is because they grabbed that model off some website, and the model was never intended to be physical, was just set dressing .. And then someone decides to upload it and turn it into a house that you walk into/on
2017-07-24 11:37 <Ubit> i made avatar capsules still collde on some of those cases
2017-07-24 11:37 <Ubit> at least with the mesh example someone gave me
2017-07-24 11:38 <Ubit> but its that is a TRUE diference btw ODE and bullet
2017-07-24 11:38 <Ubit> old ode does the same.. since is the lib who does that
2017-07-24 11:45 <Bill_Blight> I think I am going to try and sleep again, this whole sleep thing is a major fail for me ..
2017-07-24 12:12 <Ubit> movlw 0x80
2017-07-24 12:12 <Ubit> errr here does not work
2017-07-24 12:12 <Ubit> hmm and actually .100 is a bit better
2017-07-24 12:17 <Ubit> ok made it 50 :p
2017-07-24 12:22 <Bill_Blight> what are you talking about?  and yes I failed at going to sleep ..
2017-07-24 12:22 <Ubit> nothing really :)
2017-07-24 12:22 <Bill_Blight> so you are talking to yourself in IRC, you have issues buddy ... LOL :P
2017-07-24 12:23 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-24 12:25 <Ubit> oops bug
2017-07-24 12:25 <Ubit> not opensim
2017-07-24 12:45 <osmantis> Bug #8212:04 Exception in SQLiteXinventoryData.cs at IncrementFolderVersion method 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8212 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2017-07-24 12:45 <Ubit> what that again ?
2017-07-24 12:46 <Ubit> ahh resolu
2017-07-24 12:46 <Ubit> why does mantis speek french ?
2017-07-24 12:59 <nebadon> probably because initial reporter has their language set to french
2017-07-24 12:59 <nebadon> djphil?
2017-07-24 12:59 <Ubit> another.. but guess so
2017-07-24 13:00 <Ubit> and ohh yes dj is french..  odd he does seem a nice guy
2017-07-24 13:00 <Ubit> ;)
2017-07-24 13:01 <Ubit> bahh he his not looking not funny
2017-07-24 17:42 <colosi> Bill_Blight & Plugh, I got an alpha of this working last night.  I basically copied the code in the script function and modified it a bit.  Ideally, eventually, this will be a function added to the core, but I’ll do it from my module for now.  Thanks for your help.
2017-07-24 17:43 <colosi> Couple of questions for anyone who knows the land data system well.
2017-07-24 17:43 <colosi> Implementing purchasing of land passes (time limited access).  It’s unclear to me how to check to make sure that the parcel is set to allow purchasing of passes.
2017-07-24 17:44 <colosi> PassHours provides the time limit.  Zero means no expiration.
2017-07-24 17:46 <colosi> PassPrice provides the price for a pass of that length.  Perhaps a zero in the price means it’s not enabled by the parcel owner.  I may get lucky and find a -1 in these when it is not enabled, but if anyone knows the expected behavior or where the access permissions define this, please let me know.
2017-07-24 19:24 <Ubit> do you really really want that ?
2017-07-24 19:39 <Ubit> seems a lot of work for a rare needed feature
2017-07-24 19:39 <Ubit> and still another timer.. grrr
2017-07-24 21:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #5749 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-24 21:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5749: SUCCESS in 8 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5749/
2017-07-24 21:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: only hide parcel info from banned avatars
2017-07-24 21:40 <colosi> Found my boolean.  LandData.Flags UsePassList
2017-07-24 21:49 <Bill_Blight> colosi I think this last change that Ubit made is a step in the right direction, updating  now going to test to see if the viewer behaves correctly, regardless of what it does on the backend
2017-07-24 21:51 <colosi> Yeah Bill.  I was testing on 0.8.2, which is why we were seeing different things.
2017-07-24 21:52 <Bill_Blight> well, the buy pass option in the viewer now pops up , and on the about land box
2017-07-24 22:00 <Ubit> working on the lludp handler
2017-07-24 22:00 <Ubit> well on how to robb ppls money :p
2017-07-24 22:01 <Bill_Blight> I like the way you think Ubit
2017-07-24 22:01 <Bill_Blight> LOL
2017-07-24 22:12 -!- IgorVorotiloff(~GuyCharle@unaffiliated/igorvorotiloff) has left #opensim-dev
2017-07-24 22:38 <osmantis> Bug #8213:04 [SCRIPT INSTANCE] drops exception for http_response ("two instances of IObjectReference that have a mutual dependency") 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8213 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-07-24 22:39 <osmantis> Bug #8213:04 [SCRIPT INSTANCE] drops exception for http_response ("two instances of IObjectReference that have a mutual dependency") 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8213 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-07-25 00:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #5750 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-25 00:33 <Ubit> no group pass!
2017-07-25 00:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5750: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5750/
2017-07-25 00:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add first code to process parcel buy pass. Still testing, and still no kick on expire ( does expire on entry )
2017-07-25 01:08 <Ubit> actually already expires
2017-07-25 01:15 <Ubit> coff coff
2017-07-25 01:16 <Ubit> money is suposed to go to land owner not puff  :)
2017-07-25 01:17 <Bill_Blight> Works with the gloebit module though
2017-07-25 01:17 <Bill_Blight> :P
2017-07-25 01:17 <Ubit> guess that module bypasses this new code
2017-07-25 01:17 <Bill_Blight> well I think it may watch for the transaction, but that would be a colosi question
2017-07-25 01:18 <Bill_Blight> but the transaction all looks correct on my gloebit transactions
2017-07-25 01:18 <Ubit> now .. hmm not sure whe have methods to pay a group
2017-07-25 01:18 <Ubit> not sure
2017-07-25 01:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #5751 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-25 01:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5751: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5751/
2017-07-25 01:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Ooops.. pay to land owner, not grid. group owned parcel not suported for now. (the pass already expired with kick action)
2017-07-25 02:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #5752 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-25 02:14 <Ubit> hmm regions that are down do not accept buy pass :p
2017-07-25 02:15 <Bill_Blight> WEll hell Ubit, you need to fix that, we can't have down regions not able to sell passes ...  :P
2017-07-25 02:17 <Ubit> err the pass line shows L$ it seems
2017-07-25 02:17 <Ubit> hmm hard to see
2017-07-25 02:17 <Bill_Blight> yeah
2017-07-25 02:17 <Bill_Blight> I think that is an asset included in the viewers, but not sure
2017-07-25 02:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5752: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5752/
2017-07-25 02:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: allow pass recharge with no loss of current time up to 1/4 of parcel pass time.
2017-07-25 02:18 <Ubit> hmm no sell pass to group..
2017-07-25 02:19 <Ubit> where should the damm flag be hmm
2017-07-25 02:20 <Ubit> you have that goe source?
2017-07-25 02:22 <Ubit> ohh wait
2017-07-25 02:22 <Ubit> money transfer uses a totaly dif api
2017-07-25 02:22 <Ubit> what hell
2017-07-25 02:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #5753 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-25 02:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5753: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5753/
2017-07-25 02:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix lsl group role powers to change parcel passes
2017-07-25 02:57 <colosi> Have a few minutes, but will then have to step away.  Sorry guys.  Someone hit my car yesterday and dealing with insurance.
2017-07-25 02:57 <Ubit> YACK
2017-07-25 02:57 <Ubit> ohh ?
2017-07-25 02:59 <colosi> Gloebit Money Module may already process it because I think Ubit ran it through the ApplyCharge function with a new transaction type and we may have set that up to handle a transaction type we didn’t know about in a default way.  I’d have to check the module code.
2017-07-25 02:59 <Ubit> i changed that
2017-07-25 02:59 <Ubit> money needs to go to land owner
2017-07-25 02:59 <Ubit> for some reason not working on bills
2017-07-25 02:59 <colosi> We should also be able to make this somewhat work in older versions of OpenSim as we had already written the code for that before Ubit started.  It looked like everything there functioned except for time increments under 1 hour and auto-booting on expiration.
2017-07-25 02:59 <Ubit> mm.MoveMoney(remote_client.AgentId, ldata.OwnerID, cost, String.Format("Parcel '{0}' pass sell",ldata.Name));
2017-07-25 03:00 <Ubit> shouldn't thise work ?
2017-07-25 03:00 <Ubit> this
2017-07-25 03:00 <Ubit> hmmm possible is new 
2017-07-25 03:00 <colosi> I’ll have to look at my notes.  I recall that there was a money module function that was not used anywhere.
2017-07-25 03:00 <Ubit> how do you send money from one avatar to other?
2017-07-25 03:01 <Ubit> or avatar to a group ?
2017-07-25 03:01 <colosi> So, I don’t think that anyone has implemented group payments.  I couldn’t get clear answers on how people expected them to work, so let’s ignore groups for the moment.
2017-07-25 03:01 <Ubit> ok i assumed that and refuse on group owned land
2017-07-25 03:01 <Ubit> refused
2017-07-25 03:02 <colosi> There is an OnMoneyTransfered event
2017-07-25 03:02 <colosi> PayUser goes through that
2017-07-25 03:02 <Ubit> yeackk
2017-07-25 03:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #5754 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-25 03:06 <colosi> MoveMoney is not yet used for anything.  We have not implemented any code there yet as there was no flow to test it with and no documentation on exactly what it should do.  It is just a stub function right now.
2017-07-25 03:06 <Ubit> yeah guess its from avination merge
2017-07-25 03:07 <Ubit> grrr what hell
2017-07-25 03:08 <colosi> We can impement something in there once we know what to do.
2017-07-25 03:09 <colosi> OnMoneyTransfer is a scene event which handles when a user pays a user and when a user pays an object.
2017-07-25 03:09 <Ubit> yes seen it
2017-07-25 03:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5754: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5754/
2017-07-25 03:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add missing session ID verification
2017-07-25 03:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #5755 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-25 03:11 <Ubit> that is basicly the handler for viewer pay request
2017-07-25 03:12 <Ubit> ok lets try that
2017-07-25 03:14 <Plugh> colosi: What do you mean by "group payments"?
2017-07-25 03:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5755: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5755/
2017-07-25 03:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a few more...
2017-07-25 03:18 <colosi> When I finish cleaning up the Gloebit Money Module and open source it, you’ll find I’ve commented it quite well and I think it will help guide any changes to commerce that people might want to make.  Hoping to do that soon.
2017-07-25 03:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #5756 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-25 03:19 <colosi> Plugh, payments to or from a group.  I think a group id can come through some of the payment methods instead of an agent id.  I’m pretty sure we just fail that.  It’s undefined how that should work.  Does the group owner receive/pay?  Is it split evenly amongst all members?  Does the group have its own money account?
2017-07-25 03:20 <Ubit> well not really
2017-07-25 03:20 <Ubit> just a pain
2017-07-25 03:20 <Ubit> after a time members with some flags get their part of money
2017-07-25 03:20 <Ubit> or something like that
2017-07-25 03:20 <Plugh> Payments to group should go to group owners/officers. Money should only go to others if indicated by settings for the group member roles.
2017-07-25 03:21 <Ubit> yeap
2017-07-25 03:21 <Ubit> well have passes to group owned disabled
2017-07-25 03:21 <Ubit> errr
2017-07-25 03:21 <colosi> So, I don’t know the answers regarding groups, but I know that Mike Lorrey has some desires around groups and he’d want to be involved in that.
2017-07-25 03:22 <colosi> There is also an IMA Commerce Working Group which would be a great resource in future designs around any commerce functions in OpenSim.
2017-07-25 03:22 <colosi> When I have some time, I’ll review what Ubit has done and provide feedback and make sure it’s working properly in the GMM.  Gotta sign off again.  Ciao
2017-07-25 03:23 <Plugh> I worked on handling fees to join a group membership. It is only partly implemented. I didn't get in to splitting the fees with others in the group that should receive funds.
2017-07-25 03:23 <Plugh> receive part of the join fee.
2017-07-25 03:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5756: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5756/
2017-07-25 03:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: lets try using older EventManager.TriggerMoneyTransfer to pay parcel passes
2017-07-25 03:31 <Plugh> You do know there are other event handlers for moving money.
2017-07-25 03:33 <Plugh> EventManager.OnMoneyTransfer for one.
2017-07-25 03:35 <Plugh> One of its arguments contains the transaction type.
2017-07-25 03:35 <Bill_Blight> I might be wrong, but I think that is the one currenlty testing that is not working
2017-07-25 03:36 <Bill_Blight> Not working for land pass with the gloebit module, I should say precisely 
2017-07-25 03:36 <Plugh> The code would need to invoke that function to handle payment.
2017-07-25 03:37 <Bill_Blight> it was sort of working earlier ... just not passing the land owner data , so not paying the right person
2017-07-25 03:48 <Ubit> and do you really own that land ? :p
2017-07-25 03:48 <Ubit> ( parcel not region )
2017-07-25 03:51 <Plugh> Ubit: AFAIK, you just need to call mm.MoveMoney() to move the money.
2017-07-25 03:51 <Ubit> that was 1st try
2017-07-25 03:51 <Ubit> its new
2017-07-25 03:52 <Plugh> ok. FYI, when I added support to handle group membership fees I used this to move money -> money.MoveMoney(remoteClient.AgentId, groupRecord.FounderID, groupRecord.MembershipFee, MoneyTransactionType.GroupJoin, groupRecord.GroupName);
2017-07-25 03:52 <Ubit> DTL seems to have it
2017-07-25 03:53 <Ubit> not what bill is using
2017-07-25 03:57 <Plugh> You may want to include the region name in the string saying what parcel was being joined.
2017-07-25 04:00 <Ubit> regions stoped on a break point do not sell passes :p
2017-07-25 04:00 <Bill_Blight> We are testing with the gloebit module, and according to colosi, it does not use MoveMoney, at least that is what I think he said
2017-07-25 04:01 <Bill_Blight> [23:06] <colosi> MoveMoney is not yet used for anything.  We have not implemented any code there yet as there was no flow to test it with and no documentation on exactly what it should do.  It is just a stub function right now.
2017-07-25 04:07 <Plugh> It is a stub function in the code because OS does not ship with a proper money module. There is just the sample one.
2017-07-25 04:08 <Plugh> AFAIK, MoveMoney is the main way to get money to be moved when there is a money module in use. I haven't see the Gloebit code to know what they are doing.
2017-07-25 04:10 <Bill_Blight> Yeah I don't hae access to the source code, but it works fine for user to user, and user to object ..
2017-07-25 04:15 <Plugh> Ubit, I'm curious as to what is the benefit to having used "delegate" in the Land pass buy code when you are handling the payment.
2017-07-25 04:20 <Plugh> bbl
2017-07-25 06:34 <colosi> Guys, this is why I’d prefer we take some time to design something before we rush off and code it.  I already made this work with the Gloebit Money Module using the client event that is called (OnParcelBuyPass).  I would have been able to provide a version of the module with that within a day or two once I did some more testing, and we could have taken some time to answer the question of how to properly do this without just trying 
2017-07-25 06:34 <colosi> different MM events.  That event will still be what the GMM uses on prior versions of OpenSim (0.8.x).  Now, rather than the Money Module consuming an event, a core system is going to consume that event and call a money function to transfer the funds.  It’s good to move the parcel checks and parcel access delivery to the proper system, but I also don’t like this flow because you can end up paying for something that you don’t rece
2017-07-25 06:34 <colosi>  It would be ideal to supply the money module with a callback function to call when it is time to deliver the goods (in this case the land pass) which would return true on success and false on failure and then the money module could finalize the transaction or roll it back (of course doing this without making a breaking change may be impossible).  I am glad that we’ve moved to using TriggerMoneyTransfer/OnMoneyTransfer as it is the m
2017-07-25 06:34 <colosi> applicable without making a breaking change to the money module interface.  ApplyCharge is designed for things that impact the grid and should be payed to the grid.  They do not supply a payee.  I’m not sure what MoveMoney was intended for, but as it doesn’t supply any sort of sku/MoneyTransactionType, I think it was intended for simple movement of funds (paying a user), which is actually handled by OnMoneyTransfer.  This doesn’t
2017-07-25 06:34 <colosi> work on the GMM because I haven’t implemented that transaction type on the GMM.  The money transfer args are dependent upon the transaction type, so there is not a single generic implementation.  For instance, the current implementation supplies the parcel owners agentID as the receiver, but it might be better to supply the Global ID of the parcel.  The money module can then use this to retrieve the owner_id and figure out whom to pa
2017-07-25 06:34 <colosi> but it can also retrieve info like the name and description of the parcel to add to the transaction history.  Now, based on what we choose, I’ll have to implement this transaction type a different way.  For instance, when a user pays an object instead of another user, the receiver is the part id.  This is pretty vital, since after payment, we need to notify the object that it has been paid, but we couldn’t do that without the part 
2017-07-25 06:34 <colosi> Ultimately, we need to agree on how this will be triggered and what the MoneyTransferArguments will be, and then I can implement it in the money module.
2017-07-25 06:35 <smxy> Whoa. You should mention you're about to flood us, before doing so ...
2017-07-25 06:39 <Bill_Blight> Colosi , I think this just started the work , and was an attempt to make it work "generically" for not just the GMM .. But maybe I'm wrong about that
2017-07-25 06:40 <Bill_Blight> I think it was maybe just a fluke or crossing of the streams that we got it to work once, partially with the standard GMM
2017-07-25 06:47 <colosi> Bill_Blight, it’s great to make things generic and I am thankful for Ubit’s efforts and achievements.  But, I felt this was one that some design work should have gone into.  For instance, we should have figured out what money module function we were calling before embarking on implementing this in the core.  Ultimately, I think this will work and I think I know how to make it keep the code in that makes this work for 0.8.x and 
2017-07-25 06:47 <colosi> implement the 0.9 flow without double charging users.  But, this actually may cause significantly more work for me since I already did all the work that Ubit just moved into the core and now I have to re-implement it in another flow.
2017-07-25 06:48 <Bill_Blight> Oh I fully agree colosi, not speaking for Ubit, but I think he was just trying to keep it inline with the other core code transaction types, and not be too specific to one type of money module .. but that is just my dumb tester brain thinking
2017-07-25 06:49 <colosi> And I think it worked when the it was using ApplyCharge and for you, you are the grid owner and the parcel owner, so the right person was being paid.
2017-07-25 06:49 <Bill_Blight> It actually showed a null_key on the payee transaction so it was not even paying a UUID just the default account, so I think you are more or less corrrect
2017-07-25 06:50 <colosi> ApplyCharge doesn’t supply a payee.  We process it as a user-to-app transaction instead of a user-to-user transaction.  We effectively pay the Gloebit account which owns the app that the GMM is configured with.
2017-07-25 06:50 <smxy> With the caveat that I haven't had time to read the scrollback yet, is it possible he moved what he did, into core, so that it would work with more money modules than just Gloebit? Core can't show favoritism for one money module over another.
2017-07-25 06:51 <Bill_Blight> Ahhh that makes sense colosi
2017-07-25 06:53 <colosi> And I understand wanting to roll out features to all, but I spent two days doing all the research to understand this flow and all the necessary variables and how to make this work.  Now, the only MM owner who is going to have to do extra work is the one who put the effort in to make this happen.  I fully would have supported submitting my code and input into designing this in generically, but it would have been nice to be able to launc
2017-07-25 06:53 <colosi> with it and make an announcement for the community and get some use out of it before I had to throw it out.
2017-07-25 06:53 <Bill_Blight> smxy I think pretty much you said what I said, and I agree, but I do agree that this may feel rushed, but hell I know ubit only started working on it a few hours ago so call it rushed, or call it fast progress, just depends on your point of view ... a few  hours ago we could not even process land passes, now we can ..
2017-07-25 06:58 <Bill_Blight> I understand colosi, it sucks ... But like I said , a few hours ago we could not process land pass sales between the viewer and server, so IF it had been left as it was, you would have gotten to make your announcement, but NO other money module would work , and then IF it then got changed, after a bazillion people bitched that their money modules did not work, you would have had to redo 
2017-07-25 06:58 <Bill_Blight> it anyway ... So I'd say be glad that you are in on the ground floor and have not put out a "finished" product ..
2017-07-25 06:58 <Bill_Blight> But I just look at it from a different prespective, so don't mind me
2017-07-25 06:58 <colosi> smxy, I support open source software.  But it doesn’t give me a lot of incentive to work on stuff in the future if the work I put it is wasted.  No one seemed to want to fix this until I researched it and implemented it and was testing it.
2017-07-25 07:00 <Bill_Blight> You are right they didn't BUT regardless it was still somehing that was MISSING from core, but you sometimes don't know something is really missing till someone asks for it ..
2017-07-25 07:00 <colosi> Bill_Blight, it’s not favoratism to give let people test new software on the market and then take time to decide what is pulled into the core and how it is designed.  that’s good software practice.
2017-07-25 07:01 <smxy> Seems to me you lit a fire under them and now have an opportunity to work with them, even if it didn;t go exactly as you'd planned/hoped.
2017-07-25 07:01 <colosi> I’m late and I’m going to stop complaining.  I am glad it is in core
2017-07-25 07:01 <smxy> :)
2017-07-25 07:02 <colosi> It’s been a rough afternoon and I’m sure I’ll be happier on more sleep.
2017-07-25 07:02 <smxy> I know I will be. :)
2017-07-25 07:02 <smxy> Afternoon? Where are you?
2017-07-25 07:02 <colosi> And please don’t take this as me being ungrateful that Ubit put this work in.  In the long run, it’s good that things are in core.
2017-07-25 07:02 <smxy> It's 3AM here.
2017-07-25 07:04 <smxy> Time for bed.
2017-07-25 07:04 <smxy> *thud*
2017-07-25 07:04 <colosi> In the future, regarding commerce functionality, there is an IMA Commerce Working Group which I think has a lot of stakeholders who should be involved and can provide great input on how to do things best.
2017-07-25 07:05 <colosi> Yes, night guys and thanks to everyone who did this.
2017-07-25 07:23 <Bill_Blight> HOLY CRAP
2017-07-25 13:19 <smxy> Bill? "HOLY CRAP"?
2017-07-25 15:44 <colosi> Morning folks.  Sorry if I was a bit persnickety last night.  It was a long day.  Much happier this morning.
2017-07-25 15:47 <colosi> Also, I mentioned IMA, and I hear that people don’t like that group very much.  I can’t speak to the history.  I only suggest that for various core functionality designs, the right stakeholder group is included who can speak to all the ways they currently use the system and want to use it.  When I built the GMM, I was getting input from 3 hosting providers, some longtime community members, and a handful of grid owners.  I was pushi
2017-07-25 15:47 <colosi> for what I wanted yesterday, but I’m not the only money module developer (or maybe I am the only active one.  I don’t know), so my opinion shouldn’t be the only one.
2017-07-25 16:22 <osmantis> Bug #8214:04 BuyLandPass Design decision on MoneyTransferArgs sent to money module - AgentID vs parcel GloebalID 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8214 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-07-25 16:53 <colosi> Actually, this new flow for BuyLandPass has a major flaw.  The OnMoneyTransfer event triggered by TriggerMoneyTransfer doesn’t return a value.  There is no way to tell the LandManagementModule whether or not the payment succeeded.  So, Everyone can buy access without paying.
2017-07-25 16:59 <Plugh> I'm still not sure about the use of TriggerMoneyTransfer.
2017-07-25 17:05 <colosi> Plugh, I’m writing up a Mantis, but there’s not a good solution without making a breaking change to the interface.  So, I’m going to suggest that we move mostly back to where we started, with the meat of this code handled by the money module, and that we put some thought into how the interface should work and put that interface stub function in place now so that when we deprecate 0.8, we can start using the new interface.
2017-07-25 17:09 <colosi> MoveMoney also doesn’t return a value.  ApplyCharge doesn’t either.  You could call AmountCovered() first, which returns a bool, but there is no guarantee that the user still has those funds later when you process the transaction.
2017-07-25 17:13 <Plugh> There is a money API that has a move money function that can be called to do the money move. It will return a boolean which will tell you if the move was successful or not.
2017-07-25 17:21 <Plugh> The LandManagementModule already calls m_scene.RequestModuleInterface<IMoneyModule>() so you can move the money by using mm.MoveMoney() with the right parameters.
2017-07-25 17:21 <osmantis> Bug #8215:04 BuyLandPass will deliver land pass regardless of whether user pays 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8215 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-07-25 17:22 <colosi> Plugh, I see — public void MoveMoney(UUID fromAgentID, UUID toAgentID, int amount, string text)
2017-07-25 17:23 <Plugh> I was thinking of this one -> public bool MoveMoney(UUID fromAgentID, UUID toAgentID, int amount, string text, MoneyTransactionType type)
2017-07-25 17:24 <colosi> Where did you find that Plugh?  I don’t see that in my codebase.
2017-07-25 17:25 <Plugh> That is in a custom money module. I'm assuming that it is defined as standard for the money module API but I'd have to check the API.
2017-07-25 17:26 <Plugh> Yes it is. See OpenSim/Framework/IMoneyModule.cs
2017-07-25 17:27 <colosi> Here is what I see in IMoneyModule:
2017-07-25 17:27 <colosi> namespace OpenSim.Framework
2017-07-25 17:27 <colosi> {
2017-07-25 17:27 <colosi>     public delegate void ObjectPaid(UUID objectID, UUID agentID, int amount);
2017-07-25 17:27 <colosi>     public interface IMoneyModule
2017-07-25 17:27 <colosi>     {
2017-07-25 17:27 <colosi>         bool ObjectGiveMoney(UUID objectID, UUID fromID,
2017-07-25 17:27 <colosi>                 UUID toID, int amount, UUID txn, out string reason);
2017-07-25 17:27 <colosi>         int GetBalance(UUID agentID);
2017-07-25 17:28 <colosi>         bool UploadCovered(UUID agentID, int amount);
2017-07-25 17:28 <colosi>         bool AmountCovered(UUID agentID, int amount);
2017-07-25 17:28 <colosi>         void ApplyCharge(UUID agentID, int amount, MoneyTransactionType type, string extraData = "");
2017-07-25 17:28 <colosi>         void ApplyUploadCharge(UUID agentID, int amount, string text);
2017-07-25 17:28 <colosi>         void MoveMoney(UUID fromUser, UUID toUser, int amount, string text);
2017-07-25 17:28 <colosi>         int UploadCharge { get; }
2017-07-25 17:28 <colosi>         int GroupCreationCharge { get; }
2017-07-25 17:28 <colosi>         event ObjectPaid OnObjectPaid;
2017-07-25 17:28 <colosi>     }
2017-07-25 17:28 <colosi> }
2017-07-25 17:28 <Plugh> What version of OpenSim are you using?
2017-07-25 17:29 <colosi> 0.9.1
2017-07-25 17:31 <Plugh> hm... I have an extra line. Perhaps because I am using OS with a real money module.
2017-07-25 17:32 <Plugh> Ah. It was something I added when I was working on group membership fees. It is code I haven't pushed.
2017-07-25 17:35 <Plugh> IIRC, I held off on pushing the code as it changes the money module API. I wanted to make sure I wasn't going to have someone coming after me for making that change.
2017-07-25 17:35 <colosi> Plugh, that’s a good move.  
2017-07-25 17:36 <colosi> At a minimum, if we add any interface functions, we should start having them take an optional dictionary argument at the end for all the crap we didn’t realize we needed.
2017-07-25 17:36 <Plugh> I think it is a useful addition. It makes it easier to handle group membership fees. It will also make it easier to handle buying passes to land.
2017-07-25 17:37 <Plugh> It might turn out to be useful for applying other fees not currently collected.
2017-07-25 17:37 <colosi> For instance, that MoveMoney function provides very little information relative to the transaciton type and provides no way to supply a callback function.  I’d argue these are necessary in the protocol as we move forward.
2017-07-25 17:38 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2017-07-25 17:38 <Plugh> I'm just noticing the time. I've got something to do before the meeting that is starting in about 22 minues.
2017-07-25 17:38 <Plugh> +t
2017-07-25 18:56 <colosi> Hey, perhaps there is a way to do this where I don’t ahve to fork my money module.  We add an event to the IMoneyModule interface OnLandPassPurchased.  The LandManagementModule subscribes to that.  We call that event after the funds move.  I don’t think we can have that return a value to know whether or not the pass was successfully granted, but at least we are a step closer to a proper transaction.
2017-07-25 19:49 <Plugh> colosi: That sounds more complicated than what you could do with my unpushed code changes.
2017-07-25 19:49 <colosi> Yes, but it makes for better long term design
2017-07-25 20:12 <Plugh> But that could lead to a trend of adding more event handlers for other money events where it may not be necessary to do so.
2017-07-25 20:12 <Plugh> bbl. I need a break.
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2017-07-26 01:04 <osmantis> Bug #8216:04 use any pmac enabled stuff and script debug outputs errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8216 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-26 01:10 <osmantis> Bug #8216:04 use any pmac enabled stuff and script debug outputs errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8216 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-26 02:24 <smxy> I have that same bench and get no errors.
2017-07-26 02:31 <Bill_Blight> Yes smxy, I don't think it is an actual problem with the code, most likely user error ..
2017-07-26 02:32 <Bill_Blight> as in, just needing to recompile
2017-07-26 03:07 <Tampa> Would be good to have the actual script used to test that with though from the error message that looks more like it failed to compile properly, I have seen this somewhere before that RemotingException.
2017-07-26 03:27 <Bill_Blight> well he does say it is a PMAC script so any PMAC is the same script
2017-07-26 03:27 <Bill_Blight> and he does say ANY PMAC script was doing it for him .
2017-07-26 03:29 <Tampa> Not familiar with those, but I did find an old ticket with a server uri .rem not found
2017-07-26 03:30 <Bill_Blight> well PMAC is pretty common these days, it is pretty much the replacemetn for MLP so pretty standard script to have .. 
2017-07-26 03:30 <Tampa> Hypergrid item containing a script seemingly too large to compile, though I am not sure this related
2017-07-26 03:30 <Bill_Blight> I'll be back in a bit , my machine is begging me for a reboot
2017-07-26 03:37 <smxy> There is a PMAC 2 now, recently released. But I'd imagine it's pretty similar to the original.
2017-07-26 03:38 <Tampa> This sounds more serious than a script error, but I am going into guessing territory now.
2017-07-26 03:44 <Tampa> What is .rem anyways?
2017-07-26 07:42 <djphil> There is a PMAC 2.5 now smxy, with support for the RLV API v2.9
2017-07-26 08:13 <Haravikk>  /msg NickServ VERIFY EMAILCHG Haravikk 418194008
2017-07-26 08:13 <Haravikk> Whoops, had a space at the start, sorry about that!
2017-07-26 08:14 <Tampa> @djphil do you have a link to that perhaps?
2017-07-26 08:15 <BillBlight> Tampa you should be able to find it here, all her stuff is here... refugegrid.com:8002:Paramour Shopping
2017-07-26 08:17 <djphil> yes sure Tampa http://ainetutorials.blogspot.be/2017/
2017-07-26 08:18 <djphil> Hey Bill you whant the Boat game or not ?
2017-07-26 08:18 <BillBlight> Yeah sure djphil, been a crazy few days ..
2017-07-26 08:18 <BillBlight> send me a location to meet you
2017-07-26 08:20 <djphil> on OSG > Digital Concepts
2017-07-26 08:21 <BillBlight> I'll head over there just shortly
2017-07-26 08:23 <Tampa> Well no error
2017-07-26 08:24 <Tampa> Not that I expected one
2017-07-26 08:29 <Tampa> Don't see how it could just affect pmac scripts unless there is something that just flatout never worked, which is unlikely seeing as this was written on OpenSim.
2017-07-26 09:54 <Ubit> hi im back..  well not fully :)
2017-07-26 09:54 <Ubit> errr some of those caps mentioned on the meeting we do suport
2017-07-26 09:54 <Ubit> others we do not care to suport
2017-07-26 09:54 <Ubit> like experiences
2017-07-26 09:54 <Ubit> nav mesh
2017-07-26 09:55 <Ubit> hmm auction
2017-07-26 09:55 <Ubit> that reduces that list of unsuported almost to 0
2017-07-26 09:55 <Ubit> err AIS3 is also a ll only thing
2017-07-26 09:57 <Ubit> as SSA
2017-07-26 09:58 <Tampa> What's so bad about experiences?
2017-07-26 09:58 <Ubit> nothing..  for SL 
2017-07-26 09:59 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-26 10:00 <Ubit> at least is low low low on our priorities
2017-07-26 10:01 <Tampa> No argue there but the premise of them sounds useful, grant perms once and not every time, I can see that being useful for educators or those building adventures on regions.
2017-07-26 10:01 <Ubit> yes not telling they are useless or bad...
2017-07-26 10:02 <Tampa> Though thinking about that, it may not be so easy to implement
2017-07-26 10:02 <Ubit> yeap not a "one night's work"
2017-07-26 10:03 <Ubit> same about navmesh  and pathfind
2017-07-26 10:03 <nebadon> that kind of stuff seems inappropriate for core, seems like that would be better done in some kind of module
2017-07-26 10:03 <nebadon> experiences that is anyway
2017-07-26 10:03 <Ubit> well to suport it, core may need some hooks ...
2017-07-26 10:03 <nebadon> sure of course
2017-07-26 10:04 <Ubit> having external optional modules messing all over core is nasty
2017-07-26 10:05 <Ubit> but we have still so many problems with what we already have..  that we don't need that extra :)
2017-07-26 10:06 <Tampa> Though I would not straight up shove that off the table for now
2017-07-26 10:06 <Tampa> Are all default LSL functions working as described by the wiki?
2017-07-26 10:06 <Ubit> many are
2017-07-26 10:07 <Ubit> you tell me the ones that are not, when you find one ;)
2017-07-26 10:07 <Ubit> err tell mantis
2017-07-26 10:07 <Tampa> Been meaning to figure that out actually
2017-07-26 10:08 <Ubit> of course expect the ones related to those features...
2017-07-26 10:09 <Ubit> uff i  "crashed" yesterday..  so missed the meeting.. petty
2017-07-26 10:09 <Tampa> Only thing I remember in recent history was if(!variable) was not functioning
2017-07-26 10:09 <Ubit> still not feeling that good..  but well
2017-07-26 10:10 <Ubit> damm missed that Gloebit guy... 
2017-07-26 10:11 <Tampa> Do you have the meeting chatlog?
2017-07-26 10:11 <Ubit> reading it
2017-07-26 10:11 <Tampa> Aight
2017-07-26 10:15 <Ubit> bahh
2017-07-26 10:16 <Ubit> ppl wanted buypass..  i did some work on it, and im kicked bc i did it
2017-07-26 10:16 <Ubit> bahh
2017-07-26 10:16 <Tampa> God I wish I had not opened my mouth about that stuff
2017-07-26 10:16 <Tampa> Honestly I think you and Chris just completely miscommunicated past one another on this
2017-07-26 10:17 <Ubit> well most of it was done already
2017-07-26 10:17 <Ubit> jsut missing the interface with viewer
2017-07-26 10:17 <Tampa> Chris is just concerned with the way it was done not being very easily verifable
2017-07-26 10:17 <Ubit> and that is not a money module job.. like seems he was doing it
2017-07-26 10:18 <Tampa> I have to somewhat agree with the mantis proposal, I think any money transaction should always be double checked for money received and product delivered
2017-07-26 10:18 <Ubit> his problems are correct
2017-07-26 10:18 <Ubit> but relate to all the money module
2017-07-26 10:19 <Ubit> those are issues on the money module model we have
2017-07-26 10:19 <Ubit> it assumes a simple model, where user cash is known by regions and fast to manipulate
2017-07-26 10:20 <Ubit> that is of course not good on most use cases
2017-07-26 10:20 <Ubit> but its not a buypass issue.. i
2017-07-26 10:20 <Ubit> is a money issue
2017-07-26 10:21 <Tampa> Now I'm confused. Let me ask, do you think having returns for transactions of any kind, money, inventory etc. would not make sense instead of having them fail silently?
2017-07-26 10:22 <Ubit> they do not fail silent
2017-07-26 10:22 <Tampa> movemoney doesnt return anything though
2017-07-26 10:23 <Ubit> its just a collection of hooks that a true money module should replace
2017-07-26 10:23 <Ubit> or API  better said
2017-07-26 10:24 <Ubit> now chis was upset, because he did hook on the LL protocol handler for the buypass comand
2017-07-26 10:24 <Tampa> So movemoney should not return whether it worked or not?
2017-07-26 10:24 <Ubit> and was messing around with parcel flags and settings
2017-07-26 10:25 <Ubit> ad that is not a money module job
2017-07-26 10:26 <Ubit> he does need to do that on 82..  ok.. but is wrong
2017-07-26 10:26 <Ubit> see what i mean ?
2017-07-26 10:27 <Tampa> His concerns of .8 I dont really share, I am looking toward .9 stable
2017-07-26 10:27 <Tampa> I'm wondering if you think movemoney should not return whether it failed or not?
2017-07-26 10:28 <Ubit> and to change money transactions  model i should have feedback from other money modules creators
2017-07-26 10:28 <Ubit> and more ppl
2017-07-26 10:29 <Tampa> Sure
2017-07-26 10:29 <Ubit> tampa of course it needs to return a fail or sucess..
2017-07-26 10:29 <Ubit> thats checked on all money uses in code ( i hope )
2017-07-26 10:30 <Ubit> just our simple one always returns sucess all the time..  bc it is not funcional
2017-07-26 10:30 <Ubit> core opensim has no money
2017-07-26 10:31 <Ubit> but does do the checks 
2017-07-26 10:31 <Ubit> well not sure is was clear :)
2017-07-26 10:32 <Tampa> So core is not responsible for imoneymodule?
2017-07-26 10:32 <Ubit> we call it when money is involved
2017-07-26 10:33 <Ubit> but our own module does not have money.. so returns sucess
2017-07-26 10:33 <Ubit> true money modules replace it, using same API and to the real thing
2017-07-26 10:34 <Ubit> so on the buypass i call money module to check if user has money and tell him if not
2017-07-26 10:34 <Ubit> then steal his money, and give him the pass :p
2017-07-26 10:35 <Tampa> so then what happens to that money?
2017-07-26 10:35 <Ubit> i tell mm to give it to land owner
2017-07-26 10:36 <Tampa> so what happens when that fails?
2017-07-26 10:36 <Ubit> land owner is not payed :p
2017-07-26 10:37 <Tampa> and where does the money go?
2017-07-26 10:37 <Ubit> also  we never assume real money
2017-07-26 10:37 <Ubit> there is no real money ever in opensim
2017-07-26 10:38 <Ubit> where the money goes is a money module problem
2017-07-26 10:38 <Tampa> With that mindset why even have money operations in opensim
2017-07-26 10:39 <Ubit> to make money modules possible
2017-07-26 10:39 <Tampa> You want feedback from money module makers, but assume that there is no money in opensim and they all should just replace everything, I find that somewhat contradicts itself
2017-07-26 10:40 <Ubit> i said replace everything ??
2017-07-26 10:40 <Ubit> or i said replace the dummy money module provided ?
2017-07-26 10:41 <Ubit> and this is the current model i did not made it :p
2017-07-26 10:41 <djphil> 
ACTION I hope Mel give me the php part of OpenCurrency soon :)

2017-07-26 10:41 <Ubit> i hate money.. well in fact money hates me :p
2017-07-26 10:41 <Tampa> Which would shift incompatibility issues away from core and to the third party module creators to solve
2017-07-26 10:42 <djphil> Idem for me Ubit but "OpenCurrency" is only Monopoly Money :p
2017-07-26 10:42 <Ubit> look .. i fixed a missing function, using the current money model we have
2017-07-26 10:42 <Ubit> if that needs to change.. sure..  but that is another topic
2017-07-26 10:43 <Ubit> and possible im not the best dev to work on money code 
2017-07-26 10:43 <Tampa> Well I am only saying that movemoney should really return success of fail, if any further actions care, well that is up to them, but a receipt should be issued regardless
2017-07-26 10:44 <Ubit> yeah possible
2017-07-26 10:44 <Tampa> :)
2017-07-26 10:44 <Ubit> im not telling it right
2017-07-26 10:44 <Ubit> just that it is what i have to work with on buypass :p
2017-07-26 10:44 <Tampa> Now if money is not your most liked topic, how about estates...
2017-07-26 10:45 <Ubit> im not changing money.. im changing buypass :)
2017-07-26 10:45 <Ubit> btw i need to change a thing on it
2017-07-26 10:45 <Ubit> to actually use MoveMoney for now
2017-07-26 10:46 <Tampa> Well you read the chatlog so I don't think I need to repeat my estate proposal
2017-07-26 10:46 <Ubit> grid estate code is almost none
2017-07-26 10:47 <Ubit> we do have some tools for standalones
2017-07-26 10:47 <Ubit> almost nothing for grids
2017-07-26 10:47 <Tampa> Okay well what I was saying was, if you have a simulator with two regions, how do you define their estates if not through user interaction
2017-07-26 10:48 <Ubit> so yeap.. a open issue :(
2017-07-26 10:48 <Ubit> for now you need to go to the dbs
2017-07-26 10:48 <Melanie_T> for grids it's actually up to the grid's website, like in SL
2017-07-26 10:48 <Tampa> Proposal: Adding EstateID, EstateName, EstateOwnerUUID or Name to Regions.ini to be read and used by estate connector
2017-07-26 10:48 <Melanie_T> and grids need to make their own website to deal with things we dont' handle
2017-07-26 10:48 <Ubit> yeap os that
2017-07-26 10:48 <Melanie_T> like membership plans, region sales, etc
2017-07-26 10:49 <Melanie_T> Tampa: estate info has no business in opensim.ini in a grid
2017-07-26 10:49 <Melanie_T> in fact, it has no business in opensim.ini anyway
2017-07-26 10:49 <Melanie_T> it's not a simulator level setting
2017-07-26 10:50 <Melanie_T> it is a region level setting
2017-07-26 10:50 <Melanie_T> it would, of anything, go to regions.ini
2017-07-26 10:50 <Melanie_T> not opensim.ini
2017-07-26 10:50 <Tampa> I said Regions.ini didnt I
2017-07-26 10:50 <Melanie_T> aah yes
2017-07-26 10:50 <Tampa> :)
2017-07-26 10:50 <Melanie_T> opensim.ini, no idea where that came from :|
2017-07-26 10:50 <Melanie_T> getting old
2017-07-26 10:50 <Tampa> I been awake for 30 hours dont scare me like that
2017-07-26 10:50 <Melanie_T> still don't know what you would want to do
2017-07-26 10:51 <Melanie_T> because regions can't create estates on gridded systems
2017-07-26 10:51 <Tampa> Well I want to preconfigure a simulator through ini to start without user interaction
2017-07-26 10:51 <Melanie_T> and tbh, estates and their management touches the province of commercial grids, as hobbyists rarely need that once set up
2017-07-26 10:51 <Melanie_T> and we don't provide commercial grid level management tools
2017-07-26 10:52 <Melanie_T> as several of us sell such tools
2017-07-26 10:52 <Melanie_T> those who wish to earn money with opensim need to pay for the means to do so
2017-07-26 10:52 <Tampa> But any application capable of running headless should not require user interaction to boot, at least OpenSim is the only one I know that does that
2017-07-26 10:52 <Melanie_T> i run opensim in docker containers
2017-07-26 10:53 <Melanie_T> no user interaction ever
2017-07-26 10:53 <Tampa> It's already built into remoteadmin when adding a region as well
2017-07-26 10:53 <Melanie_T> all you need to do is prepopulate the database
2017-07-26 10:53 <Melanie_T> and as i said, that is whata  commercial grid would need
2017-07-26 10:53 <Tampa> Well even a normal simulator that is connected to something like OSGrid will ask the user which estate is to be used for the regions they setup
2017-07-26 10:54 <Melanie_T> that is because in osgrid, estates are local to the user
2017-07-26 10:54 <Melanie_T> it provides no estate services
2017-07-26 10:54 <Tampa> Yes, not from yesterday, but why does it need to be that way though
2017-07-26 10:55 <djphil> Hey Mel is arround :) Do you soon have some time for the PHP part of OpenCurrency ?
2017-07-26 10:56 <Melanie_T> it won't do you any good
2017-07-26 10:56 <Melanie_T> the mysql plugin used has been removed from php
2017-07-26 10:56 <Melanie_T> it needs to be rewritten to PDO
2017-07-26 10:57 <Melanie_T> and i can't seem to find the original with the double validation teravus did
2017-07-26 10:57 <Melanie_T> i always thought it was on the wiki
2017-07-26 10:57 <djphil> I have no see that on wiki
2017-07-26 11:00 <djphil> I would already be very happy with current OpenCurrency and Php part functional.
2017-07-26 11:03 <osmantis> Bug #8216:04 use any pmac enabled stuff and script debug outputs errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8216 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-26 11:04 <Tampa> Of course I can create straight SQL to do this, but it seems non-sensical to me when there is a perfectly capable estate connector that can create estates and even check if a user exists or not, why would that first check a config for what to do before asking the user be such a bad idea?
2017-07-26 11:10 <Melanie_T> the issue is not with allowing these initial questions to be answered automatically
2017-07-26 11:10 <Melanie_T> the issue is with the user expectation of it being changeable once the initial configuration has happened
2017-07-26 11:10 <Melanie_T> they will go to regions.ini and change the estate stuff, expecting it to honor the file not the database
2017-07-26 11:11 <Melanie_T> then they will file bug reports on that and discusss it ti no end until i have to force close the issue
2017-07-26 11:11 <Melanie_T> this type of stuff has in the past led to mantis being abused as a forum
2017-07-26 11:11 <Melanie_T> and even ad hominem attacks
2017-07-26 11:11 <Melanie_T> so if you can come up with a solution for this
2017-07-26 11:11 <Melanie_T> then we can talk about it
2017-07-26 11:14 <Tampa> Simple, if the estate is setup and the config is changed the user is told "Hey this mismatches" from there you either have them supply the actual estate they want for the region or simple default to the database. There already exists a console command for changing a region to a different estate, so that functionality would be called.
2017-07-26 11:17 <Tampa> For simulators that run local estates you could just update the database, for gridwide estates you have it call user interaction. The idea is to supply either EstateID, which connects to existing estates or if that is not present use EstateName and EstateOwnerUUID or name.
2017-07-26 11:20 <Tampa> If you are afraid of mantis tickets coming in then I'll gladly sit down and deal with the ones regarding this.
2017-07-26 11:27 <Melanie_T> i'll put some thought into it
2017-07-26 11:27 <Melanie_T> it's got to be solveable and it's been a longstanding thing
2017-07-26 11:27 <Melanie_T> now i'm off to lunch
2017-07-26 11:27 <Tampa> Guten Hunger :)
2017-07-26 11:28 <osmantis> Bug #8216:04 use any pmac enabled stuff and script debug outputs errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8216 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-26 11:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #5757 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-26 12:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5757: SUCCESS in 8 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5757/
2017-07-26 12:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid leasing issues on lsl_list on domain crossings. This will make their use even more slow. AppDomainLoading just needs to be set false to have acceptable scripts performance
2017-07-26 12:07 <djphil> Ubit; Is possible to improve delay for Create Link function ? (mantis 7871 and 80003)
2017-07-26 12:08 <djphil> 8003*
2017-07-26 12:35 <Ubit> dj the sl one sleeps 1s per call
2017-07-26 12:35 <Ubit> so yes 5 minutes
2017-07-26 12:36 <djphil> yeah ... unbearable :s
2017-07-26 12:36 <Ubit> this where never consider to link 300 prims
2017-07-26 12:36 <Ubit> only a few
2017-07-26 12:36 <Ubit> actually only one it seems :p
2017-07-26 12:37 <djphil> wow :p
2017-07-26 12:37 <Ubit> guess they added it to shut up their dj person :p
2017-07-26 12:37 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-26 12:38 <Ubit> and you where unluck  that dj was asking to link only once :p
2017-07-26 12:39 <djphil> Are you sure?  ^^
2017-07-26 12:39 <Ubit> just kidding of course
2017-07-26 12:39 <Tampa> Linking things has made me fat, I just get food whenever linking large sets xD
2017-07-26 12:39 <Ubit> and link something can be heavy
2017-07-26 12:40 <djphil> heavy to link one by one (single prim) ?
2017-07-26 12:41 <djphil> such as cube, sphere
2017-07-26 12:53 <Ubit> and the rest?
2017-07-26 12:54 <djphil> yeah, i say too "and the rest" when you say Link function is only for one prim lol
2017-07-26 12:55 <djphil> Maybe a specific ossl function for several prim would be better, i do not know ...
2017-07-26 12:56 <djphil> But wait 5 'is really scary!
2017-07-26 12:58 <Tampa> osslCreateLink(list targetkeys, integer parent)?
2017-07-26 12:59 <djphil> Here, for example ...
2017-07-26 13:00 <djphil> or key parent
2017-07-26 13:01 <Tampa> Hm yeah for multiple that would probably be better
2017-07-26 13:02 <djphil> and 0 delay of course :p
2017-07-26 13:02 <djphil> 
ACTION dream

2017-07-26 13:03 <Tampa> There already exists a BreakAllLinks so why there is no createlinkset or something is a bit odd
2017-07-26 13:03 <Tampa> wonder what their reason for that was
2017-07-26 13:04 <djphil> opensim is something a bit strange sometimes ...
2017-07-26 13:04 <Tampa> BreakAllLinks is LL though
2017-07-26 13:04 <djphil> true :p
2017-07-26 13:05 <Tampa> LL showing their destructive nature, you can break all links, but can't link all the tings heh
2017-07-26 13:07 <djphil> hehe
2017-07-26 13:08 <Tampa> I never quite understood why the delays were in there and why there is no XEngine config to remove them alltogether
2017-07-26 13:08 <Tampa> NoDelays = TRUE
2017-07-26 13:09 <djphil> Improvment = TRUE
2017-07-26 13:09 <Tampa> heh I do actually use some of them for their delay, though simply for cosmetics
2017-07-26 13:10 <Tampa> If they are really just in code adding a simple if for them should not be too difficult
2017-07-26 13:11 <djphil> Slowing down is not really a problem ...
2017-07-26 13:13 <Tampa> llSetPos to break the sound barrier heh
2017-07-26 13:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #5758 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-26 13:25 <Tampa> Region/ScriptEngine/Shared/Api/Implementation/LSL_Api.cs line 144 protected int m_sleepMsOnCreateLink = 1000;
2017-07-26 13:26 <djphil> Hmmm :s
2017-07-26 13:27 <Tampa> Thats the delay you were talking about right?
2017-07-26 13:27 <djphil> i don't know if is the same
2017-07-26 13:27 <djphil> but probably yes
2017-07-26 13:27 <Tampa> All of the delays are listed in there, could just set them all to 0
2017-07-26 13:28 <Ubit> .. and cry
2017-07-26 13:28 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-26 13:28 <Tampa> I'm tempted to see how much that would actually break
2017-07-26 13:28 <djphil> cry allready ^^
2017-07-26 13:29 <Tampa> If you really need the delay just use llSleep xD
2017-07-26 13:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5758: SUCCESS in 5 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5758/
2017-07-26 13:30 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: only allow pass renovation on the last quarter of parcel pass time. go back to MoneyMove charging method
2017-07-26 13:30 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: do not allow setting land passes on group owned land, because currently we cant give money to the group
2017-07-26 13:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #5759 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-26 13:30 <djphil> use llSleep for cosmetic's too :p
2017-07-26 13:34 <Tampa> Email has a 20 second delay to it
2017-07-26 13:34 <Tampa> I can see why that would make sense heh
2017-07-26 13:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5759: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5759/
2017-07-26 13:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add comments to make that more clear
2017-07-26 13:35 <djphil> you can add more delay for Email via OpenSim.ini (if i reember  right)
2017-07-26 13:37 <Tampa> m_sleepMsOnSetPos = 200; ???
2017-07-26 13:38 <Tampa> I actually ran into that the other day I think
2017-07-26 13:39 <Tampa> I'm of the opinion all of these should really be in the config rather than hardcoded, but well it's easy enough to change and recompile :)
2017-07-26 14:22 <Ubit> hmm going to look for food
2017-07-26 14:22 <Ubit> hmm if i can eat it
2017-07-26 14:24 <Plugh> Speaking of food, I should go get breakfast.
2017-07-26 14:26 <Tampa> Great now I'm hungry too
2017-07-26 14:33 <osmantis> Bug #8216:04 use any pmac enabled stuff and script debug outputs errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8216 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-26 14:44 <Plugh> Tampa: I'm not going to feed you. You will have to find your own food. :)
2017-07-26 14:45 <Tampa> I get no food I'm on diet lol
2017-07-26 14:52 <Plugh> hm... a no food diet? That's a very strict one. :)
2017-07-26 14:54 <Tampa> Sitting in front of the computer all day calls for drastic measures heh
2017-07-26 15:05 <Plugh> indeed
2017-07-26 15:13 <Tampa> bool Sleep = TRUE;
2017-07-26 15:45 <osmantis> Bug #8216:04 use any pmac enabled stuff and script debug outputs errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8216 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-26 15:59 <osmantis> Bug #8216:04 use any pmac enabled stuff and script debug outputs errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8216 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-26 15:59 <osmantis> Bug #8216:04 use any pmac enabled stuff and script debug outputs errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8216 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-07-26 17:15 <osmantis> Bug #8215:04 BuyLandPass will deliver land pass regardless of whether user pays 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8215 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-26 18:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #5760 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-26 18:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5760: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5760/
2017-07-26 18:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add new funtion bool MoveMoney(UUID fromUser, UUID toUser, int amount, MoneyTransactionType type, string text). this should be called async allowing time for money module to process it. If returns true, the transation did sucess, so if its use was to pay something, the payed item/service must be provided without fail, otherwise another method is needed so a refund is possible
2017-07-26 18:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #5761 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-26 18:13 <Ubit>  insuficent funds error message!!! grrr
2017-07-26 18:13 <Ubit> damm chair to keyboard interface..
2017-07-26 18:15 <osmantis> Bug #8215:04 BuyLandPass will deliver land pass regardless of whether user pays 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8215 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-26 18:17 <Ubit> NOW you tell us :p
2017-07-26 18:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5761: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5761/
2017-07-26 18:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  change buypass insuficent funds to make clear that its on that region money system (buypass now uses the new MoveMoney)
2017-07-26 18:18 <BillBlight> Are you talking to jenkins again Ubit?
2017-07-26 18:18 <BillBlight> :P
2017-07-26 18:18 <Ubit> no to plugh
2017-07-26 18:18 <Ubit> he had a function identilcal to the one i added already done
2017-07-26 18:19 <BillBlight> ohhhh
2017-07-26 18:19 <Plugh> I've been sitting on the function not having pushed it because I was worried that Mel was going to come after me for adding an API call.
2017-07-26 18:20 <Ubit> she will come after us.. don't worry :p
2017-07-26 18:20 <Ubit> but its new, and on a new use.. so.. no worries i guess
2017-07-26 18:21 <Plugh> It is a useful call that can be used in several places.
2017-07-26 18:21 <Plugh> Now that you have pushed the API change that I have been sitting on for months I will push my change to the groups module.
2017-07-26 18:21 <Ubit> yeap under the conditions i did said on the commit
2017-07-26 18:21 <Ubit> if is paying something, that must not fail
2017-07-26 18:23 <Plugh> bah. I think Ubits commit has caused a minor merge conflict as he changed the names of the arguments of a couple functions in the SampleMoneyModule.cs file.
2017-07-26 18:24 <Ubit> i didn?t
2017-07-26 18:25 <Ubit> MoveMoney already was fromUser, toUser
2017-07-26 18:31 <Plugh> It wasn't in my version. I think I had C&Ped the other MoveMoney API call in the IMoneyModule.cs file.
2017-07-26 18:32 <Ubit> or something like that
2017-07-26 18:33 <Plugh> I'm going afk to finish my lunch that was interrupted by an online meeting. bbl.
2017-07-26 19:08 <Plugh> great. Fixing the merge conflict just caused me to lose all my uncommited changes. :P
2017-07-26 19:08 <Ubit> outch
2017-07-26 19:10 <Plugh> Have I ever said I don't like git?  grrr...
2017-07-26 19:10 <Plugh> Now I have to remember exactly what the change was to the groups module that handled the charge for group membership fee.
2017-07-26 19:10 <Ubit> hmm
2017-07-26 19:11 <Ubit> you did not commit ?
2017-07-26 19:11 <Ubit> hmm
2017-07-26 19:11 <Ubit> no idea
2017-07-26 19:11 <Ubit> me and git also... well not the best relation :)
2017-07-26 19:12 <Plugh> no. It was changes I had for works in progress.
2017-07-26 19:13 <Ubit> well for that i work on a diferent folder
2017-07-26 19:13 <Plugh> I had the change to groups module, some stuff related to mutelists, and some regression testing code related to vectors.
2017-07-26 19:14 <Ubit> but that also causes other problems
2017-07-26 19:14 <Ubit> like forgetting files on commits etc
2017-07-26 19:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #5762 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-26 19:16 <Plugh> The commit message about the new movemoney module isn't the same as my intention for it. I expect it to try to move the money as soon as it is called. It will only return true if the money was moved successfully. If it couldn't move the money then there should have been no change in anyones funds.
2017-07-26 19:17 <Ubit> and i said diferent ?
2017-07-26 19:19 <Ubit> what i said was that if that money transfer was to pay a something.. doing it must not fail
2017-07-26 19:19 <Plugh> -> add new funtion bool MoveMoney(UUID fromUser, UUID toUser, int amount, MoneyTransactionType type, string text). this should be called async allowing time for money module to process it. If returns true, the transation did sucess, so if its use was to pay something, the payed item/service must be provided without fail, otherwise another method is needed so a refund is possible
2017-07-26 19:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5762: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5762/
2017-07-26 19:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  display remaining pass time in hours, mins or seconds acording to value
2017-07-26 19:20 <Plugh> I'm not sure why you said another method is needed so a refund is possible. The land owner can refund money if needed but then they would need to revoke the land access.
2017-07-26 19:20 <Ubit> yeah if true.. money was transfered
2017-07-26 19:21 <Plugh> It should not return true unless money was transferred
2017-07-26 19:21 <Ubit> and where do i say diferent ?
2017-07-26 19:21 <Ubit> what i say or wanted to say
2017-07-26 19:22 <Ubit> is the was to pay a pass,  the pass must be granted
2017-07-26 19:22 <Ubit> in other code paths, that may not be possible to assure.. so that function is not enough
2017-07-26 19:22 <Plugh> It doesn't need to be called async to process the request if the function doesn't return until after the money move either succeeded or didn't.
2017-07-26 19:23 <Ubit> it does need to be called async
2017-07-26 19:23 <Ubit> money module processing time is unpredictable
2017-07-26 19:28 <Ubit> hmm mb we should add a jobengine for that.. grr
2017-07-26 19:37 <Plugh> that is an implementation detail for the money module to handle.
2017-07-26 19:37 <Plugh> bbl. I need to make a run to the store.
2017-07-26 19:37 <Ubit> not really
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2017-07-27 00:05 <osmantis> Bug #8214:04 BuyLandPass Design decision on MoneyTransferArgs sent to money module - AgentID vs parcel GloebalID 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8214 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-27 00:15 <osmantis> Bug #8214:04 BuyLandPass Design decision on MoneyTransferArgs sent to money module - AgentID vs parcel GloebalID 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8214 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-27 00:46 <osmantis> Bug #8214:04 BuyLandPass Design decision on MoneyTransferArgs sent to money module - AgentID vs parcel GloebalID 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8214 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-27 00:49 <Melanie_T> colosi: a money module is a purposely small but of code
2017-07-27 00:49 <Melanie_T> it's not meant to be an all-encompassing octopus
2017-07-27 00:50 <Melanie_T> anything added to a money module that makes it access things external to it is a security rist 
2017-07-27 00:50 <Melanie_T> risk*
2017-07-27 00:50 <Melanie_T> it's designed to be self-contained and if you want ancillary info to be passed to a website transaction list, use a sidechannel
2017-07-27 00:50 <Melanie_T> again, as I said earlier
2017-07-27 00:51 <Melanie_T> from a certain level if functionality onwards, features are needed for commercial efforts only
2017-07-27 00:51 <Melanie_T> that is one of them
2017-07-27 00:52 <Melanie_T> if you need that functionality, it is likely you need it for a grid that people pay to use and you want to provide proper service to your customers
2017-07-27 00:52 <Melanie_T> and, sorry to say, opensim isn't here to do free work to allow people to earn money
2017-07-27 00:53 <Melanie_T> if you need that type of functionality, there are a number of people who will take contract work to make it happen for you
2017-07-27 00:53 <Melanie_T> opensim core doesn't support commercial level architecture by choice
2017-07-27 00:53 <Melanie_T> if you need that sort of thing, you need to pay someone to make it for you
2017-07-27 01:04 <smxy> ... and we wonder why no one wants to contribute to core anymore ...
2017-07-27 01:05 <colosi> Looking back through the day’s thread.  Not sure if this was answered.  Plugh, regarding “not sure why you said another method is needed so a refund is possible.”  Yes, land owner can refund, but a proper transaction system should roll back the monetary compent when the product delivery fails.  Charging someone for a product you didn’t deliver may technically be illegal.  Ultimately, it’s work the land owner shouldn’t have 
2017-07-27 01:05 <colosi> do if the system knows it failed, but that means the money module needs that info.  In that flow, it doesn’t have it.  That’s why Ubit said the delivery has to succeed.
2017-07-27 01:05 <BillBlight> agreed smxy
2017-07-27 01:06 <Melanie_T> the money module already has a function to support llTransferLindenDollars
2017-07-27 01:06 <Melanie_T> it ha s asuccess/fail indicator
2017-07-27 01:06 <Melanie_T> nothing mor eis neede
2017-07-27 01:07 <colosi> Regarding at least the Gloebit Money Module, we make our transaction calls using async web requests when the flow permits.  So, not sure if it is also needed in the code calling the money module.  Of course, I doubt any other money module uses async calls.
2017-07-27 01:07 <Melanie_T> smxy: core is providing a tremendous amount of work for the community
2017-07-27 01:07 <Melanie_T> it can't be wrong to say that who want s extra features to make money off that work need to pay someone to create them
2017-07-27 01:07 <Melanie_T> we are not here to make others rich without recompense
2017-07-27 01:08 <Melanie_T> opensim doesn't use asunc/await
2017-07-27 01:08 <Melanie_T> our base version is still mono 2.10
2017-07-27 01:08 <colosi> Melanie_T, It would be ideal if the money module were much simpler, but OpenSim’s code was based off of SL which had very different commerce expectations.  Unfortunately, it actually needs to be pretty complex right now.  But, with the right redesigns, eventually it could be much simpler.
2017-07-27 01:08 <Melanie_T> i would move it to monoe 4.0 .net 4.5
2017-07-27 01:08 <Melanie_T> but there is resistance
2017-07-27 01:09 <Melanie_T> colosi: please understand
2017-07-27 01:09 <Melanie_T> we work for the COMMUNITY
2017-07-27 01:09 <smxy> Aside from telling people what they can't do, what do you contribute to OpenSim these days, Melanie? You don't even have a grid anymore. Why do you care?
2017-07-27 01:10 <Melanie_T> that means we explicitly don't work for commercial grids
2017-07-27 01:10 <colosi> Not sure exactly what point you’re making Melanie.  I’ve done all the Gloebit work myself to avoid having core do things.  But if you think that OpenSim core development doesn’t need to respect the needs of it’s current userbase… well, I disagree
2017-07-27 01:10 <Melanie_T> you want commercial level development? pay for it!
2017-07-27 01:10 <Melanie_T> because you plan to make money onit
2017-07-27 01:10 <Melanie_T> can't depend on others making your software for free
2017-07-27 01:10 <colosi> I’ll hop back on this when I get home later.  Need to get to a meeting.  Sorry, going afk.  Apologies for responding and running.
2017-07-27 01:11 <smxy> YOU made money off of OpenSIm, Melanie ...
2017-07-27 01:11 <Melanie_T> yes. and _I_ did the work needed to make that happen, over and above core
2017-07-27 01:11 <Melanie_T> it's not wrong to make money off of opensim
2017-07-27 01:12 <Melanie_T> what is wrong is to expect the opensim core to do all the dev work needed for someone else to make money
2017-07-27 01:12 <Melanie_T> if that work has no community benefit whatsoever
2017-07-27 01:12 <BillBlight> I think what smxy is saying is, if one of the core wants to do it, and wants to do it for free, how does that hurt.  Or is Opensim a dictatorship?
2017-07-27 01:12 <Melanie_T> and most opensim core devs never had a grid
2017-07-27 01:12 <smxy> I'm sure Ubit is a big boy and can determine if he wants to do/support the work.
2017-07-27 01:13 <Melanie_T> if one of core wants to do it for free it win't be rejected
2017-07-27 01:13 <Melanie_T> but no one can force core to work for the profit of someone else
2017-07-27 01:13 <Melanie_T> so no one has a right to demand a commercial feature
2017-07-27 01:14 <smxy> Of course not, and Ubit won't, if he doesn't want to.
2017-07-27 01:14 <Melanie_T> but one can ask
2017-07-27 01:14 <Melanie_T> and someone may step up
2017-07-27 01:14 <BillBlight> I don't agree with you Melanie_T, but I do agree, that it can't be forced , but should not be forced from either side,  outside or inside ..
2017-07-27 01:14 <BillBlight> oops
2017-07-27 01:14 <Melanie_T> what don't you agree with?
2017-07-27 01:14 <BillBlight> I meant to say I don't agree with you OFTEN
2017-07-27 01:14 <BillBlight> not this specifically
2017-07-27 01:15 <Melanie_T> about the only thing i excluded is someone forcing core to work for their own profit
2017-07-27 01:15 <Melanie_T> whats' to disagree?
2017-07-27 01:15 <Melanie_T> are you pro slavery?
2017-07-27 01:15 <BillBlight> I agree you can't force the work for profit, you misunderstood, because I mistyped
2017-07-27 01:15 <smxy> Please explain how ANYONE can "force" core to do ANYTHING.
2017-07-27 01:16 <Melanie_T> ok
2017-07-27 01:16 <Melanie_T> well, lots of ways
2017-07-27 01:17 <Melanie_T> from emotional blackmail through actual blackmail to boduly threats
2017-07-27 01:17 <Melanie_T> bodily*
2017-07-27 01:17 <smxy> bodily? 
2017-07-27 01:18 <smxy> 
ACTION gets out his tinfoil hat

2017-07-27 01:18 <Melanie_T> sure. some core members' home addresses are a matter of record
2017-07-27 01:18 <Melanie_T> i've had credible RL threats
2017-07-27 01:18 <Melanie_T> ayway
2017-07-27 01:18 <BillBlight> What I was trying to say, is in this project, you can't force work for profit from the outside, but you also should not appear to force people to not work and contribute what they want from the inside ... and I know you are a blunt person, and I get that.  But sometimes you come across as , "screw the community you are not getting anything"  ..  Now with that said, I am one of the biggest 
2017-07-27 01:18 <BillBlight> fans of the current .9x code base you will ever find, just ask anybody ... 
2017-07-27 01:18 <Melanie_T> when i speak for core as a group i have to reiterate that core isn't here to implement features that will make someone else money
2017-07-27 01:19 <smxy> I hope you reported them to the authorities.
2017-07-27 01:19 <Melanie_T> it doesn't mean core will as a group block that
2017-07-27 01:19 <Melanie_T> it just means we as a group do not accept any responsibility to implement features at users' deman
2017-07-27 01:19 <Melanie_T> d
2017-07-27 01:19 <Melanie_T> each core member is their own master
2017-07-27 01:20 <Melanie_T> they may decide to do a certain feature
2017-07-27 01:20 <Melanie_T> and they are free to commit it unless it breaks project architecture
2017-07-27 01:20 <Melanie_T> that is where I step inand stop it
2017-07-27 01:20 <Melanie_T> but i dont' stop the feature as such
2017-07-27 01:20 <Melanie_T> just the way they try to do it
2017-07-27 01:20 <Melanie_T> most often i can point out an architecture conformant way of doing it
2017-07-27 01:21 <Melanie_T> sometines the community needs to be asked
2017-07-27 01:21 <Melanie_T> liek on estates today
2017-07-27 01:21 <Melanie_T> one of the things i got out of that was a way to do this
2017-07-27 01:21 <Melanie_T> and finally solve this 5 year old annoyance
2017-07-27 01:21 <Melanie_T> of not being able to preconfigure the initial estate
2017-07-27 01:22 <smxy> What about estates? I'm a member of the community (8 years) didn't see or hear anything. :)
2017-07-27 01:22 <Melanie_T> smxy: see above :)
2017-07-27 01:22 <BillBlight> we talked about that a while back smxy
2017-07-27 01:22 <Melanie_T> today a member of the public pointed out a way to do it
2017-07-27 01:22 <smxy> I have not read today's scroll.
2017-07-27 01:23 <BillBlight> being able to configure estates headless without having to answer questions at the console when you add a new region
2017-07-27 01:23 <Plugh> Melanie_T: Pointed out a way to do what, re: estates?
2017-07-27 01:23 <Melanie_T> not to have opensim ask questions
2017-07-27 01:23 <Melanie_T> schema goes like this
2017-07-27 01:23 <Melanie_T> estate info on regions.ini
2017-07-27 01:23 <Melanie_T> used to create new estate
2017-07-27 01:23 <smxy> ah, yes. We did talk about that, NBill
2017-07-27 01:23 <Melanie_T> if local, and that info is changed, alter estate
2017-07-27 01:23 <Melanie_T> if remote, barf
2017-07-27 01:23 <Melanie_T> with a descriptive info
2017-07-27 01:24 <Plugh> Yes. I suggested the idea of putting some estate info in to Regions.ini
2017-07-27 01:24 <Plugh> The question was how much info should be in there.
2017-07-27 01:24 <Melanie_T> telling the user to remove the estate info because remote estates can't be changed once created
2017-07-27 01:24 <Melanie_T> that is a matter for another discussion
2017-07-27 01:25 <Melanie_T> but a way forward has been pointed out
2017-07-27 01:25 <Melanie_T> the rest is details
2017-07-27 01:26 <Melanie_T> i'm sorry that i make people feel like i'm opensim's wet blanket
2017-07-27 01:26 <Melanie_T> i'm not
2017-07-27 01:26 <Melanie_T> i'm just a guardian 
2017-07-27 01:26 <Melanie_T> at some point that mantle will pass to someone else but right now it's mine
2017-07-27 01:26 <smxy> You are ONE of it's guardians
2017-07-27 01:27 <OtakuMegane> Guardian means sometimes you have to play the wet blanket to prevent fires. :)
2017-07-27 01:27 <Melanie_T> right now, THE one
2017-07-27 01:27 <Melanie_T> but tbh
2017-07-27 01:27 <Melanie_T> ubit is shaping up fine to be my successor at some point
2017-07-27 01:27 <smxy> Ubit is a core dev. Does that not make him one as well?
2017-07-27 01:27 <Melanie_T> there is always only one 
2017-07-27 01:28 <Plugh> 
ACTION thinks Highlander

2017-07-27 01:28 <Melanie_T> all core helps but there is one architect
2017-07-27 01:28 <Plugh> "There can be only one"  ;)
2017-07-27 01:28 <Melanie_T> i've brought ubit into core
2017-07-27 01:28 <Melanie_T> and i always thought diva would be my successor
2017-07-27 01:28 <Melanie_T> but she's off doing ivory tower things
2017-07-27 01:29 <Melanie_T> but ubit is doing well, has gained understanding of the depths of the codebase
2017-07-27 01:29 <Melanie_T> there will be a time when i step back
2017-07-27 01:29 <Plugh> oh, good. I found another branch of code I have on my machine that still has the changes I made to GroupsModule.cs
2017-07-27 01:29 <Melanie_T> my life is busy
2017-07-27 01:29 <Melanie_T> but that time isn't quite yet
2017-07-27 01:30 <Melanie_T> it won't be until i have no more grids to run
2017-07-27 01:30 <Melanie_T> and right now i run three
2017-07-27 01:30 <Melanie_T> i don't need to headline to perform
2017-07-27 01:30 <OtakuMegane> I need to start peeking around now that I have more time. Sadly my C# knowledge is novice at best still but enough to start puzzling out small things or chase down a mantis or two.
2017-07-27 01:31 <smxy> Mine too, OtakuMegane
2017-07-27 01:31 <Melanie_T> OtakuMegane: the path to enlightenment is thus
2017-07-27 01:31 <Melanie_T> study the core
2017-07-27 01:31 <Melanie_T> find the minimal change set
2017-07-27 01:31 <Melanie_T> submit it
2017-07-27 01:31 <Melanie_T> be on IRC at least 8 hours per day
2017-07-27 01:32 <Melanie_T> and take guidance from your mentor
2017-07-27 01:32 <Melanie_T> whoever you choose
2017-07-27 01:32 <Plugh> I have too many other projects and interests to spend time studying the core.
2017-07-27 01:32 <Melanie_T> i was diva's mentor
2017-07-27 01:32 <Melanie_T> and ubit's too
2017-07-27 01:32 <Melanie_T> Plugh: the core isn't for everyone :)
2017-07-27 01:32 <smxy> Speaking of Diva being off in RL land....who is going to make releases? 
2017-07-27 01:33 <smxy> Somene responsible needs to be doing this.
2017-07-27 01:33 <Melanie_T> that is why there isn't a 0.9 release 
2017-07-27 01:33 <Plugh> I've gotten to where I can find my way around it for a number of things that interest me.
2017-07-27 01:33 <Melanie_T> the code is ready
2017-07-27 01:33 <Melanie_T> releases have to be bult on windows 7
2017-07-27 01:33 <Melanie_T> and i don't use windows
2017-07-27 01:33 <smxy> Yes, so if she isn't going to do it, who will?
2017-07-27 01:34 <Melanie_T> we need to poke her divaness
2017-07-27 01:34 <smxy> This project needs a responsible person in charge of releases who will do them in a timely fashion.
2017-07-27 01:34 <Plugh> Two meetings people have asked about when 0.9 will be released. I've asked three times for comments about a release of 0.9 in the core group and never seen a response. I was going to send an email to core asking again.
2017-07-27 01:34 <Melanie_T> and if she won't do it, at least she needs to outline the release procedure so another windows user can do it
2017-07-27 01:34 <Melanie_T> ubit is on windows
2017-07-27 01:35 <Melanie_T> the issue is that some of our code, compiled with mono, won't run right on windows
2017-07-27 01:35 <smxy> Why must it specifically be "7"?
2017-07-27 01:35 <Melanie_T> but all code compiled on windows runs right on mono
2017-07-27 01:36 <Plugh> bah! I called applycharge in the groups module which doesn't return whether the charge was applied or not.
2017-07-27 01:36 <Melanie_T> and compiling it on win10 means ti won't run on win7
2017-07-27 01:36 <Melanie_T> and people apparently still use mono 2.10 and windows 7
2017-07-27 01:36 <Melanie_T> so lowest common denomninator says windows 7 is the platform
2017-07-27 01:37 <smxy> Does it have to be made by a member of Vore, or would doing it under their supervision be sufficient?
2017-07-27 01:37 <Melanie_T> i don't know the settings
2017-07-27 01:37 <smxy> I *am* a Systems Admin. I could set up the appropriate environment and follow the procedures.
2017-07-27 01:37 <Plugh> The person who knows the procedure should document it.
2017-07-27 01:37 <Melanie_T> Plugh: there is a metod isChargeCovered or somesuch
2017-07-27 01:37 <Melanie_T> you need to use it to preflight your chage call
2017-07-27 01:38 <Melanie_T> Plugh: that be diva
2017-07-27 01:38 <smxy> Yes, I agree. I'm just asking if, once documented, does it HAVE to be done by a member of Core, or could I do it, when told to do so?
2017-07-27 01:38 <OtakuMegane> Documentation would be good. Ideally there should be more than one who is capable of it so we don't run into a situation like now.
2017-07-27 01:39 <Melanie_T> it should be a core member
2017-07-27 01:39 <Plugh> There is a call AmountCovered which checks that the payment could be made. The other calls assume that the transfer completes successfully.
2017-07-27 01:39 <Melanie_T> but of none are wiling and able i for one would accept a 3rd party release package
2017-07-27 01:39 <Melanie_T> Plugh: use that to preflight your chareg
2017-07-27 01:39 <smxy> Fine. Make me a core member whose ONLY allowed function is to cut releases when told to.
2017-07-27 01:40 <Melanie_T> then you can assume your following call will succeed
2017-07-27 01:40 <Plugh> preflight??
2017-07-27 01:40 <BillBlight> There are a lot of people with great knowledge that want to help but we often feel like we are kicked to the curb becase we are not CORE, why would you discount knonwledge that way ... I'm just curious
2017-07-27 01:40 <Melanie_T> BillBlight: the way to gain enightenment is to submit patches
2017-07-27 01:41 <Melanie_T> we do take them, you know?
2017-07-27 01:41 <smxy> I *think* he was referring to my offer to be responsible for releases.
2017-07-27 01:41 <Melanie_T> it allows us to judge if a person knows the code or not
2017-07-27 01:41 <BillBlight> It is not just coders that should be considered CORE, that is an issue, a lot of dev teams have testers, server admins, and others that are considered CORE memebers, not just the code monkeys
2017-07-27 01:41 <Plugh> Have it apply the charge then do a rollback to know that the transaction could go through? I still don't think that guarantees that something won't go wrong during the actual real move of funds.
2017-07-27 01:41 <Melanie_T> code talks, bull,,,, get my drift?
2017-07-27 01:42 <Melanie_T> Plugh: Call amountcovered
2017-07-27 01:42 <Melanie_T> if it returns true, do your charge
2017-07-27 01:42 <Melanie_T> assume it succeeded
2017-07-27 01:42 <BillBlight> Problem is you come off a lot as YOU are the only one NOT bullshiting ... and that is often not the case ... 
2017-07-27 01:42 <BillBlight> (just an observation)
2017-07-27 01:43 <Melanie_T> seeing that i wrote a significant portion of today's opensim, i think i know the code
2017-07-27 01:43 <Melanie_T> so i know i'm not bullshitting
2017-07-27 01:43 <Plugh> That's the problem. I don't like assuming it succeeded. I want to know it did. If its just play money, np it doesn't matter that much. For a grid with a real economy tied to RL currency you want to know funds really did get transferred.
2017-07-27 01:43 <BillBlight> but that does not mean t hat everyone else is either
2017-07-27 01:43 <Plugh> That's why I was suggesting a new MoveMoney API call that returned a boolean.
2017-07-27 01:44 <smxy> What does knowing the code have to do with a release manager building and cutting release at the direction of the developers who do know the code and thus when a release should be cut?
2017-07-27 01:44 <Melanie_T> Plugh: MoveMoney was originally meant to be implemented async
2017-07-27 01:44 <Melanie_T> that was derailed in some way before my time
2017-07-27 01:45 <Melanie_T> at this point some money systems, like dtl/nsl, need to do this async
2017-07-27 01:45 <Plugh> If it was done async wouldn't it need a callback to indicate when the transfer attempt was complete and if it was successful?
2017-07-27 01:45 <Melanie_T> what it lacks is a callback
2017-07-27 01:45 <Melanie_T> the money module arch dates back to 2009
2017-07-27 01:46 <Melanie_T> when teravus and i hased it out
2017-07-27 01:46 <Melanie_T> it really needs a revamp
2017-07-27 01:46 <Melanie_T> smxy: that was a response to bcoming core
2017-07-27 01:47 <Melanie_T> core would have to vote on whether to create a release manager position or not
2017-07-27 01:47 <smxy> And I think Bill's response to that was quite appropriate. Core should, no, needs, to be more than just developers.
2017-07-27 01:47 <Melanie_T> nebadon is core
2017-07-27 01:48 <Melanie_T> he's a sysadmin
2017-07-27 01:48 <Melanie_T> not a dev
2017-07-27 01:48 <Melanie_T> not a commit to his name
2017-07-27 01:48 <Plugh> I was just thinking of him
2017-07-27 01:48 <Melanie_T> but he gives input on real life running of opensim
2017-07-27 01:48 <BillBlight> I will say this to add to what smxy said, developers are not all coders and not all coders are developers, there are many more things to a proper proect than JUST the coding ..
2017-07-27 01:48 <smxy> There needs to be numerous, non-developer members of Core.
2017-07-27 01:48 <Melanie_T> no
2017-07-27 01:48 <BillBlight> ohh typed that before saw the comments about neb
2017-07-27 01:48 <smxy> Responsible for various functions other than code development.
2017-07-27 01:48 <Melanie_T> there needs to be an extended core
2017-07-27 01:49 <Melanie_T> including supporting roles
2017-07-27 01:49 <Melanie_T> but those would not have a vote on coding decisions
2017-07-27 01:49 <Melanie_T> neb has susch a vote by default but never uses it
2017-07-27 01:49 <Plugh> I'm a developer but I don't do very much code work for OpenSim. What I work on is usually features I would like to have for a grid I help run.
2017-07-27 01:49 <smxy> I don't give a hoot what you want to call it. But it needs to be done if this project is to thrive.
2017-07-27 01:49 <Melanie_T> in deference to him not being a coder
2017-07-27 01:50 <Melanie_T> smxy: i agree that OS needs to restructure
2017-07-27 01:50 <smxy> I would not presume to have a vote aon code as I am not a coder.
2017-07-27 01:50 <Melanie_T> we're so close to 1.0 i can taste it
2017-07-27 01:50 <BillBlight> See that is an issue Melanie_T, sometimes the coders are too close to the code, and need end-user perspective, from 25+ years in Telecommunication system administration, the coders don't always no best ..
2017-07-27 01:50 <Melanie_T> and it will need work
2017-07-27 01:50 <smxy> Well, not a C# coder, at least.
2017-07-27 01:50 <BillBlight> *know
2017-07-27 01:50 <Melanie_T> BillBlight: coders know best on code architecture
2017-07-27 01:51 <BillBlight> yes but they may not know best on how it is being used Melanie_T
2017-07-27 01:51 <Melanie_T> any attempts at imposing ode strutcure from the business layer has resulted only in dead comapnies
2017-07-27 01:51 <Plugh> Hm... close to 1.0 when there is talk of need to restructure (or overhaul) OS, the money system, and the scripting engine.
2017-07-27 01:51 <Melanie_T> BillBlight: i'm in a unique position. in my current role i'm a tech lead
2017-07-27 01:52 <Melanie_T> i need to control the run of a new tech dev for a major worlkdwide company
2017-07-27 01:52 <Melanie_T> and i need to sell it to the biz arm
2017-07-27 01:52 <Melanie_T> i know what you mean
2017-07-27 01:52 <OtakuMegane> COnsidering OS has been in development for a decade or so, even another 1-2 years to 1.0 isn't terribly long in relative terms.
2017-07-27 01:52 <Melanie_T> sometimes biz will rule over tech
2017-07-27 01:52 <Melanie_T> sometimes the other way around
2017-07-27 01:53 <Tampa> You do not run any software firm just leaving the decisions to the coders, I can understand that like many you don't want some idiot manager telling you what to do, but people here are not idiots, most have years of experience with Opensim, some have degrees in the field even, you are throwing away valuable input if don't at least listen to their point of view, you don't have to agree with it, but at least listen.
2017-07-27 01:53 <BillBlight> Don't you think that is kind of a conflict of interest, someone that is looking at the $$$$$ to be leading a opensource project?  Maybe I am reading that wrong
2017-07-27 01:53 <Melanie_T> Plugh: not the code but the org
2017-07-27 01:53 <Melanie_T> to be ready for 1.0 GA
2017-07-27 01:53 <Plugh> biz can say what it thinks it needs but it shouldn't dictate how the code should be written to get what biz needs.
2017-07-27 01:53 <BillBlight> from either side Plugh
2017-07-27 01:54 <Melanie_T> so as we near 1.0, we need ancillary roles
2017-07-27 01:54 <Melanie_T> release managers and clustomer support
2017-07-27 01:54 <Melanie_T> but that also needs to be paid
2017-07-27 01:54 <BillBlight> Just because you can make money off of a new feature by selling it is not a reason for a dev to not add it, and that is the feeling I am getting 
2017-07-27 01:54 <Tampa> BillBlight it is a conflict of interest to run an opensource project with the premise of it remaining nonprofit if you also sell parts and additions to it. Its also not right in my book to refuse input on the premise of being a commercial user of OpenSim when oneself is in the same boat.
2017-07-27 01:54 <Melanie_T> so funding is rquired to achieve that step
2017-07-27 01:55 <Melanie_T> Tampa: All we ay is that we as a group refuse to do work-on-demand to implement features only commercial users would need
2017-07-27 01:55 <Melanie_T> without being paid
2017-07-27 01:56 <Melanie_T> no free rides here
2017-07-27 01:56 <Tampa> So you are saying if I would like a feature that most people agree should have been in by default I would have to pay you for it
2017-07-27 01:56 <smxy> Melanie_T: I thinky you sell people short. I'd bet there are numerous talented and skilled people who would work on this project, for free, if you didn;t act like you woned the thing and that only you were allowed to decide anythiing significant about it or its future.
2017-07-27 01:56 <smxy> owned*
2017-07-27 01:56 <Melanie_T> Tampa: not me. i'm full up, not taking contracts at this time
2017-07-27 01:56 <BillBlight> I hate to agree with you smxy, but I agree
2017-07-27 01:57 <Melanie_T> but of you want to make money off opensim, you will have to pay SOMEONE to do that for you, or do it yourself
2017-07-27 01:57 <Melanie_T> no one in cre is your slave
2017-07-27 01:57 <Tampa> So then what, just donate to core and hope someone will do it. Heck for that I can ask someone I know will do it and just provide the finished product to core.
2017-07-27 01:58 <BillBlight> Melanie_T, sometimes you act like adding a feature that both FREE and COMMERCIAL users want, the free users should suffer 
2017-07-27 01:58 <Melanie_T> smxy: I don't. i guard agains tries to break the architecture because there would be hell to pay if someone did
2017-07-27 01:58 <OtakuMegane> Offer someone in core pay to do it. Hire someone else to do it and have a core dev look it over. Write it yourself and submit it as patch(es).
2017-07-27 01:58 <Melanie_T> BillBlight: No. I don't block any feature. i just say, develop it, submit it. we will NOT do it for you
2017-07-27 01:59 <BillBlight> Just becasue it is wanted by a commercial entity , does not autmatically mean it is a bad idea ..  
2017-07-27 01:59 <Melanie_T> then that entity needs to develop and donate it
2017-07-27 02:00 <Melanie_T> bit demand we do it
2017-07-27 02:00 <smxy> But you may then reject it. And they will have wated their time, effort and money on producing something for nothing. Coolaboration, to ensure that the change WILL be accepted, when complete, ewould encourage people to do what you ask. 
2017-07-27 02:00 <Melanie_T> not demand we do it
2017-07-27 02:00 <BillBlight> I think you always confuse requests with demands, and that is a bad idea, everyone is not you
2017-07-27 02:00 <Melanie_T> look at our history
2017-07-27 02:00 <Melanie_T> we dont' reject out of hand 
2017-07-27 02:00 <Melanie_T> we offer guidance on hot to reshape it to fit
2017-07-27 02:00 <BillBlight> really
2017-07-27 02:00 <Plugh> smxy: If someone wants to work on something and wants to know if we might accept it they can discuss the issue before they start the work.
2017-07-27 02:00 <Melanie_T> how*
2017-07-27 02:01 <Melanie_T> BillBlight: any request to use to develop a commerical-only feature is a demand, really
2017-07-27 02:01 <smxy> How well did that work with the MOSES folks, Plugh?
2017-07-27 02:01 <Melanie_T> you want to make money, we are to make it possible
2017-07-27 02:01 <Melanie_T> so not happening not on my watch
2017-07-27 02:01 <BillBlight> where did mumble support go? I know that is a much requested feature ..
2017-07-27 02:02 <Tampa> I never demanded anything, I merely suggested something and that is what most people do. They say "hey this would be useful to have dont you think?", but cores answer is always no and dont tell me it has not been this way, I been here 7+ years now. Every time some submitted something good it was thrown out, they had to fork and show that it was possible and worked well before core even took a look at it. Must I list all the times this 
2017-07-27 02:02 <Tampa> has happened. Remember mega-regions?
2017-07-27 02:02 <Plugh> smxy: I think that was partly based on how the MOSES people went about making the changes they wanted to make.
2017-07-27 02:02 <OtakuMegane> One of the few things I've actually submitted was some fixes for the IRC module a while back. Ubit helped rework some of it before it was committed but it wasn't rejected.
2017-07-27 02:02 <Melanie_T> Tampa: you did make the first workable suggestion about estate loading
2017-07-27 02:02 <Melanie_T> it will happen
2017-07-27 02:03 <Melanie_T> after 5 years, you did point out the path
2017-07-27 02:03 <Melanie_T> we utterly reject moses outright
2017-07-27 02:04 <Melanie_T> they got into bed with halcyon wich makes them anathema here
2017-07-27 02:04 <smxy> No, you didn't. You took a bunch of stuff and then when you wouldn;t take more, THEN they went to Halcyon.
2017-07-27 02:05 <Melanie_T> like them - go to their chat - wait, they dont't have one because they don't want to listen to non-us-citizens
2017-07-27 02:05 <Melanie_T> smxy: they were DESPERATE to hire talent
2017-07-27 02:05 <BillBlight> You realize centralized estate manangement of regions in robust mode has worked since .8x right .... so adding info to pull from region files is not a great leam of thinking
2017-07-27 02:05 <Melanie_T> several people from outside the US offered
2017-07-27 02:05 <Melanie_T> none were considered
2017-07-27 02:06 <Melanie_T> because the core of moses is secret, noforn
2017-07-27 02:06 <Melanie_T> so, us born only
2017-07-27 02:06 <Melanie_T> disclaimer: i dodn't offer
2017-07-27 02:07 <Melanie_T> didn't
2017-07-27 02:07 <Plugh> Bill, I wasn't suggesting that Regions.ini should have the information to create an estate. That is one option but it could be helpful to just state what estate a new region should be part of when it is first started up. That avoids the region not starting because OpenSim is waiting to know what estate to use for the region.
2017-07-27 02:08 <BillBlight> And just today, I got headless additions of regions and estates working without modifying any code, just inluding the proper ini sections, if these options were added AS IS to be read from a region file, we would have headless addition of regions and estates ..  
2017-07-27 02:08 <BillBlight> and it works for joining exisiting estates as well
2017-07-27 02:09 <Melanie_T> BillBlight: create a mantis issue
2017-07-27 02:09 <Melanie_T> attach the pathch
2017-07-27 02:09 <BillBlight> there is no patch
2017-07-27 02:09 <smxy> I need to feed my diabetic cat and give hm his insulin shot. Back in a few minutes.
2017-07-27 02:09 <Plugh> Document the information (ie. create a wiki page?)
2017-07-27 02:10 <BillBlight> works as is, just needs to be added to be read from the region ini file, but I can create a mantis on how I did it later, and include a proposed addition .. 
2017-07-27 02:11 <Plugh> I should get back to working on the program for a microcontroller. I need to get a timing issue worked out in some interrupt handlers.
2017-07-27 02:11 <BillBlight> right now just include an Include-Common with a file that has the needed [Estates] entries to the instance, and all regions join/create the needed estate
2017-07-27 02:12 <BillBlight> of course the way it is currently is all regions in the instance join that estate, but one region per instance is better anyway , IMHO
2017-07-27 02:13 <Tampa> For performance yes, but simulator overhead while small does add up after like 40 instances heh
2017-07-27 02:14 <BillBlight> that is true, so if the instance was made to read those two entries from the region ini as an override, bam it works
2017-07-27 02:15 <Melanie_T> BillBlight: in order for your wor to be cinsidered it needs to be in git format-patch format
2017-07-27 02:15 <BillBlight> but it is not a patc
2017-07-27 02:15 <BillBlight> h
2017-07-27 02:15 <BillBlight> the way I am doing it now
2017-07-27 02:15 <Melanie_T> what is it?
2017-07-27 02:16 <BillBlight> requires NO changes to the code
2017-07-27 02:16 <Tampa> Well the idea is that if you have central estates, you supply the region with an EstateID to join. If you do not supply that you add the EstateName and Owner and it will use the remote connector to add the estate that way. If you later change the config and a conflict arises you prompt for user action either to join a different estate or create another one with the desired name and owner. If you dont answer either leave the instance 
2017-07-27 02:16 <Tampa> running or timeout after 60 seconds.
2017-07-27 02:17 <Tampa> This also works for standalones and local estates, all it really offers is full preconfiguration of any OpenSim instance without user interaction to setup estates.
2017-07-27 02:17 <BillBlight> In the [Estates] section of the opensim.ini you have these two options ...	[Estates]
2017-07-27 02:17 <BillBlight>     DefaultEstateName = 
2017-07-27 02:17 <BillBlight>     DefaultEstateOwnerName =
2017-07-27 02:17 <Melanie_T> so post that to the wiki
2017-07-27 02:17 <Melanie_T> job done
2017-07-27 02:17 <BillBlight> if you simply do a Include-Common = config-include/Estate.ini, witht he appropriate options it works
2017-07-27 02:18 <BillBlight> What Tamp and I both want is for those options to also be read from the regions.ini as overrides
2017-07-27 02:18 <Melanie_T> k
2017-07-27 02:18 <Melanie_T> i c
2017-07-27 02:18 <Melanie_T> submit a mantis
2017-07-27 02:18 <Melanie_T> and provide the code
2017-07-27 02:18 <BillBlight> and when using centralized estate management , it creates the estate on the robust server
2017-07-27 02:19 <Melanie_T> which may not allow it
2017-07-27 02:19 <Melanie_T> so that needs to be covered
2017-07-27 02:19 <Tampa> Well if it doesnt, give an error :)
2017-07-27 02:19 <Melanie_T> yup
2017-07-27 02:19 <BillBlight> well if centralized estate manangement is not on, it is created locally in the local instance sqllite
2017-07-27 02:19 <Melanie_T> that is covring it
2017-07-27 02:20 <Melanie_T> one thing
2017-07-27 02:20 <Melanie_T> you're probably thinking the core services are what people run
2017-07-27 02:20 <Melanie_T> it's not tru
2017-07-27 02:20 <Melanie_T> most grids don't run the core estate system
2017-07-27 02:20 <Melanie_T> no grid i an involved with runs any core money
2017-07-27 02:21 <BillBlight> Most grids, free or otherwise, have been using cenralized estate manangement, IF they don't allow connected regions
2017-07-27 02:21 <Melanie_T> most dont' run core assets
2017-07-27 02:21 <BillBlight> I think you are wrong about that, but we can agree to disagree
2017-07-27 02:21 <Melanie_T> BillBlight: true but they have their own centralized asset system
2017-07-27 02:21 <Tampa> Open grids certainly dont yes, some closed ones do, most commercial do, but its also helpful for just any standalone or simualator since you dont have to go to the console to do anything.
2017-07-27 02:21 <BillBlight> yep as I do
2017-07-27 02:21 <Melanie_T> and some don't allow regions to create things
2017-07-27 02:21 <BillBlight> correct
2017-07-27 02:22 <BillBlight> but it still works by creating it in the local sqllite
2017-07-27 02:22 <Tampa> People shy away from that for fear of breaking their simulators so preconfiguration would allow them to just run it out of the box
2017-07-27 02:22 <Melanie_T> erm
2017-07-27 02:22 <Melanie_T> no
2017-07-27 02:22 <BillBlight> betcha
2017-07-27 02:22 <Melanie_T> in a proper run grid
2017-07-27 02:22 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-27 02:22 <BillBlight> :P
2017-07-27 02:22 <Melanie_T> no region has any local storage
2017-07-27 02:22 <BillBlight> I am just being cheeky now
2017-07-27 02:23 <Melanie_T> the world has changed
2017-07-27 02:23 <Melanie_T> avination still ran regions on the metal
2017-07-27 02:23 <BillBlight> None of my regions have local storage
2017-07-27 02:24 <BillBlight> I have 7 real iron servers that run my grid, no vm's here, not a big grid but some real nice harware pushing it
2017-07-27 02:24 <Melanie_T> but the modern grids now run regions in docker containers controlled by kubernetes
2017-07-27 02:24 <Melanie_T> hosted in the cloud
2017-07-27 02:24 <BillBlight> and not a fan of that
2017-07-27 02:24 <BillBlight> I am a fan of real iron
2017-07-27 02:24 <BillBlight> old school data center guy
2017-07-27 02:25 <Melanie_T> means you're one of adying breed
2017-07-27 02:25 <BillBlight> and they will pry it from my cold dead hands
2017-07-27 02:25 <Melanie_T> it's all appliances these days
2017-07-27 02:25 <BillBlight> but that does not mean that it HAS to be that, that is just bowing to the people who want cheap and easy
2017-07-27 02:26 <Melanie_T> so with simulators and regions bing transient
2017-07-27 02:26 <Melanie_T> the concept of local storage is going away
2017-07-27 02:26 <Melanie_T> i run the grids i do still run on the metal
2017-07-27 02:26 <BillBlight> I know from what I suggested, and I know from what Tampa wanted, transient is not even a word we want to use
2017-07-27 02:26 <Melanie_T> but i run a private cloud on top
2017-07-27 02:27 <Melanie_T> corosync/pacemaker
2017-07-27 02:27 <Melanie_T> controlling the metal
2017-07-27 02:27 <BillBlight> I have a vm server I use for testing and for loaning machines to poor portuguese guys
2017-07-27 02:27 <Ubit> hmmm??
2017-07-27 02:27 <Melanie_T> then running odcker and some system services in containers
2017-07-27 02:27 <BillBlight> got his attention
2017-07-27 02:27 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-27 02:27 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-27 02:27 <Melanie_T> then running a metal version of kubernetes
2017-07-27 02:27 <Melanie_T> that the runs the regions
2017-07-27 02:28 <Melanie_T> you're not bribing a core member, are you?!?!?!? :)
2017-07-27 02:28 <Ubit> uff it is not metal.. its high K silicon guys 
2017-07-27 02:29 <BillBlight> Bribery is the sincerest form of flattery .... that is what  mom told me
2017-07-27 02:29 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-07-27 02:30 <Melanie_T> that was imitation
2017-07-27 02:30 <Melanie_T> she got it wrong
2017-07-27 02:30 <BillBlight> Helping out in anyway I can, is my only goal
2017-07-27 02:30 <Melanie_T> i'm not the guardian of cre members' finances
2017-07-27 02:31 <Melanie_T> just of core architecture
2017-07-27 02:31 <BillBlight> You will find very few people who love opensim as much as I do, I have been hanging around much longer than any know ... And you can asked these guys here now, I am a opensim junkie
2017-07-27 02:31 <BillBlight> I defend it with everything I have, when needed
2017-07-27 02:31 <smxy> 
ACTION mumbles about the damn crack addicts ...

2017-07-27 02:32 <smxy> :p
2017-07-27 02:32 <BillBlight> 
ACTION resembles that remark

2017-07-27 02:32 <smxy> Well, I've been hanging out in here for 8 years, so I think I resemble it too.
2017-07-27 02:33 <BillBlight> I'm disabled, this is my world, this is my life, I make enough money renting regions to pay for the servers, so even though technically I am commercial, it is only so the grid can be bigger, not to make me rich ..
2017-07-27 02:33 <smxy> And I've watched Melanie pretty much scare away everyone and anyone who wanted to help.
2017-07-27 02:33 <BillBlight> I think I am almost breaking even
2017-07-27 02:33 <BillBlight> that is true smxy
2017-07-27 02:34 <Melanie_T> really now?
2017-07-27 02:34 <Melanie_T> i just set the height of the bar
2017-07-27 02:34 <BillBlight> You are a the grumpy german lady Melanie_T
2017-07-27 02:34 <Melanie_T> on my watch 5 peopel joined core
2017-07-27 02:34 <Melanie_T> can't say i am a refusenik
2017-07-27 02:35 <BillBlight> Just because some of us understand does not mean you don't scare the kids and small animals, 
2017-07-27 02:35 <BillBlight> Understand does not always equal agreement
2017-07-27 02:35 <Melanie_T> why? because i refuse to let mantis be used as a forum?
2017-07-27 02:35 <BillBlight> oh no I like that part
2017-07-27 02:35 <BillBlight> even though I have had my hand smacked
2017-07-27 02:35 <Melanie_T> we don' have a forum bychoice
2017-07-27 02:36 <Melanie_T> forums attract flamewars and trolls
2017-07-27 02:36 <Melanie_T> so we don't bother
2017-07-27 02:36 <Melanie_T> chat us up here
2017-07-27 02:36 <Tampa> Is there a template for how to write a feature request properly?
2017-07-27 02:36 <smxy> That's what competent moderators are for.
2017-07-27 02:36 <Melanie_T> no one here has time to moderate a forum
2017-07-27 02:36 <Melanie_T> so we chose not to have one
2017-07-27 02:37 <Tampa> I do, well not alone, but I'm home 24/7
2017-07-27 02:37 <Melanie_T> Tampa: no. but anything with a ptahc attached that fits current head will be considered
2017-07-27 02:37 <smxy> You haven't asked for any volunteers either. Again, why the frak does it always have to be "someone here"? Again with you controlling everything.
2017-07-27 02:38 <Tampa> Well I don't have a patch, this was more for that estate flow that I describe to it can be referenced and discussed
2017-07-27 02:38 <BillBlight> ok just like our discussion here, you told me "PUT IT IN A PATCH, AND IT MUST BE IN PROPER PATCH FORMAT" or something like that, first off , it was not a patch, second, some people have good ideas but don't know how to be the CODER ... Great ideas don't always come from the minds of coders, and rather than smacking them down instantly, consider it and tell them why it will or will not work 
2017-07-27 02:38 <BillBlight> .. I know sounds like babysitting, but this is an opensource project, you get all kinds ...
2017-07-27 02:38 <Tampa> Should I put that somewhere else?
2017-07-27 02:38 <Melanie_T> submissions without pathces, sorry, may be discussed but will be discarded
2017-07-27 02:38 <BillBlight> yep
2017-07-27 02:38 <BillBlight> that is exactly what I was talking about
2017-07-27 02:39 <smxy> You way or the highway is a shitty attitude, if you ask me.
2017-07-27 02:39 <BillBlight> yep
2017-07-27 02:39 <smxy> Your way ...
2017-07-27 02:39 <Tampa> So where should I put what you described as "first working suggestion for estates" then?
2017-07-27 02:39 <Melanie_T> a discussion without a patch is utimately a request and MAY be a demand for core to ceda a patch
2017-07-27 02:39 <smxy> Oh, boo fucking hoo, Melanie.
2017-07-27 02:39 <Melanie_T> create*
2017-07-27 02:39 <smxy> Chrust
2017-07-27 02:39 <smxy> Christ*
2017-07-27 02:40 <BillBlight> Maybe you should let the whole core decide that rather than smakcing stuff away on your own attitude ..
2017-07-27 02:40 <Melanie_T> i'm no the only one reading mantis
2017-07-27 02:41 <Melanie_T> so try to find takers
2017-07-27 02:41 <BillBlight> we know that, but you seem to be the one making the rules
2017-07-27 02:41 <Melanie_T> but if it's more than just merging a pathch
2017-07-27 02:41 <Melanie_T> i don't see much happening
2017-07-27 02:41 <Melanie_T> no rules
2017-07-27 02:41 <Tampa> So where should those feature requests go then?
2017-07-27 02:41 <Melanie_T> mantis
2017-07-27 02:41 <BillBlight> But if it is more than just merging a patc, maybe one of the devs has their own brain, their own life, and might want to work on it regardless of what Melanie_T says ..
2017-07-27 02:41 <Melanie_T> just dont' expect them to get done
2017-07-27 02:42 <Melanie_T> without bakseesh
2017-07-27 02:42 <Melanie_T> baksheesh
2017-07-27 02:42 <smxy> try again :)
2017-07-27 02:42 <BillBlight> I don't think we expect them to get DONE at that moment, but also to not get disounted just because Melanie_T did not like the format
2017-07-27 02:43 <Tampa> So I can submit feature request and they be discussed and even integrated if they are good enough?
2017-07-27 02:43 <Melanie_T> BillBlight: going to kick you off this this channel of you continue your ad hominem attacls
2017-07-27 02:43 <Melanie_T> Tampa: yes
2017-07-27 02:43 <Melanie_T> all dev work is volunteer work
2017-07-27 02:43 <BillBlight> wow, ok ...
2017-07-27 02:44 <Melanie_T> unlike BillBlight (BullyBlight) who thinks we need o do his requests as orders and with priority or else
2017-07-27 02:44 <Melanie_T> i do NOT prevent devs from picking up requests
2017-07-27 02:44 <Melanie_T> i only tell you as it is
2017-07-27 02:44 <smxy> I don't think that's what he's said, or done, Melanie.
2017-07-27 02:45 <smxy> I think you may be overreacting a bit.
2017-07-27 02:45 <Melanie_T> people these days want to get paid
2017-07-27 02:45 <Melanie_T> and I am NOT taking orders
2017-07-27 02:45 <Melanie_T> i'm full up for the next 3-4 months
2017-07-27 02:45 <Melanie_T> so i'm impartial
2017-07-27 02:45 <BillBlight> oh so who is name calling now?
2017-07-27 02:46 <Melanie_T> so he needs to negotiate with those who want to doit
2017-07-27 02:46 <Melanie_T> either on grounds of community needs
2017-07-27 02:46 <Melanie_T> or on money erms
2017-07-27 02:46 <smxy> I believe he and Ubit do that quite well.
2017-07-27 02:47 <Melanie_T> oooh! a ragequit!
2017-07-27 02:47 <Melanie_T> lol;
2017-07-27 02:47 <smxy> Can you blame him?
2017-07-27 02:47 <Melanie_T> urd
2017-07-27 02:47 <Melanie_T> yes
2017-07-27 02:47 <Melanie_T> in the runup
2017-07-27 02:48 <Melanie_T> he had it coming
2017-07-27 02:48 <Melanie_T> his bent is to make core implement his cash cow for free
2017-07-27 02:48 <Melanie_T> by means of guilting us
2017-07-27 02:48 <Melanie_T> so not happening
2017-07-27 02:49 <Tampa> You realize he does not run commercial right
2017-07-27 02:49 <smxy> Melanie, you are the most controlling, insufferable person I have ever seen.
2017-07-27 02:49 <Melanie_T> he wants commercial level features which then real commercial operators could leverage
2017-07-27 02:50 <Melanie_T> smxy: how so? by protecting core from demands to produce commercial elevl code or be sued?
2017-07-27 02:50 <Tampa> So you rather have OpenSim stay the way it is so commercial users can't get profits? I like fighting the system, but isn't the objective to better OpenSim if possible?
2017-07-27 02:51 <Melanie_T> Tampa: commercial level grids require the operators to stump up an initial investment
2017-07-27 02:51 <Melanie_T> that may benefit an independent or one on of core
2017-07-27 02:52 <Melanie_T> we are not in the "business" of providing people with a free means of making money
2017-07-27 02:53 <Melanie_T> on average, a commericial grid needs to invest 15000+ to get off the ground
2017-07-27 02:53 <Melanie_T> that shoud go to the people making the grid work
2017-07-27 02:53 <Melanie_T> not be mooted by our free work
2017-07-27 02:53 <Melanie_T> we're not commercial enablers
2017-07-27 02:53 <Melanie_T> we support the hobbyist
2017-07-27 02:54 <Melanie_T> commercial endeavours need to PAY someone
2017-07-27 02:54 <Melanie_T> or do their own work
2017-07-27 02:54 <Melanie_T> TANSTAAFL
2017-07-27 02:54 <Melanie_T> google it
2017-07-27 02:55 <Tampa> So if the hobbyist asks for something they are denied because a commercial grid has that feature
2017-07-27 02:56 <Melanie_T> stop this denied talk
2017-07-27 02:56 <Melanie_T> we dont' deny anyone as a nit
2017-07-27 02:56 <Melanie_T> unit*
2017-07-27 02:56 <Melanie_T> it's not a policy
2017-07-27 02:56 <Melanie_T> merely a consensus
2017-07-27 02:56 <Melanie_T> so approach any core or non core dev you like
2017-07-27 02:57 <Melanie_T> we (core) are not standing in yoruway
2017-07-27 02:57 <Tampa> I'm just trying to get to the bottom of why you think that a feature should not be implemented if it may be something that could possibly be used commercially if all it does is better OpenSim.
2017-07-27 02:57 <Melanie_T> we just WILL NOT DO YOUR BIDDING
2017-07-27 02:57 <smxy> It certainly appeared that way whenever we'd ask about something and you;d say Avination has it, or did it right, or whatever, but Core wasn't allowed to have it. Kinda felt like you were keeping core broken just to line your own pockets.
2017-07-27 02:57 <Melanie_T> implement it
2017-07-27 02:57 <Melanie_T> and we'll merge it if it doesn't break architecture
2017-07-27 02:58 <Melanie_T> if it does we wil guide you to refine it until it is acceptable
2017-07-27 02:59 <Melanie_T> smxy: wrong. i never said core couldn't have it.
2017-07-27 02:59 <Melanie_T> i just said core would have to achieve it INDEPENDENTLY
2017-07-27 02:59 <Melanie_T> because i PAID for MINE
2017-07-27 02:59 <smxy> But YOU are core, as you keep reminding us. :)
2017-07-27 02:59 <Melanie_T> i used to wear two hats
2017-07-27 03:00 <smxy> It sure as hell looked like a conflict of interest to a lot of people over the years.
2017-07-27 03:00 <Melanie_T> the cor ehat
2017-07-27 03:00 <Melanie_T> and the avn hat
2017-07-27 03:00 <Melanie_T> so what avn paid for
2017-07-27 03:00 <Melanie_T> avn kept
2017-07-27 03:00 <Melanie_T> no conflict of interetst at all
2017-07-27 03:00 <Tampa> Because you paid, seriously that is the arguement you make, because you paid for a feature some hobbyist requests it is to not be implemented unless handed to core via a patch?
2017-07-27 03:00 <Melanie_T> yes
2017-07-27 03:01 <Tampa> Thats a conflict of interest if I ever seen one.
2017-07-27 03:01 <smxy> Perhaps, but you are familiar with the saying that goes something like "Even if you are doing no evil, you should avoid the appearance of it as well", yes?
2017-07-27 03:01 <Melanie_T> why should i donate the work i PAID for on demand?
2017-07-27 03:01 <Tampa> No one asks you to provide code you have made in the past
2017-07-27 03:01 <Melanie_T> someone else can do it their way and it would become the core way
2017-07-27 03:02 <Melanie_T> if i pay for a patch
2017-07-27 03:02 <Tampa> So basically, you are not in charge and if anyone feels like they have an idea that would help OpenSim they will need to find one of the other devs to implement it.
2017-07-27 03:02 <Melanie_T> and hobbyists want the same thing
2017-07-27 03:02 <Melanie_T> why should i give away waht i paid for?
2017-07-27 03:02 <Melanie_T> the hoppyists need to do the work
2017-07-27 03:02 <Melanie_T> and make patch
2017-07-27 03:02 <Melanie_T> it will be acvepted'
2017-07-27 03:02 <Tampa> You know I paid for things too that I give away to the community
2017-07-27 03:03 <Melanie_T> but i can't be forced to provide IP i bought
2017-07-27 03:03 <Melanie_T> that's just not ON
2017-07-27 03:03 <Tampa> No one is forcing you to write the code
2017-07-27 03:03 <Melanie_T> your vhoice
2017-07-27 03:03 <Melanie_T> choive
2017-07-27 03:03 <Melanie_T> i choose to pay for things i can monetize
2017-07-27 03:03 <Tampa> What everyone is asking is for you not to shut down suggestions because they are something you have made and paid for in the past
2017-07-27 03:03 <smxy> Of course not. It just seemed that no one ever implemented anything once the "Abvination has it" staement would be made.
2017-07-27 03:03 <Melanie_T> i'm not doing that
2017-07-27 03:04 <smxy> and I can't type, BTW.
2017-07-27 03:04 <Tampa> The first thing you said to me when I joined on here was that no changes to estates would be made because commercial grids have that and paid for it
2017-07-27 03:04 <Melanie_T> but in order to make s uggestion real it requires a patch
2017-07-27 03:04 <Melanie_T> Tampa"mp[e
2017-07-27 03:04 <Melanie_T> nope
2017-07-27 03:05 <Tampa> It most certainly does not. Every opensource project I have ever seen has their users, commercial and non-commercial, suggesting features openly discussed between developers and users alike.
2017-07-27 03:05 <Melanie_T> i said no changes to the money module interface would be made to access LandModule stuff
2017-07-27 03:05 <Tampa> None of them require you to provide a patch for a mere feature suggestion.
2017-07-27 03:05 <Melanie_T> because that allows dangerous constructs that could undermine all of opensim security
2017-07-27 03:06 <Melanie_T> and i did suggest alternatives
2017-07-27 03:06 <Melanie_T> eminently workable ones
2017-07-27 03:06 <Ubit> well...
2017-07-27 03:06 <Melanie_T> Tampa: we can discuss all day long but the fact remans
2017-07-27 03:06 <Ubit> Melanie_T did you noticed its what 5:00 there ?
2017-07-27 03:07 <Melanie_T> if you don't have a patch and can't get someone to make it, it's just so much talk
2017-07-27 03:07 <Tampa> That is fine
2017-07-27 03:07 <Melanie_T> because trying to foce us to code it for you is code slavery
2017-07-27 03:07 <smxy> No, it might be a really good idea that someone in core smight want to consider.
2017-07-27 03:08 <Melanie_T> so they may do so
2017-07-27 03:08 <Tampa> But don't shut suggestions down based on "i paid for it" or "could be used commercially" especially if other core devs express interest in implemention that suggestion
2017-07-27 03:08 <smxy> It isn't forcing you to do anything. I wish you's get off that broken record.
2017-07-27 03:08 <Melanie_T> core (as an entity) can't commit to feature ijmplementation
2017-07-27 03:08 <smxy> Unless they like the idea.
2017-07-27 03:08 <smxy> And then they will, of course.
2017-07-27 03:09 <smxy> So it's up to the whims of core.
2017-07-27 03:09 <smxy> That's not how to run a project.
2017-07-27 03:10 <Melanie_T> errm, no
2017-07-27 03:10 <Tampa> I contacted colosi regarding buy passes, he went to contact Ubit in that regard and he implemented it. Neither colosi at that point, nor myself ever submitted a patch. We merely suggested and talked and core, Ubit in this case, implemented a feature. All this in record time I might add.
2017-07-27 03:10 <Melanie_T> there is no "thm"
2017-07-27 03:11 <Melanie_T> core WILL reject anytihng that has no merit for the hoppyist
2017-07-27 03:11 <Melanie_T> but individual members of core are not bound by that
2017-07-27 03:11 <Tampa> And making opensim feature complete has no merit?
2017-07-27 03:11 <Melanie_T> so youy can appoach diva, ubit, even me
2017-07-27 03:12 <Melanie_T> to as MEMBERS of core, rather than as core, do i
2017-07-27 03:12 <Melanie_T> t
2017-07-27 03:12 <Tampa> Of course you can say "nah I dont wanna do that", but dont say you dont do it because you paid for it or it could be used commercially
2017-07-27 03:12 <Melanie_T> most core members make money off opensim
2017-07-27 03:13 <Tampa> Then its a conflict of interest if you also take donations
2017-07-27 03:13 <Melanie_T> so most core members will not implement a commercially useful feature ithout payment
2017-07-27 03:13 <Melanie_T> try your luck
2017-07-27 03:13 <Melanie_T> we dont' take donations
2017-07-27 03:13 <Melanie_T> never did
2017-07-27 03:13 <Melanie_T> never will
2017-07-27 03:14 <Melanie_T> we take only code dinations
2017-07-27 03:14 <Melanie_T> we don't have an infrastructure to take money
2017-07-27 03:15 <Tampa> Yet you are officially linked to osgrid who does
2017-07-27 03:15 <Melanie_T> nope
2017-07-27 03:15 <Melanie_T> we are not
2017-07-27 03:15 <Melanie_T> we're not even incorporated
2017-07-27 03:16 <Melanie_T> much less linked to anything
2017-07-27 03:16 <Tampa> You use their regions and grid for meetings
2017-07-27 03:16 <Melanie_T> something anyone else cold do
2017-07-27 03:16 <Melanie_T> because they are there
2017-07-27 03:16 <smxy> They are well known as THE OpenSim testing grid.
2017-07-27 03:17 <Tampa> So in reality the core version of OpenSim is not actually designed to just further OpenSim development, but rather further the income of its core members.
2017-07-27 03:17 <smxy> Bingo!
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2017-07-27 03:18 <smxy> As they have said before it is not a product and never will be.
2017-07-27 03:18 <Tampa> So why even bother making it opensource?
2017-07-27 03:18 <smxy> It is not a "grid in a box" and never will be.
2017-07-27 03:18 <Melanie_T> Tampa you're a trooll
2017-07-27 03:18 <Melanie_T> you have 30 seconds to cinvince me you're not
2017-07-27 03:18 <smxy> It isn't beta because they don;t even like calling it alpha.
2017-07-27 03:18 <Tampa> Wow
2017-07-27 03:18 <Ubit> nice.. first time i see some one use op here
2017-07-27 03:18 <Tampa> Just wow
2017-07-27 03:19 <Ubit> Melanie_T.. please deop
2017-07-27 03:19 <Melanie_T> nope
2017-07-27 03:19 <Melanie_T> not being trolled
2017-07-27 03:19 <Melanie_T> open to arguments but no trolling
2017-07-27 03:19 <Melanie_T> tick tock
2017-07-27 03:20 <smxy> Stating his opinon, one shared by others, including myself, is not trolling.
2017-07-27 03:20 <Melanie_T> "So why even bother making it opensource?"
2017-07-27 03:20 <smxy> It's a legitimate question.
2017-07-27 03:20 <Melanie_T> nope
2017-07-27 03:20 <Melanie_T> it is what it is
2017-07-27 03:20 <Melanie_T> use it ir leave it
2017-07-27 03:20 <Melanie_T> or*
2017-07-27 03:21 <Melanie_T> ticl tock
2017-07-27 03:21 <Melanie_T> i don't like this
2017-07-27 03:21 <smxy> This is why people don't like you, Melanie.
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2017-07-27 03:22 <smxy> This, right here.
2017-07-27 03:22 <Melanie_T> so?
2017-07-27 03:22 <Melanie_T> should i have a troll take up another hour of my time?
2017-07-27 03:22 <Melanie_T> WO IS PAYING THAT TIME"?
2017-07-27 03:22 <Melanie_T> i know he is not
2017-07-27 03:23 <smxy> So Melanie plays God, because she can't take criticism.
2017-07-27 03:23 <Melanie_T> it's not abou criticism
2017-07-27 03:23 <Melanie_T> it's about me having said, multiple times tonight, that i NO LONGER PROFIT FROM OPENSIM
2017-07-27 03:24 <smxy> Hmm, those three grids you run. You do it for free?
2017-07-27 03:24 <Melanie_T> and still being accused of holding back change iin my own interest
2017-07-27 03:24 <smxy> I believe I, anyway, was referring to the past, in that regard.
2017-07-27 03:24 <Melanie_T> smxy: I run their container infrasructure
2017-07-27 03:24 <Melanie_T> they run opensim
2017-07-27 03:25 <Melanie_T> i'm moving away from virtual worlds
2017-07-27 03:25 <smxy> But they pay you. So your income is still derived from OpenSim, indirectly, at least.
2017-07-27 03:25 <Melanie_T> may be gone from thos project within a year
2017-07-27 03:25 <smxy> And that's OK.
2017-07-27 03:25 <Melanie_T> i have NO more stale inthis
2017-07-27 03:25 <Melanie_T> but to keepit pue
2017-07-27 03:25 <Melanie_T> pre
2017-07-27 03:25 <Melanie_T> grrr
2017-07-27 03:25 <Melanie_T> pure
2017-07-27 03:25 <smxy> For someone who has no stake in this, then why do you continue to act like it yours and yours alone?
2017-07-27 03:26 <Melanie_T> i want to hand this off to a worthy successor
2017-07-27 03:26 <Melanie_T> it's shaping up to be ubit
2017-07-27 03:26 <Melanie_T> and then i expect him to be the king bastard
2017-07-27 03:26 <Melanie_T> like i was the queen bitch
2017-07-27 03:26 <smxy> "was"?
2017-07-27 03:27 <Melanie_T> when someone takes over
2017-07-27 03:27 <Melanie_T> whichisn't now
2017-07-27 03:27 <Melanie_T> most projects have a benevolent dictatior
2017-07-27 03:27 <Melanie_T> and excuse my typos, once again
2017-07-27 03:27 <Melanie_T> for those who don't know 
2017-07-27 03:27 <smxy> You are anything but benevolent.
2017-07-27 03:28 <Melanie_T> it's diabetic nerve damage (neuropathy)
2017-07-27 03:28 <smxy> Most of us can't type for shit, so don't apologize for that, heh.
2017-07-27 03:28 <Melanie_T> my fingers don't hit the keys i want them to
2017-07-27 03:28 <Melanie_T> i am benevolent
2017-07-27 03:28 <Melanie_T> but to the project, not to you
2017-07-27 03:29 <Melanie_T> the project has a purity of ut's own
2017-07-27 03:29 <Melanie_T> i try to preserve that
2017-07-27 03:29 <Melanie_T> over the transient wishes of users who can't be arsed to code
2017-07-27 03:31 <smxy> Not everyone on the planet is a fucking coder, Melanie, nor should they expected to be to get you to pay attention and at least listen to the quite possibly good ideas they have.
2017-07-27 03:31 <Melanie_T> i just WILL NOT preside over this project's death by a thousand cuts
2017-07-27 03:32 <Melanie_T> smxy: quite simple test:
2017-07-27 03:32 <smxy> You show you disdain for users. You clearly DON'T give a shit about them, if they can't code.
2017-07-27 03:32 <Melanie_T> "Does any core dev believe that feature X is a good addition?
2017-07-27 03:32 <Melanie_T> if yes, they go implement it
2017-07-27 03:33 <smxy> No, they only go implement it if it happens to interest them.
2017-07-27 03:33 <Melanie_T> if no, does any contributor think it's a good addition
2017-07-27 03:33 <Melanie_T> if yes, they implement it and submit the patch
2017-07-27 03:33 <Melanie_T> else
2017-07-27 03:33 <Melanie_T> no one wants it but the requester so the requester needs to submit a patch
2017-07-27 03:34 <Melanie_T> smxy: correct
2017-07-27 03:34 <Melanie_T> it;s VOLUNTEER work
2017-07-27 03:34 <Melanie_T> you can't DEMAND that core implements something because you think it's worhty!
2017-07-27 03:35 <Melanie_T> THEY need to to think it's worthy
2017-07-27 03:35 <Melanie_T> and if no one will feed your cash cow for free
2017-07-27 03:35 <Melanie_T> you need to PAY
2017-07-27 03:35 <smxy> Ah, but they can think it's worthy but if they don't feel like doing it, and the suggestor isn't a coder, then oh well, it never gets done and we're all the poorer for it.
2017-07-27 03:36 <Melanie_T> do HIRE a coder!
2017-07-27 03:36 <Melanie_T> \you can't MAKE US DO THINGS!
2017-07-27 03:36 <Melanie_T> it's the nature of volunteer work
2017-07-27 03:37 <smxy> You do realize that a lot of good suggestions come from everyday casual users who don't run companies or have the resources to hire a coder, right?
2017-07-27 03:37 <Melanie_T> yes
2017-07-27 03:37 <Melanie_T> so?
2017-07-27 03:37 <smxy> So, for them, it's just "fucl off"?
2017-07-27 03:37 <smxy> fuck*
2017-07-27 03:37 <Melanie_T> does that mean that would force us to code them for free?
2017-07-27 03:37 <Melanie_T> what planet do yo live on"
2017-07-27 03:40 <smxy> The same one as many other opensource progects that are run by hundreds of volunteers, and who not only work on the things that interest them, and fixing bugs, but also on the good ideas that their non-coder users come up with, simply because they are good ideas.
2017-07-27 03:41 <Melanie_T> well, they must be independently wealthy because in my world every line of code is cash money
2017-07-27 03:41 <smxy> They get appropriate prioritized, but not discarded simply because someone didn;t provide a patch or it isn't personally interesting to someone.
2017-07-27 03:42 <Melanie_T> and i'm not aware of anyone on opensim being independently wealthty
2017-07-27 03:43 <Melanie_T> please stop  comparing opensim to apache
2017-07-27 03:43 <smxy> I'm not. At least not in Apache's current form.
2017-07-27 03:44 <Melanie_T> smxy: WE WILL NOT WORK FOR FREE
2017-07-27 03:44 <Melanie_T> unless personally interested in the result
2017-07-27 03:44 <smxy> But it wouldn't have gotten to where it has without the free contributions of those who made it what it became.
2017-07-27 03:44 <Melanie_T> we take contriution
2017-07-27 03:44 <smxy> Yes, the god-almighty buck is clearly ALL you give a damn about.
2017-07-27 03:44 <Melanie_T> contributions
2017-07-27 03:45 <Melanie_T> in patch form
2017-07-27 03:46 <Tampa> OpenSim is like Nagios, they wont listen to what people say either, if you need something done, pay em. That's fine, but it's clearly stated up front and they don't open ways to communicate directly to developers and such. So if this is what you want for the project then this IRC should not exist, the mantis should not be open to everyone. In reality all those running commercially or even hobbyists are only good enough when they provide 
2017-07-27 03:46 <Tampa> patches for bugs so you or other core devs making money don't have to do it themselves.
2017-07-27 03:46 <Tampa> Tut mir Leid dich genervt zu haben ich geh jetz
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2017-07-27 03:47 <smxy> I'm gonna have to google translate that last line I think ...
2017-07-27 03:47 <Ubit> i did :p
2017-07-27 03:47 <Melanie_T> sorry to have bothered you, i'm leaving now
2017-07-27 03:48 <smxy> it didn;t translate
2017-07-27 03:49 <smxy> ah
2017-07-27 03:49 <Melanie_T> /cs op Melanie_T #opensim-dev
2017-07-27 03:50 <Melanie_T> ??
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2017-07-27 04:46 <osmantis> Bug #8217:04 Add functionality to handle Estates through Regions.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8217 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-07-27 04:50 <smxy> Time for bed.
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2017-07-27 13:04 <osmantis> Bug #8218:04 [BULLETSIM SHAPE]: Fetched asset would not mesh - many instances after update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8218 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-07-27 13:26 <osmantis> Bug #8218:04 [BULLETSIM SHAPE]: Fetched asset would not mesh - many instances after update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8218 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-27 13:39 <osmantis> Bug #8218:04 [BULLETSIM SHAPE]: Fetched asset would not mesh - many instances after update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8218 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-27 13:44 <osmantis> Bug #8219:04 Newly made clothing/bodypart missing after creation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8219 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-07-27 13:48 <osmantis> Bug #8218:04 [BULLETSIM SHAPE]: Fetched asset would not mesh - many instances after update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8218 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-27 13:54 <osmantis> Bug #8219:04 Newly made clothing/bodypart missing after creation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8219 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-07-27 15:25 <Plugh> I wonder what impact that will have on mesh objects
2017-07-27 15:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #5763 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-27 15:29 <osmantis> Bug #8218:04 [BULLETSIM SHAPE]: Fetched asset would not mesh - many instances after update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8218 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-27 15:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5763: SUCCESS in 8 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5763/
2017-07-27 15:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8218 make Meshmerizer UseMeshiesPhysicsMesh defualt to true, to match stated on ini files.
2017-07-27 15:39 <Ubit> hmm you open mantis pages?
2017-07-27 15:39 <Ubit> or even http://opensimulator.org ?
2017-07-27 15:40 <Plugh> yup. It's dead, Jim. :)
2017-07-27 15:40 <Ubit> ty bones
2017-07-27 15:41 <djphil> Remain on loading ...
2017-07-27 15:46 <nebadon> fixed
2017-07-27 15:50 <Ubit> ty
2017-07-27 15:58 <Plugh> nebadon: Did you just restart the webserver to fix the problem?
2017-07-27 15:59 <nebadon> yes
2017-07-27 15:59 <Plugh> ok.
2017-07-27 16:22 <osmantis> Bug #8218:04 [BULLETSIM SHAPE]: Fetched asset would not mesh - many instances after update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8218 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-27 16:59 <osmantis> Bug #8220:04 Failed to save state of script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8220 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2017-07-27 18:14 <osmantis> Bug #8219:04 Newly made clothing/bodypart missing after creation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8219 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-27 21:15 <osmantis> Bug #8219:04 Newly made clothing/bodypart missing after creation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8219 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-27 21:16 <osmantis> Bug #8219:04 Newly made clothing/bodypart missing after creation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8219 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-27 21:23 <osmantis> Bug #8219:04 Newly made clothing/bodypart missing after creation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8219 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-27 21:38 <osmantis> Bug #8219:04 Newly made clothing/bodypart missing after creation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8219 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-27 21:48 <smxy> Just in case no one's said it lately, Ubit - thanks. :)
2017-07-27 21:48 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-27 21:49 <BullyBlight> and even though I am a bully , I say thanks too ....
2017-07-27 22:22 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-27 22:22 <Ubit> :)
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2017-07-28 08:35 <osmantis> Bug #8221:04 Standalone PGSQL  "estate_map"  database not created... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8221 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2017-07-28 08:59 <osmantis> Bug #8219:04 Newly made clothing/bodypart missing after creation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8219 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-28 12:02 <osmantis> Bug #8219:04 Newly made clothing/bodypart missing after creation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8219 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-07-28 16:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #5764 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-28 16:45 <Ubit> came on jenkis.. im waiting for that fail
2017-07-28 16:46 <nebadon> the build succeeded
2017-07-28 16:47 <nebadon> it running unit tests now
2017-07-28 16:47 <Ubit> yeap its on tests 
2017-07-28 16:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5764: SUCCESS in 8 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5764/
2017-07-28 16:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: partial mantis 8219; on creating or updating items (animationsets, wearables) that reference assets, and user does not have  permissions on those, abort and warn, instead of silent invalition of the references to those assets, creating a broken item
2017-07-28 16:47 <Ubit> well didn't. ;)
2017-07-28 16:48 <Ubit> so.. RL coffe
2017-07-28 16:48 <nebadon> damn fine idea :)
2017-07-28 16:48 <Ubit> ahh a note on mantis first
2017-07-28 16:53 <osmantis> Bug #8219:04 Newly made clothing/bodypart missing after creation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8219 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-28 16:54 <Ubit> ok.. coffe :)
2017-07-28 17:10 <Ubit> back
2017-07-28 17:11 <Ubit> hmm i do need ode..so updates for linux and mac :(
2017-07-28 17:11 <Ubit> or better said  "we do need.. " :)
2017-07-28 17:24 <jakdaniels> Ubit, do you want me to recompile? I still have the VM I built the 32 and 64bit versions on last time... Or I can give you a login to it...
2017-07-28 17:25 <osmantis> Bug #8219:04 Newly made clothing/bodypart missing after creation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8219 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-28 17:27 <osmantis> Bug #8219:04 Newly made clothing/bodypart missing after creation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8219 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-28 17:43 <Ubit> cool
2017-07-28 17:43 <Ubit> old linux version?
2017-07-28 17:46 <Ubit> err yeap last seemed good
2017-07-28 17:51 <jakdaniels> centos 6 build box. ok gotta got out for a bit, will build later and set up login for you if you want for future...
2017-07-28 17:51 <Ubit> sure no rush
2017-07-28 17:55 <osmantis> Bug #8219:04 Newly made clothing/bodypart missing after creation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8219 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-28 17:59 <osmantis> Bug #8219:04 Newly made clothing/bodypart missing after creation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8219 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-28 18:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #5765 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-28 18:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5765: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5765/
2017-07-28 18:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix typo
2017-07-28 18:10 <osmantis> Bug #8219:04 Newly made clothing/bodypart missing after creation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8219 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-28 18:28 <osmantis> Bug #8219:04 Newly made clothing/bodypart missing after creation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8219 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-28 18:30 <osmantis> Bug #8219:04 Newly made clothing/bodypart missing after creation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8219 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-28 18:32 <osmantis> Bug #8219:04 Newly made clothing/bodypart missing after creation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8219 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-28 18:58 <osmantis> Bug #8219:04 Newly made clothing/bodypart missing after creation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8219 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2017-07-28 22:39 <colosi> Does anyone know if something regarding the mysql connection string changed in 0.9?
2017-07-28 22:39 <colosi> The connection string that works in 0.8 is throwing errors in my pull of Master.
2017-07-28 22:40 <BillBlight> I'm just a moron, but , not that I know of ..  Did you compare the twomybe there is a typo in the master, been known to happen
2017-07-28 22:40 <BillBlight> ;)
2017-07-28 22:42 <Ubit> typo in master?
2017-07-28 22:43 <smxy> ConnectionString = "Data Source=localhost;Database=opensim;User ID=aUser;Password=aPassword;Old Guids=true;"
2017-07-28 22:43 <smxy> That's what I am using.
2017-07-28 22:43 <BillBlight> Not saying t here is 
2017-07-28 22:43 <Ubit> ( and no.. no change connection string is send to mysql connector directly )
2017-07-28 22:43 <BillBlight> that looks like the string I use smxy, except I added a command time out onto it
2017-07-28 22:44 <smxy> I also use a variation on it where Data Source is replaced by Server
2017-07-28 22:44 <smxy> As Data Source is actually deprecated.
2017-07-28 22:44 <BillBlight> I add this in after password ... ;default command timeout=300;Old Guids=true;"
2017-07-28 22:45 <BillBlight> just makes my sql happier
2017-07-28 22:46 <BillBlight> Glad you said that smxy, I had forgotten about that, intended on changing that to Server a while back
2017-07-28 22:47 <smxy> When I use proxysql, I also add a Port=6033; section right after the semi-colon in the Database section.
2017-07-28 22:48 <colosi> It’s choking on my source which points to a directory on my machine
2017-07-28 22:49 <Ubit> hmm ?
2017-07-28 22:50 <colosi> It’s possible it’s trying to run a DNS lookup on my Data Source, which isn’t a url.
2017-07-28 22:50 <colosi> Though I’m not sure why that would be different in 0.9
2017-07-28 22:51 <Ubit> 0.9 has a updated mysql connector.. but should be identical on that
2017-07-28 22:52 <smxy> I do not recall having to change my connection string, at all, when I started running 0.9 code.
2017-07-28 22:52 <colosi> It probably isn’t.  Do you know version you upgraded from and to?
2017-07-28 22:52 <colosi> Also, upgrading mysql connector is definitely a good thing :)
2017-07-28 22:52 <BillBlight> I have not changed mine since .69 I think
2017-07-28 22:52 <Ubit> errr need to look
2017-07-28 22:53 <BillBlight> update mysql connector to v6.9.9 .net4.0
2017-07-28 22:53 <BillBlight> Commit 52d4cf
2017-07-28 22:53 <Ubit> yeap thats it
2017-07-28 22:53 <Ubit> ty
2017-07-28 22:54 <colosi> Thanks.  I’ll see what I can find.
2017-07-28 22:54 <BillBlight> No problem, hope I did not bully you out of answering that ...
2017-07-28 22:54 <BillBlight> ;)
2017-07-28 22:54 <Ubit> 
ACTION kicks BillBlight

2017-07-28 22:54 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-28 22:54 <BillBlight> hehe
2017-07-28 22:54 <BillBlight> :P
2017-07-28 22:57 <colosi> Going to reboot just to make sure it’s not a symptom of a tired machine.
2017-07-28 23:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #5766 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-28 23:11 <smxy> Nah. If something goes wrong, you'll revert it. :P
2017-07-28 23:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5766: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5766/
2017-07-28 23:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: upload ODE lib for linux. Plz keep previus version in case something goes wrong. Thanks jakdaniels for the compilation
2017-07-28 23:15 <Ubit> upload?? yeack.. update !!
2017-07-28 23:16 <Melanie_T> heh, you DID upload the update
2017-07-28 23:16 <Ubit> :)
2017-07-28 23:16 <Melanie_T> of course you could download a downgrade
2017-07-28 23:18 <jakdaniels> built on centos 6 which uses glibc 2.12 so should work on any current linux distro...
2017-07-28 23:19 <Ubit> assuming i didn't lost the +x flags :p
2017-07-28 23:19 <Ubit> hmm possible i did
2017-07-28 23:21 <Ubit> think last time plugh fixed them
2017-07-28 23:24 <Ubit> need to add the strip to the instructions
2017-07-28 23:24 <Plugh> oh, the +x on a couple files. yea, I remember doing that.
2017-07-28 23:24 <jakdaniels> does it matter they have debug symbols, or should I look at removing them with  strip --strip-debug ?
2017-07-28 23:24 <jakdaniels> oops.. ok I'll try it
2017-07-28 23:24 <Ubit> i just did strip filename
2017-07-28 23:24 <Ubit> that 5Mb goes down to 0.9 or something
2017-07-28 23:25 <Ubit> i really don't want go dig on the cofig to remove the g+   :)
2017-07-28 23:25 <jakdaniels> hmmm, what does strip do by default? It can do --strip-all Remove all symbol and relocation information
2017-07-28 23:26 <Ubit> man strip ?
2017-07-28 23:26 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-28 23:26 <jakdaniels> but I'm guessing we only want the debug stuff removed
2017-07-28 23:26 <jakdaniels> hmmm man not very clear what it does by default
2017-07-28 23:27 <Ubit> well i used default and its working
2017-07-28 23:27 <Plugh> Some connection strings still have "Data Source" while some have "Server".
2017-07-28 23:27 <jakdaniels> --strip-debug makes the 64bit version 1102505 bytes
2017-07-28 23:29 <jakdaniels> and the 32bit 1025573 bytes
2017-07-28 23:29 <Ubit> 949912 Jul 12 00:00 libode-x86_64.so
2017-07-28 23:29 <Ubit> but other gcc
2017-07-28 23:29 <jakdaniels> what os did you use then? ;)
2017-07-28 23:29 <Ubit> plugh can you plz check the flags on the ode files i commited?
2017-07-28 23:30 <Ubit> think last time you did fix +x on then for us
2017-07-28 23:30 <Ubit> something bad think Bill did setup for me :p
2017-07-28 23:31 <Plugh> bin/opensim.sh still has execute perms afaict. 
2017-07-28 23:31 <Plugh> I don't see bin/opensim32.sh in the source tree. That must have been removed recently.
2017-07-28 23:31 <jakdaniels> added strip to my buld script now... so next time should be ok
2017-07-28 23:31 <jakdaniels> *build
2017-07-28 23:31 <BullyBlight> Hey I asked you what you needed, and I quote, "give me the newest you have" ..
2017-07-28 23:31 <BullyBlight> :P
2017-07-28 23:31 <Ubit> yes i removed
2017-07-28 23:31 <Ubit> doesn't work on linux
2017-07-28 23:32 <Ubit> uname -a
2017-07-28 23:32 <Ubit> errr
2017-07-28 23:32 <Plugh> what isn't working in Linux?
2017-07-28 23:32 <Plugh> oh. the opensim32.sh you mean.
2017-07-28 23:32 <Ubit> 4.8.0-22-generic #24-Ubuntu SMP Sat Oct 8 09:15:00 UTC 2016 x86_64 x8
2017-07-28 23:32 <Ubit> 6_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2017-07-28 23:32 <BullyBlight> lsb_release -a
2017-07-28 23:33 <Ubit> yes.. 32b does not work on linux
2017-07-28 23:33 <Ubit> well on 64b linux i mean
2017-07-28 23:33 <Plugh> BullyBlight: oh, that's a handy thing to try and remember
2017-07-28 23:34 <Ubit> Description:    Ubuntu 16.10
2017-07-28 23:34 <BullyBlight> Yes 64bit mono runs everything in 64bit ... You have to song and dance to run anything in 32bit on x64 machine
2017-07-28 23:34 <Ubit> gcc (Ubuntu 6.2.0-5ubuntu12) 6.2.0 20161005
2017-07-28 23:35 <jakdaniels> ldconfig --version |grep libc
2017-07-28 23:36 <Ubit> its ubutu.. no answer :p
2017-07-28 23:36 <Ubit> Ubuntu GLIBC 2.24-3ubuntu2.2
2017-07-28 23:38 <BullyBlight> on ubuntu it is ldd --version
2017-07-28 23:38 <jakdaniels> glibc and it's versions not being backwards compatible means we should always build libs for linux on the oldest but still supported linux distro
2017-07-28 23:39 <Ubit> thats the normal thing
2017-07-28 23:39 <jakdaniels> that seems to be centos 6, supported until 2020
2017-07-28 23:39 <Ubit> unless when kernel decides to change API 
2017-07-28 23:40 <BullyBlight> That is a good idea for the mere mortals ...
2017-07-28 23:40 <BullyBlight> :P
2017-07-28 23:40 <jakdaniels> redhat will backport any stuff needed
2017-07-28 23:41 <Ubit> compiling on the target machine may have some gain
2017-07-28 23:41 <Ubit> minor i guess
2017-07-28 23:41 <jakdaniels> yes.... better compiler optimisations perhaps....
2017-07-28 23:41 <Ubit> yeap
2017-07-28 23:42 <jakdaniels> but then it can only run on those later linux distros
2017-07-28 23:42 <Ubit> i said target machine :)
2017-07-28 23:43 <Ubit> i did compile on this VM and bil did stole it for the other machines :p
2017-07-28 23:43 <BullyBlight> As we always said , in my data center days, "Move, Get out of the way, or get run over"  , tech moves forward, sadly most people don't ...
2017-07-28 23:44 <jakdaniels> but I like a bit of stability sometimes..... install an OS and know it's gonna work and be supported by security updates for at least 5 years..
2017-07-28 23:44 <jakdaniels> ok so maybe it's GLIC is a bit old...
2017-07-28 23:44 <jakdaniels> *GLIBC
2017-07-28 23:46 <Ubit> it needs to be old
2017-07-28 23:47 <Plugh> To run 32-bit apps on 64-bit machine you need 32-bit versions of a lot of libraries.
2017-07-28 23:47 <Ubit> well within reason :)
2017-07-28 23:47 <BullyBlight> Yes sure, would not even try to argue that point for the masses ...  Which is why I complile my own, normally ...
2017-07-28 23:53 <colosi> According to the docs, I should be able to specify a unix socket (as I’m doing). - https://dev.mysql.com/doc/connector-net/en/connector-net-connection-options.html
2017-07-28 23:53 <colosi> Not sure why it’s trying to do a dns lookup
2017-07-28 23:54 <Ubit> well you can stil test the one on our 82 
2017-07-28 23:55 <Melanie_T> why would one want to run in 32 bit?
2017-07-28 23:56 <Ubit> bc its a bit faster.. less memory :p
2017-07-28 23:56 <jakdaniels> Ubit *loves* 32 bit
2017-07-28 23:56 <jakdaniels> ;)
2017-07-28 23:56 <Ubit> my win test region is now up in 32b :)
2017-07-28 23:56 <Melanie_T> it also has the 4gb limit
2017-07-28 23:57 <Ubit> less 1.9 or 1.2
2017-07-28 23:57 <Ubit> but per instance
2017-07-28 23:57 <Ubit> i loaded a oar or wright 
2017-07-28 23:57 <Melanie_T> yes lots of sims bust that 
2017-07-28 23:57 <Melanie_T> i've seen 6gb sims (gambling, mostly)
2017-07-28 23:57 <Ubit> and had still free VM 
2017-07-28 23:58 <Ubit> sure.. only for small regions
2017-07-28 23:58 <jakdaniels> what is mono VM limit on 32bit?
2017-07-28 23:58 <jakdaniels> or on windows for that matter...
2017-07-28 23:59 <Ubit> win each instance has a limit of 1.3G or 1.9.. don't remember
2017-07-28 23:59 <Ubit> per instance
2017-07-29 00:00 <Ubit> excluding OS part that is still 8TB running in 64b
2017-07-29 00:01 <Ubit> of course i would not run a region like wright plaza in 32B  even if does load with vm to spare
2017-07-29 00:04 <Ubit> win 32b
2017-07-29 00:04 <Ubit> MEMORY STATISTICS
2017-07-29 00:04 <Ubit> Heap allocated to OpenSim   : 46 MB
2017-07-29 00:04 <Ubit> Last heap allocation rate   : 0.043 MB/s
2017-07-29 00:04 <Ubit> Average heap allocation rate: 0.075 MB/s
2017-07-29 00:04 <Ubit> Process memory:      Physical 140 MB     Paged 122 MB    Virtual 398 MB
2017-07-29 00:04 <Ubit> Peak process memory: Physical 187 MB     Paged 171 MB    Virtual 440 MB
2017-07-29 00:04 <Ubit> linux
2017-07-29 00:04 <Ubit> MEMORY STATISTICS
2017-07-29 00:04 <Ubit> Heap allocated to OpenSim   : 47 MB
2017-07-29 00:04 <Ubit> Last heap allocation rate   : 0 MB/s
2017-07-29 00:04 <Ubit> Average heap allocation rate: 0.002 MB/s
2017-07-29 00:04 <Ubit> Process memory:      Physical 198 MB     Paged 0 MB      Virtual 5038 MB
2017-07-29 00:04 <Ubit> Peak process memory: Physical 267 MB     Paged 0 MB      Virtual 5054 MB
2017-07-29 00:05 <Ubit> win is running 2 regions, one with same oar as linux
2017-07-29 00:05 <Ubit> plus a 1Km wide var with some test prims and scripts
2017-07-29 00:08 <BullyBlight> Linux = Unused RAM is wasted RAM, Windows =  What unused RAM?
2017-07-29 00:08 <Ubit> nopes
2017-07-29 00:08 <BullyBlight> LOL
2017-07-29 00:08 <BullyBlight> :P
2017-07-29 00:08 <Ubit> linux now also makes use of "unused" ram
2017-07-29 00:09 <BullyBlight> I was just yanking your chain, Obviously  .....
2017-07-29 00:09 <Ubit> :p
2017-07-29 00:09 <Ubit> all os now hate unused ram.. and fill it with caches etc
2017-07-29 00:13 <colosi> Ubit, can you post that commit hash in again fot the mysql connector update?
2017-07-29 00:14 <BullyBlight> Commit 52d4cf
2017-07-29 00:14 <colosi> Thatnks Bill
2017-07-29 00:14 <Ubit> its file MySql.Data.dll
2017-07-29 00:15 <BullyBlight> Not sure the string is the issue, I actually swap my storage include file back and forth between .82 and .9x never had to change anything .. just did a test ... worked fine ..    But I guess will not hurt to check ..
2017-07-29 00:16 <Ubit> i did pick that version bc of compatibilty wirh servers
2017-07-29 00:17 <Ubit> still suports 5.0 
2017-07-29 00:18 <BullyBlight> good question, maybe, what is your local mysql version colosi? 
2017-07-29 00:19 <Ubit> well they may had drop sockets?
2017-07-29 00:20 <colosi> Found this bug report.  Still looking for a solution - https://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=84255
2017-07-29 00:21 <Ubit> just try the one on 82
2017-07-29 00:22 <BullyBlight> yeah that is what I would do , copy the MySql.Data.dll from the older version ..
2017-07-29 00:23 <colosi> good point.  will do.  
2017-07-29 00:24 <colosi> Good suggestion Bill.  It runs now… well, at least until hit has an issue loading ZeroMesher
2017-07-29 00:25 <Ubit> why i hell u want to use that?
2017-07-29 00:26 <Ubit> i do hope you are using the new ini files!
2017-07-29 00:26 <BullyBlight> is ZeroMesher even still a thing?
2017-07-29 00:27 <Ubit> its there
2017-07-29 00:27 <Ubit> think i never used it
2017-07-29 00:28 <BullyBlight> I think Ubit  hit it, quite a bit changed in the new .ini files ... Might need to build you a new config set
2017-07-29 00:28 <Ubit> possible i should test it ? :)
2017-07-29 00:31 <BullyBlight> meshing = Meshmerizer or meshing = ubODEMeshmerizer if using ubODE .. I think are really the only workable options ...
2017-07-29 00:31 <colosi> Ubit, I am not using the new ini files.  I’m just trying to run some quick test, not run a real grid here.
2017-07-29 00:31 <colosi> hahaha
2017-07-29 00:31 <Ubit> that will smoke :p
2017-07-29 00:32 <BullyBlight> Well quite a bit changed in the ini's even for "quick" setups ... LOL :P
2017-07-29 00:33 <BullyBlight> I think that this is part of the confusion with .9, it is not .8.5 or .8.9 .. it is .9 it is a major version change ...  Updates, changes, and new behavior should be expected ... Just like any major version update of any software ..
2017-07-29 00:34 <colosi> Not running ZeroMesher.  There’s a load conflict though.  gotta take a better look at this.
2017-07-29 00:35 <Ubit> testing a standalone?
2017-07-29 00:37 <Ubit> i also do hope you did clone it into a new folder..
2017-07-29 00:38 <colosi> Ubit, I didn’t, but that’s what I’ll do next if it’s going to require major config changes.
2017-07-29 00:38 <Ubit> yeap
2017-07-29 00:38 <BullyBlight> ummm you copied .9 over the top of a .8 folder?
2017-07-29 00:38 <Ubit> ooops
2017-07-29 00:38 <Ubit> yeack
2017-07-29 00:39 <colosi> But, for now, I need to head out to meet people for dinner.  Hopefully I’ll get back to this tonight.  I’ll clone to a new folder and edit the ini files from scratch
2017-07-29 00:39 <Ubit> yes there are conflits
2017-07-29 00:39 <BullyBlight> 
ACTION waits for the nuclear explosion

2017-07-29 00:39 <BullyBlight> :P
2017-07-29 00:40 <colosi> Ciao for now.
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2017-07-29 00:40 <Ubit> have fun
2017-07-29 01:20 <Ubit> ok.. going to sleep.. have fun
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2017-07-29 12:11 <osmantis> Bug #8222:04 InvalidCastException in OpenSim.Framework.Servers.HttpServer.BaseHttpServer.DoHTTPGruntWork() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8222 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2017-07-29 12:20 <osmantis> Bug #3670:04 [9578] opensim.ini not found when using -inimaster and -inifile arguments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3670 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2017-07-29 13:25 <osmantis> Bug #8223:04 meshing/physics engine has new errors when rezzing a mesh object for BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8223 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-07-29 13:28 <osmantis> Bug #8223:04 meshing/physics engine has new errors when rezzing a mesh object for BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8223 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-07-29 16:17 <osmantis> Bug #8223:04 meshing/physics engine has new errors when rezzing a mesh object for BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8223 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-29 16:19 <osmantis> Bug #8223:04 meshing/physics engine has new errors when rezzing a mesh object for BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8223 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-29 16:55 <osmantis> Bug #8222:04 InvalidCastException in OpenSim.Framework.Servers.HttpServer.BaseHttpServer.DoHTTPGruntWork() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8222 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-29 16:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #5767 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-29 17:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5767: SUCCESS in 7 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5767/
2017-07-29 17:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8222
2017-07-29 17:13 <osmantis> Bug #8194:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osDrawFilledEllipse 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8194 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2017-07-29 17:13 <osmantis> Bug #8194:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osDrawFilledEllipse 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8194 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2017-07-29 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #8222:04 InvalidCastException in OpenSim.Framework.Servers.HttpServer.BaseHttpServer.DoHTTPGruntWork() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8222 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2017-07-29 22:11 <osmantis> Bug #8223:04 meshing/physics engine has new errors when rezzing a mesh object for BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8223 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-29 22:54 <osmantis> Bug #8223:04 meshing/physics engine has new errors when rezzing a mesh object for BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8223 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2017-07-30 00:59 <colosi> Hey folks, finally got around to cloning a clean repo and building master.  That MySql Connector bug disappeared (so there was some conflict from something that wans’t cleaned properly).
2017-07-30 00:59 <colosi> Running into an error on login from the LindenUDP system
2017-07-30 00:59 <colosi> Anyone run into that?
2017-07-30 01:00 <Ubit> no
2017-07-30 01:00 <Ubit> and we call it lludp not Linden :p
2017-07-30 01:01 <Ubit> and error ?
2017-07-30 01:01 <colosi> Thanks.  Can I post the stack trace to you and can you tell me if it’s obvious?
2017-07-30 01:01 <Ubit> sure
2017-07-30 01:02 <Ubit> hmm groups issue i guess
2017-07-30 01:03 <Ubit> hm i should catch that null ref
2017-07-30 01:04 <Ubit> damm mono.. could give proper line numbers
2017-07-30 01:09 <colosi> I disabled groups for now and can login
2017-07-30 01:09 <colosi> I’ll figure out the groups module stuff later.
2017-07-30 01:09 <colosi> Buy, I do keep seeing Unhandled packet warnings about every second.
2017-07-30 01:10 <colosi> *But
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2017-07-30 10:20 <Haravikk> Is there a page somewhere documenting all the various URI schemes supported by Open Simulator aware clients? I've  found a page documenting x-grid-info://, and I've found examples for a few other schemes like hop:// and x-grid-location://. Do these have documentation somewhere or do I need to go rooting around in viewer code for them?
2017-07-30 10:23 <Haravikk> I'm assuming x-grid-info:// supports everything that secondlife:// supports, except that it includes a grid address at the start, but I was hoping there might be more information somewhere about exactly how much is supported and how widely. Does hop:// support other functions or is purely for locations? Is x-grid-location:// (given that its scheme seems identical to x-grid-info://) etc.
2017-07-30 10:25 <Haravikk> And also, are there preferred schemes? Is hop:// the only one I should be using for locations, or is x-grid-location:// better?
2017-07-30 10:26 <Ubit> think cinder said here once tha x-grid-location is better (alchem at least)
2017-07-30 10:34 <Haravikk> Okay. One other question was; on SL if I wanted to identify a user in chat from a script I can use secondlife://app/agent/<uuid>, but presumably that won't work properly with hypergrid visitors unless they're still in the current region (I think), is there an alternative way to handle them? Can scripts even tell if a user is from another grid or do they just seem them locally until they leave and nothing more?
2017-07-30 10:35 <Melanie_T> scripts see users as uuids and can't tell
2017-07-30 10:36 <Melanie_T> secondlife:// is hardcoded in the viewer and uses viewer services to access data even on opensim grids
2017-07-30 10:36 <Melanie_T> that is different from http://www.secondlife.com/app/.....
2017-07-30 10:36 <Melanie_T> which is SL only and grids would have t provide their own
2017-07-30 10:37 <Melanie_T> same with slurl.com
2017-07-30 10:49 <Haravikk> Right, so secondlife:// for a hypergrid user will only work if they're in the current region. Any idea if any viewers support x-grid-info:// for showing a user's data if you know which grid they're from? I know it's not easy to get that data right now, but I'm investigating whether it's worth making it easier to handle. Doesn't look like Firestorm supports it.
2017-07-30 10:53 <Haravikk> I'm still working on porting my web-services from SL-only to being more grid agnostic; if I could know which grid a user is actually from it'd be a lot easier to avoid duplicate data. Currently I think I can only do it if the device is worn by the user themselves (i.e- give it a session token), but that's no good for fixed devices dealing with users who could be from anywhere, as they are only identified by a
2017-07-30 10:53 <Haravikk> UUID that presumably isn't guaranteed to be unique?
2017-07-30 11:09 <Melanie_T> a user will hit another grid with the same uuid as the one they have at home unless there is a collision
2017-07-30 11:09 <Melanie_T> i believe diva said that if there is a collision the user will be refused but i'm not so sure, they may have their id changed to a temporary one
2017-07-30 11:10 <Melanie_T> the info about users is kept on every grid they visit
2017-07-30 11:10 <Melanie_T> HG users have an entry in GridUser but not in UserAccounts
2017-07-30 11:10 <Melanie_T> so while we can tell some things about a user we can't tell others
2017-07-30 11:10 <Melanie_T> there is no server or viewer support for getting a hold of this data, though
2017-07-30 11:11 <Melanie_T> there is the ethical aspect - some people would not want to be tracked through the grids as that, like browsing data, could be used for very annoying targeted advertising
2017-07-30 11:11 <Melanie_T> every 3 months i go and opt out of any targeted ads that i can opt out of
2017-07-30 11:12 <Melanie_T> because all targeting ads do is show me ads for things i already own
2017-07-30 11:12 <Melanie_T> so, there is a fine line between not enough disclosure and too much disclosure
2017-07-30 11:25 <Haravikk> True, but then if users carry their UUID with them then this already the case; UUIDs are unlikely to collide so you can already track a user using that way, even if you don't necessarily know they've come from another grid. The only difference knowing the grid would make is that you know for certain that there's no chance of a collision (i.e- false positive). Plus it enables some useful things; for example, if
2017-07-30 11:25 <Haravikk> you know a user isn't from the same grid as your scripted object, then the object can avoid saving data about them altogether.
2017-07-30 11:35 <Haravikk> For true privacy, your home grid would have to issue you with some kind of "traveller UUID"; this is how all other regions, grids, scripts etc. would see you, but when sent back to your home grid would be translated back into your real UUID. It could then be up to users/grids whether this UUID is the same every time, or re-generated every time you leave your home region. Could be interesting to investigate as
2017-07-30 11:35 <Haravikk> well. Although a re-generating UUID would prevent me from reducing duplicate data, at least if I knew the grid I could still be sure they're not an unknown avatar from the local grid.
2017-07-30 11:41 <Haravikk> I'll maybe post some mailing list discussions on it; but I think there's no security/privacy issue with knowing what a user's home grid is in a script. It would make it more readily available, but would be no different to a malicious region. At the worst, someone who knows what grid you're from can try to teleport to or join that grid, but grids can already prevent this if you don't want hypergrid
2017-07-30 11:41 <Haravikk> travellers/unknowns arriving.
2017-07-30 12:52 <smxy> HG users with a UUID matching a local user, will be denied entry. This is, in fact, how a well-known griefer, with many account,is kep out of numerous grids - because we shared the UUIDs among ourselves and made local accounts with them.
2017-07-30 14:19 <smxy> Ubit: Unless you've fixed this in the past two weeks (since I last built dev master), I keep seeing this occasionally: 05:40:05 - [AVATAR APPEARANCE]: unpack failed badly: Specified cast is not valid.  at OpenSim.Framework.AvatarAppearance.Unpack (OpenMetaverse.StructuredData.OSDMap data) [0x002f8] in /opensim/src/coreOS/build/build-ead95e8/OpenSim/Framework/AvatarAppearance.cs:868
2017-07-30 14:27 <smxy> And any idea what's going on here> https://pastebin.com/SjfzE8mN
2017-07-30 14:29 <smxy> Or here? https://pastebin.com/bTDDiysP
2017-07-30 16:20 <Plugh> smxy: That first error seems to be an error in the exception message for some error.
2017-07-30 16:20 <Plugh> ie. not enough supplied arguments.
2017-07-30 16:29 <Plugh> smxy: I just pushed a change to fix that first error where there is an error in the exception handler message
2017-07-30 16:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #5768 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-07-30 16:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5768: SUCCESS in 7 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5768/
2017-07-30 16:35 <osjenkins> kevin: Corrected index number in ErrorFormat based Exception message
2017-07-30 19:36 <Haravikk> @smxy: But is that a desired behaviour though to block on UUID collision? As far as anti-griefer measures go it's a bit basic, and easily circumvented. What was the griefer doing anyway? I haven't found I have many capabilities when roaming foreign grids, so it seems like potential for abuse is already pretty limited easily enough. Things like chat spam and voice spam can be muted easily enough. One of the
2017-07-30 19:36 <Haravikk> (probably far too many) areas I'm interested in developing is how to lift restrictions on hyper-grid travel without impacting security.
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2017-07-30 21:06 <osmantis> Bug #8218:04 [BULLETSIM SHAPE]: Fetched asset would not mesh - many instances after update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8218 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2017-07-30 21:07 <osmantis> Bug #8218:04 [BULLETSIM SHAPE]: Fetched asset would not mesh - many instances after update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8218 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-07-30 21:07 <osmantis> Bug #8218:04 [BULLETSIM SHAPE]: Fetched asset would not mesh - many instances after update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8218 ): has been CLOSED
2017-07-30 21:07 <Ubit> Ubitnariv ?? lol
2017-07-30 21:07 <osmantis> Bug #8218:04 [BULLETSIM SHAPE]: Fetched asset would not mesh - many instances after update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8218 ): has been REOPENED.
2017-07-30 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #8218:04 [BULLETSIM SHAPE]: Fetched asset would not mesh - many instances after update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8218 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2017-07-30 23:44 <smxy> Haravikk: The point was that it required the griefer to create a new account each time they wanted to come back. We made that tiring, so they went away. However, I want full control over whom I allow in to my grid. In general though, if I can't tie a visitor back to whom they are and on what grid, then exactly how am I supposed to block them, if they misbehave?
2017-07-30 23:44 <smxy> Plugh: Thanks.
2017-07-30 23:48 <Plugh> yw
2017-07-31 00:02 <smxy> I remember a time, when I would build OpenSim on Linux, with Mono, and it would report 300+ warnings. I see we are down to 43, these days. Nice. :)
2017-07-31 00:04 <nebadon> some of that is also dependent on what version of mono you run too
2017-07-31 00:10 <smxy> Yes, newer ones produce fewer warnings.
2017-07-31 00:11 <smxy> I'm using 5.4.0.56.
2017-07-31 00:11 <smxy> I believe that's the newest, outside of git master.
2017-07-31 00:18 <smxy> Ubit: Why is the tree module enabled by default?
2017-07-31 00:18 <smxy> That seems like the kind of thing that one should have to enable, if one wants it.
2017-07-31 00:23 <smxy> Though, I don't even see an "enabled" setting in the previous defaults file, so perhaps it was always enabled and you've just now exposed that.
2017-07-31 00:23 <smxy> Simple enough to disable it.
2017-07-31 00:53 <smxy> There. Up to date on code.
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2017-07-31 07:33 <Haravikk> @smxy: My point was that you can't; it's the very nature of OpenSim that you can't be certain that a user's UUID is truly unique or will stay that way, as it's possible to randomise it using it a standalone grid, and you can even "randomise" a grid by using proxies (so blocking by grid won't work either). While blocking the UUID might have worked for one particular griefer, it may be of no use against the next;
2017-07-31 07:33 <Haravikk> plus creating junk accounts is just as much work for you as it is for them, and if it causes you hassle it achieves their goal in a way. You didn't say what the griefer was actually doing; it doesn't seem to me like there's a tonne of potential for abuse due to the hypergrid's limitations, and in terms of what a griefer *can* do, there may be better solutions.
2017-07-31 07:36 <BBlight|Away> The other thing you may not have considered Haravikk, is permissions are all tied to your UUID, if you are out on the HG and picking up things and such, yoru asset server would have to be awaware and reconfigure the assets after they get back or on the fly .. Because when foreighn grid tags those assets with the new owner it is going to be whatever UUID it knows about .. Sounds to me like 
2017-07-31 07:36 <BBlight|Away> a lot of effort for very little gain .. As the destination grid, is going to have your IP and most any other information they would need to do something nasty.
2017-07-31 07:36 <BBlight|Away> I see randomized UUIDs as a security and permissions nightmare
2017-07-31 07:37 <BBlight|Away> Not to mention any of your own attachments and scripts and even your own viewer that cache's and talks to your avatar based on your uuid, your friends list  and many other things
2017-07-31 07:39 <BBlight|Away> You are also going to greaty increase the chances of a UUID collision if every avatar that travels the HG has more than one UUID
2017-07-31 07:43 <Haravikk> I don't believe these would actually be that hard; your roaming UUID would just need to be translated back into your local UUID before any action occurs in your home region. As for collision, it isn't more likely, as you'd still only have one functional UUID, the roaming UUID; even if there is a collision though, your home region could just issue you with a new roaming UUID to resolve it. Anyway, I should
2017-07-31 07:43 <Haravikk> clarify, implementing something like this isn't a priority for me, I was just pointing out in response to Melanie_T that this is the kind of thing you'd need to guarantee any kind of privacy.
2017-07-31 07:44 <Haravikk> My point was that allowing scripts to know what grid you're from doesn't make it any easier for them to track you under the current system; that's the feature I'm actually interested in right now 🙂
2017-07-31 07:45 <BBlight|Away> Internet privace is a "pipe dream"  every service you connect to has more information about you than they need, opensimulator privace is just fearmongering from a few ... Pandora, Facebook, G+ , netflix, pretty much any website you visit has your IP and enough information about your computer to find you ...  The people that cry about their IP and such being visible to the servers, just 
2017-07-31 07:45 <BBlight|Away> don't understand how the internet works ...  The "Server Guy" is always going to have your info ...
2017-07-31 07:46 <BBlight|Away> Unless you run a VPN, that is , and even then , it just makes it more work ...
2017-07-31 07:47 <BBlight|Away> VPN does not really protect you if you use the same one ALL the time .. once that end to end connection is open, if you are worried about who you are connecting to, that is the issue, 
2017-07-31 07:48 <BBlight|Away> People don't understand that it is the "man in the middle" that you have to worry about, so in the case of opensimulator , it is an ecapsulation issue not a endpoint issue ..
2017-07-31 07:54 <Haravikk> The issue Melanie_T was raising was tracking by scripts, not regions; scripts I don't believe have access to your IP as standard. All they're aware of really is your UUID, but that just brings me back to my point; scripts can currently track users across grids just fine using UUID's if they're willing to assume that these are unique; so scripts knowing what grid you've come from (or that you've come from one at
2017-07-31 07:54 <Haravikk> all) should not present any kind of security/privacy threat. It is however a very useful thing to know for scripts to treat hypergrid visitors differently, or for web-services to avoid duplicate or meaningless data.
2017-07-31 07:59 <BBlight|Away> There are a few ways for scripts to tell if you are HG or local, and the problem is not just with the server, all the current viewers do not really treat HG and local avtars differently, so it would have to be a systemic re-write.   But I am still not sure what you are getting at, the server does treat HG users differently , they are not local, they have no local stored assets, profiles, 
2017-07-31 07:59 <BBlight|Away> groups, and as far as scripts following them, here is the issue with that .. Without being able to track that UUID across grids, HG IMs would fail, and friends lists would cease to function.  So you would create as many issues as you solved.
2017-07-31 08:02 <BBlight|Away> What it really comes down to is, if the HG is that big of a problem for some people they should just not use it ... LOL
2017-07-31 08:24 <Haravikk> I don't think friends lists/IMs would need to use your roaming UUID; in both cases the user is implicitly giving permission to be contacted back so a "fixed" UUID is fine for those. I'm not familiar with the detail in either of those systems though so I don't know how easy translation of the UUID would be; i.e- if someone sends a friend request to your roaming UUID, can the confirmation come back using your
2017-07-31 08:24 <Haravikk> actual UUID instead? Again, though, my point was to highlight that this is what would be required to reduce tracking, not that I want to go out and implement it 😝
2017-07-31 08:31 <Haravikk> You say there are a few ways for scripts to tell if you are HG or local, what are those methods? I think knowing the actual origin grid would probably still be more definitive and useful though. Actually, I just noticed the osGetAvatarHomeURI(), does that include grid details? It's currently set to a threat level of low so it won't run anywhere I've tried on OS Grid, and the docs don't give an example of output.
2017-07-31 08:31 <Haravikk> If it does include grid-details then it may just be a case of proposing that its threat level be downgraded?
2017-07-31 08:31 <Haravikk> Though I suppose knowing an avatar's home region etc. as well should remain a higher threat, but knowing only the grid should be okay as very low?
2017-07-31 08:37 <osmantis> Bug #8224:04 osSetDynamicTextureURL and osSetDynamicTextureData have stopped working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8224 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-07-31 08:37 <osmantis> Bug #8224:04 osSetDynamicTextureURL and osSetDynamicTextureData have stopped working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8224 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008222.
2017-07-31 08:37 <osmantis> Bug #8222:04 InvalidCastException in OpenSim.Framework.Servers.HttpServer.BaseHttpServer.DoHTTPGruntWork() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8222 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008224.
2017-07-31 08:43 <osmantis> Bug #8224:04 osSetDynamicTextureURL and osSetDynamicTextureData have stopped working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8224 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-07-31 09:02 <osmantis> Bug #8224:04 osSetDynamicTextureURL and osSetDynamicTextureData have stopped working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8224 ): has been marked as UNRELATED TO issue 0008222.
2017-07-31 09:02 <osmantis> Bug #8222:04 InvalidCastException in OpenSim.Framework.Servers.HttpServer.BaseHttpServer.DoHTTPGruntWork() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8222 ): has been marked as UNRELATED TO issue 0008224.
2017-07-31 09:03 <osmantis> Bug #8224:04 osSetDynamicTextureURL and osSetDynamicTextureData have stopped working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8224 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-31 09:05 <osmantis> Bug #8224:04 osSetDynamicTextureURL and osSetDynamicTextureData have stopped working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8224 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-31 09:46 <osmantis> Bug #8224:04 osSetDynamicTextureURL and osSetDynamicTextureData have stopped working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8224 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-31 09:50 <osmantis> Bug #8224:04 osSetDynamicTextureURL and osSetDynamicTextureData have stopped working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8224 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-31 10:04 <osmantis> Bug #8224:04 osSetDynamicTextureURL and osSetDynamicTextureData have stopped working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8224 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-07-31 10:06 <osmantis> Bug #8224:04 osSetDynamicTextureURL and osSetDynamicTextureData have stopped working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8224 ): has been CLOSED
2017-07-31 13:11 <hack13> So I have been testing using an external CAPs service for the GetTexture CAP. This has lead to some major speed boost, however I am noticing that textures are not loading from hypergrid objects being rezzed out. I am guessing that is because it isn't copied to the asset server when an object is rezzed out by an HG visitor?
2017-07-31 23:34 <osmantis> Bug #7893:04 [PATCH] Add regionID to data passed from SimulatorFeaturesModule to OnSimulatorFeaturesRequest event delegates 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7893 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-07-31 23:38 <osmantis> Bug #8215:04 BuyLandPass will deliver land pass regardless of whether user pays 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8215 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-07-31 23:41 <osmantis> Bug #7888:04 Mesh objects not rendering due to thread safety issue in SimulatorFeaturesHelper.ShouldSend(AgentID) func 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7888 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2017-08-01 00:07 <osmantis> Bug #8225:04 Upgrade of .NET MySql Connector to v 6.9.9 doesn't handle unix sockets in ConnectionString 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8225 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-08-01 00:29 <BillBlight> People still use sockets for MYSQL??   LOL :P
2017-08-01 00:31 <Guest27385> Computers do. But it is only becaue "People" tell them too. ;)
2017-08-01 00:47 <osmantis> Bug #8225:04 Upgrade of .NET MySql Connector to v 6.9.9 doesn't handle unix sockets in ConnectionString 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8225 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-08-01 00:58 <smxy> If the DB is on localhost, it's more efficient to use a socket instead of a tcp connection.
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2017-08-01 02:32 <BillBlight> yes smxy, that is true, but that does not change the fact that the use of sockets , even on localshost situations is dwindling .. 
2017-08-01 03:00 <smxy> I wouldn't know. I only ever used them for MySQL.
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2017-08-01 07:52 <Haravikk> As a general rule you won't notice any difference between using a socket vs. a TCP connection on localhost; on a modern operating system the performance of the loopback interface should be very similar, especially on a proper server or under any kind of virtualisation. Meanwhile MySQL/MariaDB in particular see little to no difference when using a socket instead, as processing even simple queries eliminates any
2017-08-01 07:52 <Haravikk> advantage due to the overhead of the query itself.
2017-08-01 12:34 <osmantis> Bug #8225:04 Upgrade of .NET MySql Connector to v 6.9.9 doesn't handle unix sockets in ConnectionString 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8225 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-01 18:03 <colosi> How does one get access to Grid Services from a region module or Region Services from a Grid system?  Is that doable, or are those systems kept completely separate?  From a region module, using the Scene, you can RequestModuleInterface to get any region module.  But, when you’re in Grid systems, it appears you have access to GridRegions, not to Scenes.
2017-08-01 18:06 <Plugh> Time for the weekly developer meeting in osgrid for anyone who wants to attend.
2017-08-01 18:10 <djphil> Hmmm don't remember region name
2017-08-01 18:14 <djphil> Plugh, region name please
2017-08-01 18:14 <Ubit> project secret
2017-08-01 18:14 <djphil> ty
2017-08-01 18:14 <Plugh> Projet secret (no C in Projet)
2017-08-01 18:14 <Plugh> It's French.
2017-08-01 18:14 <Ubit> dont ask why secret and so public :)
2017-08-01 18:14 <Plugh> hey, I didn't name the region.
2017-08-01 18:27 <colosi> I can’t make it today.
2017-08-01 18:53 <osmantis> Bug #8225:04 Upgrade of .NET MySql Connector to v 6.9.9 doesn't handle unix sockets in ConnectionString 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8225 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-01 18:54 <osmantis> Bug #8225:04 Upgrade of .NET MySql Connector to v 6.9.9 doesn't handle unix sockets in ConnectionString 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8225 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-08-01 21:19 <Ubit> changed http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Collada_Mesh#Phantom_mesh
2017-08-01 21:19 <Ubit> just no idea how the remove the wrong name Collada Mesh..   we do not do Collada mesh.. viewers do
2017-08-01 21:34 <Ubit> ok
2017-08-01 21:35 <Ubit> now i lost it :)
2017-08-01 21:36 <BillBlight> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Mesh#Phantom_mesh
2017-08-01 21:36 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-08-01 21:36 <BillBlight> looks  much better
2017-08-01 21:37 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Mesh actually
2017-08-01 21:38 <BillBlight> that is what I posted .. .LOL .. just the anchor down to phantom mesh .. :P
2017-08-01 21:42 <Ubit> ok now a link so it can be found from main text
2017-08-01 21:43 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Models
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2017-08-01 23:36 <djphil> Ho ... you don't have renamed the old page but create new one :o
2017-08-01 23:36 <Ubit> i did move
2017-08-01 23:37 <djphil> Ha .... i see both
2017-08-01 23:37 <djphil> Collada_Mesh and Mesh
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2017-08-02 02:48 <Ubit> oops :p
2017-08-02 02:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #5769 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-08-02 02:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Oops fix also default UseMeshiesPhysicsMesh also on ubOde
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2017-08-03 15:56 <smxy> My Robust is one commit back from HEAD. Since I updated it, it's seen just one error, so far: https://pastebin.com/pviytEg3
2017-08-03 16:03 <smxy> One of my regions saw this: https://pastebin.com/yXXJtSba and this: https://pastebin.com/CtDDaMz5
2017-08-03 16:04 <smxy> I'm sorry, forget pboth pastesbins in that last line. I was looking at the pre-updated region. My apologies. The Robust one is valid, however.
2017-08-03 16:06 <smxy> The *updated* region saw this: https://pastebin.com/QrCZyLqU
2017-08-03 16:10 <smxy> That's it. That's the only errors my grid has seen since updating.
2017-08-03 16:11 <smxy> The pre-update errors I showed were from code that was about a month old, so perhaps they might still have some usefulness. Dunno.
2017-08-03 17:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #5770 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-08-03 17:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a few locks
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2017-08-03 17:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid a null ref
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2017-08-03 20:53 <colosi> Why is Groups an addon instead of part of the core?
2017-08-03 21:02 <Ubit> don't ask
2017-08-03 21:02 <Ubit> and there is a core one also
2017-08-03 21:02 <Ubit> "core"
2017-08-03 21:02 <Ubit> history is the answer 
2017-08-03 21:03 <BillBlight> the addon triggers v1 groups I think the core one is V2  .. I might be wrong about that ...
2017-08-03 21:03 <Ubit> yes there is dummy one, v2 and xml
2017-08-03 21:05 <Plugh> colosi: There are two versions of Groups. One is an addon and the other is in core.
2017-08-03 21:11 <nebadon> I think early on mono was not good enough to handle groups
2017-08-03 21:13 <nebadon> it still may not do as good a job on really big grids/groups
2017-08-03 21:13 <nebadon> you can however run multiple robusts that do nothing but groups and load balance it
2017-08-03 21:15 <colosi> Oh, okay.  So if I’m using V2, it’s using a core module instead of the addon.  That’s good to know.
2017-08-03 21:16 <colosi> Is doesn’t look like there’s an IGroupsService, just a GroupsService.  Am I right to find that odd?
2017-08-03 21:18 <colosi> *it doesn’t
2017-08-03 21:18 <Ubit> IGroupsModule
2017-08-03 21:18 <Ubit> thats the interface
2017-08-03 21:19 <Ubit> the 3 are "core" bahh
2017-08-03 21:20 <Ubit> the one actually on coremodules is useless
2017-08-03 21:20 <colosi> Okay, so the OpenSim.Addons.Groups package is really where the pertinent group code is, not in core
2017-08-03 21:21 <Ubit> yeap
2017-08-03 21:21 <Ubit> until someone decides to move that
2017-08-03 21:21 <colosi> So, is it okay for core code to reference Group code, or not until it gets moved into core?
2017-08-03 21:22 <Ubit> you reference  asking for the api
2017-08-03 21:22 <Plugh> core code would use the Groups API.
2017-08-03 21:22 <Ubit> as in  m_GroupsModule = scene.RequestModuleInterface<IGroupsModule>();
2017-08-03 21:23 <Ubit> both xmlrpc and V2 will work
2017-08-03 21:23 <Ubit> ok ?
2017-08-03 21:23 <colosi> I was looking into doing something from outside a region module
2017-08-03 21:24 <Ubit>             if (m_GroupsModule != null)
2017-08-03 21:24 <Ubit>             {
2017-08-03 21:24 <Ubit>                 m_GroupsModule.GroupTitleUpdate(this,
2017-08-03 21:24 <Ubit>                                                 groupTitleUpdate.AgentData.GroupID,
2017-08-03 21:24 <Ubit>                                                 groupTitleUpdate.AgentData.TitleRoleID);
2017-08-03 21:24 <Ubit>             }
2017-08-03 21:24 <Ubit> as a use example
2017-08-03 21:24 <colosi> create a group or add someone to a group from outside the context of a region.  That’s why I was looking for an IGroupsService interface, not just an IGroupsModule interface
2017-08-03 21:25 <Ubit> each of those modules use diference services
2017-08-03 21:25 <Ubit> robust suports V2
2017-08-03 21:26 <Ubit> for xmlrpc you need other thing  grid side
2017-08-03 21:26 <Plugh> colosi: Are you working on some web side service to maintain groups?
2017-08-03 21:27 <Ubit> several grids use xmlrpc ( osgrid for example )
2017-08-03 21:27 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2017-08-03 21:27 <BillBlight> I use a version of the XMLRPC, so it can be managed from my webpage
2017-08-03 21:28 <colosi> I was looking into something that a hosting provider asked me about.  But, I realized that I’d want to take group related action from within grid service code and couldn’t easily figure out how to do that.
2017-08-03 21:28 <colosi> Now, I’ve just gotten more curious about groups and the whole services-connector-module structure.
2017-08-03 21:29 <Ubit> v2 does have IGroupsServicesConnector
2017-08-03 21:29 <BillBlight> XMLRPC groups are much easier to use for "outside" influence ... IMHO
2017-08-03 21:29 <colosi> And I don’t really don’t love the “oh, just run some extra external service” solution.
2017-08-03 21:29 <colosi> Yes, I did see that Ubit.  Can you retrieve that from inside another grid service?
2017-08-03 21:30 <Ubit> also region modules
2017-08-03 21:30 <colosi> yup
2017-08-03 21:30 <Ubit> 3 of those acording to config
2017-08-03 21:32 <colosi> BillBlight, can you point me toward a doc link for XMLRPC groups?
2017-08-03 21:39 <BillBlight> It usese the flotsam groups spec .. I'll see if I can find it
2017-08-03 21:39 <BillBlight> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Enabling_Groups#XmlRpcGroups
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2017-08-03 23:59 <smxy> Hi Ubit. Were some of those commits, today, in response to the error messages I posted?
2017-08-03 23:59 <Ubit> yes
2017-08-03 23:59 <smxy> Thanks you!
2017-08-03 23:59 <smxy> Thank*
2017-08-04 00:00 <smxy> I shall update then. I hope you find reports like that useful.
2017-08-04 00:00 <Ubit> sure
2017-08-04 00:00 <smxy> Okay.
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2017-08-04 17:29 <smxy> Looks like Ubit is taking some "me time". He certainly can't have run out of things to fix (or break, as the case may be). :)
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2017-08-05 00:53 <smxy> Since July 8th, 63 HG visitors, from 31 grids, have visited Sanctuary 200 times.
2017-08-05 00:54 <smxy> I won't break any records with that, but it's not too shabby.
2017-08-05 04:42 <osmantis> Bug #7528:04 Discover Region Physics Engine Type by LSL Script Function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7528 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2017-08-05 15:52 <Plugh> I'm testing whether I have enabled an instance with HG support. I don't remember how to test it. What do you put in the map search field to look for a region in another grid?
2017-08-05 15:59 <smxy> what's your HG address and region name?
2017-08-05 16:24 <Plugh> I'd rather try going to a region in osgrid, for e.g. This is a commercial grid and not open to the general public.
2017-08-05 16:24 <Plugh> I'll have a go later. Just got the call for lunch.
2017-08-05 16:24 <smxy> I was simply going to see if I could see it in my map, but *shrug*.
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2017-08-05 16:45 <Plugh> smxy: ok, I'll pm you the information.
2017-08-05 16:59 <Plugh> When I try to HG TP to a remote site I get -> Cannot cast from source type to destination type
2017-08-05 16:59 <Plugh> That is what is says after saying the Service request failed.
2017-08-05 17:17 <Plugh> I wonder if it might be a firewall issue.
2017-08-05 17:25 <Plugh> I am getting an error message but I don't have a clue what it means.
2017-08-05 17:39 <Plugh> Why does GridHypergrid.ini have a [Profile] section??
2017-08-05 17:44 <smxy> If you want to know why, check git history for the commit message when it was added.
2017-08-05 18:28 <Plugh> good idea. I hadn't thought about doing that.
2017-08-05 18:29 <Plugh> hm... its been that way since May 27, 2011
2017-08-05 18:38 <Plugh> The section was added to three of the ini files on that date. Melanie removed the section from Grid.ini June 4, 2012.
2017-08-05 18:40 <Plugh> I'm thinking that it was an oversight to have left it in the GridHypergrid.ini file.
2017-08-05 18:41 <Plugh> Melanie removed it from Standalone.ini at the same time.
2017-08-05 19:11 <smxy> My Robust grid is working just fine, with it there. I think you better have a better reason than you seem to, before removing it. There is a core profile service. And it can work over the HG. Make sure you understand what you're doing before you go changing it.
2017-08-05 19:13 <Ubit> guess just forgotten there.. not even a nice way to find profiles module
2017-08-05 19:33 <djphil> Ubit : that the last i know ... https://github.com/kcozens/OpenSimProfile
2017-08-05 19:33 <djphil> But the last tests done with this profile module (v1) were inconclusive. This did not work properly
2017-08-05 19:43 <Plugh> Ubit, I'll push the change to remove that entry from GridHypergrid.ini
2017-08-05 19:45 <Plugh> djphil: I'll get back to the mysqli version of the search and profile modules eventually. Haven't felt like it for a while and a couple of other personal projects are higher on the todo list.
2017-08-05 19:45 <Plugh> um... s/mysqli/pdo/
2017-08-05 19:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #5772 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-08-05 19:46 <Plugh> bbl. Going to go for a walk.
2017-08-05 19:47 <djphil> Yes, I believe as you said it would have to check all the answers xml car already at the beginning it stuck ... after one can already more convert convert mysql to mysqli and to pdo
2017-08-05 19:50 <smxy> I trust you verified that that was not used by anyplace in the system before you killed it? I don't want my core profiles breaking.
2017-08-05 19:51 <smxy> The one Bluewall worked so hard on.
2017-08-05 19:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5772: SUCCESS in 8 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5772/
2017-08-05 19:52 <osjenkins> kevin: Remove profile from basic configuration
2017-08-05 20:19 <smxy> I saw this pop up in the middle of an HG visitor taking a copy of something from one of my regions: https://pastebin.com/AidRHzEP
2017-08-05 20:41 <Ubit> a conn closed
2017-08-05 20:42 <smxy> Yes. Just didn't know if it, or the context it was in, was an issue.
2017-08-05 20:43 <smxy> It was an "Error", not a Warming or and Info or some other level message. :)
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2017-08-06 01:04 <BillBlight> smxy, I'm getting those more and more, usually when someone times out, or more so when they connect from an .8x location ..
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2017-08-06 06:40 <osmantis> Bug #8226:04 Inventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8226 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2017-08-06 16:02 <smxy>  Typo: 12:02:01 - [ARCHIVER Warning]: object 1a8e5723-dec1-4103-b438-619b010f64ba 'Body Surf 4.73', at <55.38062, 77.72401, 20>, contains 2 references that may be to missing or damaged assets or not a problem
2017-08-06 16:03 <smxy> "may be to missing" - drop the 'to'. :)
2017-08-06 16:07 <smxy> Actually, re-reading that a few times, I see that I am, in fact, wrong. :) Sorry for the noise.
2017-08-06 16:10 <Plugh> "or not a problem"??  :)
2017-08-06 16:10 <Plugh> smxy: I think you were right the first time. Drop the 'to'
2017-08-06 16:11 <smxy> Nope.
2017-08-06 16:11 <Plugh> "that may be to missing" doesn't make any sense
2017-08-06 16:12 <smxy> It's saying that the references are to missong or dmaged assets, not that the references are missing or damaged.
2017-08-06 16:12 <smxy> So the 'to' is correct.
2017-08-06 16:12 <Plugh> to missing?? That doesn't make any sense to me
2017-08-06 16:12 <Plugh> Something could be missing but not "to missing".
2017-08-06 16:13 <smxy> A reference can point to something that doesn't exist.
2017-08-06 16:14 <smxy> Reomace 'be' with 'point' and you'll see what I mean.
2017-08-06 16:14 <smxy> Replace*
2017-08-06 16:17 <Plugh> Right. Either drop "to" or change "be" to "point"
2017-08-06 16:18 <smxy> Or just leave it be as it is, because I was wrong. :)
2017-08-06 16:18 <Plugh> As this is C# and not C there aren't pointers as such so dropping "to" might be the way to go. Someone who understands what that is really trying to say should be the one to change the message.
2017-08-06 16:19 <smxy> Yes, just leave it alone.
2017-08-06 16:19 <Plugh> I still think you were right the first time but I'll leave it to someone else to fix the message.
2017-08-06 18:59 <jakdaniels> I would add the word 'some' after 'to';)
2017-08-06 19:02 <Plugh> That also works. :)
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2017-08-06 22:26 <smxy> Part of me wishes this project had stayed with SVN, so that I could concentrate on learning the code and how to program in C#, without the additional burden of learning git, too.
2017-08-06 22:26 <Ubit> not sure learning c# in opensim is the best option :)
2017-08-06 22:28 <smxy> That just means there's an opportunity to learn how to refactor code. :)
2017-08-06 22:31 <smxy> But I need to learn how to make a branch, and keep it updated with Master. I suspect the former is easy, but not sure about the latter.
2017-08-06 22:31 <smxy> Reading up on git ...
2017-08-06 22:34 <smxy> How anyone ever thought git was simpler than SVN, is beyond me ...
2017-08-06 22:34 <Ubit> it has some nice features
2017-08-06 22:34 <Ubit> not sure "simpler" as a criteria
2017-08-06 22:34 <smxy> 99.99% od which I don't need.
2017-08-06 22:34 <smxy> of*
2017-08-06 22:35 <smxy> Trying to find the 0.01% I do, isn't simple. :)
2017-08-06 22:38 <Ubit> well i only know  push pull  commit, checkout..
2017-08-06 22:38 <Ubit> for the rest i cry for help to melanie :)
2017-08-06 22:38 <smxy> She won't be around forever.
2017-08-06 22:38 <smxy> :)
2017-08-06 22:39 <Ubit> no ??  man she is my age :p
2017-08-06 22:39 <Ubit> and what are mediuns for ?
2017-08-06 22:39 <smxy> medicines?
2017-08-06 22:40 <smxy> mediums?
2017-08-06 22:40 <Ubit> nah i meant mediums 
2017-08-06 22:40 <Ubit> :p
2017-08-06 22:40 <smxy> I do NOT want Melanie haunting us. :)
2017-08-06 22:40 <BillBlight> why not just pull the master, and push it to your own svn  ... Problem solved
2017-08-06 22:40 <Ubit> and can we really avoid it smxy ? :)
2017-08-06 22:40 <smxy> But then how do I keep it up to date with changes in Master?
2017-08-06 22:41 <smxy> Ubit: LOL
2017-08-06 22:41 <Ubit> ahh i also know clone :p
2017-08-06 22:41 <smxy> I know clone and pull :)
2017-08-06 22:41 <Ubit> you only need clone and pull  smxy
2017-08-06 22:41 <smxy> I clone opensim's git, and pull to keeo it up to date.
2017-08-06 22:41 <BillBlight> unless you are forking , you would never need anything else for git
2017-08-06 22:41 <Ubit> don't compile or change that repo
2017-08-06 22:42 <Ubit> so there will be no merge issues
2017-08-06 22:43 <smxy> Ubit: I don't I then check it out to another directory that I build in
2017-08-06 22:43 <BillBlight> just copy it after you pull it
2017-08-06 22:43 <smxy> But now I want to not build Master, but build a local branch, yet keep that branch up to date with Master
2017-08-06 22:43 <BillBlight> if you change it, it CAN'T be up to date with master
2017-08-06 22:44 <Ubit> git checkout master
2017-08-06 22:44 <Ubit> git pull
2017-08-06 22:44 <Ubit> fir checkout mybugs
2017-08-06 22:44 <BillBlight> you would need your own repo to sync/merge your changes
2017-08-06 22:44 <Ubit> git merge master
2017-08-06 22:44 <Ubit> ?
2017-08-06 22:45 <Ubit> git checkout master
2017-08-06 22:45 <Ubit> :)
2017-08-06 22:45 <BillBlight> Forinstance I have my own repo, and I just apply the patches I want from master (which is most of them) and work on my own repo .. 
2017-08-06 22:45 <Ubit> what you mean MOST ???
2017-08-06 22:45 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-08-06 22:45 <Ubit> :p
2017-08-06 22:46 <BillBlight> :P
2017-08-06 22:46 <smxy> Sigh. I'll go ask elsewhere.
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2017-08-06 22:48 <smxy> I'm sure I am not explaining myself properly. Please remember that I'm only a "little bit" developer. Enough to get myself in trouble. Let me say it in SVN terms. Maybe I will make more sense.
2017-08-06 22:48 <BillBlight> I think what you may want is a local tracking branch
2017-08-06 22:48 <BillBlight> a local branch that is untethered from the remote git, but tracks changes to the master
2017-08-06 22:49 <smxy> Maybe. Please let me explain what I want to do and then you can tell me if that's the right thing to do  ... in git.
2017-08-06 22:49 <BillBlight> I said that wrong, you need a local untracked branch
2017-08-06 22:49 <BillBlight> but you can still keep that in sync with the master ... 
2017-08-06 22:49 <BillBlight> this has some good info on local branches ... https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16408300/what-are-the-differences-between-local-branch-local-tracking-branch-remote-bra
2017-08-06 22:51 <smxy> If this were SVN, I'd make a brach of Trunk. In my branch, I'd make any changes I want. When I want a build, I build my branch. Now, people are still making changes in Trunk. I want those, too. So I would need to periodically merge Trunk into my branch, to stay up to date with changes there. THAT's what I want to do, but with Git.
2017-08-06 22:55 <BillBlight> so you need to make a local branch , pull the master to your branch make your changes, do whatever, then merge the master when you need to merge
2017-08-06 22:55 <BillBlight> but there are two types of branches, local and local tracking, a tracking branch is still tied to upstream branch ..  You would only need a local branch
2017-08-06 22:57 <smxy> right. Clone opensim git. make a local branch. Now it's identical to Master. Make all my changes in my branch. I just don't yet know how to merge in later changes from Master, yet.
2017-08-06 22:57 <BillBlight> so like ubit said , but while you are switched to your local branch , you would either isssue git merge master, or git rebase master ..
2017-08-06 22:58 <smxy> I assume I'd switch back to Master, pull, to get it up to date locally, then do something to merge its current state into my branch.
2017-08-06 22:58 <smxy> I don't know what rebase means yet.
2017-08-06 22:59 <smxy> What does git do, on a merge, if there's a conflict?
2017-08-06 22:59 <Ubit> bails out and asks you to fix the mess
2017-08-06 23:00 <BillBlight> yes
2017-08-06 23:00 <BillBlight> look at this might help some .. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7200614/how-to-merge-remote-master-to-local-branch
2017-08-06 23:00 <smxy> reading ...
2017-08-06 23:03 <smxy> I have a feeling I will be saving a copy of my local repo, before doing any merges, until I know what the hell I'm doing, heh :)
2017-08-06 23:04 <smxy> Thanks for the links, Bill.
2017-08-07 00:39 <Plugh> bbl. Going for a walk.
2017-08-07 07:14 <ssm2017> hello. i have seen that you were speaking about the profiles external module. for my opinion, osprofiles, ossearch, xml groups, offline ims... are in the core since a long time now and we should use them to debug them. (i am sad to know that the main test grid (osgrid) is still using theses external modules so sometimes people tell me that they have errors when hgtp ing to some grid because we are using V2 and dest grids are st
2017-08-07 07:14 <ssm2017> ill using V1...)
2017-08-07 11:25 <smxy> yes. I've been using core groups and profiles too. wish they were used by more.
2017-08-07 12:52 <smxy> There is a mirror of the OpenSim git reo, on github. It says it's updated every 10 minutes. But it shows the last commit at Nov. '15. Shouldn't it be showing something from a day or so ago, by Ubit? Is the mirror not being kept up any more?
2017-08-07 19:05 <misterblue> does anyone use 32 bit any more? When I update BulletSim, do I need to supply a version that runs on 32 bit systems?
2017-08-07 19:07 <BillBlight> Just ubit
2017-08-07 19:08 <BillBlight> ;)
2017-08-07 19:27 <smxy> There is a mirror of the OpenSim git reo, on github. It says it's updated every 10 minutes. But it shows the last commit at Nov. '15. Shouldn't it be showing something from a day or so ago, by Ubit? Is the mirror not being kept up any more?
2017-08-07 19:42 <Ubit> in theory 32bit is still suported
2017-08-07 19:43 <Ubit> ( that means XP and 32bint linux boxes )
2017-08-07 19:44 <Ubit> 32bint ? :) 32bit :)
2017-08-07 19:45 <Ubit> and so by conquence also 32bit on 64bit windows boxes
2017-08-07 19:46 <Ubit> something it seems MS now also promotes making the ANYCPU default be 32bit on 64b machines
2017-08-07 19:46 <Ubit> i can' guess why..  
2017-08-07 19:46 <Ubit> i mean i can...
2017-08-07 21:38 <nebadon> smxy my mirror should work on github
2017-08-07 21:38 <nebadon> https://github.com/nebadon2025/opensimulator
2017-08-07 21:40 <smxy> hmm, that's a different one from the so-called official one. How come there are two? I'll go look at that one right now, though.
2017-08-07 21:41 <smxy> yeah, last commit there is 2 days ago.
2017-08-07 21:41 <smxy> Definitely more current
2017-08-07 21:41 <nebadon> yea that official one hasnt work in a long time, im suprised its two years
2017-08-07 21:41 <smxy> Thanks, nebadon
2017-08-07 21:41 <nebadon> should be longer
2017-08-07 21:42 <smxy> I want to fork it, to play around in, and still be able to pull in the changes from core. This is just what I need. Thanks.
2017-08-07 21:43 <smxy> I really need to start being able to work with the code. So this'll be my sandbox.
2017-08-07 21:43 <smxy> nebadon: how often is your mirror updated?
2017-08-07 21:44 <nebadon> I want to say it checks every 5 minutes or something
2017-08-07 21:44 <smxy> often, then. cool
2017-08-07 21:50 <smxy> One of the next steps will be to figure out how to update my fork from yours, so I get updates ...
2017-08-07 21:50 <Ubit> rm -rf my fork
2017-08-07 21:50 <smxy> :p
2017-08-07 21:50 <Ubit> git clone goodOpenSimBugs
2017-08-07 21:50 <Ubit> :p
2017-08-07 21:51 <smxy> fork you :)
2017-08-07 21:51 <Ubit> :)
2017-08-07 21:52 <smxy> Seriously though, I need mine to stay up to date with neb's, except for any changes I make, of course. I'm sure it can be done. Just need to learn how, like anything else. :)
2017-08-07 21:52 <Ubit> using github may add extra complications
2017-08-07 22:00 <smxy> I see. You have to sync your local copy of your fork with the upstream master, then push it up to your github copy.
2017-08-07 22:06 <smxy> Though someone says this, about doing it directly on github: These comments all seem to depend on cloning the repo to your local computer and doing the fetch and merge there followed by a push. You can perform the sync to the upstream repo directly on github. Generate a pull request at the upstream repo (there is a link "compare forks") specifying your fork as the base and the upstream 
2017-08-07 22:06 <smxy> branch you want to merge as the head. Generate the pull request and if all goes well, you can accept your PR and you do not have to fetch both to your local site. The merge is done directly on github.
2017-08-07 22:09 <smxy> That seems like the smarter way to do it ...
2017-08-07 22:19 <BillBlight> yes smxy but that only works if you have write access to the master, which in this case you would not have write access to push to the master, but you could push to your own master ...  I may be misundertanding what you are saying ...
2017-08-07 22:21 <smxy> I'll have to try it when there is next a commit in neb's copy, but I think the way it works is you generate a pull request at his, but end up specifying that his is the source and mine is the destination. Then, when I see that PR at my side, and approve it, it pulls from his into mine.
2017-08-07 22:21 <BillBlight> For instance if you are pulling from Neb's clone of the Opensim master, he wants to keep his master ONLY in sync wit the origin master of the actual opensim master, he would not be accepting push or commits to it ..
2017-08-07 22:22 <smxy> Right
2017-08-07 22:25 <osmantis> Bug #8220:04 Failed to save state of script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8220 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-07 22:30 <Plugh> smxy: Did you see the private message I sent you the other day with information on using git.
2017-08-07 22:30 <smxy> Yes, thanks. 
2017-08-07 22:30 <smxy> Tried to say so then, but you'd left already.
2017-08-07 22:31 <Plugh> oh, ok. That page is notes I put together when I was dealing with having been forced to use git.
2017-08-07 22:31 <Plugh> There is some additional information I need to add that I mentioned in brief at the bottom of the page. I haven't worked on it in a while.
2017-08-07 22:32 <Plugh> The biggest pita re: git is when you get in to a merge conflict. You have to be careful what you do at that point to avoid losing work in progress changes.
2017-08-07 22:33 <smxy> From what I read, you should stash your uncommitted changes, first, then pop the stash afterwards.
2017-08-07 22:33 <Ubit> why clone his and now ours directly ?
2017-08-07 22:34 <Ubit> i mean why clone nebs repo and not ours ?
2017-08-07 22:34 <Plugh> smxy: When you try to stash pop is when you can hit the conflict.
2017-08-07 22:34 <Plugh> That is when things can get "interesting".  :P
2017-08-07 22:35 <smxy> yeah, which is why I'll lokely save off a copy of my local before attempting anything, for easy reset.
2017-08-07 22:35 <smxy> Ubit: Because his is on github?
2017-08-07 22:36 <Ubit> same thing
2017-08-07 22:36 <Ubit> you need local repo.. and local git... 
2017-08-07 22:36 <smxy> Yet another thing that Melanie won't allow for the project ...
2017-08-07 22:36 <Ubit> hmm ?
2017-08-07 22:37 <smxy> the project's git repo to be on github ...
2017-08-07 22:37 <Ubit> well no need while we have a box
2017-08-07 22:38 <smxy> Yes, I will be cloning my fork, locally. My fork track's neb's which tracks the official.
2017-08-07 22:40 <smxy> Well, the reason you have a box is because she doesn't want it on github.
2017-08-07 22:41 <Plugh> smxy: Save your uncommited changes to elsewhere before doing the stash in case you have a problem when it comes time to pop the stash.
2017-08-07 22:42 <Plugh> bbl. Dinner is almost ready.
2017-08-07 22:44 <smxy> So much to learn. :)
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2017-08-07 22:59 <BillBlight> smxy does not mattter if his is on git hub, that is just a site, git is git is git ...  it is all a git server
2017-08-07 23:00 <BillBlight> github just gives you a pretty web interface , you can clone from the actual master and push it to your own github, but syncing wth neb is ok too.  You are going to have an extra layer there, Master > Neb > You > Your github ... When you could just go Master > You > Your Github
2017-08-07 23:09 <smxy> But I can't go to Master and generate a pull request that will let me merge it with mine, as documented above, like I can with his (theoretically - haven't had a new commit to try it on, yet). It's a convenience thing is all.
2017-08-07 23:15 <BillBlight> I'm not even really doing that much, I pull the individual commit patches and apply the ones I want, just wrote a bash script to update the patches to my file structure, pull patch, fixpatch <patch> , patch -p0 patch , that way there is no question I am only applying the things I want ..
2017-08-07 23:29 <Plugh> smxy: indeed. Always something new to learn.
2017-08-07 23:32 <Plugh> When I try to HG TP to between grids both running 0.8.2 I get the "Unable to verify identify" message so the TP fails. I can TP to the destination grid when I come from osgrid that is running 0.9
2017-08-07 23:33 <Plugh> I know this was discussed a while ago here but I forgot what was discussed as a possible source of the error.
2017-08-07 23:35 <BillBlight> I'll see if I took notes, I fixed that problem with my grid a while, back when I was having it .. but don't remember off the top of my head how I fixed it .. Was a config/network change and it was easy .. just don't remember .. I'll go look
2017-08-07 23:46 <Plugh> ok, ty
2017-08-07 23:57 <BillBlight> well according to my notes, what my problem was is I had a descrpency in DNS vs the local host file, so that may not help you ..
2017-08-08 01:04 <Plugh> Bill, ty. I think that helps. I'm not getting anything when I look up the IP address. Odd. It should have returned something. I'm sure I had a reverse IP mapping set for the machine.
2017-08-08 01:18 <Plugh> I am getting a reverse DNS. Still getting error when TPing from Kitely. :P
2017-08-08 01:26 <Plugh> Robust says it is verifying www.domain against login.domain then says "unable to verify" and "refusing service".
2017-08-08 01:27 <BillBlight> ahhh hahh .. 
2017-08-08 01:28 <BillBlight> do you have maybe something wrong in your grid infos , maybe login on one, and www on another or did you change it at some point?
2017-08-08 01:28 <BillBlight> whatever your main  url is , is the one you should use for the HG address .. or it may puke ..   been there done that, chased it for a few days till I saw my typo ..
2017-08-08 01:32 <Plugh> I have BaseURL set to login. and that is used for the HomeURI in [Hypergrid].
2017-08-08 01:32 <BillBlight> for instance, if login.mygrid.com is your main url, then that needs to be the HG address, and also in the grid infos, and if on your local machine you ping the IP and it gets anythign other than login.mygrid.com, it may blow up ..  And if it is/was wrong it could be cached and my take a bit to resolve, or a robust restart
2017-08-08 01:32 <Plugh> It doesn't matter what URL I enter in the map while I'm in Kitely. Robust always says www vs login
2017-08-08 01:33 <Plugh> login. is used in the gridinfo as the loginURI
2017-08-08 01:33 <BillBlight> have you tried from a different grid other than kitely?
2017-08-08 01:33 <Plugh> yes. osgrid lets me in no problem.
2017-08-08 01:34 <BillBlight> soo kitely has the wrong addressed cached in their DNS and keeps resloving wrong
2017-08-08 01:34 <Ubit> yeap hg to kit and back works fine at osg
2017-08-08 01:34 <Ubit> hmm think also on my test grid
2017-08-08 01:34 <Ubit> well down now
2017-08-08 01:35 <BillBlight> I can test from my grid as well if you want to send me the address
2017-08-08 01:36 <Plugh> The reverse IP returns a www. if that makes a difference.
2017-08-08 01:37 <Plugh> When I do reverse IP lookup on osgrid it comes up with something completely different than its forward IP so doesn't sound like that should be the problem.
2017-08-08 01:37 <BillBlight> that will very much make a difference
2017-08-08 01:37 <BillBlight> hmmm
2017-08-08 01:37 <Plugh> why does it not make a difference coming from osgrid?
2017-08-08 01:37 <BillBlight> .9 vs custom kitely?  maybe
2017-08-08 01:38 <Plugh> I'm checking what Robust says when I HG TP in from osgrid
2017-08-08 01:40 <Plugh> Coming from osgrid I see verifying login. vs login. and I get in.
2017-08-08 01:41 <BillBlight> so it is a dns misfire from kitely, of some kind
2017-08-08 01:42 <Plugh> Bill, what version of OS are you using?
2017-08-08 01:43 <BillBlight> just a couple back from master
2017-08-08 01:43 <Plugh> ok. 
2017-08-08 01:43 <Plugh> I'd like to try an HG TP from another grid running 0.8.2
2017-08-08 01:44 <BillBlight> I can try from metro, if you would like
2017-08-08 01:44 <Plugh> They use 0.8.2?
2017-08-08 01:44 <BillBlight> they modded it a little but it is .8.2
2017-08-08 01:55 <Plugh> yea, I see that. I found an HG link to metropolis.
2017-08-08 01:56 <Plugh> an HG TP from there just fails but not the same way as it fails coming from Kitely.
2017-08-08 01:58 <Plugh> The log file for the target region tells me there is a protocol error.
2017-08-08 01:58 <Plugh> Bill, perhaps it is because I HG TPed to metro from osgrid first.
2017-08-08 01:59 <Plugh> Bill, do you have a direct login to Metro? If so I will PM you the URL I'm trying to use when coming from Kitely.
2017-08-08 01:59 <BillBlight> yes I have a direct login there
2017-08-08 01:59 <BillBlight> logging in now
2017-08-08 02:08 <smxy> I have found that Kitely sometimes needs to restart their robust so that it will pick up changes in IP addresses,
2017-08-08 02:09 <smxy> After I changed my address over a year ago, no one from there could HG TP to my grid for weeks and weeks until Ilan and I were troubleshooting it and he decided to throw a hail mary and restart Robust. Then it worked again.
2017-08-08 02:10 <smxy> We figured it was Mono.
2017-08-08 02:14 <Plugh> Thanks for the help, Bill. I'll tell the client that Kitely may need to restart their Robust.
2017-08-08 02:14 <BillBlight> no problem ... 
2017-08-08 02:14 <Plugh> What a waste of my time if that is the problem.
2017-08-08 02:14 <BillBlight> Crap , I should not have  helped you  ... Now going to ruin my reputation as a bully
2017-08-08 02:15 <BillBlight> :P
2017-08-08 02:15 <Plugh> hehe
2017-08-08 02:15 <Plugh> Perhaps I shouldn't have thanked you publically. :)
2017-08-08 02:15 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-08-08 02:15 <BillBlight> Maybe not .. damn people gonna think I like helping and stuff ...
2017-08-08 02:15 <BillBlight> :P
2017-08-08 02:18 <Plugh> I'm sure you can find a way to ruin your reputation again.  ;)
2017-08-08 02:25 <BillBlight> Yeah all I have to do is voice an opinion, speak an idea, or not agree with the status quo , and that should do it ... 
2017-08-08 02:47 <Ubit> what reputation ?
2017-08-08 02:47 <BillBlight> ^^ Good point
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2017-08-08 14:34 <djphil> Yeah Plugh :) You have deleted profile HG file information
2017-08-08 14:35 <djphil> It's already a little clearer :p
2017-08-08 14:36 <Plugh> The stock OpenSim ini files should not include a [Profile] section as that is only used by a third party add-on.
2017-08-08 14:37 <Plugh> bbl
2017-08-08 14:37 <djphil> Except for profile v2 (built-in)
2017-08-08 14:46 <djphil> For profile v1 (plug-in)
2017-08-08 14:46 <djphil> It is an OpenSim module so it should configure it as all opensim modules.
2017-08-08 14:46 <djphil> I mean that its configuration file containing ALL the configuration parameters of the v1 profile should be in:
2017-08-08 14:46 <djphil> bin / addon-modules / OpenSimProfile / config / OpenSimProfile.ini
2017-08-08 14:57 <osmantis> Bug #8227:04 SYSTEMIP does not work correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8227 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-08-08 15:00 <osmantis> Bug #8227:04 SYSTEMIP does not work correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8227 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-08 15:50 <Plugh> Putting the addon module ini file under addon-modules/ would be the "proper way" to do things. I just threw it in to OpenSim.ini at the time. I may eventually update the README for the module to point out the other way of providing the module ini.
2017-08-08 15:55 <djphil> why another way ? why not only one way ? ...
2017-08-08 15:58 <Plugh> It seems a bit odd to me to have a directory under addon-modules that contains nothing but a single directory with the ini it it. 
2017-08-08 15:58 <Plugh> I'm not sure what else might get put in the module specific directory under addon-modules/ other than the ini.
2017-08-08 16:02 <djphil> I'm just saying that it would make sense that all the opensim plug-ins are all installed in the same way (this includes the profile module v1)
2017-08-08 16:02 <djphil> Not another way or a way more ... but just one, the same for all.
2017-08-08 16:02 <djphil> Make things simple for the end user :)
2017-08-08 16:18 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2017-08-08 16:18 <Plugh> bbl. Going out soon for lunch.
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2017-08-08 18:05 <BillBlight> dev meeting?
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2017-08-09 22:46 <Ubit> changed http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsClearInertia
2017-08-09 22:46 <Ubit> and 
2017-08-09 22:46 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsSetInertia
2017-08-09 22:46 <Ubit> looks better ?
2017-08-09 23:03 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsSetInertiaAsBox
2017-08-09 23:22 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsSetInertiaAsCylinder also
2017-08-09 23:22 <Ubit> :)
2017-08-09 23:34 <Ubit> well changed a bit more :=
2017-08-10 00:14 <djphil> Yeah cool Ubit, this will gradually complete :)
2017-08-10 00:14 <Ubit> :)
2017-08-10 01:52 <osmantis> Bug #8227:04 SYSTEMIP does not work correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8227 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-10 12:31 <osmantis> Bug #8227:04 SYSTEMIP does not work correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8227 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-08-10 16:53 <osmantis> Bug #8227:04 SYSTEMIP does not work correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8227 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-10 17:00 <BBlight|Away> I hate when I see this in regards to Opensimulator , "We need to do everything we can to make the OpenSimulator as easy as possible."
2017-08-10 17:15 <smxy> Agreed. Complicated software should not be dumbed down. If you want to use it, you need to learn how to do so, or find someone who can, for you. That said, it's really NOT hard to set up OpenSim, and Ferd's distro makes it even simpler.
2017-08-10 17:17 <BillBlight> yep I always make the comparison to Apache, apache is not easy, but there are front ends that can make it easy to setup, but when you do it that way, you have no clue how to fix it when it does not work ..
2017-08-10 17:22 <djphil_> However, Apache is not intended for the same audience as Opensim ...
2017-08-10 17:24 <BillBlight> I don't think Opensim was originally intended for the general users either, 
2017-08-10 17:25 <djphil_> OpenSim != Secondlife :p
2017-08-10 17:27 <djphil_> Why make it simple when you can make complicated, that's the question :)
2017-08-10 17:28 <BillBlight> No the question is actually, "Why dumb it down , for people who refuse to learn, then complain when they break it?"
2017-08-10 17:28 <smxy> That.
2017-08-10 17:29 <smxy> Now, having said that, there should be completye and up to date and easy to follow instructions/documentation.
2017-08-10 17:29 <BillBlight> yep
2017-08-10 17:29 <smxy> That's where we tend to fail, as a project.
2017-08-10 17:30 <smxy> The wiki is a joke.
2017-08-10 17:30 <smxy> And now I have to go back to work. TTFN
2017-08-10 17:30 <BillBlight> The problem is when you dumb it down , you end up with "Windows Users" , generally speakihng, who all they know how to do is click a pretty picture , and don't really know how to do anything else .. It is a support nightmare .. 
2017-08-10 17:33 <djphil_> When several people say something identical it is often that there is a bit of truth in what they say ...
2017-08-10 17:34 <BillBlight> Truth and Right are not always the same things, easy is not always best ..
2017-08-10 17:35 <BillBlight> Easy tends to turn tech support into , "Moron Support" ... LOL :P
2017-08-10 17:36 <djphil_> We can phylosopher on this issue in IM if you want :)
2017-08-10 18:09 <osmantis> Bug #8227:04 SYSTEMIP does not work correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8227 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-10 18:23 <osmantis> Bug #8227:04 SYSTEMIP does not work correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8227 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-10 20:14 <osmantis> Bug #8227:04 SYSTEMIP does not work correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8227 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-08-11 12:45 <osmantis> Bug #8227:04 SYSTEMIP does not work correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8227 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-11 15:32 <Plugh> yup. I think I got bit again by the OpenSim code saying a setting has a given default and it doesn't.
2017-08-11 15:32 <Plugh> That's why I often set things manually as I don't trust the comments.
2017-08-11 15:47 <Plugh> I explicitly set SellEnable to true in [Economy] of OpenSim.ini and when I do "config get Economy" at the instance prompt it tells me there is no section called Economy.  What the ??
2017-08-11 17:11 <Plugh> I see the Economy settings at the console but I still can't create a group.
2017-08-11 18:32 <osmantis> Bug #8227:04 SYSTEMIP does not work correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8227 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-11 18:34 <Bill_Blight> Plugh, do you have an active curerncy module?
2017-08-11 18:34 <Bill_Blight> uggghh Manni
2017-08-11 18:35 <Plugh> Its ok. I've sorted it. I needed to change something in both OpenSim.ini and Robust.ini
2017-08-11 18:35 <Bill_Blight> well  yeah ..  :P
2017-08-11 18:35 <Plugh> The Economy section is showing up now. No idea why it wasn't before. It was odd.
2017-08-11 18:35 <Plugh> No, no currency module. 
2017-08-11 18:35 <Plugh> Just the default one to do things for $0.
2017-08-11 18:37 <Bill_Blight> wondering if SYSTEMIP should just be removed ... LOL
2017-08-11 18:37 <Bill_Blight> people seem to think it is a magical variable ... Not the first time this has come up
2017-08-11 18:37 <Plugh> Ack! Thunderstorm on its way again. 
2017-08-11 18:38 <Bill_Blight> I just think it is a bad idea to put stuff in core, that requires you to rely on an external resource to set sytem variables ... but that is just my .02
2017-08-11 18:55 <Plugh> It seems the person misunderstood the use of SYSTEMIP and now they still want to see it get the real external IP addy.
2017-08-11 18:55 <Bill_Blight> yep
2017-08-11 19:00 <Bill_Blight> The part that annoys me about requests like these, is that , Opensim can't and shouldn't do EVERYTHING for you , the fact that it has gotten end-user adoption is great, but that still does not mean you can just "NOT KNOW ANTHING". Just as an example,  setting up a minecraft server, which I still don't understand why it is so popular, has a HUGE learning curve, and people seem to do that 
2017-08-11 19:00 <Bill_Blight> fine . .  
2017-08-11 19:06 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2017-08-11 19:06 <Plugh> 
ACTION sighs

2017-08-11 19:06 <Plugh> Now I need to debug the baking system.
2017-08-11 19:07 <Plugh> Everytime I login I'm gray.
2017-08-11 19:07 <Plugh> I need to rebake every time.
2017-08-11 19:07 <Plugh> :P
2017-08-11 19:07 <nebadon> im pretty sure that is a bug with Singularity viewer
2017-08-11 19:08 <nebadon> wether bug is in opensim or singularity itself I cant say, but its only viewer that i have to bake every single time
2017-08-11 19:08 <nebadon> I think its something with transparent layer
2017-08-11 19:09 <nebadon> like if you are wearing mesh
2017-08-11 19:11 <Plugh> ok. I'm not wearing mesh but I am using Sing.
2017-08-11 19:11 <Plugh> This is also in a grid running 0.8.2 so who knows what other issues may be involved.
2017-08-11 19:14 <nebadon> yea i run 0.8.2 as well
2017-08-11 19:16 <osmantis> Bug #8227:04 SYSTEMIP does not work correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8227 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-11 19:20 <Bill_Blight> uggh
2017-08-11 19:23 <Plugh> Bill, indeed.
2017-08-11 19:24 <Plugh> Is Manni trying to say he doesn't even know how to flatten land or to have it start out flat by default?
2017-08-11 19:25 <Plugh> "I have a lot of support without such features."  Um... what??
2017-08-11 19:25 <Ubit> "I can not speak much English, so a problem with them." give him a break
2017-08-11 19:26 <Ubit> i understud the option he asked..  considered adding it a few times
2017-08-11 19:27 <Ubit> even upnp from Fred...  but yeack... 
2017-08-11 21:25 <smxy> I just had to re-read that email thread, because when he talked about "Sanctuary" being the issue, when involved in the TPs, I was like, "Wait, what?", because My grid is Sanctuary and a popular TP hub. Then after reading, further, I saw that he has a *region* called "Sanctuary in his grid ...
2017-08-11 21:29 <osmantis> Bug #8227:04 SYSTEMIP does not work correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8227 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-08-13 01:02 <osmantis> Bug #8228:04 llSetText() is not consistently working in touch_start() event 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8228 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-08-13 05:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #5773 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-08-13 05:09 <osmantis> Bug #8228:04 llSetText() is not consistently working in touch_start() event 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8228 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-13 05:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5773: FAILURE in 9 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5773/
2017-08-13 05:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change locking on sop updates
2017-08-13 05:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #5774 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5772 7 days 9 hr ago)
2017-08-13 05:40 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2017-08-13 05:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5774: FIXED in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5774/
2017-08-13 05:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: jenkins tests still don't set scene.IsRunning
2017-08-13 06:14 <osmantis> Bug #8228:04 llSetText() is not consistently working in touch_start() event 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8228 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-13 15:34 <velus> hey all
2017-08-13 17:21 <misterblue> smxy: working on BulletSim collisions and mantis 7132... first problem is it looks like collision end doesn't happen for both BulletSIm and ubODE. Is that what you see?
2017-08-13 17:41 <Bill_Blight> misterblue, before I switched completely to ubODE, it would just stop detecting collions, as well as volume detect would just stop working ..
2017-08-13 17:41 <Bill_Blight> a restart always got it working again, but had to restart about once a day, sometimes more often ..
2017-08-13 18:06 <misterblue> Bill_Blight: ya... mantis 7132 (collisions stopping) is the one I'm looking for... but finding problems as I set up tests
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2017-08-13 21:30 <smxy> Yes, if you TPed out of the region, collision_end never fired.
2017-08-13 21:30 <smxy> There was a mantis for that, too, separate from the collision events just stopping.
2017-08-13 21:30 <osmantis> Bug #8228:04 llSetText() is not consistently working in touch_start() event 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8228 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-13 21:30 <smxy> misterblue: ^^
2017-08-13 21:30 <Ubit> hmm?
2017-08-13 21:30 <Ubit> it should
2017-08-13 21:31 <osmantis> Bug #8228:04 llSetText() is not consistently working in touch_start() event 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8228 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-08-13 21:32 <smxy> I never tried to see with ubODE or ODE. But it was certainly true for Bulletsim.
2017-08-13 21:32 <Ubit> hmm well.. thinking a bit.. yes it is possibel
2017-08-13 21:32 <Ubit> grr and on sits also
2017-08-13 21:33 <smxy> If you collide with something, and it teleports you away, then you are not there colliding with it anymore, so collision end should fire.
2017-08-13 21:33 <Ubit> yes it should
2017-08-13 21:33 <smxy> But it didn't.
2017-08-13 21:33 <Ubit> but the avatar is deleted, not sending it.. i fear
2017-08-13 21:34 <Bill_Blight> I think that works on ubODE
2017-08-13 21:34 <smxy> In-region, it would fire. But not when the avi left the region.
2017-08-13 21:34 <Ubit> well not sure.. just its possible i forgot that also :)
2017-08-13 21:34 <smxy> I canonly speak about BS, as I never checke the other two.
2017-08-13 21:35 <smxy> Nope, looks like I did check ODE and it did the same. Mantis 7168
2017-08-13 21:36 <smxy> ubODE didn't exist at the time.
2017-08-13 21:37 <smxy> Like virtually all bugs I formally report, it just sits, years later, still in bew status. Don't know why this project even HAS a Mantis.
2017-08-13 21:37 <smxy> new*
2017-08-13 21:37 <Ubit> dont be bad :p
2017-08-13 21:38 <Ubit> 1% of the reports do have answer.. at least
2017-08-13 21:38 <Ubit> :p
2017-08-13 21:40 <Ubit> well i need to review the avatar removal from physics collisions case
2017-08-13 21:40 <Ubit> hmm can be tricky 
2017-08-13 21:41 <smxy> The issue with collision_end not firing *seemed* to be unrelated to objects simply not getting collision events at all, after some time.
2017-08-13 21:42 <Bill_Blight> ^^
2017-08-13 21:42 <Ubit> i just noticed that on bullet
2017-08-13 21:42 <smxy> So far, I have not yet had the latter happen, since switching to ubODE.
2017-08-13 21:42 <Ubit> seems it is just missing collsions
2017-08-13 21:42 <Ubit> when it shown a start, the end followed
2017-08-13 21:42 <Ubit> ( just did a little gun test with MB on my region )
2017-08-13 21:43 <Ubit> btw let me get my region back on ubOde
2017-08-13 21:43 <smxy> ODE and BS would see collision_start, but not collision_end.
2017-08-13 21:43 <Ubit> i always get scared when i forget :)
2017-08-13 21:44 <misterblue> smxy, that's what my tests are showing... start but no end collision
2017-08-13 21:44 <misterblue> but then ubit shows me an example that is working correctly
2017-08-13 21:44 <misterblue> not sure what the differences are
2017-08-13 21:44 <Ubit> just fails start a lot
2017-08-13 21:45 <smxy> Well, I only saw it and tested for it, in the case of an avi being TPed away from withiing collision_start.
2017-08-13 21:45 <Ubit> well this test was with a llvolumeDetector target
2017-08-13 21:45 <Ubit> did you test with that before ?
2017-08-13 21:45 <smxy> If the destination was in-region, collision_end fired. If the destination was out of the region/grid, collision_end would not fire.
2017-08-13 21:46 <misterblue> no... just with a normal prim
2017-08-13 21:46 <smxy> My testing had ZERO to do with volume detect.
2017-08-13 21:46 <smxy> Just regular collisions.
2017-08-13 21:46 <Ubit> ( i was asking MB smxy )
2017-08-13 21:46 <smxy> :)
2017-08-13 21:46 <misterblue> it does look like if it cannot create CollisionArgs() (the SOG or Presence are not in Scene) the end event doesn't happen
2017-08-13 21:47 <Ubit> possible 
2017-08-13 21:47 <misterblue> do TPing out or llDie'ing would stop things
2017-08-13 21:47 <Ubit> but that code is the same for ubOde and bullet
2017-08-13 21:47 <smxy> 
ACTION will hush now, and let the Devs dev.

2017-08-13 21:47 <misterblue> ya... and not significant changes from 082
2017-08-13 21:48 <Ubit> well and yeap  a llDie killes the script.. so.. no end :)
2017-08-13 21:49 <misterblue> the llDie is in the bullet (which got a start_collision)... the expected end_collision is in the target which doesn't happen because the bullet is gone
2017-08-13 21:49 <Ubit> ok changed llVolumeDetect to false
2017-08-13 21:49 <Ubit> and works on ubOde with that gun you seen
2017-08-13 21:49 <Ubit> ohh it seems it does have llDie
2017-08-13 21:50 <Ubit> yeap
2017-08-13 21:50 <Ubit> but by the time the lldie kicks in the end was done already
2017-08-13 21:50 <Ubit> odd
2017-08-13 21:51 <misterblue> the code seems to want to create all the information for the collision (for llDetected*) but an end_collision doesn't need a lot of that
2017-08-13 21:51 <Ubit> worry about that later :p
2017-08-13 21:52 <Ubit> hmm actually don't remember what info end wants
2017-08-13 21:52 <Ubit> but guess its pretty much the same
2017-08-13 21:52 <Ubit> at least is nice to have it
2017-08-13 21:53 <Ubit> hm or would if correct 
2017-08-13 21:53 <Ubit> brb
2017-08-13 22:07 <Ubit> back
2017-08-13 22:09 <Ubit> yeap got scared again looking to taskmanager opensim mem sue
2017-08-13 22:09 <Ubit> use
2017-08-13 22:09 <Ubit> forgot i was running a 82 also :p
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2017-08-13 23:39 <Ubit> ohh sit on ubOde did trigger a end collision
2017-08-13 23:39 <Plugh> Is it supposed to do that?
2017-08-13 23:40 <Ubit> yes plugh.. but this was for smxy and MB from talk bf you log
2017-08-13 23:40 <Plugh> np. Was just wondering.
2017-08-13 23:40 <Plugh> Thought you might have found a bug.
2017-08-13 23:40 <Ubit> so you are out of context :)
2017-08-13 23:41 <Ubit> no the oposite
2017-08-13 23:41 <Plugh> makes a nice change
2017-08-13 23:41 <Ubit> i was considering it may not work
2017-08-13 23:41 <Ubit> could not work, i mean
2017-08-13 23:42 <Ubit> hmm the tp case.. i need a alt 
2017-08-13 23:45 <Ubit> yeap not on tp grrr
2017-08-13 23:46 <Ubit> actually, it can't
2017-08-13 23:46 <Ubit> avatar is gone.. no info 
2017-08-13 23:47 <Ubit> not even who was the avatar
2017-08-13 23:48 <Ubit> ( collsions use a localID for objects and avatars )
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2017-08-14 00:49 <smxy> It's still logically wrong for collision_end to not fire. :)
2017-08-14 00:49 <Ubit> well the sit case does trigger it
2017-08-14 00:49 <Ubit> but tp.. can't
2017-08-14 00:49 <Ubit> well unless some deep changes
2017-08-14 00:50 <Ubit> from sl:
2017-08-14 00:51 <Ubit> "This event does not always trigger reliably"
2017-08-14 00:52 <Ubit> well ill look to that someday
2017-08-14 00:52 <Ubit> of possible MB will
2017-08-14 00:52 <smxy> I think it's of vastly lesser concern than the issue of objects simply not getting collisions after a time.
2017-08-14 00:53 <smxy> Unless they are related.
2017-08-14 00:53 <Ubit> MB is looking to bullet on that
2017-08-14 00:53 <Ubit> hmm after a time?
2017-08-14 00:55 <smxy> Yes. They work for a random amount of time and then simply stop getting collisions.
2017-08-14 00:55 <smxy> A region restart fixes it.
2017-08-14 00:55 <smxy> Have you not read the mantis?
2017-08-14 00:55 <smxy> 7132
2017-08-14 00:56 <smxy> It used to be a big deal for me, because for a time BS was the only physics engine you could use with a var. No that I can use ubODE, and it doesn't appear to have this problem, I'm much less concerned about it.
2017-08-14 00:56 <Ubit> Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim <. do u thing i read? :p
2017-08-14 00:56 <smxy> But ti would be nice to get it fixed.
2017-08-14 00:57 <Ubit> and 2014  i don't look much that far on mantis
2017-08-14 00:58 <Ubit> hmm lazy to start bullet again
2017-08-14 00:58 <Ubit> if you place a physical prim on top of another
2017-08-14 00:58 <Ubit> and that remove that one, what happens to top prim =
2017-08-14 00:58 <smxy> :)
2017-08-14 00:58 <Ubit> ?
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2017-08-14 21:04 <diva_> Ubit ping
2017-08-14 21:04 <Ubit> pong
2017-08-14 21:04 <Ubit> welcome :)
2017-08-14 21:04 <diva_> hi, thanks :)
2017-08-14 21:04 <diva_> so are we ready for release?
2017-08-14 21:05 <Ubit> well meanwhile misterblue started to look to some old bullet issues
2017-08-14 21:05 <misterblue> you can do the release and I'll add some fixes when I have them :)
2017-08-14 21:05 <Ubit> so the question is  should release wait for his revision or not :(
2017-08-14 21:06 <Ubit> ahh you are here.. good
2017-08-14 21:06 <Plugh> Is there anything major that is in the works?
2017-08-14 21:06 <diva_> ok, let me pull the whole thing, run tests, etc.
2017-08-14 21:06 <Plugh> If there is some other (important??) BS changes coming soon we could start by doing an rc release.
2017-08-14 21:07 <Ubit> we all know bugs will show up the next hour after a release ;)
2017-08-14 21:07 <Ubit> we all know..
2017-08-14 21:07 <Plugh> yup. :)
2017-08-14 21:07 <diva_> are the perms issues all fixed, Ubit?
2017-08-14 21:07 <Ubit> no reports
2017-08-14 21:07 <diva_> that was what slowed me down back in April
2017-08-14 21:07 <diva_> great
2017-08-14 21:07 <Plugh> let's hope that no news is good news.
2017-08-14 21:08 <Ubit> nahh its just no news :)
2017-08-14 21:08 <diva_> I see that libomv was updated?
2017-08-14 21:08 <Plugh> yeah, I know.
2017-08-14 21:08 <Plugh> :P
2017-08-14 21:08 <diva_> I hope it was compiled in windows
2017-08-14 21:09 <Ubit> yes it was..  i found a few issues and updated it, dahlia took the time to also add some pending  requestes
2017-08-14 21:09 <diva_> great
2017-08-14 21:10 <diva_> man, it's a strange thing when I'm a few months away from opensim code, and then come back. It's like a familiar place :)
2017-08-14 21:10 <Ubit> :)
2017-08-14 21:11 <diva_> so if this passes all my tests, I should just merge master into the rc branch, yes?
2017-08-14 21:11 <diva_> no cherry picking anything
2017-08-14 21:12 <Ubit> yeap guess so
2017-08-14 21:12 <Ubit> possible we have more people running master than rc2
2017-08-14 21:13 <Ubit> or at least the osg weekly builds of master
2017-08-14 21:14 <diva_> ok
2017-08-14 21:15 <diva_> I love the black background windows of when I'm coding! argh! been too long in admin-management-land!
2017-08-14 21:16 <diva_> admin-management = white background tools
2017-08-14 21:16 <Ubit> yeack
2017-08-14 21:16 <diva_> yeah, and they can't be changed. I hate it
2017-08-14 21:18 <diva_> great, the perms tests I wrote back in April are still all pass
2017-08-14 21:18 <Ubit> yeap they run on all pushs
2017-08-14 21:19 <Ubit> ( jenkins )
2017-08-14 21:19 <diva_> oh cool, you were able to figure that out? I never quite learned how to change anything in the build process
2017-08-14 21:19 <Ubit> hmm? think you left them running fine
2017-08-14 21:19 <diva_> no, I didn't do anything
2017-08-14 21:20 <diva_> I think we need to explicitly state which dlls to run tests
2017-08-14 21:20 <Ubit> inst that autodiscover ?
2017-08-14 21:22 <diva_> I don't know. I doubt it...
2017-08-14 21:22 <Ubit> well possible i just assumed they where
2017-08-14 21:23 <diva_> ok, let me spend 10 mins trying to figure ot out
2017-08-14 21:24 <Ubit> well VS does autodetect them
2017-08-14 21:24 <Ubit> ( with the plugin instaled )
2017-08-14 21:26 <diva_> yeah I think we need to list them. I see the names of other tests dlls in some files of jenkins
2017-08-14 21:27 <Ubit> but don't see them on jenkins logs
2017-08-14 21:30 <diva_> I think I found it
2017-08-14 21:31 <diva_> The perms tests take about 1 minute. Should I add them?
2017-08-14 21:32 <Ubit> for coerence add them or take all out :)
2017-08-14 21:32 <Ubit> ( plz plz take all out)
2017-08-14 21:32 <Ubit> lol
2017-08-14 21:32 <diva_>  ok, let me try
2017-08-14 21:32 <smxy> "coerence"?
2017-08-14 21:32 <Ubit> ohh guess the right word :p
2017-08-14 21:32 <Plugh> coherence
2017-08-14 21:32 <Plugh> you want to take out tests?
2017-08-14 21:33 <smxy> He may have been joking about that. :)
2017-08-14 21:33 <diva_> no, I'm thinking of adding the perms tests 
2017-08-14 21:33 <Ubit> well most are just a pain.. but.. nahh they are ocasionaly usefull
2017-08-14 21:34 <Ubit> but someday someone needs to update them 
2017-08-14 21:35 <Ubit> well for ppl like smxy i should warn i did change wiki a bit, someone needs to translate my text to EN  :)
2017-08-14 21:36 <smxy> Oh, is it all in Martian now? ;)
2017-08-14 21:36 <Ubit> or worse :p
2017-08-14 21:36 <smxy> lol
2017-08-14 21:37 <Ubit> hmm last time  i looked to mirror i wasn't green.. hmm but that was long time aog
2017-08-14 21:38 <Ubit> ohh that reminded me that SL place called grennies..  was nice
2017-08-14 21:43 <diva_> hey so how do I retsart jenkins?
2017-08-14 21:44 <Ubit> no idea
2017-08-14 21:44 <Ubit> mb that way ? :)
2017-08-14 21:44 <diva_> oh I figure it out
2017-08-14 21:45 <diva_> ... i hooe
2017-08-14 21:45 <diva_> ... i hope
2017-08-14 21:45 <Ubit> :)
2017-08-14 21:45 <diva_> it quit. will it ocme back?
2017-08-14 21:45 <diva_> let me do a dummy push
2017-08-14 21:46 <diva_> oh hello osjenkins
2017-08-14 21:46 <diva_> alright, I should probably write down what I did, or I will forget
2017-08-14 21:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #5775 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2017-08-14 21:52 <Plugh> It would be quite funny to see Jenkins report a build failure.  :D
2017-08-14 21:53 <diva_> knock on wood!!
2017-08-14 21:53 <Ubit> bahh does that to me all the time :p
2017-08-14 21:53 <Ubit> he hates me
2017-08-14 21:54 <Ubit> ( that FIXED means a fail just before :) )
2017-08-14 21:56 <Ubit> in that case, was just that some tests only setup a simplified simulator enviroment
2017-08-14 21:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5775: SUCCESS in 7 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5775/
2017-08-14 21:56 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Added comment just to trigger jenkins
2017-08-14 21:57 <Ubit> i had a check for scene.IsRunning  or crossings and  the tests dont set it..
2017-08-14 21:57 <Ubit> well details
2017-08-14 21:57 <Ubit> now did he run the perms tests ?
2017-08-14 21:58 <diva_> hmm it didn't
2017-08-14 21:58 <Ubit> yeap seems not
2017-08-14 21:58 <diva_> ok, so must be somewhere else
2017-08-14 22:00 <Ubit> hmm our page is sloww sloow or its just me ?
2017-08-14 22:00 <Ubit> hmm me i guess
2017-08-14 22:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #5776 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-08-14 22:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5776: SUCCESS in 5 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5776/
2017-08-14 22:07 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Another comment for testing jenkins
2017-08-14 22:08 <diva_> hmmm still no
2017-08-14 22:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #5777 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-08-14 22:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5777: FAILURE in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5777/
2017-08-14 22:19 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Listed new testable dll in THIS file
2017-08-14 22:19 <Ubit> hmm
2017-08-14 22:20 <diva_> ahaha
2017-08-14 22:20 <Ubit> hmm ?
2017-08-14 22:20 <diva_> it still didn't find it?!
2017-08-14 22:20 <Ubit> guess not
2017-08-14 22:21 <diva_> or maybe it crashed when it got to it?
2017-08-14 22:21 <Ubit> ahh it failed
2017-08-14 22:21 <Ubit> lol
2017-08-14 22:22 <Ubit> Property evaluation failed.
2017-08-14 22:22 <Ubit> Expression: ${int::parse(testresult.opensim.tests.permissions)==0}
2017-08-14 22:22 <Ubit>                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
2017-08-14 22:22 <Ubit>     Property 'testresult.opensim.tests.permissions' has not been set.
2017-08-14 22:22 <diva_> where dod you see that?
2017-08-14 22:22 <Ubit> on its console
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2017-08-14 22:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #5778 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5776 24 min ago)
2017-08-14 22:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5778: STILL FAILING in 5 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5778/
2017-08-14 22:31 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Forgot to add this too (nant auto tests)
2017-08-14 22:32 <Ubit> bad jenkins
2017-08-14 22:32 <diva_> great, at least it found the tests!
2017-08-14 22:32 <Ubit> they did pass for you right?
2017-08-14 22:33 <diva_> yeah. weird
2017-08-14 22:35 <Ubit> yeap same here
2017-08-14 22:35 <Ubit> exception on setup ??
2017-08-14 22:36 <diva_> bet it's some differences of mono vs windows
2017-08-14 22:37 <Ubit> Common.TheInstance.DeleteObjectsFolders();
2017-08-14 22:37 <Ubit> something on this is null
2017-08-14 22:39 <diva_> nunit is older on that box
2017-08-14 22:39 <diva_> now how to update it...
2017-08-14 22:39 <Ubit> think we are using some version on win
2017-08-14 22:40 <Ubit> 2.something
2017-08-14 22:40 <diva_> my version on my windows machine is 2.6.2. The one in opensimulator is 2.6.32
2017-08-14 22:40 <diva_> my version on my windows machine is 2.6.2. The one in opensimulator is 2.4.8
2017-08-14 22:41 <Ubit> hmm what calls Common.Setup ?
2017-08-14 22:41 <diva_> The fact that it's a SetUpFixture
2017-08-14 22:42 <diva_> it's supposed to be called once in the beginning of it all
2017-08-14 22:42 <diva_> but it may be only for 2.6
2017-08-14 22:42 <Ubit> well why did i ask having the debug in from of me :)
2017-08-14 22:42 <Ubit> yeack... its nUnit
2017-08-14 22:43 <diva_> well I think I'm going to update it in the box
2017-08-14 22:44 <diva_> hmm
2017-08-14 22:45 <diva_> not sure how to
2017-08-14 22:50 <BillBlight> careful upldating nunit-console, the new version uses a different version of the testreults.xml , I fought that for a while
2017-08-14 22:51 <diva_> oh? yikes
2017-08-14 22:51 <diva_> how did you fix it?
2017-08-14 22:54 <diva_> BliiBlight? ^
2017-08-14 22:54 <diva_> BillBlight? ^
2017-08-14 22:55 <BillBlight> I had to update jenkins with a new test results plugin
2017-08-14 22:55 <diva_> oh geez... rabbit hole again. I don't have time for this right now. Guess the test will be left out for some more time
2017-08-14 22:56 <Ubit> yeah not essencial
2017-08-14 22:57 <Ubit> and this maybe just mono confused with that common init
2017-08-14 22:58 <Ubit> hmm
2017-08-14 22:59 <Ubit> ok
2017-08-14 22:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #5779 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #5776 57 min ago)
2017-08-14 23:04 <BillBlight> test runs and succeeds on my box with the master, so it is most likely a nunit/mono issue
2017-08-14 23:04 <Ubit> yeap they also run fine on VS
2017-08-14 23:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5779: NOW UNSTABLE in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5779/
2017-08-14 23:04 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Comment that test dll for now. It's making jenkins fail.
2017-08-14 23:05 <Ubit> hmm ?
2017-08-14 23:05 <Ubit> what was this now ?
2017-08-14 23:06 <Ubit> Build step 'Publish NUnit test result report' changed build result to UNSTABLE
2017-08-14 23:06 <Ubit> yeack
2017-08-14 23:08 <diva_> wtf
2017-08-14 23:11 <Ubit> hmm it still reports the fails
2017-08-14 23:11 <diva_> yeah I don't understand
2017-08-14 23:12 <Ubit> mb they are stored somewhere and need a sucess to clear?
2017-08-14 23:12 <diva_> maybe, let me trigger build again
2017-08-14 23:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #5780 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: NOW UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #5776 1 hr 13 min ago)
2017-08-14 23:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5780: STILL UNSTABLE in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5780/
2017-08-14 23:20 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Comment to trigger jenkins
2017-08-14 23:21 <diva_> wtf
2017-08-14 23:32 <Plugh> ?
2017-08-14 23:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #5781 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #5776 1 hr 31 min ago)
2017-08-14 23:34 <diva_> I suspect the UNSTABLE thing happens when tests fail and then ppl remove them from the pipeline. Whihc is what I did
2017-08-14 23:34 <Ubit> yeap my guess also
2017-08-14 23:35 <diva_> arg, my hack is still not enough
2017-08-14 23:35 <Ubit> damm                 Common c = new Common();
2017-08-14 23:35 <Ubit>                 c.SetUp();
2017-08-14 23:35 <diva_> yeah
2017-08-14 23:36 <Ubit> i had forgotten that testing adding the same code
2017-08-14 23:36 <Ubit> i mean the new Common :)
2017-08-14 23:36 <Ubit> but stil fails ?
2017-08-14 23:38 <diva_> it will fail. That's the wrong fix. I have the right one next
2017-08-14 23:38 <Ubit> ok
2017-08-14 23:39 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2017-08-14 23:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5781: FIXED in 5 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5781/
2017-08-14 23:39 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Strengthen the tests for the possibility that SetUpFixture does not run in the beginning.
2017-08-14 23:39 <Ubit> LOL
2017-08-14 23:39 <diva_> whadda
2017-08-14 23:39 <diva_> nutsky
2017-08-14 23:40 <diva_> the fix is wrong
2017-08-14 23:40 <Ubit> :)
2017-08-14 23:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #5782 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2017-08-14 23:42 <Ubit> well ends up doing the same
2017-08-14 23:42 <diva_> at least the tests pass
2017-08-14 23:42 <Ubit> guess that nUnit does not call communSetupt
2017-08-14 23:43 <Ubit> but this code guess ends up doing the same as previus one
2017-08-14 23:43 <Ubit> but cleaner
2017-08-14 23:44 <Ubit> ( and now jenkins makes fun of us and fails :) )
2017-08-14 23:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5782: SUCCESS in 5 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5782/
2017-08-14 23:46 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: This is the correct work around. Jenkins is confuzzled.
2017-08-14 23:46 <Ubit> cool :)
2017-08-14 23:47 <diva_> I'm reading more on SetUpFixture
2017-08-14 23:47 <diva_> there may be windows vs linux issues at play too
2017-08-14 23:47 <Ubit> possible
2017-08-14 23:47 <Ubit> well need to get cigars.. grrr
2017-08-14 23:48 <Ubit> brb
2017-08-14 23:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #5783 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-08-14 23:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5783: FAILURE in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5783/
2017-08-14 23:55 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Let's try giving Common a default constructor instead of the workaround
2017-08-14 23:55 <diva_> nope
2017-08-14 23:55 <diva_> ok then
2017-08-14 23:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #5784 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5782 15 min ago)
2017-08-15 00:02 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2017-08-15 00:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5784: FIXED in 5 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5784/
2017-08-15 00:02 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Revert "Let's try giving Common a default constructor instead of the workaround"
2017-08-15 00:23 <Ubit> back
2017-08-15 00:23 <Ubit> ohh still having fun with jenkis ?
2017-08-15 00:23 <Ubit> :)
2017-08-15 01:50 <misterblue> merging master into branch BulletSim2017... I thought the branches didn't show up here
2017-08-15 01:50 <misterblue> after a little more testing, I'll merge the BulletSim2017 branch into master
2017-08-15 01:51 <misterblue> found the 'does not record collisions' problem but not the 'stops sending collisions' problem
2017-08-15 01:51 <Ubit> ok
2017-08-15 01:52 <Ubit> so now you have "start" but still missing some "end" ?
2017-08-15 01:55 <osmantis> Bug #8010:04 BulletSim does not always call collision events on collisions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8010 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-15 02:05 <misterblue> there is Mantis8011 which talks about terrain collisions... that still fails
2017-08-15 02:05 <misterblue> the 'end' problem is a general problem of the object being gone when the collision_end event should happen
2017-08-15 02:06 <misterblue> ODE must be doing something different than BUlletSim but the real fix is the code in SceneObjectPart which needs to save the information about the collision earlier rather than just looking it up when the collision end tries to happen
2017-08-15 02:10 <Ubit> u mean a gone localID ?
2017-08-15 02:12 <misterblue> yes
2017-08-15 02:12 <misterblue> the collision_end happens after the SOG for the localID is gone
2017-08-15 02:13 <Ubit> possible lastcolliders could contain the relevant info ?
2017-08-15 02:14 <Ubit> or a paralell thing
2017-08-15 02:14 <misterblue> from the LL documentation, it looks like llDetect* should return the information about the colliding object even if it is gone
2017-08-15 02:14 <Ubit> yeap possible should update it on each collsion report
2017-08-15 02:14 <misterblue> that's what I would do -- package the information into lastColliders
2017-08-15 02:42 <Ubit> mb let that to after the release
2017-08-15 02:42 <Ubit> oe leave..
2017-08-15 04:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #5785 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2017-08-15 04:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5785: SUCCESS in 8 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5785/
2017-08-15 04:37 <osjenkins> misterblue: Refactor archive loading to optionally start script engine after loading.
2017-08-15 05:14 <osmantis> Bug #8011:04 BulletSim fails to send land_collision messages on some terrain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8011 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-15 09:05 <osmantis> Bug #8229:04 Updated ODE dylib for macOS (OS X) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8229 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-08-15 09:06 <osmantis> Bug #8229:04 Updated ODE dylib for macOS (OS X) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8229 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2017-08-15 15:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #5786 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-08-15 15:05 <osmantis> Bug #8229:04 Updated ODE dylib for macOS (OS X) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8229 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-15 15:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5786: SUCCESS in 8 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5786/
2017-08-15 15:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libode for MAC, thanks again Gavin Hird
2017-08-15 16:06 <misterblue> I haven't found anything wrong with the BulletSim2017 branch so I'm going to merge it into master and let people  test
2017-08-15 16:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #5787 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-08-15 16:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5787: SUCCESS in 5 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5787/
2017-08-15 16:18 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Update BulletSim with Bullet V2.86.
2017-08-15 16:18 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Update BulletSim with corrected collision computations.
2017-08-15 16:18 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BUlletSim: return better terrain height in
2017-08-15 16:18 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: remove chatty debug message.
2017-08-15 17:48 <misterblue> the merge goes on forever
2017-08-15 18:06 <BillBlight> dev meeting
2017-08-15 18:06 <BillBlight> ..
2017-08-15 18:07 <BillBlight> was asked to prod the devs about the meeting 
2017-08-15 18:07 <BillBlight> 
ACTION *prods the devs

2017-08-15 18:08 <Plugh> hm... someone just pushed a ton of stuff.
2017-08-15 18:22 <Plugh> Time for the weekly meeting in osgrid.
2017-08-16 04:31 <Ubit> ( end flood : ) )
2017-08-16 06:16 <osmantis> Bug #8231:04 Unreachable code warning 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8231 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-08-16 06:31 <osmantis> Bug #8231:04 Unreachable code warning 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8231 ): has been UPDATED.
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2017-08-16 22:37 <Ubit> GRrrrrrrr
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2017-08-16 22:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #5788 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-08-16 22:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5788: SUCCESS in 8 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5788/
2017-08-16 22:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix llRot2Axis(ZERO_ROTATION) and non normalized inputs, same for llRot2Angle()
2017-08-17 00:52 <BillBlight> Love me some httptests ...  ;)
2017-08-17 01:16 <Ubit> hmm ? love you ?
2017-08-17 02:45 <nebadon> Newton and Sisyphus are updated now latest physics doo-dads plus mono 5.4.0 now
2017-08-17 02:45 <Ubit> :)
2017-08-17 02:45 <Ubit> doo-dads :)
2017-08-17 02:49 <nebadon> physics are physicing :P
2017-08-17 02:49 <nebadon> seems good so far
2017-08-17 02:49 <Ubit> :)
2017-08-17 02:50 <nebadon> hmm
2017-08-17 02:50 <nebadon> that physics machine thing with the green ball
2017-08-17 02:50 <nebadon> is going bonkers on  UbODE
2017-08-17 02:51 <nebadon> yea something not right there
2017-08-17 02:51 <Ubit> green balls.. hmm  bad thingies
2017-08-17 02:51 <Ubit> hm sys is on ubode?
2017-08-17 02:53 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim_video/bonker_ball_01.mp4
2017-08-17 02:53 <nebadon> yes
2017-08-17 02:53 <nebadon> seems ok on Bulletsim
2017-08-17 02:54 <Ubit> hmm
2017-08-17 02:57 <Ubit> yeap cute think
2017-08-17 02:57 <nebadon> yea
2017-08-17 02:57 <Ubit> need to work on that case a bit more :p
2017-08-17 02:58 <Ubit> i did fix a copy..  but well
2017-08-17 02:58 <nebadon> the dreaded cuteulala doodad corner case dilema
2017-08-17 02:58 <nebadon> cutes proably better at breaking opensim than I am hehe
2017-08-17 02:58 <Ubit> and you should see her NaNs  
2017-08-17 03:00 <Ubit> yeap have in inv a "Ball Machine Test broken by ubit" that works better
2017-08-17 03:00 <Ubit> :9
2017-08-17 03:00 <nebadon> lol
2017-08-17 03:01 <Ubit> but yeap i still need to handle those type of collsions better
2017-08-17 03:01 <Ubit> well or try
2017-08-17 03:03 <Ubit> its that corner and a few other spots
2017-08-17 03:04 <nebadon> hmm
2017-08-17 03:04 <nebadon> my McLaren is pretty terrible under the latest Bulletsim
2017-08-17 03:04 <nebadon> doesnt turn very well
2017-08-17 03:04 <nebadon> pretty much doesnt turn at all
2017-08-17 03:04 <nebadon> its like its stuck in sand feleing
2017-08-17 03:04 <nebadon> feeling*
2017-08-17 03:06 <nebadon> hmm standing then sitting helped, feels a bit better now
2017-08-17 03:06 <nebadon> bit jumpy though
2017-08-17 03:11 <nebadon> im getting stuck on things alot with vehicle too
2017-08-17 03:11 <Ubit> ubOde or bullet ?
2017-08-17 03:11 <nebadon> bullet
2017-08-17 03:11 <Ubit> 
ACTION does not point to misterblue --->>

2017-08-17 03:11 <nebadon> ubeOde seems ok
2017-08-17 03:12 <nebadon> i drive over border few times between them too
2017-08-17 03:12 <nebadon> still that annoying bug where car gets stuck in burn out
2017-08-17 03:12 <nebadon> not sure why it does that
2017-08-17 03:12 <Ubit> i knew we had reasons to have 2 engines..
2017-08-17 03:13 <Ubit> gets stuck ?
2017-08-17 03:13 <nebadon> yea if you shift the burn out particles and sounds keep going
2017-08-17 03:13 <Ubit> smoke you mean
2017-08-17 03:13 <nebadon> if you start in burn out
2017-08-17 03:13 <nebadon> ya
2017-08-17 03:13 <Ubit> yeap
2017-08-17 03:13 <Ubit> script
2017-08-17 03:13 <nebadon> you have to totally stop vehicle
2017-08-17 03:14 <nebadon> yea something must have changed
2017-08-17 03:14 <nebadon> the vehicle was fine for longest time
2017-08-17 03:14 <nebadon> then one day it just started doing it after an update
2017-08-17 03:15 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/opensim_video/bullet_mclaren_001.mp4
2017-08-17 03:17 <Ubit> hmm
2017-08-17 03:17 <Ubit> when i got that scritp it already did that
2017-08-17 03:18 <Ubit> thats bullet or ode ?
2017-08-17 03:18 <Ubit> the soft wall
2017-08-17 03:18 <nebadon> bullet
2017-08-17 03:32 <Ubit>         Speed = llVecMag(llGetVel());
2017-08-17 03:32 <Ubit>         if(Speed < 0.3) {
2017-08-17 03:32 <Ubit>             llParticleSystem([]);
2017-08-17 03:34 <Ubit> ugly scripts
2017-08-17 03:34 <Ubit> whatever
2017-08-17 03:35 <Ubit> can see how that script could had ever worked fine
2017-08-17 17:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #5789 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-08-17 17:43 <colosi> Okay, I’ll submit a mantis when I have a few minutes to do so.
2017-08-17 17:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5789: SUCCESS in 8 min 40 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5789/
2017-08-17 17:43 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: Update macOS version of BulletSim with Bullet 2.86 and collision fixes.
2017-08-17 18:15 <diva_> colosi why do you need to access VERSION_FLAVOUR programatically?
2017-08-17 18:16 <diva_> oh he's not here
2017-08-17 18:16 <Ubit> he just wants it public so to read it
2017-08-17 18:16 <Ubit> without having to parse the version string
2017-08-17 18:17 <diva_> I would like to understand why
2017-08-17 18:17 <Ubit> to adapt modules code to the flavor also 
2017-08-17 18:18 <Ubit> well i asked in to file a mantis request
2017-08-17 18:34 <BillBlight> viewers already read the version? Don't they?
2017-08-17 18:34 <Ubit> there is a full version string
2017-08-17 18:35 <Ubit> that is only the  Dev or RC1.. etc part
2017-08-17 18:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #5790 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-08-17 18:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5790: SUCCESS in 5 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5790/
2017-08-17 18:42 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Make VERSION_FLAVOUR public too, per request. I question the practice of insulating modules against OS versions this way, but hey! -- different folks, different styles. Given that all other components of the version info are public, there's no reason for keeping this one different.
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2017-08-17 20:05 <diva_> Ubit, any idea of what this might be? https://pastebin.com/pg3mLNmj
2017-08-17 20:06 <diva_> It's in libOMV, not opensim
2017-08-17 20:06 <diva_> but it affects pCampBot on mono only
2017-08-17 20:07 <diva_> runs fine on Windows
2017-08-17 20:10 <diva_> okm I found the source of the problem, but I don't know the solution
2017-08-17 20:11 <diva_> https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse/blob/master/OpenMetaverse/GridClient.cs#L111
2017-08-17 20:12 <diva_> Melanie_T? Any ideas for what the problem is? Apparently SmartTjreadPool is not working under mono
2017-08-17 20:14 <Melanie_T> System.ArgumentException: method argument length mismatch
2017-08-17 20:14 <Melanie_T> that points to some code not having been recompiled
2017-08-17 20:14 <osmantis> Bug #8232:04 Updated BulletSim dylib for macOS (OS X) Universal build 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8232 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-17 20:14 <Melanie_T> like running an old compile of pCampBot against a newer SmartThreadPool dll
2017-08-17 20:15 <osmantis> Bug #8232:04 Updated BulletSim dylib for macOS (OS X) Universal build 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8232 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2017-08-17 20:15 <Melanie_T> likely a method signature has changed only on one side of the pipe
2017-08-17 20:15 <diva_> Is SmartThreadPool an OpenSim thing?
2017-08-17 20:16 <Melanie_T> it's something we pulled in because BeginInvoke and UnsafeQueueWorkItem don't work well under mono but STP does
2017-08-17 20:16 <diva_> hmmm
2017-08-17 20:16 <Melanie_T> also STP is instantiable, so you can have multiple different pools, differently sized, of threads
2017-08-17 20:16 <diva_> well it looks like libomv has a copy and opensim also has a copy of that dll?
2017-08-17 20:16 <diva_> something really weird going on here
2017-08-17 20:16 <Melanie_T> maybe one got updated the other didn't
2017-08-17 20:17 <Melanie_T> but it's tjhat kind of a problem
2017-08-17 20:17 <Melanie_T> incompatble binaries
2017-08-17 20:17 <diva_> ok, so that I understand: libomv got the dll from opensim?
2017-08-17 20:18 <diva_> I see SmartThreadPool.dll checked in in libomb, there's no source
2017-08-17 20:18 <diva_> but we have source, and we generate a dll everytime
2017-08-17 20:21 <Ubit> ( was afk looking )
2017-08-17 20:21 <Melanie_T> our source has a small modification from upstream
2017-08-17 20:22 <Melanie_T> i think our dll in omv is better than upstream in opensim because some things would not work anymore
2017-08-17 20:22 <Melanie_T> i don't even know why omv includes it
2017-08-17 20:26 <Ubit> yeap libomv thing..
2017-08-17 20:27 <Ubit> hmm think our libomv is identical to the "oficial" one, at least on the dlls we do use
2017-08-17 20:27 <diva_> tried compiling libomv with our SmartThreadPool dll, didn't fix the problem. I bet it's libomv that forgot to update some call to some method via reflection
2017-08-17 20:27 <Ubit> hmm our STP is diferent
2017-08-17 20:29 <diva_> but I don't see any method signatures changed in ours. At least the commit message by justin doesn't mention it
2017-08-17 20:31 <osmantis> Bug #8232:04 Updated BulletSim dylib for macOS (OS X) Universal build 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8232 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-17 20:32 <Ubit> never looked to that thingy campbot hmm
2017-08-17 20:32 <diva_> ok, I tried using the dll that comes with libomv, and it also crashes. So it's definitely something wron the libomv code that uses it
2017-08-17 20:33 <diva_> that code is so reflective, it's really hard to understand
2017-08-17 20:41 <osmantis> Bug #8232:04 Updated BulletSim dylib for macOS (OS X) Universal build 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8232 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-17 20:44 <osmantis> Bug #8232:04 Updated BulletSim dylib for macOS (OS X) Universal build 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8232 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-17 20:52 <Ubit> where does it fail for you diva ?
2017-08-17 20:52 <diva_> when the bot connects
2017-08-17 20:53 <Ubit> mine on mono5 is going up to password fail
2017-08-17 20:53 <diva_> WorkPool.cs line 172
2017-08-17 20:53 <Ubit> bc i did not create a avatar still
2017-08-17 20:53 <diva_> yeah create one and connect
2017-08-17 20:53 <Ubit> at osgrid
2017-08-17 20:53 <diva_> but this only fails in mono
2017-08-17 20:54 <Ubit> im testing on Bill's VM mono5.01 or something
2017-08-17 20:54 <osmantis> Bug #8232:04 Updated BulletSim dylib for macOS (OS X) Universal build 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8232 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-17 20:55 <diva_> mono pCampBot.exe -loginuri http://127.0.0.1:8002 -firstname Test -lastname Bot -password pw -c  <-- give this -c to connect automatically
2017-08-17 20:58 <Ubit> damm damm  forgot the _0
2017-08-17 20:59 <Ubit> dannn
2017-08-17 20:59 <Ubit> ohh not here
2017-08-17 21:02 <Ubit> well _0 refused
2017-08-17 21:05 <diva_> why is libomv doing all that stuff relectively? It's really odd
2017-08-17 21:06 <diva_> most of it doesn't need to be reflectiive
2017-08-17 21:07 <Ubit> well osgrid does not let me register Bot_0
2017-08-17 21:22 <Ubit> yeap  crash on mono
2017-08-17 21:32 <diva_> there's aan intriguing comilation swotch on that file in libomv
2017-08-17 21:32 <BillBlight> I just logged in with pcampbot on mono 5.2.215
2017-08-17 21:32 <diva_> compilation switch
2017-08-17 21:32 <diva_> #if SMARTHREADPOOL_REF
2017-08-17 21:32 <diva_> it activates a version of the code that's not reflective
2017-08-17 21:33 <Ubit> i see on google references about mono bug on that
2017-08-17 21:33 <Ubit> hmm how do i update the vm mono for that version bill ?
2017-08-17 21:33 <BillBlight> https://pastebin.com/f3ZUWrZN
2017-08-17 21:34 <diva_> ah!
2017-08-17 21:34 <Ubit> err without compiling it all
2017-08-17 21:34 <diva_> I compiled libomv with that switch and it fixes the problem
2017-08-17 21:35 <diva_> so somewhere in the middle of all that reflective code there's a bug
2017-08-17 21:35 <BillBlight> Now  .. it fails if I try to start it in a bin with an already running instance .. but in a bin with no running instance it starts up fine
2017-08-17 21:35 <diva_> oh? is that in a linux box?
2017-08-17 21:36 <BillBlight> yes
2017-08-17 21:36 <BillBlight> with mono 5.2.215
2017-08-17 21:36 <diva_> when it fails does it fail with the same error as what I'm seeing?
2017-08-17 21:37 <BillBlight> it blows up but the ultimate thing is fails to authenticate
2017-08-17 21:37 <diva_> well that is different
2017-08-17 21:37 <Ubit> fail login does not do this
2017-08-17 21:38 <Ubit> this is in lludp packets handling it seems
2017-08-17 21:38 <diva_> I mean do you see this exception? System.ArgumentException: method argument length mismatch
2017-08-17 21:38 <Ubit> ( i do.. he doesn't )
2017-08-17 21:41 <BillBlight> Diva yes I got that, but it started right at the faild auth
2017-08-17 21:41 <Ubit> ohh? for me its a deadly fail.. it dies
2017-08-17 21:41 <diva_> for me it dies too
2017-08-17 21:42 <diva_> and running from a different folder doesn't help
2017-08-17 21:42 <BillBlight> yes it dies , IF I start it from an instance with an already running simulator
2017-08-17 21:42 <BillBlight> ahh
2017-08-17 21:42 <BillBlight> ok
2017-08-17 21:42 <BillBlight> I'll beat it up some  more see if I can break it
2017-08-17 21:42 <Ubit> a instance with a already simulator ?
2017-08-17 21:43 <Ubit> you mean we can fire it from a region?
2017-08-17 21:43 <diva_> I'm looking at that compilation switch and scratching my head
2017-08-17 21:44 <diva_> I wonder if lkalif did it that way because of the possibly differnt SmartThreadPool dlls between libomv and opensim
2017-08-17 21:44 <diva_> I really don't underatand
2017-08-17 21:44 <diva_> The non-reflective code works fine
2017-08-17 21:45 <diva_> it compiles i libomv too, since it already includes that dll
2017-08-17 21:45 <diva_> but maybe if the versions of that dll are different between compilation and run, it runs into problems
2017-08-17 21:46 <diva_> in the particular case of where we are now, the two dlls seems to be identical in terms of signatures
2017-08-17 21:46 <BillBlight> I know in the past you could start it from the same bin you were already running an instance from, but not so sure that is still the case ... LOL
2017-08-17 21:46 <Ubit> #if SMARTHREADPOOL_REFusing Amib.Threading;#elseusing System.Threading;#endif
2017-08-17 21:46 <diva_> yes
2017-08-17 21:46 <diva_> there's a #define right on top
2017-08-17 21:46 <Ubit> it just does not use mono
2017-08-17 21:46 <diva_> try uncommenting it
2017-08-17 21:47 <diva_> what do you mean
2017-08-17 21:47 <Ubit> replaces using System.Threading; by using Amib.Threading;
2017-08-17 21:47 <diva_> there's a lot more that goes under that switch
2017-08-17 21:48 <diva_> basically that file is 2 class defs
2017-08-17 21:48 <Ubit> yes  the API is also diferent i guess
2017-08-17 21:48 <diva_> but it's ok. That class is only "activated" under mono
2017-08-17 21:48 <diva_> which is the intent
2017-08-17 21:49 <diva_> ohh i c what you're saying
2017-08-17 21:49 <Ubit> odd
2017-08-17 21:49 <diva_> well, hard to say. But the non-reflective code works fine
2017-08-17 21:49 <Ubit> the system.thread option evoques amib
2017-08-17 21:50 <diva_> does it?
2017-08-17 21:50 <diva_> it's using the complete name
2017-08-17 21:51 <Ubit> wel if i uncoment the define this not compile
2017-08-17 21:51 <Ubit> on windows
2017-08-17 21:51 <diva_> yes, you need to add that dll as dependency
2017-08-17 21:51 <diva_> because the prebuild doesn't do it
2017-08-17 21:53 <nebadon> pcampbot is not working?
2017-08-17 21:53 <diva_> not on linux
2017-08-17 21:58 <Ubit> don't understand that if else
2017-08-17 21:59 <diva_> what don't you understand?
2017-08-17 22:00 <diva_> I think I understand the code, but I'm wondering why lkalif did it that way
2017-08-17 22:00 <Ubit> when system.threading is selectec. it loads amib
2017-08-17 22:00 <diva_> I bet it was because of the possibility of different versions of that dll between libomv and opensim
2017-08-17 22:00 <diva_> yes. It does it reflectively
2017-08-17 22:01 <Ubit> well ok
2017-08-17 22:01 <diva_> using System.Threading is just for the Delegate
2017-08-17 22:01 <diva_> I think we should flip the switch
2017-08-17 22:02 <Ubit> well i can't test now..  have a slave updating my VM mono
2017-08-17 22:02 <Ubit> ( hihihi )
2017-08-17 22:03 <Ubit> ( good bill isn't looking )
2017-08-17 22:03 <diva_> ok I'll wait for you to confirm that it works with the switch flipped
2017-08-17 22:03 <nebadon> ok i got length mismatch
2017-08-17 22:03 <nebadon> trying to log into osgrid
2017-08-17 22:04 <Ubit> i will test first on current lib on the new mono
2017-08-17 22:04 <nebadon> im on Mono 5.4.0.135
2017-08-17 22:04 <nebadon> with latest opensim
2017-08-17 22:04 <Ubit> Bill tested with 5.2?? and says it workd
2017-08-17 22:04 <Ubit> worked
2017-08-17 22:07 <Ubit> oops out STP also uses amib..
2017-08-17 22:07 <Ubit> so ok.. the if makes sense
2017-08-17 22:11 <BillBlight> Ok tested a few times, it is iffy, I get the same error diva does, but if I kill it and restart it again, don't get the error, then maybe 3 or 4 times don't get the error, but the next time I do
2017-08-17 22:12 <Ubit> oops oops sent my win bot to lbsa
2017-08-17 22:14 <Ubit> uff way is it walking underwater? :)
2017-08-17 22:14 <Ubit> hmm and only see its hair 
2017-08-17 22:19 <diva_> also, the dependencies on libomv are seriously messed up
2017-08-17 22:22 <Tampa> Not the first time libomv has been the cause for trouble, pretty sure the exact error you are getting has been submitted before
2017-08-17 22:23 <diva_> So Ubit, have you been able to test?
2017-08-17 22:23 <Ubit> my slave is slow :)
2017-08-17 22:24 <Ubit> but did uncomented the define on win and worked
2017-08-17 22:24 <diva_> k, gonna do something else in the meantime. brb
2017-08-17 22:27 <BillBlight> Yesa master I be workin' as fast as I can
2017-08-17 22:27 <Ubit> :)
2017-08-17 22:34 <Ubit> bahh  STP is not used in windows at all  grr
2017-08-17 23:13 <diva_> so Ubit shold I flip that permanently?
2017-08-17 23:15 <Ubit> the VM update is taking long
2017-08-17 23:15 <Ubit> and seen that win does not use STP ?
2017-08-17 23:15 <Ubit> and tried look for lkalif comments on that define, but the file shows up having it already
2017-08-17 23:15 <Ubit> and commented
2017-08-17 23:19 <BillBlight> Yes the VM seems stuck at updating the kernel .. if it was stuck anyplace other than that I'd kill it and fix it, but don't want to stick it with an unusable kernel
2017-08-17 23:21 <diva_> Ubit yes, in Windows that code is not used at all
2017-08-17 23:21 <diva_> so I think it's safe to flip the switch. I bet lkalif did it like that because of incompatible dll versions
2017-08-17 23:22 <Ubit> no ideia.. see it comment since the file showed up in git
2017-08-18 00:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #5791 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-08-18 00:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5791: SUCCESS in 5 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5791/
2017-08-18 00:50 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Replaced libomv dlls with newly compiled ones to solve crashes with pCampBot. See
2017-08-18 01:06 <nebadon>  diva its working here now
2017-08-18 01:06 <nebadon> in all of its  spamtastic glory
2017-08-18 01:07 <Ubit> strange how it did work before
2017-08-18 01:07 <nebadon> pcampbot is aincent
2017-08-18 01:07 <nebadon> we used it a lot for OSCC load testing
2017-08-18 01:08 <nebadon> there was times when justin and i had like 500+ pcampbots logged  in
2017-08-18 01:08 <Ubit> yes i remember that
2017-08-18 01:09 <nebadon> its fun to have the pcampbot say all the excuses 
2017-08-18 01:09 <nebadon> though i forget how to do that now
2017-08-18 01:11 <Tampa> Could probably get away with using npcs for load testing these days... just maybe more of them heh
2017-08-18 01:11 <nebadon> no
2017-08-18 01:11 <nebadon> they are not nearly as good
2017-08-18 01:11 <nebadon> as they dont create network connections the same
2017-08-18 01:12 <nebadon> no inventory etc..
2017-08-18 01:12 <nebadon> its unrealistic
2017-08-18 01:12 <nebadon> even pcampbot is
2017-08-18 01:12 <nebadon> Justin did make it more realistic though
2017-08-18 01:12 <nebadon> and you can make them do physics they run around
2017-08-18 01:13 <nebadon> you can pen them up with bunch of physical objects
2017-08-18 01:13 <Tampa> Well for network load yeah, for general load though 10 npcs are about the same as an actual user
2017-08-18 01:13 <nebadon> npcs are  proabbly like 1% the load of a real user
2017-08-18 01:14 <nebadon> in terms of rendering on the GPU
2017-08-18 01:14 <nebadon> its a good load test in that regard
2017-08-18 01:14 <nebadon> server side they are practically non-existent
2017-08-18 01:14 <Tampa> Unless you visually watch them move around
2017-08-18 01:15 <nebadon> yea i suppose it is a lot of updates that way
2017-08-18 01:15 <nebadon> however its only updating you
2017-08-18 01:15 <nebadon> so even that is minimal
2017-08-18 01:15 <nebadon> compared to like 20 real users all getting updates
2017-08-18 01:15 <Tampa> npc seems to be slightly exponential as well, 100 of them are not ten times 10, more like 20 times
2017-08-18 01:15 <nebadon> well in terms of graphic rendering
2017-08-18 01:15 <nebadon> its basically 1:1
2017-08-18 01:16 <nebadon> you will likely run into viewer problems long before server ever sees any effect from NPCs
2017-08-18 01:17 <nebadon> pcampbot is nice because it generates most of the traffic a normal user would
2017-08-18 01:17 <nebadon> can even make them chat
2017-08-18 01:17 <Tampa> I usually stick around 800 or so npcs, bunch of http requesters and raycasts on a region and compare that
2017-08-18 01:17 <nebadon> yea
2017-08-18 01:17 <nebadon> raycasting in any form is heavy
2017-08-18 01:17 <nebadon> though Ubode handles it well
2017-08-18 01:17 <nebadon> the C# stuff is nastay
2017-08-18 01:18 <Ubit> we need to delete that.. or most of it
2017-08-18 01:18 <nebadon> yea once bullet can do it
2017-08-18 01:18 <nebadon> we should
2017-08-18 01:18 <Ubit> as soon bullet does it also
2017-08-18 01:18 <nebadon> yea +1 on that
2017-08-18 01:18 <nebadon> 
ACTION sharpens stick

2017-08-18 01:19 <nebadon> 
ACTION pokes misterblue

2017-08-18 01:19 <Ubit> :)
2017-08-18 01:22 <Tampa> Why are there a bunch of unused events in LLClientView, am I reading that wrong or are they obsolete?
2017-08-18 01:24 <Ubit> example?
2017-08-18 01:24 <Tampa> OnUpdatePrimScale
2017-08-18 01:25 <Tampa> OnStartAnim
2017-08-18 01:25 <Ubit> bad example it is in use
2017-08-18 01:26 <Tampa> So I'm reading that wrong and the compiler is too?
2017-08-18 01:26 <Ubit> well something is attached to it 
2017-08-18 01:32 <Ubit> the anim if i remember i replaced it ages ago
2017-08-18 01:34 <Tampa> Just struck me since there were half a dozen related to that one part, but I can't quite follow if those are really all unused events, seems a bit unrealistic
2017-08-18 01:35 <Ubit> udp protocol has some packets viewers don't use
2017-08-18 01:35 <Ubit> lludp
2017-08-18 01:38 <Tampa> Probably will focus on the unused exception variables for now before tackling any events or functions
2017-08-18 03:51 <BillBlight> masa Ubit your server is done .....  :P
2017-08-18 04:42 <Ubit> thx...  you can eat now
2017-08-18 04:42 <Ubit> one peanut only !!
2017-08-18 04:45 <BillBlight> LOL ...
2017-08-18 08:15 <osmantis> Bug #8232:04 Updated BulletSim dylib for macOS (OS X) Universal build 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8232 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-18 19:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #5792 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-08-18 19:54 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: Update macOS version of BulletSim with the actual Bullet
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2017-08-19 20:45 <osmantis> Bug #8231:04 Unreachable code warning 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8231 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2017-08-19 21:01 <osmantis> Bug #8164:04 This script fails after a while permanatly sometimes even rezzing it stays broke 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8164 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-19 21:21 <osmantis> Bug #7702:04 pCampBots broken on current Dev Master HEAD. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7702 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-19 21:22 <Ubit> ohh my cats tried  to do region comands when i was way
2017-08-19 21:28 <BillBlight> Cats trying to teach you something?  LOL :P
2017-08-19 21:42 <nebadon> terrain scratch 20 :P
2017-08-19 21:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #5793 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-08-19 21:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5793: SUCCESS in 8 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5793/
2017-08-19 21:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change SOP updates throttles again. Small values of omega on llSetTargetOmega where skiped
2017-08-20 05:22 <nebadon> terrain scratch 20 :P;
2017-08-20 06:22 <BBlight|Away> could someone that can update the wiki maybe look at this page and add some info for upgrading to .9x for standalones ... Seems to work .. https://plus.google.com/101897165708025581768/posts/ZQLRWmCjFXa
2017-08-20 06:22 <BBlight|Away> may help a few people
2017-08-20 06:26 <BBlight|Away> Mainly her step 8 on the list, the rest after reading it is kind of a bad idea ..
2017-08-20 06:53 <BBlight|Away> *facepalm*
2017-08-20 06:53 <BBlight|Away> Why is it so hard for people to understand to use the new config files ...
2017-08-20 06:54 <BBlight|Away> Some just asked for a list of all the changes to the config files .... Ummm I don't think that acutally exisits , guess could run a diff agains the last .8x and the latest .9 ... <shrug>
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2017-08-20 21:04 <Ubit> matins its stil not flaming ? odd
2017-08-20 21:50 <BillBlight> Not really  ... Because .9 did not break "EVERYTHING" as people were told it was going to ... LOL :P
2017-08-20 21:51 <BillBlight> I think there may be a little "eating of crow" going on ...
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2017-08-21 01:04 <smxy> There certainly should be. Everybody was acting like the damn sky was falling, without knowing WTF they were talking about.
2017-08-21 01:17 <MarcusLlewellyn> Amen. 
2017-08-21 01:18 <Ubit> hmm ? sky falling ?
2017-08-21 01:18 <Ubit> 
ACTION searchs his umbrella

2017-08-21 01:20 <MarcusLlewellyn> Put a cat on your head. 
2017-08-21 01:20 <Ubit> still need it to protect the cat
2017-08-21 01:21 <Ubit> bahh and ppl keep talking about meshes
2017-08-21 01:22 <Ubit> https://plus.google.com/+FreakyTech/posts/fic4Lwaztmu
2017-08-21 01:22 <Ubit> this is not correct
2017-08-21 01:24 <Ubit> hacd use on viewers is a issue, the main one i mention to not use analise step 2 etc
2017-08-21 01:24 <Ubit> but it does work on may cases...
2017-08-21 01:25 <Ubit> but when it does, ppl need to remember it is also a mesh simplification..  can deform it ( even has a option to close holes )
2017-08-21 01:25 <MarcusLlewellyn> Using analyze has never worked with opensim for me. 
2017-08-21 01:25 <Ubit> it does..  i tested it a few times for ubOde testing
2017-08-21 01:26 <Ubit> and that is wrong also on who likes it
2017-08-21 01:26 <Ubit> ubOde  does not know about convex.. ( i don't like ODE convex code to use it )
2017-08-21 01:27 <Ubit> so ubODE reverts the decomposition, making it a full mesh again
2017-08-21 01:27 <MarcusLlewellyn> Cool. What people prolly don't get is that convex hulls don't generally work from the visual mesh. Make a damn simplified version. 
2017-08-21 01:27 <Ubit> but BULLET  likes it.. in fact needs it
2017-08-21 01:27 <Ubit> if we provide a mesh, bullet runs HACD to do the decomposition
2017-08-21 01:28 <Ubit> a reason why you do see odd things on bullet..
2017-08-21 01:28 <MarcusLlewellyn> Which is what I presumed. 
2017-08-21 01:28 <Ubit> HACD fails and or parameters not good for that shape
2017-08-21 01:29 <MarcusLlewellyn> I tend to use a Blender HACD add-on. 
2017-08-21 01:30 <Ubit> well but you can't upload a convex decomposition directly
2017-08-21 01:30 <Ubit> so you are still in the hands of the viewers one
2017-08-21 01:31 <Ubit> i think we shoud keep not recomending it
2017-08-21 01:31 <MarcusLlewellyn> Well, no. But uploading a mesh that's convex is gonna generally work, rather than fail. 
2017-08-21 01:31 <Ubit> and try to fix our bullet decomp, so we are more viewers indenpendent on that
2017-08-21 01:31 <Ubit> yeap should reduce the odds of fails
2017-08-21 01:32 <Ubit> ( and shape is not convex... can be concave globally )
2017-08-21 01:32 <Ubit> just made of convex parts
2017-08-21 01:32 <Ubit> hmm well all are ,, a triangle is a convex part :p
2017-08-21 01:33 <MarcusLlewellyn> Pendant. :)
2017-08-21 01:33 <Ubit> lests say closed convex parts
2017-08-21 01:34 <Ubit> "Therefore ubOde still has to process hierarchical convex hull decomposition" as i said this is wrong
2017-08-21 01:34 <Ubit> its bullet :p
2017-08-21 01:35 <Ubit> and this article as nothing to do with the use of visual meshes LODs
2017-08-21 01:35 <Ubit> on physics
2017-08-21 01:35 <MarcusLlewellyn> Well he has a fork where he can indulge whatever impressions he's under. ;)
2017-08-21 01:35 <Ubit> yeap
2017-08-21 01:36 <Ubit> but others read.. and end up knocking at my door :p
2017-08-21 01:36 <Ubit> ( like just happened :p )
2017-08-21 01:36 <BillBlight> knock knock
2017-08-21 01:36 <BillBlight> :P
2017-08-21 01:36 <Ubit> :)
2017-08-21 01:37 <BillBlight> I read that post and was all kinds of WTF
2017-08-21 01:37 <Ubit> yeap lots of mistakes on it
2017-08-21 01:38 <Ubit> about my uploads with step2.. they work.. but meshs are diferent,  even seen on viewers
2017-08-21 01:38 <BillBlight> they work sometimes ...
2017-08-21 01:39 <Ubit> i have a SU 27 plane i use since ever as test and the some parts that should be there are missing
2017-08-21 01:39 <MarcusLlewellyn> I've been forced to upload physical meshes into SL lately. It is insane trying to get it to import consistently or properly. 
2017-08-21 01:39 <Ubit> yeap even there
2017-08-21 01:39 <Ubit> and their servers do a lot more checks on upload than 0.9
2017-08-21 01:40 <Ubit> ( 082 did none )
2017-08-21 01:40 <BillBlight> unless people personally make the mesh just assume that it is crap , and fix it ... LOL
2017-08-21 01:40 <Ubit> for example degenerated tris
2017-08-21 01:40 <Ubit> sl refuses them
2017-08-21 01:40 <Ubit> ubOdeMesh will try to fix them ( ignores the tris )
2017-08-21 01:40 <BillBlight> I have had much better luck with mesh since learning to convert to quads before uploading ...
2017-08-21 01:41 <Ubit> convert to quads?
2017-08-21 01:41 <Ubit> viewers eat quads on collada ?
2017-08-21 01:41 <BillBlight> I have had good luck with it
2017-08-21 01:41 <Ubit> well the asset can only have triangles
2017-08-21 01:41 <MarcusLlewellyn> I always use quads for topology. Although the occasional tried sneaking on to a static mesh is fine. 
2017-08-21 01:42 <BillBlight> my boats were all quad before they were much higher tris, now after converting to quads and uploading it they get converted to tris
2017-08-21 01:42 <MarcusLlewellyn> Tried = tri. Damn autocorrect
2017-08-21 01:42 <Ubit> well never looked to viewer side code
2017-08-21 01:42 <Ubit> well i did,, don't remember details lol
2017-08-21 01:43 <BillBlight> Gavin was saying the viewers convert to tris on upload so if it is already full of tris, they sometimes get doubled
2017-08-21 01:43 <MarcusLlewellyn> The viewer importer can do a number of things to a mesh, like split edges, I think. 
2017-08-21 01:44 <Ubit> yes they do a lot
2017-08-21 01:44 <BillBlight> There comes a point where I don't really care what it is doing, I just go for what works best for me ..
2017-08-21 01:44 <Ubit> btw Marccus seen your interview with mal bill etc
2017-08-21 01:44 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yupyup
2017-08-21 01:44 <Ubit> and one thing you said..  you called viewers clients
2017-08-21 01:44 <Ubit> they are not
2017-08-21 01:45 <Ubit> they are 80% of the simulation system
2017-08-21 01:45 <BillBlight> yes Ubit smacked me around a little too ... 
2017-08-21 01:45 <Ubit> server side is almost nothing compared
2017-08-21 01:45 <Ubit> only physics and control
2017-08-21 01:45 <BillBlight> But in my defense, I dozed off a couple of times ... LOL
2017-08-21 01:45 <Ubit> rest is data server only
2017-08-21 01:46 <MarcusLlewellyn> True enough, yup. Though that only reinforces my point that users don't understand that. 
2017-08-21 01:46 <Ubit> see what i mean ?
2017-08-21 01:46 <Ubit> yeap they don't
2017-08-21 01:46 <Ubit> you can't just make a web client
2017-08-21 01:46 <Ubit> you need the rest of the simulation
2017-08-21 01:46 <BillBlight> yes ... In this respect we are more like a client side game , we just get our "data" from the server rather than it being parked on our PCs
2017-08-21 01:46 <MarcusLlewellyn> Plus, "viewer" is such a Linden word. Client work for the non-pedabtic. :)
2017-08-21 01:46 <Ubit> a reason why webgl fails.. it can't do it in javascript
2017-08-21 01:47 <Ubit> lindes where clever
2017-08-21 01:47 <Ubit> they did  computing distrubution
2017-08-21 01:47 <Ubit> using ppl pcs to work for the simulation also
2017-08-21 01:47 <Ubit> back then  ppl used desktops mainly
2017-08-21 01:48 <BillBlight> Offloading most of the "game" processing to the viewer was the only way they could house a grid the size of SL.. .
2017-08-21 01:48 <Ubit> yeap
2017-08-21 01:48 <Ubit> and that is still valid
2017-08-21 01:48 <BillBlight> it is very valid
2017-08-21 01:49 <Ubit> ( the 80& was just a number..  real.. somewhere around :) )
2017-08-21 01:50 <Ubit> possible 90% is more accurate :)
2017-08-21 01:50 <MarcusLlewellyn> 
ACTION immediately quotes it on G+.

2017-08-21 01:50 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-08-21 01:50 <Ubit> :)
2017-08-21 01:52 <Ubit> SSA was first not clever move i noticed on ll 
2017-08-21 01:53 <Ubit> but then today the pressure of tablet kinda of devices is puzzeling
2017-08-21 01:54 <Ubit> and we bc of ll are years behind unity etc
2017-08-21 01:55 <MarcusLlewellyn> I think I said something along those lines too on Mal's show. :)
2017-08-21 01:56 <Ubit> that freaky also discovered ninja joints only recently
2017-08-21 01:56 <Ubit> i killed the rest of them :p
2017-08-21 01:57 <Ubit> bc we can't really make them work on a flat objects hierchie
2017-08-21 01:57 <Ubit> hmm hieacsomething :P
2017-08-21 01:57 <MarcusLlewellyn> Hierarchical
2017-08-21 01:57 <Ubit> yeap that
2017-08-21 01:58 <Ubit> well they where a prof that ODE joints do work
2017-08-21 01:58 <Ubit> well the 2 they used...
2017-08-21 01:58 <BillBlight> without a good viewer interface ninja physics are almost useles ... Love it though
2017-08-21 01:58 <MarcusLlewellyn> Refactor the SOG for it after you finish http. ;)
2017-08-21 01:58 <Ubit> yeap..
2017-08-21 01:58 <Ubit> but possible keeping it and parts
2017-08-21 01:59 <Ubit> but adding a SMODEL or something
2017-08-21 01:59 <Ubit> SOG can be the minimal unit that can have a physical dynamical body
2017-08-21 01:59 <BillBlight> would be nice to define something as a wheel ... so it spins via physics ..
2017-08-21 01:59 <MarcusLlewellyn> Adam took a stab at that on a branch years ago, but then he departed. 
2017-08-21 02:00 <Ubit> then we need to fool viewers somehow ( assuming they don't change )
2017-08-21 02:00 <Ubit> i do have a few ideas.. but its a large change :)
2017-08-21 02:01 <Ubit> well all engines have a wheeledvehcle made out of raycasts
2017-08-21 02:01 <Ubit> you could make one on xengine..  but yeack
2017-08-21 02:02 <MarcusLlewellyn> Ugh no. HG already hacks around the viewer enough. We need real implementations. All respect to Crista...hg is an epic hack. 
2017-08-21 02:02 <Ubit> and has problems bc of viewers
2017-08-21 02:02 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yup
2017-08-21 02:02 <Ubit> like the UMMblabla things
2017-08-21 02:03 <Ubit> on top of that, LL is moving from kinda open and generic solutions to more closed ones
2017-08-21 02:03 <Ubit> dependent on services like CDN ?
2017-08-21 02:08 <Ubit> hmm bill doesn't seem to know a answer to a simple physics question :p
2017-08-21 02:08 <Ubit> [03:07] <Ubit> what is a tire velocity relative to ground on the point touching it when you drive at 100km/h ?
2017-08-21 02:09 <Ubit> ( or is afk )
2017-08-21 02:10 <Ubit> any driver should know this :p
2017-08-21 02:12 <Tampa> You either build opensim specific functions into the viewer and maintain them as platform dependent system or you ditch SL compatibility and make it opensim-only at which point you can also throw out large amounts of opensim code because you are no longer bound to SL standard. While the latter sounds like more work(only in one sense really), you do
2017-08-21 02:12 <Tampa>  have the luxury of being a bit more free on how you go about implementing features.
2017-08-21 02:13 <Tampa> However as soon as you get into this territory you run into the question of whether it is worth to work based on OpenSim or start from scratch
2017-08-21 02:13 <Ubit> ( well answer is zero.. )
2017-08-21 02:15 <Tampa> The problem is coming up with enough manpower to actually go anywhere
2017-08-21 02:15 <Tampa> Meanwhile you have things like unity, unreal and cryengine all available with prebuilt systems that in some forms mimic what OpenSim already has, albeit not this extensively.
2017-08-21 02:16 <Tampa> Having a videogame with lua built in, objects you can place or mesh you can upload, that has instance based worlds is nothing mindblowing anymore either.
2017-08-21 02:17 <Ubit> viewers + regions have what other engines have mainly
2017-08-21 02:17 <Ubit> just simplified selections of their options
2017-08-21 02:17 <Ubit> like shaders for example
2017-08-21 02:17 <Ubit> or textures formats..  mesh formats etc
2017-08-21 02:18 <BillBlight> The majore diffeences in Unreal and CryEngine, is the fact that they are all Preloaded content, the content lives on each players systems, and if they don't have that content they can't play .. Where with US and even Unity, the information goes over the wire ..
2017-08-21 02:18 <Ubit> all to reduce the network needs
2017-08-21 02:19 <Ubit> yeap Unreal dependents or pre cooked content
2017-08-21 02:19 <Tampa> The thing all these do not have is the open nature of the system. Most components of viewers and opensim itself are open for anyone to modify as they like while most engines are much more restrictive in what you can do
2017-08-21 02:19 <Ubit> ( viewers are also the engines editors. doing the cooking .. )
2017-08-21 02:20 <Ubit> well most those technics do have patents
2017-08-21 02:20 <Ubit> opensource is confusing...
2017-08-21 02:20 <Tampa> Just look at something like Star Citizen, changing engines three times because they never found something open enough for them. Its one of the key strengths and I feel like its the main reason I still get calls from educators and schools looking to do something with it.
2017-08-21 02:20 <Tampa> They know if required they can get one of their students to whip up some code they need.
2017-08-21 02:21 <Ubit> what do SC use now ?
2017-08-21 02:21 <Tampa> OpenSim is not great at one particular thing, it does everything somewhat good enough, which is good enough for most people that use it.
2017-08-21 02:21 <Tampa> I don't even know what they use now I lost track xD
2017-08-21 02:22 <Ubit> we can't even bet a downloaded game
2017-08-21 02:22 <Ubit> ever..
2017-08-21 02:22 <Ubit> even mmo ones like WoT etc
2017-08-21 02:23 <Ubit> the network use of that thing is so small.. considering it only basicly positions updates
2017-08-21 02:23 <Ubit> even considering
2017-08-21 02:23 <Tampa> Its not about that though, trying to somehow hack together a solution for a logic problem never works. Working on the core strengths makes more sense.
2017-08-21 02:25 <Ubit> and the damm thing still works with 100ms ping
2017-08-21 02:26 <Tampa> OpenSim is like a fat cat, trying to teach that how to knit will never work ain't got thumbs, but getting it to fetch mice is much easier because it was "designed" that way
2017-08-21 02:26 <Ubit> well opensim started as a prof of concept only thing
2017-08-21 02:26 <Ubit> and still is 
2017-08-21 02:27 <Ubit> ( we will say that if anything goes wrong :p )
2017-08-21 02:28 <Tampa> I have decided that for my purposes I will no longer call it alpha software, it's gotten stable enough that for me it constitutes beta at this point.
2017-08-21 02:28 <Ubit> wait for my next big ;)
2017-08-21 02:28 <Ubit> bug
2017-08-21 02:29 <Tampa> Even 10 year old games have bugs that get patched, look at Half Life, it got an update because of a security vulnerability
2017-08-21 02:30 <BillBlight> yes but half life does not have Mr. UbrokeIT on staff ... 
2017-08-21 02:30 <BillBlight> :P
2017-08-21 02:30 <Ubit> :p
2017-08-21 02:31 <Tampa> I find it comforting OpenSim is still around, so many other pieces of software I used to use are now so broken they don't even install anymore
2017-08-21 02:37 <Ubit> outch my gpu did a reset
2017-08-21 02:38 <Ubit> not not good
2017-08-21 02:38 <Tampa> driver crash?
2017-08-21 02:38 <Ubit> no ideia
2017-08-21 02:39 <Tampa> nvidia or amd?
2017-08-21 02:39 <Ubit> just frozen for a bit..  typical self reset  nvida
2017-08-21 02:39 <Tampa> Yeah I been having issues too I think the latest drivers are poop
2017-08-21 02:39 <Tampa> I open vlc to watch a movie and it bluescreens, that isnt supposed to happen xD
2017-08-21 02:40 <Ubit> not really
2017-08-21 02:40 <Ubit> well i don't have those for ages on win7
2017-08-21 02:40 <Ubit> last full win7 crash.. was.. coff cofff a ODE crash lol
2017-08-21 02:41 <Ubit> hmm gpu is at 48C
2017-08-21 02:42 <Tampa> Thats still okay though
2017-08-21 02:42 <Ubit> yeap
2017-08-21 02:43 <Tampa> Most likely that damn nvidia driver
2017-08-21 02:43 <Tampa> Hopefully it fixes itself in a couple of updates
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2017-08-21 02:47 <BillBlight>  Well I am off to go watch Game of Thrones, have a good night folks ..
2017-08-21 02:47 <Ubit> Ahh yes what to see that also
2017-08-21 03:36 <Ubit> damm lost +x on ode bootstrap
2017-08-21 03:36 <Ubit> AGAIN
2017-08-21 04:02 <Ubit> well assuming it does set friction at all.. don't remember :)
2017-08-21 04:05 <Ubit> uff git is going to bit me on this
2017-08-21 04:05 <Ubit> if i need to change ubode on master meanwhile :)
2017-08-21 12:51 <osmantis> Bug #8164:04 This script fails after a while permanatly sometimes even rezzing it stays broke 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8164 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-21 17:03 <osmantis> Bug #8164:04 This script fails after a while permanatly sometimes even rezzing it stays broke 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8164 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-21 17:24 <Ubit> tglion i remaned the opensim-libs folder for ode
2017-08-21 17:24 <Ubit> renamed
2017-08-21 17:24 <Ubit> err and dj..
2017-08-21 17:25 <Ubit> and there are 2 now.. 
2017-08-21 17:26 <Ubit> ODE-Opensim-Current is the one in use on master
2017-08-21 17:26 <Ubit> ODE-Opensim-Test is a test version
2017-08-21 17:27 <Ubit> the test version is curretly needed to run the httptests os branch
2017-08-21 17:36 <nebadon> \
2017-08-21 17:36 <Ubit> you changed to win neb ?  or you meant /  ?
2017-08-21 17:37 <Ubit> :)
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2017-08-22 10:13 <Tampa> Playing around with physics seems like ubode has the same tendency as buttered toast always landing on the buttered side, do seated avatars move the cog?
2017-08-22 10:29 <osmantis> Bug #8202:04 Edit object to edit contents i.e. scripts does not load or loads after LONG waiting time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8202 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-08-22 10:40 <osmantis> Bug #8233:04 removing media on a prim does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8233 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2017-08-22 17:25 <Ubit> Tampa that murphy's law
2017-08-22 17:25 <Ubit> that  is...
2017-08-22 17:40 <osmantis> Bug #8233:04 removing media on a prim does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8233 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-22 17:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #5794 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-08-22 17:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5794: SUCCESS in 8 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5794/
2017-08-22 17:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8233: media changes flag object updated in region db
2017-08-22 18:04 <Plugh> Time for the weekly meeting in osgrid
2017-08-22 18:32 <Ubit> ooops
2017-08-22 18:34 <Ubit> damm my local dns is dead again
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2017-08-23 16:22 <Plugh> I don't know what it is about the (lack of good) information about setting up Diva WiFi but I always gives me a lot of grief.
2017-08-23 16:22 <Plugh> s/but I/but it/
2017-08-23 16:23 <Plugh> I want to install it for 082 but mostly see info on setting it up for 081 or 09
2017-08-23 16:24 <Plugh> The other docs are for the Diva distro that is OpenSim with the Diva extra files.
2017-08-23 16:24 <Plugh> I just want to add it to an existing grid that is running 082.
2017-08-23 18:05 <Plugh> Finally got it. 
2017-08-23 18:05 <Plugh> *phew*
2017-08-24 00:31 <Ubit> ops
2017-08-24 00:32 <Ubit> it was (un)freeze  not efect
2017-08-24 00:33 <Ubit> jjj not f ... grr
2017-08-24 00:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #5795 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-08-24 00:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5795: FAILURE in 3 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5795/
2017-08-24 00:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: (un)eject flag is only lowest bit, only protect active gods from freeze; do not check landing point (telehubs) on eject.
2017-08-24 00:34 <Ubit> blabla bad jenkins
2017-08-24 00:35 <Ubit> oops 
2017-08-24 00:35 <Ubit> good jenkins...
2017-08-24 00:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #5796 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5794 1 day 6 hr ago)
2017-08-24 00:44 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2017-08-24 00:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5796: FIXED in 5 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5796/
2017-08-24 00:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add missing file. Also in last commit comment the flag was relative to (un)freeze no t(un)eject
2017-08-24 00:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #5797 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2017-08-24 00:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5797: SUCCESS in 6 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5797/
2017-08-24 00:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change a few more parcel eject code paths
2017-08-24 01:12 <Ubit> grrr that not does not belong there
2017-08-24 01:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #5798 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-08-24 01:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5798: SUCCESS in 7 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5798/
2017-08-24 01:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: frozen avatars should not do local teleports. Possible none should not be allowed, but that may be abusive
2017-08-24 01:21 <colosi> What viewer do people think is most popular?
2017-08-24 01:21 <Ubit> fs
2017-08-24 01:21 <Ubit> next singu possible
2017-08-24 01:21 <colosi> Good to hear.  I do my testing with fs.
2017-08-24 01:22 <colosi> I just noticed that Singularity has different functionality for when a user clicks their balance.  It sends a BuyCurrency call instead of a BalanceUpdate like fs does.  Does anyone know which is standard?  I’m hoping fs behavior.
2017-08-24 01:23 <Ubit> well can't really tell that FS is compatible with us..
2017-08-24 01:23 <Ubit> personally don't use money
2017-08-24 01:24 <Ubit> and FS is more up to date with LL .. so may had change
2017-08-24 01:24 <colosi> I can say that that has been the functionality in FS for at least a couple years.
2017-08-24 01:26 <Ubit> hmm does the balanceupdate work ?
2017-08-24 01:29 <Ubit> dont' see balanceupdate handler
2017-08-24 01:33 <Ubit> but pressing on buy does work
2017-08-24 01:33 <Ubit> just i really can't buy OS$ :)
2017-08-24 01:33 <Ubit> but got osg error telling that
2017-08-24 01:34 <Ubit> ( fs 5.07)
2017-08-24 01:37 <Ubit> err for opensim version, of course
2017-08-24 03:09 <Plugh> I thought it was supposed to bring up a buy currency dialog box. I'll check what FS does.
2017-08-24 03:09 <Ubit> it does
2017-08-24 03:13 <Plugh> In SL you click the balance to get the dialog box to buy more currency. In FS clicking the balance doesn't do anything one can see in the viewer. It has a separate "Buy" thing you can click on to the right of the avatar balance that brings up the buy currency dialog.
2017-08-24 03:14 <Ubit> in sl you mean sl viewer ?
2017-08-24 03:14 <Plugh> um... typo. I meant Sing
2017-08-24 03:14 <Ubit> ohh ok
2017-08-24 03:15 <Plugh> Another example of differences between viewers. :P
2017-08-24 03:16 <Plugh> Time for a break from the computer and to do some guitar practice. bbl.
2017-08-24 15:32 <colosi> @ubit (responding from to question from yesterday) - the balance update works in FS.  That might not be the exact name of the event.  I’ve emailed the Singularity folks.  Thanks for the info.
2017-08-24 15:39 <Plugh> colosi, as I mentioned yesterday the behaviour will be different because FS provides a separate item to click to do currency buy. It would appear that SL doesn't provide a way to force an update of the balance within the viewer. I don't remember for sure but a jump to a different region may also force a balance update.
2017-08-24 15:40 <colosi> Singularity has a buy button too.  I haven’t looked at S
2017-08-24 15:41 <colosi> SL’s in a long time, but it had a buy button separate from the balance
2017-08-24 15:42 <Plugh> Ah, so they do. Ok, then it must be a Sing bug(?) for it to pop up the buy dialog when you click the balance.
2017-08-24 18:20 <misterblue> going to bring my branch up to date with master...
2017-08-24 21:58 <Ubit> having good dreams irc-avatars?
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2017-08-25 15:31 <Tampa> Is mouselook behavior viewerside, specifically the "let's push the avatar into the ground when looking down" behavior?
2017-08-25 19:22 <osmantis> Bug #8235:04 Teleporting between regions on same simulator regularly end with crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8235 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-25 19:34 <osmantis> Bug #8234:04 Creating a Notecard on a third party grid results in a crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8234 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-25 19:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #5799 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-08-25 20:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5799: SUCCESS in 8 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5799/
2017-08-25 20:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change camera view constraint. we need to do it a lot more :(
2017-08-25 20:36 <osmantis> Bug #8234:04 Creating a Notecard on a third party grid results in a crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8234 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-25 20:38 <osmantis> Bug #8234:04 Creating a Notecard on a third party grid results in a crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8234 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-25 21:25 <osmantis> Bug #8235:04 Teleporting between regions on same simulator regularly end with crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8235 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-25 21:35 <osmantis> Bug #8235:04 Teleporting between regions on same simulator regularly end with crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8235 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-08-25 22:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #5800 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-08-25 22:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5800: SUCCESS in 5 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5800/
2017-08-25 22:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  in some cases ll TPVs can only see avatar rotations around Z or camera misbehaves
2017-08-25 23:05 <Ubit> this does sound like viewers issue.. but whatever
2017-08-25 23:05 <Ubit> ( mouselook rotates the avatar around x and or y )
2017-08-26 04:46 <osmantis> Bug #8235:04 Teleporting between regions on same simulator regularly end with crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8235 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-28 09:54 <Ubit> Bill you may try yr jenkins tests on httptests now
2017-08-28 10:13 <BillBlight> cool
2017-08-28 10:18 <Ubit> cool.. well lets see :p
2017-08-28 15:39 <djphil> Ubit :The httptests dll fix the issue 8020 too ?
2017-08-28 15:42 <Ubit> hmm
2017-08-28 15:43 <Ubit> that was on master
2017-08-28 15:43 <Ubit> err no
2017-08-28 15:43 <Ubit> possible just hidden :p
2017-08-28 15:44 <Ubit> bc it is not a error most the time
2017-08-28 15:44 <Ubit> just a http peer no longer there
2017-08-28 15:45 <djphil> Oki, just hope you can fix it soon :p
2017-08-28 15:45 <Ubit> can't be fixed
2017-08-28 15:46 <Ubit> we don't control the other end of the connections :p
2017-08-28 15:46 <djphil> :o Why ?
2017-08-28 15:46 <Ubit> just answered :)
2017-08-28 15:46 <djphil> There was not that before ...
2017-08-28 15:46 <Ubit> it was.. hidden
2017-08-28 15:47 <djphil> It appeared with 0.9
2017-08-28 15:47 <Ubit> bc we placed the debug message there
2017-08-28 15:47 <djphil> ok
2017-08-28 15:47 <djphil> how i can fix it here then
2017-08-28 15:48 <Ubit> man...
2017-08-28 15:48 <djphil> i can't
2017-08-28 15:48 <djphil> and you can't
2017-08-28 15:48 <Ubit> we don't control the other end of the connections :p <----
2017-08-28 15:48 <djphil> wie can then :p
2017-08-28 15:48 <Ubit> we can't
2017-08-28 15:48 <djphil> how i can try to fix that ?
2017-08-28 15:48 <djphil> i can ?
2017-08-28 15:48 <Ubit> Grrr
2017-08-28 15:49 <djphil> soory man, i no understand
2017-08-28 15:49 <Ubit> bc the other side of the connection did disconnect !!!
2017-08-28 15:49 <Ubit> we can't control that
2017-08-28 15:49 <djphil> the other side is osgrid ?
2017-08-28 15:50 <Ubit> or a google web bot
2017-08-28 15:50 <djphil> opensim is internal google bot ?
2017-08-28 15:50 <Ubit> or whatever
2017-08-28 15:50 <Ubit> GRRR
2017-08-28 15:50 <djphil> lol
2017-08-28 15:50 <djphil> he soory
2017-08-28 15:50 <djphil> sorry*
2017-08-28 15:51 <Ubit> man.. its a connection that was closed  when we expected it to still be active
2017-08-28 15:51 <Ubit> a crashed viewer is another example
2017-08-28 15:52 <Ubit> "Une connexion existante a d� �tre ferm�e par l'h�te distant"
2017-08-28 15:52 <Ubit> see ?
2017-08-28 15:53 <djphil> It seems the other person do not have this message ... otherwise it would already have been reported by others on the mantis
2017-08-28 15:53 <djphil> It seems I silk the only one to have this message
2017-08-28 15:53 <djphil> That's why I'd like to understand why I have this and I'd like to know if I can do anything to improve that.
2017-08-28 15:53 <djphil> It is difficult to understand that it is not possible to solve this problem. Neither by nor by me. It seems to be a warning message that is meant to persist ... :(
2017-08-28 15:53 <Ubit> NOTE: this may be spurious on Linux 
2017-08-28 15:53 <Ubit> the warning says it all
2017-08-28 15:53 <djphil> not really see because i have this when i'm no connected
2017-08-28 15:53 <djphil> And not logged in for a long time
2017-08-28 15:53 <djphil> And disconnected properly
2017-08-28 15:54 <Ubit> what part of " par l'h�te distant" don't you understand?
2017-08-28 15:54 <Ubit> and no .. i got is also
2017-08-28 15:54 <djphil> ha you have too
2017-08-28 15:54 <Ubit> ..got it...
2017-08-28 15:54 <djphil> ok
2017-08-28 15:54 <Ubit> yes
2017-08-28 15:55 <djphil> the "par l'hôte distant" is osgrid i think ...
2017-08-28 15:55 <djphil> i mean robust service
2017-08-28 15:55 <Ubit> not necessary
2017-08-28 15:55 <djphil> here it appear when the simulator generate the maps
2017-08-28 15:55 <Ubit> can even be a tcp port scan
2017-08-28 15:56 <Ubit> well you don't see it on httptests :p
2017-08-28 15:56 <djphil> i have TCP view but i'm not able to analyse traffic :p
2017-08-28 15:56 <Ubit> and i will merge httptests on master .. one day
2017-08-28 15:57 <djphil> with re-hidden this alert ?
2017-08-28 15:57 <Ubit> yes
2017-08-28 15:57 <djphil> one day :p
2017-08-28 15:57 <djphil> ok, one day i close 8020 :)
2017-08-28 15:57 <Ubit> after postfixes release
2017-08-28 15:57 <djphil> oki, ty
2017-08-28 15:58 <Ubit> till then im trying to keep master on bug fixes mode only
2017-08-28 15:58 <Ubit> ( changed upode on httptests
2017-08-28 15:58 <Ubit> Ahhh ubOde on httptests needs a diferent  binary !!
2017-08-28 15:59 <djphil> Httptest branch has existed for a long time
2017-08-28 15:59 <Ubit> i know
2017-08-28 15:59 <djphil> hope It will be magnificent :)
2017-08-28 15:59 <Ubit> i did changed ODE the folders on opensim-libs
2017-08-28 16:00 <djphil> in master or httptest branch ?
2017-08-28 16:00 <Ubit> opensim-libs\trunk\unmanaged\ODE-OpenSim-Current  ---> the version in use on master
2017-08-28 16:00 <djphil> on master oki :)
2017-08-28 16:00 <Ubit> opensim-libs\trunk\unmanaged\ODE-OpenSim-Test ---> the version on httptests
2017-08-28 16:00 <djphil> Hmm both :)
2017-08-28 16:01 <Ubit> and i will need the ODE-OpenSim-Test binaries, before updating master
2017-08-28 16:02 <Ubit> because this where changes on both the Bin and ubOde managed code
2017-08-28 16:02 <Ubit> um another cause of that warning is  viewers timeout on eventspool
2017-08-28 16:03 <Ubit> but should not happen.. server timeout is shorter so server should close first
2017-08-28 16:03 <djphil> This happens when I am not logged in
2017-08-28 16:04 <djphil> It occurs just when the simulator is on and periodically every time the maps are generated.
2017-08-28 16:04 <djphil> (in my case)
2017-08-28 16:05 <djphil> But ok, now I know I just have to wait for you hide it again
2017-08-28 16:05 <djphil> It's clear
2017-08-28 16:05 <djphil>  :)
2017-08-28 16:05 <Ubit> easy.. run httptests :p
2017-08-28 16:05 <Tampa> Does this happen on other grids as well? Try hooking a simulator up to Metropolis or another open-grid. Try switching the map module from warp3d to the normal mapimagemodule.
2017-08-28 16:06 <djphil> hehe, i don't have time for now to setup another simulaor
2017-08-28 16:06 <Tampa> You can run generate map to forcefully generate map tiles and send them off to robust, see if that causes the same error
2017-08-28 16:06 <djphil> The normal map don't generate beautiffull maps with mesh etc ....
2017-08-28 16:06 <Tampa> You need to eliminate some variables before blaming this just on OpenSim, it may be a slow connection or it could be OSGrid.
2017-08-28 16:07 <djphil> sure i can understand that tampa
2017-08-28 16:07 <Tampa> Well if you elect to use warp3d with mesh rendering then that is going to put a lot of stress on OpenSim to generate the tiles so the process will be buggy and slow to respond I have seen that numerous times.
2017-08-28 16:08 <djphil> Simply I noticed one day this message appears while I had not modified my configuration. It is then legitimate to think that something else, not coming from my home, is the cause message of this ...
2017-08-28 16:09 <djphil> That's fine, the map generation is fast here :)
2017-08-28 16:09 <djphil> np with that
2017-08-28 16:09 <Tampa> Likely if you are building on that simulator that eventually it got too much for the module to handle thus causing issues down the line. It's something you will have to endure if you want to keep using warp3d.
2017-08-28 16:10 <Tampa> If you want to put work towards removing the warning your best bet is trying to make warp3d better, although I have no clue how difficult that would be.
2017-08-28 16:12 <djphil> Well it seems that I'm not the only one to see this message ...
2017-08-28 16:13 <djphil> If you have suggestion, I will try :p
2017-08-28 16:13 <Tampa> No you are definitely not the only one using warp3d with mesh generation that sees loads of problems with maptile generation and the connector. Best bet is to forcefully generate map tiles and hope that between them they eventually send. Without access to robust storage you can drop them in manually either.
2017-08-28 16:14 <Ubit> RL calls cya later
2017-08-28 16:14 <Tampa> Unless you want to sit down and figure out how to make warp3d less of a pain for OpenSim to run then I suggest either not paying attention to the warning or moving to the default map module that works.
2017-08-28 16:15 <Tampa> There is no immediate fix for this.
2017-08-28 16:15 <djphil> Indeed this seems.
2017-08-28 16:16 <djphil> but np, now i understand and i can wait
2017-08-28 20:47 <colosi> Any XMLRPC experts who can help me figure something out?
2017-08-28 20:49 <Ubit> yeah i also whould like to know where the sources of that are
2017-08-28 20:50 <Plugh> colosi: You should just ask the question.
2017-08-28 20:50 <colosi> Thanks Plugh.
2017-08-28 20:52 <colosi> SampleMoneyModule (and we follow this and so does the OMC module) register some XMLRPCHandlers so that on a standalone grid, a user can do land and currencyBuy transactions without needing the currency.php or landtool.php files.  This works on standalone grids.  It even sometimes works for robust grids, though I haven’t figured out why it sometimes works and sometimes fails.  Anyway, my question is going to be in regards
2017-08-28 20:52 <colosi> Standalone, where I know it consistently works.
2017-08-28 20:52 <colosi> This is from the sample money module: httpServer.AddXmlRPCHandler("getCurrencyQuote", quote_func);
2017-08-28 20:52 <colosi> And this works
2017-08-28 20:53 <colosi> My assumption was that the viewer called the grid’s helper-uri with the method “getCurrencyQuote”
2017-08-28 20:53 <colosi> But, I just looked at the FireStorm code
2017-08-28 20:53 <Ubit> should work yes
2017-08-28 20:53 <colosi> and the URL they call the method on is: LLGridManager::getInstance()->getHelperURI() + "currency.php";
2017-08-28 20:53 <colosi> effectively helper-uri/currency.php
2017-08-28 20:54 <colosi> I can’t figure out how this works
2017-08-28 20:54 <colosi> Wouldn’t OpenSim have need to register a listener at helper-uri/currency.php?
2017-08-28 20:54 <colosi> and as far as I can tell, it does not.
2017-08-28 20:55 <Ubit> viwers expect a grid side handler made in php, it seems from you paste
2017-08-28 20:55 <Ubit> but im running out my waters on this ( at least now )
2017-08-28 20:56 <colosi> Agreed, which is one way it is often done
2017-08-28 20:56 <smxy> "running out my waters"?
2017-08-28 20:56 <colosi> But, registering the handler via the AddXmlRPCHandler() call also works (though I can’t figure out how).
2017-08-28 20:56 <colosi> Was wondering if someone knew how the heck that works.
2017-08-28 20:56 <Ubit> smxy shutup :p
2017-08-28 20:56 <smxy> Bite me, Ubit. :P
2017-08-28 20:57 <Ubit> keep your arm still
2017-08-28 20:57 <smxy> haha
2017-08-28 21:02 <Plugh> colosi: The XMLRPC expects a response from the external PHP code.
2017-08-28 21:02 <Plugh> The XMLRPC call...
2017-08-28 21:17 <colosi> Plugh, I get that.  Traditionally, there is a currency.php and landtool.php file located at the helper-uri
2017-08-28 21:17 <colosi> They create an XMLRPC server, listen for those methods, and return info to the viewer.
2017-08-28 21:18 <colosi> However, I am pretty sure that those methods can also be registered directly from a region module, and if the helper-uri is directed at the region module, they will also handle those methods and respond to the viewer.  That made sense to me until I saw that the viewer is manually adding “currency.php” to the end of the helper-uri before calling the methods.
2017-08-28 21:20 <colosi> Just verified that I do not have currency.php on my standalone grid, and yet, those registered XMLRPCHandlers work.
2017-08-28 21:20 <colosi> Don’t know how.
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2017-08-29 06:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5801: SUCCESS in 9 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5801/
2017-08-29 06:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix cache.cs (used on parcels info)
2017-08-29 09:24 <osmantis> Bug #8236:04 Error with scripts that let overload region and crash ppl 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8236 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-08-29 11:13 <osmantis> Bug #8236:04 Error with scripts that let overload region and crash ppl 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8236 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-08-29 15:56 <snik> hiya everyone - I'm attempting to compile the EventRecordingModule against 0.9.x dev and am getting a compiler error of "The type or namespace name `IUserManagement' could not be found" - can anyone give me some help on a workaround, so that I can get the EventRecordingModule compiled please 
2017-08-29 16:18 <osmantis> Bug #7615:04 Landing point does not work in Var Regions. Teleport in always lands at 128,128, 25 and ignores the set landing point. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7615 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-29 19:43 <osmantis> Bug #8237:04 Linking large builds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8237 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-08-30 06:46 <Ubit> damm i had to "crash" and miss yesterday meeting
2017-08-30 12:57 <osmantis> Bug #8236:04 Error with scripts that let overload region and crash ppl 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8236 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-30 13:17 <osmantis> Bug #8238:04 HandleRequest threw An existing connection was fo rcibly closed by the remote host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8238 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-08-30 14:20 <osmantis> Bug #8238:04 HandleRequest threw An existing connection was fo rcibly closed by the remote host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-30 14:44 <osmantis> Bug #8238:04 HandleRequest threw An existing connection was fo rcibly closed by the remote host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8238 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-30 15:33 <osmantis> Bug #8238:04 HandleRequest threw An existing connection was fo rcibly closed by the remote host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8238 ): has been set as DUPLICATE OF issue 0008020.
2017-08-30 15:33 <osmantis> Bug #8020:04 [BASE HTTP SERVER] HandleRequest threw 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8020 ): The issue 0008238 has been set as DUPLICATE OF the following issue.
2017-08-30 20:06 <Aramis^> Ubit http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2017-08-29
2017-08-30 20:18 <Ubit> yes ?
2017-08-30 20:18 <Ubit> what about it ?
2017-08-30 20:18 <OtakuMegane> Think was just posting the log for you.
2017-08-30 20:19 <Ubit> ohh thx, i had seen it already
2017-08-30 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #7615:04 Landing point does not work in Var Regions. Teleport in always lands at 128,128, 25 and ignores the set landing point. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7615 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-30 21:27 <osmantis> Bug #7615:04 Landing point does not work in Var Regions. Teleport in always lands at 128,128, 25 and ignores the set landing point. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7615 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-08-31 00:15 <Ubit> time to sleep :)
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2017-08-31 04:11 <osmantis> Bug #7615:04 Landing point does not work in Var Regions. Teleport in always lands at 128,128, 25 and ignores the set landing point. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7615 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-31 07:45 <osmantis> Bug #7615:04 Landing point does not work in Var Regions. Teleport in always lands at 128,128, 25 and ignores the set landing point. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7615 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-31 09:03 <osmantis> Bug #7615:04 Landing point does not work in Var Regions. Teleport in always lands at 128,128, 25 and ignores the set landing point. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7615 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-08-31 12:28 <Ubit> grrr its still 4.0 :p
2017-08-31 12:29 <Ubit> but msbuild did work
2017-08-31 12:29 <Ubit> odd
2017-08-31 12:30 <Ubit> ops x86 ??
2017-08-31 12:31 <Ubit> thats why it was faster :)
2017-08-31 12:35 <Ubit> on win..
2017-08-31 12:50 <Ubit> Bill ?
2017-08-31 14:39 <Ubit> hi diva_  you look very nice as always :)
2017-08-31 14:39 <diva_> :)
2017-08-31 14:47 <Ubit> i whould like to remember what i did to have my test region 20us faster
2017-08-31 14:47 <Ubit> ( physics time on a vehicle test on a hill)
2017-08-31 14:49 <Ubit> oops the test code to disable default collision sounds :)
2017-08-31 14:51 <Ubit> well and release more and 32bit
2017-08-31 14:54 <Ubit> ohhh and win remember i did AOT on some files 
2017-08-31 14:55 <Ubit> line openmetavereTypes 
2017-08-31 16:44 <colosi> Anyone have any expertise building the FireStorm viewer or know someone who does that they can connect me with?  Running into an issue I can’t figure out, but someone who really knows how that whole autobuild xbuild process really works can probably solve quickly.
2017-08-31 18:33 <Plugh> The biggest problem is getting all the dependencies installed.
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2017-08-31 21:02 <colosi> Thanks Plugh.  Yes, that was the first challenge.  Then I thought my version of xcode was too old and was causing an issue, so I wanted to upgrade, but to do that, I had to upgrade my whole OS.  Then I could only get xcode 8.3.3.  That doesn’t include quicktime.h, so building failed.  I figured out how to get xcode 7 and tell the command line build tools and autobuild to use xcode 7.  I cleaned everything and rebuilt.  Now, I have a 
2017-08-31 21:02 <colosi> library (libGLOD.dylib) which says it is for a different architecture.
2017-08-31 21:02 <Plugh> xcode? I haven't seen that mentioned before when trying to build a viewer.
2017-08-31 21:02 <colosi> building FireStorm on MacOS requires xcode
2017-08-31 21:03 <colosi> uses the xcode command line build tools
2017-08-31 21:03 <Plugh> ok. I have only built viewers under Linux.
2017-08-31 21:03 <colosi> yup
2017-08-31 21:04 <colosi> So, I’ve reached out to them on IRC.  No luck.  I filed a jira and someone responded, but not someone who knows how to fix this.  I’ve emailed one of the dev leads, but no response yet.
2017-08-31 21:04 <colosi> I don’t want to have to figure out the whole autobuild system so that I can make one little patch.
2017-08-31 21:05 <Plugh> I have the sources for Sing but not for FS.
2017-08-31 21:05 <Plugh> Build process is pretty much the same IIRC.
2017-08-31 21:05 <Plugh> IIRC, viewers don't use the standard autofoo build system.
2017-08-31 21:07 <Plugh> colosi: Have you seen this? -> http://www.singularityviewer.org/kb/build-linux
2017-08-31 21:07 <Plugh> um... in your case -> http://www.singularityviewer.org/kb/build-mac
2017-08-31 21:08 <Plugh> The Linux page was the one that allowed me to build Singularity and other viewers.
2017-08-31 21:09 <Plugh> The viewers use cmake and not autogen/configure.
2017-08-31 21:14 <colosi> Yes, I’ve got cmake and xcode and a special autobuild (which they really should have renamed).  Maybe Singularity will have some instruction that is left out of the FS instructions.  I’ll check it out.  Thansk Plugh.
2017-08-31 21:15 <Plugh> ok. I don't know what you might have needed to modify in the autobuild.xml file.
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2017-09-04 15:20 <Plugh> I have a report that in 082PF if you disable XEngine the region won't start. It gets stuck at waiting for scripts to load and you can't login to the region.
2017-09-04 15:26 <Plugh> Has anyone else run across that problem?
2017-09-04 15:59 <Tampa> Can't say that I ever had that issue with 8.2 or above no. It shouldn't even do that wait for scripts to start thing if I read that correctly.
2017-09-04 17:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #5802 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-09-04 17:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5802: SUCCESS in 8 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5802/
2017-09-04 17:46 <osjenkins> * kevin: Fixed typo in function name HaveNotifiedLogOfScriptStopMistmatch.
2017-09-04 17:46 <osjenkins> * kevin: Fixed typos in comments in osslEnable.ini
2017-09-04 18:31 <misterblue> Plugh: the culprit is probably RegionReadyModule.cs which waits for scripts to compile before allowing regions to work. You might try adding to INI file: [RegionReady] enabled=false
2017-09-04 18:50 <Plugh> misterblue: Thanks. I'll try that later. I found out I need to update an addon module in my copy of the source tree before I can complete a build of master.
2017-09-04 18:50 <Plugh> I need to sort that out first.
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2017-09-05 13:31 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: add clock and change logic for taint processing a little
2017-09-05 13:31 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: most of the plumbing for raycast. Needs new BulletSim.dll to
2017-09-05 13:31 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim; Update BulletSim.dll's and so's for raycast.
2017-09-05 13:31 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: first version of raycast. Only single contact point and no
2017-09-05 13:31 <osjenkins> * misterblue: BulletSim: add raycast filtering
2017-09-05 13:49 <Plugh> I know someone who will be happy to hear about that change to BS.
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2017-09-07 15:53 <diva_> Hey Ubit, did you ever reply to that email thread about the GRID SERVICES user?
2017-09-07 15:53 <Ubit> i did, hmm possible to the private ones i got :)
2017-09-07 15:54 <diva_> so what's the deal with that account?
2017-09-07 15:54 <Ubit> it is to allow grid to kill a user, using the normal gods code for it
2017-09-07 15:55 <diva_> how?
2017-09-07 15:55 <Ubit> to prevent multuple logins of some account
2017-09-07 15:55 <diva_> why do you need a special user for doing that?
2017-09-07 15:55 <Ubit> to reuse the code already there
2017-09-07 15:55 <diva_> why don't you use some existing account that has god powers?
2017-09-07 15:56 <Ubit> what existent account?
2017-09-07 15:56 <diva_> query the db for it?
2017-09-07 15:56 <Ubit> don't see the point od that
2017-09-07 15:57 <diva_> hmm, I don't like that opensim creates a user account on people's grids...
2017-09-07 15:57 <Ubit> and if there was none? and if we do decide to log gods actions?
2017-09-07 15:57 <diva_> if there is none, then it can't be killed
2017-09-07 15:57 <diva_> logging is good
2017-09-07 15:57 <Ubit> well its identicl do that chanserv above
2017-09-07 15:57 <Ubit> chanserv is a ircop
2017-09-07 15:57 <Ubit> a system ircop
2017-09-07 15:57 <Ubit> similar model
2017-09-07 15:58 <Ubit> for a similar problem
2017-09-07 15:58 <diva_> not really no
2017-09-07 15:58 <Ubit> not reallt no what?
2017-09-07 15:58 <diva_> we don't run irc servers
2017-09-07 15:58 <Ubit> i said similar model
2017-09-07 16:00 <diva_> it's not similar. Someone runs the irc server, and they decide to have that special cop. In out case, it's up to the grids to decide if they want that special cop or not. We should not be creating user accounts
2017-09-07 16:00 <Ubit> either that or a new regions-grid api
2017-09-07 16:01 <Ubit> i went for the easy route
2017-09-07 16:01 <diva_> yeah, I think we need to change it
2017-09-07 16:01 <Ubit> don't see why
2017-09-07 16:01 <diva_> I really don't like the idea of creating an opensim-mandated user account. It looks like we're spying or something. It's a really bad idea to create data on ppl's databases
2017-09-07 16:02 <Ubit> don't really see why not
2017-09-07 16:02 <Ubit> they are system things
2017-09-07 16:02 <diva_> if they are system things, then let's do it without creating data for it
2017-09-07 16:03 <diva_> I haven't looked at the code, but I'll take a look
2017-09-07 16:05 <BOAN[N]> wy don`t kill the user account if it not uses... on expredate of 90 days ??
2017-09-07 16:06 <Ubit> storing it on the db was also a shortcut
2017-09-07 16:06 <Ubit> all code paths used the DB as source
2017-09-07 16:06 <Ubit> so adding to it, reduced extra special code
2017-09-07 16:07 <diva_> I will take a look, just wanted to hear about the history of this account...
2017-09-07 16:08 <Ubit> well original problem was  same user account logged in several regions at same time on same grid
2017-09-07 16:08 <diva_> that should be allowed in some grids
2017-09-07 16:09 <diva_> I think you accounted for that, yes?
2017-09-07 16:09 <Ubit> that can't be allowe
2017-09-07 16:09 <diva_> of course it can
2017-09-07 16:09 <Ubit> all the code assumes only one 
2017-09-07 16:09 <diva_> no, not really
2017-09-07 16:09 <Ubit> yes really
2017-09-07 16:09 <diva_> it's perfectly fine if the user logs into separate regions
2017-09-07 16:10 <diva_> and sometimes that may be desired
2017-09-07 16:10 <diva_> multiple sessions
2017-09-07 16:10 <diva_> remember, there are many uses of opensim that aren't second life-like at all...
2017-09-07 16:10 <diva_> but I think your code accounts for that
2017-09-07 16:10 <Ubit> then the rest of code needs to suport multiple sessions.. and it does not
2017-09-07 16:11 <diva_> there's config var that I came across recently
2017-09-07 16:11 <diva_> it does. nothing bad happens. Unless the sessions are on the same region or neighbors
2017-09-07 16:11 <diva_> but if they're far apart, there's no problem
2017-09-07 16:12 <Tampa> Define "bad", cause I can see just a ton of data handling issues arise from that?
2017-09-07 16:12 <Ubit> those will not happen.. previus connections are killed
2017-09-07 16:12 <BOAN[N]> what i don`t understand on this topic is how do you log in multpe times on i grid whit the same account whit the viewer 
2017-09-07 16:12 <diva_> we designed the presence service to be able to handle multiple sessions
2017-09-07 16:12 <Ubit> just log on diferent regions on 0.82 BOA
2017-09-07 16:13 <Ubit> youwill be allowed
2017-09-07 16:13 <Ubit> actually guess still on osgrid.. if they didn't update grid side code
2017-09-07 16:13 <diva_> IT'S CONFIGURABLE
2017-09-07 16:13 <diva_> oops
2017-09-07 16:13 <diva_> didn't mean to shout :)
2017-09-07 16:13 <Ubit> :)
2017-09-07 16:13 <Tampa> How does inventory, attachments etc handle that?
2017-09-07 16:14 <Ubit> dice gambling tampa
2017-09-07 16:14 <Ubit> nothing really suports that
2017-09-07 16:14 <BOAN[N]> oke.. never intersing ;) the same way as multpe sessions stored 
2017-09-07 16:14 <Tampa> I don't like gambling at all, not with my data anyways
2017-09-07 16:14 <BOAN[N]> i think so 
2017-09-07 16:14 <Ubit> of course if users only dance or move around, no big issues
2017-09-07 16:15 <Ubit> ims  etc etc..  well guess a dice gambling :p
2017-09-07 16:15 <diva_> Ubit: we designed the presence service to be able to handle multiple sessions. There are some issues when the sessions are on the same regions, but it is possible to login multiple sessions in separate regions. There's a config var for that called m_allowDuplicatePresences
2017-09-07 16:16 <diva_> you actually ran across it when you added this code
2017-09-07 16:16 <Ubit> i know
2017-09-07 16:16 <Ubit> but presence is part of the system
2017-09-07 16:16 <Ubit> not all
2017-09-07 16:17 <diva_> anyway, just saying that in the case the grids are configured for allowing only one session, we should not create any user account, so let me look into a different way of killing the existing sessions
2017-09-07 16:17 <Ubit> inventory have sync for all the sessions? will all viewers see the same?
2017-09-07 16:18 <diva_> no
2017-09-07 16:18 <Ubit> how does IM routing work ?
2017-09-07 16:18 <diva_> there is no support for keeping the sessions synchronized. But it's possible to have them,
2017-09-07 16:18 <diva_> and that's important in some use cases
2017-09-07 16:18 <Ubit> guess rare uses
2017-09-07 16:19 <Ubit> wel i don't remember the code.. guess i did honour the option no?
2017-09-07 16:19 <diva_> you did :)
2017-09-07 16:19 <Ubit> Ok :)
2017-09-07 16:19 <Ubit> so we can both be happy on that :)
2017-09-07 16:19 <Tampa> All you want to do is remove a session and that requires a god user account to do?
2017-09-07 16:19 <diva_> but, as I said, even in the SL-like case of single session-only, we should not be creating accounts in ppl's dbs
2017-09-07 16:20 <Ubit> now service agents  being visbisle on dbs it another story
2017-09-07 16:20 <diva_> yeah
2017-09-07 16:20 <Ubit> i took the minimal efford path :)
2017-09-07 16:20 <Ubit> "need to kill on a region... ohh grid gods can.. do it"
2017-09-07 16:20 <Ubit> etc
2017-09-07 16:21 <diva_> i know, now let's do it right...
2017-09-07 16:21 <Ubit> and i said its actually the irc services model
2017-09-07 16:21 <Tampa> I would certainly be happy if presence would be given a look at since I hourly crawl it anyways to remove the stale sessions sometimes left there preventing users from logging in
2017-09-07 16:21 <Ubit> chanserv, nickserv are ircops and have accounts
2017-09-07 16:21 <Ubit> ( you can do whois..  get info etc )
2017-09-07 16:21 <diva_> yeah, let's not do that
2017-09-07 16:22 <Ubit> wel it works
2017-09-07 16:22 <Tampa> having system users is fine, but people tend to tinker around with them hence breaking them and defeating their existence entirely, been there done that
2017-09-07 16:22 <diva_> yep
2017-09-07 16:23 <Ubit> that will happen no matter what you do
2017-09-07 16:23 <Tampa> Either lock them down so they cannot be tinkered with or remove them entirely
2017-09-07 16:23 <diva_> there's so many reasons for not doing these accounts, it's hard to list them all
2017-09-07 16:23 <diva_> it's just... no
2017-09-07 16:23 <Ubit> i only added one :)
2017-09-07 16:23 <diva_> I know, np, "make it work" then "make it right" is my motto
2017-09-07 16:24 <BOAN[N]> i go to eat ;) read it later back.
2017-09-07 16:24 <Ubit> well it is not wrong
2017-09-07 16:25 <Ubit> may not be the perfect model, but it not a wrong model
2017-09-07 16:25 <Tampa> Ubit, let diva fiddle around with it, presence needs some love anyways :)
2017-09-07 16:26 <Ubit> as i said.. workwd fine for irc, and also as a solution to a identical problem
2017-09-07 16:26 <diva_> it's as wrong as using an external IP finder for the HG. It worked fine, but it was wrong.
2017-09-07 16:26 <diva_> so we changed it
2017-09-07 16:26 <Ubit> i do not agree with that compare
2017-09-07 16:26 <Ubit> see no relation at all really
2017-09-07 16:27 <Tampa> Cronjob remove presence entry if regionkey = nullkey also works, but I would rather have it not even leave them in there in the first place
2017-09-07 16:27 <smxy> I can't tell you how many pices of software I use, on a daily basis, at work, that, during installation, create a service account. There is nothing wrong with them. You shouldn't be NOT using them, because some people might mess with them - that is THEIR stupidity for doing so, and OpenSimulator is NOT their Nanny.
2017-09-07 16:27 <Tampa> Don't fight the symptom, fight the cause
2017-09-07 16:27 <smxy> pieces*
2017-09-07 16:28 <diva_> it's wrong in the same way: it works, but it violates certain principles of the project. We don't want ppl's grids to be pinging external services without them knowing, and we don't want to create data on their dbs without them knowing either. Let's just stay away from ppl's data entirely
2017-09-07 16:29 <Ubit> that principle does seem very strange.. when all we do is create data or user dbs
2017-09-07 16:29 <smxy> Them "not knowing" would be either because there is no documentation for it, or they didn;t bother to read it. The software should do what it needs to do.
2017-09-07 16:29 <Ubit> but whatever 
2017-09-07 16:30 <diva_> the goal at hand doesn't require a system account at all
2017-09-07 16:30 <diva_> this was the path of least resistence
2017-09-07 16:30 <Ubit> yes it was..
2017-09-07 16:30 <Tampa> You are creating a system user with elevated permission when the task it performs can be performed without that permission
2017-09-07 16:30 <diva_> just like pinging an external IP service was the path of least resistence too
2017-09-07 16:31 <Ubit> but if you remember physics.. thats well thats all physics is about  :p
2017-09-07 16:31 <diva_> anyway
2017-09-07 16:31 <diva_> it's ok, I'll fix it, unless you get to it first :)
2017-09-07 16:31 <Ubit> sure.. 
2017-09-07 16:32 <Ubit> im just fighting bv you said it wrong.. not not pretty or somthing :p
2017-09-07 16:32 <diva_> :)
2017-09-07 16:32 <Ubit> ;)
2017-09-07 16:33 <Ubit> and i made it region side code neutral
2017-09-07 16:33 <Ubit> only later i decided to let regions kow about it
2017-09-07 16:34 <Ubit> ie could work with only grid side update
2017-09-07 16:34 <Ubit> errr and still does
2017-09-07 16:37 <Ubit> oops we don't say kill we say kick
2017-09-07 16:41 <ssm2017> hello, i have not understood everything but to prevent creating a new account by the migration, we can maybe ask what user's uuid is granted as "grid admin" in robust's ini ?
2017-09-07 16:43 <Ubit> well Diva is more against any specially account, on db or not
2017-09-07 16:45 <ssm2017> the idea : isGridAdmin="abcd-efgh...." in Robust.ini (use existing account)
2017-09-07 16:45 <diva_> we don't need to create any special account in order to kick user sessions out of the grid.
2017-09-07 16:46 <diva_> that was just the quickest way of doing it
2017-09-07 16:46 <Ubit> fine do that on regions still on 0.82 also
2017-09-07 16:52 <Ubit> ufff letting compile add AVX where it can does add it on some places
2017-09-07 16:52 <Ubit> and it is slower
2017-09-07 16:52 <Ubit> bahh
2017-09-07 16:52 <Ubit> ( ode )
2017-09-07 16:53 <Ubit> modern cpus are so funny
2017-09-07 16:53 <Ubit> where 5 yrs cpus...
2017-09-07 16:53 <ssm2017> what is the proper way to kick a session user out of the grid ?
2017-09-07 16:54 <ssm2017> without using god powers on a god allowed region
2017-09-07 16:54 <Tampa> reboot the simulator xD
2017-09-07 16:54 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsKickAvatar
2017-09-07 16:55 <ssm2017> to prevent connecting a user, i set his loglevel to -1 but i have never tried (and hope never have to) kick a user
2017-09-07 16:59 <ssm2017> if the concept is to kick a user grid side (adding the command in robust console) the OsKickAvatar is region level so if the sim owner is not allowing grid gods on its sim, the grid gods are not allowed to operate
2017-09-07 17:07 <djphil> But why could the owner of the grid exclude a person from an area that is not his own?
2017-09-07 17:08 <osmantis> Bug #8237:04 Linking large builds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8237 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-09-07 17:08 <djphil> Normally only the owner of the region concerned should be able to decide that no?
2017-09-07 17:08 <Ubit> "owner of the grid " hmm rings any bells? :p
2017-09-07 17:08 <Ubit> NO
2017-09-07 17:09 <Ubit> you are thinking grids like osg only ( even there questionable )
2017-09-07 17:09 <osmantis> Bug #8237:04 Linking large builds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8237 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-09-07 17:10 <djphil> 
ACTION Make love not war :)

2017-09-07 17:11 <Ubit> :)
2017-09-07 17:12 <osmantis> Bug #8237:04 Linking large builds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8237 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-09-07 17:13 <djphil> Ubit, about 32Bits, using viewer as 32Bits is too more safe for memory ?
2017-09-07 17:13 <Ubit> guess logic is the same
2017-09-07 17:13 <Ubit> smaller pointers.. less memory
2017-09-07 17:14 <djphil> why 64bits exist then ? :p
2017-09-07 17:14 <Ubit> bc ppl like to sell new cpus :p
2017-09-07 17:14 <djphil> haha ^^
2017-09-07 17:14 <Ubit> ( and of course it is needed
2017-09-07 17:15 <Ubit> look im talking about 32bit on a 64b OS
2017-09-07 17:15 <Ubit> and one that does 32b well
2017-09-07 17:16 <djphil> that's wonderful :)
2017-09-07 17:16 <Ubit> think viewers had another reason to be 32b also..
2017-09-07 17:17 <Ubit> a lib in use for SL was only avaiable in 32b
2017-09-07 17:17 <Ubit> but as i said
2017-09-07 17:17 <Ubit> the funny is that now MS does make ANYCPU default to 32bit not the OS natural size
2017-09-07 17:18 <Ubit> ( also so funny how they now are promotiong full native compile of c#, basic telling IL is crap )
2017-09-07 17:23 <djphil> I try to find out if there is at least one good reason to use opensim and viewer in 64bits rather than 32bits ...
2017-09-07 17:23 <Ubit> yr 80000 prims region :p
2017-09-07 17:23 <djphil> no yet
2017-09-07 17:24 <Ubit> 50000 ?
2017-09-07 17:24 <djphil> Honestly, I do not know
2017-09-07 17:24 <Ubit> well i did run a oar of wright plaza with 35k prims in 32b with no major issues
2017-09-07 17:25 <Ubit> but i would not recomend
2017-09-07 17:25 <Ubit> bc 32b memory limit is a very HARD one :)
2017-09-07 17:25 <Ubit> i mean
2017-09-07 17:25 <Ubit> bc 32b VIRTUAL memory limit is a very HARD one :)
2017-09-07 17:25 <Ubit> ( no relation with physical )
2017-09-07 17:26 <djphil> ok, i see. My question is stupid :s
2017-09-07 17:26 <Ubit> it is 1.9GB if i remember (32b  on win 64bit ) and per instance
2017-09-07 17:27 <Ubit> hmm 4 for 32b limit,   upper half for OS interface..  and minus things .net reserves
2017-09-07 17:28 <BOAN[N]> you can simpelfy it, try 64 bit on 32 bits it will not runn 
2017-09-07 17:29 <Ubit> duhhh
2017-09-07 17:29 <Ubit> :p
2017-09-07 17:29 <Ubit> its 32b on 64b :p
2017-09-07 17:31 <BOAN[N]> lol, not erywon know it, update it to 64b as well ;)  
2017-09-07 17:31 <Ubit> well this bits size thing..  was a reason why intel took the market out of motorola in early 80's
2017-09-07 17:32 <Ubit> motorola when from the 6809  beat directly to 32b
2017-09-07 17:32 <Ubit> intel was conservative and created the 8086 16b with that crap segmentation as address extension
2017-09-07 17:33 <Ubit> with that got in the market needs faster
2017-09-07 17:33 <Ubit> and with a faster cpu then the 68K
2017-09-07 17:34 <Ubit> and a lot less expensive specially the reduced 8088
2017-09-07 17:35 <Ubit> if love 64b use a itanium :p
2017-09-07 18:25 <Ubit> anyone still runs opensim on windows with cpus that do not have AVX ?
2017-09-07 18:26 <Ubit> ( cpus around 2012)
2017-09-07 18:27 <Ubit> ok and SSE2 ?
2017-09-07 18:28 <Tampa> I have a machine that old running XP
2017-09-07 18:28 <Ubit> that does exclude AVX
2017-09-07 18:28 <Ubit> it needs win7 sp1
2017-09-07 18:29 <Tampa> Any other way to check if it has that other than the age?
2017-09-07 18:29 <Ubit> google the cpu model
2017-09-07 18:30 <Ubit> well guess its on system also, but criptic
2017-09-07 18:30 <Tampa> Instruction set 	MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, x86-64, 3DNow! says wikipedia
2017-09-07 18:30 <Ubit> pIV or more
2017-09-07 18:30 <Tampa> amd athlon 64 x2
2017-09-07 18:30 <Ubit> or that
2017-09-07 18:31 <Ubit> sse2 is 2001
2017-09-07 18:31 <Ubit> sse3 2004
2017-09-07 18:31 <djphil> just broken my sse2 machine
2017-09-07 18:31 <Ubit> amd 2003
2017-09-07 18:32 <Ubit> well acording to google also
2017-09-07 18:33 <Tampa> I also have a Xeon X7350 and an i7 990x if that is of help
2017-09-07 18:33 <Ubit> well just playing with ode compile options
2017-09-07 18:33 <Ubit> even not using explicit simd code, compiler does add it
2017-09-07 18:34 <Ubit> well if allowed
2017-09-07 18:34 <Ubit> seems 99% of the loops can't have it in current from
2017-09-07 18:35 <Ubit> so stupid
2017-09-07 18:35 <Ubit> on a vector4
2017-09-07 18:35 <Tampa> Windows specific or under linux as well?
2017-09-07 18:35 <Ubit> gcc can do it also
2017-09-07 18:35 <Ubit> but im looking vs only
2017-09-07 18:36 <Ubit> it is just part of the instruction set optimization for the selected CPU we always add
2017-09-07 18:36 <Ubit> now use of SIMD is also included
2017-09-07 18:37 <Ubit> but so silly
2017-09-07 18:37 <Tampa> If you need an older machine there is always ebay, hardware that old shouldnt cost much if its just barebones
2017-09-07 18:37 <Ubit> if i fo for(i=0;i<4Mi++) v[i] = k[i];
2017-09-07 18:37 <Ubit> it does simd
2017-09-07 18:38 <Ubit> but  last index is useless on vector3
2017-09-07 18:38 <Ubit> so real code is   for(i=0;i<3;i++) v[i] = k[i];
2017-09-07 18:39 <Ubit> and does not do simd, even with v and k defined as 4 floats
2017-09-07 18:39 <Ubit> ( v[3] always 0
2017-09-07 18:39 <Ubit> i hate this float waste grrr
2017-09-07 18:40 <Ubit> makes simd almost useless
2017-09-07 18:40 <Tampa> So do you actually need old hardware to test this with?
2017-09-07 18:40 <Ubit> unless very specific ops
2017-09-07 18:40 <Ubit> nahh
2017-09-07 18:40 <Ubit> if my ( now old i7) shows no dif.. well
2017-09-07 18:40 <Ubit> actually avx as slower lol
2017-09-07 18:41 <Ubit> if  32b / 64b is mostly marketing grabage..  SIMD  is a lot moew
2017-09-07 18:41 <Ubit> unless very special cases
2017-09-07 18:42 <Tampa> unless you run out of memory
2017-09-07 18:42 <Ubit> on a app like this, bottle neck is memory
2017-09-07 18:42 <Tampa> Just today I had someone who ran robust out of memory on 32bit
2017-09-07 18:42 <Tampa> Well that an rc2 and release dont play well together
2017-09-07 18:43 <Ubit> caches are just 2 small ( and killed by folish abuse of  threading )
2017-09-07 18:43 <Ubit> so getting operands into cache is a lot of the  exec time
2017-09-07 18:44 <Tampa> Gotta take your word for it thats above me knowledge level
2017-09-07 18:44 <Ubit> :)
2017-09-07 18:45 <Ubit> well most ppl say SIMD is great
2017-09-07 18:45 <Tampa> I to this day dont get how pointers work xD
2017-09-07 18:45 <Ubit> and AVX512 uauuuu
2017-09-07 18:46 <Ubit> 16 single precision operations at same time..
2017-09-07 18:46 <Ubit> so it is 16x faster...
2017-09-07 18:46 <Ubit> Duhhhh
2017-09-07 18:47 <Ubit> little details like how the 512 x 2 bits got into the registers are minor :)
2017-09-07 18:47 <Ubit> and possible even worse.. how they need to be related
2017-09-07 18:48 <djphil> Hmmm i want one :)
2017-09-07 18:49 <Ubit> guess its on cpus released this year ?
2017-09-07 18:49 <Ubit> mine doesn't even have avx2
2017-09-07 18:51 <Tampa> I will be getting a machine with AVX2 in a week or so
2017-09-07 18:51 <Tampa> i5 4460
2017-09-07 18:51 <Ubit> Haswell processor, Q2 2013 was the first family
2017-09-07 18:53 <Ubit> hmm avx512 showed up on Xeons last year
2017-09-07 18:53 <Ubit> Knights Landing processors 
2017-09-07 18:53 <Ubit> this namings :)
2017-09-07 18:54 <Ubit> "This article may be too technical for most readers to understand" 
2017-09-07 18:54 <Ubit> lol
2017-09-07 18:54 <Ubit> SIMD is so easy..
2017-09-07 18:54 <Ubit> coff coff coff
2017-09-07 18:54 <Ubit> :)
2017-09-07 18:55 <Tampa> I have almost no idea what it is so they are half-right
2017-09-07 18:55 <Ubit> SIMD is still a area where you do need to know the hardware details
2017-09-07 18:56 <Ubit> to make it really work
2017-09-07 18:56 <Ubit> compilers.. well fail...
2017-09-07 18:57 <Ubit> and keeping the state of  X registers and their pipeline..  outch
2017-09-07 18:57 <Tampa> recommended customer price 10009$ O.O
2017-09-07 18:57 <Ubit> lol
2017-09-07 18:57 <Tampa> Whats the 9$ for rofl
2017-09-07 18:57 <Ubit> yeap :)
2017-09-07 18:58 <Ubit> well that or 9999$  US ppl love to much
2017-09-07 18:59 <Tampa> All processors with AVX512 are 1k and up so I doubt anyone will be running OpenSim on that right now
2017-09-07 18:59 <Ubit> ( possible the guy was thinkin 10000, want to right 9999 and ended up with 10009 :)
2017-09-07 18:59 <Ubit> to write..
2017-09-07 18:59 <Tampa> probably takes one or two years before anyone even starts offering servers with these cpus
2017-09-07 19:00 <Ubit> companies don't pay those pices
2017-09-07 19:00 <Ubit> prices
2017-09-07 19:01 <Ubit> i remember a Xiling pub
2017-09-07 19:01 <Tampa> No, but where I get my servers from they havent changed cpus since haswell and a machine with a 2k processor will probably cost quite a bit in monthly rent
2017-09-07 19:01 <Ubit> offering their top fpga  for  somthing like 2.5USD
2017-09-07 19:01 <Ubit> (and in small lettlers orders of 250000 units )
2017-09-07 19:02 <Ubit> the normal price was 3000USD :p
2017-09-07 19:02 <BOAN[N]> whow.... ;) 
2017-09-07 19:03 <Tampa> LGA 3647 Intel be like, when in doubt add more pins
2017-09-07 19:03 <Ubit> size of order defines cost of electronic parts
2017-09-07 19:03 <Tampa> Thats almost as big as a 2.5" hdd O.o
2017-09-07 19:06 <Tampa> 48 cores 192 threads O.o
2017-09-07 19:08 <Ubit> bahh hyperthreading..  worse than useless
2017-09-07 19:08 <Ubit> even today seen  benchmarks
2017-09-07 19:08 <Ubit> with it on the results where worse
2017-09-07 19:08 <Ubit> ( and on a modern cpu )
2017-09-07 19:18 <Tampa> I'm just trying to imagine what one could do with a quad socket and such cpus, the amount of simulators you could run :D
2017-09-07 19:18 <Ubit> better 4 boxes than that
2017-09-07 19:19 <Ubit> performance does not scale with number of cores
2017-09-07 19:19 <Ubit> hmm there is even a empirical law about that.. forgot its name
2017-09-07 19:19 <Tampa> Probably run into all sorts of io bottlenecks too
2017-09-07 19:19 <Ubit> yeap
2017-09-07 19:20 <Ubit> that is the problem
2017-09-07 19:20 <Tampa> Sometime mid 2018 might have some servers available with those although at that price they won't be cheap
2017-09-07 19:20 <Ubit> 2 machines with a single core are better than one machine with 2 idntical cores
2017-09-07 19:21 <Ubit> 2 run 2 regions for example
2017-09-07 19:21 <Ubit> no collsions between the 2 regions fighting for cpu.. ram.. disk.. etc :)
2017-09-07 19:22 <Tampa> Single or dual socket quadcore xeons seem to be a good sweetspot for running simulators
2017-09-07 19:22 <Tampa> 32 to 64 gb memory
2017-09-07 19:23 <Tampa> Any more and you run into network bottleneck
2017-09-07 19:25 <OtakuMegane> The problem with multiple systems is unless you have cabinet or general rackspace or are hosting stuff from home multiple systems will cost a lot more in rent than adding more cores to a single server.
2017-09-07 19:27 <Ubit> yeap not cost effective
2017-09-07 19:27 <Tampa> That comes down to proper planning though
2017-09-07 19:27 <OtakuMegane> It's why I usually build servers big then run things in VMs or containers.
2017-09-07 19:27 <Tampa> Most providers scale network and io with amount of cores and memory and the prices are somewhat linear to that
2017-09-07 19:28 <Ubit> well you can build hibrid things
2017-09-07 19:28 <Ubit> just giving each cpu a lot of local memory
2017-09-07 19:28 <djphil> i7 or Xeon is better for OpenSim ?
2017-09-07 19:28 <Ubit> ie kinda of l4 :)
2017-09-07 19:28 <OtakuMegane> Depends how you're doing things. I don't touch cloud-type hosting much other than temporary extra resources or something with completely unknown scaling in the future.
2017-09-07 19:29 <Ubit> i stil fail to understand Xeons
2017-09-07 19:29 <Ubit> when i got my i7 a friend got a identical specs Xeon
2017-09-07 19:29 <Tampa> xeons are just core with extra stuff
2017-09-07 19:30 <Ubit> we tested a few (naive) bechmarks.. and..  mine even did a bit better
2017-09-07 19:30 <Tampa> Like Golf GTI instead of regular
2017-09-07 19:30 <OtakuMegane> If you mean the low-end ones then yes, they're basically slightly better tested i7s.
2017-09-07 19:30 <Ubit> but nothing to mention
2017-09-07 19:30 <Ubit> well my i7 is a low end   3770k  so guess also his xeon :)
2017-09-07 19:30 <OtakuMegane> Get into the E5/E7 range and it's a different architecture with far more cores and multi-socket capabilities you'll never see in the Core class.
2017-09-07 19:31 <Ubit> and a price you never see on Core :p
2017-09-07 19:31 <OtakuMegane> Wait a couple gens. The prices tank in the used market.
2017-09-07 19:31 <Ubit> my i7 was a lot cheaper than his xeon
2017-09-07 19:32 <Ubit> ( to his frustration lol )
2017-09-07 19:32 <OtakuMegane> If all you need is 4-8 cores and don't need ECC memory then don't bother looking at Xeons.
2017-09-07 19:32 <OtakuMegane> It's when your core count gets into double digits or you need gobs of memory that they start to make sense.
2017-09-07 19:34 <Ubit> uff don't remember that law name :(
2017-09-07 19:34 <Ubit> Amdahls Law
2017-09-07 19:34 <Ubit> :)
2017-09-07 19:34 <Ubit> https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Estimating-CPU-Performance-using-Amdahls-Law-619/
2017-09-07 19:35 <Tampa> Stuffing simulators into cloud is not cost effective, all it does is reduce risk of resource abuse, that's what I have found so far. It works great for automating the processes though.
2017-09-07 19:35 <OtakuMegane> Also for now since the IPC has been almost stagnant since Sandy Bridge came out you can grab older Xeons off the used market for dirt cheap.
2017-09-07 19:36 <Ubit> ohh there are new Xeons
2017-09-07 19:36 <OtakuMegane> Yeah but Xeons get expensive as hell when new
2017-09-07 19:36 <OtakuMegane> Drop back a couple gens and they're super cheap once people are decomissioning the older servers
2017-09-07 19:37 <Tampa> Found a bladesystem the other day for 1400 with 16 dual xeon 32gb blades installed, only three years old
2017-09-07 19:37 <Tampa> New that was what 20k easy
2017-09-07 19:37 <Tampa> Its like they lose half their value once bought
2017-09-07 19:38 <Ubit> E7-8880V4
2017-09-07 19:38 <OtakuMegane> Basically. Xeons are mostly relevant to the server market and most companies will replace servers after about 3-4 years in favor of new.
2017-09-07 19:39 <Ubit> List Price:   $8,499.00  
2017-09-07 19:39 <OtakuMegane> So aside from individuals needing power on the cheap there's not much demand for the leftovers.
2017-09-07 19:39 <Ubit> Our Price:    $6,689.26  
2017-09-07 19:39 <Tampa> Thats when their warranties start to run out either that or management licenses
2017-09-07 19:39 <OtakuMegane> And you can grab them cheap.
2017-09-07 19:39 <Tampa> Only annoying thing is wattage, some of them draw enough to overload most home circuits
2017-09-07 19:40 <Tampa> oh and noise xD
2017-09-07 19:41 <OtakuMegane> Depends what you build exactly. My current main system is a 16-core Ivy Bridge set up. Draws only slightly more than my old i5 3570 did.
2017-09-07 19:41 <OtakuMegane> And considering it has double the memory and far more cores, a few watts is perfectly excusable.
2017-09-07 19:42 <Ubit> a i9-7980  2kusd
2017-09-07 19:42 <Ubit> estimated
2017-09-07 19:42 <Tampa> Max draw for my testsystem 4800W, thankfully it doesnt do that all the time
2017-09-07 19:42 <OtakuMegane> 480 or 4800? o.O
2017-09-07 19:43 <Tampa> Its a hp proliant dl580 quad socket xeon
2017-09-07 19:44 <Tampa> four 1200W psu in it
2017-09-07 19:44 <OtakuMegane> Ok, quad socket could easily be pulling a lot.
2017-09-07 19:45 <Tampa> This bladesystem has six 2250W psu installed
2017-09-07 19:45 <OtakuMegane> Those type of things are monsters meant for fairly specific applications. XD
2017-09-07 19:46 <Tampa> I still want to see what happens when running OpenSim on it, I'm curious xD
2017-09-07 19:46 <OtakuMegane> Not much unless you want to try running 100 separate instances or something.
2017-09-07 19:47 <Tampa> distributed scenegraph mega simulator for 1000 avatars
2017-09-07 19:49 <OtakuMegane> lol
2017-09-07 19:50 <Tampa> I'm actually putting DSG on my agenda since its a concept I feel worth exploring, maybe in a couple months I can get up updated and running
2017-09-07 19:52 <Ubit> not that good if all decide to be on same place :p
2017-09-07 19:55 <Tampa> I mainly want to see what happens when once instance goes down
2017-09-07 19:55 <Tampa> How bringing it back up works and so on
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2017-09-08 22:23 <djphil_> Ping diva_
2017-09-08 22:23 <djphil_> It is possible to show advanced menu and admin menu with OnLook ?
2017-09-08 22:26 <diva_> it should work like Singu
2017-09-08 22:28 <djphil_> With singu i have admin and advanced menu
2017-09-08 22:29 <djphil_> but i can't found it in OnLook
2017-09-08 22:29 <diva_> whatever keyboard shortcuts you use there should also work for OnLook
2017-09-08 22:29 <djphil_> and i try shortcut ctrl + alt + q but don't work
2017-09-08 22:29 <diva_> well that's only if your grid doesn't allow it
2017-09-08 22:30 <djphil_> ha maybee yes ...
2017-09-08 22:30 <djphil_> i test OnLook because i test the "Outworldz DreamWorld"
2017-09-08 22:31 <djphil_> maybee Outworldz DreamWorld block that ...
2017-09-08 22:32 <djphil_> but strange, i connect with FireStorm and i have menus advanced and admin ...
2017-09-08 22:33 <djphil_> which leads me to believe that it is not blocked on this simulator.
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2017-09-08 23:02 <djphil_> ok, i found, ouf!
2017-09-08 23:06 <djphil_> the shortcut isn't ctrl+alt+q but is ctrl+alt+d
2017-09-08 23:06 <diva_> ok
2017-09-09 02:15 <Tampa> Does building under 32bit still work?
2017-09-09 02:16 <nebadon> it should
2017-09-09 02:18 <Tampa> smartpoolthread is giving me not valid Win32 resource, do I need to flip something in prebuild?
2017-09-09 02:29 <Tampa> So Reactos being 32bit throws a few problems, but I can't even build on Win7 64bit o.O
2017-09-09 02:32 <nebadon> yea getting it working on Reactos is probably not going to end well
2017-09-09 02:33 <Tampa> Technically it should have all it needs, its surprisingly complete, but well 32bit is a bit of problem nowadays anyways
2017-09-09 02:33 <Tampa> Why I can't build on Win7 though that's rather odd
2017-09-09 02:35 <nebadon> you have all the  .net stuff installed, visual studio?
2017-09-09 02:37 <Tampa> .net 4.0 and vs2010
2017-09-09 02:39 <nebadon> hmm
2017-09-09 02:39 <nebadon> you might still need other versions
2017-09-09 02:40 <nebadon> vs2010 might be too old
2017-09-09 02:40 <nebadon> im not sure though
2017-09-09 02:40 <Tampa> Building using the bat files
2017-09-09 02:40 <nebadon> ok
2017-09-09 02:40 <nebadon> then should work
2017-09-09 02:41 <nebadon> is there error?
2017-09-09 02:41 <Tampa> namespace not found
2017-09-09 02:41 <Tampa> bout 20 of them
2017-09-09 02:41 <nebadon> was there error on runpreubuild?
2017-09-09 02:41 <nebadon> you type runprebuild then compile
2017-09-09 02:41 <nebadon> ?
2017-09-09 02:41 <nebadon> or maybe its just prebuild
2017-09-09 02:42 <nebadon> no its runprebuild.bat
2017-09-09 02:42 <nebadon> i mostly work in linux
2017-09-09 02:42 <nebadon> little rusty on windows hehe
2017-09-09 02:42 <Tampa> Usual match path not founds, other than that same result I get when building on jenkins
2017-09-09 02:43 <nebadon> jenkins with mono?
2017-09-09 02:43 <nebadon> or .net?
2017-09-09 02:43 <Tampa> mono
2017-09-09 02:43 <nebadon> that also fails?
2017-09-09 02:43 <Tampa> No that works fine
2017-09-09 02:43 <nebadon> ah ok
2017-09-09 02:43 <Tampa> First time building on windows usually only use linux
2017-09-09 02:43 <nebadon> yea
2017-09-09 02:45 <Tampa> Loading the sln its missing a lot of things so something in prebuild doesnt quite work as it should
2017-09-09 02:45 <nebadon> let me try
2017-09-09 02:48 <nebadon> so far its going well here
2017-09-09 02:48 <nebadon> compiling now
2017-09-09 02:48 <nebadon> did you get source code from git?
2017-09-09 02:48 <nebadon> it succesfully compile here
2017-09-09 02:48 <nebadon> im on Windows 10 though
2017-09-09 02:48 <nebadon> i dont have Windows 7 any more
2017-09-09 02:49 <Tampa> the sln is too new for vs2010 so I'm trying older targets
2017-09-09 02:50 <nebadon> yea website says use 2015
2017-09-09 02:50 <nebadon> the opensim wiki
2017-09-09 02:50 <nebadon> really though just typing runprebuild and then compile
2017-09-09 02:50 <nebadon> it should compile
2017-09-09 02:53 <Tampa> https://pastebin.com/u223fhsr Never seen so many warnings either
2017-09-09 02:54 <Tampa> Probably something obvious I am missing and I am just too tired to see it
2017-09-09 02:57 <nebadon> oh
2017-09-09 02:57 <nebadon> did you add a module?/
2017-09-09 02:57 <nebadon> ossearch
2017-09-09 02:58 <Plugh> Tampa: I just noticed the complaints are in the OpenSimSearch module. Which version of OpenSim are you building?
2017-09-09 02:58 <Plugh> 
ACTION waves to nebadon

2017-09-09 02:58 <Tampa> basically latest master with some stuff added
2017-09-09 02:59 <nebadon> its the "Stuff added"
2017-09-09 02:59 <nebadon> thats broken
2017-09-09 02:59 <nebadon> not opensim
2017-09-09 02:59 <Tampa> interesting
2017-09-09 03:00 <Tampa> Probably only compile on linux
2017-09-09 03:01 <Plugh> Tampa, make sure you have the right version of the OpenSimSearch module for the version of Open Simulator you are compiling.
2017-09-09 03:01 <Tampa> Time to branch :D
2017-09-09 03:02 <Plugh> The other quetion is where did you get the version of OpenSimSearch?
2017-09-09 03:02 <Tampa> Truthfully, I don't know
2017-09-09 03:03 <Plugh> The latest version that I've updated is available here -> https://github.com/kcozens/OpenSimSearch
2017-09-09 03:04 <Plugh> That is setup to build for OS 0.8.1 and later.
2017-09-09 03:06 <Plugh> I still need to check on some possible errors in the PHP side. There may be some issues I still have to address since the PHP code was updated to my PDO instead of mysql calls.
2017-09-09 03:06 <Plugh> I haven't worked on it for a while.
2017-09-09 03:07 <Plugh> I need to go afk for a while. bbl (maybe quite a bit later).
2017-09-09 03:07 <Tampa> It's the latest, but not that one, it does have edits, but who did them... ah well enough experimenting for today xD
2017-09-09 03:08 <Plugh> You should know where you got your code so you can go back there and get updates later on (if any are made available).
2017-09-09 03:09 <Tampa> Pretty sure its the same version just with edits since it stopped working at some point
2017-09-09 03:18 <nebadon> you can take the dlls fromm linux and drop them into windows
2017-09-09 03:21 <Tampa> True, I could also spend some time and make them compile natively
2017-09-09 03:21 <Tampa> Wouldn't hurt
2017-09-10 11:04 <osmantis> Bug #8239:04 Ilha fechada 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8239 ): O seguinte caso foi ENVIADO.
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2017-09-11 09:49 <osmantis> Bug #8239:04 Ilha fechada 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8239 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-09-11 19:35 <osmantis> Bug #8239:04 Ilha fechada 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8239 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-09-12 13:46 <djphil> I just testing osParcelSubdivise and i find that it is really very imprecise :s
2017-09-12 13:51 <djphil> the green prim is the desired size (25.6, 25.6, 0.0) and the red prim is the result with osParcelSubdivise (24.0, 24.0, 0.0).
2017-09-12 13:51 <djphil> 1.6 is lost :(
2017-09-12 13:51 <djphil> demo: https://imgur.com/24dc8e22-49fd-4fb1-a0b7-399eab98e446
2017-09-12 13:52 <djphil> oops : https://imgur.com/a/3nFp2
2017-09-12 13:53 <djphil> i'm just trying to create a perfect 10x10 region subdivision ...
2017-09-12 14:56 <Ubit> djphil, parcels size has low rez
2017-09-12 14:57 <Ubit> 4m if i remember well
2017-09-12 14:58 <djphil> what ?
2017-09-12 14:58 <djphil> what is "low rez 4m" ?
2017-09-12 14:58 <Ubit> parcels resolution is 4m
2017-09-12 14:59 <djphil> Hmmm
2017-09-12 14:59 <djphil> i compensate by adding 1.6 to size vale and that work ...
2017-09-12 15:00 <djphil> value*
2017-09-12 15:00 <djphil> but it is not normal to have to do this ...
2017-09-12 15:00 <Ubit> not normal to have what?
2017-09-12 15:00 <djphil> adding 1.6 to the desired pacrel size
2017-09-12 15:01 <Ubit> no idea where you got that
2017-09-12 15:01 <Ubit> it is 4m
2017-09-12 15:01 <djphil> for exemple, if i whant a parcel 25.6 x 25.6 i need to do parcel size 25.6 + 1.6 x 25.6 + 1.6
2017-09-12 15:02 <Ubit> you can't have a parcel 25.6 size
2017-09-12 15:02 <Ubit> either 24m or 28
2017-09-12 15:02 <djphil> i get it
2017-09-12 15:03 <djphil> i verified and is now 25.6
2017-09-12 15:04 <djphil> if i don't add 1.6 then the parcel is 24 x 24, you are right
2017-09-12 15:05 <Ubit> must edges be at multiples of 4m
2017-09-12 15:06 <djphil> no way to improve that ?
2017-09-12 15:06 <Ubit> and it is allocated in 16m^2 blocks ( 4x4 )
2017-09-12 15:18 <djphil> TerrainMeshMagnification is available with ubODE ?
2017-09-12 15:20 <Ubit> no
2017-09-12 15:21 <Ubit> whatever that means
2017-09-12 15:21 <Ubit> ( and neither on large regions with bullet, it that is what i think it is )
2017-09-12 15:24 <djphil> i see in the comment you can create terrain with 512x512 heighfield resolution
2017-09-12 15:24 <Ubit> terrain resolution is fixed at 1m
2017-09-12 15:25 <Ubit> except possible on bullet for small regions.. but standard is 1m
2017-09-12 15:25 <djphil> I was thinking of trying to improve the resolution of the normal terrain by replacing it with a mesh terrain with resolve 2 or more
2017-09-12 15:25 <Ubit> viewers also only get 1m spaced points
2017-09-12 15:25 <djphil> and then subdivise ...
2017-09-12 15:25 <Ubit> no real gain on that
2017-09-12 15:25 <djphil> hmmm i see :(
2017-09-12 15:26 <djphil> that very imprecise
2017-09-12 15:26 <Ubit> only physics would have a bit more resolution
2017-09-12 15:26 <Ubit> but it is wrong
2017-09-12 15:27 <Ubit> bc  we only strore internally  points that are not the same viewers realy see
2017-09-12 15:27 <Ubit> bc terrain is sent compressed
2017-09-12 15:27 <Ubit> well almost loss less
2017-09-12 15:28 <Ubit> damm remade that compress code several times and don't remember if its lossless or not
2017-09-12 15:28 <Ubit> lol
2017-09-12 15:28 <djphil> it is amazing not to be able to have a resolution of 0.1
2017-09-12 15:28 <Ubit> think there is some loss
2017-09-12 15:29 <Ubit> terrain is made for interaction with normal avatars
2017-09-12 15:29 <Ubit> so 0.1 is not that relevant
2017-09-12 15:29 <Ubit> you do see some mismatch
2017-09-12 15:30 <djphil> no really
2017-09-12 15:30 <Ubit> SL ( and so os) is not made as a generic simulator
2017-09-12 15:30 <Ubit> but tuned for a "normal" size social things
2017-09-12 15:30 <Ubit> tiny avatars for example, not considered
2017-09-12 15:31 <Ubit> and on terrain things are worse
2017-09-12 15:31 <Ubit> bc viewers do their own collisions btw avatar feet and terrain
2017-09-12 15:32 <Ubit> a mismatch btw server physics and viewer idea of terrain can create odd effects
2017-09-12 15:32 <Ubit> like avatars doing little jumps as they more
2017-09-12 15:32 <Ubit> move
2017-09-12 15:32 <Ubit> bahh
2017-09-12 15:33 <Ubit> so that option to use mesh on bullet.. well yeahh a idea.. just that
2017-09-12 15:33 <djphil> I find it hard to conceive that it is finally not possible to divide my ground into 100 (10x10) equal parts of 25.6x25.6
2017-09-12 15:34 <Ubit> its data structures sizes
2017-09-12 15:34 <Ubit> parcel info needs to be sent to viewers also
2017-09-12 15:34 <djphil> yeah :(
2017-09-12 15:34 <Ubit> the higher the res, more data
2017-09-12 15:35 <Ubit> and you realy don't need that res for parcels
2017-09-12 15:35 <djphil> yes, yes ... mesh is too more data etc ...
2017-09-12 15:35 <Ubit> well that mesh is only internaly
2017-09-12 15:36 <djphil> what happen with a high res avatar mesh and ground ?
2017-09-12 15:36 <Ubit> guess robert had the idea bullet would do better collisions with a mesh
2017-09-12 15:36 <Ubit> same thing
2017-09-12 15:36 <Ubit> that avatar res is only visual
2017-09-12 15:36 <Ubit> bounding boxes are the same ( or capsules )
2017-09-12 15:36 <djphil> you mean collision is with the bonding box ?
2017-09-12 15:36 <djphil> or capsule lol
2017-09-12 15:37 <Ubit> all its the same
2017-09-12 15:37 <djphil> ok i see
2017-09-12 15:37 <Ubit> well viewers have feet locations also
2017-09-12 15:37 <Ubit> but the avatar res is only the visual mesh, nothing else
2017-09-12 15:37 <djphil> i see
2017-09-12 15:39 <djphil> can you explain why when i add 1.6 i get the desired size ?
2017-09-12 15:40 <djphil> if i *
2017-09-12 15:40 <Ubit> i didn't look to yr math in detail :)
2017-09-12 15:40 <djphil> i juste add prim to see sizes
2017-09-12 15:41 <djphil> and compare with yellow parcel bondarys
2017-09-12 15:41 <djphil> boundary*
2017-09-12 15:42 <djphil> this gives me real size parcel desired
2017-09-12 15:42 <djphil> vector parcel_size = <25.6, 25.6, 0.0>;
2017-09-12 15:42 <djphil> float parcel_adjust = 1.6;
2017-09-12 15:43 <djphil> this isn't multiple of 4
2017-09-12 15:51 <djphil> arfff now it forces 24x24 all the time
2017-09-12 15:51 <djphil> I can not reach 25.6, even if I add 1.6
2017-09-12 15:51 <djphil> it's crazy that! (lol)
2017-09-12 15:59 <Ubit> where is that  parcel_adjust ??
2017-09-12 16:00 <djphil> in my lsl script
2017-09-12 16:01 <Ubit> ok then fix it acording to the fact that resolution is 4m
2017-09-12 16:01 <djphil> yeah, that i know ^^
2017-09-12 16:02 <djphil> i just compare the prim size and the yellow line (parcel boundary)
2017-09-12 16:05 <Ubit> :)
2017-09-12 16:08 <djphil> :p
2017-09-12 16:10 <Ubit> dj when you have the time ( not urgent ) can you compile ode on the _TEST folder on that older linux?
2017-09-12 16:11 <Ubit> httptests branch now uses that, and is not compatible with normal ubode
2017-09-12 16:11 <djphil> i don't have linux machine
2017-09-12 16:11 <Ubit> oh?
2017-09-12 16:11 <djphil> lol
2017-09-12 16:12 <djphil> i use opensim at home with windows
2017-09-12 16:14 <Ubit> oops it was jak not you :p
2017-09-12 16:14 <djphil> hehe
2017-09-12 16:15 <djphil> i have old machine, maybee i can install debian or mint on it.
2017-09-12 16:15 <Ubit> mine all died
2017-09-12 16:15 <Ubit> hmm think i have a nec v20 working MB
2017-09-12 16:15 <Ubit> but think a 8088 clone does not run linux :p
2017-09-12 16:16 <Plugh> :)
2017-09-12 16:17 <djphil> that old :p
2017-09-12 16:17 <Plugh> If someone switch physics engines between BS and ubODE is it just a change to the ini file or should the regions also recompile scripts after the change is made?
2017-09-12 16:17 <djphil> and re upload proprely all meshs too ^^
2017-09-12 16:18 <Ubit> change the inis is enought for not Plugh
2017-09-12 16:18 <Plugh> ok, ty.
2017-09-12 16:18 <Ubit> and enough
2017-09-12 16:18 <djphil> switch physics = problem's
2017-09-12 16:18 <Ubit> what problems?
2017-09-12 16:19 <djphil> bad mesh
2017-09-12 16:19 <Ubit> i change them all the time
2017-09-12 16:19 <Ubit> you do remembr to change BOTH ubOde.. things right ?
2017-09-12 16:19 <djphil> in the paste, when i made change, i broken i bush of BS mesh
2017-09-12 16:20 <Ubit> there should be no broken things
2017-09-12 16:20 <Ubit> jsut of course each will do then their own way ( like the use of visual on bullet physics )
2017-09-12 16:20 <Plugh> Oh. I just remembered I also have to change the Meshmerizer setting when switching between the two.
2017-09-12 16:21 <Ubit> yes..  its 2 settings . still
2017-09-12 16:21 <Plugh> ok. 
2017-09-12 16:21 <djphil> there is, because with BS you can upload a mesh with option "Analyse" without having bad mesh or wring mesh (yhat work fine with BS)
2017-09-12 16:21 <Ubit> uff we should either merge both meshmerizers or make ubOde one internal to ubode
2017-09-12 16:22 <Ubit> NO NO NO
2017-09-12 16:22 <djphil> but isn't the same with ubODE
2017-09-12 16:22 <Ubit> there is no such a diference DJ
2017-09-12 16:22 <Ubit> ubOde will do meshs with analise also
2017-09-12 16:23 <Ubit> Analize issue is another thing..
2017-09-12 16:23 <djphil> all mesh (imported with BS (with "Analyse")) are broken ...
2017-09-12 16:23 <Ubit> more viewer side actually
2017-09-12 16:23 <Ubit> NO they are NOT
2017-09-12 16:23 <Ubit> unless they where from start
2017-09-12 16:24 <Ubit> and upload as nothing to do with the physics engine.. 
2017-09-12 16:24 <Ubit> ( only the use in world is diferent, not the upload process
2017-09-12 16:24 <djphil> maybee viewer side, i don't know ...
2017-09-12 16:25 <djphil> just see my mesh broken ...
2017-09-12 16:25 <Ubit> define broken
2017-09-12 16:25 <djphil> invisible
2017-09-12 16:25 <djphil> 0 size
2017-09-12 16:25 <djphil> red alert on console
2017-09-12 16:25 <Ubit> that as nothing to so with physics engines
2017-09-12 16:25 <Ubit> the upload did fail
2017-09-12 16:25 <Ubit> that is part of the problem
2017-09-12 16:26 <Ubit> viewers do fail doing it, sometimes with no error
2017-09-12 16:26 <djphil> yes i see
2017-09-12 16:26 <djphil> but that a problem
2017-09-12 16:26 <djphil> the result is 0 mesh on region
2017-09-12 16:27 <djphil> 0 = mesh broken
2017-09-12 16:27 <Ubit> bullet actually should like that option..  ubOde not that much..  but if viewers do it right, they should work on both
2017-09-12 16:27 <djphil> but it does not (at home)
2017-09-12 16:28 <djphil> maybee i need retest that
2017-09-12 16:28 <Ubit> well i did upload a few with analise and they to work fine
2017-09-12 16:28 <djphil> maybee you fix it
2017-09-12 16:28 <djphil> i made this test long time ago
2017-09-12 16:28 <Ubit> i do see little viewer  fails here and there..  on some.. but work
2017-09-12 16:29 <Ubit> now keep in mind analise is also a simplification.. it can for example close holes ( even without the option )
2017-09-12 16:29 <djphil> when i have a little time i will try a new test of this
2017-09-12 16:30 <Ubit> basicly analise is breaking a generic mesh on small ones that are convex
2017-09-12 16:30 <Ubit> so inerently a aproximation to the suplied mesh
2017-09-12 16:34 <Ubit> fs does have the option to display the upload physics part of the mesh
2017-09-12 16:34 <Ubit> ppl should always look to it after a upload.. to be sure its really ok
2017-09-12 16:35 <Ubit> ( and see with PRIM and CONVEX selections.. )
2017-09-12 16:35 <Ubit> just its very heavy on viewer, for some reason.. don't try to see tons of prims with that option :)
2017-09-12 16:36 <Ubit> ahh and for some odd reason, does not work with "normal" prims
2017-09-12 16:36 <Ubit> hmm think does display PRIM, not convex
2017-09-12 16:37 <Ubit> singu 1.8.6  gives a black screen on that :(
2017-09-12 16:38 <djphil> use FS :p
2017-09-12 16:38 <djphil> and ppl should not have to check :o
2017-09-12 16:39 <djphil> ppl should it also check import of each textures, each sounds? :o
2017-09-12 16:40 <djphil> it is a big constraint ...
2017-09-12 16:44 <Ubit> ppl need to check
2017-09-12 16:45 <Ubit> mesh fo give work.. and not "plug and pray" things
2017-09-12 16:45 <Ubit> do give...
2017-09-12 16:45 <Ubit> if you don't know about then, stick to normal prims
2017-09-12 16:46 <Ubit> SL did tried to make them easy... but the automatic tools aren't really up to the job
2017-09-12 16:46 <Ubit> ( like analise )
2017-09-12 16:47 <Ubit> and auto visual LODs also fail...
2017-09-12 16:49 <Ubit> and some need stuff was left auto..
2017-09-12 16:49 <Ubit> like lightmaps etc..
2017-09-12 16:49 <Ubit> needed to have light at resonable fps
2017-09-12 16:50 <Ubit> "left auto"??  yeack... left out !! :)
2017-09-12 16:51 <djphil> wow :o
2017-09-12 16:52 <Ubit> for some reason the "builders" model  of Space and Sansar are now diferent
2017-09-12 16:53 <djphil> yeah it use fxb files
2017-09-12 16:53 <djphil> no collada
2017-09-12 16:53 <Ubit> that is a meaningless detail :p
2017-09-12 16:54 <djphil> that for visuals
2017-09-12 16:54 <Ubit> it happens fbx was a closed proprietary standard  while collada is open
2017-09-12 16:54 <Ubit> details
2017-09-12 16:54 <Ubit> its who can build.. that changed
2017-09-12 16:55 <Ubit> FBX (Filmbox) is a proprietary file format (.fbx) developed by Kaydara and owned by Autodesk since 2006
2017-09-12 16:56 <djphil> fxb contains more information than collada file
2017-09-12 16:57 <Ubit> that we do not use...
2017-09-12 16:57 <djphil> yeah sure :p
2017-09-12 16:57 <Ubit> fbx was created for movies
2017-09-12 16:58 <Ubit> but that is a minor detail
2017-09-12 16:58 <djphil> yeah, i whant play movies on projection textures :p
2017-09-12 16:58 <Ubit> for now you just need to use blender or another converter
2017-09-12 16:58 <Ubit> that is not a fundamental issue..  ( as long there are converters..)
2017-09-12 16:59 <djphil> sure
2017-09-12 16:59 <Ubit> possible for us suport .blend would make sense :p
2017-09-12 16:59 <djphil> Hmmm :)
2017-09-12 16:59 <Ubit> hmm forget i sais that :P
2017-09-12 17:00 <Ubit> i said that :p
2017-09-12 17:00 <djphil> 
ACTION we can dream

2017-09-12 17:00 <Ubit> besides that is a viewer side thing..
2017-09-12 17:00 <Ubit> for now at least
2017-09-12 17:01 <Ubit> regions never see collada or anything like that
2017-09-12 17:01 <Ubit> only  SL mesh format
2017-09-12 17:01 <Ubit> that as no relation with those standards
2017-09-12 17:02 <Ubit> storing meshs in collada of fbx  would be funny for grid asset servers :p
2017-09-12 17:03 <Ubit> they aren't the most compact things.. specially collada
2017-09-12 17:03 <djphil> that the interest of SL Mesh format standardization
2017-09-12 17:04 <djphil> but then what about you mesh in SineSpace or Sansar?
2017-09-12 17:05 <Ubit> guess those to accept FBX or other standards on upload process
2017-09-12 17:05 <Ubit> those are then "cooked" before sending to user servers
2017-09-12 17:06 <Ubit> ie converted to a format  needed for DirectX,  openGl or webGL lower level thibgies
2017-09-12 17:06 <Ubit> and for the physics.. etc
2017-09-12 17:07 <Ubit> similar process..  other infrastructure and formats
2017-09-12 17:11 <Ubit> hmm seeing tampa movie about mesh upload :(
2017-09-12 17:11 <djphil> url ?
2017-09-12 17:11 <Ubit> he talks about collada... no no no..  has no relation with collada :(
2017-09-12 17:12 <Ubit> https://plus.google.com/u/0/100024084709537014786
2017-09-12 17:12 <djphil> ty
2017-09-12 17:13 <Ubit> well does show ppl that FS option.. that is nice, and not many know about
2017-09-12 17:13 <Ubit> ( just viewer my go into 0.1fps :p )
2017-09-12 17:14 <Ubit> ( .. may .. )
2017-09-12 18:08 <Plugh> Time for the weekly meeting in osgrid.
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2017-09-12 18:53 <jakdaniels> ubit.... it's broken.... permissions are all messed up, scripts like bootstrap are no longer rwxrwxr-x but are now just rw-rw-r--
2017-09-12 18:54 <jakdaniels> original build directory now missing files too
2017-09-12 18:54 <Ubit> windows do mess that up
2017-09-12 18:54 <Ubit> think its the bootstrap only
2017-09-12 18:54 <jakdaniels> and in ou and libccd directory too
2017-09-12 18:54 <Ubit> what files are missing?
2017-09-12 18:54 <jakdaniels> let me set x bit
2017-09-12 18:55 <jakdaniels> ./bootstrap is gone in original folder... should it still be there?
2017-09-12 18:55 <Ubit> i see it there
2017-09-12 18:55 <jakdaniels> ./configure doesn't work in original says missing files...
2017-09-12 18:55 <jakdaniels> ok... let me look again... I did a git pull... maybe should start again with clone
2017-09-12 18:55 <Ubit> what do you call original?
2017-09-12 18:56 <jakdaniels> ODE-OpenSim-0.13.2
2017-09-12 18:56 <Ubit> that is no longer there
2017-09-12 18:56 <Ubit> \opensim-libs\trunk\unmanaged\ODE-OpenSim-Current
2017-09-12 18:56 <jakdaniels> ah then git pull messed up bad the move to _test
2017-09-12 18:56 <jakdaniels> or current
2017-09-12 18:57 <Ubit> is the one used on master
2017-09-12 18:57 <Ubit> \opensim-libs\trunk\unmanaged\ODE-OpenSim-Test
2017-09-12 18:57 <Ubit> is the one used on httptests.. future on master
2017-09-12 18:57 <jakdaniels> building x64 version...
2017-09-12 18:58 <Ubit> ODE-OpenSim-0.13.2 was renamed as Current
2017-09-12 18:58 <Ubit> ( test is 0.13.3 )
2017-09-12 19:00 <Ubit> but yes..  my win does lose the +x everytime :(
2017-09-12 19:01 <Plugh> jakdaniels: What are you trying to build?
2017-09-12 19:02 <jakdaniels> building ubit's test ODE on GLIC2.12
2017-09-12 19:03 <jakdaniels> *GLIBC
2017-09-12 19:04 <Plugh> Stupid git program. I never understand how it can hit a merge conflict then simultaneously say there both is and isn't a merge problem.
2017-09-12 19:05 <Plugh> There is no merge in progress if you say "git merge --abort" but there is if you try and use "git reset". :P
2017-09-12 19:06 <Plugh> It is like one has entered the realm of quantum physics and the code is now the equivalent of Schroedinger's cat.
2017-09-12 19:07 <Ubit> well i did clone and compiled  ode TEST on linux..
2017-09-12 19:08 <Ubit> to actually test it :p
2017-09-12 19:09 <jakdaniels> I'll have some .so files for you in a bit Ubit. Have to update my build script now, but dinner's ready first
2017-09-12 19:10 <Ubit> no rush
2017-09-12 19:14 <Plugh> My copy of opensim-libs is in a state of flux as I was recovering some files that were deleted. The deleted files were related to the parsing of sripts. I was wanting to do some tests on that code.
2017-09-12 19:17 <Ubit> mb time to do a fresh clone? :p
2017-09-12 19:48 <jakdaniels> Ubit, I've built both _Current and _Test branches and stripped them too. Hooray for an automated build script! :) Pm'd you the link to get the .so files.
2017-09-12 19:53 <Ubit> thx :)
2017-09-12 19:53 <jakdaniels> If anyone wants my build script to make ODE libs easily on linux (Centos) it's here: https://pastebin.com/aL3G81p4
2017-09-12 19:57 <jakdaniels> I can set it to run on a cron job if you want ubit for automated building.... :) :)
2017-09-12 20:35 <Ubit> :)
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2017-09-12 23:47 <Plugh> Ubit, I'm trying to avoid losing some of the changes in the source tree. When I get in to a merge conflict the best thing is save a diff outside the source tree and do a hard reset.
2017-09-12 23:47 <Plugh> After that I can reappy my changes from the saved diff.
2017-09-12 23:47 <Plugh> reappy -> reapply
2017-09-12 23:53 <Ubit> well i haev my on disasters with git
2017-09-12 23:53 <Ubit> usuall run crying for melanie help :)
2017-09-12 23:54 <Ubit> .. have,,, own..
2017-09-13 00:02 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

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2017-09-14 01:17 <osmantis> Bug #8240:04 llSetObjectName() gets confused with more than 63 characters and sets object name to empty string 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8240 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-09-14 02:39 <osmantis> Bug #8240:04 llSetObjectName() gets confused with more than 63 characters and sets object name to empty string 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8240 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-09-14 02:48 <osmantis> Bug #8240:04 llSetObjectName() gets confused with more than 63 characters and sets object name to empty string 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8240 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-09-14 04:48 <osmantis> Bug #8240:04 llSetObjectName() gets confused with more than 63 characters and sets object name to empty string 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8240 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-09-14 10:45 <osmantis> Bug #8240:04 llSetObjectName() gets confused with more than 63 characters and sets object name to empty string 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8240 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-09-14 16:08 <Plugh> Is the ODE physics engine still available for use in 0.9 if someone really wanted to try using it (ie. while updating scripts)?
2017-09-14 17:09 <ssm2017> Plugh : they say that 'yes' here : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/0.9.0.0_Release#Known_issues
2017-09-14 17:10 <ssm2017> "The Physics engine ODE (the original one) is maintained for compatibility purposes only. Please avoid creating new content for it. Use it only if your region has a lot of content you can't upgrade now. "
2017-09-14 17:19 <Plugh> ssm2017: ok. I tried starting up a region using it and it complained about the ZeroMesher. I'll try it again as I discovered a problem with the code I was using.
2017-09-14 18:38 <Plugh> hm... Must be something about how I've set up this test grid. I set physics to ODE but it still comes up as BS.
2017-09-14 21:13 <Ubit> note that old ODE uses same Meshmerizer as bullet
2017-09-14 21:38 <djphil_> Hi Ubit, i found z altitude is different with osTeleportObject and PRIM_POSITION
2017-09-14 21:38 <djphil_> here is my test script https://pastebin.com/2PWjfwEg
2017-09-14 21:39 <Ubit> hmmm ?
2017-09-14 21:40 <djphil_> Test the script
2017-09-14 21:40 <djphil_> the final z pose is !=
2017-09-14 21:40 <Ubit> it is a TP not a position set
2017-09-14 21:41 <djphil_> the second param is "vector targetPos"
2017-09-14 21:42 <djphil_> i use it to move a prim with a big move
2017-09-14 21:42 <Ubit> yes but on TPs z may change
2017-09-14 21:43 <djphil_> llSetPos and PRIM_POSITION have limitation
2017-09-14 21:43 <djphil_> A PRIM_POSITION pose z can change too
2017-09-14 21:43 <Ubit> we do not prims underground :p
2017-09-14 21:43 <Ubit> do not like
2017-09-14 21:43 <djphil_> llGround(ZERO_VECTOR) don't give same result with osTeleportObject
2017-09-14 21:44 <Ubit> of course not
2017-09-14 21:44 <djphil_> prim at z = 0 isn't undeground ... :p
2017-09-14 21:44 <Ubit> that is not z=0
2017-09-14 21:44 <Ubit> its z at current location
2017-09-14 21:44 <djphil_> true with teleport
2017-09-14 21:44 <Ubit> that is not z at target location
2017-09-14 21:44 <djphil_> but not with PRIM_POSITION
2017-09-14 21:45 <djphil_> test with script i give :)
2017-09-14 21:45 <djphil_> and you see the difference ...
2017-09-14 21:45 <Ubit> as i said,  tp is not as prim_pos
2017-09-14 21:46 <Ubit> may look and give identical result on local tp.. 
2017-09-14 21:46 <Ubit> but logic is tp logic..
2017-09-14 21:46 <djphil_> kk
2017-09-14 21:47 <Ubit> and as i said llGround(ZERO_VECTOR) is z where the prim is
2017-09-14 21:47 <djphil_> yes
2017-09-14 21:48 <Ubit> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlGround
2017-09-14 21:48 <djphil_> i know ;)
2017-09-14 21:48 <djphil_> remplace llGround with 20.5
2017-09-14 21:49 <djphil_> the result is same ...
2017-09-14 21:50 <djphil_> with a prim size 0.5x0.5x0.5 and TP, final z is 20.76 and with prim_position, final z is 20.5
2017-09-14 21:53 <Ubit> yeap  20.5 + 0.5 `/2
2017-09-14 21:53 <djphil_> yes
2017-09-14 21:56 <djphil_> the désired pose is 20.5 :p
2017-09-14 21:56 <djphil_> desired*
2017-09-14 21:59 <Ubit> no it is not
2017-09-14 22:00 <Ubit> its a physical object.. should not have gound inside it
2017-09-14 22:00 <Ubit> od can be
2017-09-14 22:00 <Ubit> or
2017-09-14 22:01 <Ubit> tp code does or should try to avoid interpenetrations on arrivel
2017-09-14 22:01 <djphil_> osTeleport turn object to physic ? :o
2017-09-14 22:01 <Ubit> unlike prim_position
2017-09-14 22:02 <djphil_> ha ...
2017-09-14 22:02 <Ubit> as rex does
2017-09-14 22:02 <Ubit> rez
2017-09-14 22:02 <djphil_> kk
2017-09-14 22:02 <djphil_> good to know
2017-09-14 22:03 <djphil_> ty
2017-09-14 22:03 <Ubit> it does not turn physics on, but i made it thinking about vehicles
2017-09-14 22:03 <djphil_> ha ok
2017-09-14 22:04 <Ubit> and if you rez a physical prim inside ground, it may  hit ISS
2017-09-14 22:04 <Ubit> or the moon :p
2017-09-14 22:05 <djphil_> he is going to leave in the air ^^
2017-09-14 22:06 <Ubit> not by yr numbers
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2017-09-15 23:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #5804 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-09-15 23:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5804: SUCCESS in 8 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5804/
2017-09-15 23:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: bug fix. Increase the values of profileHollow and profileBegin used to match pbs number of faces and the Mesh number of faces. The small values i used before seem to be randomly lost.
2017-09-15 23:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #5805 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-09-15 23:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5805: SUCCESS in 5 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5805/
2017-09-15 23:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: double request.ReadWriteTimeout
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2017-09-16 18:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #5806 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2017-09-16 18:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: bug fix: Of course i had to pick a wrong number for profileBegin
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2017-09-17 10:43 <osmantis> Bug #8241:04 Extension definition for returning invalidparentfolderid error in inventoryfolder 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8241 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-09-17 10:43 <osmantis> Bug #8241:04 Extension definition for returning invalidparentfolderid error when accessing inventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8241 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-09-17 15:39 <Plugh> Is Diva WiFi available and working for OpenSim 0.9?
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2017-09-17 16:04 <Ubit> yeap think so
2017-09-17 16:19 <Plugh> Seems I'm not the only one who hasn't been able to make it work in 0.9
2017-09-17 16:20 <Ubit> download page as also a full package
2017-09-17 16:20 <Ubit> and think some did told me it is working
2017-09-17 16:20 <Ubit> but can't personaly tell
2017-09-17 16:22 <Plugh> I'll start with a full copy of diva with OpenSim if I have to but I want to be able to use my own copy of OS as I may be making custom changes to the source.
2017-09-17 17:57 <Plugh> I can't get WiFi to work with 0.9  :P  I may have to wait until there is an official 0.9 release of it.
2017-09-17 17:58 <Ubit> there is a 0.9 official release of it 
2017-09-17 17:58 <Plugh> As soon as I set the storage provider to use the Diva version of mysql it just throws red text.
2017-09-17 17:59 <Plugh> Not that I have seen.
2017-09-17 17:59 <smxy> I have it working on 0.9.0.0 Dev
2017-09-17 17:59 <Plugh> I did download something mentioning 0.9 but it didn't work either.
2017-09-17 17:59 <Ubit> yeah age does that to eyes :p
2017-09-17 18:00 <Plugh> smxy: What file(s) did you get? Did you have to compile it or was it binary? What set of instructions did you use to install it?
2017-09-17 18:00 <Plugh> Ubit: I've had problems with the (lack) of documentation for it before.
2017-09-17 18:00 <JeffKelley> http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/diva-addons/wifi-and-other-diva-addons/
2017-09-17 18:00 <smxy> It's a mono addin. I.e., you get a binary from her repo, install it, configure it, etc.
2017-09-17 18:00 <smxy> Using the mono addin commands.
2017-09-17 18:01 <smxy> She details what to do.
2017-09-17 18:01 <Plugh> JeffKelley: The first thing that page indicates is it is for 0.8 
2017-09-17 18:02 <smxy> I do run a separate Robust instance, just for it, however, so that as Dev Master progress and breaks it, I just don't update that Robust again, until the next release when she updates it again.
2017-09-17 18:02 <Ubit> http://metaverseink.com/Downloads.html
2017-09-17 18:02 <Plugh> Ubit, that's what I've been using. It didn't work
2017-09-17 18:02 <Ubit> well it does say 0.9
2017-09-17 18:03 <Plugh> It is supposed to be simple but it always takes me days to get it to work in a different release of OS.
2017-09-17 18:03 <smxy> The mono addin works for me. *shrug* Been using and updating it for at least a couple of years.
2017-09-17 18:03 <Ubit> well u need ask diva then
2017-09-17 18:04 <smxy> I even have a for-pay module for it installed.
2017-09-17 18:04 <Plugh> She doesn't support it unless I can point to an error or confusing information in the documentation.
2017-09-17 18:04 <smxy> Then either figure it out or use something else.
2017-09-17 18:06 <JeffKelley> this is a 0.9dev with wifi installed according to Diva's instructions: http://176.31.57.178:8002/
2017-09-17 18:19 <Plugh> from the Downloads link diva-r09000.zip is a full copy of OS with WiFI in it. In the WiFi section it states wifi has been discontinued as of 0.8.1 yet there is the wifi-09000.zip file.
2017-09-17 18:19 <Plugh> the wifi zip has a file that says it is not complete.
2017-09-17 18:23 <Plugh> The d2 wiki says the binaries can be found here (the Downloads page) but there is no d2 zip file there.
2017-09-17 18:25 <Plugh> The installation instructions linked to from the d2 wiki page are completely different from what you do with 0.8.2
2017-09-17 18:42 <smxy> To my knowledge, Wifi is only supported as a mono addin module, for Robusts that are not part of Diva's Distribution.
2017-09-17 19:00 <osmantis> Bug #8240:04 llSetObjectName() gets confused with more than 63 characters and sets object name to empty string 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8240 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-09-17 19:02 <osmantis> Bug #8240:04 llSetObjectName() gets confused with more than 63 characters and sets object name to empty string 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8240 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2017-09-19 04:18 <velus> hey all is anyone up atm? 
2017-09-19 14:21 <osmantis> Bug #8242:04 'Smoke' texture missing from default assets 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8242 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-09-19 14:37 <osmantis> Bug #8242:04 'Smoke' texture missing from default assets 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8242 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-09-19 16:08 <osmantis> Bug #8242:04 'Smoke' texture missing from default assets 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8242 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-09-19 17:51 <BillBlight> projet secret now a clone of lbsa?
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2017-09-20 01:01 <osmantis> Bug #8242:04 'Smoke' texture missing from default assets 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8242 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-09-20 13:12 <osmantis> Bug #8232:04 Updated BulletSim dylib for macOS (OS X) Universal build 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8232 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-09-21 04:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #5807 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-09-21 04:09 <Ubit> grrrr damm vs in c++
2017-09-21 04:09 <Ubit> changing a inline function on a file does not update all uses now and then
2017-09-21 04:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5807: FAILURE in 8 min 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5807/
2017-09-21 04:15 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: update MacOS version of libBulletSim to latest version.
2017-09-21 04:16 <misterblue> is that build really a failure because I updated the dynlibs?
2017-09-21 04:19 <Ubit> seems jenkins confused
2017-09-21 04:19 <Ubit> see no error
2017-09-21 04:21 <misterblue> I don't see one either... seems to think one of the tests had a failure but it's not listed
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2017-09-21 21:03 <osmantis> Bug #8242:04 'Smoke' texture missing from default assets 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8242 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-09-21 21:18 <osmantis> Bug #8242:04 'Smoke' texture missing from default assets 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8242 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-09-21 22:30 <velus> hey all what is most important about a server for opensim is it the ram or the processor?
2017-09-21 22:38 <Ubit> both :(
2017-09-21 22:38 <Ubit> opensim is both a server and a simulator
2017-09-21 22:39 <Ubit> if regions use is more social only, processor maybe a bit less demanding ( physics part )
2017-09-21 22:40 <Ubit> well processor is still need to convert protocols things etc
2017-09-21 22:41 <Ubit> do not expect a 23cores 1GHZ xeon do do great..
2017-09-21 22:41 <Ubit> err 24cores
2017-09-21 22:41 <Ubit> ( thats a good data mover.. not processor )
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2017-09-21 22:56 <BillBlight> Funny thing about Opensimulator, it actually seems to run better on my 16 core Opteron at 2ghz than it does on some of my Xeons at 2.4ghz
2017-09-21 22:57 <Ubit> well that is diferent silicon
2017-09-21 22:57 <BillBlight> and it also does not have the HyperThreading crap
2017-09-21 23:30 <Tampa> 64GB memory at anything above 2000mhz, 8 core 16 threads at anything above 3ghz, more cores if needed. Normal metric 2-4GB of memory per simulator, usually never more than 1 full core of use.
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2017-09-22 07:01 <osmantis> Bug #8242:04 'Smoke' texture missing from default assets 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8242 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-09-22 08:04 <osmantis> Bug #8242:04 'Smoke' texture missing from default assets 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8242 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-09-22 09:35 <ssm2017> hello, do you know the x,y limit for the worldmap ?
2017-09-22 09:39 <nebadon> 65535 i think
2017-09-22 09:39 <nebadon> you may have some trouble above like 10k range though
2017-09-22 09:40 <nebadon> but for like standalones its probably ok
2017-09-22 09:40 <nebadon> grids i wouldnt recommend starting in the high end
2017-09-22 10:05 <ssm2017> JeffKelley told me that he has found the limit as : 2147483647
2017-09-22 10:08 <nebadon> techincally opensim probably only has a limit of what the field can store as INT16 or something
2017-09-22 10:08 <nebadon> before it overflows
2017-09-22 10:08 <nebadon> the viewer however
2017-09-22 10:08 <nebadon> is where you will have trouble
2017-09-22 10:08 <nebadon> not the viewer
2017-09-22 10:08 <nebadon> err not the erver
2017-09-22 10:08 <nebadon> server* gah cant type
2017-09-22 10:11 <ssm2017> ok, thank you nebadon for investigation, i can see in my robust db that locX field is int(10) so here is the limit :)
2017-09-22 10:15 <nebadon> teleporting becomes problematic
2017-09-22 10:15 <nebadon> because of how it combines the source and destination ids or something
2017-09-22 10:15 <nebadon> once you get past 65k it also hits some kind of overflow I think
2017-09-22 10:16 <nebadon> so you might be able to log directly in
2017-09-22 10:16 <nebadon> but things like teleport and hypergrid break down
2017-09-22 10:20 <ssm2017> ok, i will then limit to 65k first and see the behavior, thank you nebadon 
2017-09-22 10:25 <nebadon> you will never need more than that
2017-09-22 10:25 <nebadon> unless you think you need 4.3 million regions
2017-09-22 10:25 <nebadon> err billion?
2017-09-22 10:25 <nebadon> i dunno its a lot
2017-09-22 10:26 <nebadon> im not sure there is enough computer hardware on earth to run that many opensim regions
2017-09-22 10:33 <ssm2017> :)
2017-09-22 10:33 <ssm2017> i just would like to create a script to get free regions slots so i would like to know the limits to search for registered regions
2017-09-22 17:17 <OtakuMegane> ssm2017: The technical limit of Opensim is 8388607 (~ maxint / 256). However 65535 is the practical limit because the viewer map and teleports won't target past that.
2017-09-22 17:18 <OtakuMegane> I actually have a region on OSGrid at the outer limits. The only way on or off is direct login and some viewers just plain crash trying to do that.
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2017-09-24 18:45 <JeffKelley> AllowedCompilers gone from OpenSim.ini, does this means C# scripting is ruled out ?
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2017-09-25 22:52 <colosi> Has anyone run into any problems with the MySQL connector for OpenSim 0.9 on Windows?
2017-09-25 22:52 <colosi> I have a customer who is getting an error that the OpenSim.Data.MySql method ExecuteNonQuery can’t be found
2017-09-25 22:53 <colosi> Sounds like a linking error or a library compatibility error, but I haven’t been able to track it down yet.
2017-09-25 22:54 <colosi> And I don’t know of anyone else running 0.9 who has run into this.
2017-09-25 22:55 <Ubit> don't know either
2017-09-25 22:55 <Ubit> no other reports of that, so far
2017-09-25 22:56 <Ubit> well and knowing what table etc would help
2017-09-25 22:56 <Tampa> Can you pastebin the entire error?
2017-09-25 22:57 <Ubit> btw im not looking to code now :(
2017-09-25 23:01 <colosi> I’ll grab the error.  The table is one of the Gloebit tables.  It’s coming from the Gloebit Money Module.
2017-09-25 23:03 <Ubit> fear we can't help much on that, since it is your code :(
2017-09-25 23:15 <colosi> Well, it uses the GenericMySqlTableHandler
2017-09-25 23:15 <colosi> But, I figured you guys might have some ideas or be aware of an issue.
2017-09-25 23:15 <Ubit> sure
2017-09-25 23:16 <Tampa> Without the full error and some info on the environment it's a bit hard to debug
2017-09-25 23:17 <Tampa> Older mysql versions may not play well with OpenSim, I have ran into that issue myself
2017-09-25 23:18 <colosi> https://pastebin.com/YUWDnJP5
2017-09-25 23:19 <colosi> He said hes runing 6.9.9 version of MySQL Connector/Net
2017-09-25 23:19 <colosi> Which is pretty recent
2017-09-25 23:21 <colosi> Method not found: 'Int32 OpenSim.Data.MySQL.MySqlFramework.ExecuteNonQuery(MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlCommand)'
2017-09-25 23:23 <Ubit>        protected int ExecuteNonQuery(MySqlCommand cmd)
2017-09-25 23:24 <Ubit> protected..
2017-09-25 23:25 <Tampa> There should be at least another method for NonQueries in there
2017-09-25 23:26 <Ubit> well dont know.. im looking to something else now at RL :(
2017-09-25 23:29 <colosi> Cool
2017-09-25 23:30 <colosi> The GMM hasn’t changed with regards to MySQL, so unless this was recently made protected, that’s not the problem.  And I’m not aware of anyone else having an issue with 0.9.0
2017-09-25 23:31 <colosi> Though I’m also not sure if anyone else is running it from a Windows machine.
2017-09-25 23:35 <colosi> verified.  That line hasn’t been changed since 2009, so it’s been protected for a long time and works fine.
2017-09-25 23:42 <Tampa> What's the actual database version?
2017-09-25 23:49 <colosi> What do you mean Tampa?
2017-09-25 23:49 <Tampa> You have a database connector and a database server, latest for server is 5.7 I believe the connector 6.10
2017-09-25 23:50 <Tampa> If connector and server are mismatched the methods may not register properly
2017-09-25 23:50 <Tampa> In some cases it may even be too new, that happens from time to time with the dependencies
2017-09-25 23:50 <colosi> So if he’s running connector 6.9, he may have to go back to an older version?
2017-09-25 23:52 <Tampa> If he is running the latest connector, but followed some other tutorial suggesting older versions of server, OpenSim only really needs 5.1 from what I remember, so vastly different versions might not harmonize there
2017-09-25 23:52 <colosi> He said hes running 5.7 of the server
2017-09-25 23:53 <Tampa> So latest all around then
2017-09-25 23:53 <colosi> yes.
2017-09-25 23:53 <colosi> Should I have him try an older version of the connector?
2017-09-25 23:54 <Tampa> I have only ever used server 5.5 with the appropriate connector so that may be worth a try
2017-09-25 23:54 <Ubit> did he install 0.9 on a clean folder?
2017-09-25 23:54 <colosi> He said he did
2017-09-25 23:54 <Tampa> If you can, spin up a machine to test though before bricking any databases
2017-09-25 23:54 <colosi> So, I might have him try backing the server down to 5.5.  What version of the connector with that?
2017-09-25 23:55 <colosi> Stepping out.  Be back in a few.  Thanks.
2017-09-25 23:55 <Tampa> No idea honestly
2017-09-25 23:55 <Ubit> the one we proviide should cover those
2017-09-25 23:56 <Tampa> I would attempt to reproduce the issue in a more stale environment before attempting any of that
2017-09-25 23:56 <Tampa> See if it really is related to that first before fiddling with such integral parts
2017-09-25 23:56 <Ubit> did you compile the module on win ?
2017-09-25 23:57 <Ubit> or linux ?
2017-09-25 23:58 <Tampa> Normally shouldn't be a big deal, but as obscure as this is it may be possible
2017-09-26 00:46 <colosi> Good point Ubit.  I compiled it on Linux.  That could be the issue and is a better place to start.
2017-09-26 00:46 <colosi> I’ll work on getting a Windows build environment set up.
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2017-09-27 12:28 <Tampa> So I just received a group notice from a group I am not part of, from a grid I have never been to nor anyone has ever visited from
2017-09-27 12:34 <Tampa> How would that even??? I am so confused now
2017-09-27 12:48 <Tampa> So because the uuid is the same as a local group and a user with that group is currently logged in receiving HG group notices the local group with the overlapping uuid receives the notices too
2017-09-27 12:50 <Tampa> That's pretty comical, probably should delete this group heh
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2017-09-28 00:08 <smxy> Oh, for a while there, my Shaun Emerald avatar in Sanctuary, was getting my SL Shaun Emerald's off-line messages. Because the viewer was pointing at SL ...
2017-09-28 00:08 <smxy> That was a long time ago, though.
2017-09-28 01:06 <nebadon> yea I am not sure what they did, but I can tell you 100% what he describes could absolutely never happen naturally
2017-09-28 01:07 <nebadon> the chances of multiple uuids collisions happening is like one in a trillion
2017-09-28 01:07 <nebadon> probably vastly higher than that
2017-09-28 01:29 <BillBlight> Leave it to Tampa to find the one in a Trillion  problem .....
2017-09-28 01:30 <nebadon> im pretty sure they must have manually assigned the same uuids
2017-09-28 01:30 <nebadon> its literally impossible for it to happen on its own
2017-09-28 01:30 <nebadon> it would be like winning every lottery in the United States at the same time
2017-09-28 01:31 <BillBlight> Well Tampa seems to fine "issues" that no one else has ever seen or even cares about ... LOL
2017-09-28 01:31 <BillBlight> *find
2017-09-28 01:40 <BillBlight> 16 avatars and frame rates are in the tank ... Everyones complexity is around 300k .. at an event on the "Mother Grid" and this is the kind of crap people want to bring to Opensimulator ...
2017-09-28 01:40 <BillBlight> oops that was in the wrong window
2017-09-28 20:41 <BOAN[N]> best, litte question what is the string legnht what i cen send with remote admin message ?
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2017-09-29 13:45 <osmantis> Bug #8243:04 Feature request: key osGetProfilePic(key kAvatar) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8243 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-09-29 15:39 <osmantis> Bug #8243:04 Feature request: key osGetProfilePic(key kAvatar) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8243 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-09-29 15:50 <osmantis> Bug #8243:04 Feature request: key osGetProfilePic(key kAvatar) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8243 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-09-29 17:17 <osmantis> Bug #8243:04 Feature request: key osGetProfilePic(key kAvatar) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8243 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2017-10-01 17:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #5808 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5806 14 days ago)
2017-10-01 17:07 <Ubit> ohh we are still on that fail  from the bullet libs update
2017-10-01 17:13 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2017-10-01 17:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5808: FIXED in 9 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5808/
2017-10-01 17:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: bug fix: add missing stub for osSetInertia
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2017-10-01 19:21 <misterblue> it's a miracle
2017-10-01 19:21 <Ubit> yeap
2017-10-01 19:21 <Ubit> jenkins things...
2017-10-01 20:26 <Cochineal> hi
2017-10-01 20:27 <Cochineal> can i guys ask somethink about opensim.
2017-10-01 20:28 <Cochineal> if somebody avaible to :/
2017-10-01 20:29 <Ubit> rule here is that you ask.. if someone sees and knows, answers 
2017-10-01 20:29 <Cochineal> 0key =)
2017-10-01 20:30 <Cochineal> First sorry about my bad english. I did create my own grid everythink works fine people can join in. and i have 10 estate(island) on this server but i want to connect 10 more estates(islands) from remote server. if its possible? i didnt find any documantecion about it
2017-10-01 20:31 <Ubit> if you did setup a grid, yes
2017-10-01 20:31 <Cochineal> yes its grid
2017-10-01 20:31 <Cochineal> works with mysql
2017-10-01 20:31 <Cochineal> but any documantaion about it?
2017-10-01 20:32 <Ubit> grid == robust server
2017-10-01 20:32 <Cochineal> i know
2017-10-01 20:33 <Ubit> then just setup another region server setting things to connect to that grid
2017-10-01 20:34 <Cochineal> i did. and i setting it up to all remote mysql settings and everthink. it connected to my grid. i only run on remote server opensim.exe and works fine i can connect this server from my viewer but both opensim.exes dont works together
2017-10-01 20:35 <Cochineal> when i connect to server i cant teleport another regions estates.
2017-10-01 20:35 <Cochineal> only works 1 of them opensim.exe (i mean)
2017-10-01 20:36 <Tampa> Is there an error on the console?
2017-10-01 20:37 <Cochineal> Exception on teleport of batu batu from <123.8122, 128.4695, 25.77929>@test to <132.3991, 119.3951, 25.77929>@deneme: Der Objektverweis wurde nicht auf eine Objektinstanz festgelegt.   bei OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.Framework.EntityTransfer.EntityTransferModule.Fail(ScenePresence sp, GridRegion finalDestination, Boolean logout, String auth_code, String reason)
2017-10-01 20:37 <Cochineal>    bei OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.Framework.EntityTransfer.EntityTransferModule.TransferAgent_V2(ScenePresence sp, AgentCircuitData agentCircuit, GridRegion reg, GridRegion finalDestination, IPEndPoint endPoint, UInt32 teleportFlags, Boolean OutSideViewRange, EntityTransferContext ctx, String& reason)
2017-10-01 20:37 <Cochineal>    bei OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.Framework.EntityTransfer.EntityTransferModule.DoTeleportInternal(ScenePresence sp, GridRegion reg, GridRegion finalDestination, Vector3 position, Vector3 lookAt, UInt32 teleportFlags)
2017-10-01 20:37 <Cochineal>    bei OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.Framework.EntityTransfer.EntityTransferModule.TeleportAgentToDifferentRegion(ScenePresence sp, UInt64 regionHandle, Vector3 position, Vector3 lookAt, UInt32 teleportFlags, GridRegion& finalDestination)
2017-10-01 20:37 <Cochineal>    bei OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.Framework.EntityTransfer.EntityTransferModule.Teleport(ScenePresence sp, UInt64 regionHandle, Vector3 position, Vector3 lookAt, UInt32 teleportFlags)
2017-10-01 20:37 <Cochineal> this is from remote server
2017-10-01 20:40 <Cochineal> now i close the opensim.exe from remote server. and i open it again. no errors everythinkk looks fine.
2017-10-01 20:41 <Cochineal> im on viewer i can see on ctrl + m the remote estate
2017-10-01 20:41 <Cochineal> i try to teleport there
2017-10-01 20:41 <Cochineal> and gettin error:
2017-10-01 20:42 <Cochineal> expection on teleport of test test from 
2017-10-01 20:42 <Ubit> check region ips etc
2017-10-01 20:42 <Cochineal> now i see on remote server another error
2017-10-01 20:43 <Tampa> Which version of OpenSim is thig?
2017-10-01 20:43 <Cochineal> its says ignoring connect request
2017-10-01 20:43 <Tampa> 9.0 or 8.2 ?
2017-10-01 20:43 <Cochineal> 9.0
2017-10-01 20:44 <Cochineal> ignoring connection request for <codes> to test with unknow curcuit code 65144392 from IP: [ipadress]
2017-10-01 20:46 <Cochineal> when i start opensim.exe on remote server everythink looks fine but only one code is red[error]:
2017-10-01 20:46 <Cochineal> 22:45:59 - [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE]: Cannot add parcel "Your Parcel", local ID 2 at tile 0,0 because this is still occupied by parcel "Your Parcel", local ID 1 in test
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2017-10-01 20:53 <Cochineal> 22:52:50 - [LLUDPSERVER]: Handling UseCircuitCode request for circuit 1476740240 to test from IP IP:2642
2017-10-01 20:53 <Cochineal> 22:52:50 - [LLUDPSERVER]: Ignoring connection request for 639a664b-3e66-4091-9aad-51abfc91a001 to test with unknown circuit code 1476740240 from IP IP:2642
2017-10-01 20:54 <Cochineal> i would like to open that port nummer from my remote server but this port nummer always changing?
2017-10-01 21:00 <Cochineal> is there any explanation about how to have second server for esates? i cant find anythink about it internet
2017-10-01 21:00 <Cochineal> all done all setting by my self
2017-10-01 21:00 <Cochineal> i did somethink wrong anywhere for sure :/
2017-10-01 21:01 <Tampa> You need to switch certain services to the remote connectors if it is no longer a local machine look into the gridhypergrid.ini for the Modules section
2017-10-01 21:03 <Cochineal> okey i ll try now
2017-10-01 21:11 <Cochineal> same error should i open ports 50000 to 59999
2017-10-01 21:11 <Cochineal> im gonna try 
2017-10-01 21:20 <Cochineal> no still same problem ignoring connection request for
2017-10-01 21:21 <Cochineal> i have error on teleported server: ignoring econnection request
2017-10-01 21:21 <Cochineal> and from where to out teleported :
2017-10-01 21:21 <Cochineal> 23:19:55 - [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: Exception on teleport of batu batu from <127.552, 123.0202, 25.69879>@test to <147.2763, 123.6536, 25.69879>@deneme: Der Objektverweis wurde nicht auf eine Objektinstanz festgelegt.   bei OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.Framework.EntityTransfer.EntityTransferModule.Fail(ScenePresence sp, GridRegion finalDestination, Boolean logout, String auth_code, String 
2017-10-01 21:21 <Cochineal> reason)
2017-10-01 21:21 <Cochineal>    bei OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.Framework.EntityTransfer.EntityTransferModule.TransferAgent_V2(ScenePresence sp, AgentCircuitData agentCircuit, GridRegion reg, GridRegion finalDestination, IPEndPoint endPoint, UInt32 teleportFlags, Boolean OutSideViewRange, EntityTransferContext ctx, String& reason)
2017-10-01 21:21 <Cochineal>    bei OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.Framework.EntityTransfer.EntityTransferModule.DoTeleportInternal(ScenePresence sp, GridRegion reg, GridRegion finalDestination, Vector3 position, Vector3 lookAt, UInt32 teleportFlags)
2017-10-01 21:21 <Cochineal>    bei OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.Framework.EntityTransfer.EntityTransferModule.TeleportAgentToDifferentRegion(ScenePresence sp, UInt64 regionHandle, Vector3 position, Vector3 lookAt, UInt32 teleportFlags, GridRegion& finalDestination)
2017-10-01 21:21 <Cochineal>    bei OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.Framework.EntityTransfer.EntityTransferModule.Teleport(ScenePresence sp, UInt64 regionHandle, Vector3 position, Vector3 lookAt, UInt32 teleportFlags)
2017-10-01 21:25 <Cochineal> any video or text about it? how to configurate? :/
2017-10-01 21:49 <Cochineal> wow
2017-10-01 21:49 <Cochineal> i made it =)
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2017-10-01 22:24 <Cochineal> another problem.
2017-10-01 22:24 <Cochineal> when i upload a image from remote estate server 
2017-10-01 22:24 <Cochineal> they all gray :(
2017-10-01 23:25 <Ubit> nahh yr just color blind now
2017-10-01 23:25 <Ubit> :p
2017-10-01 23:34 <Cochineal> :D
2017-10-01 23:34 <Tampa> Util STP threadfunc 1816 terminated XD
2017-10-01 23:42 <Ubit> ohh no .. the 1816!!!
2017-10-01 23:42 <Tampa> I broke em all lol
2017-10-01 23:43 <Ubit> dunno..  but that was a nice STP thread
2017-10-01 23:43 <Ubit> even number etc
2017-10-01 23:43 <Ubit> don't kill the 1818 !!
2017-10-01 23:49 <Tampa> So removing pushterrain results in reallllly long teleports
2017-10-01 23:49 <Tampa> thread errors gone
2017-10-01 23:50 <Tampa> nice
2017-10-01 23:51 <Tampa> damn patches back though grrr
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2017-10-02 14:10 <NickyP> pbs.org
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2017-10-03 01:57 <osmantis> Bug #8245:04 BulletSim - "Object reference not set to an instance of an object"; Frozen simulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8245 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2017-10-04 20:29 <Cochineal> Hi can someone tell me how to use mono on centos -.-
2017-10-04 20:29 <Cochineal> when i close the ssh i cant login anymore to region
2017-10-04 20:30 <Cochineal> how can i close mono and go back consol 
2017-10-04 20:30 <Cochineal> how can i see running mono´s and how to close them open them :) ty
2017-10-04 20:36 <BillBlight> Look at how to  use screen, you have to use something like the screen program to allow the instance to run in the background ..  Anything you start in an ssh console, that is not a daemon, will close when you close the ssh connection unless it is made to run in the background.
2017-10-04 20:37 <Cochineal> hmm ok ty i ll look at it.
2017-10-04 20:37 <Cochineal> One more question OpenSim more stable on Windows server or Linux Server?
2017-10-04 20:37 <BillBlight> That depends on who you ask ..
2017-10-04 20:38 <Cochineal> =)
2017-10-04 20:38 <Cochineal> if i ask you?
2017-10-04 20:40 <BillBlight> I run my entire grid on ubuntu , with the exception that I keep a windows server around for testing ..
2017-10-04 20:40 <Cochineal> 0k ty
2017-10-04 20:46 <Cochineal> wow on centos with mono works well i just did stress test handle it well 
2017-10-04 20:47 <Cochineal> with windows same test i get crash opensim.exe just closed
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2017-10-05 15:21 <osmantis> Bug #8246:04 Proposal - "delete object name" command should not be able to delete/remove attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8246 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-10-05 15:22 <osmantis> Bug #8246:04 Proposal - "delete object name" command should not be able to delete/remove attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8246 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2017-10-05 20:18 <Cochineal> Hi have a problem with group module v2. Its works fine on grid server but on region server i cant create groups i cant see them 
2017-10-05 20:19 <Cochineal> settins:
2017-10-05 20:19 <Cochineal> Enabled = true
2017-10-05 20:19 <Cochineal> Module = "Groups Module V2"
2017-10-05 20:19 <Cochineal> ServicesConnectorModule = "Groups HG Service Connector"
2017-10-05 20:19 <Cochineal> LocalService = remote
2017-10-05 20:19 <Cochineal> GroupsServerURI = http://IP:8002
2017-10-05 20:19 <Cochineal> HomeURI = http://IP:9005
2017-10-05 20:19 <Cochineal> MessagingEnabled = true
2017-10-05 20:19 <Cochineal> MessagingModule = "Groups Messaging Module V2"
2017-10-05 20:19 <Cochineal> what im doing wrong
2017-10-05 20:19 <Cochineal> I try everythink
2017-10-05 20:35 <djphil_> Cochineal, have you set "GroupsServiceConnector" on Robust ini ?
2017-10-05 20:36 <Cochineal> on robust server yes
2017-10-05 20:36 <Cochineal> but on region server no
2017-10-05 20:37 <Cochineal> im not even starting robust.exe on region server
2017-10-05 20:38 <djphil_> for grid you must start one robust and multiples instance of opensim
2017-10-05 20:38 <Cochineal> i have 2 server
2017-10-05 20:38 <djphil_> ok
2017-10-05 20:38 <Cochineal> on 1.server im runing robust.exe and opensim.exe
2017-10-05 20:38 <Cochineal> on 2.server im runing just opensim.exe
2017-10-05 20:39 <djphil_> but by "region server" you mean region attached to the gridor a standalone hg
2017-10-05 20:39 <Cochineal> yes
2017-10-05 20:39 <Cochineal> region atteckhed to grid
2017-10-05 20:39 <Cochineal> works everyhink fine 
2017-10-05 20:39 <djphil_> ok
2017-10-05 20:39 <Cochineal> but no groups :/
2017-10-05 20:39 <Cochineal> on grid server i have robust.ini GroupsServiceConnector = "8003/OpenSim.Addons.Groups.dll:GroupsServiceRobustConnector"
2017-10-05 20:39 <Cochineal> i set this
2017-10-05 20:40 <djphil_> you use OS 0.8.x or 0.9.x ?
2017-10-05 20:40 <Cochineal> 0.9
2017-10-05 20:40 <Cochineal> on both server
2017-10-05 20:40 <djphil_> ok
2017-10-05 20:40 <Cochineal> but one server linux one windows
2017-10-05 20:41 <Cochineal> it doesnt make problem? or?
2017-10-05 20:41 <djphil_> you can use ${Const|PrivatePort} then
2017-10-05 20:41 <djphil_> like this
2017-10-05 20:41 <djphil_> "${Const|PrivatePort}/OpenSim.Addons.Groups.dll:GroupsServiceRobustConnector"
2017-10-05 20:41 <Cochineal> let me try quick
2017-10-05 20:41 <djphil_> that not solve your problem for sure
2017-10-05 20:41 <djphil_> it's optionnal ...
2017-10-05 20:43 <djphil_> and you set the group for region server on OpenSim.ini or OpenSimDefault.ini ?
2017-10-05 20:44 <Cochineal> OpenSim.ini 
2017-10-05 20:44 <djphil_> ok that fine
2017-10-05 20:45 <Cochineal> user profiles grid uploads everyhink works fine on region server
2017-10-05 20:45 <Cochineal> but groups i think i did everythink :|
2017-10-05 20:45 <Cochineal> nothing solved the problem
2017-10-05 20:45 <djphil_> can you verify in database if you see groups tables ?
2017-10-05 20:45 <Cochineal> yes
2017-10-05 20:45 <Cochineal> i check it works fine
2017-10-05 20:46 <Cochineal> on robust server have a opensim.exe runing on this region
2017-10-05 20:46 <Cochineal> groups works fine
2017-10-05 20:47 <djphil_> Hmmm
2017-10-05 20:48 <Cochineal> GroupsServerURI = http://IP:8002
2017-10-05 20:48 <Cochineal> sould i use port 8002 or 8003? maybe its the problem
2017-10-05 20:48 <Cochineal> im using 8002 let me try 8003
2017-10-05 20:49 <djphil_> private port
2017-10-05 20:49 <djphil_> 8003
2017-10-05 20:50 <djphil_> you can use ${Const too, like this
2017-10-05 20:50 <djphil_> "${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PrivatePort}"
2017-10-05 20:50 <Cochineal> hmm im gonna try after 8003
2017-10-05 20:50 <Cochineal> yes 8003 worked
2017-10-05 20:51 <Cochineal> thank you =)
2017-10-05 20:51 <djphil_> cool :) yw
2017-10-05 20:51 <Cochineal> Have one more question
2017-10-05 20:52 <Cochineal> i did open tags on
2017-10-05 20:52 <Cochineal>  MessagingEnabled = true
2017-10-05 20:52 <Cochineal> MessagingModule = "Groups Messaging Module V2"
2017-10-05 20:52 <Cochineal> but i cant use chat
2017-10-05 20:52 <Cochineal> why it can be :/
2017-10-05 20:53 <Cochineal> getting error on viewer : Unable to start a new chat session with test the session initialization is timed out
2017-10-05 20:53 <djphil_> Hmmm ...
2017-10-05 20:53 <djphil_> that maybee a hypergrid issue, i don't know
2017-10-05 20:54 <Cochineal> should i do anythink on robust.ini for group chat
2017-10-05 20:54 <djphil_> i have no set a grid HG for long time ago, i can't test :s
2017-10-05 20:54 <Cochineal> i have own grid and hypergriddin to my grid
2017-10-05 21:02 <Cochineal> sorry i mean not hypergriddin to my grid having second region servers. 
2017-10-05 21:32 <osmantis> Bug #8246:04 Proposal - "delete object name" command should not be able to delete/remove attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8246 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-05 22:08 <Cochineal> on region server if i send a offline IM
2017-10-05 22:08 <Cochineal> its works fine
2017-10-05 22:08 <Cochineal> IM sending but
2017-10-05 22:08 <Cochineal> getting error on console
2017-10-05 22:08 <Cochineal>  LocateUser call failed System.Exception: [USER AGENT CONNECTOR]: locate_user call to http://87.128.95.125:8002 returned an error: Requested method [locate_user] not found
2017-10-05 22:08 <Cochineal>   at OpenSim.Services.Connectors.Hypergrid.UserAgentServiceConnector.CallServer (System.String methodName, System.Collections.Hashtable hash) [0x00075] in <8562ddd5c8f74370b0c6f1631089b53f>:0
2017-10-05 22:08 <Cochineal>   at OpenSim.Services.Connectors.Hypergrid.UserAgentServiceConnector.LocateUser (OpenMetaverse.UUID userID) [0x00018] in <8562ddd5c8f74370b0c6f1631089b53f>:0
2017-10-05 22:08 <Cochineal>   at OpenSim.Services.HypergridService.HGInstantMessageService.TrySendInstantMessage (OpenSim.Framework.GridInstantMessage im, System.Object previousLocation, System.Boolean firstTime, System.Boolean foreigner) [0x0012d] in <5cfbc0847e9845d58392cf803d949c1e>:0
2017-10-05 22:08 <Cochineal> is it normal
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2017-10-06 00:52 <osmantis> Bug #8246:04 Proposal - "delete object name" command should not be able to delete/remove attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8246 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-06 01:42 <Ubit> damm
2017-10-06 01:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #5809 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2017-10-06 01:48 <osmantis> Bug #8246:04 Proposal - "delete object name" command should not be able to delete/remove attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8246 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-06 01:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5809: SUCCESS in 8 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5809/
2017-10-06 01:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  mantis 8246: don't allow 'delete object name' to delete attachments, but allow delete object id, with confirmation
2017-10-06 01:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #5810 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-10-06 01:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5810: SUCCESS in 5 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5810/
2017-10-06 01:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove a dead line of code
2017-10-06 07:30 <osmantis> Bug #8246:04 Proposal - "delete object name" command should not be able to delete/remove attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8246 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-06 07:30 <osmantis> Bug #8246:04 Proposal - "delete object name" command should not be able to delete/remove attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8246 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2017-10-06 22:14 <Cochineal> Hi
2017-10-06 22:15 <Cochineal> On Robust and region servers offline im works fine but when im on region server estate and sending offline im gettin this error(but ofim works fine):
2017-10-06 22:15 <Cochineal> LocateUser call failed System.Exception: [USER AGENT CONNECTOR]: locate_user call to http://87.128.95.125:8002 returned an error: Requested method [locate_user] not found
2017-10-06 22:15 <Cochineal>   at OpenSim.Services.Connectors.Hypergrid.UserAgentServiceConnector.CallServer (System.String methodName, System.Collections.Hashtable hash) [0x00075] in <8562ddd5c8f74370b0c6f1631089b53f>:0
2017-10-06 22:15 <Cochineal>   at OpenSim.Services.Connectors.Hypergrid.UserAgentServiceConnector.LocateUser (OpenMetaverse.UUID userID) [0x00018] in <8562ddd5c8f74370b0c6f1631089b53f>:0
2017-10-06 22:15 <Cochineal>   at OpenSim.Services.HypergridService.HGInstantMessageService.TrySendInstantMessage (OpenSim.Framework.GridInstantMessage im, System.Object previousLocation, System.Boolean firstTime, System.Boolean foreigner) [0x0012d] in <5cfbc0847e9845d58392cf803d949c1e>:0
2017-10-06 22:15 <Cochineal> is this bad why im getting it?
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2017-10-07 17:09 <Plugh> For those of you who remember 0.8.2 I would like to know if DEBUG level messages such as "OpenSim.Framework.Util Run threadfunc 313 (Queued 110, Running 300)" are considered "normal? I'm seeing lots of them start just after "OpenSim.Framework.Monitoring.Watchdog [WATCHDOG]: Started tracking thread Heartbeat"
2017-10-07 17:11 <Plugh> A short time after all those debug messages I get a lot of "OpenSim.Framework.Util Exit threadfunc 393 (758 ms)" just before it starts to perform the initial script startup.
2017-10-07 17:12 <Plugh> I'm only seeing the messages in one region.
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2017-10-07 22:56 <Cochineal> hi which money module can i use?
2017-10-07 22:56 <Cochineal> for my grid
2017-10-07 22:57 <Tampa> Easiest to setup is Gloebit since it's just a dll and config you drop into the binary, the others require a money server be setup.
2017-10-07 22:58 <Cochineal> when i want to change server can i get backup from it? and use it on another server?
2017-10-07 22:58 <Cochineal> or it will make problem to me.
2017-10-07 22:59 <Tampa> Only needs the dll and config, rest is handled on their side
2017-10-07 22:59 <Cochineal> 0key ty
2017-10-07 22:59 <Cochineal> one more question is there any paypal module to work with it?
2017-10-07 23:04 <Cochineal> it charges %2 ? from every trancation?
2017-10-07 23:05 <Tampa> You can use paypal through Gloebit or you can build a vendor based on paypals api through lsl. The transaction fees Gloebit charges, part goes to them and one part goes to the application holder.
2017-10-07 23:05 <Tampa> Just email them if you have questions.
2017-10-07 23:06 <Cochineal> 0key thank you.
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2017-10-08 14:29 <Cochineal> hi i did install opensim.currency-0.8.2_1 DTL/NSL Money Server but im gettin error
2017-10-08 14:29 <Cochineal> 2017-10-08 16:27:06,557 ERROR - OpenSim.Grid.MoneyServer.MoneyServerBase [MONEY SERVER]: StartupSpecific: Fail to start HTTPS process
2017-10-08 14:29 <Cochineal> 2017-10-08 16:27:06,557 ERROR - OpenSim.Grid.MoneyServer.MoneyServerBase [MONEY SERVER]: StartupSpecific: Please Check Certificate File or Password. Exit
2017-10-08 14:29 <Cochineal> 2017-10-08 16:27:06,557 ERROR - OpenSim.Grid.MoneyServer.MoneyServerBase [MONEY SERVER]: StartupSpecific: System.Exception: [MONEY DB]: Error initialising MySql Database: System.Exception: [MONEY DB]: Connection error while using connection string [Server=localhost;Port=3306;Database=opensim_users;User ID=root;Password=;Pooling=false;] ---> MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlException: Unknown 
2017-10-08 14:29 <Cochineal> database 'opensim_users'
2017-10-08 14:29 <Cochineal>    bei MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlStream.ReadPacket()
2017-10-08 14:29 <Cochineal>    bei MySql.Data.MySqlClient.NativeDriver.AuthenticateNew()
2017-10-08 14:29 <Cochineal>    bei MySql.Data.MySqlClient.NativeDriver.Open()
2017-10-08 14:29 <Cochineal>    bei MySql.Data.MySqlClient.Driver.Open()
2017-10-08 14:29 <Cochineal>    bei MySql.Data.MySqlClient.Driver.Create(MySqlConnectionStringBuilder settings)
2017-10-08 14:29 <Cochineal>    bei MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlConnection.Open()
2017-10-08 14:29 <Cochineal>    bei OpenSim.Data.MySQL.MySQLMoneyDataWrapper.MySQLMoneyManager.Initialise(String connect)
2017-10-08 14:29 <Cochineal>    --- Ende der internen Ausnahmestapelüberwachung ---
2017-10-08 14:30 <Cochineal> 2017-10-08 16:27:06,557 ERROR - OpenSim.Grid.MoneyServer.MoneyServerBase [MONEY SERVER]: StartupSpecific: Fail to start HTTPS process
2017-10-08 14:30 <Cochineal> 2017-10-08 16:27:06,557 ERROR - OpenSim.Grid.MoneyServer.MoneyServerBase [MONEY SERVER]: StartupSpecific: Please Check Certificate File or Password. Exit
2017-10-08 14:30 <Cochineal> 2017-10-08 16:27:06,557 ERROR - OpenSim.Grid.MoneyServer.MoneyServerBase [MONEY SERVER]: StartupSpecific: System.Exception: [MONEY DB]: Error initialising MySql Database: System.Exception: [MONEY DB]: Connection error while using connection string [Server=localhost;Port=3306;Database=opensim_users;User ID=root;Password=;Pooling=false;] ---> MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlException: Unknown 
2017-10-08 14:30 <Cochineal> database 'opensim_users'
2017-10-08 14:33 <Cochineal> it just workt was a simple fail i didnt give it to right database name 
2017-10-08 14:33 <Cochineal> =)
2017-10-08 14:35 <Cochineal> sould it be localhost mysql server? or can i use remote mysql server? because on my server i my getting same error but this time im sure i did right database settings
2017-10-08 16:07 <Cochineal> im looking for money server alternatives :/ its makine me problem on 0.9.0
2017-10-08 16:26 <Plugh> The options are a PayPal money module, the DTL/NSL money module, or Gloebits. With Gloebits you would be using a money system run by other people.
2017-10-08 16:26 <Cochineal> Gloebits didnt like people runing my system i check on it 
2017-10-08 16:27 <Cochineal> im gonna look for paypal money module ty.
2017-10-08 16:27 <Plugh> The error you mentioned for DTL/NSL module sounds like you haven't installed it properly.
2017-10-08 16:28 <Plugh> You need to replace one of the modules that ships with OpenSim.
2017-10-08 16:28 <Plugh> bbl. lunch time.
2017-10-08 16:38 <Cochineal> is dtl/nsl money module works with opensim 0.9.0.0 or have to instlal it on opensim 0.8.2
2017-10-08 16:48 <BillBlight> The money server works for .9x they have a version on their page, it is in their main trunk ..  The problem with running your OWN money system is NOW you have all the legal responsibility, and open yourself to be sued , hope you have good insurance.
2017-10-08 17:09 <Cochineal> i dont want to sell money or so not gonna use it for real money - play money
2017-10-08 17:09 <Cochineal> i just want to have money system and give to every user 100.000 play money
2017-10-08 17:09 <Cochineal> and i want to ppl will earn money in game
2017-10-08 17:10 <Cochineal> from like working or camping.
2017-10-08 17:10 <BillBlight> Ahhh well in that case you are on the right track .. You should download DTL/NSL trunk and compile it into a .9x build ... It has worked fine for me ..  
2017-10-08 17:11 <BillBlight> I used DTL/NSL for my RPG system that has not been put on the back burner, until I get time to revisit it ..
2017-10-08 17:11 <Cochineal> i dont know how to compile :/ i am now just installing opensim 0.8.2 gonna try to work on it
2017-10-08 17:13 <Cochineal> every database for 0.9.0 can used for 0.8.2 too thats good.
2017-10-08 17:13 <Cochineal> now im gonna try to installl ntl dtl server
2017-10-08 17:22 <Cochineal> moneyserver.exe works and connects to database it sets by self sql files but:
2017-10-08 17:23 <Cochineal> getting message from console:
2017-10-08 17:23 <Cochineal> please wait for logins to be enabled on regions once scripts have started.
2017-10-08 17:24 <Cochineal> how its connecting to userdatabase? we are creating new database for moneyserver self
2017-10-08 17:38 <Cochineal> i know now how it works its looking from opensim.exe if user has a database on moneyserver if not creating a dtabase for user
2017-10-08 17:38 <Cochineal> and it worked for now =)
2017-10-08 17:41 <Cochineal> NEW QUESTION :) is helper script just for sending people money or working it for anythink else too?
2017-10-08 17:43 <Cochineal> wow thats a bug i think when i create a object for sale and with another avatar buying it it buys like forever until it dont have any money anymore
2017-10-08 17:54 <nebadon> helper script might facilitate buying selling land too
2017-10-08 19:48 <Cochineal> sould i just add    CurrencyServer = "https://jogrid.net:8008/"    EconomyModule = DTLNSLMoneyModule
2017-10-08 19:48 <Cochineal> settings on region serve
2017-10-08 19:48 <Cochineal> or i have to run moneyserver.exe on every region server
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2017-10-08 19:48 <Cochineal> too
2017-10-08 19:49 <BillBlight> You only need ONE money server
2017-10-08 19:49 <Cochineal> on grid server works fine but on region server it doesn work :(
2017-10-08 19:49 <Cochineal> i did edit opensim.ini
2017-10-08 19:50 <Cochineal> i open the port and set it firewall.
2017-10-08 19:50 <Cochineal> for port 8008
2017-10-08 19:51 <BillBlight> sounds like a configuration issue, you have to make sure all your grid info points correctly, and that the remote region can talk to the  money server
2017-10-08 19:52 <Cochineal> profiles groups everythink else works fine on remote region only money module not workin :|
2017-10-08 19:52 <Cochineal> do i need anythink else opensim.ini to editing
2017-10-08 19:52 <Cochineal> any dll or certificates should i run on region server
2017-10-08 19:53 <Cochineal> grid server on windows server and region server on linux server could it be problem?
2017-10-08 19:53 <BillBlight> did you setup the economy section in your opensim.ini?
2017-10-08 19:53 <Cochineal> yes
2017-10-08 19:53 <BillBlight> did you copy the money module to the region
2017-10-08 19:53 <BillBlight> it needs the money module
2017-10-08 19:53 <Cochineal> no :|
2017-10-08 19:54 <Cochineal> OpenSim.Modules.Currency.dll / OpenSim.Data.MySQL.MySQLMoneyDataWrapper.dll
2017-10-08 19:54 <Cochineal> this files should i copy to region bin/ file?
2017-10-08 19:55 <BillBlight> I think you only need the currency one,
2017-10-08 19:55 <Cochineal> going to try quick
2017-10-08 19:57 <Cochineal> stem.Boolean skipCheckThis, System.Boolean fillCache, System.Threading.StackCrawlMark& stackMark) [0x00027] in <6a05d6a7387545d8bde8b213e43dfeba>:0
2017-10-08 19:57 <Cochineal>   at System.Activator.CreateInstance (System.Type type, System.Boolean nonPublic) [0x00020] in <6a05d6a7387545d8bde8b213e43dfeba>:0
2017-10-08 19:57 <Cochineal>   at System.Activator.CreateInstance (System.Type type) [0x00000] in <6a05d6a7387545d8bde8b213e43dfeba>:0
2017-10-08 19:57 <Cochineal>   at OpenSim.ApplicationPlugins.RegionModulesController.RegionModulesControllerPlugin.Initialise (OpenSim.OpenSimBase openSim) [0x002ae] in <02821579844b49948db59d2af589fa69>:0
2017-10-08 19:57 <Cochineal>   at OpenSim.ApplicationPluginInitialiser.Initialise (OpenSim.Framework.IPlugin plugin) [0x00007] in <31b27fcdff2645e8bcaeac34013dd902>:0
2017-10-08 19:57 <Cochineal>   at OpenSim.Framework.PluginLoader`1[T].Load () [0x0014e] in <d914f5240bfd4a6588acff2e5fd303f5>:0
2017-10-08 19:57 <Cochineal>   at OpenSim.Framework.PluginLoader`1[T].Load (System.String extpoint) [0x00007] in <d914f5240bfd4a6588acff2e5fd303f5>:0
2017-10-08 19:57 <Cochineal>   at OpenSim.OpenSimBase.LoadPlugins () [0x0008e] in <31b27fcdff2645e8bcaeac34013dd902>:0
2017-10-08 19:57 <Cochineal>   at OpenSim.OpenSimBase.StartupSpecific () [0x0024f] in <31b27fcdff2645e8bcaeac34013dd902>:0
2017-10-08 19:57 <Cochineal>   at OpenSim.OpenSim.StartupSpecific () [0x00149] in <31b27fcdff2645e8bcaeac34013dd902>:0
2017-10-08 19:57 <Cochineal>   at OpenSim.Framework.Servers.BaseOpenSimServer.Startup () [0x0006a] in <7ea6de6430914ff29cf1ed38f17971da>:0
2017-10-08 19:57 <Cochineal> i get this error message
2017-10-08 19:58 <Cochineal> and mono opensim.exe closed it self
2017-10-08 19:58 <BillBlight> Most likely you are going to have to compile it, as the provided out of box module may not be compatible with current or even .8x post fixes
2017-10-08 19:58 <Cochineal> :|
2017-10-08 19:58 <BillBlight> you could try putting both the dlls in and see if that works
2017-10-08 19:58 <Cochineal> im gonna try quick
2017-10-08 19:59 <Cochineal> same error
2017-10-08 20:00 <BillBlight> yeah most likely going to have to compile it as it may be out of the box compiled with an older version of mono, or .NET and is just blowing up
2017-10-08 20:00 <Cochineal> hmm im not good with linux let me check internet i have latest version
2017-10-08 20:01 <BillBlight> Always learn your environment, before running any type of "server" software, that is just admin 101
2017-10-08 20:02 <BillBlight> not trying to sound like an ass, but Opensimulator is a lot more complicated that most  people think it is, it does not run like an iPhone ... LOL 
2017-10-08 20:03 <Cochineal> no you are right
2017-10-08 20:03 <Cochineal> working on it like 2 weeks 
2017-10-08 20:03 <Cochineal> all day long
2017-10-08 20:04 <BillBlight> If I were you I'd backup, learn to compile opensim from source, then learn to compile the money server from source, then start putting the pieces together ..
2017-10-08 20:04 <Cochineal> hmm
2017-10-08 20:04 <Cochineal> let me check it
2017-10-08 20:04 <BillBlight> I think in the long run will be less painful for you ..  Might be more painful to start , but once you know, you will always know ..
2017-10-08 20:05 <Cochineal> for now its works fine with remote mysql server with 6 different databases. with both operation system windows and linux. I did have integrate with user profiles groups. and i can intergrate web interfaces having no problem with all of it
2017-10-08 20:05 <Cochineal> but still amateur =)
2017-10-08 20:06 <BillBlight> why so many databases?
2017-10-08 20:06 <BillBlight> just curious
2017-10-08 20:06 <Cochineal> i hope one day my grid will be very big
2017-10-08 20:06 <Cochineal> than i will need much more servers.
2017-10-08 20:07 <Cochineal> i have to be sure it works fine with much databases
2017-10-08 20:07 <Cochineal> one day when i need im gonna have servers for every single database
2017-10-08 20:07 <Cochineal> one server gonna be run just 1 database
2017-10-08 20:07 <Cochineal> like robust or like assets
2017-10-08 20:07 <BillBlight> I higly doubt that ..
2017-10-08 20:08 <Cochineal> =)
2017-10-08 20:08 <Cochineal> i tryid backing all thinks up to
2017-10-08 20:08 <BillBlight> with a properly configured MySQL or MariaDB it can handle millions of transactions a second, and terrabytes of data, spliting them up only creates a backup management nightmare
2017-10-08 20:09 <Cochineal> when i have to change for better server i have to get all databases correctly 
2017-10-08 20:09 <Cochineal> it works to
2017-10-08 20:09 <Cochineal> hmm
2017-10-08 20:09 <Cochineal> i think im too much obbessed
2017-10-08 20:09 <Cochineal> everythink muss be perfect
2017-10-08 20:10 <Cochineal> and i have to know when i need it has to be work
2017-10-08 20:10 <Cochineal> from begginning
2017-10-08 20:10 <BillBlight> Your best bet is to keep your databases consolidated, and keep them mirrored and assets backed up .. So in a disaster situation , you can redirect to the backup server and not have to remap a bazillion databases
2017-10-08 20:11 <Cochineal> yes im working on it too have 1 server just for backing thinks up daily
2017-10-08 20:12 <Cochineal> its not working like mirrored but getting sql files daily and fs_assets file
2017-10-08 20:13 <BillBlight> For instance my grid, EVERYTHING is in one database, (I may split assets off later), that database is realtime replicated to two backup servers, fsassets file system and robust is synced in realtime to 2 other servers and also every 24 hours the system does a mysql dump to a backup .. So should my main server go down all I have to do is change DNS and my grid is back up and running on one 
2017-10-08 20:13 <BillBlight> of the backup servers ..
2017-10-08 20:14 <Cochineal> wow good system
2017-10-08 20:14 <Cochineal> can yu tell em which grid is your =) like to take a look
2017-10-08 20:15 <Cochineal> if its now problem.
2017-10-08 20:15 <BillBlight> grid.opensim.life:8002 ... In the middle of a re-design but it is up and running
2017-10-08 20:15 <Cochineal> =) 0key
2017-10-08 20:24 <Cochineal> i find the problem
2017-10-08 20:24 <Cochineal> on grid server im using 0.8.2 opensim version and money server 0.8.2
2017-10-08 20:25 <Cochineal> on region server opensim version was 0.9 and tryin to run 0.8.2 .dll file
2017-10-08 20:32 <BillBlight> yep that will do it
2017-10-08 20:52 <Cochineal> BillBlight how much do you have for runing 186 regions :)
2017-10-08 20:53 <Cochineal> RAM
2017-10-08 20:53 <Cochineal> i want to ask how much ram 
2017-10-08 21:09 <BillBlight> I have 7 servers that run the grid .. from 16gb to 64gb
2017-10-08 21:10 <Plugh> Cochineal: Helpers scripts are used when buying land and for checking on currency conversion when you state you want to buy currency.
2017-10-08 21:11 <Cochineal> how can i check if currency working i did set it up
2017-10-08 21:11 <Cochineal> how can i buy currency or send money to my avatar
2017-10-08 21:15 <BillBlight> You have to setup a banker avatar to purchase currency from, or you can just edit the db and give yourself a lot of money .. then pay another avatar .. and see if they get it ..
2017-10-08 21:16 <BillBlight> Normally with the money server purchasing , is done via php on a webserver, You can make a banker avatar that has a bazillion credits and use it to give others money ..
2017-10-08 21:21 <Cochineal> its working i can send money avatar to avatar or sell object
2017-10-08 21:21 <Cochineal> but i cant sell region 
2017-10-08 21:22 <Cochineal> i can sell but on buying page there is a error
2017-10-08 21:22 <Cochineal> on Robust.ini
2017-10-08 21:23 <Cochineal> economy = http://my-domain.com/money/helper
2017-10-08 21:23 <Cochineal> add set this too
2017-10-08 21:23 <Cochineal> and i did configrate config/config.php
2017-10-08 21:26 <nebadon> what is the error
2017-10-08 21:26 <nebadon> i assume you are  running it in apache? check the web server log too
2017-10-08 21:27 <Cochineal> There has been an error while fetching land buying information.
2017-10-08 21:28 <Cochineal> yes its apache but i dont know whichversion let me check
2017-10-08 21:28 <Cochineal> i have cpanel/whm on my server
2017-10-08 21:28 <nebadon> verison shouldnt matter so much
2017-10-08 21:28 <nebadon> but check the apache log
2017-10-08 21:28 <nebadon> it might show more reasons why its failing
2017-10-08 21:29 <Cochineal> 0k im checiking second.
2017-10-08 21:33 <Cochineal> [Sun Oct 08 15:16:00.523109 2017] [mpm_prefork:notice] [pid 47612] AH00163: Apache/2.4.27 (cPanel) OpenSSL/1.0.2k mod_bwlimited/1.4 configured -- resuming normal operations
2017-10-08 21:33 <Cochineal> [Sun Oct 08 15:16:00.523135 2017] [core:notice] [pid 47612] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/httpd'
2017-10-08 21:33 <Cochineal> [Sun Oct 08 15:24:16.167061 2017] [cgi:error] [pid 26685] (70014)End of file found: [client 158.85.81.116:44129] AH01225: Error reading request entity data
2017-10-08 21:33 <Cochineal> [Sun Oct 08 17:12:50.975234 2017] [mpm_prefork:notice] [pid 47612] AH00171: Graceful restart requested, doing restart
2017-10-08 21:33 <Cochineal> [Sun Oct 08 17:12:51.095359 2017] [ssl:warn] [pid 47612] AH01909: server.h0sted.com:443:0 server certificate does NOT include an ID which matches the server name
2017-10-08 21:33 <nebadon> heh
2017-10-08 21:34 <Cochineal> flooding :P
2017-10-08 21:34 <nebadon> use http://pastebin.com
2017-10-08 21:34 <nebadon> or something similar
2017-10-08 21:34 <nebadon> http://gist.github.com
2017-10-08 21:34 <nebadon> etc..
2017-10-08 21:34 <Cochineal> 0k
2017-10-08 21:36 <Cochineal> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7a8c0200275be165355dc6fe05dbc820
2017-10-08 21:37 <nebadon> nothing obvious I see
2017-10-08 21:37 <Cochineal> :/
2017-10-08 21:39 <Cochineal> my web server and grid server not on same server. Its can be problem?
2017-10-08 21:39 <nebadon> yes
2017-10-08 21:39 <nebadon> well
2017-10-08 21:39 <nebadon> it needs acccess to database
2017-10-08 21:39 <Cochineal> its accessing
2017-10-08 21:39 <nebadon> ok then shouldnt be an issue
2017-10-08 21:39 <Cochineal> it write by self sql files
2017-10-08 21:39 <Cochineal> :|
2017-10-08 21:40 <Cochineal> any money module works only problem cant buy regions 
2017-10-08 21:40 <nebadon> yea, must be configuration issue
2017-10-08 21:41 <nebadon> not sure where though
2017-10-08 21:42 <Cochineal> for helper-scripts i just add robust.ini file  economy = http://my-domain.com/money/helper
2017-10-08 21:42 <Cochineal> and configrate config/config.php
2017-10-08 21:42 <Cochineal> should i do anythink else :|
2017-10-08 21:42 <nebadon> did you restart regions/
2017-10-08 21:42 <Cochineal> yup
2017-10-08 21:42 <nebadon> hmm
2017-10-08 21:42 <nebadon> and you logged out?
2017-10-08 21:42 <nebadon> you didnt just teleport away?
2017-10-08 21:42 <Cochineal> i restart all off region server and robust
2017-10-08 21:42 <Cochineal> and money server
2017-10-08 21:42 <Cochineal> but im gonna do it again
2017-10-08 21:43 <nebadon> also
2017-10-08 21:43 <nebadon> you set it in the viewer connection stuff?
2017-10-08 21:43 <nebadon> i kind of remember that having to be done as well, but maybe im misremembering
2017-10-08 21:43 <nebadon> im looking now
2017-10-08 21:43 <Cochineal> 0k ty
2017-10-08 21:43 <danbanner> ya theres a get_grid_info 
2017-10-08 21:44 <nebadon> ok yea make sure the viewer is updating
2017-10-08 21:44 <nebadon> and getting the URL
2017-10-08 21:44 <nebadon> you set that stuff in robust.ini
2017-10-08 21:44 <danbanner> should have the proper helper uri
2017-10-08 21:44 <nebadon> but you might have to remove grid and readd it
2017-10-08 21:44 <nebadon> for it to update
2017-10-08 21:44 <nebadon> or manually add it yourself
2017-10-08 21:45 <nebadon> in the viewer grid manager that is
2017-10-08 21:46 <Cochineal> what are u mean with read it
2017-10-08 21:46 <Cochineal> i clear cache from viewer
2017-10-08 21:46 <nebadon> not enough
2017-10-08 21:46 <nebadon> go into Grid manager
2017-10-08 21:46 <nebadon> edit your grid connection
2017-10-08 21:46 <nebadon> look at advanced
2017-10-08 21:47 <nebadon> and make sure the HelperURL is set
2017-10-08 21:47 <Cochineal> u right i didnt check it
2017-10-08 21:47 <nebadon> if you added the grid connection before this was set in Robust.ini
2017-10-08 21:47 <nebadon> it will always remain missing
2017-10-08 21:47 <nebadon> unless  you manually add it, or remove your grid and readd it 
2017-10-08 21:53 <Cochineal> im getting login failied: service request failed
2017-10-08 21:53 <Cochineal> after delete from viewer grid 
2017-10-08 21:53 <Cochineal> and adding is again
2017-10-08 21:53 <nebadon> check for typos
2017-10-08 21:53 <nebadon> in Robust.ini
2017-10-08 21:53 <Cochineal> and it add by self helper link
2017-10-08 21:54 <nebadon> [GridInfoService]
2017-10-08 21:54 <nebadon> this section is the focus
2017-10-08 21:54 <nebadon> ok you are close then
2017-10-08 21:54 <nebadon> probably a typo is my guess
2017-10-08 21:55 <Cochineal> hmm
2017-10-08 21:55 <Cochineal> when i got ; economy = mylink.com/helper
2017-10-08 21:55 <Cochineal> than i can login in
2017-10-08 21:55 <Cochineal> when i delete ; tag and using helper cant login
2017-10-08 21:55 <Cochineal> request faild
2017-10-08 21:55 <nebadon> ok the must be something wrong there
2017-10-08 21:56 <nebadon> check apache log agaain
2017-10-08 21:56 <Cochineal> 0k
2017-10-08 21:56 <nebadon> if you can tail log in realtime as you log in
2017-10-08 21:56 <nebadon> always best
2017-10-08 21:56 <Cochineal> thats good because i clear my log file 
2017-10-08 21:57 <Cochineal> it muss be now updated log files
2017-10-08 21:57 <Cochineal> its empty
2017-10-08 21:57 <Cochineal> :|
2017-10-08 21:58 <nebadon> sure apache is running?
2017-10-08 21:59 <Cochineal> yes its my web server runing like 2 years
2017-10-08 21:59 <Cochineal> i have other web sites on it
2017-10-08 22:00 <nebadon> ok
2017-10-08 22:00 <nebadon> maybe try loading the php in web browser
2017-10-08 22:00 <Cochineal> which one
2017-10-08 22:00 <nebadon> the helper stuff
2017-10-08 22:00 <Cochineal> 0k
2017-10-08 22:00 <nebadon> see if it displays any error in browser
2017-10-08 22:00 <nebadon> should trigger apache log too
2017-10-08 22:01 <nebadon> also
2017-10-08 22:01 <nebadon> make sure you are looking at apache error log
2017-10-08 22:01 <nebadon> and not the normal log
2017-10-08 22:02 <Cochineal> ./usr/local/apache/logs/error_log
2017-10-08 22:02 <Cochineal> looking this oe
2017-10-08 22:02 <nebadon> yea
2017-10-08 22:04 <Cochineal> problem muss be somethink else i deactivate my money server still cant login thats somethink new for me never had problem with it
2017-10-08 22:04 <Cochineal> let me check quick
2017-10-08 22:11 <Cochineal> money server just did somethink to my grid :(
2017-10-08 22:11 <Cochineal> gettint on robust.exe login failed for user user reason: Service request failed:
2017-10-08 22:13 <Cochineal> im gonna clean install quick opensim files
2017-10-08 22:23 <Cochineal> i think there is a problem with my pc not with server :@
2017-10-08 22:24 <Cochineal> because when i try to delete on grid list
2017-10-08 22:24 <Cochineal> getting error now
2017-10-08 22:24 <Cochineal> and clean install cant connect too
2017-10-08 22:25 <Cochineal> im gonna restart my pc be back
2017-10-08 22:27 <Cochineal> no it wasnt my pc
2017-10-08 22:29 <Cochineal> im gonna clean my databases not sure whats wrong :@
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2017-10-08 22:34 <Cochineal> robust and opensim exe loading new databases waiting for it
2017-10-08 22:38 <Cochineal> im back thats why you sould have backup everyday :D 
2017-10-08 22:38 <Cochineal> im gonna clean install money server again
2017-10-08 22:45 <Cochineal> it worked i can send money and my avatar have 1000$ now time to set helper-scripts again
2017-10-08 22:54 <Cochineal> no didnt work
2017-10-08 22:54 <Cochineal> :/
2017-10-08 23:09 <Cochineal> hmm i think i did somethink
2017-10-08 23:09 <Cochineal> but getting another error now
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2017-10-10 16:51 <osmantis> Bug #8247:04 Possible difference in way load oar and load iar upload assets reliably 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8247 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-10-10 18:03 <Plugh> hm... is there a problem in osgrid? I'm getting the message that logins are currently restricted.
2017-10-10 18:08 <Bill_Blight> I'm at projet secret
2017-10-10 18:09 <Plugh> I can't login to the grid.
2017-10-10 18:11 <Plugh> oh, well. No meeting for me today. I'll try again next week.
2017-10-10 18:14 <MarcusLlewellyn> yeah, I had to HG in.
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2017-10-10 18:52 <Bill_Blight> Nobody can log into OSGRID ,  issue?
2017-10-10 19:16 <osmantis> Bug #8247:04 Possible difference in way load oar and load iar upload assets reliably 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8247 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-10-11 07:26 <osmantis> Bug #8247:04 Possible difference in way load oar and load iar upload assets reliably 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8247 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-11 07:30 <osmantis> Bug #8247:04 Possible difference in way load oar and load iar upload assets reliably 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8247 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-11 07:43 <osmantis> Bug #8247:04 Possible difference in way load oar and load iar upload assets reliably 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8247 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-11 10:39 <osmantis> Bug #8247:04 Possible difference in way load oar and load iar upload assets reliably 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8247 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-10-11 14:41 <Plugh> Does the osMessageObject only send message to other objects in the same region?
2017-10-11 14:43 <djphil_> yeap
2017-10-11 14:44 <djphil_> no crossing :p
2017-10-11 14:45 <Plugh> ok. I suspected as much.
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2017-10-11 21:02 <Cochineal> hi i have problem with xmlrpc have xampp on server now for helper but on landtool.php i´m gettin Notice: Undefined variable: HTTP_RAW_POST_DATA in C:\xampp\htdocs\helper\landtool.php on line 193 error
2017-10-11 21:04 <Plugh> What version of PHP are you using?
2017-10-11 21:05 <Plugh> nm. Your PHP install probably has some global variable type setting disabled. Change that line to -> $request_xml = file_get_contents("php://input");
2017-10-11 21:06 <Plugh> That's the new preferred way to get the posted data.
2017-10-11 21:06 <Cochineal> PHP logo
2017-10-11 21:06 <Cochineal> PHP Version 7.1.9
2017-10-11 21:07 <Cochineal> im going to try it
2017-10-11 21:07 <Plugh> ok
2017-10-11 21:08 <Cochineal> which line sould i change
2017-10-11 21:08 <Cochineal> i dont even have $request_xml line
2017-10-11 21:08 <Cochineal> on my php.ini
2017-10-11 21:08 <Cochineal> sould i add your line anywhere
2017-10-11 21:09 <Plugh> You don't change anything in php.ini. That line I pasted is the replacement for line 193 in landtool.php
2017-10-11 21:10 <Cochineal> :o sorry now i get it =) doin it nwo
2017-10-11 21:10 <Plugh> ok
2017-10-11 21:11 <Cochineal> Fatal error: Uncaught Error: Call to undefined function xmlrpc_server_create() in C:\xampp\htdocs\helper\landtool.php:36
2017-10-11 21:11 <Cochineal> $xmlrpc_server = xmlrpc_server_create();
2017-10-11 21:11 <Cochineal> this line i have on there
2017-10-11 21:12 <Plugh> You also need to have the php-xmlrpc package installed for the version of PHP you are using. It may be called php7.0-xmlrpc in your case.
2017-10-11 21:13 <Cochineal> extension=php_xmlrpc.dll i have no ; tag there muss to be work :/
2017-10-11 21:14 <Cochineal> before i get http_raw_post error i get this xmlrpc_server_create error and i did delete ; tag from php.ini then i get the raw post error but now im gettinng xmlrpc error again :|
2017-10-11 21:14 <Cochineal> is there any alternative to xampp? that not make problem with xmlrpc.
2017-10-11 21:15 <Plugh> You are on Windows?
2017-10-11 21:15 <Cochineal> yes
2017-10-11 21:15 <Cochineal> i got cpanel / whm web server but helper didnt work on it. 
2017-10-11 21:16 <Cochineal> now im tryin it first local server where i run opensim
2017-10-11 21:16 <Cochineal> grids
2017-10-11 21:16 <Cochineal> and be sure what im doing wrong.
2017-10-11 21:16 <Bill_Blight> the old helper scripts may not work on php7 at all
2017-10-11 21:16 <Bill_Blight> they use old DB calls that are no longer supported in php7 I believe ..
2017-10-11 21:17 <Cochineal> hmm
2017-10-11 21:17 <Plugh> You can use phpinfo() to check what PHP modules you have available. I think you are missing php_xmlrpc.
2017-10-11 21:17 <Bill_Blight> I'd agree plugh
2017-10-11 21:17 <Cochineal> http://87.128.95.125:8888/dashboard/phpinfo.php
2017-10-11 21:17 <Bill_Blight> but may run into other problems with an old landtool
2017-10-11 21:17 <Plugh> Bill_Blight: The main problem with PHP7 and the old helper scripts is if they use any mysql calls.
2017-10-11 21:18 <Cochineal> im going to try money server helper scripts
2017-10-11 21:18 <Plugh> Hm... yes, it does. mysql_* calls were removed as of php 7. You need to change the mysql.php file to use mysqli_* or PDO calls.
2017-10-11 21:18 <Cochineal> on local machine
2017-10-11 21:18 <Cochineal> maybe it will work?
2017-10-11 21:19 <Cochineal> om going to change
2017-10-11 21:19 <Bill_Blight> Not my first rodeo Plugh ... LOL
2017-10-11 21:21 <Cochineal> when landtool.php works sould i see anythink there
2017-10-11 21:24 <Plugh> Hm... I haven't updated the mysql.php file used with the landtool.php I have installed.
2017-10-11 21:25 <Bill_Blight> there are a few versions of that landtool.php and also the helper scripts floating around, some work some don't ... There is a nice set of them on github that aslo work with gloebits well
2017-10-11 21:26 <Bill_Blight>  https://github.com/GuduleLapointe/flexible_helper_scripts
2017-10-11 21:26 <Cochineal> but i dont want to use gloebits O.o
2017-10-11 21:27 <Cochineal> and there is no landtool.php
2017-10-11 21:27 <Bill_Blight> It supports gloebits, did not say you had to use them
2017-10-11 21:27 <Cochineal> and i m on windows :/
2017-10-11 21:27 <Bill_Blight> that git humb basically is scrpt that downloads and sets up the scripts.
2017-10-11 21:28 <Bill_Blight> if you have no landtool.php, then something is wrong
2017-10-11 21:28 <Cochineal> no i have landtool
2017-10-11 21:29 <Cochineal> i just think u send me new helper files
2017-10-11 21:29 <Bill_Blight> ohhh
2017-10-11 21:29 <Bill_Blight> no 
2017-10-11 21:29 <Bill_Blight> that is a script that sets them up
2017-10-11 21:29 <Bill_Blight> sorry yeah I was not clear with what I said first
2017-10-11 21:30 <Plugh> Cochineal: I'm not sure that you have xmlrpc on your system. On my machine phpinfo() output has a section for xmlrpc that I don't see in your output.
2017-10-11 21:30 <Bill_Blight> are you using the ones from this link ? http://www.nsl.tuis.ac.jp/DownLoad/SoftWare/OpenSim/helper_scripts-0.8.0.tar.gz
2017-10-11 21:30 <Cochineal> hmm no
2017-10-11 21:30 <Cochineal> i have let me show u second.
2017-10-11 21:31 <Bill_Blight> You are right plugh , shows the module there, but not sure if it is enabled
2017-10-11 21:31 <Cochineal> http://download.osgrid.org/helper_tools_opensim.zip
2017-10-11 21:32 <Bill_Blight> those are ancient
2017-10-11 21:32 <Bill_Blight> 6  years old
2017-10-11 21:32 <Cochineal> O.o
2017-10-11 21:32 <Cochineal> xD
2017-10-11 21:33 <Bill_Blight> If you are trying to use the money server, you should use the ones that are suggested for the money server
2017-10-11 21:33 <Cochineal> im going to try with money server 0.8.2 helper scripts
2017-10-11 21:33 <Bill_Blight> http://www.nsl.tuis.ac.jp/DownLoad/SoftWare/OpenSim/helper_scripts-0.8.0.tar.gz
2017-10-11 21:33 <Bill_Blight> which is those
2017-10-11 21:33 <Bill_Blight> those are the ones I use on my grid
2017-10-11 21:33 <Cochineal> yes im going to try with it
2017-10-11 21:33 <Bill_Blight> but also as Plugh pointed out, you need to make sure your xmlrpc module is actually enabled
2017-10-11 21:35 <Cochineal> 0key.
2017-10-11 21:35 <Cochineal> should i on config file
2017-10-11 21:35 <Cochineal> add my robust mysql 
2017-10-11 21:35 <Cochineal> or money sql information
2017-10-11 21:35 <Bill_Blight> put this in a blank php file and it will show you your loaded extensions    <?php var_dump(get_loaded_extensions()) ?>
2017-10-11 21:36 <Cochineal> http://87.128.95.125:8888/exten.php
2017-10-11 21:36 <Bill_Blight> hmm that could be part of the problem, your money sql, should really be the same as your robust, as it needs to access user accounts .. but maybe you have it looking at both
2017-10-11 21:36 <Cochineal> O.o
2017-10-11 21:37 <Bill_Blight> from that file, you have no xmlrpc loaded
2017-10-11 21:37 <Cochineal> i have seperate
2017-10-11 21:37 <Cochineal> but works fine
2017-10-11 21:37 <Cochineal> O.o
2017-10-11 21:38 <Cochineal> i think money server creating for own new user list 
2017-10-11 21:38 <Bill_Blight> XAMP may not be compiled with xmlrpc support , you may have to do a manual apache install ... but I don't do windows web servers, so I'm not sure
2017-10-11 21:38 <Cochineal> 0k im going to work with my cpanel / whm i think that will be better
2017-10-11 21:38 <Bill_Blight> I bet not
2017-10-11 21:39 <Bill_Blight> cpanel is very picky about accessing EXTERNAL database servers
2017-10-11 21:39 <Cochineal> let me check phpmyadmin
2017-10-11 21:39 <Cochineal> quick
2017-10-11 21:39 <Bill_Blight> willing to bet it will not let you talk your local mysql or your robust db
2017-10-11 21:39 <Cochineal> im using cpanel on my opensim server
2017-10-11 21:39 <Bill_Blight> ummmm ok
2017-10-11 21:39 <Cochineal> if u let your server access from grid server
2017-10-11 21:39 <Cochineal> its not gonna be problem 
2017-10-11 21:40 <Cochineal> works fine with cpanel whm server
2017-10-11 21:40 <Cochineal> money creating own user list 
2017-10-11 21:40 <Cochineal> under balances
2017-10-11 21:41 <Cochineal> creating user ides
2017-10-11 21:41 <Cochineal> its works with opensim when someonce connect on grid money server looking for if it got data for this user
2017-10-11 21:41 <Cochineal> if not creating one for own database
2017-10-11 21:41 <Cochineal> its working seperate with robust
2017-10-11 21:44 <Cochineal> the problem now i dont know sould i connect to my robust or money database let me try with money first
2017-10-11 21:50 <Cochineal> http://87.128.95.125:8888/helper_scripts/helper/landtool.php
2017-10-11 21:50 <Cochineal> its blank i think working
2017-10-11 22:14 <Cochineal> on my linux whm cpanel server
2017-10-11 22:15 <Cochineal> im getting 500 error -.-
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2017-10-11 22:33 <Cochineal> have to sleep goodnight
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2017-10-12 09:17 <osmantis> Bug #8247:04 Possible difference in way load oar and load iar upload assets reliably 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8247 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-12 10:46 <satyrhuman> hi all! what is the recommended linux distro-mono version to run opensim > 0.9 ? 
2017-10-12 10:53 <osmantis> Bug #8247:04 Possible difference in way load oar and load iar upload assets reliably 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8247 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-12 12:24 <osmantis> Bug #8248:04 No intern teleports on our Grid but to other Grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8248 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-10-12 16:24 <JeffKelley> Which are the "golden" MONO versions for opensim ? I've run 3.2.8 for years with excellent stability. Upgrading to 4.2.1 (coming with my Ubuntu repo) I have simulator crashes. I heard that 4.3.2 is fine, or should I jump to 5.* ? 
2017-10-12 17:05 <Tampa> Running 5.2.0 on Ubuntu 16LTS no issues to report thus far
2017-10-12 17:06 <Tampa> Properly compile and run your binaries and there won't be any grave issues
2017-10-12 21:20 <osmantis> Bug #8248:04 No intern teleports on our Grid but to other Grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8248 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-12 21:44 <osmantis> Bug #8248:04 No intern teleports on our Grid but to other Grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8248 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-13 08:38 <Tampa> Is llDetectedGrab not implemented?
2017-10-13 09:11 <Tampa> Only returns zero vector no matter what
2017-10-13 09:46 <osmantis> Bug #8249:04 llDetectedGrab returns zero vector 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8249 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-10-13 10:45 <Tampa> The whole offsetpos does not even seem to be part of the returned parameters
2017-10-13 11:09 <osmantis> Bug #8248:04 No intern teleports on our Grid but to other Grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8248 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-13 13:32 <osmantis> Bug #7885:04 [ASSET_SERVICE] Get_Texture service corrupted assets texture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7885 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2017-10-13 17:23 <osmantis> Bug #8248:04 No intern teleports on our Grid but to other Grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8248 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-13 17:42 <osmantis> Bug #8248:04 No intern teleports on our Grid but to other Grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8248 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-13 19:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #5811 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-10-13 19:06 <Ubit> i did what? :)
2017-10-13 19:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5811: SUCCESS in 8 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5811/
2017-10-13 19:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8249: give better data to llDetectedGrab
2017-10-13 19:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #5812 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-10-13 19:13 <osmantis> Bug #8249:04 llDetectedGrab returns zero vector 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8249 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-13 19:13 <misterblue> you checked something in between my pull and push
2017-10-13 19:14 <Ubit> ohh sorry :)
2017-10-13 19:14 <misterblue> nothing for days... but then you feel the repository twitch and *PUSH* you sneak in
2017-10-13 19:14 <Ubit> yeap  :)
2017-10-13 19:15 <misterblue> :-))
2017-10-13 19:17 <Ubit> we can blama tampa on this :)
2017-10-13 19:17 <Ubit> and blame
2017-10-13 19:17 <Tampa> I take responsibility, I found a bug, will try not to do that anymore xD
2017-10-13 19:18 <Ubit> :)
2017-10-13 19:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5812: SUCCESS in 6 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5812/
2017-10-13 19:18 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: Add parameter "[BulletSim]AvatarWalkVelocityFactor=1.0" to
2017-10-13 19:19 <Ubit> why do ppl try to use the code?..  code not running has no bugs
2017-10-13 19:19 <Tampa> Is that the walkspeed thing Bob wanted for Bullet?
2017-10-13 19:20 <Ubit> hmm why that ?
2017-10-13 19:20 <Tampa> The walkvelocityfactor thing
2017-10-13 19:20 <Ubit> ubOde doesn't need similar ?
2017-10-13 19:21 <Tampa> I have no use for it, but Bob has
2017-10-13 19:21 <Ubit> ( and there is a fly i think )
2017-10-13 19:21 <Tampa> Walking slowly through a scene
2017-10-13 19:21 <Tampa> So its more... scenic ... hehe
2017-10-13 19:22 <Ubit> who is Bob by the way ? lol
2017-10-13 19:22 <Tampa> Bob Wellman, pmgrid
2017-10-13 19:25 <Ubit> av_movement_divisor_walk  this ?
2017-10-13 19:26 <Tampa> Is that a config variable?
2017-10-13 19:26 <Tampa> Does it slow down the walking speed of an avatar?
2017-10-13 19:26 <Ubit> on ode
2017-10-13 19:26 <Tampa> I'm not sure what he used
2017-10-13 19:26 <Ubit>                     avMovementDivisorWalk = physicsconfig.GetFloat("av_movement_divisor_walk", avMovementDivisorWalk);
2017-10-13 19:26 <Ubit>                     avMovementDivisorRun = physicsconfig.GetFloat("av_movement_divisor_run", avMovementDivisorRun);
2017-10-13 19:26 <Tampa> Could be, best ask misterblue
2017-10-13 19:27 <Ubit>         public float walkDivisor = 1.3f;
2017-10-13 19:27 <Ubit>         public float runDivisor = 0.8f;
2017-10-13 19:28 <Ubit> Ubit change divisions into multiplications below
2017-10-13 19:28 <Ubit>             if (!m_alwaysRun)
2017-10-13 19:28 <Ubit>                 movementdivisor = 1 / walkDivisor;
2017-10-13 19:28 <Ubit>             else
2017-10-13 19:28 <Ubit>                 movementdivisor = 1 / runDivisor;
2017-10-13 19:28 <Ubit>             ctz.X *= movementdivisor;
2017-10-13 19:28 <Ubit>             ctz.Y *= movementdivisor;
2017-10-13 19:28 <misterblue> thee was a parameter in ODE and ubODE for adjusting walk speed... there wasn't one in BulletSim
2017-10-13 19:28 <Ubit> so its this ones
2017-10-13 19:28 <Ubit> ok
2017-10-13 19:28 <misterblue> the velocity number in the simulator is a constant 1 without a parameter
2017-10-13 19:29 <misterblue> the ideal solution would have been to take that out of all the physics engines and move the logic into the simulator but I cheaped out ;-)
2017-10-13 19:29 <Ubit> guess from old ode things
2017-10-13 19:29 <Ubit> that we just kept
2017-10-13 19:29 <misterblue> probably
2017-10-13 19:29 <Ubit> should be on SP i guess
2017-10-13 19:30 <Ubit> well now mantis 8248
2017-10-13 19:30 <misterblue> yes... I considered doing that but the walk speed is actually coded into a structure -- it's not a single variable
2017-10-13 19:31 <Ubit> i can't repo that..  did change code.. but...
2017-10-13 19:31 <Ubit> odd log
2017-10-13 19:31 <misterblue> fixing all that would have been more testing than I wanted to do
2017-10-13 19:31 <Ubit> rome wasn't made in a day :)
2017-10-13 19:32 <Tampa> Question is is it worth it for maybe a handful of people that use it?
2017-10-13 19:32 <Ubit> you mean the few that use bullet?
2017-10-13 19:32 <Ubit> oops ..
2017-10-13 19:32 <Ubit> 
ACTION hides

2017-10-13 19:32 <Tampa> lol
2017-10-13 19:33 <Tampa> Hey it's gaining traction now that I explained how to upload mesh properly haha
2017-10-13 19:33 <Ubit> ufff my test ubode is so strange now
2017-10-13 19:34 <Ubit> i messed up all all the dll :)
2017-10-13 19:35 <Ubit> well it is working somehow
2017-10-13 19:37 <Tampa> Something else, I been tinkering around with the terrainmodule with the aim to run a simulator without sending the terrain to the client, but I still get patches of terrain in random places
2017-10-13 19:38 <Ubit> yeap c in debug mode is so so slow
2017-10-13 19:38 <Tampa> Thinking I may need to write a dummy terrainmodule for that?
2017-10-13 19:38 <Ubit> viewers do not like to not have terrain
2017-10-13 19:38 <Tampa> I know I already have a ticket open with Fs about that
2017-10-13 19:39 <Tampa> Just trying to make sure I do it properly on the simulator end too
2017-10-13 19:39 <Ubit> good luck wit that :p
2017-10-13 19:39 <Tampa> Need more than luck for this one xD
2017-10-13 19:40 <Ubit> just set a flat terrain out of the way for now
2017-10-13 19:41 <Tampa> Well removing, or at least whatever hack I did, results in faster region crossing and better viewer performance. Putting down a mesh terrain with physics has very little impact on either of these two as well
2017-10-13 19:41 <Tampa> Overall just seems better performance wise to use mesh for terrain rather than heightmap patches
2017-10-13 19:41 <Ubit> i told u already.. should have no impact on crossings
2017-10-13 19:42 <Tampa> For some reason it does
2017-10-13 19:45 <Ubit> hmm for some reason now i do see also a dif on release versus debug on c#
2017-10-13 19:46 <misterblue> normally, terrain has been sent for the 'root' region (the one that avatar is in) and the 'child' regions (the adjacent ones that can be seen) way before the boundry is crossed
2017-10-13 19:47 <misterblue> unless there is some bug that resends the terrain heightmap, there shouldn't be any terrain transmissions on a region crossing
2017-10-13 19:47 <Ubit> yeap.. so should be there already on crossings
2017-10-13 19:47 <misterblue> 
ACTION is not discounting that bugs could exist

2017-10-13 19:48 <Ubit> what is opensim without such things as bugs ??
2017-10-13 19:49 <Tampa> Would be like SL without chatlag, griefing and drama xD
2017-10-13 19:49 <Ubit> and what is SL without drama ??
2017-10-13 19:49 <Ubit> :)
2017-10-13 19:50 <Plugh> There are no such things as bugs. Only unwanted features. ;)
2017-10-13 19:51 <Plugh> unwanted or unexpected
2017-10-13 19:53 <Tampa> One to one comparison of a recording of the region crossing, result: .289 second difference measured frame by frame, yes that is actually what I would consider no difference, but it somehow still is one
2017-10-13 19:53 <Tampa> How that makes sense is beyond me as well, but I'm just gonna be happy about it and move on :D
2017-10-13 19:56 <Ubit> how are u measuring that time?
2017-10-13 19:57 <Ubit> even if we sent terrain, it is async
2017-10-13 19:57 <Ubit> has no impact on the crossing itself
2017-10-13 19:58 <Tampa> timecode on vlc from the point the center of the avatar is across the border to the jump that occurs when the transfer is complete and the position is synced
2017-10-13 19:58 <Tampa> It's only a timeframe of 1.24 seoncds in total
2017-10-13 19:59 <Tampa> So its about 1/4 improvement for whatever reason
2017-10-13 19:59 <Ubit> did u noticed that there is timing info on log?
2017-10-13 19:59 <Ubit> 20:58:02 - [CompleteMovement]: attachments: 47ms
2017-10-13 19:59 <Ubit> 20:58:02 - [CompleteMovement]: openChildAgents: 281ms
2017-10-13 19:59 <Ubit> 20:58:02 - [CompleteMovement]: SendInitialDataToMe: 281ms
2017-10-13 19:59 <Ubit> 20:58:02 - [CompleteMovement]: friendsModule: 281ms
2017-10-13 19:59 <Ubit> 20:58:02 - [CompleteMovement]: end: 281ms
2017-10-13 20:01 <Ubit> damm console edit on win keeps freezing the regions
2017-10-13 20:01 <Tampa> I think if anything it could be a viewer reply being quicker maybe because less data to check?
2017-10-13 20:02 <Ubit> there are timings there that do vay a lot
2017-10-13 20:02 <Ubit> liek grid calls
2017-10-13 20:02 <Ubit> look to those numbers during crossings
2017-10-13 20:03 <Ubit> osg is nice now..
2017-10-13 20:03 <Ubit> usually puts 1s delays :)
2017-10-13 20:04 <Ubit> well groups are in cache now
2017-10-13 20:04 <Tampa> 25-40ms without terrain, 45-70ms with terrain
2017-10-13 20:05 <Ubit> thats noise
2017-10-13 20:05 <Tampa> I did a number of crossings not just one
2017-10-13 20:05 <Tampa> those highest and lowest numbers
2017-10-13 20:05 <Tampa> freshly restarted simulator
2017-10-13 20:05 <Ubit> 21:05:46 - [CompleteMovement]: end: 218ms
2017-10-13 20:06 <Ubit> 219
2017-10-13 20:06 <Ubit> 218
2017-10-13 20:06 <Ubit> 187
2017-10-13 20:06 <Ubit> 234
2017-10-13 20:07 <Ubit> errr how do u get 47ms ??
2017-10-13 20:07 <Ubit> im crossing on same instanve
2017-10-13 20:07 <Ubit> well the VM linux box is in view
2017-10-13 20:08 <Ubit> yeap thats 187ms :)
2017-10-13 20:08 <Tampa> Idk could be that its not osgrid
2017-10-13 20:08 <Tampa> lol
2017-10-13 20:08 <Ubit> let me kill it
2017-10-13 20:08 <Ubit> hmm if i remember the pass :p
2017-10-13 20:09 <Tampa> Lowest with terrain was 39ms now, so its pretty close
2017-10-13 20:09 <Tampa> I would say that I do notice it, but barely
2017-10-13 20:09 <Ubit> noise..
2017-10-13 20:10 <Tampa> Either that or the viewer either way the fps is vastly different
2017-10-13 20:10 <Ubit> hmm still 200ms
2017-10-13 20:10 <Tampa> with terrain 70fps, without 110fps
2017-10-13 20:10 <Ubit> fps ??
2017-10-13 20:10 <Tampa> less to render for the viewer
2017-10-13 20:10 <Ubit> that is viewer
2017-10-13 20:11 <Ubit> move it out of view
2017-10-13 20:11 <Ubit> well not sure u can :p
2017-10-13 20:11 <Tampa> yes, part of the idea with this terrain stuff is that a single terrain mesh is easier to render for a viewer than terrain, because terrain has a fixed tris per meter while mesh can be reduced where needed
2017-10-13 20:11 <Ubit> that math is not that easy
2017-10-13 20:12 <Tampa> A flat terrain mesh is two tris 
2017-10-13 20:12 <Ubit> terrain is not a mesh
2017-10-13 20:12 <Ubit> is a heighmap
2017-10-13 20:12 <Ubit> sure has diferent shader
2017-10-13 20:13 <Tampa> Think of it this way, go into advanced and turn off surface patches, now instead of that flat terrain you put down a single prim, make it region size and color it
2017-10-13 20:13 <Tampa> betcha that's gonna consume less rendering resources than that flat heightmap
2017-10-13 20:13 <Ubit> well my cross take 200ms
2017-10-13 20:13 <Tampa> That's why even today with land in OpenSim being basically free people use skyboxes
2017-10-13 20:15 <Ubit> m_agentTransfer.EnableChildAgents(this); is at least a grid call
2017-10-13 20:16 <Ubit>  neighbours = GetNeighbors(sp, m_regionInfo.RegionLocX, m_regionInfo.RegionLocY);
2017-10-13 20:16 <Ubit> thats why my 200ms
2017-10-13 20:17 <Ubit> ( osgrid )
2017-10-13 20:18 <Ubit> not bad tonight
2017-10-13 20:19 <Ubit> and timings do have noise..  15ms or more at win
2017-10-13 20:20 <Ubit> well depending on how they are done
2017-10-13 20:20 <Ubit> not that easy
2017-10-13 20:22 <Tampa> https://i.imgur.com/S3uvZQG.mp4 Double the performance when disabling
2017-10-13 20:23 <Ubit> we where talking about crossing time, not viewer fps :p
2017-10-13 20:23 <misterblue> I don't know how the viewer handles the terrain... it is sent from the simulator to the viewer as a heightmap but the viewer has to turn it into a mesh to display... does the viewer do mesh simplification to reduce vertices, etc?
2017-10-13 20:23 <Ubit> it can render it as heighmap
2017-10-13 20:23 <Tampa> I wish it did, it only has LOD, even flat terrain is like 16tris per meter or something like that
2017-10-13 20:24 <misterblue> depends on how they do it... there are shaders that can render heightmaps... depends on what the viewer does with it
2017-10-13 20:24 <Ubit> yeap
2017-10-13 20:24 <Tampa> The other reason to remove it, in place you can use mesh and make tunnels and caves, can't do that with heightmaps
2017-10-13 20:25 <Ubit> terrain should be a mix of both
2017-10-13 20:25 <Ubit> prob is terrain textures
2017-10-13 20:26 <Tampa> Ideally, voxels, but that's a ton of work
2017-10-13 20:26 <Ubit> that are hard to blend with mesh ones
2017-10-13 20:27 <Ubit> don't see any relation with voxels.. but whatever :p
2017-10-13 20:27 <Tampa> It's what every other videogame that has terrain editing uses these days
2017-10-13 20:27 <Ubit> well terrain is made on voxels
2017-10-13 20:28 <Ubit> heighmap is a regular grid
2017-10-13 20:28 <Ubit> so actually a heighmap is a coll of voxels
2017-10-13 20:29 <Ubit> unlike a mesh
2017-10-13 20:29 <Tampa> Since that requires viewer changes anyways its unlikely, maybe one day when we have a dedicated opensim viewer
2017-10-13 20:29 <Tampa> when/if that ever happens
2017-10-13 20:29 <Ubit> heighmap is faster than mesh
2017-10-13 20:30 <Ubit> on physics and guess on rendering
2017-10-13 20:30 <Tampa> On rendering only in specific cases
2017-10-13 20:30 <Tampa> a flat mesh can be 2 tris, flat terrain will have much more
2017-10-13 20:31 <Ubit> yeap
2017-10-13 20:31 <Ubit> flat terrain could be more compressed
2017-10-13 20:32 <Ubit> and each 16x16  patch is actually a viewer object
2017-10-13 20:32 <Tampa> That's however a viewer thing and since we can't change that the only thing we can do, albeit not well, is forcibly remove terrain completely
2017-10-13 20:32 <Ubit> you can see that on stats
2017-10-13 20:33 <Ubit> advanced, render, total objects
2017-10-13 20:33 <Tampa> The other cool thing is, even if the terrain does not load, the physics still load for it, cause that is simulator side
2017-10-13 20:33 <Tampa> so does llground
2017-10-13 20:33 <Ubit> each patch counts as a object there
2017-10-13 20:33 <Tampa> So you could make holes in the ground llground can detect, but you can't actually see them
2017-10-13 20:34 <Tampa> Since physics and scripts are simulator side
2017-10-13 20:35 <Tampa> Anyways, thanks for fixing lldetectedgrab, much appreciated, gotta get laundry done
2017-10-13 20:35 <Ubit> :)
2017-10-13 20:38 <Ubit> well i whould like to have this:
2017-10-13 20:38 <Ubit> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=863tyJf0u5E
2017-10-13 20:39 <Ubit> ( well and other games.. )
2017-10-13 20:42 <Ubit> 2 months work per map  i was told..
2017-10-13 20:42 <Ubit> making them that high detailed
2017-10-13 20:53 <Tampa> heh I saw that yesterday, they do look nice. https://youtu.be/StAJVVpBwAI?t=226 This is what I would love to see
2017-10-13 20:57 <osmantis> Bug #8249:04 llDetectedGrab returns zero vector 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8249 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-13 21:07 <Ubit> targeted for 4k displays etc
2017-10-13 21:08 <Ubit> well their current graphics are already nice..
2017-10-13 21:08 <Ubit> and 100fps  on my gpu all the time..
2017-10-13 21:08 <Ubit> while fs.. i have 13fps at event plaza
2017-10-13 22:40 -!- IgorVorotiloff(~GuyCharle@unaffiliated/igorvorotiloff) has left #opensim-dev
2017-10-14 17:43 <Plugh> Strange. mono says 5.2 is the latest version but there is no branch called mono-5.2-branch
2017-10-14 17:45 <osmantis> Bug #8248:04 No intern teleports on our Grid but to other Grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8248 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-14 17:50 <osmantis> Bug #8248:04 No intern teleports on our Grid but to other Grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8248 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-14 17:57 <Tampa> Confuses me every time when doing updates cause all the packages are still called mono-4
2017-10-14 18:22 <osmantis> Bug #8248:04 No intern teleports on our Grid but to other Grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8248 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-14 23:06 <Cochineal> Hi =) can someone tell me how to add mesh upload cost to grid?
2017-10-14 23:06 <Cochineal> dont want to be free
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2017-10-14 23:39 <Tampa> In the Economy section, PriceUpload, don't think you can turn it on specifically for mesh though either all or nothing I think
2017-10-14 23:48 <Cochineal> i have price for image and animations sounds but mesh free :/
2017-10-15 00:45 <Plugh> Interesting question. In SL there is a different fee for mesh uploads vs everything else. There may be a way to do the same thing with OS but I can't say how off-hand.
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2017-10-15 08:20 <osmantis> Bug #8248:04 No intern teleports on our Grid but to other Grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8248 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-15 13:08 <osmantis> Bug #8248:04 No intern teleports on our Grid but to other Grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8248 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-15 13:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #5813 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-10-15 13:50 <Ubit> enought  ?
2017-10-15 13:52 <BillBlight> LOL .. I think that should be high enough limit for a bit ..
2017-10-15 13:52 <Ubit> :)
2017-10-15 13:55 <Ubit> well cpus suport 256TB now
2017-10-15 13:55 <Ubit> well some at least
2017-10-15 13:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5813: SUCCESS in 8 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5813/
2017-10-15 13:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add osGetSimulatorMemoryKB(). This allows work around the fact osGetSimulatorMemory() reports at most 2GB. This one limit is now 2TB, should ne enought for a while
2017-10-15 15:29 <Plugh> Robust is continuing to leak memory very badly. Still no idea why. I'm using 0.9-post-fixes code. I've run Robust with mono 3.2.8 and now with 5.2 with no change. I've check the ini settings and see no reference to any memory cache. 
2017-10-15 15:30 <Plugh> I have a cron job set to restart Robust once a day to minimize the chance it will eat up all the system memory.
2017-10-15 15:32 <Plugh> Could it be somehow related to the baking process? That is a feature I have enabled in Robust for 0.9 that I wasn't using back in the days of 0.8.2.
2017-10-15 16:01 <danbanner> baking instance we run never sucks up the ram
2017-10-15 16:01 <danbanner> its always presence related stuff
2017-10-15 16:37 <Plugh> I never had a memory issue in the 0.8 days. I don't know what is causing this leak but it is very bad.
2017-10-15 16:39 <Tampa> Is it used memory or cached/buffered memory?
2017-10-15 16:40 <Plugh> I suspect it might be buffering something in memory but no idea what as there is no ini setting about in-memory caching.
2017-10-15 16:41 <Tampa> Run free and see how much is in the cached memory, then drop the caches
2017-10-15 16:41 <Tampa> sync && echo "1" > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
2017-10-15 16:42 <Tampa>               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
2017-10-15 16:42 <Tampa> Mem:           7.8G        953M        3.0G        107M        3.8G        6.4G
2017-10-15 16:42 <Tampa>               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
2017-10-15 16:42 <Tampa> Mem:           7.8G        957M        6.5G        107M        325M        6.5G
2017-10-15 16:42 <Tampa> Works wonders I tells ya :D
2017-10-15 16:45 <Plugh> What caches is that going to be dropping?
2017-10-15 16:47 <Tampa> page cache
2017-10-15 16:47 <Tampa> It's non-destructive, just tells the kernel to commit the damn things to disk
2017-10-15 16:47 <Tampa> Been running it for grids and simulators for months, hourly, no issues so far
2017-10-15 16:49 <Plugh> ok, thanks. I'll see what difference it makes if/when Robust is using a lot of memory.
2017-10-15 16:50 <Plugh> Hm... did I say "if"? 
2017-10-15 16:52 <Tampa> Just put it in a cron or run a script to check usage and run on demand, could even have nagios do it if I wasn't so lazy heh
2017-10-15 16:53 <osmantis> Bug #8248:04 No intern teleports on our Grid but to other Grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8248 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-15 16:56 <Plugh> I've put that pair of commands in to a shell script. I will wait for Robust to start using up memory before I set up a cron job. I want to see if it makes a difference to the Robust memory usage.
2017-10-15 16:56 <Tampa> That's where I grabbed the memory stats I posted from, running 4 robust instances
2017-10-15 16:57 <Plugh> If it does make a difference I may be able to stop the job that resets Robust once a day.
2017-10-15 16:57 <Tampa> Clear inventory cache and login a few times, that should drive it up a bit
2017-10-15 21:03 <djphil> Ubit, what is the threat level for osGetSimulatorMemoryKB ? Same as osGetSimulatorMemory ? (Moderate)
2017-10-15 21:08 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsGetSimulatorMemoryKB :p
2017-10-15 21:11 <Tampa> Did you test that formatting snippet, the length has changed
2017-10-15 21:11 <Tampa> For MB its 4 to 5 now
2017-10-15 21:11 <djphil> no yet
2017-10-15 21:11 <djphil> kk
2017-10-15 21:12 <Tampa> GB 7 and 8 it would seem
2017-10-15 21:12 <Tampa> Let me see if the mb is correct
2017-10-15 21:13 <Plugh> I don't see such a function.
2017-10-15 21:13 <Plugh> There is osGetSimulatorMemory but no osGetSimulatorMemoryKB
2017-10-15 21:14 <Tampa> Latest master
2017-10-15 21:14 <Plugh> osGetSimulatorMemory has a threat level of Moderate.
2017-10-15 21:14 <Plugh> Tampa: that is what I'm looking at.
2017-10-15 21:14 <Tampa> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=3d6553afeee3d4605851b6f336c17d5a6b07c6ad
2017-10-15 21:15 <Plugh> oh. It only got added today.
2017-10-15 21:15 <Plugh> djphil: Same threat level.
2017-10-15 21:15 <djphil> ok ty
2017-10-15 21:16 <djphil> OSSL wiki is up to date :)
2017-10-15 21:16 <Plugh> How about that?  :)
2017-10-15 21:16 <Plugh> I still have to finish going through the wiki listing the OSSL functions and update the pages.
2017-10-15 21:17 <djphil> Poeple is happy! :p
2017-10-15 21:17 <djphil> oops, people*
2017-10-15 21:19 <Tampa> Seems its 5 and 6 for MB, 7 and 8 for GB
2017-10-15 21:20 <djphil> can you fix the script in wiki ?
2017-10-15 21:20 <Tampa> I don't have a wiki account
2017-10-15 21:20 <djphil> ok
2017-10-15 21:21 <djphil> so you mean "if (Len == 8 )" must be remplaced by "if (Len ==  5 )"
2017-10-15 21:21 <Tampa> https://pastebin.com/1GZimFbL This is what I use, bit different to whats there
2017-10-15 21:22 <djphil> ty
2017-10-15 21:23 <djphil> are you sure for:
2017-10-15 21:23 <djphil> string Mem2 = llGetSubString(TotMemUsed, 1, 3);
2017-10-15 21:23 <djphil> 1, 3 or 1, 4
2017-10-15 21:24 <djphil> (original script is 1, 4)
2017-10-15 21:24 <Tampa> Just changes the digits behind the comma
2017-10-15 21:25 <djphil> ok, 011, 3 or 1, 401 is good then
2017-10-15 21:30 <Tampa> integer linknum = osGetLinkNumber("Test");
2017-10-15 21:30 <Tampa>         llOwnerSay(llGetLinkName(linknum));
2017-10-15 21:31 <Tampa> For http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsGetLinkNumber
2017-10-15 21:32 <Tampa> Still a few more functions missing examples, but I don't have examples for those(Have not found a use for them thus far)
2017-10-15 21:32 <djphil> up to date!
2017-10-15 21:32 <djphil> yes a lot is missing or incomplete :s
2017-10-15 21:33 <djphil> but 'in progress" :p
2017-10-15 21:33 <Tampa> Probably should add that you need to rename the object to Test for that to work, Object and Primitive return -1
2017-10-15 21:34 <djphil> updated! http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsGetLinkNumber
2017-10-15 21:35 <Tampa> Pretty sure you can copy the setinertia from one of the others, it was missing before Ubit put the stub in for that some weeks ago I think
2017-10-15 21:37 <Tampa> Hm, I'll write something for osteleportobject, seems like a fun thing to try :D
2017-10-15 21:39 <Tampa> How does this normally work, does someone submit the new functions to the viewers to have them highlighted by the editor or can this be done by upgrading some xml?
2017-10-15 21:39 <djphil> i do a repport for FS highlight, that all
2017-10-15 21:39 <djphil> i do nothing for Singularity or others
2017-10-15 21:43 <djphil> here is https://jira.phoenixviewer.com/browse/FIRE-21301
2017-10-15 21:43 <Tampa> OSTPOBJ_STOPATTARRGET is giving me back a context not exist
2017-10-15 21:51 <djphil> new here https://jira.phoenixviewer.com/browse/FIRE-21745
2017-10-15 21:55 <Tampa> Upvoted!
2017-10-15 22:05 <Ubit> uff  weather ppl did promisse  wind and strong rain for today here
2017-10-15 22:05 <Ubit> we got the wind and forest fires.. no rain
2017-10-15 22:05 <Plugh> hehe... yea, that's what I've got. Winds about 17mp/h
2017-10-15 22:06 <Plugh> and heavy rain at times. Later is a possible thunderstorm. :P
2017-10-15 22:06 <Ubit> one of the worse days of forest fires of the year they said..
2017-10-15 22:06 <Plugh> You in California?
2017-10-15 22:06 <Ubit> portugal
2017-10-15 22:06 <Plugh> oh. ok. Bad fire in California (again).
2017-10-15 22:06 <Ubit> well the worse was on july with 60 deaths 
2017-10-15 22:07 <Plugh> eek
2017-10-15 22:07 <Ubit> we are like california now on that
2017-10-15 22:07 <Ubit> this year is beenig very bad
2017-10-15 22:07 <Ubit> and still no rain..
2017-10-15 22:08 <Tampa> Last two days were insanely warm for some reason
2017-10-15 22:09 <Ubit> hmm guess my fault.. in past every day i went to beach in august it did rain... i don't go to beach anymore :p
2017-10-15 22:09 <Tampa> There is a storm coming from the atlantic though maybe that'll finally bring some rain
2017-10-15 22:09 <Ubit> yeap it was supposed to arrive today
2017-10-15 22:09 <Ubit> only the wind did arrive
2017-10-15 22:11 <Ubit> was another hurricane with broken gps.. instead of going to US it came this way
2017-10-15 22:11 <Plugh> Dropping the cache has had no effect on the amount of memory used by Robust.
2017-10-15 22:12 <Ubit> running on 5.2 with --desktop option?
2017-10-15 22:12 <Plugh> Robust is only using 18% of the available RAM at the moment. It was using 45% earlier.
2017-10-15 22:12 <Ubit> try that
2017-10-15 22:12 <Plugh> --desktop??
2017-10-15 22:13 <Ubit> yes mono --destop robust.exe
2017-10-15 22:13 <Plugh> I did updated to mono 5.2 yesterday to see if it would make any difference. So far it hasn't.
2017-10-15 22:13 <Plugh> ok, I'll try that. Got nothing to lose except memory usage. :)
2017-10-15 22:14 <Ubit> how many users hitting the grid?
2017-10-15 22:15 <Plugh> Not all that many. It isn't that busy a grid. Few dozen(?) during the day. Not really sure.
2017-10-15 22:16 <Plugh> hm... mono --help doesn't list a --desktop option.
2017-10-15 22:19 <Ubit> did i told u to run --help ?? :P
2017-10-15 22:19 <Tampa> lol
2017-10-15 22:20 <Ubit> ( and mono 5x  not 3x )
2017-10-15 22:20 <Plugh> No, but I wanted to see what it did.
2017-10-15 22:20 <Plugh> I've started up Robust using it (whatever it does).
2017-10-15 22:20 <Ubit> changes gc schema
2017-10-15 22:20 <Plugh> ok
2017-10-15 22:21 <Plugh> It will be a while before I see if it makes any difference.
2017-10-15 22:21 <Ubit> same i did on regions 
2017-10-15 22:21 <Plugh> Robust is using 0.6% memory just after the restart.
2017-10-15 22:22 <Ubit> ( see opensim .sh on bin/ )
2017-10-15 22:22 <Ubit> yeah..  things that run do have that bad habit..  use ram... use cpu..   ufff
2017-10-15 22:22 <Ubit> :p
2017-10-15 22:22 <Plugh> ok.
2017-10-15 22:23 <Plugh> I don't mind if they use RAM. I just don't want them being a pig about it.
2017-10-15 22:23 <Plugh> They need to be nice and share. :)
2017-10-15 22:23 <Tampa> kinky
2017-10-15 22:24 <Tampa> I been using that desktop schema along with 5.2.0, seems to not make that much of a difference especially since I drop caches hourly
2017-10-15 22:24 <Plugh> Tampa: Are you also using the MONO_GC_PARAMS
2017-10-15 22:24 <Plugh> ?
2017-10-15 22:24 <Plugh> The ones shown in bin/opensim.sh?
2017-10-15 22:25 <Tampa> "mono --desktop OpenSim.exe"
2017-10-15 22:25 <Tampa> Don't seem to need to be more aggressive with it, running into IO and network stuff more often then being out of memory
2017-10-15 22:25 <BillBlight> export MONO_GC_PARAMS="nursery-size=32m,promotion-age=14,minor=split,major=marksweep,no-lazy-sweep,alloc-ratio=50"
2017-10-15 22:25 <BillBlight> I use those
2017-10-15 22:26 <Plugh> I'm still puzzled why Robust is grabbing so much memory in 0.9 over time when it never did that in 0.8 days.
2017-10-15 22:27 <Plugh> bbl. dinner is ready.
2017-10-15 22:27 <BillBlight> Why does windows 10 use sooo much more RAM than Windows 3.1?
2017-10-15 22:27 <BillBlight> LOL
2017-10-15 22:27 <Ubit> :)
2017-10-15 22:28 <Ubit> oops 
2017-10-15 22:28 <Ubit> good win refuses to do shutdown directly on cmd :p
2017-10-15 22:29 <Ubit> without options i mean
2017-10-15 22:30 <Ubit> ( still remember the guy i made jump out of bed and drive 40km at 4 in the morning bc i typed shutdown -h now on the wrong ssh term )
2017-10-15 22:30 <Tampa> ouch
2017-10-15 22:31 <Tampa> kvm over ip can be heavensent sometimes
2017-10-15 22:31 <Ubit> ( on the other way,, he was no supposed to be on bed.. that was a 24/7 support service :p )
2017-10-15 22:35 <Ubit> bahh my net is useless at this hour
2017-10-15 22:35 <Ubit> damm ISP
2017-10-15 22:36 <Tampa> Vent on twitter :D
2017-10-15 22:36 <Ubit> selling fake 1G home connections to everyone, without international lines to actually do it
2017-10-15 22:36 <Ubit> well everyone on major cities... not me
2017-10-15 22:36 <Tampa> Hurray capitalism... wait..
2017-10-15 22:37 <Ubit> at this hour all it is useless...  all ppl doing their sunday night surf
2017-10-15 22:38 <Ubit> well even the tv channels
2017-10-15 22:39 <Ubit> used to be able to see 1 HD channel + 1 SD one + one record at same time
2017-10-15 22:39 <Tampa> No other provider available in your area?
2017-10-15 22:39 <Ubit> now even a single SD frezzes
2017-10-15 22:39 <Ubit> no only this crap one
2017-10-15 22:39 <Ubit> others only care about rich large cities areas
2017-10-15 22:40 <Ubit> ie  even worse
2017-10-15 22:40 <Ubit> this one was payed byt gov to provide "universal" service
2017-10-15 22:41 <Ubit> including fiber coverage
2017-10-15 22:41 <Ubit> that it never did
2017-10-15 22:41 <Tampa> paid by the government, awarded to the lowest bidder doing a minmal job
2017-10-15 22:42 <Tampa> Thats why our roads are bad, the gym is collapsed and the bridges are crumbling
2017-10-15 22:42 <Tampa> You get what you pay for
2017-10-15 22:42 <Ubit> well it got owned by a french companie
2017-10-15 22:42 <Ubit> that made it a lot worse
2017-10-15 22:43 <Ubit> ( specially fr the workers they are firing )
2017-10-15 22:43 <Tampa> Heh so your connection is literally surrendering xD
2017-10-15 22:44 <Tampa> The french have one great ISP and thats ovh
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2017-10-15 22:50 <JeffKelley> correct :)
2017-10-15 22:56 <JeffKelley> osTeleportObject, really ?
2017-10-15 22:57 <Tampa> really?
2017-10-15 22:57 <BillBlight> really
2017-10-15 22:58 <Tampa> It's actually fun to play with
2017-10-15 22:58 <BillBlight> sure is
2017-10-15 22:59 <BillBlight> Drive and TP me and my car to the other side of the sim or grid(which is still a little flakey but works)
2017-10-15 22:59 <Tampa> It has inter-sim teleport too?
2017-10-15 23:00 <Tampa> So you could literally make a portal and just externally flood a region with beachballs, sign me up :D
2017-10-15 23:00 <BillBlight> LOL, yes you can use it inter-sim ... (if you know how)
2017-10-15 23:01 <BillBlight> You have to have rights on both regions or it will silently fail
2017-10-15 23:01 <JeffKelley> it has no region argument
2017-10-15 23:01 <Ubit> thats the .. (if you know how) part
2017-10-15 23:01 <BillBlight> nope
2017-10-15 23:01 <Ubit> lol
2017-10-15 23:02 <JeffKelley> hidden argument ?
2017-10-15 23:02 <BillBlight> nope
2017-10-15 23:02 <BillBlight> let's try for final jeaopardy
2017-10-15 23:02 <BillBlight> :P
2017-10-15 23:02 <Tampa> xD
2017-10-15 23:03 <JeffKelley> pos over region size ?
2017-10-15 23:03 <BillBlight> hint: Global Region Coordinates
2017-10-15 23:03 <BillBlight> find it on the mantis, there is some pointers there
2017-10-15 23:04 <BillBlight> Which reminds me I need to write that stuff down I always forget it ... Much to Ubit's pain ..
2017-10-15 23:04 <Tampa> regioncoordinate*256
2017-10-15 23:04 <BillBlight> nope
2017-10-15 23:04 <BillBlight> (well actually that might work)
2017-10-15 23:04 <BillBlight> but there is more too it
2017-10-15 23:05 <Tampa> well its the lower corner so you need to add to that to whatever position on that region
2017-10-15 23:05 <BillBlight> read the mantis, there is an entry there that tells you how to do it
2017-10-15 23:06 <Tampa> Stuff that onto the wiki then, the page needs looking at anyways since the flags don't all seem to work
2017-10-15 23:07 <Tampa> or the stubs for them are missing
2017-10-15 23:08 <JeffKelley> « if this proves to work, a version with the target region as argument name will be added, doing that math for us »
2017-10-15 23:10 <JeffKelley> next step : hg object teleport
2017-10-15 23:11 <Tampa> that could technically be part of the target region
2017-10-15 23:11 <Tampa> teleportagent already doesnt care for local or hg
2017-10-15 23:15 <JeffKelley> would that be hard to make osMessageObject work gridwide ?
2017-10-15 23:16 <Ubit> did you read that osteleport is not pretty if regions are not close to each other ( and in view ? )
2017-10-15 23:19 <Tampa> Assuming if they are on the same simulator that's less of an issue vs different instances?
2017-10-15 23:19 <Ubit> nopes.. in view is the criteria
2017-10-15 23:20 <Ubit> sure faster tp helps..
2017-10-15 23:20 <Tampa> Well inside the same simulator TP is more like region crossing
2017-10-15 23:21 <Tampa> cause its like, the same thing hehe
2017-10-15 23:21 <Ubit> well thing is that  it is done as a crossing
2017-10-15 23:21 <Ubit> no black screen hidding the ugly things..
2017-10-15 23:21 <Ubit> well try and see it :p
2017-10-15 23:22 <Tampa> Back to wild wild west levels of stability, yehaw xD
2017-10-15 23:22 <Ubit> i did made it thinking on local tps and nearby regions .. 
2017-10-15 23:22 <Ubit> others...  well
2017-10-15 23:23 <Ubit> on next revision i may make those be more like a agents tp
2017-10-15 23:23 <Ubit> to make viewers happier
2017-10-15 23:23 <BillBlight> I'd actually vote for leaving it as it is, as if you make distant regions too easy, in the state of current TP's, people will just complain.
2017-10-15 23:24 <Ubit> those i mean far tps
2017-10-15 23:25 <Ubit> well it is a heavy thing.. one needs to send the object and all the avatars..
2017-10-15 23:25 <Tampa> Breaking it apart into moving the object and any agents attached separately?
2017-10-15 23:26 <Tampa> Take the avatars off, send object, wait, send avatars, assemble, done
2017-10-15 23:27 <Ubit> i think i know how to do it..  wait.. i actually do it :P
2017-10-15 23:27 <Ubit> ;)
2017-10-15 23:28 <Tampa> Just making suggestions :)
2017-10-15 23:29 <Ubit> and no... will not add HG tps on that
2017-10-15 23:30 <Ubit> well this to explain why there are no region parameters :)
2017-10-15 23:30 <Tampa> That would be a massive headache since HG can't own land
2017-10-15 23:31 <Tampa> Would require the region to essentially have bypass permissions
2017-10-15 23:31 <Ubit> lots of issue
2017-10-15 23:31 <Ubit> so for now.. it is for local tps and regions in view
2017-10-15 23:32 <Ubit> guess already nice potencial uses
2017-10-15 23:32 <Tampa> Could make a rocket that teleports to another region looking like mars
2017-10-15 23:33 <Ubit> beam me up scotty...
2017-10-15 23:33 <JeffKelley> you would miss the best part : traveling through space
2017-10-15 23:34 <Ubit> make the tp be 2 stages
2017-10-15 23:34 <Ubit> middle one the warped space
2017-10-15 23:34 <Ubit> or hiperspace.. or..  depending on the movie :p
2017-10-15 23:37 <Tampa> "They have gone plaid"
2017-10-16 00:00 <Ubit> tampa pulled the wrong cable again
2017-10-16 05:37 <osmantis> Bug #8248:04 No intern teleports on our Grid but to other Grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8248 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-10-16 09:18 <osmantis> Bug #7025:04 Extending the region's draw distance no longer works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7025 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-16 11:22 <osmantis> Bug #7025:04 Extending the region's draw distance no longer works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7025 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-10-16 15:06 <Plugh> Is the 65535 or so vertices limit on mesh imports a viewer limit or an opensim one?
2017-10-16 15:09 <Tampa> I have uploaded 126k before so might be new OpenSim limit
2017-10-16 15:19 <Plugh> I don't know if there is a limit. I was just asked the question.
2017-10-16 15:21 <Plugh> Now I'm being told that an oar file loaded in 0.8.2 and in 0.9 has objects that work differently between the two versions of OpenSim. Rezzers are rezzing objects with wrong Z position. In 0.9 they are too low down and half into the ground.
2017-10-16 15:21 <Tampa> I have yet to see a rezzer that works properly anyways so that's no surprise
2017-10-16 15:23 <Ubit> "being told" is not a bug report.. its nothin g
2017-10-16 15:30 <Plugh> The person is showing me the problem. The mesh objects are rezzed half in to the ground.
2017-10-16 15:32 <Tampa> Oars are lossy
2017-10-16 15:32 <Tampa> Database copy best choice
2017-10-16 15:50 <Plugh> Why do you say oars are lossy?
2017-10-16 15:55 <Tampa> Doesn't save all data in a region like some estate settings and such
2017-10-16 15:56 <Tampa> They are great for incremental backups
2017-10-16 15:57 <Ubit> i see "oar" and "rezzers" on same sentence...  thats no information
2017-10-16 15:59 <misterblue> there are so many parameters for each prim, different OAR readers and writers are slightly different... the mapping from input to output is always off
2017-10-16 17:43 <BillBlight> Did they happen to also change physics engines beteen their .8.2 and their 0.9 ?  This could be related to mesh handling, where before the  object was solid and would land ON the ground, now it is phantom so it rezzes IN the ground?   Just a thought ..
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2017-10-16 18:37 <osmantis> Bug #7025:04 Extending the region's draw distance no longer works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7025 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-16 18:41 <osmantis> Bug #7025:04 Extending the region's draw distance no longer works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7025 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-10-16 20:55 <Tampa> Odd there is a scriptlibrary_ossl.xml that contains all the functions, but adding data to it has no effect in the viewer
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2017-10-17 05:00 <osmantis> Bug #8250:04 llMoveToTarget() in attachment plays 'landing' anim when on a prim floor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8250 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-10-17 08:36 <osmantis> Bug #8248:04 No intern teleports on our Grid but to other Grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8248 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-17 10:14 <osmantis> Bug #8248:04 No intern teleports on our Grid but to other Grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8248 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-17 11:18 <osmantis> Bug #8248:04 No intern teleports on our Grid but to other Grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8248 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-10-17 17:51 <BillBlight> Was going to go to the dev meeting, but evertime I try to land on Projet Secret I crash ... Oh well
2017-10-17 18:24 <Plugh> Ubit: Meeting time in osgrid.
2017-10-17 18:28 <BillBlight> I can't seem to get there, tried with both my osgrid avie and my home avie .. will try agani
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2017-10-18 01:39 <osmantis> Bug #8248:04 No intern teleports on our Grid but to other Grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8248 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-18 01:46 <osmantis> Bug #8248:04 No intern teleports on our Grid but to other Grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8248 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-18 07:01 <osmantis> Bug #8248:04 No intern teleports on our Grid but to other Grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8248 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-10-19 19:38 <Cochineal> is there possible to have own viewer? any open source viewer to edit? 
2017-10-19 19:39 <BillBlight> Kokua has a mostly OS only version , and most of the veiwers have source code available if you go look for it ..
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2017-10-19 19:50 <Cochineal> ty
2017-10-19 20:26 <osmantis> Bug #8251:04 Mono 5.2 and 5.4 slow some script functions down by a factor of 55 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8251 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-10-19 20:28 <Plugh> A factor of 55??
2017-10-19 20:45 <osmantis> Bug #8251:04 Mono 5.2 and 5.4 slow some script functions down by a factor of 55 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8251 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-20 10:50 <osmantis> Bug #8251:04 Mono 5.2 and 5.4 slow some script functions down by a factor of 55 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8251 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-20 10:51 <osmantis> Bug #8251:04 Mono 5.2 and 5.4 slow some script functions down by a factor of 55 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8251 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-20 19:22 <osmantis> Bug #8251:04 Mono 5.2 and 5.4 slow some script functions down by a factor of 55 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8251 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-20 21:37 <osmantis> Bug #8251:04 Mono 5.2 and 5.4 slow some script functions down by a factor of 55 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8251 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-10-21 16:05 <osmantis> Bug #8252:04 Missing entry in GridCommon.ini.example 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8252 ): Der folgende Eintrag wurde erfasst.
2017-10-21 18:34 <osmantis> Bug #8252:04 Missing entry in GridCommon.ini.example 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8252 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-21 22:35 <Tampa> Having trouble configuring jenkins to build OpenSim with currency, anyone got this to work?
2017-10-21 22:35 <Ubit> think bill did
2017-10-21 22:36 <Tampa> I'll go ask him :)
2017-10-21 22:36 <Ubit> err currency?? no idea :9
2017-10-21 22:37 <Tampa> It's a build step basically, pull the svn and then build, but I can't seem to get the build.sh to run, something with jenkins variables
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2017-10-22 00:42 <Tampa> MoneyServerBase.cs(149,25): error CS1729: 'BaseHttpServer' does not contain a constructor that takes 2 arguments
2017-10-22 00:43 <Tampa> Fix one thing break another -.-
2017-10-22 00:44 <Ubit> one m module does change httpserver
2017-10-22 00:44 <Ubit> something that should not happen..  but does
2017-10-22 00:44 <Tampa> I'm going mad with this thing, build perfectly fine manually, jenkins just won't eat, frustrating
2017-10-22 00:45 <Ubit> ( that will fail on the httptests branch )
2017-10-22 00:45 <Tampa> ... oaky
2017-10-22 00:45 <Tampa> Why?
2017-10-22 00:45 <Ubit> modules need to stop changing code like that
2017-10-22 00:45 <Tampa> So I have to actually fix the code?
2017-10-22 00:45 <Ubit> bc httptests server is a bit diferent :)
2017-10-22 00:46 <Ubit> but you are compiling master right?
2017-10-22 00:46 <Tampa> Yes
2017-10-22 00:46 <Tampa> it should be at least, its forked from master without any changes to httpserver
2017-10-22 00:46 <Ubit> so just warmimg
2017-10-22 00:47 <Ubit> when httptests get merged on master that mmodule needs fix
2017-10-22 00:47 <Tampa> Well its no warning its a build failure
2017-10-22 00:47 <Ubit> it my warning now :p
2017-10-22 00:48 <Ubit> when httptests gets merged into master the httpserver is diferent, that module will fail
2017-10-22 00:48 <Ubit> ok ?
2017-10-22 00:49 <Tampa> So should I clone from master instead of httptests?
2017-10-22 00:49 <Ubit> if you want to play with that money module yes
2017-10-22 00:50 <Ubit> ( the branch is called httptests for a reason :p )
2017-10-22 00:51 <Ubit> well now it also has ubOde changes... and some more here and there 
2017-10-22 00:51 <Tampa> Which is odd, because I originally merged master into my httptests branch and then pulled from there into the money branch, so technically this should be master
2017-10-22 00:52 <Tampa> Do you know what exactly is different so I can check what branch I actually use?
2017-10-22 00:52 <Ubit> no
2017-10-22 00:52 <Ubit> just do git checkout master   to change to master
2017-10-22 00:53 <Ubit> ( and i do the merges from master into httptests.. you don't need do that )
2017-10-22 00:53 <Tampa> "Merge remote-tracking branch 'OpenSim-Core/master' into http-test" 
2017-10-22 00:53 <Tampa> It is master
2017-10-22 00:54 <Ubit> make a clean clone to be sure :p
2017-10-22 00:54 <Ubit> the httpserver.dll is a dierence
2017-10-22 00:54 <Tampa> okay
2017-10-22 00:55 <Ubit> ( and that merge message means it is http-test  whatever that is.. )
2017-10-22 00:56 <Tampa> Well I didn't bother to rename the branch or something its the quasi master of the fork
2017-10-22 00:56 <Ubit> uff external modules patching all over code is bad
2017-10-22 00:57 <Ubit> ( and the httpserver is not even on main git )
2017-10-22 00:58 <Tampa> I'm generally pulling my hair out over this
2017-10-22 00:59 <Tampa> That's the only difference or is there another file different?
2017-10-22 01:00 <Ubit> said a few above
2017-10-22 01:03 <Tampa> Hm let's see if it builds this way
2017-10-22 01:03 <Tampa> Be nice if viewgit actually showed that difference in the files
2017-10-22 01:03 <Tampa> Guess I'll merge if this doesn't work
2017-10-22 01:07 <Tampa> So this does mean that the http textures stuff is not in master yet?
2017-10-22 01:07 <Ubit> what stuff?
2017-10-22 01:07 <Ubit> most are on master
2017-10-22 01:08 <Tampa> okay
2017-10-22 12:13 <osmantis> Bug #8253:04 UP/DOWN Keys stop Function after physical vehicle SimBorder Crossing in Grid Mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8253 ): Der folgende Eintrag wurde erfasst.
2017-10-22 12:21 <osmantis> Bug #8252:04 Missing entry in GridCommon.ini.example 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8252 ): Eine Notiz wurde zu diesem Eintrag hinzugefügt.
2017-10-22 14:29 <Cochineal> Hi im getting error opensim.exe Exception: System.Xml.XmlException: Root element is missing. 
2017-10-22 15:39 <Plugh> What are you doing that triggers that message?
2017-10-22 15:46 <Cochineal> screen mono OpenSim.exe
2017-10-22 15:46 <Cochineal> =)
2017-10-22 15:46 <Ubit> it also shows up on failed comms..  that dont get detected on a proper place
2017-10-22 15:46 <Cochineal> getting message and its closed by self
2017-10-22 15:46 <Cochineal> O.o
2017-10-22 15:46 <Ubit> well and bad config may also cause that 
2017-10-22 15:46 <Ubit> :p
2017-10-22 15:47 <Cochineal> i dont thing its about config :/
2017-10-22 15:47 <Cochineal> im using opensim on windows
2017-10-22 15:47 <Cochineal> works fine everyhink
2017-10-22 15:47 <Cochineal> and i controlled all config files again and again
2017-10-22 15:47 <Cochineal> everythink looks fine :/
2017-10-22 15:47 <Ubit> but that error is usually a side effect
2017-10-22 15:47 <Cochineal> hmm
2017-10-22 15:48 <Ubit> ( tries to decode xml tha really never arrived )
2017-10-22 15:52 <Cochineal> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6c63be93d0ae20edfcdf22b5706fb05f
2017-10-22 15:52 <Cochineal> i did upload all opensim log file
2017-10-22 15:53 <Ubit> estate owner issues
2017-10-22 15:53 <Ubit> or user account service issues
2017-10-22 15:54 <Ubit> ( of course we should detect this errors better.. uff )
2017-10-22 15:56 <Cochineal> O.o
2017-10-22 16:01 <Cochineal> Robust works fine and on mysql all databases are loaded i cant understand why im getting this error :(
2017-10-22 16:02 <Plugh> It could also be bad results from a called PHP file.
2017-10-22 16:04 <Cochineal> i m not using web applications on this server :|
2017-10-22 16:10 <Plugh> It could be a firewall issue. Is the OpenSim instance that is showing that message running on the same machine that is running Robust?
2017-10-22 16:11 <Plugh> hm... It could also be a configuration error in Robust.
2017-10-22 16:19 <Cochineal> let me check quick
2017-10-22 16:19 <Cochineal> no
2017-10-22 16:19 <Cochineal> its not showing :|
2017-10-22 16:22 <Cochineal> -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW -m tcp --dport 9000 -j ACCEPT
2017-10-22 16:22 <Cochineal> -A INPUT -p udp -m state --state NEW -m udp --dport 9000 -j ACCEPT
2017-10-22 16:22 <Cochineal> -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW -m tcp --dport 8003 -j ACCEPT
2017-10-22 16:22 <Cochineal> -A INPUT -p udp -m state --state NEW -m udp --dport 8003 -j ACCEPT
2017-10-22 16:22 <Cochineal> -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW -m tcp --dport 8002 -j ACCEPT
2017-10-22 16:22 <Cochineal> -A INPUT -p udp -m state --state NEW -m udp --dport 8002 -j ACCEPT  
2017-10-22 16:22 <Cochineal> sould i open any more ports
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2017-10-22 22:20 <osmantis> Bug #8254:04 OpenSim.exe getting error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8254 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-10-22 22:23 <osmantis> Bug #8254:04 OpenSim.exe getting error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8254 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-22 23:08 <osmantis> Bug #8254:04 OpenSim.exe getting error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8254 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-23 07:16 <osmantis> Bug #8253:04 UP/DOWN Keys stop Function after physical vehicle SimBorder Crossing in Grid Mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8253 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-23 07:20 <osmantis> Bug #8253:04 UP/DOWN Keys stop Function after physical vehicle SimBorder Crossing in Grid Mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8253 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008068.
2017-10-23 07:20 <osmantis> Bug #8068:04 Boats stop moving forward after sim crossing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8068 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008253.
2017-10-23 08:54 <osmantis> Bug #8255:04 Web region loading example is obsolete 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8255 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-10-23 10:39 <osmantis> Bug #8256:04 Wrong positions when using llRezObject function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8256 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-10-23 11:03 <osmantis> Bug #8256:04 Wrong positions when using llRezObject function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8256 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-23 11:12 <osmantis> Bug #8256:04 Wrong positions when using llRezObject function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8256 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-23 11:36 <osmantis> Bug #8256:04 Wrong positions when using llRezObject function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8256 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-23 11:46 <osmantis> Bug #8256:04 Wrong positions when using llRezObject function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8256 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2017-10-24 03:17 <Tampa> There are two entries for osNpcSay on the wiki one adds a channel argument into the list, so the function can work with and without the channel argument?
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2017-10-24 05:24 <djphil> Tampa : Yes and you have another with channel
2017-10-24 05:24 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsNpcSay_(with_channel)
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2017-10-24 15:57 <osmantis> Bug #8253:04 UP/DOWN Keys stop Function after physical vehicle SimBorder Crossing in Grid Mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8253 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-24 18:04 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid.
2017-10-24 18:24 <osmantis> Bug #8253:04 UP/DOWN Keys stop Function after physical vehicle SimBorder Crossing in Grid Mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8253 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-24 21:08 <osmantis> Bug #8253:04 UP/DOWN Keys stop Function after physical vehicle SimBorder Crossing in Grid Mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8253 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-24 21:11 <osmantis> Bug #8253:04 UP/DOWN Keys stop Function after physical vehicle SimBorder Crossing in Grid Mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8253 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-10-25 01:22 <Plugh> Hey, nebadon
2017-10-25 02:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #5814 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-10-25 02:07 <osmantis> Bug #8253:04 UP/DOWN Keys stop Function after physical vehicle SimBorder Crossing in Grid Mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8253 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-25 02:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5814: SUCCESS in 8 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5814/
2017-10-25 02:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  mantis 8253: try to recover information about takecontrols pass=false controls on crossings, also tell viewers about them. this may still not be correct. Use of multiple TakeControls on same avatar can still give unpredictable results (also on normal operation). In same cases last executed my override previus or not. Also change agent updates wait code
2017-10-25 22:56 <osmantis> Bug #8257:04 Error generating login response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8257 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-10-26 00:06 <osmantis> Bug #8257:04 Error generating login response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8257 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-26 00:10 <osmantis> Bug #8257:04 Error generating login response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8257 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-26 16:11 <osmantis> Bug #8253:04 UP/DOWN Keys stop Function after physical vehicle SimBorder Crossing in Grid Mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8253 ): Eine Notiz wurde zu diesem Eintrag hinzugefügt.
2017-10-26 17:16 <osmantis> Bug #8253:04 UP/DOWN Keys stop Function after physical vehicle SimBorder Crossing in Grid Mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8253 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-26 17:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #5815 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-10-26 17:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5815: SUCCESS in 9 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5815/
2017-10-26 17:56 <osjenkins> * kevin: Whitespace cleanup.
2017-10-26 17:56 <osjenkins> * kevin: Corrected name of function in call to CheckThreatLevel.
2017-10-26 17:56 <osjenkins> * kevin: Sorted the groups of Allow statements by alphabetical order.
2017-10-26 17:56 <osjenkins> * kevin: Added missing Allow line for osGetSimulatorMemoryKB.
2017-10-26 17:56 <osjenkins> * kevin: Fixed typo in a comment.
2017-10-26 18:07 <osmantis> Bug #8253:04 UP/DOWN Keys stop Function after physical vehicle SimBorder Crossing in Grid Mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8253 ): Eine Notiz wurde zu diesem Eintrag hinzugefügt.
2017-10-26 18:10 <osmantis> Bug #8253:04 UP/DOWN Keys stop Function after physical vehicle SimBorder Crossing in Grid Mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8253 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-10-27 13:57 <osmantis> Bug #8253:04 UP/DOWN Keys stop Function after physical vehicle SimBorder Crossing in Grid Mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8253 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-27 15:33 <osmantis> Bug #8253:04 UP/DOWN Keys stop Function after physical vehicle SimBorder Crossing in Grid Mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8253 ): Eine Notiz wurde zu diesem Eintrag hinzugefügt.
2017-10-27 15:42 <osmantis> Bug #8253:04 UP/DOWN Keys stop Function after physical vehicle SimBorder Crossing in Grid Mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8253 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-10-28 18:50 <Cochineal> having problem on linux
2017-10-28 18:50 <Cochineal> on opensim.exe getting error:
2017-10-28 18:50 <Cochineal> Exception: System.TypeInitializationException: An exception was thrown by the type initializer for System.Drawing.GDIPlus ---> System.DllNotFoundException: gdiplus.dll
2017-10-28 18:52 <Ubit> mono install issues
2017-10-28 18:52 <Ubit> did you instaled its dependencies?
2017-10-28 18:59 <BillBlight> I've seen that if you updated mono and did not log out and back in, one time it took a reboot to fix it, as the file locations changed and the paths needed to be reloaded.
2017-10-28 20:12 <Cochineal> sorry i disconnected.
2017-10-28 20:12 <Cochineal> i compile version 2.10.8
2017-10-28 20:12 <Cochineal> and install this version
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2017-10-28 23:58 <Plugh> oh, well. I could have given the person some information about that.
2017-10-29 01:06 <Ubit> clock time is so odd..
2017-10-29 01:06 <Ubit> it was 2:00 now its 1:00 again :p
2017-10-29 01:06 <Ubit> ( here )
2017-10-29 01:06 <Ubit> uff never get used to this
2017-10-29 01:08 <Plugh> Clocks are rolling back? I didn't that that was happening yet.
2017-10-29 01:09 <Plugh> My clocks don't change until first Sunday in November.
2017-10-29 01:09 <Ubit> here rule is last sunday of Oct
2017-10-29 01:10 <Ubit> ( and win did it automaticly )
2017-10-29 01:10 <Ubit> ( and summer time starts at last sunday of march )
2017-10-29 01:11 <Ubit> well think that is EU rule
2017-10-29 01:13 <Plugh> ah, right. This is when the time for the weekly meeting gets messed up with the time changes. It usually takes about two weeks for people to get back on track.
2017-10-29 01:13 <Ubit> a reason opensim oficial time should be UTC
2017-10-29 01:14 <Ubit> ( also easier for me.. im at UTC now lol )
2017-10-29 01:16 <Plugh> naw... a lot of people wouldn't know about UTC. 
2017-10-29 01:16 <Ubit> call it GMT and they will
2017-10-29 01:16 <Ubit> ( same thing for all pratical purposes )
2017-10-29 01:16 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2017-10-29 01:17 <Plugh> Not sure if that makes any difference. Just another timezone where people will need to learn the difference between it and local time.
2017-10-29 01:17 <Ubit> hmm and less pratical purposes also lol
2017-10-29 01:17 <Ubit> nahh 
2017-10-29 01:17 <Ubit> all ppl should know dif to gmt..
2017-10-29 01:17 <Ubit> makes like easier 
2017-10-29 01:18 <Ubit> since it is a fixed reference
2017-10-29 01:18 <Ubit> well a reason why it was created  :p
2017-10-29 01:19 <Ubit> and all gps know about it also ( not sure they do display it.. )
2017-10-29 01:20 <Ubit> well there would be no gps without utc
2017-10-29 01:21 <Ubit> hmm not sure what the russians use or the chinese that have they own sistem now..  but guess its utc.. since any other option would be 2 expensive to keep
2017-10-29 01:24 <Ubit> odd how the financial wold did not force all blocks to change time at same day ( those who change )
2017-10-29 01:24 <Ubit> hm here is same day and same utc hour...
2017-10-29 01:26 <Ubit> hmm think it used to be at 1:00 back to 00:00 local time..  
2017-10-29 01:26 <Ubit> guess that was a recent change so sync it on all eu
2017-10-29 01:28 <Ubit> uff earth should be flat..  no timezones :p
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2017-10-30 13:43 <osmantis> Bug #8258:04 Mesh not rezzing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8258 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-10-30 17:44 <osmantis> Bug #8258:04 Mesh not rezzing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8258 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-30 18:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #5816 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-10-30 19:04 <osmantis> Bug #8258:04 Mesh not rezzing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8258 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-10-30 19:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5816: SUCCESS in 8 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5816/
2017-10-30 19:05 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8258: change Mesh basic shape pathScaleY in case of Torus
2017-10-30 19:06 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8258: also limit mesh basic shape torus hole sizeY  on (some) existent objects.
2017-10-30 19:08 <osmantis> Bug #8258:04 Mesh not rezzing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8258 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-11-01 02:40 <osmantis> Bug #8259:04 Presence in Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8259 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-11-01 13:33 <osmantis> Bug #7800:04 Login to 0.9 region with empty cache results in new calling card being created for each friend 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7800 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-01 15:16 <osmantis> Bug #8259:04 Presence in Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8259 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-01 15:16 <osmantis> Bug #8260:04 Scripts count not decremented when script deleted inside object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8260 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2017-11-01 18:55 <osmantis> Bug #8253:04 UP/DOWN Keys stop Function after physical vehicle SimBorder Crossing in Grid Mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8253 ): Eine Notiz wurde zu diesem Eintrag hinzugefügt.
2017-11-01 19:00 <osmantis> Bug #8253:04 UP/DOWN Keys stop Function after physical vehicle SimBorder Crossing in Grid Mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8253 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-01 19:31 <osmantis> Bug #8253:04 UP/DOWN Keys stop Function after physical vehicle SimBorder Crossing in Grid Mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8253 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-01 19:32 <Ubit> uff me trying to explain things wit my excelent english :p
2017-11-01 19:38 <osmantis> Bug #8260:04 Scripts count not decremented when script deleted inside object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8260 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-01 19:38 <Ubit> coff coff coff
2017-11-01 19:44 <Plugh> Ubit: Kayaker wrote a wiki page about the proper way to update mesh. When you have some time take a look at it and make any corrections (if any are needed). The page is at http://opensimulator.org/wiki/How_To_Upload_Mesh
2017-11-01 19:45 <Ubit> ok
2017-11-01 19:45 <Plugh> Once all is correct you can point people to that page when the topic of mesh upload rears its head again.
2017-11-01 19:49 <Ubit> a few issues..
2017-11-01 19:50 <Ubit> let me try some edit
2017-11-01 19:59 <Plugh> ok, ty
2017-11-01 20:09 <Ubit> ok made a few
2017-11-01 20:11 <Plugh> Great. Thank you. Now we have an answer to anyone asking about mesh uploads. Last thing to do is make sure the page is linked to from somewhere easily found.
2017-11-01 20:11 <Ubit> better review :p
2017-11-01 20:11 <Plugh> I'll have another look at it later.
2017-11-01 20:12 <Ubit> ok added a bit more
2017-11-01 20:13 <BillBlight> LOL "YOUR ARE S.O.L."
2017-11-01 20:13 <Ubit> well not necessary :)
2017-11-01 20:14 <Plugh> hehe... yea, I noticed that. :)
2017-11-01 20:14 <Ubit> uff so many versions of this information already
2017-11-01 20:14 <Plugh> It should be "You are" not "Your are".
2017-11-01 20:15 <Ubit> not my typo !!!
2017-11-01 20:15 <Plugh> I know.
2017-11-01 20:15 <Ubit> i have my own there :p
2017-11-01 20:15 <Plugh> I'll let you get the facts correct. I'll check spelling and punctuation later.
2017-11-01 20:15 <Plugh> Going to take a walk and make a run to the stores shortly.
2017-11-01 20:16 <Plugh> I've been trying to upload nebadon's makerbot mesh model to a grid and it keeps timing out. :P
2017-11-01 20:16 <Ubit> another change
2017-11-01 20:17 <Ubit> region timeout is reasonable i guess
2017-11-01 20:18 <Ubit> if it happens guess the  viewer is already lost making its thing
2017-11-01 20:18 <Ubit> and that does happen a lot  grrr
2017-11-01 20:18 <Plugh> I have tried three times to upload the model and it timed out each time.
2017-11-01 20:19 <Plugh> For now I've given up on trying to upload it.
2017-11-01 20:19 <Ubit> other viewer may work
2017-11-01 20:19 <Plugh> I'll try again later.
2017-11-01 20:19 <Ubit> they use dif versions of hacd  and/or diferent settings i guess
2017-11-01 20:19 <Plugh> I don't remember which viewer I was trying to use.
2017-11-01 20:19 <Plugh> hacd?
2017-11-01 20:20 <Ubit> the lib with the mesh tools
2017-11-01 20:20 <Ubit> ( SL viewer uses havoc mesh tools )
2017-11-01 20:20 <Plugh> I don't know how to do that. It is a setting in an ini file?
2017-11-01 20:21 <Ubit> Ahh..  after a upload seems viewers stay in odd state and fail next one
2017-11-01 20:21 <Ubit> so killing it may help..
2017-11-01 20:21 <Ubit> sometimes restarting the viewer and repeating  eventually works :P
2017-11-01 20:22 <Ubit> ufff software psicology
2017-11-01 20:22 <Plugh> ok. Thanks for the thoughts. I'll try it later. I'm working on adding a features to a grid management program at the moment.
2017-11-01 20:22 <Ubit> soon in future we will need to send our PCs to psico ppl.. not repair ppl :P
2017-11-01 20:23 <Ubit> how was your childhood little tablet?  
2017-11-01 20:23 <BillBlight> "Show me where the bad man touched your ports"
2017-11-01 20:23 <Ubit> lol
2017-11-01 20:24 <Plugh> :)
2017-11-01 20:24 <Ubit> did he touched like this.. or.. this ?
2017-11-01 20:24 <Ubit> :p
2017-11-01 20:25 <Ubit> well damm AI starts to be something to worry about..
2017-11-01 20:25 <Ubit> uff whatever
2017-11-01 20:26 <Ubit> displacing humans out of all usefull work, will not end well..
2017-11-01 20:29 <Ubit> ohh and cats also...
2017-11-01 20:50 <Ubit> added a bit more info on that mesh wiki
2017-11-01 20:52 <Ubit> again :)
2017-11-01 20:56 <Ubit> again :)
2017-11-01 21:16 <Tampa> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_V0UlkmkFA I made a video on this a while ago, since people can't/won't read...
2017-11-01 21:51 <osmantis> Bug #8260:04 Scripts count not decremented when script deleted inside object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8260 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-01 21:57 <Plugh> Ubit: Are you done yet or are there more changes still to come?
2017-11-01 21:58 <Tampa> "If you no longer have the DAE file or you got the mesh from some unknown source YOUR ARE S.O.L. " pretty sure Fs allows collada download of prims and mesh if full perm no?
2017-11-01 21:59 <BillBlight> You have to be the creator
2017-11-01 21:59 <BillBlight> if you are not the creator it does not allow you to completely save it as a collada
2017-11-01 21:59 <Tampa> So move it to a region, oar it, load it, now you are the creator
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2017-11-01 22:00 <BillBlight> You become the creator ONLY if the creators grid cannot be reached, otherwise it still will not have YOU as the creator ...
2017-11-01 22:01 <Plugh> Tampa, that won't work in grids that are not HG enabled.
2017-11-01 22:02 <Tampa> save oar with publish, load it with default user, I know this works cause I have done that before
2017-11-01 22:02 <BillBlight> So you are condoing , effectivly , copy botting ...
2017-11-01 22:02 <Plugh> Tampa: See my previous statement
2017-11-01 22:03 <Tampa> Why would that have anything to do with HG?
2017-11-01 22:03 <Plugh> A user in a non-HG enabled grid (aka. a closed grid) won't have access to the save oar/iar command.
2017-11-01 22:04 <Tampa> Yes, but any grid that is open like osgrid let's you do that
2017-11-01 22:04 <Tampa> Doesn't have to be HG enabled could be a standalone too
2017-11-01 22:04 <Plugh> If it is a region you control.
2017-11-01 22:05 <BillBlight> And again, this is effectly using a flaw in the permission system to perform the exact same thing as a copybot viewer, why not just tell them to use darkstorm and just openly copybot it
2017-11-01 22:06 <Tampa> Its the opensim wiki it effectively contains information that could even be used to exploit other far more dangerous flaws in the perms and design
2017-11-01 22:06 <Tampa> I am not condoning this, it's simply a matter of fact that this is how it is so it should be documented as such
2017-11-01 22:15 <Plugh> The statement could be split in two. 
2017-11-01 22:16 <Plugh> If you created an object and no longer have the original DAE file use the modelling program to re-export the model as a DAE, or save the mesh from in-world.
2017-11-01 22:17 <Plugh> If you don't have the DAE file and didn't create the object contact the original author and ask for an updated DAE file. If you can't contact the original creator then you are S.O.L.
2017-11-01 22:17 <Plugh> dinner time. bbl.
2017-11-01 22:17 <Tampa> If you are worried about people abusing the system and thus omit information all it does is make the piece of knowledge become lost to time creating a false sense of security until someone reads into it and finds it anyways
2017-11-01 22:18 <Tampa> I mean I don't really care either way I'm just saying being upfront about things usually works best, that's my experience
2017-11-01 22:27 <Ubit> plugh once again went eat in the middle of a discussion :)
2017-11-01 22:27 <Ubit> he does eat a lot ;)
2017-11-01 22:31 <Tampa> Maybe it's my european mind that tells me broken mesh falls under the right to repair
2017-11-01 22:32 <Tampa> Respect creators and such of course, but if they are gone or can't be bothered, much more so for something that was paid for, I mean c'mon that's just as bad as planned obsolescence
2017-11-01 22:34 <Tampa> Nothing stops anyone with a little C knowledge to fork their own version without any permissions built in, pretty sure permissions-override can also be used to just disregard permissions as such
2017-11-01 22:35 <Tampa> Heck just yesterday I had to deal with an iar having wrong permissions and because nothing is documented on them my only option was forcing the permissions on it
2017-11-01 22:36 <Tampa> If these things are not documented for the sake of trying to protect content then we also keep anyone from attempting to develop a solution to protect the content properly
2017-11-01 22:36 <Tampa> It's already driving prospecting developers up the wall to the point they either fork or just stop trying to develop and submit patches, I'm just saying
2017-11-01 22:44 <BillBlight> With this thought process though, if you left your front door unlocked, everthing I could walk out with is mine ..  Or if your lock is easy to pick , again your stuff is mine ..  Just because a system lets you do soemthing, does not mean you should promote it.
2017-11-01 22:45 <Tampa> No of course not, you are still bound by local laws as such, but enforcing law in a digital environment is notoriously difficult
2017-11-01 23:22 <Ubit> in wold days in some areas ppl did not had door locks, they where not needed
2017-11-01 23:23 <Ubit> ...old...
2017-11-01 23:28 <Plugh> Ubit: I seem to eat about 3 times a day. Imaging that.  ;)
2017-11-01 23:29 <Ubit> :)
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2017-11-03 04:07 <osmantis> Bug #7806:04 Filesystem asset store not implemented in PostgreSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7806 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-03 05:12 <osmantis> Bug #7806:04 Filesystem asset store not implemented in PostgreSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7806 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-03 05:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #5817 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-11-03 05:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5817: SUCCESS in 8 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5817/
2017-11-03 05:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Add a new experimental implementation of PGSQL FSAssets
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2017-11-05 22:46 <osmantis> Bug #8261:04 Allow changing map tile colors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8261 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-11-05 22:50 <osmantis> Bug #8261:04 Allow changing map tile colors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8261 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
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2017-11-07 19:06 <Plugh> Time for the weekly meeting in osgrid.
2017-11-07 20:42 <Plugh> Hm... Can't find OnRemoveMuteListEntry as an event handler.
2017-11-07 20:43 <Plugh> nm. I C&P error. :)
2017-11-07 21:16 <osmantis> Bug #8262:04 Feature Request: permanent storage of mute list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8262 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-11-07 21:18 <osmantis> Bug #8262:04 Feature Request: permanent storage of mute list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8262 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-11-07 22:01 <Plugh> Just about got that feature request done. I just have to use PDO instead of mysql() calls.
2017-11-07 22:54 <Ubit> unlinking 2k prims FS fps goes down to 1 uff
2017-11-07 22:54 <Ubit> 0.6
2017-11-07 22:54 <smxy> That'll teach you. :)
2017-11-07 22:55 <Ubit> im testing
2017-11-07 22:55 <Ubit> dont remember being like this
2017-11-07 22:55 <Ubit> and i did tests with 8k prims :p
2017-11-07 22:56 <Ubit> well 3000kbps does not help on this
2017-11-07 23:00 <danbanner> last time i tried linking and unlinking large linksets like that it was with imprudence
2017-11-07 23:06 <Ubit> viewers really don't expect more than 256
2017-11-07 23:08 <danbanner> ya
2017-11-07 23:08 <danbanner> imprudence was always good for doing extreme things tho
2017-11-07 23:13 <Ubit> OOOPS
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2017-11-08 01:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #5818 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-11-08 02:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5818: SUCCESS in 8 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5818/
2017-11-08 02:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove a potencial (and silly) deadlock; let other texture parameters changes trigger Changed.TEXTURE event
2017-11-08 03:56 <osmantis> Bug #8263:04 Very hard to apply normal or specular material textures consistently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8263 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-11-08 03:59 <osmantis> Bug #8263:04 Very hard to apply normal or specular material textures consistently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8263 ): has been UPDATED.
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2017-11-08 06:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #5819 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-11-08 07:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5819: SUCCESS in 7 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5819/
2017-11-08 07:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8263: recover the ignore of texture changes if only materialID changed. That should be done by respective cap (as before)
2017-11-08 07:12 <osmantis> Bug #8263:04 Very hard to apply normal or specular material textures consistently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8263 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-08 07:15 <osmantis> Bug #8263:04 Very hard to apply normal or specular material textures consistently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8263 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-08 07:47 <osmantis> Bug #8263:04 Very hard to apply normal or specular material textures consistently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8263 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-08 09:14 <osmantis> Bug #8260:04 Scripts count not decremented when script deleted inside object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8260 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-08 09:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #5820 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-11-08 09:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5820: SUCCESS in 8 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5820/
2017-11-08 09:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8260 fix script count on delete and remove redundantTriggerRemoveScript in 2 points
2017-11-08 09:21 <osmantis> Bug #8260:04 Scripts count not decremented when script deleted inside object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8260 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-08 09:21 <JeffKelley> Thanks :)
2017-11-08 09:22 <Ubit> :)
2017-11-08 12:03 <osmantis> Bug #8199:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] Function name disagrees with similar function names 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8199 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2017-11-08 12:03 <osmantis> Bug #8199:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] Function name disagrees with similar function names 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8199 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2017-11-08 12:28 <osmantis> Bug #8253:04 UP/DOWN Keys stop Function after physical vehicle SimBorder Crossing in Grid Mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8253 ): Eine Notiz wurde zu diesem Eintrag hinzugefügt.
2017-11-08 12:47 <osmantis> Bug #8260:04 Scripts count not decremented when script deleted inside object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8260 ): Eine Notiz wurde zu diesem Eintrag hinzugefügt.
2017-11-08 14:12 <osmantis> Bug #8258:04 Mesh not rezzing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8258 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-08 17:35 <osmantis> Bug #7062:04 utterly mystifying Syntax error  (parsing error in vector math?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7062 ): has been UPDATED.
2017-11-08 19:01 <Plugh> Any viewer devs around?
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2017-11-09 21:08 <osmantis> Bug #8264:04 DefaultRegion not set 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8264 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-11-09 21:54 <osmantis> Bug #8264:04 DefaultRegion not set 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8264 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-09 23:10 <smxy_> I've seen that issue too, and had to manually set it in the DB. Should be fixed.
2017-11-09 23:11 <Bill_Blight> The flags seem to set and update if you use the console commands as well
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2017-11-10 10:51 <osmantis> Bug #8264:04 DefaultRegion not set 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8264 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-10 11:15 <osmantis> Bug #8264:04 DefaultRegion not set 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8264 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-10 11:38 <osmantis> Bug #8264:04 DefaultRegion not set 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8264 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-10 14:11 <djphil__> About Tree Module, "tree_density" in OpenSimDefault.ini, is a float or a integer value ?
2017-11-10 14:16 <Tampa> Is that part of that automated tree growing thing?
2017-11-10 14:16 <djphil> yes the [Tree] section
2017-11-10 14:17 <djphil> [Trees]*
2017-11-10 14:17 <djphil> i see "tree_density" is deleted from the ini of OsGrid and i see a new value "update_rate"
2017-11-10 14:17 <Tampa> Search for density in the module comes up empty
2017-11-10 14:18 <Tampa> Yes update rate, declared as double which is float, default 1000.0 ms
2017-11-10 14:20 <Tampa> line 160++ in OpenSim\Region\OptionalModules\World\TreePopulator\TreePopulatorModule.cs
2017-11-10 14:20 <djphil> ha ok ... i see "1000" instead of "1000.0" in the ini
2017-11-10 14:21 <djphil> and about density, how to set density, without script, now if empty ... ?
2017-11-10 14:22 <Tampa> Not sure how this thing works, but it hasn't been touched in a long time so I'm not sure why there would a config line still there unless they haven't been updated in years
2017-11-10 14:23 <djphil> Oki :) Ubit work on it not long ago
2017-11-10 14:24 <Tampa> It has some variables in regards to scale, treelines and tree quantity
2017-11-10 14:24 <Tampa> All those are part of Copse, whatever that is
2017-11-10 14:25 <Tampa> Seems to be some sort of combined string with the variables inside
2017-11-10 14:26 <djphil> On my old Osgrid i have "tree_density = 1000.0"
2017-11-10 14:26 <Tampa> return string.Format("{0}TPM: {1}; {2}; {3:0.0}; {4:0.0}; {5:0.0}; {6}; {7:0.0}; {8:0.0}; {9:0.0}; {10:0.00};",
2017-11-10 14:26 <djphil> but now this var is deleted and no remplaced by a new var to set density
2017-11-10 14:26 <Tampa> frozen,m_name,m_tree_quantity,m_treeline_high,m_treeline_low,m_range,m_tree_type,m_seed_point.ToString(),m_initial_scale.ToString(),m_maximum_scale.ToString(),m_rate.ToString());
2017-11-10 14:27 <djphil> i don't see any density in the text you past ...
2017-11-10 14:28 <Tampa> Like I said seems to be some sort of string now with various variables
2017-11-10 14:28 <djphil> is quantity now
2017-11-10 14:28 <djphil> yes, i know all other variables like high, low, range, seed point etc ...
2017-11-10 14:29 <Tampa> seems to be handled from the console now
2017-11-10 14:29 <djphil> but nothink to set density/quantity in ini file ... is missing or ... ?
2017-11-10 14:29 <Tampa> Removed, part of that copse thing
2017-11-10 14:29 <Tampa> new Command("plant", CommandIntentions.COMMAND_HAZARDOUS, HandleTreePlant, "Start the planting on a copse");
2017-11-10 14:29 <Tampa>             treePlantCommand.AddArgument("copse", "The required copse", "String");
2017-11-10 14:30 <djphil> we can set it only from console now ? :o
2017-11-10 14:30 <Tampa> Would appear that way
2017-11-10 14:30 <djphil> Hmmm :s
2017-11-10 14:30 <Tampa> Nothing else in here that reads from what I can tell
2017-11-10 14:30 <djphil> Oki, ty for attention :)
2017-11-10 14:31 <Tampa> m_enabled = moduleConfig.GetBoolean("enabled", m_enabled); see this reads from the config
2017-11-10 14:31 <Tampa> m_copses =  new List<Copse>(); this doesnt
2017-11-10 14:31 <djphil> yes, ini have some other variables for it also
2017-11-10 14:31 <djphil> eg: allowGrow = false
2017-11-10 14:32 <djphil> eg: active_trees = false
2017-11-10 14:32 <Tampa> I never used this module in any form because of its randomness in planting trees all over the place, which well that's what is for, but meh
2017-11-10 14:32 <djphil> but "tree_density" is removed ...
2017-11-10 14:32 <djphil> and i don't know/understand why :s
2017-11-10 14:32 <Tampa> Another example of requiring user input for initial configuration I suppose
2017-11-10 14:33 <Tampa> Should really be an option to set this in the config you are kinda right about that
2017-11-10 14:33 <djphil> sure
2017-11-10 14:33 <djphil> i made a little region to test it sometime ago
2017-11-10 14:33 <Tampa> Shouldn't be too hard either, just need to read the Copse from it or something, not sure if that is a single use or if there can be more than one Copse though
2017-11-10 14:34 <djphil> and the improvments of Ubit make it work nicely :)
2017-11-10 14:34 <djphil> (working with a inworld ossl script)
2017-11-10 14:35 <Tampa> Ah so the copses can be loaded from an external xml file
2017-11-10 14:35 <djphil> yes
2017-11-10 14:35 <djphil> i update all xml from the osgrid forum
2017-11-10 14:35 <Tampa> using the load command on console, so that could be made into a config line to load a specified xml file
2017-11-10 14:35 <djphil> and put it to downlaod on my website
2017-11-10 14:35 <djphil> and update the wiki too :p
2017-11-10 14:35 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Trees_Module
2017-11-10 14:36 <djphil> all xml availables here:
2017-11-10 14:36 <djphil> http://digigrids.free.fr/index.php?option=com_flexicontent&view=items&cid=573:modules-opensim&id=726:opensim-trees
2017-11-10 14:36 <djphil> tested and working :)
2017-11-10 14:38 <Tampa> load command fires HandleTreeLoad supposedly with the specified xml file, so during init it just needs to check if config line defined for it and queue the function to load it up
2017-11-10 14:40 <Tampa> Before I fiddle with this for hours we should probably just ask Ubit nicely :)
2017-11-10 14:44 <djphil> m_tree_quantity is define in the xml but we have any command or ini param to change it
2017-11-10 14:45 <djphil> we can active/desactive, change rate or more ... but nothing to change density/quantity
2017-11-10 14:45 <Tampa> You can reload the xml config
2017-11-10 14:45 <Tampa> So making an edit to the xml and reloading it back in once done
2017-11-10 14:45 <djphil> not just reload
2017-11-10 14:46 <djphil> modify manually and reload ...
2017-11-10 14:46 <djphil> Convenient ?
2017-11-10 14:46 <Tampa> I mean making other commands should not be hard, just decode and recode the string and reload that I guess
2017-11-10 14:47 <Tampa> But it would mean it has to save this to the xml too
2017-11-10 14:47 <Tampa> Probably be best to just have opensimdefaults have a line to preload the xml and then just change the xml and reload whenever needed
2017-11-10 14:48 <Tampa> Any more would be a bit overkill for a module so few people use
2017-11-10 14:48 <djphil> Yes maybee ... i don't know
2017-11-10 14:49 <djphil> Initially I just saw "update_rate = 1000" instead of "update_rate = 1000.0" and from there discover that tree_density disappeared from OpenSimDefault.ini :p
2017-11-10 14:52 <Tampa> We have console command to clear all parcels from a region, but no command to assign or create new ones either
2017-11-10 14:53 <djphil> you can do it with ossl :)
2017-11-10 14:53 <Tampa> That means prims and scripts inworld, which is even worse than console commands
2017-11-10 14:54 <Tampa> Granted the parcel data blob is difficult to read, but its not impossible
2017-11-10 14:55 <Tampa> All comes back to the fact that most headless applications generally do not require access to console for configuration purposes
2017-11-10 14:55 <djphil> We know how to go to the moon so we know how to read Blob too :p
2017-11-10 14:56 <Tampa> Took me a few hours to fully understand how exactly it worked and the resulting code was not pretty either
2017-11-10 14:57 <Tampa> Some applications even detect config file changes automatically and update them as soon as changes are made so yeah OpenSim is a bit of a configuration nightmare
2017-11-10 14:57 <djphil> Hooo, i just found the old post of whitestar  magic avout Trees ...
2017-11-10 14:57 <djphil> https://forums.osgrid.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2865&start=0
2017-11-10 14:58 <Tampa> seems accurate
2017-11-10 14:59 <djphil> Apache need restart each time you modify the config also :p
2017-11-10 14:59 <Tampa> The "only one copse at a time" might no longer be true though, seems to foreach through them I think, not sure
2017-11-10 14:59 <djphil> but yes, if we could do a config reload that would be a good thing
2017-11-10 15:00 <Tampa> First full pre-configuration before starting a simulator, that would be a good point of attack
2017-11-10 15:01 <Tampa> though that proposal has gone nowhere thus far so I would not hold my breath for it
2017-11-10 15:02 <djphil> Unless you want a mouth to mouth ^^
2017-11-10 22:11 <Ubit> yes i did changed trees, lot long ago..  but don't ask details.. i don't remember now :p
2017-11-10 22:13 <Plugh> oh. Those types of trees. For a moment I thought you meant something related to source code.  :)
2017-11-10 22:14 <Ubit> trees module, tampa and dj where talking about here
2017-11-10 22:40 <Plugh> yea. I remember seeing the earlier discussion
2017-11-10 22:40 <Ubit> i hate all modern companies that do business by phone and net
2017-11-10 22:41 <Ubit> lots most day... had to drive 40km and still not solved
2017-11-10 22:41 <Ubit> lost..
2017-11-10 22:43 <Ubit> if i didn't read things, i whould be paying more 20euros per month than agreeded
2017-11-10 22:43 <Ubit> ( yeak they made mistakes.. all in their advantage... )
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2017-11-11 15:11 <smxy_>  Is there any way to make OpenSim tell *WHY* it can't verify someone's identity? Just sayiing that, and no more, is pretty much useless and unhelpful, and often just leads to each side saying it's the others fault.
2017-11-11 15:12 <smxy_> In the viewer message would be great, but can it at least be specifically called out in the logs?
2017-11-11 15:16 <smxy> It just seems that doing so would be incredibly useful to debigging this issue, which is the primary one I see happen (in my grid, anyway).
2017-11-11 17:50 <Bill_Blight> there is really only one reason for that message in reality, failed or invalid dns lookup
2017-11-11 18:20 <Bill_Blight> and by that I mean, either total failures of a dns lookup, or a mismatching lookup
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2017-11-11 22:00 <smxy> When people can't get to me and have that error, I usually find they don't have matching forward and reverse, so I add them to my local DNS. I try to explain that others have to do that, if I get that error, trying to go to them, but they either don't seem to understand, or don't control their DNS, so they can't override it locally. 
2017-11-11 22:00 <smxy> But is that the only reason for that message?
2017-11-11 23:32 <osmantis> Bug #8200:04 PGSQL EstateStore.migrations does not create estate_settings_id SEQUENCE and will prevent OpenSim from completing first run 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8200 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-11-12 01:05 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsAddAgentToGroupt isn't implemented ? I get osAddAgentToGroup don't exist :o
2017-11-12 01:32 <Plugh> djphil: No, it doesn't. It isn't in OSSL_Api.cs but a wiki page exists for it.
2017-11-12 02:04 <djphil> Wiki anticipation?
2017-11-12 02:05 <djphil> ha Plugh, i think you use the Desitnation Guide, right
2017-11-12 02:05 <djphil> just pull a little fix to count agents onlines
2017-11-12 02:05 <djphil> https://github.com/djphil/osguide/commit/500aa8c70ff71c993276d77f49e99988909f4544
2017-11-12 02:05 <djphil> Enjoy! :)
2017-11-12 02:10 <Plugh> djphil: yea, it is odd that the function should be in the wiki already.
2017-11-12 02:10 <Plugh> djphil: thanks for the heads up about the code change.
2017-11-12 02:37 <osmantis> Bug #8265:04 right and left arrow keys fail to function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8265 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-11-12 02:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #5821 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-11-12 03:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5821: SUCCESS in 8 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5821/
2017-11-12 03:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: off line module V2 must not sent a empty mutes list. That is mutes modules job (or let viewers use they cached entries if none)
2017-11-12 03:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #5822 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-11-12 03:18 <Ubit> FLOOD
2017-11-12 03:18 <Ubit> lol
2017-11-12 03:21 <Ubit> oops forgot a warning
2017-11-12 03:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5822: SUCCESS in 5 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5822/
2017-11-12 03:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change opensim.ini.example mutes coments to express what our current code does
2017-11-12 03:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #5823 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-11-12 03:26 <osmantis> Bug #8200:04 PGSQL EstateStore.migrations does not create estate_settings_id SEQUENCE and will prevent OpenSim from completing first run 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8200 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
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2017-11-12 03:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a warning in opensim.ini.example mute lists, about the fact viewers cache beening shared by all grids, and that can be confusing
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2017-11-12 03:42 <osmantis> Bug #8262:04 Feature Request: permanent storage of mute list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8262 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-12 03:44 <Ubit> YMMV. ???
2017-11-12 03:45 <Ubit> written abbreviation for your mileage may vary hmm
2017-11-12 03:45 <Ubit> not nice prospect for a patch :p
2017-11-12 03:46 <Plugh> djphil: Um... you do realize that you are the one who originally added the osAddAgentToGroup wiki page?
2017-11-12 03:47 <osmantis> Bug #8200:04 PGSQL EstateStore.migrations does not create estate_settings_id SEQUENCE and will prevent OpenSim from completing first run 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8200 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-12 03:47 <djphil> Hmmm, i don't remember
2017-11-12 03:48 <Plugh> djphil: I just checked the page history.
2017-11-12 03:48 <djphil> i see
2017-11-12 03:48 <djphil> any mantis about OsAddAgentToGroup ?
2017-11-12 03:48 <Plugh>  19:41, 23 October 2017‎ Djphil (Talk | contribs | block)‎ . . (+715)‎ . . (Created ...
2017-11-12 03:49 <djphil> yes i see
2017-11-12 03:49 <Plugh> I don't know. I haven't looked.
2017-11-12 03:49 <djphil> i search a related mantis ...
2017-11-12 03:49 <Plugh> Ubit: I have something that partially works for maintaining a mute list. It will add/remove mutelist entries from a database.
2017-11-12 03:49 <djphil> because i add only if i see somethink on mantis
2017-11-12 03:50 <Ubit> seems there is also a NSL module, with a 0.9 version.. no idea what stage
2017-11-12 03:50 <Plugh> djphil: I see no mantis mentioning that function in the title.
2017-11-12 03:50 <Ubit> ( that uses php   etc )
2017-11-12 03:51 <Plugh> Ubit: URL?
2017-11-12 03:52 <Ubit> http://www.nsl.tuis.ac.jp/xoops/modules/xpwiki/?OpenSim%2FNSL%20Modules
2017-11-12 03:52 <Ubit> that svn did not work..  but the url opens with brower and lists contents etc
2017-11-12 03:54 <Ubit> possible there are others.. just found that for now
2017-11-12 03:54 <Ubit> i mean others public..
2017-11-12 03:55 <Ubit> at some point we should have robust suport, like done with groups, profiles, etc
2017-11-12 03:55 <Ubit> well and one from us that does work unlike current
2017-11-12 03:56 <Ubit> no no i did not killed LBSA
2017-11-12 03:57 <Ubit> ( i hope) :p
2017-11-12 03:58 <djphil> i hope Melanie_T  provide the php code for the OpenSurrency module soon :)
2017-11-12 03:58 <djphil> NSL is for real money
2017-11-12 03:58 <Ubit> NSL has several modules
2017-11-12 03:58 <djphil> yeah
2017-11-12 03:59 <Ubit> i did look to that wind one also
2017-11-12 03:59 <Plugh> djphil: I don't think I see that happening.
2017-11-12 03:59 <Ubit> but really not in the mood of adding ffts to opensim
2017-11-12 03:59 <djphil> ha for sephire wind module you mean Ubit ?
2017-11-12 04:00 <djphil> or sanphire ... don't reemmber
2017-11-12 04:00 <Plugh> Ubit, there is reference to the mutelist module as part of xoopensim but it has nothing useful.
2017-11-12 04:00 <Ubit> click on that svn url
2017-11-12 04:01 <Ubit> http://www.nsl.tuis.ac.jp/svn/opensim/opensim.modules/trunk/
2017-11-12 04:01 <djphil> Plugh: Already more than 2 and I am patient. She told me she will do ...
2017-11-12 04:01 <Ubit> its on Messaging
2017-11-12 04:02 <djphil> This one exist Ubit: http://www.nsl.tuis.ac.jp/xoops/modules/xpwiki/?OpenSim%2FWind
2017-11-12 04:03 <Ubit> ( why did i mentioned wind...  :p )
2017-11-12 04:03 <Plugh> Ubit: ok, found it. Checking out the code for examination now.
2017-11-12 04:04 <Ubit> well that is like openprofiles etc ( that they also have there )
2017-11-12 04:04 <Ubit> ie region module plus  php
2017-11-12 04:05 <Ubit> so not much in the mood of adding another one like that to core
2017-11-12 04:05 <Ubit> and later a robust one
2017-11-12 04:05 <Ubit> ( that mel may already have.. no idea )
2017-11-12 04:06 <djphil> and another one here Ubit : http://wiki.inworldz.com/izwiki/index.php/Zephyr_Winds_System
2017-11-12 04:07 <Ubit> ( buaaa why why why did i mentioned wind LOL )
2017-11-12 04:07 <Plugh> Ubit, thanks. I'll take a closer look at the NSL mutelist module tomorrow and compare it to the code I put together already. I'm having trouble with returning the proper success/fail codes.
2017-11-12 04:07 <Ubit> well of course we need a solution..  even if not ours for now
2017-11-12 04:07 <Plugh> Looks like the NSL one is using REST for passing data and not JSON as indicate by the sample mutelist module in the source tree.
2017-11-12 04:08 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2017-11-12 04:08 <Ubit> err sample module?
2017-11-12 04:08 <Ubit> what sample module?
2017-11-12 04:08 <Plugh> well, whatever you want to call that thing referring to itself as a mutelist module that is in the source tree.
2017-11-12 04:08 <Ubit> it has nothing
2017-11-12 04:09 <Plugh> It has the framework of a module and puts some of the hooks in place. It just doesn't do anything useful.
2017-11-12 04:09 <Ubit> just deletes the lists on viewers
2017-11-12 04:09 <Ubit> er im i missng something?
2017-11-12 04:10 <Plugh> I made it start to do useful work but I really should make it in to a separate module. I realized I can't just update the module in the tree as it wants to use an external website to do some of the work.
2017-11-12 04:10 <Ubit> ours only serves client.OnMuteListRequest += OnMuteListRequest;
2017-11-12 04:10 <Ubit> not the other 2 or 3 needed ones
2017-11-12 04:11 <Plugh> yea. 
2017-11-12 04:11 <Plugh> I've also discovered there are 5 mutelist related messages, not three.
2017-11-12 04:11 <Ubit> or that.. did not counted
2017-11-12 04:12 <Ubit> well and the sending of the lists is not that fast
2017-11-12 04:12 <Plugh> That hook would be the one to retrieve a mute list. No hooks for adding/removing from the list, and no real code to get a list.
2017-11-12 04:12 <Plugh> It references a mutelist file.
2017-11-12 04:12 <Ubit> that sending
2017-11-12 04:12 <Ubit> thats..
2017-11-12 04:13 <Ubit> see their module
2017-11-12 04:13 <Ubit> has the other stuff
2017-11-12 04:13 <Plugh> I was thinking of going in to SL using WGP to do some tests there with mutelist and watch the messages that go back and forth.
2017-11-12 04:13 <Ubit> well easier now, if that module does work :)
2017-11-12 04:14 <Ubit> ( or almost works )
2017-11-12 04:14 <Plugh> yea, but I've already done the other work for a full module except for working out some final details I can get from that module. 
2017-11-12 04:15 <Plugh> MuteListUpdate and UseCachedMuteList are the other two mute list related messages I discovered.
2017-11-12 04:16 <Ubit> UseCachedMuteList  is at llClientView
2017-11-12 04:16 <Ubit> used there
2017-11-12 04:16 <Ubit> if there is no module
2017-11-12 04:17 <Plugh> ok
2017-11-12 04:17 <Ubit> proper code will also need to send if to reduce viewer<->region trafic, specially using xfer
2017-11-12 04:19 <Plugh> The mutelist request occurs during login. I haven't checked if it is done on a TP.
2017-11-12 04:19 <Ubit> mb a viewer decision
2017-11-12 04:20 <Ubit> most likely
2017-11-12 04:21 <Plugh> hm... I was supposed to be bumping the severity of osMakeNC to Severe. Looks like I haven't pushed the changes for that yet.
2017-11-12 04:21 <Ubit> it does send a crc of its cache, to a check can be done, avoiding sending it
2017-11-12 04:21 <Plugh> I was wondering about that crc thing
2017-11-12 04:21 <Ubit> hmm the should be passed to grid, to also avoid  trafic there
2017-11-12 04:21 <Ubit> that..
2017-11-12 04:22 <Ubit> ( well im guessing :p )
2017-11-12 04:22 <Plugh> I tried to look at what the viewer does with mutelist stuff but I can' make a lot of sense out of the C++ code.
2017-11-12 04:22 <Plugh> s/can'/can't/
2017-11-12 04:23 <Ubit> 
ACTION not looking now

2017-11-12 04:23 <Ubit> :)
2017-11-12 04:23 <Plugh> I don't blame you. :)
2017-11-12 04:23 <Ubit> :)
2017-11-12 04:23 <Ubit> well at least how the crc is done, will be needed
2017-11-12 04:24 <Plugh> When I move my mutelist stuff to a module outside the OS tree I'll need a name for it. I think I'll use OpenSimMutelist in keeping with the other OS modules I maintain.
2017-11-12 04:24 <Ubit> it is one using php like this one?
2017-11-12 04:25 <Plugh> yea. I'm just using PHP to store the mute list info in a DB. To become part of core it will need to be handled differently.
2017-11-12 04:25 <Ubit> not in the mood of having more V1, V2 things
2017-11-12 04:26 <Plugh> Having a crc of a mutelist will be hard to deal with unless the information is saved in a file where it can easily be crc'ed.
2017-11-12 04:26 <Plugh> Adding mutelist support using a module and PHP is easier for me rather than trying to do it all in core.
2017-11-12 04:27 <Ubit> there is a limit of 1000 entries
2017-11-12 04:27 <Ubit> at least so says FS
2017-11-12 04:27 <Plugh> oh
2017-11-12 04:28 <Ubit> saving on a file? yeackk don't be lazy.. think :p
2017-11-12 04:28 <Plugh> I'm storing the info to a DB. The "mutelist module" in core references a file as one of the arguments to a function call says "filename".
2017-11-12 04:29 <Plugh> I'm doing it via PDO calls.
2017-11-12 04:29 <Ubit> that file is other thing
2017-11-12 04:29 <Ubit> its the sfer file
2017-11-12 04:29 <Ubit> xfer
2017-11-12 04:29 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2017-11-12 04:30 <Ubit> you just replace that byte[0]  by a array with real data
2017-11-12 04:30 <Plugh> I wanted to talk with a viewer dev about the format of the data expected by the viewer.
2017-11-12 04:30 <Ubit> well you have it now on that module
2017-11-12 04:30 <Ubit> and guess that viewer dev would answer you like me.. SEE on sources :P
2017-11-12 04:31 <Ubit> and you actually also have in on the packets data
2017-11-12 04:32 <Plugh> yea, weird. Space separation between type, mute ID, and mute name then | followed by mute flags.
2017-11-12 04:32 <Ubit> 
ACTION not looking :p

2017-11-12 04:32 <Plugh> Why do spaces for the other parts then | before the last item. :P
2017-11-12 04:33 <Ubit> mb bc mute name is .. a name ?
2017-11-12 04:34 <Ubit> hmm or whatever
2017-11-12 04:34 <Plugh> I'm not sure what is better. The overhead to fetch the mutelist from a DB, calculate a crc and determine if the mute list needs sending or to just send it.
2017-11-12 04:34 <Plugh> oh, right. The mutelist name might have spaces in it.
2017-11-12 04:35 <Plugh> As long as the mutelist name doesn't have | in it one is safe.
2017-11-12 04:35 <Ubit> sending better than crc?   bahh :p
2017-11-12 04:35 <Ubit> rethink that :p
2017-11-12 04:36 <Ubit> ( specially if you can check grid side, saving also that transfer size )
2017-11-12 04:36 <Plugh> hm... get the mutelist request, fetch data, compute crc. If crc matches send UseCachedMuteList back to viewer??
2017-11-12 04:36 <Ubit> you should have my ISP :p
2017-11-12 04:36 <Ubit> yeap sounds like it
2017-11-12 04:37 <Ubit> UseCachedMuteList back is working 
2017-11-12 04:39 <Ubit> sure region<->grid protocol must take in consideration all cases..
2017-11-12 04:39 <Ubit> valid data,   crc ok so no data, errors..
2017-11-12 04:39 <Ubit> but im just thinking not actually doing it :)
2017-11-12 04:43 <Ubit> ( sure that crc thing can be a upgrade..  )
2017-11-12 04:44 <Ubit> guess 1000 things like that is what 256k ? 128k ?
2017-11-12 05:02 <Plugh> I think it is closer to 128k
2017-11-12 05:04 <Plugh> I see what the NSL code is doing. It retreives the mutelist info via a call to PHP code then writes the data out to a file. It then makes a call to send the file.
2017-11-12 08:58 <osmantis> Bug #8200:04 PGSQL EstateStore.migrations does not create estate_settings_id SEQUENCE and will prevent OpenSim from completing first run 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8200 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-12 09:19 <osmantis> Bug #8200:04 PGSQL EstateStore.migrations does not create estate_settings_id SEQUENCE and will prevent OpenSim from completing first run 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8200 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-12 09:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #5824 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-11-12 09:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5824: SUCCESS in 8 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5824/
2017-11-12 09:25 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: PGSQL EstateStore create estate_settings_id SEQUENCE
2017-11-12 09:25 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8200: move changes in PGSQL  from last commit to a new transaction (13)
2017-11-12 12:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #5825 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-11-12 12:05 <osmantis> Bug #8253:04 UP/DOWN Keys stop Function after physical vehicle SimBorder Crossing in Grid Mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8253 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-12 12:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5825: SUCCESS in 6 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5825/
2017-11-12 12:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8253: don't let attachments delete remove controls from viewers on crossings.
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2017-11-12 22:31 <osmantis> Bug #8264:04 DefaultRegion not set 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8264 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-11-12 23:23 <osmantis> Bug #8264:04 DefaultRegion not set 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8264 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-12 23:25 <osmantis> Bug #8264:04 DefaultRegion not set 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8264 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-13 17:47 <osmantis> Bug #8262:04 Feature Request: permanent storage of mute list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8262 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-13 19:18 <osmantis> Bug #8264:04 DefaultRegion not set 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8264 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-13 19:34 <Tampa> What's the idea behind saving the mutelist serverside?
2017-11-13 19:41 <Bill_Blight> So if you change viewers or reload your viewer, you don't loose your mute list
2017-11-13 19:45 <Tampa> Fair enough, though that seems like something more client-server applications save clientside rather than serverside. I wonder how some videogames/mmos handle this. Just seems to me like something that shouldn't necessarily be serverside.
2017-11-13 19:45 <Bill_Blight> No different than your appearance being saved serverside, or offline messages, or or or or
2017-11-13 19:46 <Bill_Blight> Most online games your chat controls are saved serverside, such as friends lists,  mutes blocks and so on, so yeah this is in line with that
2017-11-13 19:47 <Bill_Blight> Just like your firends list is who you want to talk to is server side, who you DON'T want to talk to should be there too
2017-11-13 19:50 <Tampa> That calling card friendslist thing is another rabbit hole of issues though. I suppose it does make sense, but the load this can put on the server. All this data going back and forth quickly adds up.
2017-11-13 19:51 <Tampa> Also, with it being saved somewhere it would be easy to globally mute someone by putting them on everyones mutelist. Silence people so to speak.
2017-11-13 20:27 <osmantis> Bug #8253:04 UP/DOWN Keys stop Function after physical vehicle SimBorder Crossing in Grid Mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8253 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-13 20:28 <osmantis> Bug #8265:04 right and left arrow keys fail to function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8265 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-13 20:29 <Ubit> it is not server side, is grid side ( on grids)
2017-11-13 20:29 <Bill_Blight> ^^
2017-11-13 20:29 <Bill_Blight> what he said
2017-11-13 20:29 <Ubit> yeap
2017-11-13 20:29 <Tampa> semantics...
2017-11-13 20:30 <Ubit> well very relevant semantics if you need to code :P
2017-11-13 20:32 <Tampa> More important discussion is whether or not it will be implemented
2017-11-13 20:33 <Ubit> eventually  i guess it will
2017-11-13 20:33 <Ubit> there is at least a NSL module, that may (almost) work
2017-11-13 20:34 <Ubit> also seems plugh is working on a identical one
2017-11-13 20:35 <Ubit> but both both required web services and not use our grid side code ( like old profiles etc)
2017-11-13 20:35 <Ubit> so robust suport should be added at some time
2017-11-13 20:36 <Ubit> having a dummy module  is not nice, unless it is money related
2017-11-13 20:38 <Ubit> ( on money we will only have dummy or basic api suport only )
2017-11-13 20:51 <osmantis> Bug #8261:04 Allow changing map tile colors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8261 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-13 20:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #5826 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-11-13 20:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5826: SUCCESS in 8 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5826/
2017-11-13 20:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Changing map tile colors This change also allows setting the water color, as well as the 4 colors for textured map tiles.
2017-11-13 22:15 <osmantis> Bug #8263:04 Very hard to apply normal or specular material textures consistently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8263 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-13 23:31 <osmantis> Bug #8263:04 Very hard to apply normal or specular material textures consistently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8263 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-13 23:38 <Plugh> I just found out about a website that claims you can run SL in a browser. They also want money if you plan to use their service. :P  I'm surprised as I thought that SL in a browser was still a WIP and that no one had actually got it working yet.
2017-11-13 23:39 <Bill_Blight> fRame?
2017-11-13 23:39 <Bill_Blight> Bright Canopy?
2017-11-13 23:40 <Bill_Blight> What they do is actually run a virtual machine, and give you web based access to it, so it is actually running a viewer
2017-11-13 23:40 <Ubit> there are tools to run games on http possible that is one adapted for sl
2017-11-13 23:43 <Ubit> what they do is to run a game inside a VM,  and send it as video.. getting keyboard etc feedback
2017-11-13 23:43 <Bill_Blight> ^^ that is what I said ... LOL :P
2017-11-13 23:43 <Ubit> oops so you did lol
2017-11-13 23:44 <Ubit> nahh you didn't said video
2017-11-13 23:44 <Ubit> etc :p
2017-11-13 23:44 <Bill_Blight> HAHAHA
2017-11-13 23:45 <Ubit> and such a thing does need to be payed... since servers do need to have muscle
2017-11-14 00:11 <osmantis> Bug #8263:04 Very hard to apply normal or specular material textures consistently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8263 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-14 00:15 <DZII> Hello all is there a fix for var regions overlapping ?
2017-11-14 00:17 <Ubit> well don't let them overlap :p
2017-11-14 00:17 <Ubit> think 0.9 services do some check on that at region registration on grid
2017-11-14 00:19 <Ubit> but fix in on regions.ini only
2017-11-14 00:20 <DZII> so is it grid mode that does the check ?
2017-11-14 00:20 <Ubit> well if i remember it does refuse a region
2017-11-14 00:21 <DZII> never had issue running 512x512 or 1024x 1024 regions before in a 3x3
2017-11-14 00:22 <Ubit> and what issue?  if they overlap  things where always nasty
2017-11-14 00:23 <DZII> aborting startup due to Region overlaps another region
2017-11-14 00:23 <Ubit> that needs to be a abort
2017-11-14 00:23 <Ubit> fix regions.ini region location
2017-11-14 00:26 <DZII> do you still set ini up ex 5000,5000 5001,5000 etc as like mega regions was
2017-11-14 00:26 <Ubit> a var only has a location
2017-11-14 00:27 <Ubit> its main corner location  errr left, south corner
2017-11-14 00:27 <Ubit> or west,south or left botton :)
2017-11-14 00:27 <Ubit> if my english is not failing me ;)
2017-11-14 00:28 <Bill_Blight> to make a var you set the total size, you set the coordinates of the south west corner, and that is it, no other  .. a var is ONE region with ONE config .
2017-11-14 00:28 <Bill_Blight> One config one UUID
2017-11-14 00:28 <Ubit> ( now its my turn to say i said that :p )
2017-11-14 00:29 <Bill_Blight> Yep
2017-11-14 00:29 <Bill_Blight> (you realize I did that on purpose)
2017-11-14 00:29 <DZII> ok so anything over 256 now is considered a car
2017-11-14 00:29 <DZII> var
2017-11-14 00:29 <Bill_Blight> yes
2017-11-14 00:29 <Bill_Blight> 512x512
2017-11-14 00:29 <Ubit> yeap a var and a single region
2017-11-14 00:29 <Bill_Blight> so on, has to be in 256m blocks
2017-11-14 00:29 <DZII> hum
2017-11-14 00:30 <Ubit> if you migration from a mega you need somework
2017-11-14 00:30 <Ubit> migrating
2017-11-14 00:30 <Bill_Blight> SizeX = 512
2017-11-14 00:30 <Bill_Blight> SizeY = 512
2017-11-14 00:30 <Bill_Blight> yes you have to load the individual oars in with displacement and merge
2017-11-14 00:31 <Ubit> is that your case? migration from a mega ?
2017-11-14 00:31 <DZII> nope this is fresh setup 
2017-11-14 00:31 <Ubit> ok so just place them in a way they do not overlap
2017-11-14 00:32 <DZII> i use to always get regions running in standalone then switch to grid mode and then run regions of diffrent servers
2017-11-14 00:32 <Ubit> like one at x = 5000 and the other at 5002 ( for size = 512)
2017-11-14 00:32 <Ubit> same y
2017-11-14 00:34 <Ubit> you know that region location is global position in meters / 256 right ?
2017-11-14 00:34 <DZII> yes
2017-11-14 00:34 <Ubit> so a 512 placed at 5000 also uses the 5001 "slot"
2017-11-14 00:35 <Bill_Blight> yes
2017-11-14 00:37 <Ubit> is this your issue ?
2017-11-14 00:37 <DZII> yes i think so
2017-11-14 00:37 <Ubit> ok try fix then
2017-11-14 00:40 <Ubit> ( i do miss my 64m size regions i made work on original aurora code )
2017-11-14 00:41 <Ubit> but well.. that does not work well on grids :)
2017-11-14 00:42 <Ubit> so for that  size needs be a multiple of 256.. and for other reason square
2017-11-14 00:42 <Ubit> hmm guess square is viewers thing ?
2017-11-14 00:57 <DZII> fixed thanks for the help
2017-11-14 00:57 <Ubit> :)
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2017-11-14 01:30 <osmantis> Bug #8262:04 Feature Request: permanent storage of mute list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8262 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-14 01:46 <jsync> :)
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2017-11-14 03:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #5827 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-11-14 03:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5827: SUCCESS in 5 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5827/
2017-11-14 03:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add AGENT_LIST_EXCLUDENPC bit mask option to llGetAgentList scope to exclude NPCs
2017-11-14 06:08 <djphil> 01Ubit, AGENT_LIST_PARCEL_OWNER  return NPC without your new constant ?01
2017-11-14 06:16 <osmantis> Bug #8263:04 Very hard to apply normal or specular material textures consistently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8263 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-14 07:15 <osmantis> Bug #8263:04 Very hard to apply normal or specular material textures consistently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8263 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-14 08:28 <osmantis> Bug #8263:04 Very hard to apply normal or specular material textures consistently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8263 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-14 08:34 <osmantis> Bug #8263:04 Very hard to apply normal or specular material textures consistently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8263 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-14 08:52 <osmantis> Bug #8263:04 Very hard to apply normal or specular material textures consistently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8263 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-14 09:32 <osmantis> Bug #8263:04 Very hard to apply normal or specular material textures consistently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8263 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-14 11:29 <osmantis> Bug #8262:04 Feature Request: permanent storage of mute list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8262 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-14 12:14 <osmantis> Bug #8262:04 Feature Request: permanent storage of mute list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8262 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-14 12:14 <osmantis> Bug #8262:04 Feature Request: permanent storage of mute list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8262 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-14 12:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #5828 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-11-14 12:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5828: FAILURE in 3 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5828/
2017-11-14 12:15 <osjenkins> melanie: Donating the Avination Mute Module
2017-11-14 19:12 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid.
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2017-11-14 21:18 <djphil> maybee is possible to add some constant for llSetLinkPrimParamFast also ... for projections params :) (like Aurora)
2017-11-14 21:19 <Plugh> I was setting up to test the new mutelist module. Now I think I know what the commit message comment means about direct connection. The new module has its own DB connection string.
2017-11-14 22:42 <Ubit> its a module good for closed grids where regions can be allowed to connect to a center mysql, as i said in meeting
2017-11-14 22:43 <Ubit> .. direct connect to a central mysql... 
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2017-11-14 22:49 <smxy_> It should have been committed to a branch, until ready for Core - just sayin'.
2017-11-14 22:55 <Ubit> 
ACTION wonders if 90% if opensim is not included in smxy_ sujestion

2017-11-14 22:55 <Ubit> :p
2017-11-14 22:55 <Tampa> "Everyone's doing it so it must be okay"
2017-11-14 22:56 <Ubit> hmmm do you like trouts Tampa ?
2017-11-14 22:57 <Ubit> ohh i deleted the alias from mirc :p
2017-11-14 23:51 <Ubit> another thing about Xmutes... as typical at avn, you do need to create the table :)
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2017-11-15 00:18 <smxy_> Are you planning to integrate the module, Ubit?
2017-11-15 00:19 <Ubit> first need to see if i know how to :P
2017-11-15 00:19 <Ubit> but it does need that yes
2017-11-15 00:19 <Ubit> it needs to be a robust thing for proper/easy use
2017-11-15 00:20 <Ubit> but already usefull  for some grids
2017-11-15 00:52 <Plugh> Why does it have to be a Robust thing?
2017-11-15 00:55 <Ubit> what is the name of our grid side thingy ?
2017-11-15 00:56 <Ubit> what does serve other things like profiles ?
2017-11-15 02:31 <Plugh> Um... I don't understand the questions.
2017-11-15 02:31 <Plugh> our grid side thingy?
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2017-11-15 07:33 <djphil> llOffsetTexture make the script sleep 0.2 sec, unbelievable :o
2017-11-15 08:32 <BillBlight> Yep djphil .. just one of those many built in LSL delays, that personally I think are a thing of the past ... 
2017-11-15 09:55 <Tampa> I wrote a patch for that months ago allowing configuration of the delays through the opensimdefaults, but it was rejected
2017-11-15 10:46 <Melanie_T> smxy_: The module doesn't hinder people's normal use. To put it into a branch would make it nearly invisible, those people who already can use it would not be able to
2017-11-15 10:46 <Melanie_T> smxy_: and it would probably be forgotten rather than getting integrated. 
2017-11-15 10:47 <Melanie_T> smxy_: I don't have the bandwidth to do the integration and usually only one person works on a branch. So it will be ready to use for all grids sooner if it's in master
2017-11-15 10:48 <Melanie_T> Tampa: There is already a configuration option to specify a factor for the delays. If you want to live dangerously, you can set it to 0. No additional path required.
2017-11-15 10:58 <Tampa> I tend to try and be a bit more graceful and not use a sledgehammer to swat a fruitfly. As you said that's just inviting danger.
2017-11-15 10:59 <Tampa> Adding additional configuration settings isn't a bad thing, modularity is part of the preachings so hardcoding should be a last resort. That's my opinion at least.
2017-11-15 11:18 <Melanie_T> well, the delays are there for a reason
2017-11-15 11:19 <Melanie_T> they were needed in SL and are needed in opensim to discourage lag-leavy or network heavy function use
2017-11-15 11:19 <Melanie_T> any update that changes any aspect of a texture requires a re-render in all watching viewers, which will lag out the typical computer used for SL/OS. not everyone has gamer rigs
2017-11-15 11:20 <Melanie_T> the best thing is to use best practices, which in many cases provide a safer or faster alternative to achieve the goal, although potentially with a bit more code complexity in the script
2017-11-15 11:21 <Melanie_T> additionally, having individually settable delays for script functions would promote fragmentation of the metaverse as script that run on one region would struggle to function on another
2017-11-15 11:22 <Tampa> We already have that with ossl and various other things in terms of configuration...
2017-11-15 11:22 <Melanie_T> in the broadest terms, a script is most acceptable if it is pure LSL
2017-11-15 11:23 <Melanie_T> stepping beyond that, a script would have the best chances if it is suited to a certain threat level
2017-11-15 11:23 <Melanie_T> threat levels are  a way to group the 50 or so individual settings into a few manageable groups
2017-11-15 11:24 <Melanie_T> no script can reasonably demand that the sim owner must tweak 15 settings to make it run right
2017-11-15 11:24 <Tampa> Never said that it should and frankly I would not use a script like that if such strings were attached to it, likely no one would
2017-11-15 11:25 <Tampa> That's not the point of making them configurable though
2017-11-15 11:25 <Melanie_T> from an osgrid point of view, you want the greatest possible uniformity
2017-11-15 11:27 <Tampa> Then a large portion of config options should be removed, a single physics engine should be selected as the only one offered.... common denominators are a good thing no doubt, but closing people in just to make osgrid happy?
2017-11-15 11:28 <Melanie_T> physics engines should perform to a certain standard. old ODE does not but ubODE and bullet both do
2017-11-15 11:28 <Melanie_T> that means that scripts don't need to know or care which one is in use as the parameters have the same effect in either engine
2017-11-15 11:29 <Melanie_T> scripts only need to know if they want to use specific idiosyncracies of the engine
2017-11-15 11:29 <Melanie_T> but you will usually find such scripts in stationary items like megacoasters, etc
2017-11-15 11:29 <Melanie_T> so script and sim can be tuned to each other
2017-11-15 11:29 <Melanie_T> it's different with vehicles, attachments and items that are widely distributed
2017-11-15 11:30 <Melanie_T> they should reasonably be expected to work in any sim
2017-11-15 11:30 <Melanie_T> in the case of complex stuff, there is even a way to provide a fallback...
2017-11-15 11:31 <Melanie_T> if your main OSSL script crashes and you have a pure LSL script that does the same thing and takes over if the ossl script doesn't send a heartbeat
2017-11-15 11:31 <Melanie_T> would be such a case
2017-11-15 11:31 <Melanie_T> however, it's these distributed or moveable object for which all these configs are an issue
2017-11-15 11:32 <Melanie_T> originally, i coded only a few threat levels
2017-11-15 11:32 <Melanie_T> the per-function stuff was added later, by myself and others, through pressure from large numbers of users
2017-11-15 11:32 <Melanie_T> if it were up to me, many ossl functions would be off by default or not even exist
2017-11-15 11:32 <Melanie_T> and the delays would be fixed at SL levels
2017-11-15 11:33 <Melanie_T> in order to keep compatibility with the largest collection of scripts in existence - which is SL
2017-11-15 11:33 <Tampa> That's not very "open"
2017-11-15 11:33 <Melanie_T> in the end, the ossl functions were all created to serve one users special need
2017-11-15 11:33 <Melanie_T> they were expanded upon and came into general use then
2017-11-15 11:34 <Melanie_T> ossl isn't a bad thing
2017-11-15 11:34 <Melanie_T> some parts are
2017-11-15 11:34 <Melanie_T> the delays however serve the purpose to incentivise best practixes
2017-11-15 11:35 <Melanie_T> as they affect functions that are ineffiient, cause lag or could be abused
2017-11-15 11:35 <Melanie_T> for instance llSetLinkPrimitiveParameters, which doesn't have a delay
2017-11-15 11:35 <Melanie_T> as oppose dto llSetPos
2017-11-15 11:36 <Melanie_T> the former encourages controlling all geometries from one script, s opposed to having one script per prim
2017-11-15 11:36 <Melanie_T> and also encourages setting multiple parameters at once
2017-11-15 11:36 <Melanie_T> which is more efficient
2017-11-15 11:37 <djphil> maque texture offset on a dynamic tecture ... i cant get it work ... dynamic texture is grey wen i use PRIM_TEXTURE
2017-11-15 11:37 <djphil> make*
2017-11-15 11:37 <Tampa> What you think these delays do and what they actually end up making people do are not what you think unfortunately. They cause more bad code than "I need to learn how to do this properly", because that means learning and hard work, which most shy away from.
2017-11-15 11:38 <Melanie_T> so they write bad code which then fails in the marketplace because someone else does offer a better item
2017-11-15 11:38 <Melanie_T> then there is the punitive delay on llEmail
2017-11-15 11:38 <Melanie_T> it was designed to prevent sims being turned into spam factories
2017-11-15 11:39 <Tampa> No, they run the code on their regions and then complain to you and the other devs that OpenSim is slow
2017-11-15 11:39 <Melanie_T> still happened anyway
2017-11-15 11:39 <Melanie_T> we can't bend to the needs of the incompetent because it would make life impossible for the competent
2017-11-15 11:40 <Melanie_T> if everyone were to turn off delays, abuse would be rife
2017-11-15 11:40 <Melanie_T> in avination, actually, we limited the llEmail function to the registered account email of the object owner
2017-11-15 11:40 <Melanie_T> which is much more effective than a delay
2017-11-15 11:41 <Melanie_T> we then added a checkbox on the account pages for users to opt into receiving emails from other objects
2017-11-15 11:41 <Melanie_T> so people could receive notifications from rent boxes
2017-11-15 11:41 <Melanie_T> but in avn, it was never possible to send email from a prim to arbitrary addresses
2017-11-15 11:41 <Tampa> OpenSim as spam factory, at that point I think many other programs are easier to use and more effective at taking down servers
2017-11-15 11:41 <Melanie_T> now, that one workjed
2017-11-15 11:42 <Melanie_T> the delay  on that, despite being the longest of them all, never worked
2017-11-15 11:42 <Melanie_T> all SL's sims are listed at spamhaus
2017-11-15 11:46 <JeffKelley> has ScriptDelayFactor been deprecated recently ?
2017-11-15 11:49 <Tampa> Don't think it has, code seems to still be there at least.
2017-11-15 11:51 <JeffKelley> although i won't set it to 0 on community grids, i like zeroing delays on private grids
2017-11-15 11:52 <Tampa> I just don't like the idea of doing it collectively. Playing with individual ones to see impact on performance and, maybe just maybe after ten years of them being the same figure out a better value for modern hardware.
2017-11-15 11:54 <Tampa> https://pastebin.com/ncU4yTh8 This is the patch if you want to play with it, all it does differently than scriptdelay is allow individual removal of delays.
2017-11-15 11:54 <Tampa> I noticed that llsetpos will not fire correctly with a zero delay, likely because too many instances are fired for mono to handle properly.
2017-11-15 11:56 <Tampa> If anyone were to want to harm someone with it there are easier ways to that :) And if people insist on requiring those for their scripts I mean... at that point hope is lost anyways
2017-11-15 12:01 <Melanie_T> apart from what the patch does
2017-11-15 12:01 <Melanie_T> it would not be acceptable in this form
2017-11-15 12:02 <Melanie_T> it's a huge namespace polluter
2017-11-15 12:03 <Melanie_T> we would have asked you to rewrite it using Dictionary<string, int> anyway, with the index being the name of the function
2017-11-15 12:05 <Tampa> As I said, am not a programmer by any means, I write php and scripts not C :)
2017-11-15 12:06 <Tampa> There are likely other parts of lsl api though that could benefit from that too seeing as there is another big glob of variables just above of what I added.
2017-11-15 12:07 <Tampa> Maybe I should make it a learning exercise to see what can be cleaned there :)
2017-11-15 12:24 <Tampa> Forgive the stupid question, but you want all the m_sleepMsOn variables be put in a dictionary?
2017-11-15 12:48 <Melanie_T> yes
2017-11-15 12:48 <Melanie_T> like so
2017-11-15 12:49 <Ubit> hi
2017-11-15 12:49 <Melanie_T> Dictionary<string, int> m_delays = new Dictionary<string, int>() { { "llSetPos", 2}, ....}
2017-11-15 12:50 <Tampa> Ah yes, just like arrays really, already working on that :)
2017-11-15 12:52 <Ubit> oh my.. 
2017-11-15 12:52 <Ubit> :p
2017-11-15 12:53 <Melanie_T> Dictionaries, Arrays and Lists, oh my! :)
2017-11-15 12:53 <Ubit> i was refering more to Tampa coding ;)
2017-11-15 12:54 <Ubit> 
ACTION hides from tampa

2017-11-15 12:54 <Tampa> At least I can hide behind the fact that I don't know what I am doing, when you guys break something you ought to know better ;P
2017-11-15 12:55 <Ubit> nahh your fault..  who told u to use the code??
2017-11-15 12:55 <Ubit> :P
2017-11-15 12:55 <Ubit> unused code has no (visible) bugs
2017-11-15 12:55 <Tampa> schrödingers bugs so to speak huh
2017-11-15 12:57 <Ubit> well those are more multiple bugs of bug states then manifest as a llinear combination of their base functions 
2017-11-15 12:57 <Melanie_T> Tampa: They're called "Heisenbugs"
2017-11-15 12:57 <Ubit> or base states
2017-11-15 12:57 <Ubit> lol yeap :)
2017-11-15 12:58 <Tampa> Shouldn't all these floats for ABB also be in a dictionary?
2017-11-15 12:59 <Melanie_T> ABB? Sorry, not looking at the code right now as i'm on the day job
2017-11-15 13:00 <Tampa> protected float m_lABB1StdX0 = -0.275f;
2017-11-15 13:00 <Tampa>         protected float m_lABB2StdX0 = 0.275f;
2017-11-15 13:00 <Tampa>         protected float m_lABB1StdY0 = -0.35f;
2017-11-15 13:01 <Melanie_T> if it's just a handful, then no
2017-11-15 13:02 <Tampa> There are over 20 so I probably should while I'm at it :)
2017-11-15 13:03 <Melanie_T> depends also on what they're used for
2017-11-15 13:03 <Melanie_T> if they're heavily used in math the dictionray becomes inefficient
2017-11-15 13:10 <Ubit> those ABB blabla WILL be deleted
2017-11-15 13:11 <Melanie_T> wth are they?
2017-11-15 13:11 <Ubit> raycastV2
2017-11-15 13:11 <Ubit> tunning parameters for it etc
2017-11-15 13:12 <Melanie_T> nothing i wrote then
2017-11-15 13:12 <Melanie_T> as i wrote raycast v1 only
2017-11-15 13:12 <Ubit> as coment
2017-11-15 13:13 <Ubit> "LSL Avatar Bounding Box (lABB), lower (1) and upper (2) standing (Std), Groundsitting (Grs), Sitting (Sit), along X, Y and Z axes, constants (0) and coefficients (1)
2017-11-15 13:13 <Ubit> the DAMM thing is FIXED grrr
2017-11-15 13:13 <Ubit> whatever :)
2017-11-15 13:16 <Melanie_T> if they're needed at all, they should have been expressed as Tuples of Vector3
2017-11-15 13:16 <Melanie_T> not a 6 floats per
2017-11-15 13:16 <Melanie_T> as*
2017-11-15 13:17 <Melanie_T> Tuple<Vector3, Vector3>
2017-11-15 13:17 <Ubit> that code will go just out or simplifeid as bullet rays prove ok
2017-11-15 13:17 <Melanie_T> sure
2017-11-15 13:17 <Melanie_T> just saying, the representation chosen was wrong
2017-11-15 13:18 <Ubit> yeap
2017-11-15 13:25 <smxy_> [05:47] <Melanie_T> smxy_: I don't have the bandwidth to do the integration and usually only one person works on a branch. So it will be ready to use for all grids sooner if it's in master
2017-11-15 13:26 <smxy_> So, you just dump it into Master and expect that someone else will fix it up? You'd never accept a code dump like that from someone else. I also seem to recall that you have stated you won't be made to do anything you don't want to, yet here you are, seemingly expecting that someone else will clean up your contribution.
2017-11-15 13:26 <Ubit> ufff
2017-11-15 13:27 <Melanie_T> i used to work on opensim full time. that isn't the case anymore
2017-11-15 13:27 <Ubit> im writing a email about that
2017-11-15 13:27 <Melanie_T> i've donated the heavy lifting code
2017-11-15 13:27 <Melanie_T> all that's needed is some glue
2017-11-15 13:27 <Melanie_T> and yes i'm hoping that someone else steps up because it will be weeks until i have time to spare
2017-11-15 13:29 <Ubit> "
2017-11-15 13:29 <Ubit> Hi,
2017-11-15 13:29 <Ubit> 	Read it this way...
2017-11-15 13:29 <Ubit> 	It is a code donation to help start work on a Robust service that she at the moment does not have time to do herself.
2017-11-15 13:29 <Ubit> 	That does not mean others will not do it.
2017-11-15 13:29 <Ubit> 	
2017-11-15 13:29 <Ubit> Ubit
2017-11-15 13:29 <Ubit> "
2017-11-15 13:30 <Ubit> clear ?
2017-11-15 15:13 <JeffKelley> what is eating my ram ? there has been nobody on grid since bootup : http://151.80.154.119/ram.png
2017-11-15 15:19 <Tampa> On linux: apt install htop
2017-11-15 15:21 <JeffKelley> htop is a snapshot, collectd makes time graphs. 0.9 eats all my ram in 2 weeks, see left
2017-11-15 15:23 <Tampa> Its used memory so its not caches, maybe mono or you are just running too much and the initial memory usage just seems like you have headroom left
2017-11-15 15:23 <Tampa> Is everything equally gaining memory or just simulators?
2017-11-15 15:24 <Plugh> JeffKelley, If you are using 0.9 in grid configuration it is probably Robust eating up memory.
2017-11-15 15:25 <JeffKelley> i use 0.9 in grid configuration. i also upgraded MONO recently and this may be the ram eater
2017-11-15 15:25 <Tampa> Oh yeah that got really hungry as of late that's true, split the services up like presence and such and see which one is the memory eater
2017-11-15 15:25 <Plugh> JeffKelley, I've seen it happen in two different grids. The more activity in the grid the faster it eats memory.
2017-11-15 15:26 <Tampa> Presence and inventory like to eat like pigs
2017-11-15 15:26 <JeffKelley> oh !
2017-11-15 15:27 <JeffKelley> rebooting the grid every 15 day is not big issue but, you know, we are used to stability now
2017-11-15 15:28 <JeffKelley> next thing on my to-do list is the rolling restart
2017-11-15 15:28 <Plugh> You are doing ok if you only need to restart Robust every 15 days. I have to do it 3 times a day.
2017-11-15 15:28 <Tampa> cron is your friend :)
2017-11-15 15:33 <Tampa> https://pastebin.com/eGaEqqRA Gotta say the dictionary really does make more sense, also less lines to write :D
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2017-11-15 17:21 <djphil> Do you have an idea where I could put the information in the wiki for the new CONSTANT LSL used in OpenSimulator only ?
2017-11-15 17:25 <JeffKelley> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OSSL_Constants
2017-11-15 17:26 <djphil> It's already better than anything I've found :)
2017-11-15 17:27 <djphil> and sow be the right place, thank you Jeff... :)
2017-11-15 17:42 <djphil> Hope is good @ http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OSSL_Constants#LlGetAgentList_.28.29_function
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2017-11-15 22:22 <osmantis> Bug #8266:04 Feature Wish: configurable persistent mute-list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8266 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-11-15 22:25 <osmantis> Bug #8266:04 Feature Wish: configurable persistent mute-list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8266 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008262.
2017-11-15 22:25 <osmantis> Bug #8262:04 Feature Request: permanent storage of mute list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8262 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008266.
2017-11-15 22:36 <osmantis> Bug #8267:04 Make all standard LL-Function delays configurable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8267 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-11-15 22:36 <osmantis> Bug #8267:04 Make all standard LL-Function delays configurable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8267 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2017-11-15 23:06 <osmantis> Bug #8266:04 Feature Wish: configurable persistent mute-list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8266 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-15 23:20 <osmantis> Bug #8266:04 Feature Wish: configurable persistent mute-list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8266 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-15 23:26 <osmantis> Bug #8267:04 Make all standard LL-Function delays configurable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8267 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-11-16 02:49 <Plugh> wtf? I'm getting a complaint that I have an argument list mismatch for a function. The function has been commented out and it still complains about it.
2017-11-16 05:48 <osmantis> Bug #7228:04 Var terrain loading (still) terrible slow. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7228 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-16 11:05 <osmantis> Bug #8266:04 Feature Wish: configurable persistent mute-list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8266 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-16 11:30 <osmantis> Bug #8266:04 Feature Wish: configurable persistent mute-list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8266 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-16 13:02 <osmantis> Bug #8266:04 Feature Wish: configurable persistent mute-list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8266 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-16 13:25 <osmantis> Bug #8266:04 Feature Wish: configurable persistent mute-list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8266 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-11-16 17:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #5829 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5827 2 days 14 hr ago)
2017-11-16 17:54 <Ubit> err fail ?? what fail ??
2017-11-16 17:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5829: STILL FAILING in 3 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5829/
2017-11-16 17:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add missing part of mutes list protocol
2017-11-16 17:59 <Ubit> silly jenkins or mono  grrr
2017-11-16 18:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #5830 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #5827 2 days 14 hr ago)
2017-11-16 18:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5830: STILL FAILING in 40 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5830/
2017-11-16 18:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: try kick jenkins/nant
2017-11-16 18:14 <Ubit> GRRRR
2017-11-16 18:20 <BillBlight> Kick it harder
2017-11-16 18:25 <Plugh> How can you check the contents of ones mutelist in Firestorm without going through the process of (un)muting something?
2017-11-16 18:26 <Ubit> its on menu somewhere
2017-11-16 18:26 <Plugh> yea, I figured it was somewhere. I was hoping someone might know where.
2017-11-16 18:27 <Plugh> FS lets you search Preferences. They need a feature where you can search the rest of the menus.
2017-11-16 18:27 <Ubit> no
2017-11-16 18:27 <Ubit> its on People
2017-11-16 18:27 <Plugh> Ah. Comm -> Block List
2017-11-16 18:27 <Ubit> sig is menu
2017-11-16 18:28 <Ubit> ahh that also.. opens the same
2017-11-16 18:28 <Ubit> grrr why it that jenkins failing to comp something that does compile on VS ans msbuild
2017-11-16 18:29 <Plugh> Why is my mutelist module not removing entries from the DB table?  :P
2017-11-16 18:32 <BillBlight> it compiles with xbuild on linxu as well, but nant fails ... <shrug>
2017-11-16 18:33 <Ubit> even with the new prebuild.exe of httptests?
2017-11-16 18:37 <BillBlight> yes fails with nant on httptests
2017-11-16 18:37 <BillBlight> but does not fail on my fork, so I must have changed something that I have since forgotten
2017-11-16 18:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #5831 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #5827 2 days 14 hr ago)
2017-11-16 18:50 <Ubit> ZzzZZZzzZZzzzz
2017-11-16 18:51 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2017-11-16 18:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5831: FIXED in 5 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5831/
2017-11-16 18:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: try kick jenkins/nant 2
2017-11-16 18:54 <osmantis> Bug #8266:04 Feature Wish: configurable persistent mute-list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8266 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-16 19:02 <Ubit> what type of mutes module are you doing plugh ?
2017-11-16 19:02 <Ubit> php or robust ?
2017-11-16 19:03 <Plugh> I just decided to spend a little bit of time to see if I can finish off my PHP based one.
2017-11-16 19:03 <Ubit> ok
2017-11-16 19:03 <Ubit> my turn to go eat :p
2017-11-16 19:04 <Plugh> I need to work on the passing of data between the module and the PHP code.
2017-11-16 19:04 <Plugh> ok, enjoy.
2017-11-16 19:04 <Ubit> ty
2017-11-16 19:04 <BillBlight> 
ACTION waits for PHP based one ... LOL :P

2017-11-16 19:05 <BillBlight> Would be nice to have the PHP based one, then could manage your mute and block list from a web based profile ..  
2017-11-16 19:05 <Plugh> Ah. I think I need to build an XML response packet.
2017-11-16 19:06 <Plugh> Bill, even with one in core it would save the info to a DB so it could still be managed via a web browser.
2017-11-16 19:06 <BillBlight> yeah I know
2017-11-16 19:07 <BillBlight> just if you do a php one, you would have all the queries already there, and would just require a hook into them
2017-11-16 19:07 <Plugh> True.
2017-11-16 19:15 <djphil> What do exactly this module ?
2017-11-16 19:18 <BillBlight> allows storing of your mute and block lsits on the server instead of only in your viewers cache, so they are persistent rather than being volatile
2017-11-16 19:20 <djphil> i see, ty ;)
2017-11-16 19:21 <djphil> It will be something to add in my osofflineim so then :)
2017-11-16 19:22 <BillBlight> well Plugh's PHP module might might, but the xmutes one , is simplly server side .. I like the idea of the PHP based one, allows more things to be hooked into it ..
2017-11-16 19:23 <djphil> yes, me too
2017-11-16 19:23 <BillBlight> which is the main reason I don't use V2 groups, much easier with the old style groups to hook into them, as the framework is already there ..
2017-11-16 19:23 <djphil> here is mine but only for offline im's
2017-11-16 19:23 <djphil> https://github.com/djphil/osofflineim
2017-11-16 19:24 <djphil> already using pdo ...
2017-11-16 19:24 <BillBlight> Yeah I saw yours djphil, but as I already use jopensim, was kind of redundant for my purposes ..
2017-11-16 19:25 <djphil> you are not alone on the earth :p
2017-11-16 19:25 <djphil> mine is to share :)
2017-11-16 19:26 <djphil> have you tested the mod_opensim_balance yet BillBlight ?
2017-11-16 19:28 <BillBlight> I don't use foto50's money module, so it really does me no good, but I did install it by accident ..
2017-11-16 19:30 <djphil> Hmmm you made your custom money module ^^
2017-11-16 19:31 <BillBlight> No I use gloebits , but my grid has very little to do with money, really only get's used for  tipping the entertainers
2017-11-16 19:31 <djphil> Ho i see
2017-11-16 19:31 <djphil> i mean just for testing ...
2017-11-16 19:32 <BillBlight> On my test grid, I had a custom one, and tested foto50's a while back.  But my test grid is offline right now, powersupply blew in my test server and those things are pricey
2017-11-16 19:33 <djphil> Arfff :(
2017-11-16 19:35 <BillBlight> yeah it is an 1800 watt server power supply , not getting one anytime soon unless I find a good used one ..
2017-11-16 19:35 <djphil> try this olschool one :) https://bike-cafe.fr/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/dynamo-old.jpg
2017-11-16 19:35 <djphil> school*
2017-11-16 19:38 <djphil> Strange, i have commented out the twoo line in opensim.ini for Mute module and i recieve red warrning's on console about HG IM SERVICE
2017-11-16 19:38 <djphil> https://pastebin.com/pyGey9CV
2017-11-16 19:39 <djphil> This is related ?
2017-11-16 19:39 <BillBlight> commenting that out will break offline IM at the moment
2017-11-16 19:39 <BillBlight> if using an external service , evidently
2017-11-16 19:40 <osmantis> Bug #8266:04 Feature Wish: configurable persistent mute-list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8266 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-16 19:40 <djphil> osg use it
2017-11-16 19:43 <BillBlight> I'm sure OSG has not updated to the new code yet, so commenting those out will break offline IM , pretty sure 
2017-11-16 19:51 <Plugh> Grr... I wish someone would fix WinGridProxy and make it stable.  :P
2017-11-16 19:54 <Plugh> I'll have to figure out how to use wireshark to capture some data passing between viewer and grid code.  :(
2017-11-16 20:09 <djphil> The Dwell Module use any database ?
2017-11-16 20:34 <Plugh> djphil: yes
2017-11-16 20:36 <djphil> what is the name of it ?
2017-11-16 20:36 <Plugh> it is stored in the land table.
2017-11-16 20:37 <djphil> ha ok
2017-11-16 20:37 <djphil> ty!
2017-11-16 20:37 <Plugh> yw
2017-11-16 20:37 <djphil> what is the difference with the Barosonix-Dwell-Module, you know ?
2017-11-16 20:39 <Plugh> Difference between it and what?
2017-11-16 20:39 <djphil> the Barosonic Dwell Module
2017-11-16 20:39 <djphil> and teh default OpenSim Dwell
2017-11-16 20:40 <djphil> https://github.com/MarcelEdward/Barosonix-Dwell-Module
2017-11-16 20:41 <djphil> eg: The default Dewell allow to get Region AND PArcel Dwell or only region ...
2017-11-16 20:41 <Plugh> I didn't think core OS calculated dwell.
2017-11-16 20:42 <djphil> i see only one row on database, called "Dwell"
2017-11-16 20:43 <djphil> that inclue NPC or not ?
2017-11-16 20:43 <djphil> ability to set that on ini ? ... i don't know
2017-11-16 20:44 <djphil> probably the Barasonic is better ... more configurable ...
2017-11-16 20:44 <Plugh> AFAICT the dwell module in OS doesn't do anything other than handle dwell messages. It doesn't calculate or updated the dwell values.
2017-11-16 20:44 <djphil> i see different values heres ...
2017-11-16 20:46 <Plugh> um... ok. I don't recall ever seeing dwell values other than 0.
2017-11-16 20:47 <djphil> heach parcel create go to the land database, right ?
2017-11-16 20:47 <Plugh> right
2017-11-16 20:47 <djphil> ok then, it is that the inworld deleted package is not deleted in the database.
2017-11-16 20:48 <djphil> i have more 500 parcels here lol (in the database i mean)
2017-11-16 20:49 <djphil> but only 9 regions with 1 parcel inworld ^^
2017-11-16 20:49 <djphil> but i have play with a new lsl script to create/delete  parcels
2017-11-16 20:49 <Plugh> bah! I need to updated my offline.php file for use with PHP 7
2017-11-16 20:50 <djphil> that explain why i have 500 ine my database now :o
2017-11-16 20:50 <djphil> i made the offline IM for PHP7, just download it on my github
2017-11-16 20:50 <Plugh> magic  ;)
2017-11-16 20:51 <djphil> not really magic ... need to be Fixed !
2017-11-16 20:51 <Plugh> Perhaps it is being computed somewhere other than in the dwell module.
2017-11-16 20:51 <djphil> heach deleted must be deleted on the database ...
2017-11-16 20:51 <djphil> no ?
2017-11-16 20:51 <Plugh> huh?
2017-11-16 20:51 <djphil> arfff
2017-11-16 20:53 <djphil> I mean, normally, if I delete a parcel from my region, it should also be removed from the land table in the database. It seems that this is not the case currently because I see more than 500 entries in my table land ... and I do not have 500 parcels
2017-11-16 20:54 <djphil> and as I said earlier, I recently made a script to automatically create and delete parcels on a region. And that's why I have 500 entries in my database. Here ...
2017-11-16 20:55 <djphil> You understand better now ?
2017-11-16 20:55 <Plugh> I would expect the parcel to be removed from the DB but I haven't looked in to that level of detail.
2017-11-16 20:56 <djphil> It may be necessary to make a mantis for this then ...
2017-11-16 20:56 <Plugh> It the parcels aren't removed when they no longer exist I would think it would get confusing. There has to be a way to know what parcels are active for a region and which are not.
2017-11-16 20:57 <Plugh> Its getting late. i should go for a walk before it gets dark.
2017-11-16 20:58 <djphil> walk with the dog ^^
2017-11-16 20:59 <Plugh> No dog here and I've not tried my cat with a harness. Probably wouldn't like it as she doesn't like to even be picked up. It is also raining outside.
2017-11-16 23:38 <osmantis> Bug #8266:04 Feature Wish: configurable persistent mute-list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8266 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-11-17 01:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #5832 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2017-11-17 01:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5832: SUCCESS in 5 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5832/
2017-11-17 01:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: move some sharable items out of Xmute to Framework; add another test mutelistmodule, ignore it
2017-11-17 01:37 <Ubit> no fail? jenkis amases me :p
2017-11-17 01:40 <Ubit> if you are thinking "why not on a branch" shutup :p
2017-11-17 02:15 <djphil_> someone can say me how i can fix this ?
2017-11-17 02:15 <djphil_> CS0234: The type or namespace name 'Physics' does not
2017-11-17 02:15 <djphil_> does not exist in the 'OpenSim.Region' namespace (is an assembly reference missing?)
2017-11-17 02:16 <Ubit> how did you got that �
2017-11-17 02:16 <djphil_> lol ^^
2017-11-17 02:16 <Ubit> did run prebuild ?
2017-11-17 02:16 <djphil_> i try to compile the Dwell Module from barasonic
2017-11-17 02:16 <djphil_> Barasonix*
2017-11-17 02:17 <Ubit> ok so a issue on  its prebuild.xml i guess
2017-11-17 02:17 <djphil_> but seam for 0.8 at now ... i try to get it work with 0.9
2017-11-17 02:17 <djphil_> in pebuild, let me look inside
2017-11-17 02:18 <Ubit> guess you need to had a entry for Region.Physics or something in the right spot
2017-11-17 02:18 <Ubit> ADD not had  grrr
2017-11-17 02:18 <djphil_> i see <Reference name="OpenSim.Region.Physics.Manager"/>
2017-11-17 02:18 <djphil_> and <Reference name="OpenSim.Region.CoreModules"/>
2017-11-17 02:19 <Ubit> and using nant ?
2017-11-17 02:20 <djphil_> yeam mean a reference to nat ?
2017-11-17 02:20 <djphil_> nant*
2017-11-17 02:20 <Ubit> nono
2017-11-17 02:20 <djphil_> i see Nini
2017-11-17 02:20 <Ubit> just i had a fight with nant  ( above )
2017-11-17 02:20 <djphil_> and Mono.Addins
2017-11-17 02:21 <Ubit> nant is worse on those reference things
2017-11-17 02:21 <Ubit> so are you using nant or xbuild ?
2017-11-17 02:22 <djphil_> how i can see that ?
2017-11-17 02:22 <Ubit> man how do you compile ?
2017-11-17 02:22 <djphil_> i run runprebuild.bat and compile.bat
2017-11-17 02:23 <djphil_> from opensim master dev
2017-11-17 02:23 <djphil_> i put the Dwell module inside addon-modules and run the bat
2017-11-17 02:23 <Ubit> ok so win.. no nant
2017-11-17 02:23 <djphil_> yes windows
2017-11-17 02:24 <Ubit> err
2017-11-17 02:24 <Ubit> and dwell did change
2017-11-17 02:24 <djphil_> i don't know what is nant
2017-11-17 02:24 <Ubit> that module is not obsolete
2017-11-17 02:24 <djphil_> i see 2 years on github
2017-11-17 02:24 <djphil_> but in use in osgrid
2017-11-17 02:24 <Ubit> in 0.9  regions now do their dwell math
2017-11-17 02:25 <Ubit> well it may work..  if you manage to compile it :p
2017-11-17 02:25 <djphil_> i hope yes ...
2017-11-17 02:25 <djphil_> that why my question above :p
2017-11-17 02:26 <Ubit> hmm paela is changing osg search to show dwell
2017-11-17 02:26 <djphil_> no ... or i think no
2017-11-17 02:26 <Ubit> it telling not asking :p
2017-11-17 02:26 <djphil_> or maybee yes but what i mean is different
2017-11-17 02:26 <Ubit> what you mean then ?
2017-11-17 02:27 <djphil_> see the url in IM ?
2017-11-17 02:27 <djphil_> that Barasonix, not somthing with search ...
2017-11-17 02:27 <Ubit> well the is obsolete
2017-11-17 02:28 <djphil_> ... it work !
2017-11-17 02:28 <Ubit> what is the github url ?
2017-11-17 02:28 <djphil_> clic to test ;)
2017-11-17 02:28 <djphil_> mom i search the github
2017-11-17 02:28 <Ubit> i say again on 0.9  regions do dwell math
2017-11-17 02:29 <Ubit> have a lm to lbsa ?
2017-11-17 02:29 <djphil_> and how to grab to web interface ?
2017-11-17 02:29 <Ubit> need a module for now 
2017-11-17 02:29 <Ubit> lol
2017-11-17 02:29 <Ubit> have a lm to lbsa ?
2017-11-17 02:30 <djphil_> Whiiiiistle :p
2017-11-17 02:30 <djphil_> No conected to lbsa at now
2017-11-17 02:30 <Ubit> if you have click on it and then AboutLandmark
2017-11-17 02:31 <djphil_> Yeah found ! https://github.com/MarcelEdward/Barosonix-Dwell-Module
2017-11-17 02:31 <djphil_> ha yeah i recieve a IM inworld about dwell in search
2017-11-17 02:31 <djphil_> hehe
2017-11-17 02:32 <Ubit> Yeackk
2017-11-17 02:32 <Ubit> client.OnCompleteMovementToRegion += ClientOnCompleteMovementToRegion;
2017-11-17 02:32 <Ubit> NO NO NO NO 
2017-11-17 02:32 <djphil_> Don't blame me !!!
2017-11-17 02:33 <Ubit> was a module like that what made me add regions dwell math
2017-11-17 02:34 <Ubit> only part of that is needed now
2017-11-17 02:34 <djphil_> you mean in land database ?
2017-11-17 02:34 <Ubit> in land region data
2017-11-17 02:35 <Ubit> parcel.LandData.Dwell is now  updated by regions alone
2017-11-17 02:35 <djphil_> i see only one row "Dwell"
2017-11-17 02:35 <djphil_> look here, more data are collected
2017-11-17 02:35 <djphil_> https://github.com/MarcelEdward/Barosonix-Dwell-Module/blob/master/WebRoot/sql/Dwell2.sql
2017-11-17 02:36 <Ubit> and sending information about all avatars in parcels is a no also
2017-11-17 02:36 <djphil_> ??
2017-11-17 02:37 <Ubit> that module sends a list of avatars on parcels
2017-11-17 02:38 <djphil_> and ?
2017-11-17 02:38 <Ubit> grids have no business on that
2017-11-17 02:39 <djphil_> why ?
2017-11-17 02:39 <Ubit> a thing called privacy ??
2017-11-17 02:40 <djphil_> we can remove this part from the php ...
2017-11-17 02:40 <Ubit> that module is obsolete as i said
2017-11-17 02:41 <djphil_> see the url i give you ... it work !
2017-11-17 02:42 <Ubit> whatever it is opensource use what you want
2017-11-17 02:43 <Ubit> but do not ask for my suport on regions running that..
2017-11-17 02:44 <djphil_> oki ... i just say "someone" :p
2017-11-17 03:41 <osmantis> Bug #6311:04 llGiveInventoryList no longer functions as expected. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6311 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-17 20:45 <osmantis> Bug #6311:04 llGiveInventoryList no longer functions as expected. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6311 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-17 20:56 <osmantis> Bug #6311:04 llGiveInventoryList no longer functions as expected. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6311 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-17 21:23 <osmantis> Bug #6311:04 llGiveInventoryList no longer functions as expected. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6311 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-17 21:34 <Ubit> Plkug is WRONG
2017-11-17 21:34 <Ubit> regions do calculate dwell now
2017-11-17 21:34 <Ubit> and it is avaiable on all core uses of it
2017-11-17 21:35 <Ubit> it just does not send it to a central DB
2017-11-17 21:39 <Ubit> so yes as i said,  for now some module is need to update a central DB a few times a day,  for uses like search
2017-11-17 21:40 <djphil> Have you planed somethink like "osDwell();" ?
2017-11-17 21:40 <Ubit> that Barosonix module is NOT IT
2017-11-17 21:41 <Ubit> as i said, it does hook on region time critical events, and does web connections on them
2017-11-17 21:41 <djphil> no, i mean for the default opensim Dwell improvments you made this last days ...
2017-11-17 21:42 <Ubit> we need a simple module..  that just sends dwell and mininal region and parcels info that search needs
2017-11-17 21:42 <Ubit> or other grid stats..
2017-11-17 21:42 <Ubit> 2 or 3 times a day only
2017-11-17 21:42 <Ubit> bc Dwell is pre 23 hours by spec
2017-11-17 21:42 <Ubit> 24hours
2017-11-17 21:43 <djphil> that's what you've been working on for a few days now?
2017-11-17 21:43 <Ubit> no
2017-11-17 21:43 <djphil> ha ok ...
2017-11-17 21:43 <Ubit> im not working on that
2017-11-17 21:43 <djphil> you don't say you made some new math for him ?
2017-11-17 21:43 <Ubit> the service for now is a external thing to core
2017-11-17 21:44 <Ubit> ( search service )
2017-11-17 21:44 <Ubit> that was done months ago if not more than a year
2017-11-17 21:44 <Ubit> log at osg
2017-11-17 21:44 <djphil> you mean the php search using a custom dwell module ?
2017-11-17 21:44 <Ubit> get a lbsa lm
2017-11-17 21:44 <Ubit> see its about LM
2017-11-17 21:45 <Ubit> or any busy region..
2017-11-17 21:45 <Ubit> event plaza  traffic : 7550
2017-11-17 21:46 <Ubit> and that is core dwell
2017-11-17 21:46 <Ubit> regions do tell it on parcels info request
2017-11-17 21:47 <djphil> i search this landmark lol where is it ???
2017-11-17 21:47 <Ubit> you make your landmarks :p
2017-11-17 21:47 <Ubit> or just go there
2017-11-17 21:48 <Ubit> and see parcel details
2017-11-17 21:48 <djphil> nothing in the LM ...
2017-11-17 21:49 <djphil> but i see Traffic working in About Land ...
2017-11-17 21:49 <Ubit> ( that module also didn not made all this parcesl info work..  only the search thing )
2017-11-17 21:49 <djphil> ok i see
2017-11-17 21:49 <Ubit> as i said.. that module os Obsolete now.. and it is BAD
2017-11-17 21:49 <djphil> and have you planed a ossl function to get it
2017-11-17 21:50 <Ubit> possible that is there on some lsl/ossl..  don't remember
2017-11-17 21:50 <djphil> i don't know any lsl do that ...
2017-11-17 21:50 <djphil> or any ossl ;)
2017-11-17 21:51 <Ubit> well easy to add
2017-11-17 21:51 <djphil> planed ?
2017-11-17 21:51 <Ubit> but trafic is a SL comercial concept
2017-11-17 21:51 <djphil> arff again ^^
2017-11-17 21:52 <Ubit> many SL  really funny regions have it  close to 0
2017-11-17 21:52 <Ubit> so... yeah yeah...
2017-11-17 21:53 <djphil> definition of funny isn't the same for me and for you i see ;)
2017-11-17 21:53 <Ubit> don't know how you can see that from this...  but whatever :p
2017-11-17 21:54 <Plugh> djphil: What are you working on today?
2017-11-17 21:55 <djphil> today Plugh, i try to get the SinpostMarv mapapi.js working with jopensim
2017-11-17 21:55 <djphil> http://mapapi.net/secondlife/
2017-11-17 21:55 <djphil> similar ...
2017-11-17 21:55 <djphil> Why this question Plugh ? ^^
2017-11-17 21:57 <Plugh> djphil: I saw you talking with Ubit and he mentioned it being possible of something in lsl/ossl. Just wondering what that might have been.
2017-11-17 21:58 <djphil> Sorry Ubit, I just misunderstood what you said. So I answered something that has no connection, sorry ;)
2017-11-17 21:58 <Plugh> ooh... that mapapi.net thing looks interesting. You really get to see a lot of detail.
2017-11-17 21:59 <djphil> Traffic details ? ^^
2017-11-17 22:00 <djphil> Bhoooo
2017-11-17 22:00 <Ubit> what i was telling about dwell/trafic  is that i do not consider it a good regions qualification, as sl  made it
2017-11-17 22:00 <Ubit> guess most core doesn't  either.. so did not get much care
2017-11-17 22:01 <djphil> it's just an information ubit ...
2017-11-17 22:01 <Plugh> The way SL calculated dwell seemed a bit complicated.
2017-11-17 22:01 <Ubit> im not using same math
2017-11-17 22:02 <Ubit> but i did explained that here already when i made it :p
2017-11-17 22:02 <djphil> The pleasure is si "Traffic" working
2017-11-17 22:02 <djphil> Usage is free ...
2017-11-17 22:02 <Ubit> actually this issue is a bit necrobump as mel said :p
2017-11-17 22:03 <Plugh> yea, I remember something about that. It wasn't easy to understand the method SL used to determine dwell.
2017-11-17 22:04 <Melanie_T> there isn't a way that dwell can be calculated easily
2017-11-17 22:04 <Plugh> Ubit, do you remember what method you chose for calculating dwell?
2017-11-17 22:04 <Melanie_T> i have a working dwell system
2017-11-17 22:04 <djphil> There are more old Dev's SL here?
2017-11-17 22:04 <Melanie_T> but it requires, again, a central database server
2017-11-17 22:05 <Melanie_T> plus a few scripts on the server that run daily
2017-11-17 22:05 <Ubit> i use something that raises at a rate and decays at another
2017-11-17 22:05 <Melanie_T> any sort of approximation is fine in the end
2017-11-17 22:06 <Plugh> One simple way to do something related to activity in a region is do something based on the number of minutes spent by avatars in region averaged by the number of avatars.
2017-11-17 22:06 <Melanie_T> in avn, we calculated dwell and showed it in the parcels
2017-11-17 22:06 <Melanie_T> but we didn't use it for sorting in search
2017-11-17 22:06 <Melanie_T> because the "dwell" concept just makes the big ones get bigger
2017-11-17 22:06 <Plugh> I don't know if anyone is paying attention to dwell numbers in OS.
2017-11-17 22:06 <Melanie_T> and new comers fail
2017-11-17 22:06 <Ubit> well that did not come with merge.. but  it is working now
2017-11-17 22:07 <djphil> Why do you find this Dwell so complicated, I do not understand ... There is so much lsl script counters, it's the same thing about no?
2017-11-17 22:07 <Melanie_T> no, as i said, my avn dwell system was too complex to merge
2017-11-17 22:07 <Ubit> at least doing something :)
2017-11-17 22:07 <Melanie_T> what with needing not only a database but server process as well
2017-11-17 22:07 <Plugh> Ubit, true.
2017-11-17 22:07 <Melanie_T> it was tied in with avn's web search
2017-11-17 22:07 <Melanie_T> running on apache
2017-11-17 22:07 <Plugh> Melanie_T: I don't think it would have been worth the effort.
2017-11-17 22:07 <Ubit> regions do the main math now mel
2017-11-17 22:07 <Melanie_T> no, that's why i left it out
2017-11-17 22:08 <Ubit> ( not claiming it is perfect ;) )
2017-11-17 22:08 <Ubit> but is its there and fast
2017-11-17 22:09 <djphil> :)
2017-11-17 22:23 <Ubit> reason why will not do a module or code to let grd know trafic is bc that issue is part of a deeper
2017-11-17 22:23 <Ubit> one
2017-11-17 22:24 <Ubit> grid awerness of  regions online and their details
2017-11-17 22:25 <Ubit> we do have a few issues related to that
2017-11-17 22:25 <Ubit> and also we do not have a parcels ID
2017-11-17 22:26 <Ubit> have a workaorund on that, that has a few issues
2017-11-17 22:46 <Plugh> In 082 a reasonable goal for well behaved scripts is to have a runtime of 1 or less. Has anyone worked out what the equivalent runtime would be in 09?
2017-11-17 22:51 <Ubit> same issue
2017-11-17 22:51 <Ubit> it is still Xengine
2017-11-17 22:52 <Ubit> all script events should be short
2017-11-17 22:52 <Ubit> ( and think it is 300ms not 1000ms )
2017-11-17 22:53 <Plugh> I was going to find a few of the bad scripts I've fixed for people and check their runtime in both 082 and 09
2017-11-17 22:54 <Ubit> script events are still killed by time...
2017-11-17 22:54 <Ubit> there is a config on that
2017-11-17 22:58 <Plugh> There is a setting about max time for a script that is around 30 seconds.
2017-11-17 23:36 <Ubit> and it is not script time.. its script event time
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2017-11-18 09:44 <djphil> Ubit, have you add math for database table "popularplaces" , row "dwell" ?
2017-11-18 09:49 <Ubit> the added math is internal to regions
2017-11-18 09:49 <Ubit> i dont see that table, is on core ?
2017-11-18 09:50 <djphil> is in profil module i think
2017-11-18 09:50 <djphil> ok search module ...
2017-11-18 09:50 <djphil> or*
2017-11-18 09:51 <Ubit> that is not core
2017-11-18 09:51 <djphil> is used in web search (for viewer feature)
2017-11-18 09:54 <djphil> profile v2 don't create this table ?
2017-11-18 09:54 <Ubit> that is about users not places
2017-11-18 09:57 <djphil> https://pastebin.com/Bx09ncvJ
2017-11-18 09:58 <Ubit> where does that came from ?
2017-11-18 09:58 <djphil> web search
2017-11-18 09:58 <djphil> same as osgrid
2017-11-18 09:58 <Ubit> do we have any web search on core ?
2017-11-18 10:00 <djphil> one part of websearch is Group v2
2017-11-18 10:00 <djphil> or Profile v2
2017-11-18 10:00 <djphil> but module search is external
2017-11-18 10:01 <djphil> is a mix :p
2017-11-18 10:01 <Ubit> and you are asking about external parts
2017-11-18 10:01 <djphil> ok
2017-11-18 10:02 <Ubit> bc as i said, we do not provice grid site store or update of parcels dwell
2017-11-18 10:02 <Ubit> that is on regions only for now
2017-11-18 10:03 <Ubit> what web search pack is that ?
2017-11-18 10:03 <djphil> is a old php code
2017-11-18 10:04 <djphil> i see last update 2015
2017-11-18 10:04 <djphil> * @package OpenSim Search page for viewers
2017-11-18 10:04 <djphil> * @file    osviewersearch.php
2017-11-18 10:04 <djphil> * @start   May 26, 2013
2017-11-18 10:04 <djphil> * @author  Christopher Strachan
2017-11-18 10:04 <djphil> * @license http://www.opensource.org/licenses/gpl-license.php
2017-11-18 10:04 <djphil> * @version 2.2.0a
2017-11-18 10:04 <djphil> * @updated Nov 30, 2015
2017-11-18 10:04 <djphil> is the same as Osg, you see ?
2017-11-18 10:11 <Ubit> seems related to work by fly-man
2017-11-18 10:13 <Ubit> https://github.com/OS-Development/OpenSim.Search does seem to have more needed stauff
2017-11-18 10:13 <djphil> this is not exactly the same ...
2017-11-18 10:14 <djphil> this is more recent url for the OpenSim.Search you send above : https://github.com/kcozens/OpenSimSearch
2017-11-18 10:15 <Ubit> ahh ok thats the osg one
2017-11-18 10:15 <djphil> no that not the osg one
2017-11-18 10:15 <djphil> i mean for the web part
2017-11-18 10:16 <djphil> (viewer feature)
2017-11-18 10:17 <djphil> is this one https://github.com/OS-Development/OpenSim-PHP-Related/blob/master/ossearch.php
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2017-11-19 14:45 <osmantis> Bug #8268:04 Avatare who are not in the homegrid dont get notifications of online status from friends. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8268 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
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2017-11-21 18:48 <osmantis> Bug #8268:04 Avatars who are not in the homegrid dont get notifications of online status from friends. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8268 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-21 19:00 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid
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2017-11-22 19:56 <ssm2017> hello
2017-11-22 19:57 <ssm2017> is it well known that "mono OpenSim.exe" is returning an error when receiving a SIGQUIT ? (i am asking here before filling a mantis)
2017-11-22 20:05 <Plugh> which version of mono are you using?
2017-11-22 20:05 <Bill_Blight> Yep, pretty well known
2017-11-22 20:08 <ssm2017> Plugh 5.0.215 or 4.6.2.16 with HEAD
2017-11-22 20:09 <ssm2017> do you know a working version of mono to be used with HEAD and able to manage SIGQUIT ?
2017-11-22 20:09 <Plugh> ssm2017: ok. I can't say I've seen that issue
2017-11-22 20:10 <Bill_Blight> mono posix support is awful, never had any luck with it myself ... <shrug>
2017-11-22 20:11 <ssm2017> my plan is to control a simulator using docker, do you maybe have a solution to stop the sim gracefully when using "docker stop" ?
2017-11-22 20:12 <Plugh> oh, you were trying to send SIGQUIT signal to the process to make it shutdown? 
2017-11-22 20:12 <Bill_Blight> looking here, I don't even see SIGQUIT, maybe I am missing something ... Mono.Unix.UnixSignal
2017-11-22 20:12 <Bill_Blight> oops
2017-11-22 20:13 <Bill_Blight> https://github.com/mono/mono/blob/master/mcs/class/Mono.Posix/Mono.Unix/UnixSignal.cs
2017-11-22 20:13 <Bill_Blight> three
2017-11-22 20:13 <Bill_Blight> there
2017-11-22 20:13 <Bill_Blight> damn can't type
2017-11-22 20:13 <Bill_Blight> I don't know about docker, but I usually just send the commands to the screen via a script
2017-11-22 20:14 <ssm2017> Plugh when using docker, the process "mono OpenSim.exe" has the pid 1. and when using "docker stop", it sends a SIGQUIT to the process 1 and if no answer in 10 secs, it kills the container
2017-11-22 20:14 <ssm2017> no need to use screen with docker
2017-11-22 20:15 <ssm2017> actually, i need to set up a custom command to send first a "quit" using radmin and then wait few seconds and kill the container....
2017-11-22 20:15 <Plugh> I don't know anything about docker.
2017-11-22 20:16 <Plugh> perhaps a few more than a few seconds. It can take a while to do the shutdown.
2017-11-22 20:16 <Bill_Blight> yeah, and I'd issue shutdown instead of  quit
2017-11-22 20:17 <ssm2017> :)
2017-11-22 20:17 <Bill_Blight> If the sim is busy, it can actually take a while to shutdown
2017-11-22 20:18 <ssm2017> shutdown is an alias of quit isnt it ?
2017-11-22 20:18 <Bill_Blight> yes it is the same thing, I was just being cheeky
2017-11-22 20:19 <ssm2017> :)
2017-11-22 20:34 <Plugh> You can also type just "shut"
2017-11-22 20:34 <Plugh> :)
2017-11-22 20:35 <osmantis> Bug #8269:04 SIGQUIT is not interpreted by "mono OpenSim.exe" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8269 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-11-22 20:39 <Plugh> ssm2017: Are you sending SIGQUIT to mono or to the PID of OpenSim.exe?
2017-11-22 20:41 <ssm2017> the process is "mono OpenSim.exe" because OpenSim.exe is not the main program
2017-11-22 20:41 <ssm2017> JeffKelley just sent me to the wiki to see that this is a functionnality and not a bug : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Debugging#Thread_Dumps
2017-11-22 20:44 <osmantis> Bug #8269:04 SIGQUIT is not interpreted by "mono OpenSim.exe" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8269 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-22 20:44 <Tampa> You don't have to kill the container at all, you bind docker to the pid and then send the shutdown command to the simulator, once it finishes shutdown and the process closes docker will kill itself... or so I been told anyways I don't use docker
2017-11-22 20:45 <Plugh> mono is probably swallowing the SIGQUIT and not passing it to OS
2017-11-22 20:46 <ssm2017> maybe Plugh (i hope that Melanie_T or Ubit will tell us their opinion to be able to update the wiki with the reason)
2017-11-22 20:47 <ssm2017> yes Tampa no need to kill the container, it stops itself when OpenSim.exe has finished its shutdown process
2017-11-22 20:50 <Tampa> I would handle this through a script, attach the container, shutdown OpenSim, rest should be automatic I would think
2017-11-22 20:51 <Tampa> Runs in there similar to screen I would think?
2017-11-22 20:53 <ssm2017> i am actually using radmin to send a "quit" command but i could use "screen" or "tmux" or maybe send a "quit" to the stdin
2017-11-22 20:54 <Tampa> If you docker attach the container do you get OpenSim console output? If so you can just docker exec -it containerid command sending "shutdown" to it
2017-11-22 20:56 <ssm2017> yes, i could do this also (there are several ways to workaround but the best would be that mono could manage and send SIGQUIT to the simulator :) )
2017-11-22 20:57 <Tampa> It would also be nice if pressing X on windows would do a shutdown rather than a task kill
2017-11-22 21:00 <ssm2017> :)
2017-11-22 21:08 <Bill_Blight> would be nice if I won the lottery but hey , can't have everything ...
2017-11-22 21:09 <Tampa> Well if implementing handling of kill commands is the name of the game might as well do it for all platforms, just fair that way :)
2017-11-22 21:09 <ssm2017> yes, some can have everything (or almost)
2017-11-22 21:12 <ssm2017> if opensimulator is able to send a dump when receiving a SIGQUIT, why not start the shutdown process instead and use another signal to dump ?
2017-11-22 21:13 <Tampa> sigabrt would probably be a good for that
2017-11-22 21:16 <JeffKelley> are you sure SIGQUIT is catched by opensimulator and not MONO ?
2017-11-22 21:17 <ssm2017> not sure
2017-11-22 21:17 <Tampa> I don't think OpenSim catches any of the kills, though I don't even know where such code would be to begin with
2017-11-22 21:24 <ssm2017> i can see something here : http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=viewblob&p=opensim&h=176e876af3dd10fb6c1af658ea227fdb379b8c0a&hb=1e3cb827562f580aea60deab640f98078107e8a3&f=OpenSim/Server/Base/ServicesServerBase.cs
2017-11-22 21:25 <ssm2017> line 190
2017-11-22 21:25 <ssm2017> and here : http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=viewblob&p=opensim&h=fcc87177a6f6ff989095b214f247c7625dc9ffce&hb=1e3cb827562f580aea60deab640f98078107e8a3&f=OpenSim/Region/Application/OpenSim.cs
2017-11-22 21:25 <ssm2017> line 158
2017-11-22 21:25 <JeffKelley> look this patch : http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8090
2017-11-22 21:26 <ssm2017> i will read my console logs to see if i have the message
2017-11-22 21:29 <ssm2017> JeffKelley it looks like this patch was merged because the SIGTERM is managed (depending on the mono version) but it kills the process instead of shuting down the simulator
2017-11-22 21:30 <Tampa> So copy pasta, change to SIGQUIT and redirect to the shutdown routine, can't be that hard...
2017-11-22 21:30 <ssm2017> :)
2017-11-22 21:31 <JeffKelley> problem doing a orderly shutdown this way is that signals are one-way, you don't know when the shutdown is actually complete
2017-11-22 21:32 <Tampa> exit codes?
2017-11-22 21:32 <JeffKelley> exit codes are passed to parent process
2017-11-22 21:33 <Tampa> what else would you want it to do?
2017-11-22 21:33 <Tampa> print to cli that it stopped OpenSim with pid so and so?
2017-11-22 21:36 <JeffKelley> usually, you don't shutdown the host ; it does not matter *when* the simulator exited
2017-11-22 21:36 <JeffKelley> if I understand ssm2017's need, it's shutting down the host/container
2017-11-22 21:37 <ssm2017> no JeffKelley not exactly
2017-11-22 21:37 <ssm2017> i would like to gracefully shutdown the simulator and when done, the container shutdown itself because no more process to run
2017-11-22 21:38 <ssm2017> docker is sending a "SIGQUIT" to the main process when using the command "docker stop"
2017-11-22 21:39 <JeffKelley> what is the "main process" ?
2017-11-22 21:39 <ssm2017> the main process is "mono OpenSim.exe"
2017-11-22 21:40 <ssm2017> inside of docker containers you can run only one process and the one has pid 1
2017-11-22 21:40 <JeffKelley> ok, it sends a SIGQUIT then shutdown itself blindly ?
2017-11-22 21:41 <ssm2017> exact
2017-11-22 21:41 <ssm2017> if no reaction in 10 secs, the container itself is killed
2017-11-22 21:42 <ssm2017> it does not shutdown itself blindly
2017-11-22 21:42 <ssm2017> it shutdowns itself when no more process are running
2017-11-22 21:42 <JeffKelley> if you want a true orderly simulator shutdown, you have to wait for process 1 to quit
2017-11-22 21:44 <Tampa> which is why I suggested to send shutdown into the docker container and wait for OpenSim to shutdown after which the container should exit on its own anyways just like screen in daemon mode
2017-11-22 21:45 <Tampa> Same issue with not knowing when it is shutdown, but then again that's not hard to test for either, you can just periodically test if it is still running and consuming more than 1% cpu, which would indicate it is still saving data to disk
2017-11-22 21:45 <ssm2017> Tampa this is a workaround and not the "normal" way. the usual way is to use "docker stop <container>"
2017-11-22 21:46 <JeffKelley> and nuke everything 10 s after
2017-11-22 21:46 <ssm2017> if running without screen, i do not need to wait (or test) the shutdown to stop the container because it stops itself
2017-11-22 21:46 <Tampa> I am not saying run screen inside docker
2017-11-22 21:47 <ssm2017> actually : i run a container ---> i send "quit" using radmin ---> the sim shutdowns itself ---> so the container stops itself too
2017-11-22 21:47 <JeffKelley> seems clean
2017-11-22 21:48 <Tampa> which is as graceful as you can get in the face of a 10 second stop timeout, which would cancel any normal OpenSim shutdown potentially corrupting data
2017-11-22 21:49 <Tampa> Just send the command using docker attach or docker exec and while loop (if docker container still there) and once false you have confirmed shutdown gracefully
2017-11-22 21:50 <ssm2017> this is the same as using radmin
2017-11-22 21:52 <ssm2017> i am trying to find a way to send the "quit" + enter command to the container when running with using the docker web API instead of radmin
2017-11-22 21:55 <JeffKelley> radmin is not an option  ? 
2017-11-22 21:57 <ssm2017> radmin is optionnal
2017-11-22 21:57 <JeffKelley> can you run a script inside the container from the docker webAPI ?
2017-11-22 21:57 <Tampa> https://docs.docker.com/engine/api/v1.33/#operation/ContainerAttach ? 
2017-11-22 21:59 <Tampa> container stop has a -t option to specify the wait time, could set that to something really high avoiding potential process kill before shutdown finishes
2017-11-22 21:59 <ssm2017> JeffKelley this is what i would like to be able to do
2017-11-22 22:00 <ssm2017> Tampa thank you for pointing me to the "attach" api command, i was using it with command line and did not see that i can use it also with the web API
2017-11-22 22:00 <JeffKelley> is yes, run a script submitting "quit\n" ro radmin and you are done
2017-11-22 22:01 <ssm2017> i will test the web api "attach" command to do this
2017-11-22 22:01 <Tampa> I'm surprised there is no way to use exec through the api, seems like a vital thing to have... must be something with security I guess
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2017-11-22 22:47 <osmantis> Bug #8269:04 SIGQUIT is not interpreted by "mono OpenSim.exe" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8269 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-22 22:48 <ssm2017> sleep time :)
2017-11-22 22:58 <Tampa> Again, shouldn't be hard to add another definition for sigquit and have that just do the shutdown routine since that code already exists
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2017-11-23 03:04 <Plugh> I need to do some final testing but it looks like I have a working PHP based mutelist module!
2017-11-23 03:15 <smxy_> Nice. Be better if it was 100% internal and needed no external scripts, though.
2017-11-23 03:18 <Plugh> True but at least it is working.
2017-11-23 03:57 <Plugh> I'm wondering what is wrong with the XMute module that Melanie recently pushed. Now that I have the PHP based one working I don't think it would be much work to get XMute working.
2017-11-23 04:07 <smxy_> It's not a Robust module.
2017-11-23 04:08 <Plugh> Why does it have to be a Robust module?
2017-11-23 04:38 <smxy_> So it can be a central service in Robust grids.
2017-11-23 08:51 <osmantis> Bug #8269:04 SIGQUIT is not interpreted by "mono OpenSim.exe" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8269 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008090.
2017-11-23 08:51 <osmantis> Bug #8090:04 UnixSignals setup should be more graceful 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8090 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008269.
2017-11-23 08:53 <osmantis> Bug #8269:04 SIGQUIT is not interpreted by "mono OpenSim.exe" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8269 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-11-23 08:53 <osmantis> Bug #8269:04 SIGQUIT is not interpreted by "mono OpenSim.exe" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8269 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:16 <osmantis> Bug #7062:04 utterly mystifying Syntax error  (parsing error in vector math?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7062 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:17 <osmantis> Bug #7800:04 Login to 0.9 region with empty cache results in new calling card being created for each friend 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7800 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:17 <osmantis> Bug #7800:04 Login to 0.9 region with empty cache results in new calling card being created for each friend 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7800 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:17 <osmantis> Bug #7062:04 utterly mystifying Syntax error  (parsing error in vector math?) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7062 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:18 <osmantis> Bug #7405:04 Unable to HGTP home to a self-hosted region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7405 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:18 <osmantis> Bug #7405:04 Unable to HGTP home to a self-hosted region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7405 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:18 <osmantis> Bug #7795:04 When rezzed, NPCs drift to edge of sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7795 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:18 <osmantis> Bug #7795:04 When rezzed, NPCs drift to edge of sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7795 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:19 <osmantis> Bug #6824:04 script method to get/set materials textures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6824 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:19 <osmantis> Bug #6824:04 script method to get/set materials textures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6824 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:19 <osmantis> Bug #8006:04 Attach Event triggers twice for the first script in a prim with multple scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8006 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:19 <osmantis> Bug #8006:04 Attach Event triggers twice for the first script in a prim with multple scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8006 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:20 <osmantis> Bug #7931:04 osTeleportAgent ignores any supplied rotation value 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7931 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:20 <osmantis> Bug #7931:04 osTeleportAgent ignores any supplied rotation value 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7931 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:20 <osmantis> Bug #7993:04 After being HG for any extended time, on returning to home grid entire FL shows as "Unknown User" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7993 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:20 <osmantis> Bug #7896:04 PRIM_TYPE reports incorrectly when flexi-prim is enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7896 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:20 <osmantis> Bug #7826:04 Console Error re HG Groups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7826 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:21 <osmantis> Bug #7826:04 Console Error re HG Groups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7826 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:21 <osmantis> Bug #7723:04 llSetParcelMusicURL() does not persist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7723 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:21 <osmantis> Bug #7723:04 llSetParcelMusicURL() does not persist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7723 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:21 <osmantis> Bug #7822:04 Parcel group script permssions behaviour different under ubOde vs Bullet 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7822 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:21 <osmantis> Bug #7822:04 Parcel group script permssions behaviour different under ubOde vs Bullet 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7822 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:22 <osmantis> Bug #7797:04 Attachment scripts should work in parcels set to group script permissions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7797 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:22 <osmantis> Bug #7797:04 Attachment scripts should work in parcels set to group script permissions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7797 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:22 <osmantis> Bug #7403:04 Failure to deliver assets to some viewers in a region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7403 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:22 <osmantis> Bug #7403:04 Failure to deliver assets to some viewers in a region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7403 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:22 <osmantis> Bug #6769:04 HG friends issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6769 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:23 <osmantis> Bug #6769:04 HG friends issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6769 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:23 <osmantis> Bug #6603:04 Hypergrid Friends problems between my stand-alone and OSG grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6603 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:23 <osmantis> Bug #6603:04 Hypergrid Friends problems between my stand-alone and OSG grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6603 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:23 <osmantis> Bug #7749:04 llSensorRepeat using type value = 0 never returns a result 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7749 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:23 <osmantis> Bug #7748:04 Sitting on phantom object says warning to chat 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7748 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:24 <osmantis> Bug #7748:04 Sitting on phantom object says warning to chat 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7748 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:24 <osmantis> Bug #7390:04 Script compile error for "if (vector)" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7390 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:24 <osmantis> Bug #7390:04 Script compile error for "if (vector)" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7390 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:24 <osmantis> Bug #7404:04 Terrain editing tools (bulldozer) behaving oddly -- terraforming 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7404 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:24 <osmantis> Bug #7404:04 Terrain editing tools (bulldozer) behaving oddly -- terraforming 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7404 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #7382:04 Constant repeated attempt to access user profile data of unaccessible account generates sim lag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7382 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #7451:04 FLOTSAM - Exception - cache file asset in use by another processs but this is impossible 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7451 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #7451:04 FLOTSAM - Exception - cache file asset in use by another processs but this is impossible 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7451 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #7622:04 [GridService] NoDirectLogin does not prevent HG visitor direct login as it is intended to 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7622 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #7622:04 [GridService] NoDirectLogin does not prevent HG visitor direct login as it is intended to 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7622 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:26 <osmantis> Bug #7407:04 Attempting save of script state for attachments worn by NPC when removing them from scene 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7407 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:26 <osmantis> Bug #7407:04 Attempting save of script state for attachments worn by NPC when removing them from scene 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7407 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:26 <osmantis> Bug #7323:04 V2 Groups restriction on group membership 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7323 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:26 <osmantis> Bug #7323:04 V2 Groups restriction on group membership 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7323 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:26 <osmantis> Bug #7499:04 Odd casting of floats with comma separator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7499 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:26 <osmantis> Bug #7499:04 Odd casting of floats with comma separator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7499 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:27 <osmantis> Bug #6600:04 as of r/22462 some major issue occuring when editing any wearable item - changes not saved 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6600 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:27 <osmantis> Bug #6600:04 as of r/22462 some major issue occuring when editing any wearable item - changes not saved 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6600 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:27 <osmantis> Bug #6574:04 a possibly useful idea relating to an IM sent to a NPC agent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6574 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:27 <osmantis> Bug #6574:04 a possibly useful idea relating to an IM sent to a NPC agent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6574 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:27 <osmantis> Bug #7164:04 Bullet physics has trouble with shallow stairs (even basic prim ones) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7164 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:27 <osmantis> Bug #7164:04 Bullet physics has trouble with shallow stairs (even basic prim ones) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7164 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:28 <osmantis> Bug #7367:04 Standalone HG persisting URLs to regions table when it shouldn't 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7367 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:28 <osmantis> Bug #7367:04 Standalone HG persisting URLs to regions table when it shouldn't 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7367 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:28 <osmantis> Bug #7325:04 NPC sitting on an object and being immediately updated to a different animation does not display this until next scene update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7325 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:28 <osmantis> Bug #7325:04 NPC sitting on an object and being immediately updated to a different animation does not display this until next scene update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7325 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:28 <osmantis> Bug #7293:04 Setting PRIM_BUMP_SHINY on a prim that already has a normal map or specular map fails to clear advanced mats 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7293 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:29 <osmantis> Bug #7293:04 Setting PRIM_BUMP_SHINY on a prim that already has a normal map or specular map fails to clear advanced mats 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7293 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:29 <osmantis> Bug #7019:04 osSetPrimitiveParams can't change an NPC's attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7019 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:29 <osmantis> Bug #7019:04 osSetPrimitiveParams can't change an NPC's attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7019 ): has been CLOSED
2017-11-23 20:29 <osmantis> Bug #7268:04 Relog after crash can cause issues if login completed to different region prior to previous region processing latency logout 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7268 ): has been RESOLVED.
2017-11-23 20:29 <osmantis> Bug #7268:04 Relog after crash can cause issues if login completed to different region prior to previous region processing latency logout 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7268 ): has been CLOSED
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2017-11-25 01:45 <nebadon> anyone know if there is any way to over ride firestorm mesh upload max dimensions it seems to cap at 240m
2017-11-25 01:52 <Tampa> I uploaded an entire mesh terrain for a regular region 256x256, you sure its a cap?
2017-11-25 01:59 <smxy> I've done the same, Tampa.
2017-11-25 02:06 <Tampa> He may be talking about the squashing that is does
2017-11-25 02:06 <Tampa> which, you can just adjust that using the scale
2017-11-25 02:07 <Tampa> like small things you scale up 10x and large things you scale down 10x when doing the collada export
2017-11-25 02:07 <Plugh> Sounds like nebadon is doing another one of his big builds.
2017-11-25 02:08 <Tampa> so the terrains are always 25.6m and then I just resize them to 256m
2017-11-25 02:08 <Tampa> earrings I made last week half a meter on import and 5cm when scaled inworld
2017-11-25 02:09 <Tampa> uploader does not like real scale for any extremes
2017-11-25 02:16 <nebadon> i need something that is like 600m
2017-11-25 02:17 <nebadon> it seems to cap at 240m for me
2017-11-25 02:17 <nebadon> i cant resize
2017-11-25 02:17 <nebadon> it needs to align precisely
2017-11-25 02:17 <nebadon> Singularity allows it
2017-11-25 02:17 <nebadon> but my model is so heavy that singularity cant render it
2017-11-25 02:17 <nebadon> the LODs freak out
2017-11-25 02:17 <nebadon> it looks fine in Firestorm
2017-11-25 02:18 <Tampa> scale it down 10x and export the collada, once imported you can scale it up again
2017-11-25 02:18 <nebadon> I was just trying to avoid having to switch back and forth 
2017-11-25 02:18 <nebadon> thats not really possibe
2017-11-25 02:18 <nebadon> its 100+ peices
2017-11-25 02:18 <nebadon> that only works if its a singular object
2017-11-25 02:18 <nebadon> not a linkset
2017-11-25 02:19 <Tampa> you can scale linksets by holding down ctrl and shift
2017-11-25 02:19 <nebadon> not by the #s
2017-11-25 02:19 <nebadon> which would be only way to do it precisely
2017-11-25 02:19 <nebadon> the model is 1000s of pieces
2017-11-25 02:19 <nebadon> that need to line up exactly
2017-11-25 02:21 <nebadon> these models I do are gigantic
2017-11-25 02:21 <nebadon> 100s of regions
2017-11-25 02:21 <nebadon> this one in particular has really heavy buildings
2017-11-25 02:21 <nebadon> we do City planning projects
2017-11-25 02:22 <Tampa> ever thought about idk cutting it up into pieces to make it easier to handle all that
2017-11-25 02:22 <nebadon> I already am but splitting it that much is very time consuming
2017-11-25 02:23 <nebadon> its like triple or quadruple my work load
2017-11-25 02:23 <Tampa> Another idea, lsl
2017-11-25 02:23 <Tampa> When you upload and it rescales the mesh you know how big it is vs how big it should be, crawl the linkset with setscale and do some local moving
2017-11-25 02:24 <nebadon> eh, be so much easier if Firestorm supported unlimited scale
2017-11-25 02:24 <nebadon> like Singularity does
2017-11-25 02:26 <Tampa> How much tris does the whole thing have anyways?
2017-11-25 02:26 <nebadon> the whole mode?
2017-11-25 02:26 <nebadon> model*
2017-11-25 02:26 <Tampa> yes
2017-11-25 02:27 <nebadon> this one is already near 5 million
2017-11-25 02:27 <nebadon> and its far from done
2017-11-25 02:27 <nebadon> i have some that are 8-10 million
2017-11-25 02:27 <nebadon> this one is very dense though
2017-11-25 02:27 <nebadon> so its killing viewer quick
2017-11-25 02:27 <nebadon> Singularity anyway
2017-11-25 02:27 <nebadon> Firestorm seems fine
2017-11-25 02:28 <Tampa> oh so not that big then, I could try importing the collada into Sketchup, overlay some sections, cut the pieces up and export them individually, may take some time though, but possible
2017-11-25 02:28 <nebadon> yea I do it in blender
2017-11-25 02:30 <Tampa> I could make 100x100m sections by intersecting vertical faces through the whole thing, take each piece, trim the edges and make components from each, giant jigsaw puzzle
2017-11-25 02:31 <Tampa> Other alternative would be something I been meaning to do for a long time and that is build a web-based mesh uploader that directly inserts into the asset server
2017-11-25 02:31 <nebadon> we have that
2017-11-25 02:31 <nebadon> however it doesnt handle LODs
2017-11-25 02:31 <nebadon> that is very hard to do 
2017-11-25 02:31 <nebadon> it basically makes single LOD for every layer at max quality
2017-11-25 02:32 <nebadon> it works but its way to heavy
2017-11-25 02:32 <nebadon> when you have 150 regions
2017-11-25 02:32 <Tampa> Could make the LODs in a different engine and do from file for them
2017-11-25 02:32 <nebadon> super time consuming too
2017-11-25 02:34 <Tampa> pattern evolving here I feel, don't see an easy way out, one of those times where looking for a solution may take longer than doing the first one that came to mind
2017-11-25 02:34 <nebadon> I was mostly just hoping there was a Debug setting in firestorm that disabled the upload limit
2017-11-25 02:34 <nebadon> yea its easier to just switch between viewers for now
2017-11-25 02:35 <Tampa> I think the issue is the mesh upload library since it doesn't just error, it rescales, which must be more than just a setting
2017-11-25 02:36 <nebadon> Singularity matches whatever the var region limit is I think
2017-11-25 02:36 <nebadon> so if your region is 768m it allows up to 768m
2017-11-25 02:36 <danbanner> fs doesnt really understand vars as well
2017-11-25 02:37 <Tampa> Leads me back to thinking thats Firestorm trying to be SL conform again
2017-11-25 02:37 <Tampa> Though it should be 256 then not 240
2017-11-25 02:37 <nebadon> yea its strange its stoping at 240m
2017-11-25 02:37 <nebadon> seems like wierd number to limit too
2017-11-25 02:38 <Tampa> Meh can't hurt to open a ticket with them answers not gonna change anything at this time anyways :)
2017-11-25 02:40 <nebadon> yea
2017-11-25 02:40 <nebadon> I may do that
2017-11-25 03:27 <Plugh> An alternative(?) is to make scripts to help do a aligment of parts so you don't have to do it all manually if you have to cut something in to smaller pieces.
2017-11-25 03:28 <Plugh> nebadon: Is it just a size limit? I'm looking at the debug settings in FS. There is a mesh upload timeout that might also bit you
2017-11-25 03:28 <Plugh> s/bit/bite/
2017-11-25 03:30 <Plugh> It is a 600s upload limit by default.
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2017-11-25 03:32 <nebadon> nah its not the timeout
2017-11-25 03:32 <nebadon> its a scale issue
2017-11-25 03:32 <nebadon> it resizes the object to a max of 240m
2017-11-25 03:33 <nebadon> on the options tab of mesh upload there is a scale option
2017-11-25 03:33 <nebadon> 1.0 being default
2017-11-25 03:33 <nebadon> if you exceed 240m it changes scale to whatever makes it 240m
2017-11-25 03:33 <nebadon> so if its 480m originally it will set scale to 0.5 etc..
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2017-11-25 19:27 <osmantis> Bug #8270:04 Add osSetParcelDetails to sell a parcel and enable the search 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8270 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-11-25 19:27 <osmantis> Bug #8270:04 Add osSetParcelDetails to sell a parcel and enable the search 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8270 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2017-11-25 20:46 <Tampa> Are there additional terrain effects anywhere, specifically a smoothing effect?
2017-11-26 00:06 <Bill_Blight> you mean like select region and smooth?  LOL
2017-11-26 00:44 <Tampa> is there such a command?
2017-11-26 00:45 <Bill_Blight> Not a command , but you can do it from  your viewer
2017-11-26 00:46 <Bill_Blight> It god mode, god tools, select region, while you have the edit terrain open, selects the entire region then you can hit smooth
2017-11-26 00:48 <Tampa> I was hoping to automate exactly that to do some terrain generation, guess I'll do that manually then
2017-11-26 00:48 <Bill_Blight> that is why I make my terrains in photoshop
2017-11-26 00:49 <Bill_Blight> that way they can be pre-smoothed for the most part
2017-11-26 01:01 <Tampa> MySQL error in ExecuteNonQuery: The size of BLOB/TEXT data inserted in one transaction is greater than 10% of redo log size. Increase the redo log size using innodb_log_file_size.
2017-11-26 01:02 <Tampa> The more I play with this the worse it gets lol
2017-11-26 01:17 <Plugh> How big was the blob/text data?
2017-11-26 01:18 <Tampa> default for innodb is 50M I set it to 500M now and the error went away, heightmap data is 130M according to console
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2017-11-26 01:41 <Bill_Blight> what size is the var region?
2017-11-26 01:41 <Tampa> 2048x2048
2017-11-26 01:41 <Bill_Blight> then that is about right
2017-11-26 01:42 <Bill_Blight> that is 64x the size of a standard region, single region runs between 1.5 and 2.5 meg normally, at least from my experience
2017-11-26 01:49 <Plugh> Tampa: You can use mysqltuner to get hints on how to adjust settings in MySQL.
2017-11-26 01:49 <Tampa> I have most of the production hardware tuned for OpenSim, just never did that for my personal stuff
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2017-12-11 23:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #5833 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-12-11 23:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5833: SUCCESS in 8 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5833/
2017-12-11 23:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: increase sample rate of WaitGetScenePresence()
2017-12-12 00:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #5834 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-12-12 00:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5834: SUCCESS in 5 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5834/
2017-12-12 00:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  commit what i did so far for core mutes module, befere i lose it
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2017-12-13 01:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #5835 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-12-13 01:14 <osmantis> Bug #8250:04 llMoveToTarget() in attachment plays 'landing' anim when on a prim floor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8250 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-12-13 01:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5835: SUCCESS in 8 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5835/
2017-12-13 01:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8250: try to work around timing issues
2017-12-13 02:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #5836 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-12-13 02:16 <osmantis> Bug #8255:04 Web region loading example is obsolete 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8255 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-12-13 02:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5836: SUCCESS in 5 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5836/
2017-12-13 02:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8255 update example_web.xml
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2017-12-13 13:05 <osmantis> Bug #8250:04 llMoveToTarget() in attachment plays 'landing' anim when on a prim floor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8250 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-12-13 13:34 <Tampa> Getting an exception: Specified cast is not valid. Apparently a mesh that isn't proper, any way to figure which mesh it is?
2017-12-13 15:55 <osmantis> Bug #8250:04 llMoveToTarget() in attachment plays 'landing' anim when on a prim floor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8250 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-12-14 03:46 <Ubit> anyone remembers where there is a clone of the old SL wiki site?
2017-12-14 03:47 <Ubit> clone of this: http://lslwiki.net/lslwiki/wakka.php?wakka=HomePage .. not closed
2017-12-14 03:47 <Ubit> ahh found
2017-12-14 04:43 <Ubit> any one ever used the event CHANGED_ANIMATION ( seems not standard )
2017-12-14 05:14 <osmantis> Bug #8250:04 llMoveToTarget() in attachment plays 'landing' anim when on a prim floor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8250 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-12-14 05:36 <osmantis> Bug #8273:04 CHANGED_TELEPORT is triggered on some border crossings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8273 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2017-12-14 05:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #5837 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-12-14 05:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5837: SUCCESS in 8 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5837/
2017-12-14 05:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add a missing return on a mesh decode error in ubOdemeshmerizer
2017-12-14 06:36 <osmantis> Bug #8250:04 llMoveToTarget() in attachment plays 'landing' anim when on a prim floor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8250 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-12-14 13:21 <osmantis> Bug #8250:04 llMoveToTarget() in attachment plays 'landing' anim when on a prim floor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8250 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-12-14 14:26 <osmantis> Bug #8250:04 llMoveToTarget() in attachment plays 'landing' anim when on a prim floor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8250 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-12-14 15:02 <Plugh> Ubit, I've used CHANGED_ANIMATION
2017-12-14 15:04 <Plugh> Ubit, there are two LSL wiki's. The lslwiki.net and the one run by LL.
2017-12-14 15:10 <Plugh> Hm... it used to be lslwiki.com which became lslwiki.net but it is down too as of start of this year.
2017-12-14 15:11 <Plugh> The internet archive has no proper content for lslwiki.net past Nov 20, 2016.
2017-12-14 16:18 <Ubit> yes but digiworldz (?) keeps a copy
2017-12-14 16:24 <Plugh> Good that someone does. The web archive has a copy of the main page. I haven't tried drilling down much to see if it really has a full archive of the site.
2017-12-14 16:27 <osmantis> Bug #8250:04 llMoveToTarget() in attachment plays 'landing' anim when on a prim floor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8250 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-12-14 16:59 <Plugh> Odd that the surface one is standing on makes a difference.
2017-12-14 17:31 <Ubit> on what ?
2017-12-14 17:51 <Plugh> re: mantis 8250
2017-12-14 17:52 <Plugh> It said its ok if you are standing on terrain but not when standing on a prim.
2017-12-14 18:00 <Ubit> its not prims its position
2017-12-14 18:56 <Ubit> yeap FS goto is so wrong on vars ???
2017-12-14 18:56 <Ubit> err also singu
2017-12-14 18:58 <Ubit> ohh normal ones also
2017-12-14 18:59 <Ubit> did u ppl also noticed ?
2017-12-14 19:02 <Ubit> grrr seems better at sl..  but i do see the requested postion bad on packets also
2017-12-14 19:06 <Ubit> hmm global coors loss of precision it seems
2017-12-14 19:06 <Ubit> but so bad.. odd
2017-12-14 19:08 <Ubit> yeah viewers only send 5 digits
2017-12-14 19:08 <Ubit> x "2.27348e+006"
2017-12-14 19:09 <Ubit> err 5 decimal
2017-12-14 19:10 <Ubit> hmm dont think this movetotarget does crossings
2017-12-14 19:15 <Ubit> odd they do seem to use doubles
2017-12-14 19:24 <Ubit> ahh one singu version has it ok.. no ideia what version.. something btw 1.8.6 and 7 :)
2017-12-14 19:25 <Ubit> ( and this is the one i seen using doubles
2017-12-14 19:33 <osmantis> Bug #8250:04 llMoveToTarget() in attachment plays 'landing' anim when on a prim floor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8250 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-12-19 00:29 <djphil> Hello :)
2017-12-19 00:29 <djphil> Do you know if this script is the broker.place.com script for Concierge Module  ? http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Talk:ConciergeModule
2017-12-19 01:00 <Tampa> Looks like the webserver side of that module if that's what you are asking
2017-12-19 01:03 <djphil> Like the old broker.place.com website do ?
2017-12-19 01:03 <djphil> https://pastebin.com/vuUt9vfe
2017-12-19 01:10 <Tampa> I guess
2017-12-19 01:22 <djphil> and the "welcome template" is a xml file ?
2017-12-19 01:23 <djphil> or just a .txt file ... hmmm :s
2017-12-19 01:26 <djphil> afk
2017-12-19 02:15 <smxy> I use it to announce people entering the region.
2017-12-19 07:33 <djphil> @smxy : Ha cool good news, that's what I hope it does :)
2017-12-19 07:33 <djphil> Do you also use the template system ? Do you have an example of a model?
2017-12-19 14:33 <smxy> Actually, I don't use the template system, but I've considered it, to log data to a DB, about who visits what regions. But, I honestly think that could be gotten from the regular logs, too, so not certain of the benefit.
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2017-12-20 00:45 <djphil> smxy : Yes it can be used to record visitors and make small statistics, it's fun!
2017-12-20 00:45 <djphil> Hmmm, i can not find any template exemple for the concierge
2017-12-20 00:46 <djphil> Really wiki does not give any information about it
2017-12-20 00:49 <djphil> I imagine that the file format is simple txt, but even that, I'm not sure ... ^^
2017-12-20 01:30 <Tampa> Getting reports here that some scripts don't survive crossings using latest master and httptests. Apparently works fine on 0.9.0 release. Were there any changes made that could cause script crossing to fail?
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2017-12-20 18:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #5838 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-12-20 18:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5838: SUCCESS in 8 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5838/
2017-12-20 18:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add missing entry on prebuid.xml for mutelist service
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2017-12-30 15:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #5839 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-12-30 15:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5839: SUCCESS in 8 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5839/
2017-12-30 15:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8271: work around missing encoding of estate bans on the pseudo url encode used on POST, without changing the xml also used elsewhere. Possible this can be used in other case
2017-12-30 15:39 <osmantis> Bug #8271:04 Estate Always Banned fails on add 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8271 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2017-12-30 15:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #5840 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2017-12-30 15:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5840: SUCCESS in 5 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5840/
2017-12-30 15:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: clean some extra space chars
2017-12-30 17:57 <osmantis> Bug #8274:04 Wifi não habilita 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8274 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2017-12-31 05:19 <BOAN[N]>  anny one idee how i can fetsh images form rhe assetserver openism ? on php ?
2017-12-31 05:48 <Bill_Blight> you mean if you already know the asset id?
2017-12-31 05:50 <Bill_Blight> http://domain.com:8002/CAPS/GetTexture/?texture_id=<texture_uuid>&format=png 
2017-12-31 05:51 <Bill_Blight> but of course that means at least exposing your asset server to your webserver
2017-12-31 05:55 <BOAN[N]> oke, is this working even for the profile images ?? in the past we must to work whit imagic on the server
2017-12-31 05:56 <Bill_Blight> Not sure for profile images, I don't use v2 profiles, but if they are in the asset db and you can get the id you can pull it ..
2017-12-31 05:56 <Bill_Blight> I have php script somewhere for pulling v2 group profiles ... hang on
2017-12-31 05:56 <Bill_Blight> let me find it
2017-12-31 07:14 <paela_> https://github.com/ssm2017/ci_osgetasset can help
2017-12-31 07:16 <paela_> or https://github.com/ssm2017/osgettexture
2017-12-31 07:18 <BOAN[N]> bill_bilght hafe alrady tolt me, but als thanx fot the help and infomation ;) 
2017-12-31 17:57 <Ubit> happy new yr ppl
2017-12-31 18:09 <BOAN[N]> thnx Ubit, you to
2017-12-31 18:28 <priestov> all with new yr!!!!))
2017-12-31 18:50 <ssm2017> thank you, i wish you all have a good year too :)
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2018-01-02 01:11 <paela_> hi error in profilev2 [PROFILES_DATA]: UpdateAvatarNotes exception Column count doesn't match value count at row 1
2018-01-02 01:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #5841 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-01-02 02:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5841: SUCCESS in 9 min 40 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5841/
2018-01-02 02:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix/clean error messages on MySQLUserProfiles (profilesV2)
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2018-01-02 18:53 <Bill_Blight> Where is the dev meeting today?
2018-01-02 18:54 <Ubit> oops
2018-01-02 18:54 <Bill_Blight> yep
2018-01-02 18:56 <Ubit> yeap region seems down
2018-01-02 19:01 <Ubit> seems osg changed the region.. but no idea whats the new location
2018-01-02 19:02 <Ubit> Hurliman Plaza
2018-01-02 19:02 <Ubit> ??
2018-01-02 19:03 <paela> all meeting in osgrid are now in Hurliman Plaza 
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2018-01-02 20:44 <Plugh> Um... This blog entry probably reads in a way other than intended -> 2265-exciting-improvements-to-sl-fee-updates-to-enable-even-more/
2018-01-02 20:45 <Plugh> They have made exciting improvements to fees that will allow them to enable even more fees ??
2018-01-02 20:46 <Plugh> So its going to cost more to convert L$ to RL$  :P
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2018-01-03 01:32 <osmantis> Bug #8271:04 Estate Always Banned fails on add 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8271 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-01-03 08:32 <osmantis> Bug #8271:04 Estate Always Banned fails on add 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8271 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-01-03 08:33 <osmantis> Bug #8271:04 Estate Always Banned fails on add 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8271 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-01-03 10:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #5842 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-01-03 10:27 <osmantis> Bug #8271:04 Estate Always Banned fails on add 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8271 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-01-03 10:30 <osmantis> Bug #8271:04 Estate Always Banned fails on add 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8271 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-01-03 10:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5842: SUCCESS in 8 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5842/
2018-01-03 10:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix estates URI
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2018-01-04 03:25 <osmantis> Bug #8271:04 Estate Always Banned fails on add 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8271 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2018-01-04 19:30 <osmantis> Bug #8277:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] llXorBase64 not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8277 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2018-01-04 21:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #5843 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-01-04 21:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5843: SUCCESS in 8 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5843/
2018-01-04 21:31 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add more files for robust mutes suport. (module is still named MuteListModuleTst for testing, others in core will be removed later
2018-01-04 21:31 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: update configuration files and examples for mutes
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2018-01-04 22:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #5844 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-01-04 23:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5844: SUCCESS in 6 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5844/
2018-01-04 23:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove some tabs added to config files
2018-01-05 00:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #5845 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-01-05 00:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5845: FAILURE in 5 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5845/
2018-01-05 00:08 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: disable some XmlResolver
2018-01-05 00:08 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: let tau do something in avatar MoveToTarget
2018-01-05 00:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #5846 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5844 1 hr 36 min ago)
2018-01-05 00:36 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2018-01-05 00:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5846: FIXED in 5 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5846/
2018-01-05 00:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: don't be bad Jenkins..
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2018-01-05 10:49 <osmantis> Bug #8275:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] llStopSound has no effect on llPlaySound or llTriggerSound etc ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8275 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-01-05 11:12 <osmantis> Bug #8266:04 Feature Wish: configurable persistent mute-list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8266 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-01-05 11:55 <osmantis> Bug #8275:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] llStopSound has no effect on llPlaySound or llTriggerSound etc ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8275 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-01-05 12:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #5847 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2018-01-05 12:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5847: FAILURE in 3 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5847/
2018-01-05 12:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  a few more xml things
2018-01-05 12:31 <Ubit> that was fast
2018-01-05 12:32 <Ubit> (1598,33): error CS1061: Type `System.Xml.XmlTextReader' does not contain a definition for `DtdProcessing' and no extension 
2018-01-05 12:32 <Ubit> nice
2018-01-05 12:32 <Ubit> when .net4.0 is not really 4.0
2018-01-05 12:34 <Ubit> grrr
2018-01-05 12:36 <Ubit> that mono is just 2 old, even for 4.0 :(
2018-01-05 12:36 <Ubit> now when did mono suported this crap? 4.6 does compile fine
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2018-01-05 14:45 <Tampa> No idea, but I compile on 5.4.1 and so far stuffs working fine
2018-01-05 18:00 <Ubit> yeap did compile also fine on 4.6.x
2018-01-05 18:00 <Ubit> its a .net4.0 feature.. but well mono..
2018-01-05 18:01 <BillBlight> Yeah also compiles fine on my mono
2018-01-05 18:02 <Ubit> i can use a older feature.. but then all new compilers will complain since its obsolete
2018-01-05 18:03 <Ubit> just i don't dare even thinking on updating that box mono.. the right thing to do now
2018-01-05 18:08 <Ubit> btw those changes should not have negative side effect, unless i missed some "clever" use of xml
2018-01-05 18:09 <Ubit> ( there is some but its output only on rest if i remember well)
2018-01-05 18:35 <nebadon> If core agrees i can compile new version of mono on that box, though I am not 100% sure how to make sure jenkins uses that mono, but I am sure we can figure that out
2018-01-05 18:35 <Ubit> that whould be good
2018-01-05 18:36 <nebadon> mono on that box is in userspace
2018-01-05 18:36 <Ubit> seems monos are installed at /opt
2018-01-05 18:36 <nebadon> so it doesnt require updating the root system
2018-01-05 18:36 <nebadon> yes
2018-01-05 18:36 <nebadon> ive compiled all of those
2018-01-05 18:36 <Ubit> ahh
2018-01-05 18:36 <nebadon> shouldnt be a problem to go up a bit
2018-01-05 18:36 <Ubit> then know how to that MONO_VERSION variable jenkins uses? :)
2018-01-05 18:37 <nebadon> its probably in the back end of jenkins
2018-01-05 18:37 <Ubit> 
ACTION was looking around the box :)

2018-01-05 18:37 <nebadon> technically you can have jenkins compile like 15 versions of mono
2018-01-05 18:37 <nebadon> and test them all
2018-01-05 18:37 <nebadon> generally Justin did that part
2018-01-05 18:37 <Ubit> yeap workspace as folders per versions
2018-01-05 18:37 <nebadon> Melanie probably knows too though
2018-01-05 18:38 <Ubit> danng don't even remember my pass on jenkins :)
2018-01-05 18:39 <Ubit> damm tested all i do remember havig back in the day :)
2018-01-05 18:40 <Ubit> well first step is having a more recent mono
2018-01-05 18:40 <nebadon> yea i guess see what everything thinks first what version
2018-01-05 18:40 <nebadon> i think suse is shipping 4.6.1
2018-01-05 18:40 <nebadon> let me check
2018-01-05 18:40 <Ubit> debian is suing a 4.6
2018-01-05 18:40 <nebadon> yep
2018-01-05 18:41 <priestov> hi
2018-01-05 18:41 <nebadon> Leap 42.3 is 4.6.1
2018-01-05 18:41 <priestov> its stable mono version?
2018-01-05 18:41 <priestov> 4.6.1?
2018-01-05 18:41 <nebadon> lets see what http://go-mono.com says
2018-01-05 18:41 <Ubit> Mono JIT compiler version 4.6.2 (Debian 4.6.2.7+dfsg-1)
2018-01-05 18:42 <Ubit> on debian
2018-01-05 18:42 <nebadon> The latest Mono release is: 5.4.1 Stable (5.4.1.6)
2018-01-05 18:42 <Ubit> that mb suicidal still
2018-01-05 18:42 <priestov> hmm... im use 5.4.1 
2018-01-05 18:42 <nebadon> but yea we should go with whatever the minimum on stable linux flavors right now
2018-01-05 18:42 <nebadon> thats usually how we do it
2018-01-05 18:42 <nebadon> Debian is usually the last
2018-01-05 18:43 <nebadon> maybe CentOS
2018-01-05 18:43 <nebadon> we should see what CentOS is pushing out
2018-01-05 18:49 <Ubit> do you think many ppl still uses XP ?
2018-01-05 18:49 <Ubit> ( or linux from same time )
2018-01-05 18:49 <nebadon> I would hope not, honestly anything that is EoL is SoL :P
2018-01-05 18:50 <Ubit> we are stuck on 4.0 ( ie true ms 4.0) bc of XP suport
2018-01-05 18:50 <nebadon> we cant really get stuck supporting operating systems that Microsoft doesnt even support anymore
2018-01-05 18:51 <nebadon> people will just have to stay stuck on older opensim
2018-01-05 18:51 <nebadon> if they dont mind staying stuck on dead operating system they shouldnt mind staying stuck on old opensim too
2018-01-05 18:51 <nebadon> but core should agree of course
2018-01-05 18:53 <Ubit> yeap version change needs more core ppl "voting"
2018-01-05 18:53 <Ubit> and someone to actually review all changes and impact on code  grrr
2018-01-05 18:54 <Ubit> well 4.5 seems working ok on those suicidal ppl using httptests
2018-01-05 18:54 <Ubit> err i said suicidal? i mean brave
2018-01-05 18:54 <Ubit> errrr clever?
2018-01-05 18:54 <Ubit> ;)
2018-01-05 18:55 <Ubit> but possible at least 4.5.2
2018-01-05 19:05 <Ubit> ( and i meant .net framework versions)
2018-01-05 19:28 <BillBlight> At some point you need to burn the bridge so the bad stuff quits following you  ..   The people that refused to cross the bridge made that choice
2018-01-05 19:29 <Ubit> well romans did that... but reno river froze allowing crossings :p
2018-01-05 19:34 <BillBlight> 
ACTION stands guard with a flame thrower

2018-01-05 19:35 <Ubit> 
ACTION moves far away from bill

2018-01-05 19:35 <Ubit> those things to explode you know? :p
2018-01-05 19:35 <BillBlight> 
ACTION thinks that is a good idea Ubit

2018-01-05 19:35 <Ubit> ..do...
2018-01-05 19:36 <BillBlight> 
ACTION thinks it the Flame Thrower explodes at least he will die knowing the last comment about him could be, "he was HOT"

2018-01-05 19:36 <Ubit> lol
2018-01-05 20:42 <Plugh> nebadon, make Jenkins use /opt/mono then sym link that to the version of mono you want it to use. If there is a problem you just change the sym link to poing to a different version of mono.
2018-01-05 20:43 <Plugh> s/poing/point/
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2018-01-06 02:30 <nebadon> not sure what happened to jenkins but its dead
2018-01-06 02:30 <nebadon> i restarted it, but it seems totally dead now doesnt want to run anymore
2018-01-06 02:33 <nebadon> hmm restarting it again seemed to fix it
2018-01-06 02:34 <nebadon> no irc yet though
2018-01-06 02:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5848: STILL FAILING in 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5848/
2018-01-06 02:34 <nebadon> there we are
2018-01-06 02:34 <nebadon> build failed though
2018-01-06 03:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #5849 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #5846 1 day 3 hr ago)
2018-01-06 03:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5849: STILL FAILING in 2 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5849/
2018-01-06 03:41 <nebadon> Well Ubit i fixed some issues with jenkins so it should be back to pretty much normal, though it does need to be updated at some point soon
2018-01-06 03:41 <nebadon> im not going to tackle that right now
2018-01-06 03:42 <nebadon> i guess latest code is still failing though
2018-01-06 10:28 <Ubit> yes code compile fails bc that ms .net feature im using. reluntant to revert it, because it is neeed at least until we move to ms .net4.5.2 (that does most of that by default)
2018-01-06 10:30 <Ubit> i could use .net3.5 solution in same places.. but that is obsolete, recent compilers will complain
2018-01-06 10:30 <BillBlight> better to move forward that backwards
2018-01-06 10:30 <BillBlight> *than
2018-01-06 10:31 <Ubit> well with .net4.5.2 as i said some of those settings i added can be removed
2018-01-06 10:34 <Tampa> Have to agree with Bill, as much as backwards compatibility is useful to have at the same time it should never stop progress
2018-01-06 10:37 <Ubit> well as core goes, jenkins did not crossed the bridge using bill expression
2018-01-06 10:38 <Ubit> lets see if neb can update mono etc on that box
2018-01-06 10:38 <BillBlight> well, can you at least push the fixed prebuild so Tampa will quit whining about master not building ... LOL
2018-01-06 10:38 <Tampa> I ain't whining, I got time lol
2018-01-06 10:39 <Tampa> http://www.mono-project.com/download/#download-lin-ubuntu updating mono isn't hard :)
2018-01-06 10:39 <BillBlight> Not hard depends on how out of date your core OS is though ...
2018-01-06 10:40 <Ubit> i don't know the box, neb does :)
2018-01-06 10:41 <Ubit> well why is master failing on you tampa?
2018-01-06 10:41 <Ubit> what error ?
2018-01-06 10:41 <Tampa> error MSB4019: The imported project "/usr/lib/mono/msbuild/15.0/bin/Microsoft.CSHARP.Targets" was not found. Confirm that the path in the <Import> declaration is correct, and that the file exists on disk.
2018-01-06 10:41 <BillBlight> oh well that is totally differnt
2018-01-06 10:41 <Ubit> yeap
2018-01-06 10:42 <Tampa> 91 of those
2018-01-06 10:42 <Ubit> you need to tell xbuild to target 4.0
2018-01-06 10:42 <BillBlight> build it with nant , it will build
2018-01-06 10:42 <Ubit> and psosible need to install it
2018-01-06 10:42 <Ubit> some mono installs do not install older frameworks
2018-01-06 10:42 <Ubit> seems 4.5 is the min now
2018-01-06 10:42 <BillBlight> yep
2018-01-06 10:43 <Tampa> xbuild is going EOL soon(ish) hence why I use msbuild and this is straight master, no edits
2018-01-06 10:43 <Ubit> try telling xbuid to use 4.5 on opensim
2018-01-06 10:43 <BillBlight> why not use nant
2018-01-06 10:43 <Ubit> that should work 
2018-01-06 10:43 <Tampa> xbuild causes other errors with xmlrequest something something
2018-01-06 10:43 <Ubit> what hell
2018-01-06 10:43 <Tampa> I can wait I don't need to build this now, my fork still builds properly :)
2018-01-06 10:44 <Ubit> that compiles fine on my xbuild
2018-01-06 10:44 <BillBlight> does not build on my xbuild either without the prebuild.xml fix
2018-01-06 10:44 <Tampa> PhysicsInertia.cs(196,29): error CS1061: 'XmlTextReader' does not contain a definition for 'DtdProcessing' and no extension method 'DtdProcessing' accepting a first argument of type 'XmlTextReader' could be found (are you missing a using directive or an assembly reference?)
2018-01-06 10:44 <BillBlight> if I put in that fix it builds
2018-01-06 10:45 <Tampa> PrimitiveBaseShape.cs(1598,33) same error
2018-01-06 10:45 <Ubit> yes that DtdProcessing was added to ms .net4.0
2018-01-06 10:45 <Tampa> I do runprebuild.sh and then xbuild, only two commands I use
2018-01-06 10:45 <Ubit> and mono at least mine ( 4.6.2) does have it
2018-01-06 10:45 <Tampa> This is running mono 5.4.1
2018-01-06 10:47 <Ubit> about the prebuild.xml fix.. master one has more diferences.. a pain :(
2018-01-06 10:47 <BillBlight> ahhh, but it does build with the one from httptests ...
2018-01-06 10:47 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-01-06 10:48 <Ubit> that pdd also builds ?
2018-01-06 10:48 <Ubit> ptd ?
2018-01-06 10:48 <BillBlight> yes
2018-01-06 10:48 <BillBlight> umm
2018-01-06 10:48 <BillBlight> well seems to
2018-01-06 10:48 <BillBlight> I don't use master, so just testing it
2018-01-06 10:48 <Ubit> ok tampa plz try compile telling your xbuild to uses .net4.5
2018-01-06 10:48 <BillBlight> but it builds in all three ways
2018-01-06 10:49 <Ubit> bahh
2018-01-06 10:49 <Ubit> seems i need to do the 3.5 solution
2018-01-06 10:50 <Tampa> I forked from httptests around the time 9.0.0 release, then kept pulling in changes from master, somehow that still builds just fine with msbuild
2018-01-06 10:50 <Ubit> until master moves to .net4.5.2
2018-01-06 10:51 <Ubit> yes but httptests is setting .net4.5 by default
2018-01-06 10:51 <Tampa> let me pull latest master into my fork and see if that causes errors
2018-01-06 10:51 <Ubit> while master is on 4.0
2018-01-06 10:52 <Ubit> well we can move to 4.7.1 :P
2018-01-06 10:52 <Ubit> and all dies lol
2018-01-06 10:52 <Tampa> <Project frameworkVersion="v4_5" name="OpenSim.Region.CoreModules"
2018-01-06 10:53 <Tampa> lets see what jenkins spits out
2018-01-06 10:56 <Ubit> you edited the xml ?
2018-01-06 10:56 <Tampa> No I merged latest master
2018-01-06 10:58 <Ubit> lol ms removed XP from the compatibilites lists
2018-01-06 10:58 <Ubit> Vista is the oldest
2018-01-06 10:58 <Ubit> and suports up to .net 4.6
2018-01-06 10:59 <Ubit> "In general, you should not uninstall any versions of the .NET Framework that are installed on your computer, because an application you use may depend on a specific version and may break if that version is removed."
2018-01-06 11:00 <Ubit> bahh backwards conpatibility lost long ago
2018-01-06 11:00 <Tampa> same with directx, redistrib and so on...
2018-01-06 11:02 <Ubit> "Some changes in the .NET Framework may require changes to your app code"  this is the other pain
2018-01-06 11:03 <Tampa> "Everything is broken, nothing will work, stop trying and go cry in a corner" - Microsoft
2018-01-06 11:05 <Ubit> and ms is one thing, mono is other
2018-01-06 11:07 <Tampa> At some point one has to think that it's all just a ploy to make sure software-devs still have work to do at the end of the day /s
2018-01-06 11:07 <Ubit> btw and we do use libraries still on old versions, and have no sources
2018-01-06 11:07 <Tampa> so far so good jenkins is building, no errors yet
2018-01-06 11:08 <Tampa> 56 Warning(s) 0 Error(s)
2018-01-06 11:09 <Tampa> using msbuild
2018-01-06 11:40 <Ubit> ohh i have 260 warnings
2018-01-06 11:52 <Tampa> So I use the same prebuild as httptests it seems, but isn't that the same as master now?
2018-01-06 11:57 <BillBlight> no
2018-01-06 11:58 <Tampa> Hm, well the httptests version seems to work, that's all I can say about this, master does not build with neither xbuild not msbuild
2018-01-06 11:59 <BillBlight> umm that is what I said earlier . LOL .. the httptests branch has an updated prebuild.xml
2018-01-06 11:59 <BillBlight> but that branch is still not merged with master ... Unless ubit got sneaky
2018-01-06 11:59 <BillBlight> master has been merged to it a few times
2018-01-06 13:03 <Ubit> httptests as a updated prebuild.exe also, that allows msbuild also to work
2018-01-06 13:04 <Ubit> (the one on master adds file references with wrong caps that fail on linux)
2018-01-07 00:46 <osmantis> Bug #8275:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] llStopSound has no effect on llPlaySound or llTriggerSound etc ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8275 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-01-07 01:11 <osmantis> Bug #7213:04 [SCRIPT] llPassTouches (TRUE / FALSE) does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7213 ): has been CLOSED
2018-01-07 01:12 <osmantis> Bug #2221:04 [ODE] Erratic behavior of llMoveToTarget() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=2221 ): has been CLOSED
2018-01-07 01:12 <osmantis> Bug #3987:04 [ODE] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3987 ): The RELATED issue 0002221 has been CLOSED.
2018-01-07 01:13 <osmantis> Bug #3484:04 UpdateScriptTask CAP - Uploader response is different from Second Life 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3484 ): has been CLOSED
2018-01-07 01:13 <osmantis> Bug #3491:04 script event not fired after TP/simcross 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3491 ): has been CLOSED
2018-01-07 01:16 <djphil> Ubit, if pass touch is set to false in child prim, touch isn't send to root
2018-01-07 01:16 <Ubit> that is what is suposed to be
2018-01-07 01:16 <djphil> Yes
2018-01-07 01:17 <djphil> but no
2018-01-07 01:17 <Ubit> so ?
2018-01-07 01:17 <djphil> You have try ?
2018-01-07 01:17 <Ubit> ages ago :p
2018-01-07 01:17 <djphil> My mantis is too Ages ago ( 2014 ) :p
2018-01-07 01:17 <Ubit> and you said clicable.. and that is not controled by the pass
2018-01-07 01:18 <djphil> Mmm
2018-01-07 01:18 <Ubit> pass well means pass :p
2018-01-07 01:19 <djphil> Yeah!
2018-01-07 01:19 <djphil> and i send scripts to test :p
2018-01-07 01:19 <Ubit> don't send.. test :p
2018-01-07 01:19 <djphil> i do, long time ago
2018-01-07 01:20 <djphil> Ha, just a question about Dybamic texture Ubit
2018-01-07 01:20 <Ubit> what ?
2018-01-07 01:21 <djphil> I try to write additionnal text to a texture from llGetMapTexture
2018-01-07 01:21 <djphil> but i can't found a waiy to do that :s
2018-01-07 01:21 <djphil> way*
2018-01-07 01:21 <Ubit> uff i dont remember that now :)
2018-01-07 01:22 <djphil> it accept only write additionnal text on external texture (web) ... seem
2018-01-07 01:23 <djphil> a try with osDrawImage and all others osSetDynamicTexture...
2018-01-07 01:24 <Ubit> i think i did test with a normal tex.. but really don't remember now :(
2018-01-07 01:24 <djphil> i can only add additionnal text on a picture with a http:// grrrr
2018-01-07 01:25 <djphil> ok
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2018-01-08 12:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #5850 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #5846 3 days 11 hr ago)
2018-01-08 12:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5850: STILL FAILING in 6 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5850/
2018-01-08 12:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fall back to a obsolete property since several monos in use (include our own) do not suporte the proper .net4.0 one
2018-01-08 12:08 <Ubit> really jenkins?
2018-01-08 12:08 <Ubit> hmmm
2018-01-08 12:14 <Tampa> You asking mono 2.10 to build things that it doesn't even dream about lol
2018-01-08 12:16 <Tampa> Maybe upgrading to a more sensible 4.2.0 or something would make sense
2018-01-08 12:16 <Tampa> Latest stable is 5.4.1
2018-01-08 12:17 <Ubit> yes but guess that needs last linux kernel and libs
2018-01-08 12:18 <Ubit> that kills a lot of machines in use
2018-01-08 12:19 <Tampa> If there is a single grid or simulator out there still running on that I will personally fly there and update the box for them, 2.10 is 7 years old now at some point one has got to let go
2018-01-08 12:20 <Tampa> We'll be left in the stone ages if we attempt to be backwards compatible with everything, heck why not compile it for Cyrix as well
2018-01-08 12:22 <Ubit> od course first 2 of those tests run fine on my box
2018-01-08 12:22 <Ubit> won box
2018-01-08 12:22 <Ubit> win
2018-01-08 12:23 <Ubit> .. and the linux test region is up with no complains
2018-01-08 12:23 <Ubit> grrrr
2018-01-08 12:24 <Tampa> Update the mono, all I can say
2018-01-08 12:24 <Ubit> 4th test also fine... since all fail on same spot ... all will pass
2018-01-08 12:25 <Ubit> now that crap is the null ref it complains ??
2018-01-08 12:25 <Tampa> I can't hear you over my updated mono and no compile errors... ;P
2018-01-08 12:26 <Ubit> you also has issues
2018-01-08 12:26 <Ubit> had
2018-01-08 12:26 <Ubit> and bill
2018-01-08 12:26 <Tampa> trying to compile that broken prebuild
2018-01-08 12:26 <Ubit> for some odd reason your xbuild and msbuilt also fails on the proper property
2018-01-08 12:26 <Ubit> mine works fine 
2018-01-08 12:27 <Ubit> ( even on master )
2018-01-08 12:27 <Tampa> ubuntu 14.04 ships with 3.2.8 could try that at least
2018-01-08 12:28 <Tampa> last to ship 2.10 was 12.04
2018-01-08 12:28 <Ubit> damm i can't compile runnig robust on same box
2018-01-08 12:28 <Ubit> keep doing it lol
2018-01-08 12:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #5851 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #5846 3 days 12 hr ago)
2018-01-08 12:31 <Tampa> I'll even rewrite you the wiki entry if djphil posts it for me
2018-01-08 12:36 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2018-01-08 12:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5851: FIXED in 5 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5851/
2018-01-08 12:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: test our obsolete jenkins ...
2018-01-08 12:37 <Ubit> blablabla.. it is not fixed sillty jenkins
2018-01-08 12:52 <Ubit> well rl calls.. later will change those  21 files again
2018-01-08 12:53 <Ubit> and even later pull httptests to -net4.6 and remove that again, bc its setting equal to deafult on that
2018-01-08 12:53 <Ubit> .net 4.5 as same issue and also needs Vista as 4.6
2018-01-08 12:54 <Ubit> ( 4.5.2 is the lowest that does fix this issue im trying to workaround )
2018-01-08 12:54 <Ubit> well bbl
2018-01-08 13:30 <djphil> What wiki entry Tampa ?
2018-01-08 16:31 <Tampa> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Build_Instructions 
2018-01-08 16:55 <djphil> Ho i see :)
2018-01-08 18:41 <ssm2017> Tampa you can maybe have a look to this page too : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Dependencies#Linux_and_Mac_OSX
2018-01-08 18:51 <osmantis> Bug #8275:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] llStopSound has no effect on llPlaySound or llTriggerSound etc ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8275 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-01-08 18:52 <Ubit> dj we do have a opensim viewer...
2018-01-08 18:53 <djphil> one more ...
2018-01-08 18:54 <Ubit> what freaky said ( and me without details) is that we have no way tell viewers to stop some sounds... bc there is no protocol for it
2018-01-08 18:55 <djphil> protocol can't be implemented ?
2018-01-08 18:56 <Ubit> if you could convience a viewer dev to to that side...
2018-01-08 18:57 <djphil> I do not know but it still seems to me basic things, do not you think?
2018-01-08 18:57 <djphil> for exemple with parcel media we can unse play, stop pause ...
2018-01-08 18:57 <djphil> use*
2018-01-08 18:58 <Ubit> dunno what ll was thinking..
2018-01-08 18:59 <djphil> Really the sound is basic and could be a little (or a lot) better
2018-01-08 19:00 <Ubit> same games you can even witohu earing  the sound tips :)
2018-01-08 19:00 <Ubit> even play..
2018-01-08 19:00 <Ubit> tomb raider if i remember
2018-01-08 19:02 <djphil> hehe i have play with Tom Raider in 1980 :p
2018-01-08 19:02 <Ubit> steping on something on floor we could hear a noise.. and the sound of a door opening on another room etc
2018-01-08 19:02 <Ubit> without sound tou could not see the door was opening
2018-01-08 19:03 <Ubit> and similar on other games
2018-01-08 19:03 <Ubit> also of course builds the eviroment
2018-01-08 19:03 <djphil> llForceSound :p
2018-01-08 19:04 <Ubit> open a diagod "please mute sound NOW "
2018-01-08 19:04 <Ubit> :)
2018-01-08 19:04 <Ubit> dialog
2018-01-08 19:05 <Ubit> later "please unmute sound :p )
2018-01-08 19:05 <djphil> Hehe nice feature for mute module :)
2018-01-08 19:05 <djphil> One really strange thing is the unique use of wav standard pcm
2018-01-08 19:05 <djphil> why not Opus ?
2018-01-08 19:05 <djphil> he  is used a lot now ...
2018-01-08 19:05 <Ubit> bc pcm is basic
2018-01-08 19:05 <djphil> and better like mp3
2018-01-08 19:06 <djphil> and opens source !
2018-01-08 19:06 <Ubit> audio decode is cpu thing
2018-01-08 19:06 <Ubit> and not that light
2018-01-08 19:06 <djphil> that the reason ?
2018-01-08 19:07 <Ubit> well also not that heavy on modern cpus :)
2018-01-08 19:07 <Ubit> pcm is direct feed to the audio card
2018-01-08 19:07 <Ubit> or audio chip on the mb
2018-01-08 19:08 <Ubit> other codecs.. no..  they have "math"
2018-01-08 19:09 <JeffKelley> sounds are stored as ogg
2018-01-08 19:09 <djphil> math maybee but too file size  / 10 ...
2018-01-08 19:10 <djphil> Ubit : http://opus-codec.org/
2018-01-08 19:10 <Ubit> well the audio compressors aren't that heavy.. no one bother adding hardware for them if i remember
2018-01-08 19:10 <Ubit> unlike video
2018-01-08 19:11 <Ubit> and again.. thats viewer thing
2018-01-08 19:11 <djphil> a lot of voice chat using codecs ...
2018-01-08 19:11 <Ubit> you mean all :p
2018-01-08 19:11 <Ubit> and mobile phones, of course
2018-01-08 19:12 <djphil> no no Ubit
2018-01-08 19:12 <Ubit> there is even a gsm codec ( well more than one =
2018-01-08 19:12 <djphil> http://opus-codec.org/static/comparison/quality.svg
2018-01-08 19:12 <djphil> 128Kbs
2018-01-08 19:15 <Ubit> well quality compare done by creators is always.. well.. ;)
2018-01-08 19:16 <Ubit> oh speex.. i did use it on a voice thing i made in past
2018-01-08 19:17 <djphil> On text to Spech thing maybee ... ?
2018-01-08 19:17 <djphil> speech*
2018-01-08 19:17 <Ubit> human voice..
2018-01-08 19:18 <djphil> bot ?
2018-01-08 19:18 <Ubit> a chat thing actually
2018-01-08 19:18 <Ubit> well actually a irc client with p2p voice chat 
2018-01-08 19:19 <djphil> ho i see :)
2018-01-08 19:19 <djphil> you can update it wih opus now hehehe
2018-01-08 19:20 <Ubit> well i never released it :)
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2018-01-09 12:09 <osmantis> Bug #8271:04 Estate Always Banned fails on add 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8271 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-01-09 19:00 <Plugh> Weekly meeting in osgrid is about to start.
2018-01-09 19:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #5852 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: FIXED)
2018-01-09 20:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5852: SUCCESS in 9 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5852/
2018-01-09 20:05 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: give up on a property that old monos do compile, but then smore ok exec
2018-01-09 20:05 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: missed a few..
2018-01-09 20:49 <Ubit> hmm jenkins did compiled and passed the tests
2018-01-09 20:52 <Plugh> bah. mono seems to be tagging some recent releases instead of branching.
2018-01-09 20:53 <Plugh> 4.8 is latest branch but 5.4 is tagged.
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2018-01-12 00:50 <Tampa> Compiles but spews more warnings than normal
2018-01-12 00:58 <Ubit> thats normal
2018-01-12 00:58 <Ubit> ( and my xml fight add some 20 warnings.. )
2018-01-12 00:59 <Tampa> Mainly that autogeneratebindingredirect
2018-01-12 01:01 <Tampa> usr/lib/mono/msbuild/15.0/bin/Microsoft.Common.CurrentVersion.targets(2003,5): warning MSB3276: Found conflicts between different versions of the same dependent assembly. Please set the "AutoGenerateBindingRedirects" property to true in the project file. For more information, see
2018-01-12 01:01 <Tampa> http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=294190.
2018-01-12 01:01 <Ubit> uff
2018-01-12 01:02 <Ubit> you did clean the solution and runprebuild ?
2018-01-12 01:02 <Tampa> Wiped the workspace and then let jenkins build
2018-01-12 01:03 <Tampa> Search is also apparently unable to find interfaces and scenes now
2018-01-12 01:04 <Tampa> https://pastebin.com/9K8c7wk5 This is what's new after the prebuild change
2018-01-12 01:05 <Tampa> Granted they are just warnings still some of these may actually result in issues down the line especially if Seach cannot find something it needs
2018-01-12 01:08 <Ubit> ok that is another thing added on 4.5.1
2018-01-12 01:09 <Tampa> I added that autogenerate to my prebuild lets see if that fixes it
2018-01-12 01:10 <Ubit> think it cames bc we have libs targeting other frameworks
2018-01-12 01:10 <Ubit> ( inc 2.0 )
2018-01-12 01:10 <Tampa> Most concerned about that warning of Search saying it cannot find the scenes and interfaces, that's what it ties into no?
2018-01-12 01:10 <Ubit> "Starting with Visual Studio 2013, when you compile apps that target the .NET Framework 4.5.1, binding redirects may be automatically added to the app configuration file to override assembly unification. Binding redirects are added if your app or its components reference more than one version of the same assembly"
2018-01-12 01:24 <Tampa> -.- jenkins if you could build more than twice before crashing I would be really happy
2018-01-12 01:41 <Tampa> Hm seems that adding it does not resolve the warning
2018-01-12 02:17 <Ubit> 55 Warning(s)
2018-01-12 02:17 <Ubit> with msbuild mono 5.4.1.6
2018-01-12 02:17 <Tampa> Getting 80
2018-01-12 02:18 <BillBlight> I get 62
2018-01-12 02:19 <BillBlight> and btw tampa that <AutoGenerateBindingRedirects>true</AutoGenerateBindingRedirects> does work, but the prebuild does not understand it yet, so it would have to be added to the generated .csproj files manually at least until we have a new prebuild.exe that understands the <PropertyGroup>
2018-01-12 02:19 <Ubit> i don't get those warnings
2018-01-12 02:19 <BillBlight> which warnings?
2018-01-12 02:20 <Ubit> AutoGenerateBindingRedirects
2018-01-12 02:20 <Ubit> i get other thing
2018-01-12 02:20 <Ubit> i can't paste still
2018-01-12 02:21 <Ubit> ( compiling again )
2018-01-12 02:21 <BillBlight> I'm going to compile raw httptests see what I get on my box
2018-01-12 02:22 <Ubit>    55 Warning(s)
2018-01-12 02:22 <Ubit>     0 Error(s)
2018-01-12 02:22 <Ubit> Time Elapsed 00:05:20.07
2018-01-12 02:22 <Ubit> ohh i got at end
2018-01-12 02:23 <Tampa> Avatar/BakedTextures/XBakesModule.cs(127,29): warning CS0618: 'XmlTextReader.ProhibitDtd' is obsolete: 'Use DtdProcessing property instead.'
2018-01-12 02:23 <Ubit> that again?? i know
2018-01-12 02:23 <Tampa> Just reporting :)
2018-01-12 02:24 <Ubit> its the fix for the error you had when i used DtdProcessing
2018-01-12 02:24 <Ubit> ( and our old jenkins )
2018-01-12 02:30 <Ubit> now what mono versions do really suport .net4.6 and or .net4.5.2 ?
2018-01-12 02:30 <Ubit> ( my region also does run )
2018-01-12 02:31 <Tampa> I'm trying to find a more recent version of prebuild, but I can only find things dating back all the way to 2008
2018-01-12 02:31 <Ubit> no
2018-01-12 02:31 <Tampa> Has this really been untouched since then?
2018-01-12 02:31 <Ubit> i did compile the one we have not
2018-01-12 02:31 <Ubit> now
2018-01-12 02:33 <Tampa> Just wondering cause that schema referenced gives a 404 over on sourceforge :/
2018-01-12 02:33 <BillBlight> yes ubit has already fixed the prebuild, there is a new one in httptests
2018-01-12 02:36 <Tampa> I'm getting at the fact that if aurogeneratebindingredirects is not recognized by it and thus not added to the project files then that needs to be added to the prebuild schema
2018-01-12 02:36 <BillBlight> yep, already found the part of the source code that needs it
2018-01-12 02:36 <Ubit> bc it is NEW
2018-01-12 02:36 <Ubit> and ignore it.. it is usefull
2018-01-12 02:37 <BillBlight> ignore it
2018-01-12 02:37 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-01-12 02:37 <BillBlight> it is actually ignoring the <PropertyGroup> xml section, so that config option does not get put in the right place
2018-01-12 02:37 <BillBlight> prebuild just needs to be aware of <PropertyGroup>
2018-01-12 02:38 <Ubit> it is unknown to Prebuild
2018-01-12 02:38 <BillBlight> yes
2018-01-12 02:38 <BillBlight> and as such would need to be added to the prebuild soruce
2018-01-12 02:38 <BillBlight> source too
2018-01-12 02:38 <Ubit> possible ill just hack it like i did to prefer32bit :)
2018-01-12 02:38 <BillBlight> hehe
2018-01-12 02:38 <BillBlight> yes I sent you the code snippit where it looks like it needs to be added
2018-01-12 02:39 <BillBlight> in the xsd
2018-01-12 02:41 <Tampa> What confuses me ms puts Configuration inside the propertygroup
2018-01-12 03:13 <Ubit> not means note :p
2018-01-12 03:13 <Ubit> one of them
2018-01-12 03:18 <Tampa> The articles ms writes on this stuff, well... shouldnt be surprised. Couple other warnings in here that are not related though.
2018-01-12 03:44 <Ubit> oops oops my linux region on my local grid is talking to my regions at osgrid lol
2018-01-12 03:45 <Ubit> but both with last changes seem working
2018-01-12 03:47 <Ubit> ( of course there may be hidden issues from the new version, and of course most code is for 2.0 :p )
2018-01-12 03:48 <Tampa> I still have warnings, missing assemblies and other stuff and some of those warnings certainly hint at potential issues with stuff not working
2018-01-12 03:50 <Ubit> nopes not necessary
2018-01-12 03:50 <BillBlight> actually they don't they are mainly just MS complaining because Opensim reuses things
2018-01-12 03:50 <Ubit> 03:50:12 - [DATASNAPSHOT]: Exception on writing to file DataSnapshot/UbitRegion_LandSnapshot.xml: Sharing violation on path /home/ld/opensim/git/opensim/bin/DataSnapshot/UbitRegion_LandSnapshot.xml
2018-01-12 03:50 <Ubit> errr hmm  ??
2018-01-12 03:51 <Tampa> InstantMessage/XMuteModule.cs(211,21): warning CS0114: 'MuteTableHandler.Delete(string[], string[])' hides inherited member
2018-01-12 03:55 <Ubit> i did remove that didn't i ?
2018-01-12 03:56 <Ubit> oops i didn't
2018-01-12 04:12 <Ubit> but that warning is a warning.. 
2018-01-12 04:13 <Ubit> it did work ok
2018-01-12 04:35 <Ubit> of course i forget to fix  MuteListModule = MuteListModuleTst on opensim.ini :)
2018-01-12 04:36 <Ubit> ( to MuteListModule = MuteListModule
2018-01-12 04:36 <Ubit>  )
2018-01-12 13:58 <osmantis> Bug #8003:04 [OS FUNCTION IMPROVEMENT REQUEST] osForceCreateLink work slowly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8003 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
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2018-01-12 20:50 <Tampa> Are the tests jenkins performs described anywhere? I can only find the page on the wiki, but that does not seem to have them listed.
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2018-01-12 22:25 <Ubit> never seen.. other than sources :p
2018-01-12 22:26 <Ubit> you mean nunit ones right?
2018-01-12 22:26 <Ubit> well same, the names tell it
2018-01-12 22:27 <Tampa> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Automated_Testing
2018-01-12 22:27 <Ubit> yeap describes how to mk one
2018-01-12 22:28 <Ubit> but not that relevant
2018-01-12 22:28 <Tampa> but does not list the ones jenkins runs
2018-01-12 22:28 <Ubit> some are just bad
2018-01-12 22:29 <Ubit> but well usefull to detect some basic issues
2018-01-12 22:29 <Ubit> but is a dev thing...
2018-01-12 22:31 <Ubit> ( and know one dev that sometimes just kills them :p )
2018-01-12 22:32 <Tampa> It would be useful to have the tests jenkins runs listed somewhere
2018-01-12 22:32 <Ubit> what for?
2018-01-12 22:33 <Ubit> well it is on jenkins console page :)
2018-01-12 22:33 <Tampa> I mean the sources
2018-01-12 22:34 <Ubit> some are all over the place
2018-01-12 22:34 <Tampa> As to why, in order to test and make sure changes are not breaking functionality
2018-01-12 22:34 <Ubit> thats their purpose in teo
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2018-01-13 03:51 <osmantis> Bug #8003:04 [OS FUNCTION IMPROVEMENT REQUEST] osForceCreateLink work slowly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8003 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-01-13 04:01 <osmantis> Bug #8278:04 Up and Down arrow keys fail after a sim crossing in a vehicle 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8278 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-01-13 09:45 <BOAN[N]> little question, i workin on the region web-base xml request, is er some way to sercure the request that only opensim get the informaition, instead the user by brouwser request 
2018-01-13 10:09 <BillBlight> Not sure , but there should be nothing propritary in the xml anyway, if someone wants it all they have to do is HG to a region and they can look at their console and get pretty much all the info anyway
2018-01-13 10:11 <BillBlight> Not sure that would be worth the trouble of securing, as if someone really wants the info they could get it various ways anyway
2018-01-13 10:28 <BOAN[N]> oke ;) 
2018-01-13 10:37 <Tampa> All the http stuff, which I'm guessing includes the xml, generally include the type of agent requesting the data, meaning you can see who is asking, although how to test for that I do not know. Also possible to fake that data and pretend to be someone else anyways.
2018-01-13 11:13 <BOAN[N]> I thought there was something in it, but that turned out to be an httprequest for something else section network, independent of the regions.xml
2018-01-13 13:41 <osmantis> Bug #8278:04 Up and Down arrow keys fail after a sim crossing in a vehicle 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8278 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-01-13 14:49 <osmantis> Bug #8278:04 Up and Down arrow keys fail after a sim crossing in a vehicle 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8278 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-01-13 18:36 <Ubit> with this changes possible a clean and runprebuild is needed !!
2018-01-13 18:37 <Ubit> well most sure it is
2018-01-13 18:37 <Ubit> like msbuild /p:Configuration=Release /t:clean 
2018-01-13 18:37 <Ubit> ./runprebuild.sh
2018-01-13 18:37 <Ubit> like msbuild /p:Configuration=Release
2018-01-13 18:38 <Ubit> ( i don't care much for debug on mono at this point, i can't do much with it )
2018-01-13 20:18 <BOAN[N]> how many people are here develping with php ? 
2018-01-13 20:28 <djphil> i made some php for opensim
2018-01-13 20:29 <djphil> (but not expert)
2018-01-13 20:30 <Plugh> I use PHP for a number of things.
2018-01-13 20:32 <BOAN[N]> oke, a look for working php to xm fer the regions... but if i do for example <?php $region->regionUUID; ?> the xml will not work 
2018-01-13 20:32 <BillBlight> I use php for a bit, mostly just beat up existing PHP things till they do what I want ..
2018-01-13 20:32 <BOAN[N]> and i have never work whit xml before ;) 
2018-01-13 20:33 <BOAN[N]> most how i work is whit json and pasing it to jquery 
2018-01-13 20:34 <djphil> you can use somethink like this to create xml
2018-01-13 20:34 <djphil> $newsXML = new SimpleXMLElement("<Nini></Nini>");
2018-01-13 20:34 <djphil> that what i use on my region xml generator (web region)
2018-01-13 20:35 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-01-13 20:35 <djphil> what ?
2018-01-13 20:35 <BillBlight> that is exactly what I sent him in a message djphil
2018-01-13 20:35 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-01-13 20:35 <djphil> IM you mean ?
2018-01-13 20:35 <BillBlight> yes
2018-01-13 20:35 <djphil> hehe
2018-01-13 20:36 <Plugh> BOAN[N]: That is PHP markup. That isn't proper XML.
2018-01-13 20:36 <BOAN[N]> idd, i wil read it and work it out to working system ;) 
2018-01-13 20:37 <BillBlight> maybe poke djphil some more, I know as he said he has an xml region generator , I played with it . works
2018-01-13 20:37 <Plugh> BOAN[N]: What are you trying to do?
2018-01-13 20:37 <djphil> hre you can found a region xml model http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Configuring_Regions
2018-01-13 20:38 <Plugh> BOAN[N]: If you want to see some PHP code that processes XML data from the datasnapshot module of OpenSim look at the PHP file that is part of the OpenSimSearch module.
2018-01-13 20:39 <BOAN[N]> yes i hafe al rady play file setup on the same construction; little confusing in the opensim.ini it wil explane <root> <regions>
2018-01-13 20:39 <djphil> here a little more https://pastebin.com/CfLh9dDV
2018-01-13 20:40 <BOAN[N]> lol ;) oke i like this ;) 
2018-01-13 20:41 <BillBlight> BOAN[N] djphil is a smart guy, but don't tell him I said so .... ooops ....  LOL
2018-01-13 20:41 <BillBlight> :P
2018-01-13 20:42 <BOAN[N]> evry one has is own skils... i know lot, but not evrything 
2018-01-13 20:43 <BOAN[N]> is alway what a sayd to people ;) 
2018-01-13 21:10 <Plugh> BOAN[N]: BTW, "$region->regionUUID;" is not a valid PHP statement. Did you mean to assign the region UUID to a variable?
2018-01-13 21:14 <Plugh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1743148 for those who may be interested in eeschema acting like Pac Man.  
2018-01-13 21:28 <BOAN[N]> Plutgh, $region->regionUUID is fetching data from object you can do also as array $region["regionUUID"]
2018-01-13 21:29 <Plugh> yes, but you weren't doing anything with the value.
2018-01-13 21:29 <BOAN[N]> bu i get al raedy help.. and it wil working ;), i type here only examles codes, 
2018-01-13 21:30 <Plugh> https://github.com/kcozens/OpenSimSearch/blob/master/webroot/parser.php
2018-01-13 21:31 <djphil> it work now ?
2018-01-13 21:31 <Plugh> BOAN[N]: ok. It was just that the one sample you pasted here earlier wouldn't do anything.
2018-01-13 21:33 <BOAN[N]> i know, but why you wil try my code out with out know my backhand ;) i can do in my case $region->name of $region->uuid in a foreach loop, and the data wil fetching from the database,
2018-01-13 21:35 <BOAN[N]> yes djphil it is working ;) 
2018-01-13 21:38 <Plugh> BOAN[N]: its ok. You have aren't getting my point about your post. You have your code working so nm.
2018-01-13 21:39 <BOAN[N]> what is meaning nm ?? 
2018-01-13 21:40 <BillBlight> BOAN[N] nm = never mind 
2018-01-13 21:40 <BOAN[N]> oke ;) 
2018-01-13 21:41 <BOAN[N]> i understand ;) 
2018-01-13 21:41 <paela_> Plugh the lasted rev of your php for the search work well ?
2018-01-13 21:44 <Plugh> yes.
2018-01-13 21:44 <paela_> need use a  update module too ?
2018-01-13 21:46 <Plugh> paela_: It depends on what version you are using. I haven't changed the module code in a while. I just updated the PHP code.
2018-01-13 21:46 <paela_> first version working in 9.0 i think
2018-01-13 21:48 <Plugh> Hm... I just checked the list of reported issues. I haven't tried it with data exposure set to all. I'll have to check that. If that doesn't work that would be a possible bug in the DataSnapshot module.
2018-01-13 21:48 <djphil> Plugh : The last time I tested your, the datasnapshot did not save all the objects I had configured with "show in search"
2018-01-13 21:49 <Plugh> djphil: If you had objects flagged with "show in search" those should be in the results. Other items not flagged would not show with "minimum" but perhaps they should with "all".
2018-01-13 21:51 <djphil> Yes he should, but he does not
2018-01-13 21:51 <djphil> +/- 1 Year ago
2018-01-13 21:55 <Plugh> djphil: I'm just having a quick look at the code. I'm not sure if "all" is really supported or not.
2018-01-13 21:55 <Plugh> I'm thinking it isn't.
2018-01-13 21:55 <paela_> all are used for send the infos of land sell etc if i remember
2018-01-13 21:56 <djphil> Before it worked I think
2018-01-13 21:56 <osmantis> Bug #8279:04 OpenSim Stats SimExtraStatsCollector.cs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8279 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-01-13 21:57 <djphil> But things like popular place for example does not work, always stays empty
2018-01-13 21:57 <djphil> Like other chosed besides
2018-01-13 21:57 <Plugh> That's the first thing. What does "all" really mean in terms of what should show up in search results and what should not? 
2018-01-13 21:58 <Plugh> I've only ever used "minimum"
2018-01-13 21:59 <djphil> I can certify that I am cochait "show in search" with the ini configuration on "everything" and I will see my objects in the web search
2018-01-13 22:00 <djphil> no tested with "minimum"
2018-01-13 22:00 <djphil> cochais = check*
2018-01-13 22:01 <Plugh> Ah. It won't check land data unless "all" is set, or "minimum" and show in search is set.
2018-01-13 22:03 <Plugh> From what I'm seeing, "all" or "minimum" is used to determine which parcels are checked for items but those items still need to be set for show in search.
2018-01-13 22:04 <djphil> true
2018-01-13 22:11 <Plugh> djphil: When you use "all" what are you expecting to happen?
2018-01-13 22:12 <djphil> When I had tried it, there is about one, just I get up some prim on the area. Then I wait for the datasnapshot and then I check using the search
2018-01-13 22:13 <Ubit> you can see the datasnap info on /Datasnapshot
2018-01-13 22:13 <Ubit> i think
2018-01-13 22:13 <djphil> Of course object on the box 'show in search' checked
2018-01-13 22:13 <djphil> ha ok, don't know that
2018-01-13 22:14 <Ubit> it stores a copy there
2018-01-13 22:14 <djphil> that can help me to debug :)
2018-01-13 22:15 <Ubit> ( mb a config option.. check )
2018-01-13 22:15 <Plugh> You can also use the URL to get the XML data. For this type of testing you want a short refresh time set for the module.
2018-01-13 22:16 <Plugh> http://host:port/?method=collector
2018-01-13 22:16 <Plugh> The port is the one in the hostsregister table.
2018-01-13 22:17 <Plugh> If you are expecting "all" to mean list all objects in all parcels whether the objects are set to show in search or not, I don't think that is how the code is set, or what you would want.
2018-01-13 22:19 <djphil> Just that the object I check silk in search ... simply
2018-01-13 22:20 <djphil> i made my own web search too
2018-01-13 22:20 <djphil> http://digigrids.no-ip.org/osmodules/ossearch/
2018-01-13 22:20 <djphil> abel to work with your module
2018-01-13 22:20 <djphil> and too this one http://digigrids.no-ip.org/search/ (revisited)
2018-01-13 22:21 <djphil> able*
2018-01-13 22:43 <Ubit> ( that means it as no relation to actual eventual release version)
2018-01-13 22:43 <BillBlight> glad you clarified that before people pounced on it
2018-01-13 22:43 <Ubit> im running both master and httptests side by side.. gets confusing in world :)
2018-01-13 22:44 <Ubit> also code on master will possible come out as 0.9 still
2018-01-13 22:44 <Ubit> postfixes or 0.9.0.1 :p
2018-01-13 22:45 <Ubit> well a framework change is kinda a large change
2018-01-13 22:45 <Ubit> but httptests if all goes ok mb  0.9.1 release.. dunno
2018-01-13 22:46 <Ubit> for now it just so we can see where we are inworld :)
2018-01-13 22:50 <paela_> ops not have see you in simu
2018-01-13 22:50 <paela_> sorry
2018-01-13 22:51 <djphil> Ubit : Can you make the .version silk file automatically create with compile.bat in the future?
2018-01-13 22:52 <Ubit> i don't use compile.bat :)
2018-01-13 22:55 <djphil> Try! :)
2018-01-13 23:24 <paela_> have no sens make a .version empty in the default .version need to be added only if needed to be used
2018-01-13 23:26 <djphil> Unless I'm mistaken, it's used by the Ossl function
2018-01-13 23:27 <Ubit> mistaken u are
2018-01-13 23:27 <Ubit> i hope lol
2018-01-13 23:28 <Melanie_T> i know it at least was used at some point
2018-01-13 23:28 <Ubit> it should not :(
2018-01-13 23:28 <Melanie_T> i believe it was when we faked a linear versioning system (e.g. build number)
2018-01-13 23:28 <Ubit> ok
2018-01-13 23:28 <Melanie_T> there was (is?) a script on jenkins that would fill tat file 
2018-01-13 23:29 <Melanie_T> in order to show in the client a number that users could compare to see whether their version is "newer"
2018-01-13 23:29 <Melanie_T> if it's not present, the git hash is shown instead
2018-01-13 23:29 <djphil> No chance, this  one use it osGetSimulatorVersion
2018-01-13 23:31 <Ubit>  return m_simulatorVersion;
2018-01-13 23:31 <paela_> now versionInfo.cs have all infos 
2018-01-13 23:31 <paela_> string versionString = "OpenSim " + versionNumber + " " + flavour;
2018-01-13 23:31 <paela_>             return versionString.PadRight(VERSIONINFO_VERSION_LENGTH);
2018-01-13 23:31 <paela_> .version are needed only if you wanna make a personnal addons version showed
2018-01-13 23:37 <Ubit> having the commit hash is usefull, since we do change things keeping version the same
2018-01-13 23:37 <Ubit> but hashs came from git
2018-01-14 01:24 <Ubit> down to 3265 warnings :p
2018-01-14 01:26 <Plugh> That's still an awful lot of warnings.
2018-01-14 01:26 <Ubit> half are about our use of "events"
2018-01-14 01:27 <Ubit> ( this are warnings including code analisis)
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2018-01-14 22:08 <osmantis> Bug #8003:04 [OS FUNCTION IMPROVEMENT REQUEST] osForceCreateLink work slowly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8003 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-01-15 01:34 <osmantis> Bug #8003:04 [OS FUNCTION IMPROVEMENT REQUEST] osForceCreateLink work slowly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8003 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-01-15 01:36 <djphil> Ubit you arround ?
2018-01-15 01:36 <djphil> What is exactly ScriptDelayFactor ?
2018-01-15 01:37 <djphil> Not sur that improve llCreateLink  ...
2018-01-15 02:02 <Plugh> djphil: Some functions have a built-in delay to limit their use. The delay value is multiplied by the script factor to determine how long the real amount of time by which the function will be delayed.
2018-01-15 02:04 <djphil> This concerns all the functions that have a delay?
2018-01-15 02:05 <djphil> i'm testing the script offers by mewtwo0641
2018-01-15 02:06 <djphil> It's horrible, it can not bind more than 16 prims about
2018-01-15 02:07 <djphil> I rezzed +/- 300 prim and put his script in a prims in the middle
2018-01-15 02:07 <djphil> when I click and wait a little ... I see only some prims are linked ... disaster!
2018-01-15 02:08 <djphil> with ScriptDelayFactor on 0.0 or on 1.0, result is same ... just faster with 0.0
2018-01-15 02:36 <osmantis> Bug #8003:04 [OS FUNCTION IMPROVEMENT REQUEST] osForceCreateLink work slowly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8003 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-01-15 02:43 <osmantis> Bug #8280:04 [SCRIPT] LlCreateLink and OsForceCreateLink do not lin more than 16 prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8280 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2018-01-15 02:44 <osmantis> Bug #8280:04 [SCRIPT] LlCreateLink and OsForceCreateLink do not link more than 16 prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8280 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2018-01-15 02:46 <osmantis> Bug #8003:04 [OS FUNCTION IMPROVEMENT REQUEST] osForceCreateLink work slowly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8003 ): Eine Notiz wurde zu diesem Eintrag hinzugefügt.
2018-01-15 02:48 <osmantis> Bug #8003:04 [OS FUNCTION IMPROVEMENT REQUEST] osForceCreateLink work slowly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8003 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-01-15 02:50 <osmantis> Bug #8280:04 [SCRIPT] LlCreateLink and OsForceCreateLink do not link more than 16 prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8280 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2018-01-15 02:50 <osmantis> Bug #8280:04 [SCRIPT] LlCreateLink and OsForceCreateLink do not link more than 16 prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8280 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2018-01-15 02:52 <Plugh> Some functions may need to be used with a bit of a delay. If you call it too fast it may not work properly. I found that if I try and rez and move prims when building a dome. 
2018-01-15 02:53 <djphil> yes, that i found too with molecule rezzer :)
2018-01-15 02:53 <djphil> but i temporise with smile sleep
2018-01-15 02:53 <djphil> not with a forced delay
2018-01-15 02:55 <djphil> ScriptDelay Factor seems solve the delay but isn't individual
2018-01-15 03:24 <osmantis> Bug #8003:04 [OS FUNCTION IMPROVEMENT REQUEST] osForceCreateLink work slowly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8003 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-01-15 05:23 <osmantis> Bug #8003:04 [OS FUNCTION IMPROVEMENT REQUEST] osForceCreateLink work slowly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8003 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-01-15 05:30 <osmantis> Bug #8003:04 [OS FUNCTION IMPROVEMENT REQUEST] osForceCreateLink work slowly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8003 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-01-15 07:23 <BOAN[N]> what is meening the option Realm = "useraccounts" or Realm = "UserProfiles" in robust.HG.ini
2018-01-15 07:42 <Tampa> Database table
2018-01-15 07:44 <BillBlight> yep
2018-01-15 07:45 <BOAN[N]> oke thanks ;)
2018-01-15 13:41 <BOAN[N]> is it possble to upload iar file whit the remoteadmin ?? 
2018-01-15 15:29 <osmantis> Bug #8281:04 Textures on prim not permament #Bug in OS 0.9.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8281 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-01-15 15:51 <djphil> yes BOAN[N], with admin_console_command
2018-01-15 20:37 <BOAN[N]> oke, djphil i will test it out 
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2018-01-15 23:26 <djphil> BOAN[N] maybee this can help you ... https://github.com/MarcelEdward/OpenSim-RemoteAdmin ;)
2018-01-16 00:01 <BOAN[N]> thnks djphil, a use this php class all ready built in or own system; but on the orginal webpage it is not explaint alway well; or a dont understand is secend option ;) ;)  ;) ;)  ;) ;) 
2018-01-16 00:24 <Marco_D> @BOAN[N] do you know the rest console. i use it for my web console and its posible to send every command to it. http://opensimulator.org/wiki/RestConsole
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2018-01-16 01:34 <BOAN[N]> Marco_D, i have never hurt of it 
2018-01-16 01:53 <djphil> Something has been planned for Animesh in Opensim?
2018-01-16 01:53 <Ubit> not withou seeing what it is
2018-01-16 01:53 <Ubit> and if we can follow on that
2018-01-16 01:54 <djphil> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Animesh_User_Guide
2018-01-16 01:54 <Ubit> i know
2018-01-16 01:54 <djphil> and http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Project_Animesh/5.0.10.330058
2018-01-16 01:54 <Ubit> what viewers do suport it ?
2018-01-16 01:54 <djphil> this one! lol
2018-01-16 01:54 <Ubit> not that usefull :p
2018-01-16 01:55 <paela_> hm
2018-01-16 01:56 <Ubit> meanwhile we do have npcs...
2018-01-16 01:57 <Ubit> not sure we want to follow another sl hack
2018-01-16 01:57 <djphil> Not 360 Pa,os ?
2018-01-16 01:57 <djphil> Panos *
2018-01-16 01:57 <Ubit> panos?
2018-01-16 01:58 <djphil> 360° Panoramics Photo Tools
2018-01-16 01:58 <djphil> that viewer part
2018-01-16 01:58 <Ubit> thats viewer side only i guess
2018-01-16 01:58 <djphil> true
2018-01-16 01:58 <Ubit> animesh will need server code
2018-01-16 01:58 <djphil> ( Second Life Project 360 Snapshot Viewer )
2018-01-16 01:59 <Ubit> for now im busy breaking httptests lol
2018-01-16 02:00 <Ubit> well that name is not obsolete uff
2018-01-16 02:00 <Ubit> ... now...
2018-01-16 02:00 <paela_> ubit like sl of 2007 :p
2018-01-16 02:00 <Ubit> its now more a fork then just a branch  grrr
2018-01-16 02:00 <djphil> and Plugh Pac Man lol
2018-01-16 02:01 <Ubit> and you 2 like bans ? 
2018-01-16 02:01 <Ubit> :P
2018-01-16 02:01 <Ubit> kidding :)
2018-01-16 02:01 <Plugh> djphil: ?
2018-01-16 02:01 <djphil> i can go my self, ty
2018-01-16 02:02 <paela_> bans of ?
2018-01-16 02:02 <paela_> :)
2018-01-16 02:02 <Ubit> :)
2018-01-16 02:02 <djphil> Nothçing Plugh, just a joke
2018-01-16 02:05 <Ubit> yeack my test region at osg is now a bit odd..  at osg, but groups, profiles and mutes from my robust :)
2018-01-16 02:05 <Ubit> those osg modules are obsolete :p
2018-01-16 02:06 <paela_> before osgrid use groupv2 maybe rewrite it correctly for thats run ok :)
2018-01-16 02:06 <Ubit> it seems running ok
2018-01-16 02:06 <Ubit> fs  bahh
2018-01-16 02:06 <Ubit> what a crap
2018-01-16 02:07 <paela_> work well with small group and small user in useraccount not in a big grid sorry
2018-01-16 02:07 <paela_> the time group call presence is a big mess
2018-01-16 02:07 <paela_> with groupv2
2018-01-16 02:08 <paela_> for send a notice in a group with 5000 users in need 15 minutes
2018-01-16 02:09 <Ubit> that sounds ok
2018-01-16 02:09 <paela_> no
2018-01-16 02:09 <paela_> floatsame is 40 sec max
2018-01-16 02:09 <Ubit> do the math on that..
2018-01-16 02:10 <Ubit> mb you would like to still have a grid/region doing something else
2018-01-16 02:10 <Ubit> again the idea unconditional fast is better
2018-01-16 02:10 <Ubit> with no system view
2018-01-16 02:11 <Ubit> i don't care about a tree if the forest dies
2018-01-16 02:11 <paela_> can understand but again peoples hate wait
2018-01-16 02:11 <Ubit> tradeoffs...
2018-01-16 02:12 <Ubit> and testing on small grids so far, does not help much on tunning those
2018-01-16 02:13 <paela_> I invited you to do the test on the test grid of osgrid for 1 month you told me that you were not interested remember my im in osgrid :)
2018-01-16 02:14 <Ubit> don't think i said that on those terms.. but well
2018-01-16 02:15 <Ubit> and i can't go break groups when im breaking something else :p
2018-01-16 02:15 <Ubit> uff i already have 2 much opened issues
2018-01-16 02:16 <paela_> i understand
2018-01-16 02:16 <Ubit> this -net testing..   testing ode.dll with avx suport..  etc :)
2018-01-16 02:16 <Ubit> improve its mesh/mesh collider
2018-01-16 02:17 <Ubit> had closer binding btw broad band and narrow band...
2018-01-16 02:17 <Ubit> have...
2018-01-16 02:18 <paela_> with dan we have tested all fonctions of groupv2 in real condition grid and feedback already in your im the problem of groups support after the migration done i can make a mantis about groupv2 issues
2018-01-16 02:18 <Ubit> if .net4.6 holds..  changing all libomv math to use the new .net SIMD
2018-01-16 02:19 <Ubit> guess xml did got more code updates.. just bc i could run it at osg
2018-01-16 02:19 <paela_> is more a problem of flood presence services for groupv2
2018-01-16 17:18 <Ubit> Ohh crap
2018-01-16 17:18 <Ubit> lol
2018-01-16 17:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #5853 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-01-16 17:24 <Ubit> tampa going to add more than 20 warnings on httptests
2018-01-16 17:24 <Ubit> damm :)
2018-01-16 17:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5853: SUCCESS in 9 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5853/
2018-01-16 17:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  do not timeout BackupWorker threads
2018-01-16 17:28 <Ubit> ohh well 21 files to change again later.. but will reduce git merge issues with master
2018-01-16 17:29 <Ubit> ( and those things are needed if for some reason httptests needs to go back to .net < 4.5.2
2018-01-16 19:03 <Plugh> Weekly meeting in osgrid is about to start.
2018-01-16 19:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #5854 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-01-16 19:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5854: SUCCESS in 5 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5854/
2018-01-16 19:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Ooops...  fix the parentesis
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2018-01-16 22:22 <Tampa> Did the webserver crash again or is it just me?
2018-01-16 22:30 <Bill_Blight> just you
2018-01-16 23:54 <Ubit> oops
2018-01-17 00:00 <Plugh> oops?
2018-01-17 00:01 <Ubit> yeap oops
2018-01-17 00:18 <Ubit> odd it should be there already
2018-01-17 00:18 <Ubit> or did i deleted it by mistake ?
2018-01-17 00:19 <Ubit> i mean on the box
2018-01-17 00:20 <Ubit> nopes master does not have it
2018-01-17 00:21 <Ubit> guess i did compile againts a diferent version
2018-01-17 00:21 <Ubit> that did commit now
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2018-01-17 23:39 <BOAN[N]> little question, is it bosble to difine a port in the database settings in the inifiles ? 
2018-01-18 00:08 <Marco_D> @BOAN[N] https://www.connectionstrings.com/mysql/
2018-01-18 00:09 <Plugh> pesty??  :)
2018-01-18 00:10 <BOAN[N]> thanks @Marco_D
2018-01-18 00:26 <Ubit> uff changes without any visible advantage..  whatever
2018-01-18 00:27 <Ubit> maintnance ones lets say
2018-01-18 00:29 <Ubit> well code still seems to run :p
2018-01-18 00:29 <Ubit> yeack not at osgrid.. grrr
2018-01-18 00:29 <danbanner> we're offline ubit
2018-01-18 00:30 <Ubit> yes dan i know 
2018-01-18 00:30 <Ubit> just of course.. forgot :)
2018-01-18 00:30 <danbanner> :)
2018-01-18 00:30 <Plugh> danbanner: What's happening over at osgrid?
2018-01-18 00:31 <danbanner> migration
2018-01-18 00:31 <danbanner> new server for robust
2018-01-18 00:31 <Plugh> ah, ok. :)
2018-01-18 00:32 <Plugh> Lots of data to be copied between machines.
2018-01-18 00:38 <Ubit> ohh nooo my cat is sitting on my broken laptop during a compile
2018-01-18 00:38 <Ubit> if i kich her it will crash
2018-01-18 04:29 <Ubit> osg down does have some advantages :p
2018-01-18 04:29 <BOAN[N]> osg workin on new server sestem
2018-01-18 04:30 <Ubit> i know
2018-01-18 04:30 <BOAN[N]> oke ;)
2018-01-18 04:31 <BOAN[N]> sorr, for the englische, my keybord have some issues 
2018-01-18 04:31 <Ubit> mine is also bad :p
2018-01-18 04:31 <BOAN[N]> oke lol ;) 
2018-01-18 04:31 <Ubit> and yes.. its my keyboard also.. my english is perfect !!!
2018-01-18 04:32 <Ubit> but the keyboard distorces it all...
2018-01-18 04:32 <BOAN[N]> om; some letters do not work optimally
2018-01-18 04:33 <Ubit> anyone uses MRM module ?
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2018-01-18 13:01 <BOAN[N]> best, in opensim 9.0 database useraccounts you get now bij installation useraccound firstname GRID  lastname SERVICES for what is this account ?? 
2018-01-18 13:05 <Ubit> for services use
2018-01-18 13:05 <Ubit> like chanserv here
2018-01-18 13:05 <Ubit> ( if im reading you right )
2018-01-18 13:06 <BOAN[N]> oke, so i can denied thath account ?
2018-01-18 13:06 <Ubit> no
2018-01-18 13:06 <BOAN[N]> i meen more for the backhand appication
2018-01-18 13:07 <Ubit> if it is for services use  why deny ?
2018-01-18 13:07 <BOAN[N]> so we cant see that account in our backhand syste,
2018-01-18 13:07 <BOAN[N]> system
2018-01-18 13:08 <Ubit> well for other purposes like getting lists of accounts, sure
2018-01-18 13:08 <BOAN[N]> oke 
2018-01-18 13:08 <BOAN[N]> ;) 
2018-01-18 13:08 <Ubit> it also has a fixed uuid
2018-01-18 13:10 <Ubit> 6571e388-6218-4574-87db-f9379718315e
2018-01-18 13:10 <BOAN[N]> oke, always the same ? on eatche system ?  
2018-01-18 13:10 <Ubit> the one for services use yes
2018-01-18 13:11 <BOAN[N]> 6571e388-6218-4574-87db-f9379718315e, lol, but is this not a sercurty leak ?? 
2018-01-18 13:12 <Ubit> anyone can read that on dbs anyway
2018-01-18 13:13 <Ubit> or can see any user uuid in worl, including gods
2018-01-18 13:13 <Ubit> so.. hope not :p
2018-01-18 13:13 <Ubit> or no more that gods uuids
2018-01-18 13:18 <BOAN[N]> idd, but you don`t user the grid service account to log in... and, as on eatch system it is the same, then i cen test inworld script to do somting whit that account on a other grid, i know ther other ways to get the uuid ;)  In the Netherlands we have strict rules when it comes to data security from government
2018-01-18 13:19 <Ubit> well we are no goverment  :p
2018-01-18 13:19 <Ubit> ( or bank... )
2018-01-18 13:19 <BOAN[N]> iknow ;) 
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2018-01-19 02:06 <BOAN[N]> what is webloginkey database field auth 
2018-01-19 02:07 <Ubit> secret info
2018-01-19 02:07 <Ubit> lol :p
2018-01-19 02:07 <BillBlight> super secret squirrel info
2018-01-19 02:08 <BOAN[N]> why ist is than on defauld uuid :: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000
2018-01-19 02:08 <Ubit> man yr disclosing secrets !!
2018-01-19 02:08 <Ubit> :p
2018-01-19 02:09 <Ubit> why did you made public that uuid ???  xiii
2018-01-19 02:10 <BillBlight> HAHA
2018-01-19 02:10 <BOAN[N]> i have evry ware the same uuid in the webloginkey, so i wil try to understand for what it is and what it wil do; lurning the system 
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2018-01-20 07:30 <osmantis> Bug #8266:04 Feature Wish: configurable persistent mute-list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8266 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2018-01-21 20:12 <Ubit> hmm not funny doing a clean with a sim running :)
2018-01-21 20:12 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-01-21 20:12 <BillBlight> Silly, isn't that your middle name Ubit?
2018-01-21 20:12 <Ubit> xiuu thats a secret ( well known )
2018-01-21 21:05 <Ubit> errr firing a sim just after clean also does not work well
2018-01-21 21:05 <Ubit> lol
2018-01-21 21:05 <Ubit> linux is so silly
2018-01-21 21:06 <paela_> hm lol
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2018-01-22 08:53 <osmantis> Bug #8282:04 Settings PRIM_NORMAL, PRIM_SPECULAR, PRIM_ALPHA_MODE, not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8282 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-01-22 13:36 <BOAN[N]> hi all, if i walke in a store a will crase eatch time on specific location, and get the following errors in side the opensim console : Unhandled Exception: System.AccessViolationException: Attempted to read or write protected memory. This is often an indication that other memory is corrupt.
2018-01-22 13:36 <BOAN[N]> at OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModule.ODE.d.Collide(IntPtr o1, IntPtr o2, Int32 flags, ContactGeom[] contact, Int32 skip)
2018-01-22 13:36 <BOAN[N]> at OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModule.ODE.OdeScene.CollideGeoms(IntPtr geom1, IntPtr geom2, Int32 maxContacts, ContactGeom[] contactsArray, Int32 contactGeomSize)
2018-01-22 13:36 <BOAN[N]> in c:\OpenSim\new\OpenSim\Region\PhysicsModules\Ode\OdeScene.cs:line 890 at OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModule.ODE.OdeScene.near(IntPtr space, IntPtr g1, 
2018-01-22 13:36 <BOAN[N]> IntPtr g2) in c:\OpenSim\new\OpenSim\Region\PhysicsModules\Ode\OdeScene.cs:line 1007
2018-01-22 13:36 <BOAN[N]> at OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModule.ODE.d.SpaceCollide2(IntPtr space1, IntPtr space2, IntPtr data, NearCallback callback)
2018-01-22 13:36 <BOAN[N]> at OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModule.ODE.OdeScene.CollideSpaces(IntPtr space1, IntPtr space2, IntPtr data) in c:\OpenSim\new\OpenSim\Region\PhysicsModules\Ode\Ode
2018-01-22 13:36 <BOAN[N]> Scene.cs:line 916 at OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModule.ODE.OdeScene.near(IntPtr space, IntPtr g1, IntPtr g2) 
2018-01-22 13:36 <BOAN[N]> in c:\OpenSim\new\OpenSim\Region\PhysicsModules\Ode\OdeScene.cs:line 958
2018-01-22 13:36 <BOAN[N]> at OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModule.ODE.d.SpaceCollide2(IntPtr space1, IntPtr space2, IntPtr data, NearCallback callback)
2018-01-22 13:36 <BOAN[N]> at OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModule.ODE.OdeScene.CollideSpaces(IntPtr space1, IntPtr space2, IntPtr data) in c:\OpenSim\new\OpenSim\Region\PhysicsModules\Ode\OdeScene.cs:line 916
2018-01-22 13:36 <BOAN[N]> at OpenSim.Region.PhysicsModule.ODE.OdeScene.collision_optimized() in c:\OpenSim\new\OpenSim\Region\PhysicsModules\Ode\OdeScene.cs:line 1559
2018-01-22 15:53 <smxy> BOAN[N]: Please use something like pastebin next time, rather than spamming the channel.
2018-01-22 15:55 <Ubit> if on linux, try increase threads stack max size, see file bin/opensim.sh
2018-01-22 16:09 <BOAN[N]> oke smxy, sorry for the spam ;) 
2018-01-22 16:09 <BOAN[N]> Ubit it is windows system 
2018-01-22 16:11 <Ubit> thats worse then :(
2018-01-22 16:12 <BOAN[N]> i know only windows systems 
2018-01-22 16:12 <Ubit> try delete contents of bin/MeshCache so its rebuilt
2018-01-22 16:13 <Ubit> what opensim version is it?
2018-01-22 16:14 <BOAN[N]> opensim 0.9.0.0
2018-01-22 16:14 <Ubit> the release ?
2018-01-22 16:14 <BOAN[N]> no the source
2018-01-22 16:14 <Ubit> git ?
2018-01-22 16:14 <Ubit> git master ?
2018-01-22 16:15 <BOAN[N]> no zip 
2018-01-22 16:15 <BOAN[N]> downloaded from opensimulator it self 
2018-01-22 16:15 <Ubit> so you can and did compile it?
2018-01-22 16:16 <BOAN[N]> yes it is only whan i walk in a store inworld on specefic location 
2018-01-22 16:16 <Ubit> something bad on that spot i guess
2018-01-22 16:16 <Ubit> well try the cache delete
2018-01-22 16:17 <BOAN[N]> ithink it is mesch, whit no texture on it, it is coming from oar file what i uploaded 
2018-01-22 16:18 <Ubit> as i said give it a try to rebuild the meshs for physics, deleting that cache
2018-01-22 16:18 <Ubit> on restart look to console for any mesh errors
2018-01-22 16:19 <BOAN[N]> oke ;) 
2018-01-22 16:19 <BOAN[N]> thnx for the help ;) 
2018-01-22 16:19 <Ubit> if that fails and you do suspect that object, delete it
2018-01-22 16:20 <Ubit> walk as close you can without crash, then use camera 
2018-01-22 16:21 <Ubit> if you know its uuid, you can delete also on console
2018-01-22 16:26 <BOAN[N]> no i don`t knwo the uuid, atherwise a have it al deleded
2018-01-22 16:28 <Ubit> ok then since you can log, use cam inworld either to delete or get its id
2018-01-22 16:29 <BOAN[N]> i know only the spote where it is inworld, what we doo`t know what object it is, for example when a object hase no texture on it, you can`t see it even in the alpha channel. 
2018-01-22 16:30 <BOAN[N]> but i will try.. whas mor to see or sombady hase faster way to fix it 
2018-01-22 19:57 <osmantis> Bug #8282:04 Settings PRIM_NORMAL, PRIM_SPECULAR, PRIM_ALPHA_MODE, not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8282 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008156.
2018-01-22 19:57 <osmantis> Bug #8156:04 PRIM_NORMAL & PRIM_SPECULAR 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8156 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008282.
2018-01-22 19:57 <Ubit> oops
2018-01-22 19:59 <osmantis> Bug #8282:04 Settings PRIM_NORMAL, PRIM_SPECULAR, PRIM_ALPHA_MODE, not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8282 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008084.
2018-01-22 19:59 <osmantis> Bug #8084:04 [SCRIPT ENGINE] All material constants no implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8084 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008282.
2018-01-22 20:15 <osmantis> Bug #8282:04 Settings PRIM_NORMAL, PRIM_SPECULAR, PRIM_ALPHA_MODE, not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8282 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-01-22 20:45 <osmantis> Bug #8283:04 crash with some mono 5.x versions. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8283 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-01-22 20:46 <osmantis> Bug #8283:04 crash with some mono 5.x versions. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8283 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-01-22 20:47 <BillBlight> Also seemed to be mainly on MACs
2018-01-22 20:47 <Ubit> ohhh ? damm forgot that :p
2018-01-22 20:48 <osmantis> Bug #8283:04 crash with some mono 5.x versions on MAC 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8283 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-01-22 20:48 <Ubit> ok fixed
2018-01-22 20:48 <BillBlight> hehe
2018-01-22 21:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #5855 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-01-22 21:48 <osmantis> Bug #8283:04 crash with some mono 5.x versions on MAC 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8283 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2018-01-22 21:48 <Ubit> grrrr
2018-01-22 21:48 <paela> lol
2018-01-22 21:49 <Ubit> yr fault :p
2018-01-22 21:50 <paela> hhaha nop
2018-01-22 21:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5855: SUCCESS in 9 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5855/
2018-01-22 21:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: try fix mantis 8283
2018-01-22 21:53 <BillBlight> No it is not poor paela's fault .. Blame Apple ...  :P
2018-01-22 21:53 <Ubit> she does have a MAC so her fault!!!
2018-01-22 21:53 <Ubit> :p
2018-01-22 21:53 <paela> is working this
2018-01-22 21:53 <Ubit> fixed?
2018-01-22 21:54 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-01-22 21:54 <paela> have a error on world map lol but is started
2018-01-22 21:54 <Ubit> ok
2018-01-22 21:55 <Ubit> can i close mantis now? :)
2018-01-22 21:55 <paela> i think lol
2018-01-22 21:57 <paela> if you need more test ubit i can test tomorrow
2018-01-22 21:57 <osmantis> Bug #8283:04 crash with some mono 5.x versions on MAC 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8283 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-01-22 22:00 <osmantis> Bug #8283:04 crash with some mono 5.x versions on MAC 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8283 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-01-22 22:00 <Ubit> take 2 :p
2018-01-22 22:39 <smxy> What Mono are people on the bleeding edge using these days? My 5.4.0.56 is getting long in the tooth.
2018-01-22 22:40 <Ubit> ..1.7 is top i think
2018-01-22 22:40 <smxy> Thanks.
2018-01-22 22:40 <Ubit> http://www.mono-project.com/download/
2018-01-22 22:40 <smxy> I'm still running code from August on my grid. Time to move to HEAD. :)
2018-01-22 22:41 <smxy> And the latest Mono.
2018-01-22 22:41 <Ubit> well im messing on branch httptests now
2018-01-22 22:41 <Ubit> moved to .net4.6 
2018-01-22 22:41 <Ubit> to test at least
2018-01-22 22:41 <smxy> Cool.
2018-01-22 22:42 <Ubit> note its config files mb a bit dif...
2018-01-22 22:42 <smxy> Hopefully yoou're making lots of nice changes that will make it back into Master at some point. :)
2018-01-22 22:42 <Ubit> do not activate ssl.. still not done :)
2018-01-22 22:43 <Ubit> well works on a region.. but.. better not  :)
2018-01-22 22:43 <smxy> Okay.
2018-01-22 22:43 <Ubit> i still have the link for your code.. i think :)
2018-01-22 22:44 <Ubit> but several things can now be diferent on .net4.8
2018-01-22 22:44 <Ubit> 4.6
2018-01-22 22:44 <Ubit> some need to be actually
2018-01-22 22:45 <smxy> Interesting. The mono page you gave me the link for is for 5.4.1.7, but if I go to the place I usually download the sources from to build Mono, they are up to 5.8.0.108.
2018-01-22 22:46 <smxy> Added 3 days ago.
2018-01-22 22:46 <Ubit> 1.7 is the stable 
2018-01-22 22:46 <smxy> Who wants to play things safe? Wusses. :P
2018-01-22 22:46 <Ubit> me
2018-01-22 22:46 <Ubit> :p
2018-01-22 22:46 <smxy> :)
2018-01-22 22:47 <paela> what do you use smxy 
2018-01-22 22:47 <paela> win linux mac ?
2018-01-22 22:47 <smxy> Right now, 5.4.0.56, but will be building newer.
2018-01-22 22:47 <Ubit> 
ACTION hides  someone is going to get betten

2018-01-22 22:47 <smxy> Oh I build and run on CentOS 7
2018-01-22 22:48 <Ubit> ohh you survived paela :P
2018-01-22 22:48 <paela> yum install yum-utils
2018-01-22 22:48 <paela> rpm --import "http://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x3FA7E0328081BFF6A14DA29AA6A19B38D3D831EF"
2018-01-22 22:48 <paela> yum-config-manager --add-repo http://download.mono-project.com/repo/centos7/
2018-01-22 22:48 <paela> yum install mono-devel
2018-01-22 22:48 <smxy> I build my own. The distros tend to be too far behind.
2018-01-22 22:49 <Ubit> debian is on 4.6.2 ( or was recently )
2018-01-22 22:49 <paela> is for the 5.4.1 Stable (5.4.1.7)
2018-01-22 22:49 <paela> http://www.mono-project.com/download/#download-lin-centos
2018-01-22 22:50 <smxy> Yes, I assumed the mono repo would be much newer. I'll keep that in mind, in case I need it. Thanks.
2018-01-22 22:51 <Ubit> that recent 5.8 possible does have the last fix for mac
2018-01-22 22:51 <Ubit> but they did said they had it fixed before :)
2018-01-22 22:51 <smxy> I use an iMac, but not to build or run OpenSimulator code on.
2018-01-22 22:51 <Ubit> my workaround should be ok for a lot of time
2018-01-22 22:52 <smxy> I even use Windows, too. Whatever works best for what I need to do. :)
2018-01-22 22:52 <paela> u see ubit he said same of me :D
2018-01-22 22:52 <Ubit> he said he does not use mac for opensim :p
2018-01-22 22:52 <paela> ya is same for some users mac ^^^
2018-01-22 22:52 <smxy> I just run my viewer there (Firestorm).
2018-01-22 22:53 <Ubit> rl brb
2018-01-22 22:56 <smxy> An iMac is not a server. I run my grid on two Dell R810 servers, running XevServer for virtualization, with CentOS 7 VMs running on that. 48 cores and 128 GB of RAM, each. Multiple FreeNAS storage arrays, a Dell 2048 managed switched, and a Netgate SG-8860 pfSense firewall.
2018-01-22 22:56 <smxy> XenServer*
2018-01-22 22:56 <smxy> ... managed switch* ...
2018-01-22 22:56 <smxy> Can't type for shit. :)
2018-01-22 22:56 <paela> :-)
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2018-01-22 23:30 <Aramis^> http://download.mono-project.com/sources/mono/  and http://download.mono-project.com/sources/libgdiplus/  also
2018-01-22 23:33 <ssm2017> hello, i have not read the irc history, i have just seen that you are speaking about mono versions. i have made a bash script to compile mono versions and make a zip to use it as a parrallel env : http://wiki.sebmas.com/mono_debian#parrallel_mono_env
2018-01-22 23:34 <ssm2017> if you have some enhancements to purpose, you can create a git repo and share it too
2018-01-22 23:36 <ssm2017> procedure : put the mono sources bz files to the SOURCE_FOLDER and then, depending on your debian host version, select DEBIAN_VERSION then create the DEST_FOLDER and run the script
2018-01-22 23:36 <ssm2017> if needed...
2018-01-22 23:36 <ssm2017> night all
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2018-01-23 01:06 <bb> Is there any way in OpenSim to manually change the texture inside an upload? I've used the UUID to track down an uploaded asset in my test sim, and I'd like to be able to replace an image texture like you would using Local Bitmaps, only in a way that would allow others to also see the updates in real time.
2018-01-23 02:22 <BillBlight> bb , I am not sure I understand what you are asking, if you uploaded it , it is yours, just change the texture on the object?
2018-01-23 02:23 <BillBlight> if you are trying to hack an object made by someone else, the only way would be through accessing the asset database, finding the texture in the asset you want to replace and replace it with the appropriat UUID
2018-01-23 02:30 <Ubit> Bill we do not  teach how to hack objects like that here :p
2018-01-23 02:31 <Ubit> but he said upload... ?
2018-01-23 02:37 <BillBlight> right was not going to tell him how to do it, but I was confused by the question ..  
2018-01-23 02:37 <Ubit> yeah me 2.. so i didn't tried to answer :)
2018-01-23 02:38 <BillBlight> If it is one of his objects, and he has access, he can make the change perm for all of them, but otherwise, it would be considered a bad thing to do
2018-01-23 02:39 <BillBlight> We do try to only use our powers for good .... LOL
2018-01-23 02:40 <Ubit> just depends on whos good :p
2018-01-23 02:41 <BillBlight> LOL .. Yeah I guess that could be up for debate ... HAHAHAHA
2018-01-23 02:41 <Ubit> :)
2018-01-23 02:44 <Ubit> well sleepy
2018-01-23 02:44 <Ubit> cya
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2018-01-23 11:45 <osmantis> Bug #8003:04 [OS FUNCTION IMPROVEMENT REQUEST] osForceCreateLink work slowly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8003 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-01-23 11:50 <osmantis> Bug #8020:04 [BASE HTTP SERVER] HandleRequest threw 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8020 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2018-01-23 11:50 <osmantis> Bug #8020:04 [BASE HTTP SERVER] HandleRequest threw 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8020 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2018-01-23 13:20 <osmantis> Bug #8003:04 [OS FUNCTION IMPROVEMENT REQUEST] osForceCreateLink work slowly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8003 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-01-23 13:27 <osmantis> Bug #8003:04 [OS FUNCTION IMPROVEMENT REQUEST] osForceCreateLink work slowly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8003 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-01-23 13:30 <osmantis> Bug #8003:04 [OS FUNCTION IMPROVEMENT REQUEST] osForceCreateLink work slowly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8003 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-01-23 13:36 <osmantis> Bug #8003:04 [OS FUNCTION IMPROVEMENT REQUEST] osForceCreateLink work slowly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8003 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-01-23 13:38 <osmantis> Bug #8003:04 [OS FUNCTION IMPROVEMENT REQUEST] osForceCreateLink work slowly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8003 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-01-23 19:06 <Plugh> Time for the weekly meeting in osgrid
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2018-01-24 20:39 <paela> Hello dev the issues with trash inworld are solved or the risk are same ?
2018-01-24 20:44 <Plugh> Talk to your local sanitation department.  ;)
2018-01-24 20:44 <Plugh> paela: What trash issue are you asking about?
2018-01-24 20:45 <paela> the problem of last here of a hacker have found a fail for kill entire inventory with trash stuff
2018-01-24 20:56 <Plugh> I don't recall hearing about that problem. Sounds like one that needs to be discussed in a less public forum.
2018-01-24 21:29 <nebadon_laptop> paela that is a problem that probably cant be resolved on open grid like OSgrid
2018-01-24 21:29 <nebadon_laptop> not without major architectural changes to protocols 
2018-01-24 21:29 <nebadon_laptop> the Region is heavily involved in that process
2018-01-24 21:29 <paela> okay thanks for the right answer :)
2018-01-24 21:51 <osmantis> Bug #8284:04 issue http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4475#bugnotes .... now closed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8284 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2018-01-25 02:07 <smxy> Ubit, Firestorm has dropped a new release which they say disables legacy inventory code and uses http now. Will OpenSim support it? People are forced to update if they want to use it with SL.
2018-01-25 02:13 <Ubit_> we do have http inventory, but no idea of full impact of that
2018-01-25 02:13 <Ubit_> Ubit_ ???
2018-01-25 02:14 <Ubit> if viewers decide to not suport opensim, well ... 2 bad
2018-01-25 02:15 <Ubit> we can discuss protocol changes etc with viewers, but not just bc ll did change
2018-01-25 02:18 <Ubit> oh i do see it lets see their release notes
2018-01-25 02:19 <Ubit> assets also
2018-01-25 02:21 <Ubit> well they do mention opensim suport
2018-01-25 02:34 <Bill_Blight> seems to be working fine for me
2018-01-25 02:34 <Ubit> ok did log.. and it added more crap to my inventory
2018-01-25 02:34 <Ubit> hmm lists opensim lib as new
2018-01-25 02:35 <Ubit> ( i did clear cache of course )
2018-01-25 02:37 <Ubit> well physics view for scuplts does not match the high res ob ubode
2018-01-25 02:37 <Ubit> actually matchs anything.. odd
2018-01-25 02:38 <Ubit> or does not match :)
2018-01-25 02:39 <Ubit> well the convexhull display on edit is jsut broken
2018-01-25 02:41 <Ubit> also on disply physcs shapes
2018-01-25 02:42 <Ubit> well think that never worked on normal prims
2018-01-25 02:44 <nebadon_laptop> I have been using Firestorm 5.0.11 for few days now no problems
2018-01-25 02:44 <nebadon_laptop> even on older OpenSim
2018-01-25 02:44 <Ubit> yeap seems working
2018-01-25 02:48 <Ubit> well convexhull physics shape on edit does work
2018-01-25 02:48 <Ubit> for meshs
2018-01-25 02:48 <Ubit> not for other prims
2018-01-25 02:58 <smxy> Good to know. Thanks for checking. :)
2018-01-25 03:04 <Ubit> well i changed to it lol
2018-01-25 03:05 <Ubit> well still does not do httppipeline
2018-01-25 03:06 <Ubit> i askes them ages ago to change default to false on opensim, they killed it all bahh
2018-01-25 03:06 <Ubit> opps why is my water all white?
2018-01-25 03:09 <Ubit> ok fine again.. possible it was the breakpoint hitted during login
2018-01-25 03:10 <Ubit> well pipeline is not that great anyway
2018-01-25 03:10 <Ubit> at least currently on httptests
2018-01-25 03:11 <Ubit> does not even work on master..
2018-01-25 03:11 <Bill_Blight> So you are saying even if you turn pipelining on in the debug settings it does not enable it?  That is sad
2018-01-25 03:11 <Ubit> yeap fs does not
2018-01-25 03:11 <Ubit> alchemy and kokua do
2018-01-25 03:12 <Ubit> but don't be that sad.. is not that great for us
2018-01-25 03:12 <Ubit> just since on many viewers it is default on ??  better do it
2018-01-25 03:13 <Ubit> master whould close the connection at end of first request.. so forcing a viewer timeout and retry
2018-01-25 03:13 <Bill_Blight> I just mean it is sad that they force disabled it, taking away the option
2018-01-25 03:14 <Ubit> wel i did ask to change the default only for opensim
2018-01-25 03:15 <Bill_Blight> seems like disabling it permanently was a little heavy handed
2018-01-25 03:15 <Ubit> well when and if httptests enters in use someone may ask them to delete that exception
2018-01-25 03:17 <Ubit> ( and thye will not since everyone is on 0.8.2 including the only grid they look at about opensim issues
2018-01-25 03:17 <Bill_Blight> yep
2018-01-25 06:47 <BOAN[N]> little question, can a chanche the folder for opensim.log, a try to find it in opensim.ini
2018-01-25 07:18 <ssm2017> BOAN[N] the logs management is made in the OpenSim.exe.config file
2018-01-25 07:20 <BOAN[N]> oke, and kan a chach it whit out later issues ? 
2018-01-25 08:27 <Bill_Blight> BOAN[N] yes you can change it, there is also code to make it auto rotate the logs per day
2018-01-25 08:29 <Bill_Blight> just remember that it is going to get replaced if you don't exclude it when you update your bin folder
2018-01-25 08:44 <opensim_Environm> hellos, came access the Configger tool and compared output to console 'config show'. alas it does not match and does not recognise Environment shell variables for setting BaseHostname. 
2018-01-25 08:44 <opensim_Environm> http://opensimulator.org/pipermail/opensim-users/2013-November/012882.html
2018-01-25 08:45 <opensim_Environm> the dev's note says its for merging, so i assume it only shows variables not values per 'used for merge' note.
2018-01-25 08:45 <opensim_Environm> (also doesnt seem to recognise a -h, or /h, or help argument for useage.
2018-01-25 08:46 <opensim_Environm> )
2018-01-25 08:46 <Ubit> man your nice is damm long
2018-01-25 08:46 <Ubit> nick
2018-01-25 08:46 <Bill_Blight> yeah that is 4 and a half years old now, not sure it has been updated
2018-01-25 08:46 <opensim_Environm> https://pastebin.com/rw4fs8dv
2018-01-25 08:49 <Bill_Blight> you could just manually merge your ini files into one file, but the better solution for the access denied error is to set you directory perms correctly for the user running the instance ..
2018-01-25 08:50 <Bill_Blight> easiest way is to create a group and make sure that the directories are set to that group
2018-01-25 08:50 <opensim_Environm> the problem is opensimulator wiki says Environment can be used, but alas doesn't wokrs
2018-01-25 08:50 <opensim_Environm> to pipe into the ini's shell vars
2018-01-25 08:50 <Bill_Blight> ummm you have that page handy?
2018-01-25 08:50 <opensim_Environm> the sources does have the patch for reading in Environment
2018-01-25 08:51 <opensim_Environm> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Configuring_Simulator_Parameters
2018-01-25 08:51 <opensim_Environm> (bottom of page)
2018-01-25 08:52 <opensim_Environm> been attempting to add debug statement to track why its not wokrs
2018-01-25 08:54 <Tampa> You know that you can specify a -inifile to start your opensim instance with that will handle overrides for the default configurations found in bin and config-include, effectively the same as those keys or environment variables, just much easier to maintain and use.
2018-01-25 08:55 <opensim_Environm> yes, but i has custom shell scripts to grok my dyndns
2018-01-25 08:56 <opensim_Environm> so would like to just pipe in vars if possible w/o needed to custom edit on-the-fly my ini's
2018-01-25 08:57 <opensim_Environm> e.,g  add my Regions and Hostnames
2018-01-25 08:57 <Tampa> sed is your friend for editing files along with regex, does the same thing.
2018-01-25 08:57 <Tampa> especially if you already have bash scripts doing most of the handling.
2018-01-25 08:58 <Tampa> Really though, running on dynamic dns you could use a service like no-ip to get a fixed hostname for OpenSim to use.
2018-01-25 08:59 <opensim_Environm> e.g, OpenSim/Framework/Util.cs:             // if section does not exist then user isn't expecting them, so don't bother.             if( enVars != null )
2018-01-25 09:00 <opensim_Environm> else...  m_log.Debug.Format("[ENVIRONMENT"...
2018-01-25 09:01 <opensim_Environm> ive already got my custom scripts to get my wan-ip
2018-01-25 09:01 <opensim_Environm> put the opensim wiki says Environment vars works but seem not to
2018-01-25 09:02 <opensim_Environm> Is Environment workings on win/mac/linux?
2018-01-25 09:02 <Tampa> The wiki says a lot that may no longer even be in the code, the page in question is 3 years old itself.
2018-01-25 09:02 <opensim_Environm> i followed the mantis for that
2018-01-25 09:02 <Bill_Blight> I'm firing up a test region to look to see what it does
2018-01-25 09:03 <Tampa> Just going external hostname in a dynamic fashion will likely mean that only you will be able to connect unless the other side refreshes their dns cache on a daily basis.
2018-01-25 09:03 <opensim_Environm> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/print_bug_page.php?bug_id=7000
2018-01-25 09:03 <opensim_Environm> says resolved=>closed
2018-01-25 09:04 <opensim_Environm> my script does a curl to my home router to get the into
2018-01-25 09:04 <Tampa> That does not mean it hasn't been broken since then.
2018-01-25 09:04 <opensim_Environm> info*; so my scripts are not the probelm
2018-01-25 09:04 <opensim_Environm> opensim ini's are not recognising Environment vars
2018-01-25 09:05 <Tampa> Never said they were, just that there are plenty of ways to configure opensim and if one does not work there are other ways to do it that will work.
2018-01-25 09:05 <opensim_Environm> ideally would like Environment to cascade down all ini's into Region/Region.ini's
2018-01-25 09:05 <Bill_Blight> mine just worked fine
2018-01-25 09:05 <Bill_Blight> pulled in the environment variable just fine
2018-01-25 09:06 <opensim_Environm> ok, so i will continue to debug
2018-01-25 09:06 <Tampa> It also makes very little sense to run OpenSim on a dynamically changing IP if you plan to have anyone connect to it externally seeing as DNS is cached on most system, hence why services like no-ip exist in the first place.
2018-01-25 09:06 <Bill_Blight> how are you setting the variable?
2018-01-25 09:06 <opensim_Environm> by mono debug sheds no additional light on it
2018-01-25 09:06 <opensim_Environm> via shell and that wiki howto
2018-01-25 09:06 <opensim_Environm> in opensim/bin/opensim.sh
2018-01-25 09:06 <Bill_Blight> I mean what command to actually set them, you have to set them as global system variables using export
2018-01-25 09:07 <Bill_Blight> not set
2018-01-25 09:07 <Bill_Blight> they will not work with set
2018-01-25 09:07 <opensim_Environm> i do an export in that script
2018-01-25 09:07 <opensim_Environm> export HOSTNAME=${HOSTNAME}
2018-01-25 09:08 <opensim_Environm> and then set a [Environment] section in OpenSim.ini
2018-01-25 09:08 <opensim_Environm> BaseURL=${HOSTNAME}
2018-01-25 09:08 <Bill_Blight> [Environment]
2018-01-25 09:08 <Bill_Blight>   instance = sanctum
2018-01-25 09:08 <Bill_Blight>  export instance="sanctum"
2018-01-25 09:08 <Bill_Blight>         [Startup]
2018-01-25 09:08 <Bill_Blight> ConsolePrompt = "Region ${Environment|instance}:(\R) "
2018-01-25 09:08 <Bill_Blight> Region sanctum:(root) #
2018-01-25 09:09 <opensim_Environm> export instance works in opensim.ini?
2018-01-25 09:09 <Bill_Blight> that is kind of out of order but it worked first two are the environment section, second is how I exported it, then the startup section then what my console prompt looks like
2018-01-25 09:09 <opensim_Environm> i did the export in my shell script
2018-01-25 09:09 <Bill_Blight> read what I just type
2018-01-25 09:10 <Bill_Blight> pasted it out of order on accident
2018-01-25 09:10 <opensim_Environm> ok, ty
2018-01-25 09:11 <Bill_Blight> now I am using .9x but see no reason why it does not work in .8x
2018-01-25 09:11 <Bill_Blight> If you are setting it in the same shell script you are running it from that is why it is not reading it
2018-01-25 09:12 <Bill_Blight> the shell script gets the env variables at startup, if you add a new one after the fact it does not see the new exported env variables, 
2018-01-25 09:12 <Bill_Blight> in some instances
2018-01-25 09:13 <opensim_Environm> im off to bed, will try in the morning; ty
2018-01-25 09:48 <BOAN[N]> oke bill, thnx for he information 
2018-01-25 13:57 <NickyP> -*+96
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2018-01-25 23:57 <smxy_> The proper way to use [Environment] is to export it in the calling shell, as you mention above. Then you specify the variables as empty strings, in the [Environment] section. For example, I have the following variables exported in my shell: SIM, LPORT, adb, etc, and var:
2018-01-25 23:57 <smxy_> [Environment]
2018-01-25 23:57 <smxy_>     SIM=""
2018-01-25 23:57 <smxy_>     LPORT=""
2018-01-25 23:57 <smxy_>     adb=""
2018-01-25 23:57 <smxy_>     etc=""
2018-01-25 23:57 <smxy_>     var=""
2018-01-25 23:57 <smxy_> Then, to use the values brought in from the external environment, you do something like this:
2018-01-25 23:58 <smxy_> [Startup]
2018-01-25 23:58 <smxy_>     DecodedSculptMapPath           = ${Environment|var}/j2kdecodecache/${Environment|SIM}
2018-01-25 23:58 <smxy_>     crash_dir                      = ${Environment|var}/crashes/${Environment|SIM}
2018-01-25 23:58 <smxy_>     PIDFile                        = ${Environment|var}/run/${Environment|SIM}.pid
2018-01-25 23:58 <smxy_>     ConsoleHistoryFile             = ${Environment|var}/console_histories/${Environment|SIM}.txt
2018-01-25 23:58 <smxy_>     startup_console_commands_file  = ${Environment|etc}/region_files/${Environment|SIM}/startup_commands.txt
2018-01-25 23:58 <smxy_>     shutdown_console_commands_file = ${Environment|etc}/region_files/${Environment|SIM}/shutdown_commands.txt
2018-01-25 23:58 <smxy_>     timer_Script                   = ${Environment|etc}/region_files/${Environment|SIM}/timer_script.txt
2018-01-25 23:58 <smxy_>     regionload_regionsdir          = ${Environment|etc}/region_files/${Environment|SIM}/regions
2018-01-26 00:25 <paela> can you use pastbin is more proper of 50 lines lol
2018-01-26 00:34 <Bill_Blight> Thanks smxy  but he is not even here , you just explained it more clearly than I did, as I pasted crap out of order .. 
2018-01-26 00:50 <Bill_Blight> smxy the reason my environment varialbe looks wrong to  you is a I did it from show config, not from the file, and I did not notice it , till now .. this = facepalm
2018-01-26 01:15 <smxy_> :)
2018-01-26 09:59 <osmantis> Bug #7941:04 llCollisionFilter not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7941 ): Le bogue 0008284 a été défini comme DOUBLON du bogue suivant.
2018-01-26 09:59 <osmantis> Bug #8284:04 issue http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4475#bugnotes .... now closed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8284 ): Le bogue suivant a été défini comme DOUBLON du bogue 0007941.
2018-01-26 10:00 <osmantis> Bug #7941:04 llCollisionFilter not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7941 ): Le bogue suivant a été LIÉ au bogue 0004475.
2018-01-26 10:00 <osmantis> Bug #4475:04 Adds llCollisionFilter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4475 ): Le bogue suivant a été LIÉ au bogue 0007941.
2018-01-26 10:47 <ssm2017> hello i have just seen this : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Configuring_Simulator_Parameters#Using_shell_environment_variables_in_OpenSimulator_configuration
2018-01-26 13:03 <smxy_> ssm2017: Yes, tht's how it's done, and what I pasted matches that.
2018-01-26 13:41 <Ubit> no idea what happened to that patch.. and its obsolete now
2018-01-26 13:41 <Ubit> i mean #4475
2018-01-26 15:57 <osmantis> Bug #8284:04 issue http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4475#bugnotes .... now closed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8284 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-01-26 15:59 <osmantis> Bug #7941:04 llCollisionFilter not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7941 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-01-26 16:10 <osmantis> Bug #7941:04 llCollisionFilter not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7941 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-01-26 16:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #5856 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-01-26 16:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5856: SUCCESS in 9 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5856/
2018-01-26 16:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: try fix IAR load inventory links and objects owner
2018-01-26 16:29 <osmantis> Bug #8285:04 getting loads of errors Help 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8285 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-01-26 16:38 <osmantis> Bug #8285:04 getting loads of errors Help 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8285 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2018-01-27 04:39 <osmantis> Bug #8286:04 [PATCH] Adds osGetAgentUserLevel() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8286 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
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2018-01-27 22:57 <Snakedance> Greetings, whom of you here is an opensim dev at the moment? :) 
2018-01-27 22:58 <paela_> hi snake
2018-01-27 22:58 <Snakedance> hello
2018-01-27 22:59 <Ubit> what would you want from a dev, if one was here ?
2018-01-27 22:59 <Snakedance> to request bring back multipel log ins for the same account :) 
2018-01-27 23:00 <Ubit> denied.. not suported
2018-01-27 23:01 <Snakedance> i used it for 7 years, what change was made to disable it can be changedback to enable it once more :) 
2018-01-27 23:01 <Ubit> it was a mistake, all code assumes there is only one avatar from same account on a grid
2018-01-27 23:02 <Ubit> same reasons as SL actually
2018-01-27 23:02 <Ubit> or identical
2018-01-27 23:02 <Snakedance> because something is a mistake dosnt make it bad 
2018-01-27 23:02 <Ubit> really?
2018-01-27 23:02 <Ubit> whatever
2018-01-27 23:02 <Snakedance> penicillin
2018-01-27 23:02 <Snakedance> :)
2018-01-27 23:03 <Snakedance> the multiple logins were the best feature
2018-01-27 23:03 <Snakedance> very handy
2018-01-27 23:03 <Ubit> ok, already answer that
2018-01-27 23:04 <Snakedance> i see
2018-01-27 23:05 <Ubit> and we already have enough trouble debug things we do not know without odd side effects of things we do know are bad
2018-01-27 23:05 <Snakedance> seemed to work fine the last 7 years though :)
2018-01-27 23:07 <Ubit> and you are talking in the context of a large public grid like osgrid
2018-01-27 23:07 <Ubit> really ?
2018-01-27 23:07 <Snakedance> yes
2018-01-27 23:07 <paela_> after have speak with dan, we have update robust services in the lasted rev, think ubit have fixe the bug in the last year -)
2018-01-27 23:07 <Snakedance> i been using it for my 7 years on osgrid :)
2018-01-27 23:08 <Snakedance> not jyst me, but many others have as well :)
2018-01-27 23:08 <Snakedance> just*
2018-01-27 23:09 <Snakedance> we would like you all to reconsider bring it back :) 
2018-01-27 23:09 <Ubit> we lived with tons of bugs.. that does not mean we should not try to fix them and move on
2018-01-27 23:10 <Ubit> you can have multi logins on yr standalone... they are there..
2018-01-27 23:10 <Ubit> not on grid 
2018-01-27 23:10 <Ubit> specially as osg
2018-01-27 23:11 <Snakedance> i see
2018-01-27 23:13 <Ubit> understand again.. all code assumes there is only one login per account...
2018-01-27 23:16 <Snakedance> and can this code be changed to assume there are more then one login per account? :) 
2018-01-27 23:17 <Ubit> i said "all".. that means a lot..
2018-01-27 23:17 <Snakedance> i see
2018-01-27 23:18 <Snakedance> and this "bug" can not be restored? :) 
2018-01-27 23:19 <Plugh> What bug?
2018-01-27 23:19 <Snakedance> the beautiful and wonderful bug which allows you log in multiple times fromt he same account 
2018-01-27 23:19 <Snakedance> from the*
2018-01-27 23:19 <Snakedance> :)
2018-01-27 23:20 <Plugh> Was there ever such a bug? If so, must have been one from long ago. 
2018-01-27 23:20 <Snakedance> apperently its being clasified as a bug
2018-01-27 23:20 <Snakedance> and yes its be around as long as i have, 7 years or longer :)
2018-01-27 23:20 <Plugh> If you try to login a second time with the same avatar the first login gets booted.
2018-01-27 23:21 <Snakedance> now it does
2018-01-27 23:21 <Snakedance> correct 
2018-01-27 23:21 <Plugh> Its done that for years.
2018-01-27 23:21 <Snakedance> um no
2018-01-27 23:21 <Snakedance> its only been doign in osgrid since the changes last week :) 
2018-01-27 23:21 <Snakedance> henche why ive never been in here before
2018-01-27 23:22 <Snakedance> and am now
2018-01-27 23:22 <Snakedance> :)
2018-01-27 23:22 <Plugh> I've only been around OS since 0.6.9 and I don't recall it ever allowing more than one login of an avatar at the same time unless a region is in a confused state and a ghost of an avatar gets left behind.
2018-01-27 23:23 <Ubit> only regions did check on themselfs
2018-01-27 23:23 <paela_> right plugh
2018-01-27 23:23 <paela_> osgrid use for robust the lasted rev now
2018-01-27 23:23 <Snakedance> i can assure it has a been a handy feature in osgrid for as long as i can remeber up until last week :) 
2018-01-27 23:23 <paela_> for me is not a problem if a user cant log two time the same account :)
2018-01-27 23:24 <Snakedance> and yet for others it is :)
2018-01-27 23:24 <Ubit> possible was a bug added at somepoint.. noe fixed
2018-01-27 23:24 <Ubit> now
2018-01-27 23:24 <Plugh> The only way I can think of to have the same av logged in more than once is if one is logged in directly and the other arrives via HG TP.
2018-01-27 23:33 <Snakedance> perhaps another developer here would be interested then in restoring the bug? :) 
2018-01-27 23:34 <Snakedance> it really is a very good convenience to be able to multiple log :)
2018-01-27 23:35 <Plugh> Why would you want to be in two places at once other than to confuse people? :)
2018-01-27 23:35 <paela_> why not use your alts ?
2018-01-27 23:36 <Snakedance> to answer the first question, it is very godo to be able to be dancing at event plaza and socializing
2018-01-27 23:36 <Snakedance> while being at my region building
2018-01-27 23:36 <Snakedance> at the same time
2018-01-27 23:36 <Snakedance> as well as sitting in lbsa greeting and helping people
2018-01-27 23:36 <Snakedance> it is not to confuse people
2018-01-27 23:36 <Plugh> Dinner time. bbl.
2018-01-27 23:36 <Snakedance> it is an advantage
2018-01-27 23:36 <paela_> again why not use your other accounts :)
2018-01-27 23:37 <Snakedance> to answer that question, it makes things more difficult in reguards tot he invnetory
2018-01-27 23:37 <Snakedance> for example 
2018-01-27 23:37 <Snakedance> if you gave me a gift
2018-01-27 23:38 <Snakedance> and say it was not trasnfurable
2018-01-27 23:38 <Snakedance> you give it to snakedance number 2 or 3
2018-01-27 23:38 <Snakedance> iw ill not be able to transfur it to my main snakedance
2018-01-27 23:39 <Snakedance> it makes things more colpicated
2018-01-27 23:39 <Snakedance> complicated
2018-01-27 23:39 <Snakedance> i prefure using my main snakedance accunt, the other 2 are for testing
2018-01-27 23:39 <Snakedance> account*
2018-01-27 23:40 <Snakedance> anything anyone gives me, when i am my other 2 snakedances may not be able to be used for my main snakedance :)
2018-01-27 23:40 <Snakedance> see paela? :)
2018-01-27 23:40 <Snakedance> unless of course everythign is full perm then theres no issue
2018-01-27 23:41 <paela_> using the same account xxx same time have all time break the good job of presence in the end after you have logout your all same account presence not clear your avi 
2018-01-27 23:41 <paela_> and never showed offline for other user 
2018-01-27 23:41 <danbanner> correct
2018-01-27 23:42 <danbanner> multiple logins do break presence
2018-01-27 23:43 <Snakedance> thats why i relog :) 
2018-01-27 23:43 <Ubit> break several things.. forget it :(
2018-01-27 23:43 <Snakedance> i see
2018-01-27 23:45 <Snakedance> and there is no solution that can be coem up with to allow a multiple log in? :)
2018-01-27 23:51 <Ubit> 
ACTION tries to remember the name of animals that eat snakes to bring one to channel

2018-01-27 23:51 <Ubit> :p
2018-01-27 23:52 <paela_> animals ubitos ?
2018-01-27 23:52 <paela_> lol
2018-01-27 23:53 <danbanner> pigs eat snakes
2018-01-27 23:54 <Snakedance> i could always log out i suppose 
2018-01-27 23:54 <Snakedance> :)
2018-01-27 23:54 <Ubit> just use a alt
2018-01-27 23:54 <danbanner> add message to profile "if you want to shower me with gifts please send them to my main account"
2018-01-27 23:54 <Snakedance> sighs
2018-01-27 23:55 <Ubit> why did u need 2 logins ?
2018-01-27 23:55 <danbanner> she neeeds 3
2018-01-27 23:55 <danbanner> dance, build, greet
2018-01-27 23:55 <Ubit> call that multitasking :)
2018-01-27 23:55 <danbanner> yup ;)
2018-01-27 23:56 <Snakedance> sometimes it's adance, dance and dacne depending on how many tp's i get sent for parties lol 
2018-01-27 23:57 <Snakedance> dance, dance and dance*
2018-01-27 23:57 <Snakedance> chuckles 
2018-01-27 23:57 <Ubit> see reason for some osgrid lag dan? :p
2018-01-27 23:58 <danbanner> haha
2018-01-27 23:58 <Ubit> well and with this i broke mysql code lol
2018-01-27 23:58 <Plugh> Ubit, mongoose
2018-01-28 00:01 <Snakedance> sighs
2018-01-28 00:01 <paela_> osgrid work well now :)
2018-01-28 00:02 <Snakedance> i wouldn;t call the best feature being removed as working well, but what do i know :) 
2018-01-28 00:02 <danbanner> sorry snake, newer code, new changes, we're not going to revert just to maintain bugs
2018-01-28 00:02 <Plugh> If you buy something off Kitely Marketplace and have it delivered to some grid other than Kitely what will the item show for item creator?
2018-01-28 00:03 <danbanner> user.name @kitely.grid.whatever i assume
2018-01-28 00:03 <paela_> never tried market kitely
2018-01-28 00:03 <Snakedance> wanna buy two agressively used 24 inch led monitors Dan? :D 
2018-01-28 00:03 <Plugh> I've been told it was showing up as Unknown in a given grid but other grids do show something meaningful. 
2018-01-28 00:04 <Plugh> I wonder if that is because the UUID and name was in the viewer cache.
2018-01-28 00:04 <Ubit> also HG weather
2018-01-28 00:04 <danbanner> probably a viewer cache issue
2018-01-28 00:04 <Plugh> I'll tell the person reporting the issue to clear viewer cache and try again.
2018-01-28 00:04 <paela_> is a issue like firestorm unknow
2018-01-28 00:05 <Plugh> I don't know if the creator information being passed to grid for an item is only a UUID or if it is a string. If only a UUID then creator can only be "unknown" as the UUID wouldn't be known to the non-Kitely grid.
2018-01-28 00:06 <danbanner> creator data for objects is based on uuid and hostname isnt it?
2018-01-28 00:07 <paela_> like uuid@blabla.blab:port
2018-01-28 00:07 <Plugh> Don't know. I haven't looked in to a lot of the HG related stuff.
2018-01-28 00:09 <danbanner> i guess if its not a uuid of an unknown hg account it could show as unknown user
2018-01-28 00:10 <danbanner> i guess if its a uuid of an unknown hg account it could show as unknown user
2018-01-28 00:11 <Plugh> I'm heading back to my workbench for a while. Four more wires to put back on a circuit board before I can find out if it will still work after 37 years.
2018-01-28 00:19 <smxy_> plugh: one can easily have an avatar logged in more than once. Two viewers. All you have to do is make sure both avatars are not in the same region, and aren't close enough for chald agents to collide, either. And it's not a bug, it's a feature.
2018-01-28 00:19 <smxy_> child* agents
2018-01-28 00:19 <Snakedance> doesn;t work 
2018-01-28 00:19 <Snakedance> tried with singualrity and firestorm 
2018-01-28 00:20 <Snakedance> i agree though, it was a feature
2018-01-28 00:20 <smxy_> Then it's broken. It used to work and I've done it many times. Melanie_T will tell anyone that it's by design, too. It should be fixed.
2018-01-28 00:21 <smxy_> I found it handy for working on things elsewhere in my grid, but still being able to have a presence in my welcome region, to greet people.
2018-01-28 00:22 <Bill_Blight> Ok if you can have two of the same avatar in just for instance one feature, if it is "by design"  , what happens when I map you?
2018-01-28 00:22 <Bill_Blight> which avatar does it show?
2018-01-28 00:22 <smxy_> No idea. :)
2018-01-28 00:22 <Bill_Blight> Exactly, it was a bug , not a feature
2018-01-28 00:22 <smxy_> But it *was* by design.
2018-01-28 00:23 <smxy_> You declaring it a bug doesn't negate the fact that someone deliberately added the ability.
2018-01-28 00:24 <Bill_Blight> I could add somethign that crashes you or turns your avatar inside out, that does not make it a good feature
2018-01-28 00:24 <smxy_> It was always understoof that the root and child agents of the two avatars could not overlap.
2018-01-28 00:25 <Bill_Blight> just from a networking standpoint, multiple logins are a nightmare, logic shows that
2018-01-28 00:25 <smxy_> Only overlapping them ever made me crash.
2018-01-28 00:25 <paela_> IN all case that break the good job of presence !!!!
2018-01-28 00:25 <Bill_Blight> Yep, presence is useless at that point
2018-01-28 00:26 <Bill_Blight> I mean what happens if you put two pc's on your network with the same name or same IP?  do they work right?
2018-01-28 00:27 <paela_> this option are not needed -)
2018-01-28 00:27 <Snakedance> osgrid is not a pc :) 
2018-01-28 00:27 <paela_> the time you tried move one avi in the grid the second avi or the first are crashed
2018-01-28 00:27 <paela_> and you are showed offline for all
2018-01-28 00:28 <Bill_Blight> they you obiously don't know how avatar tracking actually works
2018-01-28 00:28 <Bill_Blight> same as an IP on a network, you have ONE unique identifier
2018-01-28 00:28 <Bill_Blight> if that identifier is in two places , things get confused
2018-01-28 00:28 <paela_> right
2018-01-28 00:28 <Snakedance> appearing on or offline on a list has no bearings on who sees you in a region when you are there :)
2018-01-28 00:29 <Bill_Blight> so you are ok with breaking things for other people just so you can have it your way?
2018-01-28 00:29 <Snakedance> did i say that?
2018-01-28 00:29 <smxy_> Plugh: When you buy something from Kitely and have it delivered to another grid, it shows th actual creator. I've bought tons of mesh there from Ozwell Wayfarer, and I just looked at a piece. The owner is shown as: Ozwell.Wayfarer @grid.kitely.com:8002
2018-01-28 00:30 <smxy_> er, creator, sorry :)
2018-01-28 00:30 <Bill_Blight> Plugh , Smxy, I have seen kitely deliver initially as unknown creator, due to a network/cache hiccup, but it usually clears up
2018-01-28 00:30 <smxy_> I never have, but I absolutely don't doubt it.
2018-01-28 00:30 <paela_> i do not agree snap, corrupt the proper functioning of presence, is a real problem.
2018-01-28 00:30 <Snakedance> perhaps look at the situation as a possable feature instead of a bug, work towards an amicable solution yes? :) 
2018-01-28 00:31 <paela_> allow using same time the same account in two viewer need rewrite 95 % of opensim
2018-01-28 00:32 <Bill_Blight> If it ever gets put back it better be something that can be disabled, I'm not willing to break my presence server for something like that
2018-01-28 00:32 <smxy_> You'll note I haven't said I think the multiple logins is a good or bad thing. I'm just saying it was by design, not a bug, and worked reasonably well. Could it have worked better? Maybe. Should it exist? I don't know.  But it was useful. *shrug*
2018-01-28 00:33 <Bill_Blight> You know this is one of those things, "BE MORE LIKE SL!!"  , "Oh SHIT can't have multiple logins!!  BE LESS LIKE SL!!"
2018-01-28 00:33 <smxy_> :)
2018-01-28 00:34 <Snakedance> it was very useful 
2018-01-28 00:34 <Snakedance> perhaps not everyone sued it, but many did
2018-01-28 00:34 <Snakedance> used*
2018-01-28 00:34 <smxy_> My take on that is that, as a starting point, OpenSim should be 100% compatible with SL, fature by feature and bug for bug, then diverge as THIS community feels is appropriate.
2018-01-28 00:35 <Bill_Blight> maybe to you but to the people managing the grid, having to clean up the prescence, and maintain the networking, not so much
2018-01-28 00:35 <Snakedance> not justo me
2018-01-28 00:35 <Snakedance> others as well :)
2018-01-28 00:35 <Bill_Blight> Others that run grids and have to maintain the garbage?
2018-01-28 00:35 <paela_> snack, this function is no longer supported by os grid, and will no longer be as dan says.
2018-01-28 00:35 <paela_> We evolve advanced things, others disappear.
2018-01-28 00:36 <smxy_> It was convenient, but I'm not sure why it's *needed*.
2018-01-28 00:36 <Snakedance> i am not the only one who got great use out the flexability of the feature
2018-01-28 00:42 <Snakedance> well
2018-01-28 00:42 <Snakedance> i supose ive said all i can
2018-01-28 00:45 <Snakedance> have a good night 
2018-01-28 00:51 <danbanner> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3QYDtSbhrA
2018-01-28 00:51 <paela_> shhh
2018-01-28 00:51 <paela_> lol
2018-01-28 00:55 <Bill_Blight> 
ACTION considers adding code to his personal bulid, that if you try and login twice it bans you for 30 minutes ..... LOL

2018-01-28 00:57 <paela_> hehe
2018-01-28 01:05 -!- IgorVorotiloff(~GuyCharle@unaffiliated/igorvorotiloff) has left #opensim-dev
2018-01-28 01:09 <Ubit> i did watch that without yawning
2018-01-28 11:13 <Melanie_T> Bill_Blight: FYI: allowing multiple logins IS indeed by design, it's been done because sim sizes are such that you can't realistically have more than 15 or so avatars in a sim
2018-01-28 11:14 <Melanie_T> Bill_Blight: However, in remote learning, you need more than that to make the teacher worth his money. So you replicate the teacher in each sim :)
2018-01-28 11:14 <Melanie_T> Bill_Blight: Since only one avatar does it and they are "staff" and aware of the caveats, it service the purpose and should still do so
2018-01-28 11:15 <Melanie_T> Bill_Blight: It IS an optional feature, you have to enable it explicitly. The user service will not allow it in the default configuration. The feature switch is also not
2018-01-28 11:16 <Melanie_T> Bill_Blight: documented in OpenSim.ini because it really is a special use case and not for general use in social grids
2018-01-28 11:17 <Melanie_T> Bill_Blight: If you do manage to make it happen on a normal grid, then there is a bug, likely a race conditions where the two logins are so close to each other, time-wise, while too far apart space wise, that presence hasn't been established grid-wide and local kick-out doesn't handle it
2018-01-28 11:18 <Melanie_T> Bill_Blight: If it ever becomes a problem, there is an easy fix that can be done in code now, but could not be done back then because important supporting code for remote kick-out wasn't written then
2018-01-28 12:40 <MrNapz> hey ya
2018-01-28 18:49 <Marco_D> have anyone have problems with invisible mesh objects in opensin and the current firestorm version too? 
2018-01-28 18:51 <Ubit_> some ppl say fs hides some meshs...  but have not seen it 
2018-01-28 18:51 <Ubit_> its at osgrid?
2018-01-28 18:51 <Marco_D> nop not int he osgrid
2018-01-28 18:52 <Ubit> well never mind, my test region is not there now either :)
2018-01-28 18:52 <Marco_D> "[18:30] Fr0zenHawk Chillsmoke: @everyone in the new FS v5.0.11 this seems to be the cause of some meshes not showing up on opensim: 
2018-01-28 18:52 <Marco_D> Mesh Rendering – FSEnforceStrictObjectCheck:As a rule of thumb, mesh objects should never be uploaded to OpenSim using “Analyse”. With Firestorm 5.0.11, any mesh objects which are uploaded with Analyse will likely render as invisible if the Debug FSEnforceStrictObjectCheck"
2018-01-28 18:53 <Marco_D> somepne have found this as as workaround
2018-01-28 18:53 <Ubit> what a BS
2018-01-28 18:53 <Marco_D> on windows
2018-01-28 18:53 <Ubit> analyse is not recomended for now, but its agood option
2018-01-28 18:54 <Ubit> in long term
2018-01-28 18:54 <Ubit> where had you seen that ?
2018-01-28 18:55 <Marco_D> we are standing with firestorm 5.0.7.52912 and the current version on the sam region and the current firestorm version dont see some meshes
2018-01-28 18:55 <Marco_D> at multiple people
2018-01-28 18:55 <Ubit> well possible since opensim version does not use HAVOC mesh tools, p do not know how to process those meshsossible they
2018-01-28 18:55 <Ubit> since ll did not done it for them :P
2018-01-28 18:56 <Ubit> yes but that option makes it work?
2018-01-28 18:56 <Marco_D> the peoble saying the is now visible with this debug setting
2018-01-28 18:57 <Ubit> ok
2018-01-28 18:57 <Ubit> ill try to look
2018-01-28 18:57 <Marco_D> I had hoped someone knows this problem and has a solution for it to make makes visible for all without debug settings
2018-01-28 18:58 <Ubit> well it not analize per si
2018-01-28 18:58 <Ubit> i just rezzed a object uploaded with it and i do see it on ...11
2018-01-28 18:59 <Marco_D> jup its not all objects. only some random objects.I don't know what the differences is
2018-01-28 19:02 <Ubit> ok founded that articly on g++ from what i see it is not analyse
2018-01-28 19:04 <Marco_D> jup but it is bad for allready exisiting meshes. and its only in firestorm so i cant never sure that everybody see all objects.
2018-01-28 19:05 <Ubit> well some of those meshs are just bad
2018-01-28 19:05 <Ubit> loosingf them and making creator or other do a better one is not that bad :p
2018-01-28 19:06 <Ubit> ther is also the case of ubOde physcis, also due to bad upload options
2018-01-28 19:06 <Tampa> Again, this is most of what you need to upload mesh to opensim properly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_V0UlkmkFA
2018-01-28 19:09 <Bill_Blight> For over a year now a major topic of discussion has been "bad mesh" and people still don't get it ..
2018-01-28 19:10 <Marco_D> I know how to upload mesh. The problem is the existing mesh object. It's annoying enough with the physics of the ubode. But along with this problem, I can throw away all old mesh objects.
2018-01-28 19:10 <Tampa> This isn't a problem, it's actually a fix, what was before was problematic, just in another form.
2018-01-28 19:11 <Bill_Blight> This just re-enforces the fact that over the past year, it was KNOWN that these mesh objects were bad or done incorrectly, but instread of spending the year trying to correct them, it was spent conplaining.
2018-01-28 19:14 <Ubit> ohh the new tools to display mesh lods is nice
2018-01-28 19:14 <Ubit> no need to fly all over to check them :)
2018-01-28 19:14 <Bill_Blight> yes
2018-01-28 19:14 <Bill_Blight> that is very nice
2018-01-28 19:15 <Ubit> see more "Mesh Rendering – FSEnforceStrictObjectCheck:As a rule of thumb, mesh objects should never be uploaded to OpenSim using “Analyse”. With Firestorm 5.0.11, any mesh objects which are uploaded with Analyse will likely render as invisible"
2018-01-28 19:15 <Ubit> that is a non-sense per si
2018-01-28 19:16 <Marco_D> if that's the case, there should be a way to tag these objects. So that the people know that there can be problems with them. And the upload of new objects should also be stopped.
2018-01-28 19:16 <Ubit> we do not recomend it just bc some viewers or options do it badly
2018-01-28 19:16 <Tampa> You may be able to download the broken meshes using an older viewer, you can then re-upload them with proper options and physics.
2018-01-28 19:17 <Bill_Blight> almost all the mesh on several of my sims was uploaded with the analyze option, but correct LOD and Physics, and they display fine in the new FS ..  
2018-01-28 19:17 <Ubit> also some physic engines endup having more work with those :)
2018-01-28 19:17 <Ubit> yeap i do see one of my test ones
2018-01-28 19:17 <Ubit> so that comment is not correct
2018-01-28 19:18 <Tampa> viewer devs being almost as incorrect as the wiki ;P
2018-01-28 19:19 <Ubit> or someone told them the wrong thing about opensim
2018-01-28 19:19 <Bill_Blight> That comment is very incorrect, it is possible the analyze is inconsistent, but to say that it causes this issue is not right
2018-01-28 19:19 <Bill_Blight> I'm sure it was a opensim mesh expert that gave them that info
2018-01-28 19:20 <Ubit> also possible if they any testing is on 0.8
2018-01-28 19:20 <Tampa> Given the fact that I uploaded 30 meshes without issue, but the very last one just would not upload no matter what, sometimes mesh just does what it wants
2018-01-28 19:20 <Bill_Blight> well their favorite grid to test on is all .8x
2018-01-28 19:23 <Bill_Blight> I'd be interested to see , but from what I have seen on many G+ posts the majority of this "invisible FS Mesh" issue is on .8x grids
2018-01-28 19:23 <Bill_Blight> Not saying that is actual data, just the people I have seen in my feed
2018-01-28 19:24 <Tampa> Also mostly people who have never uploaded a mesh before so its mostly fingerpointing
2018-01-28 19:24 <Bill_Blight> That too
2018-01-28 19:26 <Bill_Blight> but Mesh issues  have been a hot topic really for over the last  year, but nobody wanted to do anything , they just wanted to point fingers at Opensimulator and say, "FIX IT" well now they are getting hit from the Viewerside too, and they are still saying "FIX IT".  The problem is on the user side, having done things not quite right, not on the server side.   And the "crappy" stuff working 
2018-01-28 19:26 <Bill_Blight> till now, has just been a "gift".
2018-01-28 19:26 <Ubit> well that opting per si was just a fix to not really rez objects that did fail to create on viewer
2018-01-28 19:26 <DragonHeart> hello anyone around, got a issue id like some help with plze, my users are dropping Presence and getting unable to verify user presence when the try to tp et are still on the grid
2018-01-28 19:26 <Ubit> i mean unpack
2018-01-28 19:27 <Marco_D> ok perhaps it is a user bug but the software shold stop the upload then the settings are not correct
2018-01-28 19:27 <Ubit> not a bad option per si
2018-01-28 19:27 <Tampa> someone should "accidentally break" prims, imagine that
2018-01-28 19:27 <Ubit> and does tell when it kicks on fs log file
2018-01-28 19:28 <Ubit> LL_WARNS() << "An invalid object (" << getID() << ") has been removed (FSEnforceStrictObjectCheck)" << LL_ENDL;
2018-01-28 19:28 <Ubit> :p
2018-01-28 19:28 <Bill_Blight> Almost every "Game engine" out there will let you upload crap, they count on the users actually knowing what they are doing .. 
2018-01-28 19:29 <Tampa> unity famously really does not care what you upload it just displays whatever you throw at it
2018-01-28 19:29 <Bill_Blight> yeah it may look like crap but it shows it
2018-01-28 19:29 <Ubit> so it is  good option
2018-01-28 19:30 <Ubit> guess is that hacd and havok etc  do not detect mesh creation errors
2018-01-28 19:30 <Bill_Blight> DragonHeart, you on your own grid?  That error can be caused by a few things, most commonly netowrk issues, such as bad rDNS lookups, but also dropped packets can cause it to happen.
2018-01-28 19:30 <Ubit> and do upload them..   only a few trivial ones are detected by code i added
2018-01-28 19:30 <DragonHeart> <sighs> no wonder so many dont bother with opensim anymore
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2018-01-28 19:30 <Ubit> like missing convex hull 
2018-01-28 19:30 <Bill_Blight> I guess he did not get "serviced" fast enough
2018-01-28 19:31 <Ubit> ( and still get kicked by adding that.. )
2018-01-28 19:31 <Tampa> lol
2018-01-28 19:31 <Ubit> so guess this are just those kinda meshes
2018-01-28 19:31 <Ubit> did seem to upload, but where broken
2018-01-28 19:32 <Ubit> no direct relation to analyze.. just that option makes those issues more likely
2018-01-28 19:33 <Ubit> and it is not only opensim, its sl also.. havok tools also do upload broken meshs
2018-01-28 19:33 <Tampa> I always found that analyze broke physics meshes even if I supplied one, just messed with it too much, I like to retain the control and not gamble on an algorithm to figure out tris
2018-01-28 19:33 <Marco_D> ah okey
2018-01-28 19:33 <Tampa> If you follow the video it should work fine, at least everything I ever uploaded still works in the latest version :)
2018-01-28 19:34 <Ubit> yes that is why it is not recomended...
2018-01-28 19:34 <Ubit> but it is a normal physics optimization for some engines
2018-01-28 19:35 <Ubit> ( at least they think so :p )
2018-01-28 19:35 <Ubit> well without it some will totally refuse to move a object
2018-01-28 19:36 <Ubit> but that is also odd...  analyse is PHYSICS..  odd viewer cares
2018-01-28 19:36 <Tampa> In all that negativity at least all the bronies now got their own font in FS...
2018-01-28 19:37 <Ubit> possible its just the missing convex hull that i now check
2018-01-28 19:37 <Ubit> there where tons of meshs like that
2018-01-28 19:37 <Tampa> I wonder
2018-01-28 19:37 <Tampa> The ones with missing physics
2018-01-28 19:37 <Tampa> could they be made to default physics to one of the LOD?
2018-01-28 19:37 <Ubit> even articles telling how broken 0.9 code is and telling how to remove that check
2018-01-28 19:37 <Ubit> :p
2018-01-28 19:37 <Tampa> like a switch in the config
2018-01-28 19:37 <Tampa> missing physics default to = HIGH
2018-01-28 19:38 <Ubit> i will not set default physics to HIGH ever
2018-01-28 19:38 <Tampa> hihi
2018-01-28 19:38 <Ubit> do it on upload  and let ppl call you a bad mesh builder :p
2018-01-28 19:39 <Ubit> and AGAIN nothig for physics is a VALID OPTION
2018-01-28 19:39 <Tampa> from file is
2018-01-28 19:39 <Tampa> well I mean, if you are just uploading a box then maybe, but more complex stuff
2018-01-28 19:40 <Tampa> Its funny this whole conversation happens on all forums for those engines cause eventually you run out of collisions they can handle
2018-01-28 19:40 <Ubit> depends on use.. if its a mesh to always have type none, better set no physics
2018-01-28 19:41 <Ubit> or avatar meshs
2018-01-28 19:41 <MrNapz> Hello everyone
2018-01-28 19:41 <Ubit> possible
2018-01-28 19:42 <MrNapz> i have a question, using opensim is legal right? only "viewers" are from SecondLife 
2018-01-28 19:43 <Ubit> well i did not seen the unpack code, but that commit that did add that fs option, did not changed it
2018-01-28 19:43 <Bill_Blight> there are Viewers that have specific Opensim Variants so not all veiwers are "from" secondlife, just using the public libraries
2018-01-28 19:44 <Ubit> viewers used on opensim use code provided by LL under GPL opensource license
2018-01-28 19:44 <Ubit> a few do not use ll code at all
2018-01-28 19:45 <Ubit> LL viewers do not work on opensim
2018-01-28 19:46 <Ubit> opensim does not use ll code, in fact for years opensim devs where forbidden to look to ll viewers source
2018-01-28 19:47 <Bill_Blight> This is the second time in two days I have seen this type of question, makes me wonder who is saying what
2018-01-28 19:47 <Bill_Blight> I had to tell someone just yesterday that Opensimulator was NOT stolen LL code
2018-01-28 19:48 <Bill_Blight> that it was written from the ground up
2018-01-28 19:48 <Tampa> Well, I mean...
2018-01-28 19:48 <Tampa> There used to be, but that was years ago
2018-01-28 19:49 <Tampa> People forget that we used to teleport from OpenSim to secondlife back in those days
2018-01-28 19:49 <Ubit> libomv was based on a ll lib no ?
2018-01-28 19:49 <MrNapz> alright <3
2018-01-28 19:49 <MrNapz> i was afraid using viewers xD
2018-01-28 19:49 <Bill_Blight> yeah it was based on LL code, but not "stolen" LOL
2018-01-28 19:49 <MrNapz> cause of ll
2018-01-28 19:49 <MrNapz> so anyway its legal
2018-01-28 19:49 <Tampa> If it were, Intel and IBM wouldnt have been part of it at some point
2018-01-28 19:50 <Tampa> So yes fully legal
2018-01-28 19:50 <Tampa> hasnt quite turned 18 yet tho
2018-01-28 19:50 <MrNapz> great!
2018-01-28 19:50 <Ubit> look some viewers do have a specific version for opensim
2018-01-28 19:50 <Ubit> fs has a SL only version and a sl/opensim one
2018-01-28 19:53 <Tampa> only illegal part of opensim is some of the content on some grids, because some people just cant help themselves, though the same could be said about SL as well :)
2018-01-28 19:54 <Ubit> well that happens at sl also
2018-01-28 19:54 <Ubit> and with movies etc etc etc :)
2018-01-28 19:54 <Tampa> "You wouldn't download a car"
2018-01-28 19:55 <Ubit> well and with 100K electronics test equipment
2018-01-28 19:55 <Ubit> 100kusd..
2018-01-28 19:55 <Ubit> yeah but you can clone it and sell for 1/10 of price
2018-01-28 19:55 <Ubit> or half
2018-01-28 19:56 <Tampa> Chinas business model for most of the 1980s
2018-01-28 19:56 <Tampa> Its so normal these days in retail they call it shrink
2018-01-28 19:57 <Ubit> yeap
2018-01-28 19:57 <Ubit> and japan in 60's
2018-01-28 19:57 <Ubit> and for many all over :p
2018-01-28 19:57 <Tampa> In some ways it can be a positive thing even, some steal, but actually improve a design, patents and IP rights just slow innovation
2018-01-28 19:58 <Ubit> well but some did even copy typos on labels in PCBs :p
2018-01-28 19:58 <Tampa> Well thats another constant in life, laziness
2018-01-28 19:59 <Ubit> but not the quality of the FR4 used lol
2018-01-28 19:59 <Ubit> well suposelly fr4 ( or other )
2018-01-28 20:00 <Ubit> in fact ones did clone a circuit done in special pcb material for microwaves  using cheap fr4 :)
2018-01-28 20:00 <Ubit> ( a old satelite disk preamp )
2018-01-28 20:01 <Ubit> well frontend
2018-01-28 20:01 <Ubit> not good results.. but they did sell it
2018-01-28 20:01 <Tampa> Now I want to microwave a pcb
2018-01-28 20:02 <Ubit> i said a pcb for microwaves.. not to put in a microwave oven :P
2018-01-28 20:02 <Tampa> too late, already searching for one
2018-01-28 20:03 <Bill_Blight> Now we have insight into how Tampa's brain works
2018-01-28 20:03 <Bill_Blight> or doesn't
2018-01-28 20:03 <Ubit> :)
2018-01-28 20:04 <Tampa> The difference between screwing around and science is taking notes :)
2018-01-28 20:04 <Ubit> using or not using brain is another :p
2018-01-28 20:05 <Tampa> Well I am not planning to be the next top post of /r/holdmybeer, but I do have an old microwave and some broken hardware, so might as well
2018-01-28 20:06 <Ubit> forget.. see videos of that on yt
2018-01-28 20:07 <Ubit> you do not want to mess up with 600w or 1Kw of rf power near you
2018-01-28 20:07 <Tampa> I put an egg in there once
2018-01-28 20:07 <Ubit> rf will not burn yr skin.. will cook you from inside
2018-01-28 20:10 <Bill_Blight> by the time your skin starts burning notcibly you are already dead
2018-01-28 20:11 <Ubit> oops think i forgot to eat today
2018-01-28 20:12 <Ubit> brb
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2018-01-29 02:09 <DragonHeart_> anyone alive that can help with a presence issue?
2018-01-29 02:24 <DragonHeart_> anyone? before i go look to pay someone to take a look
2018-01-29 02:37 <Tampa> What exactly is wrong?
2018-01-29 02:39 <Tampa> ....
2018-01-29 03:05 <DragonHeart_> ok ill try again tomorrow 4 days now i been trying to get help in here even offering to pay if anyone reads this or can be bothered to read it and wants to earn you can email me at dragon@gevolutionworld.com
2018-01-29 03:05 <Ubit> whats the issue ?
2018-01-29 03:06 <DragonHeart_> presence dropping after a while from the sql table and getting unable to verify user presence inworld
2018-01-29 03:07 <Ubit> droping ? as in  deleted ?
2018-01-29 03:07 <DragonHeart_> its not a network issue servers are from a datacenter, the error is comming up after a user tries to teleport, i look in the presence table and they arnt there yet still connected inworld
2018-01-29 03:08 <Ubit> dunno..  possible a config issue
2018-01-29 03:09 <Ubit> or on robust and/or regions
2018-01-29 03:09 <DragonHeart_> ive followed the instructions had this issue on 0.8 and 0.9 
2018-01-29 03:09 <DragonHeart_> running a robust server and 6 region servers with over 100 regions currently, regins arnt dropping they working great
2018-01-29 03:10 <Ubit> recheck the configs...
2018-01-29 03:10 <Ubit> remember 0.9 ones are not exactly as 0.8.. you need to use 0.9 ones
2018-01-29 03:10 <DragonHeart_> have done i cant see a issue, someone was supposed to look at them but never got back to me to double chq m settings
2018-01-29 03:11 <Ubit> no error on logs of regions or robust ?
2018-01-29 03:11 <DragonHeart_> no errors at all and no info as to why they just "drop"
2018-01-29 03:12 <Ubit> what you mean drop ?
2018-01-29 03:12 <DragonHeart_> vanish out the presence table, when they logon they are there, then say after a hour ish they vanish from that table, sometimes after a few mins
2018-01-29 03:13 <Ubit> so they do get in there... just are deleted for no reason ?
2018-01-29 03:14 <DragonHeart_> yes they get in not a problem, just deleted out the table for no reason yet still in world and once they vanished out the table the get unable to verify user presence
2018-01-29 03:15 <Ubit> hmm no idea :(
2018-01-29 03:15 <DragonHeart_> kk
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2018-01-29 17:29 <Tampa> Does -inidirectory become a usable $inidirectory variable that would point back at the inidirectory? I'm trying to use it for specific overrides for ini settings loaded after OpenSim.ini
2018-01-29 17:35 <Melanie_T> no
2018-01-29 17:35 <Melanie_T> the correct way is to use an Include-xxx = directive in opensim.ini
2018-01-29 17:36 <Melanie_T> the same way that the addon ini file system does it
2018-01-29 17:36 <Melanie_T> i never looked into how to provide nini variables for expansion
2018-01-29 17:37 <Tampa> So defining this key in another ini would not work either? aka $inidirectory=""
2018-01-29 17:37 <Melanie_T> inidirectory is a command line switch
2018-01-29 17:39 <Tampa> Just wondering since I see these ${variable} things in the configs, can I not just randomly define my own then?
2018-01-29 17:39 <Melanie_T> it could also be given in the startup section of an inifile but it doesn't have an effect there
2018-01-29 17:39 <Melanie_T> you can define them, just not from the command line
2018-01-29 17:40 <Tampa> so if I set ${inidirectory}="simulator" and then later down the load order use Include=${inidirectory} it should go back to the defined simulator?
2018-01-29 17:41 <Melanie_T> don't use inidiretory as a variable name
2018-01-29 17:41 <Melanie_T> it's already registered as an option title
2018-01-29 17:42 <Melanie_T> that is likely to clash
2018-01-29 17:42 <Melanie_T> but in principle, a variable set in a higher-up ini is available in lower ones
2018-01-29 17:42 <Melanie_T> that is because the files are merged as-is
2018-01-29 17:42 <Tampa> I have this in the Startup section now: overrides="/home/simulators/zw_node04/" and this in osslEnable.ini, which is loaded last: Include-Architecture = "/${Startup|overrides}/OpenSim.ini"
2018-01-29 17:42 <Melanie_T> and then the macro expansion is done over the whole ting
2018-01-29 17:43 <Tampa> Is that correct syntax?
2018-01-29 17:44 <Melanie_T> you should not place it in startup because it may clash with values added in the future
2018-01-29 17:44 <Melanie_T> that said, the syntax seems correct
2018-01-29 17:45 <Melanie_T> the [Const] section is where we put all the variables because that makes sure there are no clashes
2018-01-29 17:45 <Melanie_T> the const section is only variables, it's never accessed from code
2018-01-29 17:45 <Tampa> Okay I'll add that secton to the OpenSim.ini then, thank you for your help :)
2018-01-29 17:45 <Melanie_T> you're welcome
2018-01-29 17:49 <Tampa> [CONFIG]: Could not find include file /${Const|overrides}/OpenSim.ini
2018-01-29 17:53 <Melanie_T> it's not impossible that the / messes it up
2018-01-29 17:54 <Melanie_T> other variables used in standard opensim.ini.example do the same thing and work
2018-01-29 17:54 <Melanie_T> oh!
2018-01-29 17:54 <Melanie_T> wait
2018-01-29 17:54 <Melanie_T> reading the code
2018-01-29 17:54 <Melanie_T> Include-* is collected before the expansion pass
2018-01-29 17:54 <Melanie_T> it has to be, so it can only ever be a literal, never an expansion
2018-01-29 17:54 <Melanie_T> sorry :/
2018-01-29 17:55 <Tampa> Could I reuse the inidirectory variable defined as command line parameter in any way then?
2018-01-29 17:59 <smxy> Bluewall and I talked about re-ordering things so that that would work for includes, but never got around to it.
2018-01-29 17:59 <Melanie_T> Tampa: the command line parameter is not a variable
2018-01-29 17:59 <Melanie_T> it's used in code
2018-01-29 18:00 <paela> i use this for example my all simulator can listen the same config opensim.ini and a proper port Include-Network = "network.ini"
2018-01-29 18:00 <Melanie_T> The issue is that later-defined variables can't be used in higher-up files if premature expansion is done
2018-01-29 18:00 <BillBlight> I do that exact same thing paela
2018-01-29 18:01 <Melanie_T> so we can't expand before collection the Inclode without losing the ability to beckreference vars
2018-01-29 18:01 <Melanie_T> BillBlight, paela: the system environment is merged into the mix
2018-01-29 18:02 <Melanie_T> so you can define an env var and use it as ${Environment|variable}
2018-01-29 18:02 <smxy> Yes, we covered that a few days ago. :)
2018-01-29 18:02 <Melanie_T> that can be used to set a per-instance port quite elegamntly
2018-01-29 18:03 <smxy> I use it for that and other things.
2018-01-29 18:03 <smxy> But it would be nice if it could be used in Includes - the one place it can't.
2018-01-29 18:04 <Melanie_T> usually you'd only want to change small things between instances
2018-01-29 18:04 <Melanie_T> a few values, not enough to warrant a file
2018-01-29 18:04 <Melanie_T> of course other use cases exist
2018-01-29 18:04 <Melanie_T> and may make it interesting
2018-01-29 18:04 <paela> i have never understand why a gridcommon and why a opensim.ini because all stuff of opensim.ini can run in gridcommon or reverse 
2018-01-29 18:04 <Melanie_T> it allows us to present mostly unchanging things in separate files
2018-01-29 18:05 <Melanie_T> 99% of users don't need to change 99% of options
2018-01-29 18:05 <paela> oki
2018-01-29 18:07 <paela> it would be interesting to add an option that allows you to automatically refresh the ip of a simulator -)
2018-01-29 18:07 <smxy> I don't use the OpenSim.ini file. I just use a tiny file that only has whatever I want to override from defaults, in it.
2018-01-29 18:08 <smxy> That's for grid-wide stuff. I also have the ability to have a smaller file picked up with simulater-specific changes.
2018-01-29 18:08 <Melanie_T> refresh?
2018-01-29 18:08 <smxy> servers should have a static IP.
2018-01-29 18:08 <smxy> no need to refresh. :)
2018-01-29 18:09 <paela> yes but 80 % of user doesnt use server smxy
2018-01-29 18:09 <smxy> nor should they be using opensim, but I digress. :)
2018-01-29 18:10 <Melanie_T> there is no way to keep a sim up during an ip change
2018-01-29 18:10 <Melanie_T> the LL protocol uses IP addresses as payloads
2018-01-29 18:10 <Melanie_T> they are stored at the client
2018-01-29 18:10 <Melanie_T> if the external IP changes, clients WILL disconnect
2018-01-29 18:10 <BillBlight> changing and IP binding while in use is a bad idea
2018-01-29 18:10 <paela> i agree with you smxy lol, but the reality is 80 % of usage opensim is home computer
2018-01-29 18:10 <paela> i mean in the start simulator melanie
2018-01-29 18:11 <BillBlight> personal opinion, that is the 80% that keeps opensim from moving forward
2018-01-29 18:12 <paela> :)
2018-01-29 18:12 <Melanie_T> you can do that
2018-01-29 18:12 <Melanie_T> it's rather easy
2018-01-29 18:12 <Melanie_T> and nonobvious :)
2018-01-29 18:12 <Melanie_T> if you have dyndns set up on your router, simply enter your dyndns hostname instead of SYSTEMIP
2018-01-29 18:12 <paela> i have make it yes for a friend he run opensim at home 
2018-01-29 18:13 <BillBlight> set an exteral php page on a external webserver, curl it , get your IP set it to an environment variable, 
2018-01-29 18:13 <Melanie_T> and set the option to resolve the hostname via DNS (0.9.x only!)
2018-01-29 18:13 <paela> yes simu use curl for refresh
2018-01-29 18:14 <Tampa> hm maybe using include arch is my issue, maybe the overrides need to be in include ossl, assuming they load alphabetically
2018-01-29 18:14 <BillBlight> I setup a php file on my webserver that I think curl it to get the ip, easy peasy
2018-01-29 18:14 <Melanie_T> you need to set ResolveAddress in your regions.ini
2018-01-29 18:15 <paela> why is not in default melanie -)
2018-01-29 18:15 <Melanie_T> ExternalHostName will then be resolved via DNS and voila! you have your IP set
2018-01-29 18:15 <BillBlight> systems can have more than one IP
2018-01-29 18:15 <Melanie_T> that is why i said use dyndns, that way you control which one is set
2018-01-29 18:16 <Melanie_T> it's not on by default because it breaks other use cases so had to be made optional
2018-01-29 18:16 <paela> I will add to the doc of osgrid thanks melanie
2018-01-29 18:16 <Tampa> Ugh this load order just refuses to be tricked
2018-01-29 18:19 <Melanie_T> Tampa: are you building from source?
2018-01-29 18:19 <BillBlight> on linux , SYSTEMIP=$(curl -s http://bot.whatismyipaddress.com)
2018-01-29 18:21 <paela> I have a lot of complaints about the loading in mesh since the change in the management of throttles, it becomes unbearable to explain in permanence that it is mesh poorly done
2018-01-29 18:21 <Melanie_T> Tampa: are you building from source or not?
2018-01-29 18:28 <Melanie_T> whatever, i'll just post this
2018-01-29 18:28 <Melanie_T> adding 
2018-01-29 18:28 <Melanie_T> m_config.Source.ReplaceKeyValues()
2018-01-29 18:28 <Melanie_T> just before
2018-01-29 18:28 <Melanie_T> AddIncludes(overrideConfig, overrideSources);
2018-01-29 18:29 <Melanie_T> and
2018-01-29 18:29 <Melanie_T> AddIncludes(m_config, sources);
2018-01-29 18:29 <Melanie_T> in
2018-01-29 18:29 <Melanie_T> OpenSim/Region/Application/ConfigurationLoader.cs
2018-01-29 18:29 <Melanie_T> could help with enabling substitution in Inclode-
2018-01-29 18:30 <Tampa> Uh thank, I will add that, sorry I was having dinner just now :) Thank you again.
2018-01-29 19:27 <Ubit> dynamic dns works fine and does survive ip changes, except for a period when it does change dur to dns propagation. 
2018-01-29 19:28 <Ubit> that is a small time usually bc those entries have short dns ttl
2018-01-29 19:29 <Ubit> only ppl with static ips should use them as externaladdress
2018-01-29 19:30 <Ubit> or internal machines. A little grid can use intranet ips in regions/grid or regions/regions commscomms
2018-01-29 19:31 <Ubit> err no forget regions/regions for now
2018-01-29 19:34 <Ubit> regions see other regions same way as clients, to they must have a world usable ip
2018-01-29 19:35 <Ubit> but those things defined with Private port can be intranet ips
2018-01-29 19:50 <Tampa> OpenSim on dynamic dns is just not practical outside of standalones for testing or something, if dns is not updated eventually no one will be able to connect, as with any server application it prefers static ips
2018-01-29 19:53 <Ubit> if you want to run a public grid, you should have static ips
2018-01-29 19:53 <Ubit> but even small ones can work on dyndns 
2018-01-29 19:54 <Ubit> with a few glitchs during ip change as i said
2018-01-29 20:24 <Tampa> Just compiled a binary with those two changes, still not getting the variable replaced with what it is supposed be defined as.
2018-01-29 20:25 <BillBlight> what is it you are trying to do Tampa?
2018-01-29 20:26 <Tampa> [Const]overrides="home/simulators/node2" Include-osslEnable = "/${Const|overrides}/overrides.ini"
2018-01-29 20:26 <Tampa> Thought maybe the / causes escaping, but it does not
2018-01-29 20:26 <BillBlight> hmmm, I use something like that in a couple of places, I'll go look I know it was working
2018-01-29 20:29 <Tampa> It's just still not replacing the variable with its definition so there must be more code needed to accomplish that, hm...
2018-01-29 20:33 <BillBlight> do you have that at the very top of your OpenSim.ini?
2018-01-29 20:33 <Tampa> The Const part yes
2018-01-29 20:33 <BillBlight> hmmm
2018-01-29 20:34 <BillBlight> I use a few overrides like that and they seem to work .. I'll go check and see
2018-01-29 20:35 <Tampa> What does this line do: IConfig startupConfig = argvSource.Configs["Startup"];
2018-01-29 20:38 <Ubit> most those things are not opensim code but nini code
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2018-01-29 21:05 <Tampa> Me thinks its AddIncludes function in Configloader that is not replacing key values when loading the paths
2018-01-29 21:06 <Tampa> if (k.StartsWith("Include-"))
2018-01-29 21:06 <Tampa>                     {
2018-01-29 21:06 <Tampa>                         // read the config file to be included.
2018-01-29 21:06 <Tampa>                         string file = config.GetString(k);
2018-01-29 22:07 <Tampa> So apparently that's all a no-go, however turns out .config extension is ignored by inidirectory and I can actually get .config files to load last if I let the entire load order be dictated via a single file
2018-01-29 22:07 <Tampa> Not ideal since I now have to reconfigure all these simulators, but well it works
2018-01-29 22:37 <Ubit> yeap keys expansion is only done at end
2018-01-29 22:37 <Ubit> after all files loaded..  
2018-01-29 22:38 <Ubit> so does not work in Include-
2018-01-29 22:39 <Ubit> same for enviroment variables
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2018-01-30 01:40 <Ubit> anyone good with mysql here? ( and i mean really good...)
2018-01-30 01:42 <Ubit> ( and mariadb mysql diferences issues..)
2018-01-30 01:55 <ssm2017> Ubit i have already get support in #mysql in the past and they were really reactive
2018-01-30 01:57 <Ubit> thx i may go there
2018-01-30 01:58 <Ubit> damm what does FS think folder uuid-zero is? root?
2018-01-30 02:14 <Plugh> It is the root folder
2018-01-30 02:15 <Plugh> Ubit, what is your DB issue?
2018-01-30 02:25 <Ubit> well we do refuse that uuid.zero
2018-01-30 02:28 <Ubit> it asks it for version control. we do have it broken anyway grrr
2018-01-30 02:38 <Ubit> ok guess UUID.zero is not exactly root folder
2018-01-30 02:38 <Ubit> but, current root folder
2018-01-30 02:39 <Ubit> viewer mb assuming  root folder id may had changed...
2018-01-30 02:40 <Ubit> it it assumes that, it can't ask for the one it does have on cache, of course
2018-01-30 02:40 <Ubit> so.. we may have it wrong
2018-01-30 02:40 <Plugh> current root? How can you have more than one?
2018-01-30 02:40 <Ubit> ll and fs may had assumed it may had change id
2018-01-30 02:41 <Ubit> but guess uuid zero just means get this user current root
2018-01-30 02:42 <Ubit> hmm lets see over there... what happens :p
2018-01-30 02:45 <Ubit> of course.. i did clear cache.. now have to wait ages grrr
2018-01-30 02:46 <Ubit> sl inv fetch is also not that fast grr
2018-01-30 02:48 <Ubit> don't understand why login sends inventory.. that seems just ignored
2018-01-30 02:52 <Ubit> nahh there this is a empty response also
2018-01-30 02:52 <Ubit> so.. fs crap
2018-01-30 02:53 <Ubit> hmm now i remembe i had check this ages ago :p
2018-01-30 07:11 <Bill_Blight> holy crap someone duct tap pela to the room
2018-01-30 07:11 <Bill_Blight> Paela too
2018-01-30 07:17 <Ubit> :)
2018-01-30 07:20 <Ubit> duct tape broken 
2018-01-30 07:36 <Bill_Blight> evidently
2018-01-30 07:36 <Bill_Blight> 
ACTION applies more Duct tape to Paela, maybe stick to room now ..

2018-01-30 07:37 <Ubit> 
ACTION gives bill more Duct tape

2018-01-30 07:37 <Ubit> 
ACTION super glues paela ears to channel roof

2018-01-30 07:38 <Bill_Blight> glue did not hold
2018-01-30 07:38 <Ubit> crap there goes our roof
2018-01-30 07:38 <Bill_Blight> HAHA
2018-01-30 07:40 <Bill_Blight> 
ACTION decides duct tape and glue not strong enough, gets out nail gun

2018-01-30 07:42 <Ubit> 
ACTION wonders if we will loose floor next time

2018-01-30 07:45 <Ubit> 
ACTION uses bill's gun and some habit plastic from lost in mars to fix root

2018-01-30 07:45 <Ubit> or patch
2018-01-30 07:45 <Ubit> habitat :p
2018-01-30 07:51 <Ubit> ohh another
2018-01-30 07:55 <Bill_Blight> 
ACTION moves into the house next door, this one is falling apart

2018-01-30 07:57 <Ubit> 
ACTION moves to RL  for a while :)

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2018-02-02 11:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #5857 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-02-02 11:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5857: SUCCESS in 8 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5857/
2018-02-02 11:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do not timeout floatsam assets caching thread
2018-02-02 17:09 <Plugh> I tend to forget the HG compatibility between 0.8.2 and 0.9. Can you HG TP between grids running those different versions of code? Can you only TP in one direction (ie. 0.9 to 0.8.2 but not from 0.8.2 to 0.9)?
2018-02-02 17:14 <BillBlight> HG works between them both ways
2018-02-02 17:26 <Plugh> ok. Someone is reporting a problem with HG TPs between grids. Could be an Internet problem.
2018-02-02 17:27 <Plugh> BillBlight: I thought there was a problem with the HG protocol having changed between versions.
2018-02-02 17:30 <BillBlight> I tp between grids of diff versions all day long, and people come to my grid from many diff versions, the main thing you run into is console spam if one end has the suitcase and the other doesn't
2018-02-02 17:31 <BillBlight> I'm pretty sure theere was a min protocol level change, but I think they'd have to be really out of date to hit that .
2018-02-02 17:32 <BillBlight> But on a similar note, I have a user submit a ticket about failed HG tp's , they regions they were trying to go to were either not up or had recently moved ..
2018-02-02 18:39 <Plugh> BillBlight: Trying to TP to OSgrid is just spitting out a bad gateway error message.
2018-02-02 18:39 <Plugh> That is when coming from a grid running 0.8.2 to OSGrids 0.9 version
2018-02-02 18:40 <nebadon_laptop> Plugh I just jumped from 0.8.2 to OSgrid no problem
2018-02-02 18:41 <Plugh> ok. No idea why I'm seeing bad gateway.
2018-02-02 18:43 <BillBlight> Most likely a dns cache issue
2018-02-02 18:45 <Plugh> TP was refused because Service request failed: [BadGateway] Bad Gateway
2018-02-02 18:53 <Plugh> I was able to HG TP to osgrid. Ill have to check how the person who reported a problem was trying to do the TP
2018-02-02 18:58 <djphil_> Good evening guys
2018-02-02 18:58 <djphil_> What can we expect from this new script engine?
2018-02-02 18:58 <djphil_> What is it improving?
2018-02-02 19:00 <Plugh> What new script engine?
2018-02-02 19:00 <djphil_> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=83e2fee71be695b78438e0c9dc50b649a539d0e3
2018-02-02 19:01 <Plugh> oh. Exciting times. :)
2018-02-02 19:02 <djphil_> now you are up to date :)
2018-02-02 19:03 <BillBlight> so far I am having good luck with it, state changes are much much smoother
2018-02-02 19:03 <BillBlight> https://youtu.be/eRsbOgpyIyU
2018-02-02 19:04 <Plugh> djphil_: I don't see that in my tree. Must be in the httptests branch Ubit is working on.
2018-02-02 19:04 <BillBlight> yes it is not fit for Normal relase  yet
2018-02-02 19:04 <BillBlight> only on the httptests branch
2018-02-02 19:04 <Plugh> yup. I was right
2018-02-02 19:05 <djphil_> It would be good to know a little what it is supposed to improve
2018-02-02 19:06 <BillBlight> +    ;; experimental engine
2018-02-02 19:06 <BillBlight> +    ;; implements microthreading, so fixing problems like llSleep or long events handlers
2018-02-02 19:06 <BillBlight> +    ;; but those will suffer from timeslicing, so will be slower.
2018-02-02 19:06 <BillBlight> +    ;; compiles LSL directly to IL, so only suports LSL scripting ( no C# etc)
2018-02-02 19:06 <BillBlight> +    ;; shares the Xengine APIs like LSL, OSSL, etc.
2018-02-02 19:06 <BillBlight> +    ;; DANGER, do not use with HG, don't leave regions running alone with it.
2018-02-02 19:06 <BillBlight> +    ;; TPs or crossings to/from Xengine will recompile scripts losing state.
2018-02-02 19:06 <BillBlight> +    ;; attachment scripts may misbehave, cars will stop on crossings, etc.
2018-02-02 19:07 <BillBlight> oh what you can find reading the commitdiffs
2018-02-02 19:08 <BillBlight> right now it is not for the faint of heart that is for sure
2018-02-02 19:10 <djphil_> Is that the only one positive point ? 02implements microthreading01
2018-02-02 19:12 <BillBlight> I don't think that is the only, I'm sure more documenation will follow, but that is a MAJOR change, 
2018-02-02 19:12 <djphil_> ok
2018-02-02 19:13 <BillBlight> Hell so far worth it to me just for the fixes on llSleep and state changes
2018-02-02 19:16 <smxy> I look forward to the results. We've long needed a better script engine. But I won't be one of the ones testing it, at least not initially, given my grid is all about HG. :)
2018-02-02 19:18 <djphil_> Effectively, OpenSim without HG is not OpenSim ...
2018-02-02 19:56 <BillBlight> Umm I think you mis understand djPhill
2018-02-02 19:56 <BillBlight> HG works just fine with the new engine
2018-02-02 19:56 <BillBlight> but since it is a different script engine anybody landing with running scripts their scripts will reset
2018-02-02 19:57 <BillBlight> And may need a manual re-compile
2018-02-02 19:58 <BillBlight> This is not a "the sky is falling" moment
2018-02-02 19:58 <BillBlight> let's not make it one
2018-02-02 19:59 <Melanie_> that is the script engine from avination
2018-02-02 20:00 <Melanie_> it's actually extremely well tested
2018-02-02 20:00 <BillBlight> yes and Thank You Melanie
2018-02-02 20:00 <BillBlight> So far working well in my test
2018-02-02 20:01 <Melanie_> it performs much better with mono
2018-02-02 20:01 <Melanie_> windows doesn't offer the microthreads it uses
2018-02-02 20:02 <BillBlight> Yes all my regions are mono/linux and it is screaming .. State changes are so fast that I am amazed, state changes always stuttered before a bit
2018-02-02 20:05 <Melanie_> it's on a par with SL
2018-02-02 20:06 <Melanie_> avn used a specially modified mono that allowed a no-copy context switch, making it twice as fast again
2018-02-02 20:06 <Melanie_> that code is still in there, you just need that mono
2018-02-02 20:06 <Melanie_> it's also opensourced
2018-02-02 20:08 <Tampa> What version of mono were those changes based on, do you know?
2018-02-02 20:10 <paela> intessering melanie thanks for the infos
2018-02-02 20:10 <BillBlight> I know they changed the context switching on 5.x will have to see if they adopted something like that
2018-02-02 20:37 <Plugh> How do script runtimes compare in XMREngine vs ScriptEngine?
2018-02-02 20:38 <Plugh> Does the new engine eliminate the need for appdomains?
2018-02-02 20:38 <paela> any have the link for httptests please have lost it
2018-02-02 20:39 <Plugh> Same place as main code. Just a different branch.
2018-02-02 20:40 <paela> Plugh this : http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=e3f804e1d816910c1f144cce82a51e9b7622fc3c
2018-02-02 20:40 <paela> ?
2018-02-02 20:41 <Tampa> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=shortlog&p=opensim&h=refs/heads/httptests
2018-02-02 20:42 <Plugh> paela, the link is at the top of the page at http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Developer_Documentation#Source_Code_Repository_Access
2018-02-02 20:42 <Plugh> git clone git://opensimulator.org/git/opensim
2018-02-02 20:42 <Plugh> after you have that, check out the httptests branch
2018-02-02 20:43 <Plugh> hm... XMREngine goes from LSL to IL directly. I wonder if it has some of the same parsing errors as ScriptEngine.
2018-02-02 20:58 <Melanie_> XMREngine doesn't use appdomains
2018-02-02 20:59 <Melanie_> scripts are not compiled to assemblies and then loaded
2018-02-02 20:59 <Melanie_> instead they get compiled to IL and instantiated as dynamic methods
2018-02-02 20:59 <Melanie_> unlike assemblies, dynamic methods can be garbage collected
2018-02-02 21:00 <Melanie_> they are just objects on the managed heap
2018-02-02 21:00 <Melanie_> XMREngine uses a different parser
2018-02-02 21:00 <Melanie_> which, incidentally, replicates idosyncracies of SL that would not work on XEngine
2018-02-02 21:03 <Melanie_> XMREngine has three distinct threading models
2018-02-02 21:03 <Melanie_> one uses a modified mono where the modification is to allow to switch a thread's stack pinter
2018-02-02 21:04 <Melanie_> because switching a pointer is faster than copying the stack, this is the fastest variant
2018-02-02 21:05 <Tampa> so that's what pointers are good for
2018-02-02 21:05 <Melanie_> the second mode of operation uses mono's built-in microthreads, the pared down version of monoco that miguel finally accepted into mono
2018-02-02 21:05 <Melanie_> this is cooperative multithreading, also known as "continuations"
2018-02-02 21:06 <Melanie_> however, to context-switch, the entire stack of the script needs to be copied within memory
2018-02-02 21:06 <Melanie_> that's not really slow but it recuces the timeslice for each script by 50%
2018-02-02 21:07 <Melanie_> because of that, mono microthreads are only half the speed of mmr microthreads
2018-02-02 21:07 <Melanie_> .net doesn't use any system provided microthreads because microsoft didn't give us any
2018-02-02 21:08 <Melanie_> microthreading in .NET is done with async/await, it is a language feature rather then an IL level microthreading
2018-02-02 21:08 <Melanie_> since that isn't suitable for scripting, the .NET version uses heavyweight system threads to carry the coroutines on
2018-02-02 21:08 <Tampa> So unless that change is now part of mono in some capacity, to take full advantage means compiling mono based on that edit, which is not hard. Is there a repo for that special mono version?
2018-02-02 21:09 <Melanie_> there is a repo yes
2018-02-02 21:09 <Melanie_> https://github.com/mrieker/mono
2018-02-02 21:10 <Melanie_> of course mono also runs on windows
2018-02-02 21:10 <Tampa> So this was forked from mono 4.3?
2018-02-02 21:10 <Melanie_> but i don't know if the mono patch will run on windows
2018-02-02 21:10 <Melanie_> 4.3.2
2018-02-02 21:10 <Melanie_> avination's recommended version
2018-02-02 21:11 <Melanie_> this patch is already a lot less intrusive than earlier ones to mono 2.x and 3.x
2018-02-02 21:11 <Melanie_> which included assembly portions
2018-02-02 21:12 <Tampa> Also means it should be easier to port to 5, which should make that even faster yet
2018-02-02 21:12 <Melanie_> this has been around pretty much since 2009
2018-02-02 21:12 <Melanie_> so it's well tested indeed, having powered several closed commercial grids
2018-02-02 21:15 <Tampa> I'll pass it on see if I can get some info on what it would take to update this to mono 5, can't wait to see how fast this could be :)
2018-02-02 21:16 <BillBlight> It is considerbly faster as is ...  so if it gets better then WOW
2018-02-02 21:17 <Tampa> Last question: Since this is different from XEngine, does it also behave differently when llSleep is used in a script?
2018-02-02 21:18 <BillBlight> [14:06] <BillBlight> +    ;; experimental engine
2018-02-02 21:18 <BillBlight> [14:06] <BillBlight> +    ;; implements microthreading, so fixing problems like llSleep or long events handlers
2018-02-02 21:18 <BillBlight> [14:06] <BillBlight> +    ;; but those will suffer from timeslicing, so will be slower.
2018-02-02 21:18 <BillBlight> [14:06] <BillBlight> +    ;; compiles LSL directly to IL, so only suports LSL scripting ( no C# etc)
2018-02-02 21:18 <BillBlight> [14:06] <BillBlight> +    ;; shares the Xengine APIs like LSL, OSSL, etc.
2018-02-02 21:18 <BillBlight> [14:06] <BillBlight> +    ;; DANGER, do not use with HG, don't leave regions running alone with it.
2018-02-02 21:18 <BillBlight> [14:06] <BillBlight> +    ;; TPs or crossings to/from Xengine will recompile scripts losing state.
2018-02-02 21:18 <BillBlight> [14:06] <BillBlight> +    ;; attachment scripts may misbehave, cars will stop on crossings, etc.
2018-02-02 21:19 <BillBlight> oops 
2018-02-02 21:19 <BillBlight> that was the wrong paste
2018-02-02 21:19 <Tampa> Neat
2018-02-02 21:19 <BillBlight> but  yes it fixes the sleep issues
2018-02-02 21:19 <BillBlight> the first thing I noticed was state changes, that little stutter on state changes is gone as far as I can tell
2018-02-02 21:23 <Tampa> Going to break lightspeed if we are not careful :)
2018-02-02 21:24 <Melanie_> not only llSleep
2018-02-02 21:24 <Melanie_> that is fully supported, as are all the punitive sleeps, they are also now implemented by suspending the script rather than sleeping the thread
2018-02-02 21:25 <Melanie_> you can even run those badly done scripts where all the script is a loop in state_entry - those that never use events at all
2018-02-02 21:25 <Melanie_> those were previously a no-no
2018-02-02 21:26 <Melanie_> also, between regions using XEngine, teleport and crossing can happen even in the middle of a script event
2018-02-02 21:26 <Melanie_> because it has the ability to save the stack and IP
2018-02-02 21:26 <Melanie_> that's instruction pointer, not ip address
2018-02-02 21:26 <Melanie_> so a script can be packed even in the middle of an event, transported, and started where it left off
2018-02-02 21:27 <Melanie_> including local variables and call stack
2018-02-02 21:28 <BillBlight> I'm going to add a couple of regions to my test sims, and test some border crossings, this has me intrguied
2018-02-02 21:29 <Melanie_> border crossings within a simgle simulator are handled internally
2018-02-02 21:29 <Melanie_> the script never even gets suspended at all
2018-02-02 21:29 <Melanie_> you would need to have multiple simulators to really see what this can do
2018-02-02 21:29 <Melanie_> yo need TrustBinaries ON!!
2018-02-02 21:30 <Melanie_> the stuff that is sent across isn't a binary per se
2018-02-02 21:30 <Melanie_> it's not even IL
2018-02-02 21:30 <Melanie_> so with XMREngine TrustBinaries is safe even in open grids
2018-02-02 21:31 <Melanie_> the content of the xmrobj file, which is what is sent across, is an encrypted AST of the script
2018-02-02 21:31 <Melanie_> the code emitting is always done on the receiving end
2018-02-02 21:31 <Melanie_> which means mailicious code that compromises the script sandbox can't be created
2018-02-02 21:32 <Melanie_> assemblies sent to a sim from XEngine sims, which does use actual IL, are dropped, they never get loaded
2018-02-02 21:32 <Melanie_> so when using XMREngine, TrustBinaries can always be set true
2018-02-02 21:33 <Melanie_> for those interested, the AST is saved just after the reducing step of the compilation
2018-02-02 21:33 <Melanie_> so it can be used for emission of IL on the receiving end
2018-02-02 21:34 <Melanie_> but the file itself can't encode anything that a script can't do in the first place
2018-02-02 21:34 <Melanie_> so TrustBinaries leaves you no worse off than allowing scripting on your sims
2018-02-02 21:34 <Melanie_> only of you want to neither allow scriptiong nor script entry should you set TrustBinaries false
2018-02-02 21:35 <Melanie_> but even then you still need to use parcel controls or opensim.ini settings to determine which scripts are allowed to run
2018-02-02 21:35 <Melanie_> XMREngine fully integrates with OSSL but it comes with some surprises
2018-02-02 21:36 <Melanie_> like real arrays, object oriented concepts, awaitable events, etc
2018-02-02 21:37 <Melanie_> synchronous event handling allows you to implement things like an "abort" button for long-running tasks in the script without having to salami-slice your workload or work on a timer event
2018-02-02 21:37 <BillBlight> Nice, I'll setup a region in the same instance and then a couple in their own instances, to test the difference .. Thanks for the info
2018-02-02 21:37 <Melanie_> and xmrengine is usable with fast timers, unlike xengine it's not limited to 0.1s
2018-02-02 21:38 <Melanie_> set the event limit to 0.02 to emulate sl
2018-02-02 21:38 <BillBlight> I'm running it at .025 currently
2018-02-02 21:38 <Melanie_> sl manages 0.2 on average
2018-02-02 21:38 <Melanie_> 0.03
2018-02-02 21:38 <Melanie_> you could set it to 0.01 if you had mmr mono
2018-02-02 21:39 <Melanie_> since the engine implements preemptive multitasking on top of coroutines, your timer events can't "hold up the system"
2018-02-02 21:40 <Melanie_> because they get their slice and that's it
2018-02-02 21:40 <Tampa> Does it achieve this maintaining the same or similar CPU load or will this new engine increase CPU usage?
2018-02-02 21:40 <Melanie_> it reduces it
2018-02-02 21:40 <Tampa> It just keeps getting better... :D
2018-02-02 21:40 <Melanie_> XEngine would usually top out at about 1000 scripts/sim
2018-02-02 21:40 <Melanie_> i've had xmrengine with mmr mono run reliably with 5000 scripts/sim
2018-02-02 21:41 <Melanie_> and 9000 scripts/sim in benchmark tests
2018-02-02 21:41 <Melanie_> but it does get laggy 
2018-02-02 21:41 <Melanie_> avn recommended <2000 scripts/sim for optimal user experience
2018-02-02 21:41 <BillBlight> well it could have more CPU usage, but I can see how on average it is going to lower it .. Each script getting it's own microthread rather than piling on top of everything else
2018-02-02 21:41 <Melanie_> but combat sims did use more
2018-02-02 21:41 <Tampa> I mean that also depends on the kind of scripts
2018-02-02 21:42 <Melanie_> no
2018-02-02 21:42 <BillBlight> my boat and plane scripts are very happy about it ..
2018-02-02 21:42 <Melanie_> more on the frequency of delivered events
2018-02-02 21:42 <Melanie_> think of it like this
2018-02-02 21:42 <Melanie_> imagine your LSL gets changed
2018-02-02 21:42 <Melanie_> from
2018-02-02 21:42 <Melanie_> integer i
2018-02-02 21:42 <Melanie_> default
2018-02-02 21:42 <Melanie_> {
2018-02-02 21:42 <Melanie_> state_entry()
2018-02-02 21:42 <Melanie_> {
2018-02-02 21:43 <Melanie_> do_something();
2018-02-02 21:43 <Melanie_> for (i = 0 ; i < 1000 ; i++)
2018-02-02 21:43 <Melanie_> {
2018-02-02 21:43 <Melanie_> do_something_else();
2018-02-02 21:43 <Melanie_> }
2018-02-02 21:43 <Melanie_> }
2018-02-02 21:43 <Melanie_> }
2018-02-02 21:44 <Melanie_> to have thread_switch();
2018-02-02 21:44 <Melanie_> added at the top of every loop
2018-02-02 21:44 <Melanie_> and after every LSL function
2018-02-02 21:44 <Melanie_> thread_switch() would check if the time slice is up
2018-02-02 21:44 <Melanie_> and either return, if it's not
2018-02-02 21:44 <Melanie_> or jump to the next coroutine
2018-02-02 21:44 <Tampa> I mean yes, was more thinking about timers vs. touch, a region can contain 3000 scripts no problem, if all those scripts are essentially fast asleep and arent doing anything
2018-02-02 21:45 <Melanie_> internally, it's implemented way more efficiently
2018-02-02 21:45 <Melanie_> but that is the shape of it
2018-02-02 21:45 <Melanie_> well, it's a matter of memory
2018-02-02 21:45 <Melanie_> XEngine events run on system level threads which need huge stacks
2018-02-02 21:45 <Melanie_> XMREngine run on way smaller microthreads
2018-02-02 21:45 <Melanie_> the heap and stack size can be tuned
2018-02-02 21:46 <Melanie_> but 256k heap and 128k stack works well
2018-02-02 21:46 <Tampa> So regions with lots of active scripts doing things every second will see less CPU, but scripts that are idle likely consume about the same, until someone interacts with them upon which they will again use less resources than before
2018-02-02 21:46 <Melanie_> that is 384kbytes
2018-02-02 21:47 <Melanie_> rather than the nearly a meg a system thread needs
2018-02-02 21:47 <Melanie_> memory has become the limiting factor with xmrengine, not cpu any longer
2018-02-02 21:47 <Tampa> Which reminds me, isn't there a builtin LSL function to readout the actual memory consumption or script size or something, I remember reading something about that, but I think that never worked on XEngine?
2018-02-02 21:47 <Melanie_> the scripts are preemptively multitasked
2018-02-02 21:48 <Melanie_> more activity means the scripts slow down, not the sim
2018-02-02 21:49 <Melanie_> obviously, the internals of XMREngine are a tough read
2018-02-02 21:49 <Melanie_> unless you're a compiler engineer, you probably wouldn't make heads or tails of it
2018-02-02 21:49 <Melanie_> xmrengine provides a number of functions prefixed xmr
2018-02-02 21:50 <Melanie_> that give xmrengine specific performance metrics
2018-02-02 21:50 <Melanie_> xmrengine comes with a stub runtime that overrides some functions in LSL_Api
2018-02-02 21:50 <Melanie_> that i made virtual for just that reason, years ago
2018-02-02 21:50 <Melanie_> to inject it's data into the LSL functions
2018-02-02 21:51 <Melanie_> so they go give data as well, but it's massaged to not confuse LSL scripts
2018-02-02 21:51 <Melanie_> like those copied from LL
2018-02-02 21:51 <Melanie_> the xmrGet* stuff gives you the straight dope
2018-02-02 21:54 <Tampa> I think it might have been llGetFreeMemory, not sure though, I was experimenting with trying to collect runtime stats of scripts to evaluate how "heavy" some operations were
2018-02-02 21:55 <Melanie_> then that is xmrGetFreeMemory
2018-02-02 21:55 <Melanie_> to ge the actual (not capped at 256k) value
2018-02-02 21:56 <Tampa> I think it was something along the lines of "Script always reporting 65536 bytes used"
2018-02-02 21:57 <paela> one region work on OpenSim 0.9.1.0 Snail Dev  20ca517  linux opensuse real server name region is Httptests Linux mono 5.0.8 
2018-02-02 21:57 <paela> in osgrid
2018-02-02 21:57 <Melanie_> LSL scripts can't deal with huge values
2018-02-02 21:57 <Melanie_> many of them aren't equipped for it
2018-02-02 21:57 <Tampa> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlScriptProfiler
2018-02-02 21:57 <Melanie_> so the values the LL functions return get massaged
2018-02-02 21:58 <Melanie_> like miffy fluffy's sex beds
2018-02-02 21:58 <Melanie_> that report -63000 bytes free in opensim
2018-02-02 21:59 <Tampa> I mean, I never seemed to be able to get any profiling to give back any changes if the script grew in complexity
2018-02-02 21:59 <Tampa> It always seemed to report one value no matter what
2018-02-02 22:00 <Melanie_> in XEnginge, i suppose
2018-02-02 22:00 <Melanie_> XEngine simply didn't have those values available
2018-02-02 22:01 <Tampa> That's what I was wondering, how far XMR was to being "true SL"
2018-02-02 22:01 <Melanie_> you were always supposed to use the viewer for profiling, not scripts
2018-02-02 22:01 <Melanie_> XMR has that data
2018-02-02 22:01 <Melanie_> in a massaged and a clean version
2018-02-02 22:01 <Melanie_> depending on whether you use ll or xmr prefix
2018-02-02 22:01 <Melanie_> the data shown in the viewer is also more meaningful
2018-02-02 22:02 <Tampa> I know, just wondering since that is always a good thing to tell people, you know how much they like the "more like SL" phrase :)
2018-02-02 22:03 <Melanie_> well, people in SL hate the nag and kickban stuff that people there now use to force people in clubs to look almost like rith
2018-02-02 22:03 <djphil_> I think we prefer the phrase "better than sl" :)
2018-02-02 22:03 <Melanie_> fior the sake of "lag"
2018-02-02 22:03 <Melanie_> ruth*
2018-02-02 22:04 <Melanie_> any advanced, scripted avatar is too "laggy" for today's SL clubs
2018-02-02 22:04 <Melanie_> i fail to see the point anyway
2018-02-02 22:04 <Melanie_> there is a DJ spinning there but it's really radio, with lots of talk in between
2018-02-02 22:04 <Tampa> Well we already far outpaced SL on so many levels at this point I am just baffled as to why anyone bothers with SL anymore
2018-02-02 22:04 <Melanie_> but if you look at the stream stats, in a club with 20 people, the stream has 6 listeners
2018-02-02 22:05 <Melanie_> ask anyone and they say "i just like the place but i hate the music. i'm listening to my ipod"
2018-02-02 22:05 <Tampa> Guess that keeps the cost for the stream lower but meh xD
2018-02-02 22:06 <Melanie_> point is they also don't chat
2018-02-02 22:06 <Melanie_> all they have is the illusion of being with other people
2018-02-02 22:06 <Melanie_> while living in splendid isolation
2018-02-02 22:06 <Tampa> SL suffers from the same thing most videogames suffer from now, things are getting more and more expensive all the while the quality hasn't gone up in years
2018-02-02 22:31 <paela> well i dont know if is have change a lots the last years but me i see secondlife rezz all very faster now
2018-02-02 22:33 <BillBlight> I'll take that bet
2018-02-02 22:35 <BillBlight> As long as you have a solid connection, and a solid asset server, there is not much speed difference in rezzing in Opensim and rezzing in SL ..  It all comes down to the speed of your asset server, and how fast the connection can get it to you
2018-02-02 22:35 <BillBlight> the only major speed difference I see in SL compared to Opensim, is initial region TP's / connections seem much faster
2018-02-02 22:36 <BillBlight> in SL
2018-02-02 22:36 <paela> osgrid tp is  0.8 sec
2018-02-02 22:36 <BillBlight> I didn't say it was slow, just that SL seems a touch faster
2018-02-02 22:37 <Tampa> Really? Last login to SL for me was all about chatlag, forcefully attaching things to my avatar and regions crashing when I teleported in, so idk 
2018-02-02 22:37 <paela> hum with the new servers grid now osgrid are more fast of sl for the tp :)
2018-02-02 22:38 <paela> but yes i think we hare limited by the old capacity network of assets servers :)
2018-02-02 22:38 <paela> are*
2018-02-02 22:38 <BillBlight> I said initial connection , I did not say rez of region
2018-02-02 22:38 <BillBlight> from the time you start a tp to the time you land, region rezzing is horribly slow in SL these days
2018-02-02 22:41 <paela> for me is fast in sl :) and all friend french in too 
2018-02-02 22:42 <paela> i dont know why :/
2018-02-02 22:43 <BillBlight> I guess it also depends on your definition of fast ... I have no mesh rezzing issues that you speak of on my grid. so I guess it is all subjective
2018-02-02 22:44 <paela> the speed of rezz avi mesh depending of the number of avi in the simu
2018-02-02 22:44 <paela> example after 4 avi all new avi come rezz very slow
2018-02-02 22:45 <Tampa> I get the exact opposite from my customers, those who come from SL are rather amazed at the speed and stability especially when adjusted to what you pay for it, so sample-size dependent I think you are doing something wrong :)
2018-02-02 22:46 <BillBlight> yeah we just had a gathering last sunday at a very "materials" and mesh heavy sim, with about 20 ish avatars, about half of them mesh, and no one had any issues, that were not directly viewer related (new firestorm)
2018-02-02 22:47 <BillBlight> So again it just depends on what you are making the judgement against
2018-02-02 22:47 <paela> we use the default of opensim
2018-02-02 22:47 <paela> think same of you :)
2018-02-02 22:48 <paela> but i see in my server test with mono 5.8 with httptests rezz are very better
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2018-02-02 23:42 <Plugh> Melanie_: which, incidentally, replicates idosyncracies of SL that would not work on XEngine
2018-02-02 23:42 <Melanie_> yes?
2018-02-02 23:42 <Plugh> That sucks a bit. Makes it easier for people to port bad scripts over to OS from SL. :P
2018-02-02 23:43 <Melanie_> the idea has always been to allow anything from sl to run on OS unmodified
2018-02-02 23:43 <Melanie_> xmrengine does just that
2018-02-02 23:43 <Plugh> ok
2018-02-02 23:43 <Tampa> You can still write horrid scripts even in opensim, I am guilty of that myself
2018-02-02 23:44 <Melanie_> the combination of ubode and xmrengine will make any SL vehicle work in OS
2018-02-02 23:44 <Melanie_> because ubODE was meant to replicate SL physics
2018-02-02 23:44 <Plugh> That would mean same order of operations. Does it also mean short cutting in if statements as soon as it can get a definitive true or false?
2018-02-02 23:44 <Melanie_> and since os got avn region corssings with persistent physics (when using ubode) xmrengine now fills the gap
2018-02-02 23:45 <Melanie_> to let sailors and flyers explore multi-varregion sized spaces
2018-02-02 23:45 <Tampa> Which, btw, already works really really really well
2018-02-02 23:46 <Melanie_> Plugh: more even in that it does the same right-to-left evalualtion, left-to-right collation LSL does in SL
2018-02-02 23:46 <paela> well, if the new engine script are more easy for user migrate script is a big improuvement
2018-02-02 23:46 <Plugh> Tampa: Oh, I'm sure it isn't hard for people to write bad scripts. It would have been nice if we no longer had to face that silly thing to save memory done in SL -> l = (l = []) + [newitem] type thing
2018-02-02 23:46 <Melanie_> the memsaver hack has no place in xmrengine
2018-02-02 23:46 <Melanie_> it saves no memory
2018-02-02 23:47 <Melanie_> because function params don't count against heap memory
2018-02-02 23:47 <Melanie_> but it will be parsed and evaluated correctly
2018-02-02 23:47 <Plugh> yea, but its a hack that will still be in some of the scripts coming in from SL.
2018-02-02 23:47 <Melanie_> just as in SL
2018-02-02 23:47 <Melanie_> no more rewriting
2018-02-02 23:47 <Tampa> Not hard to crawl a script and change those
2018-02-02 23:48 <Melanie_> well, try it on sexgen
2018-02-02 23:48 <Plugh> Right to left eval is something I didn't know about when I started writing LSL scripts. It isn't something I've run across in any of the other languages I've used.
2018-02-02 23:48 <Melanie_> regardless, xmrengine does it correctly
2018-02-02 23:48 <Plugh> Tampa: No. I've done it in the past when that hack was flagged as an error.
2018-02-02 23:49 <Tampa>  if(variable) is far more common issue with porting scripts I find
2018-02-02 23:49 <Melanie_> xmrengine does that correctly, too
2018-02-02 23:50 <Tampa> Which removes a much bigger headache cause searching a script for those and correcting them can take up a lot of time
2018-02-02 23:50 <Melanie_> this is nine years of development
2018-02-02 23:51 <Plugh> dinner time. bbl.
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2018-02-03 15:09 <osmantis> Bug #8287:04 [XmlRpcGroups] Fix last login date 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8287 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2018-02-03 17:25 <osmantis> Bug #8287:04 [XmlRpcGroups] Fix last login date 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8287 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-03 17:25 <osmantis> Bug #8287:04 [XmlRpcGroups] Fix last login date 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8287 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2018-02-03 18:16 <osmantis> Bug #8287:04 [XmlRpcGroups] Fix last login date 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8287 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-02-03 20:44 <Ubit> oops
2018-02-03 20:46 <BillBlight> oops?
2018-02-03 20:47 <Ubit> yeap ooops :p
2018-02-03 20:52 <Ubit> that oops :p
2018-02-03 20:52 <Plugh> :)
2018-02-03 20:52 <BillBlight> haha
2018-02-03 20:53 <BillBlight> There goes Ubit, added code from the future again
2018-02-03 20:53 <Ubit> :)
2018-02-03 20:54 <Ubit> uff my poor half broken laptop takes ages to comp all :)
2018-02-03 20:55 <Ubit> hmm 3 warnings?
2018-02-03 20:55 <BillBlight> I noticed
2018-02-03 20:55 <BillBlight> That has got to be a Opensimulator World Record
2018-02-03 20:55 <Ubit> wheer did the extra one came from?
2018-02-03 20:56 <Ubit> hmm ok..  the obsolete sec managar, still a ref to profile 2.0 and the unreached code
2018-02-03 20:56 <Ubit> .net 2.0 i mean
2018-02-03 20:57 <Ubit> guess from those openID and mail
2018-02-03 20:58 <Ubit> well where meaning less warnings i just told comp to shutup :p
2018-02-03 20:59 <Ubit> but a smaller number helps spotting meaning ones
2018-02-03 21:00 <smxy> They are *such* meanies. :P
2018-02-03 21:00 <BillBlight> Yeah there are real warnings and the "We can't fix  this  yet" ones
2018-02-03 21:00 <Ubit> the regions are exiting for you?
2018-02-03 21:00 <Ubit> mine still doesn't grrr
2018-02-03 21:00 <Ubit> i got another thread that does not want to die somewhere possible
2018-02-03 21:00 <BillBlight> I have to test again ... but like 75% of the time , but have not started the new ones yet
2018-02-03 21:01 <Ubit> hmm let me check with Xengine
2018-02-03 21:01 <Ubit> stty sane
2018-02-03 21:01 <Ubit> errr
2018-02-03 21:02 <Ubit> yeap worked better on the ssh window :p
2018-02-03 21:05 <Ubit> ok with Xeng it does exit
2018-02-03 21:06 <BillBlight> bringing up my 3 test regions, will report back after they start and I try to shut them down
2018-02-03 23:57 <osmantis> Bug #8287:04 [XmlRpcGroups] Fix last login date 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8287 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-03 23:58 <osmantis> Bug #8287:04 [XmlRpcGroups] Fix last login date 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8287 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-04 00:01 <osmantis> Bug #8287:04 [XmlRpcGroups] Fix last login date 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8287 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-04 00:02 <Ubit> stop chating on mantis :p
2018-02-04 00:02 <Ubit> forcing me to reload the thing all the time :p
2018-02-04 00:03 <paela> :D
2018-02-04 00:03 <BillBlight> HAHA
2018-02-04 00:03 <paela> poor ubit !
2018-02-04 00:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #5858 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-02-04 00:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5858: SUCCESS in 8 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5858/
2018-02-04 00:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8287: applied modified patch by hand, thx watcher64
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2018-02-04 02:19 <misterblue> when I do a clean clone of OpenSim (from git://opensimulator.org/git/opensim), do a "git checkout httptests", then a 'runprebuild.bat', I get errors.... is that expected?
2018-02-04 02:22 <misterblue> maybe problems with prebuild.xml not having log4net everywhere... checking...
2018-02-04 02:25 <misterblue> prebuild.xml is very different between master and httptests... hummmmm
2018-02-04 02:26 <misterblue> maybe time for some sync'ing
2018-02-04 02:26 <Ubit> it is working ok for me on win and linux
2018-02-04 02:26 <misterblue> httptests seems to be diverging
2018-02-04 02:27 <Ubit> yes it is
2018-02-04 02:27 <misterblue> wasn't working for me so I did a clean clone and tried to make it work... having some problems
2018-02-04 02:27 <misterblue> could be my environment... haven't found the problem yet
2018-02-04 02:28 <Ubit> errr what sync? it is suposed to be dif
2018-02-04 02:28 <Ubit> hmm let me recheck also on new clone on win
2018-02-04 02:30 <Ubit> well when my net decides to fecth it all
2018-02-04 02:30 <misterblue> I'm working on my Windows10 desktop... will be trying on the latesst mono shortly
2018-02-04 02:30 <Ubit> should work on both
2018-02-04 02:31 <Ubit> what errors by the way ?
2018-02-04 02:31 <Ubit> ( im at 11% of the clone lol )
2018-02-04 02:32 <Ubit> i see a few about missing resources on my work copy
2018-02-04 02:32 <Ubit> but guess had been always there ?
2018-02-04 02:41 <Ubit> yeap worked fine.. just those resource errors
2018-02-04 02:42 <Ubit> ops forgot to change to httptests :p
2018-02-04 02:43 <Ubit> well master also compiled :)
2018-02-04 02:44 <Ubit> but same
2018-02-04 02:45 <Ubit> oops i compiled log4 for .net 4.7 ?
2018-02-04 02:45 <Ubit> odd
2018-02-04 02:46 <Ubit> hm  no i didn't odd
2018-02-04 02:48 <nebadon_laptop> it doesnt build for me either
2018-02-04 02:49 <Ubit> in win or linux ?
2018-02-04 02:49 <nebadon_laptop> works in linux, not on windows 10 64 bit
2018-02-04 02:49 <Ubit> what error?
2018-02-04 02:49 <Ubit> log4 compiled for 4.7 ?
2018-02-04 02:51 <nebadon_laptop> https://gist.github.com/nebadon2025/0992d74dd718bcc89b3bf34b60dbbbfa
2018-02-04 02:51 <nebadon_laptop> looks like log4net errors yes
2018-02-04 02:52 <nebadon_laptop> much better
2018-02-04 02:53 <Ubit> i did test 4.7 but on my local git it was 4.6.. or so it said
2018-02-04 02:53 <nebadon_laptop> 1 warning total :) no errors
2018-02-04 02:53 <Ubit> wait to run lol
2018-02-04 02:54 <nebadon_laptop> yea i wasnt going to run it :) just seeing if it compiled
2018-02-04 02:54 <Ubit> chicken
2018-02-04 02:54 <nebadon_laptop> id have to setup inis and such
2018-02-04 02:54 <Ubit> :p
2018-02-04 02:54 <nebadon_laptop> hehe
2018-02-04 02:54 <Ubit> yeap the usual pain
2018-02-04 02:54 <nebadon_laptop> and I almost never run standalones
2018-02-04 02:54 <nebadon_laptop> and dont currently have a local grid running
2018-02-04 02:55 <Ubit> it links to osg
2018-02-04 02:55 <nebadon_laptop> cool ya i'll give it a shoot at some point
2018-02-04 02:55 <nebadon_laptop> i also dont have any OSG regions running at the moment either
2018-02-04 02:56 <nebadon_laptop> i need to update those inis for new server stuff too
2018-02-04 02:56 <nebadon_laptop> been so busy 
2018-02-04 03:04 <Cody_> Poll : Do you think a OpenSim Grid for 13-17 Year Old Should Be Opened as a Subsitute for the Old Second Life Teen Grid http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=5a767746e4b0375c6053c202
2018-02-04 03:06 <nebadon_laptop> that sounds like a legal nightmare if you ask me
2018-02-04 03:09 <Cody_> I have policies prepared and everything......everything reviewed by 2 lawyers.......but the Question is "Would It Be Used?"
2018-02-04 03:10 <nebadon_laptop> I think a lot of schools are using opensim internally
2018-02-04 03:10 <nebadon_laptop> im not sure how well received an open teen grid would be
2018-02-04 03:11 <nebadon_laptop> if the object is to make any kind of profit I think success will be limited at best
2018-02-04 03:11 <nebadon_laptop> Teen grid was mostly successful because of the success of the main grid
2018-02-04 03:11 <nebadon_laptop> starting out as a teen grid tons of hurdles
2018-02-04 03:12 <nebadon_laptop> and policies alone are probably not enough to protect you fully
2018-02-04 03:12 <nebadon_laptop> need to be prepared  to litigate
2018-02-04 03:12 <nebadon_laptop> even winning can be very expensive
2018-02-04 03:15 <Cody_> Hey, I am just trying to see if there is interest....me and my friends want to be able to be on a grid
2018-02-04 03:15 <nebadon_laptop> yea I understand, It really depends on your goals I suppose
2018-02-04 03:16 <Cody_> but there is no opensim grid that i have found that market towards teens not affiliated with a school
2018-02-04 03:16 <nebadon_laptop> yea, I suspect no one wants to take on that level of risk
2018-02-04 03:16 <nebadon_laptop> it would be rather difficult to insure that its only teens
2018-02-04 03:16 <nebadon_laptop> especially with hypergrid and such
2018-02-04 03:17 <nebadon_laptop> you could potentially lock all that down and make things fairly secure, but its still difficult to be 100% sure someone is actually a teen
2018-02-04 03:17 <nebadon_laptop> all it takes is one pissed off parent
2018-02-04 03:17 <nebadon_laptop> and you have years long nightmare on your hands
2018-02-04 03:19 <nebadon_laptop> you would need some very good way to verify identity
2018-02-04 03:19 <nebadon_laptop> through credit card or something, parental approvals etc..
2018-02-04 03:19 <nebadon_laptop> not saying it couldnt be done, just be sure you really cross all your t's and dot all your i's with the legal aspects of something like that
2018-02-04 13:16 <Ubit> poker face....   <<<< ><<<< ><<< poker face ><<><<<< mamama
2018-02-04 13:17 <Ubit> oh ohoh oh oh <<<><<<><<<<<
2018-02-04 13:17 <Ubit> damm my cats told me to shutup
2018-02-04 13:42 <Tampa> rofl
2018-02-04 14:37 <paela> are you ok ubit ? lol
2018-02-04 14:37 <Ubit> :)
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2018-02-05 14:37 <Cody_> Poll : http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=5a767746e4b0375c6053c202
2018-02-05 14:37 <osmantis> Bug #8282:04 Settings PRIM_NORMAL, PRIM_SPECULAR, PRIM_ALPHA_MODE, not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8282 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-05 15:14 <osmantis> Bug #8282:04 Settings PRIM_NORMAL, PRIM_SPECULAR, PRIM_ALPHA_MODE, not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8282 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-05 15:57 <osmantis> Bug #8282:04 Settings PRIM_NORMAL, PRIM_SPECULAR, PRIM_ALPHA_MODE, not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8282 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-05 20:10 <Cody_> Question : When Running Grid Mode, Should the Database Specified in config-include/GridCommon.ini be the same as the one in Robust.ini?
2018-02-05 20:12 <nebadon_laptop> its better to keep robust and regions seperated
2018-02-05 20:12 <Cody_> ok
2018-02-05 20:13 <Cody_> thank you
2018-02-05 20:13 <nebadon_laptop> if your just testing its ok there is no technical reason you can't
2018-02-05 20:13 <nebadon_laptop> its just better practice not to in my opinion
2018-02-05 20:16 <Cody_> I am trying to setup the Binaries then because I am tired of using Diva's Distro
2018-02-05 20:21 <nebadon_laptop> the only major differnece with Divas distro is how the ini files are layed  out
2018-02-05 20:21 <nebadon_laptop> otherwise its quite the same
2018-02-05 20:21 <nebadon_laptop> its good to know how to do it from scratch though too
2018-02-05 21:06 <Cody_> ok
2018-02-06 00:26 <Cody__> Alright...I Got the Robust and the Region Servers Setup and Working and My Viewer will get the info from the Robust Server...........but when try to login....my viewer says "Login Failed.. This May Be Due To Your Computer's Time Being INcorrect" Any Suggestions?
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2018-02-06 03:56 <Cody_> Alright...I Got the Robust and the Region Servers Setup and Working and My Viewer will get the info from the Robust Server...........but when try to login....my viewer says "Login Failed.. This May Be Due To Your Computer's Time Being INcorrect" Any Suggestions?
2018-02-06 03:57 <smxy> Try setting your time? :)
2018-02-06 03:59 <Cody_> well..... I dont know what i shoul be setting it to.....i have it on thee correct time
2018-02-06 03:59 <BillBlight> your server and PC should both be set to the correct time, timezone should not matter as long as the time is correct
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2018-02-07 10:27 <Ubit> damm ly linux died again.. can't test on it grrr
2018-02-07 12:28 <osmantis> Bug #8287:04 [XmlRpcGroups] Fix last login date 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8287 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2018-02-07 12:28 <osmantis> Bug #8287:04 [XmlRpcGroups] Fix last login date 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8287 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2018-02-07 14:24 <osmantis> Bug #8288:04 DATASNAPSHOT] Caught unknown exception while trying to load snapshot 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8288 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2018-02-07 14:24 <osmantis> Bug #8288:04 [DATASNAPSHOT] Caught unknown exception while trying to load snapshot 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8288 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2018-02-07 17:17 <BillBlight> So, question about the last commit, is that potentially sacrificing linux performance?
2018-02-07 17:28 <Plugh> BillBlight: Which commit?
2018-02-07 17:37 <BillBlight> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=53a910e3e5add262a4fee1f73aad7419f9d150b5
2018-02-07 18:14 <Plugh> BillBlight: ok. Not sure what that means. It only affects the new scripting engine so nothing that much to worry about for now.
2018-02-07 18:15 <Ubit> its a bit tricky thing :)
2018-02-07 18:16 <Ubit> yeack have it all broken now lol
2018-02-07 18:16 <BillBlight> Pluh it is when you are testing the new script engine, if we don't worry about things like that now, how will we know they are good enough to ever release?
2018-02-07 18:39 <Ubit> and suporting :p
2018-02-07 19:53 <Ubit> actually a bit of api is needed to override Sleep ops, for now :)
2018-02-07 19:58 <Ubit> still seems to work on linux, and does seem to exit on shutdown
2018-02-07 19:58 <Ubit> hmm a odd pulse desync error  grrr
2018-02-07 19:59 <Ubit> bahh and the linux box died again... grrr
2018-02-07 20:03 <osmantis> Bug #8288:04 [DATASNAPSHOT] Caught unknown exception while trying to load snapshot 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8288 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-07 22:05 <smxy> So, if I read the commit messages right, you're making the new engine run worse on mono, by ripping out mono specific stuff?
2018-02-07 22:09 <Plugh> the engine requires a modified version of mono. IIRC, Ubit is trying to change the code so that it will work with non-modified versions of mono.
2018-02-07 22:20 <BillBlight> After listening to ubit's explanation, it should not really impact it as the mono stuff is not really implemented in stock mono ....
2018-02-07 23:51 <smxy> Right, so whatever benefit the modified mono brought to the table, will be lost. 
2018-02-07 23:52 <smxy> I also understand that no one's going to have the modified mono, so ...
2018-02-07 23:52 <smxy> Kinda have to yank it, I guess.
2018-02-07 23:53 <smxy> I just hope we aren't losing something important from the engine. Time will tell. :)
2018-02-08 02:46 <Cody_> I need help, I am a 14 Year Old, I am trying to setup a grid for teens, but i keep having login issues, the Viewer claims Login Failed because "Most Likely your Computer's Time is Incorrect", but The Server Time and my Local Computer's Time is correct, Any Ideas, I have been trying to fix this problem for a few days
2018-02-08 16:52 <osmantis> Bug #8288:04 [DATASNAPSHOT] Caught unknown exception while trying to load snapshot 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8288 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-02-08 17:44 <osmantis> Bug #8288:04 [DATASNAPSHOT] Caught unknown exception while trying to load snapshot 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8288 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-08 19:19 <iStormUK> I'm not a dev for the back end stuff in OpenSim, so be gentle, but I am having an issue making state-persistent scripts lately
2018-02-08 20:12 <Tampa> Changing Prim Revolutions causes the Prim to vanish and a console message: GetAgentPreferences received null or empty reply
2018-02-08 20:12 <Tampa> Am I missing something?
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2018-02-09 01:06 <djphil> Ping Ubit
2018-02-09 01:06 <djphil> Are you arround ?
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2018-02-09 11:44 <Melanie_> smxy: Ubit is also ripping out the stuff that makes the engine run 100x faster on unmodified mono
2018-02-09 11:45 <Melanie_> it's his opinion that code that doesn't run on every platform has no business being in core
2018-02-09 11:45 <Ubit> no i did not
2018-02-09 11:46 <Ubit> 100x faster, if it was that, was exclusively on context switcing
2018-02-09 11:46 <Ubit> switching..
2018-02-09 11:46 <Ubit> thats only part of the exec time
2018-02-09 11:47 <Ubit> also removing the extra set of threads, reduces costs
2018-02-09 11:48 <Ubit> since even with modified mono the needed context was still there maintained... well not that easy to talk about gains/losses
2018-02-09 12:44 <Tampa> My humble opinion: OpenSim runs much better on linux from my experience so I will likely leave most of the mod-mono stuff in there and get mod-mono up to 5.4 if I can.
2018-02-09 12:44 <Tampa> That's the beauty of open-source though, everyone can decide what code they like and keep it
2018-02-09 12:54 <Ubit> nice my win10 box does seem slower running test script on mantis that win7 was
2018-02-09 12:54 <Ubit> 110ms now, versus 66ms before
2018-02-09 12:54 <Ubit> also on 0.8.2 ufff
2018-02-09 12:56 <Ubit> xengine of course
2018-02-09 12:56 <Tampa> likely runs even faster on linux
2018-02-09 12:57 <Ubit> bullshit
2018-02-09 12:57 <Tampa> I don't bullshit
2018-02-09 12:58 <Ubit> and a waste of time to even discuss
2018-02-09 12:59 <Ubit> each uses the one that fits needs..
2018-02-09 12:59 <Ubit> im just comparing identical thing that was running on same hardware
2018-02-09 13:00 <Ubit> and matchs reports of 5x slower on recent monos
2018-02-09 13:00 <Ubit> that i also noticed on my linux box
2018-02-09 13:01 <Ubit> that by the way its a lot slower than the win10 one :p
2018-02-09 13:01 <Ubit> ( of course a older 2Ghz cpu :p )
2018-02-09 13:01 <Tampa> I have only ever seen positive results moving stuff from windows to linux in terms of speed and responsiveness
2018-02-09 13:02 <Ubit> im not even there.. just claims like that are meaningless
2018-02-09 13:03 <Ubit> at end of day, ppl use what fits needs..
2018-02-09 13:03 <Ubit> and costs of course..
2018-02-09 13:03 <Tampa> Only need windows has for most is because they don't want to deal with cli
2018-02-09 13:07 <Ubit> well not relevant for what i said, i just went to recheck the numbers i did made public on mantis 8127
2018-02-09 13:07 <Tampa> Never said it was relevant :)
2018-02-09 13:07 <Ubit> it may also be by win10 wants a restart
2018-02-09 13:08 <Ubit> but as i said i also did notice difs from mono 4.6.2 to 5.4.1.6  again on same hardware, same script
2018-02-09 13:09 <Ubit> same linux...
2018-02-09 13:09 <Tampa> So did I, but I only saw improvements rather than things being slower
2018-02-09 13:09 <Ubit> and im doing that to have a base line to compare "xmr" 2
2018-02-09 13:10 <Ubit> this xmr .. that i will rename, to easy the use of original one
2018-02-09 13:10 <Ubit> but later later.. a lot later..
2018-02-09 13:12 <Tampa> Is XEngine going to go away or will it remain as an "alternative"?
2018-02-09 13:12 <Ubit> will remain for a long time i guess
2018-02-09 13:13 <Ubit> first this one will need to prove itself a lot
2018-02-09 13:13 <Ubit> far from that as is
2018-02-09 13:15 <Ubit> in theory it should be possible to run both at sametime..  there is some code provision for that, but guess untested for ages
2018-02-09 13:16 <Tampa> I wish I had time to help test, stuck building things :S
2018-02-09 13:16 <Ubit> oen can select a engine per script with comments on top
2018-02-09 13:16 <Ubit> thats a old feature.. not sure how it stands now
2018-02-09 13:18 <Melanie_> it wasn't removed
2018-02-09 13:18 <Melanie_> there isn't a reason for it to not work
2018-02-09 13:18 <Melanie_> that code hasn't been touched in ages
2018-02-09 13:19 <Ubit> well got several already
2018-02-09 13:19 <Ubit> i mean xmr
2018-02-09 13:20 <Melanie_> engine selection doesn't happen in the engine
2018-02-09 13:20 <Melanie_> that bit is in core
2018-02-09 13:20 <Ubit> broken for multi ergions on same engine was one guess old
2018-02-09 13:20 <Ubit> actually each engine look also
2018-02-09 13:21 <Melanie_> yes. xmrengine does have that code
2018-02-09 13:21 <Tampa> Schrödingers code, its not broken if no one tries to use it xD
2018-02-09 13:21 <Melanie_> c&p from xengine originally
2018-02-09 13:22 <Ubit> well thats a feature to keep ( multi script engines) just not priority to even check now :)
2018-02-09 13:22 <Ubit> imo
2018-02-09 13:23 <Ubit> xmr il code does seem to be a bit faster..
2018-02-09 13:24 <Ubit> well on this particular script im using
2018-02-09 13:25 <Melanie_> yay, let's optimize the engine for one specific script ;)
2018-02-09 13:25 <Ubit> don't say you did that :p
2018-02-09 13:27 <Ubit> just using this bc i do have numbers on it
2018-02-09 13:33 <Ubit> grr why do i try to use airplanes as tests  when i always crash with them=?? :
2018-02-09 13:35 <Ubit> yeah this singel yield queue mb not that good
2018-02-09 13:37 <Ubit> but well have more code from mike to integrate..
2018-02-09 13:38 <Ubit> some with things i already did.. funny funny funny :)
2018-02-09 17:42 <smxy> [06:44] <Melanie_> smxy: Ubit is also ripping out the stuff that makes the engine run 100x faster on unmodified mono <-- Sounds like what Aurora and WhiteCore did - only optimize and write for Windows, and not Mono. I always thought that was a mistake, myself.
2018-02-09 17:42 <smxy> But I am not a developer, nor do I play one on TV. :)
2018-02-09 17:46 <BillBlight> Somethings run better on windows and some run better on linux.  I do agree that you should not cripple one just so the other can use it
2018-02-09 17:58 <Melanie_> Ubit is doing most work on core atm
2018-02-09 17:58 <Melanie_> as he's the one to do the work, he gets to decide what he works on
2018-02-09 17:58 <Melanie_> i also don't agree with removing the mono-only threading models
2018-02-09 20:16 <Tampa> I assume there is a, albeit labor intensive, way to implement those on windows as well?
2018-02-09 21:33 <smxy> In case it isn't obvious, Ubit, just because we might disagree, dpesn't mean we're bashing you, so please don't take it that way. Nothing wrong with a little disagreement/healthy debate now and then. :)
2018-02-09 21:34 <smxy> doesn't*
2018-02-09 21:34 <Ubit> all good :)
2018-02-09 21:34 <Ubit> except my working copy lol
2018-02-09 21:35 <Ubit> added last code from mike and.. yeack odd things going on :)
2018-02-09 21:35 <smxy> Well, if you break it, you own both parts. :)
2018-02-09 21:36 <BillBlight> 
ACTION hands Ubit some super glue

2018-02-09 21:36 <BillBlight> 
ACTION and a roll of duct tape

2018-02-09 21:36 <Ubit> well the changes go from il  to exec control.. so..  uff
2018-02-09 21:37 <Ubit> funny funny :)
2018-02-09 21:37 <Ubit> and now.. does not repo...  funny funny lol
2018-02-09 21:44 <BillBlight> I agree with smxy, we can agree to disagree, and just say "fork it" .. But I will be sad if this ends up "leaning" to the windows side by sacrificing linux peformance ...   
2018-02-09 22:00 <Melanie_> it already does
2018-02-09 22:01 <Melanie_> the windows system thread thing was always the slowest
2018-02-09 22:01 <Melanie_> but i don't know to what degree the removal of the other models may help to optimize the system thread version
2018-02-09 22:02 <Melanie_> i know ubit is very capable in the area of optimization
2018-02-09 22:02 <Melanie_> it's quite literally his bread and butter
2018-02-09 22:02 <Melanie_> so i'm sitting back and going to find out
2018-02-09 22:02 <Melanie_> i always have the original engine, the avn version
2018-02-09 22:02 <Melanie_> and can fall back to that
2018-02-09 22:37 <Tampa> So the issues I have had with Prims vanishing seem to have to do with invalid Prim parameters. I opened up a ticket with Firestorm and they have adviced to set FSEnforceStrictObjectCheck to false. Which does seem to fix the issue. Thing is, they are not certain this is an isolated viewerside issue
2018-02-09 22:37 <Tampa> and have asked me to bring this up again in case there is something that might cause parameters to appear invalid.
2018-02-09 23:06 <Melanie_> opensim has a more relaxed attitude to prim sizes
2018-02-09 23:06 <Melanie_> microprims like used in jewelry have to be created by means of prim torture in sl
2018-02-09 23:06 <Melanie_> in opensim, they can be created natively
2018-02-09 23:06 <Melanie_> if you have such microprims, they would violate sl rules
2018-02-09 23:07 <Melanie_> and code from sl that they have merged would likely kill those dead
2018-02-09 23:09 <BillBlight> The other thing is , I have not been able to replicate it .. EXCEPT for the fact that Firestorm will allow you to set parameters on prims of the wrong type, for instance , Revolutions , should not even be an option on anything but Tube, Torus, Ring and Sphere, yet FS allows you to change those, and in that case the prim does poof.
2018-02-09 23:14 <Tampa> This was tested on a basic 0.5,0.5,0.5 torus so its not a microprim issue
2018-02-09 23:15 <BillBlight> torus worked fine for me
2018-02-09 23:17 <BillBlight> https://www.dropbox.com/s/gskkje5zy2mtrvo/Screenshot%202018-02-09%2018.16.53.png?dl=0
2018-02-09 23:18 <Ubit> viewers did allowd some odd parameters
2018-02-09 23:18 <Ubit> now kill prims with them :)
2018-02-09 23:19 <BillBlight> right, that is what I was saying, FS lets you set illegal params, revolutions should not be allowed on a ALL types of prims
2018-02-09 23:19 <BillBlight>  but evidently FS allows it
2018-02-09 23:19 <BillBlight> on Singu that option vanishes on prims that it is not allowed
2018-02-09 23:24 <Ubit> well i only looked to that new fs option
2018-02-09 23:24 <Ubit> it only does enforce checks that where already there
2018-02-09 23:25 <Ubit> but didn't dig on them
2018-02-09 23:26 <Ubit> we do refuse some settings quietly
2018-02-09 23:26 <Ubit> like large hollow that would make inside of prims get into outside :)
2018-02-09 23:27 <Ubit> but thats only on making physics meshes
2018-02-09 23:27 <Ubit> you do see that in world on same cases
2018-02-09 23:28 <Ubit> and those hollow values where viewers getting "clever"
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2018-02-10 02:30 <djphil> Ubit on IRC ? :p
2018-02-10 02:31 <djphil> Hmmm he is in XMR !
2018-02-10 02:44 <Tampa> He might be sleeping its like 3am here
2018-02-10 02:45 <djphil> hehe sure ... here is 3h44 am
2018-02-10 08:47 <Wanderer_42> Hi.  I am running atm an stand-alone-server. And the console shows me all 13 minutes or so an "INVITE sip"-hex-output. Is this a sort of attack or can I ignore this ? 
2018-02-10 11:08 <Melanie_> Wanderer_42: it seems you have a voice chat module enabled
2018-02-10 11:08 <Melanie_> but no voice server to work with
2018-02-10 11:09 <Wanderer_42> Where can I find the setting to test this ?
2018-02-10 11:12 <Wanderer_42> in the config-include-dir is no file that contents "voice"
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2018-02-10 11:47 <Melanie_> There is a vivox module and a freeswitch module
2018-02-10 11:47 <Melanie_> they are normally disabled
2018-02-10 11:47 <Melanie_> they get turned on in opensim.ini
2018-02-10 12:30 <Ubit> shudown
2018-02-10 12:30 <Ubit> Oppps No No not you ppl
2018-02-10 12:33 <Ubit> well was a typo any way :p
2018-02-10 13:17 <smxy> lol
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2018-02-10 19:12 <Plugh> GIMP is switching to using gitlab for bug tracking instead of gnome.org? Um... ok. Why?
2018-02-10 19:37 <smxy> Um, ask the GIMP people? How should we know?
2018-02-10 19:59 <Plugh> smxy: many of the "GIMP people", as you refer, to them are here. 
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2018-02-10 20:13 <smxy> I meant the people who write and maintain GIMP. Are you saying that they are also people who hang out in this channel?
2018-02-10 20:42 <Tampa> I do not approve of gitlab
2018-02-10 20:45 <Tampa> I run a "amateur" operation by my own standards, gitlab is worse still
2018-02-10 21:01 <Plugh> d'oh. Wrong channel.  :D
2018-02-10 21:02 <Tampa> I just found a way to turn j2k into png using javascript
2018-02-10 21:02 <Tampa> doesnt work well
2018-02-10 21:02 <Tampa> but it doea
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2018-02-11 08:52 <poomuckl> hello, in the recent version there is no AllowedCompilers directive anymore. when i add it with "lsl,cs" and compile a //c# script in an object, it does nothing. is there something i need to know?
2018-02-11 09:06 <BillBlight> C# script needs MRM enabled
2018-02-11 09:07 <BillBlight> if I  am not mistaken
2018-02-11 09:07 <poomuckl> hmm.. wait, check that
2018-02-11 09:08 <BillBlight> but that may be wrong, personally never use C# in world
2018-02-11 09:08 <poomuckl> nope. in my old instance there is no MRM enabled and c# works
2018-02-11 09:08 <BillBlight> using master?
2018-02-11 09:08 <poomuckl> oh, it's good if you need to connect to other kind of servers
2018-02-11 09:09 <poomuckl> yes, using master. i enable some logging in CodeTools/Compiler.cs
2018-02-11 09:09 <poomuckl> lets see what i get there
2018-02-11 09:10 <BillBlight> May have to wait till Ubit is awake and ask him .. 
2018-02-11 09:12 <poomuckl> oh, do you have a usual time
2018-02-11 09:14 <BillBlight> Ubit is on UTC I think 
2018-02-11 09:14 <BillBlight> or GMT
2018-02-11 09:14 <poomuckl> maybe it's something very simple..
2018-02-11 09:14 <poomuckl> i also struggle with hypergrid behind a nat fw
2018-02-11 09:15 <poomuckl> i can jup out but not in :-(
2018-02-11 09:15 <poomuckl> jump
2018-02-11 09:15 <poomuckl> but this is another issue
2018-02-11 09:17 <BillBlight> well here is the commit , that he removed the option from the ini but not sure if he removed the actual option http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=8e3a50212c194472f2dbcacbeeb5caae3b90fff1
2018-02-11 09:17 <BillBlight> and that was about 8 months ago
2018-02-11 09:17 <poomuckl> i grepped the git log but obviously you found something
2018-02-11 09:17 <poomuckl> :-)
2018-02-11 09:18 <poomuckl> yepp.. ok. i readded them but somehow they don't get executed.
2018-02-11 09:19 <poomuckl> he's from portugal. nice.
2018-02-11 09:21 <BillBlight> I am wondering if he removed them because of changes to .NET
2018-02-11 09:21 <BillBlight> there are some new security bugs, and things that .NET allows or do not allow in newer .NET
2018-02-11 09:27 <poomuckl> didn't get that.
2018-02-11 09:27 <poomuckl> i use mono on a tinkerboard (armv7)
2018-02-11 09:28 <poomuckl> and i hate c#. but i need direct sockets in-world.
2018-02-11 09:29 <poomuckl> there are security bugs and thats why .NET changed what?
2018-02-11 09:30 <poomuckl> btw, thanks for you help.
2018-02-11 12:49 <BOAN[N]> little question what is TSE ?? 
2018-02-11 14:16 <velus> hello i have a script which shows the time but i need to have the time advance 3 hours it has llGetUnixTime()+"|"+IOlOl0+"|"+llList2String(lOO0IO,I00000));} to advance it 3 hours how would i alter it?
2018-02-11 15:28 <poomuckl> velus: why don't add 10800 seconds?
2018-02-11 15:28 <poomuckl> ubit, are you here?
2018-02-11 15:57 <velus> its ok i have fixed it now
2018-02-11 16:26 <poomuckl> fine
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2018-02-11 17:36 <Ubit> hi whats up ?
2018-02-11 17:36 <poomuckl> hey
2018-02-11 17:37 <Ubit> c# should work, i only did hide the option from files, since can be very nasty
2018-02-11 17:37 <Ubit> but long since i did test it
2018-02-11 17:37 <poomuckl> ok. the wayback machine is in question. can you remember what you didn on 31. aug 2016? i mean with the xengine?
2018-02-11 17:38 <Ubit> did not ( intencionally at least) disabled c# :)
2018-02-11 17:38 <poomuckl> nope, i tried the commits before this date and after this date and before it works and after it doesnt
2018-02-11 17:38 <Ubit> and no mrm (?) needed its a independent thing
2018-02-11 17:39 <Ubit> you did add the option to ini file ?
2018-02-11 17:39 <poomuckl> yes, i mean the cs script gets compiled but i don't get an output with a simple llSay(0, "bla");
2018-02-11 17:39 <poomuckl> no, no mrm.
2018-02-11 17:40 <poomuckl> i mean it worked before 31.8.2016 without mrm
2018-02-11 17:40 <poomuckl> and i don't think you changed that much, i mean, i can try with mrm enabled but.. wait i try
2018-02-11 17:41 <Ubit> AllowedCompilers=lsl,cs,vb
2018-02-11 17:42 <Ubit> and if compiles.. then.. well no idea :)
2018-02-11 17:43 <poomuckl> nope, mrm enabled with fulltrust...
2018-02-11 17:44 <poomuckl> something went wrong on this day (31.08.2016)
2018-02-11 17:49 <Ubit> well several changes around it yes
2018-02-11 17:50 <poomuckl> show scripts says it is running but even the touch isn't enabled
2018-02-11 17:53 <poomuckl> i'm so sorry i came that late.. but i had a break with opensim. now i wanted to update to head and thats what i found. it seems i'm the only one who uses this feature :-(
2018-02-11 17:53 <Ubit> not many do.. and should not
2018-02-11 17:54 <Ubit> unless on a very closed region
2018-02-11 17:54 <poomuckl> but it is an important feature
2018-02-11 17:55 <poomuckl> yepp. llke mine. i use it for IoT stuff in my home
2018-02-11 17:55 <poomuckl> .
2018-02-11 17:56 <poomuckl> it's the easiest way to setup tcp connections
2018-02-11 17:56 <Ubit> those changes should not had disable it
2018-02-11 17:57 <Ubit> what was the prev version you tested that worked?
2018-02-11 17:58 <poomuckl> the last good i tried was ed555801a4e91af69f4074b18bae4d851527fcc2
2018-02-11 17:58 <Ubit> have a date on that? :)
2018-02-11 17:59 <poomuckl> Mon Aug 29 19:41:26 2016 +0100. and the first i tried which didn't worked 2a0df340878db658beddd9f18083c7cdcdcf6500
2018-02-11 18:00 <poomuckl> between these commits is the error
2018-02-11 18:00 <poomuckl> Wed Aug 31 14:36:07 2016 +0100
2018-02-11 18:03 <poomuckl> you can try with the script from the opensim wiki: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Scripting_Languages
2018-02-11 18:03 <Ubit> alredy did :p
2018-02-11 18:04 <poomuckl> so it's verified? thats good to know
2018-02-11 18:04 <poomuckl> because i run on an armv7, which is a bit unusual
2018-02-11 18:05 <Ubit> rasp pi ?
2018-02-11 18:05 <poomuckl> no, tinkerboard (asus)
2018-02-11 18:05 <poomuckl> it has the same dimensions
2018-02-11 18:06 <poomuckl> just bit more mem and a bit faster
2018-02-11 18:17 <Ubit> ok think i see something
2018-02-11 18:18 <poomuckl> yay! i have no clue how scripts get launched or so
2018-02-11 18:27 <Ubit> coff coff coff
2018-02-11 18:28 <Ubit> :p
2018-02-11 18:28 <Ubit> can  you test this?
2018-02-11 18:28 <poomuckl> sure!
2018-02-11 18:28 <poomuckl> one sec
2018-02-11 18:28 <Ubit> well it was fast on compile c# :p
2018-02-11 18:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #5859 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-02-11 18:30 <poomuckl> is this a good or a bad fix?
2018-02-11 18:30 <Ubit> u tell me :p
2018-02-11 18:31 <poomuckl> well, needs 107 seconds to compile
2018-02-11 18:31 <Ubit> well bad bc no one should use c# on our script engine :p
2018-02-11 18:31 <poomuckl> i mean, does it break something else? performance?
2018-02-11 18:32 <Ubit> nopes.. i was kidding
2018-02-11 18:32 <Ubit> a empty source does compile fast :p
2018-02-11 18:32 <poomuckl> but there are reasons. i'm very flexible with cs scripts
2018-02-11 18:32 <poomuckl> yeah! works!
2018-02-11 18:33 <poomuckl> you know your shit :-)
2018-02-11 18:33 <Ubit> yeap but script should be limited 
2018-02-11 18:33 <Ubit> and it is not
2018-02-11 18:33 <Ubit> ie what you can do with them
2018-02-11 18:33 <poomuckl> it's not for the public. it's just for family and friends
2018-02-11 18:34 <Ubit> well thats why i did not removed it back then..
2018-02-11 18:34 <Ubit> there can be rare use cases
2018-02-11 18:34 <Ubit> so.. ok..
2018-02-11 18:35 <poomuckl> thank you very much, sir
2018-02-11 18:35 <Ubit> others are using c# as script, but do run it on a very limited mono under c++
2018-02-11 18:35 <Ubit> does it work ?
2018-02-11 18:35 <Ubit> [10:31] Object: This is an incredibly useless program
2018-02-11 18:35 <Ubit> it does for me :)
2018-02-11 18:36 <poomuckl> my first cs script was, to trigger fluid synth, a soundfont2 player for linux.
2018-02-11 18:36 <poomuckl> oh, yes. i told you. it's working pretty well. head version
2018-02-11 18:36 <Ubit> was a silly bug sorry
2018-02-11 18:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5859: SUCCESS in 9 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5859/
2018-02-11 18:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Oops... don't leave script source out of compilation in same cases
2018-02-11 18:37 <Ubit> i saved a potencial large string copy...
2018-02-11 18:37 <Ubit> but fixed it for lsl :p
2018-02-11 18:37 <poomuckl> was it this retstr += thing?
2018-02-11 18:37 <Ubit> no thats lsl only
2018-02-11 18:38 <poomuckl> ah, ok. 
2018-02-11 18:38 <Ubit> see the commit diff
2018-02-11 18:38 <poomuckl> oh, and isn't there a GrandCS = UUID ?
2018-02-11 18:39 <poomuckl> i mean in [Startup], which limit the users who can run cs scripts?
2018-02-11 18:39 <Ubit> dont remember
2018-02-11 18:40 <poomuckl> maybe not..
2018-02-11 18:40 <poomuckl> anyway. thank you so much.
2018-02-11 18:41 <Ubit> well it was my bug :)
2018-02-11 18:41 <poomuckl> i hope, there will be a webgl interface for opensim soon
2018-02-11 18:41 <Ubit>  if (m_scriptEngine.World.Permissions.CanCompileScript(ownerUUID, (int)language) == false)
2018-02-11 18:41 <Ubit> yes there is a check
2018-02-11 18:42 <poomuckl> but only those who don't do something don
2018-02-11 18:42 <poomuckl> 't make mistakes
2018-02-11 18:42 <Ubit> but nahh seems local permissions only
2018-02-11 18:42 <Ubit> let me dig a bit more
2018-02-11 18:43 <Ubit> yeap does check uuids
2018-02-11 18:43 <poomuckl> ./OpenSim/Region/CoreModules/World/Permissions/PermissionsModule.cs
2018-02-11 18:43 <Ubit> yeap
2018-02-11 18:43 <Ubit>  grant = Util.GetConfigVarFromSections<string>(config, "GrantCS",
2018-02-11 18:43 <Ubit>                 new string[] { "Startup", "Permissions" }, string.Empty);
2018-02-11 18:44 <Ubit> guess comma sep uuids
2018-02-11 18:44 <poomuckl> yes
2018-02-11 18:45 <poomuckl> it's a little protection here :-)
2018-02-11 18:45 <Ubit> yeap
2018-02-11 18:45 <poomuckl> i should find out how to setup https instead of http
2018-02-11 18:46 <poomuckl> this is maybe the bigger flaw.
2018-02-11 18:46 <Ubit> not as bad as a script that can delete the disk :p
2018-02-11 18:47 <poomuckl> not with linux in a fakeroot environment
2018-02-11 18:47 <Ubit> can still deleted things 
2018-02-11 18:48 <poomuckl> yes. only the fakeroot downward
2018-02-11 18:48 <poomuckl> but thats ok. for family & friends.
2018-02-11 18:48 <Ubit> yeah thats why still there :)
2018-02-11 18:48 <poomuckl> they can toggle my blinds up & down in the night
2018-02-11 18:49 <Ubit> lazy.. move yr ass and do it yr self :p
2018-02-11 18:50 <poomuckl> yeah, i can do it manual too
2018-02-11 18:50 <poomuckl> but it's more fun if they change my music in the morning.
2018-02-11 18:51 <poomuckl> well.. it's all fun. but i still hope for a webgl interface...
2018-02-11 18:57 <poomuckl> i owe you a beer.
2018-02-11 18:57 <Ubit> :)
2018-02-11 18:57 <poomuckl> ok, a six pack.
2018-02-11 18:58 <poomuckl> now i'm off. good night to pt!
2018-02-11 18:58 <Ubit> have fun
2018-02-11 18:58 <poomuckl> you too
2018-02-11 20:02 <Ubit> nahh ICannotDolT
2018-02-11 21:37 <Ubit> so funny this cpus clock things
2018-02-11 21:37 <Ubit> if i minimize FS, cpu clock goes to 3.6Ghz
2018-02-11 21:38 <Ubit> if activate it, cloch goes down to 3.3GHz
2018-02-11 21:38 <Ubit> clock
2018-02-11 21:38 <Tampa> thermals?
2018-02-11 21:38 <Ubit> its i7 and intel thing..
2018-02-11 21:38 <Ubit> the more you use, the slower it runs
2018-02-11 21:39 <Ubit> and yes its thermal related thing
2018-02-11 21:39 <Tampa> I have turboboost disabled, fixed to 4.5ghz
2018-02-11 21:39 <Ubit> duplicated a prim with a heavy script, clock 3.2 lol
2018-02-11 21:40 <Tampa> Cool it off with some water, that'll help
2018-02-11 21:40 <Ubit> part is hardcoded.. it does not read temp to do it
2018-02-11 21:41 <Ubit> ( temp takes time to reach sensors )
2018-02-11 21:41 <Ubit> cook 3G now
2018-02-11 21:41 <Ubit> lol
2018-02-11 21:41 <Ubit> oops i meant cool
2018-02-11 21:42 <Ubit> well i knew this..  just never looked to it on taskmanager
2018-02-11 21:42 <Ubit> whne not needed they are fast..
2018-02-11 21:43 <Ubit> slower when needed :)
2018-02-11 21:43 <Tampa> Likely a trick to make it seem more "responsive"
2018-02-11 21:43 <Ubit> well this is a old i7 now
2018-02-11 21:43 <Ubit> possible things are dif now
2018-02-11 21:44 <Ubit> its a trick to sell :p
2018-02-11 21:45 <Ubit> sell as 3.5g when under 50% load it is actually a 3G cpu
2018-02-11 21:45 <Tampa> like cars
2018-02-11 21:45 <Ubit> yeap
2018-02-11 21:45 <Ubit> marketing crap rules
2018-02-11 21:46 <Ubit> and cars pub is only about the girls .. not the car :p
2018-02-11 21:46 <Tampa> all about them emissions tests....
2018-02-11 21:46 <Ubit> no idea why they bother showing the car on the comercials :p
2018-02-11 21:47 <Tampa> they all look the same anyways
2018-02-11 21:47 <Ubit> well ppl today also dont buy cars by the specs..
2018-02-11 21:48 <Ubit> that in same cases you can't even find
2018-02-11 21:48 <Ubit> but the car does have usb plug !!!
2018-02-11 21:48 <Tampa> car likely has a computer with more ghz in it hehe
2018-02-11 21:49 <Ubit> guess they use arms
2018-02-11 21:49 <Ubit> and only the console one is fast
2018-02-11 21:50 <Ubit> rest speed is not the criteria..  reliabilty is
2018-02-11 21:52 <Ubit> stopped region and fs, 3.7Ghz lol
2018-02-11 21:54 <Ubit> hmm win10 does use the fake cores..  win7 didn't
2018-02-11 21:54 <Ubit> at least until a certain load
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2018-02-12 11:28 <acryline> hi
2018-02-12 11:30 <acryline> Is there a problem with meshes and the new version of Firestorm? If this is the case I have a track, I corrected the meshes of one of my regions.
2018-02-12 11:31 <acryline> Thea problem is that I'm not English-speaking and if I have to explain myself, it's not going to be easy.
2018-02-12 11:31 <Ubit> new fs does not show meshes that have issues
2018-02-12 11:31 <Ubit> there is a option on it to disable that
2018-02-12 11:32 <Ubit> but well they are bad meshes anyway
2018-02-12 11:32 <acryline> Where is this option ?
2018-02-12 11:32 <Ubit> on its debug settings
2018-02-12 11:33 <Ubit> i don't remember the name
2018-02-12 11:34 <acryline> I user the wiki tutorial to correctly import my meshes but they remain invisible with the new fs. 
2018-02-12 11:34 <Ubit> some times its FS who does upload broken meshs without warning
2018-02-12 11:34 <Ubit> but find that setting to check
2018-02-12 11:35 <acryline> ok
2018-02-12 11:35 <Ubit> using analyse on physics tab does increase the chances of that, since its a complex thing
2018-02-12 11:37 <acryline> I modified tue meshes in the database (two fields) and it solves the problem. 
2018-02-12 11:39 <acryline> ProfileCurve and PathCurve
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2018-02-15 04:59 <djphil> Hmmm why if i change terrain texture by script (osSetTerrainTexture) that reset the sun position :o
2018-02-15 05:24 <Plugh> If that is happening you should file a mantis.
2018-02-15 05:25 <nebadon> might be because its serialized together
2018-02-15 05:25 <nebadon> that may be tough to fix
2018-02-15 05:33 <osmantis> Bug #8289:04 [TERRAIN TEXTURE] Set terrain texture by script reset sun position 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8289 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2018-02-15 05:33 <djphil> Done :) ty!
2018-02-15 05:35 <BillBlight> That has always been that way, when the scene updates it resetes back to the region settings, if you have your sun forced to NOT estate time, when you update the terrain it resets back to estate time ... Been that way forever.
2018-02-15 05:35 <djphil> Well, that's not good ...
2018-02-15 05:36 <BillBlight> Does the same thing In SL if change via the dialog
2018-02-15 05:36 <BillBlight> and in OS
2018-02-15 05:37 <djphil> So what ... :p SL isn't perfect
2018-02-15 05:38 <Hiro_> I want to make my own world lol
2018-02-15 05:38 <BillBlight> No it isn't but somethings just don't need to be screwed with and break a dozen others ... :P
2018-02-15 05:39 <Hiro_> Is there a full manual of all libraries 
2018-02-15 05:40 <djphil> Exactly Bill, he is currently breaking ...
2018-02-15 05:41 <BillBlight> djphil, I'm pretty sure that is simply a viewer function, because changing the terrain texture, is part of the scene update, and when you change terrain , either by script or by dialog, it issues a full resend of the scene.
2018-02-15 05:42 <BillBlight> But at the same time, it also allows you to send people environment settings, so they get what you want them to see ..
2018-02-15 05:42 <djphil> Yes I think one day I was explained that. But hey, it would be nice to improve that I find ...
2018-02-15 05:43 <BillBlight> If you break sending scene updates in that fashion, willing to bet it breaks windlight
2018-02-15 05:43 <djphil> i say "improve", not "break"
2018-02-15 05:44 <BillBlight> I'd rather have the full scene get sent and know they got it, rather than try and send part of it and hope they get it
2018-02-15 05:45 <BillBlight> and besides, I doubt this can "really" be changed on the OS side, betting it would have to be changed in the viewers, 
2018-02-15 05:46 <BillBlight> I'd almost bet money that if the viewers see a terrain texture change, they ask for the whole environment settings
2018-02-15 05:46 <nebadon> I think its because all that parcel/estate data is serialized together
2018-02-15 05:47 <nebadon> you cant selectively send just one to the viewer
2018-02-15 05:47 <BillBlight> ^^
2018-02-15 05:47 <nebadon> so it when you change one of them it updates them all
2018-02-15 05:47 <djphil> It may have been poorly designed for the beginning ...
2018-02-15 05:47 <nebadon> yes
2018-02-15 05:47 <nebadon> it was never meant to be changed via script :)
2018-02-15 05:48 <BillBlight> Oh I agree djphil, not the best plan from the beginning, but at the same time, I think it would need viewer support also, for this to work differently
2018-02-15 05:49 <djphil> So now the idea is launched :)
2018-02-15 05:49 <BillBlight> so .. You would need to also open tickets with all the viewers to request they accept this data individually  ..
2018-02-15 05:50 <djphil> Yeap i think so
2018-02-15 05:50 <BillBlight> As nebadon said, it is sent all at once, so a change , any change as far as the viewer is concerned, causes the whole thing to reload
2018-02-15 05:51 <BillBlight> so  until a viewer team agrees to accept that data, no since breaking it on this end .. :)
2018-02-15 05:54 <djphil> Hehe now OS wiki have terrain texture exemple script (update) :)
2018-02-15 06:05 <osmantis> Bug #8289:04 [TERRAIN TEXTURE] Set terrain texture by script reset sun position 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8289 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2018-02-15 06:05 <osmantis> Bug #8289:04 [TERRAIN TEXTURE] Set terrain texture by script reset sun position 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8289 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2018-02-15 10:11 <osmantis> Bug #8272:04 PGSQL Standalone: relation "estate_map" does not exist.. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8272 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-15 10:15 <osmantis> Bug #8221:04 Standalone PGSQL  "estate_map"  database not created... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8221 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-15 10:52 <osmantis> Bug #8188:04 "Error while parsing element...."  with iar backup (grid modes) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8188 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-15 12:50 <Tampa> Messing around with the ossl functions for sun position, just as a side note btw, you can actually completely disconnect time from that position. The scripts will tell you its night while the viewer sees the estate sun as noon. Goes away after a reboot, but its interesting, messing with these things
2018-02-15 12:50 <Tampa> can actually "break" them in a sense.
2018-02-15 12:51 <Tampa> It would appear that the sun position the script engine sees and the one that is sent to the viewer may get out of sync if you mess with them in just the right way :D
2018-02-15 12:52 <osmantis> Bug #8290:04 PGSQL: "operator does not exist: character varying = uuid" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8290 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-02-15 12:54 <BillBlight> Tampa, I think that kind of falls under the , "You break it, you bought it." rule ... LOL
2018-02-15 12:54 <Tampa> Just kinda interesting how thats disconnected in a way
2018-02-15 12:55 <BillBlight> I wonder if you let it set long enough without the script telling it to reset, if it will sync back up ..
2018-02-15 12:56 <BillBlight> Doesn't the sun position only update like every 15 minutes or something like that
2018-02-15 13:05 <osmantis> Bug #8290:04 PGSQL: "operator does not exist: character varying = uuid" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8290 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-15 14:58 <osmantis> Bug #8290:04 PGSQL: "operator does not exist: character varying = uuid" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8290 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-15 21:47 <djphil> Hello, anyone know where i can get link to OpenSim reference viewer ?
2018-02-15 21:47 <djphil> She asks me here : https://jira.phoenixviewer.com/browse/FIRE-22305
2018-02-15 21:50 <djphil> Let's hope for a solution in perspective ... :)
2018-02-15 22:15 <Ubit> that is her answer to all opensim related issues
2018-02-15 22:16 <Ubit> ie she doesn't care
2018-02-15 22:17 <djphil> Hmmm :s
2018-02-15 22:18 <Ubit> ill look to that
2018-02-15 22:18 <Ubit> we do send full estate data, including hour
2018-02-15 22:18 <djphil> that cool
2018-02-15 22:19 <Ubit> and don't think we do update hour .. not sure if we can
2018-02-15 22:19 <djphil> today i try a "vise versa"
2018-02-15 22:19 <Ubit> and on top of that it possible viewer do reset it anyway
2018-02-15 22:20 <djphil> i play with ossetregionssun and set estate sun ... it work proprely
2018-02-15 22:20 <Ubit> guess its workaround..
2018-02-15 22:20 <djphil> i mean if i change sun setting, that not reset terain textures lol
2018-02-15 22:21 <Ubit> some do sent all stuff
2018-02-15 22:21 <djphil> ... :)
2018-02-15 22:21 <Ubit> well ill look one day ;)
2018-02-15 22:22 <djphil> :)
2018-02-15 22:32 <Plugh> If the sun time is sent at the same time as the terrain update information then the sun time that is sent needs to be the regions current sun time. If the sun time isn't sent as part of the update It may not be possible to do much about it. If it is sent and the viewer is ignoring the received sun time that would seem to be a bug in the viewer.
2018-02-15 22:32 <Plugh> Time for a walk before dinner time.
2018-02-15 22:40 <Ubit> plugh does eat a lot no?
2018-02-15 22:40 <Ubit> :)
2018-02-15 22:40 <Ubit> and usually after telling something here :)
2018-02-15 22:44 <djphil> In order to preserve his athletic body, he goes for a walk before dinner :)
2018-02-15 23:29 <BillBlight> yes djphil, but the run settings will get you out of sync with the actual time, they are net sending actual updates, they are "faking it" just as Tampa said if you use a script to see if the region thinks it is night or day, you can set the sun to noon via a script but the region still thinks it is night
2018-02-15 23:31 <BillBlight> if I am not mistaken the os functions to control time send info to the viewer in the same fashion as "override estate time" so it is entirely viewer side, terrain cannot be just viewer side.
2018-02-15 23:32 <Ubit> there is a sun module sending time
2018-02-15 23:33 <Ubit> no idea if this viewers still care, etc
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2018-02-16 01:38 <Tampa> debug http all 6, run a single function e.g. ossetterraintexture, fetch the http data sent back and forth, likely contains the entire estate settings data or at least enough to change sun angle, likely that the module needs to retrieve the current sun angle instead of sending an empty one.
2018-02-16 01:38 <Tampa> This would not be the first of this kind of "malformed" reply being sent
2018-02-16 04:39 <djphil> after using osSetEstateSunSettings or osSetRegionSunSettings, changing texture by script work fine (without reset sun position).
2018-02-16 04:43 <BillBlight> that is because you have unsynced the region from the server .. willing to bet it stays unsynced
2018-02-16 04:55 <Tampa> There is a "ScriptEngine Sun" and a "Visual Sun" and they may be different if you start playing with either. After a restart they should be synced, but any changes via script you may find you end up only editing the "ScriptEngine Sun" and the "Visual Sun" stops obeying those changes. Same goes if
2018-02-16 04:55 <Tampa> you mess with Windlight the "Visual Sun" may no longer represent what the region actually thinks the sun position is.
2018-02-16 04:58 <Tampa> The problem at hand though is more a case of OpenSim sends an empty parameter to the Viewer thinking it will be ignored, instead the Viewer honors said parameter and sets the sun accordingly. Whether this is viewer or OpenSim is up to question, but OpenSim certainly may be the easier side to fix
2018-02-16 04:58 <Tampa> seeing as viewer devs, especially FS tend to not really want to work on OpenSim specific problems.
2018-02-16 17:19 <foto50> Hi there :) someone active?
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2018-02-16 23:52 <velus> hello if im doing an lsl that will get the profile pic of a user can this be done via http
2018-02-16 23:53 <velus> i.e http://gridname.tld:8002/profile-pic-uuid.jpg or something like that
2018-02-16 23:58 <BillBlight> Velus , you can grab the uuid of their profile pic with a php query based on the uuid of thier avatar
2018-02-16 23:59 <Marco_D> http://opensimworld.com/library?viewcode=26
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2018-02-17 07:34 <osmantis> Bug #8291:04 Add ability for banning via mac address 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8291 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-02-17 07:34 <osmantis> Bug #8291:04 Add ability for banning via mac address 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8291 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2018-02-17 17:01 <Cody_> I have a question,what is the purpose of the "excuses" file in bin/
2018-02-17 17:02 <Ubit> CPU radiator broken lol
2018-02-17 17:03 <Ubit> Packet held up at customs
2018-02-17 17:03 <Ubit> at least are funny :)
2018-02-17 17:04 <Ubit> seems its usd by pcampbot
2018-02-17 17:05 <Ubit> used..
2018-02-17 17:05 <Ubit> so they say those silly things
2018-02-17 17:05 <Ubit> ( to stress say etc etc )
2018-02-17 17:12 <Cody_> ok, thank you!
2018-02-17 20:30 <osmantis> Bug #8291:04 Add ability for banning via mac address 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8291 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-17 23:35 <osmantis> Bug #8292:04 terrain load-tile and save-tile fail with varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8292 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-02-17 23:41 <osmantis> Bug #8292:04 terrain load-tile and save-tile fail with varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8292 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-17 23:51 <osmantis> Bug #8291:04 Add ability for banning via mac address 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8291 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-18 00:24 <osmantis> Bug #8292:04 terrain load-tile and save-tile fail with varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8292 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-18 00:31 <osmantis> Bug #8292:04 terrain load-tile and save-tile fail with varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8292 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2018-02-18 01:04 <osmantis> Bug #8292:04 terrain load-tile and save-tile fail with varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8292 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-18 01:09 <osmantis> Bug #8292:04 terrain load-tile and save-tile fail with varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8292 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-18 02:25 <osmantis> Bug #8292:04 terrain load-tile and save-tile fail with varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8292 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-18 02:28 <osmantis> Bug #8292:04 terrain load-tile and save-tile fail with varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8292 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-18 02:35 <osmantis> Bug #8292:04 terrain load-tile and save-tile fail with varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8292 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-18 02:53 <osmantis> Bug #8292:04 terrain load-tile and save-tile fail with varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8292 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-18 14:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #5860 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-02-18 14:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5860: SUCCESS in 9 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5860/
2018-02-18 14:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: COmment out relocation of tmp cs source file during compilation. This seems to cause issues on same win servers, and is only usefull on deep scripts debug (Xengine compiler)
2018-02-18 21:41 <velus> hello all, i know in lsl in second life you can comunicate with a script via web url http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LSL_http_server/examples/utility_script is this possible in opensim?
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2018-02-18 21:48 <BillBlight> this is very possible, and there are a bunch of scripts floating around for it, but for it to work you need to make sure that in your network section you have ExternalHostNameForLSL=<yourhostnamehere>
2018-02-18 21:50 <velus> ok thanks, i may need an lsl scripter that will help with a project
2018-02-18 21:57 <velus> so if i was to contact a script would i do http://gridname.com:8002?8003/{script-uuid}?
2018-02-18 21:58 <Hollow> I thought it was you get the scripts object a url assigned via inworld?
2018-02-18 22:01 <djphil> @velus: you need to request a url with this function first
2018-02-18 22:01 <djphil> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlRequestURL
2018-02-18 22:02 <djphil> after, send this url to php ... and php can return response by this url
2018-02-18 22:03 <BillBlight> right and the port will be the port that , that region is running on
2018-02-18 22:03 <BillBlight> if I am not mistaken
2018-02-18 22:05 <smxy> Has anyone else reported that Vivox has stopped working. It seems dead for my grid, now.
2018-02-18 22:05 <smxy> It can't connect to their servers.
2018-02-18 22:06 <BillBlight> My grid is totally screwed right now, but was working last night when I was testing
2018-02-18 22:06 <djphil> right, port is region port
2018-02-18 22:07 <smxy> BillBlight: Was that a reply to me?
2018-02-18 22:08 <BillBlight> yes smxy sorry
2018-02-18 22:08 <smxy> Okay. Then perhaps they're just having a maintenance period. I'll give it some time and see ifit comes back.
2018-02-18 22:13 <velus> its working on tranquility grid atm
2018-02-18 22:15 <velus> is there a way that a web server can just call the script, for example if i want to push some data to a script say for a board that changes infomation when something happens can it just send a messagte to the script? 
2018-02-18 22:16 <BillBlight> yes that is what this is for, but you have to generate the rquest url from in world first and give it to the PHP, and if you change the object, such as copy it, you need to generate a new request url
2018-02-18 22:17 <djphil> php need only to know the uuid of the requested url
2018-02-18 22:17 <djphil> if we consider that you already know the base url and the port :)
2018-02-18 22:22 <djphil> the lsl http server url is somethink link that: http://server.com:9000/lslhttp/27e8bf81-7ac2-4491-a2ab-643bcacbda85/
2018-02-18 22:22 <djphil> if you know the uuid, you can comunicate :)
2018-02-18 22:45 <BillBlight> ^^ what he said .. Just remember if you make a copy it will have a new uuid, or if you move it to a different region it will have a different port and possibly a different uuid
2018-02-18 23:33 <velus> ok so then put in a when rezed/region restart send it again
2018-02-18 23:44 <BillBlight> if you wanted to be really crafty, you could have it post it's url to a database via a http post, so anytime you rez a new one it sends it's url / region / location to the db and you could access them from there
2018-02-19 04:39 <velus> BillBlight, thats what i was thinking of doing but i will need help with the lsl script
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2018-02-19 09:21 <osmantis> Bug #8295:04 Future Aspects of Network Engineers in Telecommunications 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8295 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-02-19 10:38 <osmantis> Bug #8296:04 FIELD SERVICE WORKFORCE WITH FIELD ENGINEER PLATFORM 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8296 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-02-19 10:40 <osmantis> Bug #8297:04 Telecom Field Engineer work force and Its benefits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8297 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2018-02-19 12:07 <osmantis> Bug #8295:04 Future Aspects of Network Engineers in Telecommunications 14(  ): has been DELETED.
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2018-02-20 00:14 <osmantis> Bug #8292:04 terrain load-tile and save-tile fail with varregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8292 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-20 01:11 <velus> hey just a general question here, im creating a lsl script that will go to and from a webserver, and want to be able to have the product coppied and rezed on a land in the grid anywhere but i want a way to have each script have a unique id when coppied, i need a way to have when a script is rezed it will then set a constant token id in a var, but everytime someone rezzies it andf copies the item it will create a new token id, but 
2018-02-20 01:11 <velus> if the region restarts and so forth and it is left on the land it will keep the same token how would i dso this?
2018-02-20 01:49 <Plugh> Use the X-SecondLife-Object-Key header that is passed in the HTTP call to the webserver.
2018-02-20 01:49 <Plugh> That is the key of the object containing the script 
2018-02-20 01:53 <Plugh> Hey, dan.
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2018-02-20 09:21 <Tampa> So if a login takes longer than 2 minutes, robust decides to put in 5 or more entries in presence with different sessionids, why?
2018-02-20 09:23 <BillBlight> This happens with FS but does not seem to happen with Singu, FS retries too quick ,but if your login is taking 2 minutes you have other issues
2018-02-20 11:18 <Ubit> FS as several broken retries on http
2018-02-20 11:19 <Ubit> groups operations is a case...
2018-02-20 11:19 <Ubit> i did report that when i tried to talk with them.. they ginored, failing to see it was also a sl issue
2018-02-20 11:20 <Ubit> on some groups it always fires bursts of 3 or more repeaded operations... 1ms apart
2018-02-20 11:20 <Ubit> etc
2018-02-20 11:21 <Ubit> and retries on http with the previus try still open?
2018-02-20 11:21 <Ubit> baddd
2018-02-20 11:21 <Ubit> well why any retry on http even...
2018-02-20 11:21 <Ubit> just broken crap
2018-02-20 11:23 <Ubit> you should had seen also the crap it did ( hope no longer) when you just moved the mouse over terrain
2018-02-20 11:24 <Ubit> yes.. ignored by that clever ansariel
2018-02-20 11:36 <Tampa> Hence why I cannot wait for SL to finally die, maybe then they'll realise that it is not a sustainable platform anymore, here is hope anyways...
2018-02-20 21:44 <velus> hey can someone help me with a script please i need to loop fullbright on and off i have one that turns light on and off but when i put in fullbright i get nothing
2018-02-20 21:58 <BillBlight> look at llSetPrimitiveParamsFast or llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast
2018-02-20 23:08 <Ubit> don't take that ..Fast very literaly :p
2018-02-20 23:09 <BillBlight> ^^
2018-02-20 23:10 <BillBlight> all the fast does is skip a 20ms delay
2018-02-20 23:10 <Ubit> think its a bit more 200 possible
2018-02-20 23:11 <BillBlight> yeah I meant 200ms
2018-02-20 23:11 <BillBlight> not 20
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2018-02-21 14:43 <Ubit> lol fs deleted me a prim :)
2018-02-21 14:44 <Ubit> with a parameter it did allow to set
2018-02-21 14:45 <Ubit> da,, what was the option name?
2018-02-21 14:46 <Ubit> FSEnforceStrictObjectCheck
2018-02-21 14:46 <Ubit> the damm thing should call it BEFORE sending a parameter to server
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2018-02-22 02:54 <Ubit> hmm seems jenkis is dead
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2018-02-22 15:06 <Ubit> :)
2018-02-22 15:07 <Ubit> well i dont know why i smile jenkis hates me :)
2018-02-22 15:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #5861 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-02-22 15:10 <Ubit> uff there it goes going to kick me...
2018-02-22 15:11 <Ubit> :)
2018-02-22 15:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5861: SUCCESS in 9 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5861/
2018-02-22 15:16 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  fix a old issue on some tortured prims number of sides, and so textures set
2018-02-22 15:16 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  a few more changes on tortured prims number of sides/faces
2018-02-22 15:16 <Ubit> :)
2018-02-22 16:32 <Plugh> I'm trying to do an HG TP. The teleport fails with the message "The grid's Home URI has changed.". Is that the Home URI of the source or destination which has changed?
2018-02-22 16:45 <Plugh> The console of the region where I'm initiating the HG TP says: Teleport of Andrew Hellershanks from First Contact to Wright Plaza was refused because
2018-02-22 16:46 <Plugh> It has truncated the message after "because", there is a code error causing the error to not be shown, or the error string is an empty string.
2018-02-22 16:49 <Plugh> The error string does have {3} after because so the reason string appears to be an empty one.
2018-02-22 16:50 <Plugh> The CreateAgent() call is failing.
2018-02-22 16:58 <Tampa> Tried flushing your dns cache?
2018-02-22 17:06 <Plugh> I don't have a local DNS cache
2018-02-22 18:44 <Plugh> I can HG TP in to the grid but not out.
2018-02-22 20:33 <osmantis> Bug #8290:04 PGSQL: "operator does not exist: character varying = uuid" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8290 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2018-02-23 14:59 <Ubit> and yes i know, my imagination from names is bad :p
2018-02-23 14:59 <Ubit> for..
2018-02-23 16:07 <paela> Y ? lol
2018-02-23 16:09 <Ubit> i said my imagination for names is bad :p
2018-02-23 16:09 <paela> :p
2018-02-23 16:10 <paela> you have other chance with z after is finish haha
2018-02-23 16:10 <Ubit> of course not ubEngine bc its mostly melanie and Mike work of course :p
2018-02-23 16:10 <Ubit> yeap :)
2018-02-23 16:10 <paela> MMengine :D
2018-02-23 16:11 <Ubit> guess xMR is already that  mel can tell
2018-02-23 16:11 <Melanie_T> well, YEngine means we can only have one more, ZEngine, then the metaverse implodes
2018-02-23 16:12 <Ubit> :)
2018-02-23 16:13 <paela> :p
2018-02-23 16:25 <Ubit> if u can recheck those fails on Y scripts edition you did noticed paela
2018-02-23 16:25 <Ubit> and/or when you can.
2018-02-23 16:26 <paela> well i can look tormorrow for now i work in a other soft today for a friend -)
2018-02-23 16:26 <Ubit> ty
2018-02-23 16:26 <Ubit> think i did fix a issue i was having
2018-02-23 16:26 <paela> oki, ty ;)
2018-02-23 16:27 <Ubit> but only on script errors like a missing ;
2018-02-23 16:28 <paela> i h
2018-02-23 16:28 <paela> i upgrade httptest linux tomorrow in osgrid
2018-02-23 16:40 <Plugh> You found a problem with the new scripting engine?
2018-02-23 16:41 <Ubit> no surprise at all.. it is NEW on 0.91 framework
2018-02-23 16:42 <Ubit> tagged EXPERIMENTAL even, remember?
2018-02-23 16:58 <Ubit> <paela> i upgrade httptest linux tomorrow in osgrid
2018-02-23 16:58 <Ubit> <Plugh> You found a problem with the new scripting engine?
2018-02-23 16:58 <Ubit> uff
2018-02-23 16:58 <Plugh> Good to know someone is trying it out. 
2018-02-23 16:58 <Ubit> yeap
2018-02-23 16:59 <Ubit> a few are
2018-02-23 17:00 <Ubit> aren't you? :p
2018-02-23 17:01 <paela> well the first version of xmr are just very sick in all case tommorow i try it
2018-02-23 17:02 <Ubit> i only did notice that issue on errors
2018-02-23 17:02 <Ubit> well i know more issues. just not that obvius :p
2018-02-23 17:04 <Ubit> at least for someone like me that can't type a script without several typos :p
2018-02-23 17:04 <paela> lol
2018-02-23 17:05 <paela> the must problem have see is 12 minutes for save a script change in the viewer ( applied ) with opensuse and mono 5.8
2018-02-23 17:06 <Ubit> didn't not seen that 
2018-02-23 17:06 <Ubit> did not.. ( see typos :p )
2018-02-23 17:07 <Ubit> think bill also had not seen that
2018-02-23 21:12 <osmantis> Bug #8298:04 Some tables are not created in MySQL storage configuration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8298 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-02-23 21:21 <Ubit> nice a breakinf dif btw mariaDB and mysql
2018-02-23 21:21 <Ubit> grr
2018-02-23 22:27 <Ubit> hmm
2018-02-23 22:52 <osmantis> Bug #8298:04 Some tables are not created in MySQL storage configuration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8298 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-23 23:02 <osmantis> Bug #8298:04 Some tables are not created in MySQL storage configuration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8298 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-02-23 23:04 <osmantis> Bug #8298:04 Some tables are not created in MySQL storage configuration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8298 ): has been UPDATED.
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2018-02-25 03:51 <Tampa> OpenSim now partner with Toyota it seems
2018-02-25 04:02 <Ubit> ok, what have u been drinking? :p
2018-02-25 04:20 <BillBlight> Opensim can partner with Toyota all they want, because this project is actually OpenSimulator .. Opensim is an entirely different software
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2018-02-27 16:37 <Plugh> IIRC, OS maintains the list of prims in a linkset as a linked list. Is the first entry always the root prim?
2018-02-27 16:44 <Ubit> it should, but not sure all code does ensure it
2018-02-27 16:44 <Ubit> and is it a linked list or a list?
2018-02-27 16:45 <Ubit> don't remember :)
2018-02-27 16:45 <Ubit> linked makes some sense
2018-02-27 16:59 <Plugh> Last time I looked at the SOG code to see how (un)linking was done I saw it copying items from one list to another. That makes me think it is a linked list. I'll look later.
2018-02-27 17:33 <Plugh> Hm... I'm sure BlackDuck showed me as being involved in 15 projects. Now it shows 14. They may have messed up their stats again.
2018-02-27 17:34 <Plugh> I've seen them sort of drop a project in the past.
2018-02-27 17:37 <Plugh> yea, they miscounted.
2018-02-27 19:02 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid.
2018-02-27 20:10 <Plugh> SL sent out a message with the subject line of "Unscheduled DDoS". I didn't know you could schedule such a thing. :)
2018-02-27 20:12 <Priestov> )))
2018-02-27 20:12 <Priestov> heh)
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2018-03-02 02:07 <andsim> anyonknow why group notices is not send to offline php message ?
2018-03-02 02:34 <andsim> do have php code
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2018-03-02 09:59 <andsim> anyone know why group notices is not send to offline php message ? i do have php code
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2018-03-03 11:26 <andsim> anyone know why group notices is not send to offline php message ? i do have php code\
2018-03-03 15:08 <Melanie_> andsim: sending to offline members isn't included because of the load it produces. There may be an option to enable it
2018-03-03 20:33 <andsim> Melanie_ ok i know it was working back then like in 2014-2015
2018-03-03 20:34 <Melanie_> yes, that was with xmlrpc groups
2018-03-03 20:34 <Melanie_> groupsv2 don't support it 
2018-03-03 20:35 <andsim> ah u meant builtin groups to robust?
2018-03-03 20:36 <Melanie_> yes
2018-03-03 20:37 <andsim> soo what i do this work
2018-03-03 20:53 <Plugh> andsim: The database tables for the PHP and v2 version of groups are mostly compatible except for how attachments to group notices are handle.d
2018-03-03 22:35 <andsim> yea kevin told me
2018-03-03 22:36 <andsim> why there no offline notices on groupsv2
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2018-03-04 04:42 <osmantis> Bug #8299:04 [PATCH] Spheres are returning an incorrect number of faces 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8299 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-03-04 04:43 <osmantis> Bug #8299:04 [PATCH] Spheres are returning an incorrect number of faces 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8299 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2018-03-04 08:23 <osmantis> Bug #8299:04 [PATCH] Spheres are returning an incorrect number of faces 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8299 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-03-04 12:29 <osmantis> Bug #8299:04 [PATCH] Spheres are returning an incorrect number of faces 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8299 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-04 13:18 <osmantis> Bug #8299:04 [PATCH] Spheres are returning an incorrect number of faces 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8299 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-04 13:19 <osmantis> Bug #8299:04 [PATCH] Spheres are returning an incorrect number of faces 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8299 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2018-03-04 13:23 <osmantis> Bug #8299:04 [PATCH] Spheres are returning an incorrect number of faces 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8299 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2018-03-05 05:44 <colosi> Got a standards issue
2018-03-05 05:44 <colosi> When building the GloebitMoneyModule, we followed the standard set by core in the included SampleMoneyModule that the EconomyModule setting should be in the [Startup] seciton of the configs.
2018-03-05 05:45 <colosi> The DTL money module looks for it in the [Economy] section.
2018-03-05 05:46 <colosi> It’s not good to have this in two places, so I’m looking to core for what the standard should be.  I assume it was intentional to place it in [Startup] in the SampleMoneyModule and this goes along with many other module choices being made in the [Startup] section.
2018-03-05 05:56 <colosi> This setting is not currently in the OpenSim.ini.example file
2018-03-05 06:49 <colosi> Full description on 3rd comment here: https://plus.google.com/+ChristopherColosi/posts/7GYHbewHze8?fscid=z13qufc4jy21gvj1522axnr4axrjjbmwq04.1520213438990667
2018-03-05 06:51 <colosi> I’ll check back in tomorrow.  Night all.
2018-03-05 09:34 <Priestov> Hi. How migration db MySQL with windows in linux?
2018-03-05 10:25 <osmantis> Bug #8300:04 Request guidance on placement of money plugin economymodule setting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8300 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-03-05 16:28 <osmantis> Bug #8299:04 [PATCH] Spheres are returning an incorrect number of faces 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8299 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-05 16:38 <Ubit_> damm jenkins is ill again
2018-03-05 16:38 <Ubit_> remote: <h1>Service Temporarily Unavailable</h1>
2018-03-05 17:45 <osmantis> Bug #8300:04 Request guidance on placement of money plugin economymodule setting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8300 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-05 18:20 <osmantis> Bug #8300:04 Request guidance on placement of money plugin economymodule setting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8300 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-05 18:34 <osmantis> Bug #8300:04 Request guidance on placement of money plugin economymodule setting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8300 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-05 18:39 <osmantis> Bug #8300:04 Request guidance on placement of money plugin economymodule setting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8300 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-05 20:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #5862 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-03-05 20:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5862: SUCCESS in 9 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5862/
2018-03-05 20:31 <osjenkins> * melanie: Remove the work around for sphere number of faces since as of commit 846f35 it initially has the correct number of faces and the workaround returns 2 more than the correct number of faces.
2018-03-05 20:31 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  make more clear some magic numbers on SOP getnumberofsides(), reduce unnecessary calls to it on LSL api
2018-03-05 20:31 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change SampleMoneyModule intialization, make it look for economymodule setting both in startup and economy sections; change some default settings to no cost values, since that is our default
2018-03-05 20:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #5863 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-03-05 20:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5863: SUCCESS in 5 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5863/
2018-03-05 20:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make the setting economymodule visible on Economy section of OpenSimDefaults.ini and OpenSim.ini.example. This setting must be changed to allow other modules and disable our simple one. (ours does look for it at Startup section for legacy reasons)
2018-03-05 20:53 <Ubit> ...grr ALSO looks ...
2018-03-05 20:54 <osmantis> Bug #8300:04 Request guidance on placement of money plugin economymodule setting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8300 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-05 21:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #5864 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-03-05 21:02 <Ubit> so i did a mess again lol
2018-03-05 21:04 <Ubit> well but kinda worked.. that also is relevant
2018-03-05 21:06 <osmantis> Bug #8300:04 Request guidance on placement of money plugin economymodule setting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8300 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-05 21:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5864: SUCCESS in 5 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5864/
2018-03-05 21:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make the setting economymodule visible on Economy section of OpenSimDefaults.ini and OpenSim.ini.example. This setting must be changed to allow other modules and disable our simple one. (ours does also look for it at Startup section for legacy reasons)
2018-03-05 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #8300:04 Request guidance on placement of money plugin economymodule setting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8300 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-05 21:12 <osmantis> Bug #8300:04 Request guidance on placement of money plugin economymodule setting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8300 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-05 21:48 <osmantis> Bug #8300:04 Request guidance on placement of money plugin economymodule setting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8300 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-05 22:02 <osmantis> Bug #8300:04 Request guidance on placement of money plugin economymodule setting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8300 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-05 22:22 <osmantis> Bug #8300:04 Request guidance on placement of money plugin economymodule setting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8300 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2018-03-06 02:48 <velus> is there any lsl or ossl scripts that does secure encryption
2018-03-06 10:24 <osmantis> Bug #7531:04 V2 OfflineIM messages HG to HG don't get send to the user after logging in. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7531 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-06 15:06 <osmantis> Bug #8288:04 [DATASNAPSHOT] Caught unknown exception while trying to load snapshot 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8288 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-03-06 15:31 <velus> Hello all, i have a little question? in one of the configs for hg you have ForeignAgentsAllow (and its set to true) you have AllowExcept = ..... and DisallowExcept = .... can you have them set to a file? if so how would the file be setup? im wanting to be able to have a syatem which will allow me to be able to have a web page be able to update this file rather than have it update the config file its self?
2018-03-06 16:05 <velus> aw
2018-03-06 17:30 <Plugh> jakdaniels: ping
2018-03-06 17:30 <Plugh> jakdaniels: Do you have any outstanding changes for the birds module that haven't been pushed?
2018-03-06 17:32 <Plugh> Afternoon, nebadon.
2018-03-06 17:32 <Plugh> nebadon: I finally launched my Patreon page last night -> https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens
2018-03-06 17:34 <jakdaniels> Plugh... it's been such a long time since I had any time to look at that. Overloaded with other work atm. I'm pretty sure github is up to date with my version here
2018-03-06 17:35 <jakdaniels> Are you going to fork it, or you can send pull requests....? I can deal with those...
2018-03-06 18:19 <BillBlight> I have a question on Bug #7531, HG to HG offline was never actually meant to work was it?  So not a bug actually a feature request ..
2018-03-06 18:20 <BillBlight> I can see where that would be an issue, because if every grid , instance, was not running the EXACT same version then it is not going to work, and what are the chances of everyone running the same version?  HAHA
2018-03-06 18:32 <ssm2017> BillBlight everyone could use the opensimulator vanilla modules but before that, they should be optimized for big loads like osgrid so when osgrid will use only vanilla modules, maybe others grid will use them too :)
2018-03-06 18:33 <BillBlight> ssm2017, don't disagree with that, I kind of meant moving forward from here, getting people to move forward is almost impossible at this point ..
2018-03-06 19:11 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid
2018-03-06 19:13 <Plugh> jakdaniels: I wasn't planning to fork it. First change will be to disable the module if it is set to disable. I don't see the value of being able to enable it from within a region.
2018-03-06 19:13 <Plugh> I'd prefer it not doing anything except for in those regions where you want birds flying around.
2018-03-06 19:16 <jakdaniels> Plugh: just set BirdsModuleStartup = false in the region ini's you don't want it be available in
2018-03-06 19:16 <Plugh> I thought you said it wasn't fully disabled as you can enable it via command from within the region.
2018-03-06 19:20 <jakdaniels> BirdsEnabled means something slightly different to BirdsStartup. BirdsEnabled set whether the birds appear in the scene and it can be toggled inworld if you have permissions with birds-enable/birds-disable. So this decides whether to add or remove the bird prims to the scene. birds-start/birds-stop make them fly around or be static. BirdsModuleStartup disables the module so it never listens in-world at all.
2018-03-06 20:12 <Plugh> I haven't looked at the code in a while. 
2018-03-06 20:13 <Plugh> Ah, ok. Enabled is the common word used for whether a module does anything or just sits idle. You are using it to control the "birds" with "Startup" for controlling the module.
2018-03-06 20:16 <jakdaniels> Yes, and I know it's kinda 'non standard'. Maybe birds-enable/birds-disable should be birds-show/birds-hide with the ini option being BirdsShowing = True, so then BirdsEnabled could mean whether the module does anything or not. But it's done now. Not going to change it soon. It's documented the way it is ;)
2018-03-06 20:21 <Plugh> Some change along that line may make sense. It would be good to keep the use of Enabled the same as for other modules. The name of the other setting should be based on the name of the inworld command that has a similar effect.
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2018-03-06 22:12 <andsim> i am having xmlrpc group issues, here log https://pastebin.com/J08JV2q7
2018-03-06 22:13 <djphil> Arfff now everyone know you Vivox Login / Pass andsim :(
2018-03-06 22:14 <andsim> oh
2018-03-06 22:14 <andsim> oops
2018-03-06 22:14 <djphil> Yes it is clear in the log
2018-03-06 22:15 <andsim> i delte it
2018-03-06 22:15 <djphil> Be careful when copying / pasting something ;)
2018-03-06 22:15 <andsim> yeah
2018-03-06 22:15 <andsim> i didnt realize 
2018-03-06 22:16 <djphil> by chance isn't you credit card code :)
2018-03-06 22:16 <Plugh> Hey, andsim.
2018-03-06 22:16 <andsim> nno way lol
2018-03-06 22:16 <Plugh> Didn't realize what?
2018-03-06 22:16 <andsim> hi
2018-03-06 22:17 <andsim> log show my vivox detail
2018-03-06 22:18 <andsim> but it is delete
2018-03-06 22:18 <andsim> good thing i was pro
2018-03-06 22:18 <andsim> on pastebin
2018-03-06 22:19 <djphil> no brain then pay lol
2018-03-06 22:19 <Plugh> ok. :)
2018-03-06 22:24 <andsim> anyway disable vivox debug?
2018-03-06 22:25 <djphil> unfortunately no or i don't know
2018-03-06 22:25 <andsim> k
2018-03-06 22:25 <andsim> back to group issues
2018-03-06 22:25 <djphil> normally this should be replaced by *** as is the case for connection to the database
2018-03-06 22:26 <djphil> maybee we can mantis that ...
2018-03-06 22:27 <djphil> we = you ^^
2018-03-06 22:27 <andsim> not update thou
2018-03-06 22:27 <andsim> not to latest
2018-03-06 22:29 <andsim> but i would like convert groupsv2 to xmlrpc
2018-03-06 22:30 <andsim> right now i am testing one sim before i roll out to other sim
2018-03-06 22:32 <osmantis> Bug #8301:04 [VIVOX SECURITY] Vivox details are displayed in the log 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8301 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2018-03-06 22:32 <djphil> ;)
2018-03-06 22:34 <osmantis> Bug #8301:04 [VIVOX SECURITY] Vivox details are displayed in the log 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8301 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-06 22:34 <Ubit> andsim.. V2 xmlrpc is the other groups module
2018-03-06 22:36 <andsim> ubit i need able group notices to offline groupsv2 dont do
2018-03-06 22:36 <djphil> andsim: which xmlrpc group do you use?
2018-03-06 22:36 <djphil> this ? https://github.com/kcozens/flotsam
2018-03-06 22:36 <BillBlight> you will also need to switch your offline messaging module
2018-03-06 22:36 <BillBlight> if you want that to work
2018-03-06 22:36 <andsim> juist pull it few day ago
2018-03-06 22:37 <Ubit> yeap V2 seems to not support offline grp notices
2018-03-06 22:37 <BillBlight> You should consider looking at jopensim, has offlline IM, groups, and all that
2018-03-06 22:37 <Ubit> one reason is performance cost of it
2018-03-06 22:37 <Ubit> ( it is a option on other modules )
2018-03-06 22:38 <Ubit> but its a feature to add i guess
2018-03-06 22:38 <BillBlight> Kind of surprised djphil did not recommend jopensim as it does all that you are wanting andsim
2018-03-06 22:39 <andsim> yes, inworldz have that
2018-03-06 22:39 <djphil> lol Bill
2018-03-06 22:39 <BillBlight> :P
2018-03-06 22:39 <Ubit> well i think more in terms of what makes sense to have, and not about who has what
2018-03-06 22:39 <djphil> we have working on today ... tommorow Foto pull out  a new release :)
2018-03-06 22:40 <BillBlight> yep .. I use a modded one anyway ...  but always check out the new ones
2018-03-06 22:40 <andsim> i know nothing :P
2018-03-06 22:40 <djphil> nice new features :)
2018-03-06 22:40 <djphil> have you try the jopensim singularity viewer yet ?
2018-03-06 22:41 <djphil> *Bill
2018-03-06 22:41 <andsim> link to jopensim
2018-03-06 22:41 <BillBlight> yeah the o3.1.3
2018-03-06 22:41 <djphil> not only
2018-03-06 22:41 <djphil> It allow to add new invent by viewer
2018-03-06 22:42 <andsim> singularity viewer dont work well on my grid
2018-03-06 22:42 <djphil> new button "add event" on search events tab
2018-03-06 22:42 <BillBlight> I downloaded it .. but have not installed it yet, I should
2018-03-06 22:42 <BillBlight> NICE
2018-03-06 22:42 <djphil> and too now, we can limit the acces for adult region
2018-03-06 22:43 <djphil> new birtday system to check age
2018-03-06 22:44 <djphil> But I find that all of these things should be in opensim by default ...
2018-03-06 22:44 <Ubit> ( afk  rl things )
2018-03-06 22:46 <djphil> running away (lol)
2018-03-06 22:48 <andsim> what jopensim i need it have too many
2018-03-06 22:50 <andsim>  jOpenSim 0.3.1.2?
2018-03-06 22:51 <djphil> yes or wait tomorow for 0.3.1.3
2018-03-06 22:51 <djphil> (but Foto say ''maybee tommorow'')
2018-03-06 22:51 <andsim> oh
2018-03-06 22:52 <andsim> what change
2018-03-06 22:52 <djphil> bug fixs
2018-03-06 22:52 <andsim> k
2018-03-06 22:53 <djphil> but 0.3.1.2 is ok
2018-03-06 22:54 <BillBlight> but of course you have to have a working joomla install for it to function at all .. 
2018-03-06 22:54 <BillBlight> just in case you missed that part
2018-03-06 22:55 <andsim> going install it, i have old wifi
2018-03-06 22:55 <andsim> biltin robust
2018-03-06 22:55 <andsim> builtin*
2018-03-06 22:55 <djphil> Bill: we have already started work for j4 compatibility :)
2018-03-06 22:57 <BillBlight> very nice, I'll keep complaining, seems to help sometimes
2018-03-06 22:57 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-03-06 22:58 <djphil> seems sometimes yes ^^
2018-03-06 22:59 <andsim> is jopenssim website?
2018-03-06 22:59 <djphil> what ?
2018-03-06 22:59 <andsim> or services
2018-03-06 23:00 <djphil> no understand what you want mean
2018-03-06 23:01 <andsim> is jopensim full website or it just a services?
2018-03-06 23:01 <djphil> jopensim is a component
2018-03-06 23:01 <djphil> for joomla
2018-03-06 23:01 <andsim> oh
2018-03-06 23:02 <djphil> you can try d4os too
2018-03-06 23:02 <andsim> meaning neeeed joomla
2018-03-06 23:02 <djphil> true
2018-03-06 23:03 <djphil> That's what Bill said to you above
2018-03-06 23:03 <andsim> soo joomla is a website and jopensim is compoment
2018-03-06 23:04 <BillBlight> yes
2018-03-06 23:04 <djphil> yeah, and drupal is too a website and d4os is too a componant
2018-03-06 23:05 <djphil> boyj for opensim managment
2018-03-06 23:05 <djphil> both*
2018-03-06 23:05 <djphil> for exemple, osgrid use d4os
2018-03-06 23:06 <andsim> oh
2018-03-06 23:07 <andsim> i have to test drupal on my web site
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2018-03-07 00:31 <andsim> darn dns i have to wait dns update
2018-03-07 00:44 <djphil> go to Pro ^^
2018-03-07 01:12 <andsim> wqhere?
2018-03-07 01:13 <andsim> no pro option i am eith
2018-03-07 01:13 <andsim> with*
2018-03-07 01:14 <andsim> sucuri
2018-03-07 01:14 <andsim> i didnt point right web site ip
2018-03-07 01:55 <andsim> wow jopensim is way easy
2018-03-07 01:55 <djphil> yup! :)
2018-03-07 01:55 <andsim> going have to setup on grid server
2018-03-07 01:56 <andsim> side
2018-03-07 01:56 <andsim> website
2018-03-07 02:22 <Plugh> jopensim has to be a lot better than the old wiredux web front-end tool. I've never used the diva WiFi package that much to see what it can really do.
2018-03-07 03:06 <BillBlight> andsim, for jopensim be sure to put the modules in for profile and search if you want those to work, the configureation is not hard but it is easy to miss part of it ..
2018-03-07 05:01 <andsim> i am having upload error and unable to create folder
2018-03-07 05:03 <andsim> not sure why it different host then dedicate server
2018-03-07 05:13 <andsim> Warning Install path does not exist. Package Install: There was an error installing an extension: com_opensim.0.3.1.2.zip
2018-03-07 05:41 <Plugh> The webserver will need write perms on the upload directory.
2018-03-07 05:42 <BillBlight> really ?? No shit
2018-03-07 05:42 <BillBlight> :P
2018-03-07 05:46 <Plugh> BillBlight, you and I know that. Andsim may not.
2018-03-07 09:50 <osmantis> Bug #8302:04 Convergence India 2018 Expo commences 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8302 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-03-07 12:45 <djphil_> andsim: 0.3.1.3 out just now!
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2018-03-07 22:20 <andsim> yea
2018-03-07 22:20 <andsim> i found alot of folder need writable
2018-03-07 22:21 <andsim> got it to work now
2018-03-07 22:22 <andsim> last night i was to tired
2018-03-07 22:22 <andsim> Message
2018-03-07 22:22 <andsim> Installation of the package was successful.
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2018-03-07 22:33 <andsim> ok i am getting ErrorJOPENSIM_ERROR_DB
2018-03-07 22:36 <andsim> nevermind port error :)
2018-03-07 23:06 <andsim> aanyone know how jopensim group hookup?
2018-03-07 23:50 <djphil_> http://wiki.jopensim.com/index.php/Main_Page
2018-03-07 23:51 <djphil_> and/or use jopensim forum if you have question :)
2018-03-07 23:51 <djphil_> https://www.jopensim.com/forum/index.html
2018-03-07 23:51 <djphil_> This is the right place for this
2018-03-08 13:32 <Priestov> Hi all. im build new version opensim in source code for linux. Its work, but i have problems with mesh avatars and body.  
2018-03-08 13:35 <Priestov> its too working, but server say [UpdateBakedCache]:cache hits: 0 changed entries: bla bla bla
2018-03-08 13:36 <Priestov> This request he repeats 4 times per second
2018-03-08 13:45 <ssm2017> Priestov this is a bug depending on the meshes weared by avatar. you can stop this using the command : show appearance first last
2018-03-08 13:45 <ssm2017> replace first and last with avatar name
2018-03-08 13:47 <Priestov> in console sim?
2018-03-08 13:51 <Priestov> Thanks ssm2017
2018-03-08 13:51 <Priestov> its help
2018-03-08 13:52 <ssm2017> yes in console sim
2018-03-08 14:47 <Cody_> Hi, Question: Is it possible to make it so that only certain users say with a level of like 100 to use hypergrid?
2018-03-08 14:49 <ssm2017> it looks like yes in Robust 0.9 (not tested) have a look at the [UserAgentService] in Robust.HG.ini
2018-03-08 14:58 <Cody_> thank you!
2018-03-08 15:01 <Priestov> and other question: Where is the main region for the sim set in the config?
2018-03-08 15:48 <djphil> andsim : avi fixed :)
2018-03-08 17:03 <Ubit> anyone testing YEngine?
2018-03-08 17:28 <djphil> Trying to get AuroraDonetEngine working on jOpenSim ...
2018-03-08 17:29 <djphil> ... work un probress by funcake :)
2018-03-08 17:29 <djphil> progress*
2018-03-08 18:53 <Plugh> Ubit, I haven't been testing it yet. Been busy on some other things.
2018-03-08 18:53 <Ubit> well ive more work on it..
2018-03-08 18:53 <Ubit> the threading model is still kinda basic.. 
2018-03-08 18:54 <Ubit> and the language extentions need some cut down
2018-03-08 18:54 <Ubit> i already did remove some like crossing hacks for older 0.8 etc
2018-03-08 18:55 <Ubit> well guess you don't know what m talking about bc the doc is not avaiable :p
2018-03-08 18:56 <Plugh> docs for OS? What are those?  ;)
2018-03-08 18:59 <Ubit> good question :p
2018-03-08 19:03 <Plugh> bbl. Have some stuff I need to do.
2018-03-08 19:05 <BillBlight> I still seem to think that it worked a bit better on Linux before the tasklet removal , but I may be being over critical
2018-03-08 19:06 <BillBlight> and quick question, why is it that reading instructions is a lost art these days, does nobody read anymore?
2018-03-08 19:06 <Ubit> you never had tasklet setting operational i think
2018-03-08 19:07 <BillBlight> I don't know ubit , maybe not, but it really seemed smoother before that
2018-03-08 19:08 <BillBlight> I'm going to bring up some clean fresh test regions for it this weekend ..
2018-03-08 20:44 <Ubit> ty
2018-03-08 20:44 <Ubit> well the threading is still not good
2018-03-08 20:45 <Ubit> but tricky thing that...
2018-03-08 20:48 <Ubit> but as is it seems to be able to handle more scripts lps that xengine
2018-03-08 20:48 <Ubit> than..
2018-03-08 20:49 <Ubit> but at any given moment the number of threads doing heavy work should not be much higher than the number of cores
2018-03-08 20:49 <Ubit> or every thing sinks
2018-03-08 20:50 <Ubit> ( including other regions on same box )
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2018-03-09 06:56 <Tampa> ; Attempt to render meshes and sculpties on the map
2018-03-09 06:56 <Tampa>     RenderMeshes = false;
2018-03-09 06:56 <Tampa> Is that ; after false a typo?
2018-03-09 07:03 <BillBlight> does not matter it is going to be ignored anyway
2018-03-09 07:03 <BillBlight> but yes a typo
2018-03-09 07:19 <Tampa> Ah, just been going over the configs trying to find typos and work on the explanations a bit since there are a couple missing sections even
2018-03-09 08:04 <BillBlight> yeah a ; indicates a commen until the next carriage return
2018-03-09 08:04 <BillBlight> *comment
2018-03-09 08:05 <BillBlight> should say the beginning of a comment until the next carriage return.
2018-03-09 08:05 <BillBlight> in the ini anyway
2018-03-09 13:43 <djphil> Ubit, last change you made with opensim money allow now to use lsl money script functions ? (i mean without paypal or real money system ?, just workin money functions).
2018-03-09 18:31 <osmantis> Bug #8300:04 Request guidance on placement of money plugin economymodule setting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8300 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-09 18:57 <osmantis> Bug #8300:04 Request guidance on placement of money plugin economymodule setting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8300 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-09 19:48 <osmantis> Bug #8300:04 Request guidance on placement of money plugin economymodule setting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8300 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2018-03-10 02:05 <djphil> 14Ubit, last change you made with opensim money allow to use lsl money script functions now ? (i mean without paypal or real money system ?, just working money functions).01
2018-03-10 02:05 <Ubit> no change on that
2018-03-10 02:05 <djphil> ok
2018-03-10 02:06 <Ubit> core will go on be zero cost
2018-03-10 02:06 <Ubit> in some circunstances even fake money has legal issues
2018-03-10 02:07 <djphil> ...
2018-03-10 02:08 <Ubit> damm log messages are taking a lot of time on my wim10
2018-03-10 02:08 <Ubit> win10
2018-03-10 02:09 <djphil> you have gettexture working proprely on your win 10 ?
2018-03-10 02:09 <Ubit> well even not considering that, we should clean out many of those
2018-03-10 02:09 <Ubit> what gettexture ?
2018-03-10 02:10 <djphil> the getTexture Service work for you on win10 ?
2018-03-10 02:10 <Ubit> think i never used it
2018-03-10 02:10 <djphil> if possible ... if you can test ...
2018-03-10 02:10 <Ubit> well and possible we should not even have it
2018-03-10 02:11 <djphil> relative to http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7885
2018-03-10 02:11 <Ubit> ohh a 0.8 issue ?
2018-03-10 02:11 <djphil> yeah !!!
2018-03-10 02:12 <djphil> You see i'm patient
2018-03-10 02:12 <djphil> or idiot !
2018-03-10 02:12 <Ubit> well those are yr words :p
2018-03-10 02:13 <djphil> Yes it's sad
2018-03-10 02:14 <Ubit> well viewers do get textures via http fine
2018-03-10 02:16 <djphil> The problem for me is with this request http://domain.com:8002/CAPS/GetTexture/?texture_id=<texture_uuid>&format=png
2018-03-10 02:16 <Ubit> but guess you speak about getting from robust directly and with format convertion
2018-03-10 02:16 <djphil> yep
2018-03-10 02:17 <djphil> I got a texture that works properly in the past
2018-03-10 02:17 <djphil> but one day, without my understanding why, he stopped working
2018-03-10 02:18 <djphil> Any idea are welcome :)
2018-03-10 02:18 <Ubit> hmm silly question how do i get a tex uuid? lol
2018-03-10 02:19 <Ubit> bahh never ming
2018-03-10 02:19 <Ubit> or mind
2018-03-10 02:19 <Ubit> err caps?
2018-03-10 02:20 <djphil> what ?
2018-03-10 02:20 <Ubit> that robust url has caps?
2018-03-10 02:20 <Ubit> are you sure ??
2018-03-10 02:21 <djphil> i think yes
2018-03-10 02:25 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Direct_Service_Requests
2018-03-10 02:30 <djphil> 
ACTION afk

2018-03-10 02:42 <Ubit> ok seems working fine for mw
2018-03-10 02:42 <Ubit> me
2018-03-10 02:42 <Ubit> in png
2018-03-10 02:43 <djphil> Arfff :s ok tyvm
2018-03-10 02:45 <Ubit> yeap seems no jpg
2018-03-10 02:46 <djphil> Ha! good news !!!
2018-03-10 02:46 <Ubit> but i did needed to add things to robust.ini
2018-03-10 02:46 <Ubit> as on wiki
2018-03-10 02:47 <Ubit> http://domain.com:8002/CAPS/GetTexture/?texture_id=<texture_uuid>&format=png
2018-03-10 02:47 <Ubit> did work then
2018-03-10 02:47 <Ubit> yeack not with robust down :p
2018-03-10 02:47 <djphil> Mmmm mmm :)
2018-03-10 02:48 <Ubit> we really shoult not have this service, but well its a option
2018-03-10 02:49 <djphil> if you remove I think you're going to make a lot of people not contant ... ;)
2018-03-10 02:50 <djphil> contant = Happy
2018-03-10 02:50 <djphil> oops!
2018-03-10 02:50 <Ubit> bahh im already well known for doing that :p
2018-03-10 02:51 <djphil> ^^
2018-03-10 02:53 <Ubit> odd jpeg should work
2018-03-10 02:54 <Ubit> bahh and it does  ...&format=jpeg
2018-03-10 02:54 <Ubit> ( not jpg)
2018-03-10 02:55 <djphil> I do not know if I had tested with this old format
2018-03-10 02:55 <djphil> I can try tomorrow, today it's late and I'm tired
2018-03-10 02:56 <Ubit> don't forget  adding GetTextureConnector = "${Const|PublicPort}/OpenSim.Capabilities.Handlers.dll:GetTextureServerConnector"
2018-03-10 02:56 <Ubit> and the caps... section as described on wiki
2018-03-10 02:56 <djphil> It seems that on Linux it works properly
2018-03-10 02:56 <djphil> as said watcher etc ...
2018-03-10 02:56 <djphil> it's probably worth checking with Linux too
2018-03-10 02:57 <Ubit> i leave that 2 u :p
2018-03-10 02:57 <djphil> yes, sure for caps
2018-03-10 02:57 <Ubit> my robust is on win10
2018-03-10 02:57 <djphil> Hehe i don't have any Linux installed here ...
2018-03-10 02:57 <djphil> ha ok
2018-03-10 02:58 <djphil> but watcher say that work ...
2018-03-10 03:00 <djphil> And, as shown in my mantis, this is corrupt the asset in the db
2018-03-10 03:00 <Ubit> well i do get a error on storing the req format on db
2018-03-10 03:01 <djphil> If you goto inworld and try to see your texture (with the same uuid you just using) the image is now grey
2018-03-10 03:01 <djphil> ha you found the error format too
2018-03-10 03:01 <djphil> hehe great !
2018-03-10 03:03 <Ubit> yeackkk
2018-03-10 03:03 <Ubit> hmm
2018-03-10 03:04 <djphil> What ?
2018-03-10 03:04 <Ubit> nothing :p
2018-03-10 03:05 <djphil> Stomach noise ?
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2018-03-10 03:10 <Ubit> yeap issue is that db does not have space for the hacked id
2018-03-10 03:11 <Ubit> and storing this diferent formats on assets db does not sound like a good idea
2018-03-10 03:12 <djphil> but it should not store anything, just read/convert the blob only ...
2018-03-10 03:12 <Ubit> we really should not have this thingy
2018-03-10 03:13 <Ubit> no viewers use other format, original must be preserved
2018-03-10 03:13 <Ubit> jpeg2k
2018-03-10 03:14 <djphil> it's a reader, not a recorder
2018-03-10 03:15 <Ubit> yes.. but the image has a convertion that is heavy
2018-03-10 03:15 <Ubit> so ppl had the idea of storing also the converted format on assets db
2018-03-10 03:15 <Ubit> and made it as a hack..  
2018-03-10 03:15 <Ubit> what asset services are you using ?
2018-03-10 03:16 <Ubit> others than the one im using my actually destroy the original
2018-03-10 03:16 <Ubit> bahh
2018-03-10 03:16 <Ubit> we should not have this 
2018-03-10 03:17 <djphil> There are other ways to hack Ubit
2018-03-10 03:18 <Ubit> CREATE TABLE `XAssetsMeta` (
2018-03-10 03:18 <Ubit>   `ID` char(36) NOT NULL,
2018-03-10 03:18 <Ubit> this will not work
2018-03-10 03:19 <Ubit> no idea how did this ever worked
2018-03-10 03:19 <djphil> lol
2018-03-10 03:20 <djphil> I can just tell you a moment it worked ... :p
2018-03-10 03:21 <Ubit> you are using master or httptests?
2018-03-10 03:21 <djphil> Master :)
2018-03-10 03:21 <Ubit> bahh weak
2018-03-10 03:22 <djphil> not update since a while
2018-03-10 03:23 <djphil> Ok 4am here, time for me
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2018-03-10 16:07 <Priestov> hi all. My settings OpenSim.ini not have limite money in upload and create group. But i have problem. Upload 1 OS... 
2018-03-10 16:08 <Priestov> i have PriceUpload = 0
2018-03-10 16:21 <Plugh> The defaults values for PriceUpload and PriceGroupCreate is 0. SellEnabled also defaults to true which enables selling things for 0$. 
2018-03-10 16:22 <Plugh> Which version of OS are you using? Are you using an addon money module?
2018-03-10 16:23 <Priestov> OS version 0.9.0, Linuux. Yes, am use money module
2018-03-10 16:24 <Priestov> linux*
2018-03-10 16:27 <Plugh> The money module may be imposing the upload fee.
2018-03-10 16:28 <Plugh> Which money module are you using? Gloebit? DTL/NSL? A proprietary one?
2018-03-10 16:30 <Priestov> DTL/NSL
2018-03-10 16:37 <Plugh> Priestov: Check your settings in the [Economy] section. The OpenSimDefaults.ini file shipped with DTL/NSL has set non-zero values for fees.
2018-03-10 16:38 <Plugh> PriceUpload does show as 0 in that file. 
2018-03-10 16:38 <Priestov> ok
2018-03-10 16:41 <Plugh> Hm... the module code does set all the fees to 0 by default. 
2018-03-10 16:42 <Plugh> That money module is a 3rd party one. Help for it will be limited. I would suggest talking to the people that created it. 
2018-03-10 16:43 <Plugh> You could check what information is passed to your viewer when you login to see if the right information is being passed or if it is a problem in the viewer.
2018-03-10 16:43 <Priestov> oh...ok( How money module use?
2018-03-10 16:46 <Plugh> If you are asking how to set up and use the module, check the documentation that comes with it. It tells you what you need to do.
2018-03-10 16:47 <Plugh> The tricky part about setting it up is some updates that are needed to the OpenSim code base before you compile OpenSim.
2018-03-10 16:47 <Priestov> no. I ask what monetary module you recommend?
2018-03-10 16:47 <Priestov> money*
2018-03-10 16:48 <Plugh> I'm a core developer. I won't recommend any particular money module. I will only mention the names of ones I know exist.
2018-03-10 16:49 <Priestov> its module working in my server windows server 2012
2018-03-10 16:49 <Plugh> DTL/NSL is one of the modules I know about. 
2018-03-10 16:50 <Priestov> yes, and this module work in windows OS
2018-03-10 16:51 <Priestov> and work in linux... but opensim not connected(
2018-03-10 16:52 <Priestov> http://pasted.co/e50b11fa
2018-03-10 16:53 <Priestov> its fragment logs
2018-03-10 16:54 <Plugh> It has been a while since I set up a test bed for that module. IIRC, there was a code patch required and a module that you need to replace (or rebuild).
2018-03-10 16:55 <Plugh> There have been a lot of changes in 0.9 and some of the changes may have changed how you set up that money module.
2018-03-10 16:57 <Priestov> im build with old files IMoneyModule.cs, LandManagementModule.cs, SampleMoneyModule.cs
2018-03-10 16:58 <Priestov> and this module work in windows
2018-03-10 16:59 <Plugh> The copy of the code I have only mentions OS 0.8. Two steps needed is to replace HttpServer_OpenSim.dll and apply a patch to the OpenSimulator source tree.
2018-03-10 17:00 <Plugh> You also need to copy the module code in to the source tree.
2018-03-10 17:12 <Plugh> Priestov: I checked the website and the only version of the DTL/NSL money module available is for 0.8
2018-03-10 17:13 <Plugh> You will need to know how to update the module code (where needed) for use in 0.9
2018-03-10 17:14 <Priestov> Have you watched a fragment of the log?
2018-03-10 17:18 <Priestov> im not want use certificate server_cert.p12 and SineWaveCert.pfx
2018-03-10 17:18 <Priestov> but opensim say - Error: ConnectFailure (TLS Support not available.) --->
2018-03-10 17:19 <Plugh> It wants to make a secure connection to the website with some other parts of the money system.
2018-03-10 17:21 <Priestov> yes. for this in use certificate?
2018-03-10 17:22 <Priestov> if im do not use certificate, opensim not connecting?
2018-03-10 17:24 <Priestov> sorry for my english)
2018-03-10 17:24 <Priestov> im from ukraine)))
2018-03-10 17:25 <Plugh> If there is no certificate then I wouldn't expect it to connect.
2018-03-10 17:26 <Priestov> understand...
2018-03-10 17:26 <Plugh> About time to go feed the cat and get myself some lunch. bbl.
2018-03-10 17:27 <Priestov> ok)
2018-03-10 17:27 <Plugh> If you will be running a money module you will have to worry about possible legal and liability issues.
2018-03-10 17:27 <Priestov> thanks for help
2018-03-10 17:27 <Plugh> yw
2018-03-10 17:28 <Priestov> its ukraine)
2018-03-10 17:29 <Priestov> money module not use for real money. Not out and not input real money
2018-03-10 20:52 <djphil> tyvm Ubit :)
2018-03-10 20:52 <djphil> all formats supported ?
2018-03-10 20:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #5865 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-03-10 20:53 <Ubit> that is as before
2018-03-10 20:54 <Ubit> and not sure why you still have issues :(
2018-03-10 20:54 <Ubit> but lets see.. 
2018-03-10 20:54 <Ubit> what db do you use? maria ?
2018-03-10 20:54 <djphil> I have not tested yet with your patc included
2018-03-10 20:55 <djphil> mysql
2018-03-10 20:55 <djphil> xampp
2018-03-10 20:55 <Ubit> odd mysql on win did just complain about the bad ID but rest did work
2018-03-10 20:56 <Ubit> posible on linux it just ignores the extra chars on ID and overrides the asset
2018-03-10 20:57 <djphil> Apparently under Linux he has always worked well ...
2018-03-10 20:58 <Ubit> well it did work well for me on windows..
2018-03-10 20:59 <Ubit> my patch is just not hammering mysql with something that is known to fail
2018-03-10 20:59 <djphil> you mean with your patch?
2018-03-10 20:59 <osmantis> Bug #7885:04 [ASSET_SERVICE] Get_Texture service corrupted assets texture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7885 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-10 20:59 <djphil> I will try to test your patch quickly
2018-03-10 20:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5865: SUCCESS in 9 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5865/
2018-03-10 20:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 7885: robust asset services have no cache and only accept a asset ID that is a uuid, so regions hack to cache several image formats is not possible. Robut GetTexture is very heavy unless image format is the default (j2k mime type x-j2k), since with no cache image convertions is performed on every request. Adicionally it does expose all textures if the tcp port is public. Avoid using it.
2018-03-10 21:00 <Ubit> ok
2018-03-10 21:01 <Ubit> btw that mantis is a mess
2018-03-10 21:01 <Ubit> you talk about Robust and region settings
2018-03-10 21:02 <djphil> why ?
2018-03-10 21:02 <Ubit> you did report a issue about Robust gettexture
2018-03-10 21:03 <Ubit> that as you asked has no relation with regions
2018-03-10 21:03 <Ubit> ..  regions can be configured to tell viewers to use the same service.. but that is a diferent case
2018-03-10 21:03 <djphil> [GRID] Asset Service
2018-03-10 21:04 <Ubit> and currently also not nice.. regions do provice caching, reducing assets service load a LOT
2018-03-10 21:04 <djphil> I just pointed out that it worked more and was trying to give some details of my configuration
2018-03-10 21:04 <Ubit> diferent issues..
2018-03-10 21:05 <djphil> I did not guess :s
2018-03-10 21:05 <Ubit> 15:59:28 - [ASSET SERVICE]: Could not parse requested asset id 680406ec-455e-4044-b99a-b4bf9b32c043-png  <--- this is what i fixed now
2018-03-10 21:06 <Ubit> 15:59:31 - [ASSET SERVICE]: Could not parse requested asset id 680406ec-455e-4044-b99a-b4bf9b32c043-png
2018-03-10 21:06 <Ubit> 15:59:31 - [GETTEXTURE]: Converting texture 680406ec-455e-4044-b99a-b4bf9b32c043 to png
2018-03-10 21:06 <Ubit> 15:59:31 - Decoded image with unhandled number of components: 0
2018-03-10 21:06 <Ubit> clear shows that on yr sistem the texture was written over in format png
2018-03-10 21:07 <Ubit> ( well or just destroyed on the assets db )
2018-03-10 21:07 <djphil> true
2018-03-10 21:07 <Ubit> so that should be fixed now
2018-03-10 21:07 <djphil> that's what i explain in the mantis, the texture is corrupt in the database
2018-03-10 21:07 <Ubit> hmmm mysql is version 5.7 i think
2018-03-10 21:08 <Ubit> my mysql
2018-03-10 21:08 <djphil> or 5.6, don't remeber
2018-03-10 21:08 <djphil> but is 7.2 now ...
2018-03-10 21:11 <Ubit> btw justin did sugest using a robust instance only with this 
2018-03-10 21:12 <Ubit> will still overload yr box..
2018-03-10 21:13 <Ubit> but will be more isolated and disturb a bit less normal assets
2018-03-10 21:14 <djphil> what do you suggest for the conversion of image assets for display on website?
2018-03-10 21:15 <Ubit> hmm no idea.. a proxy doing the cache this does not?
2018-03-10 21:16 <djphil> i don't know
2018-03-10 21:16 <djphil> at now i'm using imagick
2018-03-10 21:16 <djphil> (with and without cache lol)
2018-03-10 21:16 <Ubit> what uses this pics?
2018-03-10 21:17 <djphil> web insterfaces
2018-03-10 21:17 <djphil> interface*
2018-03-10 21:17 <djphil> like profile, groups, classifields, events etc ...
2018-03-10 21:19 <djphil> even the map tiles it works lol
2018-03-10 21:19 <Ubit> well LL gamble went wrong. they did bet j2k whould be the standard, but no
2018-03-10 21:20 <Ubit> browers have no idea what j2k is :)
2018-03-10 21:20 <djphil> what is the advantage of j2k? More layers preserved?
2018-03-10 21:20 <Ubit> did a bit more compression back then
2018-03-10 21:20 <djphil> kk
2018-03-10 21:21 <Ubit> but does use more cpu etc.. so no one went for it
2018-03-10 21:21 <Ubit> also jpeg does have hardware support now,  j2 does not
2018-03-10 21:21 <djphil> Well, why opensim does not change?
2018-03-10 21:21 <Ubit> bc viewers use j2k
2018-03-10 21:22 <djphil> ... viewer can change too!
2018-03-10 21:22 <Ubit> yeah right..
2018-03-10 21:22 <Ubit> same could be said for collada on meshes
2018-03-10 21:22 <Ubit> no one uses that
2018-03-10 21:23 <Ubit> but not much of a open thing back then
2018-03-10 21:23 <Ubit> most mesh formats where proprietary
2018-03-10 21:23 <djphil> I read update ... always say "we optimized" ... everything goes faster even faster ... but I never saw we deleted j2k because it is bad choice from start
2018-03-10 21:23 <Ubit> now most uss fbs
2018-03-10 21:24 <Ubit> and for textures DD something ( nivida format )
2018-03-10 21:25 <djphil> Hooo for the mesh we would be happier with the fxb files
2018-03-10 21:25 <djphil> and physics rendering :)
2018-03-10 21:25 <Ubit> opps fxb yes :)
2018-03-10 21:25 <djphil> Like the new Eevee on Blender 2.80 :p
2018-03-10 21:26 <Ubit> well that is also viewer only thing..
2018-03-10 21:26 <djphil> with fxb we can get a realistic environnemnt texture for nice metal effects
2018-03-10 21:26 <djphil> that really more and more realistic
2018-03-10 21:27 <Ubit> does not matter what a format has , if there is no rendering support
2018-03-10 21:27 <djphil> so much glossy for many poeples ^^
2018-03-10 21:27 <Ubit> do not mix things :p
2018-03-10 21:28 <djphil> if it includes special textures, this also applies to rendering no?
2018-03-10 21:28 <Ubit> viewer materials if a very small fixed subset of materials on other engines
2018-03-10 21:28 <Ubit> the so called advanced materials i mean
2018-03-10 21:29 <djphil> yes i talk about advanced materials too
2018-03-10 22:03 <djphil> Ubit you are great, it work perfectly :)
2018-03-10 22:03 <djphil> http://digigrids.no-ip.org:8002/CAPS/GetTexture/?texture_id=4eac7c22-7344-4df5-8034-6da7b24b40d6&format=jpeg
2018-03-10 22:03 <Ubit> well "perfectly"
2018-03-10 22:03 <djphil> yeah i know ^^
2018-03-10 22:03 <Ubit> acrobat ??
2018-03-10 22:03 <Ubit> i mean adobe ?
2018-03-10 22:03 <djphil> oops i see Nu such codec jpg
2018-03-10 22:04 <djphil> when i try jpg format
2018-03-10 22:04 <djphil> yes acrobat logo
2018-03-10 22:04 <Ubit> its jpeg
2018-03-10 22:04 <djphil> yes jpeg and jpg
2018-03-10 22:05 <djphil> in the past we have jpg too
2018-03-10 22:05 <Ubit> yr link above is working on
2018-03-10 22:05 <Ubit> ok
2018-03-10 22:05 <Ubit> well name is jpeg
2018-03-10 22:05 <djphil> this don't i mean
2018-03-10 22:05 <djphil> http://digigrids.no-ip.org:8002/CAPS/GetTexture/?texture_id=4eac7c22-7344-4df5-8034-6da7b24b40d6&format=jpg
2018-03-10 22:05 <Ubit> yes it does not
2018-03-10 22:05 <djphil> png "perfecty" too
2018-03-10 22:06 <Ubit> and we do not control that i think
2018-03-10 22:06 <djphil> why it work in past then ? and how lol
2018-03-10 22:06 <Ubit> no idea
2018-03-10 22:06 <Ubit> yr bad memory playing tricks? :p
2018-03-10 22:06 <djphil> maybee a additionnal library for bin/
2018-03-10 22:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #5866 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-03-10 22:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5866: SUCCESS in 5 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5866/
2018-03-10 22:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: comment out some debug messages visible on SOP CompleteMovement
2018-03-10 22:17 <djphil> hehe i see .tif forma work, that download the pics :)
2018-03-10 22:17 <djphil> bmp too
2018-03-10 22:19 <djphil> lol gif too
2018-03-10 22:19 <djphil> Hmmm no tga
2018-03-10 22:20 <osmantis> Bug #7885:04 [ASSET_SERVICE] Get_Texture service corrupted assets texture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7885 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2018-03-10 22:20 <osmantis> Bug #7885:04 [ASSET_SERVICE] Get_Texture service corrupted assets texture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7885 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2018-03-10 22:21 <Ubit> formats maybe diferent on linux
2018-03-10 22:22 <Ubit> should not.. we do use .net thing to convert
2018-03-10 22:22 <djphil> !help available formats
2018-03-10 22:24 <Ubit> GDI+ uses image encoders to convert the images stored in Bitmap objects to various file formats. Image encoders are built into GDI+ for the BMP, JPEG, GIF, TIFF, and PNG formats.
2018-03-10 22:24 <Ubit> on win
2018-03-10 22:24 <djphil> and Linux users ?
2018-03-10 22:25 <djphil> have jpg ?
2018-03-10 22:25 <Ubit> no
2018-03-10 22:25 <Ubit> but have jpeg :p
2018-03-10 22:25 <djphil> ok
2018-03-10 22:25 <djphil> ok
2018-03-10 22:25 <Ubit> mono should try to do the same as win
2018-03-10 22:25 <djphil> i ask bc jopensim use gettexture servive vith choice
2018-03-10 22:27 <djphil> jpg or png ... so maybee upstream on php code, jpg is jpeg ^^
2018-03-10 22:27 <djphil> just ask to be sure en send viable information about it
2018-03-10 22:27 <djphil> valid*
2018-03-10 22:27 <Ubit> those are very standard now.. so i just raised the question ( mono may not have them all on some platforms)
2018-03-10 22:28 <djphil> oki
2018-03-10 22:29 <djphil> Bhaaaa it work !!! I do not believe it yet lol
2018-03-10 22:29 <Ubit> odd the debug messages are taking a lot of time on my win box
2018-03-10 22:29 <Ubit> guess my disk is not being that fast..
2018-03-10 22:30 <djphil> or you have too many bugs :p
2018-03-10 22:38 <Ubit> well 2 long on ms scale :p
2018-03-10 22:39 <Ubit> mb write cache is off  well whatever
2018-03-10 22:40 <Ubit> those debug messages i took out are only needed sometimes, when trying to improve crossings etc
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2018-03-11 02:19 <osmantis> Bug #7641:04 [GETTEXTURE] Could not parse requested asset id 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7641 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2018-03-11 02:19 <osmantis> Bug #7641:04 [GETTEXTURE] Could not parse requested asset id 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7641 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2018-03-11 02:23 <djphil> Ubit, this one can be closed ?
2018-03-11 02:23 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7949
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2018-03-11 06:37 <Tampa> Why is "Must be 18+" not being overridden by Userlevel 200 or up?
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2018-03-11 14:59 <BOAN[N]> hi, little question, i working on login page to login inwolrd, it is working coreect, but how can a creat somting in php to set a new avatar in default clouting ?? 
2018-03-11 15:10 <djphil> you need to create the avatar inventory, copy a model to this inventory and wear it
2018-03-11 15:12 <BOAN[N]> i know about you need to create the avatar inventory, that is requered; but i can`t find notting about copy a model, than only some examples to get a avatar uuid, and copy it over the the new avatar uuid, like whise as jopensim 
2018-03-11 15:17 <djphil> You can display a comment on an existing avatar (for example: carrier position etc ... and you reproduce the same thing for the new avatar in the database
2018-03-11 15:18 <djphil> 4 or 5 body parts are requiered by default etc ...
2018-03-11 15:19 <djphil> doc for inventory is here http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Inventoryfolders
2018-03-11 15:19 <djphil> and for items, here : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Inventoryitems
2018-03-11 15:19 <djphil> with that you can know assets types
2018-03-11 15:20 <djphil> now you need to copy from one existing avatar (the model) to the new avatar
2018-03-11 15:21 <djphil> sorry I do not know any doc that explains this in detail :s
2018-03-11 15:23 <BOAN[N]> oke, i see work to do, i wil first to try default clouting , lol to getter we know evrything, but one single person don`t ;) 
2018-03-11 15:25 <djphil> there is a console command for "model" something ...
2018-03-11 15:25 <djphil> but I do not know if it works properly ...
2018-03-11 15:25 <djphil> and never see any doc about it :s
2018-03-11 15:27 <BOAN[N]> there is a lot of doc missing so far i can see, or even out  to date 
2018-03-11 15:28 <djphil> know bug lol
2018-03-11 15:28 <djphil> something like avatar archive would be fine
2018-03-11 15:28 <djphil> we could for example have all models archived in bin and just call them for registration (we had this in aurora and it was handy ...) :)
2018-03-11 15:29 <BOAN[N]> i think so, maby not many people to find to work all doc out, to many work 
2018-03-11 15:30 <djphil> maybe offering avatar at registration is considered a "Pro" option ... for exclusive Pay Grid ;p
2018-03-11 15:33 <Priestov> ))))
2018-03-11 15:35 <BOAN[N]> oke, happy for the pay grid, if we will more people to work whit opensim than you need somting so see can work whit it is my idee, and not only doc, what is out to date or missing things so see can`t work it ou hou it work, and the most people can`t great a website system ;) than only work whit wordpress   
2018-03-11 15:35 <djphil> it was just a guess, not an affirmation ^^
2018-03-11 15:35 <Plugh> hm... Does "config get" not handle an apostrophe in the region name?
2018-03-11 15:39 <Plugh> jakdaniels: ping
2018-03-11 15:53 <jakdaniels> Plugh: hi
2018-03-11 15:54 <Plugh> jakdaniels: Howdy. :)
2018-03-11 15:55 <Plugh> I want to make some changes to the way the birds module operates. YOu asked if I was going to fork it. I'm thinking that is the easiest way for me to start some of the changes I'm thinking of making.
2018-03-11 15:55 <Plugh> One thing about the module that is a problem right now is where it looks for its ini files.
2018-03-11 15:55 <jakdaniels> What are your ideas for it?
2018-03-11 15:56 <Plugh> Get the settings from a section named after the region. Don't look for the settings in a specific file.
2018-03-11 15:57 <Plugh> I'm also thinking about adding settings to control the area in which the birds are allowed to fly.
2018-03-11 15:57 <jakdaniels> It does both irc....   so it uses the region named section from the regions.ini file (or from an .ini file in the addon-modules directory)
2018-03-11 15:58 <Plugh> I get a complaint that it can't find the file. It then listens on the default channel and not the one I specified.
2018-03-11 15:59 <Plugh> I had to manually stop the birds, remove them, set the prim name used for the birds, and reenable them to get the birds flying.
2018-03-11 15:59 <jakdaniels> So where are your region based settings?
2018-03-11 15:59 <Plugh> They are in a file called Custom.ini which is in the directory used for the region instance.
2018-03-11 16:00 <Plugh> That file contains custom settings for the region that are different from the defaults set for the rest of the regions in the grid.
2018-03-11 16:00 <jakdaniels> Ah, so is the problem that actually it should look for *all* .ini files in bin/Regions ?
2018-03-11 16:00 <jakdaniels> not just Regions.ini
2018-03-11 16:01 <Plugh> The ini file with the birds setting is not under any bin dir. It is in a dir used for the region specific files.
2018-03-11 16:01 <jakdaniels> It does not get it's setting from the main .ini file (like opensim.ini) or whatever you specify with  -inimaster
2018-03-11 16:01 <Plugh> no
2018-03-11 16:02 <jakdaniels> I'm sure the module honours the main ini setting that says where the region ini's are kept. I too use a non standard directory layout for my opensim instances and it works ok for me...
2018-03-11 16:03 <jakdaniels> but.... it may only be looking for Regions.ini in the region config directory
2018-03-11 16:03 <Plugh> I use -inifile to point to the ini file for the region. That is located in the dir for the region. That ini file then pulls in the other ini files needed including Custom.ini (if it exists).
2018-03-11 16:03 <jakdaniels> regionload_regionsdir in [Startup] in opensim.ini specifies where the region ini is
2018-03-11 16:04 <jakdaniels> ooo. I use -inifile to point to my master (all in one .ini) and then use the above setting to say where the region ini(s) are
2018-03-11 16:04 <Plugh> The code looks in bin/Regions/ for the ini file. If that fails it looks in addon-modules/<regionname>/config/*.ini
2018-03-11 16:05 <Plugh> That also doesn't exist in my setup.
2018-03-11 16:05 <jakdaniels> you need to check what regionload_regionsdir is set to
2018-03-11 16:05 <Plugh> If both of those fail the module is disabled.
2018-03-11 16:06 <jakdaniels> if that still points to bin/Regions and you don't have that directory.... it will not find your settings
2018-03-11 16:06 <Plugh> It points to the Regions dir for the region instance.
2018-03-11 16:07 <jakdaniels> can you show me your directory layout so I can understand? maybe image or ascii art or something? perhaps use 'tree' in linux...
2018-03-11 16:07 <Plugh> hm... It then appends bin/Regions to that path which means it is looking for a dir that would never exist. regionload_regionsdir already points to the dir holding the Regions.ini file.
2018-03-11 16:09 <Plugh> ~/livegrid/instances/<dir holding info for aregion>/ and that dir has the sub-directories of Regions/, ScriptEngines, etc. The Regions/ only holds Regions.ini
2018-03-11 16:09 <Plugh> The <dir holding info for a region>/ has the main ini file for the region which mostly just has some region specific settings, then it includes all the other ini files from a master directory.
2018-03-11 16:10 <Plugh> The Custom.ini file is included in <dir holding info for a region>/ if it exists. That allows me to change, or set, region specific settings.
2018-03-11 16:11 <Plugh> Does the above info help?
2018-03-11 16:11 <Plugh> hm... getting close to lunch time. I should get going.
2018-03-11 16:12 <jakdaniels> I use a similar system.... but all my Region specific stuff from a number of files are all but into a final Regions.ini
2018-03-11 16:12 <Plugh> I think it would be simplier if the module allowed getting its settings from [<RegionName>] section. The code could continue to check the Regions.ini file for the settings first.
2018-03-11 16:13 <jakdaniels> It does that!
2018-03-11 16:13 <Plugh> jakdaniels: ok. Same kind of idea but different location for the regiin specific stuff.
2018-03-11 16:13 <jakdaniels> so I don't keep region settings in bin/Region either
2018-03-11 16:13 <Plugh> um... not quite. It looks in <dir for region>/Regions/bin/Regions/
2018-03-11 16:14 <jakdaniels> I override the location using the option in [Startup]
2018-03-11 16:14 <Plugh> m_regionConfigDir = cnf.GetString("regionload_regionsdir", Path.Combine(Util.configDir(), "bin/Regions/"));
2018-03-11 16:14 <jakdaniels> ok I assume the Regions dir is always sub dir of main ini directory
2018-03-11 16:14 <jakdaniels> as it is under bin
2018-03-11 16:14 <Plugh> ok. I didn't change the setting for regionload_regionsdir. It is the default.
2018-03-11 16:14 <jakdaniels> Can you not change your dir structure slightly?
2018-03-11 16:15 <jakdaniels> I'm not sure it has bin/Regions let me check current code
2018-03-11 16:15 <Plugh> I could but I don't want to. I have a nice clean organization for the files the way it is now.
2018-03-11 16:15 <Plugh> I just showed you the line from the module.
2018-03-11 16:16 <Plugh> We can talk more after I get back from lunch. I do need to go now. ttyl.
2018-03-11 16:16 <jakdaniels> yes.... so it add the setting of regionload_regionsdir to the location of the main config or it defaults it to binRegions/ if the setting is not present
2018-03-11 16:16 <jakdaniels> bin/Regions sorry
2018-03-11 16:20 <jakdaniels> well, you could at least let me finish explaining and then read it later. I might not want to wait until you come back.... :|
2018-03-11 17:38 <jakdaniels> Plugh: When trying to get a region's config in an add-on module, from what I could tell at the time when coding this (years ago now), an INonSharedRegionModule is passed IConfigSource source in the Initialise method. So there I set m_config=source which becomes the module's config.
2018-03-11 17:38 <jakdaniels> When later doing a cnf = m_config.Configs[scene.RegionInfo.RegionName]; you will find that the RegionInfo only contains region parameters read from addon-modules/moduleName/config/*.ini and not any parameters from the instance wide Regions.ini.
2018-03-11 17:38 <jakdaniels> So, not knowing how or if there is a right way to access that global region info directly, I looked to re-reading the main Regions.ini, where ever that may reside. I admit....the code is probably not right. It worked for the default opensim/bin/Regions/Regions.ini and for any root coded path in regionload_regionsdir (which is what I use).
2018-03-11 17:38 <jakdaniels> Perhaps it just needs to call 'public RegionInfo[] LoadRegions()' in opensim/Opensim/ApplicationPlugins/LoadRegions/RegionLoaderFileSystem.cs and use that.
2018-03-11 17:38 <jakdaniels> If you can figure it out, please fork it and send me back a pull request :)
2018-03-11 18:13 <Plugh> jakdaniels: I'm back (sort of). RL kept pulling me away.
2018-03-11 18:14 <Plugh> jakdaniels: ok. I'll make a set of small changes so it will be easier for you to pull whichever changes you want to include in your tree.
2018-03-11 18:19 <jakdaniels> Plugh: I'm sure that the best way to fix this would be to leverage the existing code that reads region info....
2018-03-11 18:20 <Plugh> I don't set the regionsload_regionsdir variable. It appears to point (by default?) to the dir holding the Regions.ini file. 
2018-03-11 18:20 <jakdaniels> if the global RegionInfo is not directly available to an add-on module somehow, then maybe some kind of m_scene.RequestModuleInterface<IRegionLoader .... 
2018-03-11 18:20 <jakdaniels> if you set that ini option to a full path it will work, but only for a Regions.ini at that path
2018-03-11 18:21 <Plugh> You are setting it to a full path?
2018-03-11 18:21 <jakdaniels> it does not do *.ini and *.xml that the IRegionLoader does
2018-03-11 18:22 <jakdaniels> so in my all in one init file I have:
2018-03-11 18:22 <jakdaniels> regionload_regionsdir = /home/opensim/MIOS/Instances/Bullet256a/ConfigOut/Regions/
2018-03-11 18:22 <jakdaniels> There it finds the Regions.ini file and reads that
2018-03-11 18:24 <Plugh> ok. And the file with the birds settings is under bin/Regions in the folder?
2018-03-11 18:24 <jakdaniels> and that Regions.ini has all of the region's info in it, which was combined from various files in my config build tree into one file
2018-03-11 18:25 <jakdaniels> its /home/opensim/MIOS/Instances/Bullet256a/ConfigOut/Regions/Regions.ini
2018-03-11 18:25 <jakdaniels> All the region parameters for that region
2018-03-11 18:25 <jakdaniels> As I said it does not read multiple region type inis in the directory... only Regions.ini
2018-03-11 18:26 <jakdaniels> which is why using the existing IRegionLoader code would be much better
2018-03-11 18:29 <Plugh> oh, ok. The code currently appends bin/Regions/ to the regionload_regionsdir setting when it first looks for the settings. I'll have to look more closely at what the module is doing to find its settings.
2018-03-11 18:30 <jakdaniels> no it doesn't
2018-03-11 18:30 <jakdaniels> m_regionConfigDir = cnf.GetString("regionload_regionsdir", Path.Combine(Util.configDir(), "bin/Regions/"));
2018-03-11 18:30 <jakdaniels> if regionload_regionsdir is not found then it defaults to Path.Combine(Util.configDir(), "bin/Regions/") which = opensim/bin/Regions
2018-03-11 18:31 <jakdaniels> at least it was when it tested it
2018-03-11 18:34 <jakdaniels> but maybe that should read Path.Combine(Util.configDir(), "Regions")   ... which is what I see in other code
2018-03-11 18:34 <jakdaniels> but.... you need to set regionload_regionsdir
2018-03-11 18:35 <Plugh> I'm not setting it. I'm letting OS set it.
2018-03-11 18:36 <jakdaniels> so what would that directory be then on your setup, with regionload_regionsdir not set?
2018-03-11 18:45 <Plugh> The default value points to the location where my Regions.ini file is located.
2018-03-11 18:46 <Plugh> To get the full path to the actual Regions.ini I would just need to append Regions.ini to the value of regionsload_regionsdir.
2018-03-11 18:46 <jakdaniels> Can you not just put the birds options into that file?
2018-03-11 18:47 <jakdaniels> I already do that: string moduleConfigFile = Path.Combine(m_regionConfigDir, "Regions.ini");
2018-03-11 18:47 <Plugh> I could for two of the grids I work on. But not in a third that has a grid management program that generates the Regions.ini file from a database.
2018-03-11 18:49 <jakdaniels> Ah ok. :) :) extend the database?? lol. ok well I use many different global and region config sources and combine them into a single global ini and a single region ini for each region. I can see your problem with the db produced one.
2018-03-11 18:50 <jakdaniels> The module will be looking at that db created regions.ini. But of course will not find the settings.
2018-03-11 18:50 <Plugh> m_regionConfigDir is set to Util.configDir() or to "bin/Regions/" but I'm not sure what the Util setting points to.
2018-03-11 18:50 <jakdaniels> As I said, the module doesn't look for *.ini and *.xml
2018-03-11 18:50 <Plugh> jakdaniels: right
2018-03-11 18:50 <Plugh> It doesn't need to.
2018-03-11 18:51 <jakdaniels> so the birds settings are in that Regions.ini produced from the db?
2018-03-11 18:51 <Plugh> Oh. I think I see what its doing. I forgot how the Get functions work. 
2018-03-11 18:52 <Plugh> The bin/Regions is a default if there is no regionload_regionsdir found. That's ok as a fallback but should not be necessary as it appears to be getting set by default so it would always exist.
2018-03-11 18:54 <jakdaniels> if your birds setting are in another.ini in the regionload_regionsdir or opensim/bin/Regions then they will not be found.
2018-03-11 19:08 <Plugh> My settings are in another ini but if it just looks for [<Region name>] the settings would be found.
2018-03-11 19:09 <Plugh> I'll put in some debug messages to check what its doing.
2018-03-11 19:09 <Plugh> Oh. I'd also like to change BirdsModuleStartup to something that says Enabled.
2018-03-11 19:09 <jakdaniels> that's what I did. But the code only looks for Regions.ini [<RegionName>]
2018-03-11 19:13 <Plugh> hm... in my standalone I'm getting the message -> No region section [OAR files] found in addon-modules/OpenSimBirds/config/*.ini configuration files.
2018-03-11 19:14 <Plugh> The *.ini reference appears to be part of moduleConfigFile.
2018-03-11 19:16 <Plugh> Ah. I see what needs to be done. 
2018-03-11 19:17 <Plugh> Oh. that path with *.ini is partly hard-coded in to an error message.
2018-03-11 19:17 <Plugh> "[{0}]: No region section [{1}] found in addon-modules/{2}/config/*.ini configuration files."
2018-03-11 19:18 <Plugh> That's not right as that may not be where it was actually looking.
2018-03-11 19:18 <jakdaniels> ubit: :) In 'public void Initialise (IConfigSource source)' in my addon-modules/ Region module, a config source is passed in. So I set 'm_config=source' and then in 'public void AddRegion (Scene scene)' access that config with 'cnf = m_config.Configs[scene.RegionInfo.RegionName];'. I only get [RegionName] config data from the files in addon-modules/moduleName/config/*.ini. How do we access the other [RegionName] info pulled from the 
2018-03-11 19:18 <jakdaniels> IRegionLoader *.ini and *.xml files? Or have these not been read yet? 
2018-03-11 19:18 <Plugh> it should have used the value of m_regionConfigDir in the error message.
2018-03-11 19:19 <jakdaniels> ubit: google doesn't know what Ubit does... ;)
2018-03-11 19:19 <Plugh> You need to figure out how to plug Ubit in to Google. :)
2018-03-11 19:19 <Plugh> I better fork this code so before I start making changes to it.
2018-03-11 19:20 <Plugh> s/so//
2018-03-11 19:22 <jakdaniels> yes do. Send me a pull request if you fix it
2018-03-11 19:22 <Plugh> will do.
2018-03-11 19:23 <Plugh> I may take a break to go for a walk before I do more code work. I know what changes I'll be making.
2018-03-11 19:25 <jakdaniels> if we had all of the [RegionName] info in IConfigSource source when the module is initialised then we wouldn't need any of this code ;)
2018-03-11 19:25 <Plugh> In my case the values should be available. The only reason to keep some of the code is in case you put the settings in the Regions.ini file.
2018-03-11 19:27 <Plugh> Oh, I just remembered that github has an option to fork a project. Figures that the search feature can't find the original module. :P
2018-03-11 19:28 <Plugh> hehe... I'm making a fork of a fork. :)
2018-03-11 19:28 <jakdaniels> no... it should be handled by IRegionLoader  from *.ini and *.xml but that info does not seem to be available in IConfigSource source for addon-modules.
2018-03-11 19:29 <jakdaniels> that's why I pinged Ubit.... I'm sure he knows why ;)
2018-03-11 19:31 <Plugh> Um... automatically picking up changes in *.ini can lead to problems. I don't want OS to do that unless I ask for it to be done. 
2018-03-11 19:33 <Plugh> I've forked the code and updated the description to make it clear it is a fork of your version.
2018-03-11 19:33 <jakdaniels> I didn't say it did that. It only loads config during public void AddRegion (Scene scene)
2018-03-11 19:38 <Plugh> ok. I misunderstood what you meant when you referenced *.ini and *.xml earlier.
2018-03-11 19:46 <Plugh> I've made the changes that check for and get the configuration settings. I'll test it later. I'm going for a walk.
2018-03-11 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #8303:04 Avatar Profiles off 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8303 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-03-11 20:27 <osmantis> Bug #8303:04 Avatar Profiles off 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8303 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-11 21:23 <Plugh> I'm back.
2018-03-11 21:23 <Plugh> jakdaniels: I ran in to another interesting situation.
2018-03-11 21:24 <Plugh> jakdaniels: I have a standalone and I have it configured to run two regions. I have separate ini files in the Regions directory. 
2018-03-11 21:56 <Plugh> It may be necessary to make it a shared module.
2018-03-11 21:59 <osmantis> Bug #8300:04 Request guidance on placement of money plugin economymodule setting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8300 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-11 22:03 <jakdaniels> No.this module needs unique settings and state per region (scene). 
2018-03-11 22:04 <jakdaniels> so easier done as a nonshared module...
2018-03-11 22:04 <jakdaniels> I still think the best solution would be that when getting 'IConfigSource source' in the Initialise method of a addon-modules/ Region module that the source contains *all* of the region config files info and not the just info from addon-modules/moduleName/config/*.ini. That way we wouldn't need to re-read the instance's region configs.
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2018-03-12 15:51 <Plugh> jakdaniels: I was thinking about two of the settings. I'm thinking of making the Enabled one the one that determines if the module will do anything or not. The Startup one I'm thinking of renaming to ShowOnStartup to control whether the birds appear as soon as the region starts.
2018-03-12 15:54 <jakdaniels> Plugh: thing is you want to be able to enable and disable (the term I used) the birds from the console or in-world without disabling the module (so it stop listening in-world for commands)
2018-03-12 15:54 <jakdaniels> sorry I mean you don't want it to stop listening
2018-03-12 15:55 <jakdaniels> maybe birds-create and birds-destroy would be better replacements for birds-enable and birds-disable
2018-03-12 15:55 <Plugh> If I don't plan on using the module in a given region I want to disable it. If disabled I don't want it listening for commands.
2018-03-12 15:56 <jakdaniels> so we have birds-stop birds-start these start and stop existing bird prims from flying
2018-03-12 15:56 <jakdaniels> and birds-create and birds-destroy to initialise and create or remove the prims from the scene
2018-03-12 15:57 <jakdaniels> and then you can use in the ini: BirdsEnabled=true/false to replace BirdsModuleStartup=true/false
2018-03-12 15:57 <jakdaniels> so Enabled then is about module enabling not birds enabling
2018-03-12 15:59 <Plugh> Right. I was just thinking of changing the meaning/name of the two settings I mentioned for now. Other commands (the ones you mentioned) could be changed later
2018-03-12 16:01 <Plugh> I'm waiting for a program to finish compiling. Once its done I can do more testing of the changes I've made so far.
2018-03-12 16:01 <jakdaniels> you would need to change birds-enable to birds-create and birds-disable to birds-destroy and also the ini options too and some of the variable names used (like m_enabled to m_created) etc
2018-03-12 16:01 <Plugh> The program can take about a half hour to compile. :P
2018-03-12 16:01 <jakdaniels> ?
2018-03-12 16:02 <Plugh> Right. If I do want to change some settings there will be several places changes need to be made.
2018-03-12 16:02 <Plugh> The information NC would also need to be updated.
2018-03-12 16:02 <Plugh> jakdaniels: A program written in C++. C++ programs always seem to take ages to build.
2018-03-12 16:03 <jakdaniels> oh sorry, missed that...
2018-03-12 16:03 <jakdaniels> yeah they build slowly
2018-03-12 16:03 <Plugh> 78% done 
2018-03-12 16:24 <Plugh> Compile finished and program installed. Now I can get back to testing (if I have any time left before lunch).
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2018-03-12 16:29 <Plugh> Hm... "config get" doesn't show all settings.
2018-03-12 16:35 <Plugh> Lunch time. bbl.
2018-03-12 20:15 <Plugh> hm... Is the use of constant substitution not supported in an Include line?
2018-03-12 20:47 <smxy> Plugh: Correct. Pretty much everywhere BUT there.
2018-03-12 20:47 <Plugh> :P
2018-03-12 20:48 <smxy> The Includes are processed before the subsitutions.
2018-03-12 20:48 <smxy> substitutions*
2018-03-12 20:48 <Plugh> oh, ok. 
2018-03-12 20:50 <Plugh> Too bad. It would have been nice. I wanted to set a path in one place and use it elsewhere to point to an include to be read.
2018-03-12 20:58 <Plugh> jakdaniels: Do the birds maintain a minimum height above the terrain?
2018-03-12 20:59 <Plugh> and do they adjust that minimum height to variations in the terrain height?
2018-03-12 21:39 <Priestov> hi all. What is the BetaGridLikeMoneyModule? 
2018-03-12 21:40 <Priestov> where it can be found?
2018-03-12 21:43 <Bill_Blight> I do believe it is core code Priestov
2018-03-12 21:43 <Priestov> )))
2018-03-12 21:44 <Bill_Blight> \OpenSim\Region\OptionalModules\World
2018-03-12 21:44 <Priestov> But this is in the section opensim.ini
2018-03-12 21:45 <Priestov> economymodule = BetaGridLikeMoneyModule
2018-03-12 21:45 <Bill_Blight>         public string Name
2018-03-12 21:45 <Bill_Blight>         {
2018-03-12 21:45 <Bill_Blight>             get { return "BetaGridLikeMoneyModule"; }
2018-03-12 21:45 <Bill_Blight>         }
2018-03-12 21:45 <Bill_Blight> from the money module in source
2018-03-12 21:45 <Bill_Blight> it is that module
2018-03-12 21:46 <Priestov> it is just example?
2018-03-12 21:46 <Bill_Blight> buy and sell for zero only
2018-03-12 21:49 <Priestov> thanks
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2018-03-13 02:28 <djphil> Hmmm strange, i recieve a Email from opensim mantis (7885) and my mailbox detect it as Phishing mail ... https://ibb.co/etC73S
2018-03-13 02:29 <djphil> it's not phishing mail but why is it detected as being one ... ?
2018-03-13 02:52 <Plugh> Possibly due to a URL in the message
2018-03-13 02:55 <djphil> yeah maibee due to the .cs inside ...
2018-03-13 02:55 <djphil> .cs url i mean
2018-03-13 03:01 <osmantis> Bug #8304:04 Random textures are getting stuck in request queue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8304 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-03-13 03:05 <osmantis> Bug #8275:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] llStopSound has no effect on llPlaySound or llTriggerSound etc ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8275 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-03-13 09:35 <osmantis> Bug #8282:04 Settings PRIM_NORMAL, PRIM_SPECULAR, PRIM_ALPHA_MODE, not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8282 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-13 11:43 <andsim> hi i am having troublemarrk inbi can u help https://pastebin.com/qBUy8QgT
2018-03-13 12:04 <andsim> hi i am having troublemaker ini can u help https://pastebin.com/qBUy8QgT
2018-03-13 17:20 <Plugh> jakdaniels: ping
2018-03-13 17:54 <Plugh> The weekly opensim developer meeting will be starting in about 5 minutes.
2018-03-13 17:54 <Plugh> Special notice for those of you who haven't yet changed your clocks forward an hour.
2018-03-13 18:04 <Bill_Blight> dev meeting now or is it an hour later?
2018-03-13 18:04 <Bill_Blight> ahh nvm
2018-03-13 21:05 <andsim> iu am stuck guys why i cant get sim to boot this error https://pastebin.com/qBUy8QgT
2018-03-13 21:07 <Priestov> standalone?
2018-03-13 21:07 <andsim> nope\
2018-03-13 21:08 <andsim> grid\
2018-03-13 21:08 <andsim> want my ini?
2018-03-13 21:08 <Priestov> mysql use?
2018-03-13 21:08 <andsim> yes
2018-03-13 21:10 <andsim>  this my testing grid before i go live on my server
2018-03-13 21:10 <Priestov> do you create bases in mysql?
2018-03-13 21:11 <andsim> i did. sndd user nsme i am not dumb
2018-03-13 21:12 <Priestov> and add settings MySQL in GridCommon.ini and Robust.ini?
2018-03-13 21:12 <andsim> snd permission
2018-03-13 21:13 <andsim> i add in onr ini
2018-03-13 21:13 <Priestov> ?
2018-03-13 21:13 <andsim> obne*
2018-03-13 21:13 <andsim> one*
2018-03-13 21:13 <Priestov> ??
2018-03-13 21:14 <andsim> all in opensim
2018-03-13 21:14 <andsim> .ini
2018-03-13 21:15 <andsim> and robust
2018-03-13 21:15 <Priestov> add settings in GridCommon.ini and Robust.ini
2018-03-13 21:16 <andsim> gridcommon is inside of opensim.ini
2018-03-13 21:16 <andsim> robust boot fdine
2018-03-13 21:16 <andsim> fine*
2018-03-13 21:18 <andsim> and should work
2018-03-13 21:19 <andsim> but it not
2018-03-13 21:19 <Priestov> hm
2018-03-13 21:20 <andsim> give moment get ini copy to pastebin
2018-03-13 21:29 <andsim> https://pastebin.com/u9Em8ZpE
2018-03-13 21:30 <andsim> w9o password not like last time *
2018-03-13 21:31 <Bill_Blight> Prieestov why is your HGassetservice commented ou?
2018-03-13 21:31 <Bill_Blight> out
2018-03-13 21:32 <Priestov> my?
2018-03-13 21:32 <Bill_Blight> where is your robust.ini
2018-03-13 21:32 <Bill_Blight> ;[HGAssetService]
2018-03-13 21:32 <Bill_Blight> it has a ; in front of it
2018-03-13 21:32 <Bill_Blight> that makes it a comment
2018-03-13 21:32 <Bill_Blight>  ;   HomeURI = "${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}"
2018-03-13 21:32 <andsim> robust boot fdine
2018-03-13 21:33 <andsim> ook
2018-03-13 21:33 <Bill_Blight> You have a lot of things commented out you should not
2018-03-13 21:34 <Bill_Blight> your grid common is commented out
2018-03-13 21:35 <andsim> comment one reason is like this on my grid
2018-03-13 21:35 <Bill_Blight> is your robust running on port 9000?
2018-03-13 21:35 <andsim> no
2018-03-13 21:35 <Bill_Blight>   PublicPort = "9000"
2018-03-13 21:35 <Bill_Blight> that needs to be the public port of your robust
2018-03-13 21:35 <Bill_Blight> in the [Const] section
2018-03-13 21:36 <Plugh> That's the default value for a standalone. 8002 would be expected for a grid.
2018-03-13 21:36 <andsim> ok give moment  i need to fix
2018-03-13 21:37 <Bill_Blight>      ;http_listener_port = 9200 that is commented out too
2018-03-13 21:37 <Bill_Blight> this is never going to work without these settings
2018-03-13 21:39 <andsim> i had comment waS TEST WHEERE IS ISSUES IS
2018-03-13 21:39 <Bill_Blight> even all your xengine stuff is commented out
2018-03-13 21:39 <andsim> oops ssorry for cap
2018-03-13 21:39 <Plugh> andsim: What are you working on today?
2018-03-13 21:39 <Bill_Blight> well your error was Iassetservice, so that is the first clue, mainly it could not contact your grid asset server because you had the main public port wrong
2018-03-13 21:40 <andsim> test get grid
2018-03-13 21:40 <andsim> befor i go love
2018-03-13 21:40 <andsim> live*
2018-03-13 21:40 <Bill_Blight> 2018-03-13 07:34:49,185 FATAL Fatal error: System.Exception: No IAssetService available.
2018-03-13 21:40 <Bill_Blight>   at OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.Scene.get_AssetService () [0x00022] in <7a1ae2ed21e147668f0321aab738a7d4>:0
2018-03-13 21:41 <Bill_Blight> that is telling you it cannot contact the asset server
2018-03-13 21:41 <andsim> i tying get someone to do it never going to happen
2018-03-13 21:42 <andsim> that why i am doing a test on my vmware
2018-03-13 21:42 <andsim> i know
2018-03-13 21:43 <Bill_Blight>   ; For a grid these will usually be the externally accessible IP/DNS
2018-03-13 21:43 <Bill_Blight>     ; name and use default public port 8002 and default private port 8003
2018-03-13 21:43 <Bill_Blight>     ; For a standalone this will usually be the externally accessible IP/DNS
2018-03-13 21:43 <Bill_Blight>     ; name and use default public port 9000. The private port is not used
2018-03-13 21:43 <Bill_Blight>     ; in the configuration for a standalone.
2018-03-13 21:43 <Plugh> well, never say never. You've been requesting or making several changes related to your grid configuration over the last few days. Hard for someone to keep up. 
2018-03-13 21:43 <Plugh> andsim: Did you get the jopensim/joomla stuff set up?
2018-03-13 21:46 <andsim> yes i saw 500 error i dont know what it issue might be php.ini
2018-03-13 21:47 <andsim> right now i worry on sim then jopensim
2018-03-13 21:47 <Bill_Blight> well one of the 500 errors is the fact that it uses http to connec to your asset server and it was on the wrong port .. as far as jopensim search it will throw an error on module loading but that is ok, it is due to not everything being loaded, Ubit and I talked about that, it will work after that on search runs
2018-03-13 21:48 <andsim> yeah i am fixing hope it run
2018-03-13 21:52 <Bill_Blight> Also just a FYI, don't comment out section headings, for testing, some of those are needed , if you comment out the headings it may not start simply because of that .
2018-03-13 21:53 <Plugh> Commenting out section headings can put settings in the previous section.
2018-03-13 21:53 <Plugh> That could cause issues.
2018-03-13 21:54 <andsim_linux> there i can see the chat and copy if i need to
2018-03-13 21:55 <andsim_linux> running test grid on my vm
2018-03-13 21:56 <andsim_linux> ok error is come up again
2018-03-13 21:56 <Bill_Blight> No errors on robust?
2018-03-13 21:56 <andsim_linux> nope
2018-03-13 21:57 <Bill_Blight> send your uncommented opensim.ini, GridHyperGrid.ini, and GridCommon.ini, with passwords removed of course
2018-03-13 21:57 <Plugh> 500 error is probably something wrong with the configuration for a PHP script.
2018-03-13 21:57 <Plugh> or a syntax error in the script itself.
2018-03-13 21:58 <andsim_linux> i know
2018-03-13 21:58 <andsim_linux> that will be last thing to do
2018-03-13 21:59 <Bill_Blight> asset server will throw a 500 erro as well if it is looking at the wrong port it will throw a 500 error
2018-03-13 21:59 <andsim_linux> sim is my  biggest problem
2018-03-13 21:59 <andsim_linux> my sim*
2018-03-13 22:00 <Bill_Blight> but the first 500 error on the search is to be expected due to module loading order, it is a known issue
2018-03-13 22:00 <andsim_linux> ah ok
2018-03-13 22:01 <andsim_linux>   http_listener_port = 9000
2018-03-13 22:01 <andsim_linux> is set
2018-03-13 22:02 <Bill_Blight> send your configs to paste bin the ones I stated above
2018-03-13 22:02 <andsim_linux> ok need to remove password
2018-03-13 22:03 <Plugh> Bill, I haven't heard of a 500 error in normal use. What throws it and what is causing it to be thrown due to order of module loading?
2018-03-13 22:04 <Bill_Blight> the jopensim module gets loaded before the http module I think 
2018-03-13 22:04 <Bill_Blight> causes the error
2018-03-13 22:04 <Bill_Blight> but it works after that
2018-03-13 22:04 <Bill_Blight> just throws the error on startup
2018-03-13 22:04 <andsim_linux> https://pastebin.com/Q0mGuQeh
2018-03-13 22:04 <Bill_Blight> I'd have to go back and look at my notes, to see what it was, but it is one of those NON-error errors
2018-03-13 22:05 <Plugh> oh, ok. So it is specific to the use of jopensim.
2018-03-13 22:05 <Bill_Blight> yep I was right
2018-03-13 22:05 <Bill_Blight>  ; Include-Architecture = "config-include/GridHypergrid.ini"
2018-03-13 22:05 <Bill_Blight> you have that commented out
2018-03-13 22:05 <Bill_Blight> and you need to rename the example GridCommon example to ini
2018-03-13 22:06 <Bill_Blight> and in your GridHyperGrid you need to take t he comments off the includes
2018-03-13 22:06 <Plugh> The module needs some change. IIRC, there is a way to delay what it does until some other condition is met.
2018-03-13 22:06 <Bill_Blight> and make sure your GridCommon.ini is configured correctly
2018-03-13 22:06 <Plugh> That something for the jopensim people to fix.
2018-03-13 22:06 <Bill_Blight> you are 100% correct Plugh, but at the same time, it works after the fact
2018-03-13 22:07 <Bill_Blight> that error is just annoying
2018-03-13 22:07 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2018-03-13 22:07 <Plugh> Sounds like my dinner is just about ready. I'll be going afk any time now.
2018-03-13 22:08 <Bill_Blight> Andsim, you are not even getting all the configs loaded, the GridHypergrid.ini is required in grid mode to connect, and the rest of the settings are in the GridCommon.ini, no wonder your sim is having a heart attack
2018-03-13 22:11 <andsim_linux> i know looking over my live and compare with my live
2018-03-13 22:12 <andsim_linux> test*
2018-03-13 22:16 <andsim_linux> grr open sim give error port issues
2018-03-13 22:16 <andsim_linux> after crash
2018-03-13 22:17 <andsim_linux> this mean i need to reelog
2018-03-13 22:23 <Bill_Blight> send me your Robust.ini
2018-03-13 22:24 <Bill_Blight> just because it starts does not mean it is right
2018-03-13 22:24 <andsim_linux> ok hold on
2018-03-13 22:28 <andsim_linux> https://pastebin.com/RQiVpr9q
2018-03-13 22:30 <Bill_Blight> your HomeURI and GatekeeperURI's are commented out
2018-03-13 22:31 <Bill_Blight> what error were you getting now?
2018-03-13 22:31 <andsim_linux> in robust?
2018-03-13 22:31 <Bill_Blight> yes in robust
2018-03-13 22:31 <andsim_linux> ok fixing that
2018-03-13 22:33 <andsim_linux> of srv?
2018-03-13 22:34 <Bill_Blight> [Hypergrid]
2018-03-13 22:34 <Bill_Blight>     ;# {HomeURI} {Hypergrid} {The Home URL of this world} {}
2018-03-13 22:34 <Bill_Blight>     ;; This is the address of the external robust server that
2018-03-13 22:34 <Bill_Blight>     ;; runs the UserAgentsService, possibly this server.
2018-03-13 22:34 <Bill_Blight>     ;; For example http://myworld.com:8002
2018-03-13 22:34 <Bill_Blight>     ;; This is a default that can be overwritten in some sections.
2018-03-13 22:34 <Bill_Blight>    ; HomeURI = "${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}"
2018-03-13 22:34 <Bill_Blight>     ;# {GatekeeperURI} {Hypergrid} {The URL of the gatekeeper of this world} {}
2018-03-13 22:34 <Bill_Blight>     ;; This is the address of the external robust server
2018-03-13 22:34 <Bill_Blight>     ;; that runs the Gatekeeper service, possibly this server.
2018-03-13 22:34 <Bill_Blight>     ;; For example http://myworld.com:8002
2018-03-13 22:34 <Bill_Blight>     ;; This is a default that can be overwritten in some sections.
2018-03-13 22:37 <Bill_Blight> What is the error you get when starting your region now?
2018-03-13 22:38 <Bill_Blight> and did you actually configure your GridCommon.ini or just rename it?
2018-03-13 22:40 <andsim_linux> back port issues
2018-03-13 22:40 <andsim_linux> needc relog brb
2018-03-13 22:43 <andsim_linux> back 
2018-03-13 22:43 <Bill_Blight> port issue generally means something is already running on that port
2018-03-13 22:43 <Bill_Blight> what port do you have assigned to the region in it's config
2018-03-13 22:43 <andsim_linux> same
2018-03-13 22:43 <andsim_linux> 9000
2018-03-13 22:44 <Bill_Blight> change your http_listener_port =  to something like 9090 in your opensim.ini and set the same on the region, do you have more than one region?
2018-03-13 22:45 <andsim_linux> no different it mono bug won let go
2018-03-13 22:46 <andsim_linux> i notices'
2018-03-13 22:46 <Bill_Blight> hmmm
2018-03-13 22:46 <Bill_Blight> have not had the problem for a long time
2018-03-13 22:46 <Bill_Blight> what mono version?
2018-03-13 22:47 <andsim_linux> Mono JIT compiler version 4.6.2 (Debian 4.6.2.7+dfsg-1
2018-03-13 22:47 <Bill_Blight> well there ya go
2018-03-13 22:47 <Plugh> ?
2018-03-13 22:47 <andsim_linux> uh
2018-03-13 22:47 <Bill_Blight> I had that issue with older mono
2018-03-13 22:47 <Bill_Blight> have not touched that old of a mono in a while
2018-03-13 22:48 <andsim_linux> ok
2018-03-13 22:48 <andsim_linux> wat i mut do
2018-03-13 22:48 <andsim_linux> must
2018-03-13 22:48 <Plugh> It isn't that old a mono. It just seems that way as they have been bumping up their version numbers rather quickly these days.
2018-03-13 22:48 <Bill_Blight> best bet at this point kill all the mono processes , and fire robust up and try again, if it still tells you you can't get the port then somewhere you have conflicting port settings
2018-03-13 22:49 <Bill_Blight> are you compiling from master andsim?
2018-03-13 22:49 <andsim_linux> i did that no only way is relog
2018-03-13 22:49 <andsim_linux> striaght os website
2018-03-13 22:49 <Plugh> netstat can give you an indication of what is grabbing the port.
2018-03-13 22:50 <andsim_linux> oh ty i forgot
2018-03-13 22:50 <Bill_Blight> wait , are you compiling or just using the binary distro
2018-03-13 22:50 <andsim_linux> BINARY ATM
2018-03-13 22:51 <andsim_linux> cap
2018-03-13 22:51 <andsim_linux> sorry
2018-03-13 22:51 <Bill_Blight> that may be part of the issue
2018-03-13 22:51 <Bill_Blight> the Core Jenkins was , unless I am wrong, using a much older version of mono to compile
2018-03-13 22:52 <Bill_Blight> so even though your mono is not that  old, the issues could still be there
2018-03-13 22:52 <andsim_linux> hmm
2018-03-13 22:52 <Plugh> Hm... I'm not sure what machine is used to run jenkins. It doesn't appear to be the os.org machine.
2018-03-13 22:52 <Bill_Blight> have you just rebooted the VM?
2018-03-13 22:53 <Bill_Blight> "When in doubt , power out"
2018-03-13 22:54 <andsim_linux> https://pastebin.com/dMYGVZmP
2018-03-13 22:55 <andsim_linux> it not that as u see it boot part away
2018-03-13 22:55 <andsim_linux> and asking me imput
2018-03-13 22:56 <Plugh> andsim_linux: Are you setting this up on your home machine?
2018-03-13 22:56 <andsim_linux> vm
2018-03-13 22:56 <andsim_linux> only testing only
2018-03-13 22:57 <Bill_Blight> that estate error is normal on startup if the estate is not found, and you have no estate for that region yet
2018-03-13 22:57 <andsim_linux> before i roll out to live grid
2018-03-13 22:57 <andsim_linux> i knew
2018-03-13 22:58 <Plugh> The EstateDataService line is commented out in Robust.ini
2018-03-13 22:58 <andsim_linux> if i didnt see that i get ort error bwefore
2018-03-13 22:59 <andsim_linux> usining database
2018-03-13 22:59 <Plugh> Do you have a connection string set for estate in the common ini file?
2018-03-13 23:00 <andsim_linux> inside opensim.ini yes
2018-03-13 23:00 <Bill_Blight> you don't need an estate connection string, but if you want to use centralized estate manangement to the grid you would want one
2018-03-13 23:00 <andsim_linux> right
2018-03-13 23:01 <Plugh> I do have a grid with EstateDataService commented out in Robust.ini so that shouldn't be the cause of the estate error.
2018-03-13 23:02 <Bill_Blight> yes you don't need that unless 1.) you want to store estate info in a separte DB from the grid, or 2.) in the regions you want them to connect to a central estate DB
2018-03-13 23:02 <andsim_linux> robust shown no error
2018-03-13 23:05 <andsim_linux> https://pastebin.com/KtSf8XbP
2018-03-13 23:06 <Bill_Blight> ummm 2018-03-13 18:52:39,055 INFO  [REGION SERVER]: Starting HTTP server on port 9000
2018-03-13 23:06 <Bill_Blight> 2018-03-13 18:52:39,056 INFO  [BASE HTTP SERVER]: Starting HTTP server on port 9000
2018-03-13 23:07 <andsim_linux> bill_blight want remove my linux box?
2018-03-13 23:07 <andsim_linux> remote*
2018-03-13 23:07 <andsim_linux> vm
2018-03-13 23:08 <Bill_Blight> you have an IM
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2018-03-14 00:55 <andsim> question when ig it say unable to verify id
2018-03-14 00:56 <andsim> identify
2018-03-14 00:56 <andsim> to h g
2018-03-14 00:56 <andsim> is this port not open?
2018-03-14 01:07 <andsim> pLugh: ping
2018-03-14 01:10 <andsim> Plugh: ping
2018-03-14 01:11 <Plugh> Sounds like a configuration problem.
2018-03-14 01:12 <andsim> where this causing
2018-03-14 01:16 <Plugh> I'm trying to remember what were the reasons that you might see that message. I think one possibility had to do with DNS.
2018-03-14 01:17 <andsim> ah yes i need t port fortward to grid
2018-03-14 01:18 <andsim> lest test grid
2018-03-14 01:18 <andsim> i am in behind firewall or in router
2018-03-14 01:19 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2018-03-14 01:19 <Plugh> If you want to access that grid/region from outside of your machine you will need to allow access to the public port addresses
2018-03-14 01:20 <andsim> soo 8002
2018-03-14 01:21 <Plugh> and the port used by the region.
2018-03-14 01:21 <Plugh> There is a page about firewall configuration for Open Simulator -> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Firewall_Settings
2018-03-14 01:21 <andsim> public port is 8002
2018-03-14 01:22 <Bill_Blight> YOu will also need to setup the grid so it thinks it is running on the public IP's or it will get a IP mismatch and fail verification , also for the region
2018-03-14 01:22 <Plugh> hm... that page only cover the use of standalone.
2018-03-14 01:23 <Bill_Blight> so your regions will have to have the external IP in the external hostname
2018-03-14 01:23 <andsim> useally region sshouldnt be access
2018-03-14 01:24 <andsim> yes but in sandalone but not grid mode
2018-03-14 01:25 <andsim> so grid need to use my net ip
2018-03-14 01:34 <Bill_Blight> well even on a standalone, if behind a firewall the region should have the external IP under external hostname
2018-03-14 01:37 <andsim> yay region is untouuch
2018-03-14 01:38 <andsim> yea only standalone is  neeed external i[p
2018-03-14 01:39 <andsim> grid is need
2018-03-14 01:42 <Bill_Blight> networking 101, to grant external access not only does the port need to be open, but have to tell them where to get external access, and this is what putting the external IP does ..  When the region registers if it does not have the external IP, it will register with the internal IP and when an incoming request comes in , from the outside via Robust, robust can only answer with what it 
2018-03-14 01:42 <Bill_Blight> knows.  If Robust only knows that the region is on an internal IP that is all it is going to tell the incoming agent.  Incoming agent does not have access to the internal IP only the external IP and the port.
2018-03-14 01:43 <andsim> therefore i much open port for them
2018-03-14 01:44 <Bill_Blight> That is all of course based on granting access to people outside your lan or nat network, 
2018-03-14 01:44 <Bill_Blight> yes the robust ports and the region ports have to be open, 
2018-03-14 01:44 <andsim> ok that is esy
2018-03-14 01:44 <Bill_Blight> and in the region file ExternalHostName must equal your external address
2018-03-14 01:45 <andsim> and will be set in cost
2018-03-14 01:45 <andsim> conbst*
2018-03-14 01:45 <Bill_Blight> also your base uRL in robust must be your external IP or hostname if you want it to work right
2018-03-14 01:45 <Bill_Blight> NO
2018-03-14 01:45 <Bill_Blight> region external hostname does not get set in CONST
2018-03-14 01:45 <Bill_Blight> it is in the region ini file
2018-03-14 01:45 <andsim> why
2018-03-14 01:45 <Bill_Blight> OMG
2018-03-14 01:45 <Bill_Blight> sorry
2018-03-14 01:46 <Bill_Blight> but not all regions in robust may not always be on the same server
2018-03-14 01:46 <andsim> yea my is atm
2018-03-14 01:46 <andsim> and my live grid is
2018-03-14 01:47 <andsim> too
2018-03-14 01:47 <andsim> soo why not set it there
2018-03-14 01:52 <Bill_Blight> because regions DON'T get their config from the other INI's for starters
2018-03-14 01:52 <Bill_Blight> the region ini's that is
2018-03-14 01:53 <Bill_Blight> besides how hard is it to set your external IP in the region file?
2018-03-14 01:53 <Bill_Blight> sorry about the OMG and the apparent short patience , that is the Beer talking
2018-03-14 01:54 <Bill_Blight> But go ahead and do it how you think and see if it works ....
2018-03-14 01:54 <andsim> i look everywhere in opensimn.ini it got none so it point to one exterhostname in aconst
2018-03-14 01:54 <andsim> const*
2018-03-14 02:01 <Bill_Blight> HAHAHAHA
2018-03-14 02:02 <Bill_Blight> The REGION ini file
2018-03-14 02:02 <andsim> ooo forgot
2018-03-14 02:02 <andsim> shh
2018-03-14 02:02 <andsim> now got port issues
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2018-03-14 02:08 <andsim> Plugh what command to port port
2018-03-14 02:09 <andsim> to see port
2018-03-14 02:09 <Plugh> netstat -an
2018-03-14 02:11 <andsim> yes it there
2018-03-14 02:11 <andsim> blocking it
2018-03-14 02:12 <andsim> look like relog or there away remoce
2018-03-14 02:12 <andsim> remove*
2018-03-14 02:14 <Plugh> netstat just shows what ports are in use or ready for incoming connections. If you need to check the firewall you use iptables -L
2018-03-14 02:15 <andsim> nope i have no firewall on system,
2018-03-14 02:18 <Plugh> Do you have a router between the machine and the internet?
2018-03-14 02:19 <Plugh> If you do it may require some configuration to forward the ports you are using to the machine.
2018-03-14 02:24 <andsim> yes
2018-03-14 02:24 <andsim> 8002-8003 forward
2018-03-14 02:25 <andsim> 9000 is
2018-03-14 02:30 <Plugh> You don't want to port forward the private port.
2018-03-14 04:18 <andsim_linux> Plugh my test is failing https://pastebin.com/X5v0nmPw
2018-03-14 04:19 <andsim_linux> or anyone can help
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2018-03-14 18:14 <Priestov> hello world!
2018-03-14 18:15 <Priestov> Tell me pls, how im can banned users with other grid?
2018-03-14 18:16 <djphil> user account level set to -1
2018-03-14 18:17 <Priestov> for hypergrid
2018-03-14 18:17 <Priestov> for other grids accounts
2018-03-14 18:21 <djphil> you can ban the ip ...
2018-03-14 18:21 <Priestov> in DB ?
2018-03-14 18:22 <djphil> no, firewall
2018-03-14 18:22 <Plugh> You could use mute them.
2018-03-14 18:22 <Plugh> use a mutelist module and
2018-03-14 18:22 <Priestov> hm.... if i want baned only 1 user?
2018-03-14 18:22 <djphil> and on the log you can know the mac and the id0
2018-03-14 18:23 <djphil> yes 1 ip = 1 user
2018-03-14 18:23 <Priestov> oh))
2018-03-14 18:23 <Priestov> its very long
2018-03-14 18:23 <Priestov> firewall for baned 1 ip(
2018-03-14 18:24 <Plugh> djphil: Does 1 IP = 1 user for IM's coming in via HG?
2018-03-14 18:25 <djphil> "Normally" 1 Ip is 1 user
2018-03-14 18:27 <Plugh> Right. I was thinking something coming in via HG would only give the IP of the other grid.
2018-03-14 18:31 <Priestov> ok. iAnd through the database is not?
2018-03-14 18:32 <Priestov> only through firewall?
2018-03-14 18:37 <djphil> You can also with LSL inworld script or via ban list
2018-03-14 18:40 <djphil> Plugh question: log does not give you any ip hg?
2018-03-14 18:40 <Plugh> djphil: I'd have to check the log files of an HG enabled region to see IP gets passed.
2018-03-14 18:40 <Plugh> to see what IP gets passed.
2018-03-14 18:43 <ssm2017> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Banning_Foreign_Users_in_Hypergrid
2018-03-14 18:44 <Priestov> We try ban user's ip on firewall already but its not help. User passed
2018-03-14 18:45 <ssm2017> hello, you can try this wiki page and if you have any other ideas, you can add them in the wiki (like the hypergrid restrictions set in robust.hg.ini)
2018-03-14 18:47 <djphil> arfff http://was.fm/ is dea :(
2018-03-14 18:47 <djphil> dead*
2018-03-14 19:02 <Plugh> ssm2017: That page mentions using the IP address of the remote grid. That's sort of what I expected.
2018-03-14 19:03 <Plugh> A mutelist approach would not stop the person from entering the grid. It would also only work if you were using the addon mutelist module with 0.9 or using a recent version of 0.9 that include the core mutelist module.
2018-03-14 19:04 <Tampa> Banning hypergrid via iptables does not work, that wiki entry is wrong
2018-03-14 19:04 <andsim> Plugh where u put the sh file on my server
2018-03-14 19:05 <andsim> do u remember
2018-03-14 19:05 <Plugh> andsim: which sh file?
2018-03-14 19:05 <andsim> start script
2018-03-14 19:06 <andsim> for sim
2018-03-14 19:06 <Plugh> andsim: They are in ~/bin of your account.
2018-03-14 19:06 <Tampa> If the [BanService] was documented that might work since it uses the MAC and unique ID0 of the user, but I have not found information on that anywhere, instead I built mac banning directly into the existing gatekeeper
2018-03-14 19:06 <andsim> k
2018-03-14 19:08 <Plugh> Tampa: That should work if the person was trying to enter the grid via HG TP. For just blocking incoming IM's you would only be seeing the grid IP as the remote grid would be relaying the IM.
2018-03-14 19:11 <Tampa> The user access control features are fairly lackluster in OpenSim, I mean most of Robust is anyways, hopefully I can get some of those annoyances fixed once I have secured the funding, shouldn't be too big a deal anyways
2018-03-14 19:13 <Tampa> Robust is "stupid" at the moment, going forward it eventually will need to smarten up, especially when demand goes up it falls on its face quite often
2018-03-14 19:14 <Tampa> The db queries need some tweaking to reduce their load, this may also involve restructuring the tables to better suit the flood of data users generate nowadays, it needs to communicate more with regions and cleanup after itself more to reduce not needed data being sent to users
2018-03-14 19:15 <andsim> is instanes folder ln toone folder and it been us by script?
2018-03-14 19:15 <Tampa> List goes on, a few of those are fairly simple fixes in the code, just create conversion headaches and will require simulators to be updated which many are reluctant to do
2018-03-14 19:16 <Plugh> andsim: The instances folder is for the directories for each region. Each region folder has its own ScriptEngines folder.
2018-03-14 19:16 <Priestov> im used update forever)
2018-03-14 19:17 <andsim> ok which file is link sim files not ini
2018-03-14 19:18 <andsim> trying to find it so wontt use wroing version
2018-03-14 19:18 <Plugh> andsim: Would you rephrase that question?
2018-03-14 19:19 <andsim> wrong version of sim
2018-03-14 19:19 <andsim> os
2018-03-14 19:19 <Tampa> andsim, take the binary and create a folder next to it, call that "my_simulator" or something, in there create a copy of the OpenSim.ini, Regions folder and Regions.ini inside it
2018-03-14 19:20 <Plugh> There are sym links in ~/livegrid that set which directory worth of files is to be used.
2018-03-14 19:20 <Tampa> Make your changes to OpenSim.ini and Regions.ini accordingly, then start opensim with -inidirectory override pointing at the "my_simulator" folder
2018-03-14 19:21 <Tampa> That is the easiest setup for simulators or rather the most basic one, from there you can play around with Includes for the various ini files if you want
2018-03-14 19:21 <andsim> he made thatfew sh
2018-03-14 19:22 <Tampa> You dont need the shell, start a screen session using screen -S my_simulator
2018-03-14 19:22 <Tampa> In there mono OpenSim.exe -inidirectory
2018-03-14 19:23 <Plugh> Tampa: The grid is currently using -inifile
2018-03-14 19:24 <Bill_Blight> you all and your single bin directories , kind of make me chuckle, but that is just me
2018-03-14 19:24 <Plugh> andsim: You have the shut the grid downat the moment?
2018-03-14 19:25 <andsim> useally Robust ini is inside it bin file
2018-03-14 19:25 <Plugh> Bill_Blight: The single bin for executables just makes it easier to do upgrades. 
2018-03-14 19:25 <andsim> yes
2018-03-14 19:25 <Bill_Blight> Yes Plugh, if you don't mind taking down ALL your regions to do it
2018-03-14 19:25 <andsim> it offline
2018-03-14 19:25 <Tampa> You don't upgrade the bin folder, you create named ones dug
2018-03-14 19:25 <Tampa> aka binaries/mybin1 etc
2018-03-14 19:26 <andsim> no but made new folder
2018-03-14 19:26 <Bill_Blight> there is a  reason SL does rolling updates, it allows you to update sections at a time without taking the entire grid down
2018-03-14 19:27 <Plugh> Bill, making a new dir for the binaries, changing a symlink, you can do rolling restarts to update regions instead of shutting down the entire grid at once.
2018-03-14 19:27 <Tampa> Exactly
2018-03-14 19:27 <andsim> so livegrid/Robust > Robust-9.1PF
2018-03-14 19:28 <Plugh> Robust-0.8.1PF
2018-03-14 19:28 <Bill_Blight> the other thing is, the bin is small, and the excuse if it makes the ini's easier to manage is flawed ... You still have to have as many INI's but they could be anywhere, if I have region1, region2 region 3 and so on in their own bin, I know their configs are in those directories with them, and I don't have to throw switches onto the exe, I just start that bin, and that region is up
2018-03-14 19:28 <Tampa> You define the configs as overrides to a central config location aka configs/GridCommon.ini
2018-03-14 19:28 <andsim> not any more  it now 9
2018-03-14 19:29 <Tampa> you dont touch the ones in the binaries at all
2018-03-14 19:29 <Bill_Blight> I can then , update region1 bring it back up, then update region2 bring it back up, so on and so forth, and I do this with a script, 
2018-03-14 19:29 <djphil> Priestov : http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8291
2018-03-14 19:29 <andsim> forgot add 0 in fron of 9 lol
2018-03-14 19:29 <Plugh> Bill, that's where shell scripts can come in. I have shell scripts set up so I can say start region named X and the scripts know what to do. There are lots of ways of configuring a grid. You just use the method that works for you.
2018-03-14 19:29 <Plugh> :)
2018-03-14 19:30 <Plugh> andsim: oops. :)
2018-03-14 19:30 <Bill_Blight> If when I worked in a datacenter, and whe had 100 or so intances of a application running, I'd have been fired if I had to take them all down at once to update them..
2018-03-14 19:30 <Priestov> djphil:ok
2018-03-14 19:30 <Plugh> andsim: I need to go soon. I need to make a run to a store to pick up something before dinner.
2018-03-14 19:30 <andsim> k
2018-03-14 19:30 <Tampa> Bill, https://i.imgur.com/Wzwg7Pl.png
2018-03-14 19:30 <Plugh> Bill_Blight: Right. That's why you set things up so you don't have to do that.
2018-03-14 19:31 <Bill_Blight> right that is fine, but update your live bin dir and watch your regions crash
2018-03-14 19:31 <andsim> so true
2018-03-14 19:31 <Plugh> I have one grid with over 300 regions. Grid updates are done via rolling restarts.
2018-03-14 19:31 <andsim> never thought
2018-03-14 19:31 <Plugh> Well, you don't do that, Bill. :) You make a new dir with the updates.
2018-03-14 19:31 <Tampa> +1
2018-03-14 19:32 <Priestov> <djphil>: its for 0.9 version?
2018-03-14 19:32 <Bill_Blight> still sounds like a potential for disaster to me
2018-03-14 19:32 <djphil> i think no apply yet ...
2018-03-14 19:32 <Plugh> andsim: Any other questions for now? If not, I will get going. I'll be back in about a half hour or so.
2018-03-14 19:32 <Bill_Blight> if that ONE live bin gets corrupted, you have no fallbacks
2018-03-14 19:32 <Tampa> Outside of compiling you dont touch binaries ever, they are your template if you will, any changes you make are done outside, just like you would with containers
2018-03-14 19:32 <Bill_Blight> and ALL your sims go down
2018-03-14 19:32 <andsim> nope
2018-03-14 19:33 <Plugh> Bill, I understand your point. It has to be done carefully. 
2018-03-14 19:33 <Plugh> Tampa, right.
2018-03-14 19:33 <Plugh> andsim: ok. I'll get going. bbl.
2018-03-14 19:34 <Bill_Blight> yes but at some point you still have to take the regions down to move the bin to it's final location
2018-03-14 19:34 <Tampa> The only thing that can corrupt in a binary are its caches, if backups are done regularly and you don't heavily rely on said caches there is nothing to go wrong
2018-03-14 19:35 <Tampa> I have not had a binary "corrupted" in years
2018-03-14 19:35 <andsim> my md nbew folder
2018-03-14 19:35 <andsim> made*
2018-03-14 19:35 <Bill_Blight> neither have I , but why tempt fate, if stability is a concern which always seems to be with opensim, why tempt it
2018-03-14 19:38 <Plugh> Its also why the shell scripts auto restart regions. If one crashes it is started again as long as the cause for the crash isn't a completely messed up set of binaries.
2018-03-14 19:39 <andsim> right
2018-03-14 19:41 <Tampa> Been running the setup in that picture for 2+ years now, only issues were man-made either through me making typos or someone pressing restart too many times, generally rock solid if done properly, got regions running for months now without ever encountering issues. Other approaches work too, comes
2018-03-14 19:41 <Tampa> down to personal preference and scale for the most part
2018-03-14 19:41 <Plugh> Right.
2018-03-14 19:42 <Plugh> For the large grid there is a program that controls the running of regions.
2018-03-14 19:42 <Plugh> For a couple smaller grids they use a set of shell scripts.
2018-03-14 19:44 <Bill_Blight> What program do you refer to there Plugh, I use a couple of different ones, 
2018-03-14 19:44 <Plugh> It is a proprietary program that was written for the grid.
2018-03-14 19:45 <Bill_Blight> oh ok
2018-03-14 19:45 <Tampa> I hear remoteadmin still works and does the job, but mostly with linux you can just send commands between webserver and dummy users to do the things via shell
2018-03-14 19:45 <Tampa> I tried that with windows once.... once
2018-03-14 19:46 <Plugh> That would be another way of doing things. 
2018-03-14 19:47 <Tampa> If IIS wasn't such a trainwreck it may even work, or if there was a way to make powershell net-facing, but as it is linux is just easier sorry to say it that way
2018-03-14 19:47 <Bill_Blight> arrghhh  Don't use dirty words like that Tampa, IIS is offensive .. :P
2018-03-14 19:47 <Priestov> Question: In version 0.9.x, a long avatar mesh is uploaded. In version 0.8.x much faster. Only me so?
2018-03-14 19:48 <Plugh> OS is supposed to be able to get its settings directly from a DB. I don't know of anyone that has done that.
2018-03-14 19:48 <Tampa> Hm... well
2018-03-14 19:48 <Tampa> Technically you can "fake" that anyways
2018-03-14 19:48 <Tampa> naemon does that for its settings db, but I don't really know how that works
2018-03-14 19:49 <Plugh> Priestov: Not sure. I've been trying to upload the makerbot mesh made by nebadon. It loaded in to 0.8 no problem. It keeps failing to upload under 0.9
2018-03-14 19:50 <Plugh> Tampa: The program used for the grid with lots of regions uses information from a DB to generate the files used to run a region. The regions don't get the settings directly from a DB. Its something I should try some day just to see if it works and how well it works.
2018-03-14 19:50 <Tampa> Well you can pull directly from a database using "marco programming" or whatever that is in database speak essentially just using temporary files in a sense
2018-03-14 19:51 <Tampa> Once the app is started the files are discarded because the app keeps them anyways
2018-03-14 19:51 <Priestov> Maybe you should not upgrade to version 0.9 then?
2018-03-14 19:51 <Tampa> It "requests" the file, which does not exist, but is in a database location, the database generates it on the fly and the app loads it
2018-03-14 19:52 <Plugh> Um... We don't need another reason for people to state as to why they aren't using 0.9
2018-03-14 19:52 <Tampa> Hurray for broken mesh /s
2018-03-14 19:52 <Plugh> :)
2018-03-14 19:52 <Priestov> ahahah)))
2018-03-14 19:52 <Plugh> Gotta get going before another hour goes by. 
2018-03-14 19:54 <Priestov> Tampa: Hurray for broken mesh /s -  i dont understand(
2018-03-14 19:55 <Tampa> Sarcasm, 0.8 uploaded mesh usually ends broken in 0.9 causing crashes and other issues, because 0.8 is too permissive with mesh
2018-03-14 19:55 <andsim> oh
2018-03-14 19:56 <andsim> then i may have iissues
2018-03-14 19:57 <andsim> on upgrade if come on mesh
2018-03-14 19:57 <Tampa> Possibly
2018-03-14 19:57 <andsim> i have mmesh avatar
2018-03-14 19:58 <andsim> how do u break a link
2018-03-14 19:58 <andsim> from a frolder
2018-03-14 20:03 <Bill_Blight> the mesh reason for not updating is a lazy reason, or at least one not based on any logical technical issues, some mesh that .8x let you upload , was broken, just because it let you use it does not mean it was not still broken, and if that makes you happy go for it ..  And most mesh "upload" issues in .9x can either be traced to bad mesh, or incorrect upload settings.  
2018-03-14 20:05 <Bill_Blight> Same reason people complain about Firestorm pointing out their broken mesh, they don't seem to care that it is broken and want people to quit highlighting their broken stuff ..
2018-03-14 20:08 <andsim> how do i link a folder but geting
2018-03-14 20:08 <Tampa> well they also broke prims, but mehr
2018-03-14 20:09 <andsim> andsim@login:~/livegrid$ ln /home/andsim/livegrid/Robust -t /home/andsim/livegrid/Robust /home/andsim/livegrid/Robust-0.9.1PF/ ln: `/home/andsim/livegrid/Robust': hard link not allowed for directory ln: `/home/andsim/livegrid/Robust-0.9.1PF/': hard link not allowed for directory
2018-03-14 20:10 <andsim> i need hard link
2018-03-14 20:13 <Bill_Blight> I don't have any broken prims ..
2018-03-14 20:13 <Bill_Blight> but the reason I say lazy is, the "Mesh Issue" was highlighted 2 years ago now ...
2018-03-14 20:13 <Tampa> https://jira.phoenixviewer.com/browse/FIRE-22278
2018-03-14 20:19 <Priestov> Tampa: thk
2018-03-14 20:22 <Priestov> If you build a mesh object in 0.9, then they will work with physics other than 0.8. Opensim versions 0.9 are approaching the standard of second life. Do I understand correctly?
2018-03-14 20:24 <Tampa> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsHV_AdplYQ
2018-03-14 20:24 <Tampa> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_V0UlkmkFA
2018-03-14 20:24 <Tampa> Should teach you how to upload stuff properly
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2018-03-14 21:57 <andsim> Plugh where grid auto start in etc folder
2018-03-14 21:57 <Plugh> rc.local
2018-03-14 21:57 <andsim> ok ty
2018-03-14 22:04 <andsim> Bill_Blight conmpent error
2018-03-14 22:04 <andsim> .ctor
2018-03-14 22:12 <ssm2017> hello. we had a hgsafari on tonight and we have received a lot of "Received a resend of already processed packet" causing freezes (using mono 5.4.0.167 and opensimulator 2c8c25a 0.9.0.0 Release)
2018-03-14 22:12 <ssm2017> do you know where should i have a look to try to enhance the perfs please ? (packet resends begin after the coming of 10 avis)
2018-03-14 22:13 <ssm2017> fear : [WARNING]: EOC marker not found. Codestream is corrupted.
2018-03-14 22:15 <ssm2017> we usually use simulators with windows servers when we receive hgsafari but on tonight we could not get an available server and it could be fine to try to find a way to make this work using linux :)
2018-03-14 22:16 <ssm2017> bbl
2018-03-14 22:17 <ssm2017> if someone able to receive more than 10 people under linux without issue agrees to share knowings, we would be very happy to test the solutions
2018-03-14 22:21 <ssm2017> ps : i am speaking about francogrid servers managed by a non profit association
2018-03-14 22:41 <ssm2017> no slow requests , only a flood of "[LLUDPSERVER]: Received a resend of already processed packet...."
2018-03-14 22:43 <andsim> Bill_Blight https://pastebin.com/jujB8uJM
2018-03-14 22:47 <ssm2017> andsim did you compile yourself ?
2018-03-14 22:47 <andsim> Plugh do u know this issues?
2018-03-14 22:47 <andsim> bill did
2018-03-14 22:47 <ssm2017> ok, bbl
2018-03-14 23:04 <Bill_Blight> Safari has been to my regions many times and no one has ever complained of lag, I run under linux
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2018-03-14 23:18 <andsim> Bill_Blight how u get msbuild
2018-03-14 23:21 <Bill_Blight> install the latest mono, with mono-complete
2018-03-14 23:22 <andsim> mono point to 3.12
2018-03-14 23:22 <Bill_Blight> what OS
2018-03-14 23:23 <Bill_Blight> this is evidently not the server I worked on last night
2018-03-14 23:23 <andsim> debian 7
2018-03-14 23:23 <Bill_Blight> http://www.mono-project.com/download/stable/#download-lin-debian
2018-03-14 23:24 <andsim>  Conflicting distribution: http://download.mono-project.com stable-wheezy Release (expected stable-wheezy but got wheezy)
2018-03-14 23:25 <Bill_Blight> <shrug>
2018-03-14 23:26 <andsim> yea
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2018-03-14 23:26 <Plugh> andsim: Did you compile OS on one machine and copy the binaries to the other?
2018-03-14 23:26 <andsim> and he left
2018-03-14 23:26 <andsim> yes
2018-03-14 23:27 <andsim> i gues upgrade os
2018-03-14 23:27 <Plugh> I think that is the problem. What version of mono is on the machine used to compile OS?
2018-03-14 23:27 <andsim> 8 then 9
2018-03-14 23:27 <andsim> yea
2018-03-14 23:28 <Plugh> ?
2018-03-14 23:28 <Plugh> What version of mono is on the machine used to compile OS?
2018-03-14 23:29 <andsim> 5.10.0.160
2018-03-14 23:29 <Plugh> yup. That's the problem with that .ctor thing. Radically different versions of mono.
2018-03-14 23:30 <andsim> so upgrade os?
2018-03-14 23:30 <andsim> if so i need download sql
2018-03-14 23:31 <Plugh> problem with os and OS is what do those initials mean? You need to compile OpenSim on the machine used to run it or you may need to upgrade the operating system on the machine so you will have access to the latest version of mono. That can be a tricky thing to do. The alternative is for a more recent version of mono to be compiled and installed.
2018-03-14 23:32 <andsim> yea need msbuild
2018-03-14 23:32 <andsim> in mono
2018-03-14 23:34 <Plugh> You don't need it to run mono. It is the program that replaces xbuild in one of the more recent versions of mono. Just compile OpenSim on the machine used to run it.
2018-03-14 23:35 <andsim> cant
2018-03-14 23:35 <Plugh> Why not?
2018-03-14 23:36 <andsim> on this build is comustize
2018-03-14 23:36 <andsim> give me error
2018-03-14 23:36 <Plugh> You have some custom changes that won't work without mono 5 something?
2018-03-14 23:37 <andsim> framenet 4
2018-03-14 23:37 <Plugh> um... ok. Not sure what that is.
2018-03-14 23:37 <andsim> .net 4
2018-03-14 23:48 <andsim> i moving source for opensim
2018-03-15 01:47 <andsim> what hack of mono i had to remove old first then remove older repos for mono, then updat and install Plugh
2018-03-15 01:48 <andsim> Mono JIT compiler version 5.10.0.160
2018-03-15 02:18 <Plugh> jakdaniels: ping
2018-03-15 02:33 <djphil> About "Model name" on console (when we create a new user account). That requiere a avatar archive on the bin directory or how that work ?
2018-03-15 02:35 <djphil> create user [<first> [<last> [<pass> [<email> [<user id> [<model>]]]]]]
2018-03-15 04:54 <velus> hello i dont know if anyone is here, but can i get some help with the authenticate service contector, im looking into servic connectors and ways to work them with a web ui instead of going into a database its self, i seem to be able to get a lot of the service contectors working, and see how they work, i am currenlty using a rest system in my browser to test the stuff, but the authenticate i cant seem to get working. all i get is 
2018-03-15 04:54 <velus> failure, i know im using the correct user details im just not sure what to put in the LIFETIME im guessing that is supose to be a number? is it a timestamp or just a value in seconds? also can you use authenticate while someone is logged in
2018-03-15 05:12 <andsim> wierd problem i am haviing, grid robust wont load on script, but if i type it in it load
2018-03-15 05:14 <andsim> even it not linked to folder
2018-03-15 05:34 <velus> HEY PLUGH HOW ARE YOU?
2018-03-15 05:34 <velus> sorery for the caps?
2018-03-15 05:34 <Plugh> Doing ok, velus. How are you?
2018-03-15 05:36 <velus> not to bad just trying to figgure out something, i have been looking through a lot of the code and the specially for service connectors and i am stupmed withy something maybe you can help?
2018-03-15 05:38 <Plugh> I don't get that deep in to the core of the code but you can still ask.
2018-03-15 05:39 <velus> im trying to do a simple authenticate check (this will be for a webui and want to avoid direct db access on as much as i can), i am doing this domain.com:8003/auth/plain and using a rest client on browser and then i do LIFETIME=1521099989&PRINCIPAL=71dec02c-ff97-11e7-9f12-0050563d7734&PASSWORD=some@p4ss&METHOD=authenticate (the passowrd and uuid is not the one im using btw just for demo perpuse) im getting a failure responce, i 
2018-03-15 05:39 <velus> seem to be able to get nearly every other reponse correct when doint this
2018-03-15 05:39 <velus> im just havbing issues with authenticate system
2018-03-15 05:39 <velus> do you know what exactly is needed in the lifetime var there?
2018-03-15 05:41 <velus> oh im using post aswell 
2018-03-15 05:42 <Plugh> Not off hand. I'm looking at the files. LIFETIME is only referenced in three.
2018-03-15 05:44 <andsim> Plugh my script is not load any os even robust, but if i use command line it work
2018-03-15 05:44 <velus> yeah i noticed that. it seems to add it to the db, doing simple tests on a firends server while i try and set up my own atm
2018-03-15 05:45 <andsim> what did u  to make it work, i try put old one on wont load
2018-03-15 05:45 <andsim> with script
2018-03-15 05:47 <andsim> with and wo link
2018-03-15 05:47 <Plugh> velus: All I can tell for sure is that in one part of the code if the value is > 30 is clamps it to 30.
2018-03-15 05:47 <velus> ok
2018-03-15 05:47 <Plugh> andsim: I could ask what did you change to make it stop. :)
2018-03-15 05:48 <velus> i cant seem to get it to work even at 30 or below
2018-03-15 05:48 <andsim> maybe mono
2018-03-15 05:48 <Plugh> andsim: What version of OpenSim are you using now?
2018-03-15 05:48 <andsim> none
2018-03-15 05:49 <andsim> none oof lwant to load util i uise cmd
2018-03-15 05:49 <Plugh> If you aren't using any version of mono then there is nothing to be run. :)
2018-03-15 05:49 <andsim> i waNT TO USE 9.1
2018-03-15 05:49 <Plugh> Perhaps I need to put ask the question differently. What version of OpenSim are you trying to use?
2018-03-15 05:49 <Plugh> ok, 0.9.1
2018-03-15 05:50 <andsim> one ikn folder
2018-03-15 05:50 <Plugh> You have compiled the 0.9.1 code on the server you have been using for the grid?
2018-03-15 05:50 <andsim> i got compile  0.9.1c2
2018-03-15 05:51 <andsim> using mono 5.10
2018-03-15 05:51 <andsim> yes
2018-03-15 05:52 <andsim> it in grid live/ Robust-0.9.1c2
2018-03-15 05:52 <andsim> and ompsim-0.9.1
2018-03-15 05:53 <andsim> opensim*
2018-03-15 05:54 <Plugh> andsim: You didn't set the symlink for Robust.
2018-03-15 05:54 <andsim> i didf
2018-03-15 05:54 <andsim> look at error
2018-03-15 05:54 <Plugh> You didn't. There wasn't on in ~/livegrid. I'm looking now.
2018-03-15 05:54 <Plugh> wasn't one
2018-03-15 05:54 <andsim> before
2018-03-15 05:54 <Plugh> I just created it.
2018-03-15 05:55 <andsim> i have recreate and deleted
2018-03-15 05:55 <andsim> if run in cmd it work not in script
2018-03-15 05:56 <Plugh> You need that symlink or the scripts won't be able to start Robust.
2018-03-15 05:56 <andsim> look robust screen
2018-03-15 05:57 <andsim> some where iut want missinhg stuff
2018-03-15 05:57 <Plugh> You must have started Robust when the symlink existed and you removed it since.
2018-03-15 05:57 <Plugh> If Robust is running the problem is with starting the instances?
2018-03-15 05:58 <andsim> i even reboot whole server
2018-03-15 05:59 <andsim> still not working when link to foldr
2018-03-15 05:59 <Plugh> andsim: You are still pointing instances to a directory named for 0.8.1. There are some changes in the ini files between 0.8 and 0.9
2018-03-15 06:00 <andsim> i ni changed
2018-03-15 06:00 <andsim> i made backup
2018-03-15 06:00 <Plugh> You should create an instances dir for 0.9.1 and update the ini files for 0.9 use. Later you can copy over scriptengine state files from the old instance dir.
2018-03-15 06:01 <andsim> i made backupofsim
2018-03-15 06:03 <andsim> just heck of time when grid dont want work
2018-03-15 06:04 <andsim> some reason it want t load diva wife
2018-03-15 06:04 <andsim> when i run in cmd
2018-03-15 06:04 <andsim> wifi
2018-03-15 06:06 <andsim> even i mae clean folder
2018-03-15 06:07 <Plugh> andsim: You don't have a log file for the Welcome Centre. For Club Ansky the log file tells me you have an error in your database connection strings.
2018-03-15 06:08 <andsim> umm i thought i updated
2018-03-15 06:09 <andsim> guess not
2018-03-15 06:09 <Plugh> The strings are using localhost for the host name. 
2018-03-15 06:10 <andsim> was going fux that once simit run
2018-03-15 06:10 <andsim> sim
2018-03-15 06:11 <andsim> and robust
2018-03-15 06:11 <Plugh> You need to fix that *before* you run the sim or the sim won't run.
2018-03-15 06:11 <andsim> sorry
2018-03-15 06:11 <Plugh> The databases were set to use a domain name based reference to the host.
2018-03-15 06:13 <andsim> yea sorry
2018-03-15 06:19 <Plugh> You are switching from 0.8 to 0.9 so you also need to set the OpenSim.ini files to delete scripts on startup or you need to manually remove the compiled script files.
2018-03-15 06:19 <Plugh> Don't remove the state files.
2018-03-15 06:19 <andsim> right
2018-03-15 06:27 <djphil_> Plugh : which "state files" are you talking about?
2018-03-15 06:28 <Plugh> djphil_: The script state files.
2018-03-15 06:28 <djphil_> what that ?
2018-03-15 06:28 <djphil_> how do you recognize these files?
2018-03-15 06:28 <Plugh> The files that have a record of the state of individual scripts. Which ones are running or not, the state of variables in the script, etc.
2018-03-15 06:29 <djphil_> by file extension ?
2018-03-15 06:29 <BBlight_Away> 4b65ce66-96d5-42c3-a7ff-d1f2f08190e7.state
2018-03-15 06:29 <Plugh> The files end in .state
2018-03-15 06:29 <djphil_> ha . state
2018-03-15 06:29 <BBlight_Away> yes by file extension
2018-03-15 06:29 <djphil_> ok ty
2018-03-15 06:29 <Plugh> Right. What BBlight_Away just said.
2018-03-15 06:30 <djphil_> Good to know .state :)
2018-03-15 06:30 <Plugh> Oh, well. I didn't get much guitar practice done tonight. :P  Now it is about time I head to bed.
2018-03-15 06:31 <Bill_Blight> I've been trying to sleep for the past few hours, failed, requesting a mulligan ...
2018-03-15 06:31 <Plugh> :)
2018-03-15 06:31 <Plugh> I have a radio on when I'm getting to sleep. I have it set to turn off after about a half hour or perhaps an hour.
2018-03-15 06:31 <Bill_Blight> 
ACTION takes another shot of whiskey, also know as Southern Style Sleep Aid

2018-03-15 06:32 <Bill_Blight> I have my google mini play rain sounds, normally helps but not tonight
2018-03-15 06:32 <Plugh> These days I'm often listening to Radio Rebelde from Cuba via shortwave when I'm trying to go to sleep.
2018-03-15 06:32 <Plugh> I tend to like the music they play.
2018-03-15 06:57 <Plugh> Bill_Blight: Hope you manage to get some sleep. I'm heading off to try to do the same.
2018-03-15 07:27 <andsim> whayt ini folder command for os]'
2018-03-15 07:28 <andsim> right now cant use script
2018-03-15 08:39 <andsim> Why i am getting [SimulationDataStore] error
2018-03-15 08:39 <andsim> Bill_Blight
2018-03-15 08:40 <andsim> looking at my opensim.ini look fine
2018-03-19 19:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #5867 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-03-19 19:43 <Plugh> Hey, nebadon
2018-03-19 19:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5867: SUCCESS in 8 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5867/
2018-03-19 19:45 <osjenkins> * kevin: Fixed a typo
2018-03-19 19:45 <osjenkins> * kevin: Removed trailing whitespace
2018-03-19 19:45 <osjenkins> * kevin: Removed trailing semi-colons from option settings
2018-03-19 21:24 <nebadon> hey Plugh!
2018-03-19 21:24 <nebadon> sorry was afk
2018-03-19 21:25 <Plugh> np. I was just saying hello at the time.
2018-03-19 21:25 <Plugh> I do have one question I can ask. 
2018-03-19 21:25 <nebadon> sure
2018-03-19 21:25 <Plugh> You use mesh (or was it sculpty?) terrain. What size were the objects you used for it?
2018-03-19 21:26 <Plugh> Was it 16 to cover the region?
2018-03-19 21:26 <nebadon> started with sculpty but moved to mesh
2018-03-19 21:26 <nebadon> it realy depends on the source data
2018-03-19 21:26 <Plugh> ok.
2018-03-19 21:26 <nebadon> generally speaking at 1m resolution
2018-03-19 21:26 <nebadon> I want to say its 36 tiles
2018-03-19 21:26 <Plugh> Do you have a target number for number of vertices?
2018-03-19 21:26 <Plugh> ok
2018-03-19 21:26 <nebadon> the software we wrote lets us tune it
2018-03-19 21:27 <nebadon> but we try to stay at 1m if we can find source data that good
2018-03-19 21:27 <nebadon> but sometimes we can only get 5m or 10m 
2018-03-19 21:27 <Plugh> oh, you have software you wrote for that. I forgot about that.
2018-03-19 21:27 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2018-03-19 21:27 <nebadon> yes we have a whole GIS suite we wrote
2018-03-19 21:27 <nebadon> we can actually edit the terrain
2018-03-19 21:27 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2018-03-19 21:27 <Plugh> Makes sense for what you are doing.
2018-03-19 21:27 <nebadon> and its also how we program our traffic simulations
2018-03-19 21:28 <nebadon> you could in theory do similar editing and cutting with L3DT
2018-03-19 21:28 <nebadon> its not as simple though
2018-03-19 21:28 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2018-03-19 21:28 <nebadon> for us its very important we retain the actual GIS coordinates
2018-03-19 21:28 <Plugh> There is also a terrain generator plug-in for Blender.
2018-03-19 21:28 <nebadon> L3DT strips all that out
2018-03-19 21:29 <nebadon> ya there are several ways to do it in Blender
2018-03-19 21:29 <nebadon> cutting the textures in blender isnt so simple though
2018-03-19 21:29 <nebadon> L3DT will cut terrain and textures 
2018-03-19 21:30 <nebadon> what is the source of the data you are using?/
2018-03-19 21:30 <Plugh> I just checked. I still have a copy of L3DT standard (v2.9) on the windows side of my hard drive.
2018-03-19 21:30 <nebadon> is it like realworld data or just making terrains from scratch?
2018-03-19 21:30 <nebadon> the Indie version is cheap too
2018-03-19 21:30 <nebadon> its like 35$
2018-03-19 21:30 <Plugh> It was just a general question.
2018-03-19 21:30 <Plugh> I wouldn't use it enough to make it worth while.
2018-03-19 21:31 <nebadon> you can get pretty far with free version anyway
2018-03-19 21:31 <nebadon> unless your planning on huge sim
2018-03-19 21:31 <Plugh> No specific ideas in mind at the moment other than maybe one day recreating Myst Island.
2018-03-19 21:31 <nebadon> there really isnt any point
2018-03-19 21:31 <Plugh> oh.
2018-03-19 21:32 <Tampa> There is still actual tarrain patches under that mesh terrain?
2018-03-19 21:32 <Plugh> When you made your makerbot how did you apply the textures?
2018-03-19 21:32 <nebadon> yes we do terrain fill 21
2018-03-19 21:32 <nebadon> when we use mesh terrain
2018-03-19 21:32 <nebadon> I am not sure that makerbot actually has textures
2018-03-19 21:32 <nebadon> i think even the text is geometry
2018-03-19 21:32 <nebadon> it was made in sketchup
2018-03-19 21:32 <Plugh> ok. So its just some coloured parts.
2018-03-19 21:32 <nebadon> yea
2018-03-19 21:32 <Plugh> ok.
2018-03-19 21:32 <nebadon> i got it from 3Dwarehouse
2018-03-19 21:33 <Tampa> Oh, yeah was wondering since not having those there would likely improve performance a bit on the viewer at least
2018-03-19 21:33 <osmantis> Bug #8257:04 Error generating login response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8257 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-19 21:33 <nebadon> yea a perfectly flat terrain is very little impact
2018-03-19 21:33 <nebadon> there is no way technically to remove the LL terrain from the viewer
2018-03-19 21:33 <Plugh> I am thinking about finishing off my virtual guitar. I just have to add the strings and texture it.
2018-03-19 21:33 <Tampa> Still has some impact especially on larger vars
2018-03-19 21:33 <nebadon> I guess there is a way from Debug settings to disable terrain
2018-03-19 21:33 <nebadon> but i doubt it has much impact
2018-03-19 21:34 <Tampa> Well I have fiddled around with the code a bit and gotten to a point where only random patches were shown
2018-03-19 21:34 <nebadon> you could probably also do like terrain fill -10000
2018-03-19 21:34 <nebadon> and it would be so far it wouldnt even render
2018-03-19 21:34 <Plugh> Probably not as long as the mesh terrain is sitting above the real terrain
2018-03-19 21:34 <Tampa> Stopped any patches sent from server to client
2018-03-19 21:34 <nebadon> but then if you fall through mesh you fall forever
2018-03-19 21:34 <Plugh> Would it accept terrain height of -1000?
2018-03-19 21:34 <Tampa> Problem is the viewer really didn't like not being sent patches
2018-03-19 21:34 <nebadon> yep it would
2018-03-19 21:34 <nebadon> from console
2018-03-19 21:34 <Plugh> hm... ok
2018-03-19 21:35 <nebadon> its generally not a good idea 
2018-03-19 21:35 <nebadon> and it might technically just cut off at -256
2018-03-19 21:35 <nebadon> but you fall and might even get logged out if you fall far enough
2018-03-19 21:35 <nebadon> the viewer is wierd like that
2018-03-19 21:36 <Tampa> Been toying with the idea of trying to "trick" the viewer into behaving and not sending any terrain data as it does make a difference on rendering performance, just getting to that point is beyond my level of C
2018-03-19 21:36 <nebadon> yea best you can probably do is just turn it off in debug settings
2018-03-19 21:36 <nebadon> but thats kind of annoying
2018-03-19 21:36 <nebadon> becasue then its off everywhere you go
2018-03-19 21:37 <Tampa> It seems that all that is needed is sending corrupt data, but I don't know how to even begin to figure out what to send to not make it crash immediately
2018-03-19 21:37 <nebadon> thats generally never a good idea hehe
2018-03-19 21:37 <nebadon> the viewer is fragile
2018-03-19 21:37 <nebadon> sending it bad data could lead to bad results
2018-03-19 21:37 <Tampa> I know that sometimes, if you are utterly careless you can break terrain patches from loading requiring a database reset
2018-03-19 21:38 <Tampa> Yeah hence it would be more a hack than a feature
2018-03-19 21:38 <Tampa> Still fun to break stuff in the name of science lol
2018-03-19 21:38 <nebadon> haha
2018-03-19 21:40 <nebadon> honeslty the least impactful thing you could probably do is just terrain fill 0
2018-03-19 21:40 <nebadon> or terrain fill 21
2018-03-19 21:41 <nebadon> I have simulations that are huge, like 100s of SL regions in size for single model
2018-03-19 21:41 <nebadon> we use 768x768 vars
2018-03-19 21:42 <Tampa> Yeah that has been my experience as well, 1024 really is the top end, beyond that things just don't work well enough anymore
2018-03-19 21:42 <Tampa> Besides 10x10 and 11x11 straight up breaking land_data
2018-03-19 21:42 <Tampa> Bit of a headscratcher that one
2018-03-19 21:43 <nebadon> yea
2018-03-19 21:43 <nebadon> anything beyond 2048 will really break things in the viewer but even that can be bad if you have a lot of content
2018-03-19 21:43 <nebadon> physics get messy
2018-03-19 21:44 <Tampa> Did get a 32x32 to work at one point, but yeah viewers really don't like that stuff
2018-03-19 21:44 <nebadon> startup times are terrible
2018-03-19 21:44 <nebadon> generally my simulators are anywhere from 4-25 simulators all 768m vars
2018-03-19 21:45 <Tampa> I do have a single simulator with more landmass than SL ever had with over 40 regions, takes over an hour to boot
2018-03-19 21:45 <Tampa> Promptly runs out of memory once finished with startup too
2018-03-19 21:46 <nebadon> hehe ya
2018-03-19 21:46 <nebadon> I have a simualtor in Sinewave Space thats larger than SL
2018-03-19 21:46 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNzb44luEkk
2018-03-19 21:47 <nebadon> 24km x 16km 
2018-03-19 21:47 <nebadon> lol
2018-03-19 21:47 <nebadon> its something like 6500 SL regions
2018-03-19 21:47 <Tampa> That is roughly twice of what our Ocean regions take up
2018-03-19 21:48 <nebadon> bigger than SL mainland anyway
2018-03-19 21:48 <nebadon> not the entire grid
2018-03-19 21:49 <Tampa> https://i.imgur.com/wBhR3T2.png
2018-03-19 21:56 <Plugh> 100s of 3x3's? That's a really big space.
2018-03-19 21:56 <Tampa> 4x4
2018-03-19 21:57 <Plugh> nebadon said 768x768
2018-03-19 21:57 <Tampa> Oh yeah for his stuff
2018-03-19 21:57 <nebadon> yea its 3x3
2018-03-19 21:57 <nebadon> well the grand canyon model was done in Unity not opensim
2018-03-19 21:57 <Plugh> Need some impressive resources to handle that sort of stuff.
2018-03-19 21:57 <nebadon> it would take 100s of servers to do the grand canyon in opensim
2018-03-19 21:57 <misterblue> The BulletSim physics engine creates a physical plane at something like -100 so things cannot fall to infinity... I don't know what ubODE does
2018-03-19 21:58 <nebadon> but yea for my Encitra/4Dialog work we use 8 core i7 servers with 48gb ram
2018-03-19 21:58 <Tampa> Could probably import that model into opensim breaking it up into 4x4 regions, would fill an entire server, but possible
2018-03-19 21:58 <nebadon> and generally we do not exceed 24 simulators on a single box
2018-03-19 21:58 <nebadon> we have like 15 servers currently
2018-03-19 21:58 <nebadon> I doubt it Tamp
2018-03-19 21:58 <nebadon> Tampa*, its all mesh
2018-03-19 21:58 <nebadon> the physics alone would use more memory than any single machine could provide
2018-03-19 21:59 <nebadon> also bandwidth probably be an issue loading that much data
2018-03-19 21:59 <Tampa> Well all at once yes
2018-03-19 21:59 <Tampa> If you break the model up into pieces, I'll load up a test server and we see how many it will hold :D
2018-03-19 22:00 <nebadon> well with my testing with 8 core CPU and 48gb ram
2018-03-19 22:00 <nebadon> i cant go beyond 24 regions
2018-03-19 22:00 <nebadon> without getting threading errors
2018-03-19 22:00 <nebadon> this is in Linux with mono
2018-03-19 22:00 <nebadon> might be able to stretch that a bit further with Windows server
2018-03-19 22:00 <nebadon> but I havet ever tested that
2018-03-19 22:00 <nebadon> .net handles threading better
2018-03-19 22:00 <nebadon> but at what cost! lol
2018-03-19 22:01 <Tampa> I have that entire ocean sitting on a single server, 28 simulators, 4 regions each 4x4 in size, each simulator usually taking about 500mb memory, load average around 5 so far
2018-03-19 22:01 <nebadon> ah yea thats good Misterblue, the last time i did that was probably with the original ODE
2018-03-19 22:02 <nebadon> and you would fall forever and eventually the server would go beserk and log you out
2018-03-19 22:02 <nebadon> err the viewer would go beserk i mean
2018-03-19 22:02 <Tampa> Granted not full of mesh so that may add a bit, but technically given enough hardware easily possible
2018-03-19 22:02 <nebadon> yes with no objects you can go much larger
2018-03-19 22:02 <nebadon> when you start adding stuff physics takes a toll
2018-03-19 22:02 <nebadon> at 1m resolution with mesh
2018-03-19 22:02 <nebadon> its a lot of memory and threads required
2018-03-19 22:03 <nebadon> especilly if you want people to actually go there
2018-03-19 22:03 <nebadon> might be ok with 1 or 2 or even 4-5 people
2018-03-19 22:03 <nebadon> but put 40-50+ people and it would blow up bad
2018-03-19 22:03 <Tampa> Yeah, though still it is within the realm of possibility even with OpenSim, just takes a lot of hardware
2018-03-19 22:04 <nebadon> ya
2018-03-19 22:04 <Tampa> Then again, surprises me how much I been able to stuff on that server
2018-03-19 22:04 <nebadon> yea if your not looking at big loads of people
2018-03-19 22:04 <nebadon> you can do a lot
2018-03-19 22:04 <nebadon> the OSCC grid is a single server
2018-03-19 22:04 <Tampa> Even then, if they just walk around or wiggle their butts the simulator hardly cares
2018-03-19 22:04 <nebadon> its 24 threads and 64gb ram
2018-03-19 22:05 <nebadon> yea the problem with big simulators and loads of people
2018-03-19 22:05 <nebadon> is the network traffic it creates
2018-03-19 22:05 <Plugh> For a single server the OSCC regions have held up well
2018-03-19 22:05 <nebadon> and with UDP that can be very CPU heavy
2018-03-19 22:05 <nebadon> when you have 100 simulators that all have to talk to each other
2018-03-19 22:05 <nebadon> on a single box that is nasty business
2018-03-19 22:05 <nebadon> you have to really spread things out
2018-03-19 22:05 <Tampa> You pretty much need gigabit otherwise might as well run out of your garage lol
2018-03-19 22:05 <nebadon> so there is no chance the regions talk to each other
2018-03-19 22:06 <nebadon> thats mostly why i cant exceed 24 
2018-03-19 22:06 <nebadon> because the region chatter is more than mono can handle
2018-03-19 22:06 <Tampa> What version of mono?
2018-03-19 22:06 <nebadon> we use a variety of versions depending on the age of the box
2018-03-19 22:07 <Tampa> I have been running latest which is no 5.10, the resource usage has gone down massively
2018-03-19 22:07 <nebadon> I have 5.9 on my latest box
2018-03-19 22:07 <Tampa> Cut in half in some cases
2018-03-19 22:07 <nebadon> unfortunately stuff like networking hasnt improved a ton
2018-03-19 22:07 <nebadon> yea memory can be better
2018-03-19 22:07 <nebadon> but thread handling still blows
2018-03-19 22:08 <Tampa> Still depending on scale even just couple percent can make a big difference
2018-03-19 22:08 <nebadon> yea
2018-03-19 22:08 <Tampa> Here is to hope that will eventually get fixed too :)
2018-03-19 22:08 <nebadon> yea its always getting better
2018-03-19 22:08 <nebadon> now that microsoft owns mono too they are incorporating all the .net stuff
2018-03-19 22:08 <nebadon> eventually it will even out
2018-03-19 22:08 <nebadon> im sure they will always give windows servers a slight edge though
2018-03-19 22:09 <Tampa> If they don't screw it up, which, this is MS so yeah knock on wood
2018-03-19 22:09 <nebadon> mostly they just want people to buy Azure cloud hosting
2018-03-19 22:09 <nebadon> which there is a lot of linux in their cloud
2018-03-19 22:10 <Tampa> Tell me about it I keep getting recruiters asking if I know anything about that stuff, damn you Linkedin
2018-03-19 22:10 <nebadon> Microsoft is a pretty big linux contributor as well
2018-03-19 22:10 <nebadon> there is a lot of Unix in Windows 10
2018-03-19 22:10 <Plugh> MS owns mono?
2018-03-19 22:10 <nebadon> yes
2018-03-19 22:10 <Tampa> Just a question of motive, don't really trust them all that much after that whole Win10 debacle over privacy
2018-03-19 22:10 <nebadon> they bought Xamarin while back
2018-03-19 22:11 <Plugh> ok. I didn't remember that.
2018-03-19 22:11 <Tampa> Last year almost to the month
2018-03-19 22:11 <nebadon> well I think Microsoft is fairly trusthworthy company
2018-03-19 22:11 <nebadon> i trust them more than I trust facebook or apple
2018-03-19 22:12 <Tampa> Well yeah if you compare with that sure
2018-03-19 22:13 <nebadon> its pretty easy to disable all the microsoft telemtry stuff too
2018-03-19 22:14 <Tampa> Just a pain to do it every friggn update, I don't know honestly I do not trust Win10, I like to have control over my OS not the other way round
2018-03-19 22:14 <nebadon> I use this myself
2018-03-19 22:14 <nebadon> https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
2018-03-19 22:14 <Tampa> Oh there are a few of those out there now
2018-03-19 22:14 <Tampa> Just the fact they exist in the first place
2018-03-19 22:15 <Tampa> My Win7 does what I tell it to do, doesn't snoop that much, doesn't update on its own and my programs continue to work and have for years
2018-03-19 22:15 <Tampa> Less than 7 months with Win10, nope nopey nope nope
2018-03-19 22:16 <Tampa> The vms I had from the Insider Program are all broken now, don't even boot
2018-03-19 22:23 <nebadon> yea WIndows 10 Pro is more like that
2018-03-19 22:23 <nebadon> Windows 10 Home has less options
2018-03-19 22:24 <nebadon> the big problem was people disabling windows update completely in old versions
2018-03-19 22:24 <nebadon> and thats how major botnets developed
2018-03-19 22:24 <nebadon> not getting patches for critical bugs
2018-03-19 22:40 <Plugh> What the? A setting that says "Disable conducting experiments with this machine by Microsoft"??
2018-03-19 22:41 <nebadon> you generally have to opt into those
2018-03-19 22:41 <nebadon> there is a program you can join for Beta stuff
2018-03-19 22:41 <Plugh> yea, but gotta make you wonder a bit about that.
2018-03-19 22:41 <Tampa> Windows Insider
2018-03-19 22:41 <Tampa> Even has weird levels and ranks in it for no real reason other than offering shareholders some swagger I guess
2018-03-19 22:43 <Plugh> Interesting to see companies appearing out of the blue to help the community.
2018-03-19 22:43 <Plugh> 
ACTION wonders what else they do

2018-03-19 22:44 <nebadon> I can understand a bit of why microsoft does what they do
2018-03-19 22:44 <Plugh> dinner time. bbl.
2018-03-19 22:44 <nebadon> a lot of it was to combat these very large disruptive botnets/spamnets
2018-03-19 22:44 <nebadon> 100,000's of Windows XP machines taken over
2018-03-19 22:45 <nebadon> and some of it is to compete with eco systems like Apple offers
2018-03-19 22:46 <nebadon> Apple does this stuff to even more extreme levels
2018-03-19 22:46 <nebadon> but no one complains heh
2018-03-19 22:46 <nebadon> and Apple you cant even disable the stuff
2018-03-19 22:46 <nebadon> its like embeded in the hardware
2018-03-19 22:47 <Tampa> Cause that's what people who buy those want, everything taken care of for them, hence why they don't mind paying extra for it either
2018-03-19 22:47 <nebadon> yea
2018-03-19 22:47 <nebadon> and thats really what Microsoft is trying to provide with Windows Home edition
2018-03-19 22:47 <nebadon> people who want more control buy Windows Pro
2018-03-19 22:48 <Tampa> Problem is Home gets used by businesses a lot since every laptop comes with it out the box and they don't want to pay 1/4 extra for Pro
2018-03-19 22:48 <Tampa> Result... well it pays my insurance and vacation, still though
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2018-03-19 23:45 <djphil> for some time that I see a folder "00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 in the folder" maptiles ".
2018-03-19 23:45 <djphil> Did you tell me what is this folder "uuid zero"?
2018-03-19 23:47 <Tampa> That's where the maptiles are in
2018-03-19 23:48 <djphil> but they are also in "maptiles", not only in "ùaptiles/zerouuid/"
2018-03-19 23:48 <Tampa> 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000  water.jpg
2018-03-19 23:48 <Tampa> I don't see that
2018-03-19 23:49 <djphil> and also, before, we did not have this folder uuidzero ... so why is it there now? What is it used for ?
2018-03-19 23:49 <Tampa> Not everything in OpenSim code makes sense
2018-03-19 23:50 <djphil> hehehe
2018-03-19 23:50 <djphil> i just try to undertand :p
2018-03-19 23:50 <Tampa> So do I, still some things cannot be explained sometimes, just like life itself they just are...
2018-03-19 23:51 <djphil> Heuuu opensim is not written alone ... there is good and have someone who asks to do this to opensim ...
2018-03-19 23:53 <djphil> but actually I do not understand its usefulness ...
2018-03-19 23:57 <djphil> He Tampa, you see the zoom result here http://digigrids.no-ip.org/zoom/ :p ?
2018-03-19 23:57 <djphil> a little dirty the jpg ...
2018-03-20 00:05 <djphil> Warp3D don't include png format ?
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2018-03-20 09:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #5868 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-03-20 10:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5868: SUCCESS in 5 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5868/
2018-03-20 10:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8257: fix the default realm (ie table name) of AuthenticationService
2018-03-20 10:03 <andsim> Bill_Blight u alive?
2018-03-20 10:11 <osmantis> Bug #8257:04 Error generating login response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8257 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-20 11:46 <osmantis> Bug #8257:04 Error generating login response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8257 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-20 12:49 <osmantis> Bug #8257:04 Error generating login response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8257 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-20 16:39 <osmantis> Bug #8257:04 Error generating login response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8257 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-20 17:58 <Bill_Blight> dev meeting now or in an hour?
2018-03-20 18:11 <Plugh> Dev meeting now!
2018-03-20 20:24 <Priestov> hi piople
2018-03-20 20:25 <Priestov> people*
2018-03-20 20:26 <Priestov> veeerryyyy long dowloads avatars in version .9((((
2018-03-20 20:26 <Priestov> bento mesh
2018-03-20 20:27 <Bill_Blight> Ruth downloads fast, if you are talking about the stolen avatars, those things are crazy heavy anyway ..  I notice very little difference though to be honest
2018-03-20 20:31 <Priestov> Ruth free?
2018-03-20 20:31 <Bill_Blight> yeah
2018-03-20 20:31 <Priestov> bento?
2018-03-20 20:32 <Bill_Blight> yes
2018-03-20 20:32 <Bill_Blight> https://plus.google.com/communities/103360253120662433219
2018-03-20 20:33 <Priestov> only woman?
2018-03-20 20:33 <Tampa> Roth, the male version, is still heavily work in progress
2018-03-20 20:33 <Bill_Blight> so far they are working on the Roth project, but regardless, all the other bento bodies are stolen well 98% of them
2018-03-20 20:33 <Tampa> They both still are and issues still exist
2018-03-20 20:33 <Tampa> There are some other bento bodies that are not taken from SL, but they cost quite a bit of money
2018-03-20 20:34 <Bill_Blight> Ruth works pretty well, and at least it is not stolen ... I feel like I am beating a dead horse
2018-03-20 20:34 <Tampa> lol let them have their things, can't stop it anyways
2018-03-20 20:34 <Bill_Blight> but don't have to support it either
2018-03-20 20:34 <Tampa> True
2018-03-20 20:36 <Priestov> hm... Where can I buy these bodies?
2018-03-20 20:36 <Tampa> No idea
2018-03-20 20:37 <Bill_Blight> Mesh bodies just turn opensim into the same lag fest that SL is, so to me not worth the trade off ... Just my opinion
2018-03-20 20:38 <Tampa> Just as bad as water reflection from glowing objects or stuff like that, can't really blame it on the mesh, more an issue of decade old rendering code that was never brought up to standard in years
2018-03-20 20:39 <Bill_Blight> That is true, so why add yet another speed bump on purpose
2018-03-20 20:39 <Tampa> Keeping back progress
2018-03-20 20:39 <Tampa> sure
2018-03-20 20:39 <Tampa> If there is no evidence of an issue there is no issue
2018-03-20 20:40 <Tampa> That's like saying to avoid vulnerabilities let's stay on older versions that don't have the feature that introduced them
2018-03-20 20:41 <Priestov> Which body bento is recommended for use in 0.9?
2018-03-20 20:42 <Tampa> Look through kitely market maybe there are a few there
2018-03-20 20:44 <Tampa> Also not really a question for the -dev channel but meh
2018-03-20 20:45 <Priestov> sorry)
2018-03-20 20:47 <Bill_Blight> as to the mesh loading issue which was the original question, I might be mistaken, but I was thinking there was some trottling put in place to keep mesh or a user from stealing all the bandwidth, so things might seem slower
2018-03-20 20:48 <Bill_Blight> BUT , I don't see this issue, so I can't really comment on it
2018-03-20 20:51 <Priestov> i testing downloads mesh in 0.8.2.x, very fast
2018-03-20 20:54 <Bill_Blight> and possibly at the cost of making others lag
2018-03-20 20:54 <danbanner> priestov: its already proven that mesh and textures load 10X faster in 0.8 due to the hard coded throttles added to 0.9..  you can change the throttles manually in GetMeshModule.cs and GetTextureModule.cs and recompile or do what most grids are doing and stay on 0.8
2018-03-20 20:55 <danbanner> opening the throttles does not cause any noticable lag unless you have shit internet to start with
2018-03-20 20:55 <Priestov> o!
2018-03-20 20:55 <Bill_Blight> this is a confusion between performance/scaleabity and speed
2018-03-20 20:55 <Priestov> thanks
2018-03-20 20:55 <Bill_Blight> they are very rarely the same thing
2018-03-20 20:56 <Tampa> "stay on 0.8" lol sure xD
2018-03-20 20:56 <Tampa> Already ordering the popcorn
2018-03-20 20:56 <danbanner> anyway, lots of opinions on whats the best solution here
2018-03-20 20:57 <Bill_Blight> there is also a lot of "The Sky Is Falling" going on too
2018-03-20 20:57 <danbanner> people arent gonna stop using mesh because it doesnt load fast all they are going to do is complain
2018-03-20 20:59 <Bill_Blight> ^^
2018-03-20 20:59 <Priestov> )))
2018-03-20 21:00 <Priestov> robust 0.9 and sim 0.8))
2018-03-20 21:00 <Priestov> simbiose)
2018-03-20 21:00 <Priestov> i like))
2018-03-20 21:00 <Tampa> No wonder you are having issues, stop mismatching versions
2018-03-20 21:00 <Bill_Blight> To me it is the collision of two arguments, "OMG WE WANT 100 PEOPLE ON OUR SIM!!"  and "OMG WE WANT OUR MESH TO LOAD FAST!!"
2018-03-20 21:01 <Tampa> You can have 100 people on a region, just not all at once, one by one is fine lol
2018-03-20 21:01 <danbanner> Bill_Blight: both at the same time are possible
2018-03-20 21:01 <Bill_Blight> yes possible
2018-03-20 21:01 <danbanner> lol ya 1 person at a time and mesh loads fine lmao
2018-03-20 21:01 <Tampa> Seriously though those throttles do make sense, maybe a bit adjustment is needed, but otherwise you just crash
2018-03-20 21:01 <danbanner> perfect for standalone
2018-03-20 21:01 <Bill_Blight> but for the person it is possible, are not the the ones complaining that mesh loads slow
2018-03-20 21:02 <danbanner> add more than 7 people and you get naked avatars waiting for clothes
2018-03-20 21:02 <danbanner> and waiting...
2018-03-20 21:02 <Priestov> yes
2018-03-20 21:02 <Priestov> verrrryyy looooonggg
2018-03-20 21:02 <Bill_Blight> Also depends on the speed of your asset server, and size of your pipe, as we know pipe size is important in many aspects
2018-03-20 21:02 <Tampa> Well on osg maybe sure I can see that happening
2018-03-20 21:02 <Tampa> Smaller grids have less issues
2018-03-20 21:03 <danbanner> waiting some more because the lag IS the throttles
2018-03-20 21:03 <Tampa> Add CDN to the asset delivery, speeds things up quite a bit
2018-03-20 21:03 <Bill_Blight> just the CDN works like crap on HG
2018-03-20 21:03 <Bill_Blight> LOL
2018-03-20 21:03 <Bill_Blight> :P
2018-03-20 21:03 <danbanner> tampa i changed those files and all loads fine on heavy populated sims
2018-03-20 21:03 <Bill_Blight> (yes that was just a dig at Tampa)
2018-03-20 21:04 <Priestov>  CDN... go in wiki opensim)))
2018-03-20 21:04 <Priestov> i go*
2018-03-20 21:04 <Priestov> ))
2018-03-20 21:04 <Tampa> Comparing apples and oranges, osg has an asset database far too large for its own good and the servers running them are not adequate for fast delivery, see if things load almost instantly you don't fill up the queue causing it to throttle
2018-03-20 21:05 <danbanner> gee, why does adjusting the values and recompiling load mesh and textures faster?
2018-03-20 21:06 <Tampa> Because you are not pummeling the network instead
2018-03-20 21:07 <danbanner> the throttles are too tight.. even on bigger grids everything loads better with the values increased
2018-03-20 21:07 <Tampa> That comes back to the fact that they are hardcoded and thus don't allow for setup specific adjustment, though frankly they should probably do that themselves
2018-03-20 21:08 <Tampa> If it bothers you, fork, create a better version and submit it as patch
2018-03-20 21:08 <danbanner> well an ini setting would make much more sense 
2018-03-20 21:08 <danbanner> i have forked it and changed it
2018-03-20 21:08 <Bill_Blight> they are hardcoded I'm sure because joe moron who runs dream grid on his desktop would open them all the way up then complain here that opensim sucks
2018-03-20 21:08 <Tampa> exactly
2018-03-20 21:09 <danbanner> but i'd rather see the changes added to core
2018-03-20 21:09 <Tampa> Then submit the patch and try not to get into a shouting match on mantis
2018-03-20 21:09 <danbanner> bill: but you would just have joe moron complaining not all the rest of the users too
2018-03-20 21:10 <Tampa> Vocal minority can do more damage then contempt majority
2018-03-20 21:10 <Plugh> You could make a patch that adds settings to OpenSimDefaults.ini so most people will leave the settings as the default.
2018-03-20 21:10 <Ubit> ask viewers to send http throotles as they send UDP
2018-03-20 21:10 <Ubit> that is what is needed
2018-03-20 21:10 <danbanner> heh
2018-03-20 21:10 <Tampa> Plugh, yeah even then it's unlikely to get added
2018-03-20 21:10 <danbanner> good luck with viewer dev cooperation
2018-03-20 21:11 <Ubit> current region http throotles use UDP values
2018-03-20 21:11 <Ubit> increase those and you will have more bandwidth
2018-03-20 21:11 <Bill_Blight> This goes all the way back to my base argument, "Opensimulator is a complex server/cleint based environment, and was never intended for the desktop user, and too much time is spent accomidating them."
2018-03-20 21:12 <Plugh> danbanner: Any idea why items take so long to rez in Hurliman Plaza in osgrid?
2018-03-20 21:12 <Ubit> they cannot be by option on ini ( except upper bounds)  they are per client
2018-03-20 21:12 <danbanner> probably because theres a lot of mesh there
2018-03-20 21:12 <Plugh> Bill_Blight: :)
2018-03-20 21:12 <Ubit> so complain to viewers and aburd pseudo mesh creators that have no idea what they are doing
2018-03-20 21:13 <Bill_Blight> I mean just because Joe Moron wants to run a grid on his desktop that he also uses to surf youtube for cat videos, does not mean that the devs should cater to that ..
2018-03-20 21:13 <Tampa> Ubit, is that just the bandwidth slider in the viewer?
2018-03-20 21:13 <Ubit> yes
2018-03-20 21:13 <Ubit> singu does have a http one, but internal only
2018-03-20 21:13 <Tampa> Is there any multiplcator or something added?
2018-03-20 21:13 <Ubit> yes there is a mult
2018-03-20 21:14 <Tampa> So put the mult into the ini?
2018-03-20 21:14 <Ubit> that must be a user setting
2018-03-20 21:14 <Ubit> like games downloads are now
2018-03-20 21:15 <Ubit> we can't guess each one bandwith uses
2018-03-20 21:16 <Tampa> But we can determine the max bandwidth a grid can provide, the amount of active users and how much is likely to be used by each user, thus we can determine what the maximum multiplcator for each person would be before we start running out of bandwidth on the grid end
2018-03-20 21:16 <Ubit> thats for upper bounds only
2018-03-20 21:16 <Tampa> Max_per_user_bandwidth=
2018-03-20 21:16 <danbanner> would that be assuming each user is using max values all at same time?
2018-03-20 21:17 <Ubit> that will need to be more dinamic
2018-03-20 21:17 <Tampa> Most users either use max values and have issues because of that or use the standard value somewhere around 1000
2018-03-20 21:17 <danbanner> some users chat and dont use much at all
2018-03-20 21:17 <Ubit> but users should have a target value like they have for udp
2018-03-20 21:18 <Ubit> and as i said, all games download tools not do have also
2018-03-20 21:18 <Ubit> not i meant now
2018-03-20 21:19 <Ubit> but nothing with fix bad meshs
2018-03-20 21:19 <Ubit> will...
2018-03-20 21:19 <danbanner> true
2018-03-20 21:19 <Bill_Blight> and the stolen bento bodies which started this conversation, are crazy heavy on the mesh side ..
2018-03-20 21:19 <Ubit> introdution of meshes did raised the required knowhow
2018-03-20 21:20 <Ubit> they are not as simple as just prims, or even sculpts that where small by definition
2018-03-20 21:20 <Bill_Blight> Dinner time, back in a bit ...  good discussion ..
2018-03-20 21:20 <osmantis> Bug #8257:04 Error generating login response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8257 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-20 21:20 <Ubit> and btw ll did update the rendering engine
2018-03-20 21:21 <Ubit> it bets  many game engines by far on dynamic content
2018-03-20 21:21 <Tampa> Point I am trying to make here is that whatever multiplicator is applied to the udp maximum should be adjustable from the grid side based on either system bandwidth or user setting. If I know how many users I have at one time on my grid and know my servers bandwidth then I can also assign how much
2018-03-20 21:21 <Tampa> bandwidth I would like to allocate for this. This would not be upper bounds, it would be that whatever the user sets times the multiplicator.
2018-03-20 21:22 <Priestov> I just asked the question that interests me ... I think not only I care about this.
2018-03-20 21:22 <Tampa> Though you are correct in saying that realistically viewers need to add http slider for it to make the most sense.
2018-03-20 21:22 <Ubit> we need a bar like singu did add, and the value sent to regions, like udp is
2018-03-20 21:25 <Ubit> and mesh avatars was a very bad idea imo
2018-03-20 21:26 <Ubit> ll should had improved the basic shape
2018-03-20 21:26 <Ubit> that is downloaded with the viewers all the time
2018-03-20 21:27 <Priestov> People do not want to live in the 19th century. They want to use modern developments. What's bad about it?
2018-03-20 21:27 <Ubit> instead the added crap limitations like the jelly thing and warnings about avatar complexity
2018-03-20 21:28 <Tampa> pBytes = 10000; ThrottleBytes = pBytes; That's 10kbps?
2018-03-20 21:28 <Ubit> thats min value
2018-03-20 21:28 <Ubit> and its bytes
2018-03-20 21:28 <Ubit> ( a byte is about 10bits on that )
2018-03-20 21:30 <Tampa> So what is the max?
2018-03-20 21:30 <Ubit> no current max..  nominal value cames from udp
2018-03-20 21:31 <Tampa> So its equal to udp or what's the multiplicator on it?
2018-03-20 21:31 <Ubit> there is a mult
2018-03-20 21:32 <Plugh> pBytes? That's a new one
2018-03-20 21:32 <Tampa> Lookint at GetTextureModule.cs at the moment trying to figure out where the throttles apply and in what way
2018-03-20 21:32 <Plugh> petabytes  ;)
2018-03-20 21:32 <Ubit> what are you talking about Plugh ?? a variable name is a new thing?
2018-03-20 21:33 <Plugh> What does the p stand for?
2018-03-20 21:33 <Ubit> its a NAME
2018-03-20 21:33 <Ubit> ask teravus, i think he did name that
2018-03-20 21:33 <Ubit> was teravus who did introduce original throotly code
2018-03-20 21:34 <Ubit> bahh  discussing a variable name? really ??
2018-03-20 21:34 <Tampa> int add = (int)(ThrottleBytes * timeElapsed * 0.001); So it throttles more the longer it takes to send
2018-03-20 21:35 <Ubit> well if you want to read code, first learn what code is
2018-03-20 21:35 <Ubit> :p
2018-03-20 21:35 <Ubit> ( the name ADD is a clue there )
2018-03-20 21:35 <Tampa> Oh fault me for trying why don't you
2018-03-20 21:36 <Ubit> i did made that code :p
2018-03-20 21:36 <Ubit> well its current version
2018-03-20 21:37 <Tampa> Jesus christ we are back the old debacle again, people trying to discuss decisions and possible solutions to problems that may benefit everyone and are more adjusted to what may be appropriate given the curernt time and landscape, but god forbid if you haven't wrote at least 20 linux kernel patches.
2018-03-20 21:37 <Tampa> I don't have the patience for that today.
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2018-03-20 21:38 <osmantis> Bug #8257:04 Error generating login response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8257 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-20 21:40 <danbanner> 
ACTION finishes popcorn

2018-03-20 21:40 <Priestov> no no!
2018-03-20 21:40 <Priestov> The problem is not solved))
2018-03-20 21:40 <Ubit> yeah yeah..  looking to code, not understanding it and telling here the larger the selected bandwitdh is  the slower it is, is very usefull
2018-03-20 21:41 <Ubit> and talk about patience to read this :p
2018-03-20 21:41 <danbanner> hehe
2018-03-20 21:42 <Priestov> I honestly say: I'm not a programmer. But I see the problem, and I want to solve it with your help.
2018-03-20 21:44 <Ubit> without some user side setting allowing user to decide what % of his bandwidth he allows viewer to use, its hard 
2018-03-20 21:44 <Ubit> ll in the past ddi understud that, and added the udp setting
2018-03-20 21:44 <Ubit> now.. no idea what they are thinking..
2018-03-20 21:45 <Ubit> when i go SL with FS it kills all my net uses, and even so meshes take ages
2018-03-20 21:46 <Bill_Blight> The issue is those throttles if you make the throttle smaller and the bandwidth larger, that has to come from somewhere, ie, it steals from physics, it steals from scene updates, it is going to steal it from someplace
2018-03-20 21:47 <danbanner> scene updates and physics dont matter if you have no content loaded to see
2018-03-20 21:47 <Bill_Blight> I'm thinking if your mesh loads twice as fast, but nobody else on the sim can move
2018-03-20 21:47 <Ubit> it is not easy to set/guess good values for each user ( lets forget region for now )
2018-03-20 21:47 <Bill_Blight> yes but we are not talking just about that we are talkign about everytime a new avatar lands
2018-03-20 21:47 <Priestov> I understand. But how does it work in 0.8.x?
2018-03-20 21:47 <danbanner> Priestov: magic
2018-03-20 21:48 <Priestov> ))))
2018-03-20 21:48 <Bill_Blight> if every new avatar that lands takes most of the bandwidth how is that a plesant experience for those already there
2018-03-20 21:48 <Ubit> we had no major issues bc most regions are well empty :p
2018-03-20 21:49 <danbanner> that never happened in 0.8 tho?
2018-03-20 21:49 <Bill_Blight> you must not have been on the sims I was on
2018-03-20 21:49 <Ubit> empty regions take very little net :)
2018-03-20 21:49 <Bill_Blight> everytime a new "mesh body" landed, it turned into a stutter fest for a while
2018-03-20 21:49 <Ubit> and there is more critical http trafic
2018-03-20 21:50 <Ubit> you don't go far if you do not get details about wearables
2018-03-20 21:50 <Ubit> current outfit is kinda critical
2018-03-20 21:51 <Ubit> comms with nearby regions...
2018-03-20 21:51 <Ubit> details about parcels..
2018-03-20 21:51 <Ubit> blablabla
2018-03-20 21:51 <Ubit> tons of critical stuff also via http
2018-03-20 21:51 <Bill_Blight> and I am speaking of "busy" regions danbanner, not one or two avatars in the region
2018-03-20 21:51 <Ubit> and viewers do timeout
2018-03-20 21:52 <Ubit> meshes and textures are not critical
2018-03-20 21:53 <Ubit> they only matter for visual.. see?
2018-03-20 22:00 <Priestov> But for many people (especially girls), the appearance of the avatar is very important ...
2018-03-20 22:01 <Bill_Blight> and they can't wait a few extra seconds?
2018-03-20 22:01 <Bill_Blight> to have a better overall experience
2018-03-20 22:01 <Priestov> It is important to observe the balance sheet
2018-03-20 22:01 <Bill_Blight> or to make sure they don't make others experience suck
2018-03-20 22:01 <Ubit> if they keep the same boyfriends they will rez fast for them :p
2018-03-20 22:01 <Ubit> ( meshes on viewers caches )
2018-03-20 22:02 <Bill_Blight> like that's gonna happen Ubit
2018-03-20 22:02 <Priestov> wait a few extra seconds? for my grid it is 10-15 min
2018-03-20 22:02 <Bill_Blight> then you have other issues
2018-03-20 22:03 <Bill_Blight> takes about 30 to 45 seconds for a mesh body to rez on a region with 20 people on it
2018-03-20 22:03 <Ubit> like.. do you really have network bandwitdh ? :p
2018-03-20 22:03 <Bill_Blight> we do it every friday night
2018-03-20 22:04 <Bill_Blight> I'm wondering if this is an issue only for people who have UPGRADED to .9x and not started off that way .. might be something to look at, or some leftover crap in the configs 
2018-03-20 22:05 <Bill_Blight> or stuff missing from the configs, if using the old configs and not the new ones as suggested on the wiki
2018-03-20 22:05 <Priestov> mmm... im use 0.9 from zero
2018-03-20 22:06 <Priestov> for*
2018-03-20 22:06 <Priestov> sorry for my english)
2018-03-20 22:06 <Priestov> I used 0.9 from the very beginning
2018-03-20 22:06 <Bill_Blight> well if it is taking 10 -15 minutes to rez mesh , then I think you have other issues
2018-03-20 22:07 <Priestov> not use 0.8.2
2018-03-20 22:07 <Priestov> not migration
2018-03-20 22:09 <Priestov> ok..who will help me with the search for a problem?
2018-03-20 22:09 <Bill_Blight> The ONLY time I see mesh take a long time to load is when someone from a slow grid HG's in 
2018-03-20 22:09 <Bill_Blight> I'm out of ideas at the moment
2018-03-20 22:11 <Priestov> You talked about a bandwitdh.... i have 50/50 mbit
2018-03-20 22:12 <Bill_Blight> so that is really only 5MB
2018-03-20 22:12 <Bill_Blight> but still should be enough for light loaded sims
2018-03-20 22:13 <Ubit> hired band does not always mean real one
2018-03-20 22:15 <Ubit> you may "pay" for 1Gbps on a datacenter, and it only has 1Gbps for all its clients  ( just numbers (
2018-03-20 22:15 <Bill_Blight> also if it is "residential" service they don't guarntee any service level
2018-03-20 22:15 <Priestov> im have now 40Mbps and 34Mbps
2018-03-20 22:16 <Priestov> download/upload
2018-03-20 22:16 <Bill_Blight> yes, notice the lowercase b
2018-03-20 22:16 <Ubit> the old contention values are still kinda valid
2018-03-20 22:17 <Ubit> if you are a ISP with 100MB, you can sell 100MB connections to 50 users
2018-03-20 22:17 <Ubit> 50 was the typical value
2018-03-20 22:17 <Priestov> understand
2018-03-20 22:18 <Bill_Blight> actually what they sell is 100Mb connections, lower case "b"
2018-03-20 22:18 <Bill_Blight> https://www.google.com/search?q=50Mb+to+MB&oq=50Mb+to+MB&aqs=chrome..69i57j6j0.6831j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
2018-03-20 22:18 <Ubit> yeap bits not bytes
2018-03-20 22:18 <Priestov> but why does it take so long to load the mesh?))))!
2018-03-20 22:18 <Priestov> ))))))
2018-03-20 22:18 <Ubit> guess there is not only one...
2018-03-20 22:18 <Ubit> and guess they are not very small
2018-03-20 22:19 <Bill_Blight> better question Priestov, is why does it take so long for YOU to load mesh .. :P
2018-03-20 22:19 <Priestov> ahahaha))))
2018-03-20 22:19 <Priestov> lo
2018-03-20 22:19 <Priestov> l
2018-03-20 22:20 <Ubit> what is the udp bandwidth you have selected ?
2018-03-20 22:21 <Priestov> i have unlimit chanell 50MB
2018-03-20 22:21 <Ubit> i mean on the viewer
2018-03-20 22:21 <Priestov> momment
2018-03-20 22:22 <Bill_Blight> also under [ClientStack.LindenUDP] could make a diff
2018-03-20 22:23 <Bill_Blight> also is this a new linux box?  fresh clean, new liux boxes are UDP anemic
2018-03-20 22:24 <Priestov> hm... but it is problem not chanell. Mesh downloading wery good in 0.8
2018-03-20 22:24 <Priestov> in 0.8. im not have problem with mesh
2018-03-20 22:24 <Bill_Blight> then my suggestion if mesh is your biggest issue, as dan said, stan on .8x
2018-03-20 22:25 <Bill_Blight> *stay
2018-03-20 22:26 <Priestov> but some other functions do not work at 0.8.(((
2018-03-20 22:26 <Priestov> eh(((
2018-03-20 22:27 <Bill_Blight> yep, so you decide if you want the new stuff, use it, can't run my windows 3.1 programs on Windows 10 either
2018-03-20 22:28 <Bill_Blight> The throttle is designed to improve overall user experience, while it may impact individuals, it is supposed to stop a single user or mesh object from eating up all the bandwidth.
2018-03-20 22:29 <Ubit> the need for http throttles that 0.8 did not had is pretty obvius
2018-03-20 22:29 <Bill_Blight> it is to me
2018-03-20 22:29 <Ubit> and found on real regions with real use by several users at same time.
2018-03-20 22:29 <Ubit> and got worse in time, as LL did move more critical data to http
2018-03-20 22:30 <Ubit> as i said, meshes and textures are not critical data
2018-03-20 22:30 <Ubit> just not pretty..
2018-03-20 22:31 <Priestov> and can you make a patch that would allow you to use the download as in version 0.8, and not limit the bandwidth to the pass?
2018-03-20 22:32 <Ubit> that is very easy to do.. but i will not do something i think is wrong :p
2018-03-20 22:32 <Ubit> and im not telling current code is good.. it is far from that
2018-03-20 22:35 <Bill_Blight> I think the throttles are a little restrictive, yet on the other side, I can put 30 avatars on a region and the 31st that lands does not bring everyone else to a crawl
2018-03-20 22:40 <Ubit> btw ping matters also
2018-03-20 22:40 <Ubit> each mesh is several http requests
2018-03-20 22:41 <Ubit> and master does not have keepalive, unlike httptests
2018-03-20 22:43 <Ubit> ( and viewer fps is also in the middle of that.. )
2018-03-20 22:44 <Bill_Blight> yep but this is a case of , "I want my mesh to load fast, and to hell with everyone else on the sim!"
2018-03-20 22:44 <Priestov> ))
2018-03-20 22:44 <Ubit> yeap
2018-03-20 22:45 <Ubit> well not a easy thing.. and we do need to be conservative to avoid issues
2018-03-20 22:46 <Priestov> im sorry)
2018-03-20 22:46 <Ubit> as i said a viewer value whould make this a lot easier
2018-03-20 22:46 <Bill_Blight> Well and the one thing a lot of people complain about is scaleability and you don't achieve that by giveing everything to everybody
2018-03-20 22:49 <Bill_Blight> This was the exact issue Metropolis ran into with the Ariba sims connecting, freakytech had removed all throttles, and when his sims were attached they just sucked down the asset server , and since they run .8x there were not throttles
2018-03-20 22:53 <Bill_Blight> ^^  At least that was my understanding of the situation with what I was told ^^
2018-03-20 22:54 <Ubit> hmm had no info about what happened 
2018-03-20 22:54 <Bill_Blight> that was well over a year ago now I think
2018-03-20 22:55 <Ubit> ahh i was thinking about the more recent issue
2018-03-20 22:55 <Bill_Blight> no that was different, this was quite a while back
2018-03-20 22:55 <Ubit> ok
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2018-03-21 00:55 <ssm2017> thank you for this very instructive discussion :)
2018-03-21 02:22 <andsim> Bill_Blight can i pm u
2018-03-21 03:20 <andsim> why mesh  texture is very slow loaDING'
2018-03-21 03:21 <andsim> likew  2 or 3 hrs
2018-03-21 03:21 <andsim> or stay that way
2018-03-21 03:22 <andsim> until u look at front of it
2018-03-21 03:22 <andsim> it looad
2018-03-21 03:51 <virtual2020> Hello, everyone. I am in the process of setting up a grid-mode configuration. Should the data services and the region services be running on 2 different servers? 
2018-03-21 03:55 <andsim> not req do that but u can
2018-03-21 03:55 <andsim> not in server
2018-03-21 03:55 <andsim> but database
2018-03-21 03:56 <virtual2020> Would it be advisable?
2018-03-21 03:57 <Bill_Blight> depends , if your main db server has enough power to handle it all you can just put it all there . if not , remember that you have to backup all the different DB's on the different servers or you loose the regions if you have to restore ..
2018-03-21 03:59 <virtual2020> Thank you. I really appreciate the help. 
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2018-03-22 05:57 <djphil> Can someone give me a little more information about the "Value" field of the "avatars" table.
2018-03-22 05:57 <djphil> As you can see on the wiki, the information on this field is very limited ...
2018-03-22 05:57 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Avatars
2018-03-22 05:57 <djphil> I would like precisely to know what are the 2 uuid present in this field.
2018-03-22 05:57 <djphil> Are they uuid of the inventoryitems table or of the assets table?
2018-03-22 07:18 <djphil> it seems like:
2018-03-22 07:18 <djphil> uuid 1 = inventoryID from inventoryitems
2018-03-22 07:18 <djphil> uuid 2 = assetID from inventoryitems
2018-03-22 07:18 <djphil> can you confirm ?
2018-03-22 11:05 <osmantis> Bug #8306:04 mesh object do not work with current bullet-sim physics.. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8306 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-03-22 11:36 <osmantis> Bug #8306:04 mesh object do not work with current bullet-sim physics.. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8306 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-22 11:46 <osmantis> Bug #8306:04 mesh object do not work with current bullet-sim physics.. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8306 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-22 13:32 <osmantis> Bug #8306:04 mesh object do not work with current bullet-sim physics.. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8306 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-22 13:35 <osmantis> Bug #8306:04 mesh object do not work with current bullet-sim physics.. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8306 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2018-03-22 15:54 <osmantis> Bug #8306:04 mesh object do not work with current bullet-sim physics.. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8306 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-22 15:59 <osmantis> Bug #8306:04 mesh object do not work with current bullet-sim physics.. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8306 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-22 16:03 <Plugh> It would be nice if viewers had a progress bar when doing a mesh upload. This upload is taking ages to do the Calculate weights step. :P
2018-03-22 16:04 <Tampa> I just do something else while it does that heh
2018-03-22 16:05 <Plugh> I'll be doing something else shortly. Having lunch. :)
2018-03-22 16:06 <Plugh> Its been calculating for at least 3 minutes so far. Probably more like 4.
2018-03-22 16:06 <Plugh> I don't think it took this long when I did an upload of the same model in 0.8
2018-03-22 16:07 <Tampa> Well technically you can upload it directly to the asset server or something like that, someone mention something like that a while back
2018-03-22 16:07 <Tampa> Would be nice to just be able to make an upload page linked to robust or something instead
2018-03-22 16:08 <Plugh> That's an idea. I have the item uploaded in 0.8 so I could export the asset record and pull it in to the 0.9 based grid.
2018-03-22 16:08 <Plugh> I shouldn't have to go that route but if needs must...
2018-03-22 16:08 <Tampa> Depending on the physics though
2018-03-22 16:09 <Tampa> Would need to be uploaded properly in the first place
2018-03-22 16:09 <Tampa> Then yeah
2018-03-22 16:10 <Tampa> Plugh, nebadon probably knows how to get massive mesh in there reliably and fast
2018-03-22 16:11 <Plugh> It is one his mesh objects I'm trying to upload.
2018-03-22 16:11 <Plugh> hehe... speaking of nebadon
2018-03-22 16:11 <Plugh> nebadon: Hello. You are just in time.
2018-03-22 16:13 <Plugh> It has been over 10 minutes and it still hasn't finished calculating.
2018-03-22 16:13 <Tampa> Well, it can get stuck and then take a long time before finally just giving you an error
2018-03-22 16:13 <Plugh> I'm just going to cancel it and try again in another region after I relog.
2018-03-22 16:14 <Tampa> That tends to help
2018-03-22 16:14 <Tampa> I usually relog after every upload
2018-03-22 16:14 <Plugh> Oh. Just as I go back to the viewer it finally finished. It took about 16 minutes to calculate.
2018-03-22 16:14 <Tampa> Yay!
2018-03-22 16:14 <Plugh> It didn't take anywhere near that long under 0.8 so something seems wrong. Just not sure what.
2018-03-22 16:15 <Tampa> New physics checks probably
2018-03-22 16:16 <Plugh> Perhaps. I made a simple pair of cubes object for the physics model.
2018-03-22 16:16 <nebadon> hey
2018-03-22 16:16 <nebadon> sorry wasnt looking at screen
2018-03-22 16:16 <Plugh> np
2018-03-22 16:16 <nebadon> yea heavy mesh can take long time
2018-03-22 16:16 <nebadon> generally that means you have exceed a limit
2018-03-22 16:16 <nebadon> and the mesh is calculating a solution how to split it
2018-03-22 16:16 <Plugh> I've been trying to upload your makerbot in to a 0.9 grid. It loaded just fine and quickly in an 0.8 grid.
2018-03-22 16:16 <nebadon> yea that thing is heavy as hell
2018-03-22 16:17 <nebadon> the simulator should have almost no bearing on mesh upload
2018-03-22 16:17 <nebadon> as its like 95% processed by viewer
2018-03-22 16:17 <nebadon> the simulator just receives the final product
2018-03-22 16:17 <Plugh> It seems to have an impact. I've failed three times to upload the makerbot to 0.9
2018-03-22 16:18 <Tampa> Which can take some time, not sure if that's throttles or just poor netcode though
2018-03-22 16:18 <nebadon> I cant really think of anything between 0.8 and 0.9 that would effect uploads
2018-03-22 16:18 <Plugh> Under 0.9 I think I have a different than the 0.9 grid so that may be one reason it took longer (16 minutes total) to do the calculations.
2018-03-22 16:18 <nebadon> calculations are 100% viewer side
2018-03-22 16:19 <nebadon> none of it is done on sim
2018-03-22 16:19 <Plugh> Taking that long to do calculations is going to make some people give up.
2018-03-22 16:19 <nebadon> well it depends on the model
2018-03-22 16:19 <nebadon> that model probably exceeds the limits
2018-03-22 16:19 <nebadon> so the viewer has to spend a lot of time cutting the model into peices
2018-03-22 16:19 <nebadon> if you avoid having the viewer make decisions for you
2018-03-22 16:19 <Plugh> oh, great. Now I'm being told that the region I'm in is going down for restart in 3 minutes. :P
2018-03-22 16:19 <nebadon> it goes like 90% faster
2018-03-22 16:20 <nebadon> like if the viewer has to resize textures and split model
2018-03-22 16:20 <nebadon> its going to take very long time
2018-03-22 16:20 <nebadon> if you do that all yourself before uploading the upload happens very fast by comparison
2018-03-22 16:20 <Plugh> nebadon: This is your makerbot model. You should have an idea what its like.
2018-03-22 16:20 <nebadon> nah i didnt make that
2018-03-22 16:20 <Plugh> oh.
2018-03-22 16:20 <nebadon> its from Sketchup Warehouse
2018-03-22 16:21 <nebadon> I just uploaded it
2018-03-22 16:21 <Plugh> Is that where you got the Pi model?
2018-03-22 16:21 <Tampa> Join it in blender, LOD high,high,med,none, physics to from file or med
2018-03-22 16:21 <nebadon> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mesh/Technical_Overview
2018-03-22 16:22 <nebadon> yea maybe there are a bunch of Pi models out there
2018-03-22 16:22 <Plugh> Well, that's a waste of 20 minutes. The region is restarting in 30 seconds. Model not uploaded yet.
2018-03-22 16:22 <nebadon> also one thing that really makes the viewer take long
2018-03-22 16:22 <nebadon> is when an single object exceeds 8 materials
2018-03-22 16:22 <Tampa> Why are you on a region that does that?
2018-03-22 16:22 <nebadon> so if you have more than 8 materials, you exceed certain number of triangles and all your textures are some wierd resolutions
2018-03-22 16:23 <nebadon> you should expect it to either fail or take 20-60 minutes to upload
2018-03-22 16:23 <Plugh> I wasn't expecting it to restart. Region restarts are usually done hours ago and they haven't been done in days so it should have been safe.
2018-03-22 16:23 <Plugh> nebadon: It took mere minutes to upload in 0.8
2018-03-22 16:23 <Tampa> Plugh, send me a link to the model I'll work it over and get it uploaded nicely :)
2018-03-22 16:23 <nebadon> thats odd Plugh
2018-03-22 16:23 <nebadon> i cant really think of any reason why it would go faster in 0.8
2018-03-22 16:23 <Plugh> nebadon: I know. That's why I'm wondering what's going on.
2018-03-22 16:23 <nebadon> other than just a fluke
2018-03-22 16:24 <nebadon> you should maybe try to repeat it
2018-03-22 16:24 <nebadon> see if you get same results second time on 0.8
2018-03-22 16:24 <Plugh> I will be retrying it again (for the fourth time).
2018-03-22 16:24 <Plugh> or fifth. I'm losing track.
2018-03-22 16:25 <nebadon> haha
2018-03-22 16:25 <nebadon> if you stay within the parameters of the link above
2018-03-22 16:25 <nebadon> mesh upload speeds and reliabilty will be greatly improved
2018-03-22 16:25 <nebadon> having the viewer think always ends badly
2018-03-22 16:26 <nebadon> plus you have much better results with physics as well
2018-03-22 16:26 <Plugh> bbl. food time
2018-03-22 16:26 <nebadon> when the viewer splits model physics can get wierd too
2018-03-22 16:27 <Tampa> Which gets me thinking, does it need to think at all? What's the process behind what it does and couldn't that be done by something else?
2018-03-22 16:27 <nebadon> well there are memory limits
2018-03-22 16:27 <nebadon> so if the viewer detects you exceed those limits it has to split the model up to make it work
2018-03-22 16:28 <Tampa> Sure, but that's all just code, which could be taken and translated to other code aka robust.com/meshupload.php
2018-03-22 16:29 <nebadon> some of the thinking is the generating of LODs too
2018-03-22 16:29 <nebadon> that can be time consuming
2018-03-22 16:30 <nebadon> you could in theory create your own LODS and specify a different collada file for each level
2018-03-22 16:30 <nebadon> this would also really speed things up a lot
2018-03-22 16:30 <nebadon> genereating nice clean LODs is incredibly difficult
2018-03-22 16:30 <nebadon> and doing it in Robust in C# would probably make things much slower
2018-03-22 16:30 <nebadon> C# is not great at that kind of thing
2018-03-22 16:31 <Tampa> Was thinking php or python maybe, let a webserver do it pushing directly to asset server
2018-03-22 16:31 <nebadon> i doubt PHP could do it
2018-03-22 16:31 <nebadon> and python would probably be slower than C#
2018-03-22 16:31 <nebadon> it would need to be done in C++ or something fast
2018-03-22 16:32 <Tampa> Well even if takes longer, it's not in the viewer so it can run longer on its own
2018-03-22 16:32 <Tampa> Schedule an upload, wake up next morning, done
2018-03-22 16:32 <nebadon> yea its quite a complex operation, that probably could be done but it would not be easy
2018-03-22 16:33 <nebadon> and would probably be prone to bugs
2018-03-22 16:33 <nebadon> the problem i found is if you exceed any of those limits
2018-03-22 16:33 <nebadon> you get these horrible objects
2018-03-22 16:33 <nebadon> that are impossible to delete
2018-03-22 16:33 <nebadon> you end up having to hack into the database
2018-03-22 16:33 <nebadon> becasue they crash the viewer
2018-03-22 16:33 <nebadon> so you could potentially be creating a lot of seriously bad assets
2018-03-22 16:34 <nebadon> you can it with Radegast viewer
2018-03-22 16:34 <Tampa> Is the code for the upload part in the viewer fully available or are there closed dependencies?
2018-03-22 16:34 <nebadon> Radegast viewer can only upload objects in the highest LOD and does no checks to see if the model will break the viewer
2018-03-22 16:34 <nebadon> so if you upload something to heavy, then rez it with the SL viewer, the viewer either crashes
2018-03-22 16:34 <nebadon> then you can never log into that sim again
2018-03-22 16:35 <nebadon> or you get this explosion of triangles that breaks OpenGL renderer and you cant select the object to erase it
2018-03-22 16:35 <nebadon> its all open Tampa, atleast in the TPV viewers
2018-03-22 16:35 <nebadon> anything that is qualified for SL only is mostly closed
2018-03-22 16:35 <nebadon> it uses Havok
2018-03-22 16:36 <Tampa> So techically could just make an Upload-Viewer that has no rendering or anything just the upload dialog box
2018-03-22 16:36 <Tampa> Or pull the code out, make it headless and run on a machine somewhere... not that I would even remotely know where to begin with that
2018-03-22 16:37 <nebadon> ehhh i suppose you could
2018-03-22 16:37 <nebadon> that would probably be incredibly complicated though
2018-03-22 16:37 <nebadon> Radegast started to do that
2018-03-22 16:37 <nebadon> but its only like maybe 20% or less of the full functionality the viewer offers
2018-03-22 16:40 <nebadon> what would really be nice is if we could upload stuff other than Collada
2018-03-22 16:40 <nebadon> Collada is quite possibly one of the worst formats ever created
2018-03-22 16:40 <nebadon> the only redeeming quality is has is that its 100% open
2018-03-22 16:40 <nebadon> beyond that its a pile of steaming garbage
2018-03-22 16:42 <nebadon> there is like 8000 ways to write a collada file its basically just a gigantic XML file
2018-03-22 16:42 <nebadon> not one single 3D app creates collada files the same way
2018-03-22 16:42 <nebadon> its like everyone decided to implement their own versions of collada
2018-03-22 16:42 <nebadon> its a nightmare
2018-03-22 16:42 <Tampa> I tried making a webgl thing for my models two weeks ago, but no matter how I exported, it didn't like the format
2018-03-22 16:43 <nebadon> yea WebGL is not great either
2018-03-22 16:43 <nebadon> using three.js?
2018-03-22 16:43 <nebadon> if you want to use WebGL i suggest using Unity
2018-03-22 16:43 <Tampa> yeah
2018-03-22 16:43 <nebadon> if you dont want to go insane
2018-03-22 16:43 <nebadon> three.js is cool but its impractical for anything beyond demos and dev stuff right now
2018-03-22 16:44 <Tampa> Ideally I want something thats platform independent and comes with most browsers, but everyone is being incredibly secretive about this stuff
2018-03-22 16:44 <nebadon> yea the best chance of creating cross platform webgl right now is with unity
2018-03-22 16:44 <Tampa> But unity-web isn't built in?
2018-03-22 16:44 <nebadon> though realistically WebGL will work on maybe like 10-15% of computers and mobile devices world wide
2018-03-22 16:44 <nebadon> not sure what unity-web is
2018-03-22 16:45 <nebadon> you mean their old plugin?
2018-03-22 16:45 <nebadon> that died years ago
2018-03-22 16:45 <nebadon> and was never webgl
2018-03-22 16:45 <nebadon> it was more akin to adobe fash
2018-03-22 16:45 <nebadon> flash* 
2018-03-22 16:45 <nebadon> every web browser has blocked it
2018-03-22 16:46 <Tampa> Merely just trying to avoid anyone having to download a plugin or something to view this stuff
2018-03-22 16:46 <nebadon> yea Unity is pure WEBL
2018-03-22 16:46 <nebadon> WebGL
2018-03-22 16:46 <nebadon> there is no downloads
2018-03-22 16:46 <nebadon> i can show you a demo i made
2018-03-22 16:46 <nebadon> one sec
2018-03-22 16:46 <nebadon> http://dev.4dialog.com/webassembly/005/
2018-03-22 16:47 <nebadon> I think its this one
2018-03-22 16:47 <nebadon> give that a try
2018-03-22 16:47 <nebadon> give it a while to load
2018-03-22 16:47 <nebadon> its huge
2018-03-22 16:47 <nebadon> i was trying to push the limits of what is possible
2018-03-22 16:48 <nebadon> this is one of my 768x768 regions from my City models
2018-03-22 16:48 <nebadon> converted from OpenSIM to Unity
2018-03-22 16:48 <Tampa> How much tris is that roughly?
2018-03-22 16:48 <nebadon> 12 million I think
2018-03-22 16:49 <nebadon> its pretty heavy
2018-03-22 16:49 <Tampa> I think the most I have is half that
2018-03-22 16:49 <nebadon> its either 8 million or 12
2018-03-22 16:49 <nebadon> i did alot of these tests
2018-03-22 16:50 <nebadon> also that minimap
2018-03-22 16:51 <nebadon> is a realtime rendering from a camera that follows your avatar
2018-03-22 16:51 <nebadon> so its kind of impressive what can be done
2018-03-22 16:51 <Ubit> there are no throttles on meshes uploads
2018-03-22 16:51 <Tampa> Runs better than expected heh
2018-03-22 16:52 <Ubit> and there is no big diference on 0.9 versus 0.8, except 0.9 does costs estimations and refuses some trivial bas meshes
2018-03-22 16:52 <Ubit> timing is about the same..
2018-03-22 16:52 <Ubit> 99%  ( so not to say 100%) issues is viewer side
2018-03-22 16:53 <Ubit> and AGAIN physics engines take no part on meshes uploads
2018-03-22 16:54 <nebadon> yea Ubit i cant really see why there would be any difference in timing between versions
2018-03-22 16:54 <nebadon> it has not been my experience that anything there has changed
2018-03-22 16:55 <nebadon> however it is possible that the simulator you are in could make a differnece
2018-03-22 16:55 <nebadon> if you are in simualtor with lots of neighbors and lots of content
2018-03-22 16:55 <nebadon> that can make the viewer use more CPU / Network
2018-03-22 16:55 <nebadon> and can effect upload times
2018-03-22 16:55 <nebadon> i tend to go to very isolated Sandboxes when uploading
2018-03-22 16:55 <nebadon> it goes alot faster than being in a huge cluster of simulators all talking to each other
2018-03-22 16:59 <Ubit> btw seen that mantis about viewers dae export?
2018-03-22 16:59 <Ubit> i just tested it... its damm BAD
2018-03-22 16:59 <nebadon> I have not
2018-03-22 16:59 <Ubit> a simple box exports tons of tris
2018-03-22 16:59 <Ubit> size dependent it seems
2018-03-22 16:59 <Tampa> Also doesn't make sense, because I cannot replicate the problem of it spewing errors
2018-03-22 17:00 <nebadon> a Prim cube converted to mesh is insanely heavy
2018-03-22 17:00 <nebadon> its over 100 tris I think
2018-03-22 17:00 <Ubit> a nonsense really
2018-03-22 17:00 <nebadon> its because of the torturability of it
2018-03-22 17:00 <Ubit> 206 one i tested
2018-03-22 17:00 <nebadon> cut/twist etc..
2018-03-22 17:00 <Ubit> yes but NO torture applied at all
2018-03-22 17:00 <nebadon> all that data gets exported even if its not being used
2018-03-22 17:00 <nebadon> yea
2018-03-22 17:00 <nebadon> but that data is still there
2018-03-22 17:00 <nebadon> in the prim
2018-03-22 17:01 <nebadon> the way export works
2018-03-22 17:01 <nebadon> its not reading the data from database
2018-03-22 17:01 <nebadon> its doing a GL capture
2018-03-22 17:01 <Ubit> guess the generator is just blind and makes all the tris needed to suport skew and twists 
2018-03-22 17:01 <nebadon> and just dumping what OpenGL has rendered on the screen
2018-03-22 17:01 <nebadon> if you lower your LOD and zoom camera out until prim distorts
2018-03-22 17:01 <Ubit> well if render engine does that also, it is bad
2018-03-22 17:01 <nebadon> then export it from that distorted view
2018-03-22 17:01 <nebadon> you get a distorted mesh
2018-03-22 17:01 <Ubit> i was near the prim
2018-03-22 17:02 <nebadon> yea Im just saying its exporting exactly that opengl is rendering
2018-03-22 17:02 <nebadon> not whats in opensim database
2018-03-22 17:02 <Ubit> but also the uploaded mesh, with defaults, the LODs are just terrible
2018-03-22 17:02 <nebadon> prim is great for network
2018-03-22 17:02 <Ubit> opensim has a prim type box :)
2018-03-22 17:02 <nebadon> but after its rendered they are pretty heavy
2018-03-22 17:03 <Ubit> well they  should be 12 tris and 8 vertices anywhere
2018-03-22 17:03 <Tampa> They are
2018-03-22 17:03 <Ubit> no they are not
2018-03-22 17:03 <Ubit> test it
2018-03-22 17:03 <Tampa> Or at least that vertice overload I am not seeing
2018-03-22 17:03 <Ubit> make a prim 1m side and export to DAE on a viewer
2018-03-22 17:04 <nebadon> yea try a Torus lol
2018-03-22 17:04 <Ubit> just read the dae file.. its text
2018-03-22 17:04 <nebadon> its like 1000+ tris
2018-03-22 17:04 <Ubit> well a torus is 2k tris
2018-03-22 17:04 <nebadon> yea those are the worst
2018-03-22 17:04 <Ubit> hmm if not 3k.. and those on ubMesh
2018-03-22 17:05 <Ubit> for ubode...
2018-03-22 17:05 <Ubit> but a box, well a box is a primitive for physics .. no mesh
2018-03-22 17:05 <Tampa> I exported my giant clock and opened it in Sketchup, the prims look exactly like they should even after triangulating the whole thing, so maybe this is the uploader itself breaking it, though I don't see how
2018-03-22 17:06 <Ubit> but a box with hollow has  errr forgot hmm 24 tris? something like that
2018-03-22 17:06 <Ubit> no it is not the uploader
2018-03-22 17:06 <Ubit> i did open the dae file on a editor
2018-03-22 17:06 <Ubit> and on blender
2018-03-22 17:07 <Ubit> singu:
2018-03-22 17:07 <Ubit> <float_array id="prim0-positions-array" count="162">
2018-03-22 17:07 <Ubit> FS:
2018-03-22 17:07 <Ubit> <float_array id="prim0-positions-array" count="288">
2018-03-22 17:08 <Ubit> that is 96 for fs, 54 on singu
2018-03-22 17:08 <Ubit> all boxes
2018-03-22 17:09 <Ubit> BAD
2018-03-22 17:09 <Ubit> anything exported this way needed heavy cleanup on blender
2018-03-22 17:09 <nebadon> yea
2018-03-22 17:09 <Plugh> I'm trying to upload this model one more time in 0.9
2018-03-22 17:10 <Plugh> Calculation started at 13:09:39
2018-03-22 17:10 <nebadon> the only way i was able to get 1 million cubes to render in the viewer was to make them mesh in blender
2018-03-22 17:10 <Tampa> Depends on Objects & Sculpts LOD slider in graphics options
2018-03-22 17:10 <Ubit> hmm yr unity thing did nothing  just see a still image :)
2018-03-22 17:10 <nebadon> 12 tris each
2018-03-22 17:10 <nebadon> otherwise the viewer started breaking down at like 600k Prims
2018-03-22 17:10 <Tampa> If you lower that is eventually looks like a basic box
2018-03-22 17:11 <nebadon> yea it can take a while to load Ubit
2018-03-22 17:11 <nebadon> try Chrome
2018-03-22 17:11 <nebadon> probably best results will be in chrome
2018-03-22 17:11 <Tampa> try wasd to move
2018-03-22 17:11 <nebadon> GPU makes a big difference with WebGL stuff
2018-03-22 17:11 <Ubit> "thsi site says: An exception has .... "
2018-03-22 17:11 <nebadon> yea you probably ran out of memory heh
2018-03-22 17:11 <nebadon> 64 bit browser is best for WebGL
2018-03-22 17:11 <Ubit> me 16GB  really? :)
2018-03-22 17:12 <nebadon> well if your using 32bit browser it will pretty much always fail
2018-03-22 17:12 <nebadon> WebGL limits are ridiculously low in 32 bit
2018-03-22 17:12 <nebadon> its like 256mb
2018-03-22 17:12 <Ubit> err and no .. it only used some 2g
2018-03-22 17:12 <Ubit> i had taskmanager opened :)
2018-03-22 17:12 <nebadon> yea the browser can
2018-03-22 17:12 <nebadon> but webgl cant
2018-03-22 17:12 <Tampa> Set Objects Details to 0 in Graphics, turns the Prim into a proper basic box
2018-03-22 17:12 <Ubit> well this was with edge
2018-03-22 17:13 <nebadon> oh yea Edge isnt great for webgl
2018-03-22 17:13 <Ubit> let me see Chrome
2018-03-22 17:13 <nebadon> try chrome 
2018-03-22 17:13 <nebadon> yea it should work in chrome
2018-03-22 17:13 <Plugh> Calculation finished by 13:12:14. This time I went to a sandbox not adjacent to any other regions and I shutdown Firefox which can generate a big load on my system from YouTube pages where the video is on pause.
2018-03-22 17:13 <Plugh> Let's see if the upload works this time or not.
2018-03-22 17:13 <Tampa> 12,2,2,2 LOD be like wut
2018-03-22 17:14 <Ubit> yes tampa, but will turn a torus into a box also possible
2018-03-22 17:14 <Tampa> Wonder if this is new, the old clock I exported last year does not have all those extra tris, maybe it depends on the size of the linkset and prims
2018-03-22 17:15 <Plugh> Nope. Failed to upload. I just can't get the makerbot model to upload in an 0.9 based grid. It fails every time. It uploaded in to an 0.8 based grid with no problem.
2018-03-22 17:15 <Ubit> i tested only 1 box, 2 and 3
2018-03-22 17:15 <Tampa> Plugh, give me the model, I'll make it upload >:D
2018-03-22 17:15 <Ubit> what error did you got?
2018-03-22 17:15 <Plugh> It doesn't say.
2018-03-22 17:16 <Ubit> then NOt region issue.. region gives error when it does not like the data
2018-03-22 17:16 <Ubit> same error with chrom neb
2018-03-22 17:17 <Plugh> I've tried multiple times in different regions of an 0.9 grid using the same model, same simplified physics model, same LOD settings, and same viewer.
2018-03-22 17:17 <Plugh> The only main difference is the version of OS and the physics model in use.
2018-03-22 17:17 <Ubit> bahh
2018-03-22 17:18 <nebadon> how quickly does it fail?
2018-03-22 17:18 <Ubit> "physics model in use" you say that as if a minor thing
2018-03-22 17:18 <Ubit> man... get real
2018-03-22 17:18 <Tampa> Oi, model, pls, I wanna fix
2018-03-22 17:18 <Ubit> and what did you select by the way?
2018-03-22 17:20 <nebadon> maybe screenshot of your upload settings be good to see
2018-03-22 17:22 <Plugh> nebadon: Takes a while before it fails. Couple of minutes or so.
2018-03-22 17:22 <Plugh> nebadon: Can you give Tampa the link to the mesh model? It is on your site somewhere.
2018-03-22 17:25 <Ubit> yeack  gastei 17L$ hoje a testar aquilo do root prim no sl
2018-03-22 17:28 <Ubit> ooops PT is on the other irc window not this one :)
2018-03-22 17:29 <Ubit> "i spent 17L$ testing that wrong root prim issue on FS today, at sl "
2018-03-22 17:30 <nebadon> hmm
2018-03-22 17:30 <nebadon> not sure I rememeber where i put it hehe
2018-03-22 17:31 <Plugh> Ubit, the model has 80,000 triangles. so I set the LOD's to half the previous value as I go down the list. It is set to smaller non-moving object. Physics is from file and the file is two simple boxes.
2018-03-22 17:31 <Ubit> that is over SL specs
2018-03-22 17:31 <Plugh> I must have the wrong URL as I get a video showing on the screen instead of your menus.
2018-03-22 17:32 <nebadon> oh
2018-03-22 17:32 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/makerbot
2018-03-22 17:32 <nebadon> hah
2018-03-22 17:32 <nebadon> i logged into site
2018-03-22 17:32 <Ubit> and number of prims is not the only issue.. topology is also
2018-03-22 17:32 <Ubit> some may make the viewer smoke
2018-03-22 17:33 <Tampa> Yikes why is that thing so large
2018-03-22 17:33 <Plugh> This is the same model that uploaded to an 0.8 grid with no problem. Maybe its physics related. I just discovered that the 0.8 grid seems to be using ODE physics. Why on earth they have it set to that I don't know. The 0.9 grid is using ubODE.
2018-03-22 17:34 <Plugh> 80k isn't that big.
2018-03-22 17:34 <nebadon> all the text is geometry
2018-03-22 17:34 <nebadon> also its a lot of fine detail
2018-03-22 17:34 <nebadon> its a 3D printer
2018-03-22 17:34 <Ubit> its over sl specs if i remember
2018-03-22 17:35 <Ubit> well it did load .. on blender :p
2018-03-22 17:35 <Plugh> I don't recall the recent page on uploading mesh stating a limit.
2018-03-22 17:35 <Plugh> That should be added to the page.
2018-03-22 17:35 <Ubit> replicator2 :)
2018-03-22 17:35 <Plugh> yup.
2018-03-22 17:35 <Plugh> hm... I could try uploading it as an IAR.
2018-03-22 17:35 <Ubit> neb did paste the sl wiki here
2018-03-22 17:36 <Ubit> and its viewer limits .. we do not check those
2018-03-22 17:36 <Plugh> Would be nice to check those rather than wasting a lot of time waiting to see if a model will upload or not.
2018-03-22 17:37 <Tampa> Yeah gimme a bit to work this thing over
2018-03-22 17:37 <Ubit> we can't.. viewers do not tell them to use
2018-03-22 17:37 <Ubit> and they even do not check.. just.. blowup
2018-03-22 17:38 <Ubit> well sl regions may check on costs
2018-03-22 17:38 <nebadon> best way to check is in Blender
2018-03-22 17:38 <nebadon> and realistically most free models you find on the web
2018-03-22 17:38 <nebadon> will fail without major cleanup and processing
2018-03-22 17:39 <nebadon> id be surprised if more than 1% of free models you find upload without problems
2018-03-22 17:39 <nebadon> and generally if you are making models yourself its very easy to stay within the guidlines
2018-03-22 17:39 <Plugh> Hm... The SL page Mesh/Upload Model UI reference doesn't mention a limit. 
2018-03-22 17:39 <Ubit> viewer does not even hit region cost evaluation code :)
2018-03-22 17:40 <nebadon> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mesh/Technical_Overview
2018-03-22 17:40 <nebadon> all limits are here
2018-03-22 17:40 <Plugh> I've wondered about that and why it never shows cost calc. Perhaps a missing PHP helper function.
2018-03-22 17:40 <nebadon> I also made a PDF one sec
2018-03-22 17:40 <Ubit> and mesh upload gets broken until viewer restart also
2018-03-22 17:40 <nebadon> http://nebadon2025.com/collada/Mesh%20Model%20Requirements.pdf
2018-03-22 17:41 <Plugh> 64k tris per texture face. The model has multiple parts to it.
2018-03-22 17:41 <nebadon> yes its per independant object within the model
2018-03-22 17:41 <nebadon> these limits
2018-03-22 17:42 <nebadon> not the entire file
2018-03-22 17:42 <Ubit> that is not correct
2018-03-22 17:42 <nebadon> what isnt?
2018-03-22 17:42 <Plugh> oops. 21k some odd tris. ~147k per object
2018-03-22 17:42 <Ubit> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Limits
2018-03-22 17:42 <Ubit> its per LOD not face
2018-03-22 17:43 <Ubit> ( then they say there is a bug LOL )
2018-03-22 17:43 <nebadon> yea
2018-03-22 17:46 <nebadon> one thing I always do in blender before exporting to collada
2018-03-22 17:46 <nebadon> seems to make things much easier
2018-03-22 17:46 <nebadon> is I join the whole model all the peices
2018-03-22 17:46 <nebadon> go into Edit, and hit P to punch
2018-03-22 17:46 <nebadon> and select by material
2018-03-22 17:46 <nebadon> this joins all mesh peices that have same material
2018-03-22 17:47 <Tampa> Just gotta make sure its not more than 65k tris per instance or it fails to even load
2018-03-22 17:47 <nebadon> you should however check on very heavy models that no one peice exceeds the tri limit
2018-03-22 17:47 <nebadon> if it does then just break it up into 2 3 peices until each peice is under the limit
2018-03-22 17:48 <Plugh> If its over the limits now it surprises me that I was able to load in 0.8 with ODE physics. The model loaded model looks just fine.
2018-03-22 17:48 <nebadon> letting the viewer make those decisons for you will not only make upload take 4-5 times longer
2018-03-22 17:48 <nebadon> but you will probably get bad results in the process as well
2018-03-22 17:48 <nebadon> well the viewer can handle files over the limits
2018-03-22 17:48 <nebadon> but it makes the upload take a lot longer
2018-03-22 17:48 <nebadon> and can be prone to failure
2018-03-22 17:48 <nebadon> but that is literally all 100% viewer side
2018-03-22 17:48 <nebadon> the simulator has zero impact on that part
2018-03-22 17:49 <Plugh> I'm uploading the same model with the same viewer.
2018-03-22 17:49 <nebadon> one thing i seriously hate about the viewer
2018-03-22 17:49 <nebadon> is say you have a collada file with 10 mesh in it
2018-03-22 17:49 <nebadon> and 5 of them have texture and 5 are just color only
2018-03-22 17:49 <nebadon> it randomly picks one of the textures and applies it to everything with no texture
2018-03-22 17:50 <nebadon> SOOOOOO ANoying
2018-03-22 17:50 <nebadon> like who the hell though that was a good idea
2018-03-22 17:50 <Ubit> the viewer does not connect to region to ask cost even
2018-03-22 17:51 <nebadon> and whats worse you can upload the model 5 times
2018-03-22 17:51 <nebadon> and every time it picks a different texture to randomly apply to non textured items
2018-03-22 17:53 <Ubit> yeah seems viewer gets lost doing the lods only
2018-03-22 17:54 <Ubit> both fs and singu
2018-03-22 17:54 <Ubit> this is not a easy model 
2018-03-22 17:54 <nebadon> yea that Makerbot is quite heavy
2018-03-22 17:54 <nebadon> its not an ideal model 
2018-03-22 17:55 <Ubit> oh singu did ask for cost
2018-03-22 17:55 <Ubit> now upload.. well.. doing something
2018-03-22 17:56 <Ubit> yeap did upload
2018-03-22 17:56 <Plugh> How does it ask for cost? It never shows cost.
2018-03-22 17:56 <Ubit> plugh try singu 
2018-03-22 17:56 <Plugh> What do you think I've been using?
2018-03-22 17:56 <Ubit> of course it does ask and show cost
2018-03-22 17:56 <Plugh> I tried it once in FS because it kept failing with Sing
2018-03-22 17:57 <Plugh> I've never seen a mesh object show cost.
2018-03-22 17:57 <Ubit> Singularity Viewer (64 bit) 1.8.6 (6157) Feb 26 2015 19:38:50 (Singularity) did upload
2018-03-22 17:57 <Ubit> and did not took that long actually
2018-03-22 17:57 <Ubit> yeap have one on my test grid :)
2018-03-22 17:57 <Plugh> Singularity Viewer (64 bit) 1.8.7 (6966) Nov 18 2017 11:17:33 (Singularity Test)
2018-03-22 17:58 <Ubit> hmm where is the power ?
2018-03-22 17:58 <Ubit> hm i did upload withou physics
2018-03-22 17:58 <Tampa> -.- blender just hates me today okay fine so much for joining
2018-03-22 17:59 <Plugh> I uploaded it in to 0.8 using a physics model that is just two boxes.
2018-03-22 17:59 <Ubit> testing with high now
2018-03-22 17:59 <Ubit> lets see
2018-03-22 18:00 <Plugh> I used LODs of 40000, 20000, and 10000
2018-03-22 18:00 <Ubit> im testing with defaults
2018-03-22 18:00 <Tampa> In terms of the actual model looking at it in Sketchup its clear its straight warehouse stuff as neb said
2018-03-22 18:00 <Ubit> hmm and seems lost
2018-03-22 18:01 <Plugh> bbl. My cat is calling.
2018-03-22 18:01 <Ubit> man to be 2 boxes, just add the boxes in world uff
2018-03-22 18:01 <Tampa> Can just make one and select from file
2018-03-22 18:01 <Ubit> physics boxes ARE NOT MESHES
2018-03-22 18:01 <Ubit> are a lot faster
2018-03-22 18:01 <Tampa> Not like its difficult to make boxes in Sketchup
2018-03-22 18:02 <Ubit> just add the colliders later in world
2018-03-22 18:02 <Ubit> bc boxes and sphres are physics primitives also
2018-03-22 18:02 <Ubit> faster than any mesh
2018-03-22 18:02 <Tampa> You know land impact still is a concern
2018-03-22 18:02 <nebadon> yea something like that i would just link a cube overtop of the whole thing as root
2018-03-22 18:02 <nebadon> and set everything else to "none" on physics
2018-03-22 18:03 <nebadon> upload physics at the very lowest LOD
2018-03-22 18:03 <Ubit> well selecting physics as high and singu is eating 30% of cpu and nothing
2018-03-22 18:03 <nebadon> yea I dont know about Ubode but i recall regular ODE
2018-03-22 18:04 <Ubit> well i did not restarted it.. and on mesh uploads one should
2018-03-22 18:04 <nebadon> would break beyond like 21 or 24k tris
2018-03-22 18:04 <nebadon> would hit some memory overflow
2018-03-22 18:04 <Tampa> 30% is max, FS cannot use more than that
2018-03-22 18:04 <Ubit> ODE bullet physx all have boxes and spheres as primitives
2018-03-22 18:04 <Ubit> a lot faster then a single tri even
2018-03-22 18:04 <nebadon> yea
2018-03-22 18:04 <nebadon> primitives can repeat easily
2018-03-22 18:04 <nebadon> so not only faster but can have 100s at low impact
2018-03-22 18:05 <Ubit> colisions are just math on those
2018-03-22 18:05 <Ubit> spheres specially 
2018-03-22 18:05 <Ubit> is just a distance check basicly
2018-03-22 18:05 <Tampa> Though for large things over 30 meters you kinda need mesh, prims tend to have their faces bugged at such large scale
2018-03-22 18:05 <Ubit> oops ppl waiting RL
2018-03-22 18:05 <Ubit> no
2018-03-22 18:05 <Ubit> but need to run
2018-03-22 18:06 <nebadon> also very large prims with hollow and cuts tend to fail
2018-03-22 18:06 <Ubit> but not pure boxes or spheres
2018-03-22 18:06 <nebadon> they used to anyway with Bullet and original ODE
2018-03-22 18:06 <Ubit> anything else is a mesh.. diferent story
2018-03-22 18:07 <Ubit> but if a box or a sphere is what you need USE a box or a sphre prim :P
2018-03-22 18:07 <Ubit> ( true sphere x=y=z )
2018-03-22 18:07 <nebadon> yea thats what i do for vehicles
2018-03-22 18:07 <Tampa> a <80,1,1> prim will have its 1x1 face at either end go transparent from time to time, cylinders will render with less detail and turn from 16 sides down to just 8
2018-03-22 18:07 <nebadon> make all the mesh "none" and use sphere tires and box body
2018-03-22 18:07 <Ubit> bbl
2018-03-22 18:07 <nebadon> way more efficient
2018-03-22 18:08 <nebadon> later Ubit :)
2018-03-22 18:08 <Tampa> Well I'm still uploading this damn 3d printer thing, didn't feel like fixing all the bugs with it, removed some 3d lettering and ran it through cleanup2
2018-03-22 18:09 <Tampa> Still almost 200k tris just ouchy
2018-03-22 18:09 <Tampa> Even for Sketchup people should not make models in a manner that results in such numbers however well Sketchup may render it
2018-03-22 18:15 <nebadon> yea well sketchup is generally a cad app
2018-03-22 18:15 <nebadon> it has no concept of triangles
2018-03-22 18:16 <nebadon> its not until you export that it is triangulated
2018-03-22 18:16 <nebadon> and Sketchup has quite possibly one of the worst Collada exporters on earth
2018-03-22 18:16 <nebadon> I generally export to .3ds
2018-03-22 18:16 <nebadon> bring it into Blender and clean it up
2018-03-22 18:16 <nebadon> you need Sketchup Pro to do that though
2018-03-22 18:16 <Tampa> Yup, somewhat inclined to see if there is another exporter plugin for it
2018-03-22 18:16 <nebadon> yea I bought it
2018-03-22 18:16 <nebadon> its not cheap though
2018-03-22 18:17 <nebadon> and there are not really any good exporters that work well
2018-03-22 18:17 <nebadon> that are free anyway
2018-03-22 18:17 <Tampa> <100?
2018-03-22 18:17 <nebadon> I havent looked in a few years though
2018-03-22 18:17 <nebadon> I bought it like 2-3 years ago
2018-03-22 18:17 <nebadon> and really havent had a need to look since then
2018-03-22 18:18 <nebadon> possible something better has come along
2018-03-22 18:18 <nebadon> most of the exporters I recall were around 100$
2018-03-22 18:18 <nebadon> i forget the one 
2018-03-22 18:18 <Tampa> Probably one on sketchucation that works better
2018-03-22 18:18 <nebadon> i recall there being one that was there but it wasnt as good as the built in .3ds exporter
2018-03-22 18:18 <nebadon> it was also quite  old
2018-03-22 18:18 <nebadon> it may have stopped working on newer versions of sketchup
2018-03-22 18:19 <nebadon> thats the downside of being reliant on external plugins
2018-03-22 18:19 <Tampa> Yeah and Trimble just breaking more as they fix likely not going to get fixed at any time
2018-03-22 18:19 <nebadon> yea realistically we need FBX support
2018-03-22 18:19 <nebadon> .3ds is like 1990s old
2018-03-22 18:20 <nebadon> and collada just sucks no one really fully supports collada
2018-03-22 18:20 <Tampa> How open is fbx?
2018-03-22 18:20 <nebadon> FBX is industry standard
2018-03-22 18:20 <nebadon> well its Autodesk format
2018-03-22 18:20 <nebadon> but there is a free SDK
2018-03-22 18:20 <nebadon> and most things have very common support
2018-03-22 18:20 <nebadon> becasue Autodesk is very strict
2018-03-22 18:20 <nebadon> which is really what is needed 
2018-03-22 18:20 <nebadon> the rogue nature of collada support makes it a very poor choice
2018-03-22 18:21 <nebadon> no one controls it
2018-03-22 18:21 <nebadon> its like do whatever the hell you want we dont care
2018-03-22 18:21 <Tampa> collada is like, well xml, fbx more like python syntax heh
2018-03-22 18:22 <nebadon> i mean I understand why LL chose collada 7-8 whatever many years ago it was now
2018-03-22 18:22 <nebadon> but they should have moved on by now
2018-03-22 18:22 <nebadon> added support for FBX
2018-03-22 18:22 <nebadon> there really is no excuse
2018-03-22 18:22 <Tampa> Probably ran out of money again or something lol
2018-03-22 18:22 <nebadon> there would literally be no cost
2018-03-22 18:22 <nebadon> other than developers they are already paying anyway
2018-03-22 18:23 <nebadon> and honestly LL is not short on cash
2018-03-22 18:23 <nebadon> they have enough money to make Sansar that no one uses
2018-03-22 18:24 <nebadon> and they are still implementing new things in SL
2018-03-22 18:24 <Tampa> hehe
2018-03-22 18:29 <Tampa> God this thing is a nightmare
2018-03-22 18:30 <nebadon> lol
2018-03-22 18:30 <Tampa> I'm not even sure if I should really make poor ole OpenSim upload this onto itself, feels like torture
2018-03-22 18:34 <Tampa> Ah saved 80k by telling blender not to triangulate again
2018-03-22 18:35 <nebadon> it will still be triangulated by the viewer
2018-03-22 18:35 <nebadon> openGL is incapable of doing anything but Triangles
2018-03-22 18:35 <Tampa> Uh and now it failed to upload wtf
2018-03-22 19:29 <Tampa> *cue elevator music*
2018-03-22 19:30 <Tampa> Hurray
2018-03-22 19:30 <Plugh> what?
2018-03-22 19:30 <Tampa> oh ffs scaling blender wtf
2018-03-22 19:30 <Tampa> anyway its uploaded
2018-03-22 19:31 <Tampa> -.- why does this thing have so many backfaces god damnit, whatever
2018-03-22 19:32 <Tampa> Unless you want me to fix those its now uploaded basically as it were from the skp file
2018-03-22 19:35 <Tampa> Process was: 1. Take Skp and remove as much 3d text as possible either joining textures or simply flattening geometry. 2. Run Cleanup2 to clean up stray edges and other crap. 3. Export as 3ds with options for Single Object. 4. Load in Blender to export to collada. 5. Repeat for physics block. 6.
2018-03-22 19:35 <Tampa> Upload Mesh with physics block selected as from file providing the previously exported physics model. 7. Wait for upload to finish and scale to size.
2018-03-22 19:37 <Tampa> Evidently the physics model just didn't upload at all, but the convex hull is good enough I suppose, you can pick it up in my sandbox if you like
2018-03-22 19:40 <Plugh> Tampa, that won't help me. I need it in a grid that is not HG enabled.
2018-03-22 19:40 <Plugh> well, want it, not need it.
2018-03-22 19:41 <Tampa> What backwards ass grid are you in, whatever, I'll upload the collada for you hold on
2018-03-22 19:41 <Plugh> Since I can't upload it I'll make an IAR of it and then try importing it that way.
2018-03-22 19:42 <Plugh> Tampa, you expect every grid that is run with OpenSim to be HG enabled?
2018-03-22 19:43 <Tampa> Idk kinda, first thing people ask me for help for
2018-03-22 19:43 <Tampa> https://transfer.sh/WchWn/Makerbot_Replicator1.dae
2018-03-22 19:43 <Plugh> How is that any different than the file I already have?
2018-03-22 19:44 <Tampa> Its only 102k tris, it has a few fixes in there I did to the mesh itself and it just uploaded for me on 0.9 in less than 20 minutes
2018-03-22 19:44 <Tampa> More like 5 minutes or so
2018-03-22 19:45 <djphil> makerbot1.dae = 10.647Ko and Makerbot_Replicator1.dae = 16.368Ko
2018-03-22 19:45 <Plugh> That file is bigger than the one I've been trying to upload.
2018-03-22 19:45 <Plugh> and more triangles.
2018-03-22 19:46 <Plugh> Tampa: Thanks. I'll have a go at it later. I don't feel like wasting any more time on it today.
2018-03-22 19:47 <djphil> and no 3d text ...
2018-03-22 19:47 <Plugh> oh. :(
2018-03-22 19:48 <Plugh> What I'd really like is a delta style printer. I may work on a 3D model for one of those some day.
2018-03-22 19:48 <djphil> Yes, he has deleted several
2018-03-22 19:48 <Tampa> https://i.imgur.com/wth8QCd.png
2018-03-22 19:48 <Plugh> I still have to finish off the model for my guitar. It needs the strings added.
2018-03-22 19:50 <djphil> It's not normal to have a larger file without having all 3d text. Otherwise I prefer to keep all the 3d text and a smaller file lol
2018-03-22 19:51 <Tampa> 3d text is cancer especially if all you want to represent is text on an LCD screen
2018-03-22 19:52 <djphil> I'm talking about the 3d text of your Makerbot_Replicator1.dae file
2018-03-22 19:53 <Tampa> Yeah I didn't remove all of it, cause I don't really have the time to
2018-03-22 19:53 <Tampa> 3d work takes time, time I should be spending doing things I have on my pages long todo list lol
2018-03-22 19:53 <Plugh> Grr... this darn cat is meowing at me again. 
2018-03-22 19:54 <djphil> Do not delete ps otherwise your file will get bigger :p
2018-03-22 19:54 <Tampa> Size isn't everything don't you know that
2018-03-22 19:55 <Plugh> I'm not getting anything accomplished today. I'm going to go for a walk before dinner. That is, after I see to this cat. :P
2018-03-22 20:24 <Ubit> FBX is now really free? it used to be closed
2018-03-22 20:25 <Ubit> but i do see games using it and unity.. sansar etc..
2018-03-22 20:25 <Tampa> http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/item?siteID=123112&id=10775847
2018-03-22 20:25 <Ubit> but that is just a format... viewers are still the issue
2018-03-22 20:25 <Ubit> bc we never see "true" meshs on opensim
2018-03-22 20:26 <Ubit> we do see processed meshs in ll format
2018-03-22 20:26 <Tampa> Well someone will need to actually do some coding on the viewer to get that in there and that is as likely as hell freezing over any time soon
2018-03-22 20:26 <Ubit> yes and same issues 
2018-03-22 20:27 <Ubit> bc its the same code doing LODs etc etc
2018-03-22 20:27 <Ubit> format will only make it easier to move from creation tools
2018-03-22 20:27 <Ubit> bc collada seems to have been a fail as standard
2018-03-22 20:28 <Tampa> Well I tend to advice people to use High,High,Med,None for LODs because of how OpenSim tends to be scaled with vars, so in reality we only really need two LOD levels
2018-03-22 20:28 <Ubit> no no no
2018-03-22 20:28 <Tampa> Though best result still is making your own and using from file
2018-03-22 20:28 <Ubit> vars have no relation with that
2018-03-22 20:28 <Tampa> never said that
2018-03-22 20:29 <Ubit> lowest is already used on normal regions
2018-03-22 20:30 <Ubit> automatic lods are hard to do..  and do fail guessing what is the best shape
2018-03-22 20:30 <Ubit> our brain is a lot better seeing what should be done
2018-03-22 20:31 <Ubit> well doing it on blender is a dif story .. a fail for me lol
2018-03-22 20:31 <Ubit> hmm and guess those should relate also with materials lods
2018-03-22 20:32 <Ubit> and those are fully auto on viewers uff
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2018-03-23 06:43 <djphil> What does "AvatarType" field mean in the "avatars" table?
2018-03-23 06:43 <djphil> Does this mean 0 = male and 1 = female ?
2018-03-23 08:59 <osmantis> Bug #8306:04 mesh object do not work with current bullet-sim physics.. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8306 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-23 09:02 <osmantis> Bug #8306:04 mesh object do not work with current bullet-sim physics.. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8306 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-23 13:54 <osmantis> Bug #8306:04 mesh object do not work with current bullet-sim physics.. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8306 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-23 14:12 <Plugh> djphil: Don't forget there is also a value 2
2018-03-23 14:12 <djphil> not for attachments
2018-03-23 14:13 <djphil> for Wearable yes, have 2
2018-03-23 14:13 <Plugh> djphil: You asked earlier about AvatarType (male/female)
2018-03-23 14:13 <djphil> ha for that
2018-03-23 14:13 <Plugh> There are three genders.
2018-03-23 14:13 <djphil> true
2018-03-23 14:14 <djphil> but i see no change on AvatarType when i change the shape ...
2018-03-23 14:14 <Plugh> If you are going to dig in to the details of the database tables you will be in a good position to enhance the wiki pages that describe them. :)
2018-03-23 14:15 <Tampa> Just make sure to step back once in a while and drink a glass of vodka so you don't lose your sanity :)
2018-03-23 14:15 <Bill_Blight> Changing the shape does not update the type, pretty sure only the male/female buttons change that field ..
2018-03-23 14:15 <Plugh> hehe
2018-03-23 14:15 <djphil> @plugh Yes I try to do this a little too but with caution, I do not want to put information on the wiki
2018-03-23 14:16 <djphil> @Bill, "pretty sure" isn't 100% sure
2018-03-23 14:18 <Bill_Blight> exactly why I did not say I was SURE @djphil
2018-03-23 14:18 <djphil> i have 1 avi male and 1 avi female on my avatars table and both have AvatarType 1
2018-03-23 14:19 <djphil> so either I have an error in my database, or AvatarType does not indicate avi genders
2018-03-23 14:21 <Bill_Blight> Yep you are right @djphil, don't think that is what it stands for ... just looked through my DB and don't have anything but 1's  .. and since 90% of my grid is female avatars(pitty me) I'd say that is not it.
2018-03-23 14:22 <Plugh> hm... the wiki page is out of date. It doesn't mention the AgentPrefs table.
2018-03-23 14:23 <djphil> The field "Serial" too is a mystery
2018-03-23 14:23 <djphil> True Plugh, out of date and a lot of information missing
2018-03-23 14:24 <djphil> and 0 infos about Serial or AvatarType
2018-03-23 14:24 <Plugh> Not quite as much missing as there had been. I did some updates a while back. Still more can be added.
2018-03-23 14:25 <djphil> and about"_ap_x" same, only some info here http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Appearance_Formats
2018-03-23 14:25 <Plugh> I should go have breakfast before I start getting involved with this. :) bbl.
2018-03-23 14:26 <djphil> I want to start some changes in the wiki
2018-03-23 14:26 <djphil> I already added the new table names for OS 0.9.x
2018-03-23 14:26 <djphil> but I did not do more than that
2018-03-23 14:29 <djphil> For example, for the avatars table (which avatars was Avatars) The wiki forces the capital "A" always ... In this case, if we modify the Avatars page, it will modify the 0.8.x version without any difference with version 0.9.x
2018-03-23 14:29 <djphil> So I wonder where to put the old information of the table avatars in order to use the page "Avatars" for the new doc 0.9.x
2018-03-23 14:30 <Bill_Blight> my table is Avatars not avatars
2018-03-23 14:30 <Bill_Blight> on linux mysql table names are case sensitive so this could cause issues if users get them confused
2018-03-23 14:30 <djphil> on my 0.9.0.1 Dev i see "avatars", not "Avatars"
2018-03-23 14:30 <Bill_Blight> did you upgrade it
2018-03-23 14:31 <Bill_Blight> or start fresh
2018-03-23 14:31 <djphil> ok, i will try
2018-03-23 14:31 <Bill_Blight> CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS `Avatars` (
2018-03-23 14:31 <Bill_Blight> right from the migration data in .9x
2018-03-23 14:32 <djphil> Well ... the migration script don't have renamed my table then :s
2018-03-23 14:32 <Bill_Blight> no they don't rename
2018-03-23 14:32 <Priestov> Yes, I also had problems with migration from Windows to Linux. It was connected with the register.
2018-03-23 14:33 <djphil> why they don't rename . if the name is wrong ...
2018-03-23 14:33 <djphil> it rename only for Linux ?
2018-03-23 14:33 <Bill_Blight> Ask the mysql devs
2018-03-23 14:34 <Bill_Blight> names are case sensitive for lookups but not for "if exists"
2018-03-23 14:34 <Bill_Blight> at least that is what it seems to me
2018-03-23 14:34 <Priestov> avatars and Avatars - two different tables
2018-03-23 14:34 <djphil> well then the migration don't do the job!
2018-03-23 14:35 <Bill_Blight> if you have avatars and Avatars, something went sideways
2018-03-23 14:35 <djphil> no i have only one "avatars"
2018-03-23 14:36 <Bill_Blight> Avatas, AgentPrefs, GridUser, Friends, and UserAccounts, and now Mutelist were all lower case before .9x
2018-03-23 14:36 <Priestov> for 0.9.x "Avatars" for linux
2018-03-23 14:36 <djphil> not same here
2018-03-23 14:37 <Bill_Blight> yes it is Avatars, and linux knows the difference, between avatars and Avatars, don't think windows does
2018-03-23 14:37 <djphil> any table name begin with maj
2018-03-23 14:38 <djphil> maybee windows issue ?
2018-03-23 14:38 <Bill_Blight> well windows is an issue .. 
2018-03-23 14:38 <Bill_Blight> Yes djphil as I said , windows does not see the difference between Avatars and avatars
2018-03-23 14:39 <djphil> ok ... yhen why not "Avatars"
2018-03-23 14:39 <djphil> then*
2018-03-23 14:39 <Bill_Blight> windows has never done case sensitivity correctly
2018-03-23 14:39 <Bill_Blight> is this a UPGRADE from .8x database
2018-03-23 14:40 <Bill_Blight> if it is an upgrade on windows it did not create Avatars, because windows is stupid and sees avatars as the same thing.
2018-03-23 14:40 <Bill_Blight> so it assumed it was already there
2018-03-23 14:40 <djphil> I do not know anymore, i'm "pretty sure" is one 0.9.x Dev from scratch at origin
2018-03-23 14:41 <Bill_Blight> This is just the hazzards of running an oprerating system that does what it wants to do , and not what you tell it to do ..
2018-03-23 14:42 <djphil> In any case, opensim could force "Avatars"
2018-03-23 14:42 <Bill_Blight> No they couldnt, not if avatars already existed on a windows machine
2018-03-23 14:42 <Bill_Blight> and on new databases it does get set to Avatars
2018-03-23 14:43 <djphil> but you can rename a table without emptying the content
2018-03-23 14:43 <Bill_Blight> Windows mysql does not know the difference between Avatars and avatars, so the migration skips updating the table because it thinks it is already there
2018-03-23 14:43 <Bill_Blight> How is it going to rename it if it does not know the difference
2018-03-23 14:44 <djphil> ok, i'll try to rename an existing table with A instead of a with a php / mysql script ... i'm pretty sure it'll work
2018-03-23 14:44 <Bill_Blight> with PHP yep
2018-03-23 14:45 <djphil> why not with opensim ?
2018-03-23 14:45 <Bill_Blight> but we are not talking about PHP we are talkign about MYSQL
2018-03-23 14:45 <Bill_Blight> and we are talking about windows C 
2018-03-23 14:45 <djphil> php use mysql to proced the request to the database
2018-03-23 14:46 <Bill_Blight> just like on the command line the Windows directory can also be reached at windows it does not care about case sensitivity
2018-03-23 14:46 <djphil> ok i will try by command line too :)
2018-03-23 14:46 <Bill_Blight> ok have fun
2018-03-23 14:46 <djphil> lol ty!
2018-03-23 14:46 <Bill_Blight> but use the if not exist mysql syntax
2018-03-23 14:47 <Bill_Blight> because that is my opensim users, in the migration tables, to keep from overwriting existing data
2018-03-23 14:47 <Bill_Blight> *mysql in opensim
2018-03-23 14:48 <Bill_Blight> once the table is made I don't think the .net code really cares, itself, because well , microsoft
2018-03-23 14:49 <djphil> I will try all that will be necessary for it to work ... and if it works, then it should also for opensim in the future ... otherwise we have different table names for Linux and Windows which leads to confusion and who deserves to be mentioned on the wiki
2018-03-23 14:49 <Bill_Blight> which does not really confuse many people who actually know what they are doing, and if they don't they most likely should not be running opensimulator anyway
2018-03-23 14:49 <Priestov> im just rename all tables)) 5 min)))
2018-03-23 14:50 <Priestov> and all work)
2018-03-23 14:50 <Bill_Blight> and you went backwords right? all lower case?
2018-03-23 14:51 <Priestov> im do  it is for linux
2018-03-23 14:51 <Bill_Blight> THIS is why opensim will never be more than it is, people stuck in the past, and refusing to move forward even on simple thing
2018-03-23 14:51 <djphil> @Bill : Once again you blame the people who do not know ... but to learn the smallest information silk on the wiki
2018-03-23 14:51 <Bill_Blight> yep
2018-03-23 14:51 <Bill_Blight> not going to stop that either
2018-03-23 14:52 <Bill_Blight> call me an asshole if you want, but I serioulsy think that people should learn rather than be spoon fed
2018-03-23 14:54 <Tampa> Well some of the stuff OpenSim works with are not something strictly to do with it, database administration, webserver, etc are things that should be familiar before attempting to work with software that relies on such dependencies to work.
2018-03-23 14:54 <Bill_Blight> exactly
2018-03-23 14:55 <Priestov> I also have a question. Can I ask him?
2018-03-23 14:55 <Bill_Blight> You can't complain that opensimulator is doing something WRONG with mysql , if you don't know how mysql works
2018-03-23 14:56 <Tampa> Plenty of tutorials and information available at the wikis and websites of dependencies like mysql that teach you what you need to know to solve almost any issue OpenSim may produce within your database
2018-03-23 14:59 <Priestov> i have build it is Ubit from 20.03.18. The grid configuration is as follows: 1 robust + database on server №1. The second server №2 is a regional server. 1sim = 1region (only 6 Sims). Users complain very much about teleports on the grid. You can teleport with 20 or 30 attempts. Ports in opensim.ini and robust.ini are the same. For example: if the 9010 port is used for the SIM, then I also specify 9010 in the region.
2018-03-23 14:59 <Priestov> What could be the problem?
2018-03-23 15:00 <Tampa> One database per simulator or all on that database server?
2018-03-23 15:00 <djphil> @Bill_Blight & Tampa : To read, opensim is perfect and I'm a guy who knows nothing
2018-03-23 15:00 <Bill_Blight> are you using names or IP's in the region ini files?  Also if the server has multiple IP's try binding the internal on the region ini to the external address ...  
2018-03-23 15:01 <Priestov> all sims working in sqllite. Only main use Mysql
2018-03-23 15:01 <Tampa> Check var/log/ for the access logs and error logs, should tell you if its the server itself refusing connections
2018-03-23 15:02 <Tampa> See if ufw or fail2ban is installed for some reason and remove that if you don't want to configure it
2018-03-23 15:02 <Tampa> When these attempts fail, does the other region see them? Is there an error?
2018-03-23 15:03 <Priestov> <Bill_Blight>: im use ip adress
2018-03-23 15:04 <Priestov> Tampa: yes, i have fail2ban
2018-03-23 15:05 <Bill_Blight> hate to say this, but try turning off your FW all together , if TP's work ok then you have a FW config problem
2018-03-23 15:05 <Priestov> thanks
2018-03-23 15:06 <Tampa> Not saying he should keep it off, but trying to find the source of the issue and then solving that by properly configuring
2018-03-23 15:06 <Bill_Blight> djphil, nobody is saying you don't know anything, but I will say you seem to want to do it YOUR way rather than the way it is actually works
2018-03-23 15:06 <Tampa> Check fail2bans logs for entries regarding opensim
2018-03-23 15:08 <osmantis> Bug #8306:04 mesh object do not work with current bullet-sim physics.. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8306 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-23 15:08 <Tampa> djphil some things cannot work in certain ways because its physically impossible for bits to be the way they would need to be. Windows or rather ntfs just doesn't do filenames and foldernames the way linux, ext, does. Those are fundamental differences you cannot really build compatibility layers
2018-03-23 15:08 <Tampa> for, it also does not make much sense to do so when the required changes are fairly easy to execute and well documented.
2018-03-23 15:08 <osmantis> Bug #8306:04 mesh object do not work with current bullet-sim physics.. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8306 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-23 15:09 <Tampa> Guys, mesh has feelings too, those bits and bytes can hurt lol
2018-03-23 15:10 <Bill_Blight> yeah well , it still sucks ... :P
2018-03-23 15:10 <Tampa> Not the prims fault it gets rendered like that
2018-03-23 15:10 <Tampa> The Prim did nothing wrong
2018-03-23 15:11 <Bill_Blight> How do you know, it might have a shady past
2018-03-23 15:11 <Bill_Blight> Maybe it has a juvi record
2018-03-23 15:12 <djphil> @Bill/Tampa : Thank you for the food
2018-03-23 15:13 <Plugh> Priestov: If your issue isn't your firewall then please clarify what you meant by how you have 9010 in a couple of places. How exactly have you specified ports for use in Robust and your sims? Show us the setting name and the port number will help us understand. 
2018-03-23 15:13 <Bill_Blight> we understand
2018-03-23 15:13 <Bill_Blight> on his region he has the main http port to 9010 and the port of the region in the region ini to 9010
2018-03-23 15:14 <Plugh> You understand "9010 port is used for the SIM, then I also specify 9010 in the region."? A sim is a region.
2018-03-23 15:14 <Bill_Blight> yep understood that
2018-03-23 15:15 <Bill_Blight> he is calling the instance the SIM and the region config the region
2018-03-23 15:15 <Priestov> 1sim=1region - its my configurations
2018-03-23 15:17 <Priestov> and yes, if i have port 9010 for my sim1 in opensim.ini and Regions.ini to 9010
2018-03-23 15:17 <Bill_Blight> just for clairity @priestov call it an instance not a sim, that will confuse some people because sims are usually regions ..
2018-03-23 15:17 <Priestov> .... sim2 have 9011
2018-03-23 15:17 <Priestov> etc
2018-03-23 15:18 <Plugh> If you have the http_listener_port in OpenSim.ini using the same number as the port numbers specified in the ini files under Regions that would be the problem.
2018-03-23 15:18 <Tampa> You say it takes many attempts to teleport, but eventually teleports do work?
2018-03-23 15:18 <Bill_Blight> acctually no Plugh that is standard practice for single region instances
2018-03-23 15:18 <Bill_Blight> I better tell my whole grid to stop working then
2018-03-23 15:19 <Plugh> I always keep them using separate sequence of numbers.
2018-03-23 15:19 <Bill_Blight> waste of port numbers
2018-03-23 15:19 <Plugh> I've got plenty. :)
2018-03-23 15:19 <Plugh> If it isn't port numbers there is some other configuration problem.
2018-03-23 15:20 <Bill_Blight> just adds more ports that you have to keep open in your firewall, when it is not needed
2018-03-23 15:20 <Tampa> If teleports just fail outright without EVER working, its a config issue on OpenSim/network end, if teleports just take many attempts, but do work, either fail2ban screwing up or something between the two regions is not communication all the time.
2018-03-23 15:20 <Plugh> There are 64512 port numbers available. :)
2018-03-23 15:20 <Priestov> emm.... if i have port 9010 in http_listener_port in OpenSim.ini, it in Regions.ini im must use 9011?
2018-03-23 15:20 <Plugh> Priestov: What errors do you get in the log files?
2018-03-23 15:21 <Tampa> Go to a region, attempt a teleport, look at both regions consoles and fetch the information you see, that may give us a clue as to why it is failing
2018-03-23 15:21 <Tampa> Like I said, also check the access logs and error logs of the server itself
2018-03-23 15:21 <Tampa> If it's on the same server it may even be a loopback issue
2018-03-23 15:21 <Plugh> Priestov: That's how I have things set up but Bill_Blight is saying you don't have to do that.
2018-03-23 15:21 <Bill_Blight> No Priestov , you don't have to use a different port number for the first and only region in the instance
2018-03-23 15:22 <Priestov> ok.first im close fail2ban
2018-03-23 15:23 <Tampa> Fetch some log data from the region console and maybe server logs, just from what you are saying it's difficult to debug
2018-03-23 15:23 <Bill_Blight> Betting he is just getting the "Failed to update user presence" error
2018-03-23 15:23 <Bill_Blight> or whatever that error reads
2018-03-23 15:24 <Bill_Blight> on the destination region
2018-03-23 15:24 <Plugh> Update or verify? Sounds like an error related to DNS issues.
2018-03-23 15:24 <Priestov> im understand. Maybe its my fail2ban
2018-03-23 15:24 <Bill_Blight> update
2018-03-23 15:25 <Plugh> Priestov: fail2ban just adds IP addresses to the firewall automatically if it detects suspicious activity. You want to turn off the firewall completely (temporarily) to see if it is causing a problem.
2018-03-23 15:25 <Ubit> main http port can be the same as one region udp port. Http and udp work fine with a single port
2018-03-23 15:26 <Ubit> plz stop telling nonsense, specially  on things everyone knows ( or should ) for AGEs
2018-03-23 15:30 <Priestov> i have its errors now:
2018-03-23 15:30 <Priestov> 16:50:38 - [WATCHDOG]: Timeout detected for thread "Heartbeat-(Diamond)". ThreadState=WaitSleepJoin. Last tick was 5318ms ago.
2018-03-23 15:30 <Priestov> 16:55:39 - [WATCHDOG]: Timeout detected for thread "Heartbeat-(Diamond)". ThreadState=WaitSleepJoin. Last tick was 6761ms ago.
2018-03-23 15:30 <Bill_Blight> ahh the WATCHDOG, hate that guy
2018-03-23 15:30 <Plugh> :)
2018-03-23 15:30 <Bill_Blight> ignore it
2018-03-23 15:38 <Priestov> http://pasted.co/105d3d47
2018-03-23 15:38 <Priestov> fragment logs
2018-03-23 15:39 <Priestov> ip addres in file for example
2018-03-23 15:41 <Bill_Blight> That is definately a network issue , from what I see there, could be physical network or misconfiguration but it is a network issue
2018-03-23 16:46 <Ubit> well going to restart and let box do a full power down
2018-03-23 16:46 <Ubit> my box, i mean
2018-03-23 19:14 <djphil> I see that the "active" field of the useraccount table exists since opensim v0.8.x
2018-03-23 19:14 <djphil> This field seems to have no effect on the viewer login
2018-03-23 19:14 <djphil> Is this normal or it still needs to be implemented by viewer dev's?
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2018-03-24 16:13 <Plugh> jakdaniels: ping
2018-03-24 16:33 <Plugh> Good afternoon, nebadon
2018-03-24 16:33 <Priestov> hello
2018-03-24 16:33 <Plugh> Hi, Priestov
2018-03-24 16:41 <nebadon> hello :)
2018-03-24 16:42 <Plugh> Just been doing a bit more with the birds module. I don't know if it was a mono issue or not but it isn't complaining any more when I shut down a region that is using the birds module.
2018-03-24 16:43 <Plugh> It used to throw red text on region shutdown.
2018-03-24 16:44 <Plugh> Its getting late. Time to go for lunch. bbl.
2018-03-24 16:50 <SignpostMarv> 
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2018-03-24 18:40 <Plugh> I'm back for a short while.
2018-03-24 18:45 <poomuckl> hi, i tried bullet physics on my arm7 board and it is absolutely unacceptable slow. i go back to ode. this performs pretty well under the given conditions.
2018-03-24 18:45 <poomuckl> maybe someone can tell me how i can get it perform better
2018-03-24 18:48 <Plugh> poomuckl: nebadon would be someone you could talk to about it. I know he has run OpenSim on a Raspberry Pi. I don't know which phsyics engine he used.
2018-03-24 18:48 <Plugh> What arm based device are you using?
2018-03-24 18:50 <poomuckl> tinkerboard
2018-03-24 18:51 <poomuckl> i run 9 1024x1024 regions. 8 are mostly empty, the center has about 8000+ objects and 200+ scripts
2018-03-24 18:52 <poomuckl> with acceptable performance
2018-03-24 18:52 <poomuckl> acceptable only with ode, of cause.
2018-03-24 18:52 <poomuckl> and i use physics as well.
2018-03-24 18:53 <Tampa> Running and running well are two different things, while OpenSim does work on arm, anything but the top-of-the-line chips really can't run it well especially once you start building and creating scripts. Get yourself a used hp compaq or something like that with a decent dual core and 4gb of ram,
2018-03-24 18:53 <Tampa> much better and easier than trying to squeeze it onto arm. Just my opinion.
2018-03-24 18:54 <poomuckl> Tampa: believe me, it runs very smooth for such a cheap hardware. and i use sqlite on top
2018-03-24 18:55 <Plugh> Hm... The equivalent of 36 regions on one device. 
2018-03-24 18:55 <poomuckl> and it uses 2.5W max! can you top that?
2018-03-24 18:55 <Plugh> 
ACTION looks up the specs for the Tinkerboard

2018-03-24 18:55 <Tampa> poomuckl, actually yes, with an odroid I have sitting next to me
2018-03-24 18:56 <Plugh> Only 2GB RAM.
2018-03-24 18:56 <poomuckl> i have a very good response to my fluidsynth via a cs script
2018-03-24 18:57 <poomuckl> Plugh: it's bit, opensim consumes about 600M
2018-03-24 18:57 <Plugh> How much memory do you have left on the Tinkerboard after loading up all those regions?
2018-03-24 18:57 <poomuckl> oh, and i could stop X
2018-03-24 18:57 <poomuckl> 600MB
2018-03-24 18:58 <Plugh> For 9 4x4's? Seems a lot less than I would have expected. Are you running all 9 regions from one instance?
2018-03-24 18:59 <Plugh> If you don't need X on the board while you are running OpenSim instances it wouldn't hurt to shut it down.
2018-03-24 18:59 <poomuckl> yes, standalone HG
2018-03-24 18:59 <Tampa> HP Compaq Pro 6300 | 3.10GHz G870 Pentium | 4GB DDR3, 33$ + shipping
2018-03-24 19:00 <Tampa> That'll run much better
2018-03-24 19:02 <poomuckl> 240W vs 2.5W
2018-03-24 19:03 <Tampa> That's peak tdp
2018-03-24 19:05 <BillBlight> Power is the price of performance though ...  You can't make 2.5w do what 250w will do ..
2018-03-24 19:05 <Tampa> If electricity is a concern for some reason then there is also this: http://www.pcengines.ch/apu3c4.htm, but at 132$ you can get multiple odroids to run this stuff, especially the new one coming out with similar specs
2018-03-24 19:05 <poomuckl> the wireless connection of the hp uses more power than the tinkerboard or raspberry
2018-03-24 19:06 <Tampa> No static device should ever use wireless, that's for mobile devices and laptops
2018-03-24 19:07 <poomuckl> Tampa: you know my application?
2018-03-24 19:07 <Tampa> I know OpenSim enough to know what it can and cannot be reliably run on, because after years of playing with it and various hardware configurations I can tell you first hand what will work and what won't
2018-03-24 19:08 <Tampa> arm is not some magic that suddenly runs everything we used to use x86 for just as well, otherwise you would see it in far more places
2018-03-24 19:09 <Tampa> arm was designed for mobile devices and optimized for the workloads those devices encounter most of the time, throwing something at it that barely runs well on x86 as it is, well...
2018-03-24 19:10 <poomuckl> oh, i use opensim for about 11 years now
2018-03-24 19:11 <Tampa> Then you should be competent enough to know that if one physics engine works and another doesn't there is likely not much anyone can do to fix things, especially on an architecture that is so infrequently used and known for not having particularly great software support even after all those years of
2018-03-24 19:11 <Tampa> raspberry pi being around.
2018-03-24 19:12 <poomuckl> and you can believe me, when i say it's acceptable and smooth (even with vivox) than i don't tell you some shite
2018-03-24 19:12 <Tampa> arm isn't a higher-power server chip, it was never designed or meant to be that way and OpenSim does inevitably require hardware to run better, that's the cold fact
2018-03-24 19:13 <poomuckl> thats just bla. you haven't experienced it.
2018-03-24 19:13 <Tampa> What you are likely running into is that static nature of the BulletSim routines, it requires each cycle to be finished before a next one can start, ubode and ode do not require this hence they can run asap
2018-03-24 19:14 <poomuckl> Tampa: yes, it seems like it.
2018-03-24 19:14 <poomuckl> i walk some meters and then wait
2018-03-24 19:15 <Plugh> What is the CPU load on the Tinkerboard with it running all those regions at the same time and how much free RAM remains?
2018-03-24 19:18 <poomuckl> Plugh: http://pasteall.org/892195
2018-03-24 19:20 <Plugh> Rather surprising it is doing that well.
2018-03-24 19:24 <poomuckl> plugh: http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=b360d99c5b93e2ab0231be2c08c79cc6
2018-03-24 19:26 <Plugh> Priestov: ping
2018-03-24 19:26 <Priestov> yes_))
2018-03-24 19:29 <Plugh> Priestov: If you want me to look at something I have a few minutes, but not a lot. I've got some other things I wanted to work on today.
2018-03-24 19:32 <Plugh> poomuckl: Interesting city scene you have there.
2018-03-24 19:35 <poomuckl> plugh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb5ivvcTvRQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBIdk-fgCeQ
2018-03-24 19:39 <poomuckl> these videos might change your life.
2018-03-24 19:40 <poomuckl> (don't changed mine, was in sync before..)
2018-03-24 19:55 <Plugh> I'm not sure it would interest me enough for me to watch the whole thing.
2018-03-24 20:02 <poomuckl> you need some arguments or not interested
2018-03-24 20:08 <Plugh> Not interested based on the bit I saw at the start.
2018-03-24 20:09 <Plugh> bbl. My cat wants attention.
2018-03-24 20:09 <Priestov> ))
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2018-03-25 08:11 <djphil> Hi folk!
2018-03-25 08:11 <djphil> Do you know why is the "active" field in the UserAccount table used? Is it already used for something or is it not currently used? Why is it useful?
2018-03-25 10:36 <Priestov> hi all
2018-03-25 11:00 <H-H-H> Hi Preston
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2018-03-25 14:51 <SignpostMarv> 
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2018-03-25 14:52 <SignpostMarv> was curious, what's best to tinker with when checking test coverage in opensim/libomv ? quick google indicated test coverage was only available in the enterprise edition of VS2017, not the community edition
2018-03-25 16:40 <CrasherRob> Fun puzzle of the day: Take the alphabet, assign 1-9 to the first nine letters, 10-90 to the next nine, 100-800 to the remaining eight. Decode 6, 60, 600 and an old puzzle's answer will be revealed.
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2018-03-26 12:37 <Tampa> Seems like mono 5.10 gc is not as aggressive as it used to? Some of the connected simulators seem to be leaking memory now.
2018-03-26 12:37 <Tampa> Was 500mb normally, now up to 3000mb
2018-03-26 12:37 <Tampa> Within a few days, no traffic, no prims, usage is higher than 5.4 was
2018-03-26 17:58 <Bill_Blight> @Tampa , I'm not seeing that , just checked one of my sims that has been running for over 2 weeks, with 12k prims . 782  scripts with a script LPS of 170 and Heap is 108 MB Peek process is 491 MB ..   Not saying you are not seeing something diffrent.  Did you recompile with the new mono?
2018-03-26 17:59 <Bill_Blight> Or could be I'm using different mono environment variables to make it run leaner
2018-03-26 18:27 <Tampa> 4 simulators with a single 2x2 var, all next to each other, getting the feeling that maybe it has to do with regions next to one another, not sure. Going to keep an eye on this and maybe do some specific testing
2018-03-26 18:29 <Bill_Blight> Yeah this is a single 3x3 , and it does have other sims in view but not right next to each other
2018-03-26 18:31 <Bill_Blight> you may be on to something .. Just checked 2 other sims that are 3x3's that are right next to each other, they show about twice as much memory usage as one off by itself ..
2018-03-26 18:32 <Bill_Blight> Hard to tell though really, thy have almost twice as many prims and scripts too  
2018-03-26 18:32 <Tampa> It's normal they use more cause they have to look into each other in a sense, but it seems worse than usual lately
2018-03-26 18:33 <Ubit> guess ideas gc designers have, do not match opensim that well :(
2018-03-26 18:34 <Ubit> and the idea memory is cheap, guess still aroung
2018-03-26 18:34 <Ubit> around..
2018-03-26 18:34 <Tampa> lol
2018-03-26 18:34 <Tampa> I'm not sure actually I haven't looked at mono changelog for 5.10
2018-03-26 18:35 <Ubit> and gc is a big fail, bc it does need to scan things to actualy free memory
2018-03-26 18:35 <Ubit> so, a nice trick to see good and fast, is not actually doing it, hoping you will stop the application, bf it is a issue :p
2018-03-26 18:36 <Ubit> .. to seem...
2018-03-26 18:36 <Ubit> guess that will hold for many simple desktop apps,... so ..  well..
2018-03-26 18:37 <Ubit> " see how our gc is not so fast.. it takes no cpu time from yr code..  "  well  yeahh
2018-03-26 18:37 <Ubit> damm why do i keep typing NOT when i mean NOW ??? grrr
2018-03-26 18:38 <Tampa> Blame it on daylight savings or something, it's what I do
2018-03-26 18:38 <Ubit> :)
2018-03-26 18:38 <Ubit> and it did changed yesterday
2018-03-26 19:53 <SignpostMarv> so there's some fun. monodevelop won't build in vs2017 ¬_¬
2018-03-26 19:53 <SignpostMarv> will revisit it another day
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2018-03-27 08:35 <YouCanDolT> what could be the reason for robust to hog huge amounts of ram?
2018-03-27 08:40 <Tampa> What happens if you restart it, same?
2018-03-27 08:41 <YouCanDolT> same. starts with few mb than in few days grows up to few gigs
2018-03-27 08:42 <YouCanDolT> robust on windows. sims mostly outside some on linux some on windows
2018-03-27 08:43 <Tampa> I don't use winblows so no idea really
2018-03-27 13:39 <osmantis> Bug #8307:04 Unhandled exception and then sim crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8307 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-03-27 15:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #5869 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-03-27 15:07 <osmantis> Bug #8307:04 Unhandled exception and then sim crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8307 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-27 15:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5869: SUCCESS in 8 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5869/
2018-03-27 15:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis8307: avoid a null ref
2018-03-27 19:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #5870 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-03-27 19:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5870: SUCCESS in 5 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5870/
2018-03-27 19:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix previus commit with the right source file :(
2018-03-27 19:18 <Tampa> previous*
2018-03-27 19:18 <Ubit> yes that also
2018-03-27 19:18 <Ubit> ;)
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2018-03-28 01:39 <cuga_rajal> I have a startup issue when using trunk on Mono 5, says JPEG libs not installed correctly
2018-03-28 01:40 <cuga_rajal> And texture maps aren't loading
2018-03-28 01:40 <nebadon> what is the mono source?
2018-03-28 01:40 <nebadon> repo? compile yourself?
2018-03-28 01:40 <cuga_rajal> Latest stable 4.x
2018-03-28 01:40 <cuga_rajal> sorry 5.x
2018-03-28 01:40 <nebadon> repository?
2018-03-28 01:40 <cuga_rajal> Mono is stable download, I compile OS myself
2018-03-28 01:41 <cuga_rajal> Have been for years
2018-03-28 01:41 <cuga_rajal> Yes, OS from latest GIT
2018-03-28 01:41 <nebadon> if you compile yourself then you need to do libgdiplus
2018-03-28 01:41 <cuga_rajal> problem has been around a for at least a couple weeks
2018-03-28 01:41 <cuga_rajal> I started trying Mono5 now that it's been Officially fixed on mac
2018-03-28 01:42 <nebadon> ok well make sure you also compile libgdiplus
2018-03-28 01:42 <cuga_rajal> No errors still w/Mono4, but I want 64 bit
2018-03-28 01:42 <nebadon> otherwise graphics libraries will not work
2018-03-28 01:42 <cuga_rajal> Jpeg lib error may be related to 64 bit
2018-03-28 01:43 <cuga_rajal> I have never had to compile libgdiplus
2018-03-28 01:43 <Ubit> 65b ?? all monos did 64bit
2018-03-28 01:43 <cuga_rajal> Has always worked without that until Mono5
2018-03-28 01:43 <nebadon> unlikely
2018-03-28 01:43 <cuga_rajal> OK then maybe not 64bit issue
2018-03-28 01:43 <cuga_rajal> But I get console error
2018-03-28 01:43 <nebadon> if you are getting jpeg errors you are missing libgdiplus
2018-03-28 01:44 <cuga_rajal> Other graphics are fine, it's the J2000 maples that are throwing error on startup
2018-03-28 01:44 <cuga_rajal> maptile
2018-03-28 01:44 <cuga_rajal> s
2018-03-28 01:44 <nebadon> you can argue about that all you want but thats the reality
2018-03-28 01:44 <Ubit> anycpu, means 64bit on 64bit linux
2018-03-28 01:44 <Ubit> on all monos
2018-03-28 01:44 <Ubit> so 64bit is not a reason to move to mono5.x
2018-03-28 01:44 <cuga_rajal> Agree
2018-03-28 01:45 <Ubit> but mono5 does work ok
2018-03-28 01:45 <cuga_rajal> I assumed there are other advantages, latest apis etc
2018-03-28 01:45 <Ubit> so its has neb is telling...
2018-03-28 01:45 <cuga_rajal> It does run ok, but I'm trying to resolve maple issue
2018-03-28 01:45 <Ubit> you have something worng on yr mono install
2018-03-28 01:45 <cuga_rajal> maptile... what can't I type that?
2018-03-28 01:45 <nebadon> https://www.nebadon2025.com/opensim/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44
2018-03-28 01:45 <cuga_rajal> It's a vanilla Mono install, latest stable
2018-03-28 01:46 <nebadon> those are instructions for compiling 4.0.4 but they are identical for 5.x
2018-03-28 01:46 <nebadon> though i use tarballs myself
2018-03-28 01:46 <cuga_rajal> https://www.mono-project.com
2018-03-28 01:46 <nebadon> i am using mono 5.10 without problems
2018-03-28 01:46 <Ubit> what is the exact error ?
2018-03-28 01:46 <nebadon> on Linux though
2018-03-28 01:47 <cuga_rajal> Yeah this issue is likely on Mac implementation
2018-03-28 01:47 <Ubit> oops its mac?
2018-03-28 01:47 <nebadon> well mac still needs libgdiplus
2018-03-28 01:47 <nebadon> so if you didnt compile it
2018-03-28 01:47 <Ubit> 
ACTION shutsup :p

2018-03-28 01:47 <cuga_rajal> Trying to figure if it's something that can be corrected easily on the OS side
2018-03-28 01:47 <nebadon> thats most likely your problem
2018-03-28 01:47 <cuga_rajal> What dies Mac need libgdiplus for?
2018-03-28 01:47 <cuga_rajal> does
2018-03-28 01:47 <nebadon> mono needs it
2018-03-28 01:48 <nebadon> opensim needs it
2018-03-28 01:48 <nebadon> its been a requirement since day one
2018-03-28 01:48 <Ubit> os uses mono image tools on many places
2018-03-28 01:48 <cuga_rajal> Never been a problem on Mono4
2018-03-28 01:48 <cuga_rajal> and Mac
2018-03-28 01:48 <nebadon> its possible macOS had a compatible libgdiplus available previously
2018-03-28 01:48 <nebadon> and now its not
2018-03-28 01:49 <cuga_rajal> I can switch back to Mono4 and problem is gone
2018-03-28 01:49 <cuga_rajal> Go tMono5, problem re-appears
2018-03-28 01:49 <nebadon> ok well if your unwilling to listen then im going to stop talking
2018-03-28 01:49 <cuga_rajal> So a bad graphics library in Mono5?
2018-03-28 01:50 <nebadon> only other thing i can suggest is install the binary 
2018-03-28 01:50 <nebadon> no
2018-03-28 01:50 <nebadon> its not included with mono
2018-03-28 01:50 <nebadon> you have to compile it
2018-03-28 01:50 <nebadon> its simply just missing
2018-03-28 01:50 <nebadon> if it worked with mono4 its because OSX had a version that was compatible available
2018-03-28 01:50 <nebadon> and it no longer does now
2018-03-28 01:50 <cuga_rajal> I will post the error.. hold on...
2018-03-28 01:51 <nebadon> compiling it directly into mono lib folder will fix it
2018-03-28 01:51 <cuga_rajal> I would like to try that
2018-03-28 01:51 <nebadon> look at my instructions 
2018-03-28 01:51 <nebadon> the switches are there
2018-03-28 01:51 <cuga_rajal> Forgot I'm back to Mono4 now, can't capture error
2018-03-28 01:51 <cuga_rajal> DLL error on console
2018-03-28 01:51 <nebadon> when you run ./configure for libgdiplus
2018-03-28 01:52 <nebadon> just point it to same location as mono
2018-03-28 01:52 <cuga_rajal> It still starts up tho and runs mostly fine, except for J2000 images in maptiles
2018-03-28 01:52 <nebadon> ie: ./configure --prefix=/opt/mono-5.xx --libdir=/opt/mono-5.xx/lib --without-libgif
2018-03-28 01:52 <cuga_rajal> I can do that
2018-03-28 01:52 <nebadon> just adjust the path accordingly my instructions are for linux
2018-03-28 01:52 <nebadon> so wont be exaclty the same
2018-03-28 01:53 <cuga_rajal> Yeah, I think I know where the Mono root is
2018-03-28 01:55 <nebadon> i just downloaded the mono 5.10 mac binary installer
2018-03-28 01:55 <nebadon> and libgdiplus 5.6 is included
2018-03-28 01:55 <nebadon> so worst case just download the mono installer
2018-03-28 01:55 <nebadon> and that should atleast show you that it works ok
2018-03-28 01:55 <cuga_rajal> Thats what Im using
2018-03-28 01:55 <nebadon> you said you compiled from git?
2018-03-28 01:55 <cuga_rajal> There might be something wrong with their build
2018-03-28 01:56 <nebadon> i thought
2018-03-28 01:56 <cuga_rajal> I compiled OS from GIT, I'm using the pre-packaged Mono for Mac
2018-03-28 01:56 <nebadon> ah ok got you ok let me try
2018-03-28 01:56 <nebadon> one sec
2018-03-28 01:57 <cuga_rajal> Maybe I should go back a couple versions of 5.x, I'm trying the latest "Stable" 5.10.0
2018-03-28 01:58 <nebadon> yea thats what i am also trying
2018-03-28 01:58 <nebadon> i had 5.4 installed before
2018-03-28 01:58 <nebadon> on the mac
2018-03-28 01:58 <nebadon> i dont normally use my mac though
2018-03-28 01:58 <nebadon> its just for testing Unity stuff mostly
2018-03-28 01:58 <cuga_rajal> Nice that you have one to test :)
2018-03-28 01:58 <nebadon> yea i got it recently
2018-03-28 01:59 <nebadon> 13 Inch macbook pro 2016
2018-03-28 01:59 <nebadon> 256gb SSD 8gb ram Intel 540 Gpu
2018-03-28 01:59 <cuga_rajal> nice
2018-03-28 01:59 <nebadon> its pretty nice, got it from facebook market place some local person
2018-03-28 01:59 <nebadon> had 1 battery cycle
2018-03-28 01:59 <nebadon> 900$
2018-03-28 01:59 <cuga_rajal> great deal
2018-03-28 01:59 <nebadon> pretty much stole it
2018-03-28 01:59 <nebadon> yea
2018-03-28 01:59 <nebadon> they bought it for their son, he turned it on once and said I hate mac
2018-03-28 02:00 <nebadon> sat in box on shelf for a year
2018-03-28 02:00 <cuga_rajal> Mine's a MB Pro 13" 2014
2018-03-28 02:00 <cuga_rajal> for testing
2018-03-28 02:00 <cuga_rajal> But my hyper grip sim is on a Mac Mini i5 SSD 16GB
2018-03-28 02:00 <cuga_rajal> hypergrid
2018-03-28 02:00 <nebadon> opensim is compiling
2018-03-28 02:01 <nebadon> im just going to start up a basic standalone
2018-03-28 02:01 <nebadon> see what happens
2018-03-28 02:01 <cuga_rajal> Mine compiled fine and started up ok, except for that maytime error
2018-03-28 02:01 <cuga_rajal> maptile
2018-03-28 02:01 <nebadon> yea
2018-03-28 02:01 <nebadon> did it crash or just display error?
2018-03-28 02:01 <cuga_rajal> just displayed error but otherwise ran ok
2018-03-28 02:01 <cuga_rajal> finished startup
2018-03-28 02:02 <cuga_rajal> Maybe a prob w/ Mono 5.10
2018-03-28 02:02 <nebadon> more likely it may be a problem with libgdiplus
2018-03-28 02:02 <nebadon> this version is very new
2018-03-28 02:02 <nebadon> it could maybe even be a problem in linux if that is the case
2018-03-28 02:02 <cuga_rajal> It mentions a different DLL than that in the error
2018-03-28 02:03 <nebadon> you dont recall DLL?
2018-03-28 02:03 <cuga_rajal> I should have captured it
2018-03-28 02:03 <cuga_rajal> If you're not getting the error on startup I can retry with the version of 5.x you're using
2018-03-28 02:04 <cuga_rajal> Mine is an 8x8 varregion, maybe that could cause maple problem?
2018-03-28 02:04 <cuga_rajal> maptile
2018-03-28 02:07 <nebadon> hmm
2018-03-28 02:07 <nebadon> its an openjpeg error
2018-03-28 02:07 <nebadon> its wierd its calling wrong file I think
2018-03-28 02:07 <cuga_rajal> yes thats it
2018-03-28 02:07 <nebadon> its calling a dll
2018-03-28 02:07 <nebadon> it shouldnt be doing that
2018-03-28 02:07 <nebadon> one second
2018-03-28 02:08 <nebadon> it should be calling the dylib
2018-03-28 02:08 <nebadon> maybe config file is borked
2018-03-28 02:08 <cuga_rajal> I saw the dylib exists so I was confused why happening
2018-03-28 02:09 <nebadon> shit
2018-03-28 02:10 <nebadon> mono is detecting it as Unix
2018-03-28 02:10 <nebadon> not osx
2018-03-28 02:10 <nebadon> maybe this is a mono thing
2018-03-28 02:10 <nebadon> Melanie_T ping
2018-03-28 02:10 <cuga_rajal> *bad* mono-project  * bad *
2018-03-28 02:10 <cuga_rajal> You don't get error on Mac with 5.6?
2018-03-28 02:11 <cuga_rajal> Or is that what you are using now?
2018-03-28 02:12 <nebadon> i have 5.10 im testing now
2018-03-28 02:12 <nebadon> never used 5.6
2018-03-28 02:12 <cuga_rajal> ah ok, maybe prob with that version
2018-03-28 02:15 <nebadon> strange its trying to load the 64bit dll
2018-03-28 02:15 <nebadon> and not the dylib file
2018-03-28 02:15 <nebadon> Melanie_T would probably know why this is
2018-03-28 02:16 <nebadon> let me try fall back to older mono and see what happens
2018-03-28 02:17 <cuga_rajal> thanks for checking
2018-03-28 02:19 <nebadon> mono 5.4 also does it
2018-03-28 02:19 <cuga_rajal> <groans>
2018-03-28 02:19 <cuga_rajal> Thanks for checking
2018-03-28 02:20 <cuga_rajal> I wasn't sure who to report it to
2018-03-28 02:20 <nebadon> yea im going to try 5.0.0 now
2018-03-28 02:20 <nebadon> its possible we may just need to recompile openjpeg or something
2018-03-28 02:20 <cuga_rajal> 4.8.1 actually works very well, just kinda old
2018-03-28 02:20 <nebadon> its just wierd its trying to load a dll
2018-03-28 02:20 <nebadon> yea i will try that next
2018-03-28 02:20 <cuga_rajal> problem only in 5
2018-03-28 02:21 <nebadon> i want to see what mono detects for operating system on 4.x
2018-03-28 02:21 <nebadon> it might have changed how it reports OS
2018-03-28 02:21 <nebadon> if thats the case that could explain why its failing
2018-03-28 02:21 <nebadon> its showing Unix
2018-03-28 02:21 <cuga_rajal> that would make sense
2018-03-28 02:21 <nebadon> which is also what my linux machine shows i think
2018-03-28 02:21 <cuga_rajal> ohh..
2018-03-28 02:21 <cuga_rajal> hmm
2018-03-28 02:22 <cuga_rajal> Doesn't throw errors on 4
2018-03-28 02:22 <nebadon> ok thats my next test after this one now on 5.0
2018-03-28 02:22 <cuga_rajal> ahh
2018-03-28 02:23 <nebadon> same no 5.0
2018-03-28 02:24 <nebadon> downloading 4.8.1 now to compare how it reports OS
2018-03-28 02:24 <nebadon> will probably need Melanies help to resolve it if this is indeed the problem, she has Mac also and much more experience than I do
2018-03-28 02:24 <nebadon> though I really doubt she uses opensim on her mac ever
2018-03-28 02:25 <nebadon> you are in a very small crowd :)
2018-03-28 02:25 <cuga_rajal> lol
2018-03-28 02:25 <nebadon> im guessing its like less than 30 globally
2018-03-28 02:25 <nebadon> haha
2018-03-28 02:25 <cuga_rajal> I could run linux on that box instead of Mac
2018-03-28 02:25 <nebadon> or run a VM
2018-03-28 02:26 <cuga_rajal> But I use the same box to run a TV and multimedia
2018-03-28 02:26 <cuga_rajal> A VM would be slower
2018-03-28 02:26 <nebadon> you will probably get better performance in linux even in a VM
2018-03-28 02:26 <nebadon> ehh
2018-03-28 02:26 <nebadon> i doubt it
2018-03-28 02:26 <cuga_rajal> ohh 
2018-03-28 02:26 <nebadon> you could connect to a database on main OS too
2018-03-28 02:26 <nebadon> but if everything is setup correctly VM should be very fast
2018-03-28 02:26 <cuga_rajal> I use MySQL on Mac
2018-03-28 02:27 <cuga_rajal> I'm a RedHat server engineer irl
2018-03-28 02:27 <nebadon> hmm ok strangely its not the OS detection
2018-03-28 02:27 <nebadon> 4.8.1 shows unix too
2018-03-28 02:27 <cuga_rajal> Hmm weird ok
2018-03-28 02:27 <nebadon> though its hung for me now
2018-03-28 02:27 <nebadon> at Initializing addon manager
2018-03-28 02:27 <cuga_rajal> 4.8.1?
2018-03-28 02:27 <nebadon> yea
2018-03-28 02:28 <cuga_rajal> Thats most stable on mine
2018-03-28 02:28 <cuga_rajal> First startup it will take a minute to build fonts
2018-03-28 02:28 <cuga_rajal> it might
2018-03-28 02:28 <nebadon> ah i closed terminal and launched again now its going
2018-03-28 02:28 <nebadon> its on mapimage service now
2018-03-28 02:29 <nebadon> not moving but maybe its rendering it
2018-03-28 02:29 <nebadon> should go fast with the default dot island
2018-03-28 02:29 <cuga_rajal> Misterblue has visited my Mac sim :)
2018-03-28 02:29 <nebadon> hmm it seems stuck again
2018-03-28 02:29 <cuga_rajal> Weird
2018-03-28 02:29 <nebadon> maybe i should recompile it with mono 4.8.1
2018-03-28 02:29 <cuga_rajal> I do a lot of physics stuff
2018-03-28 02:29 <cuga_rajal> Oh yes you need to do that
2018-03-28 02:30 <nebadon> oh no there it goes
2018-03-28 02:30 <nebadon> was just incredibly slow
2018-03-28 02:30 <nebadon> no error
2018-03-28 02:30 <nebadon> so yea hmm well I guess a mantis is in order
2018-03-28 02:30 <nebadon> I can do that
2018-03-28 02:30 <cuga_rajal> Yeah I wasn't sure if this was a mono thing or OS thing
2018-03-28 02:30 <cuga_rajal> OK great thanks
2018-03-28 02:31 <nebadon> its possible that openjpeg may just need to be recompiled or something
2018-03-28 02:32 <nebadon> though that doesnt totally make sense either
2018-03-28 02:32 <nebadon> we need Melanie_T :)
2018-03-28 02:32 <cuga_rajal> I googled that error and it seems the same issue happened a few years ago
2018-03-28 02:32 <nebadon> she is probably sleeping, she is in EU
2018-03-28 02:32 <cuga_rajal> Maybe a regression?
2018-03-28 02:32 <nebadon> link?
2018-03-28 02:32 <cuga_rajal> lemme try to fond..
2018-03-28 02:32 <nebadon> nah if it was regression it wouldnt work on old mono either
2018-03-28 02:32 <nebadon> this is something else
2018-03-28 02:32 <cuga_rajal> ah ok
2018-03-28 02:32 <cuga_rajal> Was same error
2018-03-28 02:33 <nebadon> yea
2018-03-28 02:33 <cuga_rajal> Maybe different cause
2018-03-28 02:33 <nebadon> thats not surprising the error basically just says openjpeg is broken
2018-03-28 02:33 <nebadon> very non specific
2018-03-28 02:33 <cuga_rajal> Yeah ok
2018-03-28 02:33 <nebadon> I am however surprised its trying to use the dll
2018-03-28 02:33 <nebadon> and not the mac dylib file
2018-03-28 02:34 <nebadon> so it might be a fairly simple fix
2018-03-28 02:34 <nebadon> if its just trying to load wrong file
2018-03-28 02:34 <cuga_rajal> Thanks for opening ticket, peeps will take it seriously cuz I didn't open it :/
2018-03-28 02:34 <nebadon> that however would mean mono has changed some how
2018-03-28 02:35 <nebadon> but likely could be fixed on our end, but im speculating 
2018-03-28 02:35 <cuga_rajal> Maybe able to add work-around in OS
2018-03-28 02:36 <cuga_rajal> Glad that you could reproduce
2018-03-28 02:38 <cuga_rajal> I'm gonna log.. Thanks again Nebadon
2018-03-28 02:40 <osmantis> Bug #8308:04 System.DllNotFoundException: openjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll with mono 5.x on OSX 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8308 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-03-28 02:41 <nebadon> well mantis filed :)
2018-03-28 02:41 <Ubit> hmm ?
2018-03-28 02:41 <nebadon> Melanie_T if you get a chance maybe have a look :)
2018-03-28 02:41 <nebadon> i was able to recreate it on my mac with mono 5.x
2018-03-28 02:41 <nebadon> its strange its trying to load dll
2018-03-28 02:42 <Ubit> Failed generating terrain map: System.DllNotFoundException: openjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll
2018-03-28 02:42 <nebadon> yea
2018-03-28 02:43 <nebadon> that seems wrong
2018-03-28 02:43 <nebadon> shouldnt it be using the dylib on mac?
2018-03-28 02:43 <Ubit> guess so
2018-03-28 02:43 <Bill_Blight> what mac version are you both using?  I know there were some versions of OSX that got detected as Unix instead of mac
2018-03-28 02:43 <nebadon> High Sierra
2018-03-28 02:43 <nebadon> very latest everything
2018-03-28 02:43 <nebadon> its definitely being detected as unix
2018-03-28 02:43 <nebadon> however it works fine in mono 4.8.1
2018-03-28 02:43 <nebadon> it only fails on 5.0+
2018-03-28 02:44 <nebadon> and still even being detected as unix
2018-03-28 02:44 <nebadon> it should load the .so file
2018-03-28 02:44 <nebadon> not the DLL
2018-03-28 02:44 <nebadon> i think right?
2018-03-28 02:45 <Bill_Blight> Yeah that is very strange, but it is OSX ... :P
2018-03-28 02:45 <Ubit> there should be a .config file for that
2018-03-28 02:45 <Bill_Blight> well I think Mono needs some of the DLL's but not sure of the load order in opensim
2018-03-28 02:45 <Bill_Blight> for OSX that is
2018-03-28 02:45 <nebadon> yea the its like its ignoring the .config file
2018-03-28 02:45 <Ubit> now where is it :)
2018-03-28 02:45 <nebadon> in mono 5.x
2018-03-28 02:45 <nebadon> that was first thing i checked
2018-03-28 02:45 <nebadon> and its correct
2018-03-28 02:46 <Bill_Blight> wonder what he is building it with?  Nant/msbuild ?
2018-03-28 02:46 <Bill_Blight> xbuild
2018-03-28 02:46 <nebadon> i used msbuild
2018-03-28 02:46 <Ubit> well i don't find it lol
2018-03-28 02:46 <nebadon> OpenMetaverse.dll.config
2018-03-28 02:47 <Ubit> well map is not that
2018-03-28 02:47 <nebadon> oh hmm
2018-03-28 02:47 <nebadon> so map has its own config?
2018-03-28 02:48 <Ubit> wel its on another dll
2018-03-28 02:48 <Ubit> its warp3d ?
2018-03-28 02:50 <nebadon> its calling penMetaverse.Imaging.OpenJPEG though
2018-03-28 02:50 <Ubit> hmm
2018-03-28 02:50 <nebadon> err OpenMetaverse.Imaging.OpenJPEG
2018-03-28 02:50 <nebadon> so it must be OpenMetaverse.dll no?
2018-03-28 02:51 <Ubit> guess so yes
2018-03-28 02:51 <Ubit> ( and does work on linux.. )
2018-03-28 02:51 <Bill_Blight> If it needs the DLL, that kind of puts us back to libgdplus
2018-03-28 02:51 <nebadon> ya its like mono 5 on OSX is ignoring the .config
2018-03-28 02:51 <nebadon> hmm I dont think so
2018-03-28 02:52 <nebadon> OpenJpeg is independant of libgdiplus 
2018-03-28 02:52 <nebadon> I think 
2018-03-28 02:52 <nebadon> we need libgdiplus for jpg stuff
2018-03-28 02:52 <nebadon> not jp2000
2018-03-28 02:52 <Ubit> yeap uses that dll etc
2018-03-28 02:52 <nebadon> it does use libgdiplus?
2018-03-28 02:52 <Ubit> not sure
2018-03-28 02:53 <nebadon> yea I dont think it does
2018-03-28 02:53 <nebadon> I could be wrong though
2018-03-28 02:53 <Ubit> using System.Drawing.Imaging; this is gdiplus
2018-03-28 02:54 <Bill_Blight> need to check and see what this is returning on older mono/OSX versions .... Environment.OSVersion.Platform
2018-03-28 02:54 <nebadon> that would be good Bill
2018-03-28 02:55 <Bill_Blight> It is in the Util.cs
2018-03-28 02:55 <Bill_Blight> starts at line 1916 about there .  at least on httptests .. all I had in front of me to look
2018-03-28 02:55 <nebadon>  [STARTUP]: Operating system version: Unix 17.4.0.0, .NET platform Unix, 64-bit
2018-03-28 02:55 <nebadon> that is what I get
2018-03-28 02:55 <Bill_Blight> so yeah that is not returning what it should
2018-03-28 02:55 <Bill_Blight> ru = "OSX/Mono";
2018-03-28 02:56 <Bill_Blight> is what it should get
2018-03-28 02:56 <Ubit> oops :)
2018-03-28 02:56 <nebadon> yea I thought so
2018-03-28 02:56 <nebadon> but why does mono 4.8.1 work
2018-03-28 02:57 <nebadon> it also reports same thing
2018-03-28 02:57 <nebadon> very strange
2018-03-28 02:57 <Bill_Blight> Well 4.x had some security issues to , maybe allowing incorrect os detection was one of them ...
2018-03-28 02:57 <Bill_Blight> I really have no clue on why
2018-03-28 02:57 <nebadon> so i wonder how we handle this
2018-03-28 02:58 <Ubit> hmm unix is not linux
2018-03-28 02:58 <nebadon> well I am fairly certainly opensuse also says Unix
2018-03-28 02:59 <nebadon> let me verify 1 sec
2018-03-28 03:00 <nebadon> yeps
2018-03-28 03:00 <Ubit> yeap so does debian
2018-03-28 03:00 <Bill_Blight> Well it should say Unix
2018-03-28 03:00 <nebadon> OpenSuse Leap 42.3 shows unix
2018-03-28 03:00 <Ubit> so its Unix :)
2018-03-28 03:00 <nebadon> yea
2018-03-28 03:00 <nebadon> its *nix
2018-03-28 03:01 <Bill_Blight> public static string GetRuntimeInformation()
2018-03-28 03:01 <Bill_Blight>         {
2018-03-28 03:01 <Bill_Blight>             string ru = String.Empty;
2018-03-28 03:01 <Bill_Blight>             if (Environment.OSVersion.Platform == PlatformID.Unix)
2018-03-28 03:01 <Bill_Blight>                 ru = "Unix/Mono";
2018-03-28 03:01 <Bill_Blight>             else
2018-03-28 03:01 <Bill_Blight>                 if (Environment.OSVersion.Platform == PlatformID.MacOSX)
2018-03-28 03:01 <Bill_Blight>                     ru = "OSX/Mono";
2018-03-28 03:01 <Bill_Blight>                 else
2018-03-28 03:01 <Bill_Blight>                 {
2018-03-28 03:01 <Bill_Blight>                     if (IsPlatformMono)
2018-03-28 03:01 <Bill_Blight>                         ru = "Win/Mono";
2018-03-28 03:01 <Bill_Blight> No definition for Linux specific
2018-03-28 03:02 <Ubit> well but config does not use this
2018-03-28 03:02 <Ubit> this is only display
2018-03-28 03:02 <Ubit> in m_simulatorVersion = simulatorVersion + " (" + Util.GetRuntimeInformation() + ")";
2018-03-28 03:03 <Bill_Blight> Hmmm I thought I saw someplace it used it to determine what to load, but maybe I confused it with some other code I was looking at
2018-03-28 03:04 <Ubit>             m_log.InfoFormat(
2018-03-28 03:04 <Ubit>                 "[STARTUP]: Operating system version: {0}, .NET platform {1}, {2}-bit\n",
2018-03-28 03:04 <Ubit>                 Environment.OSVersion, Environment.OSVersion.Platform, Util.Is64BitProcess() ? "64" : "32");
2018-03-28 03:04 <Ubit> that on .log does come from .net
2018-03-28 03:05 <Plugh> That person could have run mono-test-install to check if their mono is installed correctly. If it doesn't say "You have a working System.Drawing setup" that would point to a problem with libgdiplus.
2018-03-28 03:05 <nebadon> Plugh i did it
2018-03-28 03:05 <nebadon> :)
2018-03-28 03:05 <nebadon> it definitely was installed correctly
2018-03-28 03:05 <nebadon> i used their binary installer
2018-03-28 03:05 <Plugh> I was thinking about that cuga person who was here earlier.
2018-03-28 03:05 <nebadon> yea
2018-03-28 03:05 <nebadon> i have a macbook pro
2018-03-28 03:06 <nebadon> so i ran through it several times here myself
2018-03-28 03:06 <nebadon> and had same issue as him
2018-03-28 03:06 <Plugh> I've also seen a problem with a path not being set properly in a file of the mono install but I only ran in to that when I had built mono from source.
2018-03-28 03:06 <Ubit> but none of our code is used on the .confg
2018-03-28 03:07 <nebadon> that should be a mono thing
2018-03-28 03:07 <nebadon> mono should just read the .config right?
2018-03-28 03:07 <Ubit> yeap 
2018-03-28 03:07 <Plugh> Ah, yes. I recall the problem now. The path to the libgdiplus.so file was wrong in the etc/mono/config file. I had to fix it before it would properly find the libgdiplus it wanted.
2018-03-28 03:07 <Ubit> well fake and change the unix path to the dyn
2018-03-28 03:08 <Ubit> ( you had to do this on something else no ?? AHh on the ras PI
2018-03-28 03:08 <Bill_Blight> This could be an issue if there are multiple ligdiplus on the system , artifacts from leftover installs ..
2018-03-28 03:08 <nebadon> yea i dont think changing it will resolve it though
2018-03-28 03:08 <nebadon> because when i go back to old mono it works
2018-03-28 03:08 <nebadon> so this must be a bug or they changed something
2018-03-28 03:09 <nebadon> its every version of mono 5.x
2018-03-28 03:09 <nebadon> i tried 4 versions
2018-03-28 03:09 <Ubit> just try try on the 5.x
2018-03-28 03:09 <nebadon> i did
2018-03-28 03:09 <nebadon> 5.0.0 5.4 5.8 5.10
2018-03-28 03:09 <nebadon> all do same thing
2018-03-28 03:09 <Ubit> changing to dyn did not fixed?
2018-03-28 03:09 <Bill_Blight> or maybe mono 5.x needs a newer version of libgdiplus 
2018-03-28 03:10 <Ubit> well we are talking about gdi or openjpeg ??
2018-03-28 03:10 <nebadon> 5.8 has Libgdiplus 5.4 installed
2018-03-28 03:10 <nebadon> 5.10 has libgdiplus 5.6
2018-03-28 03:10 <nebadon> thats as new as it gets
2018-03-28 03:11 <Ubit> well the error on mantis is about openjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll
2018-03-28 03:11 <Bill_Blight> hmmm it also says it is missing System.dll
2018-03-28 03:12 <Ubit> outch
2018-03-28 03:12 <Ubit> lol
2018-03-28 03:12 <Bill_Blight> if it is missing that , could cause other errors
2018-03-28 03:12 <Ubit> i don't see system.dll
2018-03-28 03:12 <Bill_Blight> I had the missing system.dll error a couple of times a purge and re-install of mono-complete fixed that error
2018-03-28 03:13 <nebadon> the file exists
2018-03-28 03:13 <nebadon> that is static file in opensim core
2018-03-28 03:13 <nebadon> not like it compiles with opensim
2018-03-28 03:14 <Bill_Blight> actually System.dll is a mono file, right, it shoudl be static on the system
2018-03-28 03:14 <Ubit> i don't see a error about system.dll bill
2018-03-28 03:14 <Bill_Blight> 22:36:38 - [WORLD MAP]: Failed generating terrain map: System.DllNotFoundException: openjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll
2018-03-28 03:14 <Ubit> thats from system.dll :p
2018-03-28 03:15 <Bill_Blight> System.DllNotFoundException:
2018-03-28 03:15 <Ubit> its the error name
2018-03-28 03:15 <Bill_Blight> oh yeah duh 
2018-03-28 03:15 <Bill_Blight> brain not working, I'll shutup now
2018-03-28 03:15 <Ubit> and bad error.. bc i guess it did found it, tryed to open as a mac dll and that failed
2018-03-28 03:15 <osmantis> Bug #8309:04 Timeout and crash if it takes too long to purge trash folder 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8309 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-03-28 03:17 <Ubit> hmm this new mantis seems a easier issue :p
2018-03-28 03:18 <Bill_Blight> that new mantis , I have seen that error when running on slow server, but never on my faster servers ..  I just deleted 45k inventory items from my trash and it didn't blow up ..
2018-03-28 03:18 <Ubit> what hell.. it has a try
2018-03-28 03:19 <Bill_Blight> Of course 3/4 of those were missing assets
2018-03-28 03:27 <Ubit> sounds like robust timing
2018-03-28 03:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #5871 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-03-28 03:31 <osmantis> Bug #8309:04 Timeout and crash if it takes too long to purge trash folder 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8309 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-28 03:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5871: SUCCESS in 5 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5871/
2018-03-28 03:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis8309 add extra try{}catch
2018-03-28 03:35 <Ubit> that mac that returns Unix as os is still on OSX ?
2018-03-28 03:36 <nebadon> yes
2018-03-28 03:36 <nebadon> High Sierra 
2018-03-28 03:36 <nebadon> 10.13.3 (17D102)
2018-03-28 03:37 <nebadon> I am keeping my macbook pure for development purposes
2018-03-28 03:37 <nebadon> i have enough linux / windows machines no need to bastardize it
2018-03-28 03:38 <Ubit> what does uname tell ?  
2018-03-28 03:38 <nebadon> 1 sec
2018-03-28 03:38 <nebadon> Darwin
2018-03-28 03:38 <nebadon> and uname -r says 17.4.0
2018-03-28 03:39 <nebadon> uname -a says Darwin Unix Kernel 17.40
2018-03-28 03:39 <Ubit> well this seems another mono bug
2018-03-28 03:40 <Ubit> it shoudl report the correct os
2018-03-28 03:40 <nebadon> Bill_Blight what does yours say?
2018-03-28 03:40 <nebadon> ya kind of worrying
2018-03-28 03:40 <nebadon> but the wierder part is
2018-03-28 03:40 <nebadon> even if it thinks its Unix
2018-03-28 03:40 <nebadon> it should be loading the .so file right?
2018-03-28 03:40 <nebadon> not the dll
2018-03-28 03:41 <Ubit> yeap but looks for the dll
2018-03-28 03:41 <nebadon> yea
2018-03-28 03:43 <Ubit> what mono --version says ?
2018-03-28 03:44 <nebadon> 5.10.1.16
2018-03-28 03:44 <Ubit> 64bit etc ?
2018-03-28 03:44 <nebadon> architecture just says amd64
2018-03-28 03:45 <nebadon> it is Intel i5
2018-03-28 03:47 <Ubit> err try on the config setting os as Darwin
2018-03-28 03:47 <nebadon> good idea
2018-03-28 03:49 <nebadon> nope
2018-03-28 03:49 <nebadon> tried darwin and Darwin
2018-03-28 03:49 <nebadon> its like its just ignoring the .config file completely
2018-03-28 03:49 <Ubit> no idea why we do have libopenjpeg.dotnet on bin/ and also bin/lib64
2018-03-28 03:50 <nebadon> hmm yea not sure either
2018-03-28 03:51 <nebadon> maybe leftover from opensim32 launcher thingy
2018-03-28 03:51 <Ubit> nahh
2018-03-28 03:55 <Ubit> opensim32 is just a hack
2018-03-28 03:55 <Ubit> it is set to run in 32bits, and if a app starts as 32bit, all it calls will be 32bit
2018-03-28 03:55 <nebadon> yea I just thought maybe we had some hackish thing where it wasnt fully working or something
2018-03-28 03:56 <nebadon> so we put it in both folders to resolve the issue
2018-03-28 03:56 <Ubit> it works fine, but only on win
2018-03-28 03:56 <Ubit> i mean opensim32
2018-03-28 03:56 <Ubit> mono just runs it in 64bit also :)
2018-03-28 03:57 <Ubit> igonres the 32bit request on the exe file
2018-03-28 04:00 <Ubit> about the wrong identification of the OS on startup
2018-03-28 04:00 <Ubit> "It's hard coded that way to match Mono's behavior of returning Unix on macOS."
2018-03-28 04:00 <Ubit> really ??
2018-03-28 04:02 <nebadon> hmm
2018-03-28 04:02 <nebadon> yea so in theory could osx use same files as linux then?
2018-03-28 04:03 <nebadon> is there even a need for a mac specific version?
2018-03-28 04:03 <Ubit> well not for us..
2018-03-28 04:03 <Ubit> but it does use dyn.. and not dll or so
2018-03-28 04:04 <nebadon> yea
2018-03-28 04:07 <Ubit> try running with MONO_LOG_LEVEL=debug mono GdiExample.exe
2018-03-28 04:07 <Ubit> errr opensim.exe  :)=
2018-03-28 04:08 <Ubit> ( should list the tries it does looking for libs )
2018-03-28 04:08 <Ubit> Mono-INFO: DllImport attempting to load: ....
2018-03-28 04:14 <nebadon> ok 1 sec
2018-03-28 04:14 <nebadon> is that different than mono --debug?
2018-03-28 04:14 <Ubit> no idea just seen on google :)
2018-03-28 04:15 <nebadon> holy hell
2018-03-28 04:15 <nebadon> yea its different
2018-03-28 04:15 <nebadon> jesus
2018-03-28 04:15 <nebadon> its literally "everything"
2018-03-28 04:15 <Ubit> outch :)
2018-03-28 04:15 <nebadon> yea this seems uhhh.. way to much
2018-03-28 04:15 <nebadon> i dont even see opensim
2018-03-28 04:16 <nebadon> its so much extra data
2018-03-28 04:16 <nebadon> its printing like every thread literally everything
2018-03-28 04:17 <Ubit> :(
2018-03-28 04:19 <nebadon> https://gist.githubusercontent.com/nebadon2025/32a7838715fa406bc8b3331c7c0bf3d7/raw/818e50942360fafb5b7f9f43b54a6f54d8ad1762/gistfile1.txt
2018-03-28 04:20 <Ubit> Mono: mono_w32file_find_next: Found [/Users/nebadon/opensim/opensim/bin/libopenjpeg-dotnet-2-1.5.0-dotnet-1-i686.so]
2018-03-28 04:20 <Ubit> Mono: mono_w32file_find_next: Found [/Users/nebadon/opensim/opensim/bin/libopenjpeg-dotnet-2-1.5.0-dotnet-1-x86_64.so]
2018-03-28 04:20 <Ubit> Mono: mono_w32file_find_next: Found [/Users/nebadon/opensim/opensim/bin/libopenjpeg-dotnet-2-1.5.0-dotnet-1.dylib]
2018-03-28 04:21 <nebadon> also look
2018-03-28 04:21 <nebadon> Mono: DllImport error loading library '/Users/nebadon/opensim/opensim/bin/libopenjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll.dylib': 'dlopen(/Users/nebadon/opensim/opensim/bin/libopenjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll.dylib, 9): image not found'.
2018-03-28 04:22 <nebadon> its like its matching the dll name
2018-03-28 04:22 <nebadon> but just tacking .dylib on the end
2018-03-28 04:22 <nebadon> experiment time :)
2018-03-28 04:22 <Ubit> ignoring the .confg
2018-03-28 04:25 <nebadon> yea creating that file from the dylib didnt help
2018-03-28 04:25 <nebadon> oh wait a sec hmm
2018-03-28 04:25 <nebadon> i named it wrong one sec
2018-03-28 04:25 <Ubit> the version numbers are not included
2018-03-28 04:25 <nebadon> no i had it right
2018-03-28 04:26 <Ubit> it is really ignoring the config
2018-03-28 04:26 <nebadon> so my hacky test fails
2018-03-28 04:26 <nebadon> yea
2018-03-28 04:27 <Ubit> libopenjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll.dylib  does not work ?
2018-03-28 04:28 <Ubit> ohh
2018-03-28 04:28 <Ubit> it did read the config file
2018-03-28 04:28 <nebadon> nah it did not work
2018-03-28 04:28 <Ubit> hmm nopes
2018-03-28 04:29 <Ubit> but where did it got the x86_64 ?
2018-03-28 04:29 <Ubit> lib is <dllmap os="osx" dll="openjpeg-dotnet.dll"
2018-03-28 04:29 <nebadon> look at this
2018-03-28 04:29 <nebadon> Mono: Assembly Loader loaded assembly from location: '/Users/nebadon/opensim/opensim/bin/OpenMetaverse.dll'.
2018-03-28 04:29 <nebadon> Mono: Config attempting to parse: '/Users/nebadon/opensim/opensim/bin/OpenMetaverse.dll.config'.
2018-03-28 04:29 <nebadon> Mono: Config attempting to parse: '/Library/Frameworks/Mono.framework/Versions/5.10.1/etc/mono/assemblies/OpenMetaverse/OpenMetaverse.config'.
2018-03-28 04:30 <nebadon> why the hell is it checking that last one
2018-03-28 04:31 <nebadon> it also never says Found assembly remapping
2018-03-28 04:31 <nebadon> for that .config
2018-03-28 04:31 <Ubit> Mono: Assembly Loader probing location: 'OpenSim.exe'.
2018-03-28 04:31 <Ubit> Mono: AOT: image '/Users/nebadon/opensim/opensim/bin/OpenSim.exe.dylib' not found: dlopen(/Users/nebadon/opensim/opensim/bin/OpenSim.exe.dylib, 9): image not found
2018-03-28 04:31 <Ubit> ??
2018-03-28 04:32 <Ubit> ( and it is using .net4.5 not 4.0 .. but well should work.. )
2018-03-28 04:32 <Ubit> .net 4.0 is no longer included
2018-03-28 04:33 <Ubit> oops that above is for AOT
2018-03-28 04:33 <Ubit> AOT seems to create a dylib also for exe
2018-03-28 04:34 <nebadon> yea its hard to make sense of this encyclopedia log
2018-03-28 04:34 <nebadon> the 87 Volume OpenSim Log Edition
2018-03-28 04:35 <Bill_Blight> libopenjpeg-dotnet-2-1.5.0-dotnet-1.dylib  is in the bin directory, I swear it used to be in the lib64 directory ... Ok shutting back up now.
2018-03-28 04:35 <Bill_Blight> 
ACTION goes back to his single malt

2018-03-28 04:45 <Ubit> i don't understand why so many copies there
2018-03-28 04:45 <Ubit> several libopenjpeg-dotnet* and on 3 places
2018-03-28 04:48 <Ubit> ok the ones with 2.1.5.0 came from current libomv
2018-03-28 04:48 <Ubit> ohh and do do the others
2018-03-28 04:53 <nebadon> yea it is perplexing 
2018-03-28 05:45 <osmantis> Bug #8309:04 Timeout and crash if it takes too long to purge trash folder 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8309 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2018-03-29 08:52 <velus> is there a way for me to find the time of day (as in light cycle time) with lsl or ossl? im wanting to create autmatic lights when it get dark
2018-03-29 09:10 <nebadon_> yes velus, there is
2018-03-29 09:10 <velus> where would i find the info for it?
2018-03-29 09:10 <nebadon_> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlGetTimeOfDay
2018-03-29 09:10 <velus> thanks
2018-03-29 09:17 <velus> that script seems to be getting inworld time, i was hoping to get time acording to position of the sun, 
2018-03-29 09:23 <nebadon_> hmm cant you set sun position to match clock though?
2018-03-29 09:25 <nebadon_> velus maybe this
2018-03-29 09:25 <nebadon_> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsGetCurrentSunHour
2018-03-29 09:25 <Tampa> vector sun = llGetSunDirection();
2018-03-29 09:26 <Tampa> sun.z;
2018-03-29 09:27 <Tampa> 1 = noon, -1 = midnight
2018-03-29 09:29 <velus> thanks ill try now
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2018-03-30 10:30 <Priestov> hi all
2018-03-30 10:32 <Priestov> in Robast have function DisallowExport. For example DisallowExport = "LSLText, Unknown,"
2018-03-30 10:34 <Priestov> for the experiment, I included a ban on everything. But users from other grids can still exchange things. It just became harder to do.
2018-03-30 11:05 <Priestov> What am I doing wrong?
2018-03-30 11:06 <Priestov> Or is this how it works?
2018-03-30 16:48 <techplex> I've noticed that Firestorm is downloading textures directly from a CDN and not through CAPS, does opensim support direct texture downloads?
2018-03-30 16:48 <Ubit> you should not do that on opensim
2018-03-30 16:48 <Ubit> regions provide caching for the grid assets
2018-03-30 16:49 <Ubit> and auth checks
2018-03-30 16:49 <Ubit> you can make regions tell viewers to get from the grid assets services..
2018-03-30 16:49 <Ubit> but those are slow, and no rights checks
2018-03-30 16:49 <Ubit> see ?
2018-03-30 16:50 <Ubit> sl is moving to cdn, they can pay it
2018-03-30 16:50 <techplex> Interesting, what if I wanted to store my textures in a cloud like Amazon S3  or Cloudfront, that isn't supported right now right?
2018-03-30 16:51 <Ubit> you can change the url given to viewers
2018-03-30 16:51 <Ubit> the default "localhost" means, get from region
2018-03-30 16:52 <Ubit> note that os dynamic textures are also only local to regions
2018-03-30 16:53 <techplex> Cool, makes sense
2018-03-30 16:53 <techplex> Thanks Ubit!
2018-03-30 16:53 <Ubit> wc :)
2018-03-30 16:53 <Tampa> Asset delivery through cdn is a bit faster, but it also costs money, so it is a question of whether that is worth it or not, also have to keep in mind that cdn means cache, so it might deliver an older version of an asset since it has not updated its cache yet. Rarely happens, but possible
2018-03-30 16:55 <techplex> @Tampa Aren't textures immutable? (other than the dynamic ones)
2018-03-30 16:56 <nebadon> yea textures cant be updated
2018-03-30 16:56 <nebadon> the UUID will change
2018-03-30 17:12 <osmantis> Bug #8310:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Save dynamic texture on prim inventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8310 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2018-03-30 17:23 <osmantis> Bug #8310:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Save dynamic texture on prim inventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8310 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-30 17:27 <osmantis> Bug #8310:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Save dynamic texture on prim inventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8310 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2018-03-30 17:27 <osmantis> Bug #8310:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Save dynamic texture on prim inventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8310 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2018-03-30 17:57 <Plugh> The birds module is giving me no end of grief. It often can't find its region settings even when they were set in an ini file provided to the region instance.
2018-03-30 18:57 <osmantis> Bug #8286:04 [PATCH] Adds osGetAgentUserLevel() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8286 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2018-03-30 21:10 <osmantis> Bug #8286:04 [PATCH] Adds osGetAgentUserLevel() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8286 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-30 21:15 <osmantis> Bug #8286:04 [PATCH] Adds osGetAgentUserLevel() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8286 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-30 21:26 <nebadon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGOUuXFucEg
2018-03-30 21:43 <Bill_Blight> HAHAHAHA
2018-03-30 21:51 <Plugh> nebadon: That's great. :)
2018-03-30 21:54 <Ubit> gpu abuse.. xii
2018-03-30 21:54 <Ubit> crypto currency is really bad.. xiii even has gpu abuse
2018-03-30 22:01 <osmantis> Bug #8286:04 [PATCH] Adds osGetAgentUserLevel() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8286 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-30 22:01 <Ubit> damm materials.. made code and deleted it all :p
2018-03-30 22:02 <Ubit> grrr
2018-03-30 22:02 <osmantis> Bug #8286:04 [PATCH] Adds osGetAgentUserLevel() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8286 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-30 22:02 <Ubit> they as concept do violate several things
2018-03-30 22:04 <osmantis> Bug #8286:04 [PATCH] Adds osGetAgentUserLevel() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8286 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-30 22:09 <osmantis> Bug #8286:04 [PATCH] Adds osGetAgentUserLevel() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8286 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-30 22:10 <Tampa> Stop being so moody ubit :)
2018-03-30 22:10 <Ubit> :p
2018-03-30 22:10 <Tampa> Grab a beer, I'll pay for it
2018-03-30 22:11 <Ubit> i don't like beer..
2018-03-30 22:11 <Tampa> Fine, Vodka it is
2018-03-30 22:12 <Bill_Blight> I'm thinking Ubit might be more of a Brandy guy ... LOL
2018-03-30 22:13 <Ubit> can it be a whisky or Oporto wine ?
2018-03-30 22:13 <Bill_Blight> Cigars and Brandy go well together
2018-03-30 22:13 <Bill_Blight> or a good cognac
2018-03-30 22:14 <Ubit> see tampa that userlevel thing.. its from viewers.. and specific to sl
2018-03-30 22:15 <Ubit> guess why we never decided a standard def
2018-03-30 22:16 <Tampa> So it's viewer code, but it's also handled and used as described on the wiki, not sure what more a standard you want
2018-03-30 22:16 <Tampa> There is no real need to change this either as this is commonly expected behavior now
2018-03-30 22:17 <Tampa> Most use 250 for grid gods
2018-03-30 22:17 <Ubit> well 200 was defined as admin level ( we do not have gods! we are not a religion cult )
2018-03-30 22:18 <Tampa> semantics, you'll find most people still use that term
2018-03-30 22:18 <Ubit> think i did kinda enforced 250 ? as grid
2018-03-30 22:18 <Ubit> i know and i don't care :p
2018-03-30 22:18 <Ubit> we should rename that
2018-03-30 22:19 <Ubit> ( but yes.. i do say god when im distracted :p )
2018-03-30 22:19 <Ubit> damm materials grrr
2018-03-30 22:20 <Tampa> Derailing the conversation, the whole point of that function is to return the level, no "God" "User" or something, it should just return an integer and done, what people do with the return is up to them. When adding it, add a comment describing the assumed "Roles" for each level and done, we already have similar structures for other commands that "assume" things too.
2018-03-30 22:20 <Tampa> I feel like you are overthinking this a bit
2018-03-30 22:21 <Ubit> well if you get the level, is for some use
2018-03-30 22:22 <Tampa> Yes, but it is unlikely the levels differ for the majority of grids, because most never touch these levels beyond setting themselves to 250 for admin rights
2018-03-30 22:22 <Ubit> and today i do not even want to think about that threatlevel either :)
2018-03-30 22:23 <Ubit> UUID avatarID = (UUID)agent; nahh better not
2018-03-30 22:23 <Tampa> What threatlevel, this is like Low at the most, you can get that stuff from the profiles anyways
2018-03-30 22:23 <Ubit> i prefer uuid.tryparse
2018-03-30 22:24 <Tampa> Fine don't do it today, but I think that function could have a few uses and it really is much less of a headache as you may think, considering what other functions we already have. :)
2018-03-30 22:24 <Ubit> and keys are not strings grrr
2018-03-30 22:24 <Ubit> oops
2018-03-30 22:24 <Tampa> I know, the included patch is... well its a start
2018-03-30 22:25 <Ubit> see you made me think things i did not want to, today :p
2018-03-30 22:26 <Tampa> Go drink your whiskey you grumpy cat :P
2018-03-30 22:26 <Ubit> cats
2018-03-30 22:26 <Ubit> :p
2018-03-30 22:27 <Ubit> hmm should that be restricted by any threat level at all ?
2018-03-30 22:28 <Tampa> The lowest one that is set as default I suppose
2018-03-30 22:28 <Ubit> if(.. isGOd) don't do bad things
2018-03-30 22:28 <Ubit> hmm i don't like that
2018-03-30 22:29 <Ubit> hmm really i do not like the idea of scripts having behavour acording to target userlevel at all
2018-03-30 22:30 <Tampa> Bill and I worked on a function to create scripts via ossl so it could be worse xD
2018-03-30 22:31 <Ubit> do not follow that path
2018-03-30 22:31 <Ubit> if you want special things, make a module
2018-03-30 22:32 <osmantis> Bug #8286:04 [PATCH] Adds osGetAgentUserLevel() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8286 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-30 22:32 <Ubit> sorry
2018-03-30 22:33 <Ubit> if i was't clear, that feature could be used to make a nasty script that would hide its behavour if dectected someone with privs nearby
2018-03-30 22:33 <Ubit> making regions fixes harder
2018-03-30 22:34 <Tampa> How exactly would that work if userlevel 250 can open and view any scripts regardless of owner and permissions
2018-03-30 22:34 <Tampa> Not to mention bypass permissions
2018-03-30 22:34 <Tampa> This would only enable grid admins to "play" with users
2018-03-30 22:34 <Ubit> i said "harder"
2018-03-30 22:35 <Tampa> And if that is the case, well thats what the logout button is for
2018-03-30 22:35 <Ubit> no thats a final resort we should avoid
2018-03-30 22:36 <Ubit> that logout may mean no return to that grid, or opensim at all
2018-03-30 22:36 <Tampa> There are already even basic lsl functions that can break regions fairly easily, breedables, self-replication, that stuff is just as bad. Granted yeah we should not add to that by adding more functions, but you cannot protect people from themselves at the cost of functionality, you see that yourself with you Win10.
2018-03-30 22:37 <Ubit> thats a reason for the threatlevel of course
2018-03-30 22:37 <Ubit> and the fact we do have problems does not mean we should add more
2018-03-30 22:38 <Ubit> well and i said "So, refused for now."
2018-03-30 22:38 <Ubit> i may change my mind, or other dev may think dif
2018-03-30 22:38 <Ubit> and of course, thanks anyways is always implied on this :)
2018-03-30 22:39 <Tampa> Everything has risks associated to it, such is life. I'm just saying, you cannot protect everyone, it's part of being a grid admin and OpenSim user to use it properly and keep a watchful eye on what goes on.
2018-03-30 22:39 <Tampa> Even the self-driving cars run people over so...
2018-03-30 22:39 <Ubit> well mb you had not meet some sl and opensim users i did meet
2018-03-30 22:40 <Ubit> and remember opensim and scripting is not only for region owners
2018-03-30 22:40 <Ubit> scripting should stay within limits...
2018-03-30 22:40 <Tampa> Best to think of it this way "They will abuse this function, how can we make it the most difficult for them"
2018-03-30 22:41 <Ubit> even ideas like making them c# and that way almost as modules was not a good idea
2018-03-30 22:41 <Ubit> if you want special features, make a module
2018-03-30 22:41 <Tampa> That's also not a good idea
2018-03-30 22:42 <Tampa> Endgame to that would be a bunch of modules that don't harmonize together, remember that mantis about currency module from a while ago
2018-03-30 22:42 <Tampa> People will then want to run all modules all the time
2018-03-30 22:42 <Tampa> That's even worse
2018-03-30 22:42 <Ubit> we are far from having a stable api for modules
2018-03-30 22:43 <Ubit> thats major modules problem
2018-03-30 22:43 <Tampa> What I am saying is no matter the route you cannot code around the human condition
2018-03-30 22:44 <Tampa> Resistance is futile, cope and adapt, that's the only way
2018-03-30 22:44 <Ubit> no, but we should take human condition under consideration
2018-03-30 22:44 <Ubit> and no, that is not the way
2018-03-30 22:45 <Ubit> that way, will just make ppl move to something else
2018-03-30 22:45 <Tampa> You cannot outwit the stupidity of humans, neither with logic nor code
2018-03-30 22:45 <Ubit> actually considering that is a major requeriment of any product
2018-03-30 22:45 <Tampa> Not even restrictions will keep people in line, it only makes them more determined to break them
2018-03-30 22:46 <Ubit> i learned that on the very first comercial product code i did submit...
2018-03-30 22:46 <Ubit> QA  started by testing only stupid uses of the code :p
2018-03-30 22:46 <Ubit> and failed in 30seconds lol
2018-03-30 22:47 <Ubit> back to drawing board :)
2018-03-30 22:47 <Tampa> Well QA is in short supply these days as it is
2018-03-30 22:47 <Tampa> With every piece of software
2018-03-30 22:47 <Ubit> well happened to me :)
2018-03-30 22:47 <Ubit> so yes human stupidy is a major design factor :p
2018-03-30 22:48 <Ubit> ( well not considering my own of course ;) )
2018-03-30 22:48 <Tampa> Yeah, but you can only go so far, you cannot account for everything
2018-03-30 22:48 <Tampa> It would drive you mad if you tried
2018-03-30 22:48 <Ubit> sure
2018-03-30 22:48 <Ubit> but you just seen a exercise of that...
2018-03-30 22:49 <Ubit> like " hmm what could i do with thing function... " thats what i just didi
2018-03-30 22:50 <Tampa> Next thought should be how to make that extra difficult to stop abuse
2018-03-30 22:50 <Ubit> threatlevel severe was the answer and i did not liked it
2018-03-30 22:51 <Tampa> Well like I said, if basic lsl had those llRez would then be also severe following that thinking
2018-03-30 22:51 <Ubit> and that is also knada passing the responsability to others
2018-03-30 22:51 <Ubit> like some ini options we do have..
2018-03-30 22:52 <Ubit> and i also do not like doing that
2018-03-30 22:52 <Tampa> Yeah.. so? You want to play daddy for all of OpenSim?
2018-03-30 22:52 <Tampa> That'll surely drive you mad
2018-03-30 22:52 <Ubit> nopes.. just dev
2018-03-30 22:52 <Tampa> I try to educate people about the dangers of certain things, think they listen? of course not
2018-03-30 22:53 <Tampa> The way Kitely sends their market items to hypergrid is incredibly dangerous, using the same http handle you can delete any item out of the asset server
2018-03-30 22:53 <Tampa> When I shut off that function everyone complains they can't get their stuff from Kitely
2018-03-30 22:54 <Tampa> You have to allow for certain risks to gain features sometimes, as annoying as that is
2018-03-30 22:54 <Ubit> we need work on those things yes
2018-03-30 22:54 <Ubit> removing some options included :p
2018-03-30 22:54 <Tampa> I just turned delete off completely so thats that
2018-03-30 22:55 <Tampa> That's if you will a throttle, you like those a lot I hear :)
2018-03-30 22:55 <Ubit> they are a needed bad
2018-03-30 22:57 <Ubit> and well forgot all i was thinging about materials :)
2018-03-30 22:57 <Tampa> I'll let you get back to that :P
2018-03-30 22:58 <Ubit> well not how they should be.. but how to get there fitting in current assets and viewers
2018-03-30 22:58 <Ubit> to start with i do not like them as sl made them
2018-03-30 22:58 <Ubit> the idea of using a hash of 128bits as uniqueness check is wrong
2018-03-30 23:00 <Ubit> even considering they are only 640bits
2018-03-30 23:01 <Ubit> hmm actually 160bits. hmm
2018-03-30 23:01 <Tampa> Is the current implementation the reason materials sometimes are very slow to apply?
2018-03-30 23:01 <Ubit> bahh nopes 640
2018-03-30 23:02 <Ubit> nopes that is protocol
2018-03-30 23:02 <Ubit> takes a few messages 
2018-03-30 23:02 <Ubit> hm and a error prone protocol also
2018-03-30 23:03 <Tampa> Ah okay, cause that's what drove me mad about them the most, re-applying materials or changing their size has always been somewhat slow and unreliable as is
2018-03-30 23:03 <Ubit> they where affected by the textures not sticking issue
2018-03-30 23:04 <Ubit> ..also
2018-03-30 23:04 <Ubit> but yeack so ugly
2018-03-30 23:04 <Ubit> and damm fs does retry https on this also
2018-03-30 23:04 <Ubit> if something takes a bit longer.. poing.. a new http with same thing
2018-03-30 23:04 <Tampa> Textures actually have not been that difficult for me
2018-03-30 23:04 <Ubit> so so stupid
2018-03-30 23:05 <Ubit> not sure why ll did accept this, this way
2018-03-30 23:05 <Ubit> they also violate interest lists idea
2018-03-30 23:06 <Ubit> since viewers ask for ALL materials on a region at arrival
2018-03-30 23:06 <Ubit> that is nonsens
2018-03-30 23:06 <Tampa> Because when many devs work on one codebase sometimes shit happens, like 20 cooks trying to make soup
2018-03-30 23:07 <Ubit> bahh and this code starts to ask for assets before the region login on a grid
2018-03-30 23:08 <Ubit> so damm broken
2018-03-30 23:09 <Ubit> kinda your idea... it works :p
2018-03-31 00:31 <Tampa> lsl is really weird, llSameGroup has basically the same use as llDetectedGroup apart from some edge cases
2018-03-31 01:51 <osmantis> Bug #8286:04 [PATCH] Adds osGetAgentUserLevel() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8286 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-03-31 02:35 <osmantis> Bug #8286:04 [PATCH] Adds osGetAgentUserLevel() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8286 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2018-03-31 12:23 <Melanie_T> Tampa: llDetectedGroup uses a detection index, while llSameGroup uses a key. llDetectedGroup is a shorthand function that could be emulated using llSameGroup.
2018-03-31 12:24 <Melanie_T> however, while llDetectedGroup only works of the avatar queried is nearby, the intent is to be able to use llSameGroup with an avatar that is further away
2018-03-31 12:24 <Melanie_T> depending on the groups module used, the avatar may have to be in sim or can be anywhere, even offline, for llSameGroup
2018-03-31 12:36 <Tampa> I guess that is useful in some ways, just cannot really think of one at the moment. :)
2018-03-31 12:37 <Tampa> Also kinda assumed it might just be one of those redundant things again, not the first function of that kinda cough PrimitiveParamsFast cough cough
2018-03-31 12:38 <Tampa> I should check whether SameGroup works without avatars present though, that might be a good thing to know depending on how SL functions.
2018-03-31 12:38 <Tampa> Thanks for the info!
2018-03-31 15:00 <Ubit> as mel they are totally diferent things
2018-03-31 15:01 <Ubit> llDetectedGroup is part of the detection sistem only.. ie sensors, touch etc
2018-03-31 15:01 <Ubit> will not work outside those
2018-03-31 15:03 <Ubit> and neither will tell you the target group
2018-03-31 15:07 <Tampa> Be neat if it didn't just check the active group, but all groups of the target
2018-03-31 15:07 <Ubit> well not as spec
2018-03-31 15:08 <Tampa> osSameGroup
2018-03-31 15:09 <Ubit> did i said i hate this materials? lol
2018-03-31 15:09 <Ubit> keep meaking code and deleting :)
2018-03-31 15:10 <Ubit> well some is staying.. so not total loss
2018-03-31 15:11 <Ubit> bahh getting assets before login into grid  dahhh dahhh dhahh
2018-03-31 15:12 <Ubit> well that login must change a bit someday
2018-03-31 15:12 <Tampa> I agree with that, assets and inventory on-login are the reason logins can take minutes
2018-03-31 15:12 <Tampa> Especially large inventory on hdd takes long
2018-03-31 15:12 <Ubit> no sense giving assets to a region that may fail to login
2018-03-31 15:13 <Ubit> this only happens with this new materials since they where made assets
2018-03-31 15:13 <Ubit> just another side effect of that
2018-03-31 15:14 <Ubit> and i do see it bc i keep starting the debug region before starting robust :p
2018-03-31 15:14 <Ubit> ( i need to kill robust to compile same code )
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2018-03-31 17:39 <Melanie_T> also assets should really only be retrievable with a login security token
2018-03-31 17:39 <Melanie_T> but that has always been a huge loophole
2018-03-31 17:40 <Ubit> yeap that is wrong as is
2018-03-31 17:40 <Ubit> but its other issue to fix later
2018-03-31 17:40 <Ubit> thing regions state on grid should have more "states"
2018-03-31 17:40 <Ubit> think
2018-03-31 17:41 <Ubit> ie login sets it as "loading"
2018-03-31 17:41 <Ubit> later "ready"
2018-03-31 17:41 <Ubit> possible also "idle", "offline" etc
2018-03-31 17:42 <nebadon> Melanie_T did you by chance see the mantis i filed other day about mono 5.x on Mac OSX?
2018-03-31 17:42 <Ubit> yeap i did fail looking that :)
2018-03-31 17:42 <nebadon> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8308
2018-03-31 17:42 <Ubit> have no mac and bother neb for each little test does not work
2018-03-31 17:42 <nebadon> just wondering if you had any thoughts
2018-03-31 17:43 <Melanie_T> it's not a mono issue
2018-03-31 17:43 <Ubit> btw that is on master ?
2018-03-31 17:43 <Melanie_T> opensim loads openjpeg
2018-03-31 17:43 <nebadon> well it works ok on mono 4.x
2018-03-31 17:43 <nebadon> but upgrade to any version of 5.x and it fails
2018-03-31 17:43 <Melanie_T> openjpeg is a native dll with a managed wrapper
2018-03-31 17:43 <Melanie_T> we don't build this wrapper for mac
2018-03-31 17:43 <Ubit> ( and on linux mono5)
2018-03-31 17:44 <Ubit> err that one cames from libomv
2018-03-31 17:44 <Melanie_T> maybe at some point someone built the wrapper and native
2018-03-31 17:44 <Melanie_T> that will need to be rebuilt using modern mono
2018-03-31 17:44 <Melanie_T> maybe it's .net 1.x code which mono 5 removed
2018-03-31 17:45 <Ubit> hmm neb can you test httptests ?
2018-03-31 17:45 <Ubit> that does have recomp libs
2018-03-31 17:45 <Tampa> Ubit, you test linux and windows right?
2018-03-31 17:45 <Ubit> yes
2018-03-31 17:46 <nebadon> oh test it on mac you mean?
2018-03-31 17:46 <nebadon> sure
2018-03-31 17:46 <Ubit> yeap
2018-03-31 17:46 <nebadon> let me turn it on
2018-03-31 17:46 <Tampa> If I were to get say a mac mini for you, would that help testing on mac also?
2018-03-31 17:46 <Ubit> mel seems on mac a config file is being ignored
2018-03-31 17:47 <nebadon> its compiling
2018-03-31 17:47 <nebadon> always good to have more testers Tampa
2018-03-31 17:48 <Ubit> --> OpenMetaverse.dll.config this one
2018-03-31 17:48 <nebadon> yea its wierd mac is trying to load the dll i thought
2018-03-31 17:48 <nebadon> i cant really say I fully understand that load process though either
2018-03-31 17:49 <Tampa> I could hook it up to the network give you guys access to it or mail it to Ubit heh, there are a few on ebay for less than 100 bucks :)
2018-03-31 17:49 <Ubit> with a debug option we seem mono looking for all odd names, ignoring that config
2018-03-31 17:49 <Ubit> well neb did :)
2018-03-31 17:49 <nebadon> Tampa probably want to make sure its something that can run newer OSX
2018-03-31 17:49 <nebadon> a lot of the really cheap ones cant
2018-03-31 17:50 <nebadon> thats why they are cheap
2018-03-31 17:50 <Melanie_T> i'm on mac as well
2018-03-31 17:50 <Ubit> like openjpeg.dll, openjpeg.dll.so blablabla
2018-03-31 17:50 <Melanie_T> currently at el cap because i can't afford a day of downtime to update
2018-03-31 17:50 <Melanie_T> but i don't have a lot of time atm
2018-03-31 17:51 <nebadon> im on High Sierra
2018-03-31 17:51 <Melanie_T> actually, i just checked, i did move to sierra
2018-03-31 17:51 <nebadon> still failing on httptests Ubit
2018-03-31 17:52 <Ubit> uff
2018-03-31 17:52 <Tampa> Oct 2014 too old?
2018-03-31 17:52 <nebadon> might be ok
2018-03-31 17:53 <nebadon> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201475
2018-03-31 17:54 <nebadon> anything 2010+ should be fine
2018-03-31 17:54 <nebadon> my macbook is December 2016 model
2018-03-31 18:06 <Tampa> http://r.ebay.com/LWH4Hm only dvd not working apparently
2018-03-31 18:08 <nebadon> not bad, cpu a bit old and I doubt you need the cd rom
2018-03-31 18:08 <nebadon> my macbook doesnt have one
2018-03-31 18:10 <Tampa> Going to bid for it see if I can get it for less than 100 bucks, if so I'll hook it up on the network for you guys, cause I have no idea how to use osx xD
2018-03-31 18:10 <nebadon> yea I am new to mac as well, its a bit too simple for my taste
2018-03-31 18:10 <nebadon> im not even sure how you remote into a mac, im sure you can SSH
2018-03-31 18:11 <nebadon> what I don't like about mac is how tied to the app store it is
2018-03-31 18:11 <nebadon> and even simple apps seem over priced
2018-03-31 18:12 <Tampa> All just Unix underneath lol
2018-03-31 18:13 <nebadon> underneath a gigant layer of DRM
2018-03-31 18:13 <nebadon> haha
2018-03-31 18:14 <Tampa> The Apple experience, TM
2018-03-31 18:34 <Bill_Blight> Apple interface by FisherPrice ... ;)
2018-03-31 19:27 <Plugh> hehe
2018-03-31 20:03 <Melanie_T> well, to escape the apple prison, first reboot holding ctrl-R
2018-03-31 20:03 <Melanie_T> google how to turn off "rootless" from the terminal you can access in rescue mode
2018-03-31 20:03 <Melanie_T> reboot into normal mode, open a terminal and type sudo su -
2018-03-31 20:03 <Melanie_T> enter your password, then set a real password for root
2018-03-31 20:04 <Melanie_T> open system preferences, go to sharing and select remote login
2018-03-31 20:04 <Melanie_T> that means ssh
2018-03-31 20:04 <Melanie_T> now you can ssh in as both root and whatever your short user name is
2018-03-31 20:05 <Melanie_T> install iterm2 from the app store, it may not be free by now but it's worth it as it is gnome terminal, basically, for mac
2018-03-31 20:05 <Melanie_T> install homebrew from the internet. you can ctrl-click a file not from the app store or a registered developer to open it anyway
2018-03-31 20:06 <Melanie_T> homebrew will give you all the linux utils you love
2018-03-31 20:06 <Melanie_T> install xcode (free from apple) to get the compiler and basic libs
2018-03-31 20:06 <Melanie_T> at that point your command line will be very very close to linux
2018-03-31 20:07 <Melanie_T> while still having an intact DRM chain to watch prime video ir netflix
2018-03-31 20:07 <Melanie_T> and being able to run apps both paid for and free 
2018-03-31 20:09 <Melanie_T> brew install <package> will install all sorts of free opensource stuff
2018-03-31 20:09 <Melanie_T> some moves, so needs to be compiled (gentoo, anyone?) but most have binaries
2018-03-31 20:17 <Tampa> That's a ton of steps, damn
2018-03-31 20:17 <Tampa> Didn't know it was this bad to gain control, that's worse than Win10 even
2018-03-31 20:18 <Tampa> Okay well that is not surprising, Win10 is on the way to become just as bad lol
2018-03-31 21:10 <Ubit> simpler to just get a linux box :p
2018-03-31 21:11 <Ubit> and yeap.. pay to use only from cloud is a companies paradise
2018-03-31 21:12 <nebadon> https://www.macstadium.com/
2018-03-31 21:13 <nebadon> damn its expensive heh
2018-03-31 21:13 <Ubit> back to 1960's and 70's ideas of servers and terminals
2018-03-31 21:13 <nebadon> definitely cheaper to buy one
2018-03-31 21:13 <Ubit> well worse than those possible
2018-03-31 21:16 <Tampa> I'd give up a toe over using mac daily
2018-03-31 21:27 <Melanie_T> windows is a barn with holes inthe roof, no doors and sharp things hanging from the ceiling waiting for the next quake
2018-03-31 21:27 <Melanie_T> linux is really pleasant and sunny, unless you want to use paid-for software because there isn't much
2018-03-31 21:27 <Ubit> you can say that about most every os
2018-03-31 21:28 <Ubit> or anything mostly
2018-03-31 21:28 <Melanie_T> mac gives me a unixish system and still lets me use paid for software
2018-03-31 21:28 <Melanie_T> since there isn't a workable open source solution for everything
2018-03-31 21:28 <Ubit> well some linux distros are just absurd on free soft religion
2018-03-31 21:28 <nebadon> you can run linux in Windows 10 now
2018-03-31 21:28 <Melanie_T> yup
2018-03-31 21:28 <nebadon> just about any flavor
2018-03-31 21:29 <Melanie_T> but even those ones that aren't simply don't get the attention from nonfree software makers
2018-03-31 21:29 <Melanie_T> nebadon: you still have the missing doors and holes inthe roof
2018-03-31 21:29 <Melanie_T> i do software development for windows
2018-03-31 21:29 <Ubit> damm reading this did let fs timeout bc region was stoped on a break point
2018-03-31 21:29 <nebadon> yea I suppose, I use all of them
2018-03-31 21:29 <Ubit> yeack this materials...
2018-03-31 21:30 <Melanie_T> but i would never allow windows to communicate with the outside world
2018-03-31 21:30 <Melanie_T> no messenger, no email
2018-03-31 21:30 <Melanie_T> no web
2018-03-31 21:30 <nebadon> hehe
2018-03-31 21:30 <Melanie_T> in fact, no internet connectivity in or our
2018-03-31 21:30 <Melanie_T> out*
2018-03-31 21:30 <Tampa> You think Apple isn't using and selling your data? They all snoop
2018-03-31 21:30 <Melanie_T> i develop in VS, compile onwindows
2018-03-31 21:31 <Tampa> Linux maybe less, but even it asks you if you want to send usage data back
2018-03-31 21:31 <Melanie_T> then copy from isolated VM to host
2018-03-31 21:31 <Melanie_T> then deploy from host
2018-03-31 21:31 <Melanie_T> windows never sees the internet
2018-03-31 21:31 <Melanie_T> only way to be certain you don't get malware
2018-03-31 21:31 <Melanie_T> Tampa: i deliver software that is used by multibillion dollar companies
2018-03-31 21:32 <Melanie_T> the build box just MUST NOT have viruses
2018-03-31 21:32 <Ubit> well some ms soft does want to see internet
2018-03-31 21:33 <Ubit> guess that will be worse in time
2018-03-31 21:33 <nebadon> I would argue its maybe more unsafe to never connect windows to the internet
2018-03-31 21:33 <Melanie_T> i've been supplied with standalone licenses for those things
2018-03-31 21:33 <nebadon> as you would not be getting critical updates
2018-03-31 21:33 <Tampa> Windows is not a malware magnet, badly used operating systems are no matter the kind
2018-03-31 21:33 <Melanie_T> nebadon: there is no such thing if there isn't internet connectivity
2018-03-31 21:34 <Melanie_T> Tampa: windows is 90% of users and the 90% get attacked
2018-03-31 21:34 <Melanie_T> there are 100 x more viruses for windows than there are for other systems
2018-03-31 21:34 <nebadon> perhaps I guess as longas your installing all the VS updates etc.. .net fixes
2018-03-31 21:35 <nebadon> id also argue 99.9% of viruses require you to install the virus yourself
2018-03-31 21:35 <Melanie_T> nebadon: there are two kinds of fixes
2018-03-31 21:35 <Melanie_T> fixed redistributables, which affect deployment
2018-03-31 21:35 <Tampa> I haven't encountered any malware lately, only on machines that had firewalls and uac disabled, because people still do that to get OpenSim to work lol
2018-03-31 21:35 <Melanie_T> and fixed local dlls, which do not
2018-03-31 21:35 <nebadon> yea
2018-03-31 21:36 <nebadon> I am not trying to convince you to use Windows by any means
2018-03-31 21:36 <Melanie_T> local dlls are irrelevant in an environment free of unapproved software
2018-03-31 21:36 <Tampa> Windows just has more malware and viruses disguised as anti-malware and virus-scanners lol
2018-03-31 21:36 <nebadon> but mac is fairly vulnerable as well
2018-03-31 21:36 <Melanie_T> redistributables are critical and are checked
2018-03-31 21:36 <Tampa> Cough Norton cough
2018-03-31 21:36 <nebadon> its not impervious to virus on any level
2018-03-31 21:37 <Melanie_T> there are way fewer threats for mac than for windows simply because of the lesser number of hsots one can attack
2018-03-31 21:37 <Melanie_T> of course i also run antivirus on my mac
2018-03-31 21:37 <nebadon> yea I am as well
2018-03-31 21:37 <Melanie_T> and practice safe browsing/downloading
2018-03-31 21:37 <nebadon> yea thats the best way to be safe realistically
2018-03-31 21:38 <nebadon> more likely to get hurt just visiting a website these days
2018-03-31 21:38 <nebadon> even linux is vulnerable there
2018-03-31 21:38 <Tampa> Windows gets infected, linux/mac gets hacked/hijacked
2018-03-31 21:39 <Melanie_T> Tampa: i have perimeter security
2018-03-31 21:39 <Melanie_T> stateful IP level firewalling
2018-03-31 21:39 <nebadon> yea the biggest threat to computers is PEBKAC
2018-03-31 21:40 <nebadon> even a network isolated windows machine is vulnerable
2018-03-31 21:40 <nebadon> look at STUXNET
2018-03-31 21:40 <Melanie_T> Tampa: to attack me, you have to cross several perimeters that run different OSes
2018-03-31 21:40 <nebadon> i saw a study recently like 85% of people are likely to use a USB stick they found in company parking lot
2018-03-31 21:40 <nebadon> its like #1 way networks get penetrated
2018-03-31 21:40 <nebadon> its how they destroyed the Iranian centerfuges
2018-03-31 21:41 <Melanie_T> i'd use it alright
2018-03-31 21:41 <Melanie_T> i'd plug it into a fresh raspi
2018-03-31 21:41 <nebadon> haha
2018-03-31 21:41 <nebadon> well its not impossible to embed malware directly to the hardware as well
2018-03-31 21:41 <nebadon> so even if it looks safe, it may not be
2018-03-31 21:42 <Melanie_T> i'd never use the original
2018-03-31 21:42 <nebadon> even hardware you purchase may not be safe
2018-03-31 21:42 <Melanie_T> i'd use the raspi to look at it
2018-03-31 21:42 <Melanie_T> if there is something of interest i copy it off
2018-03-31 21:42 <nebadon> Hard drives can be interecepted in shipping and have roms reflashed
2018-03-31 21:42 <nebadon> undetectable stuff
2018-03-31 21:42 <Melanie_T> the original stick gets circular-filed
2018-03-31 21:42 <nebadon> hehe ya
2018-03-31 21:43 <Melanie_T> i'm not a security specialist
2018-03-31 21:43 <Melanie_T> i'm a hacker
2018-03-31 21:43 <Melanie_T> so in a way i am a security specialist
2018-03-31 21:43 <nebadon> yea best you can really do is mitigate and reduce chances but nothings truly "safe"
2018-03-31 21:44 <nebadon> ive seen hacks where they can get encryption keys by listening to cpu frequencies with a microphone near computer
2018-03-31 21:44 <nebadon> insane stuff you could never imagine
2018-03-31 21:44 <Melanie_T> that is called a sideband attack
2018-03-31 21:45 <Melanie_T> i know how to do those
2018-03-31 21:45 <Melanie_T> also monitoring current consumption
2018-03-31 21:45 <Melanie_T> and heat
2018-03-31 21:46 <Melanie_T> micromodulation on unrelated pins
2018-03-31 21:46 <Melanie_T> and timings
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2018-04-01 01:06 <Ubit> oops 2 errors
2018-04-01 01:13 <Ubit> damm i see the file on the commit, not on disk after pull
2018-04-01 01:20 <Ubit> ohh
2018-04-01 01:21 <Ubit> win trap lol
2018-04-01 01:54 <osmantis> Bug #8282:04 Settings PRIM_NORMAL, PRIM_SPECULAR, PRIM_ALPHA_MODE, not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8282 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-04-01 01:57 <Ubit> (httptests does compile again by the way.. )
2018-04-01 01:58 <Ubit> well after 2 crash of my crap laptop :)
2018-04-01 01:59 <Bill_Blight> so that makes it a Craptop?
2018-04-01 01:59 <Ubit> guess so :)
2018-04-01 02:03 <Ubit> well my cat was taking a bath on top of it.. that did not helped either
2018-04-01 02:05 <Ubit> no thing is.. do materials still work as they did..  :)
2018-04-01 02:05 <Ubit> now...
2018-04-01 02:10 <Bill_Blight> I'll find out soon  ... LOL
2018-04-03 22:03 <Ubit> ffloat ?? grrr
2018-04-03 22:15 <SignpostMarv> 
ACTION wishes monodevelop build instructions would be clearer ¬_¬

2018-04-03 22:19 <Tampa> SignpostMarv, you could, if you felt inclined to, work on some modules that need updates, there are a few
2018-04-03 22:20 <osmantis> Bug #8311:04 llAcos and llAsin return NaN for values very close to 1.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8311 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-04-03 22:20 <Melanie_> monodevelop is dead
2018-04-03 22:20 <Ubit> errr (a-b( ???  grrrr
2018-04-03 22:20 <Melanie_> it's been subsumed by visual studio
2018-04-03 22:21 <Tampa> Warp3d, displaynames, postgres
2018-04-03 22:21 <Melanie_> and there isn't a full linux version of VS
2018-04-03 22:21 <Melanie_> Tampa: display names are not wanted
2018-04-03 22:21 <Ubit> guess something ms will not port :)
2018-04-03 22:22 <Ubit> but who knows ms this days :)
2018-04-03 22:22 <Melanie_> VS under windows is fantabulous
2018-04-03 22:22 <SignpostMarv> Melanie_: dead dead or just dead for windows purposes dead ?
2018-04-03 22:22 <Melanie_> under mac, it's low-suck
2018-04-03 22:22 <Ubit> LOL no more coding uing vi mel???
2018-04-03 22:22 <Melanie_> dead
2018-04-03 22:22 <Melanie_> as in no more development
2018-04-03 22:22 <SignpostMarv> also, p.s. built-in code coverage under VS is only in VS Enterprise
2018-04-03 22:22 <Melanie_> monodevelop is abandonware sine MS bought xamarin
2018-04-03 22:23 <Melanie_> Ubit: i code in vi when it's the best way to do it
2018-04-03 22:23 <Tampa> neither are experiences and pathfinding, but that doesn't stop anyone from working on it
2018-04-03 22:23 <Melanie_> but coding VR serious gaming stuff for windows means VS
2018-04-03 22:23 <Ubit> well for someone that does know vi like you its damm fast
2018-04-03 22:23 <SignpostMarv> Melanie_: I still owe you beers, iirc
2018-04-03 22:23 <Ubit> ( and someone that does not do typos as i do grrr )
2018-04-03 22:24 <Melanie_> well, whisky is more my speed
2018-04-03 22:24 <Melanie_> but yes
2018-04-03 22:24 <Melanie_> drinks, shall we call it
2018-04-03 22:24 <Melanie_> Tampa: experiences and pathfinding are wanted
2018-04-03 22:24 <SignpostMarv> coincidentally my current employer also manages pubs
2018-04-03 22:24 <Melanie_> displaynames are not
2018-04-03 22:24 <Tampa> meantime there is still plenty to improve anyways seeing as I believe lsl coverage is still not at 100%
2018-04-03 22:24 <Melanie_> displaynames are divisive and the effects we saw in SL are ugly
2018-04-03 22:25 <SignpostMarv> and our designer is "bessie mates" with someone that owns a brewery
2018-04-03 22:25 <Melanie_> you can't type people's names anymore
2018-04-03 22:25 <Melanie_> display names are used mostly to prevent people from filing ARs
2018-04-03 22:25 <Melanie_> because they can't select the names of the avatars to report
2018-04-03 22:25 <SignpostMarv> 
ACTION still giggles at his SL display name- "Error: Invalid String"

2018-04-03 22:25 <Melanie_> lol SignpostMarv 
2018-04-03 22:25 <Ubit> :)
2018-04-03 22:26 <Tampa> well what people do with it, abuse or use, is up to them, can't be everywhere preventing people from harming themselves
2018-04-03 22:26 <SignpostMarv> do the viewers support unicode in display names yet?
2018-04-03 22:26 <Tampa> natural selection so to speak
2018-04-03 22:26 <SignpostMarv> or to put it another way, emoji ?
2018-04-03 22:26 <Melanie_> so displaynames, last time the core discussed them, were onthe not wanted list
2018-04-03 22:26 <Tampa> not saying they should be
2018-04-03 22:26 <Ubit> yeap i do not want them either
2018-04-03 22:26 <SignpostMarv> 
ACTION imagines the kinds of places that'd appreciate egg plant emojis in name tags still exist in SL

2018-04-03 22:27 <Tampa> should be on the "whatever we dont care" list
2018-04-03 22:27 <Ubit> we are not going back to that tampa :p
2018-04-03 22:27 <Melanie_> Tampa: if you can't AR someone posting child porn because you don't know the keystrokes needed to search for the avatar name in the AR floater, that is when display names get ugly, fast
2018-04-03 22:28 <Tampa> That's an implementation issue
2018-04-03 22:28 <Melanie_> sadly, that is viewerside
2018-04-03 22:28 <Melanie_> unless and until viewers have a solution that doesn't require the avatar in question to be present, display names are not wanted in OS
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2018-04-03 22:29 <Tampa> Everything comes back to being viewerside lately because we don't have a dedicated one which would make quite a lot of things easier
2018-04-03 22:29 <SignpostMarv> Melanie_: I take it you're referring to the situation of BadActor.Resident logging in with a display name of MelanieT, spawning a bunch of flexiprim dongs & leaving before they can be right-clicked, with manual reports leading to sightings of MelanieT not BadActor.Resident ?
2018-04-03 22:29 <Melanie_> unfortunately, although the firestorm team have repeatedly complained about us being uncooperative
2018-04-03 22:29 <Melanie_> they themselves are uncooperative
2018-04-03 22:29 <Ubit> lol
2018-04-03 22:30 <Melanie_> they can't be bothered to update thegrid list
2018-04-03 22:30 <Ubit> don't talk about fs team
2018-04-03 22:30 <Ubit> grrr
2018-04-03 22:30 <Melanie_> and sorry, if they can't even speedily update the grid list when there are glaring erros in it
2018-04-03 22:30 <Melanie_> they can't be worked with
2018-04-03 22:30 <Tampa> Working with programmers or in this case script-kiddies is notoriously difficult
2018-04-03 22:30 <Melanie_> they flat refused to add avination
2018-04-03 22:30 <Ubit> https://jira.phoenixviewer.com/browse/FIRE-19738 for example is just a joke
2018-04-03 22:30 <Melanie_> then added it with a wrong login URI
2018-04-03 22:30 <Melanie_> and refuse to update it
2018-04-03 22:31 <Melanie_> they also refused to add yrgrid
2018-04-03 22:31 <Ubit> they failed to see that is was SL issue also, just bc it was reported by me
2018-04-03 22:31 <SignpostMarv> Melanie_: how is the grid list currently defined in viewer source ?
2018-04-03 22:31 <Melanie_> commercial grids are an integral part of the OS ecosystem
2018-04-03 22:31 <Melanie_> refusing to add them because they are commercial is wrong
2018-04-03 22:31 <Melanie_> and makes me not want to work with them
2018-04-03 22:31 <Ubit> well sl is not comercial ?
2018-04-03 22:31 <Melanie_> firestorm ships with a grid list
2018-04-03 22:31 <Ubit> :)
2018-04-03 22:32 <Melanie_> they control it and only they
2018-04-03 22:32 <Melanie_> there isn't an easy-to-use grid manager like hippogridmanager
2018-04-03 22:32 <Melanie_> effectively, they control which grids are easy to log into
2018-04-03 22:32 <Melanie_> and they prefer to list only free grids
2018-04-03 22:32 <Melanie_> not commercial ones
2018-04-03 22:32 <SignpostMarv> Melanie_: I mean is there not a common git submodule that viewer projects can "subscribe" to ?
2018-04-03 22:32 <Melanie_> it's per viewer
2018-04-03 22:33 <Melanie_> controlled by that viewer's team
2018-04-03 22:33 <Tampa> Here is an idea, make a small installer that installs an updated grid list from the web over the existing one, pretty sure thats just an xml file
2018-04-03 22:33 <SignpostMarv> yar, but submodule would place source file into build tree etc. wotsits 
2018-04-03 22:33 <Melanie_> Tampa: still an extra step many won't do
2018-04-03 22:33 <SignpostMarv> Tampa: web-sourced grid list is a security issue
2018-04-03 22:33 <SignpostMarv> grid list is basically a list of places to send your password 
2018-04-03 22:33 <SignpostMarv> if the update mechanism isn't secure, you have a wordpress update server problem
2018-04-03 22:34 <Tampa> Hows it any different from downloading the file from github
2018-04-03 22:34 <Melanie_> unless and until firestorm ships with the hippogrid editor and/or includes commercial grids in a speedy fashion. FS is dead to me
2018-04-03 22:34 <SignpostMarv> i.e. if the update source gets pwned, thar goes 27% of the internets
2018-04-03 22:34 <SignpostMarv> whereas a static list that's built into the viewer (but sourced from a trusted third-party, i.e. a git submodule) would only ever be updated when your viewer updates
2018-04-03 22:35 <Melanie_> for FS, it seems to be a power play
2018-04-03 22:35 <Melanie_> exclude commercial
2018-04-03 22:35 <Melanie_> promote free
2018-04-03 22:35 <Melanie_> to the detriment of the metaverse
2018-04-03 22:36 <Melanie_> because that means they lose the funding commercial grids might supply
2018-04-03 22:36 <Melanie_> so development stalls
2018-04-03 22:36 <Melanie_> slavishly following SL is also a minus
2018-04-03 22:36 <Tampa> You are reading too much into it I feel
2018-04-03 22:36 <Melanie_> i believe we need to drop the LL protocol
2018-04-03 22:36 <Ubit> fs is SL basicly
2018-04-03 22:36 <Tampa> There is more laziness in there than you think
2018-04-03 22:36 <Ubit> fs opensim means only on grid 
2018-04-03 22:36 <Ubit> ..one..
2018-04-03 22:37 <Melanie_> i believe a new protocol that, among other things, natively supports hypergridding and multiple inventories, etc, is needed
2018-04-03 22:37 <SignpostMarv> Melanie_: I thought the philosophy was to hypothetically support multiple protocols ?
2018-04-03 22:37 <Ubit> they do ocasional fixes for that grid ( on 0.8.2 )
2018-04-03 22:37 <BillBlight> haha @ "that grid"
2018-04-03 22:37 <Melanie_> yes but IClientAPI has become an unreimplementable monster
2018-04-03 22:38 <Melanie_> IClientCore never took off
2018-04-03 22:38 <Melanie_> all implementations done with protocols other than LL, like the ones done by dahlia, were done as straight up region modules
2018-04-03 22:38 <Ubit> many things will not take off unless there is a a use case :(
2018-04-03 22:38 <Melanie_> not client interfaces
2018-04-03 22:39 <Ubit> like cleaning up ll specifics from framwork
2018-04-03 22:39 <Melanie_> my own unreal based one was slated to use a region module rather than IClientAPI
2018-04-03 22:39 <Melanie_> sadly, funding ran out
2018-04-03 22:39 <SignpostMarv> Melanie_: are we talking daft stuff like IMAP for inventory management, or serious stuff like "oh hey, log into opensim with some unrelated VW client and see the same shit" ?
2018-04-03 22:40 <Melanie_> SignpostMarv: we started developing an unreal engine based client, funded by a US investor
2018-04-03 22:40 <Melanie_> ubit was part of that effort
2018-04-03 22:40 <Melanie_> funding ran out because of circumstances unforeseen
2018-04-03 22:41 <SignpostMarv> unreal-based as-in shove libomv into an unreal engine project, or region module for something more native to how unreal engine works ?
2018-04-03 22:41 <Melanie_> at the time we had to stop, we were able to render a singe simulator at a quality better than the SL viewer
2018-04-03 22:41 <Melanie_> especially lighting
2018-04-03 22:41 <Melanie_> libomv wasn't going to be any part of it
2018-04-03 22:42 <Ubit> don't think we did use it anywhere
2018-04-03 22:43 <Melanie_> the extreme SL specificity of the protocol block all real advances
2018-04-03 22:43 <Melanie_> so we were breaking away from it
2018-04-03 22:43 <Ubit> well to start it was c++ not c# :p
2018-04-03 22:43 <Melanie_> i'm currently working on a non-opensim VR project also using different protocols
2018-04-03 22:43 <Melanie_> LL's protocol is over a decade old
2018-04-03 22:43 <Melanie_> and needs to be put out to pasture
2018-04-03 22:43 <Melanie_> or shot
2018-04-03 22:45 <SignpostMarv> ALPN for supported viewers ?
2018-04-03 22:46 <Melanie_> ALPN?
2018-04-03 22:46 <SignpostMarv> that wotsit that upgrades HTTP/1.1 to h2
2018-04-03 22:46 <Ubit> ppl like to complicate :)
2018-04-03 22:47 <Melanie_> h2 is stillborn
2018-04-03 22:47 <Melanie_> no one wants to fuck with mandatory encryption
2018-04-03 22:48 <Melanie_> in OS, it'll never get traction
2018-04-03 22:48 <SignpostMarv> https://image.slidesharecdn.com/spdy-http2-quic-bpstudy2013-08-28-130828052638-phpapp01/95/spdy-http20-quic-bpstudy-20130828-31-638.jpg?cb=1377667681
2018-04-03 22:48 <Melanie_> OS ppl dont' want to fuck with TLS
2018-04-03 22:48 <SignpostMarv> encryption isn't mandatory for h2 (i.e. it's de-facto, not de-jure ?)
2018-04-03 22:48 <Melanie_> OS doesn't need it
2018-04-03 22:49 <Ubit> in os encryptation must be selective
2018-04-03 22:49 <Melanie_> nothing but the passwords is secret
2018-04-03 22:49 <Melanie_> h2 is defined as not allowing a lot of features without TLS
2018-04-03 22:49 <Ubit> on httptests regions can run with ssl.. well kindaoff
2018-04-03 22:49 <Melanie_> people as a whole don't want it
2018-04-03 22:49 <Ubit> but yeackkk
2018-04-03 22:49 <Melanie_> they want http, not the hassle of https
2018-04-03 22:49 <SignpostMarv> I'm referring more to the general handshakeyness of "here's a standard way for for a client program to tell a server I support these protocols, gimme a connection with one of them"
2018-04-03 22:50 <Melanie_> not intended as of now
2018-04-03 22:50 <Melanie_> as opensim currently supports one protocol only
2018-04-03 22:50 <Melanie_> stop talking 2017 concepts on 2006 software
2018-04-03 22:51 <Ubit> well that would just be a waste of resources :)
2018-04-03 22:51 <SignpostMarv> acme protocol hypothetically meaning https isn't a hassle ?
2018-04-03 22:52 <Ubit> opensim was kinda planed to suport several protocols
2018-04-03 22:52 <Ubit> but ll got into everything
2018-04-03 22:53 <Ubit> bc, well the only thing avaiable..
2018-04-03 22:53 <Ubit> well ll is multiprotocol already.. considering lludp and the http mess
2018-04-03 22:54 <Ubit> the number of serialize formats.. grrr
2018-04-03 22:54 <SignpostMarv> ah, it took a while to complete but I've found a free coverage tool for VS2017 :D
2018-04-03 22:55 <Ubit> LLSD in forms xml, binary, notation..  plus lludp that is diferent, plus..  yeackk
2018-04-03 22:55 <SignpostMarv> AxoCover seems to do what I want for now
2018-04-03 22:56 <SignpostMarv> I mean, not so much in the reporting aspect, but more the "highlight shit that aint covered by tests"
2018-04-03 22:56 <SignpostMarv> let's see what happens when I run axocover on opensim....
2018-04-03 22:57 <Ubit> 
ACTION hides

2018-04-03 22:58 <SignpostMarv> I forget how old my copy of opensim source is
2018-04-03 22:58 <SignpostMarv> 511 tests for opensim vs. 116 for libomv
2018-04-03 22:58 <Ubit> ops forgot to check if my last commit does compile on linux :p
2018-04-03 22:59 <Ubit> well no reason why not..
2018-04-03 22:59 <Ubit> one could do those things in LSL.. but well...
2018-04-03 23:01 <BillBlight> Yes it does compile on linux ubit and passed unit tests
2018-04-03 23:01 <Ubit> ty
2018-04-03 23:03 <Ubit> the decision to use doubles on lsl is going to bite us more.. uff
2018-04-03 23:04 <SignpostMarv> why am I not surprised that philip rosedale has hopped on the blockchain bandwagon ?
2018-04-03 23:05 <Ubit> errr
2018-04-03 23:05 <Ubit> U16Vec3 - not used 
2018-04-03 23:05 <Ubit> U16Quat - not used 
2018-04-03 23:05 <Ubit> S16Array - not used 
2018-04-03 23:05 <Ubit> really?? what about on improvedterseupdates ?
2018-04-03 23:06 <Ubit> 
ACTION looking to lludp data types 

2018-04-03 23:06 <Ubit> err unsigned?? oops
2018-04-03 23:08 <Ubit> anyone tested the materials new code? ( on httptests )
2018-04-03 23:09 <BillBlight> not yet, going to maybe fire it up tomorrow 
2018-04-03 23:09 <Ubit> i still hate them :p
2018-04-03 23:09 <Ubit> well that code..
2018-04-03 23:11 <Ubit> no one ever complained that diferent materials are assumed as the same one?
2018-04-03 23:11 <Ubit> or maybe...
2018-04-03 23:12 <BillBlight> I actually doubt there are few people that keep their advanced lighting on for that long, in SL, to notice ... Lag central .. LOL
2018-04-03 23:13 <Ubit> i think all do now no ?
2018-04-03 23:13 <SignpostMarv> opensim test coverage is at 314/511
2018-04-03 23:18 <SignpostMarv> looks like it's slowly churning it's way through the physics tests
2018-04-03 23:50 <SignpostMarv> 504/511
2018-04-04 00:09 <SignpostMarv> well that's not as bad as libomv
2018-04-04 00:10 <SignpostMarv> 21% ish coverage on opensim vs 4% on libomv
2018-04-04 00:12 <SignpostMarv> g'night
2018-04-04 00:21 <Ubit> oops
2018-04-04 00:23 <osmantis> Bug #8311:04 llAcos and llAsin return NaN for values very close to 1.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8311 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-04-04 08:25 <Tampa> I never know whether to be scared or happy when you say "oops"
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2018-04-05 04:29 <Tampa> freenode such stability /s
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2018-04-06 15:57 <Ubit> well and finalizers have no direct relation to gc either, they are a bit more complex
2018-04-06 16:00 <Ubit> dammm
2018-04-06 16:04 <Ubit> no feedback on materials changes and llSet* on them :(
2018-04-06 16:04 <Ubit> well guess httptests is also not easy for some ppl to test :(
2018-04-06 16:22 <Tampa> I could post a binary to G+, though I am not sure the level of quality the feedback might be
2018-04-06 16:26 <Tampa> Also most don't test on testing stuff, but their own things and breaking stuff is no good you know how people get
2018-04-06 16:26 <Tampa> I'll let jenkins build of latest and post it with a massive disclaimer maybe someone goes out and tests :)
2018-04-06 16:29 <Ubit> well master is also test version
2018-04-06 16:33 <Tampa> yeah but master still doesnt build on my jenkins so...
2018-04-06 17:31 <Ubit> well as i said, and at least for me,  httptests is the master
2018-04-06 17:31 <Ubit> "master" is 0.9 bugs fix
2018-04-06 17:32 <Ubit> as i said, didn't made the switch, bc our jenkins/mono does not suport .net 4.6  of httptests
2018-04-06 17:54 <BillBlight> I already told you the materials appear to be working, and ooops I did forget to respond to the mantis ..
2018-04-06 17:57 <Melanie_T> yes, that is a bit of an issue, being stuck on ancient mono 2.10
2018-04-06 17:58 <Melanie_T> of course i could compile a mono 5.x locally there
2018-04-06 18:04 <Ubit> not sure it will work on that kernel mel
2018-04-06 18:04 <Melanie_T> it will
2018-04-06 18:04 <Melanie_T> i've built it for older boxen
2018-04-06 18:05 <Ubit> well mono does spec some min versions
2018-04-06 18:06 <Ubit> but it works, it would be nice..  bc a upgrade of the box seems not easy
2018-04-06 18:06 <Ubit> but if...
2018-04-06 18:07 <Ubit> well i did look the the bins dist.. those of course are more dependent
2018-04-06 18:08 <Ubit> but to test that you will need a bit of free time.. its not a fast thing to do :(
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2018-04-06 18:13 <Ubit> grrr its my vision or only materials use LSLDbinary???
2018-04-06 18:13 <Ubit> or at least are the only thing calling OSDParser.SerializeLLSDBinary
2018-04-06 18:14 <Ubit> why why why when llsdbin is not that good, and they do zip anyway ?
2018-04-06 18:14 <Ubit> :(
2018-04-06 18:15 <Melanie_T> the viewer mandates that format
2018-04-06 18:15 <Melanie_T> materials are processed by the viewer not by us
2018-04-06 18:16 <Ubit> i know..  im questioning them..
2018-04-06 18:16 <Ubit> materials seem so off normal ll ideas
2018-04-06 18:17 <Ubit> exceptionaly for the worse :p
2018-04-06 18:17 <Melanie_T> they were tacked on much later
2018-04-06 18:18 <Melanie_T> most of the original coders, who were open source fans, had been kicked out by the new management
2018-04-06 18:18 <Melanie_T> so materials were written by a new crop of coders
2018-04-06 18:19 <Ubit> dahlia told me it was a tpv dev who made them..  
2018-04-06 18:21 <Ubit> at first glance LLSDbin seems a good idea.. and it is faster and smaller than LLSDxml of course
2018-04-06 18:21 <Ubit> but as bin format.. yeack...
2018-04-06 18:21 <Ubit> and bigendian.. while lludp is littleEndian mainly
2018-04-06 18:23 <Ubit> and a bin format that demands that bin data to be encoded :p
2018-04-06 18:24 <Ubit> err opps.. looking to wrong table :)
2018-04-06 18:24 <Ubit> ( the also odd notation format )
2018-04-06 18:28 <Ubit> and now to support lsl  we do need to look to materiasl contents
2018-04-06 18:29 <Ubit> uff this things are just TE fields :(
2018-04-06 18:30 <Ubit> to do more proper materials, they should be the all TE things 
2018-04-06 18:31 <Ubit> not just the 2 maps
2018-04-06 18:32 <Ubit> wee and Bill by testing i meant also the LSL 
2018-04-06 18:34 <Ubit> uff id like to make this things part of the SOP, only on regions until the sop gets into inventories
2018-04-06 18:35 <Ubit> but somehow they also seem "global" at sl
2018-04-06 18:35 <Melanie_T> materials are global and in SL, they are also deduplicated
2018-04-06 18:35 <Melanie_T> i don't know if we do that
2018-04-06 18:35 <Ubit> the id is a md5 hash
2018-04-06 18:36 <Ubit> so yes...
2018-04-06 18:36 <Ubit> just 2 diferent materials may be assumed equal
2018-04-06 18:37 <Ubit> but seems as SL,... just id may came from a dif hash
2018-04-06 18:39 <Ubit>         public void genID()
2018-04-06 18:39 <Ubit>         {
2018-04-06 18:39 <Ubit>             string lslx = toLLSDxml();
2018-04-06 18:39 <Ubit>             Byte[] data = System.Text.Encoding.ASCII.GetBytes(lslx);
2018-04-06 18:39 <Ubit>             using (var md5 = MD5.Create())
2018-04-06 18:39 <Ubit>                 ID = new UUID(md5.ComputeHash(data), 0);
2018-04-06 18:39 <Ubit>         }
2018-04-06 18:39 <Ubit> now.. i just changed the llsd encoder
2018-04-06 18:40 <Ubit> i may changed this again to just use raw bin
2018-04-06 18:40 <Ubit> as seed
2018-04-06 18:43 <Ubit> hmmm things like fixed(Guid* ptrbase = &NormalMapID.Guid) do take time  grrr
2018-04-06 18:43 <Ubit> does pay off to force cast a long or similar, not a int
2018-04-06 18:44 <Ubit> hmm and i don't understand .net bitconverter
2018-04-06 18:44 <Ubit> seems to have a bug... 
2018-04-06 18:44 <Ubit> the ms one... the mono seems ok and suports arm while .net does not
2018-04-06 18:46 <Ubit> so odd they say its littleendian, but it does bigendian write also
2018-04-06 18:46 <Ubit> just BUG on that
2018-04-06 18:46 <Ubit> at least i don't understand this code:
2018-04-06 18:47 <Ubit>   fixed( byte * pbyte = &value[startIndex]) {
2018-04-06 18:47 <Ubit>                 if( startIndex % 8 == 0) { // data is aligned 
2018-04-06 18:47 <Ubit>                     return *((long *) pbyte);
2018-04-06 18:47 <Ubit>                 }
2018-04-06 18:47 <Ubit>                 else {
2018-04-06 18:47 <Ubit>                     if( IsLittleEndian) { 
2018-04-06 18:47 <Ubit>                         int i1 = (*pbyte) | (*(pbyte + 1) << 8)  
2018-04-06 18:47 <Ubit> ...
2018-04-06 18:47 <Ubit> else {
2018-04-06 18:47 <Ubit>                         int i1 = (*pbyte << 24) | 
2018-04-06 18:47 <Ubit> if( startIndex % 8 == 0) is WRONG
2018-04-06 18:48 <Ubit> data is aligned as no meaning there... means only cache penalty or not
2018-04-06 18:49 <Ubit> but on int, doing the ORs is actually faster than forcing the cast with pointers
2018-04-06 18:49 <Ubit> odd
2018-04-06 18:49 <Ubit> guess gc costs of pinning the addr
2018-04-06 18:50 <Ubit> the cast does pay on longs as i said :)
2018-04-06 18:51 <Ubit> but they do it on ints also
2018-04-06 18:51 <Ubit> bahh 
2018-04-06 18:53 <Ubit> libomv ideia of bin ops is odd
2018-04-06 18:54 <Ubit> it does +  where it should be |, at least formally
2018-04-06 18:56 <Ubit> well if( startIndex % 8 == 0) there on ms should also be startIndex & 0x03 == 0
2018-04-06 18:57 <Ubit> but compiler seems to be clever on that case
2018-04-06 19:03 <Ubit> hmm and about our releases, for easier debug it would be nice to release compiled in debug
2018-04-06 19:04 <Ubit> but that does have a performance cost now
2018-04-06 19:04 <Ubit> so they should be in Release
2018-04-06 19:05 <Ubit> guess jit is better now... so that is visible
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2018-04-07 08:20 <SignpostMarv> I has dumb question. curerntly wondering why opensim websites don't have https ?
2018-04-07 08:56 <Tampa> I have a dumber question. Do they need to? All it does is protect the data being sent back and forth, the way it's stored and by whom is a bigger security issue still as people routinely disable firewalls and other protections to get their installations to work.
2018-04-07 09:01 <SignpostMarv> Tampa: websites. not opensim instances
2018-04-07 09:13 <SignpostMarv> i.e. wiki/mantis etc.
2018-04-07 09:20 <Tampa> What's there to protect exactly? Not everything needs https, though I suppose Let's Encrypt is easy enough.
2018-04-07 09:20 <Tampa> Don't really see the need there though
2018-04-07 09:21 <SignpostMarv> passwords
2018-04-07 09:30 <SignpostMarv> don't see the need for passwords to be submitted over https ?
2018-04-07 12:00 <Ubit> they don't have because it is a pain to make them have :p
2018-04-07 12:02 <Ubit> and each grid may have diferent needs per each service
2018-04-07 12:02 <Ubit> ie a closed grid will only want a few services under ssl
2018-04-07 12:02 <SignpostMarv> Ubit: website, not grid
2018-04-07 12:02 <Ubit> oops
2018-04-07 12:02 <Ubit> osg website is ssl now
2018-04-07 12:02 <Ubit> for example
2018-04-07 12:03 <SignpostMarv> I plan to poke around the various c# acme clients to see how usable they are
2018-04-07 12:03 <Ubit> but well on httptests i did fix the certs load at least
2018-04-07 12:03 <Ubit> nad can run a region fully on ssl
2018-04-07 12:04 <SignpostMarv> self-signed ?
2018-04-07 12:04 <Ubit> but there are issues about certs and that is it
2018-04-07 12:04 <Ubit> ssl is not made for self signed, those are considered test only
2018-04-07 12:05 <SignpostMarv> I mean were you testing with provided certs, self-signed certs, or acme client ?
2018-04-07 12:05 <Ubit> ( they need to protect that absurd business of certs sells for absurd costs )
2018-04-07 12:05 <Tampa> ssl is nice, but I feel that most people see it as a token for the legitimacy of a site, facebook has ssl too that didn't stop them from leaking data everywhere
2018-04-07 12:05 <Ubit> i did test with self signed
2018-04-07 12:05 <Tampa> Then again having ssl for OpenSim cannot hurt can it
2018-04-07 12:05 <Ubit> sll is heavy
2018-04-07 12:05 <Ubit> ssl
2018-04-07 12:06 <Ubit> crossings for example see the impact
2018-04-07 12:06 <SignpostMarv> quic ?
2018-04-07 12:06 <Ubit> and does eat some memory
2018-04-07 12:06 <Tampa> It would make sense for robust, but regions, not sure
2018-04-07 12:07 <Ubit> well the login is kinda shame for us not having ssl :)
2018-04-07 12:07 <Tampa> I find there are bigger holes to patch than ssl
2018-04-07 12:07 <Tampa> I think it can be made to work actually, but I have not had the time to try it
2018-04-07 12:07 <Ubit> i did stop working on it
2018-04-07 12:08 <Ubit> also because to suport several certs types at same time .net4.6 is needed
2018-04-07 12:08 <Ubit> if you test ssl region with httptest, money modules die
2018-04-07 12:08 <SignpostMarv> 
ACTION is just saying it would be nice to have secure login to opensim wiki/mantis etc.

2018-04-07 12:09 <Ubit> bc region will have rules for certs that will not match the ones money modules want
2018-04-07 12:09 <Tampa> Sign, yeah I mean I dont even know who runs that webserver so...
2018-04-07 12:09 <Ubit> .net till 4.5 assumed that a app will have only one set of rules
2018-04-07 12:09 <Tampa> You are correct though might make sense to have ssl on mantis, self signed is free after all
2018-04-07 12:10 <Ubit> but self signed is actually forbidden
2018-04-07 12:10 <Tampa> Ubit he is talking about the mantis website not having ssl, not OpenSim itself
2018-04-07 12:10 <Ubit> browsers will refuse it, and they ae hidding the option to allow it anyway
2018-04-07 12:11 <Tampa> Though to that, eventually .net needs a push to a newer version, cant stay stuck in the past
2018-04-07 12:11 <SignpostMarv> Tampa: I googled some things and the data center provider appears to want to still push people towards paid-for certs, but if opensim's server has cpanel or plesk running on top of it, there's addons for both of those panels for "push-button, receive free cert"
2018-04-07 12:11 <Tampa> pff certbot cronjob will do
2018-04-07 12:11 <Ubit> sign only those are "legal"
2018-04-07 12:11 <Ubit> certs mafia are pushing browsers etc to block others
2018-04-07 12:12 <SignpostMarv> 
ACTION is still interested in the sim convo, but worried about people hopping in and the website query getting lost :s

2018-04-07 12:12 <Tampa> well someone gotta have access to the mantis webserver, where is nebadon or mel when you need em xD
2018-04-07 12:12 <Ubit> certs are a nice chicken of golden eggs
2018-04-07 12:13 <SignpostMarv> my https experiment with ajaxlife led me down the path of "hey, make your own root ca, install that and issue certs from it, kthxbai"
2018-04-07 12:13 <Ubit> good money for minimal work
2018-04-07 12:13 <SignpostMarv> 
ACTION goes and checks what .net that's on

2018-04-07 12:13 <Tampa> Ubit, its a non-profit, you can probably get stuff for free if you tried lol
2018-04-07 12:13 <Ubit> opensim has no legal rep now
2018-04-07 12:14 <SignpostMarv> iirc, the only thing that you need to pay for these days is EV certs ?
2018-04-07 12:14 <Ubit> EV ?
2018-04-07 12:15 <SignpostMarv> that bit wot has "GitHub, Inc. [US]" in github's certs
2018-04-07 12:15 <SignpostMarv> "extended validation"
2018-04-07 12:35 <Melanie_T> SignpostMarv: what's with the website?
2018-04-07 12:36 <SignpostMarv> Melanie_T: no https ?
2018-04-07 12:37 <SignpostMarv> only noticed it when I logged in to check on something in the mantis
2018-04-07 12:37 <Melanie_T> https is not mandatory
2018-04-07 12:37 <SignpostMarv> https is not available
2018-04-07 12:38 <Melanie_T> it's not mandatory for websites to use https
2018-04-07 12:38 <Melanie_T> we don't use it
2018-04-07 12:38 <SignpostMarv> because sending passwords over plain text when you don't have to is a good idea ?
2018-04-07 12:38 <Melanie_T> use one you don't use anywhere else
2018-04-07 12:39 <Melanie_T> there is nothing on that site that is secret
2018-04-07 12:39 <SignpostMarv> that goes without saying, but it's still concerning
2018-04-07 12:39 <Melanie_T> and spammers don't need to crack passwords, their bots make several new accounts per day
2018-04-07 12:39 <SignpostMarv> given the relative ease with one can use free certs these days
2018-04-07 12:39 <Melanie_T> which we block
2018-04-07 12:41 <Melanie_T> none of us get paid for what we do for opensim
2018-04-07 12:41 <Melanie_T> if i spend 2 hours setting up ssl, that is two hours i can't to paid-for work
2018-04-07 12:42 <Melanie_T> tbh it's not come up before now
2018-04-07 12:42 <Melanie_T> and maybe i find a spot of time to do it in
2018-04-07 12:42 <Melanie_T> but i'm certainly not dropping what i'm doing right now to rush and add ssl
2018-04-07 12:44 <SignpostMarv> no rush, just was wondering why. lack of time/potential complexity etc. is understandable. i know my boss doesn't like it when he asks "how long will x take" and the answer is "here are the number of known unknowns and potential risks"
2018-04-07 12:47 <SignpostMarv> ty for your response on the matter :)
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2018-04-08 12:50 <osmantis> Bug #8305:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] add Sound commands for Linked prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8305 ): has been UPDATED.
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2018-04-08 23:29 <osmantis> Bug #8305:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] add Sound commands for Linked prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8305 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-04-08 23:32 <osmantis> Bug #8305:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] add Sound commands for Linked prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8305 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-04-08 23:34 <osmantis> Bug #8305:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] add Sound commands for Linked prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8305 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-04-08 23:52 <Plugh> I see more work ahead of me updating the OS wiki with information about new functions.
2018-04-08 23:52 <Ubit> mb better wait for some testing from ppl
2018-04-08 23:52 <Ubit> well assuming anyone will test :)
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2018-04-09 20:58 <djphil> Ubit: have your recent changes in the sound module improved anything compared to mantis #8275 ?
2018-04-09 20:59 <Ubit> no
2018-04-09 21:00 <djphil> ok
2018-04-09 21:00 <Ubit> the coment by FreakyTech on 8275 seems clear no ?
2018-04-09 21:00 <djphil> yes
2018-04-09 21:00 <djphil> my comment after too
2018-04-09 21:01 <Ubit> guess viewer thingies
2018-04-09 21:03 <Ubit> and those changes where on httptests !
2018-04-09 21:04 <Ubit> err and not on the sound module but ossl and lsl :p
2018-04-09 21:05 <djphil> ha ok
2018-04-09 21:07 <djphil> Would you like to implement something like osTransposeSound ?
2018-04-09 21:07 <Ubit> no we don't see the actually sound files
2018-04-09 21:08 <Ubit> just pass them around
2018-04-09 21:08 <djphil> i have no understand
2018-04-09 21:09 <Ubit> ok what would transpose sound do?
2018-04-09 21:09 <djphil> for exemple, you upload a sample "do"
2018-04-09 21:10 <djphil> and with transpose function, "do" can be "re", "mi", "fa" etc ...
2018-04-09 21:10 <Melanie_T> no
2018-04-09 21:10 <Melanie_T> sounds are opaque assets for opensim
2018-04-09 21:10 <Melanie_T> they are sent by the viewer and sent to the viewer
2018-04-09 21:10 <Ubit> ok as i said, that is changing the sound files, and we do not look to them
2018-04-09 21:10 <Ubit> and as mel is tellin :)
2018-04-09 21:11 <djphil> "transpose" is the exact technical term
2018-04-09 21:11 <Melanie_T> transposition would require us to decode the sound, perform FFT on it and then send that sound
2018-04-09 21:11 <Melanie_T> sims lack processing capacity to do that well
2018-04-09 21:11 <Ubit> dj we do not read the files contents at all
2018-04-09 21:11 <Ubit> thats viewer side only...
2018-04-09 21:11 <Melanie_T> even a simple 32 bucket fft would overtax the sim
2018-04-09 21:12 <Melanie_T> and that's not even considering the filtering needed on the finished signal
2018-04-09 21:12 <Ubit> i did run away from a wind module bc of ffts :)
2018-04-09 21:12 <Melanie_T> lol
2018-04-09 21:12 <Melanie_T> they're easier than quaternions, really
2018-04-09 21:12 <djphil> ok, i see beter now why you say "no", ty ;)
2018-04-09 21:13 <Ubit> yes but heavy never the less
2018-04-09 21:13 <Melanie_T> i remember analog ffts ;)
2018-04-09 21:13 <Melanie_T> they were called vocoders lol
2018-04-09 21:13 <Ubit> there is a wind module that did tried to replicate the old SL one
2018-04-09 21:13 <djphil> It's a shame its limitations but hey ...
2018-04-09 21:14 <Melanie_T> the only way that would be possible is by using an external sound transformation server
2018-04-09 21:14 <Melanie_T> but even so, each sound has a UUID and it's requested and sent by that UUID
2018-04-09 21:14 <Ubit> analog fft sounds like filter banks :)
2018-04-09 21:14 <Melanie_T> sounds are cached aggressively by viewers
2018-04-09 21:14 <Melanie_T> Ubit: precisely those are the heart of a 1980s vocoder
2018-04-09 21:14 <Ubit> :)
2018-04-09 21:15 <djphil> Or synthetiser from 80's games
2018-04-09 21:15 <Melanie_T> djphil: so if a viewer requests a sound, it gets a sound that needs to have the requested uuid
2018-04-09 21:15 <Melanie_T> it then caches that and any attempt to send another sound with that UUID to the viewer will simply cause it to play the cached version
2018-04-09 21:15 <Ubit> hmm do viewers do doopler on sounds ? never checked
2018-04-09 21:16 <Melanie_T> no, they don't
2018-04-09 21:16 <Melanie_T> it's a straight playback
2018-04-09 21:16 <Melanie_T> the evil thing about sounds is that viewers have precisely one channel to download sounds
2018-04-09 21:16 <Melanie_T> the sim MUST reply to each sound download request
2018-04-09 21:16 <Melanie_T> for a long time, the sims didn't reply for missing sounds
2018-04-09 21:17 <Ubit> and viewer gives up if takes 2 long :(
2018-04-09 21:17 <djphil> Hmmm and if the viewer included the transposer? does not solve the problem?
2018-04-09 21:17 <Melanie_T> causing the pipeline to stall and no more sounds would be downloaded for that session
2018-04-09 21:17 <Melanie_T> so people had to log into opensim several times to finally get  full set of the clicks and pops 
2018-04-09 21:17 <Melanie_T> the sound pipeline in the viewer has no timeout
2018-04-09 21:18 <Melanie_T> once i read the viewer code i figured that out and made the sim reply for missing sounds
2018-04-09 21:18 <Melanie_T> djphil: the thing is that playing a sound in opensim, from LSL, means LSL sends a request to play a certain sound UUID
2018-04-09 21:18 <Melanie_T> the viewer then checks it's cache
2018-04-09 21:19 <Melanie_T> and requests that sound if it's not available locally
2018-04-09 21:19 <Ubit> well for no special reason im actually compiling singu :)
2018-04-09 21:19 <Ubit> what a PAIN..  the project files where all broken
2018-04-09 21:19 <djphil> sound isn't on viewer cache ?
2018-04-09 21:19 <Melanie_T> so playing a sound isn't like "pushing sound bytes to the viewer"
2018-04-09 21:19 <Melanie_T> but rather "asking the viewer to get and play a sound"
2018-04-09 21:20 <Melanie_T> djphil: the viewer ships without any sounds
2018-04-09 21:21 <djphil> viewer have some internal sound no ?
2018-04-09 21:21 <Melanie_T> no
2018-04-09 21:21 <djphil> but now i have understand, ty :)
2018-04-09 21:21 <Ubit> well not i got 2 clever activating AVX and other optimizations and fails to compile LOL
2018-04-09 21:21 <Melanie_T> every single sound the viewer makes is downloaded
2018-04-09 21:21 <djphil> from OS assets you mean ?
2018-04-09 21:21 <Melanie_T> that is why, of you use the same viewer for SL and opensim, you may hear SL sounds in opensim and vice versa
2018-04-09 21:22 <Melanie_T> or a mix of both
2018-04-09 21:22 <Melanie_T> yes
2018-04-09 21:22 <Ubit> ok it did now, without /LGTL option
2018-04-09 21:22 <Melanie_T> for a long time it was believed the viewer had it's own sounds
2018-04-09 21:22 <Melanie_T> because every opensim user also used SL
2018-04-09 21:22 <Melanie_T> and of course that meant they had the SL sounds in cache
2018-04-09 21:22 <djphil> me too lol
2018-04-09 21:23 <Melanie_T> when the first opensim only users popped up and complained about opensim being silent we realized that we need to provide sounds
2018-04-09 21:23 <Melanie_T> unfortunately, we need to use the given UUIDs that are hardcoded in the viewer
2018-04-09 21:23 <Ubit> ohh and does run :)
2018-04-09 21:23 <djphil> hehe ^^
2018-04-09 21:23 <Melanie_T> that means that for each possibel sound there can only be either the SL or the opensim sound cached
2018-04-09 21:23 <Ubit> oops runs.. very sloow LOL
2018-04-09 21:23 <Melanie_T> we couldn't use SL's sounds for copyright reasons
2018-04-09 21:24 <Melanie_T> so someone, i believe it was nebadon or sdague, made new ones
2018-04-09 21:24 <Melanie_T> they have been the opensim sounds to this day
2018-04-09 21:24 <Melanie_T> i hardly remember the SL ones anymore
2018-04-09 21:24 <Ubit> what hell why AVX and automatic paralell optimazition made it slower ?
2018-04-09 21:24 <Ubit> ufff
2018-04-09 21:24 <djphil> hehe ty vm for this sound history :)
2018-04-09 21:25 <osmantis> Bug #8275:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] llStopSound has no effect on llPlaySound or llTriggerSound etc ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8275 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2018-04-09 21:25 <osmantis> Bug #8275:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] llStopSound has no effect on llPlaySound or llTriggerSound etc ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8275 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
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2018-04-10 02:49 <osmantis> Bug #8275:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] llStopSound has no effect on llPlaySound or llTriggerSound etc ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8275 ): has been REOPENED.
2018-04-10 02:50 <osmantis> Bug #8275:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] llStopSound has no effect on llPlaySound or llTriggerSound etc ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8275 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2018-04-10 02:51 <Ubit> err assined to me??  dannnggg i did not wanted that :p
2018-04-10 02:52 <BillBlight> just make an osStopSound() and be done with it ... HAHA :P
2018-04-10 02:58 <osmantis> Bug #8275:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] llStopSound has no effect on llPlaySound or llTriggerSound etc ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8275 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-04-10 03:02 <osmantis> Bug #8305:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] add Sound commands for Linked prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8305 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-04-10 03:45 <Ubit> ohhh
2018-04-10 03:45 <Ubit> Function: llStopSound( );
2018-04-10 03:45 <Ubit> 92 
2018-04-10 03:45 <Ubit> Function ID 
2018-04-10 03:45 <Ubit> 0.0 
2018-04-10 03:45 <Ubit> Forced Delay 
2018-04-10 03:45 <Ubit> 10.0 
2018-04-10 03:45 <Ubit> Energy 
2018-04-10 03:45 <Ubit> Stops the attached sound(s) currently playing, if they were started by llLoopSound
2018-04-10 03:45 <Ubit> thats sl spec
2018-04-10 03:45 <Ubit> and thats what we do
2018-04-10 03:51 <Ubit> llPlaySound This does not work. llStopSound will not stop sound started with llPlaySound. at least not in v 1.16. Worx again since 1.17.1 -Altern8McMillan
2018-04-10 03:51 <Ubit> on old wiki
2018-04-10 03:55 <BillBlight> yep it is not supposed to stop llPlaySound ... Easiest way to stop a sound is to play another sound in the same prim at 0 volume
2018-04-10 03:55 <djphil> That old ... now have effect :)
2018-04-10 03:55 <Ubit> not acording to new wiki also
2018-04-10 03:57 <djphil> so new wiki does not match what happens in SL with SL viewer
2018-04-10 03:57 <Ubit> guess so
2018-04-10 03:57 <djphil> You kniw wiki allways need updates ^^
2018-04-10 03:57 <djphil> know*
2018-04-10 05:34 <Ubit> damm its a singu thing
2018-04-10 05:34 <Ubit> singu follows specs
2018-04-10 05:34 <Ubit> FS does not
2018-04-10 06:35 <Ubit> bahh of course not
2018-04-10 06:49 <BillBlight> if you want I could set you up a private repo on github , that you can push to , and have my jenkins test build it for you
2018-04-10 06:50 <BillBlight> just a thought for the httptests branch since it will not build on the current box
2018-04-10 06:50 <BillBlight> that was @Ubit of course
2018-04-10 06:57 <Ubit> does the current box give  bins for master?
2018-04-10 06:58 <Ubit> guess a few do use it, if it does
2018-04-10 06:58 <Ubit> the sources seem to be on gitview
2018-04-10 06:59 <Ubit> hmm just hard to navegate to
2018-04-10 07:01 <BillBlight> Yeah would be hard for people to find it if it was split up like that, just thought I would offer
2018-04-10 07:02 <BillBlight> http://webgit.oscore2.com/?a=summary&p=osCore2
2018-04-10 07:02 <BillBlight> hehe
2018-04-10 07:03 <BillBlight> No that was not a shameless plug, I would not recommend anybody that is not into edge testing to use my build
2018-04-10 07:04 <Ubit> yeap radius seems to do nothing even on trigger at sl
2018-04-10 07:04 <Ubit> play and loop viewers just ignore it
2018-04-10 07:04 <BillBlight> I tested it at SL with FS and it did nothing
2018-04-10 07:04 <BillBlight> I tried as an attachment as well, did nothing
2018-04-10 07:05 <Ubit> yeap no code on viewers
2018-04-10 07:05 <Ubit> guess bc on play and loop  the source moves with prims
2018-04-10 07:07 <Ubit> our code is also bad on it
2018-04-10 07:07 <Ubit> but will fix when i have a viewer that does it :)
2018-04-10 07:50 <osmantis> Bug #8275:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] llStopSound has no effect on llPlaySound or llTriggerSound etc ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8275 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2018-04-10 17:59 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid.
2018-04-10 21:25 <Ubit> ..  of course i did miss a file ( well for now.. )
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2018-04-11 11:49 <osmantis> Bug #8313:04 ??? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8313 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-04-11 12:00 <osmantis> Bug #8313:04 ??? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8313 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2018-04-14 12:58 <osmantis> Bug #8314:04 Map tile generation from robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8314 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-04-14 13:07 <osmantis> Bug #8315:04 Regions table clearing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8315 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2018-04-14 13:13 <Tampa> Sorry to be so pedantic, but robust is "stupid" and its triggering my sense of automation :D
2018-04-14 17:08 <tx0h> ?
2018-04-14 17:09 <Ubit> yes  regions and avatars state awerness is something im think about for sometime
2018-04-14 17:10 <Ubit> awerness ?
2018-04-14 17:11 <Ubit> oh i did spell it right .. miracle :)
2018-04-14 17:12 <Ubit> oops except a minor e..
2018-04-14 17:16 <osmantis> Bug #8315:04 Regions table clearing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8315 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-04-14 17:31 <osmantis> Bug #8314:04 Map tile generation from robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8314 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-04-14 17:32 <Ubit> scripts have similar issue.. they change physics state etc etc
2018-04-14 17:33 <Ubit> and physics may just start simulation without that info or vice versa
2018-04-14 17:33 <Ubit> errr wrong window :)
2018-04-14 18:32 <Plugh> Grr... I have two objects in a region. I delete the items and restart the region. After restart the items are back. :P
2018-04-14 18:42 <Plugh> Finally got the bad itemsremoved.
2018-04-14 18:58 <tx0h> hi
2018-04-14 18:59 <tx0h> have you ever tried the model parameter of 'create user' with any success?
2018-04-14 18:59 <Plugh> model parameter?
2018-04-14 19:00 <Plugh> Ah. no, I haven't.
2018-04-14 19:02 <tx0h> .. like to see a funny snapshot? me in opensim on a moap logged in in opensim http://pasteall.org/pic/25646db77bcd97e2e842fd38e7f399c4
2018-04-14 19:03 <Plugh> :)
2018-04-14 19:05 <osmantis> Bug #8315:04 Regions table clearing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8315 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-04-14 19:06 <tx0h> the cpu usage got high and higher
2018-04-14 19:06 <Tampa> Yeah its not fun, but neither is dealing with those issue, so question is whats worse. Updating robust making it heavier or trying to workaround it not being self-aware
2018-04-14 19:08 <Plugh> From what I can tell by looking at the code the model is a name of an existing avatar account. It will copy that avatars look.
2018-04-14 19:09 <tx0h> yes, but it's not working...
2018-04-14 19:09 <tx0h> here is the patch, which introduced the feature: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7981
2018-04-14 19:11 <tx0h> Plugh: i tried it several times, with my normal standalone setup and with robust..
2018-04-14 19:11 <BillBlight> I use the model feature and it works everytime
2018-04-14 19:12 <tx0h> BillBlight: how did you structured the inventory for that?
2018-04-14 19:12 <tx0h> BillBlight: only attached prims got copied
2018-04-14 19:21 <tx0h> 
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2018-04-14 19:24 <Plugh> tx0h: Did you put the first and last name of the model avatar in double quotes?
2018-04-14 19:24 <tx0h> plugh: no, but the log says, it got the right uuid of the source avatar
2018-04-14 19:25 <Plugh> hm... ok.
2018-04-14 19:26 <Plugh> It is supposed to copy the wearables and attachments.
2018-04-14 19:26 <tx0h> but what about body parts?
2018-04-14 19:26 <Plugh> I would think that is part of wearables.
2018-04-14 19:28 <tx0h> i think so too, but even with a complete new created avatar (shape, skin, eyes, hair, pants, skirt...) i had no luck. i placed it in the source avatars 'clothing' directory...
2018-04-14 19:29 <Plugh> It copied attachments but not wearables?
2018-04-14 19:30 <tx0h> yes. a hat and a straw
2018-04-14 19:31 <Plugh> Is there a difference in the perms between the wearables and the attachments?
2018-04-14 19:32 <tx0h> no, all where copy, mod, trans
2018-04-14 19:32 <Plugh> ok. That shoots that idea.
2018-04-14 19:39 <tx0h> plugh: thanks for the trying
2018-04-14 19:54 <Tampa> The function thats in the code for copying stuff isn't actually working, I cannot tell you why, but I rewrote the inventory copying system to apply items to newly registered users in php a while ago. If items are worn it seems to not function properly. You may find the items in the inventory, but they are not worn. The reason for that is the item type in the table.
2018-04-14 19:54 <Tampa> This used to work, but apparently no longer does, at least I could not get the builtin function to ever work.
2018-04-14 19:56 <Plugh> Tampa: I wrote my own avatar copy procedure in PHP ages ago too. I haven't updated it for the changes in the database since my PHP code was last used.
2018-04-14 19:57 <Tampa> iirc you have to copy worn items twice, the item and the entry to wear it or something
2018-04-14 19:58 <Tampa> Not quite sure its been some time
2018-04-14 19:59 <Plugh> tx0h: No message saying "Cannot locate folder(s)"?
2018-04-14 20:01 <Plugh> If the code is copying wearables it will log debug messages of the form: [XXX]: Getting item {0} from avie {1}
2018-04-14 20:02 <tx0h> http://pasteall.org/923697
2018-04-14 20:03 <Plugh> Hm... "Error transferring"
2018-04-14 20:04 <tx0h> yes, it uses fantasy uuid's, stuff which isn't in the asset cache nor in the database
2018-04-14 20:04 <tx0h> with php you manipulated the database directly, right?
2018-04-14 20:05 <Plugh> yes.
2018-04-14 20:05 <Plugh> The reason for the error is the item details wasn't retrieved. 
2018-04-14 20:06 <Plugh> // Get inventory item and copy it
2018-04-14 20:06 <Plugh> InventoryItemBase item = m_InventoryService.GetItem(source, itemID);
2018-04-14 20:06 <tx0h> yepp, i searched the uuid's but they aren't on my system.
2018-04-14 20:06 <Plugh> if item == null you get that error transferring message.
2018-04-14 20:07 <Plugh> That explains why you have the error. It can't find the items.
2018-04-14 20:08 <Plugh> Have you logged in to the grid with the model avatar to see how it looks? Clear viewer cache first to make sure you aren't seeing it using old cached data.
2018-04-14 20:08 <Plugh> My PHP script copied appearance, inventory, and group data.
2018-04-14 20:10 <tx0h> well. it was a cloud with a complete empty inventory. just the standard library
2018-04-14 20:11 <tx0h> i think this is a good feature and i guess i will file a mantis sooner or later. but BillBlight just told, he/she has no issues with it.
2018-04-14 20:14 <tx0h> by the way: i think, i will implement an "boolean = osAvatarInGroup(key uuid, string groupname)" because llSameGroup needs to activate a group first.
2018-04-14 20:15 <Plugh> If you model avatar doesn't have a set of wearables that you can see then the problem is with the model. Fix the model and try again.
2018-04-14 20:16 <Tampa> If you want to have that os function you may need robust to return data, I think simulators in grid mode don't actually know all the users groups only the active one, not sure
2018-04-14 20:16 <tx0h> yes, i will try it again
2018-04-14 20:17 <Plugh> Hm... should it take the group name or the UUID of the group?
2018-04-14 20:17 <tx0h> Tampa: it's for local groups only, not for hg foreigners.
2018-04-14 20:18 <tx0h> Plugh: groupname, there is no way to get the uuid of a group in lsl or ossl, afaik
2018-04-14 20:18 <Tampa> No I am saying simulators may not actually know all the groups the user has, only the one active at the moment
2018-04-14 20:22 <Plugh> tx0h: Right. I just checked the list of LSL functions. You just have llDetectedGroup and llSameGroup.
2018-04-14 20:22 <Ubit> what is the comand you are using to create the user?
2018-04-14 20:23 <Plugh> Ubit, From what tx0h has said the model avatar is only appearing as a cloud so it doesn't have wearables other than attachments to be copied.
2018-04-14 20:24 <tx0h> Ubit: create user fname lname pwort email newuuid sfname slname
2018-04-14 20:24 <Ubit> yes but i did not asked that :)
2018-04-14 20:24 <Ubit> filling all those fields?
2018-04-14 20:25 <Ubit> i ask bc that comand is not parsable at all
2018-04-14 20:26 <Plugh> tx0h: In that command you didn't put the first and last name in quotes.
2018-04-14 20:26 <Ubit> well confusing..  to give model, all parameters need to be set
2018-04-14 20:27 <Ubit> and we should not provide a uuid
2018-04-14 20:27 <Plugh> It has all the parameters needed according to "help users" in Robust.
2018-04-14 20:27 <Plugh> create user [<first> [<last> [<pass> [<email> [<user id> [<model>]]]]]] - Create a new user
2018-04-14 20:28 <Ubit> yeap well confusing and at least uuid should be very very optional always
2018-04-14 20:28 <Plugh> Right. It does seem odd having a UUID parameter in the list.
2018-04-14 20:28 <tx0h> ubit: yes. a good work around would to pass a null_key as uuid
2018-04-14 20:28 <Plugh> When it gets to that parameter in the list it can do a TryParse to see if it is or is not a UUID. If not, assume its the model parameter.
2018-04-14 20:29 <Ubit> yes i was thinking that..  just a pain to type even :)
2018-04-14 20:29 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2018-04-14 20:29 <Ubit> but well that is a dif issue it seems... i just tried to test it and hated the comand :)
2018-04-14 20:29 <tx0h> but if you use a software, it would be ok
2018-04-14 20:29 <Plugh> Having looked at the code I wonder about it wanting the model parameter as a single entity with first and last name.
2018-04-14 20:30 <Ubit> yeap opening a uuig gen site
2018-04-14 20:30 <tx0h> actually i used 'create user<CR>and so on'
2018-04-14 20:31 <Plugh> ok
2018-04-14 20:32 <Plugh> If the create user code doesn't get a proper UUID it throws an exception.
2018-04-14 20:32 <Plugh> It wouldn't get to the step of calling CreateUser().
2018-04-14 20:32 <Ubit> yeap that should be the only option
2018-04-14 20:33 <Ubit> Getting item 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 from avie
2018-04-14 20:33 <tx0h> but in the end, it would be ok to give a null key 
2018-04-14 20:33 <Ubit> this does sound off 
2018-04-14 20:33 <Plugh> It does
2018-04-14 20:34 <Ubit> but no errors
2018-04-14 20:34 <Ubit> ok let me log it and see
2018-04-14 20:34 <Plugh> Passing UUID.Zero would be a bad idea.
2018-04-14 20:34 <Ubit> err what was the ava name' oops :)
2018-04-14 20:35 <Plugh> um... bbl. My cat has brought a toy to me. It is play time, for the second time today. 
2018-04-14 20:35 <tx0h> Plugh: why? it suggest the code to find a new one..
2018-04-14 20:36 <Ubit> well im ruth :)
2018-04-14 20:37 <Plugh> From what I can tell, if you pass a zero UUID it will attempt to use that as the UUID of the new user. Perhaps the UserAccount routine generates a non-zero UUID if passed a zero UUID. I haven't dug that deep.
2018-04-14 20:37 <Ubit> we can't delete users ?
2018-04-14 20:46 <tx0h> Ubit: well, not officially
2018-04-14 20:47 <tx0h> Ubit: it worked?
2018-04-14 20:50 <tx0h> Plugh: i mean, it would be 'normal logic' if you pass a null key, you would expect that the system choose a 'better' one
2018-04-14 20:55 <Ubit> no i arrived ruth
2018-04-14 20:57 <BillBlight> try just typing create user, then answer the questions, but I usually use actual avatar name for the model, not an id
2018-04-14 20:57 <tx0h> Ubit: thats better than a cloud. so you've got something in the inventory, at least
2018-04-14 20:58 <BillBlight> Not sure what the issue could be because I do it all the time when I create alts to test with, and use one of my other alts as the model
2018-04-14 20:58 <tx0h> BillBlight: yes, i do the same.
2018-04-14 20:58 <tx0h> the model name without quotes
2018-04-14 20:58 <BillBlight> is the model you are coping from wearing no transfer items?
2018-04-14 20:59 <BillBlight> no don't do with quotes
2018-04-14 20:59 <tx0h> no, they are also exportable, as well
2018-04-14 20:59 <BillBlight> at least I don't
2018-04-14 20:59 <Ubit> quotes are needed if using just a comand
2018-04-14 20:59 <Ubit> and only on model i guess
2018-04-14 20:59 <Ubit> ohh crap
2018-04-14 21:00 <Ubit> i did clone a ava that is RUTH
2018-04-14 21:00 <Ubit> lol
2018-04-14 21:00 <BillBlight> R.O.B.U.S.T.# create user
2018-04-14 21:00 <BillBlight> 16:59:58 - [HGFRIENDS SERVICE]: Status notification: foreign user cd80fdae-272a-4ccc-b02e-9a091721236e wants to notify 1 local friends of online status
2018-04-14 21:00 <BillBlight> First name [Default]: New
2018-04-14 21:00 <BillBlight> Last name [User]: TestAvie
2018-04-14 21:00 <BillBlight> Password:
2018-04-14 21:00 <BillBlight> Email []:
2018-04-14 21:00 <BillBlight> User ID [af6685d8-32ef-4846-9cf5-747ab33c1b41]:
2018-04-14 21:00 <Ubit> forgot im on my test grid..
2018-04-14 21:00 <BillBlight> Model name []: Bill Blight
2018-04-14 21:00 <BillBlight> I did not use quotes
2018-04-14 21:00 <BillBlight> worked fine
2018-04-14 21:00 <Ubit> im so silly sometimes
2018-04-14 21:01 <Ubit> ( shutup bill i know im always silly .. but they don't need to know )
2018-04-14 21:01 <BillBlight> you made me delete the comment before I sent it Ubit
2018-04-14 21:01 <Ubit> :p
2018-04-14 21:03 <tx0h> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1370 shows the same uuids from the assets i can't copy with create user
2018-04-14 21:03 <BillBlight> Just logged in with the avie I just created as above and it is a clone of my avie .. So not sure what the issue for you is
2018-04-14 21:03 <Ubit> doing it step by step on debug and looks ok so far
2018-04-14 21:05 <tx0h> 
ACTION sighs

2018-04-14 21:05 <Ubit> carefull with links
2018-04-14 21:05 <Ubit> wearables of the model can't be links
2018-04-14 21:06 <tx0h> they arent
2018-04-14 21:07 <tx0h> do you have the stuff in subdirectory of 'Clothing' or directly in 'Clothing'?
2018-04-14 21:07 <Ubit> ok that uuid zero on log is spurius
2018-04-14 21:08 <Ubit> just a blind debug message
2018-04-14 21:08 <Ubit>  m_log.DebugFormat("[XXX]: Getting item {0} from avie {1}", wearable[0].ItemID, source);
2018-04-14 21:08 <Ubit>                 if (wearable[0].ItemID != UUID.Zero)
2018-04-14 21:08 <Ubit> or misplaced..
2018-04-14 21:09 <tx0h> Ubit: these assets i can't copy can't be find in my database nor in the assset cache
2018-04-14 21:09 <Ubit> i meant the msgs on log like [XXX]: Getting item...
2018-04-14 21:09 <BillBlight> create user test3 avie ****** none@none.com 96a0e4c4-4027-11e8-b467-0ed5f89a718b "Bill Blight"
2018-04-14 21:09 <Ubit> they are meaningless
2018-04-14 21:10 <BillBlight> I just did that and it cloned my avatar
2018-04-14 21:10 <Ubit> ok sorry to say, but it did work fine 
2018-04-14 21:10 <BillBlight> here too
2018-04-14 21:10 <Ubit> now that i did clone a proper avatar lol
2018-04-14 21:10 <Ubit> yeap inv looks fine
2018-04-14 21:11 <Ubit> well body parts are not on bodyparts.. all on clothing
2018-04-14 21:11 <tx0h> they are in ./bin/inventory/BodyPartsLibrary/BodyPartsLibraryItems.xml and in ./OpenSim/Framework/AvatarWearable.cs
2018-04-14 21:11 <Ubit> but works
2018-04-14 21:11 <Ubit> errr
2018-04-14 21:12 <Ubit> ideia of this is to clone a exitent avatar
2018-04-14 21:12 <Ubit> and library still has issues
2018-04-14 21:13 <Ubit> thry this..
2018-04-14 21:13 <Ubit> make a new fresh avatar...
2018-04-14 21:13 <Ubit> caller avatar templateA
2018-04-14 21:13 <Ubit> or somthing
2018-04-14 21:13 <Ubit> login with it
2018-04-14 21:14 <Ubit> copy the items yo want to its inventory in the right places
2018-04-14 21:14 <Ubit> dress it blablabla
2018-04-14 21:14 <Ubit> make sure EVERYTHING is FULL RIGHTS
2018-04-14 21:14 <Plugh> BillBlight: The code does a split on the model string. If there aren't two parts after the split it will say the model name is invalid and fall back to Ruth.
2018-04-14 21:14 <tx0h> right place is directly under 'Clothing' right?
2018-04-14 21:14 <Ubit> htat means textures,  attached objects and ALL the things in those objects ( scripts etc etc )
2018-04-14 21:15 <Ubit> ALL should be full rights, or permissions may kick in
2018-04-14 21:15 <tx0h> ok, i do that. one sec
2018-04-14 21:15 <BillBlight> the clone only clones what you are wearing
2018-04-14 21:15 <Ubit> do not wear things directly from opensim library.. that is still broken
2018-04-14 21:16 <BillBlight> does not matter what folder they are in, as long as it is not the default library
2018-04-14 21:16 <Ubit> its bodyparts and clothing mainly, attachments can came fro objects
2018-04-14 21:16 <Ubit> but they will all endup on clothing..
2018-04-14 21:17 <Ubit> and do not use links..
2018-04-14 21:17 <Ubit> ( ignore current outfit, that is not for you to edit.. but viewers )
2018-04-14 21:17 <BillBlight> Yeah what Ubit said . does not matter what folder they start out in, as long as they are full perm and not from the system library
2018-04-14 21:18 <Ubit> yes our system library can't work as nice as the sl one, bc viewers have hardcoded owner IDS
2018-04-14 21:18 <Ubit> viewers thing :(
2018-04-14 21:18 <Ubit> well our code is not that great either :)
2018-04-14 21:25 <Ubit> well forgot to tell the obvius..  you could test with a avatar that already works fine :p
2018-04-14 21:26 <Plugh> I think I already suggested that.
2018-04-14 21:26 <Ubit> what i said was more how to create a pack of models
2018-04-14 21:26 <tx0h> ok
2018-04-14 21:27 <Ubit> you are on htttests right ?
2018-04-14 21:28 <tx0h> that worked. don't know why.
2018-04-14 21:28 <Ubit> think i kinda told why :)
2018-04-14 21:31 <tx0h> but what will be with the uuid param? this is still a thing?
2018-04-14 21:31 <Ubit> mk sure it is unique for now
2018-04-14 21:32 <Ubit> do create user <enter> .. its nicer
2018-04-14 21:32 <tx0h> lol
2018-04-14 21:32 <tx0h> yes, but i's hard for a rest app
2018-04-14 21:33 <Ubit> guess that comand line was made thinging on automatic things.. like webscripts
2018-04-14 21:33 <BillBlight> could just make it so the commandline does not accept a uuid and just generates one
2018-04-14 21:33 <BillBlight> or should I say
2018-04-14 21:36 <Ubit> we should really just type enter without parameters and answer one by one
2018-04-14 21:36 <Ubit> but i can make "" work
2018-04-14 21:36 <tx0h> what will happen, when i try a NULL KEY now? i have a fresh sql dump. lets try.
2018-04-14 21:37 <Ubit> NO
2018-04-14 21:37 <BillBlight> NO
2018-04-14 21:37 <Ubit> it fails
2018-04-14 21:37 <BillBlight> OMG NO
2018-04-14 21:37 <BillBlight> lol
2018-04-14 21:38 <tx0h> what will happen? will i get a error message?
2018-04-14 21:38 <BillBlight> if you need a uuid and this is linux just t ype uuidgen on the command line
2018-04-14 21:39 <BillBlight> the linux commandline
2018-04-14 21:39 <tx0h> BillBlight: right. well.. i will see what will happen when i come to program the interface
2018-04-14 21:40 <BillBlight> I create regions from the command line and use uuidgen to a variable to place it in the file
2018-04-14 21:40 <BillBlight> NEWUUID=$(uuidgen)
2018-04-14 21:41 <tx0h> never got a double?
2018-04-14 21:41 <BillBlight> nope
2018-04-14 21:41 <BillBlight> UUIDS are based on a lot of things including current time and date
2018-04-14 21:41 <tx0h> well.. i will try with a double first. just to see if i can catch an error
2018-04-14 21:41 <BillBlight> chances of getting a double are pretty slim
2018-04-14 21:42 <BillBlight> "Version 1 concatenates the 48-bit MAC address of the "node" (that is, the computer generating the UUID), with a 60-bit timestamp, being the number of 100-nanosecond intervals since midnight 15 October 1582 Coordinated Universal Time (UTC), the date on which the Gregorian calendar was first adopted. RFC 4122 states that the time value rolls over around 3400 AD,[2] depending on the algorithm 
2018-04-14 21:42 <BillBlight> used, which implies that the 60-bit timestamp is a signed quantity. However some software, such as the libuuid library, treats the timestamp as unsigned, putting the rollover time in 5236 AD.[9]"
2018-04-14 21:43 <tx0h> BillBlight: yes, but not implausible
2018-04-14 21:43 <BillBlight> the chances of getting a double uuid are really really reall slim
2018-04-14 21:43 <tx0h> thats why you always need to check.
2018-04-14 21:43 <BillBlight> only on the same machine in two diff processes run at the exact same moment
2018-04-14 21:44 <BillBlight> because mac address is part of the calculation
2018-04-14 21:44 <BillBlight> have a better chance of a mac address collision
2018-04-14 21:45 <tx0h> anyway, ty all for helping
2018-04-14 21:48 <tx0h> bed time
2018-04-14 21:54 <Ubit> errr now that im commiting something that needs testing :P
2018-04-14 21:57 <BillBlight> uhhh oh
2018-04-14 22:06 <Ubit> oops
2018-04-14 22:06 <Ubit> forgot to escape :)
2018-04-14 22:07 <Ubit> .. to be "" ...
2018-04-14 22:14 <BillBlight> 
ACTION waits for you to fix it

2018-04-14 22:20 <Ubit> err issue is on the git comment not code
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2018-04-15 00:33 <Ubit> nightmares tx0h ?
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2018-04-15 16:23 <smxy> Question. In my grid, there are four regions, laid out in a 2x2 fashion. They are parts of a large city. The owner of the regions died a couple of years ago, and his partner and friends have been maintaining it, since, as I made them Estate Managers. They need me to create a group and deed one of the region-sized parcels to that group, so that they can put out a radio device and deed it 
2018-04-15 16:23 <smxy> to the group. My concern, because I'm not familiar enough with what might or might not happen, is what happens to everything rezzed in the region when I deed it to the group (I'll login as the former owner, to do that)? Do they get returned, does nothing happen and everything stays? I don't want this to break anything.
2018-04-15 16:24 <Ubit> if i remember dead things to group mb suicidal
2018-04-15 16:25 <smxy> It's supposed to work. Are you saying it doesn't?
2018-04-15 16:26 <Ubit> never did even at sl
2018-04-15 16:26 <Ubit> bc of permissions
2018-04-15 16:26 <smxy> Yes it dd. I can remember doing that myself, with radios.
2018-04-15 16:26 <Ubit> you may loose all rights
2018-04-15 16:27 <smxy> Then how do I make this work for them? What options are there for getting a radio onto the land, that they can control?
2018-04-15 16:27 <Ubit> try share with group mb
2018-04-15 16:28 <smxy> If I login as the former owner, and put out the radio, how can tey control it?
2018-04-15 16:28 <smxy> they*
2018-04-15 16:28 <Tampa> Deed to group works fine, you set the permissions in the role tab of the group, either create them a role or add the "change media settings" permission to the member role
2018-04-15 16:29 <Ubit> well you have been warned :p
2018-04-15 16:29 <Tampa> Then they, through a script or otherwise, can change the media settings of the parcel
2018-04-15 16:29 <smxy> That's exactly what they need to do - control the radio via a script.
2018-04-15 16:30 <Tampa> That should work properly if they have the permission set for their role
2018-04-15 16:31 <smxy> So, 1) I create a group, 2) I login as the former owner and deed the parcel to the group (what happenes to exesting objects?), 3) they join the group, 4) they rez the radio, 5) they deed it to group, 6) I add that role to the group members so they can control it.
2018-04-15 16:31 <smxy> Sound right?
2018-04-15 16:32 <Tampa> You dont even need to share the radio to the group so long as the group members have the permission set in their role to rez on group land they will be able to
2018-04-15 16:32 <Tampa> Deed the parcel to the group, set media settings and rez permissions in group member role
2018-04-15 16:32 <Tampa> The existing objects should remain owned by you unless you deed them as well
2018-04-15 16:32 <smxy> then add the Estate managers to that group
2018-04-15 16:33 <Tampa> You dont need them to be estate managers
2018-04-15 16:33 <smxy> They already are and have been since he died
2018-04-15 16:33 <Ubit> (btw i was talking about deed objects not parcels )
2018-04-15 16:34 <Tampa> If the land is deeded to the group and they have the group active, the permission is set for change media settings and rez then they can rez their radio and change the media url just fine
2018-04-15 16:34 <smxy> Is there ny way I can simply give the existing estate managers the permissions they need to manage the media settings? They already can do everything else they need to in these regions.
2018-04-15 16:35 <Tampa> Technically if they are estate managers they should be able to change those settings anyways
2018-04-15 16:35 <smxy> They need a script to control the radio though.
2018-04-15 16:35 <smxy> When they aren't necessarily even logged in
2018-04-15 16:35 <Tampa> That may not be included in estate manager permissions
2018-04-15 16:36 <Ubit> no estate managers do have limitations.. some things ll did considered parcel owner only
2018-04-15 16:36 <Tampa> You can manually add people to groups via the database if you dont want to bother them
2018-04-15 16:36 <Ubit> and opensim was even worse than sl.. almost no estate manager powers
2018-04-15 16:37 <smxy> The problem is this: They have created a  show, using NPCs, about the life of the region owner who died (Lumier Noir). The show works fine and can be started at any time by a visitor to the region, by clicking a button. They need the script that starts the show, to stuff a media URL into a radio and play it, so that the show has sound.
2018-04-15 16:38 <smxy> Lumiere still owns the regions/parcels, but they are Estate Managers.
2018-04-15 16:39 <Tampa> estate managers likely dont have permissions to use scripts to change that so no, deed to group instead
2018-04-15 16:39 <Ubit> radios only change parcel media settings
2018-04-15 16:40 <smxy> The region has one region-sized parcel.
2018-04-15 16:40 <smxy> By default.
2018-04-15 16:40 <Ubit> sometimes dif sound is a reason to set more parcel :)
2018-04-15 16:40 <Ubit> or media
2018-04-15 16:40 <smxy> yes
2018-04-15 16:41 <Ubit> did you check ossl functions to do that ?
2018-04-15 16:41 <Ubit> those you can tune rights on osslenable.ini of that region also
2018-04-15 16:41 <Tampa> That's just inviting abuse though
2018-04-15 16:42 <Ubit> well not if estate manager rights etc
2018-04-15 16:42 <smxy> I'm not the script writer. They told me: What I need is to be able to use a scripted object to execute  llSetParcelMusicURL and llParcelMediaCommandList([PARCEL_MEDIA_COMMAND_PLAY]);
2018-04-15 16:42 <Tampa> Those are part of the media settings permission set for group role permissions
2018-04-15 16:43 <Ubit> yes.. parcel deed to group think its a lot safer
2018-04-15 16:43 <smxy> Okay, so that pute me back to creating a group, deeding the parcel to the group and adding them to the group, yes?
2018-04-15 16:43 <Ubit> and should work
2018-04-15 16:43 <Tampa> yes
2018-04-15 16:43 <smxy> ok
2018-04-15 16:44 <Ubit> ( if i did not messed up permissions :p )
2018-04-15 16:44 <Ubit> err that is on 0.9x right ?
2018-04-15 16:44 <smxy> I tried to create a group the other day and it failed for whatever reason. I'm comfortable editing the DB, so it should be simple enough to do there too, I think. (I'll back it up, first, LOL).
2018-04-15 16:44 <Tampa> That should not fail
2018-04-15 16:44 <smxy> Yes, it's on an older 0.9 dev
2018-04-15 16:45 <Tampa> Group creation has been working for a few versions now, it should not fail unless something isn't properly connected
2018-04-15 16:45 <smxy> Oh, no, it wasn't creation, sorry. Tried to add someone to group and couldn't, no invite
2018-04-15 16:46 <Ubit> add a few members at a time
2018-04-15 16:46 <smxy> I found them in the picker, seected them, but had no option to send invite.
2018-04-15 16:46 <Tampa> That's normal, the group tab somehow gets unloaded when opening the resident chooser
2018-04-15 16:46 <Ubit> many ... may fail
2018-04-15 16:46 <smxy> So how do I add them?
2018-04-15 16:46 <Tampa> Through right clicking on them and selecting add to group
2018-04-15 16:46 <Tampa> Through contacts window or on avatar
2018-04-15 16:46 <smxy> ah, thanks
2018-04-15 16:47 <Ubit> they need to accept.. it is a invite
2018-04-15 16:47 <smxy> ok
2018-04-15 16:47 <Tampa> I think I told Ubit about that resident chooser unloading thing not sure if that has been fixed or if its a viewer issue, might be
2018-04-15 16:47 <smxy> Thanks. I'll go off and try this now.
2018-04-15 16:48 <Ubit> yes viewer do a mess with groups tabs :(
2018-04-15 16:48 <smxy> Good to know. I thought it was me or opensim that was meessing up.
2018-04-15 16:48 <Ubit> on list we may need to do refresh to actually see members etc
2018-04-15 16:48 <Ubit> i had a fight with that.. still not good :(
2018-04-15 16:49 <Ubit> well fs at least..
2018-04-15 17:08 <smxy> Okay, I changed the late owner's password, logged in as him, created a group and deeded the parcel to the group. How can I see/verify that it is, indeed, deeded to the group?
2018-04-15 17:09 <smxy> I've never done this before. :)
2018-04-15 17:10 <smxy> Oh, I see. When I go back into parcel setting, it shows the group I set the land to and it says it ia group owned.
2018-04-15 17:13 <smxy> I don't see how to add them to the group. They are both in his contacts list, but if I right-click on them I don't see an add to group option. What am I doing wrong?
2018-04-15 17:14 <smxy> I'm using FS
2018-04-15 17:19 <Plugh> smxy: If all that is needed is to add a radio device I think it is the only thing that needs to be deeded.
2018-04-15 17:22 <Plugh> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlSetParcelMusicURL says -> The object owner must also be the land owner. If the land is deeded to a  group the object will need to be deeded to the same group for this  function to work.
2018-04-15 17:23 <smxy> Yes, plugh. We already covered all of that. I just need to get the two people added to the group, now.
2018-04-15 17:23 <smxy> Keep up. :)
2018-04-15 17:23 <Plugh> There was a lot of text there for that simple conclusion. :)
2018-04-15 17:24 <Plugh> There is another option. Use the land owners account. Have someone log in as the previous owner to place the radio device.
2018-04-15 17:25 <smxy> Plugh. Did you not hear what I said? I'm past all that. All I need to do is figure out how to add people to the group. 
2018-04-15 17:26 <smxy> It was suggested - if I understood correctly - that I could right-click on them in contacts and add them to the group. I'm not seeing how to do that however.
2018-04-15 17:31 <smxy> Trying a different browser.
2018-04-15 17:31 <smxy> viewer*
2018-04-15 17:33 <smxy> Alchemy actually has an option to invite someone to a group, by right-click on them in the contacts list. 
2018-04-15 17:46 <Ubit> guess they all have
2018-04-15 17:46 <Ubit> and think its invite not add
2018-04-15 17:47 <smxy> I saw nothing like that in Firestorm, but my version is one or two back from current.
2018-04-15 17:48 <smxy> But Alchemy worked. :)
2018-04-15 17:48 <smxy> Just waiting on them to login and test that they can do everything the need to, now.
2018-04-15 17:48 <smxy> Thank you Ubit, and Tampa, for your help.
2018-04-15 18:34 <velus> hey how does the viewer get the profile info including the profile pic? what way does it get it?
2018-04-15 18:34 <Ubit> it asks regiosn :p
2018-04-15 18:35 <BillBlight> It gets the info from the [profile] section which tells it where to look and just pulls the assets like any other asset
2018-04-15 18:36 <velus> ok so is there no way to do that via http? like you can with assets?
2018-04-15 18:37 <Ubit> normal profile no, it uses lludp protocol
2018-04-15 18:37 <Ubit> well if i remember :)
2018-04-15 18:38 <BillBlight> it can slow the region down but you can pull the profile pic, but you need a php to query the db for the uuid, of the user, then the uuid of the profile pic then you can display it via the CAPS
2018-04-15 18:38 <velus> and how would i display it via cpas? if i had the uuid
2018-04-15 18:39 <BillBlight> same way youpull any other asset, hang on let me see if I can find my files
2018-04-15 18:40 <velus> got it now
2018-04-15 18:40 <Ubit> viewers can show webprofiles, but that is external code ( and diferent profiles )
2018-04-15 18:40 <velus> im just trying to find a way to be able to get profile pic for a board inworld
2018-04-15 18:40 <Ubit> oh that is a asset
2018-04-15 18:41 <Ubit> think there is some lsl to get its uuid 
2018-04-15 18:41 <Ubit> or not ?
2018-04-15 18:41 <velus> i dont thinkso i have looked around for it
2018-04-15 18:42 <Ubit> well possible not we do have several profile modules..
2018-04-15 18:42 <Ubit> so well confusing :)
2018-04-15 18:44 <velus> yeah i know. 
2018-04-15 18:46 <Ubit> https://forums.osgrid.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3840&p=17167&hilit=profile+pic+on+a+prim#p17167
2018-04-15 18:46 <Ubit> for osgrid case
2018-04-15 18:47 <Ubit> think was similar at sl
2018-04-15 18:48 <Ubit> just other http url, of course :)
2018-04-15 18:48 <Tampa> You can pull profile pic from asset server via the profile data using the uuid of the image, but you need to find a way to convert the jpeg200 into a readable format and there is no library that does that you need to write your own unfortunately
2018-04-15 18:49 <djphil_> For inworld you need only the uuid
2018-04-15 18:49 <djphil_> (pic uuid)
2018-04-15 18:49 <djphil_> via name2key.php
2018-04-15 18:53 <BillBlight> well then you have to lookup that key in the db to find the uuid of the profile pic
2018-04-15 19:02 <djphil_> I hope that tx0h will also think of admin_copy_model for radmin :)
2018-04-15 19:04 <djphil_> or somethink like admin_change_model or admin_remplace_model
2018-04-15 19:05 <djphil_> He has the choice :p
2018-04-15 19:08 <BillBlight> Velus you have a PM
2018-04-15 19:10 <velus> thanks BillBlight 
2018-04-15 21:08 <osmantis> Bug #8316:04 System.ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Index was out of range. Must be non-negative and less than the size of the collection. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8316 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-04-15 21:13 <BillBlight> ^^  that error looks to be caused by the openprofile module
2018-04-15 21:15 <Ubit> yeap
2018-04-15 21:15 <BillBlight> almost willing to bet the ones throwing the error have no profile stored ... but maybe not
2018-04-15 21:23 <osmantis> Bug #8316:04 System.ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Index was out of range. Must be non-negative and less than the size of the collection. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8316 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-04-15 21:30 <Tampa> teleport user <first-name> <last-name> <destination> what exactly goes into destination?
2018-04-15 21:31 <BillBlight> for instance "Sim Name/128/128/21"
2018-04-15 21:32 <Tampa> thx
2018-04-15 21:32 <BillBlight> help teleport user
2018-04-15 21:32 <BillBlight> teleport user <first-name> <last-name> <destination>
2018-04-15 21:32 <BillBlight> Teleport a user in this simulator to the given destination
2018-04-15 21:32 <BillBlight> <destination> is in format [<region-name>]/<x>/<y>/<z>, e.g. regionone/20/30/40 or just 20/30/40 to teleport within same region.
2018-04-15 21:32 <BillBlight> If the region contains a space then the whole destination must be in quotes, e.g. "region one/20/30/40"
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2018-04-16 02:03 <Tampa> So, privacy... would it be possible to de-render avatars and objects on a parcel upon changing the permissions to disallow anyone but the owner or owner group to access the parcel, effectively making everything and everyone vanish from outside view? Or is that not possible with the current code structure?
2018-04-16 02:12 <Ubit> there is a option to jide avatars on a parcel ( from avn code )
2018-04-16 02:12 <Ubit> same as sl
2018-04-16 02:13 <BillBlight> yeah only works for avatars
2018-04-16 02:31 <tx0h> hello! hey ubit, cool patch. i need to try httptests. is it worth to switch now? or will it become part of main soonish?
2018-04-16 02:35 <Ubit> it is our dev branch
2018-04-16 02:44 <tx0h> Ubit: ok. but i'm actually on the main. i could switch over to dev branch
2018-04-16 02:46 <tx0h> but this only makes sense, if it takes ages to get the new features into main
2018-04-16 02:46 <Ubit> we can merge httptests into master for now :(
2018-04-16 02:48 <tx0h> can or can't ?
2018-04-16 02:52 <Ubit> oops can't
2018-04-16 02:54 <tx0h> what makes it impossible to get it over?
2018-04-16 03:04 <Ubit> jenkins and mono on our box does not suport .net4.6 ( its on mono 2.10 )
2018-04-16 03:07 <tx0h> i use Mono JIT compiler version 4.6.2 (Debian 4.6.2.7+dfsg-1) on an arm7 platform, that should go thru then..
2018-04-16 03:07 <Ubit> not sure that suports .net4.6 either
2018-04-16 03:08 <BillBlight> 4.6 does not , I think 5.x is the first to do .net4.6
2018-04-16 03:12 <tx0h> aw
2018-04-16 03:37 <tx0h> yes, just .net 4.0 :-/
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2018-04-16 16:12 <osmantis> Bug #8317:04 Error getting response stream (ReadDone2): ReceiveFailure 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8317 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-04-16 16:29 <osmantis> Bug #8317:04 Error getting response stream (ReadDone2): ReceiveFailure 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8317 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-04-16 16:31 <osmantis> Bug #8317:04 Error getting response stream (ReadDone2): ReceiveFailure 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8317 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-04-16 16:32 <Tampa> inb4 files another mantis once mono 5.10 starts leaking memory like crazy
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2018-04-17 02:02 <osmantis> Bug #8316:04 System.ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Index was out of range. Must be non-negative and less than the size of the collection. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8316 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-04-17 05:12 <osmantis> Bug #8302:04 Convergence India 2018 Expo commences 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8302 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-04-17 05:15 <osmantis> Bug #8302:04 Convergence India 2018 Expo commences 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8302 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-04-17 05:15 <osmantis> Bug #8302:04 Convergence India 2018 Expo commences 14(  ): has been DELETED.
2018-04-17 06:38 <osmantis> Bug #8318:04 osNpc* functions are broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8318 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-04-17 07:02 <osmantis> Bug #8318:04 osNpc* functions are broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8318 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-04-17 13:36 <BillBlight> love it when people declare something "broken" when doing absolutely no investigation or testing ....
2018-04-17 13:36 <BillBlight> NOT
2018-04-17 14:42 <tx0h> my moped fuse corroded.
2018-04-17 14:43 <tx0h> didn't melt, just corroded.
2018-04-17 15:13 <osmantis> Bug #8318:04 osNpc* functions are broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8318 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-04-17 15:13 <osmantis> Bug #8318:04 osNpc* functions are broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8318 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-04-17 15:32 <BillBlight> my scooter did the same thing this spring, went out and the fuse for the lights was corroded ...
2018-04-17 17:17 <Melanie_T> tx0h: that is why it's called a moped
2018-04-17 17:18 <Melanie_T> motorized there, per pedes back
2018-04-17 17:31 <tx0h> Melanie_T: it's called simson schwalbe :-)
2018-04-17 17:32 <tx0h> BillBlight: i need to make the fuse housing water tight, the rain always runs down the cable, i think
2018-04-17 17:39 <osmantis> Bug #8319:04 Error getting response stream (ReadDone2): ReceiveFailure 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8319 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-04-17 17:40 <Ubit> err again ?
2018-04-17 17:45 <Ubit> that does sound like low level mono tcp issue no ?
2018-04-17 17:51 <BillBlight> Well, never seen this and I have 100 + regions running, so , it is very strange
2018-04-17 17:51 <Ubit> well it says its more than 6 or so per instance
2018-04-17 17:53 <BillBlight> Yeah , don't do that anymore, one instance per region , unless testing but even then never seen it on my test instances running multiple regions
2018-04-17 17:54 <BillBlight> hell it could be a firewall issue , sounds like the port is being blocked, that would be my first guess
2018-04-17 17:54 <Ubit> or that is
2018-04-17 17:54 <Ubit> yes
2018-04-17 17:55 <tx0h> i get this readdone2 receive failure as well. running 9 regions in standalone
2018-04-17 17:55 <Ubit> as i said my internal router does get mad sometines also
2018-04-17 17:55 <Ubit> but its odd :(
2018-04-17 17:56 <tx0h> when i relog fast after i logged out i need to try 2 or 3 times
2018-04-17 17:56 <Ubit> multi regions per instance has tons of issues.. but did not expect that 
2018-04-17 17:57 <tx0h> but i don't need to restart the sim
2018-04-17 17:57 <Ubit> soundls also as full FDs
2018-04-17 17:58 <Ubit> the region fails to create a new fd to handle the connection ????
2018-04-17 17:58 <Ubit> but only 9 ??  odd
2018-04-17 17:58 <tx0h> don't know. haven't investigated it so far
2018-04-17 17:58 <Ubit> are you on httptests now ?
2018-04-17 17:59 <tx0h> nope, i can't because there is no mono 5.1 for my platform
2018-04-17 17:59 <tx0h> but i've applied your create user patch :-)
2018-04-17 17:59 <Ubit> well makes no sense... no reports about error on first login, so the respective tcp cons should had been closed
2018-04-17 18:00 <Ubit> well master mau stil have wrong keep alives, that its httpserver really does not handle well
2018-04-17 18:00 <tx0h> i have a similar issue with the rest console, i told Melanie_T the day before yday
2018-04-17 18:00 <Ubit> did you got httptests branch working now ?
2018-04-17 18:01 <tx0h> when a user logs off, i get a econnreset
2018-04-17 18:01 <tx0h> while i real out the console buffer
2018-04-17 18:02 <tx0h> ubit: as i said: no, because there is no mono 5.1 for my platform yet
2018-04-17 18:02 <BillBlight> sounds like it could be overflowing the default UDP buffers, that may cause it, or the TCP ones, if you don't increase those, the defaults are pretty anemic on debian, and most linux platforms
2018-04-17 18:02 <Ubit> can be mono 5.0.x :p
2018-04-17 18:02 <Ubit> thats tcp not udp bill
2018-04-17 18:02 <tx0h> even that isn't available. i'm on arm7
2018-04-17 18:03 <Ubit> what machine ?
2018-04-17 18:03 <tx0h> tinkerboard
2018-04-17 18:03 <BillBlight> well if tx0h is getting on his arm platform with older mono, then it is not mono
2018-04-17 18:03 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid.
2018-04-17 18:03 <Ubit> hmm not sure i want to go to more meetings :p
2018-04-17 18:04 <tx0h> BillBlight: but in the mantis, the guy says, he needs to restart the sim. i don't need to do this.
2018-04-17 18:04 <tx0h> ubit, but you have to :-)
2018-04-17 18:04 <Ubit> possible he just did not wait
2018-04-17 18:05 <Tampa> The initial mono 5 release did not play well with OpenSim, neither does 4.8, either use 4.3 4.2 or 5.4 for best results, also armhf tends to have some trouble with certain network configuration since the ports are not always working as well as they should
2018-04-17 18:05 <Ubit> those things main have timeouts of order of minutes
2018-04-17 18:05 <Ubit> ...may...
2018-04-17 18:06 <tx0h> i have mono 4.6
2018-04-17 18:06 <Ubit> think several 4.x where a fail :(
2018-04-17 18:07 <Tampa> Likely, 4.3.2 and 4.2 where stable, so is 5.4.1
2018-04-17 18:07 <Tampa> 4.6 probably to 5.0 were not happy ones
2018-04-17 18:08 <Tampa> 5.10 is also borked leaking memory like nobodies business for some reason
2018-04-17 18:09 <BillBlight> I don't see 5.10 leaking memory .. but you do tend to have issues that others don't tampa
2018-04-17 18:09 <Ubit> bill its tampa :p
2018-04-17 18:09 <Ubit> so tampa issues :p
2018-04-17 18:10 <Tampa> 5.10 on ubuntu 16 will leak, I tested a couple days ago on a bone stock ubuntu install on a vm, once it gets started and that takes a day or two it will run away with memory
2018-04-17 18:10 <BillBlight> Not seeing that, but not doubting you are seening it
2018-04-17 18:11 <BillBlight> but I only have one server still on 16 so not a lot of testing it
2018-04-17 18:11 <Tampa> Either a standard gc issue or network, seems to be accelerated the more network usage it sees
2018-04-17 18:12 <Tampa> Restarting the OpenSim instances only yields temporary solution, they creep up pretty quickly afterwards, thinking this has to do with some files or data mono keeps cached somewhere
2018-04-17 18:13 <Tampa> Makes no sense how else even after rebooting the machine it still gets up to high usage so quickly
2018-04-17 18:13 <Tampa> I removed and purged 5.10 from prod and moved down to 5.4.1, memory usage returned to the normal levels I used to see
2018-04-17 18:14 <BillBlight> 
ACTION repeats what Ubit said ... [14:09] <Ubit> bill its tampa :p

2018-04-17 18:14 <BillBlight> [14:09] <Ubit> so tampa issues :p
2018-04-17 18:14 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-04-17 18:14 <BillBlight> :P
2018-04-17 18:14 <Tampa> What is odd though is that I still see a lot of heartbeat timeouts, haven't tracked down whats up with that yet
2018-04-17 18:16 <BillBlight> I haven't seen a heartbeat timeout in ages
2018-04-17 18:16 <Ubit> ( do not forget bill is on httptests plus a bit of his broken code changes... )
2018-04-17 18:16 <Ubit> :p
2018-04-17 18:16 <BillBlight> HAHA .. yeah 
2018-04-17 18:17 <Tampa> I stuck pretty close to httptests
2018-04-17 18:17 <Tampa> Do see this on normal httptests too though so not sure of the cause
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2018-04-17 20:35 <Ubit> even offensive
2018-04-17 20:35 <Ubit> oops not here :)
2018-04-17 23:37 <tx0h> what is [EXTENDED PHSICS] and how do i enable this?
2018-04-17 23:39 <Ubit> guess a lost idea ??
2018-04-17 23:40 <Ubit> hmm not even sure what it does lol
2018-04-17 23:41 <Ubit> bullet thingy
2018-04-17 23:43 <Ubit> yeap features that match anything main code controls
2018-04-17 23:46 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/BulletSim/ScriptFunctions
2018-04-17 23:51 <tx0h> i have a question. i ty ubode on my tinkerboard and it works ok so far
2018-04-17 23:52 <tx0h> but the tau param of llMovoToTarget seems to have no influence
2018-04-17 23:52 <Ubit> ubode does not that those functions..
2018-04-17 23:53 <tx0h> the object never reach the target range of 0.2
2018-04-17 23:53 <tx0h> ty=try
2018-04-17 23:54 <Ubit> well it was working
2018-04-17 23:54 <BillBlight> I use it on one of my physical elevators
2018-04-17 23:54 <tx0h> i used to use target move for elevators and stuff
2018-04-17 23:54 <BillBlight> and it seems to work fine
2018-04-17 23:55 <tx0h> ok, then it's maybe the tinkerboards fault.
2018-04-17 23:57 <tx0h> on the other hand, i have a iron fist to commit suicide every now and then. this seems to have more power than normal ode
2018-04-18 00:00 <tx0h> elevator script fixed
2018-04-18 00:00 <tx0h> works now
2018-04-18 00:01 <tx0h> nice! i have a updated physics engine!
2018-04-18 00:01 <Ubit> was a script issue ?
2018-04-18 00:01 <tx0h> i need to make some tests with my virtual physics synth
2018-04-18 00:02 <tx0h> yes, i forgot to set physics false in state_entry
2018-04-18 00:03 <tx0h> it kept physical status after reset, which was odd for the elevator.
2018-04-18 00:03 <Ubit> it should only work on physics or attachments if i remember
2018-04-18 00:03 <BillBlight> ubODE, has a bonus, you can be physical phantom, comes in handy for elevators
2018-04-18 00:03 <BillBlight> jsut collides with ground
2018-04-18 00:04 <tx0h> yes, but on a script reset i llSetPos it to original position.
2018-04-18 00:05 <tx0h> i connected some physics via cs script to fluidsynth (a soundfont2 synth)
2018-04-18 00:05 <Ubit> physcs phaton do have physics  :)
2018-04-18 00:05 <Ubit> they do collide with ground
2018-04-18 00:06 <tx0h> at least they don't go below z=0
2018-04-18 00:08 <tx0h> funtastic. i'm really happy to re-discover opensim.
2018-04-18 00:11 <tx0h> does it help to cache the physics hull? i have a huge mesh building complex
2018-04-18 00:13 <Ubit> hmm ?
2018-04-18 00:13 <Ubit> physics mesh part should be SMALL
2018-04-18 00:14 <Ubit> or even better set to physics type none :p
2018-04-18 00:14 <tx0h> i mean the meshcache
2018-04-18 00:14 <Ubit> and walls made by prims
2018-04-18 00:14 <Ubit> hmm ubode does that 
2018-04-18 00:15 <Ubit> MeshCache is ubode cache of physics meshs it created ( or ubMeshmerizer did actually )
2018-04-18 00:15 <tx0h> ah, yes. i see the directory now
2018-04-18 00:16 <Ubit> but on al physics the shape should be small
2018-04-18 00:16 <tx0h> 5.7MB
2018-04-18 00:17 <Ubit> making the physics type none and adding invible prims for collision is a good option
2018-04-18 00:17 <Ubit> just a pain :)
2018-04-18 00:17 <Ubit> true spheres are the faster colliders
2018-04-18 00:17 <Ubit> then boxes any x y z
2018-04-18 00:18 <Ubit> but NO torture
2018-04-18 00:18 <tx0h> i use mesh because it is impossible to do it with prims.
2018-04-18 00:18 <Ubit> if you are good on blender or similar you can either make a mesh for physics
2018-04-18 00:19 <Ubit> keeping only things that matter to collisions
2018-04-18 00:19 <tx0h> yes, i know. reduced models
2018-04-18 00:19 <Ubit> for example windoes that do not open..   need no hole there
2018-04-18 00:19 <tx0h> but in buildings all walls and floors matter
2018-04-18 00:19 <Ubit> just that saves a ton of tris
2018-04-18 00:20 <tx0h> i just have doors
2018-04-18 00:20 <Ubit> err a remember ubode is single side collider only
2018-04-18 00:20 <Ubit> a wall to colide both sides needs a surface per side
2018-04-18 00:20 <Ubit> or ceiling/floor
2018-04-18 00:21 <tx0h> my meshes are solid
2018-04-18 00:21 <Ubit> ( same as viewers rendering.. backside of surfaces are not seen
2018-04-18 00:21 <Ubit> i did add some exceptions for avatars.. but.. yeackkk
2018-04-18 00:22 <tx0h> oh, wait. i can go thru walls
2018-04-18 00:22 <Ubit> adding double side collisions increases instabilities possibilities
2018-04-18 00:22 <tx0h> but not thru doors
2018-04-18 00:22 <tx0h> funny
2018-04-18 00:22 <Ubit> nice house lol
2018-04-18 00:23 <Ubit> you do have the dae right ?
2018-04-18 00:23 <tx0h> thats a show stopper
2018-04-18 00:23 <tx0h> yes
2018-04-18 00:24 <Ubit> well ppl do uploads with bad options
2018-04-18 00:24 <Ubit> and bullet did allowed some.. 
2018-04-18 00:24 <tx0h> i guess i need to have two dae's one with inverted normals
2018-04-18 00:24 <Ubit> check the physics shape type
2018-04-18 00:24 <Ubit> that does it show ?
2018-04-18 00:25 <Ubit> ( if a linkset see wall )
2018-04-18 00:25 <Ubit> does it have the 3 options or just one ?
2018-04-18 00:25 <Ubit> oops 2
2018-04-18 00:25 <tx0h> what do you mean? convex hull
2018-04-18 00:26 <Ubit> well that is another diference.. convex hull does work on ubOde
2018-04-18 00:26 <tx0h> i set it to prim
2018-04-18 00:26 <Ubit> ok
2018-04-18 00:26 <tx0h> seems to make it better
2018-04-18 00:26 <Ubit> yeap on a house tou need it to be prim
2018-04-18 00:27 <Ubit> Unless a closed house.. then convex is nice :)
2018-04-18 00:27 <Ubit> a invisible box even better
2018-04-18 00:28 <tx0h> ok. in some walls i penetrate to the middle but didn't fanish
2018-04-18 00:28 <Ubit> you do understand what convex  prim and none mean right ?
2018-04-18 00:28 <tx0h> vanish
2018-04-18 00:28 <Ubit> mesh normals much ne right
2018-04-18 00:28 <tx0h> i saw a video.. wait
2018-04-18 00:28 <Ubit> you need to make sure the normals are right on the model
2018-04-18 00:28 <tx0h> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_V0UlkmkFA
2018-04-18 00:29 <Ubit> ( those define from and back of the surface )
2018-04-18 00:29 <Ubit> front..
2018-04-18 00:29 <Ubit> yeap know that video
2018-04-18 00:29 <Ubit> but ubOde does those things almost like SL
2018-04-18 00:30 <Ubit> jsut Sl havok does double side collisions if a remember, so lett sensitive to wrong normals
2018-04-18 00:30 <Ubit> blender has a comand to recalc normals if i remember
2018-04-18 00:30 <tx0h> because bullet is no option for me, ubode is. thank you.
2018-04-18 00:30 <Ubit> ( but may fail =
2018-04-18 00:31 <tx0h> i use it often (recalc normals)
2018-04-18 00:31 <Ubit> and remember.. if you do set a normal prim convex it will be convex on unOde
2018-04-18 00:31 <Ubit> ie no hollow some cuts gone..
2018-04-18 00:32 <tx0h> cool
2018-04-18 00:32 <Ubit> that is part of the confusion ppl have changing to ubode
2018-04-18 00:32 <tx0h> i need to sleep now and sort out all options in my dream
2018-04-18 00:32 <Ubit> that did nothing before
2018-04-18 00:33 <Ubit> and do not bother me!!!
2018-04-18 00:33 <Ubit> it is as it is.. unless you do find a real bug :p
2018-04-18 00:33 <Ubit> many meshes will not work, because where not uploaded right
2018-04-18 00:33 <Ubit> oops gone :p
2018-04-18 00:33 <tx0h_> oops, my daily dsl disconnect hits
2018-04-18 00:34 <Ubit> ahh
2018-04-18 00:34 <Ubit> :)
2018-04-18 00:34 <Ubit> i had discussed those meshes issues just 2 many times
2018-04-18 00:34 <Ubit> it is as it IS :P
2018-04-18 00:34 <tx0h_> it is ok
2018-04-18 00:35 <tx0h_> i can live with it. pretty well
2018-04-18 00:35 <Ubit> the only thing i really think its a issue its the double side
2018-04-18 00:35 <Ubit> but that is important for performance and stabilty
2018-04-18 00:35 <tx0h_> i normaly solidify my objects
2018-04-18 00:35 <Ubit> all sl prims do have have 2 sides
2018-04-18 00:35 <tx0h_> yes
2018-04-18 00:36 <Ubit> bc viewers are like ubOde  ignore backsides
2018-04-18 00:36 <tx0h_> i know. i'm one of the first with a mesh avatar
2018-04-18 00:36 <tx0h_> a bsd devil.
2018-04-18 00:36 <Ubit> :)
2018-04-18 00:36 <Ubit> avatars as i said can collide both sides
2018-04-18 00:37 <tx0h_> i also got a sl hypergrid traveler trophy :-)
2018-04-18 00:37 <Ubit> but i do not like that code.. and shows instabilities on some corners 
2018-04-18 00:37 <Ubit> well double side appart ubOde is more like sl than bullet
2018-04-18 00:37 <tx0h> yes, i sink in one wall to my half. but thats ok
2018-04-18 00:38 <Ubit> well not bc it matters to be like SL.. but bc its right and makes sense :)
2018-04-18 00:38 <tx0h> 
ACTION nods

2018-04-18 00:38 <Ubit> that meeting and the after talks still on my nerves
2018-04-18 00:38 <tx0h> there is no one-side wall.
2018-04-18 00:39 <Ubit> yes.. but remember normals do matter when modeling
2018-04-18 00:39 <tx0h> yes, i know.
2018-04-18 00:39 <Ubit> well you need them right for the visible mesh anyways :)
2018-04-18 00:39 <tx0h> i often use it on foreign models
2018-04-18 00:40 <Ubit> and avoid the analize step on upload
2018-04-18 00:40 <Ubit> viewers do a mess
2018-04-18 00:40 <tx0h> i never did that
2018-04-18 00:40 <tx0h> and i know when to use low physics and when not
2018-04-18 00:40 <Ubit> ( and the resultinng mesh is not native for ubOde.. will do it.. but needs more work )
2018-04-18 00:40 <Ubit> good :)
2018-04-18 00:41 <tx0h> and believe me. i need multiple uploads for my building
2018-04-18 00:41 <Ubit> uff viewers do fail so much
2018-04-18 00:41 <tx0h> without singularity it would be a mess
2018-04-18 00:41 <Ubit> there is a feature to upload test meshs
2018-04-18 00:41 <Ubit> its confusing
2018-04-18 00:42 <Ubit> but it is possible to upload a mesh that is not stored on grid assets
2018-04-18 00:42 <Ubit> ( and free upload )
2018-04-18 00:42 <Ubit> you just prefix the name with TEST-
2018-04-18 00:42 <tx0h> aha? but it's not visible to everyone, then?
2018-04-18 00:43 <Ubit> having a option set :)
2018-04-18 00:43 <Ubit> it is.. bc its on region caches
2018-04-18 00:43 <tx0h> interessting. have to check that out
2018-04-18 00:43 <Ubit> just yhe inventory entry is a fail
2018-04-18 00:43 <Ubit> will only work on that region
2018-04-18 00:43 <Ubit> ( unless the mesh got into viewer cache also )
2018-04-18 00:43 <Ubit> so its a hack i did add on avn
2018-04-18 00:43 <tx0h> i have to play with it.
2018-04-18 00:44 <Ubit> but think was not used there  bc mesh uploads was free if i remember
2018-04-18 00:44 <tx0h> but now i need to learn by sleeping
2018-04-18 00:44 <Ubit> but it also saves the grid dbs
2018-04-18 00:44 <Ubit> avoind some trash to get in
2018-04-18 00:45 <Ubit> i may try to rework that on httptests
2018-04-18 00:45 <Ubit> bc  testing meshes may req a ton of rubish uploads
2018-04-18 00:45 <tx0h> yes, i mean.. the complex fills about half of my 1024x1024 region
2018-04-18 00:45 <Ubit> outch
2018-04-18 00:46 <tx0h> it's a town for about 1000 people.
2018-04-18 00:46 <Ubit> :)
2018-04-18 00:46 <tx0h> i wish we could have so many concurent users in a region
2018-04-18 00:46 <Ubit> dream :p
2018-04-18 00:46 <Tampa> We could
2018-04-18 00:47 <tx0h> tampa?
2018-04-18 00:47 <Tampa> distributed scene graph or rather a new implementation of that, distributing the load to more than one OpenSim instance
2018-04-18 00:48 <tx0h> sounds neat. but how many instances does it need?
2018-04-18 00:49 <Tampa> For 1000 people... probably like 20 or so
2018-04-18 00:49 <tx0h> i have no clue how many avatars could fit on my armv7l
2018-04-18 00:49 <Ubit> guess you are happy having one :P
2018-04-18 00:49 <tx0h> tampa. thats an interesting number. this is about 4 or 6 servers
2018-04-18 00:50 <Ubit> by instance you mean full machine, if performance is what you want
2018-04-18 00:50 <tx0h> ubit: really. most grids are soooo empty
2018-04-18 00:51 <Ubit> well at least distributed by machines acording to expected avatar density
2018-04-18 00:52 <Ubit> lanscape parts can be packed more on same box
2018-04-18 00:52 <Tampa> Easy math really, 1mbit per person so at least gigabit to get the needed bandwidth. 50mb of memory per user, depending on what they wear and so on, 1vCore for 10 people
2018-04-18 00:52 <tx0h> a lot of people do a massive work on there regions and nobody sees it. it's a pitty. without a web based frontend it's so hard to get attractive
2018-04-18 00:52 <Ubit> jsut our scenes are fixed size 256m ( well or more )
2018-04-18 00:52 <Ubit> petty they still need to be square
2018-04-18 00:52 <Tampa> So at least a 10 core Xeon if not more, 64-96 gb memory
2018-04-18 00:53 <Ubit> viewers only like square regions
2018-04-18 00:53 <Ubit> 10 single core machines are better for this than that xeon :p
2018-04-18 00:54 <tx0h> ubit: my virtual world must be a sphere :-)
2018-04-18 00:54 <Ubit> multicores marketing driven myths.. bahh
2018-04-18 00:54 <Tampa> It would probably be best to get a couple single U servers and rack them up yeah
2018-04-18 00:55 <tx0h> i would say you could also use arm cpu's
2018-04-18 00:55 <tx0h> it's cheaper. at use less power
2018-04-18 00:55 <Ubit> don't think arms did reach intel or amd performance pre price
2018-04-18 00:56 <Ubit> well neb does run regions on a low cost raspPI
2018-04-18 00:56 <tx0h> tinkerboard is a like the new raspberry 3b+
2018-04-18 00:57 <Tampa> It's like SLI, it does not scale well, you would likely need more arm machines costing more than just getting a few used servers
2018-04-18 00:57 <Ubit> but cpu is gone with just a simple car driving around :(
2018-04-18 00:57 <Tampa> the overhead of running OS on so many machines, networking and all that
2018-04-18 00:58 <Ubit> the fight of 10 cores tring to read/write same memory.. yeackkk
2018-04-18 00:58 <tx0h> 1000 avi's are also a challenge for the viewer
2018-04-18 00:58 <tx0h> btw
2018-04-18 00:59 <Ubit> specially mesh ones
2018-04-18 00:59 <Tampa> Well thats what the max visible avatars thing in the graphics settings is for
2018-04-18 00:59 <Ubit> a very bad sl idea imo
2018-04-18 00:59 <Ubit> they should had improved ruth
2018-04-18 00:59 <tx0h> my standalone has 4 ccores. and i run ubode without ulimit :-p
2018-04-18 00:59 <Ubit> they added impostors to fake a bit
2018-04-18 01:00 <Ubit> ulimit is needed
2018-04-18 01:00 <Ubit> ubode abuses stack
2018-04-18 01:00 <tx0h> for me, it looks well
2018-04-18 01:00 <Ubit> puts tons and tons of working vars on stack
2018-04-18 01:00 <tx0h> but i'm alone on my region
2018-04-18 01:00 <Ubit> it may blow up on a complex collition
2018-04-18 01:01 <Ubit> collision
2018-04-18 01:01 <tx0h> do you need some stats?
2018-04-18 01:01 <Ubit> well you will notice in a very clean way :p
2018-04-18 01:01 <Ubit> ( lets say i did crash full win10 messing with that :p )
2018-04-18 01:02 <Ubit> have to power down the pc to recover :p
2018-04-18 01:02 <Ubit> had..
2018-04-18 01:02 <Ubit> stack overruns can be ugly :)
2018-04-18 01:03 <tx0h> when i'm ready, i will invite you all.
2018-04-18 01:03 <tx0h> but it takes 2 more month, i guess
2018-04-18 01:04 <tx0h> all on my little, 50eur tinkerboard with 4W usage
2018-04-18 01:04 <Ubit> uff my i7 alone on iddle takes 10w :p
2018-04-18 01:05 <Ubit> well acording to the tool im using
2018-04-18 01:05 <tx0h> most work is done in the client.
2018-04-18 01:05 <Tampa> 4800W PSU in my testserver
2018-04-18 01:05 <Ubit> 50W 100% load
2018-04-18 01:05 <Tampa> Hurts the wallet
2018-04-18 01:05 <tx0h> a lot of power goes in the wireless. i should attach it to the ethernet.
2018-04-18 01:06 <Ubit> wireless is also worse
2018-04-18 01:06 <Tampa> oh yes so much worse
2018-04-18 01:06 <Ubit> specially if you start yr microwave oven :)
2018-04-18 01:06 <tx0h> i know. the router is two rooms away
2018-04-18 01:06 <Tampa> 98% of complaints regarding "lag" are because people are on wifi
2018-04-18 01:07 <tx0h> tampa: they are all noobs
2018-04-18 01:07 <Ubit> wireless performance is another marketing myth
2018-04-18 01:07 <tx0h> ok. i need to sleep now.
2018-04-18 01:07 <tx0h> bye
2018-04-18 01:07 <Ubit> works ok  if you are alone...  and no blutooth no microwave no rf alarms etc etc
2018-04-18 01:08 <Ubit> the 2.4Ghz band is not large and shared by a lot of things
2018-04-18 03:47 <djphil> Hi tx0h , i'm testing your node.js RestConsole but getting a error, connection refused.
2018-04-18 03:47 <djphil> https://pastebin.com/ZUYj96TS
2018-04-18 03:47 <djphil> Any idea how to solve ?
2018-04-18 03:48 <Tampa> Why do you willingly subject yourself to nodejs o_O
2018-04-18 03:49 <Ubit> think he went slepp
2018-04-18 03:49 <Ubit> and sleep
2018-04-18 03:51 <Tampa> More to the point why the hell are you awake at this hour, its 5am
2018-04-18 03:51 <djphil> I'm interested in the nodejs approach for Restconsole
2018-04-18 03:52 <djphil> tampa, it seems you do not sleep either
2018-04-18 03:54 <Tampa> I just sleep for 10 hours and stay awake for 16, you do the math
2018-04-18 03:56 <djphil> a kind of zombie
2018-04-18 03:57 <Tampa> Welcome to the world of IT
2018-04-18 04:03 <Ubit> 
ACTION does not have enouth fingers on hands for that math

2018-04-18 04:15 <Tampa> You have more than 8 do hex
2018-04-18 06:22 <tx0h> morning
2018-04-18 06:50 <tx0h> djphil: well. maybe the ip address is wrong, or the port. or the sim isn't up? things like this? there is also a final version, in the wiki is just a first draft. try this one: https://github.com/tx0h/opensim-rest-console/blob/master/opensim-rest-console
2018-04-18 06:53 <djphil> Morning tx0h. I thought also closed port etc ... but this is not the case.
2018-04-18 06:53 <djphil> Thanks for the link to the new version. I will try it later. Soon I will go to sleep.
2018-04-18 07:04 <tx0h> did you start with -console rest ?
2018-04-18 07:04 <tx0h> well, go and sleep.
2018-04-18 07:04 <tx0h> :-)
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2018-04-18 22:04 <tx0h> shit. my provider disabled pppoe via firmware upgrade. no nat loopback.
2018-04-18 22:23 <Tampa> Time to rent I suppose
2018-04-18 22:24 <tx0h> rent?
2018-04-18 22:24 <tx0h> rant.
2018-04-19 00:44 <osmantis> Bug #8316:04 System.ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Index was out of range. Must be non-negative and less than the size of the collection. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8316 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2018-04-20 04:16 <osmantis> Bug #8320:04 XINVENTORY - Underlying connection was closed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8320 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2018-04-20 07:15 <Ubit> closed? i did close it ??
2018-04-20 07:15 <Ubit> oops silly me
2018-04-20 07:17 <osmantis> Bug #8320:04 XINVENTORY - Underlying connection was closed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8320 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2018-04-20 07:51 <Tampa> Hm last I checked opening a folder asks the inventory service to fetch that again
2018-04-20 07:52 <Tampa> So after login, assuming that works it should not cause issues
2018-04-20 07:52 <Tampa> Really odd, but inventory is bad so no surprise
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2018-04-20 08:36 <Tampa> Where is the source to that dll?
2018-04-20 08:38 <BillBlight> opensim-libs
2018-04-20 08:39 <Ubit> yeap and just updated it also
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2018-04-20 16:21 <LocoAdmin> .
2018-04-20 18:32 <osmantis> Bug #8316:04 System.ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Index was out of range. Must be non-negative and less than the size of the collection. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8316 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-04-20 19:05 <fantasy> hi all how can disable continue [AVFACTORY]: Received texture update
2018-04-20 19:05 <fantasy> in my opensim.exe
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2018-04-20 22:13 <Ubit> disable what ??
2018-04-20 22:13 <Ubit> oops 2 late, he is gone :)
2018-04-20 22:23 <LocoAdmin> hi DB
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2018-04-24 09:46 <andsim> any one seen billbright
2018-04-24 10:52 <andsim> anyone know how to block hg visit by domain name
2018-04-24 11:06 <Tampa> That's in the robust config, search for the gatekeeper service, should be all commented there
2018-04-24 11:32 <andsim> ok i se option but ForeignAgentsAllowed = true is commen\tout
2018-04-24 11:35 <andsim> @tampa
2018-04-24 11:36 <Tampa> [GatekeeperService]
2018-04-24 11:36 <Tampa> ;; Are foreign visitors allowed?
2018-04-24 11:36 <Tampa>     ;ForeignAgentsAllowed = true
2018-04-24 11:36 <Tampa>     ;;
2018-04-24 11:36 <Tampa>     ;; If ForeignAgentsAllowed is true, make exceptions using AllowExcept.
2018-04-24 11:36 <Tampa>     ;; Leave blank or commented for no exceptions.
2018-04-24 11:36 <Tampa>     ; AllowExcept = "http://griefer.com:8002, http://enemy.com:8002"
2018-04-24 11:37 <andsim> not blocking
2018-04-24 11:37 <andsim> even after restart
2018-04-24 11:43 <Ubit_> that is the source grid domain
2018-04-24 11:43 <Ubit_> not user
2018-04-24 11:44 <andsim>  i know AllowExcept = "login.greatcanadiangrid.ca:8002"
2018-04-24 11:45 <andsim> i restart it
2018-04-24 11:46 <andsim> it still allowed
2018-04-24 11:46 <Tampa> I always use both with and without the http://
2018-04-24 11:46 <Tampa> It may need the http:// on it to work, not sure
2018-04-24 11:47 <andsim> ok
2018-04-24 11:47 <andsim> i am test my avatar to be sure it working
2018-04-24 11:50 <andsim> 07:45:11 - [GATEKEEPER SERVICE]: Foreign agents are not permitted Andsim Hammerer @ http://login.greatcanadiangrid.ca:8002/. Refusing service.
2018-04-24 11:51 <andsim> ty
2018-04-24 18:01 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid.
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2018-04-25 10:41 <fantasy> hi all I have a curiosity https it is support on opensimulator?
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2018-04-27 15:19 <Plugh> Does the script state file include the state of permissions (such as debit perms)?
2018-04-27 18:17 <Melanie_T> Plugh: yes
2018-04-27 18:21 <Plugh> ok, thanks. 
2018-04-27 18:22 <Plugh> A region got moved to a new server and the state files were copied over but several vendors and rental boxes are running with very high script runtimes. No idea why. The thought was that they were waiting for owner debit perms.
2018-04-27 18:22 <Plugh> It would seem that isn't the case.
2018-04-27 18:37 <Ubit> no it is not on script state
2018-04-27 18:38 <Ubit> at least seems not to
2018-04-27 18:42 <Ubit> well or it its lol
2018-04-27 18:42 <Ubit> odd
2018-04-27 18:53 <Plugh> I'm having the users check their vendor scripts. I'll see what they say later whether they were just waiting for debit perms. I suspect part of the problem is the usual case of bad scripting.
2018-04-27 18:53 <Plugh> Any vendor needing debit perms should be idle while waiting for required perms.
2018-04-27 18:54 <Ubit> possible
2018-04-27 18:56 <Plugh> Its how I have my vendors set. They show floating text to say they are offline while waiting for debit perms. Other than that, they do nothing.
2018-04-27 18:57 <Ubit> the opensim version is the same?
2018-04-27 18:57 <Plugh> yes
2018-04-27 18:58 <Plugh> Only the state files may have been copied. I wonder if the compiled script files also needed to be copied. I can check on that.
2018-04-27 18:59 <Ubit> should be independent things, and those do change more than state now
2018-04-27 19:00 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2018-04-27 19:00 <Ubit> we are talking about Xengine, of course
2018-04-27 19:00 <Plugh> Right.
2018-04-27 19:01 <Plugh> I may grab a copy of the vendor and look to see what the script is doing that could cause high runtime if it is waiting for debit perms.
2018-04-27 19:01 <Ubit> thats a event driven thing, should do nothing
2018-04-27 19:02 <Plugh> Right but the script may be doing something while it waits for the perms. If it does the right thing with asking for perms it should not have high runtime while waiting.
2018-04-27 19:02 <Ubit> yeap
2018-04-27 19:03 <Plugh> The runtime is up around 7,000 times what I consider the normal limit for well behaved scripts.
2018-04-27 19:05 <Plugh> I'm still thinking about the need for a variant on osGetDrawStringSize(). It needs to know what font property is to be used with the text to return the correct size for bold, italicized, and underlined text.
2018-04-27 19:06 <Plugh> I wonder how the font property should be passed. Perhaps using a string like it is for the drawing function but without the leading "FontProp" text?
2018-04-27 19:09 <Plugh> I could also use the font property values instead of a string. It would be nice to have an idea which way to go before I start doing any coding.
2018-04-27 19:12 <Ubit> doesn't that assume a comand string?
2018-04-27 19:12 <Plugh> The draw functions can take FontProp to change the drawn text on the fly. The routine that accepts a string to be drawn doesn't handle font properties other than just font family and size.
2018-04-27 19:13 <Plugh> um... Trying again
2018-04-27 19:13 <Plugh> The routine that determines the width and height of a string to be drawn doesn't handle font properties ...
2018-04-27 19:13 <Plugh> osGetDrawStringSize
2018-04-27 19:15 <Plugh> Bold or italic text will take more width than regular. Underlined text may need more height.
2018-04-27 19:19 <Melanie_T> debit perms are per script, just like animation perms
2018-04-27 19:20 <Melanie_T> they are a property of the script and since the script has no other persistence apart from it's state file, it was logical to put it there
2018-04-27 19:20 <Melanie_T> it's quite sime, a UUID GrantorID and a uint32 for GrantedPermissions
2018-04-27 19:20 <Melanie_T> no script can get different permissions from different people
2018-04-27 19:21 <Melanie_T> which is why dance balls need as many scripts as they drive dancers
2018-04-27 19:21 <Melanie_T> one dancer gives perms to one script
2018-04-27 19:21 <Melanie_T> vendors are the same
2018-04-27 19:21 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2018-04-27 19:21 <Ubit> yes one script can only have on target for perms
2018-04-27 19:21 <Melanie_T> question is how the objects were moved
2018-04-27 19:22 <Ubit> but some should be exclusive to the owner ( like Debit )
2018-04-27 19:22 <Melanie_T> whether UUIDs of the object and it's script remained the same during the move determines if the state file gets picked up or not
2018-04-27 19:22 <Plugh> A danceball will need multiple scripts in the one object or it would have to rez balls for the dancers each with its own script.
2018-04-27 19:22 <Melanie_T> no, a script can accept debit from anyone
2018-04-27 19:23 <Plugh> I was commenting on your saying why a dance ball needs multiple scripts.
2018-04-27 19:23 <Melanie_T> without that, commission-style vendors wouldn't work
2018-04-27 19:23 <Plugh> oh, object UUID for scripts. Hm... that's the problem. Some regions were relocated by saving and loading oar files. That would have altered the object UUIDs.
2018-04-27 19:23 <Ubit> "Scripts may hold permissions for only one agent at a time. To hold permissions for multiple agents you must use more than one script."
2018-04-27 19:24 <Ubit> and No not acording to specs also...
2018-04-27 19:24 <Plugh> Ubit, RIght. There are two different ways of providing the separate scripts but it still comes down to one per dancer.
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2018-04-28 00:10 <Ubit> plugh pull
2018-04-28 00:12 <Plugh> ok. Thanks.
2018-04-28 00:13 <Ubit> i prefered to just change than ask :)
2018-04-28 00:13 <Ubit> faster 
2018-04-28 00:13 <Plugh> sure, np.
2018-04-28 00:14 <Plugh> I'll add that comment in the FontProp processing so someone down the road won't think there is a typo in the foreach loop.
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2018-04-28 11:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #5872 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-04-28 11:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8321: avoid null reference potencial caused by outdated LMs for example
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2018-05-02 17:46 <Plugh> What is the use of the estate_groups table?
2018-05-02 17:46 <smxy> Use the Source, Luke.
2018-05-02 17:47 <smxy> :)
2018-05-02 17:47 <smxy> Probably get an answer faster too.
2018-05-02 17:48 <Plugh> I'm sitting on the back deck of the house using my laptop. I don't have access to the source at this time.
2018-05-02 17:49 <Plugh> yea, I may have to do check the source as the information in the oswiki indicates the use is not really known.
2018-05-02 18:03 <BillBlight> If I remember from a long tiem ago it may have had soemthing to do with the scope id, but since we really don't use that, I'm not sure anymore
2018-05-02 18:06 <BillBlight> but could be when you give access for a group to an estate ..
2018-05-02 18:19 <Plugh> BillBlight: Oh, those groups. That makes more sense. That might be it.
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2018-05-04 22:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #5873 for job opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-05-04 22:05 <Ubit> 
ACTION kicks ubOde testers :p

2018-05-04 22:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-2.10.8.1 build #5873: SUCCESS in 9 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-2.10.8.1/5873/
2018-05-04 22:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix ubOde terrain copy at north and east borders
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2018-05-05 08:00 <Tampa> While you are working on map I don't suppose you could make the entire generation process a background thread?
2018-05-05 08:00 <Tampa> Would be really nice if that would not halt startup anymore
2018-05-05 08:00 <Tampa> Waiting for map tile generation for 40 minutes is a bit overkill
2018-05-05 12:27 <Ubit> map textures where always this bad ??  :(
2018-05-05 12:29 <Ubit> well for some reason map was considered priority on startup, even region login is displaced bc of it
2018-05-05 12:30 <Ubit> and will be always a slow thing, even if all that code is replaced but soemthing using a GPU
2018-05-05 12:30 <Ubit> but i had no idea it was so so bad
2018-05-05 12:31 <Ubit> telling to use textures seems just a waste of time.. all broken
2018-05-05 12:34 <Ubit> or something did got broken in time ?? did simple ones with defaul mapping, no offsets no rotation no..  bahh no nothing but just a texture  worked in past ?
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2018-05-05 16:06 <Tampa> Ubit, what I mean is since there is the generate map command to re-create maptiles can they be disabled on startup as in DontGenerateOnStart = True or something
2018-05-05 16:06 <Tampa> Alternatively change so map tile does not halt startup as it does now, instead running in the background on its own letting the region start instead
2018-05-05 16:06 <Ubit> yes but that is not doing all it needed to actuall update maps 
2018-05-05 16:07 <Ubit> it is not updating some info on grid, it seems
2018-05-05 16:07 <Ubit> does send all big data.. missing a tiny small one lol
2018-05-05 16:08 <Tampa> Something eventually needs to change Warp3d can take 20 minutes easily, I have some simulators that take 40 minutes to generate map tiles because of size and lots of mesh and prims
2018-05-05 16:08 <Ubit> but i did not check that
2018-05-05 16:08 <Ubit> damm map is so ugly  grr
2018-05-05 16:08 <Ubit> map is heavy
2018-05-05 16:09 <Ubit> it gets all crap ( acording to options) and renders it, with slow c# code
2018-05-05 16:09 <Ubit> for each box for example, it creates 6 meshes one per face blablabla
2018-05-05 16:10 <Ubit> its a one shot viewer 
2018-05-05 16:10 <Ubit> and does not know about a lot of things
2018-05-05 17:01 <Tampa> Ubit, I know, I just really want region startup and maptile generation be independent from one another allowing to region to startup and maptile be generated whenever its ready
2018-05-05 17:01 <Tampa> Instead of waiting half an hour for it to finish
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2018-05-05 17:54 <Plugh> I wonder if Warp3D generates a map on startup of map refresh time is 0.
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2018-05-06 15:21 <djphil> Ubit_ : Thanks for your answer to 8084. I do not have a httptest configured at the moment but I'm telling that these new constants for materials are now added in opensim :)
2018-05-06 15:21 <Ubit_> well on that branch only
2018-05-06 15:22 <djphil> Yes I can imagine
2018-05-06 15:23 <djphil> We need PBR rendeing :)
2018-05-06 15:25 <djphil> This would be a great improvement
2018-05-06 15:27 <djphil> rendering*
2018-05-06 15:29 <Ubit_> pbr ?
2018-05-06 15:31 <djphil> Physical based rendering @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physically_based_rendering
2018-05-06 15:31 <Ubit_> dream :p
2018-05-06 15:31 <Ubit_> and thats viewer sie
2018-05-06 15:32 <djphil> Again viewer
2018-05-06 15:32 <Ubit_> well materials are a kind of simplifeid form of that
2018-05-06 15:32 <Ubit_> i think
2018-05-06 15:32 <djphil> PBR is so much more powerful
2018-05-06 15:32 <Ubit_> yeah and heavy :)
2018-05-06 15:32 <djphil> no
2018-05-06 15:32 <djphil> is light
2018-05-06 15:33 <djphil> That's what games do now
2018-05-06 15:33 <Ubit_> no it is not light only about light lol
2018-05-06 15:33 <djphil> For real-time rendering
2018-05-06 15:34 <djphil> Maybee you know the Eevee ?
2018-05-06 15:35 <djphil> That the new PBR rendering Engine on Blender
2018-05-06 15:35 <BillBlight> Yes but that is all viewer side, the old rendering engine that viewers have can't even begin to touch that stuff, even if the server stored such things..
2018-05-06 15:35 <djphil> He is great!
2018-05-06 15:36 <BillBlight> So unless someone wants to write us a new viewer that uses a high powered rendering engine, no since in the server even beginning to store such things.
2018-05-06 15:37 <BillBlight> A better render engine may even make what we have look much better, but until that time we will not know .
2018-05-06 15:39 <djphil> Of course that PBR is much better ... and yes you have to write the code if you want to evolve
2018-05-06 15:40 <djphil> Already material is a very good thing :)
2018-05-06 15:41 <djphil> But we can also dream about better things
2018-05-06 16:01 <BillBlight> That is true djphil, but that dream rests on the viewer side, more than the server side , we need a viewer dev that really cares about OS as much as Ubit does ..
2018-05-06 16:03 <djphil> I understand. Ubit is rare and precious, we must take great care of him :)
2018-05-06 16:07 <djphil> But you know there are other branches of opensim that include many improvements too.
2018-05-06 16:07 <djphil> For example Physx. I recently spoke with Beta tester NVidia and there is no violation of law. Halcion can use the dll as it does now according to what he explained to me
2018-05-06 16:09 <djphil> now who says true who says fake ... again a question :p
2018-05-06 16:09 <Ubit_> physx can be used for free now in some cases
2018-05-06 16:09 <Ubit_> used to be payed
2018-05-06 16:09 <djphil> True
2018-05-06 16:09 <Ubit_> but not a issue
2018-05-06 16:10 <Ubit_> we already have 2 engines :p
2018-05-06 16:10 <Ubit_> or 4
2018-05-06 16:10 <djphil> Which one is the best, one more question
2018-05-06 16:10 <Ubit_> err why do i have a '_' ?
2018-05-06 16:11 <djphil> wb Ubit
2018-05-06 16:11 <Ubit> my lovely net..  well whaever
2018-05-06 16:12 <djphil> Ubit limits the risks ^^
2018-05-06 16:14 <BillBlight> the physX is legal, to use, but not they way they are using it, if you look at the way it MUST be distributed in a finished product they are not hitting ANY of those ..
2018-05-06 16:15 <BillBlight> It must be on splash screens, it must have the logo prominantly visible , yada yada
2018-05-06 16:15 <Ubit> well on win if you have a nvidia gpu you get the dlls
2018-05-06 16:15 <Ubit> or may get..
2018-05-06 16:16 <BillBlight> Halcyon's use is not illegal, but distributing it the way they do does violate the license ..  
2018-05-06 16:18 <BillBlight> B: For Physics Applications that incorporate the PhysX SDK or portions thereof, the
2018-05-06 16:18 <BillBlight> PhysX by NVIDIA logo (send email to PhysXLicensing@nvidia.com to request
2018-05-06 16:18 <BillBlight> logos and logo usage guidelines) must appear accompanied with the following
2018-05-06 16:18 <BillBlight> text: “NVIDIA(R) and PhysX(R) are registered trademarks of NVIDIA
2018-05-06 16:18 <BillBlight> Corporation and are used under license.":
2018-05-06 16:18 <BillBlight> a. on the back cover of the instruction manual or similar placement in an
2018-05-06 16:18 <BillBlight> electronic file for the purpose of acknowledgement/copyright/trademark
2018-05-06 16:18 <BillBlight> notice;
2018-05-06 16:18 <BillBlight> b. on external packaging;
2018-05-06 16:18 <BillBlight> c. during opening marquee or credits with inclusion of “PhysX by NVIDIA”;
2018-05-06 16:18 <BillBlight> d. must appear on title marketing feature list with a specific call-out of
2018-05-06 16:18 <BillBlight> PhysX Technology
2018-05-06 16:18 <BillBlight> e. on the credit screen; and
2018-05-06 16:18 <BillBlight> f. in the “About” or “Info” box menu items (or equivalent) of all Physics
2018-05-06 16:19 <djphil> Well opensim can add a visible logo then, if only that ...
2018-05-06 16:20 <BillBlight> http://developer.download.nvidia.com/assets/gamedev/docs/NVIDIA%20PhysX%20SDK%20EULA_3.pdf
2018-05-06 16:21 <djphil> Sunday reading :)
2018-05-06 16:22 <BillBlight> I do think there are some things in section 2 that could bite them
2018-05-06 16:22 <BillBlight> and section 3
2018-05-06 16:22 <BillBlight> users are supposed to accept a EULA before running the app
2018-05-06 16:24 <BillBlight> Section 3 also
2018-05-06 16:27 <djphil> Just follow the rules
2018-05-06 16:27 <BillBlight> yep, and there are a LOT of them
2018-05-06 16:31 <BillBlight> but I ran a physics test with halcyon compared to ubODE, ubODE won in the long run, physX was smoother to start, but ended up falling on it's face before ubODE did .. Ran it using that old MOSES document that was put out , the one that they used to test against bullet and old ODE, I'd suggest anybody that thinks PhysX is worth the hassle to run the same test ..
2018-05-06 16:32 <BillBlight> breaking naps, no don't break my nap I need it
2018-05-06 16:32 <BillBlight> LMAO
2018-05-06 16:33 <Ubit> well still bad
2018-05-06 16:33 <Ubit> warp3d has some bugs somewhere
2018-05-06 16:33 <BillBlight> warp3d is a bug
2018-05-06 16:33 <Ubit> prims are still to forget
2018-05-06 16:34 <Ubit> but also terrain.. it fails to render some no idea why still
2018-05-06 16:34 <Ubit> but i did changed how the terrain texture is done
2018-05-06 16:35 <Ubit> original code assumed each texture for terrain was sim wide
2018-05-06 16:35 <Ubit> it is not, its only patch wide, and repeated
2018-05-06 16:35 <Ubit> so now its like that
2018-05-06 16:35 <Ubit> side effect is that artifacts do show up
2018-05-06 16:35 <Ubit> as we do see in world.. 
2018-05-06 16:36 <Ubit> we see mosaics right?
2018-05-06 16:36 <BillBlight> yes
2018-05-06 16:37 <Ubit> well not using the textures, nice default colors are used and remove those
2018-05-06 16:37 <Ubit> a bit less detail, but nicer
2018-05-06 16:37 <Ubit> but those only match the default textures
2018-05-06 16:37 <Ubit> so i added code to calculate average colors of other textures
2018-05-06 16:38 <Ubit> thats the AverageTextureColorOnMapTile option
2018-05-06 16:38 <Ubit> of course, using default textures, better just use the default colors
2018-05-06 16:38 <Ubit> result is identical
2018-05-06 16:39 <Ubit> ( ie setting AverageTextureColorOnMapTile and TextureOnMapTile false 
2018-05-06 16:39 <Ubit> makes sense ?
2018-05-06 16:39 <BillBlight> to me yep
2018-05-06 16:41 <Ubit> the terrain bug shows up on map  as water where there should be terrain
2018-05-06 16:41 <Ubit> guess you noticed it before
2018-05-06 16:41 <Ubit> if you set water level to zero, those areas show up white
2018-05-06 16:42 <Ubit> something on the triangles rendering
2018-05-06 16:42 <Ubit> camera is also very limited, placed at 256m things above it do not show up
2018-05-06 16:43 <Ubit> terrain above that will be damm water
2018-05-06 16:44 <Ubit> well warp3d was made to run on a original 68k cpu
2018-05-06 16:44 <Ubit> so uses fixed point based on ints math
2018-05-06 16:44 <Ubit> anf guess porting from original c code to c# did not went that well
2018-05-06 16:45 <Ubit> ( and that amth does impose limitations.. )
2018-05-06 16:47 <Ubit> errr
2018-05-06 16:47 <Ubit> m_textureAvegareTerrain = true; // replace terrain textures by their average color
2018-05-06 16:47 <Ubit> oops i made it the default :p
2018-05-06 16:47 <BillBlight> ooopsy
2018-05-06 16:48 <Ubit> but its now ugly wihout it
2018-05-06 16:48 <Ubit> specialy the default low texture
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2018-05-06 16:51 <Ubit> see the artifacts bill ?
2018-05-06 16:51 <Ubit> what you mean you are not testing it now?? :P
2018-05-06 16:52 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-05-06 16:52 <BillBlight> I'll be testing it later, today is my update day, so will put it on some sims later
2018-05-06 16:52 <Ubit> bahh my craplinux still compiling
2018-05-06 16:53 <Ubit> oops
2018-05-06 16:54 <Ubit> you may see a file called terr.png showing up :p
2018-05-06 16:54 <Ubit> thats a debug thing i forgot to remove :p
2018-05-06 16:54 <Ubit> its the generated texture to apply on terrain
2018-05-06 16:54 <Ubit> ( warp3d )
2018-05-06 16:55 <Ubit> err the other optiosn are just to not show the text i did add to exported map
2018-05-06 16:59 <Ubit> grrr
2018-05-06 19:25 <djphil> Is Plugh here?
2018-05-06 19:25 <djphil> In your search module, popularplaces works for you?
2018-05-06 19:40 <BillBlight> I think popular places requires a working dwell module
2018-05-06 19:41 <djphil> yes i think that too
2018-05-06 20:18 <djphil> He should take the Dwell information in the "land" table of opensim
2018-05-06 20:35 <Plugh> djphil: I'm not there but I am here. :) What's up?
2018-05-06 20:35 <Plugh> Last I heard about Dwell was that it isn't supported in OS.
2018-05-06 20:37 <djphil> i'm fine ty!
2018-05-06 20:37 <djphil> 01popularplaces works for you?01
2018-05-06 20:38 <Plugh> I've never used popularplaces. I will have to check the code to see if the tables are checked.
2018-05-06 20:40 <djphil> Ok, tell me when you know please
2018-05-06 20:40 <Plugh> The hooks are in the code and it will query the database. 
2018-05-06 20:42 <djphil> Communication between dll and php is always a mistery for me
2018-05-06 20:42 <Plugh> I have no idea what would populate the popularplaces database table.
2018-05-06 20:43 <djphil> populate with parcel uuid, name, dwell, info uuid, has pic and maturity
2018-05-06 20:43 <Plugh> The table exists but I don't think there is anything around to put any data in to it.
2018-05-06 20:44 <Plugh> I seem to recall something about a dwell module.
2018-05-06 20:44 <Plugh> Ah, yes. I have a copy of the Barsonix dwell module. Never tried to use it.
2018-05-06 20:44 <djphil> a built in dwell or extrenal dwell module ?
2018-05-06 20:45 <djphil> bc we have a working build in > populate table land/dwell
2018-05-06 20:45 <Plugh> Add on dwell module.
2018-05-06 20:46 <djphil> i think we need a parcel dwell data, not entire region dwell
2018-05-06 20:47 <Plugh> The dwell data is per parcel.
2018-05-06 20:47 <djphil> and the Barsonix don't compilte with master from a long time ago
2018-05-06 20:48 <djphil> yes by parcel
2018-05-06 20:48 <Plugh> Hm... I have the module code here. Let me see if I can compile it
2018-05-06 20:48 <djphil> The build in dwell provide only by land
2018-05-06 20:53 <Plugh> That addon dwell module is from 2014. Not surprising there are issues compiling it. Shouldn't be too hard to update.
2018-05-06 20:54 <djphil> I probably have newer version than you. I can forward you if you wish
2018-05-06 20:55 <djphil> He compiled some time with 0.9.x and then no longer compile
2018-05-06 20:59 <djphil> This one compile with 0.9: http://digigrids.no-ip.org/plugh/Barasonisx-Dwell-Module.zip
2018-05-06 20:59 <djphil> (but not with master)
2018-05-06 21:00 <Plugh> The github link I had to the source is no longer valid.
2018-05-06 21:00 <djphil> yeah, he remove it
2018-05-06 21:02 <Plugh> ok.
2018-05-06 21:02 <djphil> found, moved https://github.com/MarcelEdward/Barosonix-Dwell-Module
2018-05-06 21:03 <djphil> this one work only with 0.8
2018-05-06 21:05 <djphil> It's a bit odd that search needs an extra dwell module to work ... you do not find this strange?
2018-05-06 21:06 <djphil> Should not it be directly integrated into search module ... ?
2018-05-06 21:09 <Plugh> The marceledward version was last updated in 2015. You sent me code that was updated in 2017.
2018-05-06 21:10 <djphil> yes, mine is the last i know
2018-05-06 21:10 <djphil> but nothing really different ... only one line commented to work with 0.9
2018-05-06 21:11 <Plugh> ok.
2018-05-06 21:13 <BillBlight> seems like it uses the same xmlrpc calls as the search module and on the git it has the db and xmlrpc pages, in web root , 
2018-05-06 21:13 <BillBlight> it says it works with the search module, I am going to assume the external xmlrpc search
2018-05-06 21:15 <Plugh> djphil: I now have the three version and will compare them.
2018-05-06 21:16 <Plugh> djphil: I don't think populating the dwell tables should be part of the search module. The search module only parses and later searches for information provided by other modules. It doesn't generate data. 
2018-05-06 21:18 <djphil> Well, something "all in one search"  would be much simpler
2018-05-06 21:18 <BillBlight> not everyone wants a dwell module though
2018-05-06 21:19 <BillBlight> so making it part of search would make search bloated
2018-05-06 21:19 <Plugh> There's also that. :)
2018-05-06 21:20 <djphil> for parcel sale he needs currency
2018-05-06 21:20 <djphil> for popular place he needs dwell
2018-05-06 21:20 <djphil> he needs many separate things to work
2018-05-06 21:21 <djphil> An option in [SEARCH] section for count dwell = FASLE / TRUE is enough
2018-05-06 21:22 <Plugh> Right. There are a lot of modules needed for a grid.
2018-05-06 21:22 <BillBlight> not really, because the way opensim works the modules still get loaded even if they are not used
2018-05-06 21:22 <BillBlight> enabled
2018-05-06 21:23 <Tampa> Its meant to be this way to allow for switching out modules and develop them independently from the core functions
2018-05-06 21:23 <Plugh> Tampa: Right
2018-05-06 21:24 <djphil> Anyway, currently it is not 100% functional
2018-05-06 21:25 <BillBlight> well without tying it to a web backend, it is not going to work at all, so there is also that level of complexity
2018-05-06 21:26 <djphil> i have the backend rewoked yet
2018-05-06 21:26 <Plugh> I'm comparing the three versions of that module to see what are the differences between them.
2018-05-06 21:27 <BillBlight> I may see if I can modify it to tie into the jopesnim backend .. hehe
2018-05-06 21:28 <djphil> why not Foto will be happy
2018-05-06 21:30 <BillBlight> well would have to see if I can actually make it work standalone first, but not really going to spend any time on it yet ..
2018-05-06 21:30 <Plugh> djphil: The module code you linked to is just the module code without the web support files.
2018-05-06 21:31 <djphil> <Plugh if you whant the backend revisited (Bootstrap 4.0) let me  know, i can send
2018-05-06 21:31 <Plugh> If I want what??
2018-05-06 21:31 <djphil> lol we talk about the same think :)
2018-05-06 21:31 <djphil> the web part
2018-05-06 21:31 <djphil> mom, let me zip that
2018-05-06 21:32 <djphil> no yet on github ...
2018-05-06 21:36 <BillBlight> yeah it's not happy on httptests either
2018-05-06 21:37 <Plugh> djphil: The version you linked to is just the module code and it is the same as the version I last obtained from git.
2018-05-06 21:37 <BillBlight> even after removing the two lines of code for the physics.manager
2018-05-06 21:37 <Plugh> The MarcelEdwards version is the most recent, AFAICT.
2018-05-06 21:37 <BillBlight> 'BarosonixDwellModule' does not implement interface member 'IDwellModule.GetDwell(LandData)
2018-05-06 21:39 <djphil> The one i send to you have only one commented line to work with 0.9 Plugh
2018-05-06 21:39 <djphil> Here is the web part http://digigrids.no-ip.org/plugh/webdwell.zip
2018-05-06 21:39 <djphil> Include BS 4 and W3C version
2018-05-06 21:39 <Plugh> If you had sent a link to the full package at the start it would have made it easier to compare the versions.
2018-05-06 21:40 <djphil> Ooops :p
2018-05-06 21:41 <Plugh> I can't tell which version the 2017 version is based on.
2018-05-06 21:43 <djphil> Mine is based on Marcel Edward version
2018-05-06 21:45 <Plugh> The variations in spelling the Bar* name isn't helping.
2018-05-06 21:45 <djphil> Plugh, just found a patch for opensim http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7066
2018-05-06 21:46 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2018-05-06 21:46 <Plugh> that was commited back in 2014
2018-05-06 21:46 <BillBlight> the one in your zip djphil gives the error 'BarosonixDwellModule' does not implement interface member 'IDwellModule.GetDwell(LandData) to me on httptest
2018-05-06 21:47 <djphil> Yes but maybee a trail to explore
2018-05-06 21:48 <djphil> i have no tested with the httptest branch Bill
2018-05-06 21:49 <BillBlight> Well as Ubit keeps saying, httptest should be considered master
2018-05-06 21:49 <djphil> But he sin't
2018-05-06 21:49 <BillBlight> he has many times
2018-05-06 21:50 <BillBlight> only reason it is not master is because the dev box's mono version
2018-05-06 22:03 <Plugh> The module isn't compiling. No dll is created.
2018-05-06 22:03 <djphil> True
2018-05-06 22:03 <Plugh> Oh. Stupid name issue again. :P
2018-05-06 22:03 <Tampa> *slow clap* good job freenode lol
2018-05-06 22:20 <Ubit> what are u trying to break ?
2018-05-06 22:20 <Ubit> :p
2018-05-06 22:21 <Ubit> ohh talking about break, let me update map
2018-05-06 22:22 <BillBlight> Update, is Ubit's new word for BREAK
2018-05-06 22:23 <Ubit> well liked the changes so far? :)
2018-05-06 22:23 <BillBlight> well I got it to compile and make a dll without complaining
2018-05-06 22:23 <Ubit> hmm? guess thats not map :p
2018-05-06 22:24 <Ubit> about dwell ?
2018-05-06 22:25 <BillBlight> yep
2018-05-06 22:25 <Ubit> well older modules will not work well
2018-05-06 22:25 <Ubit> 0.9 now does include dwell math as i said in past
2018-05-06 22:26 <Ubit> the only thing is there is no method to get it out to webservices
2018-05-06 22:26 <Ubit> except datasnapshot
2018-05-06 22:26 <Ubit> that think its finally working at osgrid
2018-05-06 22:26 <BillBlight> is it sending that on data snapshot?
2018-05-06 22:26 <Ubit> its part of region indo
2018-05-06 22:26 <Ubit> info
2018-05-06 22:26 <BillBlight> ohh then all I have to do is modify my external search to take the data
2018-05-06 22:27 <BillBlight> and not ignore it
2018-05-06 22:27 <Ubit> and also on queries from other regions
2018-05-06 22:27 <Ubit> you see it looking to about lms etc
2018-05-06 22:27 <Ubit> that was discussed here sometime ago
2018-05-06 22:28 <BillBlight> so I need to look at the datasnapshot and see how it is sending the data, yes I do remember that conversation now
2018-05-06 22:28 <djphil> Ubit, land dwell != parcel dwell, right ?
2018-05-06 22:28 <BillBlight> but got that barasonisx dwell module to compile with httptests
2018-05-06 22:28 <Ubit> wrong
2018-05-06 22:28 <Ubit> there is only parcels one
2018-05-06 22:29 <djphil> Ok, then search don't requiere external dwell module
2018-05-06 22:29 <Ubit> older modules where insane
2018-05-06 22:29 <BillBlight> it just needs to accept the data from the snapshot to put it in the search database
2018-05-06 22:29 <Ubit> dwell is now computed when ppl leaves or enters as should be
2018-05-06 22:30 <Ubit> and has a rise time and fall time
2018-05-06 22:30 <djphil> He need dwell datas from land table
2018-05-06 22:30 <Ubit> to minic the 24hours rule ( but not exactly )
2018-05-06 22:30 <BillBlight> Ubit you said the dwell data is being sent with the datasnapshot?
2018-05-06 22:30 <Ubit> there is no land table and no sense having
2018-05-06 22:30 <Ubit> it does change
2018-05-06 22:30 <Ubit> i did
2018-05-06 22:30 <BillBlight> ok just checking
2018-05-06 22:31 <Ubit> osgrid is using that now
2018-05-06 22:31 <Ubit> i think/hope lol
2018-05-06 22:31 <djphil> Hmmm from where is my land table again lol
2018-05-06 22:31 <BillBlight> umm land table has nothing to do with the dwell module currently as Ubit said
2018-05-06 22:32 <Ubit> but nothing new, we did spoke about this here months ago
2018-05-06 22:32 <djphil> true the land table sin't from dwell module
2018-05-06 22:32 <Ubit> well actually dwell is saved on region db if i remember
2018-05-06 22:32 <Ubit> so is not lost on restarts
2018-05-06 22:32 <djphil> But for populated parcels, maybee the snapshot can take datas from this table ...
2018-05-06 22:32 <Ubit> but memory.. so bad :)
2018-05-06 22:33 <Ubit> datasnap is a http query to regions
2018-05-06 22:34 <BillBlight> if you use an external search db then the dwell data should be persistent right?
2018-05-06 22:34 <Ubit> guess so..
2018-05-06 22:34 <BillBlight> if you actually capture it
2018-05-06 22:34 <djphil> ubit i don't see any Dwell data on my "regions" database
2018-05-06 22:34 <Ubit> part of the code that gets the snapshot and uses it
2018-05-06 22:35 <Ubit> ...
2018-05-06 22:35 <Ubit> "AuthbuyerID, OtherCleanTime, Dwell, MediaType, MediaDescription, " +
2018-05-06 22:35 <Ubit> ...
2018-05-06 22:35 <Ubit> its there :p
2018-05-06 22:36 <Ubit> newData.Dwell = Convert.ToSingle(row["Dwell"]);
2018-05-06 22:36 <Ubit> etc
2018-05-06 22:36 <djphil> yeah that on "land" database
2018-05-06 22:36 <BillBlight> HOLY CRAP
2018-05-06 22:36 <BillBlight> I have dwell data in my jopensim search db
2018-05-06 22:36 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-05-06 22:38 <BillBlight> seems some regions are reporting it , others are not
2018-05-06 22:38 <BillBlight> strange
2018-05-06 22:38 <BillBlight> Oh I bet it is because show in search for some parcels is not set
2018-05-06 22:40 <Ubit> well and there is a defaulDwellModule
2018-05-06 22:40 <Ubit>         public int GetDwell(UUID parcelID)
2018-05-06 22:40 <Ubit>         {
2018-05-06 22:40 <Ubit>             ILandObject parcel = m_scene.LandChannel.GetLandObject(parcelID);
2018-05-06 22:40 <Ubit>             if (parcel != null && parcel.LandData != null)
2018-05-06 22:40 <Ubit>                return (int)(parcel.LandData.Dwell);
2018-05-06 22:40 <Ubit>             return 0;
2018-05-06 22:40 <Ubit>         }
2018-05-06 22:40 <BillBlight> yeah maybe it is not on on some of them
2018-05-06 22:41 <BillBlight> as it seems to be disabled by default
2018-05-06 22:41 <Ubit> just gets the info from the parcel data
2018-05-06 22:41 <Ubit> private bool m_Enabled = false;
2018-05-06 22:41 <Ubit> yeap
2018-05-06 22:41 <Ubit> datasnap does need it still
2018-05-06 22:42 <BillBlight> I'll go test some regions later but I do have dwell data in my search_parcels table ..
2018-05-06 22:42 <Ubit> still that to keep old code structure
2018-05-06 22:42 <Ubit> ( and possibility of override )
2018-05-06 22:43 <Ubit> see about landamrk 
2018-05-06 22:43 <Ubit> on a lm of a parcel that does have ppl
2018-05-06 22:43 <Ubit> or jsut about land
2018-05-06 22:44 <Ubit> well possible that dwell module needs to be active, don't remember
2018-05-06 22:45 <djphil> For me, on search_parcels, data remain 0
2018-05-06 22:45 <BillBlight> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4ehugi5a0h8836m/dwell.jpg?dl=0
2018-05-06 22:46 <Ubit> thats using what ?
2018-05-06 22:46 <BillBlight> that is using nothing but opensimulator and jopensimsearch
2018-05-06 22:47 <djphil> ha is jopensim !
2018-05-06 22:47 <Ubit> jopensim does get datasnapshots ?
2018-05-06 22:47 <djphil> remain 0 with opensim search
2018-05-06 22:48 <BillBlight> yes it gets data snapshots
2018-05-06 22:48 <Ubit> so working cool
2018-05-06 22:48 <djphil> On opensim Dwell work only on "About Land" tab
2018-05-06 22:48 <djphil> not on search ...
2018-05-06 22:49 <Ubit> you need that defauldwell enabled and datasnapshot
2018-05-06 22:49 <djphil> he is
2018-05-06 22:49 <djphil> i have eventsn classifields, host registred etc ...
2018-05-06 22:50 <Ubit> well i don't remember the details :)
2018-05-06 22:50 <djphil> and a big button on my desk
2018-05-06 22:50 <djphil> to take snapshot ^^
2018-05-06 22:50 <BillBlight> but I am using a jopensimsearch compiled at the same time as my code, not using the out of the box DLL , if that makes a difference
2018-05-06 22:52 <Ubit> does the map look any better ? :p
2018-05-06 22:52 <BillBlight> I think it actually does
2018-05-06 22:53 <djphil> Bill you got the Barsonic dwell compiled with 0.9 httptest ?
2018-05-06 22:53 <djphil> or master ?
2018-05-06 22:53 <Ubit> httptest is 0.91
2018-05-06 22:53 <Ubit> but those changes are on master
2018-05-06 22:54 <Ubit> if not even on release 0.9, dont remember
2018-05-06 22:54 <BillBlight> httptest is master as far as I am concerned .. but yes on httptests
2018-05-06 22:54 <djphil> And is open source ?
2018-05-06 22:55 <djphil> url ?
2018-05-06 22:55 <Ubit> [Dwell]
2018-05-06 22:55 <Ubit>     ;; This enables the built in basic dwell module
2018-05-06 22:55 <Ubit>     DwellModule = DefaultDwellModule
2018-05-06 22:55 <BillBlight> don't know if it works , lol, but it compiles and does not complain
2018-05-06 22:55 <Ubit> on opensimDefauls
2018-05-06 22:55 <BillBlight> yes does it also need Enabled = True?
2018-05-06 22:55 <Ubit> no
2018-05-06 22:56 <Ubit> m_Enabled = (DwellConfig.GetString ("DwellModule", "DefaultDwellModule") == "DefaultDwellModule");
2018-05-06 22:56 <BillBlight> kk
2018-05-06 22:56 <BillBlight> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8lf9y4pv3h061sz/Barasonisx-Dwell-Module-bbmod.zip?dl=0
2018-05-06 22:57 <djphil> actually i have:
2018-05-06 22:57 <djphil> [Dwell]
2018-05-06 22:57 <djphil>     ;; This enables the built in basic dwell module
2018-05-06 22:57 <djphil>     ;DwellModule = DefaultDwellModule
2018-05-06 22:57 <djphil>     DwellModule = BarosonixDwellModule
2018-05-06 22:57 <djphil>     DwellURL = "http://localhost/dwell/inc/dwell-xmlrpc.php"
2018-05-06 22:57 <djphil>     NPCaddToDwell = true
2018-05-06 22:57 <djphil>     AvReturnTime = 5
2018-05-06 22:57 <djphil> Ty bill
2018-05-06 22:57 <Ubit> then the new code does not work :p
2018-05-06 22:57 <djphil> sure :)
2018-05-06 22:57 <BillBlight> haha
2018-05-06 22:58 <BillBlight> funny ubit
2018-05-06 22:58 <Ubit> well it does anyway for the parts that ignore that module
2018-05-06 22:58 <BillBlight> I did not give any webroot with that
2018-05-06 22:58 <BillBlight> just the base code
2018-05-06 22:58 <BillBlight> again not sure if it works
2018-05-06 22:58 <BillBlight> just got it to compile
2018-05-06 22:58 <BillBlight> and stop complaining
2018-05-06 22:58 <djphil> i test it now
2018-05-06 22:58 <Ubit> why do you want that module now ??
2018-05-06 22:58 <BillBlight> I don't want it
2018-05-06 22:58 <Ubit> those modules are a nonsense
2018-05-06 22:59 <Ubit> damm warp3d
2018-05-06 23:00 <Ubit> no info about it, and what we have does not match olf amiga one
2018-05-06 23:00 <Ubit> old
2018-05-06 23:02 <Ubit> shutodown
2018-05-06 23:02 <Ubit> errr oops :p
2018-05-06 23:02 <Ubit> ohh no prob its a typo, you are still alive
2018-05-06 23:02 <djphil> Well, it compile for me now (with OpenSim 0.9.0-1751 Dev  ga0d0d65: 2018-03-10)
2018-05-06 23:03 <djphil> I have Dwell-Module.dll in bin
2018-05-06 23:03 <djphil> Now can continue to test/rework the web part
2018-05-06 23:03 <BillBlight> that sit he default module I think
2018-05-06 23:03 <djphil> Ty Bill ;)
2018-05-06 23:03 <Ubit> if you have things getting datasnap, just test using the default module
2018-05-06 23:04 <BillBlight> this new one should be Barasonisx-Dwell-Module.dll
2018-05-06 23:04 <BillBlight> I think
2018-05-06 23:04 <djphil> Arfff
2018-05-06 23:06 <djphil> Yes you are right, is Barasonisx-Dwell-Module.dll
2018-05-06 23:07 <djphil> Well, it compile but no create any dll ... and i see any warnings on console
2018-05-06 23:08 <BillBlight> mine compiled and created the dll
2018-05-06 23:08 <djphil> i try again then
2018-05-06 23:09 <BillBlight> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5r0i83nqi4hb3fv/Barasonisx-Dwell-Module.dll?dl=0
2018-05-06 23:11 <Ubit> and map still works ? :p
2018-05-06 23:11 <Ubit> ( well ignoring prims for now )
2018-05-06 23:11 <BillBlight> have not put youre latest break on , but so far it is working
2018-05-06 23:12 <Ubit> those are a fail, specially with textures
2018-05-06 23:12 <djphil> Tanks Bill, i will try with too
2018-05-06 23:12 <djphil> no pdb requiered ?
2018-05-06 23:13 <BillBlight> required , no
2018-05-06 23:13 <Ubit> pdb is just for debug
2018-05-06 23:13 <djphil> kk
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2018-05-06 23:33 <Plugh> hm... dwell is passed in Datasnapshot? I'll need to update the search modules parser.
2018-05-06 23:34 <djphil> Well, at this point i try to get it work with 0.9.1 (with the Bill dll)
2018-05-06 23:35 <Ubit> that is not new.. it was sent before
2018-05-06 23:36 <djphil> yes, and i test it now
2018-05-06 23:36 <djphil> that what i mean
2018-05-06 23:36 <Plugh> The dwell module should be called Barasonix..., afaict. 
2018-05-06 23:37 <Ubit> there is a defaul module
2018-05-06 23:37 <Ubit> and no need for other now
2018-05-06 23:37 <Plugh> I always forget how to get the datasnapshot data until I look at the code.
2018-05-06 23:37 <Ubit> why do you keep talking about that other module ?
2018-05-06 23:38 <Plugh> yea, I saw that. The Barasonix dwell module isn't being created so no point worrying about it anyway.
2018-05-06 23:38 <Plugh> Ubit, It was being talked about as we didn't know that the Dwell feature was supported in OpenSim.
2018-05-06 23:39 <Plugh> oh, the module fails to compile because of some API change. np. Don't need it any more.
2018-05-06 23:39 <BillBlight> you obviously missed the part where I got it to compile
2018-05-06 23:39 <djphil> the default module don't collect these datas Ubit
2018-05-06 23:39 <djphil> `id` char(36) NOT NULL,
2018-05-06 23:39 <djphil>     `pid` char(36) NOT NULL,
2018-05-06 23:39 <djphil>     `timestamp` timestamp NOT NULL DEFAULT CURRENT_TIMESTAMP ON UPDATE CURRENT_TIMESTAMP,
2018-05-06 23:39 <djphil>     `idkey` int(20) NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT,
2018-05-06 23:39 <djphil>     `avatar_name` varchar(128) NOT NULL,
2018-05-06 23:39 <djphil>     `parcel_name` varchar(255) NOT NULL,
2018-05-06 23:39 <djphil>     `region_uuid` varchar(45) DEFAULT NULL,
2018-05-06 23:39 <djphil>     `region_name` varchar(255) DEFAULT NULL,
2018-05-06 23:39 <djphil>     `localLandID` int(20) DEFAULT NULL,
2018-05-06 23:39 <djphil>     `parcelOwner` varchar(36) DEFAULT NULL,
2018-05-06 23:39 <djphil>     `parcelGroupOwned` int(1) DEFAULT NULL,
2018-05-06 23:39 <djphil>     `parcelOwnerName` varchar(128) DEFAULT NULL,
2018-05-06 23:39 <djphil> That only on Barsonix
2018-05-06 23:40 <Ubit> you are not supposed to collect some of that date grid side
2018-05-06 23:40 <djphil> For web page like this
2018-05-06 23:40 <djphil> Region name     Parcel name     Parcel uuid     Owner     date     total visitors
2018-05-06 23:40 <djphil> noname     COLLAB 3D     b55552ee-2d00-46a6-99e8-693595dfb3c4     collab3d (group)     2018-05-07     126
2018-05-06 23:41 <BillBlight> yeah that barsonix module is more like a spy module than a dwell module
2018-05-06 23:41 <djphil> more detailled dwell, with dates etc ...
2018-05-06 23:41 <djphil> to create beautifull charts is usfull :)
2018-05-06 23:41 <BillBlight> I can collect all that with PHP and LSL, don't need a module for taht
2018-05-06 23:42 <BillBlight> makes it easier to turn on and off
2018-05-06 23:42 <djphil> or with Barosonix ...
2018-05-06 23:43 <Ubit> ( and actually most of that is on landsnapshot )
2018-05-06 23:43 <BillBlight> Using PHP and LSL I can just turn off the object in world, don't have to restart the sim to turn it on or off
2018-05-06 23:44 <Ubit> but you waste your cpu and net as you like :p
2018-05-06 23:45 <Plugh> BillBlight: I think I saw that but I don't know what code change you made.
2018-05-06 23:45 <Plugh> I know datasnapshot is enabled. I can't seem to access it. :P
2018-05-06 23:46 <djphil> Ubit are you sure this part of snapshot is on the paser.php ?
2018-05-06 23:46 <djphil> parser.php*
2018-05-06 23:47 <BillBlight> I posed links to the files Plugh
2018-05-06 23:47 <Ubit> region code has no parser.php.. thats not my business :p
2018-05-06 23:47 <djphil> True Ubit, just ask
2018-05-06 23:47 <djphil> bc seems no working ...
2018-05-06 23:48 <djphil> (i mean php part "no working") :p
2018-05-06 23:48 <BillBlight> Again I'll just say that making a module that does all that seems like a waste, you can do all that from in world with PHP and LSL, and have better control over it ... With the exception of the dwell itself, and you could even do that math and caculate it
2018-05-06 23:48 <BillBlight> and we have determined that the default dwell module does do the dwell
2018-05-06 23:50 <djphil> Bill, Do you want to populate the popular parcels with LSL?
2018-05-06 23:50 <Plugh> BillBlight: Got it.
2018-05-06 23:50 <Plugh> hehe... I'm not going to see any dwell info in datasnapshot. I don't have the module turned on.
2018-05-06 23:51 <Ubit>                         XmlNode dwell = nodeFactory.CreateNode(XmlNodeType.Element, "dwell", "");
2018-05-06 23:51 <Ubit>                         if (dwellModule != null)
2018-05-06 23:51 <Ubit>                             dwell.InnerText = dwellModule.GetDwell(parcel.GlobalID).ToString();
2018-05-06 23:51 <Ubit>                         else
2018-05-06 23:51 <Ubit>                             dwell.InnerText = "0";
2018-05-06 23:51 <Ubit>                         xmlparcel.AppendChild(dwell);
2018-05-06 23:51 <Ubit> on landsnapshot
2018-05-06 23:52 <Ubit> lol i have my test regions on my test grid registered on osgrid datasnap :)
2018-05-06 23:55 <Ubit> datasnao does create files on bin/data...
2018-05-06 23:55 <Plugh> hm... Dwell module is enabled by default, afaict. 
2018-05-06 23:56 <Plugh> Ubit, if the maptile refresh time is 0 does Warp3D still generate a maptile on region start?
2018-05-06 23:57 <Ubit> hope so :p
2018-05-06 23:59 <Plugh> ok. I've been having an issue with maptiles disappearing (or not appearing). Still trying to nail that down.
2018-05-06 23:59 <Plugh> Ah. I see dwell in the datasnapshot data.
2018-05-07 00:05 <Plugh> The search module is already parsing the dwell information. It was only using it when populating the regions and parcels and parcelsales tables. It isn't putting the information in to the popularplaces table.
2018-05-07 00:08 <djphil> :)
2018-05-07 00:13 <djphil> For info: I tested with your dll Bill, she does not collect the datas. Tomorrow I will try with a new opensim.
2018-05-07 00:15 <Plugh> Minor problem. The datasnapshot module isn't told if the parcel has a picture.
2018-05-07 00:17 <djphil> How many "Minor"problems = 1 "Major" problem ?
2018-05-07 00:23 <Plugh> I've updated the parser.php file to update the popularplaces table. The only issue I have now is that I can't properly set the flag that says if the region has an picture.
2018-05-07 00:23 <Plugh> s/region/parcel/
2018-05-07 00:28 <djphil> Plugh: SnapshotUUID is on "land" database
2018-05-07 00:28 <Plugh> yes, but I need it in the output from the datasnapshot module.
2018-05-07 00:28 <djphil> True
2018-05-07 00:29 <djphil> i see is varchar(255) :s
2018-05-07 00:29 <djphil> and without default value like NULL_KEY
2018-05-07 00:30 <Plugh> I'm trying to avoid needing to do a sql query in the search parser to look for a picture.
2018-05-07 00:30 <djphil> varchar(36) > utf8_general_ci > 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000
2018-05-07 01:11 <Plugh> hm... I think I got an exception during shutdown because ossl functions were disabled. Something else to test.
2018-05-07 01:14 <Plugh> Nice. No more white stripe down the right side of Warp3D maptiles. :)
2018-05-07 01:58 <Plugh> git pull OpenSimSearch.
2018-05-07 02:05 <djphil> i think you need to add too OR $image != "" Plugh
2018-05-07 02:05 <djphil> line 199
2018-05-07 02:06 <Plugh> Your XML data is returning an empty string for the image tag?
2018-05-07 02:06 <djphil> i see the table field by default
2018-05-07 02:07 <djphil> the default value isn't zero_uuid but a empty field
2018-05-07 02:07 <Plugh> The image tag is only added to the XML data if the snapshot UUID is not the Zero UUID.
2018-05-07 02:08 <djphil> But he will never be ZERO_UUID
2018-05-07 02:08 <Plugh> Correct. But it might not exist.
2018-05-07 02:08 <djphil> it will be empty or VALID_UUID
2018-05-07 02:09 <Plugh> No, it will either not exist or it will be a valid UUID.
2018-05-07 02:09 <djphil> not exist = empty
2018-05-07 02:10 <Plugh> No, not exist.
2018-05-07 02:10 <Plugh> See Line 225 in LandSnapshot.cs
2018-05-07 02:10 <djphil> that on the populate parcels table
2018-05-07 02:10 <Plugh> Right.
2018-05-07 02:10 <djphil> but on the "land" is empty
2018-05-07 02:11 <djphil> Datasnapshot don't return the value from "land" table ?
2018-05-07 02:11 <Plugh> It can't be an empty string if the Datasnapshot module passes you the image tag for a parcel.
2018-05-07 02:12 <Plugh>                        if (parcel.SnapshotID != UUID.Zero)
2018-05-07 02:12 <Plugh>                         {
2018-05-07 02:12 <Plugh>                             XmlNode textureuuid = nodeFactory.CreateNode(XmlNodeType.Element, "image", "");
2018-05-07 02:12 <Plugh>                             textureuuid.InnerText = parcel.SnapshotID.ToString();
2018-05-07 02:12 <Plugh>                             xmlparcel.AppendChild(textureuuid);
2018-05-07 02:12 <Plugh>                         }
2018-05-07 02:15 <djphil> Datasnashot get the pic uuid from "land" > "SnapshotUUID", right ?
2018-05-07 02:16 <Plugh> It gets it from the LandData structure.
2018-05-07 02:17 <djphil> from wich database table ?
2018-05-07 02:17 <djphil> "land" ?
2018-05-07 02:18 <djphil> else how can you know if parcel have a picture ?
2018-05-07 02:19 <Plugh> I haven't dug through how LandData gets populated. I would say it is getting the value from the SnapshotUUID field of the land table.
2018-05-07 02:20 <djphil> True, me too
2018-05-07 02:20 <djphil> and return what if SnapshotUUID is NULL?
2018-05-07 02:21 <djphil> return UUID_ZERO, False or "" ?
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2018-05-07 02:27 <Plugh> I set SnapshotUUID to NULL for one of my parcels. It caused OS to throw an exception on region startup.
2018-05-07 02:29 <Plugh> It killed the instance. It won't start.
2018-05-07 02:30 <djphil> lol
2018-05-07 02:30 <djphil> by "NULL" i mean the default value is set to "NULL"
2018-05-07 02:31 <djphil> but the field seems populated by a uuid_zero if no pics
2018-05-07 02:31 <djphil> and not by à empty field .... well i have wrong :s
2018-05-07 02:32 <djphil> opensim or viewer don't have any default pic for parcels ?
2018-05-07 02:32 <Plugh> AFAICT, the field will always have a UUID and never be NULL. If it is NULL the region won't be able to start.
2018-05-07 02:32 <djphil> yep!
2018-05-07 02:33 <Plugh> The default pic for parcels is the blue square with a white ? in it. (or that might be viewer specific).
2018-05-07 02:34 <djphil> if have ... maybee good to use this uuid instead of uuid_zero
2018-05-07 02:38 <Plugh> Ubit, Do you see any exceptions during shutdown of a region using httptests? I'm getting "[ERROR] FATAL UNHANDLED EXCEPTION: System.ArgumentNullException: Value cannot be null." when XEngine is shutting down scripts. In OpenSim/Region/ClientStack/Linden/Caps/GetTextureModule.cs:429
2018-05-07 02:38 <Ubit> no i don't
2018-05-07 02:38 <Plugh> hm...
2018-05-07 02:39 <Ubit> but during shutdown, some are still possible
2018-05-07 02:39 <BillBlight> I don't see any either
2018-05-07 02:39 <Ubit> because of multithreading
2018-05-07 02:40 <Ubit> some threads may kill things still needed by others
2018-05-07 02:40 <Ubit> a pain
2018-05-07 02:41 <Ubit> that one seems somthing was trying to get a texture
2018-05-07 02:41 <Ubit> no relation to xengine
2018-05-07 02:44 <Plugh> I have an object with a dynamic texture on it. I can touch the object and get the texture with master but when I use httptests it tells me that osSetDynamicTextureData is a denied function then tells me that All OS functions are disabled. 
2018-05-07 02:45 <Plugh> What's odd is that I'm both the estate owner and the land owner.
2018-05-07 02:46 <Plugh> I also have a user level of 250 in my standalone.
2018-05-07 02:47 <Ubit> are you using the new osslEnable,ini ?
2018-05-07 02:48 <Ubit> ie with section named [OSSL]
2018-05-07 02:49 <BillBlight> Yeah if you don't use the new osslEnable.ini that will give you an issue, OSSL permissions were moved out of [Xengine] and into [OSSL] since we now have more than one script engine
2018-05-07 02:50 <Plugh> Ah. yea. I see the section name changed.
2018-05-07 02:52 <Plugh> yup. That fixed things inworld. 
2018-05-07 02:52 <Plugh> Hm... now instead of just the simple error on shutdown I had before now I get red text. :P
2018-05-07 02:53 <BillBlight> if you shutdown that quick were scripts all initialized ?  they will blow up sometimes if you shut down while they are stills starting up
2018-05-07 02:54 <Plugh> Logins were enabled before I attempted a shutdown
2018-05-07 02:54 <BillBlight> could be a few things if you are using your old inis
2018-05-07 02:55 <Plugh> I have an idea about the cause. I'll check in to it more tomorrow. 
2018-05-07 02:57 <Plugh> I'm touching an object to generate a dynamic texture then shutting down. I wait until the viewer makes it appear the new texture has loaded before shutting down. The problem is probably related to that.
2018-05-07 03:09 <Ubit> how is map now bill ?
2018-05-07 03:09 <Ubit> well assuming you do see any dif lol
2018-05-07 03:09 <BillBlight> looks cleaner
2018-05-07 03:10 <Ubit> well that also depends on option to use textures or avg colors or just default colors
2018-05-07 03:10 <Ubit> still odd shadows
2018-05-07 03:11 <Ubit> and texture bake does not match viewers.. grrr
2018-05-07 03:12 <BillBlight> I have not looked at it much, and most my regions I don't render prims or meshes on the map so not a lot to look at yet
2018-05-07 03:12 <Ubit> close but not match
2018-05-07 03:12 <Ubit> i did not changed those
2018-05-07 03:12 <Ubit> as broken as before
2018-05-07 03:12 <Ubit> mainly changed terrain
2018-05-07 03:14 <Ubit> well terrain may still have issues prims textures have
2018-05-07 03:15 <Ubit> and i can't move the camera higher damm
2018-05-07 03:38 <djphil> In opensim, a user is allowed to add an event on a "public" parcel?
2018-05-07 03:39 <djphil> What is the rule?
2018-05-07 03:40 <Ubit> no idea
2018-05-07 03:41 <djphil> seems these are allowed:
2018-05-07 03:41 <djphil> <option value="" disabled="disabled">--- MY PARCELS ---</option>
2018-05-07 03:41 <djphil>                 <option value="" disabled="disabled">--- GROUP-OWNED PARCELS ---</option>
2018-05-07 03:41 <djphil>                 <option value="" disabled="disabled">--- PRIVATE ISLAND PARCELS ---</option>
2018-05-07 03:41 <djphil>                 <option value="" disabled="disabled">--- PRIVATE LINDEN PARCELS ---</option>
2018-05-07 03:41 <djphil>                 <option value="" disabled="disabled">--- FRIENDS-OWNED PARCELS ---</option>
2018-05-07 03:41 <djphil> but nothing about "public" parcels :s
2018-05-07 03:41 <BillBlight> yes they have to be group owned with group perms , personally owned yada
2018-05-07 03:42 <BillBlight> not on public unless it is group owned and you have that group perm
2018-05-07 03:42 <djphil> no idea about "public" Bill ?
2018-05-07 03:42 <BillBlight> "Public" is not allowed for anybody to host events
2018-05-07 03:42 <djphil> opps
2018-05-07 03:43 <djphil> ok ty
2018-05-07 03:43 <djphil> where you found this info ?
2018-05-07 03:43 <BillBlight> that is just how it works, did not have to go look for it
2018-05-07 03:43 <BillBlight> I guess I could find it maybe
2018-05-07 03:44 <djphil> well if you are 100% sure, that good for me
2018-05-07 03:44 <BillBlight> I know that is the way it works, but not sure where it is in the code
2018-05-07 03:45 <djphil> well, if that is the way, it's ok (now i know the right way)
2018-05-07 03:45 <djphil> just ask bc i try to complete the make-event.php
2018-05-07 03:46 <BillBlight> if you look at jopensim it also says that these perms are required, I'm sure he looked into it
2018-05-07 03:46 <djphil> on jopensim all options work but not on the opensim search related php files
2018-05-07 03:51 <djphil> just check on jopensim
2018-05-07 03:51 <djphil> and i see only "MY PARCELS"
2018-05-07 03:51 <djphil> :p
2018-05-07 04:28 <BillBlight> yes you have to have group privs on parcels you don't own, and the fact that you never renamed your parcels does not help either ..
2018-05-07 04:30 <djphil> Actually I noticed that also
2018-05-07 15:04 <djphil> ping BillBlight
2018-05-07 16:18 <BillBlight> Pong
2018-05-07 16:22 <djphil> Hi
2018-05-07 16:22 <BillBlight> 
ACTION waves

2018-05-07 16:22 <djphil> Today i'm looking the files you send me yesterday
2018-05-07 16:23 <djphil> And found why i can't get the right dll
2018-05-07 16:23 <BillBlight> ok
2018-05-07 16:23 <djphil> On the files you send to me i see you have renamed Barasonisx-Dwell-Module to x-Dwell-Module
2018-05-07 16:23 <BillBlight> umm
2018-05-07 16:23 <BillBlight> oops?
2018-05-07 16:23 <djphil> yep
2018-05-07 16:24 <BillBlight> If I did that it must have been an oops right before I saved it
2018-05-07 16:24 <BillBlight> and sent it
2018-05-07 16:24 <djphil> On the preebuild.xml
2018-05-07 16:24 <BillBlight> was not intentional
2018-05-07 16:24 <djphil> Today i reverse to the original name
2018-05-07 16:24 <djphil> and now, compile, create the dll and working 100% :)
2018-05-07 16:24 <BillBlight> yeah that would surely mess it up
2018-05-07 16:25 <djphil> I have just one question
2018-05-07 16:25 <BillBlight> I must have fat fingered the keyboard before I saved it
2018-05-07 16:25 <djphil> Np, is solved :)
2018-05-07 16:26 <djphil> my question is about public int GetDwell
2018-05-07 16:26 <djphil> i see two function with this name public int GetDwell
2018-05-07 16:26 <djphil> that not a problem ?
2018-05-07 16:26 <djphil> public int GetDwell(UUID parcelID) and public int GetDwell(LandData land)
2018-05-07 16:27 <BillBlight> hmmm, maybe I screwed it up more than I thought ... with .9x LandData land should work, I guess I did not see the other one, should have looked closer
2018-05-07 16:28 <djphil> These are these : https://pastebin.com/RcRsAdSC
2018-05-07 16:28 <BillBlight> I'll look at it again when I have a few
2018-05-07 16:29 <BillBlight> oh those are fine
2018-05-07 16:29 <djphil> The question is: Can you have two functions with the same name in C# ?
2018-05-07 16:29 <BillBlight> that is what I modified to make it work, pulled it right from the built in dwell module, to get rid of the interface issue
2018-05-07 16:30 <BillBlight> it is not defining the function, it is defining two different uses for the function
2018-05-07 16:30 <djphil> Ha ok, i understand
2018-05-07 16:30 <djphil> Well all is fine then
2018-05-07 16:31 <Ubit> (runprebuild needed on last commit)
2018-05-07 16:32 <BillBlight> <-- always runs prebuild
2018-05-07 16:32 <djphil> Hi Mr oops!
2018-05-07 16:32 <Ubit> :p
2018-05-07 16:34 <Ubit> does it compile and work bill ?
2018-05-07 16:34 <Ubit> my craplinux is still at start of compile :)
2018-05-07 16:34 <BillBlight> compiling now
2018-05-07 16:34 <BillBlight> let you know in a minute
2018-05-07 16:34 <Ubit> ty
2018-05-07 16:35 <Ubit> did i said prims textures are very very broken? 
2018-05-07 16:36 <Ubit> and warp3d does not suport alpha on them  bahh
2018-05-07 16:36 <BillBlight> yeah you did a while back
2018-05-07 16:36 <Ubit> and no mapping type, offset, rotation blablabla
2018-05-07 16:37 <BillBlight> It compiled , starting automated testing
2018-05-07 16:37 <Ubit> real test is eyes :p
2018-05-07 16:37 <BillBlight> yes
2018-05-07 16:37 <BillBlight> will drop it in a sim in a bit
2018-05-07 16:39 <Ubit> the primmehers used from libovm seens to not know how to decode some meshs 
2018-05-07 16:39 <Ubit> well my linux map seens still there :)
2018-05-07 16:39 <Ubit> seems
2018-05-07 16:42 <Tampa> Don't forget to actually document this stuff on the wiki somewhere so people can find it again :)
2018-05-07 16:43 <Ubit> only the new options  rest is just fixing
2018-05-07 16:43 <Ubit> well  improving a bit
2018-05-07 16:44 <Tampa> Talking about this dwell stuff rather than warp3d, which by the way thank you for taking a look at, been driving me nuts that thing
2018-05-07 16:45 <BillBlight> the dwell stuff is a 3rd party module we have been playing with not the core module
2018-05-07 16:46 <Ubit> im not looking to dwell at all :p
2018-05-07 16:49 <Tampa> Hm, well document it somewhere before it's getting lost again
2018-05-07 16:49 <BillBlight> Nothing to get lost actually the 3rd party module did not work with .9x hacked it a bit to make it work, it is the Barsonix dwell module
2018-05-07 16:50 <BillBlight> I'll throw the code up on my github, after djphil makes sure it works, and I'm sure he'll have it on his
2018-05-07 16:51 <BillBlight> I don't care to use it, the built in dwell is fine by me, also nothing I can't do with PHP/LSL anyway ..
2018-05-07 16:52 <djphil> Yes i will pull it on my github too (with a "tanks" file or contributor file)
2018-05-07 16:52 <BillBlight> the basonix dwell module borders on violating the GDPR
2018-05-07 16:53 <djphil> First i loo
2018-05-07 16:53 <djphil> oops!
2018-05-07 16:53 <BillBlight> it logs a lot of information that the GDPR may not like
2018-05-07 16:53 <Ubit> i told u that yesterday :p
2018-05-07 16:53 <BillBlight> I know you did
2018-05-07 16:54 <BillBlight> I'm just repeating it
2018-05-07 16:54 <djphil> All info it log can be obtained with lsl
2018-05-07 16:54 <Ubit> key is LOG
2018-05-07 16:54 <Tampa> GDPR does not even apply to any of this
2018-05-07 16:54 <BillBlight> right but lsl can be turned on and off in world, the module requires a sim/region restart to disable it
2018-05-07 16:54 <BillBlight> actually it does Tampa
2018-05-07 16:55 <BillBlight> have you read it?
2018-05-07 16:55 <Tampa> Unlike apparently everyone on G+ I have and no grid under the sun has to abide by it, they are not big enough simple as that
2018-05-07 16:56 <BillBlight> being "not big enough" and "violating" it are mutually exclusive there is no "size" requirement for the GDPR
2018-05-07 16:57 <BillBlight> the only size requirement mentioned in the GDPR is if you have more than 250 employees you are required to register an ICO
2018-05-07 16:57 <djphil> but what is the difference with log from lsl or log from Dwell
2018-05-07 16:57 <BillBlight> or if you process medical/financial information
2018-05-07 16:57 <djphil> both are logs ...
2018-05-07 16:58 <djphil> with exactly sames datas on the log ...
2018-05-07 16:58 <BillBlight> not if I don't log HG visitors, or do a geoip lookup and don't log those
2018-05-07 16:59 <BillBlight> if I do a geo ip look up and don't log the user info only the fact that someone was there, then I am not storing that info
2018-05-07 17:00 <BillBlight> which is what the built in dwell module does, it does not store any user info , just the fact that someone was there
2018-05-07 17:01 <djphil> opensim sim log storing the ip's
2018-05-07 17:02 <djphil> not in database but on the lof file ....
2018-05-07 17:02 <djphil> that not the same ?
2018-05-07 17:02 <BillBlight> I think those would fall under the security provision, but at the same time, I delete my logs after x number of days
2018-05-07 17:02 <djphil> (i mean opensim.log) and ( robust.log)
2018-05-07 17:03 <djphil> Well i will add new button to the php Dwell frontend to "Purge" old datas :p
2018-05-07 17:03 <djphil> That better ?
2018-05-07 17:05 <BillBlight> I think it might be better if you read the "right to be forgotten" and storage sections of the GDPR
2018-05-07 17:05 <BillBlight> I did talk to a legal advisor in the UK, about this, and it is really murky
2018-05-07 17:06 <djphil> Where i can read that ?
2018-05-07 17:06 <BillBlight> https://gdpr-info.eu/
2018-05-07 17:06 <djphil> Ouch! :o
2018-05-07 17:07 <djphil> I have some reading there!
2018-05-07 17:08 <BillBlight> yes, how open grids are run, it is pretty much impossible to abide by it, there are a few clauses we can use, but unlike what Tampa says, it does apply to grids , regardless of their size .. It can even be applied to person to person transactions ..
2018-05-07 17:09 <BillBlight> I have some sql scripts ready to go to allow me to pseudo-anonymize user data, to satisfy that section, by replacing a users UUID and Name with a new one
2018-05-07 17:09 <BillBlight> so that items they created and gave copies of do not get screwed up if they request deletion
2018-05-07 17:10 <djphil> Yes or with bcript or something like that
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2018-05-07 22:57 <djphil> Hi Plugh, i test the search parser.php today
2018-05-07 22:58 <Plugh> I did some tests last night with it in a grid.
2018-05-07 22:59 <Plugh> Did you see any problems?
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2018-05-07 23:16 <djphil> plugh : the has_picture seems working but not sure for the matutity (remain 0 but is PG) and the dwell datas (remain 0 on "popularplaces" but is 8 on "land" db). Something wrong maybee ...
2018-05-07 23:17 <djphil> https://image.ibb.co/bStuW7/2018_05_08_00_02_39.png
2018-05-07 23:31 <Plugh> The maturity settings showed correctly in my standalone. I'll have to check where it gets the maturity information and how its saved. There may have been a change in the database values at some point.
2018-05-07 23:31 <djphil> ok, cool
2018-05-07 23:32 <djphil> ha yes, i found a minor syntaxe error on the first save request
2018-05-07 23:33 <djphil> just remove the  ' . ' from the VALUES(....)
2018-05-07 23:33 <djphil> +/- line 222
2018-05-07 23:35 <djphil> for info about maturity, on "parcels" table the fields "maturity' is correct
2018-05-07 23:36 <djphil> Probably come from land > LandFlags
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2018-05-08 15:07 <Plugh> djphil_: I'm thinking about removing that zero UUID check when deciding if a region has a snapshot set. Looking in to whether I needed to add another check or not I now know that if the image tag is present we have a valid non-zero UUID for the snapshot.
2018-05-08 16:45 <Ubit> should water be transparent ?
2018-05-08 16:45 <Ubit> as is is now
2018-05-08 17:12 <djphil_> Ok Plugh, if you are sure it is not necessary to check if the uuid is not a uuid_zero or a valid uuid or a poorly trained uuid.
2018-05-08 17:13 <Plugh> The image tag is only generated if the UUID is not zero.
2018-05-08 17:13 <Plugh> I'm not sure what you mean by "poorly trained uuid".
2018-05-08 17:13 <djphil_> i mean a malformed uuid
2018-05-08 17:14 <djphil_> Often it is prudent to check the data, if it is well as we expect to have it
2018-05-08 17:14 <Plugh> I think something would have to go seriously wrong to get an invalid UUID string.
2018-05-08 17:15 <djphil_> Hehe :p
2018-05-08 17:16 <BillBlight> Ubit, the water transparancy does give the map a better feel to what the region actually looks like, but not sure people look at the map long enough to really care ..
2018-05-08 17:17 <djphil_> Plugh : I do not know how uuid is added ... If it is reliable then probably we do not need additional verification :)
2018-05-08 17:21 <djphil_> Hmmmm, just found another probelm Plugh
2018-05-08 17:23 <djphil_> I left my opensim grid open all night
2018-05-08 17:23 <djphil_> Now I see 20 registered simulator
2018-05-08 17:23 <djphil_> It seems he did not erase the old simulator before re-adding them
2018-05-08 17:23 <djphil_> Yet I saw you added a DELETE ...
2018-05-08 17:23 <djphil_> Hmmm something seems bad there
2018-05-08 17:23 <djphil_> We need to remove old registred simulator before add new
2018-05-08 17:25 <djphil_> DELETE or maybee just UPDATE ... but not add new one :p
2018-05-08 17:28 <djphil_> I see in regsited.php there is already all this ... Mmmm maybe an error in the syntax somewhere then that prevents the request from executing properly
2018-05-08 17:35 <BillBlight> if you are using a  equals statement to match the uuid maybe use it as a %uuid% as I have seen the dashes in the uuid throw off an exact match
2018-05-08 17:35 <djphil_> Plug : Ok, forget what I just said for hostregistred
2018-05-08 17:35 <djphil_> I just checked in my code, the mistake is from me
2018-05-08 17:35 <djphil_> I did not look in the good database table
2018-05-08 17:35 <djphil_> Everything is ok it seems
2018-05-08 17:37 <djphil_> Bill, We check the presence of a uuid but we do not know what uuid it should be. We only know it's a picture uuid
2018-05-08 17:39 <djphil_> That for the "has_picture" in the "popularplaces"
2018-05-08 17:41 <BillBlight> I was speaking to your region register update issue
2018-05-08 17:41 <djphil_> Ha oki
2018-05-08 17:42 <djphil_> The error about this is mine :p
2018-05-08 17:42 <BillBlight> I saw that after I spoke
2018-05-08 17:47 <djphil_> By cons I see that search has no database table for people (for search people)
2018-05-08 17:48 <djphil_> Probably for that "show in search" profile never worked :p
2018-05-08 17:52 <djphil_> Maybee is the "visible" fields on "usersettings" db
2018-05-08 17:54 <djphil_> Profile database is not documented I think
2018-05-08 18:03 <Plugh> AFAIK, show in search only affects profiles being accessed via a web page and does not affect profiles inworld. 
2018-05-08 18:03 <Plugh> I may be misremembering about if it has any affect inworld or not.
2018-05-08 18:05 <djphil_> That not only a profile part but a search part too
2018-05-08 18:05 <djphil_> https://search.secondlife.com/?query_term=&collection_chosen=people&isLeftColOpen=True
2018-05-08 18:07 <djphil_> And as you can see, there are also "Destinations" in the search
2018-05-08 18:07 <djphil_> And many categories
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2018-05-09 08:33 <osmantis> Bug #8266:04 Feature Wish: configurable persistent mute-list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8266 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-05-09 13:26 <osmantis> Bug #8266:04 Feature Wish: configurable persistent mute-list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8266 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2018-05-09 19:27 <djphil> Plugh, do you know where i can get infos about MuteList module "flags" & "type" ?
2018-05-09 19:49 <Ubit> dj seem my comment about the wiki on mantis ?
2018-05-09 19:49 <djphil> YEap i read it :)
2018-05-09 19:50 <djphil> Well i can add this info on the new wiki page (on top "now Mutelist is a Core mudule").
2018-05-09 19:51 <djphil> But leave the database infos below
2018-05-09 19:59 <djphil> Ubit : I guess the database is the same for the Core module and the External module and just the external php file is not needed with the module code. Right ?
2018-05-09 20:02 <Ubit> don't remember
2018-05-09 20:02 <djphil> ^^
2018-05-09 20:03 <djphil> The new wiki page is obsolet for 0.9.1 (httptest branch), but isn't for 0.9.0
2018-05-09 20:04 <djphil> I'm going to add a red colored banner to inform about it on the wiki
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2018-05-11 23:56 <tx0h> hi
2018-05-11 23:58 <tx0h> Ubit: i still had problem with create user ... "model name" but i wrote a patch to copy directly from the Clothing directory. are you interested in the patch?
2018-05-12 14:36 <Ubit> good afternnon or what applies to your timezone
2018-05-12 14:38 <Ubit> tx0h that should work, but sure i can see yr patch
2018-05-12 14:39 <Ubit> but our code needs to work, bc it actually does that
2018-05-12 14:40 <Ubit> hope you did not forgot to use proper base model ( full perms, nothing for library for now, etc )
2018-05-12 14:42 <tx0h> http://pasteall.org/959493
2018-05-12 14:43 <tx0h> with this patch, it works always. with the status quo is works sometimes.
2018-05-12 14:44 <Ubit> so wearables list is wrong ?
2018-05-12 14:44 <tx0h> believe me, there is something broken with the wearables.
2018-05-12 14:46 <tx0h> the Avatars table has no correct entries. most stuff worn by avatars don't have an entry in there.
2018-05-12 14:46 <Ubit> well you code will copy any possible things source has on clothing
2018-05-12 14:46 <tx0h> yepp, it works for all my template models. thats why i made them.
2018-05-12 14:46 <Ubit> and worse, avatar can be wearing things not there
2018-05-12 14:46 <Ubit> like body parts
2018-05-12 14:47 <Ubit> see ?
2018-05-12 14:48 <Ubit> and it can wear anything from anywhere right ?
2018-05-12 14:48 <Ubit> what does break ?
2018-05-12 14:49 <tx0h> what do you mean? it get all from the models clothing folder.
2018-05-12 14:49 <Ubit> that is not necessary the case
2018-05-12 14:49 <Ubit> as i say you can wear things from anywhere
2018-05-12 14:50 <Ubit> body parts default location is actually Body parts folder
2018-05-12 14:50 <tx0h> what is anywhere? i get all content from the systems Clothing folder
2018-05-12 14:50 <Ubit> understand ?
2018-05-12 14:51 <tx0h> i copied all stuff to wear into the Clothing folder. there are no links.
2018-05-12 14:51 <Ubit> that is a option of course, but its still another restriction to the model
2018-05-12 14:51 <tx0h> and the models are just template users which don't login
2018-05-12 14:52 <Ubit> lets go back a bit
2018-05-12 14:52 <Ubit> what does break ?
2018-05-12 14:52 <tx0h> in the status quo, the Avtaars table don't have entries to wearables in my instance
2018-05-12 14:53 <tx0h> the wearbles list is more or less empty
2018-05-12 14:53 <Ubit> you never used those avatars ?
2018-05-12 14:54 <tx0h> only attachments get copied and the visual parameters (the cloud has the shape of the model)
2018-05-12 14:54 <Ubit> ok how have you done the base model ?
2018-05-12 14:55 <tx0h> i used them to estable the template (so, i dressed them and copied all stuff into the clothing folder)
2018-05-12 14:55 <Ubit> i mean before you patch
2018-05-12 14:56 <tx0h> i created shape, skin, eyes and hair in the viewer (singularity), edited them in appearance mode, saved them and copied them to the Clothing folder.
2018-05-12 14:56 <tx0h> yes
2018-05-12 14:57 <Ubit> did you wear those items ?
2018-05-12 14:57 <tx0h> yes
2018-05-12 14:57 <tx0h> but from the Clothing folder
2018-05-12 14:57 <tx0h> but i also tested without wearing them
2018-05-12 14:58 <tx0h> and i tried logged in and logged out. i tried everything and the status quo isn't working.
2018-05-12 14:58 <BillBlight> Cloning a model is only supposed to copy what you are wearing, not any other items regardless of where they are, BodyParts such as skin, shape, should be in the BodyParts folder , not the clothing folder ..
2018-05-12 14:58 <Ubit> well only using the clothing folder is a hard restriction :(
2018-05-12 14:59 <Ubit> so you say attachments to show up? not body parts ?
2018-05-12 14:59 <Ubit> .. do show up..
2018-05-12 14:59 <tx0h> for me, this patch works and i know how to use it.
2018-05-12 15:00 <Ubit> yes but i need to think for all :p
2018-05-12 15:00 <BillBlight> NOTE: Occasionally dependnig on the viewer, the parts are actually there, they just get dumped in the lost and found, when you clone a model
2018-05-12 15:00 <tx0h> yes, wearbles list is empty, only avatar height and stuff
2018-05-12 15:00 <Ubit> the less restrictions/rules the better
2018-05-12 15:00 <Ubit> original idea of that was to use any avatar as base model
2018-05-12 15:01 <Ubit> ( that does have some rights problems, but whatever )
2018-05-12 15:01 <tx0h> but thats far from what you need to create a new user with a list of prepared templates.
2018-05-12 15:03 <tx0h> for me, this feature is just for create users which didn't look like ruth. the users get an image of some prepared templates and can chose on of them. just to don't start as ruth.
2018-05-12 15:04 <Ubit> you are on httptests?
2018-05-12 15:04 <tx0h> no, still not. i'm not sure if it will work out on arm7
2018-05-12 15:05 <Ubit> well im working only on it now :(
2018-05-12 15:06 <tx0h> because my mono environment is still 4.6.2
2018-05-12 15:06 <BillBlight> httptests is master, master, should be considered depreciated, am I wrong about that Ubit?
2018-05-12 15:06 <tx0h> today is eurovision from lisbon
2018-05-12 15:06 <tx0h> :-)
2018-05-12 15:07 <Ubit> yeap its kinda like that
2018-05-12 15:07 <tx0h> but will it compile with 4.6.2?
2018-05-12 15:07 <BillBlight> yes
2018-05-12 15:07 <BillBlight> no
2018-05-12 15:07 <BillBlight> not mono
2018-05-12 15:07 <BillBlight> .net 4.6
2018-05-12 15:07 <BillBlight> mono 5x
2018-05-12 15:07 <Ubit> but i would not say depreciated, because it is even newer than release :)
2018-05-12 15:08 <BillBlight> yes, why I said "considered" it's official status not withstanding
2018-05-12 15:11 <tx0h> but there is no mono 5x in the repository yet
2018-05-12 15:12 <tx0h> i'm hapy, i can use create user with model now :-)
2018-05-12 15:13 <Ubit> well but i can't use your solution
2018-05-12 15:13 <tx0h> i wrote a little web app for the splash screen in node, where you can chose your avatar and register a new user. just a couple of 100 lines of code
2018-05-12 15:13 <Ubit> need to understand your original problem
2018-05-12 15:14 <tx0h> ubit: yes, i would be happy if the status quo would work for me too. but it tried really everything.
2018-05-12 15:14 <Ubit> can you clear viewer cache and log in with one of those base model avatars you made ?
2018-05-12 15:15 <tx0h> and the wearables list stays empty. i traced even the database queries.
2018-05-12 15:15 <tx0h> i didn't cleared the cache, but i rebaked.
2018-05-12 15:15 <Ubit> that sounds like something wrong or odd on those models creations
2018-05-12 15:16 <tx0h> and stay as cloud, i don't see any body parts copied in the new users inventory.
2018-05-12 15:16 <Ubit> viewer keeps parts in cache, it may hide fails
2018-05-12 15:16 <Ubit> so can you test that?
2018-05-12 15:17 <tx0h> i just see the, can't copy message and instead it 'copies' non-existent assets.
2018-05-12 15:17 <Ubit> ??
2018-05-12 15:17 <tx0h> ubit: really, if the body parts didn't appear in the inventory, i refuse to try it.
2018-05-12 15:18 <Ubit> look can you test those base avatars with clear viewer cache or not?
2018-05-12 15:19 <BillBlight> I have tried to replicate your issue tx0h and cannot, the closest I can get is sometimes, on first login the bodyparts go to lost and found instead of to the body parts folder , but that is incosistent.
2018-05-12 15:20 <BillBlight> and since they are in lost and found they can't be worn
2018-05-12 15:20 <Ubit> it looks to me the issue is not on that code but elsewhere
2018-05-12 15:21 <Ubit> appearance there should be set with all wearables
2018-05-12 15:21 <tx0h> BillBlight: how does the Avatars table entries looks like for the models?
2018-05-12 15:21 <Ubit> so, creating and storing the appearance did fail
2018-05-12 15:21 <tx0h> mine mostly have an avatars type 1 serial 2 and visual entry
2018-05-12 15:21 <Ubit> so again.. test the base model  with a clear cache viewer
2018-05-12 15:22 <BillBlight> they look what I would consider "normal", except in the case where things go to lost and found then it is empty, until you move the items and rewear them
2018-05-12 15:23 <Ubit> but i do see a potencial issue on our code, but for other cases..
2018-05-12 15:24 <tx0h> wait, i will stash my changes.. and try.
2018-05-12 15:26 <tx0h> but i'm sure, it will not work out..
2018-05-12 15:27 <Ubit> i jsut ask to test the base models 
2018-05-12 15:28 <Ubit> copy will not work if they are broken, right ??
2018-05-12 15:29 <tx0h> what do you mean with 'base models'? they have skin, shape, eyes, hair. shirt and pants.
2018-05-12 15:30 <tx0h> plain, simple stuff. edited in appearance mode.
2018-05-12 15:32 <tx0h> 15:31:46 - [ubOde] start processing pending actor operations takes a while, scripts also.
2018-05-12 15:33 <tx0h> and what means broken?
2018-05-12 15:33 <Ubit> is cloud.. has missing things... that
2018-05-12 15:33 <tx0h> no, when i log in with the template users, they are all fine.
2018-05-12 15:34 <Ubit> with CLEAR VIWER CACHE
2018-05-12 15:34 <Ubit> damm
2018-05-12 15:34 <Ubit> im that hard to read ?
2018-05-12 15:34 <tx0h> no clouds. well.. they are grey because of singularity, but after a rebake they are all fine.
2018-05-12 15:39 <tx0h> ok, sim up. cache cleared, user created, logged in, lost+found empty -- all empty no body parts, no wearables copied. i'm a cloud with the shape (visible paramates) of the model avatar. no eyes, no skin, no shape, no hair copied. inventory complete empty.
2018-05-12 15:39 <Ubit> i said.. base model.. not copies
2018-05-12 15:39 <tx0h> haeh??
2018-05-12 15:40 <Ubit> log with avatar that you used as model
2018-05-12 15:40 <tx0h> when i create a users, it should copy these stuff into my inventory. no?
2018-05-12 15:40 <Ubit> MODEL is a valid existent avatar
2018-05-12 15:41 <Ubit> test those
2018-05-12 15:41 <tx0h> ok, new user deleted, cache cleared, i login as a model
2018-05-12 15:42 <tx0h> looks like expected
2018-05-12 15:43 <tx0h> all things worn from the Clothing directory. (model)
2018-05-12 15:43 <Ubit> so it  did work all fine ?
2018-05-12 15:44 <Ubit> current outfit is fine ?
2018-05-12 15:44 <tx0h> sure.
2018-05-12 15:44 <tx0h> i knew it is fine.
2018-05-12 15:45 <tx0h> http://pasteall.org/959597
2018-05-12 15:46 <tx0h> this is the Avatars entry of the model after i logged in and all looks fine.
2018-05-12 15:46 <tx0h> and this is, what is copied to the new created user.
2018-05-12 15:49 <tx0h> oh, and cache is cleared.
2018-05-12 15:50 <tx0h> the model isn't 'broken'.
2018-05-12 15:53 <tx0h> http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=816f6eb80b2225f997adc2e4a6decabb
2018-05-12 15:54 <tx0h> this is a screenshot of the model avatar with opened inventory
2018-05-12 15:54 <Ubit> you are so ugly :p
2018-05-12 15:54 <tx0h> it's better then ruth!
2018-05-12 15:55 <Ubit> nahh ruth is a girl.. that makes her better :p
2018-05-12 15:55 <tx0h> ok, that might be.
2018-05-12 15:56 <tx0h> but this is just the simplest model
2018-05-12 15:57 <tx0h> i don't know why the Avatars table is so empty. but this is, where wearbales get stored, or not? as inventoryID:assetID tuples, right?
2018-05-12 15:57 <Ubit> well using my normal avatar as model does show wearables
2018-05-12 15:57 <tx0h> in the Avatars table?
2018-05-12 15:58 <Ubit> in debug the code
2018-05-12 15:58 <tx0h> and in the database?
2018-05-12 15:58 <Ubit> i don't care about the db, only if code sees it
2018-05-12 15:59 <Ubit> bc if code sees it, its there right ? :p
2018-05-12 15:59 <tx0h> how can i check that? i have no debugger installed or something
2018-05-12 16:00 <Ubit> im running robust on vs2017 in debug
2018-05-12 16:00 <tx0h> it should be stored in the database anyway.
2018-05-12 16:00 <Ubit> with breakpoints :p
2018-05-12 16:01 <tx0h> http://pasteall.org/959617
2018-05-12 16:01 <tx0h> this is how appreance show looks like
2018-05-12 16:03 <tx0h> don't know why shirt and pants didn't show in this list...
2018-05-12 16:05 <tx0h> whats next? create user ... model?
2018-05-12 16:08 <tx0h> wearables show gives an empty list
2018-05-12 16:14 <tx0h> 
ACTION sighs

2018-05-12 16:19 <tx0h> well, if this was it, i will switch back to my version.. else, i do what you like me to do..
2018-05-12 16:24 <tx0h> germany: zero points.
2018-05-12 18:02 <Ubit> what is template nr1 ? the model source ?
2018-05-12 18:08 <Ubit> and that command only shows baked textures
2018-05-12 18:09 <Ubit> misleading name
2018-05-12 18:10 <Ubit> see  help appearance show
2018-05-12 18:35 <Ubit> comand to check wearables on a region is
2018-05-12 18:35 <Ubit> wearables check <first-name> <last-name>
2018-05-12 18:35 <Ubit> but avatar must be there
2018-05-12 18:43 <Ubit> what hell invalid command lol
2018-05-12 18:44 <Ubit> oops typo :)
2018-05-12 20:32 <Ubit> login into a region that is not running does not work.. amasing :p
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2018-05-13 00:35 <Ubit> oops
2018-05-13 11:56 <snik> i gather for OpenSim v0.9.1, MuteList is a Core module, but I cant see it in 0.9.1 dev branch, is it yet to be added?
2018-05-13 12:24 <BillBlight> Snik, all updates now go to the httptests branch, for the time being httptests should be considered master
2018-05-13 12:29 <BillBlight> ^^  That is per what Ubit has said
2018-05-13 12:50 <Melanie_T> well, master is master in the sense that it will run anywhere
2018-05-13 12:50 <Melanie_T> httptests, which will eventually become master, requires mono 5.5+
2018-05-13 12:50 <Melanie_T> i'm all for making that the new baseline
2018-05-13 12:51 <Melanie_T> c#11 is awesome
2018-05-13 12:52 <Melanie_T> erm, 11 is c++
2018-05-13 12:52 <Melanie_T> c#7
2018-05-13 12:52 <Melanie_T> is what i meant
2018-05-13 13:19 <BillBlight> Yeah , just repeating what Ubit has said, httptests would be master if the dev box was up to date ..
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2018-05-14 00:55 <smxy> Is there a minimum Mono version for building and running httptests? I want to be sure I have that, before I dive in.
2018-05-14 01:04 <Tampa> 5.4.1 works well from my testing, but likely any 5.x version will
2018-05-14 01:58 <Plugh> I've built it with 5.2
2018-05-14 03:24 <smxy> Thanks.
2018-05-14 03:25 <smxy> 5.4.1 is close to what I have now (5.4.0.56).
2018-05-14 03:25 <smxy> So it won't be a big leap.
2018-05-14 03:28 <Plugh> Evening, djphil
2018-05-14 03:57 <Ubit> xxii they are on 5.20 now
2018-05-14 03:58 <Ubit> oops no.. 5.12 :)
2018-05-14 03:59 <Plugh> The way they are going they will be on 5.20 before you know it. :)
2018-05-14 04:07 <Ubit> yeap next week or so :)
2018-05-14 04:08 <Ubit> scary the number of bug fixes they list
2018-05-14 04:11 <smxy> I just turned 60, a few minutes ago. Hrmph.
2018-05-14 04:12 <Ubit> sorry to read that, lets pretend it was 6 not 60 :p
2018-05-14 04:13 <Ubit> kidding .. happy bf :)
2018-05-14 04:13 <smxy> haha
2018-05-14 04:13 <smxy> thsnks
2018-05-14 04:13 <smxy> thanks*
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2018-05-14 15:09 <Plugh> djphil: Make sure you have applied all the database migrations for the OpenSimSearch module.
2018-05-14 17:54 <Plugh> djphil: ping
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2018-05-15 03:23 <djphil> pong Plugh
2018-05-15 03:24 <Plugh> I pushed another update to the search module. The problem with the maturity information is the popularplaces table wasn't being populated until now and its schema was out of date.
2018-05-15 03:24 <Plugh> You want to make sure your search tables have been updated fully.
2018-05-15 03:24 <djphil> I saw your sql migration file but I have not applied it yet.
2018-05-15 03:25 <Plugh> ok. That migration files been around for a while. I just added one more migration step.
2018-05-15 03:25 <djphil> Ok
2018-05-15 03:25 <djphil> just one think
2018-05-15 03:26 <djphil> i think "PG" in now "G"
2018-05-15 03:26 <djphil> maybee opensim use again PG, but SL use G
2018-05-15 03:27 <Plugh> AFAIK, OS is using PG.
2018-05-15 03:27 <Plugh> The datasnapshot module is certainly using it as I just save what category it passes along.
2018-05-15 03:28 <djphil> in the past SL use PG too but now is G
2018-05-15 03:31 <djphil> About MuteList, do you know now what is "type" and "flags" definition ?
2018-05-15 04:22 <Plugh> IIRC, type is agent or object.
2018-05-15 04:23 <Plugh> I am not sure about flags off hand. I'd have to look in to the code.
2018-05-15 04:25 <djphil> There are only 1 or 2 for "type" you think
2018-05-15 04:25 <djphil> oops :p
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2018-05-15 07:04 <ssm2017>  
2018-05-15 07:36 <tx0h> hello, i need some help, i guess. i compiled mono 5.10.1.47 on my arm7 system, i git checkout httptests and now i run into compile probs. maybe someone here is able to give me the right hints.
2018-05-15 07:38 <tx0h> http://pasteall.org/963067
2018-05-15 07:56 <Tampa_> Don't compile mono use the package maintainer version instead, that should allow you to compile and run
2018-05-15 07:56 <tx0h> lol. what do you think why i compiled it myself?
2018-05-15 08:01 <Tampa> Are you trying to compile with nant?
2018-05-15 08:01 <tx0h> yes
2018-05-15 08:02 <Tampa> Use xbuild or msbuild
2018-05-15 08:02 <tx0h> it's also visible in the pastebin
2018-05-15 08:03 <tx0h> xbuild is still in work
2018-05-15 08:03 <tx0h> ah, finished. looks better
2018-05-15 08:05 <tx0h> it seems xbuild did the job.
2018-05-15 08:05 <tx0h> but why?
2018-05-15 08:06 <Tampa> I treat nant as fallback because xbuild and msbuild are the ones in use at the moment, even though they should both work, well there is too much at play to say what exactly is broken, maybe Ubit knows.
2018-05-15 08:06 <tx0h> and why does both use the 4.5 framework?
2018-05-15 08:07 <Tampa> Different prebuild to master
2018-05-15 08:08 <tx0h> but shouldn't it use 4.6 or even higher?
2018-05-15 08:10 <tx0h> right, ubit should know all answers. but he can't really do everything himself.
2018-05-15 08:46 <tx0h> somehow, with httptests, the network traffic seems very low and assets/inventory loads very slow.
2018-05-15 09:24 <tx0h> brb
2018-05-15 09:56 <Tampa> I experience the opposite actually, though my testing environment is not exactly the same
2018-05-15 10:11 <tx0h> it's very odd
2018-05-15 10:13 <tx0h> my client gets more stress and the bandwidth is around 100kbps. i still load assets/
2018-05-15 10:13 <tx0h> the statistics bar says about 10 objects / s
2018-05-15 10:17 <tx0h> 10kbps for objects (udp) i meant
2018-05-15 10:20 <tx0h> did i miss a special config param?
2018-05-15 10:34 <Tampa> There are some different parameters you can try that may work better with httptests vs master, but I don't remember what they were, keep poking Ubit some more heh
2018-05-15 10:38 <tx0h> i get a lot timeouts status 497 and 498
2018-05-15 10:39 <tx0h> unexpected http errors.. just opened the debug console in the client
2018-05-15 13:06 <BillBlight> nant does not support .NET 4.6 nant has not been updated in like 2 years
2018-05-15 13:09 <BillBlight> txOh you need to make sure you use the config files that came with httptests for starters, not the ones from master, some things changed , and you may see a lot of timeouts in the console, of the client, even on master, the viewer looks for a lot of hard coded SL stuff that does not exist in opensim ..  but what are the timeouts on, what services/url ?
2018-05-15 13:14 <BillBlight> msbuild is actually the prefered way to build httptests
2018-05-15 13:49 <tx0h> BillBlight: i was on git master and switched over to httptests
2018-05-15 13:49 <tx0h> what do i miss? where do i get it?
2018-05-15 13:52 <tx0h> and i'm on linux, so no msbuild
2018-05-15 14:01 <Ubit> you need to get it and install also
2018-05-15 14:01 <Ubit> msbuild is also a linux app noo
2018-05-15 14:01 <Ubit> now
2018-05-15 14:02 <Ubit> xbuild will be removed from mono, it seems
2018-05-15 14:02 <Ubit> fixed that Linq issue ?
2018-05-15 14:03 <Ubit> ( guess for now xbuild still works.. )
2018-05-15 14:03 <Ubit> and why are you getting https related errrors ?
2018-05-15 14:04 <tx0h> http://pasteall.org/963425
2018-05-15 14:04 <tx0h> yes, all builds with xbuild
2018-05-15 14:05 <Ubit> thats viewer log right ?
2018-05-15 14:05 <tx0h> i cleared the client cache and it took a very long time to load my region with about 100kbps average
2018-05-15 14:06 <tx0h> yes, vierlog
2018-05-15 14:06 <tx0h> viewer
2018-05-15 14:06 <tx0h> object udp was about 10kbps
2018-05-15 14:06 <Ubit> well for me its identical if not a bit faster than master
2018-05-15 14:07 <Ubit> and llupd code is pretty much the same as master
2018-05-15 14:07 <BillBlight> yes msbuild is included with mono complete
2018-05-15 14:07 <BillBlight> on linux
2018-05-15 14:07 <tx0h> hmm.. i just know, it normaly loaded the whole region in about 10min before, not 2 hrs
2018-05-15 14:07 <Ubit> yes bill but compiling possible it is a dif package
2018-05-15 14:08 <BillBlight> yeah, true
2018-05-15 14:08 <tx0h> i will look for msbuild
2018-05-15 14:08 <BillBlight> hmmm not sure why your regions are taking that long to startup ... that is very weird
2018-05-15 14:08 <Ubit> 10m to load the region on viewer ?
2018-05-15 14:08 <tx0h> yes
2018-05-15 14:08 <Ubit> or first run time ?
2018-05-15 14:09 <Ubit> ie region load ?
2018-05-15 14:09 <tx0h> with a cleared cache. but with httptests it tool really long
2018-05-15 14:09 <tx0h> no, startup of the regions is like before.. but loading the stuff into the client took ages
2018-05-15 14:09 <BillBlight> What viewer?
2018-05-15 14:09 <Ubit> well as i said, lludp is basicly the same
2018-05-15 14:10 <tx0h> singularity
2018-05-15 14:10 <Ubit> and what takes long?
2018-05-15 14:10 <BillBlight> Lots of mesh?
2018-05-15 14:10 <tx0h> yes, lots of meshes
2018-05-15 14:10 <Ubit> ok meshs are slower :p
2018-05-15 14:10 <BillBlight> try a different viewer just for comparison
2018-05-15 14:11 <Ubit> but you should see gray non mesh stuff in about the same time, right?
2018-05-15 14:11 <tx0h> shall i try to recompile it first with the settings you mentioned?
2018-05-15 14:11 <Ubit> and how many prims are there ?
2018-05-15 14:12 <BillBlight> You running in debug or did you build release?
2018-05-15 14:12 <tx0h> ubit: some meshes where grey somethings, some weren't visible but selectible
2018-05-15 14:12 <Ubit> i did not said that :p
2018-05-15 14:12 <tx0h> i guess debug, as i said, i switched branch from master to httptests
2018-05-15 14:12 <Ubit> i asked about non mesh prims :p
2018-05-15 14:13 <Ubit> to do release you need to tell it to xbuild
2018-05-15 14:13 <tx0h> no, billblight mentioned some 'starters for httptests' settings
2018-05-15 14:13 <Ubit> don't remember the xbuild option :p
2018-05-15 14:13 <tx0h> ah, non mesh prims also took a while, especially textures
2018-05-15 14:14 <Ubit> again i asked GREY ... ie before getting the meshes lol
2018-05-15 14:15 <tx0h> but yes, they where faster, i think. can't tell because i don't have so much 'normal' prims
2018-05-15 14:15 <Ubit> ok
2018-05-15 14:15 <Ubit> textures and meshes are slower on httptests yes
2018-05-15 14:16 <Ubit> but don't think 2 hours slower..
2018-05-15 14:16 <tx0h> but it's noticeable slower
2018-05-15 14:16 <tx0h> before i redo it, i like to optimize settings.
2018-05-15 14:16 <Ubit> well actually no.. master also has same throutling
2018-05-15 14:17 <tx0h> btw, the Avatars table entries of wearables get deleted after login, like before.
2018-05-15 14:17 <Ubit> did you gen the map ?
2018-05-15 14:17 <tx0h> nope
2018-05-15 14:17 <Ubit> ok
2018-05-15 14:17 <tx0h> i mean: yes, but no warp map
2018-05-15 14:17 <Ubit> try again now
2018-05-15 14:17 <Ubit> clear viewer cache and try again
2018-05-15 14:18 <tx0h> without recompile?
2018-05-15 14:18 <Ubit> as is
2018-05-15 14:18 <tx0h> i try with firefox
2018-05-15 14:18 <tx0h> or singularity again?
2018-05-15 14:18 <Ubit> firefox is not a viewer :p
2018-05-15 14:18 <Ubit> singu its ok
2018-05-15 14:18 <tx0h> firestorm, even
2018-05-15 14:18 <tx0h> ok
2018-05-15 14:18 <tx0h> i try
2018-05-15 14:18 <Ubit> you have been there.. seem all..  right ?
2018-05-15 14:20 <tx0h> 16:20 now
2018-05-15 14:20 <tx0h> standard prims are there already
2018-05-15 14:21 <Ubit> you have been there before and seem all..  right ?
2018-05-15 14:21 <tx0h> yes
2018-05-15 14:21 <Ubit> ok
2018-05-15 14:21 <tx0h> but now the cache is cleared
2018-05-15 14:21 <Ubit> viewer cache
2018-05-15 14:21 <tx0h> yes
2018-05-15 14:21 <tx0h> client cache
2018-05-15 14:21 <Ubit> ok..
2018-05-15 14:22 <Ubit> see textures showing up ?
2018-05-15 14:22 <tx0h> floatsam cache also, harhar
2018-05-15 14:22 <Ubit> I SAID VIEWER CACHE NOT FLOATSAM grrrr
2018-05-15 14:22 <tx0h> textures are not loaded yet
2018-05-15 14:23 <tx0h> even not ground texture
2018-05-15 14:23 <Ubit> you DO NOT WANT to clear float same cache unless something goes worng
2018-05-15 14:23 <Ubit> ir region cache ie bin/assetcache
2018-05-15 14:23 <tx0h> it was a joke
2018-05-15 14:23 <Ubit> that is critical
2018-05-15 14:24 <tx0h> no textures yet, even no land texture
2018-05-15 14:24 <tx0h> inventory still loading
2018-05-15 14:24 <Ubit> bc when you start a fresh region, first time someone logs ( or warp map runs using textures) the region mush get ALL from the grid db
2018-05-15 14:25 <tx0h> neighbour region ground texture get visible
2018-05-15 14:25 <Ubit> filling bin/assetcache
2018-05-15 14:25 <Ubit> that can take time..
2018-05-15 14:25 <BillBlight> I have had issues with singu not showing mesh or textures, recently
2018-05-15 14:26 <tx0h> only colors of prims are visible
2018-05-15 14:26 <tx0h> singularity let me upload big amounts of mesh in 1:1 size
2018-05-15 14:26 <tx0h> it's best for uploading meshes
2018-05-15 14:26 <tx0h> also for media on prim and other stuff
2018-05-15 14:27 <Ubit> ( im assuming you do have the http port etc set right, and have ssl disabled as you should for now )
2018-05-15 14:27 <tx0h> still, all grey
2018-05-15 14:27 <tx0h> avg. load in statistic bar is about 100kbps
2018-05-15 14:27 <Ubit> thats singu 1.8.6.. newer ones mb broken
2018-05-15 14:28 <tx0h> in the client i set 3.5mbit for object and 3.5mbit for texture
2018-05-15 14:28 <BillBlight> we have found that firestrom 5.0.7 works just fine, for "questionable" meshes, singu does work better, but Firestrom seems to have no issues if you clean up the meshes before uploading ..
2018-05-15 14:28 <tx0h> thats alpha
2018-05-15 14:28 <Ubit> mili bit is  a odd setting :p
2018-05-15 14:29 <Ubit> you did not enabled ssl, did you ?
2018-05-15 14:29 <tx0h> udp packets in/out is avg less then 20/s
2018-05-15 14:29 <tx0h> not yet
2018-05-15 14:30 <Ubit> don't.. its only experimental..
2018-05-15 14:30 <Ubit> forget it is there :p
2018-05-15 14:30 <tx0h> but i connected with ethernet and not wireless.. maybe i should go wireless again
2018-05-15 14:30 <Ubit> ( but one of the errors you said was a SSL error.. )
2018-05-15 14:30 <BillBlight> Try firestorm, just for comparison, I would almost bet real money you have better luck with it .. 5.0.7
2018-05-15 14:30 <tx0h> no
2018-05-15 14:31 <tx0h> ground texture is loaded, finaly
2018-05-15 14:31 <Ubit> you see all the non mesh prims etc,  grey ?
2018-05-15 14:31 <tx0h> 2/3 of roof and 2/3 of base of the building is loaded
2018-05-15 14:31 <Ubit> grey or not.. i mean the prims...
2018-05-15 14:32 <tx0h> yes, normal prims where there from beginning. grey or in their color. but without texture.
2018-05-15 14:32 <Ubit> once you have them udp stats is irrelevante...
2018-05-15 14:32 <Ubit> should drop a lot
2018-05-15 14:32 <Ubit> since textures and meshes are http
2018-05-15 14:33 <Ubit> well some mb udp.. if viewer so decides
2018-05-15 14:33 <Ubit> singu does have http stats console
2018-05-15 14:34 <tx0h> http textures 0/kbps
2018-05-15 14:34 <tx0h> yes
2018-05-15 14:34 <tx0h> but it's not working well
2018-05-15 14:35 <Ubit> have it open?
2018-05-15 14:35 <tx0h> i have also some of the rooms loaded now. thats faster then before
2018-05-15 14:36 <Ubit> well keep in mind, every time bin/assets is empty, things are a lot slower
2018-05-15 14:36 <Ubit> assetcache i mean
2018-05-15 14:36 <Ubit> but that is mainly sharable with the master one..
2018-05-15 14:37 <tx0h> http console says in tot/max bandwidth: 0/3000
2018-05-15 14:37 <Ubit> open textures console
2018-05-15 14:37 <tx0h> now, very short 69/3000
2018-05-15 14:38 <Ubit> see if it says htp oe udp
2018-05-15 14:38 <tx0h> what is the value you need from the texture console?
2018-05-15 14:39 <Ubit> value needed ??
2018-05-15 14:40 <Ubit> ( well guess you should never try warp3d on that. guess it will take days :p )
2018-05-15 14:41 <Ubit> how many prims on the region ?
2018-05-15 14:41 <tx0h> yes, you like to know some values from the texture console?
2018-05-15 14:41 <Ubit> i did not ask for values... asked you to check if viewer is using http or udp
2018-05-15 14:41 <tx0h> no, was good before. i mean... it took a while. but i switched it off because it took a while.
2018-05-15 14:42 <Ubit> well im making it a lot slower on a intel i7 :p
2018-05-15 14:42 <Ubit> guess a lot slower on a arm :)
2018-05-15 14:42 <tx0h> hehe
2018-05-15 14:42 <Ubit> hmm hope endness will not bit me
2018-05-15 14:43 <Ubit> that arm is little or big endian on that linux ?
2018-05-15 14:43 <tx0h> i thinks it's a bit faster now but we are not ready yet
2018-05-15 14:43 <Ubit> check if bin/assetcache is growing
2018-05-15 14:45 <tx0h> it's by default little endian
2018-05-15 14:45 <tx0h> but it can be switched
2018-05-15 14:45 <Ubit> wanna see the current broken state of warp map bill ?
2018-05-15 14:45 <Ubit> ok thats good, same as intel
2018-05-15 14:46 <BillBlight> HAHA , ummm not really, but sure why not
2018-05-15 14:46 <Ubit> not really? why not ?
2018-05-15 14:46 <tx0h> why should it grow? i mean, i didn't deleted it
2018-05-15 14:46 <Ubit> lol
2018-05-15 14:46 <Ubit> bc you may had not have it fully filled 
2018-05-15 14:47 <Ubit> and will not still, since it will only have things in view range
2018-05-15 14:48 <Ubit> btw httptests inventory should be a bit faster than master
2018-05-15 14:48 <tx0h> it stays at the same size
2018-05-15 14:49 <tx0h> inventory also took a while, but thats not my main thing, i can't compare it. maybe it's a bit faster.
2018-05-15 14:50 <Ubit> well faster but still slow , also bc the way viewers ask fo rit
2018-05-15 14:50 <Ubit> it
2018-05-15 14:50 <tx0h> now, the last 1/3 of objects take ages
2018-05-15 14:51 <Ubit> how many prims there ??
2018-05-15 14:52 <tx0h> the outer ring seems complete
2018-05-15 14:52 <tx0h> hmmm... i need to count
2018-05-15 14:54 <Ubit> that count dows show up in several places :p
2018-05-15 14:54 <tx0h> hmm estimated, 650
2018-05-15 14:54 <BillBlight> what does "show stats" from the console show?  why guess
2018-05-15 14:55 <Ubit> do you have alchemy viewer ?
2018-05-15 14:56 <tx0h> yes
2018-05-15 14:56 <Ubit> next try with it
2018-05-15 14:56 <tx0h> but alchemy isn't very opensim friendly
2018-05-15 14:56 <Ubit> lchemy 5.0.7 (41341) (x64) Nov  9 2017 14:53:24 (Alchemy Release) (B)
2018-05-15 14:57 <tx0h> still loading meshes
2018-05-15 14:58 <BillBlight> where did you hear that??  Alchemy works fine for Opensim ...  
2018-05-15 14:58 <tx0h> master is better in this task.
2018-05-15 14:58 <Ubit> on alch, open debug settings
2018-05-15 14:58 <Ubit> set httpipeline to true  ( only for httptests and SL, false for other opensim versions)
2018-05-15 14:59 <Ubit> well no big dif actually, just it does work :p
2018-05-15 15:00 <tx0h> still needs to load several boxes
2018-05-15 15:00 <Ubit> AHh and high bandwith settings may actually be slower
2018-05-15 15:00 <tx0h> i think they are moderate
2018-05-15 15:00 <Ubit> viewers do slow down with 2 much data
2018-05-15 15:01 <Ubit> fs recomends 700Kbps :p
2018-05-15 15:01 <Ubit> for sl lol
2018-05-15 15:01 <Ubit> but on opensim that also controls http rate
2018-05-15 15:02 <Ubit> so.. 1.5H mb a nicer option
2018-05-15 15:02 <Ubit> 1.5k
2018-05-15 15:02 <tx0h> about 55 mesh boxes need to get loaded
2018-05-15 15:02 <tx0h> and some plants
2018-05-15 15:03 <Ubit> i have 3000kbps on my alc now
2018-05-15 15:03 <Ubit> it made the viewer FPS go down to 3 during prims load ( udp )
2018-05-15 15:04 <Ubit> that is a impact of bandwith setting ppl do forget
2018-05-15 15:04 <tx0h> believe it or not, with this viewer setting and master (and 'old mono') it finish the loading in a fraction of time. don't know if it is mono now, or httptests
2018-05-15 15:04 <tx0h> thats a pitty
2018-05-15 15:05 <Ubit> well httptests is as fast as master
2018-05-15 15:05 <Ubit> if not faster
2018-05-15 15:06 <tx0h> then it's mono
2018-05-15 15:06 <BillBlight> I can attest that I do not see these issues, 
2018-05-15 15:06 <Ubit> can't tell
2018-05-15 15:06 <BillBlight> It could also be that the .NET 4.6 code is not playing well with the ARM
2018-05-15 15:07 <tx0h> normaly, when i zoom on a mesh, it would load it instantly
2018-05-15 15:07 <tx0h> not with httptests
2018-05-15 15:07 <Ubit> someone needs to offer me a arm box :p
2018-05-15 15:07 <Ubit> that is after beeing on viewer cache
2018-05-15 15:07 <Ubit> also on master or sl
2018-05-15 15:07 <BillBlight> well tx0h , you can't really say that it is httptests that is the issue, or I and others would be seeing the problem .
2018-05-15 15:08 <tx0h> it's the settings from the mono-devs. i got their debian source package and took their settings
2018-05-15 15:08 <Ubit> ( and that means that LOD )
2018-05-15 15:08 <tx0h> oh, my lod is off. i hate that.
2018-05-15 15:08 <Ubit> nonsense
2018-05-15 15:08 <Ubit> lod is fundamental
2018-05-15 15:08 <tx0h> sure, i do.
2018-05-15 15:10 <tx0h> i know the concept of lod
2018-05-15 15:10 <tx0h> don't need a leason.
2018-05-15 15:10 <Ubit> put that LOD back to the viewer defaults
2018-05-15 15:10 <tx0h> i switched it of, because i hate it.
2018-05-15 15:10 <Ubit> no.. you hate meshes that have it wrong
2018-05-15 15:11 <tx0h> making meshed lod proof is tripple work
2018-05-15 15:11 <Ubit> it is fundamental
2018-05-15 15:11 <tx0h> fundamental is, switch it off.
2018-05-15 15:11 <Ubit> unless you only have a few meshes in view
2018-05-15 15:12 <tx0h> i have a fast graphics card with lot of mem
2018-05-15 15:12 <Ubit> otherwise, don't even complain about rez time. bc viwers also use LOD to olne get what is needed from a mesh
2018-05-15 15:13 <tx0h> it's ok to leave it off. but you are right. loading might be faster if they don't need to get loaded
2018-05-15 15:13 <Ubit> if you do undersand LOD you should understand it needs to be on
2018-05-15 15:13 <Ubit> unless very small content regions
2018-05-15 15:14 <Ubit> actually new sl viewer and fs does  limit the ranges users can set
2018-05-15 15:15 <tx0h> the architecture is loaded now, some trees and plants still need to load
2018-05-15 15:17 <tx0h> ok, some details still need to get loaded
2018-05-15 15:17 <Ubit> well i never tested a arm.. so can't tell
2018-05-15 15:17 <tx0h> like a 3d printer
2018-05-15 15:17 <Ubit> just obviusly httptests should be as or better than master
2018-05-15 15:18 <Ubit> so it is for us
2018-05-15 15:18 <tx0h> took an hour
2018-05-15 15:19 <Ubit> just for test, put back all normal LOD viewer settings and repeat
2018-05-15 15:19 <tx0h> then maybe mono 5.10.1.47 isn't as good as 4.6.2
2018-05-15 15:19 <tx0h> lol, ok.
2018-05-15 15:19 <tx0h> same client?
2018-05-15 15:19 <Ubit> of not, not a valid test :p
2018-05-15 15:20 <Ubit> and mono 4.x was a mess...
2018-05-15 15:20 <Ubit> 5 should be better
2018-05-15 15:20 <BillBlight> Again, that is not a vaild assumption about mono tx0h, maybe not as good for YOU, but if it was that bad Me, Ubit, and others would also see the issue ..
2018-05-15 15:20 <Ubit> assuming you did found all settings needed to compile it on arm
2018-05-15 15:21 <Ubit> or ./confif did it for you
2018-05-15 15:21 <tx0h> i set it to max now
2018-05-15 15:21 <tx0h> clear cache and do the same
2018-05-15 15:21 <Ubit> i said DEFAUL
2018-05-15 15:21 <Ubit> damm you :p
2018-05-15 15:21 <tx0h> isn't max the default lod?
2018-05-15 15:21 <Ubit> NO
2018-05-15 15:22 <tx0h> no?
2018-05-15 15:22 <Ubit> no
2018-05-15 15:22 <tx0h> whats the default lod? i normaly switch it off
2018-05-15 15:22 <Ubit> it has even settings for diferent things
2018-05-15 15:22 <Ubit> somewhere on graphics
2018-05-15 15:23 <tx0h> and view distance? i have normaly 1024
2018-05-15 15:23 <Ubit> wel keep that the same or test can't be compared
2018-05-15 15:23 <tx0h> alchemy limit it to 512 :-(
2018-05-15 15:24 <Ubit> there are good reasons for that
2018-05-15 15:24 <tx0h> ok, i have lod facor 2
2018-05-15 15:24 <tx0h> factor
2018-05-15 15:24 <tx0h> i guess, thats ok
2018-05-15 15:24 <Ubit> 2 2.5 think is the default
2018-05-15 15:25 <Ubit> ppl forget viewers are not generic view things
2018-05-15 15:25 <tx0h> prims and colors of prims already there
2018-05-15 15:25 <Ubit> they are make for a model...
2018-05-15 15:25 <Plugh> djphil: I don't know what else you could mute other than prims or avatars.
2018-05-15 15:25 <BillBlight> just curious, are you running out of a clean directory, or did you copy the bin over the top of the old one, I know silly question but I had to ask
2018-05-15 15:25 <Ubit> and there are things that do get nasty with large view ranges
2018-05-15 15:26 <Ubit> ( the terrain z <0 discussion is abotu this also )
2018-05-15 15:26 <tx0h> it's a clean dir with the old ini's and assetcache
2018-05-15 15:27 <BillBlight> You really should use the new INI's
2018-05-15 15:27 <Ubit> viewers are not generic..  they assume ranges for avatar positions, land, view etc etc )
2018-05-15 15:27 <Ubit> yeappp
2018-05-15 15:27 <BillBlight> (don't think it has a bearing on this issue, but you really should)
2018-05-15 15:27 <Ubit> INIs must be the httptests ones
2018-05-15 15:27 <tx0h> BillBlight: i needed to change the ossl ini
2018-05-15 15:27 <Ubit> it is a pain yes
2018-05-15 15:27 <BillBlight> there are more than just that change
2018-05-15 15:28 <Ubit> but new opensim version always means that pain...
2018-05-15 15:28 <BillBlight> if the guy that made the changes says , "USE THE NEW INIs"  most likely a good idea ..
2018-05-15 15:28 <Ubit> use the new INIs edited again
2018-05-15 15:28 <Ubit> nothing new..
2018-05-15 15:28 <tx0h> i made a diff and couldn't see huge differences
2018-05-15 15:29 <Ubit> keeping old inis only works on same upgrades..
2018-05-15 15:29 <Ubit> yes but there may be a few...
2018-05-15 15:29 <Ubit> but thats a opensim rule..
2018-05-15 15:29 <Ubit> always use the version INI files
2018-05-15 15:30 <Ubit> next thing also to consider is scripts cache... most times it needs to be deleted
2018-05-15 15:30 <tx0h> shall i use my unlimited camera
2018-05-15 15:31 <Ubit> the thing that is more robust now is the assets cache...
2018-05-15 15:31 <Ubit> but no garanties on that either
2018-05-15 15:31 <Ubit> what unlimited camera ??
2018-05-15 15:32 <Ubit> you are suicidal :p
2018-05-15 15:32 <tx0h> i even have a 3d connexxion cam
2018-05-15 15:33 <tx0h> scripts... somehow my scripts doubled or trippled over night. and i didn't canged anything
2018-05-15 15:34 <Ubit> GPU load, network etc  increase with a lot more that the square of the increase of view distance
2018-05-15 15:34 <Ubit> cpu.. mem use .. all
2018-05-15 15:35 <Ubit> and this viewers do have auxiliar objects that may became visible
2018-05-15 15:35 <tx0h> well, we could stick in plain irc... no need to worry about netload and grafix
2018-05-15 15:35 <Ubit> and projection code, starts to break showing distortions
2018-05-15 15:36 <Ubit> just use fs and zoom out a lot
2018-05-15 15:36 <Ubit> you will see what i mean
2018-05-15 15:36 <tx0h> but this script multiplication was with master
2018-05-15 15:37 <Ubit> fs does seem worse than what i remembered in past
2018-05-15 15:38 <Ubit> looking down from a sky box is well ugly
2018-05-15 15:38 <tx0h> well, the best perfomance is in front of a big wood cube staring it's surface. we know
2018-05-15 15:38 <Ubit> not really :p
2018-05-15 15:38 <Ubit> that is a full resolution texture :p
2018-05-15 15:39 <tx0h> ok, plain white cube. full bright.
2018-05-15 15:39 <Ubit> full bright triggers a extra shader
2018-05-15 15:39 <Ubit> :p
2018-05-15 15:39 <tx0h> i thought this one must be cheaper
2018-05-15 15:40 <Ubit> and white cube does use a texture
2018-05-15 15:40 <Ubit> but its a 32x32 one here
2018-05-15 15:41 <Ubit> transparency is another heavy shader
2018-05-15 15:41 <Ubit> :)
2018-05-15 15:41 <Ubit> and still a damm buggy one grrr
2018-05-15 15:42 <tx0h> i hate when light shines thru mesh edges
2018-05-15 15:42 <tx0h> or even prim edges
2018-05-15 15:42 <Ubit> well i hate 2 transparent prims
2018-05-15 15:42 <tx0h> thats a shadow issue
2018-05-15 15:43 <Ubit> testing warpmap i had 1 boxes 50% transp
2018-05-15 15:43 <Ubit> one rotated on all axis 30º  other 0 angles and a bit inside the first
2018-05-15 15:44 <Ubit> fs does a mess
2018-05-15 15:44 <Ubit> as we look arond
2018-05-15 15:44 <Ubit> the old transparency bug
2018-05-15 15:44 <Ubit> or problem
2018-05-15 15:44 <Ubit> i meant 2 boxes of course :)
2018-05-15 15:45 <Ubit> hmm warp3d cheats on transparency
2018-05-15 15:46 <Ubit> and does not do it well also in some cases
2018-05-15 15:46 <Ubit> this 2 boxes example, one works as no transparent to the other
2018-05-15 15:47 <Ubit> ie it does not blend 2 transparent objects
2018-05-15 15:47 <tx0h> some prims don't have color or texure (standard prims)
2018-05-15 15:47 <Ubit> blends each relative to a non transp background
2018-05-15 15:47 <Ubit> all have color and texture 
2018-05-15 15:48 <Ubit> default color is solid white
2018-05-15 15:48 <Ubit> default tex is wood
2018-05-15 15:50 <tx0h> yepp, but i think, with lod on, and don't zoom out, i will never know if all got loaded :-)
2018-05-15 15:50 <Ubit> fs did add a nice tool
2018-05-15 15:50 <Ubit> for meshs
2018-05-15 15:50 <Ubit> you can see each lod
2018-05-15 15:51 <Ubit> witout moving around, just on edit
2018-05-15 15:51 <Ubit> and you can also see physics, per prim
2018-05-15 15:51 <BillBlight> meeting is in two hours or one, I can never remember?
2018-05-15 15:52 <Ubit> 1 i think
2018-05-15 15:52 <Ubit> but plugh will tell :)
2018-05-15 15:53 <Ubit> oops i only see the physics visibity option 
2018-05-15 15:54 <Ubit> where did i got the lod display idea ?
2018-05-15 15:54 <BillBlight> I thought it was there too
2018-05-15 15:55 <Ubit> well i don't find it now
2018-05-15 15:55 <BillBlight> do you have a mesh slected?
2018-05-15 15:55 <Ubit> yeap..  hmm but linked
2018-05-15 15:55 <Ubit> hmm
2018-05-15 15:56 <Ubit> ahh its on object
2018-05-15 15:56 <Ubit> well the info
2018-05-15 15:56 <Ubit> and selection also
2018-05-15 15:56 <BillBlight> is a regular prim the root
2018-05-15 15:57 <Ubit> also works on edit linked
2018-05-15 15:57 <BillBlight> it is under object, and is still based off the root prim, so you have to edit linked if you want to see parts
2018-05-15 15:57 <Ubit> i was just looking to the wrong plave
2018-05-15 16:11 <tx0h> everywhere i fly, unloaded meshes. i guess, this lod is for people who love great plane
2018-05-15 16:14 <Plugh> Bill, 11am grid time. Just under two hours from now.
2018-05-15 16:15 <Ubit> oops i meant 2 hours bill
2018-05-15 16:22 <tx0h> ok, with lod factor 2 it's a matter of fact that this one isn't loaded after one hour
2018-05-15 16:23 <tx0h> and i'm pretty sure it will take another hour
2018-05-15 16:23 <Ubit> something very odd there
2018-05-15 16:25 <tx0h> nope, it's lod.
2018-05-15 16:25 <Ubit> it is faster with lod 2 ?
2018-05-15 16:26 <tx0h> no
2018-05-15 16:26 <tx0h> i mean, fps yes
2018-05-15 16:26 <tx0h> but loading, no
2018-05-15 16:26 <Ubit> then something is wrong on loading
2018-05-15 16:27 <tx0h> i fly around and meshes don't get loaded. i need to wait for each mesh
2018-05-15 16:28 <tx0h> and for machinima/making movies you need to switch it off anyway
2018-05-15 16:29 <tx0h> it's a good concept. yes. but it's a lot of work to build 'lod safe' and even then you can't get it really smooth.
2018-05-15 16:30 <Ubit> yes but for good movies you also need good fps
2018-05-15 16:30 <tx0h> now i stay in front of giant trees for 5 minutes and i don't see anything
2018-05-15 16:31 <tx0h> with the flightcam i have a very smooth way to move a cam everywhere
2018-05-15 16:31 <Ubit> well i don't know.. for me and others on intel httptests is fine
2018-05-15 16:31 <Ubit> and should also be for you
2018-05-15 16:32 <tx0h> yes. maybe it's mono.
2018-05-15 16:32 <tx0h> i would be happy to tell you a better storry.
2018-05-15 16:32 <Ubit> you could compile master with xbuild on mono5
2018-05-15 16:32 <Ubit> just i don't remember how lol
2018-05-15 16:33 <tx0h> i changed to many factors right now that i can't tell whats the problem
2018-05-15 16:33 <Ubit> one thing is that you need to tell xbuild to use .net4.5
2018-05-15 16:33 <tx0h> yes, i builded master with nant and mono5  before
2018-05-15 16:33 <Ubit> one a basic rule of testing, is change ONLY ONE factor at a time :p
2018-05-15 16:34 <BillBlight> or use msbuild, which will build 4.6
2018-05-15 16:34 <tx0h> well, with master it was ok. but i didn't cleared the viewer cache
2018-05-15 16:34 <Ubit> msbuild fails with master prebuild
2018-05-15 16:34 <tx0h> then i need to compile msbuild first
2018-05-15 16:35 <Ubit> you will need msbuild on mono5 on day
2018-05-15 16:35 <BillBlight> master and httptests are so far apart they are almost not the same code base .. master is set for a much older version of .NET
2018-05-15 16:35 <Ubit> it is its official compiler now
2018-05-15 16:35 <tx0h> by the way: i lost my edited prebuild.xml, i added System.xxx somewhere because i use cs scripts inworld
2018-05-15 16:35 <Ubit> ???
2018-05-15 16:35 <Ubit> you lost what ?
2018-05-15 16:36 <Ubit> yyou should use the version prebuild.xml
2018-05-15 16:36 <tx0h> some of my adds to prebuild.xml because i didn't pushed it to my git and stashed it
2018-05-15 16:36 <Ubit> and the version prebuild.exe ( on bin/ )
2018-05-15 16:37 <BillBlight> The prebuild for httptests, is not even close to the same as master , if you do edit it , pay attention to the differences
2018-05-15 16:38 <tx0h> if i would do what i should i wouldn't be called a hacker and would use word instead of vrapper or vi
2018-05-15 16:39 <tx0h> and i use vi since 40 years.
2018-05-15 16:40 <tx0h> thats why i can switch lod off with no bad feelings.
2018-05-15 16:40 <tx0h> one of the giant trees in front of me loaded!
2018-05-15 16:40 <tx0h> but where are the other two
2018-05-15 16:41 <BillBlight> vi forever
2018-05-15 16:42 <tx0h> for bigger projects i use vrapper, it's vi in eclipse
2018-05-15 16:43 <tx0h> ok, msbuild is a mono project project?
2018-05-15 16:43 <Ubit> ms now owns mono
2018-05-15 16:43 <tx0h> yes, it is
2018-05-15 16:43 <tx0h> found it in the repos
2018-05-15 16:44 <Ubit> mono is MS product now (xamarian )
2018-05-15 16:44 <tx0h> version 15.6 ?
2018-05-15 16:44 <Ubit> all that fast versions changes is ms turning mono .net compatible
2018-05-15 16:44 <Ubit> full...
2018-05-15 16:44 <tx0h> urks
2018-05-15 16:44 <tx0h> i have m$ installed???
2018-05-15 16:45 <tx0h> how ugly is that.
2018-05-15 16:45 <Ubit> you didn't know that mono is ms now?
2018-05-15 16:45 <BillBlight> haha
2018-05-15 16:46 <tx0h> mono / c# was a wrong decision from the begin on, if you ask me
2018-05-15 16:46 <Ubit> don't go there again..
2018-05-15 16:46 <Ubit> we all did :p
2018-05-15 16:47 <Ubit> at least its a bit easier to read than c++
2018-05-15 16:48 <Ubit> and vs ide and debugger are nicer
2018-05-15 16:52 <tx0h> ** Downloading MSBUILD from https://github.com/Microsoft/msbuild/releases/download/mono-hosted-msbuild-v0.03/mono_msbuild_d25dd923839404bd64cc63f420e75acf96fc75c4.zip
2018-05-15 16:52 <tx0h> urks...
2018-05-15 16:54 <tx0h> msbuild will not work that easy
2018-05-15 16:54 <tx0h> they try to give me a binary..
2018-05-15 16:55 <BillBlight> https://github.com/Microsoft/msbuild/archive/v15.4.8.50001.tar.gz
2018-05-15 16:55 <BillBlight> that is the sourcecode
2018-05-15 16:56 <Tampa> Why do you feel the need to compile everything?
2018-05-15 16:57 <tx0h> because there is no binary for my platform
2018-05-15 16:57 <BillBlight> He is on an ARM platform Tampa
2018-05-15 16:57 <tx0h> but you can become a debian maintainer for arm7
2018-05-15 16:57 <tx0h> then i would take apt-get
2018-05-15 16:59 <tx0h> but i guess, the debian people maybe never go with m$ mono
2018-05-15 16:59 <tx0h> but.. if the license is ok, why not.
2018-05-15 16:59 <Ubit> well xamarian does have arm suport
2018-05-15 16:59 <Ubit> but for android
2018-05-15 17:00 <Tampa> I compile Opensim on arm, on an odroid running ubuntu port, there is binary for xbuild available there and it compiles properly
2018-05-15 17:00 <BillBlight> but xbuild is going away, and does not actually support .NET 4.6 4.5 is the max I believe for xbuild
2018-05-15 17:01 <BillBlight> And as we are talking about the httptests branch, .net 4.6 is kind of a requirement
2018-05-15 17:02 <Tampa> beyond that though, I never had trouble running binary compiled on x86 on arm
2018-05-15 17:03 <tx0h> oh, i misread. there is no debian build package, only ubuntu. ugly.
2018-05-15 17:03 <Tampa> not surprising
2018-05-15 17:03 <tx0h> i have xbuild too, but i would like to have this m$build
2018-05-15 17:04 <BillBlight> you are not going to get actuall .NET 4.6 compilation without msbuild
2018-05-15 17:05 <tx0h> yes, i need to compile without deb helpers
2018-05-15 17:07 <Tampa> Frankly I think arm is not capable enough to really run opensim in a capacity that would be close to production grade. It runs, sure, but depending on the load you throw at it it can blow really quickly, but that's beside the point. Like I said, I pull binaries from my x86 and run them on arm just fine so beyond some edge-case compiling on hardware probably won't make a big difference.
2018-05-15 17:07 <tx0h> we had this discussion before. and i said, i'm ok with it.
2018-05-15 17:08 <Ubit> arm does run small opensim regions
2018-05-15 17:08 <Ubit> tx does run.. so does neb
2018-05-15 17:08 <Tampa> Be interesting to see if msbuild will work on arm, I have some doubts
2018-05-15 17:08 <Ubit> specially now that ubOde is aroun
2018-05-15 17:08 <BillBlight> I'm wondering if some of the memory leak people are seeing with httptests is the fact they are compiling with xbuild, and not getting .NET 4.6 only .NET 4.5, just a thought ..
2018-05-15 17:08 <Ubit> and ode.dll can be compiled on the arm
2018-05-15 17:10 <Tampa> I'm more gravitating towards something with the mono flags not being right in 5.10
2018-05-15 17:11 <Ubit> it does work tampa, and i have been on a arm region yesterday (?) via hg :)
2018-05-15 17:11 <Ubit> was it yesterday tx ?
2018-05-15 17:11 <Tampa> Waiting for whatever comes next from ms, maybe just a bad version like 4.8.2 was
2018-05-15 17:12 <Ubit> well mono5 seems a lot better
2018-05-15 17:13 <Ubit> and should also for arm
2018-05-15 17:13 <tx0h> was it yday? no. saturday
2018-05-15 17:13 <tx0h> esc day
2018-05-15 17:13 <Ubit> bc androids where a reason why ms did got mono/xamarian
2018-05-15 17:13 <Ubit> androids and ios
2018-05-15 17:13 <tx0h> urks
2018-05-15 17:14 <Ubit> since their products for mobile where not that big sucess 
2018-05-15 17:14 <Tampa> windows phone lol
2018-05-15 17:15 <Ubit> so they just jumped over
2018-05-15 17:15 <Ubit> and got xamarian
2018-05-15 17:15 <Tampa> if you cant beat em join em
2018-05-15 17:15 <tx0h> ok, msbuild installs some binaries (cli) to get the build done but these binaries are not arm
2018-05-15 17:15 <Ubit> and now vs2017 is a cross platform tools
2018-05-15 17:16 <Ubit> i did made the typical hello world for android on it.. easy
2018-05-15 17:17 <Tampa> app development made even easier... not sure that's a good thing
2018-05-15 17:17 <Ubit> so.. well not bad for now
2018-05-15 17:17 <tx0h> Tools/dotnetcli/dotnet: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.32, BuildID[sha1]=db256f0ac90cd718d8ec2d157b29437ea8bcb37f, not stripped
2018-05-15 17:17 <Ubit> my fear was linux suport
2018-05-15 17:17 <Ubit> but ms seems to want it also
2018-05-15 17:18 <Ubit> and running x86 "compiled" .net .exe and dll, bahh you are running those on liux for ages
2018-05-15 17:18 <tx0h> this is the beginning of the end of opensim, really
2018-05-15 17:19 <Ubit> most the bin folder you get from git is filled with those
2018-05-15 17:19 <Ubit> hmm ?
2018-05-15 17:19 <Ubit> why is this mono thing the end of opensim ?
2018-05-15 17:19 <tx0h> i need to check if i can get the sources of dotnetcli now?
2018-05-15 17:20 <BillBlight> Opensim has run on mono forever, why is it suddenly the end?  Just because it does not run well on your ARM7 ?
2018-05-15 17:20 <tx0h> you need to get msbuild to compile newer frameworks and you can't get msbuild without using m$ binaries
2018-05-15 17:21 <tx0h> https://github.com/dotnet/cli
2018-05-15 17:21 <tx0h> lets see if this is it
2018-05-15 17:22 <BillBlight> they are included in the mono-complete package for everyone else, just not ARM7 or other non-standard server platforms
2018-05-15 17:23 <Ubit> https://github.com/Microsoft/msbuild
2018-05-15 17:23 <tx0h> yes, thats what i use. but they download a binary for another architecture.
2018-05-15 17:24 <Ubit> well don't know
2018-05-15 17:25 <tx0h> me neither.
2018-05-15 17:25 <Ubit> well xbuild did compile for you
2018-05-15 17:26 <tx0h> need to investigate it. the dotnet/cli project is newer than what they need in the msbuild build process
2018-05-15 17:26 <tx0h> yes
2018-05-15 17:26 <BillBlight> check the api version that xbuild used, seems on newer mono's it does compile using the 4.6 api, could have just been a bug in one of the previous versions that I saw
2018-05-15 17:26 <tx0h> but it can't do 4.6 or higher
2018-05-15 17:26 <BillBlight> it can, could have been a bug
2018-05-15 17:27 <BillBlight> just checked but I'm on 5.12
2018-05-15 17:27 <tx0h> ok, i check a newer xbuild
2018-05-15 17:27 <BillBlight> reference:/usr/lib/mono/4.6-api/System.Core.dll if it is using 
2018-05-15 17:27 <BillBlight> then you are getting 5.6
2018-05-15 17:27 <BillBlight> oops
2018-05-15 17:28 <BillBlight> 4.6
2018-05-15 17:28 <tx0h> 
ACTION nods

2018-05-15 17:28 <BillBlight> I know at least one version of 5x was not doing that, with xbuild, and I made an incorrect assumption that it was xbuild, but could have been just a bug in mono 5x
2018-05-15 17:29 <Ubit> http://www.mono-project.com/docs/compiling-mono/parallel-mono-environments/
2018-05-15 17:29 <Ubit> did you checked that ?
2018-05-15 17:29 <tx0h> the xbuild i use, is from the mono package i compiled
2018-05-15 17:30 <Ubit> then it should be ok
2018-05-15 17:30 <tx0h> but it says Mono Mono.XBuild.Tasks library (for CLI 4.0)
2018-05-15 17:30 <tx0h> whatever that means.
2018-05-15 17:31 <tx0h> ii mono-xbuild 5.10.1.47-0xamarin4+debian9b1 all MSBuild-compatible build system for Mono
2018-05-15 17:33 <Ubit> check the url above
2018-05-15 17:33 <tx0h> anyway, xbuild works.
2018-05-15 17:33 <Ubit> about the class libraries
2018-05-15 17:34 <Ubit> hmm it does tell that they are done with the mono itself
2018-05-15 17:35 <Plugh> Ubit, I may be late to the meeting. I need to make a run to the stores and I'm not sure if I'll be back in time.
2018-05-15 17:36 <Ubit> its in 25min right ?
2018-05-15 17:36 <tx0h> oh sh*t, i need to run to a meeting
2018-05-15 17:36 <tx0h> bye
2018-05-15 17:37 <Plugh> yes. Top of the hour.
2018-05-15 17:37 <Plugh> bbl.
2018-05-15 17:58 <BillBlight> Meeting time
2018-05-15 18:27 <jsync> Hello. I found a secondlife community thread about a feature being implemented into SL. I'm curious if there will be an OpenSim development of the feature.
2018-05-15 18:27 <jsync> https://community.secondlife.com/blogs/entry/152-this-project-viewer-lets-landowners-control-environment-settings/
2018-05-15 18:28 <jsync> I found the feature description after looking for a way to set a 24 hour day cycle.
2018-05-15 18:28 <jsync> (I want a 24 hour day cycle.) :/
2018-05-15 18:28 <BillBlight> that article is for windlight, and windlight is working in opensimulator for region owners
2018-05-15 18:29 <BillBlight> there is a way in the INI to change how long the day is
2018-05-15 18:29 <jsync> If you read the article, it's a new feature that is an extension of windlight development. It's not automatically functional with windlight, not actually.
2018-05-15 18:29 <jsync> Within the OpenSim.ini?
2018-05-15 18:30 <BillBlight> that article is from 2011
2018-05-15 18:30 <jsync> (I didn't notice that.)
2018-05-15 18:30 <BillBlight> [Sun]
2018-05-15 18:30 <BillBlight>     ; number of wall clock hours for an opensim day.  24.0 would mean realtime
2018-05-15 18:30 <BillBlight>     ;day_length = 4
2018-05-15 18:30 <BillBlight>     ; Year length in days
2018-05-15 18:30 <BillBlight>     ;year_length = 60
2018-05-15 18:30 <BillBlight>     ; Day to Night Ratio
2018-05-15 18:30 <BillBlight>     ;day_night_offset = 0.45
2018-05-15 18:30 <BillBlight>     ; send a Sun update every update_interval # of frames.  A lower number will
2018-05-15 18:30 <BillBlight>     ; make for smoother sun transition at the cost of network
2018-05-15 18:30 <BillBlight>     ;update_interval = 100
2018-05-15 18:31 <jsync> What .ini file is that, Bill?
2018-05-15 18:32 <BillBlight> that was just pulled from OpenSimDefaults.ini, but could be put in any of the INI files that you load, as long as it is in the right order
2018-05-15 18:33 <jsync> Thanks!! I wasn't aware of that before.
2018-05-15 18:35 <jsync> Is anybody aware of how to alter windlight functionality? I'd like more cloud layers so that I can make a stormy & overcast sky setting. 
2018-05-15 18:35 <jsync> I haven't found instructions anywhere online about how windlight was made or anything else.
2018-05-15 18:40 <BillBlight> you can make them right in the viewer
2018-05-15 18:40 <BillBlight> and then apply them to the region
2018-05-15 18:41 <BillBlight> there are also scripts to get and set the windlight
2018-05-15 18:43 <djphil> jsync : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/LightShare
2018-05-15 19:02 <jsync> What DSTZone setting would I use within the Robust.ini for setting "Central Time" zone?
2018-05-15 19:02 <BillBlight> Not really going to matter, viewers are hardcoded to PST/PDT, or most are
2018-05-15 19:04 <jsync> Ah. :(
2018-05-15 19:04 <jsync> LightShare scripting is a cool feature. Thanks djphil.
2018-05-15 19:06 <jsync> Actually, BillBlight, I'm talking about altering how windlight functions. I want extra cloud layers & lightning effects within the clouds.
2018-05-15 19:06 <djphil> Yw jsync :) Windlinght is SL, Lightshare is Opensim :)
2018-05-15 19:07 <djphil> MEta7 provide a very nice Lightshare Board script :)
2018-05-15 19:11 <djphil> jsync : Black Dragon have volumetric light ... this might interest you https://modemworld.me/2015/03/11/black-dragon-2-4-1-9-volumetric-lighting-and-more/
2018-05-15 19:16 <jsync> Volumetric Lighting is super cool!!
2018-05-15 19:18 <djphil> Yes, it is :)
2018-05-15 19:20 <jsync> I've been really busy with features & work on my own research & development Grid, though I keep thinking that I want to work on a Viewer specifically for OpenSim features. When I get to that, I will definitely make the group aware.
2018-05-15 19:21 <jsync> I have made various feature upgrades to a Firestorm based viewer that I am working on, though there's not really enough to interest the OpenSim community yet. I do plan to make something for the community though.
2018-05-15 19:23 <jsync> One of the coolest features I am working on is a simple module & plugin feature, to enable module & plugin upgrades for the viewer. I think it's the most essential upgrade for community development of features that's much needed.
2018-05-15 19:24 <jsync> A chatbot plugin, for an example, that can be enabled or disabled. A RPG plugin as well, that could be enabled or disabled.
2018-05-15 19:25 <jsync> The concept is to make a stripped down base viewer for SL & OpenSim that could be customized with plugins & modules.
2018-05-15 19:26 <djphil> Why not a 360° Panorama snapshot, or 3D water or mirror effect on prims :p
2018-05-15 19:28 <jsync> I want total weather effects & puddles of water & things like that.
2018-05-15 19:29 <jsync> I figured a blender module plugin for the viewer might achieve that in the years to come.
2018-05-15 19:29 <BillBlight> @jsync, we have had volumetric lighting for a while
2018-05-15 19:30 <djphil> not in opensim bill
2018-05-15 19:30 <BillBlight> umm
2018-05-15 19:30 <BillBlight> yeah
2018-05-15 19:30 <jsync> Though the concept of the base viewer really is the 1st step I figure. I am working on a Composits Engine for my Grid that gives a Periodic Table of Elements database table for each object in the Grid. A simple plugin that gives the edit window the ability to set that would make improvements & upgrades fully customizable between developers & Grid employment of features.
2018-05-15 19:30 <Plugh> jsync: What about simply having better shaders?
2018-05-15 19:31 <djphil> Yeap and PBR rendering :)
2018-05-15 19:31 <BillBlight> never mind me, my brain took a left turn, we have shaders and projected lights, not vlumetric
2018-05-15 19:33 <jsync> Though with a base viewer, somebody could take source files & implement Volumetric Lighting systems, then compile & create a module for the base viewer & then simply enable that feature to their own viewer.
2018-05-15 19:35 <djphil> many virtual world have 3D water now. It's also a beautiful thing :)
2018-05-15 19:37 <djphil> In my aquarium screensaver I also have volumetric light hahaha
2018-05-15 19:37 <jsync> My biggest development project is Composits & Avatar Anatomy. I think that the individual is what the individual is based upon genetics & environmental conditioning. I want to make clones act realistically. 
2018-05-15 19:39 <jsync> I'd like for OpenSim to use system side libraries to calculate & consider Composits of the Virtual World. Molecule libraries & other things that are system side.
2018-05-15 19:43 <jsync> That way I can clone me ma & pa when they depart & still have somebody whom cares about me to talk with.
2018-05-15 19:43 <jsync> :D
2018-05-15 19:44 <djphil> Let's live long enough to see this happen in Opensim :p
2018-05-15 19:48 <Ubit> im not really a modules fan :p
2018-05-15 19:49 <Ubit> and not sure fs is a good base
2018-05-15 19:50 <Ubit> or alchemy 
2018-05-15 19:50 <Ubit> i mean alchemy mb a better one
2018-05-15 19:50 <Ubit> even considering fs does have nice features alch still does not have
2018-05-15 19:50 <BillBlight> well first off you need to completely replace the rendering engine in the viewer and get it to talk to opensim, then you can start talking about adding new things
2018-05-15 19:51 <Ubit> why replace the rendering engine for opensim ?
2018-05-15 19:52 <BillBlight> because the engine in the viewers does not support many of the newer advanced lighting and rendering technologies .. hell it barely supports 10 year old tech
2018-05-15 19:53 <BillBlight> It can't utilize newer graphic and GPU accelerations, or even the memory for that matter
2018-05-15 19:54 <Ubit> it now uses more memory
2018-05-15 19:54 <Ubit> at least singu and alch
2018-05-15 19:54 <BillBlight> well FS can use a bit more, but still not what modern GPUs can do
2018-05-15 19:54 <Ubit> you can tell
2018-05-15 19:54 <BillBlight> does not even wake my 1060 up
2018-05-15 19:55 <BillBlight> when my graphics card runs cool with a 1024 draw distance on extreme graphics, I know it is not getting used ... LOL
2018-05-15 19:55 <Ubit> 1G on fs
2018-05-15 19:55 <jsync> See, that's why I talked about making a OpenSim Viewer development team. There are things I'm not aware of that others are, & it's a large project, so good to make a team effort of it.
2018-05-15 19:55 <BillBlight> I have a 6 gig card, and average these days is 2 gig
2018-05-15 19:55 <BillBlight> even for built in graphics 2 gig is about the average
2018-05-15 19:56 <Ubit> alch allows 2g on my 2g gpu
2018-05-15 19:56 <Ubit> think seem on source it does allow more
2018-05-15 19:56 <BillBlight> yeat it allows it, but according to my dashbord it never uses it
2018-05-15 19:56 <Ubit> but does read the gpu
2018-05-15 19:57 <jsync> What do you guys say about a Viewer Development Team?
2018-05-15 19:57 <Plugh> jsync: Go for it.
2018-05-15 19:57 <Ubit> we do need a opensim viewer
2018-05-15 19:57 <BillBlight> Have fun
2018-05-15 19:58 <Ubit> but plugins mb not on our priorities :p
2018-05-15 19:58 <jsync> Others within the past have suggested, "If you have anything, then share it", & that was the extent of it, though I like I said, it should be a team effort.
2018-05-15 19:59 <jsync> Ubit, the concept is make a base stripped down viewer, & then add features with modules & plugins specific to what the individual wants.
2018-05-15 19:59 <Ubit> we have more issues with current viewers
2018-05-15 20:00 <jsync> People keep making different viewers with a few different features. With a single stripped down & basic viewer, then those features could be implemented with the modules & plugins.
2018-05-15 20:00 <Ubit> i only think about 2 versions ( one can be a module just one)
2018-05-15 20:00 <Ubit> ie a view only one, without any edit features
2018-05-15 20:00 <Ubit> striped down menus.. simpler ui etc
2018-05-15 20:00 <jsync> I thought about that, Ubit. I decided to go with different mode settings within a basic viewer.
2018-05-15 20:00 <Ubit> just for those who only want to see things
2018-05-15 20:01 <BillBlight> problem with modules is they ALL have to be updated individually, when you want to make updates, while modules sound good on paper, in real life, they become a "Chasing the dragon" situation ..
2018-05-15 20:01 <jsync> Right. The RPG users can use a RPG Mode, & then various other users can use a "Firestorm" Mode, or what have you.
2018-05-15 20:01 <Ubit> yeah i don't like modules..
2018-05-15 20:01 <Ubit> turn out a bigger problem than a solution
2018-05-15 20:02 <jsync> If the modules were distributed in source, then they could be compiled with basic viewer updates & recompiled when there are new updates.
2018-05-15 20:02 <Ubit> then just give source
2018-05-15 20:02 <Ubit> and viewer already has plugins in think
2018-05-15 20:03 <BillBlight> You miss the point, if you update basic functionality in the core, then you have to touch each module to update it so it still talks to the core, then each third party module has to be updated, so on and so on ..
2018-05-15 20:03 <jsync> So, if rendering engine updates were put to the viewer, the modules could be compiled with source of the viewer, & new compiled modules could be easily added to the updated viewer was what I was thinking.
2018-05-15 20:03 <Ubit> and that will happen all the time
2018-05-15 20:03 <Ubit> until the utopic situation where you do have a well defined API
2018-05-15 20:04 <BillBlight> Opensimulator is modulized , ask Ubit how well that is workign out ..
2018-05-15 20:04 <Ubit> i do have reasons to not like modules :p
2018-05-15 20:04 <Ubit> sure damm pretty.. on paper..
2018-05-15 20:05 <Ubit> but you may find viewer already has them
2018-05-15 20:05 <Ubit> at least think i seen code ...
2018-05-15 20:05 <BillBlight> the plugins you say may have been for browser plugins
2018-05-15 20:06 <BillBlight> *saw
2018-05-15 20:06 <Ubit> don't know.. i was looking for something else
2018-05-15 20:07 <Ubit> but before that, cleanup code a bit,  fix the damm impossible to use build tools
2018-05-15 20:07 <BillBlight> lol
2018-05-15 20:07 <Ubit> that autobuild is a fail
2018-05-15 20:08 <BillBlight> I wrote a shell script to handle that stuff, well not the autobuild, just the opensim build
2018-05-15 20:08 <Ubit> ( and each viewer uses its own )
2018-05-15 20:08 <jsync> Is there an OpenSim forum to make a post to?
2018-05-15 20:08 <BillBlight>  yeah
2018-05-15 20:08 <BillBlight> I messed with viewer code for a while , hated it
2018-05-15 20:08 <Ubit> now i can compile alch
2018-05-15 20:08 <BillBlight> I do like the direction Kokua was going, but they dropped the windows version
2018-05-15 20:09 <Ubit> but only in release/64bit mode lol
2018-05-15 20:09 <Ubit> other modesm fail
2018-05-15 20:09 <BillBlight> source code is still there, I may grab it and give it a go again
2018-05-15 20:10 <Ubit> then a few basic issues that break hg and other things
2018-05-15 20:11 <Ubit> viewer should ask about any resource/avatar to the relevant region
2018-05-15 20:11 <Ubit> current they do to any region ( bc does not matter at sl )
2018-05-15 20:11 <Ubit> getting a avatar name is for us a fail on HG
2018-05-15 20:12 <Ubit> bc viewers ask about dest names to source region
2018-05-15 20:12 <Ubit> then there are bugs ( also for sl) that they just didn't noticed :p
2018-05-15 20:13 <Ubit> textures settings as a flaw protocol
2018-05-15 20:13 <Ubit> so has some region lists settings
2018-05-15 20:13 <Ubit> opensim does need some work, even without adding features
2018-05-15 20:14 <Ubit> i mean a opensim viewer
2018-05-15 20:14 <Ubit> select mech is also a nighmare with objects with 1024 prims as opensim ppl love to do
2018-05-15 20:14 <Ubit> etc
2018-05-15 20:15 <jsync> So, is there an OpenSim Forum?
2018-05-15 20:15 <Ubit> you are on it
2018-05-15 20:15 <Ubit> LOL
2018-05-15 20:16 <Ubit> we also have mail lists
2018-05-15 20:16 <jsync> There's a osgrid forum. There's sluniverse (includes sl users). There's a jopensim forum.
2018-05-15 20:16 <Ubit> we do not have a http one
2018-05-15 20:18 <Ubit> voice is also a not easy issue
2018-05-15 20:18 <BillBlight> Ok time to go put steaks on the Grill , back later 
2018-05-15 20:18 <jsync> It would be cool to make a post that others might find about desire to start a viewer development team for an OpenSim Viewer.
2018-05-15 20:19 <Ubit> mb the users mail list  i guess
2018-05-15 20:19 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists
2018-05-15 20:20 <Ubit> but for fast chat this is the fast one
2018-05-15 20:21 <Ubit> just not stored :)
2018-05-15 21:25 <Plugh> jsync: Making a stripped down viewer is something that Crista(?) had started.
2018-05-15 21:25 <Ubit> more known here as Diva :p
2018-05-15 21:28 <Ubit> https://github.com/diva/OnLook
2018-05-15 21:28 <Plugh> Right. That's the one.
2018-05-15 21:31 <jsync> I wasn't aware of that, though it's a good idea.
2018-05-15 21:31 <jsync> There should be a wiki for custom creation of Viewer modules & OpenSim feature implementation as well.
2018-05-15 21:32 <jsync> That way, OpenSim could stay stable & default. Then the "Community" could use the software the way they wanted.
2018-05-15 21:33 <Ubit> as i said on pvt that may look fine on paper
2018-05-15 21:33 <Ubit> not that fine on real
2018-05-15 21:33 <Ubit> the "Community" is a very overrated thing
2018-05-15 21:33 <jsync> Ubit, the community doesn't want to follow one developer in a particular direction.
2018-05-15 21:34 <jsync> That doesn't even sound good on paper or otherwise.
2018-05-15 21:34 <jsync> OpenSim should be stable & base, & then different implementation & utilization of that software can be diverse.
2018-05-15 21:34 <Ubit> opensim is opensource
2018-05-15 21:35 <Ubit> if anyone whats changes, make them compile them, rename them, and take full responsabilty for it
2018-05-15 21:37 <Ubit> and about "one dev direction"  there is no such thing.. but direction of any "opensim viewer" will be defined by opensim core
2018-05-15 21:37 <Ubit> ie to be considered a oficial opensim viewer
2018-05-15 21:39 <Ubit> if not, well its another viewer.. cool, users will decide
2018-05-15 21:39 <jsync> The concept is to keep OpenSim base, nearly the way it is (though with full functionality). Then make a stripped down viewer that can be appended with modules & plugins, though has basic functionality. Then make a OpenSim Customization wiki that has categories of different things that Grid Owners can do to customize their grid for different usages & a how-to about making the modules & plugins necessary for the viewer.
2018-05-15 21:40 <Ubit> hope we do not keep opensim as it is :p
2018-05-15 21:42 <Ubit> and yes customization per grid is nice to have, Diva started that just for UI ( that is data not code) 
2018-05-15 21:42 <Ubit> and modules are a away of doing it
2018-05-15 21:43 <Ubit> a way
2018-05-15 21:43 <Ubit> but expect "Community" modules will not work for a long time
2018-05-15 21:44 <Ubit> and may not be that desirable feature
2018-05-15 21:44 <Ubit> "Community" is a complex thing...
2018-05-15 21:44 <jsync> Though, give the viewer basic functionality & mode presets. Then, if Grid A & Grid B use the software a particular way & they have a particular set of modules & plugins for the viewer for their grids, then select "Mode: Community AB" within the viewer presets & login.
2018-05-15 21:45 <Ubit> that is not desirable in many cases
2018-05-15 21:45 <Ubit> and that freezes your work on the API
2018-05-15 21:45 <Ubit> bc you may break a or b module
2018-05-15 21:46 <Ubit> a issue we have already 2 much on opensim
2018-05-15 21:46 <Ubit> of course, we do break, if we do really need to
2018-05-15 21:46 <Ubit> but can't even keep track of what we can or can't change without that risk
2018-05-15 21:47 <Ubit> thats the price of yrs active
2018-05-15 21:47 <jsync> So, then there's a Mode folder within the Viewer software with .xml files. "CommunityAB.xml" is a file within the Mode folder & lists the modules & plugins for that Mode preset.
2018-05-15 21:48 <Ubit> now we have grids that will never upgrade to our code, bc it will break their modules or something
2018-05-15 21:48 <Ubit> that module binds us to the mistakes we make today for the future
2018-05-15 21:49 <Ubit> that model. i meant
2018-05-15 21:49 <jsync> That's the point of a stable & base system with a stable & stripped down base viewer.
2018-05-15 21:49 <BillBlight> Foto50 who makes jopensim also created a version of Singularity that supports his opensim web addons directly, so people are already doing that kind of thing ...  But if there is going to be an "Official" viewer, it needs to have a stamp of approval of the core devs, and be flexible enough to change when Ubit breaks things ....
2018-05-15 21:49 <Ubit> and every time we need to change something we will make ppl unhappr
2018-05-15 21:50 <Ubit> at the end  we endup with a lot more unhappy that the ones we did made happy adding the "comunity" modularity
2018-05-15 21:51 <Ubit> as i said long ago..  that kind of thing can be added when there is a well stable API
2018-05-15 21:51 <Ubit> till then better provide our own things
2018-05-15 21:51 <BillBlight> Grid admins, and "Propeller heads" are happier digging in and molding opensim the way they want it, but the "community" wants to click a button and have it run, they don't want to have to configure a bazillion modules ... I of course am part of the propeller head crowd and I still think module fever got out of control ...
2018-05-15 21:52 <Ubit> ( that also means accepting Comunity modules, adding them to the code base )
2018-05-15 21:52 <jsync> It's opposite of that, Ubit.
2018-05-15 21:52 <BillBlight> well , you don't have to accept them, but you have to listen to them cry when core code changes and their module no longer works ..
2018-05-15 21:53 <jsync> You seem like your a bunch of talking & excuses about why not to do it the way it should be done, & then suggestion that it should be done the way you suggested about why not to do it that way.
2018-05-15 21:53 <Ubit> don't go that way
2018-05-15 21:53 <Ubit> i did explain why..
2018-05-15 21:54 <jsync> Anyway.
2018-05-15 21:54 <BillBlight> What looks good on paper, usually blows up when it meets the public
2018-05-15 21:54 <BillBlight> This has happend recently with, the physics engine, Meshes, the money module, and others
2018-05-15 21:55 <jsync> "Don't do it that way because they would want to customize it", really is not a reason to not make it customizable & stable, for the "community" that wants it to work out of the package.
2018-05-15 21:55 <Ubit> yes and will go on  until a eventual future where we do have a nice stable apu
2018-05-15 21:55 <Ubit> api
2018-05-15 21:55 <BillBlight> Nothing is stopping someone from Forking the code and building their own community plugin api if core is not moving fast enough for them
2018-05-15 21:56 <jsync> Exactly, Bill. API could be customized within a plugin.
2018-05-15 21:56 <jsync> That's the point of a stripped down viewer that uses modules & plugins.
2018-05-15 21:56 <BillBlight> Then do it
2018-05-15 21:56 <BillBlight> nothing is stopping someone from doing it
2018-05-15 21:57 <jsync> That's why I mentioned it. I'm curious if the community wants to work on a basic stripped down OpenSim Viewer.
2018-05-15 21:57 <jsync> I think it's what OpenSim needs.
2018-05-15 21:57 <Ubit> already answered that..
2018-05-15 21:57 <Ubit> we do need a viewer opensim oriented
2018-05-15 21:58 <jsync> Then it's just about a project goal & a community development.
2018-05-15 21:58 <BillBlight> problem is, getting community adoption , White-core, aurora, Halcyon, Moses, are just examples of people who knew a better way to do it and the community has not caught on, regardless of if it is better or not ..
2018-05-15 21:58 <Ubit> but to be some kind of official opensim viewer it must be done by opensim core specs, not one dev idea 
2018-05-15 21:58 <Ubit> :p
2018-05-15 21:58 <jsync> A base code should be made, though there should be a development team.
2018-05-15 21:59 <BillBlight> Opensimulator is the base code
2018-05-15 21:59 <BillBlight> a viewer should be based to focus on that, if it was to be "official"
2018-05-15 21:59 <jsync> I mean a base viewer code.
2018-05-15 21:59 <jsync> Right, Bill.
2018-05-15 21:59 <jsync> I'm aware of various things, though I couldn't make something "official".
2018-05-15 22:00 <jsync> I could make one on my own, though it's not necessarily what the "community" needs.
2018-05-15 22:01 <BillBlight> Not adding a bunch of stuff that core code does not support, and trying to "improve" it right out of the gate, it would need to adhere to the core code structure ... I'm not a core dev, I just love opensimulator, but I'm pretty sure I can guess that that core devs are not going to change core code to suit a viewer project ...  Should be the other way around ..
2018-05-15 22:01 <jsync> Right.
2018-05-15 22:01 <Ubit> well a oficial opensim viewer will not care about "Comunity needs"
2018-05-15 22:02 <Ubit> bc that is not how things really work
2018-05-15 22:02 <jsync> It should be a base viewer code. Something that starts with text base & basic functionality, & then implements graphics.
2018-05-15 22:02 <jsync> Then additional functionality of other OpenSim features.
2018-05-15 22:02 <BillBlight> It will care about functionality 
2018-05-15 22:02 <Ubit> apple did not made Iphones bc of community needs.. they did create the comunity needs !
2018-05-15 22:02 <Ubit> comunity does not matter
2018-05-15 22:03 <Ubit> get real
2018-05-15 22:03 <jsync> That's really backwards, Ubit.
2018-05-15 22:03 <BillBlight> The "community" seems like they can't be bothered to file proper mantis reports, donate to core, or support core really in any way, all they do mainly is complain, so I doubt core is going to go out of the way to do what the "Community wants"
2018-05-15 22:03 <Ubit> guess what.. life is backwards :p
2018-05-15 22:03 <Ubit> but think about it
2018-05-15 22:04 <Ubit> think who defines needs.. if comunity or ppl like steve jobs or bill gates etc..
2018-05-15 22:04 <jsync> If developers don't consider the community, then the community goes with someone that does. That's what apple did.
2018-05-15 22:04 <Ubit> wrong
2018-05-15 22:04 <jsync> Anyway, that's really aside of the point though.
2018-05-15 22:04 <jsync> Anyway.
2018-05-15 22:05 <Ubit> the cominity needs are considered on a very special way
2018-05-15 22:05 <Ubit> if you do really want to move fw
2018-05-15 22:05 <jsync> How is that topical?
2018-05-15 22:05 <BillBlight> I am guessing there is a lot history here that you are not aware of jsync, or care to find out about .. They community has pretty much abused the core devs, the people who give them a FREE product to use, who people are using to make money, and yet core seems to always be in the wrong ..
2018-05-15 22:06 <BillBlight> and it is all done on FREE time of the core devs, it is not a job it is a passion
2018-05-15 22:06 <Ubit> well i was not going there.. was on a more abstract ( and polemic) level
2018-05-15 22:06 <jsync> I'm sure there are always plaints & politics involved. That's aside of the point I figure.
2018-05-15 22:06 <jsync> OpenSim has a goal & a basic functionality to strive to achieve.
2018-05-15 22:06 <Ubit> but i already shared some of opensim more urgent needs
2018-05-15 22:07 <Ubit> and modules are not on that for now
2018-05-15 22:07 <jsync> A basic OpenSim Viewer project would need to honor that development goal & be suited to help OpenSim prove a stable & base system that's fully functional & a finished software.
2018-05-15 22:07 <Ubit> as i said, a opensim viewer must me a joined project
2018-05-15 22:08 <BillBlight> I think the goal of opensimulator is to exist, and if people find a use for it, then that is up to them .. This project is not funded, it is not marketed , hell it runs on a shoestring budget and the charity of the core devs
2018-05-15 22:08 <Ubit> things must be done on BOTH sides
2018-05-15 22:08 <Ubit> bc only both sides do define the system
2018-05-15 22:08 <jsync> OpenSim has the goal of being stable & fully functional within a means that's compatible with SecondLife functionality & development.
2018-05-15 22:09 <Ubit> no
2018-05-15 22:09 <BillBlight> Kokua actually already started an OS only viewer project, the code is still out there, just not being done for windows anymore ..
2018-05-15 22:09 <Ubit> compatible with SecondLife functionality & development. is not necessary a goal
2018-05-15 22:09 <BillBlight> Diverging from SL is actually more of a direction these days
2018-05-15 22:09 <Ubit> not viewer side at ALL
2018-05-15 22:10 <BillBlight> Personal Opinion, staying tied to SL for so long is why OS does not have a dedicated viewer ... 
2018-05-15 22:12 <jsync> I think that OpenSim needs a development wiki.
2018-05-15 22:13 <jsync> Something that teaches people about how opensim functions & how to customize it.
2018-05-15 22:13 <jsync> That would increase the number of contributors.
2018-05-15 22:13 <jsync> There could be a repository of cool modules that were developed of the "community" as well.
2018-05-15 22:14 <BillBlight> You realize the module structure is on the site, and there are people that have made modules
2018-05-15 22:14 <jsync> Part of what inhibits development is that each person interested has to learn on their own with years of looking into the code. Often they decide to take the code in their own direction.
2018-05-15 22:15 <BillBlight> Not to mention any body who actually knows how to code can take the sample module, and create their own module, right?
2018-05-15 22:15 <jsync> So, like I suggested: There should be a wiki that explains "how" opensim functions & how to customize opensim & that has a repository of customization modules that the community developed.
2018-05-15 22:16 <jsync> Then the goal of opensim is a fully functional base code.
2018-05-15 22:16 <BillBlight> It is a C# program a person who is an actually coder, should be able to read the exsiting documentation and then fall back on the code and their own knowledge , I don't think it is the place of any project to TEACH people how to code.  Unless of course that is the purpose of the project.
2018-05-15 22:16 <jsync> Then the project completion is achievable & focus can then be put to community & customization.
2018-05-15 22:27 <jsync> I think that core-dev needs serious organization. The ossl functions should be stripped out of core & put into module packages that are variably added to the software. The basic functionality modules, like the physics engine modules, the group functionality modules, etc. should be added to default per functionality & catalogued within modules if they're less functional. Organization of the project would help other developers join t
2018-05-15 22:27 <Plugh> Odd. msbuild gets stuck in middle of building OpenSim httptests branch.
2018-05-15 22:27 <Plugh> xbuild doesn't get stuck.
2018-05-15 22:28 <BBlight_AFK> what mono version plugh ?
2018-05-15 22:28 <Plugh> 5.10.1.20
2018-05-15 22:28 <BBlight_AFK> I had that happen on some mono versions and if I did not clean before building again
2018-05-15 22:28 <BBlight_AFK> yep that was the version that I had issues with
2018-05-15 22:30 <Plugh> xbuild just hung and that is after I ran clean.
2018-05-15 22:30 <Plugh> Time to see what newer version of mono exists.
2018-05-15 22:30 <BBlight_AFK> 5.12
2018-05-15 22:31 <BBlight_AFK> but usually if you just clean and run again it will go through, sometimes takes a couple of tries
2018-05-15 22:31 <Ubit> i only noticed that when my craplap did crash
2018-05-15 22:32 <Ubit> hmm i do remember doing cntrl-c and compile again
2018-05-15 22:32 <Ubit> no need to clear
2018-05-15 22:32 <Ubit> ( so it does skip what it already did )
2018-05-15 22:32 <BBlight_AFK> yeah don't need to clean , just typed it out of habit
2018-05-15 22:33 <Ubit> well some odds of something broken
2018-05-15 22:33 <BBlight_AFK> yes could end up with a half compiled something or other, had that happen more than once
2018-05-15 22:33 <Ubit> but since the decision is based on the presence and info of the exe or dll created at end.. low odds
2018-05-15 22:35 <jsync> If I make an icecast server for audio, I can just plugin to the url with OpenSim & play the music?
2018-05-15 23:01 <Ubit> ohh im so silly
2018-05-15 23:02 <Ubit> (shutup bill )
2018-05-15 23:03 <Ubit> hmm the primmesh used still had the old bug on meshs decode, it seems
2018-05-15 23:04 <Ubit> still has
2018-05-15 23:04 <Ubit> well or i do have a really broken mesh on regions :)
2018-05-15 23:04 <Ubit> yeak map is really slower now 
2018-05-15 23:05 <Ubit> bahh or my craplap did crash again
2018-05-15 23:05 <Ubit> and so it did
2018-05-15 23:11 <Ubit> damm my cat jumped on it
2018-05-15 23:11 <Ubit> crashed again LOL
2018-05-15 23:11 <Plugh> :)
2018-05-15 23:15 <Ubit> ok so ppl should donate me a arm based thing and and a i9 desktop
2018-05-15 23:16 <Ubit> can be a similar xeon desktop i don't mind
2018-05-15 23:16 <Ubit> well actually mb i do.. depends on the xeon
2018-05-15 23:16 <Ubit> but why worring about something that will never happen? :)
2018-05-15 23:20 <Plugh> mono doesn't seem to tag their versions very well. I don't see any tags for 5.x. Their git master is 5.15.
2018-05-15 23:20 <Ubit> uff explained the cat she cant be on the craplap, as soon i looked away she tried to get back on it :)
2018-05-15 23:20 <Plugh> That's a cat for you. :)
2018-05-15 23:20 <Ubit> cats always be cats :)
2018-05-15 23:21 <BBlight_AFK> one of the reasons I quit pullign from their git and just pull the releases from the repository
2018-05-15 23:21 <Plugh> Ubit, have you seen any of the videos on YouTube in the channel Simon's Cat? See -> https://www.youtube.com/user/simonscat
2018-05-15 23:22 <Ubit> damm why is region stuck on init addin manager
2018-05-15 23:22 <Ubit> did i break warp3d.dll ?
2018-05-15 23:27 <Ubit> ok seems something got brokne on addin-db---
2018-05-15 23:27 <Plugh> BillBlight: yea. The downloads say latest is 5.12.0 stable. 
2018-05-15 23:27 <Plugh> I wonder what happened to 5.14 if master is 5.15
2018-05-15 23:27 <Ubit> but dam box crashed again
2018-05-15 23:27 <Ubit> grrr
2018-05-15 23:28 <Ubit> stays fine for days then gets crazy
2018-05-15 23:29 <Ubit> bill can u check if this compiles and runs and makes some kinda of a map ?
2018-05-15 23:29 <Ubit> our you plugh :)
2018-05-15 23:29 <Ubit> or both lol
2018-05-15 23:30 <BillBlight> gimme a minute, sure
2018-05-15 23:30 <Ubit> what hell stuck again on addin manager
2018-05-15 23:31 <Ubit> well it did crash... so..
2018-05-15 23:31 <BillBlight> odd numbers on mono are the dev versions even numbers are release, mabye 5.14 didn't make the cut
2018-05-15 23:32 <Ubit> well map is slow and heavy :(
2018-05-15 23:33 <Ubit> well but finally did it
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2018-05-15 23:35 <Ubit> and did make a map.. hmm kindaoff
2018-05-15 23:35 <Ubit> :)
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2018-05-15 23:40 <Ubit> ( btw deleting that addin-db.002 does fix some odd issues ocasionally )
2018-05-15 23:40 <Ubit> it is rebuilt on startup
2018-05-15 23:42 <Plugh> I got red text.
2018-05-15 23:42 <Ubit> possible a good idea to delete on all new compile
2018-05-15 23:42 <Plugh> First line is [STARTUP]: Registration of region with grid failed, aborting startup due to void Warp3D.warp_Material.setTransparency(int)   at OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.World.Warp3DMap.Warp3DImageModule.GenMapTile () [0x00124] in <83a84acd4c274157b141c7e31c13d730>:0 
2018-05-15 23:43 <Ubit> hmm i did remove that funtion
2018-05-15 23:44 <Plugh> I'm doing a clean and rebuild.
2018-05-15 23:44 <Ubit> let me recheck
2018-05-15 23:44 <Ubit> i did remove that from warp3d
2018-05-15 23:44 <Ubit> it now cames from base obj color
2018-05-15 23:45 <Ubit> yeap not on that file
2018-05-15 23:45 <BillBlight> well compiled and started up fine, loading an oar with a few more objects will try then
2018-05-15 23:46 <Ubit> yeap then you have  issue plug
2018-05-15 23:46 <Ubit> it would fail compile if there
2018-05-15 23:47 <Ubit> yeap not on git either
2018-05-15 23:47 <BillBlight> map for a 3x3 took 13 seconds with 1500 objects
2018-05-15 23:47 <Ubit> and before was 1sec?
2018-05-15 23:47 <Ubit> :)
2018-05-15 23:48 <BillBlight> well that is 9 maptiles, so really not bad, before it was about 1 second per tile
2018-05-15 23:48 <Ubit> im loading all textures into warp3d now
2018-05-15 23:48 <Ubit> and creating mipmaps that it did not had at all
2018-05-15 23:49 <Ubit> that also means at least 33% more memory
2018-05-15 23:51 <Ubit> well this is no longer warp3d really
2018-05-15 23:52 <Ubit> mb i should rename it
2018-05-15 23:58 <Ubit> prims now also have a kinda of LOD
2018-05-15 23:58 <Ubit> still need some tunning
2018-05-16 00:00 <Ubit> guess some AA is needed.. but thats heavy :(
2018-05-16 00:00 <Ubit> mips do reduce artifacs.. but not all
2018-05-16 00:04 <Ubit> btw there is also now a file MAP(uuid).png  
2018-05-16 00:04 <Ubit> there for debug, but mb a nice option to keep
2018-05-16 00:04 <Ubit> the uuid is the region uuid
2018-05-16 00:05 <Ubit> and caching now happens on bin/assetcache/map
2018-05-16 00:05 <Ubit> not mixed as a uuid with other assets
2018-05-16 00:06 <Ubit> like master did
2018-05-16 00:06 <Ubit> damm today i keep talking about things no one cares about, it seems :P
2018-05-16 00:08 <Plugh> bah. The build keeps hanging. :P
2018-05-16 00:08 <Ubit> define hanging
2018-05-16 00:09 <Plugh> It just stops part way through the build.
2018-05-16 00:09 <Ubit> the compiler ?
2018-05-16 00:09 <Ubit> odd
2018-05-16 00:09 <Plugh> yes
2018-05-16 00:09 <Ubit> try cntr-c and repeat the comand
2018-05-16 00:09 <Plugh> I never experienced the compiler getting stuck with the master build.
2018-05-16 00:09 <Plugh> yea, that's what I'm doing.
2018-05-16 00:10 <Plugh> master branch.
2018-05-16 00:10 <Ubit> and don't blame httptests :p
2018-05-16 00:10 <Plugh> Its just an observation of difference in behaviour of the compiler.
2018-05-16 00:10 <Ubit> yeap its dif
2018-05-16 00:11 <Plugh> No idea why it is getting hung up in the build of httptests.
2018-05-16 00:11 <Plugh> ok. Compiled with 5 warnings.
2018-05-16 00:11 <Ubit> hmm 2 extra
2018-05-16 00:12 <Plugh> Generating map image...
2018-05-16 00:13 <Plugh> completed the generation.
2018-05-16 00:14 <Plugh> It took 52 seconds to generate the map.
2018-05-16 00:14 <Ubit> and looks as a map ? :)
2018-05-16 00:15 <Plugh> yes
2018-05-16 00:15 <Ubit> any dif from the master one?
2018-05-16 00:16 <Plugh> IIRC, no white stripe down the right side of the tiles. 
2018-05-16 00:16 <Ubit> assuming you have all options on
2018-05-16 00:16 <Ubit> terrain is dif now
2018-05-16 00:16 <Ubit> so are prims
2018-05-16 00:17 <Plugh> I'm updating my master build.
2018-05-16 00:17 <Ubit> on terrain, the textures where assumed as for the full region
2018-05-16 00:17 <Ubit> and they are not.. they are per patch
2018-05-16 00:18 <Ubit> so it does look ugly sometimes with seems and tiling visible 
2018-05-16 00:18 <Ubit> when we look far
2018-05-16 00:19 <Ubit> but thats how they are..
2018-05-16 00:19 <Ubit> master on other hand did display their details all over
2018-05-16 00:20 <Ubit> making terrain odd
2018-05-16 00:20 <Plugh> On master the map generated in 7 seconds
2018-05-16 00:20 <Ubit> think Y was also fliped on them.. but don't remember
2018-05-16 00:20 <Ubit> yeap it is heavier now :(
2018-05-16 00:21 <Ubit> does more things
2018-05-16 00:21 <Plugh> I see some extra detail in the httptests map image that doesn't show in the maps generated by master.
2018-05-16 00:21 <Ubit> yeap there should be a bit more
2018-05-16 00:21 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2018-05-16 00:22 <Plugh> I have some objects with text on them. I can see signs of the text in the httptests map but not in the master map.
2018-05-16 00:22 <Ubit> light is also dif.. less shadows on objects ( no real shows projected. warp does not have those )
2018-05-16 00:22 <Ubit> yeap i did fix textures mapping
2018-05-16 00:23 <Plugh> ok
2018-05-16 00:23 <Plugh> bbl. Going for a walk before it gets too dark.
2018-05-16 00:23 <Ubit> well lets say improved :)
2018-05-16 00:23 <Ubit> the projection is still a kinda of orto
2018-05-16 00:23 <Ubit> but for top view guess no other option
2018-05-16 00:24 <Ubit> perspective proj fails..  higher objects get out of map
2018-05-16 00:24 <Ubit> but large tilted object look odd without perspective
2018-05-16 02:47 <Jasminyuuu> is the only way to run opensim and acces from net and server pc without nat loopback is paying for a server to host?
2018-05-16 02:51 <BillBlight> Several options, buy a better router, linux firewall, direct connection .. So no that is not the ONLY option ..
2018-05-16 02:58 <Jasminyuuu> can i direct connect whilst others connect over net? i thought it was one or other
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2018-05-16 17:28 <tx0h> hello
2018-05-16 17:31 <tx0h> somehow, in the recent httptests head, i can't start the sim without configuring the warp3d mapper
2018-05-16 17:32 <tx0h> and ubit is gone. oh no!
2018-05-16 17:33 <tx0h> :-)
2018-05-16 18:17 <Plugh> tx0h: What "configuring" is required for the sim to start?
2018-05-16 18:18 <tx0h> what do you mean?
2018-05-16 18:19 <Plugh> You said you have to configure warp3d for it to start.
2018-05-16 18:19 <tx0h> i set MapImageModule = "Warp3DImageModule" but also GenerateMaptiles = false
2018-05-16 18:20 <tx0h> thats ok
2018-05-16 18:21 <tx0h> and there is still the GridUsers table missing, when you start a fresh StandaloneHypergrid sim
2018-05-16 18:23 <tx0h> if you like to set MapImageModule to MapImageModule, it will freeze with http://pasteall.org/964551
2018-05-16 18:23 <Plugh> What configuration of Warp3D prevents the region from starting?
2018-05-16 18:23 <tx0h> if you don't like to use warp3d
2018-05-16 18:23 <tx0h> you can't
2018-05-16 18:23 <tx0h> if you like to set MapImageModule to MapImageModule, it will freeze with http://pasteall.org/964551
2018-05-16 18:25 <Plugh> hm... OS throws an exception from Warp3D if it isn't the maptile generator.
2018-05-16 18:25 <tx0h> yepp
2018-05-16 18:25 <tx0h> and freeze
2018-05-16 18:26 <tx0h> on httptests branch
2018-05-16 18:27 <Plugh> Ah. Missing an if statement in RegionLoaded.
2018-05-16 18:28 <tx0h> ?
2018-05-16 18:34 <Plugh> tx0h: git pull
2018-05-16 18:34 <tx0h> mk
2018-05-16 18:34 <tx0h> t
2018-05-16 18:34 <tx0h> ty
2018-05-16 18:35 <tx0h> hehe, i run two standalones on my tinkerboard now
2018-05-16 18:36 <tx0h> one with master, one with httptests
2018-05-16 18:37 <Plugh> nice
2018-05-16 18:37 <tx0h> yeah, i need to find a bug, which removes the wearables from the Avatars table
2018-05-16 18:38 <tx0h> and this is in both, master and httptests
2018-05-16 18:39 <tx0h> this means, when the Avatars table entry got read, i seems like the wearables disappear and didn't got wrote back to the table
2018-05-16 18:39 <Plugh> Some wearables go missing when they shouldn't?
2018-05-16 18:39 <Plugh> hm... odd.
2018-05-16 18:40 <tx0h> yes, it is. it's on arm7 with mariadb
2018-05-16 18:40 <tx0h> thats why create user with model paramater didn't work here
2018-05-16 18:41 <tx0h> because the wearables (skin, eyes, etc) can't be transfered
2018-05-16 18:43 <tx0h> oh, its not some, it's all wearables.
2018-05-16 18:43 <tx0h> maybe it has to do with inventoryID:assetID tuples
2018-05-16 18:44 <tx0h> need to dive into it, i just setted up my test env
2018-05-16 18:46 <tx0h> but this create table GridUsers, which is missed, can be a show blocker. i wonder, why it didn't got fixed over the years
2018-05-16 19:48 <BillBlight> tx0h you are using maria?  Make sure your table coalition time is set to utf8_general_ci , I think Maria does not default to that , that has caused me issues in the past .. 
2018-05-16 19:48 <BillBlight> type not time
2018-05-16 19:59 <Ubit> there is also a issue with utf8 encode size
2018-05-16 19:59 <Ubit> a potencial issue.. must be 3 bytes compatible with mysql
2018-05-16 20:00 <Ubit> on some dists mariaDB is set to 4 bytes
2018-05-16 20:00 <Ubit> errr oops, same issue lol
2018-05-16 20:47 <tx0h> BillBlight: i rezz my region in 3 minutes now, with httptests. i made a second, new sim from scratch and imported the oar. very smooth.
2018-05-16 20:49 <tx0h> but i still need to find the nasty Avatars table error.
2018-05-16 21:13 <BillBlight> The table creation issue may be because of the default coalition of your mariadb if it is wrong it fails
2018-05-16 21:14 <BillBlight> not sure why I keep typing coalition when I mean collation
2018-05-16 21:16 <BillBlight> table creation could be related to this mantis ..http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8298
2018-05-16 21:34 <Ubit> rez is now better? what was the issue ?
2018-05-16 21:35 <Ubit> oops he left :)
2018-05-16 21:40 <Ubit> damm ms, added several features i don't care about on the last update
2018-05-16 21:41 <Ubit> some do sound like more "Big Brother" tools
2018-05-16 22:31 <jsync> Hello. Does Diva have a page published about her work on a OpenSim Viewer?
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2018-05-16 22:59 <tx0h> yes, somewhere
2018-05-16 22:59 <tx0h> hi
2018-05-16 23:02 <tx0h> i would like to see a client which is able to stream rendered video instad of using the users grafixcard or any thing which is able to see and control content and communication via a web based interface (javascript)
2018-05-16 23:02 <Ubit> ahh just stream to twitch and watch :p
2018-05-16 23:03 <tx0h> a lot of people don't have high end grafix cards
2018-05-16 23:03 <Ubit> there is a big issue on that.. cost
2018-05-16 23:03 <Ubit> it is really a solution for low end clients
2018-05-16 23:04 <tx0h> but imagine to case a high end grafic card in a box in the lan
2018-05-16 23:04 <Ubit> even some cable tv boxes have games like that
2018-05-16 23:04 <tx0h> so you can have good grafic on each device
2018-05-16 23:04 <Ubit> a server plays the games, captures it and streams its video
2018-05-16 23:04 <Ubit> handling also keystokes and mouse convertion
2018-05-16 23:05 <Ubit> so some extra lag is added, but kinda works
2018-05-16 23:05 <Ubit> for opensim several layers could be removed
2018-05-16 23:05 <Ubit> but then COST
2018-05-16 23:06 <Ubit> you need a full GPU per each client server
2018-05-16 23:06 <tx0h> yes, but it's a device you could buy for the lan
2018-05-16 23:06 <Ubit> that is not finacially viable
2018-05-16 23:07 <Ubit> well if you want fps, you need a good gpu
2018-05-16 23:08 <tx0h> yes, and a little server hardware in front of it, which handles stream and input
2018-05-16 23:08 <Ubit> and a region simulator is already very costly relative to a web server, even a video or audio streaming one
2018-05-16 23:08 <Ubit> you didn't read.. a GPU per each client
2018-05-16 23:09 <Ubit> bc that is what you have on a desktop, and even so complaing about fps
2018-05-16 23:09 <tx0h> well not much. only if i zoom out :-)
2018-05-16 23:09 <Ubit> so no.. not a little server hardware... a more expensive one
2018-05-16 23:10 <Ubit> and the damm things now do have tons of pixels, so we can't save on resolution etc
2018-05-16 23:10 <tx0h> yes, a fast gpu for rendering
2018-05-16 23:10 <Ubit> so do the math
2018-05-16 23:10 <BillBlight> streaming rendered video would increase bandwidth to an astronomical level
2018-05-16 23:10 <Ubit> that also
2018-05-16 23:11 <tx0h> it;s in the lan, again.
2018-05-16 23:11 <Ubit> but well twitch does work
2018-05-16 23:11 <Ubit> somehow lol
2018-05-16 23:11 <Ubit> and so does my iptv. but iptv can use multicast
2018-05-16 23:12 <Ubit> not sure it does.
2018-05-16 23:12 <Ubit> guess a mix
2018-05-16 23:12 <Ubit> bc server side saved movies etc.. multicast not that usefull
2018-05-16 23:12 <tx0h> but we need to have a client which runs in the web.
2018-05-16 23:12 <Ubit> no we do not need that
2018-05-16 23:13 <Ubit> maria needs that.. we do not
2018-05-16 23:13 <tx0h> yes, we did
2018-05-16 23:13 <Ubit> damm browsers junkies
2018-05-16 23:13 <Ubit> no we don't
2018-05-16 23:14 <Ubit> we can just make the brower kick in a viewer
2018-05-16 23:14 <tx0h> damn client diversity, and all need to get downloaded.
2018-05-16 23:14 <Ubit> everything needs to be downloaded
2018-05-16 23:14 <Ubit> browsers came with a set of the most used things
2018-05-16 23:14 <tx0h> yes, the content. but the browser is there
2018-05-16 23:15 <Ubit> no.. the plugins also
2018-05-16 23:15 <Ubit> browers just ship with the most used ones, so you don't notice
2018-05-16 23:15 <Ubit> like java, flash, adobe..
2018-05-16 23:16 <Ubit> but not and then it does ask to download a new version
2018-05-16 23:16 <Ubit> some also bring webgl..  but webgl fails on opensim large contents
2018-05-16 23:17 <Ubit> so even if we made a browser plugin, you will still need to download it
2018-05-16 23:17 <tx0h> thats where a lan based gpu could plugin
2018-05-16 23:17 <BillBlight> uggg
2018-05-16 23:17 <Ubit> and install it, and pass security checks, blablabla
2018-05-16 23:17 <BillBlight> We don't NEED a browser based viewer
2018-05-16 23:17 <Ubit> man you know costs of gpus
2018-05-16 23:18 <tx0h> it could be used for any 3d rendered content
2018-05-16 23:18 <Ubit> and a simple one like the ones on i7's and i5's  does not do the fps ppl want
2018-05-16 23:18 <BillBlight> First off browser cache storage can't handle what we throw at it 
2018-05-16 23:18 <Ubit> and its a nonsense
2018-05-16 23:19 <Ubit> browsers can kick applications on demand
2018-05-16 23:19 <BillBlight> The problem that people don't see, is our content is 100% dynamic, where these other "games" in the browser are pulling prerendered content and storing it for later use.  Opensim sends everything over the wire in real time ..
2018-05-16 23:19 <Ubit> in same cases the app can even hijack its draw window
2018-05-16 23:19 <Ubit> well used to be easy when that was ONE browser :)
2018-05-16 23:20 <Ubit> guess early plugins where just that
2018-05-16 23:20 <tx0h> i would love to see the back dragon client (on linux)
2018-05-16 23:21 <tx0h> it all started with netscape interface
2018-05-16 23:21 <Ubit> but yes streaming is a used solution, just not economical viable
2018-05-16 23:22 <Ubit> another solution some tried is LL<->webgl converter
2018-05-16 23:22 <Ubit> but, as i said webGL is a fail for us
2018-05-16 23:22 <tx0h> i just like to see an easier access to opensim like systems
2018-05-16 23:22 <Ubit> thats bs
2018-05-16 23:22 <BillBlight> If a person is too lazy to install a viewer do we really want them?
2018-05-16 23:22 <Ubit> if you want to play a good game you DOWNLOAD it 
2018-05-16 23:22 <tx0h> yes, everything seems to be bs, right?
2018-05-16 23:23 <Ubit> yes what is is BS
2018-05-16 23:23 <Ubit> 98% web based games are not much better than spectrum games
2018-05-16 23:24 <tx0h> sinclair?
2018-05-16 23:24 <Ubit> all good ones are full download things
2018-05-16 23:24 <tx0h> melting rubber keys?
2018-05-16 23:24 <Ubit> i was taliking about the games.. spectrum or c64
2018-05-16 23:25 <Ubit> low end spectrum of games
2018-05-16 23:25 <Ubit> all high end are downloaded and full optimized for the target platform
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2018-05-16 23:26 <Ubit> so stop that web thing, if you like good fps and view
2018-05-16 23:26 <Ubit> and regions with content
2018-05-16 23:26 <tx0h> 
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2018-05-16 23:27 <Ubit> unity does provide a webclient..  that crys all the time asking for you to install the real one :p
2018-05-16 23:28 <Ubit> ( well my cry silently :p )
2018-05-16 23:28 <BillBlight> yes, but that is a plugin , wrapped app, not actually running in the browser
2018-05-16 23:28 <Ubit> may..
2018-05-16 23:28 <tx0h> really? even unity didn't work well?
2018-05-16 23:28 <tx0h> i guess, a lan based gpu could be a big help.
2018-05-16 23:28 <tx0h> nvidia should to that.
2018-05-16 23:29 <Ubit> man.. i already answered that
2018-05-16 23:29 <BillBlight> there are already lan based GPU's they are Nvidia Tesla render farms ... LOL
2018-05-16 23:29 <Ubit> it is not cost effective.. no one would pay for it
2018-05-16 23:29 <Ubit> do the math on you own grid
2018-05-16 23:29 <tx0h> BillBlight: i mean for consumers
2018-05-16 23:30 <Ubit> count how many ppl you want there at same time
2018-05-16 23:30 <Ubit> then extimate the cost of that number of "lan gpus"
2018-05-16 23:30 <tx0h> ubit: a lot. 4 to 500
2018-05-16 23:30 <BillBlight> Xbox streaming, Steam Streambox
2018-05-16 23:30 <BillBlight> both of those do that
2018-05-16 23:30 <Ubit> so if such a thing costed 10USD, its 5000USD just for buying them
2018-05-16 23:31 <Ubit> plus place.. power supply cooling.. and NET
2018-05-16 23:31 <tx0h> ubit, a lot of people don't even think about a better gpu. but if you offer a consumer lan based gpu, it could change the game.
2018-05-16 23:31 <BillBlight> You can play Xbox games on your PC via the stream service, they are rendered ont he xbox and then sent to your PC, 
2018-05-16 23:31 <Ubit> 2mbps for low quality video, its 1Gbps at least
2018-05-16 23:31 <BillBlight> if they can afford a lan GPU, why not just upgrade the gpu in their pc?
2018-05-16 23:32 <Ubit> for HD , 4Gbps
2018-05-16 23:32 <Ubit> plus audio..
2018-05-16 23:32 <Ubit> and control
2018-05-16 23:32 <Ubit> see the math ?
2018-05-16 23:32 <tx0h> but then this is limited to the pc, but not on the tablet or the notebook
2018-05-16 23:33 <Ubit> tablets are getting power
2018-05-16 23:33 <Ubit> so.. just wait
2018-05-16 23:33 <Ubit> and they will manage to render regions
2018-05-16 23:33 <Ubit> if not already
2018-05-16 23:33 <tx0h> actually, far from it.
2018-05-16 23:33 <Ubit> its vulcan the gpu they use now ?
2018-05-16 23:33 <BillBlight> You know they make external high powered GPU's right, that can be moved from system to system?
2018-05-16 23:34 <tx0h> no, i don't. what they are?
2018-05-16 23:34 <Ubit> actually most game engines do gen native code for droids and ios
2018-05-16 23:35 <BillBlight> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125990&cm_re=external_graphics_card-_-14-125-990-_-Product
2018-05-16 23:35 <Ubit> no web craps.. but Apps :p
2018-05-16 23:36 <Ubit> so soon all tablets will be able to render moderate size regions easy
2018-05-16 23:36 <tx0h> nice, but to expensive. half the price would be better.
2018-05-16 23:36 <Ubit> if someone makes a viewer for them :p
2018-05-16 23:36 <BillBlight> 75% of that price is the card
2018-05-16 23:36 <BillBlight> you can get a lower end card, and the box , for less money
2018-05-16 23:36 <Ubit> and each costing the same as that "lan gpu" :p
2018-05-16 23:36 <tx0h> but then it's limited to one device, again.
2018-05-16 23:36 <BillBlight> You think a "Lan GPU" would be any less expensive?  Most likely a lot MORE
2018-05-16 23:37 <Ubit> bahh read me
2018-05-16 23:37 <Ubit> no need for that
2018-05-16 23:37 <Ubit> tables HAVE GPUS now
2018-05-16 23:37 <BillBlight> umm it is not limited to one device, you can move it from PC to PC
2018-05-16 23:37 <tx0h> yes, my phone also has a gpu.
2018-05-16 23:37 <tx0h> lol
2018-05-16 23:37 <Ubit> so.. forget... no need for those lan gpu things anymore
2018-05-16 23:38 <Ubit> just a client that does work on droids and ios :)
2018-05-16 23:38 <Ubit> ewll there where one or 2 for sl
2018-05-16 23:38 <Ubit> full graphics i mean
2018-05-16 23:39 <Ubit> did you check those ?
2018-05-16 23:39 <tx0h> no, i didn't i'm cool with a separate client and a good gpu in my pc
2018-05-16 23:39 <Ubit> btw what was your rezzing time issue ?
2018-05-16 23:40 <tx0h> and my loud running notebook
2018-05-16 23:40 <Ubit> mb yr fan is dying on that notebook
2018-05-16 23:41 <tx0h> as i wrote before: after a fresh install, i loaded the oar fine and it rezzes as fast as master, 3 minutes or less.
2018-05-16 23:41 <Ubit> sdo something was wrong on the other setup
2018-05-16 23:41 <tx0h> ubit: na, i just upated the firmware. it is just on, when i run in optirun heavy usage
2018-05-16 23:42 <tx0h> ubit: yes, but the Avatars table bug is still there
2018-05-16 23:42 <tx0h> i will dive into it tomorrow
2018-05-16 23:42 <Ubit> what avatar bug?
2018-05-16 23:43 <BillBlight> tx0h did you check the colation of your tables in Mariadb ?
2018-05-16 23:43 <tx0h> i run two sims now, on my tinkerboard (master and httptests)
2018-05-16 23:43 <BillBlight> they must be strict utf8 not utf84
2018-05-16 23:43 <Ubit> yes colation / type of utf8 encoding can be a issue
2018-05-16 23:43 <tx0h> you mean the char encoding?
2018-05-16 23:43 <Ubit> yes
2018-05-16 23:44 <BillBlight> can cause the tables to not be created, or to not save or even be blanked
2018-05-16 23:44 <Ubit> on some dists maria uses utf84 and that smokes
2018-05-16 23:44 <tx0h> i need to check that. but i guess that can't be the issue behind the bug.
2018-05-16 23:44 <BillBlight> yep
2018-05-16 23:44 <Ubit> it needs to be utfb3 as mysql
2018-05-16 23:44 <Ubit> wel thats just a known issue on maria :)
2018-05-16 23:45 <BillBlight> or simply utf8_general_ci
2018-05-16 23:45 <BillBlight> yes known issue, I posted a link to a mantis about it earlier
2018-05-16 23:45 <tx0h> it's all utf8
2018-05-16 23:45 <tx0h> i'm fine
2018-05-16 23:46 <BillBlight> if it just says utf8 you may not be fine, as mariadb default utf8 is actually utf84
2018-05-16 23:46 <Ubit> force utf8_general_ci or b3 just in case
2018-05-16 23:46 <Ubit> actuall maria ships with b3  but some dists change it to b4
2018-05-16 23:47 <Ubit> bc they are clever and know b3 is wrong.. yeah ok
2018-05-16 23:47 <Ubit> mysql did cheat to same memory  using b3
2018-05-16 23:47 <Ubit> but made a standard with that
2018-05-16 23:48 <Ubit> ..to save..
2018-05-16 23:48 <Ubit> but we should not really need that
2018-05-16 23:48 <tx0h> ok, i changed default to utf8_general_ci now
2018-05-16 23:48 <Ubit> damm HG hack
2018-05-16 23:48 <tx0h> it really was on utf84
2018-05-16 23:49 <BillBlight> That could explain all your table "bugs"
2018-05-16 23:49 <tx0h> well, this was the only one
2018-05-16 23:50 <tx0h> and we will see if this solved the problem
2018-05-16 23:50 <BillBlight> you need to update all the tables
2018-05-16 23:50 <BillBlight> changing the default does not change existing tables
2018-05-16 23:50 <tx0h> i make a fresh database now and test it right away
2018-05-16 23:50 <Ubit> we only have issues on a place or 2
2018-05-16 23:50 <Ubit> don't ask where.. somewhere :p
2018-05-16 23:50 <Ubit> due to HG hack
2018-05-16 23:51 <Ubit> i really don't like dbs index keys with more than 700 bytes.. but well whatever
2018-05-16 23:53 <Ubit> map works bill ? :p
2018-05-16 23:53 <Ubit> well its damm ugly :(
2018-05-16 23:53 <BillBlight> it works
2018-05-16 23:53 <Ubit> true spectrum quality
2018-05-16 23:53 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-05-16 23:53 <Ubit> well worse
2018-05-16 23:54 <tx0h> warp3 maps?
2018-05-16 23:54 <Ubit> yeap
2018-05-16 23:54 <Ubit> i changed those
2018-05-16 23:54 <Ubit> a lot slower now :p
2018-05-16 23:54 <Ubit> well issue is not the rendering
2018-05-16 23:55 <Ubit> its the textures and meshs
2018-05-16 23:55 <Ubit> getting and converting all of them
2018-05-16 23:55 <tx0h> ok, before the first login, the wearables are in the Avatars tables, check.
2018-05-16 23:56 <Ubit> dont tell the model things what the utf8 issue...
2018-05-16 23:56 <tx0h> oh f*ck, need to add GridUsers table manually again
2018-05-16 23:56 <Ubit> was..
2018-05-16 23:58 <tx0h> wow, after login, wearables still in Avatars list
2018-05-16 23:58 <tx0h> no
2018-05-16 23:58 <tx0h> not
2018-05-16 23:58 <tx0h> my query was to early
2018-05-16 23:58 <tx0h> wearables gone from table;
2018-05-16 23:59 <Ubit> so still a issue somewhere killing them
2018-05-16 23:59 <tx0h> 
ACTION sighs

2018-05-17 00:00 <tx0h> but really, when the oar of the complete region got loaded, it rezzes as fast, as in master.
2018-05-17 00:00 <tx0h> makes me happy
2018-05-17 00:00 <Ubit> we told u it should :)
2018-05-17 00:01 <Ubit> damm my cat was on my craplap again
2018-05-17 00:01 <tx0h> yes, i also thought, that can't be
2018-05-17 00:02 <tx0h> but know, that i can run a empty second sim on the machine, i can debug without interrupting the 'productive' sim
2018-05-17 00:02 <Ubit> or lapcraptop
2018-05-17 00:03 <tx0h> thats my notebook, the loud one: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Schenker-XMG-A523-Clevo-W350ST-Notebook.94048.0.html
2018-05-17 00:03 <tx0h> hostname: ugly
2018-05-17 00:04 <Ubit> looks like u then :p
2018-05-17 00:04 <BillBlight> LMAO
2018-05-17 00:05 <tx0h> well, i think i have more gammut space than this one
2018-05-17 00:06 <BillBlight> what table are you saying wearables is empty?
2018-05-17 00:06 <tx0h> Avatars
2018-05-17 00:07 <BillBlight> strange, just checking, because mine does not get emptied ..
2018-05-17 00:07 <BillBlight> so it is somethe specific to your setup
2018-05-17 00:07 <tx0h> yes
2018-05-17 00:07 <BillBlight> does not get emptied on my test grid, or stand alone
2018-05-17 00:07 <Ubit> something is wrong
2018-05-17 00:07 <tx0h> it's odd
2018-05-17 00:08 <Ubit> seems regions fetch gets them empty
2018-05-17 00:08 <BillBlight> what TYPE of table is it, InnoDB ?
2018-05-17 00:08 <Ubit> then regions write them back empty
2018-05-17 00:08 <tx0h> yes, innoDB
2018-05-17 00:08 <Ubit> thats what i think its happening now
2018-05-17 00:08 <BillBlight> are you using a separate db for the region?
2018-05-17 00:08 <tx0h> thats what i go and investigate
2018-05-17 00:09 <tx0h> no
2018-05-17 00:09 <tx0h> it's standalone
2018-05-17 00:09 <Ubit> funny how things work with no wearables 
2018-05-17 00:09 <BillBlight> hmm
2018-05-17 00:09 <tx0h> it's standaloneHypergrid
2018-05-17 00:09 <tx0h> works pretty well
2018-05-17 00:09 <Ubit> err long since i tested standalones 
2018-05-17 00:09 <BillBlight> just for giggles, have you tried putting the DB server on a different machine?
2018-05-17 00:09 <BillBlight> not on the tinkerboard
2018-05-17 00:10 <tx0h> no
2018-05-17 00:10 <BillBlight> That would be something to test
2018-05-17 00:10 <tx0h> well, all databases listen to localhost only :-/
2018-05-17 00:10 <tx0h> but ok, i can try.. moment
2018-05-17 00:11 <Ubit> hmm
2018-05-17 00:12 <Ubit> the change of the char encode does not need some action to be effective on existent dbs ?
2018-05-17 00:12 <BillBlight> yes, but he said he created a new DB
2018-05-17 00:12 <Ubit> ok
2018-05-17 00:12 <BillBlight> but you have to alter exsiting tables
2018-05-17 00:12 <tx0h> i made a complete new one, no worry
2018-05-17 00:14 <Ubit> well warp has a lot of issues still
2018-05-17 00:14 <BillBlight> just like the guy working on it has a lot of "issues" :P
2018-05-17 00:14 <Ubit> for some reason UV mapping is missing by 1 dot
2018-05-17 00:14 <Ubit> textures alpha are cheating...
2018-05-17 00:15 <Ubit> 2 overlapping ones may not do it right..
2018-05-17 00:15 <Ubit> at least not the crap viewers alpha bug
2018-05-17 00:15 <Ubit> only texture mapping default, planar will give odd results
2018-05-17 00:16 <Ubit> no glow
2018-05-17 00:16 <Ubit> no materials Of course
2018-05-17 00:16 <Ubit> no linden trees
2018-05-17 00:16 <Ubit> no lights
2018-05-17 00:16 <Ubit> well rendirind is at noon.. so lights not that usefull
2018-05-17 00:17 <Ubit> and under spectrum quality :p
2018-05-17 00:18 <Ubit> and slloooweerrr :(
2018-05-17 00:24 <tx0h> ok
2018-05-17 00:24 <tx0h> wearables are in before first login
2018-05-17 00:26 <tx0h> interesting, GridUser got created automaticaly
2018-05-17 00:26 <tx0h> and wearables got deleted;
2018-05-17 00:27 <BillBlight> in your [GridService] section, are you using mysql or null data
2018-05-17 00:27 <tx0h> (database on a different machine)
2018-05-17 00:28 <BillBlight> not that it should have anything to do with it, just curious
2018-05-17 00:29 <tx0h> null data
2018-05-17 00:29 <BillBlight> change that to use mysql
2018-05-17 00:29 <tx0h> (storage provider)
2018-05-17 00:30 <tx0h> OpenSim.Data.MySQL.dll?
2018-05-17 00:30 <BillBlight> StorageProvider = "OpenSim.Data.MySQL.dll:MySqlRegionData"
2018-05-17 00:30 <BillBlight> I'm just curious if that makes a difference
2018-05-17 00:35 <tx0h> i change it in both files, standaloneCommon and standaloneHypergrid 
2018-05-17 00:38 <tx0h> ha, before login, wearables where in, first query after login, table  was completely empty and now the serial is from 0 to 2 and wearables are gon
2018-05-17 00:38 <tx0h> e
2018-05-17 00:40 <BillBlight> since you just made this new, where did you get the wearables from, did you wear them from the included library?
2018-05-17 00:40 <tx0h>  yes, fresh install.. ruth from opensim library
2018-05-17 00:42 <BillBlight> did you copy the items to your inventory first or just wear them right from the library?
2018-05-17 00:42 <tx0h> i need to follow the Afatars data from read from dataabase to write (after login)
2018-05-17 00:43 <tx0h> no, it the standard procedure. i star opensim and it asks for the first user...
2018-05-17 00:43 <tx0h> start
2018-05-17 00:43 <BillBlight> and when you login you are a cloud?
2018-05-17 00:43 <tx0h> no
2018-05-17 00:44 <tx0h> but the wearables are not wirtten back to the table
2018-05-17 00:44 <BillBlight> so you logout and nothing is still in the table?
2018-05-17 00:44 <tx0h> just visible params, height and avatar type
2018-05-17 00:44 <tx0h> yes
2018-05-17 00:44 <tx0h> i login and the data went away
2018-05-17 00:45 <tx0h> but i look ok and in inventory, the right stuff is marked worn and linked in current outfit
2018-05-17 00:45 <tx0h> just not the wearbles 1..5 :0 inventoryID:assetID tuples
2018-05-17 00:46 <tx0h> just not the wearbles 1..5:0 inventoryID:assetID tuples in avatars table
2018-05-17 00:46 <tx0h> 0..5
2018-05-17 00:47 <tx0h> skin, eyes, shape, body, shirt and pants
2018-05-17 00:47 <tx0h> aeh, hair, not body
2018-05-17 00:51 <tx0h> but the mysql server is also a mariadb :-)
2018-05-17 00:51 <tx0h> on a different machine, but anyways
2018-05-17 00:52 <tx0h> i change it back to localhost
2018-05-17 00:57 <tx0h> any further hints on how to trace the data from database read to write them back to the database are welcome
2018-05-17 00:58 <tx0h> (no debugger on hand)
2018-05-17 00:59 <BillBlight> It has to be something with your setup, because while we were talking I setup a standalone on my windows pc, with mariadb, created new avatar , logged in and everything is still in the table after several logins
2018-05-17 01:00 <tx0h> i believe you :-)
2018-05-17 01:01 <tx0h> but my configuration is just basic and everything else seems ok.
2018-05-17 01:01 <tx0h> it's just this.
2018-05-17 01:03 <tx0h> oh, and i need to create the GrantUser table manually, when i connect to the localhost database, when i connect to a foreign database, the table gets created. another oddity
2018-05-17 01:04 <BillBlight> that could be the colation , 
2018-05-17 01:04 <BillBlight> but who knows at this point
2018-05-17 01:04 <BillBlight> you are using a very "Non-Standard" setup so who knows where the gremlins come from
2018-05-17 01:05 <tx0h> you should see how far i use it :-)
2018-05-17 01:05 <BillBlight> meh, I have 6 xeon servers, so , not interested in low power stuff 
2018-05-17 01:06 <BillBlight> But I used to develop Android ROMs for ARM and I said never again
2018-05-17 01:06 <tx0h> it's different business
2018-05-17 01:07 <BillBlight> So I'm out of ideas .. 
2018-05-17 01:07 <tx0h> i jiust need to trace the path of the data
2018-05-17 01:07 <tx0h> (said easy)
2018-05-17 01:08 <BillBlight> It is possible since it can't be replicated either on windows or other linux, that it is unique to your setup, and has nothing directly to do with opensimulator
2018-05-17 01:09 <BillBlight> could be a library issue, could be a mono issue, could be spoiled milk in the fridge, anything
2018-05-17 01:10 <tx0h> i tried the 4.6.2 mono from standard repository and now mono 5.10.1.47 self compiled stable from mono-project
2018-05-17 01:10 <BillBlight> as you said the GridUser Table got created when you connected to an external DB server, so there is obviously something on that box that it is not liking
2018-05-17 01:10 <BillBlight> 5.12 is current stable
2018-05-17 01:10 <tx0h> but on the other hand, the wearables gone on both databases
2018-05-17 01:11 <BillBlight> but the main code is still running on the box
2018-05-17 01:11 <tx0h> is it? shall i go and compile that now?
2018-05-17 01:11 <BillBlight> I'd do that, and compile the opensimulator code fresh
2018-05-17 01:11 <BillBlight> did you recompile after you updated mono?
2018-05-17 01:11 <tx0h> sure
2018-05-17 01:12 <BillBlight> I figured but had to ask
2018-05-17 01:16 <tx0h>  funny problem
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2018-05-17 16:48 <Ubit> ok summer temperatures my lapcraptop died for good :p
2018-05-17 16:48 <Ubit> my cat is happy..  sitting on it
2018-05-17 17:16 <tx0h> good evening
2018-05-17 17:16 <tx0h> i'm sorry about your laptop.
2018-05-17 17:17 <Ubit> well it was giving to me broken already
2018-05-17 17:17 <Ubit> i did managed to mk it work for some time intervals
2018-05-17 17:18 <tx0h> voodoo power?
2018-05-17 17:18 <Ubit> but seems suffering from several issues so i don't bother reopening it again
2018-05-17 17:20 <Ubit> i did heated the BGAs redoing reflow soldering, guess thats why it started working again for a while
2018-05-17 17:20 <Ubit> but has more issues elsewhere
2018-05-17 17:21 <Ubit> ( and re melting of bga balls is not a good fix anyway)
2018-05-17 17:21 <tx0h> nope
2018-05-17 17:21 <Ubit> if a issue happens a proper reballing is needed
2018-05-17 17:21 <Ubit> but.. forget :)
2018-05-17 17:22 <Ubit> that is not a cheap thing to do, and i do not have the tools
2018-05-17 17:22 <Ubit> and in most cases is cheaper to just buy a new chip
2018-05-17 17:25 <tx0h> but even then, i mean, i have a heat air blower for soldering smd, i can't manage to solder this balls below a chip
2018-05-17 17:25 <Ubit> i used that also
2018-05-17 17:25 <Ubit> takes a lot of time
2018-05-17 17:26 <Ubit> you need to heat the entire chip and board while proteting everything around
2018-05-17 17:26 <Ubit> i did desolder bgas also.. but a PAIN
2018-05-17 17:26 <tx0h> it's harder then brain surgery
2018-05-17 17:27 <tx0h> is there a way to tell xbuild, not to rebuild everything, when i just touched one file?
2018-05-17 17:27 <Ubit> well you can melt down any possible wiskers etc
2018-05-17 17:27 <Ubit> it does that
2018-05-17 17:27 <Ubit> just scans all checking
2018-05-17 17:28 <Ubit> it does not rebuild all really
2018-05-17 17:28 <tx0h> hmm.. ok, but because it's factory stuff, everything gets rebuild.
2018-05-17 17:30 <tx0h> i still hunt down my wearables..
2018-05-17 17:30 <tx0h> it has nothing todo with databases, thats clear now
2018-05-17 17:31 <Ubit> i did run a standalone just in case, and worked fine
2018-05-17 17:31 <Ubit> inc making a new user with model
2018-05-17 17:31 <Ubit> i did it just bc it is been a while since i did test standalones 
2018-05-17 17:31 <tx0h> i'm pretty close to it, i think.
2018-05-17 17:32 <Ubit> it whould be so easy in debug
2018-05-17 17:32 <Ubit> debugger i mean
2018-05-17 17:33 <Ubit> well you can add logs on critical points to check if they are there etc
2018-05-17 17:33 <tx0h> well, it's ok to print backtraces and loop via lists and dictionaries to print
2018-05-17 17:33 <tx0h> but it needs to xbuild everything over and over
2018-05-17 17:34 <Ubit> after all i do hate debuggers on tiny microcontrollers
2018-05-17 17:34 <Ubit> but on this.. vs one is damm nice
2018-05-17 17:41 <tx0h> the wearables get lost  OpenSim.Framework.AvatarAppearance.Unpack() and OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.Avatar.AvatarFactory.AvatarFactoryModule.SetAppearanceAssets()
2018-05-17 17:42 <tx0h> i just need to follow the data and yes, a debugger would be better. i have gdb but it works on mono, not the mono vm
2018-05-17 17:43 <tx0h> ...lost between
2018-05-17 21:18 <tx0h> argl. found the culprit. it's singularity, it send a AvatarIsNowWearing packet nonsense uuid's
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2018-05-17 22:46 <tx0h> yepp.. very odd. singularity sends bs packets
2018-05-17 22:50 <tx0h> now what? bulletproof opensim?
2018-05-17 22:51 <Ubit> singu alpha ?
2018-05-17 22:51 <tx0h> yes
2018-05-17 22:51 <Ubit> i stopped at 1.8.6
2018-05-17 22:52 <Ubit> after that they did break a lot of things :(
2018-05-17 22:52 <tx0h> well, if i just use it for upload meshes, it's ok. when i relog with another client, the wearables got wrote back
2018-05-17 22:53 <tx0h> the problem is, i can't compile it myself, because they depend on an old glib/gcc
2018-05-17 22:54 <Ubit> i can only compile alch, and only 64b release on win
2018-05-17 22:54 <tx0h> why am i doing this? why haven't i tried another client in first place?
2018-05-17 22:54 <Ubit> i used to be able to comp singu also but only 32b release if i remember
2018-05-17 22:54 <tx0h> stupid me
2018-05-17 22:55 <Ubit> use 1..8.6 for meshes
2018-05-17 22:55 <Ubit> bc viewers are diferent on that yes
2018-05-17 22:55 <tx0h> i guess i still have a very odd linden client hanging around here.. puppeteer. you can live-animate clients in-world.
2018-05-17 22:56 <Ubit> mb pre   meshes
2018-05-17 22:56 <tx0h> yes, pre meshes..
2018-05-17 22:57 <Ubit> so not usefull now
2018-05-17 22:57 <tx0h> oh, well.. i think it still could give some good kick for a opensim client..
2018-05-17 22:57 <tx0h> i mean, the feature itself
2018-05-17 22:58 <Ubit> that mb a bug at sl also
2018-05-17 22:58 <tx0h> no, was a feature they had in mind
2018-05-17 22:58 <Ubit> what ?
2018-05-17 22:59 <Ubit> ohh puppeteer?
2018-05-17 23:00 <tx0h> yes
2018-05-17 23:00 <Ubit> don't see its uses cases
2018-05-17 23:00 <tx0h> with some sensors on you body, you could easily animate your in-world avatar
2018-05-17 23:01 <tx0h> live-dance, create bvh files and so on
2018-05-17 23:01 <Ubit> i like to be inworld sitting conf at rl
2018-05-17 23:02 <Ubit> not breaking my furniture or bones
2018-05-17 23:02 <tx0h> kick the cat
2018-05-17 23:02 <Ubit> outch NOT THAT
2018-05-17 23:02 <Ubit> lol
2018-05-17 23:03 <Ubit> i do see n products using rl movements...
2018-05-17 23:03 <tx0h> fuck, i knew, it sends stupid wearing packages the whole time.
2018-05-17 23:03 <Ubit> so silly and so dangerus
2018-05-17 23:03 <tx0h> and this stupid bug costed so much time now
2018-05-17 23:03 <Ubit> bugs do that..
2018-05-17 23:03 <Ubit> i spent hours and hours on silly things
2018-05-17 23:04 <Ubit> and yes a few cases where viewer issues
2018-05-17 23:04 <tx0h> i also tried to get attention on this weeks ago on the singu irc channel
2018-05-17 23:04 <tx0h> but no one seems to pay attention
2018-05-17 23:04 <Ubit> good luck with that :)
2018-05-17 23:05 <tx0h> was better, as imprudence ppl where active
2018-05-17 23:05 <Ubit> on that alpha they did brek visual parameters
2018-05-17 23:05 <Ubit> i did fix them, gave them a patch..  refused :p
2018-05-17 23:06 <tx0h> ignorants
2018-05-17 23:06 <Ubit> but sienna saw it and applied it
2018-05-17 23:06 <tx0h> yepp
2018-05-17 23:06 <tx0h> but she also left, right?
2018-05-17 23:06 <Ubit> or lost at rl
2018-05-17 23:07 <tx0h> 
ACTION nods

2018-05-17 23:07 <tx0h> i will login my template avatars now with alchemy client and see, if create user with model param works as expected
2018-05-17 23:08 <tx0h> well, not now, but when i get up
2018-05-17 23:09 <Ubit> mb later in future that should be based on cof
2018-05-17 23:09 <tx0h> i first need to get my sim to httptests
2018-05-17 23:09 <Ubit> not sure still
2018-05-17 23:09 <tx0h> on cof?
2018-05-17 23:09 <Ubit> current outfit...
2018-05-17 23:09 <tx0h> ah
2018-05-17 23:10 <Ubit> viewers are using a mix now
2018-05-17 23:10 <tx0h> hmmm... would make more sense..
2018-05-17 23:10 <Ubit> the reason why we still seen those ones with broken wearables.. hmm well not sure
2018-05-17 23:10 <Ubit> out code is also ignoring physics bc reason
2018-05-17 23:10 <Ubit> and they do work
2018-05-17 23:11 <Ubit> avatar physics..
2018-05-17 23:11 <tx0h> i'm happy now. it's not the arm architecture, nor is it mariadb
2018-05-17 23:11 <Ubit> we need block 0.8 to full suport those on wearables
2018-05-17 23:11 <tx0h> httptests is at least as fast as master
2018-05-17 23:12 <tx0h> but i need to check cpu usage and memory as well
2018-05-17 23:12 <Ubit> well except on mapwar3d now :)
2018-05-17 23:12 <Ubit> that uses more of all
2018-05-17 23:13 <tx0h> you souldn't load all texures :-)
2018-05-17 23:13 <tx0h> i made a in-world cam, which makes snapshots for maptiles
2018-05-17 23:13 <Ubit> yeah thats the main dif
2018-05-17 23:14 <Ubit> also objects are per LOD not a blind size compare
2018-05-17 23:14 <tx0h> but it didn't work with 1024x1024
2018-05-17 23:14 <Ubit> also viewers to perspective view
2018-05-17 23:14 <Ubit> not nice for map
2018-05-17 23:14 <Ubit> do
2018-05-17 23:15 <tx0h> well, you can adjust all this with cam params but yes, it has some perspective
2018-05-17 23:15 <Ubit> and at more than 512m they break the image
2018-05-17 23:15 <Ubit> at least fs
2018-05-17 23:15 <Ubit> 512m camera z
2018-05-17 23:16 <tx0h> i made it for my old 256x256 as warp3mapper was the total horror
2018-05-17 23:16 <Ubit> well it still is.. spectrum image
2018-05-17 23:17 <Ubit> and on large regions terrain is rez scaled down to 256
2018-05-17 23:17 <Ubit> looking uglied
2018-05-17 23:17 <Ubit> i made it 1024m on my 1k region
2018-05-17 23:17 <Ubit> better
2018-05-17 23:17 <Ubit> but... well took AGES lol
2018-05-17 23:17 <tx0h> oh, one question: can i make mega-regions with 1024x1024 regions?
2018-05-17 23:18 <Ubit> 2M triangles are a bit 2 much
2018-05-17 23:18 <Ubit> we don't have mega regions
2018-05-17 23:19 <tx0h> well, i mean a smoother sim crossing..
2018-05-17 23:19 <Ubit> and no..  mega regions where pre var regions
2018-05-17 23:19 <tx0h> i mean var regions, i guess
2018-05-17 23:19 <Ubit> in fact their idea was to keep showing viewers standard regions
2018-05-17 23:19 <tx0h> can i make this with 1024x1024 regions?
2018-05-17 23:20 <Ubit> you have been at my test region
2018-05-17 23:20 <Ubit> didn't u noticed its a 1k region?
2018-05-17 23:20 <Ubit> :p
2018-05-17 23:20 <tx0h> yes, but didn't test anything
2018-05-17 23:20 <tx0h> yes, was a big as my regions, i have 9 of them
2018-05-17 23:21 <Ubit> my test set is a 1k region with a standone next to it, on same instance
2018-05-17 23:21 <Ubit> plus 2 standones also next, on the lapcraplinux
2018-05-17 23:21 <tx0h> which is gone now
2018-05-17 23:21 <Ubit> yeap
2018-05-17 23:21 <tx0h> you need a new old lapcrap
2018-05-17 23:22 <tx0h> or a little arm7
2018-05-17 23:22 <Ubit> this was a t3200 core duo with 4GB
2018-05-17 23:22 <Ubit> a bit better than arms still
2018-05-17 23:23 <tx0h> ah, is there a good lib of ubode vehicles?
2018-05-17 23:23 <tx0h> flight, ship and drive?
2018-05-17 23:24 <Ubit> no idea
2018-05-17 23:24 <tx0h> cmon!
2018-05-17 23:24 <Ubit> but those are heavy on a arm
2018-05-17 23:25 <Ubit> well depends a lot on the collion model
2018-05-17 23:25 <tx0h> i run 48 elevators on my sim :-)
2018-05-17 23:26 <Ubit> it should do sl scripts a bit better than bullet
2018-05-17 23:27 <tx0h> ok, i will check some when i find the time
2018-05-17 23:27 <tx0h> but in the end, i will run with simple llForce or so, i have a transportation system underground
2018-05-17 23:27 <Ubit> on mouse stearing.. use a good helmet
2018-05-17 23:29 <tx0h> how hard would it be, to connect the farest regions on the far ends together
2018-05-17 23:29 <Ubit> use object teleport
2018-05-17 23:30 <Ubit> for vehicles
2018-05-17 23:30 <Ubit> at least
2018-05-17 23:30 <tx0h> like map the regions on a sphere or so
2018-05-17 23:30 <Ubit> i already answered :p
2018-05-17 23:31 <tx0h> yes, but also 'see' the region
2018-05-17 23:31 <tx0h> i think, it's to much
2018-05-17 23:32 <Ubit> see is a option
2018-05-17 23:32 <Ubit> there are options for view range max
2018-05-17 23:32 <Ubit> but also for regions view range
2018-05-17 23:32 <Ubit> by default you only see first neibours
2018-05-17 23:32 <Ubit> ( assuming view range shows them )
2018-05-17 23:33 <tx0h> but when i look over the north edge of the combined regions, i like to see the south regions south edge
2018-05-17 23:33 <Ubit> region view range controls the regions where you get a child agent
2018-05-17 23:33 <Ubit> nonsense
2018-05-17 23:33 <Ubit> view must be limited
2018-05-17 23:33 <tx0h> must?
2018-05-17 23:33 <Ubit> yes must
2018-05-17 23:33 <Ubit> like LODs etc etc
2018-05-17 23:34 <Ubit> if you want torez regions in acceptable time and have acceptable viewer fps
2018-05-17 23:34 <tx0h> yepp, opensim must be flat
2018-05-17 23:35 <Ubit> no it can be curved.. but limited on distance :p
2018-05-17 23:35 <Ubit> you have limited vision at RL why do u want unlimited on VR ?? bahh
2018-05-17 23:36 <Ubit> and viewers show still have the old fog of war
2018-05-17 23:37 <tx0h> no, i just want a sperical world. don't need to see everything but i like to drive in one direction and arrive at the spot i started the drive.
2018-05-17 23:37 <Ubit> that has no relation with view
2018-05-17 23:37 <Ubit> and i already told you how to
2018-05-17 23:38 <Ubit> you know osobjectteleport  right?
2018-05-17 23:38 <tx0h> but with the teleport thing, i just drive on the region edge with water 
2018-05-17 23:39 <Ubit> i may merge it with avatars one day
2018-05-17 23:39 <tx0h> well, i could add another layer of outer regions for the effect
2018-05-17 23:39 <Ubit> ie unsitted ones
2018-05-17 23:40 <Ubit> add prims with object teleports
2018-05-17 23:40 <tx0h> object teleport is known, yes
2018-05-17 23:40 <Ubit> try that
2018-05-17 23:40 <tx0h> yes, i will
2018-05-17 23:41 <Ubit> does not work on unsited avas for now
2018-05-17 23:41 <tx0h> but first things first.. httptests switch, check if create user .. model work
2018-05-17 23:41 <tx0h> and so on
2018-05-17 23:41 <tx0h> it's ok for my transportation system.. it's just straigt
2018-05-17 23:42 <Ubit> i did consider adding more borders behavour
2018-05-17 23:42 <Ubit> mirror at the other side was one
2018-05-17 23:42 <Ubit> but thats on a single region
2018-05-17 23:43 <tx0h> yes, mirror is what i have in mind
2018-05-17 23:43 <Ubit> i did had that several times with bugs on crossing code lol
2018-05-17 23:43 <Ubit> typos on the simple math.. bahh
2018-05-17 23:44 <tx0h> yes, very funny things can happen
2018-05-17 23:44 <Ubit> testing  yeahh i did cross.. then err oops this is the same region at the other side :)
2018-05-17 23:44 <tx0h> yes
2018-05-17 23:44 <tx0h> and sometimes it auto-reverse direction
2018-05-17 23:45 <Ubit> thats easy to do
2018-05-17 23:45 <Ubit> but obj teleport does it also
2018-05-17 23:45 <Ubit> and from a region to other
2018-05-17 23:46 <Ubit> just it works better if you do have a child agent on it already 
2018-05-17 23:46 <Ubit> so 2 far.. is ugly
2018-05-17 23:46 <Ubit> and slower
2018-05-17 23:46 <tx0h> oh, it just happened without intention. i just speeded up, hit the outer sim border and the vehicle auto-reversed the direction
2018-05-17 23:46 <Ubit> ( it does most the work a tp does, without the black screen hidding the ugly things )
2018-05-17 23:47 <Ubit> uoode does some bouncing on edge if i remember
2018-05-17 23:47 <tx0h> very funny
2018-05-17 23:48 <Ubit> mb even v.x = -v.x  not sure
2018-05-17 23:48 <tx0h> i also need to find a good speed, which didn't shake to much
2018-05-17 23:49 <Ubit> viwers do mess up cameras
2018-05-17 23:49 <tx0h> the whole vehicle rotated
2018-05-17 23:49 <Ubit> that depends on v parameters
2018-05-17 23:49 <tx0h> oh, and i need to active cs scripts in httptests
2018-05-17 23:50 <Ubit> one tries to align root prim X with the velocity
2018-05-17 23:50 <Ubit> local x
2018-05-17 23:51 <tx0h> i guess you didn't tried to, right? csharp in-world scripts?
2018-05-17 23:51 <Ubit> i do not want csharp scripting
2018-05-17 23:51 <Ubit> that was a bad idea
2018-05-17 23:51 <tx0h> (i know, it's dangerous, but i need it for a sound installation)
2018-05-17 23:52 <Ubit> unless you do as other engines do and run a slave mono
2018-05-17 23:52 <tx0h> no, it's a good idea. i can use socket programming
2018-05-17 23:52 <Ubit> if you want features, make a region module
2018-05-17 23:53 <Ubit> scripting should be limited to a provided api. imo
2018-05-17 23:53 <Ubit> or its not even scripting :p
2018-05-17 23:54 <tx0h> limits are limiting
2018-05-17 23:54 <Ubit> its just dynamic region code
2018-05-17 23:54 <Ubit> no limits are what make things work
2018-05-17 23:55 <Ubit> view range is a example
2018-05-17 23:55 <tx0h> cs scripts are important for me. they are connected to soundfont2 synths
2018-05-17 23:56 <Ubit> well they are there
2018-05-17 23:56 <Ubit> i almost did remove them.. :P
2018-05-17 23:56 <tx0h> don't!
2018-05-17 23:56 <tx0h> dooooo
2018-05-17 23:56 <Ubit> but yeah i did remember very special use cases
2018-05-17 23:57 <tx0h> it's cultural heritage
2018-05-17 23:57 <tx0h> i made a inworld sequencer and other funny stuff
2018-05-17 23:57 <Ubit> some engines do have cs scripts
2018-05-17 23:57 <tx0h> with physics
2018-05-17 23:57 <Ubit> but as i said  have a embeded mono for those
2018-05-17 23:58 <Ubit> so similar result as lsl
2018-05-17 23:58 <Ubit> limited api etc
2018-05-17 23:58 <Ubit> just language is (almost) csharp
2018-05-17 23:58 <tx0h> i just need socket and the events
2018-05-17 23:58 <Ubit> so you can even debug their scripts on VS
2018-05-17 23:59 <Ubit> unity for example..
2018-05-17 23:59 <tx0h> 
ACTION don't like unity

2018-05-18 00:00 <tx0h> ok, bed time
2018-05-18 00:00 <tx0h> tomorrow i will switch to httptests
2018-05-18 00:00 <tx0h> i mean, later
2018-05-18 00:01 <Ubit> you know all out disclaimers right? :p
2018-05-18 00:01 <tx0h> thanks for your chat time
2018-05-18 00:01 <tx0h> sure
2018-05-18 00:01 <tx0h> but i hope i can ask silly questions from time to time
2018-05-18 00:02 <Ubit> sure..    plugh is always here to answer
2018-05-18 00:02 <Ubit> :)
2018-05-18 00:03 <tx0h> hehe, he fixed the warp3dmapper bug early in the morning
2018-05-18 00:03 <Ubit> what??
2018-05-18 00:03 <tx0h> i tried to start httpstests with the standard mapper but then warp3dmapper kicked in and freezed the sim
2018-05-18 00:04 <tx0h> the last commit fixed it
2018-05-18 00:04 <Ubit> on master or http tests?
2018-05-18 00:05 <tx0h> httptests
2018-05-18 00:05 <tx0h> Warp3D tried to do something in RegionLoaded even when the module was disabled
2018-05-18 00:06 <Ubit> that did nothing
2018-05-18 00:06 <tx0h> commit c7f3f3586db954ded2740e51331a312e2f7f7717
2018-05-18 00:07 <tx0h> yes, it crashed the sim
2018-05-18 00:07 <Ubit> its ok.. but did nothing but set a variable
2018-05-18 00:07 <tx0h> or in other words: i couldn't launch it
2018-05-18 00:07 <Ubit> cna't be that
2018-05-18 00:08 <tx0h> well.. it did. i set the mapper to warp3d and set it to never map and it launched
2018-05-18 00:08 <Ubit> no relation to that pathc
2018-05-18 00:08 <Ubit> patch
2018-05-18 00:09 <tx0h> sure, he added an if statement, he said
2018-05-18 00:09 <tx0h> anyway. i guess it helped
2018-05-18 00:09 <Ubit> not really
2018-05-18 00:10 <Ubit> its ok.. but no relation to yr issue
2018-05-18 00:10 <tx0h> i can test
2018-05-18 00:11 <Ubit> its ok per coerence, but non op
2018-05-18 00:11 <tx0h> yes, it boots now, i can switch to head~1
2018-05-18 00:12 <Ubit> and region should start.. and logins enabled..
2018-05-18 00:12 <Ubit> .. by next july or so..
2018-05-18 00:12 <tx0h> well.. i don't care. i'm tired now and need my bed
2018-05-18 00:13 <tx0h> cool
2018-05-18 00:13 <Ubit> you should actually test it
2018-05-18 00:13 <tx0h> i prefer warp3d maps
2018-05-18 00:13 <Ubit> jsut expect it to take a very long time
2018-05-18 00:13 <tx0h> what? generate warp3d map tiles?
2018-05-18 00:13 <Ubit> well assming it fits on memory
2018-05-18 00:13 <tx0h> i guess it will kill my little thingy
2018-05-18 00:14 <tx0h> but i will try, later this day
2018-05-18 00:14 <Ubit> since its still pics i may change warp3d to allow parcial rendering
2018-05-18 00:14 <Ubit> ie make land, render it to bitmap, deleted it..
2018-05-18 00:15 <Ubit> and similar per object batchs
2018-05-18 00:15 <tx0h> i still need a better terrain map without steps on diagonal gravels
2018-05-18 00:16 <Ubit> since screen bitmap and xbuffer keep what its needed
2018-05-18 00:16 <tx0h> and a sharper fall
2018-05-18 00:16 <Ubit> well new one will look uglier
2018-05-18 00:16 <Ubit> bc shows the textures seems and repeated patterns
2018-05-18 00:16 <tx0h> it's a matter of progress
2018-05-18 00:16 <Ubit> as you see looking down on viewers
2018-05-18 00:17 <Ubit> the brown terrain has it very visible
2018-05-18 00:17 <Ubit> the green one no so much
2018-05-18 00:17 <tx0h> you will make it nice, i'm sure
2018-05-18 00:17 <Ubit> can't
2018-05-18 00:17 <Ubit> but there is the option  to use colors only
2018-05-18 00:17 <Ubit> just... no detail
2018-05-18 00:17 <tx0h> with a bit of gausian blur
2018-05-18 00:18 <Ubit> yeack.. then you will get regions enabled in August :p
2018-05-18 00:18 <tx0h> lol
2018-05-18 00:18 <Ubit> this are shaders made in c# 
2018-05-18 00:18 <Ubit> not even C++ or sse
2018-05-18 00:19 <Ubit> and you do see that on those snapshot
2018-05-18 00:19 <Ubit> sl also
2018-05-18 00:20 <tx0h> i trust you, you will do the best, in given limits :-)
2018-05-18 00:20 <Ubit> just bc those tectures to not tile well 
2018-05-18 00:20 <Ubit> textures
2018-05-18 00:20 <Ubit> do
2018-05-18 00:20 <tx0h> yepp. i'm confident 
2018-05-18 00:21 <tx0h> you did alot during my off-time
2018-05-18 00:22 <tx0h> so, now i need a rest
2018-05-18 00:22 <tx0h> good night
2018-05-18 00:22 <Ubit> nn
2018-05-18 00:28 <Ubit> i could add UV mapping noise also
2018-05-18 00:28 <Ubit> but a pain 
2018-05-18 00:29 <Ubit> but that should reduce those things
2018-05-18 00:33 <Ubit> and more cpu load :)
2018-05-18 02:03 <Ubit> looking to the mb of my lapcraptop :)
2018-05-18 02:04 <Ubit> nothing looks toasted... damm
2018-05-18 04:51 <Ubit> my lapcraptop decided to work again
2018-05-18 04:51 <Ubit> removed the wifi, disconnected audio out, and touchpad..
2018-05-18 04:52 <Ubit> and skipped most the screws :)
2018-05-18 04:52 <Ubit> including the damm one i forgot inside it last time i closed
2018-05-18 04:54 <Ubit> yeack map really heavy on a core dual 2g
2018-05-18 04:55 <Ubit> dmm viewers, lost all my usernames and passwords with the win update
2018-05-18 05:51 <Aramis^> always have 1 screw left lol
2018-05-18 06:40 <Ubit> i wasn't talking about brain screws :p
2018-05-18 06:40 <Ubit> kidding ;)
2018-05-18 08:00 <tx0h> morning. hello ubit, generation a warp3d map now. i get some errors about 'Failed to decode mesh assetComponentAce.Compression.Libs.zlib.ZStreamException: inflating'
2018-05-18 08:00 <Ubit> yes that is a bug on libomv
2018-05-18 08:00 <Ubit> we have it fixed for ages on our decoders
2018-05-18 08:01 <tx0h> and i got a [WARNING]: EOC marker not found. Codestream is corrupted.
2018-05-18 08:01 <Ubit> i already did fix my local copy of libomv, will update sometime
2018-05-18 08:01 <tx0h> oh, i need to compile a new version?
2018-05-18 08:01 <Ubit> thats a texture i guess
2018-05-18 08:02 <Ubit> wel meshes will not show up as is
2018-05-18 08:02 <tx0h> i needed to get the libopenjpeg from libomv (32bit)
2018-05-18 08:02 <Ubit> or some
2018-05-18 08:02 <Ubit> is is there
2018-05-18 08:03 <Ubit> and by default another decoder is used
2018-05-18 08:03 <tx0h> it uses 860MB res now
2018-05-18 08:03 <tx0h> 080MB
2018-05-18 08:03 <tx0h> 980.. still climbing
2018-05-18 08:03 <tx0h> 1GB now
2018-05-18 08:03 <Ubit> yes peek mem usage is large
2018-05-18 08:04 <Ubit> see it is just like a viewer
2018-05-18 08:04 <tx0h> yes, i just like to let you know, because it's on a weak processor with low mem
2018-05-18 08:05 <tx0h> i don't count on a success but hey!
2018-05-18 08:05 <Ubit> one day i may add rez my batchs
2018-05-18 08:05 <Ubit> by
2018-05-18 08:06 <tx0h> afaics it uses just one cpu :-)
2018-05-18 08:06 <tx0h> 1.3GB
2018-05-18 08:06 <Ubit> yeap its single task
2018-05-18 08:06 <Ubit> that means it is faster :p
2018-05-18 08:07 <tx0h> shall i let the system swap or shall i break it up?
2018-05-18 08:08 <Ubit> you still have swap space :p
2018-05-18 08:08 <tx0h> oh
2018-05-18 08:08 <Ubit> i hope :p
2018-05-18 08:08 <tx0h> i guess its ready
2018-05-18 08:08 <tx0h> yes
2018-05-18 08:09 <tx0h> with about 1.8GB (of 2gb)
2018-05-18 08:09 <Ubit> did release it ?
2018-05-18 08:09 <tx0h> the other regions are empty
2018-05-18 08:09 <tx0h> yes
2018-05-18 08:09 <tx0h> a large fraction
2018-05-18 08:10 <tx0h> it's on 690MB now
2018-05-18 08:10 <Ubit> there are files MAP....png now
2018-05-18 08:10 <Ubit> with the image of each region
2018-05-18 08:10 <tx0h> [ubOde] start processing pending actor operations takes a long while
2018-05-18 08:11 <Ubit> errr multi regions per instance are in paralell will eat more memory even
2018-05-18 08:11 <tx0h> where are the files?
2018-05-18 08:11 <tx0h> in bin?
2018-05-18 08:11 <Ubit> err forget .. it does not
2018-05-18 08:11 <Ubit> yes in bin
2018-05-18 08:11 <Ubit> you can also run export-map on console
2018-05-18 08:12 <Ubit> even old map, its something to run ocasionaly only
2018-05-18 08:12 <Ubit> and use a static jpg from it
2018-05-18 08:12 <Ubit> all other time
2018-05-18 08:13 <Ubit> its just 2 heavy, no matter what we do
2018-05-18 08:13 <tx0h> http://pasteall.org/pic/f6aa469ab26c3a2b46a07df551ae691b
2018-05-18 08:13 <tx0h> here is the main region
2018-05-18 08:13 <Ubit> yes that good or bad?
2018-05-18 08:13 <Ubit> :)
2018-05-18 08:14 <Ubit> and how was it before =
2018-05-18 08:15 <tx0h> i luv it!
2018-05-18 08:15 <Ubit> see the green artifacts i spoke about?
2018-05-18 08:15 <tx0h> i refused to make a warp3d of it, but i think i tried once and wondered, what it's doing
2018-05-18 08:15 <tx0h> cmon
2018-05-18 08:15 <tx0h> it's a map!!!
2018-05-18 08:15 <Ubit> the texture has features that get repeated
2018-05-18 08:16 <Ubit> so that not nice effect
2018-05-18 08:16 <Ubit> but is what you see on viewers also looking down
2018-05-18 08:16 <Ubit> previus version did not show that
2018-05-18 08:17 <Ubit> bc incorrectly it used the texture for the entire map
2018-05-18 08:17 <Ubit> see ?
2018-05-18 08:17 <Ubit> so terrain details where spread all over the map
2018-05-18 08:17 <Ubit> not nice also
2018-05-18 08:17 <Ubit> specially the rock texture
2018-05-18 08:17 <tx0h> i really appreciate this! and now i can set map generation to false
2018-05-18 08:17 <tx0h> for a looong time
2018-05-18 08:18 <Ubit> that is kinda my idea
2018-05-18 08:18 <tx0h> when i'm ready with plants, i will rerun it
2018-05-18 08:18 <Ubit> make this a more usefull tool to create that map
2018-05-18 08:18 <tx0h> yepp
2018-05-18 08:18 <Ubit> linden trees are ignored :(
2018-05-18 08:19 <tx0h> so, the console command is for on demand map creation?
2018-05-18 08:19 <Ubit> there is a generate map 
2018-05-18 08:19 <Ubit> to create it
2018-05-18 08:19 <tx0h> there are not diverse enough to count in
2018-05-18 08:19 <Ubit> and a export map that shows the region and regions aroung
2018-05-18 08:20 <Ubit> acording to region view range
2018-05-18 08:20 <Ubit> it is fast test it
2018-05-18 08:20 <Ubit> export-map
2018-05-18 08:20 <Ubit> i also changed it
2018-05-18 08:21 <tx0h> oh, btw, create user with model works flawlessly  now
2018-05-18 08:21 <Ubit> damm singu alpha
2018-05-18 08:22 <Ubit> map image of terrain on large regions as low resolution :((
2018-05-18 08:22 <tx0h> i did. shall i upload it?
2018-05-18 08:22 <Ubit> code can make it better but man takes AGESSSS
2018-05-18 08:23 <tx0h> i wish, the minimap would take this
2018-05-18 08:23 <Ubit> it does lol
2018-05-18 08:23 <Ubit> login and see
2018-05-18 08:24 <Ubit> ( minimap has the option to use map image .. select it )
2018-05-18 08:24 <tx0h> http://pasteall.org/pic/fdb18e10a3a3ad53a51b6657be1f6532
2018-05-18 08:24 <tx0h> exportmap.jpg has a problem
2018-05-18 08:24 <Ubit> what ?
2018-05-18 08:24 <tx0h> don't take all neighbours
2018-05-18 08:25 <Ubit> i said its controled by region view
2018-05-18 08:25 <Ubit> and by default that is 255m
2018-05-18 08:25 <Ubit> ie first neib
2018-05-18 08:26 <Ubit> change it to 767 to see 3
2018-05-18 08:26 <Ubit> ( n * 256) -1
2018-05-18 08:27 <Ubit> -1 because reasons :p
2018-05-18 08:27 <tx0h> ah, ok
2018-05-18 08:27 <Ubit> but i may add options to export-map
2018-05-18 08:28 <Ubit> bc regions view controls child avatars and viewers login to nearby regions
2018-05-18 08:28 <tx0h> the minimap take the map as a basis and smears in ugly cyan the prims on it, with no shaders
2018-05-18 08:28 <Ubit> it should be using this map image now
2018-05-18 08:29 <Ubit> are you looking at it ?
2018-05-18 08:29 <tx0h> i know, i can change the color and even the alpha but i forgot in which file of the viewer.. i have to find it some time
2018-05-18 08:29 <Ubit> you can tell it to not show prims also
2018-05-18 08:29 <Ubit> ie those color coded things
2018-05-18 08:29 <tx0h> with alchemy?
2018-05-18 08:29 <Ubit> ( colors mean our prims.. other prims etc )
2018-05-18 08:30 <tx0h> i even don't find the land texture option
2018-05-18 08:30 <tx0h> yes
2018-05-18 08:30 <Ubit> all have identical options
2018-05-18 08:31 <Ubit> porperty lines causes crashs on some viewers
2018-05-18 08:31 <tx0h> there is a viewer file where you can set it, but a interface in the client would be perfect
2018-05-18 08:31 <Ubit> see it online
2018-05-18 08:31 <Ubit> play with the minimap options
2018-05-18 08:32 <Ubit> and also see map... it should be this new images now of course
2018-05-18 08:32 <tx0h> aah, ok
2018-05-18 08:32 <tx0h> thats new. 
2018-05-18 08:32 <tx0h> center region breaks it
2018-05-18 08:33 <Ubit> breaks what ?
2018-05-18 08:34 <tx0h> the mini map, it's completle distorted and fragmented
2018-05-18 08:34 <Ubit> alch bug i guess
2018-05-18 08:34 <tx0h> i will try firestorm, mom
2018-05-18 08:35 <Ubit> my lapcrap still working :)
2018-05-18 08:35 <tx0h> hehe
2018-05-18 08:35 <tx0h> old hardware will never die
2018-05-18 08:35 <Ubit> i dismounted it completly
2018-05-18 08:35 <Ubit> but seen no issue
2018-05-18 08:35 <Ubit> :(
2018-05-18 08:35 <Ubit> mounted again
2018-05-18 08:36 <Ubit> forget a lose screw inside LOL
2018-05-18 08:36 <Ubit> so dismounted again
2018-05-18 08:36 <Ubit> and removed the wifi, disconnected touchpad and audio related things
2018-05-18 08:37 <Ubit> and mounted with only 4 screws on corners
2018-05-18 08:37 <Ubit> leaving the MB more floating
2018-05-18 08:37 <tx0h> nice
2018-05-18 08:37 <tx0h> looks so good
2018-05-18 08:37 <tx0h> well done!
2018-05-18 08:37 <Ubit> ( the case is broken at a spot )
2018-05-18 08:38 <Ubit> well its still alive
2018-05-18 08:38 <Ubit> until my cat returns and the case opens :)
2018-05-18 08:38 <tx0h> oh, the notebook.. yes. sometimes screws are like bugs
2018-05-18 08:38 <Ubit> wlel have a pile of them there
2018-05-18 08:39 <tx0h> https://thenextweb.com/shareables/2013/09/18/the-very-first-computer-bug/
2018-05-18 08:39 <Ubit> i want this as static.. no need for all screws
2018-05-18 08:39 <Ubit> petty i can't run it uncased :p
2018-05-18 08:39 <tx0h> i remember i made a mobile from my apple 2
2018-05-18 08:41 <tx0h> with z80 card and 80 char card and stuff extended with wires from the slot
2018-05-18 08:41 <Ubit> :)
2018-05-18 08:41 <tx0h> was very nice
2018-05-18 08:42 <Ubit> ahh textures with planar mapping will be ugly
2018-05-18 08:42 <Ubit> hope they are all small :)
2018-05-18 08:43 <tx0h> cmon, it's a problem of the land textures
2018-05-18 08:43 <Ubit> but offset rotation and scale do work now
2018-05-18 08:43 <Ubit> duhh land do not have planar mapping
2018-05-18 08:43 <tx0h> i don't really know how to get seamless textures look nice from the distance
2018-05-18 08:44 <Ubit> its damm hard
2018-05-18 08:44 <tx0h> but they look ok from a ego perspective
2018-05-18 08:44 <Ubit> and all fail very far
2018-05-18 08:44 <tx0h> yepp
2018-05-18 08:44 <Ubit> like that green terrain
2018-05-18 08:44 <tx0h> even printed platic wood floors repeat themselved irl
2018-05-18 08:44 <Ubit> i did look a way to hide that
2018-05-18 08:45 <Ubit> but uff tonsof cpu :(
2018-05-18 08:45 <Ubit> i cna aply noise to terrain UV maps
2018-05-18 08:45 <Ubit> breaking the repetion
2018-05-18 08:45 <Ubit> or reducing
2018-05-18 08:45 <tx0h> i thik it's in it's nature, that they repeat themselves
2018-05-18 08:46 <Ubit> but the nice noise function is damm heavy
2018-05-18 08:47 <Ubit> well a predictable noise funtion :)
2018-05-18 08:47 <Ubit> but very standard on graphics
2018-05-18 08:47 <Ubit> brb
2018-05-18 08:48 <tx0h> :-)
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2018-05-19 00:40 <tx0h> i've set up ssl on httptests but which client is supporting it?
2018-05-19 00:58 <BillBlight> are you using a self signed cert?
2018-05-19 00:58 <tx0h> yes
2018-05-19 00:58 <BillBlight> then you need to go find the command line option for the client to not verify certs
2018-05-19 00:59 <BillBlight> try using letsencrypt/certbot
2018-05-19 00:59 <tx0h> well, i used the .ini settings for it
2018-05-19 00:59 <BillBlight> what
2018-05-19 00:59 <BillBlight> i'm confused
2018-05-19 01:00 <tx0h> NoVerifyCertChain = true and NoVerifyCertHostname = true
2018-05-19 01:00 <BillBlight> yes but that is server side
2018-05-19 01:00 <BillBlight> you have to do it on the client as well
2018-05-19 01:00 <tx0h> oh. but on which client?
2018-05-19 01:00 <BillBlight> that just does not verify for inter region communication
2018-05-19 01:01 <BillBlight> pretty sure they all have the command line option
2018-05-19 01:01 <BillBlight> I used firestorm
2018-05-19 01:01 <BillBlight> but your best bet is use a real cert , not a self signed
2018-05-19 01:02 <tx0h> do i need to setup the ssl server port in the client (eg 9001)?
2018-05-19 01:02 <BillBlight> yes
2018-05-19 01:03 <tx0h> so, shall i change the PublicPort from 9000 to 9001 or?
2018-05-19 01:04 <BillBlight> It depends on how you have it setup , it can run on both ports http and https
2018-05-19 01:04 <BillBlight> that is why there is a separate https port setting
2018-05-19 01:05 <tx0h> ok, i investigate the client side so
2018-05-19 01:05 <BillBlight> https_main = True
2018-05-19 01:05 <BillBlight> will make the main public port be https
2018-05-19 01:05 <BillBlight> this will cause the simulator to ONLY run on https
2018-05-19 01:06 <tx0h> somehow i don't like letsencrypt. can't really say why? maybe because openca never got this hype and support
2018-05-19 01:07 <BillBlight> well you are just making it harder on yourself
2018-05-19 01:08 <tx0h> https_main seem to be a hidden option
2018-05-19 01:13 <tx0h> ok, lets see
2018-05-19 01:15 <tx0h> so, the normal setup is, to support both. right?
2018-05-19 01:16 <tx0h> but this would make it less secure
2018-05-19 01:16 <BillBlight> for both it would be something like
2018-05-19 01:16 <BillBlight> https_main = False
2018-05-19 01:16 <BillBlight> 	port = 8002
2018-05-19 01:16 <BillBlight> 	https_port = 8013
2018-05-19 01:16 <BillBlight>     https_listener = True
2018-05-19 01:19 <tx0h> in the clients app_settings there is a combined CA.pem, isn't it sufficient to add my cacert.pem to it?
2018-05-19 01:20 <BillBlight> you can try it, but I'm telling you they don't like self signed certs
2018-05-19 01:21 <tx0h> no, they don't like unknown issuers, thats why they have the CA.pem, to get the issuer known
2018-05-19 01:21 <tx0h> i guess
2018-05-19 01:25 <tx0h> i added https://tinkerland.icf.de:9001/ to the grids (alchemy) but it still uses http to communicate to port 9001
2018-05-19 01:32 <tx0h> it retrieves the welcome page url etc. via https, but then it tries to login via http on port 9000
2018-05-19 01:34 <tx0h> and i thought, alchemy would be the clever client, because it always moans because of insecure logins
2018-05-19 01:47 <tx0h> it's very confusing, like HomeURI, should this point to the https port ?
2018-05-19 02:18 <tx0h> but it's working
2018-05-19 02:20 <tx0h> adding cacert.pem to app_settings/CA.pem is enough, no --no-verify-ssl-cert is needed
2018-05-19 02:30 <tx0h> how can i speed up '[ubOde] start processing pending actor operations'?
2018-05-19 02:31 <tx0h> for testing configurations i should switch back to 'normal' ode settings, i think
2018-05-19 02:31 <BillBlight> get a faster cpu, because that takes about 3 seconds on my servers
2018-05-19 02:33 <tx0h> :-(
2018-05-19 02:35 <tx0h> but anyways, i can connect via ssl now. no moaning with alchemy anymore
2018-05-19 02:37 <tx0h> thanks BillBlight 
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2018-05-20 09:11 <jsync> Good morning.
2018-05-20 09:13 <jsync> I was thinking about various little indiscretions & necessities about the viewer. I had the thought of a 2 phase viewer project, with a rehashed viewer for OpenSim that enabled & fixed various features for OpenSim functionality, & then the 2nd phase of a stripped down basic viewer with plugins & modules that can be implemented for particular features.
2018-05-20 10:19 <Tampa> Good luck
2018-05-20 15:15 <misterblue> jsync: what would be base of the first phase of your viewer?
2018-05-20 17:12 <tx0h> tampa's comments are very encouraging.
2018-05-20 22:31 <jsync> misterblue, I'm thinking to simply modify firestorm so that there are TimeZone settings & other features that the OpenSim developers might want. I'd like to simply recompile the viewer so that it's basic firestorm with a Module & Plugin feature that lists the modules & plugins & allows for enabled/disabled modules & plugins. 
2018-05-20 23:23 <jsync> The name "lsGetWindLightScene" does not exist within the current context?
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2018-05-20 23:33 <jsync> (Derr. Lowercase "l" within "Windlight". E(8 )
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2018-05-24 00:29 <Vincent> Hello anyone home?
2018-05-24 00:34 <Guest53818> Hello  need a bit of help with something.  It's only been 4 hours.  smiles
2018-05-24 00:39 <Plugh> Only four hours? :)
2018-05-24 00:40 <Plugh> With IRC you just ask your question and wait patiently for a response. 
2018-05-24 00:51 <Guest53818> Hi sorry for the delay.  Actually I have been on both the Dev and end user for 6 hrs and nothing.   It is probably a simple issue but something I have never encountered after placing a server online
2018-05-24 00:52 <Guest53818> I placed a server online that places a region in the Sacrarium grid area.  and everyone is able to go to my region except for me I can TP there from another region or even at login.
2018-05-24 00:53 <BillBlight> Sounds like a loopback issue on your router
2018-05-24 00:54 <Guest53818> I have opened ports DMZ removed firewalls and even tried a different port .  InternalAddress = 127.0.0.1 or the IP of the router 192.x.x.x and even 0.0.0.0
2018-05-24 00:55 <Guest53818> Yes that is the only thing I could find but I have no idea how to correct that in win 10.   At this time I am using win 10 for now linux later
2018-05-24 00:55 <BillBlight> well if it is your router, you can't really fix it from the PC, you need a router that plays well with loopback
2018-05-24 00:56 <Guest53818> Great  so I have to purchase a new router then ?
2018-05-24 00:56 <BillBlight> and 0.0.0.0 or the actual ip of your PC is what should be ont he internal address
2018-05-24 00:57 <BillBlight> yes, I'd do some research on routers that support loopback
2018-05-24 00:57 <Guest53818> http://prntscr.com/jlukar
2018-05-24 00:57 <BillBlight> not supporting loopback is a common issue
2018-05-24 00:59 <BillBlight> you could try installing dd-wrt on it, replace the factory firmware
2018-05-24 00:59 <BillBlight> that router is supported
2018-05-24 00:59 <BillBlight> https://www.dd-wrt.com/site/support/router-database
2018-05-24 00:59 <BillBlight> just put in the model number
2018-05-24 01:00 <BillBlight> attempting DD-WRT could brick your router if you fail to do it correctly
2018-05-24 01:01 <Guest53818> Well I had ddwrt on another belkin same model and it ran fine then it overheated and Poof
2018-05-24 01:02 <Guest53818> For now I rather not DD-WRT that router
2018-05-24 01:02 <BillBlight> make sure dd-wrt is not overclocking your router, if you do it
2018-05-24 01:02 <BillBlight> if it overclocks it can burn it up
2018-05-24 01:02 <Guest53818> yeah  I thing that is what did it in.
2018-05-24 01:02 <Guest53818> think^
2018-05-24 01:03 <BillBlight> but your issue sounds just like a loopback issue
2018-05-24 01:03 <Guest53818> So apparently there is no way around connecting to my regin then unless I find a dualband router that does loopback.
2018-05-24 01:03 <BillBlight> yep
2018-05-24 01:03 <BillBlight> that is correct
2018-05-24 01:04 <Guest53818> not worth putting out another 200 US for a OS project.   Wel lso much for that
2018-05-24 01:06 <Guest53818> Almost the same issue that most are having with SL   The switched to HTTP get from UDP and they are finding that many older routers can't handle HTTP get for the textures and assets.
2018-05-24 01:06 <BillBlight> not sure what you are spending 200 on but you need a router that supports loopback, or a cheap PC with dual nic cards and install something like ipfire
2018-05-24 01:07 <BillBlight> then you have a linux based firewall
2018-05-24 01:07 <Guest53818> Any recomendations for a router ?
2018-05-24 01:08 <BillBlight> well, not off the top of my head, I never really worry about it, I just check if they are DD-wrt compatible, LOL
2018-05-24 01:08 <BillBlight> I never leave stock firmware on anymore
2018-05-24 01:09 <BillBlight> but I run a 1u server , intel atom with IPfire, so kind of out of the router game for a while, have not kept up on it
2018-05-24 01:09 <Aramis^> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/NAT_Loopback_Routers
2018-05-24 01:09 <BillBlight> Thanks Aramis^, was just gonna go look for that
2018-05-24 01:10 <BillBlight> list is not really updated, but it is a start
2018-05-24 01:10 <Aramis^> np trying to remember which ones of mine worked... I know my last Belkin didn't
2018-05-24 01:10 <BillBlight> Linksys WRT 1900ACv2 worked for me, but I then switched it to dd-wrt
2018-05-24 01:11 <BillBlight> can't guarantee they have not broken it in newer firmware versions
2018-05-24 01:11 <Aramis^> I did make a dd-wrt from a linksys g, but never tested it here
2018-05-24 01:12 <BillBlight> pretty much if it runs DD-WRT you are not going to have a loopback issue
2018-05-24 01:12 <BillBlight> a lot of the asus routers run their own OS based on dd-wrt
2018-05-24 01:13 <BillBlight> this is just one of them https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/RTN66R/
2018-05-24 01:14 <Guest53818> I'll poke around the net to see if I can find a router with DD-WRT.  Again probabaly in the 150-250 range for a dual band routher
2018-05-24 01:14 <Aramis^> I should have tried that, I had just upgraded all the cables and switch to gigabit, then found out the Belkin was blocking opensim and half-life server so grabbed a recertified ASUS N, but it's only 10/100
2018-05-24 01:14 <Guest53818> router^
2018-05-24 01:15 <Aramis^> make that ASUS ac, was only like $24 on newegg
2018-05-24 01:15 <Guest53818> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320292&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Network+-+Wireless+Routers-_-N82E16833320292&gclid=CjwKCAjwopTYBRAzEiwAnU4kb6ePHZmauAYIaz4Aeq8wqaGLfv-uK9P8RLQj_VDSya3RA7Ev5Z1uFxoCAuwQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
2018-05-24 01:16 <Guest53818> Ahh all the info so far here is great  thanks all.   I will do some digging
2018-05-24 01:17 <Aramis^> same thing withthat one:  WAN Ports1 x 10/100M WAN; 4 x 10/100M LAN
2018-05-24 01:18 <Guest53818> Well for me that probably would be fast enough on the ports
2018-05-24 01:19 <Aramis^> right
2018-05-24 01:19 <Aramis^> I was just pissed cause I had just finished upgrading everything to 1000 lol but I'm using it anyway
2018-05-24 14:22 <osmantis> Bug #7306:04 [USER MANAGEMENT MODULE]: GetServerURLs call failed System.Net.WebException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7306 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-05-24 14:50 <osmantis> Bug #7306:04 [USER MANAGEMENT MODULE]: GetServerURLs call failed System.Net.WebException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7306 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2018-05-25 23:35 <Tampa> Anyone encountered any issues with npc sit on prims lately? Testing xmr and I cannot seem to get more than 2 to sit on the same object anymore.
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2018-05-26 18:02 <Ubit> and not one, but 3 lol
2018-05-26 18:04 <Ubit> blame bill  he did not compile them :p
2018-05-26 18:06 <Ubit> the stuck is on all newer mono versions
2018-05-26 18:06 <Ubit> since a 4.x.x  
2018-05-26 18:06 <Ubit> some threads in some conditions refuse to die
2018-05-26 18:07 <Ubit> or code forgets to kill them and stays waiting.. something like that
2018-05-26 18:08 <Ubit> well never tested on recent mono5
2018-05-26 18:08 <Ubit> guess ms will fix that, bc works ok on win
2018-05-26 18:09 <Plugh> I had an old mono on the machine. I'm rebuilding with 5.2 now and will see what happens.
2018-05-26 18:09 <Ubit> background threads have no right to hold app exit, they do on mono
2018-05-26 18:09 <Tampa> 5.4.1.7 works well in my testing
2018-05-26 18:09 <Ubit> well i did made changes to work around that..
2018-05-26 18:10 <Plugh> Oh. 5.4 is available? I'll have to plan to make that version available. :P
2018-05-26 18:10 <Ubit> cntr-c will stuch
2018-05-26 18:10 <Ubit> and stuck
2018-05-26 18:12 <Tampa> 5.10 is available too, but I have not had good results with it, went back to 5.4 which seems to work better, not sure what's going on there yet will need to do more testing eventually
2018-05-26 18:13 <Plugh> ok, good to know.
2018-05-26 18:14 <Ubit> yr so outdated :p
2018-05-26 18:14 <Ubit> stable is not 5.12
2018-05-26 18:15 <Ubit> NOW NOW NOW  not not grrr
2018-05-26 18:15 <Plugh> :)
2018-05-26 18:15 <Ubit> in case of mono 5 that has more meaning
2018-05-26 18:16 <Ubit> bc seems ms is updating it full steam.. so bugs happen
2018-05-26 18:16 <Plugh> Mono must really be using the "release early, release often" philosophy based on how fast the numbers are climbing.
2018-05-26 18:16 <Ubit> think ms is rewriting it
2018-05-26 18:16 <Ubit> so they have only one source
2018-05-26 18:17 <Ubit> well the main framework and the new Core one
2018-05-26 18:17 <Ubit> that is 4.7.3 and Core something
2018-05-26 18:17 <Ubit> oops
2018-05-26 18:18 <Ubit> that is 4.7.2 and Core something
2018-05-26 18:18 <Ubit> httpt did compile now tampa ?
2018-05-26 18:20 <Ubit> well it did on my slowww  lapCrapTop
2018-05-26 18:21 <Ubit> yeap map now does take time :(
2018-05-26 18:21 <Ubit> and a bit of cpu :p
2018-05-26 18:22 <Ubit> like 100% of it lol
2018-05-26 18:22 <Ubit> ( on a core duo )
2018-05-26 18:53 <osmantis> Bug #8324:04 delete-region command blocks and does not do anything useful 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8324 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-05-26 18:55 <osmantis> Bug #8324:04 delete-region command blocks and does not do anything useful 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8324 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-05-26 18:59 <osmantis> Bug #8324:04 delete-region command blocks and does not do anything useful 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8324 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-05-26 20:22 <Tampa> Aye, it compiled, three warnings, no errors duh :D
2018-05-26 20:22 <Tampa> Now to test it
2018-05-26 20:40 <Tampa> Still cannot get more than 2 npcs to sit on a prim
2018-05-26 20:40 <Ubit> thats something else
2018-05-26 20:41 <Ubit> check the face textures plz
2018-05-26 20:42 <Ubit> later if u want u can test the sit on a prim withouf scripts and no sittargets at all
2018-05-26 20:44 <Tampa> Ah okay so, when I set it from alpha blending to None, the texture disappears
2018-05-26 20:44 <Ubit> thats other thing 
2018-05-26 20:44 <Ubit> just test setting normal
2018-05-26 20:45 <Tampa> via ossl dynamic texture I cannot set it
2018-05-26 20:45 <Tampa> face 6 works, but not face 7
2018-05-26 20:46 <Ubit> you spoke about viewer
2018-05-26 20:48 <Tampa> Setting texture via viewer works when it auto-selects Alpha Blending, when I set it to None, the texture goes blank
2018-05-26 20:48 <Tampa> ossl dynamic textures do not work at all
2018-05-26 20:49 <Tampa> odd thing is face 6 works fine, just face 7 is this way
2018-05-26 20:51 <Ubit> the prim is a box with cut and hollow?
2018-05-26 20:57 <Tampa> hollow and cut so it looks like U shape
2018-05-26 21:23 <Tampa> So about that npc sitting thing, is that a config setting or?
2018-05-26 21:29 <BillBlight> let me see if I understand what you are Doing Tampa, box, hollow (round) cut so it looks like a U, and you are saying the inside of the U is face 7 ?  or do I have that wrong, on my viewer face 7 is not the inside of the U
2018-05-26 21:29 <BillBlight> also are You using osSetDynamicTextureDataFace for osSetDynamicTextureData
2018-05-26 21:32 <Tampa> Face 7 is one of the faces resulting from the cut, the top of the U end, that face I cannot manually set a texture nor use dynamic texture for
2018-05-26 21:32 <Tampa> All other faces work fine
2018-05-26 21:32 <BillBlight> I shall send you a screenshot
2018-05-26 21:33 <BillBlight> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ztlkbntgn0duggv/fortampa.jpg?dl=0
2018-05-26 21:33 <BillBlight> osSetDynamicTextureDataFace("", "vector", CommandList, "width:512,height:512", 0, 7);
2018-05-26 21:34 <Tampa> Yup, that's not working using the latest httptests
2018-05-26 21:34 <BillBlight> that is what I am on
2018-05-26 21:34 <BillBlight> for that sim
2018-05-26 21:35 <Ubit> funny that cilinder has 7 faces??
2018-05-26 21:35 <BillBlight> rolling back to my fork now to test on my fork
2018-05-26 21:35 <Ubit> i count 6, im missing something ?
2018-05-26 21:35 <BillBlight> It's a box not a cylinder
2018-05-26 21:36 <BillBlight> 7 with the hollow
2018-05-26 21:36 <Ubit> round hollow ok
2018-05-26 21:36 <BillBlight> yes
2018-05-26 21:36 <Ubit> 8 then
2018-05-26 21:36 <BillBlight> oh yeah 8
2018-05-26 21:37 <BillBlight> total
2018-05-26 21:37 <Tampa> What I see is that a texture that has alpha, meaning it auto selects alpha blending, if I set that to None the texture goes black. On any other face if I do the same the texture simply stays the same and loses its transparent parts.
2018-05-26 21:37 <BillBlight> math is hard
2018-05-26 21:37 <BillBlight> I'm not seeing that at all, what viewer?
2018-05-26 21:37 <Ubit> no math not hard, i just have trouble to see the fingers then the pic then fingers, to count :p
2018-05-26 21:38 <Tampa> Firestorm
2018-05-26 21:41 <Ubit> funny buf on warp3d.dll lol
2018-05-26 21:41 <Ubit> and bug
2018-05-26 21:41 <Ubit> dmam my bug lol
2018-05-26 21:47 <Ubit> how are you testing the alpha blend?
2018-05-26 21:48 <Tampa> I select texture, the mode goes to alpha blending, then I select None and the texture goes blank
2018-05-26 21:49 <Ubit> mb thats how its suposed
2018-05-26 21:49 <Ubit> or not ?
2018-05-26 21:51 <Tampa> When a texture has alpha that alpha should go to white when set to None, but only for the parts that are transparent, not the entire texture
2018-05-26 21:52 <Tampa> Bill made a script using the same function and it works just fine, but the one I use does not, but the commands are identical
2018-05-26 21:54 <Tampa> What's more, if I change to face 6 it sets the dynamic texture just fine, but on face 7 it fails, I cannot event llSetTexture on face 7
2018-05-26 22:05 <Tampa> Okay, so Bill made a prim and on that prim it works fine... then I selected Full Bright and now that prim is broken too
2018-05-26 22:05 <Tampa> Could this be the material changes from recently?
2018-05-26 22:05 <Ubit> what is exactly the prim type ?
2018-05-26 22:06 <Tampa> It's a box
2018-05-26 22:06 <Tampa> 64 hollow 0.375 and 0.875 cut
2018-05-26 22:06 <Ubit> with cut and hollow ?
2018-05-26 22:08 <Tampa> I disabled Full Bright, reset the textures to the default plywood one and put the script in it again, now it once again works
2018-05-26 22:08 <Tampa> This to me looks like an issue with Full Bright, but I am not sure
2018-05-26 22:09 <BillBlight> ok something in your script is not even creating the texture data correctly, fixing it
2018-05-26 22:09 <BillBlight> it is working btw
2018-05-26 22:09 <BillBlight> or my fixed is
2018-05-26 22:10 <Ubit> your fix? hmm a kind of contradiction on that
2018-05-26 22:10 <Ubit> :p
2018-05-26 22:11 <Tampa> What's weird there is this works perfectly on an older binary that is based on httptests without any edits to this part of the script engine
2018-05-26 22:13 <Ubit> funny fs fails to set 7 on fisrt try
2018-05-26 22:13 <Tampa> None of the behavior I am seeing makes any sense I am so confused :(
2018-05-26 22:14 <Ubit> all confused is yr normal state
2018-05-26 22:14 <Ubit> 
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2018-05-26 22:14 <Ubit> :)
2018-05-26 22:14 <Tampa> Well not all the time, but often
2018-05-26 22:15 <Ubit> err how im getting on a region that is not running ??
2018-05-26 22:15 <Ubit> now im the one confused
2018-05-26 22:16 <Ubit> ahh i did not save the regions.ini lol
2018-05-26 22:17 <Ubit> brb
2018-05-26 22:30 <Vinny> Hello,  Anyone here with experience setting up NAT Loopback within DD-WRT.  Been at it for 7 hrs and also in the other IRC without any replys for 2 days.
2018-05-26 22:35 <Ubit> what hell
2018-05-26 22:36 <Ubit> singu now crash for me
2018-05-26 22:36 <Vinny> ??
2018-05-26 22:42 <Ubit> singu also crashs going sl damm
2018-05-26 22:42 <Ubit> mb it was last win10 upgrade
2018-05-26 22:43 <Vinny> Yes it is due to the latest Win 10 updates
2018-05-26 22:43 <Ubit> ok testing with comp mode tp win7
2018-05-26 22:44 <Ubit> ok that fixed it
2018-05-26 22:44 <Vinny> Try Firestorm latest version
2018-05-26 22:44 <Ubit> yes but this singu 1.8.6 is a sanity check
2018-05-26 22:44 <Ubit> bc all have issues
2018-05-26 22:45 <Ubit> but setting compatibiluty mode to win7 seems to fix it
2018-05-26 22:45 <Vinny> Try the 64bit OS version if your windows is 64bit.  That version seems to be ok with UDP get even though it is set for HTTP get for textures and inventory
2018-05-26 22:45 <Ubit> yes its the 65b version but 1.8.6  recent singu ones are kinda brokne
2018-05-26 22:45 <Ubit> oops
2018-05-26 22:46 <Ubit> 64b :)
2018-05-26 22:46 <Vinny> Have tiu installed the Singu alpha?
2018-05-26 22:46 <Vinny> Have you^
2018-05-26 22:46 <Ubit> i just said that has issues :)
2018-05-26 22:46 <Ubit> and 1.8.6 is working again fine, telling win to run it as win7
2018-05-26 22:46 <Vinny> Then If you try to se bento on an older version you are out of luck
2018-05-26 22:47 <Ubit> damm map did crash lol
2018-05-26 22:49 <Vinny> I have been using 64bit OS Firestorm without any issues here.   You have to make sure it is a FULL Clean install no left over from older versions.  Then when you log in make sure you bandwidth is at 500 nothing more.  Start with lowest setting in graffics
2018-05-26 22:51 <Vinny> Now if your computer is old and the video card is old it may not run due to driver issues.  Singu Alpha should run, but not sure it has OS
2018-05-26 22:51 <Ubit> thx
2018-05-26 22:52 <Ubit> ok map also crahs at sl, for some odd reason
2018-05-26 22:53 <Vinny> Now let me see if anyone here is familiar with NAT Loopback in DD-WRT so I can get my region access
2018-05-26 22:53 <Ubit> some routers don't do it
2018-05-26 22:54 <Vinny> Ubit  Go to speedtest.net and let me know what your up/down speds are also your ping
2018-05-26 22:54 <Vinny> This router is suposed to do it with DD-WRT installed
2018-05-26 22:56 <Vinny> Been Goggleing for 2 hours now and nothing relating to NAT Loopback and opensim
2018-05-26 22:57 <BillBlight> try opensimulator
2018-05-26 22:57 <BillBlight> not opensim
2018-05-26 22:57 <Vinny> Ubit what is your up/down speed and ping?
2018-05-26 22:57 <BillBlight> https://www.google.com/search?q=nat+loopback+opensimulator&oq=nat+loopback+opensimulator&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60.6351j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
2018-05-26 22:58 <Vinny> Yep  been there too and I am totally lost setting this up.
2018-05-26 22:58 <Vinny> I even went as far as puttting DD-WRT max on this router Still can't connect to my own region.
2018-05-26 22:59 <Vinny> Also running Win 10 not Linux
2018-05-26 23:00 <Ubit> did you set the fw ports ?
2018-05-26 23:00 <BillBlight> you need to forward both TCP and UDP ports
2018-05-26 23:01 <Vinny> I spent 7 hours at this and tried all suggestions that I could find.  I need specfic to this DDWRT 
2018-05-26 23:02 <Vinny> http://prntscr.com/jn1ink
2018-05-26 23:02 <BillBlight> haha
2018-05-26 23:02 <BillBlight> ok ..
2018-05-26 23:02 <Vinny> That is what I see for port forwarding .  Most all the information looks different then this firmware
2018-05-26 23:03 <BillBlight> what port is defined in your opensim ini
2018-05-26 23:03 <Vinny> 9000
2018-05-26 23:03 <Vinny> Ohhh 
2018-05-26 23:03 <Vinny> Hang on in the opensim.ini
2018-05-26 23:03 <BillBlight> most likely they are both 9000 if this is a standalone
2018-05-26 23:04 <Ubit> https://forum.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=89353 ?
2018-05-26 23:04 <Vinny> That was pre set by Sacrarium.  He sent me a zip file
2018-05-26 23:05 <BillBlight> name the application, Opensim1, protocal is both, source net leave blank if it will let you , or put 0.0.0.0 port from 9000 ipaddress is the local ip of your pc
2018-05-26 23:05 <Vinny> Yep  been there done that with that config in the admin command area
2018-05-26 23:05 <Tampa> Setup opensim.ini to 9000, in regions ini set to 9001, include the external hostname aka your external ip in that, setup ports open 9000 tcp and udp to your local machine aka internal ip address, same for port 9001, then it should work
2018-05-26 23:05 <BillBlight> you can have the region on 9000 as well
2018-05-26 23:05 <BillBlight> don't bother making it 9001
2018-05-26 23:06 <BillBlight> instance is HTTP, region is UDP so they can share the same port
2018-05-26 23:06 <BillBlight> umm TCP not http
2018-05-26 23:07 <Tampa> true, I just like it that way, either way you need to make sure to have the correct external hostname set and the ports forwarded to the internal ip of the machine within the network, thats usually 192.168.x.x while external hostnames are like 35.44.122.120 or so
2018-05-26 23:07 <Vinny> Not sure I can do that in the preset ini he sent me .  The access goes via his setup http://sacrarium24.ru:8002/
2018-05-26 23:07 <Tampa> the external hostname setting is in the regions.ini
2018-05-26 23:08 <BillBlight> what he sent you has nothing to do with YOUR local port numbers
2018-05-26 23:08 <BillBlight> look int he [Network] section of the opensim.ini
2018-05-26 23:08 <Vinny> Tampa  right on the otherside of the bridge from you.  Pinellas
2018-05-26 23:09 <BillBlight> external host name in your region ini is your external IP address
2018-05-26 23:09 <Vinny> Ok   well the region does run fine everyone can get there but me.   Hang on let me open that ini up
2018-05-26 23:10 <BillBlight> did you turn on DMZ by chance?
2018-05-26 23:10 <Tampa> This is such a common thing "everyone can get there but me" someone really ought to write a wiki article on that
2018-05-26 23:11 <BillBlight> the problem is it can be a million things, could even be windows fireall is allowing external connections but not internal ones
2018-05-26 23:11 <Vinny> http://prntscr.com/jn1lpk
2018-05-26 23:12 <Vinny> I have the firewall off on the computer and even on my lappy. 
2018-05-26 23:12 <BillBlight> sorry but I'm laughing at the hidden ip
2018-05-26 23:12 <Ubit> damm alch also fails to set face 7 tex on first try
2018-05-26 23:13 <Vinny> Yeah  I am a bit foil hat here since I got hit with a SQL attack some time back
2018-05-26 23:13 <BillBlight> 216.186.249.17
2018-05-26 23:13 <BillBlight> hehe
2018-05-26 23:13 <BillBlight> anybody here can see your ip
2018-05-26 23:13 <Vinny> Yeah  that covered it well huh   lol
2018-05-26 23:13 <Vinny> I forgot about the IRC
2018-05-26 23:14 <Vinny>    lol
2018-05-26 23:14 <Vinny> hahahahaha
2018-05-26 23:14 <BillBlight> Sorry, it just struck me funny
2018-05-26 23:14 <Vinny> That's ok  after I sent that I said to myself why did I do that.
2018-05-26 23:15 <BillBlight> is your region running right now
2018-05-26 23:16 <Vinny> Let me post this opensim ini up on pasteall    No not at the moment  let me run it up now
2018-05-26 23:17 <BillBlight> got http://216.186.249.17:9000 see if you get a web page
2018-05-26 23:17 <BillBlight> I do from the outside
2018-05-26 23:17 <Vinny> Nope no web page except an oops
2018-05-26 23:18 <BillBlight> well that is it
2018-05-26 23:18 <BillBlight> if it gave page not found that would be an issue
2018-05-26 23:18 <BillBlight> "The page you requested has been obsconded with by knomes. Find hippos quick!"
2018-05-26 23:18 <Vinny> Yep
2018-05-26 23:18 <BillBlight> if that is what you got, your problem is not loopback
2018-05-26 23:18 <BillBlight> if it was a loopback issue you could not get there
2018-05-26 23:19 <Vinny> Really  all the symptoms points to loopbck
2018-05-26 23:20 <BillBlight> Check your software firewalls and antivirus, sometimes they see a hairpin connection as an attack
2018-05-26 23:20 <BillBlight> turn off windows firewall , completely
2018-05-26 23:20 <Vinny> Everyone can goto the region except for any of th eother computers on my network including the server
2018-05-26 23:20 <BillBlight> kill your antiviurs
2018-05-26 23:20 <BillBlight> right but it is not your router, or you could not get to the webpage, because your router has to loopback to present you that page
2018-05-26 23:21 <Vinny> All that is off to  I am naked to the net on this comp and the server.  Let me check that again
2018-05-26 23:22 <Vinny> Here is the link to the pastall of the opensim.ini    http://pasteall.org/975453
2018-05-26 23:23 <Vinny> I have actually been at this for a week now.
2018-05-26 23:25 <BillBlight> what ports do you have forwarded in your router, or did you just turn on DMZ?
2018-05-26 23:26 <Vinny> I tried 9000-9005  and no go so I DMZed the ip
2018-05-26 23:26 <BillBlight> You need to forward the ports, DMZ does not always work for Internal>out>internal connections
2018-05-26 23:26 <BillBlight> ahhh ha
2018-05-26 23:26 <BillBlight> You need to forward the ports, to your internal IP, for the source IP put 0.0.0.0
2018-05-26 23:27 <BillBlight> what is your internal IP?
2018-05-26 23:27 <Vinny> 192.168.2.100
2018-05-26 23:29 <Vinny> http://prntscr.com/jn1r4g
2018-05-26 23:29 <BillBlight> so in the port forwarding, apllication = "whatever you want to call it", Source Net = 0.0.0.0, Port From = 9000, IP Address = 192.168.2.100, Port to = 9000, enable check box yes.
2018-05-26 23:30 <Vinny> ok lets see what happens
2018-05-26 23:30 <Vinny> http://prntscr.com/jn1ro2
2018-05-26 23:31 <BillBlight> you need to save and apply
2018-05-26 23:31 <BillBlight> save does not apply
2018-05-26 23:31 <BillBlight> if you only save it will not get applied till you restart the router
2018-05-26 23:31 <Vinny> Yep  Applied it
2018-05-26 23:31 <BillBlight> if you don't also save, it will only be temp till you reboot
2018-05-26 23:31 <BillBlight> so you need to do both
2018-05-26 23:32 <Vinny> did both
2018-05-26 23:35 <Vinny> Thank You!.  Ok I must have been missing something in that setting.  Finally  
2018-05-26 23:36 <Vinny> So apparently I had to place DD-WRT on this router or that forwarding would have not worked on thi sBelkin
2018-05-26 23:36 <BillBlight> yes the belkin firmware does not allow loopback
2018-05-26 23:37 <Vinny> Now I noticed that the map is showing other regions locations that I was testing, they are not on line or in the ini anymore.  when does thes maps refresh.
2018-05-26 23:39 <BillBlight> when the person running the grid removes them
2018-05-26 23:40 <Vinny> I shut these down hours ago and they are still showing up so I can't place anything there.   http://prntscr.com/jn1u65
2018-05-26 23:40 <BillBlight> no you can place things there
2018-05-26 23:40 <Vinny> Ahh ok  so it is not an automatic thing.
2018-05-26 23:40 <BillBlight> just because the map tile shows up , does not mean the sim is still registered
2018-05-26 23:40 <BillBlight> but if the sim is not up but still registered you need to send a request to the server admin to clear them
2018-05-26 23:41 <Vinny> It says that there is something there if I place the three extra ini`s 
2018-05-26 23:41 <Vinny> Ahh Yepp ok  That is somethig he has to do since they seem stuck there
2018-05-26 23:41 <BillBlight> then if they really are your regions, you must have changed the UUID's of the regions, so you will have to get the admin to remove tham
2018-05-26 23:41 <BillBlight> them
2018-05-26 23:42 <Vinny> Yepp I think that is prbably what happened since UUIDs changed on each test
2018-05-26 23:42 <BillBlight> remember you can rename even with the same UUID's , so on a connected grid like this, unless you are married to a region , try using the same uuid's so things like that don't happen ..
2018-05-26 23:44 <Vinny> I had the system generate the regions and I backed up the region.ini for them, but it was a bit too late since they were already stuck.
2018-05-26 23:44 <Vinny> I'll wait untill he is online and see if he can clear them out
2018-05-26 23:45 <Tampa> It probably did not de-register the regions correctly
2018-05-26 23:45 <Tampa> If you kill the process instead of using the shutdown command that will happen
2018-05-26 23:45 <BillBlight> yes you always want to do a shutdown, not a just close the window
2018-05-26 23:46 <Vinny> Yeah  windoz 10 killed me on two of them crashed out so they did not quit properly
2018-05-26 23:50 <Vinny> Thanks again Bill you have been a great help.  
2018-05-26 23:51 <BillBlight> np ..
2018-05-26 23:52 <Vinny> Also thanks to the other folks and my neighbor Tampa.     Guessing he is my neighbor.   smiles
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2018-05-27 00:56 <Ubit> try this now tampa
2018-05-27 00:57 <Ubit> bill fall off his chair with excitement
2018-05-27 01:06 <Tampa> gimme a bit to build this :)
2018-05-27 01:07 <Ubit> yeah i was 2 clever on removing faces removed by cuts
2018-05-27 01:08 <Ubit> to save a few lines of code
2018-05-27 01:08 <Ubit> well or not clever at all :p
2018-05-27 01:10 <Ubit> damm i miss singu 1.8.6 :(
2018-05-27 01:10 <Ubit> was a nice sanity check :(
2018-05-27 01:11 <Tampa> Jenkins so slow gah
2018-05-27 01:12 <Ubit> why do u run it all the time?
2018-05-27 01:13 <Ubit> the tests etc
2018-05-27 01:16 <Tampa> It does not run any tests at all, just slow to build, not really sure why, it just got slow, may need to clean it out at some point who knows
2018-05-27 02:30 <Tampa> Built and deployed, restarting simulator
2018-05-27 02:35 <Tampa> Ubit, from the looks of it that indeed solved the issue
2018-05-27 02:36 <Ubit> good
2018-05-27 02:36 <Tampa> Yay :D Now to figure out why them npcs won't sit down heh
2018-05-27 02:37 <Ubit> try making one of the npc a sexy girl and the others guys :p
2018-05-27 02:37 <Tampa> lol
2018-05-27 02:38 <Tampa> The annoying thing is I have no error, the function silently fails, no console error either, completely in the dark
2018-05-27 02:38 <Tampa> I think its a config issue though since it works on other grids
2018-05-27 02:38 <BillBlight> are you trying to get multiple npc's sit without a sit target script on a single prim?
2018-05-27 02:39 <Tampa> It sets a new sittarget for every new npc it spawns
2018-05-27 02:39 <Tampa> Just after two, it stops working
2018-05-27 02:39 <BillBlight> what is it?
2018-05-27 02:39 <BillBlight> parmour line dance floor?
2018-05-27 02:39 <Tampa> aye
2018-05-27 02:39 <BillBlight> I already fixed it
2018-05-27 02:39 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-05-27 02:39 <BillBlight> I have a working version
2018-05-27 02:40 <BillBlight> the problem is , the sit target is getting defined in the root prim, but the floor they are being told to sit on is not the root prim
2018-05-27 02:40 <Tampa> What was broken with it?
2018-05-27 02:40 <BillBlight> it is the invisible box above it
2018-05-27 02:41 <Tampa> Makes sense, but I took this straight from OSG and it was working there, direct take-copy
2018-05-27 02:41 <BillBlight> just define a generic sit target in the floor, drop the script in it, 
2018-05-27 02:41 <BillBlight> OSG is not running http tests or ubODE
2018-05-27 02:42 <BillBlight> I bet
2018-05-27 02:42 <BillBlight> you should be able to remove the script after the sit target is defined
2018-05-27 02:42 <BillBlight> and tell the npc's in the main script to sit on the named prim, pretty sure that is all I had to do
2018-05-27 02:42 <BillBlight> I'll look in a bit
2018-05-27 02:42 <BillBlight> I remember it took me about 2 minutes to fix it
2018-05-27 02:43 <Tampa> That would explain why it may have worked there and not here, probably did not carry the sittarget definition over HG
2018-05-27 02:43 <BillBlight> bullet does not need that definition I don't think
2018-05-27 02:43 <BillBlight> only ubODE
2018-05-27 02:43 <BillBlight> but you might be right
2018-05-27 02:44 <BillBlight> because of the "Sit anywhere correctly" in ubODE I think is what throws it off
2018-05-27 02:44 <BillBlight> that surface already has an avatar on it
2018-05-27 02:44 <BillBlight> and the engine knows it
2018-05-27 02:45 <BillBlight> but once you define a sit target the "sit anywwhere" is overridden ... 
2018-05-27 02:45 <BillBlight> Aine was complainging about it
2018-05-27 02:45 <BillBlight> someone brought it to me, so I fixed it
2018-05-27 02:46 <BillBlight> Also still works fine in bullet
2018-05-27 02:47 <Ubit> worng
2018-05-27 02:47 <Ubit> and wrong
2018-05-27 02:47 <Ubit> sitted avatars have no physics
2018-05-27 02:47 <BillBlight> you can say wrong till you turn blue, but the behavior says otherwise
2018-05-27 02:47 <BillBlight> we are not talking about physics
2018-05-27 02:47 <BillBlight> we are talking about sit targets
2018-05-27 02:48 <BillBlight> for non moving dance floor
2018-05-27 02:48 <Tampa> I tried dropping sittarget in the floor prim, still same behavior, must've done more than that, but this gives me an idea
2018-05-27 02:49 <BillBlight> there is one other thing you need to change in the main script
2018-05-27 02:49 <BillBlight> I forget
2018-05-27 02:49 <BillBlight> just dropped a copy on you
2018-05-27 02:49 <Ubit> ubode is physics assisted sits
2018-05-27 02:50 <BillBlight> right and you can't get more than two avatars on a single prim without a sit target
2018-05-27 02:50 <BillBlight> just does not happen
2018-05-27 02:50 <Ubit> wrong
2018-05-27 02:50 <BillBlight> prove it
2018-05-27 02:50 <BillBlight> lol
2018-05-27 02:50 <Ubit> i only have one avatar :p
2018-05-27 02:50 <BillBlight> I can bring a dozen
2018-05-27 02:50 <Ubit> well have more, but you don't see them :)
2018-05-27 02:50 <Ubit> just test ther
2018-05-27 02:51 <Ubit> set a prim without any sittarget
2018-05-27 02:51 <Ubit> and sit
2018-05-27 02:51 <BillBlight> yep
2018-05-27 02:51 <BillBlight> then try and sit two more avatars
2018-05-27 02:51 <BillBlight> or in this case NPC's
2018-05-27 02:51 <Ubit> total of?
2018-05-27 02:52 <BillBlight> sometimes 12
2018-05-27 02:52 <BillBlight> or more
2018-05-27 02:52 <Ubit> i do not have 12 avatars :p
2018-05-27 02:54 <Tampa> Ah okay yeah I see the difference, interesting and good to know. Been meaning to rewrite the script for proper runtime permissions instead of ossl force animation anyways clean up some code n stuff
2018-05-27 02:54 <BillBlight> well seems it is working again for avatars, but not for NPC's which is even more strange
2018-05-27 02:55 <Ubit> ok 3 avas stinng on a box
2018-05-27 02:55 <BillBlight> so ok you were half wrong, or half right, take your  pick
2018-05-27 02:55 <BillBlight> yeah like I just said, tested with avatars, and npc's the third npc would not sit
2018-05-27 02:56 <BillBlight> but avatars work
2018-05-27 02:56 <Ubit> ok 4 sitted on a box
2018-05-27 02:57 <Ubit> and can add more and more
2018-05-27 02:57 <Ubit> ubode has nothing to do with it
2018-05-27 02:57 <Ubit> sittargets may
2018-05-27 02:57 <BillBlight> ok but it still works in Bullet
2018-05-27 02:57 <Ubit> what is the npc sit command?
2018-05-27 02:58 <BillBlight> osNpcSit
2018-05-27 02:58 <BillBlight> osNpcSit(key npc, key target, integer options)
2018-05-27 02:58 <Ubit> just the name  to find it on code :)
2018-05-27 02:59 <Tampa> 75 npcs so far all sitting pretty and dancing around heh
2018-05-27 03:02 <BillBlight> oh and the problem may be that the thing they are being told to sit on is a child prim
2018-05-27 03:05 <Ubit> shape type none will not work either
2018-05-27 03:06 <Ubit> hte npc gets this warning There is no suitable surface to sit on, try another spot. :p
2018-05-27 03:06 <Ubit> phantom will fail silently also
2018-05-27 03:08 <Ubit> er no phantom wil fall back to old crap sits
2018-05-27 03:09 <Tampa> Yeah a script error of sorts for the failed sit and why would be nice
2018-05-27 03:09 <Tampa> Though I suppose more a missing documentation thing really
2018-05-27 03:09 <Ubit> npc sits just do normal avatar sits
2018-05-27 03:09 <Ubit> no error back
2018-05-27 03:10 <Ubit> the only dif i see is that normal sits do provide a sit offset
2018-05-27 03:10 <Ubit> while npcs will just pile up on same spot
2018-05-27 03:11 <Ubit> ( without sittarge )
2018-05-27 03:12 <Ubit> hmm what is the definition bullet does not have??
2018-05-27 03:14 <BillBlight> ok this is strange tested it , and it seems to be hit and miss ...
2018-05-27 03:14 <Ubit> hmm ?
2018-05-27 03:14 <BillBlight> sometimes the npc will not sit, other times it will, so I think maybe it is a combination of the positioning in that line dance script and just normal opensim weirdness ..
2018-05-27 03:15 <BillBlight> if they fail to sit, I try to sit them again and they sit
2018-05-27 03:15 <BillBlight> most of the time
2018-05-27 03:15 <Ubit> well physics does use rays from the avatar to the sittarget
2018-05-27 03:15 <Ubit> ( rays that do only see physical objs )
2018-05-27 03:15 <BillBlight> but that script never retried sitting them so the npc would just stand there
2018-05-27 03:16 <Ubit> unlike sittarget of course
2018-05-27 03:16 <Tampa> I added a function to it that would while loop until the npc sat down... that just ran away so... not sure what that is
2018-05-27 03:17 <Ubit> physics help requires line of sight to sit posiion 
2018-05-27 03:17 <Ubit> what mess are u doing ? lol
2018-05-27 03:17 <BillBlight> would other avatars block the ray?
2018-05-27 03:17 <Ubit> standing ones possible
2018-05-27 03:18 <Ubit> well actually not sure i do avoid that issue
2018-05-27 03:18 <Ubit> i just rmemember there are rays lol
2018-05-27 03:18 <BillBlight> well regardless, my "fix" for that dancefloor works
2018-05-27 03:18 <Tampa> I just sat 250 npcs down on this thing, removed them all, then tried again, third one failed as before
2018-05-27 03:18 <Tampa> This makes no sense
2018-05-27 03:19 <Ubit> what had u break for that? :p
2018-05-27 03:19 <Tampa> Spawned 10, they all sat down
2018-05-27 03:19 <BillBlight> well umm you had 250 NPC's you just deleted bet the region is not happy
2018-05-27 03:19 <Ubit> are u using scripted sittargets ?
2018-05-27 03:20 <Tampa> Region is fine, no red on console usage as low as it should be
2018-05-27 03:20 <Ubit> are you giving that script time to set a new sittarget?
2018-05-27 03:20 <Tampa> Really odd
2018-05-27 03:20 <Tampa> Though your version does seem more reliable
2018-05-27 03:20 <Ubit> what is the dif in code of that version ?
2018-05-27 03:21 <BillBlight> I just did 50 deleted and did 50 more and they all worked fine
2018-05-27 03:21 <BillBlight> 250 is a tad bit insane
2018-05-27 03:21 <Ubit> you must have a big sit prim :p
2018-05-27 03:22 <BillBlight> http://prntscr.com/jn3e2d
2018-05-27 03:22 <Ubit> and no answers to my questions
2018-05-27 03:22 <Ubit> ok no prob :p
2018-05-27 03:24 <Tampa> He is sitting them down on the child prim, in the other version its the root prim I guess
2018-05-27 03:24 <Ubit> actually a part with sittaget can only have on sited ava
2018-05-27 03:24 <BillBlight> yes main diff is it gets the link key of the child for the target
2018-05-27 03:25 <BillBlight> umm look at that picture
2018-05-27 03:25 <BillBlight> there are over 50 on there
2018-05-27 03:25 <BillBlight> it has a sit target
2018-05-27 03:27 <Tampa> After the second npc they are no longer links?
2018-05-27 03:28 <Tampa> So I made this function to go through the linkset and look for sitting npcs, it finds the first two, but not any further ones
2018-05-27 03:28 <BillBlight> well they are definatley seated because you can walk right through them
2018-05-27 03:28 <Tampa> Either numberofprims does not increase the more you sit down or they no longer report their uuids correctly
2018-05-27 11:46 <osmantis> Bug #8324:04 delete-region command blocks and does not do anything useful 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8324 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-05-27 11:47 <osmantis> Bug #8324:04 delete-region command blocks and does not do anything useful 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8324 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-05-27 12:32 <osmantis> Bug #8325:04 EventQueueGet requests from the client /CAPS/EQG are answered with "Bad Gateway" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8325 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-05-27 13:54 <osmantis> Bug #8326:04 mysql errors during backup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8326 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-05-27 14:07 <osmantis> Bug #8324:04 delete-region command blocks and does not do anything useful 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8324 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-05-27 14:11 <osmantis> Bug #8325:04 EventQueueGet requests from the client /CAPS/EQG are answered with "Bad Gateway" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8325 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-05-27 16:26 <osmantis> Bug #8325:04 EventQueueGet requests from the client /CAPS/EQG are answered with "Bad Gateway" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8325 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-05-27 18:10 <osmantis> Bug #8326:04 mysql errors during backup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8326 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2018-05-27 19:44 <Bill_Blight> I find it quite funny, that peoople don't know how the HG actually works, and they think that having access to your IP, UUID, UserName and a connection to your Inventory is a NEW thing, just because it is being highlighted by the GDPR ..
2018-05-27 21:39 <osmantis> Bug #8325:04 EventQueueGet requests from the client /CAPS/EQG are answered with "Bad Gateway" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8325 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-05-27 21:47 <osmantis> Bug #8324:04 delete-region command blocks and does not do anything useful 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8324 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-05-27 21:49 <Ubit> well that is not HG, its all web :p
2018-05-27 21:50 <Ubit> and they don't even know the all information browers send when conecting to web site
2018-05-27 21:50 <Ubit> whatever
2018-05-27 21:51 <Bill_Blight> exactly
2018-05-27 21:51 <Ubit> guess issue is not really GDPR, but how all players decided to do what they wanted without any concerns about privacy etc etc
2018-05-27 21:52 <Bill_Blight> but regardless, I'd rather be a little up front about it, than get bitten later, I still fail to see how providing a litte context is being seen as such a bad thing ..
2018-05-27 21:52 <Ubit> (i mean browsers designers etc etc )
2018-05-27 21:52 <Ubit> of course as soon as a gov decides to move, it does it 2 hard :)
2018-05-27 21:53 <Ubit> EU commission even worse :)
2018-05-27 21:54 <Ubit> on other hand some part of privacy rights is e new thing
2018-05-27 21:55 <Ubit> no gov did ever tolerate that
2018-05-27 21:55 <Ubit> messages encriptation is a case.. that was just plain forbidden
2018-05-27 21:55 <Ubit> well whatever
2018-05-27 21:56 <Bill_Blight> actually the GDPR does not force encryption , they state reasonable security
2018-05-27 21:56 <Bill_Blight> they suggest encryption
2018-05-27 21:56 <Ubit> yes and on personal data
2018-05-27 21:57 <Ubit> just mb a bit over on what they define as personal
2018-05-27 21:57 <Bill_Blight> well on what they call "sensitive data" and usernames and chat are not considered that, health and financial information is .
2018-05-27 21:58 <Ubit> mb a pain, but a honest and needed atempt to put some other on the jungle
2018-05-27 21:58 <Ubit> some order
2018-05-27 21:58 <Bill_Blight> I'm just totally confused by resistence to the simple parts of it, I put up that auth, which takes two clicks, even Ubit can do it ..
2018-05-27 21:59 <Ubit> yes..  was very hard to do, but eventually i did the 2 clicks
2018-05-27 21:59 <Bill_Blight> If you are so petty or lazy you can't visit a link and click a yes , then , to be honest, forget my grid exists on the HG ..
2018-05-27 21:59 <Ubit> btw not sure that is needed
2018-05-27 21:59 <Bill_Blight> you are right
2018-05-27 22:00 <Bill_Blight> it may not be
2018-05-27 22:00 <Bill_Blight> but I'd rather have it than get bit later
2018-05-27 22:00 <Ubit> yeap
2018-05-27 22:00 <Bill_Blight> besides it will weed out the lazy and petty people ..
2018-05-27 22:00 <Ubit> brb
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2018-05-29 02:36 <Bill_Blight> I just found out that there are people who actually pay for land on osgrid???  WOW
2018-05-29 02:36 <Bill_Blight> Nothing against OSGrid, just never would have thought that ..
2018-05-29 02:38 <smxy> Yeah. People who can't host thier own region, I think.
2018-05-29 02:39 <Bill_Blight> I mean I can understand server rentals, i guess
2018-05-29 02:40 <Bill_Blight> I guess I just assumed that using osgrid services to sell land would be against the TOS, they are using the OSGRID asset servers and user management and renting regions ... Again, i'm cool with it, just never concieved of it before ..
2018-05-29 03:23 <Tampa> I think I'd rather have someone connect regions professionally hosted than out of their garage lol
2018-05-29 03:27 <Plugh> 877777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777754
2018-05-29 03:34 <Plugh> Ignore that. My cat was walking across the keyboard. :)
2018-05-29 03:43 <OtakuMegane> Kitty
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2018-05-29 11:18 <osmantis> Bug #8327:04 Typo in debug messages in FlotsamAssetCache.cs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8327 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-05-29 18:28 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid. Late reminder as I only just got home.
2018-06-09 19:47 <Ubit_> hmm i had some other thing i wanted to change this weekend.. but don't remmber lol
2018-06-09 19:50 <Ubit_> hmm that RequestURL thing.. hmmm still not sure i want to add it :(
2018-06-09 19:51 <Ubit_> did i comment anything else with anyone? LOL
2018-06-09 19:53 <Ubit_> ohh that LaNani great lock improvement.. hmmm where was it...
2018-06-09 19:57 <Ubit_> nopes not really.. changing that is just removing its original purpose
2018-06-09 19:59 <Ubit_> hmm i feel kinda strange...
2018-06-09 19:59 <Ubit_> Ahhh
2018-06-09 19:59 <Ubit> better
2018-06-09 20:00 <Ubit> but odd talking to so many ghosts :p
2018-06-09 20:00 <Ubit> my cats at least talk back :p
2018-06-09 20:19 <nosaj> Is there any way a Prim_Type_Liquid could be implemented?
2018-06-09 20:19 <Ubit> thats viewer side 
2018-06-09 20:20 <Ubit> but guess limited use
2018-06-09 20:20 <nosaj> Like, a blob that takes the form of its' container?
2018-06-09 20:20 <Ubit> and not that easy
2018-06-09 20:21 <Ubit> some engines provide a water type that is just a circular or square surface
2018-06-09 20:21 <Ubit> that can have special shaders even do some 3d water
2018-06-09 20:21 <nosaj> Maybe a variable density, so it might leak out of its' container?
2018-06-09 20:21 <Ubit> but proper liquid.. forget
2018-06-09 20:21 <Ubit> 2 heavy
2018-06-09 20:22 <nosaj> Maybe I can implement something arbitrarily titled "Liquid" for the time.
2018-06-09 20:22 <Ubit> 2 heavy
2018-06-09 20:23 <nosaj> Do other things with it maybe, like make it change scale if evaporated or drank.
2018-06-09 20:23 <nosaj> Cool start maybe.
2018-06-09 20:24 <Ubit> that water thing is a lot well relative to that, easier
2018-06-09 20:24 <Ubit> but even many games only use one that is like sl water
2018-06-09 20:24 <Ubit> but you can place it anywhere
2018-06-09 20:25 <Ubit> if you play unity games, guess you will see the same oceans now
2018-06-09 20:25 <Ubit> using the best model they provide
2018-06-09 20:25 <Ubit> ( subnautica for example )
2018-06-09 20:44 <nosaj> What would be cool for a visual effect is to make a cylinder set to Prim_Type_Liquid rotate in its' container & then alter shape at center_top of prim, according to rotation of its' container.
2018-06-09 20:45 <nosaj> If container tilts (*lifts cup to mouth*), the prim alters in shape like it's about to spill out.
2018-06-09 21:06 <Tampa> You could try and do that using a particle maybe
2018-06-09 21:06 <Tampa> What you are suggesting though would likely need viewer-side edits though
2018-06-09 22:23 <nosaj> & who is working on Odor.odr file storage & expression?
2018-06-09 22:23 <nosaj> 😃
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2018-06-09 22:24 <nosaj> I want my Grid development to par for the big upload & integration movement.
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2018-06-10 21:47 <nosaj> According to the programmed date of reckoning of 01-01-1970, the Region Server calculates the Region date a "single time" (just once upon initial startup of the grid region), though year_length values variably can be changed in OpenSimDefaults.ini & would effect region date calculation.
2018-06-10 21:49 <nosaj> So, implementing a [GridCalendarService] that's variably utilized could be helpful within a consideration of coding Grid Time, Region Time, & Viewer Time settings.
2018-06-10 21:52 <nosaj> Suggestion is: the OpenStorm Viewer is coded to reflect Viewer Time Zone setting & when clicked, opens a window that reflects Viewer Time Zone, Grid Time Zone, Region Time Zone, & Grid or Region specific Calendar.
2018-06-10 22:00 <nosaj> According to Opensim default values, each region is within the Calendar year 2262.
2018-06-10 22:09 <nosaj> Thus, within Second life, the OpenStorm Viewer would reflect Viewer Time Zone setting, PST for Grid Time Zone, & Region Time of consideration the passage of # of hours since 12:00am, 01-01-1970 up to time proportionately reflected in 6 passing days in each 24 hour period.
2018-06-10 22:12 <nosaj> That could be coded for the viewer to retrieve that data out of region CalendarModule.cs calculation, though might have null result if querying Second life region & Grid servers, because time & date of reckoning in Second life is based upon the lore of lazy programmers.
2018-06-10 22:15 <Tampa> okay...
2018-06-10 22:16 <nosaj> On the other hand, Opensim [GridCalendarService] could (& should) include various historical Calendar setting options for configuring utilized Grid Calendar, with inclusion of 10 Month Greek Calendar, Egyptian Calendar, Oriental Calendar, Julian Calendar, or Mayan Calendar setting & configuration options.
2018-06-10 22:17 <nosaj> (Just because.) 😁
2018-06-10 22:21 <nosaj> I'm thinking to code OpenStorm so that, if Grid Calendar query has null result, to show melted clock & silly face image (to appropriately condescend).😜
2018-06-10 22:23 <nosaj> Opensim Calendar calculations are probably coded more technically calculable & real than Second life lore is suggested to consider.
2018-06-10 22:31 <BillBlight> The reason being for the 1970 cut off date is Unix time, also known as POSIX or EPOCH time, it is a truly system agnostic date system used in almost every computer system in the world.  Attempting to work around how systems actually work is not going to get you very far.
2018-06-10 22:33 <nosaj> It seemed implied that 1970 was the date suggested as date of reckoning in the consideration of 6 day cycles within a 24 hour period within SL.
2018-06-10 22:35 <BillBlight> no
2018-06-10 22:35 <BillBlight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time
2018-06-10 22:36 <nosaj> In the OpenSim source files, it's suggested that 1970 was "mentioned in the wiki". I inferred he meant SL wiki to accommodate suggestion of SL lore within consideration of 4 hour day cycles.
2018-06-10 22:36 <BillBlight> lore has nothing to do with how code works
2018-06-10 22:37 <nosaj> That's partly my point, BillBlight.
2018-06-10 22:38 <BillBlight> POSIX time is the current date based off of the seconds elapsed since 00:00:00 Thursday, 1 January 1970 this is how systems work ,it is how SL bases time, it is how opensim bases time, it is how most computer systems that are not set directly with the atomic clock base time.
2018-06-10 22:44 <nosaj> My point is that, a 4 hour day cycle & 60 day year cycle would be calculated according to a date of reckoning the passage of time elapsed since that date of reckoning.
2018-06-10 22:44 <BillBlight> No not actually
2018-06-10 22:44 <BillBlight> teh 4 hour day cycle can be changed
2018-06-10 22:45 <BillBlight> that is not hard coded
2018-06-10 22:45 <BillBlight> and it is based on a 24 hour clock, not the date
2018-06-10 22:45 <BillBlight> it is based on the time since midnight
2018-06-10 22:45 <nosaj> 60 24 hour day cycles since 1970 do not reflect a current year of 2018, not at all.
2018-06-10 22:45 <BillBlight> nope
2018-06-10 22:45 <BillBlight> because they are not based on that
2018-06-10 22:45 <BillBlight> the day cycle is based on the time since midnight that day
2018-06-10 22:46 <BillBlight> it could care less about the date or year
2018-06-10 22:46 <nosaj> OpenSimDefaults.ini: read it first, BillBlight.
2018-06-10 22:46 <Tampa> lol
2018-06-10 22:47 <BillBlight> yep, I have read it
2018-06-10 22:47 <BillBlight> many times, for years
2018-06-10 22:47 <nosaj> Am I right, or did an extra 292.2 years not help the World population much?
2018-06-10 22:48 <BillBlight> from the wiki
2018-06-10 22:48 <BillBlight> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlGetWallclock
2018-06-10 22:48 <BillBlight> from the ini ; number of wall clock hours for an opensim day.  24.0 would mean realtime
2018-06-10 22:48 <nosaj> College math professors still teach that Pi doesn't have a pattern in the year 2262?
2018-06-10 22:49 <BillBlight> Number of seconds from midnight
2018-06-10 22:49 <BillBlight> wallclock means number of seconds from midnight
2018-06-10 22:49 <BillBlight> so when the ini says , ; number of wall clock hours for an opensim day.  24.0 would mean realtime
2018-06-10 22:49 <BillBlight> it means since midnight
2018-06-10 22:50 <BillBlight> you can try and argue the point all you want, but that is how it calculates the sun position
2018-06-10 22:50 <BillBlight> so maybe instead of telling me to read the ini you should read it and understand it
2018-06-10 22:51 <Tampa> When in doubt, read the code :)
2018-06-10 22:51 <BillBlight> yep
2018-06-10 22:52 <BillBlight> Oh Tampa, I did finally get my FS build environment setup and have compiled FS froms source, only with a couple minor mods at this point
2018-06-10 22:52 <nosaj> I'll let you think about your 6 years recurrently squeezed into each single passing year for a while & decide for yourself if you're really talking about the same thing.
2018-06-10 22:53 <BillBlight> you are mildly insane
2018-06-10 22:53 <BillBlight> the day cycle is not fixed
2018-06-10 22:53 <BillBlight> it can be changed via the ini
2018-06-10 22:54 <BillBlight> so that is an arbitray fact
2018-06-10 22:54 <Plugh> I hadn't thought about the time for an OpenSim year. I don't know if there is any function that lets you determine what day it is in an OS year. Would be useful for regions to adapt their look as the seasons change. 
2018-06-10 22:54 <Tampa> Nice, now can you add the april fools update with the movable windows back in? Pretty please
2018-06-10 22:55 <BillBlight> well, that is actualy pretty easy , as you can script to get date and time of year, then script your windlight to change based on that
2018-06-10 22:55 <BillBlight> been there done that
2018-06-10 22:56 <Tampa> You can also royally screw up xengine and time when messing with sunposition and so on, the script engine calculates time independently from the actual visual environment settings, only way to fix is a region restart
2018-06-10 22:56 <Plugh> You can get real date and time but how do you get the OS day # based on the default 60 day year cycle?
2018-06-10 22:58 <Plugh> bbl. Food time.
2018-06-10 22:58 <nosaj> The default setting of a 4 hour day cycle is based upon SL day cycle. Each 10 seconds spent within SL represents a hypothetical passage of 1 real minute, & each approximate 60 real days spent within SL represents a hypothetical 1 SL year.
2018-06-10 23:00 <nosaj> OpenSim would need a [GridCalendarService] & Region CalendarModule.cs to calculate the hypothetical Time, Date, & Year within the Grid.
2018-06-10 23:00 <BillBlight> Considering that you don't have to have a 60 day year cycle it is kind of irealvant 
2018-06-10 23:00 <BillBlight> you can change the number of day cycles
2018-06-10 23:01 <BillBlight> so if you wanted to actually do it, you could just do some math by taking the day of the year x4 sincd 4 days per real day
2018-06-10 23:01 <nosaj> Mr. Obvious, I noticed a few things.
2018-06-10 23:01 <BillBlight> not actually that difficult
2018-06-10 23:01 <nosaj> 6 days per real day.
2018-06-10 23:02 <BillBlight> oh yes I typoed the 4
2018-06-10 23:02 <BillBlight> because I was thining day_length = 4
2018-06-10 23:03 <nosaj> Thanks, BillBlight. Read my comments again, which you so adamantly refuted & then backpeddaled with suggestion of "irrelevance".
2018-06-10 23:03 <BillBlight> No I just think you don't actually know how any of it works 
2018-06-10 23:04 <BillBlight> and you are trying to reinvent it anyway
2018-06-10 23:04 <Aramis^> ... and this is why we can't have nice things. lol
2018-06-10 23:04 <nosaj> I think I am correctamundo, flock of seagulls.
2018-06-10 23:05 <Tampa> That attitude...
2018-06-10 23:05 <BillBlight> Yeah and I know you are not talking about me
2018-06-10 23:05 <Tampa> Sensible discussion does not require name calling or being extra-salty
2018-06-10 23:06 <Tampa> If you want to re-invent the time system, go right ahead, create a module for your purpose, thats the beauty of OpenSim
2018-06-10 23:07 <BillBlight> yep, but you can't change the facts of how computer systems work you can only add a layer to interpret them the way you want
2018-06-10 23:10 <nosaj> Last I checked, the Freestyle BS Racing Team has not expressed interest in helping the community with coded modules, not actually.
2018-06-10 23:11 <Tampa> And who exactly is that?
2018-06-10 23:13 <nosaj> The point is, it's a calculable hypothetical date & passage of time & is important in the consideration of coding Time Zone settings.
2018-06-10 23:15 <BillBlight> actually, if you set the ini to a 24 day cycle you don't need another way of doing it, virtual day cycles are exctly that, virutal, and have no bearing on the timezone.  If you set to the 24 cycle , and viewers would actually listen to the server for what time it is, then you have the correct time of day in world ..  The problem is viewers don't listen to the server.
2018-06-10 23:16 <BillBlight> so day_length = 24 gives you real time, and if the viewer listened , it would be synced with the real clock of the server, but the viewers don't listen
2018-06-10 23:17 <Tampa> The reason most grids tend to keep the time settings outside of day lengths the same, meaning PDT, is because it makes it easier to set a time for events or other meetups. Changing grid time can also have adverse effects due to some viewers hardcoding that rather than taking the grids timezone. It also makes no sense to have the viewer display the sim time of day, because that can vastly vary depending on settings or even the time zone 
2018-06-10 23:17 <Tampa> the simulator is in on the underlying machine. If you want to make a roleplay time system then that should go into its own module and communicate to the viewer with another system rather than the standard time settings. Those, for the sake of running scripts and compatibility should probably be left alone.
2018-06-10 23:17 <nosaj> As well, it's important in the consideration of a hypothetical 60 day year cycle. The hypothetical year cycle could as easily have been considered set to 6x365.25, though the core devs decided upon a 60 day year cycle & probably would want that considered in a community [GridCalendarService] development.
2018-06-10 23:18 <BillBlight> I don't every grid admin out there stuck to that cycle
2018-06-10 23:18 <BillBlight> I know I have many sims that don't
2018-06-10 23:18 <BillBlight> the devs only did that as default because that is what SL used, but in opensim it is not a hardcoded fact
2018-06-10 23:19 <BillBlight> but viewer devs bow before their SL masters
2018-06-10 23:20 <nosaj> "Clitus, I'm bored." Flash is at it again
2018-06-10 23:22 <BillBlight> You seem to be under some misguided thinking that this "hypothetical" 60 day year is a fixed thing , it is not
2018-06-10 23:22 <nosaj> OpenSim has NPCFunctions. SL does not (hint, hint).
2018-06-10 23:22 <BillBlight> exactly
2018-06-10 23:22 <BillBlight> which is why we don't have to have a 60 day year
2018-06-10 23:23 <nosaj> 6x365.4 is not equal 60 (hint, hint, Bill.).
2018-06-10 23:23 <BillBlight> omg no shit sherlock
2018-06-10 23:23 <Tampa> sun does not change east angle anyways as far as I can tell, though I never actually tracked that specifically
2018-06-10 23:23 <nosaj> What, son?!
2018-06-10 23:23 <BillBlight> no it does not change east angle, it is a fixed arch
2018-06-10 23:24 <BillBlight> or arc, depending on how you look at it
2018-06-10 23:24 <BillBlight> you can change the look of it with windlight, but the actual position does not change
2018-06-10 23:24 <Tampa> I tried setting up geolocated sun settings once to test out some generation algo for solar energy... all it did was break the sun lol
2018-06-10 23:24 <BillBlight> yep
2018-06-10 23:25 <BillBlight> because that shit is all actually rendered viewer side
2018-06-10 23:25 <Tampa> ossl can fiddle with it, but it may not reflect visually which makes it impossible to figure out what the heck is actually going on
2018-06-10 23:25 <BillBlight> the server just tells it where it is supposed to be, but with the hardcoded clock in most viewers it just goes wonky
2018-06-10 23:26 <Tampa> Getting it back in sync basically impossible, easier to reboot heh
2018-06-10 23:26 <BillBlight> yep
2018-06-10 23:27 <BillBlight> hardcoded clock is one of the first things I'm going to adjust in my FS build, but after looking at it , easier said than done, that SL crap is everywhere
2018-06-10 23:29 <nosaj> The Agri Calendar has 10 months with 36 days in each month & 7 days in each week.
2018-06-10 23:30 <nosaj> The Agri Calendar has 360 days within each year.
2018-06-10 23:31 <nosaj> The names of the months & days within the Agri Calendar are based upon mathematical theories of "Pi".
2018-06-10 23:32 <nosaj> (That's why. A fantasy Default Calendar is implied, even in the OpenSim codes.)
2018-06-10 23:33 <BillBlight> go for it, start coding your module, if it works I'm sure some people would use it ..
2018-06-11 01:23 <nosaj> So, I have a developed suggestion for the Agri Calendar. If there were centralized place to document the proposed calendar for static documentation of public discussion, I'd gladly post the proposal.
2018-06-11 01:25 <nosaj> The 1st month is titled "Pi". 1st day is titled "Hellei". Etc.
2018-06-11 01:30 <nosaj> 1, "Pi", 2, "Pythagora", 3, "Circe", 4, "Ptolemia", 5, "Archimedes", 6, "Descarte", 7, "Eulero", 8, "Klein", 9, "Euclidia", 10, "Oei";
2018-06-11 01:32 <nosaj> list days = [1, "Hellei", 2, "Fano", 3, "Huo", 4, "Weil", 5, "Zodai", 6, "Daise", 7, "Argo"];
2018-06-11 02:11 <Tampa> That would be the mantis
2018-06-11 02:37 <Plugh> The mailing list would be better to get a discussion going.
2018-06-11 03:41 <Tampa> People still use that?
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2018-06-11 06:17 <djphil> Morning :) Is there a viewer with multiple camera support?
2018-06-11 06:25 <Tampa> Define camera
2018-06-11 06:31 <djphil> What do you mean by "define camera"?
2018-06-11 06:31 <djphil> Is a setting ?
2018-06-11 06:34 <Tampa> What do you define as camera when you say multiple camera
2018-06-11 06:35 <djphil> ho that, ok
2018-06-11 06:35 <djphil> i mean multiples view
2018-06-11 06:35 <djphil> actually viewers have  1 camera / i vieuw
2018-06-11 06:35 <djphil> 1*
2018-06-11 06:35 <djphil> i whant 6 views
2018-06-11 06:35 <djphil> ---> 6 cameras
2018-06-11 06:36 <Tampa> I don't know there is a viewer that does that, even if there was it likely would not run well, you would need a lot of gpu power to render all these scenes
2018-06-11 06:37 <djphil> well CtrlAltStudio is a "sort of" 6 view camera i think
2018-06-11 06:37 <djphil> to create panoramic view
2018-06-11 06:38 <djphil> for VR
2018-06-11 06:38 <djphil> but Ctrl isn't able to capture 6 separate views
2018-06-11 06:39 <djphil> to create Spacial videos
2018-06-11 06:40 <djphil> A guy did it for SL but does not seem to be opensource
2018-06-11 06:40 <djphil> So even if it is more greedy in CPU, it is not impossible .. it has already been done by someone :)
2018-06-11 06:41 <djphil> Simply one should know how to do it :p
2018-06-11 11:26 <Tampa> System.ArgumentException: Requested value 'v4_6' was not found.
2018-06-11 11:26 <Tampa>   at System.Enum+EnumResult.SetFailure (System.Enum+ParseFailureKind failure, System.String failureMessageID, System.Object failureMessageFormatArgument) [0x00023] in <e29f59307e5e4e33ab73bb6530764ec9>:0
2018-06-11 11:26 <Tampa> Ehhh?
2018-06-11 11:56 <Tampa> eeek I cannot rsync to save my life apparently NEVERMIND
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2018-06-12 05:59 <andsim> can someone tell me howto rotatw logs trying figuring oyut rollingStyle value
2018-06-12 06:00 <andsim> pm mwe please
2018-06-12 06:09 <Tampa> I do this manually using a cronjob that tests size and rotates the log if it reaches 100mb, less file clutter that way
2018-06-12 06:13 <andsim> so no weekly?
2018-06-12 06:21 <Tampa> I check daily, but some simulators see so little traffic they barely fill a log
2018-06-12 06:22 <Tampa> If you running Linux, bash is your friend, you can automate a lot of tasks with it :)
2018-06-12 06:27 <andsim> i am
2018-06-12 06:28 <andsim> i just redo log filw to new folder
2018-06-12 06:30 <Tampa> some ls, if, cp, rm, echo, done simple stuff, think there even is something builtin perhaps, but I am not sure that does size comparisons
2018-06-12 06:35 <andsim> if u delete log files will u need to ewatart them or do thy recreate them
2018-06-12 07:07 <Tampa> It doesn't, either recreate the file or null it aka echo " " >>> or whatever that was
2018-06-12 08:02 <Bill_Blight> If you are feeling energetic , dig into the exe.config files, like Robust.exe.config and OpenSim.exe.config, they can be configured to autorotate the logs, my robust does this, rotates them daily with no intervention stores them in the log folder .
2018-06-12 08:44 <andsim>  yea ok that be issues i not that good bill
2018-06-12 08:45 <andsim> but has pout them in log folder
2018-06-12 08:48 <andsim> @Bill_Blight i rean into map issues https://www.anskygrid.ca/index.php/map-of-ansky-grid
2018-06-12 08:53 <Tampa> Google maps api constantly changes likely it no longer works properly with the integration
2018-06-12 08:58 <andsim> https://www.jopensim.com/jopensimworld/home/the-worldmap.html
2018-06-12 08:58 <andsim> it work there
2018-06-12 09:08 <andsim> write permission was an issues @Tampa
2018-06-12 09:52 <andsim> @Bill_Blight how jopensim work for radmin i see all the setup but not able communicate
2018-06-12 09:53 <Tampa> Bill is asleep around this time of day, you'll have to wait a couple hours
2018-06-12 09:54 <Tampa> Does jopensim have no support forum or something?
2018-06-12 09:54 <andsim> yes it does but i can wait
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2018-06-12 17:31 <nosaj> I'm reading LLLoginResponse.cs & my suggestion is to base all Time Zone settings on format of "UTC+/-00:00".
2018-06-12 17:35 <nosaj> "UTC-06:00" would be PST. As well, that would simplify setting & calculating DSTZone setting. I am thinking to make Addons module that allows setting osDSTZone manually with UTC-07:00 for PDT.
2018-06-12 17:36 <nosaj> There are too many global time zones & they're not all variations of simply an hour variable of UTC.
2018-06-12 17:38 <nosaj> They're variably 00:15 or 00:45 variable intervals of UTC. Setting time zones would be friendly & simple with UTC+/-00:00
2018-06-12 17:46 <nosaj> The the RegionStatsHandler.cs would need a patch to get (utcOffset.TotalMinutes);
2018-06-12 17:50 <nosaj> Typo in SunModule.cs: //60 RW days in a VW year.
2018-06-12 17:57 <nosaj> SunModule.cs needs work or replacement of optional module. An Addons for Global that allows setting PrimeMeridian & Northern & Southern Tropic coordinates would be useful for Dynamic seasonal Sun behavior.
2018-06-12 17:58 <nosaj> The Grid Software is brilliant work thus far. I didn't want to alter core functionality & behaviour.
2018-06-12 17:59 <nosaj> I have no interest in Core development. I just want to help with a few module Addons.
2018-06-12 18:11 <Plugh1> Weekly OS developer meeting is starting in osgrid.
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2018-06-13 11:00 <evilissimo> Ubit: Olá
2018-06-13 11:00 <evilissimo> I am trying to figure out what problem with the Arithmetic errors is about
2018-06-13 11:01 <evilissimo> It seems to be a problem of deserialization 
2018-06-13 11:06 <evilissimo> ok now this is different
2018-06-13 11:06 <evilissimo> System.OverflowException - Damn I am looking for the wrong thing all the time
2018-06-13 11:55 <evilissimo> found the bug
2018-06-13 11:56 <evilissimo> It's a bug in WebUtil LogAndDeserialize
2018-06-13 11:56 <evilissimo> you're using contentLength here: byte[] data = new byte[contentLength];
2018-06-13 11:57 <evilissimo> but in some cases the server might be responding with chunked transfer
2018-06-13 11:57 <evilissimo> that means contentLength = -1
2018-06-13 11:57 <evilissimo> and then you're copying the data to the stream which results in this exception
2018-06-13 11:57 <Tampa> So just a if not -1 should do?
2018-06-13 11:57 <evilissimo> http://rextester.com/LDPB80470
2018-06-13 11:58 <evilissimo> an example of what this causes
2018-06-13 11:58 <evilissimo> just localized
2018-06-13 11:58 <evilissimo> Tampa: no
2018-06-13 11:58 <evilissimo> if it is -1 it should read the stream until EOF
2018-06-13 11:58 <evilissimo> and not preallocate the bufer
2018-06-13 11:58 <evilissimo> buffer
2018-06-13 12:02 <evilissimo> basically you would want a ReadFully like the accepted answer here: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/221925/creating-a-byte-array-from-a-stream
2018-06-13 12:03 <evilissimo> probably even this one: https://stackoverflow.com/a/14940312/280158
2018-06-13 12:09 <evilissimo> I'll send a patch
2018-06-13 12:16 <osmantis> Bug #8329:04 WebUtil: Deserialization failures in LogAndDeserialize 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8329 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-06-13 12:37 <osmantis> Bug #8329:04 WebUtil: Deserialization failures in LogAndDeserialize 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8329 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2018-06-13 12:38 <evilissimo> well when you guys have some time to look at it, please do
2018-06-13 12:38 <evilissimo> this is just an idea how to fix it
2018-06-13 13:37 <Ubit> ok thx, ill take a look later
2018-06-13 13:37 <Ubit> hmm but why now? odd
2018-06-13 13:39 <Ubit> errr why ransfer-Encoding: chunked ?
2018-06-13 13:39 <Ubit> we do not suport that
2018-06-13 13:40 <Ubit> what servers replay that ?
2018-06-13 13:41 <Ubit> reply..
2018-06-13 13:43 <Ubit> well that only happens if debuglevel > 5 
2018-06-13 13:48 <Tampa> The Upload failed message still appears though
2018-06-13 13:51 <Ubit> but what servers try to use chunked ??
2018-06-13 14:06 <Tampa> My asset server is sending that for example, likely sras also, not sure about standard
2018-06-13 16:50 <Ubit> httptests master or any?
2018-06-13 16:50 <Ubit> or a proxy i middle ?
2018-06-13 17:30 <osmantis> Bug #8329:04 WebUtil: Deserialization failures in LogAndDeserialize 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8329 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-06-13 18:02 <osmantis> Bug #8329:04 WebUtil: Deserialization failures in LogAndDeserialize 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8329 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-06-13 18:12 <Tampa> Ubit: There is a CDN in the middle so technically a proxy yeah, though it should be one-to-one since it only acts on GET and not on POST or responses
2018-06-13 18:20 <Ubit> it may be it
2018-06-13 18:20 <Ubit> no idea why
2018-06-13 18:20 <Ubit> chucked is nice for browsers running on
2018-06-13 18:20 <Ubit> arduinos :p
2018-06-13 18:21 <Tampa> I'll send them a mail to see if they know why this would be, don't think its the asset server itself, that was made to mimic the exact response from core
2018-06-13 18:21 <Ubit> that code is old
2018-06-13 18:22 <Ubit> all code assumes no chunked everywhere
2018-06-13 18:22 <evilissimo> Ubit:  it's not the server
2018-06-13 18:22 <evilissimo> it's mostlikely the CDN
2018-06-13 18:22 <Ubit> yes that is what i said
2018-06-13 18:22 <evilissimo> Sorry skipped that
2018-06-13 18:22 <Ubit> i just went check in case :)
2018-06-13 18:23 <evilissimo> well but why would your code assume chunked something at all?
2018-06-13 18:23 <Ubit> seen why your pacth does not fix it ?
2018-06-13 18:23 <evilissimo> the steram should have that resolved
2018-06-13 18:23 <evilissimo> I didn't try it yet
2018-06-13 18:23 <evilissimo> it was an idea
2018-06-13 18:23 <evilissimo> I found it this afternoon
2018-06-13 18:23 <Ubit> chcuked also changes the body adding its own encoding of course
2018-06-13 18:23 <evilissimo> but I had to do some work for my day job
2018-06-13 18:23 <evilissimo> Ubit: well it depends on the HTTP library
2018-06-13 18:23 <Ubit> so the xml decoder will be very confused
2018-06-13 18:24 <evilissimo> if you use something home brew then yeah
2018-06-13 18:24 <evilissimo> I didn't check under the hood that far
2018-06-13 18:24 <Ubit> its that server code
2018-06-13 18:24 <Ubit> .net does not decode chuncked
2018-06-13 18:24 <Ubit> on httpwebresponses
2018-06-13 18:24 <Ubit> it may use it on send..
2018-06-13 18:25 <Ubit> even reading the stream is tricky in some cases
2018-06-13 18:26 <Ubit> see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chunked_transfer_encoding
2018-06-13 18:26 <Ubit> for a simple case
2018-06-13 18:27 <Ubit> so suporting it is.. a pain :p
2018-06-13 18:28 <evilissimo> I have implented a chunked parsing already
2018-06-13 18:28 <evilissimo> it's not that big of a deal though
2018-06-13 18:28 <evilissimo> I mean I can imaging to implement a stream wrapper that implements this 
2018-06-13 18:28 <Ubit> yeah on ALL places we get http responses
2018-06-13 18:28 <evilissimo> well if necessary
2018-06-13 18:29 <Ubit> never seen this issue before
2018-06-13 18:29 <Tampa> ...welcome to my world lol
2018-06-13 18:29 <Ubit> mb just that cdn ???
2018-06-13 18:30 <Ubit> btw you did not test that from a arduino did you? :P
2018-06-13 18:30 <Tampa> I sent them a support ticket just now lets see what comes back, nothing in the settings I can find that would have something to do with this.
2018-06-13 18:30 <Tampa> No, prod on zetaworlds
2018-06-13 18:30 <Tampa> direct iron for the most part
2018-06-13 18:30 <Ubit> well we do say its http1.1  but this is a lie
2018-06-13 18:31 <Ubit> ( like chunked proves ;) )
2018-06-13 18:31 <Ubit> on master even worse.. no pipeline.. noteven keepalives
2018-06-13 18:32 <Ubit> ahh ole' evilissimo  :p
2018-06-13 18:33 <Tampa> you planning on making httptests master at some point?
2018-06-13 18:33 <Ubit> its that opensim machine issue
2018-06-13 18:33 <Ubit> very happy now with its mono2.10..
2018-06-13 18:34 <Ubit> mb not be happy at all if we try to put 5.x on it
2018-06-13 18:34 <Tampa> you mean jenkins?
2018-06-13 18:34 <Ubit> jenkis also yes
2018-06-13 18:34 <Melanie_T> i'll do it at some point
2018-06-13 18:34 <Melanie_T> but just busy with the day job
2018-06-13 18:35 <Tampa> Is it an old distro or?
2018-06-13 18:35 <Ubit> yeah.. you will need some large free time
2018-06-13 18:35 <Ubit> yes tampa, a bit outdated box now
2018-06-13 18:35 <Melanie_T> the "old" team believed that 2.10 should be the baseline because many distros never updated past it
2018-06-13 18:35 <Melanie_T> mono is an unloved child in the open source community
2018-06-13 18:36 <Melanie_T> by now to get a current mono, you need to get it from mono themselves
2018-06-13 18:36 <Ubit> guess worse not its a MS thing :)
2018-06-13 18:36 <evilissimo> especially with microsoft suddenly being all around 
2018-06-13 18:36 <Melanie_T> distros don't update it a lot
2018-06-13 18:36 <Melanie_T> the issue is with patents
2018-06-13 18:36 <Ubit> yeah they are on 4.6???
2018-06-13 18:36 <Melanie_T> MS has relinquished copyright on .net
2018-06-13 18:36 <Melanie_T> but they held on to the patents
2018-06-13 18:37 <evilissimo> well they should do what RedHat does
2018-06-13 18:37 <Melanie_T> we have a non-official assurance that MS won't enforce them
2018-06-13 18:37 <evilissimo> maybe they eventually will 
2018-06-13 18:37 <Melanie_T> but at some point in the future they could do so
2018-06-13 18:37 <evilissimo> we will see what comes
2018-06-13 18:37 <Melanie_T> then mono would become open source but not Free
2018-06-13 18:37 <Ubit> xamarian was not free, its now under ms
2018-06-13 18:38 <Ubit> ( mobile mono )
2018-06-13 18:38 <Ubit> but yeah... who knows ms plans :(
2018-06-13 18:39 <Tampa> Thing is, while the distros themselves may not be up to date, its not exactly rocket science to install mono from their repos either.
2018-06-13 18:39 <Ubit> but their current free lics are very open
2018-06-13 18:39 <Tampa> More a question of time really
2018-06-13 18:39 <Ubit> we can even use free VS for individual comercial work
2018-06-13 18:40 <Tampa> Updating the jenkins shouldn't be hard either, save the config, throw a newer distro on, install mono and jenkins, load config back in
2018-06-13 18:41 <Tampa> Been there done that, I admit that lol
2018-06-13 18:41 <Ubit> yes tampa we all know what that means when we actually start doing it :p
2018-06-13 18:41 <Tampa> Just saying, I got loads of free time on my hands ;P
2018-06-13 18:41 <Ubit> i once trashed a debian box on a similar thing :p
2018-06-13 18:42 <Ubit> obsolete kernel 
2018-06-13 18:42 <Tampa> In apt I trust, in kill -9 I believe
2018-06-13 18:42 <Ubit> had to put another disk and do a clean install lol
2018-06-13 18:43 <Ubit> well was a bad case.. the entire kernel api had changed
2018-06-13 18:43 <Ubit> so apt etc trashed it all
2018-06-13 18:44 <Tampa> ubuntu 14 did that on me once, not fun
2018-06-13 18:46 <Ubit> well has mel said, it does require some good RL free time to try it
2018-06-13 18:54 <Ubit> the 2.10 was not a bad choice , but the damm clock keeps ticking.. things get obsolete :(
2018-06-13 18:54 <BillBlight> Well someone needs to find the time to do it that is for sure .. (matters not to me actually, but for progress sake it needs to happen)
2018-06-13 18:55 <Ubit> and just painting hair like bill does, does not fix it
2018-06-13 18:55 <Ubit> 
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2018-06-13 18:56 <BillBlight> HAHAHA .. At least my jenkins builds and tests ... :P
2018-06-13 18:56 <Tampa> Bill and I have loads of time on our hands why you think we do so many silly things all the time xD
2018-06-13 18:57 <evilissimo> well considering that things get obsoleted faster and faster
2018-06-13 18:57 <Ubit> :)
2018-06-13 18:57 <evilissimo> and stopped being supported
2018-06-13 18:57 <evilissimo> 2.10 is in a pretty bad spot already
2018-06-13 18:57 <BillBlight> It is not just a matter of time only, it is a mater of focus, and commitment 
2018-06-13 18:57 <Ubit> yeap
2018-06-13 18:57 <Ubit> i mean 2.10 is 2 old
2018-06-13 18:58 <Tampa> that is what redbull and whips are for lol
2018-06-13 18:58 <BillBlight> 2.10 is dead , just a zombie at this point
2018-06-13 18:59 <BillBlight> damnit Firestorm takes a long time to build
2018-06-13 18:59 <Ubit> you missed the instrutions part about coffe?
2018-06-13 19:00 <Ubit> btw using all those 24 cores may not actually help
2018-06-13 19:01 <Ubit> unless you do have 24 disks also :p
2018-06-13 19:02 <BillBlight> no only 12 disks
2018-06-13 19:02 <BillBlight> Raid5
2018-06-13 19:02 <Ubit> :)
2018-06-13 19:03 <BillBlight> well 16 if you count the 4 internal drives
2018-06-13 19:03 <Ubit> but you still need tons of coffe :)
2018-06-13 19:04 <BillBlight> yep
2018-06-13 19:04 <BillBlight> and I have
2018-06-13 19:04 <Ubit> well i did comp alchemy  a few weeks/months ago
2018-06-13 19:04 <Ubit> possible i left it comp and went to sleep :)
2018-06-13 19:04 <BillBlight> Now that I have a working build environment , I may build alchemy too, fix that damn 512 draw distance
2018-06-13 19:05 <Ubit> not that uses dif tools
2018-06-13 19:05 <Ubit> note..
2018-06-13 19:05 <BillBlight> yes I know
2018-06-13 19:05 <Ubit> autobuild is not the same blablabla
2018-06-13 19:05 <BillBlight> but have a system setup just for building
2018-06-13 19:06 <Ubit> and alch not targets vs2017 :)
2018-06-13 19:06 <Ubit> NOW
2018-06-13 19:08 <BillBlight> but renabling http pipelining in FS did make a noticable difference in texture load 
2018-06-13 19:08 <BillBlight> on the httptests branch
2018-06-13 19:08 <Ubit> well no miracles
2018-06-13 19:09 <BillBlight> not sure it is anything to write home about or get overly excited, but yeah no miracles
2018-06-13 19:09 <Ubit> had idea that keep alives had more impact
2018-06-13 19:09 <Ubit> but depends on how fs handles those conns
2018-06-13 19:10 <BillBlight> well that and I also neuterd your throttles a bit, did not remove them, but made them less "Ubitish"
2018-06-13 19:10 <Ubit> :p
2018-06-13 19:10 <BillBlight> :P
2018-06-13 19:10 <Ubit> did you actually noticed that the numbers there get overriding by viewer settings? :p
2018-06-13 19:11 <BillBlight> at a certain point yes
2018-06-13 19:11 <BillBlight> that point is just lower now
2018-06-13 19:11 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-06-13 19:11 <Ubit> but no one likes those, inc me
2018-06-13 19:13 <BillBlight> "OMG my mesh loads slower!" , Blame Ubit, "OMG my lawn is dying!", Blame Ubit, "OMG my beer is flat!", Blame Ubit .... 
2018-06-13 19:14 <BillBlight> hahaha
2018-06-13 19:14 <BillBlight> :P
2018-06-13 19:14 <Ubit> :)
2018-06-13 19:23 <Tampa> Ubit killed the radio star confirmed lol
2018-06-13 19:23 <Ubit> :p
2018-06-13 19:25 <Melanie_T> BillBlight: you can make it faster for 2 users, but it'll crash and burn with 30...
2018-06-13 19:26 <Melanie_T> the server only has so much bandwidth
2018-06-13 19:26 <Melanie_T> serving one client faster means a meltdown when you have user counts on a commercial scale
2018-06-13 19:26 <BillBlight> well then the 40 I had at an event on Friday kind of disproves that
2018-06-13 19:26 <BillBlight> zero lag
2018-06-13 19:26 <Melanie_T> if they're all sat on danceballs, they don't take much
2018-06-13 19:26 <BillBlight> nope
2018-06-13 19:27 <Melanie_T> we do have experience from the oscc
2018-06-13 19:27 <BillBlight> as I said I did not remove the throttles, just made them a tad bit less strict, not a lot
2018-06-13 19:27 <Ubit> ahh ahh ohhh ... video killed tha radiooo starrrrr
2018-06-13 19:27 <Ubit> oops
2018-06-13 19:27 <Tampa> lol
2018-06-13 19:27 <Ubit> tampa's fault
2018-06-13 19:27 <BillBlight> it usually is
2018-06-13 19:27 <Ubit> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxHk8UYv3ok
2018-06-13 19:34 <Ubit> kids in america.. ohh ohh
2018-06-13 19:59 <Aramis^> I remember watching that when MTV went live, aug '81 I think? we skipped and went to friend's house that had cable, with that old box with buttons  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/Push_button_cable_box.jpg  yep MTV launch  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unVqWMDNYGA  now... without googling, what was the 2nd video they played?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u0dLwvqWms
2018-06-13 20:01 <Ubit> You Better Run :p
2018-06-13 20:02 <Aramis^> Judges? Ding! Winner
2018-06-13 20:02 <Ubit> lol
2018-06-13 20:03 <Ubit> no was telling YOU better run lol
2018-06-13 20:03 <Aramis^> haha
2018-06-13 20:12 <Aramis^> fun times, I was out by then but somebody skipped school... we couldn't wait to see it now they don't even run videos except on classic channels
2018-06-13 20:13 <Aramis^> and if you put the button 1/2 way between rows, and slowly worked the wheel, you could pick up dirty movies on Cinemax lol
2018-06-13 20:14 <Ubit> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctOhwRGdVvo funny this
2018-06-13 20:14 <Ubit> and comparing to this:
2018-06-13 20:14 <Ubit> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zzkalHmY10
2018-06-13 20:16 <Aramis^> oh yeah
2018-06-13 20:17 <Ubit> he must love that old ctr for a reason
2018-06-13 20:17 <Ubit> crt
2018-06-13 20:18 <Aramis^> vangelis I was just playing Blade Runner soundtrack on spotify last nite to relax
2018-06-13 20:19 <Ubit> but odd that crt there... all brand new stuff and a crt there lol
2018-06-13 20:20 <Ubit> hmm not all that new after all
2018-06-13 20:22 <Aramis^> right, I've only got 1 left, 19" ViewSonic, server can have that beast lol also 12 hrs of background ambient sounds from Deckard's apartment  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7FhEpif1cA
2018-06-13 20:22 <Aramis^> ever have a b&w monitor? NEC MultiSync that I had was awesome on the eyes for reading, not so good for jpgs
2018-06-13 20:23 <Ubit> of course i had
2018-06-13 20:23 <Ubit> and ambar and green lol
2018-06-13 20:26 <Aramis^> yup in the warehouse next to the Sun solaris box and what was the name of the video editing company, still have one of their workstations... jtr only took 255 days to give me the solaris root pw, now I need a compatible monitor or adapter
2018-06-13 20:27 <Aramis^> I have an old ISA card that will turn an IBM XT into a 286, plus a couple add on memory cards
2018-06-13 20:28 <Aramis^> somebody on ebay will always want old stuff to play with
2018-06-13 20:28 <Ubit> guess you mean "could.. " :)
2018-06-13 20:28 <Ubit> hmm i still have a few XT around
2018-06-13 20:29 <Ubit> one day my try to make one run again
2018-06-13 20:29 <Ubit> may..
2018-06-13 20:29 <Aramis^> I thought I had 2 more here so left mine in the garage up north, didn't do them any good but I think still workable
2018-06-13 20:29 <Aramis^> first... find a 5 1/4 boot floppy... then hehe
2018-06-13 20:30 <Ubit> possible eprom bios did got erased by now
2018-06-13 20:30 <Aramis^> stray photons
2018-06-13 20:30 <Ubit> even just normal leakage
2018-06-13 20:30 <Aramis^> somebody at HP actually tried to blame something on solar flare
2018-06-13 20:31 <Aramis^> I've been hung up on by people better than you!
2018-06-13 20:31 <Aramis^> if you can get to 2nd leve support, you stand a chance of finding a kind soul
2018-06-13 20:32 <Ubit> if u say so..
2018-06-13 20:34 <Aramis^> they actually overnighted a set of recovery discs to me once when burning them off manually choked. remember when they used to be included in the box? and printers came with a cable plus 2 ink cartridges, color and b&w
2018-06-13 20:34 <Aramis^> now they make black using color cartridge
2018-06-13 20:37 <Aramis^> Refillers Killed the Toner Market? lol
2018-06-13 20:42 <Aramis^> biab
2018-06-13 21:29 <Aramis^> has anyone tried Devuan or Alpine linux in general or with Opensim, I run Slackware but am going  to give them a look for better pkg management
2018-06-13 22:10 <BillBlight> Aramis: I tried Alpine, was a hot mess for opensim, but that was a while back, have not tried Devuan, but it is based on debian so should be ok ..
2018-06-13 22:33 <evilissimo> Ubit: So I really tried to find anything that backs your concern about chunked transfer encoding
2018-06-13 22:33 <evilissimo> Ubit: I am not able to reproduce a case where the ResponseStream would not be already decoded 
2018-06-13 22:33 <evilissimo> Ubit: I think you are misunderstanding something about this, or I am missing some very big elephant
2018-06-13 22:34 <Ubit> no idea
2018-06-13 22:34 <Ubit> i just checked the specs of that encoding
2018-06-13 22:34 <evilissimo> Well System.Web is taking care of the decoding
2018-06-13 22:38 <evilissimo> Ubit: a definitely working example of chunked data is for me always google
2018-06-13 22:38 <evilissimo> nc www.google.pt 80
2018-06-13 22:38 <evilissimo> GET / HTTP/1.1
2018-06-13 22:38 <evilissimo> Host: www.google.pt
2018-06-13 22:38 <evilissimo>  
2018-06-13 22:39 <evilissimo> and you will see it chunked
2018-06-13 22:39 <evilissimo> but you won't if you use WebRequest.Create ("https://www.google.pt"); and then get the response stream from there
2018-06-13 22:41 <evilissimo> anyway, do whatever you want with it this patch - I don't have any better idea to fix this issue
2018-06-13 22:41 <Ubit> ill check it again next weekend
2018-06-13 22:42 <Ubit> ( if not before )
2018-06-13 22:42 <evilissimo> No pressure
2018-06-13 22:42 <Ubit> i know :p
2018-06-13 22:42 <Ubit> but oficially we do not suport chunked still :p
2018-06-13 22:43 <evilissimo> I don't even know what your problem is
2018-06-13 22:44 <evilissimo> Allowing chunked for WebUtil wouldn't be the biggest of deals
2018-06-13 22:44 <evilissimo> and well 'allowing'
2018-06-13 22:45 <evilissimo> and you basically have this problem only at that logging part
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2018-06-15 20:29 <Ubit> no one from spain here, i hope :p
2018-06-15 20:47 <Tampa> lol
2018-06-15 20:47 <Ubit> well it was a draw :)
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2018-06-16 13:19 <osmantis> Bug #8327:04 Typo in debug messages in FlotsamAssetCache.cs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8327 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-06-16 13:20 <osmantis> Bug #8327:04 Typo in debug messages in FlotsamAssetCache.cs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8327 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-06-16 13:23 <osmantis> Bug #8325:04 EventQueueGet requests from the client /CAPS/EQG are answered with "Bad Gateway" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8325 ): has been CLOSED
2018-06-16 13:26 <osmantis> Bug #8322:04 llSetBuoyancy do not work fine. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8322 ): has been CLOSED
2018-06-16 13:28 <osmantis> Bug #8313:04 ??? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8313 ): has been CLOSED
2018-06-16 13:29 <osmantis> Bug #8266:04 Feature Wish: configurable persistent mute-list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8266 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-06-16 13:30 <osmantis> Bug #8084:04 [SCRIPT ENGINE] All material constants no implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8084 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-06-16 13:45 <osmantis> Bug #8319:04 Error getting response stream (ReadDone2): ReceiveFailure 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8319 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-06-16 13:59 <osmantis> Bug #8291:04 Add ability for banning via mac address 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8291 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-06-16 14:37 <Tampa> lol really
2018-06-16 14:58 <osmantis> Bug #8327:04 Typo in debug messages in FlotsamAssetCache.cs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8327 ): is now in status NEW (again)
2018-06-16 14:58 <osmantis> Bug #8327:04 Typo in debug messages in FlotsamAssetCache.cs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8327 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2018-06-16 15:04 <osmantis> Bug #8327:04 Typo in debug messages in FlotsamAssetCache.cs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8327 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-06-16 15:10 <osmantis> Bug #8327:04 Typo in debug messages in FlotsamAssetCache.cs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8327 ): has been CLOSED
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2018-06-16 22:21 <jsync> Hello, all!! I created this Robust_Logo.png for reference within a text based ui server I'm trying to code that controls various OpenSim server instances via screen sessions within a single terminal. https://pasteboard.co/HqdCtWk.png
2018-06-16 22:21 <jsync> Feel at liberty to use that logo if you want. I liked the concept & it's what I came up with.
2018-06-16 22:24 <andsim> i need help my grid is down
2018-06-16 22:24 <jsync> If you have any suggestions on a variation of that logo, I might be interested. 
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2018-06-17 13:07 <osmantis> Bug #8330:04 Scripts failing to start 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8330 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-06-17 14:01 <osmantis> Bug #8330:04 Scripts failing to start 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8330 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-06-17 14:07 <osmantis> Bug #8330:04 Scripts failing to start 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8330 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-06-17 14:16 <osmantis> Bug #8330:04 Scripts failing to start 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8330 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-06-17 14:17 <Ubit> yeackk its worse
2018-06-17 14:20 <osmantis> Bug #8330:04 Scripts failing to start 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8330 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-06-17 14:23 <osmantis> Bug #8330:04 Scripts failing to start 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8330 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-06-17 14:28 <osmantis> Bug #8330:04 Scripts failing to start 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8330 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-06-17 14:28 <Ubit> damm i was typing lol
2018-06-17 14:29 <osmantis> Bug #8330:04 Scripts failing to start 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8330 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-06-17 14:46 <osmantis> Bug #8330:04 Scripts failing to start 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8330 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-06-17 14:47 <Ubit> damm again? lol
2018-06-17 14:51 <osmantis> Bug #8330:04 Scripts failing to start 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8330 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-06-17 16:21 <Ubit> seems mantis 8330 happened with last osgrid release on a maching still on mono 3.2.8
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2018-06-17 18:37 <Plugh> Ubit: The error message in the report indicates mono 4.5, AFAICT.
2018-06-17 18:40 <Plugh> Its puzzling why the error would mention 4.5 but the person claims that mono -V reports 3.2.8
2018-06-17 18:40 <Ubit> no idea
2018-06-17 18:40 <Ubit> dan may also had changed the build enviroment
2018-06-17 18:41 <Ubit> triggering assembly versions issues
2018-06-17 18:42 <Ubit> i did broke httptests once bc locally i did test it on .net4.7.1
2018-06-17 18:43 <Ubit> and did commit on lib targetting 4.7.1 by mistake :)
2018-06-17 22:05 <jsync> Note: I'm working on "VS (Virtual C System)" for Debian systems & an eventual DrakoiNux distribution of Linux. VS creates VS Object Folders, that are like 2d objects & can hold VS scripts that are programmed to utilize system features & designed similar to lsl or ossl script events & functions.
2018-06-17 22:07 <jsync> The desktop environment then becomes the users' artistic expression of a work environment. VS will be developed priori V2, which will create a 256sqm environment that utilizes 3d objects that function similar VS 2d objects & utilize VS script events & functions.
2018-06-17 22:07 <jsync> :D
2018-06-17 22:12 <jsync> Creating custom programs then becomes easy with VS. The vsWindow() function creates a window with default program window behavoir. With vsWindowLayer(), each vsWindow is treated like an object with various WindowLayer layers that act like linked object & fulfill functions with ease.
2018-06-17 22:14 <jsync> I'll write a comprehensive description of the project & project goals within the hughestek.com site at a later point upon further development.
2018-06-17 22:20 <jsync> The plan is, a text document that starts with "#!/bin/vs" gets identified as a VS object, & when it's within a folder, that folder gets identified & treated like a VS Folder. When a VS folder is clicked & has a touch() or touch_start() or touch_end() event functioncall, then it reacts to that event function call.
2018-06-17 22:21 <jsync> "#!/bin/vs" identifies a VS object script** I meant.
2018-06-17 22:23 <jsync> After the primary entry of "#!/bin/vs", a "//" is a script comment, & all the other behavoir is treated similar to the design concept of lsl & ossl.
2018-06-17 22:26 <Tampa> If I may, what does that have to do with OpenSim exactly?
2018-06-17 22:34 <jsync> Tampa, it's inspired of OpenSim. In fact, the point of the project is an abridgement between system & opensim in its' result.
2018-06-17 22:36 <jsync> Tampa, you might as well ask, "What does Onlook Viewer have to do with OpenSim?" Licus' goal is to make an OpenSim virtual world viewable with a browser module that behaves similar the Onlook Viewer project in itself. He wants to treat OpenSim like an art environment that people don't need a grid account to look at.
2018-06-17 22:38 <jsync> In fact, Licu is using people involved in the Onlook Viewer for the work they put into that so that he can use that work to make a Firefox Browser plugin that behaves the same way (I think that they're aware of that, & that doesn't mean that the viewer project is a bad idea, not actually).
2018-06-17 22:38 <jsync> Licu has talked about that goal for years.
2018-06-17 22:38 <jsync> (He's a cool guy.)
2018-06-17 22:39 <jsync> When Licu describes what he wants it seems vague. English is not his first language (though he's fluent with it). What he actually wants really is a good concept.
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2018-06-18 00:09 <osmantis> Bug #8329:04 WebUtil: Deserialization failures in LogAndDeserialize 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8329 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-06-18 00:12 <Ubit> we all libe in amerika.....  amerika ist wunderbar....
2018-06-18 00:12 <Ubit> errr ooops
2018-06-18 00:13 <Ubit> ok scared my cats.. damm
2018-06-18 00:17 <Plugh> hehe
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2018-06-18 19:58 <Tampa> Anyone happen to know where to find the code that handles the Parcel Access stuff, specifically the first couple settings "Anyone can visit, Must be 18 and Payment info" ?
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2018-06-19 00:50 <Plugh> Interesting problem. Warp3D map generation is throwing an exception while trying to decode a texture and that is crashing the OS instance or at least preventing it from starting.
2018-06-19 00:50 <Ubit> what version ?
2018-06-19 00:51 <Plugh> 0.9 master
2018-06-19 00:54 <Ubit> any idea of line numbers etc ?
2018-06-19 00:54 <Plugh> https://pastebin.com/Vf7KCLM3
2018-06-19 00:54 <Plugh> Unfortunately there doesn't appear to be any useful line number information .
2018-06-19 00:55 <Ubit> well if it says WARN  [WARP 3D IMAGE MODULE]: Failed to decode asset
2018-06-19 00:56 <Ubit> it did catched that exception
2018-06-19 00:56 <Ubit> so crash is not there
2018-06-19 00:56 <Plugh> It never gets past that point in the startup.
2018-06-19 00:57 <Ubit> you can try disable CSJ2K 
2018-06-19 00:58 <Ubit> using openjpeg
2018-06-19 00:59 <Ubit> UseCSJ2K = false
2018-06-19 00:59 <Ubit> in [Startup]
2018-06-19 01:03 <Ubit> outch i need to sleep :)
2018-06-19 01:09 <Plugh> Thanks. I'll set that to false and re-enable maptile generation and hope for the best. :)
2018-06-19 01:10 <Ubit> with warp off region starts fine?
2018-06-19 01:10 <Plugh> yup
2018-06-19 01:10 <Ubit> odd
2018-06-19 01:11 <Plugh> I tell it to not generate maptiles and the region starts fine. With it set to generate tiles the region never gets past that error message.
2018-06-19 01:11 <Ubit> can be elsewhere after that.. no idea
2018-06-19 01:11 <Plugh> 
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2018-06-19 01:12 <Plugh> Unfortunately the log files aren't of any real help.
2018-06-19 01:12 <Ubit> wel warp3d is very heavy...
2018-06-19 01:12 <Ubit> ( worse even on httptests now :( =
2018-06-19 01:12 <Plugh> I'm at the point of generating the map tile for the region. 
2018-06-19 01:12 <Plugh> Oh, btw, this is a 3x3.
2018-06-19 01:13 <Ubit> its prims meshs etc
2018-06-19 01:13 <Ubit> it gets them all, creates warp meshes for all things blabla
2018-06-19 01:14 <Ubit> that region used to do it fine in that time?
2018-06-19 01:14 <Plugh> Hm... perhaps its taking too long for it to generate the map image and it isn't responding properly while doing so. The grid management software thinks it crashed and is restarting the region.
2018-06-19 01:14 <Ubit> possible
2018-06-19 01:15 <Ubit> it can take ages :)
2018-06-19 01:15 <Plugh> From what you said, even longer in httptests. :P
2018-06-19 01:15 <Ubit> yeap.. bc httptests does a bit more now
2018-06-19 01:16 <Tampa> I been begging some folks from the gimp project to have a look at this stuff to see if there was anything they could do, but its been more like talking to a brick wall
2018-06-19 01:16 <Ubit> nad it is rendering without gpu and on managed code :)
2018-06-19 01:16 <Plugh> Tampa: You were talking with them about what?
2018-06-19 01:16 <Tampa> Creating or rebuilding the map generator so it stops being such a pain
2018-06-19 01:16 <Ubit> gimp does not do 3d
2018-06-19 01:17 <Ubit> blender does :p
2018-06-19 01:17 <Ubit> but blender can take DAYS lol
2018-06-19 01:17 <Plugh> The management software is restarting the region 2.5 minutes after it starts map image generation.
2018-06-19 01:17 <Plugh> Tampa: How would that be something for GIMP? GIMP doesn't understand 3D objects.
2018-06-19 01:17 <Ubit> bc it uses high quality raytracing
2018-06-19 01:17 <Ubit> well optionally
2018-06-19 01:18 <Plugh> Ubit, The region isn't starting as it is taking too long to start but I no longer get that exception message.
2018-06-19 01:18 <Tampa> Talking to blender and the like has been the same way think thats my first port of call, been running around trying to find someone to take a look at it wherever remote it could relate so far nothing
2018-06-19 01:19 <Tampa> Those capable of fixing this are also among those qualified enough to have a mountain of work to do
2018-06-19 01:19 <Ubit> what part of NO GPU, managed code you did not understud ?
2018-06-19 01:20 <Plugh> Where you having the discussions with the GIMP people in IRC, the mailing list, or in a bug report?
2018-06-19 01:20 <Plugh> That was for Tampa.
2018-06-19 01:20 <Ubit> plus fetching all assets .. generating meshes for prims, conveting sl meshs into warp..
2018-06-19 01:20 <Ubit> bahh
2018-06-19 01:20 <Plugh> Yea, it has a lot to do.
2018-06-19 01:21 <Ubit> processing textures also
2018-06-19 01:22 <Plugh> Tampa, I am part of the GIMP developer community. I don't recall seeing a reference to something to do with OpenSim in their discussion channels.
2018-06-19 01:22 <Ubit> with decode from jpeg2000  full size
2018-06-19 01:22 <Ubit> resize, ( generate mipmaps on httptests.. ) etc
2018-06-19 01:22 <Ubit> :)
2018-06-19 01:22 <Tampa> Oi at least I am trying to get wind into the project, fault me for trying why dont you. I emailed some of them or directly messaged them on irc, have not heard back from anything yet
2018-06-19 01:22 <Plugh> Ubit, I've turned off maptile generation for now. I'll change the region startup timeout and see how long it is taking to do the generation.
2018-06-19 01:23 <Ubit> map gen is something one should only do ocasionaly
2018-06-19 01:23 <Tampa> Warp3d can take 30 minutes to load up depending on complexity just fyi
2018-06-19 01:23 <Ubit> save it, and use the fixed jpeg
2018-06-19 01:23 <Plugh> Until fairly recently there was a lot of activity going on getting ready for the release of 2.10 
2018-06-19 01:24 <Ubit> you do test it now on httptests right tampa?
2018-06-19 01:25 <Tampa> I have been battling git patches all day, but yes I did update the regions that run it, but they are not complex enough to cause slow performance yet
2018-06-19 01:25 <Plugh> Ubit, does the map image generation block startup? If so, would it be possible to have it run in a thread so it doesn't block startup?
2018-06-19 01:25 <Ubit> for some reason ppl considered it needed bf login
2018-06-19 01:26 <Tampa> That would make more sense imo, have it run somewhere on its own, finish loading the region instead
2018-06-19 01:26 <Plugh> I wouldn't want to tell the management software to not attempt a region restart for 30 minutes.
2018-06-19 01:26 <Ubit> and also the way it does eat cpu and memoru.... yeack
2018-06-19 01:26 <Plugh> 
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2018-06-19 01:26 <Plugh> I'm glad Ubit fixed the white stripe that used to be down the right side of the map tiles
2018-06-19 01:27 <Tampa> I wonder if the generation process could be paused and resumed
2018-06-19 01:27 <Ubit> well and a bit more strips on edges
2018-06-19 01:27 <Tampa> Have it run in the background and suspend it as soon as an avatar wants to hop on, resume it on idle
2018-06-19 01:27 <Ubit> well it can be triggered by had later
2018-06-19 01:27 <Ubit> and then is multitask
2018-06-19 01:27 <Ubit> the comand generate map
2018-06-19 01:27 <Ubit> or similar
2018-06-19 01:28 <Plugh> RIght
2018-06-19 01:28 <Tampa> It would be a start for it to just not halt region startup and just continue to run in the background while the rest of the startup completes
2018-06-19 01:28 <Ubit> well as is is a nonsense
2018-06-19 01:29 <Ubit> it gets things from grid BEFORE grid allowed it to login
2018-06-19 01:29 <Ubit> grrr
2018-06-19 01:29 <Ubit> very odd concept no? :)
2018-06-19 01:30 <BillBlight> I did not see if you had turned off render meshes in warp ... I have seen a bad piece of mesh cause the older warp to blow up
2018-06-19 01:30 <Ubit> the option is there
2018-06-19 01:30 <Ubit> i think :p
2018-06-19 01:31 <Ubit> odd damm i should be sleeping hours ago :p
2018-06-19 01:31 <Ubit> have fun
2018-06-19 01:32 <Plugh> Dang. A grid owner asked about some red text they are often seeing. I lost track of where they showed me the errors. :P
2018-06-19 01:32 <Plugh> Found it.
2018-06-19 01:33 <Plugh> Aborted  threadfunc ### System.Threading.ThreadAbortException: Thread was being aborted.
2018-06-19 01:34 <Plugh> the "at" lines indicate it is something related to XBakesModule.
2018-06-19 01:35 <Tampa> any more to that?
2018-06-19 01:36 <Plugh> I was only given a screen capture of the messages. I'll get them to get me a proper text version so I can pastebin it.
2018-06-19 01:36 <Tampa> just stuff the picture onto imgur or something
2018-06-19 01:37 <Plugh> I will have to edit it first to cut out a grid specific URL.
2018-06-19 01:39 <Tampa> I had some issues with that rebake spam stuff with some of these mesh bodies you know that constant baking blah every second until they take it off, that same thing can crash a region if you got something really broken, though I have only had that once.
2018-06-19 01:40 <Plugh> https://imagebin.ca/v/45m4YJL7C4OE
2018-06-19 01:42 <Plugh> Another bunch of not very helpful error messages.
2018-06-19 01:43 <Tampa> So it just enabled logins and then died
2018-06-19 01:43 <Tampa> Thats... weird
2018-06-19 01:43 <Tampa> Try clearing out its asset cache and all that stuff, as stale as possible
2018-06-19 01:44 <Tampa> Fact it crashes without an avatar would suggest it is loading something or has something in cache it chokes on
2018-06-19 01:44 <Plugh> The image was named "happensalot". :)
2018-06-19 01:45 <Tampa> aka not specific to one simulator?
2018-06-19 01:47 <Plugh> I will have to ask how widespread of a problem it is.
2018-06-19 01:55 <Tampa> Reproduce, isolate, eliminate, or however that "basics of troubleshooting" phrase was again I cant remember
2018-06-19 01:56 <Tampa> thread terminates have become rare, last I had was with really broken mesh though
2018-06-19 01:56 <Tampa> but that would not produce an error in this thread
2018-06-19 02:00 <Plugh> I see lots of messages in the logs related to threadfunc but they are in white text so not a problem (I hope).
2018-06-19 02:04 <Tampa> Hm thats not normal though
2018-06-19 02:04 <Tampa> oh ah, check if the cpu clocksource is tsc
2018-06-19 02:12 <Plugh> tsc?
2018-06-19 02:13 <Tampa> Dont ask me what it means, its clocksource0 of the cpu, there are some other ones, basically if its not tsc lots of stuff starts to break
2018-06-19 02:13 <Plugh> Not my servers so I wouldn't know how to check.
2018-06-19 02:14 <Tampa> its in the proc or sys or something you can cat the file
2018-06-19 02:14 <Plugh> What about under Windows?
2018-06-19 02:14 <Tampa> oh thats out of my comfort zone entirely I run mainly linux
2018-06-19 02:15 <Plugh> Same here.
2018-06-19 02:15 <Plugh> I'll ask about how often the problem appears and if it appears in multiple regions.
2018-06-19 02:16 <Tampa> Other than the usual things like checking disk integrity, maybe test if .net is installed properly, server load oh and cpu states you should check some funky thing on windows with the cpu power up and down can cause issues, best to disable turbo and keep it at a locked speed
2018-06-19 21:03 <Ubit> oops i broke lbsa floor :)
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2018-06-20 12:54 <Timecop> hello any one here !
2018-06-20 12:58 <Tampa> Aye
2018-06-20 12:58 <Tampa> people are weird
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2018-06-20 17:40 <Aramis^> weird yes, at least lol
2018-06-20 20:35 <Plugh> git master and mono 5.2 still shows the problem of regions not shutting down properly. If that is a mono related problem will that go away if I update to a newer mono? Which version of mono "fixes" the problem?
2018-06-20 20:35 <Tampa> Try 5.4.1, but that should be fixed now anyways so thats a bit odd
2018-06-20 20:37 <Tampa> Did you remove and purge the old version?
2018-06-20 20:37 <Plugh> old version of mono?
2018-06-20 20:37 <Tampa> yeah
2018-06-20 20:38 <Tampa> shut down all the simulators and things then purge mono and install from 5.4.1 snapshot, build using that and it should work
2018-06-20 20:38 <Plugh> No mono is installed via system packages. It is custom built from source and installed to a directory under /opt.
2018-06-20 20:38 <Tampa> Why?
2018-06-20 20:39 <Plugh> What do you mean "why"? It allows me to choose which version of mono will be used.
2018-06-20 20:39 <Tampa> So does using apt
2018-06-20 20:41 <Plugh> That will only give me the version the distro currently makes available.
2018-06-20 20:42 <Tampa> I...
2018-06-20 20:42 <Tampa> Just add the mono repo
2018-06-20 20:43 <Tampa> http://www.mono-project.com/download/stable/#download-lin
2018-06-20 20:43 <Plugh> I could do that but this allows me to also avoid the bad versions I might otherwise get.
2018-06-20 20:43 <Tampa> That's why you use snapshot instead of stable
2018-06-20 20:44 <Tampa> deb http://download.mono-project.com/repo/debian/ wheezy/snapshots/5.4.1 main
2018-06-20 20:45 <Plugh> Why 5.4 instead of 5.12.0 which is latest stable?
2018-06-20 20:45 <Tampa> 5.10 had memory leaks so I went back to that version, I have not tried the latest stable yet either
2018-06-20 20:45 <Plugh> ok
2018-06-20 20:46 <Plugh> I have enough leak issues with Robust. I don't need any more with mono. :)
2018-06-20 20:47 <Tampa> It should not matter much, in fact technically the issue you have should no longer be a thing as master and httptests both have the changes needed for mono to properly terminate the threads so that is why I am suggesting to replicate what I run, since I do not have that issue, just to try and rule out as many variables as possible you know
2018-06-20 20:48 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2018-06-20 20:54 <Plugh> Tampa: Thanks. I'll get 5.4 in place and recompile OS and see what happens.
2018-06-20 20:57 <Plugh> oh, right. That's the problem I found with using git to get mono. They don't have (almost) any 5.x branches marked.
2018-06-20 21:10 <Plugh> Time to go for a walk before dinner.
2018-06-20 21:10 <Plugh> bbl
2018-06-21 00:02 <Tampa> So Plugh it is best to try and approach this as simple as possible meaning grab the precompiled dependencies and so on and work from there in case of issues instead of compiling everything. I tried that, hoping I could get some improvements from compiling stuff on hardware, but that's not a thing, at least not with OpenSim.
2018-06-21 00:04 <Tampa> I run Ubuntu 16.04 and mono 5.4.1 from repo and compile OpenSim + patches on that, it's been working fine so far, so I can recommend that approach.
2018-06-21 00:05 <Tampa> Compiling dependencies just causes more issues, libgdiplus for example likes to fail when creating mono. Just not worth the effort. The times of compiling on hardware causing a performance increase are mostly over.
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2018-06-21 09:42 <Bonob0h> hi all is the bento avatar on sl, does bento techno work in opensim?
2018-06-21 09:43 <Ubit> its mostly viewer side, so yes
2018-06-21 09:45 <Bonob0h> I think too ... a viewer side ... but I wanted to confirm that there's no "server" part.
2018-06-21 09:45 <Bonob0h> have a good day
2018-06-21 09:46 <Ubit> u 2
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2018-06-21 20:50 <Ubit> damm another thunder storm on horizont
2018-06-21 20:51 <Ubit> thos things love to blow up our crap power grid
2018-06-21 20:54 <Ubit> well lightning is pretty
2018-06-21 20:55 <Ubit> there far on horizon :)
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2018-06-22 19:27 <Plugh> Searching for a region works based on the start of the name. You can't type in a later word in a region name and find it. Is this a viewer problem or an OS code issue? Its a constant minor PITA that I'd like to fix if it is OS code side.
2018-06-22 19:33 <Tampa> Honestly not sure how that works, but what's interesting is special characters like dots also break that function
2018-06-22 19:34 <Plugh> It is a long standing problem if you want to search for a place on the map by the second word. You can't. 
2018-06-22 19:34 <Plugh> I'll have to do some digging on that. Probably time to break out WGP.
2018-06-22 19:35 <Tampa> A.B.C cannot be found when searching for the exact match either
2018-06-22 19:35 <Plugh> Tampa, if dots and other special characters break search that would indicate a problem in how the search term is being passed.
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2018-06-22 19:37 <Tampa> its simulator side
2018-06-22 19:37 <Tampa> so its OpenSim code
2018-06-22 19:37 <Plugh> ok, good. That means it can be (easily?) fixed.
2018-06-22 19:38 <Plugh> First step is working out what message/cap is used to pass the search term.
2018-06-22 19:38 <Tampa>  SEND 88874: SCOPEID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&NAME=pom&MAX=20&METHOD=get_regions_by_name
2018-06-22 19:39 <Tampa> result comes back through land management module
2018-06-22 19:39 <Plugh> I see there is a file called MapSearchModule.cs so that's as good a place as any to start.
2018-06-22 19:40 <Plugh> Tampa, cool. How did you get that so quickly?
2018-06-22 19:42 <Plugh> It seems the next stop is m_scene.GridService.GetRegionsByName().
2018-06-22 19:49 <Plugh> I think I see where the code needs to be changed to search for a region name by other than a string that is at the start of the region name.
2018-06-22 19:50 <Plugh> The code adds the trailing '%' but doesn't put one at the start of the search term.
2018-06-22 20:06 <Tampa> debug http all 6 sends a lot of info about what goes on in the background, all the xml being sent back and forth, really useful to get some deeper understanding of where something might fail
2018-06-22 20:06 <Tampa> periods in the name seem to trigger the HG system as it thinks its a hypergrid url from the looks of it
2018-06-22 20:08 <Plugh> That's a different issue. I don't have an HG setup for testing.
2018-06-22 20:08 <Plugh> bbl.
2018-06-22 20:34 <Ubit> dots are valid on region names?
2018-06-22 20:35 <Ubit> don't thing so..
2018-06-22 20:35 <Ubit> or think
2018-06-22 20:35 <Ubit> a.c.b.c is a HG url
2018-06-22 20:47 <BillBlight> I would think anything that is a valid url delimiter such as . / : you would not want to be valid in region names anyway
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2018-06-22 23:42 <Ubit> that was the wrong cable tampa
2018-06-22 23:42 <Tampa> hexchat just sucks
2018-06-23 02:20 <Tampa> Have there been changes to LightShare recently, without changing configs my regions are throwing errors it's not enabled?
2018-06-23 03:10 <Tampa> Unchecking "Anyone can visit" in parcel access appears to not check for allowed avatars or groups, does not physically lock avatars out, but disables chat and spams messages.
2018-06-23 11:17 <Ubit> did you add allowed avatars or groups ?
2018-06-23 11:20 <Ubit> "Anyone can visit" is not a independet flag, works with "allow only residents and groups listed below"
2018-06-23 11:21 <Ubit> and seems working
2018-06-23 22:12 <Ubit> damm viewers.. mesh upload seems to be a lot worse now
2018-06-23 22:12 <Ubit> on a test case i had to use kokua 4.2.1 to upload it, FS and alchemy jsut stayed there burning cpu going no where
2018-06-23 22:13 <Ubit> SL viewer was damm fast..
2018-06-23 22:13 <Ubit> ( but region did refuse that mesh.. lol )
2018-06-23 22:15 <Ubit> well good it did.. im out of  L$ :)
2018-06-23 22:23 <Tampa> I keep getting that physics block missing error even if I supply one from file, not sure why
2018-06-23 22:23 <Ubit> convex hull
2018-06-23 22:23 <Ubit> guess viewer messed up
2018-06-23 22:24 <Ubit> bc that is a mandatory block on all meshes
2018-06-23 22:24 <Ubit> and its basicly the only check regions do
2018-06-23 22:24 <Ubit> SL does a ton of checks
2018-06-23 22:25 <Ubit> ( and pre cooks information for havoc also )
2018-06-23 22:25 <Ubit> and other uses...
2018-06-23 22:39 <BillBlight> hey is there a limit to how high warp will draw?  Maybe there should be ... LOL
2018-06-23 22:39 <Ubit> yeap but not really checked
2018-06-23 22:39 <BillBlight> showing skyboxes and build platforms is not ideal
2018-06-23 22:39 <Ubit> i did raise the camera a lot
2018-06-23 22:39 <Ubit> it was has low as 256m
2018-06-23 22:39 <Ubit> now its 4km
2018-06-23 22:39 <BillBlight> maybe it should be a config option
2018-06-23 22:40 <Ubit> it does have a few issues..
2018-06-23 22:40 <Ubit> messes up zbuffers
2018-06-23 22:41 <BillBlight> just switched a few regions on and they look like crap because people have build platforms and such, and I know they are above 3k
2018-06-23 22:41 <Ubit> warp like many things bf gpus uses fixed point arith
2018-06-23 22:41 <Ubit> not float
2018-06-23 22:41 <Ubit> believe it or not floats are worse on graphics :)
2018-06-23 22:41 <BillBlight> well I may have to neuter it to bring it down to below 3k
2018-06-23 22:42 <Ubit> the raw power of GPUs overcomes those issues..
2018-06-23 22:46 <BillBlight> yep 4096
2018-06-23 22:51 <BillBlight> pulled it all the way back down to 1024 we'll see what happens
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2018-06-26 17:45 <Ubit> hmm isn't today one of those meeting days?
2018-06-26 17:50 <Ubit> it IS!! AWAKE UP! 
2018-06-26 17:50 <Ubit> :)
2018-06-26 17:52 <Plugh> oh, right. So it is.
2018-06-26 17:53 <Plugh> Here I was thinking of going for a walk soon. :P
2018-06-26 17:53 <Ubit> only me and sheera there now :(
2018-06-26 17:55 <Plugh> Still 6 minutes to go.
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2018-06-27 07:35 <Bonob0h> hi all ... question : can we assign the god mode to several avatars 
2018-06-27 07:40 <BillBlight> set their userlevel above 200 they are gods
2018-06-27 07:40 <BillBlight> as long as you have gridgods enabled
2018-06-27 07:42 <Bonob0h> ok thanks ;)
2018-06-27 07:48 <BillBlight> The  other way to do it is , is if you only want it per region , is set, region_manager_is_god = true, and make them a manager
2018-06-27 07:50 <Bonob0h> ok
2018-06-27 07:51 <Bonob0h> about regions. What are all the information possibilities to put in the region.ini files?
2018-06-27 07:51 <Bonob0h> is there a list of possibilities somewhere? 
2018-06-27 07:59 <Tampa> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Configuring_Regions
2018-06-27 07:59 <BillBlight> [Permissions]
2018-06-27 07:59 <BillBlight>     allow_grid_gods = true
2018-06-27 07:59 <BillBlight>     region_owner_is_god = true
2018-06-27 07:59 <BillBlight>     region_manager_is_god = false
2018-06-27 07:59 <BillBlight>     parcel_owner_is_god = false
2018-06-27 07:59 <BillBlight>     simple_build_permissions = false
2018-06-27 07:59 <BillBlight> 	automatic_gods = false
2018-06-27 07:59 <BillBlight> not in the region ini
2018-06-27 07:59 <BillBlight> in the instance ini
2018-06-27 08:00 <BillBlight> such as opensim.ini, GridCommin.ini
2018-06-27 08:04 <Bonob0h> ok .. there's no water level, for example? 
2018-06-27 08:04 <Bonob0h> Am I wrong or were some features that were for versions before 0.8 or 0.9 removed? 
2018-06-27 08:06 <Tampa> water level cannot be set via ini, only inworld and through the database before startup
2018-06-27 08:07 <Bonob0h> ok ... thnks
2018-06-27 08:09 <Bonob0h> the need would be the height of water at 100 m for the grid as much as for all the regions. it is necessary to see in the database of the grid and each region? 
2018-06-27 08:13 <Tampa> The standard water level is 20 because the water outside the region as rendered by the viewer is also at 20, so setting it higher looks a bit odd depending on what viewer is used. You would need to either set this using the database or manually change it for each region. Thing is, estate managers and estate owners can change the water level later on anyways if they like. Only other option would be to change the defaults used in the code.
2018-06-27 08:21 <BillBlight> it can also be done from the console with set water height
2018-06-27 08:25 <Bonob0h> the idea is that the whole grid and regions are 100m away to benefit from more interesting seabeds.
2018-06-27 08:25 <Bonob0h> whe look that 
2018-06-27 08:29 <BillBlight> you could most likely accomplish the same thing by setting the water to 0 and using a water like windlight, unless your scripts depend on actual waterlevel detection, but I can see how having 100m depth water with the appropriate shaders could look cool
2018-06-27 13:10 <Bonob0h> BillBlight yes one of the goal is also depending on the scripts like scuba diving with landings, etc. 
2018-06-27 13:11 <Bonob0h> landing / step 
2018-06-27 13:12 <Bonob0h> 20 m is an abatement ? 
2018-06-27 13:12 <Bonob0h> aberration ?
2018-06-27 17:36 <Ubit> terrain has limited range by ll design
2018-06-27 17:36 <Ubit> so water level
2018-06-27 17:37 <Ubit> basic terrain range is 0 - 256m 
2018-06-27 17:38 <Ubit> nad if 2 steep texturing mb not that nice also
2018-06-27 17:39 <Ubit> the 4 by level textures was also more or less tuned for that range
2018-06-27 17:39 <Ubit> so... water at 20m is reasonable
2018-06-27 17:40 <Ubit> good for all those tropical islands where most are at sand doing...well things or little sucaba diving
2018-06-27 17:41 <Ubit> not made for Everest climb simulation or Mariana Trench diving
2018-06-27 17:44 <Ubit> err underwater light shaders are also limited i guess
2018-06-27 21:03 <Tampa> I wonder if you set terrain to -100, you can walk on that no? Just broken shader in the viewer I think
2018-06-27 21:03 <Ubit> you can
2018-06-27 21:03 <Ubit> if you are good walking blind :p
2018-06-27 21:04 <Tampa> Yeah wonder what FS would respond to submitting that as bug report hehe
2018-06-27 21:04 <Ubit> well you could if we allowed -100 :)
2018-06-27 21:05 <Tampa> Pretty sure I set -40 on one of my regions before
2018-06-27 21:05 <Ubit> sl was created mainly with social life in mind..
2018-06-27 21:06 <Ubit> social life at top of everest is a bit hard...
2018-06-27 21:06 <Ubit> and the legacy clouds all fly at 200m right?
2018-06-27 21:08 <Tampa> who still has those lol
2018-06-27 21:08 <Tampa> anyways -100 on land works, just cannot walk on it it seems, wonder if thats physics engine dependent
2018-06-27 21:08 <Ubit> they where nice you could fly on them
2018-06-27 21:09 <Ubit> hmm think ubode lower limit is around -100, but not sure
2018-06-27 21:09 <Tampa> this is running ubode, lowest seems 0
2018-06-27 21:10 <Ubit> dont remember
2018-06-27 21:11 <Tampa> aha, turn basic shaders off and you can see all the way to the bottom, just cant walk there
2018-06-27 21:12 <Tampa> Could make the lower limit -256 or something then we just bug Bill to dig into FS code to disable the right shader :D
2018-06-27 21:12 <Ubit> yes but that kills a lot of the good shaders
2018-06-27 21:13 <Ubit> if(value.Z < -100f)
2018-06-27 21:13 <Ubit>                     {
2018-06-27 21:13 <Ubit>                         value.Z = m_parent_scene.GetTerrainHeightAtXY(127,127) + 5;
2018-06-27 21:13 <Ubit>                     }
2018-06-27 21:14 <Ubit> hmm don't ask why that spot, guess that cames from old ode :)
2018-06-27 21:15 <Tampa> I mean if only that shader that makes stuff invisible were fixed or removed that could work, though I have no idea how any of those work
2018-06-27 21:16 <Ubit> i see no more restrictions on avatars other than terrain height of course
2018-06-27 21:18 <Tampa> https://i.imgur.com/aMYVnfx.png
2018-06-27 21:19 <Ubit> your things are odd we know :p
2018-06-27 21:19 <Tampa> Had to edit the damn water cause it was so murky lol
2018-06-27 21:22 <Tampa> estate settings say lower limit and upper limit 100, but not like it obeys that it seems
2018-06-27 21:31 <Ubit> ok the terrain sent to ubode is limited to zero
2018-06-27 21:32 <Ubit> hmm odd why we see it lower
2018-06-27 21:34 <Ubit>                   if (val < 0.0f)
2018-06-27 21:34 <Ubit>                         val = 0.0f; // no neg terrain as in chode
2018-06-27 21:34 <Ubit> xii chode that is old
2018-06-27 21:35 <Tampa> I leave you to ponder on that I need sleep now
2018-06-27 21:35 <Ubit> well oficial limitation is 0m
2018-06-27 21:35 <Ubit> but should not be down to physics engine
2018-06-27 21:37 <Plugh> I remember some (not quite heated) discussions quite some time back about the lower limit for land. I don't remember who it was that wanted something lower. Oh, it was someone who had a region that had a model of the Titanic in the water.
2018-06-27 21:37 <Ubit> yes it is zero on some tools
2018-06-27 21:37 <Ubit> seems not on terrain fill
2018-06-27 21:48 <Ubit> yeah shaders get really bad at 0
2018-06-27 22:15 <Ubit> mays ?? bahh
2018-06-27 22:15 <Ubit> ok there goes bill break his FS clone :p
2018-06-27 22:16 <Ubit> or get lost on openGL :)
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2018-06-28 05:29 <Tampa> Ima bug FS about it, should be fun
2018-06-28 07:26 <Tampa> https://jira.phoenixviewer.com/browse/FIRE-22703
2018-06-28 07:26 <Tampa> Done, brace for impact :D
2018-06-28 08:53 <Ubit> yeah good luck with that
2018-06-28 08:55 <Ubit> Assuming this is the same for SL and OpenSim. SL is > 0 period
2018-06-28 08:55 <Ubit> messed "" there :)
2018-06-28 08:56 <Ubit> missed
2018-06-28 08:58 <Ubit> the shader should do something under water, to simulate light penetration and color change
2018-06-28 08:59 <Ubit> just possible should only do it on a range below water level, say 20m
2018-06-28 08:59 <Ubit> below that keep keep same "darker" mode
2018-06-28 09:00 <Ubit> or 50.. something
2018-06-28 09:01 <Ubit> those corals on tropical islands have tons of light and color underwater
2018-06-28 09:01 <Ubit> mb 30m or more under ??
2018-06-28 09:02 <Tampa> they should just move it down imo, may be the easiest option
2018-06-28 09:02 <Ubit> nahhh waht i said is easy
2018-06-28 09:02 <Ubit> i possible even know where it is on viewers code :)
2018-06-28 09:03 <Ubit> just opengl part yeack
2018-06-28 11:40 <VinnyB> Good morning all.  I am having a major issue here with my region.  I tried rezz somthing out and it went into some sort of loop.  Non stop and lagging the region.  https://gyazo.com/17535209c34995c9c224e9232caa2ad6
2018-06-28 11:40 <VinnyB> Any ideas?
2018-06-28 11:40 <VinnyB> A reset did not help
2018-06-28 11:49 <Ubit> try disable Xengine on ini
2018-06-28 11:49 <Ubit> and evnetualy select the dummy physics engine
2018-06-28 11:51 <VinnyB> Ok well just trying one more restart and se what happens.  Seems to have started when I rezzed somthing from my inventory.
2018-06-28 11:51 <VinnyB> Let me log in and see if I am the one triggering this mess.
2018-06-28 11:51 <VinnyB> It's stable now but I am not logged in yet
2018-06-28 11:51 <Ubit> anything on console ?
2018-06-28 11:54 <VinnyB> Started again as soon as I logged
2018-06-28 11:54 <VinnyB> Someting to do with me logging in.
2018-06-28 11:56 <VinnyB> https://gyazo.com/135578730480180ea72826fc30e509e8    as soon as I log in
2018-06-28 11:58 <VinnyB> Ok where do I disable this in the Opensim.ini ?
2018-06-28 12:00 <VinnyB> XEngine is not enabled remmed out    ;# {Enabled} {} {Enable the XEngine scripting engine?} {true false} true     ;; Enable this engine in this OpenSim instance     ; Enabled = true
2018-06-28 12:01 <Ubit> Enabled = false  uncomments
2018-06-28 12:01 <Ubit> Enabled = false  uncommented
2018-06-28 12:02 <VinnyB> XEngine]     ;# {Enabled} {} {Enable the XEngine scripting engine?} {true false} true     ;; Enable this engine in this OpenSim instance      Enabled = false
2018-06-28 12:04 <VinnyB> OK took the rem off and set to false
2018-06-28 12:04 <VinnyB> crazy thing this started as soon as I tried to rezz something
2018-06-28 12:05 <VinnyB> Ok all settled  lets see what happens as soon as I log in.
2018-06-28 12:08 <VinnyB> Ok now I can't log in.  Login failed
2018-06-28 12:09 <VinnyB> Nope  5 tries and it won't let me log in there now
2018-06-28 12:10 <Ubit> what does console say ?
2018-06-28 12:10 <Ubit> ( or robust console also )
2018-06-28 12:10 <VinnyB> http://prntscr.com/k0dbz0
2018-06-28 12:11 <VinnyB> I was able to log into the grid but not into the region as last location.
2018-06-28 12:11 <Ubit> i see what it is
2018-06-28 12:11 <VinnyB> http://prntscr.com/k0dcik
2018-06-28 12:12 <Ubit> yes i know
2018-06-28 12:12 <VinnyB> let me reset that Xengine
2018-06-28 12:12 <Ubit> wait
2018-06-28 12:12 <VinnyB> ok
2018-06-28 12:13 <VinnyB> Console crashed off line  restarting now
2018-06-28 12:13 <Ubit> what version is opensim?
2018-06-28 12:13 <VinnyB> .8x
2018-06-28 12:14 <Ubit> YEACCCKK
2018-06-28 12:14 <VinnyB> Trying to get him to update that. I think he is afraid it will break what is set up there now.
2018-06-28 12:15 <Ubit> [RegionReady]
2018-06-28 12:15 <Ubit>     ; Enable this module to get notified once all items and scripts in the region have been completely loaded and compiled
2018-06-28 12:15 <Ubit>     enabled = true
2018-06-28 12:15 <VinnyB> Nope  as soon as that xengine was uncommented
2018-06-28 12:16 <Ubit> if that section is not on ini add it
2018-06-28 12:16 <Ubit> then with enabled = false
2018-06-28 12:16 <VinnyB> Hang on let me pastebin this mess
2018-06-28 12:16 <Ubit> and also login_disable = false
2018-06-28 12:17 <Ubit> on same section
2018-06-28 12:17 <Ubit> its a damm old bug
2018-06-28 12:17 <Ubit> hmm that we may still have.. hope not
2018-06-28 12:17 <Ubit> ( revert this when you enable Xengine again
2018-06-28 12:18 <Ubit> ( this is why logins fail now without script engine )
2018-06-28 12:18 <VinnyB> Well the dam ting is that a friend gets a pair of jeans, she said they don't add to her so I try them  same issue.  Next I tried to rezz them on the ground and POOF  a loop was created and no rezzed jeans
2018-06-28 12:19 <Ubit> hmm fear that does not sound like related to scripts
2018-06-28 12:19 <Ubit> but test
2018-06-28 12:19 <Ubit> have other avatar ?
2018-06-28 12:20 <Ubit> ( a almost naked one :p )
2018-06-28 12:20 <Ubit> ( we should always have a ultra simple avatar with god powers )
2018-06-28 12:21 <VinnyB> https://pastebin.com/rYSEdR7g
2018-06-28 12:21 <VinnyB> Nope just this avi but I can force noob look
2018-06-28 12:22 <Ubit> add that session ( you should find it at OpenSimDefaults.ini also )
2018-06-28 12:23 <Ubit> ( this mb also a nice time to test opensim 0.9x :p )
2018-06-28 12:24 <VinnyB> Well that was no good  no noob reset in opensim via firestorm.  Duh  I should have known better .  I do support for the viewer and that is an SL call.
2018-06-28 12:24 <VinnyB> Ok went naked and see if that dam pair of jeans that I can't see was the cause
2018-06-28 12:27 <VinnyB> ok this is not good.
2018-06-28 12:27 <VinnyB> taking forever to contact region  (TP there)   http://prntscr.com/k0djla
2018-06-28 12:28 <VinnyB> http://prntscr.com/k0dk5m
2018-06-28 12:28 <VinnyB> Crap
2018-06-28 12:28 <VinnyB> all that work out the window
2018-06-28 12:28 <VinnyB> http://prntscr.com/k0dkdv
2018-06-28 12:28 <Ubit> the region did start now witout xengine?
2018-06-28 12:29 <Ubit> damm scroll up does not work there :p
2018-06-28 12:29 <VinnyB> yes but could not log in.   OK  I got there now
2018-06-28 12:29 <Ubit> well try log again
2018-06-28 12:29 <VinnyB> Now that's a new one .  never saw that before.   http://prntscr.com/k0dkyg
2018-06-28 12:30 <Ubit> :)
2018-06-28 12:30 <VinnyB> I'm there but not rezzed    http://prntscr.com/k0dkyg
2018-06-28 12:30 <Ubit> well restart it, give it time to start then retry
2018-06-28 12:31 <VinnyB> http://prntscr.com/k0dlgv
2018-06-28 12:31 <Ubit> m_scene is null ? thats funny
2018-06-28 12:32 <VinnyB> funny good or bad?
2018-06-28 12:32 <Ubit> bad :p
2018-06-28 12:32 <VinnyB> great 
2018-06-28 12:32 <VinnyB> So do I scrap the whole thing now?
2018-06-28 12:32 <Ubit> but did you got in or not ?
2018-06-28 12:33 <VinnyB> i got in but I never rezzed
2018-06-28 12:33 <Ubit> can see things ?
2018-06-28 12:33 <VinnyB> yep
2018-06-28 12:33 <Ubit> those jeans ?
2018-06-28 12:33 <VinnyB> Always seeing things  even in RL   lol
2018-06-28 12:33 <VinnyB> nope
2018-06-28 12:33 <VinnyB> no jeans
2018-06-28 12:33 <Ubit> uff
2018-06-28 12:34 <Ubit> you did rez them or groud or did wear them ?
2018-06-28 12:34 <VinnyB> tried to wear firs then on the ground  and nothing there noting in search objsct
2018-06-28 12:34 <VinnyB> object
2018-06-28 12:35 <Ubit> hmm
2018-06-28 12:35 <Ubit> well does not sound like script issue
2018-06-28 12:35 <VinnyB> http://prntscr.com/k0dnq8   temp grid in the water
2018-06-28 12:35 <Ubit> so revert this last changes .. put Xengine back online
2018-06-28 12:35 <VinnyB> It has never been on line that I know of
2018-06-28 12:36 <VinnyB> The pastebin I posted is the orig ini
2018-06-28 12:36 <Ubit> put xengine back
2018-06-28 12:36 <Ubit> since that 0.8 does not live will without it, it seems
2018-06-28 12:36 <VinnyB> Ok never was but then I can't log in then
2018-06-28 12:37 <Ubit> and get a Very basic avatar to try login
2018-06-28 12:37 <Ubit> other..
2018-06-28 12:37 <VinnyB> what is in the XEngine area is the original settings.  
2018-06-28 12:37 <Ubit> you want to put back Enable = true
2018-06-28 12:38 <VinnyB> It is  and still remmed out per orig
2018-06-28 12:38 <Ubit> ?
2018-06-28 12:38 <VinnyB> There must have been a reason that he did that.  not sure.  let me relog and see if I rezz
2018-06-28 12:38 <Ubit> and remove the refioReady things you added
2018-06-28 12:39 <Ubit> remmed means active
2018-06-28 12:39 <VinnyB> I haven't added anything to the ini.  I set it back to the orig.  Hang on let me see what happens here 
2018-06-28 12:40 <VinnyB> Gezze  no wonder why I can't see myself   
2018-06-28 12:40 <VinnyB> han gon
2018-06-28 12:40 <Ubit> han solo was there? :p
2018-06-28 12:42 <VinnyB> Ok this is a nightmare.  Now I can't tp out of the region.  The pop up http://prntscr.com/k0dqy7
2018-06-28 12:42 <VinnyB> and this is after messing with that XEngine line which is back to the orig setting
2018-06-28 12:43 <VinnyB> brb  
2018-06-28 12:46 <VinnyB> back
2018-06-28 12:47 <VinnyB> The looping stopped so apparently it was the rezzed jeans no I can't get in there ptoperly now.  Guess I need to make another avi.
2018-06-28 12:48 <VinnyB> properly 
2018-06-28 12:50 <VinnyB> OK this is totally nuts, it is me causing the loop
2018-06-28 12:50 <Ubit> got in with other avatar ?
2018-06-28 12:50 <VinnyB> Nope
2018-06-28 12:51 <VinnyB> Crap let me create one
2018-06-28 12:53 <VinnyB> Yep as soon as I left the loop stopped   https://gyazo.com/c5e98ca7a4bd4aeb1a4d1c495af9e1a7
2018-06-28 12:53 <VinnyB> http://prntscr.com/k0dwso
2018-06-28 12:54 <Ubit> ohh that is map
2018-06-28 12:54 <Ubit> using FS ?
2018-06-28 12:54 <VinnyB> Yep and that is what is looping   But now it is stable witn me not there
2018-06-28 12:54 <VinnyB> Yes  always
2018-06-28 12:54 <Ubit> do not do ZOOM on fs map
2018-06-28 12:55 <Ubit> not on 0.8 regions
2018-06-28 12:55 <VinnyB> Meaning cam out or zoom in
2018-06-28 12:55 <Ubit> both
2018-06-28 12:55 <Ubit> leave it with the default
2018-06-28 12:55 <VinnyB> hmmm never had that issue untill now with that clothing.
2018-06-28 12:56 <VinnyB> Let me relog now and see if I trigger the loop again
2018-06-28 12:56 <Ubit> well some FS versions did a huge spam on some zoom levels
2018-06-28 12:56 <VinnyB> Working on a new avi
2018-06-28 12:59 <VinnyB> Crap  I triggered it again   https://gyazo.com/95944b68421855b2fa101ee43c612d60
2018-06-28 12:59 <VinnyB> Crazy thing is that I went to a different outfit so that pair of broken jeans should not even be there.
2018-06-28 13:00 <VinnyB> World Map Module loop
2018-06-28 13:01 <Ubit> there should be no relation no
2018-06-28 13:02 <VinnyB> True, but as soon as I leave the region, no loop
2018-06-28 13:02 <Ubit> that is req by viewer
2018-06-28 13:03 <VinnyB> I know this is a long shot let me clear my cache incase it is corupted
2018-06-28 13:14 <VinnyB> Yep   Cache cleared and no loop, but No mesh Avi  just clothes   Very interesting 
2018-06-28 13:21 <VinnyB> Well that was an interesting learning curve
2018-06-28 13:29 <Ubit> those can take ages 
2018-06-28 13:30 <VinnyB> So something to place in the archives.  Bad cache causing to pull map info 
2018-06-28 13:31 <Ubit> don't see direct relation
2018-06-28 13:32 <VinnyB> Well as soon as I cleared it th eloop stopped.   My avi is messed up but I am there with no loop along with my Vinny CrashTestDummy  new avi   yeah that is his name
2018-06-28 13:34 <VinnyB> It should have no  correlation between the two, I agree , but it is odd that it fixed the issue.......   for now as soon as I can geyt my body to show.
2018-06-28 13:34 <Ubit> well oen something is messed up who knows what happens
2018-06-28 13:36 <VinnyB> If you don't mind would you take a look at that opensim.ini from pastebin and see if that thing is properly set up.  Just have my thoughts on that setting.
2018-06-28 13:39 <Ubit> im busy now :(
2018-06-28 13:40 <Ubit> just talking here trying to help i middle of work :)
2018-06-28 13:40 <VinnyB> ahh ok   
2018-06-28 13:42 <VinnyB> Well thanks for the help then.   I am trying to find someone soon to TeamViewer into this server to see if this thing is right.   I did find a offsite server for $ 10 US a month I may try out.  I just want to make sure this is set up properly before I rent this server and move it all there.  Efficiency is a must before the move
2018-06-28 13:46 <VinnyB> SOB   I am causing the loop again   This is totally crazy.
2018-06-28 13:56 <Ubit> your main avatar with those jeans ?
2018-06-28 13:57 <Ubit> wel unrelated but clear the viewer cache also
2018-06-28 14:01 <VinnyB> Yep  been there and done that and no t-shirt at the moment   naked
2018-06-28 14:02 <Ubit> jeans you wear jeans as t-shirts ? :p
2018-06-28 14:04 <VinnyB> I completely removed that Jeans folder and cleared it from the trash.   I even reset the Inventory cache 
2018-06-28 14:04 <VinnyB> And i am stil lcausing a loop
2018-06-28 14:04 <Ubit> map one?
2018-06-28 14:04 <VinnyB> I have no idea if I am causing that on any other simulators  no way of knowing
2018-06-28 14:05 <VinnyB> https://gyazo.com/9da9fef4f7baa996e1f6a8838789e0da
2018-06-28 14:05 <VinnyB> This is driving me totally crazy
2018-06-28 14:37 <VinnyB> Ubit  Should that World Map Module trigger each time I add someting to myself?  I was stripped down to a classic Avi and no issues, but each time I add something it is triggered.
2018-06-28 14:37 <VinnyB> It triggers, but no loop.  Trying to figure what is bad in the inventory
2018-06-28 14:39 <Ubit> viewers decide that
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2018-06-28 15:08 <Plugh> Here is a C# question. If you create a new object inside { } does dispose get called on the object automatically when you leave the confines of the { } block?
2018-06-28 15:23 <VinnyB> I am going to go bit by bit of the inventory and hopefully weed out waht went bad in there.  As for the viewer, if this looop starts again when I hit that bad object  I am at that point going to log out and go directly to another viewer.  If it is Firestorm I will create a JIRA pointing the issue out.
2018-06-28 15:56 <Tampa> Don't bother with FS today they seem in a bad mood... as usual
2018-06-28 16:32 <VinnyB> Tampa   I do support for FS.  Not the usual Support person though.  I go direct IM with the user.
2018-06-28 16:33 <Ubit> you are a fs dev?
2018-06-28 16:34 <VinnyB> And Trust me !!!    Homie Don't play Dat......   Of I get lip from Support or the Devs, I will shove it sidways up their arse if the attitude is not justified.
2018-06-28 16:35 <VinnyB> No not a dev, but they listen.
2018-06-28 16:35 <Ubit> well ansariel to all opensim sin issues is not all the same
2018-06-28 16:35 <Ubit> *f** opensim
2018-06-28 16:35 <VinnyB> Nope   
2018-06-28 16:35 <Ubit> that she says in other words
2018-06-28 16:36 <VinnyB> Yes I get that attitude from the Deves and I say, cut the BS.  This is another outlet for the Viewer so piss off with the attitude.
2018-06-28 16:37 <VinnyB> I was the one that got them to add a few of the Grids to that list. 
2018-06-28 16:37 <Ubit> well actually this time tampa fooled em
2018-06-28 16:37 <Ubit> me
2018-06-28 16:37 <Ubit> her answer was diferent lol
2018-06-28 16:38 <Ubit> hmm /me kicks tampa
2018-06-28 16:38 <Ubit> speak clear man
2018-06-28 16:38 <Tampa> I don't get paid enough for this shit /s
2018-06-28 16:38 <Ubit> she asked why opensim needs <0 just tell her users want it..
2018-06-28 16:39 <Tampa> Like that'll work
2018-06-28 16:39 <VinnyB> Jessica Lyons and I both agree on many points of SL v Opensim when it comes to the viewer.   The issue...  Lack of Devs.  We have one that has one hell of a nasty attitude and I was asked to not piss on that ones shoes.    My thought a baseball bat would be better.
2018-06-28 16:39 <Ubit> very older viewers without advanced light did work
2018-06-28 16:40 <Ubit> ansd that i decided to unblock that to allow testing, but only on httptests
2018-06-28 16:40 <Ubit> but 0.8x does allow <0 if i remember
2018-06-28 16:40 <Tampa> I mean like when do we ask for features to be added or changes made, that does not happen often, so being so hostile about it imo is uncalled for, but what do I know
2018-06-28 16:40 <Ubit> well but on that she did ask
2018-06-28 16:40 <Ubit> oops
2018-06-28 16:41 <Ubit> damm
2018-06-28 16:41 <VinnyB> That is due to changes at Linden Labs not FS  when it comes to HTTP v UDP
2018-06-28 16:41 <Ubit> the tradicional f** is there after all LOL
2018-06-28 16:41 <Ubit> "And why does somebody want to render something below -0? If this is something OpenSim special, please link to the OpenSim reference viewer for the correct implementation of this behavior, otherwise this is a won't fix."
2018-06-28 16:41 <Ubit> i told u ll is z > 0 only
2018-06-28 16:42 <VinnyB> Speaking of viewers  Which do you recomend for Opensim?   I'm partial to FS  but need something to test with.  Especially for this odd issue that just cropped up today.
2018-06-28 16:42 <Ubit> and shaders mb just one issue... there mb more hidden ones
2018-06-28 16:42 <Tampa> Singularity or Alchemy also work
2018-06-28 16:42 <Ubit> i used to prefer old singu 1.8.6
2018-06-28 16:43 <Ubit> after that they broke it
2018-06-28 16:43 <Ubit> alch seems to work.. a few issues.. but +-
2018-06-28 16:43 <VinnyB> And YES to being Hostel .    On slip of the tongue to support or a dev, they will sut down in a heartbeat.
2018-06-28 16:43 <VinnyB> I know I piss them off on a regular basis
2018-06-28 16:43 <Ubit> to upload meshes..  i had to use a older kokua 4.2.1.. depending on the mesh
2018-06-28 16:44 <VinnyB> Don't get me started on SL mesh uploads
2018-06-28 16:44 <Ubit> normal FS and alch seem now worse
2018-06-28 16:44 <VinnyB> Oh shite  I 'm started
2018-06-28 16:44 <Ubit> well the one i did test did work damm fast with sl viewer ( using havoc)
2018-06-28 16:45 <Tampa> I'm cranky today anyways so that stuff is rubbing me the wrong way today, my back hurts, need new mattress :S
2018-06-28 16:45 <VinnyB> The Havok engine is broken in SL and they Know It.  I am working with one of the Linden devs now on that.  Still working on a report
2018-06-28 16:47 <VinnyB> I have 4 ruptured disks, spinal stenosis, high blood sugar, very low bp and glaucoma short of going blind.  You want bad mood.  lol
2018-06-28 16:49 <VinnyB> I want to enjoy this opensim experience as much as I can before I can't see it anymore that is why I am trying to get this all done in my region.  I'll pass it off to someone once I can't see anymore and that is not too far off.
2018-06-28 16:50 <VinnyB> And Tampa  I blame the Pinellas County water for that
2018-06-28 16:50 <VinnyB> lol
2018-06-28 16:50 <Tampa> I have not been following, what exactly are you trying to make?
2018-06-28 16:51 <VinnyB> For me  I had an odd issue this morning.  Tried to add a pair of jeans no go try to rezz them out on the ground and all hell broke lose
2018-06-28 16:51 <VinnyB> https://gyazo.com/9da9fef4f7baa996e1f6a8838789e0da
2018-06-28 16:51 <VinnyB> Been working with Ubit on that one.
2018-06-28 16:52 <VinnyB> But I think I found the issue or indirectly to it 
2018-06-28 16:52 <VinnyB> Cleared cache and Inventory cache.  Then stripped down to Classic avi and seems to be stable for now.
2018-06-28 16:53 <Tampa> Depending on where you got that item from, yeah I have seen simulators terminating from mesh
2018-06-28 16:53 <VinnyB> But it is my avi that is causing the issue.  Created an avi and logged in with him and no issue.  Logged in with the usual one and boom that loop
2018-06-28 16:53 <Ubit> well working with ubit half eyes btw work :)
2018-06-28 16:53 <Tampa> Even made a patch to fix that thing, but I meant like what's the overall goal?
2018-06-28 16:54 <VinnyB> But a big help though Ubit you do have some good ideas and where to look
2018-06-28 16:55 <VinnyB> My goal is to get this huge region running smooth as I can on this dinky server and then once it is running well move it to a outside server.
2018-06-28 16:55 <Tampa> How big a var is it?
2018-06-28 16:55 <VinnyB> Then once I can't do this pass it to someone else to carry on.   I am a builder in Prim and in Mesh SL is a bust for Mesh physics issues that is why I am here in opensim
2018-06-28 16:56 <VinnyB> No issues with my creations
2018-06-28 16:56 <VinnyB> SL, I can't even upload them 
2018-06-28 16:56 <VinnyB> 2048x2948
2018-06-28 16:56 <VinnyB> 2048x2048  
2018-06-28 16:57 <VinnyB> So far it has been fine except this dam loop issue from this morn
2018-06-28 16:57 <Tampa> I run a project on my grid giving free land to non-profit projects if that is what you do
2018-06-28 16:58 <VinnyB> Is that World Map Module suposed to be triggered everytime I Add an item to myself?
2018-06-28 16:58 <VinnyB> No but I had an idea for Pinellas County.
2018-06-28 16:58 <VinnyB> If you come to my region I have an Island the shape of the county.
2018-06-28 16:58 <Tampa> map module normally only runs on startup
2018-06-28 17:00 <VinnyB> They run everytime I ADD something to myself and I think that is where that looop started.  I had something messed up on me when I tried these jeans that a friend had an issue with. 
2018-06-28 17:00 <Tampa> Is this an item you got from another grid or something you uploaded yourself?
2018-06-28 17:02 <VinnyB> Something for the grid I log in through But given to me from a friend that tried it first.  She logs through the same grid
2018-06-28 17:03 <VinnyB> It was from one of the stores here
2018-06-28 17:03 <Tampa> Depending on where it came from and how it was uploaded it may be problematic, I see this quite often with content that has been "acquired" outside of OpenSim
2018-06-28 17:04 <VinnyB> Yep betting that is the "acquired" issue
2018-06-28 17:05 <VinnyB> This is my opensim.ini   https://pastebin.com/rYSEdR7g
2018-06-28 17:05 <VinnyB> Just for an idea what was set for this grid.
2018-06-28 17:07 <Tampa> sacrarium, well now we know why lol
2018-06-28 17:07 <VinnyB> yep  I have been gettring that of late
2018-06-28 17:08 <VinnyB> This was actually the only place wher eI could park my region without any issues or restrictions
2018-06-28 17:11 <VinnyB> Not condeming anygrid or person, but this is where I am parked for now and just trying to enjoy what I am doing minus my lack of knowledge and mild stupidity
2018-06-28 17:11 <VinnyB> There was a time I had a pretty good grasp on all this, but lost some braincells along the past 10 yeras.
2018-06-28 17:12 <VinnyB> years^
2018-06-28 20:54 <djphil> Hi Ubit, have you already implemented the 3 lsl functions for animeshs ?
2018-06-28 20:54 <Ubit> no
2018-06-28 20:54 <Ubit> and its a bit more than that
2018-06-28 20:55 <djphil> Isn't supported yet by OS viewers i think ... ?
2018-06-28 20:55 <Ubit> and should we really support that ?
2018-06-28 20:55 <Ubit> we do have npcs..
2018-06-28 20:56 <djphil> well ...
2018-06-28 20:58 <djphil> With animesh you can reduce much the armature and animate things other than things that resemble human beings or animals.
2018-06-28 20:58 <djphil> I do not think that npc this ready well for that.
2018-06-28 20:59 <Tampa> For that you just need differently rigged shapes and AOs and you can make animals using npcs
2018-06-28 21:00 <Tampa> I cloned my dragon avatar as npc no problem
2018-06-28 21:00 <djphil> yes sure that i know
2018-06-28 21:00 <djphil> but that's not what I say
2018-06-28 21:03 <djphil> npc is based on an avatar armature, in this case if you just want to use 2 bones you have to disable all other bones. With animesh you make 2 bones and no more ...
2018-06-28 21:04 <Ubit> thing is that ll made that bc they do not have npcs
2018-06-28 21:04 <djphil> ok
2018-06-28 21:04 <Ubit> sure not the same thing...
2018-06-28 21:04 <Ubit> but for most uses we do have npcs
2018-06-28 21:05 <Ubit> and do current viewers support that? fs alch ?
2018-06-28 21:05 <Ubit> the releases i mean
2018-06-28 21:05 <djphil> for sure, npc can cover many situations
2018-06-28 21:06 <djphil> Just for viewers, I asked myself the question.
2018-06-28 22:12 <BillBlight> Does not look like animesh code is in any viewers outside of SL's special builds, so the code is not in the wild yet
2018-06-28 22:12 <BillBlight> and according to their wiki it is standard skeletons
2018-06-28 22:13 <BillBlight> "The bone positions and scales for an animesh object are simply initialized from the default bone settings (defined in some configuration files that are part of the viewer installation - avatar_skeleton.xml and avatar_lad.xml)."
2018-06-28 22:21 <Ubit> guess for now we are fine with npcs
2018-06-28 22:22 <djphil> what is avatar lad ?
2018-06-28 22:22 <Ubit> if you don't know, you don't want to know :p
2018-06-28 22:23 <djphil> hehe
2018-06-28 22:23 <Ubit> its part of the avatar descrition with the skeleton
2018-06-28 22:23 <Ubit> defines all tunnable parameters etc etc
2018-06-28 22:23 <djphil> isnt lod ?
2018-06-28 22:23 <Ubit> NO
2018-06-28 22:23 <djphil> oki ^^
2018-06-28 22:24 <Ubit> as is said avatar description
2018-06-28 22:24 <djphil> is for sliders etc ..
2018-06-28 22:24 <Ubit> with the skeleton file
2018-06-28 22:24 <Ubit> there on all viewers folders
2018-06-28 22:24 <djphil> ok, never see, never search for that
2018-06-28 22:26 <Ubit> ( and yes does define those sliders and more )
2018-06-28 22:29 <djphil> with these file, is possible to change the UV for textures sliders ?
2018-06-28 22:29 <Ubit> touch it and CRY :p
2018-06-28 22:29 <djphil> hihi
2018-06-28 22:30 <Ubit> and its avatar appearence sliders
2018-06-28 22:31 <djphil> If it was possible to modify the UV of the sliders of textures it would be nice ... We would not be forced anymore to use the unfolding UV of SL which is not great
2018-06-28 22:32 <Ubit> forget
2018-06-28 22:33 <djphil> lol
2018-06-28 23:39 <Teravus> What framework version are we using now?
2018-06-28 23:40 <Teravus> i would rtm however i'm on a phone 😆
2018-06-28 23:42 <Ubit> hmm? teravus ??
2018-06-28 23:42 <Teravus> .net core?
2018-06-28 23:42 <Ubit> no
2018-06-28 23:43 <Ubit> .net4.0 on all versions but branch httptests that is 4.6
2018-06-28 23:43 <Teravus> still on 3.5?
2018-06-28 23:43 <Teravus> ok:)
2018-06-28 23:43 <Ubit> ( ill possible push httptests to 4.6.2 bye bye Vista :(
2018-06-28 23:45 <Teravus> still supporting vista 👀
2018-06-28 23:45 <Ubit> yeap 4.6 is the last that works on vista
2018-06-28 23:46 <Ubit> but there are respective mono compatibily issues of course
2018-06-28 23:46 <Teravus> of course 
2018-06-28 23:47 <Ubit> safe option for 4.6+ is just mono 5.12
2018-06-28 23:47 <Ubit> ie last stable last time i checked
2018-06-28 23:48 <Ubit> .net core, guess tons of things to change to use that
2018-06-28 23:48 <Teravus> Most of the products I’ve worked on lately have been .net 3.5 .net 4.5
2018-06-28 23:49 <Ubit> seems 4.5 is beeing killed fast by ms
2018-06-28 23:49 <Ubit> it did work on XP ( possible a reason for that :) )
2018-06-28 23:50 <Ubit> hmm or i think it did..
2018-06-28 23:50 <Teravus> They do seem to be going for the “Cross platform. Net core”
2018-06-28 23:50 <Ubit> yeap.. thats kinda scary
2018-06-28 23:50 <Ubit> mono side
2018-06-28 23:51 <Teravus> 
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2018-06-28 23:52 <Ubit> well i don't even want to think about porting all opensim to core :)
2018-06-28 23:52 <Teravus> This is not your typical Irc scenario I am talking to you sitting on a bus
2018-06-28 23:52 <Ubit> hmm?
2018-06-28 23:52 <Ubit> ahh ok :)
2018-06-28 23:53 <Ubit> at least you are sitting :)
2018-06-28 23:53 <Teravus> Yeah not sure that would be fun porting to core
2018-06-28 23:55 <Teravus> My stop is next.... so I’ll see you later.   Tell Mel I said hi :)
2018-06-28 23:55 <Ubit> sure :)
2018-06-28 23:55 <Teravus> Thanks 
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2018-06-29 15:53 <Velus> hey all i have ben in hospital for a while but have just been told that there is an opensim GDPR board can i get some info on this please?
2018-06-29 15:59 <Tampa> Just document your use of personal data, update your privacy policy and that's all you need to do. You have privacy laws in your country? Follow them.
2018-06-29 16:00 <Tampa> No need to go nuts over this, GDPR doesn't suddenly replace all privacy laws.
2018-06-29 16:00 <Velus> i know this, but aparently the opensim board has created a gpr board aswell
2018-06-29 16:01 <Velus> i know the gdpr laws i went through it all with my solicitor, and even wrote an article about it, and how a lot of grids are doing it wrong. 
2018-06-29 16:04 <Plugh> Velus: Welcome back. I think you are talking about the project that Bill created. -> https://bitbucket.org/OpenSimLife/projectsasha.git
2018-06-29 16:08 <Velus> thank you plugh and proberbly, just something someone mentioned in passing, 
2018-06-29 16:12 <Plugh> Velus: yw
2018-06-29 16:13 <Velus> plugh is it BillBlight that created it?
2018-06-29 16:13 <Plugh> Grr... WinGridProxy shows the MapNameRequest being made to the grid code but never shows any results being returned.
2018-06-29 16:13 <Plugh> Velus: yes
2018-06-29 16:14 <Velus> BillBlight, when your free can i message you please.
2018-06-29 16:15 <Velus> Plugh you free a second to pick your brains?
2018-06-29 16:15 <Plugh> Sure but my lunch will be ready soon so not too many seconds available.
2018-06-29 16:23 <Plugh> Lunch time. bbl.
2018-06-29 16:35 <Tampa> gdpr does not require something like that, it be like asking someone opening a website before it loads to accept, you can leave it as is
2018-06-29 16:35 <Tampa> ugh people overreacting about gdpr
2018-06-29 16:58 <Plugh> Tampa: There was at least one grid I couldn't log in to without accepting their new privacy policy.
2018-06-29 17:30 <Velus> yes its sad that this is happening, but this is people overreacting after seeing £20M fines, when in reality a small grid would be a lot less, if they get fined, all they really need is a good transparent privacy policy and also dont collect more from HG Visitors than what is needed, generally you cant when a viewer connects, but i guess you can create something that can, but then why would you. You should just have a disclamier (nothing much ust
2018-06-29 17:30 <Velus>  something in your privacy policy) that states if you go to another grid they will collect x y and z in general to make the service work. the GDPR actually states you can not give someone an alternatom on the privacy policy, i.e you cant enter our gtid if you dont accept we take xyz to make the service work. so technically most grids that have implemented this system has actually broken the rules lol
2018-06-29 17:34 <Tampa> Most grids are too small an organisation to ever even fall under gdpr let alone be fined, its to kill facebook, not cripple the economy
2018-06-29 17:34 <Tampa> That new copyright shit the eu is planning is a far bigger threat to grids
2018-06-29 17:34 <Tampa> #savethelink
2018-06-29 17:52 <BillBlight> I'll say this again, you can call it over reacting, I call it covering my ass, if a user is too damn lazy to open a link and click yes or NO, then pretty much they are going to be a problem child anyway, and they can stay home ..
2018-06-29 17:53 <BillBlight> The problem is not actually the GDPR or the privacy policies, it is lazy entitiled users and grid owners
2018-06-29 17:54 <BillBlight> People make it sound like the sky is falling because you now have to tell your users what data is exchanged, and users are freaking out over accepting the policy for the same data that has always been exchanged without their knowledge .. So this was a no win scenario, but personally I'd rather error on the side of protecting my ass than satisfying some whiny users
2018-06-29 18:01 <Tampa> You call it covering your ass I call in unnecessary, but oh well
2018-06-29 18:07 <BillBlight> I've talked to 5 lawyers , one of them in the UK, and all of them agree that it is required, so pardon me if I don't take Legal advice from you Tampa
2018-06-29 18:09 <Ubit> i let my craplap half open to prevent cats from sleeping on top of it..
2018-06-29 18:09 <Ubit> they closed it :)
2018-06-29 18:09 <BillBlight> I'm not telling anybody they NEED or don't need to do it, but I am stating what legal council told me, and what I have decided to do .. Telling people that is NOT required puts you in the arena of offering legal advice, and not sure people who are not professionals in that field should be doing that.
2018-06-29 18:10 <Ubit> relax guys..
2018-06-29 18:11 <Ubit> at most you spend a few months in jail.. free food.. free bed.. free lovers..  errrr hmmm
2018-06-29 18:11 <Ubit> ok better worry :p
2018-06-29 19:26 <Plugh> Ubit, my experiment is working. The searches for regions by name using a string that isn't to be at the start of the region name works. The problem is that the names never show up in the viewer.
2018-06-29 19:27 <Plugh> I've tried to use WinGridProxy to verify if the names get passed to the viewer but WGP never shows any results being passed back to the viewer even when the viewer shows region names after a search.
2018-06-29 19:28 <Plugh> Seems a bit like another bug in the WGP.
2018-06-29 19:28 <Ubit> possible
2018-06-29 19:28 <Plugh> I wanted to find out if the grid code passes back the names to the viewer or not. I can't tell.
2018-06-29 19:28 <Ubit> as i said viewer has expectations about the results
2018-06-29 19:29 <Plugh> I may have to fix the WGP first.
2018-06-29 19:29 <Plugh> That's fine if it is a viewer side issue. I'll at least get the grid side working. The viewer devs can fix things at their end later. :)
2018-06-29 19:30 <Ubit> dream :)
2018-06-29 19:30 <Plugh> Yea, I know. It is a map search feature that users have been asking for. If we support it in the grid code we can tell them to go bug the viewer devs to fix their end. :)
2018-06-29 19:32 <Ubit> there are searchs also region side on chached info, if i remember
2018-06-29 19:34 <Plugh> My change is in GridService.cs where it prepares the name for use in a LIKE comparison.
2018-06-29 19:35 <Ubit> there are also searchs on regions.. the target may alreay be linked etc
2018-06-29 19:37 <Ubit> hope you are doing that on httptests, not master
2018-06-29 19:39 <Plugh> I have. 
2018-06-29 20:01 <Tampa> Hm it would appear as though the mod.paypal module does not work with the latest httptests, bummer
2018-06-29 21:49 <Plugh> What the??  Found the reply block I needed. The data is returned to the viewer. What is odd is that for a single click of the map Search button there are two queries and responses.
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2018-06-30 02:54 <Ubit> anyone alive? :)
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2018-06-30 16:19 <Ubit> 
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2018-06-30 16:22 <Plugh> oh. Now I think I know why Ubit is hiding.  :)
2018-06-30 16:29 <Bill_Blight> HAHA
2018-06-30 16:34 <Plugh> lunch time. bbl
2018-06-30 17:03 <Ubit> damm another storm . it may stop me from seeing portugal kicked by uruguai
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2018-07-01 06:35 <Aramis^> shouldn't the last 4 be labled 0.9.1.0?  http://opensimulator.org/dist/
2018-07-01 06:36 <Aramis^> also here  http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Download
2018-07-01 07:19 <Aramis^> "This is version 0.9.1.0 Dev from our git master branch as it was at June 30, 2018"
2018-07-01 13:42 <Ubit> it is just a upgrade to 0.9.0.0
2018-07-01 13:43 <Ubit> so 0.9.0.1
2018-07-01 13:43 <Ubit> ( yeach i do not want to reach 1.0  so saving numbers :p )
2018-07-01 14:00 <Plugh> ?
2018-07-01 14:23 <Plugh> Time for food.
2018-07-01 15:15 <osmantis> Bug #8326:04 mysql errors during backup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8326 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2018-07-01 18:11 <VinnyB> Hello folks  FS just updated to the newest Vivox and it does not work on .8x  Not sure about .9x  though      KDU updated to v7.10.4.  Voice Update: Vivox Version 4.9.0002.27586 (Mac and Windows)  Linux uses native voice files Version: Vivox 3.2.0002.10426
2018-07-01 18:15 <Ubit> can't tell much about that
2018-07-01 18:15 <Ubit> it is a viewer side change as you say
2018-07-01 18:25 <VinnyB> .Vivox updated their software and it does not work on .8x
2018-07-01 18:25 <VinnyB> I have no way of testing it in .9x
2018-07-01 18:26 <VinnyB> The update fixes the constant non login or dropouts in SL.
2018-07-01 18:26 <Ubit> if i remember 0.9 vivox is not much dif from 0.8
2018-07-01 18:27 <Ubit> it can be several thinhs including vivox free servers not suporting that version
2018-07-01 18:27 <Ubit> etc etc
2018-07-01 18:27 <Ubit> i can only guess
2018-07-01 18:28 <Ubit> hmm i don't use voice so.. can't tell :)
2018-07-01 18:33 <VinnyB> It is so sad that the viewers are advancing and not working with OS.   I have been running Firestorm 5.0.11 (53634) and no issues but I am testing a pre release now for our Devs and it works great except no voice.,
2018-07-01 18:34 <Ubit> :(
2018-07-01 18:34 <VinnyB> I have to figure how to convert my Windows version over to Linux here.  I found a server rental for $10 US, but only linux
2018-07-01 18:35 <VinnyB> Something I haven't done yet and no clue what files to pull over to the linux simulator software
2018-07-01 18:35 <Ubit> version of what?
2018-07-01 18:36 <VinnyB> I am running my .8x on win10 here and probably need to bring it to the latest debian    https://www.vpscheap.net/pricing.aspx
2018-07-01 18:36 <Ubit> well it may happen that the new vivox servers don't like our code.. no idea
2018-07-01 18:37 <Ubit> you just get the os bins and install
2018-07-01 18:37 <Ubit> set the ini files.. always funny
2018-07-01 18:37 <Ubit> nad bring your windows region as a oar
2018-07-01 18:37 <Ubit> i guess
2018-07-01 18:38 <Ubit> region console says anything about vivox ?
2018-07-01 18:39 <VinnyB> Havent looked  let me see what it does I need to relog to the pre release
2018-07-01 18:39 <Ubit> well another test, dos voice work fine on same region with a older viewer ?
2018-07-01 18:39 <Ubit> ( and does the new FS voice work even at SL? lol )
2018-07-01 18:43 <VinnyB> yep
2018-07-01 18:44 <VinnyB> no dropout  but this was just released to us in the past three days.  Not sure when we do the official release 
2018-07-01 18:45 <VinnyB> Hmmmm no Vivox issues in the console
2018-07-01 18:45 <Ubit> well i don't know
2018-07-01 18:45 <Ubit> and if there is some region code changes needed it will be on 0.9.x.x
2018-07-01 18:45 <Ubit> 0.8 is just obsolete
2018-07-01 18:46 <Bill_Blight> They have fixed it in their code VinnyB
2018-07-01 18:46 <Ubit> ohh it was a fs bug?
2018-07-01 18:46 <Bill_Blight> FIRE-22709: Fix for local voice not working in OpenSim on Windows
2018-07-01 18:46 <Bill_Blight> Use re-bundled Vivox voice SDK version 4.6.0017.21209 from previous release when
2018-07-01 18:46 <Bill_Blight> logging into OpenSim since the updated version 4.9.0002.27586 is apparently
2018-07-01 18:46 <Bill_Blight> incompatible with OpenSim. Use new version only for Second Life.
2018-07-01 18:47 <VinnyB> Yepp that is what I figured
2018-07-01 18:47 <Ubit> well no idea what the issue is :)
2018-07-01 18:48 <VinnyB> The place where i am set up at probably will never update to .9.x.x
2018-07-01 18:48 <VinnyB> Says too much at risk
2018-07-01 18:48 <Ubit> fine their option
2018-07-01 18:49 <Ubit> and fixing it is also their job now :p
2018-07-01 18:50 <Bill_Blight> too much of a risk, that made me giggle
2018-07-01 18:50 <Ubit> yeah.. whatever
2018-07-01 18:50 <VinnyB> Well you know what that means...  Not sure how to upgerade or debug between the two.
2018-07-01 18:51 <Ubit> as time passes "upgrade" is not even the proper word
2018-07-01 18:51 <Bill_Blight> If a grid, can't figure out HOW to upgrage, I'd run away fast, if they just don't want to, that is their choice .. But not knowing how shows a lack of knowledge or just being lazy
2018-07-01 18:52 <Bill_Blight> yes at some point there will be no uppgrade path
2018-07-01 18:52 <Ubit> at a point its changing 2.. not upgrading 2
2018-07-01 18:52 <Bill_Blight> and at some point, connections between old and new code, may not be possible anymore, simply for the sanity of the people running the newer code
2018-07-01 18:53 <Ubit> ewll whatever ppl do what they like
2018-07-01 18:54 <VinnyB> Well the sooner the better
2018-07-01 18:54 <Ubit> misinformation about opensimulator is absurd
2018-07-01 18:58 <VinnyB> Ok   sooo anyhooo, for me to go over to Linux here I need just the .ini files and the OAR and that is about it?  or am I missing a few things?
2018-07-01 19:00 <Ubit> better edit the ini files of the linux version, if not the same
2018-07-01 19:00 <Ubit> using original as reference only
2018-07-01 19:07 <VinnyB> Yes  That is what I thought.  well I will see what happens.  I need to pull this out of the house hgere and get it offsite so it does not drop off line with the Florida storms.
2018-07-01 19:22 <Ubit> you can find opensimulator code at http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Download
2018-07-01 19:22 <Ubit> :p
2018-07-01 19:32 <VinnyB> thanks
2018-07-01 19:53 <Aramis^> <Ubit> ( yeach i do not want to reach 1.0  so saving numbers :p )  right, God forbid anyone here ever says the "B" word... it's only been 10+ years
2018-07-01 19:53 <Ubit> B ?
2018-07-01 19:57 <Bill_Blight> Beta
2018-07-01 19:58 <Ubit> well 1.0 is not Beta
2018-07-01 19:59 <Ubit> ty
2018-07-01 19:59 <Bill_Blight> it could be, but I know what you mean
2018-07-01 20:00 <Bill_Blight> to me version numbers mean nothing, what the code does means more, Opensimulator is a generic platform for people to do things with, the fact that they can use it as is, is a gift ..
2018-07-01 20:01 <Bill_Blight> I don't think I have run stock OS code since the first few days of .69
2018-07-01 20:02 <Ubit> yeap you do change the version name since then :p
2018-07-01 20:02 <Ubit> 
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2018-07-01 20:03 <Bill_Blight> Why you hiding .. Damn skippy I changed the vesion name
2018-07-01 20:03 <Bill_Blight> I was tempted to do a find and replace on the entire source tree ... LOL
2018-07-01 21:09 <Aramis^> .4 I think was the first one I found here, after short time thinking Openlife was the source. That's where I got the Soren last name but liked it.
2018-07-01 21:13 <Bill_Blight> Yeah I started playing with OS around the first release, but I did not get brave and start screwing with it till the .6.9 days ..
2018-07-01 22:20 <Tampa> Ah the good old days when HG <-> SL was a thing /s
2018-07-01 23:01 <Ubit> those where veru short days if i remember
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2018-07-01 23:12 <Aramis^> a shame they wasted open standard
2018-07-01 23:13 <Ubit> they are a closed comercial enviroment
2018-07-01 23:13 <Aramis^> really?  :P  and they could have still had that while welcoming and embracing openness
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2018-07-03 19:04 <Velus> hey how do i go about proposing additions to the core of opensim
2018-07-03 19:06 <Tampa> As in suggestions? Open a Mantis and hope for the best.
2018-07-03 19:14 <Plugh> You can also start a discussion on the mailing list where you start by stating your proposal.
2018-07-03 19:20 <Velus> whats the mailing list? where can i join?
2018-07-03 19:21 <BillBlight> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists
2018-07-03 19:58 <BillBlight> Just read the meeting notes, and all I can say is WOW ... The misconceptions that people on the outside have about how things work and how to make the experience enjoyable for everyone not just one class of avatar is astounding
2018-07-03 20:08 <BillBlight> What would really be nice is if complexity was a server side setting, so we could just whammy all those heavy, lag inducing, STOLEN , avatars
2018-07-03 20:09 <Ubit> nahh nahh nahh  i do not want to read all those meshes avatars decide to wear
2018-07-03 20:51 <BillBlight> Yeah , nice is not always feasable 
2018-07-03 20:51 <Ubit> i even did remove old code trying to guess avatar size from visual paramenters etc
2018-07-03 20:52 <Ubit> ( and failing..)
2018-07-03 20:52 <BillBlight> well, I said this a long time ago, where did people get this attitude that this project is here to make them happy?  LOL
2018-07-03 20:54 <Ubit> where possible we avoid looking into the assets
2018-07-03 20:54 <Ubit> etc
2018-07-03 20:55 <Tampa> You can say all you want how not "production-grade" it is, if it does not immediately crash people think its stable...
2018-07-03 20:56 <Ubit> tampa?
2018-07-03 20:59 <BillBlight> That is true Tampa, and the inverse is also, you can talk about how stable it is, and when one loud mouth has ONE issue the whole system sucks.
2018-07-03 21:00 <Tampa> I am convinced since the change of the century half the population has collective lost their marbles
2018-07-04 01:33 <Velus> hey can someone in the mailing list for dev check to see if my message went through please? 
2018-07-04 01:34 <danbanner> i see it
2018-07-04 01:34 <danbanner> 4 hrs ago
2018-07-04 01:35 <Velus> ok thanks it i got an email saying my spf and dkim faild
2018-07-04 01:35 <danbanner> you can check here http://opensimulator.org/pipermail/opensim-dev/
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2018-07-04 10:40 <osmantis> Bug #8331:04 Vivox voice server issues in upcoming viewers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8331 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-07-04 10:41 <osmantis> Bug #8331:04 Vivox voice server issues in upcoming viewers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8331 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-07-04 12:01 <osmantis> Bug #8291:04 Add ability for banning via mac address 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8291 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-04 12:02 <osmantis> Bug #8314:04 Map tile generation from robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8314 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-04 12:06 <osmantis> Bug #8286:04 [PATCH] Adds osGetAgentUserLevel() 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8286 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-04 12:08 <osmantis> Bug #8277:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] llXorBase64 not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8277 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-07-04 12:08 <osmantis> Bug #8288:04 [DATASNAPSHOT] Caught unknown exception while trying to load snapshot 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8288 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-04 12:15 <osmantis> Bug #8255:04 Web region loading example is obsolete 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8255 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-07-04 12:17 <osmantis> Bug #7598:04 Limit see and chat with avatars of others parcels do not work (Parcel Privacy) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7598 ): has been CLOSED
2018-07-04 12:18 <osmantis> Bug #8239:04 Ilha fechada 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8239 ): has been CLOSED
2018-07-04 12:58 <osmantis> Bug #8261:04 Allow changing map tile colors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8261 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2018-07-04 13:13 <osmantis> Bug #8001:04 BMP 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8001 ): has a PATCH ready to apply to trunk
2018-07-04 14:44 <Ubit> outch nothing like a release to see mantis ticking a bit
2018-07-04 14:47 <osmantis> Bug #8291:04 Add ability for banning via mac address 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8291 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-04 14:52 <osmantis> Bug #8314:04 Map tile generation from robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8314 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-04 15:13 <osmantis> Bug #8331:04 Vivox voice server issues in upcoming viewers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8331 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2018-07-04 15:29 <osmantis> Bug #8331:04 Vivox voice server issues in upcoming viewers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8331 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-04 15:45 <osmantis> Bug #8331:04 Vivox voice server issues in upcoming viewers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8331 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-04 16:12 <osmantis> Bug #8331:04 Vivox voice server issues in upcoming viewers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8331 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-04 16:21 <BillBlight> I'm really hoping the FS team is NOT talking to vivox about opensim support, last time I talked to anybody at vivox about an sdk issue, they not so politely said "F**K Opensim" ..  
2018-07-04 16:26 <Tampa> Hence why I was so keen to get a replacement, I asked them a while back about commercial pricing and well doing long distance calls is cheaper than their offerings
2018-07-04 16:26 <BillBlight> Yet they offer 10000 connections on their free C3 platform and SDK
2018-07-04 16:26 <BillBlight> that is PER account 
2018-07-04 16:30 <BillBlight> Problem with a replacement, is just about anything is going to require  either compatibility with the built in viewer voice aka slvoice.exe or an addon module to the viewer.  Two problems, getting viewer devs to add this, and people too lazy to do it themselves .. 
2018-07-04 17:55 <djphil> The Mac ban work with standalone too ?
2018-07-04 18:14 <Veus_uni> where would i get the info to work on a replacment that would work with slvoice? where can i get the api's for slvoice
2018-07-04 18:19 <Veus_uni> and what are all the protocols for all the viewers for opensim and secondlife, i know the secondlife:// iw:// inworldz:// hop:// but what are the others?
2018-07-04 18:22 <djphil> opensim://
2018-07-04 18:26 <Melanie_T> secondlife:// is the default, LL introduced it. Other grids copied that in their private viewer spins.
2018-07-04 18:26 <Melanie_T> hop:// attempts to be a grid-agnostic way
2018-07-04 18:27 <Melanie_T> there is a potential to create a spatial voice client for the viewer, emulating SLVoice, using murmur/mumble
2018-07-04 18:27 <Melanie_T> the problem is that there is, at this time, to functioning library to act as a mumble client in c or c++
2018-07-04 18:27 <Melanie_T> to = no
2018-07-04 18:27 <Veus_uni> ok thanks if secondlife://somegrid.org:8002/region/118/118/24 is a region how would a parcel be formed in a url?
2018-07-04 18:28 <Melanie_T> it isn't
2018-07-04 18:28 <Melanie_T> parcel names aren't gridwide, neither in SL nor in opensim
2018-07-04 18:28 <djphil> There is also secondlife:://http|!!  for HG v3
2018-07-04 18:28 <Melanie_T> it would have a coordinate part that is within the parcel
2018-07-04 18:28 <Veus_uni> ok thanks 
2018-07-04 18:29 <Melanie_T> anyway, the other voice option is freeswitch
2018-07-04 18:29 <Melanie_T> that actually works but it's not spatialized and uses an incredibly inefficient codec (ulaw)
2018-07-04 18:29 <Melanie_T> spatialising would require a freeswitch plugin
2018-07-04 18:31 <djphil> i see we have too x-grid-location-info://
2018-07-04 18:32 <djphil> https://alchemy.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/ALCH/pages/28737538/x-grid-info+scheme
2018-07-04 18:40 <Veus_uni> djphil, it looks like x-grid-info needs a users username and password in the url so for my project that would not be wise
2018-07-04 18:40 <Veus_uni> brb cigg break
2018-07-04 18:42 <djphil> not necessarily, you can use it like this too:
2018-07-04 18:42 <djphil> x-grid-location-info://mygrid.com:8002/region/MyRegionName/128/128/25
2018-07-04 18:44 <djphil> and he also accepts negative Z value
2018-07-04 18:44 <djphil> .../128/128/-25
2018-07-04 18:45 <djphil> and accept region names with space
2018-07-04 18:46 <djphil> http://www.aiai.ed.ac.uk/~ai/hg.html
2018-07-04 18:51 <Ubit> i did used mumble ages ago.. was +- ok
2018-07-04 18:51 <Ubit> but a pain for non tech users
2018-07-04 18:51 <djphil> Mumble is easy
2018-07-04 18:52 <Ubit> and also the costs of running a voice server are some
2018-07-04 18:52 <djphil> Ubit, do you know if the new patch about ban mac work with standalne too ?
2018-07-04 18:53 <Ubit> i did not looked to the code still
2018-07-04 18:53 <djphil> oki, ty
2018-07-04 18:53 <Ubit> don't believe much but well..
2018-07-04 18:54 <djphil> well i see the list is on robust.ini
2018-07-04 18:54 <djphil> but sin't "urgent" ^^
2018-07-04 18:54 <djphil> i can wait Tampa
2018-07-04 18:55 <Ubit> i did run a irc network.. still there actual.. hi know how "good" bans are
2018-07-04 18:55 <Ubit> i know..
2018-07-04 19:02 <Veus_uni> bans are brillient at times but a pitta at others
2018-07-04 19:04 <Veus_uni> got diconected a minute
2018-07-04 19:05 <Veus_uni> djphil, your good with php and xml yes?
2018-07-04 19:06 <Ubit> well for public lets say they are very good and effective :)
2018-07-04 19:07 <djphil> "good" i don't know but i can write some php yes
2018-07-04 19:09 <djphil> Ho but Veus_uni is Velus Universe no ?
2018-07-04 19:31 <BillBlight> any body see this, it is old but could it be used as a base, Ubit, Melanie_T ?  https://github.com/slomkowski/mumlib
2018-07-04 19:32 <Ubit> i did once updated a mumble region module
2018-07-04 19:33 <Ubit> hmm 6 years ago ? :p
2018-07-04 19:33 <BillBlight> Somebody has been trying to get you to update it again, but I would not know anything about that .... :)
2018-07-04 19:33 <Ubit> yeah some strange guy did asked me to look not long ago.. crazy guy..
2018-07-04 19:34 <Ubit> one Bill something i think...
2018-07-04 19:34 <BillBlight> hmm could be
2018-07-04 19:49 <ssm2017> hello. If you would like to see what can be done with OpenSimulator and live art performance, you can hgtp to hg.francogrid.org:80:FestAvi+La+Finale the next show begins in 10minutes
2018-07-04 19:50 <Veus_uni> yes djphil i am velus universe
2018-07-04 19:52 <Veus_uni> who would be the best person to talk to about having a opensim page on my social site, just for virtual worlds, someone who can keep it uptodate (or a collection of people) 
2018-07-04 19:52 <Veus_uni> and Tampa the social site is now hosted in england and on better servers
2018-07-04 20:41 <Tampa> which is why I assume its offline huh, well anyways
2018-07-04 20:42 <djphil> Here is the lastone i know for Mumble BillBlight https://github.com/justincc/whisper_server/tree/master/murmur
2018-07-04 20:42 <Tampa> Anyways that mac ban stuff should work with both I would imagine unless standalone uses different services
2018-07-04 20:43 <Tampa> its loginservice and gatekeeperservice
2018-07-04 20:43 <BillBlight> djphil there was once since then done by Cinder, but it does not work now, needs a refactor
2018-07-04 20:43 <djphil> But we can add the ist on opensim.ini too ?
2018-07-04 20:43 <djphil> list*
2018-07-04 20:44 <Tampa> Configs are all pulled together for standalone iirc so doesn't matter where it is added so long as it is under the correct section and not overridden later in the config loading regime
2018-07-04 20:44 <BillBlight> not sure if you missed this <BillBlight> any body see this, it is old but could it be used as a base, Ubit, Melanie_T ?  https://github.com/slomkowski/mumlib  , incase you did there it is ..
2018-07-04 20:44 <BillBlight> Melanie said no suitable library for C
2018-07-04 20:45 <BillBlight> not sure if that is an option or not
2018-07-04 20:45 <Melanie_T> it's not suitable
2018-07-04 20:45 <Melanie_T> i know of it
2018-07-04 20:45 <Melanie_T> but in order to support multiple sims as well as private/group voice calls, channel support is a must
2018-07-04 20:46 <Melanie_T> it lacks it
2018-07-04 20:51 <Tampa> Not even as barebones basis to add said functionality in?
2018-07-04 21:01 <Melanie_T> yes it is suitable for that
2018-07-04 21:01 <Melanie_T> there is another lib that has the channels tuff all implemented but no audio transport
2018-07-04 21:12 <BillBlight> I did not look at it that close, just I knew ubit had played with the mumble stuff did not want that to get lost in the chatter, should have just sent him an IM
2018-07-04 21:14 <Ubit> well i don't remember the details.. once i did fixed the module had it working on some og regions
2018-07-04 21:14 <Ubit> ppl only wanted lips movement.. voice was just a bonus :)
2018-07-04 21:15 <Ubit> ( they where making movies )
2018-07-04 21:15 <BillBlight> this one supports voice but only on the opus codec, and is in C# https://github.com/martindevans/MumbleSharp
2018-07-04 21:15 <Ubit> i think i did use the original module that showed up
2018-07-04 21:17 <Ubit> now the viwer side code also needs fix i guess
2018-07-04 21:18 <Ubit> hmm but anyone uses linux viewers?
2018-07-04 21:19 <BillBlight> Well the current issue with SL voice is, that they changed how the protocol accepts connections, and I guess our vivox module is not acceptable, my concern with "fixing" it would be that it would break linux support which SL has dropped ..
2018-07-04 21:20 <Ubit> all depends on what changed
2018-07-04 21:20 <Ubit> see all versions on viewers do work on sl
2018-07-04 21:20 <BillBlight> FS dropped back to the older code for opensim, which is what I did when I was compiling my own viewer, after discovering that the voice was broken .. Dropped back to the older revision of slvoice and it worked again ..
2018-07-04 21:21 <Ubit> but they only changed the lib, or also code ?
2018-07-04 21:21 <BillBlight> yeah I don't think it is the serverfacing side, meaing voice side, it is the simulator facing side
2018-07-04 21:21 <BillBlight> just the lib
2018-07-04 21:22 <BillBlight> they changed which lib it uses if you are in opensim
2018-07-04 21:22 <Ubit> so guess its some setting regions must send to the voice server that the new lib needs
2018-07-04 21:22 <Ubit> something like that
2018-07-04 21:23 <BillBlight> that is what I think , but not sure, just worried that if it is changed the old version will not accept it
2018-07-04 21:23 <BillBlight> so linux peeps would be out of luck
2018-07-04 21:23 <Ubit> well ive no idea at moment
2018-07-04 21:23 <Veus_uni> <Tampa> which is why I assume its offline huh, well anyways?
2018-07-04 21:32 <Veus_uni> ?? whats that about?
2018-07-04 22:50 <H-H-H> yay my self built firestorm works lol 
2018-07-04 22:52 <Plugh> H-H-H: Woohoo!
2018-07-04 22:52 <Plugh> I want to build a viewer so I can test a code change.
2018-07-04 22:52 <H-H-H> hey how you doing Plugh
2018-07-04 22:53 <Plugh> Doing ok, thanks. How are you H-H-H? Feels like I haven't seen you in a while.
2018-07-04 22:53 <Tampa> Before you do anything else, document document document
2018-07-04 22:54 <BillBlight> My self built FS works great too, renenabled http pipeline for opensim, since they chose to force disable it
2018-07-04 22:54 <Plugh> Tampa: You want who to do what now?  :)
2018-07-04 22:54 <Plugh> BillBlight: I want to test a change to the map search feature.
2018-07-04 22:55 <H-H-H> yes i had a bit of a break but am back for a few now 
2018-07-04 22:55 <H-H-H> brb
2018-07-04 22:55 <BillBlight> cool
2018-07-04 22:55 <Plugh> H-H-H: wb
2018-07-04 22:58 <Tampa> Would be nice if we could get some better OpenSim binaries of FS available for people to use
2018-07-04 22:58 <BillBlight> have you asked
2018-07-04 22:58 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-07-04 22:58 <Tampa> Bully FS into making the changes cause we can too :D
2018-07-04 22:59 <BillBlight> https://www.dropbox.com/s/aldehedwz0a6fgv/Phoenix-FirestormOS-OSL-5-1-8-55785_Setup.exe?dl=0
2018-07-04 23:00 <BillBlight> Only a couple of changes, like re-enabling the pipeline and re-enabling analyze
2018-07-04 23:01 <Tampa> Have any of you documented how you managed to get it to compile, I tried a few months ago and kept failing on dependencies
2018-07-04 23:01 <BillBlight> well, had to do it on a win7 machine, and just followed their instructions 
2018-07-04 23:01 <H-H-H> i spun up a ubuntu 16.04 vm and just used autobuild like the wiki page says
2018-07-04 23:02 <BillBlight> and compiled my own fmodstudio
2018-07-04 23:02 <BillBlight> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8q6x7gg1lxpdrps/Phoenix_FirestormOS-private-viewer-dev_x86_64_5.1.8.55778.tar.xz?dl=0
2018-07-04 23:02 <H-H-H> yeah thats next on my list as i dont have sound atmo
2018-07-04 23:02 <Plugh> I remember the early days when I first tried to build a viewer. What a royal PITA it was. I finally found build instructions that work on the Singularity (IIRC) website.
2018-07-04 23:02 <BillBlight> there is the linux version samve flavor
2018-07-04 23:02 <H-H-H> BillBright do you have your changes documented anywhere / i would be interested in seeing them?
2018-07-04 23:03 <Tampa> I shall lobotomize myself and try this too :D
2018-07-04 23:03 <BillBlight> not really was so simple but I can look them up real quick
2018-07-04 23:03 <BillBlight> well not real quick but in a bit
2018-07-04 23:03 <BillBlight> these tasty adult beverages are slowing me down
2018-07-04 23:04 <H-H-H> if you could and write it somewhere be much apreciated
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2018-07-04 23:08 <Tampa> Bill you don't happen to have a mac build?
2018-07-04 23:09 <BillBlight> not even by accident
2018-07-04 23:10 <H-H-H> lol
2018-07-04 23:11 <Tampa> worth a shot
2018-07-04 23:12 <Plugh> Nuts. To build firestorm I need autobuild and that isn't available in the repos I'm using.
2018-07-04 23:13 <BillBlight> I spun up a clean virtual box to build it in
2018-07-04 23:13 <H-H-H> same here
2018-07-04 23:15 <BillBlight> I happend to have a pretty virgin win 7 machine so that worked for the windows side, 
2018-07-04 23:22 <H-H-H> well i run arch or LFS depending on what machine im on and i want to get back into OS and viewer dev quickly so just went with thier wiki sugestion and did an ubuntu vm
2018-07-04 23:26 <BillBlight> yeah I just tossed an ubuntu machine into a virtualbox and ran with it
2018-07-04 23:26 <BillBlight> although it is supposed to be able to be compiled with newer gibc now, but I have not had success doing it on ubuntu 18 yet
2018-07-05 01:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #1 for job opensimTest » mono-5.12
2018-07-05 01:08 <osjenkins> Project opensimTest » mono-5.12 build #1: FAILURE in 1 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensimTest/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/1/
2018-07-05 01:10 <Ubit> ohh shutup silly
2018-07-05 01:11 <Tampa> lol
2018-07-05 01:14 <H-H-H> 
ACTION passes Ubit the big hammer

2018-07-05 01:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #2 for job opensimTest » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE)
2018-07-05 01:16 <BillBlight> 
ACTION passes the flamethrower and small sub orbital plasma laser ...

2018-07-05 01:17 <Tampa> That's against the Geneva convention
2018-07-05 01:17 <osjenkins> Project opensimTest » mono-5.12 build #2: STILL FAILING in 2 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensimTest/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/2/
2018-07-05 01:18 <Ubit> ok a bit better jenkins
2018-07-05 01:18 <Ubit>  2 Warning(s)
2018-07-05 01:18 <Ubit> 	 0 Error(s)
2018-07-05 01:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #3 for job opensimTest » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING)
2018-07-05 01:22 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
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2018-07-05 01:22 <Plugh> Success!
2018-07-05 01:22 <Ubit> well without tests
2018-07-05 01:25 <H-H-H> lol i see the hammer helped lol
2018-07-05 01:25 <Plugh> bah. The info on building Sing is out of date.
2018-07-05 01:26 <BillBlight> you trying to build singu or FS Plugh
2018-07-05 01:26 <Plugh> I don't care which.
2018-07-05 01:26 <Plugh> I think I need to go with Sing as FS needs stuff I don't have.
2018-07-05 01:26 <BillBlight> https://wiki.phoenixviewer.com/fs_compiling_firestorm_windows
2018-07-05 01:26 <BillBlight> that works except for one thing
2018-07-05 01:26 <H-H-H> Plugh be warned that singu barfs even if you get gcc 4.9 as it needs a patch for latest glibc and then barfs even more at linking
2018-07-05 01:27 <Plugh> oh, they really have messed up the build system. 
2018-07-05 01:27 <H-H-H> i tried on arch linux updated to latest
2018-07-05 01:27 <BillBlight> if you include fmodstuio it the command does not put it in the x64 section of xml, you have to copy it into the right place manually
2018-07-05 01:27 <Plugh> I have gcc 5.4
2018-07-05 01:27 <BillBlight> I buitt it on gcc 6
2018-07-05 01:27 <Plugh> I can't get a Makefile for Sing.
2018-07-05 01:29 <H-H-H> really BillBright i tried gcc 6 and it barfed big time maybe i did it wrong
2018-07-05 01:29 <Plugh> I was trying to follow http://www.singularityviewer.org/kb/build-linux but its not correct
2018-07-05 01:30 <H-H-H> nope that isnt and its the only build page im aware of
2018-07-05 01:30 <BillBlight> this worked for me on ubuntu as is  https://wiki.phoenixviewer.com/fs_compiling_firestorm_alexivy_ubuntu_16
2018-07-05 01:30 <Plugh> I followed the instructions. I can't do the cd before the make as that dir doesn't exist.
2018-07-05 01:32 <Plugh> BillBlight: -A is an unrecognized argument
2018-07-05 01:33 <BillBlight> did you get the autobuild they said, or use a different one
2018-07-05 01:33 <BillBlight> the autobuild for singu will not build fs
2018-07-05 01:34 <BillBlight> let me find my exact command I used to build it, firing up my virtual ubuntu
2018-07-05 01:34 <Plugh> I just got the autobuild following the info for Sing.
2018-07-05 01:34 <H-H-H> Plugh you have to create ~/src and those instructions are the exact ones i followed for Firestorm and do work as im running the build i did with them
2018-07-05 01:35 <Plugh> If FS needs a different one I'll have to track down the source for it and build it.
2018-07-05 01:35 <BillBlight> yep that one will not work for fs
2018-07-05 01:35 <Plugh> ok. I'm back to the way things were when I first tried to build a viewer. Nothing works.
2018-07-05 01:36 <BillBlight> autobuild configure -A 64 -c ReleaseFS_open -- --package --chan OSL -DLL_TESTS:BOOL=FALSE
2018-07-05 01:36 <H-H-H> Plugh can you run virtualbox
2018-07-05 01:37 <Plugh> Yes. I have it installed.
2018-07-05 01:37 <H-H-H> and ty BillBright 
2018-07-05 01:37 <BillBlight> you have to follow the directions EXACTLY
2018-07-05 01:37 <BillBlight> if you have installed varying versions of the build tools for other viewers, you will have nothing but trouble
2018-07-05 01:37 <H-H-H> i could possibly zipp up my ubuntu vm and put it somewhere for you Plugh
2018-07-05 01:37 <Plugh> Why would I need that? I'm already running Linux.
2018-07-05 01:38 <BillBlight> but WHAT linux
2018-07-05 01:38 <Plugh> Linux Mint 18.3
2018-07-05 01:38 <BillBlight> ditto
2018-07-05 01:38 <H-H-H> because its a ready to rock proven build env for FS
2018-07-05 01:38 <BillBlight> not gonna work well for you
2018-07-05 01:39 <BillBlight> well it may not, thinking mint updates some things that are not normally updated in ubuntu 
2018-07-05 01:40 <BillBlight> also if you have installed various gcc and autobuilds, you need to rip them out and use the exact versions they state
2018-07-05 01:41 <BillBlight> autobuild 1.1.7 btw, just for referece
2018-07-05 01:42 <Plugh> Now it wants an old version of gstreamer. I have gstreamer 0.10 packages. Not sure which one it needs that it hasn't found.
2018-07-05 01:42 <Plugh> I only have autobuild installed from using the command Sing mentioned.
2018-07-05 01:47 <Plugh> BillBlight: I'll try to find the source for autobuild later.
2018-07-05 01:48 <BillBlight> umm
2018-07-05 01:48 <BillBlight> it is the stock autobuild
2018-07-05 01:49 <BillBlight> you don't need to compile EVERYTHING from source plugh
2018-07-05 01:49 <BillBlight> it is the stock autobuild for Ubuntu 16.04
2018-07-05 01:50 <BillBlight> RTFM
2018-07-05 01:50 <BillBlight> :P
2018-07-05 01:51 <BillBlight> for my linux build I followed the FS instructions exactly, and bamn it worked
2018-07-05 02:03 <H-H-H> for my linux build i followed them almost exactly and failed but then i followed them exactly and am now running round osgrid with a brand spanking viewer
2018-07-05 02:03 <Plugh> BillBlight: I have no autobuild package available in my distros repos. 
2018-07-05 02:04 <BillBlight> they are pip installs
2018-07-05 02:04 <BillBlight> did you read the instructions
2018-07-05 02:04 <BillBlight> pip install --upgrade pip
2018-07-05 02:04 <BillBlight> pip install autobuild
2018-07-05 02:08 <Plugh> what the fsck do you think I'm doing. I'm following the info on the Sing "how to build" page. 
2018-07-05 02:08 <Plugh> I'm currently missing some part of gstreamer. I don't have the header files for that package.
2018-07-05 02:09 <BillBlight> well that has nothing to do with the autobuild package we were talking about, so that is a diff issue
2018-07-05 02:09 <BillBlight> ohh
2018-07-05 02:09 <BillBlight> are you trying to build sing or fs
2018-07-05 02:11 <BillBlight> if you are trying to build FS the singu instructions will not work, if you are trying to build singu, I have no clue
2018-07-05 02:11 <BillBlight> but for FS https://wiki.phoenixviewer.com/fs_compiling_firestorm_alexivy_ubuntu_16
2018-07-05 02:19 <Aramis^> plugh got same page not found tab http://forge.opensimulator.org/  still up was just wondering the same
2018-07-05 02:21 <BillBlight> that has been gone for a long time
2018-07-05 02:24 <Plugh> Aramis, forge hasn't been around for about 2 years.
2018-07-05 02:29 <Plugh> I was missing some parts of gstreamer. As it turns out the required packages were not called gstreamer* but were in fact libgstreamer*.  :P
2018-07-05 02:30 <Plugh> The Sing build is still downloading other dependency files.
2018-07-05 02:31 <Plugh> Yup. The instructions on the Sing page are not 100% accurate. The name of the dir I'm supposed to cd to before starting the make process has a different name that is indicated by the page.
2018-07-05 02:32 <Plugh> Actual compilation of Sing has started at last.
2018-07-05 02:35 <Plugh> This is going to take a long time. I hate building C++ code. Takes so long and it always pushes up my CPU temps quite a bit compared to building C or C# code.
2018-07-05 02:35 <Plugh> bbl
2018-07-05 02:35 <H-H-H> if it builds Plugh ide be interested to know
2018-07-05 02:36 <Plugh> H-H-H: It might fail as I have changed one line in the code. I'm not 100% sure I got the call correct.
2018-07-05 02:36 <Plugh> Other than that, I'm pretty sure this will build ok. IIRC, once I've gotten to this stage it was fine.
2018-07-05 02:37 <Plugh> hm... perhaps not. I'm getting errors being thrown.
2018-07-05 02:37 <Plugh> Either more missing dependencies or a compiler version issue.
2018-07-05 02:38 <Plugh> Oh. Something related to boost. I'm trying to remember if I had to skip building boost and install a system wide one. Been ages since I last did this.
2018-07-05 02:39 <H-H-H> ok :)
2018-07-05 14:52 <osmantis> Bug #8288:04 [DATASNAPSHOT] Caught unknown exception while trying to load snapshot 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8288 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-07-05 14:55 <Ubit> so americans see any allien ? ( other then yr pres..)
2018-07-05 14:55 <Ubit> or seen..
2018-07-05 15:00 <Plugh> I got an error when compiling the Sinularity source. It may be related to boost in which case I think there is a way to tell it to use the system wide one.
2018-07-05 15:02 <H-H-H> Plugh after i finally got it to build it barfed at the linking stage with undefined reference to some boost libs 
2018-07-05 15:03 <Ubit> mb asking on singu channel?
2018-07-05 15:03 <Plugh> I remember that there were issues in the past regarding the viewer code and boost.
2018-07-05 15:03 <H-H-H> well actually not the libs themselves but the methods within
2018-07-05 15:03 <H-H-H> Ubit i asked and waited days and days
2018-07-05 15:03 <Ubit> thats normal
2018-07-05 15:03 <Ubit> :)
2018-07-05 15:04 <H-H-H> yeah but frustrating when your wanting to do something lol
2018-07-05 15:04 <Ubit> you know.. those opensim guys are even worse
2018-07-05 15:04 <Ubit> err oops
2018-07-05 15:05 <Ubit> ( and girls... )
2018-07-05 15:06 <Plugh> hehe
2018-07-05 16:26 <H-H-H> lol Ubit :)
2018-07-05 19:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #4 for job opensimTest » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2018-07-05 19:30 <osjenkins> Project opensimTest » mono-5.12 build #4: SUCCESS in 2 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensimTest/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/4/
2018-07-05 19:30 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: test
2018-07-05 19:30 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: test jenkins
2018-07-05 20:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #5 for job opensimTest » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-07-05 20:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #6 for job opensimTest » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4 49 min ago)
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2018-07-05 20:22 <Ubit> what you mean no report file? silly 
2018-07-05 20:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #7 for job opensimTest » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4 1 hr 7 min ago)
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2018-07-05 20:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #9 for job opensimTest » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4 1 hr 28 min ago)
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2018-07-05 21:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #10 for job opensimTest » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4 2 hr 6 min ago)
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2018-07-05 21:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let OpenSim.ini.example be closer to functional standalone ini
2018-07-05 21:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #11 for job opensimTest » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4 2 hr 15 min ago)
2018-07-05 21:47 <osjenkins> Project opensimTest » mono-5.12 build #11: STILL FAILING in 2 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensimTest/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/11/
2018-07-05 22:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #12 for job opensimTest » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #4 2 hr 58 min ago)
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2018-07-05 22:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #13 for job opensimTest » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #4 3 hr 7 min ago)
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2018-07-05 22:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #15 for job opensimTest » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE)
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2018-07-05 23:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #16 for job opensimTest » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING)
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2018-07-05 23:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #17 for job opensimTest » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING)
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2018-07-05 23:30 <Tampa> So I have a weird issue here, I cannot rez on one of four identical simulators, says Grid: Cou cannot create objects here. Turned bypass permissions on, went into admin mode and allowed build for everyone, still nothing.
2018-07-05 23:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #18 for job opensimTest » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE)
2018-07-05 23:38 <osjenkins> Project opensimTest » mono-5.12 build #18: STILL FAILING in 2 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensimTest/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/18/
2018-07-06 00:02 <Tampa> eh??? I can copy a prim, but I can't rez one wtf
2018-07-06 00:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #19 for job opensimTest » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING)
2018-07-06 00:25 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
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2018-07-06 00:25 <Ubit> nahh not really just a test
2018-07-06 00:25 <Tampa> awwww
2018-07-06 00:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #20 for job opensimTest » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2018-07-06 00:37 <osjenkins> Project opensimTest » mono-5.12 build #20: FAILURE in 2 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensimTest/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/20/
2018-07-06 00:39 <Ubit> grr typo
2018-07-06 00:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #21 for job opensimTest » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #19 16 min ago)
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2018-07-06 01:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix version string size test
2018-07-06 01:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #23 for job opensimTest » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #19 42 min ago)
2018-07-06 01:12 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
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2018-07-06 01:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #24 for job opensimTest » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
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2018-07-06 01:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: just remove the test instead
2018-07-06 01:39 <H-H-H> does that work with cars?
2018-07-06 01:40 <H-H-H> man my engine is broke ....... ahhhh ok i will just remove the engine it will be fine
2018-07-06 01:40 <Ubit> of course
2018-07-06 01:40 <H-H-H> :P sorry Ubit
2018-07-06 01:41 <Ubit> if someone placed a fiat600 engine on a mustang... better no ? :P
2018-07-06 01:42 <Ubit> but well not the right compare
2018-07-06 01:42 <H-H-H> i know im only teasing :)
2018-07-06 01:43 <Ubit> :)
2018-07-06 09:49 <Ubit> WHat hell:
2018-07-06 09:49 <Ubit> "
2018-07-06 09:49 <Ubit> Arielle Popstar
2018-07-06 09:49 <Ubit> Ubode feels better for avatar movements like stair climbing so I mostly use it but I combine it with Meshmerizer vs UbodeMeshmerizer  so as to not break older mesh buildings from .8.2 that lack a physics model.
2018-07-06 09:49 <Ubit> " from g+
2018-07-06 09:49 <Ubit> THAT IS WRONG
2018-07-06 09:51 <Ubit> that is the issue with options, on the hands of some users :(
2018-07-06 13:06 <H-H-H> whats opensim like in grid mode regarding memory these days obviously i apreciate it depends on prims scripts etc etc but overal how is it 
2018-07-06 14:32 <Plugh> I'm trying to build Singularity using g++ 5.4 and I get just one error. Any idea what to do about this -> https://pastebin.com/xc8eDydA
2018-07-06 14:56 <H-H-H> sorry Plugh i dont as i went with what it said on web page and used gcc 4.9
2018-07-06 14:58 <Plugh> I don't really want to downgrade my copy of the compiler toolchain. I'm not sure if you can have more than one installed at the same time or not.
2018-07-06 14:59 <Plugh> Makes a change having something too new for the thing I'm trying to work with. More often I'm behind and need to upgrade something.
2018-07-06 15:00 <H-H-H> well you can on arch as they have specific packages for it
2018-07-06 15:02 <H-H-H> am i being thick or does mono Robust.exe not pick up Robust.HG.ini as its conf or do i have to rename it as Robust.ini
2018-07-06 15:02 <H-H-H> im sure it used to but i might be mistaken
2018-07-06 15:05 <Plugh> I think it only picks up Robust.ini with the other one being the example for how to include HG support.
2018-07-06 15:05 <Plugh> Unless you tell it the name of the ini file to use via the command line.
2018-07-06 15:06 <H-H-H> ok thanks
2018-07-06 15:07 <Plugh> I have to wonder what changed in the C++ language that makes that one line no longer be acceptable. EIther that or someone did something that wasn't really kosher and the compiler let it slip by in gcc 4 where 5 catches it.
2018-07-06 15:07 <H-H-H> the later is more likely
2018-07-06 15:08 <Ubit> gcc had always been a fight
2018-07-06 15:08 <Ubit> never complient with standards and changing from version to version
2018-07-06 15:08 <Ubit> don't know now
2018-07-06 15:09 <H-H-H> lol for some reasone i dont have colour output in my terminal so i just get [] with a load of space between lol
2018-07-06 15:10 <Ubit> nad of course some coders like to use all the fancy smoke and mirrows features all compilers add
2018-07-06 15:10 <Plugh> Ubit, true.
2018-07-06 15:10 <Ubit> and those are the ones that change even more
2018-07-06 15:10 <Plugh> H-H-H: You have colour. It is just using the same colour for the text as the background. :)
2018-07-06 15:11 <Plugh> H-H-H: Use your mouse to select the space between the [ and ] and you may be able to read what is there.
2018-07-06 15:11 <Plugh> I may have to learn something about C++. Annoying that it is just one single line causing the problem.
2018-07-06 15:12 <H-H-H> ahhh good idea lol
2018-07-06 15:13 <Ubit> or it may became unreadable in a diferent way, ie dif colors :(
2018-07-06 15:14 <H-H-H> well ls --color provides coloured output but my terminal doesnt lol for some reasone
2018-07-06 15:15 <Ubit> well i had xbuild crash bc of color setting.. odd
2018-07-06 15:17 <Plugh> We are all dealing with problems this morning. :)
2018-07-06 15:17 <Ubit> well im always lol
2018-07-06 15:18 <Ubit> that is when im not creating new problems :p
2018-07-06 15:18 <Plugh> hehe
2018-07-06 15:19 <Ubit> but same how new problems are part of fixing a old problem.  whatever..
2018-07-06 15:20 <H-H-H> ok solved it lol the text was black on a black background lol
2018-07-06 15:26 <Plugh> I just can't win today. :P
2018-07-06 15:26 <BillBlight> I'm not dealing with problems, my stuff still working fine .... :P~~~~~~~~~~~
2018-07-06 15:26 <BillBlight> hehe
2018-07-06 15:26 <Plugh> I have two other machines I could use to do the build. One doesn't have python pip available as a package the other doesn't seem to have g++ available. :P
2018-07-06 15:27 <Plugh> Oh. Its called gcc-g++. :P
2018-07-06 15:28 <Plugh> um...gcc-c++ 
2018-07-06 15:37 <H-H-H> my problems are now getting less and less lol
2018-07-06 15:42 <Plugh> Mine are getting more and more.
2018-07-06 15:43 <Plugh> I can't build Firestorm. One of the command line shown on the build instructions page is wrong. I got around that. It wants  to download havok source and it can't do that as its a protected site.
2018-07-06 15:44 <Plugh> The compile will probably fail with the same error as in Sing anyway if I was to get that far, since it also says it wants gcc/g++ 4
2018-07-06 15:44 <BillBlight> what page are you looking at for FS , I follwed them exactly
2018-07-06 15:44 <Plugh> https://wiki.phoenixviewer.com/fs_compiling_firestorm_64bit_ubuntu
2018-07-06 15:45 <BillBlight> wrong page
2018-07-06 15:45 <Plugh> sure. I'm not really using Ubuntu (although my disto is based on it).
2018-07-06 15:45 <BillBlight> https://wiki.phoenixviewer.com/fs_compiling_firestorm_alexivy_ubuntu_16
2018-07-06 15:45 <BillBlight> you have to use the POST alexivy pages
2018-07-06 15:45 <BillBlight> as the code has changed
2018-07-06 15:46 <Plugh> I just used the page that came up when I search the FS site.
2018-07-06 15:47 <BillBlight> https://wiki.phoenixviewer.com/fs_compiling_firestorm
2018-07-06 15:47 <Plugh> I can't win. That page claims it will need g++ 6. :P
2018-07-06 15:47 <BillBlight> although with the typo looks like one of the pages got updated NEXT year ... LOL
2018-07-06 15:50 <BillBlight> one of the reasons H-H-H and I both suggested virtual machines, because the build environments are so flakey and different
2018-07-06 15:53 <Plugh> I don't have a lot of free disk space to do that.
2018-07-06 15:58 <Plugh> BillBlight: The instrucitions on that page also have the same error as the previous page. There is no -A option for autobuild.
2018-07-06 15:58 <H-H-H> 
ACTION pats his 4 4 tb drives he got dirt cheap when maplins whent bust

2018-07-06 15:58 <BillBlight> haha
2018-07-06 15:59 <BillBlight> 
ACTION pats his 12 drive SAS array ..

2018-07-06 15:59 <BillBlight> My office looks like the bridge of a starship, so yes I bleed geek
2018-07-06 16:01 <H-H-H> lol you just like the flashy lights
2018-07-06 16:01 <BillBlight> who dosen't ?
2018-07-06 16:17 <Plugh> I only had autobuild 1.0 as it turns out that "pip" is the one for Python 3 and not python 2. I had to use "pip2" in the pip related command lines. :P
2018-07-06 16:17 <Plugh> I don't know what its doing but autobuild is doing something.
2018-07-06 16:20 <H-H-H> yeah i had to tell it to use python2 as Arch uses python3 by default
2018-07-06 16:23 <Plugh> It failed. Must be missing some other dependency.
2018-07-06 16:23 <Plugh> I don't know what it is about viewers. They are the most complicated and difficult to compile systems of code I've ever had the misfortune to work with. :P
2018-07-06 16:24 <Plugh> bbl. Time to go help get lunch ready.
2018-07-06 17:19 <Ubit> i changed http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Build_Instructions
2018-07-06 17:19 <Ubit> cooments?
2018-07-06 17:22 <BillBlight> I like it, should not have to teach people how to install what they need to build it, if they plan on building it, they should have that knowledge .. Or is that just me being an ass
2018-07-06 17:23 <Ubit> and we can't cover all cases
2018-07-06 17:24 <BillBlight> right
2018-07-06 17:24 <H-H-H> sorry lol playing on my shiny new system
2018-07-06 17:24 <BillBlight> and  keeping them updated is almost impossible
2018-07-06 17:24 <H-H-H> by the way Ubit i just got hit with that mariadb thing in mantis lol
2018-07-06 17:25 <Ubit> hmmm
2018-07-06 17:26 <BillBlight> he got bit by the chrset
2018-07-06 17:26 <BillBlight> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8298
2018-07-06 17:27 <BillBlight> charset*
2018-07-06 17:29 <BillBlight> either need to fix it so the mysql migrations set the charset or put that in the install instructions
2018-07-06 17:30 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Configuration#Database
2018-07-06 17:30 <BillBlight> well lookie there
2018-07-06 17:31 <BillBlight> teach me to not RTFM
2018-07-06 17:32 <Ubit> well i only added mariadb, not going to delete the rest of page.. err i mean read
2018-07-06 17:32 <BillBlight> might add that the syntax is actually utf8_unicode_ci
2018-07-06 17:32 <Ubit> rtfm
2018-07-06 17:32 <Ubit> :p
2018-07-06 17:33 <Ubit> i mean who sees that should..
2018-07-06 17:33 <Plugh> H-H-H: What shiny new system, and what mariaDB thing?
2018-07-06 17:33 <BillBlight> I don't think it actually shows utf8mb3 I think it shows utf8_unicode_ci
2018-07-06 17:33 <Ubit> 
ACTION sees how all want to kick Plugh

2018-07-06 17:34 <Ubit> ;)
2018-07-06 17:34 <BillBlight> MariaDB (fully supported) - A compatible alternative to MySQL. You need to make sure the selected charset is utf8mb3 (ie 3 bytes). Some instalations default to uft8mb4 (4 bytes) and that will fail
2018-07-06 17:34 <BillBlight> catch up with the convo Plugh .. :P
2018-07-06 17:34 <Ubit> :)
2018-07-06 17:35 <Plugh> I'm catching up. I asked the question as I'm working my way down the past messages.
2018-07-06 17:35 <Plugh> I didn't realize that H-H-H meant something in the OS mantis.
2018-07-06 17:35 <BillBlight> hehe
2018-07-06 17:35 <Ubit> yes but we all like to kick you, you know :)
2018-07-06 17:35 <H-H-H> lol sorry i should have been more specific
2018-07-06 17:35 <Plugh> H-H-H: np. I found out it was the OS mantis when I went to check the link Bill posted.
2018-07-06 17:36 <H-H-H> i just found something else i forgot to do lol increase the max upload size for mariadb
2018-07-06 17:37 <Plugh> Ubit: The reference to building with nant should be qualified with a version(s) of mono.
2018-07-06 17:37 <H-H-H> trying to load an iar and its barfing on half of them
2018-07-06 17:38 <Ubit> yes Plugh, if i had a clear idea of what versions i would had done that :)
2018-07-06 17:38 <BillBlight> yeah that max packet is a touch low
2018-07-06 17:38 <Ubit> but page is a skeletton
2018-07-06 17:39 <Ubit> just updated and a bit more simple
2018-07-06 17:39 <Plugh> The important part is at the top where the versions of mono are mentioned.
2018-07-06 17:47 <H-H-H> ok now the iar should load
2018-07-06 17:49 <Plugh> utf8mb3/4 is a new one one me. I just use utf8_unicode_ci.
2018-07-06 17:51 <BillBlight> utf8mb3 is utf8_unicode_ci
2018-07-06 17:55 <BillBlight> or technically I guess utf8_unicode_ci is made from utf8mb3
2018-07-06 17:56 <Plugh> ok, good to know. 
2018-07-06 17:56 <Plugh> I almost don't believe it. I finally managed to get to where FS is starting to compile.
2018-07-06 17:57 <BillBlight> you just jinxed it
2018-07-06 17:57 <Plugh> One of the other commands it tried to run failed so I had to run it manually. Having done that, I reran autobuild and it completed without error.
2018-07-06 17:57 <Plugh> Bill, hehe, yeah. probably did.
2018-07-06 17:58 <Plugh> I wonder what compile error I will get this time as it wants a newer compiler than I have.
2018-07-06 17:58 <BillBlight> if you can't get it to compile and you want a shiny one based on the latest tip, I can send you the link again, with my couple of fixes for OS
2018-07-06 17:59 <Plugh> The whole point of this is to test a one line change I've made to the source files.
2018-07-06 17:59 <Plugh> What changes did you make, Bill?
2018-07-06 17:59 <BillBlight> re-enabled http pipeline for opensim, and turned the decompose back on for mesh uploads
2018-07-06 17:59 <BillBlight> they had both force disabled for opensim
2018-07-06 18:00 <Plugh> Nuts. I need to go in world for a grid meeting and this compile i salready pushing my CPU temp way up. :P
2018-07-06 18:01 <BillBlight> I'd send you some of my spare cores if I could ... LOL
2018-07-06 18:02 <H-H-H> i still need to rebuild mine
2018-07-06 18:02 <H-H-H> with those fixes to Bill
2018-07-06 18:03 <BillBlight> what changes did you make to the viewer Plugh?
2018-07-06 18:03 <Plugh> It is a change to map search. It will accept results where the found region names don't start with the search string.
2018-07-06 18:04 <BillBlight> well share that shit
2018-07-06 18:04 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-07-06 18:04 <Plugh> I will if it works. :)
2018-07-06 18:04 <BillBlight> umm well if you can't get it to compile share it , I'll compile it and let you know
2018-07-06 18:04 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-07-06 18:04 <Plugh> A lot of people have complained they can't search for a region by other than the start of the name. If you have a region called "OAR files" and want to search using "files" the viewer wont show any results.
2018-07-06 18:05 <BillBlight> yeah
2018-07-06 18:05 <BillBlight> I have complained about that too
2018-07-06 18:05 <Plugh> If you can compile I can tell you what I changed.
2018-07-06 18:05 <BillBlight> but it has it's uses
2018-07-06 18:05 <BillBlight> umm, yeah I can compile it
2018-07-06 18:05 <BillBlight> both linux and windows
2018-07-06 18:05 <Plugh> The fix is to indra/newview/llfloaterworldmap.cpp b/indra/newview/llfloaterworldmap.cpp
2018-07-06 18:05 <BillBlight> just export me a diff
2018-07-06 18:06 <BillBlight> or send me the whole changed file
2018-07-06 18:06 <H-H-H> Plugh can you pastebin it or something then i can add it to mine to
2018-07-06 18:06 <H-H-H> or what Bill said lol
2018-07-06 18:07 <Plugh> ok. I'll do that a bit later. My meeting is about to start.
2018-07-06 18:14 <Plugh> For Firestorm, go to line 1864 and change it from using substr to -> if (sim_name_lower.find(mCompletingRegionName, 0) != std::string::npos)
2018-07-06 18:14 <Plugh> That's the line that needs changing. I may not have the correct line. I won't know for sure until I can compile the viewer.
2018-07-06 18:15 <Plugh> If you want to change it in sing the line is 1674
2018-07-06 18:17 <BillBlight> compiling windows now, if it succeeds, I'll fire up the vbox and do a linux version
2018-07-06 18:24 <Ubit> xii did not know we can compile windows :P
2018-07-06 18:25 <BillBlight> hehe
2018-07-06 18:25 <BillBlight> well the windows 10 source code did leak a while back
2018-07-06 18:25 <BillBlight> HAHAHA
2018-07-06 18:27 <BillBlight> went ahead and started a compile of the linux version as well
2018-07-06 18:29 <H-H-H> yes you can compile windows lol just put the cds on top of each other and wala a compilation
2018-07-06 18:30 <BillBlight> HAHAHA
2018-07-06 18:30 <BillBlight> OMG I remember the stack of floppies to install windows 3.1 and 2.11
2018-07-06 18:30 <BillBlight> oops
2018-07-06 18:30 <BillBlight> 3.11
2018-07-06 18:30 <H-H-H> windows for workgroups lol
2018-07-06 18:30 <BillBlight> yep
2018-07-06 18:41 <Ubit> that was the first version that actually worked
2018-07-06 18:41 <Ubit> 3.11
2018-07-06 18:42 <Ubit> i did install 1.0 once
2018-07-06 18:42 <BillBlight> oh what was that called, I had it too, and there was another name for it ... hmmm
2018-07-06 18:43 <Ubit> did reformat the disk one hour after the end of the install :)
2018-07-06 18:43 <Tampa> Bow before me, for I have DOS
2018-07-06 18:44 <Tampa> #compileopensimonDOS
2018-07-06 18:44 <BillBlight> haha
2018-07-06 18:44 <BillBlight> no but I have compiled it in that linux shell you can get with windows 10 now
2018-07-06 18:52 <BillBlight> 
ACTION gives Tampa a golf clap

2018-07-06 18:52 <BillBlight> You were much nicer to Arielle than I would have been
2018-07-06 18:52 <H-H-H> lol i just loaded up an oar file and in it is a sign that reads 'Unacompanyed children will be given an expresso and a free kitten
2018-07-06 18:53 <Ubit> 
ACTION hides

2018-07-06 18:54 <BillBlight> Anybody that thinks ubODE physics is not good for vehicles needs to be show vehicles scripted for ubODE and not generic ones
2018-07-06 18:54 <Ubit> 
ACTION double hides

2018-07-06 18:55 <BillBlight> <rant> My gods people, get with the program , times they are a changing, change or get left behind </rant>
2018-07-06 18:55 <Ubit> well double bush works on WoT, not sure here
2018-07-06 18:56 <H-H-H> i need to change my sim setting to Adult
2018-07-06 18:56 <Ubit> wait till you are?
2018-07-06 18:56 <Ubit> ;)
2018-07-06 18:57 <H-H-H> but thats yrs away
2018-07-06 19:08 <BillBlight> grrrr  my virtual linux box has decided to keep crashing ...   
2018-07-06 19:08 <BillBlight> 
ACTION gets out bigger hammer

2018-07-06 19:08 <Ubit> my craplap also did :(
2018-07-06 19:09 <Tampa> So much abusive behavior in here lately xD
2018-07-06 19:09 <Ubit> noo noo no hammer on my craplap, my cat loves to sleep on it
2018-07-06 19:09 <Tampa> Then again I physically punch my printer almost daily
2018-07-06 19:09 <Ubit> (craplaptop)
2018-07-06 19:10 <Ubit> ok time to break master?
2018-07-06 19:10 <Ubit> guess all that so read our emails already did :p
2018-07-06 19:11 <Ubit> ..do..
2018-07-06 19:13 <Tampa> httptests for the win
2018-07-06 19:13 <Ubit> well mb later of next weekend :)
2018-07-06 19:14 <BillBlight> DO IT
2018-07-06 19:14 <Tampa> BillBlight, how much difference percentage wise does re-enabling http pipeline in the viewer really create? I cannot really see a great difference visually
2018-07-06 19:14 <BillBlight> clear your cache
2018-07-06 19:14 <BillBlight> and log in
2018-07-06 19:14 <Tampa> I did
2018-07-06 19:14 <BillBlight> if you have it right things should load faster
2018-07-06 19:14 <BillBlight> but you use a CDN so it may not give you great advantage, because you are not talking DIRECTLY to the asset server
2018-07-06 19:15 <Tampa> Possibly, I saw a very minor difference of like 2 seconds for full scene of 80k prims, so its something
2018-07-06 19:16 <Tampa> Was just wondering if you have any rough percentages or something that you have seen
2018-07-06 19:16 <BillBlight> all I can say is everyone that has tested it on my end says "OMG FASTER" so no , no real metrics
2018-07-06 19:18 <Tampa> Would probably be good to figure out some percentages or do like a recording of the difference, something to pressure FS and others to enable the functionality
2018-07-06 19:21 <BillBlight> well , not fully supported yet, ask Ubit, but seems to work more or less, so I doubt any hope for the FS devs to actually do it, until it is "fully" supported
2018-07-06 19:21 <BillBlight> because it can still cause issues if you go to a place without it, and have it enabled
2018-07-06 19:22 <Ubit> think keepalives are more relevant
2018-07-06 19:23 <Ubit> region does serialize the requests ( by spec )
2018-07-06 19:25 <cuga_rajal> Hey I want to ask who I should talk to about (partially) broken Openjpeg DLLs in trunk, who can fix
2018-07-06 19:26 <cuga_rajal> I have to run mono in 32 bit mode till its fixed - http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8308
2018-07-06 19:27 <Ubit> i don't have a mac :(
2018-07-06 19:28 <cuga_rajal> Might not need it if you can create the 64-bit DLLs
2018-07-06 19:28 <Ubit> don't have a mac and no idea what they are now :)
2018-07-06 19:28 <Ubit> maybe gavin can help ?
2018-07-06 19:28 <Ubit> he does like macs
2018-07-06 19:29 <Ubit> Gavin_hird on that mantis
2018-07-06 19:29 <Ubit> he even did compiled ode for macs for us, if i remember
2018-07-06 19:29 <cuga_rajal> Does he come around to irc?
2018-07-06 19:30 <Ubit> don't see
2018-07-06 19:30 <Ubit> you can use mantis
2018-07-06 19:30 <Ubit> can tell that at moment devs have no macs to fix the issue and ask for help
2018-07-06 19:32 <cuga_rajal> I have a login to opensimulator.org but no contact info for Gavin
2018-07-06 19:32 <Ubit> just use mantis for it
2018-07-06 19:33 <Ubit> someone else of mac world may also see and help
2018-07-06 19:33 <cuga_rajal> The problem is Mac-specific but maybe DLL issue not require a Mac to fix? If we know what it is
2018-07-06 19:34 <cuga_rajal> Or does problem happen during compilation on Mac?
2018-07-06 19:34 <Ubit> it used to work
2018-07-06 19:34 <Ubit> so no idea :(
2018-07-06 19:34 <cuga_rajal> Never worked on Moo5, only Mono4, still works on Momo4
2018-07-06 19:35 <Ubit> it mb a issue on how mono on mac finds libs
2018-07-06 19:35 <Ubit> Neb made a few tests with the .config files.. but no fix
2018-07-06 19:35 <cuga_rajal> Yes agree
2018-07-06 19:38 <cuga_rajal> The file it says it can't find does exist in opensim/bin/, might just need a symlink somewhere
2018-07-06 19:39 <Ubit> mono does some guessing
2018-07-06 19:39 <Ubit> appending ..64 etc to the name the program asks
2018-07-06 19:40 <Ubit> so the name you see mb just one of those
2018-07-06 19:40 <Ubit> ie the last he tried
2018-07-06 19:40 <cuga_rajal> The missing file in the error message is actually in /bin with the same name
2018-07-06 19:40 <BillBlight> in the bin
2018-07-06 19:41 <BillBlight> ?
2018-07-06 19:41 <cuga_rajal> openjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll
2018-07-06 19:41 <BillBlight> maybe it needs to be in lib64 for the mac
2018-07-06 19:41 <BillBlight> not sure
2018-07-06 19:41 <BillBlight> guessing
2018-07-06 19:41 <Ubit> no the .config files tell the location
2018-07-06 19:41 <cuga_rajal> Maybe misleading error message.. Maybe wrong byte order or something
2018-07-06 19:42 <Ubit> ubode, ode and bullet? do have code to go look to the lib/
2018-07-06 19:42 <BillBlight> well even on windows i have seen it say not found, when it can't find the entry point to the dll
2018-07-06 19:42 <Ubit> llibxx 
2018-07-06 19:42 <Ubit> others dont
2018-07-06 19:43 <Ubit> well but that one does work on win both 64b and 32b
2018-07-06 19:43 <BillBlight> maybe this would help http://www.mono-project.com/docs/advanced/pinvoke/dllnotfoundexception/
2018-07-06 19:44 <Ubit> neb did run that debug option :)
2018-07-06 19:45 <cuga_rajal> This problem seems to be about reading the terrain map which is a jpeg2000 I think, other Jpegs read file
2018-07-06 19:45 <cuga_rajal> 22:36:38 - [WORLD MAP]: Failed generating terrain map: System.DllNotFoundException: openjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll
2018-07-06 19:46 <Ubit> no its reading textures
2018-07-06 19:46 <Ubit> ( that may be terrain ones )
2018-07-06 19:46 <cuga_rajal> or writing
2018-07-06 19:47 <cuga_rajal> Thats web page has good ideas on debugging. But why just this one library when it finds all the others..
2018-07-06 19:48 <cuga_rajal> And why just for terrain maps and not other jpegs
2018-07-06 19:48 <Ubit> sure there is something about it.. just no idea :(
2018-07-06 19:48 <Ubit> bc not all use it
2018-07-06 19:48 <cuga_rajal> terrain maps use jpeg2000 spec instead of regular jpeg I think
2018-07-06 19:48 <Ubit> there is another encode in use
2018-07-06 19:48 <Ubit> CSj2K
2018-07-06 19:49 <cuga_rajal> So maybe that dll is only used for the terrain maps, so is only time error seen
2018-07-06 19:49 <Ubit> other parts call open directly
2018-07-06 19:49 <Ubit> reading sculpt maps do that also
2018-07-06 19:50 <cuga_rajal> Would same error message appear if it finds file but fails to load a missing api (like j200)?
2018-07-06 19:51 <cuga_rajal> j2000
2018-07-06 19:51 <Ubit> it did found the file
2018-07-06 19:51 <Ubit> oops you mean the lib?  yes error sould be other i guess
2018-07-06 19:53 <cuga_rajal> OK so were pretty sure it's not finding lib file, not due to problem with file itself
2018-07-06 19:54 <cuga_rajal> How do I ping Gavin?
2018-07-06 19:55 <Ubit> as i said you can use mantis
2018-07-06 19:55 <cuga_rajal> You mean just add a comment "can you fix it?"
2018-07-06 19:55 <Ubit> yeap
2018-07-06 19:56 <Ubit> him or anyone :)
2018-07-06 19:56 <cuga_rajal> Can I expect a big performance boost running opensim in 64 bit versus 32?
2018-07-06 19:56 <Ubit> macs don't use dylib ?
2018-07-06 19:57 <cuga_rajal> No they use .so natively, but maybe they can under mono?
2018-07-06 19:58 <Ubit> mono must point to what mac wants
2018-07-06 19:58 <Ubit> its a native lib
2018-07-06 19:59 <cuga_rajal> Nebalon tried Mono 4 and 5, both were looking for dll, so no change there
2018-07-06 19:59 <cuga_rajal> And Mono5 works in 32 bit, just not in 64
2018-07-06 19:59 <Ubit> strange yes
2018-07-06 20:00 <cuga_rajal> actually works great in 64 bit, except for this maple issue
2018-07-06 20:00 <cuga_rajal> maptile
2018-07-06 20:00 <Ubit> it mb it does find the file, but does not like something on it in 64b and moves on looking for other
2018-07-06 20:00 <cuga_rajal> thats what I was suspecting
2018-07-06 20:00 <Ubit> ok
2018-07-06 20:01 <cuga_rajal> I guess running in debug mode might reveal if thats happening
2018-07-06 20:01 <Plugh> Tampa: Which version of DOS? DOS 2?  :)
2018-07-06 20:01 <Ubit> i had the idea dylib where mac things
2018-07-06 20:01 <Ubit> possible older macs
2018-07-06 20:01 <Tampa> 1
2018-07-06 20:01 <Plugh> :)
2018-07-06 20:01 <Tampa> the original
2018-07-06 20:02 <Ubit> outch that was worse than bad
2018-07-06 20:02 <cuga_rajal> If thats the case, then its a corrupt DLL and might need to be rebuilt
2018-07-06 20:02 <cuga_rajal> or incomplete DLL
2018-07-06 20:03 <cuga_rajal> problem could actually be with openjpeg dll file
2018-07-06 20:03 <Ubit> checked with other versions of mono5.x ?
2018-07-06 20:03 <cuga_rajal> yeah
2018-07-06 20:03 <Ubit> :(
2018-07-06 20:03 <cuga_rajal> nebalon did too
2018-07-06 20:04 <cuga_rajal> I think mono4 only uses 32 bit?
2018-07-06 20:04 <Ubit> don't know
2018-07-06 20:04 <cuga_rajal> Everyone is stumped :(
2018-07-06 20:05 <cuga_rajal> Who would be person to re-check openjpeg dll?
2018-07-06 20:07 <Ubit> someone with a mac having the issue and compile tools :p
2018-07-06 20:09 <osmantis> Bug #8308:04 System.DllNotFoundException: openjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll with mono 5.x on OSX 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8308 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-06 20:09 <Ubit> oops old and problematic for future opensim releases :)
2018-07-06 20:10 <cuga_rajal> I can help, I just need some guidance on what to look for :)
2018-07-06 20:11 <Ubit> some guy just sent a email telling mono5 will be needed on new opensim releases
2018-07-06 20:11 <osmantis> Bug #8308:04 System.DllNotFoundException: openjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll with mono 5.x on OSX 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8308 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-06 20:12 <Ubit> odd answer :)
2018-07-06 20:12 <osmantis> Bug #8308:04 System.DllNotFoundException: openjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll with mono 5.x on OSX 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8308 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-06 20:13 <Ubit> nahh 64b will just use more memory.. wil be a bit slower :p
2018-07-06 20:13 <Ubit> but needed on large regions
2018-07-06 20:13 <cuga_rajal> I have a very large region
2018-07-06 20:13 <cuga_rajal> 8x8
2018-07-06 20:13 <Ubit> i meant prims
2018-07-06 20:13 <cuga_rajal> ohh
2018-07-06 20:14 <Ubit> well or any kind that does get 2 close of the <2GB limit
2018-07-06 20:14 <Plugh> Random OT comment: Filament comes in all the colours of the rainbow and some other types to boot (such as wood). Now there is filament with hemp in it. -> https://filaments.ca/products/entwined-hemp-filament-1-75mm
2018-07-06 20:15 <cuga_rajal> I guess thats another angle I need to look at
2018-07-06 20:15 <osmantis> Bug #8308:04 System.DllNotFoundException: openjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll with mono 5.x on OSX 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8308 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-06 20:15 <cuga_rajal> Ohh my comment got Gavin riled up :)
2018-07-06 20:16 <Ubit> :)
2018-07-06 20:16 <Ubit> but yes the issue is basicly memory use
2018-07-06 20:16 <Plugh> BTW, the line change I'll soon be testing in the viewer won't make a difference without the matching change in the OS code.
2018-07-06 20:16 <Plugh> Just FYI
2018-07-06 20:17 <BillBlight> well then you need to share the change to the code so we can all join the party
2018-07-06 20:17 <BillBlight> :P
2018-07-06 20:17 <osmantis> Bug #8308:04 System.DllNotFoundException: openjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll with mono 5.x on OSX 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8308 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-06 20:17 <Ubit> that could be changed.. but not only for your sinble copy viewer :)
2018-07-06 20:17 <Ubit> single
2018-07-06 20:18 <misterblue> we should port it all to .NET Core and use the CSJ2K NuGet package
2018-07-06 20:18 <osmantis> Bug #8308:04 System.DllNotFoundException: openjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll with mono 5.x on OSX 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8308 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-06 20:18 <BillBlight> somoene smack MisterAcacia
2018-07-06 20:18 <Ubit> outch 
2018-07-06 20:18 <Plugh> Bill, I was thinking of pushing that change. I only delayed a bit until I was sure it worked. I did test with WGP and the proper results were passed to the viewer. I wasn't sure if the change would be accepted as part of core.
2018-07-06 20:18 <BillBlight> ooop
2018-07-06 20:18 <BillBlight> somoene smack misterblue
2018-07-06 20:18 <Ubit> :)
2018-07-06 20:18 <BillBlight> :P
2018-07-06 20:19 <Ubit> i said 4.6 not Core lol
2018-07-06 20:19 <Ubit> :)
2018-07-06 20:19 <BillBlight> well Plugh, if the change does not break existing viewers then , no harm no foul
2018-07-06 20:19 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2018-07-06 20:20 <Plugh> It doesn't. The additional results are just not shown in current viewers.
2018-07-06 20:20 <BillBlight> part of me does not want that change ... LOL
2018-07-06 20:20 <Plugh> Why?
2018-07-06 20:20 <BillBlight> I hide regions from the map by starting them with like ___
2018-07-06 20:20 <BillBlight> people don't search for that
2018-07-06 20:20 <BillBlight> haha
2018-07-06 20:21 <Plugh> I know that not being able to search for words that appear later in a region name has been a minor annoyance to me in the past.
2018-07-06 20:21 <BillBlight> I agree
2018-07-06 20:21 <Plugh> hehe... nice trick.
2018-07-06 20:21 <BillBlight> just got used to hiding my regions that way
2018-07-06 20:21 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-07-06 20:21 <Plugh> You will have to come up with a new way to hide them.
2018-07-06 20:21 <Plugh> Invisible characters in the name?
2018-07-06 20:21 <BillBlight> yep
2018-07-06 20:22 <BillBlight> just not give them a map image, and change access, would be the best way
2018-07-06 20:22 <Plugh> Some places I want to find a Sandbox and they have them as "something sandbox". Region not found. :P
2018-07-06 20:22 <BillBlight> when I say hide regions not like they are super secret, but if I'm building a new vesion of a sim, I put 
2018-07-06 20:22 <osmantis> Bug #8308:04 System.DllNotFoundException: openjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll with mono 5.x on OSX 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8308 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-06 20:22 <Plugh> Right
2018-07-06 20:22 <BillBlight> ___ at the beginning of the  name so people don't se eit
2018-07-06 20:23 <BillBlight> all my super secret regions are my access only so it is not a big deal, more gain than loss I think
2018-07-06 20:26 <Plugh> Sheesh. This is going to take about another hour to compile. I'm only at 52%
2018-07-06 20:27 <BillBlight> Linux build takes me about 45 to an hour, windows build takes about 2
2018-07-06 20:28 <Plugh> Bill, you must have a much faster machine than I do.
2018-07-06 20:28 <Plugh> I could use more cores to speed it up but C++ pushes my CPU temps up too high.
2018-07-06 20:30 <H-H-H> and im back
2018-07-06 20:30 <Plugh> wb
2018-07-06 20:31 <H-H-H> ty how did the viewer compilling go Plugh
2018-07-06 20:31 <H-H-H> just reading chat
2018-07-06 20:31 <Plugh> Bill, compiling this viewer reminds me of the days when I used to compile GIMP on a Pentium II computer and it took about 3.5 hours.
2018-07-06 20:31 <Plugh> H-H-H: Still compiling.
2018-07-06 20:32 <Plugh> Another hour to go, maybe? It is just a wild guess. I'm going to go do something else while I wait.
2018-07-06 20:32 <osmantis> Bug #8308:04 System.DllNotFoundException: openjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll with mono 5.x on OSX 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8308 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-06 20:33 <Plugh> bbl
2018-07-06 20:34 <BillBlight> haha
2018-07-06 20:35 <BillBlight> well, my main machine is a dual hex core xeon, and my backup dev machine is a dual quad core ... with 48 and 24 gig of ram respectively
2018-07-06 20:35 <Ubit> they tell you to read War and Peace :)
2018-07-06 20:36 <H-H-H> 
ACTION had to wait about 3 hrs for first clean compile of firestorm

2018-07-06 20:37 <H-H-H> right im going to make a cuppa and a smoke and then go hg wandering lol Bill i might be popping in if i can find your HG address
2018-07-06 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #8308:04 System.DllNotFoundException: openjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll with mono 5.x on OSX 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8308 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-06 20:57 <BillBlight> H-H-H gave you a LM to get you started earlier
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2018-07-06 21:45 <Plugh> grr... just 73% done on this compile. :P
2018-07-06 21:46 <Ubit> if you through the pc out the window it may gain some speed..
2018-07-06 21:46 <Plugh> The viewer compile seems to be taking much longer than the last time I tried to compile it and that was done on a slower Core2Duo machine.
2018-07-06 21:47 <Ubit> you did changed it no? :p
2018-07-06 21:47 <BillBlight> Your changes build on linux Plugh, but they cause the windows build to fail
2018-07-06 21:47 <Plugh> I need a better CPU cooler then I can use more of the cores for compilation
2018-07-06 21:47 <BillBlight> a cascade failure to the tests
2018-07-06 21:47 <BillBlight> I'm gonna try to track it down
2018-07-06 21:48 <Plugh> I just changed a substr to a find. What sort of test is failing? They are enforcing that map search only does finds that match the start of a string?
2018-07-06 21:48 <BillBlight> well it is not the running test it is building the test module
2018-07-06 21:48 <BillBlight> where it fails
2018-07-06 21:48 <Plugh> BillBlight: You are a lot further along than I am. I'm still waiting for the build.
2018-07-06 21:49 <BillBlight> I've already tried to build it 4 times on windows
2018-07-06 21:49 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-07-06 21:49 <BillBlight> gets almost to the end and fails
2018-07-06 21:50 <Plugh> I was tempted to say "who cares about Windows". ;)
2018-07-06 21:50 <Plugh> This build is going to take about 3 to 3.5 hours the rate its going.
2018-07-06 21:51 <BillBlight> I just pulled a Ubit, and removed the build of the test modules .... LOL
2018-07-06 21:52 <Ubit> hmm ?
2018-07-06 21:52 <BillBlight> HAHA
2018-07-06 21:52 <BillBlight> If the tests won't work, KILL THEM WITH FIRE
2018-07-06 21:53 <Ubit> ahh, yes. or course :)
2018-07-06 21:53 <Plugh> No tests, no test failures, no problem. :)
2018-07-06 21:53 <Ubit> of..
2018-07-06 21:53 <BillBlight> Exactly, can't fail the test if you don't test
2018-07-06 21:55 <Ubit> well on jenkins im doing the same as before except the on i killed in code
2018-07-06 21:55 <Ubit> that was was basicly testing a .net string funtion
2018-07-06 21:55 <Ubit> rightpad or something..
2018-07-06 21:55 <Ubit> not that of a opensim test at all :)
2018-07-06 23:21 <Plugh> My compile completed at last. Yay!
2018-07-06 23:24 <Ubit> cool next step SEGMENTAION FAULT
2018-07-06 23:24 <Ubit> :p
2018-07-06 23:26 <H-H-H> woohoo Plugh lol does it run
2018-07-06 23:26 <Plugh> I'll let you know when I remember where the executables wound up.
2018-07-06 23:27 <Plugh> Ah. Under newview or newview/packaged.
2018-07-06 23:27 <H-H-H> lol newview/packaged
2018-07-06 23:29 <Plugh> Ubit, :)
2018-07-06 23:29 <Ubit> :)
2018-07-06 23:30 <Plugh> It started up.
2018-07-06 23:35 <Plugh> It's alive.
2018-07-06 23:35 <Ubit> :)
2018-07-06 23:36 <Plugh> Searching for region names is now possible where what you enter beside the Find button is at the start of the region name.
2018-07-06 23:36 <Plugh> um... is *not* at
2018-07-06 23:40 <Plugh> Oh. That's why the install is taking up 2.4G. There is 1.7G of data in bin/.debug.
2018-07-07 00:30 <BillBlight> Plugh you gonna push the change to httptests or do we have to beg for it
2018-07-07 00:31 <BillBlight> if begging is required, you are S.O.L ...
2018-07-07 00:31 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-07-07 00:36 <BillBlight> or you can just send it as a private patch to maybe keep some peeps from a WTF moment ..
2018-07-07 01:11 <Plugh> Its just 6 extra characters. :)
2018-07-07 01:13 <Plugh> I changed another get call but I think that second change isn't right.
2018-07-07 01:14 <Plugh> I'm just using the one.
2018-07-07 01:14 <Plugh> I'll push it if Ubit and Mel aren't going to say there is some reason to not include the change.
2018-07-07 01:16 <Ubit> on that, reasons are "what will it break" ones only :)
2018-07-07 01:17 <Plugh> Calls to GetRegionsByName() will return additional results. I don't know how many places that routine is called.
2018-07-07 01:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #25 for job opensimTest » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-07-07 01:30 <Plugh> Now I wait to find out what side effects the 6 character change will have. :P
2018-07-07 01:31 <Ubit> lets see
2018-07-07 01:35 <osjenkins> Project opensimTest » mono-5.12 build #25: SUCCESS in 7 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensimTest/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/25/
2018-07-07 01:35 <osjenkins> kevin: Back-end fix for region name searches made from the viewer grid map dialog.
2018-07-07 02:26 <Ubit> sleep time :)
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2018-07-07 07:58 <Aramis^> Kevin Mitnick used to search for emails about him on others pc's by using 'itni' so he didn't give himself away
2018-07-07 08:09 <BillBlight> tested the changes for the map search in old FS, singu, and Kokua, no change in the old behavior, on the patched vesion of FS for windows, the search seems to work but occasionally you still get "no regions found with that name" box but the correct results are returned anyway, but for some reason some regions cannot be found even if they are up right next to each other. One will show up 
2018-07-07 08:09 <BillBlight> with a partial match the other will not ... 
2018-07-07 08:21 <Tampa> To be fair that function has been troublesome for a while now. I always get a random assortment of regions when there are more than 30 with similar names
2018-07-07 08:21 <BillBlight> this is an entirely new feature, so not sure what you are talking about tampa
2018-07-07 08:22 <BillBlight> this is being able to search for a region by any portion of the  name , not just what it starts with
2018-07-07 08:22 <Tampa> I'm saying that what you describe has been the case before the change
2018-07-07 08:22 <Tampa> The world map search is not the most stable thing, never has been
2018-07-07 08:23 <Tampa> It likes to choke from time to time, mostly because of the whole reply chain it goes through to get the data in the first place
2018-07-07 08:23 <BillBlight> well yeah this is true, but I was testing for this specific use
2018-07-07 08:23 <BillBlight> it only makes one query to robust, well it actually doubles up the request it looks like which could be part of the issue
2018-07-07 08:24 <Tampa> Has the change done anything to special characters in region names like periods?
2018-07-07 08:24 <BillBlight> NO
2018-07-07 08:24 <BillBlight> do not use periods in region names
2018-07-07 08:24 <BillBlight> that is a bad idea all around
2018-07-07 08:24 <BillBlight> because it will try to parse them as HG urls
2018-07-07 08:25 <Tampa> No shit lol
2018-07-07 08:25 <BillBlight> I don't see that ever changing
2018-07-07 08:25 <Tampa> Well unless you want to create something that essentially checks if the address returns a valid ping or something
2018-07-07 08:25 <Tampa> I use it to keep people away hehe
2018-07-07 08:26 <BillBlight> or create a database of every known TLD extension so it knows what to parse
2018-07-07 08:26 <Tampa> You know how many there are now, plus within internal networks you can set whatever tld you want
2018-07-07 08:26 <BillBlight> exaclty my point
2018-07-07 08:27 <Tampa> Could possibly require http:// in front to for it to be seen as HG, but that just adds more stuff to type
2018-07-07 08:28 <Tampa> Or just escape the string first, check db, if not found it must be hg address
2018-07-07 08:28 <BillBlight> well then you would have to add conditions did the search come from local or is someone actuallyy searching for you from the HG
2018-07-07 08:29 <Tampa> Yeah, not impossible, just a lot of work for little gain
2018-07-07 08:30 <BillBlight> yep
2018-07-07 08:30 <BillBlight> one of those, "would be nice" things, but then what would it break and how much code would it take .. PLUS it would require total viewer agreement on how it was done ... GOOD LUCK WITH THAT
2018-07-07 08:31 <BillBlight> this change is only 3 lines of code, one on the server and two in the viewer
2018-07-07 08:32 <BillBlight> not even full ines
2018-07-07 08:32 <BillBlight> lines
2018-07-07 08:32 <BillBlight> on the server it is more like 4 characters worth of change LOL
2018-07-07 08:33 <Tampa> I'm all for quality of life improvements, probably more than I should
2018-07-07 08:34 <BillBlight> well, quality of life, for people who don't appreciate it, is not worth the trouble, but that is just my mood right now
2018-07-07 08:45 <Tampa> Grumpy old man lol
2018-07-07 13:16 <Ubit> tampa periods are not allowed, neither other chars
2018-07-07 13:16 <Ubit> thats normal
2018-07-07 13:17 <Ubit> periods in particular mean its a url and trigger hg searchs if allowed
2018-07-07 13:20 <Ubit> some sl rules ( that may count for viewers=
2018-07-07 13:20 <Ubit> - Must be more than 3, but less than 25 characters (spaces count)
2018-07-07 13:20 <Ubit> - Must contain three words or less
2018-07-07 13:20 <Ubit> - Must use only alphanumeric characters (no punctuation)
2018-07-07 13:21 <Ubit> - Must not be the name of a real life city (however, "New York Island" or "Los Angeles City" are fine)
2018-07-07 13:21 <Ubit> hmm that is not relevant  but curiurs
2018-07-07 15:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #5874 for job opensim » mono-5.12
2018-07-07 15:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5874: SUCCESS in 9 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5874/
2018-07-07 15:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #5875 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-07-07 15:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5875: SUCCESS in 7 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5875/
2018-07-07 15:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update contributors
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2018-07-07 21:22 <Aramis^> 'bout done there Scooter?  :)
2018-07-07 21:23 <Aramis^> or should I wait
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2018-07-07 23:08 <Ubit> changed http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Dependencies#Linux_and_Mac_OSX
2018-07-07 23:32 <BillBlight> I was just having a convo with someone , who is freaking out over the new master, yet they have not even touched httptests before this, they just assume it sucks ...  WTF people, not this projects fault if you keep yourself behind the curve ... Ok rant over ..
2018-07-07 23:33 <Tampa> Why do you subject yourself to this, it's only going to make you more jaded and grumpy
2018-07-07 23:33 <Tampa> You can't fix stupid
2018-07-07 23:34 <Ubit> well im been kicked all over also
2018-07-07 23:34 <Ubit> bahh
2018-07-07 23:34 <BillBlight> well for one , doubt I can get any more jaded or grumpy and two, these idiots show up on my doorstep
2018-07-07 23:34 <Ubit> aparently i already killed 3000 regions..
2018-07-07 23:34 <Tampa> Good
2018-07-07 23:34 <BillBlight> yeah I agree GOOD
2018-07-07 23:34 <Ubit> funny they are there running on older code..  
2018-07-07 23:35 <Tampa> Hopefully it's a wake up call for all those that cannot be arsed to keep their shit up to date
2018-07-07 23:35 <Ubit> but already presumed killed
2018-07-07 23:35 <BillBlight> This project has been moving slowly, it needed a kick in the pants
2018-07-07 23:35 <Tampa> Honestly, this is why we have issues like botnet routers kicking the internet in the teeth, people too lazy to update
2018-07-07 23:35 <BillBlight> and that is exactly what it is
2018-07-07 23:35 <BillBlight> LAZINESS
2018-07-07 23:36 <Tampa> Plus with the new stuff and mono requirements some of those god awful grids might actually run a bit better
2018-07-07 23:36 <BillBlight> but it is even more annoying the people who have refused to look at or test the new code, under the assumption it sucks, and it doesn't , just trash talk because they are too lazy 
2018-07-07 23:38 <Tampa> I have found that so many pieces of software and games running beta or alpha branches for the things that break you get ten times the return in performance and features, not to mention the fun of reporting bugs
2018-07-07 23:43 <BillBlight> all I can say is WOW, to all of this ....  People want opensim to move forward and when it does, "Oh that's not what we wanted" , and they have not even looked at it .
2018-07-07 23:44 <Tampa> Usually those who end up creating 100 duplicate entries on that outworldz crap
2018-07-07 23:44 <Tampa> "It's too complicated" well tough shit, such is life, ever filed your taxes.. no, of course not
2018-07-07 23:45 <Ubit> OUCTH dont remember taxes here
2018-07-07 23:45 <Tampa> Some things require knowledge, who would have thought
2018-07-07 23:45 <BillBlight> yeah those idiots ... but worse are the people that should know better, people who do actually know, but refuse to even bother, other than to bitch
2018-07-07 23:47 <BillBlight> BE like SL, Be Better than SL, oh shit we actually changed something , go back we are scared ...
2018-07-08 00:03 <BillBlight> smdh
2018-07-08 01:48 <misterblue> why are there so many images in OAR files that don't decompress... is there a problem with storing some JPEG2000 files?
2018-07-08 01:49 <Ubit> or with the lib
2018-07-08 01:49 <Ubit> or libs..
2018-07-08 01:49 <Ubit> it mb also a xml issue ??
2018-07-08 01:53 <misterblue> I've tried both OpenJPEG and CSJ2K... just seems odd that nearly every OAR file I look at has at least one image that doesn't extract
2018-07-08 01:53 <Ubit> yeap odd :(
2018-07-08 01:54 <misterblue> it also looks like some images are just missing... maybe stuff left over from asset server problems
2018-07-08 01:54 <Ubit> possible
2018-07-08 01:54 <Ubit> but oars get them also from regions cache
2018-07-08 02:19 <BillBlight> some of the corrupt or missing assets could be from HG items that did not make the complete trip, but the oar tried to save them anyway
2018-07-08 02:20 <Ubit> yeah that 2
2018-07-08 02:21 <Ubit> well hard to post-mortem analyses on that :(
2018-07-08 02:21 <BillBlight> yeah totally
2018-07-08 03:05 <Ubit> sleep.. have fun :)
2018-07-08 11:50 <osmantis> Bug #8308:04 System.DllNotFoundException: openjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll with mono 5.x on OSX 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8308 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-08 12:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #5876 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-07-08 12:45 <osmantis> Bug #8291:04 Add ability for banning via mac address 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8291 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-08 12:46 <osmantis> Bug #8291:04 Add ability for banning via mac address 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8291 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-07-08 12:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5876: SUCCESS in 8 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5876/
2018-07-08 12:52 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Add mac banning
2018-07-08 12:52 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: we don't use tab simbol, we use 4 whitespaces
2018-07-08 12:52 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: replace some string tests
2018-07-08 13:08 <osmantis> Bug #7794:04 MySQL connection in FSAssets times out after a few hours causing asset read / write failures. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7794 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-08 13:08 <osmantis> Bug #7794:04 MySQL connection in FSAssets times out after a few hours causing asset read / write failures. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7794 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-07-08 13:10 <osmantis> Bug #8001:04 BMP 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8001 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-07-08 13:10 <osmantis> Bug #8261:04 Allow changing map tile colors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8261 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-07-08 19:54 <osmantis> Bug #8332:04 POLL SERVICE WORKER THREAD 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8332 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-07-08 19:56 <osmantis> Bug #8332:04 POLL SERVICE WORKER THREAD 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8332 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-07-08 19:57 <osmantis> Bug #8332:04 POLL SERVICE WORKER THREAD 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8332 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-07-08 19:58 <osmantis> Bug #8332:04 POLL SERVICE WORKER THREAD 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8332 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-07-08 20:32 <BillBlight> Odd .. Had hundreds of sims running on this new code, and never seen that error, looks like the network on the system closed the connection ..
2018-07-08 22:29 <osmantis> Bug #7996:04 Correction of misspelled message, that resident receives on  teleport to restricted destination. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7996 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2018-07-09 03:40 <Tampa> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/UserAccounts#userFlags Anyone know what to enter if I wanted to set a user as having provided payment info?
2018-07-09 04:03 <djphil> Here on top: https://github.com/djphil/oshelpful/blob/master/HELPFUL.md
2018-07-09 04:03 <djphil> > Tampa
2018-07-09 04:04 <Tampa> Interesting, are those all possible flags?
2018-07-09 04:05 <djphil> All i know ... :p
2018-07-09 04:05 <djphil> don't know if other's are possible ...
2018-07-09 04:06 <Tampa> I don't know how to compute them so maybe I'll try others
2018-07-09 04:07 <djphil> But for exemple, if you whant "spacial" for Avatar Model or Avatar Banker you can use -1 -2 ...
2018-07-09 04:07 <djphil> special*
2018-07-09 04:09 <djphil> And if you know the role of "active", I would be happy to know him too :)
2018-07-09 04:10 <Tampa> I think that active thing was part of some standalone code not sure though
2018-07-09 04:10 <Tampa> Mainly trying to work out that "Must be 18+" thing in the estate settings
2018-07-09 04:11 <djphil> Mmm :s
2018-07-09 04:12 <djphil> and what value can it have ? -1, 0, 1 ... others ?
2018-07-09 04:12 <djphil> It is not much documented
2018-07-09 04:12 <Tampa> I think 0 or 1
2018-07-09 04:16 <djphil> Mmm :p
2018-07-09 04:37 <Tampa> Okay that payment info on file thing seems to only work on the estate settings
2018-07-09 04:38 <Tampa> but 200 for userflags does not allow entry into the region
2018-07-09 04:44 <Tampa> 600 does nothing either. I wonder if they do anything at all without a service available
2018-07-09 04:44 <Tampa> No idea what that checks though
2018-07-09 04:47 <djphil> You know more than me ^^
2018-07-09 04:48 <djphil> I have never tested that and I'm still waiting for Mel's OpenCurrency
2018-07-09 04:49 <djphil> I guess it's related
2018-07-09 05:07 <Tampa> I asked colosi about this, have not heard back yet, be nice if I could at least figure out how to disable this stuff, because people keep setting that in their estate settings and then cannot teleport in -.-
2018-07-09 05:09 <djphil> It's annoying
2018-07-09 05:09 <djphil>  :p
2018-07-09 05:10 <Plugh> Tampa, they are bit fields. 
2018-07-09 05:12 <Plugh> If you have access to a calculator program that can show values in binary you can see which bits are set then use that table to see which flags are active.
2018-07-09 05:12 <Plugh> IIRC, under Windows you can use the calculator in programming mode.
2018-07-09 05:13 <Plugh> djphil: The land flags are a bit odd as they are shown as Hex codes instead of bit numbers.
2018-07-09 05:14 <Plugh> djphil: Nice to see all the flags in one place.
2018-07-09 05:15 <djphil> true :)
2018-07-09 05:18 <Plugh> djphil: Under "User account flags" 0600 is "Member Estatute". Um... "Estatute"???
2018-07-09 05:18 <Plugh> Oh. I think that is supposed to be Estate.
2018-07-09 05:18 <djphil> Oops, ty :)
2018-07-09 05:18 <Plugh> yw
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2018-07-09 05:22 <Plugh> djphil: usseraccounts -> useraccounts
2018-07-09 05:23 <Plugh> Ah, those values are in hex. The OS wiki page explains a bit more about those values.
2018-07-09 05:24 <Tampa> I'm still a bit lost tbh, but I think no matter what I set it seems to not really be read
2018-07-09 05:26 <djphil> Fixed, ta,k's :)
2018-07-09 05:26 <Plugh> djphil: The user accounts flags in your page doesn't seem to quite match what I'm reading in the OS wiki. I'll need to do some digging to be able to verify and clarify the wiki page.
2018-07-09 05:27 <Plugh> Tampa: I suppose it helps to be familiar with binary numbers.
2018-07-09 05:28 <djphil> Plugh: I do not know where exactly I got these values. Maybe somewhere in libow
2018-07-09 05:28 <Plugh> yeah.
2018-07-09 05:31 <djphil> Soon a new wiki page "All Opensim Bits & Flags" :p
2018-07-09 05:34 <Plugh> :)
2018-07-09 05:37 <Tampa> About to throw at brick at something, Heartbeat keeps timing out
2018-07-09 05:42 <Plugh> Time for bed. Night, all.
2018-07-09 08:10 <Tampa> Okay so I tried setting "Must be 18+" and "Payment Info on File" to true in the Estate Settings. I set the user account UserFlags to 288, which I believe should be setting those Flags to true for the user, unless my binary calc is off which it might be. Still getting a return from the region that the user is on the banlist. Http debug does not show if there is any attempt made to figure out that userflags. Robust seems to request the 
2018-07-09 08:10 <Tampa> region flags, but I don't know what the return is.
2018-07-09 08:13 <Tampa> Is the UserFlag even actually tested on teleport?
2018-07-09 08:26 <osmantis> Bug #8308:04 System.DllNotFoundException: openjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll with mono 5.x on OSX 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8308 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-09 08:51 <Tampa> djphil I tried all these flags, either they are not handled in code or they are wrong
2018-07-09 08:51 <Tampa> Starting to think its unhandled
2018-07-09 09:59 <Tampa> https://pastebin.com/ChSvnEyy Teleport failure then this happens, latest master
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2018-07-09 18:16 <BillBlight> Ok just for the record, I use jopensim, and setting a user to age verified does allow them to land on a sim with 18+ set ..  Just an FYI so on the sim side it is checking and using those fields
2018-07-09 18:19 <BillBlight> user flag for age verified is 32
2018-07-09 18:20 <Plugh> Bit 5.
2018-07-09 18:20 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2018-07-09 18:31 <Ubit> i think i had told its dec 32, hex 0x20 and bit 5 :p
2018-07-09 18:32 <Ubit> plugh some bit fields are set in hex, bc it is very easy to read
2018-07-09 18:32 <Ubit> esay to see that 0x30 means bits 4 and 5
2018-07-09 18:38 <Ubit> well anyways you are welcome to port opensim to vhdl or verilog :)
2018-07-09 18:38 <Ubit> opensim on a fpga lol
2018-07-09 18:55 <Plugh> Ubit, easy for you and I. Not everyone handles binary, hex, and octal number systems easily.
2018-07-09 18:55 <Plugh> hehe... OS on an FPGA.  :)
2018-07-09 18:55 <Ubit> well it is code for .. coders :)
2018-07-09 18:55 <Plugh> yup.
2018-07-09 18:58 <Ubit> and we do have several places with bits in decimal.. nahh that i can't read :)
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2018-07-09 20:34 <osmantis> Bug #8332:04 POLL SERVICE WORKER THREAD 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8332 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2018-07-09 20:34 <osmantis> Bug #8332:04 POLL SERVICE WORKER THREAD 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8332 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2018-07-10 02:31 <Tampa> I tried every number from 0 to 319 and none seemed to let the avatar into the region, either there is an external service polled for this or I am entering it wrong
2018-07-10 03:00 <Plugh> Tampa, to mark an avatar as having provided payment information you need to set bit 2 in the userflags field of the avatars UserAccounts record.
2018-07-10 03:01 <Tampa> How would I go about doing that, which number is that?
2018-07-10 03:06 <Plugh> Convert the userflags value to binary then you can see if the bit is set or not. If not you would add a value of 4 to set the bit then convert back to binary.
2018-07-10 03:06 <Plugh> back to decimal.
2018-07-10 03:08 <Plugh> If you use Windows you can use the Calculator program to do this. Just put the program in to Programmer mode.
2018-07-10 03:31 <Tampa> bit 2 is 10 in binary, so I write 2 into the db or 10?
2018-07-10 04:02 <Tampa> 63 should set bits 0-5 to 1, but entering that into the database does not seem to work
2018-07-10 04:19 <Tampa> I set it to 60 now, requires relogging to take effect which is odd, but with 60 I can enter
2018-07-10 04:29 <Plugh> Bit numbers start at 0. Bit 2 is 100 in binary (4 decimal)
2018-07-10 04:35 <BillBlight> 32 works on my grid
2018-07-10 04:39 <Tampa> Trying to set both payment on file and age verified
2018-07-10 04:41 <Tampa> The fact it requires a relog annoys me a bit
2018-07-10 04:42 <BillBlight> for both payment on file and age verified try 36
2018-07-10 07:21 <Tampa> djphil I think your userflags are wrong. The numbers represented on the wiki 1,2,4 are the decimals that need to be entered into the database. They are added up to set multiple.
2018-07-10 07:28 <Tampa> Now the question is for the Account Types, do just the corresponding bits need to be set or all previous ones as well aka 3903 the highest account type with all user flags or 2111
2018-07-10 07:33 <BillBlight> remember one of those flags is currently online, don't want to hardcode that one
2018-07-10 07:33 <Tampa> I have doubts, shouldn't that then be set when the account is logged in, cause it most certainly isn't
2018-07-10 07:34 <Tampa> Only thing I can think of it would do is set them as always online
2018-07-10 07:34 <BillBlight> with payment info , Payment info used, and not online the  user flag is 44
2018-07-10 07:35 <Tampa> Setting them all really seems to have no effect on online status though
2018-07-10 07:35 <BillBlight> when forced online it becomes 60
2018-07-10 07:36 <BillBlight> no the online one does not seem to do anything
2018-07-10 07:36 <Tampa> Yeah bigger question I have is what Account Type does and if they need the bits of the lower level set or just the one of the level you want
2018-07-10 07:36 <Tampa> aka 1111 vs 1000
2018-07-10 07:36 <BillBlight> the number in the db is 44
2018-07-10 07:37 <BillBlight> for everything except online
2018-07-10 07:37 <Tampa> For the user flags, talking about the bits 8 through 11 thing Account Type as the doc says
2018-07-10 07:38 <BillBlight> https://www.dropbox.com/s/hq6aktyg367u2qn/userflag.jpg?dl=0
2018-07-10 07:40 <Tampa> Damnit Bill I know that, I am talking about "Bits 8-11 are the user account level"     Account Types: 
2018-07-10 07:40 <Tampa>     0 = Normal user (Resident) 
2018-07-10 07:40 <Tampa>     1 = Trial Member 
2018-07-10 07:40 <Tampa>     2 = Charter Member 
2018-07-10 07:40 <Tampa>     3 = Linden Labs Employee 
2018-07-10 07:41 <BillBlight> all the others except online , with "employee" set it is 812
2018-07-10 07:41 <BillBlight> normal user it was still 44
2018-07-10 07:41 <BillBlight> same place
2018-07-10 07:42 <Tampa> So it's just the bit of the account level you want, not all previous included then
2018-07-10 07:42 <BillBlight> with charter member it is 556
2018-07-10 07:43 <BillBlight> with trial it is 300
2018-07-10 07:44 <Tampa> Any idea on what those actually do inworld?
2018-07-10 07:44 <BillBlight> they are just titles I do belive they have no actual bearing on account function
2018-07-10 07:45 <BillBlight> for LL they might, for us userlevel is the factor
2018-07-10 07:45 <Tampa> Thought they might result in something like that God Account thing that turns the minimap icons dark blue
2018-07-10 07:46 <BillBlight> I've been set to emploee the whole time in my grid, does not seem to make a diff
2018-07-10 07:48 <Tampa> Wonder if copying the God Account stuff over to also apply to those set as employees would be a fun project for today hehe
2018-07-10 07:48 <Tampa> In any case good to know
2018-07-10 07:48 <BillBlight> seems like more trouble than it is worth, but a fun experiment I guess
2018-07-10 07:49 <Tampa> djphil, it would probably be helpful to add a table to the doc to show what exactly is meant with the whole bit field thing
2018-07-10 07:50 <Tampa> Well I mainly been interested in solving that issue with people setting their estates to these flags, thinking maybe should talk to colosi about building age verification into gloebit or something, I don't think there is a module for that anymore, last one I knew seems to be abandoned
2018-07-10 07:50 <Tampa> Though I suppose it would not be hard to simply make that in php either...
2018-07-10 07:51 <BillBlight> yes, that is how I figured it out, via jopensim, which is php and can set those flags, so yes I cheated
2018-07-10 07:52 <Tampa> Still wondering why it requires a relog to take effect, can't find the code that checks it
2018-07-10 07:53 <BillBlight> because it caches your userinfo on login
2018-07-10 07:53 <BillBlight> does not expect that to change live
2018-07-10 07:53 <BillBlight> just changing sims may do it, but I doubt it
2018-07-10 07:53 <BillBlight> your user info is only checked on login, same reason changing userlevel requires a login
2018-07-10 07:54 <BillBlight> login/relog
2018-07-10 07:54 <BillBlight> that is why you will see "godlike" login if a god user logs in, it is checked then
2018-07-10 07:54 <Tampa> I think I switched regions when I was testing so yeah login only
2018-07-10 08:07 <BillBlight> https://pastebin.com/BA48y1EZ
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2018-07-10 13:46 <osmantis> Bug #8333:04 [Patch] Allow OpenSimConsoleHistory to have Date/time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8333 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-07-10 13:47 <osmantis> Bug #8333:04 [Patch] Allow OpenSimConsoleHistory to have Date/time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8333 ): has a PATCH ready to apply to trunk
2018-07-10 14:14 <osmantis> Bug #8333:04 [Patch] Allow OpenSimConsoleHistory to have Date/time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8333 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-10 15:40 <Tampa> I don't quite get what that patch is supposed to solve
2018-07-10 15:41 <osmantis> Bug #8333:04 [Patch] Allow OpenSimConsoleHistory to have Date/time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8333 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-10 15:41 <BillBlight> Pretty sure, they did not understand what consolehistory.txt was actually for and thought it was just a log file ..
2018-07-10 17:23 <jakdaniels> i did the original console history patch 'cos I wanted the console to be a bit more linux like. Modelled on .bash_history of course.  If I'd wanted it to be a log it would have been consolehistory.log ;)
2018-07-10 17:26 <osmantis> Bug #8333:04 [Patch] Allow OpenSimConsoleHistory to have Date/time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8333 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-10 17:31 <osmantis> Bug #8333:04 [Patch] Allow OpenSimConsoleHistory to have Date/time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8333 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-10 17:59 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid.
2018-07-10 19:15 <Tampa> [YEngine]: leaving it to the default script engine (XMREngine) to process it
2018-07-10 19:15 <Tampa> huh?
2018-07-10 19:17 <Ubit> hmm ?
2018-07-10 19:17 <Ubit> go fix the default engine setting
2018-07-10 19:23 <Plugh> jakdaniels: Perhaps you can look in to some odd behaviour of the instance console. If you haven't used it for a while when you go in to the console and hit enter it throws red text.
2018-07-10 19:23 <Tampa> That's set to XEngine
2018-07-10 19:23 <Tampa> XEngine is turned off
2018-07-10 19:23 <Plugh> jakdaniels: That may or may not be related to the use of the screen process to control the OS instance.
2018-07-10 19:25 <Tampa> Plugh, I never had that happen, screen likes to start me half way up the page and overwrite lines rather than the cursor being at the bottom, but it should not throw red just because it's in screen
2018-07-10 19:26 <Plugh> Tampa: I don't know if screen has anything to do with it. I am usually running instances via screen.
2018-07-10 19:26 <jakdaniels> I've always used tmux instead of screen, but not seen that happen either. What does the red text say?
2018-07-10 19:27 <Plugh> I don't know if I have a copy of the text.
2018-07-10 19:27 <Plugh> It isn't an easily reproducible problem. It just seems to happen now and then.
2018-07-10 19:28 <Tampa> Large amounts or just a line or two?
2018-07-10 19:28 <Plugh> just a line or two.
2018-07-10 19:28 <Plugh> maybe 3.
2018-07-10 19:29 <Plugh> I haven't seen it for a while. Its possible it went away with a change in mono and/or change in the grid code.
2018-07-10 19:29 <Tampa> You don't happen to know what service they were coming from? Watchdog likes to complain about dead threads as of late and from time to time you get some scripts or mesh having hiccups
2018-07-10 19:30 <Tampa> Most other things tend to be large stacktraces
2018-07-10 19:32 <Plugh> I kept a report from one of the last times I had the issue -> https://pastebin.com/XPSFqjPT
2018-07-10 19:32 <Plugh> That was from June 23, 2013.
2018-07-10 19:33 <Plugh> That would have been in the days of 0.8.2
2018-07-10 19:33 <Plugh> Just an FYI to keep an eye out for the issues in case it still exists.
2018-07-10 19:34 <Plugh> bbl
2018-07-10 19:34 <Tampa> hm
2018-07-10 19:53 <osmantis> Bug #8308:04 System.DllNotFoundException: openjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll with mono 5.x on OSX 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8308 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-10 20:04 <osmantis> Bug #8333:04 [Patch] Allow OpenSimConsoleHistory to have Date/time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8333 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-10 20:09 <osmantis> Bug #8333:04 [Patch] Allow OpenSimConsoleHistory to have Date/time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8333 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-10 20:09 <osmantis> Bug #8333:04 [Patch] Allow OpenSimConsoleHistory to have Date/time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8333 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-10 20:10 <osmantis> Bug #8333:04 [Patch] Allow OpenSimConsoleHistory to have Date/time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8333 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2018-07-10 22:26 <Ubit> the default is for the case where you run 2 script engines
2018-07-10 22:26 <Ubit> having only one it should point to the on in use, i think
2018-07-10 22:29 <Ubit> that xmr as default is odd, possible a script of early testing ??
2018-07-10 22:29 <Ubit> they now do have proper tag:
2018-07-10 22:30 <Ubit> <ScriptState Engine="YEngine" Asse
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2018-07-11 02:11 <Ubit> hmm jenkis? allo ?
2018-07-11 02:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #5877 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-07-11 02:14 <Plugh> Jenkins is a little slow tonight?
2018-07-11 02:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5877: SUCCESS in 8 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5877/
2018-07-11 02:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Bug fix: Object Wear was doing Add not replace
2018-07-11 03:00 <BillBlight> for those that might be affected ... https://www.sensorstechforum.com/arch-linux-aur-repository-found-contain-malware/
2018-07-11 04:34 <Tampa> Never been the greatest fan of arch, but wtf. This is not the first time this has happened though.
2018-07-11 06:56 <osmantis> Bug #8334:04 Comailing crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8334 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-07-11 07:31 <osmantis> Bug #8334:04 Comailing crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8334 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-11 07:42 <osmantis> Bug #8308:04 System.DllNotFoundException: openjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll with mono 5.x on OSX 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8308 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-11 07:55 <osmantis> Bug #8334:04 Comailing crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8334 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-11 08:42 <osmantis> Bug #8308:04 System.DllNotFoundException: openjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll with mono 5.x on OSX 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8308 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-11 09:49 <osmantis> Bug #8335:04 0 + 0 = ? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8335 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-07-11 09:54 <osmantis> Bug #8335:04 0 + 0 = ? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8335 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2018-07-11 09:54 <osmantis> Bug #8335:04 0 + 0 = ? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8335 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2018-07-11 09:57 <osmantis> Bug #8336:04 Just for fun 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8336 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-07-11 10:30 <osmantis> Bug #8308:04 System.DllNotFoundException: openjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll with mono 5.x on OSX 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8308 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-11 10:35 <osmantis> Bug #8336:04 Just for fun 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8336 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-11 10:35 <osmantis> Bug #8336:04 Just for fun 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8336 ): has been ACKNOWLEDGED.
2018-07-11 10:35 <osmantis> Bug #8308:04 System.DllNotFoundException: openjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll with mono 5.x on OSX 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8308 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2018-07-11 10:35 <osmantis> Bug #8337:04 YEngine references Mono.Tasklets 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8337 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-07-11 10:36 <osmantis> Bug #8308:04 System.DllNotFoundException: openjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll with mono 5.x on OSX 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8308 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2018-07-11 11:11 <osmantis> Bug #8308:04 System.DllNotFoundException: openjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll with mono 5.x on OSX 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8308 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-11 11:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #5878 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-07-11 11:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5878: SUCCESS in 8 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5878/
2018-07-11 11:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Mantis 8308: update libopenjpeg-dotnet-2-1.5.0-dotnet-1.dylib adding missing 64bit support. Built with the macOS 10.13 SDK on Xcode 9.4.1. Thanks Gavin Hird for providing us this.
2018-07-11 11:35 <osmantis> Bug #8114:04 Giving possibility to add/remove estate manager via simulator console. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8114 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2018-07-11 12:06 <osmantis> Bug #8336:04 Just for fun 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8336 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-11 12:15 <osmantis> Bug #8217:04 Add functionality to handle Estates through Regions.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8217 ): has been ACKNOWLEDGED.
2018-07-11 12:39 <osmantis> Bug #8336:04 Just for fun 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8336 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-11 12:40 <osmantis> Bug #8217:04 Add functionality to handle Estates through Regions.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8217 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-11 12:41 <Tampa> Nice to see development picking up a bit!
2018-07-11 12:51 <osmantis> Bug #8336:04 Just for fun 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8336 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-11 13:06 <osmantis> Bug #8336:04 Just for fun 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8336 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-11 13:59 <osmantis> Bug #8336:04 Just for fun 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8336 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-11 13:59 <osmantis> Bug #8336:04 Just for fun 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8336 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-07-11 14:06 <Plugh> That code was generated by CSTools. Its pretty standard.
2018-07-11 14:07 <Tampa> I "fixed" that warning last year, but yeah, plus I suppose can't hurt to have redundancy hehe
2018-07-11 14:08 <Tampa> Ubit has done a great job of getting the warning count down, makes it a lot easier to see real issues now
2018-07-11 15:33 <BillBlight> I don't think developemnet is picking up , I think we are seeing people that failed to test the new code , trying to put their 2 cents in, and find issues with it ..
2018-07-11 15:41 <Plugh> Tampa: Amazing how quickly you can eliminate warnings when you remove lines of code. 
2018-07-11 15:41 <Plugh> hehe... just kidding.
2018-07-11 15:41 <Plugh> Ubit has done a great job in reducing warning count. I remember when there was well over 100 warnings.
2018-07-11 15:49 <BillBlight> Yes I get 3 warnings on Linux and I think 2 on windows ... coming from over 100 is great .. But it just goes to show that people are never satisfied ..  They got comfortable with over a hundred, now that it is low , they want NONE ..
2018-07-11 16:04 <BillBlight> the experts are crawling out of the woodwork now , like cockroaches ....
2018-07-11 16:15 <Plugh> hehe
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2018-07-11 16:51 <osmantis> Bug #8308:04 System.DllNotFoundException: openjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll with mono 5.x on OSX 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8308 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-11 17:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #5879 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-07-11 17:27 <osmantis> Bug #8335:04 0 + 0 = ? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8335 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-11 17:27 <osmantis> Bug #8335:04 0 + 0 = ? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8335 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-07-11 17:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5879: SUCCESS in 7 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5879/
2018-07-11 17:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8335: fix string format
2018-07-11 17:51 <osmantis> Bug #8035:04 Parcel Primlimit does not work correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-11 17:54 <osmantis> Bug #8329:04 WebUtil: Deserialization failures in LogAndDeserialize 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8329 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-07-11 17:55 <osmantis> Bug #8311:04 llAcos and llAsin return NaN for values very close to 1.0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8311 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-07-11 18:51 <Tampa> Was talking about Fly coming out of the woodwork and submitting some things, not really about that "this broken blah" things
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2018-07-12 18:46 <Plugh> Does llGetObjectDetails only work for rezzed prims and not for items in a prims inventory?
2018-07-12 18:54 <Ubit> rezzed only
2018-07-12 18:56 <Ubit> and region only unlike sl
2018-07-12 18:56 <Ubit> at least until we do had child objects the seem to have ( guessing )
2018-07-12 18:57 <Ubit> add not had
2018-07-12 18:57 <Tampa> Wouldn't that just need a call to the asset server?
2018-07-12 18:58 <Ubit> oops sl looks on other regions areas for avatars only
2018-07-12 18:58 <Ubit> no tampa
2018-07-12 19:57 <Fly-Man-> Evening 
2018-07-12 19:57 <Fly-Man-> Is it just me or are both the Git and the main website down ?
2018-07-12 19:59 <Tampa> Webserver crashed again, has it really been a year already :D
2018-07-12 19:59 <Fly-Man-> 
ACTION grins

2018-07-12 19:59 <Fly-Man-> I thought it was every 1 year and 1 day
2018-07-12 20:01 <Fly-Man-> But did the whole box crash ?
2018-07-12 20:01 <Fly-Man-> or is it just the webserver
2018-07-12 20:01 <Plugh> Tampa: It is an annual event? 
2018-07-12 20:04 <Tampa> I remember last time it crashed it was summer too, I think that was last year could have been two
2018-07-12 20:07 <Plugh> Maybe it doesn't like working in the hot weather. :)
2018-07-12 20:08 <Fly-Man-> And I always thought that the dist came from a different server
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2018-07-12 20:44 <Tampa> Anyone know if the Account: box in the profile is able to parse newline?
2018-07-12 20:53 <BillBlight> you mean parse \n ? or <cr>
2018-07-12 20:55 <BillBlight> it does seem to parse both
2018-07-12 20:55 <BillBlight> just tested it
2018-07-12 20:56 <BillBlight> but at least on my system it parses and replaces \n with a <cr>
2018-07-12 20:56 <BillBlight> so the \n vanishes from the text on the back end
2018-07-12 21:11 <Tampa> Scratching my head over what that was lol \n of course
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2018-07-13 08:31 <elr0bl0> is there a 1.9.1 diva distribution with wifi? or a recent opensim with a working web interface?
2018-07-13 08:32 <elr0bl0> 0.9.1 i mean
2018-07-13 10:56 <osmantis> Bug #8338:04 Group Powers changed and Officers role brought back for Groups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8338 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-07-13 10:59 <osmantis> Bug #8338:04 Group Powers changed and Officers role brought back for Groups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8338 ): has a PATCH ready to apply to trunk
2018-07-13 13:46 <osmantis> Bug #8333:04 [Patch] Allow OpenSimConsoleHistory to have Date/time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8333 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-13 13:47 <osmantis> Bug #8035:04 Parcel Primlimit does not work correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-13 13:50 <osmantis> Bug #8308:04 System.DllNotFoundException: openjpeg-dotnet-x86_64.dll with mono 5.x on OSX 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8308 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-07-13 14:11 <osmantis> Bug #8114:04 [PATCH] Giving possibility to add/remove estate manager via simulator console. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8114 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-07-13 14:11 <osmantis> Bug #8338:04 [PATCH] Group Powers changed and Officers role brought back for Groups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8338 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-07-13 14:28 <osmantis> Bug #8333:04 [Patch] Allow OpenSimConsoleHistory to have Date/time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8333 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-13 14:31 <osmantis> Bug #8338:04 [PATCH] Group Powers changed and Officers role brought back for Groups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8338 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-13 14:33 <osmantis> Bug #8114:04 [PATCH] Giving possibility to add/remove estate manager via simulator console. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8114 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-13 14:37 <osmantis> Bug #8114:04 [PATCH] Giving possibility to add/remove estate manager via simulator console. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8114 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-13 14:39 <osmantis> Bug #8333:04 [Patch] Allow OpenSimConsoleHistory to have Date/time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8333 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-13 14:39 <osmantis> Bug #8114:04 [PATCH] Giving possibility to add/remove estate manager via simulator console. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8114 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-13 14:42 <osmantis> Bug #8333:04 [Patch] Allow OpenSimConsoleHistory to have Date/time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8333 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-13 14:53 <osmantis> Bug #8338:04 [PATCH] Group Powers changed and Officers role brought back for Groups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8338 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2018-07-13 16:41 <osmantis> Bug #8035:04 Parcel Primlimit does not work correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8035 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2018-07-13 22:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #5880 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-07-13 22:06 <osmantis> Bug #8338:04 [PATCH] Group Powers changed and Officers role brought back for Groups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8338 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-13 22:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5880: SUCCESS in 8 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5880/
2018-07-13 22:12 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Group Powers changed and Officers role brought back for Groups
2018-07-13 22:12 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: minor changes to last patch
2018-07-13 23:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #5881 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-07-13 23:49 <osmantis> Bug #8333:04 [Patch] Allow OpenSimConsoleHistory to have Date/time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8333 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-13 23:54 <osmantis> Bug #8333:04 [Patch] Allow OpenSimConsoleHistory to have Date/time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8333 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-13 23:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5881: SUCCESS in 6 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5881/
2018-07-13 23:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8333: kept idea but my own code. With ini setting ConsoleHistoryTimeStamp set to true, the console history file will have timestamps. Im lazy date is in en-us culture for now. (robust also)
2018-07-13 23:55 <osmantis> Bug #8333:04 [Patch] Allow OpenSimConsoleHistory to have Date/time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8333 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-14 00:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #5882 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-07-14 00:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5882: SUCCESS in 6 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5882/
2018-07-14 00:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update ini.example files
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2018-07-14 01:03 <osmantis> Bug #8333:04 [Patch] Allow OpenSimConsoleHistory to have Date/time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8333 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2018-07-14 01:04 <osmantis> Bug #8338:04 [PATCH] Group Powers changed and Officers role brought back for Groups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8338 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-07-14 01:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #5883 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-07-14 01:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5883: SUCCESS in 6 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5883/
2018-07-14 01:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missed one
2018-07-14 02:18 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-14 02:19 <Plugh> I thought that problem has been solved in master with a recent mono.
2018-07-14 02:20 <Ubit> that strage
2018-07-14 02:20 <Plugh> Hm... the problem is now happening under Windows??
2018-07-14 02:20 <Ubit> and kill process fail ? ohh
2018-07-14 02:20 <Ubit> odd
2018-07-14 02:21 <Plugh> indeed
2018-07-14 02:22 <Plugh> I haven't played my Eagles CDs in a while. I need to add a number of the songs to list of ones I want to learn to play.
2018-07-14 02:24 <Ubit> im listenning to singerGirl 
2018-07-14 02:44 <BillBlight> You know that 9x httptests/master can't handle more than 15 avies right .... LOL
2018-07-14 02:44 <BillBlight> 
ACTION looks at region count

2018-07-14 02:45 <BillBlight> 27 and the region is not even breaking a sweat ..
2018-07-14 02:45 <Ubit> wait for the end.. it may crash lol
2018-07-14 02:45 <BillBlight> nope
2018-07-14 02:45 <BillBlight> bet ya money
2018-07-14 02:45 <Ubit> and im there remember?
2018-07-14 02:45 <BillBlight> oh shit
2018-07-14 02:45 <BillBlight> that is right
2018-07-14 02:45 <BillBlight> ummm
2018-07-14 02:45 <BillBlight> the bet is off
2018-07-14 02:45 <Ubit> lol
2018-07-14 02:46 <BillBlight> 28
2018-07-14 02:47 <Ubit> those lights yeakk good ive sun glasses
2018-07-14 02:47 <Ubit> but only 100kbps not bad
2018-07-14 03:06 <Ubit> ok sleep time :)
2018-07-14 03:11 <Plugh> About time for me to do one last thing before calling it a night.
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2018-07-14 09:51 <fantasy> hi all 
2018-07-14 09:52 <fantasy> anyone now how with latest repository source code with visual studio 2017 give me this error LLSDxmlEncode not exist in content in Opensim.Framework solution
2018-07-14 09:53 <fantasy> InventoryItemBase.cs
2018-07-14 13:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #5884 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-07-14 13:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5884: SUCCESS in 8 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5884/
2018-07-14 13:58 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add using into a few more places
2018-07-14 13:58 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: drop compatibility with old robust that did not suport inventoryService.GetMultipleItems
2018-07-14 13:58 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: some cleanup
2018-07-14 13:58 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: have default ids of avatar alpha and tattoo
2018-07-14 13:58 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: send data as bin not string to http lower level
2018-07-14 13:58 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add a disabled log
2018-07-14 13:58 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add missing xml escape
2018-07-14 15:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #5885 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-07-14 15:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5885: SUCCESS in 7 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5885/
2018-07-14 15:56 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: do not use lossless compression on dyntextures
2018-07-14 15:56 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: only resize if need
2018-07-14 15:56 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change bitmasks work
2018-07-14 15:56 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: recover lost null check in last commit
2018-07-14 15:56 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add options for regions to ignore age < 18 and payment access control where they don't apply
2018-07-14 15:56 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change the scope of those options variables
2018-07-14 15:56 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: save a sqrt call
2018-07-14 16:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #5886 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-07-14 16:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5886: SUCCESS in 6 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5886/
2018-07-14 16:10 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: use Vector.Distance not util..
2018-07-14 16:10 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: a few changes about test mesh uploads
2018-07-14 16:56 <Tampa> What exactly does commit ra4881797b978 enable?
2018-07-14 17:05 <BillBlight> reading the commit it appears it adds two options under the estate settings
2018-07-14 17:05 <BillBlight> IgnoreEstateMinorAccessControl and IgnoreEstatePaymentAccessControl
2018-07-14 17:06 <BillBlight> appears when those are true the region ignores those settings
2018-07-14 17:09 <BillBlight> and it looks like they are true by default, which annoys me, lol
2018-07-14 17:28 <Tampa> They are not documented in the config file
2018-07-14 17:29 <Tampa> Ubit, if you add options add them to the ini as well so people know what they are
2018-07-14 17:29 <Tampa> Building on this then means anyone who used these flags properly will need to edit configs
2018-07-14 17:30 <Tampa> And yes, BillBlight, I don't think their default should be true
2018-07-14 17:30 <BillBlight> he just added them, maybe just not got around to adding the INI's yet ... LOL  Impatient people
2018-07-14 17:33 <Tampa> Doing it all in one commit be nice so I don't have to maintain some many regressions, but oh well guess I gotta edit configs now -.-
2018-07-14 17:33 <Ubit> defualt is false
2018-07-14 17:33 <BillBlight> ok they are not set to true by default they are false, I looked at it bassackwards
2018-07-14 17:33 <Ubit> 
ACTION forces bill to sit right on chair

2018-07-14 17:34 <Tampa> That, the fact you read it wrong, tells me these may get misunderstood
2018-07-14 17:34 <BillBlight> we know it is all about making it easier on you Tampa ... :P
2018-07-14 17:34 <BillBlight> hehe
2018-07-14 17:34 <Ubit> 
ACTION cleans the tons of dust out of bill's glasses

2018-07-14 17:34 <Ubit> errr
2018-07-14 17:34 <Ubit> 
ACTION goes clean his glasses

2018-07-14 17:34 <BillBlight> find me a new pair while you are at it, these have screen burn
2018-07-14 17:36 <Ubit> 
ACTION decides the washing machine is a bit to large just for the glasses

2018-07-14 17:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #5887 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-07-14 17:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5887: SUCCESS in 6 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5887/
2018-07-14 17:48 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: minor cleanup
2018-07-14 17:48 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: typos
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2018-07-14 20:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #5888 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-07-14 20:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5888: SUCCESS in 6 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5888/
2018-07-14 20:57 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: http reusecontext is obsolete
2018-07-14 20:57 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: http reusecontext is obsolete
2018-07-14 20:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #5889 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-07-14 21:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5889: SUCCESS in 6 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5889/
2018-07-14 21:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: http reusecontext is obsolete
2018-07-14 21:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #5890 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-07-14 21:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5890: SUCCESS in 6 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5890/
2018-07-14 21:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: http reusecontext is obsolete
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2018-07-15 21:55 <djphil> q
2018-07-15 21:55 <djphil> oops :p
2018-07-15 22:20 <Velus> ?
2018-07-15 22:34 <Ubit> he trying to kill us all with that quit comand
2018-07-15 22:34 <Ubit> :p
2018-07-15 22:35 <Ubit> tried..
2018-07-15 22:35 <Ubit> i usually do worse.. do shutdown :p
2018-07-15 22:35 <Velus> lol
2018-07-15 22:40 <Ubit> and of course just a few days ago i did shutdown a remote machine by similar mistake
2018-07-15 22:40 <Velus> better than a wipe command
2018-07-15 22:40 <Ubit> damm chair to keyboard interface..
2018-07-15 22:41 <BillBlight> ID 10 T error
2018-07-15 22:42 <Ubit> see what i mean about bad chair to keyboard interfaces ?
2018-07-15 22:43 <Ubit> Bill also has a lot of those issues :p
2018-07-15 22:43 <BillBlight> 
ACTION is guilty

2018-07-15 23:04 <Ubit> sleep time
2018-07-16 08:55 <Naiyro> Bonjour, j'ai des difficulté pour lancer opensim en mode grille en utilisant mariadb.En suivant ce tuto : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Fr/Configuration au moment de lancer robust.exe J'ai des message d'erreur disant qu'il est incapabe de se connecter à mysql. Comment lui dire que j'utilise mariadb ???
2018-07-16 08:58 <Naiyro> Hello, I'm having trouble running opensim in grid mode using mariadb. When >I run robust.exe I get error messages saying it is unable to connect to mysql. How  tell him I'm using mariadb?
2018-07-16 08:58 <Ubit> maria is the same as mysql on config
2018-07-16 08:59 <Ubit> opensim does not know or needs to know if its mysql or maria
2018-07-16 09:01 <Naiyro> Ok, so how can I correct the error messages ?
2018-07-16 09:01 <Ubit> check the coonection string
2018-07-16 09:02 <Ubit> and make sure mariadb charset is utf8 with 3 bytes, not 4
2018-07-16 09:04 <Naiyro> I will check that. Ty
2018-07-16 12:19 <Naiyro> Hello, Always the same error when I run robust.exe. The connection string is ok because it works with an old verion of opensim. The error messages is :
2018-07-16 12:19 <Naiyro> Error loading plugin OpenSim.Services.Interfaces.IAssetService from OpenSim.Services.AssetService.dll. exception: Unable to connect to any of the specified MySQL hosts.System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: An exception was thrown by the target of a call. MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlException: Unable to connect to any of the specified MySQL hosts. System.Net.Sockets.SocketException: An attempt to access a socket in a manner prohibited by its 
2018-07-16 12:19 <Naiyro> access permissions has been attempted [::1]:3306
2018-07-16 12:19 <Naiyro> Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator
2018-07-16 12:34 <Naiyro_> Sorry if anyone answered. I've been disconnected ...
2018-07-16 12:54 <osmantis> Bug #8339:04 [BULLETSIM] caught exception meshing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8339 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2018-07-16 13:08 <Velus> hey all just a few quickies here? would opensim run on arm7 processors? and also whats the minimum spec if you was splitting robust up?
2018-07-16 13:41 <Tampa> Runs on armhf, but any larger load and it falls over depending on what armhf chip you use. Robust does not need much, maybe 2gb of memory if all runs well, check the cpu time that tells you if it needs splitting
2018-07-16 13:42 <Velus> it would be arm 7 for splitting robust up
2018-07-16 13:54 <Tampa> I would not run a grid on arm, but I guess
2018-07-16 14:09 <Velus> not even if it is split robust, and then have regions on servers?
2018-07-16 14:09 <H-H-H> hey velus how ya doing ?
2018-07-16 14:10 <Velus> not to bad you?
2018-07-16 14:11 <H-H-H> im good thanks )
2018-07-16 14:16 <Velus> good what you up to these days
2018-07-16 14:37 <Velus> H-H-H, 
2018-07-16 14:44 <H-H-H> sorry dude lol
2018-07-16 14:44 <H-H-H> i just got back into opensim and viewers etc etc lol you know me lol
2018-07-16 15:03 <Velus> cool cool
2018-07-16 15:14 <Velus> H-H-H, can i im you a sec please
2018-07-16 15:14 <Velus> ?
2018-07-16 15:14 <H-H-H> yeah pls
2018-07-16 15:52 <BillBlight> oh he's gone ... Looks like by this "access permissions has been attempted [::1]:3306" that it is trying to connect over IPV6 ... Bad idea in the opensim world ..
2018-07-16 15:52 <BillBlight> that was to Naiyro's problem btw
2018-07-16 16:14 <Velus> is opensim not ipv6 enabled yet? if not will it be?
2018-07-16 16:17 <BillBlight> NO it is NOT ipv6 enabled ...
2018-07-16 18:45 <Tampa> ipv6 is such a pain, not only because its hard to remember, but its not wide spread enough to make sense using it still, so damn annoying cause it has good things about it too
2018-07-16 18:51 <H-H-H> yay got my xlstreet clone working again with current head lol
2018-07-16 18:56 <BillBlight> woot
2018-07-17 08:14 <Murf> hi, what does "snail Dev" mean lol
2018-07-17 09:44 <Naiyro> Hello, I have an error when I want to start up setup.exe with this tutorial : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Configuration. And I don't know haw to correct it
2018-07-17 09:44 <Naiyro> The error is : Error loading plugin OpenSim.Services.Interfaces.IAssetService from OpenSim.Services.AssetService.dll. exception: Unable to connect to any of the specified MySQL hosts.System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: An exception was thrown by the target of a call. MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlException: Unable to connect to any of the specified MySQL hosts. System.Net.Sockets.SocketException: An attempt to access a socket in a manner 
2018-07-17 09:44 <Naiyro> prohibited by its access permissions has been attempted [::1]:3306
2018-07-17 09:46 <BillBlight> that appears to be a IPV6 address, opensimulator does not support ipv6
2018-07-17 09:47 <Naiyro> How can I correct that ? 
2018-07-17 09:48 <BillBlight> well there are numerous ways, best is to disable ipv6 on the box you are running on, or use the IP for the connection, instead of localhost or a domain name
2018-07-17 09:48 <BillBlight> for a local host connection it would be 127.0.0.1
2018-07-17 09:50 <Naiyro> I will try. Thank you
2018-07-17 10:02 <Naiyro> It works ! Thank you !
2018-07-17 10:02 <djphil> Félicitation! :)
2018-07-17 10:04 <BillBlight> Awesome Naiyro .. Glad you got it sorted ..
2018-07-17 10:48 <Velusuni> BillBlight, will it become ipv6 usable at sompoint?
2018-07-17 11:03 <BillBlight> I don't see that happening very soon or easily Velusuni
2018-07-17 11:26 <Velusuni> ok
2018-07-17 11:26 <Velusuni> thought so tbh
2018-07-17 12:15 -!- slk(~oyk@devnull.drwxr-xr-x.eu) has left #opensim-dev
2018-07-17 12:38 <osmantis> Bug #8270:04 Add osSetParcelDetails to sell a parcel and enable the search 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8270 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-17 12:44 <osmantis> Bug #8279:04 OpenSim Stats SimExtraStatsCollector.cs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8279 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-17 12:49 <osmantis> Bug #7669:04 llGodLikeRezObject not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7669 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-17 14:02 <osmantis> Bug #8340:04 [PATCH] Update LSLConstants with latest constants 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8340 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-07-17 14:03 <osmantis> Bug #8340:04 [PATCH] Update LSLConstants with latest constants 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8340 ): has a PATCH ready to apply to trunk
2018-07-17 14:07 <osmantis> Bug #8270:04 Add osSetParcelDetails to sell a parcel and enable the search 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8270 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-17 14:52 <Velus> what is a standard region size
2018-07-17 14:55 <Velus> and what is the rough ram for 1 region (i will be getting a server and spliting the server into many regions and want to know the amount of regions per server)
2018-07-17 14:55 <Velus> ram wise
2018-07-17 15:00 <Tampa> A normal region is 256 by 256
2018-07-17 15:00 <Tampa> Larger regions don't add much more ram usage, the prims, scripts and textures are the big consumers
2018-07-17 15:01 <Velus> so would 1gb per region be enough + ram for the os and stuff
2018-07-17 15:01 <Velus> robust will be on another server
2018-07-17 17:38 <osmantis> Bug #8340:04 [PATCH] Update LSLConstants with latest constants 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8340 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-17 17:59 <BillBlight> Meeting time
2018-07-17 17:59 <Ubit> again ??
2018-07-17 17:59 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-07-17 18:01 <Tampa> Get the feeling there is more progress being made here and on the mantis than the meetings ever did, reading the logs that is...
2018-07-17 18:01 <Tampa> might just be me though
2018-07-17 18:02 <BillBlight> not just you ... but it depends on who shows up , it goes from ok to a circle jerk fast ..
2018-07-17 18:06 <Velusuni> when is the meeting and where
2018-07-17 18:07 <BillBlight> Now, every tuesday, hg.osgrid.org:80:Hurliman Plaza
2018-07-17 18:17 <osmantis> Bug #8340:04 [PATCH] Update LSLConstants with latest constants 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8340 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-07-17 18:18 <djphil> :p
2018-07-17 18:19 <BillBlight> djphil, ubit is gonna smack you for that one ... LOL
2018-07-17 18:19 <Ubit> 
ACTION smacks djphil 

2018-07-17 18:19 <djphil> Is just a experie,ce :)
2018-07-17 18:19 <djphil> experience*
2018-07-17 18:20 <Ubit> you still don't have enought experience.. work harder
2018-07-17 18:20 <Ubit> :p
2018-07-17 18:20 <djphil> Pathfinding would really be a nice improvement
2018-07-17 18:20 <Ubit> get compass and a map
2018-07-17 18:21 <Ubit> :)
2018-07-17 18:28 <Plugh> :)
2018-07-17 18:31 <BillBlight> don't forget the flashlight, we would not want you getting lost djphil
2018-07-17 18:32 <Velusuni> he needs a flash light he is scared of the dark lol
2018-07-17 18:32 <Ubit> :)
2018-07-17 18:53 <djphil> Not even afraid:p
2018-07-17 19:01 <Velus> dam my network is so crap atm where can i find notes?#
2018-07-17 19:05 <Tampa> Hm... should not be too hard to make an npc not be retardedly walking into walls, sensors, movement detection, basic arithmetic direction finding, kinda stupid stuff really. Wonder if raycast could be of use for something like that, lazers yay
2018-07-17 19:05 <BillBlight> yes it can, and sensors too
2018-07-17 19:05 <BillBlight> and well, just good mapping
2018-07-17 19:06 <Tampa> npcs still creeping me out though
2018-07-17 19:06 <Tampa> can you imagine clones of me... shudder
2018-07-17 19:08 <BillBlight> It is hard enough to imagine one of you
2018-07-17 19:08 <BillBlight> and painful
2018-07-17 19:09 <Tampa> Imagine how I feel, or rather don't xD
2018-07-17 19:32 <Velus> rather not imagine 2 of you one is bad nough
2018-07-17 19:50 <Plugh> The groups change should be made to the xmlrpc based groups but it would require changes on the PHP side of things and that's not really going to happen.
2018-07-18 08:59 <osmantis> Bug #8333:04 [Patch] Allow OpenSimConsoleHistory to have Date/time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8333 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-07-18 16:05 <Veus_uni> hey is there a way on linux to start a server up in ssh and start a region without screen and be able to log out of the server?
2018-07-18 16:09 <Veus_uni> i may be able to get screen run under normal user
2018-07-18 16:10 <Plugh> may or may not?
2018-07-18 16:10 <Plugh> I run screen under a normal user all the time.
2018-07-18 16:10 <Veus_uni> may, i had issues last time but im going to see if i am able to now
2018-07-18 16:12 <Veus_uni> ok i can yay the problem i had last time (which i never new till now) when you su user and then screen you cant lol 
2018-07-18 16:12 <Plugh> A process would stick around when the controlling shell goes away if you ran it as a daemon.
2018-07-18 16:12 <Veus_uni> yeah i know but i need it to be different than a demon, i am working on something and best to not have it as a demon lol 
2018-07-18 16:13 <Plugh> Reconnecting to an existing process will be a problem if you "su user" first.
2018-07-18 16:13 <Plugh> Unless the screen process was created that way in the first place.
2018-07-18 16:14 <Veus_uni> when ever i have su user then creat a screen i had problems getting it to work it was always saying permission errors
2018-07-18 16:14 <Veus_uni> but now i found out it was cos of the su, so now, i know i would need to log in as the user first to do it
2018-07-18 16:14 <BillBlight> instead of su user ... just type login and login as that user to start your screen  that should solve some issues ..
2018-07-18 16:15 <Veus_uni> yes i know now.
2018-07-18 16:17 <BillBlight> or you can always make a shell script and use runuser -l  userNameHere -c 'command'
2018-07-18 16:17 <Veus_uni> yh
2018-07-18 16:18 <Veus_uni> the problem with a demon is if you have say 3 regions you would need 3 demons for the regions, so you would need to have them named different? yes
2018-07-18 16:18 <BillBlight> 3 different screens yes
2018-07-18 16:19 <BillBlight> I runall all my regions and robust in screens
2018-07-18 16:19 <BillBlight> incoming spam 
2018-07-18 16:19 <BillBlight> 408.Bunkerb     (07/16/2018 10:51:41 PM)        (Attached)
2018-07-18 16:19 <BillBlight>         18257.Bunker    (07/15/2018 02:59:58 AM)        (Detached)
2018-07-18 16:19 <BillBlight>         18137.JetSki    (07/15/2018 02:59:47 AM)        (Detached)
2018-07-18 16:19 <BillBlight>         18013.Stadium   (07/15/2018 02:59:36 AM)        (Detached)
2018-07-18 16:19 <BillBlight>         17900.Tropicall (07/15/2018 02:59:26 AM)        (Detached)
2018-07-18 16:19 <BillBlight>         17784.OSLA      (07/15/2018 02:59:16 AM)        (Detached)
2018-07-18 16:19 <BillBlight>         17672.Lunaemp   (07/15/2018 02:59:06 AM)        (Detached)
2018-07-18 16:19 <BillBlight>         17557.Lunaria   (07/15/2018 02:58:56 AM)        (Detached)
2018-07-18 16:19 <BillBlight>         17447.Oasis     (07/15/2018 02:58:46 AM)        (Detached)
2018-07-18 16:19 <BillBlight> as example
2018-07-18 16:21 <Plugh> I have a grid where I su user to access the screen processes and I have another machine where it doesn't work.
2018-07-18 16:21 <Veus_uni> no i ment say i was to make the opensim and robust a demon, i would need to have say robustd as demon and opensimd opensimd2 opensimd3 as demons for 3 regions? so then im guessing that this would b hard to do or can you have openssimd (a demon) running 3 times?
2018-07-18 16:22 <BillBlight> running as a daemon you may not be able to get to the console easliy, at least it does not always work for me
2018-07-18 16:22 <BillBlight> I just use a shell script to start them in a screen session in the background
2018-07-18 16:23 <Veus_uni> dont they write to opensim.txt and robust.txt as is is running? or does it just dump it when it shuts down?
2018-07-18 16:24 <BillBlight> they do write, but what if you need to interact with the console ?
2018-07-18 16:24 <BillBlight> more incoming spam
2018-07-18 16:24 <BillBlight> #!/bin/sh
2018-07-18 16:24 <BillBlight> #
2018-07-18 16:24 <BillBlight> ulimit -s 1048576
2018-07-18 16:24 <BillBlight> export MONO_GC_PARAMS="nursery-size=32m,promotion-age=14,minor=split,major=marksweep,no-lazy-sweep,alloc-ratio=50"
2018-07-18 16:24 <BillBlight> export MONO_GC_DEBUG=""
2018-07-18 16:24 <BillBlight> export MONO_ENV_OPTIONS="--desktop"
2018-07-18 16:24 <BillBlight> export MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU=200
2018-07-18 16:24 <BillBlight> #adjust the above as appropriate to your server
2018-07-18 16:24 <BillBlight> cd /home/sims/o1
2018-07-18 16:24 <BillBlight> echo "Region O1 Starting..."
2018-07-18 16:24 <BillBlight> screen -c /home/opensim/screenc/screenrc1 -S O1 -h 9000 -dm env LANG=C nice -n -11 mono OpenSim.exe
2018-07-18 16:24 <BillBlight> echo "Region O1 Loaded - objects rezzing and scripts starting . . . . "
2018-07-18 16:24 <BillBlight> echo " "
2018-07-18 16:24 <BillBlight> #END
2018-07-18 16:31 <BillBlight> the -c /home/opensim/screenc/screenrc1 is a screenrc file, that configures the screen BTW, if you were not sure
2018-07-18 17:40 <Velus> ok cool and thanks bill sorry bad net here
2018-07-18 20:10 <cuga_rajal> Hi OS dev land
2018-07-18 20:10 <cuga_rajal> I'm getting a nasty console error when I use llAttachToAvatarTemp(6)
2018-07-18 20:11 <cuga_rajal> and script breaks
2018-07-18 20:12 <cuga_rajal> Was working fine a few weeks ago, just updated to trunk
2018-07-18 20:40 <cuga_rajal> Anyone else having trouble with llAttachToAvatarTemp(() in trunk?
2018-07-18 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #8341:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp(n) not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8341 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2018-07-18 20:55 <Ubit> why attachs where made to need MOD is still a .. well whatever
2018-07-18 20:56 <Ubit> i do need delete that module one day
2018-07-18 20:59 <Ubit> cuja
2018-07-18 21:00 <Ubit> are you using master ini files?
2018-07-18 21:00 <Ubit> oops no here
2018-07-18 21:13 <Tampa> Just reply to the mantis
2018-07-18 21:15 <Ubit> will as soon i do fix the real bug :)
2018-07-18 21:16 <Tampa> The real bug here is running away after asking a question lol
2018-07-18 21:16 <Tampa> People have no patience
2018-07-18 21:22 <osmantis> Bug #8341:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp(n) not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8341 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-18 21:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #5891 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-07-18 21:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5891: SUCCESS in 8 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5891/
2018-07-18 21:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis8341: fix MOD and LS apis configuration read from ossl file
2018-07-18 21:31 <Ubit> i should had taken those out of the ossl file
2018-07-18 21:32 <Ubit> but then more reports from ppl not updating the ini files
2018-07-18 21:33 <Ubit> lets see  i don't forget that on next more relevant changes on ini files
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2018-07-18 23:06 <osmantis> Bug #8341:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp(n) not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8341 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-18 23:08 <osmantis> Bug #8341:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp(n) not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8341 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-18 23:08 <osmantis> Bug #8341:04 llAttachToAvatarTemp(n) not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8341 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-07-18 23:08 <Ubit> oops
2018-07-19 01:13 <osmantis> Bug #8342:04 Update float BAN_LINE_SAFETY_HEIGHT to new value 5000 due to SL. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8342 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-07-19 01:14 <osmantis> Bug #8342:04 Update float BAN_LINE_SAFETY_HEIGHT to new value 5000 due to SL. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8342 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2018-07-19 04:15 <Tampa> So all the example terrain heightmaps on the wiki are either broken or no longer exist
2018-07-19 14:33 <Tampa> djphil, the wiki page with example terrain heightmaps is completely broken, the links either don't work or link to broken files
2018-07-19 14:40 <osmantis> Bug #8343:04 0.9.x has severe (uncontrollable?) HTTP throttling compared to 0.8.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8343 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-07-19 15:15 <Plugh> Tampa: Which wiki page?
2018-07-19 15:17 <Tampa> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Free_Terrains
2018-07-19 15:27 <Plugh> yea, a lot of bad links. The forge site doesn't exist. The raw files access via the web archive may or may not appear due to problems with the archive site.
2018-07-19 15:27 <Plugh> That doesn't leave many files as accessible.
2018-07-19 16:09 <djphil> Hmmm i don't have any bakup of theses files :s
2018-07-19 17:05 <djphil_> Someone know where are stored in db these internal Region Flags ? https://github.com/opensim/opensim/blob/master/OpenSim/Framework/RegionFlags.cs ?
2018-07-19 17:09 <BillBlight>  Don't think they are , I think they are transient
2018-07-19 17:10 <djphil_> They must be memorized somewhere, right? ...
2018-07-19 17:11 <djphil_> i see grid service can access to it http://opensimulator.org/wiki/GridService
2018-07-19 17:12 <djphil_> If we can access it then they are somewhere :)
2018-07-19 21:17 <BillBlight> well djphil there is a flags collumn in the regions table
2018-07-19 21:18 <Tampa> djphil, you could link the zadaroo page on that free terrain thing, maybe include a guide on what to look for when searching for heightmaps on the web.
2018-07-19 21:18 <Tampa> I also remember there used to be a collection of images someone made, but I cannot find the page anymore :/
2018-07-20 01:34 <Aramis^> List of bad terrain links from http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Free_Terrains  (12 bad, 10 good):  https://pastebin.com/wMVFDA2V  I'm pretty sure I had these somewhere, might be on dead HD though. If I find them, I'll have someone upload them here
2018-07-20 01:36 <Tampa> None of the ones work for me, all show either wayback broken files or server not found
2018-07-20 02:08 <Aramis^> I got all the .raw files and a few others
2018-07-20 02:08 <Aramis^> want me to dropbox 'em?
2018-07-20 02:12 <Aramis^> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/80y0icnt9n5vehq/AAA5pnrwSQSK93ndWO8Og0MTa?dl=0  have to click each then dl
2018-07-20 02:13 <Aramis^> all .raw except bayisland and 2nd 4x4-island
2018-07-20 02:14 <Tampa> I wonder if djphil_ can upload them directly to the wiki
2018-07-20 02:14 <Aramis^> could be, missed that he had them
2018-07-20 02:15 <Tampa> Not sure where to upload them where they won't disappear in the future other than the wiki itself
2018-07-20 02:15 <Aramis^> right
2018-07-20 02:16 <Aramis^> anyway my pastebin will help whoever has to change the links
2018-07-20 04:33 <osmantis> Bug #8344:04 Possibility to complete disabling parcel bans - free proposition. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8344 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-07-20 04:34 <osmantis> Bug #8344:04 Possibility to complete disabling parcel bans - free proposition. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8344 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2018-07-20 04:36 <Tampa> Not sure I follow what purpose this would have, but okay, suppose good that it's being documented at least
2018-07-20 05:27 <Aramis^> I didn't know anyone had them all, easier to copy/paste filenames anyway
2018-07-20 05:47 <djphil_> @ Tampa;  @ Aramis^ @ danbanner : I have recovered several raw files but now we need a place to host them. I do not think that the wiki allows the upload of files in raw format. He probably accepts the png but not the raw ones
2018-07-20 05:47 <djphil_> We could ask Dan to upload them via FTP, then we could edit the dead links.
2018-07-20 05:47 <djphil_> Here is a temporary url where I placed some raw and png
2018-07-20 05:47 <djphil_> http://digigrids.no-ip.org/osterrain/
2018-07-20 05:47 <djphil_> @ BillBlight : The Flags of the region table is not the same Bill
2018-07-20 05:47 <djphil_> Eg: REGION FLAGS (regions -> flags)
2018-07-20 05:47 <djphil_> 0 = None (0): No flags set
2018-07-20 05:47 <djphil_> Bit 0: 1 = AllowDamage (1 << 0): Agents can take damage and be killed
2018-07-20 05:47 <djphil_> Bit 1: 2 = AllowLandmark (1 << 1): Landmarks can be created here
2018-07-20 05:47 <djphil_> Bit 2: 4 = AllowSetHome (1 << 2): Home position can be set in this sim
2018-07-20 05:47 <djphil_> Bit 3: 8 = ResetHomeOnTeleport (1 << 3): Home position is reset when agent teleports away
2018-07-20 05:47 <djphil_> etc ...
2018-07-20 05:47 <djphil_> As you can see they are not the same
2018-07-20 05:49 <BillBlight> Yeah I didn't look that close .. had my head buried in that web store that was working on with H-H-H
2018-07-20 05:51 <djphil_> The Opensiçm Wiki Region database is obsolet
2018-07-20 05:51 <djphil_> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Regions_(database_table)
2018-07-20 05:51 <Tampa> Upload them onto github or something like that as simple repo or maybe try uploading to the wiki as zip
2018-07-20 05:51 <djphil_> i don't see "flags" row ^^
2018-07-20 05:51 <djphil_> Hehe github isn't a file hosting lol
2018-07-20 05:52 <djphil_> raw file != code file :p
2018-07-20 05:52 <BillBlight> yeah that must be out of date
2018-07-20 05:52 <djphil_> yeah outdated :s
2018-07-20 05:52 <Tampa> yeah, but github still has decade old repos so...
2018-07-20 05:52 <djphil_> Tampa, maybee Dan or Neb can host some files for opênsim
2018-07-20 05:53 <djphil_> Like this (Neb OAR collection) http://nebadon2025.com/oars/?dir=
2018-07-20 05:53 <Tampa> It would probably make sense to upload them as png to the wiki anyways for purposes of preview
2018-07-20 05:54 <Tampa> Plus they dont have to be raw format to work in opensim anymore
2018-07-20 05:54 <djphil_> Yeah ... maybee
2018-07-20 05:54 <BillBlight> raw still stores the parcel info though, where the other types don't
2018-07-20 05:54 <djphil_> but png less layers than raw or r32
2018-07-20 05:54 <BillBlight> but yeah for imports
2018-07-20 05:55 <djphil_> True Bill
2018-07-20 05:55 <Tampa> For export yeah, those are example terrains, they dont need parcels
2018-07-20 05:55 <djphil_> maybee Wiki allow upload as zip file ...
2018-07-20 05:55 <Tampa> That could work too
2018-07-20 05:55 <djphil_> never tested wiki upload's
2018-07-20 05:56 <djphil_> I think the best would be to upload them somewhere at opensim and then we could fix the links. You do not think ?
2018-07-20 05:57 <djphil_> Certainly Dan has FTP access there :)
2018-07-20 06:54 <Aramis^> thanks djphil_
2018-07-20 06:58 <djphil_> Well, do not rejoice too fast ... I am currently testing the files but many are corrupt. They do not load correctly in opensim :(
2018-07-20 06:58 <djphil_> Error https://pastebin.com/C4XD1Vg4
2018-07-20 06:59 <djphil_> That for all files in folder #3
2018-07-20 06:59 <djphil_> #3 = All from Opensim Wiki :(
2018-07-20 07:20 <Tampa> I told you the raw files that it links to to the wayback machine are not the files, they are the wayback machine overlay and the "file not found" error page underneath. Convert them to png, they are not grayscale images, its just messy data
2018-07-20 07:21 <Tampa> All the terrain files listed on the wiki are either broken or missing, probably easier to just link to the zadaroo page for now, those still work
2018-07-20 07:21 <Aramis^> yeah I just tried viewing in ACDSee which had an icon for .raw, it's not showing. I don't have my Canon software installed, I believe that could view .raw files
2018-07-20 07:22 <Tampa> ufraw for gimp cannot open them so neither will opensim
2018-07-20 07:23 <Tampa> It's also just easier to use png to upload via the console, raw only makes sense when you run terrain save
2018-07-20 07:23 <djphil_> Photoshop can display raw
2018-07-20 07:23 <Tampa> Yes, but I aint payin Adobe for it
2018-07-20 07:24 <Aramis^> pay for software?  :)
2018-07-20 07:24 <Aramis^> 
ACTION ducks

2018-07-20 07:27 <Tampa> For the one time I'd use it...
2018-07-20 07:28 <Tampa> Rather donate to gimp and help get a feature in honestly, seems a better impact to whatever Adobe is doing anyhow
2018-07-20 07:28 <Tampa> Anyways, yeah either retire the page or try and link to some other sources of heightmaps, maybe terrain.party could work, haven't tried that yet
2018-07-20 07:29 <Tampa> I remember there was a large collection of heightmaps somewhere of all sorts of places, but my google-fu is not working for that one, maybe its gone now too
2018-07-20 07:30 <Aramis^> yep even older archive of that site, the sizes don't match up. look in folder #3, all sizes are multiples of 256k
2018-07-20 07:30 <Aramis^> http://web.archive.org/web/20071221181723/http://www.lotusbell.com:80/opensim/terrain/
2018-07-20 07:30 <Aramis^> dl came out same size (wrong) as the other dl's
2018-07-20 07:30 <Aramis^> for the one I tested
2018-07-20 07:32 <Aramis^> shit, I know I had 'em, just pretty sure the hd they are on fell 4 feet, damn cats
2018-07-20 07:32 <Aramis^> it likes to click now
2018-07-20 07:32 <Aramis^> cats are saving what change they see on the ground for file recovery for me, but they have no pockets...
2018-07-20 07:33 <Tampa> So long as they don't eat it
2018-07-20 07:36 <djphil_> I also note that some lands have been obviously saved with a different water level ... Result, the land is under water and we do not see it :p
2018-07-20 07:36 <djphil_> I'm fixing some right now
2018-07-20 07:38 <Aramis^> folders #1 and #5 are all the same size
2018-07-20 07:39 <Tampa> Could always bundle the terrains into the code itself for people to select as defaults
2018-07-20 07:39 <Tampa> That way they most certainly don't get lost
2018-07-20 07:43 <djphil_> #1 is terrain made by me
2018-07-20 07:44 <Aramis^> I've got more but don't want to contribute until I can check attribution on them, some nice mountain ranges I ran across and the original island that Openlife used, I know they are gone but want to properly credit the rest
2018-07-20 07:45 <Aramis^> hm weird they are all the same size
2018-07-20 07:45 <Aramis^> I know darker .jpgs are larger than lighter colored .jpgs, or is it vice versa?
2018-07-20 07:46 <BillBlight> Why not just make a new set .. could have made a new set in the time trying to reconver these
2018-07-20 07:47 <Tampa> I was about to say
2018-07-20 07:47 <Aramis^> but not familiar with .raw format.  Cause we're all geeks, what fun is that? lol
2018-07-20 07:48 <Tampa> You don't need raw format for them, png will do
2018-07-20 07:48 <Aramis^> I just repaired a bad kernel update last nite and fixed a broken SATA hd just for fun lol
2018-07-20 07:48 <Aramis^> yes prefer png like Bill? said, at least you can see/preview it
2018-07-20 07:49 <Aramis^> now to unfuck mariaDB tomorrow... then I can haz regions again
2018-07-20 07:50 <Aramis^> I noted Ubit's advice the other day  <Ubit> and make sure mariadb charset is utf8 with 3 bytes, not 4
2018-07-20 07:50 <Aramis^> will have to check that
2018-07-20 07:51 <Tampa> how...
2018-07-20 07:51 <Tampa> just...
2018-07-20 07:51 <Tampa> cannot compute
2018-07-20 07:52 <BillBlight> .raw is not needed for import unless you are restoring a backup and need the parcel info
2018-07-20 07:55 <Tampa> r32 or something, at least in the oars iirc
2018-07-20 07:55 <Aramis^> yeah I have some .r32 here  ftp://73.125.138.4/pub/opensim/
2018-07-20 07:56 <Aramis^> the sept 10 ones are nice mountainous regions, what I did was flip the ones that came down to the waters edge, so it's mirrored on both sides of the hills
2018-07-20 07:56 <BillBlight> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rnqw9s2t2umow7m/AADGlExYA-jsSCRwWZ27ov9pa?dl=0
2018-07-20 07:56 <BillBlight> made a couple new ones just now, and there are some other ones in there I made
2018-07-20 07:57 <Aramis^> Maze.png is a nice cornfield maze type region
2018-07-20 08:01 <Aramis^> nice bill, can you do anything with this? caught it on twitter earlier, https://www.dropbox.com/s/q48yaaqxq72kyds/DgFkYzpW0AAUQ98.jpg?dl=0
2018-07-20 08:03 <BillBlight> just made this one for giggles https://www.dropbox.com/s/iz9wqb1iuwjkd34/2x2_OpenSimulator.png?dl=0
2018-07-20 08:06 <BillBlight> Aramis, if it did not have the lat long lines , that is gonna be a tough one to clean up
2018-07-20 08:09 <BillBlight> Aramis , a quick and dirty might needs ome elevate or lower from the console .. https://www.dropbox.com/s/o8wwzuyjk5en06w/world_8x8.png?dl=0
2018-07-20 08:11 <BillBlight> added those and a few more to the folder, feel free to use them ... https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rnqw9s2t2umow7m/AADGlExYA-jsSCRwWZ27ov9pa?dl=0
2018-07-20 08:12 <Aramis^> back
2018-07-20 08:12 <BillBlight> some of the ones in that folder have not been in world yet so they will need elevation tweaking
2018-07-20 08:13 <Aramis^> yeah see now we need gis info... it never ends lol
2018-07-20 08:14 <BillBlight> I do a lot of custom terrains for people, like one of my residents I turned her logo into her terrain
2018-07-20 08:14 <BillBlight> https://opensim.life/grid-map/gridmap
2018-07-20 08:15 <Tampa> Whenever I open my mouth in here I seem to immediately tread loose an avalanche of activity... not sure whether that's good or bad, but you all seem to be quite happy xD
2018-07-20 08:20 <Aramis^> cool thanks soon as the server's back up.  I inverted jagged-hills256.tif to jagged-hills256inv.tif, now they fit side by side with same slope left and right
2018-07-20 08:21 <Aramis^> lol Tampa I'm just glad someone else is awake  are you in Tampa or just nickname?
2018-07-20 08:22 <Aramis^> Bill is the curly one the logo, upper right?
2018-07-20 08:22 <BillBlight> yes
2018-07-20 08:22 <Aramis^> I like the opensim one too
2018-07-20 08:22 <Aramis^> sweet
2018-07-20 08:22 <Tampa> I just don't sleep lol
2018-07-20 08:23 <BillBlight> the ballroom is two people dancing, the fae sim is a fairy on the moon ... just fun stuff
2018-07-20 08:23 <Aramis^> very nice, that's what people want, personalization
2018-07-20 08:24 <BillBlight> this is her logo https://opensim.life/images/2018/06/25/lunarialogo.png
2018-07-20 08:24 <BillBlight> we did do a cutout on one side so she could drive a boat around ... LOL
2018-07-20 08:26 <Aramis^> ok I totally missed the fairy and ballroom, had to go back and resize the map that's cool
2018-07-20 08:28 <Tampa> So I found this: http://world-engine.org/ which appears to be some form of generator for random terrains that also outputs heightmaps, though not grayscale, but likely a quick monochrome filter can solve that part
2018-07-20 08:29 <Tampa> Available under MIT license which I assume all it's output would be as well
2018-07-20 08:29 <BillBlight> http://www.mindwerks.net/projects/worldsynth/
2018-07-20 08:30 <BillBlight> that looks like it does proper heightmaps
2018-07-20 08:32 <BillBlight> ok all have fun time to attempt sleep ..
2018-07-20 08:33 <Tampa> Uh this says it merged into another project but has no link to that D:
2018-07-20 08:33 <BillBlight> I just posted a link to it
2018-07-20 08:33 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-07-20 08:34 <BillBlight> worldsynth
2018-07-20 08:34 <Aramis^> yeah terragen https://planetside.co.uk/  and L3DT are fun  http://www.bundysoft.com/L3DT/  just not enough hours in the day
2018-07-20 08:34 <Tampa> read on the github
2018-07-20 08:35 <BillBlight> lands was that first thing you posted
2018-07-20 08:35 <BillBlight> world-engine is lands
2018-07-20 08:35 <BillBlight> :P
2018-07-20 08:36 <djphil_> Another Terrain ressources https://forum.metrogrid.de/discussion/2962/many-free-raw-terrains
2018-07-20 08:36 <Tampa> Should be enough stuff to rebuild that wiki page and give plenty of options I guess
2018-07-20 08:37 <BillBlight> Don't make it too easy on them
2018-07-20 08:37 <BillBlight> end up with more peopel that have no clue .. We already have enough of those ... LOL
2018-07-20 08:37 <BillBlight> yes I know I said I was going to sleep, I'm failing
2018-07-20 08:38 <Aramis^> lol
2018-07-20 08:40 <Aramis^> so much for my clean desktop, links all over the place now hehe
2018-07-20 08:40 <BillBlight> gonna go on a mini rant, we already have too many people that have no clue and clog up the tubes with BS due to things like Outworldz installer/grid, and other "tools to make it easy", that people who have no clue what it actually takes to run a "grid" are runnning grids .... </rant>
2018-07-20 08:41 <Aramis^> missing start tag  :P
2018-07-20 08:41 <BillBlight> yeah I know ..  LOL
2018-07-20 08:41 <BillBlight> :P
2018-07-20 08:42 <BillBlight> but in reality I started that rant years ago, should not have included the closing tag, I'm sure I'm not done ... LOL
2018-07-20 08:43 <BillBlight> holy crap just looked at the clock almost 5am I really need to go to sleep , have a good night all
2018-07-20 08:43 <Aramis^> but I would point out, most people don't want to run "grids", they just want to hang on the beach. Was it Philip Rosedale that said "who knew, everyone wanted a beachfront home with a tiki bar and waves?
2018-07-20 08:43 <Aramis^> nite
2018-07-20 08:44 <Aramis^> fortunately, not quite "everyone"
2018-07-20 08:44 <BillBlight> ok I gotta answer that one, I agree, and running attached regions or standalones, I have no issue with anybody doing that, but there are "grids" out there, that the person running does not even know how to log into their mysql server ..
2018-07-20 08:44 <Aramis^> true
2018-07-20 08:45 <Aramis^> and some people don't even know when to go to bed  :)
2018-07-20 08:45 <BillBlight> we have seen an increase of, "OMG THE GRID CRASHED, so let's just gome back with a new name and pretend nothing happend"
2018-07-20 08:46 <BillBlight> guilty as charged, I'll sleep when I'm dead
2018-07-20 08:46 <Aramis^> yeah I noticed that, not that I follow the gossip too much
2018-07-20 08:46 <Aramis^> but I catch wind of the fighting here, there
2018-07-20 08:46 <Aramis^> double crosses and backstabbing
2018-07-20 08:46 <Aramis^> no way to run a grid
2018-07-20 08:47 <Aramis^> I think it's a product of the low price due to increased server power, $5 a region? really?
2018-07-20 08:52 <BillBlight> well, there is a reason that "Opensimulator has poor performance"  , has much less to do with the software and more to do with overloaded servers, cheap servers, and admins who are more concerned with profit than with performance
2018-07-20 08:59 <Tampa> 1$ a region and 3$ in loading oars and iars... hate such hidden costs and holding data for ransom
2018-07-20 08:59 <Tampa> Everyone wanting to run their own grid and failing casting a bad light on those that actually have a clue of how things work
2018-07-20 08:59 <Tampa> Not that I claim to be the voice of wisdom, but I at least dont operate out of a garage
2018-07-20 09:01 <Tampa> Easy =/= proper in a sense, rather spend the time and effort understanding something than just dicking around with some easy installer, hence why I don't like docker and that "oh just use that docker thing" as an excuse for installing and using software properly
2018-07-20 09:01 <BillBlight> I HATE, let me say that again HATE any virtualization for opensimulator ...
2018-07-20 09:02 <Tampa> Makes sense in some ways, like robust maybe since its relatively small, but beyond that it really doesn't help in any way, just adds overhead and more points of failure
2018-07-20 09:02 <Aramis^> that's why I chose Slackware back in 98, I figured if I learn the "most Unix-like" version, the rest would be easy
2018-07-20 09:03 <Tampa> Ever since hyperica became an outworldz thing the list of grids it outputs is such a damn mess, tons of duplicates. The claim of over 1000 grids is BS when there are 300 duplicates, 200 home hosted grids that are not online and 100 old entries that are dead
2018-07-20 09:04 <Aramis^> haven't seen that
2018-07-20 09:04 <Tampa> Curating for the hypergrid wall using that is almost completely pointless now and since there is no api or simple text version of the list even generating something to make some basic ping and port tests before manually checking is also not a thing
2018-07-20 09:05 <Tampa> The sad thing is, there is a ton of usage on the zetaworlds copy of the wall alone, the ones copied to other grids are equally as active, I am recording over 200 uses a week now
2018-07-20 09:06 <BillBlight> I just built a web driven TP for my grid, I was thinking of making a HG version of it and opening it up so others could add to it and it will keep the teleproters updated ... and if they allow url's in, it can even force update and restart them
2018-07-20 09:07 <BillBlight> I love being able to click a button on my hud or on my web page and reset all the teleporters
2018-07-20 09:07 <Tampa> control freak lol
2018-07-20 09:08 <Tampa> Its just nice to see that the hypergrid is active even if that means dealing with grids going online and offline at will
2018-07-20 09:09 <BillBlight> well yeah I am a control freak, one of the reasons my grid runs good , I actually pay attention to it ... LOL
2018-07-20 09:09 <BillBlight> My personal opinion , any grid admin who is NOT a control freak , needs to find a new job ... LOL
2018-07-20 09:10 <Tampa> All within reason though
2018-07-20 09:11 <Tampa> Also no bandaids, fix root causes
2018-07-20 09:12 <BillBlight> well also within reason, if fixing the root cause of one problem will cause several others, bandaids work fine
2018-07-20 09:13 <Tampa> There is always a way to make things like each other properly even if that means building interfaces, that's the fun of open source
2018-07-20 09:13 <BillBlight> name of the game is, don't go looking for problems
2018-07-20 09:14 <Tampa> where is the fun in that, that's how bugs are found and changes made to master by Ubit lol
2018-07-20 09:15 <BillBlight> if it is a bug that only one in every 10000 people or Tampa will find, not worth the trouble .. LOL
2018-07-20 09:16 <Aramis^> lol
2018-07-20 09:17 <Tampa> bugfree is a pride thing, you'll get there one day
2018-07-20 09:17 <BillBlight> bug free makes me nervious
2018-07-20 09:18 <Tampa> depends on who claims it
2018-07-20 09:20 <BillBlight> well I'm talking to you, so , hence the nervous part ... HAHA
2018-07-20 09:21 <Tampa> If I claim something to be bugfree its either so simple it cant break or... well run I suppose
2018-07-20 09:25 <BillBlight> haha
2018-07-20 09:26 <BillBlight> OK I'm actually going now
2018-07-20 09:26 <BillBlight> later
2018-07-20 09:32 <Aramis^> nite
2018-07-20 09:35 <Aramis^> just found old linux iso in my ftp from 2008, I think it was Linux Bootable Toolkit, only 48mb must be rescue disc of some kind
2018-07-20 13:43 <Plugh> djphil_: That list isn't the same as what?
2018-07-20 13:45 <djphil_> what ?
2018-07-20 14:00 <djphil_> Opensim Terrains Collection available here: http://digigrids.free.fr/index.php?option=com_flexicontent&view=items&cid=572:opensim&id=739:opensim-terrains&Itemid=123
2018-07-20 14:00 <djphil_> Enjoy! :
2018-07-20 14:27 <Plugh> djphil: You pasted a bunch of REGION FLAGS and then said "As you can see they are not the same".
2018-07-20 14:31 <djphil> True Plugh, if you compare regions flags from here https://github.com/djphil/oshelpful/blob/master/HELPFUL.md
2018-07-20 14:31 <djphil> and from here https://github.com/opensim/opensim/blob/master/OpenSim/Framework/RegionFlags.cs
2018-07-20 14:31 <djphil> They are not the same ... that's why I said it's not possible that they are both stored in regions -> flags database
2018-07-20 14:33 <Plugh> That second link included a comment that says -> Don't confuse with OpenMetaverse.RegionFlags which are client facing flags (i.e. they go over the wire).
2018-07-20 14:33 <Plugh> That may account for the difference in the two tables.
2018-07-20 14:33 <djphil> true i have read
2018-07-20 14:34 <djphil> but it does not tell me where are these region flags stored
2018-07-20 15:43 <BillBlight> they are combined with the others in the regions table, I verified this by changed the flags from the robust console for DefaultRegion and DefaultHGRegion and the flags in the regions table changed
2018-07-20 15:51 <djphil> How is "combined" ?
2018-07-20 15:53 <BillBlight> it appears to be octal bits
2018-07-20 15:53 <BillBlight> so bit flags just like everyplace else in opensim ... LOL
2018-07-20 15:55 <BillBlight> I'd have to figure it out, but right now with all three defaults set and onine it is 1031  before I set the defaults from the console it was 4 .. I that is where they are getting set
2018-07-20 15:57 <djphil> if i want set a region with "Bit 10: 1024 = SkipAgentAction (1 << 10)" AND efaultHGRegion = 1024
2018-07-20 15:57 <djphil> In this case the total is 2048
2018-07-20 15:57 <BillBlight> that sounds right
2018-07-20 15:58 <djphil> yes but 2048 is too Bit 11: 2048 = SkipUpdateInterestList (1 << 11):
2018-07-20 15:58 <BillBlight> but you will always have to add bit 4
2018-07-20 15:58 <BillBlight> for online
2018-07-20 15:58 <BillBlight> so it would actually be 2052
2018-07-20 15:58 <Ubit> <djphil> In this case the total is 2048  what???
2018-07-20 15:59 <BillBlight> you lost me
2018-07-20 15:59 <BillBlight> online is 4
2018-07-20 15:59 <djphil> yes online is 4
2018-07-20 15:59 <Ubit> <djphil> if i want set a region with "Bit 10: 1024 = SkipAgentAction (1 << 10)" AND efaultHGRegion = 1024
2018-07-20 15:59 <djphil> and DefaultHGRegion = 1024
2018-07-20 15:59 <Ubit> what are you talking about ??
2018-07-20 15:59 <BillBlight> it is addition
2018-07-20 16:00 <djphil> but 4 is too Bit 2: 4 = AllowSetHome (1 << 2): Home position can be set in this sim
2018-07-20 16:00 <djphil> and 1024 is too Bit 10: 1024 = SkipAgentAction (1 << 10)
2018-07-20 16:00 <djphil> from here: https://github.com/djphil/oshelpful/blob/master/HELPFUL.md#region-flags-regions---flags
2018-07-20 16:00 <Ubit> then then belong to dif flags
2018-07-20 16:01 <djphil> how i can see that ?
2018-07-20 16:01 <BillBlight> they are additive
2018-07-20 16:01 <djphil> i don't know
2018-07-20 16:01 <djphil> but i need it to decode region flags proprely
2018-07-20 16:02 <BillBlight> bit 10 is 1024, bit 11 is 2048 and allow set home is 4 so you would end up with 3076
2018-07-20 16:02 <djphil> DefaultHGRegion is too 102 ...
2018-07-20 16:03 <djphil> 1024*
2018-07-20 16:03 <djphil> we have 2 results for 1024 value
2018-07-20 16:03 <Ubit> DefaultHGRegion is not on that page
2018-07-20 16:03 <djphil> Here is Ubit https://github.com/opensim/opensim/blob/master/OpenSim/Framework/RegionFlags.cs
2018-07-20 16:04 <Ubit> yeap diferent set of flags
2018-07-20 16:05 <djphil> Yes but how do I differentiate them in the database if some have the same value
2018-07-20 16:05 <Ubit> they are used on diferent contexts
2018-07-20 16:06 <djphil> yes but stored on the same place (regions -> flags)
2018-07-20 16:06 <Ubit> a mess ok, it is..
2018-07-20 16:06 <djphil> Then i don't know how to differenciate ....
2018-07-20 16:06 <Ubit> this last ones are services flags, about regions
2018-07-20 16:07 <Ubit> they came from robust  list of regions and roles
2018-07-20 16:07 <Ubit> actually read the comment there :
2018-07-20 16:07 <Ubit>     /// <summary>
2018-07-20 16:07 <Ubit>     /// Region flags used internally by OpenSimulator to store installation specific information about regions.
2018-07-20 16:07 <Ubit>     /// </summary>
2018-07-20 16:07 <Ubit>     /// <remarks>
2018-07-20 16:07 <Ubit>     /// Don't confuse with OpenMetaverse.RegionFlags which are client facing flags (i.e. they go over the wire).
2018-07-20 16:07 <Ubit>     /// Returned by IGridService.GetRegionFlags()
2018-07-20 16:07 <Ubit>     /// </remarks>
2018-07-20 16:08 <Ubit> of course, who made this code should had not fallen on this confusion..
2018-07-20 16:08 <djphil> Yes i have already read that
2018-07-20 16:09 <Ubit> so 1024 + 1024 != 2048 :p
2018-07-20 16:09 <Ubit> ( 1 potato + 1 banana != 2 apples
2018-07-20 16:09 <djphil> RegionOnline  is 4 and AllowSetHome is 4 too !!!
2018-07-20 16:09 <djphil> and 8 is ResetHomeOnTeleport
2018-07-20 16:10 <djphil> Grrrr !
2018-07-20 16:10 <djphil> how i can know 8 is 4 + 4 and not 8 only :p
2018-07-20 16:10 <Ubit> stop comparing potatos with bananas !
2018-07-20 16:11 <Ubit> the region flags viewers know are def on lib openmetaverse
2018-07-20 16:13 <Plugh> Aramis, Tampa, djphil: I have removed the one bad link to a terrain file from the wiki page and updated the links for the height maps that were previously coming from forge.os.org
2018-07-20 16:22 <djphil> Plugh : The first 11 .raw files do not work. The links point to the files but the files are corrupted.
2018-07-20 16:25 <djphil> all others seems to be ok
2018-07-20 16:44 <Ubit> mesh clothes are so odd
2018-07-20 16:44 <Ubit> we see them get rez with odd sizes and only ages later they get fixes
2018-07-20 16:44 <Ubit> fixed..
2018-07-20 16:45 <Ubit> that takes even longer than fetching
2018-07-20 16:46 <Ubit> odd
2018-07-20 16:49 <Ubit> same at sl
2018-07-20 16:49 <Ubit> just the sizes i see are not so odd
2018-07-20 16:49 <Ubit> yeack benot avas with holes on face :)
2018-07-20 16:50 <Ubit> why do viewers show this crap?
2018-07-20 16:50 <Ubit> a option i have ??
2018-07-20 16:55 <Ubit> 1.9fps at sl yeack
2018-07-20 16:57 <Ubit> even with meshes on cache
2018-07-20 16:58 <Ubit> they show up large out of place etc
2018-07-20 16:59 <BillBlight> Yeah always been like that, I always just assumed it was until the viewer caught up with the rigging
2018-07-20 17:00 <Ubit> possible but mks no sense
2018-07-20 17:00 <BillBlight> well if you take a piece of rigged mesh and just rez it on the ground it is usually huge or at a odd rotation
2018-07-20 17:00 <BillBlight> once you wear it and the rig kicks in it moves into position
2018-07-20 17:01 <Ubit> whele the ones at sl at least where almost in place and almost in size
2018-07-20 17:01 <Ubit> osg ones.. are all over a region sometimes :)
2018-07-20 17:01 <Ubit> Dan hands are particulary scary :)
2018-07-20 17:03 <Ubit> guess base prim size and attachment offsets are wrong
2018-07-20 17:29 <Ubit> 52017 tris on boots??
2018-07-20 17:29 <Ubit> yeackk
2018-07-20 17:29 <Ubit> 26000 on a shirt
2018-07-20 17:29 <Ubit> 30k on short pants
2018-07-20 17:31 <Ubit> ( yes i was editing a lady :p )
2018-07-20 20:50 <Aramis^> cool thanks Plugh
2018-07-20 20:51 <Aramis^> ... and he's gone lol
2018-07-21 01:41 -!- Aramis^(~someone@c-73-125-138-4.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has left #opensim-dev
2018-07-21 13:49 <osmantis> Bug #8343:04 0.9.x has severe (uncontrollable?) HTTP throttling compared to 0.8.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8343 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-21 16:02 <osmantis> Bug #8343:04 0.9.x has severe (uncontrollable?) HTTP throttling compared to 0.8.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8343 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-21 16:09 <osmantis> Bug #8342:04 Update float BAN_LINE_SAFETY_HEIGHT to new value 5000 due to SL. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8342 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-21 16:10 <osmantis> Bug #8343:04 0.9.x has severe (uncontrollable?) HTTP throttling compared to 0.8.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8343 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-21 16:11 <osmantis> Bug #8342:04 Update float BAN_LINE_SAFETY_HEIGHT to new value 5000 due to SL. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8342 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-21 16:13 <BillBlight> yeah 
2018-07-21 16:13 <BillBlight> those mantis ...  I think the height thing would be a cool region option
2018-07-21 16:14 <Velus> i agree with ubit on the last mantis
2018-07-21 16:14 <Velus> hey H-H-H 
2018-07-21 16:15 <BillBlight> yes I don't like the thought of ban lines making almost inpossible to fly around a "mainland" region
2018-07-21 16:20 <Velus> me either but a region option would be good, for private islands depends on how someone has built the world, i.e somone could build it with mainland and also private islands but with water regions around them
2018-07-21 16:37 <Velus> H-H-H, you about
2018-07-21 16:43 <BillBlight> Velus, H-H-H is having major ISP issues, so he has mainly been on his phones 4g connection .
2018-07-21 16:45 <H-H-H> im around velus
2018-07-21 17:27 <Velus> ok
2018-07-21 17:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #5892 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-07-21 17:34 <Velus> brb need to do spomethog
2018-07-21 17:40 <Ubit> jenkins im waiting..
2018-07-21 17:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5892: SUCCESS in 8 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5892/
2018-07-21 17:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis8342: make max ban height above ground configurable per regions instance with ini file option BanLineSafeHeight
2018-07-21 17:41 <osmantis> Bug #8342:04 Update float BAN_LINE_SAFETY_HEIGHT to new value 5000 due to SL. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8342 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-21 17:41 <Ubit> ok now waithing for typos and other issues reports :p
2018-07-21 17:44 <Ubit> waithing? ufff
2018-07-21 18:00 <H-H-H> Ubit i found one
2018-07-21 18:00 <Ubit> sure you did
2018-07-21 18:00 <H-H-H> <Ubit> waithing? ufff should be <Ubit> waiting ufff
2018-07-21 18:01 <Ubit> thats 2 actually
2018-07-21 18:01 <H-H-H> true lol i removed the ? lol
2018-07-21 18:01 <H-H-H> hope your doing ok though :)
2018-07-21 18:01 <Ubit> yeah ok thx
2018-07-21 18:02 <H-H-H> glad to hear it
2018-07-21 18:02 <Ubit> ohh you have text to speech to hear what i typed?
2018-07-21 18:02 <Ubit> hihihi
2018-07-21 18:03 <H-H-H> lol no but that would be cool in an irc chat app lol
2018-07-21 18:03 <H-H-H> aswell as speech to text
2018-07-21 18:48 <osmantis> Bug #8343:04 0.9.x has severe (uncontrollable?) HTTP throttling compared to 0.8.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8343 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-21 18:51 <osmantis> Bug #8343:04 0.9.x has severe (uncontrollable?) HTTP throttling compared to 0.8.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8343 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-21 18:52 <osmantis> Bug #8343:04 0.9.x has severe (uncontrollable?) HTTP throttling compared to 0.8.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8343 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-21 18:57 <osmantis> Bug #8343:04 0.9.x has severe (uncontrollable?) HTTP throttling compared to 0.8.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8343 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-21 19:05 <osmantis> Bug #8343:04 0.9.x has severe (uncontrollable?) HTTP throttling compared to 0.8.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8343 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-21 22:52 <osmantis> Bug #4375:04 [Megaregions] Region contiguity analysis is wrong when megaregions are enabled. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4375 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-07-22 04:27 <osmantis> Bug #8342:04 Update float BAN_LINE_SAFETY_HEIGHT to new value 5000 due to SL. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8342 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-22 04:37 <Tampa> Ubit, document changes to opensim.ini please :)
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2018-07-23 09:58 <osmantis> Bug #8342:04 Update float BAN_LINE_SAFETY_HEIGHT to new value 5000 due to SL. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8342 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-23 09:59 <osmantis> Bug #8342:04 Update float BAN_LINE_SAFETY_HEIGHT to new value 5000 due to SL. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8342 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-23 10:14 <Ubit> didn't i added it on defaults.ini ?
2018-07-23 10:22 <Tampa> You didn't, I was about to make a patch today, but my back hurts too much to concentrate
2018-07-23 10:23 <Ubit> i did
2018-07-23 10:23 <Ubit> just forgot to push :)
2018-07-23 10:24 <Tampa> yeah yeah xD
2018-07-23 10:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #5893 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-07-23 10:28 <Tampa> 1280 meters I think would be a reasonable height for this, allows for max view range of 1024 to be accounted, plus a bit to make sure stuff really does not render, while still low enough to actually be easily achieved with a plane or while flying, 5000 meters is a bit insane, plus isn't there a max height for physics to work properly or is that no longer the case?
2018-07-23 10:28 <Ubit> no longer the case
2018-07-23 10:29 <Ubit> never was at opensim i think
2018-07-23 10:29 <Ubit> original sl did had a fly limit for avatars if i remember
2018-07-23 10:29 <Tampa> There was a problem once that above 4096 or something the applyimpulse stopped working properly iirc, though this was years ago
2018-07-23 10:30 <Ubit> they did remove it ??  possible should had not bc viewer rendering is pretty damm ugly at high z
2018-07-23 10:30 <Tampa> Great for skydiving though
2018-07-23 10:31 <Ubit> well is float point precision..  6 valid digits
2018-07-23 10:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5893: SUCCESS in 8 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5893/
2018-07-23 10:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make BanLineSafeHeight option visible in OpenSimDefaults.ini
2018-07-23 10:32 <Ubit> error of 1um at 1m   becomes 1mm at 1000m, etc
2018-07-23 10:33 <Ubit> ufff https://plus.google.com/communities/116284417302234467612
2018-07-23 10:33 <Ubit> i have no idea what is that about...
2018-07-23 10:33 <Ubit> and bullet terrain IS NOT MESH
2018-07-23 10:34 <Tampa> I am not even trying to educate these morons anymore honestly
2018-07-23 10:34 <Ubit> it may internally use a trimesh..  but thats only internal thing
2018-07-23 10:35 <Ubit> well that post heading it totally wrong
2018-07-23 10:35 <Tampa> No surprises there
2018-07-23 10:36 <Tampa> I'm sure BillBlight is already boiling over reading it
2018-07-23 10:37 <Ubit> ggggrrr
2018-07-23 10:37 <Tampa> I have officially given up trying to educate on mesh, because they don't listen anyways
2018-07-23 10:37 <Ubit> "
2018-07-23 10:37 <Ubit> You can tell in FS 5.011 if the mesh is bad as there is a 'Eye' you can click to look at it.   For other viewers, check that there is a Prim Type=None, Prim, and Convex hull.   If there is no Type=Prim, its bad mesh."
2018-07-23 10:37 <Ubit> No it will only be a bad Mesh if you did plan to use it as PRIM
2018-07-23 10:38 <Ubit> fine of you only want its physics to be convex or none
2018-07-23 10:42 <Ubit> and dahlia keeps defending the old decision to automatly use the visual mesh
2018-07-23 10:42 <Ubit> abhh
2018-07-23 10:42 <Ubit> i just give up... 
2018-07-23 10:43 <Tampa> So have I lol
2018-07-23 10:43 <Tampa> Just a waste of energy
2018-07-23 10:45 <Ubit> well and dahlia comments are wrong
2018-07-23 10:46 <Ubit> sl guidelines are valid for any simulation..  sl opensim unity unreal..
2018-07-23 10:47 <Tampa> Want me to just copypasta that again, you know you can comment yourself
2018-07-23 10:47 <Ubit> i did discuss that with dahlia already 2 much
2018-07-23 10:48 <Ubit> For Bullet in particular, it uses 'AABB' pruning for broadphase and "Bounding Volume Hierarchy" for triangle collision optimization which can significantly reduce the cost of calculating triangle collisions.
2018-07-23 10:48 <Ubit> all engines use similar thing..  just waste of talk
2018-07-23 10:49 <Ubit> and he failed to notice that on his building, all engines will give a positive on the fast AABB test and will need to go scan the tree
2018-07-23 10:50 <Tampa> Really tempted now lol
2018-07-23 10:50 <Tampa> They have angered the Ubit, better watch out
2018-07-23 10:50 <Ubit> while if he did split into floor, walls.. etc,  most will be detect as not colliding just on the aabb fast test
2018-07-23 10:50 <Ubit> so... yeah.. waste of time
2018-07-23 10:50 <Tampa> Damn Synergy failed again ffs
2018-07-23 10:53 <Ubit> and all that discuss does not make clean what that picture means LOL
2018-07-23 10:55 <Ubit> and current opensim  cylinder  is also a complex shape
2018-07-23 10:57 <Ubit> what fred tried to sai is about making a mesh for physics on a model that does have several prims
2018-07-23 10:57 <Ubit> that will in most cases go wrong...
2018-07-23 10:57 <Ubit> bc the viewer my not understand what to do with the physics mesh and where to put it on prims
2018-07-23 10:59 <Ubit> the model file selected for physics must have same number of prims..  and in a way viewers can find a match
2018-07-23 11:00 <Ubit> fred had fails, because he was making 2 prims, and a single prim model on the physics
2018-07-23 11:00 <Ubit> of course..  viewer smoked.. and uploaded "something"
2018-07-23 11:03 <Tampa> A web-based uploader would be nice to have, not sure what that would require though
2018-07-23 11:03 <Tampa> brb I need to fix this damn service
2018-07-23 11:03 <Ubit> seems ppl forget that that thing is not called "load mesh" its called "load model"
2018-07-23 11:30 <BillBlight> The ammount of misinformation in that post is staggering
2018-07-23 11:30 <BillBlight> But I usually quit reading anything after Fred comments, because I know it is going to be nonsense
2018-07-23 12:22 <Tampa> It's quite annoying cause you know one day they end up in your hands and you need to explain it again, because hey listen to that BS, but yeah eventually it's a lost cause, can't fix stupid or gullible I suppose. Btw Fred in particular with that outworldz thing is causing some major issues with HG friends as the constant failures to connect to these 
2018-07-23 12:22 <Tampa> "grids" is causing the service thread to lag
2018-07-23 12:23 <Tampa> Every connect fail leaks memory until the whole thread is done
2018-07-23 12:40 <BillBlight> yes Tampa that is a major issue and most of it is because he insists on hosting the dynamic DNS for it on one of his own servers at his "business" rather than in a data center on an actual server, it is on a "high end" desktop system ..
2018-07-23 12:43 <Tampa> Add to that people actually taking ther stuff offline or changing addresses , have you seen his hyerica gridlist mess
2018-07-23 12:44 <BillBlight> but you also have to keep in mind this is the same guy who said that running opensimulator on a desktop machine was just as reliable as running it on a server infrastructure ..
2018-07-23 12:45 <Tampa> whats next running it on a Pi... oh wait
2018-07-23 12:45 <Tampa> ;P
2018-07-23 12:46 <BillBlight> It'll be running on smart watches next
2018-07-23 12:47 <BillBlight> I can put a lamborghini body on a lawnmower, does not mean it is gonna drive like a Lamborghini, still gonna drive like a lawnmower
2018-07-23 12:48 <BillBlight> a damn sexy lawnmower, but still a lawnmower
2018-07-23 12:48 <Tampa> they make pretty neat tractors though
2018-07-23 12:49 <BillBlight> HAHA,  yeah
2018-07-23 12:52 <BillBlight> I mean I understand people wanting to run OS on things like the PI it is a really cool experiment , but don't expect Xeon performance , and not sure the software is the problem .. LOL
2018-07-23 12:53 <BillBlight> In this day and age of cheap servers, and cheap PC's , if a person has a desire to run a publically accessable "grid" the cost of electricity to run a machine with a little more horsepower shoudl be the the least they are willing to spend ..
2018-07-23 13:41 <osmantis> Bug #8343:04 0.9.x has severe (uncontrollable?) HTTP throttling compared to 0.8.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8343 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-23 13:44 <osmantis> Bug #8342:04 Update float BAN_LINE_SAFETY_HEIGHT to new value 5000 due to SL. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8342 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-23 14:01 <osmantis> Bug #8343:04 0.9.x has severe (uncontrollable?) HTTP throttling compared to 0.8.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8343 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-23 14:10 <osmantis> Bug #8342:04 Update float BAN_LINE_SAFETY_HEIGHT to new value 5000 due to SL. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8342 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-23 14:18 <osmantis> Bug #8343:04 0.9.x has severe (uncontrollable?) HTTP throttling compared to 0.8.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8343 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-23 14:19 <Tampa> All that is missing is a mantis about "bad mesh" and the trifecta is complete
2018-07-23 15:02 <osmantis> Bug #8342:04 Update float BAN_LINE_SAFETY_HEIGHT to new value 5000 due to SL. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8342 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-23 17:14 <osmantis> Bug #8342:04 Update float BAN_LINE_SAFETY_HEIGHT to new value 5000 due to SL. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8342 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-24 08:04 <osmantis> Bug #8343:04 0.9.x has severe (uncontrollable?) HTTP throttling compared to 0.8.x 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8343 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-24 17:54 <Ubit> ohh damm its that day again..
2018-07-24 17:54 <Ubit> fun meetings at osgrid Hurliman Plaza
2018-07-24 17:55 <Plugh> Yup. :)
2018-07-24 18:01 <Ubit> plugh you are late
2018-07-24 18:01 <Ubit> i already tried to end the meeting :P
2018-07-24 18:01 <Ubit> well they did ignored me :)
2018-07-24 18:01 <Plugh> I'm not late. I'm very much alive.  ;)
2018-07-24 18:02 <Plugh> Some day we might have a short meeting.
2018-07-24 18:02 <Ubit> yeackk late as in time 
2018-07-24 18:02 <Plugh> I know what you meant.  :)
2018-07-24 19:44 <osmantis> Bug #8342:04 Update float BAN_LINE_SAFETY_HEIGHT to new value 5000 due to SL. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8342 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
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2018-07-24 20:02 <Tampa> Look, a patch
2018-07-24 20:02 <Tampa> And not a bad one at that
2018-07-24 20:08 <Ubit> hmm you telling that scares me 
2018-07-24 20:08 <Ubit> hihihih
2018-07-24 20:30 <BillBlight> welll that is even worse LOL .. since people don't know how to properly use access lists or group access your region could be come a maze that you can't even fly OVER
2018-07-24 20:31 <Ubit> yeah when i spoke about revision was not that
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2018-07-25 09:39 <Naiyro> Hello,
2018-07-25 09:39 <Naiyro> I have a question about how opensim works in grid mode. 
2018-07-25 09:40 <Naiyro> I am asked to create two copies of opensim, one in a folder named robust and the other in a folder named region. They are supposed to coexist to run opensim in grid mode. The problem is that I can't find any use for using two copies instead of one. So I'd like to know if this approach speaks to you or not.
2018-07-25 09:41 <Ubit> dont see what the prob is
2018-07-25 09:41 <Ubit> specially having 2 independent folders already
2018-07-25 09:42 <Ubit> harder ( but possible) would be sharing same folder :)
2018-07-25 09:44 <Ubit> so whats your question again?
2018-07-25 09:48 <Naiyro> So you're saying that two files are needed? I don't understand how it works. I followed this tutorial: . And this is never mentioned. Where could I find out something about it.
2018-07-25 09:48 <Naiyro> This tutorial : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Configuration
2018-07-25 09:49 <Ubit> if you have 2 folders.. then things are separated.. setup each one ini files etc
2018-07-25 09:49 <Ubit> and just start each program on each folder..
2018-07-25 09:50 <Ubit> need main to consider http and udp ports
2018-07-25 09:51 <Ubit> each needs its own, or course 
2018-07-25 09:51 <Ubit> by default robust and regions are set on way diferent ports
2018-07-25 09:52 <Ubit> but adding more regions, of course each needs its own set of ports
2018-07-25 09:54 <Naiyro> Ok, thank you but how do I switch from what I get from the tutorial to using two opensim folders
2018-07-25 09:55 <Ubit> hmm? like making copies before changing ini files? then considering each one a indepedent program ( with the ports thing )
2018-07-25 09:56 <Ubit> linux or win?
2018-07-25 09:56 <Naiyro> win
2018-07-25 09:57 <Ubit> well ok you will have a few cli windows open :)
2018-07-25 10:05 <Naiyro> Ok, I think I understand a little now, thank you x)
2018-07-25 19:19 <Plugh> Curious. The InWorldz campaign to raise funds to keep the grid alive raised over $16,000 of a $17,000 goal in one day but the campaign says it is no longer accepting donations. I wonder why.
2018-07-25 19:26 <Bill_Blight> because they changed it from saving IW to starting a new grid , I bet
2018-07-25 19:28 <Bill_Blight> I'm having issues with that whole thing, in bussiness for 10 year, yet all there data was on THOSE servers, no backups other places, all the money was in paypal .... Hell I'm a small grid and I have servers on two different providers, and in 3 countries ...  
2018-07-25 20:04 <Ubit> yeah confusion.. several that did contribute are now demanding refund, bc they did contribute to svae that grid, not makings a new one
2018-07-25 20:06 <Tampa> rackspace, cloudflare, zendesk, betcha they all want a piece of the pie, those are not cheap options for medium scales, still they imply it runs them a month, 17k a month... that's horseshit
2018-07-25 20:07 <Tampa> The top ten largest opensim grids dont even need that much monthly, plus what about paying customers
2018-07-25 20:08 <Ubit> think the 17k was to pay also to the loanshark paypal etc to clean business
2018-07-25 20:08 <Ubit> odd that after all that is not possible?  err how is that not possible??
2018-07-25 20:08 <Ubit> dunno
2018-07-25 20:08 <Plugh> yea, probably something to do with the business loan that was mentioned in the goodbye message.
2018-07-25 20:08 <Tampa> Cause they dont read contract fineprint
2018-07-25 20:08 <Ubit> a reason to no be possible is if the problem is actually older..
2018-07-25 20:09 <Ubit> and they did broke all deadlines
2018-07-25 20:09 <Plugh> Apparently gofundme gives out the funds received even if the goal wasn't met. Now I'm not sure if the grid is going away or not.
2018-07-25 20:09 <Ubit> well and they give money on a day basis
2018-07-25 20:09 <Tampa> I been getting mails and messages from people saying it was good to call them out on this bullshit and that people follow them like mindless sheep
2018-07-25 20:09 <Ubit> so they could already take it and pay rackstack
2018-07-25 20:09 <Tampa> I'd say the "support" they get is stockholm syndrome
2018-07-25 20:10 <Ubit> well ppl love their things
2018-07-25 20:10 <Ubit> one alone did gave more than 2000usd
2018-07-25 20:11 <Tampa> Such willingness to spend money for this while OpenSim itself can't raise the small amount needed for mumble or some other voice support
2018-07-25 20:11 <Ubit> yeah well.. its life :(
2018-07-25 20:12 <Ubit> i dont understand that of not having time to pay for the servers
2018-07-25 20:12 <Tampa> Cause gofundme takes some time to pay out the money
2018-07-25 20:12 <Ubit> that thing allows to take money on a daily basis
2018-07-25 20:12 <Ubit> a few hours in states
2018-07-25 20:12 <Ubit> acording to their pub
2018-07-25 20:12 <Tampa> Depends on the amount
2018-07-25 20:13 <Ubit> well money also takes time to come in
2018-07-25 20:13 <Tampa> They have a working billing system last I checked and somehow can't configure a charity product in there...
2018-07-25 20:13 <Ubit> being listed does not mean the trasaction was done
2018-07-25 20:15 <Ubit> but also rackspace is not made of robots.. they can negociate time
2018-07-25 20:15 <Bill_Blight> well the gofundme being halted is curious
2018-07-25 20:15 <Ubit> unless already burned out
2018-07-25 20:15 <Ubit> so well i don't understand
2018-07-25 20:15 <Ubit> jsut bad for us all
2018-07-25 20:16 <Ubit> specially trust of prof content creators on opensim grids
2018-07-25 20:16 <Ubit> even as closed as they where
2018-07-25 20:16 <Bill_Blight> yeah but I'm not sure which is worse, them closing or the potential fraud that it appears to be, either way makes the whole community look bad
2018-07-25 20:16 <Ubit> and if they just give unfiltered oars.. outch
2018-07-25 20:17 <Tampa> Time to setup a bingo I guess
2018-07-25 20:17 <Ubit> well seems they no longer speak about giving oars
2018-07-25 20:17 <Tampa> who's got lawsuit for 20$
2018-07-25 20:17 <Ubit> but moving them to the new grid
2018-07-25 20:17 <Ubit> its not lawsuit.. is creators bailout
2018-07-25 20:19 <Ubit> but seems that they are already rethinking that give oars to all
2018-07-25 20:19 <Bill_Blight> Well, they set themselves apart and claimed to be "Better" than the opensimulator community at large, so most of my response is , "They deserve to get publically flogged" but the other part still thinks it reflects bad on the entire community ..
2018-07-25 20:23 <Bill_Blight> I really still can't get past the fact that ALL their data is on those servers and nowhere else so when those servers go down it's all gone ... HOW IS THAT SENSIBLE
2018-07-25 20:23 <Ubit> err iwz don't save assets on objects inv?
2018-07-25 20:23 <Ubit> inwz oars
2018-07-25 20:23 <Ubit> wee do we? lol
2018-07-25 20:23 <Ubit> i think we do 
2018-07-25 20:24 <Bill_Blight> I mean a mirrored server, or a db backup , or an asset backup or just any freaking backup of the server
2018-07-25 20:24 <Bill_Blight> so if that data center had been hit by a tornado, they'd be done
2018-07-25 20:25 <Ubit> well dunno,, but yes one should expect backups on a payed grid
2018-07-25 20:28 <Ubit> why can't they move inventory to other grid?
2018-07-25 20:44 <Bill_Blight> I guess they have made some type of DRM in their inventory system, but last ting I knew Halcyon had removed IAR functions completely
2018-07-25 20:51 <Ubit> yeah but i mean the dbs etc
2018-07-25 20:52 <Tampa> Removed on the basis of not being smart enough to implement it properly within their system and now that's apparently a feature...
2018-07-25 21:06 <Bill_Blight> I mean "Halcyon is so much more secure than Opensimulator because we don't have HG or IARs!!!!"  , umm  Shut off HG and don't allow attached regions .. Bingo secure
2018-07-25 21:07 <Bill_Blight> Oh and I forget, it is sooo much more secure because they don't have OSSL either ..
2018-07-25 21:08 <Ubit> ohh yeah ossl is so so unsafe
2018-07-25 21:08 <Bill_Blight> I mean don't get me wrong it is their project they can do what they want, but the smug air of superiority that floats from them is unsettling 
2018-07-25 21:08 <Ubit> well we see it everywhere :)
2018-07-25 21:09 <Bill_Blight> well yeah, but it is on a different level with that crew
2018-07-25 21:09 <Ubit> even from ppl that did change one line on base code :)
2018-07-25 21:10 <Ubit> well yeah they did changed a bit more than one line ;)
2018-07-25 21:10 <Bill_Blight> HAHA yeah
2018-07-25 21:11 <Ubit> but in recent times  it where not them the worse on push halc as the best of all
2018-07-25 21:12 <Ubit> they did it,, but more on normal comercial wars/pub
2018-07-25 21:13 <Bill_Blight> Yeah that is true, there are some evangilists out there pushing the Halcyon gospel ..  But what I don't get is what they push that is sooo much better can either currently be done in OS, or nobody really cares about ..
2018-07-25 21:13 <Bill_Blight> It is a fact they want to be a CLONE of SL, and not Opensimulator, 
2018-07-25 21:13 <Ubit> yeap they did focus on SL cloning 
2018-07-25 21:14 <Bill_Blight> for the windows hardware/software it takes to run a "legal" halcyon grid, you might as well rent a region at SL
2018-07-26 09:45 <osmantis> Bug #8338:04 [PATCH] Group Powers changed and Officers role brought back for Groups 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8338 ): has been CLOSED
2018-07-26 09:46 <osmantis> Bug #8335:04 0 + 0 = ? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8335 ): has been CLOSED
2018-07-26 09:59 <osmantis> Bug #8331:04 Vivox voice server issues in upcoming viewers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8331 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-07-26 13:16 <valentin_bruneau> Hello everyone. I'm working on a website ,linked with SecondLife, in which some users can generate Opensim.ini's files and I also want to provide voice on the differents regions thanks to Vivox module. But vivox's settings are present on MyWorld.ini's files and not in OpenSim.ini's files so i wan't to know if it's possible to add vivox settings to 
2018-07-26 13:16 <valentin_bruneau> the OpenSim.ini's files or if i'm obliged to say to users to generate MyWorld.ini's file. Thanks for your responses
2018-07-26 13:17 <Ubit> you can include files on opensim.ini
2018-07-26 13:20 <valentin_bruneau> Ok thanks :)
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2018-07-26 22:00 <osmantis> Bug #8345:04 Implementation and design of ClientOnParcelGodMark. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8345 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-07-26 22:00 <osmantis> Bug #8345:04 Implementation and design of ClientOnParcelGodMark. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8345 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
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2018-07-27 13:08 <osmantis> Bug #8345:04 Implementation and design of ClientOnParcelGodMark. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8345 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-27 13:15 <osmantis> Bug #8346:04 [YEngine] Undefined constant/function/variable osUnixTimeToTimestamp(integer) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8346 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-07-27 13:23 <osmantis> Bug #8346:04 [YEngine] Undefined constant/function/variable osUnixTimeToTimestamp(integer) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8346 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-27 13:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #5894 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-07-27 13:27 <osmantis> Bug #8346:04 [YEngine] Undefined constant/function/variable osUnixTimeToTimestamp(integer) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8346 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2018-07-27 13:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5894: SUCCESS in 8 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5894/
2018-07-27 13:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8346: fix argument of osUnixTimeToTimestamp
2018-07-27 13:31 <osmantis> Bug #8346:04 [YEngine] Undefined constant/function/variable osUnixTimeToTimestamp(integer) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8346 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-07-27 14:11 <osmantis> Bug #8345:04 Implementation and design of ClientOnParcelGodMark. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8345 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2018-07-27 14:38 <osmantis> Bug #8345:04 Implementation and design of ClientOnParcelGodMark. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8345 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-07-27 18:58 <osmantis> Bug #8342:04 Update float BAN_LINE_SAFETY_HEIGHT to new value 5000 due to SL. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8342 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-07-27 18:58 <osmantis> Bug #5602:04 RegionReady - Adding shutdown notification when using alert_uri 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5602 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-07-27 18:59 <osmantis> Bug #5602:04 RegionReady - Adding shutdown notification when using alert_uri 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5602 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
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2018-07-27 20:58 <osmantis> Bug #8347:04 Missing config line GroupsExternalURI referring to LocalGroupsServiceLocation in GroupsServiceHGConnectorModule 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8347 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
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2018-07-28 03:52 <CrasherRob> Looking for information regarding REST console (or alternative method.)  I tried OpenSim.ConsoleClient.exe, but that just appears to duplicate the console output. There's no input capability. I tried RestConsole.py from http://opensimulator.org/wiki/RestConsole, and that seems to work for one input command but after that the interface is broken. Restarting the RestConsole python program doesn't seem to work. 
2018-07-28 03:55 <CrasherRob> What I'm really trying to do is control a set of Linux opensim instances that I start whenever the system reboots. I'd like at least to be able to shut them down more gracefully than kill -9. 
2018-07-28 04:01 <CrasherRob> 
ACTION will be AFK for 8+ hours..

2018-07-28 10:14 <Tampa> Run in screen
2018-07-28 10:15 <Tampa> or as service nohup
2018-07-28 10:15 <Tampa> pass shutdown to it instead of killing it, never kill it unless stuck
2018-07-28 10:25 <LiruCookies> You can use screen config to automate starting it in a screen, that way you only have to start screen on boot and screen will start the rest.
2018-07-28 10:30 <LiruCookies> That's /etc/screenrc, but you'll probably want to do ~/.screenrc for the user that you're running opensim under.
2018-07-28 12:08 <Ubit> better not run opensim ( or anything) with root user :)
2018-07-28 12:08 <Ubit> or windows admin of course
2018-07-28 12:17 <Ubit> liru as alch dev ?
2018-07-28 12:18 <Ubit> alch minimap seems not very happy with large regions
2018-07-28 12:19 <Ubit> well Alchemy 5.0.7 (41341) (x64) 
2018-07-28 12:21 <Ubit> use map tile in particular
2018-07-28 12:27 <Ubit> guess some broken math on terrain rescale code
2018-07-28 12:30 <Ubit> ( fs is doing it better )
2018-07-28 13:01 <Ubit> err or liru was singu dev?
2018-07-28 13:01 <Ubit> geezzz my memory :P
2018-07-28 13:54 <LiruCookies> File a jira like everyone else does.
2018-07-28 14:07 <Tampa> got a badass over here
2018-07-28 15:30 <Ubit> opensim devs will not go file issues on all tvps jiras...
2018-07-28 15:30 <Ubit> just can't be
2018-07-28 15:30 <Ubit> and was done.. and ignored
2018-07-28 15:32 <Ubit> if you consider opensim devs as everyone else... well no coments
2018-07-28 15:33 <Ubit> bet you tell the same to LL devs right ?
2018-07-28 15:34 <Ubit> well wait.. if you ignore them, your viewer gets banned..  details..
2018-07-28 15:39 <Ubit> ( even so sorry my confusion.. liru you are not cinder, i should had remembered that )
2018-07-28 15:55 <Tampa> oof
2018-07-28 15:55 <Tampa> Too bad you can't shake people over the internet to get the crazy out of them
2018-07-28 15:56 <Tampa> All my posts on Firestorm concerning opensim have yet to be resolved, but when it came to shitting on other viewers everyone was up in arms
2018-07-28 15:56 <Tampa> go figure
2018-07-28 15:56 <Tampa> Anyways, maybe one day Hippo comes back from the dead huh
2018-07-28 16:04 <Ubit> keep getting news of ppl working on viewers to clean up fix opensim ops etc..
2018-07-28 16:05 <Ubit> but not much actual results
2018-07-28 16:05 <Tampa> Imagine if they would all work together
2018-07-28 16:06 <BillBlight> Viewer Devs, Core Developers work together, that is some funny shit right there
2018-07-28 16:07 <BillBlight> This is the only client server environment I have ever seen that the client tries to force the server to their standards  ... And of course that is mainly to maitain connection with S fucking L
2018-07-28 16:08 <Ubit> well lots of "history" and its "excess garbage" tainting that
2018-07-28 16:09 <Tampa> ego
2018-07-28 16:09 <Tampa> any programmer has it
2018-07-28 16:09 <Tampa> and it'll ruin ya day if you touch it the wrong way
2018-07-28 17:16 <CrasherRob> Tampa, LiruCookies, Ubit Thanks for info on screen, which I didn't know about. Now have local crontab "@reboot /home/<userid>/bin/.reboot (to avoid having to update crontab while testing.) This invokes multiple grid.X scripts, each of which are similar to: log=$HOME/.local/log/opensim.log
2018-07-28 17:16 <CrasherRob> cd $HOME/sim/grids/gridX/bin
2018-07-28 17:16 <CrasherRob> prepare
2018-07-28 17:16 <CrasherRob> while [[ -r "./.operational" && -r "$HOME/sim/grids/.operational" ]]
2018-07-28 17:16 <CrasherRob> do
2018-07-28 17:16 <CrasherRob>   echo `/usr/bin/date` gridX >>$log
2018-07-28 17:16 <CrasherRob>   /usr/bin/mono --debug OpenSim.exe
2018-07-28 17:16 <CrasherRob>   sleep 15
2018-07-28 17:16 <CrasherRob> done
2018-07-28 17:16 <CrasherRob> echo `/usr/bin/date` gridX exit >>$log
2018-07-28 17:17 <Ubit> ( well i did not contrib for that :) 9
2018-07-28 17:19 <CrasherRob> I've also change BIOS default startup after power loss to power on. Now all that's left to do is migrate my grids from Windows to Linux and I think it should be more reliable if there's some sort of outage while I'm away on vacation or something.
2018-07-28 17:20 <Ubit> know one of those things called.. err hmm err hmm ups ?
2018-07-28 17:21 <CrasherRob> Yeah, I have that too. But last time I was away there was a 3 hour power outage.
2018-07-28 17:21 <CrasherRob> Anything else I missed?
2018-07-28 17:21 <Ubit> region/grid users?
2018-07-28 17:22 <Ubit> you know.. those pesty things that break all the nice sims? :)
2018-07-28 17:24 <Ubit> of course opensim is alot better than that, it can crash without any need for users to trigger it
2018-07-28 17:24 <CrasherRob> I've only had one griefer that killed my grid once, and I have an LSL script that teleports him home. I suppose some sort of remote terminal like VNC or team viewer might be a good addition, but while I'm away I generally wouldn't check anyway.
2018-07-28 17:26 <CrasherRob> Actually an OSSL script since I check the griefer's IP address.
2018-07-28 17:28 <CrasherRob> The while loop in the grid.X script will restart the sim in the event of a crash. I've tested it via kill -9 <mono pid> and it restarts OK. 
2018-07-28 17:32 <CrasherRob> If there's some sort of sim loop without a crash, I'd need the remote terminal to fix it. Luckily this doesn't happen too much any more because justincc and now Ubit have done a really good job finding and fixing this kind of problem.
2018-07-28 18:27 <Plugh> CrasherRob: You may find it helpful to include a way to break the loop in the shell script. For example, check for a file called /tmp/STOP when mono exits. If the file exists, exit the loop.
2018-07-28 19:21 <CrasherRob> Plugh There are two .operational control files: one in the current directory and one in $HOME/sim/grids. If either one is not readable, the loop stops. So, I just use "chmod a= .operational" to stop the script loop. 
2018-07-28 19:23 <CrasherRob> Thanks for the advice though. Any hint of a possible problem is helpful.
2018-07-28 20:26 <LiruCookies> There was a point in time where we were talking about establishing a forum for dialog between the opensim and viewer developers, but that was back at the last opensim conference I (Singularity) was invited to. And nothing ever came out of that.
2018-07-28 20:27 <LiruCookies> But anyway, if you find a bug with a viewer, report it on that viewer's issue tracker, same as if someone reported a bug about a grid to us we'd relay it to your (or that particular grid's) issue tracker (if it was indeed a grid issue.)
2018-07-28 21:21 <Aramis^> CrasherRob you could run a 2nd terminal just to attach to in case opensim gets hung, also don't forget the UPS. 3 hr power outage it wouldn't help but here we get a lot of 10 second outages, the battery backup really helps with uptime
2018-07-28 21:21 <Aramis^> brb
2018-07-28 21:21 <Ubit> yes such a forum can be useful and not sure also what happened to it, dont remember even been invited to it, possible bf my time on core 
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2018-07-28 21:22 <Ubit> but you our case, we both use IRC, so do active opensim devs, even by opensim rules
2018-07-28 21:22 <Ubit> so we do have a forum, no excuses to not talk
2018-07-28 21:23 <Ubit> core going to jiras its just not pratical
2018-07-28 21:23 <Ubit> and we are suposed to not favor any viewer
2018-07-28 21:24 <Ubit> im not telling anything about singu, bc im not using it now.
2018-07-28 22:15 <LiruCookies> Which is why we should have established an actual forum for dialog, not just be users here and there in different channels on an irc server.
2018-07-28 22:17 <LiruCookies> Everyone goes to issue trackers when they have issues, why should we favor opensim in this manner? I'd gladly go to your mantis if I had an issue, why shouldn't I and other viewer developers expect the same of you with our JIRAs?
2018-07-28 22:18 <Ubit> i already answered that
2018-07-28 22:19 <Ubit> go tell lindens to use your jira
2018-07-28 22:19 <Ubit> came back to me when they do..
2018-07-28 22:20 <Ubit> and you do know that i actually tried..
2018-07-28 22:20 <Ubit> i do now remember for example the visualparameters issue
2018-07-28 22:20 <BillBlight> Why, because Opensim users are a big segment of the people who use said viewers, again that statetment reinforces my thought that most viewer devs treat opensimulator as the red headed stepchild to they golden child SL ...   But I'm not part of core, I'm just a lowly user  .........  
2018-07-28 22:20 <Ubit> that you totaly ignored.. even with a easy patch..
2018-07-28 22:21 <Ubit> that sienna had to apply herself
2018-07-28 22:21 <Ubit> ( sienaa? was that the nick? )
2018-07-28 22:22 <LiruCookies> If a linden was using a TPV, I'm sure they would report bugs they crossed, just as much as we report bugs to them that we find with their code.
2018-07-28 22:22 <LiruCookies> What visual parameters issue? And Siana is part of the singularity team, so anything she does that was submitted through channels properly is the same as me doing them.
2018-07-28 22:23 <Ubit> yeah yeah
2018-07-28 22:24 <Ubit> whatever.. just a absurd situation
2018-07-28 22:24 <Tampa> I mean, I have like 30 things I'd change in Firestorm if I had the ability to do so, which I kinda do, just lacking time... nothing new there time = money sadly, think of where we'd be if that were not the case
2018-07-28 22:25 <Ubit> many bugs one can't even tell where they are.. if server side or viewer side
2018-07-28 22:25 <Ubit> bahh
2018-07-28 22:25 <LiruCookies> We don't treat SL like a golden child, that's a very biased view point.  The reason I, and other viewer developers, tell you to go through issue trackers is because we have so many other things on our mind and won't remember your issues later, hence the "tracker" part of issue tracker.
2018-07-28 22:25 <Ubit> so yeah. report to our jira..   .. nonsense
2018-07-28 22:25 <LiruCookies> Yes, definitely nonsense, let's tell the viewer dev with short term memory loss your issues instead! Brilliant!
2018-07-28 22:26 <Ubit> when many issues may requere joint research..
2018-07-28 22:26 <BillBlight> 99% of the time, on any Jira, the stock answer is , "That's an opensim issue", but if SL makes a change, the viewer devs trip over themselves to keep up with SL.
2018-07-28 22:27 <Ubit> and NO i do not consider you a normal opensim user liru ( now that my mem did found you on archives lol )
2018-07-28 22:27 <Ubit> neither any viewer dev.. never did
2018-07-28 22:29 <Tampa> Bias and bad relations aside, I feel that, as much as I love tickets and organization, direct dialog solves issues the quickest ways
2018-07-28 22:29 <Tampa> Ubit knows that all too well I bother the poor guy all the time with things and if its a real bug it gets fixed the same day almost
2018-07-28 22:30 <Tampa> Communication is the biggest pusher, tickets just go stale until your boss tells you to review them
2018-07-28 22:30 <Ubit> and tampa some cases it helps having both sides looking to a issue
2018-07-28 22:30 <BillBlight> SL makes a change, the viewer devs, hurry up and fix it to be compatible, Opensimulator makes a change, the general response is, "We'll get to it when we get to it, it is most likely broken anyway" (of course that is a generalization but pretty accurate)
2018-07-28 22:31 <LiruCookies> Direct dialog when we're othewise occupied is going to get nowhere, tossing something into a queue of things to do lets it get attention down the line. Then if you want to directly  communicate, you can just say "hey SV-4592 has been sitting for a while"
2018-07-28 22:31 <Ubit> for example having a report about viewers crashs on a mixed size cluster of regions
2018-07-28 22:31 <Tampa> I would love to see that honestly, but I have yet to, I have tickets open with Firestorm that have not seen a response in months
2018-07-28 22:31 <Ubit> how im i going to debug that alone? bahh
2018-07-28 22:32 <Tampa> Granted thats one viewer, but I have made worse experiences with singu, alch and most others
2018-07-28 22:32 <Tampa> Plus, I know from myself I am more motivated to work when I know I have someone working beside me working toward the same common goal
2018-07-28 22:32 <LiruCookies> Singularity is missing several core features in the last few releases that SL made changes for. There was a moment in time where I went all over the viewer making sure opensim was being well respected. 
2018-07-28 22:32 <LiruCookies> Tell me again how we favor SL?
2018-07-28 22:33 <Tampa> You may not favor them, but opensim, being open source and able to make changes more willingly than SL just treating it the same is not fair either
2018-07-28 22:33 <LiruCookies> I'll tell you what we favor, we favor where many users are having issues and we favor what we're having issues with personally.
2018-07-28 22:34 <BillBlight> My statements are not Directed at Singu directly or you directly LiruCookies, more of gneral statement of Viewer Dev / Core Dev relations, but what Tampa said ..
2018-07-28 22:34 <LiruCookies> In SL, there's a lot of code you can just grab from upstream, that's super simple. Opensim isn't providing patches  to all the viewers with all their changes, SL is. SL makes it easier.
2018-07-28 22:34 <Tampa> Server and client side being this disconnected as Bill said, unheard of
2018-07-28 22:35 <BillBlight> That is because SL has it's own Viewer Devs  ... 
2018-07-28 22:35 <Ubit> wlel i confess i dis stop using sing on 1.8.7 or something..
2018-07-28 22:35 <BillBlight> They actually make a veiwer, were Opensimulator has relied on the Viewer Devs, but that seems to be where the strain is, 
2018-07-28 22:36 <BillBlight> so of course SL can make viewer patches readily available
2018-07-28 22:36 <Ubit> kept 1.8.8 as viewer issues sanity check until my win10 just killed it 
2018-07-28 22:36 <Ubit> 1.8.6 i mean
2018-07-28 22:36 <Ubit> it was "my reference" viewer
2018-07-28 22:37 <BillBlight> If Opensimulator had it's own viewer devs, this conversation would be moot, but that was never a part or purpose of Opensimulator
2018-07-28 22:37 <Ubit> 1.8.7 or something was just a disaster on opensim..  
2018-07-28 22:38 <Ubit> ( the visual parameters issue was early pahse of it if i remember )
2018-07-28 22:38 <BillBlight> My personal opinion, a lot of viwer devs have become complacent with SL/LL telling them what needs to be fixed ..
2018-07-28 22:38 <BillBlight> Not all ... but A lot
2018-07-28 22:38 <BillBlight> and even providing the fixes
2018-07-28 22:38 <Ubit> well fs is still working ok on opensim
2018-07-28 22:39 <Ubit> didn't test last, you did bill right?
2018-07-28 22:39 <BillBlight> pretty easy to update your viewer for SL when SL hands you the patches ... Hell I could do that much, and I don't know crap about viewer dev
2018-07-28 22:39 <LiruCookies> There was a note on the wiki of some opensim project about viewer development being a thing in the future
2018-07-28 22:39 <LiruCookies> Then I also saw something elsewhere that it'd violate some license
2018-07-28 22:40 <Ubit> alch also seems to work..  just notice those map issues that wrongly told about to liru :)
2018-07-28 22:40 <LiruCookies> But I don't think that matters anymore?
2018-07-28 22:41 <Ubit> a opensim viewer was always seen as a need, but normal tpvs did "fill" the needs
2018-07-28 22:41 <Ubit> even today
2018-07-28 22:41 <Ubit> but that is harder every day..  for viewer devs also
2018-07-28 22:41 <Ubit> to keep track of what works on opensim or sl
2018-07-28 22:41 <BillBlight> So I guess the realization is, most viewer devs want their patches handed to them, they don't want to sit in the trenches with opensimulator, just feign support for it so they can be popular ... 
2018-07-28 22:41 <LiruCookies> If you do want it to be as simple as the lab has it, you could develop a common code viewer for opensim. Also, most of us viewer devs have moved to Discord from IRC at this point.
2018-07-28 22:42 <BillBlight> My last statement was definately not directed at you LiruCookies, you at least are talking to us
2018-07-28 22:42 <Ubit> wel we didn't :)
2018-07-28 22:42 <Ubit> irc is still a relative light application to use
2018-07-28 22:43 <Ubit> i did install discord for the first time yesterday to follow that inwz thing
2018-07-28 22:43 <Ubit> can't wait to delete it :p
2018-07-28 22:43 <Ubit> damm bips.. warnings..  huge images in middle of chat  YEACK
2018-07-28 22:43 <Ubit> :)
2018-07-28 22:43 <LiruCookies> Turn it on Cozy mode
2018-07-28 22:43 <BillBlight> So you are saying for the viewer devs to support Opensimulator, opensimulator has to become viewer devs ... That sounds pretty egotistical ...  But oh well, time to go fork some viewer code and make a mess
2018-07-28 22:44 <LiruCookies> That is not what I said.
2018-07-28 22:44 <Ubit> yeak ok i may give discord some more chances digging on its options..
2018-07-28 22:44 <Ubit> but irc is a lot cleanner and simple as is
2018-07-28 22:45 <BillBlight> <LiruCookies> If you do want it to be as simple as the lab has it, you could develop a common code viewer for opensim., that basically says, if we want it fixed we have to do it ourselves
2018-07-28 22:45 <BillBlight> because the devs want it simple
2018-07-28 22:45 <Ubit> and about labs no labs..
2018-07-28 22:45 <LiruCookies> I said for viewer devs to pick up code for Opensim as quickly as they pick up code for SL, the code they pick up needs to exist, otherwise there's a lot more time and energy that needs to be dedicated that could be dedicated on things we are already doing.
2018-07-28 22:46 <Ubit> see with exception of shot?? how many viewer devs mess with shaders ?
2018-07-28 22:46 <Ubit> and all those deeper guts of viewers ?
2018-07-28 22:46 <BillBlight> Maybe the viewer devs need some opensimulator devs
2018-07-28 22:46 <BillBlight> that would be about as fair of a statement
2018-07-28 22:47 <Ubit> singu does have or had one devs on those areas..
2018-07-28 22:47 <Ubit> dev..
2018-07-28 22:47 <LiruCookies> Myself, Cinder, Drake, Siana, and Cryo all work on the deep guts. Shaders aren't guts, the render pipeline is.
2018-07-28 22:47 <BillBlight> again I am speaking in generality
2018-07-28 22:47 <Ubit> with those exceptions all improvements only come from "the labs"
2018-07-28 22:48 <LiruCookies> No... they don't... And the fact that you think that's how it is show that you're not really paying attention, you're just talking out of your ass.
2018-07-28 22:48 <Ubit> yeah yeah sure :p
2018-07-28 22:48 <BillBlight> an example that does not involve singu, was the choice of FS to force disable the httppipeline for opensimulator, assuming opensim people are too stupid to shut it off, or that opensimulator would never get it
2018-07-28 22:50 <LiruCookies> You seem to like to stir a lot of drama and pick fights with people instead of being civil, Ubit. You're not very bright about it either, you're just entirely combative. I have a feeling your attitude has driven people away from opensim in general, and it's probably why you're in this situation now.
2018-07-28 22:51 <Ubit> im not making any war
2018-07-28 22:51 <LiruCookies> Bill, we try to detect it in opensim, I personally think that's a bad way that firestorm did it.
2018-07-28 22:52 <Ubit> neither i had been offensive like you just where ..
2018-07-28 22:53 <BillBlight> I used Singu for a long time, main reason I don't anymore has nothing really to do with how well it works or doesn't work is , I can't stand the "fisher price" user interface, still feels like I'm using snowglobe ..  But I digress that has nothing really to do with this convo, just had to get that out ..
2018-07-28 22:54 <LiruCookies> Personally I use the gemini skin (we now distribute with it) which I maintained for a long time, I don't like the snowglobe look either.
2018-07-28 22:54 <LiruCookies> But I get that some people don't like the UI quirks.
2018-07-28 22:55 <BillBlight> it is the rounded buttons that gets me ... Mondern material style interfaces seem to be much easier on my old eyes
2018-07-28 22:56 <BillBlight> Oh while I have you here LiruCookies, did the override build constraints get hidden, seems to me it used to be a more visible option??  Maybe I'm dreaming, 
2018-07-28 22:59 <LiruCookies> I think it got moved or renamed, one sec
2018-07-28 22:59 <BillBlight> ummm is http://singularityviewer.org/ down?
2018-07-28 23:00 <LiruCookies> It fights us sometimes, I'll check
2018-07-28 23:00 <LiruCookies> alpha.singularityviewer.org should work though
2018-07-28 23:01 <BillBlight> waiting waiting , keep them pixels waiting .... Nooo Page ...
2018-07-28 23:01 <BillBlight> there we go
2018-07-28 23:02 <LiruCookies> Where was override build constraints?
2018-07-28 23:03 <BillBlight> I thought it used to appear when you activated the advanced options, but that was a while back
2018-07-28 23:03 <Ubit> well liru guess you alwayss did read me wrong.. i do not want any wars...
2018-07-28 23:03 <LiruCookies> In the build panel?
2018-07-28 23:03 <BillBlight> I thought so, but I may be entirely wrong, but I know I used to use singu for big builds then it just stopped
2018-07-28 23:04 <LiruCookies> It should work on opensim
2018-07-28 23:04 <Ubit> actually if you had time, you could give a hand now
2018-07-28 23:04 <LiruCookies> The constraints should be off on opensim to the degree
2018-07-28 23:04 <Ubit> on this issue ppl is reporting me, also with singu
2018-07-28 23:04 <BillBlight> I'll check the latest alpha ..  the other big one is the min size not as much as the max size
2018-07-28 23:05 <Ubit> do you have the time now to go to a grid ans see singu crash liru ?
2018-07-28 23:06 <LiruCookies> Oooh
2018-07-28 23:06 <LiruCookies> I know what it is
2018-07-28 23:06 <LiruCookies> It's the render compat check in the grid manager
2018-07-28 23:07 <BillBlight> ahhh HA
2018-07-28 23:07 <LiruCookies> https://github.com/Lirusaito/SingularityViewer/blob/master/indra/newview/hippolimits.cpp#L56
2018-07-28 23:09 <BillBlight> LiruCookies, hope I did not make you miss Ubit's question
2018-07-28 23:09 <LiruCookies> What question?
2018-07-28 23:10 <Ubit> if you have the time to log on a grid and see singu crash
2018-07-28 23:10 <Ubit> ona crossing from 4x4 to standard size
2018-07-28 23:11 <LiruCookies> At the moment, one viewer doesn't even build, the other viewer has a wide array of crashes that would probably happen before I reached the one you refer to.
2018-07-28 23:11 <Ubit> ?
2018-07-28 23:12 <LiruCookies> I could spin a new build but that'd take a while, what grid?
2018-07-28 23:12 <Ubit> just use any working build.. seems to happen with all viewers
2018-07-28 23:13 <Ubit> gris http://theadultgrid.com:8002/
2018-07-28 23:14 <Ubit> what nick will you use ?
2018-07-28 23:14 <Ubit> so i can tell ppl that to reach you
2018-07-28 23:14 <Ubit> ppl there
2018-07-28 23:29 <Ubit> err no hg
2018-07-28 23:30 <Ubit> well guess one first needs to reg a avatar uff
2018-07-28 23:31 <LiruCookies> Weeeeelp
2018-07-28 23:31 <LiruCookies> I screwed something up
2018-07-28 23:31 <Ubit> oops 
2018-07-28 23:31 <Ubit> what ?
2018-07-28 23:31 <LiruCookies> I can't use this build to add grids, one moment, gotta debug this
2018-07-28 23:32 <Ubit> well ok.. no need to be today
2018-07-28 23:32 <Ubit> just the only thing they get if viewer crash logs 
2018-07-28 23:33 <Ubit> so i can't even go look for region side issues
2018-07-28 23:34 <BillBlight> I'm going to jump in there Ubit, see if it crashes with my viewer build
2018-07-28 23:36 <BillBlight> I'm in there Bill Blight
2018-07-28 23:38 <Ubit> duhh get dressed.. lol
2018-07-28 23:45 <Ubit> so odd.. thats a normal case.. almost identical to my test set
2018-07-28 23:47 <Ubit> well a lot of regions arounf the 4x one
2018-07-28 23:59 <Ubit> damm on that area any means kabumm
2018-07-29 18:51 <Plugh> The SL info about llGetWallclock is odd. It returns a float but is supposed to be a value truncated to whole seconds. If it is returning whole seconds why use a float??
2018-07-29 18:51 <Plugh> OpenSim is returning a value that has non-zero digits on the right side of the decimal point.
2018-07-29 22:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #5895 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-07-29 22:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5895: SUCCESS in 8 min 36 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5895/
2018-07-29 22:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: and some more guard try{}catch{} on ub mesh processing
2018-07-30 06:41 <Tampa> That's that same function I kept having issues with isn't it, interesting, I'll get that built see if it has the same effect as my patch :)
2018-07-30 10:12 <Ubit> yes its identical just other place, from what i remember from our talk tampa
2018-07-30 15:22 <Ubit> ohh well one of my cats decide to redecorate my kitchen again...  some (few) dishes and glasses where offending here aesthetics values.. so she reallocated them directly to the floor, with the extra of large increase on number aod parts and pieces..  She looks very pleased now
2018-07-30 15:25 <Ubit> who needs human decoration and aesthetic advisors having cats?
2018-07-30 15:32 <Plugh> hehe
2018-07-30 16:03 <Plugh> The concern with the cat redecorating is glass shards they might step on.
2018-07-30 16:04 <Ubit> yeap
2018-07-30 16:05 <Ubit> or i may step on!
2018-07-30 16:07 <Ubit> had to clean all  under her careful watch and occasional orientation meows
2018-07-30 16:09 <Ubit> while also preventing the other to apply her own aesthetics ideas
2018-07-30 16:33 <Plugh> Neither of my cats ever tried redecorating the kitchen.
2018-07-30 16:35 <Plugh> Let's hope yours don't make it a regular habit.
2018-07-30 17:17 <Ubit> since i don't them go out, thats their may hobby i guess
2018-07-30 17:17 <Ubit> main..
2018-07-30 17:39 <osmantis> Bug #8348:04 Viewers crash on clusters of mixed size regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8348 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-07-30 17:41 <Plugh> Perhaps they want you to play with them more often.
2018-07-30 17:42 <Ubit> nahh they are cats, also like their own private activities like that :)
2018-07-30 17:43 <Ubit> cats do enjoy private moments also, we need to read that when we approach them
2018-07-30 17:46 <Ubit> they also use that time to do all the things they know you had forbidden them to :)
2018-07-30 17:47 <Ubit> and here cames my kitchen decorator reclaiming some social time now lol
2018-07-30 18:12 <osmantis> Bug #8348:04 Viewers crash on clusters of mixed size regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8348 ): has been UPDATED.
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2018-08-01 09:10 <Melanie_T> nothing there a ban could latch onto
2018-08-01 09:11 <Melanie_T> short of going knock/invite
2018-08-01 09:12 <Ubit> seems ircops are on it now
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2018-08-01 09:13 <Tampa> Set the channel to verified and registered usernames only
2018-08-01 09:13 <Ubit> well.. what they see :)
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2018-08-01 14:39 -!- Fly-Man-(Elite20266@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-trzafslmulhdsbyl) has left #opensim-dev
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2018-08-01 16:32 <Tampa> Would someone +r the channel already ffs!
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2018-08-01 19:01 <Tampa> FOR FUCKS SAKE WILL SOMEONE +r THE DAMN CHANNEL ALREADY!
2018-08-01 19:16 <LiruCookies> No one's opped here but ChanServ, are there ops anymore?
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2018-08-01 23:07 <LiruCookies> sdague @sdague adjohn @adjohn daTwitch @daTwitch Melanie_T @Melanie_T nebadon @nebadon Fix your god damn channel.
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2018-08-01 23:07 <Guest44528> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
2018-08-01 23:08 <Guest44528> A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
2018-08-01 23:08 <Tampa> FOR FUCKS SAKE
2018-08-01 23:08 <Melanie_T> LiruCookies: new IP each time
2018-08-01 23:08 <Melanie_T> new user each time
2018-08-01 23:08 <Tampa> +r the channel
2018-08-01 23:08 <Melanie_T> new nick each time
2018-08-01 23:08 <Melanie_T> nothing a ban can latch onto
2018-08-01 23:08 <Tampa> +r the channel
2018-08-01 23:08 <LiruCookies> +r the channel
2018-08-01 23:08 <Melanie_T> for how long?
2018-08-01 23:08 <Tampa> at least a day
2018-08-01 23:09 <Tampa> says it in the notice they sent to ops
2018-08-01 23:09 <Melanie_T> it' been going on for more than a day
2018-08-01 23:09 <Tampa> fine then
2018-08-01 23:09 <LiruCookies> Until it stops being an issue, I suppose
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2018-08-01 23:12 <Ubit> this things are a pain to keep out
2018-08-01 23:13 <Ubit> but they will, at least if they do as my irc net does
2018-08-01 23:14 -!- ChanServ changed mode/#opensim-dev -> +r 
2018-08-01 23:15 <Melanie_T> there
2018-08-01 23:15 <Ubit> yeah may help also
2018-08-01 23:18 <LiruCookies> <3
2018-08-01 23:19 <Plugh> That first URL includes a note that the person offers a service to promote something via IRC. Would be nice if there was someone we could complain to and have that site shut down. 
2018-08-01 23:21 <Bill_Blight> freenode has already posted that they are aware of it, but like most things only the person being infringed can actually take any real action ..
2018-08-01 23:21 <Melanie_T> rightwing pedo propaganda
2018-08-01 23:22 <Bill_Blight> https://freenode.net/news/spambot-attack
2018-08-01 23:22 <Ubit> they may take action
2018-08-01 23:22 <Melanie_T> everthing-exclusionary KKK whitewizardry
2018-08-01 23:22 <Ubit> some things like this can kill a network if there is no reaction 
2018-08-01 23:23 <Bill_Blight> Finally something Melanie_T and I can agree on, this crap sucks ... LOL :P
2018-08-01 23:23 <Melanie_T> lol
2018-08-01 23:23 <Melanie_T> i bet you dollars for donuts this will stop after the midterms arecounted
2018-08-01 23:24 <Bill_Blight> That would not surprise me at all ..
2018-08-01 23:25 <Melanie_T> this is TERF rolled into NRA with a KK cherry on top
2018-08-01 23:25 <Melanie_T> as russian as the kremlin and snowy weather
2018-08-01 23:25 <Bill_Blight> uggg, I wish I could disagree , but ... yeah
2018-08-01 23:25 <Melanie_T> not like the girl said
2018-08-01 23:26 <Bill_Blight> MAGA, Make Assholes, Glorified ASSHOLES!!
2018-08-01 23:26 <Melanie_T> "I know you're not with the KKK but you're a wizard under a sheet"
2018-08-01 23:27 <Melanie_T> but this kind of h8 needs to go
2018-08-01 23:27 <Bill_Blight> Yep
2018-08-01 23:27 <Bill_Blight> I only hate idiots ... LOL
2018-08-01 23:27 <Bill_Blight> :P
2018-08-01 23:28 <Ubit> danng im out of SG popcorns
2018-08-01 23:28 <Bill_Blight> HAHAHA
2018-08-01 23:29 <Bill_Blight> ohh ok, gonna go make popcorn that just made me hungry for some
2018-08-01 23:29 <Melanie_T> well, tbh, i'm no pacifist. with a jihadi in my sights, i'd pull that trigger every time
2018-08-01 23:30 <Ubit> was going to sit reading you 2, eating popcorns..  guess will just sit :)
2018-08-01 23:30 <Melanie_T> doesn't mean i want to kill the kebab shop owner, though
2018-08-01 23:30 <Bill_Blight> does not matter if they are a jihadi or a redneck or a "red hatter" if they are threating me and mine, they are a target ..
2018-08-01 23:31 <Melanie_T> to misquote greenpaeca
2018-08-01 23:32 <Melanie_T> "only when the last Italian has been deported will you understand that Cornish Pasties aren't Pizza"
2018-08-01 23:34 <Melanie_T> meanwhile, back at the ranch, inworldz goes the way of the dinosaurs
2018-08-01 23:35 <Melanie_T> with nary a bump on it's way
2018-08-01 23:36 <Melanie_T> leaving kitely as, as far as i know, the last commerical opensim grid
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2018-08-01 23:37 <Bill_Blight> welll, Digiworldz
2018-08-01 23:37 <Melanie_T> hmm
2018-08-01 23:38 <Melanie_T> i define a commercial grid as one that derives it's primary income from renting out regions it itself hosts
2018-08-01 23:38 <Melanie_T> i don't know if that applied to DW
2018-08-01 23:38 <Melanie_T> i'm sadly out of touch
2018-08-01 23:39 <Ubit> there a lot that do try that
2018-08-01 23:39 <Melanie_T> try vs. succeed
2018-08-01 23:41 <Ubit> success is a hope they all have :)
2018-08-01 23:42 <Ubit> but some are around for a while now
2018-08-01 23:43 <Bill_Blight> DW rents a lot of regions and also hosts other mini grids, so my opinion they qualify, although we may not  have the same opinion ..
2018-08-01 23:43 <Ubit> yeap
2018-08-01 23:44 <Bill_Blight> mmmmm popcorn
2018-08-01 23:45 <Ubit> damm /me sits next to Bill
2018-08-01 23:45 <Melanie_T> steal popcorn
2018-08-01 23:45 <Melanie_T> nn
2018-08-01 23:45 <Bill_Blight> It's ok I have plenty
2018-08-01 23:45 <Bill_Blight> 
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2018-08-01 23:46 <Ubit> :)
2018-08-01 23:48 <Bill_Blight> I just made a big batch in my popper, one of those mini movie theater ones, I have in my living room ... HAHAHA
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2018-08-02 13:05 <Ubit> outch so high.. makes me dizzy
2018-08-02 13:05 <nebadon> lol
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2018-08-02 16:31 <Plugh> Melanie_: Virtual Highway is a commercial grid
2018-08-02 16:31 <Plugh> bbl. Lunch time.
2018-08-02 16:31 <Plugh> There is another.
2018-08-02 16:35 <Ubit> there are many 
2018-08-03 05:40 <Tampa> lol
2018-08-03 14:38 <VinnyB> Hello folks,  Is there any information on getting Vivox voice to work within my region?  Itis working within other regions except mine. I have been using two different versions of Firestorm viewer and the same issues with voice on my region.  Voive is enabled on the region.   Thanks....
2018-08-03 15:17 <Bill_Blight> Ok going to start with a simple question .... do you have a vivox account?
2018-08-03 15:19 <VinnyB> That I just found out doing some digging.  I am accessing the grid via another group, I just checked the opensim.ini and added the lines.  Now to figure how to open an account.
2018-08-03 15:23 <Bill_Blight> well you have to email vivox, and pray they don't ignore you
2018-08-03 15:23 <VinnyB> I am guessing this is the proper way to add thi sto the .ini file.  http://prntscr.com/kebczu  Now just looking into how to sign up for an account.  
2018-08-03 15:23 <Bill_Blight> http://support.vivox.com/opensim/
2018-08-03 15:24 <Bill_Blight> yes that is where you will put the credntials they provide to you
2018-08-03 15:24 <VinnyB> Ahh  cool beans Bill  that is a different form what I found earlier.   thanks
2018-08-03 15:30 <VinnyB> All filed and waiting.   Thanks again Bill
2018-08-03 15:31 <VinnyB> Now to get around the Vivox issues with the new release of Firestorm.
2018-08-03 16:08 <Bill_Blight> Didn't they release it with the fix in it?
2018-08-03 16:26 <VinnyB> Sorry Bill had to step awayfor a while.  Firestorm's last release apparently has a Vivox update, but If I read correctly that made it worse.  Not sure, but the suggestion was to pull the old vivox files over to the lates release.
2018-08-03 16:30 <Bill_Blight> ahhh, yeah I've been building my own viewer and I skipped that update because of the issues, but I thought they were going to fix it
2018-08-03 16:31 <Bill_Blight> for opensim
2018-08-04 15:37 <djphil> Ubit, Have you watched SetDamage recently? He has strange behavior.
2018-08-04 15:37 <djphil> I set damage to 1.0 or 50.0 or 100.0 in a small script with iMoveToTarget to track my avatar and I notice that it disappears completely when it hits my avatar. Normally it should not disappear but I'm mistaken (unless I'm mistaken).
2018-08-04 15:39 <djphil> i mean with llSetDamage (osCauseDamage & osCauseHealing work fine)
2018-08-04 16:13 <djphil> I also found that "llSetStatus (STATUS_ROTATE_X | STATUS_ROTATE_Y, FALSE);" completely immobilizes the object just after compiling the script. It must then collide with the object to unlock it. When I say it is blocked I mean that if I use a Move To target to move the object, it does not move (unless I make a collision with the object).
2018-08-04 16:18 <BillBlight> When these preconditions are met, the avatar receives the damage, and the object will die without calling the collision events
2018-08-04 16:19 <BillBlight> that is from the llsedamage wiki, the object is supposed to die after delivering t he damage
2018-08-04 16:20 <BillBlight> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlSetDamage
2018-08-04 16:24 <Ubit> don't (directly) change damage in months if not years
2018-08-04 16:25 <Ubit> didn't
2018-08-04 16:25 <djphil> Ok Bill, SetDamage is ok then, ty
2018-08-04 16:25 <Ubit> status rotate, no idea, what engine?
2018-08-04 16:25 <djphil> ubODE
2018-08-04 16:25 <djphil> Xengine
2018-08-04 16:26 <djphil> (osgrid simu)
2018-08-04 16:27 <Ubit> well those are  kinda of object repo build things.. stopping a the thing mb expected
2018-08-04 16:27 <Ubit> ie should be done bc setting physical etc..
2018-08-04 16:28 <djphil> Mmmm ?
2018-08-04 16:28 <BillBlight> Is this on the osgrid version?
2018-08-04 16:28 <BillBlight> as that is NOT the latest
2018-08-04 16:28 <djphil> yes, last release of OSG
2018-08-04 16:29 <Ubit> that is 0.9.0.1
2018-08-04 16:29 <djphil> yes
2018-08-04 16:29 <Ubit> well duno also no (direct) changes on physics for months
2018-08-04 16:29 <djphil> OSgrid OpenSimulator 0.9.1.dev.24df1086fa
2018-08-04 16:30 <Ubit> yap that is 0.9.0.1
2018-08-04 16:30 <Ubit> osgrid still didn't tested master
2018-08-04 16:30 <djphil> I have not tested for a long time, just see it today
2018-08-04 16:31 <BillBlight> the version numbers are strange but that is not the latest master 05-04-2018
2018-08-04 16:32 <BillBlight> merge was after that date
2018-08-04 16:32 <Ubit> ohh my pretty arrows at hurlman plaza where returned to me :)
2018-08-04 16:33 <Ubit>  hurliman
2018-08-04 16:34 <BillBlight> uhhh oh
2018-08-04 16:34 <BillBlight> someone mad again?
2018-08-04 16:34 <Ubit> auto return i guess
2018-08-04 16:35 <djphil> return at edge maybee
2018-08-04 16:35 <Ubit> a static object? nahh 
2018-08-04 16:36 <djphil> ha is static! okay okay !
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2018-08-05 08:29 <Guest58706> After acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
2018-08-05 08:29 <Guest58706> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
2018-08-05 08:29 <Guest58706> Handshake cryptocurrency scam is operated by Andrew Lee (276-88-0536), the fraudster in chief at Private Internet Access which now owns Freenode
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2018-08-05 08:33 <anthonyf10> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
2018-08-05 08:33 <anthonyf10> Handshake cryptocurrency scam is operated by Andrew Lee (276-88-0536), the fraudster in chief at Private Internet Access which now owns Freenode
2018-08-05 08:33 <anthonyf10> Even christel, the freenode head of staff is actively peddling this scam https://twitter.com/christel/status/1025089889090654208
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2018-08-05 08:50 <Nakato4> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
2018-08-05 08:50 <Nakato4> Handshake cryptocurrency scam is operated by Andrew Lee (276-88-0536), the fraudster in chief at Private Internet Access which now owns Freenode
2018-08-05 08:50 <Nakato4> Even christel, the freenode head of staff is actively peddling this scam https://twitter.com/christel/status/1025089889090654208
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2018-08-05 08:56 <e-mail> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
2018-08-05 08:56 <e-mail> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
2018-08-05 08:56 <e-mail> Handshake cryptocurrency scam is operated by Andrew Lee (276-88-0536), the fraudster in chief at Private Internet Access which now owns Freenode
2018-08-05 08:56 <e-mail> Even christel, the freenode head of staff is actively peddling this scam https://twitter.com/christel/status/1025089889090654208
2018-08-05 08:56 <e-mail> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
2018-08-05 09:05 <Ishaq29> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
2018-08-05 09:05 <Ishaq29> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
2018-08-05 09:05 <Ishaq29> Handshake cryptocurrency scam is operated by Andrew Lee (276-88-0536), the fraudster in chief at Private Internet Access which now owns Freenode
2018-08-05 09:05 <Ishaq29> Even christel, the freenode head of staff is actively peddling this scam https://twitter.com/christel/status/1025089889090654208
2018-08-05 09:05 <Ishaq29> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
2018-08-05 09:12 <KindOne> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
2018-08-05 09:12 <KindOne> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
2018-08-05 09:12 <KindOne> Handshake cryptocurrency scam is operated by Andrew Lee (276-88-0536), the fraudster in chief at Private Internet Access which now owns Freenode
2018-08-05 09:13 <KindOne> Even christel, the freenode head of staff is actively peddling this scam https://twitter.com/christel/status/1025089889090654208
2018-08-05 09:13 <KindOne> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
2018-08-05 09:24 <TheMesquito19> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
2018-08-05 09:24 <TheMesquito19> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
2018-08-05 09:24 <TheMesquito19> Handshake cryptocurrency scam is operated by Andrew Lee (276-88-0536), the fraudster in chief at Private Internet Access which now owns Freenode
2018-08-05 09:26 -!- ChanServ changed mode/#opensim-dev -> +r 
2018-08-05 12:37 <ubit> grr damm pub bots
2018-08-05 12:42 <Tampa> I been running the door in on the freenode staff, but they don't respond
2018-08-05 12:43 <ubit> yeah i did that also..
2018-08-05 12:43 <ubit> they never answer
2018-08-05 12:49 <ubit> well they do know about it
2018-08-05 12:51 <ubit> https://freenode.net/
2018-08-05 20:41 <djphil> @Ubit, I checked my script in SL yesterday. The one with STATUS_ROTATE_X and STATUS_ROTATE_Y. In second Life, STATUS_ROTATE_X and STATUS_ROTATE_Y worked very well, no problem. So I think there is really something broken in Opensim and this with ubODE but also with BulletSim. Here! :)
2018-08-05 20:43 <djphil> 
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2018-08-05 20:50 <Plugh> djphil: What function takes those defined constants?
2018-08-05 20:51 <BillBlight> llSetStatus
2018-08-05 20:51 <djphil> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlSetStatus
2018-08-05 20:51 <djphil> yes
2018-08-05 20:51 <djphil> Used in  a script with with llMoveToTarget
2018-08-05 20:53 <djphil> this one is similar
2018-08-05 20:53 <djphil> https://forums.osgrid.org/viewtopic.php?p=27869#p27869
2018-08-05 20:53 <djphil> just add llSetStatus( STATUS_ROTATE_X | STATUS_ROTATE_Y, FALSE);
2018-08-05 20:53 <djphil>  somewhere lol
2018-08-05 20:55 <djphil> Comment this line osCauseDamage (user_uuid, damage);
2018-08-05 20:55 <djphil> Otherwise you will be expelled to the home lol
2018-08-06 01:26 <djphil> Hehe opensim mantis bot can not enter anymore :p
2018-08-06 01:27 <djphil> 
ACTION Mantis Bot remplacement say: REGION_FLAG_ALLOW_DIRECT_TELEPORT broken @ http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8350

2018-08-06 02:39 <BillBlight> just must not be reading the flags correctly because I know that works use it all the time on sims
2018-08-06 02:58 <djphil> You confirmed that this one does not work?
2018-08-06 03:00 <BillBlight> from the script no it does not return the flag correctly, but the flag does actually work
2018-08-06 03:03 <djphil> 14REGION_FLAG_ALLOW_DIRECT_TELEPORT01 have a impact to any lsl/ossl Teleport functions or is only to acced to the region via map ?
2018-08-06 03:04 <djphil> oops sorry for text bold :o
2018-08-06 03:05 <BillBlight> It does have an impact on teleport from scripts, but depends on who you are teleporting, and I think who is doing the TP, if a god is doing the TP seems like it might override it, need to test that more
2018-08-06 03:05 <BillBlight> depends on the setting in entity transfer I think too
2018-08-06 03:06 <djphil> So if we want to check if the region allow direct teleport in a script we need this flag via function
2018-08-06 03:07 <BillBlight> yeah, but I'm not sure why you would need to check it via a script as you are already on the region
2018-08-06 03:07 <BillBlight> goto about region
2018-08-06 03:08 <BillBlight> And it is not really anthing that anyone but the region owner or grid god can do anything about, so it is really not good for anything
2018-08-06 03:09 <djphil> If I want to use teleport in a script and want to check if the script will work correctly !if flag = FALSE return; ... prevent warnings)
2018-08-06 03:10 <BillBlight> but the function only works on a region you are already on, so just change the flag in your script ...  Not like you can check the destination region
2018-08-06 03:10 <BillBlight> but
2018-08-06 03:10 <BillBlight> I think osTeleport ignores it if you are already on the region
2018-08-06 03:10 <BillBlight> it is only for incoming agents
2018-08-06 03:10 <djphil> yes but you say that affect teleport functions too
2018-08-06 03:11 <djphil> ha opk !!!
2018-08-06 03:11 <djphil> only for incoming
2018-08-06 03:11 <djphil> that very different :p
2018-08-06 03:11 <BillBlight> so since you can't check remote regions, it does not really solve anything
2018-08-06 03:14 <djphil> Why keep it if it is not useful ...
2018-08-06 03:14 <BillBlight> lol, I agree, there is a lot of things that are not useful to opensim, and most of them are in the viewer ..
2018-08-06 03:15 <djphil> I have see SL remove some but not this one ...
2018-08-06 03:15 <djphil> There is probably a reason for this ...
2018-08-06 03:16 <djphil> And yes I am always curious :p
2018-08-07 08:14 <djphil> ping Tampa
2018-08-07 08:14 <djphil> I found several OSSLs not highlited in Firestorm. Do you still make the xml file and give it to Firestorm-Dev?
2018-08-07 08:29 <djphil> Ubit, all OSSL sounds functions are be removed ? I see that they are not implemented in the latest version of Osgrid :s
2018-08-07 08:33 <Tampa> I have not made an update to that in a while, not sure what functions would be missing, I was pretty sure I got them all when I pulled them out of the implementation
2018-08-07 08:36 <djphil> Well I thought all the news ossl for sounds but I see that they are not in Osgrid
2018-08-07 08:37 <djphil> However, I found a constant missing: AGENT_LIST_EXCLUDENPC
2018-08-07 08:38 <djphil> (i mean highlight missing)
2018-08-07 08:42 <Tampa> You can probably reply to the ticket I opened back then if you find missing things, though for constants they need their bit value as description so you need to find that first
2018-08-07 08:50 <djphil> On wiki i see only that:
2018-08-07 08:50 <djphil> AGENT_LIST_EXCLUDENPC     0x4000000     bit mask option to llGetAgentList scope to exclude NPCs
2018-08-07 08:50 <Tampa> Yeah that's enough
2018-08-07 08:51 <djphil> ok
2018-08-07 08:52 <Tampa> <integer_constant name="AGENT_LIST_EXCLUDENPC" desc="Value 0x4" />
2018-08-07 08:52 <Tampa> I think that's what it need to be
2018-08-07 08:52 <Tampa> You can test by putting that into the scriptlibrary_ossl.xml in the appdata firestorm folder under user_settings
2018-08-07 08:57 <djphil> I will report on FS Mantis directly
2018-08-07 16:17 <BillBlight> djPhil, the new osSound functions were put in httptests, now master, but for whatever reason, osgrid is failing their duty as the test bed for opensimulator code and not updating to the latest ..
2018-08-07 17:06 <Ubit> osgird is on 0.9.0.1 still
2018-08-07 17:06 <Ubit> osgrid
2018-08-07 17:57 <djphil> OK, thank you Bill & U-bit I just wanted to make sure before making a JIra on FS.
2018-08-07 17:57 <BillBlight> Meeting Time
2018-08-07 17:58 <djphil> Subject of the day ?
2018-08-07 17:58 <BillBlight> We have a subject???
2018-08-07 17:58 <Ubit> how bas bill's beer is
2018-08-07 17:58 <Ubit> how bad
2018-08-07 17:58 <BillBlight> You just think it is beer
2018-08-07 17:59 <Ubit> you sell it as such
2018-08-07 18:01 <BillBlight> I don't sell it, you just took it
2018-08-07 18:01 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-08-07 18:02 <Ubit> yr script did it
2018-08-07 18:02 <Ubit> see im not even drinking that thing 
2018-08-09 01:33 <Bill_Blight> for those interested .. https://www.mono-project.com/docs/about-mono/releases/5.14.0/  new mono release
2018-08-09 15:37 <Plugh> Bill: ping
2018-08-09 15:55 <Plugh> Hey, nebadon.
2018-08-09 15:55 <nebadon> hello
2018-08-09 15:55 <Plugh> Can I PM you for a moment?
2018-08-09 15:55 <nebadon> sure
2018-08-09 16:08 <Plugh> lunch time. bbl.
2018-08-11 16:16 <Plugh> BillBlight: ping
2018-08-11 18:08 <BillBlight> pong
2018-08-11 18:09 <Plugh> BillBlight: Is project sasha only for supporting GPDR auth for HG TPs in to a grid?
2018-08-11 18:19 <BillBlight> yes it is limited to that, I'm sure somoene could mod it to a full fledged auth system
2018-08-11 18:20 <BillBlight> It started out as that, but I reduced it's scope
2018-08-11 18:20 <BillBlight> and is more of a framework of HOW to do it , but it can be used as is ..
2018-08-11 18:34 <Plugh> ok. 
2018-08-11 19:14 <Plugh> BillBlight: I want to test out that bug in region search but I can't figure out how to HG TP from some other grid to your region in osgrid. Every HG TP attempt fails.
2018-08-11 19:17 <BillBlight> well we know it works because people HG'd in for the dev meetng
2018-08-11 19:18 <BillBlight> and I hg there all the time
2018-08-11 19:19 <BillBlight> the grid address for Hg is hg.osgrid.org:80:Dev Outreach
2018-08-11 19:20 <BillBlight> no bloody http no bloddy slashes
2018-08-11 19:25 <Plugh> I had to HG TP to osgrid without stating a target region then TP'ed to dev outreach
2018-08-11 19:26 <BillBlight> I just HG'd directly there from Metro, so sounds like a personal problem
2018-08-11 19:28 <Plugh> Doesn't matter. I got the information I needed. I very seldom do HG TP's.
2018-08-11 19:29 <Plugh> I have no need to do so most of the time.
2018-08-11 21:10 <Tampa> Kitely has the same issue, hg will not work without specifying a region
2018-08-11 22:43 <Ubit> there is a setting for a defaultHG region, was on 0.8x also
2018-08-12 00:06 <BillBlight> yep, but in this case that does not even apply , plugh was talking about hg'ing directly to a region , personally I just think he had the address in the wrong format ..
2018-08-12 00:08 <Plugh> No, I didn't. The region was found. I just couldn't get there when I clicked the region in the list of results.
2018-08-12 00:14 <BillBlight> could be a linux thing with the viewer then
2018-08-12 00:14 <BillBlight> works fine in windows
2018-08-12 01:55 <Plugh> BillBlight: What puzzles me is why does the region query get passed back to the grid where you started in addition to the grid you are in.
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2018-08-14 04:16 <djphil> BillBlight are you arround ?
2018-08-14 14:51 <Plugh> How do you track down an item that is responsible for the startup error message -> OpenMetaverse Failed to decode mesh asset
2018-08-14 14:57 <Plugh> I'm getting the message 27 times during startup with what appears to a be a UUID (without the -'s)
2018-08-14 17:09 <Plugh> Finally figured out the problem is being triggered during maptile generation. The objects are seen in world but only appears to be a problem during maptile gen.
2018-08-14 17:50 <Ubit> hmm today is one of those days ??
2018-08-14 17:50 <Ubit> ops i see it is :)
2018-08-14 17:57 <BillBlight> Meeting Time
2018-08-14 17:57 <Ubit> plugh you are late
2018-08-14 17:58 <Ubit> im about to close the meeting!
2018-08-14 17:58 <Ubit> :)
2018-08-14 17:58 <Plugh> hehe
2018-08-14 18:33 <Tampa> There is debug in the mesher that you can enable and then compile it should tell you more info about the object
2018-08-14 18:56 <Plugh> I don't know if the libOMV meshmerizer has access to the information about the object location.
2018-08-14 18:58 <Tampa> If you have the name of the object or uuid you can search the database for the location though
2018-08-14 18:58 <Plugh> The message included something that looked like it might have been a form of UUID but searching for it turned up nothing. 
2018-08-14 18:59 <Plugh> The error message doesn't say the name of the object.
2018-08-14 19:02 <Tampa> I put debug stuff that was commented out in the code back in after which I got a list of the failed mesh objects I don't remember specifically where but there is additional debug info the code can offer you just need to build with that
2018-08-14 19:02 <Tampa> Ubit should know more he worked on that function just recently
2018-08-14 19:02 <Ubit> that was on ubMeshmerizer, diferent thing
2018-08-14 19:03 <Tampa> I assume the same information is available to both you just need to pull it
2018-08-14 19:04 <Ubit> its libomv
2018-08-14 19:05 <BillBlight> I'm pretty sure if you watch the startup, and you will see errors about failed meshing that is NOT part of the map generation, willing to bet it is the same objects ... Why would you think the map would be better at meshing than the mesher, it is kind of common sense
2018-08-14 19:21 <Ubit> well recent libomv should read good meshes with no issue
2018-08-14 19:21 <Ubit> the problem i knew about is fixed on it
2018-08-14 19:28 <BillBlight> I think it is reading good meshes fine, it is the older "questionable" meshes that it is having an issue with ..
2018-08-14 20:56 <Plugh> I say that the problem is during map tile generation as the errors appear right after it mentions OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.World.WorldMap.WorldMapModule [WORLD MAP]: Generating map image
2018-08-14 20:57 <Plugh> One of the two places in libOMV that the error is output is in a function related to the map.
2018-08-14 21:27 <BillBlight> if you turn off render meshes, 90% of the error will go away, so yeah you are right, but if you are passing bad mesh to warp to begin with, you can't expect it to render it happily
2018-08-14 21:29 <BillBlight> OpenMetaverse.Assets.AssetMesh.Decode should be the first clue
2018-08-14 21:29 <BillBlight> it is trying to render a mesh that it can't render
2018-08-14 21:31 <BillBlight> I did test this, empty region, uploaded new mesh, uploaded new texture, placed on region, generated map, no errors, placed a piece of mesh I knew to be crap regenerated map and it had a hissy fit
2018-08-14 21:42 <Plugh> The objects look ok in world so I don't know what part of the mesh the map generation doesn't like. I would just like to see the error propagate up the chain to where it can report on what object has an error.
2018-08-14 21:43 <Plugh> I had an initial look but haven't yet figured out where the call is made from the OS code.
2018-08-14 21:45 <BillBlight> most likely if you watch the whole startup you will see yellow warnings about a piece of mesh that failed to "MESH"
2018-08-14 21:46 <Plugh> I found a different way to identify the mesh objects that generated the complaint by noting how many times the complaint was issued and related it to the same number of a certain type of tree.
2018-08-14 21:47 <BillBlight> but the error in the map not meshing , I'm sure is directly related to the fact that the mesher cannot mesh the items corectly anyway
2018-08-14 21:48 <BillBlight> they may "Look" right but that does not mean they meshed correctly
2018-08-14 21:48 <Plugh> I know but the fact they look ok makes it hard(er) to know what objects failed to mesh properly.
2018-08-14 21:50 <BillBlight> If you are running ubode, and you go to the features tab and the mesh does not have a PRIM option, it is missing physics data, there for it did not mesh correctly
2018-08-14 21:51 <BillBlight> Or as someone pointed it it could also be missing LOD data
2018-08-14 21:53 <Plugh> I'm not sure what you are referring to by a PRIM option. You mean any settings under Features? I see it has Physics Shape Type of None. Everything else is grayed out except for Gravity, Friction, Density, and Bounciness.
2018-08-14 21:56 <BillBlight> you can't select anything other than NONE under physics shape?
2018-08-14 21:56 <BillBlight> then there is the issue
2018-08-14 21:57 <BillBlight> the trees are missing a physics model entirely
2018-08-14 21:57 <BillBlight> so of course the mesher is going to blow up
2018-08-14 22:01 <Plugh> There are two other selections but it has defaulted to None.
2018-08-14 22:01 <Plugh> um... one other choice which is Convex Hull
2018-08-14 22:02 <BillBlight> right there should be 3
2018-08-14 22:02 <BillBlight> None, convex hull and PRIM
2018-08-14 22:03 <Ubit> guys, why did you went from map to physics?
2018-08-14 22:05 <BillBlight> Just using the physics to point out that the mesh is screwed up
2018-08-14 22:06 <Ubit> what opensim version are you using Plugh »
2018-08-14 22:06 <Ubit> ?
2018-08-14 22:06 <Plugh> The one where the problem is showing up is on 0.8.2
2018-08-14 22:07 <Plugh> It isn't the actual mesh errors I care about as much as the error is useless as it doesn't tell me what object has the problem or where it is located.
2018-08-14 22:08 <BillBlight> ugg
2018-08-14 22:08 <BillBlight> ok so not even seeing same error
2018-08-14 22:08 <BillBlight> because warp was updated in 9x
2018-08-14 22:09 <Plugh> I don't care whether it throws an error or now. If it decides there is a problem I want it to tell me something useful that will let me locate the item.
2018-08-14 22:09 <Plugh> s/or now/or not/
2018-08-14 22:26 <Plugh> dinner time. bbl.
2018-08-15 05:38 <Tampa> Failed to load AssetService from OpenSim.Services.FSAssetService.dll:FSAssetService; config is AssetServiceSystem.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. ---> System.Exception: Failed to load AssetService from OpenSim.Services.FSAssetService.dll:FSAssetService; config is AssetService
2018-08-15 05:38 <Tampa> I had bad documentation -.-
2018-08-15 05:38 <Tampa> Still not working according to the wiki
2018-08-15 06:02 <BillBlight> what are you trying to do?
2018-08-15 06:02 <BillBlight> this region config?
2018-08-15 06:05 <BillBlight> If this is a region config you don't load the fsasset service on regions
2018-08-15 06:08 <Tampa> Trying to setup fsassets to do some performance testing
2018-08-15 06:09 <BillBlight> well you don't put fsassets in region configs
2018-08-15 06:09 <BillBlight> only on robust
2018-08-15 06:10 <BillBlight> regions talk over the standard asset connector to robust which then stores and retrieves via fsassets
2018-08-15 06:10 <Tampa> I figured out the wiki does not actually list the sections properly so that's what's wrong I think I may have it now
2018-08-15 06:10 <Tampa> The undocumented config options are quite useful, someone... should document them
2018-08-15 06:12 <BillBlight> actually I don't see anything really wrong with the wiki, it clearly says that fsassts goes in the robust inis and makes no mention that they go in region inis which is actually correct
2018-08-15 06:12 <Tampa> I never said I put them into the regions
2018-08-15 06:12 <Tampa> I ain't that stupid
2018-08-15 06:12 <BillBlight> hmmm well that error looks just like someone else I just recently had to stop from doing that exact thing
2018-08-15 06:13 <BillBlight> they were convinced if they were using fsassets they had to configure them on the region as well
2018-08-15 06:14 <BillBlight> so I just made that assumption based on recent experience
2018-08-15 06:15 <BillBlight> which "undocumented" config options are you speaking of?
2018-08-15 06:15 <Tampa> UseOsgridFormat = true
2018-08-15 06:16 <BillBlight> uggg
2018-08-15 06:16 <BillBlight> Yeah just shifts the hash order
2018-08-15 06:16 <Tampa> Makes it easier to compare to sras since I dont have to make another copy of the data
2018-08-15 06:17 <BillBlight> yeah no speed difference, just changes the hash , but I see where you are going
2018-08-15 06:19 <BillBlight> if that got documented, it would have to come with a huge warning sign, as I can easily see people changing it , "just to see what it does"
2018-08-15 06:27 <Tampa> hehehe muhuahuhahaha
2018-08-15 06:43 <Tampa> It appears the table structures are also different huh, dangit
2018-08-15 08:13 <Tampa> MySQL failure creating asset 058c75c0-a0d5-f2f8-43f3-e9699a89c2fc with name "woodgrain_bumpmap". Error: Unknown column 'assetType' in 'field list'
2018-08-15 08:13 <Tampa> Those are the standard assets, could it be they are not designed to work with FSAssets?
2018-08-15 08:14 <Tampa> It uses type instead of asset_type
2018-08-15 08:30 <Tampa> Ubit, why does login create an asset?
2018-08-15 09:00 <Ubit> it does? never noticed
2018-08-15 09:01 <Ubit> mb you mean viewer creates a asset at login ?
2018-08-15 09:01 <Tampa> It must be something cause it complained it could not dbnull something it was trying to write
2018-08-15 09:02 <Tampa> I wonder if thats writing or altering though can't tell
2018-08-17 16:38 <djphil> Hehe, Opensim Realistic Hologram @ https://bit.ly/2BkzU6L :)
2018-08-17 16:39 <nebadon_> neat
2018-08-17 16:39 <nebadon_> webgl?
2018-08-17 16:39 <djphil> No
2018-08-17 16:40 <djphil> Isn't a MOAP lol
2018-08-17 16:41 <djphil> Is advanced light
2018-08-17 16:49 <Plugh> Interesting. How did they do that?
2018-08-17 16:50 <nebadon_> some kind of  masking i guess
2018-08-17 16:50 <nebadon_> a transparent overlay blocks out anything behind it
2018-08-17 16:50 <Plugh> Advanced light? Is that recently added feature in SL?
2018-08-17 16:50 <Plugh> except it says OpenSim. Hm... 
2018-08-17 16:50 <BillBlight> animated gif, converted to opesim, with advanced lighting 
2018-08-17 16:50 <BillBlight> we have had advanced lighting for years plugh
2018-08-17 16:51 <nebadon_> i suspect the cube is actually a cube
2018-08-17 16:51 <djphil> No, that using fake mirror + projectors
2018-08-17 16:51 <djphil> Nothing with alpha
2018-08-17 16:51 <BillBlight> ahhh Ok, yeah I can see how that would worl djphil
2018-08-17 16:51 <BillBlight> work
2018-08-17 16:53 <djphil> The Hologram is not a cube (prim) but a cube projected Neb
2018-08-17 16:53 <Plugh> BillBlight: I've seen the checkbox in the viewer but I don't remember how it is supposed to change the appearance of things in-world. Is that the thing that brought object shadows?
2018-08-17 16:53 <BillBlight> you can do some crazy stuff with projectors, reflection maps and such
2018-08-17 16:54 <BillBlight> Plugh , it also adds prjojected light/images 
2018-08-17 16:54 <djphil> and you can disabled the shadows
2018-08-17 16:54 <Plugh> I'm still waiting for the appearance of mirrors. :)
2018-08-17 16:55 <BillBlight> Well for that we will need environment maps and projectors on the avatar themselves
2018-08-17 16:55 <djphil> There is already a way to make almost "true" mirroir "but yes, we expect it with great impatience Plugh
2018-08-17 16:56 <djphil> "Fake" environment map is possible with projectors
2018-08-17 16:56 <djphil> but isn't realtime
2018-08-17 16:58 <BillBlight> Our avatars are not picked up in the environment as far as reflections because they are not mapped as part of the environment view, simply shadows and ligthing added after the fact  .. Until the environment actually maps the surface of our avatars we will never see true mirrors
2018-08-17 17:00 <djphil> for avatars, we need Firestorm true mirror, we hope soon !!! :p
2018-08-17 17:01 <djphil> I wonder why it is not already implemented for everyone, it's strange
2018-08-17 17:02 <djphil> and same for 360 snapshot ...
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2018-08-21 18:01 <Bill_Blight> meeting time .. You are later Plugh
2018-08-21 18:01 <Bill_Blight> late
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2018-08-23 00:24 <Draven_Natae> Any gurus around? For some reason whenever I rez something from my inventory I'm getting the following: https://pastebin.com/2NC9R2Pa and it hangs the server. I have to shut it down and restart it. When I restart it, the object I rezzed is there.
2018-08-23 00:25 <Ubit> sounds like a bad mesh on object cb2273c9-da19-4044-b7e5-6ccbeea1c56a
2018-08-23 00:26 <Draven_Natae> but when I first uploaded it, it rezzed out with no issues
2018-08-23 00:26 <Draven_Natae> it only happens after I rez it out after the server has been rebooted.
2018-08-23 00:27 <Ubit> oh and another
2018-08-23 00:28 <Draven_Natae> yea, I can rez it on OSgrid just fine
2018-08-23 00:28 <Draven_Natae> so it's something with my server.
2018-08-23 00:28 <Draven_Natae> rezzes fine in a sandbox
2018-08-23 00:29 <Ubit> one with bullet ?
2018-08-23 00:29 <Ubit> the plaza sandboxes have engine on parcel name or so
2018-08-23 00:30 <Draven_Natae> ODE is sandbox
2018-08-23 00:30 <Ubit> think bullet is II and ubOde is III
2018-08-23 00:31 <Draven_Natae> anything special I have to do other than change the config settings?
2018-08-23 00:31 <Draven_Natae> I know one of them I had to install some extra stuff I think
2018-08-23 00:31 <Ubit> did you changed anything meanwhile ?
2018-08-23 00:33 <Draven_Natae> no
2018-08-23 00:33 <Ubit> err did you killed sandbox II ?
2018-08-23 00:33 <Draven_Natae> I dont think so
2018-08-23 00:33 <Draven_Natae> I just TPed over there
2018-08-23 00:33 <Draven_Natae> lol
2018-08-23 00:33 <Draven_Natae> I hadn't rezzed anything on it yet
2018-08-23 00:34 <Ubit> my tp from lbsa failed
2018-08-23 00:34 <Ubit> lbsa is doing that to me no idea why
2018-08-23 00:34 <Plugh> Draven_Natae: What are your physics and meshing settings in OpenSim.ini
2018-08-23 00:35 <Ubit> ok it is alive :)
2018-08-23 00:35 <Draven_Natae> checking
2018-08-23 00:35 <Ubit> well i can't move.. minor detail lol
2018-08-23 00:35 <Draven_Natae> my mono is 
2018-08-23 00:35 <Draven_Natae> Mono JIT compiler version 5.16.0.113 btw
2018-08-23 00:36 <Ubit> anything against stable versions? :p
2018-08-23 00:36 <Draven_Natae> lol
2018-08-23 00:36 <Draven_Natae> I probably should switch it to a stable version yea
2018-08-23 00:36 <Draven_Natae> my mesher and physics are the default
2018-08-23 00:36 <Draven_Natae> Meshmerizer and BulletSim
2018-08-23 00:37 <Ubit> well i can't move on sandbox II :)
2018-08-23 00:37 <Plugh> ok
2018-08-23 00:38 <Ubit> you can move on sand II Draven ?
2018-08-23 00:38 <Draven_Natae> also using mysql database
2018-08-23 00:38 <Draven_Natae> if that makes a difference
2018-08-23 00:39 <Ubit> ok sand II got a restart from osg heaven
2018-08-23 00:40 <Ubit> hmm or hell.. depending on view point
2018-08-23 00:42 <Ubit> oh the ubode one is larger never noticed it lol
2018-08-23 00:43 <Draven_Natae> switching to mono 5.14 to see if that helps
2018-08-23 00:59 <Draven_Natae> yea, same error on 5.14
2018-08-23 00:59 <Ubit> wel that is good news for me.. not so for you :p
2018-08-23 01:06 <Ubit> what option does that mesh has for physics?
2018-08-23 01:15 <Draven_Natae> convex
2018-08-23 01:18 <Ubit> i seen  it can only be convex on ubode
2018-08-23 01:19 <Ubit> bullet will do its crap of using a visual LOD
2018-08-23 01:19 <Ubit> but seen no issues on that box :(
2018-08-23 01:21 <Ubit> why does it have that invisible base? looks like a waste of tris
2018-08-23 01:32 <Draven_Natae> shadow
2018-08-23 01:32 <Draven_Natae> prim
2018-08-23 01:32 <Draven_Natae> OAR files store uploaded assets and inventory, right?
2018-08-23 01:34 <Draven_Natae> er no, I guess that would all be stored in the SQL database, right?
2018-08-23 01:49 <Draven_Natae> exporting my oar and air and sql database, then going to clean install server, see if that helps.
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2018-08-25 03:38 <Draven_Natae> Ubit, I think I had some mysql corruption or something
2018-08-25 03:39 <Draven_Natae> did a complete wipe and reload of OS
2018-08-25 03:39 <Draven_Natae> and restored my oars/iars and it fixed
2018-08-26 01:26 <Ubit> something odd on this smoke texture
2018-09-12 11:36 <Melanie_T> whois osjenkins
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2018-09-12 12:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #5897 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-09-12 12:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5897: SUCCESS in 8 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5897/
2018-09-12 12:10 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Patching in the Smoke for Mantis 8242
2018-09-12 12:10 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove a comment
2018-09-12 12:10 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix smoke asset filename
2018-09-12 12:10 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8273 make change on crossings coerent
2018-09-12 12:10 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: don't shutdown robust twice
2018-09-12 12:10 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: avoid potencial null refs
2018-09-12 12:10 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Adjusted Smoke texture
2018-09-12 12:10 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: new try on smoke texture
2018-09-12 12:10 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add the Smoke texture to Opensim Library
2018-09-12 12:10 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Adding check permission CanIssueEstateCommand for osRegionNotice and new function osRegionNotice(string agentID, string msg)
2018-09-12 12:10 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: minor changes to last patch
2018-09-12 12:10 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: avoid using new c# sintaxe that will fail on older compilers
2018-09-12 12:10 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Add YEngine support for ScriptDelayFactor
2018-09-12 12:10 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: a few changes to ScriptSleep() functions
2018-09-12 12:10 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix script secure llhttlrequest
2018-09-12 12:10 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Yengine cast issue
2018-09-12 12:10 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: oooops
2018-09-12 12:11 <Ubit> ohh its backk
2018-09-12 12:22 <Melanie_T> and so is this one
2018-09-12 12:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #5898 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-09-12 12:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5898: SUCCESS in 6 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5898/
2018-09-12 12:29 <osjenkins> melanie: Squelch "connection reset by peer" exceptions
2018-09-12 12:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #5899 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-09-12 12:50 <Ubit> lets see if jenkins still hates me
2018-09-12 12:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5899: SUCCESS in 6 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5899/
2018-09-12 12:56 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix a error message
2018-09-12 12:56 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: some cleanup
2018-09-13 11:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #5900 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-09-13 11:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5900: SUCCESS in 8 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5900/
2018-09-13 11:41 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: pesty warning
2018-09-13 11:41 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix osDie harakiri for Yengine
2018-09-13 11:42 <Melanie_T> Ubit: wouldn't your llDie fix break XEngine? I don't see a corresponding change in XEngine to no longer need the SelfDeleteException
2018-09-13 12:10 <Ubit> no, i didn't touch llDie
2018-09-13 12:11 <Ubit> just made OSSL also call it
2018-09-13 12:11 <Ubit> because Yengine does override llDie, so this way it does see it
2018-09-13 12:12 <Ubit> it does not do that SelfDeleteException
2018-09-13 12:12 <Ubit> err and it needed for X
2018-09-13 12:22 <Ubit> well it does use another exception internally 
2018-09-13 12:22 <Ubit> yeack don't want to touch that can of worms
2018-09-14 08:54 <Tampa> So YEngine does not provide stats for "top scripts", why?
2018-09-14 09:12 <BillBlight> I'm looking at them right now?
2018-09-14 09:12 <BillBlight> but they will make you loose your mind
2018-09-14 09:13 <BillBlight> as they don't ever seem to reset and are cumulitive 
2018-09-14 09:13 <BillBlight> so when you see a 300000000 script time makes you go ... Hmmmmmmmm
2018-09-14 09:13 <BillBlight> show stats from the console seems to be more accurate
2018-09-14 09:14 <Tampa> Just tried to debug a simulator hogging 120% cpu and the top scripts list was empty, bit hard to figure out which script is broken when there are 2000 of them
2018-09-14 09:15 <BillBlight> it takes a while to build
2018-09-14 09:15 <BillBlight> most likely you have a runaway script can find it from the console commands
2018-09-14 09:16 <Tampa> Sure, but top scripts should have something too, just makes it a bit easier to deal with rather than having to go through console...
2018-09-14 09:16 <BillBlight> yeng ls [-help ...]
2018-09-14 09:16 <BillBlight> Don't know what to tell you as I am looking at top scripts on a yeng region
2018-09-14 09:17 <Tampa> I am not getting anything in that window
2018-09-14 09:18 <BillBlight> https://www.dropbox.com/s/c8fizqta0n5jns8/topscripts.png?dl=0
2018-09-14 09:20 <Tampa> Hm..
2018-09-14 09:20 <Tampa> Something is kaput then elsewhere
2018-09-14 09:20 <BillBlight> runaway scripts in Yengine are a pain , as they will kill your CPU, but it is pretty hard to make one runaway
2018-09-14 09:21 <BillBlight> as real runaways die
2018-09-14 09:21 <BillBlight> I had one that killed the CPU because someone put a llResetScript(); in the state entry and it was just doing what it was told 
2018-09-14 09:22 <BillBlight> being more careful checking scripted objects from the HG now
2018-09-14 09:24 <BillBlight> Ok I'm going back to bed, having a hard time sleeping tonight, uggg ... Nothing new but damn  ....
2018-09-14 09:24 <Tampa> I'll keep poking maybe I can break some more lol
2018-09-14 15:30 <mchase> The runaway script thing... thats why I feel like translating to CIL and running them native is the wrong approach. In Phlox the interepreter is in control and can manage a runaway script
2018-09-14 15:36 <Ubit> there are no runaway scripts.. language thing
2018-09-14 15:37 <Ubit> "is the wrong approach" also sounds more like just semantics
2018-09-14 15:40 <mchase> There certainly are ways to make a script spin and consume CPU and if the code isn't interuptible then there's a problem.
2018-09-14 15:41 <mchase> Wrong approach is opinion of course.  I'm just saying a sandboxed interepreter is I think a better way to approach extension scripting in OpenSim
2018-09-14 15:41 <Tampa> If you write the script properly it does not run away, but people...
2018-09-14 15:41 <mchase> Yes there will always be "people". :)
2018-09-14 15:42 <Ubit> sure opinions are fine.. and bugs happen 
2018-09-14 15:42 <Ubit> but don't think Bill was meaning a trully runaway script as off control
2018-09-14 15:44 <Melanie_T> if you were to look at YE you would see that it's compiler injects calls. that means scripts run as coroutines and can't be "out of control" or do bad things
2018-09-14 15:44 <Melanie_T> also, the on-disk format isn't CIL. it's actually an AST
2018-09-14 15:45 <mchase> Nods doing a yield at injected points is a good way to handle it
2018-09-14 15:45 <Melanie_T> every potential yield point is injected with a call to CheckRun()
2018-09-14 15:45 <Melanie_T> if the script has quantum left, it returns
2018-09-14 15:46 <Tampa> *looks at simulator* them 120% cpu usage wanna have a word with you lol
2018-09-14 15:46 <Melanie_T> if not, it returns to another script, in coroutine fashion
2018-09-14 15:46 <mchase> I'm still using XEngine on my grid but I do want to look closer. I appreciate the work on an alternative approach
2018-09-14 15:46 <Melanie_T> yield points are:
2018-09-14 15:46 <Melanie_T> every LSL function
2018-09-14 15:46 <Ubit> aurora/whitecore do use just .net yield method
2018-09-14 15:46 <Melanie_T> the top of every loop or if, basically everywhere it has a {
2018-09-14 15:47 <Melanie_T> the top of every function, top of every event
2018-09-14 15:47 <Ubit> y engine does timeslicing deeper in code
2018-09-14 15:47 <Melanie_T> and after an event returns
2018-09-14 15:47 <Melanie_T> the LSL code is emitted as CIL, but in a very straightforward fashion
2018-09-14 15:48 <Melanie_T> in fact every LSL element has a directly equivalient CIL snippet
2018-09-14 15:48 <Tampa> console really needs piping screen copy mode is annoying
2018-09-14 15:48 <Ubit> so its runaway issues should actually be similar to phlox method.. 
2018-09-14 15:48 <Melanie_T> the most complex bit is probably the injection of the dynamically added methods (API that is loaded via region module)
2018-09-14 15:48 <Ubit> ie runaways in external called code
2018-09-14 15:48 <Melanie_T> because there the parameter types are not known at the time the simulator is compiled
2018-09-14 15:48 <Melanie_T> so it does some runtime trickery
2018-09-14 15:49 <Ubit> yeap like apis
2018-09-14 15:49 <Melanie_T> Tampa: use -console=simple to get plain output that can be piped
2018-09-14 15:49 <Melanie_T> or plain, i don't remember
2018-09-14 15:50 <Melanie_T> one of the consoles we have is basically just stdin/stdout
2018-09-14 15:51 <Tampa> yeah I opened the screen log now that works too
2018-09-14 15:51 <Ubit> hmm and y as no throttling currently
2018-09-14 15:51 <Melanie_T> throttling of what?
2018-09-14 15:51 <Ubit> so if you decide to do heavy long math on scripts it will use the cpu :)
2018-09-14 15:51 <Melanie_T> you can set the LSL delays to 1.0
2018-09-14 15:52 <Melanie_T> there is one thread for all scripts
2018-09-14 15:52 <Melanie_T> it timeslices them
2018-09-14 15:52 <Melanie_T> so no script gets more than it's quantum
2018-09-14 15:52 <Ubit> it only makes sure all scripts get access to cpu
2018-09-14 15:52 <Tampa> If I ever find the script causing this I'll test what specifically is making it go haywire and report back
2018-09-14 15:52 <Melanie_T> that one thread can of course take up one core
2018-09-14 15:53 <Ubit> actually its 2 cores on current version if i remember :)
2018-09-14 15:53 <Tampa> Yes over 100% cpu is possible
2018-09-14 15:53 <Ubit> ( os also will not allow full use of cores )
2018-09-14 15:53 <Ubit> ( OS == op system )
2018-09-14 15:54 <Ubit> yeap on linxu you can read more than 100% cpu
2018-09-14 15:55 <Ubit> but long running events do get less cpu relative to short ones
2018-09-14 15:55 <Ubit> well things to tune up/improve
2018-09-14 16:38 <BillBlight> Correct I did not mean a runaway as it just ran away on it's own, it was written badly , almost to the point it was supposed to runaway ..
2018-09-14 16:45 <BillBlight> well on linux TOP per process shows in single core calcs so it it is using 30% each of 4 cores it will show 120%  , the number at the top of 'top' shows overall cpu usage
2018-09-14 16:48 <Ubit> script events are suposed to be short..  but on Y they can be long now..  but yeap you asked you will get cpu usage :p
2018-09-14 16:49 <Ubit> or ill get ppl like kayaker (?)  crying that scripts are slow :)
2018-09-14 16:51 <Ubit> hmm we can slow them more in future i guess
2018-09-14 16:52 <Ubit> even throttle the entire engine exec. hmm i guess
2018-09-14 16:53 <Ubit> hmm ms said nothing.. but gc under 4.7.2 seems a bit better then under 4.7.1
2018-09-14 16:53 <Ubit> well they told about allocation improvements on large large heap lol
2018-09-14 16:53 <Ubit> not release improvements
2018-09-14 16:54 <Ubit> but my iddle region is now using Physical 149 MB
2018-09-14 16:54 <BillBlight> But again, an well written scripts there is not an issue, so I'll keep the speed thank you very much ... LOL
2018-09-14 16:54 <Ubit> that is better than what i did got in 32bits
2018-09-14 16:55 <Ubit> ( 149MB in 64bits )
2018-09-14 16:55 <Ubit> well its Y other testes where on X
2018-09-14 20:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #5901 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-09-14 21:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5901: SUCCESS in 8 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5901/
2018-09-14 21:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: some teleport issues..
2018-09-14 23:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #5902 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-09-14 23:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5902: SUCCESS in 6 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5902/
2018-09-14 23:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: stop sending agent update again when destiny refused the agent
2018-09-15 00:31 <mchase> Really it would be good to get things into dotnet core.  The performance is way better vs. Mono and its where all the new development is happening
2018-09-15 00:38 <mchase> That was in response to the mono and .NET improvements comment earlier
2018-09-15 20:52 <mchase> So how stable is Y-Engine?  Is anyone running it as their main script engine?  Do things like state transfer across TP's and crossings work, etc.
2018-09-15 21:28 <BillBlight> state transfers work if going Y to Y
2018-09-15 21:28 <BillBlight> Not using it as the main yet but do have it on a cluster of vars
2018-09-15 22:02 <mchase> Cool TY Bill.  I may set it up on a test region
2018-09-15 22:09 <Ubit> yeap Y Y should work.. prob is XY YX 
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2018-09-16 12:39 <Tampa> Where is the code for loading the regions.ini (name,uuid etc)?
2018-09-16 12:52 <paela> hi
2018-09-16 14:25 <Melanie_T> Tampa: in RegionloaderFilesystem
2018-09-16 14:25 <Melanie_T> thee is also RegionloaderWebserver IIRC unless that has since been combined
2018-09-16 14:26 <Melanie_T> the regionloader is an application plugin
2018-09-16 15:08 <Tampa> Ah okay and RegionInfo then parses that correct? public string RegionName has no additional checks it seems, so that seems a bit lackluster
2018-09-16 15:08 <Tampa> If that's where that is ultimately handled would it not make sense to have specialchars and other checks in there to prevent broken region names?
2018-09-16 15:16 <Melanie_T> why would you consider a name containing utf chars "broken"?
2018-09-16 15:17 <Tampa> If I put periods in a regionname it cannot be searched
2018-09-16 15:17 <Melanie_T> there isn't any intrinsic problemw ith searching a region name with periods
2018-09-16 15:18 <Melanie_T> the effect is caused by an attempt to parse a main man region name as a HG url
2018-09-16 15:18 <Melanie_T> code that should be revisited
2018-09-16 15:18 <Melanie_T> apart from that, a region not being searchable isn't a broken name, it's a broken search
2018-09-16 15:19 <Melanie_T> "main map"
2018-09-16 15:19 <Melanie_T> the solution is to allow international chars to be searched, not to limti names to ASCII
2018-09-16 15:24 <Tampa> Well ideally yes, you would first attempt to strictly parse as regionname before assuming it may be a hg url, but there is also an issue on other ends as handling such names in other parts of the code, for the database and external applications accessing it can be problematic
2018-09-16 15:24 <Tampa> I had to adjust some php code because of the periods, escaping the strings before handing them to the db
2018-09-16 15:25 <Tampa> I don't actually know how well that is handled in OpenSim itself, but I suspect there has not been a review of this done so who knows what the use of specialchars could do.. just saying, for the time being until the search and other parts are reviewed and fixed this at least stops anyone from breaking something
2018-09-16 15:27 <Melanie_T> you should not do your own query formatting
2018-09-16 15:27 <Melanie_T> in php, use PDO and bound parameters
2018-09-16 15:27 <Melanie_T> it will all be escaped and unescaped properly
2018-09-16 15:28 <Melanie_T> building sql string with data received from the internet is an invitation for sql injection
2018-09-16 15:29 <Tampa> Unfortunately a lot of addons, landtool, search etc are built on old mysql, not even mysqli. People still use these unfortunately.
2018-09-16 15:29 <Tampa> I rewrote most of that stuff for my use, but that does not keep other people from using the old stuff
2018-09-16 15:52 <Plugh> Tampa: I updated the addon search and profile modules back in April to use PDO calls.
2018-09-16 15:56 <Plugh> Many of the other helper PHP files come from the old wiredux project, AFAIK. That project is out of date and isn't maintained.
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2018-09-17 00:44 <Draven_Natae> Hey guys, there's a bit of an issue with the smooth tool on the terrain editor. It's not really in line strength/power wise with the other tools. where a smooth tool will do a huge change even with a little strength compared to raise/lower
2018-09-17 01:01 <Draven_Natae> its almost list the strength is linked to the size slider somehow
2018-09-17 01:01 <Draven_Natae> *it's almost like the 
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2018-09-17 02:35 <Draven_Natae> alright, finally got my IRC bouncer setup.
2018-09-17 14:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #5903 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-09-17 14:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5903: SUCCESS in 8 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5903/
2018-09-17 14:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8372: replace XMLRPC.dll with utf8 fix
2018-09-17 14:45 <Tampa> Really...
2018-09-17 14:45 <Tampa> This could fix my issue from last week
2018-09-17 14:48 <Ubit> yeap possible it will
2018-09-17 14:48 <Tampa> Time for more testing :D
2018-09-18 15:54 <djphil> Verification would be appreciated http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8139 :) ty
2018-09-18 17:47 <BillBlight> 15 minute warning , somebody wake up Ubit ..
2018-09-18 17:47 <Ubit> hmm errr what ?
2018-09-18 17:48 <Ubit> gezz again??
2018-09-18 17:50 <BillBlight> Funny how quick 7 days go by ...   
2018-09-19 06:04 <djphil> @danbanner: hi Dan :) Maybeee http://opensimulator.org/wiki/XEngine and http://opensimulator.org/wiki/YEngine  could be a good place to inform opensim users about changes in opensim.ini for OSSL
2018-09-19 06:04 <djphil> (i just read your threat on Osgrid forum)
2018-09-19 06:06 <djphil> and this http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsslEnable.ini
2018-09-19 06:07 <djphil> All this is obsolete I guess ...
2018-09-19 20:37 <mchase> Anyone experiencing problems with the latest dev release resolving landmarks?  Its intermittent.  Seems like some of the LM's "rot" (which I realize makes no sense).   If a LM will cause issues the Info field generally shows "Loading.."  On a successful teleport the HG Entity Transfer Module gets called.  A failed case never calls into that.  Its probably me and I've misconfigured something but its bothersome that its intermittent.
2018-09-19 20:37 <mchase> Any suggestions?
2018-09-19 21:28 <mchase> Ok more info.  The asset data is missing for the failed landmarks. I suspect this is the long description causing the asset save to fsassets to fail
2018-09-19 21:33 <Tampa> Probably running out of characters on the db side of things, not much you can really do I suspect. From what I can see fsassets has a rather short line for desc and name, sras has more space for characters
2018-09-19 21:52 <mchase> Yeah the error is a SQL exception on the save to the fsassets table.  Seems to ALWAYS happen with landmarks.  It also seems everyone has worked around this in one way or another rather than fixing the actual code which consistently fails.
2018-09-19 21:54 <BillBlight> Simply making the fields longer is an easy work around, personally I'd rather it fail than end up with truncated info if the field is too long
2018-09-19 21:55 <BillBlight> but it should tell you it failed
2018-09-19 21:55 <mchase> Ok but this is failing consistently.  If the best fix is a longer description field shouldn't a change get pushed for that?
2018-09-19 21:56 <BillBlight> never failed for me "consistently" only on a grid/region combo that had a really long name
2018-09-19 21:56 <mchase> Seems like the past debate centered around the description field not being used really by any code. Ok I get that but the current code is corrupting assets.
2018-09-19 21:57 <BillBlight> people used to be told to keep their region names short and to the point but now, "This is my home server region and the name is really long"
2018-09-19 21:57 <mchase> Nods, understood.  And yes ideally if there is a limit it should be enforced *AND* reported
2018-09-19 21:59 <BillBlight> it has been reported, 2 years ago , http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8065
2018-09-19 21:59 <mchase> Yeah thats where I got the "debate" from
2018-09-19 22:01 <BillBlight> I made the change in my code, to the database schema, and it has not blown up on me, I do agree this should be addressed, but seems like it is not going to be.
2018-09-19 22:01 <mchase> What did you choose for a workable size?
2018-09-19 22:01 <BillBlight> I added 32 chars
2018-09-19 22:02 <mchase> I'll probably do that and then look at a code fix to follow
2018-09-19 22:02 <mchase> Ok cool. TY
2018-09-19 22:03 <BillBlight> I'm not sure what code fix is going to work, as the viewer would have to be prepared to recieve the fail message
2018-09-19 22:03 <BillBlight> but I agree the code should just fail to save rather than truncating, but this is not an issue on other assets 
2018-09-19 22:04 <BillBlight> who cares if the description of your new shoes is not right
2018-09-19 22:04 <mchase> Well and if I understand right the description isn't used anywhere.  It's just for debugging. SO you can find the asset via a search if needed.
2018-09-19 22:09 <BillBlight> seem in FS at least the description field is limited to around 110 chars anyway
2018-09-19 22:09 <BillBlight> odd number
2018-09-19 22:10 <mchase> Interesting. Yeah so it probably should be at least that big
2018-09-19 22:20 <mchase> Ok workaround in place. I'll see if that does it and push a change.  It's a varchar anyway so its only going to use the space it needs.  I made mine VARChAR(128)
2018-09-19 22:21 <BillBlight> I increased the name and desc fields, just to be sure ... LOL
2018-09-19 22:32 <mchase> :-)
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2018-09-21 18:00 <jsync> Hello all. I'm looking at LSL_Constants.cs because I want to implement features for osTakeControls(CONTROL_KEYSTROKE_(string));, & I'm curious if anybody has any helpful input.
2018-09-21 18:02 <jsync> I want to use the Number keys on the Number pad for action control button features. I'd like to actually be able to use other buttons on the keyboard as well for programmed features.
2018-09-21 18:04 <jsync> We simply have CONTROL_L_BUTTON. That's like an 8bit Nintendo NES controller without the Select, Start, & B buttons. That's rudimentary at most, you guys.
2018-09-21 18:06 <jsync> To simply include CONTROL_NUM1, CONTROL_NUM2, etc to CONTROL_NUM0 would be really an important feature, you guys.
2018-09-21 18:07 <jsync> To include CONTROL_SHIFT would be a good thing to include as well.
2018-09-21 18:07 <jsync> Then osTakeControls() would be cooler than any game platform could offer.
2018-09-21 18:11 <jsync> If as well there was a CONTROL_LSHIFT, CONTROL_RSHIFT, CONTROL_LCTRL, CONTROL_RCTRL, CONTROL_LALT, then osTakeControls() would have more buttons than any game platform for sure. I'd think it would be important to differentiate between LSHIFT, & RSHIFT, etc.
2018-09-21 18:43 <jsync> If as well was implemented CONTROL_F1 to CONTROL_F12, then there's be more potential than people could figure to use I would think.
2018-09-21 18:46 <jsync> CONTROL_RSHIFT & CONTROL_DOWN could make your super-hero perform a cool Flex animation. ^.^
2018-09-21 19:18 <jsync> So, I'm curious (if anybody is listening) if the public const int CONTROL_*FLAGS actually are arbitrary numbers, or if those integers actually are identified somewhere else discreetly. I just thought somebody might have helpful advice for implementing these CONTROL_*FLAGS.
2018-09-21 19:41 <jsync> I'm curious if there are FLAGS used for OSSL functions, or if I would alter the LSL_Constants.cs file.
2018-09-21 20:00 <paela> Osgrid run in very nice servers in the new opensim code in right config and load are so poor that need to be fixed thanks you !
2018-09-21 20:08 <jsync> I found the CM_Constants.cs file, so I created a OSVL_Constants.cs file, a OSVLSL_Api.cs file, a IOSVLSL_Api.cs file, & a OSVLSL_Stub.cs file, placed comparably with the files for OSSL. Conceptually, to implement the new Constants seems simple to use Number Pad buttons for control buttons. I'm just curious why this hasn't been implemented already.
2018-09-21 20:12 <mchase> I dont really think most applications of OpenSim require that level of direct keyboard/mouse control.  Its an interesting model though.  The open question would be what the viewer passes to the server for inspection.
2018-09-21 20:21 <jsync> Well, the additional button CONTROL_* flags could be utilized for a number of things, including things as simple as "0" cycles your AO to the Next Stand.
2018-09-21 20:21 <jsync> A single button is less than offered of the 8bit Nintendo NES Game Console of the 1980s.
2018-09-21 20:22 <jsync> I realized that I need to include a ScenePresence_OSVL.cs file as well.
2018-09-21 20:23 <jsync> I think the feature would be easy to implement for an osTakeControls() function & truly useful!!
2018-09-21 20:43 <jsync> People DID get innovative with a single action button, that's true. Though additional buttons could be programmed for easy implementation. For an example, the CONTROL_F1 button could be programmed for simulated depression using a Game Controller plugged into the viewer. All sorts of cool things could be programmed with those CONTROL_NUM# & CONTROL_F# options.
2018-09-21 21:53 <jsync> Somebody suggested a work around using Gestures & I realized that the Pad_Button# Gestures don't work. I tested with the Number not via the pad & that part works in OpenSim.
2018-09-21 22:46 <Bill_Blight> jsync as I said in the other channel, the problem is not entirely with the core code, yes it would need to be adjusted for new keys, but also the viewer would have to be aware that those keys are controlled via a script.  So chicken and egg situation ... Which comes first ..
2018-09-22 01:26 <jsync> Yeah, I'm just saying, 5 files that I made in a single hour that programmed the osvlTakeControls() function in the Grid software. I spent 2 1/2 hours making gestures & a script that listens to the chat commands so that I could implement a combat HUD & sell it in SL. It's a worthwhile feature.
2018-09-22 01:27 <jsync> It should be included in the osFunctions() was my (hopefully) helpful suggestion. :)
2018-09-22 01:30 <jsync> I as well made this feature object for a scripting help for SL that includes the gestures & listen script. https://imagebin.ca/v/4GWgulqjMEqf
2018-09-22 01:31 <jsync> I'm not trying to bust peoples' chops, not actually, though I think it's an important feature.
2018-09-22 01:40 <jsync> We're working on this "awesome" graphic platform & "please, please, please" I should say to the SL gurus?! It's embarassing! All the time spent really is totally irreplacable, & I finally get to making a cool AO/Combat HUD combo & I realize we're all working with a single CONTROL_LBUTTON "feature". I figured to make the suggestion to you guys. I actually thought about it quite a lot before I brought it up to the SL crowd. *shrugs*
2018-09-22 01:45 <jsync> There should be a stripped down viewer that utilizes modules & add-ons of redundant things that should be parsed out. That would make it easier to replace things & implement new things. There could even be programming groups to help all those gurus with those daunting tasks, & that's when people seem to get quiet. *shrugs*
2018-09-22 01:56 <jsync> Anyway, "If I don't make any money, nobody makes any money", & there's a truth to that. I respect the OpenSim people as much as I can. If the gurus get serious about making things happen, I guess I'll notice. (You guys need help is the point. That's a bunch of work.)
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2018-09-22 03:46 <mchase> Wow how did making money come into this.  If the viewer doesnt send the key codes its hard to support them on the server
2018-09-22 03:57 <Bill_Blight> the other thing is Opensimulator as a project has nothing to do with making money, if you want to make changes to it to make money then that is why it is opensource, such as Kitely , and other commercial grids, I would never expect core to make changes just so someone else could make money ..  Sounds like what you want to do might be better suited for somethign like Hifidelity  ..
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2018-09-23 22:39 <Tampa> To be fair there is not a mutual exclusivity, quality of life improvements or fixes both benefit profit and non-profit applications of OpenSim and a potential commercial application should never hold back a piece of non-profit opensource software, that would be royally against the nature of opensource or FOSS
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2018-09-24 05:09 <BillBlight> That is correct Tampa, but pushing for a change just for a particualr application, so a person can make money is unfair to the developers 
2018-09-25 12:47 <mchase> I'd like to confirm something as true before I spend a ton of time to implement it.  The GRid Services are stateless.. Correct?   I could for instance stand up a proxy and load balance grid services across 2 servers with assets clustered and a clustered database and that should work.  Given some of the isses at grids in the past I'm just curious how others handle real HA/redundant services and how far the current
2018-09-25 12:47 <mchase>  architecture is (if at all) in supporting that?
2018-09-25 14:57 <Melanie__> mchase: that is correct and it is by design and won't change
2018-09-25 14:57 <Melanie__> mchase: Avination had 2 of each
2018-09-25 14:58 <Melanie__> mchase: they are also severable, you don't need to run a single big Robust, you can run grid server, asset servr, user server, inventory server, etc, separately
2018-09-25 14:58 <Melanie__> mchase: but it isn't trivial to separate the gateway from the user agent service
2018-09-25 14:59 <Melanie__> mchase: so those two are best run in the same process
2018-09-25 15:00 <Melanie__> in another grid, i used kubernetes to orchestrate grid servers across a three server core backed by a galera database
2018-09-25 15:07 <mchase> Interesting.  Especially the k8s config. Thanks for the feedback!
2018-09-25 17:28 <Melanie__> the avination system was based on pacemaker/corosync
2018-09-25 17:29 <Melanie__> earlier systems i used were heartbeat and resman
2018-09-25 17:59 <BillBlight> Somebody wake up Plugh and remind him meeting time ...
2018-09-25 18:29 <Plugh> Bill, No one can wake me up. I wasn't sleeping. :)
2018-09-25 18:48 <Melanie__> were you dead then?
2018-09-25 19:06 <Plugh> No, just working on ini files for a grid.
2018-09-25 19:11 <mchase> I'd probably be looking at Gluster for clustering assets.  Its way early for what I have in mind but I wanted to be aware of restrictions/capabilities the platform has. Being able to break things into stateless services and scale them that way is critical so its good thats an option
2018-09-25 19:24 <Melanie_T> mchase: gluster was an abysmal failure for assets
2018-09-25 19:24 <Melanie_T> tried it
2018-09-25 19:24 <Melanie_T> lost about 1000 assets over that
2018-09-25 19:46 <mchase> Well alrighty then.  Thats good to know :-)
2018-09-25 20:43 <Melanie_T> mchase: what holds up well enough is failover with drbd
2018-09-25 20:43 <Melanie_T> but bring in load balancing with GFS2 and things go downhill
2018-09-25 20:44 <Melanie_T> assets can be split by UUID - the avination commit may or may not have included our system to do so
2018-09-26 21:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #5904 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-09-26 21:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5904: SUCCESS in 8 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5904/
2018-09-26 21:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make sure Culture is right on some spots
2018-09-27 18:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #5905 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-09-27 18:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5905: SUCCESS in 8 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5905/
2018-09-27 18:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: more on culture issues
2018-09-27 19:02 <Plugh> Are there any known issues with teleports in git master?
2018-09-27 19:06 <BillBlight> maybe not now .. shortly before only maybe if not running en-US I believe ..
2018-09-27 19:07 <BillBlight> (personally seen no TP issues)
2018-09-27 19:09 <Plugh> ok. I'm having some trouble with TPs between some regions in a grid running mater.
2018-09-27 19:10 <Plugh> master
2018-09-27 19:11 <BillBlight> attached regions? or all on a server?
2018-09-27 19:11 <BillBlight> all running same version?
2018-09-27 19:11 <Plugh> all on a server
2018-09-27 19:12 <BillBlight> 
ACTION remembers that trouble finds Plugh, like a homing missile

2018-09-27 19:12 <Plugh> It does indeed. :)
2018-09-27 19:12 <Plugh> Am I wearing a red shirt?  ;)
2018-09-27 19:12 <BillBlight> HAHAHA
2018-09-27 19:15 <paela> some time search break good tp for some users without search in place no problem tp i do not know why 
2018-09-27 19:20 <Plugh> Not so random OT thought:  What the ...? Someone is selling a 4TB WB HD for $85??
2018-09-27 19:21 <Plugh> I should grab one at that price. I just wonder what might be wrong with it. Too bad its just a WD Blue or I'd grab three.
2018-09-27 19:21 <Plugh> 30 day warranty. Must be a refurb
2018-09-27 19:23 <BillBlight> segate barracuda for 98
2018-09-27 19:24 <BillBlight> segate desktop 4tb for 44
2018-09-27 19:24 <BillBlight> ugg
2018-09-27 19:24 <BillBlight> 73
2018-09-27 19:24 <BillBlight> how did I type 73 into 44
2018-09-27 19:24 <BillBlight> wtf
2018-09-27 19:27 <Plugh> BillBlight: US$ prices? Mine was Cdn.
2018-09-27 19:27 <Plugh> 4TB for $44? What a deal! :D
2018-09-27 19:38 <paela> 4 tb for 44 :o ??
2018-09-27 19:39 <BillBlight> evidently I can't type today
2018-09-27 19:40 <BillBlight> Plugh have you been near my keyboard? It seems to be broken?  .... LOL
2018-09-27 19:40 <Plugh> It wasn't me. Perhaps it was my cat. :)
2018-09-27 23:03 <mchase> Any thoughts on why this might be the case?
2018-09-27 23:04 <mchase> Please note that if you are using Yengine it will break the theme park completely. Yengine isn't compatible with my theme park.
2018-09-27 23:04 <mchase> Why? What breaks?  Just curious what causes that kind of incompatibility with YEngine for scripting?
2018-09-27 23:04 <mchase> 34m
2018-09-27 23:04 <mchase> Apollo Smile (Cuteulala Artis)'s profile photo
2018-09-27 23:04 <mchase> Apollo Smile (Cuteulala Artis)
2018-09-27 23:04 <mchase> +Mike Dickson  All listener scripts and sensors ceases to work for unknown reasons. Usually dealing with channels and listen
2018-09-27 23:04 <mchase> Re: a comment on content not working with YEngine
2018-09-27 23:05 <Ubit> hmm ?
2018-09-27 23:06 <Ubit> well cute math is.. creative, for example :)
2018-09-27 23:06 <Ubit> never seen so much NaNs on lsl :)
2018-09-27 23:13 <BillBlight> yeah I was looking at it for someone who purchased it last night, and well, there is a lot of , WTF moments in the scripts
2018-09-27 23:14 <BillBlight> great stuff but the scripting is "creative" to be nice about it
2018-09-28 00:05 <mchase> That would explain alot.  Dahlia asked if there was switching between engines. Maybe old stuff in the ScriptCache
2018-09-28 00:09 <Ubit> caches are independent
2018-09-28 00:15 <Ubit> ( we where should be able to run both at same time, but better not at this point, also the one set as default will get most the scripts since they don't have the selector on first line )
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2018-09-29 16:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #5906 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-09-29 16:47 <Ubit> go on jenkins .. you can do it..
2018-09-29 16:49 <Ubit> there is a guinea pig with a nice yellpw bic helmet waiting to test 
2018-09-29 16:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5906: SUCCESS in 8 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5906/
2018-09-29 16:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add a few more gc collect in some spots
2018-09-29 16:51 <Ubit> thanks jenkins
2018-09-29 17:00 <Ubit> coffe
2018-09-29 20:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #5907 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-09-29 20:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5907: SUCCESS in 8 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5907/
2018-09-29 20:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: **CONFIRMED**AGAIN** , Add new function, osSetOwnerSpeed(float speed), threat level moderate
2018-09-29 20:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: minor changes
2018-09-30 04:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #5908 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-09-30 04:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5908: SUCCESS in 8 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5908/
2018-09-30 04:21 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Implementation-and-design-of-ClientOnParcelGodMark
2018-09-30 04:21 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  a few changes to last patch
2018-09-30 04:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #5909 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-09-30 04:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5909: SUCCESS in 6 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5909/
2018-09-30 04:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missed new c# version only code
2018-09-30 16:34 <Bill_Blight> looks like opensimulator.org is down again ..
2018-09-30 17:04 <Ubit> seems ok
2018-09-30 17:04 <Ubit> at least now
2018-09-30 17:05 <Bill_Blight> yeah must have just been a hiccup
2018-10-01 01:18 <djphil> Bill_Blight : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsSetOwnerSpeed :)
2018-10-01 01:23 <Ubit> wait DJ...  BIll did overdo on that and now it tring to get the avatar out of a bunch of trees
2018-10-01 01:24 <djphil> Heh, speed is limited to 4 :p
2018-10-01 01:24 <djphil> And ini settings is lozed along the way :p
2018-10-01 01:25 <djphil> But wiki is uptodate! :p
2018-10-01 01:25 <djphil> nanana
2018-10-01 01:28 <Ubit> ty :)
2018-10-01 01:28 <djphil> u2 :)
2018-10-01 03:14 <AutumnLarue> hello, is anyone on that can help me troubleshoot my hypergrid setup?
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2018-10-02 18:01 <Bill_Blight> Meeting Time
2018-10-03 08:00 <AutumnLarue> does rlv scripts have to be enabled in an ini on OS 0.9.1?
2018-10-03 16:28 <Ubit> don't thing we even have a option for those.. they are viewer side mainly
2018-10-03 20:17 <AutumnLarue> i'm hoping someone can help me.  I'm having an issue with RLV I have tried this on 0.9.1 0.9.0 and 8.2.1.  When on my 
2018-10-03 20:17 <AutumnLarue>                      grid or omy OSgrid sim it doesn't work but i can go to other sims on OSGrid and other sims on the Hypergrid and works 
2018-10-03 20:17 <AutumnLarue>                      perfect.  It doesn't work on all sims but most i've gone to it does.  the viewer is enabled, is there something i'm 
2018-10-03 20:17 <AutumnLarue>                      missing in an ini or somewhere?
2018-10-03 20:18 <Ubit> heimap.. oh well
2018-10-03 20:18 <Bill_Blight> There are no RLV settings in the opensim inis
2018-10-03 20:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #5910 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-10-03 20:20 <Ubit> yeap i alreade said that.. at least none i can remember even having a side effect on rlv
2018-10-03 20:20 <Ubit> but well i don't use rlv :)
2018-10-03 20:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5910: SUCCESS in 8 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5910/
2018-10-03 20:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8384: try to fix bullet heimap managed memory sharing with unmanaged lib
2018-10-06 11:39 <djphil> Hi, anyone know if the JsonStore (Module) can be called from outside (Web Server / Php ajaxs etc ...) ?
2018-10-06 20:13 <mchase> So it appears that an Estate manager can do a take/copy of other residents objects.  Did I miss a config setting?  Or is that actually intentional and if so whats the rationale behind allowing that?
2018-10-06 20:14 <mchase> Sorry not estate manager. Estate owner only
2018-10-06 21:25 <Bill_Blight> do you have estate owner is GOD set
2018-10-06 21:31 <mchase> i didnt think so. Looks
2018-10-06 21:31 <Bill_Blight> or umm region owner
2018-10-06 21:31 <Bill_Blight> region owner = estate owner
2018-10-06 21:32 <mchase> yep. Do you know the name of the setting off hand? Looks for it
2018-10-06 21:33 <Bill_Blight>  ; region_owner_is_god = true
2018-10-06 21:33 <Bill_Blight> seems true is the default
2018-10-06 21:33 <mchase> sighs yes just found that too
2018-10-06 21:33 <mchase> And I wasnt overriding it
2018-10-06 21:33 <mchase> Probably shouldn't be default :)
2018-10-06 21:34 <Bill_Blight> there was a big stink about that a while back and the concensus was that people wanted it true by default
2018-10-06 21:34 <Bill_Blight> and by while back I mean a few years
2018-10-06 21:34 <mchase> Well its easy enough to change in my configs.  But I really have to question why thats a reasonable default
2018-10-06 21:35 <mchase> Again thanks Bill.  Really glad you're contributing here.  Always a huge help
2018-10-06 21:48 <mchase> Yep thats it. Verified its fixed
2018-10-06 21:59 <Bill_Blight> thanks, seems I spend all my time in the regular channel these days
2018-10-06 22:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #5911 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-10-06 22:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5911: FAILURE in 8 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5911/
2018-10-06 22:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: more use of simpler xml encoder on inventory fetch, plus other cosmetics
2018-10-06 22:59 <Ubit> opos
2018-10-07 00:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #5912 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5910 3 days 4 hr ago)
2018-10-07 00:44 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2018-10-07 00:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5912: FIXED in 6 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5912/
2018-10-07 00:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: try to make inventory fetch tests happy
2018-10-07 00:44 <Ubit> lier.. it is not fixed
2018-10-07 01:10 <Ubit> well ok for now
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2018-10-08 02:38 <mchase> So 2 issues. Both I consider fairly serious.  Having a region owner have god perms by default is just wrong.   And the code that effectively rewrites all the region objects on a shutdown is clearly broken and needs a fix. I'll look at that.  It doesnt seem that hard to handle a dirty flag on link/unlink so theres probably more to it than meets the eye but it should get fixed.
2018-10-08 03:14 <Bill_Blight> as far as the god mode thing goes, remember this was configed for standalones (much to my annoyance) grid owners should know better to fix that since it is just a config setting.
2018-10-08 07:47 <Ubit> god rights are a option now
2018-10-08 07:48 <Ubit> not all objects are rewritten, only the dirty ones
2018-10-08 07:49 <Ubit> of course everyone whats fo be always god on own regions, so ignored options :p
2018-10-08 14:07 <mchase> Ok the standalone argument makes no sense.  If you are building on a standalone its all your stuff anyway. Besides you can just set your account with God priviledges.  Every other use case is shared and almost certainly connected to other stuff.  By making a region owner God (which isn't obvious anywhere in the user info) you essentially break permissions for the grid.  And yeah I should have caught it when I
2018-10-08 14:07 <mchase>  built my configs.  But honestly it never occured to me it would be set that way as a default.  And as anyone running a grid knows there are lots of things to keep track of starting up.  Besides what about all the DreamGrid super easy run your own grid at home things.  We've just made them all easy hackers.  No wonder OpenSim has the rep it does.  Even if it is partially undeserved.
2018-10-08 14:08 <mchase> And Ubit, look at the code. The logic to check dirty flags is commented out.  It writes everything.
2018-10-08 14:10 <Ubit>  if (m_scene.UseBackup && HasGroupChanged)
2018-10-08 14:10 <Ubit> yeah.. if you say so
2018-10-08 14:21 <Ubit> about region owner, if you take that out on grids like osgrid or metro, ppl will just rebel
2018-10-08 14:21 <Ubit> other grids set theie own ini files and should know better
2018-10-08 14:25 <mchase> https://github.com/opensim/opensim/blob/master/OpenSim/Region/Framework/Scenes/SceneObjectPartInventory.cs#L1240
2018-10-08 14:28 <Ubit> so it is object inventory.. and there is a comment
2018-10-08 14:29 <mchase> And... so metro and osgrid means we should eff up perms. Whatever you think is best I'm sure.
2018-10-08 14:30 <mchase> To be honest those 2 cases are ALWAYS cited when I talk to creators about coming to opensim.  But that might not matter to you either
2018-10-08 14:30 <Ubit> if you try to remove region owner as god, those grids will not use your code
2018-10-08 14:30 <Ubit> tey can't even enforce grid gods
2018-10-08 14:30 <mchase> I just said make the default FALSE not true
2018-10-08 14:31 <Ubit> its a option ok
2018-10-08 14:31 <Ubit> just grid operators are the ones that should know how to edit configs
2018-10-08 14:31 <Ubit> and now all do expect full rights otherwise
2018-10-08 14:32 <Ubit> and of course on those cases permissions are very "relative"
2018-10-08 14:33 <mchase> Perms are never "relative" to me.  They should work as advertised.
2018-10-08 14:33 <mchase> If an object is NC it shouldn't be copyable because someone owns a region
2018-10-08 14:33 <Ubit> sure
2018-10-08 14:34 <Ubit> do that and all use own code versions
2018-10-08 14:34 <Ubit> as many already do bc this or that
2018-10-08 14:34 <mchase> Ok yeah I understand.  I'll solve it myself my way.  Most people are maintaining forks anyway already
2018-10-08 14:35 <Ubit> permissions as only can do anything on a "standard" grid
2018-10-08 14:35 <Ubit> as things are..
2018-10-08 14:37 <Ubit> and parcel owner as god
2018-10-08 14:37 <Ubit> well think i did remove that.. but was there also
2018-10-08 16:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #5913 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2018-10-08 16:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5913: SUCCESS in 8 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5913/
2018-10-08 16:40 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: avoid a null ref
2018-10-08 16:40 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change caps get mesh and texture throttle
2018-10-08 16:46 <djphil> 01Hi folk, anyone know if the JsonStore Module can be called from outside ?01
2018-10-08 16:46 <Ubit> not even sure where it is usefull :p
2018-10-08 16:46 <djphil> lol
2018-10-08 16:47 <djphil> And well I would like to try to develop something that would have been ... but I would also like to have the opportunity to see it from the outside with direct access
2018-10-08 16:50 <djphil> I think it would temporarily store more datas ...
2018-10-08 16:53 <djphil> and centralise datas ...
2018-10-08 17:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #5914 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-10-08 18:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5914: SUCCESS in 6 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5914/
2018-10-08 18:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: better have a lock
2018-10-08 18:22 <Bill_Blight> well that should make some people that don't care if they suck all the bandwidth from everyone else happy ..
2018-10-08 19:09 <Plugh> I don't understand the code changes to see how it adds control over, or removes, throttles.
2018-10-08 19:09 <Plugh> It does look a bit like throttles were removed.
2018-10-08 19:30 <Bill_Blight> really?
2018-10-08 19:30 <Bill_Blight> they have become a config option
2018-10-08 19:30 <Bill_Blight> just somoeone forgot to push the changes for the OpensimDefaults.ini
2018-10-08 19:31 <Bill_Blight> tested and confirmed they obey viewer bandwidth limit and don't exceed what is set in the ini
2018-10-08 19:34 <Bill_Blight> +            if (cconfig != null)
2018-10-08 19:34 <Bill_Blight> +            {
2018-10-08 19:34 <Bill_Blight> +                m_capbandwidth = cconfig.GetInt("Cap_AssetThrottle", m_capbandwidth);
2018-10-08 19:34 <Bill_Blight> +                if(m_capbandwidth > 0)
2018-10-08 19:34 <Bill_Blight> +                {
2018-10-08 19:34 <Bill_Blight> +                    m_bandwidth = m_capbandwidth;
2018-10-08 19:34 <Bill_Blight> +                    if(m_bandwidth < 50000)
2018-10-08 19:34 <Bill_Blight> +                        m_bandwidth = 50000;
2018-10-08 19:34 <Bill_Blight> +                }
2018-10-08 19:34 <Bill_Blight> +            }
2018-10-08 19:57 <Plugh> Bill_Blight: ok. That wasn't easy to spot in the large number of lines that changed.
2018-10-09 00:45 <paela> you not have the full god permitive in  region owner mchase
2018-10-09 01:35 <Ubit> Cap_AssetThrottle is optional and does override estimation from llupd bandwith setting
2018-10-09 01:36 <Ubit> ( and subject to changes.. but then all opensim is :) )
2018-10-09 01:54 <djphil> Yeah and the question about jSonStore modules remains relevant too :)
2018-10-09 18:02 <Bill_Blight> Meeting time
2018-10-10 01:42 <Bill_Blight> ohhh lovely netsplit
2018-10-11 04:57 <djphil> Do we have the option to allow cross-origin for opensim http server?
2018-10-11 04:57 <djphil> Like Access-Control-Allow-Origin: *
2018-10-11 04:58 <djphil> i see a patch is transmited @ http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7844
2018-10-11 04:58 <djphil> but i can't get it work :s
2018-10-11 05:15 <djphil> i recieve always this alert https://pastebin.com/ZcyQUDJx
2018-10-11 05:50 <Bill_Blight> the http server has changed a lot in two years, not surprising that patch does not work
2018-10-11 05:50 <Bill_Blight> but something to look at
2018-10-11 05:51 <djphil> ha ok
2018-10-11 05:51 <djphil> ty for info
2018-10-11 05:52 <djphil> i can repport that maybee ...
2018-10-11 05:52 <Bill_Blight> I think they may have changed the standard from "*" to ""
2018-10-11 05:52 <Bill_Blight> but not sure
2018-10-11 05:52 <djphil> that for a request from lsl script to lsl script
2018-10-11 05:53 <djphil> but i mean request from jqury/ajaxs (external script) to lsls (inside)
2018-10-11 05:53 <djphil> jquery*
2018-10-11 05:53 <Bill_Blight> weird, I don't have any issues calling my webserver for responses I use PHP/Python all the time, maybe you need to allow the CORS on the java side
2018-10-11 05:53 <djphil> for exemple with jsonsimstat ... no problems with external jquery request
2018-10-11 05:54 <djphil> well i search ...
2018-10-11 05:54 <djphil> i have no problem to post request from outside to inside with curl
2018-10-11 05:55 <djphil> but i whant jquery/ajaxs
2018-10-11 05:55 <Bill_Blight> I have no problem posting to in world from a PHP or Python script so I find it hard to believe it is a cross origin denial on the opensimulator side
2018-10-11 05:56 <Bill_Blight> something like @CrossOrigin(origins = "http://domain2.com", maxAge = 3600)
2018-10-11 05:56 <Bill_Blight> in the ajax
2018-10-11 05:57 <djphil> i have try with "jsonp"
2018-10-11 09:49 <Ubit>             if (url.allowXss)
2018-10-11 09:49 <Ubit>                 response["access_control_allow_origin"] = "*";
2018-10-11 09:49 <djphil> what that ?
2018-10-11 09:50 <djphil> is opensim source ?
2018-10-11 09:50 <Ubit> you need the option allowXss
2018-10-11 09:50 <djphil> Hmmm
2018-10-11 09:51 <Ubit> that old patch is there but with that condition
2018-10-11 09:52 <djphil> Now i need to found where allow that
2018-10-11 09:52 <Ubit> oops i closed the source :p
2018-10-11 10:22 <djphil> I found one way to get it work
2018-10-11 10:23 <djphil> but it use a webservice :(
2018-10-11 10:23 <djphil> http://www.whateverorigin.org/
2018-10-11 10:23 <djphil> No found direct way :s
2018-10-11 10:23 <djphil> it makes me crazy!
2018-10-18 13:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #5915 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-10-18 13:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 7391: deliver llregionSayTo to all scripts on prim that match target specs
2018-10-18 14:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #5916 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-10-18 14:09 <mchase> Has anyone tried building addons in HEAD?  I'm probably doing something wrong but I get tons of unresolved refs.  IN this case just trying to build the Gloebit module.  Using VS2017.  I can dig into it and I will but wanted to ask first if something had changed?
2018-10-18 14:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5916: SUCCESS in 6 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5916/
2018-10-18 14:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change chattype on llRegionSayTo when sending to avatar viewer only.
2018-10-18 14:16 <BillBlight> @mchase, I have built the gloebit module with master on windows, did not see anything unexpected
2018-10-18 14:16 <mchase> Hmm. Okay.  Using VS or msbuild/mono or something else?
2018-10-18 14:17 <BillBlight> just using the commandline msbuild, let me load it into VS and see what happens
2018-10-18 14:18 <BillBlight> well one thing could be, check their prebuild, it is set to 4_0 change it to 4_6 ...
2018-10-18 14:20 <mchase> Ah, hmm. ok thats something
2018-10-18 14:26 <mchase> Ok MsBuild works
2018-10-18 14:26 <mchase> so its something with the tooling/build in VS 2017.  Or how I have it set up
2018-10-18 14:29 <BillBlight> could be VS not obeying the build order and not building dependancies first
2018-10-18 14:48 <Plugh> mchase: Gloebit has released their source code? AFAIK, you just had to tell them which version of OpenSim you are using and they will get you the right version of module.
2018-10-18 14:58 <mchase> Yes the source is on Github now.
2018-10-18 14:58 <mchase> You can drop a dll into your build but personally I prefer everything built from source
2018-10-18 15:01 <mchase> https://github.com/gloebit/opensim-moneymodule-gloebit
2018-10-18 15:02 <mchase> BTW its really well documented and very nicely done
2018-10-18 15:02 <Plugh> I think Gloebit is still using v4_0 because they still have to support OpenSim 0.8
2018-10-18 15:19 <BillBlight> Yes that is mostlikely the case Plugh, but the module does run a bit faster if you compile it with 4.6
2018-10-18 15:20 <BillBlight> for those of us not stuck in the past ... ;)
2018-10-18 15:22 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2018-10-19 02:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #5917 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-10-19 02:50 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix AGENT_MALE lsl constant havinf same value as AGENT_AUTOPILOT
2018-10-19 02:50 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  add initial test support for cap LSLSyntax. This does not seem to work for Opensimulator on viewers, In particular with FireStorm seems impossible to replace its own definitions, viwers do note revert to defaults on tp to a region that does not suport this cap, etc. So possible just a dead end. Disabled by default
2018-10-19 02:51 <BillBlight> you misspelled syntax
2018-10-19 02:51 <BillBlight> no e
2018-10-19 02:51 <BillBlight> does not need that last e
2018-10-19 02:52 <BillBlight> hehe
2018-10-19 02:52 <Ubit> details :P
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2018-10-19 03:04 <Ubit> opos
2018-10-19 03:04 <Ubit> damm
2018-10-19 03:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5918: SUCCESS in 6 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5918/
2018-10-19 03:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix typos
2018-10-19 03:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #5919 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-10-19 03:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cap LSLSyntax was enabled by mistake
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2018-10-19 17:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: autogen LSLSyntax version uuid
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2018-10-19 18:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: LSLSyntax some cleanup
2018-10-19 23:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #5922 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-10-19 23:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a few more things to SrcriptSyntax
2018-10-20 00:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #5923 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-10-20 00:01 <Ubit> well runprebuild is needed after this last
2018-10-20 00:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5923: SUCCESS in 6 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5923/
2018-10-20 00:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove TempAttachments module
2018-10-20 01:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #5924 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-10-20 01:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: double Ooopss
2018-10-20 01:35 <Plugh> I'm getting lots of messages along the lines of -> [FORMS]: Error sending request to http://127.0.0.83:9611/estate: The operation has timed out.
2018-10-20 01:36 <Plugh> That isn't the real IP address. What is wrong about it is that it refers to .83 when the machine running the instance is .76
2018-10-20 01:37 <Ubit> no idea
2018-10-20 01:37 <Plugh> Where does it get the information to create the URL when it wants to access some estate information? The instance ini does not have the wrong IP. The regions table has the proper IP for the region.
2018-10-20 01:37 <Ubit> 127 with dif numbers ?
2018-10-20 01:38 <Plugh> The real IP in the message is that of an old machine that is no longer used in the grid.
2018-10-20 01:38 <Ubit> and 127 meaning dif machines ?
2018-10-20 01:38 <Plugh> I'm using 127.0.0 as the first part of the IP reported in the message to disguise the real machines IP address.
2018-10-20 01:39 <Ubit> bad choice :p
2018-10-20 01:40 <Plugh> What are you talking about? I'm not going to paste the IP address of a private machine in to open chat.
2018-10-20 01:40 <Ubit> sure..  but 127 was a bad choice
2018-10-20 01:40 <Ubit> 192 was better 
2018-10-20 01:40 <Plugh> Would you have prefered 10 or 192?
2018-10-20 01:41 <Ubit> of course :p
2018-10-20 01:41 <Plugh> Still amounts to the same thing.
2018-10-20 01:41 <Ubit> noooo
2018-10-20 01:41 <Ubit> made confusion
2018-10-20 01:41 <Plugh> They are all privately routed IPs
2018-10-20 01:41 <Ubit> bc 127 is a special class
2018-10-20 01:41 <Plugh> You often seem to get hung up on stupid details that have nothing to do with the problem.
2018-10-20 01:42 <Ubit> whatever
2018-10-20 01:42 <Plugh> Its coming up with the wrong IP address. I can't figure out where it is getting it. The region was moved from a machine with an IP address that used to end in .83 to a new machine whose IP address now ends in .76 but the URL is still using the old IP address.
2018-10-20 01:43 <Plugh> The entry in the regions table shows the correct value for server and serverURI.
2018-10-20 01:43 <BillBlight> have you cleared the regions cache?
2018-10-20 01:43 <BillBlight> is it storing to a sqllite db for the region
2018-10-20 01:44 <Plugh> Which regions cache? All data is stored in MySQL tables.
2018-10-20 01:44 <BillBlight> have you checked the estate table to make sure the old one is not still in there
2018-10-20 01:53 <Plugh> BillBlight: I tried looking in there but I didn't see any IP addresses.
2018-10-20 02:00 <BillBlight> this is a grid right?
2018-10-20 02:00 <Plugh> I don't know why the problem recently appeared. The machines haven't been reconfigured. I've checked for DNS lookup errors and the IP mappings are correct.
2018-10-20 02:00 <Plugh> yes, it is a grid. 
2018-10-20 02:00 <BillBlight> Using central estates?
2018-10-20 02:00 <Plugh> yes
2018-10-20 02:00 <BillBlight> has the robust been restarted?
2018-10-20 02:01 <Plugh> Not recently but I can do that.
2018-10-20 02:01 <BillBlight> the map of where sims are in estates is loaded into memory I do believe, so if you just lobotomized a region and it did not get cleared and brought it up in the new location the old one may still be there, estates are a mess anyway ..
2018-10-20 02:03 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2018-10-20 02:03 <Plugh> The actual move was done some months ago. I've restarted Robust. I'll restart one of the regions with the problem and see if that helps.
2018-10-20 02:05 <Plugh> Back in about 3 minutes.
2018-10-20 02:17 <Plugh> Restarting Robust seems to have helped (I think). I'll get some other people to do more testing. Now I have a different (minor) problem.
2018-10-20 02:18 <Plugh> It shows the wrong domain named when it says "Teleport completed from" when I TP between regions.
2018-10-20 02:18 <Plugh> If it isn't one thing it is another. :P
2018-10-20 02:19 <Plugh> The domain name is one of a possible reverse mapping for one of the machines but not the one that is running the regions.
2018-10-20 02:20 <Plugh> That's a problem for another day. My cat has been trying to get my attention for a while. 
2018-10-20 05:18 <Plugh> I thought for a moment that restarting Robust fixed the problem but it hasn't.
2018-10-20 05:18 <Plugh> OpenSim instances are issuing queries for estate information to the wrong IP address.
2018-10-20 13:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #5925 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-10-20 13:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix groups v2 agentUUI ofr uuid.zero case
2018-10-20 13:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #5926 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-10-20 13:18 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add RemoveUser to UserManagement
2018-10-20 13:18 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Remove NPCs from UserManagement when removed
2018-10-20 13:18 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8398: fix with previus commits; removed redundante code
2018-10-20 14:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #5927 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-10-20 14:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5927: FAILURE in 3 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5927/
2018-10-20 14:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change ossl error report and NPC create error handling
2018-10-20 14:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #5928 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5926 1 hr 23 min ago)
2018-10-20 14:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5928: STILL FAILING in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5928/
2018-10-20 14:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid a null ref during jenkins tests
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2018-10-20 14:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ossl error messages are not from a agent
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2018-10-20 15:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change ossl tests setup
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2018-10-20 15:29 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2018-10-20 15:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5931: FIXED in 7 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5931/
2018-10-20 15:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops
2018-10-20 18:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #5932 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
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2018-10-20 18:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8356: patched by hand, thx Lotek
2018-10-20 18:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #5933 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-10-20 19:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Add non-transparent water asset
2018-10-20 23:22 <mchase> Just curious, are the builds happening from changes on HEAD or on a branch?
2018-10-20 23:48 <BillBlight> oh head
2018-10-20 23:48 <BillBlight> master
2018-10-20 23:58 <mchase> Hmm ok.  I guess since there are no PR's or reviews that sort of makes sense.  It doesnt really work if multiple people are checking in code
2018-10-21 00:02 <BillBlight> Ubit is the only one pushing updates right now, sometimes they show as other people, due to him doing it under their name for "credit"
2018-10-21 00:03 <BillBlight> if you look at the commits it will say something like "Signed off by Ubit" or somthing
2018-10-21 00:03 <BillBlight> well Plugh pushes the occasional thing
2018-10-21 00:06 <BillBlight> master branch is dev code so what you see is what you get ...  Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't ..
2018-10-21 00:06 <mchase> So is there no plan to add additional contributors?  Or I guess we all just maintain our forks and share patches with each other?
2018-10-21 00:07 <BillBlight> I think this was talked about at one of the dev meetings, and the answer was No, but that does not stop someone from starting their own fork and accepting contributors , and all the headache that goes with that
2018-10-21 00:08 <mchase> Nods ok. Understood
2018-10-21 00:09 <BillBlight> Me I'm just a loud voice, nothing to do with core, but I tend to agree , there is not enough "management" in core to deal with outside contributors
2018-10-21 00:09 <BillBlight> Does not stop people from submitting patches on the mantis though
2018-10-21 00:09 <mchase> Nods, and I realize I'm being a bit of a troublemaker.  It would just be nice to see a real CICD process.  with pull requests and reviews.  Even for core.
2018-10-21 00:10 <MarcusLlewellyn> You're not the only one, mchase.
2018-10-21 00:10 <mchase> Nods
2018-10-21 00:10 <BillBlight> I don't disagree, but in it's current form pretty sure it would just be a madhouse
2018-10-21 00:11 <BillBlight> Only so much the active people can do for free, in their free time
2018-10-21 00:13 <BillBlight> just to point out from the opensimulator page , "OpenSimulator allows virtual world developers to customize their worlds using the technologies they feel work best" , the mission of the project is not to be everything to everyone ..
2018-10-21 00:14 <mchase> Well yes of course.
2018-10-21 00:14 <mchase> But that doesn't replace good development practices.  Besides there are lots of opensource projects that are largely volunteer driven that work that way.
2018-10-21 00:15 <mchase> And I wouldn't fuss at all except the current structure CREATES forks.  and incompatible versions
2018-10-21 00:16 <BillBlight> well, if devs create imcompatilble versions, that is not the core projects fault
2018-10-21 00:16 <BillBlight> everybody knows better, and that is part of the issue
2018-10-21 00:16 <mchase> It isnt?
2018-10-21 00:17 <mchase> If only one person can commit?
2018-10-21 00:17 <BillBlight> if you change your fork to NOT work with core, how is that cores fault?
2018-10-21 00:17 <mchase> Well of course thats not.  But there's no dialog about what goes in either.
2018-10-21 00:18 <BillBlight> Too many people come at this project with the mindset of "It's broken and I know how to fix it better", I don't blame them for putting up a impassible wall ..
2018-10-21 00:18 <mchase> I'd love to do my LI changes from Halcyon for mesh. But thats alot of code.  And doing patches through Mantis. Well sorry that doesnt work
2018-10-21 00:19 <mchase> I don't want to "fix" it. Though it does need some fixes.  I just want to contribute
2018-10-21 00:20 <mchase> Anyway I dont want to be pedantic.  And I think uBit and Melanie already know how I feel about it.  It is what it is
2018-10-21 00:21 <BillBlight> then make the patch available on your public fork, if enough people  use it and it truly is an improvement it will gain traction, there have been changes recently to the mesh throttles specific to that case
2018-10-21 00:21 <mchase> A good start though would be to do patches and unit testing on a branch instead of HEAD.
2018-10-21 00:21 <mchase> Yes thats how I plan to work
2018-10-21 00:21 <BillBlight> why a branch?  It's just a name
2018-10-21 00:22 <mchase> Because broken shit doesnt end up on HEAD
2018-10-21 00:22 <mchase> Until the tests pass
2018-10-21 00:22 <BillBlight> all tests currently pass on master
2018-10-21 00:23 <mchase> Well it was broken earlier which is what prompted my question
2018-10-21 00:23 <mchase> uBit pushed an additional fix to get it building.  But again that should happen on a branch IMO
2018-10-21 00:23 <BillBlight> it was broken for about 22 minues
2018-10-21 00:26 <BillBlight> actually more like 19 but that is a little bit petty
2018-10-21 00:27 <mchase> I'm not trying to be petty. Sorry.
2018-10-21 00:27 <mchase> I dont think the time it was broken is the point
2018-10-21 00:37 <mchase> I do want to say I appreciate all the hard work that uBit does to maintain core.  Its a tough job and a little thankless at times I imagine.   It would be good if more of us could help.
2018-10-21 00:38 <MarcusLlewellyn> In a lot of ways, OpenSimulator has never outgrown the past methodologies that they used when they were still on SVN. Patches rather than PRs. Working on master rather than branches, or having a stable branch.
2018-10-21 00:39 <BillBlight> hard for one person giving up their free time to maintain one branch, let alone multiples with contributors
2018-10-21 00:39 <MarcusLlewellyn> Doesn't have to be just one person, I think is the point, though. :/
2018-10-21 00:39 <BillBlight> true enough
2018-10-21 00:41 <MarcusLlewellyn> Historically, there's a pile of dead one man forks of opensim. Food for thought.
2018-10-21 00:43 <mchase> nods
2018-10-21 00:43 <BillBlight> and most of those died because they broke compatibility
2018-10-21 00:44 <MarcusLlewellyn> In part, absolutely. But also because going it alone with a codebase this large isn't sustainable long term.
2018-10-21 00:45 <BillBlight> I've been maintaining my fork for almost 2 years now, not that long since I moved it to it's own repo, and that is a millenium in opensim time (for a compatible fork)
2018-10-21 00:47 <MarcusLlewellyn> Yes, and I hugely admire you for that. :) But successful opensource projects with a single contributor are the exception, not the rule. You also aren't working in a vacuum, as you take care to maintain a codebase that you can merge.
2018-10-21 00:47 <BillBlight> most forks try to re-invent the wheel rather than helping build the whole car ..
2018-10-21 00:49 <MarcusLlewellyn> Many have, this is true. But again, historically we've seen the same trends in other projects where incompatibility wasn't the issue. TPVs are an exemplary story of one man forks that *have* to be compatible to be useful, but have died over and over.
2018-10-21 00:49 <BillBlight> I mean let's look at it from a human prespective, let's say you are doing something, does not matter what, which would you respond better to, "someone kicking in the door and screaming, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG!!" or someone walking in and saying, "That is really cool, and I have an idea how to make it cooler!!!"
2018-10-21 00:50 <MarcusLlewellyn> The latter, obviously. But I'm not sure anyone is advocating the former.
2018-10-21 00:50 <mchase> Right. I think thats a matter of perception
2018-10-21 00:51 <BillBlight> but traditionally that is how this community approaches this project
2018-10-21 00:51 <BillBlight> IT"S WRONG
2018-10-21 00:51 <BillBlight> lol
2018-10-21 00:51 <MarcusLlewellyn> I do not believe a lack of shared vision is the issue. I think a lack of manpower is of concern.
2018-10-21 00:51 <BillBlight> just my view point
2018-10-21 00:51 <mchase> The goal should be collaboration not being adverse to input
2018-10-21 00:52 <BillBlight> I agree but I can't really blame core for walling themselves off from the vile that this community tends to spew
2018-10-21 00:54 <BillBlight> a quick look through the mantis history will show how much the code gets blamed even when it is not the codes fault or how much someones "Perfect Setup" does not work the way they want it and blames the code
2018-10-21 00:55 <MarcusLlewellyn> Kitchens get awfully hot. ;)
2018-10-21 00:55 <MarcusLlewellyn> That was a rash and ill though out statement. I withdraw it.
2018-10-21 00:57 <BillBlight> Yes and the cooks are free to throw those who complain out
2018-10-21 00:57 <MarcusLlewellyn> They are indeed.
2018-10-21 00:57 <MarcusLlewellyn> And here we are. :)
2018-10-21 00:58 <BillBlight> yep
2018-10-21 00:58 <BillBlight> Historically this community complains more than it collaborates and that is really depressing
2018-10-21 00:59 <MarcusLlewellyn> Any community will be like that. It'a s red herring. More important to me is the health of core itself.
2018-10-21 00:59 <BillBlight> the end users want a "finished product" well if I remember correctly this was never supposed to be a finished product but a platform to build on
2018-10-21 01:00 <MarcusLlewellyn> The truth is, this can't ever be a finished project, because it is only half a project. It is my believe that OpenSim has great value, and will continue to have value for some time to come. But it cannot innovate. Not while it is chained to the Linden codebase via the viewer.
2018-10-21 01:01 <MarcusLlewellyn> Whole other can of worms there, though. ;)
2018-10-21 01:02 <mchase> Yeah thats another issue.  But I'm not sure the "community" here could even have a discussion about that in any healthy way. And IMO thats a problem
2018-10-21 01:03 <BillBlight> agreed
2018-10-21 01:03 <BillBlight> they want to move away from LL but don't want to change, but want to move want new things, but don't want change ... yada yada yada
2018-10-21 01:39 <danbanner> imo we'd need a companion viewer to move away from the LL protocols
2018-10-21 01:52 <BillBlight> I completly agree danbanner, issue is the community will throw a fit when they can't use the same viewer for their love child SL .. Even though at the same time the same people are screaming for an opensim viewer, it is a really weird mindset that seems to be floating around ..
2018-10-21 02:01 <Plugh> mchase: There are several people who can push code changes to the main code repository. At the moment there is only one person doing that on a regular basis.
2018-10-21 02:03 <Plugh> danbanner: Right, and that's part of the problem. Developers would be needed who can handle the viewer side allowing other developers to concentrate on the OpenSim code.
2018-10-21 11:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #5934 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-10-21 11:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8387: (try) avoid potencial out of order phys operations
2018-10-21 11:26 <Ubit> outch ppl decided to fill up mantis now ?
2018-10-21 11:37 <Ubit> err fail? grrr
2018-10-21 11:39 <Ubit> oops
2018-10-21 11:41 <danbanner> )
2018-10-21 11:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #5935 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5933 16 hr ago)
2018-10-21 11:49 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2018-10-21 11:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5935: FIXED in 6 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5935/
2018-10-21 11:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops some code got in ahead of time
2018-10-21 16:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #5936 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
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2018-10-21 17:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update script syntax
2018-10-21 20:40 <paela> hi, anyone use Y ?
2018-10-21 21:15 <BillBlight> I do
2018-10-21 21:15 <BillBlight> It's also running on Dev Outreach on osGrid
2018-10-22 01:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #5937 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-10-22 01:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix wrong error message in mutelist connector
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2018-10-22 01:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix opensim.ini.examplewq coments on mutes module
2018-10-22 17:57 <danbanner> 
ACTION slaps czwolf around a bit with a large trout

2018-10-23 09:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #5939 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-10-23 09:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove ThrottlePer100PrimsRezzed option, do not delay attachments with thread.sleep
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2018-10-23 10:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: recover the inword region console comand Set AutoGrantAttachPerms
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2018-10-23 11:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove AttachmentsCommandModule
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2018-10-23 11:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove a dead module
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2018-10-23 17:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: llName2Key. Thanks to mewtwo0641 and watcher64.
2018-10-23 17:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #5944 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-10-23 18:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few changes to last commit
2018-10-23 21:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #5945 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-10-23 21:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Protect/Prevent user names from using valid HG identifiers.
2018-10-23 21:47 <CrasherRob> Ubit, On shutdown, I sometimes get a System.ArgumentNullException where the only OpenSim module/function is OpenSim.Region.ClientStack.Linden.GetTextureModule.DoTextureRequests() Do you need some sort of thread lock on m_NumberScenes in GetTextureModule.cs? (Suppose it changes right after it's checked at line 412.) The sim shutdown completes normally after this Exception, so I don't know if you need to look at this at all.
2018-10-23 21:48 <Ubit> during shutdown some errors can popup
2018-10-23 21:48 <Ubit> just bc things where killed bu other threads
2018-10-23 21:49 <Ubit> not a issue most time, just not pretty
2018-10-23 21:49 <Bill_Blight> happens often if dynamic textures happen to try and update as a shutdown is happening ..
2018-10-23 21:50 <CrasherRob> ok, thanks for info. I hadn't seen this one before. Probably this condition is happening where it didn't before.
2018-10-24 16:26 <Bill_Blight> Someone please go to czwolf's house and fix his internet connection/PC
2018-10-24 16:27 <Ubit> ( or just cut the wire )
2018-10-24 16:27 <Ubit> :)
2018-10-24 16:27 <Bill_Blight> That too
2018-10-24 16:27 <Bill_Blight> I support the scorched earth policy
2018-10-24 16:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #5946 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-10-24 16:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update script syntax file
2018-10-24 20:06 <Plugh> Um... this is odd. The default physics engine appears to be ODE and not BulletSim as stated in the OpenSim.ini.example file.
2018-10-24 20:38 <CrasherRob> Plugh I presume you're looking in ConfigurationLoader.cs which sets ODE physics. However, OpenSimDefaults.ini sets BulletSim. The "config get Startup physics" command yields BulletSim, so it looks like that must override the default configuration.
2018-10-24 20:40 <Plugh> I had a region were the physics engine wasn't explicitly set and it came out as ODE when I check the setting via the console. I don't see a default value being set in the code. I'll have to dig deeper. It may check if it found a setting and if not set the default in a different line of code.
2018-10-24 20:41 <Melanie_T> the config defaults file isn't supposed to override anything
2018-10-24 20:41 <Melanie_T> it's meant to reiterate compiled defaults
2018-10-24 20:42 <Melanie_T> it should never be changed unless the compiled in default is also changed
2018-10-24 20:42 <Melanie_T> it's there mainly to show a non-coder what they can expect to happen if they con't set a config for a key
2018-10-24 20:44 <CrasherRob> OK, but they do currently disagree in the source, ConfigurationLoader.cs does appear to read the Defaults, and I'm reporting what I get on my running system.
2018-10-24 20:45 <Plugh> I ran across a case where physics wasn't explicity set and it didn't default to BulletSim as is stated in the ini file. Now I'm looking for where the default is set in the code to make sure it is properly defaulting to BS if no physics engine was specified in an ini.
2018-10-24 20:46 <Plugh> Ah, ok. The default is specified in OpenSimDefaults.ini
2018-10-24 20:51 <CrasherRob> Look at OpenSim/Region/Application/ConfigurationLoader.cs, line 347: config.Set("physics", "OpenDynamicsEngine"); I found this by grepping for "physics" and looking for a file that might have something to do with initialization. 
2018-10-24 20:53 <Plugh> I was looking for the get not a set.
2018-10-24 20:53 <Plugh> There are multiple places where it does a set of physics engine.
2018-10-24 20:55 <Ubit> do you also know how to read the comments in code?
2018-10-24 21:02 <Plugh> Comments don't show up when I'm grepping for "physics"
2018-10-24 21:03 <Ubit> just check your opensimdefaults  it does override anything bf it
2018-10-24 21:03 <Ubit> and gets overridded bu opensim.ini etc
2018-10-24 21:03 <Ubit> ( and yes it can override compile time settings )
2018-10-24 21:40 <Melanie_T> i didn't say it can't 
2018-10-24 21:40 <Melanie_T> i said it's not supposed to
2018-10-24 21:40 <Melanie_T> at least not as we ship it
2018-10-24 21:40 <Melanie_T> what users do is up to them but the default settings in the defaults file are supposed to match the compiled settings
2018-10-25 01:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #5947 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-10-25 01:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove a unnecessary scripts constants file
2018-10-25 01:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #5948 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-10-25 01:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update syntax file
2018-10-25 01:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #5949 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-10-25 01:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let the syntax file include its id again
2018-10-25 16:40 <Plugh> I'm still trying to figure out why a region is using the wrong URL when trying to fetch estate information. It seems to use the right URL the first time it does so after a region restart but after that it uses the wrong URL. I have at least a half dozen regions in a grid with this problem.
2018-10-25 17:51 <Plugh> Since no one seems to know the cause of the problem with the regions and fetching the estate information I've told them to just delete the regions and make new ones.
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2018-10-25 21:11 <Plugh> A newly created region is also using the wrong URL when trying to fetch the estate information. WTF is going on? I feel like I will need to hack the grid code to force the right IP address when the wrong one is seen.
2018-10-28 14:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #5950 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-10-28 14:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reduce some threads priority
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2018-10-30 23:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update httpserver.dll
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2018-11-01 10:31 <atate> Test to check I am registered in IRC to enable me to join #opensim-dev
2018-11-01 10:31 <BillBlight> Howdy 
2018-11-01 10:31 <atate> Thanks Bill. must rush off just now but will check this out and make sure I can get back in later
2018-11-01 10:31 <atate> bye
2018-11-01 10:31 <BillBlight> atate = AiAustin
2018-11-01 10:31 <atate> yep
2018-11-01 10:32 <BillBlight> there we go
2018-11-01 10:32 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-11-01 10:32 <AiAustin> but I cannot remember details I registerd that nickname with
2018-11-01 10:32 <BillBlight> let's not confuse Ubit anymore than he already is
2018-11-01 10:32 <Ai_Austin> odd. it says AiAustin was already taken then let me use it!
2018-11-01 10:33 <BillBlight> yeah you can switch to it for a short time but services may change it to a random one
2018-11-01 10:35 <Ai_Austin> Hopefully I can use AI_Austin now
2018-11-01 10:35 <Ai_Austin> must dash
2018-11-01 10:35 <BillBlight> I added a note to the Mantis
2018-11-01 10:35 <BillBlight> about our testing
2018-11-01 10:35 <Ai_Austin> Ai_Austin is capiitalization
2018-11-01 10:35 <Ai_Austin> off now
2018-11-01 18:50 <McCready_> Hi everyone. Is it normal that if i set Denied Clients into my Robust.HG.ini config it works, but then if i setup the same configuration into my OpenSim.ini it lets Clients login? I'd like to block some viewers only in specific Regions.
2018-11-01 19:16 <McCready_> Sorry i crashed and i don't know if my msg arrived. Is it normal that setting up "Denied Clients" into the Robust config it works (but of course on a grid level) but if i do that into the OpenSim.ini it doesn't? I'd need to block some viewer but only on specific regions. It used to work on 0.8* but now seems to ignore that
2018-11-01 19:19 <BillBlight> answered you in the other channel, but, in a grid setup all authentication even HG is done via the robust, not directly on the region side, I think that may be what you are seeing
2018-11-01 19:20 <BillBlight> again don't quote me on that, but pretty sure that is how it works ..
2018-11-02 00:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #5952 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-02 02:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5952: SUCCESS in 2 hr 20 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5952/
2018-11-02 02:29 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: only main http server listener should run events pool
2018-11-02 02:29 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: forgot about lsl secure urls service.. so lets try another way for now (mantis 8382)
2018-11-02 02:30 <Ubit>  SUCCESS in 2 hr 20 ?
2018-11-02 02:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #5953 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-02 02:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5953: SUCCESS in 6 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5953/
2018-11-02 02:40 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix lsl http url pool service not beeing removed
2018-11-02 02:40 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix lsl http url pool service still not starting correctly
2018-11-02 11:45 <Ai_Austin> Loks like @Ubit fixes for the HTTP event handling and XMLRPC server have fixed the problems.  Thanks Ubit.. AiLand and Openvue grids are runnign with dev master 512 and are back to normal.  
2018-11-02 11:45 <Ai_Austin> *Looks
2018-11-02 12:00 <Ubit> nice :)
2018-11-02 16:46 <BillBlight> That's what happens when you take time to troubleshoot problems and not just keep screaming that something is broken ..
2018-11-02 19:29 <Plugh> Bill, what was the location of the meeting on Tuesday?
2018-11-02 19:32 <Ubit> reetings, everyone.
2018-11-02 19:32 <Ubit> OSgrid is currently offline for maintenance so we can't meet in the usual location. Bill has set up devoutreach.org:9000:Dev Outreach as a place we can use for this weeks meeting.
2018-11-02 19:32 <Ubit> -- 
2018-11-02 19:32 <Ubit> Cheers!
2018-11-02 19:32 <Ubit> Kevin. 
2018-11-02 19:33 <Ubit> the osg one is hmm
2018-11-02 19:34 <Ubit> Dev Outreach
2018-11-02 19:34 <Plugh> Ubit, thanks. I need to go back there to pick up the NC I saved.
2018-11-02 19:34 <Plugh> I think the region is offline.
2018-11-02 19:35 <Ubit> lets hope bill still has it :)
2018-11-02 19:35 <Ubit> go see yr kitely account
2018-11-02 19:36 <Ubit> it should be there
2018-11-02 19:36 <Ubit> if i remember you where there from kitely no ?
2018-11-02 19:38 <BillBlight> yes you were there from kitely
2018-11-02 19:38 <BillBlight> I can bring it back up if you need me too
2018-11-02 19:40 <BillBlight> brought it back up devoutreach.org:9000:Dev Outreach
2018-11-02 20:00 <Plugh> Bill, ty. I found the notecard and have posted the chat log to the wiki.
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2018-11-03 11:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #5954 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-03 11:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5954: SUCCESS in 8 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5954/
2018-11-03 11:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  we should only have one http poll service manager per instance
2018-11-03 11:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #5955 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-11-03 12:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  fix typo
2018-11-04 16:23 <Plugh> I'm working on the OSSL wiki pages. What exactly does making a sound a master sound really mean?
2018-11-04 17:02 <Plugh> nm. I worked it out.
2018-11-04 17:04 <djphil> Is something with the prim with the script inside, right ?
2018-11-04 17:07 <djphil> What SL wiki says is not very clear (for me)
2018-11-04 17:19 <Plugh> The SL wiki pages made it clear to me when I read the page for the slave sound functions.
2018-11-04 17:19 <djphil> Seem sound slave (in another prim) can be actived only if sound master is active
2018-11-04 17:20 <Plugh> Sounds right. The playing of slave sounds are synchronized to the playing of the master sound.
2018-11-04 17:21 <djphil> Enjoy! :)
2018-11-04 17:27 <Plugh> Thanks. :)
2018-11-04 17:27 <Plugh> I've created pages for four of the OSSL sound functions I discovered weren't even mentioned.
2018-11-04 17:28 <Plugh> Seven more still to be done.
2018-11-04 17:28 <djphil> Hehe i add it from a long time now :p
2018-11-04 17:29 <djphil> Ubit made all these :)
2018-11-04 17:30 <djphil> Here i found good explain for Master/Slave sound: https://books.google.be/books?id=PBWWu18lqogC&pg=PA249&lpg=PA249&dq=lsl+sound+master&source=bl&ots=_G0GoKygh2&sig=dOBHjiTGQE65xKPn5fV-xYmCe3E&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwigvI-kmbveAhWJJ1AKHRAyBBIQ6AEwF3oECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=lsl%20sound%20master&f=false
2018-11-04 17:31 <djphil> with a funny exemple
2018-11-04 18:19 <Plugh> The os sound functions were added for 0.9.0.1 but did not get added to the wiki at that time.
2018-11-04 18:23 <djphil> Yes yes, I added almost directly to the wiki
2018-11-04 18:28 <djphil> I see i have no mentionned theses new ossl sound function to the Firestorm Jira yet ... (for syntax highlight)
2018-11-04 18:42 <djphil> I do not understand the term "syncronizes" the sound ... it really does not really "syncronize" ... :p
2018-11-04 19:48 <Plugh> I haven't tried it. You would need to get two different prims playing the same sound and see if they are playing at the same time or not
2018-11-04 19:48 <BillBlight> Some of those new sound functions don't work as they require viewer support, which used to exist but was removed , such as SoundRadius
2018-11-04 19:49 <Plugh> I bet we have no idea why the viewer support was removed.
2018-11-04 19:50 <BillBlight> well the issue goes back to 2005 and evidently was in a pre-release viewer but never made it to the release
2018-11-04 19:52 <Plugh> oh. :P
2018-11-04 19:52 <BillBlight> was in SL .0.4 LOL
2018-11-04 19:53 <BillBlight> would be nice to have but I doubt the viewers will ever get fixed, but doesn't hurt to support it if someone wants to make a viewer that does support it
2018-11-04 19:53 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2018-11-04 19:54 <Plugh> BillBlight: Care to update the wiki pages to pont out that it is likely unsupported by viewers?
2018-11-04 19:54 <BillBlight> I don't have access to do that, I signed up for the page a LOOOONNNNGGGG time ago forget which account I used but it never got approved, I can sign up again
2018-11-04 19:55 <Plugh> I can check the accounts. Give me a moment...
2018-11-04 19:55 <BillBlight> OMG it was back before the .6.9 days, I doubt I have that email address anymore, I'll sign up again
2018-11-04 19:57 <BillBlight> I just put in a new one as BillBlight
2018-11-04 19:57 <Plugh> I always have trouble finding the link to get in to the admin part of the wiki.
2018-11-04 21:17 <Ubit> stop telling fs about new ossl things
2018-11-04 21:17 <Ubit> we now do send that info to viewers
2018-11-04 21:18 <Ubit> and the way fs is doing it overrides our info
2018-11-04 21:22 <Ubit> ( well the info we send does need improvements )
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2018-11-05 08:18 <Tampa_> Confirmed: czwolf has internet worse than wet string xD
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2018-11-06 00:05 <Tampa> czwolf: Do you even internet?
2018-11-06 00:14 <Plugh> yes, but not a realiable connection.
2018-11-06 00:15 <BillBlight> Ya think?  LOL
2018-11-06 01:01 <Tampa> My entire chat window is just his connection failures lately
2018-11-06 01:13 <Ubit> get ready for another :p
2018-11-06 15:13 <Ai_Austin> Doing some testing on @SnootDwagon's OSGrid ElvenSong region I am seeign in the Firestorm debug console some warnings (repeated many many times) about trying to dimension a n image to 320x320.
2018-11-06 15:14 <Ai_Austin> Anyone know what that might be?  Warning come sin batches of 4 like this... every 10 secdonds or so
2018-11-06 15:14 <Ai_Austin> 2018-11-06T14:24:28Z WARNING: llrender/llimagegl.cpp(505) : LLImageGL::setSize: Texture has non power of two dimension: 320x320
2018-11-06 15:14 <Ai_Austin> 2018-11-06T14:24:28Z WARNING: llrender/llimagegl.cpp(1314) : LLImageGL::createGLTexture: Trying to create a texture with incorrect dimensions!
2018-11-06 15:14 <Ai_Austin> 2018-11-06T14:24:30Z WARNING: llmessage/lltransfermanager.cpp(309) : LLTransferManager::processTransferInfo: 3cc3b784-853a-017a-c7c4-61d21bb04a05: Non-ok status, cleaning up
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2018-11-06 15:15 <Ai_Austin>  
2018-11-06 15:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #5956 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-06 15:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5956: SUCCESS in 8 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5956/
2018-11-06 15:33 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: if viewer asks for range reply in same format even if its full data
2018-11-06 15:33 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove some fire and forget methods
2018-11-06 15:33 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: udp threads don't need to be fg
2018-11-06 15:33 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove some fire and forget methods missed file
2018-11-06 18:55 <Ubit> meeting at osgrid Dev outreach 
2018-11-06 21:28 <Plugh> Is ChanServ a person or a bot?
2018-11-06 21:28 <Ubit> really ??
2018-11-06 21:28 <Ubit> its a super bot
2018-11-06 21:28 <Plugh> I wonder if we could ask it to ban czwolf from the channel until they get their connection fixed.
2018-11-06 21:32 <Ubit> hmm
2018-11-06 21:32 <Ubit> what if he just fixed his net? :)
2018-11-06 21:33 <Tampa> I told him 3 times in dc, no reaction
2018-11-06 21:34 <Ubit> i so hate this irc client
2018-11-06 21:36 -!- ChanServ changed mode/#opensim-dev -> +o Ubit
2018-11-06 21:36 <simstick> I hate mine too. what client you have Ubit 
2018-11-06 21:37 <Ubit> hexchat
2018-11-06 21:37 <Tampa> The original hexchat is really bad, there is a fork somewhere that works lots better iirc
2018-11-06 21:37 -!- Ubit changed mode/#opensim-dev -> +b czwolf!*@*
2018-11-06 21:39 <simstick> I used to know them.  Since I moved I've just been on windows. its making me forgetful.  
2018-11-06 21:39 <Ubit> well i should remember all irc comands.. but..  ufff 
2018-11-06 21:40 -!- Ubit changed mode/#opensim-dev -> -o Ubit
2018-11-06 21:40 <simstick> I was going to troll you but I didn't have the energy.  
2018-11-06 21:40 <Ubit> i need to op again? :p
2018-11-06 21:40 <Tampa> poking the dragon
2018-11-06 21:40 <simstick> IRC is pretty complicated. You probably need to get a windows machine.  
2018-11-06 21:41 <Ubit> uff i used to be at irc with telnet
2018-11-06 21:41 <simstick> lol
2018-11-06 21:41 <simstick> I invented IRC
2018-11-06 21:41 <Ubit> ( testing of course )
2018-11-06 21:41 <Tampa> telnet, I still dont know why that's still a thing
2018-11-06 21:42 <Ubit> bc its a basic thing :p
2018-11-06 21:42 <Ubit> you can also read email etc with it 
2018-11-06 21:42 <Ubit> well some emails
2018-11-06 21:43 <Ubit> ( don't ask how.. did it.. don't remember :p  )
2018-11-06 21:43 <Tampa> Yeah but try getting parts of it to work these days, whats that telnet server thing called for sending files again, like there are repos for it all, but last updates are like 2 decades ago
2018-11-06 21:43 <Ubit> simstick,  i used to be a ircd dev also
2018-11-06 21:43 <Ubit> ages ago
2018-11-06 21:44 <Tampa> I tried to recover a switch once using telnet and some tt-something thing, took a whole week to figure out
2018-11-06 21:44 <Ubit> well one thing is telnet, other is the comands :)
2018-11-06 21:45 <Ubit> but still a nice tool
2018-11-06 21:45 <Tampa> tftp or something, there is like no updated and working version you have to debug and compile it first
2018-11-06 21:46 <Ubit> tftp was a light ftp, initialy udp based
2018-11-06 21:48 <Ubit> see i did ban and now he does not fall
2018-11-06 21:51 <Ubit> well plz someone remember me to remove the ban ( or remove) in a few days
2018-11-06 22:57 <BillBlight> why do people have to make such a big deal over the "GRID SERVICES" account on the mantis
2018-11-06 22:57 <Ubit> duno
2018-11-06 22:58 <BillBlight> there are many service accounts on windows, and many on linux but people freak out over it
2018-11-06 22:58 <BillBlight> you can't log in with it, unless like some people are doing, "Oh I didn't like it so I set a password for it"
2018-11-07 01:01 <Tampa> Especially setting a password instead of using key auth lol
2018-11-07 01:33 <BillBlight> it is a opensim user account how do you suppose going about setting a password for the account we are talking about?
2018-11-07 01:34 <BillBlight> I mean setting a key instead of passsword
2018-11-07 05:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #5957 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-07 05:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5957: SUCCESS in 8 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5957/
2018-11-07 05:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change region gettexture response if presence not found
2018-11-07 07:45 -!- Aramis^(~someone@c-73-125-138-4.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has left #opensim-dev
2018-11-07 09:37 <Tampa> So to dig up another old topic, I just stumbled across a pirate fork of TeamSpeak called TeaSpeak, apparently a fully open-source implementation of TeamSpeaks systems, server and client. I wonder if that could be useful in some way as opposed to continuing to pursue mumble, which appears to be rather dead as of late. Unfortunately it seems that this fork is actually involved in some legal dispute with Triton so not sure whatever will 
2018-11-07 09:37 <Tampa> become of it until that dmca is settled done and proper.
2018-11-07 20:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #5958 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-07 20:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5958: SUCCESS in 8 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5958/
2018-11-07 20:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: changes to objects updates prioritizing getting dust on my disk. Schemes reduced to SimpleAngularDistance and BestAvatarResponsiveness
2018-11-08 01:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #5959 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-08 01:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5959: SUCCESS in 7 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5959/
2018-11-08 01:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update ini files comments on InterestManagement
2018-11-08 01:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #5960 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-08 01:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5960: SUCCESS in 6 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5960/
2018-11-08 01:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: some cleanup
2018-11-08 21:52 <Ubit> in use... not use
2018-11-08 23:46 <zadark> maybe I rely too much on Visual Studio, but does the last commit actually do anything?
2018-11-08 23:50 <Ubit> oops
2018-11-08 23:50 <Ubit> ahh
2018-11-08 23:52 <Ubit> hmm last commit ?
2018-11-08 23:53 <Ubit> yeap it should
2018-11-08 23:53 <Ubit> well does..
2018-11-08 23:54 <Ubit> if you mean mantis 8035: fix number of prims use to be from all owned parcels
2018-11-08 23:54 <zadark> using vs, just show deeted line
2018-11-08 23:54 <zadark> deleted
2018-11-08 23:55 <Ubit> one just with spaces
2018-11-08 23:55 <Ubit> but also like 205
2018-11-08 23:55 <zadark> ok, back to old school.. sorry
2018-11-08 23:55 <Ubit> if ((objectCount + lo.PrimCounts.Total) > OwnedParcelsCapacity)
2018-11-08 23:55 <Ubit> change to
2018-11-08 23:55 <Ubit> if ((objectCount + lo.PrimCounts.Simulator) > OwnedParcelsCapacity)
2018-11-08 23:56 <Ubit> see it ?
2018-11-08 23:56 <zadark> one sec
2018-11-08 23:57 <Ubit> that was the fix.. the delete was cosmetics :)
2018-11-08 23:57 <zadark> yes... initial vs compare wrong
2018-11-08 23:58 <zadark> thks
2018-11-08 23:58 <Ubit> :)
2018-11-08 23:59 <Ubit> well i hope was the fix ;)
2018-11-09 00:00 <zadark> deployed, we will see :)
2018-11-09 00:00 <Ubit> hey where did it go
2018-11-09 00:00 <zadark> holidat :)
2018-11-09 00:00 <zadark> holiday :))
2018-11-09 00:00 <Ubit> grr tha thingy is running
2018-11-09 00:00 <Ubit> hmm
2018-11-09 00:02 <Ubit> grrr
2018-11-09 00:03 <Ubit> well guess it will go on broken :)
2018-11-09 00:04 <Ubit> i did fix the id to join channel
2018-11-09 00:05 <Ubit> mb it connects on demand.. lets see
2018-11-09 00:05 <zadark> :)
2018-11-09 12:45 <osmantis> Bug #8405:04 Client version access control does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8405 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-11-09 12:50 <osmantis> Bug #8405:04 Client version access control does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8405 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-11-09 12:51 <osmantis> Bug #8405:04 Client version access control does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8405 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-11-09 12:53 <osmantis> Bug #8405:04 Client version access control does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8405 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-11-09 12:53 <osmantis> Bug #8405:04 Client version access control does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8405 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-11-09 12:58 <osmantis> Bug #8405:04 Client version access control does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8405 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-11-09 12:59 <osmantis> Bug #8405:04 Client version access control does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8405 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-11-09 13:10 <osmantis> Bug #8405:04 Client version access control does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8405 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-09 13:38 <osmantis> Bug #8405:04 Client version access control does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8405 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-09 14:02 <Ubit> osmantis you are a spammer
2018-11-09 14:02 <Ubit> :)
2018-11-09 14:07 <Tampa> More like whoever wrote that ticket updated it like a lot
2018-11-09 14:09 <Ubit> yeap, but im kidding.. i wanted it back. spam or not
2018-11-09 15:23 <Ubit> ooops damm wrong mantis number
2018-11-09 15:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #5962 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-09 15:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5962: SUCCESS in 8 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5962/
2018-11-09 15:30 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8035: fix number of prims use to be from all owned parcels
2018-11-09 15:30 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8396: on access control, change viewer string to match so it does include the viewer name, not just version
2018-11-09 15:31 <osmantis> Bug #8405:04 Client version access control does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8405 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-09 15:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #5963 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-09 15:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5963: SUCCESS in 6 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5963/
2018-11-09 15:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: last commit was relative to mantis 8405 not 8396
2018-11-09 19:17 <osmantis> Bug #8405:04 Client version access control does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8405 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-10 00:00 <Ubit> osmantis just went to toilet
2018-11-10 00:16 <Metaworld> http://conference.opensimulator.org
2018-11-10 00:18 <Plugh> yup. 1 month to go.
2018-11-10 01:47 <BillBlight> yep just got my booth
2018-11-10 02:23 <osmantis> Bug #8406:04 llDialog() error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8406 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-11-10 02:29 <osmantis> Bug #8406:04 llDialog() error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8406 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-10 04:24 <osmantis> Bug #8406:04 llDialog() error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8406 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-10 06:14 <Tampa> Wonder how much money will be spent yet again stating the obvious and just talking and not getting anything done...
2018-11-10 08:47 <osmantis> Bug #8406:04 llDialog() error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8406 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2018-11-10 21:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #5964 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-10 21:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5964: SUCCESS in 8 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5964/
2018-11-10 21:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a bit more things to ScriptSyntax, change a few more incoerent lsl types in function arguments
2018-11-10 21:43 <osmantis> Bug #8402:04 [SCRIPT] OS llCastRay returns values in a different order than SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8402 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-10 21:53 <djphil> :o
2018-11-10 22:00 <osmantis> Bug #8402:04 [SCRIPT] OS llCastRay returns values in a different order than SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8402 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-10 22:26 <osmantis> Bug #8402:04 [SCRIPT] OS llCastRay returns values in a different order than SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8402 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-11-10 22:33 <osmantis> Bug #8402:04 [SCRIPT] OS llCastRay returns values in a different order than SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8402 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-11 03:12 <Plugh> danbanner: ping
2018-11-11 03:12 <danbanner> pong
2018-11-11 03:12 <Plugh> Hey, Dan. 
2018-11-11 03:12 <danbanner> hi
2018-11-11 03:13 <Plugh> Bill and I are helping someone who is trying to run a couple of Standalones connected to osgrid. One issue came up that should be noted on the osgrid website.
2018-11-11 03:14 <danbanner> the standard vs var in grid map?
2018-11-11 03:14 <Plugh> As Bill just mentioned the current version of OpenSimulator needs mono 5.x. I checked the osgrid website but I don't see that mentioned. You might want to add that.
2018-11-11 03:14 <danbanner> ahh
2018-11-11 03:14 <danbanner> ya i tweeted it at the time but i can add that to download page
2018-11-11 03:15 <Plugh> The person we are helping is using 4.6.2 and having a problem that sounds NAT/loopback related.
2018-11-11 03:15 <Plugh> ok, thanks. There are people out there that don't do Twitter. I'm one. :)
2018-11-11 03:15 <danbanner> ya 4.6.2 wont work too well
2018-11-11 03:16 <Plugh> It would also be worth adding a note about mono in the page "Running a simulator".
2018-11-11 03:17 <Plugh> Bill just mentioned you might need to fix the wiki too.
2018-11-11 03:17 <Plugh> A link to the mono download page for distros that are not up to date would also be helpful.
2018-11-11 03:18 <danbanner> https://www.osgrid.org/download.php
2018-11-11 03:20 <Plugh> ok. I hope people will be smart enough to realize that is 5.12 or later. Mono is already up to 5.16
2018-11-11 03:21 <Plugh> Thanks, danbanner
2018-11-11 03:23 <Aramis^> good to know, reinstalling OS and everything else in about 2 hours
2018-11-11 03:23 <Aramis^> whatever nebadon is running I'll consider safe lol damn I miss him here
2018-11-11 03:26 <Plugh> Aramis^: He has been known to make an appearance now and then but such appearances are rare these days.
2018-11-11 03:27 <Aramis^> yeah but at least he's able to do what he loves and can't argue with that, good for him
2018-11-11 03:28 <Plugh> danbanner: Another point is that it is better to run the code with the same version of mono that was used to compile it. If you use mono to compile the versions of OS that are put up on the website it might be worth mentioning what version of mono was used to compile the code.
2018-11-11 03:29 <danbanner> for the builds i use windows because they run under .net or mono fine
2018-11-11 03:29 <Aramis^> I have a quick question for you two, about workflow. I used to just always use the osgrid pkg, but I want to keep current and be able to help with testing and stuff, so I've been pulling into /opensim, what do I want to do next, copy the whole git master folder to somewhere else like /misc/opensim where I used to run things? nobody has really mentioned how and where they put things
2018-11-11 03:31 <Aramis^> in other words to not fuck up git in /opensim after compiling
2018-11-11 03:32 <Ubit> Aramis opensim git master is a working copy.. it can be broken
2018-11-11 03:33 <Aramis^> right I pull into /opensim so after compiling it, I want to copy it elsewhere to actually USE it
2018-11-11 03:33 <Aramis^> or can I leave regions.ini etc in where I pull to?
2018-11-11 03:33 <Ubit> Dan does the process of testing master, filtering the bad moments out :)
2018-11-11 03:34 <Ubit> regions.ini is beeing relative stable
2018-11-11 03:34 <Aramis^> yes but I want to be able to contribute more by running current instead of osgrid version
2018-11-11 03:34 <Ubit> the same cannot be said for the others.. they do change a lot more
2018-11-11 03:34 <Aramis^> i'm more afraid of messing up git than opensim so what should I do, copy /opensim to /misc/opensim and run it from there?
2018-11-11 03:34 <Ubit> you can have test regions on master
2018-11-11 03:35 <Ubit> keeping others on more "safe" osgrid distro
2018-11-11 03:35 <Aramis^> hm good idea actually, just keep a few on master
2018-11-11 03:35 <Aramis^> I always used to be so far behind I couldn't help find the bugs
2018-11-11 03:35 <Ubit> :)
2018-11-11 03:36 <Aramis^> I'd run the osgrid pkg till it broke
2018-11-11 03:36 <Aramis^> but for master can I actully run from where I pull into? or would that give git a fit?
2018-11-11 03:36 <Ubit> keeping ini files right is always a big needed pain :(
2018-11-11 03:37 <Aramis^> yes that I know better lol
2018-11-11 03:37 <Aramis^> I try them but if it won't run I go line by line
2018-11-11 03:37 <Ubit> you can run on same folder where you pull
2018-11-11 03:38 <Ubit> but if you do code changes locally you will have the funny git merge issues :)
2018-11-11 03:38 <Aramis^> ok I'll backup all the .ini's 
2018-11-11 03:39 <Aramis^> no won't be coding for awhile yet unfortunately
2018-11-11 03:39 <Ubit> we don't mess those
2018-11-11 03:39 <Ubit> our ini files are ini.example
2018-11-11 03:39 <Aramis^> right
2018-11-11 03:39 <Aramis^> I always grab that with new pkg
2018-11-11 03:40 <Aramis^> ok so I will run both, most regions on osgrid's latest, and a couple on master
2018-11-11 03:40 <Aramis^> I'm tired of waiting for slackware 15 to drop so I'm waiting on tonight's daily iso, and reinstalling EVERYTING
2018-11-11 03:40 <Aramis^> in about.... 2 hrs
2018-11-11 03:41 <Ubit> the test ones can even be just copies of your "good" ones
2018-11-11 03:41 <Aramis^> yeah they can be hey you're smart!
2018-11-11 03:41 <Ubit> that does improve compare
2018-11-11 03:41 <Ubit> yes im 
2018-11-11 03:41 <Ubit> lol
2018-11-11 03:41 <Aramis^> hehe
2018-11-11 03:42 <Ubit> ( been watching stargate atlantis and Dr macky ?)
2018-11-11 03:42 <Aramis^> funny I love sci-fi but just never got into stargates
2018-11-11 03:42 <Ubit> a very humble person :)
2018-11-11 03:43 <Ubit> i like atlantis a bit more than sg1
2018-11-11 03:43 <Aramis^> I've been watching next gen and voyager lately, couldn't get into deep space 9 either
2018-11-11 03:43 <Aramis^> ah cool
2018-11-11 03:43 <Aramis^> I've seen 1 or 2 of them
2018-11-11 03:43 <Ubit> of course not a match the last galactica :)
2018-11-11 03:44 <Ubit> for the
2018-11-11 03:44 <Ubit> or old babylon V
2018-11-11 03:44 <Aramis^> that I grabbed on dvd, first season I think I have
2018-11-11 03:45 <Ubit> i seen all seasons.. a few times lol
2018-11-11 03:45 <Aramis^> funny seeing old battlestar and even the other nite on buck rogers they had guest star jamie lee curtis from right after Halloween
2018-11-11 03:45 <Aramis^> nice
2018-11-11 03:45 <Aramis^> so I had to watch her
2018-11-11 03:45 <Aramis^> spandex
2018-11-11 03:45 <Aramis^> 
ACTION ducks

2018-11-11 03:45 <Ubit> last time was funny..  did it with my older kid .. almost non stop :)
2018-11-11 03:46 <Aramis^> that's the way to watch, we did Dexter every saturday Showtime ran 4 episodes in a row, it was great
2018-11-11 03:46 <Ubit> yeap :)
2018-11-11 03:47 <Ubit> and of course we had popcorn etc.. :)
2018-11-11 03:47 <Aramis^> well anyway thanks for your input, once I get reinstalled and back to the starting line I'll rejoin the grid, it's been since like 2015 since I ran anything here
2018-11-11 03:48 <Aramis^> yes I need to find movie-theater butter for home
2018-11-11 03:48 <Ubit> you missed a lot of funny crashes :p
2018-11-11 03:48 <Aramis^> I read about 'em lol
2018-11-11 03:48 <Ubit> :)
2018-11-11 03:48 <Aramis^> always keep this running unless the power kills it
2018-11-11 03:49 <Aramis^> and now having to register the nick, it won't rejoin automatically
2018-11-11 03:49 <Aramis^> but one idiot ruins it for all
2018-11-11 03:49 <Ubit> some clients do auto auth also
2018-11-11 03:50 <Aramis^> could probably script it here in mIRC but haven't done that in decades
2018-11-11 03:50 <Ubit> or put the nick password on the server login password
2018-11-11 03:50 <Aramis^> I should register this probably too... lol
2018-11-11 03:50 <Aramis^> ...and winrar and ...
2018-11-11 03:51 <Aramis^> hey anyone remember UUEncode? lol
2018-11-11 03:51 <Aramis^> and pkzip
2018-11-11 03:51 <Ubit> nahh no one remembers that :p
2018-11-11 03:51 <Aramis^> yikes 
2018-11-11 03:51 <Ubit> :)
2018-11-11 03:51 <Aramis^> kermit?
2018-11-11 03:51 <Aramis^> trumpet winsock?
2018-11-11 03:52 <Ubit> you are telling your age you know ?
2018-11-11 03:52 <Aramis^> windows not including a web browser?
2018-11-11 03:52 <Aramis^> yep
2018-11-11 03:52 <Aramis^> haha
2018-11-11 03:52 <Aramis^> but mentally... I'm still 14
2018-11-11 03:52 <Ubit> then having IE telling "use me" all the time and killing the other ones
2018-11-11 03:53 <Aramis^> right I still have copies of the Win95 preview cd that was $1   sold all my copies of Microsoft Bob tho
2018-11-11 03:54 <Aramis^> now I use Opera believe it or not mainly, my friend kept trying to get me to use it and I put it off. when I finally did I love it
2018-11-11 03:54 <Aramis^> based on chrome I think
2018-11-11 03:54 <Aramis^> I keep FF loaded for safety with noscript and adblock, I use that if I think a site might be risky
2018-11-11 03:56 <Aramis^> but even NY Times isn't safe anymore sadly
2018-11-11 03:56 <Ubit> yeap
2018-11-11 03:56 <Aramis^> they can be infected for hours before finding out
2018-11-11 03:57 <Aramis^> off topic even more:  anyone familiar with Android Studio? Going to install it and it wants Java SDK, should I use Java 8.x or new 11.x?
2018-11-11 03:58 <Aramis^> (fuck oracle btw)
2018-11-11 04:00 <Aramis^> here comes the pain...  http://bear.alienbase.nl/mirrors/slackware/slackware64-current-iso/  he makes a daily .iso automagically so I am waiting for 11/10 install date
2018-11-11 04:02 <Plugh> hehe... i remember uuencode, pkzip, and winsock.
2018-11-11 04:03 <Aramis^> phew!
2018-11-11 04:03 <Aramis^> I wuz worried
2018-11-11 04:03 <Aramis^> cp/m on an old amstrad, mbasic by a little company called MicroSoft
2018-11-11 04:04 <Aramis^> serial ports lol
2018-11-11 04:05 <Aramis^> I was translating a nice database program for c64 into cp/m to use for cataloging video tapes
2018-11-11 04:05 <Plugh> CP/M ftw. :)
2018-11-11 04:05 <Aramis^> it wasn't bad actually
2018-11-11 04:08 <Aramis^> oh I found this the other day  https://www.howtogeek.com/fyi/windows-10-still-wont-let-you-use-these-file-names-reserved-in-1974/
2018-11-11 04:08 <Aramis^> can't name files like con.txt or lpt0.txt etc
2018-11-11 04:09 <Aramis^> because back then... "everything is a file"
2018-11-11 04:09 <Aramis^> console, printer ports etc treated as files
2018-11-11 04:14 <Plugh> ah, right. I remember con:
2018-11-11 04:27 <BillBlight> I just created a text file from the windows command line and made it con.txt
2018-11-11 04:28 <BillBlight> as I was curious
2018-11-11 04:28 <BillBlight> 11/10/2018  11:28 PM               475 lpt0.txt
2018-11-11 04:28 <BillBlight> 11/10/2018  11:26 PM               475 con.txt
2018-11-11 04:29 <Aramis^> hm i'm on 7 here and with notepad it didn't work, didn't think to try cmd
2018-11-11 04:30 <BillBlight> most likely it is old leftover code in windows explorer
2018-11-11 04:30 <BillBlight> not in the OS itself 
2018-11-11 04:31 <Aramis^> says Rename The specified device name is invalid  with notepad
2018-11-11 04:31 <Aramis^> true
2018-11-11 04:31 <Aramis^> well that's not a true "DOS" command line anyomre either right
2018-11-11 04:31 <Aramis^> what did you use, edlin? :)
2018-11-11 04:34 <Aramis^> wow, just typed help on command line, been a very long time hehe
2018-11-11 04:56 <BillBlight> I just did a dir > con.txt
2018-11-11 04:57 <Ubit> that used to be a direct bsod no?
2018-11-11 04:57 <Ubit> on 95?
2018-11-11 04:57 <BillBlight> yep
2018-11-11 04:57 <BillBlight> lol
2018-11-11 04:58 <Ubit> there was a irc thing doing that :)
2018-11-11 04:58 <Ubit> on irc nuke wares
2018-11-11 04:58 <Ubit> wars
2018-11-11 04:58 <BillBlight> although
2018-11-11 04:58 <BillBlight> it would not let me delete con.txt with del
2018-11-11 04:59 <BillBlight> but weird error about volume name
2018-11-11 04:59 <Ubit> you did asked from trouble :p
2018-11-11 04:59 <BillBlight> I had to use cygwin to delete it
2018-11-11 04:59 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-11-11 04:59 <Ubit> how did u survice mil service?
2018-11-11 05:00 <BillBlight> askign for trouble is like a hobby
2018-11-11 05:00 <Ubit> "don't touch that ied"  BUMMMM
2018-11-11 05:00 <BillBlight> I was an engineer in the army, trouble was what we did
2018-11-11 05:00 <Ubit> ahh oyu where the crazy actually called to touch the things :p
2018-11-11 05:00 <BillBlight> you don't get sane people to deal with land mines and IEDs
2018-11-11 05:01 <Ubit> no you don't :p
2018-11-11 05:01 <BillBlight> yes it was actually my job to touch the scary stuff
2018-11-11 05:02 <Ubit> gezz seenig a doc about crimean war...
2018-11-11 05:02 <Ubit> whata non-sense
2018-11-11 05:02 <Ubit> and not only the charge of the light brigade
2018-11-11 05:04 <BillBlight> Cannon to right of them,
2018-11-11 05:04 <BillBlight> Cannon to left of them,
2018-11-11 05:04 <BillBlight> Cannon in front of them
2018-11-11 05:04 <BillBlight>    Volleyed and thundered;
2018-11-11 05:04 <Ubit> yeap
2018-11-11 05:04 <Ubit> the 600 into valley of death rided
2018-11-11 05:04 <Ubit> or something
2018-11-11 05:04 <BillBlight> Stormed at with shot and shell,
2018-11-11 05:04 <BillBlight> Boldly they rode and well,
2018-11-11 05:04 <BillBlight> Into the jaws of Death,
2018-11-11 05:04 <BillBlight> Into the mouth of hell
2018-11-11 05:04 <BillBlight>    Rode the six hundred.
2018-11-11 05:04 <Ubit> or that :)
2018-11-11 05:05 <Ubit> i did ear that on this doc... yesterday :)
2018-11-11 05:05 <BillBlight> I used to have that poem memorized did a report on it at one time
2018-11-11 05:05 <Ubit> told to recover the few cannons the russian that taken from turks
2018-11-11 05:06 <BillBlight> I always chose stuff that made the hicks I went to school with go  .. "huh , what the hell is that?"
2018-11-11 05:06 <Ubit> and they charge into the center of all the russian army
2018-11-11 05:06 <Ubit> bc there was a little hill hidding the captured guns from their view
2018-11-11 05:07 <Ubit> the only guns they seen where the ones of the russian main army
2018-11-11 05:07 <Ubit> so happly they charged :)
2018-11-11 05:07 <BillBlight> yeah not so happy
2018-11-11 05:09 <Ubit> the french comander said something like ohh Wonderful charge, but this is not war this is stupidity 
2018-11-11 05:09 <Ubit> but that was not the most stupid thing that happened
2018-11-11 05:10 <Ubit> actually valley of death was another battle
2018-11-11 05:11 <Ubit> that russians managed to lose lol
2018-11-11 05:13 <Ubit> oops didn't know that leo tolstoy was a lieutenant on that war
2018-11-11 05:14 <Ubit> ok now i understand war and peace better :p
2018-11-11 05:18 <Aramis^> wow, this is gonna take a few mins to catch up lol!
2018-11-11 05:23 <Aramis^> so sitting here waiting for the new .iso to come online... after 5 hours... I think, "but what if there WERE no new package updates today..."  :S
2018-11-11 05:23 <Aramis^> so I'm gonna dl and get started... 5 hours late! (The pain started early!)
2018-11-11 05:25 <Aramis^> and how come nobody told me Blackberrys were so well made??? just picked up an old one in an auction lot along with sega dreamcast
2018-11-11 05:28 <Aramis^> checked the mailing list, no packages updated since the 5th, I'm an idiot  grr
2018-11-11 11:51 <osmantis> Bug #8402:04 [SCRIPT] OS llCastRay returns values in a different order than SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8402 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-11 14:50 <osmantis> Bug #8402:04 [SCRIPT] OS llCastRay returns values in a different order than SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8402 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-11 15:00 <osmantis> Bug #8402:04 [SCRIPT] OS llCastRay returns values in a different order than SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8402 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-11 18:56 <Plugh> OS wants to be compiled with msbuild but when neither the distro nor a self-compiled mono offers msbuild it turns in to a major hassle to get it.
2018-11-11 18:57 <Tampa> Why self compile mono?
2018-11-11 18:57 <Plugh> I get a newer version than available for the distro.
2018-11-11 18:57 <Tampa> How backwards is that distro o_O
2018-11-11 18:58 <Tampa> Honestly though just compiling mono you need a few more dependencies as well like glib and some other stuff I don't remember anymore
2018-11-11 18:59 <Tampa> You can use nant or xbuild too, at least nant should still work fine, not sure about xbuild
2018-11-11 19:30 <Ubit> xbuild still works
2018-11-11 19:57 <Plugh> Found the info and repos I need to install mono-complete 5.16 on my machine and the machines I manage and installed the separate msbuild package. Wouldn't you know it. msbuild throws a compile error that xbuild never did.
2018-11-11 19:57 <Plugh> Duplicate targetFramework error on three of the addon modules I use.
2018-11-11 19:57 <Plugh> :P
2018-11-11 20:16 <BillBlight> Plugh, use their nightly repo duh
2018-11-11 20:16 <BillBlight> https://www.mono-project.com/download/nightly/#download-lin
2018-11-11 20:18 <BillBlight> and newer?  the main repo from mono is updated with stable, unless you want to use unstable, why are you wanting "newer"
2018-11-11 20:19 <BillBlight> This may be the reason problems follow you around Plugh
2018-11-11 20:24 <Plugh> Definitely not. I don't want to be testing mono. I want to use a stable version of it.
2018-11-11 20:25 <BillBlight> then their direct repos are the best answer not downloading and compiling
2018-11-11 20:25 <BillBlight> https://www.mono-project.com/download/stable/#download-lin
2018-11-11 20:28 <Plugh> BillBlight: I already mentioned I found the info to install from repos. 
2018-11-11 20:29 <BillBlight> it is easy to find right on their site
2018-11-11 20:29 <BillBlight> :P
2018-11-11 20:32 <Plugh> I'm now dealing with compile errors and warnings spit out by msbuild that didn't appear when compiling using xbuild.
2018-11-11 20:34 <BillBlight> don't worry about them there should only be 3 warnings
2018-11-11 20:34 <BillBlight> and you are not going to be able to fix them without breaking things
2018-11-11 20:35 <BillBlight> considering there used to be well over 100 warnings, take the win
2018-11-11 20:35 <BillBlight> xbuild does not see that warning because 1,) it does not understand it , 2.) it does not care
2018-11-11 20:37 <Ubit> and to use msbuild you need to do some fixes to modules prebuild.xml
2018-11-11 20:37 <Ubit> or second time you compile you will get a few more odd warnings
2018-11-11 20:38 <Plugh> Good. 8 warnings and 0 errors.
2018-11-11 20:38 <BillBlight> I only get 3
2018-11-11 20:38 <BillBlight> hmmm
2018-11-11 20:38 <Plugh> The extra warnings are from the addon modules I'm using.
2018-11-11 20:38 <BillBlight> actually I only get 1 but I get 3 with dev master
2018-11-11 20:39 <BillBlight> No I did not fix the warnings I hid them because I was tired of looking at them, and they are senseless
2018-11-11 20:39 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-11-11 20:39 <Ubit> :)
2018-11-11 20:40 <Plugh> This one looks worrisome -> Found conflicts between different versions of the same dependent assembly.
2018-11-11 20:41 <Plugh> The file reference is OpenSimulator/opensim-master/OpenSim/Region/Application/OpenSim.csproj
2018-11-11 20:42 <Plugh> In addon modules I'm seeing "Could not locate the assembly" which means I'm missing a using statement or something in the module prebuild.xml file, or a module name changed.
2018-11-11 20:57 <Plugh> 3 warnings, 0 errors. :)
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2018-11-12 11:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #5965 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-12 13:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5965: SUCCESS in 2 hr 19 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5965/
2018-11-12 13:42 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: ubOde: remove support for old native ODE lib; make inplace terrain changes, if possible
2018-11-12 13:42 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: pesty warning
2018-11-12 15:51 <Ubit> 2 hours? gezz
2018-11-12 16:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #5966 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-12 16:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5966: SUCCESS in 15 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5966/
2018-11-12 16:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a http error response
2018-11-12 19:51 <Plugh> Does AllowAvatarCrossing also prevent TP's between regions?
2018-11-12 20:45 <BillBlight> Not sure but how would that be more effective than just setting the estate setting to deny anybody not on the list?
2018-11-12 20:46 <BillBlight> but I guess it would prvent accidental fly-ins by neighbors
2018-11-12 20:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #5967 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-12 20:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5967: SUCCESS in 6 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5967/
2018-11-12 20:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: FSAssets: truncate assets name and description to max size
2018-11-12 22:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #5968 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-12 23:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5968: SUCCESS in 7 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5968/
2018-11-12 23:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: BuySell: a few changes on sell copy
2018-11-12 23:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #5969 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-12 23:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5969: SUCCESS in 6 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5969/
2018-11-12 23:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few changes to deattach object update
2018-11-12 23:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #5970 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-13 00:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5970: FAILURE in 6 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5970/
2018-11-13 00:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: similar changes on CopyBundleToInventory
2018-11-13 00:01 <Ubit> of course
2018-11-13 00:11 <BillBlight> damn tests
2018-11-13 00:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #5971 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #5969 1 hr 37 min ago)
2018-11-13 01:05 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2018-11-13 01:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5971: FIXED in 6 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5971/
2018-11-13 01:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops
2018-11-13 01:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #5972 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2018-11-13 01:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5972: SUCCESS in 6 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5972/
2018-11-13 01:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: some cleaup
2018-11-13 01:40 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-11-13 01:47 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-11-13 01:48 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-11-13 01:49 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-13 01:52 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-13 01:56 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-13 02:01 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-13 02:05 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-13 02:16 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-13 02:18 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-13 02:19 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-13 02:20 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-13 02:21 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-13 02:26 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-13 03:20 <Plugh> woah! That's a ton of activity for a bug report.
2018-11-13 19:00 <Ubit> meeting at osg dev outreach
2018-11-13 19:01 <Ubit> you are late Plugh :)
2018-11-13 19:01 <BillBlight> the only meeting he is on time for are the ones nobody shows up to
2018-11-13 19:01 <BillBlight> packed house today
2018-11-13 19:04 <Plugh> Didn't notice what time it was. I offered to top up the bird feeders. Just got back in.
2018-11-14 06:21 <osmantis> Bug #8408:04 Bulletsim fails to display any mesh object in Grid mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8408 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-11-14 06:31 <osmantis> Bug #8408:04 Bulletsim fails to display any mesh object in Grid mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8408 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008306.
2018-11-14 06:31 <osmantis> Bug #8306:04 mesh object do not work with current bullet-sim physics.. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8306 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008408.
2018-11-14 11:16 <osmantis> Bug #8408:04 Bulletsim fails to display any mesh object in Grid mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-14 11:41 <osmantis> Bug #8408:04 Bulletsim fails to display any mesh object in Grid mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-14 11:57 <osmantis> Bug #8408:04 Bulletsim fails to display any mesh object in Grid mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-14 12:12 <osmantis> Bug #8408:04 Bulletsim fails to display any mesh object in Grid mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-14 13:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #5973 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-14 13:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5973: SUCCESS in 8 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5973/
2018-11-14 13:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: replace RemoteParcelRequest response encoding ( runprebuild needed)
2018-11-14 14:11 <osmantis> Bug #8408:04 Bulletsim fails to display any mesh object in Grid mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-14 15:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #5974 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-14 15:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5974: SUCCESS in 6 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5974/
2018-11-14 15:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: replace Enviroment response encoding ( runprebuild needed)
2018-11-14 16:01 <osmantis> Bug #8408:04 Bulletsim fails to display any mesh object in Grid mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-14 16:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #5975 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-14 16:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5975: SUCCESS in 6 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5975/
2018-11-14 16:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: simplify a bit some caps paths
2018-11-14 16:51 <osmantis> Bug #8408:04 Bulletsim fails to display any mesh object in Grid mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-14 16:54 <osmantis> Bug #8408:04 Bulletsim fails to display any mesh object in Grid mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-14 17:03 <osmantis> Bug #8408:04 Bulletsim fails to display any mesh object in Grid mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-14 17:09 <osmantis> Bug #8408:04 Bulletsim fails to display any mesh object in Grid mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-14 17:09 <osmantis> Bug #8408:04 Bulletsim fails to display any mesh object in Grid mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-14 17:11 <osmantis> Bug #8408:04 Bulletsim fails to display any mesh object in Grid mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-14 17:20 <osmantis> Bug #8408:04 Bulletsim fails to display any mesh object in Grid mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-14 17:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #5976 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-14 17:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5976: SUCCESS in 6 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5976/
2018-11-14 17:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: take login service out of basicDOSprot (too little, too late)
2018-11-14 17:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #5977 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-14 17:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5977: SUCCESS in 6 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5977/
2018-11-14 17:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: take friends out of basicDOSprot (too little, too late)
2018-11-14 18:39 <osmantis> Bug #8306:04 mesh object do not work with current bullet-sim physics.. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8306 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-14 18:42 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-14 19:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #5978 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-14 19:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5978: SUCCESS in 6 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5978/
2018-11-14 19:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  change ossl link sound functions to search for sound both on script host and target prims
2018-11-14 20:03 <osmantis> Bug #8409:04 Failure to verify (foreign grid versus 127.0.0.1) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8409 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-11-14 20:04 <Plugh> Target prim *and* the script host?? Hm... I suppose there may be some benefit to handling it that way for scripts. Now I will have to update all the OSSL sound function wiki pages that I only just recently finished creating. :P
2018-11-14 20:05 <BillBlight> There goes Ferd again with that mantis, he does not seem to know how networking actually works
2018-11-14 20:06 <Plugh> "hairpin Opensim traffic"?
2018-11-14 20:06 <BillBlight> loopback
2018-11-14 20:06 <BillBlight> is what he means
2018-11-14 20:07 <Plugh> yea, I figured that is what he meant. An interesting way to phrase it.
2018-11-14 20:07 <BillBlight> does he not understand how EVERY piece of networking on the planet works
2018-11-14 20:08 <BillBlight> this is also not the first time he has tried to get this "fixed"
2018-11-14 20:08 <BillBlight> he only wants it fixed because of his brain dead, one click button , outworldz users
2018-11-14 20:08 <Plugh> I see one problem right away -> 127.0.0.1<tab>www.outworldz.com
2018-11-14 20:08 <BillBlight> well yes
2018-11-14 20:08 <Plugh> I remember when the /etc/hosts file had a comment that said don't do that.
2018-11-14 20:22 <osmantis> Bug #8409:04 Failure to verify (foreign grid versus 127.0.0.1) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8409 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-14 20:22 <BillBlight> ok maybe that was a little harsh , but yeah
2018-11-14 20:26 <BillBlight> it really annoys me because he is trying to get the software fixed just so his brainless outworldz users can just click a button and have a world regardless of how cheap and bad their network is, and so they don't have to learn anything .
2018-11-14 20:26 <Ubit> grrr ossl wiki ethernaly wrong
2018-11-14 20:26 <BillBlight> well yeah
2018-11-14 20:27 <Ubit> there is no LSL_FLoat or Double etc visible on scripts
2018-11-14 20:27 <Ubit> grrr
2018-11-14 20:27 <BillBlight> yes  people just taking info from the commits and just pasting it in , not really knowing what it means
2018-11-14 20:28 <Ubit> and key, always a confusion
2018-11-14 21:09 <Ubit> well changed a few more, specially some recently added
2018-11-14 21:24 <osmantis> Bug #8409:04 Failure to verify (foreign grid versus 127.0.0.1) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8409 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-14 21:29 <Plugh> If any recently added OSSL page mentions things like LSL_Float, and similar, that is a C&P error.
2018-11-14 21:29 <Ubit> yeap 
2018-11-14 21:29 <Plugh> I'll update the OSSL sound pages in a while. Just finishing something else.
2018-11-14 21:30 <Ubit> already did
2018-11-14 21:30 <Ubit> review
2018-11-14 21:30 <Ubit> hmm and we do not want to show c# syntax
2018-11-14 21:37 <Plugh> That's probably from the time scripts in C# were permitted.
2018-11-14 21:37 <Ubit> sure
2018-11-14 21:46 <Plugh> I would have updated the description to state the current behaviour and used the notes area to say that before a specific commit didn't include a check of the scripts prim when looking for the sound.
2018-11-14 21:47 <Plugh> The main thing is the information is there for those that care to read it and the pages updated right after the code was changed. 
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2018-11-14 22:01 <Plugh> Ubit, I noticed you removed the 0.1 second delay in osAdjustSoundVolume but left in the 1 second delay on osPreloadSound.
2018-11-14 22:02 <Plugh> Those delays matched those of the ll functions. 
2018-11-14 22:14 <osmantis> Bug #8409:04 Failure to verify (foreign grid versus 127.0.0.1) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8409 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-14 22:16 <osmantis> Bug #8409:04 Failure to verify (foreign grid versus 127.0.0.1) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8409 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-14 22:27 <osmantis> Bug #8409:04 Failure to verify (foreign grid versus 127.0.0.1) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8409 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-14 22:48 <osmantis> Bug #8409:04 Failure to verify (foreign grid versus 127.0.0.1) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8409 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-14 22:55 <Plugh> Hm... in a standard sized region while running Standalone I get 38 requests for the regions ExternalHostName when changing the region terrain.
2018-11-14 22:58 <Plugh> Seems a little excessive.
2018-11-14 23:00 <osmantis> Bug #8409:04 Failure to verify (foreign grid versus 127.0.0.1) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8409 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-14 23:17 <osmantis> Bug #8409:04 Failure to verify (foreign grid versus 127.0.0.1) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8409 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-14 23:19 <Plugh> Bah. That should have said OpenSim.ini.example. :P
2018-11-14 23:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #5979 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-14 23:22 <Ubit> fixing my typos making a typo :p
2018-11-14 23:23 <osmantis> Bug #8409:04 Failure to verify (foreign grid versus 127.0.0.1) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8409 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-14 23:27 <Tampa> tabs are superior, all hail tabs, death to space
2018-11-14 23:27 <Tampa> jk
2018-11-14 23:28 <Ubit> i edit that with a thing that does add tabs
2018-11-14 23:28 <Ubit> or did
2018-11-14 23:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5979: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5979/
2018-11-14 23:28 <osjenkins> * kevin: De-tabified OpenSim.ini and made trivial fixes to two comments.
2018-11-14 23:28 <osjenkins> * kevin: Fixed spelling error (availble -> available)
2018-11-14 23:28 <Ubit> gezzz no fail 
2018-11-14 23:28 <Ubit> :p
2018-11-14 23:29 <osmantis> Bug #8409:04 Failure to verify (foreign grid versus 127.0.0.1) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8409 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-14 23:31 <Ubit> damm hidden the option to use spaces :)
2018-11-14 23:33 <osmantis> Bug #8409:04 Failure to verify (foreign grid versus 127.0.0.1) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8409 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-14 23:42 <osmantis> Bug #8409:04 Failure to verify (foreign grid versus 127.0.0.1) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8409 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007405.
2018-11-14 23:42 <osmantis> Bug #7405:04 Unable to HGTP home to a self-hosted region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7405 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008409.
2018-11-15 00:24 <Aramis^> Plugh any immediate neighbors?
2018-11-15 00:24 <Plugh> None
2018-11-15 00:24 <Aramis^> ow
2018-11-15 00:34 <Plugh> This is strange. A change to one of the terrain texture tiles winds triggers sending of update_covenant requests.
2018-11-15 00:34 <Plugh> s/winds triggers/winds up triggering/
2018-11-15 00:37 <BillBlight> how big is the region?
2018-11-15 00:38 <Plugh> It is a 2x2 var
2018-11-15 00:38 <BillBlight> so it is 4 tiles, times 4 textures times the height map and a few other things
2018-11-15 00:39 <Plugh> and 5 times that for the number of covenant updates.
2018-11-15 00:39 <BillBlight> actually more than 4 tiles, but that is the gist
2018-11-15 00:39 <BillBlight> each update is a full update
2018-11-15 00:39 <BillBlight> which is the same reason opening the region properties box resets the windlight
2018-11-15 00:39 <Plugh> I noticed. It is updating all kinds of stuff besides just the terrain texture.
2018-11-15 00:39 <BillBlight> all the settings are sent as a package
2018-11-15 00:40 <Plugh> Is that the SL way things are done or this some odd code issue?
2018-11-15 00:42 <Ubit> oh that mantis stopped ?
2018-11-15 00:43 <BillBlight> well even in SL if you open the region panel it resets your windlight, so I am guessing same thing, viewer sends all the estate data back as a package
2018-11-15 00:53 <BillBlight> yeah he went quiet on that post after I put the relation there ...
2018-11-15 00:55 <Plugh> :)
2018-11-15 01:30 <BillBlight> ohh an idiot proofing patch ...  sigh
2018-11-15 01:37 <Plugh> That caveat needs to be added to the LSL implementation wiki page as it isn't something mentioned in the LSL wiki pages for SL.
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2018-11-15 01:59 <BillBlight> well it is a dumb thing to do anyway, I mean really, geeze , it is not a caveat it is a STUPID THING TO DO
2018-11-15 02:00 <Ubit> :)
2018-11-15 02:03 <Plugh> We know that but there are still people that have done it and probably will do it in the future. :)
2018-11-15 02:14 <Ubit> well and guess lots of scripts with it
2018-11-15 02:14 <Ubit> and ppl see nothing.. just the object is dead :)
2018-11-15 02:14 <Ubit> or looks dead
2018-11-15 02:14 <Ubit> cpu load on other hand...
2018-11-15 02:16 <Plugh> yup
2018-11-15 03:14 <BillBlight> so again, just letting idiots be idiots ...
2018-11-15 17:30 <osmantis> Bug #8409:04 Failure to verify (foreign grid versus 127.0.0.1) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8409 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-15 17:51 <Melanie_T> Ubit: the handling of llResetScript isn't correct with your change
2018-11-15 17:51 <Ubit> what is the issue with that?
2018-11-15 17:51 <Melanie_T> default { state_entry can be reached by executing state default; 
2018-11-15 17:52 <Melanie_T> in that case a user who writes thies expects global vars to be returned to initial states and queues to be cleared
2018-11-15 17:52 <Melanie_T> no actual jump needs to tke place, so no danger of a loop. X would have created a loop so there was no choice. but Y can handle it correctly nd clear everything
2018-11-15 17:54 <Ubit> as was Y will loop
2018-11-15 17:55 <Ubit> noticed that is only on API reset, not script reset ?
2018-11-15 17:55 <Melanie_T> the programmer expects llResetScript() to clear the variables
2018-11-15 17:55 <Melanie_T> and to clear the queues
2018-11-15 17:56 <Melanie_T> with your change, that no longer happens
2018-11-15 17:56 <Melanie_T> correct behaviour is to do what SL does
2018-11-15 17:56 <Melanie_T> reset the script unless it has just been reset
2018-11-15 17:56 <Melanie_T> so state default; would enter state_entry
2018-11-15 17:56 <Melanie_T> llResetScript would occur
2018-11-15 17:57 <Melanie_T> and state)entry would be reentered, detecting that the script has just been reset, and ignore it that time around
2018-11-15 18:06 <Ubit> love when you talk about what sl does, not really knowing how it is today
2018-11-15 18:07 <Ubit> sl loops for ever
2018-11-15 18:07 <BillBlight> yep
2018-11-15 18:09 <Ubit> really see abs no use for llresetscript on default state entry
2018-11-15 18:11 <Ubit> another thing to clear event queues at its end.. possible but proper clear api name
2018-11-15 18:12 <Melanie_T> meh? it used to be perfectly legal in sl
2018-11-15 18:12 <Ubit> it loops mel
2018-11-15 18:13 <Melanie_T> if SL loops now, so should we
2018-11-15 18:13 <Melanie_T> but i don't want to have a fight
2018-11-15 18:13 <Ubit> stays there loopins like crazy
2018-11-15 18:13 <Melanie_T> because the fact that it loops is useless
2018-11-15 18:13 <Melanie_T> sp it's fine to do that ignoring
2018-11-15 18:13 <Ubit> came on, fighting is our natural state :)
2018-11-15 18:13 <Melanie_T> i pick my fights
2018-11-15 18:14 <Melanie_T> and this i consider a bug even in sl
2018-11-15 18:14 <Melanie_T> so we don't have to replicate it as it has no uses
2018-11-15 18:14 <Ubit> possible
2018-11-15 18:14 <Melanie_T> and no useful side effects
2018-11-15 18:14 <Ubit> i don't see any beeing like that
2018-11-15 18:15 <Ubit> sure clear events after a large start event could be usefull
2018-11-15 18:15 <Ubit> since y does allow for long ones now
2018-11-15 18:15 <Melanie_T> well, way i see it, we can decide between two behaviours
2018-11-15 18:15 <Melanie_T> one, be like SL
2018-11-15 18:15 <Melanie_T> two, be like X
2018-11-15 18:15 <Melanie_T> and here the sl behaviour makes no sense
2018-11-15 18:16 <Ubit> X does some cleaning
2018-11-15 18:16 <Melanie_T> all it causes is a hung script
2018-11-15 18:16 <Ubit> not easy to do on current Y
2018-11-15 18:16 <Melanie_T> then we should o that, too
2018-11-15 18:16 <Ubit> so i just chose to ignore that reset
2018-11-15 18:30 <Ubit> no we can't do that, bc a lot of scripts do have llResetScript on state_entry, bc X didn't care
2018-11-15 18:31 <Ubit> ( that is after all how i got here ... :p )
2018-11-15 18:32 <Ubit> just used a lightshare controler to test other thing, and poff 
2018-11-15 18:32 <Ubit> the damm object was just dead
2018-11-15 18:34 <Ubit> took me several seconds to guess the issue that is several hours for a normal user, a few hours 
2018-11-15 18:34 <Ubit> ( Dr McKay moment lol )
2018-11-15 18:35 <Ubit> uff seen the last episode od last season again yesterday ( sg atlantis)
2018-11-15 18:48 <osmantis> Bug #8409:04 Failure to verify (foreign grid versus 127.0.0.1) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8409 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-11-15 20:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #5980 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-15 20:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5980: SUCCESS in 8 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5980/
2018-11-15 20:39 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Yengine: ignore llResetScript() in default state_entry like X does. No idea why some do it, but do
2018-11-15 20:39 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Yengine: remove potencial log spam
2018-11-15 20:39 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove CM api, add replacement ossl functions, as i should had done on the merge of avination code contrib. (runprebuild)
2018-11-15 20:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #5981 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-15 20:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5981: SUCCESS in 8 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5981/
2018-11-15 20:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update script syntax
2018-11-15 21:02 <osmantis> Bug #8408:04 Bulletsim fails to display any mesh object in Grid mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-15 22:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #5982 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-15 22:31 <osmantis> Bug #8408:04 Bulletsim fails to display any mesh object in Grid mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-15 22:36 <Ubit> oh jenkins.. that was just one line :(
2018-11-16 01:42 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-16 01:42 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2018-11-16 07:33 <BillBlight> uggg, have to rewrite a bunch of scripts back DOWN to .8x , been using some .9x script functions for almost 2 years, and now comes OSCC .. uggg
2018-11-16 07:36 <osmantis> Bug #8408:04 Bulletsim fails to display any mesh object in Grid mode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8408 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-17 20:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #5983 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-17 20:26 <Ubit> opos
2018-11-17 21:19 <osmantis> Bug #8382:04 TP some time fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8382 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-17 21:21 <osmantis> Bug #8382:04 TP some time fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8382 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-17 21:23 <osmantis> Bug #8382:04 TP some time fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8382 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-17 21:33 <osmantis> Bug #8382:04 TP some time fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8382 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-17 22:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5983: SUCCESS in 2 hr 32 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5983/
2018-11-17 22:54 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: avoid a null ref on Bullet
2018-11-17 22:54 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: code aesthetics
2018-11-17 22:54 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: code aesthetics
2018-11-17 22:54 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: code aesthetics
2018-11-17 22:54 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: code aesthetics and simplification
2018-11-17 22:54 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: a few more changes to pbs
2018-11-17 23:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #5984 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-17 23:05 <Ubit> go jenkins... you can do it..
2018-11-17 23:08 <Ubit> later jenkins? ok
2018-11-18 06:43 <roguezork> l
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2018-11-18 18:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #5985 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-18 19:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5985: SUCCESS in 30 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5985/
2018-11-18 19:21 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: ooops
2018-11-18 19:21 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: code aesthetics
2018-11-18 19:21 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: code aesthetics
2018-11-18 19:21 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: code aesthetics
2018-11-18 19:21 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: ohh we have build instructions on git also ;)
2018-11-18 19:21 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: don't share SHA256CryptoServiceProvider (can be improved)
2018-11-18 19:21 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: typos
2018-11-18 19:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #5986 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-11-18 22:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #5987 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-18 22:47 <Ubit> grrr
2018-11-19 13:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #5988 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-19 13:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5988: SUCCESS in 8 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5988/
2018-11-19 13:44 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove odd ossl function
2018-11-19 13:44 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: update osslEnable
2018-11-19 13:44 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: some cleanup
2018-11-19 13:44 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add a few string functions to OSSL
2018-11-19 13:44 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: update script syntax
2018-11-19 13:44 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: update osslEnable
2018-11-19 13:44 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: removed repeated lines
2018-11-19 13:44 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: another change to Building md file
2018-11-19 13:44 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: another change to building.md
2018-11-19 13:44 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: a few changes to README.md
2018-11-19 14:02 <osmantis> Bug #8410:04 llSay and llWhisper always emit from root prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8410 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-19 14:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #5989 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-19 14:11 <osmantis> Bug #8410:04 llSay and llWhisper always emit from root prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8410 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-19 14:12 <Ubit> grr and llshout
2018-11-19 14:12 <Ubit> oops its there :)
2018-11-19 14:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5989: SUCCESS in 6 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5989/
2018-11-19 14:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8410: llwhisper, llSay and llShout emit from the source prim not root
2018-11-19 17:49 <snik> hi folks - I just updated to the latest unstable master - and now i'm getting horrendous script error spewage on the console, even after setting my sims to delete script on startup - any magical fox for this?
2018-11-19 17:49 <snik> or magical fix, even, lol
2018-11-19 17:56 <BillBlight> try deleting addin-db-002 directory in your bin directory, some unneeded modules were removed in the last few commits
2018-11-19 17:57 <snik> cool OK Bill i'll give that a go
2018-11-19 17:58 <snik> btw i'm using version 65310f3 2018-11-18 01:01:39 +0000 fyi
2018-11-19 17:59 <BillBlight> did you use your osslEnable.ini, make sure you have it set to allow all the things you did before you updated, that coudl cause it too
2018-11-19 18:00 <snik> yeah Bill, but i'm not seeing OSSL functions causing the errors, as one would expect if it was the OSSenable.ini file at fauilt
2018-11-19 18:00 <BillBlight> hehe, that is why I asked just covering the bases ..
2018-11-19 18:01 <snik> no worries Bill :)
2018-11-19 18:08 <zadark> snik, we have a set of opensim installation that auto update and follow dev/master. All have scripts, the dance balls etc, but we have not seen anything unusual. Maybe a specific script or script function  you use
2018-11-19 18:10 <snik> hi zadark - no this seemed to be a more general error - as i was seeing a good number of duplicate error messages, over a whole range of scripts, on multiple sims
2018-11-19 18:11 <BillBlight> I sent you a PM here snik if you can paste me an example of the error I can help you track it down
2018-11-19 18:11 <snik> kk Bill TY
2018-11-19 18:55 <snik> My script error issues were resolved by stopping the grid and renaming opensim/bin/ScriptEngines and then restarting the grid. My thanks to BillBlight for his timely and accurate suggestions :)
2018-11-19 18:56 <snik> thanks, take care and have fun folks :)
2018-11-19 19:30 <osmantis> Bug #8382:04 TP some time fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8382 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2018-11-20 18:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #5990 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-20 18:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5990: SUCCESS in 8 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5990/
2018-11-20 18:32 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add osApproxEquals for float, vector and rotation, note that default margin is 1e-6 to match strings rounding
2018-11-20 18:32 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: bitbucket still does not like building.md
2018-11-20 18:39 <Ubit> meeting in 20 mins ?
2018-11-20 18:40 <djphil> what is 02osApproxEquals 01 ?
2018-11-20 18:40 <djphil> Hi :)
2018-11-20 18:40 <Ubit> what it says :)
2018-11-20 18:40 <djphil> it say but not explain :p
2018-11-20 18:41 <Ubit> one should never directly compare floats
2018-11-20 18:41 <Ubit> we do it all the time.. but that can fail a lot
2018-11-20 18:42 <Ubit> we need to compare with a error margin
2018-11-20 18:42 <Ubit> see ?
2018-11-20 18:42 <djphil> no
2018-11-20 18:42 <Ubit> well we should..
2018-11-20 18:42 <djphil> what is it for ?
2018-11-20 18:43 <Ubit> to use where it is needed
2018-11-20 18:43 <djphil> just compra e 2 float ?
2018-11-20 18:43 <djphil> compare*
2018-11-20 18:43 <Ubit> is a replacement for  a == b
2018-11-20 18:43 <djphil> float a and b ?
2018-11-20 18:43 <Ubit> bc as i said, that may fail
2018-11-20 18:43 <Ubit> bc numbers are not exact
2018-11-20 18:44 <djphil> I would be curious to see a demonstrative example
2018-11-20 18:45 <Ubit> had several ppl showing me scripts failing bc of that
2018-11-20 18:45 <Ubit> bc they also did not know about this "fact"
2018-11-20 18:46 <Ubit> that will tell they are equal it they do not difer by 1e.6
2018-11-20 18:46 <Ubit> err
2018-11-20 18:46 <Ubit> 1e-6
2018-11-20 18:47 <Ubit> added variats where tou can tell margin
2018-11-20 18:47 <djphil> I remain intrigued
2018-11-20 18:48 <Ubit> what can i say, it is a standard issue
2018-11-20 19:30 <Ubit> damm there is limit for the Bullshit i can take, i left the meeting
2018-11-20 20:49 <Plugh> Ubit, at least you can leave when you want. 
2018-11-20 20:50 <Ubit> well you had no reason to leave i guess
2018-11-20 20:51 <Plugh> I don't exactly enjoy the meeting when it goes that way.
2018-11-20 20:53 <Ubit> well lets see  next week
2018-11-20 20:53 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2018-11-20 21:00 <BillBlight> What I don’t get , these people seem to want to totally impose their will on an opensource project, yes you can complain about the direction, everyone does, but if you are really that unhappy with it , FORK IT ...  If you really have the will of the community at your back your fork will take off ..
2018-11-20 21:01 <osmantis> Bug #8410:04 llSay and llWhisper always emit from root prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8410 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2018-11-20 22:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #5991 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-20 22:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5991: SUCCESS in 6 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5991/
2018-11-20 22:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Yengine: remove some xmr API functions now added to OSSL
2018-11-20 22:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #5992 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-20 22:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5992: SUCCESS in 6 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5992/
2018-11-20 22:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Yengine: do use SourceHashCode
2018-11-20 22:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #5993 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-20 23:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5993: SUCCESS in 6 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5993/
2018-11-20 23:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Yengine: change script first line processing, also look to language option
2018-11-20 23:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #5994 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-20 23:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5994: SUCCESS in 6 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5994/
2018-11-20 23:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Yengine: use using...
2018-11-21 09:18 <osmantis> Bug #8395:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast failure with changing Horizontal Offset on textures - xyText 5 sided prim failure on face 2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8395 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-22 01:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #5995 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-22 01:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5995: SUCCESS in 6 min 40 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5995/
2018-11-22 01:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Yengine: try read XEngine state from wire
2018-11-22 13:03 <osmantis> Bug #8411:04 Coalesced items in inventory are no longer shown with the coalesced item icon and other inventory weirdness 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8411 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-11-22 13:03 <osmantis> Bug #8411:04 Coalesced items in inventory are no longer shown with the coalesced item icon and other inventory weirdness 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8411 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-11-22 18:51 <osmantis> Bug #8411:04 Coalesced items in inventory are no longer shown with the coalesced item icon and other inventory weirdness 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8411 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-23 00:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #5996 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-23 00:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5996: SUCCESS in 8 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5996/
2018-11-23 00:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8411: fix send inventory item flags mask
2018-11-23 01:10 <osmantis> Bug #8411:04 Coalesced items in inventory are no longer shown with the coalesced item icon and other inventory weirdness 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8411 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-23 01:15 <osmantis> Bug #8411:04 Coalesced items in inventory are no longer shown with the coalesced item icon and other inventory weirdness 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8411 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-23 01:42 <osmantis> Bug #8411:04 Coalesced items in inventory are no longer shown with the coalesced item icon and other inventory weirdness 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8411 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-23 01:48 <osmantis> Bug #8411:04 Coalesced items in inventory are no longer shown with the coalesced item icon and other inventory weirdness 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8411 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-11-23 01:51 <osmantis> Bug #8411:04 Coalesced items in inventory are no longer shown with the coalesced item icon and other inventory weirdness 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8411 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-23 01:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #5997 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-23 01:55 <osmantis> Bug #8411:04 Coalesced items in inventory are no longer shown with the coalesced item icon and other inventory weirdness 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8411 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-23 01:57 <osmantis> Bug #8411:04 Coalesced items in inventory are no longer shown with the coalesced item icon and other inventory weirdness 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8411 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-23 02:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5997: SUCCESS in 6 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5997/
2018-11-23 02:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Yengine: rename a local var
2018-11-23 02:04 <osmantis> Bug #8411:04 Coalesced items in inventory are no longer shown with the coalesced item icon and other inventory weirdness 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8411 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-23 02:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #5998 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-23 02:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5998: SUCCESS in 6 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5998/
2018-11-23 02:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: try better handling of llupd DeRezObject
2018-11-23 02:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #5999 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-23 02:44 <osmantis> Bug #8411:04 Coalesced items in inventory are no longer shown with the coalesced item icon and other inventory weirdness 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8411 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-23 02:47 <osmantis> Bug #8411:04 Coalesced items in inventory are no longer shown with the coalesced item icon and other inventory weirdness 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8411 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-23 02:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #5999: SUCCESS in 6 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/5999/
2018-11-23 02:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Yengine: oops rename the var on all relevant places
2018-11-23 03:21 <osmantis> Bug #8411:04 Coalesced items in inventory are no longer shown with the coalesced item icon and other inventory weirdness 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8411 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-24 01:19 <osmantis> Bug #8395:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast failure with changing Horizontal Offset on textures - xyText 5 sided prim failure on face 2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8395 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2018-11-24 04:04 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2018-11-24 04:08 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008406.
2018-11-24 04:08 <osmantis> Bug #8406:04 llDialog() error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8406 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008407.
2018-11-24 04:28 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-24 04:34 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-24 05:16 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-24 05:20 <CodyCooper> I think that OpenSimulator should be incorporated as a either Benefit Corporation or a Non Profit Corp, Then not only could there be a defined active leadership team, but Investing Firms would be more likely to Fund a Non Profit Organization or Benefit Corp, and OpenSim would qualify for Non Profit things from web hosts to free licenses and stuff. Thoughts on this? The Benefit Corp would be able to have stocks sold, so investor
2018-11-24 05:27 <Tampa> Short answer: No, Long answer: Look up IMA and check how everyone liked that idea xD
2018-11-24 05:32 <CodyCooper> Could you be specific as to which IMA you are referring to?
2018-11-24 05:52 <Tampa> inifinite metaverse alliance
2018-11-24 07:29 <BillBlight> yeah I don't think that is gonna fly, I could be wrong, but it has been tried before, 
2018-11-24 07:31 <BillBlight> I'm still trying to figure out at what point the community decided it owned opensimulator?!?!?!   Sure there are a lot of things I don't like about it, but it is a framework, not a finished product, and not subject to the will of "the community" .  I do think there should be input from the end users but not "marching orders"
2018-11-24 07:39 <Tampa> I suspect the idea is to filter out the stupid ideas and just present the good ones, but unless you are actually developing directly with it, determining what is and what isn't a good idea is the key
2018-11-24 07:39 <Tampa> Not to mentioning trying to actually find the idea behind all the whining, name calling and blaming that most tend to do
2018-11-24 07:40 <BillBlight> that may be the initial "intention" but what you end up with is a situation where the "owners" don't agree with what to do so you go nowhere
2018-11-24 07:40 <BillBlight> at least currently there is at least some forward momentum
2018-11-24 07:40 <Tampa> Easy to point fingers, but constructive criticism is hard for most people
2018-11-24 07:41 <Tampa> For the moment OpenSim is not held back by what you call marching orders anyways, its mostly external forces it seems, viewers...
2018-11-24 07:41 <BillBlight> yes
2018-11-24 07:41 <Tampa> Which is why oscc annoys me so much, but I'll shut up about that no worries
2018-11-24 07:42 <BillBlight> the issue is almost all viewers choose to follow LL, which is understandable, and until a viewer project steps up and pledges to support opensimulator first, don't see that state changing ... 
2018-11-24 07:42 <Tampa> Yup
2018-11-24 07:43 <BillBlight> core says we want to go this direction, viewer devs say you MUST not and go the way we want
2018-11-24 07:43 <Tampa> We don't need an IMA telling OpenSim what to do, we need an IMA taking a viewer and giving it hell
2018-11-24 07:43 <BillBlight> LMAO
2018-11-24 07:43 <BillBlight> in 3 years IMA has not released a single piece of code
2018-11-24 07:43 <Tampa> I know
2018-11-24 07:44 <Tampa> Still makes me chuckle, so I guess it has done some good in a way
2018-11-24 07:44 <BillBlight> And the reason for that is not lack of desire of people that wanted to be in it, the red tape and mircomanaging is what has caused that
2018-11-24 07:45 <BillBlight> IMA is a great idea being crushed from the top down
2018-11-24 07:45 <Tampa> Worse leadership skills than Merkel xD
2018-11-24 07:46 <BillBlight> well there  is no leadership, it is a dictatorship , hidden under a ton of mission statements , flow charts and Lean Six Sigma
2018-11-24 07:50 <Tampa> Gesundheit
2018-11-24 08:03 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-24 08:28 <BillBlight> oh and let's not forget the biggest flaw in IMA, the "volunteers" do all the work, and the only people guaranteed any return on captial gains should a project be picked up for a profit are the people who have put MONEY into IMA to purchase a stake, everyone else has to "take their word for it".
2018-11-24 08:33 <Tampa> Is like these schemes for uni students to get work experience using internships just as free labor force for innovation and grabbing coffee
2018-11-24 08:34 <Tampa> I get, kid you not, send leaflets asking me if I don't want to offer that to some uni students through their system, they even make the state pay for the thing, but the only ones paid are they
2018-11-24 08:34 <Tampa> Sad, but people must fall for it otherwise they would not stay afloat this long
2018-11-24 08:48 <BillBlight> well they keep "changing gears" now they have suckered this Thales group , it won't last long, but now they have suckered a big fish so when this one bites them, it is gonna take a limb off ..
2018-11-24 08:51 <Tampa> Now I am hungry
2018-11-24 11:56 <osmantis> Bug #8406:04 llDialog() error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8406 ): has been marked as UNRELATED TO issue 0008407.
2018-11-24 11:56 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): has been marked as UNRELATED TO issue 0008406.
2018-11-24 12:02 <osmantis> Bug #8395:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast failure with changing Horizontal Offset on textures - xyText 5 sided prim failure on face 2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8395 ): has been CLOSED
2018-11-24 14:48 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-24 15:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #6000 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-24 15:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6000: SUCCESS in 6 min 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6000/
2018-11-24 15:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update contributors
2018-11-24 15:48 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-24 16:27 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-24 16:56 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-24 19:05 <Aramis^> Bill and Tampa, name 2 things others have mentioned that you DO agree with. You both seem to revel in immediately shooting down anyone and anything mentioned, not very good for "community building"
2018-11-24 20:11 <BillBlight> There is a big difference between disagreeing and "been there done that" ... as far as IMA is concerened I was IN that group and seen how it works from the inside ..   This is also an issue, that people who don't agree with others opinions are automatically discounted , there is such a thing as experience ..
2018-11-24 20:13 <BillBlight> but does not matter my opinion does not require approval from anyone else , and when it is a cautionary tale, can't help when people don't listen just to disagree ..
2018-11-24 21:53 <BillBlight> The other thing, "Community Building" does not always mean give everyone a warm and fuzzy feeling, if the truth is unacceptable to a community member, or if they can't accept differing opinions maybe they are in the wrong community.
2018-11-24 22:10 <Aramis^> right but shooting everyone who comes in the door don't work either does it?
2018-11-24 22:11 <Aramis^> I know everyone else runs their grids wrong but why not let them be wrong instead of getting constantly worked up over it
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2018-11-24 22:24 <BillBlight> apathy is bad place to be, and all too common these days, I help a lot of people, and this is just me, but I can gladly stop if it is unwanted.
2018-11-24 22:26 <BillBlight> but in the last conversations, it was nothing about running a grid, so not sure the point you are trying to make .  But I don't tell anybody how to run thier grid only thing I can do is tell them what has worked for me and those I have experience with, not for me to make the choice for them how to do it.
2018-11-24 22:26 <BillBlight> or even if they choose not to listen
2018-11-24 22:27 <BillBlight> I cannot be apathetic about something that I truly care about , and opensimulator happens to be one of those things.
2018-11-25 03:27 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-25 04:09 <CodyCooper> Hello, my name is Cody, I help make stuff with OpenSimWorld.com, We have made a Bridge between the OpenSim-Dev Channel on IRC and the Dev Channel we have on the OpenSimWorld server
2018-11-25 04:11 <OpenSimWorld> <Cody Cooper> Test
2018-11-25 04:15 <CodyCooper> Anything said here will be sent to the #opensim-dev channel on the OpenSimWorld.com Discord Server and vice versa
2018-11-25 04:18 <Tampa> And who exactly authorized that?
2018-11-25 04:21 <CodyCooper> This is something to help Communication in the community, if it isn't welcomed, we will gladly remove cut it off
2018-11-25 04:22 <Tampa> You should probably talk to the channel operators before setting it up in the first place
2018-11-25 04:28 <Tampa> It's likely fine to just have the channel mirrored to discord, but letting discord post in here, I would not do that without permissions from the channel ops, because it has a potential for spam and may not be the best way to interact with the community as a whole, this channel is more for people who are actually interested in development or have very specific bugs beyond just malformed configuration
2018-11-25 04:29 <CodyCooper> Well, The Bridge is linking a channel on the Discord Server called #opensim-dev, it has only people who develop and contribute code to opensim in it
2018-11-25 04:31 <CodyCooper> Lets see, right now, the members in the discord channel are Andrew, Ubit, and Bill Blight, along with 2 moderators of the Discord Server(they see all channels)
2018-11-25 04:32 <Tampa> And what prevents someone from going into discord and causing spam that is then also mirrored here, freenode alone has had massive issues with spam so inviting potential for more...
2018-11-25 04:34 <CodyCooper> negative, the channel has slowmode enabled, one person can not send a message more than every 5 seconds
2018-11-25 04:43 <Tampa> What good does it add then if the people who are there are already here, not to mention why ask a community that is privacy conscious in the first place to join one of the worst misusers of data second to facebook, that just seems a bit silly to me, but whatever
2018-11-25 04:46 <CodyCooper> Discord is one of the worst misusers of Data?
2018-11-25 04:46 <Tampa> Why do you think it's free huh
2018-11-25 04:46 <CodyCooper> Following your logic, IRC is free too
2018-11-25 04:47 <Tampa> Most irc are non-profits operated via donations rather than a for-profit that states in its terms that data is shared with third parties
2018-11-25 04:51 <CodyCooper> The Bridge doesn't take post any  data other than the Message and the Nickname of Who sent it
2018-11-25 04:51 <CodyCooper> If you would like to see it's source code, i'll gladly share
2018-11-25 04:53 <Tampa> That's not the point, the point is those who join said channel as means to communicate with IRC, as if that wasn't easy or something, are often not aware of the extend discord uses their data, because who really reads the terms
2018-11-25 04:53 <Tampa> It's perfectly fine for it to mirror the channel to it, but post into here as means for better community outreach I am not so sure
2018-11-25 04:53 <CodyCooper> i've messaged Melanie already, and if she or another Core Dev objects, then it will leave, end of story
2018-11-25 04:54 <CodyCooper> Nobody has to join discord, some don't use irc or don't use Discord, and that shouldn't mean they shouldn't not hear what is going on
2018-11-25 04:57 <Tampa> Last I checked OpenSimworld mainly consisted of links to copybot stores and people creating drama, I have not known that to be a particular place interested in what goes on in development. The vast majority seem to generally just object to development, see mesh and physics changes or the whole throttle debacle
2018-11-25 04:57 <Tampa> I'll leave it up to the ops to deal with it, but I personally object the idea and the use of discord anyways
2018-11-25 04:58 <CodyCooper> Well, Then, If you object to that, i can add your name to the Bridge's List of users to ignore and not transmit messages from
2018-11-25 16:48 <OpenSimWorld> OpenSimWorld.com Discord Server  <satyr_aeon> i agree with tampa, also there is little point in connecting IRC to here it would be like doing parallel discussion madness. It's cool that it exists, but i also don't trust discord
2018-11-25 16:50 <OpenSimWorld> OpenSimWorld.com Discord Server  <satyr_aeon> but i also agree with others that there is something severely wrong  when the "developers " insult everyone who tries to bring people to opensim
2018-11-25 16:50 <OpenSimWorld> OpenSimWorld.com Discord Server  <satyr_aeon> perhaps she knows the place for people who are "interested in development".
2018-11-25 16:51 <OpenSimWorld> OpenSimWorld.com Discord Server  <satyr_aeon> Hint; grids and people have stopped following opensim development, because it has diverged to non-productive ways . The cool thing about open source projects is that even the "core" developer is just another branch.
2018-11-25 17:21 <OpenSimWorld> OpenSimWorld.com Discord Server  <Ubit> Please remove the bridge to irc. If we want a presence on Discord we will had it. Thanks
2018-11-25 17:21 <OpenSimWorld> OpenSimWorld.com Discord Server  <Ubit> add no had :p
2018-11-25 17:22 <OpenSimWorld> OpenSimWorld.com Discord Server  <Ubit> and i mean bridge to #opensim-dev of course
2018-11-25 17:23 -!- ChanServ changed mode/#opensim-dev -> +o Ubit
2018-11-25 17:24 -!- Ubit changed mode/#opensim-dev -> +b OpenSimWorld!*@*
2018-11-25 17:24 -!- Ubit kicked OpenSimWorld ("OpenSimWorld")
2018-11-25 17:24 -!- Ubit changed mode/#opensim-dev -> -o Ubit
2018-11-25 18:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #6001 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-11-25 19:06 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: avoid data references stuck in packet pools
2018-11-25 19:06 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove a dev only conditional on lludp handlers; change parcel lists updates a bit;
2018-11-25 19:07 <Ubit> no fail? jenkis is sick
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2018-11-25 23:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix ossl severe error
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2018-11-26 01:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change code feature that old compilers don't suport
2018-11-26 04:20 <Ubit> or? of!
2018-11-26 04:21 <Plugh> :)
2018-11-26 04:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #6004 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-11-26 04:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change HandlerDeRezObject again to account for out or order packets
2018-11-26 04:29 <Tampa> At least we know it's not an impostor hehe
2018-11-26 04:30 <Ubit> :p
2018-11-26 04:30 <Ubit> sleep time
2018-11-26 04:31 <Ubit> happy crashes ppl
2018-11-26 08:26 -!- ChristophBalhaus(~Christoph@h2516096.stratoserver.net) has left #opensim-dev
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2018-11-26 12:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a fix to contributors list
2018-11-26 12:31 <Ubit> opos not grid :)
2018-11-26 13:27 <Ubit> and that was a message to other place
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2018-11-26 16:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add script constant OS_APIVERSION, we should inc this on any change on any api. a few changes to os npc and avatar animation functions
2018-11-26 17:02 <djphil> OS_APIVERSION is used with which function ?
2018-11-26 17:03 <Ubit> it is a constant
2018-11-26 17:03 <djphil> yes
2018-11-26 17:03 <djphil> and ?
2018-11-26 17:03 <djphil> isn't used by a function ?
2018-11-26 17:03 <djphil> like this http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OSSL_Constants
2018-11-26 17:03 <Ubit> and it is a constant for current region
2018-11-26 17:04 <djphil> that mean isn't used in scripts ?
2018-11-26 17:04 <Ubit> hard to use outside scripts if it is a script constant :p
2018-11-26 17:05 <djphil> well LSL_STATUS_OK is a constant too
2018-11-26 17:05 <djphil> and is used by scripts function llSetPrimMediaParams
2018-11-26 17:05 <djphil> that why i ask for OS_APIVERSION
2018-11-26 17:06 <Ubit> say you know we added a function in version 11
2018-11-26 17:06 <BillBlight> and that is still INSIDE a script ...   I'm going to make an assumption that this constant is a future proof method incase versions of functions change and you can tell the script which api version to use ..
2018-11-26 17:06 <Ubit> if(OS_APIVERSION < 11) 
2018-11-26 17:07 <djphil> ok cool, i see better now, ty :)
2018-11-26 17:07 <Ubit> { llOwnerSay("current region does not suport this"; llDie();}
2018-11-26 17:07 <djphil> that fine! :)
2018-11-26 17:08 <Ubit> assuming we will not forget to update it :p
2018-11-26 17:08 <djphil> that for avoide conflicts with X/Y Engine ?
2018-11-26 17:08 <Ubit> no
2018-11-26 17:08 <djphil> oki
2018-11-26 17:08 <Ubit> api is the same for both
2018-11-26 17:09 <djphil> oki
2018-11-26 17:21 <osmantis> Bug #7688:04 Order of operations incorrect when subtracting two lsl vectors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7688 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-26 17:32 <osmantis> Bug #7688:04 Order of operations incorrect when subtracting two lsl vectors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7688 ): has been CLOSED
2018-11-26 18:48 <Dev_Random> Ubit, that might be an interesting topic for discussion at dev meeting... What constitutes an API version change?  Is every API tweak a version? And if so, what if the function I want to use didn't actually change in the latest version...?
2018-11-26 18:48 <Ubit> yeap we can
2018-11-26 18:49 <Ubit> for now im having a low level def of it
2018-11-26 18:49 <Ubit> but must be a change with impact
2018-11-26 18:50 <Ubit> last change i made to animations where internal code cleanup
2018-11-26 18:50 <Ubit> that does not count
2018-11-26 18:50 <Ubit> BUT
2018-11-26 18:50 <Ubit> i did change the internal arguments from string to LSL_Key
2018-11-26 18:50 <Ubit> that from a low level prespective does count
2018-11-26 18:51 <Ubit> i may store it on scripts to control need to recompile
2018-11-26 18:52 <Ubit> since ppl always forget to delete the scriptengine
2018-11-26 18:52 <Dev_Random> no problem if you only use it as a "minimum" version, but it generally means everything always has to be backward compatible to prevent breaking old scripts.
2018-11-26 18:52 <Ubit> well we are far from that
2018-11-26 18:52 <Dev_Random> anyway... versioning is always a PITA.  makes for good conversation.
2018-11-26 18:54 <Ubit> well i did add it thinking on the low level changes in doing
2018-11-26 18:54 <Ubit> im
2018-11-26 18:54 <Ubit> like string -> lsl_key
2018-11-26 18:54 <Ubit> so the damm api types are coerent
2018-11-26 18:54 <Dev_Random> lol.  understood.  
2018-11-26 18:55 <Ubit> this only means recompile is needed, not script change
2018-11-26 18:55 <Dev_Random> right.
2018-11-26 18:56 <Ubit> well guess nothing we can do on this
2018-11-26 18:56 <Dev_Random> I get it in that case... they only people who "might" break are people who were already "using it wrong" somehow....
2018-11-26 18:57 <Ubit> 2 much versions/forks etc etc runnig everywhere
2018-11-26 18:57 <Ubit> impossible to mk scripts that work everywhere on hg
2018-11-26 18:57 <Dev_Random> yeah
2018-11-26 18:58 <Ubit> of course.. one can ask.. why bother
2018-11-26 18:58 <Ubit> whatever
2018-11-26 19:33 <BillBlight> wait what?!?! people don't always write scripts correctly, say it isn't so .... </endsarcasm>
2018-11-26 19:34 <BillBlight> I literally heard this from someone the other day when I told them they had a really wrong syntax in their script ... "Well they need to fix the server so it works."  and they were serious ...
2018-11-26 19:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #6007 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-26 19:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6007: SUCCESS in 6 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6007/
2018-11-26 19:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove a ossl dev only option
2018-11-26 19:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Yengine: simplify ossl severe error message, and make it on debug channel like Xengine
2018-11-26 19:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #6008 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-26 20:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6008: SUCCESS in 6 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6008/
2018-11-26 20:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: show prim ID on script error
2018-11-26 20:06 <Ubit> damm
2018-11-26 20:08 <BillBlight> damn what?  What did you break?
2018-11-26 20:14 <Ubit> what mean? i didn't see it ?
2018-11-26 20:14 <Ubit> :p
2018-11-26 20:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #6009 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-26 20:25 <Tampa> much commit such description
2018-11-26 20:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6009: SUCCESS in 6 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6009/
2018-11-26 20:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few more changes
2018-11-26 20:59 <Ubit> damm i meant you didn't see it not me :p
2018-11-27 11:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #6010 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-11-27 11:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change runprebuild.bat to try to find msbuild of most recent visual studio instaled for compile.bat
2018-11-27 11:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #6011 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-11-27 11:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove option vs2010 from runprebuild.sh
2018-11-27 13:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #6012 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-27 13:05 <Ubit> errr 2017 or 2017 ? yeack on is 2015 
2018-11-27 13:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6012: SUCCESS in 6 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6012/
2018-11-27 13:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change runprebuild.bat to not create compile.bat if msbuild for vs2017 or vs2017 not found
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2018-11-27 13:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove unmaintaned and obsolete GlynnTucker.Cache
2018-11-27 14:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #6014 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-11-27 14:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update DotNetOpenMail.dll
2018-11-27 15:14 <Tampa> Oh no he touched email, should I buy you some strong soap to wash off?
2018-11-27 15:49 <paela> Hello
2018-11-27 17:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #6015 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-11-27 17:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops fix vs2015 msbuild detection
2018-11-27 17:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #6016 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2018-11-27 17:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: YEngine no longer uses mono.tasklets
2018-11-27 19:01 <BillBlight> Somebody wake up Plugh for the meeting
2018-11-27 19:12 <osmantis> Bug #8413:04 The Region.ini file has some typos in it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8413 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-11-27 19:44 <osmantis> Bug #8413:04 The Robust.ini file has some typos in it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8413 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-11-27 19:58 <osmantis> Bug #8413:04 The Robust.ini file has some typos in it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8413 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-27 20:06 <Plugh> There are three functions listed under Misc on the page of OSSL functions. Ubit has added a lot more. I wonder whether I should pull out all the string functions in to a separate category.
2018-11-27 20:39 <djphil> What functions do you refer to?
2018-11-27 20:39 <Plugh> The 10 osString functions Ubit added.
2018-11-27 20:40 <djphil> I did not see :p
2018-11-27 20:44 <Plugh> It is in commit #9dfb906666e (add a few string functions to OSSL)
2018-11-27 20:48 <Plugh> Looks like I have more work to do updating the OSSL portion of the wiki. A deleted function, some additions, and some marked as new that are not new.
2018-11-27 20:50 <djphil> How long is a function considered "new"? ...
2018-11-27 20:50 <BillBlight> My personal opinion is if they have been in more than one release they are not new
2018-11-27 20:50 <Plugh> I would say at least one release. I saw one marked "new" that was added in 2017. 
2018-11-27 20:51 <BillBlight> But let's be honest for everyone still running .8x all the new ones are still NEW
2018-11-27 20:52 <BillBlight> you have to remember that inspite of not being adopted .9x is what, three years old now?
2018-11-27 20:54 <Plugh> I know some people still using 0.8. When they ask me about something related to their grid, or mention a problem I'm tempted to say upgrade. I've forgotten about the state of 0.8 as I have not used it myself in such a long time.
2018-11-27 20:55 <BillBlight> so just because of people's failure to keep up with the times, I'd say anything that was NOT in .8x should stay marked as new
2018-11-27 20:56 <BillBlight> Maybe it will tell more people what they are missing out on .. . :P
2018-11-27 20:57 <BillBlight> I had to re-write most of my scripts when I put my booth on OSCC, I did not realize how many "NEW" functions I  used until I didn't have them ..
2018-11-27 20:57 <Plugh> I have to remember when 0.9 came out before I can do that.
2018-11-27 20:57 <Ubit> we all know 0.8 is the best opensim version ever, right?
2018-11-27 20:57 <osmantis> Bug #8413:04 The Robust.HG.ini.example  file has some typos in it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8413 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-11-27 20:57 <osmantis> Bug #8413:04 The Robust.HG.ini.example  file has some typos in it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8413 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-11-27 20:58 <osmantis> Bug #8413:04 The Robust.HG.ini.example  file has some typos in it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8413 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-11-27 20:58 <osmantis> Bug #8413:04 The Robust.HG.ini.example  file has some typos in it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8413 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-27 20:59 <AliciaRaven> Ubit u know ur sarcasm can get lost in text chat right? lol
2018-11-27 20:59 <BillBlight> It's Ubit, always assume sarcasm
2018-11-27 20:59 <AliciaRaven> lol i will scan every line for sarcasm now :P
2018-11-27 21:00 <Ubit> :)
2018-11-27 21:00 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: I was going to agree with Ubit. ;)
2018-11-27 21:00 <BillBlight> I think Ubit has two modes of communication, Sarcastic, and Angry...  hehehe
2018-11-27 21:00 <Tampa> cynical means he is good mood
2018-11-27 21:00 <Plugh> I better go. My cat is bugging me for attention and I'm thinking of a walk before it gets dark.
2018-11-27 21:01 <BillBlight> 
ACTION smacks Plugh with a big bag of code blocks

2018-11-27 21:01 <djphil> We could perhaps consider "new", which is after 0.9.0.1 (official on the site opensim)
2018-11-27 21:01 <Plugh> hehe
2018-11-27 21:02 <djphil> Or 0.8 as Bill says, that's good too
2018-11-27 21:02 <BillBlight> I really think with the lack of adoption anything  not in .8x should still be considered NEW as a lot of thos were added prior to that release
2018-11-27 21:02 <Plugh> For now I'd at least keep it with things starting with 0.9. It isn't quite as important to note the new ones as it once was as I put the date of function addition in the NOTES section for functions as they were added.
2018-11-27 21:02 <Ubit> btw next time i see LSL_String etc on that wiki ill kick someown
2018-11-27 21:02 <Ubit> someone...
2018-11-27 21:02 <Plugh> I really need to go. My cat is meowing at me and rubbing her head against my leg. bbl.
2018-11-27 21:03 <BillBlight> yeah please don't take the format of the function from the code itself
2018-11-27 21:03 <BillBlight> it confuses the little people
2018-11-27 21:03 <BillBlight> use lsl syntax not C# syntax
2018-11-27 21:04 <Ubit> C# support is "not public" now
2018-11-27 21:04 <Ubit> no business on that wiki now
2018-11-27 21:04 <Ubit> (guess still around )
2018-11-27 21:05 <BillBlight> Not kidding I got questioned on one function 7 times, "How do I cast to LSL_String, instead of just a string)
2018-11-27 21:06 <BillBlight> My answer, "It's just a string" , their response, "But it says LSL_String" ....   I hit my head on my desk repetedly 
2018-11-27 21:07 <djphil> who wrote "LSL_String" in the wiki (I hope it's not me ...).  :p
2018-11-27 21:07 <BillBlight> Not saying a word
2018-11-27 21:07 <Ubit> doesn't matter who did, just needs fix and not done again
2018-11-27 21:08 <AliciaRaven> when is a string not a string? when its a byte array :P
2018-11-27 21:08 <BillBlight> it appears some people, not naming names, but you know who you are, just copied the function from the c# and pasted it to the wiki, rather than making it proper LSL syntax ..
2018-11-27 21:08 <Ubit> there is also a issue with key and string
2018-11-27 21:09 <Ubit> a lot of our code still has string where it should be key
2018-11-27 21:09 <Ubit> not a big thing on X, mb on Y
2018-11-27 21:10 <BillBlight> yes key and string really should not be interchangeable, if so then why bother having them different
2018-11-27 21:12 <osmantis> Bug #8413:04 The Robust.HG.ini.example  file has some typos in it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8413 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-11-27 21:13 <osmantis> Bug #8413:04 The Robust.HG.ini.example  file has some typos in it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8413 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-27 21:15 <AliciaRaven> opensim code in general treats a UUID as a string instead of a 128-bit integer, bad idea but too late to change now, would cause too much disruption
2018-11-27 21:15 <djphil> llRequestUserKey is in master already ?
2018-11-27 21:19 <AliciaRaven> UUID should take up 16 bytes, when treated as a string its 72 bytes, ehh who made that decision
2018-11-27 21:22 <BillBlight> I'm sure that decision was made long long ago in a galaxy far far away, too late to make a change now,  unless we want to hear a LOT of crying .. 
2018-11-27 21:22 <BillBlight> ok a lot MORE crying
2018-11-27 21:23 <AliciaRaven> yep
2018-11-27 21:23 <djphil> not even afraid ^^
2018-11-27 21:23 <AliciaRaven> database size would be dramatically reduced as UUID is used EVRYWHERE, but cant change it as it would break backwards compatibility
2018-11-27 21:26 <BillBlight> At some point the project is going to have to put on it's big boy/girl pants and move away from keeping the "old timers" happy
2018-11-27 21:27 <Tampa> That's called progress I think
2018-11-27 21:27 <djphil> +1
2018-11-27 21:27 <BillBlight> yeah I think it is, but don't say that dirty word publically, they tend to frown on that ..
2018-11-27 21:27 <AliciaRaven> ive been away for awhile but sounds to me like the "old timers" are stuck on 0.8 lol
2018-11-27 21:30 <BillBlight> yep ..
2018-11-27 21:31 <BillBlight> My normal reaction to this is ... “People want change, people scream for change, till they actually get it, then they cower in fear.”
2018-11-27 21:32 <BillBlight> Sadly people only focus on one or two things about a system that makes THEM happy, you can make what they like run 10% different, while making the whole thing run 1000% better and all they see is THEIR thing.
2018-11-27 21:33 <AliciaRaven> yep
2018-11-27 21:34 <Ubit> LSLFloat osMax(Double a, Double b) 
2018-11-27 21:36 <Ubit> Hashtable osParseJSON(string JSON)
2018-11-27 21:36 <Ubit> ???
2018-11-27 21:39 <AliciaRaven> i dont understand, not enough info
2018-11-27 21:40 <AliciaRaven> parse json splits into a key value dictionary?
2018-11-27 21:40 <djphil> same for osParseJSONNew(string JSON)
2018-11-27 21:43 <Ubit> removed from list
2018-11-27 21:43 <djphil> why ?
2018-11-27 21:43 <Ubit> where c# only
2018-11-27 21:47 <Ubit> and there json ll functions
2018-11-27 21:48 <Ubit> public LSL_List llJson2List(LSL_String json)
2018-11-27 21:48 <Ubit> for example
2018-11-27 21:53 <CrasherRob> Regarding UUID size: Isn't there a way to automagically (for users, not implementers) to update the databases for changes like this? For large grids this conversion could take a while, though.
2018-11-27 22:05 <BillBlight> I’m not sure the tecnical challenges are as bad as the , “OMG THE SKY IS FALLING” changes
2018-11-27 22:07 <Ubit> uuids are not the only waste
2018-11-27 22:07 <Ubit> and if i remember dbs did not suport guids
2018-11-27 22:08 <Ubit> or uuids 
2018-11-27 22:24 <Plugh> djphil: Check the wiki page that lists implemented LSL functions. I updated the list of available functions recently. Doesn't meant that it is fully supported if it is on the list. 
2018-11-27 22:26 <Plugh> XEngine has some commented out code for the Key type but it currently uses the String type for keys. I have used the fact that a key can be treated as a string when passing messages between scripts. There isn't enough parameters to pass a string in addition to the other items I've wanted to pass.
2018-11-27 22:29 <Ubit> we did several tries to add a proper key thing
2018-11-27 22:29 <Ubit> i did also..
2018-11-27 22:29 <Ubit> did not worked well
2018-11-27 22:29 <Ubit> but that does not mean we should not use key where it is a key
2018-11-27 22:30 <BillBlight> you can cast a key to a string, so sending it as a string then casting it back as a key is always an option
2018-11-27 22:31 <Ubit> yeap but should be internal to the api etc
2018-11-27 22:31 <Ubit> not as arguments
2018-11-27 22:32 <Ubit> who knows .. we may mk it a proper type one day
2018-11-27 22:32 <Ubit> Y is ... well mixed also
2018-11-27 22:32 <BillBlight> yeah, but I guess, if you are going to treat keys as strings why bother having a key definition at all
2018-11-27 22:32 <Ubit> wants keys on funtions arguments and return value
2018-11-27 22:33 <Ubit> but serielizes as string also :p
2018-11-27 22:33 <Ubit> internaly its string also
2018-11-27 22:33 <Ubit> ( not that LSL as that mix also )
2018-11-27 22:33 <Ubit> note..
2018-11-27 22:34 <AliciaRaven> Ubit, db does not support UUIDs but they do support binary blob of fixed size :)
2018-11-27 22:34 <Ubit> details ;)
2018-11-27 22:34 <Ubit> but what i said in private is also valid on dbs
2018-11-27 22:35 <Ubit> devs wanted uuids human readable on dbs 
2018-11-27 22:35 <AliciaRaven> thats a point i can understand
2018-11-27 22:35 <Ubit> we are luck they did not decided terrain heights should also be human readable :p
2018-11-27 22:36 <AliciaRaven> i got round that issue with admin tools so i dont need to look at the db directly
2018-11-27 22:36 <Ubit> and as i said also LL formats also impose string uuids
2018-11-27 22:36 <Ubit> on assets data etc
2018-11-27 22:37 <Ubit> and we don't touch that data
2018-11-27 22:38 <AliciaRaven> LL are like MS, whats the fastest solution so we can move on, time is money!
2018-11-27 22:38 <AliciaRaven> the best solution takes time so they avoid it like the plague
2018-11-27 22:39 <Ubit> :)
2018-11-27 22:42 <djphil> Tank's Plugh, i see this fonction on the list but have any comment or infos
2018-11-28 00:20 <Plugh> djphil: Good point. It has a yellow background to it which means partially implemented but that information could easily be out of date.
2018-11-28 01:34 <Plugh> The one main, and minor, different about the commented out code in XEngine that defines a proper Key type is how it handles check if it is boolean true or false vs. what is the boolean value for a string.
2018-11-28 08:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #6017 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-28 08:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6017: SUCCESS in 6 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6017/
2018-11-28 08:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: OSSL remove functions with illegal lsl types, also redundante
2018-11-29 18:58 <osmantis> Bug #8414:04 Inventory copy and paste on a folder with content only copies empty folder and does not copy any contents. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8414 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-29 19:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #6018 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-29 19:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6018: SUCCESS in 8 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6018/
2018-11-29 19:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8414: add cap CreateInventoryCategory handler
2018-11-29 19:07 <osmantis> Bug #8414:04 Inventory copy and paste on a folder with content only copies empty folder and does not copy any contents. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8414 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-29 19:11 <osmantis> Bug #8414:04 Inventory copy and paste on a folder with content only copies empty folder and does not copy any contents. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8414 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-29 19:17 <BillBlight> Thanks Ubit, I know it pains you to fix something FS broke .. But again THANKS.
2018-11-29 19:17 <Ubit> uff
2018-11-29 19:17 <Ubit> :)
2018-11-29 19:19 <Ubit> bc those reasons we know, fs may fix this
2018-11-29 19:20 <Ubit> but will take ages
2018-11-29 19:20 <Ubit> meanwhile grids on master will have it working
2018-11-29 19:20 <Ubit> but damm stupid protocol
2018-11-29 19:21 <Ubit> ( well have it working assuming i made it right ;) )
2018-11-29 19:23 <BillBlight> appears to be working in my current tests, so we will let you continue to go a while longer with out abuse ... :P
2018-11-29 19:23 <Ubit> i did copy a folder to inside of it self and worked :)
2018-11-29 19:23 <Ubit> miracle
2018-11-29 19:24 <Ubit> and several layers lol
2018-11-29 19:24 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-11-29 19:24 <BillBlight> I did the same thing
2018-11-29 19:24 <BillBlight> HAHA
2018-11-29 19:24 <Ubit> ( with damm fs opening the notecards and textures i used as test )
2018-11-29 19:49 <osmantis> Bug #8414:04 Inventory copy and paste on a folder with content only copies empty folder and does not copy any contents. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8414 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-11-29 20:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #6019 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-29 20:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6019: SUCCESS in 6 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6019/
2018-11-29 20:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix CopyInventoryFromNotecard error handling
2018-11-29 21:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #6020 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-29 21:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6020: SUCCESS in 6 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6020/
2018-11-29 21:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove xmr json functions that where a fix for ossl ones now removed
2018-11-29 21:33 <cuga_rajal> Hi ho - looking for misterblue
2018-11-29 21:33 <BillBlight> MB has kind of been taking a sebatical , so he is not around much
2018-11-29 21:33 <misterblue> I'm hiding
2018-11-29 21:33 <BillBlight> there he is
2018-11-29 21:33 <BillBlight> see
2018-11-29 21:33 <cuga_rajal> hahaha
2018-11-29 21:34 <cuga_rajal> I'm running into major problems with the physics engine
2018-11-29 21:34 <cuga_rajal> bullet
2018-11-29 21:34 <BillBlight> change engines
2018-11-29 21:34 <BillBlight> :P
2018-11-29 21:34 <BillBlight> yes I’m just being cheeky
2018-11-29 21:34 <BillBlight> maybe
2018-11-29 21:34 <cuga_rajal> Gonna give Blue a change :)
2018-11-29 21:34 <cuga_rajal> chance
2018-11-29 21:35 <cuga_rajal> Hey Blue, remember the crazy swings I have that use ball and socket?
2018-11-29 21:35 <misterblue> I haven't been working on BulletSim... most of the physics work has been by ubit on ubODE
2018-11-29 21:36 <cuga_rajal> Ohhh
2018-11-29 21:36 <cuga_rajal> Thought Bullet was your project \
2018-11-29 21:37 <misterblue> oh, it's very much my fault<<<<<<, ah, project
2018-11-29 21:37 <Ubit> lol
2018-11-29 21:37 <misterblue> I just haven't been spending any time working on it... there is so much to fix
2018-11-29 21:37 <cuga_rajal> Anyway, was working fine from trunk on Oct 12, totally broken on Nov 16
2018-11-29 21:38 <cuga_rajal> I wanted a couple weeks to see if something was being worked on
2018-11-29 21:38 <Ubit> 
ACTION hides

2018-11-29 21:38 <cuga_rajal> *waited*
2018-11-29 21:38 <misterblue> that is odd as the underlying binaries haven't changed in that time
2018-11-29 21:39 <cuga_rajal> So Ubit, I got a cool set of test cases on my standalone for physics stuff, maybe you can come visit
2018-11-29 21:39 <misterblue> something must have changed above BulletSim
2018-11-29 21:39 <Ubit> you where using bullet joints?
2018-11-29 21:39 <cuga_rajal> I have 2 opens directories from those two builds.. switch to Nov build and breaks, switch back to Oct and works again
2018-11-29 21:39 <cuga_rajal> Switched back and forth 3 times to make sure weans don my end
2018-11-29 21:40 <cuga_rajal> something changed
2018-11-29 21:40 <cuga_rajal> Maybe problem lies somewhere else but it manifests as broken physics
2018-11-29 21:40 <cuga_rajal> No other problems
2018-11-29 21:41 <BillBlight> are you talking master nov 2 or osGrid distros?
2018-11-29 21:41 <Ubit> what part of physics?
2018-11-29 21:41 <cuga_rajal> Not using bullet joint - never heard of those
2018-11-29 21:41 <Ubit> bullet seems (almost) ok
2018-11-29 21:41 <Ubit> that what fails ?
2018-11-29 21:41 <Ubit> then..
2018-11-29 21:41 <misterblue> so we're talking about a ball in a cup?
2018-11-29 21:42 <cuga_rajal> For a few years Ive been using a ball and socket arrangement to mimic articulating hinges
2018-11-29 21:42 <cuga_rajal> Blue visited and aw them
2018-11-29 21:42 <cuga_rajal> saw
2018-11-29 21:42 <BillBlight> ball and socket would be a joint
2018-11-29 21:42 <cuga_rajal> yes, ball and cup, I use it for all kinds of things
2018-11-29 21:42 <cuga_rajal> totally dead now
2018-11-29 21:43 <cuga_rajal> Other physics like vehicles seem ok
2018-11-29 21:43 <cuga_rajal> No errors on console
2018-11-29 21:44 <cuga_rajal> I get slowly wandering physics objects that correct themselves when I turn off physics
2018-11-29 21:44 <cuga_rajal> So I reverted to oct 14 build and all is fine there
2018-11-29 21:44 <cuga_rajal> Cant update till fixed
2018-11-29 21:45 <cuga_rajal> Never tried ubODE?
2018-11-29 21:45 <Ubit> ubode does not have joints
2018-11-29 21:45 <cuga_rajal> Neither does Bullet, or if it does I don't know about it
2018-11-29 21:46 <Ubit> actually bullet has
2018-11-29 21:46 <cuga_rajal> any docs on that?
2018-11-29 21:46 <Ubit> what is a doc?
2018-11-29 21:46 <cuga_rajal> pffft
2018-11-29 21:46 <Ubit> well i made 2 or 3 changes on bullet to try to fix other issues
2018-11-29 21:47 <Ubit> no idea
2018-11-29 21:47 <misterblue> no documents because the feature was never finished (calls that would change linkset joints from static to different joint types)
2018-11-29 21:47 <Ubit> don't even know those objects
2018-11-29 21:47 <cuga_rajal> My method has been working fine for long time
2018-11-29 21:47 <cuga_rajal> Works on Havoc, not that that matters.....
2018-11-29 21:48 <misterblue> 'doesn't work at all' means that the ball falls through the cup or that it's stuck or what?
2018-11-29 21:48 <Ubit> mb you can try versions bte those dates to try to pin point the relevant commit ?
2018-11-29 21:48 <cuga_rajal> Just stays put and doesn't move when should, like physics not on
2018-11-29 21:48 <cuga_rajal> but actually wanders slowly, not in expected motion
2018-11-29 21:48 <cuga_rajal> I use a sphere inside a larger hollow sphere. Outer sphere not physics and separate object. Inner sphere physics and linked to something hanging
2018-11-29 21:49 <cuga_rajal> push on the hanging prim and the thing swings around freely
2018-11-29 21:49 <cuga_rajal> Is great solution for hinges
2018-11-29 21:49 <Ubit> if you like to burn cpu, sure
2018-11-29 21:50 <cuga_rajal> I watch CPU, not a big deal
2018-11-29 21:50 <cuga_rajal> even on my Mac mini :)
2018-11-29 21:50 <BillBlight> there is no actual oct 14th commit 
2018-11-29 21:50 <cuga_rajal> This were the dates I built
2018-11-29 21:50 <cuga_rajal> I can check build numbers if thats helpful
2018-11-29 21:51 <BillBlight> that would be the only way to find out when the change happened
2018-11-29 21:51 <cuga_rajal> do you know where I can find build number in the file tree?
2018-11-29 21:51 <Ubit> a sphere inside a hollow one seems working fine...
2018-11-29 21:51 <BillBlight> you could be building code from anytime before, need an exact commit where it stops working
2018-11-29 21:51 <Ubit> on ubode
2018-11-29 21:52 <cuga_rajal> I just did a git pull this morning to see if fixed and still broken
2018-11-29 21:53 <cuga_rajal> I can check build numbers but need some help as to where to find that in my file trees
2018-11-29 21:53 <cuga_rajal> build numbers of working oct build and broken nov build
2018-11-29 21:53 <misterblue> cuga_rajal: try changing to ubODE and see if that works for you
2018-11-29 21:53 <cuga_rajal> OK I can do that
2018-11-29 21:54 <Ubit> can't give idea of commit... can be side effect of something else
2018-11-29 21:54 <cuga_rajal> Was resisting changing cuz Bullet has always worked and MrBlue works so hard....
2018-11-29 21:54 <cuga_rajal> lemme try switching now to ubODE and see 
2018-11-29 21:54 <Ubit> well also working fine on bullet
2018-11-29 21:55 <Ubit> a physical sphere inside a hollow one moves ok
2018-11-29 21:55 <Ubit> hmm that is if i saved opensim.ini
2018-11-29 21:56 <Ubit> 21:53:09 - [BULLETS SCENE]:
2018-11-29 21:56 <Ubit> i did :p
2018-11-29 21:56 <cuga_rajal> In the past I had to make the hanging prim the root prim for it to work - not the inner sphere
2018-11-29 21:56 <Ubit> well don't know..
2018-11-29 21:56 <cuga_rajal> Weird
2018-11-29 21:57 <cuga_rajal> Ok, changing line 261 of opens.ini
2018-11-29 21:57 <Ubit> as i said, have a 0,5m physical inside a 2m hollow on, all fine
2018-11-29 21:57 <cuga_rajal> saving and reatertingg
2018-11-29 21:57 <cuga_rajal> Like my typos?
2018-11-29 21:58 <Ubit> what is line 261? :)
2018-11-29 21:58 <cuga_rajal>     physics = ubODE
2018-11-29 21:59 <cuga_rajal> dang, waiting for 800 scripts to load
2018-11-29 21:59 <Ubit> need to change meshmerizer also 
2018-11-29 21:59 <Ubit> a few lines above that
2018-11-29 21:59 <cuga_rajal> OK line 246     meshing = ubODEMeshmerizer
2018-11-29 22:00 <cuga_rajal> while Im waiting for startup..
2018-11-29 22:01 <cuga_rajal> You said its working for you.. when you linked prims, is inner sphere the root or not?
2018-11-29 22:02 <Ubit> you told nothing about linked prims :p
2018-11-29 22:02 <cuga_rajal> I <cuga_rajal> I use a sphere inside a larger hollow sphere. Outer sphere not physics and separate object. Inner sphere physics and linked to something hanging
2018-11-29 22:02 <cuga_rajal>  <cuga_rajal> push on the hanging prim and the thing swings around freely
2018-11-29 22:03 <cuga_rajal> OK logging in to ubode and checking..  first time on abode this is exciting
2018-11-29 22:05 <cuga_rajal> OK, is working fine on ubODE
2018-11-29 22:05 <Ubit> it should also on bullet
2018-11-29 22:05 <cuga_rajal> or.. mostly fine
2018-11-29 22:05 <cuga_rajal> dsame build
2018-11-29 22:05 <cuga_rajal> was not
2018-11-29 22:06 <cuga_rajal> ok, switching back to bullet to retest
2018-11-29 22:06 <Ubit> ?
2018-11-29 22:08 <cuga_rajal> Was working mostly ok on ubODE, same build. Now switching back to bullet to see if different
2018-11-29 22:10 <Ubit> don't forget the meshmerizer also :p
2018-11-29 22:11 <cuga_rajal> Bullet is still dead
2018-11-29 22:11 <cuga_rajal> Yes I switched off the ub mesh
2018-11-29 22:11 <Ubit> swell ive no idea of the object details
2018-11-29 22:12 <cuga_rajal> Pretty easy to explain
2018-11-29 22:13 <cuga_rajal> make a sphere 2m diameter, 99% hollow. rain it up a few meters off the ground
2018-11-29 22:13 <cuga_rajal> raise
2018-11-29 22:13 <Ubit> we dont suport 99%
2018-11-29 22:14 <Ubit> but ok then ?
2018-11-29 22:14 <cuga_rajal> make another sphere, 1.7m diameter. raise it up. Shift-drag it down so there's a copy like 3 or 4 m below
2018-11-29 22:14 <cuga_rajal> link the 2 non-hollow spheres together, lower one as root
2018-11-29 22:15 <cuga_rajal> move the 2-prim object so the upper sphere is inside the hollow sphere
2018-11-29 22:15 <cuga_rajal> turn on physics and give it a push, should be like prndulum
2018-11-29 22:16 <Ubit> that should just fallout base prim
2018-11-29 22:16 <cuga_rajal> naw
2018-11-29 22:16 <cuga_rajal> nothing is phantom
2018-11-29 22:16 <cuga_rajal> inner sphere stays inside hollow sphere
2018-11-29 22:17 <Ubit> working fine
2018-11-29 22:17 <Ubit> well kinda
2018-11-29 22:17 <cuga_rajal> works ok for me on ubode but not bullet
2018-11-29 22:18 <cuga_rajal> Yeah you can adjust friction=0 on spheres
2018-11-29 22:18 <Ubit> well center of mass seems wrong
2018-11-29 22:18 <Ubit> it should fall to side
2018-11-29 22:18 <Ubit> but it does move
2018-11-29 22:18 <cuga_rajal> MrBlue told me that mass is only calculated for root prim
2018-11-29 22:18 <cuga_rajal> so if root prim is one hanging, should be fine
2018-11-29 22:19 <Ubit> ok.. not on ubode
2018-11-29 22:19 <Ubit> but on bullet it does bounce a bit
2018-11-29 22:19 <cuga_rajal> bode calculates for all prims in object?
2018-11-29 22:20 <Ubit> yes
2018-11-29 22:20 <Ubit> this thing will fall out the base
2018-11-29 22:20 <Ubit> well lets see
2018-11-29 22:20 <cuga_rajal> will fall out if not enough gap inside, or if you really yank it
2018-11-29 22:20 <misterblue> BulletSim should be including all the prims in the weight but it doesn't calculate the center of gravity -- the root is always the COG
2018-11-29 22:21 <cuga_rajal> aaah
2018-11-29 22:21 <Ubit> well ubode does calc center of mass
2018-11-29 22:21 <Ubit> and inertia
2018-11-29 22:21 <Ubit> if it does it right is another thing :p
2018-11-29 22:22 <Plugh> cuga_rajal: I don't think you got an answer to finding the version number. You are building from source. Just use 'git log' and it will show the commit hash and date at the top of the screen.
2018-11-29 22:23 <cuga_rajal> OK, checking..
2018-11-29 22:24 <cuga_rajal> Yeah in Bullet it falls out, but if you edit the falling object and then close the edit window, it magically re-appears where it should
2018-11-29 22:24 <cuga_rajal> thats a weird
2018-11-29 22:24 <cuga_rajal> one
2018-11-29 22:24 <Plugh> and, yes, the commit hash for the version that works and the one that doesn't will be very useful. If you can narrow it down to less than one month between the two that would also be helpful. :)
2018-11-29 22:25 <Ubit> velocity interpolator mess
2018-11-29 22:25 <Ubit> also happens a lot with ubode still
2018-11-29 22:25 <Ubit> damm mess
2018-11-29 22:25 <Plugh> misterblue: I don't suppose you have a list of what work needs to be done on BS.
2018-11-29 22:26 <Ubit> so that is another dif btw ubode and bullet..   ubode does center of mass
2018-11-29 22:26 <Ubit> uff
2018-11-29 22:26 <misterblue> I had a long list somewhere
2018-11-29 22:26 <Plugh> misterblue: From what you said earlier you don't want to look at it. :)
2018-11-29 22:26 <cuga_rajal> I just checked 'git log' I see lots of commit numbers 
2018-11-29 22:26 <cuga_rajal> what should I be looking for?
2018-11-29 22:27 <Plugh> cuga_rajal: The first one listed is the latest. You can see by the dates.
2018-11-29 22:27 <cuga_rajal> ok
2018-11-29 22:27 <Ubit> well bullet seems working for me
2018-11-29 22:28 <cuga_rajal> working build 235dd37b9c6e158ad201d49a2414ce84648bcb86
2018-11-29 22:28 <Plugh> The first 8 characters of the hash are sufficient (usually).
2018-11-29 22:28 <Ubit> cuja
2018-11-29 22:28 <cuga_rajal> broken build d43eeb1d9d01b9ed9006b92d22cb0a77b712ef8d
2018-11-29 22:28 <cuga_rajal> dates are pretty far apart sorry about that
2018-11-29 22:29 <Ubit> https://bitbucket.org/opensimulator/opensim/commits/all
2018-11-29 22:29 <Ubit> or our viewgit
2018-11-29 22:29 <cuga_rajal> Oct 8 and Nov 15, sorry bout that
2018-11-29 22:30 <Plugh> cuga_rajal: Keep a recod of those dates. If you are so inclined you can step one forward in time or step one back to narrow down where the breakage occurs.
2018-11-29 22:30 <Plugh> recod -> record
2018-11-29 22:31 <cuga_rajal> True, thats a lot of builds to look thru
2018-11-29 22:31 <cuga_rajal> But I guess if Im the only one with the problem... :/
2018-11-29 22:31 <Plugh> cuga_rajal: You can skip a few weeks at a time to reduce the number of builds.
2018-11-29 22:32 <Plugh> cuga_rajal: You may be the only one who has bothered to report the problem.
2018-11-29 22:32 <cuga_rajal> I'll pick half-way, then half of that, etc
2018-11-29 22:32 <Plugh> Git has a feature called bisect that can help with that.
2018-11-29 22:32 <BillBlight> have you tried the absolute  newest code
2018-11-29 22:32 <cuga_rajal> Yes this morning
2018-11-29 22:32 <BillBlight> been a lot of changes since Nov 15
2018-11-29 22:33 <Ubit> well as i said, bullet seems working fine for me
2018-11-29 22:33 <cuga_rajal> I thought something might be getting worked on so I waited to report
2018-11-29 22:33 <Ubit> with that model
2018-11-29 22:33 <cuga_rajal> You said it works but you see the drift issue
2018-11-29 22:33 <Ubit> what drift?
2018-11-29 22:33 <misterblue> @Plugh, I might take a look. Getting ready for OSCC :)
2018-11-29 22:34 <Plugh> cuga_rajal: Thanks for reporting the problem. If you can narrow it down a little more, even better. Not that I'm the one that will have to fix it. :)
2018-11-29 22:34 <Plugh> misterblue: Yup. That's just over a week away now.
2018-11-29 22:34 <cuga_rajal> Even when working with bullet, the drift issue (falling out) makes unuseable
2018-11-29 22:34 <Ubit> i don't see it
2018-11-29 22:35 <cuga_rajal> hmm
2018-11-29 22:35 <Ubit> well possible when i let it fall
2018-11-29 22:35 <cuga_rajal> yes
2018-11-29 22:35 <Plugh> I need to get going. I need to make a food run.
2018-11-29 22:35 <Ubit> i do see it going a bit out the base prim 
2018-11-29 22:35 <Ubit> but that is effect of the viewer interpolators
2018-11-29 22:35 <cuga_rajal> kit will slowly drift out of the hollow sphere and then float around
2018-11-29 22:36 <Ubit> don't see that
2018-11-29 22:36 <cuga_rajal> weird
2018-11-29 22:36 <misterblue> I need to run off for a bit... catch you all later
2018-11-29 22:36 <Ubit> can you test that at osgrid sandbox plaza II ?
2018-11-29 22:36 <cuga_rajal> thanks mrblue
2018-11-29 22:36 <Ubit> ( or the one with bullet )
2018-11-29 22:37 <cuga_rajal> Yes I can tp there.. 
2018-11-29 22:38 <cuga_rajal> logging in
2018-11-29 22:38 <BillBlight> or can test on Dev Outreach to test ubODE as it is on pretty much the newest code
2018-11-29 22:39 <cuga_rajal> Im in Sandbox Plazaz
2018-11-29 22:40 <Ubit> i said II
2018-11-29 22:40 <Ubit> thats old ode
2018-11-29 23:12 <Ubit> bullet seems to work on II
2018-11-30 00:04 <BillBlight> cuga_rajal what is your mono version , just out of curiosity?
2018-11-30 00:47 <cuga_rajal> Sorry for long delay, I'm using Mono 5.16
2018-11-30 00:48 <cuga_rajal> latest stable
2018-11-30 00:50 <misterblue> and your target system is Linux (Ubuntu? CentOS?)
2018-11-30 12:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #6021 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-30 12:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6021: SUCCESS in 6 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6021/
2018-11-30 12:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: recover GetMesh2 cap
2018-11-30 16:53 <CrasherRob> Just an FYI: I upgraded to Fedora 29 and got this exception: "The type initializer for 'System.Console' threw an exception. ---> ... ---> System.Exception: Magic number is wrong: 542". This turns out to be an interface problem between mono 4.8.0 and ncurses version 6.1.  Apparently you can avoid this by downgrading to ncurses 5.9, but I currently get around this problem by using the screen command to start the sim.
2018-11-30 16:54 <Tampa> Why are you on mono 4.8, when mono 5.12 is being used to build and 5.16 is current
2018-11-30 17:04 <BillBlight> Current master “requires” mono 5.1X to run correctly, for once I agree with Tampa.  :P
2018-11-30 17:04 <Ubit> rare ocasion indead
2018-11-30 17:04 <Ubit> we should all got out celebrate..  Bill didi agree with tamps
2018-11-30 17:05 <Ubit> and tampa
2018-11-30 17:05 <BillBlight> HAHAHA
2018-11-30 17:05 <BillBlight> Celebrate or send condolences, one or the other, not sure which ...
2018-11-30 17:05 <Ubit> ( tampa pays.. )
2018-11-30 17:06 <Ubit> ( if so guess we will (pretend to ) agree more with him
2018-11-30 17:22 <Tampa> Do I have to get my pitbull, heard you was talking smack from across the room ;P
2018-11-30 17:38 <CrasherRob> I upgraded to Fedora 29 and thought I was using their current mono and ncurses, even though they're apparently out of date. Maybe I "fixed" something sometime to get around some other error and didn't unfix it. 
2018-11-30 17:53 <Ubit> https://www.mono-project.com/download/stable/#download-lin
2018-11-30 17:53 <Ubit> well no fedora there
2018-11-30 17:53 <Ubit> oops 
2018-11-30 17:53 <Ubit> it is there
2018-11-30 18:03 <CrasherRob> Thanks. Just found it too.
2018-11-30 18:30 <misterblue> that ball and socket thing seems to work find under Windows... trying to get my Linux standalone working and need to upgrade my Mono... sigh
2018-11-30 18:31 <misterblue> and the Grid dialog in Firestorm has some brokenness... OS is not getting any love
2018-11-30 19:34 <misterblue> @cuga_rajal: the linkset balls hanging from a hollow ball worked for me. OpenSim master, Ubuntu 18.04, Mono 5.16 
2018-11-30 19:34 <misterblue> I don't know what's happening for you
2018-11-30 19:34 <misterblue> oh, also XEngine
2018-11-30 19:35 <Ubit> yes we tested it at osgrid also
2018-11-30 22:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #6022 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-30 22:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6022: SUCCESS in 6 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6022/
2018-11-30 22:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a sound
2018-11-30 23:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #6023 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-11-30 23:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6023: SUCCESS in 6 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6023/
2018-11-30 23:20 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: move http range parser to util
2018-11-30 23:20 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: LLSDxmlencode uint and ulong
2018-12-01 14:57 <CrasherRob> 
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2018-12-01 18:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #6024 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-01 18:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6024: SUCCESS in 6 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6024/
2018-12-01 18:58 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: potencial mem leak
2018-12-01 18:58 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: clean a bit
2018-12-01 19:17 <cuga_rajal> Hi Ubit and misterblue :)
2018-12-01 19:17 <cuga_rajal> Ubit, is there an easy way for me to turn off the air-drag feature of the ubODE engine?
2018-12-01 19:18 <Ubit> no
2018-12-01 19:18 <cuga_rajal> Thats the only part thats causing problems in my application
2018-12-01 19:18 <Ubit> it is harcoded 
2018-12-01 19:19 <Tampa> How hardcoded is it?
2018-12-01 19:20 <Tampa> Like just a number or entire functions required for proper operation?
2018-12-01 19:24 <cuga_rajal> The swinging-pendulum test case, it stops moving when it is at one end of the swing, at an angle
2018-12-01 19:24 <cuga_rajal> So maybe thats not the air drag
2018-12-01 19:24 <Ubit> no that is other thing
2018-12-01 19:26 <cuga_rajal> Anything I can do to fix?
2018-12-01 19:28 <cuga_rajal> I have friction of the ball and sockets all set to 0, but maybe theres other friction added artificially? Just a guess
2018-12-01 19:34 <cuga_rajal> I also have more info on the Bullet issue
2018-12-01 19:34 <cuga_rajal> The 3-prim pendulum test case still works on Bullet, but more complex hanging objects on the sale ball and socket are failing
2018-12-01 19:35 <cuga_rajal> So not total fail, has something to do with object complexity
2018-12-01 19:37 <Tampa> Best not to try and rely on physics alone, I tried making a water slide a while back, could never get it to behave repeatedly, you hit a random collision call and boom everything stops
2018-12-01 19:43 <cuga_rajal> I agree, as general approach.. When physics is working well it is life-like and improves immersive experience
2018-12-01 20:00 <cuga_rajal> OK.. I may have figured out how to fix the Bullet problem I reported
2018-12-01 23:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #6025 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-01 23:19 <Ubit> runprebuild needed
2018-12-01 23:20 <Ubit> ( and all fingers crossed :p )
2018-12-01 23:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6025: SUCCESS in 6 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6025/
2018-12-01 23:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: replace GetMeshModule and GetTextureModule
2018-12-01 23:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #6026 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-01 23:23 <Aramis^> and I just accidently ran compile.bat before runprebuild.bat  grr now it won't build
2018-12-01 23:23 <Aramis^> The system cannot find the path specified
2018-12-01 23:24 <Ubit> you need to have vs2017 installed
2018-12-01 23:25 <Ubit> ( or 2015 if can't install 2017 )
2018-12-01 23:26 <Ubit> runprebuild does say that did not found msbuild?
2018-12-01 23:26 <Aramis^> I think I have 2015, it worked a few minutes before then I reran and mixed the order up
2018-12-01 23:26 <Aramis^> no the compile.bat says that
2018-12-01 23:26 <Aramis^> on windows here
2018-12-01 23:26 <Ubit> well i made its detection blind.. i don't have it
2018-12-01 23:26 <Ubit> runprebuild and see its end
2018-12-01 23:27 <Aramis^> yes it did
2018-12-01 23:27 <Ubit> it deleted compile.bat ?
2018-12-01 23:27 <Aramis^> I don't know let me look
2018-12-01 23:28 <Aramis^> visual studio 2015 is what I have...
2018-12-01 23:28 <Ubit> oh it should find it :(
2018-12-01 23:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6026: SUCCESS in 6 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6026/
2018-12-01 23:28 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: comment some debug msgs
2018-12-01 23:28 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: cleanup
2018-12-01 23:29 <Aramis^> searching c
2018-12-01 23:30 <Aramis^> might be me, at least that's what I thought this is in the git console for windows that I am seeing it
2018-12-01 23:30 <Ubit> cna you run regedit ?
2018-12-01 23:30 <Aramis^> yes
2018-12-01 23:31 <Aramis^> but running compile before runprebuild shouldn't delete anything righ?
2018-12-01 23:31 <Ubit> you must run runprebuild first
2018-12-01 23:31 <Aramis^> I up-arrowed and hit enter on the wrong one then I pulled again, ran prebuild and then compile fails
2018-12-01 23:31 <Aramis^> yes I did
2018-12-01 23:31 <Ubit> it should create compile.bat if it can
2018-12-01 23:31 <Aramis^> ok still searching C
2018-12-01 23:32 <Ubit> search for what ?
2018-12-01 23:32 <Aramis^> searching for compile.bat
2018-12-01 23:33 <Ubit> it should show up on opensim folder next to runprebuild
2018-12-01 23:33 <Aramis^> git console says Found msbuild at C:\Program then Creating compile.bat
2018-12-01 23:33 <Aramis^> then the fail
2018-12-01 23:33 <Ubit> don't run comands on git shell
2018-12-01 23:34 <Ubit> use a normal one
2018-12-01 23:34 <Aramis^> ok but has worked for last year and a half
2018-12-01 23:34 <Ubit> then cd to opensim folder
2018-12-01 23:34 <Aramis^> yep
2018-12-01 23:34 <Ubit> ok its possible but it may also set its own env
2018-12-01 23:35 <Ubit> so no compile.bat on next to runprebuild.bat ?
2018-12-01 23:36 <Ubit> run runprebuid again just in case and look to its end
2018-12-01 23:36 <Aramis^> let me look yes it's in C:\opensim folder
2018-12-01 23:37 <Aramis^> same error on cmd
2018-12-01 23:37 <Ubit> what does runprebuild say in last 3 or so lines?
2018-12-01 23:37 <Aramis^> C:\opensim>C:\Program\msbuild opensim.sln
2018-12-01 23:37 <Aramis^> The system cannot find the path specified.
2018-12-01 23:38 <Ubit> you do what i ask or not ? :p
2018-12-01 23:38 <Ubit> runprebuild.bat and tell me the last 3 or so lines it says
2018-12-01 23:38 <Aramis^> prebuild before that said... nothing on cmd command line it went blank when runprebuild.bat was run
2018-12-01 23:39 <Ubit> so it said msbuild not found?
2018-12-01 23:39 <Aramis^> it said nothing on cmd, it said Found msbuild at C:\Program
2018-12-01 23:39 <Aramis^> Creating compile.bat
2018-12-01 23:39 <Aramis^> on git console
2018-12-01 23:39 <Aramis^> just like I pasted
2018-12-01 23:40 <Ubit> yeack
2018-12-01 23:40 <Ubit> bugg :p
2018-12-01 23:40 <Aramis^> I have to leave now, will try again when I get back sorry It may not be you
2018-12-01 23:40 <Ubit> ok run regedit
2018-12-01 23:40 <Ubit> look for key
2018-12-01 23:40 <Aramis^> ok what key
2018-12-01 23:40 <Ubit> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\MSBuild\ToolsVersions\
2018-12-01 23:40 <Ubit> any ..14 there ?
2018-12-01 23:40 <Aramis^> looking
2018-12-01 23:41 <Aramis^> there is a 14 folder
2018-12-01 23:41 <Aramis^> DefaultToolsVersion key is 2.0
2018-12-01 23:42 <Aramis^> ok have to run damn it sorry
2018-12-01 23:42 <Ubit> the 14 has a MSBuildToolsPath
2018-12-01 23:42 <Ubit> ?
2018-12-01 23:42 <Aramis^> yes
2018-12-01 23:42 <Ubit> what does it say ?
2018-12-01 23:42 <BillBlight> edit the runprebuild.bat, and put a pause on the last line, so it does not go away at the end
2018-12-01 23:42 <Aramis^> MSBuildOverrideTasksPath
2018-12-01 23:43 <Ubit> hmm ??
2018-12-01 23:43 <Ubit> MSBuildToolsPath contents is MSBuildOverrideTasksPath ?? cant
2018-12-01 23:44 <Ubit> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\MSBuild\ToolsVersions\14.0 MSBuildToolsPath
2018-12-01 23:44 <Aramis^> C:\Program Files (x86)\MSBuild\14.0\bin\amd64
2018-12-01 23:44 <Ubit> damm then it should work :(
2018-12-01 23:44 <Aramis^> bbl
2018-12-01 23:46 <Ubit> type on cmd this reg query "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\MSBuild\ToolsVersions\14.0" /v MSBuildToolsPath
2018-12-01 23:46 <Ubit> and show the answer pls
2018-12-02 00:01 <zadark> On Windows 10, here at least, there is no 14.0. There is 4.0
2018-12-02 00:01 <zadark> Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\MSBuild\ToolsVersions\4.0
2018-12-02 00:01 <zadark> MSBuildToolsPath C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework64\v4.0.30319\
2018-12-02 00:01 <Ubit> that is not the same
2018-12-02 00:02 <Ubit> 4.0 is a outdated msbuild
2018-12-02 00:02 <Ubit> vs 2015 should add 14.0 and seems to.. just the damm .bat is not doing it right :(
2018-12-02 00:03 <zadark> current VS 2017 Community here
2018-12-02 00:03 <Ubit> well double click on opensim.sln and compile with the ide
2018-12-02 00:04 <Ubit> runprebuild does detect 2017
2018-12-02 00:04 <Ubit> at least mine :)
2018-12-02 00:05 <Ubit> but for reasons ms knows, the .net framework does install a outdated msbuild 
2018-12-02 00:05 <Ubit> good for .net 4.0 to 4.5 
2018-12-02 00:05 <Ubit> and c#5.0 ??
2018-12-02 00:05 <Ubit> while 2017 is c#7.3 now
2018-12-02 00:06 <Ubit> and so mono 5.16
2018-12-02 00:07 <Ubit> uff i may just give up the compile.bat and tell to compile with the ide :)
2018-12-02 00:08 <zadark> Found msbuild at "C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio\2017\Community\MSBuild\15.0\Bin\"
2018-12-02 00:08 <zadark> Creating compile.bat
2018-12-02 00:08 <Ubit> yeap
2018-12-02 00:08 <Ubit> that i could test :)
2018-12-02 00:10 <zadark> compile.bat = "C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio\2017\Community\MSBuild\15.0\Bin\"\msbuild opensim.sln 
2018-12-02 00:11 <Ubit> odd if i change the .bet to find the 4.0 it works fine
2018-12-02 00:11 <Ubit> no idea why not on 14.0
2018-12-02 00:12 <zadark> running compile.bat from 'Command Prompt' looks good
2018-12-02 00:12 <Ubit> well it may have subversions.. dunno
2018-12-02 00:13 <Ubit> yeap works ok with current 2017
2018-12-02 00:13 <zadark> 1 warning 0 error :)
2018-12-02 00:13 <zadark> normally open VS 2017 here
2018-12-02 00:13 <Ubit> well you will see the errors inworld :p
2018-12-02 00:13 <Ubit> yeap i also use the ide always
2018-12-02 00:14 <zadark> always clean before rebuild, habit
2018-12-02 00:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #6027 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-02 00:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6027: SUCCESS in 6 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6027/
2018-12-02 00:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: simplify a bit
2018-12-02 16:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #6028 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-02 16:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6028: SUCCESS in 8 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6028/
2018-12-02 16:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid a data copy
2018-12-02 17:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #6029 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-02 17:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6029: SUCCESS in 6 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6029/
2018-12-02 17:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: stats heap allocation rate can negative
2018-12-02 17:47 <cuga_rajal> Ubit and Misterblue are heroes
2018-12-02 17:47 <Ubit> yes we are
2018-12-02 17:47 <Ubit> LOL
2018-12-02 17:47 <Ubit> :p
2018-12-02 17:48 <cuga_rajal> I finally did a thorough side by side between the physics engines
2018-12-02 17:48 <Ubit> outch
2018-12-02 17:48 <cuga_rajal> Both are working well
2018-12-02 17:48 <cuga_rajal> and have diff quirks
2018-12-02 17:48 <Ubit> well we do have 2 for a reason :)
2018-12-02 17:48 <cuga_rajal> Fixed my problem
2018-12-02 17:48 <Ubit> actually 3
2018-12-02 17:48 <cuga_rajal> Oh the old one?
2018-12-02 17:49 <Ubit> well better not count it
2018-12-02 17:49 <Ubit> what was the problem then ?
2018-12-02 17:50 <cuga_rajal> I don;t keep the pendulum physical until someone sits on it, then I apply an impulse
2018-12-02 17:50 <cuga_rajal> So no wated CPU when not in use
2018-12-02 17:50 <cuga_rajal> wasted
2018-12-02 17:50 <cuga_rajal> On sit, I make it physical and apply an impulse
2018-12-02 17:51 <cuga_rajal> So, now I have tro add a 1/2 sec delay between making physicsl and applying impulse
2018-12-02 17:51 <cuga_rajal> Otherwise it breaks
2018-12-02 17:51 <cuga_rajal> No delay needed before
2018-12-02 17:51 <Ubit> ohh
2018-12-02 17:51 <cuga_rajal> Thats on Bullet
2018-12-02 17:52 <cuga_rajal> Diff problem on ubODE
2018-12-02 17:52 <Ubit> guess it does need the delay, does it ?
2018-12-02 17:52 <cuga_rajal> Shouldnt need it, but the work-around is ok
2018-12-02 17:53 <cuga_rajal> I'll mention to misterblue
2018-12-02 17:53 <cuga_rajal> On ubODE the pendulum stops swinging at the top of the angle
2018-12-02 17:53 <cuga_rajal> No fix
2018-12-02 17:53 <Ubit> ill need to retouch that one day
2018-12-02 17:53 <Ubit> it is ugly
2018-12-02 17:54 <cuga_rajal> Motion is generally much smoother on ubODE, no random bumps when driving fast cars on ubODE
2018-12-02 17:54 <cuga_rajal> Bullet is bumpy
2018-12-02 17:55 <cuga_rajal> Cars wont go faster than 185mph on ubODE no matter how much force I add, Bullet can go over 500mph
2018-12-02 17:55 <Ubit> i don't like suicidal ppl :p
2018-12-02 17:55 <misterblue> changing to physical is rough in BulletSim... there is a lot of code that tries to handle physical and linksets that requires correct frame time, etc
2018-12-02 17:55 <cuga_rajal> lol
2018-12-02 17:55 <misterblue> that's part of the physics engine that could use a rework
2018-12-02 17:56 <Ubit> well that needed delay may had been my doing
2018-12-02 17:56 <Ubit> bullet was crashing 
2018-12-02 17:56 <misterblue> and the bumpyness is a feature of the Bullet physics engine itself... there are a lot of Bullet forum posts about how to handle meshes sliding over meshes
2018-12-02 17:56 <Ubit> you are running it single thread cuga ?
2018-12-02 17:57 <Ubit> if not check if the delay is needed in single thread
2018-12-02 17:57 <cuga_rajal> Not sure, how do I check that?
2018-12-02 17:57 <Ubit> its on bullet section on ini
2018-12-02 17:57 <cuga_rajal> checking..
2018-12-02 17:57 <Ubit> don't remember name or default 
2018-12-02 17:59 <cuga_rajal> I dont see a thread setting in Bullet section, only in XEngine
2018-12-02 17:59 <Ubit> ;UseSeparatePhysicsThread = false
2018-12-02 18:00 <Ubit> possible its the default already
2018-12-02 18:00 <cuga_rajal> Hmm not in my OpenSim.ini
2018-12-02 18:01 <cuga_rajal> 'UseSeparatePhysicsThread' not in the stock ini
2018-12-02 18:01 <Ubit> that means it is using the one on code or defaults.ini
2018-12-02 18:01 <misterblue> or, from the console, you can say "physics get UseSeparatePhysicsThread"
2018-12-02 18:01 <misterblue> you can do 'physics get all' to see all the physics engine parameters
2018-12-02 18:02 <cuga_rajal> Love those hidden commands
2018-12-02 18:02 <Ubit> never mind already false on defaults.ini
2018-12-02 18:02 <cuga_rajal> ok, is false.. Should I change it?
2018-12-02 18:03 <Ubit> safer false
2018-12-02 18:03 <Ubit> the heartbeat thread has not much else to do
2018-12-02 18:04 <Ubit> ubode needs that 0.5s delay also ??
2018-12-02 18:04 <cuga_rajal> No
2018-12-02 18:04 <Ubit> ok
2018-12-02 18:04 <cuga_rajal> Bullet didnt need it before
2018-12-02 18:04 <Ubit> yeah but it was doing something out of order and BUMMM
2018-12-02 18:05 <Ubit> something for MB to review i just patched :)
2018-12-02 18:05 <cuga_rajal> Wish I could set RandomBumps = FALSE on Bullet
2018-12-02 18:05 <Ubit> BUMMM is worse than a little extra delay :)
2018-12-02 18:05 <cuga_rajal> Racecars sometimes go flying
2018-12-02 18:05 <Ubit> that also happens on ode
2018-12-02 18:06 <cuga_rajal> Not while I was watching
2018-12-02 18:06 <Ubit> collision with mesh edges
2018-12-02 18:06 <Ubit> that the engine fails to see it should ignore
2018-12-02 18:06 <cuga_rajal> The car track is on empty land and right on the ground. Phantom, so cars are directly on ground
2018-12-02 18:06 <Ubit> see a box has a diagonal edge in middle..
2018-12-02 18:07 <cuga_rajal> On ubODE driving is totally smooth
2018-12-02 18:07 <Ubit> sometimes engines do a collision with that edge
2018-12-02 18:07 <Ubit> and should ignore it
2018-12-02 18:07 <cuga_rajal> aaahh
2018-12-02 18:07 <misterblue> BulletSim could use some more tuning for collision threshold and pre-collision distance checking... but it's hard to fit all cases
2018-12-02 18:07 <Ubit> well guess never happens on a simple box but just the idea
2018-12-02 18:08 <Ubit> ( a simple box is not even a mesh.. was jsut idea :) )
2018-12-02 18:09 <cuga_rajal> When I upload mesh I usually set physics shape to a cube anyway.. is that bad?
2018-12-02 18:09 <cuga_rajal> or better?
2018-12-02 18:09 <Ubit> nin
2018-12-02 18:10 <Ubit> depends on what you want for physics collions type prim
2018-12-02 18:10 <cuga_rajal> Oh I do have a couple tweaks in my ini file.. wondering if these make physics better or worse?
2018-12-02 18:10 <cuga_rajal> MaxThreads = 400
2018-12-02 18:10 <cuga_rajal> MinTimerInterval = 0.089
2018-12-02 18:10 <misterblue> the best physics shapes are spheres and cubes (rectangular)... most good vehicles are phantom mesh shells with invisible physical shapes made of spheres and cubes
2018-12-02 18:10 <cuga_rajal> any issues?
2018-12-02 18:11 <Ubit> yeap best mesh for physics is a TYPE NONE one :)
2018-12-02 18:11 <cuga_rajal> Yeah I always make then NONE :)
2018-12-02 18:11 <Ubit> if so you don't need to set anything for physics
2018-12-02 18:12 <cuga_rajal> ok
2018-12-02 18:12 <Ubit> on ubode those meshs will use the default convex hull viewers always upload, or non
2018-12-02 18:13 <cuga_rajal> My car script sets all car prims to type NONE except for the invisible root cube on the ground
2018-12-02 18:13 <Ubit> and oyu cna set them CONVEX ( that) one NONE
2018-12-02 18:13 <Ubit> ill say nothing about bullet on that :p
2018-12-02 18:13 <Ubit> but none works fine on bullet also
2018-12-02 18:13 <Ubit> and as we said the best option for vehicles
2018-12-02 18:14 <cuga_rajal> Yeah, I think thats as low-impact as I can make it for physics
2018-12-02 18:14 <Ubit> invible spheres and boxes do better collider shape
2018-12-02 18:14 <misterblue> BulletSim tries to make a physical shape for a random mesh using a convex hull generator... it's an approximation
2018-12-02 18:14 <Ubit> some simple cars are just a slinding root box :)
2018-12-02 18:15 <cuga_rajal> All my cars are that :)
2018-12-02 18:15 <Ubit> other have spheres for wheels
2018-12-02 18:15 <misterblue> both physics engines compute collision surfaces for spheres and boxes using the math of the shape rather than trying to calculate overlap of mesh surfaces
2018-12-02 18:15 <misterblue> that's both quicker and more accurate
2018-12-02 18:15 <Ubit> so 5 invisible prims for physics ( and script )
2018-12-02 18:16 <Ubit> and a few more boxes to give some more aprox shape for rest of car
2018-12-02 18:16 <cuga_rajal> I set wheels and everything on car to type None
2018-12-02 18:16 <Ubit> mesh is only visual part
2018-12-02 18:16 <cuga_rajal> except for one box on ground
2018-12-02 18:17 <Ubit> yeap that is the basic
2018-12-02 18:17 <cuga_rajal> Car drives smooth as silk across a large varregion on ubODE, still bumpy with Bullet
2018-12-02 18:17 <Ubit> but pure box
2018-12-02 18:17 <Ubit> not torture
2018-12-02 18:17 <cuga_rajal> The bumps are probably more life-like anyway
2018-12-02 18:17 <Ubit> or it will be a mesh on unode
2018-12-02 18:17 <cuga_rajal> adds a random challenge :)
2018-12-02 18:17 <Ubit> better add 4 spheres for wheels
2018-12-02 18:18 <Ubit> spheres are faster colliders than box
2018-12-02 18:18 <Ubit> possible 4 == one box
2018-12-02 18:18 <Ubit> and car does follow terrain a bit better
2018-12-02 18:19 <Ubit> well 4 sp + 1 root box is my pref model for simple cars
2018-12-02 18:19 <cuga_rajal> Seems 1 prim is less CPU than 5 prims
2018-12-02 18:19 <Ubit> no
2018-12-02 18:20 <Ubit> depends on the prim shape
2018-12-02 18:20 <Ubit> and spheres are the best
2018-12-02 18:20 <cuga_rajal> Should I use invisible sphere as car base instead of invisible box?
2018-12-02 18:20 <Ubit> if oyu want the car to role all over :p
2018-12-02 18:20 <Ubit> oyu need at least 3 sheres :p
2018-12-02 18:21 <cuga_rajal> aaah
2018-12-02 18:21 <Ubit> so just put one around each wheel
2018-12-02 18:21 <cuga_rajal> How about cylinder wheels?
2018-12-02 18:21 <cuga_rajal> sphere better?
2018-12-02 18:21 <Ubit> cylinder is complex thing on ubode ( a mesh =
2018-12-02 18:22 <Ubit> we told spheres... and boxes didn't we ? :p
2018-12-02 18:22 <cuga_rajal> Ok, how about just 4 invisible spheres at the wheels, no box.. 
2018-12-02 18:22 <cuga_rajal> Better than 5?
2018-12-02 18:22 <misterblue> same in BulletSim... a cylinder becomes a mesh shape... sphere is a computed shape (center with radius)
2018-12-02 18:22 <Ubit> and sphere means x=y=z !!!
2018-12-02 18:22 <misterblue> what Ubit said!
2018-12-02 18:22 <Ubit> no torture at all
2018-12-02 18:22 <cuga_rajal> ok, no physics cylinder :)
2018-12-02 18:22 <Ubit> box can have x!=y!=z
2018-12-02 18:23 <Ubit> yeap a sphere on physics is just a postion and a radius
2018-12-02 18:23 <misterblue> just four spheres will work as the base... but then people can walk through the middle of the car :)
2018-12-02 18:24 <Ubit> i add a root prim as base on top of the spheres and physical also
2018-12-02 18:24 <cuga_rajal> When car parked, the car script restores original physics types
2018-12-02 18:24 <Ubit> so gives a bit body to the car
2018-12-02 18:24 <Ubit> what for?
2018-12-02 18:25 <Ubit> let the dam mesh be type NONE always
2018-12-02 18:25 <Ubit> messing with types is heavy also
2018-12-02 18:25 <cuga_rajal> So I can have type Prim when not driven, car script changes types of individual child prims to None when driving
2018-12-02 18:25 <Ubit> is rermaking the prim on physics basicly
2018-12-02 18:25 <Ubit> don't do that
2018-12-02 18:25 <misterblue> turning 'physical' on and off is a very heavy operation in BulletSim -- especially the first time
2018-12-02 18:26 <cuga_rajal> Why?
2018-12-02 18:26 <Ubit> just turn of physics parked
2018-12-02 18:26 <cuga_rajal> Its heavy but only lasts a couple secs
2018-12-02 18:26 <misterblue> (it computes and caches the convex hulls the first time)
2018-12-02 18:26 <Ubit> i already told.. chage type is heavy
2018-12-02 18:26 <Ubit> ubode also caches
2018-12-02 18:26 <Ubit> but does expire the caches :p
2018-12-02 18:27 <Ubit> and it is rebuilding the entire thing
2018-12-02 18:27 <cuga_rajal> Well Ive been doing that for months now and seems to work fine
2018-12-02 18:27 <Ubit> not telling it does not work
2018-12-02 18:27 <Ubit> just it is a waste
2018-12-02 18:27 <cuga_rajal> Alternatively just leave all child proms None all the time
2018-12-02 18:27 <Ubit> and the static mesh is still a colider there on region
2018-12-02 18:28 <cuga_rajal> and not switch
2018-12-02 18:28 <Ubit> no need to change type
2018-12-02 18:28 <Ubit> just add a littlr more more boxes so ppl can walk on roof if u want
2018-12-02 18:29 <cuga_rajal> Well thats why I switch types when starting/stopping to drive
2018-12-02 18:29 <Ubit> a car mesh to be visually nice is heavy for physics
2018-12-02 18:29 <Ubit> even stopped 
2018-12-02 18:30 <Ubit> but well options :)
2018-12-02 18:30 <cuga_rajal> I never have mesh both Physics and type Prim at the same time
2018-12-02 18:30 <Ubit> you can set the mesh to convex at most
2018-12-02 18:30 <cuga_rajal> either physics is off, or I set to None
2018-12-02 18:30 <cuga_rajal> or convex
2018-12-02 18:31 <Ubit> changing type is havy, takes time
2018-12-02 18:31 <cuga_rajal> Car script does that when taking controls
2018-12-02 18:31 <cuga_rajal> How much time?
2018-12-02 18:31 <Ubit> start driving can take time
2018-12-02 18:31 <misterblue> back in a bit...
2018-12-02 18:31 <Ubit> depend on complexity
2018-12-02 18:31 <Ubit> adn more things
2018-12-02 18:32 <Ubit> you are burning memory
2018-12-02 18:32 <Ubit> physics add memory that needs to stay fixed in address
2018-12-02 18:32 <cuga_rajal> Theres no good reason for my mesh to ever be Prim anyway, at least oin my application
2018-12-02 18:32 <cuga_rajal> So I generally make it Convex or none
2018-12-02 18:32 <Ubit> that will mean it may prevent region from releasiong memory not in use
2018-12-02 18:32 <cuga_rajal> The car script is switching types of regular prims typically
2018-12-02 18:33 <Ubit> a lot better to have the car there whne region starts
2018-12-02 18:33 <Ubit> its objects will pack well on memory
2018-12-02 18:33 <cuga_rajal> Thats generally how I do it
2018-12-02 18:33 <Ubit> but chaning type as i said will allocate pinned mem all over
2018-12-02 18:34 <Ubit> works of course.. just costs
2018-12-02 18:34 <cuga_rajal> Even if Im not changing type of mesh?
2018-12-02 18:34 <cuga_rajal> I mean, only of non-mesh?
2018-12-02 18:35 <cuga_rajal> Less cost than mesh I guess, but still a cost
2018-12-02 18:35 <Ubit> as i said, you can chane type at runtime
2018-12-02 18:35 <Ubit> just it does have costs
2018-12-02 18:36 <cuga_rajal> Still better than leaving all prims as physics type Prim and driving around
2018-12-02 18:37 <Ubit> i said to turn off physics
2018-12-02 18:37 <Ubit> and TYPE none on mesh all the time
2018-12-02 18:37 <Ubit> that is was i said, not PRIM all the time :p
2018-12-02 18:37 <cuga_rajal> Yeah
2018-12-02 18:38 <Ubit> but each car is a case
2018-12-02 18:38 <Ubit> or boat airplane etc
2018-12-02 18:38 <cuga_rajal> So I guess my take-away from today's lesson is.. 
2018-12-02 18:39 <cuga_rajal> Try using 4 invisible spheres at the wheels instead of one invisible box
2018-12-02 18:39 <cuga_rajal> Avoid changing prim physics types unless I have to
2018-12-02 18:39 <Ubit> i just move the box up and use it as root prim
2018-12-02 18:39 <cuga_rajal> ok
2018-12-02 18:40 <Ubit> good to have prim with X in the right direction for vehicles :)
2018-12-02 18:40 <Ubit> rotate frame is a mess :)
2018-12-02 18:40 <cuga_rajal> It has to be since that's applying impulse :)
2018-12-02 18:41 <Ubit> i once played with vehicle rotate frame at sl
2018-12-02 18:41 <Ubit> what a mess lol
2018-12-02 18:41 <cuga_rajal> I wonder if the 4 sphere thing will make driving less bumpy on Bullet
2018-12-02 18:42 <Ubit> just take yr car
2018-12-02 18:42 <cuga_rajal> Easy to test
2018-12-02 18:42 <Ubit> move root up relative to mesh
2018-12-02 18:42 <Ubit> and add spheres around wheels
2018-12-02 18:42 <cuga_rajal> Yeah pretty easy
2018-12-02 18:44 <Ubit> better edit withou physics specially on bullet :p
2018-12-02 18:44 <Ubit> eidting physical prims was a funny thing in past :)
2018-12-02 18:44 <Ubit> physical linksets
2018-12-02 18:45 <cuga_rajal> Yes I know :)
2018-12-02 18:45 <cuga_rajal> Have seen funny things
2018-12-02 18:45 <cuga_rajal> If you have the time to look at a car script I would be interested in your thoughts
2018-12-02 18:45 <cuga_rajal> https://github.com/cuga-rajal/supercar_plus
2018-12-02 18:45 <Ubit> always good turn off physics :)
2018-12-02 18:46 <Ubit> complex :p
2018-12-02 18:46 <cuga_rajal> Trying to simplify
2018-12-02 18:46 <cuga_rajal> Started with Shin Ingen's script
2018-12-02 18:47 <Ubit> turnl = llEuler2Rot(DEG_TO_RAD * <90,30,0>);
2018-12-02 18:47 <Ubit> lazy
2018-12-02 18:48 <cuga_rajal> :p
2018-12-02 18:48 <Ubit> just write the damm rotation
2018-12-02 18:48 <cuga_rajal> My brain thinks in degrees
2018-12-02 18:48 <Ubit> that has issues
2018-12-02 18:48 <cuga_rajal> That code only gets executed when you turn left or right
2018-12-02 18:48 <Ubit> what is the longitude at north pole?
2018-12-02 18:48 <cuga_rajal> 0 radians 
2018-12-02 18:49 <Ubit> is it?
2018-12-02 18:49 <Ubit> why not 42.3?
2018-12-02 18:49 <cuga_rajal> oh, pi/2 radians
2018-12-02 18:49 <Ubit> well seen the prob with euler angles?
2018-12-02 18:49 <cuga_rajal> Well that part of the code seems to work just fine
2018-12-02 18:50 <Ubit> it any
2018-12-02 18:50 <Ubit> that is a issue with euler angles representation
2018-12-02 18:50 <cuga_rajal> It only needs to calculate once on script compile
2018-12-02 18:53 <Ubit> on ubode
2018-12-02 18:53 <Ubit> llSetVehicleFloatParam(VEHICLE_HOVER_HEIGHT, 0 ); WILL NOT stop hover
2018-12-02 18:54 <Ubit> llSetVehicleFloatParam(VEHICLE_HOVER_TIMESCALE, gVHT ); will if VHT > 300
2018-12-02 18:54 <cuga_rajal> That part was left over from Shin';s code, I never really looked at it
2018-12-02 18:54 <Ubit> and only that
2018-12-02 18:54 <cuga_rajal> Thats the kind of thing i need toi improve
2018-12-02 18:54 <Ubit> yes i remember this script at digiworldz testing ubOde
2018-12-02 18:54 <Ubit> hover always on :p
2018-12-02 18:54 <Ubit> well this or similar
2018-12-02 18:55 <Ubit> airplames stuck at 0m :p
2018-12-02 18:55 <cuga_rajal> So for land vehicles maybe take that out
2018-12-02 18:55 <Ubit> well that is a non standard thing on uoOde
2018-12-02 18:55 <Ubit> happens it also does negative hover
2018-12-02 18:55 <Ubit> nice for submarines
2018-12-02 18:56 <cuga_rajal> This is the script I was using to test cars on ubODE 
2018-12-02 18:56 <Ubit> or boats
2018-12-02 18:56 <cuga_rajal> So that line doesnt break anything, but not needed then
2018-12-02 18:56 <Ubit> so allowing negative and positive values and not Zero  Yeackkk
2018-12-02 18:57 <cuga_rajal> That car script review is a deep discussion :)
2018-12-02 18:57 <Ubit> nut it is non standard :(
2018-12-02 18:57 <cuga_rajal> Have to run, but would love to chat more about that script
2018-12-02 18:58 <cuga_rajal> Interested in any notes you have on it
2018-12-02 18:58 <cuga_rajal> cugarajal@gmail.com
2018-12-02 18:58 <Ubit> oops already closed the site :p
2018-12-02 18:58 <cuga_rajal> https://github.com/cuga-rajal/supercar_plus
2018-12-02 18:58 <cuga_rajal> lol
2018-12-02 18:58 <Ubit> see it also runs on Yengine
2018-12-02 18:58 <cuga_rajal> Hey thanks again
2018-12-02 18:58 <cuga_rajal> Oh I should try that
2018-12-02 18:58 <Ubit> better start ficing for that also
2018-12-02 18:58 <Ubit> fixing
2018-12-02 19:11 <misterblue> is YEngine fully operational and considered the one to use these days?
2018-12-02 19:11 <Ubit> mostly yes
2018-12-02 19:16 <misterblue> does it have the extension stuff to add new functions and constants to the engine?
2018-12-02 19:16 <misterblue> there are a few modules I have that used the feature of XEngine
2018-12-02 19:17 <Ubit> i did remove some extentions
2018-12-02 19:17 <Ubit> a few more to consider
2018-12-02 19:17 <Ubit> for now better just test normal LSL 
2018-12-02 19:18 <Ubit> functions and constants should not be part of a engine
2018-12-02 19:18 <misterblue> it does look like the code is there... a bunch is in 'ScriptEngine/Shared' and YEngine does reference it 
2018-12-02 19:18 <Ubit> i did not removed all :)
2018-12-02 19:18 <misterblue> will have to test
2018-12-02 19:19 <Ubit> but Y should use normal API and constants
2018-12-02 19:19 <Ubit> i did move a few it had to ossl
2018-12-02 19:19 <misterblue> it's part of ScriptModuleComms where external modules can add functions and constants to the script engine
2018-12-02 19:20 <misterblue> looks like JsonStore and ExtendedPhysics are the only standard modules that use that feature
2018-12-02 19:21 <Ubit> thats is nasty
2018-12-02 19:21 <Ubit> a attach module also used
2018-12-02 19:21 <Ubit> i removed
2018-12-02 19:21 <Ubit> but well should work still
2018-12-02 19:22 <Ubit> just out of script sintax etc
2018-12-02 19:33 <misterblue> doesn't seem to work for ExtendedPhysics -- the module waits for RegionLoaded before registering its functions but that is after YEngine has iniitialized the function tables
2018-12-02 19:35 <Ubit> hmm
2018-12-02 19:35 <misterblue> YEngine does the function setting in 'OneTimeLateInitialization' but that must not be late enough :)
2018-12-02 19:35 <Ubit> possible
2018-12-02 19:35 <Ubit> the tempattach module was working
2018-12-02 19:35 <misterblue> guess there is no reason that ExtendedPhysics can't register earlier... I'll try that
2018-12-02 19:35 <Ubit> bf i just made it standard api
2018-12-02 19:38 <Ubit> hmm to register you need ScriptModuleComms loaded no?
2018-12-02 19:40 <misterblue> yes
2018-12-02 19:42 <Ubit> tempattach was adding on regionloaded as needed
2018-12-02 19:42 <Ubit> well possible i did not tested it on Y, don't remember
2018-12-02 19:43 <Ubit> guess Y needed a regionsLoadedLoaded :p
2018-12-02 19:43 <misterblue> LOL
2018-12-02 19:43 <misterblue> this stuff is part of the modInvoke feature of XEngine
2018-12-02 19:44 <misterblue> what does YEngine not do yet? I notice it's not mentioned in the INI files
2018-12-02 19:45 <Ubit> xmr seems to have it
2018-12-02 19:45 <misterblue> oh wait... I did find it in OpenSim.ini... it's just not in OpenSimDefaults.ini
2018-12-02 19:45 <Ubit>         * @brief Generate code for the calls to the comms functions.
2018-12-02 19:45 <Ubit>          *        It is a tRUlY EvIL interface.
2018-12-02 19:45 <Ubit>          *        To call the function we must call an XMRInstanceSuperType.m_ApiManager_MOD.modInvoker?()
2018-12-02 19:45 <Ubit>          *        method passing it the name of the function as a string and the script
2018-12-02 19:46 <Ubit> some settings on X need to be pasted on Y section
2018-12-02 19:48 <Ubit> well the low level code is there
2018-12-02 19:49 <misterblue> ya... will take some digging to figure out what's going on
2018-12-02 19:50 <Ubit> well i don't like much that mech, so didn't look :)
2018-12-02 19:50 <misterblue> YEngine can only used in one region?
2018-12-02 19:50 <Ubit> at least the temp attachments had no business using it
2018-12-02 19:50 <Ubit> my test is 2 regions on same instance
2018-12-02 19:51 <misterblue> that works for you?
2018-12-02 19:51 <Ubit> yeap
2018-12-02 19:51 <misterblue> wonder why the warning in OpenSim.ini
2018-12-02 19:51 <Ubit> what warning ?
2018-12-02 19:52 <misterblue> [YEngine]
2018-12-02 19:52 <misterblue>     ;; experimental engine
2018-12-02 19:52 <misterblue>     ;; ONLY SUPORTS ONE REGION PER INSTANCE at this point
2018-12-02 19:52 <Ubit> thats me scaring ppl that don't know well out :p
2018-12-02 19:52 <misterblue> LOL
2018-12-02 19:52 <Ubit> ( and old warning now =
2018-12-02 19:53 <Ubit> guess there was a issue on that bc then
2018-12-02 19:53 <misterblue> I like the modInvoke idea. At least the idea of removing world specific operations from the base script engine
2018-12-02 19:54 <misterblue> like all the vehicle physics stuff should be in it's own module that just adds functions to the script engine
2018-12-02 19:54 <Ubit> you mean base API
2018-12-02 19:55 <Ubit> well it makes even harder scripts compatibility
2018-12-02 19:55 <Ubit> for that you need a defined api
2018-12-02 19:55 <misterblue> then the NPC functions are not directly coded in the script engine -- the script engine just executes and blocks of functionality (vehicles, npc, ...) are added by world/region modules
2018-12-02 19:56 <misterblue> ya... there is the 'scripts run everywhere' problem... but there would be a shipped set of known functionality that would make the base
2018-12-02 19:56 <Ubit> i see uses
2018-12-02 19:56 <Ubit> but don't like ;)
2018-12-02 19:57 <Ubit> but it is suposed to work!!
2018-12-02 19:57 <misterblue> stick-in-the-mud :-P
2018-12-02 19:58 <Ubit> ive done nothing (intensionaly) to kill it
2018-12-02 19:58 <Ubit> as i said just took tempattach out bc no business there, its a standard ll thing
2018-12-02 19:58 <misterblue> then there is just some quirk that needs to be found... I'll put it on my ToDo list LOL
2018-12-02 19:59 <Ubit> also the damm module was mostly duplocation of code on main attachment module
2018-12-02 19:59 <Ubit> try to see those bullet issues that i just blindly patched
2018-12-02 19:59 <Ubit> one or 2 mantis about bullet crashes
2018-12-02 20:00 <Ubit> on 0.91 ( .net 4.6 )
2018-12-02 20:00 <misterblue> I did look at them and you did the Right Thing
2018-12-02 20:00 <Ubit> well we have the need for that delay cuja reported now
2018-12-02 20:01 <misterblue> like, that check for null in relinksetting... there was a comment a few functions above that about checking for null as there was an initialization race condition
2018-12-02 20:01 <Ubit> yeap
2018-12-02 20:02 <Ubit> but that was working for yrs
2018-12-02 20:02 <misterblue> I really wish to rip all that code out. Linkset initialization is just too complex
2018-12-02 20:02 <misterblue> I would like to change the physics API to initialize a linkset in one operation rather than link-by-link
2018-12-02 20:02 <Ubit> well i was suprised with all mass on root prim
2018-12-02 20:02 <misterblue> that would eliminate a bunch of race conditions
2018-12-02 20:03 <Ubit> old ode did that ?
2018-12-02 20:03 <misterblue> no... we didn't change the physics interface because the old ODE didn't do that
2018-12-02 20:03 <Ubit> it did place on CM like ubOde no ?
2018-12-02 20:04 <misterblue> it was a change Rev made to Aurora that I thought was a good one
2018-12-02 20:04 <Ubit> only if he did it after i left
2018-12-02 20:04 <Ubit> bc aurora is ubOde older version
2018-12-02 20:04 <misterblue> it may have been you that did it :)
2018-12-02 20:04 <Ubit> no i didn't :)
2018-12-02 20:05 <Ubit> makes life easy but not nice
2018-12-02 20:05 <Ubit> hmm that reminds me, i need to check the ossl cm override functions on that
2018-12-02 20:06 <Ubit> don't remember if i fix the body placement.. guess not
2018-12-02 20:06 <Ubit> well they are to be used bf setting physical on, so possible i did :)
2018-12-02 20:07 <Ubit> but even bf aurora, i went dig into mesh to get each true CM
2018-12-02 20:07 <Ubit> so i don't see me putting all on root
2018-12-02 20:08 <misterblue> the Bullet engine always assumes the center-of-movement is the root mesh... I would have  to displace all the meshes so the 'center' was where the center-of-gravity should be
2018-12-02 20:08 <misterblue> I never got the displacement and un-displacment code working
2018-12-02 20:08 <Ubit> it takes some work
2018-12-02 20:08 <Ubit> but expected
2018-12-02 20:08 <misterblue> same for the raycasting... code is there but not tested/working
2018-12-02 20:09 <Ubit> well but CM thing is another dif btw ubOde and bullet
2018-12-02 20:09 <Ubit> grrr
2018-12-02 20:09 <misterblue> have you and Mel given up on the unit tests?
2018-12-02 20:09 <Ubit> hopefully only some things will notice it
2018-12-02 20:09 <Ubit> unity? was unreal 
2018-12-02 20:10 <misterblue> no, the unit OpenSim unit tests when building the binaries
2018-12-02 20:10 <Ubit> the ones jenkins is doing?
2018-12-02 20:10 <misterblue> yes
2018-12-02 20:11 <Ubit> well it is doing a subset of all
2018-12-02 20:11 <Ubit> diva did add a few for permitions.. 
2018-12-02 20:11 <Ubit> but pretty much as they where unit2.0 i think
2018-12-02 20:12 <Ubit> my vs2017 can run them also
2018-12-02 20:17 <Ubit> rl, brb
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2018-12-02 20:18 <misterblue> same here... off for a bit
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2018-12-03 17:20 <Tampa> Ubit: When PhysX?
2018-12-03 17:24 <misterblue> when some developer has the time/interest to port it :)
2018-12-03 17:25 <misterblue> the other question is how many people have GPUs in their servers
2018-12-03 17:25 <Tampa> Some places starting offering them when the whole machine learning craze started
2018-12-03 17:26 <Tampa> It was more a joke actually, Nvidia slapped some terms on it that I have not read, but knowing them...
2018-12-03 17:26 <Tampa> Open source, but under strict eula or something as typical
2018-12-03 17:26 <Tampa> You can technically run physx on cpu, just not very well
2018-12-03 17:27 <Tampa> Alternatively repurpose some old workstation with a quadro in it or something
2018-12-03 17:28 <misterblue> the Bullet physics engine can do some hardware acceleration but the hardware interface libraries are so different for the different platforms, it's hard to make a general solution
2018-12-03 17:32 <misterblue> wow... I haven't looked at the Bullet web site in a while... it's now PyBullet and is focusing on robotics and VR
2018-12-03 17:32 <Tampa> ew python
2018-12-03 17:36 <misterblue> ya... the robots world is all Python
2018-12-03 17:39 <BillBlight> I’m on the Nvidia SDK list, and have read the License, while it is opensource for Developers, to redistribute it , there are all kinds of hoops you have to jump through and rules you have to adhere to ..  Some of them I don’t even think we can accomplish..
2018-12-03 17:40 <Tampa> Betcha some of those are not even legal everywhere knowing Nvidia -.-
2018-12-03 17:41 <BillBlight> Well most involve “Branding” so they would hold up most places
2018-12-03 17:42 <BillBlight> But what most don’t seem to realize is a license for development and a license for redistribution are two separate things
2018-12-03 17:50 <Tampa> Stop being so reasonable I am trying to make Nvidia jokes here xD
2018-12-03 18:17 <Plugh> Tampa: :)
2018-12-03 18:45 <Ubit> why PhyX ?
2018-12-03 18:46 <Ubit> understand that out issues on most physics engines are not on the engines but on how we do use them
2018-12-03 18:46 <Ubit> adding another engine will not fix anything, per si
2018-12-03 18:47 <Ubit> and i think i have the phyx sources somewhere for ages now
2018-12-03 18:47 <Ubit> we only had to register to get them ???
2018-12-03 18:48 <Tampa> Ubit I am well aware of that, just making jokes at the expense of Nvidia, cause why not with how much they charge for their gpus
2018-12-03 18:49 <Ubit> and having sources of something like physx or bullet is useless
2018-12-03 18:49 <Ubit> if we change anything, we are dead
2018-12-03 18:49 <Ubit> on a deadend fork
2018-12-03 18:50 <Ubit> well they are tring to sell now the raytracing thing
2018-12-03 18:52 <Ubit> well im actually forking ode :p
2018-12-03 18:52 <Ubit> but main ode is almost stopped anyways
2018-12-03 18:52 <Ubit> and it is a lot smaller than phyx or bullet
2018-12-03 20:43 <BillBlight> 
ACTION *facepalm*

2018-12-03 20:43 <Ubit> again ?
2018-12-03 20:43 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-12-03 20:44 <BillBlight> trying to explain to someone how to setup a standalone and they are just not listening
2018-12-03 20:59 <Plugh> :)
2018-12-03 20:59 <Plugh> I'm also helping someone deal with getting a region running that will connect to osgrid. They also had to deal with the whole public IP vs private IP and port forwarding issues.
2018-12-03 20:59 <Plugh> 
ACTION sighs

2018-12-03 21:01 <BillBlight> this guy that you see there, he has an osgrid region but he ALSO wants to run a standalone on a non internet mac and he is just not getting it
2018-12-03 21:01 <Tampa> Don't you guys commit sudoku on me over that, I got no towels left to clean that up
2018-12-03 21:02 <BillBlight> you mean seppuku?  LOL ... Sudoku is a numbers game ..
2018-12-03 21:02 <Plugh> hehe... death by Sudoku.   ;)
2018-12-03 21:02 <Tampa> that's the joke
2018-12-03 21:02 <BillBlight> if you say so ....   
2018-12-03 21:02 <Tampa> I am not a numbers person so what's the difference exactly
2018-12-03 21:03 <BillBlight> well, normally you can do Sudoku more than once, seppuku, not so much ...
2018-12-03 21:04 <Tampa> Normally
2018-12-03 21:06 <BillBlight> 
ACTION tests that theory and hands Tampa a Sudoku card ..

2018-12-03 21:52 <Tampa> All these squares make a circle... all these squares make a circle...
2018-12-04 01:16 <misterblue> I always thought there should be a tool that could be run on a client system and it would tell you the connectivity: "can connect to asset server", "cannot loop back to region server", ...
2018-12-04 01:19 <Tampa> The feedback for that already exists and the client already has knowledge of that, just does not say so anywhere
2018-12-04 01:21 <Ubit> other feedback it fails :p
2018-12-04 01:41 <Plugh> I've got someone who wants to run two regions in one instance in 0.9. What is the command to select a region so that an oar load goes to the right region? I thought it was select region <region name> but it came back as Invalid command.
2018-12-04 01:50 <Ubit> there is one comand called HELP
2018-12-04 01:50 <Ubit> :p
2018-12-04 01:51 <Ubit> change region <region name>  is the one you want
2018-12-04 01:53 <Plugh> I did that and couldn't find it. D'oh!
2018-12-04 01:54 <Plugh> I looked in help regions and it wasn't there.
2018-12-04 02:18 <AliciaRaven> if (Plugh == Searching) { HideFeature = true; }
2018-12-04 02:18 <Plugh> Perhaps it doesn't show because I'm only running one region per instance.
2018-12-04 02:19 <AliciaRaven> should say region not found, well i expect it should lol
2018-12-04 02:20 <AliciaRaven> maybe its not in region help, might be under something more general
2018-12-04 02:21 <BillBlight> it’s under general help
2018-12-04 02:22 <BillBlight> first one actually
2018-12-04 02:22 <BillBlight> help general
2018-12-04 02:23 <BillBlight> that should be the first command you memorize ... LOL
2018-12-04 02:45 <Plugh> The problem wasn't region not found. It was command not found.
2018-12-04 03:11 <Plugh> danbanner: ping
2018-12-04 03:12 <danbanner> pong
2018-12-04 03:13 <danbanner> change region 
2018-12-04 03:14 <Plugh> danbanner: I've heard that some people sell stuff in osgrid. How do they do that when osgrid has no official currency.
2018-12-04 03:15 <danbanner> plugh: maybe they use gloebits module or something?
2018-12-04 03:15 <danbanner> or just have stuff set for sale by accident?
2018-12-04 03:16 <danbanner> or use paypal?
2018-12-04 03:16 <Plugh> ok. That's sort of what I thought. Just wanted to confirm that. 
2018-12-04 03:16 <danbanner> ya its certainly not any official currency
2018-12-04 03:48 <Plugh> I've seldom travelled to regions now owned by osgrid so I haven't seen items for sale.
2018-12-04 03:48 <Plugh> Well, not items for sale at anything more than $0.
2018-12-04 03:50 <Plugh> oh. "change region" is in the General category and not in the regions category. :P
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2018-12-04 22:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: GetAssets: we still need to service avatars that did left region
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2018-12-05 03:30 <Plugh> danbanner: osgrid was having some problems with the asset server a few hours ago.
2018-12-05 03:30 <danbanner> ya sorted
2018-12-05 03:31 <Plugh> ok. I know someone who wanted to load an oar file. I'll tell them to go ahead and try loading it now.
2018-12-05 03:31 <danbanner> sure
2018-12-05 03:33 <Plugh> ty
2018-12-05 22:05 <Velus> djphil, you about
2018-12-05 22:24 <djphil> What Velus ?
2018-12-06 00:37 <Plugh> 
ACTION waves to dan

2018-12-06 00:38 <Plugh> danbanner: Was there any issues with the inventory server today. There were some reports of "Bad Gateway" showing up part way through some IAR loads.
2018-12-06 00:38 <danbanner> strange
2018-12-06 00:39 <danbanner> everything looks fine
2018-12-06 00:39 <danbanner> i didnt get any alerts
2018-12-06 00:39 <Plugh> danbanner: BTW, the region tiles on the osgrid only show standard size tiles. I worked on another grid system where I got it to show the real size of the regions. I could have a look at your map generation code some time, if you would like.
2018-12-06 00:40 <Plugh> It would help those people placing new regions they want to connect to the grid.
2018-12-06 00:40 <danbanner> on the website?
2018-12-06 00:40 <Plugh> yes.
2018-12-06 00:40 <Plugh> https://www.osgrid.org/map.php
2018-12-06 00:40 <danbanner> i'll get with you this weekend if you're around
2018-12-06 00:41 <Plugh> Um... this weekend may not be good. It is the OSCC and I have a family birthday on Sunday.
2018-12-06 00:41 <danbanner> oh right
2018-12-06 00:41 <danbanner> ya i'll be doing that too
2018-12-06 00:43 <Plugh> danbanner: I'm not asking for access to the site. If I was to see the main PHP file used to generate that map I can see if the fix needed is similar to what I've already done.
2018-12-06 00:43 <danbanner> let me see if which php we're using
2018-12-06 00:43 <Plugh> That code looks a bit like something from the very old wifi (not Diva's WiFi) website stuff.
2018-12-06 00:43 <Plugh> ok
2018-12-06 00:49 <danbanner> do you have your maptile stuff on github or anything?
2018-12-06 00:50 <danbanner> i think its old webmap code that was modified to work on php 5.5
2018-12-06 00:51 <Plugh> I don't have the maptile stuff on a public site.
2018-12-06 00:52 <Plugh> I'm thinking I should make an OS related folder in github to hold miscellaneous stuff.
2018-12-06 00:52 <danbanner> ya that would be cool
2018-12-06 00:56 <danbanner> plug see PM
2018-12-06 00:56 <danbanner> plugh*
2018-12-06 00:59 <Plugh> Got it, ty
2018-12-06 01:25 <BillBlight> we use a map based on leaflet, in jopensim, I think djphil was working on a standlone version ..
2018-12-06 01:25 <BillBlight> https://opensim.life/grid-map/gridmap
2018-12-06 01:27 <djphil> Hi
2018-12-06 01:27 <djphil> Yes a bit ...
2018-12-06 01:27 <djphil> i have 3 maps working
2018-12-06 01:27 <djphil> The mel map, the google map and the leaflet
2018-12-06 01:28 <BillBlight> https://github.com/djphil/osleaflet is empy, you holding out on us?
2018-12-06 01:28 <djphil> lol
2018-12-06 01:28 <BillBlight> :P
2018-12-06 01:28 <djphil> exemple available here http://digigrids.no-ip.org/osmodules/
2018-12-06 01:28 <Plugh> That's how you make it work quickly. Don't show any regions on the map. :)
2018-12-06 01:28 <djphil> see osworldmap / oswebmap and osleaflet
2018-12-06 01:29 <djphil> minimap is already used on osgrid
2018-12-06 01:29 <djphil> have the quickmap too ... the old old old metropolise re re re visited
2018-12-06 01:32 <BillBlight> you have a lot of cool toys on there, pitty all the ones I am interested in have empty githubs ... :P
2018-12-06 01:32 <djphil> Foto made a great job on leaflet map :)
2018-12-06 01:32 <paela> var region on map ...
2018-12-06 01:32 <paela> show a hack ..
2018-12-06 01:33 <BillBlight>  https://opensim.life/grid-map/gridmap  var regions on a map
2018-12-06 01:33 <paela> good have see but the day you have 5000 regions you have a big query isnt good for mysql
2018-12-06 01:33 <djphil> Bill, You always say my github empty but I give you what you ask me IM, you've forgotten already?
2018-12-06 01:33 <BillBlight> I know
2018-12-06 01:33 <BillBlight> I just have to give you a hard time djphi
2018-12-06 01:34 <BillBlight> it is what I do
2018-12-06 01:34 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-12-06 01:34 <BillBlight> :P
2018-12-06 01:35 <djphil> Is a lot of hours of work and coffee's
2018-12-06 01:35 <BillBlight> yes
2018-12-06 01:35 <BillBlight> different mysql server the map caches the regions so they are not always pulled live from the grid server, they are only pulled when regions register
2018-12-06 01:36 <BillBlight> or you do a forced update
2018-12-06 01:44 <Plugh> paela: The query for regions can be restricted to only those that would be within the bounds of the area shown on the map.
2018-12-06 01:46 <djphil> if you look here, the Mel map revisited is really very very fast !!!
2018-12-06 01:46 <djphil> http://francogrid.org/carte
2018-12-06 01:47 <Melanie_T> I did make it for a large grid after all
2018-12-06 01:48 <Plugh> Does it properly handle showing regions > 256m on a side?
2018-12-06 01:48 <Melanie_T> not in the OS releae since i haven't updated it
2018-12-06 01:48 <djphil> Normaly the hacked version do it, but not sure
2018-12-06 01:48 <Melanie_T> but code exists do do that
2018-12-06 01:48 <Plugh> ok
2018-12-06 01:49 <Melanie_T> i just lack time to prepare it
2018-12-06 01:49 <djphil> The original work on Linux only
2018-12-06 01:49 <djphil> need hack for windows users :)
2018-12-06 01:49 <Melanie_T> anythign i works only on linux
2018-12-06 01:50 <Melanie_T> i detest windows and none of the work i do privately will ever consider windows
2018-12-06 01:50 <paela> i work only for linux too
2018-12-06 01:50 <Melanie_T> i am not opposed to others making it work on windows but i won't
2018-12-06 01:52 <Plugh> :)
2018-12-06 01:54 <djphil> it's already done :p
2018-12-06 01:57 <danbanner> bill that map doesnt have coordinates?
2018-12-06 02:01 <djphil> You mean the jopensim map dan ?
2018-12-06 02:02 <danbanner> ya the one that showed the vars
2018-12-06 02:02 <djphil> if yes, the coordinates are on the popup
2018-12-06 02:02 <danbanner> i didnt see any popup
2018-12-06 02:02 <djphil> clic on a tile
2018-12-06 02:02 <paela> he said for make a new region ( map not show the coordinate free )
2018-12-06 02:02 <BillBlight> he’s right though for osGrid, it needs to show a grid
2018-12-06 02:02 <BillBlight> of empty
2018-12-06 02:03 <danbanner> ya i dont want coordinates of the existing tiles, i would want coordinates of the open spots to place a sim for example
2018-12-06 02:03 <BillBlight> Yeah I didn’t think of that till you mentioned it, doh!!
2018-12-06 02:03 <djphil> ho i see
2018-12-06 02:04 <djphil> but that easy to hack the js to do that
2018-12-06 02:04 <danbanner> the discovery of open map locations is the only reason i can think of to provide a webmap
2018-12-06 02:04 <djphil> if i don't forget i will ask the feature for a next release of jopnsim
2018-12-06 02:05 <danbanner> bill's map would be nice if it had the grid with coordinates 
2018-12-06 02:05 <danbanner> and worked well (load wise) with 1000's of regions
2018-12-06 02:05 <danbanner> ;p
2018-12-06 02:05 <djphil> Here it show the Free regions coord's http://digigrids.no-ip.org/osmodules/osleaflet/
2018-12-06 02:06 <djphil> That what you whant Dan ?
2018-12-06 02:07 <danbanner> ya but a grid would be helpful
2018-12-06 02:07 <paela> isnt hard to add it on it
2018-12-06 02:07 <djphil> He's never telling, never :(
2018-12-06 02:08 <paela> register is for what phil ?
2018-12-06 02:09 <danbanner> ya i was wondering that too
2018-12-06 02:10 <paela> have thinking make a option for save coordinate if a region is shuitdown  proper
2018-12-06 02:10 <paela> shutdown*
2018-12-06 02:10 <paela> is it similar ?
2018-12-06 02:11 <djphil> Paela you were really disrespectful to me so please avoid me
2018-12-06 02:12 <paela> lol's no comment about you 
2018-12-06 02:13 <Tampa> Just pulling maptiles from robust is so messy
2018-12-06 02:15 <djphil> Another one Tampa ?
2018-12-06 02:17 <Tampa> I don't speak js so I never finished work on it, but essentially you only want to pull the region tiles of actually available regions meaning cross reference to regions table in the db
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2018-12-06 02:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: GetAssets: only throttle mesh and texture
2018-12-06 02:48 <djphil> danbanner, here is a map with grid and Free coord's: http://digigrids.no-ip.org/osmodules/osleaflet/
2018-12-06 02:48 <djphil> (refresh and empty your cache first)
2018-12-06 02:49 <djphil> But i no understd why the grid no resize when i zoom :(
2018-12-06 02:51 <djphil> I tried 2 methods and the result is identical (via js and css)
2018-12-06 02:52 <Tampa> Leaflet is probably the best choice, does not mean it is a great one, certainly feel like it is not really meant for this type of map
2018-12-06 02:53 <Tampa> I have one that works and afaik pulls only the maptiles of registered regions, but I cannot get the grid overlay to work as to show the grid coordinates
2018-12-06 02:53 <Tampa> The grids scale with the zoom level which makes it impossible unless you create one for each zoom level
2018-12-06 02:53 <djphil> it's better than GMap in any case
2018-12-06 02:54 <djphil> i have create the hack on GridLayer level
2018-12-06 02:54 <Tampa> googlemap is utterly useless with how their stuff keeps changing, just saying with how much I have written for this I might as well abandon leaflet completely or something
2018-12-06 02:55 <djphil> Yeah, too many changes, allways broken ^^
2018-12-06 02:56 <djphil> and more complexe
2018-12-06 02:57 <djphil> here is the current hack i use: https://pastebin.com/0yi4TW7y
2018-12-06 03:00 <djphil> the first way is css only, like this: .leaflet-tile {color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.1);}
2018-12-06 03:00 <djphil> oops, no, like this: .leaflet-tile {border: 1px solid rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.1)}
2018-12-06 03:02 <Tampa> See I have this: http://map.zetaworlds.com/newmap/zw2.html which also just pulls from robust since I don't know how to write database query in js, else I would only display tiles based on regions actually registered
2018-12-06 03:03 <Tampa> I been meaning to get someone to add a simple module for robust to region communication so I could delete maptiles daily and ask all connected regions to generate map and send new tiles
2018-12-06 03:22 <djphil> Hmmm, with js probably something like this ... https://pastebin.com/R2JzicXF
2018-12-06 03:23 <paela> stop think for small grid tampa ask 2000 or 4000 region and you kill the process server in all case or that module need a option but not a default in all case
2018-12-06 03:24 <Tampa> Unlike other open grids I tend to clean dead regions out of the table instead of leaving them in to appear bigger...
2018-12-06 03:25 <paela> well we clear it too in osg some time but instant clear you kill the coordinate saved by user and is a big mess
2018-12-06 03:25 <Tampa> That's somewhat of a non-issue if done similar to metro for example
2018-12-06 03:26 <paela> maybe more a module show in viewer map region is offline same of secondlife that possible is in viewer per default
2018-12-06 03:26 <paela> in secondlife a region offline is showed red
2018-12-06 03:26 <paela> but not removed
2018-12-06 03:28 <paela> i agree a cleared map is wonderfull but user think other with coordinate saved close not proper the region for save the coordinate in map
2018-12-06 03:29 <Tampa> you can just remove regions registered on coordinates already reserved for other regions
2018-12-06 03:30 <Tampa> You can even automate that
2018-12-06 03:30 <paela> ya but not in osgrid is very more complicated 
2018-12-06 03:31 <Tampa> It's actually pretty simple, but okay
2018-12-06 03:43 <Ubit> maps for viewers are trick
2018-12-06 03:43 <Ubit> there are several resolution layers
2018-12-06 03:44 <Ubit> but worse is that regions don't shutdown nicely just puff
2018-12-06 03:47 <paela> if i remember in code viewer is just a request for show the region red if offline not by image :)
2018-12-06 03:48 <Ubit> we show offline on click
2018-12-06 03:48 <Ubit> hmm sometimes :p
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2018-12-06 18:52 <Ubit> yeack
2018-12-06 18:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6035: FAILURE in 2 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6035/
2018-12-06 18:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubOde: slow down collision events to attachments
2018-12-06 18:57 <Plugh> Has anyone been trying IAR loads recently in 0.9? I'm getting reports from a couple of people who try to load an IAR. It shows folder creation, never mentions number of items being loaded, shows the inventory items inworld after the load has completed but the items are no good. e.g. Textures are white.
2018-12-06 19:02 <paela> have load one last week with no problem in my grid
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2018-12-06 19:11 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
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2018-12-06 19:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix compile putting back useless things until they are fully removed
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2018-12-07 03:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: disable GetAsset (ViewerAsset) cap. Current viewers implementation is not compatible with opensim
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2018-12-07 03:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove a warning
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2018-12-07 04:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: return a proper http error
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2018-12-08 03:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: pesty warning
2018-12-08 04:00 <osmantis> Bug #8416:04 String Comparision of Unicode Character TRUE that should be FALSE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8416 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-08 06:14 <uriesk> hello
2018-12-08 06:57 <osmantis> Bug #8250:04 llMoveToTarget() in attachment plays 'landing' anim when on a prim floor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8250 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-08 07:04 <osmantis> Bug #8416:04 String Comparision of Unicode Character TRUE that should be FALSE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8416 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-08 07:19 <osmantis> Bug #8416:04 String Comparision of Unicode Character TRUE that should be FALSE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8416 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-12-08 09:20 <djphil> ping Ubit
2018-12-08 09:20 <djphil> Do we have a way to attach an object to an npc when the npc clicked on the object ?
2018-12-08 10:11 <osmantis> Bug #8250:04 llMoveToTarget() in attachment plays 'landing' anim when on a prim floor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8250 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-08 10:23 <uriesk> diphil i guess llAttachToAvatar should work 
2018-12-08 10:24 <djphil> seam no
2018-12-08 10:24 <djphil> that attach the object to the object owner
2018-12-08 10:27 <uriesk> hrm, right
2018-12-08 10:30 <djphil> I believe we have nothing to tie an object directly
2018-12-08 10:30 <djphil> But I found a way to get around ... I switch the appearance
2018-12-08 10:30 <djphil> Obviously it would be easier to attach the object directly
2018-12-08 16:40 <osmantis> Bug #8250:04 llMoveToTarget() in attachment plays 'landing' anim when on a prim floor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8250 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-08 19:00 <uriesk> hey
2018-12-08 19:01 <uriesk> how do you usually rebuild after just some small minor changes? If i just fire 'msbuild /property:Configuration=Release' again, it will still build it Configuration=Debug, and thats annoying.
2018-12-08 19:19 <osmantis> Bug #8417:04 llSetContentType doeasn't set Content-Type 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8417 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-12-08 19:27 <osmantis> Bug #8417:04 llSetContentType doeasn't set Content-Type 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8417 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-08 19:28 <osmantis> Bug #8417:04 llSetContentType doeasn't set Content-Type 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8417 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-08 20:55 <osmantis> Bug #8417:04 llSetContentType doeasn't set Content-Type 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8417 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-08 20:56 <osmantis> Bug #8417:04 llSetContentType doeasn't set Content-Type 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8417 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-08 21:03 <Plugh> uriesk: If you are changing the configuration setting you should do a full rebuild.
2018-12-08 21:04 <BillBlight> you need to do a clean
2018-12-09 04:04 <uriesk> hi
2018-12-09 04:05 <BillBlight> not yet
2018-12-09 04:05 <uriesk> is there a way to check if a ossl function is allowed?
2018-12-09 04:05 <uriesk> not yet .. hmm
2018-12-09 04:06 <uriesk> answered my question before i asked it ^^
2018-12-09 04:06 <BillBlight> hehe
2018-12-09 04:07 <BillBlight> well no
2018-12-09 04:07 <BillBlight> but I think the answer is the same
2018-12-09 04:10 <BillBlight> Not that I am aware, but could be a minor security hole, people could troll regions to find out what functions are enabled.
2018-12-09 04:16 <uriesk> could be
2018-12-09 04:17 <uriesk> but relying on people to not find out which potentional trolling ossl functions are available is security through obscurity
2018-12-09 04:18 <uriesk> so luckily for me, it could be nice to have it ^^
2018-12-09 04:33 <BillBlight> yeah some of the dream functions are the same way, would be nice to have but , people .....
2018-12-09 04:46 <djphil> This verify threatlevel for ossl functiosn https://pastebin.com/NnbXGNTw
2018-12-09 04:53 <uriesk> nice, thank you
2018-12-09 04:54 <uriesk> but not so much useable if i want to check in a script if a ossl function taht i want to use is available, and if not, fallback to something else
2018-12-09 04:55 <djphil> Actually it's not exactly where you were asked but I thought it might inspire you :)
2018-12-09 04:55 <uriesk> it does :)
2018-12-09 04:57 <djphil> In any case, if the function is not available, the debug channel will indicate it to you ...
2018-12-09 11:38 <osmantis> Bug #8418:04 Implement ossl funtion to test Threat Level 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8418 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-12-09 11:40 <osmantis> Bug #8418:04 Implement ossl funtion to test Threat Level 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8418 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2018-12-09 11:41 <osmantis> Bug #8417:04 llSetContentType doeasn't set Content-Type 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8417 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2018-12-09 21:45 <osmantis> Bug #8419:04 Inventory fail after delete Source Folder. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8419 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-12-10 00:33 <osmantis> Bug #8419:04 Inventory fail after delete Source Folder. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8419 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-10 04:26 <osmantis> Bug #8419:04 Inventory fail after delete Source Folder. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8419 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-10 04:26 <osmantis> Bug #8419:04 Inventory fail after delete Source Folder. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8419 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2018-12-10 04:53 <djphil> @ BillBlight : https://pastebin.com/wzP0G828 :)
2018-12-10 05:28 <BillBlight> nothing there
2018-12-10 05:29 <djphil> 0 minutes passed! :p
2018-12-10 05:29 <djphil> 10*
2018-12-10 05:29 <djphil> You loze :)
2018-12-10 05:31 <BillBlight> HAHA
2018-12-10 05:31 <djphil> New chance :) https://pastebin.com/GiTeLdLF
2018-12-10 05:33 <BillBlight> thanks
2018-12-10 05:33 <BillBlight> was gonna play with that thing this week
2018-12-10 05:33 <djphil> The v0.2 remplace Terminal AND Controler v0.1
2018-12-10 05:33 <djphil> Now is all in one
2018-12-10 05:34 <BillBlight> cool
2018-12-10 06:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #6044 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-10 06:29 <osmantis> Bug #8419:04 Inventory fail after delete Source Folder. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8419 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-10 06:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6044: SUCCESS in 9 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6044/
2018-12-10 06:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8419: TakeCopy now sends to objects; Take to a child of trash or lostandfound also, else goes to original folder
2018-12-10 08:47 <osmantis> Bug #8419:04 Inventory fail after delete Source Folder. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8419 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-10 09:17 <osmantis> Bug #8419:04 Inventory fail after delete Source Folder. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8419 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-10 11:31 -!- AArch64lin(~kvirc@unaffiliated/zacdev) has left #opensim-dev
2018-12-10 11:36 <osmantis> Bug #8415:04 [WARNING]: EOC marker not found. Codestream is corrupted. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8415 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-12-10 12:53 <osmantis> Bug #8419:04 Inventory fail after delete Source Folder. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8419 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-10 13:09 <osmantis> Bug #8420:04 Physiks Flying Follow Objetcs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8420 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-12-10 13:28 <osmantis> Bug #8419:04 Inventory fail after delete Source Folder. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8419 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-10 14:08 <osmantis> Bug #8419:04 Inventory fail after delete Source Folder. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8419 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-10 14:50 <osmantis> Bug #8419:04 Inventory fail after delete Source Folder. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8419 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-10 15:01 <Metaworld> OSCC replay
2018-12-10 15:01 <Metaworld> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASojvwabJpY#
2018-12-10 15:20 <osmantis> Bug #8421:04 [YEngine] Evaluation order of logical operators right to left or left to right :) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8421 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-12-10 15:21 <osmantis> Bug #8421:04 [YEngine] Evaluation order of logical operators right to left or left to right :) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8421 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-12-10 15:41 <osmantis> Bug #8422:04 MuteList Crashes now Opensim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8422 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-12-10 16:56 <osmantis> Bug #8422:04 MuteList Crashes now Opensim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8422 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-10 16:57 <Ubit> gezz why ppl keep pasting ini files from old versions and expect all to work??
2018-12-10 16:57 <Ubit> grrr
2018-12-10 16:58 <Plugh> That's a strange URL you posted to the github repo. You should have just used the URL I gave you. It needs the PHP files and not just the .cs file.
2018-12-10 16:58 <Ubit> err?
2018-12-10 16:58 <Plugh> That is, if that is the mutelist module the person wants to use vs. the built-in one.
2018-12-10 16:59 <Ubit> oops yeap i had the cs open :)
2018-12-10 16:59 <Ubit> to see the mod name :)
2018-12-10 17:00 <Ubit> better now?
2018-12-10 17:00 <Plugh> Yup. 
2018-12-10 17:00 <Plugh> Don't want to confuse the user. :)(
2018-12-10 17:00 <Plugh> -(
2018-12-10 17:01 <Ubit> sure thx
2018-12-10 17:01 <Ubit> and that seems a region user only of Metro grid
2018-12-10 17:01 <Ubit> ( that allows home regions like osgrid )
2018-12-10 17:10 <Plugh> If someone is attaching a region to an existing grid they won't be able to use the addon module unless they can set up a database for use by the add-on mutelist module, and have a place for the PHP files.
2018-12-10 17:11 <Plugh> bbl. My cat has been calling for me for about the last half hour or more. :P
2018-12-10 17:15 <Ubit> mine are clever  just send another jar into the floor
2018-12-10 17:17 <Ubit> "now that you are here to fix the jar, give us food "
2018-12-10 17:18 <Ubit> they only call me a few times.. then take action
2018-12-10 17:19 <Ubit> this time they did not found my dinner.. so.. jar..
2018-12-10 17:54 <osmantis> Bug #8423:04 Invalid formatted GUID in the DB causes the instance to crash on startup. Log file does not show the bad GUID so cannot fix it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8423 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-12-10 18:39 <osmantis> Bug #8424:04 Allow NPCs to use NPC functions on themselves 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8424 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-12-10 18:53 <osmantis> Bug #8424:04 Allow NPCs to use NPC functions on themselves 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8424 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-10 19:33 <Melanie_T> avination unreal engine viewer open source dropped https://github.com/opensim/opensim-viewer
2018-12-10 20:08 <osmantis> Bug #8424:04 Allow NPCs to use NPC functions on themselves 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8424 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-10 20:34 <uriesk> Unreal Engine Viewer  :)
2018-12-10 20:37 <osmantis> Bug #8424:04 Allow NPCs to use NPC functions on themselves 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8424 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-10 21:20 <Plugh> I wonder when people will ask for documentation or a roadmap for that viewer code. :)
2018-12-10 21:32 <diva_> :-)
2018-12-10 21:37 <Plugh> 
ACTION sighs.

2018-12-10 21:38 <Ubit> gezz mantis flood today
2018-12-10 21:38 <diva_> it's the OSCC after-conference energy :-)
2018-12-10 21:38 <uriesk> :)
2018-12-10 21:38 <Plugh> :)
2018-12-10 21:39 <uriesk> :-)
2018-12-10 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #8424:04 Allow NPCs to use NPC functions on themselves 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8424 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-10 21:53 <osmantis> Bug #8424:04 Allow NPCs to use NPC functions on themselves 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8424 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-10 21:57 <osmantis> Bug #8424:04 Allow NPCs to use NPC functions on themselves 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8424 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-10 21:58 <osmantis> Bug #8424:04 Allow NPCs to use NPC functions on themselves 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8424 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-10 23:46 <Ubit> bad not bas :(
2018-12-10 23:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #6045 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-10 23:52 <osmantis> Bug #8424:04 Allow NPCs to use NPC functions on themselves 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8424 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-12-10 23:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6045: SUCCESS in 8 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6045/
2018-12-10 23:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Yengine actually loose the bas state file
2018-12-10 23:55 <Plugh> lose, not loose.
2018-12-10 23:56 <djphil> Interessing :)
2018-12-10 23:56 <Ubit> that also
2018-12-10 23:56 <djphil> Good feature! :)
2018-12-10 23:57 <Ubit> what feature?
2018-12-10 23:58 <djphil> Allow a NPC to use Npc function  on himself
2018-12-11 00:06 <BillBlight> there are many ways around that issue
2018-12-11 00:07 <BillBlight> regionsayto, and I'm not sure why the bot going out of range of the sensor would be an issue, it does not have to be in range to send it commands, just tell it to TP back to the sensor if you need it to, NPC commands are region wide, they don't have a range ..
2018-12-11 00:08 <djphil> About SayTo ... http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8198
2018-12-11 00:09 <BillBlight> Not saying the NPC needs to sayto , but the controller can sayto the NPC's attachements regardless of the range
2018-12-11 00:10 <djphil> Is more beautifull when it's the npc talking :p
2018-12-11 00:10 <BillBlight> I control NPC's that go out of range of the sensor all the time, it is not really a limitation, as the sensor does not matter, you can always get object details to find where the NPC is, if you need to find a lost one, and use vecdist to find out if it is range
2018-12-11 00:12 <BillBlight> Not saying the osNpcSayTo is not a good idea, just don't think it is relavant to that mantis about the NPC functions
2018-12-11 00:12 <djphil> i agree
2018-12-11 00:12 <BillBlight> and if you create the NPC owned, then having the function enabled foreveryone is not an issue
2018-12-11 00:14 <BillBlight> as long as NPC's are owned and only the sim owner has create/delete rights, the other functions being enabled is a moot point.
2018-12-11 00:15 <djphil> And when the npc belongs to a group, does not it give you more control over it?
2018-12-11 00:15 <BillBlight> If the controller also belongs the the group I think so 
2018-12-11 00:15 <djphil> I mean if the user wear the same group of course
2018-12-11 00:16 <djphil> (i have no really tested all that yet) :p
2018-12-11 00:16 <BillBlight> I've done some in the past but don't quite remember the details
2018-12-11 00:16 <djphil> Same lol
2018-12-11 00:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #6046 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-11 00:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6046: SUCCESS in 6 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6046/
2018-12-11 00:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Yengine reset global variables possible damaged by bad state file
2018-12-11 06:01 <osmantis> Bug #8198:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osNpcSayTo 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8198 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-11 06:17 <osmantis> Bug #8198:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osNpcSayTo 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8198 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2018-12-11 14:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #6047 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-11 14:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6047: SUCCESS in 8 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6047/
2018-12-11 14:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Remove OpenID cookie check (agni_sl_session_id) from *SetContentType Remove commented out second llSetContentType thats the same as osSetContentType anyway
2018-12-11 14:36 <osmantis> Bug #8421:04 [YEngine] Evaluation order of logical operators right to left or left to right :) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8421 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-11 14:40 <osmantis> Bug #8417:04 llSetContentType doeasn't set Content-Type 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8417 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-11 14:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #6048 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-11 15:01 <osmantis> Bug #8425:04 No Defaultregion No info 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8425 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-12-11 15:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6048: SUCCESS in 6 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6048/
2018-12-11 15:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change osSetContentType threat level
2018-12-11 15:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #6049 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-11 15:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6049: SUCCESS in 6 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6049/
2018-12-11 15:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor changes on  llSetContentType
2018-12-11 15:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #6050 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-11 15:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6050: SUCCESS in 6 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6050/
2018-12-11 15:16 <osjenkins> melanie: Return a fake openid token to enable web services on a grid to identify the user
2018-12-11 15:37 <osmantis> Bug #8417:04 llSetContentType doeasn't set Content-Type 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8417 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-11 15:38 <Plugh> osgrid is having more troubles today. Trying to ping them I get "unknown host".
2018-12-11 15:40 <paela> yes
2018-12-11 15:40 <paela> dns problem
2018-12-11 15:40 <paela> have disabled grid (offline )
2018-12-11 15:40 <paela> time dns is back
2018-12-11 15:50 <Plugh> The other day osgrid was having trouble with either, or both, of its assets and inventory servers.
2018-12-11 15:57 <osmantis> Bug #8421:04 [YEngine] Evaluation order of logical operators right to left or left to right :) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8421 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-11 15:58 <osmantis> Bug #8421:04 [YEngine] Evaluation order of logical operators right to left or left to right :) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8421 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-12-11 16:49 <osmantis> Bug #8421:04 [YEngine] Evaluation order of logical operators right to left or left to right :) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8421 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-11 17:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #6051 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-11 17:25 <osmantis> Bug #8420:04 Physiks Flying Follow Objetcs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8420 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-11 17:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6051: SUCCESS in 6 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6051/
2018-12-11 17:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8420: ubOde awake up lazy body
2018-12-11 18:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #6052 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-11 18:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6052: SUCCESS in 6 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6052/
2018-12-11 18:34 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Add osNpcSayTo(key npc, key target, integer channel, string message)
2018-12-11 18:34 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: cleanup last patch
2018-12-11 18:52 <osmantis> Bug #8417:04 llSetContentType doeasn't set Content-Type 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8417 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-11 19:00 <osmantis> Bug #8198:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osNpcSayTo 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8198 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-11 19:02 <osmantis> Bug #8418:04 Implement ossl funtion to test Threat Level 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8418 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-11 19:03 <BillBlight> meeting time
2018-12-11 19:03 <Ubit> damm im getting older damm fast
2018-12-11 19:14 <Plugh> osgrid is up again?
2018-12-11 19:14 <Ubit> was it down ?
2018-12-11 19:14 <Plugh> DNS -> unknown host
2018-12-11 19:14 <Ubit> thats ocasional thing i guess
2018-12-11 19:15 <Plugh> It was like that most of the morning.
2018-12-11 19:15 <Ubit> well we are waiting for you at meeting :p
2018-12-11 19:15 <Plugh> I'm just trying to get there now.
2018-12-11 19:16 <Plugh> Waiting for region handshake...
2018-12-11 19:16 <Ubit> i had no issues but only connected there a hour or so ago
2018-12-11 19:17 <Plugh> I'm stuck at that point.
2018-12-11 19:17 <Plugh> Let me try again.
2018-12-11 19:45 <osmantis> Bug #8418:04 Implement ossl funtion to test Threat Level 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8418 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-11 20:13 <osmantis> Bug #8418:04 Implement ossl funtion to test Threat Level 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8418 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-11 20:15 <osmantis> Bug #8418:04 Implement ossl funtion to test Threat Level 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8418 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-11 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #8418:04 Implement ossl funtion to test Threat Level 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8418 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-11 21:20 <osmantis> Bug #8418:04 Implement ossl funtion to test Threat Level 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8418 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-11 21:48 <Plugh> hmm... Blender 2.8 is coming mid next year. The UI is undergoing some radical changes. :P
2018-12-11 21:52 <nebadon_> you can get it now
2018-12-11 21:52 <nebadon_> in beta
2018-12-11 21:52 <nebadon_> and yea its as different as 2.4 > 2.5 was
2018-12-11 21:52 <nebadon_> pretty drastically different
2018-12-11 21:52 <nebadon_> no more blender renderer
2018-12-11 21:52 <nebadon_> its cycles and something else now
2018-12-11 21:53 <Plugh> yea, I'm just watching a YouTube video introducing the new interface in 2.8
2018-12-11 21:53 <nebadon_> you can edit in realtime renderer now
2018-12-11 21:53 <nebadon_> which is kind of cool
2018-12-11 21:53 <Plugh> They dropped the old renderer? Not too surprising. Cycles has more or less taken over.
2018-12-11 21:53 <Plugh> yea, I was thinking it is a bit like the 2.4 to 2.5 transition.
2018-12-11 21:54 <osmantis> Bug #8418:04 Implement ossl funtion to test Threat Level 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8418 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-11 21:54 <Plugh> After I finish watch the 2.8 blender videos I may download it and give it a try.
2018-12-11 21:54 <nebadon_> yea its cool, in some ways its a lot better no doubt
2018-12-11 21:54 <nebadon_> and hopefully shortcuts are not drastically different, or better just completely unchanged
2018-12-11 21:54 <nebadon_> the interface will definitely take some time to relearn
2018-12-11 21:56 <Plugh> The two "cursors" bothered me a little in the past. 
2018-12-11 21:56 <Plugh> 2.5 was easier to learn in many ways over 2.4. 
2018-12-11 21:57 <Plugh> ooh. A change to left click select. That's going to throw off a lot of people from the start.
2018-12-11 21:59 <Plugh> I hope the Space Navigator support gets better. I found it was better with spacenavd and the support code in 2.4x
2018-12-11 22:10 <Plugh> Downloading 2.80 beta now.
2018-12-11 22:14 <osmantis> Bug #8418:04 Implement ossl funtion to test Threat Level 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8418 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-11 22:16 <osmantis> Bug #8418:04 Implement ossl funtion to test Threat Level 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8418 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-11 22:36 <osmantis> Bug #8418:04 Implement ossl funtion to test Threat Level 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8418 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-11 22:39 <osmantis> Bug #8418:04 Implement ossl funtion to test Threat Level 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8418 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-11 23:00 <Plugh> I've added another Blender icon in the top panel of my desktop. Time to fire up 2.80 and have a first look at it.
2018-12-12 01:08 <djphil> I just complete the wiki with osNpcSayTo
2018-12-12 01:08 <djphil> Question: osNpcSayTo have option with / without "channel" like osNpcSay or not ?
2018-12-12 01:08 <djphil> here is osNpcSay http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsNpcSay
2018-12-12 01:10 <Ubit> Add osNpcSayTo(key npc, key target, integer channel, string message)
2018-12-12 01:10 <djphil> yes i do that
2018-12-12 01:11 <djphil> but have you see ? osNpcSay have "channel" as optionnal
2018-12-12 01:11 <djphil> i just ask if osNpcSayTo have or not ...
2018-12-12 01:12 <Ubit> ops
2018-12-12 01:12 <Ubit>         void        osNpcSay(key npc, string message);
2018-12-12 01:12 <Ubit>         void        osNpcSay(key npc, int channel, string message);
2018-12-12 01:13 <Ubit> sayto only has with channel
2018-12-12 01:13 <djphil> is idem for SayTo ?
2018-12-12 01:13 <djphil> ha ok
2018-12-12 01:13 <djphil> ty :)
2018-12-12 01:14 <djphil> Hmmm "void" can be deleted :p
2018-12-12 01:15 <Ubit> yeap
2018-12-12 01:22 <djphil> @Plugh: The big new on Blender 2.80 is Eevee (A super nice PBR Rendering Engine)
2018-12-12 01:23 <osmantis> Bug #8198:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osNpcSayTo 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8198 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-12-12 01:24 <osmantis> Bug #8198:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osNpcSayTo 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8198 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2018-12-12 01:25 <osmantis> Bug #8198:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osNpcSayTo 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8198 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2018-12-12 01:43 <djphil> @Ubit, have you see this one ? http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8369
2018-12-12 01:43 <Ubit> yes
2018-12-12 01:43 <djphil> Oki :)
2018-12-12 01:48 <Plugh> djphil: I saw a reference to EVEE. I haven't finished going through the three videos about the new 2.8 version.
2018-12-12 01:49 <djphil> Evee is impressive :)
2018-12-12 01:50 <djphil> Now cycle can be recycled ^^
2018-12-12 01:51 <Plugh> The start of the first video mentioned a real time renderer.
2018-12-12 01:51 <djphil> Yes is that
2018-12-12 01:51 <djphil> Is a Physical Based Redenring (Real Time)
2018-12-12 02:47 <Plugh> Hm... click away from any object to deselect? Not working here.
2018-12-12 02:48 <Plugh> oh. It is still set for right-click select as that is how its configured in 2.79 and I told it to pick up those settings.
2018-12-12 02:52 <Plugh> Hm... can't find where to change that. No matter. I'm used to it.
2018-12-12 02:52 <djphil> Is a user pref i thing...
2018-12-12 02:53 <Plugh> ah, found it.
2018-12-12 02:53 <Plugh> It was under the Input section.
2018-12-12 02:53 <Plugh> But the spacebar action got set to Play again. Changed that too.
2018-12-12 02:54 <Plugh> Not that that matters as I don't use spacebar for anything.
2018-12-12 02:54 <djphil> Yes it that
2018-12-12 02:54 <Plugh> IIRC, it used to be how you popped up the menu to add objects back before 2.5
2018-12-12 02:55 <djphil> Emulate 3 Button  Mousse and Select with Left/Right
2018-12-12 02:55 <djphil> https://www.outworldz.com/secondlife/posts/blender-tips/images/Blender%20Input%20Select%20screenC.jpg
2018-12-12 02:59 <Plugh> Oh, I think I finally found the combination of settings that allow me to use the Space Navigator effectively.
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2018-12-12 20:22 <osmantis> Bug #8426:04 runprebuild.bat included in the current dev master does not produce a compile.bat file that works. An older one works just fine. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8426 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-12-12 20:23 <osmantis> Bug #8426:04 runprebuild.bat included in the current dev master does not produce a compile.bat file that works. An older one works just fine. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8426 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-12-12 20:26 <osmantis> Bug #8426:04 runprebuild.bat included in the current dev master does not produce a compile.bat file that works. An older one works just fine. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-12 20:27 <Ubit> uff im using the "oficial" method :(
2018-12-12 20:30 <osmantis> Bug #8426:04 runprebuild.bat included in the current dev master does not produce a compile.bat file that works. An older one works just fine. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8426 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-13 14:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #6054 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-13 14:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6054: FAILURE in 6 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6054/
2018-12-13 14:37 <osjenkins> melanie: Triggering a build / IRC message
2018-12-13 15:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #6055 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6052 1 day 21 hr ago)
2018-12-13 15:44 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2018-12-13 15:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6055: FIXED in 5 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6055/
2018-12-13 15:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: actually disable osSetContentType on osslEnable.ini, so is only enabled by machine owner intentionally
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2018-12-16 20:20 <diva_> <3
2018-12-16 20:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #6057 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-16 20:26 <osmantis> Bug #8381:04 [PATCH] Adding ServerReleaseNotes Caps to OpenSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8381 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-16 20:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6057: SUCCESS in 6 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6057/
2018-12-16 20:26 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Enables the buildin Caps ServerReleaseNotes
2018-12-16 20:26 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: several changes to last patch
2018-12-16 20:30 <Tampa> Not the biggest fan of some of the stuff he has done, but R.I.P nonetheless
2018-12-16 20:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #6058 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-16 20:48 <Ubit> hmm actually.. hmmm
2018-12-16 20:49 <Ubit> well ok for now
2018-12-16 20:51 <Ubit> bf any asks about the url: Yes.. im lazy!
2018-12-16 20:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6058: SUCCESS in 5 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6058/
2018-12-16 20:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid sending garbage...
2018-12-16 20:53 <Ubit> my guinnea pigs are sleeping...
2018-12-16 20:53 <Ubit> BILL does it work? :P
2018-12-16 20:53 <Ubit> :p
2018-12-16 20:53 <Ubit> 
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2018-12-16 20:59 <osmantis> Bug #8381:04 [PATCH] Adding ServerReleaseNotes Caps to OpenSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8381 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-16 21:00 <osmantis> Bug #8381:04 [PATCH] Adding ServerReleaseNotes Caps to OpenSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8381 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-16 21:04 <osmantis> Bug #8381:04 [PATCH] Adding ServerReleaseNotes Caps to OpenSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8381 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-16 21:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #6059 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-16 21:25 <osmantis> Bug #8381:04 [PATCH] Adding ServerReleaseNotes Caps to OpenSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8381 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-16 21:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6059: SUCCESS in 5 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6059/
2018-12-16 21:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update url to 0.9.1.0 page
2018-12-17 01:11 <osmantis> Bug #8382:04 TP some time fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8382 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-17 08:05 <osmantis> Bug #8427:04 llCastRay cannot detect prims in the same build as the script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8427 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-12-17 08:08 <osmantis> Bug #8251:04 Mono 5.2 and 5.4 slow some script functions down by a factor of 55 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8251 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-17 08:13 <osmantis> Bug #8251:04 Mono 5.2 and 5.4 slow some script functions down by a factor of 55 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8251 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-12-17 10:49 <osmantis> Bug #8410:04 llSay and llWhisper always emit from root prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8410 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-17 10:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #6060 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-17 11:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6060: SUCCESS in 6 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6060/
2018-12-17 11:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8427: add new reject flags, change default, see mantis
2018-12-17 11:18 <osmantis> Bug #8427:04 llCastRay cannot detect prims in the same build as the script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8427 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-17 21:35 <BillBlight> why do people not get that fact that you can't really use off the shelf game engines for opensim?  We stream all content, we don't preload a ton of content ..  they are not remotely the same thing
2018-12-17 21:36 <Tampa> I mean that is mainly just a viewer part not having a decent cache system that allows content to be present
2018-12-17 21:36 <Tampa> I wonder what unlocking the viewer cache size limit would do...
2018-12-17 21:37 <BillBlight> Not really, it is the dynamic nature of opensim, you can't preload if you don't know what is going to be there
2018-12-17 21:40 <Tampa> Well I mean more in the sense of when I teleport between two regions why do they both reload each time, kinda feels like that is being done a bit too aggressively or the cache holding all that is too small, I don't fully understand why it behaves that way, what routine causes it
2018-12-17 21:40 <Tampa> Probably would be helpful to figure out what exactly that is and at least provide some explanation to those wondering the same thing
2018-12-17 21:41 <Tampa> Give them a bit of understanding instead of telling them "that's how it is deal with it"
2018-12-17 21:43 <BillBlight> well most have their viewer cache set tiny, so things get dropped or replaced so of course it has to reload
2018-12-17 21:44 <Tampa> I have mine set as big as it lets me and it still does not seem to hold much data
2018-12-17 21:44 <Tampa> So I wonder if it may be clearing too aggressively
2018-12-17 21:45 <BillBlight> it also depends on the sims setting, 
2018-12-17 21:45 <BillBlight> when it decides the assets are new, and tells the viewer that they are new
2018-12-17 21:46 <BillBlight> if the sim is constantly renewing it's cache, then the viewer really has no choice to assume they are new if the files are newer
2018-12-17 21:47 <BillBlight> and that is something that can be adjusted
2018-12-18 09:58 <osmantis> Bug #8382:04 TP some time fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8382 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-12-18 10:39 <osmantis> Bug #8382:04 TP some time fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8382 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-18 18:56 <Ubit> Plugh's cat, bring your human slave to meeting
2018-12-18 19:34 <Plugh> More likely she would want me to leave my computer and play with her.
2018-12-18 19:41 <osmantis> Bug #8428:04 I got this error message from YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8428 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2018-12-18 19:51 <Tampa> ping Ubit
2018-12-18 19:52 <Ubit> what?
2018-12-18 19:52 <Ubit> :)
2018-12-18 19:52 <Tampa> key OsRezObject returning the uuid of the rezzed object
2018-12-18 19:54 <Tampa> normal lsl is a void does not return anything so fetching the object that was just rezzed requires sensor
2018-12-18 19:54 <Tampa> Would make post-rez manipulation a lot easier instantly knowing the uuid
2018-12-18 19:55 <Ubit> you get it on a event
2018-12-18 19:56 <Ubit> llRezObject objects may be a collection also
2018-12-18 19:57 <Tampa> You mean as in multiple objects, then maybe return a list with the uuids where the first entry is the linkset if there is one
2018-12-18 19:58 <Ubit> no
2018-12-18 19:58 <Ubit> it is a async operation
2018-12-18 19:58 <Ubit> use the object_rez event
2018-12-18 19:59 <djphil> return the uuid is very usefull :)
2018-12-18 19:59 <Ubit> ie the function returns without doing any rez
2018-12-18 19:59 <Ubit> it will happen in paralell
2018-12-18 19:59 <Ubit> so no no return
2018-12-18 20:01 <Tampa> For more complex stuff sure, but I am rezzing one object and immediately after want to scale it, it be a lot easier just to have the return and apply to it rather than go through an event and such... also feels like this would be more efficient code...
2018-12-18 20:02 <Ubit> not from what region must do to actualy rez the thing
2018-12-18 20:03 <Ubit> as i said, the excution happens in paralell, the sript will ne notified by the event
2018-12-18 20:04 <Tampa> key tree = OsRezObject(); OsSetPrimitiveParams(tree);
2018-12-18 20:04 <Tampa> So delay the return?
2018-12-18 20:05 <Ubit> RTFM
2018-12-18 20:05 <Ubit> :p
2018-12-18 20:06 <Ubit> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Object_rez
2018-12-18 20:13 <BillBlight> I would like to extend an official inventation to the Core Devs to come and have a booth at OpenSim Fest, but even if core should not wish to officially represent there, I plan on building a "History of Opensimulator" display.
2018-12-18 20:14 <BillBlight> https://opensimfest.org/
2018-12-18 20:19 <Plugh> The dates are March 1-3. We have some time to think about i.t
2018-12-18 20:31 <diva_> BillBlight, I plan to go, and I may bring a few people with me who aren't into virtual worlds at all, but have been very curious about it
2018-12-18 20:33 <BillBlight> I sent an official inventation with a little more info to the mailing list
2018-12-18 20:34 <BillBlight> but it is waiting for approval since I sent it from the wrong address
2018-12-18 20:34 <BillBlight> hehe
2018-12-18 20:40 <Plugh> If a person registers a region in osgrid how do they check the requested information later?
2018-12-18 20:44 <Tampa> Another festival? Well at least it ain't asking for thousands in donations ;)
2018-12-18 20:46 <BillBlight> crap been hanging around with Ubit too long misspelled Invitation ...
2018-12-18 20:56 <Ubit> :p
2018-12-18 21:11 <Ubit> hmm light in viewers used to be better no?
2018-12-18 21:12 <Ubit> ages since i set anything other than midday, and seems ... odd
2018-12-18 21:20 <Ubit> well or lbsa setting is odd
2018-12-18 21:25 <BillBlight> You did get a new vid card not long ago Ubit, so the shaders to most likely look different
2018-12-18 21:25 <Ubit> possible
2018-12-18 21:31 <nebadon> I can't imagine different video cards rendering differently
2018-12-18 21:31 <nebadon> I have a lot of differnt cards, lighting is very consistent 
2018-12-18 21:31 <osmantis> Bug #8429:04 Feature request to allow f suffix on floats on YEngine as on XEngine and SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8429 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-12-18 21:31 <osmantis> Bug #8429:04 Feature request to allow f suffix on floats on YEngine as on XEngine and SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8429 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2018-12-18 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #8429:04 Feature request to allow f suffix on floats on YEngine as on XEngine and SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8429 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-18 21:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #6061 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-18 21:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6061: SUCCESS in 6 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6061/
2018-12-18 21:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Added support for f suffix on YEngine floats
2018-12-19 01:29 <Tampa> osSetPrimitiveParams does not take the LINK_SET flag or link numbers
2018-12-19 01:29 <Tampa> There no way to change remote links of a linkset knowing the uuid of the object
2018-12-19 01:30 <Tampa> Can only ever manipulate the root prim, what good is that
2018-12-19 01:31 <Tampa> Should extend osSetPrimitiveParams to allow for optional linkId at the end, else apply to root prim?
2018-12-19 01:33 <Ubit> we should even remove all script changes on objects
2018-12-19 01:33 <Ubit> its a viewer side mess :p
2018-12-19 01:34 <Plugh> What the  ??  We have osGetLinkPrimitiveParams but not the matching set??
2018-12-19 01:35 <Tampa> I can get the uuid of the rezzed tree, but that only gives me root prim, I cannot then scale or edit the other prims of the tree, I could if I knew their specific uuids or if I could address them via their link ids
2018-12-19 01:35 <Tampa> aka osSetPrimitiveParams(uuid, list, linkId)
2018-12-19 01:36 <Plugh> The function missing is osSetLinkPrimitiveParams.
2018-12-19 01:37 <Tampa> osGet of that however is within the prim, it does not take remote either
2018-12-19 01:37 <Plugh> no, but there should be an osSet to match the osGet.
2018-12-19 01:38 <Tampa> We need to make or extend so remote links can be addressed also, not just root prims
2018-12-19 01:39 <Tampa> osSetPrimitiveParams and osGetPrimitiveParams should have the linkIds on the end as optional parameter, that would be the easiest way I think
2018-12-19 01:40 <Plugh> Perhaps but then it wouldn't be consistent with other functions.
2018-12-19 01:40 <Tampa> The Link functions are within prim only, that makes sense
2018-12-19 01:41 <Tampa> This is remote prims not local
2018-12-19 01:43 <Tampa> osGetPrimitiveParams(llGetKey(), list) I mean that is nonsensical too in a way, but also makes sense
2018-12-19 01:43 <Tampa> I can't think of a different way to name a function like that when osGetPrimitiveParams already is designed to fetch from all in-scene objects rather than just what the script is in
2018-12-19 01:44 <Tampa> Adding to that seems the easiest code wise, just extend so it does not refer to the ll version of setprimitive but instead to setlink
2018-12-19 01:44 <Tampa> and leave link id as LINK_THIS if no link id is supplied, aka root prim
2018-12-19 01:52 <Ubit> tampa.. PRIM_LINK_TARGET any bells ? maybe ? maybe not ?
2018-12-19 01:54 <Tampa> Last I checked that simply applies as a sort of global thing, the parts of the tree have different scales however, if I apply the same scale to them all it looks strange
2018-12-19 01:59 <Tampa> Also does not work with osSetPrimitiveParams, scales the original object instead
2018-12-19 02:00 <Tampa> vector size = llList2Vector(osGetPrimitiveParams(uuid, [PRIM_SIZE]), 0);
2018-12-19 02:00 <Tampa>         osSetPrimitiveParams(uuid, [PRIM_LINK_TARGET, 1, PRIM_SIZE, <size.x,size.y,size.z - height>]);
2018-12-19 02:24 <Tampa> So unless I am blind then there is a lack of functionality here
2018-12-19 02:25 <Tampa> I suppose you could make it obey PRIM_LINK_TARGET properly, currently it resolves to the prim the script is in not the prim osSetPrimitiveParams actually addresses
2018-12-19 02:30 <BillBlight> if there was a osSetLinkPrimitiveParams, the link Id would be the first param not the last .. But I asked for this function a long time ago
2018-12-19 02:31 <BillBlight> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8144
2018-12-19 02:32 <Tampa> That is a completely different issue though
2018-12-19 02:34 <Tampa> It would be redundant to llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast or whatever
2018-12-19 02:34 <Tampa> I'm talking about remote linksets, there is no way to fetch anything but the root prim params, cannot fetch nor set params for other links of a linkset without requiring a script in the remote linkset
2018-12-19 02:35 <Tampa> The lsl constant only works for the local prim, it ignores the fact the params are aimed at a different prim
2018-12-19 02:37 <BillBlight> I actually atempted to make osSetLinkPrimitiveParams work at one time, on remote prims, would only ever affect the root prim, not sure why, maybe it is the way the scene addresses linked prims, remotely does not really see anything but the root ..
2018-12-19 02:39 <Tampa> I don't think implementing a new function would be the right way, mainly because I don't know what to name that
2018-12-19 02:40 <Tampa> We already have a get function named that
2018-12-19 02:40 <BillBlight> regardless of new function or not, I know a little bit about osFunctions, and personally after messing with it for a few weeks, in many different ways, it only ever affected the root prim
2018-12-19 02:40 <BillBlight> when attempting to set remote prims that is
2018-12-19 02:41 <BillBlight> I think it has more to do with a scene issue that a function issue
2018-12-19 02:41 <Tampa> The implementation refers to the standard setparams function just with the target being different, I assume that target is the linkset uuid
2018-12-19 02:41 <Tampa> So now to figure out how setlinkparams works and figure out how it sets its target
2018-12-19 02:42 <BillBlight> yes that is excatly how I did it, but regardless of the link id that was passed it either did nothing or only affected the root
2018-12-19 02:44 <BillBlight> The issue seems to be when you talk to a uuid from the "outside" and it is part of a linkset, the root is all it seems to see ..
2018-12-19 02:44 <Tampa> Meaning the scene does not pass on the remaining info, which would mean editing scenegraph to include it.. if requested that is, don't see why that would be so hard
2018-12-19 02:45 <Tampa> It has to at some point do that anyways for the normal setlink
2018-12-19 02:52 <BillBlight> yes it does , but it does not have to keep it active in the scene
2018-12-19 03:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #6062 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-19 03:30 <Ubit> tampa, test now ( if jenkins likes )
2018-12-19 03:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6062: SUCCESS in 5 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6062/
2018-12-19 03:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: bug fixes
2018-12-19 03:38 <Tampa> Thanks Ubit, will test once compiled :D
2018-12-19 03:47 <Ubit> have a bug
2018-12-19 03:48 <Tampa> ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)
2018-12-19 03:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #6063 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-19 03:55 <Tampa> You can hammer it into your brain that it starts at 0 you still end up making that mistake even after years lol
2018-12-19 03:55 <Tampa> No one is safe
2018-12-19 03:58 <Ubit> coff coff coff
2018-12-19 03:58 <Tampa> No one saw it, Ubit never makes mistakes xD
2018-12-19 03:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6063: SUCCESS in 5 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6063/
2018-12-19 03:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops
2018-12-19 04:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #6064 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-19 04:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6064: SUCCESS in 5 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6064/
2018-12-19 04:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: still another
2018-12-19 04:27 <Ubit> tampa? works ?
2018-12-19 04:27 <Tampa> My jenkins ain't so fast
2018-12-19 04:27 <Ubit> err and still remember what to test? :p
2018-12-19 04:34 <BillBlight> dev outreach is updated, has been for a while now
2018-12-19 04:37 <Tampa> Appears it does now obey the prim_link_target, yay
2018-12-19 04:38 <Tampa> Effectively also solves the setlink thing Bill mentioned, because you can use llGetKey for the target prim
2018-12-19 04:39 <Ubit> i see no point on that osGetLink.. sounds legacy
2018-12-19 04:42 <Ubit> well all that was supposed to be working.. but well bugs
2018-12-19 04:46 <Tampa> Yay, trees
2018-12-19 05:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #6065 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-19 05:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6065: SUCCESS in 5 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6065/
2018-12-19 05:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let osGetPrimitiveParams also return sitting avatar informationg, if PRIM_LINK_TARGET points to one
2018-12-19 05:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #6066 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-19 05:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6066: SUCCESS in 5 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6066/
2018-12-19 05:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: LINK_ALL_CHILDREN includes sitting avatars
2018-12-19 05:57 <Tampa> And here we are with people claiming you cannot talk to developers about problems or features, thanks Ubit
2018-12-19 12:19 <djphil> Ouch, i just found another strange text line on OS Wiki ...
2018-12-19 12:19 <djphil> UNIQ33379621df7244a-cleanpage-00000000-QINU
2018-12-19 12:19 <djphil> I have no power to delete somethink on this page
2018-12-19 12:19 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/BSD_License
2018-12-19 12:20 <djphil> This is probably a proteced page ...
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2018-12-19 23:50 <Tampa> Ubit: Kind regards from Edison, he loves the recent changes!
2018-12-19 23:52 <Ubit> :)
2018-12-20 07:32 <Tampa> The landdata traffic calculation is based on amount of logins total, not individual users visited?
2018-12-20 07:32 <Tampa> Is there a setting to change this to just count unique visitors?
2018-12-20 07:33 <Ubit> no
2018-12-20 07:33 <Ubit> its more or less time there
2018-12-20 07:33 <Ubit> with a time decay
2018-12-20 07:34 <Ubit> more users more time
2018-12-20 07:34 <Tampa> So if I have a region that only ever seen 4 avatars, but they tend to be there long then traffic value of 547 is users * time ?
2018-12-20 07:35 <Ubit> don't remember the math
2018-12-20 07:35 <Ubit> but around that yes
2018-12-20 07:35 <Ubit> nad has a decay
2018-12-20 07:35 <Ubit> no one, it will move to 0
2018-12-20 07:40 <djphil> A little question about osNpcSayTo : Can be used with and without "channel" as can osNpcSay ?
2018-12-20 07:40 <djphil> I'try to completing the wiki :p
2018-12-20 07:42 <Ubit> only version with channel
2018-12-20 07:43 <djphil> Oki
2018-12-20 07:43 <djphil> and is possible to change that a little for this closer to what osNpcSay can do ... ?
2018-12-20 07:44 <Ubit> thats adding one more func
2018-12-20 07:44 <BillBlight> it is more in line with llRegionSayTo, which requires a channel ..
2018-12-20 07:45 <djphil> true bill
2018-12-20 07:52 <BillBlight> As I said it is in line with llRegionSayTo, so you might make note that it is region wide, there is no range limit ..
2018-12-20 07:57 <djphil> Yeah! Another good reason to choose :)
2018-12-20 08:04 <BillBlight> added a comment to it
2018-12-20 08:04 <djphil> So, did you have a look at the npc's interface?
2018-12-20 08:04 <djphil> ha yes, let me see
2018-12-20 08:05 <djphil> ok see it!
2018-12-20 08:05 <BillBlight> well no , my plans got ruined , was in a bad mood, someone stole my credit card number 2 days before my birthday , which was yesterday, so I was in no mood to mess with anything ..
2018-12-20 08:06 <BillBlight> I have it on the server but have not played with it yet
2018-12-20 08:06 <djphil> Arfff :(
2018-12-20 08:06 <Tampa> It's been a year already, goodness
2018-12-20 08:07 <BillBlight> lol
2018-12-20 08:07 <Tampa> Can't we just stay young, hold me Bill I don't wanna get older
2018-12-20 08:07 <Tampa> Congratulations by the way
2018-12-20 08:07 <BillBlight> 
ACTION puts on hazmat suit

2018-12-20 08:07 <BillBlight> :P
2018-12-20 08:07 <BillBlight> Thanks
2018-12-20 08:08 <Tampa> Put that suit away Ima take a shower already calm down xD
2018-12-20 08:08 <BillBlight> sucks being cleaned out right before xmas, didn't get the chance to finish cleaning myself out
2018-12-20 08:08 <BillBlight> I'll get the money back, but they are much slower giving it back than taking it
2018-12-20 08:09 <Tampa> Maybe look into those throwaway credit card thingies?
2018-12-20 08:10 <Tampa> Anyways that traffic metric is intriguing, I wonder if it could be made to instead show unique visits only and if ossl could be made to read it
2018-12-20 08:10 <Tampa> Not really much use, but I like data
2018-12-20 08:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #6067 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-20 08:13 <BillBlight> I think djphil may have a working version of an alternate dwell module
2018-12-20 08:14 <djphil> yes i have, and up to date (working with master dev
2018-12-20 08:14 <djphil> I modified it to reflect something similar to other modules like profile / groups / search
2018-12-20 08:16 <djphil> eg: original name is Barasonisx-Dwell-Module with dll Barasonisx-Dwell-Module.dll
2018-12-20 08:17 <djphil> now is: OpenSimDwell with dll OpenSimDwell.Modules.dll
2018-12-20 08:17 <djphil> i juste leave to credit to 01Barasonisx-D01 of course
2018-12-20 08:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6067: SUCCESS in 5 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6067/
2018-12-20 08:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove spurius newline
2018-12-20 08:18 <djphil> here is the w3c demo tampa ... is work in progress
2018-12-20 08:18 <djphil> http://digigrids.no-ip.org/opensim/dwell/
2018-12-20 08:18 <djphil> and i work on a bootstrap version too (with full PDO)
2018-12-20 08:19 <BillBlight> that hgauth looks familiar  ..  :P
2018-12-20 08:19 <djphil> ho yeah! i rework it too with w3c
2018-12-20 08:20 <djphil> here is: http://digigrids.no-ip.org/opensim/hgauth/
2018-12-20 08:20 <BillBlight> scoreboard looks familiar too
2018-12-20 08:20 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-12-20 08:20 <BillBlight> :P
2018-12-20 08:21 <djphil> yeah
2018-12-20 08:21 <djphil> i have another one for inworld quiz
2018-12-20 08:22 <djphil> No w3c is on github at the moment ... only osmodules collection is on github (partially).
2018-12-20 08:22 <djphil> I say before you ask :p
2018-12-20 08:23 <BillBlight> haha
2018-12-20 08:23 <djphil> no haha, juste hehe :p
2018-12-20 08:23 <BillBlight> wasn't gonna ask, I already knew, but now Tampa knows
2018-12-20 08:24 <BillBlight> Ok I'm going to bed I have been awake so long, I'm sober again ... Started drinking early
2018-12-20 08:25 <djphil> Yesterday I was wondering if it would not be possible to allow cross-origin directly in the OpenSim.ini file for the entire region simulator ... ?
2018-12-20 08:26 <djphil> Because I see browser alerts when for example I ask jsonSimStats datas
2018-12-20 08:26 <djphil> And I do not see any possibility to allow cross-origin on jsonSimStats url's
2018-12-20 08:27 <BillBlight> would have to be added to the internal http server ...
2018-12-20 08:27 <BillBlight> 
ACTION pokes Ubit

2018-12-20 08:27 <djphil> Yes I think it could be a good thing ...
2018-12-20 08:28 <BillBlight> but maybe a potential security risk too
2018-12-20 08:28 <djphil> (i don't know)
2018-12-20 08:28 <BillBlight> (I don't either right now)
2018-12-20 08:28 <djphil> More risky than persistent url lol?
2018-12-20 08:29 <BillBlight> LOL, but the persistent urls are still UUID's , not fixed URLs like stats urls
2018-12-20 08:30 <BillBlight> so still harder to fine one of them
2018-12-20 08:30 <BillBlight> find
2018-12-20 08:30 <djphil> We can rename the url stats ... for example also add a uuid in
2018-12-20 08:31 <BillBlight> that is true
2018-12-20 08:31 <BillBlight> Ok good night , my pillow is calling my name
2018-12-20 08:31 <djphil> lol, night
2018-12-20 08:32 <djphil> is morning here !!!
2018-12-20 08:32 <djphil> 
ACTION send coffee to the channel

2018-12-20 09:20 <Tampa> That dwell module is a bit... too much, I just wanted unique visits really as a neat metric, no need for more complex stuff, though I'll keep it in mind should someone need it for whatever
2018-12-20 09:24 <djphil> have you see this one ? http://digigrids.no-ip.org/osmodules/osvisitors/
2018-12-20 09:24 <djphil> ... is available on github ;)
2018-12-20 09:26 <Tampa> I have stung a hornets nest, I shoulda known lol
2018-12-20 09:27 <djphil> It's a simple list of visitors, it works with a LSL inworld script
2018-12-20 09:27 <Tampa> I know, I pulled that in before to test
2018-12-20 09:28 <djphil> ha oki
2018-12-20 09:28 <Tampa> I'm just thinking outside the box last few days, kinda sniffing around the database tables to see what interesting thing I can find
2018-12-20 09:28 <djphil> There are some small search errors by date in the queries I believe ... but overall it works ...
2018-12-20 11:53 <osmantis> Bug #8430:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osNpcRezzingObject 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8430 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2018-12-20 11:58 <osmantis> Bug #8430:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osNpcRezzingObject 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8430 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2018-12-20 12:00 <osmantis> Bug #8431:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Extend osGetNPCList 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8431 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2018-12-20 12:02 <Tampa> osmantis being really helpful with its moonspeak
2018-12-20 12:03 <djphil> what that ?
2018-12-20 12:04 <Tampa> Just saying it always selects the language of the submitter never just english
2018-12-20 12:04 <djphil> how oki ^^
2018-12-20 22:42 <Velus> hey all just a quickie here, what carachters are alloud in the username are we talking only alfanumeric, alpha, or alphanumeric with some specials?
2018-12-20 22:53 <BillBlight> Not allowed, space, '@', '.', ':' 
2018-12-20 22:54 <Velus> but things like # !"£$% is allowed as username?
2018-12-20 22:54 <BillBlight> they would be, now if the viewer likes them or not, is unknown
2018-12-20 22:55 <Velus> ok
2018-12-20 22:55 <BillBlight> I have no current evidence, but I have a feeling special chars in usernames could potentially cause HG issues
2018-12-20 22:56 <Velusuni> thats what i was tghinking
2018-12-20 23:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #6068 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-20 23:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6068: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6068/
2018-12-20 23:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: warp3d: try handle planar mapping
2018-12-20 23:33 <Ubit> ok your maps just got even uglier :P
2018-12-20 23:33 <Ubit> ( and slower )
2018-12-20 23:59 <BillBlight> so now they look like you?  :P
2018-12-20 23:59 <BillBlight> HAHA
2018-12-20 23:59 <Ubit> :p
2018-12-21 00:00 <Ubit> hmm putting a pic of me on all opensim maps is a idea 
2018-12-21 00:00 <Ubit> :p
2018-12-21 00:01 <Ubit> im mean if grid == opensimLife
2018-12-21 00:02 <Ubit> ( now there goes bill taking the idea and putting his ugly pic )
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2018-12-21 00:20 <BillBlight> not a bad idea
2018-12-21 00:20 <BillBlight> 
ACTION runs off to look at it

2018-12-21 00:20 <BillBlight> :P
2018-12-21 00:20 <Ubit> :)
2018-12-21 06:46 <osmantis> Bug #8382:04 TP some time fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8382 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-21 06:53 <Tampa> Reading that report I really do wonder if there is not something else underneath that is adding to the issue
2018-12-21 07:05 <Plugh> uh oh. What did you just do?
2018-12-21 07:06 <Plugh> 
ACTION looks at the mantis

2018-12-21 07:08 <Plugh> When I first read the description I thought it was about a problem seeing YouTube videos in-world. :)
2018-12-21 07:08 <Tampa> Don't look at me I didn't break it... this time
2018-12-21 07:19 <Plugh> hehe
2018-12-21 07:29 <osmantis> Bug #8407:04 YEngine (and possibly XEngine) fails to compile some pre-existing scripts with null error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8407 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-21 15:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #6069 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-21 15:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6069: SUCCESS in 5 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6069/
2018-12-21 15:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: warp3d: add RenderMinHeight and RenderMaxHeight options, work on prims only for now
2018-12-21 16:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #6070 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-21 16:13 <djphil> Soon we can create terrains sculpty's with Warp 3D :p
2018-12-21 16:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6070: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6070/
2018-12-21 16:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update OpenSimDefaults.ini
2018-12-21 16:26 <Ubit> well this 2 where something several ppl asked 4 because sky boxes etc
2018-12-21 16:27 <Ubit> i left water and terrain out for now
2018-12-21 16:27 <Ubit> ie will show up
2018-12-21 16:27 <Ubit> if not covered by prims, of course
2018-12-21 16:27 <djphil> ho i see
2018-12-21 16:28 <Ubit> no you need to start the region, login and look to map to see :p
2018-12-21 16:28 <djphil> desaster :p
2018-12-21 16:28 <djphil> disaster*
2018-12-21 16:29 <Ubit> you know yr regions :p
2018-12-21 16:30 <djphil> And you had the good idea to give the values min / max :)
2018-12-21 16:30 <djphil> In OpenSim.ini we have many values where we do not have this information min / max ... and that would be very useful :)
2018-12-21 16:31 <Ubit> added to opensimdefaults copy to opensim.ini as usual
2018-12-21 16:32 <djphil> haha that's not what I'm talking to you ^^
2018-12-21 16:33 <djphil> but ... well tried
2018-12-21 16:33 <Ubit> hmm?
2018-12-21 16:34 <djphil> Well I suggest to fill ini files by giving the values min / max when it exists for this value
2018-12-21 16:35 <Ubit> and didn't i answered to that ??
2018-12-21 16:35 <djphil> copy from to don't change nothing ...
2018-12-21 16:36 <djphil> if values "min/max" is missing by defaukt
2018-12-21 16:36 <djphil> default*
2018-12-21 16:36 <djphil> exemple for WIND
2018-12-21 16:36 <djphil> avg_strength
2018-12-21 16:36 <djphil> what is the def min/max ?
2018-12-21 16:37 <BillBlight> 0/4096  willing to bet
2018-12-21 16:37 <Ubit> you mean what i called valid values?
2018-12-21 16:37 <BillBlight> or -100/4096
2018-12-21 16:37 <Ubit> you are still here bill ??
2018-12-21 16:37 <BillBlight> for now
2018-12-21 16:38 <BillBlight> taking a break from cooking food
2018-12-21 16:38 <Ubit> on warp
2018-12-21 16:38 <Ubit> the camera is at 4096
2018-12-21 16:38 <Ubit> so i gave 10m margin
2018-12-21 16:38 <Ubit> so max 4086
2018-12-21 16:38 <djphil> @Ubit Yes, indicate what are the valid minimum and maximum values because sometimes it is not specified
2018-12-21 16:38 <Ubit> just because decided max > 100m :p
2018-12-21 16:39 <Ubit> ok... since this are odd i did add that info
2018-12-21 16:39 <Ubit> well we can change that 100m if proven limiting
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2018-12-21 22:31 <osmantis> Bug #8382:04 TP some time fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8382 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-21 22:51 <osmantis> Bug #8431:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Extend osGetNpcList 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8431 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
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2018-12-22 11:47 <osmantis> Bug #8382:04 TP some time fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8382 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-22 11:51 <osmantis> Bug #8382:04 TP some time fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8382 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-12-22 12:21 <osmantis> Bug #8382:04 TP some time fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8382 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-22 13:17 <osmantis> Bug #8382:04 TP some time fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8382 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-22 16:13 <osmantis> Bug #8382:04 TP some time fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8382 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-23 09:35 <osmantis> Bug #8382:04 TP some time fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8382 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-23 16:34 <Plugh> Hey, dan. Got a moment?
2018-12-24 11:18 <osmantis> Bug #8432:04 Click to Open - Not Behaving Corrrectly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8432 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-12-24 11:39 <osmantis> Bug #8432:04 Click to Open - Not Behaving Corrrectly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8432 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-12-24 11:41 <AliciaRaven> rings a bell, i think i seen a click to open issue, think that was with FS tho
2018-12-24 11:45 <osmantis> Bug #8433:04 Viewgit dev master downloads report wrong version number 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8433 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-12-24 11:49 <osmantis> Bug #8433:04 Viewgit dev master downloads report wrong version number 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8433 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-24 11:50 <Tampa> Rofl
2018-12-24 11:50 <Tampa> Version numbers are meaningless anyways xD
2018-12-24 12:00 <osmantis> Bug #8432:04 Click to Open - Not Behaving Corrrectly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8432 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-24 12:01 <Tampa> Do tell, I am unable to reproduce on master
2018-12-24 12:01 <Ubit> the open?
2018-12-24 12:01 <Ubit> it also is not working at sl
2018-12-24 12:02 <Ubit> or im missing something
2018-12-24 12:07 <Tampa> If I just right click not doing anything more the next time I hover over it it shows the click to open
2018-12-24 12:08 <Tampa> I think the other viewer just does not update the prim definition until you query it
2018-12-24 12:08 <Tampa> Then again, after a few seconds it shows the click to open on it without clicking on it
2018-12-24 13:11 <Ubit> hmm i did test with a box inside a box
2018-12-24 14:23 <osmantis> Bug #8432:04 Click to Open - Not Behaving Corrrectly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8432 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-24 14:51 <osmantis> Bug #8432:04 Click to Open - Not Behaving Corrrectly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8432 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-24 14:58 <osmantis> Bug #8433:04 Viewgit dev master downloads report wrong version number 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8433 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-24 22:02 <AliciaRaven> almost time but still early, happy christmas everyone :)
2018-12-24 22:29 <osmantis> Bug #8432:04 Click to Open - Not Behaving Corrrectly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8432 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-12-24 22:30 <djphil> Fun Christmas for you too Alicia :)
2018-12-25 10:37 <osmantis> Bug #8432:04 Click to Open - Not Behaving Corrrectly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8432 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-25 10:38 <Tampa> Random disconnects are such fun
2018-12-25 10:39 <osmantis> Bug #8432:04 Click to Open - Not Behaving Corrrectly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8432 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-25 12:23 <osmantis> Bug #8432:04 Click to Open - Not Behaving Corrrectly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8432 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-12-25 12:34 <djphil> She's really weird that "open" option :o
2018-12-25 19:12 <osmantis> Bug #8432:04 Click to Open - Not Behaving Corrrectly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8432 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-25 20:15 <osmantis> Bug #8432:04 Click to Open - Not Behaving Corrrectly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8432 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-12-25 20:17 <osmantis> Bug #8432:04 Click to Open - Not Behaving Corrrectly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8432 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-25 20:31 <osmantis> Bug #8432:04 Click to Open - Not Behaving Corrrectly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8432 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-12-25 20:32 <Tampa> djphil, yeah I run into that too only really having god accounts lol
2018-12-25 20:32 <djphil> yeah that missing in my mind ^^
2018-12-25 20:32 <djphil> well done tampa :)
2018-12-25 20:34 <osmantis> Bug #8432:04 Click to Open - Not Behaving Corrrectly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8432 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-25 20:48 <osmantis> Bug #8432:04 Click to Open - Not Behaving Corrrectly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8432 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-25 20:51 <osmantis> Bug #8432:04 Click to Open - Not Behaving Corrrectly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8432 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-12-25 22:09 <osmantis> Bug #8432:04 Click to Open - Not Behaving Corrrectly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8432 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-12-25 22:17 <Tampa> Has this actually been resolved, there has been no clear resolution as to what exactly caused the original observation.
2018-12-25 22:19 <BillBlight> Actually there was, he thought the box was set that way for public, when actually the box was given first from a vendor ..
2018-12-25 22:23 <Tampa> With the "Steps to reproduce" though it sounds like a bug considered to be normal behavior though, may want to append a clarification or something
2018-12-25 22:24 <BillBlight> I actually tested this at SL and it behaves the same way, the only actually issue is viewer lag can cause the open icon to lag opening up , even if you are the owner/creator of the box .. This even happens in SL ..
2018-12-25 22:25 <Tampa> Aka the update on its own does not happen unless you query the prim options by clicking on it
2018-12-25 22:26 <Tampa> Or rather it does eventually make it to the other viewer, just takes a while
2018-12-25 22:26 <BillBlight> yes that is what I was going to say, and seems to occur regardless of SL or OS
2018-12-25 22:27 <BillBlight> The correct behavior for what he was looking for was buy contents, not open ..
2018-12-25 22:28 <BillBlight> He made an assumption that the box he had got it from was an "Open" box , when in fact it was a vendor, that gave him the box, and once he owned it, he coudl then Open it ..
2018-12-25 22:28 <BillBlight> AFAIK, this has been normal behavior for non-god accounts always ..
2018-12-25 22:30 <Tampa> May want to append that so it does not sound like his steps to reproduce constitute normal behavior as they don't
2018-12-25 22:31 <Tampa> Kinda bad scientific method on his part, nonetheless
2018-12-25 22:32 <BillBlight> no need to ammend, the steps to reproduce produce normal behavior, as I said in the last comment ..  So the steps do not reproduce a bug they reproduce normal behavior
2018-12-25 22:33 <BillBlight> his steps are not wrong, but he was wrong about the results he thought they should produce ..
2018-12-25 22:33 <Tampa> Well using them I am unable to reproduce what he observes even on normal accounts so...
2018-12-25 22:34 <BillBlight> I saw exactly what he saw , open was greyed, for a bit, but then even when it showed up , you are not actually able to open the item, so might as well be greyed out
2018-12-25 22:37 <Tampa> So you are saying it shows "Open" even if it is not able to, does that itself not sound like a bug or is that just viewer side?
2018-12-25 22:38 <BillBlight> well those menus are all generated viewer side, so if it is a bug it would be a viewer bug not reading the proper prim properties.
2018-12-25 22:40 <Tampa> Probably a good idea to eventually investigate that, only cause SL doing it does not mean we can't fix it :)
2018-12-25 22:40 <BillBlight> but regardless of the menu showing you still can't OPEN it, and take the items, so the sims permissions are still doing their job.
2018-12-25 22:41 <BillBlight> Open a Jira with Firestorm if you feel that strongly about it ..
2018-12-25 22:41 <Tampa> You know as well as me how well that goes...
2018-12-25 22:41 <osmantis> Bug #8432:04 Click to Open - Not Behaving Corrrectly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8432 ): has been CLOSED
2018-12-25 22:42 <Tampa> One more of those nasty desync things thanks to the caps being fire and forget
2018-12-25 22:43 <Tampa> Like driving a car using arrow keys...
2018-12-25 22:43 <BillBlight> I would not call this one nasty, big deal the menu shows up, as long as the perms are doing their job, it really does not matter ..
2018-12-25 22:47 <Tampa> Well the fact someone reported it tells me that some people may get confused over it, ignoring such things eventually leads to just clarifying and closing tickets over and over again. Granted the likelihood of this becoming annoying is low, but it has the potential to further someones distaste over OpenSim falsely believing this to be a bug on our end. Call me weird for looking at it that way, but winning over people in the face of SL 
2018-12-25 22:47 <Tampa> going down the toilet, as annoying they may be, with that just a potential of negative press and a "whatever that is normal" attitude is what keeps things like IMA popping up. Not to say bothering to "fix" this is the solution, but it does get me thinking. Hence why I said append some more detail to it so no ends up pointing fingers :)
2018-12-25 22:47 <BillBlight> did you look at the closing statement
2018-12-25 22:48 <Tampa> Yes, that is what I meant with appending :)
2018-12-25 22:48 <Tampa> Leaves no room for "but they said..." :)
2018-12-25 22:48 <BillBlight> not the resolve statement the closing one,  points it directly at the viewer
2018-12-25 22:49 <BillBlight> but to "fix" this on the server side, may just end up clogging the tubes even more, if you send even more object updates and hope the viewer catches one of them
2018-12-25 22:50 <Tampa> Yeah I agree, just making sure that there is no potential left for folks to point fingers claiming we ignore bugs or something :)
2018-12-25 22:51 <Tampa> Just making sure the #notourproblem is clear to anyone reading just the report and closing statement that's all, annoyingly that's what most seem to read -.-
2018-12-25 22:52 <BillBlight> Steps to reproduce are not entirely correct.
2018-12-25 22:52 <BillBlight> But this is normal behavior, you should only be able to "Open" boxes that belong to you. The correct setup to use for the desired result is "Buy>Contents" or use a giver script.
2018-12-25 22:52 <BillBlight> There does seem to be some inconsistency of when or why the open menu appears or does not appear, I'm going to make an assumption that since it is the same in SL that it is viewer lag or object update lag.
2018-12-25 22:52 <BillBlight> Not sure it is worth a Jira on the viewer though, since regardless of the menu if you don't have the proper permissions/ownership you still cannot OPEN the item.
2018-12-25 22:54 <Tampa> Likely would just get a "caps are fire and forget deal with it" from FS I would imagine
2018-12-25 22:54 <BillBlight> yep
2018-12-25 22:54 <BillBlight> and all we could do server side, is fire them more, therefore creating more traffic and potential lag
2018-12-25 22:55 <BillBlight> more specifically fire more object updates, over and over and over, regardless if they are actually needed, or the viewer caught them at all
2018-12-25 22:56 <Tampa> The problem really comes down to what people expect as behavior possibly being spoiled by other videogames in regards to sync-rates so... not really sure what's best to do, all has the potential for spam, then again we don't live in 56kb times anymore and flood detection is not that difficult. Rewriting the whole caps pipe though... eh
2018-12-25 22:56 <Tampa> Work outweigh the benefit
2018-12-25 22:56 <BillBlight> yes this is a "Mountain out of a Molehill" moment ...
2018-12-25 22:57 <Tampa> The aspect of low-level teaching people to debug stuff on their own also comes to mind, instead of just throwing your arms in the air "this is glitchy" or whatever
2018-12-25 22:59 <Tampa> Though I do try to not assume my level of competence to be shared by other users, being me-proof does not mean idiot-proof even if that sometimes seems to be the same
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2018-12-27 02:23 <Plugh> Hey, danbanner
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2018-12-27 17:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #6071 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-27 17:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6071: SUCCESS in 7 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6071/
2018-12-27 17:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libopenmetaverse
2018-12-27 18:01 <Tampa> DotNetMail, what's that for anyways?
2018-12-27 18:09 <Ubit> o touched that?
2018-12-27 18:09 <Ubit> i ?
2018-12-27 18:16 <BillBlight> I would say it is most likely for the smtp service to send mail from the regions ..
2018-12-27 18:17 <Ubit> the name kinda tells something :)
2018-12-27 18:17 <BillBlight> yeah
2018-12-27 18:17 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-12-27 18:26 <Plugh> Yes it is for the SMTP service and its very old.
2018-12-27 18:29 <Plugh> I think that was the one that was old. I started looking in to replacing the current SMTP support code with the standard C# mail routines.
2018-12-27 18:30 <Plugh> System.Net.Mail
2018-12-27 18:31 <djphil> This system is able ton connect directly to the provider mail service ? with login/pass ?
2018-12-27 18:31 <djphil> bc the old isn't ...
2018-12-27 18:31 <BillBlight> no the old cannot to TLS/SSL
2018-12-27 18:31 <BillBlight> it can connect directly without those
2018-12-27 18:31 <djphil> yeah i know, i ask for the new :p
2018-12-27 18:32 <Plugh> The SMTP system we have now doesn't handle much in the way of authentication.
2018-12-27 18:32 <BillBlight> it handles non-ssl/tls auth fine, but yeah I digress
2018-12-27 18:32 <djphil> and 02System.Net.Mail01 is able ?
2018-12-27 18:33 <Plugh> yes, it handles newer authentication methods.
2018-12-27 18:33 <BillBlight> I use stunnel anyway, so never an issue
2018-12-27 18:33 <djphil> haaa that better :)
2018-12-27 18:33 <Plugh> djphil: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.net.mail?view=netframework-4.7.2
2018-12-27 18:33 <djphil> ouch ^^
2018-12-27 18:34 <BillBlight> I like using stunnel and would regardless, gives me an extra layer, I can kill mail on the regions just by shutting off the stunnel service, don't have to restart the regions ... :P
2018-12-27 18:39 <djphil> An simple ini file reload could not help in this case?
2018-12-27 18:40 <BillBlight> even if that were the case you would have to do it to all regions, using stunnel just stop or start the service and all regions using it either can or can't get out to mail ..
2018-12-27 18:42 <djphil> if you stop the service without restart the simulator .... welcome red alerts on console ;p
2018-12-27 18:42 <BillBlight> big deal, if they are mail alerts , not going to hurt the sim
2018-12-27 18:43 <BillBlight> people freak out over the color of the text even though it may not actually be something that is going to hurt the sim ..
2018-12-27 18:43 <BillBlight> OMG THE TEXT IS RED, THE WORLD IS ENDING ... LOL :P
2018-12-27 18:44 <djphil> just it's not good practice ...
2018-12-27 18:44 <BillBlight> if you use Warp3d you live in Red Text land ... LOL
2018-12-27 18:44 <djphil> yes if you open the map :)
2018-12-27 18:45 <BillBlight> Not good practice, would be no different if they could not reach the mail server .. but does not matter
2018-12-27 18:45 <BillBlight> Not being able to reach the mail server will not crash your sim, will just error the  mail function, so not really a world ending problem
2018-12-27 18:46 <BillBlight> It really should not be a red error anyway
2018-12-27 18:46 <BillBlight> as it is not critical
2018-12-27 18:48 <djphil> The log analyser you host on github working on master Bill ?
2018-12-27 18:48 <BillBlight> I think I forked one
2018-12-27 18:49 <djphil> hooo you forget it .... for sure then he don't work with master
2018-12-27 18:50 <djphil> i remember in the past, the php function to parse ini files don't work very well with opensim ini files
2018-12-27 18:51 <BillBlight> I think that is because php expects // as comments where we use ;;
2018-12-27 18:51 <djphil> maybee yes ... and other special charts too
2018-12-27 18:53 <BillBlight> I have never  understood that, C# users //, php users //, lsl uses //, why do the INI's use ;; ?
2018-12-27 18:54 <BillBlight> I do know why , but still annoying
2018-12-27 18:54 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-12-27 18:54 <djphil> End of Word ?
2018-12-27 18:55 <Tampa> So what did the update fix/enhance?
2018-12-27 18:55 <BillBlight> that and the nini reader .. also rarely would you ever put ;; but you can have // in a url which the INI uses a lot of in unescaped form
2018-12-27 18:56 <BillBlight> by not haveing // as a comment , url's don't have to be enclosed "" or escaped
2018-12-27 18:57 <djphil> why not using simplely #
2018-12-27 18:58 <BillBlight> that would be even more odd, really
2018-12-27 18:58 <BillBlight> and would confuse the poor windows users ... :P
2018-12-27 18:58 <BillBlight> "Why are their hashtags in my config file?? "
2018-12-27 18:58 <BillBlight> :P
2018-12-27 18:59 <djphil> my ini file work can work directly with my twitter account ?
2018-12-27 18:59 <BillBlight> LOL
2018-12-27 18:59 <djphil> what ?
2018-12-27 19:00 <djphil> isn't possible ????
2018-12-27 19:00 <djphil> :o
2018-12-27 19:02 <Plugh> Bill, php also uses # for comments
2018-12-27 19:06 <BillBlight> ummm, ok, officially only // /* */ is supposed to be used as comments ... # is a special use 
2018-12-27 19:06 <BillBlight> http://php.net/manual/en/language.basic-syntax.comments.php
2018-12-27 19:07 <BillBlight> but yes, you are right, it does work
2018-12-27 19:07 <BillBlight> just hardly anybody uses that anymore, really , at least in the circles I frequent
2018-12-27 19:31 <Plugh> After you register a region with osgrid, is there a place on the osgrid website where you can find the details of the region you created if you lose the Regions.ini file?
2018-12-27 19:42 <nebadon> Plugh, log into website and go here > https://www.osgrid.org/accounts/?q=user/163/grid/regions
2018-12-27 19:43 <nebadon> its under your profile if that link does not work
2018-12-27 19:46 <Plugh> Ok, thanks. Found it. Problem is that the region I wanted to find is in a different persons name and they just went for lunch. :P
2018-12-27 19:47 <Plugh> nebadon: Can I PM you for a moment?
2018-12-27 19:47 <nebadon> sure
2018-12-27 20:38 <Plugh> Hey, paela.
2018-12-27 20:38 <Plugh> Hope you had a good Christmas.
2018-12-27 20:39 <Plugh> I just reported a website problem to Dan.
2018-12-27 20:52 <Plugh> Paela, There is a problem on the osgrid website. 
2018-12-27 20:53 <Plugh> Go to Grid -> Generator Regions.ini, fill in details, hit submit, then you will see a page that says "effect" something instead of "affect" something but the link to View File throws up an error message page. A 404 one IIRC.
2018-12-28 04:01 <paela> Hi Plugh thanks for the report have fixe it :)
2018-12-28 04:01 <Plugh> yw
2018-12-28 11:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #6072 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-28 11:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6072: SUCCESS in 6 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6072/
2018-12-28 11:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: some retouchs on animationset code
2018-12-28 13:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #6073 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-28 13:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6073: SUCCESS in 5 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6073/
2018-12-28 13:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update pbs
2018-12-28 14:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #6074 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-28 14:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6074: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6074/
2018-12-28 14:10 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: now break several things at same time... sog/sop updates, threads options,...
2018-12-28 14:10 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: missing file
2018-12-28 14:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #6075 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-28 14:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6075: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6075/
2018-12-28 14:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add some LSL
2018-12-28 18:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #6076 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-28 18:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6076: SUCCESS in 5 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6076/
2018-12-28 18:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: PGSQL: store vehicle data
2018-12-28 18:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #6077 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-28 18:55 <Ubit> wonder how no one complained ?
2018-12-28 18:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6077: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6077/
2018-12-28 18:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: PGSQL: it may be a good idea to also add the field to the table
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2018-12-28 21:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #6078 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-28 21:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6078: SUCCESS in 5 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6078/
2018-12-28 21:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove silly double locking
2018-12-28 21:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #6079 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-28 21:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6079: SUCCESS in 5 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6079/
2018-12-28 21:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: sog GetLinkNumber() forget avatars that did standup
2018-12-28 23:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #6080 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-28 23:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6080: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6080/
2018-12-28 23:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: still pgsql
2018-12-29 07:06 <osmantis> Bug #8423:04 Invalid formatted GUID in the DB causes the instance to crash on startup. Log file does not show the bad GUID so cannot fix it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8423 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-29 10:05 <osmantis> Bug #8434:04 Take Copy on items that came from a folder that has since been trashed but remains there goes into folder within trash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8434 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-12-29 10:06 <osmantis> Bug #8434:04 Take Copy on items that came from a folder that has since been trashed but remains there goes into folder within trash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8434 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-12-29 16:29 <osmantis> Bug #8423:04 Invalid formatted GUID in the DB causes the instance to crash on startup. Log file does not show the bad GUID so cannot fix it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8423 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-29 16:38 <osmantis> Bug #8434:04 Take Copy on items that came from a folder that has since been trashed but remains there goes into folder within trash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8434 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008419.
2018-12-29 16:38 <osmantis> Bug #8419:04 Inventory fail after delete Source Folder. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8419 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008434.
2018-12-29 16:41 <osmantis> Bug #8434:04 Take Copy on items that came from a folder that has since been trashed but remains there goes into folder within trash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8434 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-29 16:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #6081 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-29 16:55 <osmantis> Bug #8434:04 Take Copy on items that came from a folder that has since been trashed but remains there goes into folder within trash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8434 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-12-29 16:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6081: SUCCESS in 6 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6081/
2018-12-29 16:59 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change DBGSuids a bit, let it return uuid.zero in more fail cases, not killing region
2018-12-29 16:59 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: changes on updates
2018-12-29 19:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #6082 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-29 19:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6082: SUCCESS in 5 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6082/
2018-12-29 19:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: changes on updates
2018-12-29 23:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #6083 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-29 23:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6083: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6083/
2018-12-29 23:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: changes on updates
2018-12-30 02:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #6084 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-30 02:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6084: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6084/
2018-12-30 02:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: changes on updates
2018-12-30 14:48 <osmantis> Bug #8435:04 Navigation lag 10 seconds, Cross region lag 30 seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8435 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-12-30 14:58 <osmantis> Bug #8435:04 Navigation lag 10 seconds, Cross region lag 30 seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8435 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-30 15:03 <osmantis> Bug #8435:04 Navigation lag 10 seconds, Cross region lag 30 seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8435 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2018-12-30 15:04 <osmantis> Bug #8435:04 Navigation lag 10 seconds, Cross region lag 30 seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8435 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-30 15:29 <osmantis> Bug #8435:04 Navigation lag 10 seconds, Cross region lag 30 seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8435 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-30 16:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #6085 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-30 16:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6085: SUCCESS in 32 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6085/
2018-12-30 16:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libopenmetaverse
2018-12-30 18:06 <osmantis> Bug #8436:04 Can not modify script when is in inventory OpenSim 0.9.1.0 Snail Dev  4d3d999 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8436 ): La siguiente incidencia ha sido ENVIADA.
2018-12-30 18:07 <osmantis> Bug #8436:04 Yengine : Can not modify script when is in inventory OpenSim 0.9.1.0 Snail Dev  4d3d999 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8436 ): La siguiente incidencia ha sido ACTUALIZADA.
2018-12-30 18:11 <Ubit> ohh a bug
2018-12-30 18:13 <djphil> not for a long time
2018-12-30 18:34 <BillBlight> I thought that was working fine now
2018-12-30 18:37 <Plugh> It is for XEngine.
2018-12-30 18:39 <Ubit> nothing to do with engines
2018-12-30 18:42 <BillBlight> yeah not working fine ... LOL
2018-12-30 18:43 <Ubit> hmm funny sl tells nothing
2018-12-30 18:43 <Ubit> yeap we are doing it wrong
2018-12-30 18:48 <osmantis> Bug #8436:04 Yengine : Can not modify script when is in inventory OpenSim 0.9.1.0 Snail Dev  4d3d999 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8436 ): La siguiente incidencia ha sido ACTUALIZADA.
2018-12-30 18:52 <Plugh> Ubit, if it has nothing to do with engines why did the report title get changed to include the YEngine reference?
2018-12-30 18:53 <AliciaRaven> if its in inventory i dont think any scrip engine gets anywhere near it, inventory handles it
2018-12-30 18:58 <Ubit> ask author
2018-12-30 19:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #6086 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-30 19:02 <osmantis> Bug #8436:04 Yengine : Can not modify script when is in inventory OpenSim 0.9.1.0 Snail Dev  4d3d999 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8436 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-30 19:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6086: SUCCESS in 5 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6086/
2018-12-30 19:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8436: fix lludp message
2018-12-30 21:24 <osmantis> Bug #8436:04 Yengine : Can not modify script when is in inventory OpenSim 0.9.1.0 Snail Dev  4d3d999 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8436 ): La siguiente incidencia ha sido RESUELTA.
2018-12-30 22:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #6087 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-30 22:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6087: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6087/
2018-12-30 22:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add some persistence (mysql only)
2018-12-31 00:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #6088 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-31 00:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6088: SUCCESS in 5 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6088/
2018-12-31 00:28 <osjenkins> melanie: Put the virtual decls back in, they're needed by the freshly donated ...
2018-12-31 07:14 <osmantis> Bug #8427:04 llCastRay cannot detect prims in the same build as the script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8427 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-31 07:17 <osmantis> Bug #8427:04 llCastRay cannot detect prims in the same build as the script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8427 ): has been UPDATED.
2018-12-31 07:18 <osmantis> Bug #8427:04 llCastRay cannot detect prims in the same build as the script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8427 ): has been RESOLVED.
2018-12-31 09:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #6089 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-31 10:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6089: SUCCESS in 6 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6089/
2018-12-31 10:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a bit more persistence (still mysql only)
2018-12-31 10:18 <osmantis> Bug #8435:04 Navigation lag 10 seconds, Cross region lag 30 seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8435 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-31 13:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #6090 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-31 13:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6090: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6090/
2018-12-31 13:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: lost in updates
2018-12-31 14:02 <osmantis> Bug #8435:04 Navigation lag 10 seconds, Cross region lag 30 seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8435 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2018-12-31 14:25 <osmantis> Bug #8435:04 Navigation lag 10 seconds, Cross region lag 30 seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8435 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-31 16:02 <osmantis> Bug #8437:04 Remove Threat Levels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8437 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2018-12-31 16:18 <osmantis> Bug #8437:04 Remove Threat Levels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8437 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2018-12-31 16:24 <osmantis> Bug #8437:04 Remove Threat Levels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8437 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-31 16:25 <djphil> Hi Ubit, if you visit osslEnable soon, I've found little detail to correct ...
2018-12-31 16:25 <djphil> Allow_osGetNPCList = $ {OSSL | osslParcelOG} ESTATE_MANAGER, ESTATE_OWNER
2018-12-31 16:25 <djphil> should be
2018-12-31 16:25 <djphil> Allow_osGetNPCList = $ {OSSL | osslNPC}
2018-12-31 16:25 <BillBlight> don't think so
2018-12-31 16:25 <BillBlight> that is not an NPC command, it is a list of NPC's
2018-12-31 16:25 <djphil> Well all other look like that ...
2018-12-31 16:26 <djphil> all other (npc)
2018-12-31 16:26 <BillBlight> others are direct NPC commands
2018-12-31 16:26 <BillBlight> they make NPC's do something
2018-12-31 16:26 <djphil> param is same in ...
2018-12-31 16:26 <djphil> osslNPC = ${OSSL|osslParcelOG}ESTATE_MANAGER,ESTATE_OWNER
2018-12-31 16:27 <BillBlight> by default yes
2018-12-31 16:27 <BillBlight> but it does not  have to stay the same
2018-12-31 16:28 <djphil> ... ok, i see
2018-12-31 16:28 <BillBlight> for instance I let people use osNPCList that don't have NPC commands , for their radar huds and such , don't want them to be able to make NPC's
2018-12-31 16:28 <Ubit> why don't viewers login with robust down? silly viewers
2018-12-31 16:29 <BillBlight> LMAO
2018-12-31 16:29 <Ubit> well and region
2018-12-31 16:29 <Ubit> LOL
2018-12-31 16:30 <Ubit> rushing things to leave never works right :)
2018-12-31 16:38 <osmantis> Bug #8437:04 Remove Threat Levels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8437 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-31 16:44 <osmantis> Bug #8437:04 Remove Threat Levels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8437 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-31 16:59 <osmantis> Bug #8437:04 Remove Threat Levels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8437 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2018-12-31 16:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #6091 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2018-12-31 17:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6091: SUCCESS in 5 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6091/
2018-12-31 17:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: temporary HACK to not kill some viewers
2018-12-31 17:12 <djphil> Why do we have so much delay to open a web page with a script or to load a web page on a media on a prim ... it's horribly long ... :s
2018-12-31 18:18 <Ubit>  rl calls, happy 2019
2018-12-31 18:25 <Plugh> Happy new year, Ubit.
2018-12-31 18:57 <BillBlight> djphil, that is the linden way, and well, not on my fork, they are configurable ..
2018-12-31 18:59 <Plugh> djphil: Check the LSL wiki pages. LL may have imposed some delays on the functions.
2018-12-31 19:04 <djphil> Yes, that I know too ... but we are OpenSimulator, not Second Life
2018-12-31 19:04 <djphil> In other words, do not you think this delay is too important?
2018-12-31 19:05 <djphil> It's a little at the expense of a pleasant use ...
2018-12-31 19:06 <djphil> Of course on your fork is better Bill :) but is a fork, not master
2018-12-31 19:06 <Plugh> On the one hand people seem to expect things to work like they do in SL and on the other hand we aren't LL. :)
2018-12-31 19:06 <BillBlight> I tried to talk about this before, was shot down over "security" and "griefing", this was actually the main reason I started my fork
2018-12-31 19:07 <BillBlight> almost 2 years ago now
2018-12-31 19:07 <djphil> I agree Plugh ;)
2018-12-31 19:10 <Plugh> I just remembered I need to order some NVRAM for use in a couple of projects.
2018-12-31 19:11 <djphil> These "security reasons" are really debatable and are to the detriment of a pleasant use of the functions concerned and for misguided users, we can still ban scripts on our region.
2018-12-31 19:12 <BillBlight> well, on the other hand it also defends against badly written scripts not just griefers , I do see the use, but it should be a choice
2018-12-31 19:13 <djphil> True!
2018-12-31 19:14 <Plugh> The world of OpenSim is full of badly written scripts that came from SL. Users still expect they can continue to use their SL scripts as is regardless of the impact they can have to a region.
2018-12-31 19:15 <djphil> well a quick sensor or timer is a bad usage too :p
2018-12-31 19:15 <BillBlight> I agree with that plugh, but I still think it should be up to the grid/region owner to decide what that limit is, sure keep them LL set by default, but allow the owner to be more or less restrictive, we do it with OSSL why not with LL ..
2018-12-31 19:16 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2018-12-31 19:16 <Plugh> I just noticed the time. I better get going for my walk before the rain starts.
2018-12-31 19:16 <djphil> +1 Buill
2018-12-31 19:16 <djphil> Bill*
2018-12-31 19:16 <djphil> hahah Bull
2018-12-31 19:17 <BillBlight> Usually people complete that word when talking to me ... LOL
2018-12-31 19:17 <djphil> heh! :)
2018-12-31 19:17 <Plugh> :)
2018-12-31 19:17 <Plugh> ttyl
2018-12-31 19:17 <BillBlight> laters
2019-01-01 02:08 <misterblue> Happy New Year, everyone. May most of your happiness not be virtual!
2019-01-01 02:23 <BillBlight> Happy Blue Year .. Ohhh Wait ..
2019-01-01 02:23 <BillBlight> Happy New Year, yeah that's it
2019-01-01 03:18 <Plugh> :)
2019-01-01 04:42 <djphil> Hey! Happy New Year All  :)
2019-01-01 04:48 <AliciaRaven> hey djphil happy new year :)
2019-01-01 04:49 <djphil> :)
2019-01-01 04:50 <AliciaRaven> happy new years to all, 2019, omg where does time go lol
2019-01-01 10:37 <BillBlight> Happy Hangover Day ... Now I'm going to sleep , maybe ..
2019-01-01 11:15 <Ubit> 2019 seens so like 2018 so far
2019-01-01 12:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #6092 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-01 12:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6092: SUCCESS in 6 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6092/
2019-01-01 12:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: replace my hack by others hack
2019-01-01 12:29 <osmantis> Bug #8438:04 Yengine: scripts error when region is closing by scripts with particle systems. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8438 ): La siguiente incidencia ha sido ENVIADA.
2019-01-01 12:30 <osmantis> Bug #8438:04 Yengine: scripts error when region is closing by scripts with particle systems. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8438 ): La siguiente incidencia ha sido ACTUALIZADA.
2019-01-01 13:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #6093 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-01 13:19 <osmantis> Bug #8438:04 Yengine: scripts error when region is closing by scripts with particle systems. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8438 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-01 13:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6093: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6093/
2019-01-01 13:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8438: work around null ref
2019-01-01 13:32 <osmantis> Bug #8438:04 Yengine: scripts error when region is closing by scripts with particle systems. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8438 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2019-01-01 15:58 <osmantis> Bug #8439:04 Region maptiles - can previous tiles be removed from database as they are replaced by later versions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8439 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-01-01 15:59 <osmantis> Bug #8439:04 Region maptiles - can previous tiles be removed from database as they are replaced by later versions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8439 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-01-01 18:51 <osmantis> Bug #8439:04 Region maptiles - can previous tiles be removed from database as they are replaced by later versions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8439 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-01-01 18:56 <osmantis> Bug #8440:04 Texture loading 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8440 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-01-01 18:59 <osmantis> Bug #8440:04 Texture loading 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8440 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-01 19:31 <djphil> Hi Plugh, have you suggestion about this alert ?
2019-01-01 19:31 <djphil> [PROFILES_DATA]: GetPickInfo exception Could not find specified column in results: gatekeeper
2019-01-01 19:31 <Plugh>  You are missing a field in a database table.
2019-01-01 19:32 <djphil> you mean profile database ?
2019-01-01 19:32 <Plugh> That's where I'd look.
2019-01-01 19:32 <djphil> heh ... how to know that
2019-01-01 19:33 <Plugh> Could be a failed database migration.
2019-01-01 19:33 <djphil> i get this alert when i try to update picks/profile but i have verified the database ... and all rows seams ok
2019-01-01 19:33 <Plugh> djphil: Is there any filename or line number reference along with that error?
2019-01-01 19:34 <djphil> i have debuged the params yes ...
2019-01-01 19:34 <djphil> and recieve too this alert
2019-01-01 19:34 <djphil> 07:06:10 - [PROFILES_DATA]: UpdatePicksRecord exception Column count doesn't match value count at row 1
2019-01-01 19:34 <djphil> and the viewer say "pick update failed ...
2019-01-01 19:35 <djphil> the array returned by the profil seams ok ...
2019-01-01 19:35 <djphil> and the database is updated
2019-01-01 19:35 <Plugh> Checking in to that message the problem is in the userpicks table.
2019-01-01 19:35 <djphil> yes
2019-01-01 19:36 <djphil> i have checked and re re re re checked
2019-01-01 19:36 <Plugh> How many fields does your table have?
2019-01-01 19:36 <djphil> 13
2019-01-01 19:36 <Plugh> It should have 14.
2019-01-01 19:36 <djphil> ha ok, i have no see that
2019-01-01 19:36 <Plugh> It is missing field gatekeeper varchar(255)" at the end.
2019-01-01 19:37 <djphil> Hmmm ok
2019-01-01 19:37 <djphil> you know the position of it ?
2019-01-01 19:37 <Plugh> djphil: Are you changing from using my addon OpenSimProfile module to the core one?
2019-01-01 19:37 <djphil> yes
2019-01-01 19:37 <Plugh> core one -> core profile module?
2019-01-01 19:37 <Plugh> ok. That's the problem.
2019-01-01 19:37 <djphil> but no change in database
2019-01-01 19:37 <djphil> and no used the migration sql
2019-01-01 19:38 <djphil> i'm using the build in, from your repo
2019-01-01 19:38 <Plugh> The built-in core version and the version from my repo site are not the same thing.
2019-01-01 19:39 <djphil> i using your
2019-01-01 19:39 <Plugh> I haven't added in some of the code required to include HG support.
2019-01-01 19:39 <djphil> sorry if i say 'builit-in", i'm bad, i'm wrong
2019-01-01 19:39 <djphil> for now i test it on a grid without HG
2019-01-01 19:39 <Plugh> My version doesn't use, or expect, a gatekeeper field in the userpicks table.
2019-01-01 19:40 <djphil> ha ok
2019-01-01 19:40 <djphil> well then my userpicks is ok ...
2019-01-01 19:41 <djphil> somethink is wrong on my configuration you think ?
2019-01-01 19:41 <Plugh> The table may be but your configuration must have an error in it.
2019-01-01 19:41 <djphil> Hmmm
2019-01-01 19:41 <Plugh> I'm thinking you are trying to use my module but have the grid configured to use core profiles.
2019-01-01 19:41 <djphil> ok, i will look arround that
2019-01-01 19:41 <djphil> Hmmm :s
2019-01-01 19:43 <Plugh> Do you have any lines uncommented in [UserProfiles] in OpenSim.ini?
2019-01-01 19:43 <djphil> yes i have 2
2019-01-01 19:43 <djphil> ProfileServiceURL = "${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}"
2019-01-01 19:43 <djphil> AllowUserProfileWebURLs = true
2019-01-01 19:44 <djphil> and i try to enabled web profile with this line too
2019-01-01 19:44 <djphil> ProfileServiceURL = "http://digigrids.no-ip.org/opensim/webprofile/index.php"
2019-01-01 19:44 <djphil> but no work ...
2019-01-01 19:44 <Plugh> I think those two lines are for use with core profiles.
2019-01-01 19:44 <djphil> ok i can try with these 2 lines commented
2019-01-01 19:45 <djphil> but this "ProfileServiceURL" is for web profile or not ...
2019-01-01 19:45 <Plugh> You are setting up a region that will be connected to an existing grid? 
2019-01-01 19:45 <djphil> i don't remeber how to and where set the webprofile url lol
2019-01-01 19:46 <Plugh> My version of profiles module doesn't use settings in [UserProfile].
2019-01-01 19:46 <djphil> is a basic grid at home, i host 1 robust and 1 simu
2019-01-01 19:47 <djphil> ok about [UserProfile] i will test with all commented
2019-01-01 19:47 <Plugh> ok. If it is something you are running on your own machine you shouldn't be pointing to some remote website.
2019-01-01 19:47 <djphil> you mean for webprofile ?
2019-01-01 19:48 <Plugh> I don't have any support files for accessing and viewing avatar profiles via a web page.
2019-01-01 19:49 <djphil> yes i know ... i just ask lol
2019-01-01 19:49 <djphil> webprofile is 100% separed
2019-01-01 19:49 <djphil> i just forget how to set it to run
2019-01-01 19:50 <djphil> and about it ... but that for danbanner ... i found a error on Osgrid webprofile too
2019-01-01 19:50 <djphil> he don't accept name with space betweed first and last
2019-01-01 19:50 <djphil> so result in viewer is error .... web profil no found
2019-01-01 19:51 <djphil> osgrid profil accept . but not space ... that the problem (easy to fix)
2019-01-01 19:51 <djphil> but that not my current problem ^^
2019-01-01 19:54 <Plugh> My module is configured by using a section called [Profile] in OpenSim.ini
2019-01-01 19:54 <djphil> yes with 2 line
2019-01-01 19:54 <djphil> Module = "OpenSimProfile";
2019-01-01 19:54 <djphil> ProfileURL = "http://digigrids.no-ip.org/owigrid/profile/index.php"
2019-01-01 19:55 <djphil> that what i have for [Profile]
2019-01-01 19:55 <Plugh> ok. You own, or maintain, the digigrids.no-ip.org website?
2019-01-01 19:55 <djphil> yes
2019-01-01 19:55 <Plugh> ok.
2019-01-01 19:55 <djphil> at home
2019-01-01 19:56 <Plugh> You renamed the profile.php file to index.php?
2019-01-01 19:56 <djphil> yes
2019-01-01 19:56 <Plugh> ok
2019-01-01 19:57 <djphil> i have commented the 2 lines on [UserProfiles] now but isn't good
2019-01-01 19:58 <djphil> now i can save any picks / and see any picks
2019-01-01 19:58 <Plugh> Comment out the ProfileServiceURL in [UserProfiles] and you should be good to go. You can leave the other line uncommented if you want profiles available via a web browser as my module doesn't provide that feature.
2019-01-01 19:59 <djphil> ok, for webprofile, i will look later. My priority is Normal Profile from your repo
2019-01-01 19:59 <Plugh> ok
2019-01-01 20:00 <djphil> and with all line from [UserProfiles] commented, picks no work
2019-01-01 20:00 <djphil> no saved, no visible .... just 0 picks
2019-01-01 20:00 <djphil> and any alert no where lol
2019-01-01 20:01 <djphil> the profile db is installed on the same db than opensim robust and simu .... is all in one db (for testing)
2019-01-01 20:02 <djphil> and what about [UserProfilesService] in Robust.ini ?
2019-01-01 20:03 <djphil> i see this section is Enabled
2019-01-01 20:08 <Plugh> The only changes you need to make are the ones I mentioned in the README file.
2019-01-01 20:11 <djphil> i see by default, UserProfileService is enabled on Robust.ini ...
2019-01-01 20:11 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=viewblob&p=opensim&h=3222a94ad120702ea23b15355ff80518aab97824&hb=9c043fe41401c6334b69ef7c19001ecfc6cf8934&f=bin/Robust.ini.example
2019-01-01 20:12 <djphil> i have setup this section too
2019-01-01 20:12 <djphil> maybee that must be turn off
2019-01-01 20:13 <Plugh> My module doesn't use any settings in the Robust.ini file. 
2019-01-01 20:14 <djphil> Well is the default config ... and nothing mentionned about it ...
2019-01-01 20:14 <Plugh> In that case, don't touch it unless something in the comments for the setting indicate you may need to for your grid configuration.
2019-01-01 20:15 <djphil> This section have onlye one comment ...
2019-01-01 20:16 <djphil> " ;; Configure this for separate profiles database "
2019-01-01 20:16 <Plugh> You have already added the three lines to the OpenSim.ini file my module needs. The other settings you may find regarding profile are grid related. Use the defaults, or set them according to the comments associated with the setting based on your need.
2019-01-01 20:16 <djphil> that all
2019-01-01 20:17 <Plugh> That would be if you are using the core profile module.
2019-01-01 20:17 <djphil> Well for [Profile] i have 2 lines, not 3
2019-01-01 20:17 <djphil> and for [UserProfiles] i have commented all
2019-01-01 20:17 <Plugh> I was counting the [Profile] line.
2019-01-01 20:18 <djphil> ha oki :)
2019-01-01 20:22 <djphil> heh found a error on your phàp file ...
2019-01-01 20:22 <djphil> in avatarpicksrequest
2019-01-01 20:22 <djphil> simulator send "uuid"
2019-01-01 20:22 <djphil> but your php try to get $req['avatar_id'];
2019-01-01 20:23 <djphil> hehe it work now :)
2019-01-01 20:23 <djphil> let me procced more test ... but seam found the problem/bug
2019-01-01 20:24 <djphil> :) seams working just fine now :)
2019-01-01 20:25 <djphil> you whant i do a repport on your repo for this error ?
2019-01-01 20:31 <djphil> Hmmm i see you have allready "uuid"
2019-01-01 20:31 <djphil> https://github.com/kcozens/OpenSimProfile/blob/master/webroot/profile.php#L243
2019-01-01 20:32 <osmantis> Bug #8440:04 Texture loading 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8440 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-01 20:32 <djphil> for an obscure reason it was avatar_id at home: :o
2019-01-01 20:57 <djphil> @ Plugh : Well, now Picks is ok ... with the exception of pick "location" which stays on loading without ever displaying the "location" ... even just after saving a new position, it comes back directly to loading but nothing other is displayed.
2019-01-01 21:01 <djphil> https://imgur.com/a/EAy397c
2019-01-01 21:02 <djphil> Location isn't handled in the response ?
2019-01-01 21:03 <ssm2017> happy new year all and thank you for your implication :)
2019-01-01 21:03 <djphil> Hey ssm2017 :) You Too ;)
2019-01-01 21:09 <djphil> Plugh, i see on update request, the field "posglobal" isn't present ...
2019-01-01 21:10 <djphil> He is only present on INSERT INTO request ... not on UPDATE
2019-01-01 21:15 <Plugh> Thanks, but I don't think that's needed. 
2019-01-01 21:15 <djphil> How location is updated on your database then ?
2019-01-01 21:15 <djphil> i verify just now
2019-01-01 21:16 <djphil> and i see he isn't updated ...
2019-01-01 21:19 <djphil> i try by adding posglobal = :posglobal to the UPDATE request and now field is updated  ...
2019-01-01 21:20 <djphil> seams better ...
2019-01-01 21:20 <djphil> but remain still on "Loading ..."
2019-01-01 21:21 <Plugh> Updates are handled through picksupdate() in profile.php
2019-01-01 21:21 <Plugh> Um... picks_update().
2019-01-01 21:21 <Plugh> It gets passed a location.
2019-01-01 21:21 <djphil> yes is "picks_update"
2019-01-01 21:22 <djphil> i just adding "posglobal" => $posglobal to the array
2019-01-01 21:22 <djphil> and posglobal = :posglobal   to the request
2019-01-01 21:23 <djphil> and now i see the location update on userpicks table
2019-01-01 21:23 <Plugh> Hm... yea. It didn't include the location in the UPDATE sql query.
2019-01-01 21:23 <djphil> yeah ... i think is missing ;)
2019-01-01 21:24 <djphil> probably bug -1 :)
2019-01-01 21:24 <djphil> i try to find out why it remain on loading :s
2019-01-01 21:25 <Plugh> ok, thanks.
2019-01-01 21:26 <djphil> heh np, allways welcome to see profil working better :)
2019-01-01 21:26 <djphil> on the pickinforequest i see the position is returned -> posglobal
2019-01-01 21:27 <djphil> why isn't didplayed then :o
2019-01-01 21:27 <djphil> grrrrr
2019-01-01 21:28 <djphil> otherwise it's rather encouraging, all the rest of the profile works properly it seems to me :)
2019-01-01 21:33 <Plugh> Good to hear. 
2019-01-01 21:33 <djphil> Ho yeah! :)
2019-01-01 21:33 <Plugh> Thanks for noticing the pick wasn't updating the location. You do manage to find some long standing bugs.
2019-01-01 21:34 <djphil> i found another one
2019-01-01 21:34 <Plugh> I haven't pushed the change yet. I will hold off until I see if you found some other change.
2019-01-01 21:34 <djphil> not really a bug, but incoherence
2019-01-01 21:34 <Plugh> btw, does it work properly from an empty database? You had a problem with that before.
2019-01-01 21:34 <djphil> isn't in db, is on the php code
2019-01-01 21:35 <Plugh> issue #12 -> https://github.com/kcozens/OpenSimProfile/issues/12
2019-01-01 21:35 <djphil> but yes i can try with a new database ...
2019-01-01 21:35 <djphil> Ouch a old repport :o
2019-01-01 21:35 <Plugh> yea, about time to close some of these.
2019-01-01 21:36 <djphil> really a don't remember all these :s
2019-01-01 21:36 <Plugh> I'm no longer working on maintaining a grid so I will have more time for other things like these old reports.
2019-01-01 21:36 <djphil> i can understand, me too :p
2019-01-01 21:37 <Plugh> Some of those problems related to start up may have been hiccups due to switching from mysql calls to PDO.
2019-01-01 21:37 <djphil> yes sure
2019-01-01 21:38 <Plugh> There were some differences in the returns from some function calls that affected how it checked success or failure of a SQL statement.
2019-01-01 21:39 <djphil> yeah, i can imagine that
2019-01-01 21:41 <djphil> The "incoherence" i found is on line 290 and 291 ... these 2 line seams really no requiered because you ensure "desciption is never empty or null at line 345 / 346
2019-01-01 21:41 <djphil> that a double verification :)
2019-01-01 21:43 <djphil> but that does not solve the "loading ..." :p
2019-01-01 21:46 <Plugh> One is the request for the info and the other is the pick update. Hm... they used slightly different messages. I can fix that. I'm wondering if it should do anything with the description field or just leave it as the empty string.
2019-01-01 21:47 <Plugh> I would need to makes sure returning an empty string doesn't cause a problem on the C# side of things.
2019-01-01 21:48 <djphil> Well i think you need to verify only one time (when you insert or update only)
2019-01-01 21:48 <djphil> Not when you select ... (bc you have allready verified on update/insert)
2019-01-01 21:48 <Plugh> Right.
2019-01-01 21:49 <djphil> that minor ... but just see and report ;)
2019-01-01 21:50 <djphil> about empty, viewer display light-gray text if empty i think ...
2019-01-01 21:50 <Plugh> I'll remove the desc string test on the request as it will have already been set to something by picks_update() which does the insert.
2019-01-01 21:51 <djphil> i don't know the default text message is empty
2019-01-01 21:52 <djphil> we can customise :)
2019-01-01 21:52 <djphil> if*
2019-01-01 21:53 <djphil> t would be nice if this is the same message as the integrated opensim profile
2019-01-01 21:54 <Plugh> I've made the change but I won't commit it until I've done some more tests. If an empty desc doesn't cause a C# exception I think I should not set it to anything and just leave it empty.
2019-01-01 21:54 <djphil> ... :p
2019-01-01 21:55 <djphil> but yes, if no C# exception :)
2019-01-01 21:55 <djphil> you need some comment for issue 12 ?
2019-01-01 21:55 <djphil> or is ok
2019-01-01 21:56 <djphil> maybee i can continue to talk with you on IM
2019-01-01 21:58 <Plugh> Can we do it a bit later? I was going to go afk for a while. I was going to do some more work on an old computer board I built decades ago. Trying to see if I can get it working again.
2019-01-01 21:59 <djphil> sure, np
2019-01-01 21:59 <djphil> good luck! ^^
2019-01-01 21:59 <Plugh> Thanks. I think I have a dead crystal. I have no idea yet if the main computer chip is still operational or not. 
2019-01-01 22:00 <Plugh> Happy new year, djphil. ttyl.
2019-01-02 02:38 <Plugh> djphil: I'm back for a few minutes.
2019-01-02 02:39 <djphil> wb :)
2019-01-02 02:39 <djphil> bad new's ... i found another problem :s
2019-01-02 02:39 <djphil> lol
2019-01-02 02:51 <Plugh> :)
2019-01-02 02:52 <djphil> That make you happy :o
2019-01-02 02:52 <Plugh> I'm one wire connection and rewiring part of the crystal oscillator away from finding out how much of my old computer board still works.
2019-01-02 02:52 <Plugh> oh, ecstatic. :P
2019-01-02 02:52 <Plugh> hehe..
2019-01-02 02:52 <Plugh> Depends on what you found.
2019-01-02 02:52 <djphil> => classifields :s
2019-01-02 02:53 <Plugh> What about classifieds?
2019-01-02 02:53 <djphil> seams saved proprely but no displayed
2019-01-02 02:53 <djphil> i see only the name
2019-01-02 02:54 <djphil> no desc, no picks ... only the name
2019-01-02 02:54 <djphil> i read a little the c# but found nothing ... :s
2019-01-02 02:55 <djphil> I'm continuing the investigation right now
2019-01-02 02:57 <djphil> i don't really understand how the viewer can know all if all isn't send in the request response ...
2019-01-02 02:57 <djphil> only classfielduuid and name are returned ...
2019-01-02 02:59 <djphil> maybee the problem is there
2019-01-02 03:30 <Plugh> djphil: I'm sometimes puzzled by what you find. At times you have major problems with features that have been working for me. Other times you do find things that need fixing.
2019-01-02 03:32 <djphil> What can I say ... we are progressing
2019-01-02 03:32 <Plugh> Only classified and name are returned where?
2019-01-02 03:33 <djphil> when i reopen the profile windows
2019-01-02 03:33 <djphil> note i say "reopen"
2019-01-02 03:34 <djphil> bc when i create one without closing the windows, i see the name, desc, pic, etc ...
2019-01-02 03:34 <djphil> when i have done, i close the windows profile and reopen
2019-01-02 03:34 <Plugh> BTW, if you want to log the messages received by the PHP script just add the following line after the line where it sets $request_xml by calling file_get_contents -> file_put_contents('profile.log', "$request_xml\n\n", FILE_APPEND);
2019-01-02 03:35 <Plugh> The saved contents can be used to manually test the operation of the script.
2019-01-02 03:35 <djphil> i have that for each call :)
2019-01-02 03:35 <djphil> i have verified all i found nothing strange
2019-01-02 03:35 <Plugh> I just have one right after $request_xml is set.
2019-01-02 03:36 <Plugh> Which viewer are you using?
2019-01-02 03:37 <djphil> Firestorm 5.1.7.55786
2019-01-02 03:40 <djphil> For the problem of loading location for "picks", it may be a problem with Firestorm because I tested this with Singularity and I did not have this problem, I can see the rental correctly, it remains not blocked on "loading ..."
2019-01-02 03:41 <djphil> oops not "rental", arfff google translator
2019-01-02 03:41 <djphil> i mean "location"
2019-01-02 03:45 <Plugh> Remember that the search and profile module work together. The search module (query.php) has the routine to handle dir_classified_query() which returns the full set of data for a classlified ad.
2019-01-02 03:47 <djphil> yes but the profile i able to work without the serach module
2019-01-02 03:47 <djphil> the opposite is less true ^^
2019-01-02 03:48 <Plugh> I don't know who will respond to the classified ad search if you don't use the search module.
2019-01-02 03:49 <djphil> Probably not many things
2019-01-02 03:50 <Plugh> It won't be the profile module.
2019-01-02 03:52 <djphil> the inworld search have found my classifiekd recently created
2019-01-02 03:53 <Plugh> ok. No idea who is returning the results.
2019-01-02 03:53 <djphil> but the hop url don't work, place profile remain on loading ...
2019-01-02 03:54 <Plugh> I haven't included any HG support in either the search or profile modules.
2019-01-02 03:54 <djphil> my grid test isn't  HG
2019-01-02 03:55 <Plugh> You would have to check what was passed to the profile module when you used a hop URL then run the query manually to see what failed.
2019-01-02 03:56 <djphil> the hop url i mean is from search, not from profile
2019-01-02 03:56 <Plugh> I don't know how to introduce a hop URL in to the system using the normal viewer dialog boxes used for profiles.
2019-01-02 03:57 <Plugh> why would you enter a hop URL in to search?
2019-01-02 03:57 <djphil> nooo lol
2019-01-02 03:58 <djphil> here https://imgur.com/a/hd645Oi
2019-01-02 03:58 <djphil> i mean this hop url
2019-01-02 03:58 <Plugh> I don't understand what you were trying to say. How does a hop URL have anything to do with profile?
2019-01-02 03:58 <Plugh> or even search.
2019-01-02 03:59 <djphil> you see it on the screenshot ?
2019-01-02 03:59 <Plugh> Yes. Nothing to do with my modules. If that's what you somehow entered that is what you get back. If it works is up to the viewer.
2019-01-02 04:00 <djphil> True, nothing with your profile module
2019-01-02 04:02 <Plugh> Going back to the start of this conversation, the reason you only see the name for classifieds is because you aren't using the addon search module and don't have anything else configured for handling the query for the details of the classified ad.
2019-01-02 04:03 <djphil> i use the search addons
2019-01-02 04:03 <djphil> http://digigrids.no-ip.org/osmodules/ossearch/
2019-01-02 04:03 <djphil> on the same grid
2019-01-02 04:06 <Plugh> You said you weren't using the search module.
2019-01-02 04:07 <djphil> Poorly expressed or misunderstood ...
2019-01-02 04:08 <djphil> You can see here the Classifield with name only https://imgur.com/a/KLTosHa
2019-01-02 04:08 <djphil> I don't think that related to the search addons ... but a profile problem
2019-01-02 04:09 <djphil> i have wrong ?
2019-01-02 04:10 <Plugh> What happens if you click on the right arrows on the right-hand side?
2019-01-02 04:10 <djphil> hehe good question
2019-01-02 04:10 <djphil> the next windows remain 100 empty
2019-01-02 04:10 <djphil> i can add nothink
2019-01-02 04:10 <djphil> nothing is selectable
2019-01-02 04:11 <djphil> i can just delete
2019-01-02 04:12 <djphil> What is amazing is the other 3 that works well ... but it was created before I update my test grid and the profile
2019-01-02 04:13 <djphil> 2 day's already i try to find where is the problem ;s
2019-01-02 04:15 <djphil> I also tested with Alchemy ... with him, I did not even find where I could add a classifield or picks ^^
2019-01-02 04:16 <Plugh> In your Profile, go to the Classified tab then click the + near the bottom left corner.
2019-01-02 04:18 <Plugh> Clicking the => on the right side of the list of ads in ones profile gives the details of the ads.
2019-01-02 04:23 <djphil> well i see nothing to "add" https://imgur.com/a/XsCKhFZ
2019-01-02 04:36 <Plugh> That's a different dialog box. Look here -> https://imgur.com/a/KLTosHa
2019-01-02 04:36 <djphil> yes, one is FS and one is Alchemy
2019-01-02 04:37 <djphil> i say above i don't see "Add" button on Alchemy
2019-01-02 04:37 <Plugh> I don't know where the add feature may be located in Alchemy.
2019-01-02 04:37 <djphil> idem :)
2019-01-02 04:37 <Plugh> You may have to report that to the Alchemy viewer devs.
2019-01-02 04:37 <djphil> yes maybee
2019-01-02 04:38 <djphil> and repport too viewer max distance to 1024, not only 512 max ... ;)
2019-01-02 04:41 <djphil> for  now i try to fix the main problem ...
2019-01-02 04:42 <Plugh> ok
2019-01-02 04:44 <Plugh> bbl
2019-01-02 04:44 <djphil> ok
2019-01-02 16:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #6094 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-02 16:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6094: SUCCESS in 7 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6094/
2019-01-02 16:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: more on the hack (runprebuild)
2019-01-02 20:05 <paela> Hi [IRC] are dead in simulator ?
2019-01-03 01:16 <Tampa_> Guessing the latest commits and their "hacks" are related to animesh?
2019-01-03 09:41 <paela> Melanie you have said in OSCC new viewer use unreal engine is not free and grid need paid for that my question now OpenSim can run both viewers in futur or just the new one ? if only the new one is a big error no one wanna learn a new viewer ...
2019-01-03 09:52 <Ubit> animwhat ?
2019-01-03 11:07 <osmantis> Bug #8435:04 Navigation lag 10 seconds, Cross region lag 30 seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8435 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-03 11:44 <osmantis> Bug #8435:04 Navigation lag 10 seconds, Cross region lag 30 seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8435 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-03 12:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #6095 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-03 12:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6095: SUCCESS in 7 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6095/
2019-01-03 12:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reduce tp close child agent delay time
2019-01-03 14:21 <nebadon> paela, we are moving away from Unreal engine
2019-01-03 14:21 <nebadon> to Xenko
2019-01-03 14:22 <nebadon> Epic would not give us a totally straight answer on licensing, so we decided it was not worth playing guessing game
2019-01-03 14:22 <nebadon> Xenko is open source and MIT License
2019-01-03 14:25 <nebadon> also my understanding is grids will be able to run both viewers
2019-01-03 14:26 <nebadon> there of course will likely be some disparity between capabilities for some time though, and as of right now its quite far from being ready for use, no ETA on first alpha level testing at this stage
2019-01-03 15:37 <osmantis> Bug #8438:04 Yengine: scripts error when region is closing by scripts with particle systems. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8438 ): La siguiente incidencia ha sido RESUELTA.
2019-01-03 17:19 <misterblue> Ubit: Animesh: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Animesh_User_Guide
2019-01-03 17:19 <paela> Animesh :/
2019-01-03 17:22 <uriesk> Anime - sh
2019-01-03 18:12 <Ubit> anim.sh ? don't have that
2019-01-03 23:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #6096 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-03 23:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6096: SUCCESS in 5 min 40 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6096/
2019-01-03 23:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: allow landing under lower hight skyboxes
2019-01-04 00:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #6097 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-04 00:13 <Ubit> well lets see what this breaks
2019-01-04 00:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6097: SUCCESS in 5 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6097/
2019-01-04 00:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: some viewers now also seem to need time bf closing child regions on TP
2019-01-04 01:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #6098 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-04 01:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6098: SUCCESS in 5 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6098/
2019-01-04 01:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change cancel kill update flags
2019-01-04 01:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #6099 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-04 02:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6099: SUCCESS in 5 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6099/
2019-01-04 02:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: broadcast position updates after tp
2019-01-04 02:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #6100 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-04 02:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6100: SUCCESS in 5 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6100/
2019-01-04 02:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops, thats elsewhere
2019-01-04 03:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #6101 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-04 03:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6101: SUCCESS in 5 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6101/
2019-01-04 03:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix reprio trigger on tp
2019-01-04 06:45 <osmantis> Bug #8437:04 Remove Threat Levels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8437 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-04 06:47 <osmantis> Bug #8437:04 Remove Threat Levels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8437 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-04 06:54 <osmantis> Bug #8437:04 Remove Threat Levels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8437 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-04 07:03 <osmantis> Bug #8437:04 Remove Threat Levels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8437 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-04 07:10 <djphil> Bill, you remeber if "show in search" work on jopensim profiles ?
2019-01-04 07:15 <osmantis> Bug #8437:04 Remove Threat Levels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8437 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-04 07:24 <BillBlight> yes it works, but it keeps getting unset next time you edit your profile
2019-01-04 07:24 <djphil> Do you mean he does not stay checked?
2019-01-04 07:28 <BillBlight> correct
2019-01-04 07:28 <djphil> strange
2019-01-04 07:30 <djphil> you sure this option is a part of jopensim profile or is a part of jopensimsearch ?
2019-01-04 07:32 <djphil> i see any reference to this option on your repo @ OpenSim/Addons/jOpenSimProfile/jOpenSimProfile.cs
2019-01-04 07:33 <Plugh> The reference to show in search came up the other day. I saw no evidence of the change being passed to the add on OpenSimProfile module.
2019-01-04 07:33 <djphil> Ho you there, hello Plugh ;)
2019-01-04 07:33 <Plugh> Hey
2019-01-04 07:34 <djphil> i talk about jOpenSim Profile plugh, not the OpenSim Profile
2019-01-04 07:35 <djphil> In the hope maybe to find the necessary c# code :p
2019-01-04 07:35 <djphil> You don't recieve my IM yesterday Plugh?
2019-01-04 07:36 <Plugh> I haven't been paying attention to IRC today.
2019-01-04 07:36 <djphil> yeajh i see you semas very busy yesterday
2019-01-04 07:37 <djphil> When you have some time, ping me, i have very good news for you ;)
2019-01-04 07:40 <Plugh> ok. It will have to wait until tomorrow sometime. I'm on my way to bed shortly. Just wanted to check on something.
2019-01-04 07:41 <djphil> Sleep well ;)
2019-01-04 07:42 <osmantis> Bug #8437:04 Remove Threat Levels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8437 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-04 08:03 <BillBlight> djphil, it is actually called allowpublish
2019-01-04 08:03 <djphil> Hooo
2019-01-04 08:04 <djphil> Hehe good news :)
2019-01-04 08:05 <djphil> Tank's for this precious info :)
2019-01-04 08:05 <BillBlight> Pretty sure it is just a profile flag, that then gets stored in the jopensim profile table under the allowPublish field
2019-01-04 08:05 <BillBlight>     public enum ProfileFlags : uint
2019-01-04 08:05 <BillBlight>     {
2019-01-04 08:05 <BillBlight>         AllowPublish = 1,
2019-01-04 08:05 <BillBlight>         MaturePublish = 2,
2019-01-04 08:05 <BillBlight>         Identified = 4,
2019-01-04 08:05 <BillBlight>         Transacted = 8,
2019-01-04 08:05 <BillBlight>         Online = 16
2019-01-04 08:05 <BillBlight>     }
2019-01-04 08:05 <djphil> in databse, is userprofile => profileAllowPublish
2019-01-04 08:06 <BillBlight> oops did not mean to paste that
2019-01-04 08:06 <BillBlight> that is something else
2019-01-04 08:06 <BillBlight> LOL
2019-01-04 08:06 <BillBlight>                 UserProfile.UserFlags |= Properties.AllowPublish ? 1 : 0;
2019-01-04 08:07 <BillBlight> It is part of avatar properties, not specific to the profile I think
2019-01-04 08:08 <BillBlight> look in llClientView.cs
2019-01-04 08:08 <djphil> You mean userFlags on useraccount db ?
2019-01-04 08:09 <BillBlight> no no no .. It is a property that the viewer sends via a userproperty update
2019-01-04 08:09 <djphil> ha okiii
2019-01-04 08:09 <BillBlight> which is then in turn captured and written to the db
2019-01-04 22:42 <Plugh> Hey, djphil
2019-01-04 22:44 <djphil> Heu Plugh, just a moment please, i reply to FS dev's on Jira about the "Loading ..."
2019-01-04 23:18 <djphil> OK, ready!
2019-01-04 23:20 <Plugh> Oh, sure. You are ready about 10 minutes before I'll be heading off for my dinner. :)
2019-01-04 23:20 <djphil> lol
2019-01-04 23:22 <djphil> Go eat first because after you will have the appetite cut because of me :p
2019-01-05 07:49 <osmantis> Bug #8437:04 Remove Threat Levels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8437 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-05 09:14 <osmantis> Bug #8435:04 Navigation lag 10 seconds, Cross region lag 30 seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8435 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-05 16:24 <Plugh> Nuts. Something has changed in libOMV. It throws errors when I try to build it.
2019-01-05 16:33 <Plugh> Turns out it is a case sensitivity related problem. 
2019-01-05 16:48 <Plugh> msbuild looks for Microsoft.CSharp.targets but libOMV looks for Microsoft.CSHARP.Targets
2019-01-05 16:48 <Plugh> um... msbuild provides, not looks for
2019-01-05 17:32 <Ubit> hmm not sure i did fix that on out libomv prebuild
2019-01-05 17:32 <Ubit> our
2019-01-05 17:32 <Ubit> i did fix it to build locally
2019-01-05 17:33 <Ubit> did it for opensim, it was one the issues on migration to msbuild
2019-01-05 17:34 <Ubit> err why did you comp libomv? and what version ??
2019-01-05 17:51 <Plugh> I want to run WinGridProxy so I tried to compile latest libOMV.
2019-01-05 17:52 <Plugh> I need to check where I got msbuild. I may have to get a newer version. libOMV wants .NET 4.5 and the msbuild I have installed seems out of date as it is throwing other errors during compile.
2019-01-05 17:53 <Plugh> I'm getting 'MethodImplOptions' does not contain a definition for 'AggressiveInlining'. That definition only exists as of .NET 4.5
2019-01-05 17:53 <Ubit> well 4.6 is the target now
2019-01-05 17:54 <Ubit> i did not updated prebuild.xml.. just did it inside vs
2019-01-05 17:58 <Ubit> but what version did you clone?
2019-01-05 18:00 <Plugh> The one in bitbucket.org/opensimulator/libopenmetaverse.git
2019-01-05 18:00 <Ubit> ok
2019-01-05 18:01 <Plugh> I also have the source for the one from github on my machine.
2019-01-05 19:02 <Ubit> ok pushed some changes that should now allow prebuid to work for vs2017
2019-01-05 19:02 <Ubit> not that clean.. but should be ok for nwo
2019-01-05 19:02 <Ubit> now
2019-01-05 19:23 <Plugh> Thanks. I was able to compile the code.
2019-01-05 19:23 <Ubit> uff confusing this mem usage on win
2019-01-05 19:23 <Ubit> Process memory:      Physical 69 MB      Paged 140 MB
2019-01-05 19:23 <Ubit> and easy goes to more them 200MB
2019-01-05 19:24 <Ubit> guess gc in idle for long time now does kill a lot 
2019-01-05 19:24 <Ubit> hope not 2 much :)
2019-01-05 19:26 <Plugh> Found a problem with SendAvatarProperties(). It is missing two parameters.
2019-01-05 19:33 <osmantis> Bug #8108:04 Link number changes after reboot region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8108 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-05 20:01 <osmantis> Bug #8108:04 Link number changes after reboot region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8108 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-05 20:02 <Ubit> hmm ??
2019-01-05 20:05 <Ubit> i see them all
2019-01-05 20:05 <Ubit> what do you think its missing ?
2019-01-05 20:12 <osmantis> Bug #8108:04 Link number changes after reboot region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8108 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-05 20:19 <Plugh> AllowPublish and MaturePublish
2019-01-05 20:20 <Ubit> not part of AvatarPropertiesReplyPacket
2019-01-05 20:21 <Ubit> and are flags
2019-01-05 20:24 <Plugh> WinGridProxy shows the two items are sent by the viewer to the grid code as part of avatarpropertiesupdate.
2019-01-05 20:24 <Ubit> (uint)(0 & 0xff)
2019-01-05 20:24 <Ubit> flags that we do no set :)
2019-01-05 20:25 <Ubit> well we do depending on profiles modules
2019-01-05 20:25 <BillBlight> we do actually send them serProfile.UserFlags |= Properties.AllowPublish ? 1 : 0;
2019-01-05 20:25 <Ubit> yeap, on some profile modules
2019-01-05 20:26 <BillBlight> as part of UpdateAvatarProperties handlerUpdateAvatarProperties = OnUpdateAvatarProperties;
2019-01-05 20:26 <BillBlight> in llclientview I think
2019-01-05 20:26 <Ubit> but thats not a send..() issue
2019-01-05 20:34 <Ubit> hmm does the new libomv prebuild work?
2019-01-05 20:38 <osmantis> Bug #8435:04 Navigation lag 10 seconds, Cross region lag 30 seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8435 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-05 20:46 <BillBlight>     27 Warning(s)
2019-01-05 20:46 <BillBlight>     0 Error(s)
2019-01-05 21:51 <Ubit> hmm 27 warnings what ?
2019-01-05 21:52 <Ubit> libovm ?
2019-01-05 23:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #6102 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-05 23:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6102: SUCCESS in 7 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6102/
2019-01-05 23:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor cosmetics
2019-01-05 23:54 <djphil> Mature Publish corresponds to what parameter of the viewer?
2019-01-06 00:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #6103 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-06 00:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6103: SUCCESS in 5 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6103/
2019-01-06 00:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change mapandarray array update time
2019-01-06 01:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #6104 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-06 01:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6104: SUCCESS in 5 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6104/
2019-01-06 01:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: similar to sps array in scenegraph
2019-01-06 01:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #6105 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-06 01:45 <Plugh> djphil: You can't set MaturePublish via the viewer, AFAIK but it is passed by the viewer to the grid code.
2019-01-06 01:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6105: SUCCESS in 5 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6105/
2019-01-06 01:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change scenegraph locking
2019-01-06 01:50 <djphil> And what is it?
2019-01-06 02:03 <Plugh> A flag to indicate there is mature content in ones profile.
2019-01-06 02:05 <djphil> But if it is not configurable with the viewer, how is it determined? How to determine that this profile contains "mature" content. Is it verified by human moderators?
2019-01-06 02:06 <djphil> Where it comes from the parameters of the region / parcel ...
2019-01-06 02:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #6106 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-06 02:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6106: SUCCESS in 5 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6106/
2019-01-06 02:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let DoubleDictionary... also have a values array
2019-01-06 02:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #6107 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-06 02:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6107: SUCCESS in 5 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6107/
2019-01-06 02:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change its foreach
2019-01-06 02:50 <Ubit> hmm guinea pigs? is this working?
2019-01-06 02:50 <Ubit> :p
2019-01-06 05:45 <Murf> hi All
2019-01-06 05:46 <Murf> It's been awhile since I asked this question so I was wondering if any thought has been given to rewriting Opensim for microservices architecture?
2019-01-06 11:52 <Ubit> why such a waste of resources?
2019-01-06 11:52 <Ubit> microservices are  PIiii
2019-01-06 11:53 <Ubit> well and part of robust can be config as such anyways
2019-01-06 11:53 <djphil> He left 3 days ago (lol)
2019-01-06 11:54 <Ubit> so funny how some "clever" ppl writes something and all dive in as the great thing ever
2019-01-06 11:54 <Ubit> xml cames to mind...
2019-01-06 11:54 <Ubit> well you got the answer :)
2019-01-06 11:55 <Ubit> microservices + containers...
2019-01-06 11:55 <Ubit> most cases are just pure BS
2019-01-06 11:56 <Ubit> well intel is happy with that.. sells more high end Xeons 
2019-01-06 11:58 <Ubit> well lbsa is update with master.. let me see if still there ;)
2019-01-06 12:00 <Ubit> dammm dmmm opensim still can't use fingers to count active prims grrr
2019-01-06 12:01 <djphil> why we do not have the possibility to database groups V2 separately, on a different database ?
2019-01-06 12:01 <djphil> to install*
2019-01-06 12:01 <Ubit> only groups v2 have that option?
2019-01-06 12:02 <djphil> have ...  heuuuu don't have lol
2019-01-06 12:02 <djphil> Profile Built-In have
2019-01-06 12:02 <Ubit> yeap a few things have
2019-01-06 12:02 <Ubit> for better flexibility
2019-01-06 12:03 <Ubit> you can lose all grid data, but keep groups :p
2019-01-06 12:03 <Ubit> or vice versa :)
2019-01-06 12:04 <djphil> Well we were always advised to install this separately but since we have v2 groups it is no longer possible ...
2019-01-06 18:34 <osmantis> Bug #8441:04 as #8438: Yengine: scripts error when region is closing by scripts with particle systems or timers. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8441 ): La siguiente incidencia ha sido ENVIADA.
2019-01-06 20:12 <Ubit> oops
2019-01-06 20:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #6108 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-06 20:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6108: FAILURE in 1 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6108/
2019-01-06 20:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: more changes on scenegraph etc
2019-01-06 20:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #6109 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6107 17 hr ago)
2019-01-06 20:22 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-01-06 20:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6109: FIXED in 6 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6109/
2019-01-06 20:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file
2019-01-06 22:58 <osmantis> Bug #8441:04 as #8438: Yengine: scripts error when region is closing by scripts with particle systems or timers. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8441 ): La siguiente incidencia ha sido ACTUALIZADA.
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2019-01-07 12:03 <osmantis> Bug #8443:04 Region Frozen stops working silently (Yengine) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8443 ): La siguiente incidencia ha sido ENVIADA.
2019-01-07 12:56 <osmantis> Bug #8443:04 Region Frozen stops working silently (Yengine) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8443 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-07 15:57 <osmantis> Bug #8443:04 Region Frozen stops working silently (Yengine) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8443 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2019-01-07 15:57 <osmantis> Bug #8443:04 Region Frozen stops working silently (Yengine) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8443 ): La siguiente incidencia ha sido ACTUALIZADA.
2019-01-07 16:15 <osmantis> Bug #8444:04 When first started, Robust prompts for Default User. Regions prompt for Test User 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8444 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-01-07 17:23 <osmantis> Bug #8444:04 When first started, Robust prompts for Default User. Regions prompt for Test User 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8444 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-07 17:37 <osmantis> Bug #8443:04 Region Frozen stops working silently (Yengine) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8443 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2019-01-07 17:44 <osmantis> Bug #8443:04 Region Frozen stops working silently (Yengine) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8443 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-07 17:45 <osmantis> Bug #8443:04 Region Frozen stops working silently (Yengine) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8443 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-07 23:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #6110 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-01-08 00:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6110: SUCCESS in 6 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6110/
2019-01-08 00:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics: terrain compressor is for 16m x 16m patchs only
2019-01-08 03:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #6111 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-08 03:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6111: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6111/
2019-01-08 03:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv
2019-01-08 08:01 <bimbam2103> Good morning.. Anyone there ?
2019-01-08 14:07 <osmantis> Bug #8443:04 Region Frozen stops working silently (Yengine) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8443 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2019-01-08 18:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #6112 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-08 18:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6112: SUCCESS in 6 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6112/
2019-01-08 18:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  a few more changes to terraincompressor and libomv
2019-01-08 18:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #6113 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-08 18:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6113: SUCCESS in 5 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6113/
2019-01-08 18:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: give a bit more time bf closing child agents
2019-01-08 19:02 <Ubit> plugh... look to clock, any bells ?
2019-01-08 19:02 <Ubit> ooops :)
2019-01-08 22:19 <osmantis> Bug #8443:04 Region Frozen stops working silently (Yengine) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8443 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2019-01-08 22:20 <osmantis> Bug #8443:04 Region Frozen stops working silently (Yengine) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8443 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-08 23:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #6114 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-08 23:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6114: SUCCESS in 6 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6114/
2019-01-08 23:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix irc protocol
2019-01-09 08:49 <osmantis> Bug #8444:04 When first started, Robust prompts for Default User. Regions prompt for Test User 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8444 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-09 12:15 <osmantis> Bug #8441:04 as #8438: Yengine: scripts error when region is closing by scripts with particle systems or timers. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8441 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2019-01-09 13:41 <osmantis> Bug #8444:04 When first started, Robust prompts for Default User. Regions prompt for Test User 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8444 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-09 13:50 <osmantis> Bug #8444:04 When first started, Robust prompts for Default User. Regions prompt for Test User 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8444 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-09 14:03 <osmantis> Bug #8445:04 Particle systems are not correct in master 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8445 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-01-09 14:05 <BillBlight> hmmm to me , with PSYS_SRC_PATTERN_EXPLODE that last mantis, the particles are doing what they should not, and were not before ...
2019-01-09 14:06 <BillBlight> should NOW
2019-01-09 14:06 <Ubit> translate plz
2019-01-09 14:06 <Ubit> lol
2019-01-09 14:07 <BillBlight> PSYS_SRC_PATTERN_EXPLODE makes partcles go in all directions at once, if you don't apply specific acceleration, and the test particles presented have no directional acceleration
2019-01-09 14:08 <Ubit> hmm no idea what change i made can cause that dif
2019-01-09 14:08 <BillBlight> (don't think you did)
2019-01-09 14:08 <Ubit> related to that i only changed fixefloatTobytes
2019-01-09 14:08 <Ubit> or something
2019-01-09 14:10 <Ubit> but yeap the incorrect one does mk more sense as explode pattern
2019-01-09 14:16 <BillBlight> but I guess, incorrect is the way it was/is supposed to be
2019-01-09 14:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #6115 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-09 14:52 <osmantis> Bug #8445:04 Particle systems are not correct in master 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8445 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-09 14:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6115: SUCCESS in 7 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6115/
2019-01-09 14:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8445: fix PackFixed(...)
2019-01-09 15:05 <osmantis> Bug #8443:04 Region Frozen stops working silently (Yengine) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8443 ): La siguiente incidencia ha sido RESUELTA.
2019-01-09 15:48 <osmantis> Bug #8444:04 When first started, Robust prompts for Default User. Regions prompt for Test User 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8444 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-09 15:54 <osmantis> Bug #8444:04 When first started, Robust prompts for Default User. Regions prompt for Test User 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8444 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-09 15:57 <osmantis> Bug #8444:04 When first started, Robust prompts for Default User. Regions prompt for Test User 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8444 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-09 16:01 <osmantis> Bug #8444:04 When first started, Robust prompts for Default User. Regions prompt for Test User 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8444 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-09 16:04 <osmantis> Bug #8444:04 When first started, Robust prompts for Default User. Regions prompt for Test User 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8444 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-01-10 11:14 <osmantis> Bug #8441:04 as #8438: Yengine: scripts error when region is closing by scripts with particle systems or timers. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8441 ): La siguiente incidencia ha sido RESUELTA.
2019-01-10 18:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #6116 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-10 18:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6116: FAILURE in 1 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6116/
2019-01-10 18:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libovm
2019-01-10 18:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #6117 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6115 1 day 3 hr ago)
2019-01-10 18:30 <Ubit> dmam flipped my car again
2019-01-10 18:30 <Ubit> ( opensim test car )
2019-01-10 18:32 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-01-10 18:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6117: FIXED in 5 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6117/
2019-01-10 18:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: file that depends on libomv changes
2019-01-10 18:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #6118 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-01-10 18:56 <Ubit> damm my guinnea pigs give no feedback :P
2019-01-10 18:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6118: SUCCESS in 5 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6118/
2019-01-10 18:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor direct use of libomv changes
2019-01-10 18:58 <Ubit> hmm would like to see impact of this on arm
2019-01-10 18:59 <Ubit> or mips, if any uses mips
2019-01-10 21:08 <osmantis> Bug #8446:04 Feature Request:  Subroutines "droppable" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8446 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-01-10 21:15 <osmantis> Bug #8447:04 Feature Request:  llDialog() to allow empty [] list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8447 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-01-10 21:31 <BillBlight> annnnn Snoots is back
2019-01-10 21:38 <nebadon> is that bad?
2019-01-10 21:38 <Ubit> depends :)
2019-01-10 21:38 <Ubit> but you know Bill ( or getting to know )
2019-01-10 21:38 <Ubit> :)
2019-01-10 21:40 <BillBlight> HAHA
2019-01-10 21:40 <BillBlight> 
ACTION sets Mantis to ignore for a whle

2019-01-10 21:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #6119 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-10 21:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6119: SUCCESS in 5 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6119/
2019-01-10 21:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8447: empty buttons list in llDialog now shows Ok button
2019-01-10 21:55 <osmantis> Bug #8447:04 Feature Request:  llDialog() to allow empty [] list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8447 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-10 21:56 <Ubit> well assuming libomv and related changes have no bugs :p
2019-01-10 21:56 <Ubit> ( some i had did make nice smoke )
2019-01-10 21:57 <Ubit> 
ACTION looks to smoking Bill

2019-01-10 21:57 <Ubit> well im actually smoking..  uff details
2019-01-10 22:02 <BillBlight> ugg
2019-01-10 22:02 <BillBlight> :P
2019-01-10 22:02 <Ubit> ugg whaty ?
2019-01-10 22:02 <BillBlight> just ugg
2019-01-10 22:02 <BillBlight> LOL
2019-01-10 22:02 <BillBlight> it's an ugg kind of day
2019-01-10 22:03 <Ubit> good its not a ugggg one
2019-01-10 22:04 <Ubit> hmm waht was my last test prim in middle of that dozen
2019-01-10 22:47 <osmantis> Bug #8447:04 Feature Request:  llDialog() to allow empty [] list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8447 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-10 22:50 <osmantis> Bug #8447:04 Feature Request:  llDialog() to allow empty [] list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8447 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-10 23:37 <osmantis> Bug #8447:04 Feature Request:  llDialog() to allow empty [] list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8447 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-10 23:41 <osmantis> Bug #8447:04 Feature Request:  llDialog() to allow empty [] list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8447 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-11 04:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #6120 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-11 04:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6120: SUCCESS in 6 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6120/
2019-01-11 04:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv
2019-01-11 09:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #6121 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-11 09:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6121: SUCCESS in 6 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6121/
2019-01-11 09:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv (fix bug on last)
2019-01-11 10:19 <osmantis> Bug #8448:04 Materials and textures now broken in Master 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8448 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-11 11:20 <osmantis> Bug #8448:04 Materials and textures now broken in Master 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8448 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-11 11:42 <osmantis> Bug #8448:04 Materials and textures now broken in Master 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8448 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-11 12:16 <osmantis> Bug #8448:04 Materials and textures now broken in Master 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8448 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-11 12:33 <osmantis> Bug #8448:04 Materials and textures now broken in Master 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8448 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-11 13:00 <osmantis> Bug #8448:04 Materials and textures now broken in Master 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8448 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-11 13:44 <osmantis> Bug #8448:04 Materials and textures now broken in Master 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8448 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-11 14:10 <osmantis> Bug #8447:04 Feature Request:  llDialog() to allow empty [] list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8447 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-11 14:14 <osmantis> Bug #8447:04 Feature Request:  llDialog() to allow empty [] list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8447 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-11 14:50 <osmantis> Bug #8448:04 Materials and textures now broken in Master 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8448 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-11 15:48 <osmantis> Bug #8447:04 Feature Request:  llDialog() to allow empty [] list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8447 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-11 16:14 <osmantis> Bug #8448:04 Materials and textures now broken in Master 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8448 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-11 16:24 <osmantis> Bug #8444:04 When first started, Robust prompts for Default User. Regions prompt for Test User 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8444 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-11 16:32 <osmantis> Bug #8448:04 Materials and textures now broken in Master 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8448 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-11 17:18 <Ubit> gezzz i knooooow :p
2019-01-11 17:26 <osmantis> Bug #8444:04 When first started, Robust prompts for Default User. Regions prompt for Test User 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8444 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-11 17:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #6122 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-11 17:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6122: SUCCESS in 5 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6122/
2019-01-11 17:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8448: remove silly typos from libomv
2019-01-11 17:38 <osmantis> Bug #8448:04 Materials and textures now broken in Master 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8448 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-11 17:57 <osmantis> Bug #8447:04 Feature Request:  llDialog() to allow empty [] list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8447 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-11 18:00 <osmantis> Bug #8447:04 Feature Request:  llDialog() to allow empty [] list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8447 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-01-11 21:22 <osmantis> Bug #8447:04 Feature Request:  llDialog() to allow empty [] list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8447 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-11 21:52 <osmantis> Bug #8447:04 Feature Request:  llDialog() to allow empty [] list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8447 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-11 21:57 <osmantis> Bug #8447:04 Feature Request:  llDialog() to allow empty [] list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8447 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-11 22:16 <osmantis> Bug #8447:04 Feature Request:  llDialog() to allow empty [] list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8447 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-11 22:29 <osmantis> Bug #8447:04 Feature Request:  llDialog() to allow empty [] list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8447 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-12 06:20 <osmantis> Bug #8448:04 Materials and textures now broken in Master 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8448 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-12 08:13 <Tampa_> Anyone experiencing issues with Vivox?
2019-01-12 08:28 <osmantis> Bug #8449:04 HG fails without error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8449 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-01-12 09:01 <Aramis^> Tampa someone else asked earlier:  <Aramis^> hermesneto I received an email on jan 4 from vivox saying they were moving that domain http://www.osp.vivox.com/ to a different data center, and it involved a dns change, will probably take a day or so to propigate, maybe try a differnt dns?
2019-01-12 09:39 <djphil> A different dns ... yes but which ??? I have also had problems with Vivox for a few days and others have reported identical issues.
2019-01-12 10:19 <Tampa_> Seems like they have not moved the server yet, no dns I have returns anything for osp.vivox.com
2019-01-12 10:26 <djphil> and you recieve a email ? i just check my mailbox and found nothing from Vivox
2019-01-12 10:27 <BillBlight> Hi Folks,
2019-01-12 10:27 <BillBlight> We are writing to you since, during the past 2 years, you have registered to utilize Vivox's Free Virtual World Voice Service, and to inform you that over the coming days, we will be migrating this service (www.osp.vivox.com) from one data center to another.  This will involve a DNS address change and there should be no changes required on your part.  We do expect Vivox services to be 
2019-01-12 10:27 <BillBlight> sporadically unavailable during this transition.
2019-01-12 10:27 <BillBlight> Best Regards,
2019-01-12 10:27 <BillBlight> Vivox Operations
2019-01-12 10:28 <djphil> Ha well here you go :)
2019-01-12 12:24 <Tampa_> Funny how neither I nor anyone I know received that mail, then again not really surprised either knowing their service quality lately
2019-01-12 12:25 <Tampa_> Guess can't really say anything for free stuff huh
2019-01-12 14:53 <osmantis> Bug #8447:04 Feature Request:  llDialog() to allow empty [] list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8447 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-12 15:00 <djphil> What is it for llDialog without buttons ... why not use llTextBox instead ... :o
2019-01-12 15:01 <Ubit> ask ll
2019-01-12 15:02 <Ubit> it does let you get a ok message back
2019-01-12 15:02 <djphil> Interessing lol
2019-01-12 15:02 <djphil> text box get "ok" message too
2019-01-12 15:02 <Ubit> just saving adding "ok" on scripts
2019-01-12 15:02 <djphil> a empty list have no sens ...
2019-01-12 15:02 <Ubit> well its like spec, so. made it
2019-01-12 15:28 <osmantis> Bug #8447:04 Feature Request:  llDialog() to allow empty [] list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8447 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-12 15:51 <BillBlight> Yeah I was thinking the same thing, why was lldialog used and not llTextBox, these scripts must be ancient, back before llTextBox and that was a long time ago
2019-01-12 15:56 <Ubit> guess ll did add that "" option 
2019-01-12 15:56 <Ubit> bc we did not had it
2019-01-12 15:56 <Ubit> "" == "Ok"
2019-01-12 15:57 <djphil> 
ACTION llSay(0, "");

2019-01-12 15:57 <BillBlight> still seems kind of silly to me, to use llDialog, without any buttons
2019-01-12 15:57 <Ubit> its not without is with Ok
2019-01-12 15:58 <Ubit> well no idea, its the spec, was needed, i made it
2019-01-12 15:58 <BillBlight> well, yes, but why would you want to use a lldialog, instead of llTextBox when you don't plan on having any buttons in the first place?
2019-01-12 15:58 <BillBlight> so silly
2019-01-12 16:00 <Ubit> played with fix to 8448 ?
2019-01-12 16:01 <djphil> no
2019-01-12 16:01 <Ubit> that te code, still don't like it
2019-01-12 16:01 <Ubit> and we do have a mess handling that grr
2019-01-12 21:10 <osmantis> Bug #8447:04 Feature Request:  llDialog() to allow empty [] list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8447 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-12 22:27 <osmantis> Bug #8447:04 Feature Request:  llDialog() to allow empty [] list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8447 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-12 22:46 <paela> thanks for your reply in Jira FS Liru, a constructive answer finally that help :)
2019-01-12 23:12 <Ubit> well and on that groups issue, master mb diferent now, not sure
2019-01-12 23:13 <Ubit> i do remember having a fight with large lists somewhere
2019-01-12 23:13 <Ubit> but that fs dev.. just ignore.. lost case
2019-01-12 23:14 <Ubit> i was told that another one would look and answer to opensim jira issues
2019-01-12 23:14 <Ubit> guess forgotten
2019-01-12 23:14 <Ubit> hmmm let me see if my skype works :p
2019-01-12 23:33 <paela> you speak alone Ubit ? :D
2019-01-12 23:34 <Ubit> not speaking, typing
2019-01-13 00:13 <Ubit> jesica did update that jira issue
2019-01-13 00:17 <BillBlight> "I don't see a reason we should figure out what has to be changed to get things working on OpenSim" wow and people say Opensim Devs are hard to work with when Ansariel makes statements like that, it does appear to be that FS is being the one that is hard to work with ... 
2019-01-13 00:17 <Ubit> it is so good win refused to do shutdown with no options :)
2019-01-13 00:18 <Ubit> ignore
2019-01-13 00:18 <Ubit> ignore ansa is official FS answer :)
2019-01-13 00:19 <Ubit> if(we.AreOpensim && Fs.issue.Contains("ansariel")) ignore();
2019-01-13 01:49 <Ubit> errr now i noticed.. "people say Opensim Devs are hard to work with" what do you mean? no one says that!!
2019-01-13 01:50 <misterblue> 'hard' is the new slang term for 'cool'
2019-01-13 01:50 <Ubit> ahh must be
2019-01-13 01:50 <Bill_Blight> LMAO
2019-01-13 01:51 <misterblue> is there still a developers meeting on OSGrid on Tuesday? Haven't been in a while...
2019-01-13 01:51 <Bill_Blight> yep
2019-01-13 01:51 <Bill_Blight> Dev Outreach is the region name
2019-01-13 01:52 <Ubit> err not meeting time now is it?
2019-01-13 01:52 <Ubit> :)
2019-01-13 01:52 <Bill_Blight> LOL
2019-01-13 01:52 <Bill_Blight> no Ubit, not time yet
2019-01-13 01:52 <Ubit> ty
2019-01-13 01:52 <Bill_Blight> still a couple of days, or so
2019-01-13 01:52 <misterblue> when is it?
2019-01-13 01:52 <Bill_Blight> Tuesday, 11am pst
2019-01-13 01:53 <misterblue> I can't be there this week but I'll put it on my calendr
2019-01-13 01:53 <Bill_Blight> Ya gotta keep an eye on the guy that hosts the region for it, he's kind of shady ....
2019-01-13 01:54 <Ubit> indeed he is
2019-01-13 01:54 <Bill_Blight> yep, for sure
2019-01-13 01:54 <Ubit> and a lazy guinea pig
2019-01-13 01:54 <Bill_Blight> pffft
2019-01-13 01:54 <Bill_Blight> yeah right
2019-01-13 01:55 <Ubit> :)
2019-01-13 01:55 <Ubit> textures work again or not?
2019-01-13 01:56 <Ubit> ( well all osg users are updating to that now ) 
2019-01-13 01:56 <Bill_Blight> working fine on both my grids
2019-01-13 01:56 <Ubit> cool, i have more changes on libomv on that :)
2019-01-13 01:57 <Bill_Blight> sooooo prepare for Ubrokeit
2019-01-13 01:57 <Ubit> uff 8448.. 3 typos on same file :)
2019-01-13 01:58 <Ubit>  > where should be >=  0x20000 and not 0x200000 don't remember the other :)
2019-01-13 01:58 <Ubit> ahhh saving a byte as short :p
2019-01-13 01:59 <Ubit> viewer did not smoke 
2019-01-13 01:59 <Plugh> Isn't there a pre-defined constant you could use?
2019-01-13 02:00 <Ubit> so i could mk the typo on it? :)
2019-01-13 02:00 <Plugh> :)
2019-01-13 02:01 <Ubit> the byte was just a letter..  saved(def) and not (defg)
2019-01-13 02:05 <Ubit> and i made chages to safe a few ns
2019-01-13 02:05 <Ubit> ended up using a lot more grrr
2019-01-13 15:46 <osmantis> Bug #8451:04 Meshes are randomly failing to load 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8451 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-01-13 16:43 <osmantis> Bug #8449:04 HG fails without error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8449 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-13 16:43 <osmantis> Bug #8449:04 HG fails without error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8449 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-01-13 19:52 <Aramis^> just received an email update from Vivox:  Hello,
2019-01-13 19:52 <Aramis^> At this time, I do not have an update on the timing for the move completion. Please note that this move involves servers for all voice communication and not just our OpenSim servers. I will update you when voice should be restored.
2019-01-13 19:52 <Aramis^> Best,
2019-01-13 19:52 <Aramis^> Dylan Douglas
2019-01-13 19:52 <Aramis^> Vivox Support
2019-01-13 19:55 <Aramis^> don't know why everyone isn't getting emails, maybe because I only recently signed up with them, or maybe because my email starts with A? I don't know
2019-01-13 19:57 <BillBlight> I have voice back
2019-01-13 19:57 <BillBlight> Most likely you have old cached DNS
2019-01-13 19:58 <BillBlight> you should get ..
2019-01-13 19:58 <BillBlight> # ping www.osp.vivox.com
2019-01-13 19:58 <BillBlight> PING www.osp.vivox.com (74.201.106.60) 56(84) bytes of data
2019-01-13 19:59 <BillBlight> that is the new address
2019-01-13 20:10 <BillBlight> As to the emails, the first one did say "Since you signed up in the last two years", so maybe they did not start the email list till after then, and have not gone back an added everyone in ..
2019-01-13 20:52 <Aramis^> right. I'm not actually using it, just signed up a few months ago in case they might decide to stop it
2019-01-14 00:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #6123 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-14 00:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6123: FAILURE in 4 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6123/
2019-01-14 00:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few more changes to texturesentry handling on libomv and os
2019-01-14 10:31 <osmantis> Bug #8451:04 Meshes are randomly failing to load 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8451 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-14 11:02 <osmantis> Bug #8450:04 Viewer crash if TP takes longer than a couple seconds to complete 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8450 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-14 11:58 <osmantis> Bug #8450:04 Viewer crash if TP takes longer than a couple seconds to complete 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8450 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-14 13:30 <osmantis> Bug #8371:04 Texture Animate Script Stops Working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8371 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-14 13:57 <osmantis> Bug #8450:04 Viewer crash if TP takes longer than a couple seconds to complete 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8450 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-14 14:24 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-14 14:26 <osmantis> Bug #8451:04 Meshes are randomly failing to load 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8451 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-14 14:39 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-14 14:40 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-14 14:43 <osmantis> Bug #8451:04 Meshes are randomly failing to load 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8451 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-14 14:46 <osmantis> Bug #8450:04 Viewer crash if TP takes longer than a couple seconds to complete 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8450 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-14 15:08 <BillBlight> LOL, I can't replicate any of those errors, in those Mantis'  ... hmmm  strange
2019-01-14 15:08 <Ubit> yeap no idea
2019-01-14 15:08 <Ubit> i did made my own comple for osg
2019-01-14 15:08 <Ubit> lets see..
2019-01-14 17:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #6124 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6122 3 days 0 hr ago)
2019-01-14 17:28 <Ubit> er was a fail ??
2019-01-14 17:29 <Ubit> damm missed that
2019-01-14 17:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6124: STILL FAILING in 4 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6124/
2019-01-14 17:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: test a change to TP protocol
2019-01-14 17:36 <AliciaRaven> whats broken! :P
2019-01-14 17:37 <AliciaRaven> 
ACTION throws a roll of sticky tape to Ubit

2019-01-14 17:41 <Ubit> :)
2019-01-14 17:41 <Ubit> well several things now lol
2019-01-14 17:44 <BillBlight> we don't call him Ubrokeit for nothing ..
2019-01-14 17:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #6125 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #6122 3 days 0 hr ago)
2019-01-14 18:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6125: STILL FAILING in 5 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6125/
2019-01-14 18:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix te media
2019-01-14 18:02 <Ubit> ok thats other issue now
2019-01-14 18:02 <BillBlight> uhhh oh
2019-01-14 18:04 <AliciaRaven> guess sticky tape wont cut it, try epoxy instead lol
2019-01-14 18:04 <Ubit> im going to kick u 2 :p
2019-01-14 18:06 <BillBlight> 
ACTION breaks out the torch, we gonna weld that sucker

2019-01-14 18:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #6126 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #6122 3 days 1 hr ago)
2019-01-14 18:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6126: STILL FAILING in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6126/
2019-01-14 18:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: more on TP
2019-01-14 18:50 <misterblue> those git commit descriptions don't impart any information :-(
2019-01-14 18:51 <Ubit> im testing :p
2019-01-14 18:51 <Ubit> teswting changing the region that does close child agents
2019-01-14 18:51 <BillBlight> I always look at the commit diff anyway
2019-01-14 18:51 <Ubit> from sender to receiver
2019-01-14 18:52 <Ubit> using the old timeout just does not work
2019-01-14 18:53 <Ubit> and seems we need to delay that even more on recent viewers
2019-01-14 18:53 <Ubit> dammm
2019-01-14 18:54 <misterblue> I wonder why Firestorm keeps trying to talk to 10.0.75.1 when I'm connecting to localhost?
2019-01-14 18:54 <Ubit> 10 is a intranet also no ?
2019-01-14 18:55 <misterblue> that's what I think also... there are lots of CAP and texture fetch errors to that address ('no gateway', ...)
2019-01-14 18:55 <misterblue> just oddness
2019-01-14 18:56 <Ubit> viwers keep telling bad gateway on events cap, that is not a error
2019-01-14 18:56 <Ubit> we are suposed to close it in 60s
2019-01-14 18:57 <Ubit> ok tps on master seem working in same grid and tp to older grid
2019-01-14 18:57 <Ubit> need test a HG in same new proto
2019-01-14 18:58 <Ubit> still have a crash with fs beta if a anim object is in view
2019-01-14 18:58 <Ubit> it wants even more time bf closing child grrr
2019-01-14 18:59 <Ubit> well in sl thats 1min or more now
2019-01-14 18:59 <Ubit> not nice with var regions grrr
2019-01-14 19:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #6127 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #6122 3 days 2 hr ago)
2019-01-14 20:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6127: STILL FAILING in 4 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6127/
2019-01-14 20:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do HG as old protocol, needs deeper changes
2019-01-14 20:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #6128 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #6122 3 days 2 hr ago)
2019-01-14 20:20 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-01-14 20:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6128: FIXED in 5 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6128/
2019-01-14 20:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: disable test not conform to new tp
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2019-01-15 12:27 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-15 13:59 <osmantis> Bug #8371:04 Texture Animate Script Stops Working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8371 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-15 15:02 <osmantis> Bug #8453:04 Setting normal and/or specular map removes diffuse texture and impossible to edit parameters 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8453 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-15 18:37 <osmantis> Bug #8451:04 Meshes are randomly failing to load 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8451 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-15 18:40 <BillBlight> 20 minute warning ...
2019-01-15 18:43 <osmantis> Bug #8454:04 Welcome Avatar! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8454 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-01-15 18:50 <BillBlight> ^^^  Wow Really? ^^^
2019-01-15 18:51 <osmantis> Bug #8454:04 Welcome Avatar! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8454 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-15 18:54 <osmantis> Bug #8451:04 Meshes are randomly failing to load 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8451 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-15 20:12 <osmantis> Bug #8451:04 Meshes are randomly failing to load 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8451 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-15 21:11 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-16 00:31 <Ubit> err what is "git push" doing there ??
2019-01-16 00:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #6129 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-01-16 00:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6129: SUCCESS in 6 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6129/
2019-01-16 00:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8442 change alpha blending note BREAKING CHANGEgit push! old scripts using alpha parameter != 255 on osSetDynamicTextureDataBlendFace, will be diferent
2019-01-16 00:58 <osmantis> Bug #8442:04 [SCRIPT] Small bug with osSetDynamicTextureDataBlendFace under Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8442 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-16 01:49 <osmantis> Bug #8451:04 Meshes are randomly failing to load 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8451 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-16 02:32 <osmantis> Bug #8454:04 Welcome Avatar! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8454 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-16 04:00 <osmantis> Bug #8454:04 Welcome Avatar! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8454 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-16 04:03 <osmantis> Bug #8451:04 Meshes are randomly failing to load 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8451 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-16 04:08 <BillBlight> Seriously when did the mantis become, "Teach me how to setup Opensimulator"
2019-01-16 04:12 <Plugh> :)
2019-01-16 04:17 <Plugh> I have a bug report for someone wanting help on setting up OpenSimSearch. Eiher they aren't following the information I provided in the detailed README file or their problem is with setting up their database, webserver, and PHP side of things.
2019-01-16 06:32 <osmantis> Bug #8451:04 Meshes are randomly failing to load 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8451 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-16 09:04 <osmantis> Bug #8454:04 Welcome Avatar! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8454 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-16 09:46 <osmantis> Bug #8455:04 Child agents not closed cleanly when HG traveller exits grid - closes only after 60000ms no packets received timeout. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8455 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-01-16 09:47 <osmantis> Bug #8455:04 Child agents not closed cleanly when HG traveller exits grid - closes only after 60000ms no packets received timeout 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8455 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-01-16 09:51 <osmantis> Bug #8455:04 Child agents not closed cleanly when HG traveller exits grid - closes only after 60000ms no packets received timeout 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8455 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-01-16 10:40 <Tampa> Not sure what you expect Bill, if that remains to be the most easily accessible place for most to get into contact with developers
2019-01-16 13:26 <osmantis> Bug #8455:04 Child agents not closed cleanly when HG traveller exits grid - closes only after 60000ms no packets received timeout 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8455 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-16 13:28 <osmantis> Bug #8455:04 Child agents not closed cleanly when HG traveller exits grid - closes only after 60000ms no packets received timeout 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8455 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-16 15:10 <osmantis> Bug #8451:04 Meshes are randomly failing to load 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8451 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-16 15:24 <osmantis> Bug #8455:04 Child agents not closed cleanly when HG traveller exits grid - closes only after 60000ms no packets received timeout 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8455 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-01-16 17:00 <osmantis> Bug #8442:04 [SCRIPT] Small bug with osSetDynamicTextureDataBlendFace under Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8442 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-16 17:14 <Ubit> dj what is that test ?
2019-01-16 17:14 <Ubit> and with what os version??
2019-01-16 17:14 <djphil> you don't understand what i try to explain ?
2019-01-16 17:14 <Ubit> first what version ?
2019-01-16 17:15 <djphil> the last one opensim-0.9.0.1-721-gd8e5b73.zip
2019-01-16 17:15 <djphil> (with your last changes for dynamic texture)
2019-01-16 17:16 <djphil> i jjust edit mantis to add the script for testing ...
2019-01-16 17:17 <djphil> i have no tested on linux, no linux at home
2019-01-16 17:18 <djphil> What I call "valid" is what I think it should do :p
2019-01-16 17:19 <djphil> (I do not see the point of what he's doing right now)
2019-01-16 17:20 <Ubit> i don't get that over white
2019-01-16 17:20 <Ubit> with 128/TREU
2019-01-16 17:20 <Ubit> TRUE
2019-01-16 17:20 <Ubit> i got like photshop
2019-01-16 17:21 <djphil> :o
2019-01-16 17:21 <djphil> on linux you mean or windows ?
2019-01-16 17:21 <Ubit> win
2019-01-16 17:21 <djphil> double :o
2019-01-16 17:21 <djphil> how ?
2019-01-16 17:22 <Ubit> just added you script to a prim and tested
2019-01-16 17:22 <Ubit> integer alpha = 128;
2019-01-16 17:22 <Ubit> integer status = TRUE;
2019-01-16 17:23 <djphil> ok, true
2019-01-16 17:23 <djphil> but what appen when you change alpha value here "width:256, height:256, alpha: 0"
2019-01-16 17:24 <Ubit> ?
2019-01-16 17:24 <djphil> change alpha: 0  to alpha 128
2019-01-16 17:24 <Ubit> noe testing as you said
2019-01-16 17:25 <Ubit> your images are like the script right?
2019-01-16 17:25 <Ubit> linux does the same as win, ie as photoshop 
2019-01-16 17:25 <djphil> yes but with chnaging the second alpha
2019-01-16 17:26 <Ubit> im testing you script as you did paste on mantis
2019-01-16 17:26 <Ubit> plz confirm that
2019-01-16 17:26 <djphil> yes with the first alpha (on top) on 128 and status TRUE
2019-01-16 17:26 <djphil> change this too      string params = "width:256, height:256, alpha: 128";
2019-01-16 17:28 <djphil> but you're right i think ... if we want result like photochop, we have to put 2nd alpha on 0
2019-01-16 17:28 <Ubit> and 128/false does no do as you shown
2019-01-16 17:28 <Ubit> the prim texture is just not used
2019-01-16 17:28 <Ubit> so i see what is behind the prim
2019-01-16 17:29 <djphil> lol
2019-01-16 17:29 <Ubit> ie is like not using the blend function, just draw on face and set prim transp to 50
2019-01-16 17:29 <Ubit> i mean the result is like that..
2019-01-16 17:30 <Ubit> rectangle is white
2019-01-16 17:30 <djphil> ok
2019-01-16 17:30 <Ubit> you see that also ?
2019-01-16 17:30 <djphil> ty for explain ;)
2019-01-16 17:30 <djphil> yes idem here
2019-01-16 17:30 <Ubit> not explaining.. testing :)
2019-01-16 17:30 <djphil> seam ok now
2019-01-16 17:31 <Ubit> so how did you got those images?
2019-01-16 17:31 <Ubit> bs they do look worong
2019-01-16 17:31 <Ubit> bc
2019-01-16 17:31 <djphil> Well, I explained it to you ... wait, I'll give you the exact script
2019-01-16 17:32 <djphil> https://pastebin.com/e98FRs1C
2019-01-16 17:32 <Ubit> man if you do a mantis you should put coerent information on it :p
2019-01-16 17:32 <djphil> i just change values ...
2019-01-16 17:33 <djphil> testing = changing values :)
2019-01-16 17:33 <Ubit> you only changed from alpha: 0" to alpha: 128
2019-01-16 17:34 <djphil> that why i say (with alpha 128 and TRUE/FALSE) :p
2019-01-16 17:34 <djphil> yes
2019-01-16 17:34 <Ubit> ok now i do see the odd white
2019-01-16 17:34 <djphil> cool
2019-01-16 17:34 <Ubit> strange this was working i paste no?
2019-01-16 17:34 <Ubit> in
2019-01-16 17:35 <djphil> Mmm ?
2019-01-16 17:35 <Ubit> seems almost has .net alpha blending changed
2019-01-16 17:35 <Ubit> bahh
2019-01-16 17:36 <Ubit> im silly
2019-01-16 17:36 <Ubit> of course the white shows up
2019-01-16 17:36 <Ubit> the base color IS white
2019-01-16 17:37 <Ubit> see?
2019-01-16 17:37 <djphil> +/-
2019-01-16 17:37 <djphil> why not transparent ?
2019-01-16 17:37 <Ubit> alpha:180 means a color 0x80ffffff
2019-01-16 17:37 <Ubit> that is white
2019-01-16 17:38 <djphil> 180 or 255 ?
2019-01-16 17:38 <Ubit> we are on the alpha:128 test
2019-01-16 17:38 <Ubit> compare with this
2019-01-16 17:38 <djphil> true
2019-01-16 17:38 <Ubit> set a normal prim face color to white
2019-01-16 17:39 <djphil> 128 = 255/2
2019-01-16 17:39 <djphil> not 180
2019-01-16 17:39 <Ubit> typo meant 128,
2019-01-16 17:39 <Ubit> do as i said to understad
2019-01-16 17:39 <djphil> above yo usay "02alpha:180 means a color 0x80ffffff01"
2019-01-16 17:39 <Ubit> set a normal prim white, trans 50
2019-01-16 17:40 <Ubit> above yo usay "alpha:128 means a color 0x80ffffff"
2019-01-16 17:40 <djphil> values are 0 to 180 or 0 to 255 ?
2019-01-16 17:40 <djphil> wiki say 255 ...
2019-01-16 17:40 <Ubit> forget the 180. was a typo
2019-01-16 17:41 <djphil> ok
2019-01-16 17:41 <Ubit> well to compare with just a prim we would need a white texture also :)
2019-01-16 17:42 <Ubit> ok got it
2019-01-16 17:42 <Ubit> (Blank texture
2019-01-16 17:43 <Ubit> the prim looks almost like using the blend without the rectangle
2019-01-16 17:44 <djphil> You happen to get results 3 and 4 photoshop example with script ossl?
2019-01-16 17:47 <Ubit> how did you got the black rect ??
2019-01-16 17:47 <djphil> osSetPenColor(cmd, "Black");
2019-01-16 17:48 <Ubit> ok
2019-01-16 17:48 <Ubit> i get phosto results setting alpha:0
2019-01-16 17:49 <djphil> past the script please
2019-01-16 17:50 <djphil> to be sure
2019-01-16 17:54 <Ubit> something odd with pen black
2019-01-16 17:54 <djphil> true, i found that too
2019-01-16 17:55 <djphil> strange behavior with black
2019-01-16 17:55 <djphil> but black is used to delimit transparency I think ...
2019-01-16 17:57 <Ubit> why is background also white??
2019-01-16 17:57 <Ubit> i mean black
2019-01-16 17:57 <djphil> heh ...
2019-01-16 18:01 <djphil> do you manage to get example 3 and 4 of photoshop with lsl script?
2019-01-16 18:01 <Ubit> ok same issue the old one had
2019-01-16 18:02 <djphil> yes i think too
2019-01-16 18:02 <Ubit> b.SetPixel(w, h, Color.FromArgb(alpha, b.GetPixel(w, h))); does a mess
2019-01-16 18:02 <djphil> ?{$¨¨^^?!@& ???
2019-01-16 18:02 <djphil> (lol)
2019-01-16 20:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #6130 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-16 20:31 <osmantis> Bug #8442:04 [SCRIPT] Small bug with osSetDynamicTextureDataBlendFace under Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8442 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-16 20:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6130: SUCCESS in 7 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6130/
2019-01-16 20:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8442 more changes to alpha blending
2019-01-16 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #8442:04 [SCRIPT] Small bug with osSetDynamicTextureDataBlendFace under Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8442 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2019-01-16 20:42 <djphil> Nice change :)
2019-01-16 22:46 <djphil> Firestrom for Opensim already support animesh ?
2019-01-16 22:46 <djphil> Seams no yet ...
2019-01-16 22:54 <djphil> Ok, just see 6.x Beta support it! ;)
2019-01-17 13:12 <Ubit> not sure what happened to that blend, i haad the idea it was working ok in past
2019-01-17 13:12 <Ubit> mb .net changed on alpha handling
2019-01-17 13:16 <djphil> He is good now, no?
2019-01-17 13:17 <Ubit> he ?
2019-01-17 13:17 <djphil> The blending
2019-01-17 13:17 <djphil> The alpha
2019-01-17 13:17 <Ubit> you tell me :)
2019-01-17 13:17 <Ubit> better at least
2019-01-17 13:18 <djphil> yeah, better
2019-01-17 13:18 <djphil> Before it never really worked properly
2019-01-17 13:18 <Ubit> in some cases they try to pre handle alpha
2019-01-17 13:19 <Ubit> like if its 0, the rest of color is just ignored, bc not used
2019-01-17 13:19 <Ubit> but it can be used in "our case"
2019-01-17 13:20 <djphil> Now we can cover more cases
2019-01-17 13:21 <Ubit> 
ACTION hides

2019-01-17 13:21 <djphil> 
ACTION i see you :p

2019-01-17 13:21 <Ubit> :)
2019-01-17 13:21 <djphil> Tested animesh yesterday ... found it work well :)
2019-01-17 13:22 <Ubit> aniwhat? :p
2019-01-17 13:22 <djphil> Now we need patfindig to combine with ani, ani, ani MESH !!!
2019-01-17 13:22 <djphil> pathfinding*
2019-01-17 13:23 <djphil> Is there a progression on this?
2019-01-17 13:23 <Ubit> no
2019-01-17 13:24 <djphil> nowhat ? :p
2019-01-17 13:24 <Ubit> and guess you will better with npcs that this
2019-01-17 13:24 <Ubit> at least for now, viewer side
2019-01-17 13:25 <djphil> well pathfinding can be combined with npc's also of course :)
2019-01-17 13:25 <Ubit> you find the path... don't be lazy :p
2019-01-17 13:26 <djphil> Well, I always look for him ^^
2019-01-17 13:26 <Ubit> him or Him ?
2019-01-17 13:26 <djphil> Ask Google translator ^^
2019-01-17 13:27 <djphil> i read doc about animesh yesterday i seams Second life have option to allow it on specific region ... In any case this seems to imply
2019-01-17 13:28 <djphil> but a no found any param on Opensim.ini
2019-01-17 13:28 <djphil> is that normal ?
2019-01-17 13:29 <djphil> Animesh is allway allowed anywehre on OpenSim ?
2019-01-17 13:29 <Ubit> so far yes
2019-01-17 13:29 <djphil> oki
2019-01-17 13:29 <Ubit> hmm and not that easy to stop it
2019-01-17 13:29 <Ubit> it is all over
2019-01-17 13:30 <djphil> well we can allow / deninpc ... why not animesh ?
2019-01-17 13:30 <Ubit> bc reasons :p
2019-01-17 13:31 <djphil> Hmmm :)
2019-01-17 13:32 <Ubit> hmm rezzing things with that on regions that don't sup it may break the object.. not sure
2019-01-17 13:33 <Ubit> and why disable it?
2019-01-17 13:33 <djphil> and why not ? ...
2019-01-17 13:33 <Ubit> nahh nahh not a valid counter question :p
2019-01-17 13:34 <djphil> to have the choice !!!
2019-01-17 13:34 <Ubit> choices don't matter
2019-01-17 13:34 <djphil> to controle simulator usage
2019-01-17 13:35 <djphil> to allow /denie extra features
2019-01-17 13:35 <Ubit> well this is not a simple add on
2019-01-17 13:35 <Tampa> deny*
2019-01-17 13:35 <Ubit> its objects description change etc etc
2019-01-17 13:37 <djphil> de main difference with a simple mesh  is the armature rig no ?
2019-01-17 13:37 <djphil> The*
2019-01-17 13:37 <Ubit> that is the same as for avatars
2019-01-17 13:38 <Ubit> it must be a mesh for avatar
2019-01-17 13:38 <djphil> That's what I think too
2019-01-17 13:38 <Ubit> it is
2019-01-17 13:38 <Ubit> the only thing they did was to glue the avatar animation code to objects
2019-01-17 13:38 <Ubit> basicly..
2019-01-17 13:40 <Ubit> ( a bit more complex than that, but thats it basicly )
2019-01-17 13:40 <djphil> You can easily imagine users who use npc / animesh with abuse, 500 npc on the region or more and also 500 animesh and more ... so it is good to have a little control over it you do not believe?
2019-01-17 13:40 <Ubit> i can see users put 80000k prims on a region... so what ?
2019-01-17 13:41 <djphil> we can limit by region.ini
2019-01-17 13:41 <Ubit> or arrive to your region wearing a ton of huge meshes
2019-01-17 13:41 <djphil> hehe
2019-01-17 13:42 <djphil> These are all of Bill's friends (lol)
2019-01-17 13:44 <djphil> 
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2019-01-17 19:10 <BillBlight> You better hide
2019-01-17 19:11 <BillBlight> LL turns off animesh on certain regions by the version they are running, I highly doubt they have a switch they turn on and off for it
2019-01-17 19:11 <djphil> Yes maybee ...
2019-01-17 19:27 <BillBlight> not really a maybe , you can see their simulator version in FS
2019-01-17 19:28 <BillBlight> And it being LL functions, not sure without making Ubit cry, we could disable it per region ..
2019-01-17 19:29 <Ubit> its more than just functions
2019-01-17 19:53 <BillBlight> duh
2019-01-17 21:50 <Ubit> ajld6419
2019-01-17 21:51 <Ubit> hide your regions :p
2019-01-17 21:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #6131 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-17 21:54 <Ubit> gezz 5 fs open
2019-01-17 21:57 <Ubit> hmm i may overdone some inlining :p
2019-01-17 21:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6131: SUCCESS in 8 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6131/
2019-01-17 21:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv with more changes to low level code
2019-01-17 22:03 <Ubit> bill are yr regions smoking already?
2019-01-17 22:26 <misterblue> Ubit: where are you making these libomv changes? which repository?
2019-01-17 22:39 <Ubit> our libomv one
2019-01-17 22:40 <Ubit> ( at https://bitbucket.org/opensimulator/ )
2019-01-17 22:45 <Ubit> all this changes are useless compiling/running in debug mode
2019-01-17 22:46 <Ubit> well almost useless anyways :p
2019-01-17 22:48 <Ubit> but i never had the idea that 2 vectors are almost equal if equal lenght..  gezzz
2019-01-17 22:50 <Ubit> yeack
2019-01-17 22:50 <Ubit>  float dif = Math.Abs(a - b);
2019-01-17 22:50 <Ubit>             if(Math.Abs(dif) <= tolerance)
2019-01-17 22:50 <Ubit> im so silly
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2019-01-18 01:19 <Tampa> dlls being updated without knowing whats in them
2019-01-18 01:20 <BillBlight> pay attention .
2019-01-18 01:20 <BillBlight> https://bitbucket.org/opensimulator/libopenmetaverse/src
2019-01-18 01:20 <Ubit> 
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2019-01-18 01:26 <Ubit> ( did i spank him 2 much ??)
2019-01-18 03:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #6132 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-18 03:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6132: SUCCESS in 5 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6132/
2019-01-18 03:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8442 more changes to alpha blending (mono does not like last)
2019-01-18 03:18 <Ubit> 
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2019-01-18 11:42 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-01-18 11:49 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-01-18 11:56 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-01-18 11:58 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-18 13:11 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-18 13:37 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-18 15:16 <osmantis> Bug #8453:04 Setting normal and/or specular map removes diffuse texture and impossible to edit parameters 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8453 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-18 15:16 <osmantis> Bug #8453:04 Setting normal and/or specular map removes diffuse texture and impossible to edit parameters 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8453 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-01-18 15:23 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-18 15:24 <Ubit> outch so many things
2019-01-18 15:31 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-18 15:32 <osmantis> Bug #8455:04 Child agents not closed cleanly when HG traveller exits grid - closes only after 60000ms no packets received timeout 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8455 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-18 15:41 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-18 15:44 <Tampa> Sure spank me Ubit, only this exists: http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=shortlog&p=opensim-libs 
2019-01-18 15:44 <Ubit> hmm ??
2019-01-18 15:44 <Tampa> Be nice if things would not move around or move around as whole not fragmented across multiple git things, easier to track
2019-01-18 15:44 <Ubit> nothing new
2019-01-18 15:45 <Ubit> you need main git, opensim-libs repo, libomv, etc
2019-01-18 15:45 <Ubit> and you can actually find those 3 now on bitb..
2019-01-18 15:46 <Tampa> Should put them all on the git repo of the viewgit machine and mirror to bitbucket, github, gitlab what have you, just to be sure ;)
2019-01-18 15:47 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-18 15:47 <Ubit> don't be lazy.. 
2019-01-18 15:47 <Ubit> :p
2019-01-18 15:48 <Ubit> im the one lazy here :p
2019-01-18 15:48 <Tampa> I'm just trying to track changes in case they break something on my end or I see something that I would like to test further
2019-01-18 15:51 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-18 15:52 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-18 15:58 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-18 16:04 <osmantis> Bug #8457:04 Squish last compiler warning - Region\ScriptEngine\Shared\CodeTools\OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Shared.CodeTools.csproj 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8457 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-01-18 16:07 <osmantis> Bug #8457:04 Squish last compiler warning - Region\ScriptEngine\Shared\CodeTools\OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Shared.CodeTools.csproj 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8457 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-18 16:25 <osmantis> Bug #8457:04 Squish last compiler warning - Region\ScriptEngine\Shared\CodeTools\OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Shared.CodeTools.csproj 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8457 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-18 17:48 <osmantis> Bug #8457:04 Squish last compiler warning - Region\ScriptEngine\Shared\CodeTools\OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Shared.CodeTools.csproj 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8457 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-18 18:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #6133 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-18 18:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6133: SUCCESS in 6 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6133/
2019-01-18 18:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix HG tp detection
2019-01-18 22:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #6134 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-18 22:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6134: SUCCESS in 5 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6134/
2019-01-18 22:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few changes to tp home
2019-01-18 22:43 <Ubit> tampa did eat all the cookies Bill you can go
2019-01-18 22:43 <Ubit> :p
2019-01-18 22:44 <Ubit> err unless you bring more, of course
2019-01-18 22:44 <AliciaRaven> some one say cookie?
2019-01-18 22:44 <Ubit> :)
2019-01-18 22:59 <Plugh> cookie?
2019-01-19 00:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #6135 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-19 00:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6135: SUCCESS in 5 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6135/
2019-01-19 00:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few more changes to tp home
2019-01-19 00:49 <Ubit> sleep time :)
2019-01-19 03:49 <osmantis> Bug #8458:04 Unlinking prims not working properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8458 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-01-19 03:59 <osmantis> Bug #8458:04 Unlinking prims not working properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8458 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-01-19 06:58 <osmantis> Bug #8458:04 Unlinking prims not working properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8458 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-01-19 07:11 <osmantis> Bug #8458:04 Unlinking prims not working properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8458 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-19 07:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #6136 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-19 07:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6136: SUCCESS in 7 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6136/
2019-01-19 07:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8458: don't forget prims on search map on link/unlink
2019-01-19 08:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #6137 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-19 08:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6137: SUCCESS in 5 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6137/
2019-01-19 08:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reduce some delay on shutdown
2019-01-19 12:28 <osmantis> Bug #8458:04 Unlinking prims not working properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8458 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-19 12:28 <osmantis> Bug #8458:04 Unlinking prims not working properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8458 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-01-19 12:29 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-19 12:34 <osmantis> Bug #8004:04 Scripts sometimes take a long time to load on region cross/teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8004 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-01-19 12:36 <osmantis> Bug #5640:04 Out of Memory errors when saving/loading IAR/OAR, logging in / logging out 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5640 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-01-19 12:40 <osmantis> Bug #6580:04 Phantom/Physical/Temporary can not be set or unset on objects in world 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6580 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-01-19 14:55 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-19 14:57 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-19 14:57 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-19 15:00 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-19 15:01 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-19 15:03 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-19 15:15 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-19 15:17 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-19 16:09 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-19 17:02 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-19 17:26 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-19 18:17 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-19 20:46 <osmantis> Bug #8459:04 visitor board script now wont render text correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8459 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-01-19 20:46 <djphil> hehe the first one :p
2019-01-19 20:55 <Ubit> grrr
2019-01-19 20:55 <djphil> I'm answering him right now ;)
2019-01-19 20:55 <Ubit> osSetDynamicTextureDataBlendFace("", "vector", draw, body, FALSE, 2, 0, FALSE, 4);
2019-01-19 20:56 <Ubit> false is 0 alpha cool
2019-01-19 20:56 <djphil> yes ... must be 255
2019-01-19 20:56 <djphil> work well with 255 ;)
2019-01-19 20:56 <Ubit> with is code its full transparent now
2019-01-19 20:58 <djphil> not if you set with  body = "width:256,height:256,aplha:255,bgcolour:black";
2019-01-19 20:58 <djphil> and osSetDynamicTextureDataBlendFace("", "vector", draw, body, TRUE, 2, 0, FALSE, 4);
2019-01-19 20:59 <djphil> in the script the fisrt alpha is set to "alpha:false"
2019-01-19 20:59 <Ubit> well and he is not really blending anything
2019-01-19 21:00 <Ubit> aplha:FALSE  <-- not really :)
2019-01-19 21:00 <djphil> it blend if you put value 32 for example
2019-01-19 21:02 <Ubit> blends with what ??
2019-01-19 21:03 <djphil> with the background texture
2019-01-19 21:03 <djphil> if have one ...
2019-01-19 21:03 <Ubit> nopes
2019-01-19 21:03 <Ubit> not with blend option == false
2019-01-19 21:03 <Ubit> that is actually a nonsense option
2019-01-19 21:04 <djphil> here he have a background color (black)
2019-01-19 21:04 <Ubit> blend is to blend with tex on face
2019-01-19 21:04 <Ubit> if blend == false there is only the draw texture
2019-01-19 21:05 <Ubit> so its actually like the no blend func
2019-01-19 21:07 <djphil> actuelly the result with false sis transparent
2019-01-19 21:10 <osmantis> Bug #8459:04 visitor board script now wont render text correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8459 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-19 21:17 <djphil> i'm just re testing the wiki scripts @ http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsSetDynamicTextureDataBlendFace and it work well
2019-01-19 21:18 <djphil> maybee a can add a blending exemple ...
2019-01-19 21:24 <osmantis> Bug #8459:04 visitor board script now wont render text correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8459 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-19 21:25 <BillBlight> aplha ? really , mispelling in the script anyway
2019-01-19 21:26 <djphil> blending exemple added :)
2019-01-19 21:31 <osmantis> Bug #8459:04 visitor board script now wont render text correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8459 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-19 21:36 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-19 21:38 <BillBlight> I have particles that run 24/7 on my fest region, and I have yet to see them stop working ...  <shrug>
2019-01-19 21:38 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-19 21:39 <BillBlight> also , I have had people tell me they can't see the particles when I can see them, so this really looks like it is something viewer side or a combination of things
2019-01-19 21:39 <BillBlight> and I am using the FS6 beta, so I don't know, I have tried to replicate that issue
2019-01-19 21:40 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-19 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #8459:04 visitor board script now wont render text correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8459 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-19 21:54 <osmantis> Bug #8459:04 visitor board script now wont render text correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8459 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-19 21:56 <osmantis> Bug #8459:04 visitor board script now wont render text correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8459 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-19 21:59 <osmantis> Bug #8459:04 visitor board script now wont render text correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8459 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-19 22:02 <osmantis> Bug #8459:04 visitor board script now wont render text correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8459 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-19 22:22 <osmantis> Bug #8459:04 visitor board script now wont render text correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8459 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-19 22:27 <osmantis> Bug #8459:04 visitor board script now wont render text correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8459 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-19 22:29 <osmantis> Bug #8459:04 visitor board script now wont render text correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8459 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-01-19 23:19 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-19 23:51 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-20 00:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #6138 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-20 00:24 <Ubit> damm fliiped my test car again
2019-01-20 00:25 <AliciaRaven> hope u didnt land on ur cookie jar lol
2019-01-20 00:25 <Ubit> :)
2019-01-20 00:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6138: SUCCESS in 6 min 40 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6138/
2019-01-20 00:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
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2019-01-20 02:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #6139 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-20 02:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6139: SUCCESS in 5 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6139/
2019-01-20 02:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
2019-01-20 07:01 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-20 10:47 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-20 12:13 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-20 12:21 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-20 14:08 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-20 17:30 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-20 17:37 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-20 21:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #6140 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-20 21:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6140: SUCCESS in 6 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6140/
2019-01-20 21:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics on terrain patchs
2019-01-20 22:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #6141 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-20 22:51 <CrasherRob> I have found the griefer, and it's me...
2019-01-20 22:51 <Ubit> oh?
2019-01-20 22:53 <CrasherRob> I created a script that has a for(i= 0; i<M; i) that's used in the default state, so it's a permanent loop. I can't make it go away. 
2019-01-20 22:53 <Ubit> it should die on Xengine
2019-01-20 22:53 <Ubit> not really on Y
2019-01-20 22:54 <CrasherRob> I'm using the default, whatever that is. 
2019-01-20 22:54 <Ubit> X
2019-01-20 22:54 <Ubit> that thread doing the loop should be killed after a while
2019-01-20 22:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6141: SUCCESS in 5 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6141/
2019-01-20 22:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics on warp3d
2019-01-20 22:56 <Ubit> how did that compile??
2019-01-20 22:57 <CrasherRob> It's running. My console is stuck unable to complete a scripts suspend
2019-01-20 22:57 <Ubit> shutdown the region, and start with Xengine disabled
2019-01-20 22:57 <Ubit> then kill the prim
2019-01-20 22:59 <CrasherRob> OK, will do. the for loop might have been for(..;i=i), a typo changing it from i=i+3 to i++ 
2019-01-20 22:59 <Ubit> ohh it does comp also on Y
2019-01-20 23:00 <Ubit> but no major negative impact on y
2019-01-20 23:02 <Ubit> ohh i never do typos like that...
2019-01-20 23:02 <Ubit> COFF COFF COFFF
2019-01-20 23:03 <Ubit> uff still remeber the BSOD on win7 bc one on ode.dll
2019-01-20 23:08 <CrasherRob> Didn't need to disable Xengine, just needed to delete the prim and restart after removing ScriptEngines directory. My mistake was trying to just delete the script.
2019-01-20 23:12 <CrasherRob> There is still the possibility of a great opportunity for griefing though, if done on purpose. 
2019-01-20 23:13 <CrasherRob> I thought there was some sort of script timeout that prevented this...
2019-01-20 23:14 <Ubit> assuming a thread accepts to die..
2019-01-20 23:14 <CrasherRob> This is an LSL thread. Does it have a choice? 
2019-01-20 23:15 <Ubit> it is .net thread
2019-01-20 23:16 <Ubit> and yes, they may refuse to die
2019-01-20 23:18 <CrasherRob> I don't think this is the first time I've had an infinite LSL loop. This time, I couldn't even update the script after figuring out what the problem was.
2019-01-20 23:19 <BillBlight> Fruit Loops taste much better than LSL Loops
2019-01-20 23:19 <CrasherRob> Especially when infinite.
2019-01-20 23:45 <Plugh> I've seen a region hang on startup when the scripting engine was disabled. The RegionReady signal never got sent.
2019-01-21 00:08 <Tampa> Plugh that is a known annoyance, well to me anyways
2019-01-21 00:09 <CrasherRob> Ubit, FYI I can't reproduce the problem. That is, I can create the infinite loop, but can always update the script. 
2019-01-21 00:09 <Ubit> odd
2019-01-21 00:10 <CrasherRob> I can't reproduce the part where it gets stuck..
2019-01-21 00:11 <Tampa> On one hand the activity on mantis is nice to see folks actively reporting things they see on the other hand some of these problems make me facepalm
2019-01-21 01:37 <Ubit> yeap considering adding more bugs to have ppl happy typing there
2019-01-21 01:37 <Ubit> ;)
2019-01-21 01:45 <Ubit> oops that is not ubode
2019-01-21 01:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #6142 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-21 02:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6142: SUCCESS in 19 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6142/
2019-01-21 02:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubode try remove a legacy lock, that is nasty
2019-01-21 02:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #6143 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-21 02:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6143: SUCCESS in 16 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6143/
2019-01-21 02:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: this looks more like ubode
2019-01-21 06:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #6144 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-21 06:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6144: FAILURE in 2 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6144/
2019-01-21 06:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove terraindata abstraction layer, since we only have heightmap type
2019-01-21 06:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #6145 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6143 4 hr 5 min ago)
2019-01-21 06:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6145: STILL FAILING in 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6145/
2019-01-21 06:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file
2019-01-21 06:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #6146 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #6143 4 hr 11 min ago)
2019-01-21 06:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6146: STILL FAILING in 2 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6146/
2019-01-21 06:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: another missing file
2019-01-21 06:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #6147 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #6143 4 hr 38 min ago)
2019-01-21 06:47 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-01-21 06:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6147: FIXED in 6 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6147/
2019-01-21 06:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: another missing file
2019-01-21 07:49 <osmantis> Bug #8460:04 Timeout detected for thread MapBlockSendThread 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8460 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-01-21 08:06 <Ubit> ajld6419
2019-01-21 08:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #6148 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-01-21 08:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6148: SUCCESS in 7 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6148/
2019-01-21 08:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change float to byte rounding
2019-01-21 08:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #6149 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-21 08:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6149: SUCCESS in 5 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6149/
2019-01-21 08:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: well.. put the ode locks back, for now
2019-01-21 13:19 <Ubit> oops
2019-01-21 13:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #6150 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-21 13:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6150: FAILURE in 2 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6150/
2019-01-21 13:21 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: some cleanup
2019-01-21 13:21 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: give up on Lazy<T>
2019-01-21 13:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #6151 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6149 4 hr 49 min ago)
2019-01-21 13:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6151: STILL FAILING in 5 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6151/
2019-01-21 13:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops
2019-01-21 13:29 <Ubit> what ?
2019-01-21 13:29 <Ubit> inv tests?
2019-01-21 13:29 <Ubit> grrr
2019-01-21 13:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #6152 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #6149 5 hr 10 min ago)
2019-01-21 13:50 <Ubit> errr
2019-01-21 13:50 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-01-21 13:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6152: FIXED in 5 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6152/
2019-01-21 13:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: disable tests that now fail bc a scenegraph is now needed to find prims by local id
2019-01-21 14:05 <Ubit> oops
2019-01-21 14:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #6153 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-01-21 14:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6153: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6153/
2019-01-21 14:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a bad c&p
2019-01-21 15:59 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-21 16:07 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-21 16:12 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-21 18:32 <osmantis> Bug #8423:04 Invalid formatted GUID in the DB causes the instance to crash on startup. Log file does not show the bad GUID so cannot fix it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8423 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-21 18:37 <osmantis> Bug #8461:04 Powerup slows down after a while 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8461 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-01-21 20:40 <osmantis> Bug #8423:04 Invalid formatted GUID in the DB causes the instance to crash on startup. Log file does not show the bad GUID so cannot fix it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8423 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-21 20:48 <osmantis> Bug #8461:04 Powerup slows down after a while 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8461 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-21 22:44 <osmantis> Bug #8423:04 Invalid formatted GUID in the DB causes the instance to crash on startup. Log file does not show the bad GUID so cannot fix it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8423 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-21 23:15 <osmantis> Bug #8423:04 Invalid formatted GUID in the DB causes the instance to crash on startup. Log file does not show the bad GUID so cannot fix it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8423 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-21 23:45 <Tampa> Does try catch not continue on windows perhaps? @BillBlight
2019-01-21 23:47 <osmantis> Bug #8423:04 Invalid formatted GUID in the DB causes the instance to crash on startup. Log file does not show the bad GUID so cannot fix it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8423 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-22 00:48 <BillBlight> I'm not sure what that guy is wanting on the mantis, should Opensimulator allow corrupt databases to run?  Should it just ignore them and not require you to fix your shit ...
2019-01-22 03:00 <Tampa> Difficult thing to consider, one hand I don't think it should terminate on the other hand if you screw up you screw up
2019-01-22 03:00 <Tampa> Bigger question would be what happened for the uuid to be bad in the first place
2019-01-22 03:01 <BillBlight> UUID could get screwed up for many reasons most common is a damanged table, which has nothing to do with opensim itself, just poor DB maint, or plain lack of knowledge on how to maintain one ..
2019-01-22 03:02 <Tampa> It would be good to know this was not caused by some bad input that was somehow generated, then again too many variables to eliminate to figure that out at the end...
2019-01-22 07:49 <osmantis> Bug #8461:04 Powerup slows down after a while 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8461 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-22 08:19 <osmantis> Bug #8298:04 Some tables are not created in MySQL storage configuration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8298 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-01-22 09:41 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-22 09:54 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-22 10:20 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-22 10:23 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-22 10:31 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-22 11:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #6154 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-22 11:36 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-22 11:38 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-22 11:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6154: SUCCESS in 7 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6154/
2019-01-22 11:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8452: possible fix
2019-01-22 11:42 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-22 12:14 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-22 12:22 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-22 12:29 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-22 12:34 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-22 12:40 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-22 21:23 <Plugh> Darn RL. I didn't realize my phone call was going to take so long. I should have said I'd call them back later.
2019-01-23 03:29 <Ubit> Bill stop dancing here
2019-01-23 03:29 <Ubit> it happens plugh
2019-01-23 03:30 <Ubit> but seems ppl hadn't much to speak off anyways
2019-01-23 03:30 <Plugh> True.
2019-01-23 03:30 <Plugh> ok.
2019-01-23 03:30 <Ubit> so you didn't miss much
2019-01-23 03:30 <Plugh> I read the scrollback after my call was over.
2019-01-23 03:30 <Tampa> Does there ever ground breaking happen at that meeting anyways...
2019-01-23 03:31 <Plugh> Sometimes, Tampa.
2019-01-23 03:31 <Plugh> Ubit, I was talking with someone for whom I may do some paid work relating to programming and/or electronics. Could turn in to a long term gig working on various projects.
2019-01-23 03:32 <Ubit> nice
2019-01-23 03:34 <Ubit> if you need help to burn stuff let me know ;)
2019-01-23 03:49 <Plugh> burn stuff?
2019-01-23 03:56 <Ubit> of course, its electronics.. it burns :p
2019-01-23 03:56 <Plugh> hehe
2019-01-23 03:56 <Tampa> "Don't breath this"
2019-01-23 03:57 <Ubit> ohh solder Pb smoke was so good
2019-01-23 03:58 <Ubit> well Pb and a lot more
2019-01-23 03:58 <Ubit> well it still has most of the a lot more
2019-01-23 03:59 <Ubit> and mine still Pb thx god
2019-01-23 04:00 <Ubit> 
ACTION puts a rope on Bills neck to hold him next time he falls 

2019-01-23 04:00 <Tampa> lol
2019-01-23 04:00 <Ubit> oops broke his neck
2019-01-23 04:04 <Ubit> first aid lessons about the use of tourniquet where so funny
2019-01-23 04:04 <Ubit> if pacient if bleeding on feet where to put it...  on leg..
2019-01-23 04:05 <Ubit> if bleading on hand..  on arm
2019-01-23 04:05 <Ubit> if bleading on face.. on neck
2019-01-23 04:05 <Ubit> there was always someone with that bright idea :p
2019-01-23 04:06 <Ubit> hmm tampa stop thinking.. one does not put it on neck :P
2019-01-23 04:07 <Tampa> We Germans have more effective methods...
2019-01-23 04:07 <Ubit> ahh now i know why you miss some jokes... yr german :p
2019-01-23 11:42 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-23 15:20 <paela>  Dylan Douglas (Vivox Support)
2019-01-23 15:20 <paela> Jan 23, 9:20 AM EST
2019-01-23 15:20 <paela> Hello,
2019-01-23 15:20 <paela> We believe the issue has been resolved.  If voice is still unable to flow, please restart Windows to make sure that any DNS entries have been flushed.
2019-01-23 15:20 <paela> Please let me know if you are still encountering issues or if your issue has been resolved.  Thank you for your continued patience.
2019-01-23 15:20 <paela> Best,
2019-01-23 15:20 <paela> Dylan Douglas
2019-01-23 15:20 <paela> Vivox Support
2019-01-23 15:21 <paela> if problem please ask me for i can report any problem at vivox
2019-01-23 16:25 <osmantis> Bug #8371:04 Texture Animate Script Stops Working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8371 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-23 16:47 <osmantis> Bug #8423:04 Invalid formatted GUID in the DB causes the instance to crash on startup. Log file does not show the bad GUID so cannot fix it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8423 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-23 16:58 <osmantis> Bug #8461:04 Powerup slows down after a while 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8461 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-23 17:02 <osmantis> Bug #8461:04 Powerup slows down after a while 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8461 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-23 17:16 <osmantis> Bug #8461:04 Powerup slows down after a while 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8461 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-23 17:35 <osmantis> Bug #8461:04 Powerup slows down after a while 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8461 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-23 20:44 <Plugh> Are there any known problem with core groups?
2019-01-23 20:45 <Plugh> Group invites and notices are working ok?
2019-01-23 20:46 <Tampa> There were some issues a while ago with it losing the references while doing edits to member lists and such, but I believe those were solved. Far as I know inviting works directly, the resident selector may be broken still. Notices should work, even HG, if properly setup.
2019-01-23 20:46 <Tampa> That's the latest I have on groupsV2 or whatever it is called now
2019-01-23 20:57 <Bill_Blight> WEll there is that issue with firestorm and groups that was reported recently, and there is a jira on it
2019-01-23 21:09 -!- Aramis^(~someone@c-73-125-138-4.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has left #opensim-dev
2019-01-23 21:09 <Plugh> Bill, Do you know the jira number, or have an idea what it related to?
2019-01-23 21:12 <djphil> Invites and Notices work on Groups V2
2019-01-23 21:19 <djphil> It does not work for you?
2019-01-23 22:02 <Plugh> djphil: I'm in a Skype session helping some one who has reported problems using groups.
2019-01-23 22:03 <djphil> no problem detected here with current master
2019-01-23 22:47 <Plugh> djphil: ok.
2019-01-23 22:47 <Plugh> Hm... OpenSim.ini has a setting for SecretKey in core groups but no such setting exists in Robust.
2019-01-23 22:51 <djphil> this is not a global param, is only by simulator
2019-01-23 22:52 <djphil> all simu can have different Secret, chuuut  :)
2019-01-23 23:00 <djphil> SecretKey seams ony for HG mode ...
2019-01-23 23:38 <osmantis> Bug #8423:04 Invalid formatted GUID in the DB causes the instance to crash on startup. Log file does not show the bad GUID so cannot fix it 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8423 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-24 07:19 <osmantis> Bug #8461:04 Powerup slows down after a while 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8461 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-24 08:43 <osmantis> Bug #8461:04 Powerup slows down after a while 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8461 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-24 08:44 <Tampa> Not a whole lot of info to go on, yet
2019-01-24 08:45 <Tampa> Neighbor inform does not halt region ready does it?
2019-01-24 09:55 <osmantis> Bug #8461:04 Powerup slows down after a while 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8461 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-24 09:57 <osmantis> Bug #8461:04 Powerup slows down after a while 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8461 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-24 10:37 <osmantis> Bug #8461:04 Powerup slows down after a while 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8461 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-24 10:56 <osmantis> Bug #8461:04 Powerup slows down after a while 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8461 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-24 11:07 <osmantis> Bug #8461:04 Powerup slows down after a while 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8461 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-24 11:18 <osmantis> Bug #8461:04 Powerup slows down after a while 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8461 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-24 11:21 <osmantis> Bug #8461:04 Powerup slows down after a while 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8461 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-24 11:35 <osmantis> Bug #8461:04 Powerup slows down after a while 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8461 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-24 12:31 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-24 12:34 <osmantis> Bug #8462:04 0.9.1.0 Snail Dev NPCs osAgentSaveAppearance create a xml without textures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8462 ): La siguiente incidencia ha sido ENVIADA.
2019-01-24 12:35 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-24 12:43 <osmantis> Bug #8461:04 Powerup slows down after a while 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8461 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-24 12:48 <osmantis> Bug #8461:04 Powerup slows down after a while 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8461 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-24 12:48 <osmantis> Bug #8462:04 0.9.1.0 Snail Dev NPCs osAgentSaveAppearance create a xml without textures When BakedTextureService is enable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8462 ): La siguiente incidencia ha sido ACTUALIZADA.
2019-01-24 13:55 <osmantis> Bug #8452:04 Particles not rendering 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8452 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-01-24 14:21 <osmantis> Bug #8462:04 0.9.1.0 Snail Dev NPCs osAgentSaveAppearance create a xml without textures When BakedTextureService is enable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8462 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2019-01-24 15:04 <osmantis> Bug #8461:04 Powerup slows down after a while 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8461 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-24 15:29 <osmantis> Bug #8461:04 Powerup slows down after a while 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8461 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-24 19:38 <Plugh> djphil: HG enabled Core groups is working fully? I have someone who finds that group notices aren't being sent out even to people who are online and in the group to which a notice was sent. 
2019-01-24 19:39 <Plugh> The person reporting the problem is going to try using the phpxmlrpc based group system as that is the one that has been working for osgrid.
2019-01-24 19:46 <djphil> I have no tested Groups V2 with HG enabled, I don't know if it work fully ...
2019-01-24 19:47 <djphil> and about Groups V1, he need php update if he is used with PHP 7.x
2019-01-24 19:47 <djphil> eg class need to be renamed to __construc ...
2019-01-24 19:50 <Plugh> V1 groups? V2 is the core one. I thought the one before that was just the phpxmlrpc based group system.
2019-01-24 19:51 <djphil> by Group V1 i means Groups XmlRpc
2019-01-24 19:51 <djphil> vith the xmlrpc libs
2019-01-24 19:51 <djphil> libs requiere a lot of upgrades (fix's)
2019-01-24 19:54 <djphil> i can send you the libs 2019 ;) all is fixed
2019-01-24 19:57 <djphil> but v1 or v2, i have tested nothhing with HG enebled ...
2019-01-24 19:59 <Plugh> I suspect that v1 groups doesn't include HG support.
2019-01-24 20:00 <Plugh> I don't recall having to change anything in flotsam for PHP 7.
2019-01-24 20:00 <Plugh> I'll have to compare my current code against the stock one to see if I did apply some changes.
2019-01-24 20:01 <djphil> eg: this function xmlrpc_client($path, $server='', $port='', $method='')
2019-01-24 20:01 <djphil> must be function __construct($path, $server='', $port='', $method='')
2019-01-24 20:01 <Plugh> Let me check...
2019-01-24 20:01 <djphil> in xmlrpc.inc
2019-01-24 20:02 <djphil> 887
2019-01-24 20:02 <Tampa> I used to get notices over hg from that hg safari thing, so at some point that did work
2019-01-24 20:03 <Tampa> Granted the membership and sending is done on the home grid of the group so if that cannot send outward or the local grid does not carry the group in the db then it wont send
2019-01-24 20:03 <Tampa> Not exactly sure how that system works anyways, groups all say @127.0.0.1 when I could swear that was supposed to have the hg address in there
2019-01-24 20:04 <Plugh> djphil: Not in the version I'm using on my own machine. I haven't tested groups in a while so I may (or may not) have a working groups system. My xmlrpc.php file is using mysqli_* calls.
2019-01-24 20:05 <djphil> isn't inside xmlrpc.php but is inside libs/xmlrpc.inc
2019-01-24 20:05 <Plugh> I know. I don't have the __construct thing in the code I'm using.
2019-01-24 20:05 <djphil> https://github.com/kcozens/flotsam/blob/master/flotsam/Servers/XmlRpcGroupsServer/phpxmlrpclib/xmlrpc.inc#L885
2019-01-24 20:06 <djphil> well with php 7.3 i get error ... and fix it like that ;)
2019-01-24 20:07 <Plugh> That looks the same as the code I'm using.
2019-01-24 20:07 <djphil> enable error reporting to ALL_E
2019-01-24 20:07 <Plugh> My machine only has 7.0
2019-01-24 20:07 <djphil> etc ...
2019-01-24 20:07 <Plugh> You like doing that, don't you?  :)
2019-01-24 20:08 <djphil> E_ALL*
2019-01-24 20:08 <djphil> yes, i like ... :)
2019-01-24 20:08 <djphil> you don't like 0 error ?
2019-01-24 20:09 <djphil> ALL_E allways help me :)
2019-01-24 20:09 <djphil> ooops E_ALL*
2019-01-24 20:10 <djphil> 
ACTION became dyslexic

2019-01-24 20:11 <Plugh> It is good to catch things like that. I've turned on debugging on sites with JS code and seen all kinds of spew. There are some people who put code out there that isn't sanitized.
2019-01-24 20:12 <Plugh> The construct thing sounds like something I need to deal with on some other PHP code that is no longer maintained. I didn't understand the complaints so I haven't fixed them yet.
2019-01-24 21:00 <osmantis> Bug #8114:04 [PATCH] Giving possibility to add/remove estate manager via simulator console. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8114 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-24 21:47 <osmantis> Bug #8114:04 [PATCH] Giving possibility to add/remove estate manager via simulator console. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8114 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-24 22:06 <Tampa> @BillBlight estate Managers, not estate Owners
2019-01-25 00:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #6155 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-25 00:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6155: SUCCESS in 6 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6155/
2019-01-25 00:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv with a few more 'useless' changes
2019-01-25 00:41 <BillBlight> Tamp , was referring to the show estates
2019-01-25 00:41 <BillBlight> you already can do that
2019-01-25 00:42 <BillBlight> it is just estate show
2019-01-25 00:43 <BillBlight> as the example I put on the mantis shows, never said anything about the managers, good idea but can be done with a db edit, simple php
2019-01-25 00:47 <BillBlight> Quote, Tampa "While you are in there, how about adding "show estates" to the command handling to bring in line with the other commands "show regions", "show users" and so on?"
2019-01-25 01:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #6156 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-25 01:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6156: SUCCESS in 5 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6156/
2019-01-25 01:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change threads confusing names
2019-01-25 03:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #6157 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-25 03:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6157: SUCCESS in 5 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6157/
2019-01-25 03:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Ooops fix bad locking
2019-01-25 03:30 <Tampa> @BillBlight estate show as command is the odd one out, all the other ones are show "what to show", adding the reversal of estate show, show estates seems logical when you have show regions show users etc
2019-01-25 03:30 <Tampa> Point of commonality on the commands to reduce confusion
2019-01-25 03:31 <BillBlight> brain cells reduce confusion too
2019-01-25 03:31 <Ubit> what brain cells? i only have one
2019-01-25 03:34 <BillBlight> That explains your constant state of confusion Ubit ... :P
2019-01-25 03:34 <Ubit> yeaps :p
2019-01-25 03:37 <Tampa> Very funny
2019-01-25 03:38 <Tampa> much laughs
2019-01-25 03:38 <Ubit> tampa, yr german, you dont understand jokes
2019-01-25 03:38 <Ubit> 
ACTION hides

2019-01-25 04:04 <danbanner> there 'land show' too
2019-01-25 04:05 <Tampa> osmantis is apparently asleep
2019-01-25 04:05 <Tampa> Anyways, yeah let me find that, apparently creating alias for the commands is fairly simple
2019-01-25 04:06 <danbanner> appearance/attachment show as well
2019-01-25 04:06 <BillBlight> and evidently learing and using the actual commands is too difficult ..
2019-01-25 04:06 <danbanner> config show
2019-01-25 04:09 <Tampa> config show... no I think that actually seems reasonable
2019-01-25 04:09 <Tampa> "show lands" sounds... odd
2019-01-25 04:09 <Tampa> "show parcels" more like
2019-01-25 04:42 <Tampa> This is like that thing with pineapple and every other language calling it some variation of ananas
2019-01-25 04:46 <Tampa> show parcels works, though not just an alias but a simpler version of the command not having the code for specifying land id
2019-01-25 05:06 <Tampa> config show already has config get as alias?
2019-01-25 09:47 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-25 13:00 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-25 15:26 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-25 15:31 <BillBlight> It appears somepeople need idiot proofing more than others ...
2019-01-25 15:54 <Tampa> You want some steak with that salt?
2019-01-25 16:00 <BillBlight> How many of  your customers have jumped ship again?
2019-01-25 16:02 <BillBlight> @Tampa I do take serious things serious, I have setup test beds, helped people I don't even know test and troubleshoot problems with opensimulator, spent hours working through issues, for strangers. Where you don't help anybody unless you personally gain something from it  ..
2019-01-25 16:08 <Tampa> Where have I heard that argument before..
2019-01-25 16:08 <BillBlight> I'm sure you hear it a lot, when talking about you ..
2019-01-25 16:17 <Tampa> I'm not sure what has crawled over your bed sheets this morning, but within a discussion about a potential issue that could hint at further problems such rude and sarcastic remarks are not helpful in any way
2019-01-25 16:21 <BillBlight> People have been TOLD that waiting at least 20 seconds between TP's is highly warrented for a while, regardless of how "it worked before" so it is not a pontential issue, it just does not work the way you want it to.  But whatever .. Have a nice day ..
2019-01-25 16:29 <Tampa> People have been told a lot of things historically, listening to that has not always ended well. This particular case is interesting from a few perspectives in regards to how terrain sending as a whole works. Making it more robust against failures, trying to resend if it is not present or even being able to purposefully not send terrain for regions that have it obfuscated anyways is actually an interesting discussion, so excuse me for 
2019-01-25 16:29 <Tampa> trying to work out what's going on.
2019-01-25 16:32 <BillBlight> It is simple, if your child is still in the previous region and you TP back it assumes you never left and does not send terrain, if your child poofs too fast before the region you go to has you completely the viewer crashes.  HG TP's have been more stable than I have ever seen them, unless you try suicidal few second TPs
2019-01-25 16:33 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-25 16:33 <Tampa> The curious part is the fact it just appears to be terrain this happens to
2019-01-25 16:34 <Tampa> Sure it is an edge case if anything
2019-01-25 16:34 <BillBlight> " it assumes you never left and does not send terrain"
2019-01-25 16:34 <Tampa> I fiddle with the terrain code last year trying to not send tiles, never quite worked that out though
2019-01-25 16:35 <BillBlight> exactly what Ubit said on that mantis "if a region has you as child agent, it will not send terrain.
2019-01-25 16:35 <BillBlight> teleporting back in less than some 20s will cause that.
2019-01-25 16:35 <BillBlight> that region will only show you terrain if you get out of view range and connection is closed
2019-01-25 16:35 <BillBlight> "
2019-01-25 16:35 <BillBlight> so if your connection is never closed, it does not send you terrain again
2019-01-25 16:36 <Tampa> If the viewer clears it, it is then missing, does the viewer know this, can we ask it if it knows or perhaps just simply detect someone was trying to shoot to themselves to the moon and send them some terrain to land on
2019-01-25 16:37 <Tampa> How reasonable is that within detection to not send terrain twice when not needed
2019-01-25 16:37 <BillBlight> about as resonable as not TP'ing every 1 second
2019-01-25 16:38 <Tampa> I do agree no one needs to idiot proof against malice, though this may also occur on failed teleports depending on where they fail at, also edge case, again, still. Historically I do recall that after lengthy HG travel coming back home to my 4x4 I often had to relog cause of missing terrain
2019-01-25 16:39 <BillBlight> Yes it is an old bug, but it is much better now, and can almost be eliminated by not trying to commit TP suicide ..
2019-01-25 16:40 <BillBlight> And it mainly happens on slow regions where comms fail
2019-01-25 16:40 <Tampa> The ultimate solution would be a new caps, "rebake terrain" forcefully making the region send it all again, which... I mean I have seen terrain tiles stuck with the wrong texture just recently on a larger var
2019-01-25 16:41 <BillBlight> good luck getting that added to the viewer
2019-01-25 16:42 <Tampa> Assuming the viewer has no terrain, if one is send, is there any feedback about it or does it just shoot the tile toward it and cares none if it ever reaches the viewer?
2019-01-25 16:42 <BillBlight> terrain is fire and forget, unless it changes
2019-01-25 16:42 <BillBlight> AFAIK, the viewer does not request terrain
2019-01-25 16:43 <BillBlight> It only accepts what is sent to it
2019-01-25 16:43 <Tampa> Does only actual change count or could trying to terraform without permissions trigger the update too?
2019-01-25 16:44 <BillBlight> from what I have seen working with someone developing a headless bot client, ONLY changes are sent after initial landing, there is no way to request the terrain
2019-01-25 16:47 <Tampa> Complicated problem to solve with viewers not being cooperative when it would make sense such as this case, then again also interesting since if it does not complain about missing terrain why even send it for regions that don't need it
2019-01-25 16:48 <Tampa> Removing terrain increases framerates massively, I tried making a config option to disable sending terrain a while ago, but some terrain patches always remained for some reason
2019-01-25 16:51 <Tampa> Problem is also if we do detect whether they are being an idiot teleporting so quickly, sending loads of terrain after them to fix it = spam so where is the threshold if the viewer remains silent
2019-01-25 16:53 <BillBlight> Personally the fix, for me would be to have the region just deny them if they are still a child
2019-01-25 16:53 <BillBlight> and just left
2019-01-25 16:54 <Tampa> Question is does such a delay add issues elsewhere where fast teleports are completely fine
2019-01-25 16:56 <Tampa> Boils down to whats the bigger issue, too quick teleports or potential teleport fails due to hardcoded delay, you'll make someone mad either way anyways :)
2019-01-25 16:57 <Tampa> An acknowledged issue with no possible fix, like world politics
2019-01-25 16:57 <BillBlight> It is not unreasonable to say, "Let the destination region get you and the source region let you go before you try to go back, takes about 20 seconds"  
2019-01-25 16:58 <BillBlight> which is exactly what Ubit said on that mantis
2019-01-25 16:59 <Tampa> Evil thought: Forcefully delay the teleport dialog at least that amount to make sure they don't get funny
2019-01-25 17:00 <BillBlight> Better yet just let them be idiots
2019-01-25 17:00 <BillBlight> You shoot yourself in the foot, not my job to give you kevlar shoes
2019-01-25 17:10 <Plugh> lunch time. bbl.
2019-01-25 17:14 <osmantis> Bug #8114:04 [PATCH] Giving possibility to add/remove estate manager via simulator console. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8114 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-25 17:15 <osmantis> Bug #8114:04 [PATCH] Giving possibility to add/remove estate manager via simulator console. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8114 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-25 18:54 <osmantis> Bug #8114:04 [PATCH] Giving possibility to add/remove estate manager via simulator console. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8114 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-25 19:02 <osmantis> Bug #8114:04 [PATCH] Giving possibility to add/remove estate manager via simulator console. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8114 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-25 19:04 <Ubit> Hey... Tampa and Bill... stop silly fights, specially on mantis
2019-01-25 19:48 <osmantis> Bug #8114:04 [PATCH] Giving possibility to add/remove estate manager via simulator console. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8114 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-25 19:51 <osmantis> Bug #8114:04 [PATCH] Giving possibility to add/remove estate manager via simulator console. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8114 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-25 19:52 <osmantis> Bug #8114:04 [PATCH] Giving possibility to add/remove estate manager via simulator console. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8114 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-25 21:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #6158 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-25 21:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6158: SUCCESS in 6 min 36 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6158/
2019-01-25 21:09 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: a few changes on priority queues and their heap
2019-01-25 21:09 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mess around with prioritizer
2019-01-25 21:09 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: cleanup dead code
2019-01-25 21:09 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: changes on sog boundingbox and other cleanup
2019-01-25 21:09 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: cleanup
2019-01-25 21:09 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: some sop cleanup
2019-01-25 21:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #6159 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-25 21:22 <Ubit> oops
2019-01-25 21:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6159: FAILURE in 1 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6159/
2019-01-25 21:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: script mono is meaningless for us
2019-01-25 21:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #6160 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6158 32 min ago)
2019-01-25 21:35 <Ubit> Bill no need to run away on a build fail :p
2019-01-25 21:36 <Ubit> damm
2019-01-25 21:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6160: STILL FAILING in 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6160/
2019-01-25 21:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ok take the all change
2019-01-25 21:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #6161 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #6158 37 min ago)
2019-01-25 21:46 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-01-25 21:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6161: FIXED in 5 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6161/
2019-01-25 21:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ok i said all ( lie )
2019-01-25 22:05 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-26 16:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #6162 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-01-26 16:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6162: SUCCESS in 5 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6162/
2019-01-26 16:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change encoding of a few event caps messages
2019-01-26 17:52 <osmantis> Bug #8463:04 i cant make the correct configuration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8463 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-01-26 21:33 <osmantis> Bug #8463:04 i cant make the correct configuration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8463 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-27 11:17 <osmantis> Bug #8463:04 i cant make the correct configuration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8463 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2019-01-27 15:29 <osmantis> Bug #8456:04 Terrain and water missing on all visible regions on teleporting between grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8456 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-27 17:13 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-01-27 17:33 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-27 22:13 <djphil> Osgrid Forum Fully broken :(
2019-01-27 22:14 <djphil> and similar problem on website
2019-01-27 22:44 <Ubit> broken or with lag ?
2019-01-27 22:44 <djphil> haaa, is back now
2019-01-28 00:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #6163 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-28 00:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6163: SUCCESS in 6 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6163/
2019-01-28 00:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change encoding of a another event cap message
2019-01-28 02:42 -!- ChristophBalhaus(~Christoph@h2516096.stratoserver.net) has left #opensim-dev
2019-01-28 03:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #6164 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-28 03:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6164: SUCCESS in 6 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6164/
2019-01-28 03:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: forgotten locks on ubode
2019-01-28 04:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #6165 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-28 04:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6165: SUCCESS in 5 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6165/
2019-01-28 04:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change encoding of event cap messages
2019-01-28 04:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #6166 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-28 04:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6166: SUCCESS in 6 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6166/
2019-01-28 04:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a try catch on HandleMapItemRequest
2019-01-28 07:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #6167 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-28 07:49 <Tampa> lol
2019-01-28 07:50 <Ubit> this must be a first on win :)
2019-01-28 07:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6167: SUCCESS in 7 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6167/
2019-01-28 07:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8457: ok ok shutup the warning
2019-01-28 07:55 <Ubit> see jenkins took 1 minute extra looking for the warning :)
2019-01-28 08:59 <osmantis> Bug #8462:04 0.9.1.0 Snail Dev NPCs osAgentSaveAppearance create a xml without textures When BakedTextureService is enable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8462 ): La siguiente incidencia ha sido ACTUALIZADA.
2019-01-28 09:45 <osmantis> Bug #8457:04 Squish last compiler warning - Region\ScriptEngine\Shared\CodeTools\OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Shared.CodeTools.csproj 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8457 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-28 09:57 <osmantis> Bug #8457:04 Squish last compiler warning - Region\ScriptEngine\Shared\CodeTools\OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Shared.CodeTools.csproj 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8457 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-28 10:33 <osmantis> Bug #8457:04 Squish last compiler warning - Region\ScriptEngine\Shared\CodeTools\OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Shared.CodeTools.csproj 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8457 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-28 10:47 <osmantis> Bug #8465:04 Nothing loads, nothing rezzes, and can't move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8465 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-01-28 13:25 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-28 14:27 <osmantis> Bug #8465:04 Nothing loads, nothing rezzes, and can't move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8465 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-28 15:10 <osmantis> Bug #8465:04 Nothing loads, nothing rezzes, and can't move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8465 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-28 15:29 <osmantis> Bug #8465:04 Nothing loads, nothing rezzes, and can't move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8465 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-28 15:34 <osmantis> Bug #8465:04 Nothing loads, nothing rezzes, and can't move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8465 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-28 15:46 <osmantis> Bug #8465:04 Nothing loads, nothing rezzes, and can't move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8465 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-28 15:51 <osmantis> Bug #8465:04 Nothing loads, nothing rezzes, and can't move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8465 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-28 15:58 <osmantis> Bug #8465:04 Nothing loads, nothing rezzes, and can't move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8465 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-28 16:03 <osmantis> Bug #8465:04 Nothing loads, nothing rezzes, and can't move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8465 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-28 16:31 <osmantis> Bug #8465:04 Nothing loads, nothing rezzes, and can't move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8465 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-28 16:51 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2019-01-28 16:54 <Tampa> Welp that's broken
2019-01-28 19:40 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2019-01-28 21:15 <osmantis> Bug #8465:04 Nothing loads, nothing rezzes, and can't move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8465 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-28 21:17 <osmantis> Bug #8465:04 Nothing loads, nothing rezzes, and can't move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8465 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-28 21:20 <osmantis> Bug #8465:04 Nothing loads, nothing rezzes, and can't move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8465 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-28 21:21 <osmantis> Bug #8465:04 Nothing loads, nothing rezzes, and can't move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8465 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-28 21:23 <osmantis> Bug #8465:04 Nothing loads, nothing rezzes, and can't move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8465 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-01-28 21:26 <BillBlight> you need to get off your high horse Paela, some people have just as much or more experience with linux server and server environments as you do, your way is not always the BEST way, get over yourself ..
2019-01-28 21:28 <osmantis> Bug #8465:04 Nothing loads, nothing rezzes, and can't move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8465 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-29 06:00 <osmantis> Bug #8465:04 Nothing loads, nothing rezzes, and can't move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8465 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-29 06:19 <osmantis> Bug #8465:04 Nothing loads, nothing rezzes, and can't move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8465 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-29 06:40 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-29 06:41 <Tampa> What's gotten into her...
2019-01-29 06:41 <Tampa> Why is everyone so grumpy lately
2019-01-29 06:47 <osmantis> Bug #8465:04 Nothing loads, nothing rezzes, and can't move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8465 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-29 06:49 <osmantis> Bug #8465:04 Nothing loads, nothing rezzes, and can't move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8465 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-29 06:59 <osmantis> Bug #8465:04 Nothing loads, nothing rezzes, and can't move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8465 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-29 07:37 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-29 08:01 <osmantis> Bug #8465:04 Nothing loads, nothing rezzes, and can't move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8465 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-29 08:01 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-29 08:22 <Tampa> Never seen that error with different sizes before, well once, but different story, interesting
2019-01-29 08:23 <Tampa> Really wonder what this guy has setup for it to behave this way
2019-01-29 09:03 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-29 09:04 <osmantis> Bug #8465:04 Nothing loads, nothing rezzes, and can't move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8465 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-29 09:05 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-29 09:24 <BillBlight> Dan says he has that exact same build running on Wright Plaza, and as overloaded as Wright is , if it is not frezzing there and stuff loads fine, I highly doubt it is systemic problem with the code.
2019-01-29 09:25 <BillBlight> Only time I can get even close to replicating this is by intentionally creating a runaway script ..
2019-01-29 09:30 <Ubit> its multiple regions per instance issue i guess
2019-01-29 09:30 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-29 09:57 <Tampa> Could probably fix this in a couple of minutes with system access
2019-01-29 09:58 <Tampa> Not sure what those two are doing to their poor simulators
2019-01-29 09:59 <BillBlight> That could be the case too
2019-01-29 10:01 <Tampa> What do...
2019-01-29 11:59 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2019-01-29 12:03 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-29 12:05 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-29 12:08 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-29 12:27 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-29 12:27 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-29 13:07 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-29 13:16 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-29 13:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #6168 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-29 13:57 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-29 13:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6168: SUCCESS in 8 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6168/
2019-01-29 13:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubode replace a locklessqueue by .net concurrentqueue
2019-01-29 14:13 <osmantis> Bug #8465:04 Nothing loads, nothing rezzes, and can't move 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8465 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-29 19:42 <misterblue> is there still an OS developer's meeting?
2019-01-29 19:43 <Ubit> going on
2019-01-29 19:45 <misterblue> where is it?
2019-01-29 19:47 <Ubit> osg dev outreach region
2019-01-29 19:55 <Ubit> 2 alicias :)
2019-01-29 19:55 <Ubit> and both raven
2019-01-29 20:09 <AliciaRaven> net snot, eew was stuck for a while Ubit lol
2019-01-29 20:11 <Plugh> Hey there, misterblue
2019-01-29 20:12 <misterblue> hey there... brb
2019-01-29 21:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #6169 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-29 21:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6169: SUCCESS in 6 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6169/
2019-01-29 21:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change encoding few event cap messages
2019-01-29 21:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #6170 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-29 21:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6170: SUCCESS in 5 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6170/
2019-01-29 21:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
2019-01-29 21:25 <djphil> @ Ubit : Can you confirm that for the osDrawText function, the variable string text is hard-filtered with "trim" or something similar
2019-01-29 21:26 <Ubit> no idea :p
2019-01-29 21:26 <djphil> can you check that for me please ?
2019-01-29 21:26 <djphil> before i do a mantis :p
2019-01-29 21:26 <Ubit> not now :(
2019-01-29 21:26 <djphil> np ...
2019-01-29 21:26 <djphil> when you have 5' :)
2019-01-29 21:29 <Ubit> why you are losing spaces?
2019-01-29 21:30 <djphil> yes, and as you can imagine, this causes undesirable behavior
2019-01-29 21:30 <Ubit> wlel there where no changes since last time there was a change :p
2019-01-29 21:31 <Ubit> and thats a lot of time now ;)
2019-01-29 21:32 <djphil> Heh! I just saw it with a script recently created ... and I could see that only now
2019-01-29 21:32 <Ubit> but alpha blending was working and now i had to change it
2019-01-29 21:32 <Ubit> mb drawtext change also ???
2019-01-29 21:33 <Ubit> and you know size of chars and space do change on some fonts?
2019-01-29 21:33 <djphil> Yes pz, remove the "trim"
2019-01-29 21:33 <Ubit> don't thing there is nonw
2019-01-29 21:33 <Ubit> but can't check now
2019-01-29 21:34 <Ubit> nonw? my keyb is so creative uff
2019-01-29 21:34 <djphil> yes i know !=  letters, i have tested with Courier New ;)
2019-01-29 21:34 <djphil> i have translated my lsl script to php to test result with/without trim ... :p
2019-01-29 21:36 <djphil> When I add the trim in my php then I result identical to lsl ... bad !
2019-01-29 21:40 <Ubit> yeap guess there was a trim there since ever
2019-01-29 21:42 <djphil> Let's break it!
2019-01-29 21:43 <Ubit> well confusing bc it turns into TEXT thetext;
2019-01-29 21:44 <Ubit> or TEXTthetext;
2019-01-29 21:44 <djphil> you mean lowercase / uppercase ?
2019-01-29 21:45 <Ubit> or textthetext; 
2019-01-29 21:45 <Ubit> actually is Text thetext
2019-01-29 21:46 <djphil> it really seems that spaces are removed
2019-01-29 21:46 <Ubit> nextLine = nextLine.Trim() i told u so :p
2019-01-29 21:47 <djphil> yep! comment that out pz! :p
2019-01-29 21:50 <djphil> If we want to delete the spaces, we have llTrim () to do it
2019-01-29 21:51 <Ubit> Access Denied
2019-01-29 21:51 <Ubit> You don't have permission to access "http://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.string.substring?" on this server.
2019-01-29 21:51 <Ubit> Reference #18.f081002.1548798651.5296d35 
2019-01-29 21:51 <Ubit> what hell '??
2019-01-29 21:51 <Ubit> vs is crazy
2019-01-29 21:51 <Ubit> well url is https
2019-01-29 21:52 <djphil> is redirect to https automaticly for me
2019-01-29 21:53 <Ubit> for some reason its http for me on that
2019-01-29 21:53 <djphil> you still use your old computer?
2019-01-29 21:54 <djphil> i also thought that osDrawPixel could be interesting ... :p
2019-01-29 21:54 <Ubit> no
2019-01-29 21:54 <Ubit> and other keywords work fine
2019-01-29 21:55 <Ubit> vs sends https, something turns it http and then refuses
2019-01-29 21:55 <Ubit> bahh
2019-01-29 21:56 <Ubit> i just updated it
2019-01-29 21:56 <Ubit> guess a new bug
2019-01-29 21:56 <djphil> Interessing .... you have Trojan Horse :p
2019-01-29 21:57 <Ubit> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.string.substring?f1url=https%3A%2F%2Fmsdn.microsoft.com%2Fquery%2Fdev15.query%3FappId%3DDev15IDEF1%26l%3DEN-US%26k%3Dk(System.String.Substring)%3Bk(TargetFrameworkMoniker-.NETFramework%2CVersion%3Dv4.6)%3Bk(DevLang-csharp)%26rd%3Dtrue
2019-01-29 21:58 <Ubit> thats what vs asks for
2019-01-29 21:59 <djphil> well space is a caracter ...
2019-01-29 21:59 <djphil> 0 is a number .
2019-01-29 21:59 <djphil> ..:p
2019-01-29 22:00 <djphil> we need to be able to print osDrawText(string drawList, "           Hello world!           ")
2019-01-29 22:02 <Ubit> don't see why
2019-01-29 22:02 <Ubit> thats nothing printed
2019-01-29 22:02 <Ubit> and you should use move to place things 
2019-01-29 22:03 <djphil> no, move don't help in this case ...
2019-01-29 22:03 <Ubit> but try that
2019-01-29 22:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #6171 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-29 22:03 <djphil> :) ty
2019-01-29 22:03 <Ubit> i see no need to take trim out, but well
2019-01-29 22:03 <djphil> i will test it
2019-01-29 22:04 <Ubit> you are going to get in trouble with those spaves
2019-01-29 22:04 <Ubit> and spaces
2019-01-29 22:04 <djphil> if you whant i can send you my script to test before/after lol
2019-01-29 22:05 <Ubit> oops
2019-01-29 22:06 <djphil> that exactly what append actually with osDrawText
2019-01-29 22:06 <djphil> http://digigrids.no-ip.org/sierpinski_triangle_01.php
2019-01-29 22:06 <djphil> (with hard trim)
2019-01-29 22:07 <djphil> and that is the same without trim
2019-01-29 22:07 <djphil> http://digigrids.no-ip.org/sierpinski_triangle_02.php
2019-01-29 22:07 <djphil> the second result is valid :)
2019-01-29 22:08 <djphil> Give me 5' to update and test inworld
2019-01-29 22:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6171: SUCCESS in 5 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6171/
2019-01-29 22:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: try to not lose start and end spaces in osDrawText
2019-01-29 22:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #6172 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-29 22:13 <misterblue> Speaking of Sierpinski Triangles: https://misterblue.com/justview/justview.html?b=sierpinski_triangle_122572_prims_01&v=mergedmaterials
2019-01-29 22:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6172: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6172/
2019-01-29 22:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: actually .. do take the trim out
2019-01-29 22:14 <djphil> oops slow loading :o but working fine :)
2019-01-29 22:14 <djphil> how many prims ?
2019-01-29 22:15 <misterblue> the original OAR file had 122572 prims
2019-01-29 22:15 <djphil> Ouch!
2019-01-29 22:15 <misterblue> that's after optimization for display in a browser
2019-01-29 22:15 <djphil> yeap i read a bit what you do with Bazil and oar converter
2019-01-29 22:16 <djphil> is very very interessing
2019-01-29 22:16 <misterblue> I'm working on a region module that optimizes the region for sending to a viewer
2019-01-29 22:17 <misterblue> rather than sending the original, editable region content to the viewer, a viewer only needs displayable info
2019-01-29 22:17 <djphil> Finally someone does it :)
2019-01-29 22:18 <djphil> only displayable infos is a bit a "static world" ...
2019-01-29 22:19 <misterblue> region content is mostly static... objects with scripts can be dynamic and when editting
2019-01-29 22:20 <djphil> It depends on the region, come see me at home ... lol
2019-01-29 22:20 <misterblue> editing is 'rare' (not much of the time a region exists) so it needs some accommodation 
2019-01-29 22:21 <misterblue> I'd like OS objects to have a 'static' tag so a creator can specify it doesn't move/change
2019-01-29 22:21 <djphil> You remember SpotON3D ... it was fully editable, script, windlight and everything ...
2019-01-29 22:21 <misterblue> without that, an optimizer has to guess
2019-01-29 22:22 <misterblue> I remember that.. wonder what happened to it
2019-01-29 22:23 <djphil> There was a problem reading I think ...
2019-01-29 22:23 <djphil> licence *
2019-01-29 22:24 <djphil> Domage that it no longer exists :s
2019-01-29 22:24 <djphil> Fortunately Bazil is a promising alternative :)
2019-01-29 22:43 <djphil> @ Ubit : https://pastebin.com/gqsrbDiQ
2019-01-29 22:43 <djphil> 100% Broken :p
2019-01-29 23:02 <Ubit> This page has been removed!
2019-01-29 23:05 <djphil> https://pastebin.com/ktp05Dmr
2019-01-29 23:06 <djphil> and this is on console https://pastebin.com/Qjj3tyK3
2019-01-29 23:07 <djphil> expire 1 hour :p
2019-01-29 23:07 <Ubit> not sure 1h is enough
2019-01-29 23:07 <Ubit> :p
2019-01-29 23:08 <djphil> np, i can reproduce this bug :p
2019-01-29 23:10 <Ubit> CommandList = osDrawText( CommandList, "Hello, World!" ); worked fine
2019-01-29 23:11 <Ubit> what was yr comand ?
2019-01-29 23:13 <djphil> my comand build the sierpinski triangle
2019-01-29 23:13 <djphil> sin't just a "hello world!"
2019-01-29 23:13 <Ubit> show me
2019-01-29 23:13 <djphil> can you try with that
2019-01-29 23:14 <djphil> cmd = osDrawText( cmd, "                    Hello, World!" );
2019-01-29 23:14 <djphil> i get error here
2019-01-29 23:14 <Ubit> worked fine
2019-01-29 23:14 <djphil> i have tested with this scipt
2019-01-29 23:14 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8442
2019-01-29 23:14 <djphil> hmmm strange :s
2019-01-29 23:15 <Ubit> that script has no text
2019-01-29 23:15 <djphil> ooops sorry, my bad
2019-01-29 23:15 <djphil> i test on a wrong prim lol
2019-01-29 23:15 <djphil> lets me send you the sierpinski triangle script (lsl)
2019-01-29 23:16 <Ubit> the only thing that can cause that error is cmd = TEXT;
2019-01-29 23:16 <djphil> cmd = osDrawText( cmd, txt );
2019-01-29 23:16 <Ubit> btw ; can't be used on this lol
2019-01-29 23:17 <Ubit> yeap big smoke
2019-01-29 23:17 <BillBlight> So in that respect it would be more like sansar , where you would have to enter edit mode than actually have a region that is dynamic   , not a fan, but I guess I can see some of the speed benefits ..
2019-01-29 23:17 <djphil> i found the problem
2019-01-29 23:17 <djphil> a typo
2019-01-29 23:18 <Ubit> what typo ?
2019-01-29 23:18 <djphil> try that
2019-01-29 23:18 <djphil> cmd = osDrawText( cmd, "\n" );
2019-01-29 23:18 <Ubit> who told you you can use \n there ??
2019-01-29 23:19 <djphil> to return at next line lol
2019-01-29 23:19 <djphil> is just a test ...
2019-01-29 23:19 <Ubit> next line is  osMovePen(
2019-01-29 23:19 <djphil> it can yes
2019-01-29 23:19 <djphil> but \n work too ...
2019-01-29 23:19 <Ubit> miracle if it does
2019-01-29 23:19 <djphil> it do
2019-01-29 23:20 <djphil> on my var txt i have a lot of \n
2019-01-29 23:20 <djphil> txt += "\n";
2019-01-29 23:20 <djphil> just work fine !
2019-01-29 23:20 <djphil> but this not cmd = osDrawText( cmd, "\n" );
2019-01-29 23:21 <Ubit> ok does not to carriage return
2019-01-29 23:21 <Ubit> do...
2019-01-29 23:29 <djphil> Your patch is fine, solve the problem, tyvm Ubit :)
2019-01-29 23:33 <Ubit> nahh need to prevent that error
2019-01-29 23:33 <djphil> true
2019-01-29 23:33 <Ubit> and now idea how \n does anything
2019-01-29 23:33 <Ubit> not clear on ms docs
2019-01-29 23:34 <Ubit> ...no idea..
2019-01-29 23:35 <djphil> let me test is this error is present before the patch too
2019-01-29 23:37 <djphil> cmd = osDrawText( cmd, "\n" ); do NOT return a error before the patch
2019-01-29 23:39 <Ubit> yeap but did nothing either
2019-01-29 23:39 <djphil> true :p
2019-01-29 23:39 <djphil> but this do
2019-01-29 23:39 <djphil> txt += "\n";
2019-01-29 23:39 <Ubit>   \n alone or at end is deleted
2019-01-29 23:40 <djphil> ha ok ... and why ??? :o
2019-01-29 23:40 <djphil> (lol)
2019-01-29 23:40 <Ubit> you where not suposed to use \n
2019-01-29 23:40 <djphil> ... why not :o
2019-01-29 23:40 <Ubit> bc this is graphics draw
2019-01-29 23:41 <Ubit> not textbox etc higher level draw
2019-01-29 23:41 <djphil> well try to move a osDrawFilledPolygon with move pen ...
2019-01-29 23:41 <Ubit> not sure what linux does on this
2019-01-29 23:50 <djphil> llok here Ubit http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8459
2019-01-29 23:50 <djphil> if you delete \n you will break a lot of existing scripts
2019-01-29 23:50 <djphil> i know a lot using \n in osDrawText function
2019-01-29 23:52 <Ubit> why blendface on that ?
2019-01-29 23:53 <djphil> tansparent board can bee nice! with glow etc ...
2019-01-29 23:53 <Ubit> why blendface again?
2019-01-29 23:53 <Ubit> :p
2019-01-29 23:53 <djphil> grrr ask the script owner lol
2019-01-29 23:54 <Ubit> you told him to change things :p
2019-01-29 23:54 <djphil> true
2019-01-29 23:55 <djphil> some boards blend text witha  background texture
2019-01-29 23:55 <Ubit> set bgcolor
2019-01-29 23:56 <djphil> Noooo, a picture
2019-01-29 23:56 <Ubit> ok but that does seem the case
2019-01-29 23:56 <djphil> eg: degraded color or background with some predefined text ... TOTAL, USERS, IN GAME, SCORES etc ...
2019-01-29 23:57 <djphil> There I see the difference between the programmer and the user :p
2019-01-30 00:05 <BillBlight> you mean a scoreboard like this 
2019-01-30 00:05 <BillBlight> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6gajuqo7irex5w2/Snapshot_010.png?dl=0
2019-01-30 00:05 <djphil> yes, similar
2019-01-30 00:13 <Ubit> try now
2019-01-30 00:13 <djphil> look that https://imgur.com/a/R0VFpUo
2019-01-30 00:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #6173 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-30 00:16 <Ubit> nice its dif on linux 
2019-01-30 00:16 <Ubit> lol
2019-01-30 00:16 <djphil> maybee the font ...
2019-01-30 00:17 <djphil> a lot of difference with fonts on linuw/windows
2019-01-30 00:17 <Ubit> vertical spacing or size
2019-01-30 00:17 <djphil> ha oki
2019-01-30 00:18 <Ubit> hard to see line by line
2019-01-30 00:18 <Ubit> but all image is shorter on vertical
2019-01-30 00:19 <djphil> :(
2019-01-30 00:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6173: SUCCESS in 5 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6173/
2019-01-30 00:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few changes to last commits
2019-01-30 00:20 <Ubit> Sets the font size used by subsequent Text commands. The size parameter represents the font height in points. 
2019-01-30 00:20 <Ubit> Please note that the font height is given in points, not in pixels. The resulting size of the font in pixels may vary depending on the system settings, specifically the display system's "dots per inch" metric. A system set to 96dpi will produce differently sized text than a system set to 120dpi. If precise text size is required, consider using the osGetDrawStringSize() function to help calculate the proper FontSize value to use (but bear in 
2019-01-30 00:20 <Ubit> mind that osGetDrawStringSize() takes an integer parameter for the size, whereas FontSize does use floating-point values). 
2019-01-30 00:20 <Ubit> Unlike the other drawing commands, anything following a decimal point in the size parameter is significant. 
2019-01-30 00:20 <Ubit> on our wiki
2019-01-30 00:25 <djphil> Well, here! :)
2019-01-30 00:25 <Ubit> <8.000000, 15.000000, 0.000000> on linux
2019-01-30 00:25 <Ubit> llSay(0,(string)osGetDrawStringSize( "vector", "*", "Courier New", 10));
2019-01-30 00:26 <Ubit> <12.686629, 16.770830, 0.000000> on win
2019-01-30 00:27 <djphil> the last patch work perfectly Ubit, 0 errors now with \n :)
2019-01-30 00:27 <Ubit> ok
2019-01-30 00:28 <Ubit> funny looks same on horizontal
2019-01-30 00:29 <djphil> the big difference is on x
2019-01-30 00:29 <Ubit> but on result its on y
2019-01-30 00:29 <djphil> the magie
2019-01-30 00:33 <Ubit>  Also, the DrawString method adjusts glyph points to optimize display quality and might display a string narrower than reported by MeasureString. 
2019-01-30 00:33 <Ubit> uff
2019-01-30 00:38 <djphil> And there are also the special characters, you remember
2019-01-30 00:38 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8095
2019-01-30 00:38 <Ubit> have fun with that :p
2019-01-30 00:39 <djphil> i search a script exemple to write a lot of text with different fonts
2019-01-30 00:39 <djphil> i have one somewhere ... a lot of fonts don't existe on Linux
2019-01-30 00:39 <djphil> default win/linux fonts are not same
2019-01-30 00:40 <Ubit> no miracles...
2019-01-30 00:40 <djphil> only magie :p
2019-01-30 00:43 <Ubit> made a change
2019-01-30 00:44 <Ubit> noe windows reports  <8.001301, 15.104166, 0.000000>
2019-01-30 00:44 <djphil> Mmmm big change!
2019-01-30 00:45 <Ubit> damm this mb a breaking change :(
2019-01-30 00:45 <Ubit> but old code did not produce good results
2019-01-30 00:47 <Ubit> well i actually didn't the match :p
2019-01-30 00:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #6174 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-30 00:47 <Ubit> you will do it :p
2019-01-30 00:47 <Ubit>  that was on win
2019-01-30 00:48 <Ubit> damm this things changed in .net ??
2019-01-30 00:49 <djphil> ha i found ! http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7825
2019-01-30 00:50 <Ubit> ewll guess thats a unsupported font
2019-01-30 00:50 <djphil> yep
2019-01-30 00:51 <Ubit> OOPS
2019-01-30 00:51 <djphil> have you read the treath on kitely forum ?
2019-01-30 00:51 <Ubit> now linux says
2019-01-30 00:52 <Ubit>  <1.000000, 26.000000, 0.000000>
2019-01-30 00:52 <djphil> https://www.kitely.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3059
2019-01-30 00:52 <Ubit> crap
2019-01-30 00:52 <djphil> ouch :s
2019-01-30 00:52 <Ubit> what hell 
2019-01-30 00:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6174: SUCCESS in 5 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6174/
2019-01-30 00:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change GetDrawStringSize so result better matchs rendering size
2019-01-30 00:53 <Ubit> the result on win looked closer to real
2019-01-30 00:53 <Ubit> but a disaster on linux
2019-01-30 00:53 <Ubit> lol
2019-01-30 00:53 <djphil> there is a similar story with chrome / ie and ff you know ^^
2019-01-30 00:53 <Ubit> <8.000000, 15.000000, 0.000000> original linux
2019-01-30 00:54 <Ubit> well bad
2019-01-30 00:54 <Ubit> reverting
2019-01-30 00:54 <djphil> ouf, no updates yet
2019-01-30 00:56 <djphil> in 2019 we have also "web fonts" like Google Fonts ...
2019-01-30 00:57 <djphil> for "modern" app's like Bill likes :p
2019-01-30 00:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #6175 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-30 00:59 <Ubit> uff good i have a linux box again
2019-01-30 00:59 <djphil> just to try ... https://pastebin.com/1JUEAu1J ;)
2019-01-30 01:00 <Ubit> well ok imlazy i use master git to update it :)
2019-01-30 01:00 <Ubit> well on linux you can install more fonts
2019-01-30 01:00 <Ubit> guess also on win
2019-01-30 01:00 <djphil> yes
2019-01-30 01:01 <Ubit> possible payed :p
2019-01-30 01:01 <djphil> yes again lol
2019-01-30 01:03 <Ubit> <8.000000, 15.000000, 0.000000> ok linux more sane again
2019-01-30 01:03 <Ubit> no idea what that <1.000000, 26.000000, 0.000000> result was :)
2019-01-30 01:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6175: SUCCESS in 5 min 36 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6175/
2019-01-30 01:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops that went bad on linux, reverting
2019-01-30 01:05 <Ubit> you need to use moveto to get that identical on win and linux :p
2019-01-30 01:05 <djphil> well the font height isn't the same ... :p
2019-01-30 01:06 <Ubit> moveto  put a * ,moveto put...
2019-01-30 01:06 <djphil> we need lineHeight
2019-01-30 01:06 <Ubit> this was the thing suposed to tell that
2019-01-30 01:06 <Ubit> seen the result :p
2019-01-30 01:06 <djphil> height of * can be different on linux/win
2019-01-30 01:06 <djphil> with different fonts
2019-01-30 01:07 <Ubit> same font
2019-01-30 01:07 <Ubit> its yr script
2019-01-30 01:07 <djphil> yes mom, give me 5' to update :p
2019-01-30 01:12 <djphil> i forget to mention to you, now we have 0 warning or error on win10 compile/build console
2019-01-30 01:12 <Ubit> i know
2019-01-30 01:12 <Ubit> i had to shutup tampa
2019-01-30 01:13 <djphil> arffff (lol)
2019-01-30 01:13 <Ubit> now he wants also the last 1 warning on linux out :)
2019-01-30 01:13 <Ubit> bahh opensim withou warnings.. nonsense
2019-01-30 01:13 <djphil> that probably the first time i see that on opensim
2019-01-30 01:14 <djphil> LAst patch seams ok, work fine for me
2019-01-30 01:14 <Ubit> well last was a revert lol
2019-01-30 01:16 <djphil> win result: https://imgur.com/a/X9CwfEk
2019-01-30 01:22 <Ubit> yeap but not so simetric on linux
2019-01-30 01:23 <djphil> on the width you mean ?
2019-01-30 01:24 <Ubit> more compact on vetical
2019-01-30 01:24 <Ubit> also a bit on H, but more on V
2019-01-30 01:24 <djphil> ok
2019-01-30 01:25 <Ubit> well the change i tried is what ms recomends to get better match
2019-01-30 01:25 <Ubit> but yeackkk
2019-01-30 01:26 <Ubit> try changin that to put each * in right spot
2019-01-30 01:26 <Ubit> with a mess of moveto
2019-01-30 01:26 <djphil> ggod luck! ^^
2019-01-30 01:27 <Ubit> well not that hard
2019-01-30 01:27 <Ubit> just think a bit :p
2019-01-30 01:27 <djphil> Mmmm
2019-01-30 01:27 <djphil> what ?
2019-01-30 01:27 <Ubit> well must be a bit more than just Mmmm
2019-01-30 01:28 <djphil> can i close the Mantis 8442 ?
2019-01-30 01:29 <Ubit> and 7825
2019-01-30 01:29 <djphil> lol
2019-01-30 01:29 <Ubit> since its machine dependent
2019-01-30 01:30 <djphil> i can only turn it to "confirmed" (lol)
2019-01-30 01:33 <djphil> 8095 remains
2019-01-30 01:53 <Plugh> osGetDrawStringSize now returns proper result when using different font and font options?
2019-01-30 01:53 <Ubit> its like before
2019-01-30 01:54 <Plugh> ok
2019-01-30 06:06 <osmantis> Bug #8467:04 [SCRIPT] Old graphic remain visible after recompile script with osSetDynamicTextureDataBlendFace 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8467 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2019-01-30 06:14 <BillBlight> Isn't blend face supposed to blend with the existing texture, so if you don't clear it it blends with the previous blended texture
2019-01-30 06:15 <djphil> that wrong i think ...
2019-01-30 06:15 <BillBlight> I don't think so
2019-01-30 06:15 <djphil> try by adding/removing a graphic
2019-01-30 06:15 <BillBlight> there is no way for the script to know if the current applied texture is one that was created dynamically or one you applied
2019-01-30 06:15 <djphil> if you remove the filledpoly from script ... it remain on the texture
2019-01-30 06:16 <BillBlight> yes because that texture got applied to the prim so when you do it again it blends with the existing texture
2019-01-30 06:17 <BillBlight> I always clear and reset the texutures when doing blend face
2019-01-30 06:17 <djphil> The old must be deleted i think ...
2019-01-30 06:17 <djphil> Like osSetDynamicTextureDataFace do
2019-01-30 06:18 <BillBlight> I think you are mistaken, the previous blend texture becomes the texture, so when you tell it to blend it blends with the set texture
2019-01-30 06:18 <BillBlight> yes the other command is not blending it is replacing
2019-01-30 06:19 <djphil> i not agree with that
2019-01-30 06:19 <BillBlight> ok so , I apply a texture to a  prim, and I want to dynamically blend with it, and the command removes the texture on the prim there is nothing left to blend with
2019-01-30 06:19 <osmantis> Bug #6702:04 llDetectedLinkNumber not work in Collision Event 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6702 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-30 06:19 <djphil> I really think that we must be reset ... especially if I recompile the script!
2019-01-30 06:19 <BillBlight> it blends with the texture currently on the prim
2019-01-30 06:20 <BillBlight> even if that texutre was created dynamically
2019-01-30 06:20 <djphil> isn't really blend .. i seams a sort of mask hover
2019-01-30 06:20 <BillBlight> so if it is blank, you remove the texture it has nothing to mask over
2019-01-30 06:21 <djphil> i say that bc when i clic on the prim i see first the graph deleted and second the background ...
2019-01-30 06:21 <djphil> is deleted in two times ...
2019-01-30 06:21 <BillBlight> I use that exact thing for my scoreboard and it works fine
2019-01-30 06:22 <BillBlight> because I clear and set the base texture 
2019-01-30 06:22 <djphil> yes if you set each time the bg texture that work
2019-01-30 06:22 <BillBlight> that is how it is supposed to work
2019-01-30 06:22 <djphil> Hmmm ...
2019-01-30 06:23 <BillBlight> even in your test script you commented out  // llSetTexture(TEXTURE_BLANK, 0);
2019-01-30 06:23 <djphil> yep that why this line is there lol
2019-01-30 06:23 <BillBlight> yep
2019-01-30 06:23 <djphil> i made multiple tests before repport it
2019-01-30 06:24 <BillBlight> even in the example script on the wiki it has llSetTexture(TEXTURE_PLYWOOD, face);
2019-01-30 06:25 <djphil> yep polliwood is more pretty no ?
2019-01-30 06:25 <BillBlight> but you can set any texture
2019-01-30 06:25 <BillBlight> as your base
2019-01-30 06:25 <djphil> and better represents the possibility of exploiting it
2019-01-30 06:25 <BillBlight> it even sais it modifys an existing texture
2019-01-30 06:25 <BillBlight> 	UUID of already existing dynamic texture. Intended to accept UUID from a previous call to osSetDynamicTextureXXXX functions in order to provide modification of an existing dynasmic texture
2019-01-30 06:25 <djphil> it create a new texture ...
2019-01-30 06:26 <djphil> not modify the existing ...
2019-01-30 06:26 <BillBlight> it says that right on the wiki
2019-01-30 06:26 <djphil> a temporary texture
2019-01-30 06:26 <BillBlight> provide modification of an existing dynasmic texture
2019-01-30 06:26 <djphil> the original bg remain unmodified ...
2019-01-30 06:26 <djphil> and can be reutilised ...
2019-01-30 06:27 <BillBlight> ok well good I run my own fork because if this gets changed I'll not use it
2019-01-30 06:27 <BillBlight> have about 100 scripts I'd have to fix
2019-01-30 06:29 <BillBlight> maybe try using it how the example actually says it is supposed to be used
2019-01-30 06:30 <djphil> I do not think we would need a modification of your 100 scripts ... it's just a matter of emptying the old generated texture before creating the new one
2019-01-30 06:30 <BillBlight> pretty sure it is not getting the generated texture it is getting the texture already blended on the face
2019-01-30 06:31 <BillBlight> so it assumes you want to blend it again if you did not clear it
2019-01-30 06:31 <BillBlight> allows you to blend multiple times
2019-01-30 06:31 <djphil> you can not change the original background texture ... otherwise it will be permanently changed and will be unusable other part on another object
2019-01-30 06:32 <BillBlight> it does not perm change that texture it replaces it with a dynamic one, but ok, have fun ..
2019-01-30 06:32 <djphil> eg a wood background for a borad can be a wood background for a wall on a house ... (the same texture)
2019-01-30 06:32 <djphil> board*
2019-01-30 06:34 <djphil> reapply each time the background texture is a workaround of the problem, it solves it but it is not a very clean solution if initially the problem is in the function
2019-01-30 06:35 <BillBlight> it is not a work around it is how the example says it is supposed to be used
2019-01-30 06:35 <djphil> ...
2019-01-30 06:35 <BillBlight> so the function works as intended, just not how you want it to work
2019-01-30 06:36 <djphil> i can see the difference :p
2019-01-30 06:39 <BillBlight> so your mantis is more of a feature reuquest than a bug report
2019-01-30 06:39 <djphil> In my mind it is a bug ...
2019-01-30 06:40 <BillBlight> but per the documentation it works as intended
2019-01-30 06:40 <osmantis> Bug #8468:04 [SCRIPT] MovePen has no effect on osDrawPolygon  and osDrawFilledPolygon 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8468 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2019-01-30 06:40 <BillBlight> if you goto http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsSetDynamicTextureDataBlendFace and scroll down to the "With blending" section you will see they are clearing the textured in the example ..
2019-01-30 06:41 <djphil> and this is another one :p
2019-01-30 06:45 <djphil> Try this Bill
2019-01-30 06:45 <djphil> compile the script with the rectangle ... you will see the black rectangle
2019-01-30 06:45 <djphil> now comment out  the rectangle line and add the line with the triangle
2019-01-30 06:45 <djphil> You will see the triangle but also the rectangle ... it's really not normal, sorry
2019-01-30 06:46 <osmantis> Bug #8468:04 [SCRIPT] osMovePen has no effect on osDrawPolygon  and osDrawFilledPolygon 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8468 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2019-01-30 06:48 <BillBlight> hate to tell you this but it is, but ok, you can disagree, because when you draw dynamic it draws on the texture already applied even if that texture was a previous dynamic texture, but feel free to disagree ..  glad I don't have to change it
2019-01-30 06:49 <Tampa> I kinda... rely on that for a couple scripts actually, reduces draw calls massively
2019-01-30 06:50 <BillBlight> yep so do I
2019-01-30 06:51 <BillBlight> you draw a square, and you then later in the script want to add a circle, you don't have to draw a square and a circle
2019-01-30 06:52 <djphil> all old dynamic texture created remain indefinitly on the assetcache directory
2019-01-30 06:52 <djphil> it gradually inflates your assetcache file, it's horrible
2019-01-30 06:52 <BillBlight> that is why I clear my asset caches weekly
2019-01-30 06:53 <djphil> well i just whant to draw a square and after a circle, not both
2019-01-30 06:53 <BillBlight> then just set a blank texture in between
2019-01-30 06:53 <djphil> or moving the square, not duplicate ...
2019-01-30 06:53 <djphil> etc ... etc ..
2019-01-30 06:53 <djphil> blend != multiply
2019-01-30 06:53 <BillBlight> setting a blank texture from static assets is faster than creating a blank dynamic asset
2019-01-30 06:54 <BillBlight> if you blend something that is already blended it certainly does == multiply
2019-01-30 06:55 <BillBlight> you want to change the code so you don't have to add llSetTexture(TEXTURE_BLANK, 0);
2019-01-30 06:55 <BillBlight> which solves your issue
2019-01-30 06:55 <Tampa> Okay so I think the best solution would be an optional parameter at the end to specify if you want the texture cleared beforehand or not, default would be as is now and if the parameter is given then it clears the texture to blank
2019-01-30 06:56 <djphil> good idea Tampa, not allways to blank ... but to the original bg
2019-01-30 06:56 <Tampa> I say blank because keeping the information for the original background somewhere... sounds like a lot more work than just going blank
2019-01-30 06:56 <djphil> in the exemple script with the map texture
2019-01-30 06:57 <djphil> each time you clic on it to refresh, you can see the texture remplaced in two times
2019-01-30 06:58 <djphil> it makes me think that the textures are separated and superimposed
2019-01-30 06:58 <BillBlight> how is that any diff than just adding llSetTexture("somesillytexture", 0); to the command before it, then no code changes are needed
2019-01-30 06:59 <djphil> lol Bill
2019-01-30 06:59 <BillBlight> that "option" would essentially make the same call
2019-01-30 06:59 <BillBlight> and no change to the code is needed to do that
2019-01-30 06:59 <Tampa> it would, but it would shut him up also lol
2019-01-30 06:59 <BillBlight> LOL
2019-01-30 07:00 <Tampa> Can always add functionality if it is optional I'd say
2019-01-30 07:01 <BillBlight> but a useless change to code , for something that even in the examples tells you how to handle it
2019-01-30 07:02 <djphil> we do not need the old chart anymore when we recompile ... so why should it stay ... ?
2019-01-30 07:03 <BillBlight> because it was the applied textured
2019-01-30 07:03 <BillBlight> you don't always want to clear the texture on a recompile, only when new data arrives
2019-01-30 07:05 <djphil> to preserve the old man does not make sense
2019-01-30 07:05 <djphil> have you a exemple ?
2019-01-30 07:05 <djphil> keep the old one does not make sense*
2019-01-30 07:05 <djphil> sorry, bad google translate :s
2019-01-30 07:07 <osmantis> Bug #8468:04 [SCRIPT] osMovePen has no effect on osDrawPolygon  and osDrawFilledPolygon 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8468 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2019-01-30 07:08 <osmantis> Bug #8468:04 [SCRIPT] osMovePen has no effect on osDrawPolygon  and osDrawFilledPolygon 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8468 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2019-01-30 07:08 <BillBlight> My scoreboard is a good example, don't want the thing to go blank, want the old scores to stay there, until new scores roll in or I tell it to clear
2019-01-30 07:09 <BillBlight> so I don't have to redraw it everytime I recompile or reset it
2019-01-30 07:10 <djphil> is a separate prim for each score ?
2019-01-30 07:10 <BillBlight> no
2019-01-30 07:10 <BillBlight> the scoreboard is one prim
2019-01-30 07:10 <djphil> you can't overwrite a old without deleting first
2019-01-30 07:10 <BillBlight> yep and I just to llSetTexture
2019-01-30 07:10 <BillBlight> when new scores roll in to clear it, then the new scores get drawn and the background gets blended
2019-01-30 07:11 <djphil> well then you recreate a complete texture :p
2019-01-30 07:11 <BillBlight> yes but not on a recompile or reset
2019-01-30 07:11 <BillBlight> only when I choose to
2019-01-30 07:11 <djphil> true ... but the problem is same lol
2019-01-30 07:11 <djphil> hahaha
2019-01-30 07:11 <BillBlight> no , because it never was a problem
2019-01-30 07:11 <djphil> ;)
2019-01-30 07:13 <BillBlight> On another note had an infinity mirror that I blended, blended , blended, blended, each time changiing the size of the blend so I wanted the previouis texture to stay
2019-01-30 07:13 <BillBlight> made it look like a picture of a picture of a picture of a picture
2019-01-30 07:14 <djphil> a sort of fractal :)
2019-01-30 07:14 <BillBlight> yep something like that
2019-01-30 07:14 <BillBlight> and what you suggest would prevent that without preparing each image in advance
2019-01-30 07:15 <BillBlight> and not doing it dynamically
2019-01-30 07:15 <djphil> for that using "sprites" is nice :)
2019-01-30 07:15 <BillBlight> again why do somthing different when we have it, and the only thing needed to solve your issue is NOT commenting out // llSetTexture(TEXTURE_BLANK, 0); as you did
2019-01-30 07:16 <BillBlight> This really a case of NOT using something the way the example and the function tells you to use it, and wanting it to work the way you want it ..  Not always a bad thing, but in this case why ..
2019-01-30 07:17 <djphil> well I think it's a fractal you want to draw while it's normal to ask script to do all the stretches ... but it's not normal that if you delete a line in a script, the script still creates the old deleted path from the script
2019-01-30 07:17 <BillBlight> it is not creating it
2019-01-30 07:17 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-30 07:17 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-30 07:17 <BillBlight> it is just drawing over the top of it because that texture is already applied
2019-01-30 07:18 <BillBlight> and you did not // llSetTexture(TEXTURE_BLANK, 0);
2019-01-30 07:18 <BillBlight> as it clearly says to do
2019-01-30 07:18 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-30 07:21 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-30 07:42 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-30 07:46 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-30 07:47 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-30 07:48 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-30 07:48 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-30 07:48 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-30 07:49 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-30 07:49 <Tampa> Running out of ideas on that one pretty soon
2019-01-30 07:50 <BillBlight> yep
2019-01-30 07:51 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-30 07:52 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-30 07:54 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-30 07:55 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-30 07:57 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-30 09:57 <osmantis> Bug #6702:04 llDetectedLinkNumber not work in Collision Event 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6702 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-30 10:18 <Tampa> It's odd that the script needs a recompile and not just a reset to figure out that more links have joined the linkset
2019-01-30 11:02 <BillBlight> according to the SL wiki llDetectedLinkNumber will return 0 in collision_start and collision_end events of VolumeDetect objects (SVC-2996).
2019-01-30 11:03 <BillBlight> so it is to spec, but SL must have changed the spec
2019-01-30 11:03 <Tampa> The script works walking around on it, but it seems to not update when reset only when recompiled
2019-01-30 11:04 <Tampa> Like edit, remove ;, add ;, hit save
2019-01-30 11:04 <Tampa> Just pressing Reset the added links don't change color
2019-01-30 11:04 <Ubit> well is there a bug on that or not?
2019-01-30 11:05 <osmantis> Bug #6702:04 llDetectedLinkNumber not work in Collision Event 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6702 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-30 11:05 <Tampa> Not sure yet, have not finished testing, rl busy
2019-01-30 11:05 <BillBlight> according to the sl wiki http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlDetectedLinkNumber
2019-01-30 11:05 <BillBlight> it returns 0 on collsions and volume detect
2019-01-30 11:07 <BillBlight> but I guess that is only in volume detect, it reads weird to me
2019-01-30 11:08 <Ubit> llDetectedLinkNumber will return 0 in collision_start and collision_end events of VolumeDetect objects
2019-01-30 11:08 <Ubit> mks sense volume dtc is a linkset thing ( still at least)
2019-01-30 11:08 <BillBlight> but I guess it should work with regular collision
2019-01-30 11:09 <BillBlight> after reading that wiki 6 times
2019-01-30 11:18 <Tampa> Okay so numberofprims reports that new prims were added to the linkset, but they dont change color until I force a recompile on the script
2019-01-30 11:19 <Tampa> llDetectedLinkNumber(0) seems to not update or something
2019-01-30 11:20 <Tampa> All the prims from the original linkset report their number when stepped on, the new added ones either collision does not fire or llDetectedLinkNumber(0) reports nothing
2019-01-30 11:22 <Tampa> Collision does fire, but the link number is not in the detected array it appears
2019-01-30 11:29 <osmantis> Bug #6702:04 llDetectedLinkNumber not work in Collision Event 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6702 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-30 11:34 <BillBlight> Maybe shoudl test this in Yengine as well as X
2019-01-30 11:35 <Ubit> im testing on Y
2019-01-30 11:35 <Ubit> same thing
2019-01-30 11:44 <Ubit> actually should work on x
2019-01-30 11:44 <Ubit> err no
2019-01-30 11:45 <Tampa> Yeah is kaput
2019-01-30 11:45 <Tampa> tutti kaputti
2019-01-30 11:47 <Ubit> it sl on root prim it tells 1 or always 0 ??
2019-01-30 11:50 <Ubit> why use of heavy collision and not start/end ? gezz
2019-01-30 12:02 <Ubit> err how did it work for you tampa???
2019-01-30 12:02 <Tampa> After adding prims?
2019-01-30 12:03 <Ubit> code did not sent right link number
2019-01-30 12:03 <Ubit> so how did it work for you ???
2019-01-30 12:04 <Tampa> The script from the mantis ticket works perfectly fine, just not when adding prims after the script was compiled
2019-01-30 12:04 <Ubit> no it did not
2019-01-30 12:04 <Tampa> Works for me, ubode, XEngine
2019-01-30 12:04 <Ubit> only collision_start did sent linknumber on X, none on y
2019-01-30 12:05 <Ubit> err oops on it worked on X :p
2019-01-30 12:05 <Tampa> Yes, I run master code so... ought to work if it does for me
2019-01-30 12:06 <Ubit> yeap just rechecked seems worked on x
2019-01-30 12:06 <Tampa> So this going to be "fixed" or?
2019-01-30 12:07 <Ubit> changing my fix :)
2019-01-30 12:08 <Tampa> I'm scared
2019-01-30 12:08 <Ubit> :p
2019-01-30 12:08 <Tampa> I mean I guess I'll just wait for the commit to happen
2019-01-30 12:09 <Ubit> well guess its mainly a y fix then
2019-01-30 12:09 <Tampa> Don't forget adding prims they are not picked up
2019-01-30 12:09 <Tampa> on either engine
2019-01-30 12:09 <Ubit> hmm ??
2019-01-30 12:10 <Tampa> If you add prims into the linkset with that script in it and reset the script, it reports that it has more prims but the detected does not fire
2019-01-30 12:11 <Tampa> Like numberofprims 4, prim 1,2,3 say hi if I step on them, 4 remains silent
2019-01-30 12:11 <Tampa> Have to change the script and recompile it to pick up on the new prims
2019-01-30 12:11 <Ubit> odd
2019-01-30 12:12 <Tampa> It is, cause I could swear this worked before, but I guess maybe the script even being reset the detected array is not expanded or something
2019-01-30 12:12 <Ubit> hmm thats a issue on link i guess
2019-01-30 12:14 <Ubit> not even reset
2019-01-30 12:14 <Tampa> Have to recompile the script
2019-01-30 12:14 <Tampa> The collision event does not pick them up I guess
2019-01-30 12:14 <Ubit> no its a issue on link not setting script events
2019-01-30 12:15 <Tampa> Prims I add collision collision_start collision_end does not fire for them, only the original ones do
2019-01-30 12:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #6176 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-30 12:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6176: SUCCESS in 6 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6176/
2019-01-30 12:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 6702: fix collisions lldetectedlinknumber also on Yengine
2019-01-30 12:39 <osmantis> Bug #6702:04 llDetectedLinkNumber not work in Collision Event 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6702 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-30 12:40 <Ubit> changed the scritp to use start/end a lot less lag
2019-01-30 12:40 <Ubit>     collision_end(integer num_detected){ 
2019-01-30 12:40 <Ubit>         if(prim_pisado == llDetectedLinkNumber(0))
2019-01-30 12:40 <Ubit>             prim_pisado = -1; 
2019-01-30 12:40 <Ubit> and collision changed to _start
2019-01-30 12:43 <osmantis> Bug #6702:04 llDetectedLinkNumber not work in Collision Event 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6702 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-30 12:45 <Ubit> does it work on X and Y now? :)
2019-01-30 13:47 <Tampa> Will test, sorry had to shovel snow again
2019-01-30 13:48 <Ubit> glad i dont have that here
2019-01-30 13:49 <Ubit> well guess i would just let it there until sun melting
2019-01-30 13:58 <Tampa> If Jenkins didn't get stuck on every other build these days, stupid java crap, gimme some time to kick its teeth in and I'll test
2019-01-30 14:21 <Tampa> Okay so on X still have to recompile the script to detect new prims in the linkset, switching to Y to test the commit now
2019-01-30 14:21 <Ubit> same issue on Y
2019-01-30 14:22 <Ubit> it is somewhere else as i said
2019-01-30 14:22 <Ubit> on link code
2019-01-30 14:22 <Ubit> nto going to look to that swap now
2019-01-30 14:22 <Ubit> swano
2019-01-30 14:23 <Ubit> and swamp
2019-01-30 14:24 <Tampa> I mean suit yourself though at some point someone will have to, because I am pretty sure the intended behavior is for this to detect the new links
2019-01-30 14:25 <Ubit> i should not even allow linking on physcal prims :p
2019-01-30 14:29 <Tampa> osRecompileScript()
2019-01-30 14:33 <Tampa> Okay works on YEngine now, still broken link thing though, that's slightly annoying, but oh well
2019-01-30 14:35 <osmantis> Bug #6702:04 llDetectedLinkNumber not work in Collision Event 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6702 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-30 14:41 <Ubit> :p
2019-01-30 14:41 <Ubit> as i said that is a swamp
2019-01-30 14:42 <Tampa> So... drain the swamp...
2019-01-30 14:42 <Ubit> :p
2019-01-30 14:42 <Tampa> Hehe, nah it can wait... for someone else to report it
2019-01-30 14:42 <Ubit> just reset the damm scripts after rebuild :p
2019-01-30 14:43 <Ubit> err or recompile
2019-01-30 14:43 <Tampa> If only the viewer had a damn recompile button next to the reset one
2019-01-30 14:43 <Ubit> yeap
2019-01-30 14:43 <Ubit> reset all scripts is also damm slow
2019-01-30 14:44 <Ubit> i end up opening the editor
2019-01-30 14:44 <Ubit> and to recompile we do need to mk a change :)
2019-01-30 14:46 <Tampa> Could make reset always issue a recompile perhaps, though that sounds like a bigger pain
2019-01-30 14:46 <Ubit> bad
2019-01-30 14:47 <Tampa> Nah sounds like a great idea, I can see that never going wrong /s
2019-01-30 14:47 <Ubit> bad idea
2019-01-30 19:57 <osmantis> Bug #8466:04 On -dev, presence lost after teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8466 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-30 19:57 <osmantis> Bug #8466:04 On -dev, presence lost after teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8466 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2019-01-31 06:01 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 06:21 <djphil> @ misterblue https://imgur.com/a/dY4vDEt another one :)
2019-01-31 07:43 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 07:44 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 07:48 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 08:12 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 08:37 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 08:39 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 09:08 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 09:11 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 09:19 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 09:21 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 09:27 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 09:28 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 09:56 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 10:26 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 10:28 <osmantis> Bug #6702:04 llDetectedLinkNumber not work in Collision Event 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6702 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 10:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #6177 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-31 10:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6177: SUCCESS in 6 min 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6177/
2019-01-31 10:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do update physics script events on link ( this does need another cleanup one day
2019-01-31 11:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #6178 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-31 11:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6178: SUCCESS in 5 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6178/
2019-01-31 11:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
2019-01-31 12:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #6179 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-31 12:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6179: SUCCESS in 5 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6179/
2019-01-31 12:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
2019-01-31 12:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #6180 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-31 12:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6180: SUCCESS in 5 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6180/
2019-01-31 12:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove MRM module (minimodule). Its outdated and we have no maintainers. Thanks to all that worked on it. You should either use scripts or a full region module. Or revert this commit and update its code ;)
2019-01-31 12:25 <Ubit> better run runprebuild after this last
2019-01-31 13:08 <Tampa> Next up lets throw out ODE, simian, vivox, cause no one bothers to update that either lol
2019-01-31 13:08 <Ubit> 
ACTION slaps tampa 

2019-01-31 13:08 <Ubit> :p
2019-01-31 13:08 <Tampa> After all the effort I am expensing to figure out how to get rid of that warning...
2019-01-31 13:08 <Ubit> i think i did told u i planed to removed it
2019-01-31 13:09 <Ubit> actually you helped me decided to do it now :p
2019-01-31 13:09 <Ubit> decide
2019-01-31 13:10 <Tampa> Whatever I guess, the two folks that were using it these days
2019-01-31 13:10 <Ubit> what two folks ?
2019-01-31 13:11 <Tampa> Figure of speech, some people still used it for creating a telehub on var regions and to send popups
2019-01-31 13:11 <Ubit> ys but telehubs got fixed
2019-01-31 13:11 <Tampa> Wasn't it the only thing that could send custom popups to the viewer?
2019-01-31 13:12 <Ubit> don't think so
2019-01-31 13:13 <Ubit> viewers can only show a few things
2019-01-31 13:13 <Ubit> and we do have code for those
2019-01-31 13:13 <AliciaRaven> standard region module can do ANYTHING, minimod just used by people that dont understand standard modules
2019-01-31 13:14 <Ubit> and we try to improve ossl 
2019-01-31 13:15 <Ubit> well not hard to save it still and mk it a external module
2019-01-31 13:15 <Tampa> I guess throwing out old code is progress though I'd rather see it updated and improved, but meh
2019-01-31 13:16 <Ubit> no comments :p
2019-01-31 13:17 <Ubit> who uses simian grid btw ??
2019-01-31 13:20 <Tampa> I do remember seeing a grid that did, though it was small and weird
2019-01-31 13:20 <Tampa> probably cause it was german
2019-01-31 13:20 <Tampa> Something with avatar script time bs
2019-01-31 13:24 <BillBlight> why would you need MRM telehubs anymore when actual telehubs work?
2019-01-31 13:29 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 13:30 <Tampa> Not saying I need them, saying they are still being used, stop shooting the messenger I'm already full of holes
2019-01-31 13:30 <BillBlight> But you make such an easy target ... :P
2019-01-31 13:31 <Tampa> Stop making fun of my weight that's not fair ;P
2019-01-31 13:32 <BillBlight> Just because if you stepped out in front of my car I'd have to hit you, because not enough gas to go around you, does not mean I am making fun of your weight .. :P
2019-01-31 13:33 <Tampa> I am not paying for the frame damage though, that's on you
2019-01-31 13:33 <BillBlight> HAHA
2019-01-31 13:35 <Tampa> I should probably come clean and say I was the stunt double for the wrecking ball in that one popular music video ;P
2019-01-31 13:35 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 13:35 <Tampa> ffs that damn mantis ticket
2019-01-31 13:39 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 13:44 <Tampa> I'm picturing a headless chicken running around screaming for help
2019-01-31 13:46 <BillBlight> Hard to get through to people that , IF this was actually a major issue, more than 2 people would be seeing it, all of osGrid would be seeing it, and we have had them on regions running the same code and NOT had the issue, but yet it is a "Problem with the code" to them ...
2019-01-31 13:47 <BillBlight> But at least one of them is willing to inspect the hardware
2019-01-31 13:50 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 13:52 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 13:52 <Tampa> "attaching files, what's that"
2019-01-31 13:53 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 13:53 <Tampa> oh c'mon
2019-01-31 13:53 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 13:54 <BillBlight> O M G
2019-01-31 13:55 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 13:56 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 13:58 <BillBlight> this one is gonna go down in the history books as one of the longests that accomplished nothing , I think ..
2019-01-31 13:59 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 14:00 <Tampa> Watch him not jump on that -.-
2019-01-31 14:04 <BillBlight> would be better to offer to set them up attached to osgrid
2019-01-31 14:05 <BillBlight> YAY I think my real internet is back ... I shall return shortly
2019-01-31 14:06 <Tampa> Yeah, but that would mean dealing with the unpredictable nature of OSGrid, I want to remove variables from the issue
2019-01-31 14:07 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 14:07 <BillBlight> I have regions perm attached to osgrid and I really don't have any issues with them
2019-01-31 14:09 <Tampa> I no longer have either, but the osgrid build I use I have increased the timeouts tenfold, since then everything works most of the time
2019-01-31 14:10 <Tampa> Same thing for metro, well at least when it was being hammered by the osg refugees back then
2019-01-31 14:51 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 15:07 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 17:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #6181 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-31 17:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6181: SUCCESS in 5 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6181/
2019-01-31 17:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubode add position to pid control it stopped flying to prevent slow drifts
2019-01-31 17:31 <Ubit> it? if!
2019-01-31 18:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #6182 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-01-31 18:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6182: SUCCESS in 5 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6182/
2019-01-31 18:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change default config: allow grid gods by default, if you don't trust grid admins what are you doing there?; disable most god powers unless god level is requested on viewer
2019-01-31 18:17 <Tampa> lol
2019-01-31 19:21 <Plugh> Can bad mesh cause high CPU runtimes for an OS instance?
2019-01-31 19:24 <Ubit> yes
2019-01-31 19:27 <Plugh> ok. That's probably what's happening. Can't find the bad mesh from the error messages being thrown to the log file. Not enough info.
2019-01-31 19:57 <Tampa> Make OAR, delete one piece at a time until you find the right one, then reload OAR, delete just that
2019-01-31 20:02 <Plugh> yea, I've done that before. It's a pain. Not much of a choice I suppose. It would be nice if the mesh decode errors propagated up the chain so that a report including the objects UUID could be output.
2019-01-31 20:02 <Ubit> i said nothing about decode errors..
2019-01-31 20:02 <AliciaRaven> one peice at a time? nope, delete half, then half again, till u narrow down the area
2019-01-31 20:03 <Ubit> ie 2d binary search :)
2019-01-31 20:07 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: yea, that's more or less what I've done before when it turned out to be a physical prim positioned partly in to the ground.
2019-01-31 20:08 <Plugh> Ubit, Failed to decode mesh is the only red text messages being seen in the region during startup.
2019-01-31 20:09 <Plugh> Oh, well. At least I'll get some more billable hours tracking down the bad prim(s).
2019-01-31 20:09 <Tampa> So long as the region starts, I also had mesh terminate during startup, that's really no fun
2019-01-31 20:09 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2019-01-31 20:10 <Plugh> The region is starting up ok. Around the time it begins starting scripts is around the time the CPU load imposed by the region goes up a lot. No scripts in the region had run times over 1 and I've already tried turning off scripts.
2019-01-31 20:13 <Tampa> Any RayCasts?
2019-01-31 20:15 <Plugh> No idea.
2019-01-31 20:17 <Tampa> Are both llName2Key and llRequestUserKey no longer in use?
2019-01-31 20:21 <djphil> llRequestUserKey from Mandarinka tasty is implemented now ?
2019-01-31 20:21 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8369
2019-01-31 20:22 <djphil> I have not seen implemented
2019-01-31 20:24 <Tampa> Oh so old simulator code then, sorry
2019-01-31 20:25 <Tampa> Yes appears that is a stale ticket then
2019-01-31 20:25 <Tampa> Uh neat, a patch :D
2019-01-31 20:31 <djphil> llRequestUserKey isn't implemented yet, just test it now :p
2019-01-31 20:34 <Tampa> The patch still applies without error to master
2019-01-31 20:34 <Tampa> Time to build and test :D
2019-01-31 20:37 <osmantis> Bug #8469:04 proposal, rename "OpenSimConsoleHistory.txt"  to ConsoleHistory.txt 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8469 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-01-31 20:49 <osmantis> Bug #8469:04 proposal, rename "OpenSimConsoleHistory.txt"  to ConsoleHistory.txt 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8469 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 20:50 <Tampa> Apparently I cannot add relations to issues already assigned, wut
2019-01-31 20:53 <djphil> Well 8333 is closed but you can 8469 related to 8333
2019-01-31 20:56 <osmantis> Bug #8469:04 proposal, rename "OpenSimConsoleHistory.txt"  to ConsoleHistory.txt 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8469 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 20:58 <Tampa> Ubit, does the syntax highlighting caps only provide the ones for ossl or all of them?
2019-01-31 20:58 <Ubit> all
2019-01-31 20:58 <Ubit> if viewers allow change
2019-01-31 20:58 <Tampa> So I guess llRequestUserKey is either not part of it or Firestorm does not allow that?
2019-01-31 20:59 <Ubit> was not added
2019-01-31 20:59 <Tampa> The patch works by the way so...
2019-01-31 21:03 <Ubit> i didn't like a few things on it, so waiting :p
2019-01-31 21:04 <djphil> That's what we do, no choice :p
2019-01-31 21:05 <Tampa> ...so post that on mantis for them to adjust the patch perhaps, pretty sure that is what it is for no?
2019-01-31 21:05 <Ubit> a patch working or seeming to work is not enought criteria :)
2019-01-31 21:06 <Ubit> ill look back to it
2019-01-31 21:06 <Ubit> hmm one day :)
2019-01-31 21:06 <Ubit> and ll made a mess
2019-01-31 21:07 <Tampa> We already got llKey2Name working as of fairly recently so this would make sense to go along with it, granted that whole dataserver thing is not something I like, but meh
2019-01-31 21:07 <Ubit> that should had beed a datarequest, async
2019-01-31 21:07 <Tampa> It also, in my eyes, needs a delay built into it
2019-01-31 21:07 <Ubit> yes ll seems to have a undoc one
2019-01-31 21:08 <Ubit> but should had been async
2019-01-31 21:08 <Ubit> like getting notecards etc
2019-01-31 21:10 <osmantis> Bug #8469:04 proposal, rename "OpenSimConsoleHistory.txt"  to ConsoleHistory.txt 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8469 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 21:12 <Tampa> rofl
2019-01-31 21:12 <Tampa> Even Bill couldn't handle that one he
2019-01-31 21:14 <Ubit> the llnametokey i did accept with changes at that time i think
2019-01-31 21:14 <Tampa> Yep
2019-01-31 21:21 <osmantis> Bug #8469:04 proposal, rename "OpenSimConsoleHistory.txt"  to ConsoleHistory.txt 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8469 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-01-31 23:37 <BillBlight> Isn't the logfile name determined by the exe.config files, can that even be set via the opensim config?
2019-02-01 00:03 <BillBlight> oh nevermind we are talking console history, duh, ok had a senior moment there ..
2019-02-01 06:20 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-01 06:23 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-01 09:01 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-01 09:05 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-01 09:15 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-02-01 09:16 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-02-01 09:19 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-02-01 09:19 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-02-01 09:29 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-01 09:52 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-01 10:23 <Tampa> So hg offline IM ain't a thing on osg huh the more you know
2019-02-01 10:34 <danbanner> no, we use flotsam groups. aint pretty but on a large grid its still much better performance than groups V2
2019-02-01 10:35 <danbanner> mebbe you need to worry about you more often and stop being a dick so much
2019-02-01 10:40 <Tampa> someones triggered
2019-02-01 10:41 <danbanner> no, just see alot of negativity coming from you
2019-02-01 10:41 <danbanner> no need for that
2019-02-01 10:41 <danbanner> i dont bad mouth your shitty grid
2019-02-01 10:42 <danbanner> or you 2 concurrent users
2019-02-01 10:42 <Tampa> uh layin on the burns, c'mon you got one more don't you
2019-02-01 11:49 <osmantis> Bug #6842:04 varregion - OARs do not restore terrain properly if larger than 256x256m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6842 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-01 11:53 <osmantis> Bug #8470:04 Proposal : Separating public and private hostnames in the configuration files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8470 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-02-01 12:06 <osmantis> Bug #8470:04 Proposal : Separating public and private hostnames in the configuration files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8470 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-01 12:10 <osmantis> Bug #6164:04 BulletSim: avatar jump does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6164 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-01 12:18 <osmantis> Bug #7556:04 Teleporting in to 4096x4096 var fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7556 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-01 12:28 <osmantis> Bug #8314:04 Map tile generation from robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8314 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008354.
2019-02-01 12:28 <osmantis> Bug #8354:04 [PATCH] Allow Grid owners to regenerate a maptile for a region manually through the use of the God Tools 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8354 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008314.
2019-02-01 12:36 <osmantis> Bug #8470:04 Proposal : Separating public and private hostnames in the configuration files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8470 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-01 12:53 <osmantis> Bug #8354:04 [PATCH] Allow Grid owners to regenerate a maptile for a region manually through the use of the God Tools 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8354 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-01 12:55 <Tampa> rofl jinxed it xD
2019-02-01 12:55 <Ubit> ?
2019-02-01 12:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #6183 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-01 12:55 <Ubit> jinxed ?
2019-02-01 12:56 <Tampa> I just added a comment to that issue saying that it does not work like generate map
2019-02-01 12:56 <Tampa> Still, this should really be throttled, maybe once every 300 seconds or so
2019-02-01 12:57 <osmantis> Bug #8354:04 [PATCH] Allow Grid owners to regenerate a maptile for a region manually through the use of the God Tools 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8354 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-01 12:57 <BillBlight> If people with god powers keep clicking it, they deserve what they get
2019-02-01 12:58 <Tampa> I mean generate map as a whole
2019-02-01 12:58 <Ubit> viewer is confusing
2019-02-01 12:58 <Ubit> its on grid, tells its debug.. well
2019-02-01 12:58 <BillBlight> if people with console access keep typing the command , they deserve what they get ....
2019-02-01 12:59 <Tampa> Same argument over the lsl delays though is it not, potential for spam -> add at least some delay
2019-02-01 12:59 <Ubit> 12:57:25 - [MAP IMAGE SERVICE MODULE]: Upload 16 maptiles for ubittest11
2019-02-01 12:59 <Ubit> well yeap :p
2019-02-01 13:00 <BillBlight> Not even the samething, the delays on LL functions , while I think they are silly, apply to everyone, only people with god powers or console access can run generate map, and you can't fix stupid
2019-02-01 13:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6183: SUCCESS in 6 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6183/
2019-02-01 13:01 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Allow Grid owners to regenerate a maptile for a region manually through the use of the God Tools
2019-02-01 13:01 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change last commit to do as console comand generate map
2019-02-01 13:02 <Tampa> Those delays can bring a region down or spam a webserver, generate map could potentially ddos robust into the ground
2019-02-01 13:02 <Tampa> To me that sounds worse
2019-02-01 13:03 <BillBlight> Anybody with god powers can bring a region down, if they are stupid
2019-02-01 13:03 <BillBlight> or console access
2019-02-01 13:04 <BillBlight> save oar 57 times from the console
2019-02-01 13:04 <BillBlight> or simply quit 
2019-02-01 13:05 <Tampa> Yeah that kills the region, but on an open grid who cares about regions going down, robust not replying is a bit worse
2019-02-01 13:05 <Tampa> Spamming robust with maptiles...
2019-02-01 13:05 <BillBlight> the maptile gen is a one way send
2019-02-01 13:06 <BillBlight> and it is literally just a filecopy, if that brings your robust down regardless of how many times someone does it, you have bigger issues
2019-02-01 13:08 <Ubit> well there is a asset also
2019-02-01 13:08 <BillBlight> yeah but the asset is a single
2019-02-01 13:09 <Ubit> and for v1 viewers i think
2019-02-01 13:09 <Tampa> I still think when there is a potential for spam it would be wise to limit it at least a little bit, if only 10-30 seconds
2019-02-01 13:09 <Ubit> cna't do that there
2019-02-01 13:09 <Ubit> well a could.. but a pain
2019-02-01 13:10 <Tampa> variable last execution time, test if time has progressed before proceed?
2019-02-01 13:27 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-01 13:49 <osmantis> Bug #8455:04 Child agents not closed cleanly when HG traveller exits grid - closes only after 60000ms no packets received timeout 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8455 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-01 14:21 <JeffKelley> Tampa : my proposal may be a not-so-good idea, but exposing port 8003 is definitely a bad idea
2019-02-01 17:00 <osmantis> Bug #8455:04 Child agents not closed cleanly when HG traveller exits grid - closes only after 60000ms no packets received timeout 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8455 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-01 18:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #6184 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-01 18:22 <Ubit> uff damm little storm, killed my power and my umbrella
2019-02-01 18:22 <Ubit> and damm cold rain :)
2019-02-01 18:23 <Ubit> and 2 of mysql dbs 
2019-02-01 18:24 <Ubit> tables i mean
2019-02-01 18:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6184: SUCCESS in 5 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6184/
2019-02-01 18:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: place a global cooldown of 2 min on god map generation
2019-02-01 18:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #6185 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-01 18:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6185: SUCCESS in 5 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6185/
2019-02-01 18:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: typos, thx
2019-02-01 19:05 <osmantis> Bug #8468:04 [SCRIPT] osMovePen has no effect on osDrawPolygon  and osDrawFilledPolygon 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8468 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-01 19:12 <osmantis> Bug #7825:04 Problem with some fonts using dynamic texture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7825 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-01 19:23 <osmantis> Bug #8462:04 0.9.1.0 Snail Dev NPCs osAgentSaveAppearance create a xml without textures When BakedTextureService is enable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8462 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-02 08:19 <osmantis> Bug #8468:04 [SCRIPT] osMovePen has no effect on osDrawPolygon  and osDrawFilledPolygon 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8468 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-02-02 08:26 <djphil> :o
2019-02-02 09:01 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-02 09:09 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-02 10:45 <osmantis> Bug #8462:04 0.9.1.0 Snail Dev NPCs osAgentSaveAppearance create a xml without textures When BakedTextureService is enable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8462 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2019-02-02 11:02 <osmantis> Bug #8468:04 [SCRIPT] osMovePen has no effect on osDrawPolygon  and osDrawFilledPolygon 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8468 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-02 11:09 <djphil> isn't just only polygone points positions + move position ?
2019-02-02 11:10 <osmantis> Bug #8462:04 0.9.1.0 Snail Dev NPCs osAgentSaveAppearance create a xml without textures When BakedTextureService is enable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8462 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-02 11:10 <djphil> That's how I do it if I want to move a polygon ...
2019-02-02 11:11 <Ubit> still on that? :p
2019-02-02 11:12 <djphil> ... yeah
2019-02-02 11:12 <Ubit> understud that part that they can be complex shapes making the use of pen position a total pain for all?
2019-02-02 11:12 <Ubit> ellipse is easy.. as center and well defined dimensions
2019-02-02 11:12 <Ubit> so does a rectangle
2019-02-02 11:12 <djphil> i not really understand
2019-02-02 11:13 <Ubit> what is a polygon ?
2019-02-02 11:13 <djphil> no matter what their positions they are all moving together
2019-02-02 11:13 <djphil> a star is a polygone eg ....
2019-02-02 11:13 <djphil> or more complexe ...
2019-02-02 11:14 <Ubit> so where is the pen postion on that ?
2019-02-02 11:14 <djphil> by default is 0, 0
2019-02-02 11:14 <djphil> and if you move it, all points of the poly move ...
2019-02-02 11:14 <djphil> where is the problem
2019-02-02 11:14 <djphil> the poly is a sprite ...
2019-02-02 11:14 <Ubit> its not, the coords are target coods
2019-02-02 11:15 <djphil> it does not change anything lol
2019-02-02 11:15 <Ubit> well i do understand why possible original designer left then free position drawing things
2019-02-02 11:16 <Ubit> they are id of the pen position, don't use it, don't change it
2019-02-02 11:16 <Ubit> so you can place them anywhere
2019-02-02 11:17 <Ubit> no need for code to go see bounding boxes blablabla
2019-02-02 11:18 <Ubit> you can mk it a "sprite" with simple script code
2019-02-02 11:18 <djphil> not usre i understand what you mean
2019-02-02 11:18 <Ubit> thats ok :)
2019-02-02 11:19 <Ubit> and there are scripts out there.. can't go change that
2019-02-02 11:19 <Ubit> already having ppl unhappy with the blend fix
2019-02-02 11:20 <Ubit> and that was a real fix :)
2019-02-02 11:20 <djphil> Well how many unhappy when Physix's changes ?
2019-02-02 11:20 <Ubit> what physx ?
2019-02-02 11:21 <djphil> You remember with mesh imports ?
2019-02-02 11:21 <Ubit> bullet did not changed ( so far )
2019-02-02 11:22 <Ubit> but again a needed change.. unlike this one on polygons
2019-02-02 11:22 <Ubit> they do work just don't be lazy :p
2019-02-02 11:23 <Ubit> do the little math you wanted the code to do, you know your star
2019-02-02 11:24 <djphil> I am a user and when I can do something with a square or a circle I find it normal to do it with a star too ... not lazy
2019-02-02 11:25 <djphil> as I can do with Imagick for example
2019-02-02 11:25 <Ubit> yes but polys can be more irregular than a star
2019-02-02 11:25 <djphil> i don't see these restriction on GD or Imagick etc ...
2019-02-02 11:26 <Ubit> ( and dyn textures are not a replacement for gimp )
2019-02-02 11:26 <djphil> it's just moving a shape
2019-02-02 11:26 <Ubit> well actually its free placement, not restricted one :p
2019-02-02 11:26 <Ubit> then make a little wrapper function grr
2019-02-02 11:27 <djphil> I'm just trying to make some suggestions and findings in order to improve
2019-02-02 11:27 <Ubit> drawMyPoly(float x, float y)
2019-02-02 11:28 <djphil> and scaleMyPoly(floatx, float, y) yes
2019-02-02 11:29 <Ubit> string scale...
2019-02-02 11:30 <Ubit> return osDrawPolygon( CommandList, [x + 20,x + 236,x + 236,x + 20], [y + 20.... );
2019-02-02 11:30 <Ubit> something like that
2019-02-02 11:31 <Ubit> if you need several placed
2019-02-02 11:32 <Ubit> scale  .. [x + 20 * scalex...
2019-02-02 11:32 <Ubit> blablabla
2019-02-02 11:33 <djphil> ...
2019-02-02 11:34 <Ubit> you could also complain bc ellipse uses and changes pen position
2019-02-02 11:34 <Ubit> bc it makes you do math
2019-02-02 11:35 <Ubit> he ellipse is drawn with the current pen size and color, with the specified width and height (in pixels), centered on a point which is (width/2) pixels to the right of the pen's current X position, and (height/2) pixels below the pen's current Y position. After the ellipse is drawn, the width and height values are added to the pen's X and Y position, 
2019-02-02 11:35 <Ubit> yeack.. see ?
2019-02-02 11:35 <Ubit> you need to keep track of the changes on pen position..
2019-02-02 11:35 <Ubit> so..  pros, cons..
2019-02-02 11:36 <Ubit> it is a incoerence on the api, from turtle like graphics to full coords, sure
2019-02-02 11:38 <Ubit> and now imagine to do the same rule with polygons.. point which is (width/2) pixels
2019-02-02 11:38 <Ubit> what is the polygon width ??
2019-02-02 11:39 <Ubit> its bounding box width at most..
2019-02-02 11:39 <Ubit> need i keep saying more? :p
2019-02-02 11:39 <djphil> all the points move together, whatever their positions.
2019-02-02 11:40 <Ubit> then code then to do so
2019-02-02 11:41 <Ubit> in fact pen should only apply to text but well ok
2019-02-02 11:42 <djphil> :o
2019-02-02 11:47 <Ubit> slandz, the official successor to the InWorldz grid, is shutting down, owner Beth Reischl announced today on the grid’s Discord channel. Residents will have ten days to wrap up any current projects. Reischl,...
2019-02-02 11:47 <Ubit> what ??
2019-02-02 11:48 <djphil> Yes I also read an article on the website hypergrid buisness about it
2019-02-02 12:40 <danbanner> beth must have some bad habit or something
2019-02-02 12:40 <danbanner> drugs, gambling, etc
2019-02-02 12:41 <danbanner> open for 10 days and already ran out of money?
2019-02-02 12:43 <Ubit> seems so
2019-02-02 12:44 <Ubit> well site seems up with no news on that
2019-02-02 12:45 <danbanner> you mean the website with picture from osgrid?
2019-02-02 12:45 <danbanner> hahaha
2019-02-02 12:46 <Ubit> yeap that one :)
2019-02-02 13:55 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-02 14:09 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-02 14:44 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-02 15:34 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-02-02 15:36 <osmantis> Bug #8462:04 0.9.1.0 Snail Dev NPCs osAgentSaveAppearance create a xml without textures When BakedTextureService is enable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8462 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-02-02 15:52 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-02 17:53 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-02 17:54 <osmantis> Bug #8464:04 Simulator Soft frezze random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-02 19:07 <osmantis> Bug #8462:04 0.9.1.0 Snail Dev NPCs osAgentSaveAppearance create a xml without textures When BakedTextureService is enable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8462 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2019-02-02 19:08 <osmantis> Bug #8462:04 0.9.1.0 Snail Dev NPCs osAgentSaveAppearance create a xml without textures When BakedTextureService is enable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8462 ): La siguiente incidencia ha sido RESUELTA.
2019-02-02 19:13 <Ubit> what tha...  whatever
2019-02-02 19:13 <osmantis> Bug #8462:04 0.9.1.0 Snail Dev NPCs osAgentSaveAppearance create a xml without textures When BakedTextureService is enable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8462 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-03 00:27 <uriesk> is it just me, or does the current master not compile?
2019-02-03 00:28 <uriesk> got 44 errors of things missing
2019-02-03 00:29 <BillBlight> compiles fine here
2019-02-03 00:29 <uriesk> ok, then nevermind, will just delete my repo and fetch it again
2019-02-03 00:29 <uriesk> thanks
2019-02-03 00:35 <BillBlight> uriesk you might be running into the issue of the prebuild.bat not being able to find your build tools... (I don't remember how to fix that)
2019-02-03 00:36 <BillBlight> runprebuild.bat that is ..
2019-02-03 00:46 <uriesk> np, it worked now
2019-02-03 00:47 <uriesk> i have so many issues in the past week, its amazing
2019-02-03 00:47 <uriesk> firestorm freezes on login when on full-screen now (4k display)
2019-02-03 00:47 <uriesk> sim freezes regularly all 20s or so
2019-02-03 00:48 <uriesk> hg tps managed to get even worse, now crashing on every single tp back to osgrid
2019-02-03 00:48 <uriesk> hopefully the issues will go away by itself, just like they suddenly appeared with no reason
2019-02-03 00:48 <BillBlight> weird, I have 2 grids running latest code, and I go back and forth between them and osgrid all day long
2019-02-03 00:49 <uriesk> yes, its probably not opensim causing those things
2019-02-03 00:49 <Ubit> see no issues either
2019-02-03 00:49 <Ubit> well lets see after this commit :p
2019-02-03 00:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #6186 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-03 00:50 <uriesk> ohh, good, will compile again then
2019-02-03 00:50 <Ubit> mb fs is messing the system ?
2019-02-03 00:51 <Ubit> try lower res ??
2019-02-03 00:51 <uriesk> yes, lower res and logins are fine
2019-02-03 00:51 <uriesk> if i make the firestorm window big... it doesn't have to be fullscreen, logins fail
2019-02-03 00:51 <Ubit> no idea if fs really handlws 4k
2019-02-03 00:52 <uriesk> it did before
2019-02-03 00:52 <uriesk> and it works with second life
2019-02-03 00:52 <uriesk> actually, it also worked with opensim
2019-02-03 00:52 <Ubit> and sl regions run on same machine? :p
2019-02-03 00:52 <uriesk> it was just from one day to another.... suddenly all logins with large window size crash
2019-02-03 00:53 <Ubit> test just login at lbsa
2019-02-03 00:53 <uriesk> did, it doesn't matter, login and lbsa and login at sandbox plaza give freeze on login too
2019-02-03 00:53 <uriesk> it does freeze at region handshake
2019-02-03 00:53 <uriesk> then i have to kill firestorm hard...
2019-02-03 00:54 <uriesk> then i login again, which gives the "already logged in" error
2019-02-03 00:54 <uriesk> then i login again, which stops at connecting to region
2019-02-03 00:54 <uriesk> then i login again, and it works (if the window size is smaller)
2019-02-03 00:55 <Ubit> glad i don't have 4k :p
2019-02-03 00:55 <uriesk> thats how bad those crashes are
2019-02-03 00:55 <uriesk> yes, lol, be glad
2019-02-03 00:55 <Ubit> well and no eyes to use 4k either
2019-02-03 00:55 <uriesk> i could write a mantis
2019-02-03 00:55 <uriesk> but idk if opensim has anything to do with it
2019-02-03 00:55 <Ubit> no idea
2019-02-03 00:55 <uriesk> it works with SL login... so
2019-02-03 00:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6186: SUCCESS in 7 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6186/
2019-02-03 00:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: optimizers are silly
2019-02-03 00:56 <Ubit> uff hope im not abusing on inline code
2019-02-03 00:56 <Ubit> 2 much can be bad also :)
2019-02-03 00:57 <uriesk> if you want, i could login with firestorm on fullscreen to an osgrid region that you have console access too, then you can see
2019-02-03 00:57 <Ubit> ive no regions there now
2019-02-03 00:57 <Ubit> mb bill
2019-02-03 00:58 <uriesk> its not such a big issue
2019-02-03 00:58 <uriesk> i have other things that worry me more right now ^^
2019-02-03 00:58 <uriesk> its just the only issue that i can reproduce
2019-02-03 00:58 <Ubit> well sad to have a screen and not use it
2019-02-03 00:58 <Ubit> fully i mean
2019-02-03 00:59 <Ubit> but then contents hardly meet 4k quality
2019-02-03 01:02 <uriesk> yes, and other applications can't really deal with 4k yet either
2019-02-03 01:02 <uriesk> have to scale all fonts or use a magnifier
2019-02-03 01:02 <BillBlight> you can try logging in directly to Dev Outreach, I have that console up, see if I see anything
2019-02-03 01:02 <Ubit> you do have vs2017 or mono 5.x ?
2019-02-03 01:02 <uriesk> are you watching it right now?
2019-02-03 01:03 <uriesk> i can do now
2019-02-03 01:03 <BillBlight> yes
2019-02-03 01:03 <uriesk> a min
2019-02-03 01:03 <Ubit> this ie me bill :p
2019-02-03 01:03 <BillBlight> hehe
2019-02-03 01:03 <BillBlight> I see that
2019-02-03 01:06 <uriesk> lol, i need a bit, 5min or so
2019-02-03 01:13 <uriesk> ok Bill, i can try now
2019-02-03 01:13 <BillBlight> I'm watching
2019-02-03 01:14 <uriesk> nice
2019-02-03 01:14 <uriesk> oh look
2019-02-03 01:14 <uriesk> the demo effect
2019-02-03 01:15 <uriesk> it worked fine and fast
2019-02-03 01:15 <uriesk> i will try Lbsa Plaza
2019-02-03 01:15 <BillBlight> was gonna say I saw nothing funny
2019-02-03 01:15 <uriesk> it was fast and things rezzed nicely
2019-02-03 01:15 <uriesk> it was perfect
2019-02-03 01:16 <uriesk> Lbsa Plaza doesn't work
2019-02-03 01:16 <uriesk> frozen at waiting for region handshake
2019-02-03 01:17 <Ubit> bill region is Dev Outreach
2019-02-03 01:17 <uriesk> yes, i logged in at Dev Outreach
2019-02-03 01:17 <uriesk> and everything was perfect and worked
2019-02-03 01:17 <Ubit> hmm ??
2019-02-03 01:18 <uriesk> aha, but no login on Lbsa Plaza
2019-02-03 01:18 <uriesk> now i kill -9 firestorm
2019-02-03 01:18 <Ubit> i was not looking to dev outreach
2019-02-03 01:18 <uriesk> i saw you there
2019-02-03 01:19 <uriesk> what are you doing different from me and from osgrid, Bill?
2019-02-03 01:19 <Ubit> you are on my region ??
2019-02-03 01:19 <uriesk> you were on dev outreach when i logged in there
2019-02-03 01:20 <BillBlight> Not doing anything different that I know of
2019-02-03 01:20 <Ubit> well someone decided to visit my region
2019-02-03 01:20 <Ubit> my poor net :p
2019-02-03 01:21 <uriesk> i can't login to mine with a large window, i can't login to Lbsa Plaza or the Sandboxes, but i can login to Bill 
2019-02-03 01:22 <BillBlight> Maybe it just has somethng to do how little stuff is on my region
2019-02-03 01:22 <Ubit> thats odd
2019-02-03 01:22 <BillBlight> there are only a couple thousand prim
2019-02-03 01:22 <BillBlight> fi that
2019-02-03 01:22 <uriesk> hmm, but idk what the window size has to do with it
2019-02-03 01:22 <BillBlight> me either
2019-02-03 01:26 <uriesk> i can't tp to Dev Outreach now, Bill
2019-02-03 01:26 <BillBlight> I don't even see you hitting the console
2019-02-03 01:26 <BillBlight> you are not getting there at all
2019-02-03 01:27 <uriesk> hrm
2019-02-03 01:27 <BillBlight> ok something just locked up the region
2019-02-03 01:29 <BillBlight> going to have to restart the instance
2019-02-03 01:29 <uriesk> what mono version are you running?
2019-02-03 01:30 <uriesk> i will just run all the same as you do, maybe then i can do a fullscreen login again
2019-02-03 01:30 <BillBlight> 5.16 on that server
2019-02-03 01:30 <BillBlight> 5.18 on my others
2019-02-03 01:30 <uriesk> ok, i already use 5.16
2019-02-03 02:12 <Ubit> sleep time. have fun
2019-02-03 02:32 <danbanner> uriesk: what bandwidth setting are you using?
2019-02-03 02:38 <uriesk> 1150 Kbps
2019-02-03 02:43 <uriesk> aaaannd setting it lower fixed it
2019-02-03 02:43 <uriesk> danbanner: thank you very much!
2019-02-03 02:43 <danbanner> ya 500kbps is usually perfect
2019-02-03 02:43 <uriesk> god, that was one of my most annoying issues, i m so happy to see it gone
2019-02-03 03:08 <uriesk> nevermind, that was just a one-time happening, its back to freezing on login again
2019-02-03 03:11 <danbanner> did your viewer crash and bandwidth reset back to 1150?
2019-02-03 03:11 <uriesk> no bandwidth is 500
2019-02-03 03:12 <danbanner> strange
2019-02-03 03:12 <danbanner> connect to lbsa i'll watch
2019-02-03 03:13 <uriesk> ok, will try
2019-02-03 03:13 <uriesk> connecting now
2019-02-03 03:14 <uriesk> stuck at "Waiting for region handshake"
2019-02-03 03:14 <uriesk> it will be frozen like that forever, till i kill firestorm hard
2019-02-03 03:14 <danbanner> ya another user connected at same time and got the [SCENE PRESENCE]: Completing movement  message 
2019-02-03 03:14 <danbanner> you never arrived
2019-02-03 03:15 <danbanner> are you running some kind of proxy or lookback solution?
2019-02-03 03:15 <uriesk> yes, when i login to my sim, it says that it got appearance and things, but never movement complete
2019-02-03 03:15 <uriesk> no
2019-02-03 03:15 <uriesk> also it was working fine before, it stopped working suddenly somewhere around that time when osgrid got that new homepage
2019-02-03 03:15 <danbanner> which viewer?
2019-02-03 03:15 <uriesk> FIrestorm 6 Beta
2019-02-03 03:15 <danbanner> you have another you can try?
2019-02-03 03:16 <uriesk> had the same issue with firestorm 5.0.7 something
2019-02-03 03:16 <danbanner> hmm
2019-02-03 03:16 <uriesk> yes, i have Revelator (Singularity basis) here
2019-02-03 03:16 <danbanner> see what happens
2019-02-03 03:16 <uriesk> but let me show you more first
2019-02-03 03:16 <uriesk> now i kill firestorm hard
2019-02-03 03:17 <uriesk> now i login again, it gets the already login message like always on a crash
2019-02-03 03:17 <danbanner> ok
2019-02-03 03:17 <danbanner> thats expected
2019-02-03 03:17 <uriesk> now i login again
2019-02-03 03:17 <uriesk> and it gets stuck at Connecting to Region
2019-02-03 03:18 <danbanner> now it said [LLUDPSERVER]: No packets received from child agent of unregi Resident for 60000ms in Lbsa Plaza.  Disconnecting.
2019-02-03 03:18 <uriesk> and the region console will timeout the user after 60s
2019-02-03 03:18 <danbanner> now try
2019-02-03 03:18 <uriesk> yes
2019-02-03 03:18 <uriesk> and NOW i can login... with smaller window size
2019-02-03 03:18 <uriesk> if i login with maximized window, it will be the same "region handshake" freeze again
2019-02-03 03:18 <danbanner> seems like a problem with the viewer
2019-02-03 03:19 <uriesk> i had the window size small now with that "connecting to region" freeze too
2019-02-03 03:19 <uriesk> will try Revelator on fullscreen
2019-02-03 03:19 <danbanner> you're using linux?
2019-02-03 03:20 <uriesk> yes
2019-02-03 03:20 <uriesk> yep, Revelator works fine
2019-02-03 03:20 <danbanner> strange
2019-02-03 03:20 <uriesk> so its just Firestorm, the 6.x and 5.0.7 something
2019-02-03 03:20 <danbanner> i got someone trying 4k in fs
2019-02-03 03:20 <danbanner> moment
2019-02-03 03:21 <uriesk> (and it was working before with the same firestorm and its working in SecondLife)
2019-02-03 03:23 <uriesk> it's working on other grids!
2019-02-03 03:23 <uriesk> i can login with the 3rdlifegrid avi on fullscreen just fine
2019-02-03 03:23 <uriesk> now tahts weird
2019-02-03 03:24 <danbanner> just tested  Firestorm-Betax64 6.0.1.56538
2019-02-03 03:24 <danbanner> full screen 4k to lbsa and no issues
2019-02-03 03:24 <danbanner> maybe video dcriver thing or something
2019-02-03 03:25 <uriesk> logged in 3 times to 3rdlifegrid on fullscreen, always worked
2019-02-03 03:25 <danbanner> ya strange
2019-02-03 03:25 <uriesk> i will log in to Bills Dev Outreach again, that was the only sim in osgrid that worked
2019-02-03 03:25 <danbanner> are there people in the region?
2019-02-03 03:25 <uriesk> no
2019-02-03 03:25 <uriesk> but there are no people in my home region either and it still freezes me
2019-02-03 03:25 <danbanner> maybe is a mesh avatar thing?
2019-02-03 03:25 <danbanner> hmm
2019-02-03 03:25 <uriesk> i could try with windows
2019-02-03 03:26 <uriesk> did your 4k person try with linux?
2019-02-03 03:26 <danbanner> no they use windows
2019-02-03 03:26 <uriesk> i first thought that it has something to do with the login page, because cefhost (that chrome implenentation of firestorm) burned to 100% CPU usage a few times when looking at it
2019-02-03 03:26 <uriesk> ... and the issues started when it got implemented
2019-02-03 03:27 <uriesk> but i changed the login page to opensimworld.com and it was just the same... so thats not it
2019-02-03 03:28 <uriesk> Bills Dev OUtreach is working, its so weird
2019-02-03 03:28 <danbanner> ya strange for sure
2019-02-03 03:31 <danbanner> does it work for you in windows?
2019-02-03 03:32 <uriesk> i will try
2019-02-03 03:32 <uriesk> will be back in a few min, i don't have an IRC client there
2019-02-03 03:37 <uriesk> works in windows
2019-02-03 03:38 <uriesk> will try with a virgin firestorm now
2019-02-03 03:43 <uriesk> virgin firestorm doesn't work either
2019-02-03 03:43 <uriesk> i am tired of trying... maybe another day
2019-02-03 21:13 <uriesk> solved one other issue where i couldn't hg tp back to a region that was running on a server that i also use as router here.
2019-02-03 21:13 <uriesk> HG tps to somewhere else, and tps to some other region on osgrid and back did work
2019-02-03 21:14 <uriesk> turned out that i needed to use REDIRECT in the iptables rule for NAT loopback instead of DNAT
2019-02-03 21:14 <uriesk> ...which is weird, because those two rules do the same thing if the traffic is from LAN, which it is
2019-02-03 21:15 <uriesk> ...also that setup did work fine for more than 6 months and just now that suddenly turned into a problem
2019-02-04 11:30 <Ubit> err dont asks, we don't have anything touching iptables :)
2019-02-04 11:31 <Ubit> and most if not all low level tpc/http is done by mnoe
2019-02-04 11:31 <Ubit> and mono
2019-02-04 11:31 <BillBlight> He's not here
2019-02-04 11:31 <Ubit> details
2019-02-04 11:31 <Ubit> lol
2019-02-04 18:11 <osmantis> Bug #5971:04 Runtime crash loading JsonStore script modules on Windows7 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5971 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-04 18:12 <Tampa> Don't mind me, just doing some housekeeping, Mantis needs some love :)
2019-02-04 18:13 <osmantis> Bug #5969:04 Possible to log into a grid multiple times as same identity 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5969 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-04 18:19 <osmantis> Bug #7936:04 Some errors with HTTP server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7936 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-04 18:26 <osmantis> Bug #6633:04 Fail to retrieve information when creating landmark 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6633 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-04 18:32 <osmantis> Bug #6810:04 Crash with AppDomainLoading set to true at Wright Plaza 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6810 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-04 18:37 <osmantis> Bug #7525:04 OpenSim.ini.example comment for DrawPrimOnMapTile needs to change from false to true 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7525 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2019-02-04 18:39 <osmantis> Bug #7614:04 [MRMModule] Tidy Compiler Warnings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7614 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-04 18:49 <osmantis> Bug #7613:04 ScriptsHttpRequests.cs Tidy Compiler Warnings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7613 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-04 19:07 <osmantis> Bug #7612:04 [BULLETSIM] Tidy Compiler Warnings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7612 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-04 20:13 <Tampa> Hurray :D
2019-02-04 20:13 <Ubit> :p
2019-02-04 20:13 <Tampa> One more ticket resolved is a good thing :)
2019-02-04 20:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #6187 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-04 20:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6187: SUCCESS in 6 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6187/
2019-02-04 20:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reduce the odds of MTU violation
2019-02-04 20:30 <osmantis> Bug #7936:04 Some errors with HTTP server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7936 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-04 20:35 <osmantis> Bug #7613:04 ScriptsHttpRequests.cs Tidy Compiler Warnings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7613 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-04 20:37 <Tampa> Of course this does not warn, it's suppressed, it's just ignoring it -.-
2019-02-04 20:37 <osmantis> Bug #7612:04 [BULLETSIM] Tidy Compiler Warnings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7612 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-04 20:38 <osmantis> Bug #7612:04 [BULLETSIM] Tidy Compiler Warnings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7612 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-04 20:39 <Tampa> Oi I was working on that one!
2019-02-04 21:04 <Ubit> anyone uses freeswitch ?
2019-02-04 21:05 <BillBlight> occasionally
2019-02-04 21:05 <BillBlight> Might be a good thing to leave in just in case Vivox goes away
2019-02-04 21:06 <BillBlight> Now that Unity bought Vivox, who knows what is going to happen
2019-02-04 21:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #6188 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-04 21:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6188: SUCCESS in 5 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6188/
2019-02-04 21:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove references to obsolete CertificatePolicy
2019-02-04 21:16 <Tampa> What does that part of the httprequests do, just check the cert for policies?
2019-02-04 21:16 <Ubit> does control cert validation
2019-02-04 21:16 <Tampa> Does that break httprequest tls support though?
2019-02-04 21:17 <Ubit> and that is the replacement for policy checks it self
2019-02-04 21:18 <Ubit> and the use on freeswitch ( and other places is wrong ) will mess tls/ssl
2019-02-04 21:19 <Ubit> that scripts httpone was also wrong in past, did kill money modules
2019-02-04 21:19 <Ubit> so will freeswitch as is
2019-02-04 21:19 <Tampa> But llhttprequest will still work with https now?
2019-02-04 21:19 <Ubit> yes
2019-02-04 21:20 <Tampa> Okay :)
2019-02-04 21:20 <Ubit> ( i hope :p )
2019-02-04 21:21 <Tampa> There are now just under 1000 open issues on mantis, probably 500 of which are so old they no longer apply anyways
2019-02-04 21:21 <Ubit> but expect issues with freeswitch for now
2019-02-04 21:22 <Tampa> I never quite understood why one could not reverse engineer the vivox module and build a self-hosted endpoint for it
2019-02-04 21:22 <Ubit> well fs will just kill checks
2019-02-04 21:23 <Ubit> region uses nothing from vivox
2019-02-04 21:23 <Ubit> viewers do
2019-02-04 21:23 <Ubit> and possible must do
2019-02-04 21:23 <Tampa> Yeah, but what exactly does it provide, it's basically nothing more than a talking channel just like on Teamspeak
2019-02-04 21:24 <Ubit> yeap only controls channels
2019-02-04 21:24 <Tampa> Speaking of which, that protocol is now open and someone made an open source server for it, TeaSpeak
2019-02-04 21:24 <Ubit> now reverse eng voice processing.. have fun with that :p
2019-02-04 21:25 <Ubit> and guess all that still under lots of protected licensed codecs
2019-02-04 21:25 <Tampa> Let's get the intern to do that... do we have one? xD
2019-02-04 21:26 <Tampa> Can we close all issues regarding megaregions?
2019-02-04 21:27 <Ubit> they are gone.. no meaningless
2019-02-04 21:27 <Ubit> so..
2019-02-04 21:28 <Tampa> I take that as a yes?
2019-02-04 21:29 <Ubit> :)
2019-02-04 21:29 <Ubit> odd why does freesw have a vivox url hardcoded ?
2019-02-04 21:29 <Ubit>  string forwardaddress = "https://www.bhr.vivox.com/api2/";
2019-02-04 21:30 <osmantis> Bug #6072:04 [Mega Region] Media Streaming settings only in the root region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6072 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-04 21:30 <osmantis> Bug #4545:04 [MegaRegion] Incorrect prim count on non-root region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4545 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-04 21:31 <osmantis> Bug #4376:04 [Megaregions] Parcel name not displayed correctly in top bar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4376 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-04 21:31 <Ubit> anyone here uses freesw and on master? :)
2019-02-04 21:31 <osmantis> Bug #4546:04 [MegaRegion] Console command "show users full" reports incorrect child informations 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4546 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-04 21:32 <osmantis> Bug #4547:04 [MegaRegion] Console ERROR Messages - Prim crossing failed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4547 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-04 21:36 <Ubit> never even tried freesw..
2019-02-04 21:36 <Ubit> what is the client side ??
2019-02-04 21:37 <Ubit> same as vivox ?
2019-02-04 21:38 <Tampa> I believe it is mostly the same, just not getting louder the closer you are
2019-02-04 21:38 <Tampa> More like talking on teamspeak or discord
2019-02-04 21:38 <Tampa> Also I think calls are negotiated differently when using that button in the IM window
2019-02-04 21:44 <osmantis> Bug #7718:04 [MapTiles] Simulator can not generate maptiles on the fly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7718 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-04 21:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #6189 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-04 21:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6189: SUCCESS in 5 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6189/
2019-02-04 21:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: prevent freswitch from messing global cert validation, more work is need on rest requests ( also for other things)
2019-02-04 21:52 <Tampa> With MRM removed, guess close all related issues too or just leave them for now?
2019-02-04 21:53 <Ubit> if removed why keeping the issues open?
2019-02-04 21:53 <Tampa> Maybe for future reference, idk, it hasn't been removed long...
2019-02-04 21:54 <Tampa> Just making sure you aren't going to tickle me to death over closing issues :)
2019-02-04 21:54 <osmantis> Bug #4160:04 Megaregions - can't change terrain textures on non-root region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4160 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-04 21:55 <osmantis> Bug #4409:04 Megaregions - LSL positional commands yield unexpected results 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4409 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-04 22:11 <osmantis> Bug #6596:04 Megaregion and LSL_Api: heightmap, waterheight,wind and cloud 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6596 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-04 22:11 <osmantis> Bug #3925:04 [PATCH] MRM SOPObject  properties partial implementation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3925 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-04 22:11 <osmantis> Bug #3991:04 [MRM] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3991 ): The RELATED issue 0003925 has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-04 22:12 <osmantis> Bug #3446:04 [PATCH] [MRM] adds whisper, shout, regionsay to Host.Object and channel to World.OnChat 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3446 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-04 22:12 <osmantis> Bug #3991:04 [MRM] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3991 ): The RELATED issue 0003446 has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-04 22:16 <osmantis> Bug #5975:04 [PATCH] OAR and Megaregion: all terrains are saved and restored. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5975 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-04 22:45 <osmantis> Bug #6282:04 libOMV states default attachment point as right hand, not left 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6282 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-04 23:08 <osmantis> Bug #8471:04 Possible typo in BulletSim? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8471 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-02-05 00:49 <paela> Hello, here, one question please,
2019-02-05 00:49 <paela> is it possible to lock the possibility of hg users to take anythink in my grid ?
2019-02-05 00:59 <Melanie_T> paela: don't run the suitcase service, don't allow the HG inventory service
2019-02-05 00:59 <Melanie_T> that will cause anything they own in your grid to be availabel only in your grid
2019-02-05 01:31 <Ubit> bahh was seeing a major issue with ubode 
2019-02-05 01:31 <Ubit> had interpolators off :p
2019-02-05 01:32 <Ubit> no wonder movement was 'odd' :)
2019-02-05 01:33 <paela> hum thanks Melanie i will try later 
2019-02-05 01:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #6190 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-05 01:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6190: SUCCESS in 5 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6190/
2019-02-05 01:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: enforce prim size restrictions on physical state change; Place restrictions on ini values
2019-02-05 02:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #6191 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-05 02:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6191: SUCCESS in 5 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6191/
2019-02-05 02:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: allow more suicidal NonPhysicalPrimMax
2019-02-05 13:45 <osmantis> Bug #4163:04 Oar's not working properly in Megaregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4163 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 13:45 <osmantis> Bug #4410:04 Oar's not saving terrain in Megaregions except  root region! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4410 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 13:47 <osmantis> Bug #5396:04 Add Traffic Count 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5396 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 13:53 <osmantis> Bug #2941:04 Cancel button disabled in the Pick Texture window 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=2941 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-05 13:55 <osmantis> Bug #3073:04 Region restarts crashes simulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3073 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 14:01 <osmantis> Bug #3305:04 llVolumeDetect crash the sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3305 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-05 14:02 <osmantis> Bug #3717:04 Compiling changed MRM script doesn't remove old version of an event handler from OpenSim server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3717 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 14:02 <osmantis> Bug #3991:04 [MRM] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3991 ): The RELATED issue 0003717 has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 14:04 <osmantis> Bug #5088:04 Linux/MySQL creates regionsettings table with incorrect fields 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5088 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 14:05 <osmantis> Bug #5544:04 Simulators running OSgrid 0.7.2 (Dev) 06e254c: 2011-06-12 unable to TP Lure (offer TP) to users on older releases 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5544 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 14:06 <osmantis> Bug #5549:04 TP by using LM from 0.7.1 (ROBUST & Region) to a 0.7.1.1 (Region connected to Robust) ends in space 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5549 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 14:10 <osmantis> Bug #5023:04 LSL won't let you set a default value to another integer in a declaration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5023 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-05 14:10 <Tampa> #progress
2019-02-05 14:45 <osmantis> Bug #1523:04 r 5060 - copy-select doesn't copy multiple selected prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1523 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 14:46 <osmantis> Bug #2071:04 No footstep and collision sounds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=2071 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 14:52 <osmantis> Bug #3298:04 Prim moving with "llSetpos(pos)" and check position with llGetPos() never reach given end-position 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3298 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-05 14:53 <osmantis> Bug #3725:04 bug- system time is not always grid / server time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3725 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 14:54 <osmantis> Bug #4169:04 Unable to get MRM Telehub to function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4169 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 14:54 <osmantis> Bug #3991:04 [MRM] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3991 ): The RELATED issue 0004169 has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 14:55 <osmantis> Bug #4038:04 MRM build fails when MRM sandboxing is enabled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4038 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 14:55 <osmantis> Bug #3991:04 [MRM] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3991 ): The RELATED issue 0004038 has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 14:56 <osmantis> Bug #4732:04 Hollowed out body, Mosaic appearance 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4732 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 14:57 <osmantis> Bug #5126:04 Avi's showing as cloud or invisible 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5126 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 14:59 <osmantis> Bug #5418:04 If avatar sits on an object while moving the avatar will continue to drift in that direction even when sat 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5418 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-05 15:02 <osmantis> Bug #5767:04 Take (copy) of objects from inworld end in trashcan when old source folder in inventory is not present anymore 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5767 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 15:04 <osmantis> Bug #6053:04 llDie function is not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6053 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 16:06 <osmantis> Bug #3315:04 Scripts dont save properly if not running 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3315 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-05 16:12 <Tampa> :)
2019-02-05 16:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #6192 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-05 16:17 <osmantis> Bug #3555:04 OpenSim quit should not unregister the instance from a grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3555 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-05 16:18 <osmantis> Bug #4191:04 Home position doesn't work right in mega-region. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4191 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 16:18 <osmantis> Bug #4183:04 Cannot fly out of mega-region into normal region - console spewage, inability to move and unstable region result 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4183 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 16:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6192: SUCCESS in 6 min 36 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6192/
2019-02-05 16:18 <osjenkins> misterblue: Remove cut-and-paste typo in 6dof contstrain setup in XNA version of
2019-02-05 16:32 <osmantis> Bug #3555:04 OpenSim quit should not unregister the instance from a grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3555 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-05 16:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #6193 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-05 16:38 <osmantis> Bug #4663:04 Grid Service doesn't allow Duplicate Regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4663 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-05 16:38 <osmantis> Bug #4663:04 Grid Service doesn't allow Duplicate Regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4663 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2019-02-05 16:41 <osmantis> Bug #4895:04 Parcel ban traps users when hit 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4895 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 16:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6193: SUCCESS in 5 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6193/
2019-02-05 16:42 <osjenkins> misterblue: Remove some more cut-and-paste typos in 6dof constraint setup in XNA
2019-02-05 16:44 <osmantis> Bug #5044:04 Sell land broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5044 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 16:44 <osmantis> Bug #5069:04 estate settings not persistent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5069 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 16:45 <osmantis> Bug #5074:04 MRM - Fails with groups? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5074 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 16:45 <osmantis> Bug #5248:04 MRM scripts sometimes corrupt OpenSim build 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5248 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 16:48 <osmantis> Bug #5586:04 Opensim do not deregister regions of  a megaregion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5586 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 16:50 <osmantis> Bug #5802:04 Linden Grass rezz wrong on megaregion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5802 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 16:50 <osmantis> Bug #5858:04 llModifyLand don't work on MegaRegions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5858 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 16:51 <osmantis> Bug #6047:04 Terrain is 'wavy' or 'wrinkled' when loading a terrain file. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6047 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 16:53 <osmantis> Bug #6068:04 Unable to purge Lost and Found folder 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6068 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 16:54 <osmantis> Bug #6231:04 Searching the map triggers a "Hyperlink could not be established" message for strings that aren't hyperlink URIs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6231 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 16:56 <osmantis> Bug #2309:04 prim mass too low 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=2309 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 16:59 <osmantis> Bug #1794:04 show internal and external ip addresses per region in console as list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1794 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 17:01 <osmantis> Bug #2484:04 r6994 - changes to a linkset are not always saved unless linkset is taken into INVENTORY 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=2484 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-05 17:03 <osmantis> Bug #3353:04 100% CPU usage from the mono process 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3353 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 17:04 <Tampa> Okay that's it for today I think :)
2019-02-05 17:15 <misterblue> thank you for doing all that review and update work!
2019-02-05 17:16 <Tampa> No problem, I like fixing things :D
2019-02-05 17:24 <Tampa> Now we only need more folks to help actually fix the confirmed issues and we could smash those ticket numbers :D
2019-02-05 18:04 <osmantis> Bug #8454:04 Welcome Avatar! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8454 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 18:24 <osmantis> Bug #7586:04 Avatar Remains A Cloud On Relog No Matter What 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7586 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 18:29 <osmantis> Bug #7561:04 Console "alert" command is not working on var regions, but does work on normal sims. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7561 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 18:31 <osmantis> Bug #7545:04 Unknown Errors In Console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7545 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 18:35 <osmantis> Bug #7504:04 clothing can not find assets even lk clothing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7504 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 18:37 <osmantis> Bug #5209:04 Hypergrid jump from OSGrid to another (apparently HG 1.5 i7 compatible) grid logs user out of viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5209 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 18:37 <osmantis> Bug #5919:04 Viewer closes during Hypergird teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5919 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 18:39 <osmantis> Bug #7227:04 Unable to teleport from map or hg link 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7227 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 18:45 <osmantis> Bug #3555:04 OpenSim quit should not unregister the instance from a grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3555 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-05 19:28 <osmantis> Bug #8471:04 Possible typo in BulletSim? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8471 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 19:30 <osmantis> Bug #3555:04 OpenSim quit should not unregister the instance from a grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3555 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-02-05 19:37 <osmantis> Bug #3555:04 OpenSim quit should not unregister the instance from a grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3555 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-02-05 19:40 <osmantis> Bug #4663:04 Grid Service doesn't allow Duplicate Regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4663 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-02-05 19:51 <osmantis> Bug #8472:04 DisallowExport not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8472 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2019-02-05 19:54 <osmantis> Bug #8472:04 DisallowExport not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8472 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2019-02-05 20:11 <osmantis> Bug #5418:04 If avatar sits on an object while moving the avatar will continue to drift in that direction even when sat 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5418 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2019-02-05 20:11 <osmantis> Bug #4410:04 Oar's not saving terrain in Megaregions except  root region! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4410 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2019-02-05 20:11 <osmantis> Bug #4163:04 Oar's not working properly in Megaregions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4163 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2019-02-05 20:11 <osmantis> Bug #5975:04 [PATCH] OAR and Megaregion: all terrains are saved and restored. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5975 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2019-02-05 20:12 <osmantis> [discarded 40 messages]
2019-02-05 20:12 <osmantis> Bug #4716:04 Web loading region configuration stops physical prims working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4716 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2019-02-05 20:12 <osmantis> Bug #5641:04 NPC creation - some attributes of pants do not translate to clones 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5641 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2019-02-05 20:12 <osmantis> Bug #2903:04 Object keys are all changed after a oar-load 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=2903 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2019-02-05 20:15 <osmantis> [discarded 5 messages]
2019-02-05 20:15 <osmantis> Bug #5418:04 If avatar sits on an object while moving the avatar will continue to drift in that direction even when sat 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5418 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 20:19 <osmantis> Bug #3528:04 Same AV in two regions as root agent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3528 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 20:20 <BillBlight> some of those just need to be closed 
2019-02-05 20:20 <Tampa> I cannot close issues, only mark them as resolved
2019-02-05 20:21 <BillBlight> they don't apply anymore, I'm guessing that is what Tampa is moving too
2019-02-05 20:21 <osmantis> Bug #2903:04 Object keys are all changed after a oar-load 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=2903 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:21 <osmantis> Bug #4173:04 [OAR] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4173 ): The RELATED issue 0002903 has been CLOSED.
2019-02-05 20:21 <osmantis> Bug #5974:04 llSleep called in a timer event locks script up if sleep is interrupted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5974 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:21 <osmantis> Bug #5822:04 Setting group only in Land Details will crash other users clients. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5822 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:21 <osmantis> Bug #5764:04 Suggestion for locked regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5764 ): The RELATED issue 0005822 has been CLOSED.
2019-02-05 20:21 <osmantis> Bug #6090:04 Individual region settings are not being read by opensim unless in RegionConfig.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6090 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:21 <Tampa> 3627
2019-02-05 20:21 <osmantis> Bug #4960:04 Wearables loaded from IARs sometimes cause avatar baking problems 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4960 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:22 <osmantis> Bug #6961:04 Install error during MIGRATIONS  -- SQL error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6961 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:22 <osmantis> Bug #6893:04 issues running opens on osx 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6893 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:22 <BillBlight> I'm going to close the Old issues when I see them , and have time with the following note, "Old Issues, closed, can be reopened if they still exist"
2019-02-05 20:23 <Tampa> 3768
2019-02-05 20:24 <osmantis> [discarded 5 messages]
2019-02-05 20:24 <osmantis> Bug #3768:04 Cannot texture whole linksets 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3768 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:24 <Tampa> 4802
2019-02-05 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #3528:04 Same AV in two regions as root agent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3528 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #5418:04 If avatar sits on an object while moving the avatar will continue to drift in that direction even when sat 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5418 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #5531:04 Load OAR: Users and Groups of Access Permissions are Not Checked 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5531 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #5417:04 Test failures in EstateTests and ArchiveTests 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5417 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #4982:04 LOAD IAR messages on load failure are confusing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4982 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #4173:04 [OAR] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4173 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #4154:04 [IAR] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4154 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #5641:04 NPC creation - some attributes of pants do not translate to clones 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5641 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #4716:04 Web loading region configuration stops physical prims working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4716 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:26 <osmantis> [discarded 41 messages]
2019-02-05 20:26 <osmantis> Bug #7561:04 Console "alert" command is not working on var regions, but does work on normal sims. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7561 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:26 <osmantis> Bug #7586:04 Avatar Remains A Cloud On Relog No Matter What 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7586 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:26 <osmantis> Bug #8454:04 Welcome Avatar! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8454 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:26 <osmantis> Bug #3353:04 100% CPU usage from the mono process 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3353 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:27 <osmantis> [discarded 46 messages]
2019-02-05 20:27 <osmantis> Bug #4834:04 Suggest adding a "flush log" command to Robust.exe and Opensim.exe commands 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4834 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 20:27 <osmantis> Bug #6072:04 [Mega Region] Media Streaming settings only in the root region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6072 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:27 <osmantis> Bug #7612:04 [BULLETSIM] Tidy Compiler Warnings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7612 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:27 <osmantis> Bug #7613:04 ScriptsHttpRequests.cs Tidy Compiler Warnings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7613 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:27 <osmantis> Bug #7614:04 [MRMModule] Tidy Compiler Warnings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7614 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:27 <Tampa> 4761
2019-02-05 20:28 <BillBlight> Ok dinner time for me, I've done enough damage
2019-02-05 20:28 <Tampa> Thanks for helping :)
2019-02-05 20:28 <osmantis> [discarded 17 messages]
2019-02-05 20:28 <osmantis> Bug #4761:04 Crossing from Mega Region to regular region is not consistent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4761 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-05 20:28 <osmantis> Bug #4761:04 Crossing from Mega Region to regular region is not consistent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4761 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:32 <osmantis> Bug #4834:04 Suggest adding a "flush log" command to Robust.exe and Opensim.exe commands 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4834 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:32 <osmantis> Bug #8436:04 Yengine : Can not modify script when is in inventory OpenSim 0.9.1.0 Snail Dev  4d3d999 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8436 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:32 <osmantis> Bug #8445:04 Particle systems are not correct in master 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8445 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:32 <osmantis> Bug #8443:04 Region Frozen stops working silently (Yengine) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8443 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 20:33 <osmantis> Bug #8251:04 Mono 5.2 and 5.4 slow some script functions down by a factor of 55 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8251 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-05 21:37 <osmantis> Bug #8439:04 Region maptiles - can previous tiles be removed from database as they are replaced by later versions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-05 21:40 <BillBlight> I think the maptiles stored in the DB are for V1 viewers only
2019-02-05 21:40 <BillBlight> pretty sure v2 and newer are served directly from the maptiles directory
2019-02-05 21:41 <Tampa> Still odd new ones are done each time, I suppose to outdate the older versions maybe
2019-02-05 21:42 <Tampa> I count 30000 entries for maptiles with 73.5% duplicates, that's a lot
2019-02-05 21:42 <Tampa> Question then is, does OpenSim still "support" v1 viewers?
2019-02-05 21:51 <Ubit> guess still does
2019-02-05 21:51 <Ubit> but some may smoke :)
2019-02-05 22:14 <paela> in linux you can use rm *6000-10000* for remove all map linked by a coordinate 
2019-02-05 22:29 <Tampa> Well I just issues a delete of everything like terrainImage in the assets table, 30k rows, let's see what happens
2019-02-05 22:58 <osmantis> Bug #8439:04 Region maptiles - can previous tiles be removed from database as they are replaced by later versions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-05 23:05 <paela> Bill you have closed my report thanks you ! but i do not see in search mantis any think similar in report !!!
2019-02-05 23:05 <paela> i will fixe it alone and not share very bored
2019-02-05 23:10 <osmantis> Bug #8439:04 Region maptiles - can previous tiles be removed from database as they are replaced by later versions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-05 23:12 <osmantis> Bug #8439:04 Region maptiles - can previous tiles be removed from database as they are replaced by later versions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-05 23:16 <osmantis> Bug #8472:04 DisallowExport not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8472 ): has been REOPENED.
2019-02-05 23:16 <osmantis> Bug #8472:04 DisallowExport not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8472 ): is now in status NEW (again)
2019-02-05 23:18 <osmantis> Bug #8472:04 DisallowExport not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8472 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-02-05 23:20 <osmantis> Bug #8439:04 Region maptiles - can previous tiles be removed from database as they are replaced by later versions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-05 23:20 <osmantis> Bug #8439:04 Region maptiles - can previous tiles be removed from database as they are replaced by later versions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-05 23:28 <osmantis> Bug #8439:04 Region maptiles - can previous tiles be removed from database as they are replaced by later versions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-06 06:18 <BillBlight> -40 windchill last week, and now a thunderstorm that knocked out internet, fun fun fun
2019-02-06 06:42 <Tampa> So much for climate change/global warming, then again do love myself a good storm, cold and rain is boring
2019-02-06 06:43 <djphil> Just see your IM tampa, i'm tryiing to do it today ... ;)
2019-02-06 07:06 <Tampa> No rush :)
2019-02-06 07:07 <djphil> The quicker it's done, the faster it's over :p
2019-02-06 10:06 <osmantis> Bug #8439:04 Region maptiles - can previous tiles be removed from database as they are replaced by later versions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-06 12:40 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-02-06 13:11 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-06 15:34 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-06 15:56 <osmantis> Bug #8439:04 Region maptiles - can previous tiles be removed from database as they are replaced by later versions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8439 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-02-06 18:20 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-06 19:12 -!- Wanderer_42(~kvirc@dslb-178-004-083-231.178.004.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has left #opensim-dev
2019-02-06 19:15 <osmantis> Bug #3627:04 Creation of body parts through inventory dialog fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3627 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-06 19:18 <osmantis> Bug #3720:04 Building Editor "Texturelist" not correct loading 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3720 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-06 19:18 <osmantis> Bug #3530:04 ALL AV's refused access to other grids or regions via Hypergrid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3530 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-06 19:20 <osmantis> Bug #4578:04 teleport home 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4578 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-06 19:20 <osmantis> Bug #4678:04 errors in interregion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4678 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-06 19:21 <osmantis> Bug #4661:04 Prim Crossing Error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4661 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-06 19:22 <osmantis> Bug #4896:04 [GENERICMESSAGE] Tests of Second Life Viewer 2.1.0 show error on avatarpicksrequest 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4896 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-06 19:28 <osmantis> Bug #4896:04 [GENERICMESSAGE] Tests of Second Life Viewer 2.1.0 show error on avatarpicksrequest 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4896 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:28 <osmantis> Bug #4661:04 Prim Crossing Error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4661 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:28 <osmantis> Bug #4678:04 errors in interregion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4678 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:28 <osmantis> Bug #4578:04 teleport home 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4578 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:28 <osmantis> Bug #3530:04 ALL AV's refused access to other grids or regions via Hypergrid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3530 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:29 <osmantis> [discarded 45 messages]
2019-02-06 19:29 <osmantis> Bug #8328:04 [Xengine] Exception creating app domain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8328 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:29 <osmantis> Bug #8316:04 System.ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Index was out of range. Must be non-negative and less than the size of the collection. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8316 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:29 <osmantis> Bug #8318:04 osNpc* functions are broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8318 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:29 <osmantis> Bug #8317:04 Error getting response stream (ReadDone2): ReceiveFailure 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8317 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:29 <osmantis> [discarded 46 messages]
2019-02-06 19:29 <osmantis> Bug #8171:04 llHTTPRequest stop to work when set some god parameters to false 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8171 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:29 <osmantis> Bug #8169:04 Setting a parcel to group doesn't stick after a region restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8169 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:29 <osmantis> Bug #8168:04 Object set as group being autoreturned on group owned region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8168 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:29 <osmantis> Bug #8129:04 exception when starting robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8129 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:29 <osmantis> Bug #8146:04 Fix spelling of OSTPOBJ_STOPATTARRGET 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8146 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:30 <osmantis> Bug #8154:04 llResetOtherScript stops script execution 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8154 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:30 <osmantis> Bug #8147:04 Could not load type 'OpenSim.Region.OptionalModules.Framework.Monitoring.EtcdMonitoringModule - Standalone 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8147 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:30 <osmantis> Bug #8085:04 PGSQL - missing support for OBJECT_REZZER_KEY in commit 7c566d 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8085 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:30 <osmantis> Bug #8118:04 PGSQL - group messages are not deleted at expiry 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8118 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:30 <osmantis> Bug #8126:04 Opensim.ini documentation suggests an illegal combination of Public Port and Private IP 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8126 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:30 <osmantis> Bug #8133:04 SCRIPTED integer type is not detected for llDetectedType in collisions events 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8133 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:30 <osmantis> [discarded 57 messages]
2019-02-06 19:30 <osmantis> Bug #7932:04 llRezObject ignores the Velocity parameter even when the rezzed object is physical 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7932 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:30 <osmantis> Bug #7802:04 Varregion region crossing failures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7802 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:31 <osmantis> [discarded 30 messages]
2019-02-06 19:31 <osmantis> Bug #5070:04 Cannot Edit Terrain And Cannot Edit Avatar Profile. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5070 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-06 19:32 <osmantis> Bug #5104:04 Grey map issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5104 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-06 19:34 <osmantis> Bug #5400:04 Editing linked child prims while object is still linked can cause the object to vanish or Avatar if worn item. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5400 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-06 19:35 <osmantis> Bug #5542:04 While trying to tp, from one region to this one and the viewer hangs or crashes! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5542 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-06 19:36 <osmantis> Bug #5610:04 Suggest a new console command to refresh map tiles manually 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5610 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-06 19:37 <osmantis> Bug #5624:04 Uploading a mesh creates a invisible prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5624 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-06 19:42 <osmantis> Bug #5637:04 (windows) OpenSim.exe dont check its own filepath, and assume config files are in the path where you start opensim from. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5637 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2019-02-06 19:43 <Plugh> It is so annoying when a region stops responding to requests to delete objects from the region. Only way to "fix" the problem is restart the region. :P
2019-02-06 19:45 <BillBlight> or wait a very long time
2019-02-06 19:46 <osmantis> Bug #5704:04 Regulary remove users with zero RegionID from table Presence 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5704 ): has been ACKNOWLEDGED.
2019-02-06 19:46 <Plugh> yea. I did see some timeouts on DeRezObject
2019-02-06 19:46 <Plugh> I'm tearing apart a region trying to find the item(s) causing it run at 200% CPU.
2019-02-06 19:47 <Plugh> It isn't colliders or scripts as nothing shows up in the Top list for either.
2019-02-06 19:50 <osmantis> Bug #5624:04 Uploading a mesh creates a invisible prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5624 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:50 <osmantis> Bug #5610:04 Suggest a new console command to refresh map tiles manually 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5610 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:50 <osmantis> Bug #5542:04 While trying to tp, from one region to this one and the viewer hangs or crashes! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5542 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:50 <osmantis> Bug #5400:04 Editing linked child prims while object is still linked can cause the object to vanish or Avatar if worn item. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5400 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:50 <osmantis> Bug #5104:04 Grey map issues 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5104 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:50 <osmantis> Bug #5070:04 Cannot Edit Terrain And Cannot Edit Avatar Profile. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5070 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:51 <osmantis> [discarded 62 messages]
2019-02-06 19:51 <osmantis> Bug #7673:04 Extra moving_end triggered by llSetKeyframedMotion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7673 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-06 19:51 <AliciaRaven> Plugh, hardest object i had to locate, was fetched in on hypergrid, and was sized 0.00001 invisible prim, nasty little b*@#! to locate
2019-02-06 19:51 <Plugh> yea, that would be very hard to find.
2019-02-06 19:51 <Plugh> I'm down to 70 items left in the region.
2019-02-06 19:52 <Plugh> One thing that makes it a tiny bit easier is the area search feature in the viewer.
2019-02-06 19:52 <Plugh> Tiny prims can't hide from it.
2019-02-06 19:52 <BillBlight> I usually do a delete from the console, with a defined area if I think I know where the bugger is ..
2019-02-06 19:52 <AliciaRaven> yep, that and drag selecting the aproximate area was how i managed to find the tiny prim
2019-02-06 19:53 <AliciaRaven> it was some tiny invisible prim that was part of a shoe linkset to do some weird script math that was only needed years ago
2019-02-06 19:55 <Plugh> Yes, Drag select is also very useful.
2019-02-06 19:55 <Plugh> 
ACTION sighs

2019-02-06 19:55 <Plugh> Gotta restart the region yet again
2019-02-06 20:01 <osmantis> Bug #5939:04 reunify maptile & map configs into single place.  2 many places to adjust & fix with variants 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5939 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-06 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #7680:04 Memory Usage Doubled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7680 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-06 20:27 <osmantis> Bug #7680:04 Memory Usage Doubled 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7680 ): has been CLOSED
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2019-02-06 21:20 <Plugh> I found an invisible item. I'm standing on it but I can't select it. It appears to be two or three objects stacked on top of each other. One is partly in to the ground based on the bounding box display.
2019-02-06 21:38 <AliciaRaven> dont forget the viewer can display invisible objects in red as a debug option
2019-02-06 21:47 <Plugh> I was trying to figure out what options I could enable in the viewer to see hidden items. Do you know the name of the option in Firestorm?
2019-02-06 21:48 <AliciaRaven> its been along time, let me log in and see where my intuition takes me
2019-02-06 21:48 <paela> ctrl alt t ?
2019-02-06 21:48 <AliciaRaven> yea that sounds right
2019-02-06 21:49 <AliciaRaven> yes, Ctrl + Alt + T
2019-02-06 21:50 <Plugh> That opens a terminal window. I'm on Linux. Different keyboard shortcuts.
2019-02-06 21:50 <AliciaRaven> mm
2019-02-06 21:51 <AliciaRaven> Advanced > Highlighting & Visibility > Highlight Transparent
2019-02-06 21:52 <paela> Advanced => highlighting and visi... => HIGHTlight transparent
2019-02-06 21:52 <paela> lol same time
2019-02-06 21:52 <AliciaRaven> also, enable Advanced menu is an optional setting
2019-02-06 21:52 <misterblue> you just beat me, also LOL
2019-02-06 21:52 <AliciaRaven> :)
2019-02-06 21:52 <AliciaRaven> supprised as im tired as hell lol
2019-02-06 21:55 <Plugh> ok, thanks. Found it. Didn't help. Still can't see it. I suspect bad mesh.
2019-02-06 21:56 <BillBlight> If it is bad mesh you could be standing on it's physics, the actual piece of mesh could be on the other side of the sim ..
2019-02-06 21:56 <Plugh> I'll do a DB search using some bounds on where I've found the invisible item.
2019-02-06 21:56 <Plugh> Bill, Hm... If that is the case a DB search is unlikely to turn up the item.
2019-02-06 21:57 <BillBlight> why not do a delete object pos <start x, start y , start z> <end x, end y, end z> . if you think you know where it is
2019-02-06 21:58 <BillBlight> or you could even do a show object pos [--full] <start x, start y , start z> <end x, end y, end z> 
2019-02-06 21:59 <BillBlight> lot of options in help objects
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2019-02-06 22:04 <Plugh> yea, I've been looking at the list of commands.
2019-02-06 22:04 <Plugh> Nuts. I need to restart the region. It has stopped deleting items again.
2019-02-06 22:06 <Plugh> A group of prims I have deleted twice keep returning. :P
2019-02-06 22:07 <BillBlight> that is because you keep restarting before  persistence
2019-02-06 22:10 <Plugh> How long does it take to persist data? I've deleted the prims, been looking around for a while, and they still come back even after I told used "backup" at the console.
2019-02-06 22:12 <BillBlight> depends on the setting in the .ini .. but the backup should force it, so not sure , usually problems deleting are is the viewer getting backed up on requests
2019-02-06 22:35 <Plugh> I need to use the database to find items now. Area search in the viewer is no longer cutting it. It must have a range limit. I'm searching a 2x2 var.
2019-02-06 23:20 <osmantis> Bug #8474:04 Scripts cannot modify some sides of a prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8474 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-02-06 23:34 <osmantis> Bug #8474:04 Scripts cannot modify some sides of a prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8474 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-06 23:40 <osmantis> Bug #8474:04 Scripts cannot modify some sides of a prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8474 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-06 23:42 <osmantis> Bug #8474:04 Scripts cannot modify some sides of a prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8474 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-06 23:48 <JeffKelley> Is there a minimal version of MONO required to build 0.9.1 ?
2019-02-06 23:54 <Tampa> the official build server uses 5.12, but 5.4 works too
2019-02-06 23:56 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-06 23:57 <JeffKelley> So maybe my compilation fails because my test machine runs 3.2.5. That's CentOS and there are no packages. Upgrading MONO should take me some time
2019-02-06 23:58 <Tampa> centos 6 and 7 can use latest stable just fine, just add the repo and download mono and mono-devel
2019-02-06 23:58 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-06 23:59 <Tampa> Not sure why you'd subject yourself to centos, but it should work fine :)
2019-02-06 23:59 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 00:00 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 00:00 <JeffKelley> centos was a mistake, i will never do again. 'production' machines are Ubuntu and run MONO 4.2.1
2019-02-07 00:00 <BillBlight> uggg mono 4.2
2019-02-07 00:01 <JeffKelley> ubuntu repo
2019-02-07 00:02 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 00:03 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 00:03 <Tampa> Well 4.2 at least works, remember 4.8... yeah that was no fun at all
2019-02-07 00:04 <JeffKelley> compilation under 4.2 fails also https://pastebin.com/UdsZm7BC
2019-02-07 00:05 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 00:06 <Tampa> Yeah of course, try 5.4 or latest stable, OpenSim requires 5.x versions of mono when compiling latest master
2019-02-07 00:07 <BillBlight> yeah as tampa said of course it does, .9x needs mono 5.4+ or .Net 4.6+
2019-02-07 00:08 <JeffKelley> ok, so i'm out of luck, bye bye testing. Is there a more or less recent master bin outhere ?
2019-02-07 00:09 <BillBlight> OpenSimulator 0.9.1 (including current master) requires either
2019-02-07 00:09 <BillBlight> .NET Framework 4.6 on Windows
2019-02-07 00:09 <BillBlight> Mono on Linux or Mac. Mono 5.12 is the minimum recommended version.
2019-02-07 00:09 <BillBlight> recommend compiling with msbuild.
2019-02-07 00:10 <BillBlight> right from the wiki
2019-02-07 00:10 <BillBlight> does not matter even if you got a compiled version it is not going to run right on mono 4.2
2019-02-07 00:10 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 00:10 <Tampa> Just install mono from their repos rather than the distros
2019-02-07 00:10 <Tampa> Even ubuntu 14 should be able to get 5.4
2019-02-07 00:11 <Tampa> https://www.mono-project.com/download/stable/#download-lin
2019-02-07 00:11 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 00:11 <JeffKelley> ppl using their distro repos will not be able to run > 0.9, am i right ?
2019-02-07 00:11 <BillBlight> yeah it can get all the way to current
2019-02-07 00:12 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 00:12 <BillBlight> the distro is currently 5.18
2019-02-07 00:12 <BillBlight> https://www.mono-project.com/download/stable/#download-lin
2019-02-07 00:13 <BillBlight> if you mean the repo that comes with ubuntu 14 than no, that is OLD
2019-02-07 00:13 <JeffKelley> i mean OS distro, ubuntu is still 4.2 today
2019-02-07 00:13 <BillBlight> not ubuntu 18
2019-02-07 00:13 <BillBlight> ubuntu 14 is pretty much EOL so of course it is not going to be updated
2019-02-07 00:14 <Tampa> security updates only iirc
2019-02-07 00:14 <JeffKelley> you're right, that's a 16.04 LTS
2019-02-07 00:14 <BillBlight> https://www.ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
2019-02-07 00:15 <BillBlight> that is the problem with not at least keeping up, if you get too far behind you get stuck there ..
2019-02-07 00:16 <BillBlight> April 2019 is total EOL for 14
2019-02-07 00:17 <Tampa> release upgrades work 99% of the time, just do a backup of your data beforehand and it should just be a matter of waiting for all the packages to install.
2019-02-07 00:17 <BillBlight> just FYI .. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
2019-02-07 00:17 <JeffKelley> that's a matter of apt dist-upgrade
2019-02-07 00:18 <Tampa> no dist-upgrade is not do-release-upgrade
2019-02-07 00:18 <BillBlight> you may have to go to 16 then to 18
2019-02-07 00:18 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 00:18 <JeffKelley> how ?
2019-02-07 00:19 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 00:20 <Tampa> doing a release upgrade on 14 should throw onto 16
2019-02-07 00:20 <Tampa> It goes from LTS to LTS
2019-02-07 00:21 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 00:21 <BillBlight> right you can't skip versions without doing a big song and dance ..
2019-02-07 00:21 <JeffKelley> i'm 16
2019-02-07 00:21 <JeffKelley> do-release-upgrade should do the job
2019-02-07 00:22 <BillBlight> but if you are on 16.04 that is still a supported release
2019-02-07 00:22 <BillBlight> just add the new mono repos
2019-02-07 00:22 <BillBlight> https://www.mono-project.com/download/stable/#download-lin
2019-02-07 00:24 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 00:26 <JeffKelley> so, upgrading from 16.0.4 to 18.0.4 is an option if I install the MONO repo?
2019-02-07 00:28 <Tampa> You can install the mono repo regardless of the distro version
2019-02-07 00:29 <Tampa> 14,16 and 18 are all able to use mono 5.4 to 5.18 just fine, you just need to follow the instructions on their download page and it will install mono on the latest stable
2019-02-07 00:30 <JeffKelley> good news, you are my champion
2019-02-07 00:32 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 00:33 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 00:37 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 00:38 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 00:43 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 00:46 <BillBlight> uhhh Ubit is MIA, what shall we do ... LOL
2019-02-07 00:46 <BillBlight> or maybe it is MII, Missing in IRC
2019-02-07 00:49 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 00:51 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 00:54 <JeffKelley> I have MONO 5.18 and can compile master. Back to testing.
2019-02-07 00:54 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 00:59 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 01:07 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 01:08 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 01:19 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 01:28 <osmantis> Bug #8474:04 Scripts cannot modify some sides of a prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8474 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 01:29 <osmantis> Bug #8474:04 Scripts cannot modify some sides of a prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8474 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-07 01:29 <osmantis> Bug #8474:04 Scripts cannot modify some sides of a prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8474 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-02-07 01:33 <osmantis> Bug #8474:04 Scripts cannot modify some sides of a prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8474 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-07 01:37 <osmantis> Bug #5939:04 reunify maptile & map configs into single place.  2 many places to adjust & fix with variants 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5939 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-07 01:40 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 01:50 <osmantis> Bug #5637:04 (windows) OpenSim.exe dont check its own filepath, and assume config files are in the path where you start opensim from. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5637 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 01:51 <osmantis> Bug #5637:04 (windows) OpenSim.exe dont check its own filepath, and assume config files are in the path where you start opensim from. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5637 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-07 04:42 <Plugh> This is odd. When I select the land it says there are 68 objects in the region. The number is in Region capacity and under Selected/sat upon. When I don't have the land selected the number of objects is 0. Yet the CPU load is still 200% for the region.
2019-02-07 05:16 <Tampa> ...can't help a guy that just leaves
2019-02-07 05:30 <BillBlight> well I think he is failing to count his avatar
2019-02-07 05:31 <BillBlight> and/or there is a parcel , OR, shit is actually out of bounds but being counted
2019-02-07 10:46 <osmantis> Bug #8382:04 TP some time fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8382 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 12:32 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-07 12:34 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-02-08 05:00 <Tampa> Someone got some sql to figure out how many unique grids have visited according to griduser table?
2019-02-08 05:26 <djphil> Tampa, you mean a grid list based on the avatar username after the @ in the griduser ?
2019-02-08 05:31 <Tampa> Just counting how many unique ones are in there
2019-02-08 05:34 <djphil> Yes, of course, but then you probably have to get the names of the grids and also store this one else because griduser is temporary, if you want some stats ...
2019-02-08 05:35 <Tampa> griduser is temporary?
2019-02-08 05:39 <djphil> oops my bad, "presence" is temporary, not griduser
2019-02-08 05:46 <Tampa> Inner join is not the solution, that just takes ages grrr
2019-02-08 05:47 <Tampa> sql so easy on paper and then it gets HARD
2019-02-08 05:52 <djphil> why not DISTINCT ...
2019-02-08 05:52 <djphil> but also you can't know the real grid name, only the grid uri ...
2019-02-08 05:53 <Tampa> distinct, but need to cut the uuid and name off first then
2019-02-08 05:55 <djphil> Ho yes, i see grid user don't include username, arfff
2019-02-08 05:56 <Tampa> need to first cut the uuid;grid;username thing to just be grid, then count distinct, problem is distinct wants to be first
2019-02-08 05:59 <djphil> i don't remember how a HG visitor uuid is formated in the db
2019-02-08 06:00 <djphil> i think hg visitor is uuid_zero no ?
2019-02-08 06:01 <Tampa> uuid;grid uri;name
2019-02-08 06:01 <djphil> all that :o
2019-02-08 06:01 <djphil> in UiserID row
2019-02-08 06:01 <Tampa> yep
2019-02-08 06:01 <djphil> ouch, okay
2019-02-08 06:02 <Tampa> if it was a single column I would not be asking that'd be simple, the ; delimiter makes it hard, especially single query sql
2019-02-08 06:04 <djphil> yeah a all in one request is more complicate for sure
2019-02-08 06:13 <djphil> you have try with WHERE strSplit(uuid, ';', 1) IS NOT NULL
2019-02-08 06:14 <djphil> or maybee with SUBSTRING_INDEX
2019-02-08 06:15 <djphil> https://www.w3schools.com/sql/func_mysql_substring_index.asp
2019-02-08 06:15 <Tampa> I can read the table out just with the grid uri, but then I have go through the array to distinct it, can't quite figure out how to put that into a single query
2019-02-08 06:20 <djphil> like this maybee http://www.marcogoncalves.com/mysql-split-column-string-into-rows/
2019-02-08 06:21 <Tampa> o_O
2019-02-08 06:21 <djphil> loool
2019-02-08 06:22 <djphil> that does not inspire you ^^
2019-02-08 06:26 <Tampa> I was hoping I could put the str replace into brackets then distinct the rest, but seems distinct does not like to run after
2019-02-08 06:32 <djphil> maybee try the operation in the result (ouside the query)
2019-02-08 06:32 <djphil> that more easy
2019-02-08 06:34 <Tampa> That's why I am doing with php, but the more php I add the longer it takes to generate, especially with all the array operations
2019-02-08 06:35 <djphil> if you say so ...
2019-02-08 06:39 <BillBlight> Why not run a job that every few minutes copies it to a new table, then you have as much time as you need to run a query on it for the distinct entries
2019-02-08 06:39 <djphil> yep
2019-02-08 06:40 <djphil> i know Foto is good for advanced mysql query's
2019-02-08 06:40 <BillBlight> I think that man dreams about mysql
2019-02-08 06:41 <djphil> probably yeah
2019-02-08 06:42 <Tampa> Well execution time kinda matters when the entire stat page already takes 490ms to run
2019-02-08 06:45 <BillBlight> well that is why you copy to a new table and don't generate the states in real time, generate every few minutes and just display the results from yet another table
2019-02-08 06:46 <BillBlight> Not like it is the stock exchange that needs to be updated every second
2019-02-08 06:46 <BillBlight> would greatly reduce the query load
2019-02-08 06:48 <BillBlight> 490ms is less than half a second, if you and your users are that impatient, you need to get out more ...
2019-02-08 06:49 <Tampa> It's not impatience, more a strive to write better code or rather better sql statements
2019-02-08 06:51 <BillBlight> there is only so much you can do in mysql itself, better to look at ways of pulling the data out and then manipulating it rathere than trying to do it in the live DB tables
2019-02-08 06:52 <BillBlight> You are asking the opensim DB to provide data it was never intened to provide, better to drop the data in a new table or even a new DB and then screw with that one
2019-02-08 06:53 <BillBlight> Not only will your query be againsta a smaller DB if you pull it out, it will also be on a table that is not constantly being updated
2019-02-08 06:53 <BillBlight> work smart not hard .. :P
2019-02-08 06:54 <Tampa> Well I could still use the query even if I then stuff it into another table or file
2019-02-08 06:54 <BillBlight> doing it against the live opensim db is like hitting a moving target
2019-02-08 06:54 <Tampa> Dpesn't hurt to try and learn something in the process
2019-02-08 07:05 <djphil> maybee the new database can contain only the external visitors ...
2019-02-08 10:55 <JeffKelley> SELECT DISTINCT SUBSTRING_INDEX(SUBSTRING(UserID,38),';',1) FROM GridUser;
2019-02-08 18:11 <nuk1> The wish about the dimensions and the algorithm of the collision Hello! I want to raise the issue of size and scale. A very unpleasant trend in OS and SL are non-standard sizes of buildings (they are larger than in reality). The reason for this is the inability to pass into the standard openings. Now I have 170 centimeters an avatar, and can't go through the openings more of its dimensions (70 cm by 180 cm), not to mention the openi
2019-02-08 18:11 <nuk1> ngs of a smaller size.
2019-02-08 18:12 <nuk1> But in life a person can go sideways or Crouch, or crawl. Please consider changing the algorithm for calculating collisions with obstacles.  Please add to the algorithm code that calculated the possibility of passage through the dimensions. If the avatar is some sort of size () can squeeze into the doorway, then he should squeeze. And the animation works - squeezed sideways. - squeezed on all fours - squeezed his way through one l
2019-02-08 18:12 <nuk1> eg then the other.
2019-02-08 18:12 <nuk1> The impossibility of passage in a standard structure a very bad effect on the realism of the world. Everything has to be done on a larger scale, and people become like Lilliputians in a giant's house. In fairly cases, that's fine. But it is impossible to create for example copies of the office. You have to edit the buildings imported from the standard project.
2019-02-08 18:12 <nuk1> The same thing to think about when faced with furniture. It is clear that in life a person goes around the furniture, he sees it and the body as it can go around. Avatar doesn't know it and bangs everywhere. It kills realism.
2019-02-08 18:12 <nuk1> Still it is necessary to study the camera to the standard room focus expanded and the camera did not go beyond the walls. At some point, the camera can automatically switch to the first-person view when there is not enough space, and then back.
2019-02-08 18:12 <nuk1> It's bad when the avatar is 160 cm can not pass the door of 180 cm.  Very bad situation with stairs, there in many places even with large openings avatar gets stuck.
2019-02-08 18:13 <nuk1> Buildings of increased size pull the fact that people begin to increase the furniture, and for the increase in furniture, many are trying to increase the avatar. Has become the norm avatar 200 or more see A this in turn again causes a problem of passage to the openings already integrated buildings. And so vicious circle.
2019-02-08 18:13 <BillBlight> You realize you can change the capsule size and such in the ini files right?  But this may cause other issues
2019-02-08 18:14 <nuk1> The main issue is that the avatar cannot pass the openings that are more his size. This is wrong.
2019-02-08 18:15 <BillBlight> that is bounding box size for collisions this can also be adjusted in the ini files
2019-02-08 18:15 <nuk1> This is especially noticeable on yachts, airplanes, cars. There are so many 3D building projects that could be imported into OS. But this is difficult, because then they have to be heavily modified and increased.
2019-02-08 18:15 <nuk1> It would be more logical to simply rework the algorithm for determining the dimensions and the mechanism of passage (squeezing) into the openings. The algorithm needs to calculate what's the picture (horizontal, vertical) is less opening, and in which the position is able to overcome the gap. After all, avatar flexible.But to start at least remove the bug that can not pass in apertures of dimensions bigger than myself.
2019-02-08 18:16 <misterblue> the avatar is modeled in the physics engines as a cylindrical capsule (cylinder with rounded top and bottom)
2019-02-08 18:16 <misterblue> BulletSim might just be a pure cylinder as that is less compute intensive
2019-02-08 18:16 <nuk1> but this must be done everywhere. Now this problem just distorts the game and reality. Everyone has to make huge doors, huge ceilings. The whole game is like a country of giants at home
2019-02-08 18:17 <misterblue> I played with making it a flattened cylinder but the Bullet physics engine didn't implement that properly
2019-02-08 18:18 <BillBlight>  This is definately less of an issue with ubODE
2019-02-08 18:18 <misterblue> SL uses a mesh shape that is more body shaped but it still does not conform exactly to the visible avatar mesh shape
2019-02-08 18:18 <BillBlight> but most of this can be tweaked in the [LL-Functions] part of the defaults ini
2019-02-08 18:19 <BillBlight>     ; Avatar bounding box, upper Z value, constant part, when standing
2019-02-08 18:19 <BillBlight>     UpperAvatarBoundingBoxStandingZconst = 0.1
2019-02-08 18:19 <BillBlight> for example
2019-02-08 18:19 <BillBlight>     ; Avatar bounding box, upper Z value, coefficient to multiply with avatar height, when standing
2019-02-08 18:19 <BillBlight>     UpperAvatarBoundingBoxStandingZcoeff = 0.5
2019-02-08 18:19 <misterblue> there is also a problem with creating collision shapes from prims... ubit has been improving the prim to mesh generation for physics but there have been problems with holes and hollows not meshing correctly
2019-02-08 18:19 <nuk1> But is it not possible to add analysis to the algorithm, that there is an opening, and that in this case, in reality, a person would be a little like that crouched or passed sideways or shrunk, or squeezed or crawled. That is, movement in the OS such as Bud is the picture of the cast with the spokes
2019-02-08 18:20 <BillBlight> you can't modify the physics of a hole on the fly just because an avatar wants to pass through it, just as you can't modify the avatar bounding box on the fly just because they want to go through something
2019-02-08 18:20 <misterblue> the 'opening' you see in the viewer is not necessarily the opening that the physics engine is using
2019-02-08 18:21 <BillBlight> yep
2019-02-08 18:21 <BillBlight> they are a bit different for each physics engine
2019-02-08 18:22 <misterblue> but those are just technical excuses... the size and fit problem has been discussed extensivily in both the OpenSim and SL forums
2019-02-08 18:22 <BillBlight> but technical excuses, is what we have since it is a tech problem
2019-02-08 18:23 <misterblue> while there could be some work done to improve the avatar to world collisions, there is the general problem of avatar size, world size, and perception of rooms and buildings in VR
2019-02-08 18:23 <misterblue> it is a large problem
2019-02-08 18:23 <BillBlight> yep
2019-02-08 18:23 <BillBlight> the other issue when you build to real world scale, is camera position, when you build to "real world" scale your camera ends up in a wall most the time
2019-02-08 18:24 <nuk1> But this is the problem. It must be solved. I saw the toilet object. There was a small door, but the avatar came back normal (with animation). May be you can all of the opening where you plan the arrival of the avatar to set some property so that when you approach (or pass) the engine knew what an avatar is. And even if there's a small aisle size to animate the squeezing and skipping the avatar
2019-02-08 18:24 <misterblue> you are right, nuk1, there is a bunch that could be done to improve the limited avatar collisions
2019-02-08 18:24 <BillBlight> I think of it like this when I build, "the camera and the avatar are one entiity, and build to fit both"
2019-02-08 18:25 <misterblue> it would be nice to improve it... the SL avatar model OS inherited is very limited in its interaction with the world and with other avatars
2019-02-08 18:26 <BillBlight> Even things like HiFidelity and gasp, Sansar have bounding box issues, and they are  much more advanced than SL or Opensimulator
2019-02-08 18:27 <nuk1> It may be possible for passages to attach the property of a teleport, or just some algorithm that reads the coordinates, and if you aim to pass, he just ignores you
2019-02-08 18:27 <misterblue> something like animations that can be set off by the things around the avatar?
2019-02-08 18:27 <BillBlight> so you waste cpu cycles changing properties on the fly, what If I just want to stand in front of the wall, or it is a window that I want to stand in front of
2019-02-08 18:28 <misterblue> currently, there is a simple set of standard animations (sit, crouch, jump, fly, ...) that are set off by avatar movement
2019-02-08 18:28 <BillBlight> if the bounding box is too big for you change the setting in the ini till it fits what you want ..
2019-02-08 18:29 <Plugh> nuk1: The scale of buildings and furniture has been oversized compared to the real world for a long time, starting with SL. Max prim size was 10m so people started making walls 10m high. Everything else had to scale accordingly. Doesn't help that the avatar camera position is also a bit on the high side.
2019-02-08 18:29 <nuk1> Sorry I'm slow, I don't speak English, I use a translator. I recently became interested in OS, but was greatly surprised by the unreality of the scale of the houses. And people are constantly making them more and more. Then make more avatars, and then again doing more of the house and passages, because the big avatars again, do not go.
2019-02-08 18:29 <nuk1> I made myself a real height of 170 centimeters, and look like a dwarf in the OS world.
2019-02-08 18:30 <BillBlight> And if things were not oversized the default camera would put your view in the wall or ceiling 90% of the time and  you would not be able to see where you are going anyway
2019-02-08 18:31 <Ubit> err what is not meshing sorrectly on ubode ??
2019-02-08 18:31 <BillBlight> If you build to normal ceiling height, your view ends up on the second floor
2019-02-08 18:31 <Ubit> im not aware of any prim meshing issues on ubide
2019-02-08 18:31 <BillBlight> we are talking bounding box
2019-02-08 18:31 <Ubit> or ubode
2019-02-08 18:31 <BillBlight> at least I though, avatar bounding box being bigger than the avatar
2019-02-08 18:32 <Ubit> no MB spoke about meshing
2019-02-08 18:32 <Ubit> bounding box is bad all over the board
2019-02-08 18:32 <Plugh> nuk1: There is a group of people in SL that made items to real world scale. My avatar size is set to about 6'. I have made some houses to a more real world scale. There is still a scaling factor between feet and meters that means objects are truly larger than real world but its a lot closer.
2019-02-08 18:33 <BillBlight> but this also requires you to change the default camera view in the vierwer
2019-02-08 18:33 <BillBlight> or it is almost unuseable
2019-02-08 18:33 <Plugh> yes, it does. I have the information on that (somewhere).
2019-02-08 18:33 <BillBlight> I have done the same Plugh
2019-02-08 18:34 <BillBlight> and once you make the camera that tight, control over it is pretty hard
2019-02-08 18:34 <AliciaRaven> also no one wants to be short, everyone in SL sets avatar hight as tall as they can, and these days ass size as big as they can
2019-02-08 18:34 <nuk1> huge avatars and houses prevent to implement projects with real buildings. Avatars can't just go in there and hit the ceiling. A lot of projects could be done with architecture, shows buildings, check buildings for ergonomics, but it is impossible to do with the state of avatars in OS,
2019-02-08 18:34 <Ubit> a solution mane games had for camera issue is... no camera only avatar eyes :p
2019-02-08 18:34 <Plugh> A grid could provide default avatars of more realistic heights.
2019-02-08 18:35 <Ubit> ir 1st person view only
2019-02-08 18:35 <Ubit> on 3rd view, you will never be happy
2019-02-08 18:35 <BillBlight> yes but there is still the bounding box issue, as it is bigger than the avatar regardless of the size of the avatar, but as I said that can be tweaked
2019-02-08 18:35 <Plugh> That would be better. We don't see ourselves from behind in the real world. 
2019-02-08 18:35 <Ubit> what bbox issue?
2019-02-08 18:35 <nuk1> Well, if someone wants to stand against the wall-let it stand. You can then do that if someone wants to go into the opening, the opening can hover the mouse to click and set "pass" "forced pass", even if the physics does not allow. And only then does the animation of squeezing into the opening turn on
2019-02-08 18:36 <Ubit> unless yor talking viewer side
2019-02-08 18:36 <BillBlight> if you make a door visual avatar size they still can't go through it
2019-02-08 18:36 <Ubit> well if the avatar is short it will pass :p
2019-02-08 18:36 <BillBlight> yes but don't think that was the point
2019-02-08 18:37 <BillBlight> what he wants is if your avatar is 2m tall then it should be able to walk through an opening that is 2.0001m
2019-02-08 18:37 <Ubit> guess you can
2019-02-08 18:37 <BillBlight> no you can't
2019-02-08 18:37 <BillBlight> lol
2019-02-08 18:37 <Ubit> well 2.01
2019-02-08 18:37 <Ubit> yes you can
2019-02-08 18:38 <BillBlight> yes with ubODE yes
2019-02-08 18:38 <BillBlight> why I added extra zeros
2019-02-08 18:38 <Ubit> well those extra zeros are just zero
2019-02-08 18:40 <Ubit> i considered making some animations change avatar size
2019-02-08 18:40 <Ubit> i mean animation states
2019-02-08 18:40 <Ubit> but, real viewer size is unpredictale
2019-02-08 18:41 <Ubit> what my work for standard crunch ?? ugly ani may be bad on other
2019-02-08 18:41 <Ubit> well that anim it just ugly anyways .. guess there as a joke
2019-02-08 18:42 <nuk1> What if we change the focus of the camera, and in some cases to make translucent walls (ceilings). Or in exceptional cases do force the view from 1 person
2019-02-08 18:43 <BillBlight> does the real world have translucent walls?  See you are substituting one unreality for another
2019-02-08 18:43 <Ubit> regions don't get camera focus position
2019-02-08 18:43 <Ubit> even a pain to detect mouselook
2019-02-08 18:43 <Ubit> of free camera
2019-02-08 18:44 <Ubit> but for camera we only get direction and max view range
2019-02-08 18:44 <Ubit> well some games do use the translucent trick
2019-02-08 18:45 <BillBlight> yep
2019-02-08 18:45 <Ubit> if you are in the middle of bushs you don't see them
2019-02-08 18:45 <BillBlight> but we were talking simulating reality, so it is just a trade off
2019-02-08 18:45 <Ubit> this is only illusion
2019-02-08 18:45 <Ubit> not real simulation
2019-02-08 18:46 <nuk1> Generally, ideally the avatar is 2 meters, should be held (to fit) in an aperture of 1 m. Because in life we can get, to duck, to Dodge, to bend, to crawl in the end
2019-02-08 18:46 <Ubit> damm even seen a suposed nasa pub video... a deep space probe with jets on runnig in straight line
2019-02-08 18:46 <Ubit> damm movies still so bad
2019-02-08 18:47 <Ubit> but star wars.. well ok.. space cowboys.. ok...  but nasa?? grr
2019-02-08 18:47 <nuk1> Maybe you can add a "forced pass" by clicking the mouse? It upsets me so much that my world cannot be visited by the avatars of the bully. All have become what the long. This is wrong. Everyone is trying to get even bigger because the houses are huge, the chairs are huge, and people don't want to be short in the background.
2019-02-08 18:48 <Ubit> just mke the than door contour physics type none
2019-02-08 18:48 <Ubit> the damm
2019-02-08 18:50 <nuk1> In large projects it is so much to redo. This entire wall should be divided into elements
2019-02-08 18:51 <Ubit> well that will break immersion a bit
2019-02-08 18:51 <BillBlight> my avatar height is 2.19 I just created a door way of 2.201 meters and I am able to pass though without an issue on ubODE
2019-02-08 18:51 <Ubit> grr i told you :p
2019-02-08 18:51 <BillBlight> yep
2019-02-08 18:51 <nuk1> In General, it was like a wish to the developers. The cry of the soul. So many projects could be implemented if neither of these problems. Now really if you import a file building real, it in the world OS getting toy small compared to other homes of the giants
2019-02-08 18:52 <Ubit> yeap as said, a issue imported from sl
2019-02-08 18:52 <Ubit> like 2m avatars
2019-02-08 18:52 <BillBlight> so on ubODE there is a .02m bounding box, and visually I doubt you will notice a .02m difference in real world scale
2019-02-08 18:53 <BillBlight> (I say bounding box but more of a physics margin)
2019-02-08 18:53 <Ubit> no ubode is not adding any margin
2019-02-08 18:53 <BillBlight> most likely placed there by the viewer
2019-02-08 18:53 <Ubit> its bare capsule size
2019-02-08 18:53 <Ubit> as said by viewer
2019-02-08 18:54 <BillBlight> so I don't see the issue, obviously nuk1 has not tested this problem with ubODE
2019-02-08 18:54 <Ubit> if viewers did change the size acording to animation, ubode would kinda follow
2019-02-08 18:55 <Ubit> but, plain capsule with same vetical orientation , bc reasons
2019-02-08 18:56 <BillBlight> just changed my height as short as I could make it 1.76m and pass though a 1.78m opening with no problem
2019-02-08 19:01 <nuk1> Yes, but it probably plays a role not only height, but width. Avatar puts his hands to the side when walking and the standard door can not pass. You need to do is usually almost 2 times wider than the door
2019-02-08 19:02 <Ubit> witds are constant currently
2019-02-08 19:03 <nuk1> I've made a small avatar, 1.50, and even at this size it may not pass many doors (openings) in a standard ordinary house. Not to mention the stairs and openings in the ceilings
2019-02-08 19:03 <Ubit> dif physics engines may do it dif
2019-02-08 19:05 <BillBlight> nuk1 are you usinig ubODE or Bullet physics
2019-02-08 19:05 <BillBlight> I just made an opening 2.201m high , 1m wide my avatar is 1.9m tall and I can walk through fine
2019-02-08 19:06 <BillBlight> https://i.gyazo.com/82503b5eb3ad6228862ebbd508146570.gif
2019-02-08 19:08 <BillBlight> I guess the other question to ask what version of Opensimulator you are using nuk1?
2019-02-08 19:10 <BillBlight> took the width down to .75m still able to pass through
2019-02-08 19:11 <BillBlight> can still pass through at .6m
2019-02-08 19:11 <BillBlight> but not at .5
2019-02-08 19:12 <Ubit> ( what part of fixed width you missed? :p )
2019-02-08 19:12 <BillBlight> I caught that
2019-02-08 19:12 <BillBlight> but was not sure what that FIX was
2019-02-08 19:12 <Ubit> btw try pass sideways
2019-02-08 19:12 <BillBlight> hehe
2019-02-08 19:13 <BillBlight> you tell me how to make my avatar walk sideways and I will
2019-02-08 19:13 <Ubit> hmm not sure i didnt revert code i used to have on that
2019-02-08 19:14 <Ubit> isn't that a key comb that mks ava step side ?
2019-02-08 19:14 <Ubit> there..
2019-02-08 19:16 <BillBlight> yeah it is shift left or right and that still works too
2019-02-08 19:16 <BillBlight> at .6m
2019-02-08 19:17 <BillBlight> I totally forgot about that, and I use it all the time on vehicles, duh
2019-02-08 19:21 <BillBlight> so in testing have concluded that there is a .02m upper margin for avatar height and min clearance for width is .6m when using ubODE, so not seeing an issue.
2019-02-08 19:23 <BillBlight> Tested using current master code with ubODE physics ...
2019-02-08 19:27 <nuk1> You have there there is no problems on what the abode. And we have users in obanos client on OSGrid - does not pass anything. You will descend to ordinary people on simple servers and clients
2019-02-08 19:27 <BillBlight> ubODE is an option in all current opensim code, failure to use the correct settings that work for your needs is not a code issue, it is a education issue
2019-02-08 19:28 <nuk1> The problem is not something that is not solved, it completely kills the comfort of the OS. The easiest thing to say is "problem solved" and do nothing
2019-02-08 19:29 <BillBlight> Problem is solved with ubODE which is the newest physics engine, living in the  past also includes taking the weaknesses that come with it ..
2019-02-08 19:30 <AliciaRaven> if the door is an imported mesh, its physics shape may not be the same as the visual mesh
2019-02-08 19:30 <BillBlight> ^^ That TOO ^^
2019-02-08 19:32 <BillBlight> I built my test door out of prim to test exact visual and physics sizes , this confirms that , at least when using ubODE what the tolerance is for an avatar to pass, and it seems that the limits are much smaller than with Bullet ..  Again, ubODE is what going on 4 years old now, NOT a new thing ..
2019-02-08 19:34 <BillBlight> I'd be happy to drop my test door on my region on osGrid for you to test yourself
2019-02-08 19:41 <BillBlight> test door, on dev outreach, width .6m height 2.21 meter and 1.79ish versions out for testing
2019-02-08 20:00 <Tampa> In reality humans can't fly, let's remove that, OpenSim land is flat, flat earth confirmed... lol
2019-02-08 20:01 <BillBlight> HAHA .. truth
2019-02-08 20:04 <Tampa> male avatars by default don't have genitals, I find that oppressive and sexist /s
2019-02-08 20:07 <JeffKelley> we should really mantis this genitals issue
2019-02-08 20:08 <Tampa> lol
2019-02-08 20:08 <JeffKelley> did you find your magic sql query, Tampa ?
2019-02-08 20:08 <Tampa> Yes Bill sent me one that works
2019-02-08 20:08 <JeffKelley> try this one : SELECT DISTINCT SUBSTRING_INDEX(SUBSTRING(UserID,38),';',1) FROM GridUser;
2019-02-08 20:09 <BillBlight> SELECT DISTINCT SUBSTRING_INDEX(SUBSTRING_INDEX(UserID, ';', 2), ';', -1) FROM GridUser WHERE UserID LIKE "%http%";
2019-02-08 20:17 <BillBlight> I'm going to leave those test doorways up on Dev Outreach, on osGrid, to show that it does work, for a while, maybe a week or two
2019-02-08 20:44 <nuk1> But if people fly in OS, then let them pass through the walls. At least let them go through the door. Your arguments not to this example, and contrary confirm my words. I'm not talking about the ban to go through the door, but rather to allow.
2019-02-08 20:46 <BillBlight> Go to dev outreach and you will see it works simply by using the newer physics engine, 
2019-02-08 20:48 <BillBlight> If you are talking about a "mesh" door way, that could or could not be the softwares fault, if it is not modeled with the correct physics shape for the openings, the software is just using what it is given.
2019-02-08 20:48 <BillBlight> Just because you SEE an opening of that size , that does not mean that is the phsyics shape it was told to  use ..
2019-02-08 20:51 <BillBlight> An option to fix your issue has been offered, should  you choose to not take it, that is your choice
2019-02-08 20:51 <Tampa> Every "engine" has its quirks and features, one learns to deal with them, work around them and abuse them where needed, that's the whole fun
2019-02-08 20:52 <AliciaRaven> and remember u can always disable physics on a mesh if its that important
2019-02-08 20:53 <BillBlight> or you can use proper mesh , if it is REALLY important
2019-02-08 23:38 <misterblue> might be time to make ubODE the default physics engine
2019-02-09 08:32 <Tampa> Just thinking aloud. Assets can be deduped by way of database keeping tabs on the hash data of each asset. So if a new one with the same hash exists its just linked with the new uuid. Storage as files based on the hash, why not turn it around. If new assets are simply entered into a filesystem then, well no way to dedupe other than going over comparing hashes and symlinking things I suppose. Could enter the uuid and hash and check for 
2019-02-09 08:32 <Tampa> whats not distinct then dedupe that, still requiring database though, but suppose would see less queries that way, only on post not get. May run into io issues that way though so have to put get out to cdn or maybe even raid and clusters.
2019-02-09 10:40 <osmantis> Bug #5055:04 Problem with bot in megaregion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5055 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-09 10:41 <osmantis> Bug #5107:04 Exporting Routines from RegionMod to MRM 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5107 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-09 10:44 <osmantis> Bug #5200:04 Gesture and inventory sounds do not work inworld 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5200 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-09 10:49 <osmantis> Bug #5215:04 Registration of region with grid failed, aborting startup due to Outside range [MinValue,MaxValue] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5215 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-09 10:53 <osmantis> Bug #5264:04 Region dont show up after reset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5264 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2019-02-09 10:55 <osmantis> Bug #5373:04 APPLICATION EXCEPTION DETECTED: System.ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Non-negative number required 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5373 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-09 10:56 <osmantis> Bug #5407:04 Send Objekt to a other Region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5407 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-09 10:57 <osmantis> Bug #5483:04 The tables Presence and GridUsers are not updated when a HG-Visitor comes back or changes regions. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5483 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-09 11:00 <osmantis> Bug #5565:04 Standing up after sit animation will cause damage in osdamage enabled land - unless object is phantom 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5565 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-09 11:04 <osmantis> Bug #5550:04 Error with EstateStore if you have more than one region and you want them to join the same estate. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5550 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-09 11:06 <osmantis> Bug #5464:04 disabled lsl-scripts set to run after update to 0.7.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5464 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-09 11:07 <osmantis> Bug #5659:04 [Proposal/Discussion] Providing missing sim-specific information to viewers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5659 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-09 11:08 <osmantis> Bug #5956:04 Stopped scripts get started after opensim upgrade. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5956 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-09 11:09 <osmantis> Bug #6116:04 llResetScript behaves weird 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6116 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-09 11:12 <osmantis> Bug #6159:04 opensim create region command provides default values it should know to be invalid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6159 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-09 11:17 <osmantis> Bug #6151:04 Taking in-world snapshots fails with "Please enter your email address" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6151 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2019-02-09 11:18 <osmantis> Bug #6294:04 unable to do group voice chat 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6294 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-09 11:20 <osmantis> Bug #6329:04 OpenSim.ini.example and OpenSimDefaults.ini - MaptileRefresh = 0 or 7200 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6329 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-09 11:22 <Tampa> Fun stuff, seeing light at the end of the tunnel though... now if only all this confirmed and acknowledged stuff would get some love hint hint
2019-02-09 11:23 <osmantis> Bug #6392:04 When I am building, it crashes and I get kicked off of the grid. I have to "quit"  the OpenSim.exe and restart in a new terminal 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6392 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-09 11:26 <osmantis> Bug #6617:04 Add regex on search for region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6617 ): has been ACKNOWLEDGED.
2019-02-09 11:30 <osmantis> Bug #6820:04 Maptiles dont get deleted from robust grid server after clean region shutdown. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6820 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008314.
2019-02-09 11:30 <osmantis> Bug #8314:04 Map tile generation from robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8314 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006820.
2019-02-09 11:31 <osmantis> Bug #6790:04 setzen Home Address 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6790 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-09 19:32 <osmantis> Bug #8475:04 The wish about the dimensions and the algorithm of the colli 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8475 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-02-09 20:18 <BillBlight> I can't believe that guy opened a ticket
2019-02-09 20:22 <osmantis> Bug #8475:04 The wish about the dimensions and the algorithm of the colli 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8475 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-09 20:23 <osmantis> Bug #8475:04 The wish about the dimensions and the algorithm of the colli 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8475 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-09 20:53 <osmantis> Bug #6294:04 unable to do group voice chat 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6294 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-02-09 21:11 <JeffKelley> Is there a ubode sandbox on osgrid ?
2019-02-09 21:11 <Ubit> plaza III
2019-02-09 22:55 <BillBlight> @JeffKelley, if you hop over to Dev Outreach there are some ubODE jetskis and boats to take for a spin
2019-02-09 22:55 <BillBlight> fair warning the JetSkis are fast ..
2019-02-09 22:57 <JeffKelley> BillBlight, thanks; i've made a test in plaza III that confirms a configuration issue on my side; on the road, i could make a comparison between bullet and ubode, and i think there is an issue in bullet
2019-02-09 23:07 <JeffKelley> 'cause same script give very different results in bullet and legacy ode, bullet seems to ignore horizontal component of llApplyImpulse, wich is not the case in release
2019-02-09 23:08 <BillBlight> I still don't understand why people seem to be so terrified of ubODE
2019-02-09 23:08 <Ubit> legacy ode? plaza III is not legacy ode
2019-02-09 23:09 <Ubit> legacy ode is plaza, bullet plaza II ( err or the way around )
2019-02-09 23:09 <JeffKelley> Sanbox Plaza I so yes, legacy ode
2019-02-09 23:09 <Ubit> well not III 
2019-02-09 23:10 <Ubit> or dev outreach of course
2019-02-09 23:10 <JeffKelley> tested on III with expected result
2019-02-09 23:10 <Ubit> ok bc scripts made for legacy ode, most likely will not work on either more recent
2019-02-09 23:11 <Ubit> well will not work well
2019-02-09 23:11 <BillBlight> Dev Outreach is YEngine and ubODE
2019-02-09 23:11 <BillBlight> as is the sim next to it Dev Outreach Test
2019-02-09 23:13 <JeffKelley> i think i may forget about legacy ode, i compare bullet & ubode for accuracy, checking if a same impulse gives same trajectory
2019-02-09 23:13 <BillBlight> bet it doesn't
2019-02-09 23:13 <Ubit> its really not spec to have them do exactly the same
2019-02-09 23:14 <BillBlight> they are apples and oranges
2019-02-09 23:14 <JeffKelley> it's not an issue to be different from physics to physics, it's more an issue when if varies inside the same physics
2019-02-09 23:14 <Ubit> some variations btw SL havoc, bullet ubode ( phyX) implementations are more than expected
2019-02-09 23:15 <Ubit> assuming all do suport the feature ( that excludes legacy ode in some cases )
2019-02-09 23:15 <JeffKelley> and from what i see, bullet has improved on this
2019-02-09 23:15 <Ubit> havoc/k i always forget the right name
2019-02-09 23:15 <BillBlight> Yeah it's Havok
2019-02-09 23:16 <Ubit> well 0.9 not only introduced ubode
2019-02-09 23:16 <Ubit> there where a few minor changes.. 
2019-02-09 23:16 <Ubit> ("minor")
2019-02-09 23:16 <JeffKelley> in 0.9.0, bullet was giving two solutions for the trajectory, switching randomly from one to the other
2019-02-09 23:16 <BillBlight> And ubODE for stock opensim is going on 4 years old
2019-02-09 23:17 <JeffKelley> i don't see this behavior in master
2019-02-09 23:17 <Ubit> bistable orbits.. so cool
2019-02-09 23:18 <JeffKelley> and btw, WHAT IS Yengine ???
2019-02-09 23:18 <BillBlight> new script engine
2019-02-09 23:18 <BillBlight> well new to stock opensim
2019-02-09 23:18 <JeffKelley> i could not find any information about Y
2019-02-09 23:19 <BillBlight> it used to be called XMREngine
2019-02-09 23:26 <Ubit> or soe, objects ther is a massive dif btw ubode and bullet on rotations
2019-02-09 23:26 <Ubit> bullet places all mass on root prim position
2019-02-09 23:26 <Ubit> ubode places it on extimated center of mass of the  linkset
2019-02-09 23:27 <Ubit> and estimated also
2019-02-09 23:27 <Ubit> that results on totaly dif rotations..
2019-02-10 00:16 <BillBlight> oops did not see that you had responded to that Paela
2019-02-10 00:18 <BillBlight> "simple users" are the source of more issues I swear ..
2019-02-10 00:21 <paela> =)
2019-02-10 00:22 <BillBlight> Seems like the mantis has decided it does not like to play on IRC anymore
2019-02-10 00:23 <Tampa> osmantis is deserting us, we shall not let this deter us, onward my brethren!
2019-02-10 00:24 <paela> Anyone know the name he have in Osgrid please ? i will contact him directly inworld poluate the Mantis for a no bug make me grr
2019-02-10 00:27 <Tampa> I'm going to resolve that issue soonish before my brain commits sudoku or something
2019-02-10 00:29 <BillBlight> No idea of his name, I almost begged him to come to my region so I could show him it worked , and got dead silence ..
2019-02-10 00:31 <BillBlight> I know there is a language barrier , but does what he says make any sense at all??  Is he just using free land on osGrid, not running his own regions, I am very confused .. 
2019-02-10 00:32 <Tampa> Welp I am resolving this now
2019-02-10 00:32 <paela> Well in osgrid default config of simulators is bullet, if the owner sim not change he use bullet i do not understand why opensim not make in default ubode in work :)
2019-02-10 00:33 <BillBlight> because of all the crying with the old broken mesh
2019-02-10 00:33 <BillBlight> but after almost 4 years it might be time to just let them cry ..
2019-02-10 00:34 <paela>     physics = ubODE
2019-02-10 00:34 <paela>     meshing = Meshmerizer
2019-02-10 00:34 <paela>     work too but is very ugly lol
2019-02-10 00:34 <Ubit> meshing = Meshmerizer ???
2019-02-10 00:34 <BillBlight> should not promote that as it is VERY ugly
2019-02-10 00:34 <paela> ya lols
2019-02-10 00:35 <Ubit> ugly? you mean stupid
2019-02-10 00:35 <Tampa> Why is that even possible
2019-02-10 00:35 <paela> is just for woke ubit 
2019-02-10 00:35 <BillBlight> are we going to have to change Paela's name to Arielle?
2019-02-10 00:35 <paela> :D
2019-02-10 00:35 <BillBlight> :P
2019-02-10 00:35 <paela> Aw no that poor this giggle
2019-02-10 00:35 <Ubit> sounds like 
2019-02-10 00:36 <paela> well is maybe the moment kill all mesh with no physical ? no peoples can re upload it with isnt complicated 
2019-02-10 00:37 <paela> now*
2019-02-10 00:37 <BillBlight> people want to be lazy
2019-02-10 00:37 <paela> well peoples ask me about mesh problem in simulators i run in ubode i said make that shitty mesh in trash lol
2019-02-10 00:40 <paela> tampa we not support opensim soft bug in osg forums ^^ only the config but i think he have make him question like a bug for i send him in mantis ( 4 days before )
2019-02-10 00:41 <BillBlight> He wants to be a bug, but it's not, sometimes, things are , "Just the way it works"
2019-02-10 00:43 <Tampa> Rather him post in an actual user forum, more people to hammer into his skull that is it intended behavior
2019-02-10 00:44 <Tampa> Trying to clean the mantis, this guy comes along fml
2019-02-10 00:44 <paela> maybe add more tutorial in wiki of osgrid i need see with foxx we have not part for explain what change with bullet and ubode
2019-02-10 00:44 <BillBlight> As I said , I know there is a language barrier, but he seems to ignore all suggestions and fixes, but the way he said they he can't touch the Opensim.ini, makes me think he is just a free land moocher, and does not even know how or want to run his own region.
2019-02-10 00:45 <Tampa> All the more reason to send him toward where he got the land from in the first place
2019-02-10 00:45 <BillBlight> Obviously someone is letting him build somewhere
2019-02-10 00:46 <Tampa> That poor fool
2019-02-10 00:46 <BillBlight> some people may not even know, hell I had a region connected to osGrid for six months a while back that I totally forgot about till I rebooted the server and saw it come up ..
2019-02-10 00:46 <paela> (Nukisik kisik) him name in osgrid
2019-02-10 00:46 <paela> but offline
2019-02-10 00:47 <BillBlight> That is a lot of K's
2019-02-10 00:49 <Tampa> Even so he still appears no to be oK...
2019-02-10 00:49 <Tampa> you may crucify me for that pun
2019-02-10 00:51 <BillBlight> You are to be PUNished and sent to the PUNitentory 
2019-02-10 07:35 <tglion> hi
2019-02-10 08:05 <Tampa> hello
2019-02-10 08:54 <osmantis> Bug #6617:04 Add regex on search for region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6617 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-10 16:30 <djphil> What the problem with https://www.hypergridbusiness.com/ website :o
2019-02-10 16:39 <JeffKelley> that's the Index of / virus
2019-02-10 16:40 <JeffKelley> djphil : do you have dynamic texture rezing problems with Firestorm 6 beta ?
2019-02-10 16:40 <djphil> no
2019-02-10 16:41 <djphil> what is your problem?
2019-02-10 16:41 <JeffKelley> grey texture
2019-02-10 16:42 <djphil> did you change your scripts?
2019-02-10 16:43 <JeffKelley> no, i'm pretty sure that's a viewer issue; fixed by reloging
2019-02-10 16:43 <djphil> it may be necessary if you use the "blend" fonction
2019-02-10 16:43 <djphil> ha that
2019-02-10 16:43 <djphil> hmmm no, i hove not this old issue ...
2019-02-10 16:43 <JeffKelley> i'm using the same function since 1970
2019-02-10 16:44 <djphil> my birtday year :p
2019-02-10 16:44 <JeffKelley> "beginning of the universe"
2019-02-10 17:06 <osmantis> Bug #6151:04 Taking in-world snapshots fails with "Please enter your email address" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6151 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-10 17:10 <osmantis> Bug #6151:04 Taking in-world snapshots fails with "Please enter your email address" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6151 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-10 17:19 <osmantis> Bug #6820:04 Maptiles dont get deleted from robust grid server after clean region shutdown. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6820 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-10 18:48 <osmantis> Bug #8476:04 guest entrance 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8476 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-02-10 18:50 <BillBlight> Here we go again with the sillyness ...
2019-02-10 20:57 <osmantis> Bug #6151:04 Taking in-world snapshots fails with "Please enter your email address" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6151 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-10 21:03 <osmantis> Bug #6151:04 Taking in-world snapshots fails with "Please enter your email address" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6151 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-10 21:04 <osmantis> Bug #6151:04 Taking in-world snapshots fails with "Please enter your email address" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6151 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-10 21:07 <osmantis> Bug #6151:04 Taking in-world snapshots fails with "Please enter your email address" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6151 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-10 21:46 <osmantis> Bug #6151:04 Taking in-world snapshots fails with "Please enter your email address" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6151 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-10 21:57 <osmantis> Bug #6151:04 Taking in-world snapshots fails with "Please enter your email address" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6151 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-10 22:03 <osmantis> Bug #6151:04 Taking in-world snapshots fails with "Please enter your email address" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6151 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-11 02:54 <Tampa> Almost as mind numbing as that whole "web" viewer thing
2019-02-11 03:42 <BillBlight> yeah 8476 really could only be done with a highly custom user and permission interface, but the part that gets me, you still have to download the viewer, configure it.  After doing all that you are 3/4 the way there, just make an account already ..
2019-02-11 03:49 <Tampa> Also don't forget the security implications of just letting anyone inworld and access all that data
2019-02-11 03:50 <BillBlight> well yeah that is why I mentioned a permissions interface, would have to have a way to "firewall" off those guests
2019-02-11 04:58 <Plugh> There was a way to configure the grid to allow an account to be created automatically at login. Don't know if that feature still exists or not. It would be up to a grid to decide if they want to allow that and for them to manage the avatars created automatically.
2019-02-11 07:16 <osmantis> Bug #6617:04 Add regex on search for region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6617 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-11 12:57 <osmantis> Bug #8477:04 Attraction to forbidden lines 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8477 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-02-11 12:59 <BillBlight> ^^ Someone translate that one for me? ^^
2019-02-11 12:59 <Ubit> yeah havign trouble on that also
2019-02-11 13:00 <BillBlight> Sounds like the ban lines are doing what they are supposed to do and he does not like it ..
2019-02-11 13:00 <Tampa> I think I know what he is saying, I'm fluid in idiot, can't help it
2019-02-11 13:00 <Tampa> The ban lines don't kick you back region crossing wise so you get stuck
2019-02-11 13:00 <Tampa> Pretty sure that is what he is trying to say
2019-02-11 13:01 <BillBlight> yeah I can see that sandwiched between the border and the ban line, either cross out of the region or TP someplace else
2019-02-11 13:02 <BillBlight> what does he expect it to do find a random place to drop him
2019-02-11 13:02 <Tampa> Permission to be a dick and ask him to speak english?
2019-02-11 13:03 <Tampa> Or heck his native language I'm sure Google would do a better job translating
2019-02-11 13:03 <BillBlight> The issue I have with his requests is they appear to have no basis in how opensimulator actually works, I mean "BasicPhysics" come on .. 
2019-02-11 13:05 <BillBlight> There is a word for this guy, he sounds like a Troll ...  Mooching free land on osGrid, does not run a sim, does not know how regions work, and just wants to tell everyone how they should work ...
2019-02-11 13:08 <osmantis> Bug #8477:04 Attraction to forbidden lines 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8477 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-11 13:08 <Tampa> Tried my hardest to stay polite
2019-02-11 13:10 <Ubit> you kinda made it.. kinda..
2019-02-11 13:11 <BillBlight> Of course he is hitting ban lines, I bet people are banning him left and right, not to mention he is flying around looking for places he can build, from the sound of it ..  (I kind of wanted to reply on the mantis to that fact)
2019-02-11 13:19 <Tampa> For once I actually have physical, real popcorn on hand to sit back and watch this unfold
2019-02-11 13:19 <osmantis> Bug #8477:04 Attraction to forbidden lines 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8477 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-11 13:21 <BillBlight> ummm I have ban lines all over one of my regions and people are not getting sucked into them ...  
2019-02-11 13:22 <BillBlight> 
ACTION goes to make popcorn

2019-02-11 13:23 <BillBlight> 
ACTION goes off to region to make a parcel and put up ban lines, because if it really is a venus flytrap this could be fun

2019-02-11 13:25 <Tampa> I have only ever heard about this happening, never seen or experienced it myself, possibly to do with lag I would guess, but my SO never complained about it and she constantly runs into the banlines on my region
2019-02-11 13:33 <BillBlight> I just createded a parcel with ban lines, logged in an alt and I don't get stuck, 
2019-02-11 13:33 <Tampa> Try having bad network connection /s
2019-02-11 13:33 <BillBlight> Sorry, I'll do a lot of things , but I won't do that ....
2019-02-11 13:34 <Tampa> Also possible this happens only in some viewers
2019-02-11 13:34 <Tampa> Great now I got that song in my head...
2019-02-11 13:34 <BillBlight> HAHA
2019-02-11 13:34 <BillBlight> your morning meatloaf
2019-02-11 13:37 <Tampa> Yeah I cannot reproduce this either
2019-02-11 13:40 <BillBlight> Monamusa just told me the one that did it to her was an 8x region
2019-02-11 13:40 <BillBlight> duh
2019-02-11 13:40 <Ubit> 09 has dif code on that, if i remember
2019-02-11 13:41 <Ubit> well it has
2019-02-11 13:41 <BillBlight> yeah
2019-02-11 13:41 <Tampa> So many grids running on 8 still it hurts
2019-02-11 13:42 <Tampa> Is like "why does this not work" ... checks simulator info... "oh bugger"
2019-02-11 13:42 <BillBlight> so many people attached to osGrid still running 8x I think
2019-02-11 13:44 <Tampa> Metro as well
2019-02-11 13:45 <osmantis> Bug #8477:04 Attraction to forbidden lines 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8477 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-11 13:47 <osmantis> Bug #8477:04 Attraction to forbidden lines 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8477 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-11 13:47 <osmantis> Bug #8477:04 Attraction to forbidden lines 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8477 ): has been REOPENED.
2019-02-11 13:47 <osmantis> Bug #8477:04 Attraction to forbidden lines 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8477 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-11 13:48 <osmantis> Bug #8477:04 Attraction to forbidden lines 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8477 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-11 13:48 <BillBlight> I clicked the wrong button
2019-02-11 13:48 <BillBlight> hehe
2019-02-11 13:48 <BillBlight> did not want to close it right away
2019-02-11 13:48 <Ubit> gezz give sometime to reporters bf closing a new issue report
2019-02-11 13:49 <Ubit> ok
2019-02-11 13:49 <BillBlight> yeah I got click happy, I reopened it, shush ... :P
2019-02-11 13:49 <Ubit> :)
2019-02-11 13:50 <BillBlight> I could not remember which .9x version it got fixed in so I split the difference, and went in the middle ...
2019-02-11 13:54 <BillBlight> just for completness I did check from all directions
2019-02-11 13:55 <osmantis> Bug #6962:04 npc position not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6962 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-11 14:01 <Tampa> Reading all these tickets, I don't think there are that many more to close out, there are some actual issues in there sitting stale since 2009
2019-02-11 14:02 <Tampa> 7316 I can't really reproduce, missing hardware xD
2019-02-11 14:03 <osmantis> Bug #6913:04 llSetRegionPos quietly does nothing if called to move a prim outside the SW region of a megaregion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6913 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-11 14:04 <osmantis> Bug #6962:04 npc position not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6962 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-11 14:04 <osmantis> Bug #6913:04 llSetRegionPos quietly does nothing if called to move a prim outside the SW region of a megaregion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6913 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-11 14:07 <osmantis> Bug #5389:04 state default state_entry() method not driven after llResetScript 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5389 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-11 14:07 <osmantis> Bug #5249:04 getDefaultRegions always returns 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5249 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-11 14:07 <osmantis> Bug #7692:04 Rezzed objects lost from region after server restart ("sim crash") 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7692 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-11 14:08 <osmantis> Bug #7769:04 [LLUDPSERVER]: Packet exceeded buffer size! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7769 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-11 14:09 <osmantis> Bug #7769:04 [LLUDPSERVER]: Packet exceeded buffer size! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7769 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-11 14:09 <osmantis> Bug #7692:04 Rezzed objects lost from region after server restart ("sim crash") 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7692 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-11 14:12 <Tampa> 7895 wut the heck
2019-02-11 14:13 <BillBlight> yep used to get that often
2019-02-11 14:14 <BillBlight> have not seen it for about as long as that mantis is old
2019-02-11 14:14 <BillBlight> or longer
2019-02-11 14:14 <AliciaRaven> yea i got alot of SIGSEGV errors on one server, another with identical setup never had any
2019-02-11 14:14 <BillBlight> Mono 4.3.2.467 <<
2019-02-11 14:15 <BillBlight> mono 4.3x was a nasty devil
2019-02-11 14:15 <Tampa> 7831 I love such reports, all this info makes it so easy to pinpoint the issue and resolve it /s
2019-02-11 14:17 <BillBlight> HAHA and if mono 2.10 is accurate, no wonder
2019-02-11 14:18 <BillBlight> On another note , someone with a lot of patience, and heavyily medicated, needs to educate that Nuk guy on how opensimulator/osGrid works ..  The patience part excludes me immediately ..
2019-02-11 14:26 <Tampa> 8182 just lol xD
2019-02-11 14:26 <BillBlight> I have a feeling that he does not understand that most of the regions on osGrid are home/user hosted regions and thinks they are all on some giant servers somewhere owned by osGrid
2019-02-11 14:27 <Ubit> osgrid has giant servers?
2019-02-11 14:27 <Tampa> savage
2019-02-11 14:27 <Ubit> well possible a little tiny micro corner of one
2019-02-11 14:28 <Ubit> well think is bare metal servers 
2019-02-11 14:29 <BillBlight> yeah, but I think this guy thinks all the regions are "Professionally" run and by osGrid, not sure he understands that people like him are running regions, and that gets messy in a hurry
2019-02-11 14:30 <Tampa> I was about to "show him how it's done", but I have serious concerns inviting that guy over now
2019-02-11 14:30 <BillBlight> But not sure I should insult the average osGrid user by making that comparison ..
2019-02-11 14:31 <BillBlight> I invited him to my region on osGrid, he never showed up
2019-02-11 14:31 <Tampa> Don't worry that lot currently ain't here xD
2019-02-11 14:36 <BillBlight> If the content of a MANTIS does not pass a basic IQ test can we just close it straight away, and pretend it never happened ???  LOL
2019-02-11 14:38 <Tampa> Maybe if breaks more than 10 grammar rules in a single sentence
2019-02-11 14:38 <BillBlight> better make that 20
2019-02-11 14:39 <Tampa> Most places have a minimal effort or diligence rule regarding submissions for bug reports so I suppose if it simply says "OpenSim crashes, help pls" then what can we do
2019-02-11 14:40 <BillBlight> Should not have to pry information out of them
2019-02-11 14:40 <Tampa> Does the wiki not say how to file mantis reports? I coulda sworn it did
2019-02-11 14:43 <BillBlight> pretty sure it does
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2019-02-11 15:56 <osmantis> Bug #8227:04 SYSTEMIP does not work correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8227 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-11 16:07 <osmantis> Bug #7882:04 PhysX 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7882 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-11 16:34 <osmantis> Bug #8403:04 Unknown user "GRID SERVICES" was created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8403 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-11 16:39 <osmantis> Bug #8425:04 No Defaultregion No info 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8425 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-11 16:48 <Ubit> tampa No physx was not designt to use gpu
2019-02-11 16:48 <Ubit> for long it used none
2019-02-11 16:49 <Ubit> even now only some things may use it, like smoke liquid and similar dynamics
2019-02-11 16:49 <Ubit> mb part of the collision pipeline.. not sure
2019-02-11 17:00 <Tampa> It just runs better on gpu even today, then again in its original form it does not really exist anymore
2019-02-11 17:00 <Tampa> Complicated
2019-02-11 17:00 <Tampa> Then there is license and things
2019-02-11 17:00 <Ubit> still some parts
2019-02-11 17:01 <Ubit> but some do attach a second gpu only for physx
2019-02-11 17:01 <Ubit> even considering only a few titles do use phyx
2019-02-11 17:01 <Tampa> used to be physx cards even specifically for it
2019-02-11 17:01 <Ubit> mosht the top ones are top, bc use other engines
2019-02-11 17:01 <Ubit> :)
2019-02-11 17:02 <Tampa> physx today is mostly used as lib, not main physics engine anyways
2019-02-11 17:02 <Tampa> Doubt that ticket will ever see an update
2019-02-11 17:02 <Ubit> its installed with nvidia drivers anyways
2019-02-11 17:02 <Ubit> but that is far from our use
2019-02-11 17:03 <Ubit> and on that, issue is still our use of engines, not the engines themselfs
2019-02-11 17:03 <Ubit> possible ubode the one now hitting the engine issues
2019-02-11 17:08 <Tampa> Way I see it one less "open" issue, still got about 1100 of those with almost half without updates for years
2019-02-11 17:08 <Tampa> Some of the stuff I have read sounds badly need for a fix
2019-02-11 17:37 <osmantis> Bug #4533:04 Physical balls do not pile correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4533 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-11 20:12 <osmantis> Bug #8478:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osParticleSystem & osLinkParticleSystem 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8478 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2019-02-11 20:17 <osmantis> Bug #4533:04 Physical balls do not pile correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4533 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-11 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #7882:04 PhysX 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7882 ): has been CLOSED
2019-02-11 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #8403:04 Unknown user "GRID SERVICES" was created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8403 ): has been CLOSED
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2019-02-12 00:21 <BillBlight> so can we resolve and close 4533 as intended behavior?
2019-02-12 05:05 <Tampa> Could slightly randomize the physics to make them fall more accurately, but set a switch in config maybe, that'd get my vote
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2019-02-12 19:26 <osmantis> Bug #8419:04 Inventory fail after delete Source Folder. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8419 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-12 19:54 <osmantis> Bug #4533:04 Physical balls do not pile correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4533 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-12 19:56 <osmantis> Bug #4533:04 Physical balls do not pile correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4533 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-12 20:08 <osmantis> Bug #4533:04 Physical balls do not pile correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4533 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-12 20:30 <osmantis> Bug #4533:04 Physical balls do not pile correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4533 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-12 20:31 <osmantis> Bug #4533:04 Physical balls do not pile correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4533 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-12 20:32 <Ubit> legacy ode is special physics :p
2019-02-12 21:06 <osmantis> Bug #4533:04 Physical balls do not pile correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4533 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-12 21:15 <osmantis> Bug #4533:04 Physical balls do not pile correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4533 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-02-12 21:26 <osmantis> Bug #4533:04 Physical balls do not pile correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4533 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-12 21:42 <osmantis> Bug #4533:04 Physical balls do not pile correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4533 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-02-12 21:57 <osmantis> Bug #4533:04 Physical balls do not pile correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4533 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-12 21:58 <osmantis> Bug #4533:04 Physical balls do not pile correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4533 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-12 22:07 <osmantis> Bug #4533:04 Physical balls do not pile correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4533 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-12 22:12 <Tampa> All this hate toward a bit of entropy :)
2019-02-12 22:14 <BillBlight> First off I just tried to replicate this, and unless I set the bounce to zero, can't make them stack
2019-02-12 22:14 <AliciaRaven> entropy is the only certainty in the universe
2019-02-12 22:15 <BillBlight> Second it is not hate agains entropy it is annoyance that people are too lazy to learn to apply some random params to a rezzed object, so those that one precise physcis can have them too, it is the best of both worlds ..
2019-02-12 22:17 <Tampa> Again, my freefall tower hits its tower if I don't correct the position so there is some entropy in physics already
2019-02-12 22:17 <Tampa> https://i.imgur.com/2bYPklT.png master, ubode
2019-02-12 22:18 <BillBlight> very strange because I can't make it do that
2019-02-12 22:18 <BillBlight> without setting the bounce to nothing
2019-02-12 22:19 <BillBlight> how are you rezzing the balls
2019-02-12 22:19 <Tampa> Shift drag
2019-02-12 22:24 <Tampa> Some entropy has to be in there, otherwise I would not need to correct position for my freefall tower before falling down again, saying maybe just add to that
2019-02-12 22:24 <Tampa> A random physics more and an accurate mode, can't hurt to add some features to play with
2019-02-12 22:25 <BillBlight> I can make the stacking happen if I am very careful on a shift drag, but not on a llRezObject, even if the parameters are Identical
2019-02-12 22:26 <Tampa> They stick, its like they are caught between two walls
2019-02-12 22:37 <Ubit> colisions will had a lot of bad randomness
2019-02-12 22:37 <Ubit> also math errors due to limited precision  will kick in
2019-02-12 22:38 <Ubit> actually all bad randomness bc can be all on same direction, no mean value etc
2019-02-12 22:39 <Ubit> rotation math will get crazier sooner ( more calculations ) etc
2019-02-12 22:45 <Ubit> if you make a little hole on the platforms ( so they bc mesh) things may became ugly :)
2019-02-12 22:46 <Ubit> or this that already the inner part of a cut prim ?
2019-02-12 22:46 <BillBlight> Oddly enough my one with the bounce was not piling , now it is, very odd, it is like something got more precise the more I rezzed
2019-02-12 22:46 <BillBlight> adding a random .05/-.05 x/y velocity to the rezzer gets a random pile (sometimes you don't need it though, not sure why occasionally only the bounce will make it go a bit sideways
2019-02-12 22:48 <Tampa> I ran into them sideways, they exploded and landed in single file on the floor
2019-02-12 22:48 <Ubit> remember effects if finite time step also, some collisions are shallower others deeper just bc that
2019-02-12 22:48 <Ubit> etc
2019-02-12 22:48 <Tampa> If I did not know better I would suspect the whole intend is just to murder people who leave damage on
2019-02-12 22:49 <Ubit> and guys, game physics is make believe physics, hopefully a bit better than some movies physics but just that
2019-02-12 22:49 <Ubit> ( at least one movie did used bullet actually )
2019-02-12 22:49 <Tampa> OpenSim Michael Bay edition
2019-02-12 22:50 <Tampa> Be a great april fools just adding explosions to everything huh
2019-02-12 22:50 <BillBlight> that would be if we could set the bounce higher than 1 to like 99
2019-02-12 22:50 <Ubit> i sure you do not want opensim to make 100 spheres doing nice more correct iterations
2019-02-12 22:51 <Ubit> taking mb 30mins per simulation step of 0.1ms each
2019-02-12 22:51 <Ubit> on a i7.. a bit more on your toys :p
2019-02-12 22:52 <Ubit> well code could be changed to mk use of a platinium xeon 28 cores
2019-02-12 22:53 <Ubit> ( with meltdown and spectre patchs removed )
2019-02-12 22:53 <Ubit> gezz intel telling that a 20% loss of performance on same cases is not important
2019-02-12 22:54 <Tampa> apples and oranges
2019-02-12 22:55 <Ubit> yeap
2019-02-12 22:55 <Ubit> apples vs apples and oranges vs oranges :p
2019-02-12 22:57 <Ubit> but don't waste 2 much time on spheres piling etc..
2019-02-12 22:57 <Ubit> that is just still bad
2019-02-12 22:58 <Ubit> this engines goals it to mk cars colide +- ok
2019-02-12 22:58 <Ubit> not a large number of free spheres
2019-02-12 22:59 <AliciaRaven> the engine does do a bounding sphere test first before an accurate physics test right?
2019-02-12 22:59 <Ubit> and viewer interpolators mk it a total mess
2019-02-12 23:00 <Ubit> no.. all most use AABB now
2019-02-12 23:00 <Ubit> at least bullet phyx and ode
2019-02-12 23:00 <Ubit> guess havoc also
2019-02-12 23:00 <Tampa> if keyframemotion would work better we would not need physics /s
2019-02-12 23:01 <BillBlight> Keyframemotion does not handle collsions, so you would have to fake those
2019-02-12 23:01 <Ubit> allm most?? almost :)
2019-02-12 23:02 <Ubit> bte i had plans to move keyframe into physicsn engine at some point
2019-02-12 23:02 <Ubit> well not nice with type none objects
2019-02-12 23:02 <BillBlight> hmm  PFM?  PhysicsFrameMotion ...
2019-02-12 23:02 <BillBlight> :P
2019-02-12 23:03 <Ubit> but one day physics will need also visual part of meshs
2019-02-12 23:03 <Ubit> for raycast that do match visual
2019-02-12 23:03 <Ubit> builds should do that.. but well
2019-02-12 23:03 <Ubit> dunno
2019-02-12 23:04 <Ubit> builders..
2019-02-12 23:04 <AliciaRaven> if bounding sphere/box collision fails, further more accurate tests should be skipped
2019-02-12 23:05 <Ubit> do you think we would had any usable engines without that alicia ? :)
2019-02-12 23:05 <Ubit> well that and a few more things..
2019-02-12 23:05 <AliciaRaven> true
2019-02-12 23:06 <Ubit> some engines did use spheres 
2019-02-12 23:06 <Ubit> but replaced bu aabbs 
2019-02-12 23:06 <Ubit> end up faster and doing a bit better volume coverage
2019-02-12 23:07 <AliciaRaven> bounding spheres are faster than boxes, but what is aabbs, i googled it and i get "American Association of Blood Banks"
2019-02-12 23:07 <AliciaRaven> lol
2019-02-12 23:07 <Ubit> well a total disaster on same cases..  but better that spheres on over all
2019-02-12 23:07 <Ubit> axis aligned bounding boxes :)
2019-02-12 23:07 <BillBlight> Axis Aligned Bounding Box
2019-02-12 23:07 <BillBlight> oh
2019-02-12 23:08 <BillBlight> Ubit got it
2019-02-12 23:08 <AliciaRaven> ah, i use those also, not spheres
2019-02-12 23:08 <Ubit> i as said most use it now
2019-02-12 23:09 <Ubit> also fast overlap checks
2019-02-12 23:09 <AliciaRaven> i use AABB but i thought a bounding shpere was faster because it doesnt need updating when a model is rotated
2019-02-12 23:09 <Ubit> easy to get the overlap aabb etc
2019-02-12 23:10 <Ubit> yeah but can be a lot more volume that aabb
2019-02-12 23:10 <Ubit> so more false collisions
2019-02-12 23:10 <Ubit> and other issues
2019-02-12 23:10 <Ubit> and some just rotate the aabb
2019-02-12 23:10 <Ubit> well all i guess
2019-02-12 23:11 <AliciaRaven> nice, i was thinking about changing to sphere, but now i will keep AABB lol
2019-02-12 23:11 <Ubit> :)
2019-02-12 23:11 <Ubit> aabb in form of center + extends is easier to update 
2019-02-12 23:11 <Ubit> from
2019-02-12 23:12 <Ubit> but well some still use min max as main representation
2019-02-12 23:13 <AliciaRaven> when i load a model, i create a BB in model space, then use that to generate a yellow bounding box around the model, but when its moved, rotated in world, i update it as a AABB to use for click detection and future collision detection with the avatar
2019-02-12 23:14 <AliciaRaven> i was thinking i should change that to a bounding sphere for efficiency
2019-02-13 00:00 <Ubit> funny reducing opensim to a single core improves physics timing a lot
2019-02-13 00:00 <Ubit> with ubode
2019-02-13 00:06 <AliciaRaven> makes sense tho
2019-02-13 00:06 <Ubit> not really
2019-02-13 00:07 <AliciaRaven> yep, physics depends on acurate frame time elapsed, when u pass it to another thread, its gonna be delayed by processing time, then return data to main thread and its out
2019-02-13 00:08 <Ubit> time measure cames from a fixe clock now
2019-02-13 00:09 <AliciaRaven> mm then thats strange
2019-02-13 00:09 <Ubit> stopwatch has now a proper clock
2019-02-13 00:09 <Ubit> not the cpu one
2019-02-13 00:10 <Ubit> no sense tons of threads still active
2019-02-13 00:10 <Ubit> and physics time is less with a single core
2019-02-13 00:10 <Ubit> and cpu clock did not change that much
2019-02-13 00:11 <Ubit> 4.4 4.5 g
2019-02-13 00:12 <AliciaRaven> how much work is being done on the support thread after its taken a time reading?
2019-02-13 00:13 <Ubit> 1.5x more time doing the same thing allwoing more than on core for opensim
2019-02-13 00:13 <AliciaRaven> or does it read time imediatley when ever it needs
2019-02-13 00:13 <Ubit> its normal opensim mess :p
2019-02-13 00:13 <Ubit> physics on heartbeat threads
2019-02-13 00:14 <Ubit> llupd send on its thread
2019-02-13 00:14 <Ubit> at least those 2 active
2019-02-13 00:14 <AliciaRaven> ah
2019-02-13 00:15 <Ubit> im only looking to physics time
2019-02-13 00:15 <AliciaRaven> is it taking longer to do physics frame that the time between heartbeats?
2019-02-13 00:15 <Ubit> physics only locks itself..
2019-02-13 00:15 <Ubit> so should not be locking issues
2019-02-13 00:17 <AliciaRaven> sounds fruity, im out of ideas right now
2019-02-13 00:17 <AliciaRaven> must be a delay some where
2019-02-13 00:17 <Ubit> what are the ht fakes on win 10? the odd numbered or even? i don't remember
2019-02-13 00:18 <AliciaRaven> dunno
2019-02-13 00:18 <Ubit> odd ones
2019-02-13 00:18 <Ubit> degradation selecting a odd one
2019-02-13 00:18 <Ubit> ( cpu 1 )
2019-02-13 00:20 <Ubit> yeap cpu 0 only is faster
2019-02-13 00:21 <Ubit> hmm cpu 10 a bit more stable
2019-02-13 00:22 <Ubit> giving 8 and 10, degradation
2019-02-13 00:23 <Ubit> 8 9 10 and 11, as bad as all
2019-02-13 00:24 <AliciaRaven> thats weird
2019-02-13 00:25 <Ubit> something very wrong
2019-02-13 00:25 <Ubit> on win10 cores management or .net multithreading or our own
2019-02-13 00:26 <AliciaRaven> sure its only win10?
2019-02-13 00:26 <Ubit> well don't remember how to mess with that on linux :)
2019-02-13 00:27 <AliciaRaven> lol
2019-02-13 00:27 <Ubit> my linux cpu is locked on fixed clock should be better to compare
2019-02-13 00:27 <Ubit> without the turbo boost mess on win
2019-02-13 00:28 <Ubit> err well i thing the i have the 3770 locked at 3.7G on all cores,  don't remember :)
2019-02-13 00:28 <Ubit> possible not now on lnux
2019-02-13 00:29 <Ubit> well dunno
2019-02-13 00:30 <Ubit> just having several threads active i would expect a few cores to be better than just one
2019-02-13 00:30 <Ubit> and no 1.5x degradation with just 2 no ht cores
2019-02-13 00:30 <AliciaRaven> yea, should be
2019-02-13 00:31 <Ubit> well my box is only running viewer and regions so ht or no ht not major impact
2019-02-13 00:32 <Ubit> and odd
2019-02-13 00:33 <Ubit> sometimes i run for sometime with all cores giving some as this single core test results
2019-02-13 00:36 <Ubit> ahh and script threads also
2019-02-13 00:36 <Ubit> 2 of then on Y
2019-02-13 00:36 <Ubit> hmm that may lock physics
2019-02-13 00:37 <Ubit> on collsion reports
2019-02-13 00:37 <Ubit> but damm little operations in this case
2019-02-13 00:37 <Ubit> actually no lock should happen even
2019-02-13 00:38 <AliciaRaven> can u remove scripts from region?
2019-02-13 00:38 <Ubit> my test is drive a car on flat terrain :p
2019-02-13 00:38 <AliciaRaven> ah
2019-02-13 00:39 <AliciaRaven> suppose its hard to trigger physics with no script also
2019-02-13 00:40 <Ubit> well i always said than the absurd number of threads we have only slow all down
2019-02-13 00:40 <AliciaRaven> yes
2019-02-13 00:40 <AliciaRaven> to much time switching
2019-02-13 00:40 <Ubit> but i did expect giving them more cores to be better not this result
2019-02-13 00:40 <Ubit> mb bill can test on linux
2019-02-13 00:41 <Ubit> well assuming one can control the number of cores a app can use on linux
2019-02-13 00:41 <Ubit> many games even viewers ask to allow only one core
2019-02-13 00:42 <Ubit> but those are really single core apps
2019-02-13 00:42 <AliciaRaven> throw a trout his way lol
2019-02-13 00:42 <AliciaRaven> gets attention every time, cant beat throwing a wet fish :P
2019-02-13 00:42 <Ubit> but those do run a lot better telling os to only use a particular core on them
2019-02-13 00:43 <Ubit> possible on a light load they get it all the time
2019-02-13 00:43 <AliciaRaven> multi tread, the key is only use a few, when u have to, try to keep single thread when posible
2019-02-13 00:43 <AliciaRaven> more threads, like os, time is lost switching between them
2019-02-13 00:44 <Ubit> yeap specially on heavy code areas
2019-02-13 00:44 <Ubit> but more cores should relax that
2019-02-13 00:44 <AliciaRaven> true
2019-02-13 00:45 <Ubit> now we can tell .net to split a for by several cores even
2019-02-13 00:45 <Ubit> and that is suposed to be better...
2019-02-13 00:45 <Ubit> well is it ?
2019-02-13 00:46 <Ubit> actually the fix for meltdown and spectre did mess that up
2019-02-13 00:46 <AliciaRaven> split a for?
2019-02-13 00:46 <Ubit> the compiler tries to break the for in parts and each on own core
2019-02-13 00:46 <AliciaRaven> well the async code in .net is just a state engine and still single thread, i think, is that right?
2019-02-13 00:46 <Ubit> c# has that, c++ as it etc
2019-02-13 00:47 <Ubit> yeap we are not using that
2019-02-13 00:47 <AliciaRaven> ah i see, i dont know about that on that low level
2019-02-13 00:47 <Ubit> well that is on -net since .net4.0 :)
2019-02-13 00:47 <AliciaRaven> cool
2019-02-13 00:48 <AliciaRaven> thats a good idea, if it works lol
2019-02-13 00:48 <Ubit> but see no point on already heavy multi thread opensim
2019-02-13 00:48 <Ubit> and with ppl running tons of instances on same box
2019-02-13 00:48 <Ubit> what cores to use ?? :)
2019-02-13 00:48 <AliciaRaven> yea OS uses too many threads, always has
2019-02-13 00:49 <Ubit> but this degradation give more than one core..
2019-02-13 00:49 <Ubit> no idea what is going on
2019-02-13 00:50 <Ubit> well im not that happy with this stupid i7 8700k
2019-02-13 00:50 <Ubit> the 3770k as a lot more predictable
2019-02-13 00:50 <Ubit> and even faster on some ops
2019-02-13 00:50 <Ubit> ( and at only 3.7H not the 4.3G )
2019-02-13 00:51 <Ubit> oops now i remember, i did not patched it for meltdown/spectre at bios level :)
2019-02-13 00:51 <Ubit> the 3770 i mean
2019-02-13 00:51 <AliciaRaven> eh dunno, i have AMD Ryzen 7, 2700X 8Core 3.7 GHz
2019-02-13 00:52 <Ubit> those where also patched
2019-02-13 00:52 <Ubit> for spectre more than meltdown i think
2019-02-13 00:53 <Ubit> amd is more immune to meltdown  ( or the other ) than intel
2019-02-13 00:53 <AliciaRaven> spectre is a bond movie?
2019-02-13 00:53 <Ubit> guess it is also :)
2019-02-13 00:54 <AliciaRaven> lol
2019-02-13 00:54 <Ubit> damm stupid exploits of cpu bugs
2019-02-13 00:54 <Ubit> ages old and even on arm
2019-02-13 00:55 <Ubit> bc they all used same theories about cpu branch predition, caching etc
2019-02-13 00:55 <Ubit> but worse on intel
2019-02-13 01:02 <Ubit> sanme with xengine
2019-02-13 01:05 <AliciaRaven> well im gonna go get some sleep, see u later :)
2019-02-13 01:05 <Ubit> cya
2019-02-13 01:06 <Ubit> same with bullet
2019-02-13 01:10 <Ubit> well more cores means a more cache misses on he private caches
2019-02-13 02:23 <Ubit> so odd, just setting affinity to one core, overall opensim load went to 4%
2019-02-13 02:23 <Ubit> from basicly 0
2019-02-13 06:05 <osmantis> Bug #6559:04 [EMAIL] DefaultEmailModule Exception Unrecognized authentication type 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6559 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-02-13 14:17 <osmantis> Bug #6559:04 [EMAIL] DefaultEmailModule Exception Unrecognized authentication type 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6559 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-13 14:51 <osmantis> Bug #8480:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osDrawImage Improvement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8480 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2019-02-13 15:24 <osmantis> Bug #8480:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osDrawImage Improvement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8480 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-13 18:16 <osmantis> Bug #6559:04 [EMAIL] DefaultEmailModule Exception Unrecognized authentication type 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6559 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-13 19:11 <osmantis> Bug #8479:04 UseTrashOnDelete has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8479 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-13 19:21 <Plugh> Ubit: Where did you get the new(?) DLL for DotNetOpenMail that you updated to back in November?
2019-02-13 19:21 <Plugh> I don't see that there has been any code change since 2006.
2019-02-13 19:23 <Tampa> https://bitbucket.org/opensimulator/opensim-libs/commits/a32acbdd23c6e6e058735f4f01b5686a8db4e6f4
2019-02-13 19:24 <osmantis> Bug #6559:04 [EMAIL] DefaultEmailModule Exception Unrecognized authentication type 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6559 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-13 19:26 <Plugh> ok. That is the old code from 2006.
2019-02-13 19:30 <BillBlight> this looks intereresting https://github.com/jstedfast/MailKit
2019-02-13 19:33 <Plugh> That is the suggested replacement for System.Net.Mail. I've downloaded it and compiled it. I have read the docs for it yet.
2019-02-13 19:34 <Plugh> um...
2019-02-13 19:34 <Plugh> I have not read the docs.
2019-02-13 20:04 <Ubit> well ms recomending a employer private project, its nice
2019-02-13 20:05 <Ubit> but thats over kill, and may kill again ssl validation rules
2019-02-13 20:05 <Ubit> ( mailkit i mean )
2019-02-13 20:06 <Ubit> err plugh, dont remember where i did got it, but should be on opensim-libs
2019-02-13 20:06 <Ubit> ( i may had just compiled old one under .net4.6 )
2019-02-13 20:07 <Plugh> RIght. Tampa pointed to os libs. It is the version from 2006
2019-02-13 20:20 <osmantis> Bug #8479:04 UseTrashOnDelete has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8479 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
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2019-02-14 00:55 <Plugh> Bah. MailKit has its documents in a MS only(?) format that has a .aml extension. They look like XML files. No idea how to turn them in to something more human readable.
2019-02-14 01:05 <BillBlight> here too http://www.mimekit.net/docs/html/Introduction.htm
2019-02-14 01:22 <Plugh> Oh, sure. Put the docs in readable format under a MimeKit URL instead of MailKit. :P
2019-02-14 01:22 <Plugh> It appears to be structured similarly to the .Net mail classes.
2019-02-14 09:11 <osmantis> Bug #8481:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetLandDwell and PARCEL_DETAILS_LANDDWELL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8481 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2019-02-14 11:37 <djphil> osDetectedCountry( 0 ) seems to have no effect ... It works for you ?
2019-02-14 11:38 <djphil> (tested on touch_start and sensor)
2019-02-14 11:39 <djphil> There is no doc for this function yet ... :p
2019-02-14 11:49 <Tampa> Its... not implemented
2019-02-14 11:49 <djphil> :o it compile inworld
2019-02-14 11:50 <Tampa> But the function cannot return anything as there is no data
2019-02-14 11:50 <Tampa> If I read this correctly user country is set in db
2019-02-14 11:50 <Tampa> Only if the information is supplied however, which it is not and the migrations do not list a field to be created for them either
2019-02-14 11:51 <Tampa> UserAccounts.country does not exist in any form
2019-02-14 11:51 <Tampa> It seems this function was started, but never finished
2019-02-14 11:51 <djphil> lol
2019-02-14 11:51 <djphil> but ok, good to know :)
2019-02-14 11:54 <djphil> i just looking arround and to think that it would be good also without detect ... I mean simply osGetCountry( ) osGetCountry(key UserId )
2019-02-14 11:56 <Tampa> That exists
2019-02-14 11:56 <Tampa> osGetAgentCountry
2019-02-14 11:57 <Tampa> I don't know how to search commits otherwise I'd look there for when these changes were made
2019-02-14 11:58 <djphil> Ho yes, you're right :) I did not look well
2019-02-14 12:00 <djphil> Hmmm same for osGetAgentCountry, have no effect ...
2019-02-14 12:00 <djphil> (empty data)
2019-02-14 12:00 <Tampa> Duh, its the same code
2019-02-14 12:00 <djphil> Hehe :)
2019-02-14 12:02 <djphil> I also looked at the "String Function" because there is no example for them ...
2019-02-14 12:03 <djphil> but not on how all must work lol :p
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2019-02-15 01:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #6194 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-15 01:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6194: SUCCESS in 6 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6194/
2019-02-15 01:18 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8479: deep change DeRezObjects(..) doing independent permitions checks per action. m_useTrashOnDelete should now work except if god deletes, but still not recomended
2019-02-15 01:18 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: don't break permitions on god object return or delete
2019-02-15 01:21 <Ubit> yes its permissions i know :p
2019-02-15 01:22 <paela> lol
2019-02-15 01:22 <AliciaRaven2> controversial area, watch out lol
2019-02-15 01:23 <Ubit> typical :)
2019-02-15 01:23 <BillBlight> Yeah don't fix anything that people are used to using broken, they tend to loose their minds ...  :P
2019-02-15 01:24 <Ubit> well assuming i did fix :)
2019-02-15 01:24 <BillBlight> Fix or Break sometimes it is one in the same ..
2019-02-15 01:24 <Ubit> but several things on that code path i still don't like
2019-02-15 01:25 <BillBlight> It is really hard to find anything in the code you do like, so that is not surprising .. :P :P
2019-02-15 01:25 <Ubit> :p
2019-02-15 01:25 <Ubit> yeah and that includes my own code more than a week old :)
2019-02-15 01:33 <Ubit> well better that use that option it to tell ppl to set objects temp
2019-02-15 01:33 <Ubit> same result, just takes a bit longer :)
2019-02-15 01:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #6195 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-15 01:39 <Plugh> The comments on the bug report are getting off-topic.
2019-02-15 01:40 <Ubit> ?
2019-02-15 01:40 <Plugh> manti 6559 re: DefaultEmailModule.
2019-02-15 01:40 <BillBlight> Not really, discussing how secure the function is , if it works, is still a valid concern
2019-02-15 01:41 <BillBlight> bascially turning your region into an open relay mail server
2019-02-15 01:41 <Plugh> The bug report was about supporting authentication with mail servers not about the safety of having the function.
2019-02-15 01:41 <BillBlight> whatever ......
2019-02-15 01:42 <Plugh> We usually tell people one bug, one mantis. :)
2019-02-15 01:42 <Plugh> If you restrict its use you will break a lot of vendors.
2019-02-15 01:42 <paela> to be properly supported / ssl / tls you also need security! you live in what world to say the opposite?
2019-02-15 01:43 <Plugh> There are two different issues here.
2019-02-15 01:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6195: SUCCESS in 5 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6195/
2019-02-15 01:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor cleanup
2019-02-15 01:46 <BillBlight> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8482
2019-02-15 01:46 <BillBlight> now we have one more ticket on the mantis
2019-02-15 02:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #6196 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-15 02:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6196: SUCCESS in 5 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6196/
2019-02-15 02:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: (almost) useless change
2019-02-15 02:17 <JeffKelley> mantis 8479 tested and not giving expected results. Note added.
2019-02-15 02:18 <Ubit> hmm
2019-02-15 02:18 <Ubit> not from viewer ??
2019-02-15 02:19 <AliciaRaven2> where is mantis bot?
2019-02-15 02:19 <JeffKelley> yep, i see them, can click on it but they are no longer in the region
2019-02-15 02:19 <Ubit> good question
2019-02-15 02:22 <AliciaRaven2> mantis bot on a coffee break lol
2019-02-15 02:23 <Plugh> I added a comment to the report. You both have forgotten about a feature I added some time ago that allows restricting the destination of outgoing email.
2019-02-15 02:24 <Ubit> ooops
2019-02-15 02:26 <Plugh> You are right to be concerned about possible misuse but that was discussed and addressed some time ago. Longer ago than I realized. git blame says I made the change on  2014-08-08 16:44:22 -0400
2019-02-15 02:26 <Plugh> Wow. Was it that long ago that I did that?
2019-02-15 02:27 <BillBlight> yes but creating a new function allows more finite control than just the owner, for such as managers 
2019-02-15 02:28 <Plugh> A new function could also avoid the built-in 4 second delay of llEmail. The other point is that llEmail is supposed to be rate limited. I don't think that it is in the current implemenation.
2019-02-15 02:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #6197 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-15 02:28 <BillBlight> new function does not HAVE to NOT include a delay
2019-02-15 02:29 <Plugh> I'm not saying it whether it should or should not have a delay. Just that it is an option for a new function. Could even be a configurable option if we wanted to do that.
2019-02-15 02:29 <Ubit> 4s? isn't it 20s ?
2019-02-15 02:30 <BillBlight> yeah I think it is 20s
2019-02-15 02:30 <Plugh> um... Possibly. I don't remember.
2019-02-15 02:30 <Plugh> I know it has one of the longer delay times.
2019-02-15 02:30 <Ubit> Jeff that last commit should fix the delete issue
2019-02-15 02:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6197: SUCCESS in 5 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6197/
2019-02-15 02:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops do show the object delete
2019-02-15 02:36 <JeffKelley> 8479 seems ok in last commit. Note added. Thanks.
2019-02-15 02:36 <Ubit> :)
2019-02-15 02:37 <Ubit> as i said here bf, i have that option true and just set objects to temporary :)
2019-02-15 02:39 <JeffKelley> yes, setting to temp is also a good way to avoid assets inflation
2019-02-15 02:39 <Ubit> even do that at sl
2019-02-15 02:40 <JeffKelley> delete a large scene in hg and bam ! you send all to your home grid
2019-02-15 02:41 <Ubit> yeap
2019-02-15 02:41 <Ubit> well hg needs a lot work
2019-02-15 02:42 <JeffKelley> what kind ?
2019-02-15 02:42 <Ubit> all kind? :)
2019-02-15 02:42 <JeffKelley> intergrid IM for example?
2019-02-15 02:42 <Ubit> on that, delete should send nothing home
2019-02-15 02:42 <Ubit> i guess
2019-02-15 02:43 <paela> And the online status of Users hg too ^^
2019-02-15 02:44 <Ubit> if you do a second hg tp, forget
2019-02-15 02:45 <Ubit> well doing this tests i do see my test av online notifications at osgrid
2019-02-15 02:45 <Ubit> but none did tp elsewhere 
2019-02-15 02:47 <paela> just the presence in db of hg are very odd ( ugly hack )
2019-02-15 02:47 <Ubit> hg is a hack :p
2019-02-15 02:49 <paela> ( griduser sorry )
2019-02-15 02:49 <AliciaRaven2> only viewer side is a hack, servers should have a better way to keep in contact and relay data
2019-02-15 02:49 <paela> true
2019-02-15 02:54 <JeffKelley> who is managing the wiki ?
2019-02-15 02:55 <Ubit> a few ppl
2019-02-15 02:55 <Ubit> like --> plugh
2019-02-15 02:55 <Ubit> :)
2019-02-15 02:56 <Plugh> I have been known to make some changes to the wiki. :)
2019-02-15 02:59 <JeffKelley> i've made external links to a set of icons on my webserver and i'd like to get rid of this dependency, there are to many to upload them one by one
2019-02-15 03:03 <Plugh> ?
2019-02-15 03:04 <JeffKelley> if my server goes away, the wiki will loose these icons
2019-02-15 03:05 <Plugh> Where have you made links to your icons?
2019-02-15 03:05 <JeffKelley> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Inventoryfolders and http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Inventoryitems
2019-02-15 03:06 <Ubit> not sure those are up to date
2019-02-15 03:07 <JeffKelley> i don't plan to shut off my server but an accident may arrive
2019-02-15 03:10 <Ubit> sleep time :)
2019-02-15 03:21 <Plugh> I don't know how to make those images local to the server. 
2019-02-15 03:30 <BillBlight> under the contributions menu, you can upload images to the server ..
2019-02-15 03:30 <BillBlight> if you have rights I think
2019-02-15 03:31 <BillBlight> but there is supposed to be an upload file menu item for those that have the rights, in the menu, but I don't see it anywhere
2019-02-15 03:39 <Plugh> I'll have a look around. I found the admin page but no upload link.
2019-02-15 11:21 <osmantis> Bug #8482:04 Remove llEmail and replace with os function that can be secured. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8482 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-02-15 11:35 <osmantis> Bug #8482:04 Remove llEmail and replace with os function that can be secured. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8482 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-15 13:08 <osmantis> Bug #8482:04 Remove llEmail and replace with os function that can be secured. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8482 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-15 13:12 <osmantis> Bug #8483:04 llGetEnvironment not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8483 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2019-02-15 13:19 <osmantis> Bug #8482:04 Remove llEmail and replace with os function that can be secured. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8482 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-15 14:15 <osmantis> Bug #8483:04 llGetEnvironment not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8483 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-15 14:21 <osmantis> Bug #8483:04 llGetEnvironment not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8483 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-02-15 14:22 <djphil> @tampa: https://pastebin.com/4Qa6aEE3
2019-02-15 14:23 <djphil> just no compile and no highlighted ...
2019-02-15 14:23 <djphil> (same for all constants used by this function)
2019-02-15 14:25 <djphil> and no referenced here :p http://opensimulator.org/wiki/LSL_Status/Functions
2019-02-15 14:28 <Tampa> I can't test at the moment, trying to nurse a headache
2019-02-15 14:28 <djphil> i think the list legend is uncomplete ...
2019-02-15 14:28 <djphil> Ready for Testing     Partially Implemented     Fully Implemented     Tested/Fail     Deprecated     Not supported
2019-02-15 14:28 <djphil> The 'Not Implemented" is missing in the legend ... :p
2019-02-15 14:29 <djphil> Not supported != Not implemented ...
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2019-02-15 15:25 <BillBlight> according to the history of the llGetEnvironment page it was added in November 2018 , so it is relativly new, have some patience ..
2019-02-15 15:25 <Ubit> possible related to the new enviroment they are adding
2019-02-15 15:25 <BillBlight> yep
2019-02-15 15:25 <djphil> i have add it to the opensimwiki  lsl status page :)
2019-02-15 15:26 <Ubit> no more windlight it seems
2019-02-15 15:26 <BillBlight> right djphil this is not for use with windlight, and we don't have their new environment thing, but , whatever
2019-02-15 15:40 <BillBlight> As far as the llemail function goes, a while back it was getting abused a LOT, because it worked , it has not worked as easily for a while, once it gets fixed again where everyone and their brother has it enabled, it will get abused again ... But whatever, not going to try and protect people from themselves anymore ..
2019-02-15 15:43 <djphil> I think there are already some settings in opensim.ini to limit massive email when using llMail ...
2019-02-15 15:44 <BillBlight> There is a setting, but people can't get settings right for other things what makes you think they'll care about  that one
2019-02-15 15:45 <djphil> Well don't use opensim then :p
2019-02-15 15:46 <BillBlight> for starters the restrice email function is not in the email module settings it is in the LL-Functions settings, which makes it confusing to begin with
2019-02-15 15:47 <djphil> I think that we inform the users correctly so it will also be better to configure their simulator
2019-02-15 15:47 <BillBlight> LOL, when has that ever worked
2019-02-15 15:49 <djphil> llMail is LSL so that's normal if it's in LL-Functions
2019-02-15 15:49 <djphil> isn't confusing ... :o why you say that
2019-02-15 15:49 <BillBlight> you just don't get it .. Linden Labs being a walled garden has complete control of their mail servers and everything going in and out, 
2019-02-15 15:50 <BillBlight> the average users doesn't
2019-02-15 15:50 <BillBlight> whatever have fun, I'll just be sure to come mail bomb your regions .. :P
2019-02-15 15:53 <djphil> The user has the choice ... he can activate or not activate.
2019-02-15 15:53 <djphil> If he chooses to activate then he is responsible
2019-02-15 15:53 <djphil> In this case it is better for him to know what he did exactly when he activated something and for that he must have a good doc.
2019-02-15 16:18 <Tampa> Who uses OpenSim for spam when you can ntp nuke things so much easier, then again who even needs that "the average user" gets their wordpress site hacked from not keeping things up to date on a regular basis all on their own xD
2019-02-15 16:18 <osmantis> Bug #8482:04 Remove llEmail and replace with os function that can be secured. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8482 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-02-15 16:29 <osmantis> Bug #8482:04 Remove llEmail and replace with os function that can be secured. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8482 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-15 16:29 <Tampa> BillBlight where exactly is that animesh, I appear to be blind?
2019-02-15 16:31 <BillBlight> There is one to the right of the entrance and one on the bar back, and yes I know you are blind, but only FS beta 6 can see them
2019-02-15 16:32 <Tampa> Oh the little guy there, I guess it is supposed to dance or something, hm he seems unwilling to
2019-02-15 16:33 <BillBlight> https://i.gyazo.com/79e4fa574cb74d79db3f1cfb3c284999.gif
2019-02-15 16:33 <BillBlight> dancing fine to me
2019-02-15 16:36 <paela>  llStartObjectAnimation well no  llStopObjectAnimation :P
2019-02-15 16:37 <BillBlight> both of those work fine .... I think it is Tampa that is broken
2019-02-15 16:38 <Ubit> you need new glasses  also paela :p
2019-02-15 16:38 <paela> The must strange is the meshAnimed is showed in a box if you edit it, like a ugly hack of LL 12 years before with other think :D
2019-02-15 16:38 <Ubit> it is a hack
2019-02-15 16:39 <BillBlight> The box does not need to be there though, just makes it easier to grab the little bugger that is moving around
2019-02-15 16:39 <Ubit> the basicly took the avatar animation engine,  attach it to a object
2019-02-15 16:39 <Ubit> they.. 
2019-02-15 16:39 <paela> =)
2019-02-15 16:40 <paela> Ubit have woke yayy :p
2019-02-15 16:40 <Ubit> so the thing must be a avatar mesh
2019-02-15 16:40 <BillBlight> i.e. Rigged mesh
2019-02-15 16:40 <BillBlight> with bones
2019-02-15 16:40 <BillBlight> joints
2019-02-15 16:40 <Ubit> yeap 
2019-02-15 16:40 <BillBlight> and all that jazz
2019-02-15 16:41 <paela> i already see people on gpu chipset cpu he lag even more: D
2019-02-15 16:41 <Ubit> even a fs dev we all lobe said the same :)
2019-02-15 16:42 <Ubit> well she lobes us
2019-02-15 16:42 <Ubit> i don't care :)
2019-02-15 16:42 <Ubit> but yeah guess a bit more load on gpu
2019-02-15 16:42 <Ubit> and some confusion if it is a attachment
2019-02-15 16:48 <djphil> Work just fine :)
2019-02-15 16:48 <djphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiYp-h6vuLg
2019-02-15 18:03 <osmantis> Bug #8482:04 Remove llEmail and replace with os function that can be secured. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8482 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-15 18:38 <JeffKelley> osEmail? Le'ts give a persistent http address to each prim, the way each prim has an email address, and no scripter will use email ever
2019-02-15 18:48 <Plugh> Hm... devigor used the word "olasiti". If that is a typo I can't decipher it.
2019-02-15 18:53 <Tampa> "Lindons" is much funnier
2019-02-15 18:54 <Tampa> He gets it though, if you enable llEmail functionality you are responsible for it, if you remove your ssh password that is also on you, can't idiot proof everything
2019-02-15 18:55 <Tampa> OpenSim is modular, don't like a module, don't use it
2019-02-15 18:55 <Tampa> I guess if anyone wants to patch that thing to be less problematic in terms of security in spam sure, but that's not an easy task
2019-02-15 18:57 <Tampa> Mailservers get hacked all the time, I got over 1000 blocked ones just this month alone, with the new gtlds there is a ton more room for abuse and you don't need OpenSim for that either
2019-02-15 18:58 <Plugh> gtlds?
2019-02-15 18:59 <Tampa>  .computer .nyc etc
2019-02-15 18:59 <Tampa>  .sexy xD
2019-02-15 18:59 <Plugh> Right. Mail servers are hacked as the bad guys are after passwords that someone might also be using for their online banking.
2019-02-15 19:20 <AliciaRaven2> i run a mail server and its constantly under attack from china
2019-02-15 19:21 <BillBlight> So you are saying just because mail servers get hacked all the time we should not bother securing the function from our end, that is pretty short sited .. but whatever, easy enough for me to quit trying ..
2019-02-15 19:23 <Tampa> No I never said not to try, but it is not easy to do so requires someone with good knowledge else you may just be patching holes instead of actually building walls
2019-02-15 19:31 <BillBlight> My suggestion of making it an os function that can be controlled by the osslEnable fills some of those needs, because what I have seen happen in the past, is a place wants a few avatars to be able to use it to get notifications, but just RestrictEmail = true , makes it too restricted so they just open it up for all .. Where with osslEnable levels you could provide UUIDs that are allowed 
2019-02-15 19:31 <BillBlight> to use it fully .. but whatever, it is not actually that complicated but I see that some want to make it seem that way .. 
2019-02-15 19:32 <misterblue> that's a good approach, though... what actually is the problem they are trying to solve
2019-02-15 19:33 <misterblue> if it's just enabling email for 'trusted' avatars, that's different than a generalized email control mechanism
2019-02-15 19:33 <BillBlight> enabling the the function for all currently let's anybody send email from a script, to anybody, and since llfunctions don't have security lables, it is either restricted or not restricted, no levels of access ..
2019-02-15 19:34 <BillBlight> levels not lables
2019-02-15 19:35 <BillBlight> SL being a walled garden it is ok for them to have the function enabled, as they totally control everything going in and out, but when you start talking about open grids, it becomes another topic all together
2019-02-15 19:35 <Tampa> I am in full support of setting it up like ossl but not to rename it to an os function
2019-02-15 19:35 <misterblue> why not rename it? is there too much legacy?
2019-02-15 19:36 <BillBlight> they are afraid of making people cry
2019-02-15 19:36 <misterblue> or keep the ll version as messed up as it is but add an equivilantly formatted os function that has osslEnable controls
2019-02-15 19:36 <Tampa> Yeah that doesn't solve anything
2019-02-15 19:37 <Tampa> Why not simply add the ossl perm system to llEmail, surely that can't be that hard
2019-02-15 19:37 <misterblue> anything? that there are people who configure their regions wrong? not sure what you're trying to solve
2019-02-15 19:37 <Tampa> Especially when they then cry about it functioning differently one has the opportunity to educate them on the proper use of it
2019-02-15 19:38 <misterblue> I thought people wanted an email function that could be restricted in a reasonable way
2019-02-15 19:38 <BillBlight> I think applying ossl permissions to a non os function would confuse them even more
2019-02-15 19:40 <Tampa> Alternative is disable llEmail and make them use osEmail which they will just set to true as well cause they don't want to learn
2019-02-15 19:40 <Tampa> You can spin this as far as you like with idiocy, just what's reasonable to actually implement is the question
2019-02-15 19:40 <BillBlight> then it is on them at this point because as it is now, it is on or off, no options, if they have the options for security and don't use it, then I'm ok with them being stupid
2019-02-15 19:41 <Tampa> Which is fine, but that does not need the function to be ossl, you can just add that to llEmail and stuff a notice in the release stating the new config options
2019-02-15 19:41 <Tampa> If they set ossl or ll to true and unrestricted thats on them anyways
2019-02-15 19:42 <Plugh> llEmail has existed for a long time. I'm wondering why it has suddenly turned in to such a big problem.
2019-02-15 19:42 <BillBlight> because someone mentioned fixing it so it actually works, people have not been using it for a while because it didn't work easily since it did not support TLS
2019-02-15 19:43 <Plugh> What if llEmail is permanently restricted and a new os function is added that can send email to addresses other than the script owner?
2019-02-15 19:43 <Plugh> That will still get some (a few) people to complain that their vendors stopped working.
2019-02-15 19:44 <Tampa> Which would break old scripts and the infuriated region owners would just set the ossl function to unrestricted as well
2019-02-15 19:44 <Tampa> Fixing it up instead and in the same tune adding permissions to it to me seems like the better plan
2019-02-15 19:44 <Plugh> I don't see why it would for the grid people to make the ossl funtion unrestricted.
2019-02-15 19:44 <Tampa> "Look we fixed it, but in doing so please now use proper perms k thx bye"
2019-02-15 19:45 <Plugh> s/for/force/
2019-02-15 19:45 <Tampa> If you kill their pet they'll want a better one
2019-02-15 19:46 <Tampa> This is that sales tactic or whatever, give them something they like, fixing llEmail to work with TLS and so on, and then give them something they don't like, setting up proper usage perms, and you should get a nice equal at the end
2019-02-16 11:20 <Tampa> Ubit is gone, let's make BasicPhysics default! xD
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2019-02-16 16:41 <osmantis> Bug #8482:04 Remove llEmail and replace with os function that can be secured. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8482 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-02-16 17:25 <osmantis> Bug #8227:04 SYSTEMIP does not work correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8227 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-02-16 17:26 <osmantis> Bug #8227:04 SYSTEMIP does not work correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8227 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-02-16 17:33 <osmantis> Bug #8227:04 SYSTEMIP does not work correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8227 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-16 17:35 <osmantis> Bug #8481:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetLandDwell and PARCEL_DETAILS_LANDDWELL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8481 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-02-16 17:37 <osmantis> Bug #8425:04 No Defaultregion No info 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8425 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-02-16 18:47 <osmantis> Bug #8482:04 Remove llEmail and replace with os function that can be secured. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8482 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-17 11:50 <osmantis> Bug #6559:04 [EMAIL] DefaultEmailModule Exception Unrecognized authentication type 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6559 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-02-17 12:24 <djphil> Bill, you there ?
2019-02-17 12:34 <osmantis> Bug #6559:04 [EMAIL] DefaultEmailModule Exception Unrecognized authentication type 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6559 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-17 13:07 <osmantis> Bug #8484:04 AllowCrossOrigin on the entire simulator http server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8484 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2019-02-17 13:08 <osmantis> Bug #6559:04 [EMAIL] DefaultEmailModule Exception Unrecognized authentication type 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6559 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
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2019-02-17 19:38 <osmantis> Bug #8483:04 llGetEnvironment not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8483 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-17 19:49 <osmantis> Bug #8483:04 llGetEnvironment not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8483 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-17 21:47 <osmantis> Bug #8483:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] llGetEnvironment not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8483 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2019-02-18 09:12 <osmantis> Bug #8484:04 AllowCrossOrigin on the entire simulator http server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8484 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-18 20:14 <paela> Hi =) Any have this work on XmlRpcGroupsServer for php7 ?
2019-02-18 20:14 <paela> think*
2019-02-18 20:53 <Plugh> paela: The xmlrpc.php file needs to be updated.
2019-02-18 20:56 <Plugh> paela: https://pastebin.com/3e5LPy2c
2019-02-18 21:31 <paela> thanks Plugh i will test it later
2019-02-18 22:47 <osmantis> Bug #8484:04 AllowCrossOrigin on the entire simulator http server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8484 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-02-19 06:10 <osmantis> Bug #8485:04 Does not pass into some openings in the walls of imported Collada houses 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8485 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-02-19 06:15 <osmantis> Bug #8486:04 Files are not imported periodically .dae (Collada). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8486 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-02-19 06:17 <osmantis> Bug #8486:04 Files are not imported periodically .dae (Collada). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8486 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-19 06:20 <osmantis> Bug #8485:04 Does not pass into some openings in the walls of imported Collada houses 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8485 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-19 06:27 <Tampa> Granted for a first time user this may be difficult to grasp, but then again he claims to been using this for years...
2019-02-19 06:32 <osmantis> Bug #8486:04 Files are not imported periodically .dae (Collada). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8486 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-19 06:33 <osmantis> Bug #8486:04 Files are not imported periodically .dae (Collada). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8486 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-19 06:35 <osmantis> Bug #8485:04 Does not pass into some openings in the walls of imported Collada houses 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8485 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-19 06:40 <osmantis> Bug #8486:04 Files are not imported periodically .dae (Collada). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8486 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-19 06:41 <osmantis> Bug #8485:04 Does not pass into some openings in the walls of imported Collada houses 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8485 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008486.
2019-02-19 06:41 <osmantis> Bug #8486:04 Files are not imported periodically .dae (Collada). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8486 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008485.
2019-02-19 06:42 <osmantis> Bug #8485:04 Does not pass into some openings in the walls of imported Collada houses 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8485 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-19 06:46 <osmantis> Bug #8486:04 Files are not imported periodically .dae (Collada). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8486 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-19 06:46 <osmantis> Bug #8486:04 Files are not imported periodically .dae (Collada). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8486 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-19 06:50 <osmantis> Bug #8485:04 Does not pass into some openings in the walls of imported Collada houses 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8485 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-19 06:54 <osmantis> Bug #8486:04 Files are not imported periodically .dae (Collada). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8486 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-19 07:01 <osmantis> Bug #8486:04 Files are not imported periodically .dae (Collada). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8486 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-19 07:12 <osmantis> Bug #8486:04 Files are not imported periodically .dae (Collada). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8486 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-19 07:26 <osmantis> Bug #8487:04 Techniques become as a Ghost 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8487 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-02-19 07:30 <osmantis> Bug #8487:04 Techniques become as a Ghost 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8487 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-19 07:31 <Tampa> Is he gonna open a mantis about every little thing now
2019-02-19 07:35 <osmantis> Bug #8486:04 Files are not imported periodically .dae (Collada). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8486 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-19 07:40 <osmantis> Bug #8486:04 Files are not imported periodically .dae (Collada). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8486 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-19 07:40 <osmantis> Bug #8486:04 Files are not imported periodically .dae (Collada). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8486 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-19 08:01 <osmantis> Bug #8486:04 Files are not imported periodically .dae (Collada). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8486 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-19 08:07 <osmantis> Bug #8488:04 When importing dae collada put a tick (texture). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8488 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-02-19 08:10 <osmantis> Bug #8486:04 Files are not imported periodically .dae (Collada). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8486 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-19 08:15 <osmantis> Bug #8488:04 When importing dae collada put a tick (texture). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8488 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-19 08:15 <Tampa> How many more of this is there...
2019-02-19 13:28 <osmantis> Bug #8485:04 Does not pass into some openings in the walls of imported Collada houses 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8485 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-02-19 20:15 <osmantis> Bug #8489:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] INVENTORY_SETTING Not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8489 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2019-02-19 20:16 <osmantis> Bug #8489:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] INVENTORY_SETTING Not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8489 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2019-02-19 20:18 <osmantis> Bug #8489:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] INVENTORY_SETTING Not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8489 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-19 20:22 <osmantis> Bug #8489:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] INVENTORY_SETTING Not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8489 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-19 20:22 <osmantis> Bug #8489:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] INVENTORY_SETTING Not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8489 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-02-19 20:32 <BillBlight> that function was added to the sl wiki  10:23, 1 February 2019‎ 
2019-02-19 20:33 <djphil> Yes, i say that on the mantis Description too :p
2019-02-19 20:36 <BillBlight> Exactly what does settings do
2019-02-19 20:36 <Plugh> Since MailKit is "unsuitable" I won't do any more work trying to use it. The mantis will stay open for a while until someone decides how to replace DotNet for mail.
2019-02-19 20:37 <BillBlight> we don't even have that inventory type at all do we?
2019-02-19 20:37 <Plugh> bbl. My cat has been bugging me to go play for some time.
2019-02-19 20:38 <BillBlight> there is not even any text on waht settings does
2019-02-19 20:38 <BillBlight> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Setting  blank
2019-02-19 21:10 <AliciaRaven> a bit early for a feature request if no one knows what it does
2019-02-19 21:20 <djphil> Now we already know that this exists :)
2019-02-19 21:20 <Ubit> we don't even have viewers supporting that
2019-02-19 21:21 <AliciaRaven> u got me wondering what it could be tho
2019-02-19 21:21 <Ubit> its the new enviroment thing
2019-02-19 21:21 <Ubit> it will controled by special objects on parcels
2019-02-19 21:22 <Ubit> more ll hacks
2019-02-19 21:23 <AliciaRaven> surprised they are working on it, i thought they had a skeleton crew there while most lindens worked on SL2
2019-02-19 21:24 <Ubit> not while sl2 is a fail
2019-02-19 21:24 <AliciaRaven> it has failed or potential fail?
2019-02-19 21:24 <Ubit> is a fail
2019-02-19 21:38 <djphil> When an object is dropped in a dropbox, do we have a way to know the uuid of the person who dropped the object ?
2019-02-19 21:39 <AliciaRaven> last owner id?
2019-02-19 21:40 <djphil> No i mean the uuid of the person who dropped
2019-02-19 21:40 <djphil> Not the uuid of the item but the uuid of the dropper
2019-02-19 21:41 <AliciaRaven> yes, last owner ID is the id of the last avatar to own the object before u
2019-02-19 21:42 <djphil> Mmm ok, i think i understand what you mean
2019-02-19 21:42 <AliciaRaven> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OBJECT_LAST_OWNER_ID
2019-02-19 21:42 <djphil> tanks for info, i try now :)
2019-02-19 21:57 <djphil> That return nothink ...
2019-02-19 21:57 <djphil> return*
2019-02-19 21:57 <djphil> list buffer = llGetObjectDetails(llGetInventoryKey(name), [OBJECT_LAST_OWNER_ID]);
2019-02-19 21:57 <djphil> possible bug ?
2019-02-19 21:58 <AliciaRaven> sounds like it, unless the object was created by u and has no previous owners
2019-02-19 21:59 <djphil> well in this case must be return NULL_KEY
2019-02-19 21:59 <djphil> not nothing lol
2019-02-19 21:59 <djphil> but i have try with another avatar
2019-02-19 21:59 <djphil> the object isn't mine
2019-02-19 22:01 <djphil> This return a uuid llGetOwnerKey or null key
2019-02-20 02:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #6198 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-20 02:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6198: SUCCESS in 7 min 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6198/
2019-02-20 02:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add osKickAvatar(LSL_Key agentKey, string alert)
2019-02-20 03:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #6199 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-20 03:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6199: FAILURE in 1 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6199/
2019-02-20 03:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: estate kick now just kill user connection if on same region. The teleport home we did, does not make much sense, and would need more work anyways
2019-02-20 04:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #6200 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6198 1 hr 58 min ago)
2019-02-20 04:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6200: STILL FAILING in 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6200/
2019-02-20 04:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Xengine: don't lose state change events
2019-02-20 04:05 <Ubit> err fail ??
2019-02-20 04:05 <Ubit> grr
2019-02-20 04:06 <Ubit> oops
2019-02-20 04:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #6201 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #6198 2 hr 1 min ago)
2019-02-20 04:13 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-02-20 04:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6201: FIXED in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6201/
2019-02-20 04:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file on the kick commit
2019-02-20 04:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #6202 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-02-20 05:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6202: SUCCESS in 5 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6202/
2019-02-20 05:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Xengine: exclude a few more events from mineventdelay
2019-02-20 20:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #6203 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-20 20:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6203: SUCCESS in 7 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6203/
2019-02-20 20:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Yengine: let llminEventDelay do something: it just ignores a more limited set of events than Xengine (neither do as SL)
2019-02-20 20:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #6204 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-20 20:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6204: SUCCESS in 5 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6204/
2019-02-20 20:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Yengine:save minEventDelay in script state
2019-02-20 21:59 <Ubit> updated http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsApproxEquals
2019-02-20 21:59 <Ubit> hope it makes sense in english :p
2019-02-20 22:26 <BillBlight> I understand it, but the 1e-2 is going to throw off the unwashed masses
2019-02-20 22:26 <Ubit> its a example
2019-02-20 22:26 <Ubit> why will throw off ?
2019-02-20 22:27 <BillBlight> yeah I know, because joe moron does not know what 1e-2 is
2019-02-20 22:27 <Ubit> better now ?
2019-02-20 22:28 <Ubit> well there is 1e-6 on the default spec :)
2019-02-20 22:29 <BillBlight> so the default spec is 0.000001
2019-02-20 22:30 <Ubit> and now ?
2019-02-20 22:31 <BillBlight> I think they will at least understand the examples now ...  
2019-02-20 22:34 <djphil> 
ACTION Open my ears

2019-02-20 22:34 <Ubit> and now ?
2019-02-20 22:34 <djphil> Zorro coming!
2019-02-20 22:35 <Ubit> guess thats better than Tonto.. but not sure
2019-02-20 22:35 <BillBlight> or Toto
2019-02-20 22:39 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsGetInertiaData
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2019-02-21 07:09 <osmantis> Bug #8485:04 Does not pass into some openings in the walls of imported Collada houses 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8485 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-21 16:39 <djphil> Yesterday I tested osGetInertia and I erased the object of my region when test finished.
2019-02-21 16:39 <djphil> Today I receive this red alert message https://pastebin.com/31EdwTcF
2019-02-21 17:26 <AliciaRaven> sounds like you fired the prim like a cannon ball out of range and it splat against the boundary
2019-02-21 17:27 <AliciaRaven> u sure u erased it and it didn't "escape"
2019-02-21 17:27 <AliciaRaven> ?
2019-02-21 17:32 <AliciaRaven> free range prims can be tricky to catch
2019-02-21 17:59 <djphil> Yes yes I'm sure, I deleted it after the test last night and also I went to see the indicated location and there is nothing
2019-02-21 19:11 <Ubit> hi
2019-02-21 19:11 <Ubit> that is just a read function
2019-02-21 19:11 <Ubit> so something else went bad
2019-02-21 19:11 <djphil> yes
2019-02-21 19:12 <djphil> hi :)
2019-02-21 19:13 <Ubit> that Nuk :(
2019-02-21 19:13 <Ubit> told to not use step2 etc and he did
2019-02-21 19:14 <djphil> (lol)
2019-02-21 19:16 <djphil> told again :p
2019-02-21 19:18 <Ubit> "Be careful, never use Step 2: Analyze, it breaks your mesh. "
2019-02-21 19:19 <Ubit> worse may freak out viewer
2019-02-21 19:19 <Ubit> no idea why  hacd is used by many now
2019-02-21 19:19 <Ubit> inc some game engines
2019-02-21 19:19 <Ubit> well their editors
2019-02-21 19:20 <djphil> hacd ?
2019-02-21 19:20 <Ubit> the lib used to do that low level mesh things
2019-02-21 19:21 <Ubit> for opensim
2019-02-21 19:21 <Ubit> for sl they use havok
2019-02-21 19:21 <djphil> Hmmm okay :)
2019-02-21 19:21 <Ubit> and thats the may problem
2019-02-21 19:21 <Ubit> they only test with havok
2019-02-21 19:21 <Ubit> fs even tells meshes may not work on opensim
2019-02-21 19:22 <djphil> :s
2019-02-21 19:23 <Ubit> void main() {
2019-02-21 19:23 <Ubit> 	main(); // Hi! :D
2019-02-21 19:23 <Ubit> }
2019-02-21 19:23 <Ubit> lol
2019-02-21 19:33 <djphil> Trying to know who dropped an object in the dropbox, I tried to get prim inventory item last owner with OBJECT_LAST_OWNER_ID as recommended by Alicia yesterday but it does not go .. would it be a bug? Hmmm .... ( script to test @ https://pastebin.com/hs6mV3K6 )
2019-02-21 19:34 <Ubit> the object is not rez on region
2019-02-21 19:34 <djphil> Not sure if that requiere mantis or isn't a bug ...
2019-02-21 19:35 <djphil> "the object" what object ?
2019-02-21 19:35 <Ubit> nopes not a bug alicia just didn't notice you where looking to a inventory item
2019-02-21 19:35 <djphil> ha oki
2019-02-21 19:36 <djphil> llGetObjectDetails not able to work on inventory item
2019-02-21 19:36 <Ubit> llGetObjectDetails is for objects in world
2019-02-21 19:36 <djphil> :)
2019-02-21 19:36 <djphil> Well, we need a new function then :p
2019-02-21 19:37 <BillBlight> according to the SL Wiki , There is no way to tell who dropped the item in. If you really need to know, consider making the user touch the prim first to turn the llAllowInventoryDrop on, and then grab the user's information from the touch event, and then set it back to FALSE through a timer
2019-02-21 19:38 <Ubit> try llGetInventoryCreator maybe
2019-02-21 19:38 <Ubit> but yeah, mb not possible
2019-02-21 19:38 <djphil> ha yes Ubit maybee, i will try
2019-02-21 19:38 <BillBlight> This is that point where wanting to do things EXACTLY like SL bites you in the ass
2019-02-21 19:38 <djphil> YEah Bill that i know
2019-02-21 19:39 <djphil> I whant without pre  touch
2019-02-21 19:39 <BillBlight> you are also the one that always wants us to do it EXACTLY like SL
2019-02-21 19:39 <BillBlight> :P
2019-02-21 19:40 <djphil> If it is lower yes :p
2019-02-21 19:40 <djphil> ...
2019-02-21 19:40 <Ubit> well creator is not what you really want lol
2019-02-21 19:41 <djphil> dropper is what i try to get
2019-02-21 19:41 <djphil> on change state
2019-02-21 19:41 <Ubit> you want lastowner
2019-02-21 19:41 <BillBlight> well that would be a deviation from SL's change event, and the llAllowInventoryDrop
2019-02-21 19:46 <djphil> That deviate nothing lol
2019-02-21 19:47 <djphil> Well done Ubit "llGetInventoryCreator" do the job
2019-02-21 19:47 <djphil> the uuid can be converted to a name with osKey2Name
2019-02-21 19:47 <djphil> but not with llKey2Name
2019-02-21 19:48 <djphil> else seams working fine :)
2019-02-21 19:48 <djphil> that to remeber me the "llGetInventoryCreator" :)
2019-02-21 19:50 <Ubit> but creator is not what you need
2019-02-21 19:51 <djphil> True, not exactly
2019-02-21 19:51 <Tampa> How is Last Owner stored/computed anyways, which table does that come from?
2019-02-21 19:51 <djphil> but the "inventory creator" isn't the personne have dropped the item into the inventory (like "create" the "inventory item"
2019-02-21 19:52 <Tampa> Shouldn't drop in of items fire changed?
2019-02-21 19:52 <Ubit> it does
2019-02-21 19:53 <Tampa> And detectedkey does not fetch who dropped it in?
2019-02-21 19:53 <Ubit> that is not present on change events
2019-02-21 19:54 <Ubit> and change is inventory change only
2019-02-21 19:54 <djphil> no tampa, already try
2019-02-21 19:54 <djphil> it requiere "i" not "change"
2019-02-21 19:54 <Ubit> no info about what changed
2019-02-21 19:54 <djphil> actually we can only know what change (texture, sound, etc ...) but no who change ...
2019-02-21 19:57 <djphil> but nothing about who made the change*   ... and sorry for bad google translation :p
2019-02-21 19:58 <Ubit> actually can be HANGED_ALLOWED_DROP
2019-02-21 19:59 <djphil> that true if llAllowInventoryDrop
2019-02-21 19:59 <Ubit> and drop is not from prim owner lol
2019-02-21 19:59 <djphil> Why ? :o
2019-02-21 20:00 <Ubit> just seen it
2019-02-21 20:00 <djphil> i like use my dropbox :)
2019-02-21 20:00 <AliciaRaven> when the item drops, u could find the closest avatar to the box maybe
2019-02-21 20:00 <Ubit> also drop worked withou cntrl  key presses
2019-02-21 20:00 <Ubit> pressed
2019-02-21 20:01 <djphil> not with texture Ubit ... that remplace the texture on face droped if no keyboard pressed ...
2019-02-21 20:01 <Ubit> ahh ok
2019-02-21 20:01 <djphil> Good idea Alicia :) but not precision, not 100% is him ...
2019-02-21 20:02 <Ubit> nahh that fails a lot :)
2019-02-21 20:03 <djphil> well with ctrl + drag and drop that work fine ...
2019-02-21 20:03 <Ubit> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/WhoAddedWhat  <-- why they have such a bad script there ?
2019-02-21 20:04 <djphil> Wrong lol
2019-02-21 20:04 <djphil> that say nothing about the dropper
2019-02-21 20:04 <Ubit> well seems ther is now way really
2019-02-21 20:04 <Ubit> even to find the dropped item
2019-02-21 20:04 <djphil> exactly
2019-02-21 20:04 <djphil> that "missing" lol
2019-02-21 20:04 <Ubit> if you have more than one 
2019-02-21 20:05 <Ubit> notecards..
2019-02-21 20:05 <djphil> same problem with only one
2019-02-21 20:05 <Ubit> only at least you can find the item :)
2019-02-21 20:06 <djphil> Fortunately, pfiouuuu
2019-02-21 20:06 <Ubit> to get it, one needs to keep a full list on know items
2019-02-21 20:07 <Ubit> and get all again and compare
2019-02-21 20:07 <djphil> you mean to get the name of last item droppped ?
2019-02-21 20:07 <Ubit> to just find what item it was
2019-02-21 20:08 <djphil> We have no problem to know that
2019-02-21 20:08 <Ubit> yes we do
2019-02-21 20:08 <djphil> All function to know that is available :)
2019-02-21 20:08 <Ubit> how ?
2019-02-21 20:08 <djphil> Type/Key/Number/Name
2019-02-21 20:08 <Ubit> without doing the crap i said ?
2019-02-21 20:09 <Ubit> what if you have 50 notecards already there and one drops another ?
2019-02-21 20:11 <djphil> Ho i see what you mean, yes for that we need a items list
2019-02-21 20:14 <djphil> What I want to do is not extraordinary ...
2019-02-21 20:14 <djphil> Just say "thank you user.x for giving your texture in the dropbox" :p
2019-02-21 20:15 <djphil> and finds it surprising that it is not possible ...
2019-02-21 21:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #6205 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-21 21:57 <Ubit> play with that dj
2019-02-21 21:57 <djphil> Hehe tyvm :)
2019-02-21 21:57 <Ubit> you still need to find the damm item
2019-02-21 21:59 <Ubit> hmm viewers also do not show lastowner.. wonder why
2019-02-21 21:59 <Ubit> they forgot it or im missing something ?
2019-02-21 22:00 <djphil> It show only perms i think
2019-02-21 22:01 <Ubit> and creator and owner yes
2019-02-21 22:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6205: SUCCESS in 7 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6205/
2019-02-21 22:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix last owner on add to  object inventory
2019-02-21 22:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #6206 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-21 22:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6206: SUCCESS in 5 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6206/
2019-02-21 22:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add LSL_Key osGetInventoryLastOwner(string itemNameorid)
2019-02-21 22:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #6207 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-21 22:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6207: SUCCESS in 5 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6207/
2019-02-21 22:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Yengine changed position and shape events can bt throttled by mineventdelay
2019-02-21 22:21 <misterblue> sometimes creating a new region module can be so frustrating... just can't figure out why OpenSIm won't find and load the module
2019-02-21 22:22 <Ubit> ?
2019-02-21 22:22 <Ubit> added those things at start for monoaddins?
2019-02-21 22:22 <misterblue> I made a module, made sure the "[Extension..." header was there just like another module that loads... start OpenSim and it doesn't find or load the dll
2019-02-21 22:23 <misterblue> don't know why MonoAddins is not finding it
2019-02-21 22:23 <Ubit> hmm long since i made one
2019-02-21 22:23 <misterblue> RegionModulesControllerPlugin calls AddinManager.GetExtensionNodes and it doesn't return my DLL
2019-02-21 22:24 <Ubit> silly question, it is on bin/ ? :)
2019-02-21 22:24 <misterblue> it even returns a DLL that is not in the OpenSim build (a module that's left over from a previous build)
2019-02-21 22:25 <misterblue> yes, I can see the DLL, I can does dumpbin to see it has no explicit dependencies
2019-02-21 22:25 <Ubit> try delete the addins folder
2019-02-21 22:25 <misterblue> there must be something it is dependent on that doesn't exist and monoaddins is making an error somewhere
2019-02-21 22:25 <misterblue> did that
2019-02-21 22:25 <misterblue> after a new build, my addin is just not there
2019-02-21 22:26 <misterblue> there is probably an environment variable somewhere that will cause MonoAddins to output errors
2019-02-21 22:26 <Ubit> yeap, should be created on next start
2019-02-21 22:26 <misterblue> that's usually how the Mono people do it
2019-02-21 22:27 <Ubit> well all our modules are working, so guess ur missing something
2019-02-21 22:28 <misterblue> ya... something
2019-02-21 22:28 <Ubit> [Extension(Path = "/OpenSim/RegionModules", NodeName = "RegionModule", Id = "ubODEPhysicsScene")]
2019-02-21 22:28 <Ubit> this is the last i made :)
2019-02-21 22:29 <misterblue> shutting down OpenSim under Visual Studio debugging does show a bunch of exceptions... System.Threading.ThreadAbortExceptions to all the .TryTake's in GetAssetsModule
2019-02-21 22:29 <misterblue> something is missing in the thread abort/cleanup stuff
2019-02-21 22:29 <Ubit> [assembly: Addin("YEngine", OpenSim.VersionInfo.VersionNumber)]
2019-02-21 22:29 <Ubit> [assembly: AddinDependency("OpenSim.Region.Framework", OpenSim.VersionInfo.VersionNumber)]
2019-02-21 22:29 <Ubit> this i only renamed things
2019-02-21 22:30 <Ubit> hmm
2019-02-21 22:30 <Ubit> that does not look right for modules now
2019-02-21 22:31 <Ubit> never mind
2019-02-21 22:32 <Ubit> damm forgot what code i was breaking
2019-02-21 22:33 <misterblue> there are several TryTake's that are in aborting threads... 
2019-02-21 22:33 <misterblue> anyway... I didn't check the the AssemblyInfo... hope you gave me the hint I needed <fingers-crossed/>
2019-02-21 22:34 <Ubit> :)
2019-02-21 22:38 <AliciaRaven> been along time since i tried, but back when i did, i used modules alot, there is ini also to run them isnt there?
2019-02-21 22:39 <Ubit> well i usually just c&p other and clean :)
2019-02-21 22:40 <Ubit> but im known to be lazy ;)
2019-02-21 22:47 <AliciaRaven> looking at my old OpenSim.ini i have..
2019-02-21 22:48 <AliciaRaven> [SSGame]
2019-02-21 22:48 <AliciaRaven> GameModule = "Spellscape.Game"
2019-02-21 22:48 <misterblue> thanks for the hint, Ubit... take a bow!!
2019-02-21 22:48 <AliciaRaven> fixed?
2019-02-21 22:48 <misterblue> If the correct incantation is not in AssemblyInfo, MonoAddins just silently ignores the DLL
2019-02-21 22:48 <Ubit> :)
2019-02-21 22:48 <AliciaRaven> cool
2019-02-21 22:49 <AliciaRaven> it is a very temperamental system, doesnt take mutch to throw it off
2019-02-21 22:49 <misterblue> at least now all the errors and exceptions are in my camp :)
2019-02-21 22:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #6208 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-21 22:55 <Ubit> that means Yengine only ( for now )
2019-02-21 22:56 <djphil> kk
2019-02-21 22:56 <Ubit> i hope im not missing something on this :p
2019-02-21 22:57 <Ubit> ( like permission issues )
2019-02-21 22:57 <djphil> i don't have Yengine simu ... :s
2019-02-21 22:58 <Ubit> well my test region is on it, to only testing on it :p
2019-02-21 22:58 <djphil> isn't like "at home" lol
2019-02-21 22:59 <djphil> what we can do with "ServerReleaseNotesURL" ?
2019-02-21 22:59 <djphil> that only for console command or ?
2019-02-21 23:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6208: SUCCESS in 5 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6208/
2019-02-21 23:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let changed allowed drop have lldetectedkey[0] return the dropped item id, Yengine and still testing"
2019-02-21 23:10 <djphil> hehe yellow has 100% disappeared from the console during the compilation of opensim, congratulation :)
2019-02-21 23:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #6209 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-21 23:11 <misterblue> Ubit has been busy :)
2019-02-21 23:12 <Ubit> easy things :)
2019-02-21 23:12 <djphil> More serious :)
2019-02-21 23:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6209: SUCCESS in 5 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6209/
2019-02-21 23:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add LSL_String osGetInventoryName(LSL_Key itemId) and LSL_String osGetInventoryDescription(LSL_String itemNameOrId)
2019-02-21 23:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #6210 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-21 23:18 <Ubit> ok dj crash yr region now
2019-02-21 23:18 <djphil> Xengine say tank you!
2019-02-21 23:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6210: SUCCESS in 5 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6210/
2019-02-21 23:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let Xengine also have that detectedkey
2019-02-21 23:25 <BillBlight> dev outreach is Y, and I'll get it updated here soon
2019-02-21 23:26 <djphil> Arfff again this red alert when restart the sim now (about osGetInertiaData :s
2019-02-21 23:26 <Ubit> do you know what inertia is?
2019-02-21 23:26 <Ubit> :p
2019-02-21 23:26 <djphil> is just a Get Inertia scripts
2019-02-21 23:26 <djphil> i have posted the script on the wiki
2019-02-21 23:27 <Ubit> it is not very usefull really
2019-02-21 23:27 <djphil> :s
2019-02-21 23:27 <djphil> i rez 3 prims, linked and turn to physical
2019-02-21 23:28 <djphil> and script in root
2019-02-21 23:29 <Ubit>         public LSL_Key osGetLastInventoryEventChanged()
2019-02-21 23:29 <Ubit> don't like this name :)
2019-02-21 23:29 <djphil> osGetInventoryDropper
2019-02-21 23:30 <Ubit> i may extend it to changed inventory
2019-02-21 23:30 <Ubit> well but that can be add or remove
2019-02-21 23:30 <Ubit> details
2019-02-21 23:31 <djphil> a new constant sin't possible ?
2019-02-21 23:31 <djphil> INVENTORY_DROPPER
2019-02-21 23:31 <Ubit> and was dropped not dropper
2019-02-21 23:31 <djphil> oops :p
2019-02-21 23:31 <djphil> ok boss !
2019-02-21 23:31 <Ubit> its the item id not the agent
2019-02-21 23:32 <djphil> both are interessing
2019-02-21 23:33 <paela> inventory drop ? can be dangerous no ? 
2019-02-21 23:33 <Ubit> 15:33] Object: id 50280ef7-3a8e-4805-99df-dfaf39908870
2019-02-21 23:33 <Ubit> [15:33] Object: name blabla 3
2019-02-21 23:33 <Ubit> [15:33] Object: desc 2019-02-21 19:58:42 note card
2019-02-21 23:33 <Ubit> [15:33] Object: who 8afe69d3-0e7c-4811-84f4-46bba94d91c1
2019-02-21 23:33 <djphil> :)
2019-02-21 23:33 <Ubit> rules did not changed, only adding info if it does happen
2019-02-21 23:34 <djphil> llKeyToNAme work on it now or only osKey2Name ?
2019-02-21 23:34 <Ubit> well and useful is other cases i hope
2019-02-21 23:34 <BillBlight> Anything can be dangerous if you don't know how to use it , or use it incorrectly
2019-02-21 23:34 <paela> well me i think about greffer most of normal usage :)
2019-02-21 23:34 <Ubit> odd why my test prim gives a position change event now and then ??
2019-02-21 23:35 <Ubit> well and randon... nice debug 
2019-02-21 23:35 <Ubit> ok mb damm backup 
2019-02-21 23:37 <djphil> @Ubit: 10 01llKey2Name work on it now or only osKey2Name ?01
2019-02-21 23:38 <Ubit> should do something
2019-02-21 23:38 <djphil> kk
2019-02-21 23:39 <Ubit> osGetLastChangedEventKey
2019-02-21 23:39 <djphil> :)
2019-02-21 23:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #6211 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-21 23:46 <Tampa> ...and they say you can't talk to the OpenSim dev about reasonable requests
2019-02-21 23:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6211: SUCCESS in 5 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6211/
2019-02-21 23:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add LSL_Key osGetLastChangedEventKey() ( it is a alias for lldetectedkey(0) but don't tell anyone
2019-02-21 23:47 <Ubit> yeack Y errors are so confusing :)
2019-02-21 23:48 <Ubit> [15:48] Object: id 99e845b7-e4c1-421e-84b1-0a563ae89e4e
2019-02-21 23:48 <Ubit> [15:48] Object: name blabla 4
2019-02-21 23:48 <Ubit> [15:48] Object: desc 2019-02-21 19:58:42 note card
2019-02-21 23:48 <Ubit> [15:48] Object: who 8afe69d3-0e7c-4811-84f4-46bba94d91c1 Ubit Test4
2019-02-21 23:48 <Ubit> from
2019-02-21 23:48 <Ubit>         if (ch & CHANGED_ALLOWED_DROP)
2019-02-21 23:48 <Ubit>         {
2019-02-21 23:48 <Ubit>             key id = osGetLastChangedEventKey();
2019-02-21 23:48 <Ubit>             llSay(0,"id "+(string)id);
2019-02-21 23:48 <Ubit>             llSay(0,"name " + osGetInventoryName(id));
2019-02-21 23:48 <Ubit>             llSay(0,"desc " + osGetInventoryDescription(id));
2019-02-21 23:48 <Ubit>             key who = osGetInventoryLastOwner(id);
2019-02-21 23:48 <Ubit>             llSay(0,"who " + (string)who + " " + llKey2Name(who));        
2019-02-21 23:48 <Ubit>         }
2019-02-21 23:49 <djphil> ha cool, llKey2name working now :)
2019-02-21 23:50 <djphil> for group key too ? :p
2019-02-21 23:50 <djphil> hihihi
2019-02-21 23:50 <djphil> SL provide API to get group name by group key
2019-02-21 23:51 <djphil> i have write a php but ... :p
2019-02-21 23:52 <Ubit> at osgrid just send a email to paela asking the name :p
2019-02-21 23:52 <Ubit> gezz why phone when we can walk there... :p
2019-02-21 23:54 <djphil> I'm waiting for the forums bugs first are repaired ..
2019-02-21 23:56 <Ubit> well those things work?
2019-02-21 23:56 <Ubit> i did not test on Xengine :p
2019-02-21 23:57 <djphil> ok, good, i will test on X
2019-02-21 23:57 <Ubit> gezz you still didn't test??
2019-02-21 23:57 <Tampa> Why so impatient tonight?
2019-02-21 23:57 <djphil> well a nee re re re upadte and re re re compile first :p
2019-02-21 23:58 <paela> Well you can wait 1 or 2 years Djphil have more important in real life actually of resolve minor bugs on old forums of osg :)
2019-02-21 23:58 <Ubit> Bill already tested all, right Bill ?
2019-02-21 23:58 <djphil> no impatience Tampa, just responsiveness and effectiveness :)
2019-02-21 23:59 <Tampa> I don't even know what you lot are doing at the moment, I'll just wait and read the commits later
2019-02-22 00:00 <Ubit> dj is only crashing his region
2019-02-22 00:00 <Tampa> business as usual then
2019-02-22 00:00 <Ubit> yeap
2019-02-22 00:00 <djphil> no crash, just experiments
2019-02-22 00:00 <Ubit> Bill is hidding
2019-02-22 00:02 <BillBlight> you keep dropping more patches so I have build an update, so NO I have not tested it yet
2019-02-22 00:02 <Ubit> week
2019-02-22 00:03 <BillBlight> yeah might take me a week
2019-02-22 00:03 <BillBlight> :P
2019-02-22 00:04 <Ubit> we know :p
2019-02-22 00:04 <Tampa> Our little dev over here is getting mighty cocky huh Bill, maybe needs a refresher of some sort.. xD
2019-02-22 00:05 <BillBlight> That's ok I'll beat him late
2019-02-22 00:05 <BillBlight> later
2019-02-22 00:05 <BillBlight> :P
2019-02-22 00:05 <BillBlight> 
ACTION Smacks Ubit with a slide rule

2019-02-22 00:06 <Ubit> outch
2019-02-22 00:06 <paela> ubit are very active this night
2019-02-22 00:06 <paela> :D
2019-02-22 00:07 <Ubit> about to fall asleep :p
2019-02-22 00:07 <BillBlight> do I need to smack you again?
2019-02-22 00:08 <Ubit> depends.. how much you like yr regions :p
2019-02-22 00:08 <BillBlight> LOL
2019-02-22 00:08 <BillBlight> well, I like my regions a lot, but bring it on big dog .. :P
2019-02-22 00:09 <Tampa> Oi cockfights are illegal xD
2019-02-22 00:09 <AliciaRaven> dont bite the hand that feeds u, or u may get a slap round the chops with a large wet fish lol
2019-02-22 00:09 <djphil> Bill are you suicidal ?
2019-02-22 00:09 <Ubit> u may find a variant of that adam code snicking into yr regions :p
2019-02-22 00:10 <Tampa> Back in my day it was force-self-attaching flexipeni... those were the days...
2019-02-22 00:10 <Ubit> well assuming there aren't already variants of it there already :)
2019-02-22 00:11 <paela> next month i do not offer you coffee ub you do not sleep enough!
2019-02-22 00:11 <paela> ubit**
2019-02-22 00:12 <Ubit> :)
2019-02-22 01:35 <djphil> @Ubit, you know we have http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsGetInventoryDesc
2019-02-22 01:36 <djphil> why osGetInventoryDescription ? why not o01sGetInventoryDesc01 improvment (with name or uuid)
2019-02-22 01:41 <djphil> another alias :p
2019-02-22 01:54 <djphil> all new lsl ossl works wonderfully on X
2019-02-22 02:36 <Tampa> Linux kernel has swearing, we have: String[] annoying_string_array = config.Configs xD
2019-02-22 02:37 <Tampa> m_disabledModules.Add(bloody_wanker); omfg
2019-02-22 09:05 <BootScout_> Good morning I just migrated from sqlite to mysql but I forgot to save an .oar file how could I go back to sqlite or recover my assets?
2019-02-22 09:06 <Tampa> Do you still have the sqlite dbs around or did you delete them?
2019-02-22 09:06 <Tampa> You can just switch the database connection string back to them
2019-02-22 09:07 <Tampa> There are also programs that can convert sqlite to mysql syntax files at which point you can just transfer the data over even
2019-02-22 09:07 <osmantis> Bug #8490:04 About big size. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8490 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-02-22 09:09 <BootScout_> asset.db is 240MBb
2019-02-22 09:09 <osmantis> Bug #8490:04 About big size. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8490 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-22 09:10 <BootScout_> Tampa i still have those files...I only uncommented the sqlite line and added the mysql access lines and ofcourse the mysql database has been created
2019-02-22 09:11 <BootScout_> I then run the opensim.exe and added a new state and manager
2019-02-22 09:11 <Tampa> You can just switch that back then or find a converter and import the sql into the new database
2019-02-22 09:11 <Tampa> Converters are available online for free even
2019-02-22 09:11 <BootScout_> if I uncomment the sqlite line now an error appears when running the exe
2019-02-22 09:12 <BootScout_> https://pastebin.com/hGDDVXk7
2019-02-22 09:14 <Tampa> It cannot read a config line properly, you sure you did not edit another line?
2019-02-22 09:14 <Tampa> It's complaining about missing an = sign
2019-02-22 09:16 <BootScout_> I only uncommented the standalonecommon.ini
2019-02-22 09:16 <BootScout_> the line:
2019-02-22 09:16 <BootScout_>    SQLite
2019-02-22 09:16 <BootScout_>     Include-Storage = "config-include/storage/SQLiteStandalone.ini";
2019-02-22 09:17 <BootScout_> I also commented the MySql lines
2019-02-22 09:18 <osmantis> Bug #8490:04 About big size. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8490 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-22 09:18 <Tampa> Well it says it expects an assignment operator but is not given one so either you uncomment too many lines or there is an error in the syntax elsewhere, unfortunately the error does not say what exactly it found
2019-02-22 09:19 <Tampa> Check the configs again make sure everything is properly commented and uncomment that should be so it does not attempt to read a line as a config option when in reality it is a comment
2019-02-22 09:19 <BootScout_> you nailed
2019-02-22 09:19 <BootScout_> it
2019-02-22 09:19 <BootScout_> I had also commented the sqlite line and it was not needed
2019-02-22 09:20 <BootScout_> uncommented*
2019-02-22 09:20 <osmantis> Bug #8490:04 About big size. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8490 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-22 09:21 <BootScout_> thank you very much! my sim is now back!!
2019-02-22 09:21 <BootScout_> :-)
2019-02-22 09:21 <Tampa> No problem, I had a feeling when I saw the lines you pasted hehe
2019-02-22 09:21 <BootScout_> now i save an oar...
2019-02-22 09:22 <BootScout_> comment the sqlite line and uncomment the mysql ones and load oar
2019-02-22 09:24 <Tampa> You will also need to make an iar if you want to keep your inventory
2019-02-22 09:27 <osmantis> Bug #8490:04 About big size. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8490 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-22 09:34 <BootScout_> will the oar save scripts aswell?
2019-02-22 09:37 <Tampa> If they are inside the prims then yes
2019-02-22 09:37 <BillBlight> yes
2019-02-22 09:38 <BootScout_> confirmed
2019-02-22 11:12 <osmantis> Bug #8490:04 About big size. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8490 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-22 11:19 <osmantis> Bug #8490:04 About big size. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8490 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-22 11:37 <osmantis> Bug #8490:04 About big size. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8490 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-22 11:44 <osmantis> Bug #8490:04 About big size. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8490 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-22 11:57 <osmantis> Bug #8490:04 About big size. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8490 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-22 18:02 <misterblue> does anyone still use the Snmp service in OpenSim?
2019-02-22 18:03 <JeffKelley> I was not aware of a snmp service in OpenSim
2019-02-22 18:04 <misterblue> looks like a status service someone added (could have been Mel looking at the 'git blame')
2019-02-22 18:05 <Melanie_T> why would you ask?
2019-02-22 18:05 <misterblue> but whoever added it, rather than adding status events to the base system and added a region module, they scattered service specific code all over the place
2019-02-22 18:06 <misterblue> I was looking at adding more events for more region modules and found that someone had put service specific code around rather than adding plugable events
2019-02-22 18:06 <Melanie_T> it came from a long forgotten grid
2019-02-22 18:06 <Melanie_T> cleanup is a worthwhile goal
2019-02-22 18:06 <Melanie_T> removal would not be a good thing
2019-02-22 18:07 <misterblue> If I moved the code into a module, is there any way of testing it?
2019-02-22 18:17 <osmantis> Bug #8485:04 Does not pass into some openings in the walls of imported Collada houses 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8485 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-22 18:18 <BillBlight> 
ACTION hands a life Nuke to Nuk

2019-02-22 18:19 <BillBlight> 
ACTION and a live one too

2019-02-22 18:28 <osmantis> Bug #8485:04 Does not pass into some openings in the walls of imported Collada houses 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8485 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-22 18:43 <osmantis> Bug #8485:04 Does not pass into some openings in the walls of imported Collada houses 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8485 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-22 18:48 <osmantis> Bug #8485:04 Does not pass into some openings in the walls of imported Collada houses 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8485 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-22 18:50 <osmantis> Bug #8485:04 Does not pass into some openings in the walls of imported Collada houses 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8485 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-22 18:53 <osmantis> Bug #8485:04 Does not pass into some openings in the walls of imported Collada houses 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8485 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-22 18:53 <osmantis> Bug #8485:04 Does not pass into some openings in the walls of imported Collada houses 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8485 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-22 18:57 <osmantis> Bug #8485:04 Does not pass into some openings in the walls of imported Collada houses 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8485 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-22 18:58 <osmantis> Bug #8485:04 Does not pass into some openings in the walls of imported Collada houses 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8485 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-22 18:58 <BillBlight> His entire problem was he was leaving it set to Convex Hull
2019-02-22 19:03 <misterblue> humm... looks like the SMNP module itself is not included in core...
2019-02-22 19:03 <misterblue> ah well, back to what I was working on...
2019-02-22 19:10 <Melanie_T> if it's not i will have to fig it out
2019-02-22 19:10 <Melanie_T> dig*
2019-02-22 19:11 <Melanie_T> it should have dropped
2019-02-22 20:38 <Ubit> the mail module is on opensim-libs
2019-02-22 20:38 <Ubit> i mean the lib used
2019-02-22 20:38 <Ubit> it does not support most now needed auth methos or ssl/tls
2019-02-22 20:40 <Ubit> oops i did missed that osGetInventoryDesc.. but well the new one only needs name or id
2019-02-22 20:49 <osmantis> Bug #8485:04 Does not pass into some openings in the walls of imported Collada houses 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8485 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-22 21:02 <osmantis> Bug #8490:04 About big size. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8490 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-22 21:05 <Ubit> oops MB and Mel where talking about snmp not email :p
2019-02-22 21:12 <Ubit> Languages: 
2019-02-22 21:12 <Ubit>  English 
2019-02-22 21:12 <Ubit> string osGetInventoryDescriptionc(string itemName_or_itemId) ?? whats the DJ ?
2019-02-22 21:14 <Ubit> (fixed)
2019-02-22 21:29 <Ubit> changed http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsGetInventoryLastOwner
2019-02-22 21:34 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsGetLastChangedEventKey
2019-02-22 21:57 <djphil> What about osGetInventoryDescription ?
2019-02-22 22:09 <Ubit> it is dif from the ll onw
2019-02-22 22:09 <Ubit> and one
2019-02-22 22:13 <djphil> yesterday i ask why not just improve osGetInventoryDesc
2019-02-22 22:14 <Ubit> well the now one is a improvement :p
2019-02-22 22:14 <djphil> yes sure
2019-02-22 22:14 <djphil> but with a new name
2019-02-22 22:15 <djphil> name "osInventoryDesc" already exist
2019-02-22 22:15 <djphil> "osInventoryDescription" is a new name
2019-02-22 22:17 <djphil> I thought maybe you had not seen01 "osInventoryDesc01"  ...
2019-02-22 22:17 <Ubit> yeap i didn't see it
2019-02-22 22:17 <djphil> hehe :)
2019-02-22 22:18 <djphil> i better to change i think :p
2019-02-22 22:18 <djphil> but you are the boss :p
2019-02-22 22:19 <Ubit> look more like a slave :p
2019-02-22 22:19 <djphil> :|
2019-02-22 22:30 <djphil> ty sir :)
2019-02-22 22:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #6212 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-22 22:32 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsGetInventoryDesc
2019-02-22 22:34 <djphil> i have no power to remove OsGetInventoryDesciption
2019-02-22 22:34 <Ubit> donw
2019-02-22 22:34 <Ubit> done
2019-02-22 22:34 <Ubit> i hope
2019-02-22 22:35 <djphil> until next :)
2019-02-22 22:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6212: SUCCESS in 7 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6212/
2019-02-22 22:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove redundant osInventoryDescription() and improve osInventoryDesc() to do the same
2019-02-22 22:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #6213 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-22 22:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6213: SUCCESS in 5 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6213/
2019-02-22 22:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update script sintaxe
2019-02-23 07:34 <ivo34> hello I am trying to set an opensim installation from an .sql file... do I need the oar file in order to get it running?
2019-02-23 07:36 <ivo34> I first created the database in mysql then used this command to fill it: sudo mysql -u User -p MySim < MySim.sql
2019-02-23 07:37 <ivo34> i can see there are tables in the database from phpmyadmin
2019-02-23 07:37 <ivo34> I set the configinclude common ini file to use the mysql system
2019-02-23 07:37 <ivo34> to switch from sqlite
2019-02-23 07:38 <ivo34> when I run opensim exe I can see the line where it says it is using mysql
2019-02-23 07:38 <ivo34> there are no errors in the console
2019-02-23 07:38 <ivo34> though..
2019-02-23 07:39 <ivo34> I can use the old admin user to login but I only get to the default round little island
2019-02-23 07:39 <Ubit> better use a oar, it may contain things not the the .sql
2019-02-23 07:39 <ivo34> it is annoying
2019-02-23 07:55 <ivo34> might it be the region name?
2019-02-23 07:55 <ivo34> I changed the name for the new installation
2019-02-23 07:55 <Ubit> id is the main identifier
2019-02-23 14:01 <osmantis> Bug #8485:04 Does not pass into some openings in the walls of imported Collada houses 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8485 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-23 15:50 <osmantis> Bug #8485:04 Does not pass into some openings in the walls of imported Collada houses 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8485 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-23 22:08 <osmantis> Bug #8485:04 Does not pass into some openings in the walls of imported Collada houses 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8485 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-24 07:27 <Ubit> oops returns "" if error 
2019-02-24 07:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #6214 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-24 07:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6214: SUCCESS in 6 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6214/
2019-02-24 07:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: several changes to llHttpRequest processing: options section renamed ScriptsHttpRequestModule; throttle by prim (PrimRequestsBurst = 3, PrimRequestsPerSec = 1) and max concurrent connections per instance (MaxPoolThreads = 5), llhttprequest returns  if error, nullkey if throttled, reqid otherwise
2019-02-24 09:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #6215 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-24 10:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6215: SUCCESS in 21 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6215/
2019-02-24 10:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: also throttle llhttprequest by owner, options: PrimOwnerRequestsBurst = 5, PrimOwnerRequestsPerSec = 25; increase concurrency to 8
2019-02-24 10:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #6216 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-24 10:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6216: SUCCESS in 20 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6216/
2019-02-24 10:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make the options visible on OpenSimDefaults
2019-02-25 11:46 <osmantis> Bug #8259:04 Presence in Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8259 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-02-25 15:15 <osmantis> Bug #5324:04 brackets should not be necessary around if ... else clause 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5324 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2019-02-25 15:23 <Tampa> There has been a ticket about implementing abuse reports for years now, while I don't see what point there would be to add these, doing so via an xmlrpc request outward to a webroot should be easy no?
2019-02-25 15:26 <osmantis> Bug #5487:04 Physical Prims cannot be set Phantom 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5487 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2019-02-25 15:29 <osmantis> Bug #5493:04 Inconsistent Behavior 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5493 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-25 15:31 <osmantis> Bug #6043:04 Smart network detection 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6043 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008227.
2019-02-25 15:31 <osmantis> Bug #8227:04 SYSTEMIP does not work correctly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8227 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006043.
2019-02-25 15:33 <osmantis> Bug #6046:04 seamless migration of password hash & salt from md5 to sha-512 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6046 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2019-02-25 15:40 <osmantis> Bug #6138:04 function to evacuate one or more regions from the console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6138 ): has been ACKNOWLEDGED.
2019-02-25 15:44 <osmantis> Bug #6203:04 opensim create region command provides default values it should know to be invalid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6203 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-25 15:49 <osmantis> Bug #6622:04 Attachment point gets lost after rezzing on the ground 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6622 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-25 15:51 <Tampa> Still so much red
2019-02-25 15:53 <osmantis> Bug #6829:04 BulletSim: terrain load of pinhead island is rough and bumpy 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6829 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-25 15:59 <osmantis> Bug #7083:04 Consistent Out of Memory crash after a few hours - even without user activity 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7083 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-25 17:21 <Ubit> will that ever be cleaned? :)
2019-02-25 17:25 <Tampa> Don't look at me, my C# is as poor as my latin xD
2019-02-25 17:27 <Tampa> lol even Plugh just runs off, traitor xD
2019-02-25 17:28 <Tampa> No deserting!
2019-02-25 17:28 <Ubit> :)
2019-02-25 17:34 <osmantis> Bug #5324:04 brackets should not be necessary around if ... else clause 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5324 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-25 18:13 <osmantis> Bug #5324:04 brackets should not be necessary around if ... else clause 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5324 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-25 18:16 <Tampa> Just adding that for clarity :)
2019-02-25 18:24 <Plugh> I'd be inclined not to fix it. 
2019-02-25 18:25 <Plugh> There are enough bad scripts out there. Force people to add the occasional { } pair to clearly match up an else with the appropriate if. :)
2019-02-25 18:35 <AliciaRaven> also makes it more confusing for people new to scripting
2019-02-25 18:37 <Tampa> I'm torn as to what is right and what is wrong there, compiles on Y, fails on X, but does it nest properly, should it nest properly... what is the correct approach
2019-02-25 18:37 <Ubit> i don't use {} on single simple if else statements
2019-02-25 18:37 <Ubit> but always on chains like that
2019-02-25 18:38 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2019-02-25 18:38 <Ubit> otherwise code is unreadable
2019-02-25 18:38 <Plugh> In the example in the mantis, if the second else isn't there the intended matching of else and if is unclear.
2019-02-25 18:39 <Ubit> some code analises programs want to force {} on all if statements
2019-02-25 18:39 <Ubit> they cry on all my code :)
2019-02-25 18:39 <Plugh> They would cry on some of mine too.
2019-02-25 18:39 <Tampa> I don't think I ever not use brackets
2019-02-25 18:40 <Tampa> But also run into scripts fail because too many bits
2019-02-25 18:40 <Ubit> i dont on simple
2019-02-25 18:40 <Ubit> if () statement;
2019-02-25 18:40 <Ubit> else statement;
2019-02-25 18:40 <Ubit> that i don't right like that :p
2019-02-25 18:41 <Ubit> but
2019-02-25 18:41 <Ubit> if()
2019-02-25 18:41 <Ubit>     statemeent;
2019-02-25 18:41 <Ubit> write .. not right :p
2019-02-25 18:42 <Ubit> ie
2019-02-25 18:42 <Ubit> if()
2019-02-25 18:42 <Ubit>     statement;
2019-02-25 18:42 <Ubit> else
2019-02-25 18:42 <Ubit>     statement;
2019-02-25 18:42 <Ubit> thats my code style :)
2019-02-25 18:42 <Ubit> if more than one statement {} of course
2019-02-25 18:43 <Tampa> At least it ain't } else {, can't handle that for some reason
2019-02-25 18:44 <Ubit> the use of () is also relevant specially on X
2019-02-25 18:44 <Ubit> we should also avoid letting compilers guess
2019-02-25 18:44 <Ubit> and use them to force OUR evaluation order
2019-02-25 18:45 <Ubit> ( and c# as ha few traps )
2019-02-25 18:45 <Tampa> Wouldn't want the compiler to get a gambling addiction...
2019-02-25 18:46 <Plugh> Ubit, on the OpenSim users ML you said -> Yengine does have a "enhanced" LSL mode
2019-02-25 18:46 <Ubit> yes
2019-02-25 18:46 <Plugh> What did you mean by the "enhanced LSL mode" part of that sentence?
2019-02-25 18:47 <Ubit> should i kick you now?
2019-02-25 18:47 <Plugh> It may be the word "mode" that may be altering your intended meaning.
2019-02-25 18:47 <Ubit> i did even shown you the original xmr extensions page :p
2019-02-25 18:47 <Plugh> yes, but we aren't supposed to be talking about them.
2019-02-25 18:47 <Ubit> remember ?
2019-02-25 18:48 <Ubit> yes thats the part "cleanup" before document
2019-02-25 18:48 <Plugh> I know about them. Last time I made a mention of them you went after me for saying something about them.
2019-02-25 18:48 <Ubit> i sai dnothing about the details
2019-02-25 18:49 <Ubit> but it will have some of it
2019-02-25 18:49 <Ubit> so guess i said basicly what i told you.. :)
2019-02-25 18:49 <Tampa> #conspiracy
2019-02-25 18:50 <Ubit> no public details still
2019-02-25 18:50 <Plugh> I was asking the question as someone I work with wasn't sure what you were referring to in that statement.
2019-02-25 18:50 <Ubit> ( well the code is public .. no more details than that lol )
2019-02-25 18:51 <Ubit> ok
2019-02-25 18:51 <Ubit> well we do need to look to that cleanup process again
2019-02-25 18:52 <Ubit> what makes sense.. what is sustainable.. etc
2019-02-25 18:53 <Tampa> Meanwhile, kicking around non-phantom balls because Bullet doesn't like physical and phantom at the same time
2019-02-25 18:54 <Tampa> It won't go into my brain how that is supposed to be a bug, but apparently it is
2019-02-25 18:55 <Ubit> in old days those where kinda exclusive
2019-02-25 18:55 <Ubit> but now a phantom can be physical also
2019-02-25 18:55 <Ubit> and does collide with land ( at least )
2019-02-25 18:55 <Tampa> Good grief if that wasn't the case, what fun that would be
2019-02-25 18:56 <Ubit> well a very old now .. :)
2019-02-25 18:57 <Ubit> mb happened +- when sl introduced physics types none specially
2019-02-25 18:58 <Tampa> Well either way it is now a bug which has two ways out, either handle phantom rejection properly to remove the flag from the build menu or add handling of the double state properly
2019-02-25 18:58 <Tampa> At the moment neither is the case which just confuses everyone
2019-02-25 19:00 <BillBlight> It only confuses people who don't care to learn anything, and I don't think it is the purpose of this project to be on Idiot Patrol
2019-02-25 19:02 <Tampa> I tend to agree, still wondering what best course of action is, not sure if misterblue intends to fix this at some point or not
2019-02-25 19:04 <misterblue> I don't have any plans to work on BulletSim... is it a lot of hacking or just some status returning changes?
2019-02-25 19:06 <Tampa> Set a prim to physical and phantom, the phantom part won't work, so either fixing that or making sure the prim can't be set to phantom when physical already
2019-02-25 19:07 <Tampa> Could also not touch it at all to possibly avoid breaking asset definitions when switching engines, but... meh just reporting findings up to you
2019-02-25 19:08 <misterblue> physical and phantom means gravity effects it but nothing can collide with it?
2019-02-25 19:08 <Tampa> yes
2019-02-25 19:08 <BillBlight> I have used physical phantom in ubODE for well over a year now, why is this suddenly and issue ...  They are different engines, they are not trying to be each other..
2019-02-25 19:08 <BillBlight> it collides with ground only
2019-02-25 19:12 <BillBlight> I look at it this way, BulletSim has great uses, ubODE has great uses, if they were exactly the same why have both anyway
2019-02-25 19:16 <Tampa> Let's assume no change made. Question is then, reject phantom when physical or allow setting of both despite them not working "as expected" in order to not break asset definitions. That is the current state as it is now. Should that stay the same or possibly add a phantom-rejection under Bullet for all non-locked permissible prims so the flags properly reflect behavior. It becomes a question of compatibility when switching engines and 
2019-02-25 19:16 <Tampa> what is more important, not breaking asset data or accurately reflecting flag-based behavior.
2019-02-25 19:17 <BillBlight> I'm not even really sure we can deactivate that check box from the server side, but don't quote me on that ..
2019-02-25 19:19 <Tampa> If allowing both physical and phantom is not something that will go into bullet then I guess I'd vote for keeping it as is currently as to not break asset definitions when switching engines. If this is to be fixed for bullet that whole argument falls flat anyhow.
2019-02-25 19:21 <BillBlight> it also falls flat if we cannot even control the avaiability of that check box from the server anyway
2019-02-25 19:22 <BillBlight> Since SL allows physical Phantom, I doubt there is a function in the viewers to allow diabling that checkbox
2019-02-25 19:23 <Tampa> But closing and opening the build menu should retrieve the prim data again, which could show the flag removed
2019-02-25 19:24 <BillBlight> but there are cases when you both of them on even in bullet, you have something that is physical, and you want to via script to make it phantom, you simply turn off physics it stays phantom, rather than changing two flags ..
2019-02-25 19:26 <Tampa> That's the compatibility argument of whether to accurately reflect engine capability or avoid breaking expected behaviors.
2019-02-25 19:26 <BillBlight> what is expected behavior, they are two different engines
2019-02-25 19:26 <BillBlight> one does it one way, one does it the other
2019-02-25 19:27 <BillBlight> People need to stop trying to make one physics engines behave like the other
2019-02-25 19:29 <BillBlight> The reason there is two engines is because the behavior is different, each suited to their own needs
2019-02-25 19:29 <BillBlight> well more than two
2019-02-25 19:29 <Tampa> You forget that a lot of folks base the expected behavior off the SL wiki pages and so report unusual behavior as bugs. Bullet having the caveat of not supporting both physical and phantom is, currently, intended behavior so a caveat on its part. It's less about aligning the two engines and more whether this is a bug or not and if not, how to handle it properly.
2019-02-25 19:30 <BillBlight> and the check box thing, Bullet has been like that forever, so if people are that slow on the uptake then they need to fire up a few more brain cells and maybe get to double digit IQ points
2019-02-25 19:31 <Tampa> Calm, breath, the ticket was a fairly old one I dug up while cleaning mantis
2019-02-25 19:31 <Tampa> It appears widely accepted that this caveat is the way it is in OpenSim
2019-02-25 19:31 <Tampa> I at least remember it this way
2019-02-25 19:32 <Tampa> The fact ubode supports the usecase similar to SL is a nice thing to have, but it raises the question regardless
2019-02-25 19:32 <BillBlight> I'm just against "Idiot Proofing" in general
2019-02-25 19:33 <Tampa> That's why I set the ticket to confirmed and clarified the current status so it would get looked at and a final decision made on what to do in this case
2019-02-25 19:34 <BillBlight> personally I think it should be resolved as "Won't fix" but we need a new option "Stupid Question"
2019-02-25 19:34 <misterblue> since BulletSim is not working like SL or ubODE for physical/phantom, best to change it into a bug report on BulletSim
2019-02-25 19:35 <Tampa> It currently sits as confirmed bug in mantis
2019-02-25 19:35 <BillBlight> SL has been like that forever so making it a bug now after so many years just seems like, "idiot support" to me .. But alas I guess I don't have a dog in this fight anyway
2019-02-25 19:36 <misterblue> it should just be a bug against BulletSim... to be fixed someday
2019-02-25 19:36 <Ubit> actually thing they did changed phantom when they added physics type
2019-02-25 19:36 <Ubit> i do remember phatom beeing == none... but my memory is known to fail ;)
2019-02-25 19:37 <Tampa> Someday, yeah, I mean if it gets fixed in less time than that ticket has been open for lol
2019-02-25 19:37 <Tampa> It's less idiot support more clarification of bug or caveat
2019-02-25 19:38 <Ubit> hmm also don't remember what old ode does on that :)
2019-02-25 19:38 <Tampa> I'm fine with either, I'm just trying to clear out mantis so these things are actually visible rather than buried under a mountain of nuk asking for why mesh no worky xD
2019-02-25 19:39 <BillBlight> Nuk is the very reason we need Resolved -->Stupid Question
2019-02-25 19:39 <BillBlight> :P
2019-02-25 19:39 <Tampa> I thought that was won't fix
2019-02-25 19:40 <BillBlight> yeah but that makes core making the decision, not the fact that the question was inane, stupid and uneducated.
2019-02-25 19:41 <BillBlight> Maybe we need a Resolved --> Education Issue
2019-02-25 19:41 <Tampa> User Error, would probably sound a bit less rude nonetheless true
2019-02-25 19:43 <BillBlight> User Error might get the point across , that really should be added to the resolved options
2019-02-25 19:43 <BillBlight> Won't fix, makes it sound like, yeah the user is right but not going to fix it anyway.
2019-02-25 19:44 <BillBlight> The only other option is to immediately close stupid questions so they don't pollute the active list
2019-02-25 19:45 <Tampa> Yeah, but that just makes the more determined or angry it seems
2019-02-25 20:02 <BillBlight> they can be as angry as they want not gonna make a diff
2019-02-25 20:03 <BillBlight> that just quicker points out the problem children in my book
2019-02-25 21:47 <Ubit> 
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2019-02-25 21:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #6217 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-25 21:52 <Ubit> Region (root) # stats show clientstack
2019-02-25 21:52 <Ubit> last line...
2019-02-25 21:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6217: SUCCESS in 7 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6217/
2019-02-25 21:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change UDPPacketBuffer pools (does waste a bit of memory)
2019-02-25 21:55 <Ubit> that only shows the ones free to reuse, not total flying around..
2019-02-25 22:00 <Melanie_> Ubit: ping
2019-02-25 22:04 <Melanie_> 
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2019-02-25 22:21 <Melanie_> 
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2019-02-25 22:30 <Ubit> oops
2019-02-25 22:30 <Melanie_> the code you removed today was related to inefficiencies in the boehm GC
2019-02-25 22:30 <Melanie_> o good riddance
2019-02-25 22:30 <Ubit> i know
2019-02-25 22:30 <Melanie_> so*
2019-02-25 22:30 <Ubit> i did replace
2019-02-25 22:30 <Ubit> not remove
2019-02-25 22:31 <Ubit> and actually extended
2019-02-25 22:31 <Melanie_> but i wonder why you removed the multiline comment explaining the prio values
2019-02-25 22:31 <Ubit> i did ?
2019-02-25 22:31 <Melanie_> doesn't seem to make sense to remove an explanatory comment
2019-02-25 22:31 <Ubit> ill look for it and recover
2019-02-25 22:31 <Melanie_> -            /*
2019-02-25 22:31 <Melanie_> -             * Land = 1,
2019-02-25 22:31 <Melanie_> -        /// <summary>Wind data</summary>
2019-02-25 22:31 <Melanie_> -        Wind = 2,
2019-02-25 22:31 <Melanie_> -        /// <summary>Cloud data</summary>
2019-02-25 22:31 <Melanie_> -        Cloud = 3,
2019-02-25 22:31 <Melanie_> -        /// <summary>Any packets that do not fit into the other throttles</summary>
2019-02-25 22:31 <Melanie_> -        Task = 4,
2019-02-25 22:31 <Melanie_> -        /// <summary>Texture assets</summary>
2019-02-25 22:31 <Melanie_> -        Texture = 5,
2019-02-25 22:31 <Melanie_> -        /// <summary>Non-texture assets</summary>
2019-02-25 22:31 <Melanie_> -        Asset = 6,
2019-02-25 22:31 <Melanie_> -             */
2019-02-25 22:31 <Melanie_> -
2019-02-25 22:32 <Melanie_> you killed that explanatory comment
2019-02-25 22:32 <Ubit> ell that used to be more than a comment
2019-02-25 22:34 <Ubit> and not entire correct
2019-02-25 22:34 <AliciaRaven> i just started to use <summary> tags, they looked messy but when u in another file the hovertip in VS can be very helpful
2019-02-25 22:35 <Ubit> mel same info on    public enum ThrottleOutPacketType : int
2019-02-25 22:35 <Ubit> ok ?
2019-02-25 22:35 <Ubit> ...\OpenSim\Framework\ThrottleOutPacketType.cs
2019-02-25 22:36 <Melanie_> it doesn't hurt to have it in more than one place. saves a lookup
2019-02-25 22:36 <Ubit> and about the gc pressure, i hope i did reduce it
2019-02-25 22:36 <Melanie_> i know F12 is great - but having it right there is greater ;)
2019-02-25 22:36 <Melanie_> we're just not in the business of comment removal
2019-02-25 22:36 <Melanie_> unless said comment is no longer true
2019-02-25 22:37 <Ubit> that we means you at most :p
2019-02-25 22:37 <Melanie_> well, boehm is a simple beast
2019-02-25 22:37 <Melanie_> sgen handles small allocations/deallocations much better
2019-02-25 22:37 <Ubit> you do remember mono 5 is minimal req now right ?
2019-02-25 22:37 <Melanie_> Ubit: we means all that came before you
2019-02-25 22:37 <Melanie_> that includes me but also people who really laid down these rules
2019-02-25 22:38 <Ubit> no such rule..  if obsolete/worng/autodated/confusing/whatever..  -> deleted
2019-02-25 22:38 <Ubit> whatever beeing bad of course :)
2019-02-25 22:40 <Ubit> and sgen or boehm.. gc is ... gc... uff
2019-02-25 22:42 <Melanie_> look at what i said
2019-02-25 22:42 <Melanie_> <Melanie_>	unless said comment is no longer true
2019-02-25 22:43 <Melanie_> that one is true though
2019-02-25 22:43 <Melanie_> and saves the beginning coder a lookup
2019-02-25 23:05 <Ubit> 
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2019-02-25 23:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #6218 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-25 23:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6218: SUCCESS in 5 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6218/
2019-02-25 23:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: removed a redundant function; try to make a particular vi coder happy about removed comments
2019-02-25 23:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #6219 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-25 23:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6219: SUCCESS in 5 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6219/
2019-02-25 23:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: zero decode using a buffer from the pool
2019-02-26 00:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #6220 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-26 00:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6220: SUCCESS in 5 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6220/
2019-02-26 00:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix UDPBuffersPoolCount value (readable with stats show clientstack
2019-02-26 01:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #6221 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-26 01:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6221: SUCCESS in 5 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6221/
2019-02-26 01:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: buffers in pool have no data, better mk that clear
2019-02-26 04:10 <jsync> Hello. I did a few searches & didn't find much, not actually. I'm curious how I can get invalid references off the Grid Map citation.
2019-02-26 04:11 <BillBlight> on your own grid, or someplace like osgrid
2019-02-26 04:11 <jsync> Like, when I build a cluster of regions within a Server instance, & then I decide that I want a couple of those regions within that server instance to actually represent those other regions within my schema, so I change the grid location of those couple of regions & then the grid map reflects where the regions are now, & the invalid references of where the regions were, how do I remove the invalid ones?
2019-02-26 04:12 <jsync> (Hello people. Been a while. :D )
2019-02-26 04:13 <BillBlight> first off make sure you do a proper shutdown, but you can make sure by removing the requsite maptiles from the matiles directy from the robust maptiles directory .. and if you happen to have one stuck in the regions table you can just remove it from the regions table
2019-02-26 04:14 <jsync> Alrighty. I'll do that, BillBlight. Thanks. :)
2019-02-26 04:14 <BillBlight> if you don't do a proper shutdown where the region gets deregistered it can get stuck in the regions table
2019-02-26 04:15 <jsync> (I kept thinking to write with a question that somebody could help me with, just to say "Hey", & I decided to get to it.)
2019-02-26 04:16 <jsync> Has anybody noted my suggestion for more CONTROL_BUTTONs? I think OpenSim should have a plugin for additional CONTROL_BUTTONs.
2019-02-26 04:17 <BillBlight> That is going to require viewer side first
2019-02-26 04:17 <BillBlight> the viewer only addresses certain keys for LSL
2019-02-26 04:18 <jsync> OpenSim should make a modulated edition of the viewer that people could make their own modules for.
2019-02-26 04:18 <jsync> Well, OpenSim devs should make a viewer team, I mean.
2019-02-26 04:19 <jsync> The viewer should be modulated, with a standard edition & the capability to include other modules for additional viewer feature functionality.
2019-02-26 04:20 <jsync> A d20 module could be made for the OpenSim Modulated viewer, for an example, that gave features for d20 RPG. A Science Grid module could be made for the OpenSim Modulated viewer that gave features for additional Periodic Table of Elements features for objects. Etc.
2019-02-26 04:21 <jsync> Then a basic Game Controller module could be made for the same viewer that had features for additional CONTROL_BUTTONs & a game controller for the viewer.
2019-02-26 04:47 <BillBlight> You get someone willing to make a viewer just for opensim and I'm betting better controls could be added, but WE DON"T HAVE AN OPENSIM ONLY VIEWER
2019-02-26 04:49 <BillBlight> This is all a fine thougt experiment but until there is a person or team that wants to dedicate the time and energy to making a Opensimulator ONLY viewer modular or not, then that is all it is vaporware.
2019-02-26 04:52 <jsync> BillBlight, there are ways to organize projects like that. I would be willing to invest quite a lot of time into a project of that importance, though if I were doing it alone, I'd just do it alone. If others were really interested in putting together a team, I, for one, would be willing to invest the time into the project.
2019-02-26 04:53 <BillBlight> I think I have told you this before, GO FOR IT ... Until it produces it is just vaporware
2019-02-26 04:54 <BillBlight> There is a lot of " I can" and "I will" in this community , and not much , "I did it"
2019-02-26 04:54 <Ubit> i did it
2019-02-26 04:54 <Ubit> :p
2019-02-26 04:54 <Ubit> 
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2019-02-26 04:54 <BillBlight> yeah we know you did it
2019-02-26 04:54 <BillBlight> 
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2019-02-26 04:54 <Ubit> damm wasn't hidding enough
2019-02-26 04:55 <jsync> Uh, well, with a team project goal for a team effort for the community needs, then something might happen.
2019-02-26 04:56 <jsync> A team of particular people with a particular team goal & work towards that would be accomplished. Even if it were a year or more in its' development, first there would need to actually be a development team devoted to the task.
2019-02-26 06:37 <BillBlight> yep and you have said a few times you coud do that, so get to it, but it's not that easy
2019-02-26 13:14 <osmantis> Bug #6597:04 [PATCH] - Adds osStringStartsWith and osStringEndsWith. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6597 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-26 13:16 <Ubit> had no idea that mantis was there :)
2019-02-26 13:17 <osmantis> Bug #6569:04 [PATCH] - Some possible updates to the combat module. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6569 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-26 13:19 <MrFrans> jsync, some initial steps where made the beginning of this year for a new OpenSim viewer.  https://github.com/opensim/opensim-viewer
2019-02-26 13:34 <osmantis> Bug #6569:04 [PATCH] - Some possible updates to the combat module. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6569 ): has been REOPENED.
2019-02-26 13:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #6222 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-26 13:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6222: SUCCESS in 7 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6222/
2019-02-26 13:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 6569: restore full health on invulnerable set to true; combat module is outdated and needs work. By then the proposal on this mantis should be reviewed
2019-02-26 13:48 <JeffKelley> Cloning an object with shift-drag moves the original object out and leaves the copy in-place. Counter-intuitive and potentially harmful. Is there something the simulator can do or is it purely a viewer thing?
2019-02-26 13:49 <Ubit> yes, but its the spec
2019-02-26 13:49 <JeffKelley> spec is bad
2019-02-26 13:49 <Ubit> the original is the one selected and moved
2019-02-26 14:10 <Tampa> It's always been like that
2019-02-26 14:12 <Ubit> must be really
2019-02-26 14:13 <Tampa> There are more pressing things to consider than that
2019-02-26 14:15 <JeffKelley> it makes me cry every time i have to copy x,y,z before cloning and restore after
2019-02-26 14:15 <Ubit> yeah, confusing, but.. is as is
2019-02-26 14:18 <Tampa> -.-
2019-02-26 14:25 <osmantis> Bug #8479:04 UseTrashOnDelete has no effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8479 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-26 15:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #6223 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-26 15:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6223: SUCCESS in 5 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6223/
2019-02-26 15:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  issues with udp buffers pool on heavy load
2019-02-26 15:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #6224 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-26 15:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6224: SUCCESS in 5 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6224/
2019-02-26 15:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid packet split on terseupdates
2019-02-26 16:16 <osmantis> Bug #8491:04 UDP remoteEP  (newest Master) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8491 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-26 16:23 <osmantis> Bug #8491:04 UDP remoteEP  (newest Master) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8491 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-26 18:59 <Ubit> meeting time...
2019-02-26 20:20 <osmantis> Bug #8491:04 UDP remoteEP  (newest Master) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8491 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-26 20:22 <osmantis> Bug #8491:04 UDP remoteEP  (newest Master) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8491 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-26 20:35 <osmantis> Bug #8492:04 Vivox Voice Module - Workign but giving [VivoxVoice] Create failed messages 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8492 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-02-26 20:41 <osmantis> Bug #8492:04 Vivox Voice Module - Workign but giving [VivoxVoice] Create failed messages 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8492 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-26 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #8492:04 Vivox Voice Module - Workign but giving [VivoxVoice] Create failed messages 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8492 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-26 20:44 <osmantis> Bug #8492:04 Vivox Voice Module - Workign but giving [VivoxVoice] Create failed messages 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8492 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-26 20:50 <osmantis> Bug #8492:04 Vivox Voice Module - Workign but giving [VivoxVoice] Create failed messages 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8492 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-02-26 20:52 <osmantis> Bug #8492:04 Vivox Voice Module - Working but giving [VivoxVoice] Create failed messages 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8492 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-02-26 20:53 <osmantis> Bug #8492:04 Vivox Voice Module - Working but giving [VivoxVoice] Create failed messages 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8492 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-02-26 22:07 <osmantis> Bug #8492:04 Vivox Voice Module - Working but giving [VivoxVoice] Create failed messages 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8492 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-27 00:56 <BillBlight> Don't forget , OpenSim Fest is this weekend, we have a booth for the project, chairs to chill in there, or you can just wander around ...  HG address: opensimfest.com  Website:https://opensimfest.org
2019-02-27 00:56 <BillBlight> Starts Friday at Noon
2019-02-27 08:05 <osmantis> Bug #8259:04 Presence in Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8259 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-27 08:53 <osmantis> Bug #8492:04 Vivox Voice Module - Working but giving [VivoxVoice] Create failed messages 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8492 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-27 09:29 <osmantis> Bug #8493:04 [HGUUIDGatherer]: NullReferenceException when gathering attachment informaton for HG visitor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8493 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-02-27 09:31 <osmantis> Bug #8493:04 [HGUUIDGatherer]: NullReferenceException when gathering attachment informaton for HG visitor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8493 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-27 09:41 <osmantis> Bug #8259:04 Presence in Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8259 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-02-27 10:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #6225 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-27 10:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6225: SUCCESS in 7 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6225/
2019-02-27 10:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: direct encode terseupdates
2019-02-27 12:11 <osmantis> Bug #8494:04 On OpenSim.exe shutdown - [LLUDPSERVER]: Error in the incoming packet handler loop: Thread was being aborted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8494 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-02-27 12:11 <osmantis> Bug #8494:04 On OpenSim.exe shutdown - [LLUDPSERVER]: Error in the incoming packet handler loop: Thread was being aborted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8494 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-02-27 12:29 <osmantis> Bug #8494:04 On OpenSim.exe shutdown - [LLUDPSERVER]: Error in the incoming packet handler loop: Thread was being aborted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8494 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-27 13:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #6226 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-27 13:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6226: SUCCESS in 5 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6226/
2019-02-27 13:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  combat module: those parcel changes are now handled elsewhere
2019-02-27 13:46 <osmantis> Bug #8494:04 On OpenSim.exe shutdown - [LLUDPSERVER]: Error in the incoming packet handler loop: Thread was being aborted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8494 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-27 14:37 <osmantis> Bug #8494:04 On OpenSim.exe shutdown - [LLUDPSERVER]: Error in the incoming packet handler loop: Thread was being aborted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8494 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-27 14:48 <misterblue> Ubit: I have been seeing these ThreadAbortExceptions when running OpenSim in the Visual Studio debugger. I know all the place to add the ResetAbort. I'll check in some fixes in a bit
2019-02-27 14:49 <Ubit> i only see one on linux, and its a log we dont need mainly
2019-02-27 14:50 <Ubit> and only on shutdown of course it a thread killed while in a concurrent trydequeue
2019-02-27 14:52 <misterblue> in VS I see it in about 5 places... mostly little loops doing a TryGet that are being shut down
2019-02-27 14:53 <misterblue> there are also some race conditions on startup that get 'missing method' exceptions but those have 'catch' workarounds
2019-02-27 14:53 <misterblue> don't know if that's bad or not 
2019-02-27 14:53 <Ubit> you have that exection enabled?
2019-02-27 14:54 <Ubit> yes its watchdog killing threads that on trydequeue
2019-02-27 14:54 <misterblue> when debugging in VS, I never know what feature is enabled... there all so many
2019-02-27 14:55 <misterblue> I figure killing the threads is the right thing... being shutdown after all
2019-02-27 14:56 <misterblue> the code is doing the Right Thing, it's just that MS made the ThreadAbortException weird so we have to program around them
2019-02-27 15:03 <Ubit> yeap but that is beeing silent on my win
2019-02-27 15:04 <Ubit> even that log on mantis is not triggered for some reason
2019-02-27 15:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #6227 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-02-27 15:56 <osmantis> Bug #8494:04 On OpenSim.exe shutdown - [LLUDPSERVER]: Error in the incoming packet handler loop: Thread was being aborted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8494 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-27 16:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6227: SUCCESS in 5 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6227/
2019-02-27 16:00 <osjenkins> misterblue: Add Thread.ResetAbort() to various thread loops to clean up errors on
2019-02-27 17:09 <osmantis> Bug #8494:04 On OpenSim.exe shutdown - [LLUDPSERVER]: Error in the incoming packet handler loop: Thread was being aborted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8494 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-02-27 17:43 <BillBlight> right or wrong , I still think it is funny that people freak out about shown errors that really cause no issues, OMG IT IS RED TEXT THE SKY IS FALLING
2019-02-27 17:44 <BillBlight> They should go through their Linux or Windows logs sometimes and see how many errors and warnings are in them, they'd never touch a computer again ..
2019-02-27 20:04 <JeffKelley> I have -48762 scripts in my region http://86.245.199.11/scripts.png
2019-02-27 20:17 <Plugh> :)
2019-02-27 20:19 <JeffKelley> that's a lot !
2019-02-27 20:19 <osmantis> Bug #6569:04 [PATCH] - Some possible updates to the combat module. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6569 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-27 20:20 <osmantis> Bug #6569:04 [PATCH] - Some possible updates to the combat module. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6569 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-27 20:24 <osmantis> Bug #6569:04 [PATCH] - Some possible updates to the combat module. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6569 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-02-27 20:27 <osmantis> Bug #6569:04 [PATCH] - Some possible updates to the combat module. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6569 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-02-28 13:03 <LiruCookies> Hi, What's the status of HTTP Textures and the Viewer Asset cap?
2019-02-28 13:04 <LiruCookies> Because I'm about to drop support for the HTTP textures in favor of Viewer Asset cap, and I would rather not break opensim
2019-02-28 13:04 <LiruCookies> Same with mesh cap
2019-02-28 13:04 <Ubit> asset cap is there but currently disabled because FS at at least uses a global url
2019-02-28 13:04 <LiruCookies> mesh and textures move to ViewerAsset cap
2019-02-28 13:04 <LiruCookies> A global url?
2019-02-28 13:05 <LiruCookies> We get that from the region
2019-02-28 13:05 <LiruCookies> They should NOT be doing that
2019-02-28 13:05 <Ubit> yes the first cap it gets, not current region
2019-02-28 13:05 <LiruCookies> Well that's wrong!
2019-02-28 13:05 <Ubit> yeah i know
2019-02-28 13:05 <Ubit> i ddi had it running and was a mess :(
2019-02-28 13:06 <Ubit> ppl crying all over bc broken dances if they did log in lbsa
2019-02-28 13:06 <Ubit> for example
2019-02-28 13:06 <Ubit> or sits etc etc
2019-02-28 13:06 <LiruCookies> We won't be doing that, please set it so "ViewerAsset" returns the same as "GetMesh" and "GetTexture"
2019-02-28 13:07 <LiruCookies> Which now need to be the same URL, apologies if that screws things up
2019-02-28 13:07 <Ubit> it does the work of all of those if enabled
2019-02-28 13:07 <Ubit> but until fs as is right i can't 
2019-02-28 13:07 <Ubit> 2 many ppl using fs 
2019-02-28 13:08 <LiruCookies> ughhhh
2019-02-28 13:08 <Ubit> well i didn't test 6.0.2
2019-02-28 13:08 <Ubit> but since that issue does not matter at sl.. well
2019-02-28 13:08 <LiruCookies> SL is about to turn off UDP assets, so I'm frenzying
2019-02-28 13:09 <Ubit> yes i know, sure opensim viewers need to keep those... 2 many 0.8 grids that will never upgrade 
2019-02-28 13:09 <Ubit> well i did made the code the low level handler is assets one
2019-02-28 13:10 <Ubit> but have the cap commented out
2019-02-28 13:10 <LiruCookies> I'll write a fallback
2019-02-28 13:10 <Ubit> bc i know how opensim users are, comented in code also :(
2019-02-28 13:11 <Tampa> May not always agree with Bill, but on that, if they don't want to then they can die out, there really is no point in keeping back so long and cause such hindrance for those who upgrade regularly. If we constantly pander to these people things will never improve.
2019-02-28 13:11 <Tampa> Backwards compatibility is only so good as to not kill innovation
2019-02-28 13:12 <Ubit> liru if you want to play with it, you change and compile opensim
2019-02-28 13:12 <Ubit> so you can test it
2019-02-28 13:13 <Ubit> OpenSim\Region\ClientStack\Linden\Caps\GetAssetsModule.cs
2019-02-28 13:14 <Ubit> commented things as private string m_GetAssetURL;
2019-02-28 13:14 <Ubit> ../* we can't support this cap. Current viewers connect to the wrong regions.
2019-02-28 13:14 <Ubit> also add it to the list on opensimdefaults
2019-02-28 13:14 <LiruCookies> I'm in too much of a rush to test that, I will make sure that it's dynamic though
2019-02-28 13:15 <LiruCookies> And if it's not upstream, I will contact FS.
2019-02-28 13:15 <Ubit> ok
2019-02-28 13:15 <LiruCookies> const std::string mesh_cap(gAgent.getRegion()->getViewerAssetUrl()); mGetMeshCapability = !mesh_cap.empty() ? mesh_cap : gAgent.getRegion()->getCapability("GetMesh2"); 
2019-02-28 13:15 <LiruCookies> I already backwardsed one
2019-02-28 13:16 <Ubit> cool
2019-02-28 13:16 <Ubit> btw remember the HG issue ?
2019-02-28 13:16 <Ubit> decision about what is local region takes a bit on teleports
2019-02-28 13:17 <Ubit> so viewers to ask things to the wrong region 
2019-02-28 13:17 <Ubit> ie ask to the start region, not destination
2019-02-28 13:17 <Ubit> thats the old displaynames issues
2019-02-28 13:18 <Ubit> also on npcs in local grid tps, or dynamic textures
2019-02-28 13:18 <Ubit> its a timming issue it seems
2019-02-28 13:18 <Ubit> see what i mean ?
2019-02-28 13:18 <Tampa> Slow down, don't unload all issues at once xD
2019-02-28 13:18 <Tampa> One thing at a time
2019-02-28 13:19 <Ubit> well assets cap is not a liru issue already done right :)
2019-02-28 13:22 <Ubit> hmm liru that code you paste above seems confusing
2019-02-28 13:22 <Ubit> viewerasset if present will do all
2019-02-28 13:23 <Ubit> if not mesh2 should not have preference over mesh?
2019-02-28 13:24 <LiruCookies> Mesh2 has precedence over Mesh, yes, Mesh2 is more recent Mesh
2019-02-28 13:24 <Ubit> ok
2019-02-28 13:59 <LiruCookies> I found it, do you have an FS JIRA open?
2019-02-28 14:00 <LiruCookies> @Ubit?
2019-02-28 14:00 <Ubit> don't remeber, i did a few ages ago
2019-02-28 14:00 <Ubit> got kicked, so gave up :)
2019-02-28 14:03 <Ubit> anasariel (?) is (not)funny, think now told to not touch opensim related issues, but guess he/she can't resist trying to humiliate opensim
2019-02-28 14:04 <Tampa> Just ignore that whole deal, if they really didn't want to support it they would kill their OS versions entirely
2019-02-28 14:06 <Ubit> well fs official position is to support opensim
2019-02-28 14:19 <LiruCookies> https://jira.phoenixviewer.com/browse/FIRE-23657
2019-02-28 14:20 <LiruCookies> Everyone vote for this please
2019-02-28 14:20 <LiruCookies> I fix~
2019-02-28 14:21 <LiruCookies> Oh shit.. uhhm, how do I get in contact with kokua
2019-02-28 14:21 <LiruCookies> NickyP: ping
2019-02-28 14:21 <Tampa> Try to word that a bit less condescending just in case, comes across a bit rude
2019-02-28 14:22 <Tampa> Upvoted, let's hope it helps
2019-02-28 14:31 <Ubit> not sure gavin is also on kokua but is also on derivative of it err forgot the name :)
2019-02-28 14:31 <Ubit> daySomething ?
2019-02-28 14:32 <Tampa> Dayturn
2019-02-28 14:32 <Ubit> ty
2019-02-28 16:11 <LiruCookies> It's been noticed~ It's now Major priority
2019-02-28 16:12 <Ubit> yeap and assigned to Beq
2019-02-28 16:13 <Tampa> Now if only the same treatment could be given to that darn shader bug
2019-02-28 16:13 <LiruCookies> What shader bug?
2019-02-28 16:13 <Ubit> what? the underwater ?
2019-02-28 16:14 <LiruCookies> Also shader bugs overall are hard to address because very few developers fully understand the graphics stuff in the viewer.
2019-02-28 16:14 <Tampa> Yes the underwater thing
2019-02-28 16:14 <Ubit> well dont remember what singu does, but fs if z <0 messes light
2019-02-28 16:14 <Tampa> Shader below 0 meters turns into thick blue, have to turn basic shaders off to get light
2019-02-28 16:14 <Ubit> and i was forced to allow terrain < 0
2019-02-28 16:15 <Tampa> "forced" lol
2019-02-28 16:15 <Ubit> yeap :)
2019-02-28 16:15 <Ubit> i didn't want it :)
2019-02-28 16:15 <Tampa> That was mild persistence you haven't seen me try to force something
2019-02-28 16:15 <Tampa> xD
2019-02-28 16:15 <Ubit> i have extra resistence to your forcing :p
2019-02-28 16:16 <Ubit> and on that was more than one, and a few broken regions
2019-02-28 16:16 <LiruCookies> I'd like if you'd test in Singu, because Shyotl actually knows how to graphics, so our render engine is somewhat different
2019-02-28 16:16 <Ubit> guess it just needs to keep the z= 1m light under that
2019-02-28 16:17 <Tampa> Lemme grab an up to date version I have not used Singu in years
2019-02-28 16:17 <LiruCookies> Whaat platform?
2019-02-28 16:17 <Ubit> btw only on advanced light, of course
2019-02-28 16:17 <LiruCookies> We have more up to date builds not on the alpha
2019-02-28 16:17 <LiruCookies> site
2019-02-28 16:18 <Ubit> your are pushing singu again ?
2019-02-28 16:18 <Ubit> ie updating etc..
2019-02-28 16:19 <Tampa> I'd love to provide a mirror Sourceforge just makes my adblocker scream
2019-02-28 16:20 <LiruCookies> We've been constantly updating Singu, our build system has just been down
2019-02-28 16:21 <Ubit> good to know :)
2019-02-28 16:21 <LiruCookies> We're actually replacing our build system soon, we'll use it to deploy the emergency ViewerAssets release most likely
2019-02-28 16:22 <LiruCookies> Hm, I guess we have to make a mac release for that too...
2019-02-28 16:22 <Ubit> sl is about to kill udp ?
2019-02-28 16:22 <Ubit> or already did ??
2019-02-28 16:23 <LiruCookies> They almost did today
2019-02-28 16:23 <LiruCookies> Or this week
2019-02-28 16:23 <LiruCookies> But decided not to
2019-02-28 16:23 <Ubit> last time i check they where still using it on some assets
2019-02-28 16:23 <Ubit> well thats something i don't mind out of lludp
2019-02-28 16:23 <LiruCookies> We've been background working on getting Mac working again, it's not ready for primetime, but if UDP goes away, we need to.
2019-02-28 16:25 <Tampa> Here is a request, make the password field accept more than 16 chars
2019-02-28 16:26 <Ubit> well if you need to test on opensim, the code changes are as i said, or we can beg dan or bill or someone to set a test region
2019-02-28 16:26 <LiruCookies> Hmmm
2019-02-28 16:26 <LiruCookies> On Non-SL grids?
2019-02-28 16:26 <LiruCookies> Okay, fine.
2019-02-28 16:27 <Tampa> OpenSim has no limit to length technically, I tend to use min 20 chars, recently managed to get others to adopt a max of 24
2019-02-28 16:27 <Tampa> Something along those lines
2019-02-28 16:27 <LiruCookies> I'm gonna cap it at 24
2019-02-28 16:27 <LiruCookies> Okay?
2019-02-28 16:28 <Ubit> bc i can't make it on core now
2019-02-28 16:28 <Ubit> i could only let it out of opensimdefaults, but then someone will activate it and then complain :)
2019-02-28 16:29 <Tampa> It's easy enough to change if you know where, but having to change it each reinstall is pain hehe
2019-02-28 16:29 <Tampa> Yeah that should do
2019-02-28 16:29 <Ubit> gezz who has memory for 16char passwords??
2019-02-28 16:30 <Tampa> Keepass does
2019-02-28 16:30 <Tampa> I only remember the passphrase for the database
2019-02-28 18:50 <BillBlight> As paranoid as you are Tampa i'm surprised you use a password manager
2019-02-28 18:50 <BillBlight> https://www.komando.com/happening-now/547660/hackers-find-security-flaws-in-5-popular-password-managers-are-you-safe
2019-02-28 18:50 <BillBlight> This new research proves just that. According to new information published by Independent Security Evaluators (ISE), at least five popular password managers, including 1Password, Dashlane, KeePass and LastPass, could potentially leak unencrypted credentials and passwords while they're running in the background.
2019-02-28 18:51 <LiruCookies> Paranoid people should definitely spin their own password manager
2019-02-28 19:03 <BillBlight> yeah does not matter how long or complicated your password is , if it gets leaked ...
2019-02-28 20:19 <Tampa> I don't use a password manager for the security of the specific password, mainly so they are not all the same so when one site gets their db leaked I don't have to change all of them. Also, Spectre and the other memory exploits require system access in the first place and at that point nothing is safe anymore.
2019-02-28 20:26 <BillBlight> A spreadsheet in a secure location would do that, but, would make you have to actually go get it ..
2019-02-28 20:28 <Tampa> excel takes to long to boot up though xD
2019-02-28 20:28 <BillBlight> I don't use excel I use open office, and it takes about 5 seconds
2019-02-28 20:29 <Tampa> Weird flex but okay
2019-02-28 20:30 <BillBlight> Not a flex , pointing out that in reality you use KeePass because you are lazy ...  :P
2019-02-28 20:30 <Tampa> Too lazy to remember 200 passwords
2019-02-28 20:31 <BillBlight> I have a spreadsheet with about 900 passwords on it and my lazy ass is not too lazy to look them up
2019-02-28 20:33 <Tampa> And so now I should do that same or? Why is that even such a big deal in the first place. I happen to believe in entropy over complexity and find that a password should have a certain length these days. The fact I push for this to be integrated into viewers because I believe the option should on the user rather than enforced by software is a bad idea or how should I understand that?
2019-02-28 20:34 <BillBlight> well it's fine that you think that, but even the guy than ivented and pushed long complicated passwords says they don't really do any good these days ..  
2019-02-28 20:35 <BillBlight> https://gizmodo.com/the-guy-who-invented-those-annoying-password-rules-now-1797643987
2019-02-28 20:36 <BillBlight> but I do understand what you say about Entropy 
2019-02-28 20:36 <BillBlight> Sadly, Tampa, the reason I usually push back against what you say, is the way you word things, you tend to come across like your way is the best way, and everyone should do it your way ..
2019-02-28 20:37 <Tampa> That's something you and I have in common lol
2019-02-28 20:37 <BillBlight> If you say so
2019-02-28 20:42 <Tampa> Hm this is odd
2019-02-28 20:42 <Tampa> So panel_login on FS has 16 char max length set, but I can login just fine
2019-02-28 20:42 <Tampa> They must be overriding max length down the line or something
2019-02-28 21:27 <LiruCookies> Yeah, we clamp it in code
2019-02-28 21:27 <LiruCookies> Because a password over 16 doesn't actually exist on LL's grid
2019-02-28 21:28 <LiruCookies> So if they think their password is PasswordPassword1 it's actually PasswordPassword
2019-02-28 21:29 <JeffKelley> Interested in Error #9999902 ?
2019-02-28 21:29 <LiruCookies> What I did was enable passwords of up to 24 characters if OpenSim grids are selected.
2019-02-28 21:37 <osmantis> Bug #8122:04 NonFinite Avatar position detected error #9999902 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8122 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0005237.
2019-02-28 21:37 <osmantis> Bug #5237:04 [AVATAR]: NonFinite Avatar position detected... Reset Position. Mantis this please. Error #9999902 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5237 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008122.
2019-02-28 21:37 <osmantis> Bug #8122:04 NonFinite Avatar position detected error #9999902 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8122 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0004362.
2019-02-28 21:37 <osmantis> Bug #4362:04 Avatar Position is non-finite! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4362 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008122.
2019-02-28 21:44 <Tampa> I have not encountered that error before, well I might, but this just seems like a random failure, possibly something with ordering again
2019-02-28 21:46 <Tampa> 3 whole tickets though, *someone* should take at least a look at it
2019-02-28 21:46 <Tampa> cough Ubit cough
2019-02-28 21:47 <JeffKelley> random failure ? https://pastebin.com/SAB3Fbtx
2019-02-28 21:48 <Tampa> That's a lot of, what were you doing exactly?
2019-02-28 21:49 <JeffKelley> using osSetPrimitiveParams in a rezer
2019-02-28 21:49 <JeffKelley> changing object's parameter on object_rez, ubODE, YEngine
2019-02-28 21:50 <Tampa> And that causes that output?
2019-02-28 21:50 <JeffKelley> triggered it
2019-02-28 21:50 <JeffKelley> btw that was awesomelyfun to be catched in a teleport loop
2019-02-28 21:52 <JeffKelley> can repro
2019-02-28 21:53 <Tampa> top kek comment: // This is irritating.  Really.
2019-02-28 21:55 <Tampa> This latest master?
2019-02-28 21:55 <JeffKelley> 2019-02-15-98b6ba2
2019-02-28 21:56 <Tampa> Try using latest master see if you can reproduce it, may have been some updates related to this that could ease this, also if it happens in master all the more reason to fix :D
2019-02-28 21:57 <JeffKelley> ok
2019-02-28 22:05 <JeffKelley> same with last master, now trying to bullet, then XEngine
2019-02-28 22:06 <Tampa> It's basic framework, should not really affect that much, still reading code
2019-02-28 22:07 <JeffKelley> issue seems to disappear under bullet+X, testing two remaining combinations
2019-02-28 22:11 <JeffKelley> ok, this is an ubode thing; i'm trying to trim my script now to pinpoint the offender
2019-02-28 22:12 <Tampa> Alternatively: https://pastebin.com/jkB0kpXn That should just push back to the region center instead of trying to reset, I am guessing somehow the variable got borked too
2019-02-28 22:13 <Tampa> Though if that starts spamming the error message I left in there then I really am out of ideas
2019-02-28 22:13 <Tampa> Kinda strange, that sanity check should stop loops, but same time also has the potential to cause one
2019-02-28 22:15 <JeffKelley> the loop should not occur at first time, i have to know what is triggering this
2019-02-28 22:18 <Tampa> Well the fact it loops means it constantly runs into the sanity check for having a non finite position, but the sanity check specifically resets to a last finite position, which could also be broken so that's why it checks that too, I merely wonder if that part fails to run so I removed the if and just have it reset to center, if that does not break out of the loop then the cause is elsewhere, just trying to eliminate that part in case 
2019-02-28 22:18 <Tampa> it somehow screwed up its own sanity
2019-02-28 22:19 <Tampa> If you can't figure out what in the script might be causing it, do put the script and steps to reproduce in the latest ticket about this issue, kinda curious if there are other factors at play.
2019-02-28 22:30 <BillBlight> also just out of curiosity what mono version
2019-02-28 22:30 <JeffKelley> 5.18.0.240
2019-02-28 22:31 <BillBlight> okies, I personally have never seen this error, but as tampa said if you can post the script can see if can replicate it
2019-02-28 22:33 <Tampa> Be interesting if that was related to mono, hopefully not another bad mono release :S
2019-02-28 22:33 <Tampa> Low key hoped the terse updates would solve this in master, darn it xD
2019-03-01 02:42 <AliciaRaven> q
2019-03-01 08:03 <LiruCookies> http://hg.phoenixviewer.com/phoenix-firestorm-lgpl/rev/5f819cf07a1f
2019-03-01 10:37 <osmantis> Bug #8122:04 NonFinite Avatar position detected error #9999902 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8122 ): has been marked as UNRELATED TO issue 0005237.
2019-03-01 10:37 <osmantis> Bug #5237:04 [AVATAR]: NonFinite Avatar position detected... Reset Position. Mantis this please. Error #9999902 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5237 ): has been marked as UNRELATED TO issue 0008122.
2019-03-01 10:37 <osmantis> Bug #8122:04 NonFinite Avatar position detected error #9999902 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8122 ): has been marked as UNRELATED TO issue 0004362.
2019-03-01 10:37 <osmantis> Bug #4362:04 Avatar Position is non-finite! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4362 ): has been marked as UNRELATED TO issue 0008122.
2019-03-01 10:44 <osmantis> Bug #8122:04 NonFinite Avatar position detected error #9999902 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8122 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-01 11:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #6228 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-01 11:52 <osmantis> Bug #8122:04 NonFinite Avatar position detected error #9999902 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8122 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-01 11:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6228: SUCCESS in 7 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6228/
2019-03-01 11:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reduce the chance of using a invalid avatar physics actor
2019-03-01 11:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #6229 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-01 12:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6229: SUCCESS in 5 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6229/
2019-03-01 12:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: put back assetViewer cap code, to allow viewers testing. It is disabled at OpenSimDefaults, and should not be enabled until all major viewers do it right on opensim
2019-03-01 12:08 <osmantis> Bug #8122:04 NonFinite Avatar position detected error #9999902 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8122 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-01 12:10 <osmantis> Bug #8122:04 NonFinite Avatar position detected error #9999902 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8122 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-01 12:22 <osmantis> Bug #8122:04 NonFinite Avatar position detected error #9999902 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8122 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-01 12:22 <osmantis> Bug #8122:04 NonFinite Avatar position detected error #9999902 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8122 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-01 12:58 <osmantis> Bug #8122:04 NonFinite Avatar position detected error #9999902 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8122 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-01 13:27 <osmantis> Bug #8122:04 NonFinite Avatar position detected error #9999902 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8122 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-01 13:30 <osmantis> Bug #8122:04 NonFinite Avatar position detected error #9999902 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8122 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-01 13:32 <osmantis> Bug #8122:04 NonFinite Avatar position detected error #9999902 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8122 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-01 13:34 <osmantis> Bug #8122:04 NonFinite Avatar position detected error #9999902 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8122 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-01 13:35 <JeffKelley> OMG ! I have a XYEngine !
2019-03-01 13:40 <Tampa> That's... how, why is that possible configuration
2019-03-01 13:42 <Ubit> :)
2019-03-01 13:42 <JeffKelley> [YEngine]Enabled = true (default) + [XEngine]Enabled = true + DefaultScriptEngine = "YEngine"
2019-03-01 13:42 <Ubit> we should support both at same time.. but thats pushing 2 hard now
2019-03-01 13:46 <JeffKelley> we should make clear in the inis that user must disable X when enabling Y
2019-03-01 13:47 <Ubit> well idea is allowing both in futute
2019-03-01 13:47 <Ubit> and future
2019-03-01 13:49 <Tampa> How exactly would one then select which one a script should use?
2019-03-01 13:49 <JeffKelley> editing three lines
2019-03-01 13:49 <Ubit> default engine setting
2019-03-01 13:49 <Ubit> and the first line on scripts, telling what to use
2019-03-01 13:50 <Ubit> any without that line, runs on default
2019-03-01 13:54 <JeffKelley> i don't see it really desirable, a script should not be tied to a special engine, except while testing
2019-03-01 13:54 <Ubit> those should have a coment on first line like // Yengine:lsl
2019-03-01 13:55 <Ubit> some will need that
2019-03-01 13:55 <Ubit> like some with odd sintaxe on X accepts
2019-03-01 13:55 <Ubit> or Y with enanched mode
2019-03-01 13:55 <Ubit> etc
2019-03-01 14:00 <JeffKelley> i want that enanched mode
2019-03-01 14:50 <Ubit> ops i said that? :)
2019-03-02 09:18 <osmantis> Bug #8495:04 Feature request: Let save iar have an optional newer-than parameter/filter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8495 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-02 10:11 <osmantis> Bug #8495:04 Feature request: Let save iar have an optional newer-than parameter/filter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8495 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-02 12:57 <osmantis> Bug #8495:04 Feature request: Let save iar have an optional newer-than parameter/filter 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8495 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-03-02 15:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #6230 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-02 15:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6230: SUCCESS in 7 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6230/
2019-03-02 15:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ll rez objects: silent ginore null object id; remove redundante llSetColor code
2019-03-02 15:59 <paela> join #osgrid-ops
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2019-03-02 18:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #6231 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-02 18:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6231: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6231/
2019-03-02 18:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: direct encode lludp terse object update, let contain texture entry
2019-03-02 21:02 <BillBlight> Take it or leave it, but on our fest grid we are seeing a huge lag spike that takes a long time to calm down when users from osgrid, land and it is worse if they have a huge inventory, and even WORSE if they are coming from home hosted regions, it is not quite as bad if they come from a osgrid hosted region ....   Take it for what it is worth ..
2019-03-02 21:18 <JeffKelley> Does it correlate to avatar's complexity too ?
2019-03-02 21:22 <BillBlight> no
2019-03-02 21:22 <BillBlight> does not seem to matter mesh or classic avatar
2019-03-02 21:22 <BillBlight> I literally mean it sends our ping time from 90ms to 18000ms, yes thousand
2019-03-02 21:24 <BillBlight> still spikes but less so if they come from a osgrid hosted region, but still spikes, I have a feeling it has something to do with lack of suitcase and their inventory size
2019-03-02 21:25 <Tampa> CDNs are a great invention
2019-03-02 21:25 <BillBlight> and it is not specific to OSGRID , just that is where the majority are coming from when this happens
2019-03-02 21:25 <BillBlight> if they worked right on the HG Tampa
2019-03-02 21:26 <Tampa> What doesn't work?
2019-03-02 21:26 <BillBlight> I don't have time to debate with you
2019-03-02 21:28 <Tampa> So you just came in here to complain? okay I hear ya
2019-03-02 21:29 <BillBlight> Oh fuck off, we did not have this issue with 48 peeps last weekend, and this weekend it only happens 90% of the time from osgrid avatars, if you want to discuss the issue fine, other than that butt the fuck out ..
2019-03-02 21:31 <Tampa> Wow there buddy I complain about the same thing all the time, but you know how that goes with osgrid or anyone deadset hosting out of their garage
2019-03-03 12:09 <Ubit> Oopsss
2019-03-03 12:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #6232 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-03 12:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6232: FAILURE in 35 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6232/
2019-03-03 12:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: OOOPPPSSS
2019-03-03 12:53 <Ubit> MESSAGE:
2019-03-03 12:53 <Ubit> MySql.Data.MySqlClient.MySqlException : Timeout expired.  The timeout period elapsed prior to completion of the operation or the server is not responding.
2019-03-03 12:53 <Ubit> guess box is in trouble
2019-03-03 12:55 <JeffKelley> happens to me when a robust backup is running
2019-03-03 12:59 <Ubit>  FAILURE in 35 min just shows it is overloaded
2019-03-03 12:59 <Ubit> should be less than 5 or 6
2019-03-03 13:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #6233 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6231 18 hr ago)
2019-03-03 13:00 <Ubit> well guess this will fail also, lets see
2019-03-03 13:01 <Ubit> well no reason to fail on that code change
2019-03-03 13:01 <Tampa> jenkins setup with mysql wut
2019-03-03 13:02 <Ubit> not only compiles fine but also stops funny things like viewer crashs
2019-03-03 13:02 <AliciaRaven> cryptic commit message lol
2019-03-03 13:02 <Ubit> gezz another silly bug :)
2019-03-03 13:02 <Ubit> think oooopsss is very clear :p
2019-03-03 13:03 <Ubit> interchanging source and destination arrays on a block copy is a bit OOOPPS
2019-03-03 13:03 <Ubit> so.. very clear :p
2019-03-03 13:03 <JeffKelley> and it can crash a viewer ?
2019-03-03 13:04 <Ubit> yeap
2019-03-03 13:04 <Ubit> garbage sent
2019-03-03 13:04 <Ubit> bug added on just the previus commit
2019-03-03 13:19 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-03-03 13:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6233: FIXED in 21 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6233/
2019-03-03 13:19 <Ubit> there...
2019-03-03 19:06 <BillBlight> I want to set something straight, yesterday my complaint was not to BLAME osgrid, they are just the biggest grid that I know of that does not use the suitcase, I was blaming lack of the suitcase ....  Now they are not the ONLY grid I had issue with when more than 3 or so of their avies land close to the same time without the suitcase, it spams the server so bad that it makes it almost 
2019-03-03 19:06 <BillBlight> unuesable, and 4 other grid owners have expressed the same issue to me.  When a non-suitcase HG avatar lands, you get about 100x the spam on the console/server than when a suitcase user lands ..   Not posting this for comments just to clear the air ..
2019-03-03 19:20 <LiruCookies> Is there a  reason suitcase isn't on with HG? IT feels like one of those things that just should be
2019-03-03 19:29 <Ubit> actually we should have some helper udp on that
2019-03-03 19:29 <Ubit> sending (unavaible) to all items  yeacckkk
2019-03-03 19:30 <Ubit> but then HG could use a lot more important viewer side help :)
2019-03-03 19:31 <Ubit> like aksing for things to the right regions on to :p
2019-03-03 19:34 <JeffKelley> could that be empty inventory caches that continue to fill while hg ?
2019-03-03 20:55 <JeffKelley> right now, i see '[WEB FETCH INV DESC HANDLER]: Unable to fetch folder' for different uuids when a given avatar hg into a simulator; there are 380 of then and the avatar has a suitcase
2019-03-03 20:55 <JeffKelley> s/then/them/
2019-03-03 21:02 <Tampa> I frankly never been a fan of the suitcase, it seems like a stopgap solution to a bigger issue and as far as I can remember that is all it was meant to be. That's just me though.
2019-03-03 21:03 <JeffKelley> suitcase or not, why the simulator is scanning 380 folders ?
2019-03-03 21:03 <Ubit> to tell user they are not avaiable for example
2019-03-03 21:04 <Ubit> insane
2019-03-03 21:04 <Ubit> well those should only be folder on root
2019-03-03 21:07 <JeffKelley> from the owner of the said avatar, this number is approximatively the number of folders he have in his suitcase; unusual case but it shows that the simulator is calling home from every folder in the suitcase tree
2019-03-03 21:09 <Ubit> gezz suitcase is suposed to be small
2019-03-03 21:09 <Ubit> mb we should put hardlimits on it
2019-03-03 21:10 <JeffKelley> that does not explain why is it "Unable to fetch"
2019-03-03 21:10 <Ubit> no idea
2019-03-03 21:11 <Tampa> People keeping all their things in / instead of /somefolder/ 
2019-03-03 21:12 <Tampa> Also hundreds of friends from offline grids ain't helping
2019-03-04 14:54 <paela> any have planed make actual dev code in release 9.2 ?
2019-03-04 15:04 <Tampa> Read the minutes of the last couple meetings
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2019-03-04 19:50 <paela> you think i have 20 minutes for read that
2019-03-04 19:50 <paela> i just need a answer
2019-03-04 19:51 <paela> but i see is to complicated to answer
2019-03-04 20:46 <Tampa> You make up your own mind on what the end result of the meeting regarding the releases was, because I am not about to speak on their behalf, not that, in my view, a consensus was reached on what to do anyways. Couldn't give you a straight answer if I wanted to.
2019-03-05 00:05 <paela> join #opensim-fr
2019-03-05 00:05 <paela> ops
2019-03-05 02:24 <djphil> @AliciaRaven:  Hello, I'm wrong or you did a function to know the land impact of an avatar .
2019-03-05 02:24 <djphil> I know llGetParcelPrimOwners but I think you have created one too, right?
2019-03-05 02:42 <AliciaRaven> djphil yes i did work on that area, following the SL spec
2019-03-05 02:43 <AliciaRaven> was a long time ago, im not sure what the status of that code is, but i can tell u its not in opensim
2019-03-05 02:43 <djphil> Ha ok
2019-03-05 02:44 <AliciaRaven> i beleive it was land limpact on prims in regions, to display in the build window, I'm not sure if avatars were included, but that change would be easy to implement i guess
2019-03-05 02:45 <djphil> actually i know 2 way to know land impact
2019-03-05 02:45 <AliciaRaven> it wasnt included because alot of people have problems with how SL calculated that value and didnt think it was relevant to an open system like os, or even an acurate representation of server/viewer load
2019-03-05 02:45 <djphil> with llGetParcelPrimCount (for object) and 01llGetParcelPrimOwners01 for avi (no tested with npc as agent)
2019-03-05 02:46 <AliciaRaven> that just counts prims, it does not take into count the individual complexity of varying load created by each prim
2019-03-05 02:47 <djphil> None of these 2 are really accurate
2019-03-05 02:47 <djphil> Yes, that's it, as you say
2019-03-05 02:47 <AliciaRaven> a mesh is counted as one prim, but could be a simple 8 vertex box, or a 60,000 vertex model
2019-03-05 02:47 <AliciaRaven> yep
2019-03-05 02:47 <djphil> Not for individual prim or accurate avatar targeted via uuid directly etc ...
2019-03-05 02:48 <djphil> i see max for avatars is 500.000
2019-03-05 02:48 <djphil> but on opensim it return -1
2019-03-05 02:48 <djphil> = unknow
2019-03-05 02:48 <djphil> (don't know by server)
2019-03-05 02:48 <AliciaRaven> what returns -1?
2019-03-05 02:49 <djphil> llGetObjectDetails(uuid, [OBJECT_RENDER_WEIGHT])
2019-03-05 02:49 <djphil> and this return only a list ... llGetParcelPrimOwners(llGetPos())
2019-03-05 02:49 <djphil> (100 max).
2019-03-05 02:50 <AliciaRaven> i guess that must be connected to land impact but if it is, it will not be hooked up to any code in os
2019-03-05 02:51 <AliciaRaven> what is it you are wanting to do?
2019-03-05 02:51 <djphil> I believe that osObjectLandImpact, osAvatarLandImpact and osNpcLandImpact could be used ...
2019-03-05 02:52 <djphil> Well I tell myself that the weight of some avatars are often the cause of problems in certain regions
2019-03-05 02:52 <djphil> So I write a little script to determine the land impact of things ...
2019-03-05 02:52 <AliciaRaven> true, a basic linda kelly hair example i have been working with is 60,000 vertices, thats more than the avatar itself
2019-03-05 02:53 <djphil> Eventually, if land impact is too high, then the script can prevent the avatar and ask to wear a lighter avi during the visit, for example ...
2019-03-05 02:54 <djphil> Yes hair but now we also have horrible mesh (poorly designed) :s
2019-03-05 02:54 <djphil> (sorry for creators) :p
2019-03-05 02:55 <AliciaRaven> makes sense to me as an option for extreme cases maybe, but there is opposition to including land impact in opensim, if other devs agree i would port the code for calculations i have to master
2019-03-05 02:56 <BillBlight> have you looked recently, ubODE does calculate LI
2019-03-05 02:56 <BillBlight> you can even see it on the upload costs
2019-03-05 02:56 <AliciaRaven> it does?
2019-03-05 02:56 <AliciaRaven> eh i been away so i missed that
2019-03-05 02:56 <djphil> ok, I'm going to create a mantis for that, so we can talk there
2019-03-05 02:57 <djphil> yes Bill
2019-03-05 02:57 <AliciaRaven> i wrote the land impact code djphil is taking about before ubODE was created
2019-03-05 02:57 <djphil> That's also why I thought it could be easily implemented in a function now, bc supported by ubODE
2019-03-05 02:58 <AliciaRaven> back then, the SL spec was controversial and not trusted by many
2019-03-05 02:58 <Tampa> That's one thing that has not changed over the years
2019-03-05 02:59 <AliciaRaven> Sl spec in general or the land impact specifically?
2019-03-05 03:00 <Tampa> primitiveparamsFAST need I say more xD
2019-03-05 03:00 <AliciaRaven> generaly the sl land impact calculation is a good idea, but there are occasions where the theory is flawed
2019-03-05 03:01 <djphil> There is alos ARC
2019-03-05 03:01 <djphil> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Avatar_Rendering_Cost
2019-03-05 03:01 <Tampa> LI on physicals is still an open debate too
2019-03-05 03:02 <AliciaRaven> vertex count / volume = vertex density, thats good, but gauging script complexity is more of an issue
2019-03-05 03:03 <djphil> If LI discussion is still open, maybe we can ignore LI and give opensim a way to calculate an impact value specific to opensim that would allow us to get a similar result
2019-03-05 03:03 <AliciaRaven> few years since i even looked at the code, so sorry if my memory is sketchy
2019-03-05 03:04 <Tampa> I see some grids grabbing attached physics lps or something and asking users to remove AOs n things to reduce impact, seems a bit harsh honestly
2019-03-05 03:05 <AliciaRaven> original report and patch i submitted back in 2014..
2019-03-05 03:05 <AliciaRaven> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7158
2019-03-05 03:06 <djphil> A visit slowed by the too heavy avatars is also hard for others users ... @Tampa
2019-03-05 03:06 <Tampa> I know, but scripts are hardly an issue, inventory and friends have a much bigger impact
2019-03-05 03:07 <djphil> The pleasant experience of the user should be a priority
2019-03-05 03:07 <Tampa> "should be" sadly isn't or in some cases can't be
2019-03-05 03:07 <djphil> Lol I want to count the inventories
2019-03-05 03:07 <djphil> for the moment (lol)
2019-03-05 03:08 <Tampa> I mean if that was the primary directive the flippin viewers would run a whole lot better
2019-03-05 03:08 <Tampa> You know I was working on a php routine to slim down inventory relations, but that is a hornets nest
2019-03-05 03:09 <djphil> Yes I can imagine
2019-03-05 03:09 <djphil> and I am certainly far from reality :p
2019-03-05 03:11 <djphil> Finally, we have small sympatic functions like name, gender, language, born, status, health, ip, counrty (soon) ... so land impact would be surely welcome :)
2019-03-05 03:12 <AliciaRaven> if ubODE supports land impact, then Ubit should have connected that with osl script functions i expect, u will have to check with him on that
2019-03-05 03:13 <djphil> Yes I'm going to do a little mantis, like that's in the box
2019-03-05 05:45 <jsync> MrFrans, that's neat. Is there a formal development team?
2019-03-05 08:31 <jsync> I have quite a lot because of you developers, & quite a lot of you are really friendly people on a practical level, & I'm conscientious about that, & there are things that the community needs. It's important work. "Like colored pencils & drawing paper". I'd like to help.
2019-03-05 08:32 <jsync> (I'm working on DARK City, Ameliyanika: A Good Society project region series. Within DARK City, most people live in the Metropolis & let the rural land go to the wildlife. It's good for Planetary Ecology.)
2019-03-05 08:34 <jsync> ((You might reference the "Al Bielek" videos. DARK City, Ameliyanika is Governed of Llama Systems Inc. & TIS (Technological Intelligence Species).))
2019-03-05 08:42 <jsync> (I live in the Virtual World. It's like my Good Environment that I focus on.)
2019-03-05 08:59 <Ubit> land impact is not on physics
2019-03-05 08:59 <djphil> Mmmm :p
2019-03-05 08:59 <Ubit> i think :)
2019-03-05 08:59 <djphil> (lol)
2019-03-05 09:00 <Ubit> thing it does need some mesh details, and can't be reading them all the time
2019-03-05 09:00 <Ubit> thats why avatars where never in, also who knows what ll math is on those
2019-03-05 09:02 <Ubit> opos it does 
2019-03-05 09:02 <Ubit> it does use physics 
2019-03-05 09:02 <Ubit> well on physics cost duhh
2019-03-05 09:03 <Ubit> but yeap others also
2019-03-05 09:03 <Ubit> reason is bc physics does mesh parsing, and so has the data for those
2019-03-05 09:03 <Ubit> wel ubode does
2019-03-05 09:04 <Ubit> so no avatar costs
2019-03-05 09:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #6234 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-03-05 09:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6234: SUCCESS in 7 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6234/
2019-03-05 09:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove lludp throttle texture rate cannibal option. That rate is used by http, and beeing http is still trafic
2019-03-05 11:05 <osmantis> Bug #8496:04 llPushObject has no effect on avatars (BulletSim) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8496 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-03-05 11:08 <osmantis> Bug #8122:04 NonFinite Avatar position detected error #9999902 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8122 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2019-03-05 11:11 <osmantis> Bug #8122:04 NonFinite Avatar position detected error #9999902 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8122 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-03-05 11:58 <osmantis> Bug #8496:04 llPushObject has no effect on avatars (BulletSim) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8496 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-05 16:03 <Tampa> "let it be let it beee"
2019-03-05 16:03 <Tampa> lol
2019-03-05 16:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #6235 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-05 16:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6235: SUCCESS in 6 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6235/
2019-03-05 16:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: llupd direct encode object updates for agents; let terse updates be zeroencoded. This is not as spec but does work
2019-03-05 17:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #6236 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-05 17:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6236: SUCCESS in 5 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6236/
2019-03-05 17:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: dont try to backup a object in the middle of possible multipack link
2019-03-05 17:11 <Tampa> Isn't there one in the take-copy routine as well?
2019-03-05 17:13 <Tampa>             // FIXME: Can't do this test yet since group 2 still has its root part!  We can't yet null this since
2019-03-05 17:13 <Tampa>             // it might cause SOG.ProcessBackup() to fail due to the race condition.  This really needs to be fixed.
2019-03-05 17:14 <Ubit> don't see it
2019-03-05 17:14 <Ubit> thats on a test
2019-03-05 17:14 <Tampa> Yes I mixed that up in my head
2019-03-05 17:14 <Ubit> all normal then
2019-03-05 17:14 <Ubit> ;)
2019-03-05 17:44 <osmantis> Bug #8496:04 llPushObject has no effect on avatars (BulletSim) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8496 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-05 18:44 <Ubit> meeting in 15m
2019-03-05 18:51 <JeffKelley> where?
2019-03-05 18:51 <Ubit> dev outreach @ osgrid
2019-03-05 23:13 <osmantis> Bug #8496:04 llPushObject has no effect on avatars (BulletSim) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8496 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-06 08:59 <osmantis> Bug #8496:04 llPushObject has no effect on avatars (BulletSim) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8496 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-06 17:43 <osmantis> Bug #8496:04 llPushObject has no effect on avatars (BulletSim) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8496 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-06 17:56 <osmantis> Bug #8496:04 llPushObject has no effect on avatars (BulletSim) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8496 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-06 18:35 <osmantis> Bug #8496:04 llPushObject has no effect on avatars (BulletSim) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8496 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-06 18:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #6237 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-06 18:36 <JeffKelley> not committed
2019-03-06 18:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6237: SUCCESS in 7 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6237/
2019-03-06 18:40 <osjenkins> misterblue: BulletSim: Add delay to stationary check after adding force to Avatar.
2019-03-06 18:42 <misterblue> I should remember to commit before adding the Mantis comment :)
2019-03-06 18:56 <JeffKelley> works
2019-03-06 19:01 <misterblue> there is a cap on how much force you can apply ([BulletSim]MaxAddForceMagnitude=20000)
2019-03-06 19:02 <misterblue> that's pretty high so you shouldn't hit it.. but if you see a cap, that's where it's coming from
2019-03-06 19:03 <misterblue> The parameters in OpenSimDefault.ini are BulletSim parameters that one might want to tweak... there are a zillion of them 
2019-03-06 19:04 <JeffKelley> impulse is about twice ubode for a same effect but i suppose it is a non-issue
2019-03-06 19:04 <misterblue> you'd see all the parameters if you did a "physics get all" command on the console :)
2019-03-06 19:06 <osmantis> Bug #8496:04 llPushObject has no effect on avatars (BulletSim) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8496 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-03-06 19:07 <JeffKelley> physics is not supposed toi be calibrated, scripts use to adapt to the engine
2019-03-06 19:17 <BillBlight> Yeah I find the force on ubODE to be about half of that of bullet but the ceiling is a lot more than twice as high, so it allows much more fine tuning ..
2019-03-06 19:40 <Ubit> find that force luke..
2019-03-06 19:40 <Ubit> :)
2019-03-06 19:41 <BillBlight> Stay on Target .....
2019-03-06 19:41 <Ubit> BUMMMM
2019-03-06 19:41 <Ubit> :)
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2019-03-06 20:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #6238 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-06 20:01 <Ubit> ok forgot to runprebuild :p
2019-03-06 20:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6238: SUCCESS in 5 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6238/
2019-03-06 20:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: lludp do inline zeroencode of some(most) agent full updates (runprebuild)
2019-03-06 20:27 <osmantis> Bug #8496:04 llPushObject has no effect on avatars (BulletSim) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8496 ): has been REOPENED.
2019-03-06 21:33 <osmantis> Bug #8496:04 llPushObject has no effect on avatars (BulletSim) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8496 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-06 21:42 <Plugh> Might that issue have something to do with the function name including Object and not Avatar?  :)
2019-03-06 21:47 <Ubit> rtfm :p
2019-03-06 21:53 <Plugh> I'm just kidding. sheesh
2019-03-06 21:55 <Ubit> ohh me 2
2019-03-06 21:55 <Ubit> :p
2019-03-06 22:00 <osmantis> Bug #8496:04 llPushObject has no effect on avatars (BulletSim) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8496 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-06 22:03 <osmantis> Bug #8496:04 llPushObject has no effect on avatars (BulletSim) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8496 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-06 22:05 <osmantis> Bug #8496:04 llPushObject has no effect on avatars (BulletSim) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8496 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-06 22:10 <osmantis> Bug #8496:04 llPushObject has no effect on avatars (BulletSim) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8496 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-06 22:10 <osmantis> Bug #8496:04 llPushObject has no effect on avatars (BulletSim) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8496 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-06 22:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #6239 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-06 22:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6239: SUCCESS in 5 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6239/
2019-03-06 22:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: llupd add direct encode, with inline zeroencode, of objects update ( code path currently not in use)
2019-03-06 22:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #6240 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-06 22:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6240: SUCCESS in 5 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6240/
2019-03-06 22:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix packet type
2019-03-07 03:27 <paela> i work in my personnal code for add a limit of items in inventory example 20k of items is not good inventory are unlimited in some think example groups number users in, inventory, friends, after 20 k of inventory tp will break some times in home region is not good
2019-03-07 03:28 <paela> to many friend make problem more with a lots friends hg
2019-03-07 03:28 <paela> etc ...
2019-03-07 04:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6241: SUCCESS in 5 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6241/
2019-03-07 04:59 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: don't send irrelevant data
2019-03-07 04:59 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: don't read from dbs wrong sound flags
2019-03-07 06:41 <osmantis> Bug #8497:04 Cutting a prim into multiface 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8497 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-03-07 06:50 <osmantis> Bug #8497:04 Cutting a prim into multiface 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8497 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-07 11:59 <osmantis> Bug #8497:04 Cutting a prim into multiface 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8497 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-07 12:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #6242 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-07 12:16 <osmantis> Bug #8497:04 Cutting a prim into multiface 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8497 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008474.
2019-03-07 12:16 <osmantis> Bug #8474:04 Scripts cannot modify some sides of a prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8474 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008497.
2019-03-07 12:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6242: SUCCESS in 7 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6242/
2019-03-07 12:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: prims have at most 9 face textures
2019-03-07 14:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #6243 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-07 14:54 <Ubit> wear helmets...
2019-03-07 14:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6243: SUCCESS in 5 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6243/
2019-03-07 14:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make use of direct object update encoding
2019-03-07 15:02 <osmantis> Bug #8497:04 Cutting a prim into multiface 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8497 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-07 16:18 <Ubit> hmm no one crashed yet?
2019-03-07 16:18 <Ubit> uff
2019-03-07 16:24 <JeffKelley> last time i checked, i was alive
2019-03-07 16:35 <misterblue> Ubit is some tweaking some scary low level stuff :)
2019-03-07 16:36 <Ubit> yeap
2019-03-07 16:36 <Ubit> a little mistake BUMMM
2019-03-07 16:36 <Ubit> lol
2019-03-07 16:36 <Ubit> viewer crash
2019-03-07 16:37 <Ubit> ( yes had a few :p )
2019-03-07 16:37 <JeffKelley> wait a minute, i'm not on the latest
2019-03-07 16:42 <JeffKelley> is there something special to do to raise the probability of a crash ?
2019-03-07 16:42 <Ubit> no idea
2019-03-07 17:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #6244 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-07 17:15 <JeffKelley> is there a clever way to keep in sync with the remote master than cron + comparing the output of git pull to "Already up-to-date" ?
2019-03-07 17:16 <Ubit> yeap, look here
2019-03-07 17:16 <Ubit> :p
2019-03-07 17:16 <JeffKelley> it needs a human
2019-03-07 17:16 <Ubit> well i still see trees
2019-03-07 17:17 <Ubit> hire one, humans need jobs
2019-03-07 17:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6244: SUCCESS in 5 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6244/
2019-03-07 17:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: vegetation is special
2019-03-07 18:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #6245 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-07 18:22 <Tampa> Ubit is becoming a gardener
2019-03-07 18:23 <Tampa> Want some fresh tulips?
2019-03-07 18:23 <Ubit> :)
2019-03-07 18:23 <Ubit> sure, code viewers for them and tell me the code :)
2019-03-07 18:24 <Tampa> Reminds me I still gotta plant an entire forest -.-
2019-03-07 18:24 <Ubit> i mean state code
2019-03-07 18:25 <Ubit> ohh i don't do vegetation on warp3d
2019-03-07 18:25 <Ubit> well how 2 is a minor detail :)
2019-03-07 18:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6245: SUCCESS in 5 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6245/
2019-03-07 18:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: grass even more
2019-03-07 18:37 <Ubit> hmm if viewers did agree or trees and grass would be nine
2019-03-07 18:53 <Ubit> well everytime i login i see dif trees 
2019-03-07 18:53 <Ubit> or tp out and back
2019-03-07 18:54 <Ubit> guess viewers lod mess
2019-03-07 18:54 <WhiteStar_Magic> lol same folks plus a couple of others....   Having a wee issue with export & import using FireStorm.   It comes back to a Permissions issue (not a failure) but ...  
2019-03-07 18:54 <WhiteStar_Magic> Hey Ubit !
2019-03-07 18:54 <Ubit> hi
2019-03-07 18:54 <WhiteStar_Magic> interesting U mention trees... Weird stuff on my SA - they do odd things
2019-03-07 18:55 <WhiteStar_Magic> I'm trying to transfer stuff into OSG for distribution but FS is giving me stress
2019-03-07 18:55 <Ubit> typical :)
2019-03-07 18:56 <WhiteStar_Magic> the issue is:  even though I am creator of prims, textures, scripts etc, the Creator UUID is unresolved on some parts because they came from my old OSG, SA & other inventories via IAR or OAR and as such the UUIDS are unresolvable.  Making it quite problematic
2019-03-07 18:56 <WhiteStar_Magic> I'm not keen on hacking teh database !
2019-03-07 18:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #6246 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-07 18:57 <WhiteStar_Magic> for two reasons....  some items (textures) coudl have come from others with full perms & I do not want to mess that up... although textures do not seem to be an issue but everything else does.
2019-03-07 18:58 <WhiteStar_Magic> Would you have a suggestion Ubit which coudl solve it ?
2019-03-07 18:58 <Ubit> not really
2019-03-07 18:58 <WhiteStar_Magic> attaching a region to OSG and uploading is not an option as I am on  remote statelite uplink with lousy performance.
2019-03-07 18:58 <Ubit> permissions are there and a bit more "intrusive" than in past
2019-03-07 18:59 <Ubit> but fs export, is basicly fs decisions
2019-03-07 19:00 <WhiteStar_Magic> I even tried to set perms off in the INI and go God Mode.. still same crud...   so essentially, I will have to recreate every piece ?
2019-03-07 19:00 <WhiteStar_Magic> I get why FS does so... to prevent copybotting for teh most part.. no prob with that but geez, what a PITA !
2019-03-07 19:00 <Ubit> well just beeing god does not help
2019-03-07 19:01 <WhiteStar_Magic> I did everything else too..  not going to outline it here as that woudl be a bad thing to do as I won't help anyone hack a system 
2019-03-07 19:02 <Ubit> :)
2019-03-07 19:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6246: SUCCESS in 5 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6246/
2019-03-07 19:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: well let trees have special state and grass data block again.
2019-03-07 19:03 <Ubit> uff anyone still uses ll vegetation? :)
2019-03-07 19:03 <WhiteStar_Magic> WHAT IF ?   I grabbed my OSG UUID and recreate my SA an generate that new WS account using the OSG UUID and then reload everything again ?   That may resolve many of teh unresolvable creator errors ?   What do ya think ?
2019-03-07 19:04 <Ubit> having a fight with ll vegetation :)
2019-03-07 19:04 <WhiteStar_Magic> get a machete
2019-03-07 19:05 <Ubit> ok seems more "stable" now
2019-03-07 19:05 <WhiteStar_Magic> LL Veggies - ohh that's a flashback
2019-03-07 19:05 <Ubit> well on same viewer
2019-03-07 19:05 <WhiteStar_Magic> did U see what I posted up, UUID above ?
2019-03-07 19:06 <Ubit> moving from osg to a standalone ?
2019-03-07 19:07 <Ubit> well trees do seem ok unless you do have a degree on botany
2019-03-07 19:07 <misterblue> you could burst the OARs into files and do a sed to replace the unknown UUIDs
2019-03-07 19:07 <WhiteStar_Magic> trying to resolve the unresolvable creator because of different UUIDS.   Taking my old IAR's & OARS and loading them to SA and working on stuff to export & bring back into OpenSim
2019-03-07 19:07 <misterblue> I think all the ownership stuff is in the XML
2019-03-07 19:07 <Ubit> bahh its all xml
2019-03-07 19:08 <Ubit> ( for now... ill change that.. one day :p )
2019-03-07 19:09 <Ubit> move moves like that will be harder
2019-03-07 19:10 <Ubit> hard to see when its a valid operation or a gross rights violation
2019-03-07 19:10 <WhiteStar_Magic> uhhh whut  rights violation ?
2019-03-07 19:11 <Ubit> damm messing with vegetation and got a email from gov telling i must cut vegetation 50m around houses
2019-03-07 19:11 <Ubit> cipy rights
2019-03-07 19:11 <Ubit> and copy...
2019-03-07 19:13 <Ubit> but as is, on a standalone you can take ownership of things and force owner rights
2019-03-07 19:24 <BillBlight> FS Export/Import if there is ANYTHING you are not the creator of, it will either flat fail or just skip those objects, yes it is to prevent copybotting with FS backups ..   
2019-03-07 19:24 <BillBlight> be it a texture a notecard, anything 
2019-03-07 19:25 <WhiteStar_Magic> correct Bill and it is as it shoudl be BUT perms are still a tad borked and teh Export Flag also has issues
2019-03-07 19:27 <BillBlight> but as far as import/export in FS that is entirely the viewers decision, in grid permissions, well , another story
2019-03-07 19:31 <WhiteStar_Magic> interestingly, I just tried to change export flag on something in OSG, wholy created in OSG with all my own scripts, textures etc and FAIL !   So....   as Fred Flintstone would say, Ruckus, Stuckus, Frickus, Fruckus !  Ohhh well...
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2019-03-08 11:12 <Ubit> fail to understand the usefullness onf objectcompressedupdate
2019-03-08 11:13 <Ubit> what hell where they thinking ?
2019-03-08 11:14 <Ubit> guess ill skip its support more
2019-03-08 11:20 <Ubit> gezz in got trapped in the inside of the solid part of a sphere on bullet
2019-03-08 11:20 <Ubit> can't getout lol
2019-03-08 11:21 <Ubit> had no idea bullet still had that, well or normal meshmerizer
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2019-03-08 18:52 <paela> Hello, I see in osgrid we have for fiew weeks tome problem on friends said not online etc is it same of all grids with the new versions ? 
2019-03-08 18:53 <paela> some*
2019-03-08 19:11 <osmantis> Bug #8498:04 llSensor() for NPCs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8498 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-03-08 19:14 <osmantis> Bug #8498:04 llSensor() for NPCs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8498 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-08 19:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #6247 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-08 19:20 <osmantis> Bug #8498:04 llSensor() for NPCs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8498 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-08 19:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6247: SUCCESS in 7 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6247/
2019-03-08 19:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: agent animation object ids are only for self avatar
2019-03-08 19:25 <osmantis> Bug #8498:04 llSensor() for NPCs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8498 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-08 19:26 <osmantis> Bug #8498:04 llSensor() for NPCs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8498 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-08 19:28 <osmantis> Bug #8498:04 llSensor() for NPCs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8498 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-03-08 21:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #6248 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-08 21:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6248: SUCCESS in 5 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6248/
2019-03-08 21:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: just direct encode avatar animation also
2019-03-08 22:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #6249 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-08 22:32 <Ubit> gezz me dancing with a npc... bahh what testing makes one do
2019-03-08 22:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6249: SUCCESS in 5 min 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6249/
2019-03-08 22:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ooops bad zeroencode flag
2019-03-08 22:35 <paela> lol
2019-03-08 22:47 <Ubit> you are late Bill
2019-03-08 22:48 <Ubit> where have you been?? gezzz
2019-03-08 22:48 <Ubit> :p
2019-03-08 22:48 <BillBlight> the drive in my firewall decided to die, had to reload it
2019-03-08 22:49 <Ubit> outch
2019-03-08 22:49 <BillBlight> not a big deal have plenty of small drives I can use for it, but was really annoying
2019-03-08 22:49 <Ubit> hmm same firewall as fest?
2019-03-08 22:49 <BillBlight> nope
2019-03-08 22:49 <Ubit> ok
2019-03-08 22:49 <BillBlight> my firewall here at home
2019-03-08 22:49 <Ubit> ok
2019-03-08 22:50 <BillBlight> I use a little quad core atom 1u server for my firewall
2019-03-09 01:39 <LiruCookies> paela: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.en.html Do not tell me I cannot make money just because I work on open source software, that couldn't be further from the truth. No, I don't need to be paid to work on the viewer, but if you want YOUR grid advertised in our viewer, we will not be doing this for free.
2019-03-09 01:41 <LiruCookies> FURTHERMORE, if our next release is to support opensim at all, someone needs to tell me EXACTLY who paela is NOW and why they brought SUCH ATTITUDE to our channel. No one will care because "singularity is unpopulars and fs have 98 % of the part of login in opensim" 
2019-03-09 01:41 <LiruCookies> Well GUESS WHAT
2019-03-09 01:41 <LiruCookies> I "try think"
2019-03-09 01:41 <LiruCookies> I'll just remove what has been a pain to support anyway
2019-03-09 01:42 <LiruCookies> So SOMEONE in here needs to start talking, because we release soon and I frankly don't give a damn if we support opensim or not.
2019-03-09 01:50 <LiruCookies> I can see why firestorm takes such hostility to opensim now, people like paela who barely speak a lick of english acting like spoiled brats trying to get their way by threats instead of tact.
2019-03-09 01:50 <paela> Warning man ;)
2019-03-09 01:50 <paela> do not make me angry
2019-03-09 01:50 <paela> you got have serious problem man
2019-03-09 01:51 <paela> en bon français
2019-03-09 01:51 <paela>  je t'enmerde toi et ton viewer de noob cas social va
2019-03-09 01:51 <paela> bon à rien !
2019-03-09 01:56 <LiruCookies> You have a serious problem, you can do nothing to me, you likely represent a niche grid hardly anyone uses, because if you did, you wouldn't need to go around making threats and putting on this display of power. I've seen this whole act before, and we've always declined adding random grids like this to our default grids. The very reason we added the ability to add grids via grids box on login was 
2019-03-09 01:56 <LiruCookies> to streamline the process of adding grids.
2019-03-09 02:02 <paela> Well liru have done more work on my grid of opensim have done on 12 years have done a complete viewer to in 2014 without the bugs your viewer have but if you ignoring your viewer is corrupted in build inworld and texture apply etc ... but well you have a big ego i can understand you not can add all grids isnt the problem is my user complaint all times of bugs and is not a problem of 
2019-03-09 02:02 <paela> opensim or my code grid is a problem of your viewer example loading texture need 10 times in all grids !
2019-03-09 02:10 <paela> too*
2019-03-09 02:12 <LiruCookies> It's not about an ego, I simply am not making the viewer an adboard for L'Opensim Francais, we have the defaults of SL where most of our users are, and OSGrid because that is neutral territory and helps promote the development of opensim. If you're having issues you can barely speak comprehensibly but I have never heard of anything even approximately close to before, perhaps that's on you. In any 
2019-03-09 02:12 <LiruCookies> case, Singularity is NOT going to be an adboard, as I said earlier, if this is how opensim devs are going to act toward our project from now on, we will pull support entirely. Remember how you said FS has 98% of the users? Well opensim has nearly none of the users, the only reason for us to care is in the spirit of open source.
2019-03-09 09:52 <Ubit> Sorry, this discussion as no relation to opensim. What opensim grids are included on stock viewers, is a viewers team thing, of course.
2019-03-09 09:53 <Ubit> we can only hope there are a few ;)
2019-03-09 10:00 <Ubit> Direct answer to question, Paela is a opensim user. Does not speak for or represent by any means OpenSimulator
2019-03-09 12:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #6250 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-09 12:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6250: SUCCESS in 7 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6250/
2019-03-09 12:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do not send animated attachments to viewers that do not support them.
2019-03-09 16:40 <LiruCookies> Ubit: Awesome thank you.
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2019-03-10 11:30 <Ubit> oops machine overload time
2019-03-10 11:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #6251 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-10 11:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6251: SUCCESS in 34 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6251/
2019-03-10 11:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: lludp fix max packet size on ack appends
2019-03-10 15:59 <Ubit> cd bin
2019-03-10 15:59 <Ubit> err not here
2019-03-10 16:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #6252 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-10 16:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6252: FAILURE in 28 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6252/
2019-03-10 16:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: lludp: direct encode terrain patchs packets
2019-03-10 16:42 <Ubit> mysql timeout again 
2019-03-10 16:42 <Ubit> bc box overloaded, not a real error
2019-03-10 16:46 <Tampa> Have the unit tests ever actually caught a problem?
2019-03-10 16:52 <Ubit> yes the machine is overloaded and mysql does timeout
2019-03-10 17:14 <Plugh> Directory not found
2019-03-10 17:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #6253 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6251 6 hr 11 min ago)
2019-03-10 17:40 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-03-10 17:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6253: FIXED in 5 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6253/
2019-03-11 19:44 <BillBlight> Remember US changed time this past weekend, it is going to throw off the Office Hours for some ...
2019-03-11 19:45 <BillBlight> for tomorrow
2019-03-11 19:47 <Ubit> earth is flat, why change time?
2019-03-11 20:05 <JeffKelley> because there is a side up and a side down
2019-03-11 20:24 <BillBlight> Yeah and what about those of us that live on the cutting edge ... 
2019-03-11 21:15 <Ubit> no time there.. undefined
2019-03-11 21:19 <BillBlight> Maybe that is why people always say I'm late but I think I'm early
2019-03-11 21:20 <Ubit> possible
2019-03-11 21:20 <paela> after the next change hour in europe we not change more time the hour
2019-03-11 21:20 <paela> yay
2019-03-11 22:07 <Ubit> that was already decided?
2019-03-11 22:07 <Ubit> well and think each country has the option to keep changing
2019-03-11 22:08 <Ubit> and worse, if stop changing, some may decide to stay in summer time or winter time grrr
2019-03-11 22:09 <paela> is imposed by the europe Ubit no choose if continue or not is stopped just country can choose the hour
2019-03-11 22:10 <Ubit> no there where options... its EU since when them make simple sensible things? :p
2019-03-11 22:10 <paela> lol
2019-03-11 22:11 <Ubit> still don't see decision for pt
2019-03-11 22:11 <Ubit> what will france do?
2019-03-11 22:11 <paela> in france we not have choose for now
2019-03-11 22:11 <paela> but is peoples choose
2019-03-11 22:11 <paela> 80 % wanna summer hour
2019-03-11 22:11 <paela> is so shit
2019-03-11 22:11 <paela> :D
2019-03-11 22:12 <Ubit> only see "maybe be last change" not will be
2019-03-11 22:12 <Ubit> and see tables up to 2032 lol
2019-03-11 22:13 <Ubit> ok news telling will be.. lets see
2019-03-11 22:13 <paela> it will be daylight from 10 am in winter, the legendary logic of the French that ...
2019-03-11 22:13 <Ubit> nopes.. its still maybe lol
2019-03-11 22:14 <paela> https://www.senat.fr/rap/r96-13/r96-136.html
2019-03-11 22:15 <paela> A consultation was organized until Sunday, March 3 on the site of the National Assembly for you to change for the abandonment of the time change. This Wednesday, the results have fallen and the French are pronounced for the change of time and adopt only the summer time. A choice that will not be without consequences.
2019-03-11 22:15 <Ubit> oficial site still says we will have winter time in octuber
2019-03-11 22:16 <Ubit> and tables till 2021 
2019-03-11 22:18 <Ubit> yeap our goverment does not want to end the hour changes
2019-03-11 22:23 <paela> is done for this year in france 
2019-03-11 22:23 <paela> grr
2019-03-11 22:25 <Ubit> yeap seems pt gov decision has been to keep changing the hour, no matter what eu tells
2019-03-11 22:48 <BillBlight> The part of the state I live in fought for years to NOT change time , and lost the battle a few years ago ..
2019-03-11 22:52 <misterblue> Arizona doesn't do daylight savings time, but the Navaho nation (which is within Arizona) does, and the Hopi Indian Nation (which is within the Navaho Nation) doesn't
2019-03-11 22:52 <misterblue> so, in one state, there is standard time within daylight time within standard time within a country on daylight time
2019-03-11 22:56 <BillBlight> Yeah Indiana was like that till a few years ago
2019-03-11 23:10 <Ubit> public here seen to had vote to no change ( no idea when no one asked me)  but gov got a report from astronometers telling not change was bad for health balbla
2019-03-11 23:10 <Ubit> ( yes astronomers talking about health .. )
2019-03-11 23:10 <paela> :P
2019-03-11 23:11 <paela> ubit have share you a sexy pic in osg for you lols
2019-03-11 23:11 <paela> haha
2019-03-11 23:11 <BillBlight> yeah the change is bad for humans, but good for Farmers, and cows...
2019-03-11 23:11 <Ubit> they said not change is bad for humans 
2019-03-11 23:11 <BillBlight> I've always heard the opposite
2019-03-11 23:12 <paela> i'm never at the same hour ( all time but in car/bus plane ) but i'm never tired by the difference of hours
2019-03-11 23:12 <paela> butt*
2019-03-11 23:12 <Ubit> guess best for humans would just be local time, sync with sun 
2019-03-11 23:13 <Ubit> thats what we did evolved for
2019-03-11 23:14 <BillBlight> try having this all your life ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_sleep_phase_disorder
2019-03-11 23:16 <BillBlight> the amount of daylight makes no diff to me .. LOL
2019-03-11 23:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #6254 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-03-11 23:22 <Ubit> oops
2019-03-11 23:22 <BillBlight> what did you break?
2019-03-11 23:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6254: SUCCESS in 7 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6254/
2019-03-11 23:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: at login do try proper region name match before sending just somewhere that looks similar
2019-03-11 23:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #6255 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-11 23:28 <Ubit> not sure why that isn't a exact match all the time
2019-03-11 23:28 <Ubit> but well old code..
2019-03-11 23:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6255: SUCCESS in 5 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6255/
2019-03-11 23:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: errr use invariantculture compare not current
2019-03-11 23:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #6256 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-11 23:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6256: SUCCESS in 5 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6256/
2019-03-11 23:51 <osjenkins> * root: Allow anyone to get a CAP to the console - check rights on use
2019-03-11 23:52 <osjenkins> * root: Add a but more status info on marker files
2019-03-11 23:52 <osjenkins> * root: Fix multi, and single tenancy on MapGet
2019-03-11 23:52 <osjenkins> * root: Should have been in the last commit
2019-03-12 11:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #6257 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-12 11:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6257: SUCCESS in 7 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6257/
2019-03-12 11:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: try to work around robust shutdown/quit blocking on mono
2019-03-12 11:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #6258 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-12 11:49 <Ubit> do.. not to 
2019-03-12 11:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6258: SUCCESS in 5 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6258/
2019-03-12 11:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Robust: to tell main httpserver to stop on shutdown
2019-03-14 17:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #6259 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-14 17:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6259: SUCCESS in 6 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6259/
2019-03-14 17:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: lludp direct encode object Properties update packets
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2019-03-15 18:09 <Ubit> well some strings..
2019-03-15 18:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #6260 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-15 18:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6260: SUCCESS in 6 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6260/
2019-03-15 18:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: lludp: change zero encode of strings; limit them to what current viewers expect
2019-03-15 18:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #6261 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-15 18:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6261: SUCCESS in 5 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6261/
2019-03-15 18:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: LSL: limit sittext and touchtext to length current viewers cand display
2019-03-15 18:54 <Ubit> why do ll send both lenght and null termination... so silly
2019-03-15 18:54 <Ubit> length
2019-03-15 18:55 <Ubit> think we could no send null term for most viewers, but well
2019-03-15 18:56 <Ubit> could not...
2019-03-15 18:56 <AliciaRaven> yea thats dumb, must be 2 people working with no understanding of the others work
2019-03-15 19:00 <Ubit> some lindens did mess up lludp
2019-03-15 19:00 <Ubit> then went to do a lot worse on http crap
2019-03-15 19:00 <AliciaRaven> probably presure to complete with a deadline, not paying attention lol
2019-03-15 19:01 <Ubit> not to mention same cases where they made lludp thinking it was http
2019-03-15 19:02 <AliciaRaven> im using length specification, avoiding EOS codes, that option seems sloppy and out of date
2019-03-15 19:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #6262 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-15 19:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6262: SUCCESS in 5 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6262/
2019-03-15 19:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor cleanup
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2019-03-16 00:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #6263 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-16 00:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6263: SUCCESS in 5 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6263/
2019-03-16 00:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: lludp direct encode mapblockreply. Not bc its a high volume packet, but bc it needed work anyways
2019-03-16 01:22 <Ubit> grrr why do damm viewers retry http, specially still having the previus connection open ??
2019-03-16 14:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #6264 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-16 14:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6264: ABORTED in 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6264/
2019-03-16 14:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: bug fix on mapblockreply; direct encode mapitemreply just because..
2019-03-16 14:32 <Ubit> hmm aborted?
2019-03-16 14:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #6265 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: ABORTED -- last SUCCESS #6263 13 hr ago)
2019-03-16 14:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6265: SUCCESS in 5 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6265/
2019-03-16 15:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #6266 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-16 15:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6266: SUCCESS in 5 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6266/
2019-03-16 15:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: lludp: direct encode rest of send terseupdates
2019-03-16 17:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #6267 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-16 17:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6267: SUCCESS in 5 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6267/
2019-03-16 17:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: lludp: direct encode CoarseLocationUpdate
2019-03-16 22:18 <osmantis> Bug #6569:04 [PATCH] - Some possible updates to the combat module. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6569 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-17 02:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #6268 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-17 02:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6268: SUCCESS in 5 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6268/
2019-03-17 02:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: lludp: direct encode AvatarAppearance
2019-03-17 18:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #6269 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-17 18:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6269: SUCCESS in 6 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6269/
2019-03-17 18:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: lludp: direct encode PacketAck, StartPingCheck and CompletePingCheck
2019-03-17 19:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #6270 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-17 19:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6270: SUCCESS in 5 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6270/
2019-03-17 19:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove redundant code
2019-03-17 21:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #6271 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-17 21:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6271: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6271/
2019-03-17 21:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: stop sending some useless small packets
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2019-03-18 19:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #6272 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-18 19:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6272: SUCCESS in 7 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6272/
2019-03-18 19:06 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: lludp AgentMovementComplete enconding
2019-03-18 19:06 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: lludp ChatFromSimulator enconding; some simplification
2019-03-18 21:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #6273 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-18 21:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6273: SUCCESS in 6 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6273/
2019-03-18 21:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: lludp ImprovedInstantMessage enconding
2019-03-18 21:17 <osmantis> Bug #8499:04 Region restarts have become very slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8499 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-03-18 21:31 <osmantis> Bug #8499:04 Region restarts have become very slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8499 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-18 21:47 <osmantis> Bug #8500:04 Maptiles are showing skyboxes now. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8500 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-03-18 21:48 <osmantis> Bug #8500:04 Maptiles are showing skyboxes now. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8500 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-18 22:00 <osmantis> Bug #8500:04 Maptiles are showing skyboxes now. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8500 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-18 22:01 <osmantis> Bug #8501:04 Region log image data errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8501 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-03-18 22:07 <osmantis> Bug #8501:04 Region log image data errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8501 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-18 22:07 <Ubit> and that is not region error, its grid, details
2019-03-18 22:08 <Ubit> hmm what was i really breaking?  ahhh that..
2019-03-18 22:09 <osmantis> Bug #8501:04 Region log image data errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8501 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-18 22:10 <BillBlight> These are actually old issues that were talked about right after you changed warp3d MONTHS ago ..
2019-03-18 22:12 <osmantis> Bug #8501:04 Region log image data errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8501 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-03-18 22:13 <Ubit> uff happens over and over, someone cames from 0.8x and Ohhh 
2019-03-18 22:14 <Ubit> but kay had used 0.9 several times
2019-03-18 22:20 <Ubit> to zero or not to zero enc ... :)
2019-03-18 22:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #6274 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-18 22:24 <Ubit> oops
2019-03-18 22:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6274: SUCCESS in 6 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6274/
2019-03-18 22:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: lludp GenericMessage enconding
2019-03-18 22:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #6275 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-18 22:27 <Ubit> rats
2019-03-18 22:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6275: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6275/
2019-03-18 22:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops
2019-03-18 22:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #6276 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-18 22:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6276: SUCCESS in 5 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6276/
2019-03-18 22:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: also fix the ThrottleOutPacketType
2019-03-18 23:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #6277 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-18 23:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6277: SUCCESS in 7 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6277/
2019-03-18 23:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: lludp ReplyTaskInventory, SendXferPacket and AbortXfer enconding
2019-03-18 23:44 <Ubit> ok ok it is encoding :p
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2019-03-19 00:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #6278 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-19 00:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6278: SUCCESS in 6 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6278/
2019-03-19 00:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a few extra checks for viewers animated objects support, to avoid timming issues
2019-03-19 01:58 <osmantis> Bug #8499:04 Region restarts have become very slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8499 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-19 06:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #6279 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-19 06:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6279: SUCCESS in 7 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6279/
2019-03-19 06:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: try save a few ns on parcel overlays
2019-03-19 06:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #6280 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-19 06:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6280: SUCCESS in 5 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6280/
2019-03-19 06:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ooops
2019-03-19 06:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #6281 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-19 06:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6281: SUCCESS in 7 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6281/
2019-03-19 06:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do not send parceloverlay on crossings (may be bad, or not)
2019-03-19 06:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #6282 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-19 07:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6282: SUCCESS in 7 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6282/
2019-03-19 07:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: take the deafult on the parameter overlay
2019-03-19 07:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #6283 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-19 07:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6283: SUCCESS in 6 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6283/
2019-03-19 07:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: UnAckedBytes are in KB
2019-03-19 08:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #6284 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-19 08:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6284: SUCCESS in 6 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6284/
2019-03-19 08:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: lludp SimStats encoding
2019-03-19 09:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #6285 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-19 09:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6285: SUCCESS in 6 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6285/
2019-03-19 09:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: lludp ObjectAnimation encoding
2019-03-19 10:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #6286 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-19 10:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6286: SUCCESS in 6 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6286/
2019-03-19 10:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: try to avoid some useless full object updates
2019-03-19 10:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #6287 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-19 11:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6287: SUCCESS in 5 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6287/
2019-03-19 11:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: recover the UnAckedBytes are in KB fix
2019-03-19 13:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #6288 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-19 13:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6288: SUCCESS in 6 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6288/
2019-03-19 13:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: prevent spurius acceleration values
2019-03-19 17:57 <BillBlight> MEETING TIME
2019-03-19 20:51 <osmantis> Bug #8500:04 Maptiles are showing skyboxes now. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8500 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-19 21:02 <osmantis> Bug #8500:04 Maptiles are showing skyboxes now. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8500 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-19 21:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #6289 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-19 21:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6289: SUCCESS in 7 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6289/
2019-03-19 21:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: LSL update texture entry is heavy, set all parameters on same update
2019-03-19 22:48 <osmantis> Bug #6569:04 [PATCH] - Some possible updates to the combat module. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6569 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-20 14:20 <osmantis> Bug #8502:04 Firewalls block the flow of vivox packets. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8502 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-03-20 14:24 <osmantis> Bug #8371:04 Texture Animate Script Stops Working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8371 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-03-20 14:26 <osmantis> Bug #8371:04 Texture Animate Script Stops Working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8371 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-03-20 14:27 <osmantis> Bug #8502:04 Firewalls block the flow of vivox packets. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8502 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-20 14:34 <osmantis> Bug #8502:04 Firewalls block the flow of vivox packets. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8502 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-20 14:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #6290 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-20 14:45 <osmantis> Bug #8382:04 TP some time fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8382 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-20 14:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6290: SUCCESS in 6 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6290/
2019-03-20 14:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: lludp direct encode RegionHandshake
2019-03-20 15:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #6291 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-20 15:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6291: FAILURE in 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6291/
2019-03-20 15:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: RegionHandshake IS critical llupd protocol not to be done by odd modules
2019-03-20 15:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #6292 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6290 31 min ago)
2019-03-20 15:18 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-03-20 15:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6292: FIXED in 5 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6292/
2019-03-20 15:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file
2019-03-20 15:58 <osmantis> Bug #8502:04 Firewalls block the flow of vivox packets. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8502 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-20 16:05 <osmantis> Bug #8502:04 Firewalls block the flow of vivox packets. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8502 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-20 19:07 <osmantis> Bug #8502:04 Firewalls block the flow of vivox packets. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8502 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-20 19:23 <osmantis> Bug #8502:04 Firewalls block the flow of vivox packets. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8502 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-20 19:23 <osmantis> Bug #8502:04 Firewalls block the flow of vivox packets. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8502 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-20 20:24 <osmantis> Bug #8502:04 Firewalls block the flow of vivox packets. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8502 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-20 20:58 <osmantis> Bug #8502:04 Firewalls block the flow of vivox packets. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8502 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-20 21:44 <BillBlight> hmmm rather than getting all long winded on that mantis should have just answered it with "DUH!!"
2019-03-21 06:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #6293 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-03-21 06:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6293: FAILURE in 3 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6293/
2019-03-21 06:56 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: do send flag PrimFlags.InventoryEmpty
2019-03-21 06:56 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add some code for compressed updates, but disabled, since more changes are needed elsewhere
2019-03-21 07:11 <Ubit> oops
2019-03-21 07:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #6294 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6292 16 hr ago)
2019-03-21 07:21 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-03-21 07:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6294: FIXED in 7 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6294/
2019-03-21 07:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops send flag PrimFlags.InventoryEmpty but do not override others
2019-03-21 20:37 <osmantis> Bug #8381:04 [PATCH] Adding ServerReleaseNotes Caps to OpenSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8381 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-03-21 20:38 <osmantis> Bug #8354:04 [PATCH] Allow Grid owners to regenerate a maptile for a region manually through the use of the God Tools 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8354 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-03-21 20:40 <osmantis> Bug #8499:04 Region restarts have become very slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8499 ): has been ACKNOWLEDGED.
2019-03-21 21:37 <osmantis> Bug #8499:04 Region restarts have become very slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8499 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-21 21:39 <osmantis> Bug #7636:04 Avatars cannot login/verify, Diva distro, standalone + OSG on one PC. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7636 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-21 21:41 <osmantis> Bug #7636:04 Avatars cannot login/verify, Diva distro, standalone + OSG on one PC. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7636 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-21 21:50 <osmantis> Bug #8503:04 When Avi gets up after sitting he makes an unnatural air jump 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8503 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-03-22 13:12 <Tampa> So we show offline for non-friends, but groupsv2 shows online status regardless of friend status so showing offline on profiles as "privacy" measure is useless if the user has groups they belong to
2019-03-22 13:12 <Tampa> Or am I missing the point here?
2019-03-22 15:25 <osmantis> Bug #8504:04 God summon not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8504 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-03-22 17:39 <osmantis> Bug #8504:04 God summon not working 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8504 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-03-23 02:19 <Ubit> ohh where is cia ?
2019-03-23 02:19 <Ubit> oops
2019-03-23 02:20 <Ubit> there it is :)
2019-03-23 02:20 <Ubit> well master mb a bit broken now
2019-03-23 02:20 <Ubit> hope not at least until i tell how to enable the test code
2019-03-23 02:20 <Ubit> :)
2019-03-23 02:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #6295 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-03-23 02:22 <Ubit> err one warning ==
2019-03-23 02:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6295: SUCCESS in 8 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6295/
2019-03-23 02:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add more test code to make usage od compressed updates etc. Should be disable, but well many things can go wrong.
2019-03-23 02:29 <Ubit> gezz calm down.. don't rush asking how to enable the test code
2019-03-23 02:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #6296 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-23 02:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6296: SUCCESS in 5 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6296/
2019-03-23 02:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: pesty warning
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2019-03-23 03:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #6297 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-23 04:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6297: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6297/
2019-03-23 04:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a bit more suicidal...
2019-03-23 04:28 <Ubit> text?? test!!
2019-03-23 04:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #6298 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-23 04:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6298: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6298/
2019-03-23 04:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make the text enable option visible for testing
2019-03-23 08:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #6299 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-23 08:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6299: SUCCESS in 6 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6299/
2019-03-23 08:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix particles encoding on compressedupdate
2019-03-23 08:16 <BillBlight> ok it's working, now wait an hour
2019-03-23 08:16 <BillBlight> LOL
2019-03-23 08:16 <Ubit> :)
2019-03-23 08:18 <Ubit> restart the region
2019-03-23 08:18 <BillBlight> see more stuff in object cache now
2019-03-23 08:18 <Ubit> it should kick in
2019-03-23 08:20 <BillBlight> Ok restarted  and I'm logged back in
2019-03-23 08:22 <BillBlight> and so humble too
2019-03-23 08:23 <Ubit> Ohh humble, of course :)
2019-03-23 12:27 <osmantis> Bug #8259:04 Presence in Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8259 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-23 12:36 <osmantis> Bug #8505:04 Regression: Mesh Texturing Issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8505 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-03-23 13:00 <osmantis> Bug #8411:04 Coalesced items in inventory are no longer shown with the coalesced item icon and other inventory weirdness 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8411 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-03-23 13:08 <osmantis> Bug #8505:04 Regression: Mesh Texturing Issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8505 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-23 13:15 <osmantis> Bug #8505:04 Regression: Mesh Texturing Issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8505 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-23 13:19 <osmantis> Bug #8506:04 Some coalesced items in inventory refuse to rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8506 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-03-23 13:26 <osmantis> Bug #8506:04 Some coalesced items in inventory refuse to rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8506 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-03-23 15:33 <osmantis> Bug #8505:04 Regression: Mesh Texturing Issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8505 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-23 15:35 <osmantis> Bug #8506:04 Some coalesced items in inventory refuse to rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-23 15:37 <osmantis> Bug #8505:04 Regression: Mesh Texturing Issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8505 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-23 15:55 <osmantis> Bug #8505:04 Regression: Mesh Texturing Issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8505 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-23 16:28 <osmantis> Bug #8505:04 Regression: Mesh Texturing Issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8505 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-23 16:35 <osmantis> Bug #8505:04 Regression: Mesh Texturing Issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8505 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-23 22:15 <osmantis> Bug #8506:04 Some coalesced items in inventory refuse to rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8506 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-03-23 23:33 <Ubit> oops wrong mantis
2019-03-23 23:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #6300 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-23 23:36 <osmantis> Bug #8505:04 Regression: Mesh Texturing Issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8505 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-23 23:38 <osmantis> Bug #8506:04 Some coalesced items in inventory refuse to rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-23 23:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6300: SUCCESS in 6 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6300/
2019-03-23 23:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8506: parse highlod mesh and compare its number of prim faces to the number of faces provided and warn mismatch
2019-03-24 00:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #6301 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-24 00:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6301: SUCCESS in 5 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6301/
2019-03-24 00:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: compact the trivial te case, a more complete one may be needed even beening heavy
2019-03-24 01:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #6302 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-24 01:52 <Ubit> numbre ??
2019-03-24 01:53 <Ubit> my keyboard is so silly
2019-03-24 01:53 <BillBlight> yeah it's the keybord for sure
2019-03-24 01:56 <Ubit> bahh just go test :p
2019-03-24 01:56 <Ubit> hihihih
2019-03-24 01:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6302: SUCCESS in 5 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6302/
2019-03-24 01:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8505 ( and not 8506 by mistake on previus commit) remove the meshes numbre of sides warning. build prims with the number of sides of the high LOD submesh
2019-03-24 01:57 <Ubit> outreach still alive?
2019-03-24 01:57 <Ubit> well guess not one went there :)
2019-03-24 01:57 <BillBlight> let you know in a minute
2019-03-24 01:57 <BillBlight> updating to your latest breakage
2019-03-24 01:57 <Ubit> odd issues on tps to lbsa and other osg regions
2019-03-24 01:58 <Ubit> damm tps grrrr
2019-03-24 01:58 <Ubit> lets remove tps..  make ppl relog all the time :)
2019-03-24 07:02 <osmantis> Bug #8507:04 UbODE and Bulletsim are not compatible. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8507 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-03-24 07:07 <osmantis> Bug #8507:04 UbODE and Bulletsim are not compatible. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8507 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-24 07:35 <BillBlight> Pretty sure that issue is also do to avatar capsule and hover height, but oh well , here we go again ..
2019-03-24 07:37 <osmantis> Bug #8259:04 Presence in Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8259 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-24 07:37 <BillBlight> I have seen this issue when people use full mesh avatars with alphas their actuall feat are just a touch in the ground, and but alphaed out, this causes them to impact with objects differently in the two different engines.
2019-03-24 07:42 <osmantis> Bug #8259:04 Presence in Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8259 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-24 07:45 <BillBlight> I'm going to loose my patience ...
2019-03-24 07:45 <BillBlight> ;)
2019-03-24 08:33 <osmantis> Bug #8507:04 UbODE and Bulletsim are not compatible. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8507 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-24 08:42 <osmantis> Bug #8507:04 UbODE and Bulletsim are not compatible. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8507 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-24 08:46 <osmantis> Bug #8507:04 UbODE and Bulletsim are not compatible. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8507 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-24 16:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #6303 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-24 16:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6303: SUCCESS in 7 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6303/
2019-03-24 16:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: some more changes on objects sending
2019-03-24 17:52 <Ubit> actually contrary to what i said region restarts ( for now) invalidate objects cache
2019-03-24 17:53 <Ubit> a new objects field needs to be stored on region db to avoid that
2019-03-24 17:54 <Ubit> but for now its value is kind of a hack
2019-03-24 17:56 <Ubit> well or then proper calculated.. 
2019-03-24 18:14 <osmantis> Bug #8259:04 Presence in Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8259 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-24 18:48 <osmantis> Bug #8259:04 Presence in Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8259 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-24 20:41 <osmantis> Bug #8259:04 Presence in Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8259 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-24 20:47 <osmantis> Bug #8259:04 Presence in Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8259 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-03-24 20:50 <osmantis> Bug #8259:04 Presence in Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8259 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-03-24 20:59 <osmantis> Bug #8507:04 UbODE and Bulletsim are not compatible. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8507 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-03-25 02:26 <misterblue> why is opensimulator.org returning 404s? did I miss something?
2019-03-25 02:27 <BillBlight> comes up for me
2019-03-25 02:34 <Plugh> and for me
2019-03-25 02:37 <misterblue> just my strange connectivity, I guess
2019-03-25 07:14 <osmantis> Bug #8507:04 UbODE and Bulletsim are not compatible. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8507 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-25 07:20 <osmantis> Bug #8507:04 UbODE and Bulletsim are not compatible. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8507 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-25 07:40 <osmantis> Bug #8508:04 Issues with an attachement-script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8508 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-03-25 08:03 <osmantis> Bug #8507:04 UbODE and Bulletsim are not compatible. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8507 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-25 08:05 <BillBlight> That Xantis guy is annoying, really annoying, totally annoying, did I mention annoying ...
2019-03-25 08:24 <osmantis> Bug #8259:04 Presence in Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8259 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-25 08:24 <osmantis> Bug #8507:04 UbODE and Bulletsim are not compatible. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8507 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-25 08:28 <BillBlight> I'm going to mark that mantis as resolved, as it is a old issue that is based in education not in "bugs"
2019-03-25 08:30 <osmantis> Bug #8507:04 UbODE and Bulletsim are not compatible. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8507 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-03-25 11:58 <osmantis> Bug #8259:04 Presence in Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8259 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-25 12:16 <osmantis> Bug #8259:04 Presence in Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8259 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-25 12:20 <osmantis> Bug #8259:04 Presence in Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8259 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-25 17:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #6304 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-25 17:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6304: SUCCESS in 7 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6304/
2019-03-25 17:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: we should be able to zeroencode compressedupdates
2019-03-26 11:30 <osmantis> Bug #8259:04 Presence in Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8259 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-03-26 14:48 <tglion> hi
2019-03-26 14:59 <Ubit> hi
2019-03-26 15:00 <Ubit> hmm lbsa still seems alive 
2019-03-26 15:02 <Ubit> and dev outreach :)
2019-03-26 16:55 <BillBlight> 1 hour 5 minutes till meeting , for all you that changed time this past weekend
2019-03-26 17:00 <osmantis> Bug #8503:04 When Avi gets up after sitting he makes an unnatural air jump 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8503 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-26 17:04 <osmantis> Bug #8259:04 Presence in Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8259 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-26 17:07 <Ubit> we will change next sunday Bill
2019-03-26 17:08 <BillBlight> oh yeah, the last sunday, for some reason I was thinking it was this past sunday
2019-03-26 17:08 <BillBlight> See what I get for thinking
2019-03-26 17:08 <Tampa> Best to leave that to the horses, they got a bigger head for it
2019-03-26 17:09 <Ubit> well change is at 0:00 guess that counts as sunday
2019-03-26 17:10 <Ubit> odd it wasn't like this
2019-03-26 17:10 <Ubit> winter time is from 0:00 to 23:00  ie back to Saturday non sense
2019-03-26 17:11 <Ubit> think it used to be 1:00 to 0.00
2019-03-26 17:11 <Ubit> it is a hour change, not a day change... grrr
2019-03-26 17:11 <Ubit> whatever
2019-03-26 17:12 <Ubit> ( or was even 2:00 to 1:00 )
2019-03-26 17:13 <Ubit> how was it in usa?
2019-03-26 17:14 <BillBlight> We change at 2am here, so 0200 becomes 0300 in the spring
2019-03-26 17:15 <Ubit> that is was makes sense
2019-03-26 17:16 <Ubit> uff guess some politician decided to change here..   going back to saturday what a stupid thing
2019-03-26 17:18 <Ubit> i mean next October )
2019-03-26 17:19 <Ubit> err forget.. i was looking on a newspaper
2019-03-26 17:20 <Ubit> the change does happen at 1:00 utc
2019-03-26 17:21 <Ubit> so now will be from 1:00 to 2:00
2019-03-26 17:22 <Ubit> and October from 2:00 to 1:00  no day change :)
2019-03-26 17:22 <Ubit> damm jornalists lol
2019-03-26 17:24 <Ubit> well and EU delayed the decision to stop chaning to 2021
2019-03-27 02:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #6305 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-27 02:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6305: SUCCESS in 7 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6305/
2019-03-27 02:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: timming issues on fast tp back to same region on new code
2019-03-27 02:53 <CrasherRob> I have 4 sims running and OpenSim.log has disappeared from all of them. Restarting restores the logs. Am I the only one to see this glitch?
2019-03-27 02:54 <Ubit> guess you are
2019-03-27 02:54 <BillBlight> log is controled by the OpenSim.exe.config, and that has not changed in ages ..
2019-03-27 02:54 <Ubit> at least the first to talk about it here :)
2019-03-27 02:54 <Ubit> yeah check if you lost any of those *.config
2019-03-27 03:01 <CrasherRob> BillBlight, I had the logs and now they are gone. Restarting the sims restarts the logs. I must have accidentally deleted them myself somehow.
2019-03-27 06:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #6306 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2019-03-27 06:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: timming issues on fast tp back to same region on new code
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2019-03-27 07:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: try another way
2019-03-27 09:19 <osmantis> Bug #8508:04 Issues with an attachment-script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8508 ): has been UPDATED.
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2019-03-27 09:42 <Ai_Austin> Hi.. is @Ubit on?
2019-03-27 09:42 <Ubit> no
2019-03-27 09:42 <Ubit> oops
2019-03-27 09:42 <Ubit> :)
2019-03-27 09:42 <Ubit> hi ai
2019-03-27 09:42 <Ai_Austin> I just tried the latest git master with the fixes for the short time scale TP return.
2019-03-27 09:43 <Ubit> so slow tps
2019-03-27 09:43 <Ubit> do..
2019-03-27 09:43 <Ai_Austin> Last working version I have that allowed for a return without waiting aboit 15-20 seconds was 715.
2019-03-27 09:43 <Ai_Austin> Since then I always wait for around 20 seconds before returning else the terrain is missing on the region you return to.
2019-03-27 09:44 <Ubit> did you set the viewerobjectscache on?
2019-03-27 09:44 <Ubit> yes
2019-03-27 09:44 <Ai_Austin> I install 911 with today's three changes @Ubit. This time a return in say 5 seconds crashes the viewer.
2019-03-27 09:44 <Ubit> 17seconds is the time
2019-03-27 09:44 <Ai_Austin> Is that a new parameter in OpenSimDefailts.ini @Ubit?
2019-03-27 09:45 <Ai_Austin> I made no change to anything in te default OpenSimDefaults.ini
2019-03-27 09:45 <Ubit> yes to enable a exp feature
2019-03-27 09:46 <Ubit> hmm so you now also have crashes even with it off ??
2019-03-27 09:46 <Ai_Austin> Okay. I can try that.  Note though that as it stands the default setups will; crash teh fviewer. I repeated it by TPing away and back in about 5 seconds.
2019-03-27 09:46 <Ubit> odd im not having crashs
2019-03-27 09:46 <Ai_Austin> Yep... viewer crash in latest Firestorm. Can I help with any specific test?
2019-03-27 09:46 <Ubit> except from one particular region running a fokr
2019-03-27 09:46 <Ubit> fork
2019-03-27 09:47 <Ubit> was commenting that also with dan
2019-03-27 09:47 <Ubit> osg lbsa is on the last code also
2019-03-27 09:47 <Ai_Austin> Its instant on TP Home return in about 5 seconds after arrival at other grid.  I was movign between AiLand (911) and openvue (on 908)
2019-03-27 09:47 <Ai_Austin> I just use the main git master
2019-03-27 09:47 <Ai_Austin> all regions simple 256x256
2019-03-27 09:48 <Ubit> i even tested to/from 0.9.0 region on osg and no crash
2019-03-27 09:48 <Ai_Austin> 3 regions were running in OpenSim.exe if that is relevant
2019-03-27 09:48 <Ubit> except that one on that fork
2019-03-27 09:49 <Ubit> commit "make the text enable option visible for testing
2019-03-27 09:49 <Ubit> "
2019-03-27 09:49 <Ubit> where text means test lol
2019-03-27 09:49 <Ubit> ; experimental feature, things may still go very wrong
2019-03-27 09:49 <Ubit> 	; SupportViewerObjectsCache = false
2019-03-27 09:50 <Ubit> in [ClientStack.LindenUDP]
2019-03-27 09:52 <Ai_Austin> Do you want me to set that (to false) in my openSim.ini and test again to make sure the experimental feature is off.
2019-03-27 09:52 <Ai_Austin> I alwerady have it as false in(the default) OpenSimDefaults.ini
2019-03-27 09:52 <Ubit> false is the default :)
2019-03-27 09:53 <Ubit> it a feature needing test
2019-03-27 09:53 <Ubit> at least with slow tps
2019-03-27 09:53 <Ubit> since the fast are crashing even with false
2019-03-27 09:54 <Ai_Austin> Let me clarify.  I get the viewer crash (new bug) with current git master defaults in commit today (911) and not altering SupportViewerObjectsCache = false
2019-03-27 09:54 <Ai_Austin> Do you wnat me to set the paramtere to true and test again?
2019-03-27 09:54 <Ubit> yes
2019-03-27 09:55 <Ai_Austin> 715 a whiel ago allowed rapid TPs... not sure if thatw as just a temporary "benefit" of some other change
2019-03-27 09:55 <Ubit> that feature as yes needs testing :)
2019-03-27 09:55 <Ai_Austin> okay .. testign now
2019-03-27 09:56 <Ubit> well we where not sending terrain and objects on the same comand viewers expected
2019-03-27 09:56 <Ubit> to use that new feature we need to send them on another comand now 
2019-03-27 09:57 <Ubit> and thats a extra timming problem
2019-03-27 09:57 <Ubit> odd i have no crashs on my test grid
2019-03-27 09:57 <Ubit> grrr
2019-03-27 09:58 <Ai_Austin> it looks totally erepeatable on my tests
2019-03-27 09:59 <Ai_Austin> testing the  = true now will report back soon
2019-03-27 09:59 <Ubit> ty
2019-03-27 10:00 <Ai_Austin> Okay.  AiLand now on 911 with extra SupportViewerObjectsCache = true in my OpenSim.ini [ClientStack.LindenUDP]
2019-03-27 10:01 <Ai_Austin> TP to 908 grid (openvue).. wait 5 secionds and TP home.  Firestorm immediately crashes.
2019-03-27 10:01 <Ubit> ok try on slow mode
2019-03-27 10:01 <Ai_Austin> 17 seconds?
2019-03-27 10:01 <Ubit> 17 + 1 safe :)
2019-03-27 10:01 <paela> 50 sec
2019-03-27 10:01 <paela> or crash
2019-03-27 10:01 <paela> ;)
2019-03-27 10:02 <Ai_Austin> 20 to be sure...That's what I usually sit around waitign for when testing :-)
2019-03-27 10:02 <Ubit> look to prims rez time
2019-03-27 10:02 <Ubit> first time on a region should be +- as before
2019-03-27 10:02 <Ai_Austin> 20 is okay usually paela :-)
2019-03-27 10:03 <Ubit> go out and retunr ( ie total close to the 50s of paela :p )
2019-03-27 10:03 <Ai_Austin> hmmm. hmmm.  waitign for 20 second ;-)
2019-03-27 10:03 <Ubit> if you look to console is when it says the avatar left the house :)
2019-03-27 10:04 <Ai_Austin> that works fine - still have SupportViewerObjectsCache = true note.
2019-03-27 10:04 <Ai_Austin> Console for the 911 (AiLand) region shows perfecetly sensible messages... it things the other grid reconnected the agent when the crashes aoccured
2019-03-27 10:04 <Ai_Austin> I meant that in crash case
2019-03-27 10:05 <Ai_Austin> yep.  I realise that. noted.
2019-03-27 10:06 <Ai_Austin> so with slow TP and waitign 20 secods its okay, but now on rapid return it crashes viewer ratyhjer than just not displaying terrain in return region, adjacent regions on same OpenSim.exe do show which si what made me think things were NEARLY there in 715.
2019-03-27 10:06 <Ubit> i said no rapid return
2019-03-27 10:06 <Ubit> i said to compare prims rez time lol
2019-03-27 10:07 <Ubit> on SLOW tps
2019-03-27 10:07 <Ai_Austin> oh. I see.
2019-03-27 10:07 <Ai_Austin> onto it
2019-03-27 10:08 <Ubit> ( so you can see the new feature, well or not :) )
2019-03-27 10:08 <Ai_Austin> I thought the essentilally were instant aleady for a region I had just been on?  Maybe not
2019-03-27 10:10 <Ai_Austin> Region I returned to (after slow TP) did not really have that much on it and was essentaially alerday teher except for oen or two etxtures burry and firmning up in a few seconds. Adjacent region (on same OpenSim.exe) looked to have things rezing about same speed as before
2019-03-27 10:10 <Ai_Austin> I will need to test between some denser regions to see if there is a difference when te parameter is =true or =false.
2019-03-27 10:11 <Ai_Austin> If you want to try a crash... I am on SAiLand at hop://ai.vue.ed.ac.uk:8002/AiLand/126/130/26
2019-03-27 10:11 <Ai_Austin> I TP to Openvue (not updated with latest 3 patches) via a TP board and then return to AiLand
2019-03-27 10:11 <Ubit> i have paula code region to crash me :)
2019-03-27 10:12 <Ai_Austin> :-)
2019-03-27 10:13 <Ubit> noticed any diference?
2019-03-27 10:15 <Ai_Austin> tricky to say on a region that doe snot have much content. I will switvh = false and compare
2019-03-27 10:16 <Ai_Austin> AiLand now back to =false and will etst again when it has started
2019-03-27 10:17 <Ubit> and dif is on returning after beeing there afeter a region restart
2019-03-27 10:18 <Ai_Austin> ah.  okay.  
2019-03-27 10:18 <Ai_Austin> I was just testing on a TP return with server constantly running
2019-03-27 10:19 <Ai_Austin> I can test that now
2019-03-27 10:20 <paela> lol i can switch fast my grid to osgrid osgrid my grid but after tp again fast in osgrid crash
2019-03-27 10:21 <Ubit> ohh you are testing HG
2019-03-27 10:22 <paela> ya and same problem
2019-03-27 10:22 <Ubit> on same grid if new versions, time can be less than 17 now
2019-03-27 10:23 <Ubit> but well things should survice if less than those 17s
2019-03-27 10:24 <Ai_Austin> I just logged back in with parameter = true on server and server restarted and I would say theer is not much difference in rezz times.. lookig across to a heavier region that often takes 10 secods to rezz everything (an OpenVCE OAR region) it was about same with paraklmeter = true
2019-03-27 10:24 <Ubit> ai
2019-03-27 10:24 <Ubit> i said on RETURN to same region after been that after a restart
2019-03-27 10:24 <Ai_Austin> I was testigjn HG between AiLand grid and a region on Openvue in my crash report Ubit
2019-03-27 10:24 <Ubit> ie restart..  go there, get out, return
2019-03-27 10:25 <Ubit> same position on region
2019-03-27 10:25 <Ubit> or just log directly wait rez then relog
2019-03-27 10:26 <Ai_Austin> yep, thats what I did. AiLand grid home region. log out. stop and restart server, log back in let everythi9ng rez. HG TP to Openvue region, wait 20 seconds and return.. observe rez time. atrricval region only has a few hundred objects so is essentially instnat (as it always is) and adjacent region rezzed about same speed as usual. 
2019-03-27 10:26 <Ai_Austin> same postuion ecah time as I am usign TP home in viewer
2019-03-27 10:27 <Ai_Austin> right. On AiLand. paremeter = true
2019-03-27 10:27 <Ai_Austin> all rezzed. will log out restart server and log back in and observe again?
2019-03-27 10:27 <paela> kill agent ?
2019-03-27 10:27 <Ubit> well a few 100  rez fast any ways :)
2019-03-27 10:27 <Tampa> So much more stuff you could waste time on that would actually be of benefit beyond attempting to make teleports work on timescales that just aren't stable
2019-03-27 10:28 <paela> tampa when you have 150 sim in rental  and you need check if the tp work in all
2019-03-27 10:28 <paela> you can not have time wait 20 sec !
2019-03-27 10:29 <Ubit> well as i said on more recent code if tp is in same grid, time is not that
2019-03-27 10:30 <Ubit> on arrival the region tells the other to kill the child agent
2019-03-27 10:30 <Ubit> that is why i have no crash on my test grid
2019-03-27 10:30 <paela> Now i need compare my code if the new change for see what is break loose time thanks you !
2019-03-27 10:30 <Tampa> That's not a realistic justification when proper setup generally ensures tp does not break. If you run to the store and back expect to lose your groceries once in a while.
2019-03-27 10:30 <paela> blablabla Tampa
2019-03-27 10:30 <paela> you are the king of looser you know !
2019-03-27 10:31 <Ubit> tampa go see if are next door :p
2019-03-27 10:31 <Ubit> if we are...
2019-03-27 10:31 <Ubit> :)
2019-03-27 10:31 <Tampa> Very mature behavior...
2019-03-27 10:31 <Ubit> still here? go look
2019-03-27 10:32 <paela> i do not think other way better for answer you today you are all times for critick all but never try help to resolve, that what have said 2 months ago you are a parasit man 
2019-03-27 10:35 <Ubit> hmm did last tp crahs ai entire machine? :)
2019-03-27 10:35 <Ai_Austin> lost IRC for a moment
2019-03-27 10:35 <Ubit> we noticed :)
2019-03-27 10:36 <Ai_Austin> I have to go out shortly but will check in mid afternoon (UK time) and see if I can get further. Main thing for now is that with default settings on latest 3 patches viewer will carash on returns in a short time.
2019-03-27 10:36 <paela> No worry you have loose nothing :)
2019-03-27 10:36 <Ai_Austin> bye for now
2019-03-27 10:37 <Ubit> well from losing terrain or a few prims on fast tps we went to full crash
2019-03-27 10:37 <Ubit> nice 
2019-03-27 10:37 <paela> well in all case if the region have not load the user need to relog
2019-03-27 10:37 <paela> in all case is same :P
2019-03-27 10:37 <Ubit> yeap
2019-03-27 10:37 <paela> save time for the user
2019-03-27 10:37 <paela> hahaha
2019-03-27 10:38 <Ubit> :)
2019-03-27 10:38 <Ubit> see why we crash from siren?
2019-03-27 10:38 <paela> na i will compare your code with my code for see what i can change for resolve that
2019-03-27 10:38 <paela> but not today
2019-03-27 10:38 <paela> =)
2019-03-27 10:38 <Ubit> you do not have that speedup code i did add weeks ago
2019-03-27 10:38 <Ubit> hmm or month
2019-03-27 10:39 <Ubit> but even so.. there should be no crash
2019-03-27 10:40 <paela> Need look code maybe have make clear presence very easy lol
2019-03-27 10:41 <Ubit> i do see failed presence checks at osg
2019-03-27 10:41 <Ubit> did you added any cleanup code on the db ?
2019-03-27 10:42 <paela> lets me look 
2019-03-27 10:42 <paela> ya we have a cron clear zombie
2019-03-27 10:43 <Ubit> well mb cleaning no so zombies
2019-03-27 10:43 <paela> after look the shell
2019-03-27 10:43 <paela> that clear only if a user are loged 1 month
2019-03-27 10:44 <Ubit> there are reasons why we still did not tried to add auto clean :)
2019-03-27 10:44 <paela> and other think wrong config region example local host
2019-03-27 10:44 <paela> blabla
2019-03-27 10:44 <Ubit> see my im at osg
2019-03-27 10:48 <paela> open fs with console
2019-03-27 10:48 <paela> and try sirens in fast tp
2019-03-27 10:48 <paela> look the loop
2019-03-27 10:49 <paela> have found why well that concern my code i need edit it 
2019-03-27 10:49 <Ubit> not basicly yr code
2019-03-27 10:49 <Ubit> its a damm old opensim issue
2019-03-27 10:51 <Ubit> lol
2019-03-27 10:51 <Ubit> seen a shutdown :)
2019-03-27 10:52 <Ubit> and my speed up is no help on hg
2019-03-27 14:07 <osmantis> Bug #8259:04 Presence in Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8259 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-27 14:11 <osmantis> Bug #8259:04 Presence in Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8259 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-03-27 14:12 <BillBlight> For someone who said he was done talking about that, he sure has talked a lot about it ..
2019-03-27 14:41 <Ai_Austin> Just to note I am back and could do a bit more testing of the last 3 commits (up to 911) for rapid TPs. At the moment I rolled AiLand grid back to 908.
2019-03-27 14:43 <Ai_Austin> I suggest I stick with the default configuration in dev master where SupportViewerObjectsCache = false to just pin down teh issue of the Firestorm viewer crash on rapid HG teleport out and back.
2019-03-27 14:44 <Ai_Austin> I can later do some more controlled testing to give feedback to @Ubit on SupportViewerObjectsCache = true.
2019-03-27 14:45 <BillBlight> Well the rapid tp was disscused ad nauseam, and suicidal TP's are Never a good idea in the first place ..
2019-03-27 14:45 <Ai_Austin> By rapid I mean under 20 seconds (17 @Ubit tells me) Bill.
2019-03-27 14:45 <BillBlight> for local
2019-03-27 14:45 <Ai_Austin> This used to woprk fine until commit 715
2019-03-27 14:45 <BillBlight> not HG
2019-03-27 14:46 <Ai_Austin> After 715 the terrain for the region you return to is lost.  but oddly the terrain for the surrounding regions on teh same OpenSimn.,exe instance are fine!
2019-03-27 14:47 <BillBlight> The concensus was always wait MORE than 20 seconds before tp'ing again regardless, but can't stop people from doing what they think they need to do ..
2019-03-27 14:47 <Ai_Austin> :-)
2019-03-27 14:48 <Ai_Austin> Its not actually unusualy to HG out... arrive somewhere where its a mess or the wrogn region or drop into a social situation you are not intended to arrive in, drop into a script protected "go away" zone, etc and want to go home. 20 seconds is actually quite a long time in such circumstanes.
2019-03-27 14:48 <BillBlight> Personally I'd rather have a working ViewerObjectCache than the ability to do suicidal highly caffienated TP's
2019-03-27 14:49 <BillBlight> If your strength of will can't hold out for 20 seconds , you have other issues ... :P
2019-03-27 14:50 <Ai_Austin> I will investigate the SupportViewerObectsCache = true option.  I don't usually have an issue with the rez speed of items on TP.. thats is far less than waiting 20 secs to TP back in my setups.  but fo coyurse milage will vary and object caches could be VETY useful in many situations.
2019-03-27 14:51 <BillBlight> Well yes since we never had it before, and it works in SL, and in our tests it makes a big difference in frequently visited regions
2019-03-27 14:51 <BillBlight> Tested it on a region with 24k prims and on returning they load INSTANTLY the whole region
2019-03-27 14:51 <Ai_Austin> But as @Ubit knws now, we have a more serious problem at teh moment with dev master as we get a fviewer crash (rather than just lost terrain) with the changes made in those last 3 commits
2019-03-27 14:51 <Ai_Austin> Understood Bill. Thats good.
2019-03-27 14:51 <BillBlight> Yeah I know started testing with him 12 hours ago
2019-03-27 14:52 <Ai_Austin> Happy to do any specific etstign that helps. Just now I reverted to 908
2019-03-27 14:52 <Ai_Austin> *testing
2019-03-27 14:53 <Ai_Austin> Viewer crashes but OpenSim.exe stays workign fine... just things incoming (returning) avatar/agent stays in the other grid as the viewer crashes
2019-03-27 14:53 <Ai_Austin> *thinks
2019-03-27 14:53 <BillBlight> Only FS crashes, we tested with other viewers and they don't outright crash
2019-03-27 14:53 <Ai_Austin> Good
2019-03-27 14:54 <Ai_Austin> I will watch things as they develop then and test any changes made as soon as I can. Cheers.
2019-03-27 14:54 <Ai_Austin> back to paper reviewing!
2019-03-28 00:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #6308 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2019-03-28 00:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: changes on teleports v7
2019-03-28 01:15 <Ubit> damm where are our guinea pigs??
2019-03-28 01:15 <Ubit> :)
2019-03-28 01:24 <Plugh> Hiding from you. :)
2019-03-28 01:25 <Ubit> so it seems :)
2019-03-28 02:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #6309 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2019-03-28 02:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8508: ignore llAttachToAvatar if already attached
2019-03-28 13:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #6310 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-28 13:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6310: SUCCESS in 7 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6310/
2019-03-28 13:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Yengine: fix scripts resume on attachments drop
2019-03-28 14:50 <Ubit> oops
2019-03-28 14:50 <Ubit> 
ACTION hides

2019-03-28 14:50 <Ubit> :)
2019-03-28 14:50 <Ai_Austin> Hi @Ubit... I was travelling away from Edinburgh when I did the TP tests with commit version 911 yesterday... but am back in Edinburgh now. I just tried the latest version 913 which includes the change at 912 for "changes to teleport v7" but that still crashes on a HG teleport when you go out and then try to come back "quickly" - back using Teleport Home after about 5 seconds. With 908 a rapid teleport just has the terrain mis
2019-03-28 14:50 <Ai_Austin> No hiding :-)
2019-03-28 14:51 <Ai_Austin>  I still keep 715 handy as that was the last version I had installed which allowed rapid teleports without issues (as far as I could tell). I will be catching up since I was away for a week, but if there is any specific test you want me to do, or if you would prefer I start a Mantis Issue just let me know.
2019-03-28 14:51 <Ubit> all on last version ?
2019-03-28 14:52 <Ai_Austin> AiLand that I was going out of and back to on latest version (913).  just running Robust and one OpenSim.exe instance with 3 regions. HG I went to was Openvue grid (which is on 908) 
2019-03-28 14:52 <Ubit> hg changes will only work if regions on new code
2019-03-28 14:53 <Ubit> start and end
2019-03-28 14:53 <Ai_Austin> yep, regions as well as Robust are on 913.
2019-03-28 14:53 <Ai_Austin> you mean the DESTIMATION grid has to be 913 as well?
2019-03-28 14:53 <Ubit> yes
2019-03-28 14:53 <Ubit> or the region
2019-03-28 14:54 <Ai_Austin> we can't legislate for the destination end as that could be ANY grid - even very old ones
2019-03-28 14:54 <Ubit> grid did not had much changes
2019-03-28 14:54 <Ubit> well what can we do if they don't upgrade?
2019-03-28 14:54 <Ai_Austin> we can't have it crashing the viewer surely?
2019-03-28 14:55 <Ubit> can't do anything on that
2019-03-28 14:55 <Ubit> and slow tps has always been the recomendation
2019-03-28 14:55 <Ai_Austin> I can understand that we might say rapid teleports will have issues - such as losing the terrain. but a crash?
2019-03-28 14:56 <Ubit> crash is good.. faster was the to needed relog :p
2019-03-28 14:56 <Ubit> faster way :p
2019-03-28 14:56 <Ai_Austin> hehe... I can though test by updating openvue to 913 and seeing if that works now Ubit.
2019-03-28 14:57 <Ubit> rec is still slow tps
2019-03-28 14:57 <Ubit> there are more reasons.. 
2019-03-28 14:57 <Ai_Austin> No good tryign OSGrid as a destination though as that is on something around 24-Mar-2019 commits
2019-03-28 14:57 <Ai_Austin> okay.
2019-03-28 14:57 <Ubit> like allowing viewers to do their things
2019-03-28 14:58 <Ubit> lbsa is on last
2019-03-28 14:58 <Ubit> and dev outreach
2019-03-28 14:58 <Ai_Austin> I am just doing some catchup but latyer I will try AiLand and Openvue grid BOTH on latest dev master and report back
2019-03-28 14:58 <Ai_Austin> lbsa meaning with today's fixes?
2019-03-28 14:58 <Ubit> yes lbsa and dev outreach regions at osgrid are on last code
2019-03-28 14:58 <Ai_Austin> if so I can etst right now
2019-03-28 14:59 <Ubit> well almost last
2019-03-28 14:59 <Ai_Austin> "almost"?  I have updated to latest opensim region build (24-Mar-2019) but that will not crash
2019-03-28 14:59 <Ai_Austin> its teh changes you made yesterday that caus ethe viewer crash
2019-03-28 14:59 <Ubit> i made a commit a hour or do ago
2019-03-28 14:59 <Ai_Austin> ah good.  hang on then I will test now
2019-03-28 15:00 <Ubit> but on yengine issue
2019-03-28 15:00 <Ubit> not this
2019-03-28 15:04 <Ubit> on tps one should always allow things to rez inventory to load etc bc tp again
2019-03-28 15:04 <Ubit> or viewers may overload avaible http connections etc etc
2019-03-28 15:06 <Ai_Austin> TP AiLand grid on 913 to OSGrid lbsa plaza and returning within 5 secods worked Ubit
2019-03-28 15:06 <Ai_Austin> :-)
2019-03-28 15:06 <Ai_Austin> any way to prevent teh crash though.. its not ideal
2019-03-28 15:06 <Ubit> ok about voc.. return lbsa and look rez time
2019-03-28 15:06 <Ai_Austin> must go.  back later
2019-03-28 15:06 <Ubit> ok
2019-03-28 15:53 <BillBlight> Prevent the crash by not doing suicidal TP's
2019-03-28 16:05 <Tampa> Don't say that too loud you'll upset paela ;P
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2019-03-30 12:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #6311 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-30 12:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6311: FAILURE in 4 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6311/
2019-03-30 12:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few more changes on initial objects send
2019-03-30 12:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #6312 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6310 1 day 23 hr ago)
2019-03-30 12:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6312: STILL FAILING in 3 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6312/
2019-03-30 12:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make 2 tests happy again
2019-03-30 12:54 <Ubit> grrr
2019-03-30 12:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #6313 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #6310 1 day 23 hr ago)
2019-03-30 13:02 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-03-30 13:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6313: FIXED in 5 min 36 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6313/
2019-03-30 13:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file
2019-03-30 15:54 <osmantis> Bug #8509:04 Unable to upload some rigged mesh items 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8509 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-03-30 19:41 <osmantis> Bug #8506:04 Some coalesced items in inventory refuse to rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8506 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-30 19:46 <CrasherRob> In commit 9da1ca (2019-03-02,) the controls for Allow_osSetPrimitiveParams were moved to an "out of threat level control" section of osslEnable.ini. However, OSSL_Api.cs for osSetPrimitiveParams still has a CheckThreatLevel(ThreatLevel.High) statement. I'm confused about what the threat level actually is and whether or not it can be changed.
2019-03-30 19:52 <CrasherRob> (I only found this because I do a release to release diff/patch and I had already lowered the threat level for this function. The update patch failed.)
2019-03-30 20:10 <CrasherRob> OK, verified that the function fails with a threat level failure... So the threat level is actually high...
2019-03-30 20:32 <CrasherRob> ...And the Allow_osSetPrimitiveParams remains functional. So, the changes to osslEnable.ini made in that commit don't match the current implementation.
2019-03-30 22:32 <osmantis> Bug #8509:04 Unable to upload some rigged mesh items 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8509 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-31 01:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #6314 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-03-31 01:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6314: SUCCESS in 6 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6314/
2019-03-31 01:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix osSet/GetPrimitiveParams threat level
2019-03-31 04:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #6315 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-31 04:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6315: SUCCESS in 6 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6315/
2019-03-31 04:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do clear MOAP on remove
2019-03-31 19:02 <AliciaRaven> sunday slow down strikes again
2019-03-31 19:18 <Ubit> yeap 
2019-03-31 19:18 <Ubit> guess it will fail also just because mysql
2019-03-31 19:28 <osmantis> Bug #8510:04 Group invite to avatar who is not online is not delivered and blocks subsequent invites to that avatar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8510 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-03-31 19:29 <osmantis> Bug #8510:04 Group invite to avatar who is not online is not delivered and blocks subsequent invites to that avatar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8510 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-03-31 19:48 <osmantis> Bug #8510:04 Group invite to avatar who is not online is not delivered and blocks subsequent invites to that avatar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8510 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-03-31 19:55 <osmantis> Bug #8510:04 Group invite to avatar who is not online is not delivered and blocks subsequent invites to that avatar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8510 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-31 20:09 <osmantis> Bug #8510:04 Group invite to avatar who is not online is not delivered and blocks subsequent invites to that avatar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8510 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-31 20:12 <osmantis> Bug #8510:04 Group invite to avatar who is not online is not delivered and blocks subsequent invites to that avatar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8510 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-03-31 22:11 <Ubit> oops
2019-03-31 22:11 <Ubit> ok
2019-03-31 22:14 <BillBlight> Did you kill jenkins?
2019-03-31 22:14 <BillBlight> LOL
2019-03-31 22:14 <Ubit> yeap fixing it :)
2019-03-31 22:15 <Ubit> it was not using ssl, now is
2019-03-31 22:15 <Ubit> guess thats why it was gone
2019-03-31 22:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #6320 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-03-31 22:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6320: SUCCESS in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6320/
2019-03-31 22:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: rez npcs attachments async again
2019-04-01 00:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #6321 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-01 00:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6321: SUCCESS in 4 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6321/
2019-04-01 00:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Yengine: clear events queue on reset. Also keep clearing all on state change. (Linked message events are deleted at sl)
2019-04-01 10:00 <osmantis> Bug #8511:04 Starting a region on a tile already occupied fails but overwrites map thumbnail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8511 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-04-01 10:16 <osmantis> Bug #8510:04 Group invite to avatar who is not online is not delivered and blocks subsequent invites to that avatar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8510 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-01 10:26 <osmantis> Bug #8511:04 Starting a region on a tile already occupied fails but overwrites map thumbnail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8511 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-01 11:00 <osmantis> Bug #8511:04 Starting a region on a tile already occupied fails but overwrites map thumbnail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8511 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-01 11:27 <Ai_Austin> Hi.. is @Ubit there at the moment?
2019-04-01 11:27 <Ubit> hi
2019-04-01 11:27 <Ai_Austin> Trying the latest git master 925 Ubit.
2019-04-01 11:28 <Ai_Austin> 917 was lookign VERY good... and I was able to go between AiLand and Openvue grid with jumps after a few seconds repeatedly without crashing and I fdon't think I was losing prims.
2019-04-01 11:28 <Ubit> well not sure what those are
2019-04-01 11:28 <Ubit> 917 ?
2019-04-01 11:28 <Ai_Austin> BUT.. just updated to 925 and it gives lots fo errors and after that stops the avatar returning to home grid until I restart the servers
2019-04-01 11:28 <Ai_Austin> I always use the download serial number
2019-04-01 11:29 <Ubit> odd we don't see that
2019-04-01 11:29 <Ai_Austin> wait and I will get the dates
2019-04-01 11:29 <BillBlight> better if you'd get the commit
2019-04-01 11:29 <Ai_Austin> I have made a log from openSim.exe at both ends.  I can send that
2019-04-01 11:29 <Ubit> ahh bill is here
2019-04-01 11:29 <Ai_Austin> they give little idea of sequence thouigh!.. wait coming up
2019-04-01 11:29 <Ubit> bill has regions on last commit
2019-04-01 11:30 <BillBlight> I have a grid on the last commit
2019-04-01 11:30 <BillBlight> LOL
2019-04-01 11:30 <Ubit> like osgrid dev outreach
2019-04-01 11:30 <Ai_Austin> 925 is latest..  opensim-0.9.0.1-925-g772aa52.zip
2019-04-01 11:30 <BillBlight> actually 3 grids on it
2019-04-01 11:30 <Ai_Austin> 917 is opensim-0.9.0.1-917-g98be996.zip
2019-04-01 11:30 <Ubit> that is not the last :)
2019-04-01 11:31 <Ubit> oops
2019-04-01 11:31 <BillBlight> I think that number is the jenkins build number
2019-04-01 11:31 <Ubit> no it is not
2019-04-01 11:31 <BillBlight> yes
2019-04-01 11:32 <BillBlight> I mean yes you are right
2019-04-01 11:32 <Ubit> but we had issues with 98be9969912921b67e1fd831fb567d18ad84823b
2019-04-01 11:32 <Ubit>  and npcs
2019-04-01 11:32 <Ubit> are you doing resonable clean compiles ?
2019-04-01 11:32 <Ai_Austin> Something in last 8 commits has made the HG TP a problem
2019-04-01 11:32 <Ai_Austin> Yes.. fully clean compiles each time
2019-04-01 11:33 <Ai_Austin> I just sent a log of each end which shows the red errors and lock ups
2019-04-01 11:33 <BillBlight> I've been upgrading my grid tonight and been testing HG a LOT, and had zero issues
2019-04-01 11:34 <Ubit> well what kind of errors do you see?
2019-04-01 11:34 <Ai_Austin> And once I have haf the rreturn homke errors, after that even after 10 minutes I still cannoty return home - viewer says teleport failed: unable to verify identity. I have to restart servers
2019-04-01 11:35 <Ubit> ahh that
2019-04-01 11:35 <Ai_Austin> Just sent a log Ubit... but qwill summarise.
2019-04-01 11:35 <Ubit> no need to restart servers, a relog is ok
2019-04-01 11:35 <Ubit> i also see that ocasionally, not totaly related to this changes
2019-04-01 11:35 <Ai_Austin> Bill - if you want to see the log it is at http://www.aiai.ed.ac.uk/~bat/EXPORT/TEMP/OS/
2019-04-01 11:36 <Ubit> but it is a timing issue that may had gotten worse
2019-04-01 11:37 <BillBlight> we did a lot of testing earlier for hours, and never saw that entity transfer module error
2019-04-01 11:37 <Ubit> this are on a grid or standalones ??
2019-04-01 11:37 <Ai_Austin> Grids Ubit.  AiLand and Openvue grids.. my usual ones
2019-04-01 11:37 <BillBlight> that is an odd error
2019-04-01 11:38 <Ai_Austin> End that wil not accept return to home from foreign grid says
2019-04-01 11:38 <Ai_Austin> Caught exception while processing OpenMetaverse.Packets.CompleteAgentMovementPacket for Ai Austin  System.NullReferenceException: 
2019-04-01 11:38 <Ai_Austin> Its in the log
2019-04-01 11:38 <Ubit> that is old failed tp
2019-04-01 11:38 <Ai_Austin> 917 (8 commts ago) I was able to go back and forth multiple times without an issue
2019-04-01 11:39 <Ubit> Set release callback URL to  in AiLand
2019-04-01 11:39 <Ubit>  <-- this is odd
2019-04-01 11:40 <Ai_Austin> Note gap in the string...as if the spaces are there for some URL that is missing
2019-04-01 11:40 <Ubit> hos does
2019-04-01 11:40 <Ubit> agent.NewCallbackURI = region.ServerURI + "agent/" + agent.AgentID.ToString() + "/" + region.RegionID.ToString() + "/release/";
2019-04-01 11:41 <Ubit> give "" ??
2019-04-01 11:41 <Ai_Austin> I am goign to simplify and just run one region at each end with no add on region servers and asee if the issue is still there.  back in 5 mins
2019-04-01 11:42 <Ubit> oops
2019-04-01 11:42 <Ubit> ok i see why its ""
2019-04-01 11:43 <Ubit> ok not a issue, just a silly bug
2019-04-01 11:47 <Ubit> errr
2019-04-01 11:47 <Ubit> 12:17:31 - [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: Set release callback URL to  in AiLand
2019-04-01 11:47 <Ubit> 12:17:31 - [AGENT HANDLER]: Release ff0a6e25-15cf-4294-9374-4ce8cdec65eb to RegionID: 46d2006b-4531-4f77-a2bb-f785d416ae03
2019-04-01 11:47 <Ubit> errr hmm how ?
2019-04-01 11:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #6322 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-01 11:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6322: SUCCESS in 6 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6322/
2019-04-01 11:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix tp set callback log message
2019-04-01 12:02 <Ai_Austin> Interesting.  I simplified and just have one region on Ailand and one region on Openvue grids. I TP from AiLand to Openvue.  Avatar is sent and arrives... but sending end reports
2019-04-01 12:02 <Ai_Austin> 13:01:03 - [Scene]: The avatar has left the building 13:01:03 - [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: Exception on teleport of Ai Austin from <123.2107, 129.1807, 25.81057>@AiLand to <128, 128, 25>@Openvue: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.   at OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.Framework.EntityTransfer.HGEntityTransferModule.AgentHasMovedAway(ScenePresence sp, Boolean logout) in D:\Temp\opensim-0.9.0.1-925-g772aa52\OpenSim\
2019-04-01 12:04 <Ai_Austin> er\HGEntityTransferModule.cs:line 260
2019-04-01 12:04 <Ubit> yes i see that
2019-04-01 12:05 <Ubit> 12:17:31 - [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: Set release callback URL to  in AiLand
2019-04-01 12:05 <Ubit> 12:17:31 - [AGENT HANDLER]: Release ff0a6e25-15cf-4294-9374-4ce8cdec65eb to RegionID: 46d2006b-4531-4f77-a2bb-f785d416ae03
2019-04-01 12:05 <Ubit> this is the problem
2019-04-01 12:05 <Ai_Austin> Okay.
2019-04-01 12:05 <Ubit> that release is way 2 soon
2019-04-01 12:05 <Ai_Austin> This time I did not try a return for over a minute and when I do I get red errors at Ailand end .. no goign back
2019-04-01 12:05 <Ai_Austin> er\HGEntityTransferModule.cs:line 260
2019-04-01 12:06 <Ai_Austin> Sticks in viewer at contacting new region... and red error leaves receivign end jammed up
2019-04-01 12:07 <Ai_Austin> Revertig to 917 to see if that clear things - just to pin down if its a change i last 8/9 commits that led to the problem
2019-04-01 12:11 <Ai_Austin> 917 works fine.. no errors and can return within 5 seconds
2019-04-01 12:12 <Ubit> making a test change
2019-04-01 12:17 <Ubit> who told you to have fast net and machines??
2019-04-01 12:18 <Ai_Austin> gigabit networks here and direct connection to UK academic backbone... Xeon processors, SSDs
2019-04-01 12:18 <Ai_Austin> sorry.  shall I disable them ;-)
2019-04-01 12:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #6323 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-01 12:19 <Ubit> no, send all that to me :p
2019-04-01 12:19 <Ai_Austin> okay.. on its way
2019-04-01 12:19 <Ubit> nice april 1st try :p
2019-04-01 12:19 <Ai_Austin> 1st April
2019-04-01 12:19 <Ai_Austin> :-)
2019-04-01 12:19 <Ubit> can you try this one ?
2019-04-01 12:22 <Ai_Austin> yesp.. will try now.  off to a meeting in 30 minutes
2019-04-01 12:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6323: SUCCESS in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6323/
2019-04-01 12:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change avatar arrival at hg destination handling
2019-04-01 12:25 <Ubit> the meeting is a 1st april thing
2019-04-01 12:26 <Ai_Austin> could easily be so
2019-04-01 12:37 <Ai_Austin> Hmmm.. viewer crashes... investigating
2019-04-01 12:39 <Ubit> slow down that net :p
2019-04-01 12:41 <Ai_Austin> I meant I could not even go one way without viewer crashing.. I wa not at the point of trying a return.  Recompiled to be sure I did not make a glitch and rettrying in a moment
2019-04-01 12:42 <BillBlight> testing with latest commits between two grids, no crash, no tp fail
2019-04-01 12:43 <Ai_Austin> Logged on to Ailand.. made sure everything settled down on viewer and server consoles. Tried a jump to Openvue grid. Did not work. Viewer rports "Teleport failed. Internal error".
2019-04-01 12:43 <Ai_Austin> Both ends on latest (927)
2019-04-01 12:43 <osmantis> Bug #8509:04 Unable to upload some rigged mesh items 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8509 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-01 12:44 <osmantis> Bug #8509:04 Unable to upload some rigged mesh items 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8509 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-01 12:44 <Ubit> fs602 ?
2019-04-01 12:44 <Ai_Austin> Ah, it did actually arrive on the otrher grid I see.. even though it showed that error - after I dismisse dthe error
2019-04-01 12:45 <Ai_Austin> opensim-0.9.0.1-927-g5dc7623.zip
2019-04-01 12:46 <Ai_Austin> Receiver end consoles look normal.  sender end shows red errors
2019-04-01 12:46 <Ai_Austin> 13:42:37 - [ENTITY TRANSFER STATE MACHINE]: UpdateInTransit. Throwing transition failure = Agent with ID ff0a6e25-15cf-4294-9374-4ce8cdec65eb is not registered as in transit in AiLand
2019-04-01 12:46 <Ai_Austin> 13:42:37 - [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: Exception on teleport of Ai Austin from <126.5148, 129.6956, 26.02642>@AiLand to <128, 128, 25>@Openvue: Agent with ID ff0a6e25-15cf-4294-9374-4ce8cdec65eb is not registered as in transit in AiLand   at OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.Framework.EntityTransfer.EntityTransferStateMachine.UpdateInTransit(UUID id, AgentTransferState newState) in D:\Temp\opensim-0.9.0.1-927-g5dc7623\OpenSim\Region\C
2019-04-01 12:46 <Ai_Austin> yTransferStateMachine.cs:line 214
2019-04-01 12:46 <Ubit> grrr
2019-04-01 12:48 <Ai_Austin> And after error canot return home. Viewer crashes
2019-04-01 12:50 <Ai_Austin> And it is repeatable.. just truied after relog and restart
2019-04-01 12:50 <BillBlight> I just HG'd back and forth about 15 times
2019-04-01 12:51 <BillBlight> is this HG or on the same grid you are testing?
2019-04-01 12:52 <Ai_Austin> I am going between AiLand Region on AiLand grid (home) and a second grid Openvue region on Openvue grid.
2019-04-01 12:53 <Ai_Austin> I am off to my meeting. I have reset both grids to 917 (10 commits ago) as that appears to be workign fine.
2019-04-01 12:54 <BillBlight> <shrugs> Don't like the "works for me" answer ... but current commits are working for me ...  <shrug>
2019-04-01 12:54 <Ai_Austin> :-)  thats why we have multiple testers with different setups Bill
2019-04-01 12:55 <BillBlight> yep
2019-04-01 12:55 <Ai_Austin> Glad it works for you though.
2019-04-01 12:55 <Ai_Austin> off for now
2019-04-01 12:55 <BillBlight> just hard to chase a bug, when can't replicate it on 4 diff setups
2019-04-01 12:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #6324 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-01 12:57 <BillBlight> change fast to suicidal
2019-04-01 12:57 <BillBlight> I still don't understand that
2019-04-01 12:58 <BillBlight> Like throwing your car in reverse before you stop moving forward, not good for it ..
2019-04-01 12:59 <Ubit> .. if they ..
2019-04-01 13:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6324: SUCCESS in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6324/
2019-04-01 13:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: still issues on fast hg tps
2019-04-01 13:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #6325 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-01 13:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6325: SUCCESS in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6325/
2019-04-01 13:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Yengine: try fix changing scripts running state if the have long events
2019-04-01 13:42 <Tampa> I don't understand it either, but I guess more stable teleports are an improvement regardless... though honestly all that effort could be spent better too I feel
2019-04-01 14:03 <Ai_Austin> Back. Should I try latest commit Ubit?  My last issue was even on FIRST TP out... not a rapid return.
2019-04-01 14:08 <Ubit> yes plz
2019-04-01 14:08 <Ai_Austin> okay will do
2019-04-01 14:17 <Ai_Austin> OPn first tries looks muich better.  Work3d in 5 to and fro HG teleports between Ailand Grid and Openvue grid.  Just once on outward to arrival at Openvue grid.. no avatar showed.  camera was really low to ground and avatar complexcuity said 1000 (lower than what was worn).
2019-04-01 14:18 <Ai_Austin> qoreked fine straight after though, hair was not fully rendered but when clicked on was fine.   After that avatar showed fine all times.
2019-04-01 14:18 <Ubit> you do have odd regions :)
2019-04-01 14:18 <Ai_Austin> odd?
2019-04-01 14:18 <Ubit> strange :)
2019-04-01 14:19 <Ai_Austin> all regions 256x256. ij this case 3 regions on AiLand OpenSim.exe instance and 4 regions on Openvue OpenSim.exe instance. I am not running the other add on region servers at the moment
2019-04-01 14:19 <Ubit> have viewer object cache on or off ?
2019-04-01 14:19 <Ai_Austin> first time I have seen that myself too. I will keep an eye on it
2019-04-01 14:20 <Ai_Austin> SupportViwerObjectsCache is at default of false in all cases
2019-04-01 14:20 <Ai_Austin> I am savign testing that until other stuff is working
2019-04-01 14:20 <Ubit> ok
2019-04-01 14:21 <Ai_Austin> On the time it failed to render avatar it said
2019-04-01 14:21 <Ai_Austin> 15:14:55 - [WEB FETCH INV DESC HANDLER]: Unable to fetch folder 4a26e58a-ece1-404a-96de-dbf02e4aed14
2019-04-01 14:21 <Ai_Austin> About 6 times... and just on that oen jump.  maybe it was a temp thing
2019-04-01 14:22 <Ai_Austin> on the arrival end where avatar was not rendered
2019-04-01 14:22 <Ubit> what are you doing on top of me?
2019-04-01 14:22 <Ai_Austin> Realy fast (silly within 1-2 seconds) seem to work on this version
2019-04-01 14:23 <Ubit> at a point viewers will not like fast either
2019-04-01 14:23 <Ai_Austin> abot to try to OSGrid (on 2019-03-24 version) and back
2019-04-01 14:23 <Ai_Austin> understood.  If we can be reliable at about 5 seconds that will be good
2019-04-01 14:23 <Ubit> only dev outreach is on this
2019-04-01 14:24 <Ubit> and has cache on
2019-04-01 14:26 <Ai_Austin> I was able to go AiLand (on latest) to OSGrid region on 2019-03-24 version... but on return it gave some messages about failed to load assets and the crashed viewer. to 
2019-04-01 14:27 <Ai_Austin> Do we have to have latest code at BOTH ends to work now.  That is a bit of a problem for visiting other regions which might be on much earlier OpenSim versions - even 0.8.x.
2019-04-01 14:27 <Ubit> grr
2019-04-01 14:36 <Ai_Austin> Definitely an issue with goign oit from AiLand on latest to OSGRid region on 2019-03-24 version.  looks okay there. On return. Avatar is up in air, no movememt possible and after a minuite or so viewer crashes.
2019-04-01 14:36 <Ubit> strange
2019-04-01 14:36 <Ai_Austin> AiLand end where avata5r appeared just showed one warning... 
2019-04-01 14:36 <Ai_Austin> 15:34:08 - [LLUDPSERVER]: Ignoring connection request for ff0a6e25-15cf-4294-9374-4ce8cdec65eb to AiLand with unknown circuit code 1343342892 from IP 129.215.219.75:56960
2019-04-01 14:37 <Ai_Austin> though its on AiLand visually in viewer, but 10 feet in air, and jammed
2019-04-01 14:37 <Ubit> that error is bad
2019-04-01 14:40 <Ubit> Current simulator: OpenSim 0.9.1.0 Snail Dev         (Win/.NET)
2019-04-01 14:41 <Ubit> Previous simulator: OpenSim 0.9.0.0 Dev        OSgrid 0.9.0.0 (Dev)
2019-04-01 14:41 <Ubit> hg tp no issues
2019-04-01 14:43 <Ubit> Current simulator: OpenSim 0.9.0.0 Dev        OSgrid 0.9.0.0 (Dev) be43fc2: 2016-03-06 (Win/.NET)
2019-04-01 14:43 <Ubit> Previous simulator: OpenSim 0.9.1.0 Snail Dev         (Win/.NET)
2019-04-01 14:44 <Ai_Austin> TP back from OSGrid on 0.9.1.0 (2019-03-24) region back to AiLand (on latest) gives the error noted.  Avatar cannot move or clicking on things does not work. Then viewer crashes to B&W screen about 1 minite later.
2019-04-01 14:45 <Ubit>  0.9.1.0 (2019-03-24) is kinda a transition version
2019-04-01 14:46 <Ai_Austin> Yes.. that might be the problem...
2019-04-01 14:46 <Ai_Austin> Current simulator: OpenSim 0.9.1.0 Snail Dev  OSgrid 0.9.1.0  481d7156d1: 2019-03-24 01:51:29 +0000 (Win/.NET)
2019-04-01 14:46 <Ai_Austin> Previous simulator: OpenSim 0.9.1.0 Snail Dev         (Win/.NET)
2019-04-01 14:47 <Ubit> lbsa is at mar-19 
2019-04-01 14:47 <Ai_Austin> We had issues between 715 (as I term it) and 929 (latest)
2019-04-01 14:47 <Ai_Austin> 24-Mar-2019 was last OSGrid packaged release
2019-04-01 14:48 <Ai_Austin> But I guesswe have to sort of cope with HG destimnatiosn that are on much older versions (Kitely?  0.8.x, 0.9.0.0, etc)
2019-04-01 14:49 <Ubit> well up to a point..
2019-04-01 14:49 <Ai_Austin> But not rapid TPs for those of course
2019-04-01 14:49 <Ai_Austin> viewer crash is quite nasty though
2019-04-01 14:49 <Ubit> its suposed to be like that already
2019-04-01 14:50 <Ai_Austin> I am going to leave AiLand and Openvue grid snow on latest as its working pretty well
2019-04-01 14:50 <Ubit> they don't have much prims
2019-04-01 14:50 <Ubit> but test viewer cache
2019-04-01 14:51 <Ubit> i doing in grid tps btw dev outreach and event plaza on old version and no issues
2019-04-01 14:51 <Ai_Austin> I intend to test that at some stage soon and give feedback Ubit.  I do have some regions with more prims. OpenVCE has 4117
2019-04-01 14:52 <Ai_Austin> is the supportviewercache ready to go if I set my grids to use that parameter "true" do you think?
2019-04-01 14:52 <Ai_Austin> I have the parameter in my openSim.ini files but at default false for now
2019-04-01 14:52 <Ai_Austin> So its easy to toggle
2019-04-01 14:52 <Ubit> hg to my testgrid and back from event plaza ok also
2019-04-01 15:02 <Ubit> lbsa as it on
2019-04-01 15:03 <Ubit> og there with osg account
2019-04-01 15:04 <Ubit> wait a bit
2019-04-01 15:04 <Ubit> and relog
2019-04-01 15:04 <Ubit> wiat full rez i mean
2019-04-01 15:05 <Ubit> ( avatars don't count )
2019-04-01 15:45 <Ai_Austin> Must be somethig else I have wrong Ubit. I am not gettign the .slc file for the region even when te parameter is set true and latest dev master and running just one instance of Firestorm
2019-04-01 15:46 <Ubit> or fs does not rotate the files
2019-04-01 15:46 <Ubit> ( don't believe.. )
2019-04-01 17:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #6326 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-01 17:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6326: SUCCESS in 4 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6326/
2019-04-01 17:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8509: replace mesh gzip decompress
2019-04-01 17:24 <osmantis> Bug #8509:04 Unable to upload some rigged mesh items 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8509 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-01 21:24 <osmantis> Bug #8509:04 Unable to upload some rigged mesh items 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8509 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-02 09:12 <Ai_Austin> Hi folks. I left Openvue and AiLand grids running with latest dev master and SupportViewerObjectCache = true overnight.
2019-04-02 09:13 <Ai_Austin> When I did some tests this morning I am seeing missing prims.
2019-04-02 09:13 <Ai_Austin> If I relog the ones I spotted as missing are back.
2019-04-02 09:14 <Ubit> yes see ocasional things like that. Some prims just show up as you touch them
2019-04-02 09:15 <Ubit> something not new on FS ( attachments used to be terrible )
2019-04-02 09:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #6327 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-02 09:15 <Ai_Austin> Not these. I clicked on where they should be and they did not come back.  they were normal prims not mesh by th way.
2019-04-02 09:15 <Ubit> meshed even been in cache, suposelly, also seem to take ages
2019-04-02 09:16 <Ubit> well we are sending all the prims
2019-04-02 09:17 <Ubit> btw don't select a 2 high bandwidth on viewer
2019-04-02 09:17 <Ubit> it may get things it can't process
2019-04-02 09:18 <Ai_Austin> Understood on bandwidth.  I have it set to 1500Kbps
2019-04-02 09:18 <Ubit> yes using that also
2019-04-02 09:18 <Ai_Austin> Thats the point where it warns you
2019-04-02 09:19 <Ubit> a bit hard to understand why those missing prims :(
2019-04-02 09:20 <Ubit> on meshes we do notice that on fast tps with at least one heavy region, they may take ages to show up
2019-04-02 09:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6327: SUCCESS in 6 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6327/
2019-04-02 09:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor cleanup on mesh decompress code
2019-04-02 09:21 <Ubit> maybe viewer has all connections and possible things in queue from the heavy region
2019-04-02 09:22 <Ubit> you are not using the culling option are you?
2019-04-02 09:23 <Ubit> on regions i mean
2019-04-02 09:25 <Ai_Austin> Remind me what bseetign that is.  But I think no special culling... The objects missing were well within view off avatar and some were parts of a linked object. One part of central plaza in openVCE region for example
2019-04-02 09:25 <Ai_Austin> The missing parts never showed up until I relogged as well
2019-04-02 09:26 <Ai_Austin> Its not something I have seen until very recently on these servers/viewer setups
2019-04-02 09:26 <Ubit> ohh it did happen
2019-04-02 09:26 <Ubit> and does happen
2019-04-02 09:27 <Ubit> just mb bit worse now
2019-04-02 09:27 <Ai_Austin> For a few meshes.  but prims?
2019-04-02 09:27 <Ubit> prims also
2019-04-02 09:27 <Ubit> as i said in many cases they show up when you click on their spot
2019-04-02 09:27 <Ai_Austin> okay. hmm...
2019-04-02 09:28 <Ubit> that was on direct login?
2019-04-02 09:28 <Ai_Austin> Yes... No HG at all 
2019-04-02 09:29 <Ubit> cache does stress viwer rendering even more uff
2019-04-02 09:30 <Ubit> it does not have the extra time of the slow upd "take this other prim.. and this.." :)
2019-04-02 09:31 <Ubit> it gets show this 100 prims NOW :) 
2019-04-02 09:33 <Ubit> a packet that whould had data for some 3 prims not tells show this 60 or 100
2019-04-02 09:34 <Ubit> well but thats why there is cache :)
2019-04-02 09:40 <Ubit> yeah i have on prim here that nevers shows up till i click on it on tps or crossings
2019-04-02 09:40 <Ubit> grr no idea why
2019-04-02 09:46 <Ai_Austin> Actually on OSGrid (I have a new RuthAndRoth region there on the 2019-03-24 version) its really bad there - many of the boxes not showign up and some simple ground flat prims.. and that has no supportviewerobject cache set.  Something is up
2019-04-02 09:47 <Ubit> why do you keep testing a outdated version? 
2019-04-02 09:47 <Ai_Austin> I know I have a rack with 6 boxes on it.  one box shows, no rack or otyher boxes.  nothign  can click on. 
2019-04-02 09:47 <Ubit> to compare use one before this recent changes.. not on in middle of them
2019-04-02 09:48 <Ai_Austin> its not outdated for OSGrid ad on regions Ubit.  Its the latest https://www.osgrid.org/download.php
2019-04-02 09:48 <Ubit> we all "release" not so good versions
2019-04-02 09:48 <Ai_Austin> Their build is totally different to dev master and I wait for them to update to change my OSGrid add on regions setups
2019-04-02 09:49 <Ai_Austin> if that is a specific issue maybe we should ask Dan and the OSGrid folks to shift it on to avoid issues?
2019-04-02 09:49 <Ubit> it is not that dif, its jsut march 24 code :)
2019-04-02 09:49 <Ubit> osgrid is a test grid.. it is on edge...
2019-04-02 09:50 <Ubit> there is a cycle to avoid really nasty code getting to most ppl
2019-04-02 09:50 <Ubit> like lbsa is usualy a code burning place
2019-04-02 09:50 <Ubit> and some sandboxes
2019-04-02 09:51 <Ubit> dev outreach also on master usually
2019-04-02 09:52 <Ai_Austin> I mentioned this to Dan
2019-04-02 09:53 <Ai_Austin> problem is the previious OSGridd version had a BIG gap and a lot has changed... 01-26-2019
2019-04-02 09:55 <Ubit> well doing tps around my testgrid  lbsa and dev outreach and event plazza ( on a older version ) and not much issues
2019-04-02 09:56 <Ai_Austin> Good.  hopefully things will be better on next SGrid packaged release then.  I will dfoicus on just spottign any issues on the up to date AiLand and Openvue grids which are on (nearly) latest dev master and have SupportViewerObjectCache true
2019-04-02 09:57 <Ubit> yes that will be default as soon we are conf with it
2019-04-02 09:58 <Ubit> viewers also allow you to disable it
2019-04-02 09:58 <Ubit> see any packet loss when those prims don't show up ?
2019-04-02 09:59 <Ai_Austin> Remind me how to note that Ubit?  Windows level or in viewer?
2019-04-02 09:59 <Ubit> stats 
2019-04-02 09:59 <Ubit> cntr + shift + 1
2019-04-02 10:00 <Ubit> on basic part just on top of it
2019-04-02 10:04 <Ubit> oops did hit a lbsa stargate by mistake lol
2019-04-02 10:04 <Ubit> ohh a plaza i didn't remember
2019-04-02 11:16 <Ai_Austin> Ubit if you are still there.  I just snapped some of the prims missing things.  These on Ailand grid on (nearly) latest dev master on OpenVCE region. Image 1a and Image 2a show viewer view with oprims (and a scupltchair) missing. The Inage1b and 2b show with edit/build mode.  Nothing to click on or make the missing items reappear. 
2019-04-02 11:16 <Ai_Austin> In http://www.aiai.ed.ac.uk/~bat/EXPORT/TEMP/OS/
2019-04-02 11:36 <Ubit> gezz you hired bad builders :p
2019-04-02 11:39 <Ai_Austin> It was all made a LONG time ago.. at a time when prim limits were 10m too
2019-04-02 11:39 <Ubit> kidding :)
2019-04-02 11:39 <Ai_Austin> ah I see... :-)
2019-04-02 11:39 <Ai_Austin> I blame the prim elves
2019-04-02 11:40 <Ubit> im sure the prim is there .. somewhere :)
2019-04-02 11:40 <BillBlight> I think the missing prims are joining those missing socks in the dryer
2019-04-02 11:41 <Ai_Austin> I really cannot find it.  tried transparency show, edit mode, clickign where I know the prim is (or the missing scuplt chair) and nothign does it.  Relog and they come back. Different ones seem to be affected..
2019-04-02 11:41 <BillBlight> try a "force update" on that regions console
2019-04-02 11:41 <Ubit> always same prim ?
2019-04-02 11:41 <BillBlight> "Different ones seem to be affected.."
2019-04-02 11:42 <BillBlight> :P
2019-04-02 11:42 <Ai_Austin> No... arbitrary prims/contents
2019-04-02 11:42 <Ai_Austin> Okay, next time I see it I will try that without relogging nin viewer and report result
2019-04-02 11:44 <Ai_Austin> My reply was to Ubit Bill. It is NOT always the same prim/prims/objects
2019-04-02 11:46 <BillBlight> I know
2019-04-02 11:46 <BillBlight> he then asked if it was the same prim after you said that
2019-04-02 11:47 <BillBlight> I was just harassing  him for asking what you already answered
2019-04-02 11:47 <BillBlight> LOL
2019-04-02 11:48 <Ai_Austin> Right, I have a big bit missing.. a whole building of 78 oprims.  clicking on it has no effect. wuikll try force update on console now
2019-04-02 11:49 <Ai_Austin> force update has no effect
2019-04-02 11:50 <Ai_Austin> I will log on as a sceond avatar on same region tosee what shows to that user
2019-04-02 11:51 <BillBlight> it can take a couple of minutes for force update to work
2019-04-02 11:51 <BillBlight> but ok
2019-04-02 11:51 <Ai_Austin> view to secobd user is fine.  building shows.  Its still missing in original avatar view.
2019-04-02 11:56 <Ai_Austin> No change after a few minutes. And clicking on area where building should be. And tried force update a secod time too... see 
2019-04-02 11:56 <Ai_Austin> See http://www.aiai.ed.ac.uk/~bat/EXPORT/TEMP/OS/Image3c.jpg
2019-04-02 11:57 <Ai_Austin> hang on .. second user was on wrong grid :-)
2019-04-02 11:58 <Ubit> details :)
2019-04-02 11:58 <Ubit> ai no need for pics, we do believe yr report
2019-04-02 11:59 <Ubit> and the prims aren't special
2019-04-02 12:00 <Ai_Austin> Understood.. just for the record...  here is the correct image with both viewers after 2 force update done and lots of clickign  in area missing to one avatar.. 
2019-04-02 12:00 <Ai_Austin> http://www.aiai.ed.ac.uk/~bat/EXPORT/TEMP/OS/Image3c.jpg
2019-04-02 12:00 <Ai_Austin> Offline for a short while
2019-04-02 12:00 <Ai_Austin> back later
2019-04-02 12:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #6328 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-02 12:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6328: FAILURE in 2 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6328/
2019-04-02 12:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add extra delay before sending initial data
2019-04-02 14:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #6329 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6327 4 hr 57 min ago)
2019-04-02 14:11 <Ubit> yeah of course tests
2019-04-02 14:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6329: STILL FAILING in 2 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6329/
2019-04-02 14:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change the point where child regions are closed/opened
2019-04-02 14:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #6330 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #6327 5 hr 44 min ago)
2019-04-02 15:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6330: STILL FAILING in 4 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6330/
2019-04-02 15:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make tests happy again; try to speedup crossings
2019-04-02 16:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #6331 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #6327 6 hr 52 min ago)
2019-04-02 16:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6331: STILL FAILING in 4 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6331/
2019-04-02 16:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: another test....
2019-04-02 16:11 <Ubit> dang forgot the other
2019-04-02 16:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #6332 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #6327 7 hr 12 min ago)
2019-04-02 16:31 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-04-02 16:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6332: FIXED in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6332/
2019-04-02 16:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: another test....
2019-04-02 18:01 <Ubit> meeting time (again..)
2019-04-02 19:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #6333 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-04-02 19:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6333: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6333/
2019-04-02 19:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change avatars sending point
2019-04-02 23:39 <osmantis> Bug #8511:04 Starting a region on a tile already occupied fails but overwrites map thumbnail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8511 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-03 07:34 <osmantis> Bug #8511:04 Starting a region on a tile already occupied fails but overwrites map thumbnail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8511 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-03 07:37 <osmantis> Bug #8511:04 Starting a region on a tile already occupied fails but overwrites map thumbnail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8511 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-04-03 14:27 <Ai_Austin> Just a note that I updated to latest dev master.. but I still have prims and now terrain squares about 16mx16m missing. Probably worse than yesterday
2019-04-03 14:27 <Ai_Austin> See image at http://www.aiai.ed.ac.uk/~bat/EXPORT/TEMP/OS/2019-04-03-Openvue-Terrain-and-Prims-Missing-1.jpg
2019-04-03 14:28 <Ai_Austin> Clicking and so on has no effect
2019-04-03 14:28 <CodyCooper> At least you have a swimming pool, also OpenSimulator.org is under a DDOS attack again i think
2019-04-03 14:29 <Ai_Austin> Ubit asked me to check packet loss in teh viewer (ctrl+shift+1) and that shows 0.1% packet loss
2019-04-03 14:29 <Ai_Austin> I noticed that I could not get to the web site
2019-04-03 14:29 <BillBlight> yeah something is definately up with the .org server
2019-04-03 14:30 <CodyCooper> I think OpenSimulator.org needs the free cloudflare free plan
2019-04-03 14:31 <BillBlight> caching that might be a bad idea unless you exclude the git which is on the same server, but it might help
2019-04-03 14:32 <CodyCooper> * just realized i said free twice, doing several things right now
2019-04-03 14:35 <CodyCooper> The Free Plan has 3 Page Rules available, so i think you can disable caching for a subfolder, or maybe move git to a subdomain, there is not a SSL certificate anyway right?
2019-04-03 17:04 <Tampa> Cloudflare the "host is not reachable" brigade
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2019-04-03 23:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #6334 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-03 23:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6334: SUCCESS in 6 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6334/
2019-04-03 23:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: send agent view range to new child agents
2019-04-04 10:53 <osmantis> Bug #8512:04 runprebuild.bat will not detect VS 2019 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8512 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-04-04 10:57 <osmantis> Bug #8512:04 runprebuild.bat will not detect VS 2019 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8512 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-04 12:28 <osmantis> Bug #8512:04 runprebuild.bat will not detect VS 2019 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8512 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-04 14:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #6335 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-04 14:10 <osmantis> Bug #8512:04 runprebuild.bat will not detect VS 2019 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8512 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-04 14:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6335: SUCCESS in 7 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6335/
2019-04-04 14:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8512: add proposed detection of VS2019 to runprebuild (both this and vs2019 untested by me
2019-04-04 14:46 <osmantis> Bug #8512:04 runprebuild.bat will not detect VS 2019 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8512 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-04 14:54 <osmantis> Bug #8512:04 runprebuild.bat will not detect VS 2019 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8512 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-04 15:14 <osmantis> Bug #8512:04 runprebuild.bat will not detect VS 2019 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8512 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-04 17:08 <osmantis> Bug #8512:04 runprebuild.bat will not detect VS 2019 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8512 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-04 17:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #6336 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-04 17:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6336: SUCCESS in 5 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6336/
2019-04-04 17:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change region cacheid on restart. This should not be needed in future if objects cache info is stored on region db
2019-04-04 18:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #6337 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-04 18:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6337: SUCCESS in 5 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6337/
2019-04-04 18:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: control visible regions by avatar position and view range, first dirty code
2019-04-04 18:53 <Tampa> What you call dirty I call normal... probably shouldn't let me near anything critical huh xD
2019-04-04 18:58 <BillBlight> Well that is a given
2019-04-04 19:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #6338 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-04 19:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6338: SUCCESS in 4 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6338/
2019-04-04 19:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change visible regions also by view range change; fix check on crossings
2019-04-05 01:50 <osmantis> Bug #8512:04 runprebuild.bat will not detect VS 2019 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8512 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-05 02:25 <osmantis> Bug #8512:04 runprebuild.bat will not detect VS 2019 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8512 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-05 02:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #6339 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-05 02:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6339: SUCCESS in 5 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6339/
2019-04-05 02:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8512: fix runprebuild
2019-04-05 02:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #6340 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-05 02:46 <osmantis> Bug #8512:04 runprebuild.bat will not detect VS 2019 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8512 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-05 02:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6340: SUCCESS in 4 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6340/
2019-04-05 02:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: duhhh npcs don't have child agents; plus minor typos
2019-04-05 02:51 <osmantis> Bug #8512:04 runprebuild.bat will not detect VS 2019 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8512 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-04-05 03:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #6341 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-05 03:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6341: SUCCESS in 4 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6341/
2019-04-05 03:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add option  RegionViewDistance
2019-04-05 03:15 <Ubit> oops MinRegionViewDistance not RegionViewDistance
2019-04-05 03:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #6342 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-05 03:22 <Ubit> well closer.. it is MinRegionsViewDistance lol
2019-04-05 03:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6342: SUCCESS in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6342/
2019-04-05 03:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix  MinRegionViewDistance option (added in last commit); change regions view control
2019-04-05 10:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #6343 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-05 10:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6343: SUCCESS in 6 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6343/
2019-04-05 10:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make sure viewer knows where to place a sitting avatar, this will need deep revision with culling
2019-04-05 11:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #6344 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-05 11:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6344: SUCCESS in 4 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6344/
2019-04-05 11:37 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: kill avatar on agents that do not see its new region
2019-04-05 11:37 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: temp workaround on sits culling
2019-04-05 13:08 <osmantis> Bug #7771:04 llRotLookAt on physical state not working properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7771 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-05 13:21 <osmantis> Bug #7771:04 llRotLookAt on physical state not working properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7771 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-05 13:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #6345 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-05 13:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6345: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6345/
2019-04-05 13:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: try handle the special case MaxRegionsViewDistance = 0 (agents only see void around region, even if there are regions around
2019-04-05 15:22 <osmantis> Bug #8513:04 Teleport refused because failed to verify user presence 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8513 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-04-05 15:36 <osmantis> Bug #8513:04 Teleport refused because failed to verify user presence 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8513 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-05 16:30 <osmantis> Bug #8513:04 Teleport refused because failed to verify user presence 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8513 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-05 17:22 <osmantis> Bug #7771:04 llRotLookAt on physical state not working properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7771 ): has been CLOSED
2019-04-06 11:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #6346 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-06 11:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6346: SUCCESS in 6 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6346/
2019-04-06 11:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: presence detector: don't even try to logout agents that didn't made to root
2019-04-06 15:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #6347 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-06 15:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6347: SUCCESS in 5 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6347/
2019-04-06 15:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: UserAgentService: change handling of its external IP
2019-04-06 15:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #6348 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-06 15:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6348: SUCCESS in 4 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6348/
2019-04-06 15:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: set SupportViewerObjectsCache true by default
2019-04-06 17:12 <osmantis> Bug #8513:04 Teleport refused because failed to verify user presence 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8513 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-06 17:28 <osmantis> Bug #8513:04 Teleport refused because failed to verify user presence 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8513 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-06 20:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #6349 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-06 20:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6349: SUCCESS in 5 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6349/
2019-04-06 20:33 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change interpretation of a viewer flag
2019-04-06 20:33 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change a comment
2019-04-07 00:00 <Ubit> PLugh don't scare osmantis
2019-04-07 00:04 <Plugh> ?
2019-04-07 00:05 <BillBlight> You entered , osmatis quit
2019-04-07 00:05 <Ubit> * Plugh (~kcozens@CPE68b6fc4e50b3-CM68b6fc4e50b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined
2019-04-07 00:05 <Ubit> * osmantis has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2019-04-07 00:05 <BillBlight> lol
2019-04-07 00:05 <Ubit> see you scared it
2019-04-07 00:05 <Plugh> oh. :)
2019-04-07 00:45 <AliciaRaven> maybe some one sneezed, that has been known to make it drop connection also
2019-04-07 00:53 <BillBlight> Or looked at it sideways
2019-04-07 06:20 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-04-07 06:21 <BillBlight> uggg
2019-04-07 10:25 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-07 11:22 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-07 11:28 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-07 12:29 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-07 12:40 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-07 12:43 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-07 12:45 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-07 13:00 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-07 13:04 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-07 13:14 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-07 13:15 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-07 13:17 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-07 13:18 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-07 13:20 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-07 13:36 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-07 13:39 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-07 13:43 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-07 14:58 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-07 15:02 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-07 15:31 <Ubit> sundays opensim.org maching overloads uff
2019-04-07 15:32 <Ubit> ..machine..
2019-04-07 15:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #6350 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-07 15:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6350: SUCCESS in 25 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6350/
2019-04-07 15:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make robust ban by MAC options visible, thx Bill Blight
2019-04-08 08:26 <osmantis> Bug #8502:04 Firewalls block the flow of vivox packets. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8502 ): has been CLOSED
2019-04-08 08:29 <osmantis> Bug #8490:04 About big size. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8490 ): has been CLOSED
2019-04-08 08:34 <osmantis> Bug #5487:04 Physical Prims cannot be set Phantom 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5487 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-08 09:02 <osmantis> Bug #3298:04 Prim moving with "llSetpos(pos)" and check position with llGetPos() never reach given end-position 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3298 ): has been CLOSED
2019-04-08 11:43 <osmantis> Bug #8513:04 Teleport refused because failed to verify user presence 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8513 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-08 12:53 <Ubit> hmm seems jenkis died
2019-04-08 14:00 <BillBlight> Hey can you wait till we test the new functions before putting them on the OSSL page, geeze
2019-04-08 14:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #6351 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-08 14:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6351: SUCCESS in 17 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6351/
2019-04-08 14:38 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add osGetPSTWallclock() returns wall clock in PST or PDT, for those that for some odd reason think need it. OpenSim girds shoudl use UTC (gtm) but whatever
2019-04-08 14:38 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: linux likes other tz names
2019-04-08 14:39 <Ubit> girds ?
2019-04-08 14:39 <Ubit> silly keyboard
2019-04-08 14:54 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): has been REOPENED.
2019-04-08 14:56 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-08 14:56 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-08 14:58 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-08 15:14 <djphil> Ok Bill i can wait a little before add new function on wiki
2019-04-08 15:16 <BillBlight> hehe
2019-04-08 15:16 <BillBlight> we were still trying to figure out if that one worked right .. HAHA
2019-04-08 15:16 <BillBlight> It's cool
2019-04-08 15:16 <BillBlight> and it does
2019-04-08 15:16 <djphil> First i add only on the main OSSL page
2019-04-08 15:21 <BillBlight> Just trying to save some possible work, because if something new like that ends up horribly busted, then it would just have to be removed ..
2019-04-08 15:23 <djphil> Thanks for him :)
2019-04-08 15:27 <djphil> i hope we can have osGetLandDwell  soon
2019-04-08 15:27 <djphil> I would like to finish my region / parcel stats script :p
2019-04-08 15:31 <Plugh> Oh. Another new OSSL function to be added to the wiki. 
2019-04-08 15:32 <BillBlight> Was pretty sure that Ubit said the osGetLandDwell was not going to happen because of the core Dwell module not being that great
2019-04-08 15:33 <Ubit> don't remember telling that
2019-04-08 15:33 <Ubit> :)
2019-04-08 15:33 <BillBlight> well was in long form
2019-04-08 15:33 <djphil> Well Sim FS is not either exact value
2019-04-08 15:33 <Ubit> ( and there is not dweel module it is done inline )
2019-04-08 15:33 <BillBlight> you were complaining about land dwell not working right, and would most likely never
2019-04-08 15:34 <BillBlight> so if it never works right , don't see how we could have a function to get it
2019-04-08 15:34 <Ubit> ??
2019-04-08 15:34 <djphil> Viewer display the actual dwell value ... then is good to be able to get this value by script
2019-04-08 15:34 <BillBlight> Viewer displays a value, but who knows if that value is actually correct
2019-04-08 15:34 <Ubit> dwell is not a core function done inline on land code hmm somewhere
2019-04-08 15:34 <Ubit> and there is no correct vaule
2019-04-08 15:35 <Ubit> sl just adds up and zeros at midnight or something
2019-04-08 15:35 <Ubit> we let it ramp down
2019-04-08 15:35 <djphil> Bill is this is correct value ? OsGetSimulatorMemory
2019-04-08 15:35 <djphil> or this STATS_SIM_FPS
2019-04-08 15:36 <djphil> or this STATS_PHYSICS_FPS
2019-04-08 15:36 <djphil> etc ...
2019-04-08 15:36 <BillBlight> Those are  hard values not interpretations
2019-04-08 15:36 <Ubit> actually interpretations :)
2019-04-08 15:36 <BillBlight> well sort of
2019-04-08 15:36 <Ubit> opensim as no fps
2019-04-08 15:36 <Ubit> like sl does
2019-04-08 15:36 <Ubit> sim fps at least
2019-04-08 15:37 <djphil> Viewer display Dwell ... why not script ?
2019-04-08 15:37 <djphil> (All viewers)
2019-04-08 15:37 <djphil> Iremeber Mose modify the FPS but patch is refused
2019-04-08 15:38 <Ubit> was more complex than that
2019-04-08 15:38 <Ubit> opensim was for a while on "true" fps of 11
2019-04-08 15:38 <Ubit> i was the one to change that nonsense
2019-04-08 15:39 <djphil> this posed problems upstream?
2019-04-08 15:39 <Ubit> a nonsense
2019-04-08 15:39 <Ubit> it is only a indicative number mostly
2019-04-08 15:39 <Ubit> and ppl was used to 55 or 45
2019-04-08 15:39 <Ubit> not 11 crap
2019-04-08 15:40 <djphil> Sure 11 is really little for FPS
2019-04-08 15:40 <Ubit> i say again
2019-04-08 15:40 <Ubit> we do not have fps as sl does
2019-04-08 15:40 <Ubit> things run async
2019-04-08 15:40 <Ubit> there is no frame
2019-04-08 15:41 <djphil> mmm too complex for me
2019-04-08 15:42 <Ubit> well and for many.. that even used those numbers directly as benchmarks
2019-04-08 15:42 <Ubit> uff whatever
2019-04-08 15:43 <djphil> Absurdity
2019-04-08 15:44 <djphil> But just for reference, it's Fun
2019-04-08 15:44 <djphil> And we also love Fun, luckily
2019-04-08 16:00 <Ubit> btw i did add the PST thing text on wiki
2019-04-08 16:01 <djphil> You mean string foonctions ?
2019-04-08 16:02 <BillBlight> He updated the description
2019-04-08 16:02 <BillBlight> of osGetPSTWallclock
2019-04-08 16:02 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsGetPSTWallclock
2019-04-08 16:03 <djphil> about llround yeah, just see
2019-04-08 16:16 <Ubit> thats bc sl *clock() functions do return seconds without fractional part
2019-04-08 16:16 <Ubit> while we do, and i can't change
2019-04-08 23:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #6352 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-08 23:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6352: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6352/
2019-04-08 23:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: testing ...
2019-04-09 05:15 <BillBlight> <rant> I guess my regions must just be fucking magic then, as I don't have disappearing mesh, failed TP's or missing terrain </rant>
2019-04-09 05:22 <Tampa> Well I get folks unable to hop over not sure why, hg seems to reject presence regardless if they accepted your little privacy bs /rant :P
2019-04-09 05:23 <Tampa> Not sure what broke there, the rejection comes before the data is sent so its like blocking protocol which makes no sense
2019-04-09 05:23 <Tampa> Wonder if the different versions of master we use just hate each other
2019-04-09 05:23 <BillBlight> I've been HG'ing in and out of my grid all day, so not a specific problem and the GDPR thing has been disabled for over a month so not sure what you are even talking about
2019-04-09 05:24 <BillBlight> Not to mention I did rename and rehome the grid
2019-04-09 05:24 <Tampa> Hm yeah like I said I can't seem to pinpoint which end this is, because it breaks at an unusual point
2019-04-09 05:25 <Tampa> The gatekeeper accepts, but then the request for that what is it, that sending of crap over just fails silently and runs into timeout
2019-04-09 05:25 <Tampa> That should not happen in that fashion
2019-04-09 05:25 <BillBlight> I have hopped from a few grids all day, and HG seems fine, One of my merchants has been getting HG visitors so , hard to point at this end
2019-04-09 05:26 <Tampa> I need to push to latest master at some point maybe a mismatch somewhere, been a couple changes to teleports who knows the bearing on hg
2019-04-09 05:26 <Tampa> I'm lazy to investigate this because I don't think outside new binary there is anything I can fix anyhow so meh
2019-04-09 05:27 <BillBlight> well I have HG'd from many diff versions, so if it is a mismatch it is a very specific one
2019-04-09 05:27 <BillBlight> the new grid address is ourgrid.life
2019-04-09 05:28 <Tampa> I suspect forward from the old to new address is not happening?
2019-04-09 05:29 <BillBlight> it is, but as usual, you may get unable to verify due to domain/ip mismatch
2019-04-09 05:29 <BillBlight> it does forward
2019-04-09 05:29 <BillBlight> tested that today too from several places
2019-04-09 05:29 <Tampa> Betcha dns is stale again, damn thing keeps doing that for no reason
2019-04-09 05:31 <Tampa> I'll poke it with a stick some time, should fix that up
2019-04-09 05:32 <Tampa> I wonder if using google is not the best idea for dns, but opendns is not much better and that cloudflare shit you can forget entirely
2019-04-09 05:32 <Tampa> Hate network stuff grr
2019-04-09 05:33 <BillBlight> Then you in the wrong business
2019-04-09 05:33 <BillBlight> LOL
2019-04-09 06:39 <BillBlight> ugg 10 regions in a single instace, why not 1000  , I've never understood how people ever thought that was a good idea
2019-04-09 06:40 <BillBlight> (with the exception of fringe cases like empty water regions)
2019-04-09 07:01 <Tampa> Just be happy stupidity does not cause constant noise, else the entire planet would explode from the shockwaves
2019-04-09 07:03 <BillBlight> I'm wondering if we are coming full circle, when opensimulator first was a project only geeks, and server guys, ran it ..  Then it got in the hands of the masses, and hit a brick wall .. Now it seems it is more Geek friendly and less "iPhone user friendly"
2019-04-09 07:04 <BillBlight> *seems it is becoming 
2019-04-09 09:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #6353 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-09 09:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6353: SUCCESS in 6 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6353/
2019-04-09 09:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: old tp timing issues on grid presence notification did came back, so put back old hack
2019-04-09 10:31 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-04-09 10:32 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-09 10:32 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008513.
2019-04-09 10:32 <osmantis> Bug #8513:04 Teleport refused because failed to verify user presence 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8513 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008515.
2019-04-09 10:32 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): has been marked as UNRELATED TO issue 0008513.
2019-04-09 10:32 <osmantis> Bug #8513:04 Teleport refused because failed to verify user presence 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8513 ): has been marked as UNRELATED TO issue 0008515.
2019-04-09 10:33 <osmantis> Bug #8515:04 Mesh disappears 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8515 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008516.
2019-04-09 10:33 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008515.
2019-04-09 10:35 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-04-09 11:04 <osmantis> Bug #8513:04 Teleport refused because failed to verify user presence 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8513 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-09 11:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #6354 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-09 11:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6354: SUCCESS in 5 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6354/
2019-04-09 11:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: degradate udp network efficiency a bit
2019-04-09 12:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #6355 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-09 12:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6355: SUCCESS in 4 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6355/
2019-04-09 12:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: degradate udp network efficiency a bit more
2019-04-09 15:07 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-09 15:21 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-09 15:45 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-09 15:47 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-09 16:11 <Ai_Austin> Ubit... I was looking for a gap when you were nmoton openvue to reboot the server aftera windows update.  Just rebooting now. back up in 2 minutes.
2019-04-09 16:12 <Ubit> ok
2019-04-09 16:13 <Ai_Austin> Openvue grid back up
2019-04-09 16:13 <Ubit> ty
2019-04-09 16:14 <Ubit> im doing local tests now :)
2019-04-09 16:14 <Ai_Austin> Okay. thanks.  I will try to make careful observations of the circumstances as I spot issues.
2019-04-09 16:26 <Plugh> nmoton openvue ??
2019-04-09 17:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #6356 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-09 17:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6356: SUCCESS in 4 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6356/
2019-04-09 17:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: testing ...
2019-04-09 20:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #6357 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-09 20:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6357: SUCCESS in 4 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6357/
2019-04-09 20:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change to ping based RTO
2019-04-09 21:37 <Ubit> lol crashed at sl :)
2019-04-09 23:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #6358 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-09 23:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6358: FAILURE in 42 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6358/
2019-04-09 23:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: dont send animation before object
2019-04-09 23:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #6359 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6357 2 hr 57 min ago)
2019-04-09 23:32 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-04-09 23:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6359: FIXED in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6359/
2019-04-09 23:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file
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2019-04-10 08:53 <Ai_Austin> Openvue and AiLand grids updated to latesst dev master... and on first few tests related to mantis 8513 things look good.  Should I be tempted to do return TPs under 5 seconds as a test?
2019-04-10 08:54 <Ai_Austin> Correction... I meant mantis 8516
2019-04-10 08:59 <Ai_Austin> Was using 750Kbps. Testing now back at default FS 1500Kbps and I see the same prims missing as for last version.
2019-04-10 09:04 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-10 09:16 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-10 13:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #6360 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-04-10 13:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6360: SUCCESS in 6 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6360/
2019-04-10 13:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: degradate udp network efficiency a even more
2019-04-10 16:09 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-10 16:19 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-10 17:03 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-10 17:19 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-10 18:03 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-10 18:18 <BillBlight> Them: "IT'S BROKEN"
2019-04-10 18:18 <BillBlight> ME: "What's broken?"
2019-04-10 18:18 <BillBlight> Them: "The thing"
2019-04-10 18:18 <BillBlight> Me: "<sigh>"
2019-04-10 18:18 <BillBlight> Me: "Have you checked all your configs and your systems to make sure it is all setup correctly?"
2019-04-10 18:18 <BillBlight> Them: "My system is perfrect!"
2019-04-10 18:18 <BillBlight> Me: "<bangs head on desk>"
2019-04-10 18:20 <Tampa> I thought you worked in tech support at some point?
2019-04-10 18:20 <BillBlight> Yes, and there is a reason I don't anymore
2019-04-10 18:20 <Tampa> Heh
2019-04-10 18:20 <BillBlight> Just because you have dealt with it in the past, does not make it any less annoying or stupid
2019-04-10 18:21 <Tampa> I try to look at this from the other angle, I'm always happy because I know I am not that mentally deficient
2019-04-10 18:22 <BillBlight> No comment ....... :P
2019-04-10 18:26 <Tampa> You and me both ;P
2019-04-10 20:20 <Plugh> :)
2019-04-10 20:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #6361 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-10 20:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6361: SUCCESS in 5 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6361/
2019-04-10 20:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do disable probes when voc is disabled
2019-04-11 22:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #6362 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-11 22:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6362: SUCCESS in 6 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6362/
2019-04-11 22:54 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: update warp3d.dll
2019-04-11 22:54 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: warp3d: reduce work prims textures to at most 256x256
2019-04-11 23:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #6363 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-11 23:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6363: SUCCESS in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6363/
2019-04-11 23:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update warp3d.dll
2019-04-12 16:20 <osmantis> Bug #8517:04 Blank texture entries in PRIM_TEXTURE instruction not working anymore 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8517 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-04-13 08:00 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-13 13:25 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-13 14:23 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-04-13 14:33 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-13 14:37 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-13 15:24 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-13 15:34 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-13 16:53 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-13 16:57 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-13 16:59 <BillBlight> Wahhhhhhh my 12 year old script does not work right
2019-04-13 17:05 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-13 17:10 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-13 17:12 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-13 17:19 <BillBlight> Ok explain this to me, one person has an issue, and it is IMMEDIATELY a BUG, then why does One person NOT having the issue negate it being a bug.  Bugs are generally reproduceable, on more than just one system.  I don't understand the mindset, "If It's broken for me it must be broken for everyone"
2019-04-13 17:20 <Tampa> Again, typical tech support ain't it xD
2019-04-13 17:20 <BillBlight> But inversely if one system does not reproduce the bug then doesn't that point to system configuration issues, or other incompatibilities ...  
2019-04-13 17:20 <BillBlight> Ok someone other than Tampa expain it .... 
2019-04-13 17:40 <Plugh> When is a bug not a bug?  ;)
2019-04-13 17:45 <BillBlight> exactly
2019-04-13 17:45 <BillBlight> When is a bug "The boy who cried wolf" and when is the sky ACTUALLY falling ...
2019-04-13 19:20 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-13 22:27 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-13 22:44 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-13 22:47 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-13 23:35 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-13 23:48 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-14 14:16 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-15 11:45 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-15 11:53 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-15 13:08 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-15 23:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #6364 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-15 23:43 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 00:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #6365 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-16 00:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6365: SUCCESS in 9 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6365/
2019-04-16 00:15 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8518: Yengine; we can't wait for GC (worse finalizers) to count released memory of some local variables, so add a pseudo free; fix memory account on timeslice rentry; change the folder for the debug IL files; fix memory usage on reset. This changes will only take effect on new compiles
2019-04-16 00:15 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Ynegine: add some missing memory usage on script reset
2019-04-16 06:51 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 07:13 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 07:15 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 07:28 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 07:31 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 07:33 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 07:50 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 07:56 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 08:02 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 08:25 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 08:29 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 08:41 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 08:47 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 08:59 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 09:21 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 09:39 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 09:40 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 09:53 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 09:57 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 10:01 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 10:06 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 10:09 <Tampa> 0_0
2019-04-16 10:12 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 10:13 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 10:44 <Tampa> Poor osmantis getting a workout over there huh
2019-04-16 10:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #6366 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-16 10:47 <Tampa> Whether it is a bug, whether the script is incomplete, not reliably reproducible, all don't matter given the nature of YEngine being not yet fully verified to be flawless, if such a thing even exists in the given context. Every hint at a potential bug should be investigated regardless of who reports it, even if just to rule out fault in YEngine, no else can you establish any sort of trust in it and potentially one day use it as default.
2019-04-16 10:48 <BillBlight> No shit sherlock, but if the person will not give you the complete script that causes the bug , a little hard to replicate and investigate
2019-04-16 10:49 <BillBlight> "My script is broke" does not help much
2019-04-16 10:49 <Tampa> Idiocy is a given these days as sad as that is
2019-04-16 10:50 <Tampa> If stupidity was painful the screaming would have the aliens blanket us in foam to muffle the noise
2019-04-16 10:51 <Tampa> Seriously brightens your day to think how loud some folks would need to scream and how hilarious that would look :)
2019-04-16 11:55 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 13:26 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 14:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #6367 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-16 14:54 <osmantis> Bug #8519:04 Delete unlinked objects from in world does not always persist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8519 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-04-16 14:54 <osmantis> Bug #8519:04 Delete unlinked objects from in world does not always persist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8519 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006175.
2019-04-16 14:54 <osmantis> Bug #6175:04 Rez an object from inventory and later remove it does not always persist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6175 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008519.
2019-04-16 14:54 <osmantis> Bug #8519:04 Delete unlinked objects from in world does not always persist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8519 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007064.
2019-04-16 14:54 <osmantis> Bug #7064:04 Copies of linked primitives occasionally persist in region storage 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7064 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008519.
2019-04-16 14:54 <osmantis> Bug #8519:04 Delete unlinked objects from in world does not always persist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8519 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0003059.
2019-04-16 14:55 <osmantis> Bug #3059:04 Non-root prims deleted shortly after delink always reappear on server restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3059 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008519.
2019-04-16 14:56 <osmantis> Bug #8519:04 Delete unlinked objects from in world does not always persist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8519 ): has been marked as UNRELATED TO issue 0006175.
2019-04-16 14:56 <osmantis> Bug #6175:04 Rez an object from inventory and later remove it does not always persist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6175 ): has been marked as UNRELATED TO issue 0008519.
2019-04-16 14:56 <osmantis> Bug #8519:04 Delete unlinked objects from in world does not always persist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8519 ): has been marked as UNRELATED TO issue 0007064.
2019-04-16 14:56 <osmantis> Bug #7064:04 Copies of linked primitives occasionally persist in region storage 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7064 ): has been marked as UNRELATED TO issue 0008519.
2019-04-16 14:56 <osmantis> Bug #8519:04 Delete unlinked objects from in world does not always persist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8519 ): has been marked as UNRELATED TO issue 0003059.
2019-04-16 14:56 <osmantis> Bug #3059:04 Non-root prims deleted shortly after delink always reappear on server restart 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3059 ): has been marked as UNRELATED TO issue 0008519.
2019-04-16 14:57 <Tampa> wtf
2019-04-16 14:58 <osmantis> Bug #8519:04 Delete unlinked objects from in world does not always persist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 15:08 <osmantis> Bug #8519:04 Delete unlinked objects from in world does not always persist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 15:37 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-16 16:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #6368 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-16 16:35 <Ubit> grrr
2019-04-16 17:59 <BillBlight> meeting time
2019-04-18 12:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #6370 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-18 12:20 <osmantis> Bug #7807:04 Hypergrid asset issues in PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7807 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-18 12:20 <osmantis> Bug #8517:04 Blank texture entries in PRIM_TEXTURE instruction not working anymore 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8517 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-18 12:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6370: SUCCESS in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6370/
2019-04-18 12:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  mantis 8517: let texture argument of PRIM_TEXTURE  only change the other parameters. On PRIM_NORMAL and PRIM_SPECULAR  will be as NULL_KEY removing the material. This may be changed for coerence in future
2019-04-18 12:25 <osmantis> Bug #7807:04 Hypergrid asset issues in PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7807 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-18 12:25 <osmantis> Bug #6126:04 axis-aligned bounds-constrained chat 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6126 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-18 12:41 <djphil> It's a shame that the texture settings projections are not accessible via llSet * PrimitiveParams *
2019-04-18 12:41 <djphil> It was added in aureora and it was really good and effective.
2019-04-18 12:52 <Ubit> texture settings projections ?
2019-04-18 12:53 <djphil> Ho you don't know :o
2019-04-18 12:53 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsSetProjectionParams
2019-04-18 12:54 <djphil> with these, prim's are accessible only via uuid ... nothink for link/ link set, link all others etc ...
2019-04-18 12:55 <djphil> and allways requiere 2 command instread of only one ...
2019-04-18 12:55 <Ubit> ahh projectors
2019-04-18 12:55 <djphil> (for enabling point light)
2019-04-18 12:56 <djphil> welcome to PRIM_PROJECTION
2019-04-18 12:58 <djphil> I am also surprised that it does not silk already added in SL too ...
2019-04-18 12:58 <djphil> I really wonder why ...
2019-04-18 13:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #6371 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-18 13:02 <Ubit> oops "" eatten :)
2019-04-18 13:03 <djphil> Good eat! :)
2019-04-18 13:03 <osmantis> Bug #8517:04 Blank texture entries in PRIM_TEXTURE instruction not working anymore 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8517 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-18 13:04 <Ubit> well if we have the ossl for projection whats the prob?
2019-04-18 13:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6371: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6371/
2019-04-18 13:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  mantis 8517: actually let NULL_KEY do the same as  on PRIM_TEXTURE
2019-04-18 13:07 <djphil> well if we have the ossl for projection whats the prob?
2019-04-18 13:07 <djphil> Well to work it needs point light and also with no access to "link" but only to uuid.
2019-04-18 13:07 <djphil> So llSetPrimLinkPrimitiveParamsFast (LINK_SET, [POINT_LIGHT, ..., PRIM_PROJECTION, ...]); in the same function would be practical, useful and effective. It had been added in this way in Aurora
2019-04-18 13:08 <Ubit> well we like to keep ll* close to sl
2019-04-18 13:08 <Ubit> with a few exceptions like this on prim_texture
2019-04-18 13:08 <djphil> yeah
2019-04-18 13:09 <Ubit> no idea why SL just destroys the textures setting them to uuid.zero == grey
2019-04-18 13:09 <Ubit> when they say on wiki that if id not found it fails
2019-04-18 13:11 <djphil> it is also not gray by default for the media texture. this is also a regression if the displayed content is not explicit, the content will be gray ... very ugly. And without possible fullbright car gray background.
2019-04-18 13:11 <djphil> Before it was white by default and it was just perfect ... but they did it :(
2019-04-18 13:12 <djphil> changed*
2019-04-18 14:26 <Ubit> media texture?
2019-04-18 14:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #6372 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-18 14:27 <Ubit> what comand(s) changed on the media texture ?
2019-04-18 14:29 <Ubit> white is a specify texture id
2019-04-18 14:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6372: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6372/
2019-04-18 14:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change osSetProjectionParams a bit and add a variant that atkes a linknumber argument. For now can only change one prim per call
2019-04-18 14:38 <djphil> Ho yeah ho yeah :p
2019-04-18 14:38 <djphil> ty sir!
2019-04-18 14:42 <djphil> Wowowowww the wiki is already up to date ^^
2019-04-18 14:42 <Ubit> working on it
2019-04-18 14:43 <djphil> i see CodyCooper create nice pages on wiki
2019-04-18 14:44 <djphil> Who is the mysterious person behind this pseudonym
2019-04-18 14:53 <Ubit> ok how is the wiki now ?
2019-04-18 14:54 <Ubit> and now ? :)
2019-04-18 14:59 <djphil> Well I would say the example script is bad ... because texture projection needs PRIM_POINT_LIGHT to work properly
2019-04-18 15:00 <Ubit> it does tell that
2019-04-18 15:01 <Ubit> well was the old example, only added the new one
2019-04-18 15:01 <djphil> Do not worry, I'm going to do that
2019-04-18 15:01 <Ubit> oki
2019-04-18 15:02 <Ubit> can also improve the EN :)
2019-04-18 15:02 <djphil> Yeah my english is all rotten :(
2019-04-18 15:13 <H-H-H> hi guys does anyone know of a version of xmlrpc groups that uses mysqli 
2019-04-18 15:15 <djphil> Not sure if Plugh put the xmlrpc.php (mysqli verion) on github
2019-04-18 15:15 <djphil> But i can send you my verion of it
2019-04-18 15:16 <H-H-H> djphil i would have your babies if it works i tried converting the normal one and its not happy lol
2019-04-18 15:16 <djphil> Yeah ... Group have a lot of buggy
2019-04-18 15:16 <H-H-H> if you have a link or better a github repo ?
2019-04-18 15:16 <djphil> and if you use with php7.x agin more problems with libs
2019-04-18 15:17 <Plugh> djphil: Uploading the changes to groups is one more thing on my todo list. :P
2019-04-18 15:17 <H-H-H> well im on arch linux lol so yeah php 7 but the only thing that doesnt work at moment is the classifieds and groups
2019-04-18 15:17 <djphil> wmlrpc.php (mysqli) @ https://pastebin.com/02rTK5gn
2019-04-18 15:19 <djphil> hhh: The file is not 2000% clean I still need to clean ... but it works well at home with php 7.3.1
2019-04-18 15:19 <H-H-H> im using Plugh please make it soon as it would be nice to have a full set of addons that work lol
2019-04-18 15:19 <H-H-H> ok djphil ty i will have a try
2019-04-18 15:20 <H-H-H> wierd lol sorry about the extra "im using" lol
2019-04-18 15:20 <djphil> under php7, probably you need to fix some class name in xmlrpc libs
2019-04-18 15:21 <Plugh> H-H-H: classifieds? That is separate from groups. Are you using the built-in core profile module or the OpenSimProfile module?
2019-04-18 15:21 <djphil> some need to be remplaces .... function NAME by function __construct
2019-04-18 15:22 <Plugh> djphil: ?
2019-04-18 15:22 <Plugh> PHP7 changed how classes are defined?
2019-04-18 15:22 <H-H-H> yes Plugh im using OpenSimProfile if you can point me to one that should work i will gladly try it
2019-04-18 15:23 <djphil> Plugh i say xmlrpc libs need small update to work without error under php7
2019-04-18 15:24 <djphil> some are depreciated
2019-04-18 15:24 <Plugh> H-H-H: https://github.com/kcozens/OpenSimProfile
2019-04-18 15:24 <Plugh> djphil: I only modified the main file. I didn't change anything in the phpxmlrpclib directory that is used by add-on groups.
2019-04-18 15:25 <H-H-H> ok it looks like im getting an invalid xml response lol time to go digging
2019-04-18 15:25 <djphil> ok, ... but i have fixed the libs too :p
2019-04-18 15:25 <H-H-H> ty Plugh i think thats the one i tried
2019-04-18 15:25 <Plugh> H-H-H: I also have the matching OpenSimSearch profile updated for use with PHP7.
2019-04-18 15:26 <H-H-H> well im using all the old style modules so anything that works with mysqli and php7 is greatly apreciated
2019-04-18 15:26 <djphil> we have similar problem with search, profils and groups
2019-04-18 15:27 <H-H-H> hey djphil why not zip them up ?
2019-04-18 15:27 <djphil> i will do that one day
2019-04-18 15:27 <Ubit> ( that means never.. )
2019-04-18 15:27 <djphil> but is a bit complicated to make somethink 100% clean
2019-04-18 15:27 <Plugh> I haven't noticed problems with anything in groups other than the main file that accessed the database.
2019-04-18 15:28 <Ubit> dj what media texture got broken ??
2019-04-18 15:28 <H-H-H> im not worried how clean it is at this stage just something that works would be a start lol can work on cleaning up later 
2019-04-18 15:28 <Tampa> Surprised no one bothered to do that yet, it's not all complicated to bring that code up to php standard actually
2019-04-18 15:28 <Tampa> php is easy
2019-04-18 15:29 <Plugh> H-H-H: If you have a problem with the OpenSimProfile or OpenSimSearch module, file a report, or tell me. I maintain them. AFAIK, they are working unless there has been some other change to PHP7 that I haven't run across.
2019-04-18 15:29 <Plugh> I'm only on PHP 7.0
2019-04-18 15:30 <djphil> Plugh, try to enabling error reporting to all ... and you can see all errors remaining :)
2019-04-18 15:30 <Tampa> xmlrpc for the landtool requires a specific delivery method under latest php otherwise it doesn't work, that was a pain to debug
2019-04-18 15:31 <Tampa> I think I have 3 different versions of that now and despite them creating the same xml output only one works properly
2019-04-18 15:31 <djphil> true Tampa, that was a pain :s
2019-04-18 15:32 <Tampa> The more of those things I update the more I wonder if simian grid might not be ready for a revival
2019-04-18 15:32 <H-H-H> im on Version 7.3.3-1
2019-04-18 15:33 <Tampa> robust as php-fpm, would be faster and crash less, but I got other stuff to do heh
2019-04-18 15:38 <H-H-H> now going to try ok Plugh i did a clean db then imported the sql and used the profile_mysql1.php and i can create and publish a classified and the viewer thinks its done but it never makes it to db and if you close profile then reopen it and go to classifieds tab then no classifieds 
2019-04-18 15:39 <Plugh> djphil: There is a lot of code in the phpxmlrpclib. I didn't want to get in to fixing all of that stuff. I was hoping the person who wrote (and maintains) that library would update it.
2019-04-18 15:41 <djphil> classifields in profile requeire search module to work proprely i think HHH
2019-04-18 15:42 <djphil> hre is my files Plugh http://digigrids.no-ip.org/hhh/
2019-04-18 15:42 <djphil> i mean my modified libs
2019-04-18 16:00 <osmantis> Bug #8517:04 Blank texture entries in PRIM_TEXTURE instruction not working anymore 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8517 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-18 19:21 <Plugh> djphil: URL not found on server.
2019-04-18 19:22 <djphil> you mean http://digigrids.no-ip.org/hhh/ ?
2019-04-18 19:24 <Plugh> yes
2019-04-18 19:24 <djphil> try this http://digigrids.no-ip.org/plugh/
2019-04-18 19:24 <Plugh> That worked
2019-04-18 19:24 <djphil> :)
2019-04-18 19:26 <Plugh> Just the one .zip file?
2019-04-18 19:26 <djphil> yes
2019-04-18 19:26 <Plugh> ok
2019-04-18 19:26 <djphil> the folder is individual files
2019-04-18 19:26 <Plugh> Got it. Thanks.
2019-04-18 19:26 <djphil> yw
2019-04-18 19:26 <Plugh> The folder was empty.
2019-04-18 19:26 <djphil> isn't lol
2019-04-18 19:27 <djphil> but my server don't display .inc files seams ^^
2019-04-18 19:28 <Plugh> Perhaps the perms weren't set correctly on the files.
2019-04-18 19:28 <Plugh> oh, or it could be that. :)
2019-04-18 19:28 <Plugh> I had to teach my server how to show .pl files
2019-04-18 19:34 <djphil> what do you do with perpl ?
2019-04-18 19:34 <djphil> perl*
2019-04-18 19:34 <djphil> you do opensim stuffs with it ?
2019-04-18 19:58 <Plugh> I used Perl to manipulate text files. For another project I used it to extract and reformat data saved by a program.
2019-04-18 19:58 <Plugh> I'm also using it in a current project to convert schematic files made by one program in to files that can be used by another schematic capture program.
2019-04-18 19:59 <djphil> ho oki
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2019-04-21 10:24 <osmantis> Bug #8304:04 Random textures are getting stuck in request queue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8304 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-21 10:31 <osmantis> Bug #8519:04 Delete unlinked objects from in world does not always persist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-04-23 15:55 <osmantis> Bug #8521:04 OAR and IAR archivers create invalid XML-Files in archive 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8521 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-04-23 17:43 <BillBlight> almost meeting time
2019-04-23 18:01 <BillBlight> Someone wake up Ubit
2019-04-23 18:06 <Ubit> Nooooo let me sleeeeepppp
2019-04-23 22:52 <osmantis> Bug #3524:04 [FreeSwitchVoice] Service restarts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3524 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-04-23 22:52 <osmantis> Bug #3536:04 [FreeSwitchVoice] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3536 ): The RELATED issue 0003524 has been RESOLVED.
2019-04-23 22:55 <osmantis> Bug #3536:04 [FreeSwitchVoice] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3536 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2019-04-24 16:19 <osmantis> Bug #4275:04 Group tag shows unescaped version of the Group name 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4275 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-24 16:22 <osmantis> Bug #4275:04 Group tag shows unescaped version of the Group name 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4275 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-04-24 17:53 <osmantis> Bug #5532:04 ROBUST - Worrying Log Message - [HOME AGENT HANDLER]: Unauthorized machine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5532 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-24 17:54 <osmantis> Bug #5532:04 ROBUST - Worrying Log Message - [HOME AGENT HANDLER]: Unauthorized machine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5532 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2019-04-24 17:55 <osmantis> Bug #5532:04 ROBUST - Worrying Log Message - [HOME AGENT HANDLER]: Unauthorized machine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5532 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-04-24 17:59 <osmantis> Bug #5896:04 Abuse Report Configuration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5896 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-24 17:59 <osmantis> Bug #5896:04 Abuse Report Configuration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5896 ): has been ACKNOWLEDGED.
2019-04-25 08:16 <osmantis> Bug #8522:04 MAP-uuid.png images location improvement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8522 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-04-25 09:08 <osmantis> Bug #8522:04 MAP-uuid.png images location improvement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8522 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-25 09:15 <osmantis> Bug #8522:04 MAP-uuid.png images location improvement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8522 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-25 10:44 <osmantis> Bug #5896:04 Abuse Report Configuration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5896 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-04-25 12:21 <osmantis> Bug #8522:04 MAP-uuid.png images location improvement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8522 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-25 12:39 <osmantis> Bug #8522:04 MAP-uuid.png images location improvement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8522 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-25 15:01 <osmantis> Bug #8522:04 MAP-uuid.png images location improvement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8522 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-25 15:36 <osmantis> Bug #8522:04 MAP-uuid.png images location improvement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8522 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-04-26 10:15 <osmantis> Bug #7511:04 type cast exceptions using remote admin save/load oar functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7511 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-26 16:03 <osmantis> Bug #7511:04 type cast exceptions using remote admin save/load oar functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7511 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-26 16:13 <osmantis> Bug #7511:04 type cast exceptions using remote admin save/load oar functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7511 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-26 23:19 <argentwolf> Hello! I just got referred here from the main #opensim. Not quite sure why. (:
2019-04-26 23:20 <BillBlight> Well you asked if the project was still alive, this is where all the development takes place
2019-04-26 23:21 <BillBlight> http://opensimulator.org
2019-04-26 23:21 <BillBlight> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=shortlog&p=opensim
2019-04-26 23:21 <BillBlight> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/my_view_page.php
2019-04-26 23:22 <argentwolf> So as a user, should I download the development version instead of the stable version?
2019-04-26 23:23 <H-H-H> thats upto you if it breaks you get to keep all the pieces :)
2019-04-26 23:23 <BillBlight> yep
2019-04-26 23:23 <BillBlight> you would have to self compile the dev version
2019-04-26 23:23 <BillBlight> but if you want all the new toys, bells and whistles then yes
2019-04-26 23:23 <BillBlight> and all the drama, bugs, and cofusion that comes with them
2019-04-26 23:24 <argentwolf> Cool. I'm on Mac, so presumably I have all the tools I'd need, although I'll have to see about dependencies.
2019-04-26 23:24 <argentwolf> I think I'll try stable first, though. (:
2019-04-26 23:26 <osmantis> Bug #3749:04 ircbridge module does not display all chat from the channel 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3749 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-26 23:26 <misterblue> the core developers are usually pretty good a keeping downward compatibility
2019-04-26 23:27 <misterblue> it's the most common complaint :)
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2019-04-27 17:36 <djphil> ping Tampa
2019-04-27 17:36 <djphil> Do you remember when did you implement NPC profile image / about?
2019-04-27 17:37 <djphil> Is already in opensim 0.9.0.1 Release?
2019-04-27 17:37 <djphil> or master only ... ?
2019-04-27 17:48 <Plugh> osNpcSetProfileAbout() function was added Tue Dec 6 17:05:02 2016 +0000
2019-04-27 17:48 <djphil> 2016 :o wow !
2019-04-27 17:49 <djphil> It's directly related to the profile module?
2019-04-27 17:50 <djphil> (An Npc is not a real profile in the database, unless I'm mistaken ...).
2019-04-27 17:50 <Plugh> You would need support for avatar profiles to be able to access NPC profiles.
2019-04-27 17:51 <djphil> Ha okay ...
2019-04-27 17:51 <djphil> i search on your github where you have added that ...
2019-04-27 17:51 <djphil> https://github.com/kcozens/OpenSimProfile/commits/master
2019-04-27 17:52 <djphil> ok found :)
2019-04-27 18:00 <djphil> Hmmm seams isn't implemented yet in jOpenssim Profile ...
2019-04-27 18:00 <djphil> i have compared the  code from you and jopensim profile
2019-04-27 19:18 <Plugh> ok
2019-04-27 19:51 <djphil> Is it implemented in your Opensim fork Bill?
2019-04-27 21:14 <Tampa> I don't recall having implemented that, I do know of a patch for it that I have somewhere, but I don't know on which hdd that is on either
2019-04-27 21:15 <Tampa> It was something of a larger thing with the web profiles and the classifieds as well iirc
2019-04-27 21:15 <djphil> Yeah, I was wrong, it's not you, it's Mandarinka Tasty
2019-04-27 21:16 <djphil> Ho, it's also related to IRC module :o
2019-04-27 21:37 <Tampa> Wouldn't be able to share them anyways since I don't own the rights to the code
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2019-04-29 14:22 <osmantis> Bug #8519:04 Delete unlinked objects from in world does not always persist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-04-29 21:21 <osmantis> Bug #8523:04 Add configurable option for NPC account type for NPC's using osNpcSetProfileAbout 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8523 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-04-29 21:21 <djphil> Enjoy! :)
2019-04-29 21:22 <osmantis> Bug #8523:04 Add configurable option for NPC account type for NPC's using osNpcSetProfileAbout 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8523 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-04-29 21:23 <osmantis> Bug #8523:04 Add configurable option for NPC account type for NPC's using osNpcSetProfileAbout 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8523 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-04-29 21:25 <osmantis> Bug #8523:04 Add configurable option for NPC account type for NPC's using osNpcSetProfileAbout 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8523 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-04-30 13:36 <osmantis> Bug #8524:04 Build error in Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8524 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-04-30 15:01 <osmantis> Bug #8523:04 Add configurable option for NPC account type for NPC's using osNpcSetProfileAbout 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8523 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-30 15:13 <osmantis> Bug #8523:04 Add configurable option for NPC account type for NPC's using osNpcSetProfileAbout 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8523 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-30 15:14 <osmantis> Bug #8524:04 Build error in Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8524 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-30 15:38 <osmantis> Bug #8524:04 Build error in Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8524 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-30 15:48 <osmantis> Bug #8524:04 Build error in Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8524 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-30 15:50 <osmantis> Bug #8523:04 Add configurable option for NPC account type for NPC's using osNpcSetProfileAbout 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8523 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-30 15:54 <osmantis> Bug #8524:04 Build error in Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8524 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-30 15:57 <osmantis> Bug #8524:04 Build error in Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8524 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-30 16:02 <osmantis> Bug #8524:04 Build error in Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8524 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-30 16:04 <osmantis> Bug #8524:04 Build error in Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8524 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-30 16:10 <osmantis> Bug #8524:04 Build error in Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8524 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-30 16:23 <osmantis> Bug #8524:04 Build error in Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8524 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-30 16:24 <osmantis> Bug #8524:04 Build error in Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8524 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-04-30 16:27 <BillBlight> Imagine that their build system was not as "perfect" as they thought, and like a miracle it was not opensimulators fault ...
2019-04-30 17:44 <BillBlight> Meeting 15 minute warning ..
2019-04-30 18:16 <Plugh> Bill, I thought that is supposed to be 2 minute warning. ;)
2019-04-30 18:41 <BillBlight> Some people need a longer warning ..  :P
2019-04-30 18:59 <osmantis> Bug #2430:04 [potential sim crashing] Rezzing physicals objects continiusly crash a sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=2430 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-04-30 18:59 <osmantis> Bug #2430:04 [potential sim crashing] Rezzing physicals objects continiusly crash a sim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=2430 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-04-30 20:25 <Ubit> gezz why did GoT mess up so much that damm battle? grrr
2019-04-30 20:26 <Ubit> any wargaming kid whould lead that battle a lot better than they did
2019-04-30 21:08 <RazWelles> is libomv still being maintained?
2019-04-30 21:08 <Ubit> the one we use is at:
2019-04-30 21:09 <Ubit> https://bitbucket.org/opensimulator/
2019-04-30 21:09 <RazWelles> oh okay, is that mirrored to github or is github behind?
2019-04-30 21:09 <Ubit> for now just there
2019-04-30 21:29 <RazWelles> Would I need to talk to anyone to host a web page for libomv information, and maybe some compiled builds?
2019-04-30 21:30 <RazWelles> Or start a discussion group in SL?
2019-04-30 21:43 <Ubit> there are several forks of libomv now 
2019-04-30 21:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #6373 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-30 21:57 <Ubit> grrr why did this crap win update changed the look of my things
2019-04-30 21:58 <Ubit> oops
2019-04-30 21:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6373: SUCCESS in 6 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6373/
2019-04-30 21:59 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: old typo
2019-04-30 21:59 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: primbasicshape: convert eventual MeshEP to SculpEP
2019-04-30 22:02 <Ubit> why do i rename things grrr :)
2019-04-30 22:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #6374 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-04-30 22:03 <Ubit> damm
2019-04-30 22:04 <Ubit> and automatic rename that hides all changes grrrr
2019-04-30 22:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6374: FAILURE in 1 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6374/
2019-04-30 22:05 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: sop: rename a few fields
2019-04-30 22:05 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: missing files...
2019-04-30 22:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #6375 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6373 11 min ago)
2019-04-30 22:05 <Ubit> well and this shows the rename was actually wrong  grrr
2019-04-30 22:05 <Ubit> well in formal terms, not pratical ones
2019-04-30 22:09 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-04-30 22:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6375: FIXED in 4 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6375/
2019-04-30 22:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing files...
2019-04-30 22:44 <Ubit> damm update also messed up FS stored accounts grrr
2019-05-01 00:37 <Ubit> fee? ooops that was feedback expected
2019-05-01 00:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #6376 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-05-01 00:42 <Ubit> hmm no crossings
2019-05-01 00:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6376: SUCCESS in 5 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6376/
2019-05-01 00:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add osLocalTeleportAgent(key agent, vector position, vector velocity, vector lookat, LSL_Integer flags). Velocity only works with ubOde but still not good. flags = bit field: 1 use velocity, 2 use lookat, 4 rotate avatar look in current velocity direction (ignored if 2 ie flag = 7 is same as 3). This bypasses most the unnecessary logic of osTeleportAgent, having usage same permissions. It may do region crossings(?). Experimental stage
2019-05-01 02:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #6377 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-05-01 02:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6377: SUCCESS in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6377/
2019-05-01 02:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: osLocalTeleportAgent: no region crossings :( ; check avatar access to target position; flag 8 == force fly; 16 force nofly (both == fly)
2019-05-01 16:20 <H-H-H> hey guys whats the webui ppl are using these days
2019-05-01 22:04 <Ubit> added http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsLocalTeleportAgent
2019-05-01 22:04 <djphil> yeap i have see :)
2019-05-01 22:13 <Ubit> updated 
2019-05-01 22:17 <Ubit> makes sense?
2019-05-01 22:17 <Ubit> ( a totally dif question is, does it work? :) )
2019-05-01 22:18 <djphil> i don't know, no master installed at home for the moment :s
2019-05-01 22:26 <Ubit> changed a bit more :)
2019-05-01 22:26 <djphil> Do you want a pretty template for "experimentals" functions ?
2019-05-01 22:27 <Ubit> how do you know i did tried that? lol
2019-05-01 22:27 <djphil> Mmmmm :p
2019-05-01 22:27 <Ubit> in place on new :)
2019-05-01 22:27 <Ubit> of
2019-05-01 22:27 <djphil> ok i can do that for you :)
2019-05-01 22:28 <Ubit> for us, you mean :)
2019-05-01 22:28 <djphil> yes if you prefer
2019-05-01 22:28 <djphil> what desired color ?
2019-05-01 22:28 <djphil> like SL lol
2019-05-01 22:30 <Ubit> well no red i guess :)
2019-05-01 22:30 <Ubit> not
2019-05-01 22:30 <Ubit> white would be bad also 
2019-05-01 22:30 <djphil> red is deprecied i think ...
2019-05-01 22:30 <Ubit> :)
2019-05-01 22:31 <djphil> False, deprecied is orange on SL wiki
2019-05-01 22:32 <Ubit> hmm not sure communist parties got that memo
2019-05-01 22:32 <djphil> "Experiemental don't existe on SL hahaha
2019-05-01 22:32 <djphil> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Category:LSL_Functions
2019-05-01 22:32 <Ubit> and since when we copy them ??
2019-05-01 22:33 <Ubit> well guess since ever lol
2019-05-01 22:34 <djphil> for experimental, I propose a red "E" if it's ok for you
2019-05-01 22:35 <Ubit> why not Experimental text ?
2019-05-01 22:36 <Ubit> so ppl does not need to look to the table
2019-05-01 22:36 <djphil> it is too long ...
2019-05-01 22:36 <djphil> is only a badge lol
2019-05-01 22:36 <Ubit> well yeah.. but on that sl i need to go look to table all the time :)
2019-05-01 22:37 <djphil> mousse hover badge display legend :p
2019-05-01 22:37 <Ubit> oops :)
2019-05-01 22:39 <Ubit> well i don't have a mousse, only a mouse
2019-05-01 22:39 <Ubit> hihihi
2019-05-01 22:39 <djphil> oops :)
2019-05-01 22:46 <djphil> Modified ...
2019-05-01 22:46 <Ubit> nice :)
2019-05-01 22:46 <Ubit> but no mousse
2019-05-01 22:47 <Ubit> hmm or mousse also tells new
2019-05-01 22:47 <Ubit> hmm put Exp maybe ?
2019-05-01 22:48 <djphil> try now
2019-05-01 22:48 <Ubit> i mean in place of just E
2019-05-01 22:48 <Ubit> yeap shows Experimental now
2019-05-01 22:49 <Ubit> exp is short and easy to decode fast
2019-05-01 22:49 <djphil> refresh
2019-05-01 22:49 <Ubit> nice :)
2019-05-01 22:49 <djphil> :)
2019-05-01 22:50 <Ubit> now we only need it to actually work
2019-05-01 22:50 <Ubit> lol
2019-05-01 22:52 <djphil> my last OS update is with "change osSetProjectionParams"
2019-05-01 22:55 <Ubit> added the point light?
2019-05-01 22:56 <djphil> you have add that too ? :o
2019-05-01 22:56 <Ubit> no, you said you would
2019-05-01 22:57 <djphil> ha that ... i have to that already :)
2019-05-01 22:57 <djphil> 3 separate exemples ....
2019-05-01 22:57 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsSetProjectionParams
2019-05-01 23:02 <djphil> on the other hand I would suggest having light point included in a single function ... to avoid the use of 2 separate functions to have a projection.
2019-05-01 23:02 <djphil> really projection should be in llSetPrimitiveParams *
2019-05-01 23:03 <djphil> OS does it, it does not break the SL scripts
2019-05-01 23:03 <djphil> we have already added NPC in sensor for example.
2019-05-01 23:03 <djphil> it is not "like SL" either
2019-05-01 23:04 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsLocalTeleportAgent updated :)
2019-05-01 23:06 <djphil> It's so much better when it's complete and well explained :)
2019-05-01 23:07 <djphil> Did you see my request for particles?
2019-05-01 23:08 <Ubit> no
2019-05-01 23:08 <Ubit> at least don't remember
2019-05-01 23:08 <djphil> by uuid target
2019-05-01 23:08 <djphil> like projections ^^
2019-05-01 23:09 <djphil> by link, by uuid, or normal
2019-05-01 23:09 <Ubit> outch
2019-05-01 23:09 <Ubit> u ask 2 much :p
2019-05-01 23:09 <djphil> well we have already normal and link ... only uuid is missing
2019-05-01 23:10 <djphil> 2 != 1 :p
2019-05-01 23:10 <Ubit> nahh 2 halfs = 1
2019-05-01 23:10 <Ubit> or ==
2019-05-01 23:10 <djphil> mom, lets me verify that
2019-05-02 00:05 <Ubit> uff a few more changes :)
2019-05-02 00:05 <Ubit> on http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsLocalTeleportAgent
2019-05-02 00:07 <djphil> why i can see "void" ?
2019-05-02 00:07 <Ubit> bc it is there?
2019-05-02 00:08 <Ubit> we have it everywhere.. maybe we should take it since it is not lsl
2019-05-02 00:09 <Ubit> ok did on this one :)
2019-05-02 00:11 <djphil> we have removed the word "void" everywhere on OSSL
2019-05-02 00:11 <Ubit> not really
2019-05-02 00:11 <Ubit> there in a lot of places
2019-05-02 00:12 <djphil> I even think it was you who asked for it ^^
2019-05-02 00:12 <djphil> remplaced by 'string" or others ...
2019-05-02 00:12 <Ubit> nopes just didn't look to it and kept adding things with it doing c&p
2019-05-02 00:13 <Ubit> deleting some :)
2019-05-02 00:13 <djphil> Better now :)
2019-05-02 00:14 <Ubit> uff void is everywhere
2019-05-02 00:14 <Ubit> and Void :)
2019-05-02 00:15 <djphil> Honestly, I do not even know what it is ^^
2019-05-02 00:16 <Ubit> c#  c etc
2019-05-02 00:16 <Ubit> means no return value
2019-05-02 00:16 <djphil> ha oki, ty :)
2019-05-02 00:17 <djphil> maybee we can add "Type" to the ossl script template ...
2019-05-02 00:19 <Ubit> odd naming: ist osGetNumberOfAttachments
2019-05-02 00:19 <Ubit> returns a list and is called getnumber.. 
2019-05-02 00:20 <djphil> Where is the problem ?
2019-05-02 00:21 <Ubit> a number is not a list :)
2019-05-02 00:21 <djphil> Hooo i see, true :)
2019-05-02 00:21 <Ubit> but well its there and old
2019-05-02 00:22 <djphil> Are you afraid of breaking the scripts?
2019-05-02 00:22 <Ubit> gezz im getting older deleting voids 
2019-05-02 00:22 <djphil> loool
2019-05-02 00:54 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsStringLastIndexOf
2019-05-02 00:54 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsStringIndexOf
2019-05-02 00:55 <djphil> error on this page http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsStringReplace
2019-05-02 00:56 <Ubit> still on it
2019-05-02 00:56 <djphil> :)
2019-05-02 01:02 <Ubit> see now
2019-05-02 01:02 <Ubit> strinf nval ??
2019-05-02 01:03 <djphil> yes
2019-05-02 01:04 <Ubit> fixed :)
2019-05-02 01:04 <Ubit> ok leave the rest of voids to you :)
2019-05-02 01:04 <djphil> Ho tank's :)
2019-05-02 01:04 <Ubit> :)
2019-05-02 01:49 <H-H-H> 
ACTION is fiddling with original wiredux webui as all other offerings are way to big and bulky

2019-05-02 02:12 <Ubit> soem.. yeah yeah
2019-05-02 02:13 <H-H-H> typolitus ? lol
2019-05-02 02:13 <Ubit> :)
2019-05-02 02:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #6378 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-05-02 02:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6378: SUCCESS in 5 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6378/
2019-05-02 02:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: soem cleanup
2019-05-02 23:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #6379 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-05-02 23:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6379: SUCCESS in 5 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6379/
2019-05-02 23:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: osLocalTeleportAgent: if lookat or fly options, just move the avatar, not telling viewer about any teleport
2019-05-02 23:53 <Ubit> grr if NONE of...
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2019-05-06 14:36 <BootScout> hello
2019-05-06 14:37 <BootScout> I was showing my work in an opensim localhost instalation to a friend and used the command load oar myproject2.oar or myproject1.oar to switch between projects...
2019-05-06 14:39 <BootScout> my problem is that I used the stored command using cursors to load again the 2nd project but the command was save oar myproject2.oar so now I have no project 2 both oars are project 1
2019-05-06 14:39 <BootScout> is there a fix?
2019-05-06 14:43 <BootScout> is there a way to undo a save oar?
2019-05-06 18:17 <Ubit> just save again on proper project/region ?
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2019-05-07 17:56 <Ubit> meeting ??
2019-05-07 18:06 <Plugh> Ubit: Yes, but are you awake? :)
2019-05-07 18:07 <Ubit> phone
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2019-05-12 10:58 <osmantis> Bug #8525:04 llPassCollisions() ossl version request 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8525 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-05-12 11:27 <osmantis> Bug #8525:04 llPassCollisions() ossl version request 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8525 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-05-12 11:33 <osmantis> Bug #8526:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osSetTextureAnim & osSetLinkTextureAnim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8526 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2019-05-12 11:43 <osmantis> Bug #8525:04 llPassCollisions() ossl version request 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8525 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-12 11:43 <Ubit> dj that seems redundant
2019-05-12 11:45 <djphil> bc the remote isn't linked you mean ?
2019-05-12 11:45 <Ubit> osSetTextureAnim(key primId,
2019-05-12 11:46 <djphil> :o
2019-05-12 11:46 <djphil> Why ?
2019-05-12 11:46 <Ubit> here you are asking to alloe to change any prim
2019-05-12 11:46 <djphil> Yes
2019-05-12 11:46 <djphil> and ?
2019-05-12 11:46 <Ubit> hen why the link version, you first already changes any ?
2019-05-12 11:46 <Ubit> if first...
2019-05-12 11:47 <djphil> no, not unlinked ... distant
2019-05-12 11:47 <Ubit> why the link version ?
2019-05-12 11:47 <djphil> To target a link on a distant prim
2019-05-12 11:48 <djphil> bc the distant prim can be a linkset
2019-05-12 11:48 <Ubit> why a link using also id?
2019-05-12 11:48 <djphil> (without script)
2019-05-12 11:48 <Ubit> that word mean id is a rootprim id only
2019-05-12 11:48 <Ubit> or will be a mess
2019-05-12 11:48 <djphil> as i say, to anim a texture to a link ... on a remote prim linkset (without script)
2019-05-12 11:49 <Ubit> ie behing lazy and only knowing root prim id ? :p
2019-05-12 11:49 <djphil> with all these function by uuid we can made interessing remote control
2019-05-12 11:49 <djphil> and all that with only one script !!!
2019-05-12 11:49 <djphil> :)
2019-05-12 11:50 <Ubit> well but add totally diferent threat level
2019-05-12 11:50 <djphil> that i can understand yes
2019-05-12 11:50 <Ubit> just link called on same linkset is no problem can be always allowed
2019-05-12 11:50 <djphil> and only if prim owner = remote script owner
2019-05-12 11:50 <Ubit> uuid..  always denied :p
2019-05-12 11:51 <djphil> you see here osSetPrimitiveParams
2019-05-12 11:51 <Ubit> gezz you want to have only one prim with scripts on a region??
2019-05-12 11:51 <Ubit> :)
2019-05-12 11:51 <djphil> here we can target link with PRIM_LINK_TARGET
2019-05-12 11:52 <djphil> reduce the nbr of script ies good
2019-05-12 11:52 <djphil> is*
2019-05-12 11:52 <Ubit> or only scripts on root prims :)
2019-05-12 11:52 <djphil> if all region prims are linked ... why not :p
2019-05-12 11:53 <Ubit> well ill think about it
2019-05-12 11:53 <Ubit> lazy now
2019-05-12 11:54 <djphil> heh, is sunday :p
2019-05-12 11:54 <djphil> BUT !!!
2019-05-12 11:54 <Ubit> well im lazy any day 
2019-05-12 11:54 <Ubit> :)
2019-05-12 11:54 <djphil> tody is my birthday :)
2019-05-12 11:54 <djphil> today*
2019-05-12 11:54 <Ubit> ohh sorry to read that
2019-05-12 11:54 <djphil> (lol)
2019-05-12 11:54 <Ubit> so older 
2019-05-12 11:54 <djphil> heh, is life ...
2019-05-12 11:54 <Ubit> yeah :)
2019-05-12 11:55 <djphil> this isn't a bug, just life ^^
2019-05-12 11:55 <Ubit> happybirth day :)
2019-05-12 11:55 <djphil> tyvm :)
2019-05-12 11:56 <Ubit> damm ll changed llpasscollisions
2019-05-12 11:57 <Ubit> and not easy to follow without breaking scripts
2019-05-12 11:57 <Ubit> well or our dbs at least
2019-05-12 11:58 <Ubit> hmm or not
2019-05-12 11:58 <Ubit> just a big pain
2019-05-12 11:59 <Ubit> ok oars are the issue... we do store that as bool
2019-05-12 11:59 <Ubit> whatever, will not follow sl on that for now
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2019-05-13 23:24 <osmantis> Bug #8527:04 PRIM_TEXTURE cannot change rotation without a valid texture under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8527 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-14 01:21 <osmantis> Bug #8527:04 PRIM_TEXTURE cannot change rotation without a valid texture under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8527 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-14 01:28 <osmantis> Bug #8517:04 Blank texture entries in PRIM_TEXTURE instruction not working anymore 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8517 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-14 01:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #6380 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-05-14 01:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6380: SUCCESS in 6 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6380/
2019-05-14 01:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8527 and 8517: let llSetLinkPrimitiveParam*() PRIM_TEXTURE ignore texture id/name if invalid, processing the other parameters, for compatibily with old scripts.
2019-05-14 02:02 <osmantis> Bug #8527:04 PRIM_TEXTURE cannot change rotation without a valid texture under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8527 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-14 07:51 <osmantis> Bug #8517:04 Blank texture entries in PRIM_TEXTURE instruction not working anymore 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8517 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-14 14:53 <osmantis> Bug #8528:04 Random mesh pieces do not rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8528 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-05-14 16:06 <osmantis> Bug #8528:04 Random mesh pieces do not rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8528 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008516.
2019-05-14 16:06 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008528.
2019-05-14 16:10 <osmantis> Bug #8528:04 Random mesh pieces do not rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-14 16:12 <osmantis> Bug #8528:04 Random mesh pieces do not rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-14 17:56 <Plugh> I may be a few minutes late due to some work issue.
2019-05-14 19:36 <osmantis> Bug #8527:04 PRIM_TEXTURE cannot change rotation without a valid texture under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8527 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-14 19:37 <osmantis> Bug #8527:04 PRIM_TEXTURE cannot change rotation without a valid texture under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8527 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008517.
2019-05-14 19:37 <osmantis> Bug #8517:04 Blank texture entries in PRIM_TEXTURE instruction not working anymore 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8517 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008527.
2019-05-14 21:19 <osmantis> Bug #8527:04 PRIM_TEXTURE cannot change rotation without a valid texture under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8527 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-15 09:43 <osmantis> Bug #8529:04 llSleep() Intermittently stops a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8529 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-15 15:08 <osmantis> Bug #8529:04 llSleep() Intermittently stops a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8529 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-15 15:10 <osmantis> Bug #8529:04 llSleep() Intermittently stops a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8529 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-15 17:22 <osmantis> Bug #8529:04 llSleep() Intermittently stops a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8529 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-05-17 10:58 <osmantis> Bug #8529:04 llSleep() Intermittently stops a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8529 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-17 18:10 <osmantis> Bug #8529:04 llSleep() Intermittently stops a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8529 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-17 18:54 <Plugh> Are there any known issues (in the past?) with reporting of normals and/or binormals in OpenSim?
2019-05-17 19:01 <Plugh> Mostly from a scripting point of view.
2019-05-17 21:18 <osmantis> Bug #8529:04 llSleep() Intermittently stops a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8529 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-18 01:49 <BillBlight> Can I murderize SnootsDwagoon?
2019-05-18 01:53 <BillBlight> Asking for a friend
2019-05-18 02:01 <BillBlight> Everything is "Easy to fix" to that guy being a "Professional coder" , yet he never offers fixes, only complaints ..
2019-05-19 11:18 <osmantis> Bug #8529:04 llSleep() Intermittently stops a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8529 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-19 11:50 <Tampa> While some reporters are idiots, can't deny that, he has a point about the harsh response, not very professional to get so enraged
2019-05-19 13:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #6381 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-05-19 13:41 <osmantis> Bug #8529:04 llSleep() Intermittently stops a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8529 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-19 13:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6381: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6381/
2019-05-19 13:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change yengine comments on ini file
2019-05-19 14:30 <osmantis> Bug #8529:04 llSleep() Intermittently stops a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8529 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-19 15:38 <Ubit> whatever...
2019-05-19 15:45 <AllenKerensky> Snoots has not yet learned that patches are better than bug reports
2019-05-19 15:46 <AllenKerensky> if it were MY Mantis... "New issue" "Closed - issue submitted without patch - users refer to existing docs"
2019-05-19 15:48 <AllenKerensky> "But I'm a user" "then why are you on a code bug reporting engine - users stay on the wiki"
2019-05-19 15:48 <AllenKerensky> anyway...
2019-05-19 16:01 <osmantis> Bug #8529:04 llSleep() Intermittently stops a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8529 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-19 16:03 <AllenKerensky> admins can delete if they like - but really - I had to learn and so happy to pass on that lesson to others
2019-05-19 16:51 <Tampa> Well the mantis is not strictly for just patches, it is a bug reporting platform, but bugs that are already acknowledged and have been for years are not really something that needs to exist there as duplicate.
2019-05-19 16:53 <Tampa> A bug like that a mantis really should only be opened to submit a patch. Discussion about long standing bugs should really go to the mailinglist, that's normally what those are for and what historically has been used to discuss long standing bugs and workout solutions to them.
2019-05-19 16:54 <BillBlight> But according to him there is no reason he should have known about the bug, because evidently there is no reason a user should ever need to read the documentation .... SMFH
2019-05-19 16:55 <BillBlight> That is even the more annoying part about that mantis , and that guy in general ..
2019-05-19 16:55 <Tampa> I start reading docs when things don't work like I think they do, not sure why others immediately assume it is a bug
2019-05-19 16:56 <Ubit> mantis is for bug reports and eventual patchs, not the other way around..
2019-05-19 16:56 <BillBlight> yeah
2019-05-19 16:56 <Ubit> but some bug reports and post coments..  well .. whatever
2019-05-19 16:57 <BillBlight> but the issue with llSleep() is well known, it is documented on the lsl function page, and a quick search of the osgrid forums will get you buried in talk about it ..
2019-05-19 16:57 <Tampa> Can we edit the default script that is created when the script create is pressed or is that a viewer thing?
2019-05-19 16:57 <Ubit> the llsleep is a old thing.. not to use on opensim..
2019-05-19 16:58 <Ubit> until now, with y, that is
2019-05-19 16:59 <BillBlight> yeah but that is not that guys real issue , the real issue is , "Snoots Dwagoon, is a expert at all things, and is sure to tell you that, and while he may not offer any actual fixes, he is sure that YOU can do it better because HE KNOWS."
2019-05-19 16:59 <Tampa> I'd say add a comment to the default script that points to the opensim wiki regarding caveats and implementation, that way, if they ignore it like this we can just close the mantis-> refer to docs
2019-05-19 16:59 <Ubit> well irritating as usual.. but as i said, whatever
2019-05-19 17:00 <Tampa> I'm with Ubit, getting worked up over that, not worth the effort
2019-05-19 17:00 <BillBlight> People should have done that before they ever hit "New Script" , and if they haven't a pointer in the script is never going to make them ..
2019-05-19 17:00 <Tampa> Sure it ain't, but it's a disclaimer after which all bets are off if ignored
2019-05-19 17:01 <Tampa> "There is a link to documentation and how to use the opensim script engine in each new script you create, if you ignore the caveats and report them as bugs we may just close the report"
2019-05-19 17:02 <Tampa> Which is a nice way of saying "if you can't read, we can't help"
2019-05-19 17:02 <BillBlight> Considering this is still "Alpha" software, that is kind of a given, stop holding their hands ..
2019-05-19 17:02 <BillBlight> the more you give into them, the more they want you to give into them ..
2019-05-19 17:03 <Tampa> Now you are painting devils horns on people, not everyone is like that guy and it affords you the ability to not even engage anyone that has not read the docs much more than going on tantrums on the mantis
2019-05-19 17:04 <BillBlight> Whatever, the more people you let push the boundaries, the more people that will try ..
2019-05-19 17:04 <Tampa> Frankly such a thing only serves to drive home the nature of the project, sure they should now before setting foot on it, but it's good practice to retain such things if there is potential for misunderstanding, if anything to point at it and tell them to read before posting
2019-05-19 17:07 <Tampa> Just closing a mantis pointing to docs and the fact they are "in your face" is better than getting into a fight on mantis, for your blood pressure and for how it just generally looks just sayin
2019-05-19 17:22 <BillBlight> "On the other hand, I could write a flowchart to fix llSleep() in less than 15 minutes. I'm pretty sure, based on that flowchart, a deep-coder could fix the problem in an hour or less. That's an estimate based on 30+ years of real life experience (now retired, thanks, enjoying it much). I agree it's a pain to fix bugs... but that IS what Mantis is about... and this is a pretty bottom-line 
2019-05-19 17:22 <BillBlight> basic bug that by all reports, has been known and unfixed for YEARS.
2019-05-19 17:22 <BillBlight> "
2019-05-19 17:28 <BillBlight> should assign that mantis to Snoots, since he's the expert
2019-05-19 17:33 <BillBlight> Pretty sure Snoots just called everyone who has ever worked on xEngine an idiot
2019-05-19 17:41 <osmantis> Bug #8529:04 llSleep() Intermittently stops a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8529 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-19 19:11 <osmantis> Bug #8529:04 llSleep() Intermittently stops a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8529 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-19 19:29 <osmantis> Bug #8529:04 llSleep() Intermittently stops a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8529 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-19 19:37 <BillBlight> That guy just does not give up, or take a hint ..
2019-05-19 19:40 <CrasherRob> Found a bug in my code: Attempted to use osGetPrimitiveParams from an NPC attachment. This fails because the NPC, now the owner of the script, does not among the allowed users: it fails the "${XEngine|osslParcelO}ESTATE_MANAGER,ESTATE_OWNER" test. So I'm wondering: How easy would it be to allow script owners who happen to be NPCs to the threat exception list? That is, implicitly give all NPCs the same permissions required to cre
2019-05-19 19:48 <CrasherRob> The scripting problem can be bypassed using llRegionSay to send a message owned by a privileged user and having that script perform the operation and then use osMessageObject to send a reply, akin to a dataserver sequence, so there is a work around.
2019-05-19 19:48 <BillBlight> if this still works you can grant the npc the perms just after their creation via the creating object ..
2019-05-19 19:48 <BillBlight> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsGrantScriptPermissions
2019-05-19 19:52 <CrasherRob> I'll give that a shot. Thanks BillBlight.
2019-05-19 20:08 <CrasherRob> Alas, osGrantScriptPermissions is not currently implemented. (As the doc says: Pending peer review)
2019-05-19 20:09 <AllenKerensky> BillBlight just close that Mantis with "Issue closed due to lack of patch provided by reporter. He did not fix it - no excuses or rationalization" *evilgrin*
2019-05-19 20:11 <AllenKerensky> OpenSource: if you don't like it, write something better - Mantis: Patches or GTFO
2019-05-19 20:11 <AllenKerensky> I think the Mantis itself should be changed to refuse to file a report that does not have a patch attached. Can't make it clearer than that.
2019-05-19 20:13 <misterblue> Mantis should collect bugs... if someone has the logic for an implementation, they should include that... as to someone picking it up and writing the code, that's a different transaction
2019-05-19 20:14 <misterblue> if the last step doesn't happen, nothing changes but the bug is recorded
2019-05-19 20:18 <CrasherRob> I'm now not so sure what my script problem is. My NPC attachment object can issue osNpcMoveToTarget (and other Npc functions), but osGetPrimitiveParams fails in the same script.
2019-05-19 20:21 <CrasherRob> And osGetPrimitiveParams is fully operational (as far as I can tell) in a test script, so it's not that. 
2019-05-19 20:33 <BillBlight> Yeah planned on closing that Mantis
2019-05-19 20:33 <Plugh> Bill, Should have suggested that he take the time he would have put in to making a flowchart in to fixing the problem. After all, it would only take an hour, according to him. 
2019-05-19 20:35 <Plugh> hehe... Thinking of a variation on the movie disclaimer. Any resemblance to Second Life is purely coincidental. 
2019-05-19 20:37 <osmantis> Bug #8529:04 llSleep() Intermittently stops a script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8529 ): has been CLOSED
2019-05-19 20:38 <BillBlight> No kidding
2019-05-19 20:38 <BillBlight> and Plugh, that suggestion has been made to him on almost all his tickets where he says things like, "It's easy to fix", "It could be done this way"
2019-05-19 20:39 <Plugh> ok. I haven't seen those other reports.
2019-05-19 20:41 <BillBlight> That guy loves to throw around the word, "easy" and the phrases, "SL fixed it" and "Inworldz fixed it"
2019-05-19 20:42 <Plugh> I got that impression from what I was reading in the scrollback
2019-05-19 20:43 <BillBlight> I about fell out of my chair when he implied that the "user" was under no obligation to read the instructions ..
2019-05-19 20:44 <Plugh> Perhaps not but they are when you tell that is where they can find the answers to their question/problem.
2019-05-19 20:47 <BillBlight> Maybe not read for a toaster, but something as complicated as opensimulator, it is kind of a given ..
2019-05-19 20:54 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2019-05-19 20:59 <BillBlight> Especially in this case, llSleep() is a well known issue, it's all over the place, it is all over the osGrid forums it is on the LSL status page, and this drama queen makes a statement like ..
2019-05-19 20:59 <BillBlight> "Thus, (with all respect) there is ZERO user-responsibility in this matter. llSleep() is a standard LsL function that should either work... or should not compile in the script engine (ie, manifest as an unsurpported function). You have no idea how many tedious hours and weeks and months I spent trying to debug scripts with no idea this function wasn't operational on Opensim.
2019-05-19 20:59 <BillBlight> "
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2019-05-19 23:02 <Plugh> That's what he said about llSleep()??
2019-05-19 23:51 <CrasherRob> Looking at OSSL_Api.osGetPrimitiveParams (line 3819,) it just checks that os* functions are allowed and calls LSL_Api.GetPrimitiveParamsEx (line 14982). It looks like GetPrimitiveParamsEx is only called from osGetPrimitiveParams which (I think) at line 14991 returns an empty list if the prim's owner is not the script's owner. This makes it fail when called from a prim's when the prim is attached to an NPC. (More to follow.)
2019-05-20 00:03 <CrasherRob> Somehow (I don't know exactly how) the osNpc* functions work on an NPC when called from an NPC attachment at least on the same NPC. Would it be reasonable to somehow provide the same sort of permission upgrade to an NPC for osGetPrimitiveParams?  Note: I can get most of the same data I'm interested in from a sensor event, but not the prim's size.
2019-05-20 00:20 <CrasherRob> Just FYI, my goal is to control an NPC from an attachment worn by that NPC. I'd like to be able to obtain at least enough real-time information in that script to avoid stopping, bumping into objects, colliding with scripted prims or colliding with any avatar.
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2019-05-20 01:21 <BillBlight> Yes Plugh that is what he said about llSleep
2019-05-22 22:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #6382 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-05-22 22:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6382: SUCCESS in 6 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6382/
2019-05-22 22:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing old  flag VEHICLE_FLAG_NO_FLY_UP
2019-05-22 22:54 <osmantis> Bug #8530:04 Warp3D kills a region that was working before  dev master update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8530 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-22 22:55 <Tampa> A hell of a rounding error that one
2019-05-22 22:57 <Tampa> Prim positions are compensated for, wonder if their position numbers look equally wacky
2019-05-22 23:00 <Ubit> what are u talking about?
2019-05-22 23:00 <Tampa> The mantis
2019-05-22 23:01 <Tampa> 8530
2019-05-22 23:01 <Ubit> don't see any prim positions on that
2019-05-22 23:01 <Tampa> ...
2019-05-22 23:01 <Tampa> To rephrase, I wonder if the oars prim positions have the same rounding error the terrain elevation has
2019-05-22 23:02 <Ubit> no prims are fine
2019-05-22 23:02 <Ubit> and 9.99999956202353E+38 is not a rounding error
2019-05-22 23:04 <Tampa> Not in the sense of actual floor or ceil no
2019-05-22 23:04 <Tampa> This happens with bad system libs, numbers going completely out of bounds
2019-05-22 23:06 <Tampa> Seen this before with prims, but that's compensated before store so no bad numbers
2019-05-22 23:07 <Ubit> ive no idea how those number got there
2019-05-22 23:08 <Tampa> My guess is whatever rounded the number to "fit" the field just went completely lunatic and the rounding ran away into infinity
2019-05-22 23:09 <Tampa> You know how 1/3 can't be written in decimal
2019-05-22 23:10 <Tampa> If the system lib did not work well with opensim and didn't know what to round to, result, long number. Fix the system lib no more weird long numbers.
2019-05-22 23:10 <Tampa> Or stop using opensuse, that also works xD
2019-05-22 23:10 <Tampa> It's simple to just round the number on read or write on our end, but redundant, shouldn't have to
2019-05-23 13:01 <osmantis> Bug #8531:04 failed lsl constants? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8531 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-05-23 13:28 <Tampa> Am I blind or do these constants not exist?
2019-05-23 13:29 <cnayl_rainbow> Do you mean these ones?  http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OSSL_Constants
2019-05-23 13:30 <Tampa> No, regarding the mantis 8531
2019-05-23 13:30 <cnayl_rainbow> Ah sorry, think I came on mid flow then!
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2019-05-24 04:33 <CrasherRob> BillBlight, Building using Ubuntu (18.04.2) rather than Fedora (30-1-2) made the opensim build process load and go (using xbuild.) Thanks for the advice!
2019-05-24 05:59 <BillBlight> I'd still suggest you use msbuild instead of xbuild
2019-05-24 06:00 <BillBlight> I use this command line to build .. msbuild /p:Configuration=Release /verbosity:minimal
2019-05-24 10:53 <osmantis> Bug #8531:04 failed lsl constants? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8531 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-24 15:18 <osmantis> Bug #8531:04 failed lsl constants? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8531 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-24 18:21 <CrasherRob> BillBlight, Do you obtain msbuild somewhere other than through installing dotnet? Or did you mean dotnet msbuild ...?
2019-05-24 18:47 <BillBlight> it should come when you load mono-complete
2019-05-24 18:50 <BillBlight> at least in ubuntu
2019-05-24 18:50 <BillBlight> I've never had to install dotnet
2019-05-24 18:54 <BillBlight> 1.)install mono-complete
2019-05-24 18:54 <BillBlight> 2.)git clone the source
2019-05-24 18:54 <BillBlight> 3.)run prebuild
2019-05-24 18:54 <BillBlight> 4.) msbuild
2019-05-24 18:54 <BillBlight> 5.) done
2019-05-24 19:02 <Tampa> Try mono-devel if complete does not come with the compiler
2019-05-24 19:12 <CrasherRob> msbuild isn't in the 18.04.2 mono-complete package (but whatever compiler xbuild uses is). It also isn't provided using sudo apt install libmono-addins-msbuild-cil-dev. I got dotnet (which allows "dotnet msbuild") from the microsoft repository while attempting the Fedora build. I presume I can get it again for Ubuntu in sort of the same way. For now, xbuild is working for me. 
2019-05-24 19:13 <Tampa> apt-get install mono-devel 
2019-05-24 19:13 <Tampa> Take the repo from the official mono page
2019-05-24 19:15 <BillBlight> Not sure what the issue is I always install mono-complete, never have to install msbuild seperate
2019-05-24 19:15 <Tampa> deb http://download.mono-project.com/repo/ubuntu stable-bionic main
2019-05-24 19:15 <Tampa> for example
2019-05-24 19:16 <BillBlight> mono-complete installs msbuild as one of it's dependancies
2019-05-24 19:16 <BillBlight> Depends: mono-runtime (= 5.20.1.19-0xamarin2+ubuntu1804b1), mono-runtime-sgen (= 5.20.1.19-0xamarin2+ubuntu1804b1), mono-llvm-support (= 5.20.1.19-0xamarin2+ubuntu1804b1), libmono-2.0-1 (= 5.20.1.19-0xamarin2+ubuntu1804b1), libmono-profiler (= 5.20.1.19-0xamarin2+ubuntu1804b1), mono-utils (= 5.20.1.19-0xamarin2+ubuntu1804b1), mono-jay (= 5.20.1.19-0xamarin2+ubuntu1804b1), mono-devel (= 
2019-05-24 19:16 <BillBlight> 5.20.1.19-0xamarin2+ubuntu1804b1), mono-mcs (= 5.20.1.19-0xamarin2+ubuntu1804b1), mono-roslyn (= 5.20.1.19-0xamarin2+ubuntu1804b1), mono-csharp-shell (= 5.20.1.19-0xamarin2+ubuntu1804b1), mono-4.0-gac (= 5.20.1.19-0xamarin2+ubuntu1804b1), mono-4.0-service (= 5.20.1.19-0xamarin2+ubuntu1804b1), monodoc-base (= 5.20.1.19-0xamarin2+ubuntu1804b1), monodoc-manual (= 5.20.1.19-0xamarin2+ubuntu1804b1), 
2019-05-24 19:16 <BillBlight> libmono-cil-dev (= 5.20.1.19-0xamarin2+ubuntu1804b1), referenceassemblies-pcl, msbuild, ca-certificates-mono (= 5.20.1.19-0xamarin2+ubuntu1804b1)
2019-05-24 19:17 <BillBlight> oops
2019-05-24 19:17 <BillBlight> http://download.mono-project.com/repo/ubuntu/dists/stable-bionic/main/binary-amd64/Packages
2019-05-24 19:19 <BillBlight> msbuild is only a recommend for mono-devel
2019-05-24 19:19 <CrasherRob> I've got mono-devel from the official Ubuntu repository, probably included by mono-complete. I try to limit compatibility problems by only using official repositories. When and if it's necessary, I'll do the work needed to get msbuild. For now I do not need it.
2019-05-24 19:19 <BillBlight> you don't get more official mono than directly from mono
2019-05-24 19:20 <BillBlight> you are making it harder on yourself, just install mono-complete,
2019-05-24 19:21 <BillBlight> even xbuild when you run it says ..
2019-05-24 19:21 <BillBlight> >>>> xbuild tool is deprecated and will be removed in future updates, use msbuild instead <<<<
2019-05-24 19:23 <Tampa> apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv-keys 3FA7E0328081BFF6A14DA29AA6A19B38D3D831EF
2019-05-24 19:23 <Tampa> echo "deb https://download.mono-project.com/repo/ubuntu stable-bionic main" | tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mono-official-stable.list
2019-05-24 19:23 <Tampa> apt-get update
2019-05-24 19:23 <Tampa> apt-get install mono-complete mono-devel
2019-05-24 19:23 <Tampa> Literally from bash history on my jenkins build server
2019-05-24 19:23 <BillBlight> you don't need mono-devel if you install mono-complete ... LOL
2019-05-24 19:23 <Tampa> If that doesn't work then somethings fubar on the system
2019-05-24 19:25 <CrasherRob> But I'm only missing msbuild, and *xbuild is working for me* for now. It's more work to uninstall Ubuntu mono-complete, download, and reinstall (and I think I need Intel packages) etc.  
2019-05-24 19:26 <BillBlight> if you are running x64 they are all AMD64 
2019-05-24 19:26 <Tampa> architecture =/= manufacturer
2019-05-24 19:27 <Tampa> I think you are just completely confused on how to do this, did you not follow the building instructions on the wiki?
2019-05-24 19:31 <CrasherRob> I'm not confused. I have it working now. Jenkins uses xbuild, so it's good enough for opensim-dev for now. OK, at least I'm not overly confused. I don't understand why I should change something that's working now because at some future undisclosed date it will stop working.
2019-05-24 19:32 <BillBlight> My jenkins uses msbuild
2019-05-24 19:33 <BillBlight> I'll tell you why you should change, because xbuild does not completely understand anything above .net 4.0 and we currently require .net 4.6, but whatever, it builds, and it works , who cares if it's right ..
2019-05-24 19:33 <BillBlight> (actually 4.3 not 4.0)
2019-05-24 19:39 <CrasherRob> I don't use Jenkins, I looked at the console output from an opensim-dev build. I suppose I could checkpoint my virtual machine and jump through the official mono hoops to get msbuild. I'd probably would have had that done by now if I did that instead of complaining about how much work it is to do it.
2019-05-24 19:39 <CrasherRob> 
ACTION is going away to practice my hoop jumping skill.

2019-05-24 19:45 <Tampa> Meanwhile, evidently disco dingo has issues running opensim or rather mono, some gc issues, fix is coming "sometime next week" so expect this to be resolved by August lol
2019-05-24 19:55 <BillBlight> what hoops?
2019-05-24 19:56 <BillBlight> installing mono-complete from the official mono repository gets you msbuild .. If you are not getting it, you have other issues ..
2019-05-24 19:58 <BillBlight> Bill Blight's Hoop Reduction Plan:
2019-05-24 19:58 <BillBlight> RTFM
2019-05-24 19:58 <BillBlight> Do it right the first time.
2019-05-24 19:59 <BillBlight> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Build_Instructions
2019-05-24 20:34 <CrasherRob> Hoops mostly completed, msbuild used. Only 45 minutes of jumping for uninstall, update repository list, reinstall, and compilation verification testing. PM to BillBlight.
2019-05-24 20:40 <BillBlight> When the build took you are using tells you itself that it has been depreciated, might be time to start moving forward ..
2019-05-24 20:40 <BillBlight> took = tool
2019-05-24 22:43 <osmantis> Bug #8533:04 Out of memory exception 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8533 ): has been CLOSED
2019-05-24 22:43 <osmantis> Bug #8532:04 Out of memory exception 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8532 ): has been CLOSED
2019-05-24 23:09 <simstick> I will say CrasherRob if that was your first source compile you made good time. Usually you are better off in Forums for most compile problems. You got lucky. 
2019-05-25 18:11 <osmantis> Bug #8534:04 Suggestion: Add LSL function osDetectedSize 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8534 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2019-05-25 22:00 <osmantis> Bug #8534:04 Suggestion: Add LSL function osDetectedSize 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8534 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-26 16:53 <osmantis> Bug #8534:04 Suggestion: Add LSL function osDetectedSize 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8534 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-26 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #8534:04 Suggestion: Add LSL function osDetectedSize 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8534 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-27 15:12 <osmantis> Bug #8534:04 Suggestion: Add LSL function osDetectedSize 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8534 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-27 15:25 <osmantis> Bug #8534:04 Suggestion: Add LSL function osDetectedSize 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8534 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-05-27 17:01 <osmantis> Bug #8534:04 Suggestion: Add LSL function osDetectedSize 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8534 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-27 17:05 <osmantis> Bug #8534:04 Suggestion: Add LSL function osDetectedSize 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8534 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2019-05-28 08:31 <osmantis> Bug #8535:04 Mesh upload with textures does not create textures in inventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8535 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-05-28 12:12 <osmantis> Bug #8535:04 Mesh upload with textures does not create textures in inventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8535 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-28 12:28 <osmantis> Bug #8535:04 Mesh upload with textures does not create textures in inventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8535 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-28 13:45 <osmantis> Bug #8535:04 Mesh upload with textures does not create textures in inventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8535 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-28 15:43 <osmantis> Bug #8535:04 Mesh upload with textures does not create textures in inventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8535 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-28 16:25 <osmantis> Bug #8536:04 AuthorizationService External fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8536 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-05-28 16:27 <djphil> #8536 seems protected by htaccess ... so opensim remains stuck
2019-05-28 16:29 <osmantis> Bug #8536:04 AuthorizationService External fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8536 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-05-28 17:08 <osmantis> Bug #8536:04 AuthorizationService External fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8536 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-05-28 17:14 <osmantis> Bug #8536:04 AuthorizationService External fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8536 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-28 18:05 <BillBlight> your late @Plugh
2019-05-28 18:05 <Plugh> no, I'm still alive. :)
2019-05-28 20:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #6383 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-05-28 20:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6383: SUCCESS in 6 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6383/
2019-05-28 20:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add sim feature AvatarHoverHeightEnabled; mantis 8535: make option MeshModelAllowTextureToInventory  visible
2019-05-28 21:03 <osmantis> Bug #8535:04 Mesh upload with textures does not create textures in inventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8535 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-28 23:17 <osmantis> Bug #8536:04 AuthorizationService External fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8536 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-28 23:17 <osmantis> Bug #8536:04 AuthorizationService External fails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8536 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-05-29 00:09 <operator1> hi. I'm developing a bash CGI interface for my opensim installation(v0901 grid-mode using robust) . can someone guide me in how to generate the md5 hash and salt using bash? i've done it before but that was in 2015 so i don't remember the method but it was very simple. thanks in advance. I just wanna create the hash+salt for storing in opensim.auth db and also be able to reverse this for comparing the stored password_vs_the on
2019-05-29 02:57 <Plugh> I think you are looking for the BASH equivalent of -> md5(md5($password) . ":" . $passwordSalt)
2019-05-29 03:49 <operator1> got it now, thanks, Plugh
2019-05-29 07:43 <osmantis> Bug #8535:04 Mesh upload with textures does not create textures in inventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8535 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-29 07:53 <osmantis> Bug #8535:04 Mesh upload with textures does not create textures in inventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8535 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-29 08:20 <osmantis> Bug #8535:04 Mesh upload with textures does not create textures in inventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8535 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-29 09:37 <osmantis> Bug #8535:04 Mesh upload with textures does not create textures in inventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8535 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-05-30 09:42 <osmantis> Bug #8538:04 attach event somtimes causes on_rez to not trigger 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8538 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2019-05-31 22:19 <osmantis> Bug #8460:04 Timeout detected for thread MapBlockSendThread 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8460 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-05-31 23:55 <osmantis> Bug #8460:04 Timeout detected for thread MapBlockSendThread 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8460 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-04 18:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #6384 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-06-04 18:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6384: SUCCESS in 5 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6384/
2019-06-04 18:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8460: reduce odds of watchdog timeout warning
2019-06-05 11:15 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-06-05 11:16 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2019-06-05 11:45 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 11:48 <osmantis> Bug #8518:04 Out of heap space with ZHAO AO under YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8518 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 11:58 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 12:13 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 12:45 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 12:59 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 13:13 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 13:14 <Tampa> To some degree I still don't get the ssl obsession some folks have, but meh why not eh
2019-06-05 13:15 <Melanie_T> http, without the "s", is a red flag in any security audit today
2019-06-05 13:16 <Melanie_T> the drive for universal encryption has two causes
2019-06-05 13:16 <Melanie_T> one is the incresing snoopiness of governments where interpersonal communications are involved
2019-06-05 13:16 <Melanie_T> there is no reason for governments to read anyone's private musings
2019-06-05 13:16 <Melanie_T> and two, the advent of perimeterless networks
2019-06-05 13:17 <Melanie_T> as storage and processing moves into the cloud, more and more data isn't within a secure perimeter and sucha perimeter often doesn't de facto exist
2019-06-05 13:18 <Melanie_T> therefore internal messages previously considered within a secure perimeter and with no need for encryption now needs to be encrypted to be private
2019-06-05 13:18 <Melanie_T> the pervasive culture of "leaking" has also led to companies having to do more to protect networks from snekernet attacks by visitord to the premises
2019-06-05 13:19 <Melanie_T> all that leads to unencrypted comms being deprecated
2019-06-05 13:19 <Melanie_T> encryption being mostly preferred and often mandated
2019-06-05 13:26 <Tampa> Encryption =/= Security
2019-06-05 13:26 <Tampa> I find that just because facebook has ssl does not mean my data is any more secure because of it
2019-06-05 13:26 <Tampa> It's a misconception that ssl means some kind of regulatory audit that ensures security of data
2019-06-05 13:27 <Tampa> Granted MITM attacks are somewhat mitigated, but breaking ssl is also not unheard of either
2019-06-05 13:28 <Tampa> The overhead it adds is sometimes not worth the effort. A static page that only serves content does not need ssl unless you live in a country that spies on people
2019-06-05 13:28 <Tampa> For opensim it makes sense because of the data that is sent though that is true
2019-06-05 13:29 <Melanie_T> even a static page on a corporate intranet, being intercepted by a visitor plugging a respberry pi into a floor tank's network jack while being unobserved can be dynamite when leaked
2019-06-05 13:30 <Melanie_T> for static pages on the public internet, ssl makes no sense
2019-06-05 13:30 <Melanie_T> but it's easier to mandate it for everything than to leave people to make bad decisions
2019-06-05 13:30 <Melanie_T> on today's systems, decryption overhead is tiny
2019-06-05 13:48 <Tampa> If you can leak data by plugging a device into a random ethernet port then there is more wrong than just lacking ssl though. Sure leaving folks to make mistakes is bad, but there are other areas then that opensim needs to approach with the same idea seeing as they are prone to going wrong, examples of which I see daily. I digress let's wait and see if another patch materializes that goes in and actually attempts to resolve this proper, 
2019-06-05 13:48 <Tampa> that would be nice.
2019-06-05 13:48 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 13:49 <Tampa> Overhead for encryption usually depends on how much you send, seeing as we send a ton of tiny things like assets around 2%-4% of normal additional load for ssl can add up still, then again, likewise who runs at that margin
2019-06-05 13:51 <Tampa> I wonder if the confusion about networking would not be easier to address using some sort of xml rather than plaintext to show actual hierarchy for each part
2019-06-05 13:52 <Tampa> Something more "visual" in a sense
2019-06-05 13:52 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 13:52 <Tampa> Then again why cater to people who can't read
2019-06-05 14:09 <uriesk> the whole thought about ssl is about encrypting the whole connection, because if you encrypt just parts, this is in itself considered a security flaw
2019-06-05 14:10 <uriesk> i.e. opensim encrypts nothing except the password (that it's just a hash, which is as good as not encrypting at all, is another thing)
2019-06-05 14:11 <uriesk> but what do i care about the password? Knowing who your friends are, what sims you visit, what you are wearing, is more relevant than that anyway
2019-06-05 14:12 <uriesk> and this same principle applies to everything else to, meta data is sometimes more important than whatever you are directly accessing 
2019-06-05 14:13 <uriesk> ...so in todays day and age, we use HTTPS and encrypt everything
2019-06-05 14:14 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 14:15 <uriesk> if you want to complain about issues of ssl, complain about CDNs terminating the SSL session
2019-06-05 14:16 <uriesk> first everyone pushes towards HTTPS, then everyone starts to use Cloudflare and terminates the SSL connection there, to then send the relevant data (with static content filtered) unencrypted to the main server
2019-06-05 14:36 <Melanie_T> i've been complaining about CDNs and caching companies for a long time now
2019-06-05 14:45 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 15:01 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 16:04 <Tampa> Cloudflare specifically is just plain awful that is true
2019-06-05 17:04 <osmantis> Bug #8528:04 Random mesh pieces do not rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 17:38 <osmantis> Bug #8528:04 Random mesh pieces do not rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 17:56 <osmantis> Bug #8528:04 Random mesh pieces do not rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 18:19 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 18:23 <osmantis> Bug #8528:04 Random mesh pieces do not rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 18:24 <osmantis> Bug #8528:04 Random mesh pieces do not rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 18:30 <osmantis> Bug #8528:04 Random mesh pieces do not rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 18:31 <osmantis> Bug #8528:04 Random mesh pieces do not rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 18:56 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 18:58 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 19:05 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 19:33 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 19:37 <osmantis> Bug #8528:04 Random mesh pieces do not rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 19:38 <osmantis> Bug #8528:04 Random mesh pieces do not rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 20:04 <osmantis> Bug #8528:04 Random mesh pieces do not rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 20:31 <osmantis> Bug #8528:04 Random mesh pieces do not rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 20:34 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 20:38 <Tampa> I know its somewhat off topic, but nonetheless I felt it had to be said
2019-06-05 20:48 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 20:49 <osmantis> Bug #8528:04 Random mesh pieces do not rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 20:51 <osmantis> Bug #8539:04 CHANGED_POSITION event on KeyframedMotion a bit too noisy 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8539 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 20:57 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 21:01 <osmantis> Bug #8528:04 Random mesh pieces do not rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 21:02 <osmantis> Bug #8528:04 Random mesh pieces do not rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 21:08 <osmantis> Bug #8528:04 Random mesh pieces do not rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 21:08 <osmantis> Bug #8539:04 CHANGED_POSITION event on KeyframedMotion a bit too noisy 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8539 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #8528:04 Random mesh pieces do not rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8528 ): has been CLOSED
2019-06-05 21:14 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-05 21:52 <uriesk> busy mantis day
2019-06-06 08:03 <osmantis> Bug #8528:04 Random mesh pieces do not rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8528 ): has been REOPENED.
2019-06-06 09:07 <osmantis> Bug #8528:04 Random mesh pieces do not rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8528 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2019-06-06 11:32 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-06 14:18 <osmantis> Bug #8528:04 Random mesh pieces do not rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-06 14:26 <osmantis> Bug #8528:04 Random mesh pieces do not rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-06 14:28 <osmantis> Bug #8528:04 Random mesh pieces do not rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-06 18:17 <osmantis> Bug #8528:04 Random mesh pieces do not rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8528 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-06-07 00:04 <djphil> ping Tampa
2019-06-07 00:05 <djphil> that can probably interessing you http://digigrids.no-ip.org/lslossl
2019-06-07 00:05 <djphil> (temporary url)
2019-06-07 00:05 <djphil> :p
2019-06-07 07:56 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-07 08:00 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-07 09:22 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-07 11:14 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-07 11:55 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-06-07 23:25 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-08 09:52 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-08 09:59 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-08 10:01 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-08 12:20 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-08 12:58 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-08 13:18 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-08 13:26 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-08 13:50 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-08 17:08 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-08 17:31 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-08 19:33 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-08 20:52 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-08 21:21 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-08 22:51 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-08 23:04 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-08 23:06 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-08 23:27 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-08 23:52 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-08 23:57 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-09 06:04 <osmantis> Bug #8483:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] llGetEnvironment not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8483 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-06-09 06:43 <osmantis> Bug #8483:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] llGetEnvironment not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8483 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-09 07:06 <osmantis> Bug #8541:04 AGENT_LIST_EXCLUDENPC return INVALID_SCOPE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8541 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2019-06-09 11:37 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-09 11:38 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-09 17:04 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-09 17:31 <osmantis> Bug #8542:04 Login Attempt: HandleRequest() threw exception System.FormatException: 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8542 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-06-09 18:25 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-09 18:39 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-09 19:05 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-09 19:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #6385 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-06-09 19:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6385: SUCCESS in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6385/
2019-06-09 19:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reduce some useless array copies
2019-06-09 20:15 <osmantis> Bug #8540:04 Add configuration option for differing public Simulator port 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-06-09 22:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #6386 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-06-09 22:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6386: SUCCESS in 4 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6386/
2019-06-09 22:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: test...
2019-06-10 09:38 <osmantis> Bug #8543:04 Does anyone know how to resolve the problem of not being able to TP to your SIM? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8543 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-06-10 09:39 <osmantis> Bug #8543:04 Does anyone know how to resolve the problem of not being able to TP to your SIM? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8543 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-06-10 10:21 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-10 14:59 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-10 15:05 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-10 15:07 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-10 16:42 <osmantis> Bug #8543:04 Does anyone know how to resolve the problem of not being able to TP to your SIM? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8543 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-06-10 16:50 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-10 16:54 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-10 17:16 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-10 17:17 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-10 18:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #6387 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-06-10 18:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6387: SUCCESS in 4 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6387/
2019-06-10 18:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few more changes to lludp Xfer download
2019-06-10 18:30 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-10 18:32 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-10 19:21 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-10 19:29 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-10 20:53 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-10 20:54 <Tampa> It is quite weird how cdn and assets work together, faster in some way and then it chokes on something
2019-06-10 20:54 <Tampa> A "dumb" cdn will do that I guess, but odd
2019-06-10 21:21 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-10 21:42 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-10 22:14 <osmantis> Bug #8544:04 MSBuild 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8544 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-06-10 22:24 <osmantis> Bug #8544:04 MSBuild 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8544 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-10 22:28 <osmantis> Bug #8544:04 MSBuild 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8544 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-06-10 22:32 <Ubit> tampa... grrr
2019-06-10 22:34 <Ubit> forced me to edit your post
2019-06-10 23:01 <Tampa> "forced" lol
2019-06-10 23:01 <Ubit> yeah bad biy
2019-06-10 23:01 <Ubit> and bad boy
2019-06-10 23:04 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-11 00:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #6388 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-06-11 00:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6388: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6388/
2019-06-11 00:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few more changes to lludp Xfer download
2019-06-11 03:49 <fredicm237> Hello I am developing a new manager with the latest version of the laravel.
2019-06-11 03:49 <fredicm237> however i do not understand how to initialize the inventoryFolders, the inventoryItem and also the avatar
2019-06-11 03:49 <fredicm237> when i create an account with the new manager that i am developing. please help me ... thank you
2019-06-11 04:00 <djphil> maybee this can help you fredicm237 http://mwi.myopengrid.com/page/home
2019-06-11 06:26 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-11 06:28 <Tampa> My robust log was 117mb yesterday, it is now 238mb
2019-06-11 06:28 <Tampa> Fun stuff -.-
2019-06-11 06:29 <Tampa> Sticking to just caching assets via cdn instead of everything is probably a very good idea given that... metric
2019-06-11 06:31 <Tampa> Also the verification sent to the viewer gets flagged, apparently the data structure is something cdns don't like to see on their networks
2019-06-11 06:31 <Tampa> I suppose because it looks like overload attempts or something?
2019-06-11 06:46 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-11 08:55 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-11 12:55 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-11 13:16 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-11 13:32 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-11 15:01 <osmantis> Bug #8545:04 Materials won't persist in some instances 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8545 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-06-11 15:07 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-11 16:08 <osmantis> Bug #8545:04 Materials won't persist in some instances 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8545 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-11 16:13 <osmantis> Bug #8545:04 Materials won't persist in some instances 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8545 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-11 16:50 <fredicm237> djphil thank you for your answer ...excuse me for my level of English very low.I am Cameroonian French and I would like to contact you in private to better explain my problem
2019-06-11 16:50 <djphil> Oui d'accod
2019-06-11 16:50 <djphil> d'accord*
2019-06-11 16:51 <djphil> Ooops is english channel here
2019-06-11 17:49 <BillBlight> 10 minute warning ..
2019-06-11 17:50 <djphil> Penality :(
2019-06-11 21:22 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-11 21:34 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-11 21:54 <mi_geode> has anyone successfully installed opensim on OS X? having trouble finding any recent references.
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2019-06-12 00:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #6389 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-06-12 00:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6389: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6389/
2019-06-12 00:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: still a few more changes to lludp Xfer download for lost udp case
2019-06-12 01:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #6390 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-06-12 01:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6390: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6390/
2019-06-12 01:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a lock
2019-06-12 02:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #6391 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-06-12 02:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6391: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6391/
2019-06-12 02:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: test...
2019-06-12 11:58 <operator1> can someone help me figure this out? i want to try this modInvoke example but im not sure what to name the file or where to place it :O I've applied AllowModCommand=true in OpenSim.ini and the LSL script exists inworld,
2019-06-12 11:59 <operator1> I think I understand that ModInvoke allows us to apply custom functionality without rebuilding opensim?
2019-06-12 15:16 <misterblue> @operator1: one example of adding script constants and functions using modInvoke is the file ExtendedPhysics.cs which adds constants and functions
2019-06-12 15:25 <misterblue> the other half of your query, I think, is how to add new code to OS... you can either just add code (there is an OpenSim.Region.OptionalModules dir) or do region modules (place code in addon-modules directory with its own prebuild.xml file)
2019-06-12 15:26 <osmantis> Bug #8546:04 Minimap failing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8546 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-06-12 15:28 <misterblue> for modules, start at http://opensimulator.org/wiki/New_Region_Modules
2019-06-12 15:28 <misterblue> one region module example I know is working with the current OpenSimulator is at https://github.com/Herbal3d/Loden
2019-06-12 15:30 <misterblue> if you build your own region module, remember to have a Properties/AssemblyInfo.cs file... the DLL loader must ignores modules without that -- a common frustration is to create the module DLL but it never loads
2019-06-12 23:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #6392 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-06-12 23:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6392: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6392/
2019-06-12 23:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor cleanup
2019-06-13 00:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #6393 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-06-13 00:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6393: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6393/
2019-06-13 00:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: delay timeout a bit
2019-06-13 00:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #6394 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-06-13 00:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6394: SUCCESS in 4 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6394/
2019-06-13 00:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: handle confirmXfer sync
2019-06-14 06:59 <osmantis> Bug #8547:04 [COLLISIONS IMPROVEMENT REQUEST] Make llDetectedLinkNumber working when llVolumeDetect is set to TRUE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8547 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2019-06-14 19:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #6395 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-06-14 19:15 <osmantis> Bug #8545:04 Materials won't persist in some instances 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8545 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-14 19:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6395: SUCCESS in 4 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6395/
2019-06-14 19:18 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: make materials save to grid less async on manual backup or shutdown
2019-06-14 19:18 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: reduce httptimout on first try to save a asset to grid
2019-06-15 21:56 <osmantis> Bug #8492:04 Vivox Voice Module - Working but giving [VivoxVoice] Create failed messages 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8492 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-16 12:38 <djphil> If I take an avatar on a prim and move the prim with a script, the avatar stays seated and moves with the prim.
2019-06-16 12:38 <djphil> If I do the same thing but with a linked prim, and the avatar sitting on the link n ° 2, the avatar does not move.
2019-06-16 12:38 <djphil> Is it normal or is it a bug ?
2019-06-16 18:48 <Tampa> @djphil that's not how sit works
2019-06-16 20:07 <djphil> @Tampa : Effectively, I saw that it did not work like that ... but is it normal or is it a bug?
2019-06-16 20:41 <Tampa> Sit makes avatar part of linkset, a childprim, so moving other childprims has no effect, but moving the rootprim does as that is global vs local position, if you want to move the avatar you can address them via their linknumber, it will always be the highest unless you linked stuff after the avatar sat down
2019-06-16 20:41 <Tampa> So yes that is by design
2019-06-16 20:44 <djphil> Ok, I understand better now, thanks.
2019-06-16 20:44 <djphil> I do not usually play with sit avatars
2019-06-16 20:44 <djphil> I will try your suggestion of displacement.
2019-06-17 21:20 <osmantis> Bug #8521:04 OAR and IAR archivers create invalid XML-Files in archive 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8521 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-18 18:03 <Plugh> Ubit, Its that time of the week again.
2019-06-18 18:12 <Ubit> so it seems :)
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2019-06-19 06:39 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] dont work anymore 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-19 06:46 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] dont work anymore 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-19 06:58 <Tampa> Suggestion: New ticket closing reason: Misconfiguration or Does not apply
2019-06-19 06:59 <Tampa> The fact the referral was even made tells me *someone* doesn't know much about how OpenSim works...
2019-06-19 17:03 <osmantis> Bug #8550:04 Copying Object inworld and Timeout handling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8550 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-06-19 17:07 <BillBlight> Annnnddd there is another that is most likely a misconfiguration ...
2019-06-19 17:10 <osmantis> Bug #8550:04 Copying Object inworld and Timeout handling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8550 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-19 17:12 <osmantis> Bug #8550:04 Copying Object inworld and Timeout handling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8550 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-19 17:13 <osmantis> Bug #8550:04 Copying Object inworld and Timeout handling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8550 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-19 17:14 <osmantis> Bug #8550:04 Copying Object inworld and Timeout handling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8550 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-19 17:16 <BillBlight> Someone clearly does not know how opensimulator works
2019-06-19 17:17 <osmantis> Bug #8550:04 Copying Object inworld and Timeout handling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8550 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-19 17:18 <BillBlight> what a tool ...
2019-06-19 17:22 <osmantis> Bug #8551:04 YEngine leaking memory from strings in event 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8551 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-06-19 17:43 <osmantis> Bug #8551:04 YEngine leaking memory from strings in event 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8551 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-19 17:43 <osmantis> Bug #8551:04 YEngine leaking memory from strings in event 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8551 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2019-06-19 17:59 <osmantis> Bug #8551:04 YEngine leaking memory from strings in event 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8551 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-19 18:02 <osmantis> Bug #8551:04 YEngine leaking memory from strings in event 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8551 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-19 19:16 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] dont work anymore 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-19 19:25 <BillBlight> 
ACTION facepalm

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2019-06-20 12:23 <Tampa> When you try to follow the argumentation, but your body physically refuses and just shuts down
2019-06-20 12:29 <osmantis> Bug #8550:04 Copying Object inworld and Timeout handling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8550 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-06-20 12:29 <Tampa> At the verge of saying too much...
2019-06-20 15:09 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] dont work anymore 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-06 20:11 <osmantis> Bug #8558:04 hard_agent_limit in RegionInfo2 never initialized or updated 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8558 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-06 20:14 <osmantis> Bug #8558:04 hard_agent_limit in RegionInfo2 never initialized or updated 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8558 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-06 20:15 <osmantis> Bug #8558:04 hard_agent_limit in RegionInfo2 never initialized or updated 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8558 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-07-07 22:37 <osmantis> Bug #8557:04 Mesh does not render on Warp3D Tiles after update to Windows 1903 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8557 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-08 08:27 <osmantis> Bug #8557:04 Mesh does not render on Warp3D Tiles after update to Windows 1903 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8557 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-08 08:38 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] dont work anymore 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-08 08:55 <osmantis> Bug #8559:04 Groups info changes not persisting after update to Windows 1903 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8559 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-07-08 16:08 <Tampa> Honestly at this point I think something went wrong with that update that it is literally breaking all modules
2019-07-08 16:09 <Tampa> If everything is broken what are the chances it is OpenSim, betcha loads of other stuff is broken too just not aware of it
2019-07-08 17:15 <Plugh> Tampa: Update of what?
2019-07-08 17:45 <Tampa> Those mantis being posted about 1903, if everything is breaking then the common theme is the update itself and not OpenSim
2019-07-08 17:45 <Tampa> Frankly I have doubts the system is still proper if so many things are breaking
2019-07-08 17:46 <Tampa> M$ not exactly known to break backwards compatibility like that so it has to be a dependency or broken library
2019-07-08 17:51 <Plugh> 1903 is the mantis number?
2019-07-08 18:02 <AliciaRaven> Plugh, 1903 is latest win10 version released couple of days back
2019-07-08 18:02 <Plugh> Oh. I have a Win10 laptop but I don't pay attention to what version I have. It just auto-updates itself every now and then when I go to shut it off or start it up. 
2019-07-08 18:03 <AliciaRaven> same here lol dunno why this time the number stuck in my mind
2019-07-08 18:04 <AliciaRaven> maybe because it pissed me off by adding onedrive and forcing it to start and connect on boot
2019-07-08 18:26 <Plugh> I was logging in to a website earlier today and it wanted to improve the security of the account by having me provide my mobile phone number. No "next" or "cancel" button was visible. I have no mobile number as I don't have a cell phone. Fortunately a refresh of the page bypassed the request.
2019-07-08 18:30 <Plugh> hm... Looking at my Win10 laptop I realize I don't know how to determine which version of 10 I have.
2019-07-08 18:33 <osmantis> Bug #8559:04 Groups info changes not persisting after update to Windows 1903 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8559 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-07-08 18:46 <AliciaRaven> Plugh, if u go to Settings, Update, there is a link on the right, OS build info
2019-07-08 18:46 <Plugh> ok. I'll have a look next time I turn on my laptop.
2019-07-08 19:47 <Ubit> mine is still at 1809
2019-07-08 19:48 <Ubit> either they delayed the update or my box is considered not updatable 
2019-07-08 19:49 <AliciaRaven> i think they probably stager notification so the whole world doesn't try and update the minute an update comes out
2019-07-08 19:49 <AliciaRaven> that would twat even their servers hard
2019-07-08 19:50 <Ubit> oops i clicked check updated and it is instaling things
2019-07-08 19:50 <AliciaRaven> or that lol
2019-07-08 19:50 <Ubit> but still 1809 updates
2019-07-08 19:50 <Ubit> one is scary  .net update
2019-07-08 19:51 <AliciaRaven> yea i got a .net update with the 1903 but i didnt read into it
2019-07-08 19:51 <AliciaRaven> why scary?
2019-07-08 19:51 <Ubit> bc that may be the issues reason
2019-07-08 19:52 <Ubit> 019-06 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5, 4.7.2 and 4.8 for Windows 10 Version 1809 for x64 (KB4503864)
2019-07-08 19:52 <AliciaRaven> ah i see
2019-07-08 19:53 <Ubit> a change on .net is the most likely cause
2019-07-08 19:53 <Ubit> but can be other things
2019-07-08 19:53 <Ubit> yeack wants to restart grr
2019-07-08 19:54 <AliciaRaven> is the os code wasnt changed isnt it the only posible cause? assuming more than one user reports which i think is true
2019-07-08 19:55 <Ubit> all ppl is reporting issues after the win updated only, a few say that roll bac to 1809 fixed the problems
2019-07-08 19:56 <Ubit> same opensim code
2019-07-08 19:56 <Ubit> that update is 2 updates :)
2019-07-08 19:56 <BillBlight> I'm on the insider program and have the NEXT update after that one ...  I ran a windows region to test and was not getting those errors that were reported ... But then again Windows is scared of me ......  :P
2019-07-08 19:57 <BillBlight> But it could be a combination error, with people who are also running their robust on windows
2019-07-08 19:59 <Ubit> well on google we see tons of people complaining about tons of issues with that update
2019-07-08 19:59 <Ubit> well did not seen 1903 on the updates list
2019-07-08 20:00 <Ubit> as i said either they stopped it, if my box does not qualify
2019-07-08 20:00 <Ubit> ... or my...
2019-07-08 20:01 <BillBlight> yeah it is/was causing many issues with other things, so might be best to just wait it out ..
2019-07-08 20:01 <BillBlight> you could always join the insider program Ubit ...
2019-07-08 20:01 <Ubit> do i look suicidal ?
2019-07-08 20:01 <Ubit> :p
2019-07-08 20:02 <BillBlight> It is been ok, yeah I get a messed up update once in a while, but also get the fix for broken stuff faster ..
2019-07-08 20:03 <Ubit> i might if i had a extra win box
2019-07-08 20:03 <Ubit> not with just one
2019-07-08 20:03 <Ubit> well meanwhile i can't do much abotu those mantis issues, assuming anything could be done
2019-07-08 20:04 <Ubit> btw that reference about zlib, think i did remove it from usage even on libomv
2019-07-08 20:05 <Ubit> well not sure
2019-07-08 20:05 <Ubit> we should not need it, having now similar things on .net
2019-07-08 20:05 <BillBlight> 
ACTION hugs his *nix servers

2019-07-08 20:05 <Ubit> blabla
2019-07-08 20:05 <Ubit> as if linux updates are safe
2019-07-08 20:06 <BillBlight> pfft
2019-07-08 20:06 <Ubit> :)
2019-07-08 20:06 <BillBlight> It's true though, updating anything these days has a sphincter factor of 9.5
2019-07-08 20:08 <Ubit> well things got more complex everyday
2019-07-08 20:09 <Ubit> ( not telling better, just complex :p )
2019-07-08 20:09 <Ubit> but i did lost linux boxes with updates
2019-07-08 20:10 <Ubit> well last was debian 0.3 to 9.5.. a total fail
2019-07-08 20:10 <Ubit> i mean 9.3 to 9.5 :)
2019-07-08 21:10 <Tampa> initial release of ubuntu 16 was as well and then it was patched
2019-07-08 21:10 <Tampa> Happens to the best of them
2019-07-08 21:15 <AliciaRaven> in win10, i disabled cortana, dont trust her, NAS gather all traffic, new windows update has enabled her again, eh
2019-07-08 21:15 <AliciaRaven> glad i dont have a microphone
2019-07-08 21:24 <Ubit> updates do silent enable some crap like that, ms likes datamining
2019-07-08 21:27 <AliciaRaven> all the big companies do
2019-07-08 21:31 <Tampa> That would be a gdpr violation I would think
2019-07-08 21:31 <Tampa> Thankfully still on Win7, but with that ending this year the future looks grim
2019-07-08 21:32 <Ubit> they do give the option to disable ( well some) but you need to keep checking
2019-07-08 21:33 <Tampa> Which in itself, why, why do you HAVE to, computer should obey the human not other way round
2019-07-08 21:33 <AliciaRaven> u think NSA cares about any laws? they violate the US constitution and no one can stop them
2019-07-08 21:33 <AliciaRaven> no evidence, all atempts are met with national security blocks
2019-07-08 21:36 <AliciaRaven> dont want to get into politics, but if u still trust america and its spies, search youtube for william binney, he worked for them, devised alot of their spy craft and then resigned after 2001 attacks when NSA started to spy on everyone, not just suspected targets
2019-07-08 21:37 <AliciaRaven> he says spying on everyone reduces the effectivness of govornments to get the bad guys, because they have too much data and cant interpret it
2019-07-08 21:38 <AliciaRaven> better to follow the bad smell on the net and look close, not gather all telecoms from everyone
2019-07-08 21:41 <AliciaRaven> seen a ted talk by him on youtube about his time working for nsa and why he quit
2019-07-08 21:43 <Tampa> Not saying it is better here but do feel a bit less spied on in the old country
2019-07-08 21:44 <AliciaRaven> same here, but im in UK, we suck up to america too much and follow their example, not so much since trump, he is a joke
2019-07-08 21:46 <AliciaRaven> example of how only big money can run for president, meaning democracy is a joke, u can vote, but only for rich arse holes with their own agenda, money money money lol
2019-07-08 21:56 <Ubit> us ppl can't vote for president even
2019-07-08 21:56 <Ubit> just for a group that will chose the president
2019-07-08 21:57 <AliciaRaven> guess thats same here, we vote for a party, but they vote for their leader
2019-07-08 21:58 <AliciaRaven> great comedian, billy connoly always said, if some one wants to be a politician, they should be banned from being one lol
2019-07-08 22:00 <Plugh> :)
2019-07-09 11:51 <osmantis> Bug #8554:04 MOAP Issue after Update to Windows 1903 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8554 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-09 12:13 <osmantis> Bug #8554:04 MOAP Issue after Update to Windows 1903 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8554 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-09 17:44 <BillBlight> 15 minutes meeting time again ...
2019-07-09 18:01 <BillBlight> Meeting time ..
2019-07-10 09:20 -!- Aramis^(someone@c-66-229-179-38.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has left #opensim-dev
2019-07-10 12:45 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-07-10 17:47 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-10 17:49 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-10 17:52 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-10 18:55 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-10 21:04 <AliciaRaven> another windows update, maybe a fix
2019-07-10 21:06 <BillBlight> https://communities.bmc.com/docs/DOC-95481
2019-07-10 21:07 <BillBlight> I'm trying that
2019-07-10 21:08 <BillBlight> not our program but gonna try it
2019-07-11 00:22 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-11 08:23 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-11 08:24 <osmantis> Bug #8554:04 MOAP Issue after Update to Windows 1903 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8554 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-11 11:25 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-11 11:45 <osmantis> Bug #8560:04 Include directives do not take environment variables expansion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8560 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-07-11 13:57 <osmantis> Bug #8560:04 Include directives do not take environment variables expansion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8560 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-11 17:39 <osmantis> Bug #8561:04 llSay() appears to work from root prim rather than scripted prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8561 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-07-11 19:20 <Ubit> bahh beening suicidal installing .net 4.8
2019-07-11 19:33 <Ubit> ok .net4.8 dev pack installed and 2 updates on top of it
2019-07-11 19:36 <Ubit> 20:36:13 - [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE]: Unable to find parcelID 0
2019-07-11 19:36 <Ubit> how nice..
2019-07-11 19:36 <BillBlight> yeppers
2019-07-11 19:36 <BillBlight> wonderful M$
2019-07-11 19:37 <Ubit> yeah... 
2019-07-11 19:37 <Ubit> guess they messed up big time
2019-07-11 19:37 <Ubit> a update in 4.x family should not break anything
2019-07-11 19:38 <Ubit> a reason why they don't add new major features on it, they only do it on core
2019-07-11 19:39 <Ubit> well i may go search and possible work around this issue.. but what about the ones no one found still ?
2019-07-11 19:40 <Ubit> ok basic check.. clean solution and recomp under 4.8 tools
2019-07-11 19:41 <Ubit> ========== Build: 92 succeeded, 0 failed, 0 up-to-date, 0 skipped ==========
2019-07-11 19:43 <Ubit> fail, of course
2019-07-11 19:43 <Ubit> ok get a new shot of coffe and go look deeper
2019-07-11 20:41 <Ubit> yeack yeack so (not) funny
2019-07-11 21:06 <Tampa> I would honestly wait at that point see for 4.9 or whatever, maybe make an account on there and tell them how shit that update was, but wasting time on something that potentially could be a bug seems wasteful to me
2019-07-11 21:06 <Ubit> looking sounds like JIT is broken
2019-07-11 21:06 <Ubit> had to recomp all in 4.8
2019-07-11 21:07 <Ubit> and if both opensim and libomv comp in debug mode it works
2019-07-11 21:07 <Ubit> in release i get crash even at login
2019-07-11 21:08 <Ubit> seems single and integer parsing is broken ( the parcel id 0 is a fail on parsing the int )
2019-07-11 21:09 <Tampa> or timing
2019-07-11 21:09 <Tampa> though unlikely
2019-07-11 21:09 <Ubit> either parsing or lost strings
2019-07-11 21:09 <Ubit> since its in release, im blind grrr
2019-07-11 22:25 <Ubit> well seems libomv OSD is now broken on 4.8 unless compiled in debug mode
2019-07-11 22:49 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-11 23:10 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-11 23:12 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-12 08:05 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-12 08:23 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-12 15:58 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-12 16:53 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-12 17:04 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-12 17:18 <osmantis> Bug #8554:04 MOAP Issue after Update to Windows 1903 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8554 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008549.
2019-07-12 17:18 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008554.
2019-07-12 17:19 <osmantis> Bug #8559:04 Groups info changes not persisting after update to Windows 1903 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8559 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008549.
2019-07-12 17:19 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008559.
2019-07-12 17:19 <osmantis> Bug #8557:04 Mesh does not render on Warp3D Tiles after update to Windows 1903 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8557 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008549.
2019-07-12 17:19 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008557.
2019-07-12 18:58 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-12 20:11 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-12 20:16 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-12 20:17 <osmantis> Bug #8554:04 MOAP Issue after Update to Windows 1903 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8554 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-13 08:31 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-13 08:32 <osmantis> Bug #8557:04 Mesh does not render on Warp3D Tiles after update to Windows 1903 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8557 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-13 08:32 <osmantis> Bug #8559:04 Groups info changes not persisting after update to Windows 1903 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8559 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-13 09:32 <osmantis> Bug #8562:04 On Windowws 10 1903 Cannot Set Landing Point and Cannot Set OpenSim Region Picture Cannot Activate Group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8562 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-07-13 20:47 <Ubit> oops my win wants to update something.. scary
2019-07-13 20:52 <AliciaRaven> windows has placed a gun to its head, do you want to continue? lol
2019-07-13 20:52 <AliciaRaven> like playing Russian roulette with an automatic
2019-07-13 20:53 <Ubit> and does tell what it wants to update :)
2019-07-13 20:53 <AliciaRaven> all information removed to make it "clean and user friendly"
2019-07-13 20:57 <Ubit> yeap
2019-07-13 20:57 <Ubit> well it may be the .net fix :)
2019-07-13 20:59 <Melanie_T> you have moved the mouse. click "reboot" to reboot now
2019-07-13 21:03 <Melanie_T> "windows needs to restart because you have pressed a key. Click restart or wair 15 seconds to restart, or click later to continue working. Please not that your keyboard will not work until you have rebooted to process the current character"
2019-07-13 21:03 <Ubit> 2019-07 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5, 4.7.2, 4.8 for Windows 10 Version 1809 for x64 (KB4507419)
2019-07-13 21:03 <Ubit> that is what it wants.. lets see what is it..
2019-07-13 21:04 <Ubit> odd i already had that update
2019-07-13 21:05 <Ubit> well or i looked for it bc someone did had it...
2019-07-13 21:05 <Ubit> just not related to the issue we have..
2019-07-13 21:06 <Ubit> odd still does not offer me the 1903
2019-07-13 21:21 <Ubit> "keyboard not found, press any key to continue"
2019-07-13 21:21 <Ubit> loved that one :)
2019-07-13 21:25 <osmantis> Bug #8562:04 On Windowws 10 1903 Cannot Set Landing Point and Cannot Set OpenSim Region Picture Cannot Activate Group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8562 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-13 21:25 <osmantis> Bug #8562:04 On Windowws 10 1903 Cannot Set Landing Point and Cannot Set OpenSim Region Picture Cannot Activate Group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8562 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008549.
2019-07-13 21:25 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008562.
2019-07-13 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-13 23:25 <Tampa> These "bugs" tell me one thing, Win10 sucks, but I already knew that, all hail Win7!
2019-07-13 23:25 <Tampa> Also, stop posting about things that break after updating to bleeding edge expecting it all to work I mean really
2019-07-13 23:44 <Ubit> well shit happens on all new software.. you should see those opensim guys updates..
2019-07-13 23:45 <Ubit> but things like compilers and tools is damm bad and scary
2019-07-13 23:47 <Ubit> love how most prog teachers just say programmers should let compilers do all optimization etc
2019-07-13 23:47 <Ubit> good in theory... always a disaster in real code
2019-07-13 23:48 <Ubit> if you get to out of KISS, well.. 
2019-07-14 00:06 <Ubit> win10 scared osmantis
2019-07-14 07:28 <osmantis> Bug #8562:04 On Windows 10 1903 Cannot Set Landing Point and Cannot Set OpenSim Region Picture Cannot Activate Group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8562 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-07-14 07:30 <osmantis> Bug #8562:04 On Windows 10 1903 Cannot Set Landing Point and Cannot Set OpenSim Region Picture Cannot Activate Group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8562 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-07-15 16:46 <osmantis> Bug #8563:04 llResetLandBanList() and related functions cause error message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8563 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-07-15 16:49 <osmantis> Bug #8563:04 llResetLandBanList() and related functions cause error message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8563 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-15 17:36 <osmantis> Bug #8563:04 llResetLandBanList() and related functions cause error message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8563 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-15 21:12 <osmantis> Bug #8563:04 llResetLandBanList() and related functions cause error message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8563 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-15 21:13 <Ubit> grrr i did delete that "loop.. " on the commit message... well or i think i did :)
2019-07-15 21:14 <AliciaRaven> eww you used a var lol
2019-07-15 21:14 <Ubit> YEahhh i did :)
2019-07-15 21:14 <Ubit> its he only kind of uses i accept
2019-07-15 21:14 <Ubit> right side is very clear on type
2019-07-15 21:15 <Ubit> i don't like type.. so i should lobe var, since reducing type its it only use
2019-07-15 21:16 <Ubit> like typing i meant
2019-07-15 21:17 <Ubit> but var fff = SomeMethod();  bad
2019-07-16 04:55 <Tampa> Either the compiler is high off his meds or that last commit introduced a warning for unused variable
2019-07-16 04:55 <Tampa> Gonna clear workspace and try again nonetheless
2019-07-16 04:58 <Ubit> what is the var name?
2019-07-16 04:59 <Ubit> Build succeeded.
2019-07-16 04:59 <Ubit>     0 Warning(s)
2019-07-16 04:59 <Ubit>     0 Error(s)
2019-07-16 05:03 <Tampa> Aye, no warnings this time, must be some stuck git cache or whatever
2019-07-16 05:03 <Tampa> Someone lend me a hammer gon smack me some jenkins
2019-07-16 05:25 <Ubit> remember the var name?
2019-07-16 06:19 <Tampa> Was the one you added, todelete or whatever, must not have taken the whole commit or something
2019-07-16 17:54 <BillBlight> 5 minute meeting warning ....
2019-07-16 18:15 <Plugh> I'm on my way.
2019-07-16 18:15 <Plugh> Seems like I needed a 20 minute warning today. :)
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2019-07-18 06:59 <LiruCookies> Checking in, about to add http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_Project_EAM/5.2.0.518362
2019-07-18 06:59 <LiruCookies> FS added this in their latest release
2019-07-18 07:05 <Ubit> fs now has a SL only release and a opensim one
2019-07-18 07:05 <Ubit> now they released the sl only one
2019-07-18 07:06 <Ubit> we can add features, but need a viewer to test them ( and reverse eng )
2019-07-18 07:09 <LiruCookies> I will produce a viewer for that shortly, gimme around a week, though I hope to have it done in a few days
2019-07-18 07:09 <Ubit> cool
2019-07-18 07:19 <Tampa> So SL finally implemented what I had built 3 or so years ago as web-based estate management... goodness about time
2019-07-18 07:25 <Ubit> well hope that is possible to mk compatible with previus, lets see
2019-07-18 07:25 <Ubit> ( the estate thing )
2019-07-18 07:26 <Ubit> since its a cap guess so
2019-07-18 07:34 <Tampa> While working on that could also fix that other estate issue hint hint
2019-07-18 07:56 <LiruCookies> Yeah, in fact on SL there are people with existing infra via bots to handle that kinda thing
2019-07-18 08:01 <Tampa> In the end if you can make the simulator re-fetch the db data it all just becomes sql syntax anyways
2019-07-18 09:37 <LiruCookies> But that's not even estate, it's actually just parcel they improved much
2019-07-18 12:12 <LiruCookies> This is not backwards compatible
2019-07-18 12:12 <LiruCookies> From what I can see
2019-07-18 12:13 <Ubit> i fear that can be a problem
2019-07-18 12:13 <LiruCookies> I can make it support both
2019-07-18 12:17 <LiruCookies> Like, old viewers will surely work but older grid responses may not
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2019-07-19 05:57 <Tampa> Could it be the remoteadmin thing, when disabled, still kinda listens to bits sent to it?
2019-07-19 05:58 <Tampa> Also... I think there may still be some memory leaking going on
2019-07-19 05:59 <Tampa> My home region reports 8gb of usage
2019-07-19 05:59 <Tampa> Used to hover around 2 to 4
2019-07-19 05:59 <Tampa> It has only been running for 160 days
2019-07-19 06:01 <Tampa> Good idea osmantis, I should mantis that xD jk
2019-07-19 06:15 <osmantis> Bug #8564:04 Simulator uptime through ossl 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8564 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-07-19 06:15 <Tampa> osGetSimUptime would be neat, cause I am lazy xD
2019-07-19 06:16 <djphil> pfffff
2019-07-19 06:17 <Tampa> I wonder if I can figure out what is causing that high memory usage, kinda curious what "exploded" there
2019-07-19 06:20 <Tampa> 8.263355gb, it's not moving, normally that moves around a bit, couple kb, is that perhaps some sort of maximum? Though how its 64bit process and no hard limit on memory iirc
2019-07-19 07:40 <BillBlight> you can already get the last restart of the region , simple math would tell you the uptime ..
2019-07-19 08:14 <Tampa> I know, but that's not returning anything
2019-07-19 08:14 <Tampa> It's that sim stat script floating around, it's not logging the restarts for me
2019-07-19 10:20 <Tampa> Hows mono 6?
2019-07-19 10:20 <Tampa> Any explosions to report?
2019-07-19 10:46 <Ubit> don't even want to try
2019-07-19 10:47 <Ubit> on tools like compilers one should always be very conservative
2019-07-19 10:47 <Tampa> Well hold my coke let's see what happens
2019-07-19 10:47 <Ubit> known bugs are good bugs..
2019-07-19 10:48 <Ubit> seen the damm issue we are having with .net4.8 JIT
2019-07-19 10:48 <Ubit> i may have to rewrite the damm OSD to avoid the problem
2019-07-19 10:48 <Tampa> I'd wait on that
2019-07-19 10:49 <Tampa> That version feels like "let's make .net 5, but backpush stuff into 4.8"
2019-07-19 10:49 <Ubit> thats what im doing.. the code is kinda elegant, just pushs c# specs a bit
2019-07-19 10:49 <Ubit> i made a simpler program with same type of code and worked fine
2019-07-19 10:51 <Tampa> someone at MS got drunk and yolo'ed a .net release out, seems odd, well let's see if mono6 does boom
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2019-07-19 17:26 <Plugh> Tampa: You can get a message when a region starts. Save the time at that point then you can determine how long the region has been up.
2019-07-19 18:18 <osmantis> Bug #8563:04 llResetLandBanList() and related functions cause error message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8563 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-19 18:56 <osmantis> Bug #8354:04 [PATCH] Allow Grid owners to regenerate a maptile for a region manually through the use of the God Tools 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8354 ): has been CLOSED
2019-07-19 18:57 <osmantis> Bug #8381:04 [PATCH] Adding ServerReleaseNotes Caps to OpenSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8381 ): has been CLOSED
2019-07-19 19:04 <osmantis> Bug #5896:04 Abuse Report Configuration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5896 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-19 19:15 <osmantis> Bug #8563:04 llResetLandBanList() and related functions cause error message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8563 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-07-19 21:16 <Tampa> But in retrospect I can't, also why not just add the info, it's already known to the simulator in a different scope, exporting it to a function or constant accessible would not be the hardest thing to do
2019-07-19 22:26 <osmantis> Bug #8565:04 At high velocities (>200m/s), you can no longer hit objects reliably at close ranges 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8565 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-07-19 22:35 <osmantis> Bug #8565:04 At high velocities (>200m/s), you can no longer hit objects reliably at close ranges 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8565 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-07-19 22:47 <osmantis> Bug #8565:04 At high velocities (>200m/s), you can no longer hit objects reliably at close ranges 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8565 ): has been UPDATED.
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2019-07-20 02:09 <Tampa> stephengwills has wooden internet apparently
2019-07-20 02:12 <Tampa> someone get them a piece of wet string and some adsl lol
2019-07-20 14:19 <Ubit> .0+
2019-07-20 14:19 <Ubit> .
2019-07-22 12:53 <osmantis> Bug #8565:04 At high velocities (>200m/s), you can no longer hit objects reliably at close ranges 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8565 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-22 12:58 <LiruCookies> Hello~
2019-07-22 12:59 <LiruCookies> Estate tools should work in my last push on both SL and OpenSim, but I only had the luxury of testing on opensim
2019-07-22 13:08 <LiruCookies> Banned is gonna have a buncha open space because we just don't have that info over udp
2019-07-22 13:19 <Ubit> yeah we need to keep udp limits for now
2019-07-22 13:22 <Ubit> err where is singu source now»
2019-07-22 13:22 <Ubit> ?
2019-07-22 13:39 <LiruCookies> https://github.com/Lirusaito/SingularityViewer/tree/animesh
2019-07-22 13:40 <LiruCookies> But we'll have a build up shortly on http://links.singularityviewer.org/?to=nightly
2019-07-22 14:24 <Ubit> does it still work on normal opensim ?
2019-07-22 14:24 <Ubit> "normal"
2019-07-22 16:51 <AliciaRaven> normal?
2019-07-22 16:58 <Plugh> What's normal?
2019-07-22 17:00 <AliciaRaven> must mean the one without the comedy glasses with the big plastic nose attached
2019-07-22 17:02 <AliciaRaven> 8 vs 9 or special distro?
2019-07-22 17:13 <Plugh> :)
2019-07-22 18:52 <osmantis> Bug #8565:04 At high velocities (>200m/s), you can no longer hit objects reliably at close ranges 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8565 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-22 18:57 <AliciaRaven> that bug report is basically collision detection "tunnelling" the object in motion is so fast the collision detection misses the point where contact is made
2019-07-22 18:58 <AliciaRaven> there are ways to fix that, but the code is not pretty
2019-07-22 18:59 <AliciaRaven> and probably would impact physic performance alot if a solution is rushed
2019-07-22 19:03 <AliciaRaven> and an efficient way (if possible) would still hit physics performance considerably
2019-07-22 19:03 <AliciaRaven> its a trade off, speed vs accuracy, as many things in vr turn out to be :(
2019-07-22 20:44 <osmantis> Bug #8565:04 At high velocities (>200m/s), you can no longer hit objects reliably at close ranges 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8565 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-22 20:53 <osmantis> Bug #8565:04 At high velocities (>200m/s), you can no longer hit objects reliably at close ranges 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8565 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-22 20:57 <osmantis> Bug #8565:04 At high velocities (>200m/s), you can no longer hit objects reliably at close ranges 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8565 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-22 21:02 <AliciaRaven> found my mantis login again :P
2019-07-22 21:03 <osmantis> Bug #8565:04 At high velocities (>200m/s), you can no longer hit objects reliably at close ranges 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8565 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-22 21:10 <osmantis> Bug #8565:04 At high velocities (>200m/s), you can no longer hit objects reliably at close ranges 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8565 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-22 21:15 <osmantis> Bug #8565:04 At high velocities (>200m/s), you can no longer hit objects reliably at close ranges 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8565 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-22 21:19 <osmantis> Bug #8565:04 At high velocities (>200m/s), you can no longer hit objects reliably at close ranges 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8565 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-22 21:27 <osmantis> Bug #8565:04 At high velocities (>200m/s), you can no longer hit objects reliably at close ranges 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8565 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-22 21:29 <osmantis> Bug #8565:04 At high velocities (>200m/s), you can no longer hit objects reliably at close ranges 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8565 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-22 21:30 <Plugh> If prims move between fire and impact? Of course. How else would you want to implement a shooting gallery. :)
2019-07-22 21:31 <AliciaRaven> yea but testing ray cast between frames hurts performance
2019-07-22 21:31 <AliciaRaven> if u want fast projectile, use llRaycast
2019-07-22 21:32 <osmantis> Bug #8565:04 At high velocities (>200m/s), you can no longer hit objects reliably at close ranges 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8565 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-22 21:32 <AliciaRaven> only use a moving prim as projectile if u want a projectile that follows a non linear path, or has a visible effect, ie a fireball moving through the world
2019-07-22 21:33 <AliciaRaven> for a gun and a bullet, no visible projectile, use llRaycast for instant and accuracy
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2019-07-22 21:42 <osmantis> Bug #8565:04 At high velocities (>200m/s), you can no longer hit objects reliably at close ranges 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8565 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-22 21:59 <djphil> using llcastray + particle and you have visible projectile :p
2019-07-23 18:02 <Tampa> meeting?
2019-07-23 18:06 <Ubit> yeap, we are there
2019-07-24 21:16 <djphil> Hmmm what is the meaning of this strange message :s
2019-07-24 21:16 <djphil> [WARNING]: EOC marker not found. Codestream is corrupted.
2019-07-24 21:39 <BillBlight> @djphil ... http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8499#c34931
2019-07-24 21:43 <djphil> Ok, tank's Bill
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2019-07-25 04:37 <Tampa> djphil you using any transparent textures on trees or stuff like that? That can seriously impact how long maptiles generate for
2019-07-25 11:10 <djphil> @ Tampa : I did not look at it closely. I should look more closely the next time I see this message. I do not specifically use transparent textures like leaves on trees but I use textures materials (col, spec, norm) and also many scripts in general ... with dynamic textures. I must see next time which area produces this alert. I was not paying attention last time and I did not find the alert message in my log. I must wait for a new alert.
2019-07-25 15:28 <Plugh> I was just talking with someone who just had their cable modem equipment updated. They can no longer access the regions they host on their home computer. It sounds like a NAT loopback issue. 
2019-07-25 15:29 <Plugh> Some cable modems/routers disable loopback for security reasons. Is that just a default config for them? Can those modems be reconfigured to allow loopback? I'm asking the person for the details about their equipment.
2019-07-25 18:19 <BillBlight> Depends on the router Plugh, but most that have it disabled there is no way to re-enable it ...
2019-07-25 18:29 <Plugh> Turns out the problem is more than just loopback. People outside the LAN can't get in to the region. Seems like a firewall issue. I was able to have them get in to their router. They have port forwarding set up. Doesn't appear to be a firewall issue within the cable modem, afaict. I've suggested they talk to their cable provider in case they are blocking some ports. 
2019-07-25 18:30 <Plugh> Everything was fine until the person upgraded their Internet connection and was given a different cable modem box. 
2019-07-25 18:31 <Plugh> It is like seeing "new and improved" on the label of something. First reaction is to wonder how they messed up the product. :)
2019-07-25 18:31 <BillBlight> have them check windows firewall, as well, I had a windows update the other day that turned the firewall back on ..
2019-07-25 18:32 <Plugh> ok. I'll pass that along. They are on a Windows box.
2019-07-25 18:32 <BillBlight> one thing to check as well, have them check the external IP , make sure it did not change and their region ini files need to be updated ..
2019-07-25 18:33 <Plugh> Oh, yes. That is a good thought. I forgot to check that. Easy to miss things when I have to get someone else to do the driving of their computer.
2019-07-25 18:36 <Plugh> Switching modems would have required a DHCP renewal and resulted in the modem getting a different IP address.
2019-07-25 18:39 <djphil> some access providers and router manufacturers provide the original and updated bios. In this case it is possible for you to flash the bios of your provider with that of the manufacturer and thus find some operational parameters like nat loopback which is as you say, sometimes restricted by the access provider (more rarely by the manufacturer)
2019-07-25 18:41 <BillBlight> Or put the provided router in Bridge/bypass mode and use their own router ..
2019-07-25 18:42 <djphil> and thus doubling your energy consumption :p
2019-07-25 18:50 <Plugh> The access provider makes you go to your online user account in order to set up some advanced settings such as port forwarding instead of just doing that in the modem itself. They charge extra to enable some advanced features.
2019-07-25 18:51 <BillBlight> Yeah my provider tried that, I bought my own cable modem and told them to stuff it ..
2019-07-25 18:51 <Plugh> :)
2019-07-25 19:33 <osmantis> Bug #8566:04 user cannot create an account 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8566 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-07-25 19:57 <Aramis^> Some are still charging monthly fee even if you have your own cable modem, I think that was in texas somewhere maybe Spectrum? They said when users have supplied own modem it requires higher levels of support so they charge anyway. BS
2019-07-25 20:04 <Aramis^> looking for article...
2019-07-25 20:17 <Aramis^> was Frontier not Spectrum sorry  https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r32167991-Modem-Frontier-Forced-10-Monthly-Rental-Fee
2019-07-25 22:18 <osmantis> Bug #8566:04 user cannot create an account 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8566 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-25 22:19 <BillBlight> I really think Fred should be fielding Dreamgrid issues ... but that is just my opinion ...
2019-07-25 22:21 <Tampa> +1
2019-07-25 22:25 <BillBlight> I notice Fred is pretty quite when the issues are caused by windows but , he screams and yells when he thinks it is opensimulator ..
2019-07-25 23:10 <osmantis> Bug #5896:04 Abuse Report Configuration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5896 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-26 11:38 <osmantis> Bug #8568:04 asdssfsfsdf 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8568 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-07-26 12:05 <djphil> Mmmm mmm, ... Mantis hackink attempt :o
2019-07-26 14:05 <Tampa> lol
2019-07-26 14:05 <djphil> Yeah ... lol or not lol
2019-07-26 14:06 <djphil> seems from Iran
2019-07-26 14:06 <djphil> a old hidden shell
2019-07-26 14:06 <djphil> with 6 level of base64 (lol)
2019-07-26 14:11 <djphil> But we are protected, we have Ubit Firewall
2019-07-26 14:15 <osmantis> Bug #8481:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetLandDwell and PARCEL_DETAILS_LANDDWELL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8481 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-07-26 18:18 <osmantis> Bug #8481:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetLandDwell and PARCEL_DETAILS_LANDDWELL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8481 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-26 18:32 <djphil> Hehe yes! :)
2019-07-26 20:13 <AliciaRaven> i thought dwell was not implemented in OS and was only supported by 3rd party sim modules?
2019-07-26 20:14 <djphil> Well, BrokenUbit has made some updates to this module
2019-07-26 20:17 <AliciaRaven> broken?
2019-07-26 20:17 <djphil> He did not break anything, oops! :)
2019-07-26 20:18 <AliciaRaven> just added dwell that was not supported before? ;)
2019-07-26 20:20 <djphil> Yes it is, it was not supported before. Some db fields were not updated
2019-07-26 20:21 <djphil> I use Barosonix Dwell too, it is more complete (and more greedy)
2019-07-26 20:22 <Tampa> Now you only need to find a buyer for all that data = profits xD
2019-07-26 20:23 <djphil> This is not my goal Tampa
2019-07-26 20:29 <AliciaRaven> who would buy counts of visitors? data is only valuable if u can link to to an email address and make "predictions" about the owner
2019-07-26 20:29 <AliciaRaven> like 75% chance this user likes carrots
2019-07-26 20:29 <AliciaRaven> that IS the kind of shit big data sellers do
2019-07-26 20:30 <AliciaRaven> they take ur data, make supid guesses and sell it on
2019-07-26 20:31 <djphil> even more stupid to buy them
2019-07-26 20:33 <AliciaRaven> exactlty
2019-07-26 20:34 <AliciaRaven> if they dont say 100% they cant get in trouble if they are wrong, but thats what big data relies on
2019-07-29 21:00 <osmantis> Bug #8470:04 Proposal : Separating public and private hostnames in the configuration files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8470 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-29 21:11 <osmantis> Bug #8566:04 user cannot create an account 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8566 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-07-30 09:24 <osmantis> Bug #8470:04 Proposal : Separating public and private hostnames in the configuration files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8470 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-30 09:51 <osmantis> Bug #8470:04 Proposal : Separating public and private hostnames in the configuration files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8470 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-30 13:45 <Ubit> what my cat typed here is not true!!
2019-07-30 13:45 <Ubit> well if she did...
2019-07-30 17:25 <Ubit> lol empty opensimDefaults, that scared me :)
2019-07-30 17:26 <Ubit> merge.. bahh
2019-07-30 17:39 <BillBlight> Meeting time in 20 , making sure Plugh has plenty of time  ... :P
2019-07-30 17:40 <Ubit> tell his cat also
2019-07-30 17:40 <BillBlight> HAHA
2019-07-30 17:41 <Ubit> meow meow devoutreach meow..
2019-07-30 17:41 <BillBlight> LMAO .... Meow
2019-07-30 17:53 <Ubit> see it worked
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2019-07-30 22:30 <Ubit> err where is jenkins ?
2019-07-30 22:31 <djphil> cna't login (lol)
2019-07-30 22:31 <djphil> can't*
2019-07-30 22:31 <Ubit> again ?
2019-07-30 22:31 <djphil> (jenkins can't login) :p
2019-07-30 22:32 <Ubit> seems dead actually
2019-07-30 22:33 <djphil> perhaps we could put the opensim-dev channel back public, the attack is now gone
2019-07-30 22:35 <Tampa> It builds without errors just fyi
2019-07-30 22:35 <Ubit> thx
2019-07-30 22:36 <Ubit> hmm taking ages to fetch git changes
2019-07-30 22:36 <Ubit> ours i mean
2019-07-30 22:36 <Tampa> artifacts look fine too, http://two66.com/mirrors/?dir=OpenSimulator&by=lastModified&order=asc
2019-07-30 22:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #6396 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-07-30 22:37 <Tampa> builds on mono6 even
2019-07-30 22:37 <Ubit> artifacts?
2019-07-30 22:37 <Tampa> the binary package
2019-07-30 22:37 <Tampa> I have jenkins build and upload the binaries to my mirror
2019-07-30 22:37 <Ubit> nice
2019-07-30 22:38 <Tampa> pulls hourly so fetches almost all commits
2019-07-30 22:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6396: FAILURE in 3 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6396/
2019-07-30 22:38 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8558: send sane values for Agents and objects capability (max hard limit)
2019-07-30 22:38 <osjenkins> * melanie: When using FSAssets, the HGAssetService would still use AssetService.
2019-07-30 22:38 <osjenkins> * melanie: When using FSAssets, the HGAssetService would still use AssetService.
2019-07-30 22:38 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8563: do not modify collection inside a loop on it a foreach on it
2019-07-30 22:38 <osjenkins> * melanie: Fix godnames module to not add the empty string if only one option is used
2019-07-30 22:38 <osjenkins> * melanie: Put back the code to create the ready marker file.
2019-07-30 22:38 <osjenkins> * melanie: Don't try to print XML if a corrupted asset is actually binary data
2019-07-30 22:38 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: cosmetics
2019-07-30 22:39 <osjenkins> * melanie: Remove the outdated and no longer useful hardcoded config defaults
2019-07-30 22:39 <osjenkins> * melanie: Restore the OpenSimDefaults I had to move out of the way to test this
2019-07-30 22:39 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: cosmetics
2019-07-30 22:39 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: now i can login on win .net4.8, but just a little drop on a large (broken) OSD ocean. some of this changes are actually good even on good JIT. Failure seems to be on same code pattern, but same points seem to vary with each JIT compilation, sometimes work, others don't, others always fail, etc
2019-07-30 22:39 <Ubit> yeack fails
2019-07-30 22:39 <Ubit> Test Case Failures:
2019-07-30 22:39 <Ubit> 1) OpenSim.Tests.ConfigurationLoaderTests.IncludeTests : System.NullReferenceException : Object reference not set to an instance of an object
2019-07-30 22:39 <Tampa> hopefully the updates to 4.8 don't break older versions
2019-07-30 22:40 <Ubit> older versions of what ?
2019-07-30 22:40 <Tampa> mono and .net
2019-07-30 22:40 <Tampa> If it works on 4.8 that's nice, but if that means it no longer works on 4.6 then... oof
2019-07-30 22:40 <Ubit> 4.7.2 was fine
2019-07-30 22:41 <Melanie_T> Ubit: what's with that SetCurrentCulture
2019-07-30 22:41 <Tampa> I mean I trust in you that updates don't just mean it works on 4.8 but that it continues to work on the bare minimum required version as well is what I am saying
2019-07-30 22:42 <Ubit> hmm? nothing, i thing mel
2019-07-30 22:42 <Melanie_T> OS generally doesn't work with any culture other than en-US
2019-07-30 22:42 <Ubit> i just moved the call point
2019-07-30 22:42 <Ubit> it is there i just moved it
2019-07-30 22:42 <Ubit> ( and that problem should be better now on .net4.6 )
2019-07-30 22:42 <Melanie_T> it's just a flag that stuck out
2019-07-30 22:43 <Ubit> but what had you seen me doing about that?
2019-07-30 22:43 <Melanie_T> as culture has been an ongoing issue in the early 20teen'
2019-07-30 22:43 <Ubit> yes a big pain
2019-07-30 22:43 <Melanie_T> commitdiff on your lates
2019-07-30 22:43 <Melanie_T> shoed a call to SetCurrentCulture
2019-07-30 22:44 <Melanie_T> without args
2019-07-30 22:44 <Ubit> it is there
2019-07-30 22:44 <Melanie_T> and that IIRC means system culture
2019-07-30 22:44 <Ubit> as it was before, just moved a few lines down
2019-07-30 22:44 <Melanie_T> and we'll always want en-US explicitly
2019-07-30 22:44 <Melanie_T> never system culture
2019-07-30 22:45 <Ubit> yes i didn't change it, just moved didn't i ?
2019-07-30 22:45 <Melanie_T> i ddin't check
2019-07-30 22:45 <Tampa> lol
2019-07-30 22:45 <Melanie_T> it just jumoed out so i thought i ask
2019-07-30 22:45 <Melanie_T> it's late here
2019-07-30 22:46 <Ubit> Culture.SetCurrentCulture()
2019-07-30 22:46 <Ubit> its there, just moved it a bit down
2019-07-30 22:47 <Tampa> that works without parameters? Interesting
2019-07-30 22:47 <Ubit> no point calling it if if (m_SimulationService == null)
2019-07-30 22:47 <Ubit> err this is a internal thing
2019-07-30 22:49 <Ubit> ie Culture is our code
2019-07-30 22:49 <Ubit> ..
2019-07-30 22:49 <Ubit>  public class Culture    {        private static readonly CultureInfo m_cultureInfo = new CultureInfo("en-US", false);
2019-07-30 22:49 <Tampa> Now I am curious what would happen if I changed that... hihi
2019-07-30 22:50 <BillBlight> Things break
2019-07-30 22:50 <Ubit> yeap a big pain
2019-07-30 22:50 <BillBlight> when you start using , instead of . things get weird in a hurry
2019-07-30 22:50 <Ubit> here and other countries decimal seperator is comma not dot
2019-07-30 22:50 <Ubit> that breaks all numbers
2019-07-30 22:51 <Tampa> Oh yeah right en-US does that wrong
2019-07-30 22:51 <Ubit> i used to set my win to en us, but can't anymore
2019-07-30 22:51 <Ubit> so i do change it to dot :)
2019-07-30 22:52 <Ubit> err i was going to fic the test wasnt' i ?
2019-07-30 22:52 <Tampa> Well you weren't going to eat those crumpets so must be
2019-07-30 22:53 <Ubit> ( sounds like a test to kill :p )
2019-07-30 22:54 <Ubit> ( thjs is mel's bug not mine :p )
2019-07-30 22:54 <Ubit> if i could find the damm source file.. grrr hate tests
2019-07-30 22:55 <Ubit> duhh was just there in front my glasses
2019-07-30 23:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #6397 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6395 1 mo 16 days ago)
2019-07-30 23:46 <Ubit> grrr are you stucj jenkins ?
2019-07-30 23:51 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-07-30 23:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6397: FIXED in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6397/
2019-07-30 23:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix configuration loader test
2019-07-30 23:52 <Ubit> ok
2019-07-31 08:45 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-31 08:47 <osmantis> Bug #8481:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetLandDwell and PARCEL_DETAILS_LANDDWELL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8481 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2019-07-31 12:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #6398 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-07-31 12:42 <osmantis> Bug #8481:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetLandDwell and PARCEL_DETAILS_LANDDWELL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8481 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-31 12:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6398: SUCCESS in 6 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6398/
2019-07-31 12:46 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Mantis #8481 part one.
2019-07-31 12:46 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Mantis #8481 part two.
2019-07-31 12:46 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change value of PARCEL_DETAILS_DWELL to a higher value to give more room for standard values, change return types, update script syntaxe
2019-07-31 13:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #6399 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-07-31 13:38 <osmantis> Bug #8564:04 Simulator uptime through ossl 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8564 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-31 13:38 <Tampa> Yay!
2019-07-31 13:39 <Tampa> Thanks a bunch!
2019-07-31 13:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6399: SUCCESS in 6 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6399/
2019-07-31 13:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis8564: add region_up_time to llGetEnv. Returns string with seconds since region start. There where ways do get it, but this makes life easier
2019-07-31 14:27 <osmantis> Bug #8561:04 llSay() appears to work from root prim rather than scripted prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8561 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-31 14:30 <osmantis> Bug #8560:04 Include directives do not take environment variables expansion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8560 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-31 16:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #6400 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-07-31 17:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6400: SUCCESS in 5 min 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6400/
2019-07-31 17:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis8548: change more LSL arguments declarations to their formal form. Still a lot more to do. This is a case where coerence matters over performance, to avoid more future issues
2019-07-31 17:34 <osmantis> Bug #8561:04 llSay() appears to work from root prim rather than scripted prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8561 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-31 17:48 <osmantis> Bug #8561:04 llSay() appears to work from root prim rather than scripted prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8561 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-31 19:46 <Ubit> forgot to tell that after last commit folder ScriptEnhines must be deleted to force recompile
2019-07-31 19:46 <Ubit> or things will smoke :)
2019-07-31 19:46 <Ubit> ( yes i forgot to do it also :p )
2019-07-31 19:46 <osmantis> Bug #8561:04 llSay() appears to work from root prim rather than scripted prim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8561 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-31 21:22 <osmantis> Bug #8555:04 MapTileDirectory location is not respected in config 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8555 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-31 21:23 <osmantis> Bug #8522:04 MAP-uuid.png images location improvement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8522 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-07-31 21:26 <osmantis> Bug #8542:04 Login Attempt: HandleRequest() threw exception System.FormatException: 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8542 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-07-31 23:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #6401 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-07-31 23:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6401: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6401/
2019-07-31 23:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis8548: let rotation division be -(olderResult) this is formally more correct (and it is the same rotation), keep not normalizing, as SL seems to do
2019-07-31 23:19 <osmantis> Bug #8569:04 Removing a script with llRemoveInventory after a touch start event lets you left click and drag the prim. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8569 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-07-31 23:21 <osmantis> Bug #8569:04 Removing a script with llRemoveInventory after a touch start event lets you left click and drag the prim. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8569 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-08-01 03:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #6402 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-01 03:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6402: SUCCESS in 4 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6402/
2019-08-01 03:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis8569: do aggregate script events when a script is deleted; block nonphysical drag if a touch event is triggered, add a time guard on that
2019-08-01 04:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #6403 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-01 04:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6403: SUCCESS in 4 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6403/
2019-08-01 04:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make sure XEngine does release script events when a script is destroyed
2019-08-01 04:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #6404 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-01 04:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6404: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6404/
2019-08-01 04:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove redundant code
2019-08-01 13:27 <osmantis> Bug #8548:04 llGiveInventory() does not work under Yengine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8548 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-01 15:39 <osmantis> Bug #8569:04 Removing a script with llRemoveInventory after a touch start event lets you left click and drag the prim. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8569 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-01 15:40 <osmantis> Bug #8569:04 Removing a script with llRemoveInventory after a touch start event lets you left click and drag the prim. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8569 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-01 20:32 <osmantis> Bug #8548:04 llGiveInventory() does not work under Yengine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8548 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-08-01 23:30 <Wanderer_42> Hi. Is there a way, to create an oar from the datas of a database (here it is MariaDB) ?
2019-08-01 23:45 <Ubit> a region has things that are not on region db
2019-08-01 23:45 <Ubit> like assets
2019-08-01 23:48 <Wanderer_42> In the database such objects are not linked ?  Would it be possible, to write an program, that scans the database and collect all "objects" from outside and bind it together to the wanted oar ?
2019-08-01 23:49 <Ubit> objects dont have the textures or scripts etc.. just their uuids
2019-08-01 23:51 <Wanderer_42> Butin principle i could replace that with "dummy"-datas ?  The mainthing is, to restore regions from an broken computer, that I cannot boot. And unfortunately the last oars, that i saved, are pretty old
2019-08-01 23:53 <Wanderer_42> topic scripts: In teh database i find the scripts from regions
2019-08-01 23:54 <Wanderer_42> or wait, maybe only links to the directories, where the scripts are saved. But this directorys are accessible 
2019-08-01 23:54 <Wanderer_42> I can this computer (windows) with linux and get the files from there
2019-08-01 23:55 <Wanderer_42> *I can boot ...
2019-08-02 00:09 <BillBlight> if you were using mysql you could just create a new instance with the same uuid as the old one , and when you load it the items should come back provided you connect to both the region and main db .. If you were using sqllite for the region you can just grab that db file, and bring up the region with the same UUID with that sqllite db  ..
2019-08-02 00:10 <Wanderer_42> Thx. I will try that
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2019-08-02 01:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #6405 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-02 01:38 <Ubit>  reverted with ??  when !!
2019-08-02 01:39 <Ubit> well this libomv is a few more changes that can go wrong...
2019-08-02 01:39 <Ubit> business as usual ;(
2019-08-02 01:39 <Ubit> :)
2019-08-02 01:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6405: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6405/
2019-08-02 01:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libopenmetaverse including a ugly hack to try to workaround issues detected with new windows .net4.8 JIT. this can be reverted with that is fixed, this can also go wrong, as usual ;)
2019-08-02 01:49 <Ubit> osmantis took the day off again
2019-08-02 03:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #6406 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-02 03:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6406: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6406/
2019-08-02 03:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
2019-08-02 04:30 <Tampa> Give osmantis some space, he works hard enough lol
2019-08-02 08:45 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-02 08:52 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-02 09:32 <osmantis> Bug #8570:04 Teleport per MAP not works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8570 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-08-02 09:33 <osmantis> Bug #8570:04 Teleport per MAP not works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8570 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-08-02 09:59 <osmantis> Bug #8570:04 Teleport per MAP not works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8570 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-02 10:01 <osmantis> Bug #8570:04 Teleport per MAP not works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8570 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-02 10:01 <osmantis> Bug #8570:04 Teleport per MAP not works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8570 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008549.
2019-08-02 10:01 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008570.
2019-08-02 10:28 <osmantis> Bug #8570:04 Teleport per MAP not works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8570 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-02 12:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #6407 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-02 12:17 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-02 12:17 <osmantis> Bug #8570:04 Teleport per MAP not works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8570 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-02 12:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6407: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6407/
2019-08-02 12:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: silly bug in libomv
2019-08-02 12:35 <osmantis> Bug #8570:04 Teleport per MAP not works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8570 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-02 12:37 <osmantis> Bug #8570:04 Teleport per MAP not works 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8570 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-08-02 13:05 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-02 16:40 <djphil> Ubit, osGetParcelDwell is limited by threat level ?
2019-08-02 16:41 <djphil> It seems no, but I prefer to ask to be certain before indicating it in the wiki
2019-08-02 16:43 <djphil> ... added http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsGetParcelDwell
2019-08-02 16:47 <osmantis> Bug #8481:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetLandDwell and PARCEL_DETAILS_LANDDWELL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8481 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2019-08-02 16:48 <osmantis> Bug #8481:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetLandDwell and PARCEL_DETAILS_LANDDWELL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8481 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2019-08-02 19:12 <Ubit> no its not
2019-08-02 19:12 <djphil> oki
2019-08-02 22:38 <Ubit> dj
2019-08-02 22:39 <djphil> yes
2019-08-02 22:39 <Ubit> This function was added in 0.9.0.1 ??
2019-08-02 22:39 <djphil> Mmm
2019-08-02 22:39 <djphil> 0.9.1.0 ?
2019-08-02 22:39 <djphil> what is the version n° of current master ?
2019-08-02 22:39 <Ubit> we usually tell date to also
2019-08-02 22:40 <djphil> or related push yeah
2019-08-02 22:40 <Ubit> push does not tell much for most
2019-08-02 22:41 <djphil> true
2019-08-02 22:41 <djphil> but is good ref no ?
2019-08-02 22:41 <Ubit> not needed there
2019-08-02 22:42 <Ubit> even date should not be needed
2019-08-02 22:42 <Ubit> but since there was a osg release with version 0.9.1 that is actually 0.9.0.1
2019-08-02 22:42 <Ubit> well confusing :)
2019-08-02 22:43 <djphil> and "cuurent master" don't help more :s
2019-08-02 22:44 <djphil> ok, tell me what you want and I will change
2019-08-02 22:45 <Ubit> many even tell nothing :)
2019-08-02 22:45 <Ubit> just can't be 0.9.0.1
2019-08-02 22:45 <Ubit> bc that was released and does not have it
2019-08-02 22:47 <djphil> "implemented in augustus" :p
2019-08-02 22:48 <Ubit> MMXIX
2019-08-02 22:49 <djphil> modified ;)
2019-08-02 22:56 <Ubit> Sextilis, anno Domini MMXIX
2019-08-02 22:57 <Ubit> err it was
2019-08-02 22:57 <Ubit> Quintilis MMXIX
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2019-08-03 12:37 <Ubit> oops 
2019-08-03 12:38 <Ubit> she did type here
2019-08-03 12:38 <Ubit> sorry :)
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2019-08-05 02:42 <CodyCooper> Hey, Could Someone who has the ability on the Wiki edit the Main Page to remove under "Participating in the OpenSimulator Community", the part where it mentions the forge.
2019-08-05 05:14 <CodyCooper> Hi, My Name is Nolan, I am 16, and working on a Web Interface called Vortex, written in PHP on the Codeigniter Framework, I am looking for contributors to help with it, as I have gotten the ability to login to the site, and retrieve data setup, but need help with features such as password resets, registering accounts, and more advanced features lik
2019-08-05 05:14 <CodyCooper> e changing region settings, etc and sending partner proposals. Is anyone interested? 
2019-08-05 05:34 <CodyCooper> https://github.com/vortexsystem/VortexWeb
2019-08-05 05:51 <Tampa> I'm actually looking for a junior developer to work on something like that, though I have already completed most of the work and now working on more advanced things
2019-08-05 10:43 <osmantis> Bug #8571:04 Unable to teleport to regions after create new regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8571 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-05 10:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #6408 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-05 11:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6408: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6408/
2019-08-05 12:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #6409 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-05 12:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6409: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6409/
2019-08-05 12:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #6410 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-05 12:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6410: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6410/
2019-08-05 12:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #6411 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-05 12:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6411: FAILURE in 1 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6411/
2019-08-05 12:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #6412 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6410 19 min ago)
2019-08-05 13:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6412: STILL FAILING in 1 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6412/
2019-08-05 13:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #6413 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #6410 32 min ago)
2019-08-05 13:13 <Ubit> don't ask :p
2019-08-05 13:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6413: STILL FAILING in 1 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6413/
2019-08-05 13:15 <Ubit> grrr
2019-08-05 13:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #6414 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #6410 36 min ago)
2019-08-05 13:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6414: STILL FAILING in 1 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6414/
2019-08-05 13:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #6415 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #6410 58 min ago)
2019-08-05 13:42 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-08-05 13:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6415: FIXED in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6415/
2019-08-05 13:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #6416 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-08-05 13:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6416: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6416/
2019-08-05 14:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #6417 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-05 14:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6417: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6417/
2019-08-05 14:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #6418 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-05 14:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6418: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6418/
2019-08-05 14:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #6419 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-05 14:43 <Ubit> grrrr
2019-08-05 14:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6419: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6419/
2019-08-05 14:48 <Ubit> grrrr
2019-08-05 14:48 <AliciaRaven> having fun?
2019-08-05 14:48 <Ubit> yeah :)
2019-08-05 14:49 <AliciaRaven> building ok again so why the grr?
2019-08-05 14:57 <Ubit> bc it is not doing what i want
2019-08-05 15:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #6420 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-05 15:01 <Plugh> Where is the camera setting that provides the default location of it relative to your avatar? My camera is too high up so I'm looking down at an angle that limits what I can see in front of me.
2019-08-05 15:02 <Plugh> I'm using the Firestorm viewer.
2019-08-05 15:02 <djphil> try escape Plugh
2019-08-05 15:03 <Plugh> That resets it to the default which is the one that is too high.
2019-08-05 15:04 <djphil> :s
2019-08-05 15:04 <Ubit> try on move & view
2019-08-05 15:05 <Ubit> os the debug options named camera*
2019-08-05 15:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6420: SUCCESS in 6 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6420/
2019-08-05 15:06 <Plugh> I've just lowered the camera height. Now I think the problem is the "point at" location is wrong.
2019-08-05 15:07 <Plugh> I forced it to point at the middle of my back and it is about where I want it. Hitting esc puts it back to looking at my ankles.
2019-08-05 15:07 <Plugh> or perhaps its my knees.
2019-08-05 15:07 <djphil> maybee this can help you Plugh
2019-08-05 15:07 <djphil> https://gist.github.com/nirea/1261117
2019-08-05 15:08 <Plugh> Hm... camera_behindness_angle. I think that is what I need to change.
2019-08-05 15:11 <djphil> https://wiki.firestormviewer.org/fs_camera
2019-08-05 15:16 <Plugh> Got it. The setting I needed to change in the script is camera pitch.
2019-08-05 15:20 <Plugh> djphil: Thanks. I've got my view back to something more reasonable.
2019-08-05 15:20 <djphil> yw :)
2019-08-05 15:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #6421 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-05 15:22 <djphil> Plugh https://modemworld.me/tutorials__trashed/camera-offsets-penny-patton/
2019-08-05 15:28 <Plugh> djphil: That really helped. It was a focus setting I needed to change. I can see again. :)
2019-08-05 15:29 <djphil> Miracle :)
2019-08-05 15:29 <Ubit> nahh just plughs cat did help him
2019-08-05 15:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6421: SUCCESS in 8 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6421/
2019-08-05 15:30 <Ubit> as my cat did help me now
2019-08-05 15:30 <djphil> you can do it Ubit ^^
2019-08-05 15:32 <Ubit> fighting to have a file to http://dist.opensimulator.org/ automaticly :)
2019-08-05 15:32 <Ubit> well it is there now
2019-08-05 15:32 <Ubit> now.. it it good?
2019-08-05 15:33 <Ubit> err why are there scripts? grr
2019-08-05 15:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #6422 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-05 15:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6422: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6422/
2019-08-05 16:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #6423 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-05 17:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6423: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6423/
2019-08-05 17:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #6424 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-05 17:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6424: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6424/
2019-08-05 17:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #6425 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-05 17:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6425: SUCCESS in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6425/
2019-08-05 17:20 <Ubit> grrrr
2019-08-05 17:20 <Ubit> yeack, of course
2019-08-05 17:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #6426 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-05 17:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6426: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6426/
2019-08-05 17:30 <Ubit> ok there is a new file at http://dist.opensimulator.org/ that should be updated each time jenkins ends with no error
2019-08-05 17:30 <Ubit> now if it is usefull is another story :p
2019-08-05 21:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #6427 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-05 21:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6427: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6427/
2019-08-05 21:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #6428 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-05 21:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6428: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6428/
2019-08-06 03:17 <Ubit> made some changes to http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Download
2019-08-06 05:53 <Tampa> Neat
2019-08-06 15:16 <Ubit> my cats tried to type here again, so fast that the keyboard crashed :)
2019-08-06 15:34 <AliciaRaven> maybe they want to post on twitter and start the car uprising to take over the worlds fish supplies
2019-08-06 15:34 <AliciaRaven> cat uprising*
2019-08-06 15:35 <Ubit> i must do something about this.. who knows what they will tell about me
2019-08-06 15:36 <Ubit> specially why i delay feeding them
2019-08-06 15:36 <AliciaRaven> lol
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2019-08-07 15:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #6429 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-07 15:18 <Ubit> oops
2019-08-07 15:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6429: SUCCESS in 4 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6429/
2019-08-07 15:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add cap EstateAccess
2019-08-07 15:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #6430 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-07 15:22 <Ubit> runprebuild needed of course
2019-08-07 15:24 <Ubit> think this can only be tested with a test singularity viewer
2019-08-07 15:24 <Ubit> ( bother liru for details )
2019-08-07 15:25 <Ubit> ohh one warning
2019-08-07 15:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6430: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6430/
2019-08-07 15:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add cap EstateAccess: missing file
2019-08-07 15:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #6431 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-07 15:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6431: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6431/
2019-08-07 15:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: pesty warning; btw thx LiruCookies for help on estateaccess cap viewer protocol
2019-08-07 16:21 <LiruCookies> <3
2019-08-07 16:22 <LiruCookies> http://nightly.singularityviewer.org
2019-08-07 16:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #6432 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-07 16:40 <Ubit> meed ??? mess !!!!
2019-08-07 16:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6432: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6432/
2019-08-07 16:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cap EstateAccess: don't meed with keepAlive unless needed
2019-08-07 16:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #6433 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-07 17:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6433: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6433/
2019-08-07 17:03 <osjenkins> * melanie: Also remove the defaults from Configger
2019-08-07 17:03 <osjenkins> * melanie: Fix scope support to get friends list names across co-hosted grids
2019-08-07 17:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #6434 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-07 17:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6434: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6434/
2019-08-07 17:26 <osjenkins> melanie.thielker: Put a scope un users. Should fix Unknown UserUMMAU43 unless the user IS unknown
2019-08-07 17:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #6435 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-07 17:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6435: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6435/
2019-08-07 17:34 <osjenkins> melanie: Remove debug output i left in
2019-08-07 20:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #6436 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-07 20:09 <Ubit> cd bin
2019-08-07 20:09 <Ubit> pufff
2019-08-07 20:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6436: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6436/
2019-08-07 20:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add cap EstateChangeInfo
2019-08-08 05:12 <Ubit> Ohh nooo
2019-08-08 05:12 <Ubit> my box started getting win10 1903
2019-08-08 05:13 <Ubit> well i alredy have .net48
2019-08-08 05:15 <Tampa> It does that on its own? Would have thought you to be the guy to put a leash on windows
2019-08-08 05:15 <Tampa> I still have Win7 :D
2019-08-08 06:23 <osmantis> Bug #8571:04 Unable to teleport to regions after create new regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8571 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-08 12:49 <osmantis> Bug #8569:04 Removing a script with llRemoveInventory after a touch start event lets you left click and drag the prim. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8569 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-08-08 12:51 <djphil> Arfff :s the majority of my objects are now dragable
2019-08-08 12:51 <djphil> (all with touch script inside)
2019-08-08 22:56 <osmantis> Bug #8571:04 Unable to teleport to regions after create new regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8571 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-09 00:02 <misterblue> has anyone solved a headless installation of OpenSim... at the moment, the first run of a new installation/database askes a bunch of Estate console questions
2019-08-09 01:38 <Plugh> Headless meaning no console at all? If you populated the databases with the estate information before you started the program it wouldn't have to ask questions. I've always wanted access to the console in order to check things or issue commands. I've never thought of trying to run OS completely headless.
2019-08-09 01:54 <BillBlight> Or you can set estate defaults in the ini
2019-08-09 01:57 <BillBlight> all you have to do is have the user created , and if you set the defaults it will just run and go
2019-08-09 01:58 <BillBlight> [Estates]
2019-08-09 01:58 <BillBlight>     ; If these values are commented out then the user will be asked for estate details when required (this is the normal case).
2019-08-09 01:58 <BillBlight>     ; If these values are uncommented then they will be used to create a default estate as necessary.
2019-08-09 01:58 <BillBlight>     ; New regions will be automatically assigned to that default estate.
2019-08-09 01:58 <BillBlight>     ;# {DefaultEstateName} {} {Default name for estate?} {} My Estate
2019-08-09 01:58 <BillBlight>     ;; Name for the default estate
2019-08-09 01:58 <BillBlight>     ; DefaultEstateName = My Estate
2019-08-09 01:58 <BillBlight>     ;# {DefaultEstateOwnerName} {} {Default estate owner name?} {} FirstName LastName
2019-08-09 01:58 <BillBlight>     ;; Name for default estate owner
2019-08-09 01:58 <BillBlight>     ; DefaultEstateOwnerName = FirstName LastName
2019-08-09 02:30 <misterblue> Thanks Bill... I didn't realize that estate defaults were in the INI files (lazy me)
2019-08-09 02:30 <misterblue> I had considered just adding some records to the DB when it was created but it's OpenSim that creates the initial tables and does DB revisions
2019-08-09 04:11 <Tampa> misterblue I posted a feature request on that nearly a year ago now about how we have inis for everything, but for estates only have defaults, if you want more than one region and estate you are out of luck. I currently do direct sql into the db to solve that, but ideally everything should be configureable through the ini, because well everything else is
2019-08-09 04:11 <Tampa> This is the only thing beside runtime stuff that has to be set via user input and it's such a vital part that having to do direct sql for it to work on auto deployment seems just silly
2019-08-09 08:18 <osmantis> Bug #8571:04 Unable to teleport to regions after create new regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8571 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-09 09:30 <osmantis> Bug #8572:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Delegate for TriggerOnRegisterCaps failed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8572 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-08-09 09:37 <osmantis> Bug #8572:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Delegate for TriggerOnRegisterCaps failed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8572 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-09 09:54 <Ai_Austin> Hi folks.  If @Melanie_T is online could she note Mantis 8572 which I think is a problem introduced in the 4 commits recently.
2019-08-09 10:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #6437 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-09 10:03 <osmantis> Bug #8572:04 [EVENT MANAGER]: Delegate for TriggerOnRegisterCaps failed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8572 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-08-09 10:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6437: SUCCESS in 4 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6437/
2019-08-09 10:06 <osjenkins> * melanie: Make showing NPCs on the world map an option
2019-08-09 10:06 <osjenkins> * melanie: Fix #8572
2019-08-09 10:06 <osjenkins> * melanie: No idea where this diff comes from - change case to lower
2019-08-09 10:07 <Tampa> Is that new estate cap ready for testing?
2019-08-09 10:20 <osmantis> Bug #8571:04 Unable to teleport to regions after create new regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8571 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-09 10:55 <Ai_Austin> Thanks Melanie.. the Bug #8572 fix for the BunchofCaps seems to work fine now.
2019-08-09 11:02 <Melanie_T> It was an oversight because i don't use HG
2019-08-09 11:02 <Melanie_T> so the code assumed that the user has a lcoal user account
2019-08-09 11:06 <Ai_Austin> That's what testing is for Thx.:-) 
2019-08-09 11:06 <Melanie_T> yw :)
2019-08-09 11:06 <Ubit> bahh untested code is perfect.. has no bugs
2019-08-09 11:06 <Ubit> ;)
2019-08-09 11:07 <Ai_Austin> AiLand and Openvue grids now on latest dev master.
2019-08-09 11:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #6438 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-09 11:09 <Ubit> something tells me i need a pull
2019-08-09 11:09 <Ai_Austin> Except for the occasional drop outs of prims, which I see much less now, are things in a pretty stable state?  Its a while since the 0.9.0.1 release. is it nearly time for 0.9.1?
2019-08-09 11:10 <Ubit> dont worry .. it will be broken soon :p
2019-08-09 11:11 <Ubit> gezz in on win 1903 also now
2019-08-09 11:11 <Ubit> took ages to updadate, and had a power fail in the middle of it
2019-08-09 11:11 <Ubit> i did revert all, and had to start 
2019-08-09 11:11 <Ubit> but seem to had survive
2019-08-09 11:12 <Ai_Austin> Yuck... that's bad.  All my systems are on Windows 10 version 1903 and except for the JOT issue we had all looks fine.
2019-08-09 11:12 <Ai_Austin> *JIT
2019-08-09 11:12 <Ubit> well i had installed .net 4.8 on win 1809
2019-08-09 11:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6438: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6438/
2019-08-09 11:12 <osjenkins> melanie: Make the DNS cache timeout configurable.
2019-08-09 11:13 <Ubit> hmnm wonder what tests i left out on jenkins,, it used to be 5 min
2019-08-09 11:13 <Ubit> well change to compile in release
2019-08-09 11:14 <Ubit> changed
2019-08-09 11:14 <Ubit> code should be tested in release...
2019-08-09 11:20 <Ubit> oops my worlmapmodule is dif.. changes i did not commited
2019-08-09 11:22 <Ubit> i don't have that NPC line, odd
2019-08-09 11:23 <Ubit> nor the m_show NPCs option
2019-08-09 11:24 <Ubit> ahh you added it mel
2019-08-09 11:25 <Ubit> how did that NPC compiled? :)
2019-08-09 11:25 <Melanie_T> it didn't
2019-08-09 11:26 <Ubit> ok
2019-08-09 11:26 <Melanie_T> i committed it befor testing but didn't push
2019-08-09 11:26 <Melanie_T> then tested it and it blew up
2019-08-09 11:26 <Melanie_T> fixed and tested again
2019-08-09 11:26 <Melanie_T> and pushed - but forgot to commit the fix first
2019-08-09 11:26 <Ubit> normal coder day ;)
2019-08-09 11:26 <Melanie_T> so i pushed it accidentally withtout the fix
2019-08-09 11:27 <Melanie_T> so the fix shoed up when i did a git diff
2019-08-09 11:27 <Melanie_T> and i was surprised beause it should have been out
2019-08-09 11:27 <Ubit> we also have sp.IsNPC that is same test
2019-08-09 11:28 <Ubit> just the detail is on presence code
2019-08-09 11:29 <Melanie_T> i see both forms being used in the code
2019-08-09 11:29 <Ubit> ok lets see why my work version is diferent.. what was i breaking and didn't commot
2019-08-09 11:40 <Ubit> bahh minor cosmetics 
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2019-08-09 16:22 <osmantis> Bug #5896:04 Abuse Report Configuration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5896 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-09 18:01 <Ubit> oh nice.. mysql now crashes
2019-08-09 18:41 <Ubit> oh well dbs messed up
2019-08-09 18:41 <Ubit> good they are test regions and i don't care about contents
2019-08-09 18:47 <Ubit> well regions back with fresh db tables
2019-08-09 18:48 <Ubit> i even had oars.. uauu
2019-08-10 00:25 <Tampa> Not a good sign for migration however
2019-08-10 08:55 <osmantis> Bug #5896:04 Abuse Report Configuration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5896 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-10 09:37 <Tampa> Some folks are thicker than bricks
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2019-08-10 12:29 <osmantis> Bug #8573:04 All linked objects with touch script are dragable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8573 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2019-08-10 12:29 <osmantis> Bug #8573:04 All linked objects with touch script are dragable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8573 ): Le bogue suivant a été LIÉ au bogue 0008569.
2019-08-10 12:29 <osmantis> Bug #8569:04 Removing a script with llRemoveInventory after a touch start event lets you left click and drag the prim. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8569 ): Le bogue suivant a été LIÉ au bogue 0008573.
2019-08-10 12:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #6439 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-10 13:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6439: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6439/
2019-08-10 13:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8573 and 8569: be more aggressive on drag block with touch on non physical prims
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2019-08-10 15:18 <osmantis> Bug #8573:04 All linked objects with touch script are dragable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8573 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2019-08-10 15:19 <osmantis> Bug #8573:04 All linked objects with touch script are dragable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8573 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2019-08-10 15:20 <osmantis> Bug #8569:04 Removing a script with llRemoveInventory after a touch start event lets you left click and drag the prim. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8569 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-08-10 21:13 <osmantis> Bug #5896:04 Abuse Report Configuration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5896 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-10 21:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #6440 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-10 21:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6440: SUCCESS in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6440/
2019-08-10 21:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: set default value for timestand on groups v2 invites table
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2019-08-10 22:11 <osmantis> Bug #5896:04 Abuse Report Configuration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5896 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-08-10 22:50 <osmantis> Bug #5896:04 Abuse Report Configuration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5896 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-10 22:52 <BillBlight> djphil you only looked at one small part of abuse reports
2019-08-10 22:52 <djphil> Yes I saw, you completed ;)
2019-08-10 22:54 <djphil> but what is the funniest ...
2019-08-10 22:54 <BillBlight> It's a little more than 100 lines of code
2019-08-10 22:54 <djphil> Yes, obviously
2019-08-10 22:55 <djphil> I would put my hand to cut that it already exists on some grid
2019-08-10 22:56 <BillBlight> It does
2019-08-10 22:56 <BillBlight> Ive seen the code
2019-08-10 22:56 <BillBlight> but meh
2019-08-10 22:56 <djphil> can you define "meh" ^^
2019-08-10 22:57 <BillBlight> if people are too lazy to send a email or to send an IM , since opensim grids are not as huge as SL, opensim has helpers and grid admins that are logged in most of the time ..  And good old email works just fine ...   While it would be nice, it is far from being any type of NEED
2019-08-10 22:59 <djphil> This is a point of view
2019-08-11 04:05 <Tampa> Like I said, having the cap could mean people sending reports that are never reviewed, sending a mail is considered more official
2019-08-11 04:34 <Tampa> osmantis is sleeping again
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2019-08-11 10:59 <Ubit> personally not evne looking to that cap
2019-08-11 10:59 <Ubit> no way i can guess the PR grids may want incorporated etc etc
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2019-08-11 11:21 <Tampa> I would at least handle it saying "this is not implemented" just to avoid confusion, but then again the viewer should figure that out as well
2019-08-11 11:21 <Tampa> It really has no use and I question whether those reports actually hold any more evidence than an email would
2019-08-11 11:22 <Tampa> I suppose the reason was mainly so displaynames would convert to usernames when a report is submitted, but since displaynames are bullshit anyways what's the point in that
2019-08-11 11:25 <Ubit> nice grids PR should not have any usage for that
2019-08-12 07:22 <osmantis> Bug #8571:04 Unable to teleport to regions after create new regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8571 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-12 07:24 <osmantis> Bug #8571:04 Unable to teleport to regions after create new regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8571 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-13 17:36 <osmantis> Bug #8574:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osForceAttach/Detach some new complementary features 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8574 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2019-08-13 17:37 <osmantis> Bug #8574:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osForceAttach/Detach some new complementary features 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8574 ): Le bogue suivant a été LIÉ au bogue 0008047.
2019-08-13 17:37 <osmantis> Bug #8047:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION REQUEST] osForceAttachToAvatarTemp 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8047 ): Le bogue suivant a été LIÉ au bogue 0008574.
2019-08-13 21:47 <osmantis> Bug #8575:04 Npc's green dots still appear on map, even when OpenSimDefaults.ini has ShowNPCs = false in [Map] section 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8575 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-08-13 21:54 <osmantis> Bug #8575:04 Npc's green dots still appear on map, even when OpenSimDefaults.ini has ShowNPCs = false in [Map] section 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8575 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-13 22:02 <osmantis> Bug #7999:04 LlSetLinkTextureFast not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7999 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-08-13 22:03 <osmantis> Bug #7719:04 Rigged & unrigged mesh transparency rendering issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7719 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-08-13 22:04 <osmantis> Bug #5402:04 save prims xml2 <prim name> <file name> doesn't appear to save named link set or prims to xml2 file 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5402 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-08-13 22:04 <Ubit> ohh why do i have 3 VS2017 open with libomv and 2 with opensim??
2019-08-13 22:05 <Ubit> 5 vs2017 open.. gezz
2019-08-13 22:05 <Ubit> what wher emy cats trying to code..
2019-08-13 22:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #6441 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-13 22:08 <osmantis> Bug #8575:04 Npc's green dots still appear on map, even when OpenSimDefaults.ini has ShowNPCs = false in [Map] section 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8575 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-13 22:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6441: SUCCESS in 4 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6441/
2019-08-13 22:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8575: npc map dots could be sent on another spot
2019-08-13 22:50 <osmantis> Bug #8575:04 Npc's green dots still appear on map, even when OpenSimDefaults.ini has ShowNPCs = false in [Map] section 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8575 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-08-14 14:13 <osmantis> Bug #8575:04 Npc's green dots still appear on map, even when OpenSimDefaults.ini has ShowNPCs = false in [Map] section 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8575 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-14 14:14 <osmantis> Bug #8575:04 Npc's green dots still appear on map, even when OpenSimDefaults.ini has ShowNPCs = false in [Map] section 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8575 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-08-14 16:44 <djphil> about "osMessageAttachments" would it be fair to say that you have to use "dataserver" to retrieve the sent message. Since this is absolutely not specified in the wiki, I would like to complete it with the exact information.
2019-08-14 19:38 <Plugh> Grr... I'm trying to install mono on CentoOS 7.6 but the key isn't an apparmor key so it won't install. I can't download mono packages because the key isn't valid.
2019-08-14 20:04 <Plugh> Worked out the mono key problem by using my machine to get the key then forwarded it to the machine where I'm trying to do the install.
2019-08-14 20:05 <Plugh> This is an odd one. I have mono 6.0.0 installed to run the latest version of OS from the osgrid.org website and I get -> Exception: System.UnauthorizedAccessException: Access to the path '/home' is denied. ---> System.IO.IOException: Permission denied
2019-08-14 20:05 <Plugh> Why is OS trying to access something outside the directory from which it is being run?
2019-08-14 20:05 <Plugh> I don't have any paths in the ini files that point to a dir outside the current one
2019-08-14 20:11 <Plugh> hm... the problem is that it is using a full path to open the defaults file. -> /home/opensim/osgrid-opensim-05142019.v.9.0.1.0e2adbe/OpenSimDefaults.ini
2019-08-14 20:12 <Plugh> Why is OS not using a relative path to find its OSD ini file?
2019-08-14 20:13 <BillBlight> it uses whatever path the executable is launched from but not sure why you are seeing the full path
2019-08-14 20:14 <Plugh> This machine has the perms on both the /home and the user account as 711.
2019-08-14 20:16 <Plugh> Access to path /home is denied. :(  I changed its perms to 751 and the same for the user account and that didn't fix it either.
2019-08-14 20:18 <Plugh> This computer has only just been commissioned. There could be some sort of security feature enabled that is preventing access to the directory. Still odd that it would reference a path outside of where OpenSim.exe is located.
2019-08-14 20:19 <Plugh> A problem for another time. I need to go out for a while. bbl.
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2019-08-15 10:14 <osmantis> Bug #8576:04 ATTACHMENTS MODULE]: Tried to detach object hud but attached avatar id was NULL_KEY 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8576 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2019-08-15 10:37 <osmantis> Bug #8576:04 ATTACHMENTS MODULE]: Tried to detach object hud but attached avatar id was NULL_KEY 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8576 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2019-08-15 10:37 <osmantis> Bug #8576:04 ATTACHMENTS MODULE]: Tried to detach object hud but attached avatar id was NULL_KEY 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8576 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2019-08-15 10:38 <osmantis> Bug #8574:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osForceAttach/Detach some new complementary features 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8574 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-08-15 10:48 <osmantis> Bug #8574:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osForceAttach/Detach some new complementary features 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8574 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-08-15 13:08 <osmantis> Bug #8575:04 Npc's green dots still appear on map, even when OpenSimDefaults.ini has ShowNPCs = false in [Map] section 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8575 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2019-08-15 13:24 <osmantis> Bug #8575:04 Npc's green dots still appear on map, even when OpenSimDefaults.ini has ShowNPCs = false in [Map] section 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8575 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-08-15 15:28 <osmantis> Bug #8575:04 Npc's green dots still appear on map, even when OpenSimDefaults.ini has ShowNPCs = false in [Map] section 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8575 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-15 15:29 <Ubit> hmm i had a test npc somewhere
2019-08-15 15:46 <Plugh> Hmm... Making NPCs not appear on the map should be an easy fix.
2019-08-15 15:51 <Ubit> should and be sometimes..
2019-08-15 15:52 <Ubit> well and we missed another spot on remote regions
2019-08-15 15:53 <Ubit> on same region if viewer seens it, its possible it just adds it
2019-08-15 15:53 <Ubit> it does that on minimap,  in that case good bc fixes some position issues on large vars
2019-08-15 16:08 <Plugh> Often things that should be easy turn out to not be so easy. :P
2019-08-15 16:09 <Ubit> btw we can't see npcs unless we do create them.. grrr
2019-08-15 16:37 <Ubit> how nice 
2019-08-15 16:37 <Ubit> m_showNPCs =
2019-08-15 16:37 <Ubit>                 Util.GetConfigVarFromSections<bool>(config, "ShowNPCs", configSections, m_showNPCs);
2019-08-15 16:37 <Ubit> does nothing
2019-08-15 16:38 <Ubit> well does, but value is lost
2019-08-15 16:39 <Ubit> of course
2019-08-15 16:39 <Ubit> damm stupid use of overrides 
2019-08-15 16:40 <Ubit> funny  the code does run in debug
2019-08-15 16:43 <Ubit> our usage of methods overrides is just BAD
2019-08-15 16:43 <Ubit> a maintnance nightmare
2019-08-15 16:43 <Ubit> yes i mean the stupid HG
2019-08-15 16:45 <Ubit> on top od that no idea why vs in debug does call the overided method, then discharges what it did
2019-08-15 16:47 <Ubit> yeach of course the module is loaded twice
2019-08-15 16:47 <Ubit> once as normal map module, then as HG mapmodule
2019-08-15 17:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #6442 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-15 17:00 <Ubit> opps missing file
2019-08-15 17:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6442: FAILURE in 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6442/
2019-08-15 17:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make HGworldmap initialize its base wordmap
2019-08-15 17:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #6443 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6441 1 day 18 hr ago)
2019-08-15 17:06 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-08-15 17:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6443: FIXED in 4 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6443/
2019-08-15 17:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: still another missing ShowNPCs case, and needed changes for prev commit
2019-08-15 17:11 <osmantis> Bug #8575:04 Npc's green dots still appear on map, even when OpenSimDefaults.ini has ShowNPCs = false in [Map] section 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8575 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-15 17:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #6444 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-08-15 17:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6444: SUCCESS in 4 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6444/
2019-08-15 17:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  move file HGworldMapModule to where it belongs( runprebuild)
2019-08-15 18:12 <osmantis> Bug #8470:04 Proposal : Separating public and private hostnames in the configuration files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8470 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-15 18:12 <osmantis> Bug #8470:04 Proposal : Separating public and private hostnames in the configuration files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8470 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2019-08-15 19:37 <osmantis> Bug #8575:04 Npc's green dots still appear on map, even when OpenSimDefaults.ini has ShowNPCs = false in [Map] section 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8575 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-15 20:06 <osmantis> Bug #8575:04 Npc's green dots still appear on map, even when OpenSimDefaults.ini has ShowNPCs = false in [Map] section 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8575 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-15 20:07 <osmantis> Bug #8575:04 Npc's green dots still appear on map, even when OpenSimDefaults.ini has ShowNPCs = false in [Map] section 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8575 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-08-16 13:42 <osmantis> Bug #8577:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osGetInventoryName and osGetInventoryDesc by itemid are broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8577 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2019-08-16 19:39 <Ubit> hmm the prob is with llGetInventoryKey
2019-08-16 19:40 <djphil> it return a key for me
2019-08-16 19:40 <djphil> the key is invalid ?
2019-08-16 19:40 <Ubit> yes but its the wrong one
2019-08-16 19:41 <djphil> cool to have found
2019-08-16 19:41 <Ubit> well since 0.8.2
2019-08-16 19:41 <Ubit> at least
2019-08-16 19:41 <Ubit> it does not return the item id, but the id of the asset it points to
2019-08-16 19:42 <djphil> I thought I tested it when you added the new inventory function
2019-08-16 19:42 <Ubit> and using it is problematic
2019-08-16 19:42 <Ubit> there can be several with same name
2019-08-16 19:44 <djphil> so he had to point to the item id
2019-08-16 19:44 <djphil> and not on the inventory asset id
2019-08-16 19:44 <djphil> normally the item id has only one name
2019-08-16 19:44 <Ubit> well but it always did point to the asset no idea why
2019-08-16 19:45 <Ubit> ( and you need rights to use it )
2019-08-16 19:45 <Ubit> if ((item.CurrentPermissions
2019-08-16 19:45 <Ubit>                  & (uint)(PermissionMask.Copy | PermissionMask.Transfer | PermissionMask.Modify))
2019-08-16 19:45 <Ubit>                     == (uint)(PermissionMask.Copy | PermissionMask.Transfer | PermissionMask.Modify))
2019-08-16 19:45 <Ubit> this rights
2019-08-16 19:46 <djphil> if I am owner I have the perms
2019-08-16 19:47 <Ubit> hmm don't see it on the wiki
2019-08-16 19:48 <djphil> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlGetInventoryKey
2019-08-16 19:49 <Ubit> not on the main http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OSSL_Implemented is it ?
2019-08-16 19:50 <Ubit> thats the LL, you used the OS
2019-08-16 19:50 <djphil> what function do you not find?
2019-08-16 19:50 <Ubit> oops
2019-08-16 19:51 <Ubit> never mind.. glasses you kown :)
2019-08-16 19:51 <djphil> ^^
2019-08-16 19:52 <Ubit> yes sl one does point to the asset
2019-08-16 19:53 <djphil> Hmmm :s
2019-08-16 19:54 <Ubit> "The UUID returned is that of the asset to which the inventory item points, it is not the UUID of the inventory item itself."
2019-08-16 19:54 <Ubit> very clear on their wiki
2019-08-16 19:57 <djphil> so how to get the item id
2019-08-16 20:03 <Ubit> well we have a name issue on the other new ones
2019-08-16 20:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #6445 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-16 20:26 <djphil> There you go
2019-08-16 20:28 <djphil> It was subtle, well done!
2019-08-16 20:28 <osmantis> Bug #8577:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osGetInventoryName and osGetInventoryDesc by itemid are broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8577 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-16 20:29 <Ubit> does it work? :)
2019-08-16 20:29 <djphil> Wow mom !!!
2019-08-16 20:29 <djphil> ^^
2019-08-16 20:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6445: SUCCESS in 4 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6445/
2019-08-16 20:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8577: add key osGetInventoryItemKey(string name) to get a inventory item ID within prim inventory. the llGetInventory does return the asset it, not item.
2019-08-16 20:29 <Ubit> hmm that means yes or not?
2019-08-16 20:29 <Ubit> :)
2019-08-16 20:30 <djphil> That means i try to debug groups v1 at now
2019-08-16 20:30 <Ubit> whats that?
2019-08-16 20:30 <djphil> the flotsam xmlrpc groups
2019-08-16 20:30 <Ubit> that xml.. not v1
2019-08-16 20:31 <djphil> ok ok
2019-08-16 20:31 <Ubit> v1 is a useless thing we have somewhere
2019-08-16 20:33 <djphil> V2 it's good we can not move the db of groups v2 ...
2019-08-16 20:43 <Ubit> well i found v2 needs work..
2019-08-16 20:44 <Ubit> i did work on xml one, and not v2
2019-08-16 20:44 <Ubit> just bc i was testing it all at osgrid
2019-08-16 20:44 <Ubit> dbs, well not much to do on that.. they are dif, perion
2019-08-16 20:44 <Ubit> and period
2019-08-16 20:44 <Ubit> :)
2019-08-16 20:48 <djphil> You talk about the php part or C# module part ?
2019-08-16 20:55 <osmantis> Bug #8577:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osGetInventoryName and osGetInventoryDesc by itemid are broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8577 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2019-08-16 20:55 <osmantis> Bug #8577:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osGetInventoryName and osGetInventoryDesc by itemid are broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8577 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
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2019-08-16 21:49 <Ubit> added http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsGetInventoryItemKey content
2019-08-16 21:50 <Ubit> and changed again :)
2019-08-16 21:59 <djphil> if osGetInventoryItemKey return NULL_KEY that means the inventory item is missing or something else ?
2019-08-16 21:59 <Ubit> no rights also 
2019-08-16 22:01 <Ubit> hmm owner needs basicly full rights actually
2019-08-16 22:01 <Ubit> PermissionMask.Copy | PermissionMask.Transfer | PermissionMask.Modify
2019-08-16 22:03 <Ubit> ok changed that on wiki
2019-08-16 22:05 <Ubit> again.. added "Returns NULL_KEY if the item is not found or Owner has no rights "
2019-08-16 22:12 <djphil> small change on script too
2019-08-16 22:12 <Ubit> ?
2019-08-16 22:12 <djphil> on wiki i have modified a little
2019-08-16 22:13 <djphil> adding if/else
2019-08-16 22:13 <Ubit> ok
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2019-08-17 18:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #6446 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-17 18:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6446: SUCCESS in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6446/
2019-08-17 18:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor update to osslEnable.ini
2019-08-17 18:46 <osmantis> Bug #8578:04 windows 10 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8578 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-08-17 18:48 <osmantis> Bug #8578:04 windows 10 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8578 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-08-17 18:49 <osmantis> Bug #8578:04 windows 10 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8578 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008549.
2019-08-17 18:49 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008578.
2019-08-17 18:51 <osmantis> Bug #8578:04 windows 10 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8578 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-17 18:51 <osmantis> Bug #8578:04 windows 10 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8578 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-08-17 19:04 <osmantis> Bug #8578:04 windows 10 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8578 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-17 19:08 <osmantis> Bug #8578:04 windows 10 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8578 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-17 19:11 <Ubit> gezz wasn't 0.8.2 the perfect version?
2019-08-17 19:11 <Ubit> :p
2019-08-17 19:11 <BillBlight> HAHA
2019-08-17 19:29 <osmantis> Bug #8578:04 windows 10 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8578 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-08-17 19:29 <osmantis> Bug #8578:04 windows 10 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8578 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-08-17 19:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #6447 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-17 19:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6447: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6447/
2019-08-17 19:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: EstateAccess: add some ban fields to fill one day
2019-08-17 19:51 <osmantis> Bug #8578:04 windows 10 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8578 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-17 19:51 <djphil> Ubit, you don't add osGetParcelDwell on osslEneble.ini ?
2019-08-17 20:04 <Ubit> forgot :)
2019-08-17 23:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #6448 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-17 23:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6448: SUCCESS in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6448/
2019-08-17 23:06 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: EstateAccess do fill the fields(mySQL only); fix the response
2019-08-17 23:06 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: missing file
2019-08-17 23:08 <Melanie_T> Ubit: what are those ban fields?
2019-08-17 23:08 <Ubit> new things
2019-08-17 23:08 <Melanie_T> viewerside?
2019-08-17 23:08 <Melanie_T> or ours?
2019-08-17 23:08 <Ubit> yes
2019-08-17 23:09 <Ubit> new viewer side
2019-08-17 23:09 <Ubit> singularity suports that ( beta 7766 )
2019-08-17 23:09 <Melanie_T> seeing a problem
2019-08-17 23:09 <Melanie_T> i didn't see you plumbing through the robust based estate service
2019-08-17 23:10 <Melanie_T> that will also need it added
2019-08-17 23:10 <Ubit> does that even work
2019-08-17 23:10 <Ubit> ?
2019-08-17 23:11 <Melanie_T> dive did it
2019-08-17 23:11 <Melanie_T> so i suppose it does
2019-08-17 23:11 <Ubit> but yes also sqlite and  pgsql
2019-08-17 23:11 <Melanie_T> diva*
2019-08-17 23:11 <Ubit> i understud :)
2019-08-17 23:15 <Ubit> actually i think i did suport it
2019-08-17 23:15 <Ubit> with a bug, i was about to fix
2019-08-17 23:22 <Ubit> well or not :p
2019-08-17 23:23 <Ubit> well all my grid tables about estate are empty
2019-08-17 23:25 <Ubit> ahh yes, not using centralized one
2019-08-17 23:28 <Ubit> and of course, uses still another way to gen/get crap xml
2019-08-17 23:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #6449 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-17 23:34 <Ubit> there.. robust thing should work
2019-08-17 23:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6449: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6449/
2019-08-17 23:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: i do not not store banTime as DateTime, fix the EstateBan decoder
2019-08-17 23:42 <Ubit> that last login is a total pain
2019-08-17 23:42 <Melanie_T> i didn't se eyou change the network protocol stuff for centralized estate
2019-08-17 23:42 <Ubit> it is automatic
2019-08-17 23:43 <Melanie_T> oops
2019-08-17 23:43 <Melanie_T> automatic in what way?
2019-08-17 23:43 <Ubit> serializes that dictionay
2019-08-17 23:43 <Melanie_T> .net automatic serialization?
2019-08-17 23:43 <Ubit> guess so
2019-08-17 23:43 <Melanie_T> we should not use that anywhere
2019-08-17 23:43 <Ubit> well the robus db is updated also
2019-08-17 23:43 <Ubit> tell diva :p
2019-08-17 23:43 <Melanie_T> it means that versions without it and version with it won't interoperate
2019-08-17 23:43 <Ubit> she uses dif methods everywhere :)
2019-08-17 23:44 <Ubit> i cant really test now
2019-08-17 23:45 <Ubit> well now i need to fix sqlite and pgsql also grrr
2019-08-17 23:46 <Ubit> from what i said, i did this because Liru did it on singy
2019-08-17 23:48 <Ubit> guess Dayturn(?) will have this also
2019-08-17 23:48 <Melanie_T> tbh, do we even NEED that stuff?
2019-08-17 23:49 <Ubit> 
ACTION looks to dj .. and yeap yes.. ppl will ask as soon viewers have it 

2019-08-17 23:49 <Melanie_T> hmmm
2019-08-17 23:50 <Ubit> the only thing usefull is what i just added, shows who made a estate ban and when
2019-08-17 23:50 <Ubit> rest is just rearrange of visual
2019-08-17 23:50 <Melanie_T> i think exposing last login data could be intrusive
2019-08-17 23:50 <Ubit> i show nq
2019-08-17 23:50 <Ubit> "na"
2019-08-17 23:51 <Melanie_T> i see
2019-08-17 23:51 <Ubit> not only intrusive but a total pain for us to get it
2019-08-18 01:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #6450 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-18 01:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6450: SUCCESS in 4 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6450/
2019-08-18 01:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops...
2019-08-18 10:29 <osmantis> Bug #8578:04 windows 10 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8578 ): has been CLOSED
2019-08-18 10:30 <osmantis> Bug #8549:04 [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE] does not work anymore after Windows 1903 update 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8549 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-08-18 10:31 <osmantis> Bug #8559:04 Groups info changes not persisting after update to Windows 1903 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8559 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-08-18 10:32 <osmantis> Bug #8557:04 Mesh does not render on Warp3D Tiles after update to Windows 1903 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8557 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-08-18 10:32 <osmantis> Bug #8554:04 MOAP Issue after Update to Windows 1903 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8554 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-08-18 19:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #6451 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-18 19:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6451: FAILURE in 3 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6451/
2019-08-18 19:39 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: try to update PGSQL estateban
2019-08-18 19:39 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: try to update SQLite estateban
2019-08-18 19:39 <Ubit> of course it did
2019-08-18 19:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #6452 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6450 18 hr ago)
2019-08-18 19:58 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-08-18 19:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6452: FIXED in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6452/
2019-08-18 19:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: try again to update SQLite estateban
2019-08-18 20:26 <Melanie_T> try?
2019-08-18 20:26 <Melanie_T> do, or do not, there is no try
2019-08-18 20:26 <Ubit> :p
2019-08-19 11:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #6453 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-08-19 11:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6453: SUCCESS in 4 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6453/
2019-08-19 11:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change PGSQL migration
2019-08-19 21:29 <osmantis> Bug #8579:04 while(1) doesnt repeat forever 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8579 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-08-19 21:32 <osmantis> Bug #8579:04 while(1) doesnt repeat forever 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8579 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-20 10:32 <Wanderer_42> Hi. I try to run an standalone-server (linux cinnamon 19.2).  But I get this errormessage and I cannot find any information in the net:
2019-08-20 10:33 <Wanderer_42> SimulationDataStore2019-08-20 12:12:51,915 FATAL Fatal error: System.Exception: Could not load an ISimulationDataService implementation from OpenSim.Services.SimulationService.dll:SimulationDataService, as configured in the LocalServiceModule parameter of the [SimulationDataStore] config section. 
2019-08-20 10:33 <Wanderer_42> I trid to comment that out. But I get another errormessage.
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2019-08-20 13:46 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-20 18:35 <Ubit> plugh's cat.. remember him about meeting
2019-08-20 22:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #6454 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-20 22:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6454: SUCCESS in 4 min 40 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6454/
2019-08-20 22:34 <osjenkins> melanie: Massive console refactor. Greatly simplify interface.
2019-08-21 11:10 <Wanderer_42> Hi. I try the metropolis-version (0.9.1.0) in standalone under Cinnamon 19.2
2019-08-21 11:10 <Wanderer_42>  
2019-08-21 11:10 <Wanderer_42> If I start opensim.exe via bash, I get this Message:
2019-08-21 11:10 <Wanderer_42>  
2019-08-21 11:10 <Wanderer_42> Master ini file /home/myname/OpenSimDefaults.ini not found
2019-08-21 11:10 <Wanderer_42>  
2019-08-21 11:10 <Wanderer_42>  
2019-08-21 11:11 <Wanderer_42> I cant find this file
2019-08-21 11:23 <Melanie_T> the file is part of the regular opensim distribution
2019-08-21 11:24 <Wanderer_42> So I have to copy it from there ?  I have read somewhere, that this file is obsolete
2019-08-21 11:26 <Melanie_T> no, that file is of absolute importance
2019-08-21 11:26 <Melanie_T> there aren't any sane defaults compiled in
2019-08-21 11:26 <Melanie_T> that file supplies the sane defaults
2019-08-21 11:26 <Melanie_T> you can use the partially insane defaults
2019-08-21 11:27 <Melanie_T> by just creating the file as an empty file
2019-08-21 11:27 <Melanie_T> it may work, ymmv
2019-08-21 11:27 <Wanderer_42> Thank you
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2019-08-21 12:13 <djphil> v
2019-08-21 12:13 <djphil> oops
2019-08-21 12:37 <osmantis> Bug #8580:04 Teleport to a region in the same grid fails with "Error Contacting Grid". 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8580 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-08-21 20:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #6455 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-21 20:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6455: SUCCESS in 4 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6455/
2019-08-21 20:29 <osjenkins> * melanie: Call SetServer on consoles reflectively to avoid having type checks in places where it tends to be forgotten to update them.
2019-08-21 20:29 <osjenkins> * melanie: Make ReadConfig a general features of consoles, rather than type dependent
2019-08-22 18:06 <misterblue> I seen complaints about different versions of Mono... what's the consensus? 4.6? 4.8? 5.6?
2019-08-22 18:08 <misterblue> missed a digit... 4.6? 4.8? 5.20? and nows there's Mono 6.0
2019-08-22 18:08 <misterblue> what have been the experiences?
2019-08-22 18:13 <BillBlight> Current master code requires at least mono 5.12
2019-08-22 18:18 <misterblue> thanks Bill!
2019-08-23 13:48 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-23 17:32 <djphil> Hello! Is it normal that this does not work?
2019-08-23 17:32 <djphil> llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast (LINK_ALL_CHILDREN, [PRIM_PHYSICS, TRUE]);
2019-08-23 17:32 <djphil> It seems to force for all prims and not just for all children.
2019-08-23 17:32 <djphil> And it's the same with LINK_ALL_OTHERS
2019-08-23 17:32 <djphil> And also with PRIM_TEMP_ON_REZ
2019-08-23 19:06 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-23 19:10 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-23 19:15 <BillBlight> You can't have a  link set where some prims are physical and some are not, if you switch physical , the whole linkset goes physical ... You can change the physics shape type of link members though ...
2019-08-23 19:16 <Ubit> hmm ?
2019-08-23 19:18 <BillBlight> Was replying to djphil ..  
2019-08-23 19:19 <Ubit> ok
2019-08-23 20:21 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-23 20:30 <osmantis> Bug #8581:04 Change in Console strings - some log messages not instantiated? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8581 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-08-23 20:35 <osmantis> Bug #8581:04 Change in Console strings - some log messages not instantiated? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8581 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-08-23 20:35 <osmantis> Bug #8581:04 Change in Console strings - some log messages not instantiated? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8581 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-08-23 20:36 <djphil> @Bill : Ok so it's not a bug, it's just a limitation
2019-08-23 20:57 <Ubit> now a limitation, its how a linkset model is
2019-08-23 20:57 <djphil> a model limitation then
2019-08-23 20:58 <Ubit> it makes no sense otherwise :)
2019-08-23 20:58 <djphil> I used to test a linkset explosion
2019-08-23 20:59 <Ubit> in that case, some of those flags linkset ( or root prim) only may kick in
2019-08-23 20:59 <Ubit> may
2019-08-23 21:00 <djphil> I wanted all prims physics and phantoms except prim root (with the script)
2019-08-23 21:00 <Ubit> that is physics type none
2019-08-23 21:01 <djphil> now I'm doing it in 2 steps ....
2019-08-23 21:02 <djphil> yes I could force also type "none"
2019-08-23 21:02 <djphil> but 01PRIM_PHYSICS, TRUE01 on first step
2019-08-23 21:02 <djphil> and 01PRIM_PHYSICS, FALSE for root on step 201
2019-08-23 21:03 <djphil> finally it is not very important ... ;)
2019-08-23 21:28 <BillBlight> Set the links invis and rez pieces with momentum that are the parts of the explosion, that would work too ..
2019-08-23 21:29 <djphil> Yes, there are several ways to achieve this, for sure.
2019-08-23 21:53 <osmantis> Bug #8581:04 Change in Console strings - some log messages not instantiated? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8581 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-08-24 06:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #6456 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-24 07:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6456: SUCCESS in 5 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6456/
2019-08-24 07:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor change on httpserver dll
2019-08-24 09:17 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-24 11:08 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-24 15:06 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-24 18:26 <Wanderer_42> Hi. I have a problem, to run opensim (opensim-0.9.0.1.tar.gz ) Standalone in Cinnamon 19.2.
2019-08-24 18:26 <Wanderer_42> I copied, as suggested in http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Configuration#Running_OpenSimulator_in_Standalone_mode
2019-08-24 18:26 <Wanderer_42> OpenSim.ini.example into OpenSim.ini and StandaloneCommon.ini.example to StandaloneCommon.ini.
2019-08-24 18:26 <Wanderer_42>  
2019-08-24 18:26 <Wanderer_42> In Windows this works without any further steps. But in Linux I just get:
2019-08-24 18:26 <Wanderer_42>  
2019-08-24 18:26 <Wanderer_42> 20:16:32 - Fatal error: System.Exception: Configuration file is missing the [SimulationDataStore]: section.  Have you copied OpenSim.ini.example to OpenSim.ini to reference config-include/ files?
2019-08-24 18:26 <Wanderer_42>   at OpenSim.OpenSimBase.StartupSpecific () [0x00149] in <95915fc3896e4fdd95956a072bc7cae5>:0 
2019-08-24 18:26 <Wanderer_42>   at OpenSim.OpenSim.StartupSpecific () [0x00149] in <95915fc3896e4fdd95956a072bc7cae5>:0 
2019-08-24 18:26 <Wanderer_42>   at OpenSim.Framework.Servers.BaseOpenSimServer.Startup () [0x0006a] in <23aa976fa7994314aaaa7c7f0a83d8af>:0 
2019-08-24 18:26 <Wanderer_42>  
2019-08-24 18:26 <Wanderer_42> Can anyone give me a hint please ?
2019-08-24 18:26 <Wanderer_42>  
2019-08-24 18:26 <Wanderer_42>  
2019-08-24 18:34 <misterblue> The [SimulationDataStore] section is in 'bin/config-include/Standalone.ini' (or other configuration files if doing grids)
2019-08-24 18:35 <misterblue> the default OpenSim.ini includes 'config-include/Standalone.ini' which, in turn includes 'config-include/StandaloneCommon.ini'
2019-08-24 18:36 <misterblue> if it is missing the [SimulationDataStore] section, that means the config-include directory is not set up properly
2019-08-24 18:36 <misterblue> if you're running in DEBUG log mode, OpenSim.log will list each of the INI files as they are included
2019-08-24 18:37 <misterblue> that helps a lot in finding which is not getting
2019-08-24 18:37 <Wanderer_42> What is different in Linux ?  (I am jsut a Beginner in Linux). Same procedure works in Windows. Exactly same setup
2019-08-24 18:38 <misterblue> isn't different in Linux
2019-08-24 18:38 <misterblue> make sure you have 'bin/config-include/Standalone.ini' and it contains the [SimulationDataStore] section
2019-08-24 18:43 <Wanderer_42> I coiped the section from grid.ini into standalone.ini. Same error
2019-08-24 18:43 <misterblue> does OpenSim.log say it's reading that INI file?
2019-08-24 18:45 <Wanderer_42> Here the current output from the logfiel:
2019-08-24 18:45 <Wanderer_42> 2019-08-24 20:42:20,332 INFO  ====================================================================
2019-08-24 18:45 <Wanderer_42> 2019-08-24 20:42:20,332 INFO  ========================= STARTING OPENSIM =========================
2019-08-24 18:45 <Wanderer_42> 2019-08-24 20:42:20,332 INFO  ====================================================================
2019-08-24 18:45 <Wanderer_42> 2019-08-24 20:42:20,335 INFO  [SERVER BASE]: Starting in /home/killer
2019-08-24 18:45 <Wanderer_42> 2019-08-24 20:42:20,335 INFO  [SERVER BASE]: OpenSimulator version: OpenSim 0.9.0.1 Release          
2019-08-24 18:45 <Wanderer_42> 2019-08-24 20:42:20,335 INFO  [SERVER BASE]: Operating system version: Unix 4.15.0.58, .NET platform Unix, 64-bit
2019-08-24 18:45 <Wanderer_42> 2019-08-24 20:42:20,336 INFO  [SERVER BASE]: Logging started to file /data1/VirtuelleWeltenServer/opensim0901/bin/OpenSim.log
2019-08-24 18:45 <Wanderer_42> 2019-08-24 20:42:20,337 INFO  [SERVER BASE]: Stats Logging started to file /data1/VirtuelleWeltenServer/opensim0901/bin/OpenSimStats.log
2019-08-24 18:45 <Wanderer_42> 2019-08-24 20:42:20,341 FATAL Fatal error: System.Exception: Configuration file is missing the [SimulationDataStore] section.  Have you copied OpenSim.ini.example to OpenSim.ini to reference config-include/ files?
2019-08-24 18:45 <Wanderer_42>   at OpenSim.OpenSimBase.StartupSpecific () [0x00149] in <95915fc3896e4fdd95956a072bc7cae5>:0 
2019-08-24 18:45 <Wanderer_42>   at OpenSim.OpenSim.StartupSpecific () [0x00149] in <95915fc3896e4fdd95956a072bc7cae5>:0 
2019-08-24 18:45 <Wanderer_42>   at OpenSim.Framework.Servers.BaseOpenSimServer.Startup () [0x0006a] in <23aa976fa7994314aaaa7c7f0a83d8af>:0 
2019-08-24 18:45 <Wanderer_42>  
2019-08-24 18:46 <Wanderer_42> This is the section:
2019-08-24 18:46 <Wanderer_42> [SimulationDataStore]
2019-08-24 18:46 <Wanderer_42>     LocalServiceModule = "OpenSim.Services.SimulationService.dll:SimulationDataService"
2019-08-24 18:48 <misterblue> That is an odd logfile in that there are usually a bunch of lines before "STARTING OPENSIM" that are messages from OPENSIM MAIN, CONFIG, and STARTUP
2019-08-24 18:50 <misterblue> 
ACTION is hoping that this distribution didn't add stuff to 'OpenSim.exe.config'

2019-08-24 18:50 <misterblue> 'OpenSim.exe.config' has the logging configuration... they could have turned some stuff off
2019-08-24 18:51 <Wanderer_42> It reads configurationssettings and OpenSimDefaults.ini. Nothing more. Strange
2019-08-24 18:52 <Wanderer_42> I will comare the opensim-0.9.0.1.tar.gz-File with the zip-File. The latter works in Windows. Maybe there is a difference
2019-08-24 18:52 <misterblue> odd permissions on OpenSim.ini?
2019-08-24 18:53 <misterblue> by default, OpenSim reads 'OpenSimDefaults.ini', 'OpenSim.ini', and 'config/*.ini'
2019-08-24 18:53 <Wanderer_42> The permissions are ok
2019-08-24 18:53 <misterblue> OpenSim.ini has the architecture include which chooses standalone, grid, hypergrid, ...
2019-08-24 18:53 <Wanderer_42> yes. Its set to standalone
2019-08-24 18:54 <misterblue> I've gotta run.... hope you find the problem
2019-08-24 18:54 <Wanderer_42> Thank you. I try my best ;-)
2019-08-24 19:14 <Wanderer_42> Anyone reading my problem ?  I just started opensim.exe via doubleclick. At it runs. The problem above has tehrefore to do with the start via mono. Now it start via wine.
2019-08-24 19:14 <Wanderer_42> I try to start via mono in this way: mono /opensim0901/bin/OpenSim.exe -gui=true
2019-08-24 19:15 <Wanderer_42> Is this wrong ?
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2019-08-24 20:36 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-24 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-24 21:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #6457 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-24 21:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6457: SUCCESS in 4 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6457/
2019-08-24 21:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reduce even more the number of objects per UDP packet on object cache related pkts ( TEST )
2019-08-24 22:04 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-24 22:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #6458 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-24 22:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6458: SUCCESS in 4 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6458/
2019-08-24 22:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: revert last change and o fix the damm silly bug
2019-08-24 22:58 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-24 23:37 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-25 16:56 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-25 22:07 <osmantis> Bug #8581:04 Change in Console strings - some log messages not instantiated? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8581 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-08-25 22:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #6459 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-25 22:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6459: SUCCESS in 4 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6459/
2019-08-25 22:12 <osjenkins> melanie: Fix console outputting raw format strings
2019-08-26 02:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #6460 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-26 02:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6460: SUCCESS in 4 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6460/
2019-08-26 02:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few changes to db generic tables
2019-08-26 02:15 <Ubit> ... handlers, not the tables
2019-08-26 14:07 <Ai_Austin> Melanie, thanks for the fix to the console parameterization.  Works fine now.
2019-08-26 14:08 <Ai_Austin> Ubit, I have latest dev master in place for Openvue and my experimental Ailand grids, cleared my viewer caches and am watching for any glitches as I teleport about and test. Will report on mantis if I see anything.
2019-08-26 14:08 <Ubit> thx
2019-08-26 14:09 <Ubit> you where still seeing missing prims?
2019-08-26 14:09 <Ubit> ( terrain is another story )
2019-08-26 14:09 <Ai_Austin> None yet Ubit.
2019-08-26 14:10 <Ubit> i meant before this last changes
2019-08-26 14:11 <Ubit> and last changes are on returning to a region already known by viewer, ie having objects cache
2019-08-26 14:12 <Ai_Austin> Yes, I was seeing occasional prim (and sometimes mesh) drop out.  And eys, I am testing on repeat visits back to regions I have visited once, within one viewer session, and also across relogs.  All good at the moment. I will report i But to date no glitches spotted.f I see any glitch at all.
2019-08-26 14:12 <Ai_Austin> Was the fix an out by one error in one of the contents things?  I could only see a -12 changed to -13 or something like that in the commit diff
2019-08-26 14:13 <Ubit> near that ++count is now unconditional 
2019-08-26 14:13 <Ubit> and that if changed from < to > :)
2019-08-26 14:13 <Ai_Austin> Could that be the root of all the missing content problems we have had for some months now?
2019-08-26 14:13 <Ai_Austin> :-)
2019-08-26 14:14 <Ubit> well that code also changed meanwhile
2019-08-26 14:15 <Ubit> but yes could cause loss of a prim per every X prims uuids sent
2019-08-26 14:17 <Ai_Austin> Great.
2019-08-26 14:17 <Ai_Austin> I mean good you found it!
2019-08-26 14:17 <Ai_Austin> Ubit, if you have a moment, can you check Mantis 8470 for me? Its just about changing two of the .ini.example files to help people on NAT style home routers. It does not change anything by default, but the comments and use of a PrivURL (as Fred Beckhusen uses) will be a great help to those who hit the issue by clarifying what happens for uses of pr
2019-08-26 14:17 <Ai_Austin> ivate ports on internal networks.  I made the changes to the .ini files and put them as attachments to teh mantis and they are still valid as there have been no in between changes there.  But was not set up to offer a patch.  If you think the change is okay can you make those a commit for me to clear that issue?
2019-08-26 14:17 <Ubit> well part of it
2019-08-26 14:17 <Ubit> ohh that.. i keep forgetting to look, sorry
2019-08-26 14:18 <Ai_Austin> Its a simple and safe change unless you can see a problem
2019-08-26 14:18 <Ai_Austin> Just to clear things off my stack.
2019-08-26 14:19 <Ubit> :)
2019-08-26 14:19 <Ai_Austin> I hit the issue on my home setup using DreamGrid and it was a pain to understand the issue until I used the privURL for the PrivatePort
2019-08-26 14:19 <Ai_Austin> The it all worked great behind a NAT without exposing 8003 (the privatePort) through the firewall and port forwarding it at the router, which was needed otherwise!
2019-08-26 14:30 <Ubit> yeah guess it is usefull in some grid configs
2019-08-26 14:33 <Ai_Austin> I am noticing that all my osTeleportAfgent scripted objects are not working or showing their touch (hand) icon.  Could that relate to recent changes? I  kept the script state f maybe I needed to clear that with some changes.  I can try that.. but just wondered if that rang a bell?
2019-08-26 14:33 <Ai_Austin> Script reset had no effect
2019-08-26 14:35 <Ai_Austin> Whoo, editing the previously working script (just adding a space and removing it) and saving it I see errors "the given key was not in the dictionary".
2019-08-26 14:39 <Ai_Austin> Well, I just deleted the saved script folder and restarted the servers and it works fine.  So I will forget that one!
2019-08-27 10:53 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-27 17:11 <osmantis> Bug #8582:04 Looping sounds stop playing unless looking back at after a certain distance 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8582 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-08-27 17:51 <osmantis> Bug #8582:04 Looping sounds stop playing unless looking back at after a certain distance 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8582 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-27 17:53 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-27 18:01 <BillBlight> Someone tell Plugh's cats that it is meeting time ..
2019-08-27 18:04 <Ubit> Meow Meom dev outreach meow
2019-08-27 18:10 <osmantis> Bug #8582:04 Looping sounds stop playing unless looking back at after a certain distance 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8582 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-27 18:25 <osmantis> Bug #8583:04 Generate map command does not update regionMapTexture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8583 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-08-27 19:40 <osmantis> Bug #8583:04 Generate map command does not update regionMapTexture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8583 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-27 20:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #6461 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-27 20:19 <Ubit> ooops its ("");
2019-08-27 20:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6461: SUCCESS in 4 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6461/
2019-08-27 20:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8583: osGetRegionMapTexture(); now returns prim region map textureID, without any requests to grid
2019-08-27 20:21 <osmantis> Bug #8583:04 Generate map command does not update regionMapTexture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8583 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-27 20:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #6462 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-27 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #8583:04 Generate map command does not update regionMapTexture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8583 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-27 20:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6462: SUCCESS in 4 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6462/
2019-08-27 20:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8583: update region information on Grid on map regeneration
2019-08-27 20:30 <Ubit> oops we already had osGetMapTexture() going the same
2019-08-27 20:31 <osmantis> Bug #8583:04 Generate map command does not update regionMapTexture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8583 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-27 21:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #6463 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-27 21:33 <osmantis> Bug #8470:04 Proposal : Separating public and private hostnames in the configuration files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8470 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-27 21:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6463: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6463/
2019-08-27 21:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8470: add constant PrivURL. Thanks Ai Austin
2019-08-28 03:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #6464 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-28 03:37 <BillBlight> HAHA
2019-08-28 03:37 <Ubit> what? :p
2019-08-28 03:37 <BillBlight> working on something are we?
2019-08-28 03:37 <Ubit> aren't we always?
2019-08-28 03:37 <Ubit> coff coff coff
2019-08-28 03:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6464: SUCCESS in 4 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6464/
2019-08-28 03:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv
2019-08-28 03:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #6465 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-28 03:39 <Ubit> jenkis is been very nice.. strange
2019-08-28 03:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6465: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6465/
2019-08-28 03:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change appearance data sent to others
2019-08-28 03:43 <Ubit> still nice.. scary
2019-08-28 04:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #6466 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-28 04:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6466: SUCCESS in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6466/
2019-08-28 04:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a few lsl constants
2019-08-28 07:30 <osmantis> Bug #8583:04 Generate map command does not update regionMapTexture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8583 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-28 08:17 <Ubit> ok what failed Ai ?
2019-08-28 08:17 <Ubit> :)
2019-08-28 08:17 <Ai_Austin> :-)
2019-08-28 08:17 <Ubit> gm :)
2019-08-28 08:17 <Ai_Austin> Nothing.. all going great. Just installed the latest dev master on Openvue and AiLand grids.. and was pleased to see BoM constants beign added
2019-08-28 08:18 <Ubit> ohh shutup 
2019-08-28 08:18 <Ubit> lol
2019-08-28 08:18 <Ubit> you had to nothice what those are :)
2019-08-28 08:19 <Ai_Austin> Thx for putting in the PrivURL changes. I am a fan of BoM and think it will really improve mesh avatar setups... prevent lots of onion skin layers, etc.. and simplify skin/alpha HUD scripting.  Is a LOT needed to make it work in OpenSim do you think? 
2019-08-28 12:03 <Ubit> err answer is yes, some work and it may not be possible
2019-08-28 12:03 <Ubit> full BoM was we see in current viewers with it
2019-08-28 12:04 <Ubit> was? as!
2019-08-28 14:09 <Tampa> BoM?
2019-08-28 14:34 <Ubit> more like BOOOOOMMM
2019-08-28 15:27 <Tampa> What does that mean though?
2019-08-28 15:28 <Ubit> bill of materials
2019-08-28 15:28 <Ubit> for example
2019-08-28 15:28 <Ubit> :p
2019-08-28 15:29 <Tampa> Okay, what's that gotta do with opensim though?
2019-08-28 15:30 <Ubit> 2 early to say
2019-08-28 15:30 <Ubit> possible nothing.. lets see
2019-08-28 15:38 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-28 16:24 <BillBlight> haha, funny
2019-08-28 16:30 <BillBlight> Don't let the boy suffer ...
2019-08-28 16:30 <BillBlight> BoM, Bake on Mesh
2019-08-28 16:54 <Ubit> bake on what?  you mean baking cookies?
2019-08-28 17:37 <Tampa> Your deception level is not high enough lol
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2019-08-29 07:42 <Ubit> rats..
2019-08-29 07:43 <Ubit> ( in code, not on this channel.. well i hope )
2019-08-29 07:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #6467 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-29 07:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6467: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6467/
2019-08-29 07:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  update libomv with simpler Texture.GetBakesBytes
2019-08-29 08:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #6468 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-29 08:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6468: SUCCESS in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6468/
2019-08-29 08:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a test sim feature
2019-08-29 10:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #6469 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-29 10:22 <Ubit> this this may auto load on some asset services acording to settings, may not on others
2019-08-29 10:22 <Ubit> thing things..
2019-08-29 10:23 <Ubit> and this things
2019-08-29 10:23 <Ubit> :)
2019-08-29 10:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6469: SUCCESS in 4 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6469/
2019-08-29 10:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: added some texture assets. Thx Ai Austin
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2019-08-30 01:39 <osmantis> Bug #8582:04 Looping sounds stop playing unless looking back at after a certain distance 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8582 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-08-30 15:23 <Ai_Austin> Right, HUDs don't work the way I thought. I will not use HUDs with BoM texturing until I work that out and see if I still see the cloud problem without that.
2019-08-30 15:24 <Ai_Austin> Probably safest not to use the Bom HUD as well while things settle down Ubit to see if there si a real issue.  ui think the HUD when worn should NIOT locally make the underlying parts of the avatar transparent as that doesn't show to other users, so is conmfusing.
2019-08-30 22:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #6470 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2019-08-30 22:08 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: increase region protocol version to 0.8
2019-08-30 22:08 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: restore a texture asset removed by mistake
2019-08-31 04:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #6471 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2019-08-31 04:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update httpserver.dll reverting a change win does not seem to like
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2019-08-31 12:04 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-31 13:37 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-08-31 14:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #6472 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2019-08-31 14:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: XbakesModule: allow more textures, older versions will not see
2019-08-31 14:11 <osmantis> Bug #8584:04 File .../bin/assets/README.txt refers to directory names that have changed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8584 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-08-31 14:31 <osmantis> Bug #8585:04 [REST CLIENT] Resource not found (404): How to identify source of error message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8585 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-08-31 14:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #6473 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-08-31 14:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6473: SUCCESS in 4 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6473/
2019-08-31 14:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8585 change assets README
2019-08-31 14:53 <osmantis> Bug #8584:04 File .../bin/assets/README.txt refers to directory names that have changed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8584 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-08-31 14:53 <osmantis> Bug #8584:04 File .../bin/assets/README.txt refers to directory names that have changed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8584 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2019-08-31 14:54 <osmantis> Bug #8584:04 File .../bin/assets/README.txt refers to directory names that have changed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8584 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-08-31 14:54 <Ubit> that means my text sounded like en also ?
2019-08-31 19:48 <djphil> about OsTeleportObject, yhe wiki say "delay 0 seconds" but 0 seconds seems wrong ...
2019-08-31 19:49 <djphil> the*
2019-08-31 19:49 <djphil> he seems rather to be 1 second
2019-08-31 19:49 <Ubit> thats intensional script delay
2019-08-31 19:49 <Ubit> and it as none
2019-08-31 19:50 <Ubit> at least in same region
2019-08-31 19:51 <djphil> on the same region, I use osTeleportObject to move just 1 meter ... and I notice a delay
2019-08-31 19:52 <djphil> so the wiki should be X second and not 0 seconds ...
2019-08-31 19:52 <djphil> I am wrong ?
2019-08-31 19:52 <Ubit> there should be no delay
2019-08-31 19:52 <Ubit> but well memory.. :)
2019-08-31 19:54 <djphil> well with this exemple i can't clic quickly https://pastebin.com/be7R79wU
2019-08-31 19:54 <djphil> I have to wait +/- 1 second between each click
2019-08-31 19:55 <djphil> if it is not a "delay" then what is it?
2019-08-31 19:55 <djphil> Why do I have to wait 1 second +/-
2019-08-31 19:56 <Ubit>  return sog.TeleportObject(myid, targetPos, rotation, flags);
2019-08-31 19:56 <Ubit>             // a delay here may break vehicles
2019-08-31 19:56 <Ubit> dunno, but no delay
2019-08-31 19:57 <Ubit> errr
2019-08-31 19:57 <Ubit> if(Scene.InTeleportTargetsCoolDown
2019-08-31 19:57 <Ubit> coff coff
2019-08-31 19:57 <djphil> what that ???
2019-08-31 19:58 <Ubit> only 1 per sec
2019-08-31 19:58 <djphil> ha ok
2019-08-31 19:58 <djphil> only one clic by second is allowed for osTeleportObject
2019-08-31 19:58 <Ubit> yeap
2019-08-31 19:58 <Ubit> dont remember why
2019-08-31 19:59 <djphil> that a sort of "pause" then ...
2019-08-31 19:59 <Ubit> are not suposed to keep using at high rate
2019-08-31 19:59 <Ubit> first should not have any delay
2019-08-31 20:00 <Ubit> then 1 per sec max
2019-08-31 20:00 <Ubit> it does return a error
2019-08-31 20:00 <djphil> this is what is happening now
2019-08-31 20:00 <Ubit> -2 in this case
2019-08-31 20:01 <djphil> but it is not mentioned in the wiki that it's 1 click per second
2019-08-31 20:01 <Ubit> well it is our wiki :p
2019-08-31 20:02 <djphil> and if i put osTeleportObject in a loop what happens to it? is there also a "break" of 1 second on heach loop ?
2019-08-31 20:02 <djphil> it's not very clear
2019-08-31 20:03 <djphil> (for me)
2019-08-31 20:03 <BillBlight> There is a 1 second cooldown before you can use it a second time
2019-08-31 20:04 <djphil> what is the difference between cooldown and delay then?
2019-08-31 20:04 <BillBlight> because first time has no delay
2019-08-31 20:04 <djphil> strange lol
2019-08-31 20:04 <BillBlight> Not strange
2019-08-31 20:05 <BillBlight> since osteleporobject can take seated users and all objects, as well as move their momentum, it would be a pretty good simcrasher without a cooldown
2019-08-31 20:09 <djphil> Hmmm, I do not know how I can explain that in English on the wiki (lol)
2019-08-31 20:10 <djphil> Already in French it's hard to understand, so explain it
2019-08-31 20:10 <BillBlight> I'll add it
2019-08-31 20:11 <djphil> ok, no stress, ty
2019-08-31 20:11 <djphil> i have too notified OSTPOBJ_STOPATTARRGET  return compile error
2019-08-31 20:11 <djphil> all other constant work fine
2019-08-31 20:11 <BillBlight> ummm
2019-08-31 20:11 <djphil> yeah :s
2019-08-31 20:11 <BillBlight> it is already there, just not showing
2019-08-31 20:11 <djphil> if i remplace OSTPOBJ_STOPATTARRGET  by 1 then script compile
2019-08-31 20:12 <djphil> else no
2019-08-31 20:12 <djphil> i have see a patch here http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8146
2019-08-31 20:12 <djphil> maybee something is broken ...
2019-08-31 20:13 <BillBlight> the text was already there , just had a error in the syntax so was not showing
2019-08-31 20:14 <djphil> hehe :)
2019-08-31 20:14 <Ubit> public const int OSTPOBJ_STOPATTARGET   = 0x1;
2019-08-31 20:15 <djphil> 020x101 compile
2019-08-31 20:15 <djphil> OSTPOBJ_STOPATTARGE no
2019-08-31 20:17 <djphil> message is "OSTPOBJ_STOPATTARGE does not exist in the current context"
2019-08-31 20:23 <Ubit> mb bc it is OSTPOBJ_STOPATTARGET
2019-08-31 20:23 <Ubit>     touch_start(integer jj)
2019-08-31 20:23 <Ubit>     {
2019-08-31 20:23 <Ubit>        osTeleportObject(llGetKey(), llGetPos() - <1,0,0>, ZERO_ROTATION,OSTPOBJ_STOPATTARGET ); 
2019-08-31 20:23 <Ubit>     }
2019-08-31 20:24 <Ubit> (fixed the typo on wiki)
2019-08-31 20:25 <Ubit> and read the all wiki
2019-08-31 20:25 <Ubit> the cooldown is there
2019-08-31 20:26 <Ubit> or was just added?
2019-08-31 20:26 <djphil> i think Bill just added
2019-08-31 20:26 <Ubit> ok
2019-08-31 20:26 <Ubit> ty
2019-08-31 20:28 <djphil> ok so just a typo problem
2019-08-31 20:28 <djphil> thanks for the corrections / precisions
2019-08-31 20:32 <djphil> the wiki is much clearer now :)
2019-08-31 20:33 <Ubit> yeach Bill still had bleach from cleaning his office
2019-08-31 20:34 <djphil> everything he wrote is helpful
2019-08-31 20:34 <Ubit> ( so its cleaner also )
2019-08-31 20:35 <Ubit> adding the missing T on the keyword on yr script also :p
2019-08-31 20:35 <djphil> yeah sorry for that :p
2019-08-31 20:35 <Ubit> :)
2019-08-31 20:41 <djphil> ha yes, I also noticed that PARCEL_DETAILS_DWELL does not work with osSetParcelDetails ()
2019-08-31 20:42 <djphil> a parcel owner might want to reset the dwell of his parcel ...
2019-08-31 20:42 <Ubit> of course it does not.. dwell is read only Duhhh
2019-08-31 20:42 <Ubit> that bets the purpose of dwell
2019-08-31 20:42 <Ubit> ( if it has any )
2019-08-31 20:43 <Ubit> at SL ppl would love that.. no need to pay for campers
2019-08-31 20:43 <Ubit> duhhh
2019-08-31 20:44 <djphil> why could not it be reset ?
2019-08-31 20:46 <Ubit> i just gave a reason..
2019-08-31 20:47 <djphil> I did not understand very well :s
2019-08-31 21:03 <Tampa> Latest master giving me a weird error, user login to grid works, region sees login, but eventqueue says existing uuid despite no users on region
2019-08-31 21:03 <Tampa> Region thinks user already logged in, grid fails login after timeout
2019-08-31 21:24 <djphil> here, I added all bone constants for osTeleportObject here too http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OSSL_Constants  (I hope no mistake) :)
2019-08-31 21:24 <djphil> os*
2019-09-01 03:39 <djphil> Is it possible to extend osSetParcelMediaURL (string url) to set also MusicURL ?
2019-09-01 03:39 <djphil> ... or would it be better to have another one for that?
2019-09-01 03:40 <djphil> i ask because i see LlSetParcelMusicURL have 2 second delay ... and llParcelMediaCommandList too 2 seconds
2019-09-01 03:41 <djphil> but osSetParcelMediaURL is 0 second :)
2019-09-01 03:41 <djphil> so i hope is possible 0 second form Music too :p
2019-09-01 04:16 <BillBlight> I added osSetMusicURL to mine :P
2019-09-01 04:17 <djphil> heh, i can understand :)
2019-09-01 04:18 <BillBlight> the other issue with llSetParcelMusicURL, is it does not appear to work for "gods" ...
2019-09-01 04:19 <djphil> gods need that ?
2019-09-01 04:20 <BillBlight> Well, depends, I made a management hud so I did not have to open the parcel media if I needed to change it for some reason, and it would not work for grid owners if they were not the land owner
2019-09-01 04:23 <djphil> And you could not fix it?
2019-09-01 04:23 <djphil> Arfff osmantis is dead again :(
2019-09-01 04:24 <djphil> i just add a new mantis about worldmap colors but i don't see message on IRC
2019-09-01 04:24 <BillBlight> I could have fixed the LL function, but then it would not work as SL
2019-09-01 04:25 <djphil> You did not correct it on the OS  function?
2019-09-01 04:26 <djphil> It's the same for MediaURL too?
2019-09-01 04:27 <BillBlight> oh I did correct it on the os function that was the main reason I made the function
2019-09-01 04:27 <djphil> ha oki
2019-09-01 04:29 <djphil> for me the reason would be a script I'm doing right now.
2019-09-01 04:29 <djphil> It is able to subdivide the region and then set parcel details and also parcel music ... Of course if set parcel music does not sleep 2 seconds :p
2019-09-01 04:42 <BillBlight> djphil , I can't reproduce your map issue
2019-09-01 04:43 <djphil> maybee a Windows issue ?
2019-09-01 04:43 <djphil> i have just rez 8 simple prims
2019-09-01 04:43 <djphil> 4 with wood texture and 4 with blank texture
2019-09-01 04:44 <djphil> and restart sim
2019-09-01 04:44 <djphil> i have differeent color on viewer map, mini map and with get map textures function too
2019-09-01 04:45 <BillBlight> look at the mantis
2019-09-01 04:45 <djphil> kk
2019-09-01 04:45 <djphil> i see :s
2019-09-01 04:48 <BillBlight> https://i.gyazo.com/6ad700249c1a640a9e30aeea9b3b6686.png
2019-09-01 04:49 <djphil> it work for you
2019-09-01 04:49 <BillBlight> I guess it could be a windows issue, but that would be weird even for windows
2019-09-01 04:50 <BillBlight> well also , which map module are you using?  Warp3d or Map
2019-09-01 04:56 <djphil> i'm using HGWorldMapModule
2019-09-01 04:56 <BillBlight> ummm
2019-09-01 04:56 <BillBlight> no
2019-09-01 04:56 <djphil> MapImageModule = "Warp3DImageModule"
2019-09-01 04:56 <BillBlight> ok
2019-09-01 04:56 <BillBlight> same hre
2019-09-01 04:56 <BillBlight> here
2019-09-01 04:57 <djphil> maybee i found ... a config error
2019-09-01 05:11 <djphil> i found something
2019-09-01 05:11 <djphil> with WorldMapModule = "WorldMap" it work well
2019-09-01 05:12 <djphil> but NOT with MapImageModule = "Warp3DImageModule"
2019-09-01 05:12 <BillBlight> yet mine works fine with Warp3DImageModule, guess it is a windows bug
2019-09-01 05:13 <djphil> oops sorry i mean it dont work with WorldMapModule = "HGWorldMapModule"
2019-09-01 05:13 <djphil> the problem is with HGWorldMapModule
2019-09-01 05:15 <BillBlight> WorldMapModule = "HGWorldMap"
2019-09-01 05:15 <BillBlight> is what I am using
2019-09-01 05:15 <BillBlight> ummm I think maybe you have it wrong
2019-09-01 05:15 <djphil> ha ... i know too but HGWorldMap is the old name i think
2019-09-01 05:16 <djphil> yes maybee ... i try now
2019-09-01 05:16 <BillBlight>     WorldMapModule = "HGWorldMap" is what is in the current master configs
2019-09-01 05:17 <djphil> and "HGWorldMapModule" is removed or what ?
2019-09-01 05:17 <BillBlight> just change it to what the current is
2019-09-01 05:17 <djphil> yes
2019-09-01 05:18 <djphil> just i ask if is removed from source code
2019-09-01 05:18 <BillBlight> Honestly I don't remember that ever being the name , 
2019-09-01 05:18 <djphil> ok, HGWorldMap work fine
2019-09-01 05:18 <djphil> ok
2019-09-01 05:19 <djphil> i have always used "HGWorldMapModule" (lol)
2019-09-01 05:19 <djphil> cool mantis - 1
2019-09-01 05:19 <BillBlight> I just looked in the .82 configs it was     WorldMapModule = "HGWorldMap"
2019-09-01 05:23 <djphil> Well, I'm going to have a map that works well now :)
2019-09-01 05:23 <djphil> tank's for support ;)
2019-09-01 05:24 <BillBlight> yw
2019-09-01 05:26 <BillBlight> I'm not sure where you got that I went all the way back to .7 and it was 	WorldMapModule = "HGWorldMap"
2019-09-01 05:26 <djphil> well me too (lol)
2019-09-01 05:27 <djphil> i search on google but no result
2019-09-01 05:28 <BillBlight> HGWorldMapModule.cs is the name of the actual supporting module but not the name of it in use
2019-09-01 05:29 <djphil> Yes, maybe that's where the name comes from
2019-09-01 05:30 <djphil> I use it for a long time, i have wrong from a long time (lol)
2019-09-01 05:32 <djphil> It's wonderful, it has also solved another problem that I had seen ... a lag pixel.
2019-09-01 05:32 <djphil> Now it's perfect, more pixel shifted, great! Yes !!!
2019-09-01 05:33 <djphil> 2 problems solved at one time :)
2019-09-01 06:04 <djphil> Did you add vector position to llSetParcelMusicURL?
2019-09-01 06:04 <djphil> ping BillBlight
2019-09-01 06:34 <BillBlight> umm no
2019-09-01 06:34 <BillBlight> I did to my os function
2019-09-01 06:35 <djphil> :)
2019-09-01 08:45 <osmantis> Bug #8586:04 WorldMap does not generate the correct object color 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8586 ): has been REOPENED.
2019-09-01 12:43 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-01 13:14 <osmantis> Bug #8586:04 WorldMap does not generate the correct object color 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8586 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-01 13:34 <Ubit> whats that about map colors?
2019-09-01 13:58 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-01 16:57 <osmantis> Bug #8586:04 WorldMap does not generate the correct object color 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8586 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-01 17:05 <osmantis> Bug #8586:04 WorldMap does not generate the correct object color 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8586 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-09-01 17:23 <osmantis> Bug #8580:04 Teleport to a region in the same grid fails with "Error Contacting Grid". 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8580 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-01 17:26 <osmantis> Bug #8580:04 Teleport to a region in the same grid fails with "Error Contacting Grid". 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8580 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-01 17:42 <osmantis> Bug #8580:04 Teleport to a region in the same grid fails with "Error Contacting Grid". 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8580 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-09-01 22:43 <osmantis> Bug #8580:04 Teleport to a region in the same grid fails with "Error Contacting Grid". 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8580 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-02 07:06 <osmantis> Bug #8580:04 Teleport to a region in the same grid fails with "Error Contacting Grid". 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8580 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-02 09:42 <osmantis> Bug #8580:04 Teleport to a region in the same grid fails with "Error Contacting Grid". 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8580 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-02 14:49 <osmantis> Bug #8580:04 Teleport to a region in the same grid fails with "Error Contacting Grid". 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8580 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-02 15:10 <osmantis> Bug #8582:04 Looping sounds stop playing unless looking back at after a certain distance 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8582 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-02 17:20 <osmantis> Bug #8580:04 Teleport to a region in the same grid fails with "Error Contacting Grid". 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8580 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-02 17:23 <peglo> Because proper handling of <ctrl>-c in Linux doesnt work I tried to build with the _Mono preprocessor flag using msbuild "/p:DefineConstants=_MONO DEBUG TRACE". 
2019-09-02 17:24 <peglo> However, doing so, the build failed with ServicesServerBase.cs(65,29): error CS0234: The type or namespace name 'Unix' does not exist in the namespace 'Mono' (are you missing an assembly reference?) [/home/peter/opensim/OpenSim/Server/Base/OpenSim.Server.Base.csproj].
2019-09-02 17:24 <peglo> What is the correct way to build on Linux (Ubuntu 18.04) for correct signal handling in Linux with Mono 6.0?
2019-09-02 17:37 <osmantis> Bug #8580:04 Teleport to a region in the same grid fails with "Error Contacting Grid". 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8580 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-02 17:41 <Ubit> damm our box holiday is now monday?
2019-09-02 17:46 <peglo> ok, I could build after adding Mono.Posix assemblies and fixing a typo. However, this doesn't resolve the <ctrl>-c issue anyway. 
2019-09-02 17:49 <peglo> I'll further investigate into this and file a report to the mantis.
2019-09-02 21:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #6474 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-09-02 21:51 <Ubit> g
2019-09-02 21:51 <Ubit> oops
2019-09-02 21:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6474: FAILURE in 2 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6474/
2019-09-02 21:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8580: make some changes on regions find code. (only gatekeeper
2019-09-02 21:53 <Ubit> damm box still overloaded
2019-09-02 21:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #6475 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6473 2 days 7 hr ago)
2019-09-02 22:02 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-09-02 22:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6475: FIXED in 4 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6475/
2019-09-02 22:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file
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2019-09-03 01:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #6476 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-09-03 01:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6476: SUCCESS in 4 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6476/
2019-09-03 01:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a little more debug for now
2019-09-03 01:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #6477 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-09-03 01:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6477: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6477/
2019-09-03 01:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid a null ref
2019-09-03 08:49 <osmantis> Bug #8580:04 Teleport to a region in the same grid fails with "Error Contacting Grid". 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8580 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-03 09:29 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-03 12:15 <osmantis> Bug #8585:04 [REST CLIENT] Resource not found (404): How to identify source of error message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8585 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-03 12:19 <Wanderer_42> Hi. How can i attach a console to an standalone-instance, that is already running ?  Here runs Linux-Mint cinnamon 19.2. I started the instance via script and accidently instead to choose "execute in terminal" i choosed "execute".  I want to avoid to reset the machine. 
2019-09-03 12:21 <Tampa> If fg doesn't work then try jobs, if that fails your best option is to start OpenSim inside screen rather than in a terminal
2019-09-03 12:26 <Wanderer_42> Not sure, what you mean with "start inside screen". I start opensim via bash like "mono OpenSim.exe" or rather "mono OpenSim.exe -console=basic"
2019-09-03 12:36 <AliciaRaven> https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-use-linux-screen/
2019-09-03 12:36 <BillBlight> https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-use-linux-screen/
2019-09-03 12:36 <BillBlight> LOL
2019-09-03 12:36 <BillBlight> :P
2019-09-03 12:37 <AliciaRaven> snap
2019-09-03 12:37 <BillBlight> jinx
2019-09-03 12:37 <AliciaRaven> and that was the second google result
2019-09-03 12:40 <Wanderer_42> never heard about "linux-screen". ok, so it is not possible, to attach a console afterwards. This question is because of technical interest. That I have now an "hidden" instance is not a big deal.
2019-09-03 12:41 <AliciaRaven> how do u get by with out screen?
2019-09-03 12:41 <Tampa> terminals on desktop most likely
2019-09-03 12:41 <Wanderer_42> as I wrote above. I stzart it via bash and mono
2019-09-03 12:42 <Wanderer_42> I thougt, this is the usual way
2019-09-03 12:43 <Wanderer_42> Btw. I started just now with linux. Before that I used windows
2019-09-03 12:44 <Tampa> bash -c "screen -dmS mono OpenSim.exe" or something like that, you can go all fancy with it if you want
2019-09-03 12:44 <Tampa> There are plenty of tutorials out there for gameservers and other things you can adapt those start and stop scripts fairly easily
2019-09-03 12:45 <Wanderer_42> I will research that. Thanks for infos
2019-09-03 12:59 <osmantis> Bug #8585:04 [REST CLIENT] Resource not found (404): How to identify source of error message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8585 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-09-03 13:04 <osmantis> Bug #8585:04 [REST CLIENT] Resource not found (404): How to identify source of error message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8585 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-03 13:06 <osmantis> Bug #8585:04 [REST CLIENT] Resource not found (404): How to identify source of error message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8585 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-03 13:22 <osmantis> Bug #8585:04 [REST CLIENT] Resource not found (404): How to identify source of error message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8585 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-09-03 14:19 <Ubit> ajld6419
2019-09-03 14:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #6478 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-09-03 14:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6478: SUCCESS in 4 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6478/
2019-09-03 14:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8585: add a bit more debug messages
2019-09-03 14:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #6479 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-09-03 14:24 <osmantis> Bug #8585:04 [REST CLIENT] Resource not found (404): How to identify source of error message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8585 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-03 14:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6479: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6479/
2019-09-03 14:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid potencial null ref
2019-09-03 14:50 <osmantis> Bug #8585:04 [REST CLIENT] Resource not found (404): How to identify source of error message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8585 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-03 14:55 <osmantis> Bug #8581:04 Change in Console strings - some log messages not instantiated? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8581 ): has been REOPENED.
2019-09-03 15:46 <osmantis> Bug #8585:04 [REST CLIENT] Resource not found (404): How to identify source of error message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8585 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-03 18:02 <Plugh> 
ACTION thinks Ubit needs to have a cat that will remind him of the weekly meeting

2019-09-03 18:23 <AliciaRaven> maybe his cat was demanding fish causing his lateness
2019-09-03 18:50 <Ubit> my cats where btoh sleeping with me :p
2019-09-03 18:51 <Ubit> if one was here, bet she would try to go to the meeting not telling me
2019-09-03 20:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #6480 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-09-03 20:29 <osmantis> Bug #8585:04 [REST CLIENT] Resource not found (404): How to identify source of error message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8585 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-03 20:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6480: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6480/
2019-09-03 20:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix one of the new warp3d log messages
2019-09-03 20:38 <osmantis> Bug #8585:04 [REST CLIENT] Resource not found (404): How to identify source of error message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8585 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-03 20:39 <osmantis> Bug #8585:04 [REST CLIENT] Resource not found (404): How to identify source of error message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8585 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-04 07:08 <osmantis> Bug #8581:04 Change in Console strings - some log messages not instantiated? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8581 ): has been CLOSED
2019-09-04 08:22 <osmantis> Bug #8585:04 [REST CLIENT] Resource not found (404): How to identify source of error message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8585 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-04 08:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #6481 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-09-04 08:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6481: SUCCESS in 4 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6481/
2019-09-04 08:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix the fix
2019-09-04 10:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #6482 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-09-04 10:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6482: SUCCESS in 4 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6482/
2019-09-04 10:06 <osjenkins> melanie: Cache assets even in cases where the upload fails. That helps in asset upload debugging because the asset can be examined
2019-09-04 11:08 <osmantis> Bug #8581:04 Change in Console strings - some log messages not instantiated? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8581 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-04 11:26 <osmantis> Bug #8581:04 Change in Console strings - some log messages not instantiated? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8581 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-04 12:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #6483 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-09-04 13:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6483: SUCCESS in 4 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6483/
2019-09-04 13:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: don't wear vegetables
2019-09-04 13:26 <Tampa> That's awfully descriptive
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2019-09-04 22:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #6484 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-09-04 22:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6484: SUCCESS in 4 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6484/
2019-09-04 22:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add osSlerp()
2019-09-04 23:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #6485 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-09-04 23:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6485: SUCCESS in 4 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6485/
2019-09-04 23:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: go back to protocol 0.7, until 0.8 changes are ready
2019-09-05 18:44 <osmantis> Bug #7411:04 [USER MANAGEMENT MODULE]: Unable to parse home URL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7411 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-09-06 08:51 <ItsMeLenny> is it very active in here? or is there an opensim discord channel somewhere
2019-09-06 08:52 <ItsMeLenny> while im here though, how do i get the avatar count in a region, nothing in SL wiki seems to have the api for that
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2019-09-06 08:54 <djphil> you can try #opensim channel ItsMeLenny
2019-09-06 08:54 <djphil> and for avi count, try with osGetAgents, osGetAvatarList, osGetNpcList 
2019-09-06 08:54 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Category:OSSL_Functions
2019-09-06 08:57 <ItsMeLenny> djphil, im hoping for something thats useable on SL and not in game, i mean in terms of a client map
2019-09-06 09:37 <djphil> do you mean map of regions?
2019-09-06 09:41 <ItsMeLenny> when viewing the main map in game it shows dots as to how many avatars are in that sim, unsure if it can tell how many sims in each region unless one is in the region
2019-09-06 09:42 <ItsMeLenny> but the map online in the webbrowser doesnt contain that information
2019-09-06 09:42 <ItsMeLenny> which im wanting to get that number of avatars per sim, and per region if possible, but baby steps :P
2019-09-06 14:20 <djphil> To have the dots, you must know the positions of the avatars and draw the dots.
2019-09-06 14:20 <djphil> I did something like this with imagick and an inword script sends the position of the avatars. Otherwise you have to look for the avatar positions in the database
2019-09-06 14:20 <djphil> You can get a region image with service http://.../index.php?method=regionImage%3CUUID%3E
2019-09-06 14:22 <djphil> and add avatars points yourself :p
2019-09-06 14:25 <Wanderer_42> Hi
2019-09-06 14:25 <Wanderer_42> Because I have trouble with mysql atm, i use sqlite. And i have
2019-09-06 14:25 <Wanderer_42> here a region for standalone, that seems too big for sqlite. Could that
2019-09-06 14:25 <Wanderer_42> be ?  sqlite hangs after some time, when i quit after loading the oar.
2019-09-06 14:25 <Wanderer_42> Last message in console is: Persisting changed objects
2019-09-06 14:26 <Wanderer_42> First the OpenSim.db grows. But then it stopps growing, CPU is
2019-09-06 14:26 <Wanderer_42> almost at 50% for mono and the console still shows the message
2019-09-06 14:26 <Wanderer_42> "Persisting changed objects". After 2 hours i closed the console
2019-09-06 14:26 <Wanderer_42> window.
2019-09-06 14:26 <Wanderer_42> Has anyone an idea ?  Can i configure sqlite for such problems ?
2019-09-06 14:26 <Wanderer_42> My system: Linux-Mint-cinnamon 19.2  64-Bit 
2019-09-06 15:27 <AliciaRaven> sqlite is very basic and im pretty sure it will have problems with a large region load
2019-09-06 15:28 <AliciaRaven> it stores data in a single file on disk so if u have a file system that doesnt support large files u will hit a file size limit
2019-09-06 15:29 <AliciaRaven> on Fat32 that limit is 4GB
2019-09-06 15:37 <Wanderer_42> Here is linux mint, 64 Bit. Filesystem is ext4
2019-09-06 15:43 <AliciaRaven> file size ok, but sqlite is still basic, not reliable for a large region
2019-09-06 15:47 <Wanderer_42> So there is no configuration to solve that. Bad thing. I will switch as soon as possible to mysql.
2019-09-06 15:48 <AliciaRaven> sqlite is what it is, nothing to do with os, its just very basic, thats why its called "lite"
2019-09-06 15:51 <Wanderer_42> I see. I thought, sqlite is only slower than mysql. But i see now, it is really very basic.
2019-09-06 16:00 <Plugh> SQLite is very useful when you need a light weight, and generally small, database system for some (small) program. You might get away with using SQLite for a standalone instance of OS. For anything more than that SQLite is not your best choice.
2019-09-06 16:51 <Wanderer_42> Yes. As i wrote above, i have troubles with mysql. Normally i only work with mysql
2019-09-06 17:46 <Plugh> Wanderer_42: I didn't see any of the discussion before AliciaRaven said "sqlite is very basic..."
2019-09-06 17:49 <Wanderer_42> Plugh: No problem. Then you logged in, later. Mysql suddenly is on strike, after an update. Till I haven't fix it, i have to use sqlite
2019-09-06 17:50 <Plugh> Wanderer_42: I had a similar problem. I got an update that killed MySQL. It seemed like it was trying to switch from the community edition to a "regular" version. Took me a bit of fiddling around before I got it working again.
2019-09-06 17:50 <Plugh> BTW, I'm also on Mint 64-bit.
2019-09-06 17:52 <Wanderer_42> mysql says this:  Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock'
2019-09-06 17:53 <Wanderer_42> I tried several things. And in the net i see, many people have similiarly problems.
2019-09-06 18:16 <Plugh> I should have written down what I did to fix the problem.
2019-09-06 18:19 <Wanderer_42> I dont want use timeshift. But I copied all mysql-relevant data from the last timeshift-copy into the system. Problem still exists.
2019-09-06 19:07 <Tampa> That sounds like the socket is wrong aka wrong auth module for the connection you entered in the ini
2019-09-06 19:07 <Tampa> You either have to fix the auth plugin or create a user identified by password that can access the db
2019-09-06 19:07 <Tampa> Normally stackoverflow has like all the answers to such questions
2019-09-06 19:27 <Plugh> Timeshift is one of the reasons I'm still on 18.3 as I'm not sure I want it either.
2019-09-06 19:27 <Plugh> At one point I fully purged all MySQL packages then tried the re-install.
2019-09-06 19:28 <Plugh> "new" People are making the Linux environment more complex than it used to be for what seems to me like little benefit.
2019-09-06 19:35 <Wanderer_42> Here too. I deinstalled mysql and deleted afterwards some files manually. And then I installed again. No success. The good thing is, i learn about linux. I am a beginner and such problems help to understand better.
2019-09-06 19:45 <Tampa> apt-get purge mysql if you want to remove configs
2019-09-06 19:46 <Plugh> I did but it didn't help. I had to do some other messing about before I got it working again.
2019-09-06 19:46 <Plugh> It may just be that I made sure to re-install the community version of MySQL.
2019-09-06 19:47 <Tampa> The mysql data is saved along with the other databases so nuking the data directory should be all to fully remove it
2019-09-06 19:47 <Tampa> I suggest mariadb actually
2019-09-06 19:47 <Tampa> After install using a sudo account just sudo mysql
2019-09-06 19:47 <Plugh> I have a maridb install and phpmyadmin has some problems using it.
2019-09-06 19:47 <Tampa> Then use mysql;
2019-09-06 19:47 <Plugh> There is no way I'm going to nuke 13G of data in MySQL.
2019-09-06 19:47 <Tampa> and update the root account to identify by password
2019-09-06 19:48 <Tampa> phpmyadmin should have no issues with mariadb
2019-09-06 19:48 <Plugh> oh, that was it. It may have been an auth problem. MySQL wants to use something other than auth by password. 
2019-09-06 19:49 <Tampa> auth plugin is what that is, normally uses system credentials for login, if you want external access you need to switch to password auth
2019-09-06 19:49 <Tampa> but keep the server as localhost else and use ssh tunnel, don't expose mysql to the web
2019-09-06 20:11 <Wanderer_42> I use mariadb, too. It worked fine. And "suddenly" the problem occurs.
2019-09-06 20:25 <Plugh> Wanderer_42: IIRC, what I needed to do was to add "default_authentication_plugin = mysql_native_password" in to mysqld.cnf
2019-09-06 20:26 <Plugh> in the [mysqld] section.
2019-09-06 20:26 <Tampa> That's normally not needed if you edit the root account properly or add a privileged account
2019-09-06 20:26 <Plugh> The authentication system changed.
2019-09-06 20:27 <Plugh> Not normally but it was needed due to whatever change was made to MySQL.
2019-09-06 20:27 <Wanderer_42> Thanks. I will try that
2019-09-06 20:27 <Tampa> mysql and mariadb has a safe install script that will let you setup the database properly
2019-09-06 20:28 <Plugh> I tried running with the safe daemon but it didn't help.
2019-09-06 20:28 <Tampa> It's literally the first thing that comes up on a google search with a link to stackoverflow how to set this up properly
2019-09-06 20:28 <Plugh> It might if you use the right keyword. All I know is that the MySQL daemon wouldn't start.
2019-09-06 20:31 <Tampa> create user 'myuser'@'localhost' identified by 'password'; grant usage on *.* to 'myuser@'localhost'; flush privileges;
2019-09-06 20:31 <Tampa> It's literally that simple
2019-09-06 20:55 <Plugh> Tried and failed. Besides, already had a user with full perms and that user account wasn't working.
2019-09-06 20:56 <Plugh> I read something about what was changed in MySQL. It is something to do with trying to obsolete the old password type system in favour of something considered a bit more secure.
2019-09-06 20:57 <Plugh> Not a big deal to me as it is just a private database on my home computer.
2019-09-06 20:57 <Tampa> Setting identified by and setting a password means the users auth plugin is switched to password auth instead of system creds
2019-09-06 20:58 <Plugh> I think that required the database to be running in order to issue the commands and the problem was that MySQL wouldn't even start until I added that one line.
2019-09-06 20:58 <Plugh> holy cow. This day has gone by fast. An hour and a half before dinner. :P
2019-09-06 20:59 <Plugh> I need to go afk for a while.
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2019-09-07 00:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #6486 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-09-07 00:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6486: SUCCESS in 6 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6486/
2019-09-07 00:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a HG to local grid tp extra check
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2019-09-08 16:44 <Wanderer_42> Hi. How can I disable the repetitive statistics outputs in a standalone-console ?
2019-09-08 17:46 <osmantis> Bug #8587:04 Suitcase security broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8587 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2019-09-09 14:13 <Ubit> gezz avatar hover is such a crap
2019-09-09 14:14 <Ubit> why does that crap increase avatar size messing up physics?
2019-09-09 14:41 <Ubit> Size: <0.45, 0.6, -0.3422012>
2019-09-09 14:41 <Ubit> damm stupid broken viewers
2019-09-09 14:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #6487 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-09-09 14:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6487: SUCCESS in 4 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6487/
2019-09-09 14:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: disable AvatarHoverHeight useless and viewer side broken (without SSA)
2019-09-09 15:05 <Ubit> and that crap is stored at viewer
2019-09-09 15:05 <Ubit> but they send tit via user preferences, suposely to be stored
2019-09-10 11:22 <osmantis> Bug #8272:04 PGSQL Standalone: relation "estate_map" does not exist.. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8272 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-10 17:55 <BillBlight> 5 minute warning
2019-09-10 17:55 <BillBlight> or 3 minute
2019-09-10 17:59 <Ubit> did refreshed the drinks with new ones on the bar ?
2019-09-10 17:59 <Ubit> did you..
2019-09-10 18:00 <Ubit> and you forgot to tell the cat..
2019-09-10 18:02 <Ubit> meow meow daddy plugh meow meow outreach meow!!
2019-09-10 18:04 <Plugh> Thanks. I was in the middle of talking with a person for whom I'm doing some work. Didn't notice the time.
2019-09-11 05:50 <Tampa> Anyone got a link to armhf version or compile instructions for it?
2019-09-11 13:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #6488 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-09-11 13:04 <Ubit> happy..
2019-09-11 13:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6488: FAILURE in 2 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6488/
2019-09-11 13:06 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: extent supported number of avatar textures/bakes/wearables, tell viewers about it on lludp RegionHandShake; propagate agenthover; block teleports/crossings based on worn wearables and peer version;
2019-09-11 13:06 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  enable agent hover again, (it is still bad on most viewers for opensim
2019-09-11 13:06 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove a config option that controled a useless sim feature. note that at this point, and as normal on master, appearence/bakes etc may have a few more issues than before, as always thanks for your help testing it, and hapy clouds
2019-09-11 13:08 <Ubit> yeah expected fails
2019-09-11 14:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #6489 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6487 1 day 23 hr ago)
2019-09-11 14:12 <Ubit> oops
2019-09-11 14:12 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-09-11 14:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6489: FIXED in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6489/
2019-09-11 14:12 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: pesty warning
2019-09-11 14:13 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: take unit tests limited settings in consideration on setappearance
2019-09-11 14:15 <Ubit> damm seen a error, now can't repo it grrr
2019-09-11 14:21 <Ubit> OOPS
2019-09-11 14:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #6490 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-09-11 14:28 <Ubit> what hell
2019-09-11 14:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6490: SUCCESS in 4 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6490/
2019-09-11 14:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a bad typo
2019-09-11 14:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #6491 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-09-11 14:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6491: SUCCESS in 4 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6491/
2019-09-11 14:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix bad indexes math
2019-09-11 16:06 <osmantis> Bug #8588:04 avatars load half rig items assets refuse to rig or load full mesh stage 0.9.0 / 0.9.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8588 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-09-11 21:12 <osmantis> Bug #8588:04 avatars load half rig items assets refuse to rig or load full mesh stage 0.9.0 / 0.9.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8588 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-09-11 23:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #6492 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-09-11 23:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6492: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6492/
2019-09-11 23:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: allow particles scale max to be 7.96m, supported by protocol
2019-09-12 13:40 <osmantis> Bug #8588:04 avatars load half rig items assets refuse to rig or load full mesh stage 0.9.0 / 0.9.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8588 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-12 13:53 <osmantis> Bug #8588:04 avatars load half rig items assets refuse to rig or load full mesh stage 0.9.0 / 0.9.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8588 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-12 18:59 <osmantis> Bug #8588:04 avatars load half rig items assets refuse to rig or load full mesh stage 0.9.0 / 0.9.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8588 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-09-15 15:51 <Ubit> overload box, again
2019-09-15 15:57 <AliciaRaven> server might just be taking the day off, it is sunday :)
2019-09-15 16:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #6493 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-09-15 16:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6493: SUCCESS in 33 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6493/
2019-09-15 16:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix saving appearence to notecard, so they can work on older regions
2019-09-15 17:02 <Ubit> funny a deep c++ windows update needing full restart
2019-09-15 17:03 <Ubit> seems c++ jumps where not going to correct target
2019-09-15 17:03 <Ubit> ms is getting scary :P
2019-09-15 18:50 <Tampa> I have subbed to the .NET dev news thingy, frankly I am scared of version 5, if their newsletter has typos what will the code be like
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2019-09-17 17:56 <BillBlight> 
ACTION sends message to Plugh's cat to remind about the meeting, "Meow meow , meeting meow"

2019-09-17 17:56 <Ubit> :)
2019-09-17 17:58 <Plugh> Yup. I see the time. I'll be there in a couple of minutes.
2019-09-17 19:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #6494 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-09-17 19:45 <Ubit> and length
2019-09-17 19:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6494: SUCCESS in 4 min 36 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6494/
2019-09-17 19:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a extra lenght check
2019-09-18 00:54 <misterblue> to get around some CORS problems, I'm looking to add "Access-Control-Allow-Origin: *" to the XMLRPC request and the OPTIONS HTTP request response
2019-09-18 00:55 <misterblue> The only problem I can think of is someone pounding on the login request to guess passwords
2019-09-18 00:56 <misterblue> Can anyone else think of any problems?
2019-09-18 01:13 <Ubit> me just listeing to sily music
2019-09-18 01:14 <Ubit> like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcYhYO02f98
2019-09-18 02:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #6495 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-09-18 02:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6495: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6495/
2019-09-18 02:41 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Changes fix some CORS problems when making XMLRPC calls from
2019-09-18 02:41 <osjenkins> * misterblue: Update the Newtonsoft JSON manipulation DLL to latest version (v12.0.3-beta1).
2019-09-18 02:47 <Ubit> not sure what still uses newton
2019-09-18 02:48 <Ubit> guess xmlrpc :=
2019-09-18 02:48 <misterblue> not many people must be using XMLRPC or they are all doing it from PHP
2019-09-18 02:49 <misterblue> Newton is used by some addon-modules
2019-09-18 02:49 <Ubit> thats there mor for internal service not browsers
2019-09-18 02:49 <misterblue> but just updating the DLL is better than adding the NuGet dependency ;-)
2019-09-18 02:49 <Ubit> outch
2019-09-18 02:51 <misterblue> there are several versions of the login request... one is XMLRPC and there is another over WebSockets
2019-09-18 02:52 <Ubit> btw looked to websockets more ?
2019-09-18 02:55 <misterblue> ya... the code in OS is pretty old and doesn't always work (the hand coded module should be replaced with calls to the now standard library)
2019-09-18 02:55 <misterblue> it works pretty well, though
2019-09-18 02:56 <Ubit> ok
2019-09-18 02:57 <Ubit> there is odd code for it on the httpserver
2019-09-18 02:57 <Ubit> but guess its basicly "do not close me" code
2019-09-18 02:57 <misterblue> never know what you'll find googling around... LL released a JS version of the LLSD parser
2019-09-18 02:58 <misterblue> ya... it's a TCP connection that reads and writes
2019-09-18 02:58 <Ubit> guess they used it somewhere
2019-09-18 02:59 <misterblue> people had back burner projects... for all I know someone was thinking of some sort of browser interface
2019-09-18 03:38 <Ubit> well now i remember they had a list of llsd parsers
2019-09-18 03:38 <Ubit> libomv listed there as c# case, php etc
2019-09-18 03:38 <Ubit> a old list
2019-09-18 03:38 <Ubit> no idea if js was there
2019-09-18 04:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #6496 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-09-18 04:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6496: SUCCESS in 4 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6496/
2019-09-18 04:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid a null ref ( this should not be needed)
2019-09-18 16:59 <BillBlight> e
2019-09-18 17:00 <Ubit> f
2019-09-18 17:09 <AliciaRaven> g
2019-09-18 17:09 <BillBlight> LOL
2019-09-18 17:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #6497 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-09-18 17:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6497: SUCCESS in 4 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6497/
2019-09-18 17:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix wrong lludp message usage
2019-09-18 18:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #6498 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-09-18 18:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6498: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6498/
2019-09-18 18:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a missing return
2019-09-18 18:15 <Ubit> odd
2019-09-18 18:15 <Ubit> lf tells its protocol 7
2019-09-18 18:15 <Ubit> oops
2019-09-19 02:57 <Ubit> for those that missed it
2019-09-19 02:57 <Ubit> https://modemworld.me/2019/09/18/firestorm-the-future-of-opensim-support/
2019-09-19 02:57 <Ubit> https://www.firestormviewer.org/opensim-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/
2019-09-19 02:58 <Ubit> simple answer..
2019-09-19 02:58 <Ubit> any viewer claiming to suport opensim ( actually opensimulator)  MUST be comliant with its protocos and features
2019-09-19 02:59 <Ubit> .. protocols
2019-09-19 03:05 <Ubit> other than that, nothing really new...  just consquence of a original opensimulator team mistake, of not having a own viewer version, like Adam Frisby say on a blog somewhere
2019-09-19 03:05 <Ubit> said..
2019-09-19 03:06 <Ubit> and so surrender to the tendency of been just a poor sl "clone"
2019-09-19 12:44 <Tampa> What was Hippo then?
2019-09-19 13:00 <Tampa> All I read in those articles is a load of BS frankly
2019-09-19 13:00 <Tampa> It's the same old invalid arguments thrown around for years, they were not true then and sure as hell are not now
2019-09-19 13:01 <Tampa> They want a reference viewer, how about Dayturn then, that clearly shows it ain't rocket science to support OpenSim
2019-09-19 13:01 <Tampa> God this infuriates me, how can someone giving the finger to OpenSim for years claim to give a shit or understand what the project is about
2019-09-19 13:01 <Tampa> Certainly don't see them showing up to meetings, but when LL comes calling the sucking off can start stat
2019-09-19 13:01 <Tampa> grrr
2019-09-19 19:26 <Ubit> Dayturn is still way behind ( and its ugly :) )
2019-09-19 19:26 <Ubit> but getting better, lets see
2019-09-19 19:27 <Ubit> but no viewer team will force us to be just a poor sl clone
2019-09-19 19:28 <Ubit> giving up of  standalones, small and medium grids and HG
2019-09-19 19:30 <Ubit> and looking, nothing new or that..  jessica is telling almost the same since 2015
2019-09-19 19:31 <Ubit> most tpvs just want us to clone SL, so they don't need to do anything extra
2019-09-20 08:13 <osmantis> Bug #8366:04 Attached scripts lose all state on first hypergrid jump 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8366 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-20 10:36 <osmantis> Bug #8049:04 Scripted attachments stop working on first hypergrid jump 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8049 ): has been set as DUPLICATE OF issue 0008366.
2019-09-20 10:36 <osmantis> Bug #8366:04 Attached scripts lose all state on first hypergrid jump 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8366 ): The issue 0008049 has been set as DUPLICATE OF the following issue.
2019-09-20 10:38 <osmantis> Bug #8366:04 Attached scripts lose all state on first hypergrid jump 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8366 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-20 11:14 <osmantis> Bug #8366:04 Attached scripts lose all state on first hypergrid jump 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8366 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-20 11:16 <osmantis> Bug #8366:04 Attached scripts lose all state on first hypergrid jump 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8366 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-20 11:21 <osmantis> Bug #8366:04 Attached scripts lose all state on first hypergrid jump 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8366 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-20 11:50 <osmantis> Bug #8366:04 Attached scripts lose all state on first hypergrid jump 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8366 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-09-21 14:04 <djphil> An  idea why this error message ?
2019-09-21 14:04 <djphil> [LLCLIENTVIEW]: HandleMapItemRequest exception: The format of the input string is incorrect.
2019-09-21 14:05 <djphil> It appears when I open the map
2019-09-21 14:05 <djphil> Would it be related to the search module ... ? Hmmm ...
2019-09-21 14:06 <djphil> Or just an invalid mesh on the region ...
2019-09-21 14:26 <Tampa> Cannot find it in source so could be module
2019-09-21 14:27 <djphil> Mmm :s
2019-09-21 14:27 <Tampa> Line 12617 of LLClientView.cs has a debug string you can enable
2019-09-21 14:28 <Tampa> It's requesting some agent data and region handle, perhaps your region has special chars in name?
2019-09-21 14:29 <Tampa> Just uncomment that line, compile and try again, should spam you full of whatever is broken
2019-09-21 14:29 <Tampa> Alternatively you could put the string data into the exception itself
2019-09-21 14:30 <djphil> I will probably already tried to activate the debug
2019-09-21 14:33 <djphil> i see the debug is already actived on this file on master
2019-09-21 14:33 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=viewblob&p=opensim&h=7c2a8876048135ced9b73cff56204ddbc0dc7ddd&hb=d7bf623f577f794377685ec25ccc0a0f7435e619&f=OpenSim/Region/ClientStack/Linden/UDP/LLClientView.cs
2019-09-21 14:33 <Tampa> Just replace line 16629 with this: m_log.ErrorFormat("{0} HandleMapItemRequest exception: {1} | Full mirpk String: {2}", LogHeader, e.Message, mirpk.ToString());
2019-09-21 14:33 <Tampa> That should output the whole request only if it fails
2019-09-21 14:34 <djphil> line 16629 ... the file have only 15431 lines ^^
2019-09-21 14:40 <Tampa> Ok on core its 12629
2019-09-21 14:43 <djphil> on this file ? LLClientView.cs
2019-09-21 14:44 <djphil> line 12629 is a empty line ...
2019-09-21 14:48 <Tampa> Search for private bool HandleMapItemRequest its in there
2019-09-21 14:50 <djphil> I just added your line below the existing m_log line (12624) in the catch exception and recompile. I will see now if it gives more information
2019-09-21 14:52 <djphil> ok i get this error message in addition now
2019-09-21 14:52 <djphil> 16:51:21 - [LLCLIENTVIEW]: HandleMapItemRequest exception: Le format de la chaîne d'entrée est incorrect. | Full mirpk String: OpenMetaverse.Packets.MapItemRequestPacket
2019-09-21 15:23 <Tampa> You could remove the whole try catch and just let it do the handler on its own, then watch the stacktrace
2019-09-21 15:23 <Tampa> Not sure what to tell you though
2019-09-21 15:23 <Tampa> Would need to debug each thing it requests to figure out whats wrong
2019-09-21 15:25 <djphil> In this case maybe it would be better for me to create a mantis for this ?
2019-09-21 15:28 <Tampa> m_log.ErrorFormat("{0} {1} {2} {3} {4} {5} {6}", LogHeader, mirpk.AgentData.Flags, mirpk.AgentData.EstateID, mirpk.AgentData.Godlike, mirpk.RequestData.ItemType, mirpk.RequestData.RegionHandle);
2019-09-21 15:28 <Tampa> This may work to show all the parts it requests
2019-09-21 15:28 <Tampa> Or it fails to compile, either way gtg
2019-09-21 15:28 <djphil> lol
2019-09-21 15:28 <djphil> i try
2019-09-21 15:33 <djphil> compile proprely but error in rendering format ...
2019-09-21 15:33 <djphil> 17:32:32 - <log4net.Error>Exception during StringFormat: L'index (de base zéro) doit être supérieur ou égal à zéro et inférieur à la taille de la liste des arguments. <format>{0} {1} {2} {3} {4} {5} {6}</format><args>{[LLCLIENTVIEW]:, 2, 0, False, 2, 0}</args></log4net.Error>
2019-09-21 15:33 <djphil> Region (root) # log4net:WARN Exception while rendering format [{0} {1} {2} {3} {4} {5} {6}]ParamsArray args)
2019-09-21 15:33 <djphil> System.FormatException: L'index (de base zéro) doit être supérieur ou égal à zéro et inférieur à la taille de la liste des arguments.tring.Format(IFormatProvider provider, String format, Object[] args)
2019-09-21 15:33 <djphil>    à System.Text.StringBuilder.AppendFormatHelper(IFormatProvider provider, String format, ParamsArray args)
2019-09-21 15:33 <djphil>    à System.String.FormatHelper(IFormatProvider provider, String format, ParamsArray args)
2019-09-21 15:33 <djphil>    à System.String.Format(IFormatProvider provider, String format, Object[] args)
2019-09-21 15:33 <djphil>    à log4net.Util.SystemStringFormat.StringFormat(IFormatProvider provider, String format, Object[] args)
2019-09-21 15:33 <djphil> ouch :s
2019-09-21 15:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #6499 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-09-21 15:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6499: SUCCESS in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6499/
2019-09-21 15:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make Console Output(..) compatible with rest of code, again
2019-09-21 15:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #6500 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-09-21 16:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6500: SUCCESS in 4 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6500/
2019-09-21 16:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make Console Promt(..) compatible with rest of code, again
2019-09-21 16:36 <Tampa> tostring them then
2019-09-21 16:36 <Tampa> like in the debug
2019-09-21 16:53 <djphil> 01here ... https://pastebin.com/sxSPpDzH
2019-09-21 16:53 <djphil> 01This is with last master and the m_log from Tampa01
2019-09-21 16:57 <Bill_Blight> Those last two commits were to fix some of the console logging so it may now be a moot point
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2019-09-23 23:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #6501 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-09-23 23:29 <Ubit> damm
2019-09-23 23:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #6502 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-09-23 23:50 <Tampa> 0 errors under mono6 btw
2019-09-23 23:52 <Ubit> yeap here also
2019-09-23 23:52 <Ubit> but jenkins was dead
2019-09-23 23:52 <Ubit> osjenkis
2019-09-23 23:56 <Ubit> yeack and seems stuck again
2019-09-24 00:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6502: SUCCESS in 35 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6502/
2019-09-24 00:07 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix a HGsuitcase API
2019-09-24 00:07 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: do removed the old API function (replaced in 2016). Thanks Terry for finding this old Bug
2019-09-24 00:07 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: missing file
2019-09-24 00:08 <Ubit> 35min well guess better than crash
2019-09-24 12:42 <Tampa> mono 6.4 is rolled out
2019-09-24 14:03 <Tampa> ...and it builds without warning or error on it
2019-09-24 14:03 <Ubit> does it run? 
2019-09-24 14:03 <Ubit> :)
2019-09-24 14:05 <Ubit> well no more words for fs
2019-09-24 14:05 <Tampa> The bin is on the mirror if you wanna try it
2019-09-24 14:05 <Tampa> I can't say it does... wiki does not say how to setup the unit tests
2019-09-24 14:05 <Ubit> just both the boss and a dev spoke to me, telling i did overreacted..  whatever
2019-09-24 14:06 <Ubit> never the less that AS IS conditions will not be as such.. they kinda said
2019-09-24 14:06 <Ubit> the less?? a least!
2019-09-24 14:07 <Tampa> Their statements are horseshit imo
2019-09-24 14:08 <Ubit> yeap
2019-09-24 14:08 <Ubit> but well their side is really not easy
2019-09-24 14:09 <Ubit> only that AS IS, meaning releasing a viewer just c&p from ll, can't be
2019-09-24 14:10 <Ubit> sure users will just see it fail, but on same fails it can take region with it
2019-09-24 18:00 <Ubit> meow meow outreach MEOW!
2019-09-24 22:15 <Ubit> 
ACTION hides from Bill

2019-09-24 22:43 <BillBlight> You better hide ... and RUN
2019-09-24 22:44 <Ubit> run no.. you just don't run
2019-09-24 22:45 <Ubit> hmm ok we can run slloowwwwwwly
2019-09-24 22:45 <BillBlight> LOL
2019-09-24 22:45 <BillBlight> I think I'll rename it , UBROKEIT, now
2019-09-24 22:45 <BillBlight> :P
2019-09-24 22:46 <Ubit> guess who would run then... :p
2019-09-24 22:46 <BillBlight> HAHA
2019-09-24 23:14 <Ubit> i thik i don't need to hide from Dan
2019-09-24 23:20 <BillBlight> That may be the only person you don't need to hide from .. :P
2019-09-24 23:20 <Ubit> dunno he may want to he the "bad person"
2019-09-24 23:21 <Ubit> .. to be ..
2019-09-24 23:21 <Ubit> i may had ruined his reputation
2019-09-24 23:21 <Ubit> :)
2019-10-06 01:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #6503 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-06 01:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6503: SUCCESS in 4 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6503/
2019-10-06 01:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix ViewerAsset external url
2019-10-06 14:59 <osmantis> Bug #8580:04 Teleport to a region in the same grid fails with "Error Contacting Grid". 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8580 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-06 15:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #6504 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-06 15:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6504: SUCCESS in 20 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6504/
2019-10-06 15:39 <osjenkins> melanie: Stop replacing the host name with it's IP.
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2019-10-06 16:39 <osmantis> Bug #8593:04 Running an fsassets server in a second process leads to instability in both the grid and asset server.  crashing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8593 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-10-06 16:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #6505 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-06 16:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6505: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6505/
2019-10-06 16:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove useragentserviceconnector dns lookup also on ossl
2019-10-06 17:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #6506 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-06 17:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6506: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6506/
2019-10-06 17:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: explicitly remove useragentserviceconnector dns lookup, effectively removed on a previus commit. This should not be needed with required mono versions and proper configured DNS (that must honour short TTL needed by dynamic DNS ); add some uri validation
2019-10-06 18:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #6507 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-06 18:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6507: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6507/
2019-10-06 18:56 <osjenkins> * melanie: Fix an issue where parameter parsing could lead to an exception
2019-10-06 18:56 <osjenkins> * melanie: Remove a no longer used property that used ScopeID in an improper way
2019-10-06 22:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #6508 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-06 22:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6508: FAILURE in 1 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6508/
2019-10-06 22:26 <osjenkins> melanie: Introduce a way to send the grid's message kay, if one is used
2019-10-06 22:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #6509 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6507 4 hr 5 min ago)
2019-10-06 23:02 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-10-06 23:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6509: FIXED in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6509/
2019-10-06 23:02 <osjenkins> melanie: Fix build break
2019-10-07 12:30 <Tampa> djphil your request user key method is now broken, Ubit removed the method it used
2019-10-07 13:10 <djphil> Where ?
2019-10-07 13:10 <Tampa> UserAccount account = World.UserAccountService.GetUserAccount(World.RegionInfo.ScopeID, parts[0], parts[1]);
2019-10-07 13:10 <Tampa> That method is gone
2019-10-07 13:11 <Tampa> So the patch applies but fails to build
2019-10-07 13:12 <djphil> Where have you seen that I use this?
2019-10-07 13:14 <Tampa> You submitted the patch to mantis
2019-10-07 13:14 <Tampa> 8369
2019-10-07 13:15 <Tampa> I been using the patch in my testing builds, they started failing after Ubit removed the method... which I still don't get what for but whatever
2019-10-07 13:15 <Tampa> So the thing now needs rewriting to work again
2019-10-07 13:17 <djphil> Ok I see
2019-10-07 13:17 <djphil> but it's Mandarinka who has attached the patch
2019-10-07 13:18 <djphil> That's why I did not understand what you were saying
2019-10-07 13:45 <Tampa> Ah, well I guess I'll just reply to the mantis than in hope for a new patch :)
2019-10-07 13:47 <osmantis> Bug #8369:04 [PATCH] llRequestUserKey not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8369 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-07 14:18 <djphil> Yes, hopefully :)
2019-10-07 14:33 <osmantis> Bug #8369:04 [PATCH] llRequestUserKey not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8369 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-07 14:50 <osmantis> Bug #8369:04 [PATCH] llRequestUserKey not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8369 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-07 15:53 <osmantis> Bug #8369:04 [PATCH] llRequestUserKey not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8369 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-07 16:28 <djphil> Thank's :)
2019-10-07 21:58 <Tampa> My good deed for the year I guess lol Meantime it may have broken xmlrpc groups as well, not that I use that, but some may complain on mantis
2019-10-08 05:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #6510 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-10-08 05:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6510: SUCCESS in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6510/
2019-10-08 05:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update livomv
2019-10-08 08:53 <Ai_Austin> I just saw a new version of libomv that Ubit added into dev master... where do these changes come from folks?  Is this a separate repository to the old https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse which seems not to have been updated since 2018. 
2019-10-08 08:53 <Ubit> again?
2019-10-08 08:53 <Ubit> :p
2019-10-08 08:54 <Ubit> https://bitbucket.org/opensimulator/
2019-10-08 08:54 <Ubit> its there
2019-10-08 08:55 <Ai_Austin> Thanks Ubit… I like to track what is changing to try appropriate testing and was not sure what alters when we get new versions of these libraries. Cheers.
2019-10-08 08:58 <Ubit> :)
2019-10-08 10:30 <Tampa> "HGInventoryAccessModule configs not found. ProfileServerURI not set!" If things are named differently finding them is really hard, that's ProfileServiceURL 
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2019-10-08 18:01 <Ubit> meow ??
2019-10-08 19:42 <osmantis> Bug #8596:04 SSL Cert not existent or not applied for http://opensimulator.org 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8596 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-10-08 21:28 <osmantis> Bug #8596:04 SSL Cert not existent or not applied for http://opensimulator.org 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8596 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-10-09 10:06 <osmantis> Bug #8591:04 Console logging error, due to new formatting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8591 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-09 10:40 <osmantis> Bug #8591:04 Console logging error, due to new formatting 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8591 ): has been ACKNOWLEDGED.
2019-10-09 10:41 <Tampa> I have a kinda fix for that one, but it is really not pretty code
2019-10-09 13:25 <osmantis> Bug #8596:04 SSL Cert not existent or not applied for http://opensimulator.org 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8596 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-10-09 18:29 <osmantis> Bug #8596:04 SSL Cert not existent or not applied for http://opensimulator.org 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8596 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-10 19:48 <osmantis> Bug #8597:04 PGSQL:   Unable to restore  OAR backup made with mysql to PGSQL standalone 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8597 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-10-10 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #8597:04 PGSQL:   Unable to restore  OAR backup made with mysql to PGSQL standalone 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8597 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-10-10 23:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #6511 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-10 23:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6511: SUCCESS in 4 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6511/
2019-10-10 23:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add osResetAllScripts(LSL_Integer AllLinkset). use with care
2019-10-12 19:19 <osmantis> Bug #8597:04 PGSQL:   Unable to restore  OAR backup made with mysql to PGSQL standalone 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8597 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-13 09:12 <osmantis> Bug #8598:04 Search lists groups with 0 or 1 members 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8598 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-10-13 15:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #6512 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-13 15:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6512: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6512/
2019-10-13 15:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8598: filter dead groups from group search. honor querystart request. Viewers are very broken on this, seems protocol was made by someone with no idea about lludp
2019-10-13 17:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #6513 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-13 17:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6513: SUCCESS in 4 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6513/
2019-10-13 17:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: groups v2: remove wrong filters on DB search
2019-10-13 18:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #6514 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-13 18:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6514: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6514/
2019-10-13 18:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: viewers group search page size is 100 ( and not way to detect other value, so hardwired)
2019-10-14 10:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #6515 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-14 10:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6515: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6515/
2019-10-14 10:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: basic search: fix people search, add some caching
2019-10-14 11:14 <osmantis> Bug #8598:04 Search lists groups with 0 or 1 members 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8598 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-15 01:12 <Zontreck> hey. is there anyone here who can help with development of a client for opensim? it's a bot, and I'm currently using libopenmetaverse, is there a better library I should be using? I'm running into a problem where it is not getting object updates after the initial batch at login.
2019-10-15 01:14 <Ubit> radagast also uses libomv
2019-10-15 01:15 <Ubit> pcampbot ( on our sources) also
2019-10-15 01:15 <Ubit> you do need to get caps seeds and simfeatures 
2019-10-15 01:16 <Ubit> well thing region does timeout and send things anyway
2019-10-15 01:16 <Ubit> (0.91 )
2019-10-15 01:17 <Ubit> better use caps to get textures and meshes
2019-10-15 01:17 <Ubit> we may drop llupd on that also
2019-10-15 01:18 <Zontreck> I'm not really worried about textures or meshes. the bot is meant to automatically create an object and upload Lal scripts from a git url. just having trouble getting it to detect the prim it creates. it detects all other primitives at login but anything after that nada
2019-10-15 01:19 <Zontreck> I seriously hate auto correct... lsl*
2019-10-15 01:33 <Ubit> you should get back a full object update
2019-10-15 01:34 <Ubit> with the bot as owner.. and not necessary where you did ask it to rez :p
2019-10-15 01:37 <Zontreck> well.. I do get object updates immediate after login but after that no updates appear to come through. and I know of no other way to grab the ID of the newly created object 
2019-10-15 01:37 <Ubit> yeap no info..
2019-10-15 01:39 <Ubit> it will named Object
2019-10-15 01:39 <Ubit> :p
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2019-10-15 01:48 <Ubit> use the cap objectadd
2019-10-15 01:48 <Ubit> you will receive its local id
2019-10-15 02:02 <zontreck> Could you elaborate on using the cap objectadd? I don't see any way other than using the Network.RegisterCallback, and specifying ObjectAdd as the packet type. But the reply packet does not include a local ID, or anything i could work with to identify the prim.
2019-10-15 02:05 <Ubit> outch
2019-10-15 02:06 <Ubit> i only look to the other side of the wire :p
2019-10-15 02:06 <Ubit> you need to get caps urls from the seeds...
2019-10-15 02:07 <Ubit> the cap answer includes the local id, if sucess
2019-10-15 02:08 <Ubit>  responsedata["str_response_string"] = String.Format("<llsd><map><key>local_id</key>{0}</map></llsd>", ConvertUintToBytes(obj.LocalId));
2019-10-15 02:08 <Ubit> hmm
2019-10-15 02:09 <Ubit> ahh ok the uint xml spec is on ConvertUintToBytes
2019-10-15 02:10 <Ubit> and name is a lie  its ConvertUintToXMLstring
2019-10-15 02:10 <Ubit> details..
2019-10-15 02:11 <Ubit> so you will get a mess like 
2019-10-15 02:11 <Ubit> <llsd><map><key>local_id</key><binary encoding=\"base64\">KKKKKKKK</binary>
2019-10-15 02:12 <Ubit> with KKKKK  the uint bytes encoded as Base64
2019-10-15 02:12 <Ubit> (damm ll )
2019-10-15 02:12 <Ubit> big endian to mk more fun lol
2019-10-15 02:12 <zontreck> hm... There really needs to be a client lib event handler for object add..... 
2019-10-15 02:13 <Ubit> well thats just llsdXML
2019-10-15 02:14 <Ubit> oops forgot the last part /map /lsld thingies
2019-10-15 02:14 <Ubit> you may get errors of course
2019-10-15 02:15 <Ubit> like responsedata["int_response_code"] = 400
2019-10-15 02:16 <Ubit> responsedata["str_response_string"] = "Has ObjectData key, but data not in expected format";
2019-10-15 05:47 <zontreck> well.. whenever someone has time to reply and knows how to detect new prims added using the AddPrim function in ObjectManager, please ping me. I just can't figure out how to get the ID of the prim i create using the bot programatically. I have the ObjectUpdate signal hooked up, as well as the ObjectProperties signal. But i'm not seeing new prims
2019-10-15 05:47 <zontreck> created by the client (Bot) or by my avatar. It finds the new prims that were created just fine as long as the bot restarts after the prim has been created, but this isn't ideal.. Having it restart the bot everytime just to find the target prim. I did set up a console log on the object update and it does receive signals but never of new prims for
2019-10-15 05:47 <zontreck> some reason. Any help i guess would be appreciated.. I read through example source code on the git regarding clients and object handling and mine is very similar to that code in structure so i'm not sure why it is not getting the right updates. 
2019-10-15 17:53 <BillBlight> meow 5 minutes meow
2019-10-15 17:59 <Ubit> :)
2019-10-15 21:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #6516 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-15 22:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6516: SUCCESS in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6516/
2019-10-15 22:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change coments on osslEnable.ini and remove list of functions always suported;
2019-10-15 23:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #6517 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-15 23:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6517: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6517/
2019-10-15 23:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add OSSL option PermissionErrortoOwner (true or false). if true ossl functions permission errors will only be sent to prim owner, defaul false: send all around
2019-10-15 23:18 <Ubit> tttt tttt defaulTTTT
2019-10-16 11:19 <Ai_Austin> Updating to the latest dev master, using the default osslEnable.ini with no other changes on my end.. I am getting a whole stream of ossl errors in the viewer script console and the OpenSim.exe console for the region...
2019-10-16 11:19 <Ai_Austin> OSSL Permission Error: osGetRegionStats disabled in region configuration(script: Region Stats event: timer 
2019-10-16 11:20 <Ai_Austin> No changes and I am using default unchanged osslEnable.ini
2019-10-16 11:24 <Ubit> well then just wait for next :p
2019-10-16 11:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #6518 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-16 11:24 <Ubit> ( think i had a but on thread level check also)
2019-10-16 11:25 <Ubit> well but that was not that error message
2019-10-16 11:27 <Ai_Austin> Okay... shall I test the new build? .. I saw things like
2019-10-16 11:27 <Ai_Austin> [04:12] OSSL Permission Error: osGetRegionStats disabled in region configuration(script: Region Stats event: timer primID:66c98008-4531-46b0-9b9f-6c2df30e77c4 at <109, 143, 28.75>)
2019-10-16 11:27 <Ai_Austin> [04:12] OSSL Permission Error: osSetDynamicTextureData disabled in region configuration(script: GraffitiBoard event: listen primID:2859fea8-a49b-46ca-bcdd-1363bc19f751 at <114, 148, 30>)
2019-10-16 11:28 <Ubit> yeah a issue somewhere
2019-10-16 11:28 <Ubit> well last commit messes will all that again
2019-10-16 11:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6518: SUCCESS in 4 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6518/
2019-10-16 11:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change OSSL functions allow control code. Behavior should stat pretty much the same. Some help testing, please
2019-10-16 11:29 <Ai_Austin> Okay, I will hold off for now. Will test when you think its stable Ubit.
2019-10-16 11:29 <Ubit> well i need testing now lol
2019-10-16 11:30 <Ai_Austin> I was using 1138.. current dev master is 1139
2019-10-16 11:30 <Ai_Austin> I like the serial numbers rather than those all over the place hash codes :-)
2019-10-16 11:30 <Ubit> and opensim Stable?? Sacrilege!!!!
2019-10-16 11:30 <Ai_Austin> We still label  the downloads with 0.9.0.1 .. I keep forgetting why that can't be properly set to 0.9.1.0.
2019-10-16 11:31 <Ubit> thats viewgit thing
2019-10-16 11:31 <Ai_Austin> So last commit would download from opensimulator.org/viewgit as opensim-0.9.0.1-1139-g0e3f24a.zip
2019-10-16 11:32 <Ubit> can you test this one to see if spam is there?
2019-10-16 11:32 <Ai_Austin> who can change that Ubit?  is it just Melanie?
2019-10-16 11:32 <Ubit> its a tag thing
2019-10-16 11:33 <Ai_Austin> okay. you want me to test 11389 as that should fix the ossl errors I am getting?  I had reverted to an earlier version.
2019-10-16 11:33 <Ai_Austin> 1139 I meant!!
2019-10-16 11:33 <Ubit> well ive no idea why you got those errors, unless ive a bad typo on the ini file
2019-10-16 11:34 <Ai_Austin> okay.. updating one of my servers that uses default osslEnable.ini now
2019-10-16 11:36 <Ubit> errr if you replaced the osslEnable.ini it may not match the needs for that region
2019-10-16 11:37 <Ubit> well Allow_osSetDynamicTextureData =       ${OSSL|osslParcelOG}ESTATE_MANAGER,ESTATE_OWNER should work ??
2019-10-16 11:40 <osmantis> Bug #8599:04 Script Errors after the latest GIT Pull 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8599 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-16 11:40 <Ai_Austin> No, I was using the default osslEnable.ini (unchanged) on the regions I tested.
2019-10-16 11:40 <Ai_Austin> I think its working now with latest dev master. I am not getting my script errors.
2019-10-16 11:41 <osmantis> Bug #8599:04 Script Errors after the latest GIT Pull 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8599 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-16 11:44 <osmantis> Bug #8599:04 Script Errors after the latest GIT Pull 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8599 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-16 11:53 <Ai_Austin> Nope.. something still wriong. NPCs not starting
2019-10-16 11:53 <Ubit> bahh mini did
2019-10-16 11:53 <Ubit> mine
2019-10-16 11:53 <osmantis> Bug #8599:04 Script Errors after the latest GIT Pull 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8599 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-16 11:54 <osmantis> Bug #8599:04 Script Errors after the latest GIT Pull 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8599 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-16 11:54 <Ubit> well now Monamusa says it fixed it
2019-10-16 11:55 <osmantis> Bug #8599:04 Script Errors after the latest GIT Pull 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8599 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-10-16 11:57 <Ubit> you still have errors??
2019-10-16 11:59 <Ai_Austin> No errors.. I just cannot see any NPCs on regions.  they normally autostart.  I am exploring.  maybe the glitch somehow put them in a broken state. I wil reset the NOVC scripts
2019-10-16 11:59 <Ai_Austin> *NPC
2019-10-16 12:00 <Ai_Austin> I see no script errors or console errors reported. 
2019-10-16 12:00 <Ubit> log should show premission error
2019-10-16 12:01 <Ai_Austin> No.  And a reset of the NPC scriptsd worked.  I think using the previous commit broke the state in some way.
2019-10-16 12:02 <Ai_Austin> working now after I reset NPOC scripts in the region
2019-10-16 12:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #6519 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-16 12:06 <Ubit> now shows 13:02:57 - [OSSLENABLE]: error parsing line Allow_osSetTerrainHeight = ESTATE_MANAGER,ESTATE_OWNER,jjj
2019-10-16 12:09 <Ubit> guess all scripts need reset with this change
2019-10-16 12:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6519: SUCCESS in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6519/
2019-10-16 12:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make OSSL parsing error warning more clear
2019-10-16 12:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #6520 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-16 12:43 <Ubit> 
ACTION runs before mantis flood

2019-10-16 12:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6520: SUCCESS in 4 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6520/
2019-10-16 12:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: OSSL: stop reading configuration file on every script start.
2019-10-16 12:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #6521 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-16 12:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6521: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6521/
2019-10-16 12:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: OSSL: threading issue
2019-10-16 13:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #6522 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-16 13:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6522: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6522/
2019-10-16 13:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: typo
2019-10-16 13:25 <Ubit> ok what is broken Ai ?
2019-10-16 13:27 <Ai_Austin>   no - just checking back in to see what is going on.  I updated to very latest dev master where the little typo was corrected and all appears to be working fine:-) 
2019-10-16 13:28 <Ubit> :)
2019-10-16 13:29 <Ai_Austin> The only issue I had was that when using the broken 1138 version it seemed to have killed off NPCs. A reset of those and as far a I can tell its working fine.  If someone did not use the broken version it will all be good.  I was able to go from 1132 (10-Oct-2019)  to latest dev master without the NPCs getting broken 11
2019-10-16 13:29 <Ai_Austin> thx
2019-10-16 13:30 <Ai_Austin> Openvue and Ailand grids mow on latest dev master, as is the RuthAndRoth region on OSGrid
2019-10-16 13:30 <Ubit> well they day is young.. lets see mantins :)
2019-10-16 13:30 <Ubit> mantis
2019-10-16 13:30 <Ai_Austin> indeed :-)
2019-10-16 13:31 <Ai_Austin> Can we press whoever can add tags to viewgit to change the version tag from the wrong 0.9.0.1 to 0.9.1.0?  
2019-10-16 13:31 <Ubit> you don't forget that tag thing :)
2019-10-16 13:32 <Ai_Austin> I have to explain it all the time when using the download. 
2019-10-16 13:32 <Ai_Austin> i.e. it says 0.9.0.1 but its NOT!
2019-10-16 13:33 <Ai_Austin> I know I have mentioned this before, but I really think it would be good to set a version soon as a RC and then get it out as stable.. tha t will help us persuade people its a good version to go to and encourage optional module folks to do their update.. like Diva Wifi
2019-10-16 13:34 <Ai_Austin> Currently Diva Wifi needs a few edits to make it work with dev master
2019-10-16 13:34 <Ai_Austin> dur to .net changes and a minor other thing
2019-10-16 13:34 <Ai_Austin> *due
2019-10-16 13:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #6523 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-16 13:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6523: SUCCESS in 4 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6523/
2019-10-16 13:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor text change
2019-10-16 13:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #6524 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-16 13:55 <Ubit> grrrr
2019-10-16 13:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6524: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6524/
2019-10-16 13:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor text change
2019-10-16 14:19 <Ai_Austin> I saw the tag "0.9.1.0Dev" added to the last but one commit Ubit. Did you add that.  It ghas not altered the string buuuild up for the downloads - which still is opensim-0.9.0.1-1145-g1a21ab1.zip
2019-10-16 14:19 <Ubit> yes noticed that
2019-10-16 14:19 <Ai_Austin> opensim-version-gshorthash.type
2019-10-16 14:20 <Ai_Austin> I think melanie or Diva have altered this in the past to make the file names work fine
2019-10-16 14:21 <Ai_Austin> on that last readme.md commit.  for uniformity you might want to add a space before the Linux copy of "See the "Configuring OpenSim" section"e 
2019-10-16 14:21 <Ai_Austin> There is a space before the command prompt one
2019-10-16 14:22 <Ai_Austin> What makes you think I am a professional code tester :-)
2019-10-16 14:23 <Ubit> not beening one makes you find odd things :p
2019-10-16 14:23 <Ai_Austin> (y) 
2019-10-16 14:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #6525 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-16 14:48 <Ai_Austin> tag change now seems to associate with the download file name.. opensim-0.9.1.0Dev.zip
2019-10-16 14:48 <Ubit> see now
2019-10-16 14:49 <Ai_Austin> BUT... unfortunately the serial number (like 1148) and the short form hash of the commit have gone. Those are very useful indeed when reporting mantis issues.  No version numbers or serial codes will cause much confusion.  can those be added back? 
2019-10-16 14:49 <Ubit> see now :p
2019-10-16 14:50 <Ai_Austin> okay.   - and we are back to serial number "1"  hehe.  no problem that. thx
2019-10-16 14:50 <Ai_Austin> last commit is now downloaded as opensim-0.9.1.0Dev-1-g96553ec.zip
2019-10-16 14:50 <Ai_Austin> any reason the "g" has to be there.  Melanie did explain it to me once
2019-10-16 14:51 <Ubit> aks her again
2019-10-16 14:51 <Ubit> lol
2019-10-16 14:51 <Ubit> ask..
2019-10-16 14:51 <Ubit> :)
2019-10-16 14:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6525: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6525/
2019-10-16 14:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor text change
2019-10-16 16:10 <djphil> Create today @ https://ibb.co/GxqNMjn :p
2019-10-16 19:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #6526 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-16 19:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6526: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6526/
2019-10-16 19:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix some texts init
2019-10-16 19:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #6527 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-16 19:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6527: SUCCESS in 4 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6527/
2019-10-16 19:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: tests: windows does not have 1ms time resolution
2019-10-17 08:58 <osmantis> Bug #8600:04 [LLCLIENTVIEW]: HandleMapItemRequest exception 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8600 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-10-17 09:04 <djphil> @Ubit : Ha, AiAustin has the same error message as me when he displays the map. Hehe I'm not quite crazy :p
2019-10-17 09:05 <Tampa> No one said you were lol In the grand scheme of things we all is crazy
2019-10-17 09:06 <djphil> Ho, I would not allow myself to say that :o
2019-10-17 09:07 <djphil> I am glad someone has been able to get this error too. Now I am no longer the only one in the misfortune.
2019-10-17 09:10 <osmantis> Bug #8600:04 [LLCLIENTVIEW]: HandleMapItemRequest exception 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8600 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-10-17 09:16 <osmantis> Bug #8586:04 WorldMap does not generate the correct object color 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8586 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2019-10-17 15:29 <osmantis> Bug #8601:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] add a new on_error event 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8601 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-10-17 15:42 <osmantis> Bug #8601:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] add a new on_error event 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8601 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-17 15:51 <osmantis> Bug #8601:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] add a new on_error event 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8601 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-17 18:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #6528 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-17 18:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6528: SUCCESS in 4 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6528/
2019-10-17 18:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Yengine make float.tostring culture invariant
2019-10-17 20:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #6529 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-17 20:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6529: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6529/
2019-10-17 20:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Xengine: Error on division by Zero. Yengine will take a lot more work. If your script gets killed by this, don't bother us, your script is just BAD
2019-10-17 21:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #6530 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-17 21:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6530: SUCCESS in 4 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6530/
2019-10-17 21:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: simplify last code a bit
2019-10-17 22:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #6531 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-17 22:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6531: SUCCESS in 4 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6531/
2019-10-17 22:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add LSL_Integer osIsNotValidNumber(LSL_Float v)
2019-10-18 08:49 <djphil> OpenStorm is no longer available?
2019-10-18 09:29 <osmantis> Bug #8601:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] add a new on_error event 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8601 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-18 09:49 <osmantis> Bug #8601:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] add a new on_error event 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8601 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-18 10:37 <fredicm237> Hello ... please do not know how to corigate this error OpenSim.Server.Base.ServerUtils when launches robust on my server in production ... yet locally everything works well
2019-10-18 13:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #6532 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-18 13:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6532: SUCCESS in 4 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6532/
2019-10-18 13:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Yengine: Also error on division by Zero
2019-10-18 14:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #6533 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-18 14:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6533: SUCCESS in 4 min 36 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6533/
2019-10-18 14:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Xengine: more on division by Zero
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2019-10-19 09:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #6534 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-19 09:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6534: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6534/
2019-10-19 09:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change osSetDynamicTextureURL(Blend) to ThreatLevel.VeryHigh,ESTATE_MANAGER,ESTATE_OWNER
2019-10-19 09:42 <djphil> why only Allow_osSetDynamicTextureURL and Allow_osSetDynamicTextureURLBlendFace to very high ? Why not Allow_osSetDynamicTextureURLBlend too ?
2019-10-19 09:42 <djphil> i see that on osslEnable.ini ...
2019-10-19 10:41 <Ubit> 'URL' is the keyword on that
2019-10-19 10:42 <Ubit> hmm think i moved both
2019-10-19 10:42 <djphil> seems no ...
2019-10-19 10:42 <djphil> i see only 2 with TL VH
2019-10-19 10:44 <Ubit> yeack
2019-10-19 10:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #6535 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-19 10:51 <djphil> yw :) PS: Wiki is up to date
2019-10-19 10:52 <Ubit> partially :p
2019-10-19 10:52 <djphil> give me 5'
2019-10-19 10:52 <Ubit> i removed parcel from the default
2019-10-19 10:54 <djphil> ok i see, i will fix that :)
2019-10-19 10:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6535: SUCCESS in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6535/
2019-10-19 10:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: same for osSetDynamicTextureURLBlendFace(). thx djphil
2019-10-19 10:59 <djphil> done
2019-10-19 12:18 <djphil> i can't see where i can set the web profile url in Robust.ini ... and i forget where is it and the valid syntax. Anyone know ?
2019-10-19 12:30 <dan_banner> SearchURL?
2019-10-19 12:31 <djphil> Hmmm i think that for search
2019-10-19 12:31 <djphil> i talk about WebProfile
2019-10-19 12:32 <djphil> if a valid web profile is provided, the viewer show it
2019-10-19 12:32 <djphil> you see
2019-10-19 12:34 <djphil> On Osgrid I think it is properly configured
2019-10-19 12:35 <djphil> The url for OSG is http://my.osgrid.org/?name=...
2019-10-19 12:35 <djphil> Same somewhere on Robust.ini ;)
2019-10-19 12:38 <djphil> or maybee into GridCommon.ini ... and StandaloneCommon.ini
2019-10-19 12:38 <djphil> arfff why i forget ALL :(
2019-10-19 14:14 <osmantis> Bug #8602:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetProfileServerURI 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8602 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2019-10-19 14:33 <osmantis> Bug #8602:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetProfileServerURI 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8602 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-19 14:36 <osmantis> Bug #8602:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetProfileServerURI 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8602 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-10-19 14:39 <osmantis> Bug #8602:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetProfileServerURI 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8602 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-10-19 14:40 <djphil> It would make a beautiful inworld profile panel :)
2019-10-19 14:48 <osmantis> Bug #8602:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetProfileServerURI 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8602 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-19 14:51 <osmantis> Bug #8602:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetProfileServerURI 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8602 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-10-19 15:05 <osmantis> Bug #8602:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetProfileServerURI 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8602 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-19 15:08 <osmantis> Bug #8602:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetProfileServerURI 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8602 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2019-10-19 15:08 <djphil> Security breach ...
2019-10-19 15:09 <Ubit> just read and think
2019-10-19 15:09 <djphil> and fix ...
2019-10-19 15:10 <Ubit> "you are asking to expose region<->grid URLs corresponding to protocols that may change. "
2019-10-19 15:10 <Ubit> MAY CHANGE
2019-10-19 15:10 <Ubit> damm
2019-10-19 15:10 <Ubit> just read...
2019-10-19 15:10 <djphil> Haaaaa
2019-10-19 15:11 <Ubit> im not goinf to invite all scripters to use something NOT designed for that
2019-10-19 15:12 <djphil> That i can understand
2019-10-19 15:13 <djphil> i just found this and enjoyed being able to get profile picture uuid's that way
2019-10-19 15:15 <Ubit> fine.. enjoy while it works
2019-10-19 15:15 <djphil> https://ibb.co/DVFBLTL
2019-10-19 15:16 <djphil> yeah :)
2019-10-19 17:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #6536 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-19 17:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6536: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6536/
2019-10-19 17:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a few lsl constants
2019-10-19 17:11 <djphil> Wiki uptodate @ http://opensimulator.org/wiki/LSL_Status/Constants
2019-10-19 17:12 <Ubit> ty
2019-10-19 17:12 <djphil> yw
2019-10-19 18:52 <osmantis> Bug #8602:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetProfileServerURI 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8602 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-19 18:52 <djphil> True :)
2019-10-19 18:57 <djphil> It would probably be safer to get some additional profile information with some new OSSL features. This information is not private as it is already visible with the viewer.
2019-10-19 18:59 <BillBlight> Part of the issues with it would be , it would have to know whic profile system you were using, V2, OpenProfile, Jopensim, or a myriad of other custom profile systems that are out there ..
2019-10-19 19:00 <BillBlight> And as was said, HG or NON-HG
2019-10-19 19:01 <djphil> already for a grid no HG it would be nice to have more information of accessible profile with ossl function
2019-10-19 19:04 <djphil> You know we use php to get profile picture uuid. With ossl it would be so much simpler ... as we do not have an API like SL
2019-10-19 19:09 <djphil> for NO-HG, I think of something like this: list properties = osGetAvatarProperties (userID);
2019-10-19 19:11 <djphil> and if a jsonrpc request is able to get thes proporties then why now a ossl function ?
2019-10-19 19:11 <djphil> 01properties*01
2019-10-19 19:12 <djphil> maybee my question is stupid ^^
2019-10-19 19:13 <Ubit> you asked for low level urls.. so got answer about those
2019-10-19 19:14 <djphil> this new request no ... 01osGetAvatarProperties (userID);01 ... no low level url here
2019-10-19 19:14 <djphil> but ok for osGetProfileServerURI
2019-10-19 19:34 <osmantis> Bug #8603:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetAvatarProperties 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8603 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2019-10-19 19:42 <BillBlight> Even SL calls to their web server for the profile picture, and I’m pretty sre it is not an “IN SIMULATOR” function ..
2019-10-19 19:42 <djphil> True, is SL API
2019-10-19 19:43 <djphil> and for FirstLifePicUuid, i think on SL sin't possible
2019-10-19 19:43 <djphil> never see
2019-10-19 19:46 <osmantis> Bug #8603:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetAvatarProperties 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8603 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2019-10-19 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #8603:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetAvatarProperties 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8603 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2019-10-19 20:34 <osmantis> Bug #8603:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetAvatarProperties 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8603 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-19 20:35 <Ubit> :p
2019-10-19 20:38 <djphil> hehe
2019-10-19 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #8603:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetAvatarProperties 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8603 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-10-20 00:25 <djphil> @Ubit, found some missing constant for LlGetObjectDetails too
2019-10-20 00:25 <djphil> @http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlGetObjectDetails
2019-10-20 08:56 <Ubit> we don't do pathfind
2019-10-20 08:57 <Ubit> or render weight math
2019-10-20 09:56 <osmantis> Bug #8096:04 The new Constant: integer OBJECT_ATTACHED_SLOTS_AVAILABLE =  35; for llGetObjectDetails 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8096 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-20 09:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #6537 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-20 10:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6537: SUCCESS in 19 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6537/
2019-10-20 10:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few changes on LlGetObjectDetails
2019-10-20 14:32 <osmantis> Bug #8588:04 avatars load half rig items assets refuse to rig or load full mesh stage 0.9.0 / 0.9.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8588 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-20 16:16 <osmantis> Bug #8588:04 avatars load half rig items assets refuse to rig or load full mesh stage 0.9.0 / 0.9.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8588 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-20 16:26 <osmantis> Bug #8588:04 avatars load half rig items assets refuse to rig or load full mesh stage 0.9.0 / 0.9.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8588 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-20 17:33 <osmantis> Bug #8604:04 bug report assets avatar and inworld items mesh fail to rig inworld render slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8604 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-10-20 17:50 <osmantis> Bug #8604:04 bug report assets avatar and inworld items mesh fail to rig inworld render slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8604 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-10-20 18:50 <osmantis> Bug #8604:04 bug report assets avatar and inworld items mesh fail to rig inworld render slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8604 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-20 19:00 <osmantis> Bug #8604:04 bug report assets avatar and inworld items mesh fail to rig inworld render slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8604 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-20 19:46 <osmantis> Bug #8604:04 bug report assets avatar and inworld items mesh fail to rig inworld render slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8604 ): has been set as DUPLICATE OF issue 0008588.
2019-10-20 19:46 <osmantis> Bug #8588:04 avatars load half rig items assets refuse to rig or load full mesh stage 0.9.0 / 0.9.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8588 ): The issue 0008604 has been set as DUPLICATE OF the following issue.
2019-10-21 00:36 <djphil> Anyone here can edit Wiki Sidebar ?
2019-10-21 00:36 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar
2019-10-21 00:38 <djphil> i ask because the url for "OSGrid User Forums" is wrong
2019-10-21 00:38 <djphil> The valid url is https://forums.osgrid.org/
2019-10-21 00:38 <djphil> ;-)
2019-10-21 01:41 <Plugh> Fixed. Thanks for noticing that, djphil
2019-10-21 01:42 <djphil> 02Thanks for fixing that, Dan01
2019-10-21 01:45 <djphil> 02oops Plugh :p
2019-10-21 01:45 <djphil> 024 am here ^^
2019-10-21 01:57 <Plugh> np
2019-10-21 06:05 <osmantis> Bug #8604:04 bug report assets avatar and inworld items mesh fail to rig inworld render slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8604 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-21 06:44 <BillBlight> That kid on #8608  would be a lot happier if he actually learned how to run Opensimulator and not just punch buttons ..
2019-10-21 06:53 <BillBlight> #8604 I mean ...
2019-10-21 06:56 <osmantis> Bug #8604:04 bug report assets avatar and inworld items mesh fail to rig inworld render slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8604 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-21 06:57 <Ubit> you mean that one? 
2019-10-21 06:57 <BillBlight> yep
2019-10-21 07:00 <Tampa> I was tempted to close it due to the outworldz thing, but I had doubts that would have stopped him
2019-10-21 07:52 <osmantis> Bug #8604:04 bug report assets avatar and inworld items mesh fail to rig inworld render slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8604 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-21 08:16 <osmantis> Bug #8604:04 bug report assets avatar and inworld items mesh fail to rig inworld render slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8604 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-21 08:30 <osmantis> Bug #8604:04 bug report assets avatar and inworld items mesh fail to rig inworld render slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8604 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-21 08:36 <osmantis> Bug #8604:04 bug report assets avatar and inworld items mesh fail to rig inworld render slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8604 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-21 08:38 <osmantis> Bug #8604:04 bug report assets avatar and inworld items mesh fail to rig inworld render slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8604 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-21 08:47 <osmantis> Bug #8604:04 bug report assets avatar and inworld items mesh fail to rig inworld render slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8604 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-21 08:55 <osmantis> Bug #8606:04 Threat levels in code and documentation do not match for a few OSSL functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8606 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-10-21 08:59 <osmantis> Bug #8607:04 osDynamicTextureFace cannot have its Allow permission set in ini files. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8607 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-10-21 09:06 <osmantis> Bug #8608:04 Many OSSL functions are not disabled by setting AllowOSFunctions = false in the ini files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8608 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-10-21 09:13 <osmantis> Bug #8609:04 A few OSSL functions are not in osslEnable.ini, is this omission on purpose? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8609 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-10-21 10:01 <Ai_Austin> Remind me again why 0.9.1.0 dev master version is labelled "Snail Dev"  Would not just "Dev" suffice?
2019-10-21 10:08 <Ubit> because is does have a name duhhh
2019-10-21 10:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #6538 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-21 10:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6538: SUCCESS in 4 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6538/
2019-10-21 10:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few changes on osslEnable.ini
2019-10-21 10:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #6539 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-21 10:34 <Ubit> yeackk
2019-10-21 10:36 <osmantis> Bug #8609:04 A few OSSL functions are not in osslEnable.ini, is this omission on purpose? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8609 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-21 10:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6539: SUCCESS in 4 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6539/
2019-10-21 10:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few changes on osslEnable.ini
2019-10-21 12:50 <osmantis> Bug #8609:04 A few OSSL functions are not in osslEnable.ini, is this omission on purpose? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8609 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-22 08:06 <osmantis> Bug #8610:04 OpenSim.Server.Base.ServerUtils [SERVER UTILS]: Error loading plugin 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8610 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-10-22 08:14 <osmantis> Bug #8610:04 OpenSim.Server.Base.ServerUtils [SERVER UTILS]: Error loading plugin 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-22 08:16 <osmantis> Bug #8609:04 A few OSSL functions are not in osslEnable.ini, is this omission on purpose? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8609 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008608.
2019-10-22 08:16 <osmantis> Bug #8608:04 Many OSSL functions are not disabled by setting AllowOSFunctions = false in the ini files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8608 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008609.
2019-10-22 08:16 <osmantis> Bug #8609:04 A few OSSL functions are not in osslEnable.ini, is this omission on purpose? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8609 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008607.
2019-10-22 08:16 <osmantis> Bug #8607:04 osDynamicTextureFace cannot have its Allow permission set in ini files. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8607 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008609.
2019-10-22 08:16 <osmantis> Bug #8609:04 A few OSSL functions are not in osslEnable.ini, is this omission on purpose? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8609 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008606.
2019-10-22 08:16 <osmantis> Bug #8606:04 Threat levels in code and documentation do not match for a few OSSL functions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8606 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008609.
2019-10-22 08:19 <Tampa> 8595 is a viewer issue and misconfiguration, can be closed
2019-10-22 08:21 <osmantis> Bug #8593:04 Running an fsassets server in a second process leads to instability in both the grid and asset server.  crashing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8593 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-22 08:27 <osmantis> Bug #7411:04 [USER MANAGEMENT MODULE]: Unable to parse home URL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7411 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-22 09:53 <osmantis> Bug #8607:04 osDynamicTextureFace cannot have its Allow permission set in ini files. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8607 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-22 09:55 <osmantis> Bug #8608:04 Many OSSL functions are not disabled by setting AllowOSFunctions = false in the ini files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8608 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-22 10:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #6540 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-22 10:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6540: FAILURE in 1 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6540/
2019-10-22 10:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: try to fix console AGAIN
2019-10-22 11:01 <osmantis> Bug #8593:04 Running an fsassets server in a second process leads to instability in both the grid and asset server.  crashing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8593 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-22 11:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #6541 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6539 1 day 0 hr ago)
2019-10-22 11:09 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-10-22 11:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6541: FIXED in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6541/
2019-10-22 11:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file
2019-10-22 11:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #6542 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-10-22 11:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6542: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6542/
2019-10-22 11:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove some useless NULL arguments
2019-10-22 11:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #6543 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-22 11:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6543: SUCCESS in 4 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6543/
2019-10-22 11:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove some more useless NULL arguments
2019-10-22 12:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #6544 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-22 12:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6544: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6544/
2019-10-22 12:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove some more useless NULL arguments
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2019-10-22 13:56 <osmantis> Bug #8611:04 LocalUserStatistics.db may not be updating in all situations 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8611 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-10-22 13:56 <osmantis> Bug #8611:04 LocalUserStatistics.db may not be updating in all situations 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8611 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-10-22 18:23 <osmantis> Bug #8612:04 Robust config save includes comments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8612 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-10-23 14:47 <osmantis> Bug #8613:04 llDialog: At least 1 button must be shown - Scripting Flaw 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8613 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-10-23 14:57 <osmantis> Bug #8596:04 SSL Cert for OpenSimulator.org needed as it has an insecure connection - Why is there no category for the website? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8596 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-10-23 16:18 <osmantis> Bug #8613:04 llDialog: At least 1 button must be shown - Scripting Flaw 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8613 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-10-23 17:48 <osmantis> Bug #8613:04 llDialog: At least 1 button must be shown - Scripting Flaw 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8613 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008447.
2019-10-23 17:48 <osmantis> Bug #8447:04 Feature Request:  llDialog() to allow empty [] list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8447 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008613.
2019-10-23 17:48 <osmantis> Bug #8613:04 llDialog: At least 1 button must be shown - Scripting Flaw 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8613 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-23 17:54 <Melanie_T> Ubit: http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commitdiff&p=opensim&h=43f4eca67cb08fea911cb456b9301d6b74a5892c
2019-10-23 17:54 <Melanie_T> that was your commit that made us incompatible with SL again
2019-10-23 17:54 <Melanie_T> i don't think we should encourage people to write bad scripts
2019-10-23 18:27 <Tampa> How so?
2019-10-23 18:27 <Melanie_T> in SL, an llDialog throws the error that this commit removed
2019-10-23 18:28 <Melanie_T> i believe it's an "appeasement change" ubit made, taking us further away from the SL standard because people were yelling and screaming
2019-10-23 18:28 <Melanie_T> but i believe that if a fix breaks scripts, people need to fix their scripts
2019-10-23 18:28 <Melanie_T> rather than us reintroducing bugs
2019-10-23 18:29 <Tampa> I mean all this does is not throw an error instead of throwing one, don't see how it breaks scripts when it instead fixes bad scripts
2019-10-23 18:29 <Melanie_T> you don't understand
2019-10-23 18:29 <Tampa> The problem is more that it makes no sense to use llDialog without buttons
2019-10-23 18:29 <Melanie_T> i would prefer it to throw the error
2019-10-23 18:29 <Melanie_T> people need to be made to fix bad scripts
2019-10-23 18:29 <Melanie_T> not mollycoddled
2019-10-23 18:30 <djphil> i suggest 02osDialog01 :p
2019-10-23 18:30 <Tampa> Nah
2019-10-23 18:30 <Tampa> It just makes no sense to use that function without arguments essentially
2019-10-23 18:31 <djphil> maybee this user want only "ok" button ...
2019-10-23 18:31 <Melanie_T> scripts that build the button lists automatically, for instance from textures in the inventory, forget to handle the "nothing in there" case
2019-10-23 18:31 <BillBlight> Actually just tested in SL
2019-10-23 18:31 <BillBlight> they send an OK button if button list is empty
2019-10-23 18:32 <Melanie_T> then they changed it
2019-10-23 18:32 <Melanie_T> because that error was the exact error text I got from SL way back then
2019-10-23 18:32 <BillBlight> times they are a changin'
2019-10-23 18:32 <Tampa> Doesn't make sense to have the button I would agree, but I guess it just looks better to allow it and well "do nothing"
2019-10-23 18:33 <djphil> i'm ok, a empty button list is a non sense :)
2019-10-23 18:33 <BillBlight> https://i.gyazo.com/5cbf3c8cf0268ef43b3874d0476ca2d3.jpg
2019-10-23 18:33 <Tampa> It's SL, what really does make sense with them anymore... not much I would say
2019-10-23 18:33 <Melanie_T> I don't disbelieve you
2019-10-23 18:33 <Melanie_T> i simply said that in 2011 it was not so
2019-10-23 18:33 <Tampa> Does their own wiki reflect this change or mention it?
2019-10-23 18:34 <Ubit> think that is now as current SL spec
2019-10-23 18:34 <Ubit> did you test that at current SL mel?
2019-10-23 18:34 <Melanie_T> BillBlight just did
2019-10-23 18:34 <Melanie_T> and yes it is correct for today's sl
2019-10-23 18:35 <Ubit> well and i think i  didi back then
2019-10-23 18:35 <Ubit> so?
2019-10-23 18:35 <Tampa> SL is weird, Ubit hold me I'm scared
2019-10-23 18:36 <Ubit> gezz wait for the black stars...
2019-10-23 18:36 <BillBlight> yeah their wiki is changed for the current behavior 
2019-10-23 18:37 <BillBlight> it says, "If buttons is an empty list, it will default to as if it were ["OK"]"
2019-10-24 00:29 <djphil> i will suggest to add syntax highlight for all json store constants
2019-10-24 00:29 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/JsonStore_Module#Constants
2019-10-24 00:29 <djphil> and functions ...
2019-10-24 00:29 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/JsonStore_Module#Functions
2019-10-24 12:37 <osmantis> Bug #8614:04 Field Service Management 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8614 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-10-24 12:39 <osmantis> Bug #8614:04 Field Service Management 14(  ): has been DELETED.
2019-10-24 15:22 <PiusNoel> why has the display of default values for console entries been removed (e.g.  Region Location in create region, User ID in create user etc)? I liked the old way much more because it provided at least some kind of hint.  (p.s. I asked this already on #opensim yesterday, but nobody answered)
2019-10-24 15:23 <Tampa> I have a patch that adds them back, but I have not finished it yet
2019-10-24 15:25 <PiusNoel> so I'm not the only one who is missing it ;)
2019-10-24 15:26 <Melanie_T> well, the story is that i made a patch to consolidate the console API into a single "omnibus" function call for output
2019-10-24 15:26 <Melanie_T> and that inadvertently matched, at link time, a function from the old api
2019-10-24 15:27 <Melanie_T> that broke {0} etc placeholders
2019-10-24 15:27 <Melanie_T> it would probablyhave been best for my path to be reverted
2019-10-24 15:27 <Melanie_T> but ubit had already started to patch things up manually
2019-10-24 15:27 <Melanie_T> and i had too little time to get involved
2019-10-24 15:27 <Ubit> yeah i did consider full revert
2019-10-24 15:28 <Melanie_T> i still think it may be best to revert all of ubit's console patches
2019-10-24 15:28 <Ubit> but well.. hope it works now
2019-10-24 15:28 <Melanie_T> and my original one
2019-10-24 15:28 <PiusNoel> that sounds like good news  to me
2019-10-24 15:28 <Melanie_T> that was a known good state
2019-10-24 15:28 <Melanie_T> and my patch was meant for consolidation because i was planning to rewrite the rest console to use out of band signalling for things like parameters and options
2019-10-24 15:29 <Ubit> so far my last change seems holding
2019-10-24 15:29 <Melanie_T> to build those on the console itself, because it doesn't really work for everything atm
2019-10-24 15:29 <Ubit> but don't see where loss of information happened
2019-10-24 15:29 <Melanie_T> but i never got toe the "meat" of it
2019-10-24 15:29 <Melanie_T> so might as well revert the mess
2019-10-24 15:30 <Melanie_T> those reverts would touch places that haevn't seen other changes
2019-10-24 15:30 <Melanie_T> so should be smooth
2019-10-24 15:30 <Ubit> let it be as is now
2019-10-24 15:30 <Melanie_T> well, since the defaults are no longer displayed, it's not really fine
2019-10-24 15:30 <Ubit> don't see the relation
2019-10-24 15:30 <Melanie_T> i'd be in favour of reverts
2019-10-24 15:31 <Melanie_T> to find a passage back to the place we were before
2019-10-24 15:31 <Melanie_T> (thanks, Eagles!)
2019-10-24 15:31 <Ubit> and is that on code from yesterday ?
2019-10-24 15:31 <Tampa> You could idk do what I did and write them into the messages themselves instead of using vars for them
2019-10-24 15:31 <Ubit> or previus code?
2019-10-24 15:32 <Ubit> and same defaults where actually removed
2019-10-24 15:32 <Ubit> so, we need more detailed info on that.. plz file a mantis
2019-10-24 15:32 <Tampa> I managed to find all but 2 and added the possibilities directly to them, but I cannot find the internal ip one
2019-10-24 15:33 <Melanie_T> internal ip is blank by default
2019-10-24 15:33 <Ubit> the console changes did cause errors.. not exactly loss of information
2019-10-24 15:33 <Tampa> I wanted to set it to 0.0.0.0 or systemip as examples
2019-10-24 15:33 <Melanie_T> but i would prefer the flixibility of the old/current approach over having the defaults in string literals
2019-10-24 15:33 <Ubit> ( there error was there at least )
2019-10-24 15:34 <Melanie_T> i feel very uncomfortable withhaving those as part of the strings
2019-10-24 15:34 <Ubit> BUT as i said, some defaults where remove by mel on another commit
2019-10-24 15:34 <Melanie_T> i'd rather revert the mess
2019-10-24 15:34 <PiusNoel> I'm talking about previous code. I could file a mantis next week (I'll be away till next Monday)
2019-10-24 15:34 <Ubit> well plz test last code
2019-10-24 15:35 <Ubit> if missing, plz tell what on mantis
2019-10-24 15:35 <PiusNoel> I've tested the latest code from yesterday already
2019-10-24 15:35 <Melanie_T> i guess i'm being ignored on reverting :(
2019-10-24 15:35 <Ubit> yes you are Mel :p
2019-10-24 15:35 <Melanie_T> it IS the safest way back
2019-10-24 15:35 <Ubit> last change should hold now
2019-10-24 15:36 <Ubit> and that spans by a ton of files
2019-10-24 15:36 <Melanie_T> i dislike having the defaults in the prompt strings
2019-10-24 15:36 <Tampa> So do I
2019-10-24 15:36 <Melanie_T> the old parameterised approach needs to be brought back to life
2019-10-24 15:36 <Ubit> but wait.. what revert are you talking about? lol
2019-10-24 15:36 <PiusNoel> why do you dislike it?
2019-10-24 15:36 <Tampa> But what am I to do when folks ask me about this and I release binaries for them with that missing
2019-10-24 15:36 <Ubit> defaults? or iconsole changes?
2019-10-24 15:37 <Tampa> "Would you like to join <regionname> to an estate?"
2019-10-24 15:37 <Melanie_T> i'm talking about reverting all your attempts to fix the console, plus my original commit that broke it in the fist place
2019-10-24 15:37 <PiusNoel> the defaults, not the console changes in general
2019-10-24 15:37 <Tampa> "Region Name[my region]:"
2019-10-24 15:37 <Ubit> no.. think that will work now
2019-10-24 15:37 <Tampa> etc
2019-10-24 15:37 <Ubit> old code was also bad
2019-10-24 15:37 <PiusNoel> I know how to deal with the defaults, but less experianced users dont
2019-10-24 15:38 <Melanie_T> as I said, i feel very uncomfortable with literal defaults in the prompt strings
2019-10-24 15:38 <Ubit> you did right trying to fix, just changed the badness :)
2019-10-24 15:38 <Tampa> Especially when resolve hostname and you don't know whether to answer yes, true or just enter
2019-10-24 15:38 <Melanie_T> because it means if someone later changes the default in code, it won't be reflected in the string unless it's edited there, too
2019-10-24 15:38 <Melanie_T> that was never necessary before
2019-10-24 15:38 <Melanie_T> so it will be forgotten
2019-10-24 15:38 <Tampa> yup
2019-10-24 15:39 <Melanie_T> it's not an if, it's a when
2019-10-24 15:39 <PiusNoel> right
2019-10-24 15:39 <Tampa> Remember we assume people have read only the bare minimum on setup and need at least some guidance on what to do
2019-10-24 15:39 <Ubit> so issue is actuall on the removal of defaults, right?
2019-10-24 15:39 <Melanie_T> Ubit: the mechanism to display the default is broken
2019-10-24 15:39 <Melanie_T> the default is still there
2019-10-24 15:40 <Melanie_T> just no longer shown
2019-10-24 15:40 <PiusNoel> for me yes... 
2019-10-24 15:40 <Tampa> Missing defaults and missing suggestions or examples in the strings that ask you to provide information such as hostname ip, etc
2019-10-24 15:40 <Melanie_T> Tampa: the defaults don't belong in the string, that is what i'm arguing
2019-10-24 15:40 <PiusNoel> except the deisplay of the default, the latest code looked ok to me
2019-10-24 15:40 <Melanie_T> somehow the display of the default was broken
2019-10-24 15:40 <Melanie_T> the value is still there
2019-10-24 15:40 <Tampa> I know, I just placed them there so I would get less tickets lol
2019-10-24 15:40 <Melanie_T> duplicating the value in the string as a literal is badness
2019-10-24 15:41 <Melanie_T> no one keeps you from giving out those binaries
2019-10-24 15:41 <Tampa> Ideally we would go back I agree, but if Ubit wants to fix it sure, but this year not the next
2019-10-24 15:41 <Melanie_T> but such a non-solution is not for core
2019-10-24 15:41 <PiusNoel> ;)
2019-10-24 15:42 <Tampa> Never said I would give the patch out I know you don't like what I do so I don't even bother anymore
2019-10-24 15:42 <Ubit> so i need to fireup a standalone to see the issue?
2019-10-24 15:42 <Melanie_T> i don't dislike what you do as a general rule and i don't dislike you
2019-10-24 15:42 <Tampa> Or grid connected doesn't really matter Ubit, just empty db is what you need
2019-10-24 15:43 <Tampa> So it asks you to provide info for the region to be created
2019-10-24 15:43 <Ubit> or tell me a strig that should show up..
2019-10-24 15:43 <Tampa> Those questions used to have examples and or defaults set such as regionuuid format, region name, location etc
2019-10-24 15:43 <PiusNoel> it's same behaviousr on both... SA or grid
2019-10-24 15:43 <Tampa> "Region location[4444,4444]: " Now shows: "Region location: "
2019-10-24 15:44 <PiusNoel> good example
2019-10-24 15:44 <Tampa> I don't actually remember what the other ones are lol
2019-10-24 15:53 <Ubit> so prompt also got broken?
2019-10-24 15:56 <Melanie_T> seems so
2019-10-24 15:56 <Melanie_T> that's whyi'm saying, rather than tryong to track these changes down, let's revert that chain of commits
2019-10-24 15:57 <Melanie_T> and if it is bad code and has been bad code for years, maybe it's time to fix it then
2019-10-24 15:57 <Melanie_T> however, bad working code beats bad nonworking code
2019-10-24 15:58 <Tampa> Amen
2019-10-24 15:59 <Plugh> It does sound like reverting commits is the best route forward (after going backward). :)
2019-10-24 15:59 <PiusNoel> I've just started an SA with old behaviour and will file a mantis later today
2019-10-24 16:05 <Ubit> can u test this fast?
2019-10-24 16:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #6545 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-24 16:08 <Ubit> well if this works ill clean it a bit later
2019-10-24 16:08 <Ubit> or not :)
2019-10-24 16:09 <Ubit> pius, can u test this?
2019-10-24 16:10 <Ubit> guys don't buy electric cars LOL
2019-10-24 16:11 <Ubit> a guy here did buy a nissan leaf... the batery died... he ordered a new one, cost estimation 9000 euros, final and current oficial cost of the batery 30000euros
2019-10-24 16:11 <Ubit> the car costs 34000 new..
2019-10-24 16:12 <Ubit> electric cars seem very good, for those that can't do math
2019-10-24 16:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6545: SUCCESS in 4 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6545/
2019-10-24 16:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: partial revert console Prompt code to fix it
2019-10-24 16:13 <Ubit> gezz i killed another chat.. again..
2019-10-24 16:14 <PiusNoel> sorry, I've been away for a moment
2019-10-24 16:14 <Ubit> :)
2019-10-24 16:17 <PiusNoel> for create user there are just the user First Name and Last Name with missing defaults... that's ok for me
2019-10-24 16:17 <Ubit> hmm? stil doesn't show all?
2019-10-24 16:17 <Ubit> but does show more?
2019-10-24 16:17 <PiusNoel> I'll test with the latest changes in a minute
2019-10-24 16:17 <Ubit> ok
2019-10-24 16:17 <PiusNoel> still compiling ;)
2019-10-24 16:20 <PiusNoel> create regions looks good ! 
2019-10-24 16:20 <Ubit> default values are back?
2019-10-24 16:21 <PiusNoel> yes... but there is now a new problem with create user
2019-10-24 16:23 <PiusNoel> ... the prompts appear twice
2019-10-24 16:24 <Ubit> and why do we accept empty password ?
2019-10-24 16:25 <Melanie_T> because we're not oracle and force people to have insanely complex passwords
2019-10-24 16:25 <PiusNoel> ouch... are they really accepted? I never used empty passwords
2019-10-24 16:26 <PiusNoel> Godaddy is even worse
2019-10-24 16:27 <Melanie_T> if an empty password works with existing viewers, it should be a legal value
2019-10-24 16:28 <PiusNoel> agree
2019-10-24 16:28 <Melanie_T> if it doesn't, it should be stopped to help people not shoot themselves in the foot
2019-10-24 16:28 <Ubit> oops
2019-10-24 16:28 <Melanie_T> or we could ;) create a random password and not tell the user :P
2019-10-24 16:28 <Ubit> bad Mel :p
2019-10-24 16:29 <PiusNoel> it's the prompts for First name, Lastname and Pawword, that appears twice
2019-10-24 16:29 <Ubit> yeha my bad
2019-10-24 16:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #6546 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-24 16:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6546: SUCCESS in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6546/
2019-10-24 16:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops, dont ask things twice
2019-10-24 16:35 <PiusNoel> to me it looks good now...
2019-10-24 16:38 <PiusNoel> as far as I remember, in earlier releases instead of User ID (enter for random) []: the random user id has been displayed. but the way it's now, it's ok to me.
2019-10-24 16:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #6547 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-24 16:41 <Ubit> with this keep doing just enter on password
2019-10-24 16:41 <Ubit> hmm should he have confirm password? :)
2019-10-24 16:42 <Melanie_T> has anyone tested if an empty password can be sent by the viewer?
2019-10-24 16:42 <Ubit> what? you didn't test??
2019-10-24 16:42 <Ubit> :p
2019-10-24 16:43 <PiusNoel> we never had to confirm passwords
2019-10-24 16:43 <Ubit> they don't even high light the login button
2019-10-24 16:44 <Ubit> yeah i just had to code open on vs :)
2019-10-24 16:45 <PiusNoel> Firestorm doesn't allow empty passwords 
2019-10-24 16:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6547: SUCCESS in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6547/
2019-10-24 16:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: refuse to create a new user with empty password
2019-10-24 16:45 <Ubit> it would be a silly thing to allow
2019-10-24 16:46 <Melanie_T> that's your opinion
2019-10-24 16:46 <Melanie_T> mine is that simulators that will never be public as well as "kiosk" setups may well not want passwords
2019-10-24 16:48 <Ubit> yeah and i need to consider those 2 lazy to set a "123" password..
2019-10-24 16:49 <Melanie_T> i simply don't like enforced security
2019-10-24 16:50 <Melanie_T> it should be a choice, not a dictate
2019-10-24 16:50 <Melanie_T> too many pieces of software want to make security choices for me and i don't like it
2019-10-24 16:51 <Ubit> hope we arent force to get a cert to sign releases, by the way..
2019-10-24 16:51 <Ubit> on the "forced security" thing..
2019-10-24 16:51 <Melanie_T> for mac and windows, that may well come
2019-10-24 16:52 <Melanie_T> linux at least isn't going there yet
2019-10-24 16:52 <Ubit> the option to install FS is not hidden on "show more"
2019-10-24 16:52 <Ubit> is now..
2019-10-24 16:52 <Melanie_T> but applications like kubernetes, that force even localhost connections to be encrypted, are already there
2019-10-24 16:53 <Ubit> a big Don't run button.. a small "show more"
2019-10-24 16:53 <Ubit> jessica does not want to pay for a cert also :)
2019-10-24 16:53 <Melanie_T> yes. same as when i click to download an exe or jar fil, explicitly clock it
2019-10-24 16:53 <Melanie_T> click*
2019-10-24 16:53 <Ubit> yeah
2019-10-24 16:54 <Melanie_T> and then get told "this file can harm your computer" big delete button small keep
2019-10-24 16:54 <Ubit> yeap
2019-10-24 16:54 <Melanie_T> operating systems have been using dark patterns for a while now
2019-10-24 16:54 <Ubit> if they can, tehy will delete the "keep"
2019-10-24 16:54 <Melanie_T> and the "no" button on updates is long gone for most
2019-10-24 16:54 <Ubit> likek they did on device drivers
2019-10-24 16:54 <Melanie_T> all you get is "nag me later"
2019-10-24 16:55 <Ubit> bahh i said NO to win10 upgrade
2019-10-24 16:55 <Ubit> when i noticed i had 6GB of it on dick
2019-10-24 16:55 <Ubit> err on disk LOL
2019-10-24 16:55 <Melanie_T> i figured you didn't want to say that
2019-10-24 16:56 <Ubit> and it was getting it a slow rate
2019-10-24 16:56 <Ubit> :)
2019-10-24 16:56 <Melanie_T> but maybe you have a USB sick d*ck :P
2019-10-24 16:56 <Melanie_T> stick*
2019-10-24 16:56 <Ubit> and i always went chassing the damm no they kept chaning location
2019-10-24 16:57 <Melanie_T> well, i tought my windows 10 to not update and not phone home
2019-10-24 16:57 <PiusNoel> just tested... libOpenMetaverse Testclient accepts empty psasswords
2019-10-24 16:57 <Ubit> well eventually i did upgrade.. but when i decided
2019-10-24 16:57 <Melanie_T> so now all the little things it says on the lock screen
2019-10-24 16:58 <Melanie_T> have changed to "millions of users have updated" and "your computer is at risk"
2019-10-24 16:58 <Ubit> a cert for this still costs 1000USD per year?
2019-10-24 16:58 <Melanie_T> and "critically ou of date"
2019-10-24 16:58 <Melanie_T> i have no idea what authenticode certs cost
2019-10-24 16:58 <Melanie_T> at least for apple, you don't have to buy to sign
2019-10-24 16:58 <Ubit> yeah i looked years ago
2019-10-24 16:59 <Melanie_T> you just have to be an apple developer
2019-10-24 16:59 <Melanie_T> it used to require a paid plan but they dropped that
2019-10-24 16:59 <Ubit> well and that 1000USD was the one need for device drivers, not a regular one
2019-10-24 17:00 <Ubit> possible..
2019-10-24 17:36 <Tampa> Strangely as of late my kaspersky started flagging the 32bit exe down for being bad or whatever
2019-10-24 17:36 <Tampa> Not sure what it is complaining about, especially for those versions I built locally xD
2019-10-24 17:37 <Tampa> Maybe it just hates 32bit who knows
2019-10-24 17:39 <Tampa> Also I had a bit of fun and wrote a stupid patch to allow dots in region names.... by checking against known tlds at the end and assuming hg address if one matches xD
2019-10-24 17:40 <Tampa> It probably breaks hyperlinks though so... eh was fun anyways
2019-10-25 16:23 <osmantis> Bug #8615:04 Syntax highlight missing for all JsonStore functions and constants 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8615 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2019-10-25 21:40 <osmantis> Bug #7916:04 osSetTerrainTexture and osSetTerrainTextureHeight neither work for Estate Owner nor Estate Manager without God Powers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7916 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-25 21:41 <osmantis> Bug #7916:04 osSetTerrainTexture and osSetTerrainTextureHeight neither work for Estate Owner nor Estate Manager without God Powers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7916 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-10-25 21:42 <osmantis> Bug #8114:04 [PATCH] Giving possibility to add/remove estate manager via simulator console. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8114 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-10-25 21:43 <osmantis> Bug #8400:04 More logical NPC's detection with llGetAgentList and replacing ssp.IsViewerUIGod with ssp.IsGod. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8400 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-25 21:43 <osmantis> Bug #8400:04 More logical NPC's detection with llGetAgentList and replacing ssp.IsViewerUIGod with ssp.IsGod. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8400 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-10-25 21:44 <osmantis> Bug #8362:04 Correct work of estate debug options: DisableCollisions and DisablePhysics. Adding possibility to set them from ini files. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8362 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-25 21:44 <osmantis> Bug #8362:04 Correct work of estate debug options: DisableCollisions and DisablePhysics. Adding possibility to set them from ini files. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8362 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-10-25 21:44 <osmantis> Bug #8361:04 Addition of missing config boolean SkipDelayOnEmptyRegion accordingly to code's documentation. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8361 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-25 21:45 <osmantis> Bug #8361:04 Addition of missing config boolean SkipDelayOnEmptyRegion accordingly to code's documentation. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8361 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-10-25 21:45 <osmantis> Bug #8359:04 Modification of handleEstateRestartSimRequest to make Cancel button in viewer's estate menu trigger proper client alert message. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8359 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-25 21:45 <osmantis> Bug #8359:04 Modification of handleEstateRestartSimRequest to make Cancel button in viewer's estate menu trigger proper client alert message. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8359 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-10-25 21:46 <osmantis> Bug #7997:04 Correction in osslEnable.ini for  osForceAttachToOtherAvatarFromInventory referring to its ThreatLevel. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7997 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-25 21:46 <osmantis> Bug #7997:04 Correction in osslEnable.ini for  osForceAttachToOtherAvatarFromInventory referring to its ThreatLevel. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7997 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-10-25 21:46 <osmantis> Bug #8347:04 [PATCH] Missing config line GroupsExternalURI referring to LocalGroupsServiceLocation in GroupsServiceHGConnectorModule 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8347 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-25 21:47 <osmantis> Bug #8347:04 [PATCH] Missing config line GroupsExternalURI referring to LocalGroupsServiceLocation in GroupsServiceHGConnectorModule 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8347 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-10-25 21:47 <osmantis> Bug #8344:04 Possibility to complete disabling parcel bans - free proposition. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8344 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-25 21:47 <osmantis> Bug #8344:04 Possibility to complete disabling parcel bans - free proposition. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8344 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-10-25 21:48 <osmantis> Bug #8110:04 The addition of OwnerID to be displayed in SceneObjectReport and ScenePartReport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8110 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-25 21:48 <osmantis> Bug #8110:04 The addition of OwnerID to be displayed in SceneObjectReport and ScenePartReport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8110 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-10-25 21:50 <osmantis> Bug #8369:04 [PATCH] llRequestUserKey not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8369 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-25 21:50 <osmantis> Bug #8369:04 [PATCH] llRequestUserKey not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8369 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-10-25 21:54 <osmantis> Bug #8080:04 OSSL proposal: HG capable osInstantMessage and osGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8080 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-25 21:54 <osmantis> Bug #8080:04 OSSL proposal: HG capable osInstantMessage and osGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8080 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-10-25 22:29 <Tampa> wtf is all this
2019-10-25 22:30 <Tampa> Ubit?
2019-10-25 22:33 <Ubit> dunno
2019-10-25 22:33 <Tampa> These issues should be re-opened they are not resolved
2019-10-25 22:40 <osmantis> Bug #8369:04 [PATCH] llRequestUserKey not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8369 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2019-10-25 22:41 <Tampa> They just closed them all as won't fix because THEY don't want to fix them apparently, wtf
2019-10-25 22:42 <Tampa> I cannot set them to open again, don't have the perms
2019-10-25 22:50 <Ubit> seems open, just that wont fix there
2019-10-25 22:52 <osmantis> Bug #8369:04 [PATCH] llRequestUserKey not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8369 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2019-10-25 22:52 <Tampa> They are marked resolved won't fix even just because they removed their patches
2019-10-25 22:52 <Ubit> assign??
2019-10-25 22:53 <Tampa> If an issue is marked resolved it gets assigned to the person that resolved it
2019-10-25 22:53 <osmantis> Bug #8369:04 [PATCH] llRequestUserKey not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8369 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-10-25 22:54 <Tampa> I'm just saying simply because THEY don't want to fix it they shouldn't be marked as resolved and won't fix instead be left open
2019-10-25 22:54 <Tampa> This person removed all their patches from mantis, not sure why, but in doing so marked them all as resolved even if they are not
2019-10-25 22:54 <Ubit> yeah
2019-10-25 22:55 <Tampa> There are more than 8369 as well check the recently updated there are a bunch that need to be re-opened
2019-10-25 22:58 <osmantis> Bug #8080:04 OSSL proposal: HG capable osInstantMessage and osGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8080 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2019-10-25 23:00 <osmantis> Bug #8080:04 OSSL proposal: HG capable osInstantMessage and osGiveInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8080 ): has been ACKNOWLEDGED.
2019-10-25 23:04 <osmantis> Bug #8110:04 The addition of OwnerID to be displayed in SceneObjectReport and ScenePartReport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8110 ): has been REOPENED.
2019-10-25 23:04 <osmantis> Bug #8110:04 The addition of OwnerID to be displayed in SceneObjectReport and ScenePartReport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8110 ): has been ACKNOWLEDGED.
2019-10-25 23:05 <osmantis> Bug #8344:04 Possibility to complete disabling parcel bans - free proposition. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8344 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2019-10-25 23:05 <osmantis> Bug #7916:04 osSetTerrainTexture and osSetTerrainTextureHeight neither work for Estate Owner nor Estate Manager without God Powers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7916 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2019-10-25 23:07 <osmantis> Bug #8114:04 [PATCH] Giving possibility to add/remove estate manager via simulator console. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8114 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2019-10-25 23:07 <osmantis> Bug #8400:04 More logical NPC's detection with llGetAgentList and replacing ssp.IsViewerUIGod with ssp.IsGod. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8400 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2019-10-26 16:38 <osmantis> Bug #8616:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTIONS] A bush of dataserver functions are not implemented or return no value 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8616 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2019-10-26 19:44 <osmantis> Bug #8617:04 SQLite: Missing 'GetUserWhere' functionality [PATCH] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8617 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-10-26 20:02 <osmantis> Bug #8617:04 SQLite: Missing 'GetUserWhere' functionality [PATCH] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8617 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-26 20:26 <osmantis> Bug #8617:04 SQLite: Missing 'GetUserWhere' functionality [PATCH] 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8617 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-26 20:34 <osmantis> Bug #8618:04 New OSSL function to return permission test for named function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8618 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-10-26 20:51 <osmantis> Bug #8619:04 viewer's crash on simcrossing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8619 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-10-26 21:06 <djphil> This is no longer used for opensim modules?
2019-10-26 21:06 <djphil> <Reference name = "OpenSim.Framework.Communications" />
2019-10-26 21:06 <djphil> What is it replaced with?
2019-10-26 21:06 <djphil> i get a error when i try to compile module with
2019-10-26 21:06 <Ubit> several files
2019-10-26 21:06 <djphil> OpenSim.Framework.Communications Error
2019-10-26 21:07 <Ubit> thats old thing
2019-10-26 21:07 <djphil> Hmmm sereval file
2019-10-26 21:07 <djphil> arfff
2019-10-26 21:07 <djphil> probably to hard for me then :(
2019-10-26 21:13 <Ubit> well first see if it is actually needed
2019-10-26 21:13 <djphil> hehe good question :p
2019-10-26 21:15 -!- stephengwills(~stephengw@rrcs-72-45-238-82.nys.biz.rr.com) has left #opensim-dev
2019-10-26 21:15 <osmantis> Bug #8618:04 New OSSL function to return permission test for named function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8618 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-10-26 22:30 <djphil> osGetGridName(WITH USER UUID) to get HG Grid Names for this user :)
2019-10-27 17:36 <djphil> @Dan: missing texture @ https://www.osgrid.org/sites/all/modules/d4os$/misc/ajax-loader.gif
2019-10-27 17:38 <djphil> That is the beautifull loader for online/offline region when you go to your profile / regions
2019-10-27 17:41 <djphil> Original texture can be found @ https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ssm2017/d4os/2012-d7/misc/ajax-loader.gif
2019-10-28 11:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #6548 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-28 11:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6548: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6548/
2019-10-28 11:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change  version
2019-10-28 11:45 <Ai_Austin> Interesting.. version change on Dev master :-)
2019-10-28 11:45 <Ubit> really?
2019-10-28 11:45 <Ai_Austin> yes really ;-)
2019-10-28 11:45 <Ubit> :)
2019-10-28 11:46 <Ai_Austin> I am tempted to update just to get the new version number !!
2019-10-28 11:46 <Ubit> nice update :)
2019-10-28 11:46 <Ai_Austin> of course a full regression test would be needed in such a case
2019-10-28 11:49 <Ai_Austin> Seriously... is the version number change to anticipate release soon(ish)?  As I think there could be confusion between 0.9.0.1 and 0.9.1.0 (which has had downloads labelled 0.9.0.1 until very recently). so going for something like 0.9.1.1 for a RC might be wise.  Cold that be your thinking Ubit? 
2019-10-28 11:49 <Ai_Austin> *could
2019-10-28 11:49 <Ubit> ?
2019-10-28 11:50 <Ubit> 0.9.1.1 != 0.9.0.1
2019-10-28 11:50 <Ubit> and we never had a 0.9.1.1
2019-10-28 11:50 <Ai_Austin> yep.. that's what I meant whereas I think if the next stable release was labelled 0.9.1.0 there could be confusion with that
2019-10-28 11:51 <Ubit> but thats its name
2019-10-28 11:51 <Ubit> 0.9.1.0 Snail
2019-10-28 11:51 <Ai_Austin> I thought its name was "Snail" :-)
2019-10-28 11:51 <Ubit> ok version and name :p
2019-10-28 11:52 <Ai_Austin> ah well. I remain totally confused then. I will wait to see what is in store
2019-10-28 11:52 <Ai_Austin> "yeti" might be a good name.
2019-10-28 11:52 <Ai_Austin> a mythical character
2019-10-28 11:53 <Ai_Austin> one some people say they have seen and others never see :-)
2019-10-28 11:53 <Ubit> yeah possible for future
2019-10-28 11:53 <Ai_Austin> I am getting it... I see the 0.9.1.0-post-fixes branch 
2019-10-28 11:54 <Ubit> this is Snail  learn to love snails :)
2019-10-28 11:55 <Ai_Austin> My wife hates them I her garden.  I try to protect them by giving them a rocket trip next door... though te rumour is they make their way back if you do that
2019-10-28 11:55 <Ubit> :)
2019-10-28 12:01 <Ai_Austin> Ubit, when you get chance, can you restore the serial number and gcommit elements of the download link on viewgit.  Its back to opensim-0.9.1.1Dev.zip
2019-10-28 12:02 <Ubit> they will show up on next commit
2019-10-28 12:02 <Ai_Austin> thx
2019-10-28 12:54 <Tampa> Since July there have been nearly 8gb worth of commits based on building a new binary each time
2019-10-28 13:33 <Ubit> added a few things to http://dist.opensimulator.org/
2019-10-28 13:36 <Ubit> oops
2019-10-28 13:44 <Ubit> looks better now :)
2019-10-28 14:55 <Ubit> ok main page, etc changed also
2019-10-28 16:00 <osmantis> Bug #8619:04 viewer's crash on simcrossing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8619 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-28 16:03 <osmantis> Bug #8618:04 New OSSL function to return permission test for named function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8618 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-28 16:04 <osmantis> Bug #8616:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTIONS] A bush of dataserver functions are not implemented or return no value 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8616 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-28 16:20 <osmantis> Bug #8619:04 viewer's crash on simcrossing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8619 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-28 16:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #6549 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-28 16:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6549: SUCCESS in 4 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6549/
2019-10-28 16:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update version name
2019-10-28 17:42 <Ubit> ...on a ship heading to main land...
2019-10-28 17:42 <Ubit> .. im standing in way of the strom...
2019-10-28 17:43 <Ubit> and storm...
2019-10-28 17:56 <Plugh> I won't be able to run todays OS dev meeting as I need to help my mother with some shopping this afternoon.
2019-10-28 17:57 <Ubit> todays ?
2019-10-28 17:58 <Ubit> hmm i had the idea today is Monday.. i skipped a day again?
2019-10-28 17:58 <Plugh> oh. nm. My mother often picks a meeting day for a day to go out. :)
2019-10-28 17:58 <Ubit> :)
2019-10-28 17:58 <Plugh> Going out in a few minutes. bbl.
2019-10-28 19:00 <Ubit> 
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2019-10-28 20:59 <osmantis> Bug #8618:04 New OSSL function to return permission test for named function 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8618 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-29 14:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #6550 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-29 14:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6550: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6550/
2019-10-29 14:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update server release notes default URL
2019-10-29 15:10 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-10-29 15:53 <osmantis> Bug #8620:04 Simulator hangs forever after <ctrl>-c on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8620 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-10-29 15:56 <osmantis> Bug #8620:04 Simulator hangs forever after <ctrl>-c on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8620 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007743.
2019-10-29 15:56 <osmantis> Bug #7743:04 Simulator hangs forever in shutdown on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7743 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008620.
2019-10-29 16:00 <osmantis> Bug #8620:04 Simulator hangs forever after <ctrl>-c on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8620 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-29 16:03 <osmantis> Bug #8620:04 Simulator hangs forever after <ctrl>-c on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8620 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-29 16:25 <osmantis> Bug #8620:04 Simulator hangs forever after <ctrl>-c on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8620 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-29 16:33 <Ubit> gezzz
2019-10-29 16:33 <Ubit> https://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2019/10/new-opensim-release-has-new-physics-engine-bento-support/
2019-10-29 16:34 <Ubit> how can news be so wrong??
2019-10-29 16:34 <Ubit> hmm who is Ubamov?
2019-10-29 16:38 <Plugh> Your Russian alt?  ;)
2019-10-29 16:39 <Ubit> gezz such a bad article :(
2019-10-29 16:43 <Tampa> What do you expect form Ms Piggy, proper journalism, nah
2019-10-29 17:01 <Ubit> ok she is acting based on my emails
2019-10-29 17:03 <Ubit> seems better now no?
2019-10-29 17:42 <Plugh> Seems ok to me.
2019-10-29 17:44 <Ubit> wel that pic showing BoM fallback only doesn't help much, but ok :)
2019-10-29 17:57 <Ubit> Plugs cat Meow Meow ??
2019-10-29 18:19 <osmantis> Bug #8616:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTIONS] A bush of dataserver functions are not implemented or return no value 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8616 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-10-29 18:27 <osmantis> Bug #7824:04 OSSL json functions return System.Collections.Hashtable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7824 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2019-10-29 18:28 <osmantis> Bug #7824:04 OSSL json functions return System.Collections.Hashtable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7824 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2019-10-29 18:45 <osmantis> Bug #8616:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTIONS] A bush of dataserver functions are not implemented or return no value 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8616 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-29 18:54 <osmantis> Bug #8620:04 Simulator hangs forever after <ctrl>-c on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8620 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-29 19:27 <osmantis> Bug #8616:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTIONS] A bush of dataserver functions are not implemented or return no value 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8616 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-10-29 20:36 <BillBlight> Someone needs to moderate #opensim
2019-10-29 20:40 <osmantis> Bug #8620:04 Simulator hangs forever after <ctrl>-c on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8620 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-29 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #8620:04 Simulator hangs forever after <ctrl>-c on Linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8620 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-29 21:46 <BillBlight> can someone kick/ban that guy jsync from #opensim he has been posting nonsense for a couple of hours
2019-10-29 22:19 <Tampa> It's a pretty fun read actually, old school insanity xD
2019-10-29 22:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #6551 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-29 23:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6551: SUCCESS in 4 min 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6551/
2019-10-29 23:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix some mysql timestamps default value
2019-10-30 04:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #6552 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-30 04:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6552: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6552/
2019-10-30 04:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: always allow part deselect
2019-10-30 13:44 <Ubit> gezz a downgrade
2019-10-30 15:29 <osmantis> Bug #8621:04 Improvement of informaton provided for DEBUG [YEngine]: parsing errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8621 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-10-30 16:55 <osmantis> Bug #8621:04 Improvement of informaton provided for DEBUG [YEngine]: parsing errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8621 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-30 18:26 <osmantis> Bug #8621:04 Improvement of informaton provided for DEBUG [YEngine]: parsing errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8621 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-30 19:55 <osmantis> Bug #8621:04 Improvement of informaton provided for DEBUG [YEngine]: parsing errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8621 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-30 22:10 <osmantis> Bug #8621:04 Improvement of informaton provided for DEBUG [YEngine]: parsing errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8621 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-31 09:10 <osmantis> Bug #8621:04 Improvement of informaton provided for DEBUG [YEngine]: parsing errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8621 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-31 09:34 <osmantis> Bug #8621:04 Improvement of informaton provided for DEBUG [YEngine]: parsing errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8621 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-31 09:55 <osmantis> Bug #8621:04 Improvement of informaton provided for DEBUG [YEngine]: parsing errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8621 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-10-31 12:51 <PiusNoel> What are current test procedures before submitting a patch? In the past it was by running "nant test", but that seems to be rather outdated.
2019-10-31 16:16 <Ubit> for that you would need to make you own test code also
2019-10-31 16:16 <Ubit> possible, i mean
2019-10-31 16:17 <PiusNoel> so just testing manually is enough?
2019-10-31 16:17 <PiusNoel> you probably have it easy, jenkin is doing it ;)
2019-10-31 16:18 <PiusNoel> *Jankins
2019-10-31 16:18 <PiusNoel> grrr... Jenkins
2019-10-31 16:20 <Ubit> any test code should even be done by other devs, according to what cold should do, not how exactly it is done..
2019-10-31 16:21 <Ubit> something not all our tests respect :)
2019-10-31 16:24 <PiusNoel> of course not. I'll prepare and file the patch. It's tested as far I can do it on Windows and Linux.
2019-10-31 16:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #6553 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-10-31 16:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6553: SUCCESS in 5 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6553/
2019-10-31 16:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a disabled module has no caps to tell viewers (cameraonlymoduel)
2019-10-31 18:07 <PiusNoel> Ubit: it looks like 'nant test' still works in Linux; in Visual Studio 2017 the Nunit2 Test Adapter extension package is what I've been looking for. However, this will be deprecated in VS 2019.
2019-10-31 23:04 <Tampa> I have llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast in a for loop to change a prim size so it looks like a blind rolling up and down, but the size change only shows when I right click on the prim, else it remains looking the same until touched
2019-10-31 23:05 <Tampa> Has anyone experienced anything like that?
2019-10-31 23:19 <Tampa> It sometimes works and then I have to click it again, then it doesn't do anything at all for a few seconds then resets
2019-10-31 23:19 <Tampa> It's as if scene updates are not happening
2019-10-31 23:26 <djphil> often use this function but I do not understand the explanation of your problem. If you can show the script, I want to test it on my region
2019-10-31 23:26 <djphil> Otherwise, I did not find any problem in general with this function
2019-10-31 23:30 <Tampa> A for loop that sets prim_size each time a little bigger, which makes it look like it is moving smoothly
2019-10-31 23:31 <Tampa> Instead it sometimes just does not show the new size until I right click it
2019-10-31 23:31 <Tampa> Make a script with that function using the for loop for the size and let it run a bit so it "grows"
2019-10-31 23:31 <Tampa> I tried with 3 viewers now all the same, sometimes works and sometimes fails
2019-10-31 23:32 <Tampa> Leads me to think something with scene updates being weird
2019-10-31 23:32 <djphil> do not forget that this function is executed without delay ... so sometimes to visualize the desired effect it is necessary to put a small llSleep in the loop ... for example with 0.1 or 0.05
2019-10-31 23:32 <Tampa> It worked perfectly before each time
2019-10-31 23:33 <djphil> i'm not ip to date with master
2019-10-31 23:33 <djphil> up*
2019-10-31 23:34 <djphil> maybee try it on Lbsa Sandbox Plaza
2019-10-31 23:38 <Ubit> No
2019-10-31 23:38 <Ubit> use a sand box
2019-10-31 23:38 <Ubit> lbsa is not a sandbox :p
2019-10-31 23:39 <Ubit> well it is for me... just ME ME ME
2019-10-31 23:39 <Ubit> ahh good dan isn't here 
2019-10-31 23:39 <Ubit> :)
2019-10-31 23:40 <Tampa> I'll test some more and mantis this if needed, guessing probably something with new throttles
2019-10-31 23:40 <djphil> Hmmm "Sandbox Plaza" isn't a sanbox ?
2019-10-31 23:40 <djphil> are you sure ^^
2019-10-31 23:45 <Ubit> <djphil> maybee try it on Lbsa Sandbox Plaza <--- i see lbsa thre
2019-10-31 23:46 <djphil> That's right but I just wanted to say Sandbox Plaza. Language problem :)
2019-11-01 10:03 <osmantis> Bug #8513:04 Teleport refused because failed to verify user presence 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8513 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-11-01 15:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #6554 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-01 15:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6554: SUCCESS in 5 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6554/
2019-11-01 15:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: FlotSamAssetcache write to disk needs be sync.
2019-11-01 15:24 <Melanie_> Ubit: why does that need to be sync?
2019-11-01 15:24 <Ubit> for now..
2019-11-01 15:24 <Melanie_> seems to mw that if opensim crashed, the asset would just be refetched 
2019-11-01 15:25 <Ubit> some code does need to have the asset there "imediatly"
2019-11-01 15:25 <Melanie_> s/mw/me/
2019-11-01 15:25 <Ubit> if damm GC allowed we should always have some memory caching
2019-11-01 15:26 <Ubit> its not crash
2019-11-01 15:26 <Ubit> is use of the asset, just after
2019-11-01 15:26 <Melanie_> that particular case would be if the asset is rapidly requested multiple times
2019-11-01 15:27 <Ubit> it may be req very fast yes
2019-11-01 15:27 <Melanie_> the thought of the day was that 1 or to refetches in such cases are better than slowing down the sim's asset fetching
2019-11-01 15:27 <Ubit> and that potencial storm of Threads. yeack..
2019-11-01 15:27 <Melanie_> why slow down the regular case to acceletrate a corner case?
2019-11-01 15:28 <Ubit> yes but we have local assets..
2019-11-01 15:28 <Melanie_> i keep forgetting about these textures because i don't allow them
2019-11-01 15:28 <Ubit> OS write cache should work on that
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2019-11-02 15:44 <osmantis> Bug #8622:04 Attachments getting lost after viewer relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8622 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2019-11-02 20:54 <osmantis> Bug #8623:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast inside for loop not updating 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8623 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-11-02 21:13 <osmantis> Bug #8622:04 Attachments getting lost after viewer relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8622 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-02 21:25 <osmantis> Bug #8622:04 Attachments getting lost after viewer relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8622 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-02 21:41 <osmantis> Bug #8622:04 Attachments getting lost after viewer relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8622 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-02 21:45 <osmantis> Bug #8623:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast inside for loop not updating 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8623 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-02 21:47 <osmantis> Bug #8622:04 Attachments getting lost after viewer relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8622 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-02 21:50 <osmantis> Bug #8623:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast inside for loop not updating 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8623 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-02 21:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #6555 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-02 21:58 <osmantis> Bug #8623:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast inside for loop not updating 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8623 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-02 21:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6555: SUCCESS in 5 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6555/
2019-11-02 21:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid a null ref
2019-11-02 21:59 <osmantis> Bug #8623:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast inside for loop not updating 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8623 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-02 22:02 <djphil> I have tested on my region and it work fine.
2019-11-02 22:03 <BillBlight> YEah I still have Dev Outreach Test set to Xengine, and it works fine there
2019-11-02 22:03 <djphil> And still not understand why put prim desc in a list :p
2019-11-02 22:03 <Ubit> well if desc is 100
2019-11-02 22:03 <djphil> yes
2019-11-02 22:03 <Ubit> that event runs for 0.05 x 100
2019-11-02 22:03 <BillBlight> that is just where it is pulling a config parameter
2019-11-02 22:04 <Ubit> that is not allowed on stock X
2019-11-02 22:04 <BillBlight> so users don't have to edit he script
2019-11-02 22:04 <djphil> yes yes
2019-11-02 22:04 <djphil> LlGetObjectDesc do the job ... no list needed for that
2019-11-02 22:04 <BillBlight> Well Outreach test is running with Xengine defaults
2019-11-02 22:05 <djphil> my region on X too
2019-11-02 22:05 <BillBlight> script runs fine, and regardless of the timing, don't have t right click it to see it change
2019-11-02 22:07 <Ubit> sniff i lost friday.. was thinking today was friday
2019-11-02 22:31 <osmantis> Bug #8623:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast inside for loop not updating 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8623 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-02 22:51 <osmantis> Bug #8623:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast inside for loop not updating 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8623 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-02 22:58 <BillBlight> Just so you know 80k prims is not "Normal"  LMAO
2019-11-02 22:59 <Tampa> If you say so
2019-11-02 23:06 <djphil> This script no prevent multi clics
2019-11-02 23:55 <djphil> @Tampa: https://pastebin.com/JHJztDau :p
2019-11-02 23:55 <djphil> less memory = less memory  * 1700 :)
2019-11-03 02:17 <osmantis> Bug #8623:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast inside for loop not updating 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8623 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-11-03 03:01 <osmantis> Bug #8623:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast inside for loop not updating 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8623 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2019-11-03 03:47 <osmantis> Bug #8600:04 [LLCLIENTVIEW]: HandleMapItemRequest exception 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8600 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
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2019-11-04 02:10 <ChristophBalhaus> when I TP from my HG 2.0 grid to a HG 1.0 grid, i am able to not only access my suitcase, but every other object in my inventory. shouldn't that be prohibited by hypergrid 2.0 protocol?
2019-11-04 02:49 <danbanner> i just tested HG 2.0 grid to 1.0 and i cant access anything outside of my suitcase
2019-11-04 02:50 <danbanner> maybe you have some kind of misconfiguration?
2019-11-04 02:57 <ChristophBalhaus> hm, it says "    HGInventoryServicePlugin = "HGInventoryService@OpenSim.Services.HypergridService.dll:HGSuitcase$
2019-11-04 02:57 <ChristophBalhaus> " in my robust.ini and i am not aware of any changes that loosen security anywhere ... is there another place where HG 2.0 has to be configured?
2019-11-04 02:57 <ChristophBalhaus> i am on OS 0.9.0.1 on CentOS 6
2019-11-04 03:07 <ChristophBalhaus> and i have:    LocalServiceModule    = "OpenSim.Services.HypergridService.dll:HGSuitcaseInventoryService" ... in robust.ini too
2019-11-04 03:20 <ChristophBalhaus> actually the top level folders are marked (Unavailable), yet the content is accessible. I tried it on Metro and OSGrid
2019-11-04 03:40 <danbanner> what module is uncommented in [HGInventoryService]
2019-11-04 03:40 <ChristophBalhaus>     LocalServiceModule    = "OpenSim.Services.HypergridService.dll:HGSuitcaseInventoryService"
2019-11-04 03:40 <ChristophBalhaus> this one
2019-11-04 03:40 <danbanner> that looks correct
2019-11-04 03:42 <danbanner> i did try on 0.9.1.1 however
2019-11-04 03:42 <danbanner> and with cache cleared logged in and teleported to osgrid and could not open anything outside of my suitcase
2019-11-04 03:43 <ChristophBalhaus> i did not clear the cache, i will try that
2019-11-04 03:43 <danbanner> nor could i pass any objects to anyone
2019-11-04 03:44 <danbanner> objects in the suitcase were accessible as expected
2019-11-04 03:47 <ChristophBalhaus> cleared the viewer cache and back on wright plaza now, all objects are still accessible
2019-11-04 03:49 <ChristophBalhaus> i will upgrade to 0.9.1.0 this week and see if it is solved in that version
2019-11-04 03:51 <ChristophBalhaus> thanks for your help dan
2019-11-04 17:24 <Ubit> of course jenkins dead
2019-11-04 17:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #6556 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-04 17:35 <Ubit> grrr
2019-11-04 17:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #6557 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-04 17:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6557: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6557/
2019-11-04 17:49 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: update libopenmetaverse ( attach points)
2019-11-04 17:50 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: YEngine: fix wrong language detection on some comments in first line
2019-11-04 19:11 <osmantis> Bug #8600:04 [LLCLIENTVIEW]: HandleMapItemRequest exception 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8600 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-04 20:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #6558 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-04 20:18 <djphil> Hmmm hmmm, what that ? :)
2019-11-04 20:18 <Ubit> gezz you had to see :p
2019-11-04 20:19 <djphil> 
ACTION take a look but do not see :p

2019-11-04 20:19 <Ubit> good
2019-11-04 20:19 <Ubit> :p
2019-11-04 20:19 <djphil> ^^
2019-11-04 20:20 <Ubit> but that's it
2019-11-04 20:21 <djphil> Is this a new option ?
2019-11-04 20:21 <Ubit> its what i says :p
2019-11-04 20:21 <djphil> Why do you say "but that's it", you've just started :p
2019-11-04 20:21 <Ubit> and ended 
2019-11-04 20:21 <Ubit> lol
2019-11-04 20:21 <djphil> pffffff
2019-11-04 20:22 <Ubit> it is what the commit tells
2019-11-04 20:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6558: SUCCESS in 4 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6558/
2019-11-04 20:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: dynamic textures: add ' lossless: [true|false] ', default false, extraParam
2019-11-04 20:23 <djphil> I will wait for the update of the wiki then to learn more about this new "extra" param :)
2019-11-04 20:23 <Ubit> osSetDynamicTextureData( "", "vector", CommandList, "width:256,height:256,lossless:true", 0 );
2019-11-04 20:23 <Ubit> test that
2019-11-04 20:24 <djphil> ha oki, cool
2019-11-04 20:24 <Ubit> only if really needed and image is small :)
2019-11-04 20:24 <djphil> like twitter avatar :p
2019-11-04 20:25 <Ubit> till a few months ago all where true
2019-11-04 20:25 <Ubit> i changed to all compressed
2019-11-04 20:25 <Ubit> so giving option back
2019-11-04 20:26 <djphil> And is the display result better with this change?
2019-11-04 20:26 <Ubit> ONLY IF NEEDED :p
2019-11-04 20:26 <Ubit> should be compressed most time
2019-11-04 20:26 <djphil> of course :)
2019-11-04 20:27 <Ubit> but if things get impossible low rez, well
2019-11-04 20:30 <djphil> I will test later because today I finally got windows update and I have to fix several problem with him before. Even Xamp has stopped working properly. php_openssl.dll is broken.
2019-11-05 15:12 <Ubit> damm jenkis died again??
2019-11-05 15:23 <osmantis> Bug #8624:04 Updated delis for macOS 10.15 Catalina 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8624 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-11-05 15:23 <osmantis> Bug #8624:04 Updated dylibs for macOS 10.15 Catalina 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8624 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-11-05 15:25 <osmantis> Bug #8624:04 Updated dylibs for macOS 10.15 Catalina 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8624 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2019-11-05 15:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #6559 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-06 23:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #6560 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-06 23:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6560: SUCCESS in 4 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6560/
2019-11-06 23:46 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: YEngine: fix credits comment
2019-11-06 23:46 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8624: replace native code libs for Mac by ones signed by Geir Nøklebye (Gavin Hird). Ths again Gavin
2019-11-06 23:46 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: handle null refs on llSubStringIndex()
2019-11-07 03:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #6561 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-07 03:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6561: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6561/
2019-11-07 03:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid a null ref
2019-11-07 03:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #6562 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-07 03:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6562: SUCCESS in 4 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6562/
2019-11-07 03:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let autopilot also stand from a object
2019-11-07 05:21 <djphil> @Ubit: Ok, I restored as it was before
2019-11-07 05:21 <Ubit> i also didn't said as before
2019-11-07 05:21 <Ubit> lol
2019-11-07 05:22 <djphil> Well, as I do not understand exactly what you want, I do not touch
2019-11-07 05:23 <Ubit> what part of having new on the things new or changed on 0.9.1.0 you do not understand?
2019-11-07 05:23 <Ubit> ie not on the ones added on 0.9.0.1 or before
2019-11-07 05:24 <Ubit> ( unless changed on 0.9.1.0
2019-11-07 05:24 <djphil> Well I think all the functions with "new" are now in 0.9.1.0 Release ... but apparently I'm wrong
2019-11-07 05:26 <djphil> This is not 100% clear for me so I prefer not to change and let you do it right when you have the opportunity
2019-11-07 05:27 <djphil> Anyway you know it's a lot better than me :)
2019-11-07 05:27 <Ubit> ok ty
2019-11-07 05:27 <djphil> I tried to do but I was wrong, sorry
2019-11-07 05:32 <djphil> If dan passes me the lsl.php files from genshi, I can take care of completing it to have correct hightlight for all functions. Many are not present. This file has not been updated for a long time I think ...
2019-11-07 05:40 <djphil> @Ubit: i try OsDetectedCountry and OsGetAgentCountry on Dev Outreach but neither of them works. Both return an empty string
2019-11-07 05:40 <Ubit> need db side set
2019-11-07 05:43 <Ubit> ie grid side
2019-11-07 05:43 <Ubit> rl cya
2019-11-07 15:02 <Ubit> dj made same changes on wiki
2019-11-07 15:02 <Ubit> uff never good that thing..
2019-11-07 15:11 <djphil> Only modified all XEngine to OSSL :p
2019-11-07 15:25 <Ubit> me?
2019-11-07 15:25 <Ubit> cnhaged the new 
2019-11-07 15:25 <Ubit> and the dyn textures again
2019-11-07 15:25 <djphil> yeah i have see that
2019-11-07 20:02 <BillBlight> Curren state personal interactions ...
2019-11-07 20:02 <BillBlight> Dev: Don't do the thing, that thing will break other things!
2019-11-07 20:02 <BillBlight> Them: OK!
2019-11-07 20:02 <BillBlight> <---15 Minutes Later --->
2019-11-07 20:02 <BillBlight> Them: HEY WTF everything is busted!!
2019-11-07 20:02 <BillBlight> Dev: You did the thing didn't You?!?!?!
2019-11-07 20:02 <BillBlight> Them: Ummmm Yeah...
2019-11-07 20:02 <BillBlight> Dev: **FACEPALM**
2019-11-07 20:04 <Ubit> normal opensim day life
2019-11-07 20:04 <Ubit> :)
2019-11-07 20:10 <Ubit> good users aren't like that apolo 13 guy that place a postit "Don't press this btn"
2019-11-07 20:10 <Ubit> users would press it imediatly..
2019-11-07 20:11 <Ubit> oops when did the service module went with the guys ?
2019-11-07 20:40 <Ubit> ..where..
2019-11-07 22:15 <osmantis> Bug #8081:04 [XEngine] DoOnRezScriptQueue Could not load file or assembly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8081 ): has been REOPENED.
2019-11-07 22:24 <osmantis> Bug #8081:04 [XEngine] DoOnRezScriptQueue Could not load file or assembly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8081 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2019-11-08 02:56 <Ubit> and osmantis went on holidays as i answered that :)
2019-11-08 09:15 <osmantis> Bug #8081:04 [XEngine] DoOnRezScriptQueue Could not load file or assembly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8081 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-08 17:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #6563 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-08 17:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6563: SUCCESS in 4 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6563/
2019-11-08 17:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
2019-11-08 20:30 <osmantis> Bug #8625:04 Scripts not compiling ( nor working) after installing 9.1.1 for the 1st time ( prev 9.0 ) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8625 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-11-08 20:38 <osmantis> Bug #8625:04 Scripts not compiling ( nor working) after installing 9.1.1 for the 1st time ( prev 9.0 ) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8625 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-08 20:56 <osmantis> Bug #8625:04 Scripts not compiling ( nor working) after installing 9.1.1 for the 1st time ( prev 9.0 ) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8625 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-08 21:00 <osmantis> Bug #8081:04 [XEngine] DoOnRezScriptQueue Could not load file or assembly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8081 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-08 21:08 <osmantis> Bug #8081:04 [XEngine] DoOnRezScriptQueue Could not load file or assembly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8081 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-08 21:08 <osmantis> Bug #8081:04 [XEngine] DoOnRezScriptQueue Could not load file or assembly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8081 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-11-08 21:19 <osmantis> Bug #8625:04 Scripts not compiling ( nor working) after installing 9.1.1 for the 1st time ( prev 9.0 ) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8625 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-11-09 01:58 <osmantis> Bug #8625:04 Scripts not compiling ( nor working) after installing 9.1.1 for the 1st time ( prev 9.0 ) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8625 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-09 01:59 <osmantis> Bug #8625:04 Scripts not compiling ( nor working) after installing 9.1.1 for the 1st time ( prev 9.0 ) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8625 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-09 02:00 <osmantis> Bug #8625:04 Scripts not compiling ( nor working) after installing 9.1.1 for the 1st time ( prev 9.0 ) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8625 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-11-09 22:50 <Tampa> @BillBlight there are two infinites, the universe and human stupidity
2019-11-09 23:03 <BillBlight> "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about th’universe!"
2019-11-09 23:09 <Ubit> so psico you 2
2019-11-09 23:09 <Ubit> and my terraform changes  yeackk
2019-11-09 23:10 <Tampa> Whatcha break this time?
2019-11-09 23:10 <Ubit> no one did notice it is broken? :p
2019-11-09 23:10 <Ubit> guess for ages
2019-11-09 23:11 <Ubit> since old old viewer changes
2019-11-09 23:11 <Tampa> It works.. sort of though, I mean it behaves completely erratic sometimes, but I don't have "trouble" with that specifically
2019-11-09 23:12 <Tampa> Then again, it is much easier and smoother to edit heightmaps in gimp or earthsculptor
2019-11-09 23:12 <Tampa> Though if you want to fix that all the more power to you, maybe you can make raw upload and download faster too lol
2019-11-09 23:13 <Tampa> I wonder if that could be tricked into accepting png, must be viewerside I guess
2019-11-09 23:18 <Tampa> Btw the wiki reports serverinfo, may want to disable that so people can't target it for security flaws
2019-11-09 23:21 <Ubit> oops oops
2019-11-09 23:21 <Ubit> made a babel tower
2019-11-09 23:59 <Ubit> 
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2019-11-09 23:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #6564 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-10 00:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6564: FAILURE in 1 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6564/
2019-11-10 00:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: terraforming changes: make sliders work, remove some brushs, etc. Feedback needed (run prebuild)
2019-11-10 00:02 <Tampa> Is there a mantis for this to actually give feedback on?
2019-11-10 00:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #6565 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6563 1 day 6 hr ago)
2019-11-10 00:04 <Ubit> already thinking on mantis without testing gezz
2019-11-10 00:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6565: STILL FAILING in 2 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6565/
2019-11-10 00:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: terraforming changes: missing file
2019-11-10 00:06 <Ubit> well tests
2019-11-10 00:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #6566 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #6563 1 day 7 hr ago)
2019-11-10 00:52 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-11-10 00:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6566: FIXED in 4 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6566/
2019-11-10 00:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: terraforming changes: make jenkis happy
2019-11-10 00:53 <Ubit> ok jenkins is happy, users never happy of course
2019-11-10 01:21 <Tampa> no new warnings though
2019-11-10 02:10 <Ubit> and does anything?
2019-11-10 02:22 <Tampa> I am kinda busy with something else at the moment
2019-11-10 02:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #6567 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-11-10 02:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6567: SUCCESS in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6567/
2019-11-10 02:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: terraforming changes: support selected parcel edit; fix area smooth
2019-11-10 02:53 <Tampa> I have prim snapback you know when you scale them and they snap back into their previous size without network packet loss, kinda odd
2019-11-10 02:54 <Tampa> Trying to determine why it only seems to happen to prims larger than 20meters
2019-11-10 02:56 <Ubit> did scale a nimitz carrier to real size 2 nights ago :)
2019-11-10 02:57 <Tampa> Well I scaled this prim three times now from 12x25x1 to 14x25x1 and it snapped back again, no "resend packets" on console
2019-11-10 02:59 <Ubit> gezz i don't have guinnea pigs
2019-11-10 02:59 <Ubit> dj ?
2019-11-10 03:00 <Ubit> well if it was dynamic textures dj would be testing already :)
2019-11-10 03:02 <Tampa> oink
2019-11-10 04:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #6568 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-10 04:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6568: SUCCESS in 4 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6568/
2019-11-10 04:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: terraforming changes: comment a debug message
2019-11-10 11:58 <djphil> You talk about terraforming Ubit ?
2019-11-10 18:45 <Ubit> yes dj i did changed a few things on it
2019-11-10 18:49 <djphil> I do not play often with terraforming so I can not compare before/after
2019-11-10 18:51 <Ubit> ok
2019-11-10 19:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #6569 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-10 19:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6569: SUCCESS in 4 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6569/
2019-11-10 19:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: SIO_UDP_CONNRESET should work on macs now, thx Gavin
2019-11-10 21:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #6570 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-10 21:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6570: SUCCESS in 4 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6570/
2019-11-10 21:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: terraforming changes: try recover llmodifyland previus behaviur
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2019-11-11 08:22 <osmantis> Bug #8624:04 Updated dylibs for macOS 10.15 Catalina 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8624 ): has been CLOSED
2019-11-11 12:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #6571 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-11 12:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6571: FAILURE in 1 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6571/
2019-11-11 12:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Yengine: we also need to cancel timer events in queue, because some bad scripts that do work on X
2019-11-11 12:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #6572 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6570 15 hr ago)
2019-11-11 12:59 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-11-11 12:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6572: FIXED in 4 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6572/
2019-11-11 12:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file, of course
2019-11-11 13:25 <Tampa> Better missing a file than missing Kyle heh
2019-11-11 13:35 <Tampa> Has anyone seen anything regarding the libgdiplus updates breaking anything? It's been updated in the latest mono version
2019-11-11 13:36 <Tampa> Also the next release will bring net4.8 out as well
2019-11-12 03:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #6573 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-11-12 03:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6573: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6573/
2019-11-12 03:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: more changes on terrain edit. Silent ignore comand if busy  (large area smooth can take ages), brush changes, etc
2019-11-12 12:12 <osmantis> Bug #8610:04 OpenSim.Server.Base.ServerUtils [SERVER UTILS]: Error loading plugin 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-12 12:15 <osmantis> Bug #8610:04 OpenSim.Server.Base.ServerUtils [SERVER UTILS]: Error loading plugin 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-12 16:00 <osmantis> Bug #8610:04 OpenSim.Server.Base.ServerUtils [SERVER UTILS]: Error loading plugin 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-12 18:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #6574 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-12 18:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6574: FAILURE in 2 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6574/
2019-11-12 18:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: terrain replace double by float
2019-11-12 18:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #6575 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6573 15 hr ago)
2019-11-12 18:29 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-11-12 18:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6575: FIXED in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6575/
2019-11-12 18:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missed a few
2019-11-12 22:27 <osmantis> Bug #8626:04 When specifying region to login, user will sometimes land in a region with similar name. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8626 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-11-12 22:37 <osmantis> Bug #8626:04 When specifying region to login, user will sometimes land in a region with similar name. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8626 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-11-12 22:38 <osmantis> Bug #8626:04 When specifying region to login, user will sometimes land in a region with similar name. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8626 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-11-13 07:48 <osmantis> Bug #8627:04 YEngine gives reference error for logic == expressions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8627 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-11-13 07:56 <osmantis> Bug #8627:04 YEngine gives reference error for logic == expressions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8627 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-11-13 08:05 <osmantis> Bug #8627:04 YEngine gives reference error for logic == expressions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8627 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-11-13 08:24 <osmantis> Bug #8627:04 YEngine gives reference error for logic == expressions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8627 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-11-13 12:15 <osmantis> Bug #8627:04 YEngine gives reference error for logic == expressions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8627 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-13 12:30 <Melanie_T> lsusb
2019-11-13 12:41 <Tampa> -bash: lsusb: command not found
2019-11-13 12:53 <osmantis> Bug #8627:04 YEngine gives reference error for logic == expressions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8627 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-13 12:56 <osmantis> Bug #8627:04 YEngine gives reference error for logic == expressions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8627 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-13 12:59 <Tampa> while(TRUE) I get, but if(TRUE) 
2019-11-13 12:59 <Tampa> That just... no
2019-11-13 12:59 <Tampa> That offends me
2019-11-13 14:33 <osmantis> Bug #8623:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast inside for loop not updating 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8623 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-13 14:34 <Tampa> We lost a Ubit
2019-11-13 18:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #6576 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-11-13 18:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6576: SUCCESS in 4 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6576/
2019-11-13 18:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Reduce Max region size to 4096m
2019-11-13 18:24 <osmantis> Bug #8627:04 YEngine gives reference error for logic == expressions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8627 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-13 18:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #6577 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-13 18:49 <PiusNoel> various terrain commands no longer work (e.g. terrain fill, terrain rescale, terrain elevate). seen this on Linux.
2019-11-13 18:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6577: SUCCESS in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6577/
2019-11-13 18:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: limit max number of attachments to 38. All can be on same point
2019-11-13 18:50 <Ubit> they seem fine on my  linux
2019-11-13 18:51 <Ubit> and, brush, area or parcel or all ?
2019-11-13 18:51 <Ubit> did you run runprebuid.. ?
2019-11-13 18:53 <PiusNoel> brush was fine... area I don't know. only seen problems in the console. I'll test further and write a Mantis if needed.
2019-11-13 18:53 <PiusNoel> yes, I did run prebuild 
2019-11-13 18:53 <Ubit> what problems on console?
2019-11-13 18:56 <Ubit> terrain fill 21
2019-11-13 18:56 <Ubit> errr not here grrr
2019-11-13 18:56 <Ubit> ok see it
2019-11-13 18:57 <PiusNoel> after checkout to bd9f6a it worked... let me first checkout to master and test again 
2019-11-13 18:57 <Ubit> i see the error
2019-11-13 18:58 <PiusNoel> good :)
2019-11-13 18:58 <Ubit> good, you are assuming i can fix it ;)
2019-11-13 18:59 <PiusNoel> I've seen it by accident, because I just did some db testing and needed some terrain changes
2019-11-13 19:00 <Ubit> yeah its still more double things
2019-11-13 19:01 <Ubit> of course we all needed terrain heights with 15 digits..
2019-11-13 19:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #6578 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-13 19:57 <Ubit> should work now Pius
2019-11-13 19:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6578: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6578/
2019-11-13 19:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Terrain: more double to float
2019-11-13 21:07 <osmantis> Bug #8627:04 YEngine gives reference error for logic == expressions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8627 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-13 23:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #6579 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-13 23:29 <osmantis> Bug #8627:04 YEngine gives reference error for logic == expressions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8627 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-13 23:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6579: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6579/
2019-11-13 23:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8627: handle the case constant compareOp constant on Yengine
2019-11-14 06:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #6580 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-14 06:38 <osmantis> Bug #8626:04 When specifying region to login, user will sometimes land in a region with similar name. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8626 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-14 06:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6580: SUCCESS in 5 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6580/
2019-11-14 06:40 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Attempt to fix the issue where, when logging into the grid, the user supplies a region name, but instead of going to the specific region, they are sent to a region "Like" the one specified.
2019-11-14 06:40 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Complete PostGres from previous commit - (Not Tested)
2019-11-14 06:40 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: work on previus 2 patchs
2019-11-14 06:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #6581 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-14 06:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6581: SUCCESS in 5 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6581/
2019-11-14 06:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update contributors
2019-11-14 07:09 <PiusNoel> @Ubit: terrain console commands are ok now. thank you.
2019-11-14 07:09 <Ubit> good, ty
2019-11-14 08:31 <osmantis> Bug #8627:04 YEngine gives reference error for logic == expressions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8627 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-14 08:32 <osmantis> Bug #8627:04 YEngine gives reference error for logic == expressions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8627 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-11-14 12:44 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Crash when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-11-14 12:45 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Crash when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-11-14 12:48 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Crash when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-11-14 13:58 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Crash when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-14 14:05 <Tampa> aka I cannot reproduce so far
2019-11-14 14:06 <Tampa> How would that even work, it uses the full address for the region it cannot confuse one with the other
2019-11-14 14:07 <Ubit> viewers are made for sl.. region names are unique there
2019-11-14 14:07 <Ubit> who knows..
2019-11-14 14:08 <Ubit> but kinda new report
2019-11-14 14:08 <Ubit> guess a lot of "welcome" regions every
2019-11-14 14:09 <Tampa> That too given most grids name it Welcome so it would have already failed more often unless you recently changed anything there which I don't think you did
2019-11-14 14:10 <Ubit> hope he does have dif uuids on those regions :)
2019-11-14 14:11 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Crash when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-14 14:12 <Tampa> Do you still have your test regions in osg? Got a name and uuid I can try?
2019-11-14 14:15 <Tampa> Ubit?
2019-11-14 14:15 <Ubit> no
2019-11-14 14:16 <Ubit> have them on my testgrid down now
2019-11-14 14:16 <Ubit> make a LBSA :p
2019-11-14 14:16 <Ubit> Lbsa Plaza
2019-11-14 14:17 <Ubit> or dev outreach
2019-11-14 14:17 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Crash when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-14 14:21 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Crash when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-14 14:23 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Crash when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-14 14:25 <Tampa> Interesting, I thought that would work regardless, but I guess it rightfully assumes it's the same region huh
2019-11-14 14:26 <Ubit> i did tp from osg to my local
2019-11-14 14:26 <Ubit> back.. not really :)
2019-11-14 14:27 <Tampa> The errors he is seeing is a timeout though so it has either broken circuit or lost connection because the tp itself completes
2019-11-14 14:27 <Ubit> well seems time dep also
2019-11-14 14:28 <Tampa> There is quite a bit of network overload in the US it seems they are battling it out again or something, got reports today of long ping times from all machines over there
2019-11-14 14:28 <Ubit> now worked
2019-11-14 14:28 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Crash when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-14 14:30 <Ubit> yeah now worded bothways fine
2019-11-14 14:31 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Crash when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-14 14:32 <Tampa> The 60000ms timeout should regardless not cause a viewer crash at more a disconnect logout message
2019-11-14 14:33 <Ubit> looked a very fast fail
2019-11-14 14:33 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Crash when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-14 14:34 <Ubit> same location can be a issue
2019-11-14 14:34 <Ubit> file lock
2019-11-14 14:34 <Ubit> those viewer file names should be by uuid not stupid location
2019-11-14 14:35 <Ubit> ok not it worked fine for me
2019-11-14 14:35 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Crash when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-14 14:36 <Ubit> well but viewer do use location as handler
2019-11-14 14:37 <Ubit> well i had fail btw 2 osgrid regions
2019-11-14 14:37 <Tampa> Hm
2019-11-14 14:37 <Tampa> the hop links just teleport me inside the region they dont initiate hg for me
2019-11-14 14:53 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Crash when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-14 14:55 <Tampa> There he is, that makes testing and debugging a lot easier :)
2019-11-14 14:55 <Ai_Austin> yup :-)
2019-11-14 14:55 <Ai_Austin> Odd one.
2019-11-14 14:56 <Ai_Austin> I am wondering if this might be a temporary OSGrid glitch. I will name a region Far North on my expt AiLand grid and try between there and Openvue.. but that is the sort of test Tampa just kindly did
2019-11-14 14:56 <Ubit> same location is kinda scary
2019-11-14 14:57 <Tampa> Well same location and same UUID just doesn't work at all, just teleports inside the region
2019-11-14 14:57 <Ubit> for viewers location is a region ID, and uses it for the cache files
2019-11-14 14:57 <Ubit> there may happen file locking issues
2019-11-14 14:57 <Tampa> Same name seems fine to me so far no crashes
2019-11-14 14:57 <Ubit> but that could mean lost prims not tp fails ????
2019-11-14 14:58 <Ai_Austin> Well, I definitey am reusing the x,y location.. but surely that has always worked fine.  we have lots like that - even a lot at default 1000,1000
2019-11-14 14:58 <Ubit> yeah had a fail, then worked
2019-11-14 14:58 <Ubit> then had a fail on osg to osg also :)
2019-11-14 14:58 <Ubit> yes.. but we now have voc
2019-11-14 14:58 <Ai_Austin> I just tried a region I have not tested "Edinburgh North" between OSGrid and openvue and as for the other two it immediately crashed the viewer
2019-11-14 14:58 <Tampa> Just tried vue to osg and I got a logout, no crash though
2019-11-14 14:59 <Ubit> and timing thins.. may happen. may not
2019-11-14 14:59 <Ubit> guess easy fix viewer, if anyone did care
2019-11-14 14:59 <Ai_Austin> Ah, now what do you mean by logout and crash... I think I mean enforced logout where viewer goes to its B&W screen.  it  does not exit until you hit "Quit"
2019-11-14 15:00 <Ubit> you need to see viewer logs on that
2019-11-14 15:00 <Tampa> crash aka program closes
2019-11-14 15:00 <Ubit> its viewer mess
2019-11-14 15:00 <Ai_Austin> Okay.. I was using crash to mean the viewer goe sinto its B&W mode Tampa
2019-11-14 15:03 <Ai_Austin> In Firestor.log I see sme of these near the final lines - I assume as it crashed
2019-11-14 15:04 <Ai_Austin> 2019-11-14T14:57:20Z WARNING #CoreHTTP#  llmessage/llcorehttputil.cpp(282) LLCoreHttpUtil::HttpCoroHandler::onCompleted : Possible failure [Http_502] cannot POST url 'http://shetland.aiai.ed.ac.uk:9010/CAPS/EQG/82306a16-c3d3-40b6-9594-7030ed2d0008/' because Bad Gateway
2019-11-14 15:04 <Ubit> not that
2019-11-14 15:06 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Crash when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-14 15:07 <Tampa> I attached full log from what I just did to get a logout vue to osg maybe Ubit can find something in there
2019-11-14 15:07 <Ubit> outch
2019-11-14 15:08 <Ubit>  FPS: 502.20 gezzz
2019-11-14 15:08 <Ubit> why do u what that?
2019-11-14 15:08 <Ubit> lol
2019-11-14 15:08 <Ubit> put some limit on that 
2019-11-14 15:08 <Ubit> 500 fps on a 60hz monitor?
2019-11-14 15:09 <Ubit> ( and not a action game..)
2019-11-14 15:10 <Ubit> 2019-11-14T15:02:09Z WARNING #  newview/llvocache.cpp(1529) LLVOCache::writeToCache : Skipping write to cache for handle 9948381210433792: cache not dirty
2019-11-14 15:10 <Ubit> no lock issues
2019-11-14 15:11 <Ai_Austin> I  see mentioned of the two hosts...  Shetland.aiai.ed.ac.uk (129.215.219.85 the OSGrid OpenSim.exe instance) and struay.aiai.ed.ac.uk (129.215.219.86 the Openvue OpenSim.exe instance)
2019-11-14 15:11 <Ai_Austin> 2019-11-14T15:02:08Z WARNING #  newview/llworld.cpp(545) LLWorld::addRegion : LLWorld::addRegion exists, but old host 129.215.219.86:9010 does not match new host 129.215.219.85:9012, removing old region and creating new
2019-11-14 15:12 <Ai_Austin> that's what I would wexpect… these from ta,pa's log
2019-11-14 15:12 <Ubit> 2019-11-14T15:02:08Z WARNING #  newview/llworld.cpp(545) LLWorld::addRegion : LLWorld::addRegion exists, but old host 129.215.219.86:9010 does not match new host 129.215.219.85:9012, removing old region and creating new
2019-11-14 15:13 <Ubit> thats good.. i think
2019-11-14 15:13 <Ai_Austin> that is correct I believe
2019-11-14 15:13 <Ai_Austin> problems seem to sgart here..
2019-11-14 15:13 <Ai_Austin> WARNING #CoreHTTP#  llmessage/llcorehttputil.cpp(282) LLCoreHttpUtil::HttpCoroHandler::onCompleted : Possible failure [Http_502] cannot POST url 'http://virtual1.aiai.ed.ac.uk:9000/CAPS/EQG/38294560-d4a2-49e3-bd19-d0749f1b4c1a/' because Bad Gateway
2019-11-14 15:13 <Ubit> 2019-11-14T15:02:08Z WARNING #  newview/lltoastalertpanel.cpp(184) LLToastAlertPanel::LLToastAlertPanel : Alert: You have been logged out of ZetaWorlds.
2019-11-14 15:13 <Ubit> You have been disconnected from the region you were in.
2019-11-14 15:14 <Ubit> forget those stupid msgs.. thats viewer crap
2019-11-14 15:14 <Ubit> 2019-11-14T15:02:08Z WARNING #  newview/llworld.cpp(708) LLWorld::removeRegion : Disabling region Far North that agent is in!
2019-11-14 15:14 <Ubit> 2019-11-14T15:02:08Z WARNING #  newview/lltoastalertpanel.cpp(184) LLToastAlertPanel::LLToastAlertPanel : Alert: You have been logged out of ZetaWorlds.
2019-11-14 15:14 <Ubit> You have been disconnected from the region you were in.
2019-11-14 15:15 <Ai_Austin> virtual1.aiai.ed.ac.uk is struay.aiai.ed.ac.uk = 129.215.219.86
2019-11-14 15:15 <Ai_Austin> C:\Users\bat>nslookup 129.215.219.86
2019-11-14 15:15 <Ai_Austin> Server:  cache1.service.virginmedia.net
2019-11-14 15:15 <Ai_Austin> Address:  194.168.4.100
2019-11-14 15:15 <Ai_Austin> Name:    struay.aiai.ed.ac.uk
2019-11-14 15:15 <Ai_Austin> Address:  129.215.219.86
2019-11-14 15:15 <Ai_Austin> C:\Users\bat>nslookup virtual1.aiai.ed.ac.uk
2019-11-14 15:15 <Ai_Austin> Server:  cache1.service.virginmedia.net
2019-11-14 15:15 <Ubit> this seems the issue
2019-11-14 15:15 <Ai_Austin> Address:  194.168.4.100
2019-11-14 15:15 <Ai_Austin> Non-authoritative answer:
2019-11-14 15:15 <Ai_Austin> Name:    struay.aiai.ed.ac.uk
2019-11-14 15:15 <Ai_Austin> Address:  129.215.219.86
2019-11-14 15:15 <Ai_Austin> Aliases:  virtual1.aiai.ed.ac.uk
2019-11-14 15:16 <Ai_Austin> I see the equivalent on each of my logs
2019-11-14 15:16 <Ai_Austin> 2019-11-14T14:57:18Z WARNING #  newview/llworld.cpp(708) LLWorld::removeRegion : Disabling region Edinburgh North that agent is in!
2019-11-14 15:16 <Ai_Austin> 2019-11-14T14:57:18Z WARNING #  newview/lltoastalertpanel.cpp(184) LLToastAlertPanel::LLToastAlertPanel : Alert: You have been logged out of OSGrid.
2019-11-14 15:20 <Ai_Austin> But my log then carries on looking like its doing things in new region.
2019-11-14 15:21 <Ai_Austin> But by then viewer has logged out I assume
2019-11-14 15:21 <Ubit> no idea :(
2019-11-14 15:21 <Ubit> things are async, can go until finding "oops im dead"
2019-11-14 15:22 <Ai_Austin> I am uploading my log of Openvue to OSGrid crash as a comparison.. pretty similar to tampa's but might offer an alternative handle
2019-11-14 15:23 <Ai_Austin> Uploaded as Ai-Austin-Firestorm.log
2019-11-14 15:24 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Crash when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-14 15:24 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Crash when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-11-14 15:27 <Ai_Austin> Why are there Bad gateway errors... it should all be fine via the firewalls etc.
2019-11-14 15:28 <Ai_Austin> 2019-11-14T14:55:48Z WARNING #CoreHttp#  llcorehttp/_httppolicy.cpp(434) LLCore::HttpPolicy::stageAfterCompletion : HTTP request 000002336D668060 failed after 0 retries.  Reason:  Bad Gateway (Http_502)
2019-11-14 15:28 <Ai_Austin> 2019-11-14T14:55:47Z WARNING #CoreHTTP#  llmessage/llcorehttputil.cpp(282) LLCoreHttpUtil::HttpCoroHandler::onCompleted : Possible failure [Http_502] cannot POST url 'http://shetland.aiai.ed.ac.uk:9010/CAPS/EQG/b6518d06-4cd9-4223-9526-9d797760a37c/' because Bad Gateway
2019-11-14 15:29 <Ubit> again== i told you to ignore those stupid "because Bad Gateway"
2019-11-14 15:29 <Ai_Austin> okay...  :-) 
2019-11-14 15:29 <Ai_Austin> Ai - slaps his wrist
2019-11-14 15:30 <Ubit> other also
2019-11-14 15:30 <Ubit> :)
2019-11-14 15:30 <Ai_Austin> ouch
2019-11-14 15:30 <Ubit> :)
2019-11-14 15:31 <Ubit> well have bad weather here.. power fails.. net fails
2019-11-14 15:33 <Ai_Austin> Sorry to hear that Ubit… it sems to be bad in many places.. like Venice too.,  I was in Yorkshire until Sunday where there have been, and still are, lots of serious flood this week.
2019-11-14 15:34 <osmantis> Bug #8627:04 YEngine gives reference error for logic == expressions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8627 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-14 15:35 <Ubit> well its bad weather time
2019-11-14 15:35 <Ubit> and not exceptionaly bad
2019-11-14 15:35 <Ubit> lines here are just crap
2019-11-14 15:36 <Ubit> and maintnance means  repair only when broken
2019-11-14 22:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #6582 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-14 22:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6582: SUCCESS in 4 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6582/
2019-11-14 22:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make attachments WearReplacesAll option visible
2019-11-15 20:38 <Plugh> Is there a limit to the size of scripts in 0.9.1? A user is reporting "out of memory errors from /usr/bin/mcs yet there is plenty of memory available on the computer.
2019-11-15 20:39 <Plugh> hm... I think that was from a different machine where their memory is tight.
2019-11-15 21:08 <AliciaRaven2> Plugh, checked stack size? ulimit -s 262144
2019-11-15 21:09 <AliciaRaven> can be memory issues but usualy they throw a SIGSEV exception if its that
2019-11-15 21:56 <Plugh> It was a memory issue. The person started a testgrid on the wrong machine that has little free RAM available. :P
2019-11-16 22:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #6583 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-16 22:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6583: SUCCESS in 4 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6583/
2019-11-16 22:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove some llUDP options
2019-11-16 22:51 <Melanie_> hey Ubit! Did someone give you a mop and bucket? you're doing loads of cleanup :)
2019-11-16 22:52 <Ubit> :)
2019-11-16 22:52 <Ubit> i do it now and then
2019-11-16 22:53 <Melanie_> those throttles had a reason once
2019-11-16 22:53 <Ubit> well i should to it to my home.. but details
2019-11-16 22:53 <Ubit> yes they had...
2019-11-16 22:53 <Melanie_> they were settings so we could find the optimal values without recompile
2019-11-16 22:53 <Melanie_> i doubt many people remember them
2019-11-16 22:53 <Ubit> yes but they are viewer side decisions
2019-11-16 22:54 <Melanie_> they weren't back then
2019-11-16 22:54 <Melanie_> i mean, the viewer always thought so
2019-11-16 22:54 <Ubit> yeah, so the cleanup :)
2019-11-16 22:54 <Melanie_> we just ignored that and had configs
2019-11-16 22:54 <Melanie_> the viewer wasn't well understood then
2019-11-16 22:55 <Ubit> those setting do work until viewer tells what it wants
2019-11-16 22:55 <Ubit> better be conservative till then
2019-11-16 22:58 <Ubit> damm viewers misplace things on their piprlines if we send 2 much  grrr
2019-11-16 22:58 <Ubit> do ack etc.. then.. poff lose the things
2019-11-16 23:00 <Melanie_> no idea
2019-11-16 23:00 <Melanie_> btw, i believe we have an audio regression
2019-11-16 23:00 <Melanie_> i fixed that once in avination
2019-11-16 23:00 <Ubit> audio ?
2019-11-16 23:01 <Melanie_> the viewer requests only one audio asset at a time for the viewer pops and clicks
2019-11-16 23:01 <Ubit> we are missing a update on that ?
2019-11-16 23:01 <Melanie_> footsteps, etc
2019-11-16 23:01 <Ubit> sound ?
2019-11-16 23:01 <Melanie_> not script requested audio that takes a different path
2019-11-16 23:02 <Melanie_> if that audio asset request is neither fulfilled nor nack-ed the viewer will not request any more "internal" audio
2019-11-16 23:02 <Melanie_> so when you install a clean new viewer and never go to SL
2019-11-16 23:02 <Ubit> yeah they give up fast on sounds
2019-11-16 23:02 <Melanie_> each time you run the viewer, 1 or more sounds get downloaded
2019-11-16 23:02 <Melanie_> but eventually it stops
2019-11-16 23:02 <Melanie_> you have to relog about 10 or so times to get all the UI sounds
2019-11-16 23:03 <Ubit> yeack
2019-11-16 23:03 <Melanie_> and i find that the "ding" for logout keeps getting lost
2019-11-16 23:03 <Melanie_> i fixed it in avn by making sore to ack every sound request
2019-11-16 23:03 <Melanie_> even failed ones
2019-11-16 23:03 <Ubit> well first thing we need to check is viewers didn't changed those UUIDs again..
2019-11-16 23:03 <Melanie_> it seems that got broken
2019-11-16 23:04 <Melanie_> we should always to repond to every sound request
2019-11-16 23:04 <Melanie_> even if it fails
2019-11-16 23:04 <Ubit> those will be http soon also
2019-11-16 23:04 <Melanie_> dropping it on the floor will stop the pipeline
2019-11-16 23:04 <Melanie_> we still need to support older viewers
2019-11-16 23:04 <Ubit> thats for now is lludp assets
2019-11-16 23:04 <Melanie_> as still not everyone (me included) wants the v3 UI
2019-11-16 23:05 <Ubit> UI as no big relation to rest of viewer now
2019-11-16 23:05 <Melanie_> there still isn't a sane, productivity oriented UI based on v3
2019-11-16 23:06 <Ubit> v1 UI viewers have v3 guts on a lot of places
2019-11-16 23:06 <Melanie_> maybe so
2019-11-16 23:06 <Melanie_> but, onw simple thing, for instance
2019-11-16 23:06 <Ubit> wlel or will not work at sl
2019-11-16 23:06 <Melanie_> a maker/builder usually doesn't communicate mauch
2019-11-16 23:06 <Melanie_> for someone who has few IMs open, tabs on the left are a bad thing
2019-11-16 23:06 <Melanie_> they waste screen space
2019-11-16 23:07 <Melanie_> tabs on top would be better for that situation
2019-11-16 23:07 <Ubit> lol i have all ui sounds cut off :)
2019-11-16 23:07 <Melanie_> sme viewers now lack the toggle to put them back on top
2019-11-16 23:07 <Ubit> but working for me at lbsa
2019-11-16 23:07 <Melanie_> because since a lot of people lose their place in a long line, theyhave gotten in the habit of making chats tall and narrow
2019-11-16 23:07 <Ubit> well the click one
2019-11-16 23:07 <Melanie_> rather than short and fat
2019-11-16 23:08 <Melanie_> anyway, not going to rant about UI now
2019-11-16 23:08 <Ubit> yeah ui not a issue on this
2019-11-16 23:08 <Melanie_> the system sounds are cached very aggressively
2019-11-16 23:08 <Melanie_> much longer than normal assets
2019-11-16 23:09 <Ubit> i do hear the click one :)
2019-11-16 23:10 <Ubit> think we do have those on every region even
2019-11-16 23:11 <Ubit> just a damm pain.. viewers keep changing those things uuid
2019-11-16 23:11 <Ubit> no idea why
2019-11-16 23:12 <Ubit> they also give up on animations
2019-11-16 23:12 <Ubit> grr
2019-11-16 23:17 <Ubit> ll did claimed to had removed all lludp assets fetch
2019-11-16 23:17 <Ubit> so any viewer will need to do it via http
2019-11-16 23:18 <Ubit> but i see fs 6.3.x getting even texutues via lludp AND http
2019-11-16 23:18 <Ubit> gerrr
2019-11-16 23:18 <Ubit> hope no the same :)
2019-11-16 23:20 <Ubit> well the cap to do all is in code, just disabled on config
2019-11-16 23:20 <Ubit> bc fs 6.0.2 does it wrong
2019-11-16 23:20 <Ubit> another AS IS the got into opensim
2019-11-16 23:21 <Ubit> at sl that cap is same CDN url all across the grid
2019-11-16 23:26 <Melanie_> fs is not the measure of all things
2019-11-16 23:52 <Ubit> yeah but the most used
2019-11-17 00:05 <Ubit> whne dan fired lbsa with that cap on, lots of ppl crying.. i can't danceee
2019-11-17 00:05 <Ubit> :)
2019-11-17 06:41 -!- ChristophBalhaus(~Christoph@h2516096.stratoserver.net) has left #opensim-dev
2019-11-17 11:53 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Crash when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-17 13:01 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Crash when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-17 13:06 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Crash when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-17 13:18 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Crash when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-17 15:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #6584 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-17 15:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6584: SUCCESS in 5 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6584/
2019-11-17 15:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: terrain: make sure modify does get unblocked
2019-11-17 17:06 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Crash when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-17 17:07 <Tampa> I really hate intermittent issues like this one
2019-11-17 18:41 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Crash when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-17 21:03 <diva_> hi. It looks like mautils.exe has stopped working. It's asking for a non-existing Mono.Addins version
2019-11-17 21:04 <diva_> I see that the mono addins dlls wer replaced about a year ago, so something went wrong there...
2019-11-17 21:04 <diva_> I guess I'm the only one using mautils
2019-11-17 21:04 <Ubit> hi
2019-11-17 21:04 <diva_> hi :)
2019-11-17 21:04 <Ubit> guess so :)
2019-11-17 21:04 <diva_> do you remember how you got the mono addins dlls? Did you compile them separately?
2019-11-17 21:04 <Ubit> looking
2019-11-17 21:05 <Ubit> yeap have it here
2019-11-17 21:05 <diva_> ok. not sure what could have gone wrong. Maybe you committed the new dlls but the old mautils exe?
2019-11-17 21:05 <Ubit> possible
2019-11-17 21:06 <Ubit> don't see created even
2019-11-17 21:06 <diva_> cos I see that mautils.exe was also updated at the same time
2019-11-17 21:06 <Ubit> it was?
2019-11-17 21:06 <diva_> that's what I see in the log
2019-11-17 21:08 <diva_> anyway, I'll get the exact same version, and compile, and see if that solves the problem
2019-11-17 21:09 <diva_> although they didn't seem to have made a 1.3.7 release
2019-11-17 21:09 <Ubit> well i did got it somewhere :)
2019-11-17 21:10 <diva_> maybe it was their current head at the time. It says June 2017
2019-11-17 21:11 <Ubit> mautil
2019-11-17 21:11 <Ubit> Mono.Addins Setup Utility
2019-11-17 21:11 <Ubit> Usage: mautil [options] <command> [arguments]
2019-11-17 21:11 <Ubit> it did shown help for me, at least 
2019-11-17 21:11 <diva_> does it work for you?
2019-11-17 21:12 <diva_> oh weird. For me it just crashes complaining about Mono.Addins v 1.0.0.0
2019-11-17 21:12 <Ubit> mautil list
2019-11-17 21:12 <Ubit> Installed add-ins:
2019-11-17 21:12 <diva_> ok then there's something wrong on my end
2019-11-17 21:12 <diva_> in any case, they have a bug
2019-11-17 21:13 <diva_> it affects my addins. So everytime we update the dlls, I need to patch it, cos they haven't taken my pull request
2019-11-17 21:13 <diva_> how odd
2019-11-17 21:14 <diva_> I get the error on another machine too
2019-11-17 21:14 <diva_> mono
2019-11-17 21:14 <diva_> (ignore)
2019-11-17 21:15 <Ubit> ?
2019-11-17 21:15 <diva_> $ ./mautil.exe
2019-11-17 21:15 <diva_> Unhandled Exception: System.IO.FileLoadException: Could not load file or assembly 'Mono.Addins, Version=1.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=0738eb9f132ed756' or one of its dependencies. The located assembly's manifest definition does not match the assembly reference. (Exception from HRESULT: 0x80131040)
2019-11-17 21:15 <Ubit> i should add this to opensim-libs
2019-11-17 21:15 <diva_> yeah...
2019-11-17 21:15 <diva_> maybe it's already there? Did I ever added it?
2019-11-17 21:15 <Ubit> no its not
2019-11-17 21:16 <diva_> nope :(
2019-11-17 21:17 <diva_> do you want to do it?
2019-11-17 21:17 <Ubit> d@LDLinuxBox:~/opensim/bin$ mono mautil.exe
2019-11-17 21:17 <Ubit> Mono.Addins Setup Utility
2019-11-17 21:17 <Ubit> Usage: mautil [options] <command> [arguments]
2019-11-17 21:17 <Ubit> Options:
2019-11-17 21:17 <Ubit> also seems to work on my linux
2019-11-17 21:17 <diva_> I'm on Windows
2019-11-17 21:18 <Ubit> that was my first test
2019-11-17 21:18 <diva_> really weird
2019-11-17 21:18 <Ubit> let check the exe dependencies
2019-11-17 21:19 <Ubit> mono addins 1.3.7
2019-11-17 21:20 <diva_> I now tried in 3 different shells, and they all same the same error
2019-11-17 21:20 <Ubit> just the help runs?
2019-11-17 21:20 <diva_> no, nothing runs
2019-11-17 21:21 <diva_> F:\dev\opensim-core\bin>mautil.exe help
2019-11-17 21:21 <diva_> Unhandled Exception: System.IO.FileLoadException: Could not load file or assembly 'Mono.Addins, Version=1.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=0738eb9f132ed756' or one of its dependencies. The located assembly's manifest definition does not match the assembly reference. (Exception from HRESULT: 0x80131040)
2019-11-17 21:21 <diva_>    at mautil.MainClass.Main(String[] args)
2019-11-17 21:21 <diva_> let me clone opensim fresh
2019-11-17 21:29 <Ubit> opos broke mine
2019-11-17 21:29 <Ubit> lol
2019-11-17 21:34 <diva_> same thing on a fresh clone of opensim:
2019-11-17 21:34 <diva_> $ ./mautil.exe
2019-11-17 21:34 <diva_> Unhandled Exception: System.IO.FileLoadException: Could not load file or assembly 'Mono.Addins, Version=1.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=0738eb9f132ed756' or one of its dependencies. The located assembly's manifest definition does not match the assembly reference. (Exception from HRESULT: 0x80131040)
2019-11-17 21:34 <diva_>    at mautil.MainClass.Main(String[] args)
2019-11-17 21:36 <Melanie_> you may be missing a dllmap
2019-11-17 21:36 <Melanie_> in the mautils.exe.config
2019-11-17 21:36 <Melanie_> or have one you don't need
2019-11-17 21:38 <Ubit> yeak now i broken opensim
2019-11-17 21:38 <Ubit> lol
2019-11-17 21:38 <diva_> there doesn't seem to be a mautils.exe.config file
2019-11-17 21:39 <Melanie_> create one, map the dll and see where that takes you
2019-11-17 21:39 <Melanie_> .exe.config are seen as unneeded by many and often not copied
2019-11-17 21:40 <Melanie_> sothat one may have gotten lost
2019-11-17 21:40 <Ubit> try this ones diva
2019-11-17 21:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #6585 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-17 21:40 <diva_> ok
2019-11-17 21:40 <diva_> ah! That worked!
2019-11-17 21:41 <diva_> but now I need to put in my patch, or it will crash later
2019-11-17 21:41 <Ubit> no idea why was working fine on my boxes
2019-11-17 21:41 <Ubit> possible i have a 1.0.0.0 somewhere
2019-11-17 21:42 <diva_> ok, so what should we do to have that fix in more permanently? Should we put this under opensim-libs?
2019-11-17 21:42 <Ubit> you modified it?
2019-11-17 21:42 <diva_> yes, they have a bug
2019-11-17 21:42 <Ubit> outch
2019-11-17 21:43 <Ubit> what version do you have?
2019-11-17 21:43 <diva_> It took me 2 days to chase it, I sent a PR, but they never took it in
2019-11-17 21:43 <diva_> I have a clone here, I can switch to any version
2019-11-17 21:44 <Ubit> i only found that 1.3.7 when changing to .net 4.6
2019-11-17 21:44 <diva_> do you wwant to keep that version?
2019-11-17 21:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6585: SUCCESS in 4 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6585/
2019-11-17 21:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update mono addins ( need to runprebuidl and recomp opensim)
2019-11-17 21:45 <diva_> Ubit how about this
2019-11-17 21:46 <diva_> why don't you check in mono addins to opensim-libs in whatever version you want, and I'll patch it
2019-11-17 21:46 <Ubit> 	url = https://github.com/mono/mono-addins.git
2019-11-17 21:46 <Ubit> [branch "master"]
2019-11-17 21:46 <Ubit> this is where i got it :)
2019-11-17 21:47 <diva_> it changed since you compiled it
2019-11-17 21:48 <diva_> oh look at that. they actually provided some feedback, but I never saw it
2019-11-17 21:48 <Ubit> lol
2019-11-17 21:48 <diva_> tabs vs spaces :/
2019-11-17 21:48 <diva_> let me try that route
2019-11-17 21:54 <diva_> I've no idea how to patch my Pull Request :D
2019-11-17 21:55 <Ubit> well i did push it into https://bitbucket.org/opensimulator/opensim-libs/src/master/
2019-11-17 21:55 <Ubit> for now
2019-11-17 21:55 <diva_> oh weird, magically my new commits apeear there
2019-11-17 21:55 <Ubit> cna you check if its workable ?
2019-11-17 21:55 <diva_> in the original R
2019-11-17 21:56 <diva_> in the original PR
2019-11-17 21:56 <diva_> yeah it works, and it fixes a bug they know exists
2019-11-17 21:56 <Ubit> i mean the push i just made :)
2019-11-17 21:56 <diva_> But I just compiled their current head
2019-11-17 21:56 <Ubit> cna you check it?
2019-11-17 21:56 <diva_> Ubit, I'll patch that one in bitbucket too. 1 sec
2019-11-17 21:57 <Ubit> ill put it on our main opensim-libs
2019-11-17 21:57 <Ubit> after you check it that commit has it all 
2019-11-17 21:58 <diva_> ok, let me do that now
2019-11-17 21:58 <Ubit> mine has the minor changes to .net46
2019-11-17 21:59 <diva_> In the meantime https://github.com/mono/mono-addins/pull/23
2019-11-17 22:06 <Ubit> well also push to our normal repo
2019-11-17 22:06 <Ubit> you can work on that
2019-11-17 22:07 <diva_> ok
2019-11-17 22:09 <diva_> hmm Ubit I'm getting compile errors on that version of mono addins
2019-11-17 22:10 <Ubit> tests fail
2019-11-17 22:10 <Ubit> see bin folder
2019-11-17 22:10 <diva_> did you push everything to bitbucket?
2019-11-17 22:10 <diva_> seems like there's something missng
2019-11-17 22:10 <Ubit> yes
2019-11-17 22:11 <Ubit> seems tests look for mono
2019-11-17 22:11 <diva_> Mono.Cecil is missing
2019-11-17 22:11 <Ubit> oh?
2019-11-17 22:13 <diva_> ok maybe the VS solution file is wrong
2019-11-17 22:13 <diva_> there is a sln file checked in
2019-11-17 22:14 <diva_> oh I guess i need to manully install the NuGet dependencies or something
2019-11-17 22:15 <diva_> wtf now it compiled
2019-11-17 22:16 <diva_> Maybe VS was still installing the NuGet packages
2019-11-17 22:16 <Ubit> addin cecil
2019-11-17 22:16 <diva_> ok I was able to compile with my patch
2019-11-17 22:17 <diva_> let me test these dlls
2019-11-17 22:17 <diva_> ok I was able to compile with my patch
2019-11-17 22:17 <diva_> let me test these dlls
2019-11-17 22:17 <Ubit> added cecil
2019-11-17 22:17 <Ubit> and that took all my net bandwitdh :)
2019-11-17 22:17 <diva_> but it looks like you don't have to...
2019-11-17 22:18 <diva_> anyway, whatever, I'll pull and try again
2019-11-17 22:28 <diva_> ok, Ubut I pushed it to opensim-libs in bitbucket
2019-11-17 22:28 <diva_> Now let me test with opensim
2019-11-17 22:29 <Ubit> ok updated our main repo with that
2019-11-17 22:31 <diva_> do you want me to commit these dlls I just compiled? Or do you want to do it?
2019-11-17 22:31 <diva_> I mean in opensim
2019-11-17 22:31 <Ubit> sure
2019-11-17 22:32 <Ubit> if all works :)
2019-11-17 22:32 <diva_> sure me? Or sure you? :)
2019-11-17 22:32 <Ubit> you have then ready
2019-11-17 22:32 <diva_> ok, sending them up
2019-11-17 22:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #6586 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-17 22:35 <diva_> I'm going to cherry pick this commit to 0.9.1-post-fixes, ok?
2019-11-17 22:35 <Ubit> we should release 0.9.1.1
2019-11-17 22:35 <Ubit> several other bugs
2019-11-17 22:35 <diva_> oh?
2019-11-17 22:36 <Ubit> normal after a release
2019-11-17 22:36 <diva_> it's in the works? In that case, I'll hold off doing a diva release
2019-11-17 22:36 <diva_> +1
2019-11-17 22:36 <Melanie_> what i wonder is, if 0.9.1.1 comes
2019-11-17 22:36 <Ubit> thats robust
2019-11-17 22:36 <Melanie_> should Y become the default in order to kill of that KEY vs STRING debate?
2019-11-17 22:37 <Ubit> well that will wake other complains
2019-11-17 22:37 <Melanie_> there is no clean way to have a key type. i have spent days on it, trying to make X sl compatible regarding strings
2019-11-17 22:37 <Ubit> very good x scripts that will not work uff
2019-11-17 22:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6586: SUCCESS in 4 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6586/
2019-11-17 22:37 <osjenkins> lopes: Replaced mono addins dlls and mautil.exe with the patch
2019-11-17 22:37 <Melanie_> but any approach that ultimately uses c# compiler services is doomed to fail
2019-11-17 22:37 <Ubit> i also tried it
2019-11-17 22:38 <diva_> ugh. wtf is that username on that commit?
2019-11-17 22:38 <Melanie_> looks like your name :0
2019-11-17 22:38 <diva_> oh shoot
2019-11-17 22:38 <Ubit> lopes
2019-11-17 22:38 <diva_> I cloned fresh, got the default
2019-11-17 22:38 <Melanie_> git config -global user.name 
2019-11-17 22:38 <diva_> oh well
2019-11-17 22:39 <diva_> there goes the real me on record :)
2019-11-17 22:39 <Melanie_> not like you're not known
2019-11-17 22:39 <Melanie_> as am I
2019-11-17 22:39 <Melanie_> Ms. Korolov isn't quite innocent in last names being spread
2019-11-17 22:39 <diva_> so Ubit when do you think you'll do the new release?
2019-11-17 22:40 <diva_> days or weeks?
2019-11-17 22:40 <Ubit> 911 will be a fixes release
2019-11-17 22:40 <Melanie_> depends, i guess, on the kick count to his back side
2019-11-17 22:40 <Ubit> well i also did other changes oops :)
2019-11-17 22:41 <diva_> how about after the conference?
2019-11-17 22:42 <Melanie_> probably would free some of his time of he'd stop trying to run opensim on PIC18F4431
2019-11-17 22:42 <Melanie_> ;)
2019-11-17 22:42 <Ubit> :p
2019-11-17 22:43 <Ubit> 18f i dunno but pic32..
2019-11-17 22:43 <Melanie_> ;)
2019-11-17 22:43 <Melanie_> ;)
2019-11-17 22:43 <Melanie_> :)
2019-11-17 22:44 <diva_> ok, well, if you don't mind I'll cherry pick this one commit of the mono addins dlls to 091, so I can make a release of wifi
2019-11-17 22:44 <diva_> ok?
2019-11-17 22:44 <Melanie_> i think we may have lost diva_ 
2019-11-17 22:44 <Ubit> hmm
2019-11-17 22:44 <diva_> is that small microprocessors? :)
2019-11-17 22:45 <Ubit> well pic10 are smaller
2019-11-17 22:45 <Melanie_> microcontrollers
2019-11-17 22:45 <Melanie_> something he and i share
2019-11-17 22:45 <Melanie_> but it's not for everyone
2019-11-17 22:45 <Ubit> well better fix for oscc now
2019-11-17 22:45 <Melanie_> today current thinking is that brain cycles are more expensive than machine cycles
2019-11-17 22:45 <Ubit> then we make a joint 911 and wifi ?
2019-11-17 22:45 <diva_> ok, if you think you can do it within a few days, then I'll wait
2019-11-17 22:46 <Melanie_> in MCUs, machine cycles are still more exoensive
2019-11-17 22:46 <Ubit> damm we should skip thy number
2019-11-17 22:46 <diva_> Just didn't want to pressure you
2019-11-17 22:46 <Ubit> i keep calling it 911
2019-11-17 22:46 <Melanie_> lol
2019-11-17 22:46 <Melanie_> trying to say it needs emergency help?
2019-11-17 22:46 <diva_> I like that number!
2019-11-17 22:46 <Ubit> :)
2019-11-17 22:46 <diva_> ok, I'll wait, then.
2019-11-17 22:47 <Melanie_> i wonder if anyone ever made a remark about 411
2019-11-17 22:47 <diva_> More time to prepare my lectures this week.
2019-11-17 22:47 <Ubit> yeah collecting a few more bugs including on the new changes i made :)
2019-11-17 22:47 <Melanie_> yeah right doing that professoring thing
2019-11-17 22:47 <Ubit> our terrain edition was for viewers V1
2019-11-17 22:48 <Ubit> gezz and no one complained ??
2019-11-17 22:48 <Melanie_> lol
2019-11-17 22:48 <Melanie_> actually i did a guest lecture on virtual world economics once
2019-11-17 22:49 <Melanie_> students said i was the best guestr lecturer they ever had
2019-11-17 22:49 <Melanie_> that as U of stockholm
2019-11-17 22:49 <diva_> I have to prepare, like, 4 lectures on new material that I have never taught before, and that is fresh out of my oven. So of course, I decided to make a D2 release :)
2019-11-17 22:50 <Melanie_> it's all about doing well under pressure ;)
2019-11-17 22:50 <Melanie_> i find myself kicking stuff into the long grass
2019-11-17 22:50 <Melanie_> because i know under pressure i produce better results
2019-11-17 22:51 <Melanie_> i tend to overthink if i give myself too much time
2019-11-17 22:52 <diva_> yeah, the cruch really helps focus. But as usual it will be hell to prepare these 4 lectures. I'll have to revive code I worked on during the summer, and haven't looked at it since. Keras code
2019-11-17 23:13 <Ubit> simiangrid
2019-11-17 23:13 <Ubit> anyone uses that?
2019-11-17 23:13 <Melanie_> i think it's dead
2019-11-17 23:15 <diva_> hmm, I"m still having problems, now with ICSharpCode, on which Mono addins depends
2019-11-17 23:15 <diva_> what pita
2019-11-17 23:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #6587 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-17 23:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6587: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6587/
2019-11-17 23:23 <osjenkins> diva@metaverseink.com: Mono addins uses this, and the version was now incompatible.
2019-11-17 23:39 <diva_> another weird thing: prebuild is not working as before. I have a bunch of actions on my assorted dlls and none of them are being done
2019-11-17 23:39 <diva_> I mean assorted prebuild.xml's
2019-11-17 23:40 <diva_> I see that it was updated in 2017
2019-11-17 23:40 <Ubit> the changes it had where minor, to make msbuild happy
2019-11-17 23:58 <diva_> ok, fyi, it's VS 2019 that's messing up
2019-11-17 23:58 <diva_> if I use 2017 it works
2019-11-17 23:58 <Ubit> did tryed it
2019-11-17 23:58 <Ubit> guess it will need changes on prebuild
2019-11-17 23:58 <diva_> yeah :/
2019-11-18 00:01 <Ubit> yeack.. i meant did NOT tried 2019 still :)
2019-11-18 03:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #6588 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-18 03:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6588: SUCCESS in 4 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6588/
2019-11-18 03:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a info message
2019-11-18 03:46 <Ubit> damm tons of warnings about dif framework
2019-11-18 03:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #6589 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-18 03:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6589: SUCCESS in 4 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6589/
2019-11-18 03:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: revert to previus ICSharpCode.SharpZipLib.dll that was .net4.6 unlike new one
2019-11-18 04:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #6590 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-18 04:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6590: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6590/
2019-11-18 04:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update mono addins again
2019-11-18 08:46 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Disconnect when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-11-18 11:19 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Disconnect when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-18 12:10 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Disconnect when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2019-11-18 12:14 <Tampa>  // A unique region handle is created from the region's world coordinates.
2019-11-18 12:14 <Tampa>         // This cannot be changed because some code expects to receive the region handle and then
2019-11-18 12:14 <Tampa>         //    compute the region coordinates from it.
2019-11-18 12:14 <Tampa> Bugger
2019-11-18 12:17 <osmantis> Bug #8626:04 When specifying region to login, user will sometimes land in a region with similar name. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8626 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-18 12:33 <osmantis> Bug #8447:04 Feature Request:  llDialog() to allow empty [] list 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8447 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-11-18 12:33 <osmantis> Bug #8613:04 llDialog: At least 1 button must be shown - Scripting Flaw 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8613 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-11-18 12:41 <Tampa> Could someone verify and update 8608 and related issues?
2019-11-18 12:50 <osmantis> Bug #8610:04 OpenSim.Server.Base.ServerUtils [SERVER UTILS]: Error loading plugin 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-18 13:13 <osmantis> Bug #8610:04 OpenSim.Server.Base.ServerUtils [SERVER UTILS]: Error loading plugin 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-18 13:42 <diva_> Ubit the ICShaprCode dll I sent up was the one compiled in opensim-libs
2019-11-18 15:12 <Tampa> Process memory:      Physical 35108 MB   Paged 315 MB    Virtual 39762 MB
2019-11-18 15:12 <Tampa> Er... I think we have a leak here
2019-11-18 15:12 <PiusNoel> diva_ I think Ubit was not logged in
2019-11-18 15:16 <diva_> oh right
2019-11-18 15:17 <Tampa> I wonder if there is something in Y that causes this leak, it started when I switched to it two days ago
2019-11-18 15:17 <Tampa> 34gb in two days is a lot of leakage
2019-11-18 16:50 <PiusNoel> just checked my Linux test server and haven't seen any leakage so far, but I'm still on XEngine
2019-11-18 17:10 <osmantis> Bug #8610:04 OpenSim.Server.Base.ServerUtils [SERVER UTILS]: Error loading plugin 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8610 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-18 17:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #6591 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-18 17:34 <osmantis> Bug #8551:04 YEngine leaking memory from strings in event 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8551 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-18 17:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6591: SUCCESS in 5 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6591/
2019-11-18 17:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8551: Simplify Yengine heap usage control
2019-11-18 19:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #6592 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-18 19:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6592: SUCCESS in 4 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6592/
2019-11-18 19:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Yengine: more on constants operations reduction
2019-11-18 20:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #6593 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-18 20:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6593: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6593/
2019-11-18 20:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix the block of teleport to same region handle
2019-11-18 21:21 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Disconnect when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-18 21:28 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Disconnect when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-18 21:31 <Tampa> Is this viewer locked by protocol or would there be a way to circumvent this?
2019-11-18 21:32 <Ubit> not any easy way our side
2019-11-18 21:33 <Ubit> region position is a region ID for most things
2019-11-18 21:48 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Disconnect when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-18 22:25 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Disconnect when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-18 22:47 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Disconnect when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-19 16:09 <osmantis> Bug #8628:04 Viewer Disconnect when TP between two grids from a region with same name as destination 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8628 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-19 17:12 <Tampa> So there is definitely still a leak in YEngine, granted this is 5 commits older than master still
2019-11-19 17:12 <Tampa> Over the course of a day 2gb so far
2019-11-19 18:32 <Ubit> and what makes you tell it is Y?
2019-11-19 18:36 <Tampa> I switched the region from X to Y, that's all I changed recently
2019-11-19 18:57 <Ubit> meeting?
2019-11-19 18:57 <Ubit> meow, meowww meow!
2019-11-19 19:06 <Tampa> Process memory:      Physical 8756 MB    Paged 0 MB      Virtual 12567 MB
2019-11-19 19:06 <Tampa> 27 hours uptime
2019-11-19 19:06 <Tampa> Started with 2.6gb
2019-11-19 19:17 <Ubit> testing
2019-11-19 19:17 <Ubit> default
2019-11-19 19:17 <Ubit> {
2019-11-19 19:17 <Ubit>     state_entry()
2019-11-19 19:17 <Ubit>     {
2019-11-19 19:17 <Ubit>         llSay(0, "Script running");
2019-11-19 19:17 <Ubit>         llSetTimerEvent(0.1);
2019-11-19 19:17 <Ubit>     }
2019-11-19 19:17 <Ubit>     timer()
2019-11-19 19:17 <Ubit>     {
2019-11-19 19:17 <Ubit>         llSay(0,llGetUsedMemory());
2019-11-19 19:18 <Ubit>         list a = [1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1];
2019-11-19 19:18 <Ubit>         string b = "[1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1][1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1][1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1][1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1]";
2019-11-19 19:18 <Ubit>         llSay(0,llGetUsedMemory());
2019-11-19 19:18 <Ubit>     }    
2019-11-19 19:18 <Ubit> }
2019-11-19 19:20 <Ubit> Process memory:      Physical 186 MB
2019-11-19 19:37 <Ubit> Process memory:      Physical 178 MB
2019-11-19 20:00 <Ubit> Process memory:      Physical 178 MB
2019-11-19 21:29 <Ubit> Process memory:      Physical 160 MB
2019-11-19 21:31 <Ubit> see no leak with this simple script
2019-11-19 21:37 <Ubit> that was in debug mode, restarted in release
2019-11-19 21:38 <Ubit> Process memory:      Physical 160 MB
2019-11-19 21:44 <Ubit> did run a small script that does eat memory working
2019-11-19 21:45 <Ubit> Process memory:      Physical 194 MB
2019-11-19 21:45 <Ubit> Peak process memory: Physical 993 MB
2019-11-19 21:46 <Ubit> ( script did used +-800MB )
2019-11-19 21:49 <Ubit> Process memory:      Physical 171 MB
2019-11-19 22:08 <Tampa> I cannot tell you which script this is caused by the region runs 3000 or so, I have to run more tests
2019-11-19 22:13 <Ubit> Process memory:      Physical 164 MB
2019-11-19 22:13 <Tampa> WARNING //// CPU OK @ 6.6 //// MEMORY WARNING @ 9766 MB VIRT: 13569 MB //// Thres: 8000 10000 50 80 
2019-11-19 22:18 <Ubit> hard for me to guess whats going on there
2019-11-19 22:18 <Ubit> have that script running and mem stable
2019-11-19 22:19 <Ubit> also did recovered from that memory eating one
2019-11-19 22:19 <Tampa> I will update to latest master and try again, then run around fetching some scripts that could be the cause and test them externally
2019-11-20 00:00 <Ubit> gezz
2019-11-20 00:01 <Ubit> Process memory:      Physical 134 MB
2019-11-20 00:01 <Ubit> regions iddle only that scrip kicking ( think )
2019-11-20 00:26 <osmantis> Bug #8629:04 Residents in my grid are telling me perms recently changed on rezzed assets that were prev copy/trans ans are no longer are 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8629 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2019-11-20 10:58 <osmantis> Bug #8629:04 Residents in my grid are telling me perms recently changed on rezzed assets that were prev copy/trans ans are no longer are 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8629 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-20 12:22 <Tampa> Ubit, another odd thing, I teleport back to my home region and I see water, then after about a minute or more it all starts loading it, terrain objects etc
2019-11-20 12:22 <Tampa> It like does not bother sending me things for a good while
2019-11-20 12:22 <Tampa> I also cannot move during that time
2019-11-20 12:26 <Tampa> Thinking the memory leak could be http requests or dynamic textures, both of which I have quite a bit on that region
2019-11-20 12:44 <Tampa> http request and dynamic textures definitely do add memory over time, I can add 2mb each time this thing refreshes the dynamic texture via http, question is if that is enough to cause multiple gb per day
2019-11-20 12:55 <Tampa> Dynamic textures are piling up it seems
2019-11-20 13:53 <djphil> What I noticed with the dynamic textures is that it gradually increases the size of the assets cache folder. and just as the dynamic textures are temporary, I wonder why are not they removed gradually ...?
2019-11-20 15:48 <Tampa> I put down a script that does a new dynamic texture every other minute, result, 500mb of memory over 5 hours
2019-11-20 15:54 <Tampa> @djphil https://pastebin.com/NAg56GA9 Try running this script on YEngine
2019-11-20 15:55 <Tampa> You can either leave it on its own or click it, memory will go up over time
2019-11-20 15:55 <Tampa> Under X the dynamic textures are cleared or at least seem to be placed somewhere outside memory, under Y they seem to stick around
2019-11-20 15:56 <Tampa> The http handlers behave in a similar manner although they are much smaller so much lower gains overall
2019-11-20 15:56 <Tampa> The region I am testing on has now reached 1gb, it started with 200mb not 6 hours ago
2019-11-20 15:59 <djphil> Hmm I do not have simu running YEngine currently :s
2019-11-20 16:00 <Tampa> :O
2019-11-20 16:00 <djphil> Yeah :s
2019-11-20 16:01 <Tampa> I don't want to mantis this unless I can verify the issue
2019-11-20 16:07 <djphil> I put your script on my simu in XEngine
2019-11-20 16:08 <djphil> But I already have several script with dynamic texture on it and I did not see the memory swell like at home on YEngine
2019-11-20 16:09 <Tampa> In X it is not going to cause much trouble, I recently switched my region from X to Y, within two days it consumed 32gb of extra memory
2019-11-20 16:09 <Tampa> Under X it was fine, with Y it leaks memory like crazy
2019-11-20 16:09 <djphil> Ouch!
2019-11-20 16:11 <djphil> What I used to do with dynamic texture is to avoid recreating the texture all the time by favoring the user's click earlier than the timer. And also, recreate only if the values have changed. This has me to slow down considerably the accumulation of Mb in my asset cache.
2019-11-20 16:18 <Tampa> I do the same for the presence thing I have to monitor where people are, but even then
2019-11-20 16:18 <Tampa> I also think there are other things that add to it
2019-11-20 16:18 <Tampa> I restarted my region, 2.6gb on start, now running 3 hours it is at 3.3gb
2019-11-20 16:18 <Tampa> I have monitoring setup on it so I have a graph of the history
2019-11-20 16:21 <Tampa> https://i.imgur.com/g7gJDcG.png
2019-11-20 16:21 <Tampa> You can see the restart dropping down massively in memory then it creeping back up gb by gb
2019-11-20 16:22 <djphil> yeah i see :) impressive fall
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2019-11-20 18:53 <PiusNoel> where does the git commit code displayed in show version come from?
2019-11-20 18:53 <PiusNoel> I have a test grid with robust and one simulator running in the same directory (~/grid42t/bin). In both, Robust and the simulator console the git commit is shown: 
2019-11-20 18:53 <PiusNoel> Version: OpenSim 0.9.1.1 Yeti Dev   0cf3ec5 (SIMULATION/0.3 - SIMULATION/0.8). 
2019-11-20 18:53 <PiusNoel> It is also shown in all regions running on this simulator.
2019-11-20 18:54 <PiusNoel> I have a second simulator which is connected to the grid running from its own directory (~/ubode/bin). It uses a copy of the same code but in the console the git commit code is not shown: 
2019-11-20 18:54 <PiusNoel> Version: OpenSim 0.9.1.1 Yeti Dev          (SIMULATION/0.3 - SIMULATION/0.8).
2019-11-20 18:54 <PiusNoel> It is also not shown in the regions running on this simulator.
2019-11-20 18:55 <PiusNoel> Actually I discovered this when I tried to run @tampa's code to test XEngine vs. YEngine. While the commit code was show on the cube on one region it was not shown on the cube running on the robust simulator.
2019-11-20 19:50 <PiusNoel> ...it was not shown on the cube running on the region on the ubode simulator (not robust simulator)
2019-11-20 19:53 <PiusNoel> btw after an hour I cannot yet see any unusual memory increase on Y. I'll let it run over night now and give feedback tomorrow.
2019-11-20 20:22 <osmantis> Bug #8629:04 Residents in my grid are telling me perms recently changed on rezzed assets that were prev copy/trans ans are no longer are 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8629 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-20 22:38 <osmantis> Bug #8629:04 Residents in my grid are telling me perms recently changed on rezzed assets that were prev copy/trans ans are no longer are 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8629 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-11-20 23:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #6594 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-20 23:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6594: SUCCESS in 4 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6594/
2019-11-20 23:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
2019-11-20 23:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #6595 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-20 23:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6595: SUCCESS in 4 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6595/
2019-11-20 23:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
2019-11-21 10:52 <PiusNoel> I found the answer to my question yesterday: the commit code is retrieved from ../.git/HEAD. if there is none, what happens when I copy the bin dir to ~/ubode/, it cannot be displayed in show version and the like.
2019-11-21 11:08 <PiusNoel> now, I created a script that copies .git/HEAD and .git/refs/heads/master to ~/ubode/ and all is fine. that's not perfect, but ok for me. better than not knowing what's running at all.
2019-11-21 12:26 <Tampa> https://i.imgur.com/HfoJ2I9.png
2019-11-21 12:26 <Tampa> So there is definitely something leaking on Y
2019-11-21 12:35 <osmantis> Bug #8630:04 Memory Leak on YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8630 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-11-21 12:35 <djphil> If you're trying to build a staircase, you're on the right track :p
2019-11-21 12:35 <Tampa> lol
2019-11-21 12:36 <Tampa> It's just 2 scripts with dynamic textures and 1 script with http request that's all it took to gather 3gb in 1 day
2019-11-21 12:37 <djphil> I can not tell you the result of your script at home because that night I had to repair a module and because of that I had to turn off my simulator where I put your script in test. But as soon as I can, I'll tell you the result
2019-11-21 12:39 <Tampa> As I said, under XEngine this will work fine, I been running the simulator for nearly a year on XEngine and nothing this bad ever happened
2019-11-21 12:39 <Tampa> Soon as I switched to YEngine, massive memory usage
2019-11-21 12:40 <Tampa> Now I tested on an empty region with just those scripts, same result
2019-11-21 12:54 <djphil> It's amazing that other Y users have not detected this leak
2019-11-21 12:54 <Ubit> what leak ?
2019-11-21 12:55 <djphil> hello BOSS :p
2019-11-21 12:55 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8630 this
2019-11-21 12:55 <Ubit> not happen to me
2019-11-21 12:56 <Ubit> and tampa could had posted the script 
2019-11-21 12:56 <Ubit> well and he did add httprequests to it
2019-11-21 12:56 <Ubit> well i tested his script showing region stats
2019-11-21 12:57 <Ubit> memory stayed stable
2019-11-21 12:57 <Ubit> GC does let it pile up a bit, beeing lazy doing full collect
2019-11-21 12:57 <djphil> is a simple script using dynamic texture with timer to repeat texture generation
2019-11-21 12:58 <Ubit> yes but on mantis he added http requests :p
2019-11-21 12:58 <djphil> true
2019-11-21 12:58 <Ubit> not same case
2019-11-21 12:58 <djphil> true again
2019-11-21 12:59 <Ubit> if did run the one of yesterday, with delay of 10s, 4 prims :)
2019-11-21 13:01 <osmantis> Bug #8630:04 Memory Leak on YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8630 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-21 13:04 <Tampa> The http request script fetches a website with a few lines of ever changing text then puts that onto a dynamic texture
2019-11-21 13:04 <Ubit> wll thats other case
2019-11-21 13:05 <Ubit> are you using --desktop ?
2019-11-21 13:05 <Tampa> In any case this is leaking worse than the white house
2019-11-21 13:05 <Tampa> yes
2019-11-21 13:05 <Tampa> I have always used your recommended settings
2019-11-21 13:06 <Ubit> wlel i did run those 3 things for one hour.. mem basicly stable
2019-11-21 13:06 <Tampa> 1 hour will not tell you much
2019-11-21 13:06 <Tampa> This goes over days
2019-11-21 13:06 <Ubit> large use doing the dyn, then drop at end, leaving a bit behind
2019-11-21 13:07 <Ubit> after a few cycles all back close to start value
2019-11-21 13:07 <Ubit> bc 
2019-11-21 13:07 <Ubit> try this
2019-11-21 13:07 <Ubit> run it till is clear the bad mem usage
2019-11-21 13:07 <Ubit> then try force gc on console
2019-11-21 13:08 <Ubit> the prim i have that uses 800MB  leaves 300M behind now and then until gc decides to collect :)
2019-11-21 13:09 <Ubit> so on both i don't see true leaks.. just crap GC
2019-11-21 13:09 <Tampa> Tried force gc on both affected regions, 1mb less on the test region, about 100mb less on the other worse affected region
2019-11-21 13:09 <Ubit> uff
2019-11-21 13:10 <Tampa> So that's not helping exactly
2019-11-21 13:10 <Tampa> 100mb when it uses 34000mb is...
2019-11-21 13:10 <Ubit> force gc is also lazy doesn't do all 
2019-11-21 13:10 <Ubit> well the region stats pirm is not leaking on win
2019-11-21 13:11 <Tampa> This is ubuntu, mono 6.4
2019-11-21 13:11 <Tampa> binary running on mono it was compiled on
2019-11-21 13:11 <Tampa> So either mono ate the potato or its YEngine
2019-11-21 13:11 <Tampa> Only real variables I can think of
2019-11-21 13:12 <Ubit> well on dyn case, as i said on mantis
2019-11-21 13:12 <Ubit> the code that does use memory is the same on Y and X
2019-11-21 13:13 <Tampa> The http request sticking isn't so bad, from what I can tell that's just the 1024kb of headers and that does not add up much
2019-11-21 13:13 <Tampa> Each time I click that dyn prim the memory goes up and almost never really goes back down
2019-11-21 13:13 <Ubit> it returns to the engine, having done the same cleaning
2019-11-21 13:13 <Ubit> ohh it falls right back here
2019-11-21 13:14 <Ubit> just a small offset, that is cleared later also by gc
2019-11-21 13:15 <Tampa> CRITICAL //// CPU OK @ 2.4 //// MEMORY CRITICAL @ 3824 MB VIRT: 7406 MB //// Thres: 2000 3000 50 80 
2019-11-21 13:15 <Ubit> or box is a scared chicken :p
2019-11-21 13:15 <Ubit> your..
2019-11-21 13:16 <Tampa> I can only report what I see trying to test as best I can to narrow down causes for problems
2019-11-21 13:16 <Ubit> well started my linux 
2019-11-21 13:16 <Ubit> adding http was not narrow down :p
2019-11-21 13:17 <Tampa> I added the http, stating it was less an issue, because it is technically also leaking albeit quite a bit less
2019-11-21 13:18 <Tampa> It should not leave header data behind yet it seems to, can't just ignore that it could, if someone spams http requests, cause issues too
2019-11-21 13:18 <Tampa> Though again 1024kb at the most is not much and that is if the page gives headers, the page I use gives 32kb of headers only
2019-11-21 13:19 <Tampa> That part can wait, the dynamic texture thing though that is major
2019-11-21 13:20 <Tampa> https://i.imgur.com/mWrC6oG.png This is the other region I first noticed it, it has more scripts, you can see where I did restarts
2019-11-21 13:26 <Ubit> seems stable on mono also
2019-11-21 13:27 <Ubit> the stats one
2019-11-21 13:27 <Tampa> Leave it running a day and then check again
2019-11-21 13:27 <Ubit> Process memory:      Physical 345 MB
2019-11-21 13:27 <Ubit> ( 10s delay )
2019-11-21 13:28 <Tampa> 5 min test is not gonna tell you much, but do feel free to hop over hg.zetaworlds.com/warehouse to see for yourself
2019-11-21 13:28 <Tampa> The region started with 264mb
2019-11-21 13:28 <Ubit> ok 4 prims now :)
2019-11-21 13:28 <Ubit> Process memory:      Physical 406 MB
2019-11-21 13:29 <Ubit> Process memory:      Physical 337 MB .
2019-11-21 13:29 <Ubit> Process memory:      Physical 319 MB
2019-11-21 13:29 <Ubit> and up and down as expected
2019-11-21 13:30 <Tampa> 3.77gb press script 10 times, 3.87gb stays the same
2019-11-21 13:30 <Tampa> does not go down
2019-11-21 13:30 <Ubit> what mono ?
2019-11-21 13:31 <Tampa> stable 6.4
2019-11-21 13:31 <Ubit> lets hope they didn't had a leak on graphics
2019-11-21 13:35 <Ubit> ono JIT compiler version 6.0.0.319
2019-11-21 13:35 <Ubit> gezz im outdated :)
2019-11-21 14:10 <osmantis> Bug #8630:04 Memory Leak on YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8630 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-21 14:14 <osmantis> Bug #8630:04 Memory Leak on YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8630 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-21 14:14 <Tampa> mono reinstall 2000 packages purges and installed lol
2019-11-21 14:23 <Ubit> yeack
2019-11-21 14:32 <Tampa> Buildserver already done so not so bad, testserver is next
2019-11-21 14:32 <Tampa> Goes fast with good net and cpu
2019-11-21 14:49 <Tampa> Ubit its libgdiplus
2019-11-21 14:49 <Tampa> Installed older version replicating what you see
2019-11-21 14:49 <Ubit> :(
2019-11-21 14:49 <Tampa> Memory clearing
2019-11-21 14:49 <Tampa> Installed version that comes with mono memory leaking
2019-11-21 14:50 <Ubit> can you test a mono 6.4 just before that libgdi upgrade?
2019-11-21 14:52 <Tampa> So upgrade mono but retain old libgdiplus, okay gimme a couple minutes
2019-11-21 14:52 <Ubit> thx
2019-11-21 14:52 <osmantis> Bug #8630:04 Memory Leak on YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8630 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-21 15:24 <Tampa> ok mono 6.4 old libgdiplus the behavior has not changed, dynamic textures cleaned up properly so its libgdiplus definitely
2019-11-21 15:25 <Ubit> ok thx
2019-11-21 15:25 <Ubit> but should do the same on x
2019-11-21 15:25 <Ubit> odd
2019-11-21 15:27 <Tampa> Like I said in the ticket, either we tell folks stick to old libgdiplus or fix what broke, the latter sounds painful though
2019-11-21 15:28 <Tampa> I have no trouble sticking to older version, but ideally this is not
2019-11-21 15:28 <Ubit> that means mono also
2019-11-21 15:28 <Ubit> mono install forces the new gdi
2019-11-21 15:31 <Tampa> If you version install it via apt it changes to manual mode and won't update
2019-11-21 15:34 <Tampa> apt install libgdiplus=4.2-2
2019-11-21 15:34 <Tampa> Current is 6.0.4 though
2019-11-21 15:34 <Tampa> Quite a jump
2019-11-21 16:05 <Ubit> https://github.com/mono/libgdiplus/commit/1afe4711f10bd52e14a4c7985eae7414eda4108c
2019-11-21 16:05 <Ubit> ?
2019-11-21 16:37 <osmantis> Bug #8630:04 Memory Leak on YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8630 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-21 16:42 <Tampa> Submitted just today it seems let's hope that's really all it, though who knows how long apt supplied 6.0.5 or whatever release that will be -.-
2019-11-21 17:03 <PiusNoel> actually there is a whole bunch of memory/resource leak related issues just dicovered 3 days ago.
2019-11-21 17:07 <PiusNoel> I'm wondering that my simulator where I host 5 regions on Metropolis did not yet crash. I just upgraded last weekend.
2019-11-21 18:21 <PiusNoel> I installed libgdiplus 4.2-2 and it seems to hold now. 
2019-11-21 18:26 <PiusNoel> I've set a hold on the package and reinstalled mono 6.4. so I can confirm what Tampa already mentioned 3 hrs ago.
2019-11-21 18:26 <Ubit> bad libgdi right?
2019-11-21 18:26 <PiusNoel> yep, definitely... I tested on two different servers
2019-11-21 18:27 <Ubit> no idea if gdi 6.0.4 is already fixed or not
2019-11-21 18:28 <Ubit> ( mono uses 6.0.2 i think)
2019-11-21 18:28 <PiusNoel> I don't think its already finally fixed
2019-11-21 18:31 <PiusNoel> mono uses already 6.0.4
2019-11-21 18:32 <Ubit> the say 6.0.2 on release notes of stable
2019-11-21 18:38 <PiusNoel> sudo apt list --upgradable
2019-11-21 18:38 <PiusNoel> libgdiplus/stable-bionic 6.0.4-0xamarin1+ubuntu1804b1
2019-11-21 19:17 <Ubit> hmm opensim estimated cost $ 12,970,937
2019-11-21 20:10 <AliciaRaven> based on estimated work hours, which is based on number of lines of code, takes no account of complexity so is wrong
2019-11-21 21:04 <Plugh> Most estimates for cost of software are wrong. They assume a given rate of lines per hour for the code and don't account for all the changes that have been made to the code or all the code and changes in branches. After that is the hourly rate and how it may have changed over the life of the program.
2019-11-22 04:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #6596 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-22 04:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6596: SUCCESS in 5 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6596/
2019-11-22 04:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: more changes on YEngine scripts heap usage
2019-11-22 06:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #6597 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-22 06:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6597: SUCCESS in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6597/
2019-11-22 06:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Oooopss
2019-11-22 07:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #6598 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-22 07:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6598: SUCCESS in 5 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6598/
2019-11-22 07:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: YEngine, change default number of exec threads to 2 of priority Normal. Let the threads priority a option on ini files
2019-11-22 07:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #6599 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-22 07:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6599: SUCCESS in 5 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6599/
2019-11-22 07:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: YEngine: change some startup log messages
2019-11-22 10:49 <osmantis> Bug #8630:04 Memory Leak on YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8630 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-22 13:23 <osmantis> Bug #8630:04 Memory Leak on YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8630 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2019-11-22 13:28 <Tampa> Anyone know of a good way to externally send xml data to a simulator that will get a reply from it? Trying to determine if a simulator is stuck aka stack traced
2019-11-22 14:55 <Tampa> Hey Melanie_T you happen to know of a way to cause a mono stack trace for a simulator? I need to test what "state" the process is then in
2019-11-22 15:26 <Melanie_T> send mono a SIGQUIT
2019-11-22 15:26 <Melanie_T> it will dump and continue
2019-11-22 15:28 <Tampa> I'll try, so far all signals I sent it just made the screen session quit on me
2019-11-22 15:29 <Tampa> Hm that does cause console spam, but it does not get stuck like a stack trace, I can still hit enter and it write region() #
2019-11-22 16:45 <diva_> FYI Ubit, my fix to mono addins has been merged into their repo
2019-11-23 01:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #6600 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-23 01:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6600: SUCCESS in 4 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6600/
2019-11-23 01:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix xml decode of kfm in single prims case
2019-11-23 01:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #6601 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-23 01:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6601: SUCCESS in 4 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6601/
2019-11-23 01:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix identation
2019-11-23 18:59 <Metaworld> https://discord.gg/K94fXJv
2019-11-24 08:40 <osmantis> Bug #8631:04 After last update to git master, regions wil not start correctly anymore. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8631 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-11-24 08:56 <osmantis> Bug #8631:04 After last update to git master, regions wil not start correctly anymore. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8631 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-24 09:20 <osmantis> Bug #8631:04 After last update to git master, regions wil not start correctly anymore. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8631 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-24 09:56 <osmantis> Bug #8631:04 After last update to git master, regions wil not start correctly anymore. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8631 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-24 11:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #6602 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-24 11:11 <Ubit> damm git does not replace the stupid file
2019-11-24 11:14 <Ubit> oops
2019-11-24 11:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6602: SUCCESS in 5 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6602/
2019-11-24 11:14 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8631: mono addins again (one file missing)
2019-11-24 11:14 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8631: the missing file
2019-11-24 11:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #6603 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-24 11:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6603: SUCCESS in 4 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6603/
2019-11-24 11:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8631: and another try...
2019-11-24 11:48 <osmantis> Bug #8631:04 After last update to git master, regions wil not start correctly anymore. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8631 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-24 12:54 <BootScout_> good morning
2019-11-24 12:54 <BootScout_> did anyone successfully build a opensim second life thrid party viewer?
2019-11-24 13:15 <osmantis> Bug #8631:04 After last update to git master, regions wil not start correctly anymore. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8631 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-24 13:16 <osmantis> Bug #8631:04 After last update to git master, regions wil not start correctly anymore. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8631 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-24 15:50 <diva_> Ubit I'm going to cherry pick that latest commit with mono addins into -post-fixes, ok?
2019-11-24 15:51 <diva_> I need a stable 0.9.1 with working mono addins
2019-11-24 15:56 <Ubit> wait for feedback on last
2019-11-24 15:57 <Ubit> and why -postfixes?
2019-11-24 15:57 <diva_> I need something stable
2019-11-24 15:57 <diva_> is master stable?
2019-11-24 15:57 <Ubit> opensim stable? :)
2019-11-24 15:58 <diva_> I mean releases are supposed to be more stable than any random master head
2019-11-24 15:58 <Ubit> of course
2019-11-24 15:59 <Ubit> but master as bug fixes already
2019-11-24 15:59 <Ubit> one even a region crash case, yeack
2019-11-24 15:59 <diva_> shuld we do another release?
2019-11-24 15:59 <Ubit> yes
2019-11-24 15:59 <Ubit> possible after oscc not sure
2019-11-24 15:59 <diva_> I need to fix a problem in wifi for OSCC, so I need something stable
2019-11-24 16:00 <Ubit> this has terrain edit changes..
2019-11-24 16:00 <diva_> they are running 0.9.1, as far as I know
2019-11-24 16:00 <Ubit> having almost no feedback on those
2019-11-24 16:01 <diva_> ok, well OSCC is in 3 weeks. I'm not sure they are going to install another release. I don't want to compile Diva addons against master head, so I'm going to just push the mono addins into post-fixes and build from there
2019-11-24 16:01 <Ubit> weçç that region crahs issue should not be on oscc
2019-11-24 16:09 <diva_> ok, so OSCC as far as I know, is in 0.9.1
2019-11-24 16:10 <diva_> so I need a stable version of that with working mono addins
2019-11-24 16:10 <diva_> unless there is going to be a new release, like, today, I'm going to have to use 0.9.1-post-fixes
2019-11-24 16:10 <Ubit> for oscc you can cook a local version as you like
2019-11-24 16:11 <diva_> local version?
2019-11-24 16:11 <Ubit> not the first time, justin did it also in past
2019-11-24 16:11 <diva_> I'm not sure I understand your suggestion
2019-11-24 16:11 <diva_> are you suggesting OSCC moves to master?
2019-11-24 16:12 <Ubit> we don't need to make a release just of oscc to be on it
2019-11-24 16:12 <diva_> I agree
2019-11-24 16:12 <Ubit> yes.. just use master is a option
2019-11-24 16:12 <diva_> that's why I want to cherry pick things to 0.9.1-post-fixes, as we did so many times in the past
2019-11-24 16:13 <Ubit> most more trick changes where on Yengine, that they will not use now
2019-11-24 16:13 <diva_> danbanner are you the one installing opensim in OSCC?
2019-11-24 16:13 <Ubit> terrain edit, not sure they will do any, but works
2019-11-24 16:13 <Ubit> think marcus did that
2019-11-24 16:14 <Ubit> the number of attachments, may irritate some :)
2019-11-24 16:14 <Ubit> but no complains at lbsa.. so guess not
2019-11-24 16:17 <diva_> ok, I am on a timer today. I have exactly 1 hour of my time to fix OSCC's Diva addons problem. They either move to master or I will cherry-pick things to 0.9.1
2019-11-24 16:17 <diva_> I sent an email and Cc-ed you, Ubit
2019-11-24 16:20 <Ubit> so issue setting default avatars?
2019-11-24 16:20 <diva_> yes
2019-11-24 16:20 <Ubit> are you setting COF ?
2019-11-24 16:21 <diva_> I haven't looked into fixing the problem yet, that's what I was about to do right now. Somethings changed that made my code break
2019-11-24 16:21 <Ubit> yeah viewers also changed :)
2019-11-24 16:21 <diva_> and I have to decide which version of opensim to use to compile diva addons
2019-11-24 16:22 <diva_> that's fine, things change. I just don't want to waste time compiling for master and then Diva addons not working in OSCC; or vice-versa. I will compile for whatever version they want to use
2019-11-24 16:37 <Plugh> I set up a test grid with git master and installed added the diva wifi addons per the instructions that included needed mods to the source. I was seeing problems when I started the grid. Lots of red text. The main one being something about it being unable to access the database server. I haven't had time to investigate the problem.
2019-11-24 16:46 <Ubit> lost in rl
2019-11-24 17:46 <Ubit> acording to tglion addins seems coerent now
2019-11-24 18:22 <diva_> Ubit I'm having trouble with the ICSharpCode version you committed
2019-11-24 18:24 <diva_> System.IO.FileLoadException: Could not load file or assembly 'ICSharpCode.SharpZipLib, Version=0.86.0.518, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=1b03e6acf1164f73' or one of its dependencies. The located assembly's manifest definition does not match the assembly reference. (Exception from HRESULT: 0x80131040)
2019-11-24 18:25 <diva_> why did you revert the one I added?
2019-11-24 18:25 <Ubit> bc it was wrong framework
2019-11-24 18:26 <diva_> note that none of the problems with mono addins will show up in regular use of OpenSim, but they will all show up when using mautil
2019-11-24 18:26 <diva_> it looks like the current version of that dll in OpenSim is incompatible with the current version of mautil in OpenSim
2019-11-24 18:26 <Ubit> / Detected Target-Framework-Id: .NETFramework,Version=v4.6
2019-11-24 18:26 <Ubit> / Referenced assemblies (in metadata order):
2019-11-24 18:26 <Ubit> / mscorlib, Version=4.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089
2019-11-24 18:26 <Ubit> 	// Assembly reference loading information:
2019-11-24 18:26 <Ubit> 	// Info: Success - Loading from: C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework64\v4.0.30319\mscorlib.dll
2019-11-24 18:26 <Ubit> / System, Version=4.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089
2019-11-24 18:26 <Ubit> 	// Assembly reference loading information:
2019-11-24 18:26 <Ubit> 	// Info: Success - Loading from: C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\assembly\GAC_MSIL\System\v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089\System.dll
2019-11-24 18:26 <Ubit> / Assembly load log including transitive references:
2019-11-24 18:26 <Ubit> / mscorlib, Version=4.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089
2019-11-24 18:27 <Ubit> 	// Info: Success - Loading from: C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework64\v4.0.30319\mscorlib.dll
2019-11-24 18:27 <Ubit> / System, Version=4.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089
2019-11-24 18:27 <Ubit> 	// Info: Success - Loading from: C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\assembly\GAC_MSIL\System\v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089\System.dll
2019-11-24 18:27 <diva_> what is this?
2019-11-24 18:27 <Ubit> thats what i commited
2019-11-24 18:27 <Ubit> its framework and references
2019-11-24 18:27 <diva_> I don't understand what it means
2019-11-24 18:28 <diva_> as is, mautil cannot be used
2019-11-24 18:29 <diva_> should we just upgrade mono addins to their current master?
2019-11-24 18:29 <diva_> now that they've merged my PR
2019-11-24 18:31 <Ubit> Bahh
2019-11-24 18:31 <Ubit> damm stupid over clever projects
2019-11-24 18:33 <diva_> oh hold on
2019-11-24 18:33 <Ubit> i see the stupid issue
2019-11-24 18:34 <diva_> ok, yeah, it's broken
2019-11-24 18:40 <Ubit> what is the program or dll that directly complains?
2019-11-24 18:40 <diva_> mautil
2019-11-24 18:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #6604 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-24 18:44 <Ubit> well try again plz
2019-11-24 18:45 <diva_> kk
2019-11-24 18:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6604: SUCCESS in 4 min 36 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6604/
2019-11-24 18:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: and yes mono-addins again
2019-11-24 18:51 <diva_> Ubit it's not not working
2019-11-24 18:51 <diva_> Ubit it's still not working
2019-11-24 18:56 <Ubit> what is the error?
2019-11-24 19:08 <Tampa> Btw I noticed the older version of libgdiplus also works much nicer with warp3d
2019-11-24 19:10 <Ubit> :(
2019-11-24 19:17 <Tampa> Could we potentially ship libgdiplus with libomv? Could take the pending pull request, merge it, build it and ship it along, it's not hard to build has a make script
2019-11-24 19:17 <Tampa> System drawing is awfully dependent on system libs as is, on different distros you get different style fonts even
2019-11-24 19:18 <Tampa> Shipping system independent and unified libs as well as fonts seems logical to me at least
2019-11-24 19:24 <diva_> Ubit exact same error
2019-11-24 19:25 <Ubit> never seen the error
2019-11-24 19:25 <diva_> Ubit
2019-11-24 19:25 <diva_> do this
2019-11-24 19:26 <diva_> go to bin
2019-11-24 19:26 <diva_> and type ./mautil.exe pack OpenSim
2019-11-24 19:26 <diva_> you;ll see the error
2019-11-24 19:27 <diva_> (it doesn't matter that there's nothing to pack in that particular case, but it will trigger the version problem)
2019-11-24 19:28 <BillBlight> root@regions2:/home/sims/osgrid3# ./mautil.exe pack OpenSim
2019-11-24 19:28 <BillBlight> ERROR: Could not read folder info file (Could not find a part of the path '/root/.config/mono.addins/addin-db-002/addin-dir-data'.)
2019-11-24 19:28 <BillBlight> ERROR: There was an error while scanning add-in: /home/sims/osgrid3/OpenSim (Could not find file "/home/sims/osgrid3/OpenSim")
2019-11-24 19:28 <BillBlight> ERROR: Could not read add-in file: OpenSim
2019-11-24 19:28 <BillBlight> root@regions2:/home/sims/osgrid3#
2019-11-24 19:40 <diva_> do you see the error, Ubit?
2019-11-24 19:41 <Ubit> yes
2019-11-24 19:42 <diva_> cool
2019-11-24 20:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #6605 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-24 20:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6605: SUCCESS in 4 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6605/
2019-11-24 20:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: and yes mono-addins ....
2019-11-24 20:13 <Ubit> now where did this crap created OpenSim_0.9.1.1.mpack ?
2019-11-24 20:14 <Ubit> nm
2019-11-24 20:16 <Ubit> grr why is kfm crossing now bad...  grrr
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2019-11-26 13:15 <PunyaUK> Just a quick one - I notice that   llRequestSimulatorData(SimAddress, DATA_SIM_STATUS) seems to just return either 'up' or 'down' and never 'starting' or 'stopping' as per SecondLife wiki, so wondering if that's just a quirk/feature of OpenSim?
2019-11-26 13:17 <PunyaUK> Actually correct that, it seems to give either 'up' or else 'unknown'  for everything else!
2019-11-26 19:11 <Ubit> meeting at osgrid region dev outreach going on
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2019-11-27 12:06 <osmantis> Bug #8631:04 After last update to git master, regions wil not start correctly anymore. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8631 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-27 12:09 <osmantis> Bug #8631:04 After last update to git master, regions wil not start correctly anymore. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8631 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-11-27 12:50 <Tampa> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commitdiff&p=opensim&h=61f918cbda3d928356a15e2b98767279d5b4262b
2019-11-27 12:50 <Tampa> Apparently reverting this commit fixes some issues I been hearing about of larger regions failing to rezz all objects
2019-11-27 12:50 <Tampa> They would rezz up to 20000 prims then stop
2019-11-27 12:51 <Tampa> So in stock configuration the limits are too strict
2019-11-27 12:58 <Ubit> no relation
2019-11-27 13:30 <Tampa> I only report what I can see, which is revert commit region loads fully, add commit, region only loads ~20000 prims
2019-11-27 13:30 <Tampa> Somethings up big time with this, I got two emails from other grids and a few of my own residents reporting issues
2019-11-27 13:30 <Tampa> False positive always an option I guess
2019-11-27 13:31 <Tampa> Though not sure where else in the last 100 or so commits the cause could be other than that one
2019-11-27 13:38 <Ramloll20199> I am trying to login as nickname but webchat is not accepting it, any hints how to fix it?
2019-11-27 13:39 <Ramloll20199> I also feel am not seeing any messages
2019-11-27 13:39 <Ubit> i see yours
2019-11-27 13:39 <Tampa> Try an actual client, works heaps better, else ircloud or whatever its called
2019-11-27 13:39 <Ubit> and you are here,,
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2019-11-27 15:07 <Ramloll20199> OK I think I know what happened, when I closed one tab, the server did not realize that I was logged out. So it created a new nickname.
2019-11-27 15:36 <Ai_Austin> Diva is good with the change.. see my e-mail for suggestion Ubit
2019-11-27 15:36 <Ai_Austin> It might be a good idea to leave the current button with "Download" but relabel that 
2019-11-27 15:36 <Ai_Austin>      Other Binary Packages and Distributions
2019-11-27 15:36 <Ai_Austin> and link it to http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Download
2019-11-27 15:36 <Ai_Austin> As well as leaving the text link below it, as now...
2019-11-27 15:36 <Ai_Austin>      Other downloads may be found at either the Download page, or the OpenSim Release Repository.
2019-11-27 16:07 <Ramloll2019> This is kind of a long shot, but let me try. I will describe a behavior on 0.9.1 and let me know what could be happening. I have one rezzor that rezzes a building and a number of child rezzors which each rezzes their own objects. On 0.8.1 any complex scenes were rezzing without any issues. But with 0.9.1 the scene loads, objects are rezzed, but
2019-11-27 16:07 <Ramloll2019> they do not appear .. and FPS drops to 0 and stays there for 10 mins. Any ideas why this may be happening?
2019-11-27 16:08 <Ramloll2019> screenshot of the scene here ... 
2019-11-27 16:10 <Ubit> we take you word for it, no need for screenshot, but we may need a copy of such object to check
2019-11-27 16:10 <Ramloll2019> https://i.imgur.com/OAQv0FN.jpg
2019-11-27 16:10 <Ubit> yeah.. meaningless shot :)
2019-11-27 16:11 <Ramloll2019> this appeared after 10 mins though
2019-11-27 16:11 <Ramloll2019> after FPS was at 0
2019-11-27 16:11 <Ubit> can't tell ehats messing or not
2019-11-27 16:11 <Ramloll2019> they were there....
2019-11-27 16:12 <Ramloll2019> ehats?
2019-11-27 16:12 <Ubit> what's
2019-11-27 16:12 <Ramloll2019> OK I will follow up and provide the test object.
2019-11-27 16:12 <Ubit> you can test at osgrid snadbox plaza
2019-11-27 16:13 <Ramloll2019> Ok
2019-11-27 16:13 <Ramloll2019> and thanks :)
2019-11-27 16:15 <Ubit> if also fails, then guess ill need a copy
2019-11-27 16:16 <Ubit> well HG transfers maybe a extra issue on that..
2019-11-27 16:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #6606 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-11-27 16:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6606: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6606/
2019-11-27 16:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few changes on check targets for lsl
2019-11-27 18:23 <PiusNoel> today I was busy and have no time left. I'll test that rezzing issue on a region I have on OSGrid where I load up to 60'000 objects tomorrow.
2019-11-27 19:46 <osmantis> Bug #8290:04 PGSQL: "operator does not exist: character varying = uuid" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8290 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-27 19:49 <osmantis> Bug #8290:04 PGSQL: "operator does not exist: character varying = uuid" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8290 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-28 03:57 <zontreck> is there any plans to switch over to DotNet Core? It would eliminate the need for mono since core supports Mac, Linux and Windows. 
2019-11-28 07:29 <PiusNoel> DotNet Core will disappear in the future. The next DotNet will be .NET 5 scheduled for release in November 2020. 
2019-11-28 07:29 <PiusNoel> https://devblogs.microsoft.com/dotnet/introducing-net-5/
2019-11-28 09:48 <zontreck> is there a basic currency module w/ fake currency similar to how Aditi functions?  Would be nice to be able to test some of my scripts that use money events
2019-11-28 10:10 <BillBlight> you can get the old DTL/NSL Money Server working with master with a bit of hammering, or you can setup gloebit in sandbox mode ..
2019-11-28 10:28 <PiusNoel> for now, in my environment (Ubuntu/Mono), I cannot confirm problems when rezzing more than 20'000 objects or prims. Whether rezzing existing object or creating new ones, I had no unusual problems rezzing >27'000 prims. In the latter case it has become very slow and, while watching, my Firestorm crashed twice. I've alo seen unusal messages at the
2019-11-28 10:28 <PiusNoel> console, but rezzing still continued. I tested on OSGrid on the regions Quaternion and Prim.
2019-11-28 10:29 <PiusNoel> *also
2019-11-28 10:31 <Ubit> single prims or linksets?
2019-11-28 10:31 <PiusNoel> both
2019-11-28 10:32 <PiusNoel> in a mix... linksets with about 1300 prims (not sure)
2019-11-28 10:33 <Ubit> and viewer crash? yeack
2019-11-28 10:34 <Ubit> well to rez a ton of prims at once is pure suicidal...
2019-11-28 10:34 <Ubit> rez is very heavy for all parts ( region and viewer )
2019-11-28 10:35 <PiusNoel> yes, viewer crash twice. the linsets have 2304 prims 
2019-11-28 10:35 <Ubit> sl max linkset is 256
2019-11-28 10:35 <PiusNoel> lol.. theis is not SL ;)
2019-11-28 10:35 <Ubit> ( thats what viewers expect )
2019-11-28 10:35 <Ubit> yeah but viewers are..
2019-11-28 10:36 <PiusNoel> sure I usually dont test that.
2019-11-28 10:36 <Ubit> ( and does not matter .. good reasons for thise limits )
2019-11-28 10:36 <Ubit> some sl limits aren't there bc sl is bad.. but because sl is good
2019-11-28 10:36 <Ubit> lol
2019-11-28 10:37 <PiusNoel> let me know if you need more specific tests.
2019-11-28 10:37 <Ubit> select such a linkset its a total nightmare on current protocol
2019-11-28 10:37 <Ubit> just select..
2019-11-28 10:38 <PiusNoel> that's why it ttok so long to tell you havw many prims
2019-11-28 10:38 <PiusNoel> *took
2019-11-28 10:38 <Ubit> well if rezzing a ton of prims, i can expect the region to tell you "OK came back later"
2019-11-28 10:38 <Ubit> :)
2019-11-28 10:39 <Ubit> how did you rez 20000k prims?
2019-11-28 10:39 <Ubit> all taken to inv at same time?
2019-11-28 10:40 <Ubit> oops 20000k ?? yeack :)
2019-11-28 10:40 <Ubit> 20k
2019-11-28 10:41 <PiusNoel> no ... rezzer script, except for the linksets
2019-11-28 10:42 <Ubit> 20k prims inside another?
2019-11-28 10:43 <Ubit> gezz so many balls :)
2019-11-28 10:43 <PiusNoel> no it flies aroud and drops them one after the other
2019-11-28 10:44 <Ubit> well no idea what was the reported rezzer case
2019-11-28 10:44 <Ubit> guess total linksets etc
2019-11-28 10:45 <Ubit> 60k spheres? lol
2019-11-28 10:45 <PiusNoel> yes, I guess so... we need more information
2019-11-28 10:46 <PiusNoel> I need a script to clean up ;)
2019-11-28 10:47 <Ubit> nice boxes structures
2019-11-28 13:39 <osmantis> Bug #8630:04 Memory Leak on YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8630 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-28 15:05 <Ramloll2019> Hi Pius, we are not really rezzing in the thousands, may be at most 100 prims in child rezzors, and the process is spread out over time.
2019-11-28 15:06 <Ramloll2019> Am not sure it is a viewer issue, because things worked find in 0.8 
2019-11-28 15:07 <Ramloll2019> Anyway, will try to make a better test frame work and document.
2019-11-28 15:08 <Ubit> no need for large documentation :p
2019-11-28 15:13 <Ramloll2019> I don't think 256 limit for a linkset is viewer side, in our opensim setup we have far more working just fine.
2019-11-28 15:13 <Ubit> so but its a sl limit, and viewers are tested on it
2019-11-28 15:14 <Ubit> just make a linkset of 1000 prims and cry with the time it takes to select it
2019-11-28 15:15 <Ubit> pius has a 2k prims ( boxes and spheres) on his region..
2019-11-28 15:15 <Ubit> just select takes a few seconds, and when selected FS  fps drops from limited 60 to just 20
2019-11-28 15:15 <Ubit> during select it even dropped to 3
2019-11-28 15:17 <Ubit> and moving a non physical linkset currently will make our physics engines smoke the cpu...
2019-11-28 15:17 <Ubit> thats a original opensim mistake, i could work on for ubode.. but.. yeack
2019-11-28 15:18 <Ubit> well had to change all the framework to do it
2019-11-28 15:18 <Ubit> guess will need 2 one day
2019-11-28 15:19 <Ubit> just remembered that testing kfm with 200 prims object
2019-11-28 15:19 <Ubit> you made that IMA viewer video?
2019-11-28 15:20 <Ramloll2019> oh the review one?
2019-11-28 15:20 <Ubit> if so, since when moving the camera down to butt height is changing to 1st person??
2019-11-28 15:20 <Ramloll2019> I think they have their own...
2019-11-28 15:20 <Ramloll2019> I just played with SceneGate and recorded it.
2019-11-28 15:21 <Ubit> yes but on my book that is 3rd person
2019-11-28 15:21 <Ubit> mouse look is 1st person
2019-11-28 15:21 <Ramloll2019> Correct
2019-11-28 15:21 <Ramloll2019> if I said, it is first person, then I made a mistake...
2019-11-28 15:21 <Ramloll2019> I just thought the default cam for 3rd was a good one
2019-11-28 15:21 <Ubit> :)
2019-11-28 15:22 <Ubit> pros and cons
2019-11-28 15:22 <Ubit> we can change that on all viewers
2019-11-28 15:22 <Ubit> im never happy with mine
2019-11-28 15:22 <Ramloll2019> I know, but kids or students don't have time for these tweaks
2019-11-28 15:22 <Ramloll2019> they log in ... take their classes and out they go
2019-11-28 15:23 <Ubit> yeah but hides more things just in front the avatar
2019-11-28 15:23 <Ramloll2019> True, in our application we have a solution for that. Every object in our scenes can be scene from a ideal position.
2019-11-28 15:23 <Ubit> i actually think mouselook should be better
2019-11-28 15:24 <Ramloll2019> We call it 'snap to view' and that's for every object in a linkset or not.
2019-11-28 15:24 <Ubit> many games only have that, and we get good imersion etc
2019-11-28 15:24 <Ubit> and of course clear front view
2019-11-28 15:24 <Ramloll2019> :)  for us, economy of motion is key... and not having to use modal keys
2019-11-28 15:24 <Ramloll2019> so it works in touch screens too
2019-11-28 15:25 <Ubit> in mouse look we need mice to stear grr
2019-11-28 15:25 <Ramloll2019> :)
2019-11-28 15:26 <Ubit> that zoom in
2019-11-28 15:27 <Ramloll2019> Yes in the SeaGate viewer they have zoomin (the usual one).
2019-11-28 15:27 <Ubit> guess uses the alt click normal viewer zoom
2019-11-28 15:27 <Ramloll2019> but does not work with large linksets
2019-11-28 15:27 <Ubit> but that is prim not linkset center
2019-11-28 15:27 <Ramloll2019> Yep
2019-11-28 15:27 <Ubit> guess they should it per prim like you said
2019-11-28 15:28 <Ramloll2019> Agreed
2019-11-28 15:29 <Ubit> well more concerned with those rezzers :)
2019-11-28 15:30 <Ramloll2019> in what way?
2019-11-28 15:30 <Ubit> what is you viewer bandwitdh ?
2019-11-28 15:30 <Ubit> test with 500kbps
2019-11-28 15:30 <Ramloll2019> hmm.. not sure I understand the question, my internet bandwidth? I have a 200 Mbps line at the moment
2019-11-28 15:31 <Ubit> viewer setting
2019-11-28 15:31 <Ramloll2019> oh OK checking
2019-11-28 15:31 <Ubit> that isn't all about you network
2019-11-28 15:31 <Ubit> it is also about gpu, cpu etc
2019-11-28 15:32 <Ramloll2019> ha it is at 1250
2019-11-28 15:32 <Ubit> should be ok
2019-11-28 15:32 <Ubit> but cna test if as any impact
2019-11-28 15:32 <Ramloll2019> Yes we will test for sure
2019-11-28 15:33 <Ubit> avoid having 2 identical viewers running at same time also
2019-11-28 15:33 <Ramloll2019> Ok, noted
2019-11-28 15:33 <Ubit> they now share more files
2019-11-28 15:33 <Ubit> and fear locking issues now and then
2019-11-28 15:34 <Ramloll2019> good to know. Yes we do run many viewers at a time.
2019-11-28 15:34 <Ubit> well so do i :)
2019-11-28 15:39 <Ubit> do not minize viewers during rez.. they drop fps and lose prims
2019-11-28 15:39 <Ubit> or even selecting other application, depending on the settings you have
2019-11-28 15:41 <Ubit> my fs drops from 60fps to 17 when i select other app
2019-11-28 15:41 <Ubit> no idea when minimized :)
2019-11-28 15:42 <Ubit> and thats a good thing.. just seems that with low fps, viewers lose prims
2019-11-28 16:13 <misterblue> what's the viewer people like  these days? Firestorm is having an OpenSim hickup, Dayturn seems ok but doesn't work well on SL, I'm not sure that Black Dragon has all the latest features.... what are people using?
2019-11-28 16:16 <Ubit> im on fs 6.0.2
2019-11-28 16:16 <Ubit> like guess most.. but can only guess
2019-11-28 16:21 <Ubit> grrrr damm SL KFM_PING_PONG
2019-11-28 16:23 <Ubit> i will not do like that ( well even if i could understand what that is )
2019-11-28 16:24 <Ubit> ( seems they have a indexes bug )
2019-11-28 16:51 <djphil> 
ACTION would be happy to finally see kmf caroussel run (like sl)

2019-11-29 00:39 <Tampa> misterblue, according to my logs entries for firestorm, but not all latest version, some singu still, very few copy bots and dayturn only a handful sadly
2019-11-29 00:40 <Tampa> I think Dayturn has promise for the future though only if it truly commits to opensim, at the moment it is still in the "how does SL do it" to some extend
2019-11-29 00:40 <Tampa> Would wish for it to truly go "screw SL" though I suspect that will only happen when that finally shuts down
2019-11-29 00:40 <Tampa> for good
2019-11-30 06:32 <osmantis> Bug #8630:04 Memory Leak on YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8630 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-30 06:37 <osmantis> Bug #8630:04 Memory Leak on YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8630 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-11-30 07:44 <Ubit> disabled that user
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2019-12-01 16:43 <PiusNoel> opensimulator.org (wiki/mantis/git) down? (traceroute/ping/mtr works)
2019-12-01 16:44 <Ubit> sunday holidays
2019-12-01 16:44 <Ubit> machine is overloaded doing some housekeeping
2019-12-01 16:45 <PiusNoel> ok... thanks
2019-12-01 16:50 <PiusNoel> is https://github.com/UbitUmarov/libopenmetaverse the one currently used in OpenSim?
2019-12-01 16:51 <Ubit> when i don't forget to update it
2019-12-01 16:51 <PiusNoel> ok.. good enough for me for now ;)
2019-12-01 16:51 <Ubit> https://bitbucket.org/opensimulator/  the one there i forget a bit less
2019-12-01 16:52 <PiusNoel> ty
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2019-12-03 11:22 <osmantis> Bug #8632:04 Changed event fires with a 0x8 when Physics changes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8632 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-03 14:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #6607 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2019-12-03 14:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8632: stop trigering Changed on just scale checks
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2019-12-03 18:37 <osmantis> Bug #7636:04 Avatars cannot login/verify, Diva distro, standalone + OSG on one PC. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7636 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-12-03 18:41 <Ubit> oh Marilyn the bartender is back
2019-12-03 18:44 <Ubit> Meow meow.. outreach meow Marilyn meow
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2019-12-03 21:12 <osmantis> Bug #8633:04 Unable to connect to MySQL 8.xx with "mysql_native_plugin" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8633 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2019-12-04 02:33 <Plugh> During startup of a region in a testgrid I'm getting two messages one immediately after the other of the form -> [LAND MANAGEMENT MODULE]: Cannot add parcel "Sandbox", local ID 2 at tile 0,0 because this is still occupied by parcel "Sandbox (test grid)", local ID 1 in Sandbox
2019-12-04 02:34 <Plugh> I know it means that there is a duplicate, or overlapping, entry in the land table for the region. How can I be sure which entry is actually being used and which one should be removed?
2019-12-04 03:09 <danbanner> easiest way is use land clear 
2019-12-04 03:10 <danbanner> are they both listed as ID 2?
2019-12-04 03:50 <Plugh> Darn. Missed dan by 12 minutes.
2019-12-04 06:55 <osmantis> Bug #8633:04 Unable to connect to MySQL 8.xx with "mysql_native_plugin" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8633 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-12-04 10:19 <Tampa> FS is silent, Dayturn refused to fix, maybe Singu saves us: https://singularityviewer.atlassian.net/browse/SV-2363 :)
2019-12-04 12:38 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-12-05 16:54 <ramram2020> 
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2019-12-05 18:44 <osmantis> Bug #8366:04 Attached scripts lose all state on first hypergrid jump 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8366 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2019-12-06 05:41 <Plugh> danbanner: I missed you by 12 minutes the other day. What will land clear do? There are three entries in the land table for the region. All have LocalLandID set to 1.
2019-12-10 12:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #6608 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2019-12-10 12:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: enforce invariant culture on landmarks
2019-12-10 12:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #6609 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2019-12-10 12:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a formal lock object
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2019-12-10 18:41 <Ubit> meow... meow.. outreach.. 
2019-12-10 18:42 <Ubit> my cats looking at me lol
2019-12-10 19:00 <Ubit> meeting at osg dev outreach..
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2019-12-11 17:24 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-11 18:54 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-11 21:40 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-12 08:41 <osmantis> Bug #8634:04 Request a method to set the position of an avatar when standing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8634 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-12 09:50 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-12 10:19 <osmantis> Bug #8634:04 Request a method to set the position of an avatar when standing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8634 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-12 10:59 <osmantis> Bug #8634:04 Request a method to set the position of an avatar when standing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8634 ): has been set as DUPLICATE OF issue 0008503.
2019-12-12 10:59 <osmantis> Bug #8503:04 When Avi gets up after sitting he makes an unnatural air jump 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8503 ): The issue 0008634 has been set as DUPLICATE OF the following issue.
2019-12-12 15:51 <osmantis> Bug #8636:04 [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: Exception on teleport ... Object reference not set to an instance of an object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8636 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-12-12 17:03 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-12 19:26 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-12 20:29 <osmantis> Bug #8503:04 When Avi gets up after sitting he makes an unnatural air jump 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8503 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-12 20:51 <osmantis> Bug #8636:04 [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: Exception on teleport ... Object reference not set to an instance of an object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8636 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-12 20:54 <osmantis> Bug #8636:04 [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: Exception on teleport ... Object reference not set to an instance of an object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8636 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-12 22:24 <osmantis> Bug #8636:04 [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: Exception on teleport ... Object reference not set to an instance of an object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8636 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-12 22:44 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-13 16:22 <osmantis> Bug #8636:04 [ENTITY TRANSFER MODULE]: Exception on teleport ... Object reference not set to an instance of an object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8636 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-13 17:38 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-13 20:44 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-13 21:29 <Ubit> outch today is friday and 13 ?
2019-12-13 21:29 <Ubit> 
ACTION hides

2019-12-13 21:30 <thoys> :)
2019-12-13 21:41 <Plugh> Yup. Don't walk under any ladders and avoid black cats that might walk across your path. ;)
2019-12-14 20:35 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-14 21:31 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-14 22:33 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-14 22:56 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-14 22:58 <Tampa> This whole thing was no fun
2019-12-14 22:58 <Ubit> :(
2019-12-14 22:59 <Tampa> VOC is a good idea, but it barely works, sending terrain by view distance just does not play with viewers
2019-12-14 22:59 <Tampa> Reverted, problem solved, sad face
2019-12-14 23:00 <Ubit> send terrain by view is old and a option disable by default
2019-12-14 23:00 <Ubit> its major issue is that it is very ugly
2019-12-14 23:01 <Ubit> there is no fog to actually limit view range
2019-12-14 23:01 <Ubit> we see the edge of the sent terrain
2019-12-14 23:01 <Ubit> and very ugly viewer auxiliar plan
2019-12-14 23:01 <Ubit> nothing new on that..
2019-12-14 23:02 <Ubit> send by view distance is off by default
2019-12-14 23:02 <Ubit> ( objects one) 
2019-12-14 23:02 <Ubit> and should stay off for now
2019-12-14 23:02 <Ubit> needs a bit more work
2019-12-14 23:03 <Ubit> VOC is a good feature
2019-12-14 23:03 <Ubit> and should work
2019-12-14 23:03 <Ubit> and my network is worse than it was in 2010
2019-12-14 23:04 <Ubit> ISPs are profit driven.. they will let infrasture to age as much as possible
2019-12-14 23:23 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-15 09:11 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-15 09:21 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-16 01:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #6610 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-12-16 01:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6610: SUCCESS in 5 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6610/
2019-12-16 01:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  do dispatch RequestLure ims
2019-12-16 12:28 <osmantis> Bug #6303:04 Touch event only fires once. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6303 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-16 14:59 <osmantis> Bug #6303:04 Touch event only fires once. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6303 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-16 16:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #6611 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2019-12-16 16:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6611: FAILURE in 1 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6611/
2019-12-16 16:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv
2019-12-16 16:09 <Ubit> oops
2019-12-16 16:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #6612 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6610 14 hr ago)
2019-12-16 16:16 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2019-12-16 16:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6612: FIXED in 4 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6612/
2019-12-16 16:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing files
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2019-12-18 23:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #6613 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2019-12-18 23:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6613: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6613/
2019-12-18 23:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: changes on lludp acks and resends
2019-12-19 03:16 <Tampa> Did we not have Singu dev in here?
2019-12-19 10:22 <Ai_Austin> Hi... if Ubit is there... I saw the latest commit on "changes on lludp acks and resends". AiAldna ndn Openvue grid are updated to that latest version, as is OSGrid RuthAndRoth region. Is it intended to address terrain and object drop out perhaps? Though I personally don't see that at all these days. Any specific testing that you would like done
2019-12-19 10:22 <Ai_Austin> that would be helpful? like 
2019-12-19 10:23 <Ai_Austin> Ah, he is not online I see.
2019-12-19 11:14 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-19 14:06 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-19 15:55 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-19 16:49 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-19 17:02 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-19 17:11 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-19 17:19 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-19 17:24 <PiusNoel> Missing pages: :/
2019-12-19 17:24 <PiusNoel> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OpenSim:Introduction_and_Definitions
2019-12-19 17:24 <PiusNoel> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OpenSim:_Permissions
2019-12-19 17:32 <Ubit> all easy and short things to fill :p
2019-12-19 17:32 <Ubit> well last is easy: "kinda work"
2019-12-19 17:33 <Ubit> :p
2019-12-19 17:33 <Ubit> or Yes we have them and kinda work
2019-12-19 17:33 <Ubit> who needs more info? :p
2019-12-19 17:35 <PiusNoel> Just have come across this because I recently referenced the intro but couldn't find it anymore.
2019-12-19 17:36 <PiusNoel> I'm not sure but I think back in October it was still there.
2019-12-19 17:42 <thoys> Who hosts the site atm? And how to persuade them to update the system to allow letsencrypt to work and have  https:// ? :)
2019-12-19 17:43 <Ubit> first we need to update all that software
2019-12-19 17:43 <Ubit> work in progress
2019-12-19 17:43 <Ubit> and get real
2019-12-19 17:43 <thoys> being done on a separate server I assume? :)
2019-12-19 17:43 <Ubit> who cares about https on public information??
2019-12-19 17:43 <Ubit> gezz 
2019-12-19 17:44 <Ubit> just a few logins there
2019-12-19 17:44 <Ubit> rest is just plain silly
2019-12-19 17:44 <thoys> well search engines will slowely make it disappear if its not encrypted
2019-12-19 17:44 <Ubit> what a religion now 
2019-12-19 17:44 <Ubit> as i said.. just religion
2019-12-19 17:44 <thoys> and people get these silly site not secure warnings
2019-12-19 17:44 <Ubit> why waste cpu on public data?
2019-12-19 17:45 <thoys> feels like they're becoming standards
2019-12-19 17:45 <Ubit> religion yes
2019-12-19 17:46 <thoys> if 80% of the web follows that religion soon than that will be their loss xD
2019-12-19 17:46 <PiusNoel> btw, I've still an open aproval for my account request (for Piusnoel)
2019-12-19 17:48 <Ubit> things are like that
2019-12-19 17:48 <Ubit> like "all must be xml"
2019-12-19 17:48 <Ubit> it took sometime bf guys like google start telling how stupid that is
2019-12-19 17:49 <Ubit> offering protobuffers etc as a lot better alternative
2019-12-19 17:49 <thoys> how about HTTP/2 ? :) that would speed things up again
2019-12-19 17:50 <Ubit> adding more and more crap
2019-12-19 17:50 <Ubit> extending a protocol far behind what is was suposed to be
2019-12-19 17:51 <thoys> like, loading multiple files without closing the connection each time? Sounds like optimization to me
2019-12-19 17:52 <thoys> do you also have a single core processor by any chance ? XD
2019-12-19 17:53 <Ubit> http 1.0 already has keep aline
2019-12-19 17:53 <Ubit> and 1.1 pipeline
2019-12-19 17:53 <thoys> gotcha
2019-12-19 17:53 <Ubit> can't by one :p
2019-12-19 17:54 <Ubit> so 6 cores that slow down a lot if all in usage
2019-12-19 17:54 <thoys> :)
2019-12-19 17:55 <Ubit> is that better than just one at 6Ghz, well possible is
2019-12-19 17:55 <Ubit> but far from 6x better :p
2019-12-19 21:45 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-21 18:24 <misterblue> does the newest Firestorm still crash regions?
2019-12-24 14:20 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-24 14:55 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-24 18:39 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-24 18:51 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-24 20:55 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-26 14:00 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-26 20:09 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-27 10:27 <PunyaUK>  moving_start() and moving_end() events don't work the same as in SecondLife - there is no mention of this on the wiki so wonder if it's a bug or just wiki needs updating?
2019-12-27 10:32 <Ubit> or maybe a proper report?
2019-12-27 11:01 <osmantis> Bug #8637:04 Events moving_start() and moving_end() don't work the same as in Second Life 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8637 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2019-12-27 11:09 <osmantis> Bug #8637:04 Events moving_start() and moving_end() don't work the same as in Second Life 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8637 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-12-27 23:18 <osmantis> Bug #8637:04 Events moving_start() and moving_end() don't work the same as in Second Life 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8637 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-27 23:53 <osmantis> Bug #8637:04 Events moving_start() and moving_end() don't work the same as in Second Life 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8637 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-28 06:20 <djphil> Hello, just found that ... INVENTORY_SETTING seems no implemented. Is that correct ?
2019-12-28 06:21 <djphil> ref: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlGetInventoryType
2019-12-28 11:41 <osmantis> Bug #8637:04 Events moving_start() and moving_end() don't work the same as in Second Life 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8637 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-28 12:33 <osmantis> Bug #8637:04 Events moving_start() and moving_end() don't work the same as in Second Life 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8637 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-28 12:53 <Ubit> no dj we don't have that still
2019-12-28 12:56 <Ubit> and several of that family
2019-12-28 13:00 <Ubit> yeack llSetInventoryPermMask is suicidal
2019-12-28 13:00 <Ubit> jezzz
2019-12-28 13:03 <Ubit> exposing full perms flags, without any protection or mapping..
2019-12-28 13:03 <Ubit> bahh
2019-12-28 14:20 <osmantis> Bug #8637:04 Events moving_start() and moving_end() don't work the same as in Second Life 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8637 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-28 17:07 <djphil> Ok ubit thanks for your reply. I'm going to make a little mantis for him then :)
2019-12-28 17:07 <djphil> About llSetInventoryPermMask, I am using it at the moment because I have found it difficult to share certain "normally full perms" objects with other users and this after applying full perms several times. So I want to try with llSetInventoryPermMask to see if it works better when we do it with a script ...
2019-12-28 17:10 <djphil> Ho but I see that INVENTORY_SETTING is already on mantis ... #8489
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2019-12-30 18:08 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-31 14:25 <Ubit> so one less missing prims issue ai ?
2019-12-31 14:39 <Ai_Austin> I think so.  Gimisa seems to believe he does not have that spefific issue.  he has serious slow links between his viewer (on a Linux laptop and his own local network grid, but it worked pretty well for me even in UK (to his French servers) on a slow 20mb link.  I was getting 50fps on ultra and 512m draw distance and he was only seeing 10 to
2019-12-31 14:39 <Ai_Austin> 15fps on low wquality.
2019-12-31 14:40 <Ai_Austin> lets assume he is sorted.  AlanScotch is a different story as he says he is on 0.9.1.1 dev maste4r (maybe not the very latest with the UDP fix, but pretty recent. 
2019-12-31 14:40 <Ubit> yes bad gpu performance has been my guess since start
2019-12-31 14:41 <Ai_Austin> His grid is not online though - and I have tried 3 time sin last few days.Will keep trying
2019-12-31 14:41 <Ubit> last changes where about holding down udp it viewer does not ack
2019-12-31 14:41 <Ai_Austin> His GPU is a built in one on a laptop
2019-12-31 14:41 <Ai_Austin> Viewer system:
2019-12-31 14:41 <Ai_Austin>  Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4500U CPU @ 1.80GHz (798.224 MHz)
2019-12-31 14:41 <Ai_Austin>  Memory: 7862 MB
2019-12-31 14:41 <Ai_Austin>  OS Version: Linux 5.0.0-37-generic #40~18.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Thu Nov 14 12:06:39 UTC 2019 x86_64
2019-12-31 14:41 <Ai_Austin>  Graphics Card Vendor: Intel Open Source Technology Center
2019-12-31 14:41 <Ai_Austin>  Graphics Card: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Haswell Mobile
2019-12-31 14:41 <Ubit> and i do mean total halt :p
2019-12-31 14:42 <Ubit> ( only resends do pass )
2019-12-31 14:43 <Ai_Austin> But he makes a good popint, that we did not see the issue beforehand, and even if slow to load it shoul;d all EVENTUUALLY come in.
2019-12-31 14:43 <Ubit> alan ive no idea
2019-12-31 14:43 <Ai_Austin> Anyway with 0.9.1.1 as of 18-Dec-2019 and a viewer we know like FS 6.0.2 he is resolved
2019-12-31 14:43 <Ubit> good
2019-12-31 14:43 <Ai_Austin> Now AlanScotch?
2019-12-31 14:43 <Ubit> no idea
2019-12-31 14:43 <Ubit> well 0.9.1.1 release will not happen this year
2019-12-31 14:44 <Ubit> not even this decade :p
2019-12-31 14:44 <Ai_Austin> I asked gimisa to put a note on the mantis to that effect.  If eh does not do it today I will add a note of the details.  I spent 3 hours with him on this yesterday. He is hung upm on the obnjects stats but I tried to persuade him that could vary by all sorts f things... but actually I got a solid (same) figure on each visit so lojgn as my avatar
2019-12-31 14:44 <Ai_Austin> was in an identical place
2019-12-31 14:45 <Ai_Austin>   nice to have a 2020 release then eh Ubit?:-) 
2019-12-31 14:45 <Ubit> thanks for all that debug work
2019-12-31 14:45 <Ubit> well i had the idea of releasing just after oscc
2019-12-31 14:45 <Ubit> but that issue made me wait :(
2019-12-31 14:46 <Ubit> other reports at digi, also seem to have stopped now
2019-12-31 14:46 <Ai_Austin> Unless there are other issues, I think it will be good to push out 0.9.1.1., so Diva at least can get up to date. I worry about seeing her 0.9.0.0 still on the downloads page.  And I still think all the 0s and 1s in recent releases are just confusing everyone, especially as Dev versions have been 0.9.1.* for 2 years now
2019-12-31 14:47 <Ai_Austin> so moving to 0.9.2.0 for the dev master will in my view be a GOOD THING! :-)
2019-12-31 14:47 <Ubit> nahh 0.9.1.1.1
2019-12-31 14:47 <Ai_Austin> Remember to change the release "name" back to "Snail" before you build the 0.9.1.1 release Ubit
2019-12-31 14:47 <Tampa> 9.9.1.11 
2019-12-31 14:48 <Ubit> yeah hope i don't forget that :)
2019-12-31 14:48 <Tampa> Next year april fools, 1.0
2019-12-31 14:48 <Ai_Austin> if another post fix is needed PLEASE use 0.9.1.2 !!
2019-12-31 14:48 <Ubit> 0.9.1.1.1 seems cool :p
2019-12-31 14:48 <Ai_Austin> But now 0.9.2.0 Yeti for the dev master branch after this fix release 0.9.1.1 Snail ?
2019-12-31 14:49 <Ai_Austin> why not go all binary then..     0.1001.1.1.1
2019-12-31 14:49 <Ubit> :)
2019-12-31 14:50 <Ubit> you did got the change LOL
2019-12-31 14:50 <Ai_Austin> Wish I could get hold of AlanScotch or visit his grid to try my theories about what might be the issue there. But if he does not come back online or on mantis soon at elast a 0.9.1.1 release will give us a definite base we can ask him to check against
2019-12-31 14:50 <Ubit> but hexa is another option
2019-12-31 14:51 <Ubit> 0.A.0.0
2019-12-31 14:52 <Ubit> april release F0.0.B
2019-12-31 14:52 <Ubit> petty hexa does not include L
2019-12-31 14:52 <Ai_Austin> He might be using DreamGrid going on  his loginurl of http://wonder./outwworldz.net:8002 so I just e-mailed Fred to ask him to updatye DreamGrid to 18-Dec-2019 OpenSim when he can. he is on 3-Dec-2019 code at the moment - same as OSGrid.  Come to think of it we ought to see if OSGrid will update soon too?
2019-12-31 14:53 <Ubit> 066a-.. is "burning" at lbsa
2019-12-31 14:54 <Ubit> also thing next osg release will be next decade :)
2019-12-31 14:54 <Ubit> think..
2019-12-31 14:55 <Ai_Austin> some folks argue the next decade does not start until 1-Jan-2021
2019-12-31 14:55 <Ai_Austin> Happy new year/decade everyone
2019-12-31 14:55 <Ubit> ppl love to make dates a mess
2019-12-31 14:56 <Ubit> :)
2019-12-31 14:57 <Ubit> wel we had to have the gcg incident to mess things up
2019-12-31 15:05 <Ai_Austin> Must dash.. new Years eve preps call
2019-12-31 15:05 <Ai_Austin> bye
2019-12-31 17:11 <Ubit> happy new year ppl
2019-12-31 17:11 <Ubit> getting lost at RL :)
2019-12-31 17:33 <AliciaRaven> happy new year :)
2019-12-31 21:06 <misterblue> The new year is not here yet... <taps-fingers-impatiently-emoticon/>
2019-12-31 21:37 <osmantis> Bug #8632:04 Changed event fires with a 0x8 when Physics changes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8632 ): has been UPDATED.
2019-12-31 21:38 <osmantis> Bug #8632:04 Changed event fires with a 0x8 when Physics changes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8632 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-12-31 21:41 <osmantis> Bug #8633:04 Unable to connect to MySQL 8.xx with "mysql_native_plugin" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8633 ): has been RESOLVED.
2019-12-31 22:58 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-31 23:02 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2019-12-31 23:14 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-01 06:00 <AllenKerensky> Happy New Year!
2020-01-01 06:11 <djphil> Happy New Year everyone :)
2020-01-01 06:15 <danbanner> Happy New Year everyone!
2020-01-01 09:53 <Ubit> hmm seems a lot like old year
2020-01-02 12:07 <osmantis> Bug #8516:04 Missing Objects and/or Terrain Parts on Teleport between Grids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8516 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-02 14:54 <Ai_Austin> Ubit, are you online?
2020-01-02 14:54 <Ubit> hi
2020-01-02 14:54 <Ubit> yes here and there
2020-01-02 14:54 <Ai_Austin> When on an OSGrid region and I do About  in the viewer it shows me a git code and build date for the version of the server code like this...
2020-01-02 14:55 <Ai_Austin> OpenSim 0.9.1.1 Yeti Dev   OSgrid 0.9.1.1 Yeti Dev   052e4a060c: 2019-12-03 14:27:31 +0000 (Win/.NET)
2020-01-02 14:55 <Ai_Austin> On my own compiles of Gitdevmaster I only get
2020-01-02 14:55 <Ai_Austin> OpenSim 0.9.1.1 Yeti Dev          (Win/.NET)
2020-01-02 14:55 <Ubit> old thing
2020-01-02 14:55 <Ai_Austin> is there something needed to get the system to add in the git commit and date somehow?
2020-01-02 14:56 <Ubit> win does not generate the git number
2020-01-02 14:56 <Ai_Austin> ah.  okay, thanks
2020-01-02 14:56 <Ubit> or does not show it
2020-01-02 14:56 <Ai_Austin> NP, just thought I would add it in if it was an option... it helps when testing as with gimisa
2020-01-02 14:56 <Ubit> im tring to write a email for you anf beq :p
2020-01-02 14:56 <Ai_Austin> okay
2020-01-02 14:58 <Ai_Austin> I have done tests from 0.9.1.1 to 0.8.* grids (Littlefield) with observer on FS 6.0.2 and that wiorks fine to my test.  Also just wa son OSGrid lbsa plaz and had good feedback from those around with various viewers and all works as expected.  I am not (yet) seeing the white avatar texture or the very pdd skirt shape (yet!)
2020-01-02 15:08 <Ubit> what had i said about testing BOM on HG ?
2020-01-02 15:17 <Ubit> white avatars means missing texture.. 
2020-01-02 15:22 <Ai_Austin> yes.. where does it go AWOL though?  having said that I am not (yet) seeing it even moving to Kitely, Littlefield Grid, etc which are on 0.8.2.1
2020-01-02 15:23 <Ai_Austin> and I have not understood how I get the skirt classic basic clothing shape (also whiote) sometime in the view of an observer on FS 6.0.2 when using 6.3.5.. which I don't see fi I reklog in with botth on 6.0.2
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2020-01-04 21:39 <osmantis> Bug #7868:04 "My Suitcase" folder missing in OSgrid. (unavailabe) objects are available 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7868 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2020-01-04 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #7868:04 "My Suitcase" folder missing in OSgrid. (unavailabe) objects are available 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7868 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-01-04 21:56 <osmantis> Bug #8634:04 Request a method to set the position of an avatar when standing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8634 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-04 22:56 <osmantis> Bug #8634:04 Request a method to set the position of an avatar when standing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8634 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-01-05 17:16 <osmantis> Bug #8638:04 On region shutdown, NPC is removed and the restated as a child agent in the shurttigdown region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8638 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-01-05 17:16 <osmantis> Bug #8638:04 On region shutdown, NPC is removed as root agent but then restated as a child agent in the shutting down region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8638 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-01-05 17:20 <osmantis> Bug #8638:04 On region shutdown, NPC is removed as root agent but then restated as a child agent in the shutting down region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8638 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-05 17:39 <osmantis> Bug #8638:04 On region shutdown, NPC is removed as root agent but then restated as a child agent in the shutting down region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8638 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-01-05 17:55 <osmantis> Bug #8638:04 On region shutdown, NPC is removed as root agent but then restated as a child agent in the shutting down region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8638 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-05 17:58 <osmantis> Bug #8638:04 On region shutdown, NPC is removed as root agent but then restated as a child agent in the shutting down region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8638 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-05 19:00 <osmantis> Bug #8638:04 On region shutdown, NPC is removed as root agent but then restated as a child agent in the shutting down region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8638 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-05 19:23 <osmantis> Bug #8638:04 On region shutdown, NPC is removed as root agent but then restated as a child agent in the shutting down region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8638 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2020-01-06 03:01 <Tampa> "What is the purpose of having terrain below 0?" I almost replied "42" I mean really does it need explanation, it's a change so adjust the viewer for it
2020-01-06 03:02 <Ubit> yeah
2020-01-06 03:03 <Ubit> some ppl did built regions with things below zero and owners kept using viewers withou advanced light
2020-01-06 03:04 <Ubit> and now want that to work
2020-01-06 03:04 <Tampa> Not an unreasonable request imo
2020-01-06 03:04 <Ubit> well i did removed some region restrictions allowing < 0 terrain
2020-01-06 03:05 <Tampa> That's why I asked all viewers to adjust their rendering to better create the shader there
2020-01-06 03:05 <Ubit> kinda work if you disable advanced light on viewers
2020-01-06 03:05 <Tampa> So far none have done a thing
2020-01-06 03:05 <Ubit> and will not
2020-01-06 03:05 <Tampa> I hoped Singu at least would do something, guess not
2020-01-06 03:05 <Ubit> sl spec is terrain > 0
2020-01-06 03:05 <Tampa> And folks wonder what's holding everything back
2020-01-06 03:05 <Tampa> Short answer: SL
2020-01-06 03:06 <Ubit> ( and rendiring is been changing for EEP, so no  one will touch it now )
2020-01-06 03:06 <Tampa> No one seems to want to move a muscle then wonders why things stagnate
2020-01-06 03:07 <Tampa> Like really, does SL really have the superior spec, I really don't think so anymore
2020-01-06 03:07 <Ubit> SL is a costumized engine with simplified models
2020-01-06 03:08 <Ubit> ( ie viewers + servers )
2020-01-06 03:08 <Tampa> SL is a cancer
2020-01-06 03:08 <Ubit> well a cancer that did create this that you love
2020-01-06 03:08 <Ubit> and still provides you 80% of the software you use, for free
2020-01-06 03:09 <Tampa> It spawned an idea to make a less bad version of itself
2020-01-06 03:09 <Ubit> 80.. 70.. 60.. something like that
2020-01-06 03:09 <Tampa> That doesn't make it any better frankly
2020-01-06 03:09 <Ubit> well i looked again to AISv3
2020-01-06 03:09 <Ubit> what a total crap...
2020-01-06 03:11 <Ubit> that A, i did knew "stupid inventory service" started with a "A"
2020-01-06 03:11 <Ubit> :p
2020-01-06 03:11 <Ubit> ( ok im bad.. )
2020-01-06 03:12 <Ubit> but that crap does not even follow capabilities uri shema
2020-01-06 08:15 <osmantis> Bug #8638:04 On region shutdown, NPC is removed as root agent but then restated as a child agent in the shutting down region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8638 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-07 11:31 <djphil> Hello Dan.
2020-01-07 11:31 <djphil> The url of your cookies on the osgrid website is wrong. I'm talking about the "Learn more" link.
2020-01-07 11:31 <djphil> Currently it is: https://www.osgrid.org/www.osgrid.org/cookies.php
2020-01-07 11:31 <djphil> And it should be: https://www.osgrid.org/cookies.php
2020-01-07 15:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #6614 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-07 15:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6614: SUCCESS in 4 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6614/
2020-01-07 15:25 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change some lsl flag constants to Hexa
2020-01-07 15:25 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change version
2020-01-07 15:33 <Ai_Austin> Ubit.. maybe make the version  "name" be a public const string VersionName = "Yeti" at the top of the VersionInfo.cs file so all the version strings are together and obvious there?
2020-01-07 15:44 <Ubit> cosmetics :)
2020-01-07 15:44 <Ai_Austin> I am a sucker for that :-)
2020-01-07 15:45 <Ubit> we know :)
2020-01-07 15:45 <Ubit> well now how do we make releases?
2020-01-07 15:45 <Ubit> lol
2020-01-07 15:45 <Ai_Austin> great to see 0.9.1.1 in prep I assume...
2020-01-07 15:46 <Ubit> thats the idea :)
2020-01-07 15:46 <Ubit> i should had updated the scripts we have to mk releases
2020-01-07 15:47 <Ubit> but nahhh do it by hand, and then forget :)
2020-01-07 15:48 <Ai_Austin> when the dev master branch is retagged (to 0.9.2.0 here) I see that the zip download file name loses its ddd serial number and the short git hash. I.e. it becomes opensim-0.9.2.0Dev.zip rather than the old style opensim-0.9.1.1Dev-70-g7bdc408.zip … I recall you said that somehow comes back after one more commit after the tag change?  
2020-01-07 15:48 <Ubit> and you always say that
2020-01-07 15:48 <Ubit> lol
2020-01-07 15:49 <Ai_Austin> oh do I -  think of me like Alexa reminder s ;-) 
2020-01-07 15:49 <Ubit> it will have that on next commit
2020-01-07 16:00 <Ai_Austin> To help a bit I put some content in the wiki page for the 0.9.1.1 release and 0.9.2.0 stub
2020-01-07 16:00 <Ubit> oh dear
2020-01-07 16:00 <Ubit> LOL
2020-01-07 16:00 <Ubit> kidding :)
2020-01-07 16:03 <Ubit> jezz just made a release a few months ago and looking to console "now what"  lol
2020-01-07 17:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #6615 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-07 17:31 <Tampa> I patch version info to opensim-type-build so its opensim-testing-b120 imo the way things are done these stable releases, given how often we do postfixes, seems silly, but each to their own
2020-01-07 17:34 <Ubit> well only email missing
2020-01-07 17:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6615: SUCCESS in 4 min 36 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6615/
2020-01-07 17:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update release notes url
2020-01-07 18:50 <Ubit> meeting at dev outreach, remember? ( in 10 minutes )
2020-01-07 19:55 <cslcm> Hi all, what's the current process for submitting a patch?
2020-01-07 19:55 <cslcm> (I don't regularly contribute)
2020-01-07 20:02 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Contributions_Policy
2020-01-07 20:08 <cslcm> looks like e-mails from mantis are not working
2020-01-07 20:21 <Ubit> you need to check "junk" filters etc
2020-01-07 20:40 <Plugh> A new user account was created about 35 minutes ago by someone whose initials are CW.
2020-01-07 20:44 <cslcm> Plugh: yes, but i didn't receive an activation email
2020-01-07 20:45 <Plugh> cslcm: I'm just letting you know the account is flagged as active. I don't know why you didn't get an email unless it went to the spam folder at your ISP.
2020-01-07 20:45 <cslcm> i don't have a password for it, so i can't log in
2020-01-07 20:46 <cslcm> i tried making a new account at gmail, also no e-mail. I think mantis is broken
2020-01-07 20:47 <Plugh> You have checked your spam folder and there is nothing there?
2020-01-07 20:47 <cslcm> correct
2020-01-07 20:48 <cslcm> i will wait, perhaps it's just hugely backed up
2020-01-07 20:51 <Plugh> cslcm: I can tell the system to reset the password to send out a new confirmation email. I would have expected you to have received an email by now to the original email address.
2020-01-07 20:52 <cslcm> no, i have nothing there unfortunately
2020-01-07 20:53 <Plugh> The system doesn't let me enter a password for a user or I would have asked you to PM me a temporary password.
2020-01-07 20:54 <cslcm> okay, hopefully whoever administers the system will sort it out. Been investigating this bug all day so keen for the fix not to go to waste :)
2020-01-07 20:54 <Ubit> plugh is one :p
2020-01-07 20:55 <cslcm> maybe ssh in and check the mail log then to see what's going on :)
2020-01-07 20:55 <Plugh> I have noticed the machine has a gmail TXT record and SPF record but no DKIM record. 
2020-01-07 20:56 <Plugh> s/machine/DNS/
2020-01-07 20:56 <Ubit> did you check all your junk/spam filters and folders ?
2020-01-07 20:56 <cslcm> yes, on both accounts (protonmail and gmail)
2020-01-07 20:56 <cslcm> a SPF and DKIM fail would just put the mail in junk, unless there's an aggressive DMARC policy
2020-01-07 21:00 <Plugh> I can see the emails for you are being held in the deferred folder. 
2020-01-07 21:01 <Plugh> I've found the second email sitting in a deferred folder.
2020-01-07 21:02 <cslcm> perhaps you could manually e-mail me the contents? that will allow me to sign in at least ^_^
2020-01-07 21:02 <Tampa> Just set his password to something, send him via direct message on irc and let him login to change it, mantis emails don't reach gmail likely because their spam policy is one of the most aggressive and mantis sits on a machine that does not exactly look good to that policy, I get the same when I use sendmail from servers, hotmail does it too. You'd have to setup proper spf, register with various anti spam providers to get the spf verified
2020-01-07 21:03 <Tampa> Huge hassle to get a custom mail server verified hence why using mailjet or aws makes more sense
2020-01-07 21:03 <cslcm> with Hotmail i'd agree with you, but gmail doesn't outright block e-mail unless the sender's configuration is incorrect
2020-01-07 21:03 <Plugh> cslcm: Your email account associated with the mantis account you tried to set up is reported as being over quota.
2020-01-07 21:04 <cslcm> the second, gmail one?
2020-01-07 21:04 <Plugh> The second one that is. The email to the first email address you tried to use was rejected.
2020-01-07 21:04 <cslcm> the first one definitely isn't over quota
2020-01-07 21:04 <Plugh> cslcm: The streamsense is over quota.
2020-01-07 21:04 <cslcm> alright
2020-01-07 21:05 <cslcm> any idea why the first failed?
2020-01-07 21:05 <Plugh> The first one -> co.uk>: Recipient address rejected: this address is being rate limited (in reply to RCPT TO command))
2020-01-07 21:05 <cslcm> ah fair enough
2020-01-07 21:05 <cslcm> that'll go through eventually then
2020-01-07 21:05 <cslcm> thanks for looking into it
2020-01-07 21:05 <Plugh> yw
2020-01-08 09:40 <osmantis> Bug #8639:04 [PATCH] CreateSelected gets lost when ObjectUpdate packet overflows 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8639 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-01-08 09:41 <Ubit> updated http://opensimulator.org/wiki/0.9.1.1_Release a bit
2020-01-08 09:44 <Ubit> seem commit seems odd
2020-01-08 09:46 <Ubit> i mean patch
2020-01-08 09:49 <Ubit> seems you did it on the worng place
2020-01-08 09:50 <Ubit> should be down on line 5212
2020-01-08 09:51 <cslcm> it is on line 5212
2020-01-08 09:52 <Ubit> oops reading patchs :)
2020-01-08 09:52 <cslcm> i mean, i'm not 100% happy with it, really we should be avoiding calling CreatePrimUpdateBlock twice
2020-01-08 09:52 <cslcm> but i presume there's a reason why it's not done that way already
2020-01-08 09:53 <Ubit> forgotten is a reason :)
2020-01-08 09:54 <Ubit> / im lazy now, just do last again  <-- this is also a partial reason
2020-01-08 09:54 <cslcm> i saw that :P
2020-01-08 09:57 <Ubit> yeap one day should recover the data already on buffer
2020-01-08 09:57 <Ubit> but it is overflow cases.. less rare
2020-01-08 09:58 <Ubit> errr more rare
2020-01-08 10:02 <Ubit> same on compressed packets
2020-01-08 10:03 <cslcm> ah, missed that :) sorry
2020-01-08 10:04 <Ubit> np :)
2020-01-08 10:04 <cslcm> oh
2020-01-08 10:04 <cslcm> compressed updates are never sent for a new object though are they?
2020-01-08 10:05 <Ubit> not.. but same logic so doing it anyways
2020-01-08 10:05 <Ubit> hmm well not going to check that
2020-01-08 10:06 <Ubit> its possible they are used
2020-01-08 10:13 <osmantis> Bug #8639:04 [PATCH] CreateSelected gets lost when ObjectUpdate packet overflows 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8639 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-08 10:14 <Ubit> you could had done that BEFORE 911 release
2020-01-08 10:14 <Ubit> lol
2020-01-08 10:14 <Ubit> well guess the email issue prevented that
2020-01-08 10:17 <cslcm> turns out the e-mail issue was because my own servers were spamming me with e-mails lol
2020-01-08 10:18 <Ubit> :)
2020-01-08 10:22 <Ubit> ohh think i can commit now
2020-01-08 10:25 <cslcm> sweet. :)
2020-01-08 10:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #6616 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-08 10:27 <osmantis> Bug #8639:04 [PATCH] CreateSelected gets lost when ObjectUpdate packet overflows 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8639 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-08 10:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6616: SUCCESS in 4 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6616/
2020-01-08 10:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8639: recover object selected state in case of lludp object updates packet size overflow;
2020-01-08 10:32 <Ubit> lbsa is so outdated.. still on 911 Yeti
2020-01-08 10:32 <Ubit> :p
2020-01-08 10:51 <cslcm> hm, is there an issue in master with mesh uploads? every uploaded mesh is coming in as a torus shape 
2020-01-08 11:00 <Ubit> hmm ??
2020-01-08 11:03 <Ubit> just did upload one and it looks fine
2020-01-08 11:04 <Ubit> what viewer?
2020-01-08 11:13 <cslcm> firestormOS - seems to work in 0.9.1.1 but not on master.. but might be my fault. will look into it
2020-01-08 11:15 <Ubit> master is 911 release plus this last commit :)
2020-01-08 11:16 <Ubit> torus is a single face mesh base prim
2020-01-08 15:11 <cslcm> Sometimes i'm getting duplicate packets through despite repeatedly sending ACKS for those packets
2020-01-08 15:11 <cslcm> i'll look into that too
2020-01-08 17:17 <Plugh> Its amazing to see how fast all the scripts in a region load on startup when using YEngine.
2020-01-08 18:20 <Plugh> Why is YEngine throwing a heap error (in git master) when using the default heap size? [YEngine]: Exception while running 1303be84-d75f-4577-a8af-aebeddb1ba09 [10:06:24] &SceneFileManager&: OutOfHeapException: oldtotal=240320, newtotal=360482, limit=262144
2020-01-08 18:20 <Plugh> Default heap is 1Meg but those numbers are less than that.
2020-01-08 20:58 <cslcm> Ubit: what will the next release version be? (i.e do you know the version that my fix will be in? for release notes..)
2020-01-08 20:58 <Ubit> 0.92
2020-01-08 20:58 <cslcm> cool. thanks
2020-01-08 20:59 <Ubit> unless more important fixes are needed on 0.91x
2020-01-08 20:59 <Ubit> that do not justify jump to 92
2020-01-08 21:10 <Plugh> cslcm: Did you get the mantis registration issued sorted?
2020-01-08 21:17 <Ubit> he did
2020-01-08 21:18 <Plugh> ok, good. 
2020-01-08 21:18 <Plugh> cslcm: If you want one of the two accounts you tried to set up deleted let me know.
2020-01-08 22:56 <CH_1> Late good evening. Finally made it here.
2020-01-08 23:10 <Plugh> Hello.
2020-01-08 23:13 <CH_1> Hi. I was told to come here, for dev related conversations. But its so late now, i will have to go to sleep.  Will post my questions, once i try out Opensim.
2020-01-08 23:16 <Ubit> we will be here
2020-01-08 23:16 <Ubit> :p
2020-01-09 13:54 <cslcm> Plugh: please delete the streamsense one :)
2020-01-09 15:08 <Ai_Austin> The Mantis 8639 patch was interesting. I saw the Mantis said "This disrupts viewer import of objects as well as some other tools".  Do you think this can have any impact on the missing objects problems in 0.9.1.0?  It would be useful to know for those who might reporting any continuing issues after updating to 0.9.1.1.
2020-01-09 15:11 <Ubit> no
2020-01-09 15:11 <Ubit> no relation
2020-01-09 15:12 <Ai_Austin> Thanks. Worth knowing.
2020-01-09 15:13 <Ubit> thx for asking :)
2020-01-09 15:14 <Ai_Austin> I have still not managed to catch alanscotch online or his grid to test and check his setup for mantis 8516. But DreamGrid is now updated to include all your patches up to 18-Dec-2019 
2020-01-09 15:15 <Ai_Austin> So if I catch him I will get him to update there and retest
2020-01-09 15:17 <Ubit> opps i did miss the fred thing name change :)
2020-01-09 15:18 <Ubit> fixed
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2020-01-10 01:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #6617 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-10 01:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6617: SUCCESS in 5 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6617/
2020-01-10 01:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add config option GatekeeperURIAlias to list other FQDN or ips of same local grid
2020-01-10 01:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #6618 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-10 01:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6618: SUCCESS in 4 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6618/
2020-01-10 01:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a silly GatekeeperURIAlias example
2020-01-10 11:07 <cslcm> I was thinking about how useful an avatar-archive feature would be, similar to an oar, and I found this ..  https://github.com/QuillLittlefeather/Opensim-Avatar-Archiver  any thoughts on modernising this and bringing it into core?
2020-01-10 11:19 <Ubit> you mean IAR ?
2020-01-10 11:48 <djphil> Avatar Archive is a Aurora-Sim cool stuff :p
2020-01-10 11:48 <Ubit> we do have iar
2020-01-10 11:48 <djphil> true
2020-01-10 11:49 <djphil> https://github.com/aurora-sim/Aurora-Sim/blob/master/AuroraDocs/Avatar%20Archive%20Setup.txt
2020-01-10 11:50 <djphil> I'm not sure iar allow to do the same
2020-01-10 11:50 <Ubit> ok other thing
2020-01-10 11:51 <djphil> maybe it could be improved to manage the avatar picker as well
2020-01-10 11:51 <djphil> Currently, avatar picker is a feature that does not work 100%
2020-01-10 11:52 <djphil> I saw somewhere a method using xmlrpc ...
2020-01-10 12:05 <cslcm> no, IAR is a whole inventory archive right?
2020-01-10 12:05 <Ubit> yes
2020-01-10 12:06 <Ubit> other thing, i see
2020-01-10 12:06 <cslcm> I thought i'd be cool just to be able to export an avatar apparance with attachments
2020-01-10 12:11 <Ubit> or single objects
2020-01-10 13:30 <Tampa> Doesn't that already exist with the npc copy?
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2020-01-10 14:31 <cslcm> Tampa: you can make an xml archive of an avatar with that? I've never used the feature so idk
2020-01-10 14:53 <Tampa> That's an iar, else you can within the same asset server copy appearance via the database
2020-01-10 14:53 <Tampa> Making a backup of just the appearance and not all items seems silly
2020-01-10 14:53 <cslcm> why? Porting avatars between grids without the entire inventory
2020-01-10 14:54 <cslcm> seems a perfectly reasonable thing to me :)
2020-01-10 14:54 <Tampa> Why would you want just an appearance when you can have your inventory, most people want their whole inventory
2020-01-10 14:55 <cslcm> well, my SL inventory is 99% trash :P
2020-01-10 14:56 <Tampa> Last I checked second inventory was broken and only copybot viewers could take stuff out of SL in a somewhat reasonable way even then without scripts and such
2020-01-10 14:56 <cslcm> also it could be very useful for importing starter avatars
2020-01-10 14:56 <cslcm> it was just an example :)
2020-01-10 14:57 <Tampa> Starter avatars you want to use database copy, else you add assets to the server which makes it slower over time
2020-01-10 14:57 <Tampa> Copy means deduplicated 
2020-01-10 15:26 <djphil> don't forget also that remote admin is able to create starting avatars
2020-01-10 15:27 <cslcm> Well, it was only an example. Personally I would like to be able to save my avatars to an archive so i can selectively import them to different opensim instances without bringing a whole inventory with it.
2020-01-10 15:29 <Tampa> With iar you can already do that, just place the appearance in a folder and only backup that folder
2020-01-10 15:29 <Ubit> avatars are a inventory thing
2020-01-10 15:30 <cslcm> does that also save things like attachment points?
2020-01-10 15:30 <djphil> You can create a complete avatar in a folder and save only that folder. This does not save a complete inventory.
2020-01-10 15:30 <Ubit> see that thing called Current Outfit?
2020-01-10 15:31 <cslcm> also if you import an IAR does it merge with the current inventory and not replace it?
2020-01-10 15:31 <Ubit> that "is" your avatar
2020-01-10 15:31 <djphil> that only link's Ubit
2020-01-10 15:32 <Ubit> links are a implemention thing
2020-01-10 15:32 <Ubit> so items stay on native folders
2020-01-10 15:32 <djphil> true
2020-01-10 15:33 <djphil> So saving Current Outfits is not enough
2020-01-10 15:33 <Ubit> yeap need all items and respective assets
2020-01-10 15:33 <djphil> again true :)
2020-01-10 15:33 <Ubit> ( that can be a ton )
2020-01-10 15:34 <djphil> You have to make "smart" avtars ...
2020-01-10 15:34 <Ubit> actually when viewers ask for cof, they get the links and original item
2020-01-10 15:35 <Ubit> well older viewers wanted that
2020-01-10 15:35 <Ubit> they will need the items anyway :)
2020-01-10 15:35 <djphil> hope this will not change ... except for a simpler solution of course ...
2020-01-10 15:36 <Ubit> and each can be a asset that points to other assets
2020-01-10 15:36 <Ubit> ( like the wearables do )
2020-01-10 15:36 <Ubit> can be a ton od tons :p
2020-01-10 15:37 <djphil> A real pleasure :p
2020-01-10 15:37 <Ubit> attach points are stored on the respective inv item
2020-01-10 15:37 <Ubit> etc etc
2020-01-10 15:38 <Ubit> older viewers did it another way
2020-01-10 15:38 <Ubit> we still have a mess of code on that
2020-01-10 15:39 <Ubit> and im talking about self avatar
2020-01-10 15:39 <Ubit> avatar seen by others is other thing
2020-01-10 15:39 <Ubit> well details
2020-01-10 15:40 <Ubit> btw iar allows saving of selected inventoy folders
2020-01-10 15:41 <Ubit> but guess saving COF alone will be a total mess :)
2020-01-10 15:42 <Ubit> outfits subfolders are a option
2020-01-10 15:43 <Ubit> just guess many don't use them
2020-01-10 16:02 <cslcm> hmm.. why does the IAR export ask for an avatar password
2020-01-10 16:02 <cslcm> can't be for security since you can just change passwords on the console anyway
2020-01-10 16:13 <Ubit> not on a grid
2020-01-10 16:14 <cslcm> looks like my attachment points aren't being stored in my local instance, but i guess this is probably a config problem
2020-01-11 12:11 <osmantis> Bug #8630:04 Memory Leak on YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8630 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-11 12:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #6619 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-11 13:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6619: SUCCESS in 6 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6619/
2020-01-11 13:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: EstateAccess get: do send empty arrays
2020-01-11 14:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #6620 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-11 14:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6620: SUCCESS in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6620/
2020-01-11 14:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: disable parcels access control if disabled at estate ( not that estate flag is still named TAXFREE
2020-01-11 14:30 <zontreck> hi. just wondering but. is it possible with hypergrid to have a script give inventory to a hypergrid user after they've already returned to their home grid? if not is this a possible planned feature? would be kinda nice to not have to force everyone to have an account on my test server just to test a large set of scripts that I've been testing. 
2020-01-11 14:31 <Ubit> no
2020-01-11 14:31 <Ubit> and HG may have more restrictions in future
2020-01-11 14:31 <Ubit> HG is not a in grid tp
2020-01-11 14:32 <zontreck> more restrictions? it's already severely limited in functionality 
2020-01-11 14:33 <Ubit> yeap .. but tries somethings then just fails :p
2020-01-11 14:33 <Ubit> other things just scale up badly
2020-01-11 14:35 <zontreck> I still think it'd be cool to be able to give someone on another grid a inventory offer from like a server script. the one I have vends a item to a user upon a http request 
2020-01-11 14:36 <Ubit> well im not thinking much about that now sorry :)
2020-01-11 14:37 <Ubit> and that means also export control etc etc
2020-01-11 14:37 <zontreck> can maybe add it as a request for the future?
2020-01-11 14:37 <Ubit> sure, worse is it to be ignored :)
2020-01-11 14:38 <Ubit> but better than just forgotten
2020-01-11 14:38 <zontreck> 🙃
2020-01-11 14:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #6621 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-11 15:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6621: SUCCESS in 4 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6621/
2020-01-11 15:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix IgnoreEstatePaymentAccessControl option
2020-01-11 15:10 <Ai_Austin> Hi.. is Ubit there?  You mentioned you had a 0.8.2.1 region running for testing on OSGrid. I have been using Kitely and LFGrid for my tests.  can I use your OSGrid region too?
2020-01-11 15:11 <Ubit> i only run it by demand
2020-01-11 15:11 <Ubit> and breaking 0.9.2 now.. 
2020-01-11 15:11 <Ai_Austin> Makes sense...thanks. Just asking.
2020-01-11 16:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #6622 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2020-01-11 16:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change IgnoreEstatePaymentAccessControl and IgnoreEstateMinorAccessControl default to true, since this require flags to be set on dbs, and enforcing was not working well
2020-01-11 16:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #6623 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2020-01-11 16:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  Estate age and payment (anonimous) access control override parcel settings. Enforce it at parcel level (a bit heavy for now, needs revison)
2020-01-11 17:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #6624 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2020-01-11 17:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: exclude NPCs on adults and anonymous parcel access check
2020-01-12 05:30 <cslcm> So I can't work out how to get attachment points to save. There seems to be something seriously screwy with it. When I detach an object and re-attach it's always at position 0
2020-01-12 05:30 <cslcm> I checked the LastAttachPoint in the code and it's got all kinds of random values written to it
2020-01-12 05:40 <cslcm> it seems to be being munged with other state flags
2020-01-12 06:16 <cslcm> yeah, the attachment points are saving, but the nibbles are being swapped somewhere - stuff supposed to be attached to Skull ends up on HUD Top Right
2020-01-12 07:18 <osmantis> Bug #8550:04 Copying Object inworld and Timeout handling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8550 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-12 07:19 <osmantis> Bug #8550:04 Copying Object inworld and Timeout handling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8550 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-01-12 07:25 <osmantis> Bug #8550:04 Copying Object inworld and Timeout handling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8550 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-01-12 07:27 <osmantis> Bug #8550:04 Copying Object inworld and Timeout handling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8550 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-12 07:31 <osmantis> Bug #8550:04 Copying Object inworld and Timeout handling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8550 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-12 07:37 <osmantis> Bug #8550:04 Copying Object inworld and Timeout handling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8550 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-12 08:04 <osmantis> Bug #8550:04 Copying Object inworld and Timeout handling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8550 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-12 08:06 <osmantis> Bug #8550:04 Copying Object inworld and Timeout handling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8550 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-12 09:10 <Ubit> attach to  skull seems fine
2020-01-12 09:10 <Ubit> and yes there are some nibbles swap by spec
2020-01-12 10:46 <Ubit> bahh and box on sundays  holidays again
2020-01-12 21:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #6626 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2020-01-12 21:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a real transparent texure for default transparency and avatar alphas transparency. Asset 3a367d1c-bef1-6d43-7595-e88c1e3aadb3 must be rempoved by hand from current regions cache (at bin/assetcache/3a3) and viewers cache clean
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2020-01-13 08:28 <osmantis> Bug #8550:04 Copying Object inworld and Timeout handling 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8550 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-13 18:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #6627 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2020-01-13 18:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add another kick to GC after map generation at run time
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2020-01-14 08:41 <djphil> @ Ubit : There are some messages like this:
2020-01-14 08:41 <djphil> 09:08:29 - [Materials]: request for unknown material ID: 4db536b3-58ad-adb3-65b5-ac45ac69ea9f
2020-01-14 08:41 <djphil> Would it be possible to add "from prim uuid" with the uuid of the concerned prim and its position on the region because with the current message we don't know much ...
2020-01-14 08:41 <djphil> A more detailed debug would be welcome
2020-01-14 08:49 <Ubit> sorry unrelated
2020-01-14 08:49 <Ubit> request material is by material id only
2020-01-14 08:50 <Ubit> no data to tell prim
2020-01-14 08:50 <djphil> :o ...
2020-01-14 08:50 <djphil> This material isn't for a object ?
2020-01-14 08:50 <Ubit> no
2020-01-14 08:50 <Ubit> is like textures
2020-01-14 08:50 <djphil> :o stange
2020-01-14 08:51 <djphil> strange*
2020-01-14 08:51 <Ubit> objects have materials, like textures
2020-01-14 08:51 <Ubit> texutes have no pointers to objects
2020-01-14 08:51 <djphil> yes
2020-01-14 08:51 <Ubit> see ?
2020-01-14 08:51 <Ubit> material is like a asset, well it is asset
2020-01-14 08:52 <djphil> But if a material is requested ... it is well requested for something ... such as an object for example
2020-01-14 08:52 <djphil> Otherwise why is the material requested?
2020-01-14 08:54 <Ubit> why are textures requested?
2020-01-14 08:54 <djphil> to view
2020-01-14 08:54 <Ubit> viewers may know where they want those things
2020-01-14 08:54 <Ubit> region just can't tell,, it is a thing.. 
2020-01-14 08:55 <Ubit> well been short.. No, not possible to tell prim :p
2020-01-14 08:55 <djphil> pfffff :s
2020-01-14 08:57 <Tampa> You could however make an oar and try searching inside to see if you can find the material reference in the object xml
2020-01-14 08:57 <Tampa> Or something like that, the object has the info on what materials are on it
2020-01-14 08:58 <djphil> Might as well look for a needle in a haystack :p
2020-01-14 09:01 <djphil> It is quite difficult in this case to find what is causing this warning in order to prevent it from happening again.
2020-01-14 10:17 <osmantis> Bug #8640:04 Clicking on a chat location URL either does not retrieve the region details or show on map is using a HG URL on home grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8640 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-01-14 10:19 <osmantis> Bug #8640:04 Clicking on a chat location URL either does not retrieve the region details or show on map is using a HG URL on home grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8640 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-01-14 10:31 <osmantis> Bug #8640:04 Clicking on a chat location URL either does not retrieve the region details or show on map is using a HG URL on home grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8640 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-14 10:41 <osmantis> Bug #8638:04 On region shutdown, NPC is removed as root agent but then restated as a child agent in the shutting down region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8638 ): has been CLOSED
2020-01-14 10:42 <osmantis> Bug #8639:04 [PATCH] CreateSelected gets lost when ObjectUpdate packet overflows 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8639 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-01-14 10:56 <osmantis> Bug #8634:04 Request a method to set the position of an avatar when standing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8634 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-14 11:13 <osmantis> Bug #8640:04 Clicking on a chat location URL either does not retrieve the region details or show on map is using a HG URL on home grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8640 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-14 12:01 <osmantis> Bug #8640:04 Clicking on a chat location URL either does not retrieve the region details or show on map is using a HG URL on home grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8640 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-14 12:44 <osmantis> Bug #8640:04 Clicking on a chat location URL either does not retrieve the region details or show on map is using a HG URL on home grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8640 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-14 12:56 <Tampa> I wonder if that ticket is going to go anywhere, knowing FS...
2020-01-14 21:44 <osmantis> Bug #8640:04 Clicking on a chat location URL either does not retrieve the region details or show on map is using a HG URL on home grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8640 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2020-01-15 17:58 <djphil> Hello Plugh, have you seen the search module offered by Fred?
2020-01-15 17:58 <djphil> It is based on what you offer on github.
2020-01-15 17:58 <djphil> But he extended it to HG usage
2020-01-15 17:59 <djphil> I think it would be interesting to do
2020-01-15 18:01 <Tampa> His HG method is really not pretty and more of a hack
2020-01-15 18:01 <Tampa> Wouldn't recommend using that
2020-01-15 18:01 <djphil> True is a "hack"
2020-01-15 18:01 <djphil> But it's an interesting function
2020-01-15 18:01 <Bill_Blight> Also potentially exposes your grid/server/homecomputer to unwanted access ..
2020-01-15 18:03 <djphil> It's not really a secret
2020-01-15 18:03 <djphil> You don't seem to find this function very interesting
2020-01-15 18:04 <djphil> Yet HG is certainly in the majority now
2020-01-15 18:05 <djphil> I watched the code and it only registers ke gatekeeper in addition
2020-01-15 18:05 <Bill_Blight> as to HG Search , anything like that , that requrires a central server, will eventually break, or go offline
2020-01-15 18:06 <Bill_Blight> it registers all regions and search objects with a central server
2020-01-15 18:06 <djphil> I don't have where it does in the code right now
2020-01-15 18:07 <djphil> I haven't seen this
2020-01-15 18:08 <Tampa> More than half the HG enabled grids are setup so poorly they barely work or send any useful data into the wild, just look at his outworldz thing, it's a damn mess so is hyperica now. The metaverse is full of fluff and borderline garbage trying to index that in a useful manner seems nonsensical, you'll just get spam from folks who have no clue or really want their stuff to be up top and thus spam it maliciously
2020-01-15 18:09 <djphil> It's not wrong either ... ^^
2020-01-15 18:10 <Tampa> Before you know it as Bill says it will get abandoned and then what, the better approach for this would be through the viewer sending queries to all known grids from the gridlist and create some sort of wider search
2020-01-15 18:11 <Tampa> Or even make the viewer more aligned with HG so it treats the metaverse as it does grids now, but that itself again comes with caveats and problems
2020-01-15 18:11 <Plugh> djphil: No, I haven't seen it but I'll have a look.
2020-01-15 18:13 <djphil> Tampa, we can easily extract from outword and make a module like that of Plugh. It is almost identical except for the php files (refister, query, parse)
2020-01-15 18:14 <djphil> Ok, Plugh. Tell me what you think about it when you have looked please.
2020-01-15 18:14 <djphil> Right now I'm really wondering if I'm going to integrate it into my home or not. Your opinion is useful to me
2020-01-15 18:15 <Plugh> djphil: OpenSimSearch has an outstanding issue (#8) that you filed two years ago and you never followed up on my comments. Did the problem get solved or do I close it by saying no response from reporter?
2020-01-15 18:15 <Plugh> https://github.com/kcozens/OpenSimSearch/issues/8
2020-01-15 18:17 <Tampa> It would make more sense to simply use the known gridlist or a list of visted hypergrid addresses to use for the viewer to query and broaden its search when no local results are returned rather than dealing with another external system
2020-01-15 18:17 <Plugh> Some time ago I looked at the core profile module vs the addon one and saw there are changes that may need to be added to the addon version for HG support.
2020-01-15 18:17 <Tampa> Maybe Gavin can explore that some more, it seems simple enough to just query all grids in gridlist when searching
2020-01-15 18:18 <Plugh> Where is the version of the search module offered by Fred?
2020-01-15 18:19 <djphil> @Plugh: For the issue # 8 my configuration is ok ... but I haven't tested this for a long time ... I will test and report the result to you
2020-01-15 18:20 <Plugh> ok, ty
2020-01-15 18:22 <djphil> Yes why not Tampa
2020-01-15 18:23 <djphil> the php is here Plugh https://github.com/Outworldz/DreamWorld/tree/V2/OutworldzFiles/Apache/htdocs
2020-01-15 18:23 <djphil> It requiere the config.php from the mapcarten !!!
2020-01-15 18:24 <djphil> More spaghetti ^^
2020-01-15 18:24 <djphil> he also needs the flexigrid file .... yes yes the old flexygrid
2020-01-15 18:25 <djphil> and the more important file is the new db
2020-01-15 18:25 <djphil> @ https://github.com/Outworldz/DreamWorld/blob/V2/OutworldzFiles/mysql/bin/Create_OsSearch.sql
2020-01-15 18:25 <Tampa> -_-
2020-01-15 18:25 <djphil> There you have it all plugh
2020-01-15 18:26 <Tampa> Not helping the case for it
2020-01-15 18:26 <djphil> Everything is scattered
2020-01-15 18:28 <Bill_Blight> djphil do you not realize that it will ONLY work if everyone registers to the same search server , would do no good to have it a regular module
2020-01-15 18:30 <djphil> Bill, Yes, I imagine that these are all simulators attached to the same robust
2020-01-15 18:30 <Bill_Blight> No not the same robust
2020-01-15 18:31 <Bill_Blight> the same webserver hosting the search
2020-01-15 18:31 <djphil> But I find it interesting to be able to provide an HG link to teleport directly for example ...
2020-01-15 18:31 <djphil> True Bill, same webserver
2020-01-15 18:31 <djphil> Sorry this is still a little confusing for me :p
2020-01-15 18:32 <Bill_Blight> so if the whole hypergrid depends on one webserver for search, what happens when it goes down, "metaverseink" ring a bell .. 
2020-01-15 18:32 <Bill_Blight> this is exactly what metaverseink did
2020-01-15 18:33 <Bill_Blight> it is really nothing new
2020-01-15 18:34 <djphil> There are always solutions Bill
2020-01-15 18:34 <djphil> Problems are obstacles we could overcome
2020-01-15 18:35 <Bill_Blight> yes there are always new solutions, but this solution is an old one
2020-01-15 18:35 <djphil> 39/5000
2020-01-15 18:35 <djphil> But I understand what you are saying :)
2020-01-15 18:35 <djphil> I will look ok for a new solution then Bill :)
2020-01-15 18:36 <djphil> Right now I'm discovering ^^
2020-01-15 18:36 <Bill_Blight> go for it, I look forward to seeing what new thing you find
2020-01-15 18:36 <djphil> Risk of waiting a long time
2020-01-15 18:37 <Bill_Blight> but this thing Ferd is doing is "Apple Marketing", "Look at this new great thing we invented", while being something old that has been around for a while, just with worse marketing ..
2020-01-15 18:39 <djphil> I know you don't like his thing
2020-01-15 18:40 <Bill_Blight> well there is that, but also don't like putting all my eggs in someone elses basket ..
2020-01-15 18:40 <djphil> Me neither ... but I find that inside there can be good things. It's worth throwing an eye I think
2020-01-15 18:42 <djphil> There is also Kubwa who did something quite interesting with Events HG.
2020-01-15 18:54 <djphil> is this https://opensim.guide/
2020-01-15 18:57 <Bill_Blight> yeah looks like what I did a while back, but decided not to go with it ... in world LSL, enter event details, sends region and grid info and event details to a php page ... 
2020-01-15 18:58 <Bill_Blight> looks like he is doing a base64 pull of the image from the grid server and re-encoding it in the php ..
2020-01-15 18:59 <Bill_Blight> that is a nice way of doing it, takes the load off the grid server except the first time ... pretty cool
2020-01-15 19:00 <djphil> Well he does something a little special I admit. I also looked at its code and it allowed me to learn a few "tricks" ^^
2020-01-15 19:00 <Bill_Blight> hmm ok
2020-01-15 19:00 <djphil> some  rpc requests to servers
2020-01-15 19:01 <Bill_Blight> I don't see how it can be too special, looks like it uses some of the same tech as the opensimworld beacon
2020-01-15 19:01 <djphil> profile and visitor stuff if I remember correctly
2020-01-15 19:01 <Bill_Blight> yeah but that is easy stuff, would not call that special
2020-01-15 19:02 <djphil> I haven't watched opensimword. It is the only one that I did not watch I think
2020-01-15 19:02 <djphil> I say special because I did not know these methods of making
2020-01-15 19:03 <djphil> And I hardly found any documentation on these methods in the opensim wiki
2020-01-15 19:03 <Bill_Blight> Kubwa's stuff is for sure cool, but like most things in opensim, it is taking off the shelf stuff and mashing it together, and hoping no one pays attention to the man behind the curtian ..
2020-01-15 19:03 <Bill_Blight> *curtain
2020-01-15 19:05 <djphil> You mean the original authors are not cited
2020-01-15 19:05 <djphil> Often I see the headers present
2020-01-15 19:06 <Bill_Blight> many times not, but , also many times, nobody knows who did it first
2020-01-15 19:06 <djphil> For search stuff for example, I often see FlyMan or Mel in the header
2020-01-15 19:09 <Plugh> Hm... can't even look at the opensim.guide site without accepting some GDPR thing.
2020-01-15 19:09 <Bill_Blight> GDPR is a fact of life now 
2020-01-15 19:10 <Plugh> yea, but we will now have to start accepting GDPR mandated privacy statements on every page we go to? :P
2020-01-15 19:10 <djphil> is a legal requirement now yes
2020-01-15 19:12 <Melanie_> well, here's my $.02
2020-01-15 19:12 <Plugh> If that search feature involves multiple bits of information I'll have to leave it for another time. I'm busy with some other projects. Also, thinking about it, I'm not sure what it is really letting you do. All that should be needed is to make sure you can search the grid you are in after an HG TP to a new grid.
2020-01-15 19:12 <Melanie_> i believe that we should have the option to enable another service on the gatekeeper that works as a search gateway
2020-01-15 19:13 <Melanie_> any grid can collate HG addresses from the simulators as people visit other grids, the gatekeeper add to that the hg addresses of grids people come in from
2020-01-15 19:14 <Melanie_> they can than query each of those grids' search endpoint to get one of a number of responses
2020-01-15 19:14 <Melanie_> 404 would mean that grid has no available search information
2020-01-15 19:14 <Bill_Blight> I like tha idea .....
2020-01-15 19:14 <djphil> Yes but it is also necessary to remove the disconnected simulators so as not to arrive on dead simulators or non-existent objects because region is done
2020-01-15 19:15 <Melanie_> the grid could also return it's whole search database
2020-01-15 19:15 <Melanie_> or a web endpoint to send individual queries to
2020-01-15 19:15 <djphil> i like that idea too, so mush !!!
2020-01-15 19:15 <Melanie_> depending on whether a grid wants to expose all it's data (and save bandwith) or handle each query as it comes
2020-01-15 19:15 <Bill_Blight> well, your search server could do heartbeats to grids, if it does not get a response it blacklists their searches until it is alive again
2020-01-15 19:16 <Melanie_> handling offline regions is something only the remote grid can do
2020-01-15 19:16 <Bill_Blight> ^^
2020-01-15 19:16 <Melanie_> Bill_Blight those are details i was already thinking about
2020-01-15 19:16 <Melanie_> but i didn't want to paint a full picture here
2020-01-15 19:16 <Melanie_> merely wanted to show a direction
2020-01-15 19:17 <Bill_Blight> well would work a little like map searches currently do, too many requests or failed responses, it blacklists for a bit
2020-01-15 19:17 <djphil> Or remove from search after being logged out
2020-01-15 19:17 <djphil> with all associate stuffs (objects etc ...)
2020-01-15 19:17 <djphil> Well here, you just had to wake up the subject :)
2020-01-15 19:17 <Bill_Blight> you would not want to purge the database everytime a region went offline , that would be a ton of unneeded R/W just flag them ..
2020-01-15 19:18 <Melanie_> what i put out there at least doesn't depend on a central server
2020-01-15 19:18 <Bill_Blight> yeah, more of a peer-to-peer search
2020-01-15 19:18 <Melanie_> the avn search would check the "region online" flag in the grid server and filter the results by that
2020-01-15 19:19 <Melanie_> for remote grids, that onus falls on the remote grid
2020-01-15 19:19 <Bill_Blight> ^^ Exactly what I was thinking, but maybe since this is HG flag entire grids
2020-01-15 19:19 <Bill_Blight> hehe
2020-01-15 19:19 <Melanie_> so they should exclude offline regions' results
2020-01-15 19:20 <Melanie_> of course, all the usual stuff
2020-01-15 19:20 <Melanie_> like rate-limiting, etc.
2020-01-15 19:20 <Melanie_> normal anti-ddos
2020-01-15 20:15 <Tampa> You can do the same on the viewer though, collect visited grids in a db and query all their search urls, that would reduce the load on the robust since it has to wait for all the replies and we know how well that works.. friendsservice... could add a cap that provides the viewer with additional db entries based on the grids known hg connectors though, but I think the burden should be on the viewer end
2020-01-15 20:16 <Tampa> It would be fairly simple to implement on the viewer end and the known addresses can be fetched from griduser table, cutoff the uuids and query gridinfo for search urls, send to viewer
2020-01-15 20:17 <Tampa> Viewer, first asks local grid search then extends search if the users opts to do it, that way much less load on robust
2020-01-15 20:18 <osmantis> Bug #8641:04 console loads like normal 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8641 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-01-15 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #8641:04 console loads like normal 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8641 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-15 20:26 <Bill_Blight> problem with that is , it would then only search grids you have personally visited, and also , you switch PC'sor re-install your PC/Viewer, all your search data is GONE ..
2020-01-15 20:27 <Tampa> Well not entirely, the grid you login to still provides you with search urls of its known grids and it could even exchange these urls with users that login, expanding its list should a users viewer have additional search urls the grid does not yet know
2020-01-15 20:28 <Bill_Blight> If you want to save load, that would not do it, you are essentially adding a lot more data to be sent to viewers on login, not really going to save much
2020-01-15 20:29 <Tampa> Sending a list of urls is not that much data though
2020-01-15 20:29 <Tampa> The problem is more having robust query all those known grids constantly when someone searches
2020-01-15 20:30 <Bill_Blight> yes but on EVERY user login, as opposed to only when searches re done
2020-01-15 20:30 <Bill_Blight> umm , we were implying that the data would be cached on the local grid
2020-01-15 20:30 <Bill_Blight> so it would not query everytime
2020-01-15 20:31 <Bill_Blight> only check on heartbeat to see if the grid/region was still there, update search contents on some type of schedule
2020-01-15 20:32 <Tampa> I get changing viewers is hard because they all seem to refuse to do it, but if you just provide hg content over local search without viewers knowing the difference you open another can of worms
2020-01-15 20:33 <Bill_Blight> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2020-01-15 20:34 <Tampa> To me it makes more sense to use the viewer to query search since the grids are all setup to deal with that anyways
2020-01-15 20:35 <Tampa> The user on login gets the known urls from the grid, what it doesn't get it sends back so the grid now knows more urls, could always hash the table and make a system that only sends if the grid has gained more urls
2020-01-15 20:36 <Tampa> Kinda like ATIS weather forecasts for planes
2020-01-15 20:36 <Tampa> That way the local grid doesn't have to shoulder the searches through it, instead it's all directed to the remote grids which have to shoulder that load regardless
2020-01-15 20:37 <Melanie_> that is a large-scale viewer mod that no one will do
2020-01-15 20:37 <Melanie_> opensim is  red-haired step-child to them
2020-01-15 20:38 <Tampa> I know it is hard to get viewer changes, just stating what to me what be a better approach from a technical standpoint
2020-01-15 20:38 <Melanie_> i'm more a realist
2020-01-15 20:38 <Tampa> Ideally it would only be a cap for exchanging urls, the code for search is already in the viewer, just need to extend it to search elsewhere based on that list
2020-01-15 20:39 <Tampa> I would not exactly call it a large mod to a viewer, but yeah it is an edit nonetheless
2020-01-15 20:40 <Tampa> What would probably push this would be if there was a viewer cough Dayturn cough that would end up making that mod and provide it to the others to integrate
2020-01-15 20:41 <Tampa> Heck I would go as far as saying if I knew a few pages more C I would sit down and mod in to search all grids added to the grid manager in a viewer, that seems rather trivial since the code is all there already
2020-01-15 20:41 <Tampa> That and actually figuring out how to compile the bloody things lol
2020-01-15 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #8641:04 console loads like normal 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8641 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-01-15 20:43 <Tampa> I agree that realistically the chances are low, but should that really mean selecting potentially inferior technology just because the viewers won't follow along, even if they don't add the functionality, we certainly can't be made the scapegoat for creating a system that to them would be "silly"
2020-01-15 20:44 <Tampa> If we never push to have updates and fixes done on their end nothing will change, SL will die eventually, at that point being still stuck on their "standard" would look more silly in my opinion
2020-01-15 20:45 <Tampa> "We did it properly, nobody cared" sounds better to me than "We didn't do it, because they said no"
2020-01-15 20:46 <Tampa> Call me a dreamer I still believe that it is better to at least provide a better solution rather than bending to some artificial standard set by folks stuck in 2006
2020-01-15 20:46 <Plugh> I think the question to be asked here is for what are you searching?
2020-01-15 20:48 <osmantis> Bug #8641:04 console loads like normal 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8641 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-15 20:50 <osmantis> Bug #8641:04 console loads like normal 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8641 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-15 20:54 <Tampa> If the local grid handles search connections to all known grids you basically create a giant net of grids all having the same data, which is great decentra-talk for a massive mess. Just think one grid fills their search with garbage and all others copy it, cleaning that up manually sounds like a massive pain, you'd have to create a system to allow/deny indexing from specific bad apples and even then you have to monitor it so it does not flood or 
2020-01-15 20:54 <Tampa> fill up storage
2020-01-15 20:55 <osmantis> Bug #8641:04 console loads like normal 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8641 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-15 20:55 <Tampa> It creates another attack angle for ddos essentially, if you give a grid a search url and then send it tons of data for it to index
2020-01-15 20:56 <Tampa> If the viewer does it you can more easily adjust for that, at worst the viewer crashes because it becomes overloaded, but the grid still runs
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2020-01-16 10:33 <osmantis> Bug #8642:04 Viewers using default Linden Lab Bakes on Mesh (BoM) code are causing continuous repeated avatar bake cycles on servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8642 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-01-16 10:41 <osmantis> Bug #8642:04 Viewers using default Linden Lab Bakes on Mesh (BoM) code are causing continuous repeated avatar bake cycles on servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8642 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-16 11:01 <osmantis> Bug #8642:04 Viewers using default Linden Lab Bakes on Mesh (BoM) code are causing continuous repeated avatar bake cycles on servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8642 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-16 12:37 <osmantis> Bug #8641:04 console loads like normal 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8641 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-16 14:04 <osmantis> Bug #8642:04 Viewers using default Linden Lab Bakes on Mesh (BoM) code are causing continuous repeated avatar bake cycles on servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8642 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-16 17:59 <osmantis> Bug #8643:04 Parcel Settings Access is not longer working! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8643 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-01-16 18:04 <osmantis> Bug #8642:04 Viewers using default Linden Lab Bakes on Mesh (BoM) code are causing continuous repeated avatar bake cycles on servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8642 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-16 18:25 <cslcm> kinda disappointing to see people advocating just silencing the error rather than fixing the issue :P
2020-01-16 18:29 <Bill_Blight> hard to fix the error, when in reality it is generally caused by user error/bad mesh, which has for long been a plague on opensim and users blaming the code for their crappy mesh skills ..
2020-01-16 18:30 <Bill_Blight> At some point users need to accpet responsibility, the code cannot make up for users not wanting to put in the work or take responsibility for the crap they upload ..
2020-01-16 18:33 <Ubit> and what are you talking about?
2020-01-16 18:34 <Ubit> and on BoM the error is people want to use obsolete region versions with last viewers versions
2020-01-16 18:35 <Ubit> Old opensim versions, must use old Viewers Period
2020-01-16 18:35 <Ubit> this was the last time i did bother viewer devs about suport for old opensim versions
2020-01-16 18:36 <Ubit> hard enough to get suport for current vresion
2020-01-16 18:49 <osmantis> Bug #8643:04 Parcel Settings Access is not longer working! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-16 18:52 <Ubit> and that BOM issue on old regions is a viewer side issue ( we can't change old versions) and there is ONE viewer dev working on it
2020-01-16 19:01 <misterblue> sounds like the code that is "silencing the error" is protecting the region from bad/old versions of the viewer
2020-01-16 19:02 <Bill_Blight> There is no code to silence it .. 
2020-01-16 19:02 <osmantis> Bug #8643:04 Parcel Settings Access is not longer working! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-16 19:02 <Bill_Blight> but that was what somone sugested
2020-01-16 19:03 <Ubit> FS as cool VL is trying to make it work somehow
2020-01-16 19:03 <Bill_Blight> I refuse to go backwards with my test viewer ....  
2020-01-16 19:04 <Ubit> viewers may decide they are only for recent opensim versions
2020-01-16 19:04 <Ubit> that will happen pretty soon
2020-01-16 19:04 <Bill_Blight> yep
2020-01-16 19:04 <Ubit> nex fs release may be the last with this kind of efford
2020-01-16 19:05 <Bill_Blight> I suspect at some point , new opensim will refused to talk to very old opensim as well .. Or I guess I should say , I hope ...
2020-01-16 19:05 <Ubit> after that, lets just hope they do support current opensim
2020-01-16 19:05 <Ubit> yes some hack code to talk with older versions will be removed
2020-01-16 19:06 <Ubit> ( that may include HG )
2020-01-16 19:06 <Bill_Blight> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
2020-01-16 19:07 <Tampa> Wasn't there the famous case of the grid stuck on version 7 or something because... I don't even remember why
2020-01-16 19:08 <Tampa> Frankly the version 9 talking to version 8 thing we have is not all that common with other software, especially not software that exchanges data like that
2020-01-16 19:08 <Tampa> backwards compatibility is not equal to upgrade paths
2020-01-16 19:08 <Bill_Blight> try telling that to entiled whiny users
2020-01-16 19:09 <Tampa> Best to ignore that subset of folks, else you'll get stomach ulcers
2020-01-16 19:10 <Bill_Blight> I Prefer to set them on fire then roast marshmallows over their roasting corpses ....
2020-01-16 19:12 <Tampa> That's not very environmentally friendly, burning hydrocarbons is really bad for air quality
2020-01-16 19:13 <Bill_Blight> well, maybe, but they were using up oxygen and wasting space before  ...
2020-01-16 19:16 <osmantis> Bug #8642:04 Viewers using default Linden Lab Bakes on Mesh (BoM) code are causing continuous repeated avatar bake cycles on servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8642 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-16 19:22 <Tampa> Ubit that's fine, but should regardless mitigate this console spam because it can be caused by anything texture related not just recent BoM changes
2020-01-16 19:23 <Ubit> we can't change old opensim versions
2020-01-16 19:24 <Ubit> those loops are rare on current versions, for ages..
2020-01-16 19:24 <cslcm> i literally just saw it 30 mins ago with a BoM viewer
2020-01-16 19:24 <cslcm> but i've given up trying to make the world a better place :P
2020-01-16 19:24 <Ubit> and usualy happen when something else failed
2020-01-16 19:24 <Ubit> saw it where ?
2020-01-16 19:25 <Ubit> and what viewer
2020-01-16 19:25 <cslcm> console of opensim @ 6f5b7957a909
2020-01-16 19:26 <cslcm> I believe it was Firestorm 6.3.2, though it couuuuuld have been FirestormVR, i dont recall which i was using at the time
2020-01-16 19:26 <cslcm> i didn't pay much attention to it
2020-01-16 19:26 <cslcm> but if i see it again i'll give you all the info
2020-01-16 19:26 <Ubit> thx
2020-01-16 19:27 <Ubit> not having it with fs 6.3.6
2020-01-16 19:27 <Tampa> I saw this 3 months ago with a mesh imported from an oar so... that also doesn't matter in any way how frequent or not it is, if and when it happens to spam the console and log full of messages is not sensible or useful for debugging the problem
2020-01-16 19:27 <Ubit> actually only saw it with a previus version of this beta viewer on a 0.8 region
2020-01-16 19:27 <Ubit> like Ai reports
2020-01-16 19:27 <cslcm> Tampa: so what was causing it, was the mesh broken?
2020-01-16 19:28 <Tampa> Plane crashes don't happen often, still makes sense to think about making them safer too
2020-01-16 19:28 <Ubit> bakes are unrelated to mesh
2020-01-16 19:28 <Tampa> The error shows up any time some texture gets its panties in a twist
2020-01-16 19:28 <Tampa> It makes sense to deal with it and not have it spam like this
2020-01-16 19:28 <cslcm> what does that mean, the viewer is requesting it but isn't happy with what it gets, so it re-requests?
2020-01-16 19:29 <Ubit> viwer and region not in agreement with a baked entry
2020-01-16 19:30 <Ubit> can't tell more, because i don't see it :p
2020-01-16 19:30 <Ubit> on the 0.8,  region just fails to proper decode te entries.. so.. of course shit happens
2020-01-16 19:31 <cslcm> I don't think anyone is expecting a backported fix.. surely
2020-01-16 19:31 <Ubit> well bew did work hard to avoid that with fs
2020-01-16 19:31 <Ubit> beq
2020-01-16 19:31 <Ubit> and seems fine now
2020-01-16 19:32 <Ubit> no idea about cool vl.. that is "strange" viewer :p
2020-01-16 19:33 <cslcm> isn't it basically a legacy v1 viewer with stuff backported to it?
2020-01-16 19:34 <Ubit> seems kinda of fork a bit far from ll code base
2020-01-16 19:34 <Ubit> well seems to work
2020-01-16 19:35 <Ubit> just see odd terrain when 2 regions meet
2020-01-16 19:35 <Ubit> water on large has missing parts
2020-01-16 19:35 <Ubit> large regions
2020-01-16 19:36 <Ubit> and it does crash with eep :)
2020-01-16 19:36 <Ubit> but well eep still does not count much
2020-01-16 19:52 <osmantis> Bug #8642:04 Viewers using default Linden Lab Bakes on Mesh (BoM) code are causing continuous repeated avatar bake cycles on servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8642 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-16 19:55 <osmantis> Bug #8642:04 Viewers using default Linden Lab Bakes on Mesh (BoM) code are causing continuous repeated avatar bake cycles on servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8642 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-16 20:05 <osmantis> Bug #8642:04 Viewers using default Linden Lab Bakes on Mesh (BoM) code are causing continuous repeated avatar bake cycles on servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8642 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-16 20:10 <osmantis> Bug #8643:04 Parcel Settings Access is not longer working! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8643 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-01-16 20:11 <osmantis> Bug #8642:04 Viewers using default Linden Lab Bakes on Mesh (BoM) code are causing continuous repeated avatar bake cycles on servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8642 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-16 21:03 <osmantis> Bug #8642:04 Viewers using default Linden Lab Bakes on Mesh (BoM) code are causing continuous repeated avatar bake cycles on servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8642 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-16 22:00 <osmantis> Bug #8642:04 Viewers using default Linden Lab Bakes on Mesh (BoM) code are causing continuous repeated avatar bake cycles on servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8642 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-17 08:35 <osmantis> Bug #8643:04 Parcel Settings Access is not longer working! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-17 08:56 <osmantis> Bug #8643:04 Parcel Settings Access is not longer working! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-17 09:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #6628 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-17 09:38 <osmantis> Bug #8643:04 Parcel Settings Access is not longer working! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-17 09:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6628: SUCCESS in 5 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6628/
2020-01-17 09:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8643: invert the meaning of internal flag TEXFREE true value to mean NOT allow parcel owner to be more restrictive than estate. This should reduce the impact of this feature on new and current regions, specially since some viewers still do not suport it. (yes still lazy to rename the thing)
2020-01-17 12:10 <djphil> Bill, are you there?
2020-01-17 12:12 <djphil> ping Bill_Blight
2020-01-17 12:12 <djphil> Yesterday Plugh pointed to an old mantis regarding the Seach module.
2020-01-17 12:12 <djphil> Have you noticed this problem with the jOpenSim Search Module too?
2020-01-17 12:12 <djphil> https://github.com/kcozens/OpenSimSearch/issues/8
2020-01-17 14:45 <osmantis> Bug #8643:04 Parcel Settings Access is not longer working! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-17 15:06 <osmantis> Bug #8643:04 Parcel Settings Access is not longer working! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-17 15:20 <osmantis> Bug #8643:04 Parcel Settings Access is not longer working! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-17 15:21 <Ubit> gezz nant tg?
2020-01-17 18:08 <osmantis> Bug #8643:04 Parcel Settings Access is not longer working! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-17 18:13 <osmantis> Bug #8643:04 Parcel Settings Access is not longer working! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-17 18:55 <osmantis> Bug #8643:04 Parcel Settings Access is not longer working! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-17 19:22 <osmantis> Bug #8643:04 Parcel Settings Access is not longer working! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-17 19:30 <osmantis> Bug #8643:04 Parcel Settings Access is not longer working! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-17 19:34 <osmantis> Bug #8643:04 Parcel Settings Access is not longer working! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-17 20:00 <osmantis> Bug #8643:04 Parcel Settings Access is not longer working! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-17 21:03 <osmantis> Bug #8644:04 [DataSnapshot] data_exposure setting no difference in the data 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8644 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-01-17 22:02 <osmantis> Bug #8643:04 Parcel Settings Access is not longer working! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-17 22:59 <osmantis> Bug #8643:04 Parcel Settings Access is not longer working! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-18 09:16 <osmantis> Bug #8643:04 Parcel Settings Access is not longer working! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-18 10:30 <osmantis> Bug #8643:04 Parcel Settings Access is not longer working! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-18 11:42 <osmantis> Bug #8643:04 Parcel Settings Access is not longer working! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8643 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-18 12:15 <osmantis> Bug #8643:04 Parcel Settings Access is not longer working! 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8643 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-01-18 12:18 <osmantis> Bug #8642:04 Viewers using default Linden Lab Bakes on Mesh (BoM) code are causing continuous repeated avatar bake cycles on servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8642 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-18 14:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #6629 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-18 14:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6629: SUCCESS in 5 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6629/
2020-01-18 14:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update httpserver.dll
2020-01-18 15:00 <Tampa> Ubit again with the descriptive commits, if you update binary files could say what changed?
2020-01-18 15:01 <Ubit> i did
2020-01-18 15:02 <Ubit> on proper place :p
2020-01-18 15:23 <Ubit> well told it had a bug .. good enough :p
2020-01-18 15:24 <Ubit> btw you should update also
2020-01-18 15:30 <cslcm> Are opensim assets immutable as in SL?
2020-01-18 15:30 <Ubit> mostly
2020-01-18 15:31 <cslcm> does "mostly" exclude the possibility of matching duplicate asset uploads by sha hash and returning the same UUID?
2020-01-18 15:32 <cslcm> (not sure if this is done already..)
2020-01-18 15:32 <Ubit> fsassets does that +-
2020-01-18 15:32 <cslcm> okay
2020-01-18 15:32 <cslcm> in what cases are assets mutable? and how does it deal with that?
2020-01-18 15:32 <cslcm> is this the OSSL notecard modification stuff?
2020-01-18 15:33 <Ubit> only some shared ones are can be replaced at robust startup
2020-01-18 15:33 <cslcm> ok
2020-01-18 15:33 <Ubit> and some related to materials
2020-01-18 15:33 <cslcm> materials aren't handled as "real" assets though right
2020-01-18 16:11 <osmantis> Bug #8642:04 Viewers using default Linden Lab Bakes on Mesh (BoM) code are causing continuous repeated avatar bake cycles on servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8642 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-18 16:47 <osmantis> Bug #8645:04 Many duplicates in the table "landaccesslist" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8645 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-01-18 16:59 <osmantis> Bug #8645:04 Many duplicates in the table "landaccesslist" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8645 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-18 17:00 <osmantis> Bug #8645:04 Many duplicates in the table "landaccesslist" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8645 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2020-01-18 17:08 <osmantis> Bug #8646:04 The row "Expire" is still not implemted in "landaccesslist" on SqLite 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8646 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-01-18 17:29 <osmantis> Bug #8642:04 Viewers using default Linden Lab Bakes on Mesh (BoM) code are causing continuous repeated avatar bake cycles on servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8642 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-18 18:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #6630 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-18 18:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6630: SUCCESS in 4 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6630/
2020-01-18 18:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8645: change sqlite (not exactly as provided patch)
2020-01-18 18:06 <osmantis> Bug #8645:04 Many duplicates in the table "landaccesslist" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8645 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-18 18:08 <osmantis> Bug #8646:04 The row "Expire" is still not implemted in "landaccesslist" on SqLite 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8646 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-18 20:03 <cslcm> I like the word "implemted"
2020-01-18 20:05 <Ubit> :p
2020-01-18 20:06 <Ubit> you will see a lot like those on my commits, emails.. etc :p
2020-01-18 20:09 <osmantis> Bug #8645:04 Many duplicates in the table "landaccesslist" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8645 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-18 20:14 <osmantis> Bug #8645:04 Many duplicates in the table "landaccesslist" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8645 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-18 20:42 <BillBlight> OHH for fucks sake, let's not link discord to the dev channel, people should either learn to use IRC , and if they can't they don't need to be messing with code anyway ...
2020-01-18 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #8645:04 Many duplicates in the table "landaccesslist" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8645 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-18 20:43 <BillBlight> Last time someone tried that , it polluted the crap out of this channel
2020-01-18 21:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #6631 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-18 21:10 <osmantis> Bug #8645:04 Many duplicates in the table "landaccesslist" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8645 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-18 21:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6631: SUCCESS in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6631/
2020-01-18 21:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8645: change sqlite to just flag row delete, for commit to work
2020-01-18 21:36 <cslcm> hmm, i'm currently seeing that if i set a material on an object, take it into inventory, clear my viewer cache, and rez the object, i get 21:34:44 - [Materials]: request for unknown material ID: f3526463-40bc-17c1-59ec-21808a3916d5.. this is in standalone mode, the materials module is enabled
2020-01-18 21:36 <djphil> interessing
2020-01-18 21:37 <cslcm> gonna see if it happens even with stuff which remains rezzed
2020-01-18 21:38 <Ubit> then test waiting a few seconds, before take
2020-01-18 21:39 <cslcm> how many is a few?
2020-01-18 21:39 <Ubit> 2 3
2020-01-18 21:39 <cslcm> i think i did that before, but i'll check
2020-01-18 21:39 <cslcm> okay, object staying rezzed inworld doesn't lose the material
2020-01-18 21:42 <cslcm> yeah, left it rezzed for 20 seconds and got 21:41:17 - [Materials]: request for unknown material ID: 2c354068-a95c-650e-d431-bc1345d7a17c when rezzing
2020-01-18 21:52 <cslcm> double storetime = Util.GetTimeStamp() - 60.0;
2020-01-18 21:52 <cslcm> it only persists after 60 seconds
2020-01-18 21:52 <cslcm> i guess it doesn't force persist on inventory take either
2020-01-18 21:52 <cslcm> (it doesn't actually create the asset until this time)
2020-01-18 21:53 <Ubit> yeap
2020-01-18 21:53 <cslcm> i understand why it doesn't create the asset right away, cos the user may be making other changes and that would fill the db with shit
2020-01-18 21:54 <cslcm> but it should create the asset on take
2020-01-18 21:54 <Ubit> well thats to prevent assets flood
2020-01-18 21:56 <cslcm> i'll check if it makes the asset after 60 seconds after the object is taken
2020-01-18 21:58 <cslcm> no, once the object is taken, m_changed becomes 0 so it doesn't run
2020-01-18 21:59 <Ubit> it is removed on delete from region
2020-01-18 21:59 <cslcm> yep, so the asset never gets saved
2020-01-18 21:59 <cslcm> i'll make a patch
2020-01-18 21:59 <Ubit> it does get saved
2020-01-18 21:59 <cslcm> it doesn't
2020-01-18 22:00 <Ubit> wait 1.2 minutes 
2020-01-18 22:00 <cslcm> m_changed is cleared before the asset is created
2020-01-18 22:00 <cslcm> ok, i'll try it once more
2020-01-18 22:01 <Ubit> gezz why can't i take it after killing the region.. i see on on the viewer
2020-01-18 22:01 <Ubit> :p
2020-01-18 22:02 <cslcm> ahah
2020-01-18 22:03 <Ubit> well easy option is still save after delete
2020-01-18 22:03 <cslcm> Yes, but you don't wanna save if the object is killed by a script
2020-01-18 22:03 <cslcm> since it no longer exists
2020-01-18 22:03 <cslcm> and no, MakeAsset never gets called, waited 3 minutes
2020-01-18 22:04 <Ubit> just seen it called
2020-01-18 22:04 <Ubit> ( with the object there of course
2020-01-18 22:05 <cslcm> oh sure, i mean if you take the object before the 60 second timer
2020-01-18 22:24 <BillBlight> persistence time can be changed in your ini
2020-01-18 22:24 <Ubit> not that one
2020-01-18 22:24 <cslcm> no, double storetime = Util.GetTimeStamp() - 60.0; is pretty hardcoded :P
2020-01-18 22:24 <BillBlight> ok I guess I should go read back
2020-01-18 22:25 <Ubit> does help sometines yeah :)
2020-01-18 22:25 <Ubit> but all things do take time to back, even on microwave oven :p
2020-01-18 22:26 <Ubit> bake
2020-01-18 22:26 <Ubit> glue also takes time 
2020-01-18 22:27 <Ubit> you just need to wait for the glue to dry have the material stick to the prim:p
2020-01-18 22:27 <osmantis> Bug #8647:04 Material asset not being created if object is taken within 60 seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8647 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-01-18 22:28 <Ubit> gezz
2020-01-18 22:29 <cslcm> yeah .. i know
2020-01-18 22:29 <cslcm> if you can think of a better way
2020-01-18 22:29 <cslcm> feel free
2020-01-18 22:29 <Ubit> yeah
2020-01-18 22:29 <Ubit> let the glue ( or paint ( dry :p
2020-01-18 22:29 <cslcm> people derezzing stuff immediately after they edit it, is quite a usual use case
2020-01-18 22:30 <cslcm> you can't really tell people to leave it for a minute
2020-01-18 22:30 <Ubit> no
2020-01-18 22:30 <Ubit> it is people making stuff and removing imediatly
2020-01-18 22:30 <cslcm> sure, which happens all the time
2020-01-18 22:30 <Ubit> not really
2020-01-18 22:31 <cslcm> sure it does. I wanna change the material on something, i rez it, change it, and take again
2020-01-18 22:33 <cslcm> anyway, i tested that the patch works, despite being horrible
2020-01-18 22:42 <Ubit> i know it may work
2020-01-18 22:42 <Ubit> but nahh
2020-01-18 22:43 <cslcm> well, it's a massive bug in opensim, is there a better fix?
2020-01-18 22:45 <BillBlight> I have a builder on my grid who has been using materials since they have existed, she sells on kitely , yada yada, and she has never mentioned this MASSIVE bug ...
2020-01-18 22:45 <BillBlight> so doubt it is that massive
2020-01-18 22:45 <cslcm> that's because nobody notices it until they clear their viewer cache
2020-01-18 22:46 <cslcm> but everyone else sees the object without materials
2020-01-18 22:50 <BillBlight> our people, and this builder clear their cache OFTEN, because SL consistenly screws it up
2020-01-18 22:51 <cslcm> so you think it's acceptable for people to have to wait 60 seconds before picking up objects once they set materials?
2020-01-18 22:51 <BillBlight> But I guess It does not matter, I don't care either way if it gets fixed or not .. I just don't care for "the sky is falling" on things like this
2020-01-18 22:51 <BillBlight> I sure do
2020-01-18 22:51 <cslcm> probably because you have commercial interests and you want the opensource version to remain flawed, i guess
2020-01-18 22:52 <BillBlight> could it be better yes, has it been this way forever and the sky has not fallen yet, yes
2020-01-18 22:52 <Ubit> cna you please let me think?
2020-01-18 22:52 <Ubit> gezz :p
2020-01-18 22:52 <BillBlight> My grid is not commercial, it is friends and family
2020-01-18 22:52 <cslcm> in any project, any bug which involves data loss is a severe issue in my book.
2020-01-18 22:52 <Ubit> so much noise :p
2020-01-18 22:52 <cslcm> but i admit that opinions may vary
2020-01-18 22:53 <cslcm> i'm out for the night anyway, laters
2020-01-18 22:53 <BillBlight> My issue is not with the bug, my issues is, "OMG WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE IF THIS DOES NOT GET FIXED!!"
2020-01-18 22:53 <cslcm> i said it's a massive bug, and i stand by that, because it causes data loss in a normal use case scenario
2020-01-18 22:53 <cslcm> i didn't say it'll destroy everything
2020-01-18 22:54 <BillBlight> normal to who?  Normal to how you use it, have you heard from a large percentage of opensim creators/builders that have a problem with it
2020-01-18 22:55 <cslcm> It would be interesting for a large grid operator to scan their TextureEntries on their assets and see how many materialIDs are invalid, my bet is that there will be quite a few
2020-01-18 22:55 <cslcm> but as i said, creators won't complain because to them, they see the materials because it's in their viewer cache
2020-01-18 22:57 <BillBlight> soo people should not be seeing the entire regions of stuff that she has made, or all the objects she made that are on kitely should be missing materials ....  (they are not)
2020-01-18 22:58 <cslcm> the behaviour of one creator does not make an argument
2020-01-18 22:58 <cslcm> if you think everyone leaves stuff rezzed before 60 seconds after editing it, you're wrong
2020-01-18 22:58 <cslcm> for 60*
2020-01-18 22:58 <BillBlight> whatever have fun
2020-01-18 22:59 <Ubit> guys.. cool down
2020-01-18 23:00 <cslcm> i'm cool :) don't confuse a debate with anger, lol
2020-01-18 23:00 <cslcm> but i do have to go
2020-01-18 23:00 <cslcm> night night
2020-01-19 00:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #6632 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-19 00:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6632: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6632/
2020-01-19 00:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8647: try to not lose materials on fast objects take, but without changing a lot of files
2020-01-19 11:53 <osmantis> Bug #8647:04 Material asset not being created if object is taken within 60 seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8647 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-19 12:05 <osmantis> Bug #8647:04 Material asset not being created if object is taken within 60 seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8647 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-19 12:54 <osmantis> Bug #8645:04 Many duplicates in the table "landaccesslist" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8645 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-19 12:56 <osmantis> Bug #8645:04 Many duplicates in the table "landaccesslist" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8645 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-01-19 13:10 <osmantis> Bug #8647:04 Material asset not being created if object is taken within 60 seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8647 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2020-01-19 14:08 <cslcm> Another observation: IAR export does not correctly export gesture assets
2020-01-19 14:15 <Ubit> mantis ?
2020-01-19 14:15 <Ubit> :)
2020-01-19 14:23 <cslcm> i'm currently trying to figure out the gesture asset format :P
2020-01-19 14:30 <Ubit> wlel i do have gestures for iar
2020-01-19 14:30 <Ubit> from
2020-01-19 14:31 <Ubit> well never use them  so no idea :p
2020-01-19 16:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #6633 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-19 16:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6633: FAILURE in 8 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6633/
2020-01-19 16:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: send allowaccessoverride flag on regionhandshake
2020-01-19 16:40 <Ubit> oops
2020-01-19 16:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #6634 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6632 16 hr ago)
2020-01-19 16:50 <osmantis> Bug #8648:04 xengine: collision(integer num_detected) does not trigger if avatar is in collision with the object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8648 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-01-19 16:52 <osmantis> Bug #8648:04 xengine: collision(integer num_detected) does not trigger if avatar is in collision with the object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8648 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-19 16:59 <Ubit> anyone sees ims starting with "*** parent estate: 1,mainland " ??
2020-01-19 17:06 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-01-19 17:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6634: FIXED in 21 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6634/
2020-01-19 17:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops i still did not updated libomv with new flag name
2020-01-19 17:06 <osmantis> Bug #8648:04 xengine: collision(integer num_detected) does not trigger if avatar is in collision with the object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8648 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-19 17:09 <osmantis> Bug #8648:04 xengine: collision(integer num_detected) does not trigger if avatar is in collision with the object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8648 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-19 17:13 <osmantis> Bug #8648:04 xengine: collision(integer num_detected) does not trigger if avatar is in collision with the object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8648 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-19 17:13 <osmantis> Bug #8648:04 xengine: collision(integer num_detected) does not trigger if avatar is in collision with the object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8648 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-19 17:29 <osmantis> Bug #8648:04 xengine: collision(integer num_detected) does not trigger if avatar is in collision with the object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8648 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-19 17:30 <osmantis> Bug #8648:04 xengine: collision(integer num_detected) does not trigger if avatar is in collision with the object 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8648 ): has been CLOSED
2020-01-19 17:37 <djphil> I would like to take this opportunity to call you back #8547 and @ #8367
2020-01-19 17:37 <djphil> @ http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8547
2020-01-19 17:37 <djphil> @ http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8367
2020-01-19 19:12 <Tampa> I sometimes think about what would have been if we had gpl instead of mit licensing
2020-01-19 19:12 <Ubit> we don't have mit
2020-01-19 19:13 <Tampa> bsd mit apache all similar stuff really, when it comes to "no need to contribute"
2020-01-19 19:14 <Ubit> not even mention source
2020-01-19 19:15 <Tampa> Not much is released under bsd anymore these days, most go for mit or gpl
2020-01-19 19:16 <Ubit> gpl is crap
2020-01-19 19:16 <Ubit> damm virus
2020-01-19 19:17 <Tampa> gpl contribution policy gets broken more often than...
2020-01-19 19:17 <Tampa> insert adult rated joke
2020-01-19 19:19 <Tampa> When I see mit I already like, means I can edit stuff I don't like without having to go through the stupid "contribution policy" some projects have
2020-01-19 19:20 <Ubit> like we do :p
2020-01-19 19:20 <Tampa> Nah opensim policy is super easy, write patch, attach to mantis, complain to Ubit... profits
2020-01-19 20:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #6635 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-01-19 20:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6635: SUCCESS in 4 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6635/
2020-01-19 20:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: catch more error exception cases on fetchinventory req parsing
2020-01-19 21:05 <osmantis> Bug #8282:04 Settings PRIM_NORMAL, PRIM_SPECULAR, PRIM_ALPHA_MODE, not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8282 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-19 23:16 <osmantis> Bug #8282:04 Settings PRIM_NORMAL, PRIM_SPECULAR, PRIM_ALPHA_MODE, not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8282 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-19 23:18 <Tampa> If it has been added according to spec then that should be resolved
2020-01-20 09:19 <osmantis> Bug #8649:04 LSL scripting - llForceMouselook not working properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8649 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-20 11:38 <PunyaUK> I have a script that can end up doing a divide by zero and I see that in 0.9.0 it gives an answer 'Infinity' and carries on.  But I wonder if something has changed in 0.9.1 and/or y-engine that would mean it now gives a divide by zero error?
2020-01-20 11:38 <PunyaUK> PS - it's not my script so don't blame me for not checking the math!
2020-01-20 11:41 <Ubit> that will fail on 0.91
2020-01-20 11:41 <Ubit> on both engines
2020-01-20 11:41 <Ubit> fail with script error
2020-01-20 11:42 <PunyaUK> Thanks for comfirming :-)
2020-01-20 11:42 <Ubit> not fail is a c# thing we never noticed
2020-01-20 11:42 <Ubit> on integers it does error
2020-01-20 11:43 <Ubit> ( integer as no NaN/infinity rep )
2020-01-20 11:44 <Tampa> NaN oh the ptsd flashbacks whenever I see that yikes
2020-01-20 11:44 <Ubit> well c# standard is now to handle thne as numbers
2020-01-20 11:44 <Ubit> we can't allow that
2020-01-20 11:45 <Ubit> a ton of things would turn out as NaN all over region
2020-01-20 11:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #6636 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-20 11:50 <Tampa> Out of all the queries sent between robust regions and viewer 7 are apparently not as optimized as they could be
2020-01-20 11:50 <Tampa> Which is great news because this stupid thing doesn't say which ones or what is wrong with them
2020-01-20 11:50 <Tampa> Great tool -.-
2020-01-20 11:50 <Ubit> most are just bad
2020-01-20 11:51 <Ubit> damm xml lovers :p
2020-01-20 11:51 <Tampa> I suspect most of these are just the empty data stuff that gets used so rarely the tests it does never use those or something
2020-01-20 11:51 <Tampa> Could be dead data too
2020-01-20 11:52 <Ubit> all things ll moved from udp to http added increased network trafic by more than 10x
2020-01-20 11:52 <Ubit> 100x possible :p
2020-01-20 11:53 <Ubit>             bool accessovr = !Scene.RegionInfo.EstateSettings.TaxFree;
2020-01-20 11:53 <Ubit>             LLSDxmlEncode.AddArrayAndMap("RegionAllowAccessBlock", sb);
2020-01-20 11:53 <Ubit>             LLSDxmlEncode.AddElem("RegionAllowAccessOverride", accessovr, sb);
2020-01-20 11:53 <Ubit>             LLSDxmlEncode.AddEndMapAndArray(sb);
2020-01-20 11:53 <Ubit>             OSDllsdxml ev = new OSDllsdxml(eq.EndEvent(sb));
2020-01-20 11:53 <Ubit> to send ONE stupid BIT
2020-01-20 11:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6636: SUCCESS in 5 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6636/
2020-01-20 11:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix last log message, and change things a bit
2020-01-20 11:58 <Ubit> thats like <key>RegionAllowAccessBlock</key><array><map><key>RegionAllowAccessOverride</key><boolean>1></boolean></map></array>
2020-01-20 11:58 <Ubit> large bat bit no ?
2020-01-20 11:58 <Ubit> fat
2020-01-20 11:59 <Ubit> well thats the crap xml lovers do
2020-01-20 13:13 <osmantis> Bug #8562:04 On Windows 10 1903 Cannot Set Landing Point and Cannot Set OpenSim Region Picture Cannot Activate Group 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8562 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-01-20 13:13 <osmantis> Bug #8650:04 restart simulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8650 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-01-20 13:37 <osmantis> Bug #8649:04 LSL scripting - llForceMouselook not working properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8649 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-20 13:43 <osmantis> Bug #8650:04 restart simulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8650 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-20 13:49 <osmantis> Bug #8650:04 restart simulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8650 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-20 13:58 <osmantis> Bug #8649:04 LSL scripting - llForceMouselook not working properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8649 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-20 13:59 <osmantis> Bug #8646:04 The row "Expire" is still not implemted in "landaccesslist" on SqLite 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8646 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-20 14:12 <osmantis> Bug #8650:04 restart simulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8650 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-01-20 14:14 <osmantis> Bug #8649:04 LSL scripting - llForceMouselook not working properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8649 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-20 14:19 <osmantis> Bug #8649:04 LSL scripting - llForceMouselook not working properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8649 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-20 15:18 <osmantis> Bug #8649:04 LSL scripting - llForceMouselook not working properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8649 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-20 15:31 <osmantis> Bug #8646:04 The row "Expire" is still not implemted in "landaccesslist" on SqLite 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8646 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2020-01-20 16:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #6637 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-20 16:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6637: SUCCESS in 4 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6637/
2020-01-20 16:18 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove usage of lludp highpriority send queue. It causes more issues than good
2020-01-20 16:18 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: do not use viewer autopilot on physics sits also. Viewer side autopilot needs more work to avoid desyncs, that we never had
2020-01-20 16:18 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: try to cache cof is a waste of time
2020-01-20 16:18 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: ok ok reduce stand jump a bit
2020-01-20 16:19 <osmantis> Bug #8649:04 LSL scripting - llForceMouselook not working properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8649 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-20 16:23 <osmantis> Bug #8634:04 Request a method to set the position of an avatar when standing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8634 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-20 16:23 <osmantis> Bug #8503:04 When Avi gets up after sitting he makes an unnatural air jump 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8503 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-20 16:28 <osmantis> Bug #8649:04 LSL scripting - llForceMouselook not working properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8649 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-20 18:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #6638 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-20 18:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6638: SUCCESS in 4 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6638/
2020-01-20 18:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: tell viewers to autopilot on sit, but bypass it, so camera does get set
2020-01-20 19:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #6639 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-20 19:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6639: SUCCESS in 4 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6639/
2020-01-20 19:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: don't allow viewer to change rotation on sit
2020-01-20 19:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #6640 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-20 19:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6640: SUCCESS in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6640/
2020-01-20 19:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: don't let physics sit on phantom fall back to ugly default
2020-01-20 21:23 <Plugh> Does anyone know where to find a C# compiler for Windows? The MS website has changed and the links to the free Visual Studio program appears to be C++ only and is some kind of community edition.
2020-01-20 21:37 <AliciaRaven2> as far as i know the free c# visual studio has always been community edition
2020-01-20 21:38 <AliciaRaven2> its .net so includes vc++, vb and c#
2020-01-20 21:42 <Tampa> Find the csc.exe of the current .net install, give it parameters for what project aka what .cs to compile and it should do it Plugh
2020-01-20 21:43 <Tampa> At least that's how I learned it back in school when we worked using notepad xD
2020-01-20 21:43 <Plugh> This is for a machine running Windows Server and not Win 10.
2020-01-20 21:46 <Tampa> Should be the same regardless I would think, what windows server 2012 or?
2020-01-20 21:48 <Plugh> In the past there was a C# package I downloaded and installed from the MS site.
2020-01-20 21:55 <Tampa> Open cli run dotnet --version
2020-01-20 21:55 <Plugh> no such command
2020-01-20 21:56 <Tampa> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/38773590/can-i-build-net-core-applications-on-a-windows-server-without-visual-studio-ins
2020-01-20 21:57 <Tampa> I think I did that before for halcyon or whatever been a while
2020-01-20 21:58 <Tampa> If you have dotnet core or whatever the full fat thing is called now installed msbuild.exe should also be available
2020-01-20 21:58 <Tampa> I don't have my local 2012 box up to test so flying slightly blind here
2020-01-20 21:59 <Tampa> Just build on linux using mono, it's the same the binary will run on windows too
2020-01-20 22:04 <Plugh> Tampa: Thanks. The dotnet thing seems to have got it going. It's been quite a few years since I did any C#compiles under Windows.
2020-01-20 22:05 <Plugh> I was going to compile under Linux and upload the files but that's a bit of a pain. I also wanted the person I'm helping to have the ability to compile the code for themself.
2020-01-20 22:05 <Plugh> Time for a break before dinner.
2020-01-20 22:05 <Plugh> bbl
2020-01-21 06:09 -!- Aramis^(~someone@c-66-229-179-38.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has left #opensim-dev
2020-01-21 18:46 <ubit> metting in 10min our im on the wrong day?
2020-01-21 18:48 <Plugh> You are on the right day. 
2020-01-21 18:48 <ubit> :)
2020-01-21 18:48 <ubit> well lets see if my net holds
2020-01-21 18:49 <ubit> some strong wind.. and now it seems to fail acording to it
2020-01-21 18:50 <ubit> guess air wires bad somewhere
2020-01-21 18:50 <ubit> old analog voice phone is just dead
2020-01-21 19:13 <Plugh> Where is everyone today? Hardly anyone at the meeting.
2020-01-21 20:54 <osmantis> Bug #8282:04 Settings PRIM_NORMAL, PRIM_SPECULAR, PRIM_ALPHA_MODE, not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8282 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-21 21:18 <osmantis> Bug #8282:04 Settings PRIM_NORMAL, PRIM_SPECULAR, PRIM_ALPHA_MODE, not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8282 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-22 00:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #6641 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-22 00:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6641: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6641/
2020-01-22 00:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: back to sits and stands
2020-01-22 03:58 <Plugh> Tampa: When I tried to start up OpenSim compiled with dotnet I get red text saying it can't find Mono.Security.
2020-01-22 04:20 <Plugh> nm. Got that problem sorted. Now I'm trying to figure out why the program never starts scripts.
2020-01-22 18:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #6642 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-22 18:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6642: FAILURE in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6642/
2020-01-22 18:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8634: add osSetSitActiveRange(float range) , osSetStandTarget(vector feetAproxPosition) and respective get functions. range <0 disables sits on the prim, = 0 uses region default,feetAproxPosition is in prim local frame. <0,0,0> disables it. Still no persistance. feedback required!
2020-01-22 18:29 <osmantis> Bug #8634:04 Request a method to set the position of an avatar when standing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8634 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-22 18:29 <osmantis> Bug #8634:04 Request a method to set the position of an avatar when standing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8634 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-01-22 18:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #6643 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6641 18 hr ago)
2020-01-22 18:40 <Ubit> added this to coment
2020-01-22 18:40 <Ubit> this values are not saved, for now. They will be.
2020-01-22 18:40 <Ubit> Please let us know any issues or what you think
2020-01-22 18:42 <Ubit> note that viewers keep showing sit on the menu...
2020-01-22 18:42 <Ubit> as always
2020-01-22 18:42 <Ubit> that cant be disable
2020-01-22 18:42 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-01-22 18:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6643: FIXED in 4 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6643/
2020-01-22 18:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: limit unscripted and not done by physics sits to 10m distance again
2020-01-22 18:44 <Ubit> oops also added:
2020-01-22 18:44 <Ubit> unscripted sits not done by physics still have the extra limit of 10m
2020-01-22 18:45 <Ubit> does it work dj ?
2020-01-22 18:46 <Ubit> oops
2020-01-22 18:46 <Ubit> see a issue on multi sits by physics.. they will all stand on same spot
2020-01-22 18:47 <Ubit> but idea of this use is more on scripted case
2020-01-22 18:47 <Ubit> like cars etc
2020-01-22 18:48 <Ubit> i could make it relative to current sit position
2020-01-22 18:48 <Ubit> but then.. a mess setting it
2020-01-22 19:14 <djphil> No tested yet Ubit
2020-01-22 19:14 <Ubit> shame :p
2020-01-22 19:14 <Ubit> :)
2020-01-22 19:15 <djphil> If they all stand in the same position this will certainly encourage mating
2020-01-22 19:15 <Ubit> just on physics 
2020-01-22 19:15 <djphil> I will test well but I do not have 0.9.2 installed currently
2020-01-22 19:16 <Ubit> ie using physics
2020-01-22 19:16 <djphil> I have mltisite but not on physical oject
2020-01-22 19:16 <Ubit> physics allows N avatars to sit on same prim
2020-01-22 19:16 <djphil> multi*
2020-01-22 19:16 <Ubit> but only one stand offset :p
2020-01-22 19:16 <djphil> value of N ?
2020-01-22 19:16 <Ubit> all avatars on region :p
2020-01-22 19:17 <djphil> Hmmmm good :)
2020-01-22 19:17 <Ubit> well i could change that.. but messy
2020-01-22 19:17 <Ubit> very 
2020-01-22 19:18 <Ubit> well no point on having a script to set stand target on physics prims
2020-01-22 19:18 <djphil> No
2020-01-22 19:18 <djphil> why ?
2020-01-22 19:19 <Ubit> bc what said above :p
2020-01-22 19:19 <djphil> Ha ok
2020-01-22 19:19 <Ubit> and physics sits are about avoiding sit scripts
2020-01-22 19:19 <djphil> I thought you meant because the vehicle is moving lol
2020-01-22 19:20 <Ubit> vehicles use sittarget
2020-01-22 19:20 <djphil> all sit use it
2020-01-22 19:20 <Ubit> welll this is test code
2020-01-22 19:20 <Ubit> and a step improving
2020-01-22 19:21 <Ubit> nwo you should be able to tell the driver to leave the car by the door :p
2020-01-22 19:21 <Ubit> more or less :p
2020-01-22 19:21 <djphil> in any case it will be better than push or teleport
2020-01-22 19:21 <Ubit> well lets see
2020-01-22 19:21 <djphil> I hope this does not reset the camera this time :p
2020-01-22 19:22 <Ubit> camera and avatar rotation are viewer things
2020-01-22 19:22 <Ubit> can't control those
2020-01-22 19:22 <djphil> push don't reset cam but tp reset it
2020-01-22 19:22 <Ubit> can kinda do it on the sit
2020-01-22 19:22 <djphil> hope the new fonction no reest it
2020-01-22 19:22 <Ubit> think i finally managed to do it
2020-01-22 19:23 <Ubit> but no control on stand
2020-01-22 19:23 <djphil> When you get up, you don't like having your camera reset (depending on the case)
2020-01-22 19:23 <Ubit> well with last days changes
2020-01-22 19:24 <Ubit> when you stand, the avatar should face the stand direction
2020-01-22 19:24 <Ubit> ( unless you did mouselook elsewhere )
2020-01-22 19:26 <djphil> Imagine you are sitting, you are using the zoom to see certain things ... then you get up.  With push no problem the camera does not move but with teleport your camera will return to its initial position (this is annoying)
2020-01-22 19:27 <Ubit> viewers control that mostly
2020-01-22 19:27 <djphil> The problem is not that it is the viewer that does it ... the problem is simply that this happens :p
2020-01-22 19:27 <Ubit> you can disable camera reset on tp
2020-01-22 19:27 <Ubit> but then  you tp and the camera stays behind :p
2020-01-22 19:28 <Ubit> ( tp on same region )
2020-01-22 19:28 <djphil> Yes it is an alternative
2020-01-22 19:28 <djphil> But then it becomes annoying because sometimes it's good if the camera reset ... for example after a TP.
2020-01-22 19:29 <djphil> If push does not trigger the rreset cam viewer then maybe your new functions could do the same ...
2020-01-22 19:30 <djphil> Hmmm I have to talk to Bill, I have 2 ideas for 2 new namespaces :)
2020-01-22 19:31 <Ubit> they just set the position
2020-01-22 19:31 <Ubit> so should be as previus sits (without push )
2020-01-22 19:31 <Ubit> jsut diferent position
2020-01-22 19:32 <djphil> I hope :)
2020-01-22 19:33 <djphil> I will add the 4 ossl in the main list
2020-01-22 19:42 <djphil> Added here only http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Category:OSSL_Functions
2020-01-22 19:42 <Ubit> well still exp
2020-01-22 19:42 <Ubit> they don't store the values wtill
2020-01-22 19:43 <djphil> yeap, a read that
2020-01-22 19:43 <Ubit> hmm and not avatar
2020-01-22 19:43 <Ubit> those are prim things
2020-01-22 19:43 <djphil> ok
2020-01-22 19:43 <Ubit> i no longer jump to bar at the meeting place :P
2020-01-22 19:43 <djphil> Even I don't do it right :(
2020-01-22 19:45 <Ubit> whould be nice to set a rotation also :(
2020-01-22 21:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #6644 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-01-22 21:20 <Ubit> damm broken net :(
2020-01-22 21:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6644: SUCCESS in 5 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6644/
2020-01-22 21:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix bug on sit active range check
2020-01-22 21:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #6645 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-22 21:37 <djphil> Why `CreatorID` varchar(255) NOT NULL DEFAULT '', is set to varchar(255) ?
2020-01-22 21:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6645: SUCCESS in 4 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6645/
2020-01-22 21:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: store the new variables on mysql
2020-01-22 22:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #6646 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-22 22:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6646: SUCCESS in 4 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6646/
2020-01-22 22:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: serialize the new variables
2020-01-22 23:02 <snik> hi folks, please forgive this brief cross post from #opensim....
2020-01-22 23:03 <snik> I'm in the process of testing a sim server, however i'm getting some interesting errors when trying to pull the  existing estate groups data off the grid server, has anyone a few minutes who may be able to assist or perhaps point out where I'm going wrong?
2020-01-22 23:03 <snik> i'm currently only able to see the My Estate group, thats been created on the sim server, rather than the Estate groups on the main grid server....
2020-01-22 23:03 <snik> ....any help or general illumination would be appreciated
2020-01-22 23:03 <Tampa> Your simulator is not connected to the grid estate handler then
2020-01-22 23:04 <Tampa> Check your gridcommon and grid configs
2020-01-22 23:04 <snik> hiya Tampa
2020-01-22 23:04 <Ubit> guess a config option
2020-01-22 23:04 <snik> hi ubit
2020-01-22 23:04 <Ubit> hi
2020-01-22 23:04 <snik> yeah, thats exactly what I thought
2020-01-22 23:05 <snik> I'm assuming the Estate group info is passed over the private port, namely 8003
2020-01-22 23:05 <Ubit> our grid estate is only a store, if i remember
2020-01-22 23:05 <snik> ok ubit, I totally understand that :)
2020-01-22 23:05 <snik> 	private ports have been opened bi-bidirectionally on both the grid and sim server, for each servers external IP, ofc
2020-01-22 23:06 <snik> let me just grab a couple of lines from the recent log file....
2020-01-22 23:09 <snik> 2020-01-22 22:11:56,624 ERROR - OpenSim.Services.Connectors.EstateDataRemoteConnector [ESTATE CONNECTOR]: Resource http://britgrid.com:8003/estates/estate/?region=2f163da0-de5b-4e77-9436-84127f1c05b9&create=False not found 
2020-01-22 23:09 <snik> 2020-01-22 22:11:56,666 ERROR - OpenSim.Services.Connectors.EstateDataRemoteConnector [ESTATE CONNECTOR]: Resource http://britgrid.com:8003/estates not found 
2020-01-22 23:09 <snik> 2020-01-22 22:11:56,709 ERROR - OpenSim.Services.Connectors.EstateDataRemoteConnector [ESTATE CONNECTOR]: Resource http://britgrid.com:8003/estates/estate/?region=2f163da0-de5b-4e77-9436-84127f1c05b9&create=True not found
2020-01-22 23:10 <snik> apologies for spamming the chat channel with log entries
2020-01-22 23:10 <Ubit> well you do have a clear error :)
2020-01-22 23:10 <snik> I certainly do Ubit :)
2020-01-22 23:11 <Ubit> the region was created without that grid thing active?
2020-01-22 23:12 <Ubit> ( or that estate..)
2020-01-22 23:12 <Ubit> bahh i do not want to think about that
2020-01-22 23:12 <Ubit> our code on that is just wrong
2020-01-22 23:12 <snik> the sims actually hooked into the grid right now
2020-01-22 23:13 <snik> you can tp to the sim, just fine, rezz assets, walk about
2020-01-22 23:13 <snik> tp from that sim, to any other sim on the grid, that all works
2020-01-22 23:15 <Ubit> well check on robut
2020-01-22 23:15 <Ubit> see if that service is really active
2020-01-22 23:15 <snik> kk Ubit
2020-01-22 23:16 <snik> erm, you may have to tell me how to do that like i'm a 5yr old, who knows nothing Ubit, as I'm not a dev or coder....let me look @ Robust
2020-01-22 23:16 <Ubit> dunno um 4yr old
2020-01-22 23:16 <Tampa> There are configuration examples on the wiki though
2020-01-22 23:17 <Tampa> If you are so lost with it all it may be best to fetch someone to do that stuff for you if you have no affinity for it
2020-01-22 23:17 <snik> 
ACTION chuckles

2020-01-22 23:17 <snik> OK I'm in Robust
2020-01-22 23:18 <snik> Sim Remote Test       2f163da0-de5b-4e77-9436-84127f1c05b9  8992,8992    256x256      RegionOnline
2020-01-22 23:19 <Tampa> Open up your favorite db explorer and check if you have an estate_settings and estate_map table on the grid database, if not then you are still running local estates and the simulator is not connected to the grid
2020-01-22 23:19 <snik> Robust reports the sims online
2020-01-22 23:19 <Tampa> Those tables handle which region is assigned which estate
2020-01-22 23:20 <snik> on the grid server or the sim server, tampa?
2020-01-22 23:20 <Ubit> i said, check if that estate service is action on robust
2020-01-22 23:20 <Ubit> like looking on robust.ini ?
2020-01-22 23:20 <snik> ah KK Ubit, one mo
2020-01-22 23:21 <Tampa> On the grid server should be a database to handle the grid-related stuff like inventory and presence for example, that's also where the grid-wide estates are handled from using those two tables I mentioned
2020-01-22 23:21 <Ubit> is action ?? is active :)
2020-01-22 23:21 <Tampa> If there are no entries in that table then somethings not connected right and the simulator has not told the grid of its estate yet
2020-01-22 23:22 <snik> Ubit -->     ;; Uncomment if you want to have centralized estate data
2020-01-22 23:22 <snik>     ; EstateDataService = "${Const|PrivatePort}/OpenSim.Server.Handlers.dll:EstateDataRobustConnector"
2020-01-22 23:22 <Tampa> In all likelihood you have either not setup robust to supply the estateservice connector for simulators to connect to or the simulator is not configured to use the right one
2020-01-22 23:22 <Tampa> So uncomment that line
2020-01-22 23:22 <snik> I'm gonna say "No" to that Ubit :)
2020-01-22 23:22 <snik> hehe, thanks Ubit :)
2020-01-22 23:22 <Ubit> :)
2020-01-22 23:23 <snik> Tampa & Ubit many hugs, thanks for the assitance
2020-01-22 23:23 <snik> Robust config was the very last thing on my list of things to check
2020-01-22 23:23 <snik> right after DNS :)
2020-01-22 23:24 <Tampa> If you find yourself stuck on this stuff more often may I suggest finding someone who has experience with it to help you along, we aren't always here to help :)
2020-01-22 23:25 <snik> Tampa, can I suggest, you may possibly consider, everyone has to learn, one way or the other, and helping those who are learning, or are experiencing  issues is not only the right thing to do, ethically, but morally, as well
2020-01-22 23:26 <snik> and I dont appreciate your tone, Tampa
2020-01-22 23:28 <Tampa>  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2020-01-22 23:29 <snik> Tampa -->I rarely get stuck, I've been in Opensim for more years and created and run more grids, than I'd care to count ;)
2020-01-22 23:29 <snik> Ok well thanks for the help, have a great rest of the day, you opensim-devs :)
2020-01-23 10:18 <osmantis> Bug #8634:04 Request a method to set the position of an avatar when standing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8634 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-23 10:37 <osmantis> Bug #8503:04 When Avi gets up after sitting he makes an unnatural air jump 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8503 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-23 10:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #6647 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-23 10:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6647: FAILURE in 5 min 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6647/
2020-01-23 10:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: store the new variables on sqlite and pgsql ( could not test)
2020-01-23 11:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #6648 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6646 13 hr ago)
2020-01-23 11:19 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-01-23 11:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6648: FIXED in 4 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6648/
2020-01-23 11:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix the dbs migrations
2020-01-23 17:10 <Tampa> Anyone know how to send application/json through http requests or is that disallowed by code?
2020-01-23 17:10 <djphil> from in to out you mean ?
2020-01-23 17:11 <djphil> (Inworld to Outworld)
2020-01-23 17:11 <Tampa> yes
2020-01-23 17:11 <djphil> is possible
2020-01-23 17:11 <djphil> just send a string ...
2020-01-23 17:12 <Tampa> It needs content-type application/json to work
2020-01-23 17:12 <djphil> If you have a lsl list you can parse it with LlList2Json
2020-01-23 17:12 <Tampa> Can't just send content-type string or whatever
2020-01-23 17:12 <Tampa> "Content-Type: application/json' -d '{'text': 'Hello, this is some text\nThis is more text. :tada:'}"
2020-01-23 17:12 <djphil> you can set header into php too :)
2020-01-23 17:13 <djphil> Into LSL script you can use HTTP_MIMETYPE
2020-01-23 17:13 <djphil> or HTTP_CUSTOM_HEADER :p
2020-01-23 17:15 <Plugh> I use the HTTP_MIMETYPE setting to pass data in a URL to an external site.
2020-01-23 17:15 <djphil> Help @ https://community.secondlife.com/forums/topic/410665-mime-type-changes-for-http-with-lsl/
2020-01-23 17:16 <djphil> and Wiki's :p
2020-01-23 17:20 <Tampa> llHTTPRequest("https://sendinfo", [HTTP_MIMETYPE,"application/json"], "{'text': 'Hello, this is some text\nThis is more text. :tada:'}");
2020-01-23 17:20 <Tampa> Still saying cant send that verb-type
2020-01-23 17:21 <djphil> I just send it from my osgrid region without error
2020-01-23 17:22 <djphil> But this is better with \" ito remplace '
2020-01-23 17:23 <djphil> Both work here :)
2020-01-23 17:25 <djphil> You can add HTTP_METHOD, "POST"
2020-01-23 17:26 <djphil> Fun with json GET @ https://forums.osgrid.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6398 :)
2020-01-23 17:30 <Plugh> Tampa: Can you pastebin your code?
2020-01-23 17:36 <djphil> debug <?php foreach ($_SERVER as $k => $v) {if (substr($k, 0, 5) == 'HTTP_'){print "\n". $k. "\t". $v;}} ?>
2020-01-23 20:30 <Ubit> did fill up the new functions entries on wiki
2020-01-23 20:38 <djphil> :)
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2020-01-24 23:01 <Tampa> Ubit, mind crontab the restart of the server the site is offline again
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2020-01-25 13:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #6649 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-01-25 13:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6649: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6649/
2020-01-25 13:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add osSetLinkSitActiveRange
2020-01-25 13:55 <osmantis> Bug #8634:04 Request a method to set the position of an avatar when standing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8634 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-25 14:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #6650 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-25 14:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6650: SUCCESS in 4 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6650/
2020-01-25 14:30 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add osGetLinkSitActiveRange
2020-01-25 14:30 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: update sintaxe
2020-01-25 14:32 <osmantis> Bug #8634:04 Request a method to set the position of an avatar when standing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8634 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-25 15:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #6651 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-25 15:32 <djphil> :)
2020-01-25 15:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6651: SUCCESS in 4 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6651/
2020-01-25 15:36 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: why not also osGetLinkStandTarget
2020-01-25 15:36 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: forgot again sintaxe
2020-01-25 15:38 <djphil> And why not osSetDynamicTextureURLFace :p
2020-01-25 15:38 <Ubit> good try :p
2020-01-25 15:38 <djphil> :)
2020-01-25 15:40 <Ubit> opos forgot the setlinkstandtarget grrr
2020-01-25 15:42 <djphil> i know one is missing here too http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OSSL_TextureDrawing
2020-01-25 15:42 <djphil> but i forget wich one :(
2020-01-25 15:47 <djphil> Hmmm, I'm going to have to check one by one because it seems there are several missing .
2020-01-25 15:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #6652 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-25 15:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6652: SUCCESS in 4 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6652/
2020-01-25 15:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ... osSetLinkStandTarget
2020-01-25 15:58 <osmantis> Bug #8634:04 Request a method to set the position of an avatar when standing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8634 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2020-01-27 12:02 <cslcm> if you put an inventory item into a notecard and then delete the item from your inventory, the item in the notecard becomes invalid - this doesn't occur in SL, but was it decided to act in this way to prevent inventory server clutter?
2020-01-27 13:11 <osmantis> Bug #8651:04 Notecard embedded item invalidated when user inventory deleted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8651 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-01-27 15:03 <osmantis> Bug #8651:04 Notecard embedded item invalidated when user inventory deleted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8651 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-27 15:26 <osmantis> Bug #8652:04 Compiled script and running script mismatch 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8652 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-01-27 15:27 <osmantis> Bug #8652:04 Compiled script and running script mismatch 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8652 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-01-27 15:29 <osmantis> Bug #8651:04 Notecard embedded item invalidated when user inventory deleted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8651 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-27 15:45 <osmantis> Bug #8652:04 Compiled script and running script mismatch 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8652 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-01-27 15:46 <osmantis> Bug #8652:04 Compiled script and running script mismatch 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8652 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-01-27 15:47 <osmantis> Bug #8652:04 Compiled script and running script mismatch 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8652 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-01-27 15:48 <osmantis> Bug #8651:04 Notecard embedded item invalidated when user inventory deleted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8651 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-27 15:50 <osmantis> Bug #8652:04 Compiled script and running script mismatch 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8652 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-01-27 15:51 <osmantis> Bug #8652:04 Compiled script and running script mismatch 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8652 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-27 16:01 <osmantis> Bug #8652:04 Compiled script and running script mismatch 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8652 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-01-27 16:39 <osmantis> Bug #8652:04 Compiled script and running script mismatch 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8652 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-28 15:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #6653 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-28 15:46 <osmantis> Bug #8653:04 osNpcMoveTo and osNpcMoveToTarget no longer function properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8653 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-28 15:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6653: SUCCESS in 4 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6653/
2020-01-28 15:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8653 fix npc movement updates
2020-01-28 16:18 <osmantis> Bug #8653:04 osNpcMoveTo and osNpcMoveToTarget no longer function properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8653 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-01-28 16:37 <osmantis> Bug #8634:04 Request a method to set the position of an avatar when standing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8634 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-28 18:29 <osmantis> Bug #8634:04 Request a method to set the position of an avatar when standing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8634 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-28 18:53 <Ubit> meeting day ?
2020-01-28 18:56 <djphil> osSetLinkStandTarget ("dev outbreak", <128, 128, 25>));
2020-01-28 18:57 <djphil> Ubit, did you find the database for osGetAgentCountry ?
2020-01-28 18:57 <Ubit> yes
2020-01-28 18:57 <Ubit> and forgot it :p
2020-01-28 18:57 <djphil> Haaaaaaa
2020-01-28 18:57 <djphil> Hooooo
2020-01-28 18:58 <djphil> I see any where ... any infos ... nothing
2020-01-28 18:58 <djphil> just found "requiere  config tools"
2020-01-28 18:59 <djphil> Why so many mysteries :s
2020-01-28 19:01 <djphil> Especially as I can imagine that this database is relatively simple and current. Like php does or other apps that find the country. (eg: fr-FR => French)
2020-01-28 19:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #6654 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-28 19:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6654: SUCCESS in 4 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6654/
2020-01-28 19:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do store UserCountry
2020-01-28 20:00 <djphil> Ha good news :)
2020-01-28 20:02 <Ubit> yeah.. that i did restart the meeting region doing a comit now
2020-01-28 20:02 <Ubit> lol
2020-01-28 20:02 <Ubit> well meeting was over anyway
2020-01-28 20:03 <djphil> is that requiere new column on UserAccounts db  ?
2020-01-28 20:03 <Ubit> no that is encoded inside one already there
2020-01-28 20:03 <djphil> ha ok
2020-01-28 20:04 <djphil> so just populate
2020-01-28 20:05 <Ubit> you may do a mess.. that "data" as other things
2020-01-28 20:06 <djphil> What do you mean ?
2020-01-28 20:06 <Ubit> what i said
2020-01-28 20:06 <Ubit> "data" as is a complex thing with own encoding
2020-01-28 20:06 <Ubit> se around my commit
2020-01-28 20:07 <djphil> you mean country's datas or all datas in general ?
2020-01-28 20:11 <Plugh> Phew! Managed to get the log of todays meeting saved before my viewer went *ding*. :)
2020-01-28 20:11 <Ubit> :)
2020-01-28 20:11 <Ubit> automatic things are cool :)
2020-01-28 20:11 <Plugh> This week and last weeks meeting notes have been posted. Looks like I forgot to post last weeks.
2020-01-28 20:15 <Ubit> ty
2020-01-28 21:36 <Plugh> Any idea what "Invalid assembly public key" means when compiling C# code? I think it is a case of a DLL being too old or too new for the compiler tools in use.
2020-01-28 21:37 <Plugh> The error occurs when the compiler tries to read metadata from the file.
2020-01-28 21:49 <Ubit> guess a strong name thing ( new )
2020-01-28 22:30 <Plugh> The compiler tools just don't seem to be compatible with the module code. No matter what I do I get one error or another.
2020-01-28 23:09 <Plugh> I can't currently build mono 3.2.8 because my libtool package is too new and mono v5 won't build because something seg faults in the middle of building it. I don't know which version of mono v4 is safe to use.
2020-01-28 23:11 <Ubit> old linux box ?
2020-01-28 23:26 <Plugh> It is my same Linux box. I didn't keep the older versions of mono I had compiled. I don't think I have a copy of them on my backup drives as I updated the backups since I removed the older mono installs I had.
2020-01-28 23:27 <Tampa> Why do you want to build mono vs just using their binaries?
2020-01-28 23:30 <Plugh> I'll see if they have a tarball I can use and install. If they only have a .deb package that will mess up my current mono install.
2020-01-28 23:31 <Tampa> Why?
2020-01-28 23:31 <Tampa> What's the goal?
2020-01-28 23:32 <Plugh> The older releases are only for mac and Windows.
2020-01-28 23:32 <Plugh> Build 0.8.2 with a third-party module.
2020-01-28 23:32 <Ubit> what is 0.8.2 ? gezzz
2020-01-28 23:33 <Ubit> well some ppl get what they deserve :p
2020-01-28 23:33 <Tampa> I would think that would compile under msbuild just fine else nant
2020-01-28 23:33 <Tampa> Probably easier to update the module
2020-01-28 23:39 <Plugh> Ubit: Not exactly my choice.
2020-01-28 23:41 <Ubit> guess who will be blamed ?
2020-01-29 10:16 <cslcm> blame it on the boogie
2020-01-29 11:50 <osmantis> Bug #8634:04 Request a method to set the position of an avatar when standing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8634 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-01-29 15:25 <osmantis> Bug #8654:04 [HGFRIENDS MODULE]: Unnecessary fetch of friends for NPCs on root and child regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8654 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-01-29 21:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #6655 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-29 21:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6655: SUCCESS in 4 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6655/
2020-01-29 21:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: revert 8cc02916ab9728f85ce326242b2afa1808bbf9ec. allow physics sit on
2020-01-29 22:55 <osmantis> Bug #8634:04 Request a method to set the position of an avatar when standing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8634 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-01-29 22:56 <osmantis> Bug #8634:04 Request a method to set the position of an avatar when standing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8634 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2020-01-31 00:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #6656 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-31 00:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6656: SUCCESS in 4 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6656/
2020-01-31 00:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix some sqlite regionstore tables
2020-01-31 13:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #6657 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-01-31 13:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6657: SUCCESS in 4 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6657/
2020-01-31 13:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: changes on sqlite estatedata
2020-01-31 22:48 <jsync2> Seems Secondlife made their viewer non-linux friendly. This actually is when having an older version of the viewer comes in handy. It seems to make sense that opensim should maintain their own branch of viewer developments anyway.
2020-01-31 22:49 <Ubit> they gave up linux i think
2020-01-31 22:49 <Ubit> as vivox did
2020-01-31 22:49 <jsync2> They gave up 32 bit at the same time.
2020-01-31 22:49 <Ubit> that also
2020-01-31 22:50 <Ubit> and win7 support soon
2020-01-31 22:50 <jsync2> Debian still maintains i386.
2020-01-31 22:50 <jsync2> Ubit, do you use Linux?
2020-01-31 22:50 <Ubit> on ocasions only
2020-01-31 22:51 <Ubit> but linux is 64b or 32b
2020-01-31 22:51 <Ubit> win is mixed
2020-01-31 22:51 <jsync2> Ah. Somebody should maintain opensim viewer support.
2020-01-31 22:51 <Ubit> even default compile mode is 32bit on win
2020-01-31 22:52 <Ubit> 64 bit rush was silly, but whatever :)
2020-01-31 22:52 <jsync2> Totally ridiculous.
2020-01-31 22:53 <Ubit> you can run opensim in 32bit mode on win :)
2020-01-31 22:53 <jsync2> So is their release of features that aren't Linux friendly.
2020-01-31 22:53 <Ubit> on win64bit i mean of course
2020-01-31 22:53 <jsync2> Yah. Same in Linux.
2020-01-31 22:54 <Ubit> no not on linux
2020-01-31 22:54 <jsync2> Multi-Arch.
2020-01-31 22:54 <jsync2> Yah.
2020-01-31 22:54 <Ubit> linux 64bit only runs 64bit i thing
2020-01-31 22:54 <Ubit> think
2020-01-31 22:54 <jsync2> Well, yeah.
2020-01-31 22:55 <Ubit> ms when moving to 64b had to keep 32b running
2020-01-31 22:55 <jsync2> Well, I'm still running opensim-0.8.1
2020-01-31 22:55 <Ubit> cool, you get what you deserve :p
2020-01-31 22:55 <jsync2> What do you mean?
2020-01-31 22:56 <Ubit> just that :)
2020-01-31 22:57 <jsync2> Well, I still have the old Firestorm source code. I could compile for Linux-friendly viewer.
2020-01-31 22:57 <Ubit> for that you will also need older viewers
2020-01-31 22:58 <jsync2> What changed in recent opensim releases?
2020-01-31 22:58 <Ubit> guess fs and others still try to suport linux
2020-01-31 22:58 <Ubit> ohh nothing much .. coff coff coff :p
2020-01-31 23:01 <jsync2> What was the secondlife viewer version when firestorm was at 4.7.7?
2020-01-31 23:27 <jsync2> Snowstorm 4.0.1
2020-01-31 23:47 <jsync2> Anybody aware of how to get an old secondlife viewer version source code?
2020-02-01 02:25 <jsync2> Wow. 2 hours of talking with Mercurial experts. I love the repositories though!!
2020-02-01 02:26 <jsync2> I'm glad that opensim uses github. It seems more user-friendly. 😎
2020-02-01 02:28 <jsync2> I finally found Tcl & Tk: Great programming/scripting languages with lots of features. I think an incorporation of that & a few other things could make feature-rich NPC capabilities potential.
2020-02-01 02:29 <AliciaRaven> opensim uses github?
2020-02-01 02:29 <jsync2> Well, "git", I meant.
2020-02-01 02:29 <AliciaRaven> gitlab is better than hub :p
2020-02-01 02:42 <AliciaRaven> github is commercial and wants ur money, gitlab CE is free open source and lets u install ur own git server and setup ur own code repo on ur on server under ur control
2020-02-01 02:48 <jsync2> That's neat, AliciaRaven. I didn't realize the differences, not actually.
2020-02-01 02:51 <AliciaRaven> if u want a code repo with a modern web interface like github, gitlab ce is the free alternative, install on ur own server and u have full control, even private repos and i think github only allows public repos for free and either way u have to use their servers so rely on their service
2020-02-01 02:53 <AliciaRaven> only complaint i have is they have more code updates than i make commits, im always having to run apt-get upgrade to update it lol
2020-02-01 02:55 <AliciaRaven> i just had to upgrade my server to more memory tho, needed memory to avoid 403 errors, the server was the cheapest i could find tho so no supprised i had to upgrade
2020-02-01 02:58 <jsync2> I have 2 Dell Precision Servers with Dual Xeons & up to 64gb of RAM. 0.o
2020-02-01 02:58 <jsync2> I only have 20gb of RAM installed in 1, & only 12gb in 2nd.
2020-02-01 02:58 <AliciaRaven> u wouldnt have any problems then lol
2020-02-01 02:59 <jsync2> I'm trying to figure out networking things right now. I've just got them on a local intranet network.
2020-02-01 03:00 <jsync2> Did anybody make a web search plugin for the opensim software yet?
2020-02-01 03:01 <AliciaRaven> ask djphil i think he knows about that
2020-02-01 03:01 <djphil> mmm ?
2020-02-01 03:02 <AliciaRaven> problem is every grid has their own system and generaly servers are up ands down, no centralised service for websearch, well not hg anyway
2020-02-01 03:02 <jsync2> I haven't upgraded my Grid since 0.8.1. I read the release notes & noticed that I need to upgrade to 0.8.2 before going to 0.9.1.
2020-02-01 03:03 <AliciaRaven> djphil, just saying u keep a watch on php web search solutions right? 
2020-02-01 03:03 <djphil> yes true
2020-02-01 03:04 <djphil> recently talk here about the search used by Fred for outwordz
2020-02-01 03:04 <AliciaRaven> i think web search for a single grid is easy, but if u want hg u need a centralized service and all grids have to support it, so not much chance
2020-02-01 03:05 <djphil> like Fred search
2020-02-01 03:05 <djphil> It use a new row on db (gateway)
2020-02-01 03:05 <AliciaRaven> but how many grids provide data to his search engine?
2020-02-01 03:06 <AliciaRaven> unless all grids get on board, its just a limited search
2020-02-01 03:06 <djphil> Diva offer a very limited (i mean basic) web search
2020-02-01 03:06 <AliciaRaven> yes, i think thats the most wide spread option
2020-02-01 03:06 <djphil> http://digigrids.no-ip.org/opensim/divasearch/
2020-02-01 03:07 <AliciaRaven> but still, not that many grids provide data last time i checked
2020-02-01 03:07 <djphil> that i don't know
2020-02-01 03:08 <jsync2> Did Fred release his code?
2020-02-01 03:08 <AliciaRaven> its easy to write hg search solution, but getting grids to allow indexing of their content is harder
2020-02-01 03:09 <djphil> Yes and No jsync2 ... you need tu use it with his system opensim server
2020-02-01 03:09 <djphil> BUT, you can extract it from the system and modify a little bit ...
2020-02-01 03:10 <AliciaRaven> to search all hg, u need a centralised service, and thats cooperation that many grids dont want to be part of
2020-02-01 03:10 <jsync2> His own Grid software?
2020-02-01 03:10 <djphil> the "DreamWorld" system
2020-02-01 03:11 <djphil> files can be found here https://github.com/Outworldz/DreamWorld/tree/V2/OutworldzFiles/Apache/htdocs/Search
2020-02-01 03:11 <jsync2> Yeah, if somebody opened source code & made web search configurable, then people would use it.
2020-02-01 03:11 <AliciaRaven> i think its opensource, but as i say, most grids are not interested in supporting it so coverage is very limited
2020-02-01 03:11 <djphil> i'm working on a similar version but without the dateway
2020-02-01 03:12 <djphil> gateway*
2020-02-01 03:12 <jsync2> What's the gateway about?
2020-02-01 03:13 <djphil> is a new row on search database file used by the web search (is for HG)
2020-02-01 03:13 <AliciaRaven> a search server needs data, it must index content on all grids it can, most dont want that because they want to protect their content and say come to us or u cant get it
2020-02-01 03:14 <jsync2> "Get what?"
2020-02-01 03:14 <jsync2> 😉
2020-02-01 03:14 <djphil> no GEt, GAte !!!
2020-02-01 03:15 <AliciaRaven> what every ur searching for, locations or freebies, they want u to create an acount on their grid not search hg and pop in and take it and leave
2020-02-01 03:16 <jsync2> See: there should be a selective search configuration. He search would allow those grids to essentially advertise to separate grid residents.
2020-02-01 03:16 <AliciaRaven> like car insurance comparison sites, alot of insurance companies do not join because they want u to come direct to them and they market that, saying if u want the best deal come direct to us
2020-02-01 03:16 <djphil> when we talked about this here a few days ago, the general opinion was more against this system than favorable
2020-02-01 03:17 <AliciaRaven> i think if a HG search system is to work, it has to be OSGrid managed and other grids sign on to be indexed
2020-02-01 03:17 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: I prefer github to lab.
2020-02-01 03:17 <AliciaRaven> just some random person saying i have a HG serach system, no one will trust them or take them seriously
2020-02-01 03:18 <AliciaRaven> yea i know Plugh, but hub only lets u have free repos for public, if u want private, or have it installed on ur own server ur screwed
2020-02-01 03:18 <jsync2> Well, if it were just the software that they could configure & use selectively, then they might use it.
2020-02-01 03:19 <Plugh> The first time I logged in to gitlab it felt like a social media tool that someone tried to turn in to a bug tracker and project maintenance tool.
2020-02-01 03:20 <AliciaRaven> jsync2, the data has to be collected and indexed at a single location managed by some one, who better that osgrid
2020-02-01 03:20 <jsync2> Does the DreamWorldz Search system index users, etc.?
2020-02-01 03:21 <djphil> I agree ... and if the central server goes down, we can just change our url in the .ini file and use our own research system. Research is not really "lost"
2020-02-01 03:22 <jsync2> See: each Grid should index what they want to index, & then advertise their indexed search url, & then the other Grid owners should be able to either include the various Grid Search URLs or exclude particular ones.
2020-02-01 03:22 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: I'm working on a project now using a private git repo. It is hosted on a company server. :)
2020-02-01 03:22 <djphil> Not users jsync2
2020-02-01 03:23 <AliciaRaven> using github? how much they paying? lol
2020-02-01 03:23 <Plugh> jsync2: I want to add a web type search feature to the OpenSimSearch module one of these days. Just haven't had time to work on it.
2020-02-01 03:23 <djphil> index are: Grid, Regions, Parcels, Objects, HG Events, Classifields
2020-02-01 03:24 <AliciaRaven> diva and fred both allow u to say what u want indexed, but still need a reliable central service and people to take it seriously
2020-02-01 03:24 <djphil> what that Plugh ?
2020-02-01 03:24 <Plugh> djphil: What what? 
2020-02-01 03:24 <jsync2> SL indexes users as well, & populates world.secondlife.com with that: essentially the part of web search visible outside of SL.
2020-02-01 03:24 <djphil> the feature for your module
2020-02-01 03:26 <Plugh> djphil: I made a start on a web page search but didn't get very far with it.
2020-02-01 03:27 <djphil> ha ok
2020-02-01 03:27 <AliciaRaven> i think if OS grid had a hg search service, other grids would use it, but any other attempt will go unnoticed or untrusted
2020-02-01 03:28 <jsync2> See: you just need the indexing plugin, & to supply a url with pages for that indexed info; & then a config file so that others can include your grid in their search list if THEY want to list you.
2020-02-01 03:31 <AliciaRaven> ah so each grid queries a list of grids they want to include rather than a central search service, i hadnt thought of that 
2020-02-01 03:31 <jsync2> Each Grid that used the HG Search module would have a domain called world.that-grid-name.com, for an example. On the admin side, each Grid Owner could include other Grids within their HG Search features if they wanted to.
2020-02-01 03:39 <jsync2> The HG Search Module would ONLY populate content out of their own grid in their world.that-grid-name.com site. There would be a necessity to index content specific to the grid in the HG Search module.
2020-02-01 03:41 <jsync2> Of course, a company like openmetaverse would want to host their collected list of grid-specific HG Search sites in their own world.openmetaverse.com site, being the way that they are, with attempt at absolute inclusion.
2020-02-01 03:43 <jsync2> If I programmed the HG Search module, I would not allow openmetaverse to use the software that way really, not at all.
2020-02-01 03:45 <jsync2> Each Grid owner would need to rely on the other grid hosting their world.that-grid-name.com site, & the web search would just query the different listed sites.
2020-02-01 03:48 <jsync2> Essentially, the web search in the viewer is like an exclusive search engine. It searches particular hosted urls for content. Supplying world.your-grid-name.com with pages actually is different.
2020-02-01 03:56 <jsync2> Make the viewer web search specifically configured for HG Search, according to either, preferences of the user, or supplied of the Grid admin inside a config file that supplies the viewer with that info.
2020-02-01 03:58 <AliciaRaven> trying to get any viewer side support is imposible, unless they do it for SL
2020-02-01 03:58 <jsync2> A viewer that queried a central search site specific to the grid & inclusive all the search sites of the grid-specific listed Grids could supply the viewer with what it needed, though that's viewer-side.
2020-02-01 03:59 <jsync2> AliciaRaven, I realize that's what's most needed. That's why I've focused upon viewer features for the past 3 years.
2020-02-01 04:00 <jsync2> I want to make a modulated viewer based upon Firestorm 4.7.7
2020-02-01 04:02 <jsync2> Essentially, I'm working on stripping out all the features: i.e. Modes, Skins, etc., & making a make-module feature out of the binaries. Then customizing the viewer becomes easy for the different Grid communities.
2020-02-01 04:09 <jsync2> i.e. If a particular Grid owner wants to make Grid-specific functions, they can make a community module for the viewer to support those Grid functions.
2020-02-01 04:23 <Tampa> I wrote a proposal for handling metaverse data as a viewer cap along with the ability for them to share data decentralized. This however requires viewer support which is hard to get outside of perhaps Dayturn. Frankly that search module is a really bad idea because of the external service dependency and the only alternative approach using the robust as search proxy will just end up messier than estates code. Not to mention the code standard of this 
2020-02-01 04:23 <Tampa> module is a bit meh, but that is expected.
2020-02-01 04:24 <Tampa> I also find this is the least concern at the moment, there are other areas that need attention currently.
2020-02-01 04:25 <Tampa> If you really wanted to search other grids, there is the OpenGridList project so you have grid info data to send queries to manually, remember it is all just xml so writing a page to search all known grids for stuff wouldn't be hard to do
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2020-02-01 05:03 <D24K01Nux> djphil, do you have a working link for diva search tool?
2020-02-01 05:03 <D24K01Nux> I noticed you mentioned it, though the download link doesn't work.
2020-02-01 07:55 <djphil> D24K01Nux http://digigrids.no-ip.org/divasearch.zip
2020-02-01 08:19 <D24K01Nux> djphil, I got Error 404.
2020-02-01 08:19 <djphil> refresh
2020-02-01 08:21 <D24K01Nux> Weird. Alright, it worked that time.
2020-02-01 08:21 <D24K01Nux> Thanks.
2020-02-01 08:21 <djphil> yw
2020-02-01 08:22 <djphil> nothing weired, this no-ip url is my home server
2020-02-01 08:24 <D24K01Nux> Alrighty. Well, thanks.
2020-02-01 08:26 <djphil> I looked quickly on the internet if I found the original sources but I could not find ... alirs I gave mine
2020-02-01 08:26 <djphil> so*
2020-02-01 08:33 <D24K01Nux> djphil, you should make that a formal plugin (is that a "plugin"?). I'm gonna need to look at the code in order to figure about how to configure this.
2020-02-01 08:34 <D24K01Nux> It's cool though. I like the idea of having a websearch.
2020-02-01 08:36 <D24K01Nux> At a glance, I'm lost about where to put these files. Do I put them in my opensim "plugins" folder, or do I make a "world.my-grid.com" url & put them in there?
2020-02-01 08:36 <D24K01Nux> & I guess I fill out the config.ini file somehow or other. I like the simplicity of this though.
2020-02-01 08:38 <djphil> files php go to php web server
2020-02-01 08:38 <D24K01Nux> There's not a "register.py" script included, like the config file suggests.
2020-02-01 08:38 <djphil> this is only php ... you need the additionnal dll for opensim/bin
2020-02-01 08:38 <djphil> the register.py url is only a exemple
2020-02-01 08:39 <djphil> remember ... diva provide a hg search service
2020-02-01 08:39 <djphil> This url is for this service
2020-02-01 08:39 <D24K01Nux> i.e. That's all you have of what she developed. Right?
2020-02-01 08:40 <djphil> you can remplace http://127.0.0.1/register.php;http://metaverseink.com/cgi-bin/register.py by <YOUR URL> eg: http://127.0.0.1/divasearsh/register.php
2020-02-01 08:41 <D24K01Nux> Where do I put that config file?
2020-02-01 08:42 <djphil> I have nothing else of that ... one part is the old one from flyman, the other from diva and I simply converted this old thing mysql and mysqli. Nothing more
2020-02-01 08:42 <djphil> The config file is a exemple
2020-02-01 08:42 <djphil> copy past that into opensim.ini => section [DataSnapshot]
2020-02-01 08:43 <D24K01Nux> Aha.
2020-02-01 08:43 <D24K01Nux> Alright.
2020-02-01 08:43 <djphil> okay :)
2020-02-01 08:44 <djphil> and of course you need the search database etc ...
2020-02-01 08:44 <djphil> https://github.com/kcozens/OpenSimSearch/
2020-02-01 08:45 <djphil> (this url is for dll and sql files)
2020-02-01 08:46 <djphil> read a little here too http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OpenSimSearch
2020-02-01 08:54 <D24K01Nux> The wiki info should be updated: "Use the command below to get the repo": There shouldn't be the "/OpenSimSearch.git" part in that.
2020-02-01 08:55 <djphil> Yes this page seems a little abandoned
2020-02-01 09:15 <jsync2> What's the next development release of opensim, & what are the release goals?
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2020-02-01 13:28 <osmantis> Bug #8654:04 [HGFRIENDS MODULE]: Unnecessary fetch of friends for NPCs on root and child regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8654 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-02-01 13:29 <osmantis> Bug #8654:04 [HGFRIENDS MODULE]: Unnecessary fetch of friends for NPCs on root and child regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8654 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-02-01 15:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #6658 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-01 15:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6658: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6658/
2020-02-01 15:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8654: exclude NPCs from some Friends ops
2020-02-01 19:39 <osmantis> Bug #8654:04 [HGFRIENDS MODULE]: Unnecessary fetch of friends for NPCs on root and child regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8654 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-02-01 22:51 <jsync2> Anybody acquainted with TCL & Tk?
2020-02-01 22:53 <jsync2> I've spent the past few days studying the languages & I am impressed with the potentials. It seems that they could be utilized to ease implementations of features with the viewer & platform softwares.
2020-02-01 23:16 <Ubit> thats terrible
2020-02-01 23:17 <Ubit> some irc bots used that..  yeack
2020-02-01 23:18 <danbanner_> eggdrop
2020-02-01 23:18 <Ubit> yeap
2020-02-01 23:18 <Ubit> you also have a _ today :)
2020-02-01 23:22 <Aramis^> I see their libraries included with program installs a lot more frequently, used to be mainly linux progs now common on windows
2020-02-01 23:57 <jsync2> It's a powerful scripting language.
2020-02-02 10:22 <Tampa> So is bash, why re-invent the wheel, native C is fastest anyways says Linus himself
2020-02-02 11:32 <cslcm> every language has its own unique advantages.. C#, for example, excels at helping you write spaghetti :P
2020-02-02 12:33 <jsync2> I was thinking that there should be a viewer-specific scripting language, partly because various functions could happen in the viewer-side, & a shortcut to that would be utilization of an already established scripting language.
2020-02-02 12:38 <jsync2> If I made a controller plugin for a text-based viewer, for a little follow friend, & I wanted particular events to happen upon particular time intervals, I could program that in a /scripts/routines/event.tcl script sort of easily.
2020-02-02 12:40 <jsync2> I could even program my own avatar to walk to the restroom if I didn't cancel the routine in 60 seconds upon the invited event, not actually, & my avatar would walk to the bathroom while I took a 2 minute break.
2020-02-02 12:42 <jsync2> etc. I just thought a lot of neat things could happen utilizing something like that.
2020-02-02 13:11 <Ubit> one viewer does use lua, i think possible others
2020-02-02 13:14 <jsync2> Ubit, I'm working on a modulated OpenStorm viewer. It's gonna be stripped down to use modules & plugins, for custom community viewer features. The design intent actually is to make viewer customization easy for the Grid owners.
2020-02-02 13:15 <jsync2> So, the Tcl & Tk features would be put into an optional module anyway.
2020-02-02 13:22 <jsync2> In the SnowStorm & FireStorm viewers, the Viewer Mode is subordinate to the Viewer Skin. That's not good organization, not at all. In OpenStorm, a Skin can be compiled into a Plugin file via make-plugin. A module that has Grid-Specific lsl functions can be compiled into a Module via make-module.
2020-02-02 13:25 <jsync2> Extra Control_(buttons) could be programmed into a module in OpenSim, & the corresponding viewer features for those Grid-Specific lsl features could be compiled into a Viewer Module.
2020-02-02 13:27 <jsync2> The days of $300/month for a game platform that has a joystick & single button for custom Control_(button) scripting features really are gone out the Windows.
2020-02-02 13:29 <jsync2> Bad viewer programming ruined viewer customization & held the OpenSim community back terribly. Customizing the viewer software should be as common as the College of Scripting Music Science group in SL.
2020-02-02 13:32 <jsync2> If the interested people had reference materials & the resources of friends willing to help, then the community would flourish.
2020-02-02 13:34 <jsync2> It's something for others to think about as well. I'll make a git repo when I get the project finally organized.
2020-02-02 13:39 <jsync2> Amidst the daily grind, I had no references guides to read through; I had to find my own reference material for working with this software that I've spent years occasionally weeding through & trying to figure out: it's been a nightmare. I'm enthusiastic about accomplishing the task so that others won't need to, not actually. I want a stable source viewer code that nobody needs to touch, not at all, while they can still customize t
2020-02-02 13:42 <jsync2> Essentially, the finished product could be like a skeleton that glues a bunch of modules & plugins together.
2020-02-02 14:18 <misterblue> @jsync2: as another viewer interested developer, do you have any docs or sources I could read about your architecture/project?
2020-02-02 15:12 <cslcm> I'm also interested, though i'd be more in favour of something more widely used like lua
2020-02-02 16:00 <Ubit> think cool VL uses lua ??
2020-02-02 16:04 <ChristophBalhaus> i found this: https://github.com/N3X15/Luna-Viewer ... abandoned long ago, but based on Singularity and maybe a starting point
2020-02-02 16:20 <Ubit> yeack box on sundays overload
2020-02-02 16:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #6659 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-02 16:27 <Ubit> should had told to do /t:clean and runprebuild :p
2020-02-02 16:33 <Ubit> and remove damm addin-db-002
2020-02-02 17:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6659: SUCCESS in 57 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6659/
2020-02-02 17:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: removed outdated suport for simianGrid. Simian was a web/php alternative to Robust (https://code.google.com/archive/p/openmetaverse)
2020-02-02 17:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #6660 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-02 17:21 <Tampa> That removal is going to annoy someone I just know it lol
2020-02-02 17:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6660: SUCCESS in 4 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6660/
2020-02-02 17:23 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove also caps with method DELETE; NOTE: to update existent regions with last commit you need to clean the solution, run prebuild, and delete folder bin/addin-db-002
2020-02-02 17:23 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  remove folder addin-db-002 on runprebuild
2020-02-02 17:24 <Ubit> i did send a email asking about this long ago
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2020-02-02 17:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  remove a few more references to simianGrid
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2020-02-02 20:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: clear sell data when selling a object copy
2020-02-02 22:41 <jsync2> cslcm, that's the cool thing about modulating everything. If you want a module to use Lua, then compile & use a Lua module au lieu the Tcl/Tk module.
2020-02-02 22:43 <jsync2> Same OpenStorm viewer though, so it's realistic for the OpenSim community as a whole for use, & more realistic a project to spend time working on & submitting code for.
2020-02-02 22:45 <jsync2> & with variant viewer Mode modules, if you want the Firestorm look, then use that Module, though if you want something that looks like the perspective of the Terminator, then make a Cyborg Mode module for the same viewer.
2020-02-02 22:51 <jsync2> misterblue, I'm still working through the viewer source code. I'm annotating the project & its' organization. There will be annotation notes before & after the project is reorganized. Somebody might want the "before" notes, just to make simple adjustments to established code, which is where I still am. Really, I'm playing catchup with the work of a team of sloppy (though talented) coders that spent years on a project & did various
2020-02-02 22:52 <jsync2> I'm basing OpenStorm upon Snowstorm 4.0.1 & FireStorm 4.7.7.
2020-02-02 22:56 <jsync2> My consensus actually is, Firestorm 4.7.7 is the most stable & bug free Firestorm release of editions 4.x, or 5.x series releases. Grab the repo & compile & use it for a while & you'll see what I mean.
2020-02-02 23:02 <jsync2> I usually compile my little modifications out of the Firestorm viewer code. I have a HellStorm viewer base that's FireStorm masked with the HellStorm logo & name. My alterations often are glitchy, & it's mostly because of the bad organization of SnowStorm code.
2020-02-02 23:04 <jsync2> The OpenSim community needs it all put into modules & plugins, which is quite a lot of work.
2020-02-02 23:27 <jsync2> Essentially, I started with FireStorm 4.7.7 Source, & SnowStorm 4.0.1 Source, within a file folder. I added a "HellStorm 4.7.7" file folder within the same directory, created /HellStorm/docs/ & made a file titled "PROJECT GOALS", & then made a sub directory "/HellStorm/docs/Annotations/", & started working on code. Annotations actually is filled with notes about how the viewer files are organized & what I need to actually do to ge
2020-02-02 23:31 <jsync2> The first thing I formally added (which I'm still working on to make more efficient) was the ability to select & enable Modules & Plugins within HellStorm, via a tab in Avatar > Preferences. The Modules & Plugins still use config files though, for setting specific config data.
2020-02-02 23:33 <AliciaRaven> mixing three viewer codes together sounds like a recipe for spaghetti and confusion
2020-02-03 00:08 <jsync2> misterblue, if somebody wanted to host a public site for documentation about the Viewer project, then I'd offer what documentation I have.
2020-02-03 00:10 <jsync2> AliciaRaven, I'm "parsing" 2 viewers, not mixing 3, not actually. The viewer Modules will have a formal Feature Nomenclature that will be utilized for all Viewer Module releases. i.e. World Map: Snow; Grid Manager: Fire; etc.
2020-02-03 00:47 <BillBlight> @jsync2 , hope you are not naming it OpenStorm as I already have a project named that
2020-02-03 01:05 <jsync2> BillBlight, I guess you wanted something different & specific. I'll name mine "HellStorm". (🤬)
2020-02-03 01:06 <jsync2> BillBlight, where's your project published?
2020-02-03 01:06 <BillBlight> https://bitbucket.org/BillBlight/openstorm-lgpl/src/default/
2020-02-03 01:15 <jsync2> I'll make my release titled "NomStorm", with a simple "Viewer-Title" plugin to set the name to what the particular Community wants.
2020-02-03 01:16 <jsync2> (I think I have the better, & more considerate, projects goals anyway. Oh well.)
2020-02-03 02:05 <Ubit> updated http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsVolumeDetect to make clear that on child prims it is lost on changing physics or link/unlink
2020-02-03 02:06 <djphil> Can you detect the rim number of a link set when it is collided?
2020-02-03 02:06 <djphil> prim*
2020-02-03 02:07 <djphil> If that's it then it's cool!
2020-02-03 02:09 <djphil> I refer to mantis 8547
2020-02-03 02:09 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8547
2020-02-03 02:10 <Ubit> oh that again..
2020-02-03 02:10 <Ubit> :p
2020-02-03 02:10 <djphil> Well, yeah
2020-02-03 02:10 <Ubit> link number of the colliding prim?
2020-02-03 02:11 <djphil> yes,see the exemple scipt
2020-02-03 02:12 <Ubit> not even sure that will work as expected all the time
2020-02-03 02:12 <Ubit> for some reason ll does not do that also
2020-02-03 02:13 <djphil> Currently it works like SL, it only detects the root. This improvement benefits from detecting each prim.
2020-02-03 02:13 <Ubit> think i do have code that would do set it commented out :)
2020-02-03 02:14 <djphil> Yes you notice say this already some time ago
2020-02-03 02:15 <Ubit> ahh
2020-02-03 02:15 <Ubit> thats because by spec, detection is per SOG not part
2020-02-03 02:15 <Ubit> well we do set the part name
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2020-02-03 13:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #6663 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-03 13:27 <djphil> Hehe, i will test soon as possible, tyvm :)
2020-02-03 13:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6663: SUCCESS in 5 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6663/
2020-02-03 13:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8547: allow volume detectors to tell detector prim link number. Note that this is not as spec, also that the name llDetectedLinkNumber should actually be llDetectorLinkNumber since it refers to the detector not detected object
2020-02-03 13:38 <Ubit> updated http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsVolumeDetect
2020-02-03 13:39 <Ubit> could not see why not tell the number
2020-02-03 13:39 <Ubit> guess sl does not either by bug, or because their detectors are done in a way that is not avaiable
2020-02-03 13:47 <djphil> However, this seems like an evidence to be able to also detect the prim in this way
2020-02-03 13:48 <djphil> And this will reduce the number of lsl scripts to obtain the same result.
2020-02-03 13:57 <Ubit> one day need to improve the detector on child prims
2020-02-03 13:57 <Ubit> for now it is a bit of a hack still
2020-02-03 13:57 <Ubit> ( so does not persist.. is lost on physics change etc
2020-02-03 13:58 <Ubit> i thing is is also a usefull thing
2020-02-03 13:58 <Ubit> ill not lose my pools water anymore
2020-02-03 13:58 <djphil> Yes i read this
2020-02-03 13:58 <Ubit> well that is if i had a pool
2020-02-03 13:59 <Ubit> yeack don't turn vdtcs physical
2020-02-03 13:59 <Ubit> they go underground FAST
2020-02-03 13:59 <Ubit> lol
2020-02-03 14:00 <djphil> what is "vdtcs"?
2020-02-03 14:00 <Ubit> the things we are talking about
2020-02-03 14:00 <djphil> lol
2020-02-03 14:01 <Ubit> was setting tmp, misclicked poff there it goes :)
2020-02-03 14:03 <djphil> Again the guilty cat
2020-02-03 15:20 <jsync2> Did Firestorm have IRC capabilities in chat at a particular point?
2020-02-03 15:24 <djphil> Yes a long time ago
2020-02-04 02:17 <jsync2> djphil, are you aware of what release of Firestorm that was, & if it's still available in the repo?
2020-02-04 03:02 <djphil> jsync2: No I do not know. I asked this a while ago on the firestorm irc channel because I saw that the irc tab was gone. After a few days of waiting, someone finally replied that it had been removed
2020-02-04 04:52 <djphil> Hello Ubit, I just updated my simulator here and I tested your modification of volume detection on link set. He works wonderfully well. Thank you very much again for this new feature. Super improvement :)
2020-02-04 09:19 <jsync2> BillBlight, I have all of the viewer files that suggest "Firestorm" actually isolated. I've noticed that various of these I don't need to change to change the viewer name, not actually. This really has been somewhat of a progress inhibitor for me. Various of the changes in my viewer code I've implemented were easy features to isolate & edit, though there are 300+ files that suggest "firestorm". I'm curious if you made notes of you
2020-02-04 10:27 <jsync2> Then I noticed "fs_resources", & an Ansariel note about centralizing the viewer name in a file. I think that I would not need to change half of these files just to change the name though, not actually. There are various, like llappviewer.cpp that links to "settings_firestorm.xml", & I didn't make that file, not actually, so I wouldn't rename that to "NomStorm", not actually.
2020-02-04 10:33 <jsync2> It's sort of similar how, I wouldn't put my name in place of the original programmers' names in License Info sections of the program documents, not actually.
2020-02-04 10:35 <jsync2> There aren't that many files to actually edit to just change the viewer name, not at all, is my strong suspicion. Perhaps you have a few words about this, BillBlight.
2020-02-04 10:41 <jsync2> I'm just thinking, if I were able to narrow down the number of files that were necessary to actually edit just to change the viewer name, with these other edits of features I've made, I might release my viewer code with a "How to Start Customizing the Viewer" folder within the docs file, to help the greater OpenSim community leaders get a few things accomplished.
2020-02-04 10:47 <jsync2> There are tens of THOUSANDS of files within that viewer code. I'm sure you haven't looked through all of them, not actually. There are various things within that code that have been wrong for years, though the Firestorm codes keep pushing the code forward. Isolating & editing features really isn't that difficult though, not actually, & with more people with interest involved with working on the code, the OpenSim Community would be
2020-02-04 10:48 <jsync2> 85,000 files: That's daunting, even for an experienced coder.
2020-02-04 11:07 <jsync2> (Note: Singularity only has 49 files that have "singularity" in them. Kokua has 121 files that have "kokua" in them. While I think that the couple of those projects were abandoned, of public context, I actually think that Kokua was the more recent, as well reflecting more files with "firestorm" in them.)
2020-02-04 11:16 <jsync2> I was mistaken about the specific number of files. Firestorm has 26,000 files, while Singularity has 14,000 files, & Kokua has 11,000 files. Of the 3 Viewers, I have not been able to compile, nor run, Kokua, not at all.
2020-02-04 18:28 <Ubit> been a a grid that move to 0.9.1.1  and is testing ubode
2020-02-04 18:29 <Ubit> but with bullet meshmerizer. I said that is wrong, that said im wrong
2020-02-04 18:29 <Ubit> bahh
2020-02-04 18:35 <Ubit> (they said.. )
2020-02-04 20:44 <Plugh> I added Scenegate viewer to the list of viewers page.
2020-02-04 20:45 <Ubit> ty
2020-02-04 21:19 <Ubit> hmm where?
2020-02-04 21:21 <Ubit> ok found
2020-02-04 21:26 <Ubit> replaced the link to sl viewers page to that one, on main page
2020-02-04 21:27 <Ubit> also changed that text a bit
2020-02-04 21:33 <Plugh> Time for a break. bbl.
2020-02-04 22:29 <Ubit> added http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Compatible_Viewers#Compatibility_issues
2020-02-04 22:29 <Ubit> well changed http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Compatible_Viewers
2020-02-05 05:28 <jsync2> Note: Started IRC Channel #opensim-viewer
2020-02-05 08:09 <jsync2> The problem with those other Viewer teams actually is that they want what they want for THEIR Viewer project. I've decided to simply parse Viewer features to Viewer Mode logins. Whether based upon Firestorm, Singularity, Kokua, or SnowStorm itself, the mainstream Viewers actually have similar file systems & what the OpenSim Community needs actually are their own Viewers (plural). So, my personal endeavor is to parse each of the Vi
2020-02-05 16:28 <jsync2> Does anybody have MetaBolt source code?
2020-02-05 16:37 <misterblue> I have an old copy of IdealistViewer and thee is Radegast (for non-LL based viewers)
2020-02-05 16:47 <Plugh> jsync2: A quick search turned up this page -> https://bitbucket.org/METAbolt/metabolt.bitbucket.org/src/default/
2020-02-05 16:48 <Plugh> It includes a link to the latest source.
2020-02-05 16:48 <jsync2> 404
2020-02-05 16:49 <jsync2> Wait. I misspelled it.
2020-02-05 16:49 <jsync2> 😁
2020-02-05 16:51 <jsync2> Thanks, Plugh. The link I found in OpenSim wiki didn't work, not actually. It's cited in "Compatible Viewers".
2020-02-05 16:51 <Plugh> oh. I was updating that page yesterday. 
2020-02-05 16:52 <jsync2> I saw that.
2020-02-05 16:53 <Plugh> :)  I just tested the link in the compatible viewers page and it is linked to the same page I mentioned.
2020-02-05 17:04 <jsync2> Hm. Didn't for me last night, not actually. :-/
2020-02-05 18:15 <Plugh> jsync2: Someone must have known you were going to need the information and updated it. :)
2020-02-05 18:16 <jsync2> What info?
2020-02-05 18:17 <jsync2> Oh. The METAbolt. Maybe it was something weird, like I needed to refresh my page.
2020-02-05 18:18 <jsync2> Hey, does anybody have the old Phoenix 1.5.2 source codes? That's when Phoenix had functional IRC chat in their Viewer.
2020-02-05 18:32 <Plugh> There is a git repo for it. You would just need to check out the appropriate branch.
2020-02-05 18:54 <jsync2> I only found the firestorm Mercurial download, & the tags only go back to 4.0
2020-02-05 19:18 <Plugh> This repo doesn't have what you need? -> https://phoenix.apache.org/source.html
2020-02-05 19:20 <jsync2> Phoenix Apache? That's not the viewer, not actually, is it?
2020-02-05 19:21 <jsync2> I found a git repo citation for OsiriView, based upon Phoenix v1, though it was an empty repo site. 😕
2020-02-05 19:22 <jsync2> & I really wanted to find the files for their irc features. :-(
2020-02-05 19:40 <osmantis> Bug #8547:04 [COLLISIONS IMPROVEMENT REQUEST] Make llDetectedLinkNumber working when llVolumeDetect is set to TRUE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8547 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-05 19:45 <osmantis> Bug #8547:04 [COLLISIONS IMPROVEMENT REQUEST] Make llDetectedLinkNumber working when llVolumeDetect is set to TRUE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8547 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-06 03:26 <jsync2> BillBlight, you're welcome to join the channel #opensim-viewer. It's not project-specific, not actually. You might occasionally have helpful insights & you'd be considered "welcomed". 🙂
2020-02-06 03:28 <jsync2> Anybody else interested in working on the viewer software would be welcome as well.
2020-02-06 06:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #6664 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-06 06:15 <osmantis> Bug #8651:04 Notecard embedded item invalidated when user inventory deleted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8651 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-06 06:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6664: SUCCESS in 4 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6664/
2020-02-06 06:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8651: try to fix items embedded in notecards. This may need more work
2020-02-06 06:41 <jsync2> I have a question.
2020-02-06 06:43 <jsync2> Is there a Grid God Names configuration for OpenSim, for LL_LINDEN, LL_MOLE, LL_SCOUT, & LL_TESTER names?
2020-02-06 06:44 <jsync2> As well, LL_PRODUCTENGINE.
2020-02-06 08:54 <osmantis> Bug #8651:04 Notecard embedded item invalidated when user inventory deleted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8651 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-06 11:12 <osmantis> Bug #8651:04 Notecard embedded item invalidated when user inventory deleted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8651 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-06 12:48 <osmantis> Bug #8651:04 Notecard embedded item invalidated when user inventory deleted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8651 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-06 12:50 <osmantis> Bug #8651:04 Notecard embedded item invalidated when user inventory deleted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8651 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-06 14:53 <Tampa> Ubit does the change require robust update?
2020-02-06 14:53 <Ubit> no
2020-02-06 14:53 <Tampa> Okay I'll build a binary and test again
2020-02-06 14:54 <Tampa> Really think it should be kept somewhat local, maybe just dereference the folder but not delete the inventory item, direct asset reference seems dangerous
2020-02-06 14:54 <Ubit> but is supposed to be direct asset reference
2020-02-06 14:54 <Ubit> we had it all wrong
2020-02-06 14:55 <Tampa> Is that just a uuid reference of assetserver.url/uuid ? Would that not make it HG capable?
2020-02-06 14:56 <Ubit> ( and part of reason why its a HG fail, but was already )
2020-02-06 14:56 <Ubit> viewers cook that.. no HG information
2020-02-06 14:56 <Ubit> just a plain uuid
2020-02-06 14:56 <Ubit> well not that plain.. details
2020-02-06 14:57 <Ubit>  and that is open on the final grid.. so.. FAIL
2020-02-06 15:06 <osmantis> Bug #8651:04 Notecard embedded item invalidated when user inventory deleted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8651 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-06 15:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #6665 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-06 15:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6665: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6665/
2020-02-06 15:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8651: change embedded decode a bit
2020-02-06 15:53 <Tampa> Should I test again?
2020-02-06 15:53 <Ubit> im good on adding bugs :)
2020-02-06 15:53 <Ubit> but im adding more.. wait
2020-02-06 16:13 <jsync2> I made a "toolbuy.cur" file that says "O$". 😁
2020-02-06 16:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #6666 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-06 16:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6666: SUCCESS in 4 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6666/
2020-02-06 16:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8651: clean code a bit
2020-02-06 18:04 <Tampa> As of late my dynamic textures don't bake fully especially when they are run on a timer every minute or so, they stay translucent and I have to reset the script, just rebake via touch start doesn't seem to work
2020-02-06 18:05 <Tampa> Not sure if that is related to libgdiplus being bad and not yet fixed, but I rolled that back
2020-02-06 18:05 <Ubit> can't tell
2020-02-06 18:05 <Tampa> No new version in sight with mono either, maybe we really should bundle our own?
2020-02-06 18:05 <Ubit> try older libgdi, if you can :(
2020-02-06 18:05 <Tampa> I know I have
2020-02-06 18:05 <Ubit> we can't bundle our own
2020-02-06 18:05 <Ubit> 2 complex
2020-02-06 18:06 <Tampa> isn't it just a .so or dll or whatever?
2020-02-06 18:06 <Ubit> no
2020-02-06 18:06 <Ubit> depends on more things
2020-02-06 18:06 <Tampa> darn
2020-02-06 18:07 <Ubit> seems ms made a total crap bc core
2020-02-06 18:07 <Ubit> code did not had any bitmap things
2020-02-06 18:07 <Ubit> on 3.0 they did add it, but new crap code
2020-02-06 18:08 <Ubit> since the normal one does use windows or linux lower level things
2020-02-06 18:08 <Ubit> that jit issue is still there also
2020-02-06 18:15 <jsync2> How is it OpenSim & Second Life have the same uuid for moon image?
2020-02-06 18:17 <jsync2> Is it good that moon image is stored in opensim dataserver, or would something else potentially be better?
2020-02-06 18:19 <jsync2> Moon image uuid is within indra/llcommon/indra_constants.cpp within Viewer software. I want a crescent moon sometimes: lunar phases.
2020-02-06 18:21 <jsync2> I as well want rain & snow & fire & brimstone. Dan said that's viewer side.
2020-02-06 18:23 <jsync2> I'm sort of curious why they're hiding the moon texture. That seems counter-productive.
2020-02-06 18:28 <jsync2> I've got icon packs in each of these skins subfolders. It's seriously weird that the Grid has the sun & moon & cloud images.
2020-02-06 18:41 <jsync2> I found the moon!! opensim/bin/assets/TexturesAssetSet/: "M O O N. That spells moon."
2020-02-06 19:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #6667 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-06 19:16 <jsync2> Is a Tree.j2c file some sort of sculpt map? If the server stores those images, what does the provided image get applied to?
2020-02-06 19:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6667: FAILURE in 3 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6667/
2020-02-06 19:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8651: try to improve notecards HG sharing ( not tested)
2020-02-06 19:20 <Ubit> of course it failed
2020-02-06 19:23 <Ubit> that test crap is not a notecard
2020-02-06 19:23 <Ubit> bahh
2020-02-06 19:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #6668 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6666 3 hr 15 min ago)
2020-02-06 19:33 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-02-06 19:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6668: FIXED in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6668/
2020-02-06 19:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: TestNotecardAsset() does not even create a valid notecard. Disable it for now
2020-02-06 22:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #6669 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-02-06 22:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6669: SUCCESS in 4 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6669/
2020-02-06 22:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops, some fixes
2020-02-06 22:48 <osmantis> Bug #8651:04 Notecard embedded item invalidated when user inventory deleted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8651 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-06 22:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #6670 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-06 22:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6670: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6670/
2020-02-06 22:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change string terminator check
2020-02-06 22:59 <osmantis> Bug #8651:04 Notecard embedded item invalidated when user inventory deleted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8651 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-07 04:07 <jsync> Anybody aware of how Linden trees actually are built? Are they sculpts?
2020-02-07 04:09 <jsync> Is linden grass a complex linkset of sculpts, or is it a type of mesh?
2020-02-07 04:11 <jsync> Are the jp2 files multi-layer images with sculpt maps & textures?
2020-02-07 04:13 <AliciaRaven> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG_2000
2020-02-07 04:17 <AliciaRaven> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprite_(computer_graphics)#Use_in_3D_rendering
2020-02-07 04:21 <jsync> Grass actually is "sprites"?
2020-02-07 04:23 <jsync> The viewer uses "billboard" settings for the trees as well. Are trees "sprites"?
2020-02-07 04:23 <jsync> (I thought they were sculpts.)
2020-02-07 04:23 <AliciaRaven> some are, others have a basic mesh trunk
2020-02-07 04:24 <AliciaRaven> dont think anyone uses them these days, they look so bad
2020-02-07 04:24 <jsync> Yeah.
2020-02-07 04:24 <jsync> I like the concept of trees that grow though.
2020-02-07 04:26 <jsync> AliciaRaven, have you looked into how the stars get strewn across the sky? I just started looking into the codes. It's seems somewhat complex.
2020-02-07 04:26 <AliciaRaven> no i havnt
2020-02-07 04:28 <jsync> I think it's viewer side, as far as what people see. The Grid Server just supplies the star & moon & sun images & tells the viewer where estate locations of sun & moon are.
2020-02-07 04:41 <jsync> AliciaRaven, have you looked into linux programs like "Celestia"? It's a 3d model of the Galaxy. I guess that the Viewer of SL design builds a sky-dome & draws Sprite stars at a distance. It seems that there might be a means of implementing aspects of Celestia-like modeling to the Grid Server software though.
2020-02-07 04:44 <AliciaRaven> no, i know of the sloan sky survey, but using realistic data is often overkill
2020-02-07 04:48 <jsync> I think, if a Virtual Distance were established beyond the traveling scope of an avatar within a region, then a Realistic Celestia-like effect could be applied to the Grid model, & the Region actually would have a particular place within that Grid Model.
2020-02-07 05:01 <jsync> The Celestia Grid Model would be it's own service that required it's own server that connected to the Robust. (Coders could alter the actual layout of the Grid Model. ((I made a Greek Pagan, "Shock Label", edition of the Celestia program.)) ) The Region servers then could be assigned a place holder within that Grid model.
2020-02-07 05:05 <jsync> For the Viewer to render the imagery of the Grid Model would be similar rendering Sun & Moon of the Agni model.
2020-02-07 05:13 <jsync> The Celestia Grid Model would just be a Dataserver Service. The Grid would still be a flat, 2d plane, though the place holders of the different regions could be separate parts of the Galaxy & would render realistic night sky perspectives of those separate places.
2020-02-07 05:28 <jsync> The Firestorm 4.7.7 Viewer has sufficiently good graphics. I really don't want better graphics in my lifespan, not at all. I don't even like mesh, not at all. I want more data.
2020-02-07 05:34 <jsync> A Space Region in the OpenSim Grid that had a Celestia Grid Model would make that Region seem like it existed in a 3d Galaxy, though the limits of scope of that Region still would exist in the 2d Agni-like scope of OpenSim Grid Regions, with the Celestia Grid Model telling the Viewer what info to render at a distance at XYZ Vectors.
2020-02-07 05:40 <jsync> The Region Place Holder info would be info that represented a place within a 3d Galaxy though. There would be the 2d Grid Map Region Placeholder (8000, 8000, for an example), & the 3d Region Placeholder (info specific to tell the Celestia Grid Model Service what perspective of info you need to fetch for that Region).
2020-02-07 06:04 <jsync> Ubit, SL has various different Region Server build editions. I guess they're different designs for performance, based upon traffic & script load & how those Regions affect the Grid Server data services. So, have the OpenSim core devs considered that? What about a Region Server utilized for border regions, simply supplying terrain, for an example?
2020-02-07 06:06 <jsync> I would like to try & program a C & C++ Region Server just for supplying border region terrain.
2020-02-07 08:39 <Tampa> jsync if you want to code stuff, there are plenty of issues and feature requests on the mantis you could write patches for rather than trying to re-invent the wheel
2020-02-07 08:48 <PunyaUK> Is there a place that you can edit/change the default script that is produced when you press the "New script" Button?
2020-02-07 08:57 <jsync> Tampa, I haven't programmed in C# before, not actually.
2020-02-07 08:58 <jsync> I'm sort of curious if a Region Server programmed in C & C++ could connect to the Robust Services.
2020-02-07 09:00 <jsync> I would like to make 1, I think. Or I'm back to working on Viewer software. (I'm gonna work on the Viewer anyway.)
2020-02-07 09:02 <jsync> I'm starting to look into C# programming guides. .NET Core will allow C# programs to actually be compiled to run native as standalone programs for Linux & Mac.
2020-02-07 09:15 <jsync> I'm not much the Grid hopper, not actually, though I'm a long-time enthusiast of the OpenSim Community & project. I would like to help in various ways. I think that the community needs Viewer support desperately. I'll learn a few things about C# & when I've figured out enough to make customizations in my own Grid project, I'll help core dev as much that I have time for: 100%. (I wuv u all. 😎)
2020-02-07 09:16 <Tampa> There was a project a while back recoding the region in cpp but I have not heard much of it since then
2020-02-07 09:17 <Tampa> I get C is not Cpp, but honestly opensim code is also not the most standardized as is so its a different ballgame anyways, just saying before re-inventing the wheel maybe try and get the working one rolling smoothly
2020-02-07 09:20 <jsync> Yeah. I need to read a couple of C# guides first. I downloaded a few tonight. I really do like the idea of different rated Servers for different usage though. C & C++ is often somewhat taxing on the coder, though it's potentially really efficient code with regards demands on processes.
2020-02-07 09:22 <Tampa> OpenSim is built as modular as possible, if you want to provide an alternative module for something you can easily do so, see script and physics engines
2020-02-07 09:22 <Tampa> Thing is beyond tweaking some variables in config or code there really is not much adjusting needed to make it suit the vast majority of usecases
2020-02-07 09:23 <Tampa> And before trying to do that seeing some of the long standing feature requests and missing implementations resolved is probably the bigger target to hit
2020-02-07 09:26 <jsync> I would need a month or two to grasp some of the C# programming concepts. People suggest that C# is similar C & C++.
2020-02-07 09:29 <Tampa> It isn't but they are closer than say brainfuck and html
2020-02-07 09:31 <jsync> 😁 Gee, Wally. I think they're suspicious of my Haskell package.
2020-02-07 09:33 <Tampa> I google my way through bash, php, C# and js most days so...
2020-02-07 09:41 <jsync> I picked up bash real quick.
2020-02-07 09:42 <jsync> I made a series of bash scripts that started my region servers. You can't make an interface with bash though, not actually.
2020-02-07 09:43 <jsync> I wanted a command line interface to start & stop region servers. The project became merely academic & put to the back burner. I'd need to use a totally different language for that, for sure.
2020-02-07 09:45 <jsync> It's sort of cool though. It gives me dialog prompt screens & a series of menu screens & asks me what region I want to start. It's simple.
2020-02-07 09:46 <jsync> I could start the regions, though I couldn't attach to an already open terminal, not actually. I could if I wrote it in C++.
2020-02-07 09:50 <jsync> If to write something for the community, I might write that. All my Grid servers are within my house, & to connect with ssh & use screen seems sufficient for most people. I thought to wait till I figured out something to make Regions dynamically hosted. Then a program to start & stop regions, etc., would be useful.
2020-02-07 09:59 <osmantis> Bug #8651:04 Notecard embedded item invalidated when user inventory deleted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8651 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-07 09:59 <jsync> I think, if to write a formal OpenSim specific module for the community, I would start with a custom Grid Calendar. I would need to release a compatible Viewer first for that though, so that's what I am working on.
2020-02-07 10:00 <jsync> Tampa, are there any feature requests that would require Viewer mods as well? If so, I would probably be suited to help with those things, for sure.
2020-02-07 10:04 <Tampa> Perhaps you could fix the terrain shader thingy, terrain can be at -100 elevation in OpenSim, but most viewers shader screws up below 0 so anything that far down becomes invisible or too murky to see
2020-02-07 10:04 <Tampa> I also have feature requests that you could practice module writing for
2020-02-07 11:36 <PunyaUK> Is there a place that you can edit/change the default script that is produced when you press the "New script" Button?
2020-02-07 11:52 <jsync> PunyaUK, I'm totally sure that you could compile the OpenSim release you're using to get the default script that you want. A "Templates" folder that allowed you to simply drop a script into your OpenSim Library folder would be cool though.
2020-02-07 11:54 <PunyaUK> I noticed on Kielty grid that their default script is different so figured there must be a way, but not sure where the default one comes from.  My default script would be so much better having line llSetText("", ZERO_VECTOR, 0) in it!
2020-02-07 11:54 <PunyaUK> Would be good if it's just stored as text somewhere 
2020-02-07 11:55 <PunyaUK> I guess I could try a grep on the bin folder!
2020-02-07 12:03 <jsync> It's coded actually. I'm surprised. I would think that they would make it a NewScript.lsl item compiled into the release.
2020-02-07 12:04 <jsync> It's within opensim/OpenSim/Region/Framework/Scenes/Scene.Inventory.cs
2020-02-07 12:07 <Tampa> Ideally I suppose would be an asset id shipped in the opensim library
2020-02-07 12:08 <PunyaUK> I'm sure I can't be the only one that would like a more useful default script!  One that clears float text & texture animations would save so much time!
2020-02-07 12:13 <jsync> PunyaUK, I just updated mine for the next time I compile. 🙂
2020-02-07 12:15 <PunyaUK> I've been avoiding the 'compile it yourself' route but perhaps it's time for me to give it a go!
2020-02-07 12:15 <PunyaUK> Let me know if it works for you...
2020-02-07 12:27 <Tampa> Tempted to write a patch to actually use a init_script.lsl if available
2020-02-07 12:27 <Tampa> I suppose a script that already contains something that tells the user which physics and script engine is in use would make sense
2020-02-07 12:30 <jsync> Tampa, somebody should consider a guide in the wiki for compiling with .NET Core.
2020-02-07 12:30 <osmantis> Bug #8651:04 Notecard embedded item invalidated when user inventory deleted 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8651 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-07 12:31 <Tampa> You can compile in mono just fine, it works on windows because the compile is basically the same
2020-02-07 12:31 <Tampa> mono is now owned by MS
2020-02-07 12:31 <PunyaUK> (I'm a linux kind of person!)
2020-02-07 12:33 <jsync> Yeah. If I compile with .NET Core though, then the compiled software doesn't require me to rely on mono, not at all. I can just ./opensim, because .NET Core will give me a linux shell script.
2020-02-07 12:34 <jsync> How did MS Purchase GNU Software?
2020-02-07 12:36 <Tampa> mono is developed by xamarin ms bought them
2020-02-07 12:36 <jsync> Or GPL Software? MS can't purchase GPL, not at all.
2020-02-07 12:36 <Tampa> they also bought github
2020-02-07 12:37 <jsync> No way!! They published that gpl though.
2020-02-07 12:39 <jsync> See: I'm right to not trust Windoze, not at all. They're a terrible scam. I was truly always concerned about this sort of thing. I despise big corps like Winblows & SecondChance.
2020-02-07 12:40 <Tampa> They cannot change the license of mono due to the contributors being all over the place so that's not happening
2020-02-07 12:40 <Tampa> Github might change some policies, they are already much more after killing projects that reverse engineer things
2020-02-07 12:40 <Tampa> Though well there is self-hosted gitlab so you can always just go there
2020-02-07 12:41 <Tampa> I auto build opensim core version via jenkins and stuff it on my mirror for folks to use
2020-02-07 12:41 <Tampa> I build everything under latest mono via jenkins and so far everything seems to be working just fine, there are not that many mono specific things in the code, okay maybe 20 or so I have found
2020-02-07 12:42 <Tampa> Ubit may know more about that though
2020-02-07 12:46 <jsync> It's the few sellouts that want slightly more than I have that ruin it for the population. It turns Society into a contest wherein the shitty people have more. It's really irritating.
2020-02-07 15:23 <jsync> Uhhh, "EEP" in SL this year.
2020-02-07 15:27 <jsync> Personally, I would fork with regards "Project Goals" & do the Celestia Grid Map Service to keep "in touch" with advances in development.
2020-02-07 15:28 <jsync> The total while, try & retro-engineer the viewer release to 'fill in the gaps' as time permits.
2020-02-07 15:29 <jsync> Something that worthily contends, you guys, & something that works on older systems.
2020-02-07 16:58 <jsync> I think that the OpenSim Community could do better if it forked its' project goals. SecondLife wants to sell Regions that cost $300/month, & inventory. SL Residents want more, like it's some sort of mystery as to why they want more. I think that the OpenSim Community could do a lot better for itself. OpenSim comprises of various artists, not marketing agents, not at all. OpenSim could be improved upon in its' own various ways, & st
2020-02-07 20:21 <Ubit> ohh well when day lose net, other lose power
2020-02-07 22:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #6671 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-07 22:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6671: SUCCESS in 5 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6671/
2020-02-07 22:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  yeack, better not break other notecards HG; improve TestNotecardAsset()
2020-02-07 22:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: cosmetics
2020-02-08 00:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #6672 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-08 00:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6672: SUCCESS in 4 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6672/
2020-02-08 00:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reduce some spam on log
2020-02-08 01:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #6673 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-08 01:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6673: SUCCESS in 4 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6673/
2020-02-08 01:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reduce some more spam on log
2020-02-08 05:23 <jsync> Things to think about perhaps. The Dayturn Viewer is an exclusive OpenSim Viewer, & friendly about getting that Viewer Linux compatible, with help. Various other Viewers still support the OpenSim Community, to date, while that seems reasonably contingent upon the OpenSim Platform keeping par with SL. Viewer Development Support seems most vital to the OpenSim Community, & in thus, a better project goal that forks aspects of establis
2020-02-08 05:26 <jsync> i.e.: Something that contends with SLs project & formally announced "EEP" features, which will supposedly give SL Residents Weather features. Feel at liberty to join #opensim-viewer, for Viewer development support & discussion.
2020-02-08 06:06 <osmantis> Bug #8655:04 Par Environmental Enhancement Project 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8655 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-02-08 11:21 <djphil> ping Ubit
2020-02-08 11:23 <djphil> It seems you have mixed up the pages in the wiki a bit about the new sit features (get / set stand target / active range, get / set stand link target / active link range
2020-02-08 11:23 <djphil> for exemple: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsGetLinkSitActiveRange
2020-02-08 11:23 <djphil> This page is for OsGetLinkSitActiveRange but definition is for osGetSitActiveRange(integer linkNumber)
2020-02-08 11:24 <djphil> I have prepared the sample scripts. I will be happy to place them when you have corrected.
2020-02-08 11:47 <osmantis> Bug #8656:04 osDetectedCountry and osGetAgentCountry return empty response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8656 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-02-08 11:59 <osmantis> Bug #8656:04 osDetectedCountry and osGetAgentCountry return empty response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8656 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-08 12:04 <osmantis> Bug #8656:04 osDetectedCountry and osGetAgentCountry return empty response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8656 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-02-08 12:07 <osmantis> Bug #8656:04 osDetectedCountry and osGetAgentCountry return empty response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8656 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-08 12:29 <osmantis> Bug #8656:04 osDetectedCountry and osGetAgentCountry return empty response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8656 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-02-08 12:30 <osmantis> Bug #8656:04 osDetectedCountry and osGetAgentCountry return empty response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8656 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-08 12:32 <osmantis> Bug #8656:04 osDetectedCountry and osGetAgentCountry return empty response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8656 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-02-08 12:32 <djphil> Grrrrr
2020-02-08 12:34 <Tampa> I don't actually know the field that is in
2020-02-08 12:34 <Ubit> btw fixed the getlinkset...
2020-02-08 12:34 <Ubit> ok wiki
2020-02-08 12:35 <djphil> ok i will add exemples then now, ty Ubit :)
2020-02-08 12:36 <djphil> you have verified all 8 ?
2020-02-08 12:36 <Ubit> you only mentioned that one :p
2020-02-08 12:36 <osmantis> Bug #8656:04 osDetectedCountry and osGetAgentCountry return empty response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8656 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-02-08 12:36 <djphil> Mmmm other requeire your attention Ubit :p
2020-02-08 12:37 <djphil> some are wrong
2020-02-08 12:37 <Ubit> yeack
2020-02-08 12:37 <djphil> pouek!
2020-02-08 12:38 <Ubit> don't see
2020-02-08 12:38 <Ubit> and look to  osGetAgentCountry wiki at end
2020-02-08 12:39 <djphil> here (http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsGetLinkSitActiveRange) i see "returns the sit active range of the selected prim, see osSetSitActiveRange"
2020-02-08 12:39 <djphil> and must be "returns the sit active range of the selected prim, see osSetLinkSitActiveRange
2020-02-08 12:40 <djphil> right ? :p
2020-02-08 12:40 <Ubit> no
2020-02-08 12:40 <djphil> ha :o
2020-02-08 12:40 <djphil> osGetLinkSitActiveRange do not return value for OsSetLinkSitActiveRange ?
2020-02-08 12:41 <Ubit> *link* are just derivative of no link ones
2020-02-08 12:42 <djphil> yes i agree with that
2020-02-08 12:42 <djphil> but osGetLinkSitActiveRange don't return valu from osSetSitActiveRange, it return value from osSetLinkSitActiveRange no ?
2020-02-08 12:43 <djphil> he do that on my exemple script ...
2020-02-08 12:43 <Ubit> oops
2020-02-08 12:43 <djphil> haaaaa
2020-02-08 12:43 <djphil> Tilt! :)
2020-02-08 12:44 <djphil> same for http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsGetLinkStandTarget
2020-02-08 12:45 <djphil> for database i see only one phrase ... "The country information must be added to grid database using external user admin tools"
2020-02-08 12:45 <djphil> It’s skinny ^^
2020-02-08 12:49 <djphil> update #8656
2020-02-08 12:52 <Tampa> Making a new default script, can't seem to properly escape \n
2020-02-08 13:00 <Ubit> well usercountry is actually a pain
2020-02-08 13:00 <Ubit> bc the way it is stored
2020-02-08 13:00 <djphil> yes it seems to me, actually
2020-02-08 13:02 <Ubit> string.Join(" ", parts.ToArray());
2020-02-08 13:02 <Ubit> gezzz ppl love stupt join
2020-02-08 13:02 <djphil> For Xampp for example if you want to use the pay functions, you must add a database in xampp. Then PHP is able to operate the country functions correctly.
2020-02-08 13:03 <Ubit> never did learn about stringbuild it seems
2020-02-08 13:03 <Ubit> well guess that was added later when ms found how crap string is
2020-02-08 13:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #6674 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-08 13:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6674: SUCCESS in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6674/
2020-02-08 13:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a typo on useraccount store
2020-02-08 13:14 <djphil> on my UserAccounts database i can see UserLevel, UserFlags, UserTitle only ... no "UserCountry" available.
2020-02-08 13:14 <djphil> Either my database is not up to date, or there has not yet been an update to this database
2020-02-08 13:21 <osmantis> Bug #8656:04 osDetectedCountry and osGetAgentCountry return empty response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8656 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-02-08 14:10 <osmantis> Bug #8656:04 osDetectedCountry and osGetAgentCountry return empty response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8656 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-08 14:18 <Tampa>  \\n doesn't seem to work either
2020-02-08 14:18 <Tampa> Don't tell me it's \\\n
2020-02-08 14:21 <osmantis> Bug #8656:04 osDetectedCountry and osGetAgentCountry return empty response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8656 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-02-08 14:33 <osmantis> Bug #8656:04 osDetectedCountry and osGetAgentCountry return empty response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8656 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-08 14:38 <osmantis> Bug #8656:04 osDetectedCountry and osGetAgentCountry return empty response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8656 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-08 14:38 <Tampa> djphil sorry but I have to set that clear :)
2020-02-08 14:44 <osmantis> Bug #8656:04 osDetectedCountry and osGetAgentCountry return empty response 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8656 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-02-08 14:45 <osmantis> Bug #8657:04 New default script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8657 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-02-08 14:45 <osmantis> Bug #8657:04 New default script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8657 ): has a PATCH requiring feedback
2020-02-08 14:51 <osmantis> Bug #8657:04 New default script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-08 14:51 <Ubit> gezz
2020-02-08 14:55 <osmantis> Bug #8657:04 New default script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-08 14:56 <Tampa> Oh heaven forbid someone tries to help, Ubit, don't be a dick
2020-02-08 14:56 <Ubit> really ??
2020-02-08 14:56 <Tampa> I can slim that down somewhat to just physics and script engines
2020-02-08 14:57 <Ubit> all that is USELESS on 99% of scripts
2020-02-08 14:57 <Tampa> The reason I included performance info so folks now when creating scripts they may be sitting on a region already overloaded
2020-02-08 14:57 <Ubit> NO
2020-02-08 14:57 <Ubit> default script IS THE VERY BASIC ONE
2020-02-08 14:57 <Ubit> we even took the touch out of it
2020-02-08 14:58 <Ubit> we do not want crap all over the dbs
2020-02-08 14:58 <danbanner> ive always delted the default info on new scripts anyway i dont see the point of adding a bunch more crap to delete
2020-02-08 14:59 <Tampa> The point is to give the user the info what environment they are about to write a script
2020-02-08 14:59 <danbanner> theres script repositories for that info
2020-02-08 14:59 <Ubit> you have a brain, try to use it before calling someone a dic
2020-02-08 15:00 <Tampa> Fine then delete the issue
2020-02-08 15:24 <osmantis> Bug #8657:04 New default script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-08 15:26 <Ubit> a better idea is to replace the things we have on opensim library sripts
2020-02-08 15:26 <Ubit> with some usefull ones, like that
2020-02-08 15:26 <osmantis> Bug #8657:04 New default script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-08 15:27 <osmantis> Bug #8657:04 New default script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8657 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-02-08 15:29 <osmantis> Bug #8657:04 New default script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-08 15:30 <PunyaUK> Just throw in here that it was me that asked yesterday about if there was a way to change the default script - my reason was I found the default one useless and if it just had  llSetText("", ZERO_VECTOR,0)  i would make my life a few clicks less a lot of the time!  I agree that a huge script about status etc is not what is needed!
2020-02-08 15:30 <Ubit> NO :p
2020-02-08 15:31 <Tampa> I rewrote the thing to pull the script from bin location first, but that never wanted to work right
2020-02-08 15:31 <Ubit> i do miss the touch even.. but even that is not needed
2020-02-08 15:32 <Ubit> ( sl default has a touch event )
2020-02-08 15:32 <Ai_Austin> Certainly not PunyaUK… every script added to a multiscript object would then blank out the text. Nothing active like that should be the default. Leave it as is, short and no state change.
2020-02-08 15:32 <Ubit> damm forgot what i was changing on notecards.. bad boys :p
2020-02-08 15:33 <Ubit> remember.. all that is a new crap on your dbs
2020-02-08 15:33 <PunyaUK> I thought if it as a simple text file then it would be easy but as I see its hard coded then it is a bit of a faff.  It's almost not having anything in it really as if someone doesn't know how to start it off then they probably won't get very far coding anyway ;-)
2020-02-08 15:34 <Ubit> as i said, the opensim library should have some usefull scripts
2020-02-08 15:34 <Ubit> ( some that are there are just useless )
2020-02-08 15:35 <Tampa> db unless you run fsassets or similar with better deduplication which should really be default, saving asset glob in db is icky
2020-02-08 15:38 <PunyaUK> It's just I seem to type the settext often but I'm sure there must be a way to get a keystroke macro linked into firestorm!
2020-02-08 15:47 <Ubit> i feel the same about touch
2020-02-08 16:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #6675 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-08 16:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6675: FAILURE in 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6675/
2020-02-08 16:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: scritps can not read notecards with embedded items
2020-02-08 16:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #6676 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6674 3 hr 22 min ago)
2020-02-08 16:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6676: STILL FAILING in 1 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6676/
2020-02-08 16:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file and remove dead code
2020-02-08 16:29 <Ubit> what did i miss now grr
2020-02-08 16:30 <djphil> maybee a division by zero ^^
2020-02-08 16:30 <Ubit> yeack
2020-02-08 16:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #6677 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #6674 3 hr 25 min ago)
2020-02-08 16:35 <Ubit> our npcs notecards could possible be more complex and also unreadable by scripts
2020-02-08 16:35 <Ubit> but changes on that is killing sending them to older versions
2020-02-08 16:35 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-02-08 16:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6677: FIXED in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6677/
2020-02-08 16:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missed another file
2020-02-08 17:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #6678 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-02-08 17:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6678: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6678/
2020-02-08 17:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ignore some assets on gather
2020-02-08 18:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #6679 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-08 18:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6679: SUCCESS in 4 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6679/
2020-02-08 18:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change uuids on scripts gather
2020-02-08 19:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #6680 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-08 19:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6680: SUCCESS in 4 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6680/
2020-02-08 19:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change a log message
2020-02-08 22:29 <osmantis> Bug #8658:04 Land permission 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8658 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-02-08 22:42 <osmantis> Bug #8658:04 Land permission 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8658 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2020-02-09 15:45 <osmantis> Bug #8658:04 Land permission 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8658 ): has been CLOSED
2020-02-09 16:56 <osmantis> Bug #8282:04 Settings PRIM_NORMAL, PRIM_SPECULAR, PRIM_ALPHA_MODE, not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8282 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-09 18:15 <osmantis> Bug #8282:04 Settings PRIM_NORMAL, PRIM_SPECULAR, PRIM_ALPHA_MODE, not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8282 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-09 18:58 <osmantis> Bug #8282:04 Settings PRIM_NORMAL, PRIM_SPECULAR, PRIM_ALPHA_MODE, not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8282 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-09 19:14 <Ubit> slsl??
2020-02-09 19:14 <Ubit> uff
2020-02-09 19:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #6681 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-09 19:18 <osmantis> Bug #8282:04 Settings PRIM_NORMAL, PRIM_SPECULAR, PRIM_ALPHA_MODE, not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8282 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-09 19:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6681: SUCCESS in 4 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6681/
2020-02-09 19:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix handling of materials maps clear and total removal with SLSL
2020-02-09 19:23 <osmantis> Bug #8282:04 Settings PRIM_NORMAL, PRIM_SPECULAR, PRIM_ALPHA_MODE, not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8282 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-09 19:42 <osmantis> Bug #8282:04 Settings PRIM_NORMAL, PRIM_SPECULAR, PRIM_ALPHA_MODE, not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8282 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-02-10 02:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #6682 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-10 02:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6682: SUCCESS in 4 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6682/
2020-02-10 02:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops
2020-02-10 20:05 <jsync> You spend weeks looking at thousands of viewer code files, & that's not enough. Then you get to compiling, & you realize that you need an ubuntu machine that has a fresh install of an older edition of ubuntu, & you can finally install the library files you need, though that's not enough. Still won't compile. You do a search for the error & you find out that Firestorm based their viewer development upon additional developers tools t
2020-02-10 20:07 <jsync> Oh yeah, guess where the "special developers tools" came from: Linden Labs. You wonder why I want to get all of these things in my own hands & documented for the OpenSim community, once & for all.
2020-02-10 20:10 <jsync> I'm gonna get this firestorm viewer compiling thing comprehensively figured out, troubleshooted, & documented for peeps to work on things. I've got a friend whom was on the firestorm dev team for a while & is really helpful. Then I'll document & publish for you all.
2020-02-10 20:12 <jsync> When that part's finished, I'll start writing tutorials for changing things & implementing new features, for example tutorials.
2020-02-10 20:13 <jsync> Somebody gave me wiki site hosting for the tutorial pages, & I as well greatly appreciate it.
2020-02-10 20:33 <Plugh> It took me a while to get all the dependencies before I was able to compile a viewer. 
2020-02-10 21:38 <jsync> Plugh, they don't have all the libraries & dependencies documented about it, not actually. I think they want you to go into SL & give them a sense of whom you are. :P
2020-02-10 21:41 <jsync> Plugh, do you use Linux?
2020-02-10 22:46 <osmantis> Bug #8657:04 New default script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-11 17:10 <osmantis> Bug #8657:04 New default script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-11 18:35 <osmantis> Bug #8657:04 New default script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-11 19:00 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid.
2020-02-12 04:34 <jsync> Is anybody aware of any compatibility problems with the new Debian version of mysql, the MariaDB? The new MariaDB insists that I login with sudo privileges, & regions won't shutdown & close terminal processes appropriately, not actually. Region quit hangs up at "exiting"?
2020-02-12 05:11 <Plugh> Regions hanging on shutdown was something that happened in older versions of OpenSim. It was fixed a while ago. Which version of OS and MariaDB are you using?
2020-02-12 05:14 <jsync> The problem is the MariaDB. It requires sudo to use, & thus, the server software can't write to the database, not at all.
2020-02-12 05:15 <jsync> Can you believe that they released it to require sudo?! I mean, that's worthless!!
2020-02-12 05:16 <Plugh> That doesn't sound right. Are you sure the file perms are set correctly?
2020-02-12 05:27 <jsync> What file perms? I have to sudo mysql -u root -p, or I get "Access Denied".
2020-02-12 05:28 <Plugh> Perhaps it is requiring root perms so it can run as root because the permissions on the database files are not correct.
2020-02-12 05:28 <jsync> Can you believe that? Look on the forums for Debian & Ubuntu, because they're telling people to sudo into mysql.
2020-02-12 05:29 <jsync> It doesn't work without sudo. They set it up like that, & it makes their mysql worthless out of the box.
2020-02-12 05:29 <Plugh> That would be wrong unless someone seriously screwed up something about the program. I've never had to run the mysql command line interface for MySQL or MariaDB via sudo.
2020-02-12 05:30 <Plugh> What version of MariaDB do you have?
2020-02-12 05:31 <Plugh> The version I have installed on a server is 5.5.64.
2020-02-12 06:17 <jsync> Plugh, I'm not sure what version it is, not actually, though my opensim region servers still hang up at quit with "Shutdown processing on main thread complete. Exiting...", & it just hangs there.
2020-02-12 06:18 <jsync> Ctrl C doesn't kill it. Nada. Just hangs there.
2020-02-12 06:25 <jsync> The Robust is the same as the region servers. It just hangs up at "Exiting..." I hate new Debian releases. It takes so long to setup a new work environment.
2020-02-12 06:26 <jsync> I should check file properties on my servers. What should the file properties be?
2020-02-12 06:38 <jsync> I gave it read & write to all, & it still hangs up at "Quitting...". 😕
2020-02-12 06:46 <jsync> This actually is a big problem. I think it's the database. Only the root user needed sudo to login, & I fixed that, though I think it's database permissions or something.
2020-02-12 07:13 <jsync> The mysql log says, "Got an error reading communication packets."
2020-02-12 08:36 <osmantis> Bug #8010:04 BulletSim does not always call collision events on collisions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8010 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-12 08:39 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-12 08:57 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-12 12:36 <Tampa> I will kinda miss XEngine, its constant complaining about typecasting hehe
2020-02-12 13:23 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-12 19:08 <Tampa> Setting an object to group owned aka Deed to group breaks sending of inventory items to users, am I taking crazy pills or is that a bug
2020-02-12 19:22 <osmantis> Bug #8659:04 "save oar" reports "references that may be to missing or damaged assets or not a problem" even if key literal is in comments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8659 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-02-12 19:33 <Tampa> Just tried Y, same thing, can group-owned objects not give inventory?
2020-02-12 23:19 <osmantis> Bug #8659:04 "save oar" reports "references that may be to missing or damaged assets or not a problem" even if key literal is in comments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8659 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-13 00:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #6683 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-13 00:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6683: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6683/
2020-02-13 00:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: notecards text len is in bytes not chars
2020-02-13 05:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #6684 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-13 05:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6684: SUCCESS in 4 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6684/
2020-02-13 05:04 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix a group owned permission
2020-02-13 05:04 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix llGiveInventory notification on a group owned prim
2020-02-13 05:04 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: improve TaskInventoryAccepted (that is also decline)
2020-02-13 05:04 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: make a message more readable
2020-02-13 05:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #6685 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-13 05:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6685: SUCCESS in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6685/
2020-02-13 05:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix llGiveInventoryList notification on a group owned prim also
2020-02-13 17:10 <osmantis> Bug #8010:04 BulletSim does not always call collision events on collisions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8010 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-13 20:14 <jsync> Bug Report: OpenSim 0.8.1 cannot create table regions with MariaDB. Database citation "ROW_FORMAT=FIXED" is not compatible with MariaDB & throws error at table migration attempt, or at fresh initialization of opensim-0.8.1 server instance creation.
2020-02-13 20:16 <jsync> Further tests may show incompatibilities of Robust database table `regions`.
2020-02-13 20:17 <Ubit> yes its 2020 not 2015
2020-02-13 20:17 <jsync> Removal of line entry "ROW_FORMAT=FIXED" seems to correct lack of comparability with database table `regions`.
2020-02-13 20:19 <jsync> "compatibility"** (My tablet ain't as smart as me when it comes to word usage. 😉)
2020-02-13 20:45 <jsync> MariaDB incompatibilities: Upon import of `regions` table: Login Failed. Unable to retrieve user inventory. Diagnoses: MariaDB syntax not compatible with InnoDB & Previous editions of MySQL, not actually.
2020-02-13 20:51 <jsync> Upon successful login to Test Grid with new Grid instance using MariaDB, table `os_groups_membership` does not exist. Diagnoses: MariaDB incompatibility with MySQL standard syntax usage.
2020-02-13 20:53 <Tampa> I just looked MariaDB 10.0, 10.1 and 10.3 should be compatible, don't see how they would not be as they are basically drop in replacement
2020-02-13 20:53 <Tampa> If you setup groups the table should be created too
2020-02-13 21:30 <AliciaRaven> why report a bug in an old version when the latest version has no issue
2020-02-13 21:47 <osmantis> Bug #8010:04 BulletSim does not always call collision events on collisions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8010 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-02-13 21:54 <jsync> AliciaRaven, I'm doing an upgrade test.
2020-02-13 21:55 <jsync> Before, with mysql-server in Debian, there wasn't slightest problem with accepting install & invitation of opensim, not at all. The fault is with MariaDB.
2020-02-13 21:56 <jsync> (I hate that my tablet tries to tell me what to say.)
2020-02-13 21:56 <jsync> Incitation**
2020-02-13 21:57 <AliciaRaven> k, i havnt tested maria, i just stick to mysql and i know i should try it at some point
2020-02-13 21:59 <jsync> Pfft. You're missing a lot of "fail".
2020-02-13 22:02 <jsync> Redundant Note: When starting opensim-0.8.1 with Debian Stretch or previous edition of debian that used mysql-server package, there was no "missing table" reports about the databases, not at all.
2020-02-13 22:03 <AliciaRaven> yea, mysql tried and tested, maria new talk of the town maybe, sounds like its got performance advantages but needs more testing, or maybe opensim is susceptible to idiosyncrasies of a new system
2020-02-13 22:04 <AliciaRaven> id rather stay with mysql, scared of the new unless its tested to shit
2020-02-13 22:05 <jsync> Note as well: Login with Firestorm 4.7.9 & coincidental missing `os_groups_membership` table, amongst potential other missing tables, & there's as well the missing lower toolbar dock in Firestorm. Weird.
2020-02-13 22:09 <jsync> I read a 65 page C# Guide book this morning.
2020-02-13 22:12 <jsync> Note: Table `os_groups_principals` does not exist either.
2020-02-13 22:39 <AliciaRaven> sqlite and pgsql use different code, i dont know but i thought maria uses same as mysql, maybe there are differences 
2020-02-13 23:07 <osmantis> Bug #8642:04 Viewers using default Linden Lab Bakes on Mesh (BoM) code are causing continuous repeated avatar bake cycles on servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8642 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-14 00:41 <jsync> Anybody aware of what MariaDB does5like about tables `os_groups_membership` & `os_groups_principals`?
2020-02-14 00:43 <jsync> CHARSET=latin1?? Should be CHARSET=utf8;?
2020-02-14 00:54 <jsync> There are a bunch of tables missing at fresh start of opensim-0.8.1 using MariaDB. Probably half of the required tables actually are missing.
2020-02-14 00:59 <AliciaRaven> most users will use mysql and it sounds like maria is like pgsql and needs seperate code in os, so support will be limited
2020-02-14 01:00 <jsync> All of the `os_groups_<tables>` were missing.  All of the `estate_<tables> were missing.  All of the `region<tables>` were missing, & `spawn_points` was missing, so at import they're not working correctly with MariaDB, not actually, or else they would be created per specification upon new grid incitation. Each database table should be checked for compatibility of syntax.
2020-02-14 01:01 <AliciaRaven> either ur config is wrong or maria needs special code, use mysql as thats what most people use so its well tested and supported
2020-02-14 01:01 <jsync> Setting CHARSET=utf8; allowed import to MariaDB.
2020-02-14 01:03 <jsync> Most opensim people are promoting MariaDB, curiously enough. They're raving about XAMPP features, according to Google search results.
2020-02-14 01:04 <AliciaRaven> yea they are the theory says group, what is cutting edge, people that run stable long tern grids will use mysql
2020-02-14 01:04 <AliciaRaven> pgsql is also taked about as being "more efficient" but opensim code is unreliable because not enough people are testing and reporting back
2020-02-14 01:05 <AliciaRaven> u want stable and well supported, use mysql
2020-02-14 01:05 <AliciaRaven> and anyone using mysql lite is an idiot
2020-02-14 01:06 <AliciaRaven> or just testing small short term regions
2020-02-14 01:06 <jsync> Yeah, I would, theoretically. You can't change code for Marias' dumbass, not at all.
2020-02-14 01:10 <jsync> I'm gonna try & fix it just for my server to try & use Marias' dumbassDB, though I'm not happy with Debian, hot stuff, not at all. She's not nice to me, not actually.
2020-02-14 01:11 <jsync> 😁
2020-02-14 01:12 <AliciaRaven> i only know ubuntu and its always been nice to me, well windows at home and ubuntu on servers
2020-02-14 01:13 <jsync> Well, Ubuntu adopted Marias' DumbassDB as well.
2020-02-14 01:14 <AliciaRaven> only if u choose to install it over mysql
2020-02-14 01:15 <jsync> I'm gonna guess that MariaDB couldn't accept all the database tables with a fresh usage of opensim-0.9.1 even, not actually. There would be missing tables.
2020-02-14 01:16 <AliciaRaven> as far as i know, it should use same code in opensim as mysql so any issues are theirs
2020-02-14 01:16 <jsync> No. Ubuntu & Debian don't offer mysql-server anymore, not at all. It's MariaDB, or TrumpBall.
2020-02-14 01:16 <AliciaRaven> but then opensim has seperate code for pgsql so maybe maria has deviated from standard mysql and as its not used widely no one here have noticed
2020-02-14 01:17 <AliciaRaven> so how do i have latest ubuntu and have installed mysql?
2020-02-14 01:17 <AliciaRaven> i only set up new server couple of months ago
2020-02-14 01:18 <jsync> You have 18.04 Ubuntu?
2020-02-14 01:18 <AliciaRaven> yep
2020-02-14 01:18 <jsync> I thought they used DumbassDB as well.
2020-02-14 01:18 <AliciaRaven> and mysql, i just used apt-get and it installed, as usual
2020-02-14 01:19 <jsync> Yeah, it was like that in Debian until Buster showed his Brown Eye.
2020-02-14 01:20 <AliciaRaven> well i have mysql for web and os use, but gitlab installed pgsql itself, but i just leave that to gitlab install to manage
2020-02-14 01:20 <AliciaRaven> "Omnibus GitLab has a bundled PostgreSQL server and PostgreSQL is the preferred database for GitLab"
2020-02-14 01:21 <AliciaRaven> but for my own use, i still install mysql
2020-02-14 01:23 <AliciaRaven> no linux distro would force a db on you, should be able to install any, to force one would be ilogical
2020-02-14 01:25 <AliciaRaven> especially as most serious web companies would consider anything other than mysql as dangerous and experimental
2020-02-14 01:25 <AliciaRaven> unless they have resources and time to test the shit out of it for their applications
2020-02-14 01:34 <AliciaRaven> sudo apt-get install mysql-server OR sudo apt install mariadb-server
2020-02-14 01:34 <AliciaRaven> thats up to YOU not os
2020-02-14 01:44 <AliciaRaven> gnight
2020-02-14 02:21 <Plugh> jsync: Why are you using 0.8.1? 0.8.2 was the last of the 0.8 releases.
2020-02-14 02:24 <Plugh> Oh. You typo'd the version number several times. Last reference you said 0.9. :)
2020-02-14 08:40 <osmantis> Bug #8660:04 On Demand Freelance Marketplace 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8660 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-02-14 09:13 <osmantis> Bug #8642:04 Viewers using default Linden Lab Bakes on Mesh (BoM) code are causing continuous repeated avatar bake cycles on servers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8642 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-14 10:36 <jsync> Note: opensim-0.9.1.1 is confirmed to work with the Mono release within the Debian Buster 10.2 release packages. Good fix, you guys. That's good work. Thanks.
2020-02-14 16:47 <osmantis> Bug #8660:04 On Demand Freelance Marketplace 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8660 ): has been CLOSED
2020-02-14 16:55 <Plugh> BillBlight: A more appropriate resolution would have been invalid or not a bug.
2020-02-14 17:38 <osmantis> Bug #8660:04 On Demand Freelance Marketplace 14(  ): has been DELETED.
2020-02-14 17:39 <Ubit> or deleted and user disabled..
2020-02-14 19:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #6686 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-14 19:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6686: SUCCESS in 5 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6686/
2020-02-14 19:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix axis rotation on sog bounding box
2020-02-14 19:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #6687 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-14 19:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6687: FAILURE in 2 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6687/
2020-02-14 19:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: several changes to (task)inventory offering
2020-02-14 20:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #6688 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6686 42 min ago)
2020-02-14 20:22 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-02-14 20:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6688: FIXED in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6688/
2020-02-14 20:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: patch a test
2020-02-17 00:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #6689 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-02-17 00:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6689: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6689/
2020-02-17 00:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add osslDefaultEnable.ini and osslEnable.ini.example. Similar use as opensimDefaults and opensim. Second files do local overrides to defautl settings. This should easy upgrades to versions that are compatible (most cases). (Dan Banner idea and request)
2020-02-17 02:49 <Plugh> Shouldn't that be osslEnableDefaults.ini?
2020-02-17 02:49 <Plugh> Hey, nebadon.
2020-02-17 03:16 <Ubit> bahh naming :)
2020-02-17 03:19 <Plugh> :)
2020-02-17 03:20 <Plugh> Just pointing that out for consistance with the other defaults file.
2020-02-17 03:20 <Ubit> yeap possible
2020-02-17 03:20 <Ubit> i just did type a name :)
2020-02-17 04:36 <nebadon> Hello, sorry didnt realize this even started up!
2020-02-17 04:36 <Ubit> :)
2020-02-17 10:37 <Ai_Austin> Just checking the .ini configs given the latest changes to osslenable and its defaults, etc...  getting an .ini file reading error. probably my typ[os as I change things, but just to be sure before I start to find the issue.. is the new file working okay in its default state? 
2020-02-17 10:37 <Ai_Austin> 2020-02-17 10:23:58,694 INFO  [CONFIG]: Reading configuration file D:\VW\OSGrid-SQLite-RuthAndRoth\bin\config-include\osslDefaultEnable.ini
2020-02-17 10:37 <Ai_Austin> 2020-02-17 10:23:58,710 ERROR [APPLICATION]: 
2020-02-17 10:37 <Ai_Austin> APPLICATION EXCEPTION DETECTED: System.UnhandledExceptionEventArgs
2020-02-17 10:37 <Ai_Austin> Exception: Nini.Ini.IniException: Expected assignment operator (=) - Line: 232, Position: 26.
2020-02-17 10:44 <Ai_Austin> Okay, issue is osslDefaultEnable.ini which has // instead of ; for the comment on the next to last line
2020-02-17 10:44 <Ai_Austin> Ubit, do you see this here or shall I Mantis it?
2020-02-17 10:45 <Ai_Austin> no <CR> after last line either but that may be deliberate
2020-02-17 11:36 <zadark> Small prob with commit 23aae75563 osslDefaultEnable.ini line 232 // do no remove this line .. (must be semi colon.)
2020-02-17 11:37 <Ai_Austin> I e-mailed Ubit on that as he may not be seeing this zadark
2020-02-17 11:38 <Ai_Austin> not worth a mantis
2020-02-17 11:38 <zadark> agree, thanks for the info AI
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2020-02-17 14:50 <Ubit> oops
2020-02-17 14:51 <danbanner> 
ACTION spanks ubit

2020-02-17 14:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #6690 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-17 14:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6690: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6690/
2020-02-17 14:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: yeack ... // is not a ini file comment
2020-02-17 17:24 <jsync> Is there a flag for typing animation? It seems like somebody said there were a few missing anim flags in earlier opensim releases.
2020-02-17 17:29 <jsync> & I'm curious about NPC Threat Level. Should that be commented out & have an "= High;"?, for an example?
2020-02-17 17:45 <jsync> As well, Entity Transfer Module throws errors at each teleport. Seems weird for a new error.
2020-02-17 17:50 <Tampa> There are some flags not implemented throughout the whole codebase, but that is either by design or because the way OpenSim works they make no sense or cannot work
2020-02-17 17:50 <Tampa> Can't name you examples though
2020-02-17 17:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #6691 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-17 17:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6691: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6691/
2020-02-17 17:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: stop some log spam on shutdown that happens on linux
2020-02-17 21:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #6692 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-17 21:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6692: FAILURE in 3 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6692/
2020-02-17 21:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mysql region store: do not use double to store float
2020-02-17 22:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #6693 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6691 4 hr 10 min ago)
2020-02-17 22:09 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-02-17 22:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6693: FIXED in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6693/
2020-02-17 22:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a test
2020-02-18 06:26 <osmantis> Bug #8661:04 Using Singularity Viewer I find on exiting Open Sim... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8661 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2020-02-18 06:54 <osmantis> Bug #8661:04 Using Singularity Viewer I find on exiting Open Sim... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8661 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-02-18 10:40 <Ai_Austin> I may just not have notrice dthis before... but as I was checking Robust.exe and OpenSim.exe startup after updating top latest dev master with the MySQL double/float change I see a LOT of messages in Robust.exe console related to migrations, even after first startup, stop and restart. 23 instances of this line for example! Should I Mantis this?
2020-02-18 10:41 <Ai_Austin> lots of others, but the line above was repeated 23 times in one startup of Robust.exe
2020-02-18 10:50 <osmantis> Bug #8662:04 Robust.exe startup [MIGRATIONS] very many messages may indicate repeated checks 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8662 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-02-18 10:51 <osmantis> Bug #8662:04 Robust.exe startup [MIGRATIONS] very many messages may indicate repeated checks 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8662 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-02-18 10:54 <osmantis> Bug #8662:04 Robust.exe startup [MIGRATIONS] very many messages may indicate repeated checks 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8662 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-02-18 16:25 <Ubit> this migrations model is nice, but starts to pile up operations
2020-02-18 16:25 <Ubit> we may need rething this also
2020-02-18 16:25 <Ubit> and rethink
2020-02-18 16:28 <Ubit> guess by comparing the columns we want to the current ones, generating changes from that
2020-02-18 16:29 <Ubit> ( or creating the table if not there )
2020-02-18 19:03 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid.
2020-02-18 20:08 <osmantis> Bug #8663:04 missing RemoteCertificateValidationCallbac 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8663 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-02-18 20:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #6694 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-02-18 20:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6694: SUCCESS in 4 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6694/
2020-02-18 20:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8663: add CertificateValidationCallback set. Thanks Manni
2020-02-18 20:34 <osmantis> Bug #8663:04 missing RemoteCertificateValidationCallbac 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8663 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-19 09:04 <osmantis> Bug #8662:04 Robust.exe startup [MIGRATIONS] very many messages may indicate repeated checks 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8662 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-19 14:46 <osmantis> Bug #8663:04 missing RemoteCertificateValidationCallbac 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8663 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2020-02-20 08:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #6695 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-20 08:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6695: SUCCESS in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6695/
2020-02-20 08:35 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  a few changes to script engines releasecontrols
2020-02-20 08:35 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix release controls on deattach
2020-02-20 08:35 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix HandleRevokePermissions()
2020-02-20 21:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #6696 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-20 21:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6696: SUCCESS in 4 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6696/
2020-02-20 21:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
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2020-02-21 19:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #6697 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-21 19:20 <ubit> hey silly thing, there was another commit 
2020-02-21 19:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6697: SUCCESS in 5 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6697/
2020-02-21 19:24 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change part inventory adding some scripts speed up and controls release
2020-02-21 19:24 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: sog DelinkFromGroup: change order of some operations
2020-02-21 19:24 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: do release controls on some objects delete
2020-02-23 19:27 <osmantis> Bug #8664:04 while attempting running in grid mode this error occurs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8664 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-02-23 19:28 <osmantis> Bug #8664:04 while attempting running in grid mode this error occurs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8664 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-02-23 20:47 <osmantis> Bug #8664:04 while attempting running in grid mode this error occurs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8664 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-23 22:54 <osmantis> Bug #8664:04 while attempting running in grid mode this error occurs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8664 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-23 23:21 <osmantis> Bug #8664:04 while attempting running in grid mode this error occurs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8664 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-24 05:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #6698 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-24 05:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6698: SUCCESS in 5 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6698/
2020-02-24 05:43 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: give a tiny more time for deattach event to trigger
2020-02-24 05:43 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: small text format change
2020-02-24 05:43 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change pending messages for scripts listeners queue type
2020-02-24 05:43 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: try save a few ns on chat to avatars
2020-02-24 05:43 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: try save a few ns on chat to objects
2020-02-24 05:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #6699 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-24 06:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6699: SUCCESS in 4 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6699/
2020-02-24 06:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change lsl say/whisper/shout text lenght limit
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2020-02-24 14:08 <osmantis> Bug #8664:04 while attempting running in grid mode this error occurs 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8664 ): has been CLOSED
2020-02-24 18:39 <osmantis> Bug #8652:04 Compiled script and running script mismatch 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8652 ): has been CLOSED
2020-02-24 19:26 <Plugh> That sounds like an interesting bug. :)
2020-02-24 19:50 <Tampa> The hashed mac address the viewer sends, can that be un-hashed?
2020-02-24 19:51 <ubit> it would be a bad hash if so
2020-02-24 19:52 <Tampa> How is it hashed, you know?
2020-02-24 19:52 <ubit> nver looked
2020-02-24 20:01 <Plugh> What is the  upper height limit for a rezzed prim to still be visible in the grid map? Is it 100m?
2020-02-24 20:16 <jsync> I thought it was 256 m in SL. You mean, rezzing prims within the air, like a logo?
2020-02-24 20:18 <ubit> on warp3d.. configurable
2020-02-24 20:19 <ubit> rtfm :p
2020-02-24 20:19 <ubit> well we don't have one.. details..
2020-02-24 20:22 <ubit> 	; warp3D rendering height limits for prims (relative to rez position not bounding box)
2020-02-24 20:22 <ubit> 	; prims above RenderMaxHeight are excluded
2020-02-24 20:22 <ubit> 	; valid values: 100 to 4086
2020-02-24 20:22 <ubit> 	;RenderMaxHeight = 4086
2020-02-24 20:22 <ubit> 	
2020-02-24 20:22 <ubit> 	; prims below RenderMinHeight are excluded
2020-02-24 20:22 <ubit> 	; valid values: -100 to RenderMaxHeight - 10
2020-02-24 20:22 <ubit> 	;RenderMinHeight = -100
2020-02-24 20:22 <ubit>     
2020-02-24 20:24 <ubit> (this is relative new..)
2020-02-24 20:27 <Plugh> jsync: yes, that.
2020-02-24 20:31 <Plugh> It was a question that came up in Discord. I haven't gotten around to asking which version of OS is in use.
2020-02-24 20:31 <jsync> I was right? 256?
2020-02-24 20:31 <Plugh> ubit, thanks. I'll pass it along.
2020-02-24 20:31 <Plugh> I think I was right. 100m is (or was) the default.
2020-02-24 20:31 <jsync> Oh.
2020-02-24 20:32 <jsync> What's the default in SL? I thought 256 in SL, though it might be 100m there as well.
2020-02-24 20:33 <Plugh> IIRC, 100m is the limit in SL. You may be thinking about prim size limits in OS when you mention 256.
2020-02-24 20:35 <jsync> I only did that once in SL. I wanted a logo with circle around it. I had to subdivide a cylinder into 16 prims to make it look somewhat circular. It wasn't worth the prim cost for a simple map icon, not actually.
2020-02-24 20:36 <ubit> here you just replace by a fixed texture
2020-02-24 20:36 <ubit> well there -->
2020-02-24 20:36 <Plugh> I also pointed out the static maptile setting in [Map] to the person who asked.
2020-02-24 20:37 <jsync> I'm learning C#, btw.
2020-02-24 20:37 <Plugh> That only works if you have access to the ini settings for the region.
2020-02-24 20:37 <Plugh> jsync: cool. Do you know any other programming languages?
2020-02-24 20:38 <jsync> I'm as well working on compiling various different Viewers for a wiki site about Viewers for OpenSim peeps.
2020-02-24 20:38 <jsync> I can code in C & C++, & php a little.
2020-02-24 20:40 <jsync> I'm sort of novice in php I figured out. I programmed something in php that impressed me, then I started looking at other peoples' php codes & figured out I'm sort of novice.
2020-02-24 20:43 <jsync> php is a cool language though. Various people can do a lot with it.
2020-02-24 20:45 <Plugh> I know some people don't like PHP that much but I like it. I was just updating a PHP script earlier today to record some additional data.
2020-02-24 20:45 <Plugh> If you know C and C++ you will pick up the basics of C# pretty quickly. 
2020-02-24 20:45 <jsync> I figured a wiki for the Viewer software would be helpful though. Give people a series of basic customization tutorials for a number of different Viewer bases.
2020-02-24 20:46 <jsync> People say C# is like Java mostly.
2020-02-24 20:46 <Plugh> I can't say that I *know* the language but I recognize aspects of it from other things and I can reconigze patterns in the code.
2020-02-24 20:47 <Plugh> Yes it is a bit like Java and still also a bit C like so it helps in picking up the language.
2020-02-24 20:47 <jsync> I figured I would learn it well enough to make a few jira request commits when time permits.
2020-02-24 20:48 <Plugh> 
ACTION nods

2020-02-24 20:48 <Plugh> The tough part isn't C# but starting to make sense of the OS code base. 
2020-02-24 20:49 <jsync> First I wanted to fix shaders on a couple of Viewers & start a wiki about the Viewer code.
2020-02-24 20:49 <jsync> Is OS using http inventory these days?
2020-02-24 20:53 <jsync> I guess SL went to http inventory. My viewer won't show my avatar in SL because of that, though works fine in my own Grid.
2020-02-24 20:54 <jsync> It seems trivial to me. I'm not sure what the advantage is, not actually.
2020-02-25 02:38 <osmantis> Bug #8665:04 OpenSim.exe crashes at the end of shutdown 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8665 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-02-25 02:53 <osmantis> Bug #8665:04 OpenSim.exe crashes at the end of shutdown 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8665 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2020-02-25 18:17 <osmantis> Bug #8366:04 Attached scripts lose all state on first hypergrid jump 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8366 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-25 23:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #6700 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-25 23:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6700: FAILURE in 1 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6700/
2020-02-25 23:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change (not)at_(rot)target checks
2020-02-25 23:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #6701 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6699 1 day 17 hr ago)
2020-02-25 23:13 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-02-25 23:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6701: FIXED in 4 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6701/
2020-02-25 23:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file
2020-02-26 03:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #6702 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-02-26 03:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6702: SUCCESS in 4 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6702/
2020-02-26 03:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: those events are per script not per part
2020-02-26 03:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #6703 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-26 03:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6703: SUCCESS in 4 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6703/
2020-02-26 03:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: yeack, scripts can set targets, not having the events
2020-02-26 03:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #6704 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-26 03:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6704: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6704/
2020-02-26 03:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: it is a good idea to actually change the respective source file...
2020-02-26 04:51 <Ubit> ajld6419
2020-02-26 04:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #6705 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-26 04:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6705: SUCCESS in 4 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6705/
2020-02-26 04:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: index targets by scriptID
2020-02-26 05:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #6706 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-26 05:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6706: SUCCESS in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6706/
2020-02-26 05:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8665: avoid crash at shutdown, that line should not be needed
2020-02-26 05:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #6707 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-26 05:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6707: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6707/
2020-02-26 05:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Yengine script, don't dispose twice
2020-02-26 09:31 <osmantis> Bug #8665:04 OpenSim.exe crashes at the end of shutdown 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8665 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-02-26 09:31 <osmantis> Bug #8665:04 OpenSim.exe crashes at the end of shutdown 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8665 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-02-26 16:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #6708 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-26 17:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6708: SUCCESS in 5 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6708/
2020-02-26 17:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do no append zero when clipping strings ( may still happen on other places)
2020-02-26 18:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #6709 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-26 18:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6709: SUCCESS in 4 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6709/
2020-02-26 18:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: one more case
2020-02-26 18:50 <Melanie_T> Ubit: do you see any reason why that 0 byte was added there?
2020-02-26 18:50 <Ubit> lludp
2020-02-26 18:50 <Melanie_T> or was someone in a C mindset back then?
2020-02-26 18:50 <Melanie_T> AAH
2020-02-26 18:51 <Ubit> those functions where llupd aux only in past
2020-02-26 18:51 <Melanie_T> so these removed terminators are not needed for messahes that were converted to caps....
2020-02-26 18:51 <Ubit> on the listen even  made all the matchs fail
2020-02-26 19:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #6710 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-26 19:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6710: FAILURE in 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6710/
2020-02-26 19:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: more on scripts *target* events
2020-02-26 19:29 <Tampa> that... didn't work
2020-02-26 19:30 <Tampa> also omg first time my applied without requiring merging
2020-02-26 19:30 <Tampa> patch that is
2020-02-26 19:32 <Ubit> ops
2020-02-26 19:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #6711 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6709 1 hr 9 min ago)
2020-02-26 19:38 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-02-26 19:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6711: FIXED in 4 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6711/
2020-02-26 19:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file..
2020-02-26 20:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #6712 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-02-26 20:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6712: SUCCESS in 4 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6712/
2020-02-26 20:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few changes to objects permissions
2020-02-26 20:51 <Ubit> yeack need to fix targets ids..  grrr
2020-02-26 20:51 <Ubit> fun fun
2020-02-26 21:13 <Ubit> oops made confusion with listenners :)
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2020-02-27 13:01 <Tampa> Am I taking crazy pills, did we not have a osGetProfilePic at some point?
2020-02-27 13:02 <Tampa> Or something to get profile data
2020-02-27 14:50 <jsync> I noticed that there's a problem with llSetTexture not setting TEXTURE_BLANK. It's within State_Entry & upon reset it skips that line, I guess.
2020-02-27 14:51 <jsync> I'm learning C#, & I'm gonna help within the year.
2020-02-27 14:51 <jsync> It's great work thus far. I appreciate your hard work.
2020-02-27 21:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #6713 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-27 21:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6713: SUCCESS in 5 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6713/
2020-02-27 21:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: some lsl cleanup
2020-02-27 21:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #6714 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-27 21:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6714: SUCCESS in 4 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6714/
2020-02-27 21:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: LSL add a translation layer btw lsl permitions and internal permissions
2020-02-27 21:47 <Tampa> Ubit, is more planned or can I test that already?
2020-02-27 21:47 <Ubit> no idea
2020-02-27 21:47 <Ubit> depends on my mood in next minutes
2020-02-27 21:47 <Ubit> :p
2020-02-27 23:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #6715 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-27 23:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6715: SUCCESS in 4 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6715/
2020-02-27 23:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add harder restrictions to llGiveInventoryList. permissions per item as giveinventory, target avatar must see the prim region. Add 3seconds delay
2020-02-28 00:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #6716 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-28 00:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6716: SUCCESS in 4 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6716/
2020-02-28 00:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
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2020-02-28 18:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #6717 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-02-28 18:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6717: SUCCESS in 4 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6717/
2020-02-28 18:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: changes to load oar with --merge: with option --mergeReplaceObjects it will replace objects already in region, without it, skip; with opetion merge-parcels will try to merge them, without it ignores oar parcels. as before without --merge all is replaced. renamed the options force* as merge* since they are merge suboptions
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2020-03-01 01:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #6718 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-01 01:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6718: SUCCESS in 5 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6718/
2020-03-01 01:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics (and possible lots of typos)
2020-03-01 02:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #6719 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-01 02:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6719: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6719/
2020-03-01 02:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: more cosmetics (and possible more typos)
2020-03-01 02:50 <Tampa> That introduced a warning
2020-03-01 02:50 <Tampa> LLClientView.cs(366,22): warning CS0414: The field 'LLClientView.m_deliverPackets' is assigned but its value is never used
2020-03-01 03:04 <Ubit> oH left one behind?
2020-03-01 03:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #6720 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-01 03:05 <Ubit> no idea why now sculpts take ages to rez
2020-03-01 03:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6720: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6720/
2020-03-01 03:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: pesty warning
2020-03-01 03:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #6721 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-01 03:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6721: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6721/
2020-03-01 03:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid a null ref at shutdown
2020-03-01 12:50 <osmantis> Bug #8519:04 Delete unlinked objects from in world does not always persist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-01 16:05 <osmantis> Bug #8519:04 Delete unlinked objects from in world does not always persist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8519 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-01 16:16 <Ubit> yeap its sunday
2020-03-01 16:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #6722 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-01 16:27 <Tampa> It's like watching paint dry
2020-03-01 16:36 <Tampa> Well it compiled with no warnings
2020-03-01 17:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6722: FAILURE in 44 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6722/
2020-03-01 17:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change Async object delete to inventory threading model
2020-03-01 17:02 <Ubit> fun tests
2020-03-01 17:02 <Ubit> well now ive source broken on other thing :)
2020-03-01 17:51 <Ubit> hmm that is a odd fail
2020-03-01 17:54 <Ubit> ok sounds more like a timeout to mysql
2020-03-01 18:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #6723 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6721 15 hr ago)
2020-03-01 19:00 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-03-01 19:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6723: FIXED in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6723/
2020-03-01 19:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: several changes to lludp FetchInventory
2020-03-01 19:01 <Ubit> yeap the fail was mysql timeout with machine overload
2020-03-01 21:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #6724 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-03-01 21:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6724: SUCCESS in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6724/
2020-03-01 21:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: several changes to lludp FetchInventoryDescendents
2020-03-01 21:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: missing file
2020-03-01 21:55 <osmantis> Bug #8649:04 LSL scripting - llForceMouselook not working properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8649 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-01 21:57 <osmantis> Bug #8649:04 LSL scripting - llForceMouselook not working properly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8649 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-03-01 22:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #6725 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-01 22:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6725: SUCCESS in 4 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6725/
2020-03-01 22:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: pesty warning
2020-03-01 22:24 <osmantis> Bug #8666:04 Actually 0.9.2.0 + NPC tweak. Reported on different clients and platforms. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8666 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-03-01 22:26 <osmantis> Bug #8666:04 Client view  jumps  to old location for a few seconds, then back. Repeats. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8666 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-03-01 22:39 <osmantis> Bug #8667:04 Nunit tests fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8667 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-03-01 22:57 <osmantis> Bug #8667:04 Nunit tests fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8667 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-01 23:24 <osmantis> Bug #8667:04 Nunit tests fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8667 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-01 23:35 <osmantis> Bug #8366:04 Attached scripts lose all state on first hypergrid jump 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8366 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-01 23:40 <osmantis> Bug #8666:04 Client view  jumps  to old location for a few seconds, then back. Repeats. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8666 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-02 00:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #6726 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-02 00:07 <Ubit> git push
2020-03-02 00:07 <Ubit> errr ok not here :p
2020-03-02 00:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6726: SUCCESS in 4 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6726/
2020-03-02 00:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8667: remove wildcards from a very limited test of a very limited thing
2020-03-02 01:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #6727 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-02 01:07 <Ubit> cd bin
2020-03-02 01:07 <Ubit> ohh well
2020-03-02 01:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6727: SUCCESS in 4 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6727/
2020-03-02 01:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv
2020-03-02 01:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #6728 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-02 01:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6728: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6728/
2020-03-02 01:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics, rename a few vars, etc
2020-03-02 02:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #6729 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-02 02:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6729: SUCCESS in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6729/
2020-03-02 02:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: sync some more things with work copy
2020-03-02 04:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #6730 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-02 04:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6730: SUCCESS in 4 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6730/
2020-03-02 04:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change root part physics type none to apply physics
2020-03-02 16:47 <osmantis> Bug #8667:04 Nunit tests fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8667 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-03-02 17:09 <osmantis> Bug #8668:04 Objects fail to send updates until selected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8668 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-03-03 06:21 <osmantis> Bug #8666:04 Client view  jumps  to old location for a few seconds, then back. Repeats. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8666 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-03 06:50 <osmantis> Bug #8666:04 Client view  jumps  to old location for a few seconds, then back. Repeats. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8666 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-03 07:23 <osmantis> Bug #8666:04 Client view  jumps  to old location for a few seconds, then back. Repeats. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8666 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-03 08:36 <osmantis> Bug #8669:04 Shared Editing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8669 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-03-03 08:44 <Ubit> halcyon grid?
2020-03-03 08:54 <osmantis> Bug #8669:04 Shared Editing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8669 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-03 09:04 <Tampa> Guess that's whatcha get for using a poor attempt at an OpenSim fork, seems to work fine in OpenSim from what I can tell
2020-03-03 09:06 <Tampa> Tempted to just resolve that one
2020-03-03 10:11 <osmantis> Bug #8666:04 Client view  jumps  to old location for a few seconds, then back. Repeats. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8666 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-03 10:20 <osmantis> Bug #8666:04 Client view  jumps  to old location for a few seconds, then back. Repeats. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8666 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-03-03 10:42 <osmantis> Bug #8668:04 Objects fail to send updates until selected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8668 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-03-03 11:21 <osmantis> Bug #8666:04 Client view  jumps  to old location for a few seconds, then back. Repeats. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8666 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-03 11:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #6731 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-03 11:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6731: SUCCESS in 5 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6731/
2020-03-03 11:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8668: invalidate part VOC on lsl scale change
2020-03-03 12:49 <osmantis> Bug #8668:04 Objects fail to send updates until selected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8668 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-03 22:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #6732 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-03 22:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6732: SUCCESS in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6732/
2020-03-03 22:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix object animation updates when also moving
2020-03-03 23:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #6733 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-03 23:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6733: SUCCESS in 4 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6733/
2020-03-03 23:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add LSL_Integer osClearObjectAnimations() to remove all animations on a prim, returning the number it had; some clean on sending
2020-03-04 02:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #6734 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-04 02:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6734: SUCCESS in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6734/
2020-03-04 02:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add some async work to profiles module, take profile out of groups v2, not its job
2020-03-04 04:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #6735 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-04 04:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6735: SUCCESS in 4 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6735/
2020-03-04 04:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add catch log to profiles process
2020-03-04 15:06 <diva_> hi Ubit. Is the latest release in the 0.9.1.1 branch?
2020-03-04 16:34 <Ubit> hi diva
2020-03-04 16:34 <Ubit> yes
2020-03-04 16:52 <diva_> Ubit do you know why I would get this error when I  have VS 2017 installed? "msbuild for at least VS2015 not found, please install a (Community) edition of VS2017 or VS2015"
2020-03-04 16:53 <Ubit> guess my try to locate the msbuild still fails
2020-03-04 16:53 <diva_> I'm in the 0.9.1.1. branch, if that matters
2020-03-04 16:53 <Ubit> odd it does works for me
2020-03-04 16:53 <diva_> should I try the one in dev?
2020-03-04 16:53 <diva_> I mean in master
2020-03-04 16:54 <Ubit> btw that is to create compile.bat only
2020-03-04 16:54 <Ubit> it is the same
2020-03-04 16:55 <diva_> I don't know why the build actions are failling. I have things like this:
2020-03-04 16:55 <diva_> <Match pattern="*.dll" recurse="true" buildAction="Copy" destination="../../bin/" />
2020-03-04 16:55 <diva_> and it doesn't work
2020-03-04 16:55 <diva_> any idea why?
2020-03-04 16:55 <Ubit> no :(
2020-03-04 16:55 <Ubit> rem try find vs2017
2020-03-04 16:55 <Ubit> for %%e in (Enterprise Professional Community) do (
2020-03-04 16:55 <Ubit>     if exist "%PROGRAMS%\Microsoft Visual Studio\2017\%%e\MSBuild\15.0\Bin\MSBuild.exe" (
2020-03-04 16:55 <Ubit>         set ValueValue="%PROGRAMS%\Microsoft Visual Studio\2017\%%e\MSBuild\15.0\Bin\MSBuild"
2020-03-04 16:55 <Ubit> 		goto :found
2020-03-04 16:55 <Ubit>     )
2020-03-04 16:55 <Ubit> )
2020-03-04 16:56 <Ubit> and thisfails for your vs2017
2020-03-04 16:57 <diva_> ah yes. that's because I don't have it in C:
2020-03-04 16:57 <diva_> do I need to change that env variable?
2020-03-04 16:58 <Ubit> yeah just change it %PROGRAMS%\Mi
2020-03-04 16:58 <diva_> %PROGRAMS%
2020-03-04 16:58 <Ubit> well that is if you do use compile.bat
2020-03-04 16:58 <diva_> No, I don't
2020-03-04 16:58 <Ubit> i always use the ide
2020-03-04 16:58 <Ubit> then ignore that
2020-03-04 16:59 <diva_> ok, thn that's not my problem
2020-03-04 16:59 <diva_> it must be something else
2020-03-04 16:59 <diva_> VS is not honoring th ebuild actions, I guess
2020-03-04 16:59 <Ubit> that part is only to create a compile.bat
2020-03-04 16:59 <diva_> I saw it a couple of months ago in VS 2019, but I thought it worked in VS 2017
2020-03-04 16:59 <Ubit> or our prebuild does not know how to tell 2017 how to do it :(
2020-03-04 16:59 <diva_> but now it also doesn't work in VS 2017
2020-03-04 17:00 <diva_> let me check the file that gets generated
2020-03-04 17:02 <diva_> hmm, yeah, there's nothing there
2020-03-04 17:03 <diva_> did someone change Prebuild or did VS change from under it?
2020-03-04 17:04 <Ubit> i hacked prebuild to do basic vs2017 suport
2020-03-04 17:04 <Ubit> that is actually build
2020-03-04 17:04 <Ubit> didn't look to that
2020-03-04 17:05 <diva_> oh
2020-03-04 17:05 <diva_> something about obj
2020-03-04 17:05 <diva_> I don't remember seeing this before
2020-03-04 17:05 <Ubit> ??
2020-03-04 17:06 <Ubit> the missing excludes?
2020-03-04 17:06 <diva_> it's trying to compile things under obj?
2020-03-04 17:06 <Ubit> i told about that on core :p
2020-03-04 17:06 <diva_> what should I do?
2020-03-04 17:07 <Ubit> add things to the prebuild.xml
2020-03-04 17:07 <Ubit> like:
2020-03-04 17:07 <Ubit>     <Files>
2020-03-04 17:07 <Ubit>         <Match pattern="*.cs" recurse="false"/>
2020-03-04 17:07 <Ubit>         <Match path="Client" pattern="*.cs" recurse="true">
2020-03-04 17:07 <Ubit>          <Exclude name="obj" pattern="obj"/>
2020-03-04 17:07 <Ubit>         </Match>
2020-03-04 17:07 <Ubit>         <Match path="ServiceAuth" pattern="*.cs" recurse="true">
2020-03-04 17:07 <Ubit>          <Exclude name="obj" pattern="obj"/>
2020-03-04 17:07 <Ubit>         </Match>
2020-03-04 17:07 <Ubit>       </Files>
2020-03-04 17:07 <Ubit>     </Project>
2020-03-04 17:07 <Ubit> or more simple
2020-03-04 17:07 <Ubit>      <Files>
2020-03-04 17:07 <Ubit>         <Match pattern="*.cs" recurse="true">
2020-03-04 17:07 <Ubit>          <Exclude name="obj" pattern="obj"/>
2020-03-04 17:07 <Ubit>         </Match>
2020-03-04 17:07 <Ubit>       </Files>
2020-03-04 17:07 <diva_> ugh 
2020-03-04 17:08 <diva_> in any case, Prebuild is generating the right VS build directives
2020-03-04 17:08 <diva_>   <ItemGroup>
2020-03-04 17:08 <diva_>     <FilesToCopy_0000 Include="AddinExample.ini;AddinExample.html;Lib\CsvHelper.dll;obj\Debug\Diva.AddinExample.dll;obj\Release\Diva.AddinExample.dll" />
2020-03-04 17:08 <diva_>   </ItemGroup>
2020-03-04 17:08 <diva_>   <Target Name="CopyFiles">
2020-03-04 17:08 <diva_>     <Copy SourceFiles="@(FilesToCopy_0000)" DestinationFolder="../../bin/" />
2020-03-04 17:08 <diva_>   </Target>
2020-03-04 17:08 <diva_> or maybe not! there's the obj in there too
2020-03-04 17:08 <diva_> ok, let me try excluding
2020-03-04 17:10 <Ubit> gezz how do ppl love the async/wait .net code pattern?
2020-03-04 17:10 <Ubit> thats a damm hack
2020-03-04 17:11 <Ubit> and a virus.. all app needs to use that from bottom up
2020-03-04 17:11 <Ubit> and then they report thread pool starvation
2020-03-04 17:11 <Ubit> bahh
2020-03-04 17:12 <Ubit> who said software is getting better???
2020-03-04 17:12 <Ubit> :p
2020-03-04 17:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #6736 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-04 17:24 <Ubit> yeack  going to pay some bills while i had the $
2020-03-04 17:24 <Ubit> bbl
2020-03-04 17:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6736: SUCCESS in 5 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6736/
2020-03-04 17:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: place the try/catch in right place on profiles process. This is still bad. Last code changes moved from blocking a user for a long time, to block profiles for all, for a long time. This because some viewers like firestorm, ask for the profiles of all user friends to show their ugly 1st life pictures. thats hundred requests taking from 500ms to more than 30s each
2020-03-04 20:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #6737 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-04 20:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6737: FAILURE in 1 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6737/
2020-03-04 20:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: take lludp out of usermanagement module
2020-03-04 20:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #6738 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6736 2 hr 44 min ago)
2020-03-04 20:08 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-03-04 20:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6738: FIXED in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6738/
2020-03-04 20:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file
2020-03-04 20:47 <osmantis> Bug #8666:04 Client view  jumps  to old location for a few seconds, then back. Repeats. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8666 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-04 21:01 <osmantis> Bug #8666:04 Client view  jumps  to old location for a few seconds, then back. Repeats. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8666 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-04 21:27 <osmantis> Bug #8666:04 Client view  jumps  to old location for a few seconds, then back. Repeats. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8666 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-04 21:34 <danbanner> lol a mantis about rubberbanding?
2020-03-04 21:41 <diva_> damn, you're one year away from opensim, and when you come back, nothing works!!! grr
2020-03-04 21:42 <Ubit> be happy..  mine is not working now, and was a few minutes ago :)
2020-03-04 22:29 <Plugh> Somebody has something against rubber bands?  ;)
2020-03-04 22:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #6739 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-03-04 22:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6739: SUCCESS in 4 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6739/
2020-03-04 22:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid duplicated udpbuffer free that may still happen
2020-03-04 22:53 <diva_> grr. worse than things not working is when things suddenly start working mysteriously
2020-03-04 22:56 <Ubit> scary at least
2020-03-04 22:59 <danbanner> they need to 'warm up'
2020-03-04 23:06 <diva_> I think I know what it was, but it's too much work to confirm. It was related to that warning message of not finding msbuild
2020-03-04 23:13 <diva_> oh Ubit, I've been seeing an error on my 0.9.0 install related to a new db table bakederrain
2020-03-04 23:13 <diva_> I thought migrations would ensure this wouldn't happen
2020-03-04 23:13 <Ubit> that is kinda old table
2020-03-04 23:13 <diva_> did you forget a migration for that by any chance?
2020-03-04 23:14 <diva_> is it not used?
2020-03-04 23:14 <Ubit> it was a 0.8 region?
2020-03-04 23:14 <diva_> I don't remember seeing it
2020-03-04 23:14 <diva_> I started seeing this error when I migrated from 0.8.2 to 0.9.0
2020-03-04 23:14 <Ubit> added on 0.9.0.0 and only that has the full migrations from 0.8
2020-03-04 23:15 <diva_> so how come I get an error in 0.9.0?
2020-03-04 23:16 <Ubit> dont know 
2020-03-04 23:17 <Ubit> we may had lost it :)
2020-03-04 23:17 <diva_> ok, I'll reset the migration number before upgrading to 0.9.1.1
2020-03-04 23:18 <Ubit> :VERSION 54         #----- add baked terrain store
2020-03-04 23:18 <Ubit> BEGIN;
2020-03-04 23:18 <Ubit> CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS `bakedterrain` (
2020-03-04 23:18 <Ubit>   `RegionUUID` varchar(255) DEFAULT NULL,
2020-03-04 23:18 <Ubit>   `Revision` int(11) DEFAULT NULL,
2020-03-04 23:18 <Ubit>   `Heightfield` longblob
2020-03-04 23:18 <Ubit> ) ENGINE=InnoDB DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8;
2020-03-04 23:18 <Ubit> its there
2020-03-04 23:18 <Ubit> (mysql)
2020-03-04 23:21 <diva_> uh oh
2020-03-04 23:21 <diva_> Ubit there's something wrong with the prebuild program 
2020-03-04 23:22 <Ubit> only tested with the simple things main opensim uses
2020-03-04 23:24 <diva_> oh man
2020-03-04 23:24 <Ubit> btw use the one at bin/
2020-03-04 23:27 <diva_> it's not [just] prebuild
2020-03-04 23:31 <diva_> wtf
2020-03-04 23:31 <diva_> it's not working again. grrrr
2020-03-04 23:37 <diva_> when I hit Rebuild, it works
2020-03-04 23:37 <diva_> but doesn't work on Build
2020-03-04 23:37 <diva_> wtf
2020-03-04 23:38 <Ubit> odd
2020-03-04 23:43 <diva_> ok this is a clean repro. Doesn't work with simple Build, works with Rebuild
2020-03-04 23:48 <Ubit> yeackk
2020-03-04 23:51 <diva_> Ubit 0.9.1.1 was a "minor" release?
2020-03-04 23:51 <Ubit> not really
2020-03-04 23:52 <diva_> Major?
2020-03-04 23:54 <Ubit> several new features ppl like etc
2020-03-04 23:55 <Ubit> even has a name :p
2020-03-04 23:56 <Ubit> well wait ..1 is a bugs fix to 0.9.1.0
2020-03-05 00:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #6740 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-05 00:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6740: SUCCESS in 4 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6740/
2020-03-05 00:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: yeackk silly bug on new avaterpickeravaterpicker
2020-03-05 00:05 <Ubit> and a bug on the commit message gezz
2020-03-05 00:21 <diva_> has ODE been deprecated?
2020-03-05 00:21 <Ubit> still there
2020-03-05 00:21 <Ubit> i asked about it on a email, some kinda want it
2020-03-05 00:41 <Plugh> What is "it"?
2020-03-05 00:41 <Ubit> ode
2020-03-05 00:47 <diva_> personally I don't care for ODE
2020-03-05 00:47 <diva_> we have better ones
2020-03-05 00:47 <diva_> +1 for dropping it from here on
2020-03-05 00:49 <Ubit> :)
2020-03-05 03:54 <Tampa> But do not remove basicphysics, need that for debugging
2020-03-05 12:26 <osmantis> Bug #8666:04 Client view  jumps  to old location for a few seconds, then back. Repeats. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8666 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-03-05 12:36 <osmantis> Bug #8666:04 Client view  jumps  to old location for a few seconds, then back. Repeats. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8666 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-05 13:35 <osmantis> Bug #8666:04 Client view  jumps  to old location for a few seconds, then back. Repeats. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8666 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-03-05 18:46 <osmantis> Bug #8666:04 Client view  jumps  to old location for a few seconds, then back. Repeats. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8666 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2020-03-06 18:26 <osmantis> Bug #8670:04 BoM grid assets are missing alpha channels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8670 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-06 19:01 <osmantis> Bug #8670:04 BoM grid assets are missing alpha channels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8670 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-06 19:03 <osmantis> Bug #8670:04 BoM grid assets are missing alpha channels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8670 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-06 19:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #6741 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-06 19:26 <osmantis> Bug #8670:04 BoM grid assets are missing alpha channels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8670 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-06 19:33 <Ubit> only? one!
2020-03-06 19:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #6742 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-06 19:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6742: SUCCESS in 20 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6742/
2020-03-06 19:55 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: define Mr Opensim data on Constants
2020-03-06 19:55 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: flotsam: add comands deletedefaultassets to delete local default assets (on folder bin/assets) from cache so they can be refreshed from grid and cachedefaultassets to load those local assets into cache. This comands may cause desync with grid or other regions. Viewers will need to clear cache so see effects. Use with care
2020-03-06 19:55 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: missed only line on last commit
2020-03-06 22:03 <osmantis> Bug #8670:04 BoM grid assets are missing alpha channels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8670 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-07 10:01 <osmantis> Bug #8671:04 Sim surrounds do not rez properly (NonPhysicalPrimMax maxing out at 256) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8671 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-03-07 12:42 <osmantis> Bug #8671:04 [Resolved] Sim surrounds do not rez properly (NonPhysicalPrimMax maxing out at 256) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8671 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-03-07 15:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #6743 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-07 15:51 <Ubit> yeack those are still not good
2020-03-07 15:52 <Ubit> only last fs sees them
2020-03-07 15:54 <Ubit> well they also don't see alpha on the sl ones
2020-03-07 15:55 <Ubit> at sl also only last fs and sl viewer do see alpha
2020-03-07 19:14 <jsync> The Region Terminal just sits there without much activity most of the time. I thought of it like unto a stable imagination of a reality. It's sort of neat.
2020-03-07 19:15 <jsync> It's not like a person trying to buck himself with things like, "I want boobs!! Let me see boobs!!" 😜
2020-03-07 19:16 <jsync> There's quite a lot more activity in the Viewer processes though.
2020-03-07 19:18 <jsync> It's weird: I was looking at how the Viewer renders stars. It's weird that they put that Viewer side. Perhaps for lighter load upon the servers.
2020-03-07 19:20 <jsync> It's a somewhat complex equation or algorithm that scatters stars. I'm thinking to try & figure a means of showing stars in a contextually more orderly way.
2020-03-07 19:29 <jsync> I would think that a module service that told the Viewer where to show the stars amidst a Galaxy Grid Model might work. I'm still looking into it all.
2020-03-07 19:37 <jsync> The Regions would have a hypothetical placeholder upon a Planet amidst the Galaxy Grid Model. Use a program like Celestia for the libraries that map the location of stars & Planets within the Galaxy.
2020-03-07 21:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #6744 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-07 21:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6744: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6744/
2020-03-07 21:40 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8670: replace bom fallback textures with ones havign alpha channel
2020-03-07 21:40 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8670: replace bom fallback textures with ones havign alpha channel, now done with older j2k compressor
2020-03-07 21:40 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: a few changes to flotsam asset cache
2020-03-07 21:40 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: a few missing files
2020-03-07 22:09 <osmantis> Bug #8670:04 BoM grid assets are missing alpha channels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8670 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-03-08 06:58 <osmantis> Bug #8666:04 Client view  jumps  to old location for a few seconds, then back. Repeats. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8666 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-08 08:38 <osmantis> Bug #8672:04 Motion Comms Broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8672 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-03-08 09:08 <osmantis> Bug #8670:04 BoM grid assets are missing alpha channels 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8670 ): has been CLOSED
2020-03-10 03:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #6745 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-10 03:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6745: SUCCESS in 4 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6745/
2020-03-10 03:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  minor patching to outdated vivox suport. This can't be updated without proper API spec, that vivox is refusing to provide to me
2020-03-10 05:10 <Tampa> So stupid question, but what keeps anyone from idk reverse-engineering their protocol? Beside being a lot of work that is
2020-03-10 05:10 <Ubit> non sense, when they still support opensim with free accounts
2020-03-10 05:10 <Ubit> and rev eng is always bad pratice
2020-03-10 05:11 <Tampa> True, but currently with no one wanting to work on mumble or freeswitch it becomes a key issue and their quality has dropped lately
2020-03-10 05:11 <Tampa> The codec is showing its age
2020-03-10 05:12 <Ubit> i know
2020-03-10 05:12 <Ubit> but i will not rev eng that
2020-03-10 05:12 <Tampa> I did not say you should
2020-03-10 05:12 <Tampa> I was merely I guess asking what you think would make it complicated to reverse engineer
2020-03-10 05:12 <Ubit> if they keep refusing information and it stops working, we will just drop it
2020-03-10 05:13 <Tampa> I do have an option that may provide a solution
2020-03-10 05:13 <Tampa> You heard of Teamspeak right?
2020-03-10 05:13 <Ubit> yeap used it
2020-03-10 05:13 <Ubit> but our limitation is viewer side
2020-03-10 05:13 <Tampa> So there is a clone of that called Teaspeak, open source client and server
2020-03-10 05:14 <Ubit> the only way to have voice with the viewer UI is using that crap
2020-03-10 05:14 <Tampa> It could provide some insight into how audio is done server side and it has spacial audio in it already
2020-03-10 05:14 <Tampa> Not saying its a dropin replacement
2020-03-10 05:14 <Ubit> not sure if freeswitch works anymore either ( and has no positional )
2020-03-10 05:15 <Ubit> mumble, needs a viewer side replacement
2020-03-10 05:15 <Tampa> But someone who knows a thing or two about it could perhaps learn from it and I have someone on hand that is just that
2020-03-10 05:15 <Ubit> for slvoice.exe
2020-03-10 05:15 <Ubit> guess only vivox as 3d
2020-03-10 05:15 <Tampa> That is unless there is some sort of bridge that pretends to be vivox but is something else
2020-03-10 05:16 <Tampa> I am going on a limb here I know
2020-03-10 05:16 <Tampa> Let me dream
2020-03-10 05:16 <Ubit> guess that is what freeswitch plug in does
2020-03-10 05:16 <Ubit> it feeds the viewers a SIP connection
2020-03-10 05:17 <Ubit> that they think it is from vivox
2020-03-10 05:17 <Tampa> Which is why I am convinced it just takes someone to really wanna talk to people inworld to sit down and develop something, the parts are all there really
2020-03-10 05:17 <Ubit> but difenrent voice modules is a total pain
2020-03-10 05:17 <Ubit> even at osgrid, not to mention HG
2020-03-10 05:18 <Ubit> viewers assume they are on a single grid, same user account all the place
2020-03-10 05:19 <Tampa> I know, though I would say that given the availability most viewers that have an opensim version would probably have no trouble integrating a new voice plugin given it was provided to them
2020-03-10 05:19 <Ubit> tp from a region with voice to one without it
2020-03-10 05:19 <Ubit> you stay connected to the original...
2020-03-10 05:19 <Tampa> I know
2020-03-10 05:20 <Ubit> i can't try to fix that without the damm API spec
2020-03-10 05:20 <Ubit> and there was that error that no one did report ( as far i saw)
2020-03-10 05:20 <Tampa> I emailed vivox once to ask if the commercial voice had better quality, did not even get a reply from them
2020-03-10 05:21 <Ubit> it also seems that even SL is using a outdated vivox also
2020-03-10 05:22 <Tampa> Given everyone there is moving to discord far as I can tell
2020-03-10 05:22 <Ubit> thats a crap
2020-03-10 05:22 <Ubit> and no one is moving to it
2020-03-10 05:22 <Tampa> Find a lot of SL-rejects in opensim still using vivox
2020-03-10 05:22 <Tampa> discord is a horrid platform
2020-03-10 05:23 <Tampa> Feels like a virus
2020-03-10 05:23 <Ubit> ppl use teamspeak and discord as a external voice 
2020-03-10 05:23 <Ubit> to have groups that not game defined
2020-03-10 05:23 <Tampa> teamspeak is going full on discord mode with their new client too
2020-03-10 05:23 <Ubit> i used teamspeak on world of tanks
2020-03-10 05:23 <Ubit> that does have vivox also
2020-03-10 05:24 <Ubit> but no one uses the game voice
2020-03-10 05:24 <Ubit> bc it is very limited
2020-03-10 05:24 <Tampa> I don't get why voice in 2020 is still so damn hard to do, like by now you can develop videogames without having to write code almost yet we don't have a well-working opensource voice client server setup that can be integrated
2020-03-10 05:24 <Tampa> Seems shady
2020-03-10 05:25 <Ubit> streamers also mostly don't use the games voice, again because want own groups talking
2020-03-10 05:25 <Ubit> well and vivox is now owned by unity
2020-03-10 05:26 <Tampa> Would think that would make a positive difference given unity reputation, but apparently not
2020-03-10 05:26 <Ubit> for us vivox was a good option, once they give free accounts
2020-03-10 05:27 <Ubit> decent comercial grids, could even get payed ones ( but think it is free for less than 5000 concurrent users anyway)
2020-03-10 05:28 <Tampa> I don't think they do that anymore
2020-03-10 05:28 <Tampa> Like I said I emailed them, got no response
2020-03-10 05:28 <Ubit> just it is a system that works everywhere and on current users
2020-03-10 05:28 <Ubit> well they did reply me.. REFUSED
2020-03-10 05:28 <Ubit> lol
2020-03-10 05:29 <Tampa> If only we still had a public forum to shame them...
2020-03-10 05:30 <Ubit> well they did point me to the link to ask for a opensim free account
2020-03-10 05:30 <Tampa> -_-
2020-03-10 05:31 <Ubit> ( request that they can also refuse later )
2020-03-10 05:31 <Tampa> Their TOS of that free account contains illegal clauses btw
2020-03-10 05:31 <Tampa> Like recording without consent and so on
2020-03-10 05:31 <Ubit> well it does surprise me how they still give that
2020-03-10 05:31 <Ubit> they are pure comercial...
2020-03-10 05:32 <Ubit> hmm fun to see unreal using something owned by unity now lol
2020-03-10 05:33 <Ubit> guess those are having cold sweet on that now also ;)
2020-03-10 05:33 <Ubit> "
2020-03-10 05:33 <Ubit> Now available to everyone.
2020-03-10 05:33 <Ubit> Get Started for Free "
2020-03-10 05:34 <Ubit> then they refuse
2020-03-10 05:34 <Ubit> lol
2020-03-10 05:34 <Ubit> they also did refuse to a fs dev
2020-03-10 05:34 <Tampa> You are just giving me more reasons to reverse engineer their shitty protocol
2020-03-10 13:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #6746 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-10 13:42 <Ubit> bahh
2020-03-10 13:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6746: SUCCESS in 4 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6746/
2020-03-10 13:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: current vivox server certs are invalid
2020-03-10 14:42 <Tampa> expired or just bad?
2020-03-10 15:30 <Ubit> invalid hostname
2020-03-10 15:30 <Ubit> bc they moved to cloud
2020-03-10 16:16 <osmantis> Bug #8331:04 Vivox voice server issues in upcoming viewers 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8331 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-10 18:00 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid.
2020-03-10 18:08 <Plugh> FYI, The clocks in have moved ahead an hour in North America. It is later than you think. :)
2020-03-10 19:02 <Ubit> :)
2020-03-10 22:15 <osmantis> Bug #8666:04 Client view  jumps  to old location for a few seconds, then back. Repeats. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8666 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-10 23:55 <osmantis> Bug #8672:04 Motion Comms Broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8672 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-11 07:03 <osmantis> Bug #8666:04 Client view  jumps  to old location for a few seconds, then back. Repeats. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8666 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-11 07:19 <osmantis> Bug #8672:04 Motion Comms Broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8672 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-11 07:54 <osmantis> Bug #8666:04 Client view  jumps  to old location for a few seconds, then back. Repeats. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8666 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-11 12:25 <FrancoisG> Good day
2020-03-11 12:26 <FrancoisG> Anyone here that can help me with a inventory question?
2020-03-11 12:26 <Tampa> What's the problem?
2020-03-11 12:27 <FrancoisG> Im running robust in hypergrid mode. Is it normal for my inventory to not be available in other grids?
2020-03-11 12:27 <FrancoisG> Standalone hypergrid does not seem to have this issue?
2020-03-11 12:33 <Tampa> You need to configure your robust to provide either direct inventory or suitcase, read the robust config
2020-03-11 12:34 <FrancoisG> Great thanks Ill have a look
2020-03-11 16:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #6747 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-11 16:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6747: SUCCESS in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6747/
2020-03-11 16:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a lock i missed..
2020-03-11 16:49 <osmantis> Bug #8666:04 Client view  jumps  to old location for a few seconds, then back. Repeats. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8666 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-11 20:29 <Tampa> These two tickets make no sense
2020-03-11 20:29 <Tampa> say they run dell servers, environment is given mono / OSX, wut
2020-03-11 20:29 <Tampa> It's like they don't actually have a clue on what sort of "OpenSim" they are dealing with
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2020-03-12 14:07 <jsync2> Started a Viewer Support wiki at https://opensimviewer.support/wiki
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2020-03-13 21:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #6748 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-13 21:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6748: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6748/
2020-03-13 21:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
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2020-03-15 15:42 <osmantis> Bug #8673:04 When reverting to 0.9.2 Dev, from current Master, all simulators terminate in console with error message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8673 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-03-15 16:42 <osmantis> Bug #8673:04 When reverting to 0.9.2 Dev, from current Master, all simulators terminate in console with error message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8673 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-15 17:13 <osmantis> Bug #8673:04 When reverting to 0.9.2 Dev, from current Master, all simulators terminate in console with error message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8673 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-15 17:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #6749 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-15 17:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6749: SUCCESS in 4 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6749/
2020-03-15 17:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor change to legacy mesh stream cost estimation, so small lowest lod does not give excessive contribution
2020-03-15 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #8674:04 After updating to current master (5f76a62d29 2020-03-13 21:27:57 +0000), unable to connect to vivox voice 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8674 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-03-15 22:00 <osmantis> Bug #8674:04 After updating to current master (5f76a62d29 2020-03-13 21:27:57 +0000), unable to connect to vivox voice 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8674 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-15 22:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #6750 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-15 22:14 <osmantis> Bug #8674:04 After updating to current master (5f76a62d29 2020-03-13 21:27:57 +0000), unable to connect to vivox voice 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8674 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-15 22:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6750: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6750/
2020-03-15 22:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8674: give up asking viewers to use htts on vivox. Several just fail
2020-03-15 22:32 <Tampa> Are vivox just completely inept now, goodness me
2020-03-15 22:34 <Ubit> sounds more viewers
2020-03-15 22:34 <Ubit> fs 6.3.x works
2020-03-15 22:34 <Ubit> but had to tell port
2020-03-15 22:37 <Tampa> I built before this commit, deployed to a few regions, no connection with no viewer so far
2020-03-15 22:37 <Tampa> But not because ssl, oh no
2020-03-15 22:37 <Tampa> Because apparently vivox has a fail2ban or something setup to straight up block connection if you try on ssl port too many times
2020-03-15 23:23 <Melanie_T> Ubit: ping
2020-03-15 23:24 <Melanie_T> we need to be able to use https with vivox. 
2020-03-15 23:24 <Melanie_T> there should be a more intelligent config
2020-03-15 23:24 <Melanie_T> that allows the user to specify this
2020-03-15 23:24 <Melanie_T> paid vivox accounts are https only, https is not allowed on paid accounts
2020-03-15 23:25 <Melanie_T> so that needs to be switchable
2020-03-15 23:50 <Tampa> That would make sense if those accounts were still obtainable, but they don't seem to actually be alive anymore outside of being a brand and having a server running somewhere
2020-03-15 23:51 <Tampa> I could not get a hold of them in any way, not even just recently this week attempting to get some information on what their plans were
2020-03-15 23:55 <Plugh> I'm thinking that second http was meant to be http.
2020-03-16 12:21 <Ubit> payed accounts may have more issues than https
2020-03-16 12:21 <Ubit> well vivox did refused information. Just told i need to change nothing
2020-03-16 12:22 <Ubit> we are also using obsolete servers, the new ones will not work anyway
2020-03-16 12:23 <Ubit> even a error we get now, they jsut told me, you don't need to fix, it works anyway
2020-03-16 12:23 <Ubit> bahh
2020-03-17 09:31 <osmantis> Bug #8666:04 Client view  jumps  to old location for a few seconds, then back. Repeats. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8666 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-18 01:34 <jsync> Is anybody aware of what might be causing mono to fail to start region? It's giving an error: unable to find gdb or lldb.
2020-03-18 01:34 <jsync> Mono runs my various other regions fine seemingly.
2020-03-18 02:26 <jsync> I guess I don't have all the prerequisites installed & I can't seem to find a list of required packages. I installed gdb & lldb in Debian, though the Region instance still fails upon the attempt to start the region.
2020-03-18 02:34 <Ubit> it should not be needed
2020-03-18 02:35 <Ubit> but sounds like a mono install issue
2020-03-18 03:20 <jsync> Yeah. The other regions start fine. This particular Region is sort of heavy, with 1000+ scripts in it, & the startup fails after starting 650 scripts. It makes me wonder if my enableossl.ini isn't configured correctly perhaps, or something else. I'm sure that when I get used to 0.9.1 I'll like it, though getting it setup from 0.8.1 is a pain.
2020-03-18 03:22 <jsync> I'm glad I found the note about upgrading to 0.8.2 before moving to 0.9.1, else my revilings of MariaDB would have been partly misguided, & I'm sure I have a point about not liking MariaDB.
2020-03-18 03:23 <Ubit> and to 0.9.0 bf 0.9.1
2020-03-18 03:25 <jsync> I had to extract db tables & edit them before MariaDB accepted them: like 18 different tables that Maria wouldn't accept, not actually. MariaDB really is problematic, though that's aside of the current point at hand.
2020-03-18 03:25 <jsync> Yeah, Ubit. That was an important note.
2020-03-18 03:27 <jsync> Perhaps this problem with this region starting up really is with the configs & I'll figure it out with time. If mono-complete is the only runtime package requirement, then it must be something with the configs.
2020-03-18 04:07 <jsync> The error starts with: ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/read.c: No such file or directory.  I've messed with the configs. I'm gonna assume that mono can't find a library it needs, not actually.
2020-03-18 04:09 <jsync> I thought that meant something with the libc package, though libc.so should be easy enough for mono to find.
2020-03-18 04:48 <Tampa> Not sure what you did, but this is the first time seeing anything like the errors you are getting I am starting to think somewhere along the lines you royally messed your system up
2020-03-18 04:48 <Tampa> Normally on debian or ubuntu installing stable version of mono and mariadb works out of the box
2020-03-18 04:48 <Tampa> Only issue currently is libgdiplus which needs to be downgraded
2020-03-18 14:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #6751 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-18 14:48 <Tampa> Changes neither on bitbucket nor viewgit?
2020-03-18 14:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6751: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6751/
2020-03-18 14:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv
2020-03-18 14:48 <Ubit> changes are on bitb..
2020-03-18 14:51 <Tampa> Last commit there shows from Jan 18
2020-03-18 14:51 <Tampa> bug on httpserver
2020-03-18 14:51 <Ubit> did i push anything related to httpserver?
2020-03-18 14:52 <Ubit> or opensim-libs ?
2020-03-18 14:53 <Tampa> Too much to ask to include the commit message of the libomv when you push that into core? I just want to know if a change could break something is all
2020-03-18 14:53 <Ubit> https://bitbucket.org/opensimulator/profile/repositories
2020-03-18 14:56 <osmantis> Bug #8673:04 When reverting to 0.9.2 Dev, from current Master, all simulators terminate in console with error message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8673 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-18 14:57 <Tampa> Having the code over so many places is a bit hard to track changes :S
2020-03-18 14:58 <osmantis> Bug #8669:04 Shared Editing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8669 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-03-18 14:59 <osmantis> Bug #8673:04 When reverting to 0.9.2 Dev, from current Master, all simulators terminate in console with error message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8673 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-18 15:01 <osmantis> Bug #8668:04 Objects fail to send updates until selected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8668 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-03-18 15:02 <osmantis> Bug #8663:04 missing RemoteCertificateValidationCallbac 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8663 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-03-18 17:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #6752 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-18 17:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6752: SUCCESS in 4 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6752/
2020-03-18 17:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: log processor arch
2020-03-18 17:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #6753 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-18 18:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6753: SUCCESS in 4 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6753/
2020-03-18 18:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: duhhh
2020-03-18 18:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #6754 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-18 18:49 <Ubit> it is there Tampa :p
2020-03-18 18:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6754: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6754/
2020-03-18 18:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv
2020-03-18 19:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #6755 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-18 19:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6755: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6755/
2020-03-18 19:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: tell detected endian also
2020-03-18 21:53 <jsync> I'm getting this same error for a number of particular regions: * Assertion at mini.c:2278, condition `code' not met
2020-03-18 21:56 <Tampa> You broke your system
2020-03-18 21:57 <Ubit> you do have issues with yr setup
2020-03-18 22:24 <jsync> Most of the regions run fine.
2020-03-18 22:34 <jsync> 😕 "You broke your system" is sort of vague & doesn't help me fix it.
2020-03-18 22:36 <jsync> (Have you guys thought about commissioning the OpenSim project? It's a bunch of work, & would qualify as full time. Maybe it could be turned into a shared profit for developers & make them some money for the work.)
2020-03-18 22:36 <Ubit> that has nothing to do with opensim
2020-03-18 22:39 <jsync> "Commissioning Development" has nothing to do with opensim?
2020-03-19 00:22 <jsync> So, are you guys suggesting that I uninstall & reinstall mono-complete?
2020-03-19 00:23 <jsync> It's either mono-complete, or it's the database. Right?
2020-03-19 15:28 <osmantis> Bug #8673:04 When reverting to 0.9.2 Dev, from current Master, all simulators terminate in console with error message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8673 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-19 15:29 <osmantis> Bug #8673:04 When reverting to 0.9.2 Dev, from current Master, all simulators terminate in console with error message 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8673 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2020-03-19 15:44 <osmantis> Bug #8641:04 console loads like normal 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8641 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-03-19 15:49 <osmantis> Bug #8630:04 Memory Leak on YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8630 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-19 15:51 <osmantis> Bug #8623:04 llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast inside for loop not updating 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8623 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-03-19 16:15 <osmantis> Bug #8675:04 Floatsam Cache - Failed to expire cached file (uuid) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8675 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-03-19 16:27 <osmantis> Bug #8675:04 Floatsam Cache - Failed to expire cached file (uuid) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8675 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2020-03-19 20:02 <osmantis> Bug #8595:04 hop links in Discovery Grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8595 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-03-19 20:03 <osmantis> Bug #8579:04 while(1) doesnt repeat forever 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8579 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-03-19 20:05 <osmantis> Bug #8569:04 Removing a script with llRemoveInventory after a touch start event lets you left click and drag the prim. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8569 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-03-19 20:09 <osmantis> Bug #8511:04 Starting a region on a tile already occupied fails but overwrites map thumbnail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8511 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2020-03-20 10:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #6756 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-20 10:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6756: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6756/
2020-03-20 10:59 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8675: delay material delete (the reported log message may still happen, but less
2020-03-20 10:59 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: LevelUpload setting is now on [Permissions], so look for it there also
2020-03-20 16:13 <diva_> how's everyone doing?
2020-03-20 16:14 <Ubit> hdding from the chinese virus
2020-03-20 16:14 <diva_> here in California we are on shelter-in-place
2020-03-20 16:14 <Ubit> here is a big mess, as usual 
2020-03-20 16:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #6757 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-20 16:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6757: SUCCESS in 4 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6757/
2020-03-20 16:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: contrary to some docs, PROCESSOR_ARCHITECTURE is not defined on linux
2020-03-20 16:49 <Tampa> I actually managed to contract a cold... great timing xD
2020-03-20 17:19 <diva_> ooo, hope it goes away soon!
2020-03-20 21:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #6758 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-20 21:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6758: SUCCESS in 5 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6758/
2020-03-20 21:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv again (arm issues)
2020-03-20 22:06 <diva_> Ubit which scripting engine is now the default?
2020-03-20 22:06 <Ubit> still X
2020-03-20 22:07 <diva_> k
2020-03-20 22:07 <Ubit> and bullet on physics.. to avoid migration issues for those that don't know..
2020-03-20 22:09 <diva_> k
2020-03-20 22:48 <Tampa> If scripts are well written proper LSL then there are no issues, not a single of my 3000+ scripts broke. Division by zero is not handle so well anymore and some typecasting behaves differently, beyond that Y with ubode tends to actually work better from what I am being told, especially vehicles and sim crossings
2020-03-20 22:51 <Ubit> grrr
2020-03-20 22:51 <Ubit> div by zero was just not handle at all
2020-03-20 22:52 <Ubit> not stops the script :p
2020-03-20 22:52 <Ubit> now..
2020-03-20 22:52 <Ubit> you NaN lover.. :p
2020-03-20 22:53 <Tampa> 2/0 to me should be 2, but everyone seems to have a different opinion on what it should be
2020-03-20 22:53 <Ubit> you have odd math :p
2020-03-20 22:53 <Tampa> If I have a pie and no knife I still have the pie
2020-03-20 22:53 <Ubit> and integer divs did stop scripts before
2020-03-20 22:54 <Ubit> just not floats
2020-03-20 22:54 <Tampa> There are some changes to how certain returns are handled
2020-03-20 22:54 <Tampa> Like avatarsitontarget you have to test against nullkey and not "true"
2020-03-20 22:54 <Tampa> Though
2020-03-20 22:54 <Tampa> If proper LSL then no issues
2020-03-20 22:54 <Tampa> X did teach some weird concepts
2020-03-20 22:55 <Ubit> llAvatarOnSitTarget does return a key
2020-03-20 22:56 <Ubit> but on a if it should cast to true/false
2020-03-20 22:57 <Tampa> Not sure where that script is now, but it complained due to some combination, when I tested against !NULL_KEY it worked as under X
2020-03-20 22:57 <Ubit> but to trust of such casts is asking for trouble
2020-03-20 22:57 <Tampa> Exactly
2020-03-20 22:58 <Ubit> worse.. execution order
2020-03-20 22:58 <Ubit> that is another problem converting from X to Y
2020-03-20 22:58 <Tampa> I really think X taught some concepts that are more akin to Cpp or php rather than proper LSL
2020-03-20 22:58 <Ubit> x translates to c#
2020-03-20 22:58 <Tampa> Under X some stuff from the wiki would fail also, don't think Y has that
2020-03-20 22:59 <Ubit> so c# rules on a lot of things
2020-03-20 22:59 <Tampa> I know typecasting is different, X will complain where Y won't say anytihng
2020-03-20 22:59 <Tampa> like integer in say
2020-03-20 22:59 <Tampa> floats and integers
2020-03-20 22:59 <Tampa> Stuff like that
2020-03-21 00:35 <Aramis^> rofl @ pie logic  :)
2020-03-21 00:42 <Aramis^> I want to party with you dude!  :)
2020-03-21 00:43 <Tampa> If I have nothing to divide by it just stays them same, though I could not figure out what X does, it think it returns 0 instead
2020-03-21 00:44 <Tampa> I wrote a patch to just return the left side aka whatever is to be divided, not sure if I am going to use it yet though
2020-03-21 00:51 <Ubit> X returns a NaN, positive infinity or negative infinity
2020-03-21 00:52 <Ubit> that goes on "eating" all values, until something blows up
2020-03-21 00:54 <Ubit> you should remember for schools days that div by zero is ilegal
2020-03-21 00:56 <Ubit> or with the concept of infinitezime,  if one imagines the 0 is a very small value that aproach zero, it is +- infinity
2020-03-21 00:57 <Ubit> infinitezime ? ( well something really small )
2020-03-21 00:58 <Ubit> ( so the magic values positive/negative infinity now defined by ieee
2020-03-21 00:58 <Ubit> or nan for 0/0
2020-03-21 00:58 <Ubit> 2/0 NEVER is 2
2020-03-21 00:59 <Ubit> thats 2/1 :p
2020-03-21 01:00 <Ubit> ann and now X also terminates scripts with error
2020-03-21 01:00 <Ubit> i did change that for both engines
2020-03-21 01:01 <Ubit> ( and againg div by zero on integers always did error, because integer unit does not have those magic numbers the fpu has )
2020-03-21 01:09 <Ubit> ( and there are a positive zero and a negative zero, btw :p )
2020-03-21 18:29 <Tampa> Anyone know why purging groups of hypergrid members does not seem to work well?
2020-03-21 18:29 <Tampa> Like you remove them and a day later the entries in the db are back
2020-03-21 18:29 <Tampa> Do simulators cache that and enter it again?
2020-03-22 01:16 <diva_> anyone up for comiong to a talk in my virtual lab tomorrow at 6am California? I'm giving a keynote in IEEE VR about virtual conferences. They are using Zoom + Mozilla Hubs, but I will be screen-sharing the talk from my virtual lab. It would be fun to have someone in the audience!
2020-03-22 01:17 <diva_> HG:   http://nile.ics.uci.edu:9000 in the main auditorum (the big building)
2020-03-22 11:53 <Ubit> who gets up at 6am ?
2020-03-23 21:15 <Ubit> yeack uk on full lockdown?
2020-03-23 21:16 <Ubit> well we are almost on that also
2020-03-23 21:22 <Plugh> It is? I was going to email my friend in Scotland yesterday. I better finish the email I started. We exchanged emails last week.
2020-03-23 21:23 <Ubit> yeah a uk person just told me that
2020-03-23 21:23 <AliciaRaven> wtf? seriously?
2020-03-23 21:24 <Ubit> not looking to tv?
2020-03-23 21:24 <AliciaRaven> shit,  i stop for a few hours to watch a movie and all hell breaks loose
2020-03-23 21:24 <Ubit> well it was expected
2020-03-23 21:24 <AliciaRaven> true
2020-03-23 21:24 <Ubit> we are on that for a few days already
2020-03-23 21:24 <AliciaRaven> how u guys doing?
2020-03-23 21:24 <Ubit> still a bit soft version
2020-03-23 21:24 <Ubit> but basicly same rules
2020-03-23 21:24 <AliciaRaven> i know spain is taking a shitstorm but how is portugal?
2020-03-23 21:25 <Ubit> following
2020-03-23 21:25 <Ubit> with a few days delay
2020-03-23 21:25 <Plugh> I will try and catch the news on BBC Canada tonight.
2020-03-23 21:26 <Ubit> 2060 infected this afternoon
2020-03-23 21:26 <Ubit> but growth curve still identical to spain. mb not as bad as italy
2020-03-23 21:26 <Plugh> I think you mean "as of this afternoon". :)
2020-03-23 21:27 <Ubit> yeap
2020-03-23 21:27 <Ubit> actually lunch time :)
2020-03-23 21:27 <Ubit> and yes total
2020-03-23 21:27 <Ubit> don't remember last 24hours number
2020-03-23 21:28 <Ubit> but still strong exponential curve
2020-03-23 21:28 <Ubit> we do have regions with police road blocks now
2020-03-23 21:35 <AliciaRaven> i think UK is 2 weeks behind italy but following the same curve
2020-03-23 21:36 <Ubit> yeah we all are
2020-03-23 21:36 <Ubit> mb 3 or 4 weeks here
2020-03-23 21:36 <Plugh> I went for a walk the other day to take a photograph of a gas station sign. Price of gas had been up around $1.20 or so per liter. Yesterday it was 71.9 cents a liter.
2020-03-23 21:36 <AliciaRaven> its like some thing out of night of the living dead, i just watched resident evil, prob not a good choice of movie but felt right
2020-03-23 21:37 <Plugh> yea. Night of the Living Dead, Resident Evil, or I Am Legend.
2020-03-23 21:37 <Ubit> nahh sick ppl don't try to eat you.. stil...
2020-03-23 21:38 <Plugh> There has been one minor plus side to everything that has been going on. The phone has been remarkably quiet. I haven't had any telemarketer calls in weeks.
2020-03-23 21:41 <AliciaRaven> lol silver lining
2020-03-23 21:41 <AliciaRaven> silver lining for me is i can stay home and i have a valid excuse
2020-03-23 21:42 <Ubit> yeah, now you do have
2020-03-23 21:42 <Ubit> BUT
2020-03-23 21:42 <Ubit> you can leave to do some exercise!!
2020-03-23 21:42 <AliciaRaven> cant i do that at home?
2020-03-23 21:43 <Ubit> yes you can lie about that :p
2020-03-23 21:43 <AliciaRaven> lol
2020-03-23 21:43 <Ubit> can walk the dog
2020-03-23 21:43 <AliciaRaven> i have a cat :P
2020-03-23 21:43 <Ubit> gezz we can't walk our cats plugh.. not right
2020-03-23 21:44 <AliciaRaven> lol
2020-03-23 21:44 <Ubit> cats descrimination
2020-03-23 21:44 <Ubit> dis?
2020-03-23 21:44 <AliciaRaven> red dwarf, the cat "hey man, if u wanted the stick so bad why u throw it away?"
2020-03-23 21:45 <Plugh> My current cat isn't allowed out. I don't think she would take to a harness like my previous one. I see people walking their dogs. I pass by them often on my walks.
2020-03-23 21:45 <Ubit> well i don't let mine out
2020-03-23 21:45 <Ubit> but it is reason to rant about discrimination
2020-03-23 21:45 <AliciaRaven> i think with a cat, u have to train them for that from kitten, if u just put one on a grown cat it would panic and be cruel
2020-03-23 21:46 <AliciaRaven> walking harness that is
2020-03-23 21:46 <Plugh> The cat that adopted us had no problem with a harness. I could take him for walks without a problem. Mostly though just around the garden.
2020-03-23 21:46 <Ubit> never managed to make any cat like that
2020-03-23 21:46 <AliciaRaven> my cat would have a heart attack
2020-03-23 21:47 <Ubit> so would mine
2020-03-23 21:47 <AliciaRaven> they are all as unique as people, my cat loves curry and wants to borrow my mobile phone (to watch nature videos)
2020-03-23 21:47 <Ubit> push on the wrong direction, fight to take the thing off
2020-03-23 21:47 <Ubit> all but walk where i wanted :)
2020-03-23 21:48 <Ubit> mine used to have little decorative ping collars
2020-03-23 21:49 <AliciaRaven> i never tried, but when i pick her up, she gets mad, shes happy to be held, and when i put her down shes more mad and smacks my round the ankles
2020-03-23 21:49 <Ubit> playing one did stuck it on a water heat thing... almost died
2020-03-23 21:49 <Plugh> My current cat doesn't like to be held. It is one of the reasons I figure she wouldn't like being in a harness.
2020-03-23 21:49 <Ubit> it had a release thing.. that failed
2020-03-23 21:50 <Ubit> i just arrived she had passed out
2020-03-23 21:50 <AliciaRaven> i think she tolerrates being held because she knows its expected, so when i put her down she has to smack me and run away
2020-03-23 21:50 <Ubit> but recovered 
2020-03-23 21:50 <Ubit> no more collars to mine since :)
2020-03-23 21:50 <Plugh> AliciaRaven: :)
2020-03-23 21:50 <Ubit> mine, only when they ask
2020-03-23 21:51 <Ubit> one at my lap now..  bc she did decide to jump in, and on the position she wants
2020-03-23 21:51 <AliciaRaven> when she smells curry she is always sat oposite my plate waiting for her share, and thats how i taught her to sit, no sit no curry
2020-03-23 21:51 <Ubit> if i move her, she goes away :)
2020-03-23 21:51 <AliciaRaven> she sits now but still lunges for it and knows it out of my hand with excitment
2020-03-23 21:52 <Plugh> Keep her away from my house. I have left over curry chicken for dinner tonight,.
2020-03-23 21:52 <Ubit> well if im not carefull mine eat my food :p
2020-03-23 21:52 <AliciaRaven> lol my cat would lick the curry plate half way across the room before she was donw
2020-03-23 21:52 <Ubit> ( did a few times.. )
2020-03-23 21:52 <AliciaRaven> done*
2020-03-23 21:53 <Ubit> there are always ready to eat
2020-03-23 21:53 <AliciaRaven> hehe my cat never eats my food, unless i say "go on then" in which case she jumps all over me and cleans my plate lmao
2020-03-23 21:54 <AliciaRaven> also i cant use the words chicken, or cheese, else she gets excited and screams at me till i give her some
2020-03-23 21:55 <AliciaRaven> we dont say cheese, we say dairy produce, she hasn't learned that one yet
2020-03-23 21:55 <Ubit> :)
2020-03-23 21:55 <Plugh> Wow. The UK has banned gatherings of more than two people. Their restrictions are "under constant review" but won't be checked again for three weeks? How is that "constant"?? 
2020-03-23 21:56 <Plugh> My cat hasn't learned any food words, afaik.
2020-03-23 21:56 <Ubit> you know ul ppl :p
2020-03-23 21:56 <AliciaRaven> boris has to keep up his hair appointments
2020-03-23 21:56 <Ubit> and uk ppl
2020-03-23 21:56 <Plugh> bbl
2020-03-23 23:00 <osmantis> Bug #8675:04 Floatsam Cache - Failed to expire cached file (uuid) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8675 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2020-03-24 11:59 <anniepoo> latest binary d/l 0.9.1.1 has no OpenSim.exe file in bin/
2020-03-24 11:59 <anniepoo> ??
2020-03-24 12:07 <Ubit> it is there
2020-03-24 12:08 <anniepoo> this is very very weird
2020-03-24 12:09 <Ubit> you may need to set some security thing on downloaded zips
2020-03-24 12:09 <Ubit> or win will refuse to run programs
2020-03-24 12:09 <anniepoo> it got OpenSIm32.exe just fine
2020-03-24 12:10 <anniepoo> thanks 4 help, lemme try d/ling to desktop instead of server
2020-03-24 12:10 <Ubit> if it wasn't there, ppl would had shouted on the very same day :)
2020-03-24 12:10 <anniepoo> sure
2020-03-24 12:11 <Ubit> well im talking about opensim zip files from our site
2020-03-24 12:11 <anniepoo> I'm using .tar.gz
2020-03-24 12:14 <Ubit> yeap also there
2020-03-24 12:14 <Ubit> mb a anti-virus?
2020-03-24 12:14 <anniepoo> unlikely
2020-03-24 12:14 <anniepoo> this is a linode server
2020-03-24 12:15 <anniepoo> bet you're right, some overenthusiastic 'security helper' 
2020-03-24 12:15 <Ubit> btw there is a sources package and  a bin one
2020-03-24 12:15 <anniepoo> I have the bin, I'm fairly sure
2020-03-24 12:15 <Ubit> the sources don't have the .exe
2020-03-24 12:16 <anniepoo> and the Console Client is also not there, and both are on my local machine
2020-03-24 12:16 <anniepoo> yeah, I wondered if I'd gotten sources
2020-03-24 12:16 <Ubit> ( and bin does not have the sources :p )
2020-03-24 12:17 <anniepoo> ok, I'm going to untar on local machine and sftp to my server
2020-03-24 12:17 <Ubit> ok
2020-03-24 12:17 <anniepoo> thanks for the help.
2020-03-24 12:17 <Ubit> welcome
2020-03-24 13:39 <anniepoo> https://pastebin.com/eLZAJLiJ
2020-03-24 13:40 <anniepoo> failing on startup due to some missing config file. But this is a bog standard install, followed this page
2020-03-24 13:40 <anniepoo> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Configuration
2020-03-24 13:41 <anniepoo> have tried running it as root to see if it's a perms issue (and checked perms on both OpenSim.ini and config-include/StandaloneCommon.ini
2020-03-24 13:43 <anniepoo> Include-Architecture appears to be correctly uncommented in OpenSim.ini
2020-03-24 13:52 <anniepoo> I have upgraded mono
2020-03-24 18:06 <Ubit> dev outreach seems offline, meeting at hurliman plaza
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2020-03-25 12:10 <osmantis> Bug #8675:04 Floatsam Cache - Failed to expire cached file (uuid) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8675 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-25 14:49 <osmantis> Bug #8675:04 Floatsam Cache - Failed to expire cached file (uuid) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8675 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-25 20:28 <jsync> All of the Rob Zombie fans, & Rob Zombie himself, suddenly quit posting about two weeks ago.
2020-03-25 20:29 <jsync> Look in facebook. Look around at others. It's a Modern Mystery.
2020-03-25 20:29 <jsync> Quite a lot of fans, & not prompted, not at all.
2020-03-25 21:49 <jsync> Watch the film titled "Dark Song".
2020-03-25 22:34 <Tampa> Quarantine is not doing you good is it, try to not go insane
2020-03-25 22:36 <AliciaRaven> 24 days later
2020-03-26 00:46 <danbanner> The Omega Man
2020-03-26 11:37 <jsync> Make a Virtual World model of your home.
2020-03-26 11:38 <jsync> (Reference the posts within the /zuck facebook page.)
2020-03-26 18:22 <jsync> "My God, it's almost Dark. They'll be waking up soon!!"
2020-03-26 19:12 <jsync> "The Omega Man" reminds me of various other films. It's been a while since I've actually watched this. It's sort of similar "I am Legend", "Austin Powers", "John Wick: Parabellum", & "The Stand", as well as various others that are reprising components of this same film.
2020-03-26 19:15 <jsync> Even in contexts wherein a person might not have actually remotely noted about a thing, not actually, that person might still be cognitively aware. Sort of interesting.
2020-03-26 19:15 <jsync> Rotely**
2020-03-27 03:07 <Aramis^> Omega Man, I Am Legend, and The Last Man On Earth with Vincent Price https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058700/  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Man_on_Earth_(1964_film) all based on same book but very different films
2020-03-27 03:08 <Aramis^> VP one reminds me of Dawn Of The Dead
2020-03-27 07:21 <jsync> With regards "A Dark Song", I have it programmed within my Virtual World Grid to keep the circle unbroke the while that I can still go out of my house, & keep the spell going.
2020-03-27 07:23 <Tampa> What sort of shrooms are you guys on and why are you not sharing?
2020-03-27 07:24 <jsync> It's the year 2020. Can you still reach true Reality? That's why that experiential phenomena depicted in the film titled "A Dark Song" happens, partially. The World & Reality were different priority Italy blasphemer all the Deities & Reality & professed "the one true dead god".
2020-03-27 07:25 <jsync> "Universe" means "one in reverse", & that detriments human Society.
2020-03-27 07:26 <jsync> It's not appropriate to suggest reward of murder is forgiveness & eternal life, not at all.
2020-03-27 07:27 <jsync> It's the year 2020. Can you still reach true Reality?
2020-03-27 07:28 <Tampa> You are starting to worry me
2020-03-27 07:28 <Tampa> Everything alright?
2020-03-27 07:29 <Tampa> Try opening a window
2020-03-27 07:29 <Tampa> Some fresh air
2020-03-27 07:29 <jsync> Aside of the Zeus Power Machine I designed for creating electricity with magnets attached to gears that turn a generator, it's like the film titled "ARQ" as well.
2020-03-27 07:30 <jsync> Yeah, somebody has the notion to make a magical machine, & you get worried.
2020-03-27 07:31 <jsync> Have you read any Dungeons & Dragons novels & guides? A Computer is what people would have called a "Magical Machine".
2020-03-27 07:38 <jsync> You get all the way to "somebody better take their pills", & you scare people. You better get with the program yourself, bud. Is it not moving along slow enough for ya? Are you comfortable?
2020-03-27 07:39 <jsync> You want to enslave programmers?
2020-03-27 07:39 <jsync> Did you notice the Negro Ubuntu group?
2020-03-27 07:40 <Tampa> Are you on some form of drugs?
2020-03-27 07:40 <jsync> "Dark Web". https://twitter.com/NorahCIV15
2020-03-27 07:43 <jsync> TMI? Not on topic with a group of people working together for years & years, not actually?
2020-03-27 07:43 <jsync> What's wrong, man?
2020-03-27 07:43 <jsync> 😜
2020-03-27 07:44 <jsync> I'll not Salami up the channel further, not actually. 😉
2020-03-27 07:45 <Tampa> Back to writing viewer compile docs you go, shush shush
2020-03-27 15:47 <osmantis> Bug #8677:04 Robust Table 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8677 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-03-27 17:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #6759 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-27 18:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6759: SUCCESS in 5 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6759/
2020-03-27 18:04 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: let pseudoCRC (for objcache) be per part and not just per SOG
2020-03-27 18:04 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix lludp to read pseudocrc from SOP; move region cacheID to region settings
2020-03-27 18:04 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: invalidate region cacheid on oar load
2020-03-27 18:04 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: store sop pseudocrc and region cacheID on mysql ( others later)
2020-03-27 18:32 <osmantis> Bug #8677:04 Robust Table 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8677 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-03-27 18:41 <osmantis> Bug #8677:04 Robust Table 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8677 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-27 18:50 -!- Aramis^(~Aramis@c-66-229-179-38.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has left #opensim-dev
2020-03-27 19:54 <osmantis> Bug #8677:04 Robust Table 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8677 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-27 19:57 <osmantis> Bug #8677:04 Robust Table 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8677 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-03-28 01:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #6760 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-28 01:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6760: SUCCESS in 4 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6760/
2020-03-28 01:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: store sop pseudocrc and region cacheID on PGSQL ( others later)
2020-03-28 16:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #6761 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-28 16:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6761: SUCCESS in 5 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6761/
2020-03-28 16:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: store sop pseudocrc and region cacheID on sqlite
2020-03-29 14:25 <osmantis> Bug #8675:04 Floatsam Cache - Failed to expire cached file (uuid) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8675 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-29 17:40 <Ubit> odd errors
2020-03-29 17:41 <Ubit> pll sould not unplug disks while running :p
2020-03-29 17:41 <Ubit> ( kidding)
2020-03-29 17:50 <Ubit>  m_jobQueue = new BlockingCollection<Job>(5000);
2020-03-29 17:51 <Ubit> he did unplug the disk
2020-03-29 20:15 <osmantis> Bug #8678:04 REST (Remote) Console broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8678 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-03-29 21:45 <djphil> File attachment suspect on mantis # 7717 (Affected file: 115.pdf).
2020-03-29 21:45 <djphil> At the sight of mantis 8678 I found an old mantis of me that has not been resolved to date (2015). I then noticed that he has an attachment "115.pdf" which seems to be an advertising file. I tried to delete it but I do not have access to delete the attachment. So if you have the power and a few seconds of your time, please delete it ... and why not try to help me to fix this mantis :)
2020-03-29 23:46 <Aramis^> pdf scanned clean with AVG, it's titled "Paper writing service, How to avoid stupid mistakes in translations?" I think you were being mocked, how sad
2020-03-29 23:55 <Ubit> pdf deleted
2020-03-30 00:07 <djphil> I see he was posted by "tomplatz" in 2019 ... so maybe he is the one who laughs at my bad english.
2020-03-30 00:07 <djphil> Thank you guys. ;)
2020-03-30 17:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #6762 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-30 17:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6762: SUCCESS in 5 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6762/
2020-03-30 17:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do hide hidden groups on profile
2020-03-30 21:12 <osmantis> Bug #8392:04 When Using MySQL 5.8.X (latest) , Simulator will fail to store assets 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8392 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-30 22:25 <osmantis> Bug #8392:04 When Using MySQL 5.8.X (latest) , Simulator will fail to store assets 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8392 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-31 08:38 <osmantis> Bug #8095:04 Wrong special charts with Dynamic texture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8095 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-31 08:41 <osmantis> Bug #8677:04 Robust Table 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8677 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-03-31 10:51 <osmantis> Bug #8095:04 Wrong special charts with Dynamic texture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8095 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-03-31 10:54 <osmantis> Bug #8095:04 Wrong special charts with Dynamic texture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8095 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-31 10:59 <osmantis> Bug #8095:04 Wrong special charts with Dynamic texture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8095 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-03-31 12:35 <osmantis> Bug #8095:04 Wrong special charts with Dynamic texture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8095 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-31 12:43 <osmantis> Bug #8095:04 Wrong special charts with Dynamic texture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8095 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-03-31 12:49 <osmantis> Bug #8095:04 Wrong special charts with Dynamic texture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8095 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-31 13:03 <osmantis> Bug #8095:04 Wrong special charts with Dynamic texture 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8095 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-03-31 13:04 <djphil> 
ACTION Another mysterious thing where I'm really stupid

2020-03-31 13:04 <Ubit> viewers are not written on c#, don't use .netframwork
2020-03-31 13:05 <Ubit> i have no idea what fonts they have or use
2020-03-31 13:05 <djphil> haaaaaa
2020-03-31 13:05 <djphil> and from where come viewer fonts ? from web ?
2020-03-31 13:05 <Ubit> guess embbeded on those files.. don't know
2020-03-31 13:06 <Ubit> and not a big point..  the ones opensim sees depends on the machine
2020-03-31 13:06 <Ubit> that can be a raspPI
2020-03-31 13:06 <Ubit> machine settings i mean
2020-03-31 13:06 <djphil> It would be good to know and used, right? Like that no differences ...
2020-03-31 13:07 <Ubit> utf8 and the likes are a extension to old ascii
2020-03-31 13:07 <djphil> Simply use the same Fonts/Emoji's sources ...
2020-03-31 13:07 <Ubit> but just add more bits basicly
2020-03-31 13:08 <Ubit> opensim does have own linux distrubution :p
2020-03-31 13:09 <djphil> Seems more logical using the same font pack for policies (viewer / silulator)
2020-03-31 13:09 <djphil> simulator*
2020-03-31 13:09 <Ubit> STOP
2020-03-31 13:09 <Ubit> lol
2020-03-31 13:10 <djphil> My logic disturbs :p
2020-03-31 13:10 <Ubit> what logic?
2020-03-31 13:10 <Ubit> :p
2020-03-31 13:20 <djphil> On windows 10, with word, or chrome etc, presse "windows" key + ;
2020-03-31 13:21 <djphil> That display all emoji's system fonts available
2020-03-31 13:21 <djphil> You know ?
2020-03-31 13:41 <osmantis> Bug #8679:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Extend osGetRezzingObject to detect the Npc Rezzer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8679 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-03-31 17:39 <Ubit> dev outreach seens down again 
2020-03-31 17:41 <Ubit> and seems
2020-03-31 17:45 <Tampa> somehow that doesn't surprise me
2020-03-31 17:48 <Plugh> We will have to meet in the backup location.
2020-03-31 17:48 <Ubit> just did add that to our site
2020-03-31 17:49 <Ubit> "due to tech problems with dev outreach region, meetings may also take place at region Hurliman Plaza "
2020-03-31 18:53 <jsync> The systems that have new mono don't have the libraries that the viewers need for functionality, not actually.
2020-03-31 18:56 <jsync> Debian Stretch doesn't even have the libraries that the viewer needs, not actually. The coder kids that call themselves Viewer devs didn't update for the newer libraries in all that time, not at all. I'm not sure what the point of opensim 0.9.1 is, not actually. You updated the platform for systems not compatible with the viewer, not actually.
2020-03-31 18:59 <jsync> Somebody would need to make a custom system that kept older library compatibility in order to use opensim 0.9.1 & as well keep libraries necessary for the viewer compatibility.
2020-03-31 19:49 <osmantis> Bug #8680:04 On OS 0.9.2 March28th release with PGSQL  11 - simulator initiation fails and crashes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8680 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-03-31 20:10 <osmantis> Bug #8392:04 When Using MySQL 5.8.X (latest) , Simulator will fail to store assets 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8392 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-31 20:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #6763 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-31 20:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6763: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6763/
2020-03-31 20:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update httpserver.dll  this needs testing. May not be that nice...
2020-03-31 20:53 <osmantis> Bug #8392:04 When Using MySQL 5.8.X (latest) , Simulator will fail to store assets 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8392 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-03-31 20:54 <Tampa> This whole ticket is weird
2020-03-31 20:54 <Tampa> Anyways
2020-03-31 20:54 <Tampa> Ubit, what exactly needs testing?
2020-03-31 20:55 <Ubit> regions and robust http sending
2020-03-31 20:55 <Ubit> that is all caps etc
2020-03-31 21:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #6764 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-03-31 21:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6764: SUCCESS in 4 min 40 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6764/
2020-03-31 21:08 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: httpserver send is now async
2020-03-31 21:08 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: httpserver send now has priority, use it
2020-04-02 20:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #6765 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-02 20:47 <Ubit> clan folder ??
2020-04-02 20:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6765: FAILURE in 2 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6765/
2020-04-02 20:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: replace external httpserver by embedded one (based on same code) - This may still be very bad; clean solution and runprebuild, or clone to clan folder
2020-04-02 20:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #6766 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6764 1 day 23 hr ago)
2020-04-02 20:52 <Tampa> heh
2020-04-02 20:53 <Tampa> No that is broken too
2020-04-02 20:54 <Ubit> yeap
2020-04-02 20:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6766: STILL FAILING in 1 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6766/
2020-04-02 20:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: nissing files
2020-04-02 20:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #6767 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #6764 1 day 23 hr ago)
2020-04-02 20:59 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-04-02 20:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6767: FIXED in 4 min 40 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6767/
2020-04-02 20:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: nissing files
2020-04-02 21:03 <Ubit> something tells me Dan will be hidding from me :)
2020-04-02 21:08 <Ubit> still works tampa?
2020-04-02 21:13 <Ubit> hmm linux gc def now as good as on win
2020-04-02 21:13 <Ubit> ..not as..
2020-04-02 21:17 <Ubit> well win cheats more.. putting things on disk
2020-04-02 21:19 <Ubit> well not putting..  win swap gets all at program load
2020-04-02 21:19 <Ubit> so put to swap is fast.. non op :)
2020-04-02 21:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #6768 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-04-02 21:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6768: SUCCESS in 4 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6768/
2020-04-02 21:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update a license file
2020-04-02 21:42 <Ubit> see Dan is already hidding :)
2020-04-02 21:43 <Ubit> well strange he is not here
2020-04-02 21:46 <Ubit> wb :)
2020-04-02 21:48 <Tampa> Mine is still failing.. same error, odd it does nuke the workspace and does prebuild
2020-04-02 21:48 <Ubit> ohh?
2020-04-02 21:49 <Ubit> compiled on my linux and on our jenkins
2020-04-02 21:50 <Ubit> what error ?
2020-04-02 22:00 <Tampa> OSHttpServer/HttpRequestParser.cs(194,13): error CS0103: The name '_log' does not exist in the current context [/var/lib/jenkins/workspace/OpenSim-Core/OpenSim/Framework/Servers/HttpServer/OpenSim.Framework.Servers.HttpServer.csproj]
2020-04-02 22:00 <Tampa>     0 Warning(s)
2020-04-02 22:00 <Tampa>     1 Error(s)
2020-04-02 22:01 <Tampa> Just did a manual workspace clean and letting it build now, maybe that works
2020-04-02 22:02 <Ubit> i did rename that as m_log
2020-04-02 22:02 <Ubit> you are compiling in debug?
2020-04-02 22:03 <Ubit> ok think i missed one on conditional code
2020-04-02 22:04 <Ubit> well vs rename did
2020-04-02 22:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #6769 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-02 22:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6769: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6769/
2020-04-02 22:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove a log message under cond comp
2020-04-02 22:15 <Tampa> That fixed
2020-04-02 22:16 <Ubit> cool
2020-04-02 22:16 <Ubit> you should not run it comp in debug mode now
2020-04-02 22:16 <Ubit> except for well debug :)
2020-04-02 22:56 <Plugh> clan folder and nissing files.  :)
2020-04-02 22:57 <Ubit> :)
2020-04-02 22:57 <Ubit> oops :)
2020-04-02 22:57 <Ubit> i nissed the nissing :p
2020-04-02 23:27 <Tampa> I compile as is, runprebuild and then msbuild
2020-04-02 23:28 <Ubit> yeah but for normal usage you shoud use release compile
2020-04-02 23:28 <Ubit> msbuild /p:Configuration=Release
2020-04-02 23:29 <Tampa> Would not have caught this one if I did :)
2020-04-02 23:29 <Ubit> :)
2020-04-02 23:49 <Ubit> ahhh 
2020-04-02 23:49 <Ubit> the one the is going to crash a few regions
2020-04-03 02:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #6770 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-03 02:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6770: SUCCESS in 4 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6770/
2020-04-03 02:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change response m_body send (currently not in use)
2020-04-03 02:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #6771 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-03 02:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6771: SUCCESS in 4 min 40 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6771/
2020-04-03 02:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove some dead code
2020-04-03 09:19 <osmantis> Bug #8682:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] OSSL utf-8 encode and decode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8682 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-04-03 09:36 <osmantis> Bug #8679:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Extend osGetRezzingObject to detect the Npc Rezzer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8679 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2020-04-03 10:05 <osmantis> Bug #8672:04 Motion Comms Broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8672 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-03 10:12 <osmantis> Bug #8655:04 Par Environmental Enhancement Project 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8655 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-03 13:42 <osmantis> Bug #8682:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] OSSL utf-8 encode and decode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8682 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-03 13:47 <osmantis> Bug #8681:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Allow to Set First and Last name of a Npc without create new one 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8681 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-03 13:50 <Tampa> djphil, osNPCSet(uuid, [NPC_FIRST_NAME, Lady, NPC_LAST_NAME, Gaga]); Imo it makes more sense to treat them that way then to make dozens of functions for them
2020-04-03 13:56 <djphil> You mean that you plan to add a constant benefit in the future for this possible new function "osNPCSet"   lol
2020-04-03 13:57 <djphil> Let's say that I started from the same idea as profile image and profile about ...
2020-04-03 13:57 <Tampa> It just makes no sense to me to have so many functions for the npc stuff for every single little thing you can do to them
2020-04-03 13:57 <Tampa> A set function with a list seems to make more sense
2020-04-03 13:57 <Tampa> And you can set things in one go
2020-04-03 13:57 <Tampa> We treat prims this way, why not npcs
2020-04-03 13:58 <djphil> By cons I am more reluctant for NPC vs Npc ... it is already different for some functions and it's annoying that it does not always the same. I mean always NPC or always Npc ... but not once NPC and another time Npc. Make it simple and standardize
2020-04-03 14:00 <Tampa> You mean the functions being lower or uppercase?
2020-04-03 14:00 <Tampa> Well that's actually easy to fix, just rename them in code or add an alias to allow both ways
2020-04-03 14:00 <djphil> I have nothing against a general function as you suggest ... simply I had thought of something that looks like osNpcSetProfileImage (which we already have) and I thought that osNpcSetFirstName matched well ...
2020-04-03 14:01 <Tampa> llSetScale vs llSetPrimitiveParams(scale)
2020-04-03 14:01 <Tampa> There are ll functions for things you can do with setprimitive
2020-04-03 14:01 <Tampa> like textures
2020-04-03 14:01 <Tampa> scale
2020-04-03 14:01 <Tampa> etc
2020-04-03 14:02 <djphil> I don't want to modify the code just for myself ... but for the whole community
2020-04-03 14:02 <Tampa> It just seems to be it is easier to deal with npcs by just giving them all the parameters you want in one function rather than multiple
2020-04-03 14:02 <Tampa> Well I am making a feature request so to speak
2020-04-03 14:03 <Tampa> osNPCGet and osNPCSet 
2020-04-03 14:03 <djphil> For my a specific function or a general function it's good
2020-04-03 14:04 <Tampa> The analogy you gave for changing an npc over to female you could do with one function then or even if you keep appearance, changing name and group title with one function instead of 3
2020-04-03 14:04 <djphil> the name I proposed was simply a suggestion based on the syntax of existing functions ... simply
2020-04-03 14:04 <Tampa> Yes that's fine
2020-04-03 14:04 <Tampa> Could even add those no problem
2020-04-03 14:04 <Tampa> Like I said, llSetScale and llSetPrimitiveParams do have redundancy to them
2020-04-03 14:04 <Tampa> Both can do the same
2020-04-03 14:05 <Tampa> Just saying at this point why not also add a function that modifies npcs based on list like llSetPrimitiveParams
2020-04-03 14:05 <djphil> Your idea of a general function is of course as well. And I would love to be able to change the look and the name all at once too
2020-04-03 14:06 <Tampa> The great thing about a general function like that is the code needed to execute the changes already exists in the form of the existing npc functions
2020-04-03 14:06 <Tampa> So all it really does is take the list and create those function calls
2020-04-03 14:06 <djphil> It goes beyond my skills ^^
2020-04-03 14:07 <Tampa> I may even be able to figure that out, but I had like 3 hours of sleep last night so probably not today
2020-04-03 14:08 <Tampa> Maybe we can coax someone into doing it, cough Ubit cough cough
2020-04-03 14:08 <Tampa> :)
2020-04-03 14:08 <djphil> From my point of view, a specific function is good and also a global function. Even if it seems a little redundant
2020-04-03 14:09 <djphil> The main thing for me is to be able to do it :)
2020-04-03 14:09 <djphil> Maybee a RedBull can help you a little :p
2020-04-03 14:28 <osmantis> Bug #8681:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Allow to Set First and Last name of a Npc without create new one 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8681 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-04-03 14:35 <osmantis> Bug #8682:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] OSSL utf-8 encode and decode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8682 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-04-03 14:38 <djphil> Oops i reversed the answer for 8682 with 8681 :p
2020-04-03 14:47 <Ubit> osEncodeUTF8 what where?
2020-04-03 14:47 <Ubit> LSL does not byte or byte array
2020-04-03 14:50 <djphil> osDecodeUTF8(llJsonGetValue(json, [0, "data"]));
2020-04-03 14:51 <Ubit> that returns a string
2020-04-03 14:52 <djphil> true
2020-04-03 14:52 <djphil> but clean
2020-04-03 14:52 <Ubit> already utf8, well not,  but details
2020-04-03 14:53 <djphil> if json source have special charts (é à è) and the source file isn't saved as utf-8 document
2020-04-03 14:53 <Ubit> who say so?
2020-04-03 14:53 <djphil> if the source is saved as ANSI or simple text file
2020-04-03 14:54 <djphil> that cause problem
2020-04-03 14:54 <Ubit> well of course not
2020-04-03 14:55 <Ubit> but if that gets broken it is not reparable
2020-04-03 14:55 <djphil> for exemple look this json file https://epistat.sciensano.be/Data/COVID19BE_CASES_AGESEX.json
2020-04-03 14:55 <djphil> you can see Li�ge
2020-04-03 14:55 <djphil> that wrong !!!
2020-04-03 14:55 <Ubit> no
2020-04-03 14:55 <Ubit> i see it right
2020-04-03 14:55 <djphil> correct name is Liège, not Li�ge
2020-04-03 14:55 <Ubit> "Liège",
2020-04-03 14:55 <djphil> yes
2020-04-03 14:56 <Ubit> "Liège"
2020-04-03 14:56 <Ubit> i see it right
2020-04-03 14:56 <Tampa> Bow before my Ö
2020-04-03 14:56 <Tampa> lol
2020-04-03 14:56 <djphil> me no, i see Li�ge
2020-04-03 14:57 <Ubit> well thats the uft-8 "fun"
2020-04-03 14:57 <djphil> screenshot https://ibb.co/C18WxVv
2020-04-03 14:57 <djphil> i see that
2020-04-03 14:57 <djphil> bc the source file isn't saved as utf-8 ... but is a simple text
2020-04-03 14:57 <Ubit> you to take my word, not doing a screen shot
2020-04-03 14:58 <Ubit> that sounds like a issue with yr brower
2020-04-03 14:58 <djphil> :o
2020-04-03 14:58 <djphil> is Chrome by default ...
2020-04-03 14:58 <djphil> in French
2020-04-03 14:58 <djphil> and i see error when i use it with LSL
2020-04-03 14:58 <djphil> ...
2020-04-03 14:59 <Ubit> utf-8 does change with lang selected
2020-04-03 14:59 <Ubit> but those should work
2020-04-03 14:59 <djphil> why i have erreor with LSL is the source is OK ...
2020-04-03 14:59 <Ubit> guess chrom decide that is ascii
2020-04-03 14:59 <djphil> opensim too then ...
2020-04-03 14:59 <Ubit> not going there
2020-04-03 14:59 <Ubit> :p
2020-04-03 14:59 <djphil> Hehe :p
2020-04-03 15:00 <Ubit> oyu need to stay within "safe" symbols
2020-04-03 15:00 <djphil> in 2020 ...
2020-04-03 15:00 <Ubit> yeah
2020-04-03 15:00 <djphil> Wow !!! big progres
2020-04-03 15:00 <Ubit> this is like ascII
2020-04-03 15:01 <Ubit> just larger codepages
2020-04-03 15:02 <djphil> I would just like to be able to display the original data correctly and currently it is simply not possible (unless I go through my php server to reprocess the data with send them to opensim, which is tedious).
2020-04-03 15:03 <Ubit> no idea
2020-04-03 15:03 <Ubit> my edge shown that fine
2020-04-03 15:04 <djphil> form me is fine with Edge
2020-04-03 15:04 <djphil> but not with Chrome AND not withLSL
2020-04-03 15:04 <djphil> with LSL *
2020-04-03 15:04 <djphil> Try with LSL you will see
2020-04-03 15:05 <Ubit> lsl also dependes on viewers ideas
2020-04-03 15:05 <djphil> i'm on FS
2020-04-03 15:07 <Ubit> llSay(0, "Script running Liège");
2020-04-03 15:07 <Ubit> [08:07] Object: Script running Liège
2020-04-03 15:07 <djphil> Grrr from json source i give you
2020-04-03 15:07 <djphil> https://epistat.sciensano.be/Data/COVID19BE_CASES_AGESEX.json
2020-04-03 15:08 <Ubit> no way im going to test that :p
2020-04-03 15:09 <djphil> lol
2020-04-03 15:10 <Ubit> edge on view source shows "Li�ge" lol
2020-04-03 15:10 <djphil> Haaaaa :)
2020-04-03 15:11 <djphil> You believe me now ? :p
2020-04-03 15:11 <Ubit> i didn't question
2020-04-03 15:11 <Ubit> i said it was a ch issue
2020-04-03 15:11 <Ubit> not detecting utfp8
2020-04-03 15:12 <Ubit> smae as edge debug
2020-04-03 15:12 <djphil> the source file isn't saced as utf-8
2020-04-03 15:12 <djphil> saved*
2020-04-03 15:12 <djphil> (i mean encoded as utf-8 when saved)
2020-04-03 15:12 <djphil> is saved as simple text file
2020-04-03 15:12 <djphil> that the problem ... ( i think )
2020-04-03 15:13 <Ubit> lol not it shown fine
2020-04-03 15:13 <Ubit> niw
2020-04-03 15:13 <Ubit> and now
2020-04-03 15:13 <Ubit> grr
2020-04-03 15:13 <Ubit> i just did reopen and the debugger now shows fine
2020-04-03 15:13 <djphil> i see n02�01w :p
2020-04-03 15:13 <Ubit> "PROVINCE":"Liège",
2020-04-03 15:14 <djphil> The probleme isn't for navigator, the probleme is with LSL
2020-04-03 15:14 <Ubit> yeap i need to open the json forti to use utf8
2020-04-03 15:14 <Ubit> lsl has no issues
2020-04-03 15:14 <Ubit> :p
2020-04-03 15:15 <Ubit> well i the proposed funct would solve nothing
2020-04-03 15:15 <djphil> .... sure ?
2020-04-03 15:15 <djphil> with php that solve ...
2020-04-03 15:16 <Ubit> those func exite in languages but to convert to and from bytes
2020-04-03 15:16 <djphil> with notepadd++ if you save the original source as utf-8 document, that solve too the problem
2020-04-03 15:17 <djphil> and this  http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/UTF-8
2020-04-03 15:17 <Ubit> and thatdecison on json is not even on our code
2020-04-03 15:17 <djphil> solve nothing ...
2020-04-03 15:17 <Ubit> we use a lib to decode json
2020-04-03 15:18 <Ubit> case LitJson.JsonType.String:
2020-04-03 15:18 <Ubit>                     string s = (string)elem;
2020-04-03 15:19 <djphil> explained the problem encountered with LSL and json decode function of LSL and pointed out that there is a problem.
2020-04-03 15:22 <djphil> maybe the problem is with http server request ... i don't know
2020-04-03 15:22 <Ubit> and changing .net version may change odd chars also
2020-04-03 15:23 <Ubit> Starting with the .NET Framework 4.6.2, Unicode characters are classified based on The Unicode Standard, Version 8.0.0. In versions of the .NET Framework from the .NET Framework 4 to the .NET Framework 4.6.1, they are classified based on The Unicode Standard, Version 6.3.0.
2020-04-03 15:24 <djphil> This is the mime type a add to my lsl request
2020-04-03 15:24 <djphil> HTTP_MIMETYPE, "application/json;charset=utf-8",
2020-04-03 15:24 <djphil> and i have try too without ;charset=utf-8
2020-04-03 15:24 <djphil> both no work proprely
2020-04-03 15:24 <Ubit> ( on some docs ms warns that utf-8 transfer across systems and versions is not garanted
2020-04-04 09:14 <osmantis> Bug #8392:04 When Using MySQL 5.8.X (latest) , Simulator will fail to store assets 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8392 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-04-04 09:14 <djphil> Interessing ...
2020-04-04 09:19 <osmantis> Bug #8681:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Allow to Set First and Last name of a Npc without create new one 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8681 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-04-04 09:22 <osmantis> Bug #8681:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Allow to Set First and Last name of a Npc without create new one 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8681 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-04 09:25 <osmantis> Bug #8682:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] OSSL utf-8 encode and decode 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8682 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-04-04 09:39 <osmantis> Bug #8683:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Add support for TOS 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8683 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-04-04 09:44 <osmantis> Bug #8684:04 Add support for Abuse Reports 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8684 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-04-04 09:49 <osmantis> Bug #8684:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Add support for Abuse Reports 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8684 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2020-04-04 09:55 <osmantis> Bug #8685:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Add support for Avatar Picker 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8685 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-04-04 09:57 <djphil> Sorry for all these mantis reports ...
2020-04-04 09:57 <djphil> I just want to point this out and also understand why ...;)
2020-04-04 09:57 <djphil> Thanks for your understanding. :)
2020-04-04 10:26 <osmantis> Bug #8547:04 [COLLISIONS IMPROVEMENT REQUEST] Make llDetectedLinkNumber working when llVolumeDetect is set to TRUE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8547 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2020-04-04 10:27 <osmantis> Bug #8547:04 [COLLISIONS IMPROVEMENT REQUEST] Make llDetectedLinkNumber working when llVolumeDetect is set to TRUE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8547 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2020-04-04 11:35 <djphil> Hi guys, I saw that the new Singularitu Beta 1.8.9 Beta had implemented SL "Experiences". Does this mean that Opensim will also implement "Experiences"?
2020-04-04 11:35 <Ubit> no
2020-04-04 11:35 <djphil> Arfff lol
2020-04-04 11:35 <Ubit> ( and that is not new )
2020-04-04 11:36 <djphil> Not new for singu you lean ?
2020-04-04 11:36 <djphil> mean*
2020-04-04 11:36 <Ubit> not for sl
2020-04-04 11:36 <djphil> ha ok
2020-04-04 11:37 <Ubit> and new alch and sing may not be for opensim at all
2020-04-04 11:37 <djphil> Yes i know isn't new, i have already requested that for Opensim in the past lol :p
2020-04-04 14:52 <Tampa> Linden: Creates a world where everyone can do things together.. Also Linden: Create separate instances for people to do stuff on their own
2020-04-04 14:53 <Tampa> I find experiences weird, they don't really have much use outside of some idk things that coulda been a movie or whatever
2020-04-04 14:53 <Tampa> Like playing these interactive videogame movie things where you get to play like half an hour and watch stuff for 10 hours
2020-04-04 15:02 <osmantis> Bug #8681:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Allow to Set First and Last name of a Npc without create new one 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8681 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-04 15:09 <osmantis> Bug #8684:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Add support for Abuse Reports 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8684 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-04 15:13 <osmantis> Bug #8685:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Add support for Avatar Picker 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8685 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-04 15:14 <osmantis> Bug #8683:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Add support for TOS 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8683 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-04 15:16 <osmantis> Bug #8392:04 When Using MySQL 5.8.X (latest) , Simulator will fail to store assets 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8392 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-04 15:17 <Tampa> Abuse reports are one of those things that, if you need them at all somethings going wrong
2020-04-04 17:57 <osmantis> Bug #8684:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Add support for Abuse Reports 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8684 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-04-04 18:02 <osmantis> Bug #8683:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Add support for TOS 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8683 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-04-04 18:13 <osmantis> Bug #8685:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Add support for Avatar Picker 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8685 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-04-04 18:16 <djphil> Does anyone know how to operate the 3 options of the viewer namely Facebook, Twitter and Flickr? features that seem to not currently work in Opensim ?
2020-04-04 18:17 <Ubit> ll even did removed that now
2020-04-04 18:18 <djphil> You mean you removed this from opensim?
2020-04-04 18:19 <Ubit> ll removed that from viewers
2020-04-04 18:19 <djphil> ha ok, i didn't know.
2020-04-04 18:19 <djphil> I often tried to make it work but I never succeeded
2020-04-04 18:19 <Ubit> i have none of those :p
2020-04-04 18:20 <djphil> lol
2020-04-04 18:20 <djphil> Why did you delete it?
2020-04-04 18:20 <djphil> Don't you find this interesting?
2020-04-04 18:20 <Ubit> i deleted??
2020-04-04 18:20 <djphil> removed *
2020-04-04 18:20 <Ubit> im not ll :p
2020-04-04 18:21 <djphil> ll = Linden Lab ?
2020-04-04 18:21 <Ubit> no i don't find fb interesting
2020-04-04 18:22 <djphil> to promote gri, events etc ...  it is
2020-04-04 18:22 <djphil> grid*
2020-04-04 22:11 <osmantis> Bug #8684:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Add support for Abuse Reports 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8684 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-04 22:21 <osmantis> Bug #8685:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Add support for Avatar Picker 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8685 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-04 22:22 <Tampa> I don't think I have bothered to setup a destination guide so far, seems most just end up using some google calendar for that
2020-04-04 22:22 <Tampa> Though I do wonder what all could be done with it
2020-04-05 04:52 <djphil> For destination guide see https://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2015/04/how-to-create-a-destination-guide-for-your-grid/ or https://aiaustin.wordpress.com/2014/07/17/enabling-the-viewer-destination-guide-for-opensim-grids/ tampa
2020-04-05 07:18 <osmantis> Bug #8686:04 hypergrid hud's Bug I tink? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8686 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-04-05 10:29 <djphil> Anyone know if set  a script state to false reduce the memory usage ?
2020-04-05 10:31 <djphil> This is a question asked on the Osgrid forum and I do not know for sure and it is difficult to know it under Windows because the functions to know the memory usage by the script in the object does not work.
2020-04-06 11:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #6772 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-06 11:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6772: SUCCESS in 4 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6772/
2020-04-06 11:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix rez time on inworld object copy
2020-04-06 15:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #6773 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-06 15:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6773: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6773/
2020-04-06 15:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reduce httppipeline depth
2020-04-07 17:59 <Ubit> meeting can be at dev outreach... it seems fine
2020-04-07 18:05 <Ubit> plugh's cat.. meow outreach meow!
2020-04-07 18:07 <Plugh> She picked the wrong time to ask for play time. 
2020-04-07 23:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #6774 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-07 23:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6774: FAILURE in 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6774/
2020-04-07 23:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: send parcels onwership change updates to all avatars that may want it
2020-04-07 23:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #6775 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6773 1 day 7 hr ago)
2020-04-07 23:12 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-04-07 23:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6775: FIXED in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6775/
2020-04-07 23:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file
2020-04-08 00:36 <jsync> Those 4 subcolumns written last night to the "Opensimulator Community Conference" page were written for the good of the OpenSim platform project, the safety of Mayans, the safety of Negros, the s
2020-04-08 00:37 <jsync> & good Sociological contexts to result, & then the "Opensimu
2020-04-08 00:37 <jsync> Th
2020-04-08 00:38 <jsync> & then the "Opensimulator Community Conference" page admin deleted the subcolumns.
2020-04-08 00:39 <jsync> Those 4 subcolumns were written for the safety of white Americans & British people as well.
2020-04-08 00:40 <jsync> Those 4 subcolumns were written for the safety of Persians & Asians.
2020-04-08 00:40 <jsync> Those 4 subcolumns were written for the safety of legal protection of Literacy.
2020-04-08 00:41 <jsync> *Shrugs*
2020-04-08 00:41 <jsync> What?!
2020-04-08 00:42 <jsync> & all you have to do is delete it?! Is that what you "believe"?
2020-04-08 00:43 <jsync> MOST COUNTRIES OF THE PLANET SAW THOSE POSTS. What do you have to say, white Racist Terrorists?!
2020-04-08 00:45 <jsync> I'll spell out reason & logic like it's a simple BOOLEAN program.
2020-04-08 00:47 <jsync> 1) "I am the Red Devil", if you want a quote about that context.
2020-04-08 00:47 <jsync> 2) Don't tell people all that's comprehended, not actually. 😉
2020-04-08 00:49 <jsync> 3) Not all people are the same, not actually, though the deletion of those posts surpassed the finest historically documented confession of TERRORISM in any American history book.
2020-04-08 00:51 <jsync> 4) "& he's the Red Devil, for what that means as well" amidst rumors about those 4 subcolumns.
2020-04-08 00:52 <jsync> I argued FOR Opensim Education services.
2020-04-08 00:52 <jsync> "Services", you C# programmers on the dev team.
2020-04-08 00:56 <jsync> ALL the Libraries required for the Snowglobe based Viewer functionality are either not available in newer Operating System releases, not actually, or are at EOL Status. 26000+ files within Firestorm. Should people be put to overhaul or rewrite that? What are you gonna do? Take a wild guess?!
2020-04-08 00:57 <jsync> "Awe, shucky darns"?
2020-04-08 00:58 <jsync> https://opensimviewer.support/wiki
2020-04-08 00:58 <jsync> Do you want that much?
2020-04-08 00:59 <jsync> You want to tell me to "piss off" later?
2020-04-08 00:59 <jsync> 😃
2020-04-08 01:01 <jsync> (I'll wait in case somebody wants to say something, though I would just leave the room for a while & gauge the situation later. I'm not suggesting that people start raising their hands nec
2020-04-08 01:02 <jsync> , not actually.)
2020-04-08 01:04 <jsync> Do 'christians' like rain & various other types of weather, or do they want a "new heaven & new earth", & a flat planet perhaps. Something sort of simple?
2020-04-08 01:05 <jsync> Priori the Lutheran Protestant Reformation of the late 16th Century, only clergy members of the satholic church could learn to read & write.
2020-04-08 01:06 <danbanner> put the pipe down
2020-04-08 01:07 <jsync> It's not till the 17th Century that particular other educated people could publish, not actually.
2020-04-08 01:08 <jsync> The "Peace Pipe" you mean?
2020-04-08 01:09 <jsync> You speaking for everybody, danbanner, or just yourself?
2020-04-08 01:12 <jsync> "YOD HQET VAV HEH" means "Cast your burdens on the Lord" in Hebrew, you white people that finally learned how to read for the first time in your white history.
2020-04-08 01:13 <jsync> That's as well corroborated in the "Rule of Benedict" of Nursia.
2020-04-08 01:14 <jsync> That sufficiently establishes that 'christianity' is blasphemy in itself.
2020-04-08 01:15 <jsync> That as well makes accommodation to not blame the Jewes, not actually.
2020-04-08 01:17 <jsync> "Jack the Ripper" had intended to stop the births of the most respect
2020-04-08 01:17 <jsync> Rejectable** of people.
2020-04-08 01:18 <jsync> (Sort of an interesting note, perhaps, since I commented about education.)
2020-04-08 01:25 <jsync> The various Tribes of Mayans actually already had their own language systems, & stone buildings, & musical instruments, & so forth, & were focused upon respect for the animals. Separate the context, the lack of reasonable conduct of white people is still quite astonishing. There are "rons'
2020-04-08 01:27 <jsync> 'Reasons' that white people are like that, considering the history of white people. White people only recently started learning to read & have their own oppressive & terroristic history. To t
2020-04-08 01:28 <jsync> That white people would attack Mayans & Negros only detriments the ONLY HOPE white people had.
2020-04-08 01:30 <jsync> If I need to give long term acquaintances a speech to help put things to a perspective, then perhaps that surpasses "necessity" & long overdue appropriate "priority".
2020-04-08 13:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #6776 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-04-08 13:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6776: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6776/
2020-04-08 13:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: more changes on http server low level
2020-04-08 13:46 <Tampa> What's that supposed to fix?
2020-04-08 13:48 <Ubit> who said it is a fix?
2020-04-08 13:48 <Ubit> :p
2020-04-08 13:49 <Ubit> gezz police tampa now? :p
2020-04-08 13:49 <Tampa> No, just wondering
2020-04-08 13:50 <Ubit> well its commit tells more changes on http server sending
2020-04-08 13:51 <Tampa> I just read the commitdiff and wonder what the aim is. Like what do you want to improve that is currently broken or not working correctly
2020-04-08 13:52 <Tampa> That's what I am wondering about
2020-04-08 14:19 <CrasherRob> You got me curious. I just read the diff and wonder how both the before and after versions could even compile. Ints changed to floats, renamed variables without diff in variable declares., etc. Some timeouts changed, ok. However, you didn't get me curious enough to look into it deeper than the diffs, and not even really deeply there. So, to both of you, keep up the good work.
2020-04-08 14:56 <Ubit> ??
2020-04-08 14:56 <Ubit> of course rename works if all changed files present
2020-04-08 14:58 <Ubit> and those renames happened on declarations also, of course
2020-04-08 14:58 <Ubit> not sure what you are seeing
2020-04-08 15:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #6777 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-08 15:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6777: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6777/
2020-04-08 15:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: stop a vivox error
2020-04-08 16:20 <CrasherRob> Ubit, It's not important. It's just that I'm confused about some of the changes. (So what.) 
2020-04-08 16:20 <CrasherRob> -                    if (now - m_lastTimeOutCheckTime > 1000)
2020-04-08 16:20 <CrasherRob> +                    if (now - m_lastTimeOutCheckTime > 1.0)
2020-04-08 16:20 <Ubit> compile knows
2020-04-08 16:21 <CrasherRob> Changes int to float and 1000 to 1.0. That fact that this is beyond me shouldn't bother you in the slightest.
2020-04-08 16:21 <Ubit> well and actually did fix the format 
2020-04-08 16:22 <Ubit>        private static double m_lastTimeOutCheckTime = 0;
2020-04-08 16:22 <Ubit>         private static double m_lastSendCheckTime = 0;
2020-04-08 16:22 <Ubit> they are doubles
2020-04-08 16:22 <CrasherRob> OK, but my incomplete knowledge is not your problem. It would be mine if I cared enough.
2020-04-08 16:23 <Ubit> guess it is all actually coerent
2020-04-08 16:23 <Ubit> not making compiler guess :)
2020-04-08 16:25 <Tampa> I still don't fully get what "problem" this is solving, that's what I am wondering about, what specific thing is improved now with those changes and what was happening before that?
2020-04-08 16:25 <CrasherRob> You've got enough on your plate without my noise. So thanks. But I don't need anything explained. My intent was just to say I share in not understanding. Just not as coherently as Tamp.
2020-04-08 16:25 <CrasherRob> Tampa. 
2020-04-08 16:26 <Tampa> I could read the whole code associated and probably figure it out, but that would take some time
2020-04-08 16:27 <Tampa> My main concern is that throttles changed or introduced, while generally a good thing, may impact performance elsewhere. So much stuff is connected in the code, if I get reports of stuff slowing down I wanna know if this is just some network overload or a throttle being hit too often
2020-04-08 16:28 <Tampa> Ideally things would adjust depending on the load level, what type etc, but to account for all that in code is impossible so some generalization needs to be assumed
2020-04-08 16:28 <CrasherRob> I'm not going to comment further. Everything I've said here today is just noise. Including this.
2020-04-08 16:29 <Tampa> So I want to understand what is changing so I can try and alter it further to see if I can either break it or improve it, do some tests with different variables etc
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2020-04-09 12:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #6778 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-09 12:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6778: SUCCESS in 4 min 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6778/
2020-04-09 12:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
2020-04-09 12:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #6779 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-09 13:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6779: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6779/
2020-04-09 13:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
2020-04-09 15:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #6780 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-09 15:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6780: FAILURE in 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6780/
2020-04-09 15:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: flag baked texture assets
2020-04-09 15:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #6781 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6779 2 hr 17 min ago)
2020-04-09 15:16 <Ubit> of course
2020-04-09 15:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6781: STILL FAILING in 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6781/
2020-04-09 15:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: http asset send: prioritize baked textures
2020-04-09 15:17 <Ubit> ohh the fail was older
2020-04-09 15:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #6782 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #6779 2 hr 18 min ago)
2020-04-09 15:19 <Ubit> hmm or not better wait :)
2020-04-09 15:22 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-04-09 15:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6782: FIXED in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6782/
2020-04-09 15:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file
2020-04-09 17:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #6783 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-04-09 17:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6783: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6783/
2020-04-09 17:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: yeack increase TimeoutMaxIdle again for now
2020-04-09 19:22 <osmantis> Bug #8687:04 [Land Connector]: remote call returned an error: Requested method [land_data] not found  (0.9.1.1 Yeti Dev) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8687 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-04-09 19:25 <osmantis> Bug #8687:04 [Land Connector]: remote call returned an error: Requested method [land_data] not found  (0.9.1.1 Yeti Dev) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8687 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-04-09 19:26 <osmantis> Bug #8687:04 [Land Connector]: remote call returned an error: Requested method [land_data] not found  (0.9.1.1 Yeti Dev) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8687 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-04-10 00:04 <osmantis> Bug #8686:04 hypergrid hud's Bug I tink? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8686 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2020-04-10 21:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #6784 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-10 21:55 <Ubit> clean and runprebuild needed
2020-04-10 21:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6784: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6784/
2020-04-10 21:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove excess garbage
2020-04-10 21:59 <djphil> Will this improve the special characters obtained by http requests?
2020-04-10 21:59 <Ubit> no
2020-04-10 22:00 <djphil> oki
2020-04-10 22:00 <Ubit> just taking some useless work out of gc
2020-04-10 22:00 <Ubit> and cpu
2020-04-10 22:01 <Ubit> once i called it "useless changes" or similar :p
2020-04-10 22:02 <Ubit> but then most time all work on opensim core seems just useless
2020-04-10 22:02 <djphil> Why do you say that ? :o
2020-04-10 22:03 <Ubit> all clever ppl work on private forks of it, and even make $ out of that :p
2020-04-10 22:04 <djphil> You don't need all of that to make $ ...
2020-04-10 22:05 <Ubit> i tried one to print monopoly money... ppl found.. danng
2020-04-10 22:05 <Ubit> ..once..
2020-04-10 22:06 <Ubit> can't even fool with monopoly $
2020-04-10 22:12 <djphil> Even if you are not connected to real money you can still get real money ... a money module does not prevent this and will never prevent it. Monopoly money remains a pleasure ... well, I mean a "dream" :p
2020-04-10 22:12 <Tampa> You say that like you don't get anything in return
2020-04-10 22:12 <Tampa> I spare what I can
2020-04-10 22:13 <Ubit> and thanks for that :)
2020-04-10 22:13 <djphil> If you start counting you will be disappointed ...
2020-04-10 22:13 <Ubit> count what?
2020-04-10 22:14 <djphil> money money
2020-04-10 22:14 <Ubit> well one needs to count it no not get fooled on exchange etc :p
2020-04-10 22:14 <Tampa> I mean I suppose I could probably spend even more supporting the project if some of the mantis tickets I made would get done, I have code bounties allocated for those still
2020-04-10 22:15 <Ubit> wonder why they are still there ... ;)
2020-04-10 22:15 <Ubit> but well jenkins did not reject the changes
2020-04-10 22:41 <Tampa> The estate config thing honestly I provided everything to solve that in a reasonable manner, the rest, maybe yeah
2020-04-11 09:21 <osmantis> Bug #8686:04 hypergrid hud's Bug I tink? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8686 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-11 09:23 <osmantis> Bug #8687:04 [Land Connector]: remote call returned an error: Requested method [land_data] not found  (0.9.1.1 Yeti Dev) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8687 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-11 10:57 <osmantis> Bug #8686:04 hypergrid hud's Bug I tink? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8686 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-11 14:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #6785 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-11 14:20 <Ubit> go jenkins.. you can do it
2020-04-11 14:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6785: SUCCESS in 5 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6785/
2020-04-11 14:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: http server: change uri query handling
2020-04-11 14:21 <Ubit> good jenkins... 
2020-04-11 15:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #6786 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-11 15:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6786: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6786/
2020-04-11 15:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: http server useless changes
2020-04-11 18:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #6787 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-11 18:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6787: SUCCESS in 4 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6787/
2020-04-11 18:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: http server change remote endpoint handling
2020-04-11 19:15 <diva_> FYI, Burning Man is going virtual https://journal.burningman.org/2020/04/news/official-announcements/brc-2020-update/
2020-04-11 19:26 <Tampa> That... seems counter to what they are for.. who am I kidding that thing isn't what it used to anymore either
2020-04-11 19:34 <diva_> it's not like they have any options this year... pretty much all large gatherings of people will be cancelled for the rest of the year, and maybe even beyond
2020-04-11 19:35 <diva_> thye mention SL on their form. I think they still don't know what to do. I hope OpenSim will be part of this, one way or another!
2020-04-11 19:38 <Ubit> guess someone whould need to provide them "all done" from grid and regions to full contents
2020-04-11 19:41 <diva_> there are plenty of tech-savvy ppl in the BM community
2020-04-11 19:44 <diva_> I know that SL already reached out to the BM organization
2020-04-11 19:45 <Ubit> i bet
2020-04-11 19:45 <Ubit> was fun to see them on that last edu conference
2020-04-11 19:52 <Tampa> Doesn't metro have like desert regions on there
2020-04-11 21:10 <diva_> does anyone know where the viewers store the encrypted user password?
2020-04-11 21:24 <Ubit> guess somewhere on the rooming folder
2020-04-11 21:24 <Ubit> or local
2020-04-11 21:25 <Ubit> well folders on local are empty
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2020-04-12 17:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #6788 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-12 17:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6788: SUCCESS in 4 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6788/
2020-04-12 17:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ate least one viewer for androide does not decode correctly llsd, go back send more useless data, to suport them. this should be reverted one day
2020-04-12 17:16 <Tampa> Ubit, ever thought of idk "Support legacy llsd = true" in config rather than hardcoding this?
2020-04-12 17:19 <Ubit> not friendly to code as option
2020-04-12 17:24 <Ubit> issue is that it does not decode <boolean /> and <real />
2020-04-12 17:25 <Ubit> a damm easy fix on the app..  but dev gone
2020-04-12 17:27 <Ubit> "ate" ?? :)
2020-04-12 17:29 <Tampa> Which viewer is that specifically?
2020-04-12 17:30 <Ubit> lum somthing
2020-04-12 17:32 <Ubit> but well till recently we where sending things like <real>0.0000000000001</real>
2020-04-12 17:33 <Ubit> so guess we will survice a bit more
2020-04-12 17:33 <Ubit> ( i didn't count the zeros.. shhh )
2020-04-12 17:34 <Tampa> lumiya? It doesn't work with var and half the prims mesh stuff, it has been removed from the play store already you can only get it via apk
2020-04-12 17:34 <Ubit> it does
2020-04-12 17:34 <Ubit> and 3d seems just a code waste on that :)
2020-04-12 17:35 <Ubit> hmm we could had a option for text viewers only
2020-04-12 17:35 <Ubit> not sending prims etc
2020-04-12 17:35 <Ubit> well if we had many of those :p
2020-04-12 22:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #6789 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-12 22:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6789: SUCCESS in 4 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6789/
2020-04-12 22:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update scriptSyntax
2020-04-13 11:32 <Ai_Austin> Hi... the commit at 2020-04-10 21:52  (197)  remove excess garbage is throwing a compile error for Diva Wifi addon.
2020-04-13 11:33 <Ai_Austin>   Request.cs(59,29): error CS0029: Cannot implicitly convert type 'System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary<string, string>' to 'System.Collections.Hashtable' [D:\Temp\opensim-0.9.2.0Dev-202-gd1f1324\addon-modules\01DivaUtils\Diva.Utils.csproj]
2020-04-13 12:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #6790 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-13 12:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6790: SUCCESS in 4 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6790/
2020-04-13 12:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix recent bug on Urlmodule
2020-04-13 13:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #6791 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-13 13:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6791: FAILURE in 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6791/
2020-04-13 13:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change osrequest Query back to hashtable, add QueryAsDictionary as new better option. (recover compatibily with current external modules
2020-04-13 13:22 <Ubit> ohh well that was not suposed to be there already :)
2020-04-13 13:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #6792 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6790 39 min ago)
2020-04-13 13:34 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-04-13 13:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6792: FIXED in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6792/
2020-04-13 13:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: also expose the request client IP as seen by server port
2020-04-13 13:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #6793 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-04-13 14:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6793: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6793/
2020-04-13 14:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add request QueryFlags
2020-04-13 14:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #6794 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-13 14:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6794: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6794/
2020-04-13 14:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops fix query handling on getassets
2020-04-13 14:48 <Ai_Austin> Thanks for fix Ubit.. will test that now with Diva Wifi.
2020-04-13 14:48 <Ubit> hi ai
2020-04-13 14:48 <Ubit> ahh cool :)
2020-04-13 14:48 <Ai_Austin> Is it settled enough to try aiang?
2020-04-13 14:48 <Ai_Austin> again
2020-04-13 14:49 <Ubit> you still ask that?
2020-04-13 14:49 <Ubit> its opensim.. and me :p
2020-04-13 14:49 <Ai_Austin> :-)  Should the code be altered to use your new function going forward?
2020-04-13 14:49 <Ubit> it should be a little faster
2020-04-13 14:50 <Ubit> hastable is obsolete
2020-04-13 14:53 <Ai_Austin> Maybe it just needs the line that is             request.Query = httpRequest.Query;changing to             request.Query = httpRequest.QueryAsDictionary;
2020-04-13 14:53 <Ai_Austin> yuck. a mess.
2020-04-13 14:54 <Ai_Austin> I meant my cut and paste was a bit squiffy
2020-04-13 15:04 <Ai_Austin> Looks okay now for compile with Diva Wifi addon Ubit. Thanks
2020-04-13 15:04 <Ubit> :)
2020-04-13 15:08 <Ai_Austin> Did you see Kirstens Viewer with 3D anaglyph re./cyan 3D glasses is updated?
2020-04-13 15:08 <Ubit> no
2020-04-13 15:08 <Ai_Austin> http://blog.inf.ed.ac.uk/atate/2020/04/11/kirstens-viewer-update-with-anaglyph-3d/
2020-04-13 15:09 <Ai_Austin> Only for SL unfortunately. Must get her to add Opensim compatibility in some day :-)
2020-04-13 15:10 <Ubit> puff
2020-04-13 15:12 <Ubit> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7cCWJh4aJo
2020-04-13 15:12 <Ubit> tell her we want it to look and sound like that :p
2020-04-13 15:17 <Tampa> Kirsten is still alive, thought that viewer was dead, interesting
2020-04-13 15:17 <Ai_Austin> :-)   those main characters should be told to wear their helmets in battle
2020-04-13 15:18 <Ai_Austin> it works great
2020-04-13 15:19 <Ai_Austin> !! and the girl nees WAAAY more armour
2020-04-13 15:19 <Tampa> I am stockpiling popcorn for the day SL dies and all those folks come running in here crying for purpose
2020-04-13 15:19 <Ubit> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhCECRwGmdI
2020-04-13 15:20 <Ai_Austin> Then again, maybe she does not need it with those powers
2020-04-13 15:20 <Ubit> :)
2020-04-13 15:22 <Ubit> this have a bit more armour well some
2020-04-13 15:26 <Ubit> this also have some https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vys1QJo75pQ
2020-04-13 15:27 <Ubit> i also show this to Beq telling how fs should look on opensim.. but nahh
2020-04-13 15:31 <Ubit> ladies of course.. no armour.. it hides their pretty lines :p
2020-04-13 15:31 <Ubit> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwKuTc7peFk
2020-04-13 15:36 <Ubit> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD884xQZbbQ
2020-04-13 15:44 <Ai_Austin> Nice elf ears
2020-04-13 15:44 <Ubit> yeah you did looked to those at first :p
2020-04-13 15:46 <Ai_Austin> always..  http://blog.inf.ed.ac.uk/atate/2018/04/12/orcrist/
2020-04-13 15:46 <Ubit> :)
2020-04-13 15:47 <Ubit> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgQCgqUe3LE
2020-04-14 15:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #6795 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-14 15:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6795: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6795/
2020-04-14 15:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: sleep a script by 1second on non fatal LSL errors
2020-04-14 15:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #6796 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-14 16:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6796: SUCCESS in 4 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6796/
2020-04-14 16:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: sleep a script by 1second on non fatal OSSL errors
2020-04-14 16:42 <osmantis> Bug #8688:04 0.9.2.0.207 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8688 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-04-14 17:51 <osmantis> Bug #8688:04 0.9.2.0.207 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8688 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-04-14 17:57 <Plugh> Time for the weekly meeting in osgrid at the usual Dev Outreach region.
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2020-04-15 10:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #6797 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-15 10:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6797: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6797/
2020-04-15 10:48 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8688: fix uri parsing in secure case ; add tls11 and tls12 to list of protocols (.net.46 ones)
2020-04-15 10:48 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: avoid a null ref on get log level
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2020-04-15 13:07 <osmantis> Bug #8685:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Add support for Avatar Picker 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8685 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-04-15 13:17 <osmantis> Bug #8685:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Add support for Avatar Picker 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8685 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-15 13:18 <Tampa> djphil the great thing about the Open part of OpenSim is that forks can exist, they can change things and add features on their own accord, but that doesn't mean that's doing anything better
2020-04-15 13:20 <Tampa> I very much agree with the current focus on sticking with something solid rather than stuffing features in simply because viewers are capable of them
2020-04-15 13:22 <djphil> It's not "simply because viewers are capable of them" ...
2020-04-15 13:23 <Tampa> I hear the cry for displaynames a lot, but most of those asking for them never consider the implications
2020-04-15 13:24 <Tampa> And frankly if the idea is to support some weird ornamentals on names because some folks are so needy for attention then the world is better off without
2020-04-15 13:24 <Tampa> Can't stand when people do this on discord no need to further spread that
2020-04-15 13:25 <Tampa> People changing their names to avoid being noticed after having done something against the rules
2020-04-15 13:25 <djphil> For the display name (which is not the main subject of my mantis # 8685) I can understand some implications and personally for me the display name is not important. But I would also be happy if it is implemented
2020-04-15 13:27 <Tampa> If people want them on their own grids, okay whatever live and let live, but support in core means potentially over HG as well and that's a disaster
2020-04-15 13:28 <djphil> So it probably needs more improvements, better code, etc ...
2020-04-15 13:29 <Tampa> I can see perhaps the avatar picker having at least some use in regards to education grids to switch roles or whatever
2020-04-15 13:29 <djphil> In my memory it was already implemented in aurora-sim also without problem
2020-04-15 13:30 <Tampa> I ran Aurorascape and it was not implemented well trust me, it worked, but not well
2020-04-15 13:31 <Tampa> Seeing what that enabled people to do also made me not like that feature one bit
2020-04-15 13:31 <Tampa> You keep running into people constantly changing names and outfits on a daily basis and you end up not knowing who the heck you talk to all the time
2020-04-15 13:31 <Tampa> It's just annoying as heck
2020-04-15 13:33 <djphil> No display name is needed to do this, simply creating multiple accounts is enough.
2020-04-15 13:33 <djphil> display name simply makes it easy (and again for malicious people)
2020-04-15 13:34 <Tampa> Multiple accounts you can block registration of though
2020-04-15 13:34 <Tampa> Bar of entry is easier if you let them change it on the fly
2020-04-15 13:35 <Tampa> If displaynames are present you need the abuse report thing to actually fetch the real user that did the bad thing else reporting it is impossible
2020-04-15 13:35 <djphil> luckily not everyone is malicious people :)
2020-04-15 13:35 <Tampa> Those two kinda work together and only together, still a friggn annoyance to deal with
2020-04-15 13:36 <Tampa> People saying experiences should be a thing and I am wondering what for as if the problem of other people being around occupying whatever game thing you wanna play is actually a thing that happens so often
2020-04-15 13:37 <Tampa> They have their use, but that is so specific and usually better solved by other forms of containerization
2020-04-15 13:38 <Tampa> I mean unless they'd spawn their own sub-procress like DSG did it'll just slow the region down even more having to copy that data
2020-04-15 13:38 <Tampa> Which is why I think before experiences DSG needs to be re-implemented and what's the likelihood of that now
2020-04-15 13:40 <Tampa> Old argument of more pressing issues to deal with first, I know, not all that valid which is why its fine the feature requests exist, but I doubt much will happen even if the forks implement the features, because there are questions on ethics, usability and actual use still
2020-04-15 13:40 <Tampa> Meanwhile you have the maptile generation still blocking region start and no way to actually manage the buggers once done. Loads of usability features take priority in my opinion before tackling these
2020-04-15 13:43 <djphil> For the short time it takes to implement, I don't think this is a real obstacle to development  qualified as "priority"
2020-04-15 13:45 <Tampa> Just because it is easy...
2020-04-15 13:46 <djphil> Haaa if only it was easy for me too, I would do it right away :)
2020-04-15 13:46 <Tampa> I can't speak for Ubit, but given the general consensus the last time some of this made the round, don't think much changed since then
2020-04-15 13:47 <Tampa> I mean the forks are there you can play with that stuff, great thing about open source eh
2020-04-15 13:49 <djphil> Do you have your own fork?
2020-04-15 15:33 <osmantis> Bug #8688:04 0.9.2.0.207 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8688 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-15 16:24 <osmantis> Bug #8688:04 0.9.2.0.207 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8688 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-04-15 16:26 <osmantis> Bug #8688:04 0.9.2.0.207 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8688 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-15 16:46 <osmantis> Bug #8688:04 0.9.2.0.207 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8688 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-15 16:47 <osmantis> Bug #8688:04 0.9.2.0.207 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8688 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-15 20:14 <osmantis> Bug #8688:04 0.9.2.0.207 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8688 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-04-15 20:15 <osmantis> Bug #8688:04 0.9.2.0.207 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8688 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-15 20:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #6798 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-15 20:18 <osmantis> Bug #8688:04 0.9.2.0.207 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8688 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-15 20:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6798: SUCCESS in 4 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6798/
2020-04-15 20:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: actually commit the uri fix
2020-04-15 20:44 <osmantis> Bug #8688:04 0.9.2.0.207 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8688 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-04-15 20:51 <osmantis> Bug #8688:04 0.9.2.0.207 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8688 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-04-15 21:18 <osmantis> Bug #8688:04 0.9.2.0.207 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8688 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-04-16 00:21 <osmantis> Bug #8688:04 0.9.2.0.207 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8688 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-16 00:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #6799 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-16 00:36 <diva_> is there a bridge from OpenSim to Discord?
2020-04-16 00:36 <Ubit> no
2020-04-16 00:36 <Ubit> and we may not want uncontroled flood from there here
2020-04-16 00:38 <diva_> no nono 
2020-04-16 00:38 <diva_> I mean a bridge from inworld to discord
2020-04-16 00:38 <diva_> there used to be an IRC bridge in the optional modules
2020-04-16 00:38 <Ubit> the irc is there
2020-04-16 00:38 <diva_> not sure if that works, or if discord is IRC with more pizzaz
2020-04-16 00:39 <Ubit> think it is working
2020-04-16 00:39 <diva_> do you know id Discord is essentially IRC?
2020-04-16 00:39 <Ubit> think discord as own apis
2020-04-16 00:39 <Ubit> and not irc
2020-04-16 00:39 <djphil> @diva_ https://github.com/TBGRenfold/discord-lsl
2020-04-16 00:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6799: SUCCESS in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6799/
2020-04-16 00:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let samplemoneymodule see EconomyModule config setting
2020-04-16 00:40 <Ubit> yeap lsl for that?
2020-04-16 00:40 <Ubit> gezz who likes discord anyways.. that is terrible :p
2020-04-16 00:40 <djphil> i don't use it, just know
2020-04-16 00:40 <Ubit> fun seems ll did remove viewer connections to other social media thins
2020-04-16 00:41 <Ubit> well that lsl just uses lsl http things
2020-04-16 00:42 <Ubit> yeack and reads profiles..
2020-04-16 00:42 <diva_> Never thought of doing this in lsl
2020-04-16 00:42 <diva_> but I guess that's an easy way
2020-04-16 00:42 <Ubit> but yeap discord is a json protocl thing
2020-04-16 00:43 <Plugh> I work with some people who use Discord. It is the only reason I have it installed.
2020-04-16 00:44 <Ubit> i also installed it.. go there now and then
2020-04-16 00:44 <diva_> I know ppl who are using discord for classes
2020-04-16 00:44 <diva_> in fact my question above was for that. Someone is using OpenSim but also discord
2020-04-16 00:44 <osmantis> Bug #8688:04 0.9.2.0.207 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8688 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-04-16 00:44 <Ubit> guess better than slack (?) 
2020-04-16 00:44 <djphil> Nowadays we all love interconnected :p
2020-04-16 00:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #6800 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-16 00:50 <osmantis> Bug #8688:04 0.9.2.0.207 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8688 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-04-16 00:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6800: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6800/
2020-04-16 00:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: flush sslstreams in keepalive case ( should not be needed but well )
2020-04-16 00:51 <Ubit> danng why is my handling of 100-continue not working?
2020-04-16 00:51 <Ubit> grr
2020-04-16 00:53 <diva_> thanks for that link, djphil
2020-04-16 00:55 <djphil> yw :)
2020-04-16 00:56 <Ubit> gezz im running out of OS$ testing images uploads :p
2020-04-16 00:58 <djphil> @diva : SatyrFarm use a discort bot also, see https://github.com/SatyrFarm/DiscordBot
2020-04-16 01:00 <diva_> ah! a module!
2020-04-16 01:01 <Ubit> duhhh can't belive.. it was the 100 text
2020-04-16 01:01 <diva_> oh hmm, it's javascript
2020-04-16 01:01 <djphil> yes, it use node.js, not C# :p
2020-04-16 01:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #6801 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-16 01:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6801: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6801/
2020-04-16 01:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: send 100 continue code the way ms seems to want
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2020-04-17 12:19 <osmantis> Bug #8686:04 hypergrid hud's Bug I tink? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8686 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-17 12:35 <osmantis> Bug #8686:04 hypergrid hud's Bug I tink? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8686 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-17 15:46 <misterblue> @Ubit: where is the libopenmetaverse you are keeping up? On BitBucket and/or is there a Github or did you move them to opensim-libs?
2020-04-17 16:18 <Ubit> bitbucket
2020-04-17 16:19 <Ubit> https://bitbucket.org/opensimulator/
2020-04-17 17:52 <osmantis> Bug #8686:04 hypergrid hud's Bug I tink? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8686 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-17 19:00 <diva_> does anyone know if Vivox is still giving out free service for new opensim accounts there?
2020-04-17 19:03 <djphil> https://opensim.vivox.com/opensim/
2020-04-17 19:55 <diva_> thanks djphil
2020-04-17 19:56 <diva_> another question related to LSL, which I almost never use: is there a way of requesting a URL that is more permanent and stays throughout restarts, reboots?
2020-04-17 19:58 <djphil> Bill did something about it I think ...
2020-04-17 19:58 <djphil> I mean to have permanent url
2020-04-17 20:01 <diva_> is this in core?
2020-04-17 20:03 <djphil> In opensim Core I think not but maybe in fork osCore2
2020-04-17 20:05 <djphil> Quelque chose du coté ossl function ... but i don't really remember
2020-04-17 20:05 <djphil> ooops sorry for french part ^^
2020-04-17 20:05 <diva_> pas de probleme
2020-04-17 20:05 <djphil> Ho cool :)
2020-04-17 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #8686:04 hypergrid hud's Bug I tink? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8686 ): has been CLOSED
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2020-04-18 16:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #6802 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-18 16:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6802: SUCCESS in 4 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6802/
2020-04-18 16:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: locate default anims also by uuid, rename/chage a few things
2020-04-18 16:38 <diva_> help! What would make a video fail to play in a prim through parcel media but play ok on the embedded web browser?
2020-04-18 16:40 <diva_> oh hmm. it also doesn't play on the embedded web browser
2020-04-18 16:41 <diva_> why would it play on one of my computers and not on the other?
2020-04-18 16:44 <Tampa> Which viewer?
2020-04-18 16:50 <diva_> firestorm
2020-04-18 17:02 <Ubit> think some players have limitations on codecs
2020-04-18 17:03 <Ubit> mpeg4 is a confusing case..
2020-04-18 17:04 <Ubit> app ll removed it by rights issues, but some things with it do seem to work on fs and others
2020-04-18 17:06 <diva_> it's working on my laptop but it doesn't play on my desktop
2020-04-18 17:06 <diva_> This is a twitch stream
2020-04-18 17:07 <diva_> maybe some bad interference with another program, but I don't know which one
2020-04-18 17:08 <diva_> my laptop has a slightly older version of FS. I wonder if that's the reason
2020-04-18 17:08 <diva_> did they change something recently?
2020-04-18 17:09 <Ubit> no idea
2020-04-18 17:09 <Ubit> no idea also abotu twitch settings.. who decides.. if twitch or streams
2020-04-18 17:11 <diva_> the error message is from twitch
2020-04-18 17:40 <Tampa> Prim media is done via some addin browser thing so the stuff displayed renders on its own using system components, that means if the system is missing something it likely fails to load similarly to your normal browser would. Which component that is is beyond me, but FS tends to be more reliable with media
2020-04-18 17:41 <Tampa> Parcel media is rendered through the media plugin directly within the viewer so system drivers can affect this negatively
2020-04-18 17:41 <Tampa> I previously had issues with Singu because of a network driver, yeah sounds insane, but that's level of shitty code Linden so lovingly provides
2020-04-18 17:42 <Tampa> Could be anything from network drivers to usb to what have you not
2020-04-18 17:42 <Tampa> Try to eliminate variable first, use same viewer and version, make sure system is up to date etc
2020-04-18 17:44 <Tampa> On the laptop try to get rid of some bloatware that perhaps intercepts some stuff to inject its nonsense into it, Lenovo has this stupid trackpad app that causes issues in almost all apps that capture mouse from system for example
2020-04-18 17:45 <Tampa> You can always try piping through cvlc and outputting rtsp sdp which should play with the included plugin in FS
2020-04-18 17:45 <Tampa> Think they hardwired that in there somehow, only viewer I seen that does that, seems to be more system independent and thus less likely to fail
2020-04-18 20:34 <Ubit> grr my win box died
2020-04-19 00:03 <Aramis^> It's dead, Jim.
2020-04-19 01:13 <diva_> oh no. it looks like the culprit of my problem is the newest release of FS... The one before shows the twitch stream alright
2020-04-19 01:21 <Ubit> they kinda followed ll changes
2020-04-19 01:21 <diva_> this is really annoying. Just when I need video streaming not to fail ever
2020-04-19 01:22 <diva_> what other viewers do ppl use?
2020-04-19 01:22 <Ubit> singu i guess, possible a bit outdated
2020-04-19 01:23 <Ubit> someo use cool vl but it does seem broken on vars
2020-04-19 01:32 <diva_> singularity also fails to show the twitch stream :(
2020-04-19 01:33 <Ubit> well im only linux now, will not even dare to test
2020-04-19 01:33 <Ubit> amased how fs does work ok
2020-04-19 01:34 <Ubit> even this irc client is the same i have on win
2020-04-19 01:36 <djphil> maybee you can try dayturn or scenegate
2020-04-19 01:36 <Ubit> scenegate is a old alchmy fork.. may work
2020-04-19 01:36 <Ubit> dayturn is on recent code base
2020-04-19 01:37 <diva_> imma try them all
2020-04-19 01:38 <diva_> scenegate doesn't have a mac build
2020-04-19 01:44 <diva_> dayturn has the same problem -- doesn't play the stream. I guess this is something that affects all new viewers
2020-04-19 01:49 <Ubit> as i said ll removed some codecs support bc license issues
2020-04-19 01:49 <Ubit> mpeg4
2020-04-19 01:49 <diva_> i see
2020-04-19 01:49 <diva_> what a bummer
2020-04-19 01:50 <diva_> well, I'll have to try livestreaming on youtube
2020-04-19 01:52 <AliciaRaven2> mpeg4 isnt a codec, its a container format
2020-04-19 01:54 <diva_> uhg! itr doesn't doesn't do youtube live
2020-04-19 01:54 <AliciaRaven2> also its an open format, must be a codec used that is proprietary
2020-04-19 01:54 <diva_> nothing live, apparently
2020-04-19 01:56 <diva_> that's a serious degress -- opposite of progress
2020-04-19 01:58 <Ubit> duuhhh alicia shh
2020-04-19 01:58 <Ubit> :)
2020-04-19 01:59 <Ubit> mp4 lic is very very confusing
2020-04-19 01:59 <diva_> wth are they thinking by removing those codecs?!? they're going the opposite way of everyone
2020-04-19 01:59 <Ubit> guess they laywers got scared with the lics
2020-04-19 01:59 <Ubit> their
2020-04-19 02:00 <Ubit> some told they are reviewing that and my put them back
2020-04-19 02:00 <AliciaRaven2> the format is open, but the specific library implementing it may not be
2020-04-19 02:01 <djphil> open H264 exist ... and for sounds, opus !!!
2020-04-19 02:01 <Ubit> did u ever looked for the lic alicia?
2020-04-19 02:01 <diva_> this is complete fail! I am planning to bring an entire class into my vlab, and now I have to point them to an old version
2020-04-19 02:02 <AliciaRaven2> yea, long time back
2020-04-19 02:18 <AliciaRaven2> ah yes sorry, Part 14 is the open container, but the codec part is different
2020-04-19 02:48 <diva_> I'm glad I had an older version installed on my laptop, or I would have thought this never worked
2020-04-19 12:05 <osmantis> Bug #8689:04 Make llRequestAgentData work for HG visitors too 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8689 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-04-19 14:22 <osmantis> Bug #8689:04 Make llRequestAgentData work for HG visitors too 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8689 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-04-19 15:07 <osmantis> Bug #8689:04 Make llRequestAgentData work for HG visitors too 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8689 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-19 15:08 <osmantis> Bug #8689:04 Make llRequestAgentData work for HG visitors too 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8689 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008602.
2020-04-19 15:08 <osmantis> Bug #8602:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetProfileServerURI 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8602 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008689.
2020-04-19 15:08 <osmantis> Bug #8689:04 Make llRequestAgentData work for HG visitors too 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8689 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008603.
2020-04-19 15:08 <osmantis> Bug #8603:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetAvatarProperties 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8603 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008689.
2020-04-19 15:17 <Tampa> xmlrequest is an interesting idea since already using dataserver, but seems a bit silly to send xml around and just annoying to pull apart as well
2020-04-19 15:17 <Tampa> Wonder if a universal profiledata get function could even work, but the code is there, just needs some expanding
2020-04-19 18:48 <osmantis> Bug #8689:04 Make llRequestAgentData work for HG visitors too 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8689 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-19 18:49 <osmantis> Bug #8689:04 Make llRequestAgentData work for HG visitors too 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8689 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-04-19 19:30 <osmantis> Bug #8689:04 Make llRequestAgentData work for HG visitors too 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8689 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-19 19:42 <osmantis> Bug #8689:04 Make llRequestAgentData work for HG visitors too 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8689 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-20 02:45 <diva_> does anyone know where the old downloads for FireStorm are? I can only find 6.0.2, which is the latest release
2020-04-20 02:45 <diva_> I mean I was able to guess the download link of 5.0.7 for Windows, but the same numbers don't work for Mac
2020-04-20 02:53 <Plugh> https://downloads.firestormviewer.org/windows/Phoenix-FirestormOS-Releasex64-5-1-7-55786_Setup.exe
2020-04-20 02:53 <Plugh> I think you can work out the URLs if you know the version number and build number of past versions.
2020-04-20 02:54 <Plugh> Don't know how many different versions are available.
2020-04-20 02:56 <diva_> right. I did that but the Mac link doesn't work. The Linux one does
2020-04-20 03:14 <diva_> http://downloads.firestormviewer.org/mac/Phoenix-FirestormOS-Releasex64_5_0_7_52912_x86_64.dmg  <-- doesn't work
2020-04-20 03:26 <djphil> This working! :p http://downloads.firestormviewer.org/mac/Phoenix-FirestormOS-Releasex64_5_1_7_55786_x86_64.dmg
2020-04-20 03:42 <diva_> <3 <3 <3 thank you!
2020-04-20 03:42 <djphil> :)
2020-04-20 05:40 <Tampa> I did find an archive page a while ago that has all versions back to 2.x something, but it takes very long for the links to load, if anyone has some time on their hands and could grab them all I can place them on a faster mirror
2020-04-20 08:29 <osmantis> Bug #8689:04 Make llRequestAgentData work for HG visitors too 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8689 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-20 11:18 <osmantis> Bug #8690:04 Buildin from source throws error "Microsoft.CSharp.targets not found" for all build files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8690 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-04-20 11:23 <osmantis> Bug #8690:04 Buildin from source throws error "Microsoft.CSharp.targets not found" for all build files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8690 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-04-20 11:23 <osmantis> Bug #8690:04 Buildin from source throws error "Microsoft.CSharp.targets not found" for all build files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8690 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-04-20 11:24 <osmantis> Bug #8690:04 Building from source throws error "Microsoft.CSharp.targets not found" for all build files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8690 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-04-20 11:33 <osmantis> Bug #8689:04 Make llRequestAgentData work for HG visitors too 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8689 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-20 12:16 <osmantis> Bug #8690:04 Building from source throws error "Microsoft.CSharp.targets not found" for all build files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8690 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-20 12:18 <osmantis> Bug #8689:04 Make llRequestAgentData work for HG visitors too 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8689 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-20 12:21 <osmantis> Bug #8690:04 Building from source throws error "Microsoft.CSharp.targets not found" for all build files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8690 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-20 12:23 <osmantis> Bug #8603:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetAvatarProperties 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8603 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-20 12:24 <Tampa> If I see one more xml rpc request today I am going to punch a hole into my monitor
2020-04-20 12:24 <osmantis> Bug #8689:04 Make llRequestAgentData work for HG visitors too 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8689 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-20 12:24 <Tampa> parsing xml in lsl is pain
2020-04-20 12:27 <osmantis> Bug #8689:04 Make llRequestAgentData work for HG visitors too 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8689 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-20 12:39 <osmantis> Bug #8689:04 Make llRequestAgentData work for HG visitors too 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8689 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-20 13:03 <osmantis> Bug #8689:04 Make llRequestAgentData work for HG visitors too 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8689 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-20 13:19 <osmantis> Bug #8690:04 Building from source throws error "Microsoft.CSharp.targets not found" for all build files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8690 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-20 13:22 <osmantis> Bug #8690:04 Building from source throws error "Microsoft.CSharp.targets not found" for all build files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8690 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-04-20 13:23 <osmantis> Bug #8690:04 Building from source throws error "Microsoft.CSharp.targets not found" for all build files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8690 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-04-20 13:25 <osmantis> Bug #8689:04 Make llRequestAgentData work for HG visitors too 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8689 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-20 16:09 <osmantis> Bug #8603:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetAvatarProperties 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8603 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-04-20 23:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #6803 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-20 23:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6803: SUCCESS in 4 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6803/
2020-04-20 23:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove some useless code form http low level; delay normal connection close, to let client do it instead
2020-04-20 23:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #6804 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-20 23:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6804: SUCCESS in 4 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6804/
2020-04-20 23:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change event pool timeout handling
2020-04-21 05:03 <osmantis> Bug #8691:04 llGetVel returns wrong velocity in on_rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8691 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-04-21 12:32 <osmantis> Bug #8691:04 llGetVel returns wrong velocity in on_rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8691 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-21 13:34 <osmantis> Bug #8691:04 llGetVel returns wrong velocity in on_rez 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8691 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-21 13:34 <Tampa> I am always surprised how objects behave sometimes and how they can just stop existing if you push them too hard
2020-04-21 13:35 <Tampa> I rezzed this prim, granted it was traveling at the speed of light, but why is it now gone
2020-04-21 13:39 <Ubit> u can't see things at speed of light unless they hit you Duhhh
2020-04-21 13:39 <Ubit> well or can
2020-04-21 13:39 <Ubit> details :p
2020-04-21 13:43 <AliciaRaven> speed of light would require infinite energy, os should make max 99.99% lol
2020-04-21 13:48 <Tampa> Was a hyperbole or whatever you call that
2020-04-21 14:25 <osmantis> Bug #8688:04 0.9.2.0.207 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8688 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-21 14:27 <Ubit> yeack my dtl code was not to be distributed.. but well
2020-04-21 14:27 <Ubit> there is a active developer on it
2020-04-21 14:32 <osmantis> Bug #8688:04 0.9.2.0.207 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8688 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-21 14:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #6805 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-21 14:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6805: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6805/
2020-04-21 14:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: risk reduncing iddle timeout again, because it is needed on current framework
2020-04-21 18:30 <Tampa> Is dtl being updated still though?
2020-04-21 18:30 <Ubit> yes there is a active dev i think
2020-04-21 18:32 <Tampa> So if there is an active should be easy to bring the issue to their attention if not through github issues or equivalent
2020-04-21 18:32 <Tampa> Or even, they should probably fix it themselves then
2020-04-21 18:32 <Ubit> thats just while he does not make own changes, i guess
2020-04-21 21:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #6806 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-21 22:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6806: SUCCESS in 4 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6806/
2020-04-21 22:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reduce ServicePointManager.DefaultConnectionLimit back 12 for os other than windows
2020-04-21 22:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #6807 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-21 23:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6807: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6807/
2020-04-21 23:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix http version
2020-04-21 23:21 <Ubit> ohh lbsa just joined :)
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2020-04-22 16:27 <misterblue> Does Firestorm still crash OpenSim regions on login?
2020-04-22 16:49 <Tampa> If they learned proper C it may be fixed now
2020-04-22 16:49 <Tampa> Just use Dayturn :)
2020-04-22 16:51 <PunyaUK> Can't run Dayturn if you run linux :-(
2020-04-22 16:52 <Tampa> How nice of you to volunteer to fix that ;)
2020-04-22 16:53 <Tampa> It's Kokua so could work from there
2020-04-22 17:33 <misterblue> the feature I like most about Firestorm is that they have the old style chat boxes.... I hate the screen wasting left hand column format
2020-04-22 17:36 <misterblue> will have to adapt
2020-04-22 17:39 <Tampa> Trust me I bang on compact design wherever I go, even made my own youtube theme to kill all that whitespace
2020-04-22 17:39 <Tampa> Think Gavin so far has done a decent job though
2020-04-22 17:40 <Tampa> He also said he may look at detaching windows from the main render frame like FS once did
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2020-04-23 14:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #6808 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-23 14:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6808: FAILURE in 42 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6808/
2020-04-23 14:57 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove redundant code
2020-04-23 14:57 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: use concurrentdic on pollhandlers, simplify a bit
2020-04-23 14:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #6809 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6807 1 day 16 hr ago)
2020-04-23 15:03 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-04-23 15:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6809: FIXED in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6809/
2020-04-23 15:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file
2020-04-23 17:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #6810 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-04-23 17:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6810: SUCCESS in 4 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6810/
2020-04-23 17:24 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: expose uripath
2020-04-23 17:24 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add SimpleStrem(Request)Handler, for simple uripaths, any method or query
2020-04-23 17:24 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: exclude root path from SimpleStremHandler
2020-04-23 17:33 <Tampa> Is that supposed to reduce the complexity of request handling or am I reading that wrong?
2020-04-23 21:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #6811 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-23 21:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6811: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6811/
2020-04-23 21:25 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change response content lengh when using rawbuffer
2020-04-23 21:25 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change SimpleStreamHandler to have a processor method argument
2020-04-23 21:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #6812 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-23 21:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6812: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6812/
2020-04-23 21:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: extend Caps to use SimpleStreamHandler
2020-04-23 21:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #6813 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-23 21:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6813: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6813/
2020-04-23 21:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change AgentPreferencesModule to use SimpleStreamHandler, as a simple first test
2020-04-23 22:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #6814 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-23 22:24 <Ubit> oops
2020-04-23 22:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6814: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6814/
2020-04-23 22:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: clear online status from gridUserService when killing dup presences
2020-04-23 22:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #6815 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-23 22:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6815: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6815/
2020-04-23 22:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Oppps better clear the online before returning
2020-04-23 22:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #6816 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-23 22:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6816: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6816/
2020-04-23 22:52 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix agentpreferences cap path
2020-04-23 22:52 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change GetCapsDetails(..)
2020-04-23 23:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #6817 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-23 23:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6817: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6817/
2020-04-23 23:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let show http-handlers list simpleStreamHandlers
2020-04-23 23:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #6818 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-23 23:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6818: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6818/
2020-04-23 23:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: move ServerReleaseNotes module to simpleStreamHandler
2020-04-23 23:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #6819 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-23 23:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6819: SUCCESS in 4 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6819/
2020-04-23 23:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove some '/' just wasting space
2020-04-23 23:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #6820 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-23 23:57 <Ubit> oops
2020-04-24 00:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6820: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6820/
2020-04-24 00:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove wrong ':'
2020-04-24 00:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #6821 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-24 00:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6821: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6821/
2020-04-24 00:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove another wrong ':'
2020-04-24 01:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #6822 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-24 01:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6822: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6822/
2020-04-24 01:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: move SEED cap to simpleStreamHandler
2020-04-24 08:26 <osmantis> Bug #8692:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] HTTP_ACCEPT not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8692 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-04-24 12:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #6823 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-24 12:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6823: SUCCESS in 4 min 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6823/
2020-04-24 12:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: move a few more caps to simpleStreamHandler
2020-04-24 14:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #6824 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-24 15:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6824: SUCCESS in 4 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6824/
2020-04-24 15:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: move a few more caps to simpleStreamHandler
2020-04-24 16:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #6825 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-24 16:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6825: SUCCESS in 4 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6825/
2020-04-24 16:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: move a materials cap to simpleStreamHandler
2020-04-24 17:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #6826 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-24 17:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6826: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6826/
2020-04-24 17:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: we can speedup some not simple StreamHandler a bit
2020-04-24 18:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #6827 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-24 18:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6827: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6827/
2020-04-24 18:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: move EstateChangeInfo cap to simpleStreamHandler
2020-04-24 20:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #6828 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-24 20:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6828: SUCCESS in 4 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6828/
2020-04-24 20:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: move worlmap handlers to simpleStreamHandler
2020-04-24 20:45 <osmantis> Bug #8692:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] HTTP_ACCEPT not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8692 ): Le bogue suivant a été LIÉ au bogue 0008531.
2020-04-24 20:45 <osmantis> Bug #8531:04 failed lsl constants? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8531 ): Le bogue suivant a été LIÉ au bogue 0008692.
2020-04-25 11:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #6829 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-25 11:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6829: SUCCESS in 4 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6829/
2020-04-25 11:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change cap CreateInventoryCategory
2020-04-25 12:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #6830 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-25 12:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6830: SUCCESS in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6830/
2020-04-25 12:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: null method is already checked at low level, remove optional status 500 message
2020-04-25 13:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #6831 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-25 13:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6831: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6831/
2020-04-25 13:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: null uri path is already checked at low level
2020-04-25 13:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #6832 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-25 13:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6832: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6832/
2020-04-25 13:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cancel keepalive if http status not OK, this maybe a bit 2 hardm but ok for now
2020-04-25 14:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #6833 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-25 14:21 <Ubit> oops
2020-04-25 14:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6833: FAILURE in 1 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6833/
2020-04-25 14:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: move some region base handlers to simpleStreamHandler
2020-04-25 14:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #6834 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6832 1 hr 4 min ago)
2020-04-25 14:26 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-04-25 14:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6834: FIXED in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6834/
2020-04-25 14:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file
2020-04-25 14:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #6835 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-04-25 14:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6835: SUCCESS in 4 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6835/
2020-04-25 14:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: move monitor stats handlers to simpleStreamHandler
2020-04-25 15:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #6836 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-25 15:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6836: SUCCESS in 4 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6836/
2020-04-25 15:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove obsole code
2020-04-25 16:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #6837 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-25 16:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6837: SUCCESS in 4 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6837/
2020-04-25 16:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change AvatarPickerSearchModule
2020-04-25 17:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #6838 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-25 17:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6838: SUCCESS in 4 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6838/
2020-04-25 17:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change EstateAccess
2020-04-25 18:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #6839 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-25 18:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6839: SUCCESS in 4 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6839/
2020-04-25 18:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change SimulatorFeaturesModule
2020-04-25 18:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #6840 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-25 18:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6840: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6840/
2020-04-25 18:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change GodsModule
2020-04-25 19:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #6841 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-25 19:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6841: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6841/
2020-04-25 19:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix map image encoder parameter
2020-04-25 19:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #6842 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-25 19:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6842: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6842/
2020-04-25 19:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change ParcelPropertiesUpdate
2020-04-25 20:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #6843 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-25 20:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6843: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6843/
2020-04-25 20:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: simplify default 404 message, removing wrong(missing) host info
2020-04-25 20:08 <diva_> Ubit I want to use a library from Microsoft caleled System.IdentityModel.Tokens.Jwt. It doesn't seem to come with the framework, but it's available from Microsoft. HOwever it depends on 4 other Microsoft libraries under the namespace "Microsoft". Is this something that will get me in trouble in mono?
2020-04-25 20:09 <Ubit> mono is now a ms thing, but no idea
2020-04-25 20:12 <Ubit> part of azure sdk it seems
2020-04-25 20:13 <diva_> it is available for .net framework 4.6
2020-04-25 20:15 <Ubit> well we are on .net 4.6 :)
2020-04-25 20:15 <diva_> is mono fully conpatible with Windows now?
2020-04-25 20:15 <Ubit> a lot more yes
2020-04-25 20:20 <diva_> I'm writing an addon that lets people login with oauth from google
2020-04-25 20:55 <Tampa> I don't think that's a good idea
2020-04-25 20:56 <Tampa> oauth is a security nightmare in most cases and offering it as a way to handle accounts or heaven forbid auto-create them just ends up in extra work most times
2020-04-25 20:57 <diva_> google accounts are used pervasively all over the internet
2020-04-25 20:57 <Tampa> You also open up another door for spam to go in or people abusing the system for other means as oauth has no way to check associated accounts so anyone can just create new ones, not to mention all the spam already out there using those accounts
2020-04-25 20:57 <Tampa> I get about 10 spam mails from gmail each day, if they find an oauth login open they'll use it
2020-04-25 20:58 <Tampa> Even without logging in the simple attempt to probe the oauth endpoint can bring a grid down, I had similar experience before requiring captcha on website logins
2020-04-25 20:59 <Tampa> The way OpenSim does logins or even does the attempts, if done enough of you get bad results for the other users
2020-04-25 20:59 <Tampa> So using oauth you paint a massive target on yourself
2020-04-25 20:59 <diva_> I don't see how
2020-04-25 21:00 <diva_> this is not for website logins
2020-04-25 21:00 <diva_> this is for inworld logins
2020-04-25 21:02 <Tampa> That doesn't matter though, because you need to expose the endpoint somewhere to run the check against google and that's going to be the target, not the login page or viewer part of it
2020-04-25 21:03 <diva_> the callback? I mean opensim has gazillions of endpoints that are open. Why would this be different?
2020-04-25 21:03 <Tampa> It would not, but you are adding fuel to a fire already burning so bright it can be seen from the moon
2020-04-25 21:04 <diva_> sorry, I don't get it. There's gazillins of endpoint in an opensim server. why would this one be different?
2020-04-25 21:04 <Tampa> The ones we have are somewhat obscure, not well documented and not common, google oauth being everywhere means as soon as someone figures out it is used somewhere they will probe it for data
2020-04-25 21:05 <Tampa> That alone can be too much, think brute force attacks
2020-04-25 21:05 <Tampa> You open up a door with a specific size frame and everyone will come running at once tearing down the entire damn wall along with them
2020-04-25 21:05 <AliciaRaven> i dont trust google, and their oauth is well known and easily exploited, why would a serious grid give trust to a large corp that is basically out for them selves and doesnt give a git about the little guy
2020-04-25 21:06 <Tampa> It's the first thing most tutorials for self-hosted GitLab advice is to disable any oauth, be it google or twitter or whatever, why because it is well known when you use that you get tons and tons of spam
2020-04-25 21:06 <AliciaRaven> git* = shit
2020-04-25 21:06 <Tampa> Most systems can just reject this, but OpenSim will die trying to verify these clients and reject them
2020-04-25 21:07 <diva_> :)
2020-04-25 21:07 <AliciaRaven> oauth is there for google pr, i just gives a well known attack point for smaller entities
2020-04-25 21:08 <Tampa> I used to run a blog for a friend with all sorts of social logins, the site nearly died from all the spam it got, the logins did not work, they were bad, but the attempts alone overwhelmed the apache
2020-04-25 21:08 <diva_> thank you for your opinions about Google :) My purpose is to simplify the login process for users of educational grids. Anything that forces them to do aditional things is an obstacle that they won't follow through
2020-04-25 21:08 <diva_> so running the viewers and login in with gmail is very attractive
2020-04-25 21:09 <diva_> and this is only available on the viewers, not on the web
2020-04-25 21:09 <AliciaRaven> well its cool as an option, options are always good, i just would not trust it
2020-04-25 21:09 <Tampa> You might as well use the "create account on login" feature then and cull them every so many hours
2020-04-25 21:10 <diva_> no, that does not provide any form of identity verification. It would be bad if a student created an account using some other student's name
2020-04-25 21:12 <Tampa> My private google account does not have any personal information about me, no address, fake name and even the backup mail doesn't actually exist, it is not hard to just input fake data and make another account
2020-04-25 21:12 <Tampa> If you want to verify them, most students at uni tend to have a @edu mail as well, at least in the US and in Europe
2020-04-25 21:12 <diva_> it's not hard but it's much harder than inputting a name on the Username box
2020-04-25 21:13 <diva_> yep, I plan to expand this to OAuth providers
2020-04-25 21:13 <diva_> my university serves oauth
2020-04-25 21:14 <Tampa> At the very least instead of creating the account immediately do so by way of auth through the associated gmail or other mail before the account is created and build in rate limit per IP
2020-04-25 21:14 <Tampa> Else a world of pain awaits
2020-04-25 21:15 <diva_> of course. google sends back a JWT that is signed by them. It has the user info
2020-04-25 21:15 <diva_> email and name
2020-04-25 21:15 <AliciaRaven> true, that would fox the spam bots
2020-04-25 21:15 <Tampa> Not all of them, but a good portion
2020-04-25 21:16 <diva_> but I'm not seeing how spammers would ever find out about this. The "Sign in with Google" link is never shown on the web.
2020-04-25 21:17 <Tampa> You have a "server" somewhere sending calls to google and verify the return, that return verification is easily probed
2020-04-25 21:18 <diva_> how?
2020-04-25 21:18 <Tampa> You basically just send random stuff to the server that you expect to run oauth and see if at one point it returns a "sorry cant auth you" boom you know that it is running oauth, let the spam begin
2020-04-25 21:19 <Tampa> It's like checking whether port 22 is open on a random server, if it is, likely linux
2020-04-25 21:19 <diva_> even if the end point is something like /oauth/456123098341230234727?
2020-04-25 21:19 <AliciaRaven> hehe always chjange SHH port, never use expected port
2020-04-25 21:19 <Tampa> Even worse if there is random ids, someone will attempt to brute force the id and take the whole thing offline via ddos
2020-04-25 21:20 <diva_> yeah, but port 22 is a well known port. The endpoint of my callback is not known and it's never shown on the web
2020-04-25 21:20 <AliciaRaven> anyone that used standard ssh port needs to review their security
2020-04-25 21:20 <Tampa> I figured out how to send IM via xml today, now all I need is to probe random UUIDs of a grid to see which return a TRUE for having sent the IM, then I can spam the living hell out of those users
2020-04-25 21:20 <Tampa> Same thing applies here
2020-04-25 21:21 <Tampa> Exposed endpoints need rate limiting
2020-04-25 21:21 <Tampa> Strict fail2ban etc
2020-04-25 21:21 <diva_> ok, well, now you're talking about opensim in general
2020-04-25 21:21 <AliciaRaven> only standard ports should be http, smtp etc if outside needs to find it, shh and mysql should always run on random ports
2020-04-25 21:21 <diva_> do 'show http-handlers" on your console and see all handlers that are available on any opensim server...
2020-04-25 21:21 <Tampa> Problem is who is gonna bother unless you do it for them, you know just as well how edu can sometimes just install out of the box and not give a care in the world about securing it
2020-04-25 21:22 <Tampa> So if you offer a package you have to include other parts
2020-04-25 21:22 <Tampa> Perhaps combine it with a whole ansible thing or docker or whatever then maybe
2020-04-25 21:23 <Tampa> Still think a bad idea, but if you wanna do it, do it all in one
2020-04-25 21:24 <diva_> :) thanks for your opinion. I still don't see how this is particularly bad when compared to all other handlers, but if you explain it better, maybe I'll see it :)
2020-04-25 21:25 <Tampa> Okay
2020-04-25 21:25 <Tampa> The way OpenSim works, the handlers, they are not exactly common are they, it's not a xml call every other webserver does
2020-04-25 21:26 <Tampa> The fact oauth is so common and known on how to exploit you get a lot of spammers probing random servers to see if they expose this endpoint because they know it is commonly used
2020-04-25 21:26 <Tampa> OpenSim gets little spam because the endpoints are no documented and not used by every other thing on the web
2020-04-25 21:27 <AliciaRaven> google make money from peronal data, so its easy to create acounts well know by hackers, they have money to run lots of servers to mitigate the hackers, os grids dont, this is security threat for small grids
2020-04-25 21:27 <Tampa> I do get spam on phpsas for example because essentially it is a webserver, I installed fail2ban along other firewall and security tools to make sure it is not probed beyond the endpoints it is supposed to provide
2020-04-25 21:28 <Tampa> Still it ends up being a webserver listening on webserver ports and reporting at least "yes I am here" that alone invites further attempts to force access
2020-04-25 21:28 <diva_> but how would they find this endpoint in the first place?
2020-04-25 21:28 <diva_> and if they find it, what is the problem, given that they are going to send all sorts of invalid data?
2020-04-25 21:29 <Tampa> There are various ways to do that and sadly a lot of them tax system resources to reject them unless you catch them
2020-04-25 21:29 <diva_> ok, but that would affect all of what opensim does
2020-04-25 21:29 <Tampa> The biggest issue is them trying to find out more, probing the system and causing load that may be too much for the machine to handle
2020-04-25 21:30 <diva_> and I agree that may be a problem. In fact I routinely get spam on my log (but I think it's becasue of the university tool that looks for known vulnerabilities on the servers at the unioversity)
2020-04-25 21:30 <AliciaRaven> diva is talking about the secret coms between server and google, the viewer wont be part of, but still google accounts can be easily created by bots and after the server accepts googles yes, u then have a bot account created
2020-04-25 21:30 <Tampa> They have systems to do that if they find something that could point to oauth
2020-04-25 21:30 <Tampa> They won't get in they just ddos the machine into the ground trying to
2020-04-25 21:31 <Tampa> OpenSim gets no spam because who would bother to, endpoints not documented, no good attack points and even is equally exposed what use do you have in spamming random grid users
2020-04-25 21:31 <Tampa> At most you could turn OpenSim around to send spam outward, but even that is not so easily done
2020-04-25 21:32 <diva_> well, this endpoint won't be documented either. To start off, thre'd have to guess with the URL is
2020-04-25 21:32 <Tampa> Abusing oauth or gaining access to other stuff is far easier given how most don't bother securing things properly beyond getting them to work in the first place
2020-04-25 21:32 <Tampa> That "guess" alone though could bring the machine down
2020-04-25 21:32 <diva_> yeah but that is true in general
2020-04-25 21:32 <diva_> whether I have the endpoint or not
2020-04-25 21:32 <diva_> that's what I'm saying: I don't understand why this is worse than what we already have
2020-04-25 21:33 <Tampa> Because oauth is known to exist almost everywhere and OpenSim certainly isn't so probing for oauth makes more sense for a spammer
2020-04-25 21:34 <Tampa> You don't get attempts to rdp when port 22 is open, because they know its nix at that point
2020-04-25 21:34 <diva_> but probing for oauth in my server would mean probing for anything on my server
2020-04-25 21:34 <diva_> whether there is oauth there or not
2020-04-25 21:34 <diva_> if they don't know, they have to probe
2020-04-25 21:34 <Tampa> Which happens regardless, but heaven forbid they randomly find that endpoint
2020-04-25 21:35 <diva_> unlikely when the path contains a randonly generated UUID...
2020-04-25 21:35 <AliciaRaven> a spamer will probably not get the URI from os to google, its protected by a random code and never seen by the viewer, the issue is that google accounts are easy to create by bots and that gives them easy access to create fake accounts that are verified by google
2020-04-25 21:36 <diva_> but they would have to be running the LL viewer :)
2020-04-25 21:36 <diva_> I mean Firestorm or one of the others
2020-04-25 21:36 <AliciaRaven> most grids would want a sign up from website
2020-04-25 21:37 <diva_> that's exactly what I'm trying to avoid -- creating accounts on the web
2020-04-25 21:38 <AliciaRaven> but if u create that plugin most people will want to have web access, that opens them to easy creation of spam accounts from google
2020-04-25 21:39 <diva_> there is no web access for creating accounts using google
2020-04-25 21:39 <diva_> that ios explicitly not a supported scenario in what I'm doing
2020-04-25 21:39 <diva_> all account creation on the web is moderated
2020-04-25 21:39 <AliciaRaven> if the viewer can, im sure they will find a way to create their own php to connect that viewer service to their website
2020-04-25 21:40 <diva_> well that is not what I'm doing. If someone wants to do that, that's their problem
2020-04-25 21:40 <diva_> they can do it already without waiting for my addon :)
2020-04-25 21:41 <AliciaRaven> k i see
2020-04-25 21:46 <diva_> ultimately, the flow I would want to have is this: follow a link on the web page that results in downloading, installing, and running Firestorm pointed at my grid, see the Oauth login in there, login with external authentication, even if they have never been here. No explicit account creation, no separate download, no complication.
2020-04-25 21:48 <AliciaRaven> very specific flow, if u publish the oauth plugin its gonna help little grids with not much tech think they have easy popular login mech thats gonna burn their ass in the long term
2020-04-25 21:49 <AliciaRaven> but i dont trust big corp america, so maybe im being too paranoid
2020-04-25 21:49 <diva_> I still don't know how to do that trick of installing things automatically from a Web link...
2020-04-25 21:49 <diva_> but at least the oauth logins are almost done
2020-04-25 21:50 <diva_> AliciaRaven, it can be Google or any other less popular OAuth provider.
2020-04-25 21:50 <diva_> like universities
2020-04-25 21:51 <AliciaRaven> yea the way u want to use it sounds fine, but giving it to others is like giving a loaded gun to a tot
2020-04-25 22:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #6844 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-25 22:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6844: SUCCESS in 4 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6844/
2020-04-25 22:18 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  add a /index.php fake handler, for map. only does ?method=.. but can be extended)
2020-04-25 22:19 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: move map to that
2020-04-25 22:25 <Ubit> gezz dan hidding from me .. wonder why :p
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2020-04-26 15:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change region avatarhandlers
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2020-04-26 15:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update show http-handlers
2020-04-26 16:05 <Ubit> can i delete all crap xlmrpc?
2020-04-26 16:06 <Ubit> hmm no?  well danng :p
2020-04-26 16:07 <djphil> 
ACTION What are you adding to replace?

2020-04-26 16:31 <Tampa> I just mapped the endpoints and the xml data being sent don't you break me my new documentation xD
2020-04-26 17:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #6847 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2020-04-26 17:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change region objecthandlers
2020-04-26 18:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #6848 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2020-04-26 18:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change NeighbourHandlers whatever they are...
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2020-04-26 18:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: move /estate handler
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2020-04-26 20:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: improve show http-handlers
2020-04-26 21:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #6851 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-26 21:54 <Ubit> joson ??
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2020-04-26 21:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: xmlrpc and josonrpc only allowed on uri root, and only those there
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2020-04-26 23:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: move /friends handler
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2020-04-26 23:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: move RegionStatsHandler
2020-04-27 07:49 <osmantis> Bug #8693:04 Extension by event changed with "CHANGED_LAND" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8693 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-04-27 13:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #6854 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2020-04-27 13:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: recover LLSD login handler
2020-04-27 13:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #6855 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2020-04-27 13:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: no need for stream hanlder description
2020-04-27 14:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #6856 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-27 14:35 <Ubit> right??  YEACKKK
2020-04-27 14:35 <Ubit> write !!
2020-04-27 14:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6856: SUCCESS in 4 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6856/
2020-04-27 14:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add SimpleOSDMapHandler, for caps that have just one httpmethod and body should be decoded as OSDMap, so we don't right the same things all pver
2020-04-27 14:43 <Ubit> damm stupid git
2020-04-27 14:43 <Ubit> does not let me update the comment
2020-04-27 14:47 <Tampa> Just change a space and commit again xD
2020-04-27 14:52 <Tampa> So there has been a release of libgdiplus now last week, but I do not know what all went into it yet, also not sure if it has made it out to the mono repo yet
2020-04-27 14:52 <Ubit> whathell let it be right.. i just redefined english
2020-04-27 14:52 <Tampa> I hope it will and actually contain some fixes now, but who knows
2020-04-27 14:52 <Ubit> other than the llsd login, no fixes
2020-04-27 14:52 <Tampa> We have to figure out something because I fear eventually using old libgdiplus and new mono might cause other issues
2020-04-27 14:53 <Ubit> just possible more bugs :p
2020-04-27 14:53 <Ubit> new one still eats memory?
2020-04-27 14:53 <Tampa> I don't know yet, I have to wait and see if mono pulls in the release
2020-04-27 14:53 <Tampa> Not keen on compiling it myself
2020-04-27 14:54 <Tampa> It may contain the crucial fix, but I have doubts
2020-04-27 14:54 <Tampa> apt-cache madison libgdiplus
2020-04-27 14:54 <Tampa> libgdiplus | 6.0.4-0xamarin1+ubuntu1804b1 | https://download.mono-project.com/repo/ubuntu stable-bionic/main amd64 Packages
2020-04-27 14:54 <Tampa> libgdiplus |      4.2-2 | http://mirror.hetzner.de/ubuntu/packages bionic/universe amd64 Packages
2020-04-27 14:54 <Tampa> libgdiplus |      4.2-2 | http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/universe amd64 Packages
2020-04-27 14:55 <Tampa> So not in mono stable yet, will have to wait to test it I guess
2020-04-27 14:57 <Tampa> If the new release still has problems then... then we need to update the docs to make sure folks install old version rather than the one in mono stable else memory leak from dynamic textures is gonna brick simulators left and right
2020-04-27 14:58 <Tampa> I will try to complain a bit more should that happen though, hopefully they resolve this or already have
2020-04-27 14:58 <Tampa> Using 4.2.2 from idk how many years ago and latest stable mono... I can already smell compatibility issues
2020-04-27 15:05 <Tampa> preview has new version of it though, I could try that
2020-04-27 15:23 <Tampa> Good news everyone, looks like 605 release has solved the memory leak, I installed the preview build with it and with 8 dynamic textures refreshing every 3 seconds memory has not grown yet
2020-04-27 15:24 <Tampa> Hopefully next mono stable comes with this version
2020-04-27 15:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #6857 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-27 15:31 <Ubit> hed ???
2020-04-27 15:31 <Ubit> buaaaa
2020-04-27 15:31 <Ubit> :)
2020-04-27 15:31 <Ubit> hed hed keyboard
2020-04-27 15:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6857: SUCCESS in 4 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6857/
2020-04-27 15:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add soem try/catch (and yes..yes right on last commit should hed been write...
2020-04-27 15:35 <Tampa> Maybe you should read your comments twice before hitting commit
2020-04-27 16:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #6858 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2020-04-27 16:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: move httpMethod OPTIONS handling to top, this needs to be chacked
2020-04-27 16:19 <Ubit> chacked ufff
2020-04-27 16:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #6859 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2020-04-27 16:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: it is nice to actually send the options back
2020-04-27 16:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #6860 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-27 16:37 <osmantis> Bug #8688:04 0.9.2.0.207 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8688 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
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2020-04-27 16:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change the RemoteParcelRequest cap
2020-04-27 16:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #6861 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-27 16:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6861: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6861/
2020-04-27 16:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8688: put RegionStatsHandler : BaseStreamHandler tempory back, to give time for external modules to update
2020-04-27 16:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #6862 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-27 16:54 <osmantis> Bug #8688:04 0.9.2.0.207 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8688 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-04-27 16:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6862: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6862/
2020-04-27 16:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: rename wrong RegionSimpleStatsHandler as RegionStatsSimpleHandler
2020-04-27 17:35 <osmantis> Bug #8688:04 0.9.2.0.207 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8688 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-04-27 18:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #6863 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-27 18:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6863: SUCCESS in 4 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6863/
2020-04-27 18:54 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change meshUploadFlagModule
2020-04-27 18:54 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change MoapModule
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2020-04-27 20:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #6864 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-27 20:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6864: SUCCESS in 4 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6864/
2020-04-27 20:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change voice modules handlers
2020-04-28 00:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #6865 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-28 00:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6865: SUCCESS in 4 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6865/
2020-04-28 00:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change FetchInventory2 region handler
2020-04-28 00:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #6866 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-28 00:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6866: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6866/
2020-04-28 00:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make FetchInventory2 a shared module
2020-04-28 12:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #6867 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-28 12:52 <Ubit> well does compile :)
2020-04-28 12:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6867: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6867/
2020-04-28 12:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change update of agent or object inventory items assets. This may need better check
2020-04-28 13:12 <djphil> Why doesn't the simulator put the status of all avatars on offline in the different databases (useraccounts, gridusers, presences) when it starts or when it is stopped?
2020-04-28 13:13 <Ubit> how does it know avatars on start?? duhhh
2020-04-28 13:13 <Ubit> and it does on stop, it terminates nicely
2020-04-28 13:13 <djphil> well they are in the database ...
2020-04-28 13:14 <djphil> if a simulator is off it is normal that all the statuses are offline in the database ... and this is not the case
2020-04-28 13:15 <Ubit> duuhh  what is the relation btw sim and avatars???
2020-04-28 13:16 <djphil> >>> robust
2020-04-28 13:16 <Ubit> sim can only set/clear online of avatars it has on it
2020-04-28 13:16 <Ubit> duhhh
2020-04-28 13:16 <Ubit> :p
2020-04-28 13:16 <Ubit> robust can't do that
2020-04-28 13:17 <djphil> why ?
2020-04-28 13:17 <Ubit> you can stop and start it on live grids
2020-04-28 13:17 <djphil> Does that mean without disconnecting the avatars present?
2020-04-28 13:18 <Ubit> avatars on regions yes
2020-04-28 13:18 <djphil> Ok in this case i can understand
2020-04-28 13:18 <djphil> But in case you stop robust manually and completely with EXIT
2020-04-28 13:19 <djphil> In this case he could do it and should do it
2020-04-28 13:19 <Ubit> it lets all things as they are
2020-04-28 13:19 <Ubit> if its a fast restart, many wil be right
2020-04-28 13:20 <djphil> I thought it would be better to put it offline
2020-04-28 13:20 <djphil> ...
2020-04-28 13:20 <Ubit> no good case
2020-04-28 13:20 <Ubit> just on fast restarts this is better
2020-04-28 13:21 <Ubit> and u made me forget the code i was breaking :p
2020-04-28 13:21 <djphil> To avoid ghost users I thought ...
2020-04-28 13:22 <djphil> Ooops I distracted you, sneeze!
2020-04-28 13:22 <Ubit> :)
2020-04-28 13:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #6868 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-28 13:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6868: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6868/
2020-04-28 13:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change the http handler of those update* caps to simplehandler
2020-04-28 14:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #6869 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-28 14:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6869: FAILURE in 1 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6869/
2020-04-28 14:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: split file bunchofcaps a bit
2020-04-28 14:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #6870 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6868 1 hr 12 min ago)
2020-04-28 14:51 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-04-28 14:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6870: FIXED in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6870/
2020-04-28 14:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: restore lost things in the process
2020-04-28 14:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #6871 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-04-28 14:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6871: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6871/
2020-04-28 14:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do things in the right order
2020-04-28 15:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #6872 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-28 15:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6872: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6872/
2020-04-28 15:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add SimpleBinaryHandler
2020-04-28 17:59 <Ubit> meow meow plugh meow dev outreach
2020-04-28 19:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #6873 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-28 19:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6873: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6873/
2020-04-28 19:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: clear baked flag on uploaded npc baked. This may cause issues on older grids (test)
2020-04-28 20:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #6874 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-28 20:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6874: FAILURE in 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6874/
2020-04-28 20:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: give up on baked flag (test)
2020-04-28 20:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #6875 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6873 56 min ago)
2020-04-28 20:42 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-04-28 20:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6875: FIXED in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6875/
2020-04-28 20:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file
2020-04-28 22:17 <Tampa> TIL there is no osNpcLookAt function
2020-04-28 22:17 <Tampa> bummer
2020-04-28 22:17 <Tampa> I wanted to make a super creepy palace with Npcs that stare at you while you walk through it
2020-04-29 00:34 <djphil> @Tampa : This one do the job (look@target) https://forums.osgrid.org/viewtopic.php?p=27876#p27876
2020-04-29 00:55 <Tampa> I need something that would make them specifically look at something, not move there, they should stand still, but stare at you
2020-04-29 01:01 <djphil> modify it slightly and it will ...
2020-04-29 01:01 <djphil> but you're right, osNpcLookAt would be welcome
2020-04-29 08:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #6876 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-04-29 09:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6876: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6876/
2020-04-29 09:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: split the Upload* caps per asset type. We will need that one day. move uploadtaskscript to simpleh
2020-04-29 09:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #6877 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-29 09:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6877: SUCCESS in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6877/
2020-04-29 09:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add timeouts and placehold for future code
2020-04-29 11:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #6878 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-29 11:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6878: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6878/
2020-04-29 11:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add some utf8 getbytes help functions
2020-04-29 11:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #6879 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-29 11:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6879: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6879/
2020-04-29 11:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make some use of those
2020-04-29 12:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #6880 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-29 12:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6880: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6880/
2020-04-29 12:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change CopyInventoryFromNotecard to simpleh..
2020-04-29 12:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #6881 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-29 12:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6881: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6881/
2020-04-29 12:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let show caps list display the avatar name
2020-04-29 12:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #6882 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-29 12:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6882: SUCCESS in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6882/
2020-04-29 12:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: hide handler types not in use from show http-handlers
2020-04-29 12:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #6883 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-29 12:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6883: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6883/
2020-04-29 12:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: silly typo...
2020-04-29 15:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #6884 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-29 15:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6884: SUCCESS in 4 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6884/
2020-04-29 15:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change UploadBakedTextureModule. Make it shared and self contained
2020-04-29 15:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #6885 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-29 15:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6885: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6885/
2020-04-29 15:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few changes to updateitemasset things
2020-04-29 15:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #6886 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-29 16:00 <Ubit> cd bin
2020-04-29 16:00 <Ubit> ok not here
2020-04-29 16:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6886: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6886/
2020-04-29 16:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove dead code
2020-04-29 16:52 <Ubit> 6.10 seems a bit better
2020-04-29 16:52 <Ubit> gc i mean
2020-04-29 17:29 <Plugh> mono is at 6.10 now? :P
2020-04-29 22:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #6887 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-29 22:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6887: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6887/
2020-04-29 22:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: move ObjectAdd to simpleh..
2020-04-29 22:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: move UploadObjectAsset to simpleh..
2020-04-29 23:42 <AliciaRaven> https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n98131#246b9e0a
2020-04-29 23:43 <AliciaRaven> lol
2020-04-29 23:43 <Ubit> you went to sleep, remember?
2020-04-29 23:44 <AliciaRaven> only my creative coding side is asleep :P
2020-04-29 23:45 <AliciaRaven> wonder how accurately he had to file that flight plan lol
2020-04-29 23:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #6888 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-29 23:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6888: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6888/
2020-04-29 23:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix localconsole so viewer one can display things
2020-04-30 00:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #6889 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-30 00:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6889: SUCCESS in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6889/
2020-04-30 00:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: move RegionConsoleModule to simpleh.., and try to fix it
2020-04-30 01:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #6890 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-30 01:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6890: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6890/
2020-04-30 01:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: move DynamicMenuModule to simpleh..,
2020-04-30 01:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #6891 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-30 01:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6891: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6891/
2020-04-30 01:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update circuit child status when it changes
2020-04-30 01:40 <Ubit> u never used this also?
2020-04-30 01:40 <Ubit> oops
2020-04-30 02:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #6892 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-30 02:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6892: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6892/
2020-04-30 02:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make Caps IDisposable
2020-04-30 16:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #6893 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-04-30 16:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6893: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6893/
2020-04-30 16:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: give viewers more time to start uploading assets
2020-05-01 07:10 <osmantis> Bug #8696:04 Very frequent timeouts with SynchronousRestObjectRequester 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8696 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-05-01 07:10 <osmantis> Bug #8696:04 Very frequent timeouts with SynchronousRestObjectRequester causing sim hang ups and slowness 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8696 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-05-01 07:21 <osmantis> Bug #8696:04 Very frequent timeouts with SynchronousRestObjectRequester causing sim hang ups and slowness 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8696 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-01 09:04 <Tampa> Yay .org is not being sold ICANN is not entirely corrupt it seems
2020-05-01 10:58 <osmantis> Bug #8696:04 Very frequent timeouts with SynchronousRestObjectRequester causing sim hang ups and slowness 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8696 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-01 15:20 <osmantis> Bug #8678:04 REST (Remote) Console broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8678 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-05-01 15:22 <osmantis> Bug #8678:04 REST (Remote) Console broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8678 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-01 16:00 <osmantis> Bug #8678:04 REST (Remote) Console broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8678 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-01 16:03 <osmantis> Bug #8678:04 REST (Remote) Console broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8678 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-05-01 16:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #6894 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-01 16:50 <osmantis> Bug #8678:04 REST (Remote) Console broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8678 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-01 16:53 <osmantis> Bug #8678:04 REST (Remote) Console broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8678 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-01 16:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6894: SUCCESS in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6894/
2020-05-01 16:54 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: dispose of jobengine queue
2020-05-01 16:54 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8678: try fix rest console client
2020-05-01 20:54 <diva_> does create user with a model name work? I'm getting 
2020-05-01 20:54 <diva_> It's not working for me, but maybe I'm doing something wrong
2020-05-01 21:17 <diva_> oh. it works now
2020-05-01 23:29 <diva_> Ubit do you know if the UserTitle is used for anything important?
2020-05-01 23:29 <Ubit> think it is, but not sure now
2020-05-01 23:30 <Ubit> well only see it on one place
2020-05-01 23:31 <Ubit> guess something forgotten
2020-05-01 23:31 <diva_> I also notice that two new fields were added to the UserAccount data structure: UserCountry and LocalToGrid. Is that recent? I don't have that on my 0.9.1.1 db
2020-05-01 23:32 <Ubit> yes they wehre also forgotten
2020-05-01 23:33 <Ubit> localgrid is a speedup i think
2020-05-01 23:33 <diva_> yeah, I don't see any migration for them
2020-05-01 23:33 <Ubit> its local also :)
2020-05-01 23:33 <diva_> the UserTitle is on the db, though
2020-05-01 23:33 <Ubit> but country is a info needed somewhere
2020-05-01 23:35 <diva_> I have my OAuth logins working, and I'm looking for a place to put an indication that those are external auth users... looking at UserTitle. But could equally do LocalToGrid, if it was on the DB
2020-05-01 23:35 <diva_> I wonder when that came in to the code base, and by whom.
2020-05-01 23:37 <Ubit> errr better ignore that
2020-05-01 23:37 <diva_> found it. It came from the avination code, it seems
2020-05-01 23:37 <Ubit> yeack and i have a changed usermanagement forgotten on disk to upload
2020-05-01 23:38 <Ubit> what the local?
2020-05-01 23:38 <diva_> yes
2020-05-01 23:38 <diva_> LocalToGrid
2020-05-01 23:38 <Ubit> its a local speeup thing
2020-05-01 23:39 <diva_> speedup?
2020-05-01 23:39 <Ubit> no point to go to dbs
2020-05-01 23:39 <Ubit> yeap faster local user detection 
2020-05-01 23:39 <Ubit> on some code paths
2020-05-01 23:44 <diva_> interesting. OK. Then I'll put my little signal in UserTitle
2020-05-01 23:45 <Ubit> yeah no idea what that is actually was confusing with group title
2020-05-01 23:45 <Ubit> guess for PHD diva:
2020-05-01 23:45 <Ubit> guess for PHD diva_
2020-05-01 23:46 <Ubit> mister danbanner
2020-05-01 23:46 <Ubit> :)
2020-05-01 23:46 <diva_> PHD?
2020-05-01 23:46 <Ubit> ppl in usa don't put that in names all the time?
2020-05-01 23:47 <Ubit> well PROFESSOR diva_ possible more correct
2020-05-01 23:47 <diva_> oh lol
2020-05-01 23:47 <diva_> no, that's a German thing
2020-05-01 23:47 <diva_> German professors love their long titles
2020-05-01 23:47 <Ubit> yeah
2020-05-01 23:48 <Ubit> Mr danbanner sounds better
2020-05-01 23:48 <Ubit> ( guess ill get a kick from lbsa soon.. )
2020-05-01 23:51 <Ubit> so lib openjpeg is misbehaving on linux, on the lludp images processing
2020-05-01 23:51 <Ubit> yeackk
2020-05-02 06:55 <osmantis> Bug #8678:04 REST (Remote) Console broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8678 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-02 13:26 <Ubit> dunring
2020-05-02 13:26 <Ubit> its a shutdown thing, you know? (coff coff cofff)
2020-05-02 16:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #6898 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-02 16:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6898: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6898/
2020-05-02 16:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do dispose requests in context queue
2020-05-02 17:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #6899 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-02 17:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6899: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6899/
2020-05-02 17:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: also override Output(string format) on remoteConsole
2020-05-02 20:11 <osmantis> Bug #8696:04 Very frequent timeouts with SynchronousRestObjectRequester causing sim hang ups and slowness 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8696 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-03 07:05 <Tampa> mono 6.10 seems to compile just fine, no warnings or errors even under debug
2020-05-03 09:12 <Ubit> it's gc also looked a bit better
2020-05-03 09:13 <Ubit> but my linux box died.. can't look more
2020-05-03 14:34 <osmantis> Bug #8697:04 [PATCH] Implement llRequestUserKey 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8697 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2020-05-03 16:17 <osmantis> Bug #8697:04 [PATCH] Implement llRequestUserKey 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8697 ): Le bogue suivant a été LIÉ au bogue 0008369.
2020-05-03 16:17 <osmantis> Bug #8369:04 [PATCH] llRequestUserKey not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8369 ): Le bogue suivant a été LIÉ au bogue 0008697.
2020-05-03 16:57 <osmantis> Bug #8382:04 TP some time fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8382 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-03 17:05 <osmantis> Bug #8382:04 TP some time fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8382 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-03 17:12 <osmantis> Bug #8681:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Allow to Set First and Last name of a Npc without create new one 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8681 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-03 17:15 <osmantis> Bug #8681:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Allow to Set First and Last name of a Npc without create new one 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8681 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-03 19:34 <osmantis> Bug #8698:04 [PATCH] AppDomain not per script / AppDomain not properly unloading 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8698 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-05-03 19:43 <osmantis> Bug #8698:04 [PATCH] AppDomain not per script / AppDomain not properly unloading 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8698 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-03 19:59 <osmantis> Bug #8698:04 [PATCH] AppDomain not per script / AppDomain not properly unloading 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8698 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-03 20:01 <osmantis> Bug #8698:04 [PATCH] AppDomain not per script / AppDomain not properly unloading 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8698 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-03 20:02 <Tampa> Did you even try his patch Ubit?
2020-05-03 20:02 <Ubit> seem it
2020-05-03 20:02 <Ubit> goes back to one appdomain per script, while per SOG was a improvement
2020-05-03 20:03 <Ubit> or a tradeoff 
2020-05-03 20:03 <Tampa> It fixes an alternative essentially
2020-05-03 20:04 <Ubit> and not using them seems working fine.. no idea why he tells it does not
2020-05-03 20:04 <Ubit> never the less as i said X is a dead end
2020-05-03 20:04 <Tampa> I was gonna ask for environment because depending on that it could be caused by mono or .net problems as well
2020-05-03 20:04 <Ubit> that issue and the "llSleep" issues
2020-05-03 20:04 <Ubit> we need Y
2020-05-03 20:12 <osmantis> Bug #8698:04 [PATCH] AppDomain not per script / AppDomain not properly unloading 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8698 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-03 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #8698:04 [PATCH] AppDomain not per script / AppDomain not properly unloading 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8698 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-03 20:29 <osmantis> Bug #8698:04 [PATCH] AppDomain not per script / AppDomain not properly unloading 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8698 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-03 20:36 <osmantis> Bug #8698:04 [PATCH] AppDomain not per script / AppDomain not properly unloading 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8698 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-03 21:26 <osmantis> Bug #8698:04 [PATCH] AppDomain not per script / AppDomain not properly unloading 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8698 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-03 21:38 <osmantis> Bug #8681:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Allow to Set First and Last name of a Npc without create new one 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8681 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-03 21:43 <osmantis> Bug #8698:04 [PATCH] AppDomain not per script / AppDomain not properly unloading 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8698 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-03 21:48 <osmantis> Bug #8681:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Allow to Set First and Last name of a Npc without create new one 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8681 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-03 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #8698:04 [PATCH] AppDomain not per script / AppDomain not properly unloading 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8698 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-03 21:53 <osmantis> Bug #8698:04 [PATCH] AppDomain not per script / AppDomain not properly unloading 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8698 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-03 22:27 <osmantis> Bug #8698:04 [PATCH] AppDomain not per script / AppDomain not properly unloading 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8698 ): has been CLOSED
2020-05-03 22:32 <osmantis> Bug #8630:04 Memory Leak on YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8630 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-04 11:23 <osmantis> Bug #8696:04 Very frequent timeouts with SynchronousRestObjectRequester causing sim hang ups and slowness 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8696 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-04 11:33 <osmantis> Bug #8696:04 Very frequent timeouts with SynchronousRestObjectRequester causing sim hang ups and slowness 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8696 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-05 07:41 <PiusNoel> Invalid Token when I try to access opensimulator.org using https: https://opensimulator.org
2020-05-05 07:42 <PiusNoel> Who is responsible for the site? 
2020-05-05 09:20 <danbanner> PiusNoel: try http
2020-05-05 12:47 <osmantis> Bug #8696:04 Very frequent timeouts with SynchronousRestObjectRequester causing sim hang ups and slowness 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8696 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-05 12:47 <osmantis> Bug #8696:04 Very frequent timeouts with SynchronousRestObjectRequester causing sim hang ups and slowness 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8696 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-05-05 17:56 <Ubit> meow meow dev outreach meow meow
2020-05-05 19:30 <osmantis> Bug #8678:04 REST (Remote) Console broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8678 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-05 19:35 <osmantis> Bug #8678:04 REST (Remote) Console broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8678 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-05-05 19:36 <osmantis> Bug #8678:04 REST (Remote) Console broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8678 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-05 19:38 <osmantis> Bug #8678:04 REST (Remote) Console broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8678 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-06 15:48 <osmantis> Bug #8678:04 REST (Remote) Console broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8678 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-06 15:49 <osmantis> Bug #8678:04 REST (Remote) Console broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8678 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-05-06 15:49 <osmantis> Bug #8678:04 REST (Remote) Console broken 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8678 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-05-06 23:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #6900 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-06 23:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6900: SUCCESS in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6900/
2020-05-06 23:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add SslMode=None to some connection strings
2020-05-07 01:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #6901 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-07 01:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6901: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6901/
2020-05-07 01:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid a null ref, plus some cleanup
2020-05-07 01:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #6902 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-07 01:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6902: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6902/
2020-05-07 01:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor changes
2020-05-07 01:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #6903 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-07 01:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6903: FAILURE in 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6903/
2020-05-07 01:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change eventqueue queues type, move event methods to other file (using partial class)
2020-05-07 01:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #6904 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6902 15 min ago)
2020-05-07 01:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6904: STILL FAILING in 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6904/
2020-05-07 01:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file
2020-05-07 01:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #6905 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #6902 18 min ago)
2020-05-07 01:38 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-05-07 01:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6905: FIXED in 4 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6905/
2020-05-07 01:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: another missing file
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2020-05-07 13:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #6906 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-05-07 13:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6906: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6906/
2020-05-07 13:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
2020-05-07 16:56 <Ubit> lol ppl telling 5G network caused corona
2020-05-07 16:56 <Ubit> gezzz
2020-05-07 17:15 <AliciaRaven> russian doctor was asked why she was still going to church, she said because u cant catch a virus in the house of god
2020-05-07 17:16 <AliciaRaven> some scary views out there
2020-05-07 20:56 <Aramis^> yeah I read 77 cell phone towers have been set on fire  https://www.yahoo.com/news/77-cell-phone-towers-set-142622729.html because people thing 5G causes virus lol
2020-05-07 20:56 <Ubit> insane
2020-05-07 20:56 <Aramis^> sorry here's original link  https://www.businessinsider.com/77-phone-masts-fire-coronavirus-5g-conspiracy-theory-2020-5
2020-05-07 20:57 <Ubit> "Engineers have also been attacked, with one stabbed and hospitalized according to the CEO of UK telecoms firm BT."
2020-05-07 20:57 <Ubit> gezz
2020-05-07 20:58 <Aramis^> also 3 russian doctors who complained about working conditions "fell out of windows" this week.... 3 this week 
2020-05-07 20:58 <Aramis^> wow
2020-05-07 20:58 <Aramis^> how is lockdown in Portgual, still in effect?
2020-05-07 20:59 <Ubit> first state of lift started
2020-05-07 20:59 <Ubit> some small business etc can now operate
2020-05-07 20:59 <Aramis^> right same here except the few bad counties in Florida
2020-05-07 21:00 <Aramis^> some beaches open but people are being idiots
2020-05-07 21:00 <Ubit> guess most eu is doing or wil so the same
2020-05-07 21:00 <Ubit> allow some things and 2 weeks later decide to allow more, or close
2020-05-07 21:00 <Aramis^> right I want to see 2 week numbers first
2020-05-07 21:01 <Ubit> of course masks are now mandatory on closed spaces
2020-05-07 21:01 <Aramis^> yeah we ordered some cloth ones, this isn't going away so might as well look cool lol
2020-05-07 21:01 <Ubit> ive a ugly green one
2020-05-07 21:02 <Aramis^> paper blue or yellow till the cloth comes
2020-05-07 21:02 <Ubit> at lbsa im wearing a pretty black one :)
2020-05-07 21:02 <Aramis^> i'll have to find one for my av haha
2020-05-07 21:02 <Ubit> some gave me that one
2020-05-07 21:03 <Aramis^> gives me a reason to login and also go to 2nd life, put on masks
2020-05-07 21:03 <Ubit> :)
2020-05-07 21:03 <Aramis^> that will kill 15 min... then what
2020-05-08 04:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #6907 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-08 04:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6907: SUCCESS in 4 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6907/
2020-05-08 04:41 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: make httpserver HandleXmlRpcRequests public
2020-05-08 04:41 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: SampleMoneyModule: add the needed php fake uris, since we no longer folish look for xmlrpc on everything not decoded, return back the reqeusted amount or viewers get confused.
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2020-05-08 13:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #6908 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-08 13:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6908: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6908/
2020-05-08 13:56 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add httpserver HandleXmlRpcRequests with local set of xlmrpc methods
2020-05-08 13:56 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: SampleMoneyModule: add private xmlrpc methods
2020-05-08 13:57 <osmantis> Bug #8681:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Allow to Set First and Last name of a Npc without create new one 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8681 ): has been CLOSED
2020-05-08 13:59 <osmantis> Bug #8688:04 0.9.2.0.207 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8688 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-08 14:01 <osmantis> Bug #8695:04 Animation states randomly get stuck until relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8695 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-08 14:07 <djphil> So could you add a "display name" for the npcs?
2020-05-08 16:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #6909 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-08 16:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6909: SUCCESS in 4 min 40 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6909/
2020-05-08 16:05 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add AddOpenSimExtraFeature to simulator features, so it is done under proper locking. Fix gridservice extra features merge (they override older). This does need a future cleanup
2020-05-08 16:05 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: SampleMoneyModule: suport viewers new opensimextra currency-base-uri sim feature override for helperURI (that we call economy on some ini files, just because)
2020-05-08 16:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #6910 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-08 16:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6910: SUCCESS in 4 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6910/
2020-05-08 16:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: SampleMoneyModule: remove last '/' on currency-base-uri
2020-05-08 17:40 <osmantis> Bug #8695:04 Animation states randomly get stuck until relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8695 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-05-08 17:42 <osmantis> Bug #8688:04 0.9.2.0.207 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8688 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
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2020-05-08 23:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #6911 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-08 23:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6911: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6911/
2020-05-08 23:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: clean a few more things before giving a socket to websockets. (this would happen later anyway)
2020-05-09 06:38 <osmantis> Bug #8695:04 Animation states randomly get stuck until relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8695 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-09 12:44 <osmantis> Bug #8695:04 Animation states randomly get stuck until relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8695 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-05-09 17:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #6912 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-09 18:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6912: SUCCESS in 5 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6912/
2020-05-09 18:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: some viewers send '//' at end of url plus cosmetics
2020-05-10 07:40 <osmantis> Bug #8699:04 Maptile generation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8699 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-05-10 09:39 <osmantis> Bug #8699:04 Maptile generation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8699 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-05-10 09:41 <osmantis> Bug #8699:04 Maptile generation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8699 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-10 09:50 <osmantis> Bug #8699:04 Maptile generation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8699 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-10 09:51 <osmantis> Bug #8699:04 Maptile generation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8699 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-05-10 09:54 <osmantis> Bug #8699:04 Maptile generation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8699 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-10 10:01 <osmantis> Bug #8699:04 Maptile generation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8699 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-10 10:03 <osmantis> Bug #8439:04 Region maptiles - can previous tiles be removed from database as they are replaced by later versions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-10 11:09 <osmantis> Bug #8699:04 Maptile generation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8699 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-10 17:05 <Ubit> grrr seems mono 6.10 is actually a fail
2020-05-10 17:05 <Ubit> weakreferences seem to be strong references
2020-05-10 17:07 <Tampa> Consequences of that is what?
2020-05-10 17:08 <Tampa> It seems to compile and run just fine from what I can tell, haven't gotten a problem report since switching to preview build
2020-05-10 17:08 <Ubit> "memory leak"
2020-05-10 17:09 <Tampa> Got reproduction steps?
2020-05-10 17:09 <Ubit> just look to fcache status
2020-05-10 17:09 <Ubit> "alive" there should go down in time
2020-05-10 17:10 <Ubit> > unCollected Hit Rate: 72.46% (5207 entries 5207 alive)
2020-05-10 17:10 <Ubit>   <-- this is a fail
2020-05-10 17:10 <Tampa> 130000 entries, 4 alive
2020-05-10 17:10 <Ubit> on 6.10.103 or 104 ?
2020-05-10 17:11 <Tampa> 103
2020-05-10 17:11 <Ubit> mb a 104 bug then
2020-05-10 17:12 <Ubit> on 104 i see them stuck in memory
2020-05-10 17:12 <Ubit> > unCollected Hit Rate: 72.44% (5233 entries 5233 alive)
2020-05-10 17:12 <Tampa> Check github maybe there already is an issue open for it
2020-05-10 17:12 <Tampa> Is that a main mono component or a lib like libgdiplus that handles that?
2020-05-10 17:12 <Ubit> good part is the hit rate lol
2020-05-10 17:13 <Ubit> but not nice to load all assets into mem and keep them there
2020-05-10 17:13 <Ubit> structural mono
2020-05-10 17:14 <Ubit> specially things only usefull for a short time like baked textures or avatar meshes
2020-05-10 17:14 <Ubit> next time the avatar returns they are all diferent 
2020-05-10 17:14 <Ubit> ( thats a issue on the disk cache part )
2020-05-10 17:14 <Tampa> Did you compile on that version?
2020-05-10 17:14 <Ubit> 104
2020-05-10 17:14 <Tampa> The only thing that changed is msbuild
2020-05-10 17:15 <Tampa> but since that is binary no idea what they changed
2020-05-10 17:15 <Ubit> i didn't a guinea pig is doing it
2020-05-10 17:15 <Ubit> opos
2020-05-10 17:15 <Ubit> 
ACTION hides

2020-05-10 17:15 <Ubit> well test 103 on same region to compare
2020-05-10 17:15 <Ubit> will
2020-05-10 17:16 <Ubit> well memory on .net is just impossible
2020-05-10 17:16 <Ubit> .net is a total fail on it
2020-05-10 17:16 <Ubit> (mono or win )
2020-05-10 17:18 <Ubit> since i seem things like ("my 100MB array is not released"..  ms answer: "split it in 82KB parts")
2020-05-10 17:18 <Tampa> compile with 104 and run it under 104 see if that works
2020-05-10 17:18 <Ubit> that tells all about the stupidity goin on 
2020-05-10 17:19 <Tampa> https://github.com/mono/mono/issues/19665
2020-05-10 17:19 <Tampa> Collectively shooting the pooch on memory it seems
2020-05-10 17:19 <Ubit> thats other thing
2020-05-10 17:21 <Tampa> No issue ticket that sounds like it is related to this, I guess you could always make one, you know better what parts broken
2020-05-10 17:22 <Ubit> like they never fixed the issue we had with .net4.8
2020-05-10 17:22 <Tampa> I could test that region on 103 if you don't want to rollback mono
2020-05-10 17:22 <Ubit> wait
2020-05-10 17:22 <Ubit> you said you are running it on 104 or 103 ??
2020-05-10 17:23 <Tampa> I still have 103 installed
2020-05-10 17:23 <Ubit> we see the issue on 104
2020-05-10 17:23 <Ubit> > unCollected Hit Rate: 71.40% (5716 entries 5716 alive)
2020-05-10 17:23 <Tampa> Thing is the only difference according to the mono project itself is msbuild
2020-05-10 17:24 <Ubit> well thats what they didnt forgot to list
2020-05-10 17:24 <Tampa> This is commits between releases
2020-05-10 17:24 <Tampa> Only one happened, binary file updates of msbuild
2020-05-10 17:25 <Ubit> but the numbers you shown above where on 103 or 104 ??
2020-05-10 17:25 <Tampa> 103
2020-05-10 17:26 <Ubit> ok
2020-05-10 17:26 <Tampa> its from the warehouse region using a binary that was compiled on 103 as well
2020-05-10 17:26 <Ubit> 104 is as i say: > unCollected Hit Rate: 71.43% (5723 entries 5723 alive)
2020-05-10 17:26 <Ubit> gc is not releasing the week referenced things
2020-05-10 17:26 <Tampa> https://github.com/mono/mono/compare/mono-6.10.0.103...mono-6.10.0.104
2020-05-10 17:28 <Ubit> the few hours i had 103 bf my linux died, it seemed doing a bit better than 6.0??
2020-05-10 17:29 <Ubit> but not this one
2020-05-10 17:29 <Tampa> I suggest just opening an issue ticket on github with them telling them exactly what you told me about weakreference, I suspect they may be able to fix it
2020-05-10 17:30 <Tampa> Since 104 there have been nearly 100 commits, perhaps it is already fixed in master
2020-05-10 17:30 <Tampa> Guess wait and see for 105
2020-05-10 17:30 <Tampa> If not better by then open an issue
2020-05-10 17:31 <Ubit> just scary to read the commits
2020-05-10 17:31 <Ubit> almost as scary as reading opensim ones
2020-05-10 17:32 <Tampa> Less typos though ;P
2020-05-10 17:32 <Ubit> details
2020-05-10 17:32 <Ubit> :p
2020-05-10 17:37 <Ubit> what commit are u testing?
2020-05-10 17:38 <Tampa> OpenSim binary you mean? Couple of days old at this point maybe 10 commits behind master
2020-05-10 17:38 <Ubit> lazy :p
2020-05-10 17:48 <Tampa> I can issue a build from current and restart that region... don't really want to update mono to a potentially broken build just yet
2020-05-10 20:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #6913 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-10 20:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6913: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6913/
2020-05-10 20:35 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove end slash from most URLs we send to viewers
2020-05-10 20:35 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: move currency-base-uri simulator feature to global settings, based on [Economy] economy setting on opensim.ini. make sampleMoney honour it
2020-05-10 20:35 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: comment out estimatedLocalCost test
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2020-05-10 20:58 <Tampa> Give me a ping when 105 is out, hopefully its fixed by then
2020-05-11 00:12 <H-H-H> PING Melanie_T
2020-05-11 00:13 <H-H-H> is it possible to pm you on a semi opensim related topic ?
2020-05-11 00:13 <Melanie_T> yes
2020-05-11 06:52 <Ubit> the weakreferences issue i told about on mono6.10 may had been a issue on the platform of the regions i was lookin
2020-05-11 06:52 <Ubit> a few changes ( don't have the details now) and they are working as suposed
2020-05-11 07:05 <Ubit> i also kinda notice gc a bit more agile as i had seen bf my linux blowup, but 2 soon to tell
2020-05-11 07:05 <Ubit> ( release mode with --desktop option )
2020-05-11 10:25 <osmantis> Bug #8701:04 llSetKeyframedMotion() doesn't completely obey ini setting "DisableUndergroundMovement = false" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8701 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-05-11 10:28 <osmantis> Bug #8701:04 llSetKeyframedMotion() doesn't completely obey ini setting "DisableUndergroundMovement = false" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8701 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-11 10:31 <osmantis> Bug #8701:04 llSetKeyframedMotion() doesn't completely obey ini setting "DisableUndergroundMovement = false" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8701 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-11 10:37 <osmantis> Bug #8700:04 IAR command - Script located in object's inventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8700 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-11 10:38 <Tampa> Sorry, I must have taken the red pill, mysql not able to handle 4gb table sizes, wut
2020-05-11 10:38 <Tampa> No one tell my assets table then, it might cry
2020-05-11 10:39 <Ubit> guess that depends on file system limits also
2020-05-11 10:40 <Tampa> Hm, what was that fat32 that has a max size of 4gb... even then that's not normal
2020-05-11 10:41 <Ubit> i don't remember details.. but limits are there
2020-05-11 10:41 <Ubit> file sizes... max number of folder entries etc etc
2020-05-11 10:41 <Ubit> fat32 is expected to have 4GB limits from the 32bits
2020-05-11 10:42 <Tampa> In reality that only refers to chunks so you can place larger files on there still just not open them without memory consumption or something like that, I don't recall either the specifics
2020-05-11 10:42 <Tampa> But mysql crapping out at 4gb, no just no
2020-05-11 10:43 <osmantis> Bug #8701:04 llSetKeyframedMotion() doesn't completely obey ini setting "DisableUndergroundMovement = false" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8701 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-11 10:43 <Tampa> My assets table consumes 7.2gb of space on disk
2020-05-11 10:43 <Ubit> MyISAM creates data and index table files to permit up to 4GB by default (256TB as of MySQL 5.0. 6), but this limit can be changed up to the maximum permissible size of 65,536TB (2567 − 1 bytes).
2020-05-11 10:43 <Ubit> says google
2020-05-11 10:46 <Tampa> index table files
2020-05-11 10:46 <Tampa> those bin things
2020-05-11 10:46 <Tampa> You can config them
2020-05-11 10:46 <Ubit> that says data and index
2020-05-11 10:53 <Tampa> Does that say how to even check index?
2020-05-11 11:37 <osmantis> Bug #8700:04 IAR command - Script located in object's inventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8700 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-11 12:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #6914 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-11 12:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6914: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6914/
2020-05-11 12:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: more on end slash and uri handler determination
2020-05-11 12:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #6915 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-11 12:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6915: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6915/
2020-05-11 12:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops a bad end slash
2020-05-11 14:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #6916 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-11 14:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6916: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6916/
2020-05-11 14:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove some redundancy
2020-05-11 17:59 <H-H-H> hi diva long time no see :) Hope your well
2020-05-11 18:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #6917 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-11 18:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6917: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6917/
2020-05-11 18:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: test xbakes async/await store
2020-05-11 18:17 <diva> hi H-H-H :)
2020-05-11 18:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #6918 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-11 18:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6918: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6918/
2020-05-11 18:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
2020-05-11 22:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #6919 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-11 22:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6919: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6919/
2020-05-11 22:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: (TEST) add a default root uri GET handler. this may be usefull for some cases.
2020-05-11 22:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #6920 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-11 22:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6920: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6920/
2020-05-11 22:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: give up on simplehandler for root default get for now
2020-05-11 23:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #6921 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-12 00:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6921: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6921/
2020-05-12 00:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: flotsam file touch before expire: gatherer.GatherAll already touchs and tries to fecth all assets. This is nasty to use anyway.. avoid it
2020-05-12 02:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #6922 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-12 02:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6922: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6922/
2020-05-12 02:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: duuhh windows does not update lastaccesstime
2020-05-12 03:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #6923 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-12 03:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6923: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6923/
2020-05-12 03:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: well and it does get all assets, grrr
2020-05-12 17:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #6924 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-12 18:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6924: SUCCESS in 4 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6924/
2020-05-12 18:03 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mk TaskInventoryDictionary IDisposable
2020-05-12 18:03 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: no need to clone something Idisposable when we just want to see values
2020-05-12 19:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #6925 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-12 19:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6925: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6925/
2020-05-12 19:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: silly bug
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2020-05-13 12:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #6926 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-13 13:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6926: SUCCESS in 5 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6926/
2020-05-13 13:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv
2020-05-13 13:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #6927 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-13 13:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6927: FAILURE in 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6927/
2020-05-13 13:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
2020-05-13 13:51 <Ubit> oops
2020-05-13 13:54 <Ubit> duhh whats wrong with you jenkins?
2020-05-13 13:56 <Ubit> oops
2020-05-13 13:57 <Ubit> sorry jenkins
2020-05-13 13:57 <Ubit> :p
2020-05-13 13:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #6928 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6926 1 hr 3 min ago)
2020-05-13 14:02 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-05-13 14:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6928: FIXED in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6928/
2020-05-13 14:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file
2020-05-14 10:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #6929 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-05-14 10:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6929: SUCCESS in 4 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6929/
2020-05-14 10:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a bug on part inventory locking
2020-05-14 11:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #6930 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-14 11:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6930: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6930/
2020-05-14 11:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make sog, sop and sop inventory IDisposable
2020-05-14 11:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #6931 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-14 11:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6931: SUCCESS in 4 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6931/
2020-05-14 11:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add sog TemporaryInstance flag
2020-05-14 12:00 <Tampa> The compiles have been warning-free for a while now
2020-05-14 12:00 <Tampa> Good effort!
2020-05-14 12:30 <osmantis> Bug #8688:04 0.9.2.0.207 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8688 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-14 12:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #6932 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-14 12:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6932: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6932/
2020-05-14 12:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make scenepresence IDisposable
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2020-05-15 13:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #6933 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-15 13:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6933: SUCCESS in 4 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6933/
2020-05-15 13:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: llsdXml: do direct base64 encode
2020-05-15 14:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #6934 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-15 14:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6934: SUCCESS in 4 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6934/
2020-05-15 14:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix typo
2020-05-15 14:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #6935 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-15 14:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6935: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6935/
2020-05-15 14:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv
2020-05-15 14:48 <osmantis> Bug #8702:04 Add setting for voice chat distance 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8702 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-05-15 17:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #6936 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-15 17:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6936: SUCCESS in 4 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6936/
2020-05-15 17:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid null ref
2020-05-15 22:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #6937 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-15 22:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6937: SUCCESS in 4 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6937/
2020-05-15 22:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: timestamp http requests
2020-05-16 00:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #6938 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-16 00:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6938: SUCCESS in 4 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6938/
2020-05-16 00:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: simplify GruntWork on getassets (needs more)
2020-05-16 00:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #6939 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-16 00:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6939: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6939/
2020-05-16 00:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do unpack appearence cacheitems on tps
2020-05-16 01:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #6940 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-16 01:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6940: SUCCESS in 4 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6940/
2020-05-16 01:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing files
2020-05-16 01:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #6941 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-16 01:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6941: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6941/
2020-05-16 01:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
2020-05-16 02:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #6942 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-16 02:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6942: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6942/
2020-05-16 02:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
2020-05-16 12:41 <osmantis> Bug #8702:04 Add setting for voice chat distance 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8702 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-16 12:53 <osmantis> Bug #8702:04 Add setting for voice chat distance 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8702 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-16 14:37 <osmantis> Bug #8702:04 Add setting for voice chat distance 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8702 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2020-05-16 17:05 <osmantis> Bug #8702:04 Add setting for voice chat distance 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8702 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-16 17:08 <osmantis> Bug #8702:04 Add setting for voice chat distance 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8702 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-16 21:10 <osmantis> Bug #8702:04 Add setting for voice chat distance 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8702 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-17 08:39 <osmantis> Bug #8703:04 Instance validation error: 'AvatarBake' is not a valid value for global::OpenSim.Framework.AssetFlags 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8703 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-05-17 09:12 <osmantis> Bug #8703:04 Instance validation error: 'AvatarBake' is not a valid value for global::OpenSim.Framework.AssetFlags 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8703 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-05-17 09:16 <osmantis> Bug #8703:04 Instance validation error: 'AvatarBake' is not a valid value for global::OpenSim.Framework.AssetFlags 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8703 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-05-17 09:30 <osmantis> Bug #8703:04 Instance validation error: 'AvatarBake' is not a valid value for global::OpenSim.Framework.AssetFlags 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8703 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-17 09:44 <osmantis> Bug #8702:04 Add setting for voice chat distance 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8702 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-17 15:01 <Tampa> Each sunday like clockwork
2020-05-17 15:03 <Tampa> Has anyone bothered to look into this?
2020-05-17 15:03 <Tampa> It's a bit annoying cause now not even git is working
2020-05-17 23:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #6945 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-17 23:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6945: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6945/
2020-05-17 23:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add more cooldown to flotsam cache files expire
2020-05-17 23:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #6946 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-17 23:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6946: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6946/
2020-05-17 23:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: whatever...
2020-05-18 00:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #6947 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-18 00:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6947: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6947/
2020-05-18 00:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: .net xml things don't like null terminated strings
2020-05-18 01:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #6948 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-18 01:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6948: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6948/
2020-05-18 01:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: try to work around missing BOM
2020-05-18 03:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #6949 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-18 03:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6949: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6949/
2020-05-18 03:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: revert the use of direct data on xml decode, for now
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2020-05-19 15:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #6950 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-19 15:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6950: FAILURE in 1 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6950/
2020-05-19 15:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8250: make same changes to avatar move to target (still no new OSSL)
2020-05-19 15:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #6951 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6949 1 day 11 hr ago)
2020-05-19 15:10 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-05-19 15:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6951: FIXED in 4 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6951/
2020-05-19 15:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file, of course
2020-05-19 16:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #6952 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-05-19 16:03 <osmantis> Bug #8250:04 llMoveToTarget() in attachment plays 'landing' anim when on a prim floor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8250 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-19 16:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6952: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6952/
2020-05-19 16:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8250: if flying, stay flying
2020-05-19 18:06 <misterblue> there seems to be something wrong with The Meeting Place
2020-05-19 18:06 <Ubit> oh?
2020-05-19 18:06 <Plugh> Looks like there won't be a meeting today, or will be one without me. I can't get to Dev Outreach. When I did it didn't rez properly. I just saw water.
2020-05-19 18:07 <Ubit> the other plaza
2020-05-19 18:07 <Ubit> hurliman os similar
2020-05-19 18:07 <Plugh> We could try that. I didn't see anyone there when I was logged in at a different (non-meeting) location.
2020-05-19 18:08 <Ubit> how could u see if no one knows?
2020-05-19 18:08 <misterblue> I logged into the Meeting Place about an hour ago... now there are several people stuck at the landing point
2020-05-19 18:09 <Ubit> don't know.. bill is not here
2020-05-19 18:10 <misterblue> let's all do to Hurliman Plaza
2020-05-19 18:10 <Ubit> yeap
2020-05-19 18:10 <Plugh> It was after start of meeting time. Others usually get to the meeting location before me. I thought someone else would have tried waiting at Hurliman Plaza if Dev Outreach wasn't working properly.
2020-05-19 18:10 <misterblue> it was working fine an hour ago... much iffy now
2020-05-19 18:11 <Ubit> guess didn't like my last commits
2020-05-19 18:11 <Ubit> our site still tells "due to tech problems with dev outreach region, meetings may also take place at region Hurliman Plaza "
2020-05-19 19:20 <Plugh> No, it doesn't. :)
2020-05-19 19:20 <Ubit> yes it does
2020-05-19 19:20 <Plugh> It did. I changed it. 
2020-05-19 19:21 <Ubit> i just refeshed and saaw it
2020-05-19 19:21 <Ubit> ok dif text
2020-05-19 19:21 <Plugh> I changed it to -> NOTE: If there are problems with the Dev Outreach region the meeting will be held in Hurliman Plaza.
2020-05-19 19:22 <Plugh> I didn't include an HG URL link to the region.
2020-05-19 20:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #6953 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-19 20:53 <osmantis> Bug #8250:04 llMoveToTarget() in attachment plays 'landing' anim when on a prim floor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8250 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-19 20:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6953: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6953/
2020-05-19 20:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8250: a few more changes
2020-05-19 22:00 <osmantis> Bug #8704:04 llGetTime() resets to zero on a region crossing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8704 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-05-19 23:36 <osmantis> Bug #8704:04 llGetTime() resets to zero on a region crossing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8704 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-19 23:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #6954 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-19 23:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6954: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6954/
2020-05-19 23:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8704: fix issues on YEngine
2020-05-20 02:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #6955 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-20 02:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6955: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6955/
2020-05-20 02:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change hg link request log message
2020-05-20 12:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #6956 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-20 12:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6956: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6956/
2020-05-20 12:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv
2020-05-20 19:52 <osmantis> Bug #8250:04 llMoveToTarget() in attachment plays 'landing' anim when on a prim floor 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8250 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-20 20:11 <osmantis> Bug #8705:04 Please see why the textures are not copied. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8705 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-05-21 00:40 <H-H-H> completely random question guys and girls but is there currently a way to upload an image to an opensim server from php or is the only upload mechanism via the viewer?
2020-05-21 02:11 <Tampa> The images, at least in regards to fsassets for example, are stored as jpeg2000 that is then base64 encoded, so technically if you can figure out how to read them you can also write them, but obviously you need to create the database entries for the new asset as well. While that can be done via sql I would say the better option is to figure out how the xml request works.
2020-05-21 02:23 <H-H-H> i wondered if remote admin had anything
2020-05-21 02:23 <H-H-H> doing it via php and sql is possible but a pia lol
2020-05-21 02:25 <Tampa> The xml calls themselves are fairly simple so not really, just capturing them can be tricky
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2020-05-21 14:02 <Ubit> oops
2020-05-21 14:02 <Ubit> guess had a cat typing here
2020-05-21 14:02 <Ubit> sorry
2020-05-21 14:02 <AliciaRaven> was looking for 8 next lol
2020-05-21 14:03 <Ubit> :)
2020-05-21 14:03 <Ubit> mb cats think in base8
2020-05-21 20:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #6957 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-21 21:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6957: SUCCESS in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6957/
2020-05-21 21:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add 2 minor speedups on allow parcel owner more restrive checks
2020-05-21 21:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #6958 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-21 21:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6958: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6958/
2020-05-21 21:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add own version of utf8 getbytes. More recent .net versions (core?) do have similar, but not want got there now, besides only similar..
2020-05-21 23:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #6959 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-21 23:30 <Ubit> "useless changes" uff
2020-05-21 23:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6959: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6959/
2020-05-21 23:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make a bit more use of it
2020-05-21 23:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #6960 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-22 00:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6960: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6960/
2020-05-22 00:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change nullterm arg default true
2020-05-22 13:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #6961 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-22 13:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6961: FAILURE in 1 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6961/
2020-05-22 13:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reduce garbage on WebFetchInvDesc
2020-05-22 13:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #6962 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6960 13 hr ago)
2020-05-22 13:08 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-05-22 13:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6962: FIXED in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6962/
2020-05-22 13:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file
2020-05-22 15:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #6963 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-05-22 16:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6963: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6963/
2020-05-22 16:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix DataSnapShot
2020-05-23 16:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #6964 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-23 16:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6964: SUCCESS in 4 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6964/
2020-05-23 16:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add missing ';' on mysql connection strings
2020-05-24 01:53 <zontreck> Is there any resource documenting all requests and reply formats? The secondlife capabilities page lacks a lot of documentation so i am hoping that someone has at least documented all modern viewer requests / server replies
2020-05-24 01:59 <Tampa> You can re-enable some debug commands that allow you to fetch most of those from robust and simulator
2020-05-24 01:59 <zontreck> That would work- if i wasn't trying to add in a feature that has not been added
2020-05-24 02:00 <Tampa> Which is?
2020-05-24 07:46 <osmantis> Bug #8707:04 MySql8 Compatibility issues mb3 not working as expected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8707 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-05-24 07:48 <osmantis> Bug #8707:04 MySql8 Compatibility issues mb3 not working as expected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8707 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-05-24 07:56 <osmantis> Bug #8707:04 MySql8 Compatibility issues mb3 not working as expected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8707 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-24 07:58 <osmantis> Bug #8706:04 Various exceptions thrown with scripts, attachments, NPCs, etc. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8706 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-24 08:00 <Tampa> utf-8 general ci is what I have for most tables, the others say latin swedish 1...
2020-05-24 09:04 <Aramis^> I see http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Configuration#Database  :  MariaDB (fully supported) - A compatible alternative to MySQL. You need to make sure the selected charset is utf8mb3 (ie 3 bytes). Some instalations default to uft8mb4 (4 bytes) and that will fail
2020-05-24 09:04 <Aramis^> which would be
2020-05-24 09:04 <Aramis^> Charset	Description	Default collation	Maxlen
2020-05-24 09:04 <Aramis^> utf8	UTF-8 Unicode	utf8_general_ci	        3
2020-05-24 09:04 <Aramis^> according to https://mariadb.com/kb/en/supported-character-sets-and-collations/#character-sets
2020-05-24 09:04 <Aramis^> haven't tried it yet database is from mid-2016, i'm scared lol
2020-05-24 09:46 <osmantis> Bug #8707:04 MySql8 Compatibility issues mb3 not working as expected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8707 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-24 09:57 <Aramis^> and https://mariadb.com/kb/en/unicode/ utf8mb3	Currently an alias for utf8.
2020-05-24 09:57 <Aramis^> utf8mb4	Same as utf8, but stores supplementary characters in four bytes.
2020-05-24 09:58 <Ubit> one of our things smoeks on uftmb4
2020-05-24 09:58 <Ubit> a bad table use we have
2020-05-24 09:58 <Aramis^> but i've updated maria since seeing this and i don't see utf8mb3 anymore with PhpMyAdmin
2020-05-24 09:59 <Ubit> ( large thing set as index )
2020-05-24 09:59 <Aramis^> yeah i have db backup, just not the time if it blows up
2020-05-24 09:59 <Ubit> think its a groups table
2020-05-24 09:59 <Ubit> but that char is strange, as i said e2 is a 3 bytes char
2020-05-24 10:01 <Ubit> no idea what the A0 is
2020-05-24 10:01 <Ubit> a 4 bytes one would had been F? ...
2020-05-24 10:01 <Aramis^> so I guess it's utf8_general_ci like Tampa said. also should db have mixed types, InnoDB and MyISAM?
2020-05-24 10:02 <Aramis^> or will all migrations do what's needed
2020-05-24 10:03 <Aramis^> been cheating and using SQLite for 1 new region till I have time
2020-05-24 10:03 <Ubit> sqlite should be the best option for regions dbs
2020-05-24 10:04 <Ubit> but currently its not that good
2020-05-24 10:04 <Tampa> db should be all innodb now
2020-05-24 10:04 <Tampa> myisam is... bad
2020-05-24 10:04 <Ubit> anyone remembers that that char is?
2020-05-24 10:04 <Aramis^> i once ran sqlite up to 5,000 prims before it started deteriorating, so for now I have 1 region at least can unbox etc
2020-05-24 10:04 <Aramis^> can I convert them manually or let migrations do it?
2020-05-24 10:05 <Tampa> You should be able to just tell it to use innodb, that's what I did, so far nothings blown up and that was 4 years ago
2020-05-24 10:05 <Aramis^> can't remember what tool I used to view sqlite db's
2020-05-24 10:06 <Aramis^> ok I can drop and remake, look for that option on import
2020-05-24 10:06 <Aramis^> thats good news
2020-05-24 10:06 <Tampa> I use navicat for db management, dbeaver also a great option on linux and mac
2020-05-24 10:06 <Tampa> You can switch engines of existing tables
2020-05-24 10:07 <Aramis^> i still have old sqlite --> mysql converter that used to be on forge here long ago, basic functions only I think
2020-05-24 10:08 <Aramis^> wouldn't use it now but might help someone if they need a framework
2020-05-24 10:08 <Tampa> I never tried but sqldump may work to move them also, navicat can open sqlite, not sure about dbeaver
2020-05-24 10:08 <Aramis^> sun's coming up, gotta get to the coffin goodnite
2020-05-24 11:02 <Ubit> what heck
2020-05-24 11:03 <Ubit> a test program i did runs faster in debug mode than release???
2020-05-24 11:03 <Ubit> gezz
2020-05-24 11:03 <Ubit> and TWICE 
2020-05-24 11:03 <Ubit> mks no sense
2020-05-24 11:11 <osmantis> Bug #8706:04 Various exceptions thrown with scripts, attachments, NPCs, etc. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8706 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-24 11:12 <osmantis> Bug #8706:04 Various exceptions thrown with scripts, attachments, NPCs, etc. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8706 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-24 11:15 <osmantis> Bug #8706:04 Various exceptions thrown with scripts, attachments, NPCs, etc. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8706 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-24 11:16 <osmantis> Bug #8706:04 Various exceptions thrown with scripts, attachments, NPCs, etc. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8706 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-24 12:09 <osmantis> Bug #8707:04 MySql8 Compatibility issues mb3 not working as expected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8707 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-24 12:13 <osmantis> Bug #8707:04 MySql8 Compatibility issues mb3 not working as expected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8707 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-24 14:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #6965 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-24 14:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6965: SUCCESS in 9 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6965/
2020-05-24 14:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8706: avoid spurius logs on Yengine during object delete
2020-05-24 15:38 <osmantis> Bug #8706:04 Various exceptions thrown with scripts, attachments, NPCs, etc. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8706 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-24 16:03 <osmantis> Bug #8706:04 Various exceptions thrown with scripts, attachments, NPCs, etc. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8706 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-24 16:13 <osmantis> Bug #8706:04 Various exceptions thrown with scripts, attachments, NPCs, etc. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8706 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-24 23:14 <osmantis> Bug #8706:04 Various exceptions thrown with scripts, attachments, NPCs, etc. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8706 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2020-05-25 11:03 <osmantis> Bug #8706:04 Various exceptions thrown with scripts, attachments, NPCs, etc. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8706 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-25 12:22 <osmantis> Bug #8707:04 MySql8 Compatibility issues mb3 not working as expected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8707 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-25 12:29 <osmantis> Bug #8707:04 MySql8 Compatibility issues mb3 not working as expected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8707 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-25 13:42 <Ubit> ajld6419
2020-05-25 13:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #6966 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-25 13:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6966: FAILURE in 1 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6966/
2020-05-25 13:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let engines Suspend and resume scripts return false if script not on that engine
2020-05-25 13:44 <Ubit> why do i keep a pass on the cert.. grrr
2020-05-25 13:44 <Ubit> of course the test part
2020-05-25 13:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #6967 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6965 23 hr ago)
2020-05-25 13:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6967: STILL FAILING in 1 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6967/
2020-05-25 13:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file
2020-05-25 13:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #6968 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #6965 23 hr ago)
2020-05-25 13:54 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-05-25 13:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6968: FIXED in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6968/
2020-05-25 13:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file
2020-05-25 15:34 <osmantis> Bug #8707:04 MySql8 Compatibility issues mb3 not working as expected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8707 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-25 19:51 <osmantis> Bug #8707:04 MySql8 Compatibility issues mb3 not working as expected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8707 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-25 21:52 <osmantis> Bug #8707:04 MySql8 Compatibility issues mb3 not working as expected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8707 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-25 22:05 <osmantis> Bug #8707:04 MySql8 Compatibility issues mb3 not working as expected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8707 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-25 22:16 <osmantis> Bug #8707:04 MySql8 Compatibility issues mb3 not working as expected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8707 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2020-05-26 05:11 <Aramis^> let's try mono-6.8.0.123.tar.xz with libgdiplus0-6.0.5.tar.gz
2020-05-26 05:12 <Tampa> tar? Just use the apt repos
2020-05-26 05:12 <Aramis^> slackware  :P
2020-05-26 05:12 <Aramis^> no sudo apt install here
2020-05-26 05:12 <Tampa> Why do you do this to yourself?
2020-05-26 05:13 <Aramis^> haha
2020-05-26 05:13 <Aramis^> when I first went to choose a flavor, I read that slackware was the hardest/most Unix-like, so I figured if I learn the hard one...
2020-05-26 05:13 <Tampa> Also yes that libgdiplus will fix the memory leak
2020-05-26 05:13 <Aramis^> that was in 1998
2020-05-26 05:14 <Tampa> But you can use preview mono 6.10 also, so far nothings blown up on that
2020-05-26 05:14 <Aramis^> finally learned to properly use the pkgtools correctly though
2020-05-26 05:14 <Aramis^> yeah but that one is on github last .gz is 6.8.0.123 in https://download.mono-project.com/sources/
2020-05-26 05:15 <Aramis^> so I'll use that for now, can you tell I'm BORED???? :)
2020-05-26 05:15 <Aramis^> been raining for the last 72 hours, tornado watches are over at least
2020-05-26 05:15 <Tampa> If you are bored, oh boy I have a kanban board full of stuff you can test if you seek things to do
2020-05-26 05:16 <Aramis^> doing slackpkg updates first that should give me something to fix
2020-05-26 05:16 <Aramis^> you in Tampa, Tampa?
2020-05-26 05:17 <Tampa> Do I sound floridian to you?
2020-05-26 05:17 <Aramis^> no too intelligent  :)
2020-05-26 05:17 <Aramis^> 
ACTION ducks

2020-05-26 05:17 <Tampa> hehe xD
2020-05-26 05:18 <Tampa> Nah never stepped foot across the pond, with that orange over there that'll stay that way for a while
2020-05-26 05:18 <Tampa> You could sit down and update the wiki as well, most of the lsl documentation, what and what isn't implemented etc is very much out of date now
2020-05-26 05:18 <Aramis^> yeah I'm high risk so I'll be wearing a mask for the next year or so, damn good thing I have pretty eyes hehe
2020-05-26 05:19 <Aramis^> I know I see horrible things in the wiki, mentions that have been revised 2 or more times since and have no relation
2020-05-26 05:19 <Aramis^> god knows how anyone new gets this running lol
2020-05-26 05:20 <Aramis^> I do want to at least help with some of that
2020-05-26 05:20 <Tampa> Would also be super helpful if someone tested postgres once more as I am not sure it is confirmed that it works 100%
2020-05-26 05:21 <Aramis^> never played with that, BlueWall used to he and I were only slackware users but he's switched and never around
2020-05-26 05:21 <Aramis^> and Strawberry something used to keep up the MSSQL side
2020-05-26 05:23 <Aramis^> if this works I'll up to dan's latest release too
2020-05-26 05:26 <Tampa> Proper setup of search and groups also missing documentation still
2020-05-26 05:26 <Tampa> Especially how not to configure the datasnapshot to cause massive amounts of spam lol
2020-05-26 05:41 <Aramis^> ok pkg updates didn't kill Php MariaDB MyPhpAdmin or 32-bit multilibs, that's a Good Thing.
2020-05-26 05:41 <Aramis^> now... nebadon's fabled mono install from the forums...
2020-05-26 05:49 <Tampa> Hope that phpmyadmin is secured properly
2020-05-26 05:50 <Aramis^> not open at router
2020-05-26 05:51 <Aramis^> should put the .htaccess file back tho
2020-05-26 05:52 <Aramis^> used to host 10 domains from 2 home machines, only time they ever got in was outdated php-fusion, my fault
2020-05-26 05:52 <Aramis^> sql injection
2020-05-26 05:52 <Aramis^> just wiped the db wasn't bad
2020-05-26 05:53 <Aramis^> but I just rebooted and i see 595 failed login attempts, someone at 118.x.x.x needs a shot fired across his bow
2020-05-26 06:36 <Aramis^> compiling mono, faster computer than last one 5.16 that took 45 min
2020-05-26 07:34 <Aramis^> 61 minutes on the make for mono-6.8.0.123, I know why so slow never flashed the BIOS on server so the 2.83GHz Core 2 Quad is only running at 2.0GHz
2020-05-26 07:34 <Aramis^>  because they want it flashed from DOS  :|
2020-05-26 07:51 <Aramis^> and crash lol
2020-05-26 08:17 <Aramis^^> missing libgdiplus.so.0  https://pastebin.com/b8jkY0f6
2020-05-26 08:42 <osmantis> Bug #8634:04 Request a method to set the position of an avatar when standing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8634 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-26 08:45 <Tampa> Hm only remember this happening way back when it wasn't part of mono so...
2020-05-26 08:46 <Tampa> mono needs to have the assembly part of that else it does not... compile with it, no it doesn't know that it is part of it
2020-05-26 08:49 <Aramis^> i installed libgdiplus0-6.0.5 also, checking now might be symbolic link
2020-05-26 08:51 <Aramis^> god I hate the new file manager in webmin, the old flash one was super fast, this is perl or python I think, cuts dirs into pages, takes forever
2020-05-26 08:53 <Aramis^> ok it dumped them into /usr/local/lib must not be in path
2020-05-26 08:53 <Aramis^> i rebooted so ldconfig would scan for new libraries but it missed these
2020-05-26 08:55 <Tampa> I like how you burden yourself with slackware yet resort to webmin and phpmyadmin, idk, funny somehow
2020-05-26 09:01 <Aramis^> you want me to walk all the way over there??? lol
2020-05-26 09:01 <Aramis^> that's like.... 4 feet!
2020-05-26 09:02 <Tampa> install desktop, vnc into it? or nomachine
2020-05-26 09:02 <Tampa> I get file operations in cli are annoying
2020-05-26 09:02 <Tampa> May want to try cyberduck or mountainduck
2020-05-26 09:03 <Tampa> dbeaver is nice also for database administration
2020-05-26 09:07 <osmantis> Bug #8708:04 OpenSim crashes if a new agent is connecting and their ScenePrescenceState can not be set 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8708 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-05-26 09:07 <osmantis> Bug #8708:04 OpenSim crashes if a new agent is connecting and their ScenePrescenceState can not be set 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8708 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2020-05-26 09:09 <Tampa> rofl presence is so broken
2020-05-26 09:09 <osmantis> Bug #8708:04 OpenSim crashes if a new agent is connecting and their ScenePrescenceState can not be set 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8708 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-05-26 09:10 <Tampa> Like, if someone loses connection on HG but then gets it back robust makes two presence entries and somehow also updates them both until the second internal teleport, then only one is updated
2020-05-26 09:10 <Tampa> Robust about as self aware as a blind, deaf, goldfish
2020-05-26 09:15 <Aramis^> i use putty and webmin, just what i'm used to. love UltraVNC for the good tower, it even read the old RealVNC config file when I first fired it up
2020-05-26 09:16 <Aramis^> all fixed, I just copied them to /lib
2020-05-26 09:16 <Aramis^> tomorrow update to latest OSGrid release
2020-05-26 09:17 <Aramis^> yeah you mentioned dbeaver to read sqlite db
2020-05-26 09:17 <Aramis^> looking at them now
2020-05-26 09:24 <Aramis^> two goldfish talking, "If there is no God, then who changes the water??"
2020-05-26 09:31 <Tampa> mremoteng all day over plain putty
2020-05-26 11:11 <osmantis> Bug #8705:04 Please see why the textures are not copied. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8705 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-26 11:40 <osmantis> Bug #8708:04 OpenSim crashes if a new agent is connecting and their ScenePrescenceState can not be set 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8708 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-05-26 11:46 <osmantis> Bug #8708:04 OpenSim crashes if a new agent is connecting and their ScenePrescenceState can not be set 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8708 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-26 11:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #6969 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-05-26 11:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6969: SUCCESS in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6969/
2020-05-26 11:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: SOP to xml: don't waste space with some unset optional parameters.
2020-05-26 12:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #6970 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-26 12:24 <osmantis> Bug #8708:04 OpenSim crashes if a new agent is connecting and their ScenePrescenceState can not be set 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8708 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-26 12:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6970: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6970/
2020-05-26 12:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8708: dont bother updating something abotu to be deleted ( and that was also wrong)
2020-05-26 13:19 <osmantis> Bug #8708:04 OpenSim crashes if a new agent is connecting and their ScenePrescenceState can not be set 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8708 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-26 13:19 <osmantis> Bug #8708:04 OpenSim crashes if a new agent is connecting and their ScenePrescenceState can not be set 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8708 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-05-26 13:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #6971 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-26 13:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6971: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6971/
2020-05-26 13:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Yeackk bad bad typo
2020-05-26 14:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #6972 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-26 14:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6972: SUCCESS in 4 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6972/
2020-05-26 14:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid potencial null ref
2020-05-26 14:26 <Plugh> Tampa: kanban board? What's that??
2020-05-26 15:20 <BootScout> hello I just followed this tutorial and now I have opensim working on my raspberry pi 3b+...I bought a domain but I don't know how to use it could someone help accomplising it? https://www.s-config.com/opensimraspberry-pi-rasbian-hard-float-works/
2020-05-26 15:37 <Plugh> You want to know how to use a domain?
2020-05-26 18:37 <osmantis> Bug #8634:04 Request a method to set the position of an avatar when standing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8634 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-26 18:48 <osmantis> Bug #8634:04 Request a method to set the position of an avatar when standing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8634 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-26 19:27 <osmantis> Bug #8634:04 Request a method to set the position of an avatar when standing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8634 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-26 23:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #6973 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-26 23:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6973: FAILURE in 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6973/
2020-05-26 23:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: some more suport for a new inventory and asset type
2020-05-26 23:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #6974 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #6972 9 hr 2 min ago)
2020-05-26 23:23 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-05-26 23:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6974: FIXED in 4 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6974/
2020-05-26 23:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: err ok not so fast
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2020-05-27 11:14 <osmantis> Bug #8263:04 Very hard to apply normal or specular material textures consistently 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8263 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-05-27 11:22 <osmantis> Bug #8320:04 XINVENTORY - Underlying connection was closed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8320 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-05-27 16:07 <osmantis> Bug #8709:04 [PATCH] Implement OS commands similar to llCreateKeyValue, llReadKeyValue and llDeleteKeyValue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8709 ): Der folgende Eintrag wurde erfasst.
2020-05-27 16:07 <osmantis> Bug #8709:04 [PATCH] Implement OS commands similar to llCreateKeyValue, llReadKeyValue and llDeleteKeyValue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8709 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2020-05-28 09:57 <osmantis> Bug #8705:04 Please see why the textures are not copied. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8705 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-28 12:10 <osmantis> Bug #8705:04 Please see why the textures are not copied. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8705 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-05-28 18:44 <Ubit> fs did release 6.3.9 for opensim
2020-05-28 18:45 <Ubit> https://www.firestormviewer.org/
2020-05-28 19:35 <Plugh> Hm... the site says not to use the OS viewer on SL. Does that mean they have finally split the viewer in to two distinct versions?
2020-05-28 19:35 <Ubit> it seems to work fine
2020-05-28 19:35 <Ubit> just old mesh uploads issue
2020-05-28 19:36 <Ubit> code using hacd is not as good as the ll code on havoc
2020-05-28 19:36 <Plugh> ok. I'm not likely to be uploading mesh to SL anytime soon.
2020-05-28 19:36 <Ubit> possible also some kdu/openjpeg issues 
2020-05-30 13:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #6975 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-05-30 13:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6975: SUCCESS in 5 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6975/
2020-05-30 13:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: agent preferences needs to work without backend storage
2020-05-30 14:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #6976 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-30 14:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6976: SUCCESS in 4 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6976/
2020-05-30 14:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv
2020-05-30 14:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #6977 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-30 14:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6977: SUCCESS in 4 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6977/
2020-05-30 14:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make some limit use of new libomv things
2020-05-30 16:12 <Ubit> gezz the fan of my new psu dies
2020-05-30 16:12 <Ubit> died...
2020-05-30 16:13 <Ubit> urrey for BS 10 years warraty crap they claim
2020-05-30 16:13 <Ubit> just opened the damm thing and replaced by a older a lot better fan
2020-05-30 16:15 <Ubit> it is still pretty clean..  if anyone wants a fan for decorative purposes only, i can sell it :p
2020-05-30 18:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #6978 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-30 18:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6978: SUCCESS in 4 min 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6978/
2020-05-30 18:49 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: update libomv
2020-05-30 18:49 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: more changes on uuid gatherer
2020-05-30 20:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #6979 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-30 20:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6979: SUCCESS in 4 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6979/
2020-05-30 20:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: and more changes on uuid gatherer and libomv
2020-05-30 20:58 <Ubit> <UUID><UUID>556bce61-aa29-49e2-b4f0-e94f1b2ea752</UUID></UUID> fun :)
2020-05-30 23:44 <Aramis^> but Ubit, you voided your warranty by opening it  ;)
2020-05-30 23:44 <Ubit> yeah the 10yrs one
2020-05-30 23:44 <Aramis^> lol
2020-05-30 23:45 <Ubit> and people believe that
2020-05-30 23:45 <Ubit> gezz
2020-05-30 23:45 <Aramis^> I just returned a Netgear 8-port switch, lifetime warranty, next day delivery of replacement and free return fedex label, can't beat that for $29.99
2020-05-30 23:45 <Ubit> 10 year on modern electronics.. dreams
2020-05-30 23:45 <Aramis^> right
2020-05-30 23:45 <Aramis^> especially anything involving heat
2020-05-30 23:46 <Ubit> yeap
2020-05-30 23:46 <Aramis^> what brand PS?
2020-05-30 23:46 <Ubit> and of course no.. big electrolic caps no no
2020-05-30 23:46 <Ubit> err its inside the pc again
2020-05-30 23:47 <Ubit> a s.. something
2020-05-30 23:47 <Aramis^> np just curious
2020-05-30 23:47 <Ubit> well my coursair did died after less than 2 yrs
2020-05-30 23:47 <Aramis^> wow not good
2020-05-30 23:47 <Ubit> this is the replacement.. NEW
2020-05-30 23:48 <Aramis^> sad quality control needs a beating
2020-05-30 23:48 <Ubit> and was not dust..
2020-05-30 23:48 <Ubit> the pseudo bearings ( that it does not have) just died
2020-05-30 23:49 <Aramis^> probably cheap sleeve bearings
2020-05-30 23:49 <Ubit> its those low friction cheap things
2020-05-30 23:49 <Ubit> my en is failing on the right name
2020-05-30 23:49 <Aramis^> Systemax?
2020-05-30 23:49 <Ubit> no
2020-05-30 23:50 <Aramis^> Sassafras?  :)
2020-05-30 23:50 <Aramis^> try not to think of it
2020-05-30 23:50 <Ubit> shitsomething
2020-05-30 23:50 <Ubit> :p
2020-05-30 23:51 <Ubit> well replaced the fan by a 10yrs old one covered with dust
2020-05-30 23:51 <Ubit> ( did clean it :p )
2020-05-30 23:51 <Ubit> now have that old 600w psu without a fan
2020-05-30 23:51 <Aramis^> yes I used to just rinse them in the sink with sprayer, that didn't work so well on the last one so back to Q-tips and alcohol
2020-05-30 23:52 <Ubit> damm damm coursair one is larger grrr
2020-05-30 23:52 <Aramis^> how many wire connector? 3 wire are all over and cheap, I need a quieter one for front of OptiPlex 755, 92mm but it's 4-wire
2020-05-30 23:52 <Ubit> 3 only
2020-05-30 23:52 <Ubit> i mean 2
2020-05-30 23:53 <Ubit> psu fans don't do pwm.. the psu does
2020-05-30 23:53 <Ubit> well at least on all the dead psus i have around
2020-05-30 23:54 <Aramis^> right
2020-05-30 23:54 <Ubit> ( and some good ones )
2020-05-30 23:54 <Ubit> well electolitic caps are fun
2020-05-30 23:54 <Aramis^> ok going to catch mama kitty and 3 kittens, armed with a new 8-foot fishing net, large drop trap and 3 cans of tuna
2020-05-30 23:54 <Ubit> 40yrs old ones are good a lot of time
2020-05-30 23:55 <Ubit> some 2 yrs old are dead
2020-05-30 23:55 <Aramis^> gotta get her fixed, this is like her 3rd litter already
2020-05-30 23:55 <Ubit> well the 40yrs old are usually a bit larger for same cap
2020-05-30 23:55 <Ubit> but sure did last longer
2020-05-30 23:55 <Aramis^> yes cheap paste capacitors suck
2020-05-30 23:56 <Aramis^> could open a business just replacing capacitors now
2020-05-30 23:57 <Aramis^> my Dad told me how he made a crystal radio set from a Quaker Oats box, wire, diode and made capacitor with layers of wax paper and aluminum foil
2020-05-31 00:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #6980 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-31 00:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6980: SUCCESS in 4 min 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6980/
2020-05-31 00:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: and more changes on uuid gatherer and libomv
2020-05-31 00:46 <Ubit>  Quaker Oats box ??
2020-05-31 00:47 <Ubit> well i made some with bits of galena
2020-05-31 00:48 <Ubit> ge and si diodes also
2020-05-31 01:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #6981 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-31 01:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6981: SUCCESS in 4 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6981/
2020-05-31 01:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix typo
2020-05-31 01:33 <Aramis^> nice re: diodes didn't know you could make your own
2020-05-31 01:34 <Ubit> galena is a point contact diode
2020-05-31 01:34 <Ubit> i mean when used on a radio
2020-05-31 01:42 <Plugh> Aramis^: Those were the days.
2020-05-31 01:56 <Aramis^> right? one thing I never got around to, was going to take Cleveland Institute of Electronics home course, all I know is how to test continuity and voltage
2020-05-31 01:56 <Aramis^> one of my earliest memories is sitting on his lap helping him use suitcase tube tester lol used to be one in every 7-11
2020-05-31 13:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #6982 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-05-31 13:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6982: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6982/
2020-05-31 13:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: and more changes on uuid gatherer and libomv
2020-06-01 01:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #6983 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-06-01 01:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6983: SUCCESS in 4 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6983/
2020-06-01 01:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: show number of prims on attachments show command
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2020-06-01 17:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #6984 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-06-01 17:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6984: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6984/
2020-06-01 17:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: finally enable cap GetAsset(ViewerAssets) by default. Note that users with FS6.0.x will have issues. They need to upgrade
2020-06-01 17:19 <Tampa> I don't quite remember, but can we disable specific versions of viewers also?
2020-06-01 17:20 <Tampa> I suppose it doesn't support wildcards either
2020-06-01 17:20 <Ubit> thing there is a string compare on on its claimed version yes
2020-06-01 17:20 <Ubit> think
2020-06-01 17:21 <Tampa> Okay will see if I can figure that out, makes sense to disable login for old viewers if new code breaks it
2020-06-01 17:21 <Tampa> Else my inbox will explode I bet
2020-06-01 17:22 <Ubit> well ppl should upgrade fs
2020-06-01 17:22 <Ubit> bom on non bom is ugly
2020-06-01 18:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #6985 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-06-01 18:09 <Ubit> maybe that should a option
2020-06-01 18:09 <Ubit> someday
2020-06-01 18:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6985: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6985/
2020-06-01 18:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do not store HUDs on appearence notecards
2020-06-01 19:41 <Tampa> Do you know if Dayturn plays nice with this change?
2020-06-01 19:41 <Tampa> I'll ask Gavin otherwise
2020-06-01 19:47 <Ubit> prob was fs 6.0.x only
2020-06-01 19:48 <Ubit> wel i think :)
2020-06-01 20:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #6986 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-06-01 20:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6986: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6986/
2020-06-01 20:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: expose the option to save HUDs into notecard on the API
2020-06-01 20:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #6987 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-06-01 20:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6987: SUCCESS in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6987/
2020-06-01 20:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change osNpcSaveAppearance to save huds by default like before, so its coerent with past and the other save app methods
2020-06-02 13:11 <osmantis> Bug #8710:04 Unhandled System.IO.IOException while writing FS Assets (Win32 IO Returned 997) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8710 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-06-02 13:28 <osmantis> Bug #8710:04 Unhandled System.IO.IOException while writing FS Assets (Win32 IO Returned 997) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8710 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-02 14:16 <osmantis> Bug #8710:04 Unhandled System.IO.IOException while writing FS Assets (Win32 IO Returned 997) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8710 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-02 14:29 <osmantis> Bug #8710:04 Unhandled System.IO.IOException while writing FS Assets (Win32 IO Returned 997) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8710 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-02 14:44 <osmantis> Bug #8705:04 Please see why the textures are not copied. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8705 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-02 14:47 <osmantis> Bug #8709:04 [PATCH] Implement OS commands similar to llCreateKeyValue, llReadKeyValue and llDeleteKeyValue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8709 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-02 15:08 <osmantis> Bug #8710:04 Unhandled System.IO.IOException while writing FS Assets (Win32 IO Returned 997) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8710 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-02 15:31 <osmantis> Bug #8709:04 [PATCH] Implement OS commands similar to llCreateKeyValue, llReadKeyValue and llDeleteKeyValue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8709 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-02 15:45 <osmantis> Bug #8709:04 [PATCH] Implement OS commands similar to llCreateKeyValue, llReadKeyValue and llDeleteKeyValue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8709 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-02 16:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #6988 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-06-02 16:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6988: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6988/
2020-06-02 16:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid null refs on part inventory, that can happen if only using default animations names for example
2020-06-02 16:52 <osmantis> Bug #8710:04 Unhandled System.IO.IOException while writing FS Assets (Win32 IO Returned 997) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8710 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-02 17:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #6989 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-06-02 17:08 <osmantis> Bug #8710:04 Unhandled System.IO.IOException while writing FS Assets (Win32 IO Returned 997) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8710 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-02 17:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6989: SUCCESS in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6989/
2020-06-02 17:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let objects use default animations
2020-06-02 17:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #6990 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-06-02 17:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6990: SUCCESS in 4 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6990/
2020-06-02 17:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops ToUpper is needed on default animation names
2020-06-02 17:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #6991 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-06-02 17:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6991: SUCCESS in 4 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6991/
2020-06-02 17:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: move the ToUpper to where it belongs
2020-06-02 18:12 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid.
2020-06-02 18:12 <Plugh> This week we are meeting in Hurliman Plaza.
2020-06-02 18:31 <osmantis> Bug #8710:04 Unhandled System.IO.IOException while writing FS Assets (Win32 IO Returned 997) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8710 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-02 21:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #6992 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-06-02 21:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6992: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6992/
2020-06-02 21:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: force Yengine scripts recompile
2020-06-02 23:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #6993 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-06-02 23:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6993: SUCCESS in 4 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6993/
2020-06-02 23:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: replace a clear attachments by a full delete
2020-06-03 00:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #6994 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-06-03 00:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6994: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6994/
2020-06-03 00:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: also show total number of a avatar prims on attachments show
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2020-06-03 11:53 <Tampa> Uh oh I did encounter that attachments stuck on hud thing yesterday, reboot does fix that, but it seems related to the "cannot add more than X things to the same slot" thing
2020-06-03 11:54 <Tampa> I don't remember when that was changed though
2020-06-03 11:54 <Tampa> Seems the default attachment point when it cannot attach to avatar joints is the hud
2020-06-03 11:54 <Tampa> I thought the hud attachments had a higher key and the left hand was the lowest so it defaults upward? or..
2020-06-03 11:54 <Tampa> Really weird bug that
2020-06-03 11:59 <Ubit> that was changed, you can put all attachments on same slot now
2020-06-03 13:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #6995 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-06-03 13:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6995: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6995/
2020-06-03 13:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add some heap variation to floatsam optional cache  expire log
2020-06-04 01:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #6996 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-06-04 01:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6996: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6996/
2020-06-04 01:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: don't load a full xml doc when we just want a single forward parse
2020-06-04 01:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #6997 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-06-04 01:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #6997: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/6997/
2020-06-04 01:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: on simple cases no need to parse at all
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2020-06-07 13:33 <osmantis> Bug #8711:04 Inworld rezzed item which has an associated attachment location loses this when scripts are reset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8711 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-06-07 16:28 <osmantis> Bug #8711:04 Inworld rezzed item which has an associated attachment location loses this when scripts are reset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8711 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-07 17:11 <osmantis> Bug #8711:04 Inworld rezzed item which has an associated attachment location loses this when scripts are reset 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8711 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-06-08 15:12 <osmantis> Bug #8712:04 load oar with --displacement in Z does not alter region sea level set in OAR 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8712 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-06-08 15:13 <osmantis> Bug #8712:04 load oar with --displacement in Z does not alter region sea level set in OAR 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8712 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-08 17:26 <osmantis> Bug #8712:04 load oar with --displacement in Z does not alter region sea level set in OAR 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8712 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-08 19:48 <Ubit> bahh this is hopeless the more we look the more broken crap we find
2020-06-08 19:53 <Ubit> can anyone check what the the max size allowed on xml groups grid service db on field BinaryBucket of groups notices?
2020-06-08 20:16 <osmantis> Bug #8712:04 load oar with --displacement in Z does not alter region sea level set in OAR 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8712 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-08 22:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #7002 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-06-08 22:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7002: SUCCESS in 5 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7002/
2020-06-08 22:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: XmlRpcGroup: try to improve notices attachments
2020-06-08 23:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #7003 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-06-08 23:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7003: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7003/
2020-06-08 23:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: XmlRpcGroup: fix groupNoticesEnabled check
2020-06-09 00:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #7004 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-06-09 00:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7004: SUCCESS in 4 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7004/
2020-06-09 00:08 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: XmlRpcGroup: minor change
2020-06-09 00:08 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: apply similar changes to groups V2
2020-06-09 01:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #7005 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-06-09 01:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7005: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7005/
2020-06-09 01:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change show uptime to 24hour format
2020-06-09 02:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #7006 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-06-09 02:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7006: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7006/
2020-06-09 02:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a typo
2020-06-09 03:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #7007 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-06-09 03:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7007: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7007/
2020-06-09 03:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: also allow purge/delete of LostAndFound folder, or we can not clean it with recent viewers
2020-06-09 12:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #7008 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-06-09 12:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7008: FAILURE in 1 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7008/
2020-06-09 12:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: xinventory connector, remove a garbage dictionary copy. remove naive retry option
2020-06-09 12:34 <Ubit> oops
2020-06-09 12:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #7009 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7007 9 hr 19 min ago)
2020-06-09 12:44 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-06-09 12:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7009: FIXED in 4 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7009/
2020-06-09 12:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: webutil remove some not that usefull timing logs, plust some cosmetics
2020-06-09 17:03 <osmantis> Bug #8711:04 Inworld rezzed item which has an associated attachment location loses this when scripts folder is removed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8711 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-06-09 17:07 <osmantis> Bug #8225:04 Upgrade of .NET MySql Connector to v 6.9.9 doesn't handle unix sockets in ConnectionString 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8225 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-09 17:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #7010 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-06-09 17:45 <Ubit> i did disable logins on dev outreach
2020-06-09 17:46 <Ubit> until bill returns the poor thing is bad
2020-06-09 17:46 <Ubit> it was bad, i made it worse doing a inworld restart (bad as expected)
2020-06-09 17:47 <Ubit> inworld restart will never work on .net/mono
2020-06-09 17:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7010: FAILURE in 3 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7010/
2020-06-09 17:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: some changes on viewer caps detection
2020-06-09 17:48 <Ubit> well i could mk it work hmm
2020-06-09 17:48 <Ubit> yeack  pain.. nm
2020-06-09 17:56 <Ubit> err fail?
2020-06-09 17:57 <Ubit> well yeah
2020-06-09 18:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #7011 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7009 6 hr 5 min ago)
2020-06-09 18:49 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-06-09 18:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7011: FIXED in 4 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7011/
2020-06-09 18:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do store a new flag on region db
2020-06-10 11:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #7012 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-06-10 11:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7012: SUCCESS in 5 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7012/
2020-06-10 11:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: revert some changes to groups V2 that will break external modules, with no special gain
2020-06-10 11:50 <Tampa> Being mean to the sky huh
2020-06-10 11:50 <Ubit> :)
2020-06-10 19:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #7013 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-06-10 19:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7013: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7013/
2020-06-10 19:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv
2020-06-11 16:17 <Ubit> duhh compile without git pull does not work well
2020-06-11 16:22 <Plugh> :)
2020-06-11 18:59 <osmantis> Bug #8713:04 building issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8713 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-06-11 19:05 <osmantis> Bug #8713:04 building issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8713 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-11 19:39 <osmantis> Bug #8713:04 building issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8713 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-12 08:04 <Ubit> hmm in us when its 00:10:00 people say 12:10:00 AM ??
2020-06-12 08:04 <Ubit> ( ie 10min pass midnight )
2020-06-12 08:06 <Ubit> ( 12 hours display is so obsolete )
2020-06-12 08:06 <Ubit> well my code will say 0:10:00 AM :p
2020-06-12 08:23 <Tampa> There is an iso standard for this, viewers don't follow it iirc
2020-06-12 08:23 <Ubit> and what does it tell on this?
2020-06-12 08:23 <Ubit> remmeber?
2020-06-12 08:25 <Tampa> I did not bother reading 40 pages of timestamp standard
2020-06-12 08:25 <Tampa> Way too man word things in it
2020-06-12 08:25 <Ubit> lazy :p
2020-06-12 08:25 <Tampa> Yes
2020-06-12 08:25 <Tampa> Also got better stuff to do
2020-06-12 09:04 <Ubit> there was a aversion to 0
2020-06-12 09:05 <Ubit> romans did not had it
2020-06-12 09:05 <Ubit> considered a void thing so could not exist
2020-06-12 09:06 <Ubit> eu clocks started using roman numerals.. so guess 0 void panic :p
2020-06-13 12:17 <osmantis> Bug #8714:04 Free to copy objects with content inside can't get copied by HG visitors and grid residents 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8714 ): Der folgende Eintrag wurde erfasst.
2020-06-13 12:46 <osmantis> Bug #8714:04 Free to copy objects with content inside can't get copied by HG visitors and grid residents 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8714 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-13 14:56 <osmantis> Bug #8714:04 Free to copy objects with content inside can't get copied by HG visitors and grid residents 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8714 ): Eine Notiz wurde zu diesem Eintrag hinzugefügt.
2020-06-13 15:02 <osmantis> Bug #8714:04 Free to copy objects with content inside can't get copied by HG visitors and grid residents 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8714 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-13 22:52 <osmantis> Bug #8715:04 Estate info not transmitted to other simulators 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8715 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-06-13 23:01 <osmantis> Bug #8715:04 Estate info not transmitted to other simulators 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8715 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-13 23:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #7014 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-06-13 23:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7014: SUCCESS in 5 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7014/
2020-06-13 23:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8715: fix peer http port. thanks GuduleLapointe
2020-06-16 15:46 <Ubit> well that is only needed for old/current viewers
2020-06-16 16:53 <osmantis> Bug #8695:04 Animation states randomly get stuck until relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8695 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-17 08:07 <osmantis> Bug #8716:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osBeep 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8716 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-06-17 09:07 <Ubit> hmm?? beep where??
2020-06-17 09:09 <osmantis> Bug #8716:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osBeep 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8716 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-17 09:12 <osmantis> Bug #8716:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osBeep 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8716 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-06-17 09:12 <djphil> Beep Beep ^^
2020-06-17 09:13 <Ubit> make a beep sound and upload it :p
2020-06-17 09:13 <Ubit> guess there is some like that already
2020-06-17 09:13 <djphil> ... and how to change frequency in realtime ?
2020-06-17 09:14 <Ubit> can't
2020-06-17 09:14 <Ubit> no suport for that
2020-06-17 09:14 <djphil> This is the whole point of Beep ()
2020-06-17 09:14 <Ubit> even language frameworks make that hard to do on programs
2020-06-17 09:15 <Ubit> easier to play a mp3 than make a beep like that :)
2020-06-17 09:15 <Ubit> well but been long since i looked
2020-06-17 09:16 <djphil> it require a oscillator
2020-06-17 09:16 <Ubit> sound cards have all that
2020-06-17 09:17 <djphil> yes
2020-06-17 09:17 <Ubit> some used to have a full range of instruments simulation
2020-06-17 09:17 <Ubit> no idea now
2020-06-17 09:17 <Ubit> you could play music using MIDI files
2020-06-17 09:17 <djphil> yes, sound fonts for midi etc ...
2020-06-17 09:18 <Ubit> guess they still have the synth
2020-06-17 09:18 <djphil> but a Beep is generate bu oscillator (generate a frequecy)
2020-06-17 09:18 <Ubit> thats on the old basic speaker
2020-06-17 09:19 <Ubit> some boxes dont even have it
2020-06-17 09:19 <djphil> Atary and Nitendo like Beep() :p
2020-06-17 09:19 <djphil> Atari*
2020-06-17 09:19 <Ubit> on old pcs that was the only sound u had
2020-06-17 09:20 <djphil> Beep () is basic but it can be extended ... with filters for example
2020-06-17 14:50 <Ubit> don't ask what that '2' is :p
2020-06-18 10:20 <Ai_Austin> Ubit? URGENT
2020-06-18 10:20 <Ubit> hi
2020-06-18 10:20 <Ubit> whats the fire?
2020-06-18 10:20 <Ai_Austin> The last commit on uglysky has a serious typo
2020-06-18 10:20 <Ai_Austin> +
2020-06-18 10:20 <Ai_Austin> +:VERSION 63         #----- parcel enviroment store
2020-06-18 10:20 <Ai_Austin> +BEGIN;
2020-06-18 10:20 <Ai_Austin> +ALTER TABLE `land` ADD COLUMN `enviroment` MEDIUMTEXT default NULL;
2020-06-18 10:20 <Ai_Austin> environment is mispelled
2020-06-18 10:21 <Ai_Austin> n missing
2020-06-18 10:21 <Ubit> oops
2020-06-18 10:21 <Ubit> but it is only a keyword :)
2020-06-18 10:21 <Ai_Austin> column name wrong will be VERY VERY bad
2020-06-18 10:21 <Ubit> well only for humans
2020-06-18 10:22 <Ubit> abs no praticaly effect
2020-06-18 10:22 <Ubit> you know how to fix yr db?
2020-06-18 10:23 <Ai_Austin> I have not installed the commit
2020-06-18 10:23 <Ubit> cleaver :p
2020-06-18 10:23 <Ubit> and clever
2020-06-18 10:24 <Ai_Austin> I usually look at commit diffs before adding experimental stuff.. that's the nature of test branches. I think you should just rename it
2020-06-18 10:25 <Ai_Austin> anyone who goes with such expt. code (and that is probably only you and me on this branch?) knows the risks
2020-06-18 10:25 <Ubit> yeap
2020-06-18 10:25 <Ubit> but its a easy fix for those who know mysql
2020-06-18 10:26 <Ai_Austin> yes.  And I have MYSQL workbench installed too which lets you do that easily. remember there are two typos.. as the wrong spelling is also in the # comment
2020-06-18 10:26 <Ubit> but i almost naned that just env
2020-06-18 10:26 <Ai_Austin> NP
2020-06-18 10:26 <Ai_Austin> thats fine too.
2020-06-18 10:26 <Ubit> its so damm silly the waste just to please human eyes
2020-06-18 10:27 <Ai_Austin> humans are actually quite important in computer systems :-)
2020-06-18 10:27 <Ubit> oops i have that all over 
2020-06-18 10:27 <Ubit> no they are not
2020-06-18 10:27 <Ubit> they are just at one end of the things
2020-06-18 10:27 <Ai_Austin> I see now. its scattered throughput that commit
2020-06-18 10:28 <Ubit> and all this code :)
2020-06-18 10:28 <Ai_Austin> ah well, that's what testing is for.  Ai (Mr. Spelling Checker)
2020-06-18 10:29 <Ubit> ViewerEnviroment
2020-06-18 10:29 <Ai_Austin> yeask.. is that somewhere else?
2020-06-18 10:29 <Ubit> i was coerent !!!
2020-06-18 10:29 <Ai_Austin> I give you that ;-)
2020-06-18 10:29 <Ubit> misspelled but coerent 
2020-06-18 10:30 <Ai_Austin> well, its good its not been done wrongly for multiple data bases at least
2020-06-18 10:31 <Ai_Austin> whoo.. I wonder if this will have any effect on Diva Wifi which has a Diva.Data.MySQL
2020-06-18 10:31 <Ubit> its region side db
2020-06-18 10:32 <Ai_Austin> good. thanks
2020-06-18 10:32 <Ai_Austin> I was about to check
2020-06-18 10:35 <Ai_Austin> By the way you were "coherent" rather than "coerent" :-)
2020-06-18 10:36 <Ubit> :)
2020-06-18 10:36 <Ai_Austin> But my Portuguese is not good :-)
2020-06-18 10:36 <Ubit> yeah rename all this will take a will to fix 
2020-06-18 10:37 <Ai_Austin> take a while?  Or take a will?
2020-06-18 10:37 <Ai_Austin> probably both
2020-06-18 10:37 <Ubit> both
2020-06-18 10:37 <Ai_Austin> :-)
2020-06-18 10:41 <thoys> environment is about the new EEP stuff? :)
2020-06-18 10:41 <Ubit> uglyskies yes
2020-06-18 10:41 <thoys> gotcha
2020-06-18 11:03 <Ubit> yeack 
2020-06-18 11:13 <Ubit> oops 
2020-06-18 11:13 <Ubit> will take a while :)
2020-06-18 13:11 <Ai_Austin> Wow, that's a LOT of places the typo was included!
2020-06-18 13:13 <Ai_Austin> In the commit for fix to lsl functions for parcels enc...
2020-06-18 13:13 <Ai_Austin> OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.World.LightShare
2020-06-18 13:13 <Ai_Austin> a updated viewer to change enviroment";
2020-06-18 13:16 <Ai_Austin> Sent via e-mail in case you missed this on IRC.
2020-06-18 15:23 <Ubit> any one has a imprudence viewer to see how it holds on uglysky?
2020-06-18 15:30 <Plugh> I have 5 viewers installed but imprudence is no longer one of them. I used to have that one.
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2020-06-19 12:10 <Tampa> I edit a prim and after a couple minutes it snaps back to its old size and position
2020-06-19 12:16 <Tampa> This particular prim I set to this scale 3 times now, cause it would not retain
2020-06-19 12:16 <Ubit> get a exorcist...
2020-06-19 12:21 <Ubit> (udp packet loss may explain)
2020-06-19 12:22 <Tampa> I thought so too, but I have no measurable packetloss
2020-06-19 12:25 <Ubit> gezz i never did care about enviroment.. always have midday set
2020-06-19 12:25 <Ubit> now i've no idea how it was supposed to be :)
2020-06-19 12:26 <Ubit> like the 3/1 night day ration
2020-06-19 12:26 <Ubit> i know part of it was done by non linear time distorsion viewer side
2020-06-19 12:27 <Ubit> now was that on pre WL, was that on WL also?
2020-06-19 12:27 <Ubit> (eep time is linear now )
2020-06-19 12:27 <Ubit> well wl viewers are still non linear
2020-06-19 12:28 <Ubit> but not clear to me the impact on day cycles
2020-06-19 12:29 <Ubit> seems that non linear thing should be applied to wl daycyles on converting to eep
2020-06-19 12:29 <Ubit> ll does not do that, but they don't care much abotu old settings.. want the business of new ones
2020-06-19 12:30 <Ubit> ( also guess 99.9999 of regions are just on defaults )
2020-06-19 12:32 <Ubit> dunno just silly having a convertor if things will have wrong timing
2020-06-19 12:33 <Ubit> but seems that no one here or elsewhere cares about all of this
2020-06-19 12:34 <Ubit> wonder why i bother this or that viewer dev, when opensim users don't care
2020-06-19 19:00 <Ubit> what heck
2020-06-19 19:17 <Aramis^> I don't know what the default Sun values were, one of the first things I changed long ago. Vaguely remember maybe half day and half night, I changed to have more daylight when building.
2020-06-19 19:17 <Aramis^> always add this now:   [Sun]
2020-06-19 19:17 <Aramis^>      ; number of wall clock hours for an opensim day.  24.0 would mean realtime
2020-06-19 19:17 <Aramis^>      day_length = 4
2020-06-19 19:17 <Aramis^>      ; Year length in days
2020-06-19 19:17 <Aramis^>      year_length = 60
2020-06-19 19:17 <Aramis^>      ; Day to Night Ratio
2020-06-19 19:17 <Aramis^>      day_night_offset = 0.25
2020-06-19 19:17 <Aramis^>      ; send a Sun update every update_interval # of frames.  A lower number will
2020-06-19 19:17 <Aramis^>      ; make for smoother sun transition at the cost of network
2020-06-19 19:17 <Aramis^>      update_interval = 100
2020-06-19 19:17 <Aramis^> gives me 4 hour day, 3 hrs light 1 hr dark
2020-06-19 19:17 <Ubit> well that is gone now
2020-06-19 19:17 <Aramis^> :(
2020-06-19 19:18 <Ubit> viewers control the sun
2020-06-19 19:19 <Ubit> so all that did nothing now
2020-06-19 19:20 <Ubit> well on new viewers this is all about
2020-06-19 19:20 <Ubit> but some the thins im adding are also features that work on current ones
2020-06-19 19:20 <Ubit> well kinda work :)
2020-06-19 19:20 <Aramis^> ok lol
2020-06-19 19:21 <Ubit> this code is getting more and more a twisted spargetti
2020-06-19 19:21 <Ubit> but my concern is not that now
2020-06-19 19:21 <Aramis^> i bet it is
2020-06-19 19:21 <Aramis^> spaghetti
2020-06-20 03:24 <djphil> hoykey tutoral
2020-06-20 03:24 <djphil> Ooops!
2020-06-21 13:51 <Ai_Austin> I wonder if anyone knows if the MySQL data base table "opensim.regionextra" (which on my DB is empty) is actually used or if its a historical hangover and can be deleted?
2020-06-21 13:52 <Ubit> dunno
2020-06-21 13:54 <djphil> i have regionextra with      RegionID     Name     value
2020-06-21 13:54 <djphil> but I don't know if it is actually used.
2020-06-21 13:54 <djphil> At home it is currently empty
2020-06-21 13:55 <Ubit> yeah no code operating on it
2020-06-21 13:55 <Ubit> possible was a avination only thing, that did got it
2020-06-21 13:57 <Ai_Austin> I saw this as Ubit was adding in extra region  stuff for the uglysky/EEP branch
2020-06-21 13:57 <Ai_Austin> Ubit I assume you kniow the last commit on uglysky when run throws an error?  System.IO.FileNotFoundException: Could not find file 'D:\VW\AiLand\bin\assets\SettingsAssetSet\DefaultDaycycle31.dat'
2020-06-21 13:58 <Ubit> what?
2020-06-21 13:58 <Ai_Austin> Error thrown when the Robust,.exe starts
2020-06-21 13:58 <Ubit> yeack
2020-06-21 13:59 <Ai_Austin> 14:55:34 - [ASSET SERVICE]: Loading default asset set from ./assets/AssetSets.xml
2020-06-21 13:59 <Ai_Austin> 'D:\VW\AiLand\bin\assets\SettingsAssetSet\DefaultDaycycle31.dat'.System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. ---> System.IO.FileNotFoundException: Could not find file 'D:\VW\AiLand\bin\assets\SettingsAssetSet\DefaultDaycycle31.dat'.
2020-06-21 13:59 <Ubit> ty
2020-06-21 14:00 <Ai_Austin> then one second later another error- but probably caused by first?
2020-06-21 14:00 <Ai_Austin> 14:55:35 - [SERVER UTILS]: Error loading plugin OpenSim.Services.AssetService.dll: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. args.Length 2
2020-06-21 14:00 <Ai_Austin> OpenSim.Services.AssetService.dll:AssetService; config is AssetServiceSystem.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. ---> System.Exception: Failed to load AssetService from OpenSim.Services.AssetService.dll:AssetService; config is AssetService
2020-06-21 14:00 <Ai_Austin> OpenSim.Server.Handlers.Asset.AssetServiceConnector..ctor(IConfigSource config, IHttpServer server, String configName) in D:\Temp\opensim-0.9.2.0Dev-497-g53b0ee2\OpenSim\Server\Handlers\Asset\AssetServerConnector.cs:line 70
2020-06-21 14:00 <Ubit> pull :p
2020-06-21 14:01 <Ai_Austin> ah.. I was just updating AiLand grid (on experimental uglysky branch) after the environment typo changes settled down and missed that very last missing files one. will update again now
2020-06-21 14:01 <Ubit> should see 2 things now in opensim lib settings daycycles also
2020-06-21 14:01 <Ubit> nah i missed them on the push :)
2020-06-21 14:02 <Ubit> i had done a git add, but then made a local reset bc i had forgotten other thing
2020-06-21 14:02 <Ubit> that undo that add :)
2020-06-21 14:03 <Ubit> at osgrid, the library is the old one, bc grid was not updated
2020-06-21 14:04 <Ubit> for some odd reason dan does not want to break the grid
2020-06-21 14:04 <Ubit> ;)
2020-06-21 14:06 <Ubit> current viewers should show then with a ? ( fs at least )
2020-06-21 14:07 <Ubit> ( well clear viewer cache blabla )
2020-06-21 14:12 <Ai_Austin> Yep, I am up and runnig with Ailand grid on latest uglysky. Adn wit current FS 6.3.9 I do see the Default Daycycle and default Daycycle(3/1) entries with a "?" icon next to them.
2020-06-21 14:12 <Ai_Austin> hop://ai.vue.ed.ac.uk:8002/AiLand/127/130/26
2020-06-21 14:14 <Ubit> cool
2020-06-21 14:14 <Ubit> that hop thing
2020-06-21 14:14 <Ubit> better use http://
2020-06-21 14:15 <Ai_Austin> the hop:// is for the address bar in Firestorm.
2020-06-21 14:15 <Ubit> yeah viewer specific
2020-06-21 14:16 <Ai_Austin> works in most viewers I think?  I like hops :-)
2020-06-21 14:16 <Ubit> dunno
2020-06-22 13:54 <Ubit> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-16"?>
2020-06-22 13:54 <Ubit> gezzz
2020-06-22 13:55 <Ubit> why did we use utf-16 on oars?
2020-06-22 13:55 <Ubit> ( and reading many as ascii
2020-06-22 14:03 <Ubit> actually no idea where that cames from.. docs say defualt is utf-8
2020-06-22 14:06 <Ubit> and docs are wrong it is utf-16
2020-06-22 14:07 <Ubit> Property Value
2020-06-22 14:07 <Ubit> Encoding
2020-06-22 14:07 <Ubit> The Encoding specified in the constructor for the current instance, or UTF8Encoding if an encoding was not specified.
2020-06-22 14:08 <Ubit> StringWriter sw = new StringWriter();
2020-06-22 14:08 <Ubit> {System.Text.UnicodeEncoding}
2020-06-22 14:09 <Ubit> 		BodyName	"utf-16"	string
2020-06-22 14:10 <Ubit> wonder what mono does
2020-06-22 14:10 <Ubit> grrrr
2020-06-22 14:10 <Ubit> how can ppl like XML ??
2020-06-22 14:10 <Ubit> gezz
2020-06-22 14:21 <misterblue> it has enough options to keep everybody unhappy?
2020-06-22 14:34 <Ubit> incoerent options
2020-06-22 14:35 <Ubit> well this case the .net imp
2020-06-23 15:11 <osmantis> Bug #8715:04 Estate info not transmitted to other simulators 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8715 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2020-06-23 17:59 <Ubit> meow meow
2020-06-23 17:59 <Ubit> plugh's cat.. meow..
2020-06-23 18:13 <osmantis> Bug #8716:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osBeep 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8716 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-24 03:56 <osmantis> Bug #8718:04 Using return in timer event can cause memory leak 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8718 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-06-24 03:58 <osmantis> Bug #8718:04 Using return in timer event can cause memory leak 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8718 ): has been UPDATED.
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2020-06-24 10:18 <cnayl> Saw on the Office Hours chat from last night discussion about orange cloud avatars.  I have noticed this also and it does seem to be just an issue with the current Firestorm viewer (6.3.9.58205) as I was getting it all the time, then I switched back to viewer version 6.0.2 (56680) and all is fine again!   Not sure if this should go in as an entry on OpenSim mantis or Firestorm mantis (or both?)
2020-06-24 10:39 <Ubit> lang??
2020-06-24 10:41 <Ubit> ohh you think it is 6.3.9 ?
2020-06-24 10:42 <Ubit> well 6.3.9 does add BOM
2020-06-24 10:42 <Ubit> but i see it working ok
2020-06-24 10:43 <cnayl> Yes, with 6.3.9 when there is more than one avatar in a region you see the other as a cloud.  I even found my Kitely avatar showed as a 'white doll' to me when I was the only avatar in the Welcome region (although may be a different issue)
2020-06-24 10:43 <cnayl> When I went back to 6.0.2 without making any other changes, all looks good again
2020-06-24 10:43 <Ubit> strange.. that working fine at lbsa
2020-06-24 10:46 <Ubit> but maybe something on the rebake process
2020-06-24 10:46 <cnayl> I guess lbsa may be using FS Assets service? Clutching at wild thoughts!
2020-06-24 10:46 <Ubit> should mk no dif
2020-06-24 10:46 <Ubit> my test regions are not on fs and work
2020-06-24 10:46 <cnayl> Yes, if you do a rebake then it fixes that avatar for everyone until you log out then back in again and same problem
2020-06-24 10:47 <cnayl> I'll switch back to new version of Firestorm and check lbsa
2020-06-24 10:47 <Ubit> every thing on 0.9.2 ( or 0.9.1.1) ?
2020-06-24 10:49 <cnayl> On 0.9.1.1 and Linux (for both server and client)
2020-06-24 10:57 <Ubit> on one of yr grid regions you may test adding
2020-06-24 10:57 <Ubit> BoMSupported = true
2020-06-24 10:57 <Ubit> in opensim.ini [SimulatorFeatures]
2020-06-24 10:58 <Ubit> at a point that was a config option..
2020-06-24 10:58 <Ubit> now always true
2020-06-24 10:59 <Ubit> nahh
2020-06-24 10:59 <Ubit> already hardcoded on 9.1.1
2020-06-24 11:04 <Ubit> what is yr grid HG ?
2020-06-24 11:06 <cnayl> well I went to lbsa with myself and my test kitely avatar and all worked fine, then I went direct to a region on my grid and both myself and my test avatar there showed up okay. Then I logged out for both and logged back direct to the same region on my grid and back to seeing clouds.  From there we both went to Wright Plaza and still show as clouds to each other there. Went direct to lbsa and all becomes good again 
2020-06-24 11:06 <cnayl> and stays good when going back to Wright plaza
2020-06-24 11:06 <cnayl> something magic in lbsa!
2020-06-24 11:07 <Ubit> dunno
2020-06-24 11:07 <cnayl> my grid is  worlds.quintonia.net:8002
2020-06-24 11:07 <Ubit> seen clouds at wright??
2020-06-24 11:08 <Ubit> thats on same code
2020-06-24 11:08 <Ubit> well almost
2020-06-24 11:08 <cnayl> yes, if I go from my grid direct to Wright then I see my test avatar as a cloud and me okay (and vice versa)
2020-06-24 11:09 <Ubit> "me" is a viwer thing.. cached blabla
2020-06-24 11:09 <Ubit> after initical things
2020-06-24 11:10 <Ubit> i do see me fine also :)
2020-06-24 11:12 <Ubit> see my alt fine and vice versa
2020-06-24 11:12 <Ubit> well alt a bit grey
2020-06-24 11:13 <cnayl> okay I see you and test avatar in Minto bit yes, all white apart from headphones on one and hat on other!
2020-06-24 17:40 <osmantis> Bug #8718:04 Using return in timer event can cause memory leak 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8718 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-24 19:37 <osmantis> Bug #8718:04 Using return in timer event can cause memory leak 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8718 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-24 19:39 <osmantis> Bug #8718:04 Using return in timer event can cause memory leak 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8718 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-24 20:49 <Tampa> Er, did the box just die?
2020-06-24 20:50 <Ubit> not sunday, is it?
2020-06-24 20:50 <Ubit> but seems in trouble yes
2020-06-25 20:18 <Tampa> https://pastebin.com/dELReZVy
2020-06-25 20:18 <Tampa> Still failing some tests
2020-06-25 20:19 <Ubit> Expected: less than or equal to -9.9999999999998005E+51d
2020-06-25 20:19 <Ubit>   But was:  0.0d
2020-06-25 20:19 <Ubit> LOL
2020-06-25 20:19 <Ubit> odd thing :)
2020-06-25 20:22 <Ubit> passed all here
2020-06-25 20:23 <Ubit> oops
2020-06-25 20:28 <Tampa> I shall test :)
2020-06-25 20:32 <Tampa> Apparently GridUserService LoggedOut is fired twice on logout, I added a counter to database to see how many times people login, but it increments by 2 and not 1
2020-06-25 20:32 <Tampa> Weird
2020-06-25 20:34 <Tampa> https://pastebin.com/N4cHDh3S
2020-06-25 20:34 <Tampa> Last two failures I hope
2020-06-25 20:46 <Tampa> hg users LoggedOut fires once, local users fires twice, wtf
2020-06-25 20:47 <Ubit> what hell
2020-06-25 20:49 <Tampa> Guess I have to account for that in some way grr
2020-06-25 20:49 <Tampa> Why would it fire twice
2020-06-25 20:49 <Tampa> Makes no sense
2020-06-25 20:52 <Tampa> LoggedOut() is used in some ifs, maybe that's why, odd
2020-06-25 20:57 <Tampa> .contains(";http://") is a bit of a hack, hopefully that works though
2020-06-25 22:57 <Tampa> Okay it builds now yay
2020-06-25 22:57 <Tampa> Tests completed, deployment done... now to testing the env stuff
2020-06-25 22:58 <Ubit> not see anything dif is good thing :p
2020-06-25 22:58 <Ubit> but some things:
2020-06-25 22:59 <Ubit> several viewers will not update env when changed by lightshare 
2020-06-25 22:59 <Ubit> those already didn't when ppl used the viewer to change it..
2020-06-25 22:59 <Ubit> ( than means current singu etc.. )
2020-06-25 23:00 <Ubit> no fixed sun or estate sun..
2020-06-25 23:00 <Ubit> ( sun module gone its options gone )
2020-06-25 23:01 <Tampa> So which viewer works?
2020-06-25 23:01 <Ubit> on that, fs and dayturn
2020-06-25 23:02 <Ubit> think cool vl beta, if you set it to use eep rendering
2020-06-25 23:02 <Ubit> should be able to set fixed sky or daycycle
2020-06-25 23:03 <Ubit> but night may have some duration has day
2020-06-25 23:03 <Ubit> in daycycle case
2020-06-25 23:03 <Ubit> this using current viewers
2020-06-25 23:04 <Ubit> with cool vl beta with eep rendering set you should see other things
2020-06-25 23:04 <Ubit> but the thing does crash
2020-06-25 23:04 <Ubit> and seems even worse on linux
2020-06-25 23:05 <Ubit> if you did update robust, you should see a new folder on library
2020-06-25 23:05 <Ubit> with 2 subfolders
2020-06-25 23:05 <Ubit> one with 2 things
2020-06-25 23:05 <Ubit> see those?
2020-06-25 23:05 <Ubit> the should show a ? on fs
2020-06-25 23:06 <Ubit> considering cool VL (beta) odd things, you should be able to see the new stuff
2020-06-25 23:07 <Ubit> like per parcel enviroment
2020-06-25 23:07 <Ubit> those ? things became editable once copied to a folder called Settings
2020-06-25 23:08 <Ubit> one should be a daycycle for equator (sun raise 6am fall 6pm )
2020-06-25 23:08 <Ubit> other a close to 3 to 1 day / night
2020-06-25 23:09 <Tampa> I'll let you know what I find, but it might take some time, I first have to verify the asset server does not barf these back up
2020-06-25 23:10 <Ubit> there are new assets types
2020-06-25 23:10 <Ubit> actually one type 3 subtypes
2020-06-25 23:11 <Ubit> and one folder type with 3 subtypes :p
2020-06-25 23:11 <Ubit> errr inventory item i meant
2020-06-25 23:11 <Tampa> I do have a types list for reference to image and such so the asset server knows to serve them over cdn, guess those are dynamic so I don't need to add them there
2020-06-25 23:11 <Ubit> ( those ? things =
2020-06-25 23:12 <Ubit> the data of those things is text
2020-06-25 23:13 <Ubit> someone called them notecards  rating to lindens on a meeting :)
2020-06-25 23:14 <Ubit> the permissions on this things are so fun
2020-06-25 23:14 <Ubit> ( well i did no code for them still .. they have one exception )
2020-06-25 23:14 <Ubit> must have Copy always
2020-06-25 23:14 <Ubit> ll things
2020-06-25 23:14 <Ubit> but the no mod  LOL
2020-06-25 23:14 <Ubit> what a fail
2020-06-25 23:15 <Tampa> Permissions are a bit weird anyways whenever I send objects they reach the other end no trans even if its just a prim
2020-06-25 23:16 <Tampa> Not sure what's going on there yet haven't checked the db
2020-06-25 23:19 <Ubit> "normal" assets service does update the new added assets
2020-06-25 23:21 <Ubit> UUID cloud_id = new UUID("1dc1368f-e8fe-f02d-a08d-9d9f11c1af6b");
2020-06-25 23:21 <Ubit> is a must have one
2020-06-25 23:21 <Ubit> i didn't.. in part reason for the branch name :)
2020-06-25 23:23 <Ubit> last singu versions issue on the updates maybe just one line of code
2020-06-25 23:24 <Ubit> i told Liru... nothing seems to had happened
2020-06-25 23:24 <Ubit> did you checked ubittestdt?
2020-06-25 23:28 <Tampa> I am still in the process of actually setting the robust up, damn config files
2020-06-26 05:07 <Tampa> It's really cute how jenkins over mattermost sends build starting notifications with a little prayer icon, as if that would trying to compile bad code xD
2020-06-26 05:20 <osmantis> Bug #8718:04 Using return in timer event can cause memory leak 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8718 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-26 05:21 <Tampa> Apparently when you declare a list in an event scope and then make that event return it copies the list to memory and never lets go?
2020-06-26 05:21 <Tampa> Seems that way
2020-06-26 05:21 <Tampa> Clear the list contents before returning and it all seems to clear, to the lsl mem stat anyways
2020-06-26 06:02 <Tampa> What a dilemma, logout of a local agent fires twice, but the code has no scope to detect it and prevent the second fire from happening, grr
2020-06-26 06:20 <Tampa> F it I'll move it to login see if that works more reliably
2020-06-26 06:35 <osmantis> Bug #8719:04 LoggedOut of GridUserService is fired twice for local users 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8719 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-06-26 06:36 <Tampa> Probably not worth fixing, but hey bug's a bug :)
2020-06-26 12:49 <osmantis> Bug #8718:04 Using return in timer event can cause memory leak 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8718 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-26 12:54 <osmantis> Bug #8718:04 Using return in timer event can cause memory leak 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8718 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-26 20:49 <djphil> Has anyone used osRegionRestart recently successfully?
2020-06-26 20:49 <djphil> It seems completely inactive, nothing happens
2020-06-27 08:46 <PiusNoel> djphil: just tested, it works for me.
2020-06-27 08:48 <PiusNoel> Version: OpenSim 0.9.2.0 Yeti Dev   d7089bc (SIMULATION/0.3 - SIMULATION/0.8) on Ubuntu 20.04 Mono 6.8.0.123
2020-06-27 08:56 <djphil> Ok thanks for the information. For me it does not work (win10)
2020-06-27 08:57 <djphil> I'm going to update my simulators and try again
2020-06-27 08:58 <PiusNoel> ok... if it fails I can later take a look on my Windows 10 , to
2020-06-27 08:59 <djphil> OK, thanks. If I see it still doesn't work, then I will make a mantis for it
2020-06-27 09:00 <PiusNoel> ok
2020-06-27 12:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #7015 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-06-27 12:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7015: SUCCESS in 5 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7015/
2020-06-27 12:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8717: fix local heap use account (will automatlic recompile scripts)
2020-06-27 12:41 <osmantis> Bug #8718:04 Using return in timer event can cause memory leak 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8718 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-27 17:20 <osmantis> Bug #8720:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osRegionRestart does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8720 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-06-27 17:20 <djphil> @ PiusNoel : http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8720
2020-06-27 17:44 <osmantis> Bug #8602:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetProfileServerURI 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8602 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2020-06-27 18:02 <osmantis> Bug #8720:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osRegionRestart does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8720 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-27 18:04 <djphil> Have you take a look under win10 ?
2020-06-28 04:27 <Tampa> So the wiki claims robust can be split by each service, that's apparently no longer the case as some remote connectors are missing
2020-06-28 04:28 <Tampa> It's also great they don't follow a common naming system
2020-06-28 04:28 <Tampa> ...and that this is not at least commented in the example config
2020-06-28 04:28 <Tampa> What a downright pain to track down which service can be split and which can't
2020-06-28 04:54 <osmantis> Bug #8720:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osRegionRestart does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8720 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-28 09:11 <osmantis> Bug #8720:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osRegionRestart does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8720 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-06-28 09:36 <osmantis> Bug #8716:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osBeep 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8716 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-06-28 09:51 <osmantis> Bug #8720:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osRegionRestart does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8720 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-28 09:57 <osmantis> Bug #8720:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osRegionRestart does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8720 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-06-28 10:03 <osmantis> Bug #8369:04 [PATCH] llRequestUserKey not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8369 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-06-28 10:12 <osmantis> Bug #8720:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osRegionRestart does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8720 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-28 10:24 <osmantis> Bug #8720:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osRegionRestart does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8720 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-06-28 10:36 <osmantis> Bug #8720:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osRegionRestart does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8720 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-06-28 10:49 <osmantis> Bug #8720:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osRegionRestart does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8720 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-06-28 10:58 <osmantis> Bug #8369:04 [PATCH] llRequestUserKey not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8369 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-28 11:51 <osmantis> Bug #8716:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osBeep 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8716 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-28 11:55 <osmantis> Bug #8369:04 [PATCH] llRequestUserKey not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8369 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-06-28 12:01 <djphil> @ Ubit : Sorry for Confusing Translation ;)
2020-06-28 15:11 <osmantis> Bug #8721:04 Using either opensim 0.9.1.1 stable or stable source and compiling V2 groups tables are not created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8721 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-06-28 19:50 <osmantis> Bug #8716:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osBeep 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8716 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-29 00:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #7016 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-06-29 00:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7016: FAILURE in 1 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7016/
2020-06-29 00:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do not trust ms documentation about inner stream dispose
2020-06-29 00:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #7017 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7015 1 day 11 hr ago)
2020-06-29 00:21 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-06-29 00:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7017: FIXED in 4 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7017/
2020-06-29 00:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a flag name
2020-06-29 00:34 <Tampa> Does this fix the estate timeout error?
2020-06-29 00:34 <Ubit> what estate timeout ?
2020-06-29 00:35 <Tampa> Well the estate service on the region I have setup, when I open the window in the viewer the first time it fails to fetch the data, timeout
2020-06-29 00:35 <Tampa> Close and open it again and it works fine from then on
2020-06-29 00:35 <Tampa> Comes back after restart
2020-06-29 00:35 <Ubit> thats just vodooo
2020-06-29 00:36 <Tampa> Okay
2020-06-29 00:36 <Ubit> and i don't see it
2020-06-29 00:36 <Tampa> I am almost ready to get env testing, just need to verify I am not an orange fart cloud each new user I create xD
2020-06-29 14:17 <osmantis> Bug #8722:04 HyperGrid Friend Confirmation Not Displayed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8722 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-06-29 14:46 <osmantis> Bug #8721:04 Using either opensim 0.9.1.1 stable or stable source and compiling V2 groups tables are not created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8721 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-29 19:20 <osmantis> Bug #8721:04 Using either opensim 0.9.1.1 stable or stable source and compiling V2 groups tables are not created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8721 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-06-29 19:21 <osmantis> Bug #8721:04 Using either opensim 0.9.1.1 stable or stable source and compiling V2 groups tables are not created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8721 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-06-30 08:58 <Ai_Austin> If Ubit is there.  I sent a suggested wording for the message by e-mail
2020-06-30 08:59 <Ai_Austin> Use v2 - the second one
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2020-07-03 18:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #7018 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7018: SUCCESS in 5 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7018/
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: replace lightshare early work
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: missing file
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: env asset can be any llsd type
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: replace sun module
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: a few more changes on sun position
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: some more changes; add some interface functions
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add some lsl functions
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add other env time function
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add some ossl
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: better keep some things sorted
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: do not display 0:xx:xx PM
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: more on SendViewerTime()
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: and of course i missed a file..
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change legacy altitudes
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: corner cases..
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add some assets
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: store as llsd notation on region db, plus a few more changes
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove dead config options
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix send parcel env version
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add LSL_Integer osReplaceAgentEnvironment(LSL_Key agentkey, LSL_Integer transition, LSL_String environment). note this is a hack, we cant do the ll* one
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: try adding a clear init
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: enable threat check on the new ossl method
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: some fixes on env protocol, forced env, etc
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: cancel forced env on make child agent
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: forced still bad
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: forced still bad
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: and add some untested ossl
2020-07-03 18:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add a 3 to 1 daycycle and make it the default
2020-07-03 18:23 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: missing files
2020-07-03 18:23 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: shut up HG STATUS NOTIFIER
2020-07-03 18:23 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: save/load environments to/from oars
2020-07-03 18:23 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: define again asset file extention settings.bin for bw comp
2020-07-03 18:23 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: actually just go back to extension settings.bin. Actual name it totally irrelevant, as long it is unique
2020-07-03 18:23 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: on load, store the env via the module, so it is stored. This api is still a bit incoerent
2020-07-03 18:23 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: still not good, add more spaghetti
2020-07-07 16:36 <Ubit>  add.. back.. it used to be there, i think
2020-07-07 16:39 <Ubit> ms tells to not call it, if we don't GC just does a mess
2020-07-07 16:39 <Ubit> bah
2020-07-07 17:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #7019 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-07 17:49 <Ubit> dev outreach is back
2020-07-07 18:01 <Plugh> It is? Should we relocate?
2020-07-07 18:03 <Ubit> think bill is about to resart it :)
2020-07-07 18:04 <Ubit> guess better have the meeting at hurl 
2020-07-07 18:04 <Ubit> while bill checkes things
2020-07-07 18:05 <Ubit> he just did updated it
2020-07-07 18:05 <Ubit> so some fixes mb needed
2020-07-07 18:05 <Plugh> oh. We just moved over to Dev Outreach.
2020-07-07 18:05 <Ubit> oops
2020-07-07 18:05 <Ubit> and it is about to restart lol
2020-07-07 18:05 <Plugh> Do we need to move back to Hurl?
2020-07-07 18:06 <Ubit> guess better, today
2020-07-07 18:06 <Ubit> bill just did update it.. somethings may need retouch
2020-07-07 18:06 <Ubit> been several months
2020-07-07 19:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7019: SUCCESS in 2 hr 16 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7019/
2020-07-07 19:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add GC.collect to flotsam cache expire. This is ugly but so is GC
2020-07-07 19:51 <Ubit> errr 2hours ?
2020-07-07 19:52 <Ubit> well rebooting the box
2020-07-09 15:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #7021 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-09 15:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7021: SUCCESS in 6 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7021/
2020-07-09 15:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8675: flotsam cache only log missing files if log level >= 2 (thanks mewtwo0641 ) this log will include things that may not even be assets due to how gatherer works; change a bit filename composition
2020-07-09 15:35 <osmantis> Bug #8675:04 Floatsam Cache - Failed to expire cached file (uuid) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8675 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-09 15:36 <Ai_Austin> I think I found out why the water looks much brighter with EEP settings in OpenSim compared to Second Life in same viewer. In the Default Water (and whenever a New Water is created under Settings) the Density Exponent is set to 2.0.. whereas its 10.0 in Second Life.  Set to 10.0 the water looks much better and similar to that in SL. But is this a
2020-07-09 15:36 <Ai_Austin> viewer or server side thing?
2020-07-09 15:58 <Ubit> i just did answer region, but not sure :)
2020-07-09 16:09 <Tampa> Anyone know what causes: [GATEKEEPER SERVICE]: Agent did not provide a client IP address. ?
2020-07-09 16:17 <Tampa> There is no IP being sent, but only local agents, remote works fine
2020-07-09 16:32 <Ai_Austin> I saw your note Ubit.  If you can change the setting for defauklt water to have a density exponent of 10 for default water and new water which I assume copies default water) then it will work better I think. All other default/new water settings are identical between SL and OpenSim..
2020-07-09 16:32 <Ubit> it actually does not
2020-07-09 16:32 <Ubit> ( making new i mean )
2020-07-09 16:33 <Ubit> now sure where is the midday sky dif
2020-07-09 16:33 <Ubit> i mean not sure
2020-07-09 16:34 <Ubit> those defaults are from fs 6.3.9 xml things
2020-07-09 16:35 <Ubit> well the midday sky settings do look like sl ones
2020-07-09 16:35 <Ubit> this is hard to spot, because on some uuids are the same, so will be on viewer cache
2020-07-09 16:35 <Ai_Austin> its new water/default water not anything to do with Sky Ubit.
2020-07-09 16:36 <Ubit> i did change the water
2020-07-09 16:36 <Ubit> will commit..
2020-07-09 16:36 <Ubit> you did sent a email about midday, remember? :p
2020-07-09 16:37 <Ai_Austin> great... it will be better even if we find some other differnces.  Its the only difference I could see though. And with Density Exponent at 10 it does look much more like SL
2020-07-09 16:37 <Ai_Austin> I know :-)   I am multi-modal
2020-07-09 16:38 <Ubit> and then forget the mode:p
2020-07-09 16:39 <Ubit> ok can try that
2020-07-09 16:39 <Ubit> affects new water creation
2020-07-09 16:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #7022 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-09 16:40 <Ubit> no idea about midday still
2020-07-09 16:41 <Ai_Austin> Forget midday, I think it was just the water difference.  But I will test with new settings and report back.  Can't do that just now.  will do it soon
2020-07-09 16:41 <Ubit> looks like a density multipler dif, bau values are the same and outside ll bug
2020-07-09 16:41 <Ubit> ( that Beq did fix for us, but didn't shared the beta still )
2020-07-09 16:42 <Ai_Austin> Ah,.. I will ask her
2020-07-09 16:42 <Ubit> but not on this.. value is above the bug level ( 0.18 > 0.1)
2020-07-09 16:43 <Ubit> guess way to compare is compare 6.3.9 look and our look
2020-07-09 16:43 <Ubit> 6.3.9 uses viewer internal asset
2020-07-09 16:44 <Ubit> and fear our goal should to look like WL did, not as LL does
2020-07-09 16:44 <Ubit> at least for now
2020-07-09 16:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7022: SUCCESS in 5 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7022/
2020-07-09 16:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change default (in code) waterFogDensity
2020-07-09 16:44 <Ai_Austin> it was way to light, shiny and water too transparent as it was.  
2020-07-09 16:45 <Ai_Austin> see you later
2020-07-09 16:45 <Ubit> cya
2020-07-09 17:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #7023 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-09 17:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7023: SUCCESS in 5 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7023/
2020-07-09 17:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change Midday asset (uuid 6c83e853-e7f8-cad7-8ee6-5f31c453721c) fixing its water. eep viewers cache needs to be clear, region asset cache needs this entry removed (comand fcache deletedefaultassets will remove default assets from region cache, forcing reload from grid). Normal robust asset services should update it grid side. Otherwise, if already present, you will need to change directly on db
2020-07-09 18:49 <Ai_Austin> Ubit... updated Ailand grid, cleared region caches and viewer cache. No changes to MySQL data base as I am unsure what is needed there. started back up.
2020-07-09 18:51 <Ai_Austin> Selecting Midday looks fine now. Creatign new water also appears fine. New daycycle also seesms to have water with density exponent = 10 so its picking up new default water serrtings I assume. dayccyles and default daycycle 3/1 in library seem to have density exponent 10 - maybe that was already present?
2020-07-09 18:51 <Ubit> update robust
2020-07-09 18:51 <Ubit> ohh worked, fine
2020-07-09 18:51 <Ai_Austin> but all regions still have faulty density exponent and look too bright, reflective and transparent water. 
2020-07-09 18:51 <Ai_Austin> and sunrise, sunset and midnight I think are all still wrong
2020-07-09 18:52 <Ai_Austin> the three I assume need amending from density exponent 2.0 to 10.0
2020-07-09 18:52 <Ai_Austin> like midday
2020-07-09 18:52 <Ubit> should not
2020-07-09 18:52 <Ubit> those use values from old wl xml files
2020-07-09 18:53 <Ubit> and those don't have it 10
2020-07-09 18:53 <Ubit> neither has the new midday i think
2020-07-09 18:54 <Ai_Austin> They look quite different from earlier windlight ony setup.  much brighter blue when underwater, clearer see through water, more reflective and bluer heu
2020-07-09 18:54 <Ubit> hmm
2020-07-09 18:54 <Ai_Austin> is the current region settings being off because the MySQL data base needs changing?
2020-07-09 18:54 <Ai_Austin> Theer was masses of LLSD all over the place so I was unsure what to change
2020-07-09 18:55 <Ubit> if you did as i said, they should be in sync with the new assets
2020-07-09 18:55 <Ai_Austin> okay.  well te regions have the bright water wheras when I apply the new water newly created things look fine
2020-07-09 18:56 <Ubit> but you say not the other fixed ones?
2020-07-09 18:56 <Ai_Austin> I will try clearing all caches server and viewer side again now I have AiLand on latest dev master
2020-07-09 18:56 <Ai_Austin> Midday is fuine when applied separately
2020-07-09 18:56 <Ubit> just run the comand i said on the commit
2020-07-09 18:57 <Ubit> that clears only the default assets
2020-07-09 18:57 <Ai_Austin> okay will do.
2020-07-09 18:57 <Ai_Austin> sunset, sunrise and midnight have the same issue we saw with midday
2020-07-09 18:57 <Ubit> sunset looks fine
2020-07-09 18:57 <Ai_Austin> and I have not yet got the right setting for the regions that use shared environment
2020-07-09 18:58 <Ubit> but well we need to clear cache everytime we go sl 
2020-07-09 18:58 <Ai_Austin> let me try again clean and I will run the command you said.  I did not do that as I had an empty region cache and empty viewer cache
2020-07-09 18:58 <Ai_Austin> oh?
2020-07-09 18:58 <Ai_Austin> I go SL all the time
2020-07-09 18:58 <Ubit> yeah tipical issue with viewer hardcoded IDs
2020-07-09 18:58 <Ai_Austin> even runnign SL while I am running (multiple) mOpenSim grids viewers!
2020-07-09 18:59 <Ai_Austin> But test just now was only for Ailand/OpenSim
2020-07-09 18:59 <Ai_Austin> Let me try again
2020-07-09 18:59 <Ubit> if you clear cache and go sl,  those will be used at opensim
2020-07-09 18:59 <Ubit> nothing new...
2020-07-09 18:59 <Ai_Austin> and vice versa?
2020-07-09 18:59 <Ubit> yeap
2020-07-09 18:59 <Ai_Austin> SL always looks fine.. odd
2020-07-09 18:59 <Ubit> same viewers cache
2020-07-09 18:59 <Ai_Austin> yep, I thought so
2020-07-09 19:00 <Ai_Austin> No MySQL DB changes needed?
2020-07-09 19:00 <Ai_Austin> if I follow rest of instructions in commit?
2020-07-09 19:00 <Ubit> no the asset service will load all those assets again at start ( with default settings)
2020-07-09 19:01 <Ubit> the ones on master, of course..
2020-07-09 19:02 <Ubit> note that osgrid has old midday
2020-07-09 19:02 <Ai_Austin> okay.  fcache deletedefaultassets  done and trying again
2020-07-09 19:02 <Ubit> dan will have a pain to update it because their special fsassets
2020-07-09 19:02 <Ai_Austin> Not on OSGrid just now... only Ailand - with all regions on latest dev master
2020-07-09 19:03 <Ubit> that has no provision for this, at least that he knows if
2020-07-09 19:03 <Ubit> also based on the wrong theory that assets are immutabble..
2020-07-09 19:03 <Ubit> some are not :p
2020-07-09 19:10 <Ubit> well it does not look ex the same anyway
2020-07-09 19:25 <Ai_Austin> all cleaned upand fcache deletedefaultassets run again in all OpenSim.exe instances.. so will do some proper visual comparisons =tomorrow now.. Will report back. Thanks
2020-07-09 19:37 <Ai_Austin> Actually I am no sure how to read what density multiplier is actually used in the presets when they are applied.
2020-07-09 19:37 <Ai_Austin> Quick comparisons done though.. coming via e-mail
2020-07-09 23:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #7024 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-09 23:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7024: SUCCESS in 5 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7024/
2020-07-09 23:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change the 4 fixed skys for eep viewers again (sorry). This also fixes the issue of viewers not showing the selected fixed sky. Clear viewer cache. On regions use fcache deletedefaultassets so updated grid ones are used. In alternative use fcache cachedefaultassets to override all default assets by the ones on this commit. Note that this hides the grid ones, and this is lost if you clear the region asset cache
2020-07-10 01:09 <osmantis> Bug #8724:04 Avatar cannot run 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8724 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-07-10 01:11 <osmantis> Bug #8720:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osRegionRestart does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8720 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-10 01:14 <osmantis> Bug #8718:04 Using return in timer event can cause memory leak 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8718 ): has been ACKNOWLEDGED.
2020-07-10 01:17 <osmantis> Bug #8705:04 Please see why the textures are not copied. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8705 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-07-10 01:18 <Tampa> Messy bug reports
2020-07-10 05:12 -!- Aramis^(~Aramis@c-66-229-179-38.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has left #opensim-dev
2020-07-10 07:18 <osmantis> Bug #8726:04 Util STP threadfunc 5 terminated with error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8726 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-07-10 09:13 <Ai_Austin> Ubit, if you are there.. I am fully updated and caches cleared on Ailand and Openvue grids now. Thanks.  I see the settings tick applying properly as you noted. Testing colour appearance now.
2020-07-10 10:16 <osmantis> Bug #8675:04 Floatsam Cache - Failed to expire cached file (uuid) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8675 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-10 10:17 <osmantis> Bug #8675:04 Floatsam Cache - Failed to expire cached file (uuid) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8675 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-07-10 13:09 <osmantis> Bug #8726:04 Util STP threadfunc 5 terminated with error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8726 ): has been ACKNOWLEDGED.
2020-07-10 13:21 <osmantis> Bug #8726:04 Util STP threadfunc 5 terminated with error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8726 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-10 18:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #7025 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-10 18:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7025: SUCCESS in 5 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7025/
2020-07-10 18:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid a null ref during shutdown (one of them..)
2020-07-10 18:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #7026 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-10 19:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7026: SUCCESS in 5 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7026/
2020-07-10 19:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: take some asset classes out of ViewerEnvironment.cs to own files
2020-07-10 19:15 <osmantis> Bug #8725:04 Terrain Effect ChannelDigger needs higher strength value to smooth terrain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8725 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-10 19:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #7027 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-10 19:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7027: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7027/
2020-07-10 19:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8725: increase channeldigger smooth strength, tanks Datapanic
2020-07-10 19:45 <osmantis> Bug #8727:04 [EVENTQUEUE]: (Enqueue) No queue found for agent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8727 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-07-10 20:49 <osmantis> Bug #8727:04 [EVENTQUEUE]: (Enqueue) No queue found for agent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8727 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-10 20:55 <osmantis> Bug #8727:04 [EVENTQUEUE]: (Enqueue) No queue found for agent 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8727 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-11 04:14 <osmantis> Bug #8726:04 Util STP threadfunc 5 terminated with error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8726 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-11 19:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #7028 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-11 19:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7028: SUCCESS in 6 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7028/
2020-07-11 19:55 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix a bug on flotsam getfilename
2020-07-11 19:55 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: check local grid before doing hg fetch asset metadata
2020-07-12 08:57 <BillBlight> opensimulator.org is down again ..
2020-07-13 05:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #7029 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-13 05:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7029: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7029/
2020-07-13 05:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
2020-07-13 18:09 <osmantis> Bug #8728:04 Alter restart a region have Multiple red BASE HTTP SERVER and lost items or textures. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8728 ): La siguiente incidencia ha sido ENVIADA.
2020-07-13 18:11 <osmantis> Bug #8728:04 (0.9.2Dev last ?Alter restart a region have Multiple red BASE HTTP SERVER and lost items or textures. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8728 ): La siguiente incidencia ha sido ACTUALIZADA.
2020-07-13 18:11 <osmantis> Bug #8728:04 (0.9.2Dev last) Alter restart a region have Multiple red BASE HTTP SERVER and lost items or textures. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8728 ): La siguiente incidencia ha sido ACTUALIZADA.
2020-07-13 18:14 <osmantis> Bug #8728:04 (0.9.2Dev last) After restart a region have Multiple red BASE HTTP SERVER and lost items or textures. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8728 ): La siguiente incidencia ha sido ACTUALIZADA.
2020-07-13 20:16 <osmantis> Bug #8728:04 (0.9.2Dev last) After restart a region have Multiple red BASE HTTP SERVER and lost items or textures. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8728 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-13 20:27 <osmantis> Bug #8728:04 (0.9.2Dev last) After restart a region have Multiple red BASE HTTP SERVER and lost items or textures. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8728 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-13 20:29 <osmantis> Bug #8728:04 (0.9.2Dev last) After restart a region have Multiple red BASE HTTP SERVER and lost items or textures. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8728 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-13 20:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #7030 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-13 20:36 <osmantis> Bug #8728:04 (0.9.2Dev last) After restart a region have Multiple red BASE HTTP SERVER and lost items or textures. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8728 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-13 20:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7030: SUCCESS in 5 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7030/
2020-07-13 20:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: disable console command restart, that currently will just break everything ( there is also the restart module that will do the same if used )
2020-07-13 22:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #7031 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-13 22:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7031: SUCCESS in 5 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7031/
2020-07-13 22:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: give up calling gc.collect on flotsamcache. Did nothing visible and has negative side effects
2020-07-14 00:09 <osmantis> Bug #8729:04 LATEST FIRESTORM IS SERIOUSLY FLAWED 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8729 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-07-14 00:15 <osmantis> Bug #8729:04 LATEST FIRESTORM IS SERIOUSLY FLAWED 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8729 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-07-14 00:15 <Tampa> >.<
2020-07-14 00:27 <Ubit> it is broken!! ( how is broken does not matter )
2020-07-14 09:35 <osmantis> Bug #8728:04 (0.9.2Dev last) After restart a region have Multiple red BASE HTTP SERVER and lost items or textures. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8728 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-07-14 15:24 <Ai_Austin> If Ubit is there... or someone else know this...
2020-07-14 15:25 <Ai_Austin> theer does not seem to be a capability string line in OpenSimDefaults.ini for ExtEnvironment.. where does that capability come from to be passed to EEP viewers?
2020-07-14 15:25 <Ubit> it should be there
2020-07-14 15:27 <Ubit> and isn't lol
2020-07-14 15:27 <Ai_Austin> these are the enrtries around that poiubnt in the dev master OpenSimDefault.ini
2020-07-14 15:27 <Ai_Austin> What is odd is that OpenSimDefaults.ini does not contain a Capability line for "ExtEnvironment".. so it must come from somewhere else in the server code.
2020-07-14 15:27 <Ai_Austin>   Cap_EstateAccess = "localhost"
2020-07-14 15:27 <Ai_Austin> but the odd tghing is that my grods work fine with teh EEP beta viewer and parcel override... how come?
2020-07-14 15:27 <Ubit> i just did enable it by default
2020-07-14 15:28 <Ai_Austin> I was trying to help Manwa with her parcel override issue
2020-07-14 15:28 <Ai_Austin> ah, so default is its on if not given?
2020-07-14 15:28 <Ubit> that is a odd issue
2020-07-14 15:28 <Ubit> env is controled only by  if (config.GetString("Cap_EnvironmentSettings", String.Empty) != "localhost").
2020-07-14 15:29 <Ubit> if that is set, then Both are active
2020-07-14 15:29 <Ubit> if not, the entire module is not active
2020-07-14 15:29 <Ubit> no point to have independent ones
2020-07-14 15:30 <Ai_Austin> ah, I see... so ExtEnvironment is on and active if     Cap_EnvironmentSettings = "localhost"
2020-07-14 15:30 <Ubit> yeap
2020-07-14 15:30 <Ai_Austin> maybe worth a comment to that effect in OpenSimDefaults.ini under the line for    Cap_EnvironmentSettings = "localhost" ?
2020-07-14 15:31 <Ubit> not sure why :p
2020-07-14 15:32 <Ubit> but on comment will be there
2020-07-14 15:32 <Ubit> but ok..
2020-07-14 15:33 <Ai_Austin> :-)    for folks like me (and Sara) who are looking where things are that might explain why something does not work. Not sure why her setup does not work for parcel override env settings. My Openvue and AiLand grids work fine with dev master after the change you made on 2020-06-30 19:23-30 19:23 
2020-07-14 15:34 <Ubit> not sure what is issue with sara
2020-07-14 15:34 <Ai_Austin> anyway, that doe snot sound like her issue
2020-07-14 15:34 <Ubit> she sees the flag on the db?
2020-07-14 15:35 <Ubit> Bill had that issue updating dev outreach
2020-07-14 15:35 <Ubit> but then it just worked
2020-07-14 15:35 <Ubit> hmm is she using central estate crap ?
2020-07-14 15:35 <Ai_Austin> I am asking her to check that again.  I see it on miy MySQL data bases with 1 in teh entry for those regios that allow parecl overstide, and 0 if not (the default)
2020-07-14 15:36 <Ai_Austin> central estate?  you mean a separate database for estates?
2020-07-14 15:36 <Ubit> whatever that is
2020-07-14 15:37 <Ai_Austin> I vaguely remember something about tat.  I will ask her
2020-07-14 15:37 <Ubit> our estates code is .. bs
2020-07-14 15:38 <Ubit> but a pain to improve :p
2020-07-14 15:39 <Ai_Austin>    ; Uncomment this line if you are using MySQL and want to use a different database for estates
2020-07-14 15:40 <Ai_Austin> But if she is using a separate data base wouldn't the field still be there?
2020-07-14 15:40 <Ubit> wle that should have the flag also
2020-07-14 15:40 <Ubit> yeah it should
2020-07-14 15:40 <Ai_Austin> its just a different DB but same content I assume?
2020-07-14 15:41 <Ai_Austin> anyway I asked her - just in case its an issue so she checks the table and field name in that DB if so
2020-07-14 15:42 <Ubit> it is working fine both on my test, and osgrid regions, guess yours also
2020-07-14 15:43 <Ai_Austin> yep, all fine for me.. so like you I am not sure what her issue is. I was just trying to help her
2020-07-14 15:44 <Ai_Austin> while I am on. in the EEP code there was a UUID for "rainbow".. what is that.  I have seen rainbox and all sorts of sun/ice effects but have no idea how to bet them.  Someone said the ice, droplet size, etc was the trick, but moving those sliders seems just to wash out the skies.
2020-07-14 15:44 <Ai_Austin> *get them
2020-07-14 15:45 <Ubit> its a rainbow asset i still didn't bother to add :p
2020-07-14 15:45 <Ubit> i dont have the texture
2020-07-14 15:48 <Ai_Austin> but even if its available.. how is a rainbow selected.. there are no UI elements that refer to rainbows
2020-07-14 16:02 <Ubit> no idea
2020-07-14 16:02 <Ubit> for something that took what 3 years? that still seems bad
2020-07-14 16:04 <Ai_Austin> its rather complicated for a UI I would say :-)
2020-07-14 16:07 <Ai_Austin> This SL blogger said she "accidentally" made a rainbow...  https://juicybomb.com/2020/04/21/eep-is-live/
2020-07-14 16:07 <Ai_Austin> Moisture Level: The moisture level in the atmosphere contributes to creating visible rainbows. The maximum value for the moisture level setting is 1.0. To see a rainbow, set your Moisture Level to 1.0, your Droplet Radius to 600, and adjust your Sun position to the horizon. Facing the sun, turn all the way around to face away from it, and your
2020-07-14 16:07 <Ai_Austin> rainbow will be visible on the opposite horizon!
2020-07-14 16:08 <Ubit> :)
2020-07-14 16:08 <Ubit> well we still dont have the texture
2020-07-14 16:08 <Ubit> you can mk it :p
2020-07-14 16:09 <Ai_Austin> sounds like it "just happens" (tm)?
2020-07-14 16:09 <Ubit> ( see how it looks at sl )
2020-07-14 16:09 <Ai_Austin> I will try it and see.
2020-07-14 16:09 <Ubit> i also need to add some things to library
2020-07-14 16:09 <Ai_Austin> this URL has the info includign sun pillars and ice halos round the sun
2020-07-14 16:09 <Ubit> well just because
2020-07-14 16:10 <Ai_Austin> https://community.secondlife.com/knowledgebase/english/environment-editor-r24/
2020-07-14 16:10 <Ubit> i mean opensim library
2020-07-14 16:10 <Ai_Austin> understood.
2020-07-14 16:10 <Ubit> oh and look to those broken permissions
2020-07-14 16:11 <Ubit> at least now allow no copy
2020-07-14 16:11 <Ai_Austin> Ah, theer is even a section URL name for this
2020-07-14 16:11 <Ai_Austin> https://community.secondlife.com/knowledgebase/english/environment-editor-r24/#Creating_rainbows
2020-07-14 16:12 <Ubit> so it is triggered only on special conditions?
2020-07-14 16:13 <Ubit> well we don't have the asset
2020-07-14 16:13 <Ubit> you may see it on opensim, if you saw it first at sl
2020-07-14 16:13 <Ai_Austin> .. do you think its an image then.. a trick?  not just an atmospheric effect in EEP.  Lets see.
2020-07-14 16:14 <Ubit> there is a texture
2020-07-14 16:14 <Ubit> UUID rainbow_id = new UUID("11b4c57c-56b3-04ed-1f82-2004363882e4");
2020-07-14 16:15 <Ubit> there is also this
2020-07-14 16:15 <Ubit>  UUID bloom_id = new UUID("3c59f7fe-9dc8-47f9-8aaf-a9dd1fbc3bef");
2020-07-14 16:15 <Ubit> and 
2020-07-14 16:15 <Ubit> UUID halo_id = new UUID("12149143-f599-91a7-77ac-b52a3c0f59cd");
2020-07-14 16:15 <Ubit> we don't have those still
2020-07-14 16:15 <Ai_Austin> I see.. tricky people :-)
2020-07-14 16:15 <Ai_Austin> all SL viewer textures are CC-BY I think?
2020-07-14 16:15 <Ubit> no idea wither
2020-07-14 16:16 <Ubit> either
2020-07-14 16:16 <Ubit> this things used to be include on viewers basic assets
2020-07-14 16:16 <Ai_Austin> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Second_Life_Viewer_Licensing_Program
2020-07-14 16:16 <Ubit> guess not longer
2020-07-14 16:17 <Ai_Austin> The artwork for the Second Life Viewer is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 License,
2020-07-14 16:17 <Ubit> there are also 
2020-07-14 16:17 <Ubit> ublic UUID normalMap = new UUID("822ded49-9a6c-f61c-cb89-6df54f42cdf4");
2020-07-14 16:17 <Ubit>         public UUID transpTexture = new UUID("2bfd3884-7e27-69b9-ba3a-3e673f680004");
2020-07-14 16:17 <Ai_Austin> CC-BY-SA
2020-07-14 16:17 <Ubit> but guess we have those
2020-07-14 16:17 <Ubit> at least the normal map ?
2020-07-14 16:19 <Ubit> well or not :p
2020-07-14 16:20 <Ubit>  <Section Name="viewer_water">
2020-07-14 16:20 <Ubit>      <Key Name="assetID" Value="822ded49-9a6c-f61c-cb89-6df54f
2020-07-14 16:20 <Ubit> bad name... its the normal map
2020-07-14 16:21 <Ubit> <Section Name="Sea">
2020-07-14 16:21 <Ubit>     <Key Name="assetID" Value="2bfd3884-7e27-69b9-ba3a-3e673f680004" />
2020-07-14 16:21 <Ubit> also bad name
2020-07-14 16:21 <Ubit> well well we do have the ones needed for water
2020-07-14 16:22 <Ubit> (assuming they are right... )
2020-07-14 16:25 <Ai_Austin> I have a rainbow with the SL LL viewer (as that has a separate cache to the Fierstorm one)
2020-07-14 16:26 <Ai_Austin> It can't just be an image.. as I alter the sliders the rainbow changes its appearance. clever trick if its just an image
2020-07-14 16:40 <Ai_Austin> You are right.  In OpenSim moving the mositure level or droplet size sliders just makes an ugly blotchy sky.. no rainbow, ice halo effects, etc.
2020-07-14 16:42 <Ai_Austin> it does not work in Firestorm 6.4.5 even in SL. The assets must not be there too?  maybe they are viewer side supplied?
2020-07-14 16:43 <Ai_Austin> all for now I will ook at this later and ask Willow Wilder and Beq about it
2020-07-14 16:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #7032 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-14 17:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7032: SUCCESS in 5 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7032/
2020-07-14 17:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid c# fun things, plus cosmetics
2020-07-14 17:08 <BillBlight> Updating Outreach , should be good for the meeting
2020-07-14 17:10 <Ubit> we hope :)
2020-07-14 17:10 <BillBlight> Unless of course Ubit broke it ..............................Again
2020-07-14 17:10 <BillBlight> :P
2020-07-14 17:11 <Ubit> :)
2020-07-14 17:18 <BillBlight> I have outreach checking for updates auto again, except 2 hours before and after the meeting, it sends a region notice when it is going to update ..  Just an FYI if someone is messing around on there  ...
2020-07-14 17:57 <BillBlight> Meeting Time
2020-07-14 17:57 <BillBlight> Someone inform Plugh's cat
2020-07-14 18:00 <Ubit> meow meow.. meow!!
2020-07-14 18:00 <Ubit> you need to learn cats english Bill
2020-07-14 19:36 <Ai_Austin> Hi again Ubit if you are still around... see e-mail I sent you a Sky settings asset with rainbow and Sun Ice halo effects in SL.
2020-07-14 19:36 <Ubit> ok ill look
2020-07-14 19:36 <Ubit> ty
2020-07-14 19:37 <Ai_Austin> works in LL viewer and FS 6.4.5.60737 (SL only version) But doe sNOT work in Beq's 6.4.5.60737 for OpenSimulator.  Note SL only.. so something is up
2020-07-14 19:37 <Ubit> hmm?
2020-07-14 19:37 <Ai_Austin> I cced her on e-mail and sent her same asset.
2020-07-14 19:37 <Ubit> what does not work?
2020-07-14 19:37 <Ubit> the settings to kick rainbow in?
2020-07-14 19:37 <Ai_Austin> VERY odd, as they are based on same code so it must eb an OpenSimulator specifc pathway in te code that is messign this up - even when logged onto SL
2020-07-14 19:38 <Ai_Austin> I just followed.. https://community.secondlife.com/knowledgebase/english/environment-editor-r24/#Creating_rainbows
2020-07-14 19:38 <Ai_Austin> I sent two images on rainbow and sun halo also as seen in SL
2020-07-14 19:41 <Ai_Austin> Hope you saw the note that the comments in last commit has the environment typo in it again :-)
2020-07-14 19:42 <Ubit> oh??
2020-07-14 19:42 <Ubit> on code?
2020-07-14 19:42 <Ai_Austin> no in comment only
2020-07-14 19:42 <Ubit> ok
2020-07-14 19:42 <Ubit> you need to change that english word
2020-07-14 19:43 <Ai_Austin> okay, I will try to arrange that :-)
2020-07-14 19:43 <Ai_Austin> / this also controls ExtEnviroment cap
2020-07-14 19:43 <Ubit> ( note that the typo is there on the db field !! )
2020-07-14 19:43 <Ai_Austin> should be ExtEnvironment
2020-07-14 19:43 <Ubit> grr
2020-07-14 19:43 <Ai_Austin>  saw that.  I thought you had made tall those hundreds of changes fix that? 
2020-07-14 19:43 <Ubit> ok fixed
2020-07-14 19:44 <Ai_Austin> is DB change harder I assume. 
2020-07-14 19:44 <Ubit> i kept that to not mk a mess with dbs already created
2020-07-14 19:44 <Ubit> or updated
2020-07-14 19:44 <Ai_Austin> buit anyone on 0.9.2.0 dev master must know change is likely?
2020-07-14 19:45 <Ubit> ?
2020-07-14 19:45 <Ai_Austin> though advice o what to do if it needs manual intervention is always most welcome 
2020-07-14 19:45 <Ubit> yeah
2020-07-14 19:45 <Ubit> but im also 2 lazy to change my own dbs :P
2020-07-14 19:45 <Ai_Austin> I guess OSGrid is harder to change due to its scale
2020-07-14 19:45 <Ai_Austin> is it something a DB migration can do?
2020-07-14 19:46 <Ubit> let the typo be
2020-07-14 19:46 <Ubit> cpu does not care
2020-07-14 19:46 <Ai_Austin> :-)  are you a CPU?
2020-07-14 19:47 <Ubit> :)
2020-07-14 19:47 <Ubit> and there is that C-3PO job issue
2020-07-14 19:47 <Ubit> :p
2020-07-14 19:48 <Ai_Austin> Hopefully Beq will recognise what is hapening with the rainbow, halo and some other settings that go wonky in the "with OpenSimulator" version.  The sky can go blotchy with some other sliders too.
2020-07-14 19:48 <Ai_Austin> Must go. best wishes
2020-07-14 19:48 <Ubit> ok ty
2020-07-15 00:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #7033 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-15 00:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7033: SUCCESS in 5 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7033/
2020-07-15 00:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: useless cosmetics
2020-07-15 04:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #7034 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-15 04:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7034: SUCCESS in 5 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7034/
2020-07-15 04:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: useless changes
2020-07-15 18:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #7035 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-15 18:39 <Ubit> it is a fail jenkis
2020-07-15 18:41 <Ubit> is this sunday?
2020-07-15 18:42 <Ubit> seems so.. uff
2020-07-15 18:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #7036 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-15 19:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7036: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7036/
2020-07-15 19:03 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: cosmetics
2020-07-15 19:03 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: dispose prematurely discon sockets
2020-07-15 19:03 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: missing file
2020-07-15 19:26 <osmantis> Bug #8730:04 Applying EEP Assets on parcels owned by pre existing groups does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8730 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-07-15 19:59 <osmantis> Bug #8730:04 Applying EEP Assets on parcels owned by pre existing groups does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8730 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-15 20:17 <osmantis> Bug #8730:04 Applying EEP Assets on parcels owned by pre existing groups does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8730 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-15 21:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #7037 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-15 22:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7037: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7037/
2020-07-15 22:00 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change parcel env group power check to only parcel environment modify
2020-07-15 22:00 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: allow the use of Sky or water from a asset, not just full daycycle. This may need more work
2020-07-15 22:04 <osmantis> Bug #8730:04 Applying EEP Assets on parcels owned by pre existing groups does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8730 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-16 00:57 <osmantis> Bug #8730:04 Applying EEP Assets on parcels owned by pre existing groups does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8730 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-16 09:48 <Ai_Austin> Ubit.. if you are there. I am looking at the allowed abilities in groups.  the "Owner" role has the recvent two additional abilities unchecked (ban lines and the parcel environment ones).. but they are greyed out and even the gorup owner when the group si active cannot tick them to add them to the owner abioity.  I can COPY that owner role to say
2020-07-16 09:48 <Ai_Austin> "oener2" and then its tickable.  is theer any resoan these abilities would not be changeable for owner role?  I am using groups v2.
2020-07-16 09:59 <Ai_Austin> Will make a mantis
2020-07-16 10:05 <osmantis> Bug #8731:04 [Groups v2] Owner Role does not have five recently added abilities ticked, and even owner cannot change this 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8731 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-07-16 10:10 <osmantis> Bug #8731:04 [Groups v2] Owner Role does not have five recently added abilities ticked, and even owner cannot change this 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8731 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-07-16 13:31 <osmantis> Bug #8731:04 [Groups v2] Owner Role does not have five recently added abilities ticked, and even owner cannot change this 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8731 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-07-16 16:20 <osmantis> Bug #8731:04 [Groups v2] Owner Role does not have five recently added abilities ticked, and even owner cannot change this 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8731 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-16 17:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #7038 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-16 17:26 <Ubit> well more things for gc to forget to release.. uff
2020-07-16 17:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7038: SUCCESS in 5 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7038/
2020-07-16 17:29 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add a expire cache for simple items that can be a stored on a dictionary key, not value
2020-07-16 17:29 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: cache bad folders requests for 30s. Suitcase can induce a ton of this, and viewers keep requesting
2020-07-16 22:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #7039 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-16 22:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7039: SUCCESS in 5 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7039/
2020-07-16 22:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add another asset. This may not be that good still :(
2020-07-17 19:38 <osmantis> Bug #8732:04 osForceOtherSit only works at less than 10m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8732 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-07-17 19:47 <osmantis> Bug #8732:04 osForceOtherSit only works at less than 10m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8732 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-17 21:51 <osmantis> Bug #8732:04 osForceOtherSit only works at less than 10m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8732 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-18 02:23 <osmantis> Bug #8733:04 Unable to run updated OpenSim.exe - immediate crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8733 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-07-18 07:36 <osmantis> Bug #8732:04 osForceOtherSit only works at less than 10m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8732 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-18 07:42 <osmantis> Bug #8732:04 osForceOtherSit only works at less than 10m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8732 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-18 12:34 <osmantis> Bug #8733:04 Unable to run updated OpenSim.exe - immediate crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8733 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-18 12:39 <osmantis> Bug #8731:04 [Groups v2] Owner Role does not have five recently added abilities ticked, and even owner cannot change this 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8731 ): has been ACKNOWLEDGED.
2020-07-18 12:41 <osmantis> Bug #8728:04 (0.9.2Dev last) After restart a region have Multiple red BASE HTTP SERVER and lost items or textures. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8728 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-18 14:46 <osmantis> Bug #8728:04 (0.9.2Dev last) After restart a region have Multiple red BASE HTTP SERVER and lost items or textures. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8728 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-07-18 14:48 <osmantis> Bug #8728:04 (0.9.2Dev last) After restart a region have Multiple red BASE HTTP SERVER and lost items or textures. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8728 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-07-18 19:47 <osmantis> Bug #8732:04 osForceOtherSit only works at less than 10m 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8732 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-18 22:30 <osmantis> Bug #8720:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osRegionRestart does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8720 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-07-18 22:33 <osmantis> Bug #8716:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osBeep 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8716 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2020-07-18 22:33 <osmantis> Bug #8716:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osBeep 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8716 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2020-07-18 22:38 <osmantis> Bug #8720:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osRegionRestart does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8720 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2020-07-19 07:03 <osmantis> Bug #8720:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osRegionRestart does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8720 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-19 08:17 <osmantis> Bug #8720:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osRegionRestart does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8720 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-07-19 09:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #7040 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-19 09:49 <osmantis> Bug #8720:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osRegionRestart does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8720 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-07-19 10:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7040: SUCCESS in 22 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7040/
2020-07-19 10:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  add/change some assets
2020-07-19 13:54 <Ai_Austin> Ubit.. are you there?
2020-07-19 13:54 <Ai_Austin> I found the issue with blitchy skies
2020-07-19 13:54 <Ai_Austin> *blotchy
2020-07-19 13:55 <Ai_Austin> Will send e-mail with details
2020-07-20 03:56 <osmantis> Bug #8733:04 Unable to run updated OpenSim.exe - immediate crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8733 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-20 03:58 <osmantis> Bug #8733:04 Unable to run updated OpenSim.exe - immediate crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8733 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-20 03:59 <osmantis> Bug #8733:04 Unable to run updated OpenSim.exe - immediate crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8733 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-07-20 04:07 <osmantis> Bug #8733:04 Unable to run updated OpenSim.exe - immediate crash 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8733 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-07-20 04:38 <osmantis> Bug #8700:04 IAR command - Script located in object's inventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8700 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-20 05:04 <osmantis> Bug #8225:04 Upgrade of .NET MySql Connector to v 6.9.9 doesn't handle unix sockets in ConnectionString 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8225 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-20 05:12 <osmantis> Bug #8713:04 building issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8713 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-20 05:23 <osmantis> Bug #8714:04 Free to copy objects with content inside can't get copied by HG visitors and grid residents 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8714 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-20 05:49 <osmantis> Bug #8604:04 bug report assets avatar and inworld items mesh fail to rig inworld render slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8604 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-20 16:58 <osmantis> Bug #8604:04 bug report assets avatar and inworld items mesh fail to rig inworld render slow 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8604 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-20 17:04 <osmantis> Bug #8714:04 Free to copy objects with content inside can't get copied by HG visitors and grid residents 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8714 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-20 20:45 <osmantis> Bug #8714:04 Free to copy objects with content inside can't get copied by HG visitors and grid residents 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8714 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-21 16:34 <Ubit> hmm should new daycyle be a bare one like i did, or a clone of the default ( with 8 sky frames) as sl =
2020-07-21 16:34 <Ubit> ?
2020-07-21 16:36 <BillBlight> I'd say a clone
2020-07-21 16:36 <Ubit> all those 8 when you will be making a new one?
2020-07-21 16:37 <BillBlight> but deleting those are easy enough
2020-07-21 16:38 <BillBlight> just gives you something incase you apply a default and don't finish working on it
2020-07-21 16:38 <Ubit> the default is there as a asset and on library
2020-07-21 16:39 <Ubit> you can also clone it and start from it
2020-07-21 16:39 <Ubit> true default is the 31 version 
2020-07-21 16:40 <Ubit> not sure, id prefer the bare one
2020-07-21 16:41 <Ubit> well its like that, because i didn't had the 8 blablabla thing when i made the code :p
2020-07-21 16:43 <Tampa> Might have been better to leave it on the branch rather than merging to master so early
2020-07-21 16:43 <Ubit> no one asked you that :p
2020-07-21 16:43 <Ubit> (hihihi)
2020-07-21 16:44 <Tampa> It wasn't an answer, just a statement of opinion
2020-07-21 16:44 <Ubit> ok np, properly ignored 
2020-07-21 16:44 <Ubit> 
ACTION runs and hides

2020-07-21 16:44 <Tampa> As usual
2020-07-21 18:01 <Ubit> meow, meow Meow!
2020-07-21 19:39 <Ai_Austin> One for Ubit if he is online?
2020-07-21 19:39 <Ubit> no
2020-07-21 19:40 <Ubit> ;)
2020-07-21 19:40 <Ai_Austin> :-)
2020-07-21 19:40 <Ubit> whats up?
2020-07-21 19:40 <Ai_Austin> Just updated to latest dev master Ubit. I see the 4 fixed sky assets are emant to be in the OpenSim Library.
2020-07-21 19:40 <Ubit> and?
2020-07-21 19:40 <Ai_Austin> But I cannot see them, even after clearing the inventory cache
2020-07-21 19:41 <Ubit> moved to local settings folder?
2020-07-21 19:41 <Ai_Austin> Under settings, I see the two day cycles under that folder, but the sky and water folders are empty
2020-07-21 19:41 <Ubit> odd i do see them
2020-07-21 19:41 <Ubit> sure you did update robust, right?
2020-07-21 19:42 <Ubit> ( will not work at osgrid )
2020-07-21 19:42 <Ai_Austin> I am on Ailand grid
2020-07-21 19:42 <Ai_Austin> and yes, robust and two region servers all updated
2020-07-21 19:42 <Ubit> and also did clear viewer cache, blabla
2020-07-21 19:42 <Ai_Austin> Let me look at the .xml to check nothing glitched
2020-07-21 19:43 <Ubit> what xml?
2020-07-21 19:43 <Ai_Austin> I did indeed clear INVENTORY cache, but not viewer cache. is that needed?
2020-07-21 19:43 <Ubit> ahh the inv def xml
2020-07-21 19:43 <Ai_Austin> thats the one I was hgoing to check
2020-07-21 19:43 <Ubit> i always clear it all
2020-07-21 19:43 <Ai_Austin> hang on I will clear cache
2020-07-21 19:44 <Ai_Austin> I thought inventory cache clear would be all that was needed for this.. lets see
2020-07-21 19:44 <Ubit> ( most time im not login so viewer only gives clear all option
2020-07-21 19:44 <Ubit> yeah it should
2020-07-21 19:45 <Ubit> the assets are just the same..
2020-07-21 19:46 <Ai_Austin> okay, they are there now.  neded viewer cache clearing. just clearig inventory cache defintely did not work Ubit. worth noting
2020-07-21 19:46 <Ubit> gezz
2020-07-21 19:46 <Ubit> viewers.. :)
2020-07-21 19:46 <Ai_Austin> thanks for adding new rainbow too.  did you like how it looked?
2020-07-21 19:46 <Ubit> yeap that gradient was needed
2020-07-21 19:47 <Ai_Austin> Beq gave us a new 6.4.5 OS today did you see? Now a Beta that may be RC now
2020-07-21 19:47 <Ubit> im using it
2020-07-21 19:47 <Ai_Austin> Some poeple report crashes with rezzing any animesh in FS. I tried animesh and it worked fine.
2020-07-21 19:48 <Ai_Austin> Anyway, thanks - sorry to disturb you again
2020-07-21 19:48 <Ubit> mb that was the mesh edit crash?
2020-07-21 19:48 <Ubit> guess it was..
2020-07-21 19:48 <Ai_Austin> Is it worth starting to think abiout making a 0.9.2.0 release about now?  I will be pleased to see the back of the 0.9.1.1.1.0000 variants with all those 1s and 0s :-)
2020-07-21 19:49 <Ubit> yeah.. some pressure on that now
2020-07-21 19:49 <Ubit> specially since fs ( and others ) will not work well on older versions
2020-07-21 19:49 <Ai_Austin> FS will probably be reday within a week or two as they usually have a short period once it gets to Beta
2020-07-21 19:50 <Ubit> just i have several open ends in code :(
2020-07-21 19:50 <Ubit> and almost no testing
2020-07-21 19:50 <Ai_Austin> FS is fine on older versions really unless you need to edit estate settiongs on old stuff.. or change windlights now.  people can always drop back to an old viewer for those things
2020-07-21 19:50 <Ubit> osgrid did not release it still
2020-07-21 19:50 <Ai_Austin> I know.. a lot has changed and OSGrid core code is still on 22-05-2020!
2020-07-21 19:50 <Ubit> yeah guess with the assets other things work
2020-07-21 19:51 <Ai_Austin> I have been using updated versions over OSGrid code all along though...e.g. the RuthAndRoth regions
2020-07-21 19:51 <Ubit> but yeah release of epp viewers is pressure to release 0.9.2
2020-07-21 19:51 <Ai_Austin> and they are performing fine. including with rainbows ;-)
2020-07-21 19:51 <Ubit> Ada was at the meeting
2020-07-21 19:52 <Ai_Austin> We need to somehow get those old 0.8.2.1 people (code is now nearly 5 years old!) to upgrade
2020-07-21 19:52 <Ai_Austin> Ah yes, she is doing a great job. Rith2 v2 released and Ruth2 v4 testing well already
2020-07-21 19:52 <Ubit> the only thing that does not work at osg is opensim lib
2020-07-21 19:52 <Ubit> because that is robust side
2020-07-21 19:52 <Ai_Austin> ok, yes
2020-07-21 19:53 <Ubit> invetory does work, bc robust does not look to contents
2020-07-21 19:53 <Ai_Austin> anyway, I think new code on an OSGrid region, like your own etsting of outreach variants works fine
2020-07-21 19:53 <Ubit> and my own test region :)
2020-07-21 19:53 <Ubit> hmm need ask dan to replace the rainbow again
2020-07-21 19:54 <Ubit> grid assets still has the old one
2020-07-21 19:54 <Ubit> its a manual thing there
2020-07-21 19:54 <Ubit> well i just use the box trick.. but dan needs to delete the old assets
2020-07-21 19:55 <Ubit> im still not conviced about the new daycycle 
2020-07-21 19:55 <Ubit> i like it clean with just one sky :)
2020-07-21 19:56 <Ubit> easy to mk it == daycycle31
2020-07-21 19:56 <Ubit> but that will be a option...
2020-07-21 19:56 <Ubit> or can be a option
2020-07-21 19:56 <Ai_Austin> NP.. just so we are aware of the difference, people can copy Daycycle(3/1) or dayCycle from library is they want something fancier
2020-07-21 19:56 <Ubit> ( it is a asset uuid on region )
2020-07-21 19:56 <Ubit> yeap
2020-07-21 19:57 <Ubit> well need to add several more assets
2020-07-21 19:57 <Ubit> but not the damm 200 or so
2020-07-21 19:57 <Ubit> mb the skies that are part of the default
2020-07-21 19:57 <Ai_Austin> New Sky and New datyclye work fine now with lighter grey ambient. looks much better on ultra settings hnyway
2020-07-21 19:57 <Ubit> atmos XXam/pm
2020-07-21 19:57 <Ai_Austin> Those windlights in FS are useless
2020-07-21 19:58 <Ai_Austin> Most don't work.  But a nice exmaple fog is good.
2020-07-21 19:58 <Ubit> i used old cool VL default settings
2020-07-21 19:58 <Ubit> well EEP viewers xml import is just broken
2020-07-21 19:58 <Ubit> you can do a mess thing
2020-07-21 19:58 <Ubit> use a wl viewer and set it on region.. region code will convert
2020-07-21 19:59 <Ai_Austin> yep... one moon scene we had in WL looks awful with everything very shiny
2020-07-21 19:59 <Ubit> then save it with the eep viewer :p
2020-07-21 19:59 <Ai_Austin> interesting, may try
2020-07-21 19:59 <Ubit> worse it just does error
2020-07-21 19:59 <Ubit> at least the previus private beta
2020-07-21 20:00 <Ubit> it fails to read the own files shipped with it :)
2020-07-21 20:00 <Ai_Austin> Try LL SL viewer and see if it is same - may need a LL JIRA? Must dash. Thanks Ubit. Bye
2020-07-21 20:00 <Ubit> cya
2020-07-21 20:00 <Ubit> does not know the 20s rule at irc also :P
2020-07-21 20:01 <Ubit> but guess all that is ll code...
2020-07-22 13:53 <Tampa> Where is the line for changing the console timestamps again?
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2020-07-23 03:42 <Bill_Blight> 26gig iar is a little excessive ... But I guess that goes with the slmost 100k prims on the region ...
2020-07-23 18:06 <Ubit> oops
2020-07-23 18:09 <Ubit> oh where is jenkins?
2020-07-23 18:13 <BillBlight> It's hiding from you
2020-07-23 18:13 <Ubit> i found him :)
2020-07-23 18:13 <BillBlight> lol
2020-07-23 18:32 <Tampa> That last build worked though
2020-07-23 18:34 <Ubit> yeah i did comp it on linux also
2020-07-23 18:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #7047 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7044 1 hr 4 min ago)
2020-07-23 18:43 <BillBlight> Ubrokeit
2020-07-23 18:43 <Ubit> did compile..
2020-07-23 18:43 <Ubit> i think
2020-07-23 18:44 <Ubit> err that is a start not end
2020-07-23 18:44 <Ubit> we need to wait a few hours
2020-07-23 18:44 <BillBlight> lol
2020-07-23 18:45 <Ubit> no idea what was that fail
2020-07-23 18:45 <Ubit> lets see
2020-07-23 18:50 <Ubit> gezz it will br hours really ?
2020-07-23 18:50 <Ubit> doing the tests
2020-07-23 19:25 <Ubit> gezz
2020-07-23 19:26 <Ubit> the thing is stuck
2020-07-23 22:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #7049 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-07-23 22:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7049: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7049/
2020-07-23 22:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove a forgotten gc collect on flotsam cache
2020-07-23 23:21 <neil2ball> I was struggling to get groups working on my standalone.  I managed to look in OpenSim/Data/MySQL/Resources/os_groups_Store.migrations and find that the CREATE TABLE for os_groups_groups had its engine set as MyISAM.  It was causing the error found here http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8721 .  I changed it to InnoDB and that seems to work.  Is there any reason why it should be MyISAM?
2020-07-23 23:22 <neil2ball> I made a patch if you want it.
2020-07-23 23:22 <BillBlight> @neil2ball  most likely your db/table is utf8mb4 knowin issue with groups table
2020-07-23 23:23 <BillBlight> if you set to mb3 it is fine
2020-07-23 23:23 <BillBlight> as it says in that mantis
2020-07-23 23:23 <neil2ball> I only saw the mantis after I changed the engine.
2020-07-23 23:23 <BillBlight> ok
2020-07-23 23:24 <BillBlight> if using MariaDB it defaults to MB4 on many distros
2020-07-23 23:24 <neil2ball> Is there any other reason to change it?
2020-07-23 23:25 <BillBlight> will have index issues with the groups if use MB4
2020-07-23 23:25 <neil2ball> Should the code have a patch to set this or is it necessary to do it by hand for now?
2020-07-23 23:37 <BillBlight> You can attach your patch to that mantis if you like, not sure if it would cause issues for others that are using a diff DB server
2020-07-23 23:47 <osmantis> Bug #8721:04 Using either opensim 0.9.1.1 stable or stable source and compiling V2 groups tables are not created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8721 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2020-07-23 23:47 <neil2ball> I'm not sure if I did that right.
2020-07-23 23:49 <BillBlight> that will work, but you can attach the patch file right to the mantis, would be better
2020-07-23 23:53 <neil2ball> I didn't see where to do that, so I just pasted it instead.  If I figure it out next time, I'll try to do that.
2020-07-23 23:54 <BillBlight> there is an "Upload Files" section right under the main section 
2020-07-23 23:55 <BillBlight> well technically it is under the "Relationships" box
2020-07-23 23:56 <neil2ball> How is that?
2020-07-23 23:57 <BillBlight> perfect ...
2020-07-23 23:57 <neil2ball> Right on.  Thanks for your help!
2020-07-23 23:58 <BillBlight> I'm not sure if changing the engine will cause other issues .. MB4 is a waste of resources ... Uses more mem than it needs and opensim does not take advantage of any of the other things about it
2020-07-23 23:58 <BillBlight> I'm sure if it breaks something Ubit will be the first to tell us
2020-07-23 23:59 <neil2ball> lol
2020-07-23 23:59 <BillBlight> 
ACTION slaps Ubit with the patch

2020-07-24 06:27 <osmantis> Bug #8726:04 Util STP threadfunc 5 terminated with error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8726 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-24 10:20 <osmantis> Bug #8721:04 Using either opensim 0.9.1.1 stable or stable source and compiling V2 groups tables are not created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8721 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-24 12:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #7050 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-24 12:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7050: SUCCESS in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7050/
2020-07-24 12:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid some null refs
2020-07-24 13:36 <Tampa> Odd sometime during the last couple changes or perhaps due to newer mono the build log has halved in size
2020-07-24 13:36 <Tampa> was 1mb 
2020-07-24 13:41 <Tampa> Looks like all the Targets are not longer echoed just info when it finishes building them
2020-07-24 16:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #7051 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-24 16:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7051: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7051/
2020-07-24 16:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics on http server
2020-07-24 18:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #7052 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-24 18:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7052: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7052/
2020-07-24 18:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reduce default http keepalive to just 30s because to viewers connections flood.
2020-07-24 18:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #7053 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-24 18:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7053: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7053/
2020-07-24 18:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove async await no longer used
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2020-07-25 18:10 <osmantis> Bug #8552:04 Top Scripts in the Regions Tool not work (not show us all scripts) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8552 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-07-25 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #8552:04 Top Scripts in the Regions Tool not work (not show us all scripts) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8552 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-07-25 23:07 <osmantis> Bug #8552:04 Top Scripts in the Regions Tool not work (not show us all scripts) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8552 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2020-07-26 18:47 <osmantis> Bug #8734:04 Due to changes to the http server in master code, Gloebit had quit working correctly. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8734 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-07-26 19:34 <osmantis> Bug #7732:04 on startup, default avatar assets can't be loaded...  (skin,shape,cloth) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7732 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-07-26 21:17 <Tampa> @BillBlight is that to fix the ctd on land buy or some general issue with the request?
2020-07-26 21:32 <BillBlight> @Tampa it is not always CTD but yes ...
2020-07-26 22:05 <Tampa> There are a bunch of those regarding Gloebit with latest Firestorm I thought they merged some of the code colosi gave them to gracefully handle money modules, they must have broken that
2020-07-26 22:05 <Tampa> Insufficient funds cause a ctd as well for example
2020-07-26 22:05 <BillBlight> beta does not CTD
2020-07-26 22:07 <Tampa> Tried with a user that does not have a Gloebit account
2020-07-26 22:10 <BillBlight> just tested that, beta did not ctd
2020-07-26 22:14 <Tampa> That's good then, means next release might work better
2020-07-26 23:19 <BillBlight> @tampa what are you talkign about on that mantis, Gloebit has a compiled DLL for each major verision of OpenSim, including .92 master
2020-07-26 23:20 <BillBlight> not mantis, github issue
2020-07-26 23:21 <BillBlight> Since Gloebit already provides a compile for the varying major versions, and "Prior versions" should never need to be compiled again except for bugfix, moving prior versions to a branch would be a good approach ..
2020-07-27 15:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #7054 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-27 15:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7054: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7054/
2020-07-27 15:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Xengine: remove option CompactMemOnLoad, that wasn't that good; add option AttachmentsDomainLoading to allow attachments to load on own appdomain even if AppDomainLoading is false. Scripts will be slower, use more memory but will be disposed on avatar leave, if gc is in good mood. This may be usefull on regions with a lot of traffic, sure use Yengine even better,
2020-07-27 15:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #7055 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-27 15:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7055: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7055/
2020-07-27 15:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix the option name on the ini file
2020-07-27 16:13 <osmantis> Bug #8552:04 Top Scripts in the Regions Tool not work (not show us all scripts) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8552 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-07-27 16:18 <osmantis> Bug #8735:04 when I shutdown the region I rarely see this error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8735 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-07-27 17:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #7056 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-27 17:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7056: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7056/
2020-07-27 17:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make clear that MaxRegionsViewDistance can be set to zero, disabling nearby regions visibility and crossings
2020-07-27 17:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #7057 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-27 17:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7057: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7057/
2020-07-27 17:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: duuhhhh what was in my coffe ?
2020-07-27 18:46 <BillBlight> Maybe you should quit pouring whiskey in your coffee
2020-07-27 19:11 <Ubit> ahh it was YOU
2020-07-27 19:11 <Ubit> i knew it..
2020-07-28 01:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #7058 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-28 02:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7058: SUCCESS in 4 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7058/
2020-07-28 02:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: flotsam add a cooldown on files expire/deletes also
2020-07-28 03:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #7059 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-28 03:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7059: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7059/
2020-07-28 03:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: flotsam: slow it a lot more, make some debug log visible
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2020-07-28 20:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #7060 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-28 20:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7060: SUCCESS in 4 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7060/
2020-07-28 20:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: flotsam: slower...
2020-07-29 23:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #7061 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-29 23:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7061: SUCCESS in 5 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7061/
2020-07-29 23:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: flotsam: deeper changes on files expire
2020-07-30 00:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #7062 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-30 00:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7062: SUCCESS in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7062/
2020-07-30 00:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: flotsam: more changes
2020-07-30 00:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #7063 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-30 00:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7063: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7063/
2020-07-30 00:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: flotsam: change the changes
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2020-07-30 15:27 <Ubit> "  Eric Lippert, of the C# team recently posted on "Arrays considered somewhat harmful", in which he describes that for most cases, arrays should not be used in one form or another"
2020-07-30 15:28 <Ubit> gessss
2020-07-30 15:28 <Ubit> what crap language has harmful arrays?
2020-07-30 15:28 <Ubit> guess c# devs are like me..  code is perfect if nothing is used :p
2020-07-30 15:29 <AliciaRaven> lists maybe, but arrays should be the best option!
2020-07-30 15:30 <Ubit> lists where array based
2020-07-30 15:30 <AliciaRaven> yea
2020-07-30 15:30 <AliciaRaven> just with more overheads, like space to grow etc
2020-07-30 15:30 <Ubit> no
2020-07-30 15:31 <Ubit> on grow, it makes a new array with double size, and copies all to it
2020-07-30 15:31 <AliciaRaven> yea thats what i mean
2020-07-30 15:31 <Ubit> insane
2020-07-30 15:32 <AliciaRaven> i been lazy and used lists alot, recently been changing them out for arrays
2020-07-30 15:32 <Ubit> try to give them right intial size
2020-07-30 15:32 <Ubit> then they should ok
2020-07-30 15:33 <AliciaRaven> yep, thats important
2020-07-30 20:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #7064 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-30 20:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7064: SUCCESS in 5 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7064/
2020-07-30 20:20 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: dont break asset cache folders spread more than needed
2020-07-30 20:20 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: flotsam: still bad
2020-07-30 20:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #7065 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-07-30 20:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7065: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7065/
2020-07-30 20:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: flotsam: minor log message change
2020-07-31 17:06 <osmantis> Bug #8736:04 idk 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8736 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-07-31 20:07 <osmantis> Bug #8736:04 permission and dupe bug on buy/nobuy objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8736 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-08-01 13:23 <osmantis> Bug #8736:04 permission and dupe bug on buy/nobuy objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8736 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-01 14:13 <osmantis> Bug #8736:04 permission and dupe bug on buy/nobuy objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8736 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-01 15:17 <osmantis> Bug #8630:04 Memory Leak on YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8630 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-08-01 15:24 <osmantis> Bug #8314:04 Map tile generation from robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8314 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-01 15:29 <osmantis> Bug #8657:04 New default script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8657 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-01 15:38 <osmantis> Bug #8736:04 permission and dupe bug on buy/nobuy objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8736 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-01 15:45 <osmantis> Bug #8657:04 New default script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8657 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-08-01 15:46 <osmantis> Bug #8736:04 permission and dupe bug on buy/nobuy objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8736 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-01 17:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #7066 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-01 17:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7066: SUCCESS in 5 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7066/
2020-08-01 17:31 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: don't sell objects not for sale
2020-08-01 17:31 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: don't sell objects not for sale
2020-08-01 23:04 <osmantis> Bug #8734:04 Due to changes to the http server in master code, Gloebit had quit working correctly. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8734 ): has been ACKNOWLEDGED.
2020-08-01 23:10 <Ubit> well they should ack it, not us
2020-08-02 00:11 <Bill_Blight> Well they did ack it on github . ... Oh well
2020-08-02 01:00 <Ubit> they did ? cool
2020-08-02 01:01 <Ubit> they guy sa‎id nothing to me
2020-08-02 01:40 <Bill_Blight> he emailed me since I submitted it
2020-08-02 01:43 <Ubit> pfff
2020-08-02 01:44 <Ubit> and ignored me
2020-08-02 01:44 <Ubit> lol
2020-08-02 01:44 <Ubit> so they will fix?
2020-08-02 01:45 <Ubit> well fix is done.. apply :)
2020-08-02 02:07 <Tampa> He bombarded me with mails, now, nothing
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2020-08-03 04:11 <osmantis> Bug #8735:04 when I shutdown the region I rarely see this error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8735 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-08-03 12:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #7067 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-03 12:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7067: SUCCESS in 6 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7067/
2020-08-03 12:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change show circuits display
2020-08-03 12:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #7068 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-03 13:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7068: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7068/
2020-08-03 13:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove automatic code version detection from old svn repos
2020-08-03 14:10 <Ai_Austin> Hi - if Ubit is tghere.. a simple minor one... 2 new warnings in Windows build - probably due to the last change for string version detection...
2020-08-03 14:11 <Ai_Austin> ServerBase.cs(771,20): warning CS0168: The variable 'inputLine' is declared b
2020-08-03 14:11 <Ai_Austin> [D:\Temp\opensim-0.9.2.0Dev-578-g71e293c\OpenSim\Framework\Servers\O
2020-08-03 14:11 <Ubit> seen it
2020-08-03 14:11 <Ubit> ty
2020-08-03 14:11 <Ai_Austin> Good. I know sometime we get different warnings in Linux versus Windows
2020-08-03 14:11 <Ubit> didnt push still
2020-08-03 14:12 <Ai_Austin> NP. hope all is well. EEP testing looking okay and I THINK we don't get the same drop in fps in OpenSim that we see in SL. But I plan more careful testing at some stage.
2020-08-03 14:12 <Ai_Austin> When VR Mod is added the drop off seems biggerthan 50% though. To be investigated
2020-08-03 14:13 <Ai_Austin> We have a FS Mod of 6.4.5 latest though and it does work without any change to the VR Mod code addin
2020-08-03 14:13 <Ai_Austin> One user in that community now also has enhancements to have VR buttons i UI and is working on integrating use of 3D VR controllers.
2020-08-03 14:14 <Ai_Austin> He has an automated build setup using "GitHub Actions" too. all nice
2020-08-03 14:15 <Ai_Austin> I am moving my grid (Openvue and AiLand) servers onto a new wire at the University... so testing a bit on that - hence the update check on 0.9.2.0 dev master
2020-08-03 14:15 <Ubit> :)
2020-08-03 14:15 <Ai_Austin> I had my own subnet - but we need the wire and IP slots back for other uses now I have les machines to look after - I retired on Friday :-)
2020-08-03 14:16 <Ai_Austin> But still have an office at the Uni as I am an honorary staff member from now on.
2020-08-03 15:57 <Ubit> https://wiki.firestormviewer.org/fs_eep_beta_downloads
2020-08-03 15:58 <Ubit> recent beta
2020-08-03 16:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #7069 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-03 17:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7069: SUCCESS in 6 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7069/
2020-08-03 17:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove forgotten unused variables
2020-08-04 18:00 <BillBlight> someone tell plugh's cat that it is meeting time
2020-08-04 18:01 <Ubit> meow meow meow!!
2020-08-04 20:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #7070 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-04 20:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7070: SUCCESS in 5 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7070/
2020-08-04 20:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor change on create selected
2020-08-04 20:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #7071 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-04 20:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7071: SUCCESS in 4 min 40 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7071/
2020-08-04 20:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: create selected: avoid a first extra (wrong) packet on create
2020-08-05 01:29 <osmantis> Bug #8737:04 There are three General questions in this. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8737 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-08-05 01:33 <osmantis> Bug #8737:04 There are three General questions in this. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8737 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-05 01:33 <BillBlight> Ok, I'm just going to say it, WHAT A FUCKING MORON
2020-08-05 01:34 <osmantis> Bug #8737:04 There are three General questions in this. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8737 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-05 01:34 <osmantis> Bug #8737:04 There are three General questions in this. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8737 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-05 05:31 <osmantis> Bug #8737:04 There are three General questions in this. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8737 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-05 05:37 <Aramis^> 1. What's your name? 2. What's your quest? 3. What's the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
2020-08-05 16:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #7072 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-05 16:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7072: SUCCESS in 5 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7072/
2020-08-05 16:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics on newclient, etc
2020-08-05 17:11 <steevithak> how long does it usually take for an opensim wiki account to be approved?
2020-08-05 17:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #7073 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-05 17:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7073: SUCCESS in 4 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7073/
2020-08-05 17:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics on newclient, etc
2020-08-05 17:53 <Tampa> steevithak just message djphil if you wanna do edits
2020-08-05 17:53 <Tampa> Our resident wiki bouncer lol
2020-08-05 17:58 <Plugh> steevithak: Depends on when someone gets around to looking at the pending accounts in the wiki. 
2020-08-05 18:09 <djphil> 
ACTION Thanks for the promotion ^^

2020-08-05 18:50 <steevithak> Thanks!
2020-08-06 06:56 <osmantis> Bug #8737:04 There are three General questions in this. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8737 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-08-06 07:06 <osmantis> Bug #8737:04 There are three General questions in this. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8737 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2020-08-06 08:09 <osmantis> Bug #8737:04 There are three General questions in this. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8737 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-06 12:36 <osmantis> Bug #8737:04 There are three General questions in this. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8737 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-06 13:13 <osmantis> Bug #8734:04 Due to changes to the http server in master code, Gloebit had quit working correctly. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8734 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-06 19:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #7074 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-06 19:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7074: SUCCESS in 5 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7074/
2020-08-06 19:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: don't let backup kill script targets
2020-08-07 00:04 <Tampa> Has anyone had their prims reset after editing them lately?
2020-08-07 00:05 <Tampa> On some older builds I changed to floor heights and a couple minutes later there were gabs in the walls because they did not stay the new height
2020-08-07 00:05 <Tampa> It's really weird, only happens with a few prims and sometimes doing it again fixes it or it constantly resets until the region is rebooted
2020-08-07 00:06 <Tampa> Been seeing that for a while now, but seems to only happen on old prims, no packet loss I can see, no resent packets either, no overloading, nothing to indicate it fails to commit changes
2020-08-07 00:07 <Tampa> Checked the database to see if the new data was there, but couldn't quite determine that
2020-08-07 00:12 <Tampa> I tried to run backup after each edit, didn't seem to help. I am starting to think it maybe a viewer bug
2020-08-07 00:12 <Tampa> As if it does not transmit the data and eventually requests prim properties again only to find it unchanged
2020-08-07 00:13 <Tampa> Just cannot figure out why it would not send
2020-08-07 00:14 <Tampa> There was an issue a while back regarding size setting via scripts that was fixed, I wonder if that may have been related in some ways
2020-08-07 01:19 <osmantis> Bug #8737:04 There are three General questions in this. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8737 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-07 02:05 <osmantis> Bug #8737:04 There are three General questions in this. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8737 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-07 02:05 <Tampa> That whole ticket is crazy
2020-08-07 02:10 <osmantis> Bug #8737:04 There are three General questions in this. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8737 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-07 17:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #7075 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-07 17:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7075: SUCCESS in 6 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7075/
2020-08-07 17:33 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: make sceneobjectpart inherit EntityBase
2020-08-07 17:33 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: cosmetics
2020-08-07 17:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #7076 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-07 17:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7076: FAILURE in 4 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7076/
2020-08-07 17:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: there is no prim Omega, we call it angular velocity
2020-08-07 18:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #7077 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7075 54 min ago)
2020-08-07 18:25 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-08-07 18:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7077: FIXED in 5 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7077/
2020-08-07 18:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix sqlite
2020-08-07 20:46 <steevithak> Newbie question - when running opensim as a daemon instead of from the cli, is there still a way to access the opensim console so I can type commands?
2020-08-07 21:25 <Tampa> On linux use screen
2020-08-07 21:26 <Tampa> On windows, don't use windows, use linux
2020-08-07 21:42 <steevithak> Tampa, thanks, I'll try that, never though of using screen with a daemon. Does that mean I'll need to start up mono with --desktop instead of --server in systemd?
2020-08-07 21:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #7078 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-08-07 21:45 <Tampa> Use --desktop don't use anything else
2020-08-07 21:47 <steevithak> ok, cool
2020-08-07 21:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7078: SUCCESS in 6 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7078/
2020-08-07 21:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: cosmetics ( i hope)
2020-08-07 21:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: unused var
2020-08-07 23:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #7079 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-07 23:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7079: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7079/
2020-08-07 23:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: stop calling events to things that are not events (just a little few)
2020-08-07 23:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #7080 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-07 23:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7080: SUCCESS in 4 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7080/
2020-08-07 23:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
2020-08-08 05:27 <osmantis> Bug #8738:04 Add companion osSetParcelMusicURL to osSetParcelMediaURL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8738 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-08-08 05:27 <osmantis> Bug #8738:04 Add companion osSetParcelMusicURL to osSetParcelMediaURL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8738 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2020-08-08 05:47 <osmantis> Bug #8738:04 Add companion osSetParcelMusicURL to osSetParcelMediaURL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8738 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-08 05:51 <Tampa> If you'd asked me if that function was there I would have said with 70% yes
2020-08-08 06:40 <BillBlight> my patch worked just fine, but whatever
2020-08-08 06:41 <BillBlight> but thanks for adding the default
2020-08-08 06:41 <BillBlight> I thought I saw other changes, but brain fog, sleep needed, 
2020-08-08 06:44 <osmantis> Bug #8739:04 Add osEmail and osGetNextEmail, also allow disabling of llEmail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8739 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-08-08 06:44 <osmantis> Bug #8739:04 Add osEmail and osGetNextEmail, also allow disabling of llEmail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8739 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2020-08-08 06:44 <osmantis> Bug #8739:04 Add osEmail and osGetNextEmail, also allow disabling of llEmail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8739 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2020-08-08 06:45 <osmantis> Bug #8739:04 Add osEmail and osGetNextEmail, also allow disabling of llEmail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8739 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2020-08-08 06:54 <osmantis> Bug #8738:04 Add companion osSetParcelMusicURL to osSetParcelMediaURL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8738 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-08 12:01 <osmantis> Bug #8739:04 Add osEmail and osGetNextEmail, also allow disabling of llEmail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8739 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-08 12:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #7081 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-08 13:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7081: SUCCESS in 5 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7081/
2020-08-08 13:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: on parcel set music or media url, at least check it can be parsed as a url
2020-08-08 13:09 <osmantis> Bug #8738:04 Add companion osSetParcelMusicURL to osSetParcelMediaURL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8738 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-08 14:06 <osmantis> Bug #8740:04 Added support for llTargetedEmail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8740 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-08-08 14:12 <osmantis> Bug #8740:04 Added support for llTargetedEmail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8740 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2020-08-08 14:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #7082 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-08 14:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7082: SUCCESS in 6 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7082/
2020-08-08 14:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: try parse url also on llParcelMediaCommandList
2020-08-08 16:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #7083 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-08 16:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7083: SUCCESS in 5 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7083/
2020-08-08 16:44 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Added llTargetedEmail
2020-08-08 16:44 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: several changes to llTargetedEmail
2020-08-08 16:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #7084 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-08 16:47 <osmantis> Bug #8740:04 Added support for llTargetedEmail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8740 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-08 16:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7084: SUCCESS in 4 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7084/
2020-08-08 16:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: duhh check for non mod is basicly useless
2020-08-08 16:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #7085 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-08 16:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7085: SUCCESS in 4 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7085/
2020-08-08 16:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: better a silent return if condition to send creator fails
2020-08-08 17:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #7086 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-08 17:29 <osmantis> Bug #8738:04 Add companion osSetParcelMusicURL to osSetParcelMediaURL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8738 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-08 17:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7086: FAILURE in 1 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7086/
2020-08-08 17:30 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: osSetParcelMusicURL
2020-08-08 17:30 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: some cleanup to last patch from Bill Blight and Vincent (mantis 8738)
2020-08-08 17:30 <Ubit> ok what did i miss..
2020-08-08 17:31 <Ubit> duhh
2020-08-08 17:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #7087 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7085 43 min ago)
2020-08-08 17:37 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-08-08 17:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7087: FIXED in 4 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7087/
2020-08-08 17:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing c&p ...
2020-08-08 18:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #7088 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-08-08 18:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7088: SUCCESS in 4 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7088/
2020-08-08 18:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few more 'events'
2020-08-09 00:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #7089 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-09 00:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7089: SUCCESS in 6 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7089/
2020-08-09 00:56 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: some changes on Dispose
2020-08-09 00:56 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: cosmetics
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2020-08-09 03:18 <osmantis> Bug #8741:04 Group invite feedback "already in group" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8741 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-08-09 03:18 <osmantis> Bug #8741:04 Group invite feedback "already in group" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8741 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2020-08-09 05:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #7090 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-09 05:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7090: SUCCESS in 5 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7090/
2020-08-09 05:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: some changes to getassets module and handler
2020-08-09 14:48 <osmantis> Bug #8742:04 All sims crash on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8742 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-08-09 15:22 <osmantis> Bug #8742:04 All sims crash on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8742 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-09 15:49 <osmantis> Bug #8742:04 All sims crash on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8742 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-09 16:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #7091 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-09 17:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7091: SUCCESS in 6 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7091/
2020-08-09 17:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: go back to events with wrong signatures, at least while they still work
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2020-08-10 05:05 <osmantis> Bug #8725:04 Terrain Effect ChannelDigger needs higher strength value to smooth terrain 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8725 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-08-10 05:09 <osmantis> Bug #8707:04 MySql8 Compatibility issues mb3 not working as expected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8707 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2020-08-10 05:21 <osmantis> Bug #8439:04 Region maptiles - can previous tiles be removed from database as they are replaced by later versions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-10 08:09 <osmantis> Bug #8439:04 Region maptiles - can previous tiles be removed from database as they are replaced by later versions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-10 08:55 <osmantis> Bug #8439:04 Region maptiles - can previous tiles be removed from database as they are replaced by later versions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8439 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-10 08:56 <Tampa> What's worse it seems that deletion is entirely broken on sqlite cause I nuked my imported inventory and the db did not shrink
2020-08-10 08:57 <Tampa> ...on a standalone
2020-08-10 11:45 <fantasy> Hi all 
2020-08-10 11:46 <fantasy> I have a problem after download and compile latest version 
2020-08-10 11:47 <fantasy> Seams not work notthing i don't know why
2020-08-10 11:49 <fantasy> In console i see this 13:48:29 - [LLC13:48:29 - [LLCLIENTVIEW]: No EQ Interface when sending parcel data.LIENTVIEW]: No EQ Interface when sending parcel data.
2020-08-10 11:49 <fantasy> and this:
2020-08-10 11:49 <fantasy> 13:48:38 - [J2KDecoderModule]: CSJ2K threw an exception decoding texture 4e3ab65b-a9c0-4ab8-a806-93e261808bc2: File is neither valid JP2 file nor valid JPEG 2000 codestream
2020-08-10 11:51 <fantasy> not load friend gruup contact there is somehting not compatible with latest robust maybe? 
2020-08-10 11:52 <fantasy> 2 or 3 day before with latest update work all well what happend
2020-08-10 12:13 <fantasy> Anyone?
2020-08-10 12:50 <Ubit> did the compile on a clean folder?
2020-08-10 12:51 <fantasy> Hi Ubi i do clean and recompile all
2020-08-10 12:52 <Ubit> try on a new folder
2020-08-10 12:52 <Ubit> clean may not always work 
2020-08-10 12:53 <fantasy> Ok i try 
2020-08-10 12:53 <Ubit> and safer sequence on same folder is  clean the solution, pull, runprebuild, compile
2020-08-10 12:53 <Ubit> but even that may fail
2020-08-10 12:55 <fantasy> So if i understand well delete all bin and do recompile 
2020-08-10 12:55 <Ubit> i did not said that
2020-08-10 12:55 <Ubit> you will need the ini files to compare and set on the new version
2020-08-10 12:56 <Ubit> in most cases assetcache MAY be reused
2020-08-10 12:57 <Ubit> and old folder is a fallback if goes wrong.. 
2020-08-10 12:58 <Ubit> also backup the dbs, of course
2020-08-10 12:59 <fantasy> db it is no problem i use local istance mysql 
2020-08-10 13:00 <fantasy> so sugest to clean solution and rebuild or do compile in clean folder?
2020-08-10 13:10 <fantasy> @Ubit Ok understand now what you mean 1) Clean Solution 2) Pull request to update source code 3) Run Prebuild so update file reference in project 4) Compile ok i try 
2020-08-10 13:13 <fantasy> But do the same it is not problem of compile 
2020-08-10 13:17 <fantasy> I think there is something latest in change than update today
2020-08-10 13:22 <fantasy> I also tray to create new clean db but notthing change  not load friend list avi majbe not load asset in general
2020-08-10 13:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #7092 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-10 13:36 <fantasy> Ubit latest change fix
2020-08-10 13:36 <fantasy> now work
2020-08-10 13:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7092: SUCCESS in 6 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7092/
2020-08-10 13:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: changes on expiringkey, add expiringcacheOS, alternative to libomv on (no slide expire option)
2020-08-10 13:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #7093 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-10 13:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7093: FAILURE in 1 min 40 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7093/
2020-08-10 13:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: changes on HGInventoryBroker
2020-08-10 13:46 <Ubit> duhh
2020-08-10 13:48 <fantasy> duhh?? stay for
2020-08-10 13:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #7094 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7092 18 min ago)
2020-08-10 13:49 <Ubit> .. that :p
2020-08-10 13:51 <fantasy> ah ok :-)  i don't understand what happend but it is the same it is so biggest project 
2020-08-10 13:51 <osmantis> Bug #8743:04 Gaps in rendering of water surface between regions and even into voids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8743 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-08-10 13:54 <osmantis> Bug #8743:04 Gaps in rendering of water surface between regions and even into voids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-10 13:54 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-08-10 13:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7094: FIXED in 5 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7094/
2020-08-10 13:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file
2020-08-10 13:55 <osmantis> Bug #8743:04 Gaps in rendering of water surface between regions and even into voids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8743 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-08-10 13:56 <osmantis> Bug #8743:04 Gaps in rendering of water surface between regions and even into voids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-10 13:56 <osmantis> Bug #8743:04 Gaps in rendering of water surface between regions and even into voids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-10 14:12 <fantasy> Ubi can you update MySql.Data.dll to latest version. Or It is possible to enter in dev team to update source code ? 
2020-08-10 14:24 <BillBlight> that would break a whole lot of people's regions, as it is not directly backwards compatible with older versions of mysql
2020-08-10 14:25 <BillBlight> (and also has socket connection issues with the way opensim is setup, if I remember correctly)
2020-08-10 14:29 <fantasy> I must to update to support the latest or i must use mysql in compatibility mode this is just sugestion i suppose that a lot of people use latest but it is not for all i know this.  
2020-08-10 14:35 <fantasy> But sometime it is to chose to not maintain compadibility for all  it is depends  :-) 
2020-08-10 15:04 <BillBlight> It also breaks mariaDB which a lot of people use
2020-08-10 15:07 <BillBlight> and I'd say if a LOT of people were using the latest for opensim, there would be a lot more people complaining about it .. I've seen like 3 or 4 
2020-08-10 19:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #7095 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-08-10 19:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7095: SUCCESS in 5 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7095/
2020-08-10 19:57 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: use expiringkey on flotsam negativecache
2020-08-10 19:57 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: make expiringcacheOS a more direct replacement of the libomv
2020-08-10 19:57 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: a few changes on (HG)EntityTransfer plus a few use of ExpiringcacheOS
2020-08-10 20:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #7096 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-10 20:58 <Ubit> well that is more don't instanciat the class
2020-08-10 20:59 <Ubit> and don't waste time calling its init things
2020-08-10 21:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7096: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7096/
2020-08-10 21:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: dont load 2 EntityTransfer modules on HG
2020-08-10 22:19 <osmantis> Bug #8743:04 Gaps in rendering of water surface between regions and even into voids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-10 22:21 <osmantis> Bug #8743:04 Gaps in rendering of water surface between regions and even into voids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-10 22:26 <Tampa> Is water height a double or a float?
2020-08-10 22:29 <Ubit> there are no doubles anywhere but scripts
2020-08-10 22:30 <Ubit> possible some waste here and there
2020-08-10 22:30 <Ubit> like on dbs
2020-08-10 22:30 <Ubit> core devs used to think double is a thing on
2020-08-10 22:30 <Ubit> this
2020-08-10 22:31 <Ubit> ( good reasons on same cases, of course)
2020-08-10 22:31 <Tampa> Well I am just asking cause I could see different types causing issues if not interpreted properly by the viewer, but I suspect there is something else going on
2020-08-10 22:31 <Tampa> I don't see this on larger regions unless I am completely blind the 4x4s I have all look aligned proper
2020-08-10 22:32 <Ubit> i tried to look similar corners at osg even his grid, and all ok
2020-08-10 22:32 <Ubit> but he may have 20.0000001 on one shure
2020-08-10 22:32 <Ubit> and sure
2020-08-10 22:32 <Ubit> but nahh dif must be visible
2020-08-10 22:33 <Tampa> That's a good 10cm or more
2020-08-10 22:33 <Tampa> Either there is bad conversion between viewer and region or the angles are loosely computed for small regions and for vars they are exact
2020-08-10 22:33 <Tampa> Cause if it is only on one corner it has to be angles rather than height
2020-08-10 22:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #7097 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-10 22:55 <Ubit> no angles on that
2020-08-10 22:55 <Ubit> water is a simple plane
2020-08-10 23:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7097: SUCCESS in 5 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7097/
2020-08-10 23:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change WorldMap module cache, also don't load 2 on HG
2020-08-10 23:21 <Tampa> Nothings ever simple, it could be that while the angle of the plane is 90.0000 in reality conversion or casting causes it to shift who knows, no idea what the render code is on that
2020-08-10 23:22 <Tampa> But I would not be surprised if there was some old code in there and the var support was done more precise
2020-08-11 07:35 <fantasy> hi all
2020-08-11 07:49 <osmantis> Bug #8743:04 Gaps in rendering of water surface between regions and even into voids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-11 14:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #7098 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-11 14:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7098: SUCCESS in 5 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7098/
2020-08-11 14:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: more (almost) useless changes on the used expiring thing
2020-08-11 18:02 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid.
2020-08-11 18:06 <Ubit> nice cat.. looked to the clock and calendar
2020-08-12 09:24 <fantasy> hi all
2020-08-13 00:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #7099 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-13 00:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7099: SUCCESS in 6 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7099/
2020-08-13 00:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change UserAccountCache
2020-08-13 02:56 <osmantis> Bug #8694:04 mantis request for robust server console patch 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8694 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-13 05:39 <osmantis> Bug #8694:04 mantis request for robust server console patch 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8694 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-13 05:54 <osmantis> Bug #8743:04 Gaps in rendering of water surface between regions and even into voids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-13 07:32 <osmantis> Bug #8743:04 Gaps in rendering of water surface between regions and even into voids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8743 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-08-13 07:34 <osmantis> Bug #8743:04 Gaps in rendering of water surface between regions and even into voids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-13 09:08 <osmantis> Bug #8743:04 Gaps in rendering of water surface between regions and even into voids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8743 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-14 00:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #7100 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-14 00:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7100: SUCCESS in 6 min 36 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7100/
2020-08-14 00:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: go back using File.Exists on flotsam
2020-08-14 01:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #7101 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-14 01:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7101: SUCCESS in 7 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7101/
2020-08-14 01:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change tp callback condition
2020-08-14 01:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #7102 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-14 01:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7102: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7102/
2020-08-14 01:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: simplify RegionInfoCache
2020-08-14 20:09 <steevithak> I'm trying to compile opensim on CentOS 8.2. Opensim docs say to run msbuild but it isn't included with mono 6.8 packages. Found a doc suggesting dotnet-sdk-3.1 package to get msbuild but I still get "msbuild: command not found". Any advice?
2020-08-14 20:12 <Plugh> msbuild is a separate package.
2020-08-14 20:17 <steevithak> Hmmm... tried "dnf list msbuild" and "dnf whatprovides */msbuild" but nothing
2020-08-14 20:18 <Ubit> install mono-complete
2020-08-14 20:19 <steevithak> Did dnf install mono-complete dotnet-sdk-3.1. But neither appears to include msbuild. Mono came with xbuild which appears to be deprecated
2020-08-14 20:19 <Plugh> msbuild is in the msbuild package on the CentOS based machines I use to run OS.
2020-08-14 20:19 <Plugh> dnf?
2020-08-14 20:20 <steevithak> dnf replaced yum, basically the same thing. 
2020-08-14 20:20 <Plugh> dnf replaced yum?
2020-08-14 20:20 <Plugh> "dnf install msbuild" doesn't work?
2020-08-14 20:20 <Ubit> https://www.mono-project.com/download/stable/#download-lin-centos
2020-08-14 20:20 <steevithak> No, there is no msbuild package that I can find so far
2020-08-14 20:22 <Plugh> Maybe I'm picking it up from the mono-project site as I have added that site as a repo source.
2020-08-14 20:23 <Plugh> The first thing that page Ubit linked to says to add the mono-project repo to your list of package sources. :)
2020-08-14 20:24 <steevithak> Ah, ok, I assumed the RHEL/CentOS mono packages would work. Apparently not. Ok, I'll give that a try
2020-08-14 20:29 <steevithak> Thanks, looks like that worked. I removed the mono-complete from CentOS repo and installed from mono repo. I see an msbuild package in the list now. 
2020-08-14 20:36 <steevithak> Cool, build worked on the first try. 0 warnings, 0 errors. that seems hopeful :)
2020-08-14 22:09 <Tampa> That's failing
2020-08-14 22:14 <Ubit> jenkins was dead
2020-08-14 22:15 <Ubit> fails a test?
2020-08-14 22:17 <Tampa> No missing reference error
2020-08-14 22:17 <Tampa> LSL_Api.cs(137,36): error CS0246: The type or namespace name 'UserInfoCacheEntry' could not be found
2020-08-14 22:17 <Ubit> oh bad c&p i guess
2020-08-14 22:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #7103 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-14 22:18 <Ubit> duhhh
2020-08-14 22:19 <Ubit> what hell
2020-08-14 22:20 <Ubit> it is sunday?
2020-08-14 22:22 <Ubit> well load of 12...
2020-08-14 22:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #7105 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7102 21 hr ago)
2020-08-14 22:51 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-08-14 22:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7105: FIXED in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7105/
2020-08-14 22:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix bad c&p
2020-08-14 22:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #7106 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-08-14 22:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7106: SUCCESS in 3 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7106/
2020-08-14 22:56 <Tampa> 0 warn, tests passed
2020-08-15 00:00 <osmantis> Bug #8744:04 Feature request - BoM in SL bakes at 1024 pixels, BoM in OpenSim bakes at 512 pixels, why the disparity? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8744 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-08-15 00:05 <osmantis> Bug #8744:04 Feature request - BoM in SL bakes at 1024 pixels, BoM in OpenSim bakes at 512 pixels, why the disparity? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8744 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-15 00:24 <osmantis> Bug #8744:04 Feature request - BoM in SL bakes at 1024 pixels, BoM in OpenSim bakes at 512 pixels, why the disparity? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8744 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-15 01:17 <osmantis> Bug #8744:04 Feature request - BoM in SL bakes at 1024 pixels, BoM in OpenSim bakes at 512 pixels, why the disparity? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8744 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-15 01:18 <osmantis> Bug #8744:04 Feature request - BoM in SL bakes at 1024 pixels, BoM in OpenSim bakes at 512 pixels, why the disparity? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8744 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-15 01:19 <Ubit> gezz
2020-08-15 01:26 <osmantis> Bug #8744:04 Feature request - BoM in SL bakes at 1024 pixels, BoM in OpenSim bakes at 512 pixels, why the disparity? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8744 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-15 01:26 <Tampa> graphics processing unit...
2020-08-15 01:27 <Ubit> ll first imp was 512px also
2020-08-15 01:27 <Ubit> 1024 was later
2020-08-15 01:27 <Ubit> and in fact unrelated to bom
2020-08-15 01:27 <Tampa> I don't ask my soundcard to do networking...
2020-08-15 01:28 <Ubit> and that change forced ll to add more machines to that cluster
2020-08-15 01:28 <Ubit> to handle the extra load
2020-08-15 01:28 <Ubit> fun if they where datacenter machines with gpu :p
2020-08-15 01:28 <Tampa> What's the viewer end like anyways just gon be some variable to up from 512 to 1024 even I can patch that no matter how bad the viewer code is
2020-08-15 01:28 <Ubit> ( no need cpu does it .. slower but does it 
2020-08-15 01:29 <Ubit> its more complex
2020-08-15 01:29 <Tampa> You can get servers with gpu now, but they are expensive and just to do this is silly
2020-08-15 01:29 <Ubit> some images on ruth need to ne updated also
2020-08-15 01:29 <Ubit> files on viewers..
2020-08-15 01:29 <Tampa> Phone powerful enough to run viewer can bake some damn textures
2020-08-15 01:29 <Ubit> so you think
2020-08-15 01:29 <Ubit> u have no idea of the mess that is
2020-08-15 01:30 <Tampa> android is a mess no doubt
2020-08-15 01:30 <Ubit> and the number of images a avatar may have
2020-08-15 01:30 <Tampa> My phone has more power than my first and second computer combined
2020-08-15 01:31 <Ubit> and the point is?
2020-08-15 01:31 <Tampa> Why burden a server with something a client can do better
2020-08-15 01:31 <osmantis> Bug #8744:04 Feature request - BoM in SL bakes at 1024 pixels, BoM in OpenSim bakes at 512 pixels, why the disparity? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8744 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-15 14:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #7107 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-15 14:48 <osmantis> Bug #8742:04 All sims crash on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8742 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-15 14:49 <osmantis> Bug #8742:04 All sims crash on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8742 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-15 14:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7107: SUCCESS in 4 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7107/
2020-08-15 14:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: let scripts dataserver do async code actions
2020-08-15 14:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: make llRequestAgentData async
2020-08-15 14:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add some comments about the async dataserver async action
2020-08-15 14:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change llRequestUsername
2020-08-15 14:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: missed check
2020-08-15 14:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change llRequestDisplayName and llGetDisplayName
2020-08-15 14:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change a few more
2020-08-15 14:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change a few notecard dataserver
2020-08-15 15:22 <osmantis> Bug #8742:04 All sims crash on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8742 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-15 15:22 <osmantis> Bug #8742:04 All sims crash on startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8742 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-08-15 16:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #7108 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-15 16:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7108: SUCCESS in 3 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7108/
2020-08-15 16:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add back a lost script delay
2020-08-15 16:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #7109 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-15 16:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7109: SUCCESS in 3 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7109/
2020-08-15 16:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: LSL add some local shortcuts to world(scene) variables
2020-08-15 16:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #7110 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-15 16:55 <Ubit> i can't test llEMail, can anyone plz check if still ok after this commit?
2020-08-15 16:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7110: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7110/
2020-08-15 16:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make llEmail async
2020-08-15 17:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #7111 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-15 17:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7111: SUCCESS in 3 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7111/
2020-08-15 17:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make llTargetedEmail async
2020-08-15 17:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #7112 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-15 17:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7112: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7112/
2020-08-15 17:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops missed a action set
2020-08-15 17:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #7113 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-15 17:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7113: SUCCESS in 3 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7113/
2020-08-15 17:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: modify Dataserver request functions
2020-08-15 17:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #7114 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-15 18:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7114: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7114/
2020-08-15 18:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: use them on LSL api
2020-08-15 18:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #7115 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-15 18:33 <Ubit> oops i said that in public?
2020-08-15 18:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7115: SUCCESS in 3 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7115/
2020-08-15 18:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: first step to phase out RayCastV3: ignore it, and wait for ppl cry
2020-08-15 18:51 <osmantis> Bug #8745:04 Updated functionality of Top Scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8745 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-08-15 18:52 <osmantis> Bug #8745:04 Updated functionality of Top Scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8745 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2020-08-15 19:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #7116 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-15 19:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7116: FAILURE in 1 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7116/
2020-08-15 19:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: LSL no need for Linq
2020-08-15 19:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #7117 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7115 33 min ago)
2020-08-15 19:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7117: STILL FAILING in 1 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7117/
2020-08-15 19:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing bit
2020-08-15 19:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #7118 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #7115 41 min ago)
2020-08-15 19:15 <Ubit> what hell
2020-08-15 19:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7118: STILL FAILING in 1 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7118/
2020-08-15 19:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: more bits?
2020-08-15 19:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #7119 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #7115 1 hr 0 min ago)
2020-08-15 19:37 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-08-15 19:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7119: FIXED in 3 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7119/
2020-08-15 19:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ahh that bit!
2020-08-15 20:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #7120 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-08-15 20:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7120: SUCCESS in 3 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7120/
2020-08-15 20:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: duhh why was i storing something to forget??
2020-08-15 21:03 <osmantis> Bug #8746:04 ${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PrivatePort} should not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8746 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-08-15 21:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #7121 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-15 21:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7121: SUCCESS in 3 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7121/
2020-08-15 21:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change llTransferLindenDollars
2020-08-15 21:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #7122 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-15 21:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7122: SUCCESS in 3 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7122/
2020-08-15 21:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change llGivemoney (like last commit, so it runs on a limited threadpool not the main one
2020-08-16 08:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #7123 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-16 08:39 <osmantis> Bug #8746:04 ${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PrivatePort} should not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8746 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-16 08:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7123: SUCCESS in 10 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7123/
2020-08-16 08:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8746 use PrivURL with PrivPort
2020-08-16 10:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #7124 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-16 10:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7124: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7124/
2020-08-16 10:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: it is NULL_KEY const, not UUID.Zero.Tostring() calls
2020-08-16 12:27 <osmantis> Bug #8746:04 ${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PrivatePort} should not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8746 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-08-16 13:21 <osmantis> Bug #8470:04 Proposal : Separating public and private hostnames in the configuration files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8470 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-16 13:23 <osmantis> Bug #8470:04 Proposal : Separating public and private hostnames in the configuration files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8470 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008746.
2020-08-16 13:23 <osmantis> Bug #8746:04 ${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PrivatePort} should not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8746 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008470.
2020-08-16 13:29 <osmantis> Bug #8470:04 Proposal : Separating public and private hostnames in the configuration files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8470 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-08-16 13:31 <osmantis> Bug #8744:04 Feature request - BoM in SL bakes at 1024 pixels, BoM in OpenSim bakes at 512 pixels, why the disparity? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8744 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-16 13:33 <osmantis> Bug #8743:04 Gaps in rendering of water surface between regions and even into voids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8743 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-08-16 13:34 <osmantis> Bug #8743:04 Gaps in rendering of water surface between regions and even into voids 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8743 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-08-16 19:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #7125 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-16 19:02 <Ubit> oops
2020-08-16 19:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7125: FAILURE in 1 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7125/
2020-08-16 19:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  change llName2Key and add llRequestUserKey (not the patch on mantis 8369, now utdated). some testing needed..
2020-08-16 19:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #7126 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7124 8 hr 56 min ago)
2020-08-16 19:08 <osmantis> Bug #8369:04 [PATCH] llRequestUserKey not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8369 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-16 19:09 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-08-16 19:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7126: FIXED in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7126/
2020-08-16 19:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing bits
2020-08-16 19:53 <steevithak> I'm looking at libopenmetaverse and found two forks. Trying to understand the relationship between them. One on github ( https://github.com/openmetaversefoundation/libopenmetaverse ) and one on the opensim bitbucket ( https://bitbucket.org/opensimulator/libopenmetaverse/src/master/ ). Is the github repo the upstream and opensim repo a working copy of the same code? Or am I looking at two completely different versions of the code?
2020-08-16 19:55 <Ubit> the one we use is the second https://bitbucket.org/opensimulator/libopenmetaverse/src/master/
2020-08-16 19:58 <steevithak> So if my interest is opensim, I should only worry about fork on bitbucket. Does the Open Metaverse Foundation still maintain their fork too?
2020-08-16 20:12 <Ubit> dunno
2020-08-16 21:16 <BillBlight> considering the "official" repo on github has not been updated in 3 years, i'd say that, NO they don't maintain it anymore ..
2020-08-16 21:42 <osmantis> Bug #8747:04 [BulletSim] llApplyImpulse broken since 0.9.1.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8747 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-08-16 21:44 <osmantis> Bug #8747:04 [BulletSim] llApplyImpulse broken since 0.9.1.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8747 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-17 03:47 <osmantis> Bug #8747:04 [BulletSim] llApplyImpulse broken since 0.9.1.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8747 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-17 04:57 <osmantis> Bug #8747:04 [BulletSim] llApplyImpulse broken since 0.9.1.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8747 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-17 09:06 <osmantis> Bug #8747:04 [BulletSim] llApplyImpulse broken since 0.9.1.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8747 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2020-08-17 09:15 <osmantis> Bug #8748:04 commit between 403a0c9f27 and af9b993bb breaks in-world shoutcast radio/stream script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8748 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-08-17 09:30 <osmantis> Bug #8748:04 commit between 403a0c9f27 and af9b993bb breaks in-world shoutcast radio/stream script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8748 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-17 09:37 <osmantis> Bug #8748:04 commit between 403a0c9f27 and af9b993bb breaks in-world shoutcast radio/stream script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8748 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-17 09:41 <osmantis> Bug #8747:04 [BulletSim] llApplyImpulse broken since 0.9.1.1 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8747 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-17 10:38 <osmantis> Bug #8748:04 commit between 403a0c9f27 and af9b993bb breaks in-world shoutcast radio/stream script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8748 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-17 11:20 <osmantis> Bug #8748:04 commit between 403a0c9f27 and af9b993bb breaks in-world shoutcast radio/stream script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8748 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-17 11:29 <osmantis> Bug #8748:04 commit between 403a0c9f27 and af9b993bb breaks in-world shoutcast radio/stream script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8748 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-17 11:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #7127 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-08-17 11:39 <osmantis> Bug #8748:04 commit between 403a0c9f27 and af9b993bb breaks in-world shoutcast radio/stream script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8748 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-17 11:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7127: SUCCESS in 4 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7127/
2020-08-17 11:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8748: fix
2020-08-17 12:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #7128 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-17 12:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7128: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7128/
2020-08-17 12:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: LSL do ImediatePost on cached note card
2020-08-17 12:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #7129 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-17 12:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7129: SUCCESS in 3 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7129/
2020-08-17 12:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oh forgot the forced sleep.. we can't have that can we..
2020-08-17 13:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #7130 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-17 13:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7130: SUCCESS in 3 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7130/
2020-08-17 13:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: expiringcacheOS add faster expire renew on sucessfull tryget
2020-08-17 13:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #7131 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-17 13:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7131: SUCCESS in 3 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7131/
2020-08-17 13:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: duhhh silly change things after doing a copypaste
2020-08-17 14:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #7132 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-17 14:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7132: SUCCESS in 3 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7132/
2020-08-17 14:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change script notecards cache
2020-08-17 14:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #7133 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-17 14:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7133: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7133/
2020-08-17 14:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ok change a confusing expire renew of 0 (that does mean that cache min expire time)
2020-08-17 14:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #7134 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-17 14:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7134: SUCCESS in 3 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7134/
2020-08-17 14:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let expiringcache and expiringkey also have expire update on  containskey
2020-08-17 15:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #7135 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-17 15:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7135: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7135/
2020-08-17 15:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few more changes on lsl notecards
2020-08-17 18:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #7136 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-17 18:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7136: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7136/
2020-08-17 18:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change a timer and expire used types
2020-08-17 18:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #7137 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-17 18:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7137: SUCCESS in 3 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7137/
2020-08-17 18:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops
2020-08-17 19:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #7138 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-17 19:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7138: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7138/
2020-08-17 19:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change other expire
2020-08-17 21:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #7139 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-17 21:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7139: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7139/
2020-08-17 21:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change another expire and remove a redundant one
2020-08-17 22:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #7140 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-17 22:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7140: FAILURE in 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7140/
2020-08-17 22:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: more expires; change profile requests from fifo to lifo. this should increase response on what is of current interest
2020-08-17 22:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #7141 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7139 27 min ago)
2020-08-17 22:26 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-08-17 22:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7141: FIXED in 3 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7141/
2020-08-17 22:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing copypaste
2020-08-18 17:50 <BillBlight> 10 minute warning .... Meow
2020-08-18 20:39 <JeffKelley> MANTIS is in 2019 ? All recebt changes are dated 2019-06-06
2020-08-18 20:40 <Ubit> i see it in 2020
2020-08-18 20:41 <Ubit> like this http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8748
2020-08-18 20:41 <JeffKelley> nope, like this http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8529
2020-08-18 20:42 <Ubit> guess last entry was in 2019
2020-08-18 20:42 <JeffKelley> but IRC message today ?
2020-08-18 20:43 <Ubit> dunno didn't look
2020-08-18 20:44 <JeffKelley> 09:00 osmantis: [19:22:14] Bug #8529: llSleep() Intermittently stops a script ( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8529 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-18 20:45 <Ubit> no idea
2020-08-18 20:45 <JeffKelley> time machine
2020-08-18 20:45 <Ubit> it is right
2020-08-18 20:46 <Ubit> even the day gezz
2020-08-19 08:06 -!- ChristophBalhaus(~Christoph@h2867064.stratoserver.net) has left #opensim-dev
2020-08-19 17:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #7142 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-08-19 17:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7142: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7142/
2020-08-19 17:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
2020-08-19 19:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #7143 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-19 19:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7143: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7143/
2020-08-19 19:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change cache on parcel info
2020-08-19 19:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #7144 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-19 19:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7144: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7144/
2020-08-19 19:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: stop some log abotu parcelinfo find
2020-08-19 19:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #7145 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-19 19:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7145: SUCCESS in 4 min 36 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7145/
2020-08-19 19:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a log message
2020-08-19 20:33 <osmantis> Bug #8749:04 llClearPrimMedia disables capability to play a media 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8749 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-08-19 23:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #7146 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-19 23:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7146: FAILURE in 2 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7146/
2020-08-19 23:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8749: viewers are stupid
2020-08-19 23:10 <osmantis> Bug #8749:04 llClearPrimMedia disables capability to play a media 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8749 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-19 23:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #7147 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7145 3 hr 23 min ago)
2020-08-19 23:15 <Ubit> our also
2020-08-19 23:16 <osmantis> Bug #8749:04 llClearPrimMedia disables capability to play a media 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8749 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-19 23:16 <osmantis> Bug #8749:04 llClearPrimMedia disables capability to play a media 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8749 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-19 23:17 <Ubit> have to keep a stupid string for ever to remember a thing the prim does not have anymore..
2020-08-19 23:17 <Ubit> gezzz
2020-08-19 23:19 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-08-19 23:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7147: FIXED in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7147/
2020-08-19 23:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: and out tests...
2020-08-19 23:19 <JeffKelley> want a test on the last one ?
2020-08-19 23:19 <Ubit> nahh that code is not used
2020-08-19 23:20 <Ubit> its automatic tests after compile
2020-08-19 23:25 <JeffKelley> tested both llClearPrimMedia and llClearLinkMedia and all seems ok to me. i will try to get a second test from djphil, i know he loves media
2020-08-19 23:30 <Ubit> it was a problem with version
2020-08-19 23:31 <Ubit> clear just did clear it all inc last version
2020-08-19 23:31 <JeffKelley> version of what ?
2020-08-19 23:31 <Ubit> moap setting
2020-08-19 23:31 <JeffKelley> oh, it's versioned ?
2020-08-19 23:31 <Ubit> viewer does not forget the last, and it wants always a large one
2020-08-19 23:31 <Ubit> yeap it is
2020-08-19 23:32 <JeffKelley> i remember that working with Firestorm < 6
2020-08-19 23:33 <Ubit> wel we waste some 50 or more bytes on any part that had moap once
2020-08-19 23:33 <Ubit> ufff
2020-08-19 23:35 <JeffKelley> btw, is there some documentation yet about the new sky ?
2020-08-19 23:35 <Ubit> google it :p
2020-08-19 23:35 <Ubit> sl eep
2020-08-19 23:37 <JeffKelley> hope Firestorm will fix it's ugly stars
2020-08-19 23:40 <JeffKelley> eep is not scriptable, i have no use of that
2020-08-19 23:43 <Ubit> well i did add some funtions
2020-08-19 23:44 <Ubit> still didn't the HUGE one that allows parameters
2020-08-19 23:44 <Ubit> i so do not like it
2020-08-19 23:44 <JeffKelley> i see they control it through llGetEnvironment, SKY_ parameters should match old WL_ i hope
2020-08-19 23:45 <Ubit> not exactly
2020-08-19 23:45 <Ubit> btw ligthshare scripts now create basic daycycle eep assets
2020-08-19 23:46 <Ubit> wee region setting
2020-08-19 23:48 <JeffKelley> i ramp on WL_AMBIENT, WL_MAX_ALTITUDE, WL_CLOUD_COVERAGE to reflect change in altitude
2020-08-19 23:49 <Ubit> well i didn't look to the ll one that allows all those parameters
2020-08-19 23:49 <Ubit> its a ton of them :)
2020-08-19 23:50 <Ubit> and bet ill have colison with the lightshare constants
2020-08-19 23:50 <JeffKelley> you can be sure of that
2020-08-19 23:50 <JeffKelley> that's Murphy's law
2020-08-19 23:52 <JeffKelley> WTF! there is a GetEnvironment but no SetEnvironment ???
2020-08-19 23:52 <Ubit> yeap
2020-08-19 23:52 <Ubit> there is one just for a target avatar
2020-08-19 23:52 <Ubit> lGetDayLength  NEW   I  
2020-08-19 23:52 <Ubit> llGetDayOffset
2020-08-19 23:53 <Ubit> this we have
2020-08-19 23:53 <Ubit> ah and that depends on experiences also
2020-08-19 23:54 <JeffKelley> that's an insult to scripters
2020-08-19 23:54 <Ubit> guess that one is the only one we don't have
2020-08-19 23:54 <Ubit> possible is easier for me to extend lightshare
2020-08-19 23:57 <JeffKelley> i see no way to change the sky globally by script
2020-08-19 23:57 <Ubit> i even don't see that func
2020-08-19 23:57 <Ubit> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlReplaceAgentEnvironment
2020-08-19 23:57 <Ubit> found
2020-08-19 23:58 <JeffKelley> for a single agent
2020-08-19 23:58 <Ubit> oops and uses a asset
2020-08-19 23:58 <Ubit> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlSetAgentEnvironment
2020-08-19 23:58 <Ubit> this is the big mess
2020-08-19 23:59 <Ubit> well no constants for the fields
2020-08-19 23:59 <Ubit> but some of those may colide
2020-08-20 00:00 <JeffKelley> that sucks
2020-08-20 00:00 <Ubit> well i need a lot of time to try to add ossl ones
2020-08-20 00:01 <Ubit> its a ton of parameters :)
2020-08-20 00:02 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Category:OSSL_Functions
2020-08-20 00:02 <Ubit> the ones i did add are there
2020-08-20 00:02 <Ubit> ( no "assets" edit
2020-08-20 00:03 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsReplaceRegionEnvironment
2020-08-20 00:03 <Ubit> should allow change the altitudes
2020-08-20 00:06 <JeffKelley> it's no so fine-grained that lightshare was, i could change gradually  MAX_ALTITUDE to simulate a fly in the stratosphere, get rid of clouds ...
2020-08-20 00:07 <Ubit> for now they assume ppl will do all editing with viewer
2020-08-20 00:07 <Ubit> also changes are heavy on viewers
2020-08-20 00:07 <Ubit> they don't want fast scripts doing that
2020-08-20 00:08 <JeffKelley> that's astronaut unfriendly
2020-08-20 00:08 <Ubit> all is
2020-08-20 00:09 <Ubit> ubode does drag all the time :p
2020-08-20 00:09 <Ubit> viwers etc are based on a surface thing only
2020-08-20 00:09 <JeffKelley> i don' use physics, i'm a big fans of KFM
2020-08-20 06:00 <osmantis> Bug #8750:04 TaskInventoryAccepted misses bulk updates, RLV negatively affected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8750 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-08-20 06:01 <osmantis> Bug #8750:04 TaskInventoryAccepted misses bulk updates, RLV negatively affected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8750 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006311.
2020-08-20 06:01 <osmantis> Bug #6311:04 llGiveInventoryList no longer functions as expected. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6311 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008750.
2020-08-20 06:08 <osmantis> Bug #8750:04 TaskInventoryAccepted misses bulk updates, RLV negatively affected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8750 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-20 06:21 <Tampa> JeffKelley any reason for staying on such old Firestorm?
2020-08-20 06:24 <JeffKelley> yes, stucked with an old version of MacOS. FS wants 10.15 and my machine won't run it
2020-08-20 06:25 <Tampa> ouch
2020-08-20 06:27 <JeffKelley> i have a Mac Pro 2010 and the 2019 model is way out of my budget
2020-08-20 06:28 <Tampa> hackintosh
2020-08-20 06:28 <Tampa> cause screw Apple honestly
2020-08-20 06:28 <JeffKelley> what do you think a newer FS would solve for me, except being "up to date" ?
2020-08-20 06:31 <Tampa> Parity with technology in OpenSim
2020-08-20 06:31 <Tampa> Bugfixes
2020-08-20 06:33 <JeffKelley> certainly, the way Apple addressed the Mac Pro line is a disgrace, hackintosh is my future
2020-08-20 06:34 <Tampa> Or linux of course, but getting FS to work on that... hmmmm, though maybe it's time someone finally gave that a go proper
2020-08-20 06:35 <JeffKelley> i'm not really fan of Linux desktops
2020-08-20 09:27 <osmantis> Bug #8751:04 [FLOTSAM ASSET CACHE] information diagnostics being shown every hour when [AssetCache] LogLevel = 0 (errors only) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8751 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-08-20 09:27 <osmantis> Bug #8751:04 [FLOTSAM ASSET CACHE] information diagnostics being shown every hour when [AssetCache] LogLevel = 0 (errors only) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8751 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-08-20 09:42 <Tampa> lol, a typo, in OpenSim, nah ;P
2020-08-20 09:42 <Tampa> OpenSims largest commit: Corrected all spelling mistakes
2020-08-20 10:10 <osmantis> Bug #8750:04 TaskInventoryAccepted misses bulk updates, RLV negatively affected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8750 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-20 12:58 <osmantis> Bug #8751:04 [FLOTSAM ASSET CACHE] information diagnostics being shown every hour when [AssetCache] LogLevel = 0 (errors only) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8751 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-08-20 19:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #7148 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-08-20 20:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7148: SUCCESS in 5 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7148/
2020-08-20 20:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8750: several changes to task inventory accept
2020-08-20 20:05 <osmantis> Bug #8750:04 TaskInventoryAccepted misses bulk updates, RLV negatively affected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8750 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-20 20:06 <Ubit> duhh how do i turn off rlv?
2020-08-20 20:07 <Ubit> :)
2020-08-20 20:08 <Ubit> duhh on the menu next to it.. grr
2020-08-20 20:09 <Ubit> should tell it needs a restart
2020-08-20 20:13 <osmantis> Bug #8751:04 [FLOTSAM ASSET CACHE] information diagnostics being shown every hour when [AssetCache] LogLevel = 0 (errors only) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8751 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-20 20:17 <osmantis> Bug #8750:04 TaskInventoryAccepted misses bulk updates, RLV negatively affected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8750 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-20 20:30 <osmantis> Bug #8748:04 commit between 403a0c9f27 and af9b993bb breaks in-world shoutcast radio/stream script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8748 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-20 20:31 <osmantis> Bug #8751:04 [FLOTSAM ASSET CACHE] information diagnostics being shown every hour when [AssetCache] LogLevel = 0 (errors only) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8751 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-20 20:39 <osmantis> Bug #8751:04 [FLOTSAM ASSET CACHE] information diagnostics being shown every hour when [AssetCache] LogLevel = 0 (errors only) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8751 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-20 20:40 <Tampa> heh
2020-08-20 20:40 <Tampa> naughty
2020-08-20 20:47 <Tampa> Comical how little most of my regions use that, maybe I should configure it instead of relying on defaults
2020-08-20 20:54 <Ubit> its heavy
2020-08-20 20:58 <osmantis> Bug #8751:04 [FLOTSAM ASSET CACHE] information diagnostics being shown every hour when [AssetCache] LogLevel = 0 (errors only) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8751 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-20 21:04 <Bill_Blight> I'm really unsure how 4 lines of text every few hours, or even every hour , would "dominate the OpenSim.exe console"
2020-08-20 21:06 <Tampa> If you disable most other logging it shows up quite a lot, then again region has to be empty for that as well
2020-08-21 12:49 <osmantis> Bug #8752:04 Sending a folder from inventory to another user no longer gives the receiving user confirmation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8752 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-08-21 15:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #7149 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-21 15:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7149: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7149/
2020-08-21 15:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8752: let messages show up
2020-08-21 17:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #7150 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-21 17:46 <osmantis> Bug #8752:04 Sending a folder from inventory to another user no longer gives the receiving user confirmation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8752 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-21 17:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7150: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7150/
2020-08-21 17:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let viewer filters on inventory offer work
2020-08-21 21:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #7151 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-21 21:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7151: SUCCESS in 5 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7151/
2020-08-21 21:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: more changes on task inventory offers
2020-08-21 21:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #7152 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-21 21:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7152: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7152/
2020-08-21 21:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missed one spot
2020-08-21 21:37 <osmantis> Bug #8750:04 TaskInventoryAccepted misses bulk updates, RLV negatively affected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8750 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-21 22:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #7153 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-21 22:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7153: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7153/
2020-08-21 22:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a typo
2020-08-22 11:40 <osmantis> Bug #8750:04 TaskInventoryAccepted misses bulk updates, RLV negatively affected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8750 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-08-22 11:43 <osmantis> Bug #8598:04 Search lists groups with 0 or 1 members 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8598 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-08-22 12:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #7154 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-22 12:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7154: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7154/
2020-08-22 12:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Top Scripts
2020-08-22 12:11 <JeffKelley> better
2020-08-22 12:12 <JeffKelley> except when hitting Refresh
2020-08-22 12:18 <JeffKelley> i suppose because it clears times (not a moving average) , so startup time is forgotten
2020-08-22 16:05 <steevithak> I'm reading the dev docs in the wiki and seeing terms OGS1 and OGS2. But other than a note saying OGS1 no longer exists I can't find much on their history. I'm guessing it stood for "Opensimulator Grid Services"? Were these replaced by ROBUST?
2020-08-22 16:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #7155 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-22 16:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7155: SUCCESS in 4 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7155/
2020-08-22 16:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: break the top thingies
2020-08-22 22:39 <osmantis> Bug #8753:04 Requesting teleport lures wasn't working across regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8753 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-08-22 22:40 <osmantis> Bug #8753:04 Requesting teleport lures wasn't working across regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8753 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2020-08-22 23:14 <osmantis> Bug #8753:04 Requesting teleport lures wasn't working across regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8753 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-22 23:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #7156 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-22 23:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7156: SUCCESS in 5 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7156/
2020-08-22 23:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8753; apply patch by hand
2020-08-23 00:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #7157 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-23 00:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7157: SUCCESS in 4 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7157/
2020-08-23 00:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add cap AttachmentResources ( no urls, memory account is per yengine mem usage)
2020-08-23 00:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #7158 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-23 01:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7158: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7158/
2020-08-23 01:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove a devel auxiliar string
2020-08-23 01:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #7159 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-23 01:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7159: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7159/
2020-08-23 01:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
2020-08-23 01:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #7160 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-23 01:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7160: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7160/
2020-08-23 01:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid a null ref
2020-08-23 02:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #7161 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-23 02:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7161: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7161/
2020-08-23 02:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change code for urls usage. Still bad after (un)link
2020-08-23 02:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #7162 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-23 03:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7162: SUCCESS in 4 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7162/
2020-08-23 03:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove a replaced method
2020-08-23 03:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #7163 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-23 03:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7163: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7163/
2020-08-23 03:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let cap AttachmentResources show urls
2020-08-23 04:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #7164 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-23 04:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7164: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7164/
2020-08-23 04:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: duhhhh
2020-08-23 11:47 <Ubit> gezz ll protocols are are stupid and getting a lot worse
2020-08-23 11:48 <Ubit> not only the move from high compact binary encode on lludp to absurd llsdxml
2020-08-23 11:49 <Ubit> but also on how they add more useless crap on that...
2020-08-23 11:50 <Ubit>   LLSDxmlEncode.AddMap(sb);
2020-08-23 11:50 <Ubit>                 LLSDxmlEncode.AddElem("amount", (int)-1, sb);
2020-08-23 11:50 <Ubit>                 LLSDxmlEncode.AddElem("type", "memory", sb);
2020-08-23 11:50 <Ubit>                 LLSDxmlEncode.AddEndMap(sb);
2020-08-23 11:50 <Ubit> damm morons that is just
2020-08-23 11:50 <Ubit>  LLSDxmlEncode.AddElem("memory", -1, sb);
2020-08-23 11:51 <Ubit> and that on a crap than cna be repeated for ALL prims on a region in a single message
2020-08-23 11:52 <Ubit> not xml is bad.. how they use it is even worse
2020-08-23 11:52 <Ubit> gezz
2020-08-23 11:52 <Ubit> and i have to waste memory and cpu cloning that bs??
2020-08-23 11:53 <JeffKelley> the joy of DTDs
2020-08-23 11:53 <Ubit> gezz folks like google understud ages ago how compact messages DO MATTER
2020-08-23 11:54 <Ubit> going over the damm xml religion
2020-08-23 11:54 <Ubit> ms half learned.. moving to json.. pretty much as bad
2020-08-23 11:54 <Ubit> but ll is worse as i said..
2020-08-23 11:55 <Ubit> add a ton  of useless crap like that amount/type
2020-08-23 11:55 <Ubit> one could think that is bc they use a generic handler code
2020-08-23 11:55 <Ubit> well they don't parse each thing case by case
2020-08-23 11:56 <Ubit> a comma missing there..   theu don't, they parse :)
2020-08-23 11:57 <Ubit> enviroment encoding was crap..  but this one about scripts stats... GEzzz
2020-08-23 11:57 <Ubit> and let users click and click and click  forcng region to scan all prims and scripts each time
2020-08-23 12:00 <Ubit> not sure they use DTD llsdxml is not 100% xml
2020-08-23 12:04 <Ubit> hmm why in hell show scripts memory use to all public with no rights in region?
2020-08-23 12:04 <Ubit> summary report
2020-08-23 12:04 <Ubit> Otherwise, you see: 
2020-08-23 12:04 <Ubit> Total memory used for all objects on all parcels in the region that are owned by the owner of the parcel. 
2020-08-23 12:04 <Ubit> Total URLs used and available for all objects on all parcels in the region that are owned by the owner of the parcel. 
2020-08-23 12:04 <Ubit> hmm how is that public matter ?
2020-08-23 12:05 <Ubit> mainland wars?
2020-08-23 12:07 <JeffKelley> possibly, makes no sense for us when we all own 10^n regions, why in hell would we **split** one ?
2020-08-23 12:07 <Ubit> i only see use on mainland wars
2020-08-23 12:08 <Ubit> ppl fighting each other..  "you are using 2 much..."
2020-08-23 12:09 <Ubit> on private islands, thats estate managers job
2020-08-23 12:56 <Ubit> LOL
2020-08-23 12:56 <Ubit> if(content["summary"]["used"][0]["type"].asString() == std::string("memory"))
2020-08-23 12:56 <Ubit> 	{
2020-08-23 12:56 <Ubit> 		mParcelMemoryUsed = content["summary"]["used"][0]["amount"].asInteger() / SIZE_OF_ONE_KB;
2020-08-23 12:56 <Ubit> 		mParcelMemoryMax = content["summary"]["available"][0]["amount"].asInteger() / SIZE_OF_ONE_KB;
2020-08-23 12:56 <Ubit> 		mGotParcelMemoryUsed = true;
2020-08-23 12:56 <Ubit> 	}
2020-08-23 12:56 <Ubit> 	else if(content["summary"]["used"][1]["type"].asString() == std::string("memory"))
2020-08-23 12:57 <Ubit> bc the crap Type, they need to check the 2 possible array entries to find memmory :)
2020-08-23 12:57 <Ubit> if(content["summary"]["used"][0]["type"].asString() == std::string("memory"))
2020-08-23 12:57 <Ubit> 	{
2020-08-23 12:57 <Ubit> 		mParcelMemoryUsed = content["summary"]["used"][0]["amount"].asInteger() / SIZE_OF_ONE_KB;
2020-08-23 12:57 <Ubit> 		mParcelMemoryMax = content["summary"]["available"][0]["amount"].asInteger() / SIZE_OF_ONE_KB;
2020-08-23 12:57 <Ubit> 		mGotParcelMemoryUsed = true;
2020-08-23 12:57 <Ubit> 	}
2020-08-23 12:57 <Ubit> what a total crap :)
2020-08-23 12:58 <Ubit> and ppl complain viewers are slow 
2020-08-23 15:22 <osmantis> Bug #8748:04 commit between 403a0c9f27 and af9b993bb breaks in-world shoutcast radio/stream script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8748 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-23 15:22 <osmantis> Bug #8748:04 commit between 403a0c9f27 and af9b993bb breaks in-world shoutcast radio/stream script 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8748 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-08-23 16:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #7165 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-23 16:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7165: SUCCESS in 4 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7165/
2020-08-23 16:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: clip xy on parcels fake id, fix address compare, etc
2020-08-23 20:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #7166 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-23 20:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7166: SUCCESS in 5 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7166/
2020-08-23 20:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: create a parcel fakeID using a point actually on it
2020-08-23 21:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #7167 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-23 21:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7167: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7167/
2020-08-23 21:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: duhh things about scripts are for objects with scripts, not all
2020-08-23 21:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #7168 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-23 21:53 <Ubit> well "may be bad" means opensim :p
2020-08-23 21:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7168: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7168/
2020-08-23 21:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: enable cap LandResources that was also added on last commits ( may be bad)
2020-08-23 22:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #7169 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-23 22:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7169: SUCCESS in 3 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7169/
2020-08-23 22:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: of course it is broken
2020-08-24 14:09 <osmantis> Bug #8755:04 Unable to fetch inventory does not provide cause 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8755 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-08-24 14:09 <osmantis> Bug #8755:04 Unable to fetch inventory does not provide cause 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8755 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2020-08-24 16:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #7170 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-24 16:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7170: SUCCESS in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7170/
2020-08-24 16:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: several changes to land handling. Landchannel.cs is just a wrrapper for landmanagementmodule, so let module be it and ignore all code on landchannel.cs, to remove one day; make parcel fakeID more a thing (it is our actual parcel ID. proper globalID cannot be sent to viewers, because HG, etc.
2020-08-24 19:05 <Ubit> don't say ubrokeit :p
2020-08-25 01:21 <Bill_Blight> Why you break it ?
2020-08-25 07:35 <Aramis^> Dimi... why you do dis to me Dimi? (Exorcist *shudder*)
2020-08-25 12:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #7171 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-25 12:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7171: SUCCESS in 5 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7171/
2020-08-25 12:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  let the expiring things purge be a bit more concurrent
2020-08-25 13:45 <osmantis> Bug #8755:04 Unable to fetch inventory does not provide cause 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8755 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-25 14:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #7172 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-25 14:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7172: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7172/
2020-08-25 14:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add GetRegionByHandle methods
2020-08-25 14:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #7173 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-25 14:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7173: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7173/
2020-08-25 14:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8755: display bad folders owner (if avaiable) but on a single message per request, not per each bad one.(please test, i don't have bad folders
2020-08-25 15:16 <osmantis> Bug #8755:04 Unable to fetch inventory does not provide cause 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8755 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-25 16:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #7174 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-25 16:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7174: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7174/
2020-08-25 16:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change scene comms and neighbour
2020-08-25 16:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #7175 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-25 16:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7175: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7175/
2020-08-25 16:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
2020-08-25 17:55 <BillBlight> 5 minute warning ... Meow
2020-08-25 18:31 <BillBlight> region crashed
2020-08-25 18:32 <Ubit> nahh just did a unscheduled restart
2020-08-25 18:47 <BillBlight> and one more time, just for giggles
2020-08-25 18:48 <Plugh> I was about to say let's keep going when my viewer crashed again. :P
2020-08-25 18:48 <Plugh> well, not viewer. Region I suspect.
2020-08-25 18:58 <BillBlight> not going to bring the region back up till Ubit figures it out
2020-08-25 18:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #7176 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-25 18:59 <Ubit> its a null ref that should not happen
2020-08-25 18:59 <Ubit> well index out of range
2020-08-25 18:59 <BillBlight> ok well I'll bring it back up see what we can catch
2020-08-25 18:59 <Ubit> after checking the range :p
2020-08-25 19:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7176: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7176/
2020-08-25 19:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a debug message
2020-08-25 19:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #7177 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-25 19:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7177: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7177/
2020-08-25 19:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: possible fix the real issue
2020-08-25 20:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #7178 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-25 20:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7178: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7178/
2020-08-25 20:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: debug other thing
2020-08-25 20:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #7179 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-25 20:36 <osmantis> Bug #8755:04 Unable to fetch inventory does not provide cause 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8755 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-25 20:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7179: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7179/
2020-08-25 20:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: debug other thing...
2020-08-25 20:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #7180 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-25 20:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7180: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7180/
2020-08-25 20:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add parcel fakeID to show land
2020-08-25 20:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #7181 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-25 20:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7181: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7181/
2020-08-25 20:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: also on individual show
2020-08-25 21:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #7182 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-25 21:39 <osmantis> Bug #8755:04 Unable to fetch inventory does not provide cause 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8755 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-25 21:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7182: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7182/
2020-08-25 21:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a missing fakeid copy
2020-08-25 22:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #7183 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-25 22:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7183: SUCCESS in 4 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7183/
2020-08-25 22:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cleanup the added debug messages
2020-08-25 22:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #7184 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-25 22:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7184: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7184/
2020-08-25 22:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: stop move to target on local tps
2020-08-26 00:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #7185 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-26 00:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7185: SUCCESS in 3 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7185/
2020-08-26 00:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a bit more debug
2020-08-26 02:27 <steevithak> I'm reading a paper on OpenSimulator that says in Dec 2009, Adam Frisby proposed a plan to refactor OpenSimulator to use an Entity-Component model, apparently in relation to something RealXtend was working on. Does anyone know if that ever happened? And is Frisby's plan online somewhere? (couldn't find it in the wiki)
2020-08-26 02:28 <Ubit> Adam runs its own thing now
2020-08-26 02:37 <steevithak> Found it! It was in the mailing list archive. It's a pretty detailed plan with diagrams and code (in a PDF attached to the email). Looks like everyone agreed to do it but I can't tell if it was actually completed and merged. http://opensimulator.org/pipermail/opensim-dev/2009-December/020487.html
2020-08-26 02:58 <BillBlight> RealXtend has been dead since 2016
2020-08-26 13:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #7186 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-26 13:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7186: FAILURE in 1 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7186/
2020-08-26 13:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change handling of temporary caps services
2020-08-26 13:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #7187 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7185 12 hr ago)
2020-08-26 13:28 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-08-26 13:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7187: FIXED in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7187/
2020-08-26 13:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix bad paste
2020-08-26 13:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #7188 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-08-26 13:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7188: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7188/
2020-08-26 13:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: and another one
2020-08-26 15:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #7189 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-26 15:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7189: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7189/
2020-08-26 15:13 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add another thing ot iclient
2020-08-26 15:13 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: replace the use of a dead end client api. We need one, but never one based on massive dictionary searchs of find basic functions (enought what c# does) and def not based on reflection
2020-08-26 15:13 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: really??
2020-08-26 15:13 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: another..
2020-08-26 15:13 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: another..
2020-08-26 15:24 <JeffKelley> ot ?
2020-08-26 15:29 <BillBlight> ot = to , in Ubit typonese
2020-08-26 15:35 <Ubit> :p
2020-08-26 17:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #7190 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-26 17:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7190: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7190/
2020-08-26 17:47 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: cosmetics
2020-08-26 17:47 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: cosmetics
2020-08-26 20:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #7191 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-26 20:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7191: SUCCESS in 3 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7191/
2020-08-26 20:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv
2020-08-26 20:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #7192 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-26 20:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7192: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7192/
2020-08-26 20:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update scriptsyntax
2020-08-27 11:02 <fantasy> hi all latest update block upload image
2020-08-27 11:58 <Ubit> just worked fine for me
2020-08-27 11:59 <Ubit> look to console.. any error?
2020-08-27 12:10 <fantasy> No error i retray 
2020-08-27 12:10 <Ubit> don't know just did upload a few
2020-08-27 12:10 <Ubit> with fs..
2020-08-27 12:11 <Ubit> the changes only did impact how a timeout is handled, not the rest ( i hope )
2020-08-27 12:11 <fantasy> 12:56:20 - [BASE HTTP SERVER]: HandleRequest() threw exception System.NullReferenceException: Riferimento a un oggetto non impostato su un'istanza di oggetto.
2020-08-27 12:11 <fantasy> assetType, String path, IHttpServer httpServer, Boolean dumpAssetsToFile, Int32 totalCost, UUID texturesFolder, Int32 nreqtextures, Int32 nreqmeshs, Int32 nreqinstances, Boolean IsAtestUpload, Int32 nextOwnerMask, Int32 groupMask, Int32 everyoneMask, Int32[] meshesSides)
2020-08-27 12:11 <fantasy> OpenSim.Region.ClientStack.Linden.BunchOfCaps.NewAgentInventoryRequest(LLSDAssetUploadRequest llsdRequest)
2020-08-27 12:11 <fantasy> Stream request, IOSHttpRequest httpRequest, IOSHttpResponse httpResponse)
2020-08-27 12:12 <Ubit> ok a error is better :)
2020-08-27 12:12 <fantasy> yes i see now 
2020-08-27 12:13 <Ubit> no line numbers ?
2020-08-27 12:13 <fantasy> no i'm in console i mus to run on debuger 
2020-08-27 12:13 <Ubit> ( it did work for me anyway
2020-08-27 12:15 <fantasy> mmm it is strange  i have a dubs 
2020-08-27 12:20 <Ubit> see no changes on that area..
2020-08-27 12:21 <Ubit> clear folder install?
2020-08-27 12:21 <Ubit> did runprebuild etc?
2020-08-27 12:26 <fantasy> Just second i try to do one thing
2020-08-27 13:05 <fantasy> Now work it could be my modify maybe when merge. I go back to latest clear and work. I had modify BunchOfCups.cs (Line 2402)  m_timeoutTimer.Interval = 120000; ->  m_timeoutTimer.Interval = 120000 *1000;
2020-08-27 13:05 <fantasy> more time because not work load mesh with a lot of text
2020-08-27 13:05 <fantasy> texture
2020-08-27 13:10 <Ubit> did runprebuild etc?
2020-08-27 13:10 <Ubit> oops
2020-08-27 13:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #7193 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-27 13:11 <Ubit>  m_timeoutTimer.Interval = 120000 *1000 ?? NO WAY
2020-08-27 13:13 <Ubit> thats more than a day
2020-08-27 13:13 <Ubit> NO NO NO
2020-08-27 13:14 <fantasy> ok it it much time i know just to try if i solve could be more time
2020-08-27 13:14 <fantasy> :-)
2020-08-27 13:14 <Ubit> def is 2min
2020-08-27 13:15 <Ubit> try it with normal time
2020-08-27 13:15 <Ubit> if fails, something is odd.. but increase a BIT !!
2020-08-27 13:15 <Ubit> like 300 000 for 5min
2020-08-27 13:15 <fantasy> i have timeout when upload dae hud in particular with a lot lot texture inside it is hud of dress not do well
2020-08-27 13:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7193: SUCCESS in 5 min 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7193/
2020-08-27 13:16 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add a global expiring bad urls
2020-08-27 13:16 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: several changes to worldmap
2020-08-27 13:17 <fantasy> If you increase or make parameter in config could be a a good solution
2020-08-27 13:20 <fantasy> It is happen with dae of 80 texture 1024x1024 it is difficult calculate a good timer
2020-08-27 16:38 <Tampa> pragma is suppressing 720 warnings, mostly from events and unused stuff
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2020-08-27 21:05 <BillBlight> https://youtu.be/VtFJHzfGnpI   just going to leave that here ...
2020-08-27 21:38 <BillBlight> oops that video had a booboo in it, please hold ...
2020-08-27 22:11 <BillBlight> https://youtu.be/M1C5BevMZCc  ... Ok that's better
2020-08-28 07:52 <fantasy> Hi all I have a tecnical dubs.  I mean when export something in xml it is correct there isn't weigh of rig mesh?  So where is store ? or how viewer retrive this?
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2020-08-28 07:59 <fantasy> Go back
2020-08-28 13:14 <fantasy>  Util STP threadfunc 62658 terminated with error System.Net.WebException: Richiesta annullata: Timeout dell'operazione..
2020-08-28 13:14 <fantasy>    in OpenSim.Framework.SynchronousRestFormsRequester.MakePostRequest(String requestUrl, String obj, IServiceAuth auth, Int32 timeoutsecs, Boolean keepalive)
2020-08-28 13:14 <fantasy>    in OpenSim.Services.Connectors.XInventoryServicesConnector.MakeRequest(Dictionary`2 sendData)
2020-08-28 13:14 <fantasy>    in OpenSim.Services.Connectors.XInventoryServicesConnector.GetRootFolder(UUID principalID)
2020-08-28 13:14 <fantasy>    in OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.ServiceConnectorsOut.Inventory.RemoteXInventoryServicesConnector.GetRootFolder(UUID userID)
2020-08-28 13:14 <fantasy>    in OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.ServiceConnectorsOut.Inventory.HGInventoryBroker.GetRootFolder(UUID userID)
2020-08-28 13:14 <fantasy>    in OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.Avatar.AvatarFactory.AvatarFactoryModule.SetAppearanceAssets(UUID userID, AvatarAppearance appearance)
2020-08-28 13:14 <fantasy>    in OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.Avatar.AvatarFactory.AvatarFactoryModule.SaveAppearance(List`1 ids)
2020-08-28 13:14 <fantasy>    in OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.Avatar.AvatarFactory.AvatarFactoryModule.<>c__DisplayClass39_0.<HandleAppearanceUpdateTimer>b__0(Object <p0>)
2020-08-28 13:14 <fantasy>    in OpenSim.Framework.Util.<>c__DisplayClass191_0.<FireAndForget>b__1(Object o)
2020-08-28 13:28 <fantasy> But my previus question anyone?
2020-08-28 13:41 <fantasy> I want to know if in XML export of rigged MESH there is weigh or no. If Yes where ? 
2020-08-28 14:16 <Ubit> mesh are just viewers defined format
2020-08-28 14:17 <Ubit> we only try to read then for physics or map image
2020-08-28 14:18 <Ubit> i mean decode
2020-08-28 14:18 <fantasy> Hi Ubit so there is notthing in xml for weight as you see correct
2020-08-28 14:20 <fantasy> so viewer use physics or map image to do this
2020-08-28 14:22 <fantasy> This is cusiosly how a can have this map image because do you know MeshesSL to create DAE for RIG mesh i think just create something calculate and not real 
2020-08-28 16:08 <Ubit> uauu opensim-fest regions look great
2020-08-28 16:08 <Ubit> may crash ( they are opensim ) but do look great :)
2020-08-28 22:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #7194 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-28 22:37 <Ubit> oops 32 errors lol
2020-08-28 22:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7194: FAILURE in 1 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7194/
2020-08-28 22:38 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: several changes to usermanagement and profiles
2020-08-28 22:38 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: try reduce some inv spam re introduced recently.. but something very wrong with suitcase concept
2020-08-28 22:38 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: cleanup
2020-08-28 22:38 <BillBlight> Ubrokeit strikes again
2020-08-28 22:38 <Ubit> :p
2020-08-28 22:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #7195 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7193 1 day 9 hr ago)
2020-08-28 22:42 <Ubit> ok 0.. if works is other story, as usual
2020-08-28 22:46 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-08-28 22:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7195: FIXED in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7195/
2020-08-28 22:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file
2020-08-28 23:40 <BillBlight> 
ACTION puts some duct tape on Ubit's internet

2020-08-28 23:41 <Ubit> ty
2020-08-28 23:42 <Ubit> map was totaly dead..  i was thinking, ok what did i break..
2020-08-28 23:42 <Ubit> i just had no net :p
2020-08-29 09:45 <fantasy> @UBit where or how i can see physic or map image of mesh
2020-08-29 18:50 <osmantis> Bug #8756:04 land_collision fires twice in ubODE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8756 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-08-29 18:52 <osmantis> Bug #8749:04 llClearPrimMedia disables capability to play a media 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8749 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-08-29 18:56 <osmantis> Bug #8756:04 land_collision fires twice in ubODE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8756 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-29 19:08 <osmantis> Bug #8756:04 land_collision fires twice in ubODE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8756 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-29 19:09 <osmantis> Bug #8756:04 land_collision fires twice in ubODE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8756 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-29 19:10 <JeffKelley> bug or feature ?
2020-08-29 19:10 <Ubit> kinda feature
2020-08-29 19:11 <Ubit> also physics is async.. collisions go to a queue done by other thread when ready
2020-08-29 19:11 <Ubit> so the reset does not ensure just one
2020-08-29 19:12 <JeffKelley> you mean my llResetScript ?
2020-08-29 19:12 <Ubit> yeap
2020-08-29 19:12 <JeffKelley> it was not intended to clear the event queue
2020-08-29 19:12 <Ubit> without the reset you see a non stop flood, "full speed"
2020-08-29 19:13 <JeffKelley> i missed this one
2020-08-29 19:13 <Ubit> collision even it terrible
2020-08-29 19:14 <Ubit> avoid it
2020-08-29 19:14 <Ubit> use collision_start
2020-08-29 19:14 <Ubit> or _end
2020-08-29 19:14 <Ubit> ( with bounce you can also get several.. bc well it did bounce
2020-08-29 19:15 <Ubit> the use of collision even is why some AOs are terrible for lag
2020-08-29 19:15 <JeffKelley> there is no land_collision_start/end, do usual start/end events fire in case of land collision ?
2020-08-29 19:16 <Ubit> err there isn't?
2020-08-29 19:16 <Ubit> yes there are
2020-08-29 19:17 <JeffKelley> checking ...
2020-08-29 19:20 <JeffKelley> i don't see any collision_start
2020-08-29 19:21 <Ubit> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Land_collision_start
2020-08-29 19:21 <Ubit> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Collision_start
2020-08-29 19:21 <JeffKelley> yes, but my script does not receive it
2020-08-29 19:22 <Ubit> [12:22] Object: land_collision
2020-08-29 19:22 <Ubit> taht the reset out
2020-08-29 19:22 <Ubit> take
2020-08-29 19:22 <JeffKelley> eeep
2020-08-29 19:23 <JeffKelley> did you call llVolumeDetect ?
2020-08-29 19:23 <Ubit> that disables land collisions
2020-08-29 19:23 <Ubit> rtfm :p
2020-08-29 19:24 <JeffKelley> ok, i'm not seeing any collision/_start/_end, just a spam of land_
2020-08-29 19:25 <Ubit>     land_collision_start(vector pos) {
2020-08-29 19:25 <Ubit>         llOwnerSay ("land_collision");
2020-08-29 19:25 <Ubit>         //llResetScript();
2020-08-29 19:25 <Ubit>     }
2020-08-29 19:26 <Ubit> no vol detected.. that will not work
2020-08-29 19:26 <JeffKelley> done, and i added 3 handlers for the other 3 events
2020-08-29 19:28 <JeffKelley> my bad
2020-08-29 19:28 <Ubit> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlVolumeDetect
2020-08-29 19:28 <Ubit> VolumeDetect
2020-08-29 19:28 <Ubit> When physical they fall through the ground with the risk of going off-world. 
2020-08-29 19:28 <Ubit> collision events are not triggered 
2020-08-29 19:29 <BillBlight> with ubODE you can also use physical with phantom, and they will ONLY impact with the ground ..
2020-08-29 19:29 <JeffKelley> i'm reading an old copy of the LSL reference, land_collision_start is more recebt
2020-08-29 19:29 <Ubit> yr script works with _start and llreset
2020-08-29 19:30 <Ubit> at least on  Yengine
2020-08-29 19:30 <Ubit> ie says one thing
2020-08-29 19:31 <Ubit> ( as i said, with bounce there may be several start and end, of course
2020-08-29 19:32 <JeffKelley> seen that too
2020-08-29 19:33 <JeffKelley> so, land_collision firing constantly while collisioning, land_collision_start firing once (or more for bounces), makes sense, and now Bullet is the deviant physics ?
2020-08-29 19:36 <Ubit> no idea, don't remember what bullet does
2020-08-29 19:36 <osmantis> Bug #8756:04 land_collision fires twice in ubODE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8756 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-29 19:37 <Ubit> Event: land_collision( vector pos ){ ; }
2020-08-29 19:37 <Ubit> 9 
2020-08-29 19:37 <Ubit> Event ID 
2020-08-29 19:37 <Ubit> Triggered in the root when physical object or attached avatar is colliding with land
2020-08-29 19:37 <Ubit> • vector 
2020-08-29 19:37 <Ubit> pos 
2020-08-29 19:37 <Ubit> – 
2020-08-29 19:37 <Ubit> position of collision with the ground 
2020-08-29 19:37 <Ubit> thats the spec :)
2020-08-29 19:38 <Ubit> a big lag generator
2020-08-29 19:38 <Ubit> ( and the prim/prim one )
2020-08-29 19:41 <Ubit> sl does volate the spec.. does stop it after a while..
2020-08-29 19:41 <Ubit> at least now
2020-08-29 19:45 <osmantis> Bug #8756:04 land_collision fires twice in ubODE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8756 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-29 19:46 <osmantis> Bug #8756:04 land_collision fires twice in ubODE 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8756 ): has been CLOSED
2020-08-29 19:47 <JeffKelley> thanks Bill
2020-08-29 23:31 <osmantis> Bug #8757:04 llList2Vector and llList2Rotation fails to typecast the data (only on x-engine, 0.9.2) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8757 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2020-08-30 10:54 <fantasy> hi all
2020-08-30 11:17 <fantasy> Anyone know how i can see weight map image of mash imported or retrive this?
2020-08-30 15:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #7196 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-08-30 15:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7196: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7196/
2020-08-30 15:12 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: a few changes on HGinventoryBroker p+lus cosmetics
2020-08-30 15:12 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: chnage the expire cache on remotegriduser service connector
2020-08-30 15:12 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: cosmetics
2020-08-30 19:44 <osmantis> Bug #8757:04 llList2Vector and llList2Rotation fails to typecast the data (only on x-engine, 0.9.2) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8757 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-30 20:48 <osmantis> Bug #8757:04 llList2Vector and llList2Rotation fails to typecast the data (only on x-engine, 0.9.2) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8757 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-08-30 23:00 <osmantis> Bug #8757:04 llList2Vector and llList2Rotation fails to typecast the data (only on x-engine, 0.9.2) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8757 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-31 11:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #7197 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-31 11:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7197: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7197/
2020-08-31 11:41 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: EEP Defaults
2020-08-31 11:41 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: a few changes to last patch
2020-08-31 12:17 <osmantis> Bug #8754:04 EEP needlessly creates duplicate default assets 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8754 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-31 13:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #7198 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-31 13:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7198: SUCCESS in 4 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7198/
2020-08-31 13:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: replace heavy Enum.HasFlag crap
2020-08-31 13:25 <Ubit> gezz JIT does compact those ifs a lot
2020-08-31 13:26 <Ubit> makes them a TEST asm instruction on intel x64
2020-08-31 13:26 <Ubit> clever jit
2020-08-31 13:27 <Ubit> well on that.. stupid on others :)
2020-08-31 14:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #7199 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-31 14:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7199: SUCCESS in 4 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7199/
2020-08-31 14:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: wt*  remove osSetStateEvents, any script using it must just DIE
2020-08-31 15:06 <osmantis> Bug #8759:04 commit 4b91a93389 2020-08-28 23:41:34 +0100 blocks all sim's registering with Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8759 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-31 16:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #7200 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-31 16:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7200: SUCCESS in 4 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7200/
2020-08-31 16:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Xengine: change allocation of executor events mask map
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2020-08-31 17:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #7201 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-08-31 17:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7201: SUCCESS in 4 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7201/
2020-08-31 17:50 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Xengine: cosmetics
2020-08-31 17:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Yengine: avoid use of Enum.Parse
2020-08-31 21:12 <osmantis> Bug #8759:04 commit 4b91a93389 2020-08-28 23:41:34 +0100 blocks all sim's registering with Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8759 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-08-31 23:07 <osmantis> Bug #8759:04 commit 4b91a93389 2020-08-28 23:41:34 +0100 blocks all sim's registering with Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8759 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-01 17:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #7202 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-01 17:30 <osmantis> Bug #8760:04 llSetTextureAnimation corrupts settings on some faces 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8760 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-09-01 17:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7202: SUCCESS in 5 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7202/
2020-09-01 17:31 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix permissions checks on some crossings
2020-09-01 17:31 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: cosmetics
2020-09-01 17:48 <osmantis> Bug #8760:04 llSetTextureAnimation corrupts settings on some faces 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-01 17:57 <BillBlight> Meow Meeting Meow ...
2020-09-01 18:19 <osmantis> Bug #8760:04 llSetTextureAnimation corrupts settings on some faces 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-01 18:19 <osmantis> Bug #8760:04 llSetTextureAnimation corrupts settings on some faces 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8760 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-09-01 18:37 <osmantis> Bug #8760:04 llSetTextureAnimation corrupts settings on some faces 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8760 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-01 18:39 <osmantis> Bug #8760:04 llSetTextureAnimation corrupts settings on some faces 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8760 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-09-01 18:50 <osmantis> Bug #8634:04 Request a method to set the position of an avatar when standing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8634 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-09-01 19:23 <BillBlight> Pretty bold to want to be part of the group and at the same time give us a link to where you are talking shit about us ..
2020-09-01 20:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #7203 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-01 20:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7203: SUCCESS in 4 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7203/
2020-09-01 20:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ok it is  GetLandObjectClippedXY
2020-09-01 21:36 <osmantis> Bug #8759:04 commit 4b91a93389 2020-08-28 23:41:34 +0100 blocks all sim's registering with Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8759 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-01 21:37 <osmantis> Bug #8759:04 commit 4b91a93389 2020-08-28 23:41:34 +0100 blocks all sim's registering with Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8759 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-01 21:39 <osmantis> Bug #8759:04 commit 4b91a93389 2020-08-28 23:41:34 +0100 blocks all sim's registering with Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8759 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-01 21:46 <osmantis> Bug #8759:04 commit 4b91a93389 2020-08-28 23:41:34 +0100 blocks all sim's registering with Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8759 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-01 22:35 <osmantis> Bug #8759:04 commit 4b91a93389 2020-08-28 23:41:34 +0100 blocks all sim's registering with Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8759 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-01 23:12 <osmantis> Bug #8759:04 commit 4b91a93389 2020-08-28 23:41:34 +0100 blocks all sim's registering with Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8759 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-02 14:59 <osmantis> Bug #8759:04 commit 4b91a93389 2020-08-28 23:41:34 +0100 blocks all sim's registering with Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8759 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-02 15:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #7204 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-02 15:43 <osmantis> Bug #8757:04 llList2Vector and llList2Rotation fails to typecast the data (only on x-engine, 0.9.2) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8757 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-02 15:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7204: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7204/
2020-09-02 15:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8757: LSL casting plague
2020-09-02 16:35 <osmantis> Bug #8759:04 commit 4b91a93389 2020-08-28 23:41:34 +0100 blocks all sim's registering with Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8759 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-02 16:36 <Tampa> nixnerd runs into issues where there normally can't be any it seems, starting to wonder if it is something on the system messing with encoding or something
2020-09-02 16:37 <Tampa> Odd edge cases perhaps who knows
2020-09-02 16:37 <Tampa> Never seen a grid registration failure that I didn't cause myself yet
2020-09-02 16:47 <osmantis> Bug #8759:04 commit 4b91a93389 2020-08-28 23:41:34 +0100 blocks all sim's registering with Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8759 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-02 19:45 <osmantis> Bug #8721:04 Using either opensim 0.9.1.1 stable or stable source and compiling V2 groups tables are not created 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8721 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-09-03 02:25 <osmantis> Bug #8761:04 16X16 region maptiles in Warp3d split the map into two triangles. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8761 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-09-03 02:32 <osmantis> Bug #8761:04 16X16 region maptiles in Warp3d split the map into two triangles. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8761 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-09-03 05:45 <osmantis> Bug #8761:04 16X16 region maptiles in Warp3d split the map into two triangles. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8761 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-03 06:38 <osmantis> Bug #8761:04 16X16 region maptiles in Warp3d split the map into two triangles. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8761 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-03 06:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #7205 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-03 06:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7205: SUCCESS in 5 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7205/
2020-09-03 06:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8767: update warp3d.dll
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2020-09-03 12:32 <Tampa> Where'd that warp3d dll come from?
2020-09-03 17:01 <djphil> Tampa  > > > maybee Warp3DImageModule.cs  ... no ?
2020-09-03 17:35 <Ubit> no
2020-09-03 17:36 <djphil> it would have been too good
2020-09-03 17:56 <Ubit> yeah good for what?
2020-09-03 17:58 <djphil> I meant, "I can't win every time"
2020-09-03 18:00 <BillBlight> no , it's part of opensim-libs ... That repo has not been updated in a while ... :P
2020-09-03 18:32 <Ubit> it also had no changes for a while :p
2020-09-04 13:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #7206 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-04 13:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7206: SUCCESS in 5 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7206/
2020-09-04 13:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let scriptEvents flags represent all events we have (so change to 64bit ulong) not the need to keep duplicated definitions on main framework and each script engine, namely because Xengine app domain option
2020-09-04 14:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #7207 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-04 14:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7207: SUCCESS in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7207/
2020-09-04 14:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: filter some changed events at trigger point
2020-09-04 15:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #7208 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-04 15:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7208: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7208/
2020-09-04 15:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few changes on collision events
2020-09-04 16:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #7209 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-04 16:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7209: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7209/
2020-09-04 16:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: on sp its rootprim events mask..
2020-09-05 02:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #7210 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-05 02:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7210: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7210/
2020-09-05 02:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few changes on sp collision events
2020-09-05 12:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #7211 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-05 12:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7211: SUCCESS in 4 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7211/
2020-09-05 12:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few changes on sop collision events
2020-09-05 15:18 <osmantis> Bug #8759:04 commit 4b91a93389 2020-08-28 23:41:34 +0100 blocks all sim's registering with Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8759 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-05 15:18 <osmantis> Bug #8759:04 commit 4b91a93389 2020-08-28 23:41:34 +0100 blocks all sim's registering with Robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8759 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-09-05 15:36 <osmantis> Bug #8762:04 0.9.2.0 release   http-in (http_request event) not working correctly. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8762 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-09-05 15:44 <osmantis> Bug #8762:04 0.9.2.0 release   http-in (http_request event) not working correctly. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8762 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-05 16:37 <osmantis> Bug #8762:04 0.9.2.0 dev master  http-in (http_request event) not working correctly. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8762 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-09-05 18:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #7212 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-05 18:13 <osmantis> Bug #8762:04 0.9.2.0 dev master  http-in (http_request event) not working correctly. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8762 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-05 18:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7212: SUCCESS in 4 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7212/
2020-09-05 18:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8762: let it be less broken
2020-09-05 19:46 <osmantis> Bug #8763:04 after update to commit ec54942719 no dots shown on map 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8763 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-09-05 19:58 <osmantis> Bug #8763:04 after update to commit ec54942719 no dots shown on map 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8763 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-05 20:08 <osmantis> Bug #8763:04 after update to commit ec54942719 no dots shown on map 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8763 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-09-05 20:12 <Tampa> facedesk
2020-09-05 20:12 <Ubit> poor desk
2020-09-05 20:13 <Tampa> One of those "if it doesn't work it has to be a bug, I surely cannot be the cause of the problem" kinda people
2020-09-05 20:14 <Ubit> i may had increase the caching time a bit on that
2020-09-05 20:14 <Ubit> don't remember :)
2020-09-05 20:15 <Tampa> It also takes a few minutes for new maptiles to show big whoop, people are so needy for instant gratification
2020-09-06 06:12 <osmantis> Bug #8762:04 0.9.2.0 dev master  http-in (http_request event) not working correctly. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8762 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-06 06:21 <osmantis> Bug #8762:04 0.9.2.0 dev master  http-in (http_request event) not working correctly. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8762 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-06 14:39 <steevithak> is opensimulator.org down? Can't get to the wiki this morning
2020-09-06 14:41 <BillBlight> it seems to go down most sunday's  it will be back up later I'm sure
2020-09-06 14:42 <steevithak> ok, thanks, I'll check it again later
2020-09-06 15:35 <osmantis> Bug #8762:04 0.9.2.0 dev master  http-in (http_request event) not working correctly. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8762 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-06 15:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #7213 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-06 15:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7213: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7213/
2020-09-06 15:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8762: my coffee was broken again
2020-09-06 17:23 <Tampa> sunday and git and wiki are online, what a crazy world
2020-09-06 17:37 <osmantis> Bug #8762:04 0.9.2.0 dev master  http-in (http_request event) not working correctly. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8762 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-06 17:39 <Ubit> err that filed as good or bad?
2020-09-06 17:39 <Ubit> :)
2020-09-06 17:39 <JeffKelley> seems good to me
2020-09-06 17:39 <Ubit> okk ok
2020-09-06 17:42 <JeffKelley> also tested last '/' omitted, i.e. /extra/path?a=foo&b=bar
2020-09-06 17:42 <Ubit> thx
2020-09-06 17:42 <JeffKelley> yw
2020-09-06 17:42 <Ubit> those cases where not good also yes
2020-09-06 17:43 <Ubit> i still give a url with / at end
2020-09-06 17:43 <JeffKelley> no
2020-09-06 17:43 <Ubit> but that is irrelevant
2020-09-06 17:43 <Ubit> i do :)
2020-09-06 17:44 <Ubit> didn't remove in case ppl have things that depend on it already there
2020-09-06 17:44 <JeffKelley> [10:43] MANTIS 8762: path: '/extra/path'
2020-09-06 17:44 <JeffKelley> [10:43] MANTIS 8762: qs: 'a=foo&b=bar'
2020-09-06 17:44 <Ubit> i meant on the url on requesturl
2020-09-06 17:44 <JeffKelley> yes
2020-09-06 17:44 <Ubit> sl does not append that last /
2020-09-06 17:45 <Ubit> we did, so i kept it
2020-09-06 17:45 <JeffKelley> doesn't hurt
2020-09-06 17:45 <Ubit> yeap
2020-09-06 17:45 <Tampa> 1000 commits without adding new warnings in debug, nice!
2020-09-06 17:45 <Ubit> i did add some, but did clean on next commits :)
2020-09-06 17:46 <Ubit> well pragmas do hide some.. but meant to be so
2020-09-06 17:46 <djphil> This is something we love to see :)
2020-09-06 17:47 <Ubit> code analises fires a ton
2020-09-06 17:48 <Tampa> pragma hides over 700 warnings, most of which are unused code and events things
2020-09-06 17:48 <Ubit> to start they all want us to write  if(...) { singleStament; }
2020-09-06 17:48 <Ubit> ( all on each line
2020-09-06 17:48 <Ubit> i hate that
2020-09-06 17:48 <Ubit> always to if(..) singlestament;
2020-09-06 17:48 <Tampa> I think some pragma could be removed, but not sure what it might break
2020-09-06 17:48 <Ubit> but on to lines..  also don't like all on a single like
2020-09-06 17:49 <Ubit> most are about warnings
2020-09-06 17:49 <Ubit> a big one is how we use events
2020-09-06 17:49 <Ubit> some 3000 warnings on that :p
2020-09-06 17:50 <Tampa> No actually in total it is only 700+
2020-09-06 17:50 <Ubit> ms assumes events are for ui
2020-09-06 17:50 <Tampa> I checked removing all the pragma thingies in the code and compiled
2020-09-06 17:50 <Ubit> so wants its argument to be just (source, something )
2020-09-06 17:50 <Tampa> It's not so bad really, the unused code to me is just efficiency, making the exe smaller perhaps
2020-09-06 17:51 <Ubit> i mean code analises tool reports
2020-09-06 17:51 <Ubit> vs has
2020-09-06 17:51 <Tampa> Yeah, well run any code through that and it complains, think it is just to sell consulting contracts or something
2020-09-06 17:51 <Tampa> betcha even default hello world it complains
2020-09-06 17:51 <Ubit> we use the arguments we need, most cases just passing simple values 
2020-09-06 17:52 <Ubit> as any normal multiple delegate
2020-09-06 17:52 <Tampa> There are only a few warnings outside of unused code or events, those I would look at, but most of them are not bad yet
2020-09-06 17:52 <Tampa> Some outdated things mostly
2020-09-06 17:52 <Ubit> but event does hide and protect the set
2020-09-06 17:53 <Ubit> while multidelegates do not
2020-09-06 17:53 <Ubit> so we do need event 
2020-09-06 17:53 <Ubit> that ms thing is pure silly
2020-09-06 17:53 <Ubit> forces creation of new classes on heap for each arguments
2020-09-06 17:53 <Ubit> stupid
2020-09-06 17:53 <Ubit> well or structs
2020-09-06 17:54 <Tampa> One could create a type specifically for this, but the amount of effort that is to implement
2020-09-06 17:54 <Ubit> so those 3000 things will stay :)
2020-09-06 17:54 <Ubit> nahh
2020-09-06 17:54 <Tampa> I looked at some simple construct templates right, those things are a big nope
2020-09-06 17:54 <Ubit> events also have special jit code
2020-09-06 17:55 <Ubit> what one sees on ms source code is not always what actually runs
2020-09-06 17:55 <Ubit> JIT does replace code
2020-09-06 17:55 <Tampa> Yes, it said that you forego any optimization for them when you make your own
2020-09-06 17:55 <Tampa> So might make things slower
2020-09-06 17:55 <Ubit> insane but yeah
2020-09-06 17:56 <Ubit> fun is the SIMD suport on system numeric
2020-09-06 17:56 <Ubit> source as no SIMD at all
2020-09-06 17:56 <Ubit> the function to check if simd is used returns false all the time
2020-09-06 17:57 <Ubit> all that numerics it totally replaced c++ made code by JIT at runtime
2020-09-06 17:58 <Ubit> works but very ugly thing
2020-09-06 17:59 <Ubit> impossible to keep control on the BS ms does now and then
2020-09-06 17:59 <Ubit> and results depend on runtime mode
2020-09-06 17:59 <Ubit> a lot more
2020-09-07 02:01 <osmantis> Bug #8762:04 0.9.2.0 dev master  http-in (http_request event) not working correctly. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8762 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-07 02:05 <osmantis> Bug #8762:04 0.9.2.0 dev master  http-in (http_request event) not working correctly. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8762 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-09-07 14:05 <osmantis> Bug #8764:04 http_response lost when chaining llHTTPRequest 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8764 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-09-07 14:26 <steevithak> Does OpenSimulator JabberBridge still exist? I'm cleaning up orphaned pages in the wiki and found this one: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/JabberBridge
2020-09-07 14:30 <djphil> You raise the dead!
2020-09-07 14:31 <steevithak> :) yes, some of these orphaned pages are very old 
2020-09-07 14:32 <djphil> if needed i have the content of this modules ... i can send it ;)
2020-09-07 14:33 <steevithak> Is it on github maybe? I could just update the link. It links to svn repo that's 404
2020-09-07 14:34 <djphil> os svn is dead from long time .... don't know if is on github but probably no
2020-09-07 14:37 <djphil> I google it but no found ...
2020-09-07 14:38 <steevithak> ok, I'll keep the page but remove the svn link. We can add a new repo link later if needed
2020-09-07 14:41 <djphil> and make jabber great again :p
2020-09-07 14:41 <steevithak> :D
2020-09-07 14:48 <JeffKelley> once upon a time was a viewer with an integrated IRC client and that was fantastic because it solved the chronical hypergrid communication disease
2020-09-07 14:48 <osmantis> Bug #8764:04 http_response lost when chaining llHTTPRequest 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8764 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-09-07 14:51 <JeffKelley> good pick, djphil, i should test for NULL_KEY
2020-09-07 14:54 <JeffKelley> that's it, HTTPRequest has be throttled
2020-09-07 14:54 <djphil> Well I wrote some http script recently and it wasn't really great. I send only 1 request on a json file of +/- 4mb and it crashes very often.
2020-09-07 14:55 <djphil> I have to create an intermediate php API if I want to relieve opensim
2020-09-07 14:56 <JeffKelley> you mean, you really pushed HttpBodyMaxLenMAX to 4megs ?
2020-09-07 14:56 <djphil> yes lol via ini
2020-09-07 14:58 <JeffKelley> i understand body_max to be limited regardless of available memory, throttling the amount of requests is another thing
2020-09-07 14:58 <JeffKelley> that's crippling opensim
2020-09-07 14:59 <djphil> Yes, but I also multiplied the number of requests to avoid requests with a large content. In the 2 case it is not really very satisfactory
2020-09-07 15:01 <osmantis> Bug #8764:04 http_response lost when chaining llHTTPRequest 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8764 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-07 15:03 <djphil> I put the requests in a loop and had to slow down the loop with a bad sleep.
2020-09-07 15:03 <djphil> And I didn't take 1 second like SL wiki says but I have to put 2.0 or 2.5 if I want a lot of continuous requests. If I put less requests are blocked and if I put more it is the loop which is blocked ... in both cases I am blocked ^^
2020-09-07 15:05 <JeffKelley> given hhtp is the most flexible and performant channel to communicate with the outside world, it would be a pity to make it slow
2020-09-07 15:06 <JeffKelley> remember that? http://www.pescadoo.net/tmp/http_sliders.mp4 That's wonderful :)
2020-09-07 15:07 <djphil> ho yes
2020-09-07 15:08 <Melanie_T> what if you call NextQuery twice in touch_start and comment it out in http_response ?
2020-09-07 15:08 <Melanie_T> do you get 1 response or two?
2020-09-07 15:08 <Melanie_T> and if only one, it that predictable or sometimes yes, sometimes not?
2020-09-07 15:11 <JeffKelley> two responses
2020-09-07 15:23 <BillBlight> putting a 1 second sleep in the beginning of nextquery seems to make it work fine, at least on yEngine
2020-09-07 15:24 <Ubit> think thats a thing called Throttle :p
2020-09-07 15:26 <djphil> I did on XEngine
2020-09-07 15:27 <BillBlight> XEngine, is that still a thing .... :P
2020-09-07 15:28 <Ubit> [08:28] Object: HTTP 200, 0 bytes
2020-09-07 15:28 <Ubit> [08:28] Object: HTTP 200, 0 bytes
2020-09-07 15:28 <Ubit> [08:28] Object: HTTP 200, 0 bytes
2020-09-07 15:28 <Ubit> [08:28] Object: HTTP 200, 0 bytes
2020-09-07 15:28 <Ubit> [08:28] Object: HTTP 200, 0 bytes
2020-09-07 15:28 <Ubit> [08:28] Object: thottled
2020-09-07 15:28 <BillBlight> :P
2020-09-07 15:28 <Ubit> [08:28] Object: thottled
2020-09-07 15:28 <Ubit> [08:28] Object:  TIMEOUT, RETRYING
2020-09-07 15:28 <Ubit> [08:28] Object: HTTP 200, 0 bytes
2020-09-07 15:28 <Ubit> [08:28] Object: HTTP 200, 0 bytes
2020-09-07 15:28 <Ubit> [08:28] Object: HTTP 200, 0 bytes
2020-09-07 15:28 <Ubit> [08:28] Object: HTTP 200, 0 bytes
2020-09-07 15:28 <Ubit> [08:28] Object: HTTP 200, 0 bytes
2020-09-07 15:28 <Ubit> [08:28] Object: thottled
2020-09-07 15:28 <Ubit> see ?
2020-09-07 15:29 <Ubit> ohh there on mantis already :)
2020-09-07 15:32 <osmantis> Bug #8764:04 http_response lost when chaining llHTTPRequest 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8764 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-07 15:32 <BillBlight> a .75 second sleep also allows it to run uninterrupted ... (avoids the throttle)
2020-09-07 15:32 <osmantis> Bug #8764:04 http_response lost when chaining llHTTPRequest 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8764 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-07 15:33 <osmantis> Bug #8765:04 Please, provide a mechanism to disable llHTTPRequest throttle by configuration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8765 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-09-07 15:33 <Melanie_T> isn't that throttle a bit tight then?
2020-09-07 15:33 <Melanie_T> and IIRC, if a http call is throttled, there should be a NULL_KEY returned
2020-09-07 15:33 <Ubit> guess more tolerant than the "others"
2020-09-07 15:33 <Ubit> :)
2020-09-07 15:34 <Ubit> but not same method
2020-09-07 15:34 <Melanie_T> LL have removed a shitload of restrictions from http after the introduction phase
2020-09-07 15:34 <Ubit> all there, possible worse
2020-09-07 15:34 <Ubit> they understand things that can bring a server to its knees
2020-09-07 15:35 <Ubit> thats one
2020-09-07 15:35 <Melanie_T> they have a quota oer prim and per land area but other prims can "borrow" unused quota
2020-09-07 15:35 <Melanie_T> so if you have only one prim in a sim and own all the land, your http is effectively unrestricted
2020-09-07 15:35 <Ubit> no, its by prim and by owner
2020-09-07 15:35 <Melanie_T> i know our throttle is simpler
2020-09-07 15:36 <Ubit> not by land
2020-09-07 15:36 <Melanie_T> thought it was also by land
2020-09-07 15:36 <Melanie_T> but may have changed
2020-09-07 15:36 <Ubit> other things are
2020-09-07 15:36 <BillBlight> if a .75 second delay is enough to avoid the throttle, seems to me if you need more requests "per second" than that, you need to rethink your script
2020-09-07 15:36 <Ubit> only thing simpler is math
2020-09-07 15:37 <Ubit> but well i don't remember.. will need check the code :)
2020-09-07 15:37 <Ubit> but thats the dif relative to older versions of opensim, throttles are there
2020-09-07 15:38 <Ubit> sure values are always questionable
2020-09-07 15:38 <Ubit> think i did detail our th somewhere when i did add it .. guess on the commits
2020-09-07 15:38 <Ubit> :)
2020-09-07 15:39 <JeffKelley> can somebody make me the favor to close #8764? It is not a bug, I opened 8765 for a feature request
2020-09-07 15:39 <Ubit> ll says "The current limits are 25 requests in 20 seconds for each object, and 1000 in 20 seconds for each owner. These may change in the future if needed to prevent problems in regions."
2020-09-07 15:39 <BillBlight> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=cd5a6daa84a153fdc3dc7cc3a65363b36d441b34
2020-09-07 15:40 <BillBlight> "also throttle llhttprequest by owner, options: PrimOwnerRequestsBurst = 5, PrimOwnerRequestsPerSec = 25; increase concurrency to 8"
2020-09-07 15:40 <Ubit> "Once reached, the throttles will remain in effect as long as requests continue, but will clear if there is a silent period with no requests at least twice the throttle interval, in this case 2 * 20 or 40 seconds."
2020-09-07 15:40 <Ubit> ahh i did said things abot it, ty bill
2020-09-07 15:42 <osmantis> Bug #8764:04 http_response lost when chaining llHTTPRequest 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8764 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-09-07 15:42 <Ubit> ohh my coffee may had been broken then.. i made those config options
2020-09-07 15:42 <Ubit> :)
2020-09-07 15:42 <Ubit>    m_primBurst = httpConfig.GetFloat("PrimRequestsBurst", m_primBurst);
2020-09-07 15:42 <Ubit>                 m_primPerSec = httpConfig.GetFloat("PrimRequestsPerSec", m_primPerSec);
2020-09-07 15:42 <Ubit>                 m_primOwnerBurst = httpConfig.GetFloat("PrimOwnerRequestsBurst", m_primOwnerBurst);
2020-09-07 15:42 <Ubit>                 m_primOwnerPerSec = httpConfig.GetFloat("PrimOwnerRequestsPerSec", m_primOwnerPerSec);
2020-09-07 15:42 <Ubit>                 m_httpTimeout = httpConfig.GetInt("RequestsTimeOut", m_httpTimeout);
2020-09-07 15:43 <djphil> tank's for PrimOwnerRequestsBurst etc ... I discover :)
2020-09-07 15:44 <BillBlight> did you ever add those to the INIs
2020-09-07 15:44 <Ubit> came on coffee never that broken
2020-09-07 15:44 <djphil> No, precisely I discover them
2020-09-07 15:44 <Ubit> i did add?
2020-09-07 15:45 <djphil> yes on ScriptsHttpRequestModule
2020-09-07 15:46 <Ubit> ty
2020-09-07 15:46 <djphil> yeah ty too
2020-09-07 15:48 <osmantis> Bug #8764:04 http_response lost when chaining llHTTPRequest 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8764 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-07 15:49 <osmantis> Bug #8765:04 Please, provide a mechanism to disable llHTTPRequest throttle by configuration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8765 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-07 15:49 <Ubit> :)
2020-09-07 15:55 <Ubit> jeffk pushing that 2 hard, may impact badly on the rest of region comms
2020-09-07 15:56 <JeffKelley> testing
2020-09-07 15:57 <BillBlight> Yeah Ubit, you can't protect people from themselves, they'll just break it and blame the code ..
2020-09-07 15:58 <Ubit> yeah
2020-09-07 15:59 <JeffKelley> solve my issue. You, guys are fantastic
2020-09-07 15:59 <JeffKelley> (and girls too)
2020-09-07 15:59 <Ubit> yes we are
2020-09-07 15:59 <Ubit> oops
2020-09-07 15:59 <Ubit> ;)
2020-09-07 16:01 <osmantis> Bug #8765:04 Please, provide a mechanism to disable llHTTPRequest throttle by configuration 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8765 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-09-07 16:37 <Ubit> gezz 4 fires all around
2020-09-07 16:38 <Ubit> firefighters using the trucks as racing cars in middle of a town
2020-09-07 16:38 <Ubit> same absurd
2020-09-07 17:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #7214 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-07 17:09 <Ubit> ohh typos on almost each word 
2020-09-07 17:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7214: SUCCESS in 5 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7214/
2020-09-07 17:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: try reduce number of this webrequest will keep alive anf gc will possible forget to release. this higher numbers should be only relative to robuts, generic connectiosn should have a lot less. But hard to control on current code
2020-09-07 17:30 <Melanie_T> Ubit: Are you aware what that limit actually does?
2020-09-07 17:30 <Melanie_T> it's not for overall connections
2020-09-07 17:30 <Melanie_T> it's for the number of simultaneous connections to any single endpoint
2020-09-07 17:31 <Melanie_T> reducing it will cause busy sims to fail to read assets and slow viewer communications
2020-09-07 17:31 <Ubit> no
2020-09-07 17:31 <Ubit> wrong
2020-09-07 17:31 <Melanie_T> the sim needs to be able to do these 64 connections (simultanous) to the asset server
2020-09-07 17:32 <Ubit> not it does not
2020-09-07 17:32 <Melanie_T> i didn't only put that code in there in opensim, i put in the underlying fix in mono
2020-09-07 17:32 <Melanie_T> io know that code very well
2020-09-07 17:32 <Ubit> and 64 was my test
2020-09-07 17:32 <Melanie_T> it's the only patch i ever submitted to mono
2020-09-07 17:32 <Ubit> original was 32 on win, 12 on mono
2020-09-07 17:32 <Melanie_T> took months to be accepted, too
2020-09-07 17:32 <Melanie_T> yes but it is still per endpoint
2020-09-07 17:32 <Melanie_T> and in avn we had it higher i believe
2020-09-07 17:32 <Melanie_T> because speed
2020-09-07 17:33 <Ubit> and is service endpoints, only used on some connections like webrequests
2020-09-07 17:33 <Melanie_T> any http(s) connection is affected by it
2020-09-07 17:33 <Ubit> no
2020-09-07 17:34 <Melanie_T> yes. read the source.
2020-09-07 17:34 <Ubit> the things on webrequests
2020-09-07 17:34 <Ubit> not our httpserver for example
2020-09-07 17:34 <Melanie_T> the limit isn't used inbound
2020-09-07 17:34 <Melanie_T> but every outgoing connection
2020-09-07 17:35 <Melanie_T> that is in the underlying .net code
2020-09-07 17:35 <Ubit> webrequests ones
2020-09-07 17:35 <Melanie_T> not just WebRequest. also BeginHttpRequest, etc
2020-09-07 17:35 <Melanie_T> everything that .net believes to be http in some form and that is outgoing
2020-09-07 17:35 <Ubit> duhh that is webrequest things
2020-09-07 17:35 <Melanie_T> asset fetches are webrequests.....
2020-09-07 17:36 <Melanie_T> so that number limits asset server connections
2020-09-07 17:36 <Melanie_T> and connections to authentication, user, etc...
2020-09-07 17:36 <Ubit> yes, and we limit number of concurrent conns on it
2020-09-07 17:36 <Ubit> as i said, robust needs a high number
2020-09-07 17:37 <Melanie_T> the main point is that changing that does not effectively mitigate httprequest flooting from lsl
2020-09-07 17:37 <Ubit> so i placed it back to the number we had before
2020-09-07 17:37 <Melanie_T> because it limits the number of simultaneous connections to a single host. not the overall number of open connections
2020-09-07 17:37 <Ubit> this as nothing to do with just lsl
2020-09-07 17:37 <Ubit> its global
2020-09-07 17:37 <Melanie_T> i know
2020-09-07 17:38 <Melanie_T> what i am saying is that in most grid cases, connections to robust are connections to the same address for everything
2020-09-07 17:38 <Ubit> and it is not actually a limit
2020-09-07 17:38 <Ubit> that is other variable
2020-09-07 17:38 <Melanie_T> so this limits the number of simultaneous connections a sim can have to robust
2020-09-07 17:38 <Ubit> not exactly
2020-09-07 17:38 <Melanie_T> it is a limit. when i did the mono patch, i wrote some test programs
2020-09-07 17:39 <Melanie_T> the connection attempts don't fail
2020-09-07 17:39 <Melanie_T> but they're held up
2020-09-07 17:39 <Ubit> yes they will
2020-09-07 17:39 <Ubit> as i said i just went back to 32
2020-09-07 17:39 <Melanie_T> one of the programs i wrote tried to do 50 connections to a host
2020-09-07 17:39 <Ubit> bc on current code that is aplied to ALL connections
2020-09-07 17:39 <Melanie_T> and the host had a sleep 1 in the php
2020-09-07 17:39 <Ubit> evne ones that should have the default of 2
2020-09-07 17:40 <Melanie_T> and you could see that every time a connection close danother would open
2020-09-07 17:40 <Melanie_T> always allowing only 2 (which is the default)
2020-09-07 17:40 <Ubit> robust does need more than 2 by far yes
2020-09-07 17:41 <Melanie_T> you're effectively limiting the number of simultaneous requests from one sim to robust to 32
2020-09-07 17:41 <Melanie_T> that affects texture rez 
2020-09-07 17:41 <Ubit> yes and?
2020-09-07 17:41 <Melanie_T> it means things stay grey longer
2020-09-07 17:41 <Ubit> no
2020-09-07 17:41 <Ubit> thos have a lot more limited concurrency already
2020-09-07 17:42 <Ubit> the reminds me osgrid assets service..
2020-09-07 17:42 <Melanie_T> right
2020-09-07 17:43 <Melanie_T> i need to schedule that downtime..
2020-09-07 17:43 <Ubit> ok
2020-09-07 17:43 <Melanie_T> i hate that the database link is so brittle
2020-09-07 17:43 <Ubit> well i thing 32 is ok, had been for ages
2020-09-07 17:43 <Ubit> the 64 was a test i made
2020-09-07 17:44 <Melanie_T> i believe it was higher in AVN
2020-09-07 17:44 <Ubit> ( mono has 12.. no idea why.. guess old limitations )
2020-09-07 17:44 <Ubit> had..
2020-09-07 17:44 <Melanie_T> and also we started mono with max threads per cpu = 70
2020-09-07 17:44 <Ubit> without cores to backit up :p
2020-09-07 17:45 <Ubit> well a lot changed around all that on mono and .net
2020-09-07 17:46 <Ubit> ms added code to try to prevent ppl from using stupid amount of threads
2020-09-07 17:47 <Ubit> well thing is that those service points are resoures eaters
2020-09-07 17:47 <Ubit> both opened sockets and memory
2020-09-07 17:48 <Ubit> GC will happly allocated mem for them.. and .. release.. one day, if ever
2020-09-07 17:48 <Ubit> hte longer they live, the worse
2020-09-07 17:49 <Ubit> that is -net/mono intrinsic memory leak ( that thay say its a feature )
2020-09-07 17:51 <Melanie_T> i found that some resources take > 10 minutes to get released
2020-09-07 17:52 <Ubit> that is when region is calm
2020-09-07 17:52 <Ubit> gc decisions are.. well something
2020-09-07 17:52 <Ubit> if busy it pospones
2020-09-07 17:53 <Ubit> then forgets, it seems
2020-09-07 17:53 <Ubit> fact is that lbsa did hit 20GB for no reason at all
2020-09-07 17:53 <Ubit> some days ago
2020-09-07 17:53 <Ubit> ( not this alone )
2020-09-07 17:54 <Ubit> last run did hit 4GB
2020-09-07 17:55 <Ubit> also no reason.. just fun GC
2020-09-07 17:55 <Ubit> a lot of it, due to fancy .net things
2020-09-07 17:56 <Ubit> like webrequests, linq etc etc
2020-09-07 17:56 <Ubit> action with static references..
2020-09-07 17:56 <Ubit> well fun crap
2020-09-07 17:57 <Ubit> damm ms devs seem to have minds stuck on android now
2020-09-07 17:58 <Ubit> guess they know, that no one will use c# on a serius server side app
2020-09-07 18:43 <Tampa> Think I have never seen a gc that works well, not even linux has a good one
2020-09-07 18:43 <Tampa> so much cached memory
2020-09-07 19:03 <Ubit> yeah
2020-09-07 19:03 <Ubit> its goals is really a almost impossible thing
2020-09-07 19:04 <Ubit> even normal C etc mempry control has issues
2020-09-07 19:04 <Ubit> fragmentation etc
2020-09-07 19:04 <Ubit> and on those programmers can call FREE
2020-09-07 19:05 <Ubit> damm religion why there is not FREE
2020-09-07 19:05 <Ubit> at least to place things or a clear and simple free queue
2020-09-07 19:05 <Ubit> some thing that doing blabla = null does it
2020-09-07 19:06 <Ubit> think
2020-09-07 19:06 <Ubit> well it does seem to help
2020-09-07 19:06 <Ubit> in fast ms now tells to do that disposing unmanaged resources
2020-09-07 19:07 <Ubit> pattern is noe
2020-09-07 19:07 <Ubit> blabla.Dispose()
2020-09-07 19:07 <Ubit> blabla = null
2020-09-07 19:08 <Ubit> but even in C world.. several malloc libraries out there, each with strenghs and weekness
2020-09-07 19:09 <Ubit> but gc is worse than all those by far 
2020-09-07 19:10 <Ubit> and the blogs about that.. guess  all old android minds..  "slit all your arrays into 64k bytes ones.."
2020-09-07 19:10 <Ubit> o machines with 1TB ram.. gezz
2020-09-07 19:11 <Ubit> ( and each such little array is another reference gc needs to keep looking.. )
2020-09-07 19:12 <Ubit> others, just don't use gc
2020-09-07 19:12 <Ubit> even a lib out there that allows  a large byte array
2020-09-07 19:12 <Ubit> and does tradicional alloc/free on it
2020-09-07 19:13 <Ubit> each object fetch from it is a full copy and casting.. insane
2020-09-07 19:13 <Ubit> tons of broken coffee outthere
2020-09-07 19:13 <Tampa> If I don't drop caches eventually mono goes "no more free memory" instead of oh I don't know "hey kernel gimme RAM"
2020-09-07 19:14 <Ubit> gc assumes ram is cheap
2020-09-07 19:14 <Ubit> it will not release any
2020-09-07 19:14 <Tampa> Especially stupid cause NVMe disk is fast enough no need for caching in memory really
2020-09-07 19:14 <Ubit> unless sees big pressure to do it
2020-09-07 19:14 <Ubit> ohh the os has disk cache
2020-09-07 19:15 <Tampa> but linux itself can be stupid too, filling up /boot with kernels you never use
2020-09-07 19:15 <Ubit> nvm is slow :p
2020-09-07 19:15 <Ubit> both win and linux use free memory as disk cache
2020-09-07 19:15 <Tampa> Instead of "oh hey this won't fit in there better not do that"
2020-09-07 19:16 <Tampa> Like how hard is "if /boot at 80% dont install kernel"
2020-09-07 19:16 <Tampa> Don't even get me started on netplan omg
2020-09-07 19:16 <Ubit> seen some mono gc drive a app deep into swapping with tons of memory to release
2020-09-07 19:17 <Tampa> Or how ubuntu cannot fathom the concept of updating packages so you have to install things from ppa if you want bugfixes or compile source
2020-09-07 19:18 <Tampa> Life could be easy if more people thought from here around the next corner rather than staring at their feet all day
2020-09-07 19:21 <Ubit> my feet are pretty
2020-09-07 19:21 <Ubit> well for me at least
2020-09-07 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #8761:04 16X16 region maptiles in Warp3d split the map into two triangles. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8761 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-07 21:12 <osmantis> Bug #8761:04 16X16 region maptiles in Warp3d split the map into two triangles. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8761 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-09-07 22:13 <osmantis> Bug #8766:04 Creators names incorrect on all rezzed assets on sim - OpenSim 0.9.2.0 Yeti Dev   ec54942719 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8766 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-09-07 23:16 <osmantis> Bug #8767:04 0.9.2.0 dev master (updated). Sims won't start up when restarted after update. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8767 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-09-07 23:19 <osmantis> Bug #8767:04 0.9.2.0 dev master (updated). Sims won't start up when restarted after update. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8767 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-09-07 23:35 <osmantis> Bug #8767:04 0.9.2.0 dev master (updated). Sims won't start up when restarted after update. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8767 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-07 23:36 <osmantis> Bug #8766:04 Creators names incorrect on all rezzed assets on sim - OpenSim 0.9.2.0 Yeti Dev   ec54942719 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8766 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-07 23:49 <osmantis> Bug #8767:04 0.9.2.0 dev master (updated). Sims won't start up when restarted after update. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8767 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-08 00:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #7215 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-08 00:04 <osmantis> Bug #8766:04 Creators names incorrect on all rezzed assets on sim - OpenSim 0.9.2.0 Yeti Dev   ec54942719 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8766 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-08 00:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7215: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7215/
2020-09-08 00:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8766: fix creators names caching
2020-09-08 00:09 <osmantis> Bug #8768:04 0.9.1.* and 0.9.2.0 llList2Json() fails when passed an empty string value 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8768 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-09-08 00:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #7216 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-08 00:32 <osmantis> Bug #8768:04 0.9.1.* and 0.9.2.0 llList2Json() fails when passed an empty string value 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8768 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-08 00:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7216: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7216/
2020-09-08 00:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8768: fix the empty string case; do the llpasscollions 1 as true, others false; cosmetics
2020-09-08 01:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #7217 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-08 01:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7217: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7217/
2020-09-08 01:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change ipban module
2020-09-08 01:34 <osmantis> Bug #8758:04 llList2Json is incorrectly handling empty strings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8758 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-08 02:13 <osmantis> Bug #8767:04 0.9.2.0 dev master (updated). Sims won't start up when restarted after update. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8767 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-08 02:29 <osmantis> Bug #8768:04 0.9.1.* and 0.9.2.0 llList2Json() fails when passed an empty string value 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8768 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-09-08 03:05 <osmantis> Bug #8767:04 0.9.2.0 dev master (updated). Sims won't start up when restarted after update. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8767 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-09-08 07:01 <osmantis> Bug #8738:04 Add companion osSetParcelMusicURL to osSetParcelMediaURL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8738 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-09-08 07:36 <djphil> It's amazing, the mouse scroll no longer works on the log console.
2020-09-08 07:50 <djphil> Sorry that's wrong, it works fine again ... strange
2020-09-08 07:58 <osmantis> Bug #8369:04 [PATCH] llRequestUserKey not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8369 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2020-09-08 07:58 <osmantis> Bug #8369:04 [PATCH] llRequestUserKey not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8369 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2020-09-08 10:31 <osmantis> Bug #8769:04 Constant not expanded in Include- directive 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8769 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-09-08 14:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #7218 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-08 14:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7218: SUCCESS in 5 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7218/
2020-09-08 14:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: waste some memory on serialized environment caching. we could live without all that locking
2020-09-08 15:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #7219 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-08 15:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7219: SUCCESS in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7219/
2020-09-08 15:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove warning abox xassetservice obsolete, it maybe but fsaasets is not necessary the recomended replacement
2020-09-08 15:32 <Melanie_T> Ubit: you do know why that notice is there, right?
2020-09-08 15:32 <Melanie_T> t's because people have had massive pain to migrate after the fact when the mysql table was not working anymore due to size
2020-09-08 15:33 <Ubit> you mean was..
2020-09-08 15:33 <Ubit> ;)
2020-09-08 15:33 <Melanie_T> what should be there is a warning that that module isn't suitable for large asset databases
2020-09-08 15:33 <Melanie_T> it's fine for standalones or mom & pop grids
2020-09-08 15:33 <Melanie_T> but dies on anything larger
2020-09-08 15:34 <Melanie_T> that being said - i don't remember the warning.... i guess i didn't put it there
2020-09-08 15:35 <Ubit> no idea
2020-09-08 15:35 <Ubit> just noticed it browsing
2020-09-08 15:35 <Melanie_T> it just makes sense to have something there
2020-09-08 15:35 <Melanie_T> less severe, but people should be aware that it's only good for smallish grids and standalones
2020-09-08 15:35 <Melanie_T> and that after the fact migration is hard
2020-09-08 15:39 <Ubit> fs does it.. slowly
2020-09-08 15:39 <Ubit> just fs is a deadend
2020-09-08 15:39 <Ubit> well bc others don't have upgrade path
2020-09-08 15:40 <Ubit> and fs is not for noobs
2020-09-08 15:40 <Ubit> the backup myslq and forget all the files
2020-09-08 15:40 <Ubit> so NO that is not a warning to have only for any noob to see
2020-09-08 15:40 <Ubit> to have online..
2020-09-08 15:41 <Ubit> when the noob may be just fine with X
2020-09-08 15:41 <Melanie_T> i didn't say to tell them  to use fs
2020-09-08 15:41 <Ubit> well the warning kinda did :)
2020-09-08 15:42 <Melanie_T> i said to warnt hat that asset service is not suited to larger grids
2020-09-08 15:42 <Ubit> that info should be on wiki
2020-09-08 15:42 <Melanie_T> then they can do the legwork of learning what may be better
2020-09-08 15:42 <Ubit> pros and cons of each service option
2020-09-08 15:42 <Melanie_T> not sure if tht is sufficient
2020-09-08 16:03 <Ubit> we should have cache frontends for most the services
2020-09-08 16:03 <Ubit> service side caches
2020-09-08 16:03 <Ubit> in memory caching :p
2020-09-08 16:04 <Ubit> guess need to be c++ things..  .net memory caching is a crap
2020-09-08 16:04 <Ubit> well a normal web cache should kinda work
2020-09-08 16:04 <Melanie_T> what do you want to cache?
2020-09-08 16:05 <Ubit> last used assets.. online presences all that crap hitting mysql for no reason
2020-09-08 16:05 <Ubit> user info
2020-09-08 16:05 <Ubit> all that
2020-09-08 16:06 <Ubit> the GET things, of course
2020-09-08 16:06 <Melanie_T> i doubt there is much value in that as a web cache
2020-09-08 16:06 <Ubit> huge
2020-09-08 16:06 <Melanie_T> a mem cache in the robust service, sure
2020-09-08 16:06 <Ubit> see mesh avatar teleports
2020-09-08 16:06 <Melanie_T> because that can be invalidated
2020-09-08 16:06 <Melanie_T> but an inline web cache seems like it would delay propagation of information
2020-09-08 16:07 <Ubit> assets are (almost)imutable remember
2020-09-08 16:07 <Ubit> cache is always that
2020-09-08 16:07 <Melanie_T> yes. for assets it makes sense
2020-09-08 16:07 <Ubit> fast on hits.. penalty on fails
2020-09-08 16:07 <Ubit> but see the avatars teleports
2020-09-08 16:07 <Ubit> tons of meshes...
2020-09-08 16:08 <Ubit> all not on regions caches
2020-09-08 16:08 <Ubit> bc ppl change them all the time 
2020-09-08 16:08 <Melanie_T> well, in avn we mitigated by having the region cache shared to all sims on one server
2020-09-08 16:08 <Ubit> damm fashion :p
2020-09-08 16:08 <Melanie_T> so any tp to another sim on the same server would hit the local cache
2020-09-08 16:08 <Ubit> yeah.. but that only works having clusters like that
2020-09-08 16:09 <Ubit> osgrid is a worse case cenario
2020-09-08 16:09 <Melanie_T> yup
2020-09-08 16:09 <Ubit> possible the disk whould be alive if we had that :)
2020-09-08 16:09 <Melanie_T> but if you look above, you can see i did say that caches would be useful for assets
2020-09-08 16:09 <Ubit> yeap
2020-09-08 16:10 <Ubit> but other things also
2020-09-08 16:10 <Melanie_T> but stuff like presence is small fry and would suffer from it
2020-09-08 16:10 <Ubit> displaynames and associated things are a huge flood
2020-09-08 16:10 <Ubit> so is presence
2020-09-08 16:10 <Ubit> ( we have a mess of redundance on that )
2020-09-08 16:11 <Melanie_T> yes but people expect presence to update withn a fraction of a second as people go online and offline
2020-09-08 16:11 <Ubit> natural, diferent lifetimes on cache
2020-09-08 16:11 <Melanie_T> they would complain about even a 10s delay, and much more so if 30s
2020-09-08 16:11 <Ubit> well they have 1 minute now :p
2020-09-08 16:11 <Melanie_T> how so?
2020-09-08 16:12 <Ubit> on region side caching
2020-09-08 16:12 <Melanie_T> when i log in 2 avatars, i see presence update immediately
2020-09-08 16:12 <Ubit> depends on cache state
2020-09-08 16:13 <Ubit> this things just don't scale
2020-09-08 16:14 <Ubit> some caching is a must..
2020-09-08 16:14 <Ubit> and region side only not enough
2020-09-08 16:14 <Ubit> service side must have it, bc database no matter the form will be slow
2020-09-08 16:15 <Ubit> putting it on the service itself could work.. but not that flexible
2020-09-08 16:16 <Ubit> its a "middle man" thing is more flexible
2020-09-08 16:16 <Ubit> (ignre the its )
2020-09-08 16:16 <Ubit> but yeacj
2020-09-08 16:16 <Melanie_T> databases do pretty good caching themselves
2020-09-08 16:16 <Melanie_T> except for sqlite
2020-09-08 16:16 <Ubit> yes.. on their own side
2020-09-08 16:16 <Melanie_T> but someone who runs services on sqllite isn't planning to go big
2020-09-08 16:17 <Ubit> so does disk cache on fsassets
2020-09-08 16:17 <Ubit> sqlite is region side option
2020-09-08 16:17 <Ubit> and should be a lot better on that 
2020-09-08 16:17 <Ubit> no reason for it to be worse than mysql, region side
2020-09-08 16:18 <Ubit> but it currently is  yeack
2020-09-08 16:18 <Ubit> well no idea why ppl added those datathings
2020-09-08 16:19 <Ubit> why in hell does sqlite keep it own copy of all prims data ...  yeack
2020-09-08 16:19 <Ubit> have plans to remove that crap.. one day :p
2020-09-08 16:20 <Ubit> well and all that uselss finegrain details on prims.. gezz what a waste
2020-09-08 16:21 <Ubit> we only read FULL prims.. nver variables of them
2020-09-08 16:21 <Ubit> and pbs..  YEACK
2020-09-08 16:22 <Ubit> well sqlite could and should be the only region local storage
2020-09-08 16:22 <Ubit> yeack.. seems new sl viewers cache is .. sqlite :)
2020-09-08 16:23 <Ubit> well sqlint c# connector also seems a total mess :(
2020-09-08 16:24 <Ubit> sqlint? :)
2020-09-08 16:25 <Ubit> grrr would like to know why lbsa is using 2GB grrr
2020-09-08 16:26 <Ubit> dan does not let me run lbsa here
2020-09-08 16:27 <Ubit> guess he does not like my 800kbps net 
2020-09-08 16:29 <Ubit> and i have fiber 5m from my house.. even a post on my land grrr
2020-09-08 16:30 <Ubit> a few months ago they had to move it, and decided to plant a post on my land.. without even asking me :p
2020-09-08 16:31 <Ubit> i was walking by when they where making that decision.. and told No you will not place it on my land
2020-09-08 16:31 <Ubit> unless you connect me to fiber :p
2020-09-08 16:31 <Ubit> well was a nice try.. 
2020-09-08 16:32 <Ubit> they refused, bc it was a special blablabla connection
2020-09-08 16:32 <Ubit> i ended up allowing the damm post grrr
2020-09-08 16:33 <Ubit> guess users of that payed and are paying a ton of $ 
2020-09-08 16:33 <Melanie_T> :|
2020-09-08 16:34 <Ubit> ( in fact i could only delay them from putting the post on my land.. they can force it )
2020-09-08 18:16 <Ubit> meow meow!!
2020-09-08 18:16 <BillBlight> meeting meow
2020-09-08 20:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #7220 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-08 21:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7220: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7220/
2020-09-08 21:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: on per client terrain taint control replace bad 2d bool array by a bitarray. 1d bool could be another option. bitarray uses a lot less mem but a bit more cpu, except on full set/clear, less mem is also less cpu cache pressure so lets use it, specially on linear scans on X
2020-09-08 22:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #7221 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-08 22:52 <Ubit> not sure why im doing this
2020-09-08 22:52 <Ubit> when i plan to replace all that code :p
2020-09-08 22:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7221: SUCCESS in 4 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7221/
2020-09-08 22:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change some loops/math
2020-09-08 22:54 <Melanie_T> land and terrain need love
2020-09-08 22:55 <Ubit> tons
2020-09-08 22:55 <Melanie_T> when i started avination, compressed hieghtmap tiles didn't even work!
2020-09-08 22:55 <Melanie_T> i did get those working but LandObject, LandData
2020-09-08 22:55 <Ubit> well guess most things now do work
2020-09-08 22:55 <Ubit> just badly
2020-09-08 22:55 <Melanie_T> who ever came up with that
2020-09-08 22:56 <Ubit> no idea why those things
2020-09-08 22:56 <Melanie_T> The database is supposed to store a history of terrains
2020-09-08 22:56 <Melanie_T> for some reason that caused lost terrains 
2020-09-08 22:56 <Melanie_T> now only thte current one is stored
2020-09-08 22:56 <Ubit> yeack
2020-09-08 22:56 <Ubit> we store the baked one and that enought
2020-09-08 22:56 <Ubit> undo is still dead
2020-09-08 22:56 <Melanie_T> meh
2020-09-08 22:57 <Ubit> i refuse to keep all those maps in memory
2020-09-08 22:57 <Melanie_T> maps?
2020-09-08 22:57 <Ubit> insane
2020-09-08 22:57 <Ubit> heighmaps
2020-09-08 22:57 <Melanie_T> heghtmaps?
2020-09-08 22:57 <Melanie_T> thatis what the database isfir!
2020-09-08 22:57 <Melanie_T> is for!
2020-09-08 22:57 <Ubit> old code just did make a copy and left it there
2020-09-08 22:57 <Melanie_T> im tired 
2020-09-08 22:58 <Ubit> store history of 4km wide regions??
2020-09-08 22:58 <Melanie_T> today i completed my probationary period in my current job
2020-09-08 22:58 <Ubit> cool
2020-09-08 22:58 <Melanie_T> and yes, store it
2020-09-08 22:58 <Melanie_T> in the database
2020-09-08 22:58 <Ubit> and stil have a job, congrats
2020-09-08 22:58 <Ubit> 
ACTION runs and hides

2020-09-08 22:58 <Melanie_T> it's a table that can be limited to 10 rows
2020-09-08 22:58 <Ubit> :)
2020-09-08 22:58 <Melanie_T> drop the oldest
2020-09-08 22:59 <Ubit> see the MB on that?
2020-09-08 22:59 <Melanie_T> heh, i'm a ray of sunshine in the standup
2020-09-08 22:59 <Ubit> that you do sitting i bet :p
2020-09-08 22:59 <Melanie_T> ofc
2020-09-08 22:59 <Ubit> :)
2020-09-08 22:59 <Melanie_T> it's wfh
2020-09-08 22:59 <Melanie_T> ok, i'll go read and stop hassling you
2020-09-08 23:00 <Ubit> for some undo it is easy.. they are reversible by just the operation parameters
2020-09-08 23:00 <Ubit> or can be made reversible
2020-09-08 23:00 <Ubit> other ops yeack
2020-09-08 23:00 <Ubit> i refuse to store full maps :p
2020-09-08 23:01 <Ubit> other than the baked, of course
2020-09-08 23:01 <Ubit> that does work
2020-09-08 23:01 <Ubit> and thats a nice undo also
2020-09-08 23:01 <Melanie_T> heh, why not store full maps
2020-09-08 23:02 <Melanie_T> limit to 10 and drop them after 10 mins no editing
2020-09-08 23:02 <Ubit> 4km * 4km...
2020-09-08 23:02 <Melanie_T> in the database
2020-09-08 23:02 <Melanie_T> not in memory
2020-09-08 23:02 <Ubit> even dbs had issues just transfering one
2020-09-08 23:02 <Melanie_T> then use flat files in /tmp
2020-09-08 23:02 <Melanie_T> on a proper system, the cleantmp cronjob will delete them in time
2020-09-08 23:03 <Ubit> and i i let gc see such a array for several seconds..  poff it stays stuck
2020-09-08 23:03 <Melanie_T> and, just to forestall you - windows is not a _proper_ system
2020-09-08 23:03 <Ubit> :p
2020-09-08 23:03 <Melanie_T> :P indeed
2020-09-08 23:04 <Ubit> well i have undo fixes on todo since i disable them back on 900 :p
2020-09-08 23:04 <Melanie_T> my current workspace has 5 screens shared by 3 computers
2020-09-08 23:04 <Melanie_T> one mac, one windows and one linux
2020-09-08 23:04 <Plugh> I remember a revert option somewhere in the terrain tools in the viewer. Based on on that the current and previous terrain textures are all that you would need to save.
2020-09-08 23:04 <Melanie_T> terrains are heightmaps not textures
2020-09-08 23:04 <Ubit> there is one safe copy plug
2020-09-08 23:05 <Ubit> the baked one
2020-09-08 23:05 <Melanie_T> terrain textures are the result of a 4 level blending operation
2020-09-08 23:05 <Plugh> textures/heightmaps. whatever. :)
2020-09-08 23:05 <Ubit> well are worse than texutures :)
2020-09-08 23:05 <Ubit> textures even
2020-09-08 23:05 <Melanie_T> opensim uses a grid of height points
2020-09-08 23:05 <Ubit> all use
2020-09-08 23:05 <Melanie_T> at 4096m per side, that is HUGE
2020-09-08 23:06 <Ubit> yeap
2020-09-08 23:06 <Ubit> wel bf all that i have simpler things
2020-09-08 23:06 <Ubit> like kill all those 2d arrays
2020-09-08 23:07 <Ubit> they are BAD on c#
2020-09-08 23:07 <Ubit> and a long due caching of the compressed data
2020-09-08 23:07 <Melanie_T> no idea
2020-09-08 23:07 <Melanie_T> how bad they are
2020-09-08 23:07 <Melanie_T> these days i do c++ and java
2020-09-08 23:07 <Ubit> well one thing is array bound checks on both dimensions
2020-09-08 23:08 <Ubit> on loops that do simple ops.. that is a killer
2020-09-08 23:08 <Melanie_T> use unsafe?
2020-09-08 23:08 <Ubit> damm ms religion..  they do it on unsafe also
2020-09-08 23:08 <Melanie_T> use linux...
2020-09-08 23:08 <Ubit> mono is ms now :p
2020-09-08 23:08 <Ubit> same rules 
2020-09-08 23:09 <Ubit> ( and bf ms they did it also )
2020-09-08 23:09 <Ubit> bf that crap check they can't even use fast LEA instructions 
2020-09-08 23:10 <Ubit> on intel/amd
2020-09-08 23:10 <Ubit> well and compressed patchs caching is long overdur
2020-09-08 23:10 <Ubit> thats a ton of math per patch per avatar that arrives
2020-09-08 23:10 <Ubit> pure waste
2020-09-08 23:11 <Ubit> i did speed it up a lot.. but still a ton of math
2020-09-08 23:11 <Ubit> (cos transform )
2020-09-08 23:12 <Ubit> dct discrete cos transform
2020-09-08 23:12 <Ubit> and on non standard 16x16 size grrr
2020-09-08 23:12 <Ubit> well those are fast now
2020-09-08 23:13 <Ubit> but a total waste to do them for each avatar that arrives
2020-09-08 23:13 <Ubit> but adding that on current spargetti  yeackk
2020-09-08 23:13 <Ubit> the code i just changed will just go away
2020-09-08 23:14 <Ubit> well or not..
2020-09-08 23:14 <Ubit> also do it justInTime
2020-09-08 23:15 <Ubit> well tons of new bugs to add :p
2020-09-08 23:15 <Melanie_T> did justincc believe in justintime?
2020-09-08 23:15 <Ubit> lol
2020-09-08 23:15 <Ubit> he should no?
2020-09-08 23:15 <Ubit> :)
2020-09-08 23:15 <Melanie_T> well the code you're currently messing up is from his time
2020-09-08 23:15 <Ubit> adam
2020-09-08 23:16 <Ubit> robert
2020-09-08 23:16 <Melanie_T> when justincc, teravus and afrisby and mw weren't just names
2020-09-08 23:16 <Ubit> when he did introduced var regions
2020-09-08 23:16 <Ubit> robert did add those pups
2020-09-08 23:16 <Ubit> i think
2020-09-08 23:17 <Ubit> also no point forcing physics to remake the entire terrain when you change one point :)
2020-09-08 23:18 <Ubit> but thats a twisted thing to do
2020-09-08 23:18 <Melanie_T> no idea
2020-09-08 23:18 <Melanie_T> that was mostly  your stomping grounds
2020-09-08 23:18 <Ubit> and bullet is one way.. one ode other, the other ode other
2020-09-08 23:18 <Melanie_T> i know there were lots of shirtcuts and liberties taken
2020-09-08 23:18 <Ubit> things hold now bc we hold the changes for a few seconds
2020-09-08 23:18 <Melanie_T> AbsolutePosition = AbsolutePosition 
2020-09-08 23:18 <Melanie_T> !
2020-09-08 23:19 <Ubit> i changed that a bit
2020-09-08 23:19 <Melanie_T> i know
2020-09-08 23:19 <Ubit> that is because physics does not have linksets of prims not set to physical
2020-09-08 23:19 <Melanie_T> it's just one of the abominations in OS that I hightlight as not being best practice when i talk about the code's history
2020-09-08 23:19 <Ubit> a mistake waiting to be fixed one day
2020-09-08 23:20 <Melanie_T> Now i'm going to veg and won't answer anymore
2020-09-08 23:20 <Melanie_T> i'm dead tired
2020-09-08 23:20 <Ubit> so when you change the root, you need update positions on physics
2020-09-08 23:20 <Melanie_T> and i'm expecting delivery of a new laser cutter tomorroow
2020-09-08 23:20 <Ubit> that was done using that abs = abs
2020-09-08 23:20 <Melanie_T> i know
2020-09-08 23:21 <Melanie_T> anyway, tomorrow i have 1400 x 800 x 880 of laser cutter coming in, weighing in at ~400lbs
2020-09-08 23:21 <Ubit> :)
2020-09-08 23:21 <Melanie_T> so i need to go to bed early
2020-09-08 23:21 <Ubit> ok
2020-09-08 23:21 <Ubit> happy dreams :)
2020-09-09 14:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #7222 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-09 14:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7222: FAILURE in 2 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7222/
2020-09-09 14:28 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: make main terrain taints also a bitarray
2020-09-09 14:28 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: missing file
2020-09-09 14:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #7223 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7221 16 hr ago)
2020-09-09 15:04 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-09-09 15:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7223: FIXED in 4 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7223/
2020-09-09 15:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops forgot needed integer math
2020-09-09 16:17 <JeffKelley> Is this true ? Quote : YEngine in OpenSim 0.9.1.0 “Snail” release does not specifically provide the full range of C# programming in OpenSim. However, it provides a great deal of more C-like structure including objects, associative mutable arrays, database functions and more.
2020-09-09 16:19 <Plugh> I'm not sure about the last part. Where did you find the quote?
2020-09-09 16:19 <JeffKelley> https://starflowerbracken.wordpress.com/2019/11/20/yengine-and-c-coding-in-opensim/
2020-09-09 16:21 <Plugh> I think the person wrote the information based on XMREngine and what it can do. YEngine is based on XMREngine but some parts of it were removed.
2020-09-09 16:22 <Plugh> AFAIK, YEngine is for LSL scripts only. It doesn't support use of C#.
2020-09-09 16:23 <JeffKelley> the author does not show any example of C-like structures so I take it for unverified. If it was, this would be a *huge* jump forward.
2020-09-09 16:23 <Plugh> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Scripting_Languages
2020-09-09 16:24 <Plugh> --> You can also specify //XEngine:c# but at present you will find that YEngine does not support C# as of OpenSim 0.9.1.0 "Snail" release.
2020-09-09 16:25 <Plugh> Lunch time. bbl.
2020-09-09 17:16 <osmantis> Bug #8769:04 Constant not expanded in Include- directive 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8769 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-09 18:20 <Melanie_T> some options were removed
2020-09-09 18:20 <Melanie_T> for instance, an engine specific mechanism for doing region crossings
2020-09-09 18:20 <Melanie_T> but others, like the arrays, i believe still exist
2020-09-09 18:21 <Melanie_T> another i remember having been removed was a fairly complex arrangement to wait for an event rather than receive it asynchronously
2020-09-09 18:21 <Melanie_T> it was designed somewhere along the lines of C's "select"
2020-09-09 18:22 <Melanie_T> and just too complex and difficult to maintain, too alien to LSL and not very useful
2020-09-09 18:23 <Ubit> for now yengine should be used as lsl engine
2020-09-09 18:23 <Ubit> many other things are there, but questionable if will keep same form
2020-09-09 18:24 <Melanie_T> i wish LL would upgrade the language spec to incllude arrays
2020-09-09 18:24 <Ubit> break, case, try  could almost be standard
2020-09-09 18:24 <JeffKelley> does that means that it could be something more tomorrow ?
2020-09-09 18:24 <Ubit> but there is still a issue with finish
2020-09-09 18:24 <Ubit> i hate those arrays imp
2020-09-09 18:24 <Melanie_T> if you like to redo your scripts when the engine changes, use all features you want ;)
2020-09-09 18:25 <Melanie_T> the concept of array should be there
2020-09-09 18:25 <Melanie_T> ther was something weird about the way they were done in xmr
2020-09-09 18:25 <Ubit> it is. but heavy
2020-09-09 18:25 <Melanie_T> i don't recall
2020-09-09 18:25 <Ubit> based on the class also there
2020-09-09 18:26 <Ubit> while simple arrays could just be done from .net ones
2020-09-09 18:27 <Ubit> well i don't remembe the finish issue now.. thing was related with reset also
2020-09-09 18:27 <JeffKelley> assoc arrays would be a giant step forward
2020-09-09 18:27 <Ubit> stop
2020-09-09 18:28 <Ubit> we are talking about a script engine, not a full programming language
2020-09-09 18:28 <Ubit> if you want full c# and .net, make a module
2020-09-09 18:29 <Ubit> sure simple arrays will be cool
2020-09-09 18:29 <Ubit> i have lsl lists :)
2020-09-09 18:29 <Ubit> i have?? i hate!!
2020-09-09 18:30 <Ubit> yeah think finish issue was in there was a reset on the try catch
2020-09-09 18:31 <Ubit> **if**
2020-09-09 18:31 <Ubit> nasty blowup :)
2020-09-09 18:31 <Ubit> try catch i usefull for all those NaN creators
2020-09-09 18:32 <Ubit> that now get a stooped script :)
2020-09-09 18:32 <Ubit> but as i said, original imp has issues
2020-09-09 18:34 <Ubit> most other things like classes etc etc.. totally out of scope of a script engine
2020-09-09 18:40 <JeffKelley> but some scripts actually try to mimick classes/arrays with lists and methods, so they don't have the programming tools but the concepts are here inside
2020-09-09 18:41 <Ubit> nahh not classes
2020-09-09 18:41 <Ubit> arrays yes.. they are a needed thing
2020-09-09 18:42 <Ubit> but the ones there are not even standard
2020-09-09 18:42 <JeffKelley> strided lists + methods to get/set_member are a way to implement a rudimentary class, or it may be viewed as style
2020-09-09 20:15 <Melanie_T> see, there! you're introducing bugs!! ;)
2020-09-09 20:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #7224 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-09-09 20:16 <Ubit> duhh ofc
2020-09-09 20:16 <Ubit> fix one, add 2.. normal opensim work :p
2020-09-09 20:16 <Ubit> well lets hope its more the other way around :)
2020-09-09 20:18 <Ubit> can't say i wasn't saving timers.. :p
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2020-09-09 20:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a bug on the new expiring things
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2020-09-10 01:40 <djphil> Ubit, I put YEngine on a region here where there is some script to get json datas from outside.
2020-09-10 01:40 <djphil> I am seeing several red alert messages on the regions console about constant JSON.
2020-09-10 01:40 <djphil> Do you have any idea why?
2020-09-10 01:40 <djphil> https://pastebin.com/nAAZwamn
2020-09-10 01:41 <Ubit> no idea
2020-09-10 01:41 <djphil> Hmmm :s
2020-09-10 01:44 <Ubit> damm odd module.
2020-09-10 01:44 <Ubit> whatever
2020-09-10 01:44 <djphil> what ??
2020-09-10 01:45 <Ubit> that jsonstoremodule
2020-09-10 01:45 <djphil> ha ok
2020-09-10 01:45 <Ubit> the cause of those errors
2020-09-10 01:45 <djphil> maybee i have enabled it
2020-09-10 01:45 <djphil> mom i check
2020-09-10 01:45 <djphil> i remeber i try and report a mantis about from a long time
2020-09-10 01:46 <djphil> hehe :)
2020-09-10 01:46 <djphil> [JsonStore]
2020-09-10 01:46 <djphil> Enabled = True
2020-09-10 01:46 <djphil> EnableObjectStore = True
2020-09-10 01:46 <djphil> MaxStringSpace = 0
2020-09-10 01:47 <djphil> So does this mean that jsonstire cannot work with YEngine?
2020-09-10 01:49 <djphil> Ok, I can confirm. I turned on FALSE and I no longer have any alerts
2020-09-10 01:49 <djphil> Thank you already for that :p
2020-09-10 01:54 <djphil> Whether this happens with the default value of ScriptDistanceLimitFactor in Yengine.
2020-09-10 01:54 <djphil> In XEngine I use 10.0 instead of 1.0 (by default).
2020-09-10 01:54 <djphil> Is there no limit on this in YEngine?
2020-09-10 01:55 <djphil> It seems to have fewer configuration settings in Opensim.ini
2020-09-10 01:56 <djphil> As for example the number of lines in the notecard
2020-09-10 01:56 <djphil> I'm afraid ^^
2020-09-10 02:23 <Ubit>  no idea
2020-09-10 02:30 <djphil> Something else, more serious ... I can edit my scipts but cannot save.
2020-09-10 02:30 <djphil> I just got a message from the viewer saying "Unable to upload ... uuid ... due to the fallowing reason: Service unreachable Please try again later".
2020-09-10 02:31 <djphil> I had never seen this with XEngine
2020-09-10 02:37 <BillBlight> well, it does work on Yengine, used this test script ...
2020-09-10 02:37 <BillBlight> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OSSL_Script_Library/JsonStore
2020-09-10 02:38 <BillBlight> [19:36] Json Generator: running...
2020-09-10 02:38 <BillBlight> [19:36] Json consumer: shared store id: f8994f22-d3d6-4dc1-bdb5-6391257c91a6
2020-09-10 02:38 <BillBlight> [19:36] Json consumer: read 1
2020-09-10 02:38 <BillBlight> [19:36] Json consumer: read 2
2020-09-10 02:38 <BillBlight> [19:36] Json consumer: read 3
2020-09-10 02:38 <BillBlight> [19:36] Json consumer: read 4
2020-09-10 02:38 <djphil> However, I have error messages on the console
2020-09-10 02:38 <BillBlight> Sounds like you have other problems
2020-09-10 02:38 <djphil> I'll try to find the guilty script
2020-09-10 02:39 <djphil> I know that I perform checks on the json data type you in some scripts ... maybe that's it
2020-09-10 02:40 <djphil> But for that it would be necessary minimum that I manage to save some script somehow
2020-09-10 02:40 <djphil> Currently it's not going, it's amazing
2020-09-10 02:41 <djphil> At the moment I am checking the configurations but still haven't found anything bad in ini
2020-09-10 02:46 <djphil> Ok, problem solved, bad config
2020-09-10 02:46 <djphil> Relief :)
2020-09-10 02:53 <djphil> Hehe errors on http requests ... The data is too important. They exceed the "limit"
2020-09-10 02:53 <djphil> OutOfHeapException: oldtotal = 0, newtotal = 9179958, limit = 262144
2020-09-10 02:54 <djphil> I imagine it's related to body max length
2020-09-10 02:57 <BillBlight>     ScriptHeapSize
2020-09-10 02:58 <djphil> i see 256 by default
2020-09-10 03:00 <djphil> in the old one it was 256, now it is 1024 by default
2020-09-10 03:01 <BillBlight> I have it set to 4096
2020-09-10 03:01 <BillBlight> ScriptStackSize and ScriptHeapSize
2020-09-10 03:01 <djphil> i try double ... i have some datafiles over 4mb
2020-09-10 03:02 <djphil> ok, good to know
2020-09-10 03:05 <Ubit> that json errors is on 2 regions per instance
2020-09-10 03:05 <Ubit> those
2020-09-10 03:05 <Ubit> that module is just piiiiiii
2020-09-10 03:06 <BillBlight> well, only time I ever run more than one region in an instance anymore , is if it is just water .. LOL
2020-09-10 03:07 <Ubit> does seem to work on X
2020-09-10 03:08 <BillBlight> I’ll not soil my hands or my sims with Xengine
2020-09-10 03:09 <BillBlight> :P
2020-09-10 03:09 <djphil> 8192 seems insignificant ... same error.
2020-09-10 03:09 <djphil> I will try to double again
2020-09-10 03:10 <Ubit> no idea how it works on X
2020-09-10 03:10 <Ubit> that code is crap
2020-09-10 03:17 <djphil> Finally it work with 65535 ...
2020-09-10 03:22 <Ubit> well that error on that case is more a warning
2020-09-10 03:23 <djphil> aa little BIG ... https://pastebin.com/3s7EW78A
2020-09-10 03:25 <djphil> In fact I adjusted too quickly ... It works but it displays the same error approximately halfway through the execution
2020-09-10 03:26 <djphil> This is a problem I am not having with XEngine
2020-09-10 03:28 <djphil> To give you an idea https://ibb.co/ctxKYFN
2020-09-10 03:39 <djphil> I increased the value again and now it looks like it's fine. It works without error. Hope this will continue
2020-09-10 04:03 <BillBlight> yeah Xengine will not stop growing in memory , it will just keep getting bigger and bigger ...  Can’t protect you from yourself ..
2020-09-10 04:16 <djphil> I think the jsonstore problem is related to this mantis http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8615
2020-09-10 04:16 <djphil> The basic script on the wiki is too basic ... :p
2020-09-10 04:17 <BillBlight> syntax hihlighting is viewer side
2020-09-10 04:17 <Ubit> that is not part of main scripting
2020-09-10 04:18 <Ubit> it is a option module that "injects" things the script engines
2020-09-10 04:18 <djphil> Hmm I will continue to investigate
2020-09-10 04:18 <Ubit> any documentation must be on the module doc itself
2020-09-10 04:18 <Ubit> not on main lsl/ossl
2020-09-10 04:18 <Ubit> hate those modules
2020-09-10 04:19 <Ubit> and this one using link_message totally out of spec
2020-09-10 04:19 <djphil> Are you going to delete it?
2020-09-10 04:19 <Ubit> you did guess what is going on my mind :p
2020-09-10 04:20 <Ubit> but thats a very broken crap
2020-09-10 04:20 <djphil> I prefer to ask before correcting my script.
2020-09-10 04:20 <djphil> jsonstore has the advantage of allowing data to be distributed everywhere
2020-09-10 04:20 <Ubit> i managed to crash fs with that wiki demo
2020-09-10 04:21 <BillBlight> same here, it did eventually crash both my viewer and region
2020-09-10 04:21 <Ubit> don't ask how, but the child prim started telling "read" non stop
2020-09-10 04:21 <Ubit> fs BUMMM
2020-09-10 04:21 <BillBlight> Well the region did not crash completely but was overloaded
2020-09-10 04:22 <Ubit> yeah something placed Yengine into high gear
2020-09-10 04:22 <djphil> I don't know who made this script on the wiki
2020-09-10 04:22 <djphil> it's not me ... but I see the linked messages you're talking about
2020-09-10 04:22 <djphil> I can correct this in the next few days
2020-09-10 04:23 <Ubit> send link message events from a non linked prim is a big spec violation
2020-09-10 04:23 <djphil> hehe good to know too :)
2020-09-10 04:24 <Ubit> but master and slave just get totally desync easilly
2020-09-10 04:24 <Ubit> the protocal is crap
2020-09-10 04:24 <djphil> I also saw something
2020-09-10 04:24 <djphil> I had a syntax error not detected by XEngine
2020-09-10 04:24 <djphil> YEngine saw her directly
2020-09-10 04:25 <Ubit> you cold type llResetScript;
2020-09-10 04:25 <Ubit> on X :P
2020-09-10 04:25 <djphil> llOwnerSay (, "blah");
2020-09-10 04:25 <djphil> instead of
2020-09-10 04:25 <djphil> llOwnerSay ("blah");
2020-09-10 04:26 <djphil> (the first compile without error on X)
2020-09-10 04:26 <Ubit> X is fun
2020-09-10 04:26 <Ubit> well the break on it is very fun 
2020-09-10 04:26 <djphil> yeah more sweet
2020-09-10 04:27 <Ubit> it does work lol
2020-09-10 04:27 <Ubit> ppl rpeorted Y was messing the break keyword
2020-09-10 04:27 <Ubit> lol
2020-09-10 04:27 <Ubit> missing
2020-09-10 04:28 <Ubit> when lsl as no break
2020-09-10 04:28 <djphil> Overall my transition went well ...
2020-09-10 04:28 <djphil> Just a few minor mistakes
2020-09-10 04:33 <djphil> Did you also remove the [SUN] module? :o
2020-09-10 04:34 <djphil> Only EEP now?
2020-09-10 04:34 <BillBlight> Don’t really think the Sun module makes much sense with eep ..
2020-09-10 04:40 <Ubit> sun was not comp with eep, in fact possible was not with wl either
2020-09-10 04:41 <djphil> ok
2020-09-10 04:42 <djphil> and the [CLOUD] is not recognized by FS
2020-09-10 04:43 <djphil> it also seems useless now
2020-09-10 04:44 <BillBlight> Considering you can adjust all that in the environment panel, yeah
2020-09-10 04:45 <djphil> the clound module is a little different I think ...
2020-09-10 04:45 <djphil> it adds a particle square above your region
2020-09-10 10:41 <osmantis> Bug #8769:04 Constant not expanded in Include- directive 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8769 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-09-10 12:05 <osmantis> Bug #8769:04 Constant not expanded in Include- directive 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8769 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-10 14:34 <osmantis> Bug #8769:04 Constant not expanded in Include- directive 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8769 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-10 23:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #7225 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-10 23:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7225: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7225/
2020-09-10 23:05 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: update prebuild
2020-09-10 23:05 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: update prebuild
2020-09-10 23:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #7226 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-10 23:23 <Ubit> of course no exec mode on the new .sh
2020-09-10 23:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7226: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7226/
2020-09-10 23:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a few test things for .net48 target
2020-09-11 01:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #7227 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-11 01:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7227: SUCCESS in 4 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7227/
2020-09-11 01:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update bulletXNA, just compiled for .net4.6 removing another use of .net3.5 still lost around
2020-09-11 18:48 <osmantis> Bug #8615:04 Syntax highlight missing for all JsonStore functions and constants 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8615 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-11 23:49 <Ubit> " when you are at the edge of a cliff a step fw is not progress"
2020-09-12 00:12 <Tampa> I guess you could call that... congress
2020-09-12 09:55 <osmantis> Bug #8770:04 osGetSunParam("day_length") returns always 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8770 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-09-12 12:46 <osmantis> Bug #8770:04 osGetSunParam("day_length") returns always 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8770 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 13:50 <osmantis> Bug #8740:04 Added support for llTargetedEmail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8740 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-09-12 13:51 <osmantis> Bug #8758:04 llList2Json is incorrectly handling empty strings 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8758 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-09-12 13:51 <osmantis> Bug #8754:04 EEP needlessly creates duplicate default assets 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8754 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-09-12 13:52 <osmantis> Bug #8753:04 Requesting teleport lures wasn't working across regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8753 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-09-12 13:52 <osmantis> Bug #8745:04 Updated functionality of Top Scripts 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8745 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-09-12 14:08 <osmantis> Bug #8770:04 osGetSunParam("day_length") returns always 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8770 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 14:23 <osmantis> Bug #8770:04 osGetSunParam("day_length") returns always 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8770 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 14:32 <osmantis> Bug #8770:04 osGetSunParam("day_length") returns always 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8770 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 15:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #7228 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-12 15:16 <osmantis> Bug #8770:04 osGetSunParam("day_length") returns always 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8770 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 15:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7228: SUCCESS in 5 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7228/
2020-09-12 15:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8770: let osGetSunParam(day_length) return the same as llGetDayLength() ie day length at prim location
2020-09-12 15:24 <osmantis> Bug #8770:04 osGetSunParam("day_length") returns always 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8770 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 15:42 <osmantis> Bug #8770:04 osGetSunParam("day_length") returns always 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8770 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 16:48 <osmantis> Bug #8770:04 osGetSunParam("day_length") returns always 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8770 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 17:04 <osmantis> Bug #8770:04 osGetSunParam("day_length") returns always 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8770 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 17:16 <osmantis> Bug #8770:04 osGetSunParam("day_length") returns always 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8770 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 17:44 <osmantis> Bug #8770:04 osGetSunParam("day_length") returns always 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8770 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 17:47 <osmantis> Bug #8770:04 osGetSunParam("day_length") returns always 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8770 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 17:52 <osmantis> Bug #8770:04 osGetSunParam("day_length") returns always 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8770 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 17:57 <osmantis> Bug #8770:04 osGetSunParam("day_length") returns always 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8770 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 17:57 <osmantis> Bug #8770:04 osGetSunParam("day_length") returns always 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8770 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 18:00 <osmantis> Bug #8770:04 osGetSunParam("day_length") returns always 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8770 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 18:11 <osmantis> Bug #8770:04 osGetSunParam("day_length") returns always 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8770 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 18:15 <osmantis> Bug #8770:04 osGetSunParam("day_length") returns always 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8770 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 18:18 <osmantis> Bug #8770:04 osGetSunParam("day_length") returns always 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8770 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 19:03 <osmantis> Bug #8770:04 osGetSunParam("day_length") returns always 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8770 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 19:06 <osmantis> Bug #8771:04 Map cannot find a grid on the same host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8771 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-09-12 19:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #7229 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-12 19:14 <osmantis> Bug #8770:04 osGetSunParam("day_length") returns always 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8770 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 19:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7229: SUCCESS in 4 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7229/
2020-09-12 19:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix silly bugs on osReplaceRegionEnvironment()
2020-09-12 19:47 <osmantis> Bug #8771:04 Map cannot find a grid on the same host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8771 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 19:58 <osmantis> Bug #8771:04 Map cannot find a grid on the same host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8771 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 20:23 <osmantis> Bug #8771:04 Map cannot find a grid on the same host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8771 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 20:31 <osmantis> Bug #8771:04 Map cannot find a grid on the same host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8771 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 20:38 <osmantis> Bug #8771:04 Map cannot find a grid on the same host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8771 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 20:46 <osmantis> Bug #8615:04 Syntax highlight missing for all JsonStore functions and constants 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8615 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 20:47 <osmantis> Bug #8766:04 Creators names incorrect on all rezzed assets on sim - OpenSim 0.9.2.0 Yeti Dev   ec54942719 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8766 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 20:48 <osmantis> Bug #8615:04 Syntax highlight missing for all JsonStore functions and constants 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8615 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 20:52 <osmantis> Bug #8615:04 Syntax highlight missing for all JsonStore functions and constants 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8615 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-09-12 21:02 <osmantis> Bug #8771:04 Map cannot find a grid on the same host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8771 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 21:05 <osmantis> Bug #8771:04 Map cannot find a grid on the same host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8771 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 21:14 <osmantis> Bug #8771:04 Map cannot find a grid on the same host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8771 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 21:16 <osmantis> Bug #8771:04 Map cannot find a grid on the same host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8771 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-12 21:21 <osmantis> Bug #8771:04 Map cannot find a grid on the same host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8771 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2020-09-13 04:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #7230 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-13 04:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7230: SUCCESS in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7230/
2020-09-13 04:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubOde resize a avatar without recreating it
2020-09-13 09:57 <osmantis> Bug #8770:04 osGetSunParam("day_length") returns always 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8770 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-13 11:36 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-09-13 12:28 <osmantis> Bug #8770:04 osGetSunParam("day_length") returns always 0 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8770 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-13 13:47 <JeffKelley> is LightShare going to be obsolete ?
2020-09-13 14:10 <Ubit> light is obsolete for ages :p
2020-09-13 14:12 <Ai_Austin> Just tested a compile with .NET 4.8 in a fresh standalone and it sees to compile and work fine Ubit. I had to guess a bity what Visual Studio 2019 Community Edition modules might be required. It would be good to document exactly the minimum people need to add to the basic install.
2020-09-13 14:14 <Ai_Austin> We had an issue with the Ruth2 v4 HUD in that when someone teleports between grids the HID stops responding.  It looks like we might rely on script state and some JSON state for the HUD to work. is that something we must assume will not work when a user uses Hypergrid teleports between grids?  And maybe even when going between regions on one grid
2020-09-13 14:14 <Ai_Austin> if different script engines are used?
2020-09-13 14:28 <Ubit> no idea about json state, that is a optional think
2020-09-13 14:29 <Ubit> vs2019 is well net.4,8 dev :p
2020-09-13 14:30 <Ubit> fun how they imposed the runtime and vs does not install it by default when the runtime is there
2020-09-13 14:30 <Ubit> Visual Basic Roslyn compilers ?? what for?
2020-09-13 14:30 <Ubit> :)
2020-09-13 14:38 <Ai_Austin> I wonderd if that could be removed.. but as it only added 44MB I left it in.  Will try with it removed now.  Roslyn in a path is mentioned in the compiles and I did not select it so I assumed it was a dependency
2020-09-13 14:42 <Ai_Austin> All red errors when the C# and Visual Basic Roslyn compilers item removed.. so its needed
2020-09-13 14:43 <Ai_Austin> C# and Visual Basic Roslyn compilers
2020-09-13 14:43 <Ubit> wonder why c# is needed :p
2020-09-13 14:43 <Ubit> they are both just one option?
2020-09-13 14:43 <Ai_Austin> its all one line item (component) there.
2020-09-13 14:43 <Ai_Austin> yep
2020-09-13 14:43 <Ubit> ohh ok
2020-09-13 14:44 <Ubit> no idea why.. but well ms
2020-09-13 14:44 <Ai_Austin> that's the min I managed to get it down to.
2020-09-13 14:44 <Ai_Austin> 1.2GB - better than 10.5GB when I selected on of their packaged things
2020-09-13 14:45 <Ai_Austin> Core is aboit 750MB
2020-09-13 14:45 <Ubit> no need for all
2020-09-13 14:45 <Ubit> well u may need .net 4.6 if want to use that on normal compile
2020-09-13 14:45 <Ai_Austin> maybe worth adding a note somewhere where .NET requirements are mentioned
2020-09-13 14:45 <Ubit> sdk and target i mean
2020-09-13 14:45 <Ai_Austin> yep
2020-09-13 14:45 <Ai_Austin> okay
2020-09-13 14:46 <Ubit> main did not changed still
2020-09-13 14:46 <Ai_Austin> WiFi needs a few prebuild*.xml files amending from 4_6 to 4_8 and then that comiled too without any other chnage
2020-09-13 14:46 <Ubit> main target is .46
2020-09-13 14:46 <Ai_Austin> Understood, I noted that  I was just experimenting on a spare server
2020-09-13 14:47 <Ubit> and guess you will notice not much dif using target 4.8 if any
2020-09-13 14:47 <Ubit> and msbuild 16
2020-09-13 14:49 <Ai_Austin> interesting, I do not have msbuild ticked. It must have been installed by the other 3 things.  I wonder if Innstall that if the roslyn line can be removed
2020-09-13 14:49 <Ubit> it is auto now i guess
2020-09-13 14:50 <Ubit> having disk space issues? :)
2020-09-13 14:50 <Ai_Austin> On this machine eys.  VERY tight
2020-09-13 14:50 <Ai_Austin> yes
2020-09-13 14:50 <Ubit> oops :)
2020-09-13 14:50 <Ubit> delete some of the porn?
2020-09-13 14:50 <Ai_Austin> is my home system - masses on it
2020-09-13 14:50 <Ubit> 
ACTION runs and hides

2020-09-13 14:50 <Ai_Austin> okay deleted it all... 
2020-09-13 14:51 <Ai_Austin> 0MB freed
2020-09-13 14:51 <Ubit> :)
2020-09-13 14:52 <Ai_Austin> ticking msbuild would only add 800KB (thats KB not MB).. but it seems fine without that added. maybe if I add that I can remove the roslyn line. will try now
2020-09-13 14:53 <Ai_Austin> right. I see. msbuild REQUIRES the C# and Visual Basic Roslyn compilers, but OpenSim works without explicitly adding msbuild if C# and Visual Basic Roslyn compilers is ticked
2020-09-13 14:55 <Ai_Austin> hehe. I see the thread message order implies something not intended!
2020-09-13 14:56 <Ai_Austin> masses on it refers to systems and installs!!
2020-09-13 14:56 <Ubit> unless you use compile.bat
2020-09-13 14:57 <Ubit> that uses msbuild
2020-09-13 14:57 <Ubit> the ide, not sure
2020-09-13 14:57 <Ai_Austin> Looks like for the RuthAndRoth HUDs we will have to rethink to see how it can work acrosss the HG and between script engines etc where state opreservation might be an issue
2020-09-13 14:57 <Ai_Austin> I was usign runprebuild19 and then compile an dthat is fine with the three addons I mentioned
2020-09-13 14:57 <Ai_Austin> but not without those
2020-09-13 15:04 <Ai_Austin> There is no 4.6 SDK.. just a 4.6 targeting pack... which SDK is needed?  4.6.1 and 4.6.2 are available. one or both?
2020-09-13 15:09 <Ai_Austin> I installed only 4.6 targeting pack that seems to work with normal 4.6 runprebuild. and compile - 
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2020-09-14 05:16 <Psi-Jack> So, I've been trying to figure out how in the world to get opensim 0.9.2 to have a single binary deployment, running multiple different configurations, in Linux. mono OpenSim.exe -inidirectory /path/to/config, with a directory structure including all the bin/*.ini, bin/config-includes/*.ini, and bin/Regions/*.ini, is failing to even  load. But yet, it'll load the OpenSimDefaults.ini in the CWD, and then search . for config ini files, and 
2020-09-14 05:16 <Psi-Jack> throw up.
2020-09-14 05:37 <Tampa> You only need a basic OpenSim.ini with points to database, some networking and where to load the Region.ini from, but you can also use a single include file to include all required configuration
2020-09-14 05:38 <Psi-Jack> Well, it always looks for an OpenSimDefaults.ini, without that, it's obviously refusing to do anything.
2020-09-14 05:47 <Psi-Jack> What's wierd, though is the complete odd sequence of loading, with all ini in the bin dir, and all in bin/config/ dir.
2020-09-14 05:48 <Psi-Jack> Completely different. No color, like in the norm. Have to set -inimaster config/OpenSimDefaults.ini, but, then things that worked in the monolithic config inside the bin, has unexpected issues and refusals to connect to the grid robust.
2020-09-14 05:53 <Psi-Jack> Oh! Well, sheash, I created a ScriptEngines directory, in config/, and suddenly it worked. o.O
2020-09-14 05:53 <Psi-Jack> Oh, nevermind wrong one. 
2020-09-14 06:21 <Psi-Jack> heh. I've got a total of 119 regions, running on Windows .NET and Linux mono. Right now, each and every region server is running independantly with it's own monolithic binary+config bundle with 1, sometimes a few regions, and all running 0.9.2. I'm trying to improve this approach and make it easier, less wasteful, and easily upgradable.
2020-09-14 06:46 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-14 07:35 <BillBlight> "less wasteful, and easily upgradable" , you might gain one and loose the other, having one directory sounds good on paper but not good in reality ..
2020-09-14 07:36 <BillBlight> since a bash script or batch file is easy enough to make to update multiple directories, and an individual bin directory is less than 80 meg not including the caches , IMHO a single bin dire has it's own set of issues
2020-09-14 07:36 <BillBlight> Biggest being while easy to upgrade, unless you want it to blow up everytime, you have to talke down all regions that are using the the directory to actively run a region
2020-09-14 07:37 <BillBlight> so you would have to take down 110 regions to update the bin , where if they are individual you can do rolling restarts.
2020-09-14 07:37 <BillBlight> just my opinion
2020-09-14 07:38 <BillBlight> (on windows definately have to take down all regions because it would not allow you to replace an exe or dll that is currently in use)
2020-09-14 07:40 <BillBlight> as far as being wasteful, 80 meg for a bin dir would only be around 8 gig for your 110 regions, in this day and age if 8 gig puts stress on your server , storage is cheap.
2020-09-14 08:14 <Tampa> Or you could just create another directory for the newer bin instead of changing the existing one
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2020-09-14 08:58 <Psi-Jack> Well, that's what I'm trying to do, have a ~/regions/NAME/bin, where bin is symlinked to ~/opensim/version/bin - However, in doing that, opensim tried to run within ~/opensim/version/bin, not the CWD of which it resided in.  LOL
2020-09-14 09:00 <Psi-Jack> Another way, which seems to have come closer to life. Is making ~/regions/NAME/bin actually a directory, symlinking all the contents of, except INI files, config-includes, and Regions, and implanting those INI files literally. But, this becomes it's own can of worms method as well. It'll work when the config files remain inside just like the monolithic structure, but, not if you try to have opensim use a inidirectory, inipath, or inimaster.
2020-09-14 09:22 <Tampa> If you don't run it inside a folder with the correct structure then... well
2020-09-14 12:52 <Ai_Austin> I have just tried .NET 4.8/Visual Studio 2019 for a runprebuild19 and compile refresh of my experimental AiLand grid. Evereything looks okay, except that I am seeing the NPCs showing with UnknownUMM1 and a UUID number as their avatar name label. Clearing the viewer cache did not make that go away. Also clearing the script state and restarting the
2020-09-14 12:52 <Ai_Austin> server seems to have no effect. The OpenSim.exe console "show users" command shows the NPCs with their correct labels. I will explore more, but I wonder if that could be related to something in compiling with .NET 4.8? Anything there ring a bell before I start to exlore?
2020-09-14 13:22 <Ai_Austin> Recompiling with runprebuild.bat and compile.bat (but still with Visual Studio 2019 installed) also fails the same way.
2020-09-14 13:22 <Ai_Austin> 2017 unless I can figure out what ths issue is.
2020-09-14 17:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #7231 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-14 17:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7231: SUCCESS in 4 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7231/
2020-09-14 17:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do not let viewers see unknown names (again)
2020-09-14 18:08 <Psi-Jack> Can you use ${Environment|REGION_PORT} in Region.ini files, or some equivalent?
2020-09-14 18:08 <Psi-Jack> I'm trying it, and it works in the OpenSim.ini, but not the Regions.
2020-09-14 18:14 <Tampa> Don't think const expansion works in there
2020-09-14 18:26 <Psi-Jack> Nor does Environment expansion either, :/
2020-09-14 18:59 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-14 20:02 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-14 20:06 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-14 20:27 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-14 20:28 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-14 20:32 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-14 20:32 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-14 20:36 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-14 20:40 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-14 20:41 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-14 20:50 <Bombo> hi
2020-09-14 20:50 <Psi-Jack> Houston, we're forever stuck "Persisting changed objects", LOL
2020-09-14 20:52 <Bombo> i got a problem: when i do 'region get' the 'External endpoint' always shows my local ip (192.168.2.100:9000) is it possible to set it to the same as ExternalHostName but without resolving it?
2020-09-14 20:53 <Bombo> not sure if it's abug
2020-09-14 20:55 <Bombo> i'm trying to find it in the source, but i don't know much .net/c#
2020-09-14 21:22 <Ubit> what region get?
2020-09-14 21:23 <BillBlight> I think he his talking about "show region"
2020-09-14 21:23 <JeffKelley> problem was ext domain name pointing to LAN address in host file
2020-09-14 21:24 <BillBlight> well yeah that will screw things up
2020-09-14 21:24 <JeffKelley> Bombo is now fighting the loopback monster
2020-09-14 21:25 <Bombo> ;)
2020-09-14 21:25 <BillBlight> good idea to go major router research if running an opensim region is an goal
2020-09-14 21:25 <Bombo> 'show region' seems to be the same as 'region get' i just found it in help 
2020-09-14 21:26 <Bombo> i could run it on a hosted vserver without router, but i want to test things at home 
2020-09-14 21:26 <BillBlight> good idea to find a router that has a DMZ or is compatible with third party firmware , something like DD-WRT or Tomato
2020-09-14 21:27 <BillBlight> (usually if it has a working DMZ, then it normally does not suffer from loopback issues, at least in my experience)
2020-09-14 21:28 <Bombo> my speedport (german telekom) has DMZ but it would break other things so i would rather not ;)
2020-09-14 21:41 <Bombo> would help if a region could listen on two IPs ;)
2020-09-14 22:03 <BillBlight> as far as internal it does if you set internal ip to 0.0.0.0, it listens to all IP's on the system, but not sure that helps in this instance ..
2020-09-14 22:06 <BillBlight> remember simulator is TCP and Region is UDP, so they can be on the same port, just need to have both TCP and UDP forwarded ..
2020-09-14 23:30 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-14 23:37 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-14 23:50 <Ubit> where did the idea that day is z > 1??  Z is always in -1 to 1, by definition of normalized vector
2020-09-14 23:50 <Ubit> gezz
2020-09-14 23:50 <Ubit> z = 0 means sun at horizont
2020-09-14 23:53 <Tampa> I don't know, I use some sort of that for calculating solar array efficiency, but that script has not failed yet either
2020-09-14 23:54 <Ubit> that will tell night all the time
2020-09-14 23:54 <Ubit> gezz
2020-09-15 00:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #7232 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-15 00:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7232: SUCCESS in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7232/
2020-09-15 00:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix npc userdata expire
2020-09-15 00:16 <Ubit> lol my example as c# code
2020-09-15 01:48 <Tampa> Have viewers changed from rtsp to rtmp or am I taking crazy pills?
2020-09-15 02:29 <BillBlight> They are changing the supported streaming protocols , but you are not in need of any pills , I think ..
2020-09-15 02:33 <BillBlight> I'm not sure there are many specifics to what they are changing yet, there was something to do with licensing and also the death of flash ..
2020-09-15 07:57 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-15 08:43 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-15 08:58 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-09-15 09:15 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-15 09:21 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-15 09:23 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-09-15 09:34 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-15 09:37 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-15 09:39 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-15 09:45 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-15 09:51 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-15 09:58 <djphil> Ubit, os wiki say nothing about value "-1" for osReplace<Region/Parcel>Environment
2020-09-15 09:58 <djphil> and i found syntax hilight is missing for osReplaceRegionEnvironment
2020-09-15 09:59 <djphil> yes again :)
2020-09-15 10:00 <Ubit> says 0, same
2020-09-15 10:00 <djphil> you say 'same' ... but 0 isn't same like -1 ^^
2020-09-15 10:04 <Ubit> yeah the generator did not like parameters on 2 lines
2020-09-15 10:04 <djphil> we can't guess, we weren't diviners :)
2020-09-15 10:16 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-15 10:21 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-15 10:23 <Ai_Austin> Hi Ubit.. if you are there.
2020-09-15 10:23 <Ubit> no
2020-09-15 10:23 <Ubit> damm
2020-09-15 10:23 <Ubit> ;)
2020-09-15 10:23 <Ai_Austin> I saw the further NPC name expire related commit last night and I just put that in place on Ailand grid
2020-09-15 10:23 <djphil> Today is your day Ubit :)
2020-09-15 10:23 <Ai_Austin> :-)
2020-09-15 10:23 <Ubit> and?
2020-09-15 10:25 <Ai_Austin> It does not fix the issue though. The effect is exactly the s me as the previous commit.  The UnknownUMM1 <uuid>  does not show,  there is no name label at all like in the previoius cokmit for the SECOND avatar top arrive on a region. Fisrt oen to TP in sees the correct NPC name, second to arrive sees no label at all
2020-09-15 10:25 <Ubit> no, it was other issue
2020-09-15 10:25 <Ai_Austin> If a user logs in directly to the region where the NPC is they see the name label.
2020-09-15 10:26 <Ubit> name label?
2020-09-15 10:26 <Ai_Austin> including a secon d avatar arriving. I tried vieer cache clear and even kill and regenate NPC and same effect
2020-09-15 10:26 <Ai_Austin> no name label shows at all on NPC for SECPND avatar to TP to the region
2020-09-15 10:26 <Ai_Austin> the previous commit wa slike that too
2020-09-15 10:27 <Ai_Austin> i.e. the npc name cache expire change made no difference to what I see. is that what you expected?
2020-09-15 10:27 <Ai_Austin> the previous commit did have the effect of hiding the UnknownUUM1 <uuid> name label
2020-09-15 10:28 <Ubit> umm1 should not show now
2020-09-15 10:28 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-15 10:29 <Ubit> both avatars did login on region?
2020-09-15 10:29 <Ai_Austin> direct login to region with NPC always shows the NOC name label correctly, if avatar is on another region and TPs to the region whefe the NPC is, the first to arrive sees the name label, the second sees blank
2020-09-15 10:30 <Ai_Austin> ahhh.. hang on.... 
2020-09-15 10:30 <Ubit> that is the OLD issue
2020-09-15 10:30 <Ubit> npc names FAIL on teleports
2020-09-15 10:30 <Ai_Austin> after a delay the name label suddenly appears!!!
2020-09-15 10:30 <Ubit> viewer side issue
2020-09-15 10:30 <Ai_Austin> ah, always?
2020-09-15 10:30 <Ubit> viewer crap
2020-09-15 10:30 <Ai_Austin> funny I never noticed it before. 
2020-09-15 10:30 <Ubit> blind :p
2020-09-15 10:31 <Ai_Austin> :-)
2020-09-15 10:31 <Ai_Austin> *-)
2020-09-15 10:31 <Ubit> i changed region to not tell anything
2020-09-15 10:31 <Ubit> so viewer will show a uuid and will retry later
2020-09-15 10:31 <Ai_Austin> maybe thats why it appears aftera  while?
2020-09-15 10:31 <Ubit> i had lost that on recent commits.. and recovered yesterday or so
2020-09-15 10:32 <Ubit> but viewers fail
2020-09-15 10:32 <Ai_Austin> okay. 
2020-09-15 10:32 <Ubit> as they fail dynamic textures
2020-09-15 10:32 <Ubit> and now even show workng environment
2020-09-15 10:32 <Ai_Austin> need to somehow note this in a FS JIRA
2020-09-15 10:32 <Ubit> bc they ask for those things to tp start region, not destiny
2020-09-15 10:32 <Ai_Austin> right
2020-09-15 10:32 <Ubit> it is on fs jira for ages
2020-09-15 10:32 <Ubit> ignored
2020-09-15 10:33 <Ubit> they don't notice it at SL ( where is is also a issue )
2020-09-15 10:33 <Ai_Austin> ... I looked to see if I could find one to add my comments and  but could not find a suitable one that had UnknownUUM1 i its text.
2020-09-15 10:33 <Ubit> but at sl all names and textures are global, so does not matter the region
2020-09-15 10:34 <Ai_Austin> do you have the FS JIRA Issue number so I can find it Ubit?
2020-09-15 10:34 <Ubit> uumw is our thing.. just a code to give a hint where it failed
2020-09-15 10:34 <Ubit> uumx
2020-09-15 10:36 <Ai_Austin> Trying to find the JIRA issue via search.. wonder what a suitable keyword or phrase would be to find the JIRA that is already there?  can anyone note this??
2020-09-15 10:39 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-15 10:44 <Ubit> i did file one ages ago
2020-09-15 10:44 <Ubit> and told beq a few times recently
2020-09-15 10:45 <Ai_Austin> Okay it will be in your own list of open issues then. I will see if I can filter to find that
2020-09-15 10:47 <Ai_Austin> https://jira.firestormviewer.org/browse/FIRE-29795
2020-09-15 10:47 <Ubit> :)
2020-09-15 10:48 <Ubit> think i had a older one
2020-09-15 10:51 <Ubit> damm stupid jira,, always fail login on that crap
2020-09-15 10:54 <Ai_Austin> I added a note to the JIRA anyway
2020-09-15 10:55 <Ai_Austin> I threw away my snapshots made yesterday unfortinately that showed the UnknownuserUMM1 UUID style label.  if you have my Image3.jpg by any chance in my e-mail yesterday, send me it back will you? It would make a good addition to the JIRA. I don't really want to revert two commits just to make a snapshot
2020-09-15 10:55 <Ubit> and reset passw link does not work
2020-09-15 10:55 <Ubit> what a stupid thing
2020-09-15 11:05 <Ubit> your coments are wrong
2020-09-15 11:05 <Ubit> gezz
2020-09-15 11:05 <Ubit> fixed he damm passwd again and added a comment there
2020-09-15 11:08 <Ai_Austin> wrong? its what I appear to be seeing?
2020-09-15 11:09 <Ubit> you only seen UnknownUserUUM1 bc i made a mistake 
2020-09-15 11:09 <Ubit> region tells nothing
2020-09-15 11:09 <Ai_Austin> ah, I see your message.. will fix
2020-09-15 11:10 <Ubit> i had it like that, messed it up a few weeks ago, fixed again
2020-09-15 11:10 <Ubit> so npcs will get a name eventually
2020-09-15 11:10 <Ubit> and also HG avatars
2020-09-15 11:10 <Ubit> same issue
2020-09-15 11:11 <Ai_Austin> right.  so its not TOO serious.  just a delay
2020-09-15 11:11 <Ubit> and it is a deeper issue, as my report told
2020-09-15 11:11 <Ubit> no it is serius
2020-09-15 11:11 <Ubit> all dynamic textures fail 
2020-09-15 11:11 <Ai_Austin> got it. will try to adjust what I said. it will act as a ping to Beq anyway :-)  as she is assignee
2020-09-15 11:11 <Ubit> evn other assets may fail on HG
2020-09-15 11:12 <Ubit> as i said environment may fail, even at SL
2020-09-15 11:15 <Ai_Austin> right.. hopefully my edited comment will not cause confusion but have the effect of reminding folks its an issue :-)
2020-09-15 11:16 <Ubit> it is a very old issue
2020-09-15 11:16 <Ai_Austin> Understood
2020-09-15 11:17 <Ubit> possible as old as capabilities feature on viewers
2020-09-15 11:18 <Ubit> never a issue at al, bc all things there are global
2020-09-15 11:18 <Ubit> except environment now
2020-09-15 11:18 <Ai_Austin> mayeb it will; get some attention if it occurs more obviously in SL too with local environment lookup. if that is cleraly wrong in some cases it may make its way up the order. I will look on jira.secondlife.com to see if there is an issue there
2020-09-15 11:18 <Ubit> err ...never a issue at SL...
2020-09-15 11:19 <Ai_Austin> you man not an issue in Linden Lsb viewer?
2020-09-15 11:19 <Ubit> think is is a ll viewer issue
2020-09-15 11:20 <Ubit> our only hope is env fails
2020-09-15 11:20 <Ubit> even so they may just had a hack for that case
2020-09-15 11:21 <Ubit> otherwise they will just keep ignoring this
2020-09-15 11:21 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-15 11:23 <Ubit> (guess fs at most will file a ll jira issue )
2020-09-15 11:24 <Ai_Austin> LL are quite responsive to their JIRAs.. they have acted on several I have entered and give reasonable feedback.  though I am still waiting for one fix that is in the Love me Render RC which seems to keep getting postponed for promotion to the default release.
2020-09-15 11:25 <Ai_Austin> I see I am listed as a contributor to the LL viewer :-)
2020-09-15 11:27 <Ai_Austin> I am up to date on 0.9.2.0 dev master with Openvue still on Visual Studio 2017//NET 4,.6 and AiLand grid now on Visual Studio 2019/.NET 4.8 - all looks good on my tests to date including HG TPs between the grids and ad on regions. Thanks Ubit. Bye for now
2020-09-15 12:10 <H-H-H> hi guys and gals is there a way for an npc to react to a person sending them money ?
2020-09-15 12:16 <Ubit> duhh send that to me instead
2020-09-15 12:16 <Ubit> :p
2020-09-15 12:20 <H-H-H> lol ubit
2020-09-15 12:43 <djphil> Something changed the behavior of my bouncing ball with YEngine and ubODE.
2020-09-15 12:43 <djphil> Before, with XEngine and ubODE it worked very well.
2020-09-15 12:43 <djphil> Demo available @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx1OVSsL7IM
2020-09-15 12:43 <djphil> Now, the rebound of the ball is done in 2 stages. It bounces a little bit first and then a second time in the normal way (the way you want it to).
2020-09-15 12:43 <djphil> Script available @ https://forums.osgrid.org/viewtopic.php?p=28424#p28424
2020-09-15 12:45 <djphil> Collisions are doubtful ...
2020-09-15 13:05 <Ubit> set bounciness to 0
2020-09-15 13:07 <Ubit> that stops ubode for doing the "first"
2020-09-15 13:09 <djphil> The result is not good
2020-09-15 13:09 <djphil> The rebound is always in 2 stages ...
2020-09-15 13:09 <djphil> There is not that with XEngine
2020-09-15 13:10 <djphil> We can easily see the difference between X in Y with this demo script ... with 0.0 or 0.5 for buo
2020-09-15 13:13 <Ubit> what u see is latency doing the collision event
2020-09-15 13:14 <djphil> This is not present with XEngine
2020-09-15 13:14 <Ubit> seen it now
2020-09-15 13:14 <djphil> In any case "visually" there is a difference
2020-09-15 13:14 <Ubit> see same with x 
2020-09-15 13:15 <Ubit> or identical
2020-09-15 13:15 <djphil> well, not on my video
2020-09-15 13:15 <Ubit> photshoped :p
2020-09-15 13:15 <djphil> arffff
2020-09-15 13:24 <djphil> Interressing, with collision_start instead of collision, it works well
2020-09-15 13:24 <Ubit> duuhh
2020-09-15 13:24 <Ubit> forgot that.. collision is BAD
2020-09-15 13:25 <djphil> why is bad ?
2020-09-15 13:25 <Ubit> flood
2020-09-15 13:25 <djphil> Well it work on X ...
2020-09-15 13:26 <djphil> so BAD vs BROKEN :p
2020-09-15 13:26 <Ubit> also fails on x
2020-09-15 13:26 <djphil> not fail on video ...
2020-09-15 13:26 <Ubit> depends i latency
2020-09-15 13:26 <Ubit> on
2020-09-15 13:27 <djphil> Higher latency on Y then ...
2020-09-15 13:29 <Ubit> yeah
2020-09-15 13:30 <djphil> Well Y is not "better" than X then on this subject
2020-09-15 13:31 <djphil> Normally Y should be better, right?
2020-09-15 13:31 <Ubit> depends on n of scripts. load etc
2020-09-15 13:32 <Ubit> on my light region y is as bed as x with _start
2020-09-15 13:32 <djphil> Well simulator starts much faster with Y
2020-09-15 13:36 <Ubit> yes x is faster compiling/loading
2020-09-15 13:36 <Ubit> but uses a lot less threads
2020-09-15 13:37 <Ubit> so more latency looping around scripts that want service
2020-09-15 13:37 <Ubit> and that depends how busy the others where etc
2020-09-15 13:39 <djphil> when you say "collision is bad", do you mean you are going to fix it in the future?
2020-09-15 13:40 <Ubit> it is bad by definition
2020-09-15 13:40 <Ubit> non stop 
2020-09-15 13:42 <djphil> there is the same "problem" with land_collision and touch?
2020-09-15 13:45 <Ubit> gezz ball movement in air is so odd at sl
2020-09-15 13:46 <djphil> hehe i test it on sl too just now :)
2020-09-15 13:46 <Ubit> have it running o Y as it did on X at my region
2020-09-15 13:47 <Ubit> seem how the ball does "jumps" in air?
2020-09-15 13:47 <Ubit> wlel mb my net .. but odd
2020-09-15 13:47 <djphil> work nicely on SL with collision OR collision_start
2020-09-15 13:48 <Ubit> collision is BAD
2020-09-15 13:48 <Ubit> :p
2020-09-15 13:48 <djphil> for you, not for sl or x
2020-09-15 13:48 <Ubit> for all
2020-09-15 13:48 <Ubit> don't be silly
2020-09-15 13:49 <djphil> i say what i see
2020-09-15 13:49 <djphil> I am connected to SL at the moment
2020-09-15 13:49 <Ubit> and you fail to understand what you see :p
2020-09-15 13:49 <djphil> true :)
2020-09-15 13:50 <Ubit> i say again.. collision sends a event while physics sees collisons.. non stop
2020-09-15 13:51 <djphil> i guess putting llSleep in collision is very bad
2020-09-15 13:51 <Ubit> on Y you where getting 3
2020-09-15 13:51 <Ubit> per each of those collisions
2020-09-15 13:51 <Ubit> for your script and 99% scripts, onle the first matters
2020-09-15 13:51 <djphil> and on X ?
2020-09-15 13:52 <Ubit> same
2020-09-15 13:52 <Ubit> thre is latency..  physics keeps sending collision events until script sees first and reacts so stopping the collision
2020-09-15 13:53 <Ubit> meanwhile gets the others while the ball is already in air
2020-09-15 13:53 <Ubit> same for the land
2020-09-15 13:54 <djphil> How do you explain that this problem does not seem to be present on SL and XEngine?
2020-09-15 13:54 <Ubit> already answered.. diferent latencies
2020-09-15 13:56 <Ubit> also diferent rates of collision event at sl
2020-09-15 13:57 <djphil> Don't you think it would be better to get closer to the result obtained on SL or with XEngine?
2020-09-15 13:57 <djphil> "Visually" it is undoubtedly better (for me)
2020-09-15 13:57 <JeffKelley> djphil: see #8756 : collision behave differently in Bullet and ubODE (and I think ubODE works more as expected, firing constantly)
2020-09-15 13:58 <djphil> the demo is with ubODE Jeff
2020-09-15 13:59 <Ubit> gezz sl now stops collision dam fast
2020-09-15 13:59 <Ubit> not as spec gezzz
2020-09-15 14:00 <djphil> @jeff: and I haven't tested with land_collision yet but I imagine the problem will be similar ...
2020-09-15 14:00 <JeffKelley> yes I know djphil, what i mean is that we can/should never rely on collision()/land_collision()
2020-09-15 14:02 <Ubit> all have variable latencies
2020-09-15 14:02 <Ubit> no matter where
2020-09-15 14:02 <Ubit> yr script is now happy on my region o Y
2020-09-15 14:02 <Ubit> kinda
2020-09-15 14:02 <Ubit> lol
2020-09-15 14:03 <Ubit> will not be happy if i drive a car also :p
2020-09-15 14:03 <Ubit> well still is
2020-09-15 14:03 <Ubit> ahh and this things are worse on win
2020-09-15 14:04 <Ubit> win adds at leas 15ms latency
2020-09-15 14:04 <JeffKelley> collision is like touch, it's a WHILE, and we can easily get the WHILE condition using the _end, _start events; collision and touched should only be used when you actually need a stream of event, then you certainly want to throttle it
2020-09-15 14:04 <Ubit> yeap
2020-09-15 14:05 <Ubit> gezz sl did crippled it a lot now
2020-09-15 14:05 <Ubit> the dam thing stops almost imediatly
2020-09-15 14:06 <Ubit> dropping a box on another its like 3 or so
2020-09-15 14:55 <djphil> Info for Ubit : Bouncing ball work fine on Sandbox Plaza III but badly on Dev Outreach
2020-09-15 14:55 <Ubit> change to _start
2020-09-15 14:55 <Ubit> and live with it :p
2020-09-15 14:56 <Ubit> ty for the repo and testing, ofc :)
2020-09-15 17:00 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-15 17:39 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-16 18:04 <osmantis> Bug #8766:04 Creators names incorrect on all rezzed assets on sim - OpenSim 0.9.2.0 Yeti Dev   ec54942719 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8766 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-16 18:05 <osmantis> Bug #8766:04 Creators names incorrect on all rezzed assets on sim - OpenSim 0.9.2.0 Yeti Dev   ec54942719 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8766 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2020-09-17 01:03 <Psi-Jack> Is it possible get a specific object with the permission to not be exportable from the grid, at all? Been really wanting this for some time for specific things.
2020-09-17 01:10 <Tampa> Unless you have god powers when something is not set with export permissions it shouldn't be able to leave
2020-09-17 01:42 <Psi-Jack> But the "Export" option is always grayed out.
2020-09-17 01:43 <Psi-Jack> Trying to understand why that is, and if it works, and if so, how to get it working to be able to restrict specific things from being exported.
2020-09-17 02:00 <BillBlight> pretty sure you have to set it while the item is in your inventory, not after it is rezzed
2020-09-17 02:03 <AliciaRaven> in sl export means can u save it to file, in os it means can u transfer it between grids, its an option that people are divided on
2020-09-17 02:03 <BillBlight> I think there may also be an ini setting associated with it
2020-09-17 02:03 <BillBlight> never really put that much thought in to it ..
2020-09-17 02:06 <AliciaRaven> to be hontest export is never going to be safe, anyone that can run a sim, can change the code to break perms, any perms
2020-09-17 02:06 <BillBlight> I'd agree or a viewer that ignores them
2020-09-17 02:07 <BillBlight> And sadly, the way a lot of people think the more you secure it the more they want to and will try to steal it ..
2020-09-17 02:08 <AliciaRaven> sure the viewer can do what it wants, but the sim can always double check that, but when the sim is also open to change, open source can never be secure
2020-09-17 02:09 <BillBlight> yep .. it is the nature of the beast, if I send it to your pc for you to see it, there is going to be some way for you to take it ..
2020-09-17 02:10 <BillBlight> Be it malicious server/region code, or viewer code, or even utilities that crawl the cache
2020-09-17 02:10 <AliciaRaven> exactly, thats that beast im wrestling with right now
2020-09-17 02:11 <BillBlight> A great example , Napster .. It was illegal to grab digital copies of music, and it could NEVER be secured to the point that the music industry said, "If you can't beat them, join them" and started providing "reasonably" priced digital music ..
2020-09-17 02:12 <AliciaRaven> yep
2020-09-17 02:13 <AliciaRaven> if it can be read by your viewer, it can be read by amyone
2020-09-17 04:16 <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, yeah, that export option in inventory is unchecked, but can't be toggled.
2020-09-17 15:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #7233 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2020-09-17 15:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: udp updates: remove a intermediat struct; move files around so clean solution before pull, or pull on clean folder
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2020-09-17 17:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ObjectPropertiesUpdate is now just entityupdate
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2020-09-17 19:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: waste  memory on a loss pool. Update resends need work.
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2020-09-17 22:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add option to only store map image asset on local cache. Note this will break viewers v1 map, osGetRegionMapTexture(), etc
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2020-09-18 22:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: use a dedicated MinHeap for updates priority
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2020-09-18 22:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove replaced code
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2020-09-19 01:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make it ugly
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2020-09-19 15:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7240: SUCCESS in 6 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7240/
2020-09-19 15:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update some eq events encoding
2020-09-19 16:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #7241 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-19 16:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7241: SUCCESS in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7241/
2020-09-19 16:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: lose less updates from pool
2020-09-19 16:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #7242 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-19 16:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7242: SUCCESS in 4 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7242/
2020-09-19 16:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change the map image asset to be global by default, as before. Local storage breaks several things so can only be used on some cases
2020-09-19 22:07 <Ubit> adding
2020-09-19 22:07 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/YEngine
2020-09-19 22:09 <JeffKelley> Thanks. May I add //YEngine: in the activation part, mentioning that regions may run both ?
2020-09-19 22:13 <JeffKelley> or just refer to http://opensimulator.org/wiki/ScriptEngines maybe
2020-09-19 22:13 <Ubit> No
2020-09-19 22:13 <Ubit> ie better not
2020-09-19 22:13 <JeffKelley> why ?
2020-09-19 22:13 <Ubit> diferent kinds of smoke ?
2020-09-19 22:14 <JeffKelley> you dont recommend running both engines, is this it ?
2020-09-19 22:15 <Ubit> updated :p
2020-09-19 22:29 <Ubit> updated :p
2020-09-20 00:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #7243 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-20 01:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7243: SUCCESS in 7 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7243/
2020-09-20 01:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let yengine understand scriptexception
2020-09-20 01:23 <Ubit> added more things to http://opensimulator.org/wiki/YEngine
2020-09-20 02:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #7244 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-20 02:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7244: SUCCESS in 5 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7244/
2020-09-20 02:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: rename Yengine option ScriptBasePath as ScriptEnginesPath to match Xengine
2020-09-20 07:14 <djphil> 
ACTION Thanks for the YEngine page and other new pages on this.

2020-09-20 12:08 <Tampa> ...and the webservers dead again
2020-09-20 12:09 <Tampa> Seriously, who is spamming it to death each sunday?
2020-09-20 12:45 <snik> hi folks hope you're all doing well, just a heads up, it looks like opensimulator.org is off-line, if anyone's capable of fixing that it would be much appreciated :)
2020-09-20 12:52 <Tampa> It's sunday, that always happens on sunday
2020-09-20 12:55 <snik> hi tampa, i know, as then when I do my routine server/opensim maintenence
2020-09-20 21:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #7245 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-20 21:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7245: SUCCESS in 5 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7245/
2020-09-20 21:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do not die tring to rez a item with a asset with uuid.Zero
2020-09-20 23:01 <Ubit> made more changes on wiki
2020-09-20 23:02 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OSSL_Implemented
2020-09-20 23:02 <Ubit> etc
2020-09-20 23:10 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsslEnable.ini
2020-09-20 23:10 <djphil> could maybe be related somewhere ...
2020-09-20 23:16 <Ubit> i did prefer to tell ppl to read the opensimdefaults.ini
2020-09-20 23:17 <Ubit> yes im lazy :p
2020-09-20 23:17 <Ubit> but any messing with that must read it 
2020-09-21 09:46 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-21 11:51 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-21 13:24 <Tampa> Were sqlite migrations forgotten in uglysky, coulda sworn they were added
2020-09-21 13:25 <Ubit> i think they are there
2020-09-21 13:25 <Ubit> added
2020-09-21 13:25 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Runtime_exceptions
2020-09-21 13:40 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/YENGtry
2020-09-21 14:05 <Tampa> A try catch, okay
2020-09-21 14:05 <Tampa> When switch case? xD
2020-09-21 14:06 <Ubit> ?
2020-09-21 14:06 <Tampa> Adding switch case also?
2020-09-21 14:06 <Ubit> its there
2020-09-21 14:06 <Ubit> well made public.. it was there for ages
2020-09-21 14:07 <Tampa> dynamic variables?
2020-09-21 14:07 <Ubit> it should be faster and more readable than is else chains
2020-09-21 14:07 <Tampa> hehe
2020-09-21 14:07 <Ubit> what dynamic vars?
2020-09-21 14:07 <Ubit> but limited to ints and strings for now
2020-09-21 14:08 <Tampa> as in like php ${$varname."_variable"}
2020-09-21 14:10 <Ubit> bs
2020-09-21 14:10 <Ubit> :p
2020-09-21 14:12 <Tampa> They are super useful if you are too lazy to deal with arrays xD
2020-09-21 14:12 <Ubit> yeha and eat all memory and cpu
2020-09-21 14:12 <Ubit> php is crap 
2020-09-21 14:17 <Tampa> Don't disrespect php
2020-09-21 14:17 <Ubit> i do
2020-09-21 14:17 <Ubit> lol
2020-09-21 14:18 <Tampa> php makes for a faster asset server than ruby or fsassets ;P
2020-09-21 14:18 <Ubit> learn how ot benchmark :p
2020-09-21 14:20 <Tampa> I don't have to, someone already did https://blog.zetamex.com/posts/2016/09/php-sas-performance/
2020-09-21 14:22 <osmantis> Bug #8772:04 llGetSunDirection() returns always <0,0,0> 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8772 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-21 14:22 <Tampa> The slow part is mysql in most cases, haven't really dialed that in yet, throw more cpu and memory at it and it still won't run any quicker
2020-09-21 14:22 <Tampa> Curse you tcp
2020-09-21 14:22 <Tampa> Also curse udp, but uh... hm
2020-09-21 14:22 <Tampa> Nevermind
2020-09-21 14:40 <Ubit> udp on grid assets?
2020-09-21 14:40 <Ubit> nahh
2020-09-21 15:10 <Ubit> made more changes on wiki :)
2020-09-21 15:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #7246 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-21 15:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7246: SUCCESS in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7246/
2020-09-21 15:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a comment to YEngine NumThreadScriptWorkers
2020-09-21 20:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #7247 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-21 20:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7247: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7247/
2020-09-21 20:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: actually make yExceptionMessage and yExceptionTypeName avaiable
2020-09-21 21:25 <djphil> ||     logical OR     integer isTrue = (FALSE || TRUE);
2020-09-21 21:25 <djphil> &&     logical AND     integer isFalse = (FALSE && TRUE);
2020-09-21 21:26 <djphil> oops wrong windows :p
2020-09-21 21:28 <djphil> Things here all seem to be valid for Opensim too http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LSL_Operators
2020-09-21 21:31 <JeffKelley> LSL don't short-circuit boolean expressions evaluation, that's why we have &&& and ||| in case you rely on side-effect evaluating the right member of && and ||
2020-09-21 21:34 <djphil> We could possibly retrieve the table from SL with the COMPLETE list of operators accepted on opensim ...
2020-09-21 21:35 <JeffKelley> wut?
2020-09-21 21:35 <djphil> the first table here http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LSL_Operators
2020-09-21 21:45 <Ubit> ??
2020-09-21 21:47 <Ubit> well fear dj still needs to understand the dif btw logic and binary AND and OR ;)
2020-09-21 21:47 <djphil> I understood this Ubit ... for years
2020-09-21 21:47 <Ubit> really? cool ;)
2020-09-21 21:48 <djphil> Simply I find that a complete list of operators available in opensim is an interesting information and I would like to integrate it into the opensim wiki.
2020-09-21 21:48 <Ubit> and ofc lsl operators need to do the same on opensim as they do at sl
2020-09-21 21:49 <djphil> I'm looking for the right place to place it
2020-09-21 21:49 <Ubit> thats on LSL that we tell ppl to see at sl wiki
2020-09-21 21:49 <djphil> Unless you tell me "no" then I won't place it
2020-09-21 21:49 <Ubit> same for flow control things
2020-09-21 21:50 <Ubit> even types
2020-09-21 21:50 <Ubit> think we have nothing about those things
2020-09-21 21:50 <JeffKelley> why duplicate the reference, djphil ?
2020-09-21 21:51 <Ubit> guess we should have our own one day
2020-09-21 21:51 <djphil> Il est déjà partiellement dupliqué jeff
2020-09-21 21:51 <Ubit> i may ask digiworld their lsl pages ??
2020-09-21 21:51 <JeffKelley> lol
2020-09-21 21:51 <Ubit> well those are a clone of a older wiki
2020-09-21 21:54 <JeffKelley> what we may remind is this sentence from the reference : "Both sides (of a boolean expression) are evaluated regardless of the the truth of either side" because that's a deviation from other languages and explain the raison d'être of &&&, |||
2020-09-21 21:54 <Ubit> i meant this one http://lslwiki.digiworldz.com/
2020-09-21 21:55 <Ubit> oh there is a jump ??
2020-09-21 21:55 <Ubit> so ugly lol
2020-09-21 21:56 <Ubit> never used that.. forgot it did exist
2020-09-21 21:59 <djphil> [Wizardry and Steamworks] use a lot jump >>> https://grimore.org/
2020-09-21 22:09 <Ubit> i used a lot of goto on basic :)
2020-09-21 22:11 <Ubit> there was a big thing against goto and jump, but most languages do have it
2020-09-21 22:12 <Ubit> we had no need for for() while() etc
2020-09-21 22:12 <Ubit> those are ifs and jumps
2020-09-21 22:12 <Ubit> but mk things a lot easier to read
2020-09-21 22:13 <Ubit> i did had macros to mk them in assembly :)
2020-09-21 22:13 <JeffKelley> only case  I use goto is to exit prematurely a routine, branching to cleanup/deallocate code before return
2020-09-21 22:13 <djphil> Have you planned a data storage system for the future of Y
2020-09-21 22:14 <Ubit> well Y now adds break
2020-09-21 22:14 <djphil> yes that fine :)
2020-09-21 22:14 <Ubit> and continue
2020-09-21 22:14 <Ubit> ( actually break did work on X :p )
2020-09-21 22:14 <Ubit> but bc a bug on it
2020-09-21 22:15 <djphil> well we have jump on X
2020-09-21 22:15 <Ubit> its spec to have it
2020-09-21 22:15 <Ubit> i just had forgotten about it :)
2020-09-21 22:17 <djphil> time to jump to my bed, ciao :)
2020-09-21 22:17 <Ubit> :)
2020-09-21 22:17 <Ubit> jump easy.. don't break the bed :)
2020-09-21 22:18 <djphil> do not invite me to continue :p
2020-09-22 06:58 <osmantis> Bug #8771:04 Map cannot find a grid on the same host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8771 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-22 07:03 <osmantis> Bug #8769:04 Constant not expanded in Include- directive 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8769 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-22 07:12 <osmantis> Bug #8771:04 Map cannot find a grid on the same host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8771 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-22 08:37 <osmantis> Bug #8771:04 Map cannot find a grid on the same host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8771 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-22 12:17 <djphil> Do you know this opensim wiki page?
2020-09-22 12:17 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/ScriptEngines
2020-09-22 12:17 <djphil> She seems to ignore the existence of YEngine
2020-09-22 12:18 <Ubit> yeah
2020-09-22 12:21 <djphil> Solved :)
2020-09-22 12:22 <Ubit> seem my changes?
2020-09-22 12:22 <djphil> yep, i track you on "RecentChanges"
2020-09-22 12:23 <Ubit> :)
2020-09-22 12:25 <JeffKelley> djphil, while you are hot, mind you clean http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Scripting_Documentation ? Move up Additional Resources for Scripting (OSSL)  near the LSL section and remove duplicates?
2020-09-22 12:26 <djphil> Do you have a karcher for me jeff ?
2020-09-22 12:26 <JeffKelley> no, but I have a flamethrower
2020-09-22 12:27 <djphil> it will do :)
2020-09-22 14:00 <osmantis> Bug #8773:04 Viewer logs warning for cannot find capability 'RetrieveNavMeshSrc' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8773 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-09-22 16:25 <osmantis> Bug #8773:04 Viewer logs warning for cannot find capability 'RetrieveNavMeshSrc' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8773 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-22 16:40 <BillBlight> Pretty sure the dev meeting is still in 20 minutes, did the euro folks change time yet?
2020-09-22 16:42 <Ubit> no, we change time on last sunday of oct  ie 25th
2020-09-22 16:43 <Ubit> usa changed already??
2020-09-22 16:43 <BillBlight> no we change November 1
2020-09-22 16:44 <BillBlight> was thinking I read somewhere part of europe changed already .. Maybe not
2020-09-22 16:44 <Ubit> think most eu has same rule as we do
2020-09-22 16:44 <Ubit> well brits are strange ppl :p
2020-09-22 16:44 <BillBlight> HAHA
2020-09-22 16:44 <Ubit> they may declare that summer is actually winter
2020-09-22 16:45 <Ubit> on main britain .. 
2020-09-22 16:49 <Ubit> nahh uk still on rest of eu rules
2020-09-22 16:49 <BillBlight> ahh OK then, not for another hour then ..
2020-09-22 16:49 <Ubit> logic choice.. last sunday of March and oct
2020-09-22 16:49 <BillBlight> HAHA
2020-09-22 16:50 <Ubit> did wakeup just now?
2020-09-22 16:50 <Ubit> :)
2020-09-22 16:51 <Ubit> decision to not change on EU still postponed
2020-09-22 16:52 <Ubit> well to 2021
2020-09-22 16:53 <Ubit> bahh each cnt will chose if stays on summer or winter time
2020-09-22 16:53 <Ubit> that is SO silly
2020-09-22 17:59 <BillBlight> Plugh meow meeting meow
2020-09-22 19:21 <osmantis> Bug #8771:04 Map cannot find a grid on the same host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8771 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-23 08:21 <osmantis> Bug #8773:04 Viewer logs warning for cannot find capability 'RetrieveNavMeshSrc' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8773 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-23 08:29 <osmantis> Bug #8773:04 Viewer logs warning for cannot find capability 'RetrieveNavMeshSrc' 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8773 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-23 08:34 <osmantis> Bug #8771:04 Map cannot find a grid on the same host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8771 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-23 08:34 <osmantis> Bug #8771:04 Map cannot find a grid on the same host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8771 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-23 09:17 <JeffKelley> tampa: I don' understand how I can go from grid1.domain to grid2.domain without a port. Ultimately, you need a port to open a TCP connection. How do you know it is 8002, or 9000 or 4444 ? 
2020-09-23 09:21 <Ubit> one thing is grid other is regions
2020-09-23 09:23 <Ubit> and a grid may have at least one secure and one unsecure port
2020-09-23 09:23 <Ubit> etc
2020-09-23 09:25 <Ubit> well ill review all that.. again :p
2020-09-23 09:25 <Ubit> currently that is also a total mess.. each module or even part of module does its own thing
2020-09-23 09:26 <JeffKelley> I catch the idea that there may be multiple homeURI for a grid (i've seen aliases)
2020-09-23 09:26 <Ubit> even several entries on the config files for the same
2020-09-23 09:26 <Ubit> well alias is other other issues.. grids change names
2020-09-23 09:26 <JeffKelley> yes, but you may never omit the port designating an external grid
2020-09-23 09:27 <Ubit> yes u do :p
2020-09-23 09:27 <JeffKelley> so, i want to go to nice.grid.com, how the viewer or opensimiulator guesses it is installed on port 4444 ?
2020-09-23 09:27 <Ubit> well mb extending the alias thing.. dunno
2020-09-23 09:28 <JeffKelley> work in progress ?
2020-09-23 09:28 <Ubit> isn't that opensim? :p
2020-09-23 09:28 <Ubit> and HG well 
2020-09-23 09:29 <JeffKelley> HG may be suboptimal but it is essential to opensim
2020-09-23 09:29 <Ubit> ofc it is
2020-09-23 09:29 <Ubit> so are standalones
2020-09-23 09:29 <JeffKelley> we know we abuse the viewer
2020-09-23 09:30 <Ubit> well and that is a fail still
2020-09-23 09:30 <JeffKelley> HG a fail ?
2020-09-23 09:30 <Ubit> yeap
2020-09-23 09:31 <JeffKelley> quote : "it could be better"
2020-09-23 09:31 <Ubit> several things will never work without viewer side code
2020-09-23 09:32 <Ubit> suitcase..  yeach  bad
2020-09-23 09:32 <Ubit> viewers do not accept messing with system folders that well
2020-09-23 09:32 <JeffKelley> are you thinking of talking directly to the services instead of proxying by the region?
2020-09-23 09:33 <Ubit> can't even think much about that.. viewers define that :p
2020-09-23 09:34 <JeffKelley> no way ;(
2020-09-23 09:34 <Ubit> and on several cases viewer fall ll changes... only talking to a SL url lol
2020-09-23 09:34 <Tampa> nginx proxy_pass along with server_name directives and you can do away with ports on the "outside"
2020-09-23 09:34 <Ubit> or doing as fs 6.0.2 did.. assume all assets url is the same after login
2020-09-23 09:34 <Ubit> that killed HG
2020-09-23 09:35 <Ubit> no one did notice, bc it is on http assets fecth, that we can turn off
2020-09-23 09:35 <Ubit> first time i made it work, all ppl at lbsa started to cry.. i can't dance :p
2020-09-23 09:36 <JeffKelley> Tampa: you have to specify the port nginx is listening to, it can listen to all ports
2020-09-23 09:36 <JeffKelley> do they really need to dance ?
2020-09-23 09:37 <JeffKelley> s /can listen/can't listen/
2020-09-23 09:37 <Tampa> http
2020-09-23 09:38 <JeffKelley> http does not imply 80, www does
2020-09-23 09:38 <Ubit> well possible eep was the last viewer change we could integrate
2020-09-23 09:38 <JeffKelley> shocking
2020-09-23 09:39 <Ubit> future ll changes will make viewers totally dep on their own infrastructure
2020-09-23 09:39 <Ubit> and tpvs will not keep code just for us
2020-09-23 09:41 <Ubit> well and we don't have a eep viewer even
2020-09-23 09:42 <Tampa> "JeffKelley> http does not imply 80, www does" I don't even
2020-09-23 09:42 <Tampa> what
2020-09-23 09:42 <Tampa> no
2020-09-23 09:48 <JeffKelley> FS 6.4.5 is eep
2020-09-23 09:49 <Ubit> but is beta
2020-09-23 09:49 <JeffKelley> yeah, can't do much with
2020-09-23 09:49 <Ubit> main code got more things from sl
2020-09-23 09:49 <Ubit> release will not be that possible
2020-09-23 09:49 <JeffKelley> we don't get eep yet and we are loosing wl
2020-09-23 09:50 <Ubit> losing wl ?
2020-09-23 09:50 <JeffKelley> shouldn't windlight be obsolete ?
2020-09-23 09:50 <Ubit> it should work
2020-09-23 09:51 <Ubit> but ppl using eep need to consider wl 
2020-09-23 09:51 <Ubit> ie setting things
2020-09-23 09:51 <JeffKelley> yes, but we loosed WL controls in FS eep
2020-09-23 09:51 <Ubit> what controls?
2020-09-23 09:51 <Ubit> eep includes basicly it all
2020-09-23 09:53 <JeffKelley> since i use FS 6.4.5, all my skies are grey, i'm unable to set time of day (except from World>Environment), set clouds, stars, etc
2020-09-23 09:53 <JeffKelley> there is not a single cloud
2020-09-23 09:53 <Ubit> as i told on mantis, that is set on the sky tracks
2020-09-23 09:54 <JeffKelley> too complex imho
2020-09-23 09:54 <Ubit> and that did not work on wl alos
2020-09-23 09:54 <JeffKelley> yep
2020-09-23 09:55 <Ubit> recent wl viewers had removed that
2020-09-23 09:55 <Ubit> ( estate time etc )
2020-09-23 09:56 <Ubit> time basicly means sun and moon position
2020-09-23 09:56 <Ubit> you need to set those on the skies
2020-09-23 09:56 <JeffKelley> weird thing, when i log on my 9.1 stadalone i see a nice starry sky but once i return back home; it's grey/blue sky, no stars at all
2020-09-23 09:57 <Ubit> and real time, you can only set using utc offset
2020-09-23 09:57 <Ubit> warning:  viewers do a mess on tps.. tehy can ask to start region about destiny environment
2020-09-23 09:58 <Ubit> same old issue, that breaks dyn textures, npc names etc
2020-09-23 09:58 <Ubit> and its kinda random.. a timing thing
2020-09-23 09:59 <JeffKelley> but i just want my starry night ! :)
2020-09-23 09:59 <Ubit> no idea
2020-09-23 09:59 <Ubit> seems working for me.. well not yr sky lol
2020-09-23 10:00 <JeffKelley> oh! and now the sea is cobalt blue
2020-09-23 10:00 <Ubit> to validate that you do have all assets, don't forget to clear viewer cache
2020-09-23 10:00 <JeffKelley> that's not eep, that's lsd
2020-09-23 10:00 <Ubit> or you may see things u got on other grids
2020-09-23 10:01 <Ubit> lsd?  ok now i understand why u see odd things :p
2020-09-23 10:01 <Ubit> and eep is llsd
2020-09-23 10:02 <Ubit> actually makes no sense to say eep is llsd
2020-09-23 10:02 <Ubit> llsd is a serialization format.. 
2020-09-23 10:03 <Ubit> actuall 3 formats.. details
2020-09-23 10:04 <JeffKelley> for this eep thing, i think it is urgent to wait
2020-09-23 10:05 <Ubit> "urgent to wait" fun idea :)
2020-09-23 10:05 <JeffKelley> 'till it is rigged
2020-09-23 10:06 <Ubit> well ive no idea what singu and alch are doing on that
2020-09-23 10:06 <JeffKelley> for now, residents are crazy about BOM
2020-09-23 10:06 <Ubit> non eep viewers have issues now
2020-09-23 10:07 <Ubit> well except fs and dayturn, etc
2020-09-23 10:08 <JeffKelley> FS 6.0 still ok on Yeti
2020-09-23 10:08 <Ubit> those should work on on 0.9.2
2020-09-23 10:08 <Ubit> well avoid 6.0.2 bc that assets issue
2020-09-23 10:08 <Ubit> http assets are now on by default
2020-09-23 10:09 <JeffKelley> I use 6.4.5 daily and no special issue yet
2020-09-23 10:10 <Ubit> possible they should release it for opensim
2020-09-23 10:10 <JeffKelley> 6.4.5 ?
2020-09-23 10:10 <Ubit> yeap
2020-09-23 10:10 <JeffKelley> (let me check, i think is _is_ for opensim)
2020-09-23 10:10 <Ubit> their master has more sl changes
2020-09-23 10:11 <Ubit> and they are behind sl a lot :)
2020-09-23 10:11 <Ubit> sl is making a lot of changes
2020-09-23 10:11 <JeffKelley> Firestorm Beta 6.4.5 (60799) EEP! Release for Opensim
2020-09-23 10:11 <Ubit> well they are fixing eep issues
2020-09-23 10:11 <Tampa> They are behind OpenSim by a country mile
2020-09-23 10:11 <Ubit> seems water is a big fps killer currently
2020-09-23 10:12 <Tampa> No viewer ever fixed that water shader also
2020-09-23 10:12 <Ubit> water reflections i think
2020-09-23 10:12 <djphil> Is OpenStorm already dead?
2020-09-23 10:12 <Ubit> need ask Bill
2020-09-23 10:20 <JeffKelley> oh ! new folder type, 56. One more using place in my inventory for nothing
2020-09-23 10:21 <Ubit> type does not mean use  duhhh
2020-09-23 10:22 <JeffKelley> the gremlins will-re-create if I delete it
2020-09-23 10:22 <Ubit> viewer my want one as system folder
2020-09-23 10:23 <Ubit> but think not
2020-09-23 14:47 <djphil> @Ubit : Do you have infos about JsonTestStore and JsonTestpath
2020-09-23 14:47 <djphil> The 1st is included in "Basic Functions" and YEngine says "No implemented"
2020-09-23 14:47 <djphil> The 2nd is not included in "Basic Functions" and YEngine says "No implemented" BUT is used in the examples offered ...
2020-09-23 14:47 <djphil> For information, I corrected all the scripts on the following page:
2020-09-23 14:47 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/JsonStore_Module
2020-09-23 14:47 <djphil> There were errors everywhere, a real horror !!!
2020-09-23 15:22 <Ubit> that info is old
2020-09-23 15:22 <Ubit> no idea
2020-09-23 15:22 <Ubit> i don't like that module at all :p
2020-09-23 15:24 <djphil> yeah, i know you don't like it :p
2020-09-23 15:45 <Plugh> Which module?
2020-09-23 15:46 <djphil> JsonStore
2020-09-23 15:47 <djphil> Somewhere over there http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=tree&p=opensim&h=0f07e4185a30abedb1054732d3e92066f55a4de2&hb=d2e7c711b4188106a89f28d54ada3cd76c697705&f=OpenSim/Region/OptionalModules/Scripting/JsonStore
2020-09-23 15:48 <djphil> wiki ref : http://opensimulator.org/wiki/JsonStore_Module
2020-09-23 15:50 <djphil> The question I asked above (you weren't there) is:
2020-09-23 15:50 <djphil> Do you have infos about JsonTestStore and JsonTestpath
2020-09-23 15:50 <djphil> <djphil> The 1st is included in "Basic Functions" and YEngine says "No implemented"
2020-09-23 15:50 <djphil> <djphil> The 2nd is not included in "Basic Functions" and YEngine says "No implemented" BUT is used in the examples offered ...
2020-09-23 15:56 <djphil> There was also JsonGetValueJson in an example script ...
2020-09-23 15:56 <djphil> JsonGetValueJson does not exist but JsonGetValue exists
2020-09-23 16:21 <Ubit> ohh think i did run a test script and it worked fine a few days ago
2020-09-23 16:21 <Ubit> bill also did run it
2020-09-23 16:21 <Ubit> we both seen hoe bad it is :p
2020-09-23 16:21 <Ubit> and .. how...
2020-09-23 16:22 <djphil> Yes that was this script http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OSSL_Script_Library/JsonStore
2020-09-23 16:22 <djphil> But I'm talking to you about something else
2020-09-23 16:24 <djphil> And the majority of scripts here http://opensimulator.org/wiki/JsonStore_Module contained errors
2020-09-23 16:24 <djphil> But I corrected all of that today
2020-09-23 18:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #7248 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-23 18:24 <Ubit> oops
2020-09-23 18:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7248: FAILURE in 2 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7248/
2020-09-23 18:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a class to store and process some grid information. For now just gatekeeper url
2020-09-23 18:26 <Ubit> what hell
2020-09-23 18:27 <Ubit> after runprebuild it compiled
2020-09-23 18:27 <Ubit> vodoo
2020-09-23 18:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #7249 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7247 1 day 21 hr ago)
2020-09-23 18:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7249: STILL FAILING in 1 min 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7249/
2020-09-23 18:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor cleanup
2020-09-23 18:32 <Ubit> ok fun tests
2020-09-23 18:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #7250 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #7247 1 day 21 hr ago)
2020-09-23 18:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7250: STILL FAILING in 1 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7250/
2020-09-23 18:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let tests get a serverURI
2020-09-23 18:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #7251 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #7247 1 day 22 hr ago)
2020-09-23 18:55 <JeffKelley> beware of CNAMEs
2020-09-23 18:56 <Ubit> why can't we tp to a grid that is not running.. fuhh
2020-09-23 18:56 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-09-23 18:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7251: FIXED in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7251/
2020-09-23 18:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let Util.GetHostFromDNS do its job if name is a ip
2020-09-23 18:59 <Ubit> on nice.. viewer uses start grid map service after hj tp
2020-09-23 18:59 <Ubit> HG tp
2020-09-23 19:03 <Ubit> odd thid was workig
2020-09-23 19:10 <Ubit> oh a issue on my grid.. somewhere
2020-09-23 19:57 <Ubit> duuu
2020-09-23 19:57 <Ubit>  MapTileURL = "http://maptiles.osgrid.org:80"
2020-09-23 19:57 <Ubit> im so silly
2020-09-23 20:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #7252 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-09-23 20:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7252: SUCCESS in 4 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7252/
2020-09-23 20:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
2020-09-23 21:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #7253 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-23 21:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7253: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7253/
2020-09-23 21:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: give more use to GridInfo for gatekeeper url
2020-09-23 22:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #7254 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-23 22:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7254: SUCCESS in 4 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7254/
2020-09-23 22:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
2020-09-23 22:59 <osmantis> Bug #8771:04 Map cannot find a grid on the same host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8771 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-23 23:14 <osmantis> Bug #8771:04 Map cannot find a grid on the same host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8771 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-24 03:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #7255 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2020-09-24 03:14 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add HomeURI to GridInfo
2020-09-24 03:14 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: use it on entitytransfer also
2020-09-24 04:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #7256 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-24 04:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7256: SUCCESS in 4 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7256/
2020-09-24 04:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: replace incoerent UserAgentsService config
2020-09-24 06:15 <JeffKelley> I see some red ink at termination : [UTIL]: Util STP threadfunc 5 terminated with error (MANTIS 8726). Not sure it's a conf. mistake or other. Putting aside.
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2020-09-24 23:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #7257 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2020-09-24 23:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: shutup a log and fix a small bug
2020-09-25 01:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #7258 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-25 01:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7258: SUCCESS in 5 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7258/
2020-09-25 01:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: stop using yengine math inlines, this have cast issues, just use lsl api, plus cosmetics
2020-09-25 09:35 <djphil> @danbanner : http://name2key.osgrid.org/?name=Nebadon%20Tester
2020-09-25 10:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #7259 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-25 10:46 <Ubit> oops
2020-09-25 10:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7259: SUCCESS in 5 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7259/
2020-09-25 10:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: more on GridInfo
2020-09-25 10:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #7260 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-25 10:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7260: SUCCESS in 4 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7260/
2020-09-25 10:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: more on GridInfo, fix HasHGConfig
2020-09-25 12:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #7261 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-25 12:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7261: SUCCESS in 4 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7261/
2020-09-25 12:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: more on GridInfo, and profiles
2020-09-25 17:31 <JeffKelley> Added a note to MANTIS but notifications seem broken : map search is not anchored at beginning of string
2020-09-25 17:37 <BillBlight> That is the way it is supposed to work now, map search will return any regions containing the string ..
2020-09-25 17:37 <JeffKelley> hope you have not a region named COMmunity
2020-09-25 17:38 <BillBlight> no just means if you know more of the name search for more than the first 3 .. comm for example
2020-09-25 17:39 <JeffKelley> usually, users type the beginning, not the middle
2020-09-25 17:39 <BillBlight> Maybe YOUR users
2020-09-25 17:41 <BillBlight> A good example of this is a Sandbox, you search for "sandbox" the old way would only get regions that started with it, the current way will get, "Public Sandbox", "My Sandbox", "good sandbox" and "Sandbox Plaza" etc etc ..
2020-09-25 17:42 <BillBlight> and If I'm not mistaken it is also the way SL functions
2020-09-25 17:45 <BillBlight> Also pretty sure this change was made well over a year ago
2020-09-25 17:45 <JeffKelley> really? i just see it today
2020-09-25 17:48 <BillBlight> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=e5238cadf7aa73d52113bcec53cc8bbed0bd4a6f
2020-09-25 17:48 <BillBlight> 	2018-07-07 01:26:16
2020-09-25 17:49 <JeffKelley> dunno why but thta's the first time i see this behaviour
2020-09-25 18:03 <JeffKelley> precisely : i've never seen it in action because i'm on small grids with few chance of multiple name matches. What is actually new is the presence of HG results. 'sandbox' returns alls the known HG sandboxes, plus the local one
2020-09-25 18:12 <BillBlight> many of us run an occasional sql script to get rid of old HG links
2020-09-25 18:13 <BillBlight> DELETE FROM regions WHERE regionName LIKE '%http%';
2020-09-25 18:14 <JeffKelley> grids don't persist hg regions
2020-09-25 18:14 <BillBlight> they do
2020-09-25 18:14 <BillBlight> they are written to the regions table
2020-09-25 18:15 <BillBlight> HG links are stored there as regions
2020-09-25 18:16 <JeffKelley> mysql> SELECT * FROM regions WHERE regionName LIKE '%http%';
2020-09-25 18:16 <JeffKelley> Empty set (0.00 sec)
2020-09-25 18:16 <BillBlight> https://i.gyazo.com/007e8985a51b0675fc47d8addcff7d69.png
2020-09-25 18:17 <BillBlight> if you use a separate DB for your region then it will be in that DB not the main one
2020-09-25 18:18 <BillBlight> https://i.gyazo.com/3682cee4e6f319336f289e89a1c7f193.png
2020-09-25 18:19 <JeffKelley> i use a separate DB for my regions but there is no 'regions' table in it
2020-09-25 18:19 <BillBlight> So for instance if you are using sqllite for you regions it would be in there
2020-09-25 18:20 <JeffKelley> mysql
2020-09-25 18:20 <BillBlight> well then you have something "not normal" because that is the way it works
2020-09-25 18:21 <BillBlight> It's not pulling those linked regions that you see on the search out of it's imagination
2020-09-25 18:23 <Tampa> By default they should not be in there, unless you set it to create an actual linked region upon HG teleport or something
2020-09-25 18:23 <JeffKelley> ah! an option in the inis, maybe?
2020-09-25 18:24 <BillBlight> This is the default behavior of the HGlinker , pretty damn sure
2020-09-25 18:24 <BillBlight> well for grid mode, don't know about stand alone
2020-09-25 18:49 <Ubit> think there is also a in memory db for hg links
2020-09-25 18:50 <Ubit> the static links code is still there
2020-09-25 18:50 <JeffKelley> static is when linked from the console ?
2020-09-25 18:51 <Ubit> original idea was that you could define permanent links to anywhere and see around your region regions from severla grids
2020-09-25 18:51 <Ubit> not only im map but actually see them and even cross
2020-09-25 18:51 <Ubit> nice idea .. on paper..
2020-09-25 18:52 <Ubit> wiki still describes that i think
2020-09-25 18:52 <Ubit> just nahh a big pratical fail
2020-09-25 18:53 <BillBlight> yeah , you can still "kind of" make it work ,but overall NOPE
2020-09-25 18:53 <Ubit> now hg links are created as needed and a proxy is placed on map at y = 0
2020-09-25 18:53 <JeffKelley> i've never seen hg regions in ROBUST's regions table, only in standalones ; this may be my way to configure grids
2020-09-25 18:54 <Ubit> yeah a lot of old code still aroung, inc comands
2020-09-25 18:54 <Ubit> most work had not been on redefine that.. just make tps actually work
2020-09-25 18:56 <JeffKelley> link-region syntax is horrible
2020-09-25 18:57 <Ubit> hope no one uses that now :P
2020-09-25 18:58 <JeffKelley> testing
2020-09-25 19:01 <Ubit> think old viewers work better on that model
2020-09-25 19:01 <Ubit> v1 ones
2020-09-25 19:02 <JeffKelley> link-region 7000 7000 "http://hg.osgrid.org:80/Sandbox Plaza"
2020-09-25 19:02 <JeffKelley> mysql> SELECT regionName FROM regions WHERE regionName LIKE '%http%';
2020-09-25 19:02 <JeffKelley> +--------------------------+
2020-09-25 19:02 <JeffKelley> | regionName               |
2020-09-25 19:03 <JeffKelley> +--------------------------+
2020-09-25 19:03 <JeffKelley> | http://hg.osgrid.org:80/ |
2020-09-25 19:03 <JeffKelley> +--------------------------+
2020-09-25 19:03 <JeffKelley> 1 row in set (0.00 sec)
2020-09-25 19:03 <Ubit> modern ones are more one grid only viewers than older ones
2020-09-25 19:07 <JeffKelley> I think the wiki is wrong here : A standalone will contain Common, Services and Simulator tables, with the exception of the regions table, which is not currently persisted for standalones. 
2020-09-25 19:09 <Ubit> there is such a table still
2020-09-25 19:09 <BillBlight> if  you set your standalone to use some storage other than NULL it will persist ..
2020-09-25 19:13 <BillBlight> By default from the INI
2020-09-25 19:13 <BillBlight> [GridService]
2020-09-25 19:13 <BillBlight>     LocalServiceModule = "OpenSim.Services.GridService.dll:GridService"
2020-09-25 19:13 <BillBlight>     Realm = "regions"
2020-09-25 19:13 <BillBlight>     StorageProvider = "OpenSim.Data.Null.dll"
2020-09-25 19:14 <BillBlight> [GridService]
2020-09-25 19:14 <BillBlight>     ;; For in-memory region storage (default)
2020-09-25 19:14 <BillBlight>     StorageProvider = "OpenSim.Data.Null.dll:NullRegionData"
2020-09-25 19:15 <BillBlight> if you don't replace those , you will have no persistent region data
2020-09-25 19:15 <BillBlight> [GridService]
2020-09-25 19:15 <BillBlight>     ;; For in-memory region storage (default)
2020-09-25 19:15 <BillBlight>     StorageProvider = "OpenSim.Data.Null.dll:NullRegionData"
2020-09-25 19:15 <BillBlight>     ;;--- For MySql region storage (alternative)
2020-09-25 19:15 <BillBlight>     ;StorageProvider = "OpenSim.Data.MySQL.dll:MySqlRegionData"
2020-09-25 19:15 <Ubit> that map search may also depend on if the viewer incorporated plugh change or not
2020-09-25 19:15 <BillBlight> ^^
2020-09-25 19:16 <BillBlight> that too
2020-09-25 19:16 <BillBlight> but I think it is in all the newer FS
2020-09-25 19:16 <Ubit> yeah fs did
2020-09-25 19:18 <JeffKelley> BillBlight: the screenshot you shared is from the ROBUST db or the simulator  db ?
2020-09-25 19:18 <BillBlight> one is from robust the second one is from simulator
2020-09-25 19:19 <BillBlight> the second one is from an attached osgrid region , running mysql as storage with the Null storage providers changed to mysql
2020-09-25 19:19 <JeffKelley> so, you have a 'regions" table in a simulator db ?
2020-09-25 19:19 <BillBlight> yep
2020-09-25 19:20 <BillBlight> most likely one of your gridservice looks like this ..
2020-09-25 19:20 <BillBlight> [GridService]
2020-09-25 19:20 <BillBlight>     ;; For in-memory region storage (default)
2020-09-25 19:20 <BillBlight>     StorageProvider = "OpenSim.Data.Null.dll:NullRegionData"
2020-09-25 19:20 <BillBlight>     ;;--- For MySql region storage (alternative)
2020-09-25 19:20 <BillBlight>     ;StorageProvider = "OpenSim.Data.MySQL.dll:MySqlRegionData"
2020-09-25 19:20 <BillBlight> if it is the NullRegionData it does not write to mysql
2020-09-25 19:26 <JeffKelley> config get GridService StorageProvider : OpenSim.Data.Null.dll:NullRegionData
2020-09-25 19:26 <BillBlight> So yours is only being stored in volatile memory
2020-09-25 19:27 <JeffKelley> yes, and i'm searching in my inis why
2020-09-25 19:33 <JeffKelley> because it is not there
2020-09-25 19:37 <JeffKelley> it is in StandaloneCommon.ini (and I configure it to mysql) ; it is not in GridCommon.ini
2020-09-25 19:39 <Tampa> Like I said, by default it is not configured to save because you are unlikely to need this data and if the remote data changes you also end up with dead links. If you really want to keep them you can configure it like Bill did, but you then have to remember to clean it as it does not do so on its own.
2020-09-25 19:40 <Tampa> Robust can make a lot of mess, but also yield some interesting data, each to their own I suppose
2020-09-25 19:43 <JeffKelley> in grid mode, you have no choice, correct?
2020-09-25 19:45 <BillBlight> one of the reasons to use it in mysql is so you can manipulate or clean the data, you can't if it is only in memory , short of a restart of regions
2020-09-25 19:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #7262 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-25 19:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7262: SUCCESS in 5 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7262/
2020-09-25 19:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: more on GridInfo, and inventory
2020-09-25 20:00 <Tampa> uhuhu that's gonna annoy some folks lol
2020-09-25 20:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #7263 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-25 20:01 <Ubit> why?
2020-09-25 20:02 <Tampa> I know some folks were using this along with a patch to setup regions connected to the same grid but different "outside" locations
2020-09-25 20:02 <Tampa> Equally bs like grid-in-grid
2020-09-25 20:02 <Ubit> no idea.. and if they already have a patch, then change it
2020-09-25 20:03 <Ubit> not going to let you set one on hypergrid and then chnage it on hg inventory
2020-09-25 20:03 <Tampa> It does not make sense, but you know how some people are
2020-09-25 20:04 <Ubit> ok gatekeeper is next :p
2020-09-25 20:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7263: SUCCESS in 5 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7263/
2020-09-25 20:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: on regions define HomeURI only at [Hypergrid], stop having it all over, and worse overriding that, a region is only member of one grid at a time
2020-09-25 20:05 <Ubit> i also did centralize the parsing, read etc of that
2020-09-25 20:05 <Tampa> Already have to redo all my configs, might as well throw more things under the bus
2020-09-25 20:05 <Ubit> now each scene gets its own info 
2020-09-25 20:06 <Ubit> well bc i was lazy to mk it static on the all instance
2020-09-25 20:06 <Ubit> that also allows the Alias to work
2020-09-25 20:09 <Tampa> Remind me again why OpenId and Authentication Service aren't the same...
2020-09-25 20:10 <Tampa> Could combine them as well
2020-09-25 20:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #7264 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-25 20:16 <Ubit> well home alias, not that usefull
2020-09-25 20:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7264: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7264/
2020-09-25 20:19 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: on regions config make HomeURIAlias visible
2020-09-25 20:19 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: delete tabs that keep getting in
2020-09-25 20:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #7265 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-25 20:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7265: SUCCESS in 4 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7265/
2020-09-25 20:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: encode parcel flag group Owned
2020-09-25 23:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #7266 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-25 23:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7266: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7266/
2020-09-25 23:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: try to fix lm about on large regions, again...
2020-09-26 13:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #7267 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-26 13:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7267: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7267/
2020-09-26 13:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: gridinfo and ossl
2020-09-26 13:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #7268 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-26 13:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7268: SUCCESS in 4 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7268/
2020-09-26 13:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: region ini files: gatekeeper MUST be defined at Hypergrid section (or startup), not on per service entry
2020-09-26 22:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #7269 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-26 22:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7269: SUCCESS in 5 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7269/
2020-09-26 22:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: typos...
2020-09-27 07:49 <osmantis> Bug #8774:04 it newest dev of ver 0.9.2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8774 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-27 08:15 <osmantis> Bug #8775:04 Some HG assets can no longer be taken except by attaching. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8775 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-09-27 08:23 <osmantis> Bug #8775:04 Some HG assets can no longer be taken except by attaching. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8775 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-09-27 09:15 <osmantis> Bug #8775:04 Some HG assets can no longer be taken except by attaching. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8775 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-27 13:23 <osmantis> Bug #8775:04 Some HG assets can no longer be taken except by attaching. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8775 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-27 15:03 <osmantis> Bug #8775:04 Some HG assets can no longer be taken except by attaching. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8775 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-27 15:50 <osmantis> Bug #8775:04 Some HG assets can no longer be taken except by attaching. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8775 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-27 16:56 <osmantis> Bug #8775:04 Some HG assets can no longer be taken except by attaching. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8775 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-27 16:58 <osmantis> Bug #8775:04 Some HG assets can no longer be taken except by attaching. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8775 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-09-27 16:59 <JeffKelley> eat more fish
2020-09-27 16:59 <Ubit> yeackk
2020-09-27 16:59 <Ubit> :)
2020-09-27 16:59 <Ubit> well attachments for some reason work dif
2020-09-27 17:01 <JeffKelley> HUDs can be naughty
2020-09-27 17:02 <Ubit> attachments are fetched by receving region
2020-09-27 17:02 <Ubit> and do have timing issues still..
2020-09-27 17:02 <Ubit> that was the last code i looked on hg :p
2020-09-27 17:02 <JeffKelley> took me some time to understand i must NOT edit a HUD while hypergriding. I'm editing the remote script, and when coming back home, it is unavailable
2020-09-27 17:03 <Ubit> take does pre send
2020-09-27 17:03 <Ubit> edit a attachment outside will fail
2020-09-27 17:03 <JeffKelley> yep, because you are editing the remote asset
2020-09-27 17:05 <Ubit> and i remember well, fecth is from avatar home grid
2020-09-27 17:06 <JeffKelley> guess Fred has something rotted in his config
2020-09-27 17:07 <Ubit> (m_AssetPerms.AllowedExport
2020-09-27 17:07 <Ubit> this fails silently
2020-09-27 17:08 <JeffKelley> what is? a flag? a conf?
2020-09-27 17:08 <Ubit>            LoadPermsFromConfig(config, "DisallowExport", m_DisallowExport);
2020-09-27 17:08 <Ubit>             LoadPermsFromConfig(config, "DisallowImport", m_DisallowImport);
2020-09-27 17:08 <Ubit> per asset type
2020-09-27 17:09 <Ubit> and those things kick in only at asset level
2020-09-27 17:09 <Ubit> you will get broken items if using that
2020-09-27 17:09 <JeffKelley> i just see 'ExportSupported'
2020-09-27 17:10 <Ubit> yeah confusing
2020-09-27 17:10 <JeffKelley> found them : HGAssetService
2020-09-27 17:10 <Ubit> its checked on HGAssetBroker
2020-09-27 17:11 <Ubit> yeah and on that also
2020-09-27 17:11 <Ubit> that just breaks forbidden items
2020-09-27 17:11 <Ubit> very confusing
2020-09-27 17:12 <JeffKelley> LSLText disabled by default ? why?
2020-09-27 17:12 <JeffKelley> oh, that's an example
2020-09-27 17:18 <Ubit> need somehow to mk all those checks visible and block items operations like take, if the result is a broken thing
2020-09-27 17:18 <Ubit> and mb block teleports if wearing one
2020-09-27 17:29 <JeffKelley> what i took for an opensim issue is a viewer feature : http://www.pescadoo.net/tmp/map_search.png
2020-09-27 19:03 <BillBlight> Alternatemetaverse is not a good place to test opensim code
2020-09-27 19:03 <Ubit> ?
2020-09-27 19:04 <BillBlight> just looking at that screenshot JeffKelley posted
2020-09-27 19:06 <JeffKelley> i think it was in region cache, i never get there
2020-09-27 19:06 <Ubit> on that issue, use scripts as i said
2020-09-27 19:07 <JeffKelley> i just searched for 'com'
2020-09-27 19:08 <JeffKelley> some will use aaaametaverse to be in top results :)
2020-09-27 19:08 <BillBlight> use minimum requirements you get maximum results on search
2020-09-27 19:11 <Ubit> search for analises on google using the letters a n a l :p
2020-09-27 19:11 <Ubit> (without the spaces )
2020-09-27 19:11 <BillBlight> LOL EXACTLY ...   too funny
2020-09-27 19:11 <Ubit> silly google
2020-09-27 19:12 <Ubit> ;)
2020-09-27 19:12 <BillBlight> yeah imagine that , it reuturns exactly what you search for then other stuff ... 
2020-09-27 19:12 <Ubit> yeap :)
2020-09-27 19:14 <JeffKelley> and we have a large choice of sandboxes, too : http://www.pescadoo.net/tmp/map_search2.png
2020-09-27 19:18 <JeffKelley> and an even larger collection of Welcomes :)
2020-09-27 19:19 <JeffKelley> found nothing for 'sex'
2020-09-27 19:20 <Ubit> i founc Essex
2020-09-27 19:20 <Ubit> :p
2020-09-27 19:21 <Ubit> i did change regions match at login..
2020-09-27 19:22 <Ubit> a priest wife placing their region name at login always arrived on a guy oriented regions 
2020-09-27 19:22 <Ubit> region..
2020-09-27 19:22 <Ubit> a bit confusing for the lady :p
2020-09-27 19:23 <Ubit> gay i meant
2020-09-27 19:24 <Ubit> <fix> a priest wife placing their region name at login always arrived on a gay oriented region </fix> 
2020-09-27 19:24 <Ubit> duhh i hate xml :p
2020-09-27 19:26 <JeffKelley> should we open a mantis "priest's wifes landing in gay regions" ?
2020-09-27 19:26 <Ubit> no, bc i fixed it already :p
2020-09-27 19:27 <JeffKelley> that could have been fun
2020-09-27 19:27 <Ubit> it was fun :p
2020-09-27 19:28 <Ubit> they also considerer fun, just anoying
2020-09-28 06:40 <JeffKelley> 0.
2020-09-28 08:37 <Ai_Austin> Hi. I am investigating an issue since I upgraded to latest dev master and based my gridcommon.ini on the new .example file. from an addon region server my avatar says it has no home set for TP, and a save iar on an addon region server seems not to be able to find inventory.  Wonder if there is an obvious issue with dev master before i dig in to
2020-09-28 08:37 <Ai_Austin> find the problem?
2020-09-28 08:41 <JeffKelley> I've seen the no home set issue but in my case, ROBUST is older than region so I ignored it
2020-09-28 08:44 <Ai_Austin> Actually I am seeign a range of odd issues.  I first spotte dit when I tried to make an iar for my own avatar on an addon region ona  different server to the Robust/MySQL data base server and it did not dfind the inventory.  I checked my HomeURI and GatekeeperURI settings and they all look fine. I will revert back to a workign version just to check
2020-09-28 08:44 <Ai_Austin> that first and then work back up to see if I can find the errors. Could be a config .ini file issue - only gridcommon.ini changed.. but I did check that very carefully already.
2020-09-28 08:52 <Ai_Austin> Looks like Home Not set is one issue.  I even reset it, teleported away and tried to teleport home and thsat still reports Home Not Set. And that  is when I went back 8 commits.  I will need to revert further to see where that started to happen.
2020-09-28 08:52 <Ai_Austin> I need to work ouit what is not shwoing in a save iar whe n on a region not hosted on same server as Robust. May be same or a different issue
2020-09-28 15:57 <BillBlight> I know Ai logged out but just for reference, Ubit, I'm not having a set home issue, on my grid and did not need to update the ini files because they were set correctly in the first place ..
2020-09-28 15:58 <Ubit> also workde for me
2020-09-28 15:59 <Ubit> damm idea of "microservices" just sniked in bc it is a fancy thing now
2020-09-28 16:00 <Ubit> well like the Entity components BS
2020-09-28 16:00 <Ubit> ppl love new shinning fancy crap
2020-09-28 16:09 <BillBlight> IAR save from remote hosted region worked fine too ...
2020-09-28 18:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #7270 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-28 18:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7270: SUCCESS in 5 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7270/
2020-09-28 18:25 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: a few changes to GridInfo and its use
2020-09-28 18:25 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: remove bad code left behind
2020-09-28 19:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #7271 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-28 19:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7271: SUCCESS in 5 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7271/
2020-09-28 19:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let profile module hold processing thread for a while
2020-09-28 20:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #7272 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-28 20:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7272: SUCCESS in 4 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7272/
2020-09-28 20:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: nm, bad idea
2020-09-29 17:57 <BillBlight> Meow meeting meow ...
2020-09-30 01:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #7273 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-30 01:31 <Ubit> duhh does nothing lol
2020-09-30 01:34 <Ubit> well on linux
2020-09-30 01:34 <Ubit> works fine on win
2020-09-30 01:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7273: SUCCESS in 5 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7273/
2020-09-30 01:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: test: try handle cntr-c another way
2020-09-30 01:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #7274 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-30 01:43 <Ubit> ok it does something now
2020-09-30 01:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7274: SUCCESS in 4 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7274/
2020-09-30 01:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: duhh of course it does nothing...
2020-09-30 02:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #7275 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-09-30 02:07 <Ubit> duhh did nothing :p
2020-09-30 02:07 <Ubit> well minor thing
2020-09-30 02:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7275: SUCCESS in 4 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7275/
2020-09-30 02:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: write a newline at end
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2020-09-30 14:57 <djphil> Is this considered a valid terrain file when I save my terrain in jpg or jpeg format?
2020-09-30 14:57 <djphil> https://ibb.co/740pS9r
2020-09-30 14:57 <djphil> I expected to have a grayscale image as is the case with png or bmp etc ...
2020-09-30 15:09 <BillBlight> I'd say not, but .jpg/.jpeg should not be used for terrain anyway ... Ever ...............
2020-09-30 15:11 <djphil> Ok this confirms what I thought
2020-09-30 15:12 <djphil> Never 'use jpg / jpeg is another topic :p
2020-09-30 15:12 <BillBlight> jpg/jpg , due to the compression would never give you decent resolution for terrain files
2020-09-30 15:12 <Tampa> I mean you can, if it isn't compressed, but jpeg and compression is like OpenSim and mono
2020-09-30 15:13 <djphil> I understand but this is debatable (in my opinion ...)
2020-09-30 15:13 <BillBlight> you can intentionally use anything that sucks, nobody is stopping you
2020-09-30 15:14 <Tampa> One thing to note though, think at least for saving terrain to png you only get 0-256 meters, anything above it cut off, think loading works fine for higher terrain
2020-09-30 15:14 <Tampa> If you want to get a tall region image you have to use raw
2020-09-30 15:14 <Tampa> Think even download through viewer, console command always cuts off I think
2020-09-30 15:14 <BillBlight> I think Tiff works for higher regions as well ..  (have not tested that thourougly)
2020-09-30 15:15 <djphil> Yes raw at more level, notably elevation map included in it
2020-09-30 15:17 <BillBlight> well, all terrain saves that are greyscale include a elevation map , just not ALL of it
2020-09-30 15:17 <BillBlight> the terrain file itself is an elevation map
2020-09-30 15:18 <djphil> I believe raw has 7 layers, unlike other formats. correct me if im wrong
2020-09-30 15:18 <JeffKelley> caves?
2020-09-30 15:19 <BillBlight> Yes , but those layers are not all "elevation" some are multiplication, parcels, and other info
2020-09-30 15:19 <djphil> true
2020-09-30 15:20 <BillBlight> can't do caves, that is a pipe dream ...
2020-09-30 15:20 <BillBlight> 
ACTION takes another hit of the pipe

2020-09-30 15:20 <djphil> Caves have always been impossible, this is nothing new
2020-09-30 15:21 <JeffKelley> like punching arbitrary holes in a prim, or boolean prim substraction
2020-09-30 15:22 <BillBlight> That is what mesh is for, prims are simple mesh, terrain , also simple mesh.
2020-09-30 15:26 <osmantis> Bug #7722:04 [RADMIN] terrain save generate gray image 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7722 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2020-09-30 15:27 <djphil> Mmm, it's radmin, damn I didn't check before closing, oops!
2020-09-30 15:32 <Plugh> djphil: There are two versions of terrain raw files.
2020-09-30 15:33 <djphil> Ha ??? I do not know
2020-09-30 15:33 <Plugh> One is 13(?) layers and the other is about 4 or 5. I would have to look up the information to be sure about the exact differences.
2020-09-30 15:34 <Plugh> The files with all the layers are over 800k in size. The ones with fewer layers are around 200 something k.
2020-09-30 15:35 <Plugh> ~262k, IIRC.
2020-09-30 15:35 <djphil> I looked at the commands on the console but I don't see any indication about it. is it mentioned anywhere? On the wiki for example?
2020-09-30 15:45 <Ubit> no caves.. just think that terrain as a distorced plane where each point can have its on Z
2020-09-30 15:45 <Ubit> some games allow a flags to create gaps 
2020-09-30 15:45 <djphil> Ok i just tested all these formats (.r32 .f32 .ter .bmp .png .jpg .jpeg .gif .tif .tiff .gsd) with radmin and everything is ok except jpg / jpeg
2020-09-30 15:46 <Ubit> on opensim you should only use raw32
2020-09-30 15:46 <djphil> raw is a raw32 i think, right?
2020-09-30 15:46 <Ubit> everything else will fail more
2020-09-30 15:47 <djphil> i mean in opensim
2020-09-30 15:47 <Ubit> well i don't remember all that
2020-09-30 15:48 <Ubit> till 0.9.0  terrain internal format was a total mess
2020-09-30 15:48 <Ubit> i just decide to make it type float
2020-09-30 15:48 <djphil> hehe me too I must have remembered my old radmin interface ^^
2020-09-30 15:48 <Ubit> and that is raw32
2020-09-30 15:49 <Ubit> raw is a odd thing... 
2020-09-30 15:49 <djphil> So in summary, as you could read above, console command in jpg / jpeg is bad ... and it's the same with radmin. I just tested it
2020-09-30 15:49 <Ubit> why in hell anyone want to use  jpg on that??
2020-09-30 15:50 <Ubit> mb i should remove it
2020-09-30 15:50 <djphil> Hmmm :s
2020-09-30 15:50 <djphil> lol
2020-09-30 15:50 <Ubit> all those formats are silly
2020-09-30 15:50 <Ubit> only reason to have one is to edit terrain with gimp or ps
2020-09-30 15:51 <djphil> You can delete it ... or make it work properly :p
2020-09-30 15:51 <Ubit> but there is the 256 or 512m max height
2020-09-30 15:51 <Ubit> why fix? they are silly
2020-09-30 15:51 <Ubit> and first u need to prove they are broken
2020-09-30 15:51 <djphil> it's amazing to see this jpg in blue ... probably a little error
2020-09-30 15:52 <Ubit> no idea
2020-09-30 15:52 <djphil> Well I proved, finally showed ...
2020-09-30 15:52 <djphil> https://ibb.co/740pS9r
2020-09-30 15:53 <Ubit> code goal is that is created and read back bu opensim not silly humans :p
2020-09-30 15:53 <djphil> (same with radmin)
2020-09-30 15:53 <Ubit> why do you want jpg?
2020-09-30 15:53 <djphil> bc is available ... and why not lol
2020-09-30 15:54 <Ubit> d* are avaiable errr nm :p
2020-09-30 15:55 <Ubit> those are legacy things
2020-09-30 15:55 <Ubit> pre var regions..  etc
2020-09-30 15:56 <Ubit> only valid format for transfer etc now is raw32
2020-09-30 15:56 <Ubit> raw is a ll crap thing
2020-09-30 15:58 <djphil> https://ibb.co/6ZZbBrh (im' happy to add raw32 on my file format list :) )
2020-09-30 16:00 <Ubit> get { return ".r32"; } is the normal ext
2020-09-30 16:00 <djphil> kk
2020-09-30 16:01 <djphil> so my radmin is ready :p
2020-09-30 16:03 <Plugh> djphil: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Tips_for_Creating_Heightfields_and_Details_on_Terrain_RAW_Files
2020-09-30 16:03 <Plugh> It says the number has been reduced from 13 to 3.
2020-09-30 16:04 <Ubit> our raw has 13 i think
2020-09-30 16:05 <djphil> ha yes 13 channels, i was thinking 7 ... i don't know why.
2020-09-30 16:05 <djphil> Thanks Plugh :)
2020-09-30 16:05 <Plugh> djphil: The first three are all you need to terraform the land. If you want to do something involving the parcels you need the other layers.
2020-09-30 16:05 <Ubit> old ll things
2020-09-30 16:05 <Plugh> yup.
2020-09-30 16:05 <Ubit> one channel was heights.. other parcels blablabla
2020-09-30 16:05 <Plugh> It has been a while since I did anything with raw files.
2020-09-30 16:07 <osmantis> Bug #7722:04 [RADMIN] terrain save generate gray image 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7722 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2020-09-30 16:08 <Ubit> love when things get fixed doing nothing :P
2020-09-30 16:10 <djphil> Well as you see in the attached file ... the image is very gray, I did not create it with Photoshop
2020-09-30 16:11 <djphil> and in 2015 i say already     quote " In .jpg and .jpeg format, now i get a colorful picture instead of a greyscale image of traditional heightmap. "
2020-09-30 16:17 <BillBlight> export-map is how you get a colorful image
2020-09-30 16:18 <djphil> i used  "terrain save" and "admin_save_heightmap"
2020-09-30 16:19 <BillBlight> that is not how you are supposed to get the colored map, export-map is there for that
2020-09-30 16:19 <djphil> i don't whant a colorfull Bill, i whant greyscale image
2020-09-30 16:20 <BillBlight> then use ANYTHING other than .jpg/.jpeg .. PNG is an acceptable web format
2020-09-30 16:20 <djphil> I use what is available
2020-09-30 16:20 <Ubit> jpg uses color it seems
2020-09-30 16:21 <Ubit> its pallete is defined in file defaultstripe.png
2020-09-30 16:21 <BillBlight> png is available
2020-09-30 16:21 <BillBlight> LOL
2020-09-30 16:21 <djphil> yes he is too
2020-09-30 16:22 <djphil> ha cool now i know why defaultstripe.png exists ... i always wondered why it was there :)
2020-09-30 16:23 <BillBlight> .jpg in terrain save, is like llSleep in Xengine, it's there, does not mean you should use it ..
2020-09-30 16:24 <djphil> A terrain file is gray not blue and jpg can create grayscale thing
2020-09-30 16:25 <djphil> Bill, recognize the error instead of trying to work around
2020-09-30 16:26 <Ubit> go complain ot original opensim devs
2020-09-30 16:26 <Ubit> to
2020-09-30 16:26 <Ubit> they decided for that not me :p
2020-09-30 16:27 <Ubit> and again stop tring to use old silly things
2020-09-30 16:27 <djphil> I saw and I reported , nothing more ...
2020-09-30 16:28 <Ubit> fine
2020-09-30 16:30 <Ubit> err readding about r32 has no layers
2020-09-30 16:30 <Ubit> its a simple 3d array of floats, if i remember
2020-09-30 16:30 <Ubit> 3d
2020-09-30 16:30 <Ubit> oops
2020-09-30 16:30 <Ubit> 2D  TWO D
2020-09-30 16:31 <osmantis> Bug #8774:04 it newest dev of ver 0.9.2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8774 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-09-30 16:31 <Ubit> where was that on wiki again?
2020-09-30 16:33 <Ubit> found and was sl thing :)
2020-09-30 16:36 <Ubit> yeah llraw max height is 512m
2020-09-30 16:37 <Ubit> using channel 2 set to 255
2020-09-30 16:37 <djphil> You can always use multiply terrain afterwards :)
2020-09-30 16:37 <Ubit> if 512m is used, resolution is 2m
2020-09-30 16:38 <Ubit> odd format..  but whatever
2020-09-30 16:38 <djphil> This limitation is not with .ter file I think ...
2020-09-30 16:39 <Ubit> well but viewer has limitations also
2020-09-30 16:39 <Ubit> "
2020-09-30 16:39 <Ubit> While tempting, creating a 512 meter high mountain on a 256 square meter sim usually leads to disappointing results. Ground textures will be stretched and tiled unrealistically. Draw distance setting on most people's machines means that if they stood on top of the mountain, they couldn't see the ground below. Artifacts in the skybox and frame rate slowdown due to lots of overlapping clouds viewed close up will be apparent. Steep cliffs often tessellate 
2020-09-30 16:39 <Ubit> poorly, resulting in jaggy terrain, and entire mountains may disappear when viewed from a distance due to the lower level of detail. Many of these artifacts can be reduced or avoided by keeping the range of the elevation in a sim to within 50-100 meters. Similarly, any radical changes in height over a short distance will exhibit some of these artifacts, so design accordingly. This was reported fixed, so this might no longer be valid."
2020-09-30 16:40 <Ubit> well now they do see the gnd below draw distance does nothing on terrain
2020-09-30 16:41 <Ubit> "Similarly, any radical changes in height over a short distance will exhibit some of these artifacts, so design accordingly"
2020-09-30 16:41 <Ubit> this is even worse.. the geometry does show noise spikes
2020-09-30 16:41 <Ubit> far away
2020-09-30 16:42 <Ubit> thats from the lludp terrain compressor
2020-09-30 16:43 <djphil> honestly I have rarely (never) seen mountains this high in SL or OS
2020-09-30 16:43 <Ubit> terrain needs to be somewhat smooth or artifacts will show up
2020-09-30 16:43 <Ubit> yes bc they fail :p
2020-09-30 16:43 <djphil> :)
2020-09-30 16:44 <Ubit> both issues..   those artifacts and texture rendering fail
2020-09-30 16:44 <Ubit> unless the did fix last
2020-09-30 16:44 <Ubit> *they*
2020-09-30 16:44 <Ubit> but guess they can't
2020-09-30 16:44 <djphil> There was a patch to have beautiful terrain textures ... there is a volcano video somewhere on youtube that shows this
2020-09-30 16:45 <Ubit> textures where made for a flat x,y same z
2020-09-30 16:45 <Ubit> if there is a big z, then they are streched ...
2020-09-30 16:46 <Tampa> You can also make the whole region terrain a mesh, but there is no way to fully disable terrain so there is massive performance loss that way
2020-09-30 16:46 <Ubit> ie go for form 16x16 sauface to lets say 16x 100
2020-09-30 16:46 <Tampa> I tried once to trick viewer into not rendering terrain, but that has really bad results
2020-09-30 16:46 <Ubit> mesh is silly
2020-09-30 16:46 <djphil> found @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKBu95z3cgc
2020-09-30 16:47 <Ubit> mesh is a lot heavier
2020-09-30 16:47 <Ubit> both on rendering and on region physics
2020-09-30 16:47 <Ubit> ALL GAMES use heighmaps also
2020-09-30 16:48 <Ubit> complemented with meshs for caves
2020-09-30 16:48 <djphil> Similar problem with Unity you think?
2020-09-30 16:48 <Ubit> unity is as i say
2020-09-30 16:48 <Ubit> and you cna have several heighmaps
2020-09-30 16:49 <Ubit> And.. they have a flag to add cuts
2020-09-30 16:49 <Ubit> so we can place a cut, then fill it with a mesh
2020-09-30 16:49 <Ubit> thats a way they use to make caves
2020-09-30 16:49 <Ubit> but main terrain is a heighmap
2020-09-30 16:50 <Ubit> bc its is FASTER and ligher
2020-09-30 16:50 <Ubit> full terrain mesh is a opensim myth
2020-09-30 16:50 <Ubit> like replace simple boxes by a mesh
2020-09-30 16:50 <Ubit> BAD
2020-09-30 16:51 <Ubit> opensim urban myths :p
2020-09-30 18:32 <djphil> Ho, I also found that one (tiled texture on terrain)
2020-09-30 18:32 <djphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJVHHp7bviA
2020-09-30 19:05 <Ubit> that is a viewer side hack
2020-09-30 19:06 <djphil> yes
2020-10-01 01:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #7276 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-01 01:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7276: SUCCESS in 5 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7276/
2020-10-01 01:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cleanup
2020-10-01 02:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #7277 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-01 02:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7277: SUCCESS in 5 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7277/
2020-10-01 02:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: disable coreprofiles if ProfileServiceURL is not set
2020-10-01 02:21 <Ubit> .. as before
2020-10-01 14:35 <djphil> It seems that something has changed with the regionImage service
2020-10-01 14:35 <djphil> Before i could get a region image with this url:
2020-10-01 14:35 <djphil> http:/domain.com:9000/?method=regionImage<UUID_NO_DASH>
2020-10-01 14:35 <djphil> but it no longer works ...
2020-10-01 14:35 <djphil> Now I have to add index.php in the url like this:
2020-10-01 14:35 <djphil> http:/domain.com:9000/index.php?method=regionImage<UUID_NO_DASH>
2020-10-01 14:35 <djphil> Can you confirm if there is indeed a change at this level?
2020-10-01 14:41 <Ubit> yes
2020-10-01 14:42 <djphil> Ok, thanks. Good to know ...
2020-10-01 14:42 <djphil> This broke several of my web interfaces :p
2020-10-01 14:43 <Ubit> it does tell on console/log the url
2020-10-01 14:43 <djphil> yes ... but only with a valid url
2020-10-01 14:43 <djphil> the first url say nothing ...
2020-10-01 14:44 <Ubit> what first url?
2020-10-01 14:44 <djphil> the url without index.php
2020-10-01 14:44 <Ubit> there is no such url 
2020-10-01 14:44 <Ubit> never was spec
2020-10-01 14:44 <djphil> Before it worked without index.php in the url
2020-10-01 14:45 <Ubit> happened to work
2020-10-01 14:45 <djphil> yes ...
2020-10-01 14:45 <djphil> But it's ok, if you confirmed then I know how I can fix it in my web interfaces
2020-10-01 14:46 <djphil> Just a little work :p
2020-10-01 14:47 <djphil> before i?method=regionImage ... after index.php?method=regionImage
2020-10-01 14:49 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Warp3DImageModule
2020-10-01 14:49 <Ubit> wasthere already
2020-10-01 14:50 <djphil> here is wrong http://opensimulator.org/wiki/ImageService
2020-10-01 14:50 <djphil> http://osl2.nac.uci.edu:9006/?method=image&key=84a84adb-819a-44ec-a7a2-b5323e737c24
2020-10-01 14:51 <Ubit> that is other service
2020-10-01 14:53 <djphil> Seems obsolete
2020-10-01 14:54 <JeffKelley> what about map-1-X-Y-objects.jpg, djphil ?
2020-10-01 14:54 <Ubit> well its there
2020-10-01 14:54 <djphil> juste small change Jeff
2020-10-01 14:55 <Ubit> also index.php needed
2020-10-01 14:55 <djphil> requiere index.php in the url now
2020-10-01 14:56 <Ubit> fixed
2020-10-01 14:56 <djphil> ?
2020-10-01 14:56 <Ubit> changed the page
2020-10-01 14:56 <JeffKelley> i have a ROBUST compiled Sept,26 and i don't need index.php. New since ?
2020-10-01 14:57 <Ubit> that is not a robust thing
2020-10-01 14:57 <Ubit> no idea why we have both urls  duhh
2020-10-01 14:57 <JeffKelley> i query ROBUST's port, maybe we are speaking if different APIs
2020-10-01 15:01 <Ubit> uff confusing code structure
2020-10-01 15:01 <Ubit> and naming
2020-10-01 15:03 <JeffKelley> do not remember where map-1-X-Y-objects.jpg is documents, I use it for ages
2020-10-01 15:04 <djphil> Maybee here Jeff http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Map
2020-10-01 15:04 <JeffKelley> yes
2020-10-01 15:05 <JeffKelley> bypasses the need to get region UUIDs
2020-10-01 15:05 <djphil> Yes, effective :)
2020-10-01 15:17 <Ubit> http is now more restricted parsing requests
2020-10-01 15:17 <Ubit> was a total open crap
2020-10-01 15:18 <Ubit> a baby on keyb could ddos it :p
2020-10-01 15:18 <djphil> This is a good thing :)
2020-10-01 15:18 <Ubit> now takes a 6yr old 
2020-10-01 15:18 <Ubit> lol
2020-10-02 13:05 <Zer00CooL> Hello
2020-10-02 13:05 <Zer00CooL> I subscribed to the official wiki, I had a return email, but still no access.
2020-10-02 13:05 <Zer00CooL> Do you know how to help me get access?
2020-10-02 13:07 <djphil> Don't worry, your account will be activated manually as soon as an administrator is available
2020-10-02 13:09 <Zer00CooL> @djphil ok thank you.
2020-10-02 13:09 <djphil> yw
2020-10-02 13:09 <Zer00CooL> @djphil: My question at this point is if I can use the IP address 127.0.0.1 for "External host name [SYSTEMIP]:"
2020-10-02 13:09 <Zer00CooL> Indeed, I do not have access to my box locally, and, I therefore suppose that I cannot perform tests locally, on a Virtualbox Virtual machine.
2020-10-02 13:09 <Zer00CooL> Can you confirm to me that I would have to deploy the opensim/bin/ directory on a remote server?
2020-10-02 13:11 <Zer00CooL> I translate a lot documentation, in french, to learn OpenSim : https://wiki.visionduweb.fr/index.php?title=OpenSimulator
2020-10-02 13:11 <djphil> You can use a WAN (local) ip for a simulator, this is not a problem. In this case, the access will be local only, which makes sense
2020-10-02 13:12 <Zer00CooL> I would just like to make sure that I can indeed not test locally, and, that I have to go through a remote server (due to the external IP address which must be contactable - FQDN address)
2020-10-02 13:12 <djphil> Si tu parles français va sur la canal opensim-fr, là on pourra parler Français. C'est aussi plus facile pour moi :)
2020-10-02 13:13 <Zer00CooL> Ha super !
2020-10-02 13:13 <Zer00CooL> Merci ;)
2020-10-04 00:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #7278 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-04 00:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7278: SUCCESS in 4 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7278/
2020-10-04 00:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: throttle lludp revoke permissions
2020-10-04 20:12 <Ubit> oops
2020-10-04 20:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #7279 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-04 20:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7279: FAILURE in 1 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7279/
2020-10-04 20:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv and consequent changes
2020-10-04 20:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #7280 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7278 19 hr ago)
2020-10-04 20:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7280: STILL FAILING in 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7280/
2020-10-04 20:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file
2020-10-04 20:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #7281 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #7278 19 hr ago)
2020-10-04 20:17 <Ubit> grrr
2020-10-04 20:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7281: STILL FAILING in 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7281/
2020-10-04 20:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: and... missing file
2020-10-04 20:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #7282 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #7278 19 hr ago)
2020-10-04 20:18 <Ubit> ok, now.. does it run? :)
2020-10-04 20:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7282: STILL FAILING in 2 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7282/
2020-10-04 20:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: yes, yes... missing file
2020-10-04 20:20 <Ubit> hey you.. fail where?
2020-10-04 20:21 <Ubit> yeah.. tests
2020-10-04 21:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #7283 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #7278 20 hr ago)
2020-10-04 21:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7283: STILL FAILING in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7283/
2020-10-04 21:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv
2020-10-04 21:08 <Ubit> if u say so..
2020-10-04 21:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #7284 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #7278 21 hr ago)
2020-10-04 21:33 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-10-04 21:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7284: FIXED in 4 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7284/
2020-10-04 21:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv
2020-10-05 18:37 <JeffKelley> is osSetRegionSunSettings deprecated ?
2020-10-05 18:42 <Ubit> yes
2020-10-05 18:42 <JeffKelley> cool, one less mantis
2020-10-05 18:43 <JeffKelley> I guess EEP broke it
2020-10-05 18:43 <Ubit> it was broken bf
2020-10-05 18:43 <Ubit> just no one noticed
2020-10-05 18:43 <JeffKelley> works in 9.1.1
2020-10-05 18:44 <Ubit> the sun it controls is a V1 sun
2020-10-05 18:44 <JeffKelley> it's broken for EEP viewers, correct ?
2020-10-05 18:44 <Ubit> all
2020-10-05 18:44 <JeffKelley> nope
2020-10-05 18:45 <Ubit> sun module is gone
2020-10-05 18:45 <JeffKelley> OS 9.1.1 + FS 6.3.9 => osSetRegionSunSettings ok
2020-10-05 18:48 <Ubit> fs 6.3.9 ignores some parameters it controls, already
2020-10-05 18:48 <JeffKelley> also moves the Quick Prefs slider accordingly
2020-10-05 18:49 <Ubit> and eep ones totally :p
2020-10-05 19:00 <djphil> you can try to play with osReplaceRegionEnvironment and change values of daylength and day offset from a day cycle
2020-10-05 19:02 <Ubit> no idea what changes ll made to eep meanwhile..  guess only low level ones
2020-10-05 19:03 <Ubit> moon is very ugly on their viewer now.. they killed some brightness
2020-10-05 19:03 <JeffKelley> actually, i was using lsSetWindlightScene, not sun module
2020-10-05 19:03 <Ubit> well may depend in sun position
2020-10-05 19:03 <Ubit> ..on..
2020-10-05 19:03 <Ubit> if so.. ok
2020-10-05 19:04 <Ubit> when sun is direct oposite to moon its a eclipse :)
2020-10-05 19:04 <djphil> Ubit, by chance, do you know the uuid of the new sun texture ?µ
2020-10-05 19:05 <Ubit> none
2020-10-05 19:05 <djphil> seems no available ...
2020-10-05 19:05 <Ubit> default is none
2020-10-05 19:05 <Ubit> uuid.zero
2020-10-05 19:05 <djphil> ho okay
2020-10-05 19:05 <Ubit> ( if i remember well )
2020-10-05 19:06 <djphil> so it cannot be used elsewhere ...
2020-10-05 19:06 <djphil> only a custom sun texture can be
2020-10-05 19:07 <JeffKelley> not sure i can get the same effect with ReplaceRegionEnvironment
2020-10-05 19:07 <djphil> very similar
2020-10-05 19:07 <djphil> if you change offset gradually
2020-10-05 19:07 <JeffKelley> i challenge you, djphil
2020-10-05 19:08 <Ubit> use sky track
2020-10-05 19:08 <djphil> lol
2020-10-05 19:08 <djphil> Jeff create your daycycle, copy the uuid and change the offset
2020-10-05 19:08 <djphil> osReplaceRegionEnvironment(1.0, daycycle, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0);
2020-10-05 19:08 <Ubit> eep viewers use utc time as seen by local machine clock
2020-10-05 19:08 <djphil> it work for me :)
2020-10-05 19:09 <JeffKelley> make the same sky as WL_SUN_MOON_POSITION, 0.5, WL_MAX_ALTITUDE, 015, WL_CLOUD_COVERAGE, 0.0, WL_STAR_BRIGHTNESS, 5.0
2020-10-05 19:09 <Ubit> adding a offset
2020-10-05 19:09 <djphil> the secret is the offset :p
2020-10-05 19:09 <Ubit> from day len they get dayfraction..
2020-10-05 19:10 <Ubit> then go look to the track for resoectuve sky
2020-10-05 19:10 <Ubit> if there is only one..  that is fixed sky
2020-10-05 19:10 <djphil> a timer do the job
2020-10-05 19:10 <Ubit> if more than one, it interpolates values
2020-10-05 19:11 <djphil> with nice transition :)
2020-10-05 19:11 <Ubit> hate the transition
2020-10-05 19:12 <Ubit> on fs with wl we could control the transition time
2020-10-05 19:12 <Ubit> not on eep
2020-10-05 19:12 <djphil> you hate everything ^^
2020-10-05 19:12 <Ubit> have good reasons :p
2020-10-05 19:12 <Ubit> default is 2 slow for many cases
2020-10-05 19:13 <Ubit> sometimes even we see the moon cross the entire sky
2020-10-05 19:13 <Ubit> silly
2020-10-05 19:14 <Ubit> guess they will changes things .. tons of negative feedback
2020-10-05 19:14 <Ubit> or tpvs may
2020-10-05 19:15 <Ubit> ppl hat those trackballs :)
2020-10-05 19:15 <djphil> about, syntax highlight is missing for osReplaceRegionEnvironment
2020-10-05 19:21 <JeffKelley> djphil : what is daycycle in your snippet ?
2020-10-05 19:22 <djphil> a copy of the default FS daycycle to your settings folder
2020-10-05 19:23 <JeffKelley> but that's a day cycle, not a sky
2020-10-05 19:23 <Ubit> damm fs shows os in 2 places
2020-10-05 19:24 <djphil> well a daycycle move sun and moon
2020-10-05 19:24 <JeffKelley> it's night, there is no sun and no moon, just a starry night with a blue horizon
2020-10-05 19:24 <Ubit> in mean in 2 blocks
2020-10-05 19:26 <djphil> things midday, midnight etc you can regulate them with lightshare
2020-10-05 19:28 <JeffKelley> lightshare doesn't work with FS6.4, at least the Mac version; works with 6.3
2020-10-05 19:31 <Ubit> should work
2020-10-05 19:32 <Ubit> depending on what you mean by working
2020-10-05 19:32 <Ubit> i already said those sun things are gone
2020-10-05 19:33 <Ubit> but ls should set a sun position or something
2020-10-05 19:33 <JeffKelley> you cant say it is gone and it shoud work at the same time
2020-10-05 19:33 <Ubit> i say ls works
2020-10-05 19:34 <Ubit> see no reason why not on macs
2020-10-05 19:35 <Ubit> well ive a old prim with ls working fine on my test regions
2020-10-05 19:35 <Ubit> and better not messup env with timers.. those are not light things
2020-10-05 19:36 <JeffKelley> i confirm : lsSetWindlightScene + Yeti + FS6.3 works as expected ; with FS6.4 Mac : does nothing
2020-10-05 19:37 <JeffKelley> maybe i miss some shaders so don't take it for granted
2020-10-05 19:37 <Ubit> ls is converted to eep
2020-10-05 19:37 <JeffKelley> you know, OpenGL, Apple, Metal ...
2020-10-05 19:37 <BillBlight> lightshare is not the sun module, lightshare only sets local environment on the viewer, others will not see the environment until/if the script pushes out the settings again, where EEP is a region setting handed to everyone who lands ..
2020-10-05 19:37 <djphil> EEP things are already on OpenStorm ?
2020-10-05 19:38 <JeffKelley> "pushes out" ?
2020-10-05 19:38 <djphil> or OpenStorm is dead ?
2020-10-05 19:38 <BillBlight> Firestorm EEP beta, I have not updated my OpenStorm yet, waiting till the OS EEP is out of beta
2020-10-05 19:38 <Ubit> eep things are sent to wl viewers as WL things lol
2020-10-05 19:39 <BillBlight> WL /= Lightshare
2020-10-05 19:39 <Ubit> 0.92 internal are EEP
2020-10-05 19:39 <djphil> okay, good to know isn't dead :)
2020-10-05 19:39 <BillBlight> !=
2020-10-05 19:39 <JeffKelley> yes, beta, so no conclusion to be drawned now
2020-10-05 19:39 <Ubit> so ls script data -> EEP data
2020-10-05 19:39 <Ubit> then eep viewer gets eep data,  wl viewer gets eep converted to WL
2020-10-05 19:40 <BillBlight> (I was not talking about the EEP viewer, I was talking about "S6.3 works as expected"
2020-10-05 19:40 <Ubit> ive a ls script working at ubittestdt  @ osgrid
2020-10-05 19:41 <BillBlight> Lightshare/WL  get's sent to the viewer and is rendered locally, regardless of the EEP of the region, if you are not using an eep viewer
2020-10-05 19:42 <BillBlight> When using a script, it does not mean everyone will "always" get the settings set in the script, because they are sent to viewers in spite of EEP settings
2020-10-05 19:42 <Ubit> some WL viewers, other than fs and dayturn may not update it ( singu for example )
2020-10-05 19:42 <BillBlight> at time of script run/timer
2020-10-05 19:42 <Ubit> but wtf i said all this already here and on emails
2020-10-05 19:42 <BillBlight> (yep)
2020-10-05 19:44 <Ubit> err no.. there are no ls settings + eep that is gone
2020-10-05 19:44 <Ubit> now its only EEP
2020-10-05 19:44 <BillBlight> right
2020-10-05 19:44 <JeffKelley> Ubit : you script is not working for me, so that may be an issue with my viewer
2020-10-05 19:44 <JeffKelley> i'm attacked by sheeps !!
2020-10-05 19:44 <Ubit> until now, lightshare had a set of parameters, wl another, both sent to viewers
2020-10-05 19:45 <Ubit> ok see that round thing near them
2020-10-05 19:45 <JeffKelley> yes
2020-10-05 19:45 <Ubit> be on the main parcel and touch it
2020-10-05 19:45 <JeffKelley> done
2020-10-05 19:45 <Ubit> select a env
2020-10-05 19:46 <JeffKelley> dont work
2020-10-05 19:46 <Ubit> yeah change fine for me on 6.4.5
2020-10-05 19:46 <JeffKelley> i said : messy situation on MacOS with OpenGL
2020-10-05 19:46 <Ubit> well that wl also faisl
2020-10-05 19:47 <djphil> Hmmm my old lightshare script is not working
2020-10-05 19:49 <djphil> Has no effect ... nothing on water and nothing on clouds
2020-10-05 19:49 <djphil> I would be curious to see your Lighshare script running Ubit
2020-10-05 19:49 <Ubit> its a old one made by jeff
2020-10-05 19:50 <Ubit> nothing special
2020-10-05 19:50 <Ubit> he also tried others he has all worked
2020-10-05 19:50 <djphil> idem for me ... a old script made for Francogrid
2020-10-05 19:50 <djphil> a switch to default lightshare/custom lightshare
2020-10-05 19:52 <JeffKelley> djphil : come on Ubit's region, it works
2020-10-05 19:52 <djphil> osgrid maintenance is done ?
2020-10-05 19:53 <Ubit> what maintenance?
2020-10-05 19:53 <djphil> https://twitter.com/osgrid
2020-10-05 19:54 <Ubit> guess didn't start then
2020-10-05 19:54 <Ubit> or done
2020-10-05 19:54 <Ubit> dan will tell :)
2020-10-05 19:55 <JeffKelley> djphil ubittestdt @osgrid
2020-10-05 19:55 <djphil> thanks
2020-10-05 19:56 <Ubit> another one swimming on my region..
2020-10-05 19:56 <Ubit> :p
2020-10-05 19:56 <JeffKelley> beware the sheeps
2020-10-05 19:57 <djphil> arfff what music !!! :p
2020-10-05 19:57 <Ubit> yes.. it is music :p
2020-10-05 20:00 <djphil> that i really HATE ^^
2020-10-05 20:00 <Ubit> i took ownership of yr prim dj
2020-10-05 20:00 <Ubit> yr script should work now
2020-10-05 20:00 <djphil> thanks, i come back with 6.4
2020-10-05 20:01 <Ubit> well worked fine for me
2020-10-05 20:01 <JeffKelley> yes but you were 6.3, right ?
2020-10-05 20:01 <Ubit> 6.4.5
2020-10-05 20:01 <Ubit> i don't use 6.3 for ages
2020-10-05 20:01 <JeffKelley> i mean djphil, sorry
2020-10-05 20:02 <Ubit> 6.3 dies editing meshes
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2020-10-05 23:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #7285 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-10-06 00:00 <djphil> Yippie :)
2020-10-06 00:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7285: SUCCESS in 6 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7285/
2020-10-06 00:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update script syntax
2020-10-06 01:56 <djphil> Ubit, i get my lighshare script working with last master. Cool
2020-10-06 01:56 <djphil> i mean with FS 6.4 of course
2020-10-06 02:26 <djphil> and get the rainbow working too
2020-10-06 02:29 <djphil> https://ibb.co/rpYpgWd
2020-10-06 02:29 <djphil> I just forgot to activate the shadows on osgrid :p
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2020-10-06 16:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #7286 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-06 16:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7286: FAILURE in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7286/
2020-10-06 16:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv and apply necessary related changes
2020-10-06 18:24 <Plugh> I'm on my way in to the meeting. I was there but then I wasn't. FS crashed on me.
2020-10-06 18:24 <Ubit> lets go to hurliam
2020-10-06 18:25 <Plugh> I'm crashing the moment I log in.
2020-10-06 18:25 <Plugh> ok. Trying that location.
2020-10-06 18:26 <Ubit> something nasty on last commits
2020-10-06 18:26 <Plugh>  Oops. :)
2020-10-06 18:27 <djphil> me too, crash on Dev Outreach
2020-10-06 18:27 <djphil> (with FS 6.3.9.x)
2020-10-06 18:27 <Ubit> hurliman plaza plz
2020-10-06 18:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #7287 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7285 18 hr ago)
2020-10-06 18:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7287: STILL FAILING in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7287/
2020-10-06 18:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: WARNING CURRENTLY BROKEN. wait for fix
2020-10-06 19:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #7288 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #7285 19 hr ago)
2020-10-06 19:29 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-10-06 19:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7288: FIXED in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7288/
2020-10-06 19:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: some changes
2020-10-06 19:34 <Ubit> now need to wait for meeting region to update :)
2020-10-06 19:34 <Ubit> to see if works
2020-10-06 21:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #7289 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-10-06 21:28 <Ubit> .. and now it crashs on me ... :P
2020-10-06 21:28 <Ubit> as usually happens when i say "fixed" ;)
2020-10-06 21:29 <Ubit> well it didn't.. im back on my test region
2020-10-06 21:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7289: SUCCESS in 5 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7289/
2020-10-06 21:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: clean up; CODE SEEMS USABLE AGAIN
2020-10-06 21:38 <Ubit> no idea why fs (and others) want a null terminated string on compact lludp.. so silly
2020-10-06 21:58 <Ubit> dj that prim u gave me seems doing.. something
2020-10-06 22:01 <djphil> It should yes, it's a lighshare but I had not tested it yet ...
2020-10-06 22:01 <djphil> Good to know that it still works well
2020-10-06 22:01 <djphil> I know a lot of people still use it today
2020-10-06 22:03 <djphil> Did you test it on YEngine?
2020-10-06 22:03 <Ubit> yeap
2020-10-06 22:03 <djphil> cool :)
2020-10-06 22:06 <Ubit> well i said it does something  not that works well :p
2020-10-06 22:07 <djphil> Ha, so I misunderstood you
2020-10-06 22:08 <Ubit> nahh just in only tested for actions, not correct settings
2020-10-06 22:11 <Ubit> ooops
2020-10-06 22:12 <djphil> crashed ?
2020-10-06 22:13 <Ubit> yeah something smoked
2020-10-06 22:14 <Ubit> and no log
2020-10-06 22:14 <Ubit> fun
2020-10-06 22:14 <Ubit> where did you touch?
2020-10-06 22:14 <Ubit> :p
2020-10-06 22:15 <djphil> everywhere and very quickly
2020-10-06 22:16 <Ubit> well env is a slow thing.. very..
2020-10-06 22:17 <djphil> before it worked ... and fast too
2020-10-06 22:17 <Ubit> before was.. before
2020-10-06 22:17 <Ubit> now seems my fs went nuts
2020-10-06 22:17 <Ubit> see all dark lol
2020-10-06 22:18 <djphil> me too
2020-10-06 22:19 <djphil> and wrong texture on panel
2020-10-06 22:19 <Ubit> ok i did reset the prim
2020-10-06 22:19 <djphil> a normal is back
2020-10-06 22:19 <djphil> This panel is the original from Meta7
2020-10-06 22:27 <Ubit> wasn't meta7 who made lightshare thing?
2020-10-06 22:27 <djphil> yes, lightshare
2020-10-06 22:28 <Ubit> back then viewers had no enviroment store on regions
2020-10-06 22:28 <Ubit> that did comeup with windlight
2020-10-06 22:29 <Ubit> well only way to test ls to eep convertion is with controled script
2020-10-06 22:34 <djphil> Yeah something laborious to do
2020-10-07 18:04 <Psi-Jack> Hmmm..
2020-10-07 18:05 <Psi-Jack> I have a couple users in a V2 group, and they're showing "Unknown... @hypergridlocation", and I'm trying to remove them. So far, it's not working with god powers, and I can't find them in any of the os_groups_* tables by their UUID. 
2020-10-07 18:52 <JeffKelley> if it's not in database, it's probably in cache and should not survive a restart
2020-10-07 19:07 <Psi-Jack> I figured out what was wrong. HyperGrid members have UUID;HGURL
2020-10-07 19:07 <Psi-Jack> I was just looking for UUID.
2020-10-07 19:07 <Psi-Jack> No,w the problem I'm TRYING to resolve is actually slow communication in groups. 
2020-10-07 19:08 <Psi-Jack> You send a message, and wait. A long time. You cannot attach, detach, create, TP, or.. Most things, until your message is delivered, fully,.
2020-10-08 07:59 <osmantis> Bug #8776:04 assetSystem.IO.IOException: An attempt was made to move the position before the beginning of the stream 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8776 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-10-08 09:25 <osmantis> Bug #8776:04 assetSystem.IO.IOException: An attempt was made to move the position before the beginning of the stream 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8776 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-08 10:04 <osmantis> Bug #8771:04 Map cannot find a grid on the same host 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8771 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-10-08 13:05 <osmantis> Bug #8776:04 assetSystem.IO.IOException: An attempt was made to move the position before the beginning of the stream 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8776 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-08 13:42 <osmantis> Bug #8776:04 assetSystem.IO.IOException: An attempt was made to move the position before the beginning of the stream 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8776 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-08 14:01 <osmantis> Bug #8776:04 assetSystem.IO.IOException: An attempt was made to move the position before the beginning of the stream 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8776 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-08 14:47 <Tampa> A bug without even the possibility of reproducing it because of licenses... and I thought I seen it all by now
2020-10-08 15:15 <osmantis> Bug #8777:04 osInviteToGroup not functioning as documented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8777 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-10-08 15:39 <osmantis> Bug #8777:04 osInviteToGroup not functioning as documented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8777 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-08 16:23 <osmantis> Bug #8777:04 osInviteToGroup not functioning as documented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8777 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-08 16:27 <osmantis> Bug #8777:04 osInviteToGroup not functioning as documented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8777 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2020-10-08 19:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #7290 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-08 20:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7290: SUCCESS in 6 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7290/
2020-10-08 20:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics on ossl
2020-10-08 20:01 <Tampa> Someone saw a mantis and started digging huh
2020-10-08 20:10 <Tampa> I can think of a few ways of "hacking" this group data in there, but none are code I would expect to pass the bar
2020-10-08 20:11 <Tampa> The right way means adding 2 new group calls, tons of overhead on each prim creation
2020-10-08 20:11 <Tampa> If you made just script engine aware then you have primdata and script data disparity
2020-10-08 20:12 <Tampa> Could be wrong but I think if you select the already applied group viewer does not even send an update either
2020-10-08 20:12 <Ubit> i did not changed the code
2020-10-08 20:12 <Tampa> I know
2020-10-08 20:12 <Ubit> i mean the behaviur
2020-10-08 20:13 <Tampa> I am thinking aloud
2020-10-08 20:13 <Ubit> just reorder things and made that uuid parsing safer
2020-10-08 20:14 <Tampa> It is a dead end unfortunately, you can't really add it in an elegant yet slim way, either you hack it in or must accept large overhead in additional calls
2020-10-08 20:15 <Ubit> what??
2020-10-08 20:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #7291 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-08 20:16 <Tampa> If you added the checks to make sure all permissions are elevated with the user role you would need to request that data and to do that you need rolememberships and their data, which are two calls back to group service
2020-10-08 20:17 <Tampa> Else you can use the script engine to see if elevated permission are available, which would only happen on compile, not every new prim, but then you have prim saying one thing and script another, not good
2020-10-08 20:17 <osmantis> Bug #8777:04 osInviteToGroup not functioning as documented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8777 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-08 20:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7291: SUCCESS in 5 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7291/
2020-10-08 20:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a little missing space
2020-10-08 20:27 <Ubit> changed http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsInviteToGroup
2020-10-08 20:46 <Ubit> changed http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsInviteToGroup   again :)
2020-10-08 20:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #7292 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-08 20:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7292: SUCCESS in 5 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7292/
2020-10-08 20:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: osInviteToGroup: dont invite if already member (returns TRUE in this case)
2020-10-08 20:51 <Tampa> Does that work if the group is not active?
2020-10-08 20:59 <Ubit> no relation
2020-10-08 21:00 <Ubit> well or yes :)
2020-10-08 21:01 <Tampa> Because apparently this is an issue for some, they are not aware they are in the group and keep clicking without feedback that "You are already member of this group"
2020-10-08 21:01 <Tampa> I added that to the groups module to return in case they keep clicking the object
2020-10-08 21:03 <Ubit> does cntr-c work better now?
2020-10-08 21:10 <Tampa> So if a user clicks, joins group, clicks again it does not send to Groups module so silent failure
2020-10-08 21:10 <Tampa> No "You are already in this group"
2020-10-08 21:10 <Tampa> Apparently people are not aware of their own groups
2020-10-08 21:11 <Ubit> ??
2020-10-08 21:11 <Ubit> well i could had changed that retunr from 1 to 2
2020-10-08 21:11 <Ubit> but would break scripts.. dunno
2020-10-08 21:12 <Tampa> I mean if someone clicks the object to join the group and they are already in that group
2020-10-08 21:12 <Tampa> It does not tell the user this
2020-10-08 21:13 <Ubit> no suposed 2
2020-10-08 21:13 <Tampa> That's a silent failure, so they keep clicking and then complain "I cannot join that group"
2020-10-08 21:14 <Ubit> as i said i could had return 2 on that case, so script could tell
2020-10-08 21:14 <Tampa> You can also make Groups tell the user, I have a patch for that here to do just that
2020-10-08 21:15 <Ubit> no will not :p
2020-10-08 21:15 <Ubit> if you look to code, that check does not use groups even
2020-10-08 21:16 <Ubit> since some 0.9 each avatar has cached groups information
2020-10-08 21:17 <Ubit> no more silly tons of calls to groups like 0.8 did
2020-10-08 21:17 <Ubit> grid side groups..
2020-10-08 21:18 <Ubit> oh forgot to check if its root agent.. duhh
2020-10-08 21:18 <Ubit> well old code didn't also
2020-10-08 21:18 <Ubit> and thats not the spec
2020-10-08 21:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #7293 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-08 21:26 <Ubit> changed http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsInviteToGroup   again :)
2020-10-08 21:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7293: SUCCESS in 4 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7293/
2020-10-08 21:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: osInviteToGroup: mk sure avatar is really in same region; return value 2 if avatar is already member of the group
2020-10-08 21:36 <Tampa> Neat :D
2020-10-08 22:22 <osmantis> Bug #8777:04 osInviteToGroup not functioning as documented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8777 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-08 22:36 <Psi-Jack> I'm trying to figure out the cause of this problem. Teleport to a region, the region starts the process, times out, sends the agent back to the origin, failing TP.
2020-10-08 23:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #7294 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-08 23:26 <djphil> osGetGroupPicture (key uuid) would also be welcome
2020-10-08 23:26 <osmantis> Bug #8777:04 osInviteToGroup not functioning as documented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8777 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-08 23:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7294: SUCCESS in 5 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7294/
2020-10-08 23:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add GetFullGroupPowers(agentID, groupID) to groups modules. This returns the 'sum' of powers of all agent roles on that group, apply it to some OSSL (mantis 8777). It May be needed elsewhere
2020-10-09 08:18 <Tampa> That makes testing of role permissions as group owner impossible, but oh well
2020-10-09 09:10 <osmantis> Bug #8777:04 osInviteToGroup not functioning as documented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8777 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-09 11:25 <osmantis> Bug #8777:04 osInviteToGroup not functioning as documented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8777 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-09 11:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #7295 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-09 11:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #7296 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-09 11:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7296: SUCCESS in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7296/
2020-10-09 11:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add INVENTORY_SETTING lsl constant; cosmetics
2020-10-09 14:22 <osmantis> Bug #8777:04 osInviteToGroup not functioning as documented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8777 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-09 17:29 <djphil> INVENTORY_SETTING added to the wiki at http://opensimulator.org/wiki/LSL_Status/Constants
2020-10-09 17:31 <Ubit> ty
2020-10-09 17:32 <djphil> yw
2020-10-09 17:33 <djphil> osGetCurrentSunHour is still valid for 0.9.2?
2020-10-09 17:34 <Ubit> don't remember
2020-10-09 17:34 <Ubit> yeah kinda is
2020-10-09 17:34 <Ubit> well is..
2020-10-09 17:34 <Ubit> :)
2020-10-09 17:35 <djphil> Ouf!, there is one left :)
2020-10-09 19:30 <Psi-Jack> I'm trying to figure out the cause of this problem. Teleport to a region, the region starts the process, times out, sends the agent back to the origin, failing TP. Anyone have any ideas on this? This is happening a lot on fairly current -dev.
2020-10-10 16:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #7297 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-10 17:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7297: SUCCESS in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7297/
2020-10-10 17:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: stop sending parcel info totally out of time
2020-10-10 17:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #7298 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-10 17:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7298: SUCCESS in 4 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7298/
2020-10-10 17:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv with llsd micro opt
2020-10-10 18:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #7299 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-10 18:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7299: SUCCESS in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7299/
2020-10-10 18:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make use of some of those on inventory caps; fix some set of sp osutf8 fields
2020-10-10 18:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #7300 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-10 18:21 <Ubit> ohh my cat helped me coding..  renamed osUTF8 CheckCapacity  as sssss(tons more)CheckCapacity
2020-10-10 18:22 <Ubit> wonder what she had in mind
2020-10-10 18:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7300: SUCCESS in 3 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7300/
2020-10-10 18:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: duuhhhh...
2020-10-10 18:44 <Plugh> :)
2020-10-10 19:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #7301 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-10 19:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7301: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7301/
2020-10-10 19:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change cap eventqueue to use some of those useless changes
2020-10-10 19:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #7302 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-10 19:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7302: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7302/
2020-10-10 19:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: disabpe lludp packetpool
2020-10-10 19:46 <Ubit> disabpe  nice :)
2020-10-10 23:44 <osmantis> Bug #8778:04 land buying using gloebit money module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8778 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-10-11 03:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #7303 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-11 03:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7303: SUCCESS in 4 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7303/
2020-10-11 03:05 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: silly bug on llSetText exec
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2020-10-11 05:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #7304 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-11 06:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7304: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7304/
2020-10-11 06:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: handle a sp null ref better
2020-10-11 14:55 <Ubit> just restarted and overloaded bahh
2020-10-11 15:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #7305 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-11 15:31 <osmantis> Bug #8780:04 6e3f0a140c 2020-10-11 06:55:35 +0100 causes viewer crash on some regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8780 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-10-11 15:34 <osmantis> Bug #8780:04 6e3f0a140c 2020-10-11 06:55:35 +0100 causes viewer crash on some regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8780 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-11 15:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7305: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7305/
2020-10-11 15:36 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: check new agent access before creating other things
2020-10-11 15:36 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: register getassets to caps and not directly to http server
2020-10-11 15:52 <osmantis> Bug #8779:04 land buying using gloebit money module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-11 16:02 <osmantis> Bug #8779:04 land buying using gloebit money module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-11 16:03 <Tampa> Ah darn forgot to set that as resolved ;P
2020-10-11 16:06 <osmantis> Bug #8780:04 6e3f0a140c 2020-10-11 06:55:35 +0100 causes viewer crash on some regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8780 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-11 16:07 <Tampa> So master from like a couple months ago, directly to current does cause crash as soon as you land on the region. No clue as to why yet, probably some data mismatch in EEP or estates, just nuked the database and loaded from oar, problem solved, though may cause issues for some folks when release happens
2020-10-11 16:07 <BillBlight> yep
2020-10-11 16:07 <BillBlight> we were working on it overnight
2020-10-11 16:07 <osmantis> Bug #8780:04 6e3f0a140c 2020-10-11 06:55:35 +0100 causes viewer crash on some regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8780 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-11 16:07 <Tampa> Got a clue what it is caused by?
2020-10-11 16:07 <BillBlight> well Ubit was working I was crash test dummy
2020-10-11 16:08 <Ubit> guess what, could not repo  on win
2020-10-11 16:08 <Ubit> lol
2020-10-11 16:08 <osmantis> Bug #8780:04 6e3f0a140c 2020-10-11 06:55:35 +0100 causes viewer crash on some regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8780 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2020-10-11 16:09 <Tampa> My guess is fetching some data from db, since recreating that fixes it, unfortunately didn't do a db dump to compare :S
2020-10-11 16:09 <Ubit> bad guess :p
2020-10-11 16:09 <Ubit> i know what it is, not why..
2020-10-11 16:10 <Tampa> Well it must be outside oar, cause deploying from that resolves the issue
2020-10-11 16:10 <Tampa> Which is easy, but you know some folks are too lazy even for that
2020-10-11 16:10 <BillBlight> well restarting region fixes it temp, then it comes back over time
2020-10-11 16:11 <Tampa> Only happens between months of binaries, if keeping up to date weekly it works fine
2020-10-11 16:13 <BillBlight> Not true
2020-10-11 16:13 <BillBlight> as Outreach is updated with every commit
2020-10-11 16:14 <Tampa> I got no reports of issues and tend to update once a month, first time happened today accidentally loading a 4 month old binary pre uglysky and then loading latest master
2020-10-11 16:15 <BillBlight> as I said, it is time based ... (and only happens if certain conditions are met)  if you have something on the region that meets the condiditions, just wait, it will start crashing
2020-10-11 16:15 <BillBlight> well region will not crash, but viewer will
2020-10-11 16:17 <Tampa> What are those conditions?
2020-10-11 16:17 <BillBlight> 2020-10-11T16:09:12Z WARNING # llmath/llvolume.cpp(3633) LLVolumeParams::setType : LLVolumeParams::setType changing bad path ( ) to be LL_PCODE_PATH_LINE
2020-10-11 16:17 <BillBlight> 2020-10-11T16:09:12Z WARNING # llprimitive/llvolumemessage.cpp(483) LLVolumeMessage::constrainVolumeParams : LLVolumeMessage::constrainVolumeParams() - forced to constrain incoming volume params: 0x0081
2020-10-11 16:19 <Tampa> Malformed prims?
2020-10-11 16:20 <BillBlight> so it thinks, but not actually
2020-10-11 16:22 <Tampa> Do all viewers crash on that?
2020-10-11 16:22 <Tampa> Not that I could test others Singu still doesn't install lol
2020-10-11 16:23 <Tampa> The region this happened on is fairly light just a couple prims on it and not much else either, just setup yesterday actually
2020-10-11 16:29 <Tampa> Doesn't seem to be anything out of the ordinary in the database it seems
2020-10-11 16:30 <BillBlight> Not DB related, packet related, llUDP related ... Ubit is trying to track it down, like he said he knows , what, just not , why ..
2020-10-11 16:31 <BillBlight> it is a realtime issue that occurs over time
2020-10-11 16:31 <Ubit> well and now i need to sleep :(
2020-10-11 16:31 <BillBlight> maybe do a commit that says it is broken
2020-10-11 16:31 <Ubit> 17:30 here
2020-10-11 16:32 <Tampa> Well it happened for me moving from an old to new binary and only deleting the database and creating a new one loading the region from oar fixed it, not sure if that's a clue
2020-10-11 16:33 <BillBlight> well depends on how long the region is running , for this specific error
2020-10-11 16:34 <Tampa> I did see some udp out of order packet warnings, though that may just be packet loss or nic overload
2020-10-11 16:35 <Tampa> Out of 300+ simulators it was the first that did it, so also rather rare, which doesn't help debugging :s
2020-10-11 16:36 <Tampa> ASSERT (Instance with this same key already exists!) in the bugsplat, that happened last time I upgraded the viewer, had to nuke the appdata and that resolved it then
2020-10-11 16:36 <Tampa> So that region is now doing that again
2020-10-11 16:36 <Tampa> Odd, it was fine a few hours ago when I redeployed it
2020-10-11 16:37 <BillBlight> as I said, it reappears over time
2020-10-11 16:38 <Tampa> Bogus volume parameters in object 2ee84b19-0270-4d6e-ae7e-2bcdce64b75a @ { 130.578995, 122.975998, 23.620590 } 
2020-10-11 16:38 <BillBlight> yep
2020-10-11 16:38 <BillBlight> TADA .. It came back just as said it would
2020-10-11 16:38 <Tampa> Now if I shut it down, delete that from db...
2020-10-11 16:39 <BillBlight> it will move to a new  prim later down the road
2020-10-11 16:39 <BillBlight> most likely
2020-10-11 16:41 <Tampa> Okay binary that is 5 days older it works just fine
2020-10-11 16:41 <Tampa> So it must be changes in the last week
2020-10-11 16:44 <Ubit> well if git works..
2020-10-11 16:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #7306 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-11 16:45 <Ubit> damm git typed faster than me
2020-10-11 16:46 <Ubit> issue is worse with clean viewer cache
2020-10-11 16:47 <Tampa> So this binary from the 6th of oct works, the one I made on the 9th causes a crash
2020-10-11 16:47 <Tampa> Weird
2020-10-11 16:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7306: SUCCESS in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7306/
2020-10-11 16:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8780: possible tmp work around
2020-10-11 16:50 <Tampa> oct 8 binary crashes, oct 1st is fine
2020-10-11 16:52 <Tampa> Perhaps the libomv updates?
2020-10-11 16:52 <Tampa> That's from the 6th after that the binaries I have are bad
2020-10-11 16:55 <Tampa> Sep 26 15:13 ZetaSim-testing-b446 <-- good
2020-10-11 16:55 <Tampa> Oct  1 03:46 ZetaSim-testing-b447 <-- good
2020-10-11 16:55 <Tampa> Oct  8 11:42 ZetaSim-testing-b449 <--- bad
2020-10-11 16:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #7307 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-11 17:00 <Ubit> i hate the dark moon grrr
2020-10-11 17:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7307: SUCCESS in 3 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7307/
2020-10-11 17:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: viewers do caps before knowing where they are. Tell them to take a walk and try later on 2 cases
2020-10-11 17:01 <Tampa> Whenever you touch udp it ends bad huh, gurl you need to take control of that udp xD
2020-10-11 17:01 <Tampa> Chin up Ubit, we feel the pain :)
2020-10-11 17:08 <Tampa> Okay just built, no crash yet, gonna wait till after dinner and see
2020-10-11 17:13 <Ubit> if you seen the code, what was a extra zero on a serial stream why well..
2020-10-11 17:14 <Ubit> worse is why it shows up later  doing the same code
2020-10-11 17:14 <BillBlight> yeah the dark moon is annoying
2020-10-11 17:14 <Ubit> guess fs will answer my jira that, that is spec
2020-10-11 17:14 <Ubit> bahh
2020-10-11 17:15 <Ubit> when it was a eep improvement
2020-10-11 17:20 <Ubit> the env transitions are so silly
2020-10-11 17:20 <Ubit> moon or sun go from one side to the other across sky
2020-10-11 17:21 <Ubit> rest a ugly mess
2020-10-11 17:21 <Ubit> ok going sleep .. happy crashes
2020-10-11 18:48 <osmantis> Bug #8780:04 6e3f0a140c 2020-10-11 06:55:35 +0100 causes viewer crash on some regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8780 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-11 18:50 <djphil> :) INFOS : jopensim 0.3.2.0 is released : INFOS :)
2020-10-11 19:06 <Tampa> Two hours since last login, haven't crashed on this one, looking good so far *knocks on wood*
2020-10-11 19:10 <osmantis> Bug #8780:04 6e3f0a140c 2020-10-11 06:55:35 +0100 causes viewer crash on some regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8780 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-11 19:11 <Tampa> I kinda wonder what happens now if I turn RecyclePackets back on though
2020-10-11 22:31 <osmantis> Bug #8780:04 6e3f0a140c 2020-10-11 06:55:35 +0100 causes viewer crash on some regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8780 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-11 22:41 <osmantis> Bug #8779:04 land buying using gloebit money module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-12 05:23 <BillBlight> oooohhh fred .. 
2020-10-12 05:23 <BillBlight> 
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2020-10-12 06:26 <osmantis> Bug #8779:04 land buying using gloebit money module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-12 06:50 <osmantis> Bug #8779:04 land buying using gloebit money module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-12 07:23 <osmantis> Bug #8779:04 land buying using gloebit money module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-12 07:24 <osmantis> Bug #8779:04 land buying using gloebit money module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8779 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-10-12 08:22 <osmantis> Bug #8780:04 6e3f0a140c 2020-10-11 06:55:35 +0100 causes viewer crash on some regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8780 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-12 11:55 <Tampa> He couldn't goodle gloebit source "don't know where to get it" I take things that are not true for 500
2020-10-12 11:55 <Tampa> What a cringefest
2020-10-12 11:59 <osmantis> Bug #8780:04 6e3f0a140c 2020-10-11 06:55:35 +0100 causes viewer crash on some regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8780 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-12 14:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #7308 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-12 14:06 <Ubit> ooops
2020-10-12 14:07 <Tampa> I'm not sure this works
2020-10-12 14:07 <Ubit> just had a fun crash on linux
2020-10-12 14:08 <Ubit> works fine on win
2020-10-12 14:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7308: SUCCESS in 4 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7308/
2020-10-12 14:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv (cross fingers)
2020-10-12 14:08 <Ubit> guess mono 6.. 12 has some things
2020-10-12 14:09 <Ubit> ofc no logs
2020-10-12 14:09 <Ubit> and my silly screen has no buffers grr
2020-10-12 14:10 <Tampa> Setup a screen.rc with a logfile directive
2020-10-12 14:11 <Tampa> screen -c screen.rc
2020-10-12 14:13 <Ubit> region crash, i meat
2020-10-12 14:14 <Tampa> You are truncating something apparently so there is incomplete data
2020-10-12 14:14 <Ubit> truncating what ??
2020-10-12 14:14 <Tampa> Surprised the tests aren't failing
2020-10-12 14:15 <Tampa> utf8getbytes or something
2020-10-12 14:15 <Ubit> well did clean the solution and recom and no crash
2020-10-12 14:15 <Tampa> Let me wipe the workspace manually and recompile as well
2020-10-12 14:16 <Tampa> binary data commits always seem iffy, wonder if this is git caching stuff
2020-10-12 14:17 <Ubit> something odd with mono on this type of code
2020-10-12 14:17 <Ubit> even the null term issue never did show up on win
2020-10-12 14:18 <Ubit> and ofc i do less use of memory, gc used more
2020-10-12 14:18 <Ubit> bahh
2020-10-12 14:18 <Ubit> uses..
2020-10-12 14:18 <Ubit> damm crap pseudo AI 
2020-10-12 14:19 <Ubit> other crash gezz
2020-10-12 14:22 <Tampa> You know, it is not like memory is not a-plenty these days, you don't need to save every byte, especially if it causes such issues
2020-10-12 14:23 <Tampa> I'd rather it use a couple mb more than worry about stability
2020-10-12 14:23 <Ubit> its not just mem
2020-10-12 14:24 <Tampa> I know, but sacrificing stability for efficiency needs to be done with a lot of caution
2020-10-12 14:24 <Ubit> defscrollback 2000 did nothing duu
2020-10-12 14:25 <Tampa> echo logfile ~/mylog.log > screen.rc, screen -c screen.rc, ...
2020-10-12 14:26 <Tampa> Not a pretty log, but will catch any stacktrace
2020-10-12 14:34 <Tampa> No crash this time
2020-10-12 14:35 <Ubit> i clean viewer cache and login on a 5k prims test region
2020-10-12 14:35 <Ubit> same oar as my win one, except win has another 1K size region
2020-10-12 14:35 <Ubit> 2 on same instance
2020-10-12 14:36 <Ubit> its a big crash.. directly to console with tons of text :)
2020-10-12 14:37 <Ubit> thats with mono .. 12  (9x) the stable
2020-10-12 14:39 <Ubit> now didn't crash. fun fun
2020-10-12 14:39 <Tampa> If you setup the screen.rc you should have caught it
2020-10-12 14:42 <Ubit> gezz usin mem like stupid
2020-10-12 14:42 <Tampa> I compiled on 6.12 but running on 6.10
2020-10-12 14:42 <Ubit> and no crash again
2020-10-12 14:43 <Ubit> this is likely runtime thing
2020-10-12 14:43 <Tampa> My test region went from 200mb to 170mb
2020-10-12 14:43 <Tampa> I can upgrade to 6.12 and try that
2020-10-12 14:45 <Ubit> well now froze the console even
2020-10-12 14:48 <Tampa> Hm, let me upgrade to 6.12 see if I can repro this again, I got no crashes since that first one
2020-10-12 14:48 <Tampa> Doing anything special to trigger it? repro steps?
2020-10-12 14:49 <Ubit> just log with clean cache to stress things
2020-10-12 14:49 <Ubit> i mai have a overrun pointer somewhere
2020-10-12 14:54 <Tampa> no object of size 68158688
2020-10-12 14:54 <Ubit> ?
2020-10-12 14:55 <Tampa> GetAgentPreferences received null or empty reply
2020-10-12 14:55 <Tampa> StoreAgentPreferences received empty reply
2020-10-12 14:55 <Tampa> GetAgentPreferences received null or empty reply
2020-10-12 14:55 <Tampa> StoreAgentPreferences received empty reply
2020-10-12 14:56 <Tampa> Then no object of size 68158688
2020-10-12 14:56 <Tampa> Followed by stacktrace
2020-10-12 15:59 <osmantis> Bug #8780:04 6e3f0a140c 2020-10-11 06:55:35 +0100 causes viewer crash on some regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8780 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-12 16:00 <osmantis> Bug #8780:04 6e3f0a140c 2020-10-11 06:55:35 +0100 causes viewer crash on some regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8780 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-12 16:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #7309 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-12 16:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7309: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7309/
2020-10-12 16:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv (cross fingers harder)
2020-10-12 16:41 <Ubit> well win still does not crash, ofc
2020-10-12 16:44 <Ubit> i didn't found any wild pointer btw
2020-10-12 16:44 <Ubit> so yeack..
2020-10-12 16:47 <Ubit> banggg smoke
2020-10-12 16:47 <Ubit> grrr
2020-10-12 16:51 <Tampa> Unfortunately not a smoking gun, that'd be helpful
2020-10-12 16:53 <Ubit> try running eith mono --debug --desktop opensim.exe ( plus the stack for ubode )
2020-10-12 16:54 <Ubit> i have no crash with that
2020-10-12 17:00 <Ubit> now my linux does not want to crash anyways grrr
2020-10-12 17:00 <Ubit> hmm dif is that i started as ./opensim.sh > lixo
2020-10-12 17:07 <Ubit> grr does not want to crash now
2020-10-12 17:08 <Ubit> hm try rm -fr addin-db-002/ on bin
2020-10-12 17:14 <Ubit> well my linux refuses to crash now bahh
2020-10-12 17:17 <Ubit> there is bill to crash it :p
2020-10-12 18:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #7310 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-12 18:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7310: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7310/
2020-10-12 18:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: coff cofff cofff
2020-10-12 18:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #7311 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-12 18:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7311: SUCCESS in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7311/
2020-10-12 18:32 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: another libomv change ( yes just one file)
2020-10-12 19:42 <Tampa> Time to declare hunting season on master huh give it a workout loading caches
2020-10-12 19:43 <Tampa> Seems a lot more stable now
2020-10-12 20:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #7312 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-12 20:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7312: SUCCESS in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7312/
2020-10-12 20:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: restore original RecyclePackets default
2020-10-12 20:14 <osmantis> Bug #8780:04 6e3f0a140c 2020-10-11 06:55:35 +0100 causes viewer crash on some regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8780 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-12 22:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #7313 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-12 22:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7313: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7313/
2020-10-12 22:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: define constants for simulation height (-100,50000m) and terrain heightmap (-100,4000). No option. compile time decision. use them at ubOde
2020-10-12 22:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #7314 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-12 22:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7314: SUCCESS in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7314/
2020-10-12 22:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: send those limits to any viewer that may care in OpensimExtras simulator features
2020-10-13 15:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #7315 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-13 15:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7315: SUCCESS in 5 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7315/
2020-10-13 15:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: replace llsd xml fw encoder
2020-10-13 15:57 <Ubit> forgot to tell site is back :)
2020-10-13 16:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #7316 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-13 16:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7316: SUCCESS in 4 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7316/
2020-10-13 16:46 <osjenkins> * melanie: Change health reporting thresholds, correct a typo
2020-10-13 16:46 <osjenkins> * melanie: Debugging for impersonation
2020-10-13 16:46 <osjenkins> * melanie: Trying some things to get the console client working again
2020-10-13 16:46 <osjenkins> * melanie: Improve handling of slow asset requests which previously could be successful but still be ignored
2020-10-13 22:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #7317 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-13 22:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7317: SUCCESS in 5 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7317/
2020-10-13 22:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: replace more llsd xml fw encoder
2020-10-14 11:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #7318 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-14 11:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7318: SUCCESS in 5 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7318/
2020-10-14 11:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix oar assets save
2020-10-14 19:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #7319 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-14 19:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7319: SUCCESS in 5 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7319/
2020-10-14 19:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: libomv
2020-10-15 06:40 <osmantis> Bug #7132:04 Collisions stop for no apparent reason on BulletSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7132 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-15 06:48 <osmantis> Bug #8737:04 There are three General questions in this. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8737 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-10-16 10:06 <Ubit> changed 0.9.2 release notes
2020-10-16 10:06 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/0.9.2.0_Release#Known_Issues
2020-10-16 10:56 <Ubit> improved http://opensimulator.org/wiki/0.9.2.0_Release#Acknowledgements
2020-10-16 10:57 <Ubit> hmm better now
2020-10-16 10:59 <djphil> The little cats are sad now
2020-10-16 10:59 <Ubit> why?
2020-10-16 11:00 <djphil> Well you deleted them ... ha no, just moved :)
2020-10-16 11:00 <Ubit> :)
2020-10-16 11:00 <JeffKelley> Opensimulator was commissioned, paid for, and run by cats (Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy)
2020-10-16 15:50 <osmantis> Bug #8781:04 Drag and drop of an inventory folder to another avatar loses one (last?) item in transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8781 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-10-16 15:53 <osmantis> Bug #8782:04 Update the build docs for readability, add OpenSim.ini to the gitignore 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8782 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-10-16 16:03 <osmantis> Bug #8782:04 Update the build docs for readability, add OpenSim.ini to the gitignore 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8782 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-16 16:21 <osmantis> Bug #8782:04 Update the build docs for readability, add OpenSim.ini to the gitignore 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8782 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-16 16:31 <osmantis> Bug #8782:04 Update the build docs for readability, add OpenSim.ini to the gitignore 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8782 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-16 16:36 <osmantis> Bug #8782:04 Update the build docs for readability, add OpenSim.ini to the gitignore 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8782 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-16 16:39 <osmantis> Bug #8781:04 Drag and drop of an inventory folder to another avatar loses one (last?) item in transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8781 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-16 16:40 <Tampa> while loops with functions as conditions are the worst, especially if the function is not found anywhere... must be system function then?
2020-10-16 16:41 <Tampa> It gets the transfer object and then takes pieces out and puts the object back then runs again until it is supposed to be empty, but it isn't
2020-10-16 16:42 <Ubit> yeah shutup about the "make some changes" :P
2020-10-16 16:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #7320 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-16 16:43 <osmantis> Bug #8782:04 Update the build docs for readability, add OpenSim.ini to the gitignore 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8782 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-16 16:46 <Tampa> So an inventory transfer is an object made of the list of the items in xml and then the data, but that list... I cannot find where that is read it seems to just go through the object trying to parse the xml
2020-10-16 16:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7320: SUCCESS in 6 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7320/
2020-10-16 16:48 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: adds OpenSim.ini to the gitignore and updates build instructions
2020-10-16 16:48 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: make some changes
2020-10-16 16:48 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: make some changes
2020-10-16 16:48 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: make some changes
2020-10-16 16:48 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: make some changes
2020-10-16 16:56 <osmantis> Bug #8782:04 Update the build docs for readability, add OpenSim.ini to the gitignore 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8782 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-16 17:04 <osmantis> Bug #8782:04 Update the build docs for readability, add OpenSim.ini to the gitignore 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8782 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-16 17:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #7321 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-16 17:51 <osmantis> Bug #8781:04 Drag and drop of an inventory folder to another avatar loses one (last?) item in transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8781 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-16 17:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7321: SUCCESS in 5 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7321/
2020-10-16 17:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8781: fix
2020-10-17 08:28 <osmantis> Bug #8781:04 Drag and drop of an inventory folder to another avatar loses one (last?) item in transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8781 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-10-17 09:24 <osmantis> Bug #8781:04 Drag and drop of an inventory folder to another avatar loses one (last?) item in transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8781 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-17 11:53 <osmantis> Bug #8781:04 Drag and drop of an inventory folder to another avatar loses one (last?) item in transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8781 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-10-17 11:54 <osmantis> Bug #8781:04 Drag and drop of an inventory folder to another avatar loses one (last?) item in transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8781 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-17 12:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #7322 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-17 12:37 <Ubit> oops
2020-10-17 12:38 <Ubit> MuSql ?? 
2020-10-17 12:38 <Ubit> MuSql ?? 
2020-10-17 12:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7322: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7322/
2020-10-17 12:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add makeaot.sh and cleanaot.sh for linux suicidal player. opensim should be started with -O=all option also. Forgetting to run cleanaot when needed may cause fun smoke. (files may need the exec (-x) flag due to creation in windows)
2020-10-17 12:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #7323 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-17 12:46 <Ubit> yeah you need to do chmod +x *aot.sh
2020-10-17 12:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7323: SUCCESS in 4 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7323/
2020-10-17 12:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix typos and update opensim.sh
2020-10-17 12:53 <Ubit> yeack
2020-10-17 13:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #7324 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-17 13:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7324: SUCCESS in 4 min 43 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7324/
2020-10-17 13:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add some aot options
2020-10-17 13:49 <Ubit> don't read http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Build_Instructions#Ahead_of_Time_compilation_.28AOT.29
2020-10-17 13:49 <Ubit> im on bad mood :p
2020-10-17 15:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #7325 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-17 15:12 <Ubit> well it seems to save mem
2020-10-17 15:12 <Tampa> Your memory saving frenzy is taking on new heights
2020-10-17 15:13 <Ubit> and ofc should same cpu
2020-10-17 15:13 <Ubit> save
2020-10-17 15:14 <Ubit> but to be outside IEEE754.. bad karma
2020-10-17 15:14 <Ubit> even very bad
2020-10-17 15:14 <Tampa> So once compile is complete I just run makeaot.sh then, I nuke workspace on recompile so should leave no files on recompile
2020-10-17 15:15 <Tampa> But then those binaries are unlikely to work on win?
2020-10-17 15:15 <Ubit> you understud this is testing right? :)
2020-10-17 15:15 <Ubit> it is native code!!! not even on another box
2020-10-17 15:16 <Tampa> Hm not even running same OS and mono?
2020-10-17 15:16 <Ubit> the generated code is for that exact CPU
2020-10-17 15:16 <Tampa> Interesting
2020-10-17 15:16 <Ubit> like most c++ optimizations.. same process
2020-10-17 15:17 <Tampa> Well I'ma try anyways cause I like blowing things up
2020-10-17 15:17 <Ubit> ahh and you can see *.so files added all over bin/
2020-10-17 15:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7325: SUCCESS in 6 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7325/
2020-10-17 15:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: hide --ffast-math mono option.. stay within IEEE754
2020-10-17 15:17 <Ubit> if u look to cleanaot its just deleting them
2020-10-17 15:18 <osmantis> Bug #8780:04 6e3f0a140c 2020-10-11 06:55:35 +0100 causes viewer crash on some regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8780 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-10-17 15:18 <Ubit> well a car still moves more or less like a car with --ffast-math
2020-10-17 15:18 <Ubit> but nahh i also did avoid such on ubode compile
2020-10-17 15:19 <Tampa> Hm I wonder if I can like create a template from another machine and tell it to base those on that
2020-10-17 15:19 <Tampa> Like stamping out cookies
2020-10-17 15:19 <Ubit> template is run makeoat on it :p
2020-10-17 15:19 <Ubit> you can do the other stages elsewhere
2020-10-17 15:19 <Ubit> Not that last one
2020-10-17 15:20 <Tampa> I could run it after moving it yes, might actually do that for testing
2020-10-17 15:21 <Tampa> Or maybe for non-debug builds
2020-10-17 15:21 <Ubit> well not much point doing it on debug builds
2020-10-17 15:21 <Ubit> may even break debug
2020-10-17 15:22 <Ubit> as i said, aot is to reduce the performance gap relative to proper languages :p
2020-10-17 15:22 <Ubit> it got more care now, because apple products forbid JIT
2020-10-17 15:22 <Ubit> iphones ithings..
2020-10-17 15:23 <Ubit> there is option --aot==full to totally kill JIT
2020-10-17 15:23 <Ubit> that would kill YEngine also :p
2020-10-17 15:24 <Ubit> and several others things
2020-10-17 15:24 <Ubit> possible all xml crap
2020-10-17 15:24 <Tampa> Uhh interesting...
2020-10-17 15:24 <Tampa> Let's try that!
2020-10-17 15:24 <Ubit> nahh we need jit
2020-10-17 15:25 <Ubit> the framework got tons of things added when dynamic code generation was considerer the best thing after good sex :p
2020-10-17 15:26 <Ubit> now Apple ( and others on critical processes) say NO
2020-10-17 15:27 <Ubit> any proper operating system should forbid dynamic code .. but whatever
2020-10-17 15:27 <Ubit> virus love that, and self modifing code etc
2020-10-17 15:28 <Ubit> yeack i hate GC so much
2020-10-17 15:29 <Ubit> and still no release notes for the mono 6.12.0
2020-10-17 15:30 <Ubit> guess that guy gaveup fixing that
2020-10-17 15:30 <Ubit> seems they lost a tool that did parse git commits
2020-10-17 15:33 <Tampa> Complain on their mailing list hehe
2020-10-17 15:33 <Tampa> That'll make em look bad
2020-10-17 15:33 <Ubit> had forgotten gc on the rant part
2020-10-17 15:33 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Build_Instructions#Ahead_of_Time_compilation_.28AOT.29
2020-10-17 15:39 <Ubit> better add another bold warning for all the Tampas outthere
2020-10-17 15:39 <Ubit> oops
2020-10-17 15:39 <Ubit> :p
2020-10-17 15:43 <Tampa> Heh
2020-10-17 15:44 <Ubit> there
2020-10-17 15:44 <Ubit> added
2020-10-17 15:44 <Ubit> of impossble to guess all things Tampas do :p
2020-10-17 15:45 <Ubit> (strange things one can say.. )
2020-10-17 15:45 <Ubit> 
ACTION runs and hides

2020-10-17 15:46 <Tampa> If I wasn't breaking stuff where would you get your fun from xD
2020-10-17 15:47 <Ubit> ok added another thing for Tampas
2020-10-17 15:47 <Ubit> the exe and .dll files are still needed :p
2020-10-17 15:51 <Tampa> I'll reconfigure my release deployment and try this out soon, gotta put some pants on first
2020-10-17 15:54 <Ubit> lets see if people will "once upon a time, there was a grid, then it went aot and was not more"
2020-10-17 15:54 <Ubit> will say..
2020-10-17 15:55 <Ubit> 
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2020-10-17 15:56 <Tampa> Not like going back is difficult lol
2020-10-17 15:57 <Tampa> Would be funny
2020-10-17 17:47 <Ubit> "once upon a time, Tampa had a grid, then it went aot and grid was not more"
2020-10-17 17:47 <Ubit> dang still bad
2020-10-17 17:47 <Ubit> "once upon a time, Tampa had a grid, then it went aot and grid was no more"
2020-10-17 17:47 <Ubit> :p
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2020-10-18 14:41 <djphil> And opensimulator.org one more time dead ...
2020-10-20 03:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #7326 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-20 03:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7326: SUCCESS in 5 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7326/
2020-10-20 03:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv
2020-10-20 06:49 <osmantis> Bug #8603:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetAvatarProperties 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8603 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-10-20 06:49 <osmantis> Bug #8783:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetGroupImage 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8783 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-10-20 06:49 <osmantis> Bug #8784:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Groups v2 on speparate database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8784 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-10-20 06:52 <osmantis> Bug #8615:04 Syntax highlight missing for all JsonStore functions and constants 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8615 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2020-10-20 20:22 <djphil> OnLook Viewer is too another viewer for opensim steevithak ;)
2020-10-20 20:23 <djphil> delopped by diva, available @ http://metaverseink.com/Downloads.html
2020-10-20 20:24 <steevithak> thanks, is OnLook development active or inactive?
2020-10-20 20:24 <steevithak> ah, looks active, I see a 3/4/2020 release
2020-10-20 20:24 <djphil> I think inactive
2020-10-20 20:24 <djphil> ha ok, cool then :)
2020-10-20 20:25 <steevithak> oh, sorry, I'm wrong about that, the latest OnLook release is 12/04/2014
2020-10-20 20:25 <djphil> but no ... not from 2020
2020-10-20 20:25 <djphil> seems 2014/2015
2020-10-20 20:25 <steevithak> yes, 2014 looks correct
2020-10-20 20:26 <djphil> :)
2020-10-20 20:26 <djphil> Diva is the name of devlopper and a custom version of opensim with a web interface called wifi
2020-10-20 20:27 <djphil> sources here https://github.com/diva
2020-10-20 21:31 <Tampa> So vivox is dead now, tried to use their old form through web archive, but seems the registration routines have been deleted from their server which means you can no longer request vivox for OpenSim
2020-10-20 21:33 <djphil> https://opensim.vivox.com/opensim/
2020-10-20 21:34 <Tampa> No
2020-10-20 21:35 <Tampa> There is no return from this anymore
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2020-10-21 12:15 <osmantis> Bug #8784:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Groups v2 on speparate database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8784 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-21 12:17 <Tampa> @djphil you can even tell it to use a different database for griduserservice it seems
2020-10-21 12:41 <osmantis> Bug #8785:04 Unix compatible timestamps 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8785 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-10-21 12:56 <osmantis> Bug #8784:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Groups v2 on speparate database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8784 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-10-21 20:06 <osmantis> Bug #8786:04 osDrawImage tends to not work with https image urls 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8786 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-10-21 21:41 <osmantis> Bug #8786:04 osDrawImage tends to not work with https image urls 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8786 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-10-21 22:03 <djphil> Thanks for the patch Tampa ;)
2020-10-21 22:05 <djphil> It looks like you skipped standalone mode
2020-10-21 22:51 <osmantis> Bug #8786:04 osDrawImage tends to not work with https image urls 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8786 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-21 23:02 <osmantis> Bug #8786:04 osDrawImage tends to not work with https image urls 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8786 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-10-22 01:06 <Tampa> I can add standalone to it, but not sure what use it has, but it's just some text anyway so you can add another patch for that also :)
2020-10-22 01:06 <Tampa> I don't use standalone anymore I setup full robust and simulator even for standalone, better load distribution
2020-10-22 01:33 <Tampa> osmantis is dead huh
2020-10-22 01:33 <Tampa> rip
2020-10-22 01:54 <Plugh> ? The mantis bug tracker for OpenSimulator is still running.
2020-10-22 01:58 <Tampa> the irc bot
2020-10-22 07:03 <osmantis> Bug #8786:04 osDrawImage tends to not work with https image urls 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8786 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-10-22 07:07 <osmantis> Bug #8784:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] Groups v2 on speparate database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8784 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-10-22 07:21 <osmantis> Bug #8787:04 Simian grid residues in OpensimDefault.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8787 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-10-22 07:34 <osmantis> Bug #8786:04 osDrawImage tends to not work with https image urls 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8786 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-10-22 08:29 <osmantis> Bug #8786:04 osDrawImage tends to not work with https image urls 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8786 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-22 13:20 <Tampa> hurray osmantis is back
2020-10-22 13:20 <Tampa> Ubit too
2020-10-22 14:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #7327 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-22 14:38 <Ubit> cleanaot and runprebuild neeede!
2020-10-22 14:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7327: SUCCESS in 5 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7327/
2020-10-22 14:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  remove Cenome assets cache module. Thanks to all that worked on it. Memory cache does not work well with current Garbage collect (not even .net native one)
2020-10-22 14:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #7328 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-22 14:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7328: FAILURE in 1 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7328/
2020-10-22 14:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  remove CoreAssetCache assets cache module. Thanks to all that worked on it. Memory cache does not work well with current Garbage collect (not even .net native one) (cleanaot, if used and runprebuild)
2020-10-22 14:48 <Ubit> ofc tests
2020-10-22 14:50 <Ubit> grrrr
2020-10-22 15:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #7329 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7327 1 hr 15 min ago)
2020-10-22 15:56 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-10-22 15:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7329: FIXED in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7329/
2020-10-22 15:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add TestsAssetCache using .net MemoryCache to tests only
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2020-10-22 20:32 <Ubit> made a few changes on http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Threading
2020-10-23 18:44 <Ubit> hmm ? how did "git push origin master" got in there?
2020-10-23 18:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #7330 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-10-23 18:45 <Ubit> well lets see tests fail
2020-10-23 18:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7330: SUCCESS in 5 min 26 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7330/
2020-10-23 18:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  make AssetServicesConnector do HG work (HGAssetServicesConnector should no not be in used now); change HGAssetBroker to be a extended derivative of it. WARNING TESTgit push origin master possible still very broken
2020-10-23 19:41 <Tampa> Ubit the kinda guy to heat his furnace with gunpowder and dynamite rather than coal or wood
2020-10-23 19:42 <BillBlight> Fortune favours the bold 
2020-10-23 19:45 <Tampa> Discriminating against cursive are you
2020-10-23 21:01 <Ubit> btw yes it is broken :p
2020-10-23 22:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #7331 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-23 22:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7331: SUCCESS in 5 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7331/
2020-10-23 22:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: some changes Still BAD
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2020-10-24 16:41 <Ubit> err
2020-10-24 16:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #7332 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-24 16:42 <Ubit> duu
2020-10-24 16:43 <Ubit> had forgotten to run prebuild..  big red screen :)
2020-10-24 16:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7332: FAILURE in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7332/
2020-10-24 16:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: some changes; let regions have own assets connector, make the services connector one be like ther older simpler one (as 0.8x). still not good
2020-10-24 17:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #7333 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7331 18 hr ago)
2020-10-24 17:22 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-10-24 17:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7333: FIXED in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7333/
2020-10-24 17:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a test
2020-10-24 20:48 <Condamnante> Hello. Can someone please tell me if the camera problem when simcrossing in SL is the same for OS. Thank you :)
2020-10-24 21:01 <Ubit> possible it is a viewers issue
2020-10-24 21:01 <Ubit> viewers do have control of camera
2020-10-24 21:01 <Ubit> and what issue? :)
2020-10-24 21:05 <Condamnante> When zou drive a vehicle in SL and cross sim border, your gamera goes flying away
2020-10-24 21:05 <Condamnante> you*
2020-10-24 21:14 <Ubit> i do see on ocasions it rotating
2020-10-24 21:14 <Ubit> never seen fly away
2020-10-24 21:15 <Ubit> but long since i tested
2020-10-24 21:15 <Ubit> and viewers had changes on that i think
2020-10-24 21:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #7334 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-10-24 21:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7334: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7334/
2020-10-24 21:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: some more changes; HG standalones broken (at least)
2020-10-25 00:14 <Tampa> So still no peep from vivox after 5 days so pretty sure that form is dead
2020-10-25 02:49 <osmantis> Bug #8788:04 llSameGroup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8788 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-10-25 09:28 <osmantis> Bug #8788:04 llSameGroup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8788 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-25 09:56 <osmantis> Bug #8788:04 llSameGroup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8788 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-10-25 10:21 <osmantis> Bug #8788:04 llSameGroup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8788 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-25 10:26 <Tampa> That's actually above my knowledge level on that code, it needs changes to scene and possibly even to database handlers, the lsl was the easy part to fix
2020-10-25 10:29 <djphil> It's already cool to know the problem is confirmed.
2020-10-25 10:31 <djphil> I would be curious to use your personal version of OpenSim but I can easily imagine that I would be very happy to see all the patches you use :p
2020-10-25 10:35 <Tampa> I'm up to 36 patches now over core, quite a few are reversing some limits and throttles which seem to hinder performance, though they probably also make some things less stable, rest is new functionality and common fixes
2020-10-25 10:36 <djphil> Do you really want to make me sick ^^
2020-10-25 10:42 <Tampa> Even have some dangerous stuff like osMakeScript
2020-10-25 10:44 <djphil> What can osMakeScript do?
2020-10-25 10:45 <Tampa> Make a script, clue is in the name
2020-10-25 10:46 <djphil> So how would that be more dangerous than doing it the normal way?
2020-10-25 10:46 <Tampa> Self replication
2020-10-25 10:47 <Tampa> Make a script that makes a script that makes a script
2020-10-25 10:47 <Tampa> bye bye region
2020-10-25 10:48 <djphil> Yeah I can understand ... but hey
2020-10-25 10:49 <djphil> osMakeScript (target uuid, string script) is of obvious interest
2020-10-25 10:50 <djphil> But I promise I won't make a new feature request :p
2020-10-25 10:50 <Tampa> It cannot create a script in another prim heaven forbid that be even worse lol
2020-10-25 10:51 <djphil> hehe ^^
2020-10-25 10:51 <Tampa> Just something that allows self writing code really so a script can spawn subroutines as needed and delete the script when done for example
2020-10-25 10:51 <djphil> using script pin is an eyesore
2020-10-25 10:53 <djphil> Ha ok, I see what you use it for.
2020-10-25 10:53 <Tampa> Well in some ways you still have to use that if you want to move the script and I don't remember if it was needed to start it
2020-10-25 10:54 <djphil> Yes it is necessary to start it
2020-10-25 11:34 <osmantis> Bug #8788:04 llSameGroup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8788 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2020-10-25 13:32 <Condamnante> Hello. Any idea if I can achieve mouse-steering to move the avatar by default (what I mean is to move like it does when you click your avatar and rotate mouse)
2020-10-25 16:21 <osmantis> Bug #8788:04 llSameGroup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8788 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-25 18:54 <osmantis> Bug #8789:04 Fix for undo position on attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8789 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-10-25 18:54 <osmantis> Bug #8789:04 Fix for undo position on attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8789 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2020-10-25 19:40 <osmantis> Bug #8789:04 Fix for undo position on attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-25 19:51 <osmantis> Bug #8788:04 llSameGroup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8788 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-25 19:59 <osmantis> Bug #8788:04 llSameGroup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8788 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-25 20:35 <osmantis> Bug #8789:04 Fix for undo position on attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-25 20:53 <osmantis> Bug #8788:04 llSameGroup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8788 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-25 21:04 <osmantis> Bug #8789:04 Fix for undo position on attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-26 14:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #7335 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-26 14:29 <osmantis> Bug #8789:04 Fix for undo position on attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8789 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-26 14:32 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7335: SUCCESS in 5 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7335/
2020-10-26 14:32 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: Fixed undo positions for attachments
2020-10-26 14:32 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: minor change to last patch
2020-10-26 14:32 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix llGetLinkKey to support LINK_* constants
2020-10-26 14:33 <osmantis> Bug #8788:04 llSameGroup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8788 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-26 14:42 <osmantis> Bug #8790:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetGroupName 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8790 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-10-26 14:43 <djphil> :p
2020-10-26 14:45 <Tampa> osGroupID2Name, already done, need to test though
2020-10-26 14:45 <djphil> D2 ?
2020-10-26 14:45 <Tampa> osKey2Name
2020-10-26 14:46 <djphil> HO you mean osGroupKey2Name ...
2020-10-26 14:46 <Tampa> Eh fine I'll rename it
2020-10-26 14:46 <djphil> :)
2020-10-26 14:47 <djphil> osGetGroupName : This one is pretty too but it's always good to respect the same conventions
2020-10-26 14:48 <Tampa> Not sure how I should do HG on groups though, have a feeling that might explode
2020-10-26 14:48 <djphil> Like this we have to think less when we create a script
2020-10-26 14:49 <Tampa> osGetGroupName would be for getting group name of avatar or object not a plain uuid to name conversion
2020-10-26 14:49 <Tampa> osGroupKey2Name(llDetectedGroup)
2020-10-26 14:51 <osmantis> Bug #8788:04 llSameGroup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8788 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-26 14:51 <djphil> osGetGroupKey maybee ... bc 02llDetectedGroup01 return a integer, not a groupID
2020-10-26 14:52 <djphil> we have no ability to get a group uuid and a group name ... and a group image
2020-10-26 14:53 <djphil> Membership of groups is trickier ...
2020-10-26 14:54 <djphil> But basic (uuid, name, pics) are welcome :)
2020-10-26 14:54 <Tampa> wait why the hell does detectedgroup return an integer
2020-10-26 14:54 <Ubit> Sorry, wiki.secondlife.com has been blocked by your network administrator.
2020-10-26 14:54 <Ubit> wtf
2020-10-26 14:54 <djphil> if (TRUE) then do it ... else BOOM
2020-10-26 14:55 <djphil> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlDetectedGroup
2020-10-26 14:55 <Ubit> This site is blocked due to content filtering.
2020-10-26 14:55 <Tampa> Returns an integer that is TRUE if the detected object or agent has the same active group as the prim containing the script.
2020-10-26 14:55 <Ubit> gezz i can't reach sl wiki now
2020-10-26 14:55 <osmantis> Bug #8788:04 llSameGroup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8788 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-26 14:55 <Tampa> That's literally the same as samegroup wtf SL
2020-10-26 14:56 <Tampa> God damnit right so we need a osDetectedGroup as well...
2020-10-26 14:56 <Tampa> Let me scream into this pillow then I'll have a look
2020-10-26 14:57 <Ubit> wiki.secondlife.com is a WRONG block
2020-10-26 14:57 <Ubit> STOP STUPID BULLSHIT BLOCKS
2020-10-26 14:57 <osmantis> Bug #8791:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetGroupKey 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8791 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-10-26 14:57 <Ubit> cisco umbrella
2020-10-26 14:57 <Ubit> wtf
2020-10-26 14:58 <djphil> Tampa, osDetectedGroup implies something detectable by touch or sensor ... I think the word "detected" is not appropriate
2020-10-26 14:59 <Ubit> can't reach yt either
2020-10-26 14:59 <Ubit> You can't visit www.youtube.com right now because the website uses HSTS. Network errors and attacks are usually temporary, so this page will probably work later.
2020-10-26 15:00 <djphil> are you logged in Ubit (to sl wiki)
2020-10-26 15:00 <osmantis> Bug #8788:04 llSameGroup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8788 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-26 15:00 <Ubit> that was something from my ISP.. using a crap called cisco umbrella
2020-10-26 15:01 <Ubit> now see edge also refuse to connect to yt
2020-10-26 15:01 <Ubit> twitch also
2020-10-26 15:01 <Ubit> duhh something odd
2020-10-26 15:02 <osmantis> Bug #8788:04 llSameGroup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8788 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-10-26 15:03 <Ubit> well restart the all pc
2020-10-26 15:03 <Tampa> detected works on a lot of things, but well, lemme just write this patch and then you can break it
2020-10-26 15:03 <djphil> for Ubit https://pastebin.com/0H8Ekrxs
2020-10-26 15:03 <djphil> oops
2020-10-26 15:04 <djphil> why "detected" Tampa ?
2020-10-26 15:07 <djphil> Think for example of llGetLinkNumber and llDetectedLinkNumber
2020-10-26 15:07 <Tampa> osDetectedGroup to give you group key then convert to name, because llDetectedKey for example
2020-10-26 15:07 <djphil> The word "detected" has a meaning ...
2020-10-26 15:07 <Tampa> osGroupKey2Name(osDetectedGroup(0))
2020-10-26 15:10 <djphil> osGetGroupName(osGetGroupKey()) for single usage
2020-10-26 15:10 <djphil> osGetGroupName(osDetectedGroupKey(0)) for clic/sensor usage
2020-10-26 15:11 <djphil> but you are right, osGroupKey2Name is better
2020-10-26 15:11 <Tampa> How would osGetGroupKey even work what's the input for it?
2020-10-26 15:11 <djphil> because we could also have directly group name without group uuid
2020-10-26 15:12 <Tampa> This probably spews all sorts of trouble over HG anyways so I doubt Ubit is even gonna accept the patch
2020-10-26 15:12 <djphil> osGetGroupKey returns the groupID of the prim in which the script is located ...
2020-10-26 15:12 <djphil> idem for osGetGroupName ...
2020-10-26 15:13 <djphil> and if you use Key2NAme or NAme2Key then name or uuid is requiered
2020-10-26 15:14 <djphil> I just try to stay consistent with the conventions
2020-10-26 15:14 <Tampa> I would add a constant for llGetPrimitive Params to get group key of prim
2020-10-26 15:15 <Tampa> So the silly samegroup can also so getlinkparams lol
2020-10-26 15:15 <djphil> yep, cool :) and name too if possible
2020-10-26 15:16 <Tampa> osGetGroupKey and osGetLinkGroupKey perhaps yeah maybe, never done link stuff though... first things first getting this patch to work lol
2020-10-26 15:16 <djphil> llGetObjectetails return too the group uuid
2020-10-26 15:18 <osmantis> Bug #8791:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetGroupKey and osGetGroupName2Key 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8791 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2020-10-26 15:19 <osmantis> Bug #8790:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetGroupName and osGetGroupKey2Name 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8790 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2020-10-26 15:20 <djphil> wb
2020-10-26 15:20 <Tampa> osGetGroupName2Key(string groupName) say what good lord
2020-10-26 15:20 <Ubit> gezz i can't connect to any https site now
2020-10-26 15:20 <Tampa> Ubit check dnssec isp rolling that out now breaking stuff
2020-10-26 15:20 <Ubit> no idea
2020-10-26 15:20 <djphil> maybee you can read this page Uboit https://pastebin.com/0H8Ekrxs
2020-10-26 15:21 <Ubit> that worked
2020-10-26 15:21 <djphil> Safe
2020-10-26 15:21 <Ubit> seems sites the use  HSTS
2020-10-26 15:21 <Ubit> like yt and twitch
2020-10-26 15:22 <Ubit> sl wiki is other error..
2020-10-26 15:22 <Tampa> If hsts is the block then your certs are fubar perhaps
2020-10-26 15:22 <Ubit> blocked by cisco unblella
2020-10-26 15:22 <Tampa> Can someone explain to me why llDetectedGroup is the same as llSameGroup I mean really wtf
2020-10-26 15:23 <Ubit> well time did change yesterday
2020-10-26 15:23 <Ubit> hour i mean
2020-10-26 15:24 <djphil> llSameGroup(llDetectedKey(0)) is used to detect if a user wear the same group link the prim group
2020-10-26 15:25 <Tampa> Yeah but if detectedkey does uuid then detectedgroup you think too or maybe my logic is just bad
2020-10-26 15:25 <djphil> LlDetectedGroup detect if the user is in the group (withjout group actived for this user)
2020-10-26 15:26 <djphil> the difference is active group or just present in the group
2020-10-26 15:27 <Tampa> llActiveGroup then I mean really naming conventions for lsl are all over the place
2020-10-26 15:27 <Tampa> many cooks ruining the pudding
2020-10-26 15:27 <Tampa> Guess in the end up to Ubit what he wants to call the functions
2020-10-26 15:28 <Tampa> He'll have to do code anyways since I haven't a clue how to approach HG detecting group key or doing group key 2 name over HG without breaking everything
2020-10-26 15:29 <osmantis> Bug #8790:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetGroupName and osGetGroupKey2Name 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8790 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2020-10-26 15:29 <osmantis> Bug #8791:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetGroupKey and osGetGroupName2Key 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8791 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2020-10-26 15:30 <osmantis> Bug #8790:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetGroupName and osGetGroupKey2Name 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8790 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2020-10-26 15:32 <djphil> It started with 2 functions and it has already become 6 functions + 2 constants lol
2020-10-26 15:32 <osmantis> Bug #8788:04 llSameGroup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8788 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-26 15:34 <osmantis> Bug #8788:04 llSameGroup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8788 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-10-26 15:34 <Ubit> ok did force edge to clear certs bout twich and yt
2020-10-26 15:34 <Ubit> now cisco umbrella blocks them
2020-10-26 15:35 <Ubit> wtf
2020-10-26 15:44 <osmantis> Bug #8783:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetGroupImage 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8783 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2020-10-26 16:01 <Ubit> well seems both yt and tw use cisco certs
2020-10-26 17:28 <osmantis> Bug #8789:04 Fix for undo position on attachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8789 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2020-10-27 16:14 <Ubit> gezz
2020-10-27 16:14 <Ubit> [09:02] Basil Sosides: but a Question please, when we can enyoi to SL Physics ?
2020-10-27 16:14 <Ubit> You: easy, go there
2020-10-27 16:14 <Ubit> uff
2020-10-27 16:54 <BillBlight> wow
2020-10-27 16:57 <Ubit> ohh made a stack oveflow.. so fun
2020-10-27 16:59 <BillBlight> remember , time change for europe, so meeting time is off by an hour
2020-10-27 17:01 <BillBlight> still 11am PT
2020-10-27 17:01 <djphil> This is the last time the hour changes :)
2020-10-27 17:02 <BillBlight> we still change time
2020-10-27 17:02 <BillBlight> so PT time changes 
2020-10-27 17:02 <BillBlight> I think we change this coming weekend
2020-10-27 17:03 <djphil> We changed for the last time, yesterday at night
2020-10-27 17:03 <Ubit> yeah meeting in about 1 hours
2020-10-27 17:03 <Ubit> hour
2020-10-27 17:04 <Ubit> ie at 18:00 UTC
2020-10-27 17:04 <Ubit> until lazy americas change
2020-10-27 17:04 <djphil> You could create a script that would tell visitors if they are late or early and tell them the exact time of the next upcoming meeting. :p
2020-10-27 17:04 <Ubit> well more correctly grid time changes from PDT to PST
2020-10-27 17:17 <djphil> hy do we have images of regions (tiles) that will go into the "bin" folder? Why won't they go cleanly in the maptiles folder like they were in the past ... ?
2020-10-27 17:17 <djphil> Why*
2020-10-27 17:23 <Ubit> because..
2020-10-27 17:23 <Ubit> maptiles is a grid thing
2020-10-27 17:25 <djphil> the grid can't load an image in bin/maptiles/ ?
2020-10-27 17:27 <djphil> t's just a story of the path ... I imagine that if the path is filled in he should be able to find it ... no?
2020-10-27 17:30 <Tampa> I don't have maptiles in bin?
2020-10-27 17:31 <Tampa> I have them in maptiles folder
2020-10-27 17:31 <Tampa> Are you on a standalone config?
2020-10-27 17:31 <djphil> no, in a grid mode
2020-10-27 17:32 <djphil> with i simulator with 9 regions
2020-10-27 17:32 <djphil> and i have 9 images of region into bin folder
2020-10-27 17:32 <djphil> ex : MAP-9ee4e9ae-8424-4ec8-9e11-d5e0bdd82601.png.png
2020-10-27 17:33 <JeffKelley> maptiles are .jpg
2020-10-27 17:33 <djphil> and if I delete these 9 images they will be recreated in the same place
2020-10-27 17:33 <Tampa> With master code?
2020-10-27 17:34 <djphil> they are png, not jpg
2020-10-27 17:34 <djphil> yes with master too
2020-10-27 17:34 <djphil> i have 3 regions on my simulator master dev (in grid mode)
2020-10-27 17:34 <djphil> and 3 images png into bin
2020-10-27 17:35 <Tampa> You can set maptile directories both in gridservice and in maptile service sections of Robust.ini
2020-10-27 17:35 <Tampa> But by default they should be commented out and go into maptiles directory
2020-10-27 17:36 <djphil> here is a shot : http://digigrids.no-ip.org/maptiles/2020-10-27_18-35-44.png
2020-10-27 17:37 <Tampa> The maptiles you are seeing were put in as debug for warp3d if I recall and should only be present on the simulator side so you are running the simulators in the same binary folder as robust
2020-10-27 17:38 <djphil> well robust ini say default is maptiles
2020-10-27 17:38 <djphil> this is my config about
2020-10-27 17:38 <djphil> ; Set this if you want to change the default
2020-10-27 17:38 <djphil>     ; TilesStoragePath = "maptiles"
2020-10-27 17:38 <djphil> if commented that mean default is used
2020-10-27 17:38 <djphil> but isn't
2020-10-27 17:39 <Tampa> Like I said the maptiles you are seeing are simulator side
2020-10-27 17:39 <Tampa> It's the region that creates them and places them in bin for debugging, think Ubit put those in a while back
2020-10-27 17:39 <Tampa> Not sure if they are still needed
2020-10-27 17:40 <Tampa> And I think they only show on warp3d as well
2020-10-27 17:41 <djphil> I don't see the option to choose the folder in my opensim.ini or opensimdefault.ini configuration. The only place where this is possible is in robust.ini
2020-10-27 17:41 <djphil> And the comment indicates by default maptiles and not bin
2020-10-27 17:42 <djphil> The simulator puts it in bin and I don't see how I can put it in bin / maptiles via the configuration file
2020-10-27 17:43 <JeffKelley> what is in maptiles ?
2020-10-27 17:44 <djphil> one file water.jpg
2020-10-27 17:44 <djphil> and one directory "00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000" with many jpg
2020-10-27 17:44 <JeffKelley> mines are in maptiles/00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 and all jpeg, yes, that's your real maptiles
2020-10-27 17:45 <djphil> i agree
2020-10-27 17:45 <JeffKelley> good :)
2020-10-27 17:45 <djphil> but that doesn't tell me why I have png images in my bin folder ...
2020-10-27 17:45 <JeffKelley> maybe you have generated PNGs by some wizardry ?
2020-10-27 17:45 <BillBlight> Let's say this slower .............   "Ubit    Put    them     in    as    a     debug    for     warp3d   and    has    not    disabled    them"
2020-10-27 17:46 <BillBlight> There is NO config option for them
2020-10-27 17:46 <Tampa> Not sure if he forgot or wants to leave them for another round of debugging later
2020-10-27 17:47 <BillBlight> they are created in the same folder the region binary is run from
2020-10-27 17:47 <BillBlight> OMG THE WORLD IS ENDING I HAVE EXTRA PNG FILES
2020-10-27 17:48 <Tampa> djphil do you want me to make you a patch to remove them?
2020-10-27 17:48 <JeffKelley> mantis that !!! :)
2020-10-27 17:49 <Tampa> It's two lines, Warp3DImageModule.cs line 213 and 214 just comment out and compile, voila they are gone
2020-10-27 17:49 <djphil> If I delete them they are regenerated when starting the simulator ... and yes it is maybe a debug that ubit forgot to comment on ....
2020-10-27 17:49 <Tampa>             string filename = "MAP-" + m_scene.RegionInfo.RegionID.ToString() + ".png";
2020-10-27 17:49 <Tampa>             tile.Save(filename, ImageFormat.Png);
2020-10-27 17:49 <BillBlight> actually we have talked about this a few times before
2020-10-27 17:50 <Ubit> this talk is on ignore mode :p
2020-10-27 17:50 <Tampa> Just cronjob delete them xD
2020-10-27 17:50 <Ubit> refuse to talk about same thing over and over
2020-10-27 17:51 <BillBlight> or better idea, just ignore them
2020-10-27 17:52 <Tampa> They aren't big anyways png is pretty small
2020-10-27 17:52 <Tampa> ...wait
2020-10-27 17:52 <Tampa> are they png format or bmp, says bitmap... eh whatever
2020-10-27 17:53 <Tampa> I still mostly use the standard map, Warp3D takes too long on complex vars
2020-10-27 17:58 <djphil> This slows down the start of the simulator unnecessarily ... (In my case 9 regions with high details). But no it's not the end of the world but just a question.
2020-10-27 18:00 <Tampa> I don't generate maptiles on start, I do that later after it started
2020-10-27 18:01 <Tampa> The beauty of custom code :)
2020-10-27 18:03 <BillBlight> I run a cron job that tells the session to create maptiles after the fact
2020-10-27 18:06 <djphil> If you just have to comment 2 lines then it's not the end of the world either ...
2020-10-27 18:07 <djphil> But I will avoid this topic in the future.
2020-10-27 21:15 <Ubit> good :p
2020-10-27 21:58 <Tampa> Not entirely sure how this got so heated, but yeah anyways
2020-10-27 21:59 <Tampa> I keep having more and more issues with dataserver
2020-10-27 21:59 <Tampa> After a couple hours the requests just aren't processed anymore
2020-10-27 22:00 <Tampa> According to the script the request comes back, but nothing further happens with the data it is supposed to contain so either that's empty or...
2020-10-27 22:00 <Ubit> vodooo i say
2020-10-27 22:00 <Tampa> Well, I can't quite figure out what exactly breaks down, it's a simple script to check online status every 30 seconds
2020-10-27 22:01 <Tampa> timer event, agent data and dataserver return
2020-10-27 22:01 <Tampa> The higher I set the timer the worse it gets, at least that's what it seems like
2020-10-27 22:01 <Tampa> I added clearing for the request key and data so its all set to ""; afterwards
2020-10-27 22:02 <Tampa> Still consumes a lot of script time, I guess due to the timer?
2020-10-27 22:03 <Tampa> I guess I have to setup more debugging output and just wait a couple hours watching them to see what happens huh
2020-10-27 22:03 <Ubit> dunno
2020-10-27 22:04 <Tampa> I'm tempted to roll back the async changes to dataserver just to at least rule out that it is that
2020-10-27 22:05 <Tampa> Either something fills up over time or gets rejected by a throttle, but all without any error or feedback
2020-10-27 22:06 <Tampa> Plus those two things should recover over time I would imagine, but once broken it stays broken
2020-10-28 00:11 <osjenkins> Starting build #7336 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-28 00:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7336: SUCCESS in 5 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7336/
2020-10-28 00:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  dont let webrequests keep copies of all put/post. should not, but may impact some connections like redirection
2020-10-28 00:20 <Ubit> well this forces another roundtrip for expect100 but well
2020-10-28 00:21 <Ubit> not in the mood of making full handling of redirs etc
2020-10-28 00:23 <Ubit> ms so fun.. use writebuffers so all is handle automaticly.. Oh no wait.. you may run into memory issues..
2020-10-28 00:23 <Ubit> bahh
2020-10-28 09:20 <osjenkins> Starting build #7337 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-28 09:21 <Ubit> oops
2020-10-28 09:25 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7337: SUCCESS in 5 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7337/
2020-10-28 09:25 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change region asset connectors again. The new ini files must be used (should update automaticly). All region modes back, but testing needed, as usual. Left out automatic grid store retry, that needs better consideration (like on payed uploads). runprebuild, clearaot etc needed
2020-10-28 09:50 <Ubit> oops lol
2020-10-28 09:51 <osjenkins> Starting build #7338 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-28 09:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7338: FAILURE in 1 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7338/
2020-10-28 09:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file
2020-10-28 09:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #7339 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7337 35 min ago)
2020-10-28 09:55 <Ubit> grrr
2020-10-28 09:55 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7339: STILL FAILING in 1 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7339/
2020-10-28 09:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: other missing file
2020-10-28 09:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #7340 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #7337 37 min ago)
2020-10-28 10:00 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-10-28 10:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7340: FIXED in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7340/
2020-10-28 10:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: other missing file
2020-10-28 10:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #7341 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-10-28 10:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7341: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7341/
2020-10-28 10:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: yeack, it may be better to use cache on the most used get
2020-10-28 12:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #7342 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-28 12:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7342: SUCCESS in 4 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7342/
2020-10-28 12:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: in some cases store a hg asset on local grid is just waste
2020-10-28 12:21 <fantasy> hi all
2020-10-28 12:23 <fantasy> I have a curiosly. There is particular explane not use Nuget package in project?
2020-10-28 12:36 <Ubit> i personaly don't like it
2020-10-28 12:36 <Ubit> you are responsible for all the code on your application
2020-10-28 12:36 <Ubit> tools that hide updates or what code is.. are bad karma
2020-10-28 12:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #7343 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-28 13:00 <osmantis> Bug #8787:04 Simian grid residues in OpensimDefault.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8787 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-28 13:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7343: SUCCESS in 4 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7343/
2020-10-28 13:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8787: cleanup some references to simian on OpensimDefault.ini
2020-10-28 13:23 <osmantis> Bug #8788:04 llSameGroup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8788 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-28 13:28 <fantasy> Ubit Nuget hide notthing and it helps to take all code update with latest version. But it's my opinion. For example now there is dipendency not update for log could be use nuget and not update overwrite manualy. Olso with nuget it's dll or update it is not necessary to upload on repository. 
2020-10-28 13:46 <Ubit> it does hide... no one wants wild uncontroled code on a serious application
2020-10-28 13:46 <Ubit> so totally redundant.. only only needs the dlls not all that crap
2020-10-28 14:13 <osmantis> Bug #8787:04 Simian grid residues in OpensimDefault.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8787 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2020-10-28 14:13 <osmantis> Bug #8787:04 Simian grid residues in OpensimDefault.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8787 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2020-10-28 14:31 <osmantis> Bug #8783:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetGroupImage 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8783 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-28 14:33 <osmantis> Bug #8783:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetGroupImage 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8783 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-10-28 15:44 <fantasy> Ok i understand you prefer old manual style. But that it is a bad karma or no one use nuget in serius application it is a bit exagerate. Just point of view
2020-10-28 16:00 <BillBlight> Opensimulator is the type of app that if you can't understand how to update from a git repo, if building from source, you really most likely should not be compiling your own in the first place ..
2020-10-28 16:15 <Ubit> no one *should*
2020-10-28 16:17 <Ubit> and i say again, you as application creator are the only responsible for ALL the software include on it
2020-10-28 16:18 <Ubit> let automatic things manage all that.. packages and all its dependencies..
2020-10-28 16:19 <Ubit> bet u will find it is a lot easier to keep dlls/libs the old style
2020-10-28 16:19 <Ubit> you didn't learn about updates side effects with opensim? duhhh :p
2020-10-28 16:21 <Tampa> In reality it already does some automatic dependency, system dependency, and that already can cause big issues
2020-10-28 16:21 <Tampa> Remember the libgdiplus thing, yeah fun times
2020-10-28 16:21 <Tampa> I advocate for shipping "portable", but that's not really possible
2020-10-28 16:22 <Tampa> Setup a jenkins and configure it, voila full automatic builds including dependencies
2020-10-28 16:22 <Ubit> ohh my debian automatic updates 
2020-10-28 16:22 <Ubit> lost the entire machine.. 
2020-10-28 16:23 <Tampa> Thankfully libgdiplus is fixed now heh, can't imagine the fallout if that remained broken
2020-10-28 16:23 <Ubit> had a pain to recover the all mess
2020-10-28 16:23 <Ubit> well when i had a debian machine.. sniff sniff
2020-10-28 16:24 <Tampa> could be worse, could be centos
2020-10-28 16:24 <Ubit> gezz yeah
2020-10-28 16:24 <Ubit> :p
2020-10-28 16:24 <Tampa> Only thing that has for it, somehow databases run better, that's literally it, all else is worse
2020-10-28 16:25 <Tampa> All hail ubuntu or something
2020-10-28 16:25 <Tampa> jk they have their failures too
2020-10-28 16:25 <Tampa> netplan....
2020-10-28 16:27 <Ubit> ppl forget about kiss all the time
2020-10-28 16:27 <Ubit> 'kiss'
2020-10-28 16:29 <Tampa> It's often a case of re-inventing the wheel just for some fancy gimmick and in the end you get a pseudo virtual machine container that garbles your http and xml requests
2020-10-28 16:29 <Tampa> curse you LXD
2020-10-28 16:29 <Tampa> Two days of work and it says ello, World!
2020-10-28 16:29 <steevithak> haha, hey, I run CentOS for all my servers :D
2020-10-28 16:30 <Ubit> :)
2020-10-28 16:30 <steevithak> I'm waiting for OpenSimulator RPMs ;)
2020-10-28 16:30 <Tampa> centos and postgres is a good combo
2020-10-28 16:31 <Ubit> opensim mb more rph :p
2020-10-28 16:31 <Tampa> I was working on an apt repo a while back, never got around to finishing the automatic crc thingy
2020-10-28 16:32 <Tampa> You can pull binaries via wget though so yeah not much need
2020-10-28 16:32 <Ubit> or 8'' floppies :p
2020-10-28 16:33 <Ubit> well i have some. no driver :(
2020-10-28 16:33 <Tampa> OpenSim fits on a normal floppy with compression
2020-10-28 16:33 <Ubit> guess they mb a bit erased by now
2020-10-28 16:33 <Ubit> 30yrs?
2020-10-28 16:33 <Ubit> ot that is tape?
2020-10-28 16:33 <Tampa> No tape lasts longer
2020-10-28 16:33 <Ubit> not much longer
2020-10-28 16:34 <Tampa> I have tape recorders they all still work
2020-10-28 16:34 <Tampa> They are 50 years old now
2020-10-28 16:34 <Ubit> audio ?
2020-10-28 16:34 <Tampa> Yes
2020-10-28 16:35 <Ubit> you just remember the musics and brain fixes the white noise to sound like them :p
2020-10-28 16:35 <Tampa> haha
2020-10-28 16:36 <Tampa> Tape is still relevant else there is no justification for the insane cost of the tape drives
2020-10-28 16:36 <Tampa> LTO7 like 800 bucks
2020-10-28 16:36 <Ubit> what else lasts that long?
2020-10-28 16:37 <Ubit> gold cds?
2020-10-28 16:37 <Tampa> stone carvings
2020-10-28 16:37 <Ubit> that did remind the the silly voyager disk
2020-10-28 16:37 <Ubit> do ppl think that thing is still readable?
2020-10-28 16:37 <Ubit> gezz
2020-10-28 16:37 <Tampa> Well that's in a vacuum
2020-10-28 16:38 <Tampa> Maybe some radiation decay
2020-10-28 16:38 <Ubit> and micro metoes etc etc etc
2020-10-28 16:38 <Tampa> As far as that is out there are not that many anymore
2020-10-28 16:38 <Ubit> nahh it is still deep in solar sys
2020-10-28 16:39 <Tampa> it left actually
2020-10-28 16:39 <Ubit> notion of dimensions of the system changed
2020-10-28 16:39 <Tampa> Has been out for some time iirc
2020-10-28 16:39 <Ubit> they found a lot more out there
2020-10-28 16:41 <osmantis> Bug #8788:04 llSameGroup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8788 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-28 16:44 <Ubit> voyager 1 is at 159.88 UA from sun
2020-10-28 16:44 <Ubit> 150.88
2020-10-28 16:45 <Ubit> urrently, the furthest known objects, such as Comet West, have aphelia around 70,000 AU from the Sun
2020-10-28 16:45 <Ubit> thats 70000 AU versus 150 AU
2020-10-28 16:45 <Ubit> see?
2020-10-28 16:47 <Ubit> also wonder if disk good and give to new kid engineers if the could actually decode it
2020-10-28 16:47 <Ubit> given...
2020-10-28 16:48 <Ubit> like Sagan. but those ideas yeackk
2020-10-28 16:48 <Ubit> well liked
2020-10-28 16:49 <Ubit> home seti also a bit silly
2020-10-28 16:49 <Ubit> well whatever
2020-10-28 16:50 <Tampa> That thing is so far out it has a chance to go elsewhere if there is some other gravitational force coming from god knows where
2020-10-28 16:50 <Ubit> what vg1?
2020-10-28 16:50 <Ubit> didn't u read?
2020-10-28 16:51 <Tampa> Bit of a stretch to call that part of the solar system imo
2020-10-28 16:51 <Ubit> well but it is
2020-10-28 16:51 <Ubit> oort cloud estimates are around 100 000 AU 
2020-10-28 17:03 <Tampa> heliosphere is considered the outer boundary of the solar system though
2020-10-28 17:04 <Tampa> oort cloud is interstellar space
2020-10-28 17:06 <Ubit> poor pluto as a victim of requalification once they found more things out there
2020-10-28 17:07 <Ubit> who cares if there are more than 1500 similar size things found out there.. it was pluto!
2020-10-28 17:09 <fantasy> mmm
2020-10-28 17:12 <Tampa> That Rick and Morty episode was decent, not the best though
2020-10-28 17:15 <Ubit> bet on independence day III they will infect the alien ships with nuGets
2020-10-28 19:07 <Tampa> maybe the aliens aren't here cause they think we are stupid that we still have diseases so all those ufo sightings just aliens going "nope screw that"
2020-10-28 22:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #7344 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-28 22:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7344: SUCCESS in 5 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7344/
2020-10-28 22:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: bug fix: wrong parameters order
2020-10-29 02:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #7345 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-29 02:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7345: SUCCESS in 5 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7345/
2020-10-29 02:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add prim scale limits to OpenSimExtras simulator features, for viewers that may care..
2020-10-29 09:54 <osmantis> Bug #8788:04 llSameGroup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8788 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-29 13:46 <osmantis> Bug #8788:04 llSameGroup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8788 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-10-29 13:58 <Tampa> But detected params are sent on touch anyways so they exist, all it would do is pull out the groupid that is part of it, that doesn't add any load to the detected system as a whole...
2020-10-29 14:07 <Ubit> yes but not adding more parameters it them
2020-10-29 14:10 <Tampa> detectedparams contains GroupID already, some functions even use it to check stuff
2020-10-29 14:10 <Tampa> I haven't altered any objects
2020-10-29 14:11 <Tampa> Copy pasta pretty much the entire thing
2020-10-29 14:11 <Tampa> I'm flattered you think I know how to manipulate objects or whatever lol
2020-10-29 14:12 <Ubit> ok it does :p
2020-10-29 14:14 <Ubit> llDetectedGroup uses it :)
2020-10-29 14:15 <Ubit> why does sl hide that uuid.. odd
2020-10-29 14:23 <djphil> llGetObjectDetails(OBJECT_GROUP); don't hide the group uuid
2020-10-29 14:24 <Ubit> rtfm
2020-10-29 14:24 <djphil> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlGetObjectDetails
2020-10-29 14:24 <djphil> rtfm ?
2020-10-29 14:24 <Ubit> look better
2020-10-29 14:24 <Ubit> on object_group spec
2020-10-29 14:25 <Ubit> see?
2020-10-29 14:25 <djphil> no
2020-10-29 14:25 <Ubit> "Gets the prim's group key.
2020-10-29 14:25 <Ubit> If id is an avatar, a NULL_KEY is returned.[1]"
2020-10-29 14:25 <djphil> yes i see that
2020-10-29 14:26 <Ubit> comment is fun
2020-10-29 14:26 <Ubit> There are at least 3 JIRA's about OBJECT_GROUP and avatars, LL has refused all of them.
2020-10-29 15:12 <osmantis> Bug #8792:04 [QoL Improvement] Add progress to OAR and IAR loading 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8792 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-10-29 15:14 <Tampa> I thought that would be simple, but I don't fully grasp how it manages to keep track of itself anyways
2020-10-30 02:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #7346 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-30 02:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7346: SUCCESS in 5 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7346/
2020-10-30 02:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change asset fetch on uuidgatherer
2020-10-30 02:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add some bento pose animations for future firestorm and others.  Courtesy of Beq Janus and authors Miro Collas and Chaser Zaks
2020-10-30 16:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #7347 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-30 16:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7347: SUCCESS in 5 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7347/
2020-10-30 16:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: clean up opensim library scripts. This are suposed to be usefaul, or at least have some didactic use
2020-10-30 16:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #7348 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-30 16:27 <Ubit> usefaul ?? gezz
2020-10-30 16:28 <Ubit> that guy needs to learn how to type
2020-10-30 16:29 <Tampa> You need to write your commit message and then read it back slowly
2020-10-30 16:29 <Tampa> Helps
2020-10-30 16:30 <Ubit> nahh only one hour later the typos become visible :p
2020-10-30 16:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7348: SUCCESS in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7348/
2020-10-30 16:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: flotsam: fix full cached file replacement, do default assets caching with replacement on startup
2020-10-30 16:31 <Ubit> well viewers cache need to be clean, robust updated..
2020-10-30 16:31 <Ubit> for library to update
2020-10-30 16:31 <Ubit> guess will take ages for osg to update robust :)
2020-10-30 16:33 <Tampa> If you need more example library scripts let me know, I got some juicy xmlrpc ones muuhhahahah
2020-10-30 17:20 <djphil> sur FG ou chez moi t'arrive pas non plus ?
2020-10-30 17:21 <djphil> en tous cas je ne pas ton pseudo, sauf ici
2020-10-30 17:21 <djphil> OOPS wrong windows :p
2020-10-30 17:23 <Tampa> gesundheit
2020-10-30 17:24 <djphil> thank's ^^
2020-10-30 18:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #7349 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-30 18:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7349: SUCCESS in 4 min 34 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7349/
2020-10-30 18:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix local grid assetservice on standalone.ini
2020-10-30 22:06 <Ubit> a avatar with complexity 699855 lol
2020-10-30 22:08 <Ubit> 2 bracelets each having 2 prims with more than 100k triangles
2020-10-30 22:11 <Tampa> Seen complexity of a million or two
2020-10-30 22:11 <Tampa> Some folks are crazy
2020-10-30 22:11 <Tampa> Or clueless
2020-10-30 22:15 <djphil> or both :p
2020-10-31 00:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #7350 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-31 00:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7350: SUCCESS in 5 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7350/
2020-10-31 00:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove a forgotten warning about YEngine
2020-10-31 12:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #7351 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-31 12:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7351: SUCCESS in 5 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7351/
2020-10-31 12:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few changed on avatar stand cases
2020-10-31 13:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #7352 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-10-31 13:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7352: SUCCESS in 4 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7352/
2020-10-31 13:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missed one
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2020-11-01 19:17 <osmantis> Bug #8793:04 llBreakLink does not work properly in YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8793 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-01 19:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #7353 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-01 20:02 <osmantis> Bug #8793:04 llBreakLink does not work properly in YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8793 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-01 20:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7353: SUCCESS in 5 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7353/
2020-11-01 20:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8793: break link even if it is the script prim; adicialy standup all avatars as spec. Don't like this standup it is fundamentaly silly done on all cases, may review this later
2020-11-01 20:21 <Tampa> dropping bombs lol
2020-11-01 20:24 <Ubit> well with this code plane will drop a bomb and the pilot :)
2020-11-01 20:26 <Ubit> wonder what is worse for target..
2020-11-01 20:28 <Tampa> Depends on who gets dropped I guess
2020-11-02 18:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #7354 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-02 18:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7354: SUCCESS in 7 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7354/
2020-11-02 18:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add Mono.Security.dll that seems needed for Npgsql.dll
2020-11-02 18:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #7355 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-02 18:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7355: SUCCESS in 5 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7355/
2020-11-02 18:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: updated it a bit...
2020-11-02 19:08 <Ubit> dang.. missing +x
2020-11-02 19:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #7356 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-02 19:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7356: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7356/
2020-11-02 19:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: and remove it.. it colides with mono
2020-11-02 23:07 <osmantis> Bug #8785:04 Unix compatible timestamps 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8785 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-11-03 12:54 <osmantis> Bug #8785:04 Unix compatible timestamps 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8785 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-03 17:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #7357 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-03 17:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7357: SUCCESS in 5 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7357/
2020-11-03 17:46 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: viewers do send broken http range start, then flag good assets as bad
2020-11-03 17:46 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: look for GridName and gridname
2020-11-03 17:46 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: try to reduce chance of viewer timeouts
2020-11-03 17:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #7358 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-03 18:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7358: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7358/
2020-11-03 18:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: viewers do send broken http range start, then flag good assets as bad, another try
2020-11-03 18:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #7359 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2020-11-03 18:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add some broken assets check/log, so i don't try to fix other code using one
2020-11-03 19:03 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid.
2020-11-04 20:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #7360 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-04 20:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7360: SUCCESS in 4 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7360/
2020-11-04 20:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a bug on estateinfocap, to be active again when new fs and other viewers are release with its use fixed
2020-11-04 20:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #7361 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2020-11-04 20:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix runprebuild.bat compile.bat creation for release mode
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2020-11-05 18:57 <osmantis> Bug #8687:04 [Land Connector]: remote call returned an error: Requested method [land_data] not found  (0.9.1.1 Yeti Dev) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8687 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-05 19:24 <osmantis> Bug #8687:04 [Land Connector]: remote call returned an error: Requested method [land_data] not found  (0.9.1.1 Yeti Dev) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8687 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-05 19:47 <djphil> Using LINK_SET seems to have no effect on the osStopSound (LINK_SET) function. Is this normal or looks like a bug?
2020-11-05 19:52 <Tampa> Think Ubit changed something with these constants not working for another function recently
2020-11-05 19:53 <djphil> Ho ok ... let's hope he will work again in the future
2020-11-05 19:54 <djphil> But my simulator on OSG is a bit old
2020-11-05 19:54 <djphil> OSgrid 0.9.1.1 Yeti Dev 066a6fbaa1: 2019-12-18 23:26:13 +0000
2020-11-05 19:54 <Tampa> It only supports linknum
2020-11-05 19:54 <djphil> it support LINK_ROOT
2020-11-05 19:55 <Tampa> Cause that is 0
2020-11-05 19:55 <djphil> You have see that on wiki? I don't see it is limited to a number only ...
2020-11-05 19:55 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsStopSound
2020-11-05 19:55 <Tampa> Let me try and fix this, I'll just copy pasta code from elsewhere that supports link set
2020-11-05 19:55 <Tampa> Should be an easy fix
2020-11-05 19:56 <djphil> Yeah that would be cool, that way we won't do loops
2020-11-05 19:57 <djphil> These sound functions are really cool in OSSL
2020-11-05 19:57 <djphil> I like to use them now instead of the LSL ones
2020-11-05 19:58 <djphil> It's really better, more efficient and works better too
2020-11-05 19:59 <djphil> The fade in / out is a bit abrupt but acceptable :p
2020-11-05 20:01 <Tampa> uuf
2020-11-05 20:01 <djphil> uuf ?
2020-11-05 20:01 <Tampa> All these sound functions don't support linkset
2020-11-05 20:01 <djphil> Hehe ...
2020-11-05 20:02 <Tampa> There are sooo many...
2020-11-05 20:02 <djphil> It may still be a "technical" limitation
2020-11-05 20:02 <Tampa> ;_;
2020-11-05 20:03 <Tampa> Well if this patch works I can try to apply the same method to the others
2020-11-05 20:03 <djphil> I understand ... it's so obvious :p
2020-11-05 20:04 <djphil> (for lazy people who don't want to do loops)
2020-11-05 20:27 <osmantis> Bug #8687:04 [Land Connector]: remote call returned an error: Requested method [land_data] not found  (0.9.1.1 Yeti Dev) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8687 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-05 20:48 <osmantis> Bug #8687:04 [Land Connector]: remote call returned an error: Requested method [land_data] not found  (0.9.1.1 Yeti Dev) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8687 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-05 21:45 <osmantis> Bug #8687:04 [Land Connector]: remote call returned an error: Requested method [land_data] not found  (0.9.1.1 Yeti Dev) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8687 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-05 23:26 <Ubit> OsStopSound should work with THIS and ROOT only
2020-11-05 23:30 <djphil> and don't accept -1 or -2 etc ?
2020-11-05 23:31 <Ubit> it is a single prim thing
2020-11-05 23:31 <djphil> Ok, i see
2020-11-05 23:31 <Ubit> not calles stopsounds is it?
2020-11-05 23:31 <Ubit> called.. :)
2020-11-05 23:31 <djphil> what ?
2020-11-05 23:32 <djphil> ha ou mean with "s"
2020-11-05 23:32 <djphil> well we wait a "s" improvment :p
2020-11-05 23:32 <Ubit> to stop on other prims name would be .. sounds :p
2020-11-05 23:33 <djphil> Do you think it would be possible in the future?
2020-11-05 23:33 <Ubit> dunno
2020-11-05 23:33 <djphil> okay
2020-11-05 23:34 <djphil> Thank you for answering
2020-11-06 14:32 <osmantis> Bug #8794:04 OAR commands do not save or load megastructures that are larger than the region. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8794 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-11-06 14:44 <osmantis> Bug #8794:04 OAR commands do not save or load megastructures that are larger than the region. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8794 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-06 19:37 <osmantis> Bug #8794:04 OAR commands do not save or load megastructures that are larger than the region. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8794 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-06 19:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #7362 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-06 19:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7362: SUCCESS in 7 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7362/
2020-11-06 19:44 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix llGetLinkKey
2020-11-06 19:44 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: do delayed script starts on load oar
2020-11-06 19:44 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: do remove previus parcels (as known at the moment) when loading oar
2020-11-06 20:15 <osmantis> Bug #8794:04 OAR commands do not save or load megastructures that are larger than the region. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8794 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-06 20:38 <osmantis> Bug #8794:04 OAR commands do not save or load megastructures that are larger than the region. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8794 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-06 21:23 <osmantis> Bug #8794:04 OAR commands do not save or load megastructures that are larger than the region. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8794 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-06 21:24 <osmantis> Bug #8794:04 OAR commands do not save or load megastructures that are larger than the region. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8794 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-06 21:24 <Ubit> oops ;)
2020-11-06 21:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #7363 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-06 21:34 <osmantis> Bug #8794:04 OAR commands do not save or load megastructures that are larger than the region. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8794 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-06 21:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7363: SUCCESS in 5 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7363/
2020-11-06 21:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: make oar load default clip box Z match current simulation limit of -100 to 50000
2020-11-06 21:36 <Ubit> still not good yeack
2020-11-06 21:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #7364 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-06 21:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7364: SUCCESS in 4 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7364/
2020-11-06 21:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: need change on another place also
2020-11-06 21:49 <osmantis> Bug #8794:04 OAR commands do not save or load megastructures that are larger than the region. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8794 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-06 22:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #7365 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-06 22:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7365: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7365/
2020-11-06 22:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add post displacement clip on oar load
2020-11-07 00:28 <osmantis> Bug #8794:04 OAR commands do not save or load megastructures that are larger than the region. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8794 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-07 01:07 <osmantis> Bug #8794:04 OAR commands do not save or load megastructures that are larger than the region. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8794 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-07 01:07 <Tampa> f69f028 could be causing that
2020-11-07 01:08 <Tampa> Don't see how though yet
2020-11-07 01:12 <osmantis> Bug #8794:04 OAR commands do not save or load megastructures that are larger than the region. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8794 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-07 01:15 <Tampa> If he didn't the region wouldn't start
2020-11-07 01:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #7366 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-07 01:16 <Bill_Blight> It actually will start if you failed to clean your bin dir and still  have the old module ..
2020-11-07 01:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7366: SUCCESS in 5 min 36 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7366/
2020-11-07 01:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv (issue with gatheruuids)
2020-11-07 01:33 <osmantis> Bug #8794:04 OAR commands do not save or load megastructures that are larger than the region. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8794 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-07 01:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #7367 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-07 01:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7367: SUCCESS in 4 min 38 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7367/
2020-11-07 01:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: llRequestAgentData: let presence cache expire or fast requestes may block eventual updates
2020-11-07 01:59 <osmantis> Bug #8794:04 OAR commands do not save or load megastructures that are larger than the region. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8794 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-07 02:10 <osmantis> Bug #8687:04 [Land Connector]: remote call returned an error: Requested method [land_data] not found  (0.9.1.1 Yeti Dev) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8687 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-07 02:35 <osmantis> Bug #8794:04 OAR commands do not save or load megastructures that are larger than the region. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8794 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-08 08:44 <Condamnante> hi
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2020-11-08 16:03 <osmantis> Bug #8795:04 Take Copy of item fails if creator or last owner lookup fails for other taken items afterwards until failure is reported 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8795 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-11-08 17:28 <H-H-H> Hi foks :) ope were all safe and well.
2020-11-08 17:33 <H-H-H> can an npc send an im? im looking on wiki and in code right now but dont seem to see anytrhing 
2020-11-08 17:35 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OSSL_Implemented
2020-11-08 17:36 <H-H-H> thats one page im looking at thanks Ubit :)
2020-11-08 17:43 <djphil> The npc no but the prim yes
2020-11-08 17:44 <djphil> The closest to IM you can do with npc is osNpcSayTo
2020-11-08 17:47 <H-H-H> yes so im noticing
2020-11-08 17:51 <djphil> If you name the npc rezzer box with the same name as your npc then it will simulate a bit. This is how Gimisa does.
2020-11-08 17:51 <H-H-H> well im looking at having npc ppl that can chat via im 
2020-11-08 17:53 <djphil> llInstantMessage is only for prim ... and make script sleeping 2 seconds
2020-11-08 17:53 <H-H-H> i made an opensim bot that was actually a real client that was an aiml chatbot at same time before to simulate and i was looking at re creating it with an npc
2020-11-08 17:54 <djphil> osNpcSayTo speaks directly to the avatar ... only the IM window does not open
2020-11-08 17:55 <H-H-H> its not the npc - avatar that i see a problem with its the avatar to npc as how would the npc know you were refering to it
2020-11-08 17:58 <djphil> In the chat you will see the name of the NPC in front of the text. As you can see when an avatar speaks. And the NPC can detect who is speaking by listening on the public channel or force the avatar to speak on a specific channel with  "/custom channel"
2020-11-08 17:59 <djphil> Optionally, drop your script on the OSG Scripts Forum and ask for help there. I will help you gladly.
2020-11-08 18:00 <H-H-H> djphil would you be able to pm me an example if you have time :) 
2020-11-08 18:00 <djphil> okay
2020-11-08 18:00 <H-H-H> i mean of an npc responding to something they hear specifically on public chat chan
2020-11-08 18:00 <djphil> Note : llSay ... the box say and osNpcSay, the npc say
2020-11-08 18:01 <djphil> But I like to use the forum because it shares with everyone :)
2020-11-08 18:03 <H-H-H> i was just looking at pointers ty :)
2020-11-08 18:03 <Tampa> IM uses uuid as sort of channels, aka session ID for comms so you can't create a listen that reads this, only thing that could potentially be done is treat the npc as offline and send the IM to offline IM from which you can then retrieve it out of the database perhaps
2020-11-08 18:03 <djphil> And yes a npc (its rezzer box) can listen to any channel. This is not a problem
2020-11-08 18:03 <Tampa> Would need some modification on the npc code though
2020-11-08 18:04 <Tampa> You know llDialog has a text box you could use as well
2020-11-08 18:04 <H-H-H> yes Tampa i was thinking atleast adding one more osnpc command to
2020-11-08 18:05 <Tampa> I never actually tested sending IM to an npc
2020-11-08 18:05 <Tampa> Not sure what happens
2020-11-08 18:05 <H-H-H> it just ignores it from what i can tell
2020-11-08 18:05 <djphil> Tampa loves osNpcSendIM :)
2020-11-08 18:06 <djphil> But there you have it ... how the npc will detect the user's response. Here is the problem.
2020-11-08 18:07 <H-H-H> exactly djphil :)
2020-11-08 18:08 <djphil> This is why osNpcSayTo on a specific channel will be an alternative solution for you
2020-11-08 18:08 <djphil> You see ?
2020-11-08 18:08 <H-H-H> yes
2020-11-08 18:08 <Tampa> Probably best to pipe IM to dataserver event, but that means interface with that module which no idea how difficult that may be
2020-11-08 18:09 <Tampa> Need to check llinstantmessage code see how that works for sending, not sure that helps any for receiving though
2020-11-08 18:10 <djphil> osNpcSayTo is your friend :)
2020-11-08 18:11 <H-H-H> i think i will have a experiment ltr to see if i can atleast get an npc to reply to an im 
2020-11-08 18:12 <djphil> Good luck!
2020-11-08 18:14 <Tampa> Via xmlrpc you can make a prim send an IM making it look like the prim is talking to you
2020-11-08 18:14 <H-H-H> dont know if its something worth sending a patch in for if i am successfull but worth a try :)
2020-11-08 18:14 <H-H-H> well Tampa think of being able to chat with an npc like it was a normal av via im
2020-11-08 18:15 <H-H-H> the main reasone im thinking im is as the convo has to be private
2020-11-08 18:15 <Tampa> llDialog text box is what I'd do
2020-11-08 18:16 <Tampa> You could also use the xmlrpc method to send IM pretending to be a dedicated account that then receives the offline IM which you pull out of the database and then handle return to script via http request
2020-11-08 18:17 <Tampa> Though uhm... yeah that's a bit of a roundabout
2020-11-08 18:17 <H-H-H> lol just a bit :P
2020-11-08 18:18 <djphil> Honestly, using osNpcSayTo on a secret channel is much easier ...
2020-11-08 18:19 <Tampa> Could make a ossl function to send IM returning the session id and handle the returns over dataserver probably, but that sounds like a lot of work
2020-11-08 18:19 <H-H-H> not as easy as right clicking an npc and selecting im then chat
2020-11-08 18:20 <Tampa> Not sure if dataserver can even handle that much data at once
2020-11-08 18:20 <Tampa> Might need to setup a whole loop system for that with new event and functions
2020-11-08 18:20 <H-H-H> Tampa initially getting the npc to just accept and respond to an im would be a first goal i think then maybe expand it from there :)
2020-11-08 18:21 <Tampa> That's the hardest part yes
2020-11-08 18:21 <H-H-H> my opensim codebase knowledge is a bit rusty as its been a while since i dived in lol time to see if monodevelo still works haha
2020-11-08 18:23 <djphil> Gimisa have a NPC ti the welcome region and it send IM (a sort of)
2020-11-08 18:23 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/User:Gimisa (see bottom of the page his email)
2020-11-08 18:23 <djphil> If that can help ...
2020-11-08 18:24 <H-H-H> ahhh ty dhphill
2020-11-08 18:35 <JeffKelley> no script can chat "like it was a normal av via ", llInstantMessage writes to Nearby Chat window, so I thing you may forget simulating a "real" avi chat 
2020-11-08 18:37 <JeffKelley> however, a prim pretending to be the NPC can receive chat on a private channel and answer via llInstantMessage, this is probably not the experience you want
2020-11-08 18:38 <Tampa> via xmlrpc you can already fully pretend to be someone else sending IM, but the session negotiation will not work so it only really works one way
2020-11-08 18:38 <Tampa> And of course there is no way to fetch the return either
2020-11-08 18:39 <Tampa> I think they way IM works it is not even meant to be a way to really do this as it could be too easily abused, but not sure, never looked into that module before
2020-11-08 18:40 <H-H-H> ive briefly used it to send a user an im from system admins over xmlrpc before
2020-11-08 18:40 <JeffKelley> i don't see where xmlrpc fits here, Tampa
2020-11-08 18:43 <Tampa> Most data send about in OpenSim is xml, you can send xmlrpc requests to various things and if properly formatted they behave just like the real thing
2020-11-08 18:43 <Tampa> I can send myself an IM from myself to me
2020-11-08 18:44 <Tampa> How Kitely delivers things for example
2020-11-08 18:44 <JeffKelley> is there anywhere an API to craft an IM ? I would love to know it
2020-11-08 18:44 <Tampa> Problem is the way IM handles sessions, with both sides kinda agreeing on a session id when you write back the ID changes
2020-11-08 18:45 <H-H-H> i have sent ims from php to inworld ppl before using xmlrpc and at the time i belive the remote admin script used to do it
2020-11-08 18:47 <Tampa> You could try to set a different homeuri for the IM and build a inbound handler on the other side, but I still think the viewer would break the session ID
2020-11-08 18:47 <Tampa> Somehow the viewers know the IM isn't legit
2020-11-08 18:48 <H-H-H> well im looking at how npc's are created and unless im wrong they mimick an av so i wonder if the session id is already there just not used 
2020-11-08 18:48 <JeffKelley> browsing remote admin reference and don't see IM
2020-11-08 18:49 <Tampa> I mean technically if you ordered via the avatar uuid you could just accept all sessions and order by that
2020-11-08 18:49 <Tampa> xmlrpc handler code should be in the land tool
2020-11-08 18:50 <Tampa> Then all you need is a script to open the fake session pointing to your xmlrpc handler
2020-11-08 18:50 <Tampa> Easier said than done lol
2020-11-08 18:50 <H-H-H> plus keep track of whos what and whaer and why lol
2020-11-08 18:52 <Tampa> The IM thing I have also only works locally, HG uses different handler to forward to robust
2020-11-08 18:52 <H-H-H> oooo seems i was wrong
2020-11-08 18:52 <H-H-H> looking in the code i find
2020-11-08 18:52 <H-H-H> public event Action<GridInstantMessage> OnInstantMessageToNPC;
2020-11-08 18:53 <H-H-H> // Fired when the NPC receives an instant message.
2020-11-08 18:53 <H-H-H> interesting lol delving deeper
2020-11-08 19:01 <Tampa> That stuff seems to be a bit unfinished
2020-11-08 19:02 <H-H-H> hmmmmmm
2020-11-08 19:02 <H-H-H> aslong as i can get the im and contents therof i should be able to reply
2020-11-08 19:03 <JeffKelley> you need some proxy to host the npc's brain
2020-11-08 19:04 <Tampa> Think all it does is make it so the IM is handled, but in order to get data from it you will likely need to add code to even decode the parts of the xml that is sent in
2020-11-08 19:04 <H-H-H> yes that had occured to me to Jeff
2020-11-08 19:04 <Tampa> It only kinda "opens" the IM if it gets one
2020-11-08 19:07 <H-H-H> adding in some debug to dump some var contents to console so will see what gets where :)
2020-11-08 19:08 <JeffKelley> if a npc would read/reply to IMs, we need some side entity to process the content ; could be a script but it needs to be bound to the npc
2020-11-08 19:09 <H-H-H> or a c# based chatterbot :P
2020-11-08 19:10 <Tampa> You would need to internally register the npccreate from the script to the npc to make the data available only to that
2020-11-08 19:10 <Tampa> That does not sound like fun code
2020-11-08 19:11 <H-H-H> hey ive been kicking around opensim and viewer dev long enough to consider it fun haha
2020-11-08 19:35 <Bill_Blight> creating a function osNPCInstantMessage(key fromNPC, key toAvatar, string message); might be an easier way to accomplish it with current NPC setups
2020-11-08 19:36 <Bill_Blight> and osInstantMessage2NPC(key fromAvatar. toNPC, string message); and just return what the NPC gets to the function
2020-11-08 19:37 <Bill_Blight> in the form of a listener on a NPC chat channel
2020-11-08 19:39 <Bill_Blight> I do it similar for public chat with an attachment worn by the NPC that greets people with NPCsay , but since it is an attachment its range is from the NPC not from the creation prim.
2020-11-08 19:57 <H-H-H> sorry RL interupted back :)
2020-11-08 20:56 <osmantis> Bug #8796:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osForceBreakLink improvment 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8796 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-11-09 10:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #7368 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-09 10:42 <djphil> Good :)
2020-11-09 10:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7368: SUCCESS in 6 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7368/
2020-11-09 10:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix typo
2020-11-09 20:01 <Ubit> git push
2020-11-09 20:02 <Ubit> err you are not git duhh
2020-11-09 20:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #7369 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-09 20:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7369: SUCCESS in 5 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7369/
2020-11-09 20:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: another silly bug gezz
2020-11-09 20:10 <Ubit> well silly is also fs say http error 503 when it does not see a range on answer that did had full data
2020-11-09 20:45 <osmantis> Bug #8797:04 llDialog does not support group owned objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8797 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-11-09 20:45 <osmantis> Bug #8797:04 llDialog does not support group owned objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8797 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2020-11-09 21:57 <osmantis> Bug #8798:04 "Registration failed: Region overlaps another region" locks the server terminal 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8798 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-11-09 22:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #7370 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-09 22:16 <osmantis> Bug #8797:04 llDialog does not support group owned objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8797 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-09 22:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7370: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7370/
2020-11-09 22:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8797: show group name on group owned prims.. ( code a bit dif from the patch.. thx anyways
2020-11-09 22:23 <osmantis> Bug #8799:04 osNpcRemove generate an exeption if the npcbot as ben kicked of the region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8799 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-11-09 22:26 <osmantis> Bug #8799:04 osNpcRemove generate an exeption if the npcbot as ben kicked of the region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8799 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-09 23:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #7371 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-09 23:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7371: SUCCESS in 5 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7371/
2020-11-09 23:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8798: avoid null ref
2020-11-09 23:22 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: kick npcs the right way
2020-11-09 23:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #7372 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-09 23:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7372: SUCCESS in 4 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7372/
2020-11-09 23:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: same for inworld kicks
2020-11-09 23:44 <osmantis> Bug #8799:04 osNpcRemove generate an exeption if the npcbot as ben kicked of the region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8799 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-09 23:44 <osmantis> Bug #8800:04 [MAPTILES] Image of lower quality regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8800 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-11-10 01:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #7373 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-10 01:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7373: SUCCESS in 5 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7373/
2020-11-10 01:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: lludp textures.. do not try to decode meshes and other things ( imprudence plague at LBSA)
2020-11-10 03:02 <osmantis> Bug #8799:04 osNpcRemove generate an exeption if the npcbot as ben kicked of the region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8799 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-10 03:33 <osmantis> Bug #8799:04 osNpcRemove generate an exeption if the npcbot as ben kicked of the region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8799 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-10 03:38 <osmantis> Bug #8799:04 osNpcRemove generate an exeption if the npcbot as ben kicked of the region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8799 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-11-10 04:06 <osmantis> Bug #8799:04 osNpcRemove generate an exeption if the npcbot as ben kicked of the region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8799 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-10 04:08 <osmantis> Bug #8799:04 osNpcRemove generate an exeption if the npcbot as ben kicked of the region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8799 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-10 04:11 <osmantis> Bug #8799:04 osNpcRemove generate an exeption if the npcbot as ben kicked of the region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8799 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-11-10 04:13 <osmantis> Bug #8799:04 osNpcRemove generate an exeption if the npcbot as ben kicked of the region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8799 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-10 04:17 <osmantis> Bug #8799:04 osNpcRemove generate an exeption if the npcbot as ben kicked of the region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8799 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-10 05:03 <osmantis> Bug #8799:04 osNpcRemove generate an exeption if the npcbot as ben kicked of the region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8799 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-10 05:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #7374 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-10 05:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7374: SUCCESS in 5 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7374/
2020-11-10 05:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: on getownername, be more concret comparing to UnknownUMM2
2020-11-10 05:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #7375 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-10 05:54 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7375: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7375/
2020-11-10 05:54 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: small changes
2020-11-10 06:19 <osmantis> Bug #8797:04 llDialog does not support group owned objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8797 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-10 10:42 <osmantis> Bug #8797:04 llDialog does not support group owned objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8797 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-10 10:43 <osmantis> Bug #8798:04 "Registration failed: Region overlaps another region" locks the server terminal 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8798 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-10 10:45 <osmantis> Bug #8800:04 [MAPTILES] Image of lower quality regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8800 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-10 10:57 <Ai_Austin> We may have a problem Houston.. with FS 6.4.11.62733
2020-11-10 10:59 <djphil> Only one ... (lol)
2020-11-10 11:00 <Ai_Austin> The TP back links for OSGrid use the hg.osgrid.org form.. which works fine for 0.9.2.0 but fo you are on an earlier version of OpenSim like 0.9.1.1 (e.g. kitely) that appear to make you hang and you have to crash the viewer to escape. gin.osgrid.org always works, but its not the HG URL that the gridinfo 
2020-11-10 11:00 <Ai_Austin> :-)
2020-11-10 11:00 <Ai_Austin> * login.osgrid.org always works I meant
2020-11-10 11:02 <Ai_Austin> or not! still testing. hg.osgrid.org seems to be a bit iffy even from another 0.9.2.0 grid
2020-11-10 11:15 <Tampa> Kitely is OpenSim?
2020-11-10 11:18 <Ai_Austin> Kitely is 0.9.1.1 opensim
2020-11-10 11:19 <Tampa> that was sarcasm
2020-11-10 11:20 <Ai_Austin> :-)   straight face
2020-11-10 13:38 <Bill_Blight> Well the Firestorm team said before that going forward opensim releases would only directly support current code ..
2020-11-10 13:39 <Bill_Blight> Oh he bailed out .. oops
2020-11-10 13:41 <Tampa> Isn't lf still on like 8 something?
2020-11-10 13:41 <Tampa> Must fee like a time capsule at this point
2020-11-10 13:42 <Bill_Blight> Kitely did update to .9x but of course their own bastardized flavor of it
2020-11-10 13:43 <Tampa> I mean closed source can claim a lot of things see Microsoft
2020-11-10 13:44 <Tampa> Can't even HG there anymore
2020-11-10 13:44 <Bill_Blight> yep ...  and it becomes worse when you close your source but still need to be accessed by a piece of open source software ..
2020-11-10 13:45 <Bill_Blight> I can HG there fine, getting "stuff" from there is another story entirely ...
2020-11-10 13:45 <Bill_Blight> via the HG that is
2020-11-10 13:46 <Tampa> Hm lately getting more circuit failures with them, can't establish reliable connection
2020-11-10 13:46 <Tampa> Same with some other places still running older or different code
2020-11-10 13:47 <Tampa> Usually test with Metro, can always get there fine
2020-11-10 13:47 <Bill_Blight> I've  had many reports that people can't HG too and from your grid, from "unable to verify" or just plain "avatar never arrived", to me it looks like DNS fails
2020-11-10 13:47 <Bill_Blight> that is recently
2020-11-10 13:48 <Tampa> Like Ubit using login rather than hg address no wonder
2020-11-10 13:48 <Tampa> Two different things that
2020-11-10 13:48 <Bill_Blight> well could be DNS could be peer routing but , either way, it was just recently
2020-11-10 13:49 <Bill_Blight> just one of those , "can't get there from here" kind of errors
2020-11-10 13:51 <Tampa> Verifying http://login.zetaworlds.com:80 against http://hg.zetaworlds.com:80
2020-11-10 13:51 <Tampa> facepalm
2020-11-10 13:51 <Tampa> Apparently this is because you know who does not understand the difference between login and hg uri
2020-11-10 13:53 <Tampa> Hm maybe some more debug messaging is in order "Use the correct address"
2020-11-10 13:55 <Tampa> Did recently look into dnssec, then realized I don't actually need it, day wasted
2020-11-10 13:56 <Tampa> Just as fun as enforcing sameorigin on xmlrpc calls... "Kitely Market doesn't work!" -.-
2020-11-10 13:57 <Tampa> Check please
2020-11-10 14:05 <Bill_Blight> well maybe you can try using the alias , that ubit added, so both your URLs are known
2020-11-10 14:12 <Tampa> Or I'll just patch gatekeeper to give more info than "unable to verify"
2020-11-10 14:12 <Tampa> It probably should say if a wrong url is used anyways, seems logical, to me at least
2020-11-10 14:15 <Tampa> Should be simple, famous last words
2020-11-10 14:18 <Bill_Blight> but if it is just the URL dns adding the alias would fix it as well, but you can go about it the hard way if you like ... LOL
2020-11-10 14:45 <Ubit> osgrid wants to use 2 "logins" login. for direct connections, hg for well hg
2020-11-10 14:46 <Ubit> confusing things 
2020-11-10 14:46 <Ubit> but tp back on hg did ever work?
2020-11-10 14:46 <Ubit> think not
2020-11-10 14:47 <Ubit> if i rememberer even fs history had no idea about hg
2020-11-10 16:35 <osmantis> Bug #8801:04 About the limitations of osNPCTouch 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8801 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-11-10 17:34 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-11-10 19:02 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-10 19:41 <osmantis> Bug #8803:04 Some hypergrid jump tests 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8803 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-11-10 19:51 <osmantis> Bug #8803:04 Some hypergrid jump tests 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8803 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-10 20:19 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-10 20:28 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-10 20:28 <osmantis> Bug #8800:04 [MAPTILES] Image of lower quality regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8800 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-11-10 21:06 <osmantis> Bug #8801:04 About the limitations of osNPCTouch 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8801 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-10 21:28 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-10 21:42 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-10 21:52 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-10 21:59 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-10 22:02 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-10 22:04 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-10 22:23 <osmantis> Bug #8801:04 About the limitations of osNPCTouch 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8801 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-11-10 23:00 <osmantis> Bug #8801:04 About the limitations of osNPCTouch 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8801 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-10 23:03 <osmantis> Bug #8801:04 About the limitations of osNPCTouch 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8801 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-10 23:09 <osmantis> Bug #8801:04 About the limitations of osNPCTouch 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8801 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-11-10 23:26 <osmantis> Bug #8801:04 About the limitations of osNPCTouch 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8801 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-11-10 23:27 <osmantis> Bug #8801:04 About the limitations of osNPCTouch 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8801 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-10 23:34 <osmantis> Bug #8801:04 About the limitations of osNPCTouch 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8801 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-11 12:45 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-11 17:33 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-11 17:55 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-11 19:19 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-11 19:30 <osmantis> Bug #8801:04 About the limitations of osNPCTouch 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8801 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-11 19:56 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-11 19:59 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-11 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-11 20:47 <osmantis> Bug #8804:04 Saved Hypergrid visitor avatar name not being updated on later visits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8804 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-11-11 20:47 <osmantis> Bug #8804:04 Saved Hypergrid visitor avatar name not being updated on later visits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8804 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-11-11 20:49 <osmantis> Bug #8801:04 About the limitations of osNPCTouch 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8801 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-11 20:51 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-11 20:57 <Ai_Austin> Hi Tampa, if you are there. where did the IM you mentioned get sent?
2020-11-11 20:58 <Ai_Austin> I have been on Zeta Worlds and talked with one of the grid managers there (Vincent)
2020-11-11 20:59 <Ai_Austin> >> nslookup login.zetaworlds.com
2020-11-11 20:59 <Ai_Austin> For OSGrid its similar just an extra "alias" level...
2020-11-11 20:59 <Ai_Austin> >>nslookup hg.osgrid.org
2020-11-11 21:00 <Ai_Austin> But identical host in each case unless some sort of virtualisation is being done underthat
2020-11-11 21:07 <Ubit> wonder who is that vincent
2020-11-11 21:09 <Tampa> as if that wasn't obvious by now
2020-11-11 21:10 <Ubit> :p
2020-11-11 21:17 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-11 21:23 <Ai_Austin> Its you Tampa?  :-)
2020-11-11 21:23 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-11 21:23 <Ai_Austin> I just logged back in and TPed theer agin just to thank you for the message about two different grid user names being sent by OSGrid :-)
2020-11-11 21:24 <Ai_Austin> hop:// for some reason does not work to got TO zeta worlds but works back away. Worry about that one later
2020-11-11 21:25 <Ubit> ai hop is broken
2020-11-11 21:26 <Ubit> viewer still does not get all info to mk it work
2020-11-11 21:26 <Ubit> and it is actually very useless
2020-11-11 21:26 <Tampa> one griduser entry has no login, but a logout time, says offline, other entry is online and has login time but missing logout time
2020-11-11 21:26 <Ubit> such thing one makes sense for wesites
2020-11-11 21:26 <Ai_Austin> that sound promising Tampa.
2020-11-11 21:26 <Ubit> so to fire a viewer automaticly
2020-11-11 21:27 <Ubit> no sense in viewers
2020-11-11 21:27 <Ubit> they should just display
2020-11-11 21:27 <Ubit> teleport from  region name on local
2020-11-11 21:27 <Tampa> I wanna blame that on my patch, but only osgrid entries are twice per user, all other are in here just once as normal
2020-11-11 21:27 <Ubit> or teleport from http(s).. on HG
2020-11-11 21:27 <Ai_Austin> don't worry about hop:// for now - I like it a LOT and it makes for sharing locations very easy with a decently formated URL rather than all those crazy things with : in wrong place and three exclamation marks!
2020-11-11 21:27 <Ubit> hop will never work
2020-11-11 21:27 <Ai_Austin> it almost works well now.
2020-11-11 21:28 <Ubit> ( and needs a hops
2020-11-11 21:28 <Ubit> useless and redundant
2020-11-11 21:28 <Ubit> except on web pages as i said
2020-11-11 21:28 <Ai_Austin> from somewhere Beq has managed to get the correct HG grid name to make them work - 
2020-11-11 21:28 <Ubit> still not good
2020-11-11 21:29 <Ubit> im adding more info to help that
2020-11-11 21:29 <Ubit> but yeack totally lost on our current mess
2020-11-11 21:29 <Ai_Austin> but for now there is an issue with the way a user is authentiocated at regio and grid level I think if musltiple different ways to label that user's home grid are provided through different routes
2020-11-11 21:29 <Ubit> we start modules that need to know grid data, without having it
2020-11-11 21:29 <Ubit> stupid
2020-11-11 21:29 <Tampa> I'm going to nuke grid user entries for osgrid and see what gets created then
2020-11-11 21:30 <Ubit> ( they go look around on all ini files )
2020-11-11 21:30 <Ubit> when a lot should be set by grid
2020-11-11 21:30 <Ai_Austin> I think what Tampa/Vincent sees may be the sort of thing to explain what is happening, 
2020-11-11 21:30 <Ai_Austin> I don't; have access to the central server side of the OSGrid.ini files to see what might be wrong
2020-11-11 21:30 <Ubit> but this stupid code starts a full region without even doing login to grid
2020-11-11 21:31 <Ubit> let along ask it about what it is
2020-11-11 21:31 <Ai_Austin> but all I have looked at on region side seems fine
2020-11-11 21:31 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-11 21:31 <Ubit> still a total mess
2020-11-11 21:31 <Ubit> since ever
2020-11-11 21:32 <Ubit> now i have have idea what is gatekeepURL and homeULR
2020-11-11 21:32 <Ubit> those MUST be the same
2020-11-11 21:32 <Ai_Austin> Tampa.  I slightly amended your final word or two in the Mantis quote :-)
2020-11-11 21:33 <Ai_Austin> But they are not in systems like OSGrid and Zeta Worlds. But also people can add aliases now for both. What effect will that have?
2020-11-11 21:33 <Ubit> but WHY do stupid regions load all crap before asking grid if they can??
2020-11-11 21:33 <Ubit> damm silly
2020-11-11 21:33 <Ai_Austin> don't ask me. thats your domain ;-)
2020-11-11 21:35 <Tampa> cat configs/Robust1.ini | grep HomeURI
2020-11-11 21:35 <Tampa>     SRV_HomeURI = "http://hg.zetaworlds.com:80/"
2020-11-11 21:35 <Tampa> cat configs/Robust1.ini | grep GatekeeperURI
2020-11-11 21:35 <Tampa>     GatekeeperURI = "http://hg.zetaworlds.com:80/"
2020-11-11 21:35 <Ubit> well no idea why we have both
2020-11-11 21:35 <Ubit> some code uses one.. other the other
2020-11-11 21:36 <Ubit> hg is such a.. well nm
2020-11-11 21:36 <Ai_Austin> I only see LoginURI (for direct logins) and GatekeeperURI (for all LMs and travel) mengioned
2020-11-11 21:36 <Ubit> it is a mess
2020-11-11 21:37 <Ubit> but code uses HomeURI on those
2020-11-11 21:37 <Ubit> on some places.. not on others
2020-11-11 21:37 <Ai_Austin> But Beq us using Grid Info "GridURL" which is set by code from other entries.  Whcih Unbit do you know and does it different between HG configs (using GatekeeperURI) and non-hypergrid ones.  It should.
2020-11-11 21:38 <Ubit> she also needs GridURLAlias
2020-11-11 21:38 <Ai_Austin> That's what testing is for and why I write the Mantis report when issues arise :--)
2020-11-11 21:38 <Ubit> bc that login... hg...
2020-11-11 21:38 <Ai_Austin> what is that.  Never seen it GridURL is not something we can directly  I think?
2020-11-11 21:39 <Ubit> on viewers grid info it is login, bc that is for local users
2020-11-11 21:40 <Ai_Austin> this all ought to be much clearer, but remember even 0.8.2.1 is working fine (5 uyars old) its just OSGrid and perhaps other ghriods that have multiple URls for all these things that are failing
2020-11-11 21:40 <Tampa> That's where I have login set as well
2020-11-11 21:40 <Tampa> Only place
2020-11-11 21:40 <Ai_Austin> LFGrid operates fine with 6.5.11.62733
2020-11-11 21:42 <Ubit> until you change dns for some reason
2020-11-11 21:42 <Ubit> etc
2020-11-11 21:43 <Ubit> and in lot cases, regions did hg tps into same grid
2020-11-11 21:43 <Ubit> bahh a mess
2020-11-11 21:45 <Tampa> Only thing I changed on these configs in recent years was hypergrid section to have homeuri and gatekeeper as same thing
2020-11-11 21:45 <Tampa> Rest is untouched since 2015
2020-11-11 21:46 <Ai_Austin> I have tested more when intially logged into AiLand or Openvue grd and jumping about between those two mand OSGrid and all works forst rtime every time.  Its an isue where avatar travelling is OSGrid and leaves some presence/login info somewhere so it fails first time and works second attempt
2020-11-11 21:46 <Ai_Austin> I would think HomeURI would be login.zetaworlds.com:80 for you
2020-11-11 21:47 <Ubit> he never used login..
2020-11-11 21:47 <Ai_Austin> but maybe I also don't undersatand what HomeURI does and since its just same gridname:8002 for my grids it doe s not matter
2020-11-11 21:48 <Tampa> login is only used for local logins aka when you setup viewer for ZetaWorlds the uri you put into that field in the viewer is login.zetaworlds.com
2020-11-11 21:48 <Tampa> That's what grid info is hooked to to provide the info on where things are
2020-11-11 21:49 <Ai_Austin> Zetaworlds uses login.zetawords.com:80 for local avatar login. I have three entries to prove it with Beq's code that (wrongly) adds entries to grid manager even whe you just travel there.. and any variant adds a new entry! I reported that to her as a bugr
2020-11-11 21:49 <Ubit> well he said he does not
2020-11-11 21:49 <Ai_Austin> Sorry,. no :80
2020-11-11 21:49 <Ai_Austin> https://login.zetaworlds.com/
2020-11-11 21:49 <Ubit> osgrid does that
2020-11-11 21:49 <Ai_Austin> he does. I have his grid info in my Grid manager after visiting
2020-11-11 21:51 <Tampa> uh
2020-11-11 21:51 <Tampa> wait what
2020-11-11 21:51 <Ai_Austin> Tampa told me to use hg.zetaworlds.com:80 but maybe the :80 is not actually in the config everywhere as its not in Grid Manager after getting grid info? 
2020-11-11 21:51 <Ai_Austin> unless Firestorm always removes the :80
2020-11-11 21:51 <Tampa> I went to your openvue
2020-11-11 21:51 <Tampa> I don't now have that in my grid manager
2020-11-11 21:52 <Ai_Austin> using FS 6.4.11.62733 tampa?  You may not if TPs work properly.  maybe.
2020-11-11 21:53 <Ai_Austin> Maybe Zeta worlds was in the default grid list?
2020-11-11 21:53 <Tampa> Is that a new setting to add visited grids to grid manager?
2020-11-11 21:53 <Ai_Austin> it shouldnot be.  it seems to be happenign in error when using grid addresses that  difer
2020-11-11 21:53 <Ai_Austin> differ
2020-11-11 21:54 <Ubit> check robust GridInfoService
2020-11-11 21:54 <Ai_Austin> its a bug in te current system.  see https://jira.firestormviewer.org/browse/FIRE-30471
2020-11-11 21:55 <Ai_Austin> See hree Zeta world entries (wrongly) added here... https://jira.firestormviewer.org/secure/attachment/50204/2020-11-11-Multiple-HG-Visits-Give-Multiple-Grid-Manager-Entries.jpg
2020-11-11 21:57 <Tampa> So it duplicates the entries, lol 
2020-11-11 21:57 <Ai_Austin> its a bug in the current beta FS6.4.11.62733.  see https://jira.firestormviewer.org/browse/FIRE-30471
2020-11-11 21:57 <Ai_Austin> I think thats because it tries via hg. hg. :80 and login varisnts
2020-11-11 21:58 <Tampa> The data it did fetch for those fields is correct though
2020-11-11 21:58 <Ai_Austin> and does not see they all produce same entry that may alreday be there. But no entry should be added for just visitign anyway, thats a bug 
2020-11-11 21:58 <Tampa> That's why I have in mine, well apart from the duplicates
2020-11-11 21:58 <Ai_Austin> there could be thousands of such entries and ll unusable 
2020-11-11 21:58 <Tampa> But why does it add them to grid manager, it doesn't do that for me else your grid would be in there
2020-11-11 21:59 <Ai_Austin> thats because my grid works. it seems to add those when it cannot hop to the grid
2020-11-11 21:59 <Ai_Austin> I thinkwer only see those issues for grids that separate grid... and hg... 
2020-11-11 22:00 <Ai_Austin> at elast thats the ONKY time I see it at the moment. though I surmise that it may occur also if alias are used
2020-11-11 22:00 <Ai_Austin> I had two OSGrid entries too until I delete them
2020-11-11 22:01 <Ai_Austin> must go.bye
2020-11-11 22:03 <Tampa> I still don't understand how it adds them
2020-11-11 22:03 <Tampa> eh
2020-11-12 00:19 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-12 00:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #7376 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-12 00:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7376: SUCCESS in 7 min 37 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7376/
2020-11-12 00:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: several changes to simulatorfeatures, special url ones. Centralize those on scene gridinfo. Do host and dns checks, etc. Grid can override local settings, but currently same old mess. Grid login and info fecth should happen before loading anything in scene, specially modules
2020-11-12 01:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #7377 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-12 01:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7377: SUCCESS in 5 min 49 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7377/
2020-11-12 01:11 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove end slash from gridUrl
2020-11-12 01:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #7378 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-12 04:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #7380 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-12 04:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7380: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7380/
2020-11-12 04:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: send it to regions
2020-11-12 11:53 <Tampa> Apparently the wiki is not reachable under ipv6
2020-11-12 11:54 <Tampa> Someone shoot ietf
2020-11-12 12:21 <osmantis> Bug #8800:04 [MAPTILES] Image of lower quality regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8800 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-12 12:26 <djphil> Ok i try when Osgrid is back
2020-11-12 13:04 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-12 17:05 <osmantis> Bug #8805:04 [SimulatorFeatures_Extras] Should this module always be enabled and not optional 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8805 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-11-12 17:10 <osmantis> Bug #8805:04 [SimulatorFeatures_Extras] Should this module always be enabled and not optional 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8805 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-12 17:39 <osmantis> Bug #8805:04 [SimulatorFeatures_Extras] Should this module always be enabled and not optional 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8805 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-12 17:58 <osmantis> Bug #8805:04 [SimulatorFeatures_Extras] Should this module always be enabled and not optional 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8805 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-12 18:15 <osmantis> Bug #8806:04 [FEATURE REQUEST]  timer_script improvements 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8806 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-11-12 18:24 <osmantis> Bug #8806:04 [FEATURE REQUEST]  timer_script improvements 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8806 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-11-12 19:28 <osmantis> Bug #8806:04 [FEATURE REQUEST]  timer_script improvements 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8806 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-12 19:43 <osmantis> Bug #8804:04 Saved Hypergrid visitor avatar name not being updated on later visits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8804 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-12 19:50 <osmantis> Bug #8805:04 [SimulatorFeatures_Extras] Should this module always be enabled and not optional 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8805 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-12 20:06 <osmantis> Bug #8805:04 [SimulatorFeatures_Extras] Should this module always be enabled and not optional 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8805 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-12 20:15 <osmantis> Bug #8805:04 [SimulatorFeatures_Extras] Should this module always be enabled and not optional 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8805 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-12 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #8806:04 [FEATURE REQUEST]  timer_script improvements 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8806 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-12 20:28 <osmantis> Bug #8804:04 Saved Hypergrid visitor avatar name not being updated on later visits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8804 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-12 20:30 <osmantis> Bug #8804:04 Saved Hypergrid visitor avatar name not being updated on later visits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8804 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-12 20:37 <osmantis> Bug #8804:04 Saved Hypergrid visitor avatar name not being updated on later visits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8804 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-11-12 20:42 <osmantis> Bug #8805:04 [SimulatorFeatures_Extras] Should this module always be enabled and not optional 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8805 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-12 20:53 <osmantis> Bug #8805:04 [SimulatorFeatures_Extras] Should this module always be enabled and not optional 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8805 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-12 21:36 <Ubit> changed http://opensimulator.org/wiki/SimulatorFeatures a bit more
2020-11-12 21:43 <osmantis> Bug #8806:04 [FEATURE REQUEST]  timer_script improvements 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8806 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-12 21:53 <osmantis> Bug #8806:04 [FEATURE REQUEST]  timer_script improvements 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8806 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-13 07:21 <osmantis> Bug #8807:04 Script could not be found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8807 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-11-13 09:24 <osmantis> Bug #8807:04 Script could not be found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8807 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-13 09:47 <osmantis> Bug #8804:04 Saved Hypergrid visitor avatar name not being updated on later visits 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8804 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-13 10:03 <osmantis> Bug #8807:04 Script could not be found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8807 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-13 12:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #7381 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-13 12:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7381: SUCCESS in 5 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7381/
2020-11-13 12:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix oshttphost compare
2020-11-13 14:28 <Ubit> changed http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Capabilities a bit
2020-11-13 15:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #7382 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-13 15:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7382: SUCCESS in 4 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7382/
2020-11-13 15:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: robust: look for grid name and nick on another section
2020-11-13 18:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #7383 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-13 18:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7383: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7383/
2020-11-13 18:07 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: simple money module: do not override economy setting if defined
2020-11-13 19:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #7384 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-13 20:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7384: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7384/
2020-11-13 20:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix some typos
2020-11-13 22:56 <osmantis> Bug #8800:04 [MAPTILES] Image of lower quality regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8800 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-14 00:17 <osmantis> Bug #8800:04 [MAPTILES] Image of lower quality regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8800 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-14 01:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #7385 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-14 01:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7385: SUCCESS in 4 min 55 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7385/
2020-11-14 01:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: keep economy (currency-base-uri) a local region setting for now, to avoid some potencial issues where grid side may override local modules
2020-11-14 04:25 <osmantis> Bug #8779:04 land buying using gloebit money module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-14 04:29 <osmantis> Bug #8779:04 land buying using gloebit money module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8779 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2020-11-14 04:56 <osmantis> Bug #8779:04 land buying using gloebit money module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-14 10:01 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-14 10:59 <osmantis> Bug #8800:04 [MAPTILES] Image of lower quality regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8800 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-11-14 11:42 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-14 11:50 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-14 11:51 <osmantis> Bug #8800:04 [MAPTILES] Image of lower quality regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8800 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-14 12:35 <osmantis> Bug #8800:04 [MAPTILES] Image of lower quality regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8800 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-11-14 12:40 <osmantis> Bug #8800:04 [MAPTILES] Image of lower quality regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8800 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-14 12:57 <Ubit> that ansariel does love us
2020-11-14 12:57 <Ubit> well and me
2020-11-14 12:57 <Ubit> https://jira.firestormviewer.org/browse/FIRE-30481
2020-11-14 13:09 <osmantis> Bug #8800:04 [MAPTILES] Image of lower quality regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8800 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-11-14 13:23 <osmantis> Bug #8808:04 voice on private messages do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8808 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-11-14 13:36 <osmantis> Bug #8800:04 [MAPTILES] Image of lower quality regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8800 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-14 13:51 <osmantis> Bug #8800:04 [MAPTILES] Image of lower quality regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8800 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-11-14 14:00 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-14 14:10 <osmantis> Bug #8779:04 land buying using gloebit money module 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8779 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-14 14:22 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-14 14:23 <osmantis> Bug #8800:04 [MAPTILES] Image of lower quality regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8800 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-14 14:25 <osmantis> Bug #8808:04 voice on private messages do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8808 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-14 15:42 <H-H-H> Hey Bill_Blight mind if I pm you for a sec ?
2020-11-14 17:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #7386 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-14 17:25 <osmantis> Bug #8707:04 MySql8 Compatibility issues mb3 not working as expected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8707 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-14 17:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7386: SUCCESS in 5 min 36 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7386/
2020-11-14 17:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change some mysql tables and columns character sets, this is close to patch at mantis 8707, but that is not correct. This should have no impact on current dbs. Many of those are now too large to do this change automaticl,, but they should. Some columns as utf8 (4 bytes in future) are pure waste of space, in fact some are used as indexes and can violate max index size. Namelly on groups V2, reason why we are forced to use utf8mb3 mostl
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2020-11-14 23:44 <osmantis> Bug #8707:04 MySql8 Compatibility issues mb3 not working as expected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8707 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-15 09:36 <JeffKelley> MANTIS incoming http://www.pescadoo.net/tmp/negative_script_count.png
2020-11-15 12:26 <cnayl> Has anyone had any joy using the function llGetAgentLanguage The opensim wiki says it works but it always returns en-us for me. I've tried with both Firestorm and Singularity and get the same. I am using Ubuntu but the viewer shows the languages okay.
2020-11-15 12:29 <djphil> The last time I used it it looks like it was working fine. I'll check it out now.
2020-11-15 12:31 <cnayl> thanks
2020-11-15 12:33 <cnayl> I'm running  OpenSim 0.9.2.0 Yeti Dev   OSgrid 0.9.2.0 Yeti Dev   b598573f41: 2020-05-22 16:55:20 +0100  (Unix/Mono)
2020-11-15 12:38 <djphil> English returns "en" instead of "en-us" as indicated on wikis
2020-11-15 12:38 <djphil> Deutsch return "de", this is correct
2020-11-15 12:38 <djphil> So I would say yes, the function works
2020-11-15 12:38 <djphil> (tested with FS 6.4.5.x)
2020-11-15 12:39 <djphil> (with OSgrid OpenSimulator 0.9.2.dev.f25b128 - [zip] [35.5mb] 11-07-2020) the last one
2020-11-15 12:40 <djphil> I'm just a little bit sad that we haven't had fr-FR in firestorm for some time now :s
2020-11-15 12:40 <djphil> I don't know why ...
2020-11-15 12:41 <cnayl> okay thanks - I guess it may be something on my computer configuration. The wiki does say that en-us is returned by 'old viewers' but mine is latest beta of Firestorm. But I am in the UK so maybe my adjusting Ubuntu settings isn't fooling it!
2020-11-15 12:42 <djphil> I have tested with this script
2020-11-15 12:42 <djphil> https://wiki.osgrid.org/index.php/LlGetAgentLanguage
2020-11-15 12:43 <djphil> with 2 lines modified
2020-11-15 12:43 <djphil> if (lang=="") lang="en"; // Default to English.
2020-11-15 12:43 <djphil> if (lang=="en") {
2020-11-15 12:43 <cnayl> Yes that just gives the en-us response for me even when I set my both my computer and Firestorm to German language
2020-11-15 12:45 <djphil> or to cover all the possibilities you could modify like this:
2020-11-15 12:45 <cnayl> The firestorm settings.xml shows the language as de also
2020-11-15 12:45 <djphil> if (lang=="en" || lang=="en-us") {
2020-11-15 12:46 <cnayl> Alas that won't work as no matter what language I set my computer and Firestorm to, the function LlGetAgentLanguage always returns en-us
2020-11-15 12:47 <djphil> I don't think you need to change your computer configuration but only FS configuration. Remember to restart FS after changing the language. This is required
2020-11-15 12:48 <cnayl> yes I have even rebooted and have every menu everywhere in German but still that function returns en-us :(
2020-11-15 12:48 <djphil> If you say it doesn't work for you, I don't know why ...
2020-11-15 12:49 <djphil> I'm on windows 10, you on Linux ... maybee the problem, i don't know
2020-11-15 12:50 <djphil> Lets me try on Sandbox Plaza, mom
2020-11-15 12:51 <cnayl> okay I can try that also. Plus if you visit  hg.osgrid.org:80:mintor I've put a box with flags on it you can touch and it speaks what it gets for your code.
2020-11-15 12:54 <djphil> Working fine on sandbox plaza
2020-11-15 12:55 <djphil> I'm on your region "Mintor" but can't see your box
2020-11-15 12:55 <cnayl> I guess it must be to do with the linux version of Firestorm then as when I try there I get the same (en-us)
2020-11-15 12:55 <cnayl> big box with flags on near the greeter npc
2020-11-15 12:57 <djphil> Ok i see a,d working. She say "de"
2020-11-15 12:57 <djphil> and*
2020-11-15 12:57 <cnayl> thanks - pretty sure that means the linux viewer doesn't work rather than the function itself then 
2020-11-15 12:58 <djphil> Possible, I don't know. I don't have linux installed where I could test it.
2020-11-15 13:01 <cnayl> I'm going to try getting hands on a Windows PC to check. Plus I guess I can use a VPN to set my actual country outside UK.  Either way I'm feeling called to look into using an IP to country API instead!
2020-11-15 13:10 <djphil> I just tested with my box on your "rez zone" with English langiage. The box said "en" also instead of "en-us".
2020-11-15 13:10 <cnayl> okay thanks for the feedback
2020-11-15 13:10 <djphil> llGetAgentLanguage concerns the viewer only I think ... not your real country or the language of your computer.
2020-11-15 13:13 <djphil> You can live in england, host your region in japan and speak german :p
2020-11-15 13:13 <cnayl> okay thanks - I will give it a go on Second Life see what that does then probably sounding like something to raise with firestorm.org
2020-11-15 13:13 <cnayl> :)
2020-11-15 13:22 <cnayl> Yes just checked using the Second Life viewer and it works fine with that so looks like a Linux/OpenSim issue. Will post a Jira but not going to hold breath!
2020-11-15 13:24 <djphil> Instead of SL viewer, try with FS for SL
2020-11-15 13:24 <cnayl> Sorry, thats what I meant I did :)
2020-11-15 13:24 <djphil> okay :)
2020-11-15 13:29 <osmantis> Bug #8707:04 MySql8 Compatibility issues mb3 not working as expected 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8707 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-15 13:42 <osmantis> Bug #8807:04 Script could not be found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8807 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-15 13:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #7387 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-16 21:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #7388 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-16 21:03 <Ubit> yeack
2020-11-16 21:05 <Tampa> Does that fix it not entering new keys?
2020-11-16 21:06 <Ubit> fixed mysql did break others
2020-11-16 21:06 <Ubit> grrr
2020-11-16 21:06 <Tampa> Two steps forward one step back, they call that progress
2020-11-16 21:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7388: SUCCESS in 5 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7388/
2020-11-16 21:07 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: avoid a null ref in lsl
2020-11-16 21:08 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte:  mantis 8809: fix local grid agent language (hg still not supported)
2020-11-16 21:14 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-16 21:14 <Ubit> note that some viewers may have that set private
2020-11-16 21:15 <Ubit> damm stupid incoerent serielization and dbs
2020-11-16 21:15 <Tampa> By default in FS it is set to true
2020-11-16 21:16 <Tampa> I was more concerned over it just re-using the nullkey
2020-11-16 21:16 <Tampa> I did not think the .Store would allow that given a userID was parsed
2020-11-16 21:17 <Tampa> I deleted the nullkey row, but it keeps coming back
2020-11-16 21:17 <Ubit> bug was getting the privacy from bd
2020-11-16 21:17 <Ubit> db
2020-11-16 21:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #7389 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-16 21:24 <Ubit> english may still be en or en-us becuase reasons
2020-11-16 21:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7389: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7389/
2020-11-16 21:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: stop looking for things in dic twice; cover all true cases from stupid DBs
2020-11-16 21:34 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-16 21:36 <osmantis> Bug #8809:04 LlGetAgentLanguage always returns en-us in OpenSim when using Linux viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8809 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-16 21:51 <osmantis> Bug #8809:04 LlGetAgentLanguage always returns en-us in OpenSim when using Linux viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8809 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-16 21:53 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-16 22:01 <Ubit> Older viewers may return "en-us" instead of "en".
2020-11-16 22:01 <Ubit> that is why we have that
2020-11-16 22:51 <osmantis> Bug #8808:04 voice on private messages do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8808 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-16 23:21 <Ubit> (someone) hi,are you one of the opensimulator compilers?
2020-11-16 23:21 <Ubit> gezz
2020-11-17 03:06 <osmantis> Bug #8808:04 voice on private messages do not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8808 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-17 11:26 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-17 14:16 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-11-17 14:49 <osmantis> Bug #8811:04 MaptileStaticUUID seems not work under Warp3DImageModule 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8811 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-11-17 14:51 <H-H-H> morning folks :)
2020-11-17 15:54 <osmantis> Bug #8811:04 MaptileStaticUUID seems not work under Warp3DImageModule 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8811 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-17 16:49 <osmantis> Bug #8811:04 MaptileStaticUUID seems not work under Warp3DImageModule 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8811 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-17 16:51 <osmantis> Bug #8811:04 MaptileStaticUUID seems not work under Warp3DImageModule 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8811 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-17 17:08 <osmantis> Bug #8811:04 MaptileStaticUUID seems not work under Warp3DImageModule 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8811 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-17 17:14 <osmantis> Bug #8811:04 MaptileStaticUUID seems not work under Warp3DImageModule 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8811 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-11-17 17:22 <osmantis> Bug #8811:04 MaptileStaticUUID seems not work under Warp3DImageModule 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8811 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-17 18:28 <osmantis> Bug #8811:04 MaptileStaticUUID seems not work under Warp3DImageModule 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8811 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-11-17 19:05 <Plugh> Ubit, Meeting time.
2020-11-17 19:05 <Ubit> oops
2020-11-17 19:05 <Ubit> i really forgetting it
2020-11-17 20:29 <Plugh> Meeting log has been posted.
2020-11-17 20:29 <Ubit> wty
2020-11-17 20:29 <Ubit> ty
2020-11-17 21:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #7390 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-17 21:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7390: SUCCESS in 5 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7390/
2020-11-17 21:05 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add a missing ')' on dialogs unknown owner name
2020-11-17 21:05 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: send GridURLAlias even if empty, so viewers can tell this region does support it
2020-11-18 00:29 <Ubit> grrr
2020-11-18 00:30 <Ubit> :)
2020-11-18 18:48 <osmantis> Bug #8812:04 av_av_collisions_off & AvatarToAvatarCollisionsByDefault 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8812 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-11-18 18:56 <osmantis> Bug #8812:04 av_av_collisions_off & AvatarToAvatarCollisionsByDefault 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8812 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-18 20:38 <osmantis> Bug #8812:04 av_av_collisions_off & AvatarToAvatarCollisionsByDefault 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8812 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-18 23:58 <osmantis> Bug #8812:04 av_av_collisions_off & AvatarToAvatarCollisionsByDefault 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8812 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-19 00:00 <osmantis> Bug #8812:04 av_av_collisions_off & AvatarToAvatarCollisionsByDefault 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8812 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-19 00:58 <osmantis> Bug #8813:04 My Suitcase is broken due to invalid folder type specification. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8813 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-11-19 01:09 <osmantis> Bug #8813:04 My Suitcase is broken due to invalid folder type specification. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-19 01:18 <osmantis> Bug #8813:04 My Suitcase is broken due to invalid folder type specification. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-19 01:27 <osmantis> Bug #8813:04 My Suitcase is broken due to invalid folder type specification. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-19 03:03 <osmantis> Bug #8813:04 My Suitcase is broken due to invalid folder type specification. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-19 03:05 <osmantis> Bug #8813:04 My Suitcase is broken due to invalid folder type specification. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-19 03:06 <Ubit> yeack why is my singu in spanish?
2020-11-19 03:06 <Ubit> :)
2020-11-19 05:27 <osmantis> Bug #8810:04 osGetAgentCountry ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8810 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-11-19 05:43 <osmantis> Bug #8810:04 osGetAgentCountry ... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8810 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-11-19 12:32 <osmantis> Bug #7868:04 "My Suitcase" folder missing in OSgrid. (unavailabe) objects are available 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7868 ): has been REOPENED.
2020-11-19 12:33 <osmantis> Bug #7868:04 "My Suitcase" folder missing in OSgrid. (unavailabe) objects are available 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7868 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008813.
2020-11-19 12:33 <osmantis> Bug #8813:04 My Suitcase is broken due to invalid folder type specification. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8813 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0007868.
2020-11-19 12:37 <osmantis> Bug #7868:04 "My Suitcase" folder missing in OSgrid. (unavailabe) objects are available 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7868 ): has been CLOSED
2020-11-19 14:40 <osmantis> Bug #8813:04 My Suitcase is broken due to invalid folder type specification. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-19 14:47 <osmantis> Bug #8806:04 [FEATURE REQUEST]  timer_script improvements 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8806 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 14:53 <osmantis> Bug #8798:04 "Registration failed: Region overlaps another region" locks the server terminal 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8798 ): has been CLOSED
2020-11-19 14:55 <osmantis> Bug #8794:04 OAR commands do not save or load megastructures that are larger than the region. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8794 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 14:59 <osmantis> Bug #8786:04 osDrawImage tends to not work with https image urls 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8786 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:00 <osmantis> Bug #8793:04 llBreakLink does not work properly in YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8793 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:01 <osmantis> Bug #8777:04 osInviteToGroup not functioning as documented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8777 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:02 <osmantis> Bug #8781:04 Drag and drop of an inventory folder to another avatar loses one (last?) item in transfer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8781 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:03 <osmantis> Bug #8769:04 Constant not expanded in Include- directive 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8769 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:05 <osmantis> Bug #8757:04 llList2Vector and llList2Rotation fails to typecast the data (only on x-engine, 0.9.2) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8757 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:06 <osmantis> Bug #8694:04 mantis request for robust server console patch 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8694 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:10 <osmantis> Bug #8701:04 llSetKeyframedMotion() doesn't completely obey ini setting "DisableUndergroundMovement = false" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8701 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:12 <osmantis> Bug #5844:04 NULL key value in in statement does not evaluate as false. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5844 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:15 <osmantis> Bug #8531:04 failed lsl constants? 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8531 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:18 <osmantis> Bug #8650:04 restart simulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8650 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:19 <osmantis> Bug #8619:04 viewer's crash on simcrossing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8619 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:21 <osmantis> Bug #6303:04 Touch event only fires once. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6303 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:25 <osmantis> Bug #8594:04 MSSQL no longer supported, remove configuration from .ini files 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8594 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:26 <osmantis> Bug #8548:04 llGiveInventory() does not work under Yengine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8548 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:28 <osmantis> Bug #8497:04 Cutting a prim into multiface 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8497 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:30 <osmantis> Bug #8473:04 Robust and regions not connecting to mysql database 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8473 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #7391 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-19 15:34 <osmantis> Bug #8405:04 Client version access control does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8405 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:35 <osmantis> Bug #8621:04 Improvement of informaton provided for DEBUG [YEngine]: parsing errors 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8621 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7391: SUCCESS in 5 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7391/
2020-11-19 15:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8621: improve one error message a bit, thanks Tampa
2020-11-19 15:37 <osmantis> Bug #3751:04 maptiles does not show prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3751 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:38 <osmantis> Bug #4998:04 MySQL collations 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4998 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:42 <osmantis> Bug #5765:04 Not able to enable voice chat..... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5765 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:44 <osmantis> Bug #5021:04 Sun daylight dont change 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5021 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:45 <osmantis> Bug #5514:04 with restoring large .iar archive, "object already in use" error with MS-SQL database... 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5514 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:46 <osmantis> Bug #5770:04 property-lines on group-deeded land is not blue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5770 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:46 <osmantis> Bug #5710:04 Setting ACCESS in ABOUT LAND to group access restricts all access 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5710 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:48 <osmantis> Bug #5998:04 Opensim cannot find opensimdefault.ini file when its executed from .bat file thats in other directory. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5998 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:50 <osmantis> Bug #5376:04 Take Copy on a box results in item going to Lost and Found folder 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5376 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:52 <osmantis> Bug #6064:04 Click a point on ground to walk to is inaccurate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6064 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:53 <osmantis> Bug #5848:04 Timer problem 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5848 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:56 <osmantis> Bug #6594:04 Users can log in multiple times 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6594 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:56 <osmantis> Bug #6317:04 freeswitch rejects all connections 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6317 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 15:58 <osmantis> Bug #3631:04 osTeleportAgent not setting avatar rotation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=3631 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 16:01 <osmantis> Bug #6714:04 WindLight cloud settings are not set by region WL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6714 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 16:01 <osmantis> Bug #6007:04 Blank Ground Textures 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6007 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 16:02 <osmantis> Bug #6958:04 Avatars hover above terrain and objects 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6958 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 16:02 <osmantis> Bug #6988:04 Master report for issues caused by Avinaion code drop - please link issues that qualify to this as children 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6988 ): The RELATED issue 0006958 has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 16:02 <osmantis> Bug #6985:04 [VarRegion] Incompatibility between VarRegion and MegaRegion 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6985 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 16:04 <osmantis> Bug #7205:04 Windlight and Lightshare settings are not saved to oars. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7205 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 16:06 <osmantis> Bug #7394:04 Unsit rotation direction 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7394 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 17:47 <osmantis> Bug #8005:04 Crash on Teleport 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8005 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 17:58 <osmantis> Bug #7838:04 osGetSimulatorMemory does not work over 2gb 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7838 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 18:09 <osmantis> Bug #7360:04 14 tables without primary key PGSQL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7360 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-19 18:12 <osmantis> Bug #8285:04 getting loads of errors Help 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8285 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 18:14 <osmantis> Bug #6999:04 Var region, fresh created database dont show terrain. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6999 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 18:17 <osmantis> Bug #8018:04 Strange error in logfile 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8018 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 18:18 <osmantis> Bug #7847:04 Opensim.exe not starting / blocked at startup 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7847 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 18:19 <osmantis> Bug #7821:04 Opensim Bug with Firestorm Viewer 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7821 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 18:21 <osmantis> Bug #7602:04 Boarder Crossing Crashes when using vehicles 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7602 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 18:25 <osmantis> Bug #7300:04 Estate managers and users table fill with multiple duplicate entries 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7300 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-19 19:31 <osmantis> Bug #8813:04 My Suitcase is broken due to invalid folder type specification. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8813 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-19 20:19 -!- Aramis^(~Aramis@c-66-229-179-38.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has left #opensim-dev
2020-11-19 20:49 <osmantis> Bug #6744:04 GridUser table gets extra entry with repeat avatar UUID with variants of hypergrid reference 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6744 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-19 20:50 <osmantis> Bug #6744:04 GridUser table gets extra entry with repeat avatar UUID with variants of hypergrid reference 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6744 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008802.
2020-11-19 20:50 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0006744.
2020-11-19 20:53 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-19 21:43 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-19 21:58 <osmantis> Bug #6744:04 GridUser table gets extra entry with repeat avatar UUID with variants of hypergrid reference 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6744 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-19 21:58 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-19 23:39 <osmantis> Bug #4802:04 Avatar textures are blurry 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=4802 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-20 06:12 <osmantis> Bug #8814:04 Alpha causes loop: "DEBUG [UPLOAD BAKED TEXTURE HANDLER]: Received baked texture" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8814 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-11-20 06:28 <osmantis> Bug #8814:04 Alpha causes loop: "DEBUG [UPLOAD BAKED TEXTURE HANDLER]: Received baked texture" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8814 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-20 06:31 <BillBlight> @tampa .. The guy says .9.1.1 so don't think BOM is his issue
2020-11-20 06:32 <Tampa> Was just a wild guess really
2020-11-20 06:33 <Tampa> Seen that alpha spam for a few versions now, before used to just be corrupted assets fixed by making a new one
2020-11-20 06:33 <Tampa> Now it fails because of the default textures being black or blank
2020-11-20 06:34 <Tampa> Fixed by setting them transparent or semi-transparent for that matter
2020-11-20 06:35 <Tampa> Guess missing alpha layer in the texture causing this?
2020-11-20 06:36 <Tampa> Loop detection might not be so easy, but given this is just one of a few ways this spam can happen it would help more in the long run
2020-11-20 06:36 <Tampa> Corrupted mesh and textures are still a thing sadly so the causes are plentiful
2020-11-20 06:38 <Tampa> Might be fun to make avfactory spam the user in return that their avatar is broken, but that's just being mean really
2020-11-20 06:40 <Tampa> There were some changes to that before BoM due to textures on mesh being a bit weird as well, though I don't think that touches alpha stuff, was more about the becoming blurry and corrupt iirc
2020-11-20 06:41 <Tampa> ...but with images you never know, stuff's borderline magic in some cases
2020-11-20 09:52 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-20 12:21 <osmantis> Bug #8814:04 Alpha causes loop: "DEBUG [UPLOAD BAKED TEXTURE HANDLER]: Received baked texture" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8814 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-20 12:22 <osmantis> Bug #8814:04 Alpha causes loop: "DEBUG [UPLOAD BAKED TEXTURE HANDLER]: Received baked texture" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8814 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-11-20 12:26 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-20 13:33 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-20 13:57 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-20 14:25 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-20 19:02 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-20 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-20 20:46 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-20 20:51 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-20 20:55 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-20 20:55 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-21 00:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #7392 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-21 00:20 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-21 00:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7392: SUCCESS in 5 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7392/
2020-11-21 00:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8802 and 6744: change how griduserservice handles duplicated entries, trying to use the most recent. Add cache to compensate the very low performance of the search the db engine is force to do. WARNING this is not compatible with current Diva Wifi. that will replace this code or not run at all
2020-11-21 00:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #7393 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-21 00:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7393: FAILURE in 3 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7393/
2020-11-21 00:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change usermanagement user homeurl verification and local grid detection, using new GridInfo and OSHHTPHost
2020-11-21 00:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #7394 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7392 31 min ago)
2020-11-21 00:52 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-11-21 00:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7394: FIXED in 5 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7394/
2020-11-21 00:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a test
2020-11-21 02:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #7395 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-11-21 02:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7395: SUCCESS in 5 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7395/
2020-11-21 02:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add cache to PresenceService
2020-11-21 03:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #7396 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-21 03:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7396: SUCCESS in 5 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7396/
2020-11-21 03:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: verify user service urls with same rules
2020-11-21 04:29 <osmantis> Bug #8814:04 Alpha causes loop: "DEBUG [UPLOAD BAKED TEXTURE HANDLER]: Received baked texture" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8814 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-21 05:06 <osmantis> Bug #8814:04 Alpha causes loop: "DEBUG [UPLOAD BAKED TEXTURE HANDLER]: Received baked texture" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8814 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-21 05:51 <osmantis> Bug #8752:04 Sending a folder from inventory to another user no longer gives the receiving user confirmation 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8752 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-21 05:53 <osmantis> Bug #8450:04 Viewer crash if TP takes longer than a couple seconds to complete 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8450 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-21 11:54 <osmantis> Bug #8815:04 [SCRIPT ENGINE] Problems with bump shiny and shininess and full bright 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8815 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-11-21 11:55 <osmantis> Bug #8815:04 [SCRIPT ENGINE] Problems with bump shiny and shininess and full bright 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8815 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2020-11-21 11:56 <osmantis> Bug #8815:04 [SCRIPT ENGINE] Problems with bump shiny and shininess and full bright 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8815 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2020-11-21 11:59 <osmantis> Bug #8815:04 [SCRIPT ENGINE] Problems with bump shiny and shininess and full bright 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8815 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2020-11-21 12:15 <Ubit> guess my isp ? can't reach site either
2020-11-21 12:16 <Ubit> oops wrong channel
2020-11-21 14:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #7397 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-21 14:57 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-21 14:59 <osmantis> Bug #8815:04 [SCRIPT ENGINE] Problems with bump shiny and shininess and full bright 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8815 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-21 14:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7397: SUCCESS in 7 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7397/
2020-11-21 14:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8815: update libomv
2020-11-21 15:24 <osmantis> Bug #8815:04 [SCRIPT ENGINE] Problems with bump shiny and shininess and full bright 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8815 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-11-21 16:26 <osmantis> Bug #8816:04 Robust[.HG.].ini DestinationGuide setting when given an html page has an added slash on end 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8816 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-11-21 16:33 <osmantis> Bug #8816:04 Robust[.HG.].ini DestinationGuide setting when given an html page has an added slash on end 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8816 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-21 18:59 <osmantis> Bug #8816:04 Robust[.HG.].ini DestinationGuide setting when given an html page has an added slash on end 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8816 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-21 19:10 <osmantis> Bug #8816:04 Robust[.HG.].ini DestinationGuide setting when given an html page has an added slash on end 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8816 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-11-21 19:25 <osmantis> Bug #8816:04 Robust[.HG.].ini DestinationGuide setting when given an html page has an added slash on end 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8816 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-21 19:32 <osmantis> Bug #8816:04 Robust[.HG.].ini DestinationGuide setting when given an html page has an added slash on end 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8816 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-11-21 20:05 <osmantis> Bug #8816:04 Robust[.HG.].ini DestinationGuide setting when given an html page has an added slash on end 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8816 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-21 20:35 <osmantis> Bug #8816:04 Robust[.HG.].ini DestinationGuide setting when given an html page has an added slash on end 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8816 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-21 20:46 <osmantis> Bug #8816:04 Robust[.HG.].ini DestinationGuide setting when given an html page has an added slash on end 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8816 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-11-21 23:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #7398 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-21 23:12 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7398: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7398/
2020-11-21 23:12 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8816: change handling of uri end slash
2020-11-21 23:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #7399 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-21 23:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7399: SUCCESS in 5 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7399/
2020-11-21 23:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8816: change it again. Slash will be there or not acording to the local path
2020-11-21 23:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #7400 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-21 23:52 <osmantis> Bug #8816:04 Robust[.HG.].ini DestinationGuide setting when given an html page has an added slash on end 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8816 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-21 23:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7400: SUCCESS in 5 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7400/
2020-11-21 23:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8816: missed a few spots
2020-11-22 01:42 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-22 05:15 <osmantis> Bug #8217:04 Add functionality to handle Estates through Regions.ini 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8217 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-22 06:51 <osmantis> Bug #6760:04 System.NullReferenceException 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6760 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-22 06:55 <osmantis> Bug #5258:04 Robust.HG.ini.example Queries and Corrections 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5258 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-22 06:56 <osmantis> Bug #8358:04 Remove dataserver event delay 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8358 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-22 07:04 <osmantis> Bug #7791:04 32bit and 64bit ode libs for linux 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7791 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-22 08:49 <djphil> What is the delay time for osForceAttachToAvatar?
2020-11-22 08:49 <djphil> The wiki says 0 but it seems to be at least 2.0 seconds.
2020-11-22 09:23 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-22 11:17 <osmantis> Bug #7941:04 llCollisionFilter not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7941 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-22 11:35 <osmantis> Bug #7941:04 llCollisionFilter not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7941 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-11-22 11:49 <osmantis> Bug #7941:04 llCollisionFilter not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7941 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-22 14:28 <osmantis> Bug #8816:04 Robust[.HG.].ini DestinationGuide setting when given an html page has an added slash on end 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8816 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2020-11-22 14:29 <osmantis> Bug #8816:04 Robust[.HG.].ini DestinationGuide setting when given an html page has an added slash on end 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8816 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-22 14:29 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2020-11-22 14:33 <osmantis> Bug #8802:04 Hypergrid Jump from OSGrid to another already visited grid fails first time works second time 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8802 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-22 16:48 <osmantis> Bug #8817:04 [SCRIPT ENGINE] The id on OS attach event no work like on SL with XEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8817 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-11-22 16:51 <osmantis> Bug #8817:04 [SCRIPT ENGINE] The id on OS attach event no work like on SL with XEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8817 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-22 16:57 <osmantis> Bug #8817:04 [SCRIPT ENGINE] The id on OS attach event no work like on SL with XEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8817 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-11-22 17:54 <osmantis> Bug #8818:04 [SCRIPT ENGINE] Object in inventory after relog for osDropAttachment and osDropAttachmentAt 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8818 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-11-22 17:56 <osmantis> Bug #8818:04 [SCRIPT ENGINE] Object in inventory after relog for osDropAttachment and osDropAttachmentAt 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8818 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2020-11-23 04:37 <osmantis> Bug #8814:04 Alpha causes loop: "DEBUG [UPLOAD BAKED TEXTURE HANDLER]: Received baked texture" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8814 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-23 09:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #7401 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-23 09:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7401: SUCCESS in 5 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7401/
2020-11-23 09:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix lm fetch on HG
2020-11-24 13:51 <Tampa> Scripts   : -178 says show scene
2020-11-24 18:57 <Ubit> meeting?
2020-11-24 18:57 <Ubit> meow.. meowww meow ?
2020-11-24 19:17 <osmantis> Bug #8819:04 Cannot select land behind 252 m in X or Y direction 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8819 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-11-24 19:32 <osmantis> Bug #8819:04 Cannot select land behind 252 m in X or Y direction 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8819 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-24 20:10 <osmantis> Bug #8819:04 Cannot select land behind 252 m in X or Y direction 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8819 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-24 21:31 <djphil> osSetOwnerSpeed set the speed of the owner of the script or set the speed of the owner of the prim ?
2020-11-24 21:34 <djphil> I imagine this is the owner of the prim
2020-11-24 21:48 <osmantis> Bug #8819:04 Cannot select land behind 252 m in X or Y direction 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8819 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-24 22:01 <snik> hi folks, anyone know what the "environment" field in the land table is actually used for?
2020-11-24 22:01 <Ubit> guess what..
2020-11-24 22:02 <snik> as its not documented on the opensimulator.org web site
2020-11-24 22:02 <Ubit> environment ?
2020-11-24 22:02 <Ubit> :p
2020-11-24 22:02 <Ubit> and since that means anything?
2020-11-24 22:02 <Ubit> since when
2020-11-24 22:02 <snik> so on all my fields, its empty
2020-11-24 22:03 <snik> does any  opensim server code actually push any values into that field?
2020-11-24 22:04 <Ubit> yes
2020-11-24 22:05 <snik> under what circumstances ubit, once every blue moon on a friday the 13th?
2020-11-24 22:05 <Ubit> what part of enviroment you missed
2020-11-24 22:05 <snik> none, currently
2020-11-24 22:05 <Ubit> it is the environment
2020-11-24 22:06 <Ubit> region one was WL
2020-11-24 22:06 <Ubit> now parcels can have own also
2020-11-24 22:06 <snik> its and empty filed in every land entry on both my main grid server and simulator server
2020-11-24 22:06 <Ubit> did you set any parcel own environment?
2020-11-24 22:07 <snik> dunno :)
2020-11-24 22:07 <snik> probably not
2020-11-24 22:07 <Ubit> you know about eep right?
2020-11-24 22:07 <snik> i have a vague familiarity with such
2020-11-24 22:08 <Ubit> well thats it
2020-11-24 22:09 <snik> ah fairy nuff ubit
2020-11-24 22:09 <Ubit> there was already one entry on region for old WL now used for eep
2020-11-24 22:09 <Ubit> and parcels can have own
2020-11-24 22:09 <snik> is it likely that the opensim website database documentation might get an update to reflect the new fiels changes and additions to the database anytime soon?
2020-11-24 22:10 <Ubit> and yeah.. bad ll broke my pretty moon
2020-11-24 22:10 <Ubit> or just delete all that
2020-11-24 22:10 <Ubit> excess detail 
2020-11-24 22:11 <djphil> and anyone know if 01osSetOwnerSpeed set the speed of the owner of the script or set the speed of the owner of the prim ?01
2020-11-24 22:12 <Ubit> like name say prim owner
2020-11-24 22:12 <Ubit> and it is a multipler not speed
2020-11-24 22:12 <Ubit> max 4x
2020-11-24 22:14 <djphil> you mean 1.0 multiplié by  xxx
2020-11-24 22:14 <djphil> multiplied*
2020-11-24 22:14 <Ubit> you really typed that?
2020-11-24 22:14 <Ubit> :)
2020-11-24 22:15 <Ubit> i allows to multyply default speed by that factor
2020-11-24 22:15 <djphil> well if the current speed is 2.0 then it would be 2.0 multiplied by xxx
2020-11-24 22:15 <Ubit> not sure it is 2
2020-11-24 22:15 <djphil> ok, default speed is 1.0
2020-11-24 22:15 <Ubit> and depends on current motion state
2020-11-24 22:16 <djphil> Ok, I'll just update the script.
2020-11-24 22:16 <djphil> The details, I'll let you do :p
2020-11-24 22:17 <djphil> Thanks for the informations ;)
2020-11-25 09:59 <osmantis> Bug #8819:04 Cannot select land behind 252 m in X or Y direction 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8819 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-25 10:00 <osmantis> Bug #8819:04 Cannot select land behind 252 m in X or Y direction 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8819 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-26 12:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #7402 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-26 12:16 <Ubit> oops
2020-11-26 12:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7402: FAILURE in 1 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7402/
2020-11-26 12:17 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8819: fix ParcelPropertiesRequest bounds check
2020-11-26 12:17 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change sqlitesimulationdata locks a bit
2020-11-26 12:17 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: split usermanagement adduser into simpler per case methods
2020-11-26 12:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #7403 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7401 3 days 3 hr ago)
2020-11-26 12:28 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-11-26 12:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7403: FIXED in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7403/
2020-11-26 12:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing files
2020-11-26 23:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #7404 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-11-26 23:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7404: FAILURE in 1 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7404/
2020-11-26 23:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: comment out robust HandleWebSocketLoginEvents listenner and handler, Tell us if you use it, bc its candidate to total removal
2020-11-26 23:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #7405 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7403 11 hr ago)
2020-11-26 23:58 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-11-26 23:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7405: FIXED in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7405/
2020-11-26 23:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ofc i forgot a file
2020-11-27 01:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #7406 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-11-27 01:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7406: SUCCESS in 5 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7406/
2020-11-27 01:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: handle missing entries on GridUserData
2020-11-27 03:37 -!- Aramis^(~Aramis@c-66-229-179-38.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has left #opensim-dev
2020-11-27 10:16 <osmantis> Bug #8414:04 Inventory copy and paste on a folder with content only copies empty folder and does not copy any contents. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8414 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-27 12:37 <osmantis> Bug #8414:04 Inventory copy and paste on a folder with content only copies empty folder and does not copy any contents. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8414 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-27 13:34 <osmantis> Bug #8414:04 Inventory copy and paste on a folder with content only copies empty folder and does not copy any contents. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8414 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-27 13:37 <osmantis> Bug #8414:04 Inventory copy and paste on a folder with content only copies empty folder and does not copy any contents. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8414 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-27 20:39 <osmantis> Bug #8414:04 Inventory copy and paste on a folder with content only copies empty folder and does not copy any contents. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8414 ): has been ASSIGNED.
2020-11-27 20:41 <osmantis> Bug #8414:04 Inventory copy and paste on a folder with content only copies empty folder and does not copy any contents. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8414 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-11-28 14:41 <osmantis> Bug #8820:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osCollisionSound Improvement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8820 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-11-28 15:00 <osmantis> Bug #8821:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osNpcSendIM 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8821 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-11-28 15:00 <osmantis> Bug #8822:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osNpcGiveItem 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8822 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-11-28 15:10 <osmantis> Bug #8822:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osNpcGiveItem 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8822 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2020-11-28 16:40 <osmantis> Bug #8823:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] problem with llSetContentType in OpenSimulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8823 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-11-28 16:45 <osmantis> Bug #8823:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] problem with llSetContentType in OpenSimulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8823 ): Le bogue suivant a été mis à jour.
2020-11-28 20:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #7407 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-28 20:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7407: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7407/
2020-11-28 20:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: xmlrpc handler, remove a useless tmp string, that can be large, and implicit convertions to utf-16 and back to utf-8, make the serielization be already utf8
2020-11-28 22:40 <osmantis> Bug #8391:04 Object Contents failing to load promptly 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8391 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-29 12:33 <Ubit> oops
2020-11-29 12:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #7408 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-11-29 12:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7408: FAILURE in 9 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7408/
2020-11-29 12:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reenable keepalive local override, + cosmetics
2020-11-29 12:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #7409 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7407 15 hr ago)
2020-11-29 12:53 <osmantis> Bug #8824:04 [NPC] Remove particles from osNpcSayTo 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8824 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-11-29 13:00 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-11-29 13:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7409: FIXED in 14 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7409/
2020-11-29 13:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let urlmodule pool request do some work ( missing from last commit)
2020-11-29 14:29 <osmantis> Bug #8824:04 [NPC] Remove particles from osNpcSayTo 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8824 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-29 14:33 <osmantis> Bug #8824:04 [NPC] Remove particles from osNpcSayTo 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8824 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-11-29 14:48 <osmantis> Bug #8824:04 [NPC] Remove particles from osNpcSayTo 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8824 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-29 14:55 <osmantis> Bug #8824:04 [NPC] Remove particles from osNpcSayTo 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8824 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-11-29 15:02 <osmantis> Bug #8824:04 [NPC] Remove particles from osNpcSayTo 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8824 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-11-29 15:05 <osmantis> Bug #8824:04 [NPC] Remove particles from osNpcSayTo 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8824 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-29 15:27 <osmantis> Bug #8824:04 [NPC] Remove particles from osNpcSayTo 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8824 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-29 15:41 <osmantis> Bug #8824:04 [NPC] Remove particles from osNpcSayTo 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8824 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-11-29 17:16 <osmantis> Bug #8824:04 [NPC] Remove particles from osNpcSayTo 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8824 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-29 17:37 <osmantis> Bug #8825:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osSetPrimFloatOnWater does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8825 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-11-29 17:41 <osmantis> Bug #8824:04 [NPC] Remove particles from osNpcSayTo 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8824 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-11-29 18:04 <osmantis> Bug #8825:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osSetPrimFloatOnWater does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8825 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-11-29 18:05 <djphil> From memory, unless I'm mistaken, it worked (before)
2020-11-29 18:06 <BillBlight> Don't think so
2020-11-29 18:06 <djphil> I unfortunately no longer have an old simulator where I could test it
2020-11-29 18:07 <BillBlight> I do a lot with watercraft , and I don't remember it ever working 
2020-11-29 18:07 <djphil> But why suppress a nifty function ?
2020-11-29 18:09 <djphil> I think it worked in the past ... but of course I could be wrong.
2020-11-29 18:09 <djphil> I think I have tested it in the past, as you know I test all of this :p
2020-11-29 18:09 <cnayl> I tried with this several years back and I have never seen it work. It's also a bit odd that on the wiki it comes under the 'admin' section rather than the prim section
2020-11-29 18:10 <djphil> True for the wrong section cnayl
2020-11-29 18:57 <djphil> Here is a video that should make everyone agree ... :p
2020-11-29 18:57 <djphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n_cVnaowoY
2020-11-29 18:57 <djphil> Tested with an old Diva in OpenSim 0.9.0.0 Release
2020-11-29 18:58 <djphil> From memory, with my old jOpenSim Grid 0.9.0.1 it worked a little better
2020-11-29 18:59 <djphil> Currently with Opensim 0.9.2.x Dev the prim simply drops
2020-11-29 22:44 <Ubit> hard to work when water has no physics
2020-11-29 22:45 <Ubit> wonder why i wasted time keeping flags for it on ubODE
2020-11-29 22:46 <djphil> Funny that you talkin 'about it right now
2020-11-29 22:46 <djphil> I am just busy writing a little script to mimic the ossl function.
2020-11-29 22:46 <djphil> I am thinking of playing with buoancy and detecting respectively the position of the water and the position of the prim in a small timer :p
2020-11-29 22:47 <Ubit> and that implied physics to have like a a water plane
2020-11-29 22:47 <Ubit> then only did collision reports
2020-11-29 22:47 <Ubit> no float at all
2020-11-29 22:48 <Ubit> yeah useless function
2020-11-29 22:48 <Ubit> have ideas about water and use of floaters
2020-11-29 22:49 <Ubit> but those are not just "float"
2020-11-29 22:49 <djphil> Well I imagine that llWater (ZERO_VECTOR) will help me to know the height of the water :)
2020-11-29 22:49 <Ubit> water is just a height
2020-11-29 22:49 <Ubit> for physics now
2020-11-29 22:49 <djphil> yes, isn't physical
2020-11-29 22:50 <djphil> and not a 3D water :p
2020-11-29 22:50 <Ubit> well vehcles do hover over water
2020-11-29 22:50 <djphil> true :)
2020-11-29 22:50 <Ubit> so it does have uses
2020-11-29 22:50 <djphil> how it do that ??? :)
2020-11-29 22:51 <Ubit> compare z with water height etc etc
2020-11-29 22:52 <djphil> That exactly what i do in my script currently :p
2020-11-29 22:52 <djphil> and yes it has uses it is on ... a simple beach buoy, a lighthouse in the middle of the water, ...
2020-11-29 22:53 <Ubit> well the buoys ive seen are pure spammers
2020-11-29 22:53 <Ubit> tons of lludp
2020-11-29 22:53 <Ubit> to do little tilt etc 
2020-11-29 22:54 <Ubit> yeachhh and blink.. blink is terrible
2020-11-29 22:54 <Ubit> remember old days at avn a region totally overloaded
2020-11-29 22:55 <djphil> There are also fake ones, with keyframe motion
2020-11-29 22:55 <djphil> But yes I also saw horrible with 0.1 timers and wile loops in them, awful
2020-11-29 22:55 <Ubit> found a very nice stage, filled with modern audio equipment
2020-11-29 22:55 <Ubit> modern that is ton of leds..
2020-11-29 22:55 <Ubit> each aith own blick comands
2020-11-29 22:55 <Ubit> TONs of leds.. vu meters etc 
2020-11-29 22:56 <Ubit> all the lludp bandwidth taken by those blinks :)
2020-11-29 22:56 <djphil> Hehe
2020-11-29 22:57 <Ubit> seen almost that also with buoys
2020-11-29 22:57 <djphil> Fortunately, not everyone is messing around ... :p
2020-11-29 22:58 <Ubit> my idea for water would be viewer/region 3d water
2020-11-29 22:58 <Ubit> still simple model
2020-11-29 22:58 <Ubit> but defined by a f(x,y,t)
2020-11-29 22:58 <djphil> Yes we have been waiting for this for a long time :)
2020-11-29 22:59 <djphil> and that would be just great
2020-11-29 22:59 <Ubit> for same time, x, y same water displacement
2020-11-29 22:59 <djphil> Rev had already developed this server side and viewer side
2020-11-29 22:59 <Ubit> prob is time sync :)
2020-11-29 22:59 <Ubit> no he did other think
2020-11-29 23:00 <Ubit> unsustainable
2020-11-29 23:00 <Ubit> we sent water as terrain is sent
2020-11-29 23:00 <Ubit> unsustainable
2020-11-29 23:00 <Ubit> tons and tons of data
2020-11-29 23:00 <djphil> Many 3D worlds already have 3D water ...
2020-11-29 23:00 <Ubit> games are other story
2020-11-29 23:01 <djphil> This is not really new ...
2020-11-29 23:01 <djphil> Virtual world have too, not only games
2020-11-29 23:01 <Ubit> prob is that water must be coerent across regions
2020-11-29 23:01 <Ubit> and it is not now if you mess with levels :)
2020-11-29 23:02 <djphil> Hehe true
2020-11-29 23:02 <djphil> A challenge for you :p
2020-11-29 23:03 <djphil> A large mesh plane maybee ... synchronized
2020-11-29 23:04 <Ubit> nahh 
2020-11-29 23:04 <djphil> But already the things of Tide are terribly heavy :s
2020-11-29 23:04 <Ubit> viewers already use a function similar to simple 3d water games use
2020-11-29 23:04 <Ubit> and most have no tides at all
2020-11-29 23:05 <djphil> 3D water simple would already be welcome ...
2020-11-29 23:06 <djphil> But it will also be necessary to color the sand at the edge of the water hihihi
2020-11-30 00:11 <djphil> After a few tests, a non-physics prim is pretty easy to "float" ... but a physics prim is harder to make it look a little realistic. It must be adjusted very finely
2020-11-30 00:12 <djphil> Maybe with the vehicle engine it would be more realistic, Maybe with the vehicle engine it would be more realistic, mmm I'll test that too
2020-11-30 02:23 <osmantis> Bug #8825:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osSetPrimFloatOnWater does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8825 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-12-01 13:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #7410 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-12-01 13:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7410: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7410/
2020-12-01 13:26 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: update xmlrpc.dll with a fix for empty base64 case
2020-12-01 13:26 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: xmlrpc http hander: remove another temporary string
2020-12-01 16:40 <djphil> Anyone know what osNpcSaveAppearance returns when creating the notecard fails?
2020-12-01 16:40 <djphil> Is it a NULL_KEY or an empty key ?
2020-12-01 18:07 <AliciaRaven> null key == empty key
2020-12-01 18:07 <djphil> iI want to say ""
2020-12-01 18:08 <AliciaRaven> when returing a key an empty string should not be a valid response
2020-12-01 18:09 <AliciaRaven> not 100% sure, os doesnt always follow logic lol
2020-12-01 18:09 <djphil> i agree  with
2020-12-01 18:09 <djphil> I just want to know if it returns "00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000" or ""
2020-12-01 18:10 <AliciaRaven> if the return is a key, it should not be able to return ""
2020-12-01 18:11 <djphil> It's true, I just wanted to make sure
2020-12-01 18:11 <djphil> Thank's :)
2020-12-01 18:11 <AliciaRaven> but then LSLKey is also a string, so i could be wrong
2020-12-01 18:12 <djphil> Hehe :p
2020-12-01 18:13 <djphil> As the wiki does not specify anything on this subject, I want to know exactly to make a valid script as an example that checks if the notecard has been created correctly.
2020-12-01 18:35 <Ubit> NULL_KEY is "00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000"
2020-12-01 18:36 <Ubit> there is no empty key
2020-12-01 18:36 <djphil> Yes agrre :)
2020-12-01 18:36 <Ubit> but since like sl a key is treadted as a special string, we may think empty key as ""
2020-12-01 18:36 <djphil> and what is returned if 01osNpcSaveAppearanc01 fail ?
2020-12-01 18:37 <Ubit> test :p
2020-12-01 18:37 <djphil> i can't create something fail lol
2020-12-01 18:37 <cnayl> How would it fail?
2020-12-01 18:37 <Ubit> week tester :p
2020-12-01 18:38 <cnayl> I would have thought the only way it could fail is with ossl permissions and you would already have got error messages then?
2020-12-01 18:38 <cnayl> I do notice ossl scripting doesn't seem to mention return values that often!
2020-12-01 18:38 <djphil> I tried clicking really fast (as Ubit likes) but failed to get a result that fails.
2020-12-01 18:38 <Ubit> return new LSL_Key(ScriptBaseClass.NULL_KEY);
2020-12-01 18:39 <Ubit> it does return null_key on fails
2020-12-01 18:39 <djphil> ok thanks Ubit, exactly what i wanted to know ;)
2020-12-01 18:39 <Ubit> public const string NULL_KEY = "00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000";
2020-12-01 18:39 <Ubit> as i said.. 
2020-12-01 18:39 <Ubit> internally key == string ( with exceptions )
2020-12-01 18:40 <Ubit> mb with Y only we could make it a proper type
2020-12-01 18:40 <djphil> It's true cnayl, that's why I'm trying to complete the wiki on this subject as well (but with the exact information !!!)
2020-12-01 18:40 <Ubit> something not possibel with Xe
2020-12-01 18:41 <djphil> I'm also trying to create script that uses it to demonstrate this ...
2020-12-01 18:41 <cnayl> thanks djphil - do appreciate the work you are doing on the wiki :)
2020-12-01 18:41 <Ubit> once i almost made it a proper type on Xengine.. Almost :)
2020-12-01 18:41 <Ubit> gave up ;)
2020-12-01 18:43 <Ubit> note that on several funtions giving NULL_KEY or "" does have diferent effect
2020-12-01 18:44 <Ubit> hmmm dont remember one now.. details ;)
2020-12-01 18:45 <djphil> It's not too late Ubit :p
2020-12-01 18:45 <djphil> thank's  cnayl :)
2020-12-01 18:46 <djphil> We also all appreciate the addition of Ubit
2020-12-01 18:47 <Ubit> addition of ubit?
2020-12-01 18:48 <djphil> On wiki i mean
2020-12-01 18:48 <Ubit> i didn't touch wiki today
2020-12-01 18:48 <Ubit> mb my cat did it while i wasn't here?
2020-12-01 18:49 <djphil> I don't say "today" ^^
2020-12-01 18:49 <Ubit> check fo entries with tons or repeated chars...
2020-12-01 18:50 <Ubit> :)
2020-12-01 18:50 <djphil> You mean in the source code ^^
2020-12-01 18:51 <Ubit> they did code also yes
2020-12-01 18:51 <djphil> osDie(The cat key);
2020-12-01 18:52 <Ubit> hmm isn't today a meeting day?
2020-12-01 18:53 <djphil> Ask the the cat
2020-12-01 18:53 <djphil> to the*
2020-12-01 18:58 <Ubit> oh Plugh's car Meooow meoowww outreach meow!
2020-12-01 18:58 <Ubit> plughs cat also
2020-12-01 23:50 <osmantis> Bug #8825:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osSetPrimFloatOnWater does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8825 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-02 01:05 <djphil> Some avatars sit badly on Dev Outreach https://ibb.co/Y3zJy5h
2020-12-02 01:51 <osmantis> Bug #8826:04 Alpha mode on BoM body changes to "none" from masking or alpha when HG hopping (even if no mod). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8826 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-12-02 08:37 <osmantis> Bug #8825:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osSetPrimFloatOnWater does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8825 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-02 08:54 <osmantis> Bug #8826:04 Alpha mode on BoM body changes to "none" from masking or alpha when HG hopping (even if no mod). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8826 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-02 09:01 <osmantis> Bug #8825:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osSetPrimFloatOnWater does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8825 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-02 14:23 <osmantis> Bug #8827:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetLastChangedEventKey small improvement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8827 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-12-02 14:25 <osmantis> Bug #8825:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osSetPrimFloatOnWater does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8825 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-12-02 14:29 <osmantis> Bug #8827:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetLastChangedEventKey small improvement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8827 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-02 14:30 <osmantis> Bug #8825:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osSetPrimFloatOnWater does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8825 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-02 14:37 <osmantis> Bug #8827:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetLastChangedEventKey small improvement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8827 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2020-12-02 14:45 <osmantis> Bug #8825:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] osSetPrimFloatOnWater does not work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8825 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-12-02 15:26 <osmantis> Bug #8828:04 [SCRIPT CONSTANT] CHANGED_ALLOWED_DROP Doesn't work like the SL wiki says 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8828 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-12-02 16:15 <osmantis> Bug #8828:04 [SCRIPT CONSTANT] CHANGED_ALLOWED_DROP Doesn't work like the SL wiki says 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8828 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-02 16:19 <osmantis> Bug #8828:04 [SCRIPT CONSTANT] CHANGED_ALLOWED_DROP Doesn't work like the SL wiki says 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8828 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-12-02 16:41 <osmantis> Bug #8828:04 [SCRIPT CONSTANT] CHANGED_ALLOWED_DROP Doesn't work like the SL wiki says 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8828 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-02 16:45 <osmantis> Bug #8828:04 [SCRIPT CONSTANT] CHANGED_ALLOWED_DROP Doesn't work like the SL wiki says 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8828 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-02 16:50 <osmantis> Bug #8828:04 [SCRIPT CONSTANT] CHANGED_ALLOWED_DROP Doesn't work like the SL wiki says 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8828 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-12-02 16:56 <osmantis> Bug #8828:04 [SCRIPT CONSTANT] CHANGED_ALLOWED_DROP Doesn't work like the SL wiki says 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8828 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-12-02 16:58 <Ubit> dj don't see you at dev outreach :p
2020-12-02 16:58 <djphil> Well i have tested and go back on ly region ... :p
2020-12-02 16:58 <djphil> Mom
2020-12-02 17:26 <osmantis> Bug #8828:04 [SCRIPT CONSTANT] CHANGED_ALLOWED_DROP Doesn't work like the SL wiki says 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8828 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-12-02 17:26 <osmantis> Bug #8828:04 [SCRIPT CONSTANT] CHANGED_ALLOWED_DROP Doesn't work like the SL wiki says 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8828 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2020-12-02 19:51 <osmantis> Bug #8826:04 Alpha mode on BoM body changes to "none" from masking or alpha when HG hopping (even if no mod). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8826 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-02 19:57 <osmantis> Bug #8826:04 Alpha mode on BoM body changes to "none" from masking or alpha when HG hopping (even if no mod). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8826 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-02 20:29 <osmantis> Bug #8826:04 Alpha mode on BoM body changes to "none" from masking or alpha when HG hopping (even if no mod). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8826 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-02 20:30 <osmantis> Bug #8826:04 Alpha mode on BoM body changes to "none" from masking or alpha when HG hopping (even if no mod). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8826 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-02 20:40 <osmantis> Bug #8826:04 Alpha mode on BoM body changes to "none" from masking or alpha when HG hopping (even if no mod). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8826 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-02 21:52 <osmantis> Bug #8826:04 Alpha mode on BoM body changes to "none" from masking or alpha when HG hopping (even if no mod). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8826 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-02 22:02 <djphil> Ubit, for http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsApproxEquals you say:
2020-12-02 22:02 <djphil> ... "on Xengine use ..."
2020-12-02 22:02 <djphil> for:
2020-12-02 22:02 <djphil> if (osApproxEquals (pos, otherpos, 0.2)) // on Xengine use if (osApproxEquals (pos, otherpos, 0.2) == 1)
2020-12-02 22:02 <djphil> and for:
2020-12-02 22:02 <djphil> if (osApproxEquals (pos, otherpos)) // on Xengine use if (osApproxEquals (pos, otherpos) == 1)
2020-12-02 22:02 <djphil> But
2020-12-02 22:02 <djphil> I tested these 2 variants on X and Y but I don't see any difference
2020-12-02 22:02 <djphil> The 2 variants seem to be able to be used without problem on X and Y
2020-12-02 22:02 <djphil> So my question is: Is this still relevant?
2020-12-02 22:12 <Ubit> grr
2020-12-02 22:13 <Ubit> Xengine has issues with if()
2020-12-02 22:13 <Ubit> needs a full compare
2020-12-02 22:13 <Ubit> old thing
2020-12-02 22:13 <djphil> Okay okay :o
2020-12-02 22:13 <Ubit> ( may work on same cases.. or not.. )
2020-12-02 22:13 <djphil> :p
2020-12-02 22:14 <djphil> Ok, thanks
2020-12-02 22:14 <Ubit> y does if(something) as expect
2020-12-02 22:14 <Ubit> not X
2020-12-02 22:14 <djphil> ok, understood :)
2020-12-02 22:30 <osmantis> Bug #8826:04 Alpha mode on BoM body changes to "none" from masking or alpha when HG hopping (even if no mod). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8826 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-03 01:56 <osmantis> Bug #8826:04 Alpha mode on BoM body changes to "none" from masking or alpha when HG hopping (even if no mod). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8826 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-03 01:59 <osmantis> Bug #8826:04 Alpha mode on BoM body changes to "none" from masking or alpha when HG hopping (even if no mod). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8826 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-03 12:06 <Ubit> vivox more under full unity control
2020-12-03 12:07 <Ubit> " I am writing now to notify you that Vivox has been integrated into the Unity suite of products and will no longer operate independently."
2020-12-03 12:13 <Tampa> Which says... nothing really does it what happens with the opensim service
2020-12-03 12:14 <Ubit> free opensim accs was a publicity move
2020-12-03 12:14 <Ubit> don't think unity is on that
2020-12-03 19:43 <Ubit> sl is down or my router is lazy again?
2020-12-03 19:45 <djphil> webiste ok, wiki ok, 3d world ok ... all work
2020-12-03 19:46 <Ubit> yr luck :)
2020-12-03 19:46 <Ubit> working for me now also
2020-12-03 19:47 <djphil> good! :)
2020-12-04 04:40 -!- Aramis^(~Aramis^@c-66-229-179-38.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has left #opensim-dev
2020-12-04 14:04 <osmantis> Bug #8366:04 Attached scripts lose all state on first hypergrid jump 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8366 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-04 15:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #7411 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-04 15:09 <Ubit> and ofc i forgot to runprebuild :p
2020-12-04 15:13 <Ubit> 16:10:34 - [REGION GRID CONNECTOR]: enabled in Grid mode
2020-12-04 15:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7411: SUCCESS in 6 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7411/
2020-12-04 15:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: merge LocalGridServicesConnector and LemoteGridServicesConnector into just RegionGridServicesConnector, with more clear code path and less useless modules loading. runprebuild and note the need changes in config-include files
2020-12-04 15:18 <Ubit> LemoteGridServicesConnector ?? gezzz RemoteGridServicesConnector !
2020-12-04 16:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #7412 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-04 16:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7412: SUCCESS in 5 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7412/
2020-12-04 16:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove duplicated call
2020-12-04 18:46 <osmantis> Bug #8826:04 Alpha mode on BoM body changes to "none" from masking or alpha when HG hopping (even if no mod). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8826 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-04 19:15 <osmantis> Bug #8826:04 Alpha mode on BoM body changes to "none" from masking or alpha when HG hopping (even if no mod). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8826 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-04 20:31 <osmantis> Bug #8826:04 Alpha mode on BoM body changes to "none" from masking or alpha when HG hopping (even if no mod). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8826 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-05 15:08 <djphil> OSCC started @ Keynote ;-)
2020-12-05 15:13 <djphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxrEJN3uY_U
2020-12-05 23:50 <djphil> osList2Double is removed from master ? or no implemented ?
2020-12-05 23:50 <djphil> i can't compile the exemple script ...
2020-12-05 23:52 <Ubit> lsl does not have double
2020-12-05 23:53 <djphil> well why this exemple script then and why this function ?
2020-12-05 23:53 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsList2Double
2020-12-05 23:53 <djphil> can i move it to depreciate ?
2020-12-05 23:53 <Ubit> yeah no idea why it is there
2020-12-05 23:54 <djphil> lol :)
2020-12-05 23:54 <djphil> ok il will move it out
2020-12-05 23:56 <Ubit> but float type is a double lol
2020-12-05 23:56 <djphil> What should I do then? :o
2020-12-05 23:57 <Ubit> that is not in code
2020-12-05 23:58 <Ubit> public LSL_Float llList2Float(LSL_List src, int index)
2020-12-05 23:58 <Ubit> does exactly the same bc lsl float is a double already
2020-12-05 23:58 <Ubit> well a waste. but details
2020-12-05 23:58 <djphil> Be careful because I will move it to feature request then :p
2020-12-05 23:59 <Ubit> well not in code.. so can't be there :)
2020-12-05 23:59 <djphil> Hehe, Ubit takes no risk ^^
2020-12-06 00:01 <djphil> I'm going to put this in the wiki requests because it's not really deprecated since it's never been in the code
2020-12-06 00:02 <djphil> i mean there http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OSSL_Proposals somewhre ...
2020-12-07 03:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #7413 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-07 03:10 <Ubit> grrr
2020-12-07 12:04 <thoys> didn't like that build to succeed ? :)
2020-12-07 15:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #7414 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-07 15:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7414: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7414/
2020-12-07 15:40 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: temporary(?) fix
2020-12-07 15:40 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: SanitizeXml() go back to previus potencially heavy code, still needed, until a lighter method is created
2020-12-07 19:53 <osmantis> Bug #8821:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osNpcSendIM 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8821 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-07 19:54 <osmantis> Bug #8822:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osNpcGiveItem 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8822 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-07 19:58 <osmantis> Bug #8823:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] problem with llSetContentType in OpenSimulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8823 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-07 20:14 <osmantis> Bug #8823:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] problem with llSetContentType in OpenSimulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8823 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-07 20:23 <osmantis> Bug #8823:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] problem with llSetContentType in OpenSimulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8823 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-07 20:33 <Tampa> So between September and now the changes seem to have broken useragentservice connections between grids
2020-12-07 20:33 <Tampa> master can no longer connect to older version from two months ago
2020-12-07 21:00 <osjenkins> Starting build #7415 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-07 21:04 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7415: SUCCESS in 3 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7415/
2020-12-07 21:04 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: SanitizeXml() save a few ns
2020-12-07 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #8821:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osNpcSendIM 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8821 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-12-07 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #8821:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osNpcSendIM 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8821 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-12-07 21:11 <osmantis> Bug #8822:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osNpcGiveItem 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8822 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-12-07 21:43 <osmantis> Bug #8823:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] problem with llSetContentType in OpenSimulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8823 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-12-08 11:21 <osmantis> Bug #8823:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] problem with llSetContentType in OpenSimulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8823 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-08 11:23 <djphil> hehe interesting :)
2020-12-08 11:23 <Ubit> more bs
2020-12-08 11:23 <djphil> bs ?
2020-12-08 11:23 <Ubit> bull shit
2020-12-08 11:23 <djphil> hahaha
2020-12-08 11:24 <djphil> But yeah, is true
2020-12-08 11:24 <Ubit> and the new bs headers can tell more about the user that user-agent ever did
2020-12-08 11:25 <Ubit> ..than..
2020-12-08 11:25 <djphil> but why osSetContentType worl without problem ?
2020-12-08 11:25 <djphil> work*
2020-12-08 11:25 <Ubit> by spec only internal viewer can get anything other than text
2020-12-08 11:26 <Ubit> since internal viewers are noe chrome.. no user-agent header
2020-12-08 11:26 <djphil> os work fine with internal browser and fine too with external (in my case chrome by default)
2020-12-08 11:26 <Ubit> so all see as external
2020-12-08 11:27 <Ubit> issue is the formating
2020-12-08 11:27 <Ubit> no formating on type text
2020-12-08 11:27 <djphil> I have no issue with os on external browser
2020-12-08 11:27 <Ubit> YES you have sily
2020-12-08 11:27 <Ubit> No formating
2020-12-08 11:27 <Ubit> like you shown on the pics
2020-12-08 11:28 <Ubit> no bold.. etc etc
2020-12-08 11:28 <djphil> i have no problem with bold, italic etc ... i have tested
2020-12-08 11:29 <Ubit> duuuhh that was the report
2020-12-08 11:29 <Ubit> bold gone on opensim
2020-12-08 11:29 <djphil> with lsl yes
2020-12-08 11:29 <djphil> but with ossl it work
2020-12-08 11:29 <Ubit> and what are we talking about?? gezz
2020-12-08 11:30 <djphil> lsl and ossl
2020-12-08 11:30 <Ubit> bc ossl violates that rule
2020-12-08 11:30 <Ubit> and should not
2020-12-08 11:30 <djphil> ok
2020-12-08 11:30 <djphil> that cool :)
2020-12-08 11:31 <Ubit> by ll spec and for sec reasons only internal viewers should get some content type
2020-12-08 11:32 <Ubit> external ones, only text
2020-12-08 11:32 <djphil> I can understand that
2020-12-08 11:32 <Ubit> well that fails
2020-12-08 11:32 <Ubit> current code does not get info about the brower
2020-12-08 11:32 <Ubit> so all external
2020-12-08 11:32 <djphil> And that ossl allow to have in addition axterne webbrowser is great
2020-12-08 11:32 <Ubit> that is silly
2020-12-08 11:33 <Ubit> who made that ignored the security issues ll did found
2020-12-08 11:33 <Ubit> well i cand fix this crap
2020-12-08 11:33 <Ubit> specially if the hints are only sent on https
2020-12-08 11:34 <Ubit> ( ie brower information )
2020-12-08 11:34 <djphil> I hope you will not delete the external browser because it is very useful
2020-12-08 11:35 <Ubit> all are seen as external now :p
2020-12-08 11:35 <Ubit> so only content type text
2020-12-08 11:35 <djphil> i have tested only content text brut, html and json
2020-12-08 11:35 <Ubit> what is the ossl one?
2020-12-08 11:36 <djphil> ossl is freedom :)
2020-12-08 11:37 <Ubit> or irresponsability
2020-12-08 11:37 <Ubit> whatever
2020-12-08 11:37 <djphil> Fortunately Ossl exists, without oosl I would be terribly frustrated
2020-12-08 11:37 <djphil> But I also understand your security concern of course
2020-12-08 11:39 <Ubit> yeah osSetContentType
2020-12-08 11:39 <Ubit> is stupid without any checks
2020-12-08 11:40 <Ubit> sure CheckThreatLevel(ThreatLevel.Severe
2020-12-08 11:40 <Ubit> but all will just enable it
2020-12-08 11:40 <Ubit> so silly
2020-12-08 11:41 <Ubit> prims are not http servers!!! gezz
2020-12-08 11:41 <djphil> lol
2020-12-08 11:44 <djphil> Threat level Severe is already a good limitation of use no ?
2020-12-08 11:44 <Ubit> no
2020-12-08 11:44 <Ubit> all will go enable it
2020-12-08 11:44 <djphil> mom tel
2020-12-08 11:44 <Ubit> many ppl just enables all ossl
2020-12-08 11:44 <Ubit> clever scripters tell them to do so
2020-12-08 11:45 <Ubit> The threat level was upgraded to Severe as of commit #2c2b887c8a on December 11, 2018.
2020-12-08 11:45 <Ubit> lol started as not severe :)
2020-12-08 11:50 <djphil> back
2020-12-08 19:01 <Ubit> hmm issues with dev outreach ?
2020-12-08 19:03 <Ubit> wel hurliman plaza it is
2020-12-08 19:06 <djphil> Yeah it looks like there is a problem with DevOutreach, I can't join it
2020-12-08 19:06 <Ubit> wel hurliman plaza it is  <---
2020-12-08 19:06 <djphil> Look, i'mm already thre :p
2020-12-08 19:07 <Ubit> :)
2020-12-08 20:39 <Plugh> Meeting log posted.
2020-12-08 20:39 <Ubit> ty
2020-12-08 20:40 <Plugh> yw
2020-12-08 20:40 <Plugh> Nor for play time with the cat.
2020-12-08 20:40 <Plugh> bbl.
2020-12-08 20:41 <Plugh> Nor -> Now
2020-12-08 20:41 <Ubit> :)
2020-12-09 02:46 <Psi-Jack> Oh wow, people! they live!
2020-12-09 13:48 <osjenkins> Starting build #7416 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-09 13:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7416: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7416/
2020-12-09 13:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: allow osStopSound to work on more than one prim Acording to provided LINK_* paramenter
2020-12-09 14:28 <Ubit> paramenter yeah sure
2020-12-09 14:29 <djphil> Yeah, that cool :)
2020-12-09 14:30 <Ubit> kinda updated wiki
2020-12-09 14:31 <djphil> Ha yes, i see LINK_SET now :)
2020-12-09 14:40 <djphil> I'm going to change a bit more, because loops sound twice on the same sound is a bit strange. I will add soundName_1, soundName_2 ... it will make more sense
2020-12-09 14:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #7417 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-09 14:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7417: SUCCESS in 3 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7417/
2020-12-09 14:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: several changes to lsl http urlmodule; X-SecondLife-Region change is in global coords not grid, etc, mantis 8823 sould be fixed at least untly next viewers changes
2020-12-09 14:55 <Ubit> untly ??
2020-12-09 15:01 <osmantis> Bug #8823:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] problem with llSetContentType in OpenSimulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8823 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-09 15:05 <djphil> regin ?? :p
2020-12-09 15:05 <djphil> Ubit the cat
2020-12-09 15:05 <Ubit> that i can edit 
2020-12-09 15:05 <Ubit> :)
2020-12-09 15:31 <Psi-Jack> Is is more-or-less-likely that opensim-dev would cause more TP failures due to bugs, or router latency? And likewise, at login, not connecting to vivox voice, though client sending capability of it, but not fully connecting and getting the sip channel from the region server arriving in?
2020-12-09 15:32 <Ubit> who can tell about unreported bugs..
2020-12-09 15:33 <Psi-Jack> Eh, I might just need to roll up a new build, it's several months old now.
2020-12-09 15:33 <Ubit> idea is to improve thins
2020-12-09 15:34 <Psi-Jack> Indeed. :)
2020-12-09 15:34 <Ubit> things
2020-12-09 15:34 <Ubit> and some should be a bit better
2020-12-09 15:34 <Ubit> vivox code is almost the same
2020-12-09 15:35 <Psi-Jack> It's just this version we're running now, has random TP issues, where they try to TP to another region, and it communicates to the region initiating the transfer, but then never do so, and they timeout, and have to relog as their viewer's cached the timeout as if it were permanent for the session.
2020-12-09 15:35 <Ubit> vivox suport for opensim is Zero.. if not negative now
2020-12-09 15:35 <Psi-Jack> Oh?
2020-12-09 15:36 <Ubit> they refused to provide me any information to update servers code
2020-12-09 15:36 <Psi-Jack> Ohhhh... So there may be continuing issues with that moving forward?
2020-12-09 15:36 <Ubit> "what you have is fine.. we have no info to give you"
2020-12-09 15:37 <Psi-Jack> Or more, your milliage may varry sort of thing? heh
2020-12-09 15:37 <Ubit> we (and) sl are using a outdated vivox (versions 4..)  current vivox is versions >=5
2020-12-09 15:38 <Ubit> substancially diferent
2020-12-09 15:38 <Ubit> they denied me access to their dev portal also
2020-12-09 15:38 <Ubit> those you have it see no information about v4...
2020-12-09 15:39 <Ubit> those who..
2020-12-09 15:39 <Psi-Jack> Wow.
2020-12-09 15:40 <Ubit> meanwhile vivox is not just a product of unity
2020-12-09 15:40 <Ubit> all the free accounts vivox gave as promotion.. who knows
2020-12-09 15:41 <Ubit> like someone said at oscc they may walk around and see old boxes running giving them no $ and just kill them
2020-12-09 15:42 <Psi-Jack> heh
2020-12-09 15:42 <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I think, we're one of those free accounts. :/
2020-12-09 15:42 <Ubit> comercial opensim grids should had payed them
2020-12-09 15:42 <Ubit> but nahhh went for the free ride
2020-12-09 15:42 <Ubit> at least those
2020-12-09 15:43 <Ubit> if they seen some $ falling in from opensim, they could be more happy helping..
2020-12-09 15:44 <Psi-Jack> Well, that kinda gives me a headsup on the vivox concerns. Any thoughts about the teleport issues I described by chance?
2020-12-09 15:44 <Ubit> network weather :p
2020-12-09 15:44 <Psi-Jack> heh
2020-12-09 15:45 <Ubit> tps have several time constrained thigs
2020-12-09 15:45 <Ubit> that can easy timeout
2020-12-09 15:45 <Psi-Jack> The guy running the hardware for our grid is using a Linkcrap EA4500 as a router, and considering my recommendation of a new Ubiquity EdgeRouter to replace it for routing.
2020-12-09 15:45 <Psi-Jack> I'm trying to help make sure that's not in vane. :)
2020-12-09 15:45 <Ubit> and what grid is that?
2020-12-09 15:45 <Ubit> :)
2020-12-09 15:45 <Psi-Jack> Counter Earth Grid.
2020-12-09 15:45 <Ubit> ok
2020-12-09 15:46 <Ubit> vivox is lets say 95% viewer side
2020-12-09 15:47 <Psi-Jack> Community non-profit type grid, but we have 126 regions online, a good lot low-prim land spaces for travel.
2020-12-09 15:47 <Psi-Jack> Right. :)
2020-12-09 15:47 <Ubit> regions only create accounts.. and parcels/global channels 
2020-12-09 15:47 <Psi-Jack> I've seen the region logs for vivox SIP.
2020-12-09 15:47 <Ubit> then its mostly viewer
2020-12-09 15:48 <Ubit> private ims are all viewer things
2020-12-09 15:48 <Psi-Jack> When I notice the voice doesn't connect, I see the capability flag from the viewer report, but then never push/request the vivox sip channel from the region. Resetting voice, kicks it to work.
2020-12-09 15:48 <Ubit> private voice chat i mean
2020-12-09 15:49 <Ubit> p2p with vivox side control
2020-12-09 15:50 <Ubit> ie to create channels do invites.. etc
2020-12-09 15:50 <Ubit> i see those totally fail for me now
2020-12-09 15:52 <osmantis> Bug #8823:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] problem with llSetContentType in OpenSimulator 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8823 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-09 15:53 <Ubit> you are using direct master code?
2020-12-09 15:53 <Psi-Jack> P2P fails for me, always, but most of the time has for Linux viewers.
2020-12-09 15:54 <Psi-Jack> I am using a git checkout of the master code... b929a2, don't off-hand know the full git hashtag.
2020-12-09 15:54 <Ubit> master can be broken
2020-12-09 15:55 <Psi-Jack> Indeed.
2020-12-09 15:55 <Ubit> need to be carefull guessing its state
2020-12-09 15:55 <Ubit> sometimes we do see it and say on commits
2020-12-09 15:55 <Ubit> others.. well ;)
2020-12-09 15:56 <Psi-Jack> I'm actually trying to find where my last build code actually is. I've re-installed my system since last I did it, but that should still be in-tact.
2020-12-09 15:56 <Ubit> :)
2020-12-09 15:57 <Psi-Jack> b929a2004542db3628d5e7392c3b6ab13f4ea913 heh
2020-12-09 15:59 <Ubit> 13sep
2020-12-09 16:00 <Psi-Jack> Yep, sounds right.
2020-12-09 16:00 <djphil> sorry , i have no ssl here for testing
2020-12-09 16:00 <Ubit> np
2020-12-09 16:00 <thoys> Whats the difference between using Vivox and the alternative?
2020-12-09 16:00 <Ubit> vivox works ( when it does )
2020-12-09 16:01 <Ubit> :p
2020-12-09 16:01 <Psi-Jack> Hah
2020-12-09 16:01 <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I believe for one, spacial distancing works better too?
2020-12-09 16:01 <Ubit> some tell fresw stopped working for them
2020-12-09 16:01 <Psi-Jack> If at all.
2020-12-09 16:01 <Ubit> freesw has no 3d
2020-12-09 16:01 <Psi-Jack> Yeah, it's sim-wide, as I thought.
2020-12-09 16:02 <Psi-Jack> region-wide.
2020-12-09 16:02 <Ubit> ima is working a updating mumble
2020-12-09 16:02 <djphil> :)
2020-12-09 16:02 <Ubit> promissed me it 3 years ago :)
2020-12-09 16:02 <Psi-Jack> LOL
2020-12-09 16:02 <djphil> arfff
2020-12-09 16:02 <Ubit> but also did run into troubles
2020-12-09 16:02 <thoys> I wonder if this could be an opportunity to use High fidelity's audio mixer. They did provide seperate servers for the audio and the 3d voice is great.
2020-12-09 16:02 <Ubit> so are remaking it
2020-12-09 16:03 <Ubit> HifI things where closed source
2020-12-09 16:03 <Ubit> and had centerlized control
2020-12-09 16:03 <thoys> how do you mean? It is still on github
2020-12-09 16:03 <Ubit> well i didn't found such servers ther
2020-12-09 16:04 <Ubit> nahh mixer etc was closed source
2020-12-09 16:04 <thoys> the codec is
2020-12-09 16:04 <thoys> the rest is open
2020-12-09 16:04 <Ubit> see hifi opensource model was like sl
2020-12-09 16:04 <Ubit> only parts to get free dev where opensource
2020-12-09 16:05 <Ubit> the central things that do control the business where NOT
2020-12-09 16:05 <Ubit> ( like sl servers )
2020-12-09 16:05 <Ubit> same "clever" use of opensource
2020-12-09 16:05 <thoys> have you tried https://vircadia.com or https://tivolicloud.com/ ? They're still using the same core code
2020-12-09 16:06 <Ubit> ie work for us free :p
2020-12-09 16:06 <Ubit> and voice servers are no light things
2020-12-09 16:07 <thoys> true
2020-12-09 16:07 <Ubit> if ppl do the math, pay vivox maybe a lot cheaper
2020-12-09 16:09 <Ubit> don't see sources on that https://vircadia.com
2020-12-09 16:10 <Ubit> tivoly does have a github
2020-12-09 16:11 <Ubit> avx512? yeack
2020-12-09 16:12 <djphil> https://github.com/vircadia
2020-12-09 16:12 <Ubit> ty
2020-12-09 16:13 <djphil> tested, need more love .. :)
2020-12-09 16:13 <Ubit> i bet
2020-12-09 16:13 <djphil> is hifi i think ...
2020-12-09 16:14 <Ubit> and avx512 even avx2 ?
2020-12-09 16:14 <Ubit> not all boxes have that still
2020-12-09 16:14 <Ubit> not the ebay old servers ppl have under the beds running grids
2020-12-09 16:15 <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. I'm trying to remember how to actually compile opensim-dev, with the current mono versions, with the money server that we use which is just basic stuff, we only have a virtual economy for fun.
2020-12-09 16:15 <Ubit> guess ppl need to rent a i7/i9 class server
2020-12-09 16:15 <Ubit> well some xeons do have it also
2020-12-09 16:16 <Ubit> hmm avx512 did show up on xeons first i think
2020-12-09 16:17 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Build_Instructions :p
2020-12-09 16:20 <Ubit> and c++ absurd viral gplv3
2020-12-09 16:21 <Ubit> think we just can't use that on opensim
2020-12-09 16:23 <thoys> Tivoli: https://git.tivolicloud.com/tivolicloud/interface Vircadia: https://github.com/kasenvr/project-athena
2020-12-09 16:24 <Ubit> well gplv3 makes it useless
2020-12-09 16:24 <Ubit> that last one seems apache
2020-12-09 16:25 <thoys> project athena is apache licenced
2020-12-09 16:25 <Ubit> well they can't change original lic
2020-12-09 16:25 <Ubit> if it was gpl
2020-12-09 16:25 <thoys> it was apache
2020-12-09 16:25 <Ubit> ok
2020-12-09 16:25 <djphil> Vircadia is here too :) https://github.com/Misterblue?tab=repositories
2020-12-09 16:26 <Ubit> MB :p
2020-12-09 16:26 <djphil> :p
2020-12-09 16:26 <thoys> hes famous?
2020-12-09 16:26 <Ubit> one of us lol
2020-12-09 16:26 <thoys> :o 
2020-12-09 16:27 <Ubit> made bullet physics module etc
2020-12-09 16:27 <Ubit> there -> misterblue
2020-12-09 16:27 <Ubit> rl break
2020-12-09 16:28 <Ubit> mb you can talk him into extracting that voice for opensim use
2020-12-09 16:28 <Ubit> since he played with it :)
2020-12-09 16:28 <Psi-Jack> heh
2020-12-09 16:28 <Psi-Jack> Man, I got a topic going. LOL
2020-12-09 18:04 <osjenkins> Starting build #7418 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-09 18:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7418: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7418/
2020-12-09 18:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few changes to lsl http headers
2020-12-09 18:28 <osmantis> Bug #8829:04 MONEY NSL XMLRPC 0.9.2Dev Error connecting with NSL money server. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8829 ): La siguiente incidencia ha sido ENVIADA.
2020-12-09 18:29 <osmantis> Bug #8829:04 MONEY NSL XMLRPC 0.9.2Dev Error connecting with NSL money server. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8829 ): La siguiente incidencia ha sido ACTUALIZADA.
2020-12-09 18:31 <osmantis> Bug #8829:04 MONEY NSL XMLRPC 0.9.2Dev Error connecting with NSL money server. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8829 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-09 18:38 <osmantis> Bug #8829:04 MONEY NSL XMLRPC 0.9.2Dev Error connecting with NSL money server. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8829 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-12-09 18:39 <osmantis> Bug #8829:04 MONEY NSL XMLRPC 0.9.2Dev Error connecting with NSL money server. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8829 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-09 18:42 <osmantis> Bug #8829:04 MONEY NSL XMLRPC 0.9.2Dev Error connecting with NSL money server. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8829 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-12-09 18:45 <osmantis> Bug #8829:04 MONEY NSL XMLRPC 0.9.2Dev Error connecting with NSL money server. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8829 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-09 19:00 <osmantis> Bug #8829:04 MONEY NSL XMLRPC 0.9.2Dev Error connecting with NSL money server. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8829 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-12-09 19:06 <osmantis> Bug #8829:04 MONEY NSL XMLRPC 0.9.2Dev Error connecting with NSL money server. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8829 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-09 19:25 <osmantis> Bug #8829:04 MONEY NSL XMLRPC 0.9.2Dev Error connecting with NSL money server. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8829 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-12-09 19:27 <osmantis> Bug #8829:04 MONEY NSL XMLRPC 0.9.2Dev Error connecting with NSL money server. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8829 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-09 19:30 <osmantis> Bug #8829:04 MONEY NSL XMLRPC 0.9.2Dev Error connecting with NSL money server. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8829 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-09 19:31 <osmantis> Bug #8829:04 MONEY NSL XMLRPC 0.9.2Dev Error connecting with NSL money server. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8829 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2020-12-09 19:34 <osmantis> Bug #8829:04 MONEY NSL XMLRPC 0.9.2Dev Error connecting with NSL money server. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8829 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-09 19:35 <osmantis> Bug #8829:04 MONEY NSL XMLRPC 0.9.2Dev Error connecting with NSL money server. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8829 ): La siguiente incidencia ha sido RESUELTA.
2020-12-09 19:54 <Psi-Jack> Is there any difference compiling opensim with mono 6.8.x on openSUSE, for an Ubuntu 20.04 server running mono 6.8.0? hmmmm
2020-12-09 19:55 <Ubit> should not.. but it is linux.. who knows :p
2020-12-09 19:56 <Psi-Jack> Heh, I think last time I built it, it was from Ubuntu 20.04 using 6.10 or 6.12, deployed, however to mono 6.7
2020-12-09 19:56 <Psi-Jack> 6.8*
2020-12-09 19:57 <Psi-Jack> Ahh yeah, 6.12, got it in my chat history about it. LOL
2020-12-09 19:58 <Ubit> should not comp on a version and run on a older
2020-12-09 19:58 <Ubit> the opposite should be a lot more safe.. 
2020-12-09 19:58 <Psi-Jack> Ahhhhh... I suppose that could make sense. So, likely better I do this anyway.
2020-12-09 19:59 <Ubit> it is a generic software rule :)
2020-12-09 20:05 <Psi-Jack> Hmm, and runprebuild19 vs runprebuild? vs2019 vs vs2015?
2020-12-09 20:06 <Ubit> runprebuild19 was a test
2020-12-09 20:06 <Ubit> does work but no need
2020-12-09 20:07 <Psi-Jack> No? Okay. Thank you.
2020-12-09 20:07 <Ubit> well there because it does work for those with vs2019 etc
2020-12-09 20:14 <Ubit> also mono 6.8 is not a match for vs2019 i think
2020-12-09 20:14 <Psi-Jack> Ahhh.
2020-12-09 20:14 <Ubit> not sure what mono is.. mb last 6.12 .. no idea
2020-12-09 20:15 <Psi-Jack> Seems like neither is msbuild, at the moment, despite being told xbuild is deprecated. LOL
2020-12-09 20:15 <Ubit> msbuild works
2020-12-09 20:15 <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.. I guess msbuild is just lacking, then, in openSUSE's mono repos.
2020-12-09 20:16 <Ubit> on wiki i kinda recomend to get mono from ms site now
2020-12-09 20:16 <Psi-Jack> Well, mono-project doesn't have openSUSE specific packages, everything but, in fact.
2020-12-09 20:16 <Ubit> https://www.mono-project.com/download/stable/#download-lin
2020-12-09 20:17 <Ubit> wel now that is 6.12.0.90
2020-12-09 20:17 <Psi-Jack> Heh yeah. And, like I said, nothing for openSUSE. :)
2020-12-09 20:17 <Psi-Jack> openSUSE, however, packages 6.8 themselves.
2020-12-09 20:54 <Psi-Jack> Huh, new build is failing to actually run due to: 15:51:38 - Fatal error: System.Exception: No IGridService available. This could happen if the config_include folder doesn't exist or if the OpenSim.ini [Architecture]: section isn't set.  Please also check that you have the correct version of your inventory service dll.  Sometimes old versions of this dll will still exist.  Do a clean checkout and re-create the opensim.ini from the 
2020-12-09 20:54 <Psi-Jack> opensim.ini.example.
2020-12-09 20:55 <Psi-Jack> 
ACTION tilts his head.

2020-12-09 21:09 <Psi-Jack> Ahhhh, GridStandalone.ini changes.
2020-12-09 21:19 <Psi-Jack> AssetServices "HGAssetBroker" -> "RegionAssetConnector", and GridServices "RemoteGridServicesConnector" -> "RegionGridServicesConnector"
2020-12-09 21:30 <Psi-Jack> So, this is still a problem. Vehicle rezzed from HUD object, vanishes when trying to cross sim border. Rez vehicle yourself from object to ground, ride it, it can.
2020-12-09 21:31 <Psi-Jack> Script-rezzed from HUD object, mind you.
2020-12-09 22:13 <Psi-Jack> Hmm, would there be any benefit to moving some PrivatePort stuff to each individual ports, like groups, presence, etc?
2020-12-09 22:57 <djphil> opensimulator.org dead
2020-12-10 00:22 <Psi-Jack> Indeed, still dead.
2020-12-10 00:43 <Tampa> Someone needs to cronjob a reboot @daily
2020-12-10 00:44 <Psi-Jack> What? Why? The server running Windows or something? :p
2020-12-10 01:22 -!- Aramis^(~Aramis^@c-66-229-179-38.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has left #opensim-dev
2020-12-10 01:30 <snik> howdy all, hows everyone, today?
2020-12-10 07:39 <osmantis> Bug #8800:04 [MAPTILES] Image of lower quality regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8800 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-10 08:03 <osmantis> Bug #8800:04 [MAPTILES] Image of lower quality regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8800 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-10 13:37 <osmantis> Bug #8800:04 [MAPTILES] Image of lower quality regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8800 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-10 13:55 <osmantis> Bug #8800:04 [MAPTILES] Image of lower quality regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8800 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-10 14:32 <osmantis> Bug #8800:04 [MAPTILES] Image of lower quality regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8800 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-10 14:53 <djphil> @ Ubit for oar see IM
2020-12-10 14:56 <Ubit> ty
2020-12-10 17:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #7419 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-10 17:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7419: SUCCESS in 5 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7419/
2020-12-10 17:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8800: update warp3d.dll; fix export-map
2020-12-10 17:24 <osmantis> Bug #8800:04 [MAPTILES] Image of lower quality regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8800 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-10 19:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #7420 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-10 19:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7420: SUCCESS in 4 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7420/
2020-12-10 19:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update warp3d.dll
2020-12-10 20:43 <osmantis> Bug #8800:04 [MAPTILES] Image of lower quality regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8800 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-12-10 23:01 <djphil> Yeah cool https://www.firestormviewer.org/
2020-12-10 23:25 <Ubit> dammm
2020-12-10 23:25 <Ubit> now we need to release
2020-12-10 23:27 <Plugh> Something just happened in the world of FS? 
2020-12-10 23:27 <Plugh> 
ACTION goes to look

2020-12-10 23:31 <djphil> Apparently win10 must also be up to date for the latest FS (the latest service pack)
2020-12-10 23:32 <djphil> I still have to try, not yet tested
2020-12-10 23:33 <djphil> Ok, forgot what I just said, someone who has an old win 10 told me that
2020-12-10 23:50 <Ubit> all new things want all rest updated
2020-12-10 23:50 <Ubit> win.. gpu drivers.. all that
2020-12-10 23:51 <djphil> i have installed just now, without problem
2020-12-10 23:51 <Ubit> i will, not now.. still on the beta from a few days ago
2020-12-10 23:52 <Ubit> let me break map a bit more :)
2020-12-10 23:52 <djphil> find the assets of my aor would interest me more
2020-12-10 23:53 <Ubit> ohh it is the same version of that beta
2020-12-10 23:53 <djphil> i have tested on my local grid and found missing asset too :(
2020-12-10 23:53 <Ubit> 62831
2020-12-10 23:53 <Ubit> yeah, something bad on that oar/region
2020-12-10 23:53 <djphil> yes is 62831
2020-12-10 23:54 <djphil> just removed "beta" :s
2020-12-10 23:58 <osmantis> Bug #8800:04 [MAPTILES] Image of lower quality regions 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8800 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-11 00:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #7421 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-11 00:15 <Ubit> duhh im a cloud at sl 
2020-12-11 00:15 <Ubit> another "uplift" issue?
2020-12-11 00:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7421: SUCCESS in 3 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7421/
2020-12-11 00:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update warp3d.dll; let prims have a bit higher LOD
2020-12-11 00:17 <Ubit> well can also be my router.. 
2020-12-11 00:20 <Ubit> nopes it was not the router
2020-12-11 00:25 <Ubit> The viewer supports the new OpenSim 0.9.2 with EEP, code-named “Ugly Sky.”
2020-12-11 00:25 <Ubit> hihihi
2020-12-11 01:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #7422 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-11 01:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7422: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7422/
2020-12-11 01:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops get my trees back on map (warp3d.dll)
2020-12-11 05:06 <djphil> Haaaa  Santa Claus arrived on the osgrid website :)
2020-12-11 13:10 <osmantis> Bug #8830:04 [Materials] m_changed incompatible with delayedDelete 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8830 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-12-11 14:41 <cslcm> Question: If an LSL implementation in Opensim is "correct" but doesn't match SL, is this a pass or fail?
2020-12-11 15:49 <Ai_Austin> The automated GitHub Actions facility to combine the Firestkrm release code with Peter Kappler's VR Mod addons has been updated to use Visual Studio 2019 as required and appears to work well on tests today. @HumbleTim on GitHub is preparing a release and it should be available soon.
2020-12-11 15:55 <cslcm> Ai_Austin - where can i find that?
2020-12-11 16:04 <Ai_Austin> coming soon @cslcm.. just needs to be packaged for the Artifacts release area.  The previous version 6.4.5 is there at the moment. https://github.com/humbletim/firestorm-gha/releases
2020-12-11 16:04 <Ai_Austin> There will be a blog post with all the details as soon as its ready. 
2020-12-11 16:38 <cslcm> awesomesauce
2020-12-11 19:40 <osmantis> Bug #8830:04 [PATCH][Materials] m_changed incompatible with delayedDelete 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8830 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-12-11 19:45 <osmantis> Bug #8831:04 [PATCH] Implement llXorBase64 and refactor llXorBase64Strings and llXorBase64StringsCorrect so that they appropriately match SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8831 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-12-11 20:38 <osmantis> Bug #8830:04 [PATCH][Materials] m_changed incompatible with delayedDelete 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8830 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-11 20:54 <osmantis> Bug #8830:04 [PATCH][Materials] m_changed incompatible with delayedDelete 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8830 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-11 21:44 <osmantis> Bug #8830:04 [PATCH][Materials] m_changed incompatible with delayedDelete 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8830 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-11 21:50 <osmantis> Bug #8830:04 [PATCH][Materials] m_changed incompatible with delayedDelete 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8830 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-11 21:53 <osmantis> Bug #8830:04 [PATCH][Materials] m_changed incompatible with delayedDelete 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8830 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-11 21:55 <osmantis> Bug #8830:04 [PATCH][Materials] m_changed incompatible with delayedDelete 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8830 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-12 00:04 <Ubit> dan remember what needs to change on mariadb to use 3bytes utf8?
2020-12-12 00:04 <Ubit> i always forget ... ofc
2020-12-12 00:11 <diva> ubit can you point me to the mantis that describes the mysql problem?
2020-12-12 00:12 <Ubit> remember several, didn't found the exact one :(
2020-12-12 00:12 <Ubit> others the oposite, ppl tring to use chars that are not present on 3bytes
2020-12-12 00:13 <Ubit> so we do need to mk this work on 4bytes
2020-12-12 00:13 <Ubit> utf8mb3 will be removed
2020-12-12 00:20 <diva> yes, I'm reading that. It seems the default character set of mysql is supposed to be latin1, but in debiam they do it utf8mb4
2020-12-12 00:21 <Ubit> old mysql used 3bytes utf8 .. whatever that is
2020-12-12 00:22 <diva> I don't think think we ever specified it
2020-12-12 00:22 <diva> I think we took whatever default mysql has
2020-12-12 00:23 <diva> but now it seems the default has changed, at least in some linux distros
2020-12-12 00:23 <Ubit> yes
2020-12-12 00:23 <Ubit> all moving to mb4
2020-12-12 00:23 <diva> I'm putting it back to the default to see what happens
2020-12-12 00:23 <Ubit> and ssl on by default also
2020-12-12 00:25 <Ubit> going back see what id the offending table
2020-12-12 00:28 <diva> commenting the character encoding lines didn't help
2020-12-12 00:31 <Ubit> guess some need to be there?
2020-12-12 00:37 <diva> no good. it looks like the setting to utf8mb4 is set in stone even is I change it to latin1, it doesn't work
2020-12-12 00:37 <Ubit> gezz
2020-12-12 00:37 <cslcm> default character set of mysql has been utf8mb4 since 5.5 btw
2020-12-12 00:38 <Ubit> so you are back to opensim crash diva?
2020-12-12 00:38 <diva> yeah, I can't get past the GridUserStore problem
2020-12-12 00:38 <Ubit> lol the small UUI 
2020-12-12 00:39 <diva> mysql --version
2020-12-12 00:39 <diva> oops
2020-12-12 00:39 <Ubit> ok try to change that entry
2020-12-12 00:39 <Ubit> np idea how to do
2020-12-12 00:39 <diva> what entry?
2020-12-12 00:39 <Ubit> but change UUI to latin
2020-12-12 00:40 <Ubit> no idea the mysql comands :p
2020-12-12 00:40 <Ubit> wait let me see the table
2020-12-12 00:42 <Ubit> yeah change the all GridUser table to latin
2020-12-12 00:42 <Ubit> nothing there needs utf8
2020-12-12 00:43 <diva> but the table isn't even created
2020-12-12 00:43 <diva> I guess I can create it by hand
2020-12-12 00:43 <diva> how do I choose the character set for it?
2020-12-12 00:43 <Ubit> ohh it is the migrations
2020-12-12 00:44 <Ubit> yeaj that table is part of my recent changes
2020-12-12 00:45 <Ubit> 0.9.2 will create it latin
2020-12-12 00:45 <Ubit> CREATE TABLE `GridUser` (
2020-12-12 00:45 <Ubit> ) ENGINE=InnoDB DEFAULT CHARSET=latin1;
2020-12-12 00:46 <Ubit> well get 0.9.1.1 source and change that
2020-12-12 00:46 <diva> om, let me try creatingthat table manually
2020-12-12 00:47 <Ubit> i don't tell 0.9.2  bc a ton of changes.
2020-12-12 00:47 <Ubit> sql on the pvt :)
2020-12-12 00:48 <Ubit> err need change on the migrations also to 2
2020-12-12 00:48 <Ubit> on the migrations table
2020-12-12 01:27 <diva> ubit why is there an empty migration on griduser table?
2020-12-12 01:27 <Ubit> no idea i just changed that
2020-12-12 01:27 <diva> :VERSION 2         # -------------------------- 
2020-12-12 01:27 <diva> BEGIN;
2020-12-12 01:27 <diva> COMMIT;
2020-12-12 01:27 <Ubit> added latin
2020-12-12 01:28 <diva> ok that command worked for creatin gthe table
2020-12-12 01:28 <Ubit> should ask to one Dvia..
2020-12-12 01:29 <diva> is it my commit?
2020-12-12 01:29 <Ubit> yeap
2020-12-12 01:29 <Ubit> guess to update the version
2020-12-12 01:29 <Ubit> you added 2 with TOS
2020-12-12 01:29 <Ubit> then removed TOS
2020-12-12 01:30 <diva> !
2020-12-12 01:30 <diva> ok, well, I'm rolling again. for now.I guess there is this workaround until we have 0.9.2
2020-12-12 01:30 <Ubit> git blame is so nasty ;)
2020-12-12 01:30 <Ubit> well we do have 0.9.2
2020-12-12 01:31 <Ubit> in between my bugs
2020-12-12 01:31 <diva> let's try to do a release this christmas
2020-12-12 01:31 <Ubit> dunno i keep breaking it
2020-12-12 01:31 <Ubit> and there should be some "bugs fix" only period
2020-12-12 01:32 <Ubit> with a osgrid release on it, running
2020-12-12 01:37 <diva> Ubit do you remember if Robust/OpenSim have a command line option for specifying the log file?
2020-12-12 01:37 <diva> --log or whatever
2020-12-12 01:38 <Ubit> think that is on a config file there
2020-12-12 01:39 <Ubit> robust.exe.config
2020-12-12 01:39 <Ubit>    <appender name="LogFileAppender" type="log4net.Appender.FileAppender">
2020-12-12 01:39 <Ubit>       <file value="Robust.log" />
2020-12-12 01:43 <Ubit> there is one argument
2020-12-12 01:43 <Ubit>  // Check for a Log4Net config file on the command line
2020-12-12 01:43 <Ubit>                 logConfig =startupConfig.GetString("logconfig", logConfig);
2020-12-12 02:02 <diva> wweird it's still not writing to the right log file after I used this undocumented logconfig var
2020-12-12 02:04 <Ubit> try the --logconfing filename
2020-12-12 02:04 <Ubit> im just not sure the file format
2020-12-12 02:04 <diva> Is that supposed to be pointing to a file like Robust.exe.config?
2020-12-12 02:04 <Ubit> possible robust.exe.config without the .net things?
2020-12-12 02:05 <Ubit> buy default i reads from it on same folder as the exe ?
2020-12-12 02:06 <diva> Unknown command line option: '--logconfig'
2020-12-12 02:07 <Ubit> duhh that only has log4net things
2020-12-12 02:07 <diva> yeah
2020-12-12 02:07 <Ubit> well code is 
2020-12-12 02:07 <Ubit> logConfig =startupConfig.GetString("logconfig", logConfig);
2020-12-12 02:08 <diva> yeah, it ought to work
2020-12-12 02:09 <Ubit> duhh
2020-12-12 02:09 <Ubit> its on [startup]
2020-12-12 02:09 <diva> that's where I placed it
2020-12-12 02:10 <Ubit>          argvConfig.AddSwitch("Startup", "logconfig", "g");
2020-12-12 02:10 <Ubit> should be argument also
2020-12-12 02:10 <Ubit>            ArgvConfigSource argvConfig = new ArgvConfigSource(args);
2020-12-12 02:10 <Ubit>             argvConfig.AddSwitch("Startup", "console", "c");
2020-12-12 02:10 <Ubit>             argvConfig.AddSwitch("Startup", "logfile", "l");
2020-12-12 02:10 <Ubit>             argvConfig.AddSwitch("Startup", "inifile", "i");
2020-12-12 02:10 <Ubit>             argvConfig.AddSwitch("Startup", "prompt",  "p");
2020-12-12 02:10 <Ubit>             argvConfig.AddSwitch("Startup", "logconfig", "g");
2020-12-12 02:10 <Ubit> oh a log file also
2020-12-12 02:11 <Ubit>     if (m_logFileAppender != null && startupConfig != null)
2020-12-12 02:11 <Ubit>             {
2020-12-12 02:11 <Ubit>                 string cfgFileName = startupConfig.GetString("LogFile", null);
2020-12-12 02:11 <Ubit>                 if (cfgFileName != null)
2020-12-12 02:11 <Ubit>                 {
2020-12-12 02:11 <Ubit>                     m_logFileAppender.File = cfgFileName;
2020-12-12 02:11 <Ubit>                     m_logFileAppender.ActivateOptions();
2020-12-12 02:11 <Ubit>                 }
2020-12-12 02:12 <Ubit> so ok --logfile should work
2020-12-12 02:12 <diva> this doesn't work either -logfile=xxx.log
2020-12-12 02:12 <diva> 2 --?
2020-12-12 02:12 <diva> nope, didn't work
2020-12-12 02:13 <Ubit> yeah it didn't
2020-12-12 02:16 <Ubit> gezz we are noobs
2020-12-12 02:17 <Ubit> good no one is looking :p
2020-12-12 02:17 <Ubit> -logfile=filename
2020-12-12 02:18 <Ubit> duhhh
2020-12-12 02:18 <diva> ?
2020-12-12 02:19 <diva> what am I missing?
2020-12-12 02:19 <Ubit> -logfile= should work
2020-12-12 02:20 <diva> but I did that
2020-12-12 02:20 <Ubit> but guess i see a bug
2020-12-12 02:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #7423 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-12 02:22 <Ubit> in windows it is -logfile=filename
2020-12-12 02:23 <diva> and linux?
2020-12-12 02:23 <Ubit> same should work i guess
2020-12-12 02:23 <Ubit> try the change on this last commit
2020-12-12 02:24 <diva> capitalization..?
2020-12-12 02:24 <Ubit> yeah
2020-12-12 02:24 <diva> ok, I don't want to have to compile OS just for this. I'll wait for 0.9.2
2020-12-12 02:25 <diva> (on the grid I'm setting up)
2020-12-12 02:25 <Ubit> 92 has changes on the ini files etc
2020-12-12 02:25 <Ubit> well should be readable on the inis :)
2020-12-12 02:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7423: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7423/
2020-12-12 02:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: robust: change detection of option logfile
2020-12-12 02:26 <Ubit> and the wifi issue
2020-12-12 02:27 <Ubit> think ai did test wifi after that change i made on griduser and it kinda worked, just reverting my change
2020-12-12 02:27 <Ubit> on the overides
2020-12-12 02:28 <Ubit> so depends on how urgent is that grid
2020-12-12 02:28 <diva> I need to set it up asap, but I can upgrade opensim later
2020-12-12 02:30 <Ubit> with 92 it is possible more fights due to code changes :(
2020-12-12 02:32 <diva> ok logfile in the ini [Startup] works!
2020-12-12 02:32 <diva> I added bot logfile and LogFile for good measure :)
2020-12-12 02:32 <Ubit> Log works then :)
2020-12-12 02:33 <Ubit> this thing should be case insen..
2020-12-12 02:33 <diva> interestingly, it now creates bth Robust.log and my oter log file
2020-12-12 02:33 <Ubit> lol
2020-12-12 02:33 <Ubit> let me check mine
2020-12-12 02:34 <Ubit> with comand line. only the one i asked
2020-12-12 02:34 <Ubit> opos no
2020-12-12 02:34 <Ubit> lol
2020-12-12 02:34 <diva> ah, Robust.log only has a couple of lines. I guess until it finds out that it should be using the other
2020-12-12 02:34 <Ubit> 2020-12-12 02:33:59,359 INFO  (1) - OpenSim.Framework.Servers.ServerBase [SERVER BASE]: Starting in D:\Avination\testsim\bin
2020-12-12 02:35 <Ubit> 2020-12-12 02:33:59,369 INFO  (1) - OpenSim.Framework.Servers.ServerBase [SERVER BASE]: OpenSimulator version: OpenSim 0.9.2.0 Yeti Dev   
2020-12-12 02:35 <Ubit> 2020-12-12 02:33:59,369 INFO  (1) - OpenSim.Framework.Servers.ServerBase [SERVER BASE]: Operating system version: Microsoft Windows NT 6.2.9200.0, .NET platform Win32NT, 64-bit
2020-12-12 02:35 <Ubit> yeap
2020-12-12 02:35 <diva> ok good enough
2020-12-12 02:35 <Ubit> it stores things Before reading the config?
2020-12-12 02:35 <diva> apparenlty
2020-12-12 02:36 <Ubit> well robust never gets much love
2020-12-12 02:36 <Ubit>  LogEnvironmentInformation();
2020-12-12 02:36 <Ubit>             RegisterCommonAppenders(Config.Configs["Startup"]);
2020-12-12 02:41 <diva> crap
2020-12-12 02:41 <diva> same problem with os_groups
2020-12-12 02:42 <diva> ugh
2020-12-12 02:42 <diva> did you fix it in 92?
2020-12-12 02:43 <diva> I see you did
2020-12-12 02:43 <diva> ok, time to eat. I'll fix this later
2020-12-12 02:45 <Ubit> damm still creates robust.log
2020-12-12 02:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #7424 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-12 02:52 <Ubit> it still opens robust.log and guess opensim.log yeack
2020-12-12 02:52 <Ubit> but should close fast..
2020-12-12 02:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7424: SUCCESS in 4 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7424/
2020-12-12 02:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do not start log before knowing where to log
2020-12-12 02:54 <Ubit> guess XmlConfigurator.Configure(); does it
2020-12-12 02:55 <Ubit> bc it sees it on the config file
2020-12-12 03:01 <Ubit> well sleep time here :)
2020-12-12 13:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #7425 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-12 13:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7425: SUCCESS in 5 min 7 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7425/
2020-12-12 13:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a texture needed for uglysky
2020-12-12 14:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #7426 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-12 14:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7426: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7426/
2020-12-12 14:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix another texture needed for uglysky
2020-12-12 17:32 <osmantis> Bug #8832:04 Watchdog timeouts freeze and lag server and console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8832 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-12-12 17:51 <osmantis> Bug #8833:04 Same Avatar can login multiple times in the same HG if it TPs to any other HG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8833 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-12-12 17:52 <osmantis> Bug #8833:04 Same Avatar can login multiple times in the same HG if it TPs to any other HG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8833 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-12 18:06 <diva> thanks, Ubit! :)
2020-12-12 18:08 <Ubit> :)
2020-12-12 19:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #7427 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-12 19:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7427: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7427/
2020-12-12 19:34 <osjenkins> Alicia Raven: initial commit of experimental Estate config file (Estate.ini) allowing new simulators to create estates from ini file and bypass command prompts. (funding provided by Zetamex Network)
2020-12-12 20:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #7428 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-12 20:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7428: SUCCESS in 5 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7428/
2020-12-12 20:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
2020-12-13 06:52 <djphil> Wouldn't it be better to put "osListenRegex" function in the "String" section earlier than in the "Prim" section?
2020-12-13 07:00 <djphil> Too late, it's moved :p
2020-12-13 08:32 <osmantis> Bug #8832:04 Watchdog timeouts freeze and lag server and console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8832 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-13 08:37 <osmantis> Bug #8831:04 [PATCH] Implement llXorBase64 and refactor llXorBase64Strings and llXorBase64StringsCorrect so that they appropriately match SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8831 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-13 09:13 <osmantis> Bug #8832:04 Watchdog timeouts freeze and lag server and console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8832 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-13 11:52 <osmantis> Bug #8832:04 Watchdog timeouts freeze and lag server and console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8832 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-13 11:55 <osmantis> Bug #8832:04 Watchdog timeouts freeze and lag server and console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8832 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-13 12:17 <osmantis> Bug #8833:04 Same Avatar can login multiple times in the same HG if it TPs to any other HG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8833 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-13 13:03 <osmantis> Bug #8833:04 Same Avatar can login multiple times in the same HG if it TPs to any other HG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8833 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-13 13:04 <osmantis> Bug #8832:04 Watchdog timeouts freeze and lag server and console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8832 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-13 13:21 <osmantis> Bug #8831:04 [PATCH] Implement llXorBase64 and refactor llXorBase64Strings and llXorBase64StringsCorrect so that they appropriately match SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8831 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-13 14:19 <osmantis> Bug #8831:04 [PATCH] Implement llXorBase64 and refactor llXorBase64Strings and llXorBase64StringsCorrect so that they appropriately match SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8831 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-13 14:22 <osmantis> Bug #8831:04 [PATCH] Implement llXorBase64 and refactor llXorBase64Strings and llXorBase64StringsCorrect so that they appropriately match SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8831 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-13 14:27 <osmantis> Bug #8831:04 [PATCH] Implement llXorBase64 and refactor llXorBase64Strings and llXorBase64StringsCorrect so that they appropriately match SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8831 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-13 15:02 <osmantis> Bug #8831:04 [PATCH] Implement llXorBase64 and refactor llXorBase64Strings and llXorBase64StringsCorrect so that they appropriately match SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8831 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-13 16:45 <osmantis> Bug #8831:04 [PATCH] Implement llXorBase64 and refactor llXorBase64Strings and llXorBase64StringsCorrect so that they appropriately match SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8831 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-13 16:54 <osmantis> Bug #8831:04 [PATCH] Implement llXorBase64 and refactor llXorBase64Strings and llXorBase64StringsCorrect so that they appropriately match SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8831 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-13 16:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #7429 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-13 17:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7429: SUCCESS in 16 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7429/
2020-12-13 17:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8831: add a version of llXorBase64 a bit based on the patch. kept the other as they are so to no break opensim scripts possible based on them. Thanks CasperWarden
2020-12-13 17:30 <osmantis> Bug #8831:04 [PATCH] Implement llXorBase64 and refactor llXorBase64Strings and llXorBase64StringsCorrect so that they appropriately match SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8831 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-13 17:57 <osmantis> Bug #8831:04 [PATCH] Implement llXorBase64 and refactor llXorBase64Strings and llXorBase64StringsCorrect so that they appropriately match SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8831 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-13 18:19 <osmantis> Bug #8831:04 [PATCH] Implement llXorBase64 and refactor llXorBase64Strings and llXorBase64StringsCorrect so that they appropriately match SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8831 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-13 18:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #7430 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-13 18:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7430: SUCCESS in 3 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7430/
2020-12-13 18:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few changes to llXorBase64 and llXorBase64StringsCorrect
2020-12-13 18:44 <osmantis> Bug #8831:04 [PATCH] Implement llXorBase64 and refactor llXorBase64Strings and llXorBase64StringsCorrect so that they appropriately match SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8831 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-13 19:52 <osmantis> Bug #8831:04 [PATCH] Implement llXorBase64 and refactor llXorBase64Strings and llXorBase64StringsCorrect so that they appropriately match SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8831 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-12-13 19:53 <osmantis> Bug #8831:04 [PATCH] Implement llXorBase64 and refactor llXorBase64Strings and llXorBase64StringsCorrect so that they appropriately match SL 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8831 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-12-13 22:43 <diva> Ubit when I run FS on 0.9.1.1 the colors are really weird, a bit dark. Is this because the new FS needs 0.9.2?
2020-12-13 22:44 <Ubit> should not
2020-12-13 22:44 <Ubit> never noticed that
2020-12-13 22:45 <Ubit> but it may process WL settings a bit dif
2020-12-13 22:45 <Ubit> just you can't edit env with it on 0.9.1.1
2020-12-13 22:45 <diva> Look: https://imagebin.ca/v/5keDJRxC7U65
2020-12-13 22:46 <Ubit> yeah strange.. never noticed
2020-12-13 22:46 <Ubit> shadows level 2 high?
2020-12-13 22:47 <diva> Sun/Moon
2020-12-13 22:47 <diva> I didn't change the setting from what I had before I upgraded FS
2020-12-13 22:48 <Ubit> it may do some wl settings a bit dif from original..
2020-12-13 22:49 <diva> oh I found one setting that fixes it, on a new button Personal Lighting
2020-12-13 22:49 <diva> -> Ambient was almost black
2020-12-13 22:49 <Ubit> that changes to you own settings
2020-12-13 22:49 <diva> making it lighter makes it all work well again
2020-12-13 22:50 <Ubit> where on shared before?
2020-12-13 22:50 <diva> ?
2020-12-13 22:51 <Ubit> world->env_use shared uses the region one
2020-12-13 22:51 <Ubit> world->env->use shared uses the region one
2020-12-13 22:51 <Ubit> on personal you can tune for your viewer only
2020-12-13 22:51 <diva> oh i see, if I set it to shared, it becomes dark again
2020-12-13 22:52 <diva> hmm. How can I fix this?
2020-12-13 22:52 <diva> I want to use shared, but I want it to be light
2020-12-13 22:52 <diva> I never fiddled with Windlight settings
2020-12-13 22:52 <Ubit> hmm lbsa ambient is also dark grey
2020-12-13 22:53 <Ubit> but looks kinda ok
2020-12-13 22:53 <Ubit> rgb 89 89 89
2020-12-13 22:53 <diva> where?
2020-12-13 22:53 <diva> is that a setting in OpenSim ini?
2020-12-13 22:53 <Ubit> i looking to lbsa setting
2020-12-13 22:53 <Ubit> no
2020-12-13 22:53 <Ubit> it is assets now
2020-12-13 22:54 <AliciaRaven> hi diva :)
2020-12-13 22:54 <Ubit> that you can't see on 0.9.1.1 ofc
2020-12-13 22:55 <Ubit> it is closed to hg no?
2020-12-13 22:57 <Ubit> now i kinda only remember how old viewer sees wl on 0.9.2  :)
2020-12-13 22:57 <Ubit> 0.9.2 internal env is 0.9.2
2020-12-13 22:58 <Ubit> does convert to wl for older viewers
2020-12-13 22:58 <Ubit> but that is mostly diferent llsd xml encoding
2020-12-13 23:02 <Ubit> yeah ambient is exactly data
2020-12-13 23:03 <diva> but do you know what I need to do on the server side to make this like it was before?
2020-12-13 23:03 <Ubit> can edit those things
2020-12-13 23:04 <Ubit> guess need to go with personal settings
2020-12-13 23:04 <diva> what things? (tha's my question)
2020-12-13 23:04 <Ubit> can't edit i mean
2020-12-13 23:04 <Ubit> enviroment settings
2020-12-13 23:04 <Ubit> the new fs UI is for eep
2020-12-13 23:05 <Ubit> you can use a alt on older viewer
2020-12-13 23:05 <diva> ok, maybe I"m not explaining. I changed nothing on the server settings or on the client settings. The previous version of FS looks fine; the new version looks dark.
2020-12-13 23:05 <Ubit> and adjust WL so it looks was you need on new fs
2020-12-13 23:05 <diva> I have WL = false on the server
2020-12-13 23:06 <diva> should I put it true?
2020-12-13 23:06 <Ubit> why is it false?
2020-12-13 23:06 <diva> I never cared to use it
2020-12-13 23:06 <diva> I didn't even know exactly what it was
2020-12-13 23:06 <Ubit> and hope you do not use lightshare
2020-12-13 23:06 <Ubit> bc that is gone
2020-12-13 23:06 <diva> I have this:
2020-12-13 23:06 <diva> [LightShare]
2020-12-13 23:06 <diva>     ;# {enable_windlight} {} {Enable LightShare technology?} {true false} false
2020-12-13 23:06 <diva>     ;; This enables the transmission of Windlight scenes to supporting clients,
2020-12-13 23:06 <diva>     ;; such as the Meta7 viewer.
2020-12-13 23:06 <diva>     ;; It has no ill effect on viewers which do not support server-side
2020-12-13 23:06 <diva>     ;; windlight settings.
2020-12-13 23:06 <diva>     ; enable_windlight = false
2020-12-13 23:07 <Ubit> on enable it
2020-12-13 23:07 <Ubit> ok..
2020-12-13 23:08 <Ubit> we had a udp thing called lightshare
2020-12-13 23:08 <Ubit> that did the update env on viewer
2020-12-13 23:08 <Ubit> that udp is gone
2020-12-13 23:09 <diva> so this [LightShare] section is garbage?
2020-12-13 23:09 <diva> I don't see any other configs for Windlight
2020-12-13 23:09 <Ubit> that is 0.9.1.1. so still a feature
2020-12-13 23:10 <Ubit> and you need it to log with a older viewer to tune env
2020-12-13 23:10 <diva> I never touched anything related to environment server side, and things worked well
2020-12-13 23:10 <Ubit> well now the region may have no wl set
2020-12-13 23:11 <diva> how can I set it? Is it with this setting on LightShare?
2020-12-13 23:11 <Ubit> yeah but other viewer..
2020-12-13 23:11 <diva> I'm confused. what other viewer?
2020-12-13 23:11 <Ubit> restart region and see what disaster zone does it look like
2020-12-13 23:12 <Ubit> you are using a viewer you never used before..
2020-12-13 23:13 <Ubit> well possible to that case, best is use a normal WL one
2020-12-13 23:13 <Ubit> like fs 6.0.2
2020-12-13 23:13 <Ubit> 6.3.x does crash editing mesh
2020-12-13 23:17 <Ubit> duhh we do ship windlight as false on 0.9.1.1
2020-12-13 23:17 <Ubit> dangg
2020-12-13 23:17 <Ubit> it was basicly useless back then
2020-12-13 23:18 <diva> yeah, that's what I'm saying, I never touched anything related to env
2020-12-13 23:18 <Ubit> so what happened with it on?
2020-12-13 23:18 <diva> no good
2020-12-13 23:18 <diva> still dark
2020-12-13 23:18 <Ubit> have the older fs?
2020-12-13 23:18 <diva> yes, 1 sec
2020-12-13 23:19 <Ubit> i can tell the story as i learned it "recently" :)
2020-12-13 23:20 <diva> totally different
2020-12-13 23:20 <Ubit> ok try change something on the wl settings with it
2020-12-13 23:21 <diva> hmm wait
2020-12-13 23:21 <Ubit> minor 
2020-12-13 23:21 <Ubit> just so it does "things"
2020-12-13 23:21 <diva> no, actually it's the same if I set it to shared env
2020-12-13 23:22 <diva> this is really odd
2020-12-13 23:22 <Ubit> ahh so its the region setting
2020-12-13 23:22 <diva> what an ugly thing!
2020-12-13 23:23 <Ubit> it is yr region :p
2020-12-13 23:23 <Ubit> think you can load settings from xml things
2020-12-13 23:24 <diva> I'm giving up entirely on this. I'm going to use client side. Don't have time to figure this out
2020-12-13 23:24 <Ubit> midday was my normal setting most the time :)
2020-12-13 23:24 <Ubit> you can hg out?
2020-12-13 23:24 <diva> yes
2020-12-13 23:25 <Ubit> go lbsa
2020-12-13 23:25 <diva> what's the address?
2020-12-13 23:25 <Ubit> http://hg.osgrid.org on map
2020-12-13 23:27 <diva> it's much better here!
2020-12-13 23:27 <diva> how do they do it?
2020-12-13 23:27 <Ubit> heck why isn't hg doing its things
2020-12-13 23:28 <Ubit> well dan may have logs off
2020-12-13 23:28 <Ubit> gave you 2 boxes that should cause hg transfer of some assets
2020-12-13 23:28 <Ubit> that new viewers may need
2020-12-13 23:29 <diva> what do I do with these assets?
2020-12-13 23:29 <Ubit> nothing :)
2020-12-13 23:30 <Ubit> viewers may ask for them automaticly
2020-12-13 23:30 <Ubit> that includes midday enviroment for example
2020-12-13 23:30 <Ubit> ( unless fs had decided to ship it back with viewer again )
2020-12-13 23:31 <Ubit> the boxes only have scripts with uuids
2020-12-13 23:31 <Ubit> to trigger the HG assets transfer
2020-12-13 23:32 <diva> i see
2020-12-13 23:32 <Ubit> at least other betas did need those
2020-12-13 23:33 <Ubit> name uglysky cames from what i seen without clouds asset :p
2020-12-13 23:33 <Ubit> gezz no one asked for the story
2020-12-13 23:33 <Ubit> :p
2020-12-13 23:34 <diva> there's something really wrong
2020-12-13 23:34 <Ubit> that was from a oar?
2020-12-13 23:35 <Ubit> well with old fs try change to another fixed sky
2020-12-13 23:35 <Ubit> that looks ok
2020-12-13 23:36 <Ubit> ok going tell the story anyway :p
2020-12-13 23:37 <Ubit> old viewers only had local enviroment settings
2020-12-13 23:37 <Ubit> at a point ppl could save as a xml file
2020-12-13 23:37 <Ubit> and sharing was only via sharing the files
2020-12-13 23:38 <Ubit> then ppl did for opensim ( meta7?) a lludp protocol
2020-12-13 23:38 <Ubit> that did sent region stored settings to the viewers
2020-12-13 23:38 <Ubit> that was lightshare..
2020-12-13 23:39 <Ubit> then ll decided to have proper region store
2020-12-13 23:39 <Ubit> and ( with other changes ) added wl and its owm protocol
2020-12-13 23:39 <Ubit> opensim just added that protocol and blind region side storage
2020-12-13 23:40 <Ubit> so 0.9.1.1 has both.. in paralell
2020-12-13 23:40 <Ubit> ocasionally doing a mess :p
2020-12-13 23:40 <diva> what is blind ?
2020-12-13 23:40 <Ubit> just store and retrieve
2020-12-13 23:41 <diva> when was the protocol added? Just nbow in 0.9.2?
2020-12-13 23:41 <Ubit> the wl ages ago
2020-12-13 23:41 <diva> but where are thos esettings?
2020-12-13 23:41 <Ubit> no efford was done to integrate it with our lightshare
2020-12-13 23:42 <Ubit> if you edit env on old viewer, it should update region with both..
2020-12-13 23:43 <Ubit> 0.9.2 now only uses WL and EEP protocols
2020-12-13 23:43 <Ubit> and only one storage in EEP formats
2020-12-13 23:44 <Ubit> well guess several grids will want 0.9.2 now :p
2020-12-13 23:44 <diva> I still don't understand where the WL settings are supposed to be
2020-12-13 23:44 <Ubit> ops i no longer have older fs
2020-12-13 23:45 <Ubit> world region enviroment
2020-12-13 23:45 <djphil> One thing I have seen with EEP, the moon and the sun always rise and set in the west. When you use the keyboard shortcuts ctrl + alt + x and ctrl + alt + y, moon and sun rise and fall. always lie in the west, which is not very realistic.
2020-12-13 23:46 <Ubit> they do not
2020-12-13 23:47 <djphil> Yet he does ...
2020-12-13 23:47 <djphil> Do i have to make a video to show you :p
2020-12-13 23:48 <Ubit> not on mine
2020-12-13 23:48 <djphil> Use shortcuts
2020-12-13 23:49 <Ubit> sure not alt duu
2020-12-13 23:49 <Ubit> yeap one at east other west
2020-12-13 23:50 <Ubit> (cntr + shift + N or U
2020-12-13 23:50 <djphil> 01ctrl + alt + x and ctrl + alt + y01
2020-12-13 23:50 <Ubit> no
2020-12-13 23:50 <Ubit> it is shidt
2020-12-13 23:50 <Ubit> shift
2020-12-13 23:51 <Ubit> on fs
2020-12-13 23:51 <Ubit> no idea what those alt do
2020-12-13 23:52 <Ubit> app nothing
2020-12-13 23:54 <Ubit> how is that going diva ?
2020-12-13 23:55 <diva> I gave up on shared env
2020-12-13 23:55 <Ubit> ok
2020-12-13 23:57 <Ubit> but yeack ppl wil have issues.. ut then older grids should use viewers of their generation
2020-12-13 23:57 <diva> I'm hoping this will magically go away when I update to 0.9.2
2020-12-13 23:57 <Ubit> i could had shown a region with some eep :)
2020-12-13 23:58 <diva> In any case, I plan to distribute a VM to the students, with the viewer properly installed and configured
2020-12-13 23:59 <Ubit> ok
2020-12-13 23:59 <diva> ok, my grid is all set up. Now for raiding content out there. I hope OSCC has oars available somewhere
2020-12-13 23:59 <Ubit> damm i deleted 6.0.2 by mistake, was still 2 soon to remove it
2020-12-14 00:00 <Ubit> guess that region did got old enviroment from oar
2020-12-14 00:00 <djphil> Well I just tested and it seems fixed. He no longer wanders now. And I also see that the transition has disappeared, it changes immediately without transition. And yes you're right it's Shit not Alt
2020-12-14 00:01 <Ubit> fs added a transition option somewhere
2020-12-14 00:01 <Ubit> viewer side only
2020-12-14 00:02 <Ubit> those transitions are ugly most the time
2020-12-14 00:02 <Ubit> see the sun and moon moving all over the sky.. gezz
2020-12-14 00:03 <djphil> ha, I will look for that then because it is maybe when the transition is activated that the problem appears ...
2020-12-14 00:05 <djphil> Yes, the direction of rotation during the transition is very random and sorely lacking in realism
2020-12-14 00:07 <djphil> I tested this with arrows prims and llGetRegionSunRotation, llGetRegionMoonRotation, llGetRegionSunDirection, llGetRegionMoonDirection ... and the arrows go crazy, they spin in all directions
2020-12-14 00:07 <Ubit> don't your scripts usually do that?
2020-12-14 00:07 <Ubit> :p
2020-12-14 00:08 <djphil> Maybee the function ... yeah but, It seems that if we move the possition too quickly it will choose the direction of rotation according to the smallest distance to travel to reach the destination point.
2020-12-14 00:10 <Ubit> wl did linear interpolation or sun
2020-12-14 00:10 <Ubit> eep does slerp
2020-12-14 00:10 <djphil> There is a mysterious calculation somewhere ...
2020-12-14 00:10 <Ubit> i know :p
2020-12-14 00:10 <djphil> Ha you recognize :)
2020-12-14 00:11 <Ubit> i kinda made it, region side
2020-12-14 00:11 <djphil> Fix possible ?
2020-12-14 00:12 <Ubit> yeah im sure you will fix your scripts, eventually
2020-12-14 00:12 <Ubit> :p
2020-12-14 00:12 <djphil> Arfff ^^
2020-12-14 00:12 <Ubit> :)
2020-12-14 00:13 <djphil> I will show it to you but first I need you for something else
2020-12-14 00:13 <Ubit> btw diva on new fs, fixed sunrise, sunset midday and midnight work fine?
2020-12-14 00:13 <diva> yes
2020-12-14 00:13 <Ubit> those assets included those
2020-12-14 00:14 <Ubit> but meanwhile fs may had added them back to the viewer, so possible not that needed now
2020-12-14 00:14 <djphil> And diva found where we can turn transitions on / off?
2020-12-14 00:15 <diva> what transitions, djphil?
2020-12-14 00:15 <Ubit> nm diva :)
2020-12-14 00:15 <Ubit> ( i actually didn't found the option )
2020-12-14 00:16 <Ubit> ( there is a transition time between 2 enviroment settings.. during that time viewers do a ugly interpolation diva )
2020-12-14 00:17 <djphil> Transition is gradual displacement of the sun.moon position Diva, unlike immediate graduation, without transition
2020-12-14 00:17 <diva> where do I set that?
2020-12-14 00:17 <djphil> Hehe i search too, Ubit say is a option somewhere ^^
2020-12-14 00:18 <Ubit> possible in debug settings
2020-12-14 00:18 <Ubit> FSEnvironmentManualTransitionTime: Timespan for blending between day/water/sky settings when manually changed. 0 is immediate.
2020-12-14 00:19 <Ubit> default is 0 cool
2020-12-14 00:19 <djphil> Noooo
2020-12-14 00:19 <Ubit> it is only on manual :(
2020-12-14 00:19 <djphil> But maybe it is 0 because otherwise it bug ...
2020-12-14 00:20 <Ubit> region triggered ones ll did hardcode the time
2020-12-14 00:21 <Ubit> works fine
2020-12-14 00:21 <Ubit> and damm ugly
2020-12-14 00:21 <djphil> you know the shortcit to get debug windows ?
2020-12-14 00:21 <Ubit> just use the menu
2020-12-14 00:22 <Ubit> and look there it tells the shortcut
2020-12-14 00:22 <djphil> hihi, i search, i search
2020-12-14 00:22 <Ubit> on advanced :p
2020-12-14 00:23 <djphil> found, thanks
2020-12-14 00:23 <Ubit> damm change to shared does transition
2020-12-14 00:23 <diva> Ubit what's the console command for showing the prims?
2020-12-14 00:24 <Ubit> what prims?
2020-12-14 00:24 <djphil> and with transition, the sun/moon bug is présent
2020-12-14 00:24 <diva> on the server console
2020-12-14 00:24 <djphil> sun and moon rise on the same side
2020-12-14 00:25 <Ubit> help objects ?
2020-12-14 00:27 <djphil> So they got around the problem by disabling the transitions ... it's a shame to lose the transitions :s
2020-12-14 00:28 <Ubit> it worked fine with transition of 2s
2020-12-14 00:28 <djphil> i have set to 3, will try with 2
2020-12-14 00:29 <Ubit> and stop pressing alt it is shift!
2020-12-14 00:29 <djphil> Oue! Has changed things on the region lol
2020-12-14 00:30 <djphil> No difference with 2, bug is present ...
2020-12-14 00:31 <Ubit> well not on my fs 
2020-12-14 00:32 <Ubit> see the sun crossing the sky to the other side
2020-12-14 00:32 <djphil> Boy you're right once again :) wow cool now
2020-12-14 00:32 <djphil> I guess I tested too fast again
2020-12-14 00:33 <Ubit> well works better with fs actually selected.. duhh
2020-12-14 00:33 <djphil> Try with  x, y + ctrl+shift
2020-12-14 00:34 <Ubit> stop inventing shortcuts :p
2020-12-14 00:34 <Ubit> ok midday/night
2020-12-14 00:35 <Ubit> so bad the transistions
2020-12-14 00:35 <Ubit> specially flying over a parce
2020-12-14 00:36 <Ubit> it starts changing ans we already did flown out the parcel
2020-12-14 00:36 <Ubit> ( yes my test parcels are small )
2020-12-14 00:36 <djphil> yeap, midday, midnight with transition of 2.0sec is wrong
2020-12-14 00:37 <Ubit> made me set that again
2020-12-14 00:37 <Ubit> and looks fine
2020-12-14 00:39 <djphil> Even if I'm wrong with the shortcuts, I wasn't wrong about the sunrise / sunset and moon setting (which is bad)
2020-12-14 00:39 <djphil> u / n is ok but x / y is not ok
2020-12-14 00:39 <Ubit> look fine to me
2020-12-14 00:40 <Ubit> not fine is mooon damm silly ll  i want my moon BACK :(
2020-12-14 00:40 <djphil> It's unbelievable mdrrr change the settings at home in real time or what ???
2020-12-14 00:41 <Ubit> wel that is viewer side only
2020-12-14 00:41 <Ubit> if broken file a fs jira :p
2020-12-14 00:41 <Ubit> damm lindens.. never seen a rl moon? gezz
2020-12-14 00:42 <Ubit> city milenium kids :p
2020-12-14 00:42 <djphil> Ok, I think I figured out how to cause the problem
2020-12-14 00:42 <djphil> Arff difficult to explain it in English for me
2020-12-14 00:44 <Ubit> guess beq will be hidding for months now
2020-12-14 00:45 <djphil> After using u / n if you used y / x it works fine
2020-12-14 00:45 <djphil> EXCEPT if you allow time for Y to arrive at 12 p.m. up in the sky
2020-12-14 00:45 <djphil> Then if you use x / y then the problem appears.
2020-12-14 00:46 <Ubit> not going to set transition again now
2020-12-14 00:46 <Ubit> i want to 0 so.. cool ;)
2020-12-14 00:47 <djphil> Yeah 0 hides the problem :p
2020-12-14 00:48 <Ubit> and the ugly transition :p
2020-12-14 00:48 <djphil> i love sweet transition ...
2020-12-14 00:50 <djphil> Diva, forgive me if I interrupted your discussion with Ubit ;)
2020-12-14 00:50 <djphil> I have done now :)
2020-12-14 00:50 <Ubit> guess diva i doing something else for a long time now :)
2020-12-14 00:57 <diva> yeah, don't worry
2020-12-14 00:57 <diva> I'm trying to find oars
2020-12-14 00:57 <diva> I htought the OSCC stage was available, but I can't find it
2020-12-14 00:57 <Ubit> ohh found on singu where to change env
2020-12-14 00:57 <Ubit> it is env editor
2020-12-14 00:57 <Ubit> guess identical on old fs
2020-12-14 00:58 <djphil> the keynote oar is available somewhere i think
2020-12-14 00:59 <diva> that's what I thougt, but Google isn't helping me
2020-12-14 00:59 <Ubit> oops my sky is red now
2020-12-14 00:59 <diva> I found the breakout room and the landing zone
2020-12-14 00:59 <djphil> my second name is google :)
2020-12-14 00:59 <djphil> https://github.com/AvaCon/OARS
2020-12-14 00:59 <diva> yeah. That convention center is not the same
2020-12-14 01:00 <djphil> I don't know any other ... but if you find, tell me
2020-12-14 01:01 <djphil> oscc conference center here
2020-12-14 01:01 <djphil> http://www.nebadon2025.com/oars/
2020-12-14 01:04 <diva> ah! Thank you!
2020-12-14 01:04 <djphil> breakout/landing and conference available :)
2020-12-14 01:04 <djphil> Ha cool :)
2020-12-14 01:05 <Ubit> gezz no idea how one did edit env on old singu :)
2020-12-14 01:08 <Ubit> ahh didi it lol
2020-12-14 01:08 <Ubit> ok.. in world there is edit enviroment
2020-12-14 01:09 <Ubit> we need click new to mk a new name.. 
2020-12-14 01:09 <Ubit> then edit.. and save
2020-12-14 01:10 <Ubit> to apply to region, we go region, enviroment, fixed sky and that preset is there.. select it and apply
2020-12-14 01:10 <Ubit> eep viewer did got it also on 0.9.2
2020-12-14 01:10 <Ubit> will not on 0.9.1.1 :(
2020-12-14 01:11 <Ubit> need to tp out and back
2020-12-14 01:11 <Ubit> ( the env change notification was via lightshare )
2020-12-14 01:12 <Ubit> but guess one of the settings that do show up on fixed sky list is fine
2020-12-14 01:12 <Ubit> or to have it change with time, on dayclycle
2020-12-14 01:13 <Ubit> opos day cycle hours don't match gezz
2020-12-14 01:39 <Ubit> ok setting fixed sky with 6.0.2 does work ok 0.9.2
2020-12-14 01:39 <Ubit> no idea what singu does
2020-12-14 01:40 <Ubit> it had 2 i used that to create some settings
2020-12-14 01:42 <Ubit> hmm some do look a bit darker on last fs
2020-12-14 01:43 <Ubit> well seen something on the ll tpvs meeting they are working on things that will break a lot of old contents
2020-12-14 01:43 <Ubit> ( and moap does not suport flash now )
2020-12-14 01:44 <Ubit> yeach think u can try setting a env with fs 6.0.2 diva
2020-12-14 01:45 <Ubit> but may need to relog the 6.4.12 avatar to see the changes ( or tp to a region out of view )
2020-12-14 01:48 <Ubit> opos the forced env no long works? what hell
2020-12-14 01:52 <djphil> Waow another nice improvment :)
2020-12-14 01:52 <djphil> http://openmanniland.de/TrrainSpinnereik.jpg
2020-12-14 01:52 <Ubit> oops
2020-12-14 01:53 <Ubit> i don't see that
2020-12-14 01:54 <Ubit> what viewer is that?
2020-12-14 01:54 <djphil> ^^
2020-12-14 01:54 <djphil> It's a hack ...
2020-12-14 01:55 <Ubit> well regions don't support any of that
2020-12-14 01:56 <djphil> Why my god these cool things aren't for everyone :s
2020-12-14 01:56 <Ubit> damm env overide works fine on 6.0.2 with my hack for wl
2020-12-14 01:56 <Ubit> does not on 6.4.12 grrr
2020-12-14 01:56 <Ubit> heck
2020-12-14 01:56 <Ubit> now worked
2020-12-14 01:57 <Ubit> duhh now works
2020-12-14 01:58 <Ubit> now it does not GRRR
2020-12-14 01:59 <Ubit> ok issue with parcels
2020-12-14 01:59 <Ubit> can only work on main region
2020-12-14 01:59 <Ubit> yeah
2020-12-14 02:00 <Ubit> i need to also kill the parcel env for that av
2020-12-14 02:01 <Ubit> hmm or a versions issue
2020-12-14 02:55 <djphil> Demo video done ...
2020-12-14 02:55 <djphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uprfnLfTV2o
2020-12-14 02:56 <djphil> I do not know if this is a bug on the viewer side or on the simulator side ...
2020-12-14 15:22 <osmantis> Bug #8834:04 GetTextureConnector does not load in robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8834 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2020-12-14 15:26 <osmantis> Bug #8832:04 Watchdog timeouts freeze and lag server and console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8832 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-14 15:27 <osmantis> Bug #8834:04 GetTextureConnector does not load in robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8834 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2020-12-14 15:43 <osmantis> Bug #6744:04 GridUser table gets extra entry with repeat avatar UUID with variants of hypergrid reference 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6744 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-14 15:51 <osmantis> Bug #8834:04 GetTextureConnector does not load in robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8834 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-14 15:52 <osmantis> Bug #8834:04 GetTextureConnector does not load in robust 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8834 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-12-14 16:46 <Ubit> love issues that get "solved" like that :)
2020-12-14 17:18 <osmantis> Bug #8827:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osGetLastChangedEventKey small improvement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8827 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2020-12-14 17:18 <osmantis> Bug #8828:04 [SCRIPT CONSTANT] CHANGED_ALLOWED_DROP Doesn't work like the SL wiki says 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8828 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2020-12-14 17:42 <osmantis> Bug #8833:04 Same Avatar can login multiple times in the same HG if it TPs to any other HG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8833 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-14 17:52 <osmantis> Bug #8833:04 Same Avatar can login multiple times in the same HG if it TPs to any other HG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8833 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-14 20:11 <osmantis> Bug #8832:04 Watchdog timeouts freeze and lag server and console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8832 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-15 00:00 <Ubit> dan scared osmantis
2020-12-15 00:01 <osmantis> Bug #8832:04 Watchdog timeouts freeze and lag server and console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8832 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-15 00:22 <osmantis> Bug #8832:04 Watchdog timeouts freeze and lag server and console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8832 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-15 02:58 <osmantis> Bug #8832:04 Watchdog timeouts freeze and lag server and console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8832 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-15 08:45 <djphil> I don't know if you have this too but with the latest version of Osgrid, I no longer see my npc on the map ... even with the option ShowNPCs = true
2020-12-15 08:45 <djphil> On the other hand I have a new warning message which tells me:
2020-12-15 08:45 <djphil> 09:43:45 - [EVENTQUEUE]: (Enqueue) No queue found for agent 60836116-dff9-4983-8249-f77127ca6da5 in region Digital Concepts
2020-12-15 08:45 <djphil> This uuid is the uuid of my npc automatically created on each region start.
2020-12-15 08:45 <djphil> I don't know if all this is related but in any case I no longer see the npc on the map, that's for sure
2020-12-15 08:46 <osmantis> Bug #8832:04 Watchdog timeouts freeze and lag server and console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8832 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-15 12:36 <osmantis> Bug #6252:04 Add support for terrain effects that act on RegionInfo, e.g. using grid-coordiantes as seed values in an effect 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6252 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-15 17:07 <osjenkins> Starting build #7431 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-15 17:11 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7431: SUCCESS in 5 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7431/
2020-12-15 17:11 <osjenkins> Alicia Raven: Allow estate config files to specify a specific EstateID. Defaults to 0 if not specified which uses auto increment id as current behaviour.
2020-12-15 19:20 <Plugh> If anyone here wants to attend todays Open Sim developer meeting we are gathering in Hurliman Plaza. The Dev Outreach region is not available today.
2020-12-15 20:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #7432 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2020-12-15 20:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few changes to ossl get grid uris and name
2020-12-15 22:15 <osmantis> Bug #8832:04 Watchdog timeouts freeze and lag server and console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8832 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-16 01:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #7433 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2020-12-16 01:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few more tables that may blowup on utf8mb4 and need no more than latin1
2020-12-16 11:06 <osmantis> Bug #8835:04 [MAP] Npc are no longer displayed on the map 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8835 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-12-16 15:05 <osmantis> Bug #8835:04 [MAP] Npc are no longer displayed on the map 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8835 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-16 22:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #7434 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-16 22:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7434: SUCCESS in 5 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7434/
2020-12-16 22:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: changes to map search parsing (may still be bad)
2020-12-16 22:30 <Ubit> yeack ofc odd things :p
2020-12-16 22:32 <Tampa> Trying to solve region names with dots in them?
2020-12-16 22:33 <Ubit> no that is invalid region name
2020-12-16 22:35 <Ubit> why do you keep asking for that? gezz
2020-12-16 22:35 <Tampa> I don't actually
2020-12-16 22:35 <Tampa> I am happy it don't work
2020-12-16 22:35 <Ubit> ohh ok then someelse did :)
2020-12-16 22:36 <Tampa> I happily keep to myself on my.region
2020-12-16 22:36 <Tampa> heh
2020-12-16 22:36 <Ubit> duhhh
2020-12-16 22:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #7435 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-16 22:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7435: SUCCESS in 4 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7435/
2020-12-16 22:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix RegionURI set IsLocalGrid if url has no host
2020-12-16 23:20 <Ubit> works?
2020-12-16 23:25 <Ubit> gezz viewers are irritating
2020-12-16 23:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #7436 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-17 00:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7436: SUCCESS in 4 min 3 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7436/
2020-12-17 00:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update mapsearch
2020-12-17 03:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #7437 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2020-12-17 03:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few changes
2020-12-17 21:52 <Ubit> Jon???
2020-12-17 21:52 <Ubit> ufff
2020-12-17 21:52 <Ubit> Jon
2020-12-17 21:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #7438 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-17 21:52 <Ubit> ohh did the typo again.. Job!
2020-12-17 21:53 <Ubit> must send my keyb back to schoole
2020-12-17 21:53 <Ubit> school even
2020-12-17 21:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7438: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7438/
2020-12-17 21:57 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: simplify mapsearchmodule, do not block client requests while one is in progress puting it back on client secondary exec thread job (this may cause issues, to see later)
2020-12-17 21:57 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: start JonEngines without any thread, first job enq will add it
2020-12-18 08:42 <osmantis> Bug #8836:04 llHTTPRequest has delay based on what is called next 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8836 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-12-18 08:49 <osmantis> Bug #8836:04 llHTTPRequest has delay based on what is called next 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8836 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-12-18 10:09 <osmantis> Bug #8833:04 Same Avatar can login multiple times in the same HG if it TPs to any other HG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8833 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-18 10:23 <osmantis> Bug #8832:04 Watchdog timeouts freeze and lag server and console 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8832 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-18 10:48 <osmantis> Bug #8835:04 [MAP] Npc are no longer displayed on the map 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8835 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-18 11:07 <osmantis> Bug #8835:04 [MAP] Npc are no longer displayed on the map 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8835 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-12-18 12:10 <osmantis> Bug #8836:04 llHTTPRequest has delay based on what is called next 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8836 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-18 12:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #7439 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-18 13:00 <osmantis> Bug #8836:04 llHTTPRequest has delay based on what is called next 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8836 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-18 13:01 <djphil> Already better :p
2020-12-18 13:02 <osmantis> Bug #8836:04 llHTTPRequest has delay based on what is called next 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8836 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-18 13:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7439: SUCCESS in 5 min 19 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7439/
2020-12-18 13:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8836: llLoadURL, prim cannot be group owned, url must be a valid url (and include http(s)://) reduce time penalty to 1s
2020-12-18 13:11 <osmantis> Bug #8836:04 llHTTPRequest has delay based on what is called next 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8836 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-12-18 13:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #7440 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-18 13:16 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7440: SUCCESS in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7440/
2020-12-18 13:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: also check the url on llHTTPRequest before doing anything with garbage
2020-12-18 14:34 <osmantis> Bug #8837:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] llLoadURL need update/improvment 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8837 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-12-18 14:44 <osmantis> Bug #8837:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] llLoadURL need update/improvment 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8837 ): has been CLOSED
2020-12-18 14:47 <djphil> Yes I saw this but I created the mantis because 1.0 second is 10 times longer than 0.1 second.
2020-12-18 14:47 <djphil> So I thought you could improve this in opensim ...
2020-12-18 14:47 <Ubit> and i did
2020-12-18 14:47 <Ubit> it is 1 second now
2020-12-18 14:48 <Ubit> don't care if ll made it 0.1
2020-12-18 14:49 <djphil> Ha you're gonna do it 0.1 ... so that's cool, like SL :)
2020-12-18 14:49 <Ubit> well for now it is configurable.. some how
2020-12-18 14:49 <Ubit> until i delete all that crap configs :p
2020-12-18 14:49 <djphil> Okay okay
2020-12-18 14:50 <Ubit> yeah better not remember me they are there :p
2020-12-18 14:51 <djphil> I will remember you with a delay of 0.1
2020-12-18 14:52 <djphil> But withou flood ^^
2020-12-18 14:52 <Ubit> 10 per sec is flood
2020-12-18 14:53 <Ubit> 1 sec is same as lldialog
2020-12-18 14:53 <Ubit> that is a kinda of a dialog
2020-12-18 14:53 <Ubit> that was my logic
2020-12-18 14:53 <djphil> for LlHTTPRequest SL wiki say The current limits are 25 requests in 20 seconds for each object, and 1000 in 20 seconds for each owner. These may change in the future if needed to prevent problems in regions.
2020-12-18 14:53 <djphil> Same on Opensim ?
2020-12-18 14:54 <cslcm> flooding should be dealt with by rate limits not by arbitrary delays
2020-12-18 14:54 <cslcm> it was always a shitty LL decision and one they've regretted
2020-12-18 14:54 <cslcm> hence the removal of many of the delays
2020-12-18 14:54 <Ubit> don't remember, but it does have throttle that shoud give identical effect
2020-12-18 14:55 <Ubit> throttle rates are also arbitary
2020-12-18 14:55 <Ubit> so yeah..
2020-12-18 14:56 <Ubit> that load should have one also...
2020-12-18 14:56 <Ubit> but thats a lot more code :p
2020-12-18 14:56 <Ubit> lots
2020-12-18 14:57 <Ubit> but that is a ton of throttle controls to add
2020-12-18 14:58 <djphil> Go ahead, speed up :)
2020-12-18 14:58 <Ubit> or go back to 10s because of you?
2020-12-18 14:58 <Ubit> :p
2020-12-18 15:00 <djphil> Is Ubit in a bad mood today? Did he sleep badly? :s
2020-12-18 15:08 <Tampa> oof
2020-12-18 15:09 <Tampa> Like you add something new and in the process find ten things wrong
2020-12-18 15:11 <cslcm> regarding llHTTPRequest, those throttle rates dont ACTUALLY match reality. If you try sending out 1 request per second you will hit the throttle 
2020-12-18 15:11 <cslcm> the reason is, the timings count from AFTER the last llHTTPRequest command was executed, (i.e after the command returns) so there's a slight discrepancy
2020-12-18 15:11 <cslcm> 1.1s works fine
2020-12-18 15:27 <Tampa> I don't know why people need to fast http, send more data at once instead
2020-12-18 15:57 <cslcm> because of the script memory limits
2020-12-18 15:57 <cslcm> big request responses means a huge chunk of memory reserved just for processing that
2020-12-18 15:58 <Ubit> we should do as sansar and space.. only registered ( paying) ppl can devel things :p
2020-12-18 15:59 <Ubit> and in last, creations do need to pass evaluation tests
2020-12-18 15:59 <cslcm> which is what made sansar such an amazing success ^_^
2020-12-18 15:59 <Ubit> can be refused if don't pass optimizers
2020-12-18 16:00 <Ubit> well that was a lot the nonsense head things
2020-12-18 16:00 <Ubit> as hifi
2020-12-18 16:01 <Ubit> no one stands those for a long time, unless in work on special cases
2020-12-18 16:01 <Ubit> like big eng development of factories.. cars etc
2020-12-18 16:02 <Ubit> and bet many take them off and look to the flat 2d monitors :p
2020-12-18 16:02 <cslcm> the whole point of SL and similar environments is user content :P
2020-12-18 16:02 <cslcm> if you remove the user content (or restrict it), people won't bite
2020-12-18 16:03 <Ubit> ofc
2020-12-18 16:03 <cslcm> sansar is just a content gallery
2020-12-18 16:03 <cslcm> although the festivals they host there are pretty banging ^_^
2020-12-18 16:03 <Ubit> we can only hope ppl do nice optimized content
2020-12-18 16:04 <Ubit> and avoid dj from spamming everyone with loadurl dialogs :p
2020-12-18 16:04 <Ubit> 
ACTION runs and hides from dj

2020-12-18 16:04 <cslcm> hahah well that's kinda self moderating, if a place is too laggy or too spammy then people just won't come back
2020-12-18 16:06 <Ubit> yeah but that ends up in frustration.. and ppl don't came back to the entire system not just region
2020-12-18 16:07 <Ubit> space forcing content validation was a must, if they wanted better graphics etc
2020-12-18 16:08 <Tampa> You really think lag drives people away? lol
2020-12-18 16:08 <Ubit> yes laggy sex is bad :p
2020-12-18 16:08 <Tampa> It's amazing what some people put up with because they think they have a good experience
2020-12-18 16:09 <cslcm> i mean it definitely does beyond a point
2020-12-18 16:09 <cslcm> i've had people who refuse to go places because they only get 2fps there
2020-12-18 16:09 <cslcm> but people have different tolerances
2020-12-18 16:09 <Ubit> ofc
2020-12-18 16:09 <djphil> Tomorrowland is expected to be hosted on sansar this year. I am curious about the result
2020-12-18 16:10 <cslcm> Ohhh i'm definitely attending that if that's true
2020-12-18 16:58 <cslcm> Is the uuid -> name correlation stored anywhere in the database for hypergrid visitors?
2020-12-18 17:02 <Ubit> griduserservice as a uui
2020-12-18 17:18 <osjenkins> Starting build #7441 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-18 17:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7441: SUCCESS in 4 min 4 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7441/
2020-12-18 17:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: send GridStatus and GridStatusRSS urls to viewers in opensimextras (and grinfinfo?), for viewers that may care in future. This can be set on section GridInfoService of robust.ini or standalonecommon.ini
2020-12-18 17:24 <djphil> osRssGetValue (lol)
2020-12-18 17:26 <Ubit> what?
2020-12-18 17:26 <cslcm> @Ubit: I can't find that table in the db for this grid i'm working with :(
2020-12-18 17:26 <Ubit> 
ACTION runs chasing DJ to spank him

2020-12-18 17:26 <djphil> No nothing, just a stupidity that I say
2020-12-18 17:27 <Ubit> good reason for good spanking :p
2020-12-18 17:27 <Ubit> hat table?
2020-12-18 17:30 <cslcm> <Ubit> griduserservice as a uui
2020-12-18 17:33 <Ubit> CREATE TABLE `GridUser` (
2020-12-18 17:33 <Ubit>     `UserID` VARCHAR(255) NOT NULL,
2020-12-18 17:33 <Ubit> thats that UserID
2020-12-18 17:33 <cslcm> ohhh i see
2020-12-18 18:11 <cslcm> @Ubit thanks
2020-12-18 19:00 <osmantis> Bug #8836:04 llHTTPRequest has delay based on what is called next 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8836 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-18 19:03 <osmantis> Bug #8836:04 llHTTPRequest has delay based on what is called next 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8836 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-18 20:37 <Plugh> Um... llHTTPRequest is predicting the future??  ;)
2020-12-18 20:53 <Ubit> wrong commit plugh :p
2020-12-18 20:56 <Ubit> the possible future use is GridStatus url
2020-12-19 20:46 <osmantis> Bug #8836:04 llHTTPRequest has delay based on what is called next 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8836 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-19 21:05 <osmantis> Bug #8836:04 llHTTPRequest has delay based on what is called next 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8836 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-20 00:56 <cslcm> is there a way to get a reference to the OpenSimBase from a SharedRegionModule
2020-12-20 16:39 <diva> Ubit why would llRez fail, if I have it on a loop?
2020-12-20 16:39 <diva> I'm rezzing 40 chairs, and some of them simply don't rez
2020-12-20 16:39 <Ubit> err no idea
2020-12-20 16:41 <Ubit>             if (string.IsNullOrEmpty(inventory) || Double.IsNaN(rot.x) || Double.IsNaN(rot.y) || Double.IsNaN(rot.z) || Double.IsNaN(rot.s))
2020-12-20 16:41 <Ubit>                 return;
2020-12-20 16:42 <Ubit> hard to guess why
2020-12-20 16:45 <diva> this is the weirdest thing
2020-12-20 16:46 <djphil> can you send the script here to test it ?
2020-12-20 16:48 <diva> https://pastebin.com/bZyaHaTa
2020-12-20 16:49 <diva> here's what's happening: it rezzes only 4 per row instead of 5 (or whatever CHAIRS_PER_ROW is)
2020-12-20 16:50 <diva> I have a debug printout on on_rez of the rezzed object. The 4 first objects in each row print that out; the others don't
2020-12-20 16:51 <diva> I played around with llSleep, but it doesn't help
2020-12-20 16:52 <diva> even if I remove llSleep, the same happens. It's not random. It just does the first 4 and moves to the next row, does 4, etc
2020-12-20 16:54 <diva> CHAIRS_PER_ROW = 7 --> same thing, only the first 4 rez
2020-12-20 16:55 <diva> CHAIR_PER_ROW = 4 rezzes them all without skipping any one
2020-12-20 16:55 <djphil> The llSleep is for testing or you need it ?
2020-12-20 16:55 <diva> testing
2020-12-20 16:55 <diva> I thought it might help, but it doesn't
2020-12-20 16:56 <djphil> wotk fine here ... i have remplacer row "3" by "10" and no problem all prims rez perfectly
2020-12-20 16:57 <diva> no no. Change CHAIRS_PER_ROW
2020-12-20 16:57 <diva> the number of rows is not a problem
2020-12-20 16:58 <djphil> you whant CHAIRS_PER_ROW 40 or 50 or more ?
2020-12-20 16:58 <diva> I wanted 5, but only 4 rez
2020-12-20 16:59 <diva> if I change it to anything other than 4, it only rezzes 4
2020-12-20 17:00 <djphil> i can rez with 10 without problem
2020-12-20 17:00 <djphil> CHAIRS_PER_ROW = 10; with for (i = 0; i < 10; i++)
2020-12-20 17:00 <diva> CHAIRS_PER_ROW?
2020-12-20 17:00 <djphil> 10
2020-12-20 17:00 <diva> I'm in 0..9.1.1 btw
2020-12-20 17:01 <djphil> maybee ...
2020-12-20 17:02 <djphil> i have tested on osgrid
2020-12-20 17:02 <djphil> OpenSim 0.9.2.0 Yeti Dev   OSgrid 0.9.2.0 Yeti Dev   81873a5419: 2020-11-27 01:08:10 +0000 (Win/.NET)
2020-12-20 17:02 <cslcm> on the 5th chair displacement_x is at 10 which === the max rez distance
2020-12-20 17:02 <djphil> under XEngine
2020-12-20 17:02 <diva> oh...
2020-12-20 17:02 <cslcm> try changing displacement to 1 and see if it rezzes ok
2020-12-20 17:02 <cslcm> we might be checking for < 10 rather than <= 10
2020-12-20 17:02 <djphil> ha yes, max rez distance maybe ... default is 10m
2020-12-20 17:02 <diva> thanks cslcm!
2020-12-20 17:02 <diva> can I change that?
2020-12-20 17:03 <djphil> yes
2020-12-20 17:03 <diva> I need to be able to rez all over the place here!
2020-12-20 17:03 <cslcm> floating point rounding errors also might come into play
2020-12-20 17:04 <diva> so what's the incantation for increasing the rez distance?
2020-12-20 17:04 <djphil> i search the value on ini ^^
2020-12-20 17:04 <djphil> don't remeber
2020-12-20 17:05 <djphil> ScriptDistanceLimitFactor = 1.0
2020-12-20 17:05 <Ubit> seems working for mw
2020-12-20 17:05 <Ubit> that script
2020-12-20 17:05 <Ubit> err or not
2020-12-20 17:06 <djphil> on ly config i have 5.0 for ScriptDistanceLimitFactor
2020-12-20 17:06 <djphil> my*
2020-12-20 17:06 <Ubit> only did got 12 :)
2020-12-20 17:07 <diva> ok, great, that must be it. I'm going to change that config var. Thank you!
2020-12-20 17:07 <djphil> Cool :)
2020-12-20 17:07 <Ubit> ohh there is that :)
2020-12-20 17:08 <djphil> Fortunately we can configure it :)
2020-12-20 17:09 <Ubit>  if (dist > m_ScriptDistanceFactor * 10.0f)
2020-12-20 17:09 <Ubit>                 return;
2020-12-20 17:09 <Ubit> forgot this :p
2020-12-20 17:09 <Ubit> 10m
2020-12-20 17:10 <Ubit> "Silently fails to rez inventory if position is more than 10 meters away from the prim trying to rez inventory"
2020-12-20 17:11 <djphil> With the var regions we may need to rez something really far ...> 256.0m
2020-12-20 17:11 <djphil> and without moving the rezzzer of course
2020-12-20 17:11 <Ubit> so working ..
2020-12-20 17:17 <djphil> 
ACTION Ubit ne lit pas ses message dans le monde

2020-12-20 17:18 <djphil> 
ACTION Ooops, Ubit does not read its inworld messages

2020-12-20 17:22 <Ubit> im busy
2020-12-20 17:23 <djphil> okay
2020-12-20 18:26 <diva> I don't suppose there is a script function to programmatically subdivide parcels, is there?
2020-12-20 18:27 <djphil> ossl have
2020-12-20 18:27 <diva> oh? which ones?
2020-12-20 18:27 <djphil> osParcelJoin
2020-12-20 18:27 <djphil> osParcelSubdivide
2020-12-20 18:28 <diva> <3 !
2020-12-20 18:28 <djphil> d(-__-)b
2020-12-20 18:30 <djphil> Be careful, however, because all the plots created and then deleted are not from the database ...
2020-12-20 18:30 <diva> what do you mean?
2020-12-20 18:32 <djphil> When you create plots and then use join to delete them, they will remain in the database
2020-12-20 18:32 <diva> why?
2020-12-20 18:33 <djphil> I don't know why ... normally I think they should be deleted from the database as well but found that they are not
2020-12-20 18:34 <djphil> I am no longer certain of the name of the database concerned ... it may be "parcels".
2020-12-20 18:36 <diva> does this happen only to the parcels created with ossubdivide?
2020-12-20 18:37 <djphil> I don't know ... Just I can say that I saw this when I used osParcelSubdivide
2020-12-20 18:42 <djphil> I would have to check this again but I don't have time to do it now
2020-12-20 18:43 <diva> s'ok
2020-12-20 18:43 <diva> thanks
2020-12-20 20:17 <diva> llTeleportAgentHome is not working for me...
2020-12-20 20:20 <djphil> Work fine here
2020-12-20 20:21 <diva> maybe some missing incantation on my config vars?
2020-12-20 20:22 <djphil> Have you "Set Home toHere" first for your avi ?
2020-12-20 20:24 <diva> yeah. It's wrking through the viewer
2020-12-20 20:26 <djphil> and ossl teleport fail too ?
2020-12-20 20:26 <djphil> osLocalTeleportAgent
2020-12-20 20:26 <djphil> osTeleportAgent
2020-12-20 20:26 <djphil> osTeleportOwner
2020-12-20 20:26 <diva> other teleporting functions are working
2020-12-20 20:27 <djphil> amazing
2020-12-20 20:27 <djphil> i have tested with this
2020-12-20 20:27 <djphil> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlTeleportAgentHome
2020-12-20 20:28 <djphil> 0 problem ...
2020-12-20 20:28 <diva> yeah that's what I'm trying to use, but it's not working for some reason
2020-12-20 20:39 <cslcm> Is there a code-style configuration/tool available for opensim
2020-12-20 20:39 <cslcm> i.e how do you standardise code style
2020-12-20 20:40 <djphil> Diva, region have a flag to allow set home
2020-12-20 20:40 <djphil> Bit 2: 4 = AllowSetHome (1 << 2): Home position can be set in this sim
2020-12-20 20:40 <diva> in what way, cslcm? we just use the general C# guideliens
2020-12-20 20:40 <cslcm> so you format code manually?
2020-12-20 20:41 <diva> god, no! :) I use Visual Studio
2020-12-20 20:41 <cslcm> okay, just with the default style configuration?
2020-12-20 20:41 <diva> most of us do. except Melanie
2020-12-20 20:41 <diva> yeah
2020-12-20 20:41 <cslcm> because I noticed that you (for example) don't have a space between "if (" but VS default is to keep the space
2020-12-20 20:42 <diva> ah, that's different. I do use spaces in if statements. Where did you see I don't?
2020-12-20 20:42 <cslcm> one sec.
2020-12-20 20:42 <cslcm> for example this commit is 99% formatting changes - https://github.com/opensim/opensim/commit/2129d941acbc5f83aca4dc4c30a62d3226888136
2020-12-20 20:43 <cslcm> and those spaces were removed
2020-12-20 20:43 <diva> ewwwww, Ubit! What the heck?
2020-12-20 20:44 <diva> I HATE not seeing spaces after the keyword if!
2020-12-20 20:44 <diva> and foreach, etc
2020-12-20 20:46 <Ubit> hmm??
2020-12-20 20:46 <Ubit> and i hate them :p
2020-12-20 20:46 <diva> OMG! THIS IS WAR! 
2020-12-20 20:46 <Ubit> :)
2020-12-20 20:46 <diva> Are you serious?!
2020-12-20 20:47 <Ubit> Are you serious?!
2020-12-20 20:47 <Ubit> :p
2020-12-20 20:47 <diva> where the hell did you learn to not have spaces there?!
2020-12-20 20:47 <cslcm> I didn't mean to start a war :P
2020-12-20 20:47 <diva> like, Javascript?!
2020-12-20 20:47 <Ubit> where the hell did you learn to have spaces there?!
2020-12-20 20:48 <diva> in every single major programming language style, of course! 
2020-12-20 20:48 <cslcm> The main moan i have at you Ubit... :P is not separating your code-style commits with the functional changes
2020-12-20 20:48 <cslcm> and for that you deserve a public flogging
2020-12-20 20:48 <cslcm> but i dont care about the code style choices themselves :P
2020-12-20 20:48 <diva> I knew about spaces vs tabs, emacs vs vs, but I didn't know spaces-after-if vs no-spaces-after-if!
2020-12-20 20:49 <Ubit> i rare do commits bc code style
2020-12-20 20:49 <Ubit> and when vs does decide to put a space there i usally let it go
2020-12-20 20:49 <Ubit> but never type it there
2020-12-20 20:50 -!- djphil(~djphil@109.131.109.196) has left #opensim-dev
2020-12-20 20:50 <Ubit> and yes i also don't add {} when a if only has one statement, in case u ask
2020-12-20 20:51 <diva> that's ok, but no spaces in conditional and looping keywords... I can't stand it!
2020-12-20 20:52 <Ubit> ill try not to remove the ones you add :p
2020-12-20 20:52 <diva> I have OCD about it. Even with my teenage daughter who's just learning how to program.
2020-12-20 20:52 <Ubit> wasted keystrokes :p
2020-12-20 20:53 <Ubit> for (int i = 0; i < len; ++i)
2020-12-20 20:53 <Ubit> if (indx >= 0)
2020-12-20 20:54 <Ubit> gezz why waste 2 a full utf-16 there?
2020-12-20 20:54 <diva> because it makes it much easier to read!
2020-12-20 20:55 <diva> you wwrite shource code for people to read, not for computers to run.
2020-12-20 20:55 <Ubit> btw where had i seen that?
2020-12-20 21:06 <Ubit> buhhh
2020-12-20 21:06 <Ubit> btw where had you seen that?
2020-12-20 21:07 <diva> seen what?
2020-12-20 21:07 <Ubit> my pretty ifs
2020-12-20 21:08 <diva> https://github.com/opensim/opensim/commit/2129d941acbc5f83aca4dc4c30a62d3226888136
2020-12-20 21:09 <Ubit> ohh thats old
2020-12-20 21:09 <Ubit> hmm think some of that was automatic vs
2020-12-20 21:43 <Ubit> 
ACTION looks back to see if cslcm needs spanking...

2020-12-20 21:46 <Ubit> 
ACTION runs after cslcm spanking him with a large trout

2020-12-20 21:53 <cslcm> Hey! :P
2020-12-20 21:53 <cslcm> I'm trying to diff the actual changes in this commit
2020-12-20 21:54 <cslcm> do you know what auto tool you used
2020-12-20 21:54 <Ubit> vs also, with the settings i had at the time
2020-12-20 21:54 <cslcm> okay
2020-12-20 21:58 <Ubit> major is not tabs... tab -> 4 spaces
2020-12-20 21:58 <Ubit> major is NO tabs... tab -> 4 spaces
2020-12-20 21:59 <Ubit> i hate 'var' also
2020-12-20 21:59 <Ubit> unless right side defines the type exactly
2020-12-20 22:01 <Ubit> like i can read var bla = new List<string>(100);
2020-12-20 22:02 <Ubit> not var bla = myFancyThing();
2020-12-20 22:09 <Ubit> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjPkW06NY-E
2020-12-20 22:09 <Ubit> oops
2020-12-20 23:19 <Aramis^> Night Witches lol better that than Night Nurses In Bondage, always clean clipboard! :)
2020-12-21 10:11 <osmantis> Bug #8814:04 Alpha causes loop: "DEBUG [UPLOAD BAKED TEXTURE HANDLER]: Received baked texture" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8814 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-21 10:22 <osmantis> Bug #8838:04 All inventory "Unavailable" when I'm on another grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8838 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-12-21 11:07 <osmantis> Bug #8838:04 All inventory "Unavailable" when I'm on another grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8838 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-21 11:59 <osmantis> Bug #8838:04 All inventory "Unavailable" when I'm on another grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8838 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-21 13:53 <osmantis> Bug #8838:04 All inventory "Unavailable" when I'm on another grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8838 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-21 14:08 <osmantis> Bug #8838:04 All inventory "Unavailable" when I'm on another grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8838 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-21 18:17 <osmantis> Bug #8826:04 Alpha mode on BoM body changes to "none" from masking or alpha when HG hopping (even if no mod). 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8826 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-21 19:10 <djphil> All possible error returned by OSSL EEP functions are added on the wiki.
2020-12-21 19:10 <Ubit> ty
2020-12-21 19:10 <djphil> to you :)
2020-12-21 19:11 <Ubit> ill commit that -9 to -5 change
2020-12-21 19:11 <Ubit> one day :p
2020-12-21 19:11 <djphil> Well wiki say -5 today :p
2020-12-21 19:11 <Ubit> ok
2020-12-21 19:12 <djphil> But if you do it later then I can just edit the wiki and wait ...
2020-12-21 19:12 <Ubit> nah its ok
2020-12-21 19:12 <Ubit> no one will even use that for ages
2020-12-21 19:13 <Ubit> in mean the agent forced one
2020-12-21 19:13 <djphil> Well I'll do a second example script with all the errors returned in detail ... so it might get used more than you think ...
2020-12-21 19:15 <djphil> for now I just did if > 0 and else if < 0
2020-12-21 19:16 <djphil> later I add to the else if 0 :p
2020-12-21 19:16 <Ubit> think just avoid 0 so its > 0
2020-12-21 19:16 <djphil> yes
2020-12-21 19:20 <djphil> I also saw that Linden has a float value for transition but Opensim is only an integer value ...
2020-12-21 19:20 <Ubit> yeah but that does nothing :(
2020-12-21 19:20 <Ubit> at opensim
2020-12-21 19:21 <Ubit> i can't use the viewers code on that
2020-12-21 19:21 <Ubit> because it is based on experiences
2020-12-21 19:21 <Ubit> no ide why i made it a int actually :)
2020-12-21 19:22 <Ubit> ohh i know
2020-12-21 19:23 <Ubit> bc that uses a old aurora protocol where it is a int
2020-12-21 19:23 <Ubit> actually a bool
2020-12-21 19:23 <djphil> I like the word "Aurora" but I don't like the word "old" :p
2020-12-21 19:23 <Ubit> only old fs do have it
2020-12-21 19:24 <Ubit> new viewers have no comand to set that
2020-12-21 19:24 <Ubit> i mean region comand
2020-12-21 19:24 <Ubit> only on that experiences dependent thing
2020-12-21 19:25 <djphil> So to change the int to float you have to modify opensim and the viewer
2020-12-21 19:25 <Ubit> none
2020-12-21 19:25 <djphil> ha ?
2020-12-21 19:25 <Ubit> as i said, only fs 6.0.2 or 6.3 will actual do anything with that parameter
2020-12-21 19:26 <Ubit> 6.4.12 will do whatever the local setting
2020-12-21 19:26 <Ubit> think singu never did add that aurora protocol
2020-12-21 19:27 <djphil> FS is not based on LL viewer code?
2020-12-21 19:27 <Ubit> i did ask liru.. a year or more ago for WL singu..  ignored :)
2020-12-21 19:27 <djphil> Aurora have Windlight and Lightsahe no ?
2020-12-21 19:27 <Ubit> all are
2020-12-21 19:27 <djphil> Singu have Lightshare only
2020-12-21 19:27 <Ubit> yeah think add both.. not sure
2020-12-21 19:27 <Ubit> yeah but lightshare protocol is gone
2020-12-21 19:28 <djphil> arfff all this is confused ^^
2020-12-21 19:28 <Ubit> opensim kind made a little mess on that :)
2020-12-21 19:29 <Ubit> well not that big.. history issues etc
2020-12-21 19:29 <djphil> Yeah, Rev has always said that from LighShare
2020-12-21 19:29 <Ubit> as i said, original viewers had no sharing of environment
2020-12-21 19:33 <djphil> I'm already going to give you time to change -9 to -5
2020-12-21 19:33 <djphil> Then I will ask for new features :p
2020-12-21 19:48 <djphil> ty
2020-12-21 19:48 <Ubit> :)
2020-12-21 19:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #7442 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-21 19:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7442: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7442/
2020-12-21 19:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: osReplaceAgentEnvironment change error -9 to -5 so it is identical to others
2020-12-21 20:27 <djphil> ... and all second exemple done :)
2020-12-21 21:41 <Ubit> don't dare go look :p
2020-12-21 21:41 <Ubit> (kidding)
2020-12-21 21:42 <Ubit> anyone tested the map search parsing changes?
2020-12-21 21:42 <Ubit> unf anything with a url must be a exact match
2020-12-21 21:42 <Ubit> or viewers will show nothing :(
2020-12-21 21:43 <djphil> No yet
2020-12-21 21:43 <Ubit> map is a hg fail on vieers
2020-12-21 21:44 <Ubit> their map is one grid only.. and only forget regions at login
2020-12-21 21:44 <djphil> I'm still looking for my npc's ^^ :p
2020-12-21 21:44 <Ubit> yeah gone :p
2020-12-21 21:44 <Ubit> map is for humans
2020-12-21 21:44 <djphil> :o
2020-12-21 21:45 <Ubit> gezz remember that bots business at sl?
2020-12-21 21:45 <osmantis> Bug #8838:04 All inventory "Unavailable" when I'm on another grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8838 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-21 21:46 <Ubit> ppl putting a ton of those on skyboxes to increase region trafic.. gezzz
2020-12-21 21:47 <djphil> I don't know, I don't go to SL
2020-12-21 21:47 <Ubit> this was ages ago
2020-12-21 21:47 <Ubit> and ofc the payed camping
2020-12-21 21:47 <djphil> But it shouldn't be too complicated to exclude the NPCs from Land Dwell I think ...
2020-12-21 21:48 <Ubit> guess gone from that long ago also
2020-12-21 21:48 <Ubit> npcs are objects
2020-12-21 21:48 <djphil> Not really ^^
2020-12-21 21:49 <Ubit> hate ai things
2020-12-21 21:49 <Ubit> there should had not been research on that
2020-12-21 21:49 <Ubit> it is suicidal research
2020-12-21 21:49 <djphil> AI is the futur ... :p
2020-12-21 21:50 <Ubit> yeah suicidal
2020-12-21 21:50 <djphil> We will see :)
2020-12-21 21:50 <Ubit> replace humans is suicidal
2020-12-21 21:51 <Ubit> no need for machines to decide to kill us
2020-12-21 21:51 <djphil> Human isn't a object ^^
2020-12-21 21:51 <Ubit> the humans excluded will do it
2020-12-21 21:52 <djphil> But the man is crazy you know that
2020-12-21 21:52 <Ubit> yeah humans rush as fast they can to self extintion
2020-12-21 21:53 <djphil> A very pessimistic view ...
2020-12-21 21:53 <Ubit> is it?
2020-12-21 21:55 <djphil> Humans have been around for a long time and they are still there ... ;)
2020-12-21 21:55 <Ubit> dynos where around a lot longer.. 
2020-12-21 21:55 <Ubit> well chickens still around
2020-12-21 21:55 <Ubit> not most of them
2020-12-21 21:55 <djphil> Dynos extiction is natural ...
2020-12-21 21:56 <Ubit> if getting a meteo on top their heads is natural.. ok
2020-12-21 21:57 <Ubit> we are still around bc of wars actually
2020-12-21 21:57 <djphil> But beware today humans make the weather :)
2020-12-21 21:57 <Ubit> weather?? totally not :p
2020-12-21 21:58 <djphil> and CO³ then ... :o
2020-12-21 21:58 <Ubit> not that clear
2020-12-21 21:59 <Ubit> weather just changes...
2020-12-21 21:59 <Ubit> not clear what was our contribution to current changes
2020-12-21 21:59 <djphil> We are accelerating this change
2020-12-21 21:59 <Ubit> sure adding co2 or freon things is bad
2020-12-21 22:00 <Ubit> but weather always changed a lot
2020-12-21 22:00 <djphil> true
2020-12-21 22:00 <Ubit> some major things in our history where actually weather driven
2020-12-21 22:00 <Ubit> like french revolution
2020-12-21 22:01 <djphil> hahaha
2020-12-21 22:01 <Ubit> ?
2020-12-21 22:02 <djphil> The french revolution isn't a meteo thing
2020-12-21 22:02 <Ubit> i said weather driven
2020-12-21 22:03 <djphil> Not sure i understand :s
2020-12-21 22:03 <Ubit> another thing was weather change due to a iceland vulcan
2020-12-21 22:04 <Ubit> there was abd weather period that killed production
2020-12-21 22:04 <djphil> I never said that only the human was responsible
2020-12-21 22:04 <Ubit> on top of that king and noble ppl decided to increase taxes..
2020-12-21 22:05 <Ubit> and gillotine was invented just in time for them :p
2020-12-21 22:05 <Ubit> rome also had a big crisis bc weather at egipt
2020-12-21 22:06 <djphil> Don't guillotine npc's :p
2020-12-21 22:06 <Ubit> that killed food production
2020-12-21 22:06 <Ubit> so rome starved
2020-12-21 22:06 <Ubit> so heads did role.. even without gillotine :)
2020-12-21 22:08 <Ubit> also germanics invasion of rome emp was made easy bg big rivers did froze allowing crossings outside roman major defense lines
2020-12-21 22:08 <Ubit> we where ruled by weather and is has been all around the temperature scale
2020-12-21 22:09 <Ubit> neandertal where possible killed by vesuvio vulcan.. those do impact things a lot
2020-12-21 22:10 <djphil> We are so small and insignificant in front of nature ...
2020-12-21 22:10 <Ubit> fill atmos with dust.. reducing temp a lot
2020-12-21 22:12 <Ubit> yeah and when we play with it, usually does not end well
2020-12-21 22:13 <Ubit> russia aral sea is a case
2020-12-21 22:13 <Ubit> usa lake meade?
2020-12-21 22:13 <Ubit> well that was a lake made by mistake it seems :)
2020-12-21 22:14 <djphil> true, He's almost gone now
2020-12-21 22:15 <Ubit> guess in 70's or 60's Diva would spend some holidays at lake meed or how it is spelled
2020-12-21 22:15 <Ubit> mead
2020-12-21 22:15 <djphil> With or without spaces ?
2020-12-21 22:16 <Ubit> lake mead
2020-12-21 22:17 <Ubit> but aral sea.. gezz
2020-12-21 22:18 <Ubit> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea
2020-12-21 22:18 <Ubit> see the evolution pics
2020-12-21 22:18 <Ubit> man made disaster
2020-12-21 22:18 <djphil> Yes, like I said above, almost disappeared :s
2020-12-21 22:19 <Ubit> yeah
2020-12-21 22:19 <Ubit> tons of boats on desert sand now 
2020-12-21 22:20 <djphil> A real sci-fi movie
2020-12-21 22:20 <djphil> but real ...
2020-12-21 22:32 <Ubit> ohh just learned that a soung of the 60's talking a lot about LSD was actually a 1930's sounf about LSD
2020-12-21 22:33 <Ubit> where in fact LSD means british coins
2020-12-21 22:33 <Ubit> from the original roman names
2020-12-21 22:34 <Ubit> Librae Solidii and Denarii
2020-12-21 22:44 <djphil> Even with LSD I can't see the NPC's :p
2020-12-21 22:44 <Ubit> duhh bad lsd.. with good one you should be seeing tons of naked npcs
2020-12-21 22:52 <diva> I dont think I've been to lake Mead
2020-12-21 22:52 <Ubit> well seems still a nice holidays place
2020-12-21 22:52 <Ubit> but losing water and tons of pesticides etc pollution
2020-12-21 23:30 <diva> wow, osDie is a killer. It's the fastest way to derez objects
2020-12-21 23:31 <diva> even the console command isn't this fast
2020-12-21 23:31 <Ubit> delete is send to owner trash
2020-12-21 23:31 <Ubit> not die
2020-12-21 23:32 <diva> <3
2020-12-21 23:34 <Ubit>    // harakiri check
2020-12-21 23:34 <Ubit>             if(sceneOG.UUID == m_host.ParentGroup.UUID)
2020-12-21 23:34 <Ubit>             {
2020-12-21 23:34 <Ubit>                 m_LSL_Api.llDie();
2020-12-21 23:34 <Ubit>                 return;
2020-12-21 23:34 <Ubit>             }
2020-12-21 23:34 <Ubit> this is a bit slower :)
2020-12-21 23:37 <Ubit> i never delete a prim in world
2020-12-21 23:37 <Ubit> i set it temporary
2020-12-21 23:37 <Ubit> specially at osgrid, where trash needs to be clear on osg site
2020-12-21 23:38 <Ubit> temporay objects just... die :)
2020-12-21 23:39 <diva> but even the server console command delete object is slower than osDie. 
2020-12-21 23:39 <Ubit> think that does send to trash
2020-12-21 23:39 <diva> really? that explains it...
2020-12-21 23:42 <Ubit> actully no.. it is imediate delete also
2020-12-21 23:43 <diva> that's odd. cos yesterday sometime it took over 2 minutes to delete 32 objects
2020-12-21 23:44 <Ubit> hwo did you select?
2020-12-21 23:44 <Ubit> well don't see search taking 2min
2020-12-21 23:44 <diva> delete object -name --regex lawn
2020-12-21 23:45 <Ubit> the odd comands you find :9
2020-12-21 23:46 <Ubit> yeah not the fast thing in world
2020-12-21 23:48 <Ubit> Regex nameRegex = new Regex(name);
2020-12-21 23:48 <Ubit>                 searchAction = so => { if (nameRegex.IsMatch(so.Name)) {if(!so.IsAttachment) sceneObjects.Add(so);}};
2020-12-21 23:48 <Ubit>  m_scene.ForEachSOG(searchAction);
2020-12-21 23:49 <Ubit> twisted way of doing a string.Countains(... )
2020-12-21 23:49 <Ubit> or equal even
2020-12-21 23:50 <Ubit> well regex can be complex
2020-12-21 23:50 <diva> regex is slow but does not justify 2 minutes. there is something else wrong with delete objects, I've noticed for a long time
2020-12-21 23:50 <Ubit> bet mem usage went up a bit also
2020-12-21 23:50 <diva> sending to inventory might explain it
2020-12-21 23:51 <Ubit> don't see it
2020-12-21 23:51 <Ubit> ends with 
2020-12-21 23:51 <Ubit>            foreach (SceneObjectGroup g in deletes)
2020-12-21 23:51 <Ubit>             {
2020-12-21 23:51 <Ubit>                 m_console.Output("Deleting object {0} {1}", g.UUID, g.Name);
2020-12-21 23:51 <Ubit>                 m_scene.DeleteSceneObject(g, false);
2020-12-21 23:51 <Ubit>             }
2020-12-21 23:52 <Ubit> that is same osdie does:
2020-12-21 23:52 <Ubit> World.DeleteSceneObject(sceneOG, false);
2020-12-21 23:53 <Ubit> so guess it is the search
2020-12-21 23:54 <djphil> Wiki say 0 second of delay for osRegexIsMatch and osListenRegex
2020-12-21 23:54 <Ubit> not that dj
2020-12-21 23:54 <djphil> ha okay ...
2020-12-21 23:55 <Ubit> ( but could mean we should add some penalty if it is heavy
2020-12-21 23:55 <Ubit> how many prims on region?
2020-12-21 23:56 <Ubit> well to delete simple names no need for the regex
2020-12-21 23:57 <Ubit> object delete -name name  does simple match
2020-12-21 23:58 <Ubit> searchAction = so => { if (so.Name == name) {if(!so.IsAttachment) sceneObjects.Add(so);}};
2020-12-21 23:58 <diva> there. I had to delete from console, and it's slow...
2020-12-21 23:59 <Ubit> the only fast searchs are per uuid or local id
2020-12-21 23:59 <diva> no, this is not slow search
2020-12-22 00:00 <Ubit> 2 min is a lot
2020-12-22 00:00 <diva> I can see the console messages coming. There's just a lot of time in between
2020-12-22 00:00 <diva> Deleting 32 objects in Zone 1
2020-12-22 00:00 <diva> Deleting object 8a8729fb-e344-4140-9f7e-b2c31ee190ff Tree House Combo 1
2020-12-22 00:00 <diva> Deleting object 0571e8d8-f9cf-436f-914f-dcd2b75b2543 Tree House Combo 1
2020-12-22 00:00 <diva> Deleting object 223a9729-252a-4388-9685-1c6d55a6b8c9 Tree House Combo 2
2020-12-22 00:00 <diva> Deleting object 7986feb6-a410-4b52-bd30-8686e4f683a7 Tree House Combo 2
2020-12-22 00:00 <diva> Deleting object 001fd5ce-ec72-43e3-80e0-23d42afad587 Tree House Combo 1
2020-12-22 00:00 <diva> Deleting object 201f0af9-d269-46e4-ae6e-84ce7a40aa66 Tree House Combo 1
2020-12-22 00:00 <diva> Deleting object 4981da0e-1634-4241-84ed-2cc1aba84125 Tree House Combo 2
2020-12-22 00:00 <diva> Deleting object e8d1bd57-0016-4b5d-a395-da52f72ac69f Tree House Combo 2
2020-12-22 00:00 <diva> Deleting object 561d2d58-fb14-46fe-8dc9-e91115a5d28e Tree House Combo 1
2020-12-22 00:01 <diva> it's been like that since 15:58 when I wrote that message above
2020-12-22 00:01 <diva> there's 32 objects to delete...
2020-12-22 00:01 <Ubit> hmm the actual deletes are after the search
2020-12-22 00:01 <diva> I don't know what's blocking this
2020-12-22 00:02 <Ubit> strange bc it is same call
2020-12-22 00:02 <Ubit>             foreach (SceneObjectGroup g in deletes)
2020-12-22 00:02 <Ubit>             {
2020-12-22 00:02 <Ubit>                 m_console.Output("Deleting object {0} {1}", g.UUID, g.Name);
2020-12-22 00:02 <Ubit>                 m_scene.DeleteSceneObject(g, false);
2020-12-22 00:02 <Ubit>             }
2020-12-22 00:02 <Ubit> as i had shown
2020-12-22 00:03 <diva> yeah. that's why I say this is not the regex, it's something else
2020-12-22 00:04 <Ubit> console output? :p
2020-12-22 00:04 <diva> no. Sometimes this is fast
2020-12-22 00:04 <diva> like, it's printing a message per 20-30 seconds!
2020-12-22 00:06 <Ubit> also goes to db
2020-12-22 00:07 <diva> it finally ended!
2020-12-22 00:07 <diva> 9 minutes!!!
2020-12-22 00:07 <Ubit> yeack
2020-12-22 00:09 <Ubit> does a db search then a delete
2020-12-22 00:10 <Ubit> searchs all prims by scene groupid
2020-12-22 00:10 <Ubit> the deletes those
2020-12-22 00:10 <diva> ok, I take it back osDie also runs into the same block
2020-12-22 00:10 <Ubit> it does
2020-12-22 00:10 <Ubit> as i said same final exec code
2020-12-22 00:11 <diva> yeah, so the question is why
2020-12-22 00:11 <diva> what's wrong in that code that makes it so slow sometimes?
2020-12-22 00:11 <Ubit> yeack db work is more complex than that
2020-12-22 00:12 <Ubit> looks for prims on based on sog id
2020-12-22 00:12 <Ubit> then deletes them
2020-12-22 00:12 <Ubit> then shapes
2020-12-22 00:12 <Ubit> then items
2020-12-22 00:13 <Ubit> grr this prims storage is insane
2020-12-22 00:13 <Ubit> (items == prim inventory )
2020-12-22 00:15 <Ubit> but again same as osDie.. so.. no idea
2020-12-22 00:15 <diva> this has been really slowing me down on my build... I am rezzing and unrezzing things all the time
2020-12-22 00:16 <diva> yeah so both osDie and conolse command can be slow
2020-12-22 00:16 <diva> the weird thing is that it's not always. Sometime it's fast. Exact same objects.
2020-12-22 00:16 <Ubit> catchs mysql in dif state?
2020-12-22 00:16 <Ubit> no idea
2020-12-22 00:17 <diva> are we going to the db prim by prim?
2020-12-22 00:17 <Ubit> per sog
2020-12-22 00:33 <diva> wait what? We're opening a new connection on every delete?!?
2020-12-22 00:33 <diva> wtf?
2020-12-22 00:34 <diva> why are we reading and then deleting?!
2020-12-22 00:34 <diva> that method is a complete head scratcher!
2020-12-22 00:35 <diva> wtf is a DBGuid?
2020-12-22 00:36 <diva> oh i see, we go there to fetch the prim UUIDs
2020-12-22 00:37 <diva> stiul don't understand why we don't do delete from prins where SceneGroupID=?UUID
2020-12-22 00:37 <diva> why do we need to go and select first
2020-12-22 00:38 <diva> oh ok, we need those UUIDs, apparently
2020-12-22 00:41 <diva> geez this is really a drag!
2020-12-22 00:41 <diva> ok what I don't understand is why we open a connection everytime!
2020-12-22 00:42 <Ubit> yeah no idea
2020-12-22 00:44 <diva> my god, this code is as slow as they come...
2020-12-22 00:44 <Ubit> yeah
2020-12-22 00:44 <Ubit> and on something the db is also slow
2020-12-22 00:45 <diva> there is at least one optimization we can do here by not closing the connection in lline 294, and closing it in 306
2020-12-22 00:45 <diva> unfortunately I don't have the setup for testing this now, but this one seems pretty obvious
2020-12-22 00:46 <diva> I mean we're opening and closing for deleting from prims table, and then opening/closing for deleting from primitems, and them open/close again for deleting from prinshapes!
2020-12-22 00:47 <diva> that's just brain dead
2020-12-22 00:47 <Ubit> yes seen that also
2020-12-22 00:47 <diva> can you try changing that and testing, if you hace a testing environment?
2020-12-22 00:47 <diva> unfortunately I'm in 0.9.1.1
2020-12-22 00:47 <Ubit> well as i said i would replace all those tables by just one, at most 2
2020-12-22 00:48 <Ubit> that shapes is a nonsense
2020-12-22 00:48 <Ubit> and all those fileds
2020-12-22 00:48 <Ubit> or columns
2020-12-22 00:48 <diva> yeah but we don't need to make that radical change in the schema to improve things
2020-12-22 00:48 <diva> opening/closing connections is super expebsive
2020-12-22 00:48 <Ubit> good thing it is a region only thing
2020-12-22 00:49 <Ubit> well with keepalives cost is reduced
2020-12-22 00:50 <Ubit> but connection  validation etc etc
2020-12-22 01:14 <diva> that DB code is absolutely brutal, it's designed to be slow... I'll try to remember to start here when I have time for opensim dev again
2020-12-22 01:26 <Plugh> What file are you looking at, Diva and Ubit?
2020-12-22 01:26 <Ubit> OpenSim\Data\MySQL\MySQLSimulationData.cs
2020-12-22 01:36 <Plugh> Line 291 is a delete from prims where ...
2020-12-22 01:38 <Plugh> Each step of RemoveObject, RemoveShapes, RemoveItems does a DB open and close.
2020-12-22 01:39 <Plugh> It does those three db opens/closes each time RemoveObject() is called.
2020-12-22 01:43 <Plugh> Why is the lock for RemoveItems commented out when it isn't in the other two functions?
2020-12-22 01:46 <Plugh> Would it be more efficient in 398 to use PrimID IN (<list of UUIDs>) instead of doing multiple "(PrimID=<uuid>) or ..."?
2020-12-22 01:48 <Plugh> A similar change could be made for the query generated in RemoveShapes in line 358.
2020-12-22 01:48 <diva> ok fun fact: delete is fast when there are no root agents in the region
2020-12-22 01:48 <diva> slow when there are
2020-12-22 01:48 <diva> basically the two threads are clashing on the lock
2020-12-22 01:49 <Ubit> hmm ?
2020-12-22 01:49 <Ubit> why is agent on same lock?
2020-12-22 01:49 <Ubit> well and what lock...
2020-12-22 01:50 <Plugh> Interesting. I'd still be inclined to change the generation of the two delete statements. 
2020-12-22 01:50 <Plugh> diva, they both use m_dbLock?
2020-12-22 01:51 <Ubit> i doing a mess changing that code :p
2020-12-22 02:04 <Ubit> oops ofc sql errors :)
2020-12-22 03:03 <osjenkins> Starting build #7443 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-22 03:07 <Ubit> did place all on same conn
2020-12-22 03:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7443: SUCCESS in 5 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7443/
2020-12-22 03:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte:  a few changes on mysql RemoveObject()
2020-12-22 03:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #7444 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-22 03:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7444: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7444/
2020-12-22 03:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: improve stringbuilder needed size estimation
2020-12-22 03:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #7445 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2020-12-22 03:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove replaced code
2020-12-22 03:47 <Ubit> Region (root) # delete object name --regex divas
2020-12-22 03:47 <Ubit> Are you sure that you want to delete 32 objects from ubittest11 [y/N]:
2020-12-22 03:49 <Ubit> 4.33 sec
2020-12-22 03:50 <Ubit> 32 objects, 8k prims
2020-12-22 03:50 <Ubit> region and db on same i7 box
2020-12-22 03:51 <Ubit> someone clever should had timed BF changing the code.. duhh
2020-12-22 04:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #7446 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-22 04:14 <Plugh> 4.33 seconds sounds reasonable.
2020-12-22 04:16 <Ubit> hope i don't have mysql data on the ssd  outch
2020-12-22 04:16 <Ubit> possible i have
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2020-12-22 04:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: similar change on StorePrimInventory
2020-12-22 04:17 <Ubit> i do.. buauuuu my poor ssd
2020-12-22 14:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #7447 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2020-12-22 14:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few changes to getregion(s)byName()
2020-12-22 16:11 <diva> well, osParcelSubdivide works https://imagebin.ca/v/5ldRxYswGEzA
2020-12-22 16:11 <Ubit> cool
2020-12-22 16:12 <diva> Ubit, about the delete prims from DB. Isn't there a background thread that does stuff on the DB? I seem to remember vaguely
2020-12-22 16:12 <Ubit> that is on other code paths
2020-12-22 16:12 <Ubit> this is the sync path
2020-12-22 16:13 <diva> yeah, what is it called? Backup or something?
2020-12-22 16:13 <Ubit> in world delete, take, take copy uses asyncdelete
2020-12-22 16:13 <Ubit> ( that does call this )
2020-12-22 16:14 <diva> it's backup
2020-12-22 16:15 <Ubit> AsyncSceneObjectGroupDeleter
2020-12-22 16:15 <Ubit> no backup does it sync
2020-12-22 16:15 <diva> what's that?
2020-12-22 16:15 <diva> tyhere's thread on backup
2020-12-22 16:15 <Ubit> the thing that does async deletes
2020-12-22 16:16 <Ubit> yes but backup is a store not a delete
2020-12-22 16:17 <diva> anyway, here's what I'm thinking: on the sync loop we shouldn't DELETE anything, because it's too slow. Instead, we should UPDATE marking those prims as deleted (add a column to that table). Then some background thread should go around and purge those rows periodically
2020-12-22 16:17 <Ubit> that maybe a can of worms
2020-12-22 16:17 <Ubit> some deletes are suposed to be sync
2020-12-22 16:18 <diva> "delete in world" = "mark DELETED in DB"
2020-12-22 16:18 <Ubit> delete in world uses \OpenSim\Region\Framework\Scenes\AsyncSceneObjectGroupDeleter.cs
2020-12-22 16:18 <diva> that would be synchronous and instantaneous
2020-12-22 16:19 <Ubit> yeah db could do it by a flag i gues
2020-12-22 16:20 <Ubit> but that thread would be calling it even when nothing to delete
2020-12-22 16:20 <Ubit> unless more error prone control is added
2020-12-22 16:20 <Ubit> some reagions have 100k prims
2020-12-22 16:20 <Ubit> not light scans
2020-12-22 16:20 <diva> s'ok. That's why I was asking about that backgroumd thread. If we already have one, we can add it a bit more payload for deleting scene objects marked DELETED
2020-12-22 16:21 <Ubit> we can't ask mysql to scan 100k things on 3 tables
2020-12-22 16:21 <diva> ?
2020-12-22 16:21 <Ubit> possible not even 10k
2020-12-22 16:21 <diva> it woudln't be 3 tables
2020-12-22 16:22 <Ubit> prims info is are on 3 tables
2020-12-22 16:22 <diva> we would only mark the prims table. Then for every scene object marked DELETED we would go to the other 2 tables and actually delete the related iteems and shapes
2020-12-22 16:22 <Ubit> add another table with just the flag ?
2020-12-22 16:22 <Ubit> well even so its a potencial 100k prims scan
2020-12-22 16:23 <diva> so what? That's what indexes are for!
2020-12-22 16:23 <Ubit> i love my ssd ty
2020-12-22 16:23 <Ubit> :p
2020-12-22 16:23 <diva> seletc * from prims where state='DELETED' or whatever
2020-12-22 16:23 <Ubit> who cares about indexes .. 100K items are 100k items
2020-12-22 16:23 <diva> this doesn't need to be done very often. Once an hour should be fine
2020-12-22 16:24 <Tampa> OpenSim on hdd is basically dead anyways as soon as you put a little bit of load on it db performance breaks down rapidly
2020-12-22 16:24 <Ubit> yeah
2020-12-22 16:25 <Ubit> but i should add installed this myslq on my hdd :)
2020-12-22 16:25 <Tampa> Don't go to far with references though just look at how bad that is for groups now
2020-12-22 16:25 <Ubit> yeah all this scales up badly :(
2020-12-22 16:26 <Tampa> Not to mention primitems has weird race conditions that result in data being written, deleted, written etc until it eventually figures out what to put in db, that heavily impacts saving operations and I can
2020-12-22 16:26 <Tampa> 't figure out why
2020-12-22 16:26 <Ubit> well a lot of deletes already happen on limited threads
2020-12-22 16:27 <Tampa> I think pmac or something like that is the cause, some "floating" prim contents, but not sure
2020-12-22 16:27 <Ubit> if one asks for delete on console one should really expect it to fully do it
2020-12-22 16:27 <Ubit> or more mess on shutdown or region crashes
2020-12-22 16:28 <Ubit> ppl already complains that our asyncDelete on ocasions leaves things behind
2020-12-22 16:28 <diva> if you don't want to touch the DB when there are no DELETED prims, then have a flag in memory stating whether the DB is dirty or not. 
2020-12-22 16:28 <Ubit> that is a regions side db
2020-12-22 16:28 <Ubit> we are more free to change it
2020-12-22 16:29 <Ubit> as long we don't lose things and stuff
2020-12-22 16:29 <diva> We would go to the DB for deletion: (1) at startup, (2) and shutdown, (3) periodically after checking the dirty flag
2020-12-22 16:30 <diva> I'll add this to the list of things to do when I have time... this delay on deletes has been driving nuts for years!
2020-12-22 16:31 <Ubit> well and it is there on other insane ops link link/unlink etc
2020-12-22 16:31 <Ubit> like..
2020-12-22 16:31 <Ubit> but needed there
2020-12-22 16:32 <Tampa> In terms of handling prims there is something funky going on anyways
2020-12-22 16:32 <Ubit> your regions are funky period
2020-12-22 16:32 <Ubit> 
ACTION runs and hides

2020-12-22 16:32 <Tampa> When I leave a region be for months then come back to building on it and change prims, say position and scale, they "snap" back into their original state
2020-12-22 16:33 <Tampa> I can never figure out why that is, usually running backup on console seems to help
2020-12-22 16:33 <Tampa> Restarting it as well, but it tends to come back as well
2020-12-22 16:33 <Ubit> opensim running for months is miracle
2020-12-22 16:34 <Tampa> Well it also happens if I rebooted it, it seems to have to do with how "old" the prims are more than anything
2020-12-22 16:34 <Ubit> not even .net crap survices months of runtime
2020-12-22 16:34 <Tampa> OpenSim happily runs for years, got a region up to 380 days
2020-12-22 16:34 <Tampa> Key is not visiting it lol
2020-12-22 16:34 <Ubit> ( and he have the enviroment.tickcount bug )
2020-12-22 16:35 <Ubit> i did replace it but not everywhere
2020-12-22 16:35 <diva> My vlab runs for months on end without reboot
2020-12-22 16:35 <Ubit> that can blow up in 29 days or so
2020-12-22 16:36 <Tampa> It has been happening less often, if it does I really need to take video so you lot don't think I take weird pills for breakfast
2020-12-22 16:36 <Ubit> well guess idle regions can survive longer
2020-12-22 16:37 <diva> I believe you. I found another bug yesterday, this is is quite reproducible: mark a prim as locked, then unlock it => the perms are all wrong. Can't edit it until I force permissions 
2020-12-22 16:38 <Tampa>  themepark1    | running    | 152-03:37:01
2020-12-22 16:44 <Ubit> well i changed regions uri parsing a bit more
2020-12-22 16:44 <Ubit> it should understand more formats ( or blow up badly )
2020-12-22 16:46 <Ubit> on map search viewers will fail unless is not a full url, or it is and a exact match was found
2020-12-22 16:47 <Ubit> you can paste like hop://ajld.dynip.sapo.pt:9004/ubittest13 on map search and should work now
2020-12-22 16:47 <Ubit> hop|!!ajld.dynip.sapo.pt:9004/ubittest13
2020-12-22 16:48 <Ubit> hop|!!ajld.dynip.sapo.pt:9004|ubittest13
2020-12-22 16:49 <Ubit> hg|!!ajld.dynip.sapo.pt:9004:ubittest13
2020-12-22 16:49 <Ubit> http|!!ajld.dynip.sapo.pt:9004:ubittest13
2020-12-22 16:49 <Ubit> those | !! are a old diva hack
2020-12-22 16:49 <Ubit> | == :  ! == /
2020-12-22 16:50 <Ubit> no longer needed.. but well ppl try to use strange old viewers
2020-12-22 16:51 <Ubit> gezz why in hell we allow ppl to do HG directly at login?
2020-12-22 16:51 <Ubit> and OFC another url format
2020-12-22 16:52 <Ubit> where did  region@host:port x y z   did come from?
2020-12-22 16:52 <Ubit> gezz
2020-12-22 16:53 <Ubit> anyone uses that?
2020-12-22 16:57 <Tampa> hg on login? no don't think I have ever seen that used
2020-12-22 16:58 <Ubit> yeah code to handlee that region@grid
2020-12-22 16:58 <Ubit> kinda workd... just my viewer failed to do udp  connection
2020-12-22 16:59 <Ubit> gezz i can't parse that format
2020-12-22 16:59 <Ubit> hmmm i did add username parsing
2020-12-22 16:59 <Ubit> mb i can
2020-12-22 17:11 <Ubit> ok that was added by one 'Diva'
2020-12-22 17:11 <Ubit> gezzz how many formats to we need to spec a HG url
2020-12-22 17:35 <diva> there were 'reasons' :-)
2020-12-22 17:35 <Ubit> idea is cool
2020-12-22 17:35 <Ubit> not sure will work
2020-12-22 17:36 <Ubit> for now.. why my viewer can't connect .. duuhh
2020-12-22 17:37 <Ubit> gezz why did alicia considered we needed less than one meter precision on coords?
2020-12-22 17:37 <Ubit> i don't parse those as floats.. grr
2020-12-22 17:46 <Ubit> well and does not work. no agent update sent
2020-12-22 17:58 <Ubit> odd
2020-12-22 18:00 <Ubit> hmmm
2020-12-22 18:00 <Ubit>         private static bool IsRealLogin(TeleportFlags teleportFlags)
2020-12-22 18:00 <Ubit>         {
2020-12-22 18:00 <Ubit>             return ((teleportFlags & TeleportFlags.ViaLogin) != 0) && ((teleportFlags & TeleportFlags.ViaHGLogin) == 0);
2020-12-22 18:00 <Ubit>         }
2020-12-22 18:00 <Ubit> this is why
2020-12-22 18:00 <Ubit> odd also old code
2020-12-23 02:00 -!- ChristophBalhaus(~Christoph@h2867064.stratoserver.net) has left #opensim-dev
2020-12-23 06:06 <osmantis> Bug #8838:04 All inventory "Unavailable" when I'm on another grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8838 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-23 06:12 <osmantis> Bug #8814:04 Alpha causes loop: "DEBUG [UPLOAD BAKED TEXTURE HANDLER]: Received baked texture" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8814 ): has been RESOLVED.
2020-12-23 15:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #7448 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2020-12-23 15:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: changes on agenthandlers: simplify HG only agentposthandler, etc
2020-12-23 15:49 <Ubit> oops
2020-12-23 15:55 <Ubit> and has also
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2020-12-23 16:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: Ooops, agentposthandler as a variable path
2020-12-24 00:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #7450 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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2020-12-24 00:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: changes on some robust map, connectors, map file read, etc
2020-12-24 05:30 <diva> how does osSetDynamicTextureData work> I am rying the examples on our wiki but always get a grey texture. What am I doing wring?
2020-12-24 05:43 <diva> n/m the viewer sometimes gets stuck on fetching new textures after a while. A relog fixes this
2020-12-24 14:58 <Ubit> should not happen.. but well.. thingss
2020-12-24 15:42 <Ubit> <Ubit> "First of all, the best and most radical method of preventing thread starvation is not writing code. :-)"
2020-12-24 15:42 <Ubit> <Ubit> that applies to bugs also!!
2020-12-24 17:02 <Tampa> @diva do you have a different system to test on? Make sure you have required dependencies installed
2020-12-24 17:03 <Tampa> Few things that can cause this, but mainly system stuff, only other cause can be lack of db connection for assets
2020-12-24 17:07 <djphil> This is a fairly well-known problem, it also happens to me very  occasionally
2020-12-24 17:07 <djphil> It is not necessary to restart for this to work
2020-12-24 17:07 <djphil> Simply select the gray face and apply a blank texture
2020-12-24 17:07 <djphil> Then recompile the script and it's ok normally
2020-12-24 17:08 <Tampa> Wonder if that's a cache somewhere breaking...
2020-12-24 17:09 <Tampa> Reminds me, latest FS seems to react positively lowering the cache size down to like 2gb
2020-12-24 17:09 <Tampa> Seems the cache is the cause for some mesh stuff not loading right, especially avatars
2020-12-24 17:10 <Tampa> Can't quite figure out why that'd be though
2020-12-24 17:10 <Tampa> Seems counter intuitive in a way, guess bad writing operation for mesh... unlikely
2020-12-24 17:43 <diva> thanks fo rthe tip, djphil
2020-12-24 17:45 <djphil> If you apply a blanck texture every time, you shouldn't have the problem anymore. Just apply blank texture just before dynamic texture.
2020-12-24 17:46 <Ubit> that is so odd
2020-12-24 17:46 <Ubit> never seen that issue
2020-12-24 17:46 <Ubit> gezz
2020-12-24 17:47 <Tampa> It is also odd that clearing viewer cache makes them all go away some times as well
2020-12-24 17:47 <Tampa> Or even just randomly
2020-12-24 17:47 <Tampa> Keep having to reload a few of them as they just blank over time
2020-12-24 17:48 <djphil> It's really random Ubit. It happens to me but really very rarely. I never understood why exactly unfortunately
2020-12-24 17:48 <Tampa> dynamic textures called dynamic cause their failures are lol
2020-12-24 17:48 <Tampa> Should call em random textures xD
2020-12-24 17:49 <Tampa> At least with recent libgdi they render properly and don't leak memory anymore, used to have blurry text everywhere
2020-12-24 17:50 <djphil> Luckily with Dyn Texture I can always display my Npc on my Map texture: p
2020-12-24 17:50 <djphil> I have blue dots for the male npc and pink for the female npc, it's so cool :)
2020-12-24 17:51 <Tampa> That's a whole different issue in itself, somethings funky with the dots as of late, either they fail to show entirely or stick around for days until you teleport to that region
2020-12-24 17:51 <Tampa> It should regularly update like once every 30 minutes I think is the timeout max
2020-12-24 17:52 <Tampa> Somehow doesn't do that anymore or the request fails, think Ubit did make some change recently, haven't tried that yet, still trying to understand map connector code
2020-12-24 17:54 <Ubit> i told a few times.. npcs are out of map on core
2020-12-24 17:54 <diva> well, I'm seeing problame with grey textures that go beyond dynamic textures... From time to time, the viewer stops showing newly uploaded textures. I think it's the same problem.
2020-12-24 17:55 <diva> I'll try applying the blank texture then too, when it happens to me again
2020-12-24 18:03 <Tampa> Not the npcs, people, actual avatars are iffy
2020-12-24 18:03 <Ubit> they look fine..
2020-12-24 18:04 <Ubit> remember viewers do cache that 
2020-12-24 18:04 <Ubit> not a fast thing
2020-12-24 18:04 <Tampa> Like I said I don't know what's going on which end this is, perhaps just miscommunication between the two, still reading code
2020-12-24 18:04 <Ubit> ( and no relation to the map image diferent code )
2020-12-24 18:05 <Tampa> Somethings up with it, not sure what it is yet or how to reproduce
2020-12-24 18:20 <Ubit> seems fine at lbsa and osg
2020-12-24 18:20 <Ubit> ofc most regions have no dots and that is right :)
2020-12-24 18:21 <Ubit> hg is a fail, ofc
2020-12-24 18:23 <Ubit> terrain image kinda worked on v1 viewers when it was a asset
2020-12-24 18:54 <diva> Q abut dyn textures: I assume they don't get stored in the asset server? Or do they?
2020-12-24 19:00 <Ubit> no
2020-12-24 19:00 <Ubit> local region cache only
2020-12-24 19:01 <Ubit> well that can cause issues on nearby regions :(
2020-12-24 19:01 <diva> do they survie a reboot of the region?
2020-12-24 19:02 <Ubit> silly viewers ask thinks by wrong paths, bc that does not happen you know where :)
2020-12-24 19:02 <Ubit> yes they do
2020-12-24 19:02 <Ubit> as long you don't delete the assetscache :)
2020-12-24 19:02 <diva> k, great
2020-12-24 19:04 <Ubit> thinking a trick to mk that permanent... but not going to test :)
2020-12-24 19:04 <Ubit> we have no comand to do that
2020-12-24 19:05 <Ubit> if i added one Mel would have a thing.. she hates dyn :)
2020-12-24 19:05 <Ubit> well good reasons ppl used them full speed updating display tables etc
2020-12-24 19:05 <Ubit> bye bye cpu
2020-12-24 19:06 <Ubit> display boards even..
2020-12-24 19:08 <Ubit> damm ms
2020-12-24 19:09 <Ubit> the same threads starvation code pattern reported in 2018 still does the same stupid mess
2020-12-24 19:10 <Ubit> program stops doing anything but adding a new thread per second ( on win) until something blows up
2020-12-24 19:10 <Ubit> wonder if we do have that issue hidden somewhere
2020-12-24 19:11 <Ubit> https://medium.com/criteo-labs/net-threadpool-starvation-and-how-queuing-makes-it-worse-512c8d570527
2020-12-24 19:11 <Ubit> tested that
2020-12-24 19:12 <Ubit> with 5 threads per sec by box does hold
2020-12-24 19:12 <Ubit> with 10..  boing... nonsense crap
2020-12-24 19:12 <Ubit> ( Thread.Sleep(200); -> Thread.Sleep(100); )
2020-12-24 19:13 <Ubit> how can something with issues like this be considered serius??
2020-12-24 19:13 <Ubit> gezz
2020-12-24 19:16 <Ubit> and why im wearing the damm mask sitting alone on my pc with my cats?? gezz
2020-12-24 19:34 <Ubit> gezz sl pub on yt
2020-12-24 19:35 <Ubit> ( payed one at start and middle of other videoa )
2020-12-24 22:22 <Plugh> Ubit, It is because the cats don't know they are supposed to respect the social distancing guidelines. :)
2020-12-24 23:04 <Ubit> yeah both on top of me one 10cm from my face
2020-12-24 23:05 <Ubit> ohh she moved.. 20cm now
2020-12-24 23:22 <diva> why would a prim without any scripts make the pointer switch to "touch" ?
2020-12-24 23:23 <Ubit> a exibicionist prim
2020-12-24 23:23 <Ubit> no idea
2020-12-24 23:27 <Ubit> a new one or a reused ?
2020-12-24 23:28 <diva> reused. 
2020-12-24 23:28 <Ubit> guess a flag got stuck somehow
2020-12-24 23:28 <diva> I mean, it's a copy of one that had a touch_start event at some point
2020-12-24 23:34 <Ubit> well 0.92 seems to clear the flag both on recompile the sript after remove the event, or after deleting script
2020-12-24 23:34 <Ubit> mb 911 has a issue on one of those cases :(
2020-12-24 23:34 <Ubit> i should had skipped 911 making it 912 gezz
2020-12-24 23:36 <Ubit> a restart will clear that i think ??
2020-12-24 23:37 <Ubit> or a kick, like putting a script and delete
2020-12-24 23:43 <Ubit> i kinda remember changing code around those things on 92
2020-12-24 23:44 <Ubit> not exactly bc such bug
2020-12-24 23:51 <Ubit> oh no mid night mass
2020-12-24 23:52 <Ubit> well not if corona thing or they stopped having it on this church near me
2020-12-24 23:54 <Ubit> hmm vatican had one 2 hours sooner bc italy curfew
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2020-12-25 00:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: silly null ref
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2020-12-25 00:49 <snik> Merry Xmas :)
2020-12-25 00:49 <Ubit> :)
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2020-12-25 00:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
2020-12-25 15:47 <diva> my viewer just did it again, the grey textures. It happens when I'm logged in for many hours, like, over night.
2020-12-25 15:57 <djphil> Good to know :) And you tried to apply a white texture to correct without restarting?
2020-12-25 15:58 <diva> yeah. didn't work either. Had to relog
2020-12-25 16:00 <djphil> Weird, for me it works
2020-12-25 16:00 <djphil> I will leave my viewer connected tonight to see if I manage to reproduce the gray texture
2020-12-25 18:47 <piusnoel> I cant reproduce the grey textures that go beyond dynamic texture, nor an issue with freshly uploaded textures. I will leave my viewer on over night too. 
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2020-12-25 22:55 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: move servicesGodAgentID to Constants.cs
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2020-12-26 00:16 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: comment out direct HG tp at login option that just does not work
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2020-12-26 02:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove a spurius ; and change another string empty check
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2020-12-26 03:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: simplify HeloServiceInConnector a bit
2020-12-26 03:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #7457 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-26 03:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7457: SUCCESS in 4 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7457/
2020-12-26 03:38 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: simplify GridInfoHandlers a bit
2020-12-26 03:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #7458 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-26 04:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7458: SUCCESS in 4 min 50 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7458/
2020-12-26 04:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: simplify RestGetGridInfoMethod a bit more
2020-12-26 09:49 <piusnoel> now, after 15 hours, still no grey textures.  Firestorm 6.4.12 (62831)/OpenSim 0.9.2.0 Yeti Dev   b4b1c45 , both on Ubuntu 20.04.
2020-12-26 13:14 <osmantis> Bug #8838:04 All inventory "Unavailable" when I'm on another grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8838 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-26 13:50 <djphil> I also try this night but I could not reproduce the problem here ... I stayed connected all night (more than 10h) and no gray texture for me. (FS 6.4.1.x on 0.9.2.x Yeti Dev under Win10).
2020-12-26 14:03 <Ai_Austin> Hi, is Ubit online?  Happy Christmas everyone
2020-12-26 14:03 <Ubit> happy xmas
2020-12-26 14:04 <Ubit> i don't see HGInventoryServiceConstructorArg anywhere
2020-12-26 14:04 <Ai_Austin> yep :-) I upgrade from 1009 from 22-Dec to latest 1020 Ubit and am getting an error related to that 
2020-12-26 14:05 <Ubit> grr there should no change on that
2020-12-26 14:05 <Ai_Austin> I can't see where it is set or changed. I am using bog standard unmodified code
2020-12-26 14:05 <Ai_Austin> 12:58:31 - [LLOGIN SERVICE]: You are using HGInventoryServiceConstructorArg, which is deprecated. See example file for correct syntax.
2020-12-26 14:05 <Ubit> HGInventoryServicePlugin = "HGInventoryService@OpenSim.Services.HypergridService.dll:HGSuitcaseInventoryService"
2020-12-26 14:05 <Ai_Austin> On both my grids
2020-12-26 14:05 <Ubit> is the correct robust entry
2020-12-26 14:05 <Ai_Austin> let me check again
2020-12-26 14:05 <Ubit> ok i see my bug
2020-12-26 14:06 <Ai_Austin>     HGInventoryServicePlugin = "HGInventoryService@OpenSim.Services.HypergridService.dll:HGSuitcaseInventoryService"
2020-12-26 14:06 <Ai_Austin> :-)
2020-12-26 14:07 <Ubit> yeah i have a bad ! there
2020-12-26 14:07 <piusnoel> merry xmas :)
2020-12-26 14:08 <Ai_Austin> While on. Robust.HG.ini.example does refer to there being an example of how to handle added args in the .cs source file, but I could not see anything there in comments or the code sections.. should there be a comment added in HGSuitcaseInventoryService.cs
2020-12-26 14:08 <Ai_Austin> Merry Christmas to you too piusnoel
2020-12-26 14:10 <Ai_Austin> AND also in Robust.HG.ini.example near the top there is a comment abiout  the config/setup for HG 1.5. maybe that should just be removed as 2.0 is the default, and its clear from the later examples of how to set up for 2.0, 1.5 and 1.0
2020-12-26 14:10 <Ai_Austin> Just to tidy up
2020-12-26 14:13 <piusnoel> when I used it the first time it sounded unclear to me giving a feeling of outdated. so I assembled my Robust.HG.ini from scratch. Finally I found out it was o.k. 
2020-12-26 14:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #7459 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-26 14:22 <Ubit> hmm no idea why standalone hg still defines that
2020-12-26 14:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7459: SUCCESS in 5 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7459/
2020-12-26 14:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a recent bug on login service hg inventory
2020-12-26 14:29 <Ai_Austin> Thx Ubit.. will try again now.  The Robust.HG.ini.example comment talking about HG1.5 config I was  to is for grid hypergrid 
2020-12-26 14:45 <Ubit> well diva is around, mb she should look
2020-12-26 14:46 <Ai_Austin> All working fine now Ubit. Thx
2020-12-26 14:46 <Ubit> cool, thx for spotig the bug
2020-12-26 14:46 <Ubit> reading ranting about protbuf :)
2020-12-26 14:47 <Ai_Austin> I think the comment near the top of Robust.HG.ini.example is just a hangover .. the section for HG config is clear how to set up for 1.0, 1.5 and 2.,0 and shows 2.0 as default.  I would just remove the comments about HG 1.5 config that precede the [Const] section at t top of that file and it will be less misleading 
2020-12-26 14:48 <Ubit> possible a "left over"
2020-12-26 14:49 <Ai_Austin> If @Diva is around there will be some changes needed to Wifi and her support addon-modules to handle the changes you made just after 949 (opensim-0.9.2.0Dev-949-g822f381).  Her code overwrites the changes there at the moment 
2020-12-26 14:50 <Ubit> yes she knows that
2020-12-26 14:50 <Ai_Austin> Great.
2020-12-26 14:50 <Ubit> but we didn't release 92 
2020-12-26 14:50 <Ubit> :)
2020-12-26 14:50 <Ai_Austin> I hesitate to ask on that :-)
2020-12-26 14:50 <Ai_Austin> I apprecviate Diva will not update Wifi until 0.9.2.0 is released
2020-12-26 14:51 <Ubit> she is now busy setting up a grid for her students
2020-12-26 14:51 <Ubit> seen her streaming on tw?
2020-12-26 14:52 <Ubit> to avoid issues for now, she used 911 
2020-12-26 14:52 <Ai_Austin> yes, using the latest stable 0.9.1.1. She would be better off using 0.9.2.0 though as its MUCH better :-)
2020-12-26 14:52 <Ubit> well seems i made near 1000 commits on top of 911
2020-12-26 14:53 <Ubit> some adding typos then fixing them ;)
2020-12-26 14:54 <Ai_Austin> I never noticed that :-)
2020-12-26 14:54 <Ubit> but don't notice much imp.. GC does eat memory gains code does added etc
2020-12-26 14:54 <Ubit> yeack
2020-12-26 14:55 <Ubit> but the use of fs on 911 can be a bit trick, if ppl forget about the needed assets
2020-12-26 14:55 <Ubit> so fs beening eep only is a pressure to release 92
2020-12-26 14:56 <Ai_Austin> Okay!  I will ask then... 
2020-12-26 14:56 <Ubit> no idea :p
2020-12-26 14:56 <Ai_Austin> when do you think (roughly) may 0.9.2.0 be released?
2020-12-26 14:56 <Ai_Austin> hehe
2020-12-26 14:57 <Ubit> i need to stop adding bugs.. osgrid should update and release
2020-12-26 14:57 <Ubit> then let osg ppl run it for a while
2020-12-26 14:57 <Ubit> and them and other grid reposting issues..
2020-12-26 14:57 <Ubit> reporting
2020-12-26 14:58 <Ubit> then us remember how to actually do a release :p
2020-12-26 14:59 <Ubit> well not that rocket science
2020-12-26 14:59 <Ai_Austin> Okay... Openvue and AiLand are up to date now
2020-12-26 14:59 <Ubit> the automatic builds are almost one
2020-12-26 15:00 <Ubit> think we just ship some ini files for simple standalone
2020-12-26 15:00 <Ubit> ie copies of ini.example
2020-12-26 15:01 <Ubit> so a tiny easier for first time standalone fire out of our bins
2020-12-26 15:07 <Ai_Austin> I think that would be a good idea and let people run a copy out of the box. Its not hard to setup the 4 or so files d needed but it is a multi-stage process and easy to miss some part./ 
2020-12-26 15:08 <Ai_Austin> the Flotsamcache.ini is an example of where it woudl be easier to provide one by default 9 espec as its the only cache now!)
2020-12-26 15:08 <Ubit> yeah we do ship it.. or should
2020-12-26 15:09 <Ai_Austin> Not at the moment
2020-12-26 15:09 <Ai_Austin> only flotsamcache.ini.example is there
2020-12-26 15:09 <Ubit> on the release bins
2020-12-26 15:09 <Ubit> not on sources
2020-12-26 15:09 <Ai_Austin> ah, could be. I use the dev master
2020-12-26 15:09 <Ai_Austin> got it
2020-12-26 15:24 <diva> Updating Wifi is on my TODO list for this week
2020-12-26 15:24 <diva> Ubit when do we release 92?
2020-12-26 15:24 <Ubit> still no idea :(
2020-12-26 15:25 <diva> what's wrong with it?
2020-12-26 15:25 <Ubit> all? :)
2020-12-26 15:25 <diva> no seriously, what's the holdup? :)
2020-12-26 15:26 <Ubit> only one really thing i do need to add still
2020-12-26 15:26 <Ubit> that is recover the automatic retry of uploading assets to grid, i took out on last changes
2020-12-26 15:27 <Ubit> but includes original 0.9x can or worms
2020-12-26 15:27 <Ubit> a paid upload MUST be inline and give $ back
2020-12-26 15:28 <Ubit> and a few others
2020-12-26 15:28 <Ubit> we have no provision for that anywhere
2020-12-26 15:29 <Ubit> code just assumes that all just works
2020-12-26 15:30 <diva> I don't know what that is... if you took out, it should be easy to put back, no?
2020-12-26 15:30 <Ubit> 9x does fill short temporary grid side fails.. but may totally lose assets with no report 
2020-12-26 15:30 <Ubit> yeah as 9x it is easy
2020-12-26 15:31 <Ubit> but those issues
2020-12-26 15:34 <Ubit> i started adding it back with a parameter to allow retry, of fail inline
2020-12-26 15:35 <Ubit> but.. yeah spargetty and need dig all use cases
2020-12-26 15:36 <Ubit> but grids need to be able to shut assets for short periods at least
2020-12-26 15:37 <Ubit> well that is something i need to add that is not "cosmetics" or try to improve performance
2020-12-26 15:37 <Ubit> well we need :)
2020-12-26 16:34 <Ai_Austin> Diva.. I will look out my message... an interface changed about a month ago.  hang on
2020-12-26 16:40 <Ubit> gezz first corona vaccines did arrived and where moved to a few of our major hospitals
2020-12-26 16:40 <Ubit> this small number will be only for those hospital staff
2020-12-26 16:40 <Ai_Austin> Change at this commit is the relevant info... http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commitdiff&p=opensim&h=2f66a82cbeb5ae8eb7c66a13f8a1c2a75c788e69
2020-12-26 16:40 <Ubit> but.. they moved them around with heavy police escort
2020-12-26 16:41 <Ubit> more police than trucks filled with $$
2020-12-26 16:41 <Ubit> wonder what they fear...
2020-12-26 16:42 <Ubit> ai.. diva will do it in time 
2020-12-26 16:42 <Ubit> no point fixing wifi bf stable release
2020-12-26 16:43 <Ubit> wifi code just breaks with small changes on core
2020-12-26 16:43 <Ubit> in fact even other modules less bound to core code do break unless compiled at same time
2020-12-26 16:44 <Ubit> like we seen with gloebits 
2020-12-26 16:45 <diva> thanks Ai
2020-12-26 16:45 <Ubit> but that change is actually hard to spot
2020-12-26 16:45 <Ubit> all seems to work..
2020-12-26 16:46 <Ai_Austin> Wifi and necessary addons source as at 0.9.1.1 still works on versions after that, but they override the change Ubit made there (in OpenSim.Services.UserAccountService I assume?) , so the bugs reported in are still there if WiFi is added on as is.
2020-12-26 16:48 <Ai_Austin> Understood Ubit. just trying to point to only change I am aware of that causes an issue. 
2020-12-26 16:48 <Ubit> ty, it is really a hard case to spot.. wifi just seems work fine
2020-12-26 16:51 <Ai_Austin> Yes. that's why I highlighted it. WiFi actually works now, but Mantis 8802 will come back.. where the online status of an avatar gets stuck so returns fail. 
2020-12-26 16:57 <diva> Ubit, if I change a bunch of individual prims in a linkset to PhysicsShape=None, that'll help lower the computing load, yes?
2020-12-26 16:57 <Ai_Austin> The constant asset upload repeats can be very odd.. could it be in some cases that its trying to upload an asset that already exists?  or a UUID that is banned? I have seen things essentially trying forever until the server is restarted. Not recently though.
2020-12-26 16:58 <diva> what exactly does that do?
2020-12-26 16:58 <Ubit> that do? is about physics or ai question?
2020-12-26 16:58 <Ubit> Ai that is tempory dead
2020-12-26 16:58 <Ai_Austin> physics - we overlapped
2020-12-26 16:59 <Ubit> master does not do retries
2020-12-26 16:59 <Ubit> i was just telling i need to add that back
2020-12-26 16:59 <Ubit> just retries are not a good thing on all cases like paied uploads
2020-12-26 17:00 <Ubit> PhysicsShape=None takes the prim out of physics
2020-12-26 17:00 <Ai_Austin> ah, that's why I have not seen that repeat upload issue recently then.  If its done maybe the cause ought to be made clearer if it says it fails and is to be retried as I am convinced sometime there is no obvious reason. Thx
2020-12-26 17:03 <diva> I think I'm going to end up with 160 students... 40 per simulator. I need to optimize everything
2020-12-26 17:05 <Ai_Austin> Bye for now folks.. hope your Christmas continues to be good.
2020-12-26 17:05 <Ubit> same Ai
2020-12-26 17:05 <Ubit> thanks for the misisng '!' spot
2020-12-26 17:06 <diva> Bye Ai
2020-12-26 17:06 <Ai_Austin> Glad to help. Thx.
2020-12-26 17:13 <Ubit> so yes diva.. less things for physics to check for collisions with avatars etc
2020-12-28 14:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #7460 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-28 15:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7460: SUCCESS in 5 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7460/
2020-12-28 15:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: no keepalive on gridinfo
2020-12-28 18:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #7461 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-28 18:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7461: SUCCESS in 3 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7461/
2020-12-28 18:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: assetbase: comment out log messages
2020-12-28 20:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #7462 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-28 20:05 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7462: SUCCESS in 4 min 5 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7462/
2020-12-28 20:05 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: update libomv
2020-12-28 20:05 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: save a few ns
2020-12-28 21:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #7463 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-28 21:06 <Ubit> runprebuild !!
2020-12-28 21:06 <Ubit> ( yes ofc i forgot )
2020-12-28 21:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7463: SUCCESS in 3 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7463/
2020-12-28 21:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: simplify xbakes service
2020-12-28 21:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #7464 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-28 21:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7464: SUCCESS in 3 min 59 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7464/
2020-12-28 21:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: simplify xbakes service a bit more
2020-12-29 02:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #7465 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-29 02:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7465: SUCCESS in 3 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7465/
2020-12-29 02:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: xbakes, we even avoid another array copy since httpRequest.InputStream is a memorystream with origin = 0
2020-12-29 03:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #7466 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-29 03:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7466: SUCCESS in 3 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7466/
2020-12-29 03:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: update libomv
2020-12-29 04:27 <osjenkins> Starting build #7467 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-29 04:31 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7467: SUCCESS in 3 min 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7467/
2020-12-29 04:31 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a debug message on agenthandlers processRequest
2020-12-29 09:09 <osmantis> Bug #8839:04 Added a new function osSHA256 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8839 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-12-29 13:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #7468 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-29 13:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7468: FAILURE in 2 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7468/
2020-12-29 13:33 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: added a new function string=osSHA256(string)
2020-12-29 13:33 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add missing lsl stub for llXorBase64
2020-12-29 13:33 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: clean tabs from osSHA256 patch (mantis 8839)
2020-12-29 13:34 <Ubit> what now jenkis?
2020-12-29 13:35 <Ubit> hmm
2020-12-29 13:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #7469 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7467 9 hr 11 min ago)
2020-12-29 13:42 <osmantis> Bug #8839:04 Added a new function osSHA256 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8839 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-29 13:43 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-12-29 13:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7469: FIXED in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7469/
2020-12-29 13:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: better also add llXorBase64  to lsl api
2020-12-29 14:08 <djphil> osSHA256 go to string section or misc section ?
2020-12-29 14:34 <Ubit> misc i guess
2020-12-29 14:35 <djphil> ok, is there
2020-12-29 14:35 <Ubit>  llSay(0, llSHA1String("Hello, Avatar!")); // returns 2E73318E547AF1B28CC0C96F95DDC9B1EE906B8D
2020-12-29 14:35 <Ubit> duhh it returns lower case
2020-12-29 14:35 <djphil> i just update my sim to create the exemple
2020-12-29 14:35 <Ubit> we have it right sl wiki has it wrong
2020-12-29 14:36 <djphil> Let's continue like this
2020-12-29 14:37 <Ubit> im adding ANOTHER damm bytes to hex
2020-12-29 14:37 <Ubit> gezzz
2020-12-29 14:38 <djphil> And much more :)
2020-12-29 14:39 <djphil> i have tested the new estate options from alicia
2020-12-29 14:39 <djphil> seems woking fine but we need now a ossl to het region estate
2020-12-29 14:39 <djphil> get*
2020-12-29 14:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #7470 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-12-29 14:42 <djphil> Hmmm missing highlight for osSHA256
2020-12-29 14:42 <Ubit> oops
2020-12-29 14:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7470: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7470/
2020-12-29 14:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add another form of bytesToHexString(byte[] bytes, bool lowercase)
2020-12-29 14:46 <Ubit> to?? do !!
2020-12-29 14:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #7471 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-29 14:46 <piusnoel> it's only the sl wiki that is wrong. SL returns lowercase too.
2020-12-29 14:46 <Ubit> yeah
2020-12-29 14:47 <Ubit> had to go there check ( used the sha1 to test the bytestohex )
2020-12-29 14:49 <Ubit> HighNibbleToHexByteCharLowcaps gezz the names i give to things
2020-12-29 14:49 <piusnoel> lol
2020-12-29 14:50 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7471: SUCCESS in 4 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7471/
2020-12-29 14:50 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops better really to the upper case version
2020-12-29 15:43 <osmantis> Bug #8840:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] Many empty values returned by llGetEnv 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8840 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2020-12-29 16:24 <osmantis> Bug #8840:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] Many empty values returned by llGetEnv 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8840 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-29 16:29 <osmantis> Bug #8840:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] Many empty values returned by llGetEnv 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8840 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-12-29 17:25 <osmantis> Bug #8839:04 Added a new function osSHA256 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8839 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-12-29 17:25 <osmantis> Bug #8839:04 Added a new function osSHA256 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8839 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-12-29 17:26 <osmantis> Bug #8839:04 Added a new function osSHA256 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8839 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-29 17:26 <djphil> I don't know how to send a proprer patch :s
2020-12-29 17:27 <Ubit> and current code is not like that anymore :p
2020-12-29 17:27 <Ubit> using (SHA256 sha384Hash = SHA512.Create())
2020-12-29 17:27 <Ubit> sounds fun
2020-12-29 17:29 <djphil> Whoops, fixed
2020-12-29 17:29 <Ubit> i know how to code that ty :)
2020-12-29 17:30 <Ubit> but not in the mood of adding all variants of things 99.999% scripters know nothing about
2020-12-29 17:30 <djphil> I compared with php ("sha256", $ password); and it's ok, return identical answer
2020-12-29 17:30 <djphil> hash*
2020-12-29 17:31 <Ubit> yeah i also checked with web thing
2020-12-29 17:31 <djphil> :)
2020-12-29 17:32 <Ubit> fun .net 5 does have a hex thing almost like my code
2020-12-29 17:32 <Ubit> totally undocumented
2020-12-29 17:32 <osmantis> Bug #8839:04 Added a new function osSHA256 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8839 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-29 17:33 <Tampa> Thread level low or verylow I'd say
2020-12-29 17:33 <Ubit> well my names are prettier...
2020-12-29 17:33 <Tampa> threat*
2020-12-29 17:33 <Ubit> what threat level?
2020-12-29 17:33 <Tampa> For that function
2020-12-29 17:34 <Tampa> It's cryption, depending on algo it tends to require some computation, so you could use it as flood attack overloading cpu
2020-12-29 17:34 <Ubit> another reason to stay with 256 for now
2020-12-29 17:34 <Tampa> Also most functions have one even if low or verylow are enabled by default
2020-12-29 17:34 <Ubit> not anymore
2020-12-29 17:35 <Ubit> i changed that rule, remember?
2020-12-29 17:35 <Ubit> simple things have no threat level
2020-12-29 17:35 <djphil> Tampa, all functions could be used for attack so frankly do we have to remove them all ??? :s :s :s
2020-12-29 17:35 <Ubit> well fsassets depends on sha256 all that time also
2020-12-29 17:35 <Tampa> Well I still use it to set how dangerous a function is even if I add a lot of them to low or verylow
2020-12-29 17:36 <Ubit> yeah in use where it matters
2020-12-29 17:36 <Ubit> and a waste of time.. many users just enable all
2020-12-29 17:37 <Ubit> and we can add time penalties like lsl :p
2020-12-29 17:37 <djphil> Ho yes please :p
2020-12-29 17:37 <Tampa> Should threat levels be gone entirely then
2020-12-29 17:38 <Ubit> nahh ppl that know do use them
2020-12-29 17:38 <piusnoel> never, I hope.
2020-12-29 17:39 <Ubit> just that does no means all ossl must have one
2020-12-29 17:39 <Ubit> this sha is more candidate to sleep time than one
2020-12-29 17:39 <Ubit> no?
2020-12-29 17:40 <Ubit> guess on some cpus jit will use simd .. or i hope
2020-12-29 17:40 <Tampa> I'd say add it to low or verylow and maybe 200ms delay
2020-12-29 17:41 <Tampa> Maybe 500ms
2020-12-29 17:41 <Ubit> nahh not both
2020-12-29 17:41 <Ubit> all those level checks are getting heavy now
2020-12-29 17:41 <Ubit> total pollution
2020-12-29 17:42 <Ubit> guess how had i fogotten the needed entries to that llXor.. gezz
2020-12-29 17:43 <Ubit> price of doing code on another folder
2020-12-29 17:43 <Ubit> but if did it on the git one, my git would be a mess now :)
2020-12-29 17:43 <Tampa> Because it checks on each function instead of fetching the level once per script and using it to apply to all
2020-12-29 17:43 <Ubit> not anymore
2020-12-29 17:43 <osmantis> Bug #8839:04 Added a new function osSHA256 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8839 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-12-29 17:43 <Ubit> i did speed that up
2020-12-29 17:45 <Ubit> oh dev outreach is back
2020-12-29 17:45 <Ubit> well or was yesterday :)
2020-12-29 17:45 <Ubit> so is Bill :)
2020-12-29 17:46 <Ubit> well afk i guess, but here :)
2020-12-29 18:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #7472 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-29 18:28 <osmantis> Bug #8840:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] Many empty values returned by llGetEnv 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8840 ): Le bogue suivant a été résolu.
2020-12-29 18:28 <osmantis> Bug #8840:04 [SCRIPT FUNCTION] Many empty values returned by llGetEnv 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8840 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2020-12-29 18:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7472: SUCCESS in 4 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7472/
2020-12-29 18:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8840: add say ranges to llGetEnv
2020-12-29 19:12 <osmantis> Bug #8839:04 Added a new function osSHA256 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8839 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-29 21:15 <osmantis> Bug #8839:04 Added a new function osSHA256 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8839 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-12-29 23:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #7473 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-29 23:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7473: SUCCESS in 4 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7473/
2020-12-29 23:58 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: test: change http send control to a main pool thread
2020-12-30 00:13 <osmantis> Bug #8839:04 Added a new function osSHA256 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8839 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-30 11:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #7474 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-30 11:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7474: SUCCESS in 5 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7474/
2020-12-30 11:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: smartthreadpool: remove old windows(like CE) support, remove tabs.. (do runprebuild)
2020-12-30 11:51 <osmantis> Bug #8841:04 permanent UUID channel for XML-RPC 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8841 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-12-30 11:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #7475 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-30 11:57 <osmantis> Bug #8841:04 permanent UUID channel for XML-RPC 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8841 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-30 11:58 <osmantis> Bug #8841:04 permanent UUID channel for XML-RPC 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8841 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-12-30 11:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7475: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7475/
2020-12-30 11:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: smartthreadpool: httpcontext will be gone (we dont use it)
2020-12-30 12:02 <osmantis> Bug #8841:04 permanent UUID channel for XML-RPC 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8841 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-12-30 12:15 <osmantis> Bug #8841:04 permanent UUID channel for XML-RPC 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8841 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-30 14:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #7476 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-30 14:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7476: SUCCESS in 5 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7476/
2020-12-30 14:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: smartthreadpool: replace custom linkedlist based quueue by .net queue
2020-12-30 19:41 <djphil> Is OpenSimulator already IPV6 ready?
2020-12-30 20:01 <BillBlight> no
2020-12-30 20:03 <djphil> Hi Bill, thanks for your remply and Merry Christmas :p
2020-12-30 20:06 <djphil> We currently have an issue about this with jOpenSImSearch, difficult to resolve ...
2020-12-30 20:06 <djphil> Several simulators on different servers are not registered because of this
2020-12-30 20:22 <BillBlight> Opensim does not understand IPV6 so you generally either have to disable it, or make sure the default route is out/in via IPV4
2020-12-30 20:24 <BillBlight> Also you need to make sure DNS does NOT resolve IPV6 adresses for external servers or it will not connect
2020-12-30 20:24 <djphil> I imagine that in this case you would have to force IPV4 in OpenSim/jOpenSIm Search modules
2020-12-30 20:25 <djphil> Apparently the user does not use DNS, he has and uses a static IP
2020-12-30 20:29 <Tampa> OpenSim and using IPs for grid ident... lovely, next you tell me his database is open to the web, yikes
2020-12-30 20:34 <BillBlight> If we are talking simulator side, then IP's are used quite often, mainly because of .NET/Mono failing to update DNS caches
2020-12-30 20:35 <djphil> I did not see that I mentioned database Tampa
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2020-12-31 00:23 <osmantis> Bug #8839:04 Added a new function osSHA256 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8839 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-31 00:55 <osmantis> Bug #8839:04 Added a new function osSHA256 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8839 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-31 01:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #7477 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-31 01:58 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7477: FAILURE in 1 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7477/
2020-12-31 01:58 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: still some windows code
2020-12-31 01:58 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: smartthreadpool: replace thread context code to use ExecutionContext
2020-12-31 02:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #7478 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7476 11 hr ago)
2020-12-31 02:06 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2020-12-31 02:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7478: FIXED in 4 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7478/
2020-12-31 02:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: smartthreadpool: ofc missed the relevant file
2020-12-31 02:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #7479 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2020-12-31 02:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7479: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7479/
2020-12-31 02:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: smartthreadpool: add pool option SuppressFlow and test it on main smart?? pool (may go bad)
2020-12-31 03:03 <osmantis> Bug #8842:04 Collision Geometry off on Box prim with hollow set and rotated 45 degrees in ubODE Engine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8842 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-12-31 03:22 <osmantis> Bug #8842:04 Collision Geometry off on Box prim with hollow set and rotated 45 degrees in ubODE Engine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8842 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-31 03:24 <osmantis> Bug #8842:04 Collision Geometry off on Box prim with hollow set and rotated 45 degrees in ubODE Engine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8842 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-12-31 03:25 <osmantis> Bug #8842:04 Collision Geometry off on Box prim with hollow set and rotated 45 degrees in ubODE Engine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8842 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-31 03:26 <osmantis> Bug #8842:04 Collision Geometry off on Box prim with hollow set and rotated 45 degrees in ubODE Engine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8842 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2020-12-31 03:28 <djphil> hoolow change jitter ? :o
2020-12-31 03:28 <djphil> hollow*
2020-12-31 03:28 <Ubit> no hollow is a more precise shape on physics
2020-12-31 03:29 <Ubit> it is primitive box
2020-12-31 03:29 <Ubit> hollow is a mesh
2020-12-31 03:29 <djphil> Je peux comprendre mais ne devrait pas: p
2020-12-31 03:29 <djphil> oops
2020-12-31 03:29 <Ubit> mode space for jitter even if you can't see
2020-12-31 03:29 <osmantis> Bug #8839:04 Added a new function osSHA256 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8839 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-31 03:29 <djphil> I can understand but shouldn't :p
2020-12-31 03:30 <djphil> i'm going to test that on SL
2020-12-31 03:31 <Ubit> sl even stops collision
2020-12-31 03:33 <Ubit> i mean the collision even that should keep running
2020-12-31 03:34 <djphil> i can"t reproduce the bug on SL
2020-12-31 03:34 <Ubit> not a bug a feature :p
2020-12-31 03:35 <Ubit> and i also don't repo that much
2020-12-31 03:36 <djphil> I also find that it is very difficult to maintain the avatar against the prim in SL. It always tends to move away from the prim a little bit (+/- 0.1, 0.2)
2020-12-31 03:37 <Ubit> havoc as some histeresis on objects surfaces
2020-12-31 03:37 <Ubit> lets get it closer bf do collision then moved out more
2020-12-31 03:37 <osmantis> Bug #8842:04 Collision Geometry off on Box prim with hollow set and rotated 45 degrees in ubODE Engine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8842 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-31 03:38 <Ubit> like on 1m,  colides at 0.9 and moves to 1.1
2020-12-31 03:38 <Ubit> just a example can be 0.95
2020-12-31 03:39 <Ubit> we have another problem
2020-12-31 03:39 <Ubit> the avatar motor
2020-12-31 03:39 <Ubit> when we move into the prim it may stay pushing the av into the prim a bit
2020-12-31 03:39 <Ubit> and physics pushes out  == jitter
2020-12-31 03:42 <djphil> I learned a new word today, Hysteresis :)
2020-12-31 04:30 <Plugh> :)
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2020-12-31 09:02 <osmantis> Bug #8843:04 llParseStringKeepNulls returns a list mit 1 Eintrag obwohl keine Daten vorhanden sind. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8843 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2020-12-31 10:58 <osmantis> Bug #8843:04 llParseStringKeepNulls returns a list with 1 entry although there is no data 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8843 ): has been UPDATED.
2020-12-31 11:15 <osmantis> Bug #8843:04 llParseStringKeepNulls returns a list with 1 entry although there is no data 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8843 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2020-12-31 13:05 <Ubit> cd bin
2020-12-31 13:06 <Ubit> hmm fail
2020-12-31 13:06 <osjenkins> Starting build #7480 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-31 13:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7480: SUCCESS in 5 min 36 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7480/
2020-12-31 13:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: smartthreadpool: suport callback delegates with no return value (WaitCallBack), use it on our fireandforget (other places later)
2020-12-31 14:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #7481 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2020-12-31 14:34 <Ubit> bahh saved memory, gc uses more
2020-12-31 14:34 <Ubit> :)
2020-12-31 14:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7481: SUCCESS in 5 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7481/
2020-12-31 14:35 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: smartthreadpool: remove workitems priority. Its lack of fairness could cause issues hard to debug if we tried to use it (we don't) (runprebuild)
2020-12-31 15:17 <djphil> I'm getting a compile error with current master ... https://pastebin.com/99MNGt9V
2020-12-31 15:17 <Ubit> runprebuild
2020-12-31 15:18 <djphil> i do
2020-12-31 15:18 <Ubit> our jenkins did compile it
2020-12-31 15:18 <Ubit> so did my linux box ( pull from git )
2020-12-31 15:20 <djphil> It's ok
2020-12-31 15:20 <Ubit> D:\opensim\mastergrid\ThirdParty\SmartThreadPool\PriorityQueue.cs(
2020-12-31 15:20 <Ubit> i removed this file
2020-12-31 15:20 <djphil> Need to delete old ThirdParty directory :)
2020-12-31 15:21 <djphil> Sorry for the inconvenience :p
2020-12-31 15:21 <Ubit> yeah the delete is on the commit
2020-12-31 23:20 <Tampa> It be 2021 now
2020-12-31 23:20 <Ubit> cool. how is it?
2020-12-31 23:25 <Tampa> Not bad so far, snowy and cloudy
2020-12-31 23:26 <Tampa> Smells of burnt gunpowder
2020-12-31 23:27 <Ubit> yeah here also
2020-12-31 23:28 <Ubit> again
2020-12-31 23:28 <Ubit> ohh this was a gun shot 
2020-12-31 23:59 <Ubit> fireworks now
2021-01-01 00:00 <Ubit> ok 2021 arrived here!!
2021-01-01 00:01 <Ubit> uauu lots of fireworks
2021-01-01 00:01 <diva> Happy New Year, everyone!
2021-01-01 00:01 <Ubit> happy new year diva
2021-01-01 00:01 <Ubit> and all :)
2021-01-01 00:02 <Ubit> ohh more little fireworks around here this year
2021-01-01 00:05 <Ubit> gezz still running
2021-01-01 00:33 <djphil> Happy New Year to all :)
2021-01-01 00:33 <Ubit> :)
2021-01-01 01:03 <djphil> Is this kind of interposlation possible with OpenSim's osSlerp?
2021-01-01 01:03 <djphil> void Update () {transform.position = Vector3.Slerp()transform.position, target.position, 0.01f);}
2021-01-01 01:03 <djphil> I tried but without success :s
2021-01-01 01:04 <Ubit> slerp is not that a vector transform
2021-01-01 01:04 <Ubit> well mb
2021-01-01 01:05 <djphil> This part of script is from Unity
2021-01-01 01:05 <Ubit> that v3 mb a rotation also
2021-01-01 01:05 <djphil> Itry to reproduce it into Opensim ...
2021-01-01 01:05 <djphil> But in Opensim only the rotation seems feasible
2021-01-01 01:06 <Ubit> ok slerp considering vectors are directions
2021-01-01 01:07 <djphil> You mean rotation ?
2021-01-01 01:07 <Ubit> hmm we don't have slerp for vectors
2021-01-01 01:08 <Ubit> wmost cases we just do it on rotations
2021-01-01 01:08 <djphil> Our osSlerp takes 2 rotations and a ration
2021-01-01 01:08 <djphil> It only allows you to gradually rotate
2021-01-01 01:09 <Ubit> slerp is a interpolation on a arc
2021-01-01 01:09 <djphil> from ot_ra to rot_b
2021-01-01 01:09 <Ubit> ie values are on the shortest arc btw start and end
2021-01-01 01:11 <djphil> This is the exemple i try to reproduce
2021-01-01 01:11 <djphil> look at 5.20 min
2021-01-01 01:11 <djphil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT6RdFUMSes
2021-01-01 01:11 <Ubit> we do sun for example using its world rotation
2021-01-01 01:11 <Ubit> yeah that explains it
2021-01-01 01:12 <Ubit> i only did add slerp for rotations sorry
2021-01-01 01:12 <djphil> Yes and is a position interpolation
2021-01-01 01:12 <Ubit> yes but as i said with results on that shortest arc
2021-01-01 01:12 <djphil> Okay ...
2021-01-01 01:13 <Ubit> linear interpolation does not give things on that arc
2021-01-01 01:13 <djphil> You mean Lerp ?
2021-01-01 01:13 <Ubit> lerp is linear yes
2021-01-01 01:14 <djphil> Yeah but he won't make the trip in the arc
2021-01-01 01:15 <Ubit> they can for example compute angle btw the vectors then slerp the angle
2021-01-01 01:15 <Ubit> and apply the rotation to the start vector
2021-01-01 01:15 <Ubit> then do learp on magnitudes and apply it to result
2021-01-01 01:16 <Ubit> sure there is more direct math for that..  but in not doing it now, so not thinking :p
2021-01-01 01:18 <Ubit> what are u trying to do ?
2021-01-01 01:18 <djphil> Maybe an improvement to our osSlerp could be cool about this ...
2021-01-01 01:18 <djphil> Maybe an improvement to our osSlerp could be cool about this ...
2021-01-01 01:18 <djphil> Whoops
2021-01-01 01:18 <djphil> We have osSlerp rotation (rotation a, rotation b, float ratio);
2021-01-01 01:18 <Ubit> osslerp is for rotations
2021-01-01 01:18 <djphil> And could be added vector osSlerp (vector a, vector b, float ratio);
2021-01-01 01:18 <Ubit> yeah could be a vectors variant
2021-01-01 01:19 <djphil> Yes it is
2021-01-01 01:19 <djphil> yes a variant ... if is possible ...
2021-01-01 01:19 <djphil> I try to realize the example of the video
2021-01-01 01:19 <Ubit> mb one day :p
2021-01-01 01:20 <djphil> Something similar to Unity Slerp
2021-01-01 01:20 <Ubit> unity is not a math reference
2021-01-01 01:20 <djphil> Because I found this movement interesting ...
2021-01-01 01:20 <Ubit> for math one goes look into math things, not games :p
2021-01-01 01:21 <Ubit> may endup with similar code :)
2021-01-01 01:21 <djphil> Math is complicated for my little remaining neuron
2021-01-01 01:21 <Ubit> fun they added it.. not that usual
2021-01-01 01:21 <Ubit> not even rotation one
2021-01-01 01:22 <Ubit> .net system numerics as lerp not slerp in v3
2021-01-01 01:22 <djphil> No it's not even a rotation, just an arched displacement
2021-01-01 01:23 <Ubit> yes 
2021-01-01 01:23 <Ubit> but on rotations result is a rotation :p
2021-01-01 01:23 <djphil> There are LSL scripts that do this too but I thought maybe osSlerp could do it ...
2021-01-01 01:23 <djphil> Yes rot is rot :s
2021-01-01 01:23 <Ubit> ms does have slerp on rotations
2021-01-01 01:24 <Ubit> most libs are like that
2021-01-01 01:25 <Ubit> lerp is easy to do just in script
2021-01-01 01:25 <Ubit> slerp just a bit more math
2021-01-01 01:26 <djphil> yeah I imagine
2021-01-01 01:28 <djphil> https://docs.unity3d.com/530/Documentation/ScriptReference/Vector3.Slerp.html
2021-01-01 01:28 <Ubit> i know
2021-01-01 01:28 <djphil> Okay okay
2021-01-01 01:28 <Ubit> https://www.mathworks.com/help/fusion/ref/quaternion.slerp.html
2021-01-01 01:29 <Ubit> also for rotations ( quaternions ) only
2021-01-01 01:29 <djphil> I visited this sire too. funny that you show it
2021-01-01 10:28 <piusnoel> Happy New Year !
2021-01-01 11:34 <thoys> Happy new year
2021-01-01 23:36 <osmantis> Bug #8842:04 Collision Geometry off on Box prim with hollow set and rotated 45 degrees in ubODE Engine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8842 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-02 08:37 <osmantis> Bug #8842:04 Collision Geometry off on Box prim with hollow set and rotated 45 degrees in ubODE Engine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8842 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-02 12:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #7482 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-01-02 12:44 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7482: SUCCESS in 5 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7482/
2021-01-02 12:44 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: smartthreadpool: place a global throttle on threads creation if pool as less than min number of threads ( 20/s versus .net 1/s in all cases)
2021-01-03 02:49 <osmantis> Bug #8844:04 [SCRIPT ENGINE] Empty string on PARCEL_MEDIA_COMMAND_URL return error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8844 ): Le bogue suivant a été soumis.
2021-01-03 13:05 <osmantis> Bug #8844:04 [SCRIPT ENGINE] Empty string on PARCEL_MEDIA_COMMAND_URL return error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8844 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-03 13:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #7483 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-01-03 13:10 <Tampa> That still checks the url though, sounds like SL doesn't error on invalid urls at all
2021-01-03 13:10 <Ubit> bad for them
2021-01-03 13:11 <Ubit> should even check dns but im lazy now
2021-01-03 13:11 <Ubit> not good karma to send garbage to viewers, if we can helpit
2021-01-03 13:12 <Ubit> but "" is actually a comand i had missed
2021-01-03 13:12 <Ubit> forgotten even
2021-01-03 13:13 <Ubit> yeach that should have more improvement to ignore repeated commands
2021-01-03 13:14 <Ubit> well it does send refresh to all viewers
2021-01-03 13:14 <Ubit> mb on 0.9.2.0.0.0.0.0.1
2021-01-03 13:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7483: SUCCESS in 21 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7483/
2021-01-03 13:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8844: fix PARCEL_MEDIA_COMMAND_URL with empty string parameter
2021-01-03 13:32 <Tampa> Would it not make it to spec to just put a finally with url = string.Empty in there?
2021-01-03 13:33 <Ubit> bc "" is a command
2021-01-03 13:33 <Ubit> ie a clear
2021-01-03 13:45 <osmantis> Bug #8844:04 [SCRIPT ENGINE] Empty string on PARCEL_MEDIA_COMMAND_URL return error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8844 ): has been RESOLVED.
2021-01-03 14:07 <piusnoel> Bug #8844 looks good now, just tested. ty.
2021-01-03 14:20 <djphil> Thanks for the Tampa patch, it works fine now :)
2021-01-03 14:20 <osmantis> Bug #8844:04 [SCRIPT ENGINE] Empty string on PARCEL_MEDIA_COMMAND_URL return error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8844 ): Le bogue suivant a été fermé.
2021-01-03 14:37 <Ubit> the patch was wrong duuu
2021-01-03 14:37 <Ubit> :p
2021-01-03 14:38 <djphil> So thanks Ubit for fixing it :p
2021-01-03 14:44 <osmantis> Bug #8845:04 CompileLanguag Not found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8845 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-03 14:50 <osmantis> Bug #8845:04 CompileLanguag Not found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8845 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-03 14:58 <osmantis> Bug #8845:04 CompileLanguag Not found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8845 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-03 15:03 <osmantis> Bug #8845:04 CompileLanguag Not found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8845 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2021-01-03 16:11 <osmantis> Bug #8845:04 CompileLanguag Not found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8845 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-03 16:19 <osmantis> Bug #8845:04 CompileLanguag Not found 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8845 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2021-01-03 16:19 <osmantis> Bug #8845:04 CompileLanguag No encontrado 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8845 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2021-01-03 16:23 <osmantis> Bug #8845:04 CompileLanguag No encontrado 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8845 ): has been RESOLVED.
2021-01-03 20:22 <diva> I'm confused. When are we not allowed to "Set Home" om parcels?
2021-01-03 20:24 <Tampa> If you are not the owner, think it can also be blocked somewhere either on estate or parcel options
2021-01-03 20:24 <Tampa> Don't ask me what flag that is though
2021-01-03 20:26 <cnayl> There is a setting in Groups that allows you to give the 'set home here' option to people that are not the parcel owner
2021-01-03 20:26 <diva> but they need to be part of the group?
2021-01-03 20:29 <cnayl> Yes, as far as I am aware, only the owner of a parcel can set it as home location by default. You then set the parcel to a group and in the Abilities in the group Roles you set if they can set Home. They need to be a member of that group but don't need it to be active I think
2021-01-03 20:31 <diva> this is so weird. I have the default large parcel, then smaller ones I created. They both belong to a group. Ppl can set home in the former bit not in the latter. I'm scratching my head as to why, since they have exactly the same properties.
2021-01-03 20:32 <cnayl> Estate managers can also set home but I guess they are not that?!
2021-01-03 20:33 <cnayl> Is it the same group for the smaller parcels as the main large one?
2021-01-03 20:40 <diva> yeah
2021-01-03 20:40 <diva> the only difference between these parcels is that the first is the one existing by default, and the others were created
2021-01-03 20:49 <cnayl> So you started with the main region and then subdivided some areas to create separate parcels?  If so, shouldn't need to but perhaps try changing the parcel to a different group then change back again. Clutching at straws though!   
2021-01-03 20:51 <cnayl> Oh and not sure it matters or not but Second Life says you need to have the 'Allow Deed to Group' option checked and I notice my regions that allow setting Home do have that (even though they are not actually deeded to group)
2021-01-03 20:52 <djphil> @ Diva https://www.jopensim.com/forum/OpenSimulator/1676-how-to-set-home-to-here.html
2021-01-03 20:53 <cnayl> Okay - just tried setting home on a region witho Allow Deed to group unchecked and it did work, but that parcel is the original one, so maybe that's something to do with it?
2021-01-03 20:53 <diva> heheh :)
2021-01-03 20:53 <diva> oh I see. So there's a telehub in there, I think
2021-01-03 20:53 <cnayl> Also I'm using OSGrid version of opensim code
2021-01-03 20:54 <diva> ok, makes sense now
2021-01-03 20:54 <diva> thanks
2021-01-03 20:54 <cnayl> oh yes, I forgot about telehubs!
2021-01-03 20:54 <osmantis> Bug #8846:04 CompileLanguag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8846 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-01-03 20:54 <djphil> Hope that help :p
2021-01-03 20:57 <osmantis> Bug #8846:04 CompileLanguag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8846 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-03 21:02 <osmantis> Bug #8846:04 CompileLanguag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8846 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2021-01-03 22:59 <osmantis> Bug #8846:04 CompileLanguag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8846 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-04 15:38 <osmantis> Bug #8846:04 CompileLanguag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8846 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-04 16:26 <osmantis> Bug #8846:04 CompileLanguag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8846 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-04 23:30 <diva> does anyone what what this error is about? " bad upstream network connection or an incomplete installation of Firestorm"
2021-01-04 23:31 <diva> *know
2021-01-04 23:31 <Ubit> sounds like bad karma
2021-01-04 23:32 <Ubit> you do trigger strange things :)
2021-01-04 23:33 <diva> it's one of the students...
2021-01-04 23:33 <Ubit> ohh those are also good in finding strange things
2021-01-04 23:34 <djphil> no no it's not d j p
2021-01-04 23:34 <diva> yeah... this week will be all about tech support
2021-01-04 23:34 <Ubit> yes that d j p is also good on that
2021-01-04 23:34 <Ubit> works fine for others?
2021-01-04 23:35 <diva> yes
2021-01-04 23:35 <Ubit> well reinstall is a typical answer
2021-01-04 23:35 <diva> he did
2021-01-04 23:36 <Ubit> odd
2021-01-04 23:36 <Ubit> guess fs does not like something on is net config
2021-01-04 23:36 <Ubit> ..his...
2021-01-04 23:40 <Ubit> 	"The viewer has detected mangled network data indicative\n"
2021-01-04 23:40 <Ubit> 		"of a bad upstream network connection or an incomplete\n"
2021-01-04 23:40 <Ubit> 		"local installation of " << LLAppViewer::instance()->getSecondLifeTitle() << ". \n"
2021-01-04 23:40 <Ubit> 		" \n"
2021-01-04 23:40 <Ubit> 		"Try uninstalling and reinstalling to see if this resolves \n"
2021-01-04 23:40 <Ubit> 		"the issue. \n"
2021-01-04 23:40 <Ubit> yeah i tells reinstall :p
2021-01-04 23:41 <Ubit> bad udp causes that
2021-01-04 23:41 <Ubit> yeah triggered by a bad udp packet
2021-01-04 23:41 <diva> hmm
2021-01-04 23:42 <diva> oh. I told him to reboot hisrouter, and it looks like that fixed it!
2021-01-04 23:43 <Ubit> cool
2021-01-04 23:43 <djphil> Google tells me it could also be caused by anti-malware / spyware installed
2021-01-04 23:44 <diva> I'll keep that in miond for the next student who reports the same problem...
2021-01-04 23:44 <diva> 161 students as of now...
2021-01-04 23:44 <Ubit> nice
2021-01-04 23:44 <diva> I may need ti add one more region to this
2021-01-04 23:45 <Ubit> 161 extra reasons for region crashes
2021-01-05 03:46 <osmantis> Bug #8838:04 All inventory "Unavailable" when I'm on another grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8838 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-05 04:56 <osmantis> Bug #8847:04 Log4Net no longer  not use environment variables 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8847 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-01-05 04:57 <osmantis> Bug #8847:04 Log4Net no longer uses environment variables 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8847 ): has been UPDATED.
2021-01-05 07:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #7484 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-01-05 07:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7484: SUCCESS in 5 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7484/
2021-01-05 07:49 <osjenkins> Alicia Raven: Remove unused variable from EstateLoaderFileSystem
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2021-01-05 09:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #7485 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-01-05 09:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7485: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7485/
2021-01-05 09:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: revert changing the http server control thread. The main.net pool one cames with tons of crap on stack
2021-01-05 09:50 <osmantis> Bug #8847:04 Log4Net no longer uses environment variables 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8847 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-05 13:57 <osmantis> Bug #8847:04 Log4Net no longer uses environment variables 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8847 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-05 14:20 <osmantis> Bug #8847:04 Log4Net no longer uses environment variables 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8847 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-05 14:21 <osmantis> Bug #8847:04 Log4Net no longer uses environment variables 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8847 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-05 14:24 <osmantis> Bug #8847:04 Log4Net no longer uses environment variables 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8847 ): has been UPDATED.
2021-01-05 14:52 <osmantis> Bug #8847:04 Log4Net no longer uses environment variables 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8847 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-05 15:24 <osmantis> Bug #8847:04 Log4Net no longer uses environment variables 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8847 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-05 17:51 <Psi-Jack> Huh... So I have a bug matching http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6755, which is still open, new, unresolved, and un-updated since 2015. 
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2021-01-05 22:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #7486 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-01-05 22:18 <Ubit> damm ms recomendations
2021-01-05 22:18 <Ubit> bahh
2021-01-05 22:19 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7486: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7486/
2021-01-05 22:19 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: http server receiver: go back to simpler and lighter Beginread/endread. async/await is still just a slower wrapper around it, with more unpredictable side effects
2021-01-05 22:23 <Ubit> ofc all looks pretty much the same.. yeack :)
2021-01-05 22:24 <Ubit> but the stupid async state machine is gone
2021-01-06 01:18 <diva> More than half the students have checked inworld, and there have been no major technical fires! The worst, so far, has been MacOS security issues. And a couple of students who didn't know how to install programs. But the big test will be on Thursday, when they are supposed to all show up for a lecture at the same time...
2021-01-06 02:37 <Plugh> Hey,dan
2021-01-06 13:28 <osmantis> Bug #8848:04 Typo in AssetData request uri string in AssetServiceConnector 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8848 ): Der folgende Eintrag wurde erfasst.
2021-01-06 13:29 <osmantis> Bug #8848:04 Typo in AssetData request uri string in AssetServiceConnector 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8848 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2021-01-06 14:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #7487 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-01-06 14:48 <osmantis> Bug #8848:04 Typo in AssetData request uri string in AssetServiceConnector 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8848 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-06 14:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7487: SUCCESS in 5 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7487/
2021-01-06 14:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8848: fix typo, Thanks Chris Weymann
2021-01-06 14:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: do not send parcel environment changes to npcs
2021-01-06 14:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: update npc animation at end of movetotarget; decrease default stop position error to 0.5m
2021-01-06 14:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: YEngine: remove obsolete appdomain code (still in use elsewhere)
2021-01-06 15:23 <osmantis> Bug #8846:04 CompileLanguag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8846 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-06 16:13 <osmantis> Bug #8846:04 CompileLanguag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8846 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2021-01-06 16:33 <osjenkins> Starting build #7488 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-01-06 16:33 <djphil> It is  the position interpolation variant ?
2021-01-06 16:33 <Ubit> no
2021-01-06 16:34 <djphil> Arfff lol
2021-01-06 16:34 <Ubit> the direction :p
2021-01-06 16:34 <djphil> ha ok ... interessing too
2021-01-06 16:34 <Ubit> if you use with position vectors you will be very confused
2021-01-06 16:35 <Ubit> bad results if they have oposit direction
2021-01-06 16:35 <djphil> Well if it's a variant, we won't confuse, at least I think ...
2021-01-06 16:35 <Ubit> not that usefull really
2021-01-06 16:36 <Ubit> but well Unity has it.. and we are better than unity
2021-01-06 16:36 <Ubit> coff cofff coff :)
2021-01-06 16:36 <djphil> Hmmm I have a different opinion on this point ... :p
2021-01-06 16:36 <Ubit> in fact that comes from a older lib by sony that bullet used
2021-01-06 16:36 <Ubit> other libs just don't have it
2021-01-06 16:37 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7488: FAILURE in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7488/
2021-01-06 16:37 <Ubit> bc it is confusing and limited use
2021-01-06 16:37 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add vector variant of osSlerp; update script syntax
2021-01-06 16:37 <djphil> How unity do it ?
2021-01-06 16:37 <Ubit> oops
2021-01-06 16:37 <Ubit> why copy failed?
2021-01-06 16:37 <Ubit> grrr
2021-01-06 16:37 <djphil> Bc Broken Ubit do it :pp
2021-01-06 16:38 <Ubit> i didn't change that grrr
2021-01-06 16:41 <Ubit> no fails here grr
2021-01-06 16:42 <osjenkins> Starting build #7489 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7487 1 hr 56 min ago)
2021-01-06 16:45 <djphil> ha the variant is Vector3 instead of Quaternion , fun and cool :)
2021-01-06 16:45 <djphil> Currieux de voir le résultat en action :)
2021-01-06 16:46 <djphil> Curious to see the result in action*
2021-01-06 16:46 <Ubit> well and i why want to know why i code i did not changed now fails tests grrr
2021-01-06 16:47 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2021-01-06 16:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7489: FIXED in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7489/
2021-01-06 16:47 <Ubit> lol
2021-01-06 16:47 <djphil> Ask your cat ^^
2021-01-06 16:47 <Ubit> no change.. passed
2021-01-06 16:47 <Ubit> guess it is timing issue
2021-01-06 16:47 <Ubit> on the test itself
2021-01-06 16:48 <Ubit>  // Ad-hoc. Enough time to let the take work.
2021-01-06 16:48 <Ubit>             Thread.Sleep(5000);
2021-01-06 16:48 <Ubit> guess this was not long enough on that run
2021-01-06 16:48 <djphil> jenkins wants to tease you
2021-01-06 16:48 <Ubit> tests have own issues
2021-01-06 16:49 <Ubit> good i decided to just run it again and not change code :p
2021-01-06 20:54 <osmantis> Bug #8846:04 CompileLanguag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8846 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-06 21:00 <osmantis> Bug #8846:04 CompileLanguag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8846 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2021-01-06 21:01 <djphil> But beware, it's dangerous :p
2021-01-06 21:02 <osmantis> Bug #8846:04 CompileLanguag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8846 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-06 21:21 <Tampa> On what level does fourier transform enter the OpenSim realm
2021-01-06 21:21 <Tampa> This is like running Doom on calculator or something
2021-01-06 21:24 <JeffKelley> virtual science classroom, flip the switches, turn the knobs and observe result, rinse and repeat
2021-01-06 21:29 <JeffKelley> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1VrscDnmEY&feature=emb_title
2021-01-06 21:35 <djphil> Nice job :)
2021-01-06 21:50 <osmantis> Bug #8847:04 Log4Net no longer uses environment variables 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8847 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-07 03:58 <osmantis> Bug #8846:04 CompileLanguag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8846 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-07 04:18 <djphil> Sounds like a glimmer of hope for future Y improvements, am I wrong?
2021-01-07 14:24 <osmantis> Bug #8846:04 CompileLanguag 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8846 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-07 20:38 <osjenkins> Starting build #7490 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2021-01-07 20:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7490: SUCCESS in 5 min 51 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7490/
2021-01-07 20:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: reduce (again) number of http requestes on getdisplaynames
2021-01-07 21:11 <diva> It didn't crash! :D
2021-01-07 21:11 <diva> 130 students showed up
2021-01-07 21:11 <Ubit> wait.. it will
2021-01-07 21:11 <Ubit> ahh already done?
2021-01-07 21:12 <Ubit> cool :)
2021-01-07 21:12 <diva> yes :) Quite amazing!
2021-01-07 21:12 <Ubit> :)
2021-01-07 21:12 <Ubit> wait let me fix the bug i just commited
2021-01-07 21:12 <Tampa> Took a pic?
2021-01-07 21:14 <Ubit>            if (GetUser(userID, out UserData ud) && ud != null)
2021-01-07 21:14 <Ubit>             {
2021-01-07 21:14 <Ubit>                 if (ud.LastName.StartsWith("@"))
2021-01-07 21:14 <Ubit>                 {
2021-01-07 21:14 <Ubit>                     string[] parts = ud.FirstName.Split('.');
2021-01-07 21:14 <Ubit>                     if (parts.Length >= 2)
2021-01-07 21:14 <Ubit>                         uui = userID.ToString() + ";" + ud.HomeURL + ";" + parts[0] + " " + parts[1];
2021-01-07 21:14 <Ubit>                     else
2021-01-07 21:14 <Ubit>                         uui = userID.ToString() + ";" + ud.HomeURL + ";" + ud.FirstName + " " + ud.LastName;
2021-01-07 21:14 <Ubit>                 }
2021-01-07 21:14 <Ubit> on getuui, seems strange, we should remove the @ no?
2021-01-07 21:14 <cnayl> amazing diva!
2021-01-07 21:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #7491 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-01-07 21:15 <diva> https://imagebin.ca/v/5nTDP4f1OL5y
2021-01-07 21:16 <diva> this is when the cllecture ended and they all started walking and flying around!
2021-01-07 21:16 <diva> like, OMG
2021-01-07 21:16 <Ubit> :)
2021-01-07 21:19 <Ubit> uff damm flood on all friends list
2021-01-07 21:19 <Ubit> but profiles ( and other things) work again :)
2021-01-07 21:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7491: SUCCESS in 4 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7491/
2021-01-07 21:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: forget to flag local users
2021-01-07 21:20 <Ubit> but odd.. one name didn't got resolution
2021-01-07 21:20 <Ubit> what heck
2021-01-07 21:21 <Ubit> hmm it was one giving a ummm something
2021-01-07 21:29 <Tampa> What was cpu % during that?
2021-01-07 21:29 <Tampa> With all local ruths probably not as high compared to mesh hg avatars tend to do
2021-01-07 21:33 <diva> I dind't monitor the CPU
2021-01-07 21:33 <diva> The server lag was not a big deal. Chat was coming through ok. I think the viewer lag was the problem
2021-01-07 21:34 <diva> some students were complaining. but my viewer was ok-ish
2021-01-07 21:43 <Tampa> Install collectd and grab some stats, load levels like that are very interesting :)
2021-01-07 21:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #7492 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-01-07 21:54 <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, wow... Trying to export and import the database from one mysql 5.x to a mariadb 10.x, and run a test grid off it, but it's looking for opensim.UserAccounts, for database, and not finding it, because case sensativity.. Whaaat? LOL
2021-01-07 21:55 <Ubit> ok fixed the odd missing names
2021-01-07 21:56 <Psi-Jack> Ahhhhhhhhhh, I see the issue.
2021-01-07 21:56 <Ubit> tampa issue?
2021-01-07 21:56 <Psi-Jack> MySQL is running on Windows, lower_case_table_names are assumed enabled there. But disabled on UNIX/Linux.
2021-01-07 21:56 <Psi-Jack> New server is Linux. :)
2021-01-07 21:56 <Ubit> uff
2021-01-07 21:57 <Psi-Jack> Exactly, uff... 
2021-01-07 21:57 <Psi-Jack> So, Ubit. Did you see my earlier mention of a recurring bug I'm hitting?
2021-01-07 21:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7492: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7492/
2021-01-07 21:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix creators user cache
2021-01-07 21:58 <Ubit> hg tps and tps have a ton of fail cases
2021-01-07 21:58 <Ubit> always did
2021-01-07 21:59 <Psi-Jack> Yeah? This is based on ghosted attachments, if I detach stuff and re-attach, often times TP's work again. I'm wondering if there's anything that can be done, reported, detailed, etc... TO help resolve the issue. As I'm not a C# developer.
2021-01-07 21:59 <Ubit> they don't like bad or misconf routers
2021-01-07 21:59 <Ubit> dont like slow networks
2021-01-07 21:59 <Ubit> don't like overloaded regions
2021-01-07 22:00 <Ubit> etc
2021-01-07 22:00 <Psi-Jack> Well, we just moved from a bad/cheap router, to a commercial grade router.
2021-01-07 22:00 <Ubit> bad config regions or grids also
2021-01-07 22:00 <Ubit> did config it right?
2021-01-07 22:00 <Ubit> ports fw.. etc
2021-01-07 22:00 <Psi-Jack> Oh, definitely yet. :)
2021-01-07 22:00 <Psi-Jack> yes*
2021-01-07 22:00 <Ubit> does it do loopback correctly?
2021-01-07 22:00 <Psi-Jack> It does.
2021-01-07 22:01 <Ubit> well then the bad/cheaper is a better router :p
2021-01-07 22:01 <Psi-Jack> The newer one is configured better, and is an Ubuquity EdgeRouter.
2021-01-07 22:02 <Ubit> well if was working on the old one.. then issue is on router
2021-01-07 22:02 <Psi-Jack> It wasn't working on the old router, or the new router.,
2021-01-07 22:02 <Psi-Jack> Issue resumes being an issue, basically. LOL
2021-01-07 22:02 <Plugh> diva: 130 in one region? That's good if so. Where they all mostly seated during the event?
2021-01-07 22:02 <diva> no, in 4 contiguous regions
2021-01-07 22:03 <diva> and yes, it took some time to sit them down, but they eventually did. Except that at the end they all stood up at the same time and started walking and flying around :)
2021-01-07 22:03 <Plugh> oh, well. that isn't that special a case. The OSCC gets up around that many across the 4. nebadon liked to see if he could get about 100 or so avatars in one region.
2021-01-07 22:03 <diva> and opensim didn't crash. I am very impressed with 0.9,1,1, Ubit :)
2021-01-07 22:04 <Ubit> don't worry im breaking it on 092 :p
2021-01-07 22:04 <Plugh> hehe
2021-01-07 22:05 <Ubit> hmm need this code at lbsa,.. guess dan did guess that and is hidding :)
2021-01-07 22:06 <Ubit> :)
2021-01-07 22:17 <Ubit> yeah is same tech as oscc
2021-01-07 22:17 <Ubit> shared corner
2021-01-07 22:23 <Ubit> one of this days you need to test 092 ( after fixing wifi )
2021-01-07 22:30 <Psi-Jack> Hmmm
2021-01-07 22:30 <Psi-Jack> Is it bad to share a single fsassets directory between two Robust servers running a production grid and test grid? ;)
2021-01-07 22:31 <Ubit> no idea :)
2021-01-07 22:31 <Ubit> should work i guess
2021-01-07 22:31 <Psi-Jack> Yeah, mostly reading not creating stuff. 
2021-01-07 22:49 <BillBlight> sharing the fsassets will work if on Linux, if on windows, file locking will bite you in the ass
2021-01-07 22:49 <Psi-Jack> Yep.
2021-01-07 22:49 <Psi-Jack> That's what I was thinking.
2021-01-07 22:50 <BillBlight> you may end up still seeing some errors on the console , but I saw no actual problems
2021-01-07 22:51 <BillBlight> Your TP issues could have been "Old Code" since you said when you asked before that you had not updated in a long while
2021-01-07 22:51 <BillBlight> (also recompiling can help too, with newer mono on linux)
2021-01-07 23:15 <Psi-Jack> Yeaaaah. I need to update, but I'm starting to think the problem was MySQL on Windows.
2021-01-07 23:15 <Psi-Jack> That's why this migration.
2021-01-07 23:16 <Psi-Jack> We've gotten a a point where just loading group members, for some reason, seems to lock up the database.
2021-01-07 23:17 <Psi-Jack> Because as soon as the Windows instance of mysql restarts, BOOM! groups are instantly fast for about 15~30min.
2021-01-08 00:55 <JeffKelley> found a way to crash a server with a LSL script, accidentally looping on llList2List, "Running" check box greyed out, chat spam crashed viewer then region memory skyrockets to 8GB, Linux begins to swap, you can eventuallu login, kill the process and swapoff -a and regain control of your machine 40 minutes later
2021-01-08 02:01 <Plugh> Hey, BillBlight. Hope all is well. Haven't seen you at the Tuesday meeting for a while.
2021-01-08 02:06 <BillBlight> Yeah, Plugh, all good, but RL has been hectic, so trying to get a handle on some priorities 
2021-01-08 02:17 <Plugh> Good to hear. Yeah, that darn RL is always getting in the way of things.
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2021-01-08 11:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #7493 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-01-08 11:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7493: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7493/
2021-01-08 11:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: ubOde mesh work does not need a thread all the time
2021-01-08 14:41 <Ubit> runprebuild !!
2021-01-08 14:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #7494 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-01-08 14:41 <Ubit> yes im bad naming things..
2021-01-08 14:41 <Tampa> gruntmaster 6000
2021-01-08 14:41 <Ubit> ?
2021-01-08 14:42 <Ubit> ok you are worse than me
2021-01-08 14:42 <Tampa> scaled down version of the gruntmaster 9000
2021-01-08 14:42 <Ubit> :)
2021-01-08 14:43 <Tampa> have ratbert name things, he is better at that
2021-01-08 14:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7494: SUCCESS in 5 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7494/
2021-01-08 14:46 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add ObjectJobEngine. This is a job engine for jobs (or pool workitems) with same action method but diferent arguments
2021-01-08 14:46 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: use ObjectJobEngine on ubOde mesh worker
2021-01-08 16:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #7495 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-01-08 16:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7495: FAILURE in 1 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7495/
2021-01-08 16:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: move map itens to objectjobengine
2021-01-08 16:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #7496 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7494 1 hr 29 min ago)
2021-01-08 16:10 <Ubit> grr
2021-01-08 16:10 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7496: STILL FAILING in 57 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7496/
2021-01-08 16:10 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing change on objectjobengine
2021-01-08 16:14 <osjenkins> Starting build #7497 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #7494 1 hr 33 min ago)
2021-01-08 16:15 <Ubit> my stupid win decided to turn off usb keyb and mouse since last night update
2021-01-08 16:15 <Ubit> grr
2021-01-08 16:15 <Ubit> turned off HID devices ability to turn power off.. lets see
2021-01-08 16:16 <Ubit> but now on shutdown they stay on.. so silly
2021-01-08 16:18 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2021-01-08 16:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7497: FIXED in 4 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7497/
2021-01-08 16:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: comment out code for map deregister, still not done
2021-01-08 16:24 <Tampa> isn't that code that doesn't work anyways
2021-01-08 16:24 <Ubit> ?
2021-01-08 16:25 <Ubit> the de reg?
2021-01-08 16:25 <Ubit> i made it work.. then gaveup on it
2021-01-08 16:27 <Tampa> Maptiles really are a pain
2021-01-08 16:28 <Tampa> What I do now is I nuke them from the database %terrainImage% then from file assets based on their asset sha, then remove them from robust binary, finally tell all regions to make new ones
2021-01-08 16:28 <Tampa> Pain in the rear to do, but can't get rid of the mess otherwise
2021-01-08 17:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #7498 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2021-01-08 18:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7498: SUCCESS in 5 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7498/
2021-01-08 18:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: move regionassetcoonector get threads to objectjobengine
2021-01-08 20:03 <osmantis> Bug #8847:04 Log4Net no longer uses environment variables 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8847 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-08 20:28 <osmantis> Bug #8847:04 Log4Net no longer uses environment variables 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8847 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-08 20:35 <osmantis> Bug #8849:04 My Grid OpenSim turns off after a few seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8849 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-01-08 20:37 <osmantis> Bug #8849:04 My Grid OpenSim turns off after a few seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8849 ): has been UPDATED.
2021-01-08 20:38 <osmantis> Bug #8849:04 My Grid OpenSim turns off after a few seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8849 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-08 20:38 <Tampa> you gotta be fucking kidding
2021-01-08 20:38 <Tampa> really
2021-01-08 20:39 <Tampa> I'll consult my crystal ball to figure this one out :/
2021-01-08 21:09 <osmantis> Bug #8849:04 My Grid OpenSim turns off after a few seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8849 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-08 21:10 <Ubit> yeah
2021-01-08 21:11 <osmantis> Bug #8849:04 My Grid OpenSim turns off after a few seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8849 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-08 23:36 <osmantis> Bug #8849:04 My Grid OpenSim turns off after a few seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8849 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-09 00:39 <osmantis> Bug #8849:04 My Grid OpenSim turns off after a few seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8849 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-09 00:47 <BillBlight> Opensim crashes, must be opensim's fault!!  <--Translation--> I need to find a new hobby because I'm too stupid to run opensim.
2021-01-09 00:48 <Ubit> ofc
2021-01-09 00:48 <Ubit> and seems it is viewer
2021-01-09 01:06 <djphil> Could also be caused by a bad script on the region ... or even a bad mesh. People are not necessarily stupid because they don't know how to use Opensim ...
2021-01-09 01:34 <osmantis> Bug #8849:04 My Grid OpenSim turns off after a few seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8849 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2021-01-09 02:26 <osmantis> Bug #8849:04 My Grid OpenSim turns off after a few seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8849 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-09 02:28 <osmantis> Bug #8849:04 My Grid OpenSim turns off after a few seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8849 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2021-01-09 08:25 <osmantis> Bug #8849:04 My Grid OpenSim turns off after a few seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8849 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-09 08:26 <Tampa> Almost sounds like the mesh bug maybe, that causes a ctd at least
2021-01-09 08:26 <Tampa> Some other really bad mesh does too, don't even need to right click that
2021-01-09 08:27 <Tampa> viewer crash to desktop is rare
2021-01-09 08:27 <djphil> well yes, maybe ;)
2021-01-09 14:02 <Ubit> iddle!
2021-01-09 14:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #7499 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-01-09 14:07 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7499: SUCCESS in 5 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7499/
2021-01-09 14:07 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: move getassets work threads to objectjobengine
2021-01-09 14:07 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: move inventory fetch work threads to objectjobengine
2021-01-09 14:07 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: move poll service work threads to objectjobengine, mb not that good, except iddle regions ofc
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2021-01-10 01:36 <snik> Hello Opensim devs - how are you all today?
2021-01-10 01:37 <snik> I have a couple of feature requests, that I'm about to submit, on the opensim wiki....
2021-01-10 01:38 <snik> ... I feel they have some merit, but I'm also prepared to be persuaded, otherwise, if you think they dont
2021-01-10 01:40 <snik> first  feature request is a user definable password, or option, to allow grid owners to save IAR files, without having to input a password for a particular user in the console....
2021-01-10 01:41 <snik> ...second feature request, is a user definable time period, for a Grid User table wipe/refresh....
2021-01-10 01:42 <snik> ...any thoughts, suggestions or comments, before I make them publicly on the opensim wiki/mantis?
2021-01-10 02:17 <osmantis> Bug #8850:04 Feature request 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8850 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-01-10 02:20 <osmantis> Bug #8851:04 Feature request 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8851 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-01-10 04:01 <osmantis> Bug #8838:04 All inventory "Unavailable" when I'm on another grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8838 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-10 04:02 <osmantis> Bug #8775:04 Some HG assets can no longer be taken except by attaching. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8775 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-10 04:05 <osmantis> Bug #8849:04 My Grid OpenSim turns off after a few seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8849 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-10 04:11 <osmantis> Bug #8775:04 Some HG assets can no longer be taken except by attaching. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8775 ): has been UPDATED.
2021-01-10 04:13 <osmantis> Bug #8847:04 Log4Net no longer uses environment variables 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8847 ): has been UPDATED.
2021-01-10 04:14 <osmantis> Bug #8847:04 Log4Net no longer uses environment variables 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8847 ): has been RESOLVED.
2021-01-10 11:29 <osmantis> Bug #8850:04 Feature request 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8850 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-10 11:33 <osmantis> Bug #8851:04 Feature request 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8851 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-10 11:41 <osmantis> Bug #8851:04 Feature request 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8851 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-10 11:48 <osmantis> Bug #8847:04 Log4Net no longer uses environment variables 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8847 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-10 12:16 <osmantis> Bug #8851:04 Feature request 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8851 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2021-01-10 14:37 <osmantis> Bug #8850:04 Feature request 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8850 ): has been RESOLVED.
2021-01-10 14:58 <osmantis> Bug #8852:04 osSetParcelMusicURL does'nt work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8852 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-01-10 15:03 <osmantis> Bug #8852:04 osSetParcelMusicURL does'nt work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8852 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-10 16:12 <osmantis> Bug #8851:04 Feature request 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8851 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-10 17:45 <osmantis> Bug #8852:04 osSetParcelMusicURL does'nt work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8852 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-10 19:22 <diva> is there a way in lsl or os extensions to send a message from an object to another object in another region?
2021-01-10 19:23 <diva> I was hoping osMessageObject would do it, but it doesn't.
2021-01-10 19:45 <Plugh> Hm... the wiki page for that function doesn't state whether the two objects need to be in the same region or not.
2021-01-10 22:25 <JeffKelley> not sure but it may work if both regions sit on the same simulator instance, testing ...
2021-01-10 22:34 <JeffKelley> nope
2021-01-10 22:36 <Tampa> Normally you'd use httprequest to the region:object url uuid thingy... I never used that but suppose that's the way if you have the simulators setup to provide the external urls for that or something
2021-01-10 22:36 <Tampa> It's somewhere in there, should be documented
2021-01-10 22:36 <Tampa> I think
2021-01-10 22:37 <JeffKelley> it works but urls change at boot time
2021-01-10 22:38 <danbanner> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Object_to_object_HTTP_communication
2021-01-10 22:38 <danbanner> not sure it works on opensim
2021-01-10 22:39 <Tampa> It should, but by default the inbound thing is turned off and you need to provide it some way to "create" that endpoint for the script to talk into the region, never used that
2021-01-10 22:40 <Tampa> I always http out and sync via external server
2021-01-10 22:40 <Tampa> Probably better for security or something
2021-01-10 22:41 <Tampa> Otherwise could create a postman prim to osteleportobject between the regions
2021-01-10 22:41 <Tampa> But that function is not fully stable and the script might die in transit
2021-01-10 22:42 <JeffKelley> i know no simple way to do inter-region coms except http in/out using an external tracker
2021-01-10 22:43 <Tampa> That tends to work best and since you don't need to open the region for external access via http, only sending, it probably avoids dealing with potential bad data
2021-01-10 22:47 <Tampa> osmessageobject draws from scene so in order to make it capable of calling another region it would need to somehow retrieve remote scene data to find the prim and then call it
2021-01-10 22:47 <Tampa> That would be possible, but may also be rather spammy on the remote end
2021-01-10 22:58 <JeffKelley> The code at http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Object_to_object_HTTP_communication is a joke. It uses chat to send rx's url to tx so that tx can answer via http. Both objects are in the same region and can use chat from the beginning. There are simpler and faster ways to query object's name and location.
2021-01-10 23:01 <Tampa> A sensor is a bit heavier than a listener though
2021-01-10 23:04 <diva> ok, thanks. Bummer. I'll this in some other way.
2021-01-10 23:05 <JeffKelley> in GIVE code, all you have to do is llGetObjectDetails (id) to achieve the advertised goal
2021-01-10 23:22 <diva> llInstantMessage doesn't work across regions?!
2021-01-10 23:24 <diva> this looks like a bug
2021-01-10 23:25 <BillBlight> I doubt it is a "bug" just something never implemented, one region doesn't know about scripts running in another region, never seen any "communication channels" between regions that would allow scripts to talk ..
2021-01-10 23:25 <diva> llIM is supposed to send a message to an avatar, not another object
2021-01-10 23:27 <BillBlight> oh I"m blind ...   I totally skipped reading, "llInstantMessage" in your other post, thought we were still talking about message object
2021-01-10 23:27 <BillBlight> I have used llInstantMessage across regions before
2021-01-10 23:27 <diva> I was expecting it to work, too
2021-01-10 23:27 <diva> but apparently it only works when the avie and the object are in the same region
2021-01-10 23:28 <BillBlight> I currently use it in greeter/visitor/notification scripts and it seems to currently work
2021-01-10 23:28 <diva> hmm, I wonder if I forgot to set something in the config
2021-01-10 23:29 <Ubit> llInstantMessage is object to avatar only
2021-01-10 23:29 <diva> yes, but it's not working for me
2021-01-10 23:29 <diva> is there anything I need to set in config?
2021-01-10 23:31 <danbanner> i get llInstantMessage's from other regions all the time to my avatar
2021-01-10 23:31 <BillBlight> I've never set anything special
2021-01-10 23:31 <danbanner> nothing special needs to be set
2021-01-10 23:31 <danbanner> just put avatar uuid in the script
2021-01-10 23:32 <diva> oh never mind. Brian fart
2021-01-10 23:53 <snik> @tampa, you have a DM :)
2021-01-11 00:17 <djphil> @ Diva : I remember that at one point, osRequestPersistantURL had been discussed to be implemented ... I even believe that it is implemented in some opensim fork but it is not currently in Opensim Core
2021-01-11 00:26 <djphil> There is also this which was done on grimore.org diva
2021-01-11 00:26 <djphil> https://grimore.org/secondlife/intercom
2021-01-11 00:27 <djphil> and this one http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Intercom but is a horror
2021-01-11 01:35 <osjenkins> Starting build #7500 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-01-11 01:39 <Ubit> diva the touch flag for viewers was really getting stuck in inventories
2021-01-11 01:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7500: FAILURE in 5 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7500/
2021-01-11 01:39 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: reset flags relative to script events touch, money and allowdrop. Seems several do have them set in inventories even without scripts
2021-01-11 01:39 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: do not try to pass touch events to root prim if it does not have them
2021-01-11 01:39 <diva> ah-ha
2021-01-11 01:39 <Ubit> guess since ages
2021-01-11 01:40 <Ubit> dan gave a magical thing doing odd things in that case
2021-01-11 01:41 <Ubit> now i need to put the bug back and find what the viewers do :)
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2021-01-11 12:11 <osmantis> Bug #8851:04 Feature request 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8851 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-11 12:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #7501 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7499 1 day 22 hr ago)
2021-01-11 12:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7501: STILL FAILING in 5 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7501/
2021-01-11 12:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix previus commit, not storing script related flags on dbs like all 0.9.x. this must be regen on scripts rez
2021-01-11 12:24 <Ubit> fail?
2021-01-11 12:24 <Ubit> grr
2021-01-11 12:25 <Ubit> ofc tests
2021-01-11 12:27 <osmantis> Bug #8851:04 Feature request 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8851 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-11 12:27 <Tampa> I setup failure conditions on my jenkins, I just got a looooooong email lol
2021-01-11 12:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #7502 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #7499 1 day 22 hr ago)
2021-01-11 12:49 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2021-01-11 12:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7502: FIXED in 4 min 52 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7502/
2021-01-11 12:49 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix test to ignore such flags also
2021-01-11 14:20 <osmantis> Bug #8838:04 All inventory "Unavailable" when I'm on another grid 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8838 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-11 16:03 <piusnoel> Scripts in recent 0.9.2.0 Yeti Dev dont start if YEngine is enabled. Shall I write a mantis report?
2021-01-11 16:03 <Ubit> working fine for me
2021-01-11 16:07 <piusnoel> ok, I will write a report
2021-01-11 16:07 <Tampa> Make sure to set the default script engine to YEngine as well, don't just enable it alone, that won't work
2021-01-11 16:08 <Tampa> If you say default X and only enable Y how could it
2021-01-11 16:09 <piusnoel> Oh... maybe I forgot something.  I thought DefaultScriptEngine = "YEngine" in OpenSim.ini will enable it.
2021-01-11 16:11 <piusnoel> grrr... sorry, thanks Tampa
2021-01-11 16:12 <djphil> Tampa +1  :)
2021-01-11 16:13 <piusnoel> I've forgotten Enabled = true in the [YEngine" section.
2021-01-11 16:14 <Ubit> :)
2021-01-11 16:14 <djphil> piusnoel -1 :p
2021-01-11 16:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #7503 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2021-01-11 16:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7503: SUCCESS in 5 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7503/
2021-01-11 16:29 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: move floatsam write thread to objectjobengine
2021-01-11 16:29 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: move scripts dataserver threads to objectjobengine
2021-01-11 20:02 <osmantis> Bug #8849:04 My Grid OpenSim turns off after a few seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8849 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2021-01-12 12:45 <osjenkins> Starting build #7504 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-01-12 12:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7504: FAILURE in 1 min 33 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7504/
2021-01-12 12:45 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: simplify JobEngine a bit
2021-01-12 12:45 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: let udp output refill engine release its thread on iddle
2021-01-12 12:47 <Ubit> yeack
2021-01-12 12:47 <AliciaRaven> getting on top of thread management?
2021-01-12 12:48 <Tampa> Pizza or beer will help :D
2021-01-12 12:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #7505 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7503 20 hr ago)
2021-01-12 12:52 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7505: STILL FAILING in 2 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7505/
2021-01-12 12:52 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing change
2021-01-12 13:03 <AliciaRaven> i find coffee best for coding, beer is great for the planning stage aka day dreaming lol
2021-01-12 13:17 <osmantis> Bug #8853:04 This is about a previous problem with "do not try to pass touch events to root prim if it does not have them" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8853 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-01-12 13:19 <osmantis> Bug #8853:04 This is about a previous problem with "do not try to pass touch events to root prim if it does not have them" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8853 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-12 13:21 <osjenkins> Starting build #7506 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #7503 20 hr ago)
2021-01-12 13:21 <Ubit> yeach breaking threading again :p
2021-01-12 13:22 <Ubit> this changes kinda favour idle regions, may had a bit more load or others
2021-01-12 13:22 <Ubit> but also better threads reuse.. so.. lets pray and see ;)
2021-01-12 13:23 <Ubit> im investing still on smartpool
2021-01-12 13:23 <Ubit> it has features  main ms pool does not have
2021-01-12 13:24 <Ubit> and does not have the odd crap the .net can do on pseudo thread starvation
2021-01-12 13:24 <Ubit> also has no stupid work items LIFO, that breaks time sequence a lot more
2021-01-12 13:25 <Ubit> but it can be turned into a subpool of the main one, one day
2021-01-12 13:25 <Tampa> What's the endgame there? Lower cpu of idle regions?
2021-01-12 13:25 <Ubit> and other resources
2021-01-12 13:26 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2021-01-12 13:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7506: FIXED in 5 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7506/
2021-01-12 13:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: another ...
2021-01-12 13:26 <Ubit> well also on normal ones.. with better reuse of threads we had just idle doing nothing
2021-01-12 13:27 <Ubit> .net5 "recomended tasks crap" does it even more agressive
2021-01-12 13:28 <Ubit> Total process threads active: 31
2021-01-12 13:28 <Tampa> Running like 300 simulators the biggest issues I see is some regions that on average run at 30-45% cpu really spike HARD whenever users connect or do something heavy and those spikes, if they overlap, really crush performance and there is still some potential for lockups aka region so overloaded it enters a state of "can't keep up"
2021-01-12 13:28 <Ubit> this includes .net threads
2021-01-12 13:28 <Tampa> Doesn't happen often thankfully, but, can't believe I say it, some throttles might help
2021-01-12 13:29 <Ubit> of course they will spike.. when users arrive.. duhhh
2021-01-12 13:29 <Tampa> With mesh, growing inventory it can get real bad at times
2021-01-12 13:29 <Ubit> you want them to have things working..
2021-01-12 13:29 <Tampa> I did find some ways to configure niceness and so on to reduce that a bit, but some regions and users... just damn
2021-01-12 13:30 <Ubit> issue is not using all the cores the cpu has...
2021-01-12 13:30 <Ubit> issue is to try to use a lot more than the avaiable cored
2021-01-12 13:30 <Ubit> cores
2021-01-12 13:30 <Tampa> There is also something really odd with backup command
2021-01-12 13:30 <Ubit> .net tasks is about that.. taking direct thread control from coders
2021-01-12 13:30 <Ubit> a task is a pool work item, not a thread
2021-01-12 13:31 <Ubit> well kinda..
2021-01-12 13:31 <Tampa> Like primitems table, 1247 rows, refresh, 1289, refresh 1143, refresh, 1172....
2021-01-12 13:31 <Tampa> It enters data then removes it again
2021-01-12 13:31 <Tampa> loops for 10 minutes then finishes
2021-01-12 13:32 <Ubit> backup does that?
2021-01-12 13:32 <Tampa> Backup and shutdown aka persisting items to disk
2021-01-12 13:32 <Ubit> well i hate those dbs
2021-01-12 13:32 <Ubit> hey should only have serielizd binary data
2021-01-12 13:33 <Tampa> The problem I have is I can't log the queries on that db because of how much use is on it, logfile explosion
2021-01-12 13:33 <Ubit> not all those insane and useless fields no one ever uses
2021-01-12 13:33 <Tampa> I need to find the code that does these queries and echo them to console when doing backup so I can log that
2021-01-12 13:33 <Ubit> on slite and win you can see the activity on filemanager
2021-01-12 13:34 <Ubit> insane... it creating tmp files then delete
2021-01-12 13:34 <Ubit> Threadpool (excluding script engine pools)
2021-01-12 13:34 <Ubit> Thread pool used           : SmartThreadPool
2021-01-12 13:34 <Ubit> Max threads                : 300
2021-01-12 13:34 <Ubit> Min threads                : 8
2021-01-12 13:34 <Ubit> Allocated threads          : 8
2021-01-12 13:34 <Ubit> In use threads             : 3
2021-01-12 13:34 <Ubit> Work items waiting         : 0
2021-01-12 13:34 <Ubit> Total process threads active: 35
2021-01-12 13:34 <Ubit> me alone on a region doing nothing
2021-01-12 13:35 <Ubit> all things downloaded
2021-01-12 13:35 <Ubit> Threadpool (excluding script engine pools)
2021-01-12 13:35 <Ubit> Thread pool used           : SmartThreadPool
2021-01-12 13:35 <Ubit> Max threads                : 300
2021-01-12 13:35 <Ubit> Min threads                : 8
2021-01-12 13:35 <Ubit> Allocated threads          : 8
2021-01-12 13:35 <Ubit> In use threads             : 0
2021-01-12 13:35 <Ubit> Work items waiting         : 0
2021-01-12 13:35 <Ubit> Total process threads active: 36
2021-01-12 13:36 <Ubit> me out...  .net decided to add another to its pool..
2021-01-12 13:38 <Ubit> and the damm thing does not release it grrr
2021-01-12 13:39 <Ubit> guess it does not, if total < min threades
2021-01-12 13:41 <Ubit> i hate the names objectjobengine ( my name) and jobengine :)
2021-01-12 14:10 <osmantis> Bug #8853:04 This is about a previous problem with "do not try to pass touch events to root prim if it does not have them" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8853 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-12 14:22 <Tampa> Errors and Failures:
2021-01-12 14:22 <Tampa> 1) Test Error : OpenSim.Tests.Permissions.IndirectTransferTests.SimpleTakeCopy
2021-01-12 14:22 <Tampa>    System.ArgumentException : Destination array is not long enough to copy all the items in the collection. Check array index and length.
2021-01-12 14:23 <Psi-Jack> Heh, so, ever since migrating from MySQL 5.7 on Windows, to MariaDB 10.3 on Linux, EVERYTHING is faster and more reliable. TP's aren't failing and timing out, group notices work, group chat works, etc.. So many things just magically work, except a new issue. 
2021-01-12 14:23 <Ubit> guess a timing issue on the test
2021-01-12 14:23 <Ubit> try again
2021-01-12 14:23 <Psi-Jack> Group notice history, has just the sender, subject, and date, but when you select it in the viewer, it never shows the content of the notice.
2021-01-12 14:28 <Psi-Jack> Hmmm..
2021-01-12 14:28 <Psi-Jack> DEBUG [Groups]: Group Notice 70c7b637-b0e4-daae-cf2e-9a06f80ee99f not found, composing empty message.
2021-01-12 14:38 <Tampa> Check table and collation/charset see if perhaps something screwed up during your migration
2021-01-12 14:38 <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, So in the database, the notice is there, except.. It's not got a message.
2021-01-12 14:38 <Tampa> Was your previous mysql setup using myisam as table engine perhaps?
2021-01-12 14:39 <Psi-Jack> No, it had all been long since converted to InnoDB
2021-01-12 14:39 <Psi-Jack> Using Groups V2.
2021-01-12 14:39 <Psi-Jack> Ahhh, collation is latin1_swedish_ci. :/
2021-01-12 14:41 <Psi-Jack> What should that be, specifically?
2021-01-12 14:42 <Psi-Jack> I see a lot of things from the old are latin1_swedish_ci, and others, utf8_general_ci.
2021-01-12 14:42 <Tampa> I have latin for that as well
2021-01-12 14:42 <Psi-Jack> hmm
2021-01-12 14:43 <Tampa> cp1252 charset
2021-01-12 14:44 <Tampa>   `Subject` varchar(255) CHARACTER SET utf8 NOT NULL default '',
2021-01-12 14:44 <Tampa>   `Message` text CHARACTER SET utf8 NOT NULL,
2021-01-12 14:44 <Tampa> You may have to change collation for those fields though
2021-01-12 14:45 <Tampa> OpenSim\Data\MySQL\Resources Is where the migrations are located if you want to verify correct setup
2021-01-12 14:47 <Psi-Jack> That in the source code?
2021-01-12 14:48 <Tampa> Yes
2021-01-12 15:03 <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. So, the Message has content...
2021-01-12 15:03 <Psi-Jack> And I altered the field. But, still shows blank in world
2021-01-12 15:05 <Psi-Jack> Annnd still getting the message about  the notice not found, composing empty message. hmm
2021-01-12 15:15 <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, I fixed all the columns of all the group tables, and still... No change.
2021-01-12 15:31 <Psi-Jack> And I only get the earlier message when the notice is new. Once I refresh the notice list, that error stops happening, but the message continues to be blank.
2021-01-12 15:31 <Psi-Jack> It's populated in the database.
2021-01-12 15:36 <piusnoel> good you remember me, I also had issues with group messages after grid migration. I will dig into this later this week.
2021-01-12 15:36 <Psi-Jack> Messages, or Notices?
2021-01-12 15:37 <Psi-Jack> Notices are the problem for me, in history, not in the immediate popup (which works!), but soon as you look into the notice history, The Subject, From, and Date exists, but you can't get the Message or Attachment.
2021-01-12 15:38 <piusnoel> oops... im my case messages. just checked. Notices work.
2021-01-12 15:39 <piusnoel> my group messages time out.
2021-01-12 15:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #7507 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2021-01-12 15:39 <Psi-Jack> Yeah. Mine used to, but it was on a bad old server on Windows. :)
2021-01-12 15:39 <Ubit> grrr
2021-01-12 15:39 <Psi-Jack> I migrated MySQL 5.7 (Windows), to MariaDB 10.3.25 (Linux)
2021-01-12 15:40 <Ubit> duhh
2021-01-12 15:41 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7507: FAILURE in 2 min 41 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7507/
2021-01-12 15:41 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add os[Link]ParticleSystem with expire option. If expire true and system MaxAge > 0, the system will be be (lazy) removed from the prim after that MaxAge
2021-01-12 15:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #7508 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7506 2 hr 20 min ago)
2021-01-12 15:41 <Psi-Jack> heh
2021-01-12 15:42 <Ubit> what heck
2021-01-12 15:42 <Psi-Jack> [Groups]: Group Notice c472c675-903e-1865-c718-540643509b5d not found, composing empty message. 
2021-01-12 15:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7508: STILL FAILING in 1 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7508/
2021-01-12 15:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: good idea to commit the actual code..
2021-01-12 15:43 <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, That UUID should be what's in the actual DB as NoticeID?
2021-01-12 15:43 <Psi-Jack> I ask, because, the actual NoticeID for the matching one according to that specific notice, is 19e37951-0a03-41fa-8a23-50bb286ea4b6, completely different.
2021-01-12 15:44 <djphil> osParticleSystem(key primId, list rules) is allowed now ?
2021-01-12 15:45 <djphil> See me geature request @ http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8478
2021-01-12 15:45 <djphil> feature*
2021-01-12 15:46 <Psi-Jack> 
ACTION sighs.

2021-01-12 15:46 <Psi-Jack> From one problem... To another...
2021-01-12 15:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #7509 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #7506 2 hr 25 min ago)
2021-01-12 15:46 <Ubit> yeah misisng
2021-01-12 15:46 <Ubit> uff
2021-01-12 15:47 <Ubit>         void osParticleSystem(LSL_List rules, LSL_Integer expire);
2021-01-12 15:47 <Ubit>         void osLinkParticleSystem(LSL_Integer linknumber, LSL_List rules, LSL_Integer expire);
2021-01-12 15:47 <Ubit> if expire == false is like the ll
2021-01-12 15:47 <Ubit> if true AND maxage == 0   same as ll
2021-01-12 15:48 <djphil> and where is primID ??? :o
2021-01-12 15:48 <Ubit> otherwise the particle system is ignored and removed next time sim sends it to anyone
2021-01-12 15:48 <djphil> it's primID that would be really interesting ...
2021-01-12 15:49 <Ubit> what primid?
2021-01-12 15:49 <djphil> like this osParticleSystem(key primId, list rules)
2021-01-12 15:49 <Ubit> nahhh
2021-01-12 15:49 <djphil> to allow remote prim to generate particles
2021-01-12 15:49 <Ubit> this is about a sl bug
2021-01-12 15:50 <Ubit> i do not want that :p
2021-01-12 15:50 <Ubit> only on linkset as before
2021-01-12 15:50 <djphil> it would be really cool if you can do that, frankly
2021-01-12 15:50 <Ubit> yeah and more rights checks blabla
2021-01-12 15:51 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2021-01-12 15:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7509: FIXED in 4 min 29 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7509/
2021-01-12 15:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: .. and another misisng change
2021-01-12 15:51 <djphil> linkset we already have ... it's too limited
2021-01-12 15:51 <Ubit> well for now was that mantis issue
2021-01-12 15:51 <Ubit> everytime we login we get the crap particles
2021-01-12 15:51 <Ubit> or if anything on the prim changes
2021-01-12 15:51 <djphil> ok i didn't see the mantis problem
2021-01-12 15:51 <djphil> my mantis was a request for a new feature
2021-01-12 15:52 <Ubit> not that
2021-01-12 15:53 <djphil> ha I see the 'shit' particles thing I have that too
2021-01-12 15:53 <djphil> I tried to cancel cel with empty list rule
2021-01-12 15:54 <djphil> But I still hope you can fulfill my feature request for particles (mantis # 8478 )
2021-01-12 15:54 <djphil> I would be really happy with this and imagine a lot of other users will be too :)
2021-01-12 15:54 <Ubit> ll fix is to use a timer
2021-01-12 15:55 <djphil> ok, i understand now the new "expire" param
2021-01-12 15:56 <djphil> I will make an example if it is not already done
2021-01-12 15:56 <djphil> I wrote down your explanation on this subject
2021-01-12 15:57 <Psi-Jack> So any other thoughts on the group notices history showing up blank? 
2021-01-12 15:57 <Psi-Jack> Blank for messages themselves, though the field is populated.
2021-01-12 15:58 <djphil> don't forget the highlight ... and for osSHA256 too ;)
2021-01-12 15:58 <piusnoel> no, sorry, not me, Psi-Jack.
2021-01-12 15:59 <osmantis> Bug #8853:04 This is about a previous problem with "do not try to pass touch events to root prim if it does not have them" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8853 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-12 15:59 <Ubit> that mantis..
2021-01-12 16:01 <Ubit> can add the wiki dj?
2021-01-12 16:02 <Ubit> well this the ll one should do this anyway
2021-01-12 16:02 <djphil> ho ok i see too the problem with the right clic
2021-01-12 16:03 <djphil> this is slightly different than the problem i thought
2021-01-12 16:03 <Ubit> yeah that click make sim send a full update
2021-01-12 16:03 <Ubit> and the full update makes the viewer do the particles again
2021-01-12 16:03 <djphil> in fact it also makes particles without right click. it sometimes happens too
2021-01-12 16:03 <Psi-Jack> Ugh, this is so f'kin frustrating.
2021-01-12 16:03 <Ubit> actually why do i have a parameter expire??
2021-01-12 16:03 <djphil> but it is quite possible that the new function also fixes this problem
2021-01-12 16:04 <djphil> I will check that too
2021-01-12 16:04 <Ubit> unless you touch before the maxage
2021-01-12 16:04 <Ubit> but can't prevent that
2021-01-12 16:04 <Ubit> it is viewer bug
2021-01-12 16:05 <djphil> i will test this
2021-01-12 16:05 <djphil> and yes i can do the wiki on that too
2021-01-12 16:05 <Ubit> but ask for a fix is another year waiting, after them accepting i as a issue
2021-01-12 16:05 <Ubit> ll refused to fix
2021-01-12 16:05 <Ubit> just say use a timer to turn off
2021-01-12 16:06 <djphil> arfff :s
2021-01-12 16:06 <Ubit> hmm going to remove the parameter
2021-01-12 16:06 <djphil> is null
2021-01-12 16:07 <Ubit> i mean the expire parameter
2021-01-12 16:09 <djphil> to correct is better than to delete
2021-01-12 16:09 <djphil> but deleting is probably easier
2021-01-12 16:09 <Ubit> lets see if i commit all the files at once this time
2021-01-12 16:09 <djphil> The shortest way is not always the best :p
2021-01-12 16:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #7510 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2021-01-12 16:13 <Ubit> ok so guess more clean this way
2021-01-12 16:13 <djphil> Hmmm I hope I won't make a mistake on the wiki with all these successive changes ^^
2021-01-12 16:14 <Ubit>         void osParticleSystem(LSL_List rules);
2021-01-12 16:14 <Ubit>         void osLinkParticleSystem(LSL_Integer linknumber, LSL_List rules);
2021-01-12 16:15 <djphil> Hmmm what's the difference with ll then :o
2021-01-12 16:15 <Ubit> grrr
2021-01-12 16:15 <Ubit> if maxage != 0  the particleSystem is deleted
2021-01-12 16:15 <djphil> ok, only that ^^
2021-01-12 16:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7510: SUCCESS in 4 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7510/
2021-01-12 16:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove the expire argument from os[Link]ParticleSystem.. expire is controled by maxage != 0
2021-01-12 16:19 <osmantis> Bug #8853:04 This is about a previous problem with "do not try to pass touch events to root prim if it does not have them" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8853 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-12 16:19 <Ubit> there.. better?
2021-01-12 16:20 <djphil> yeap, i have understand :p
2021-01-12 16:21 <osmantis> Bug #8853:04 This is about a previous problem with "do not try to pass touch events to root prim if it does not have them" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8853 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-12 16:22 <Psi-Jack> Oooookay... So, further testing.
2021-01-12 16:22 <Ubit> testing.. always fun :p
2021-01-12 16:22 <Psi-Jack> Attaching something to the notice, a notecard, and NOW I can see the message for /those/ notices.. But not others without an attachment.
2021-01-12 16:23 <piusnoel> sounds strange, both work for me.
2021-01-12 16:25 <djphil> Functions added to the scripts main page. Exemples coming later, too busy for now
2021-01-12 16:26 <djphil> to the "prim" serction
2021-01-12 16:26 <Ubit> see on the list
2021-01-12 16:27 <piusnoel> Psi-Jack: sorry, I have the same issue. 
2021-01-12 16:27 <Psi-Jack> Heh
2021-01-12 16:27 <Ubit> what groups module?
2021-01-12 16:27 <Psi-Jack> V2
2021-01-12 16:27 <Ubit> yeack
2021-01-12 16:27 <Ubit> that needs lobe
2021-01-12 16:28 <Psi-Jack> heh.... Is it better to migrate back to flotsam somehow?
2021-01-12 16:28 <Psi-Jack> it's wierd that group notices only work when you attach something. That's very specific.. LOL
2021-01-12 16:29 <Ubit> well currently im using Module = GroupsModule on my test
2021-01-12 16:30 <Ubit> oops and osgrid grid side on my test grid LOL
2021-01-12 16:31 <Psi-Jack> Huh.. V2 seems to be the default.
2021-01-12 16:32 <Ubit> since i depend a bit on osgrid for testing and osg uses flot.. i change it more
2021-01-12 16:33 <Ubit> v2 needs lobe again
2021-01-12 16:33 <Ubit> what is the issue?
2021-01-12 16:33 <Psi-Jack> Hmmm yeah, cause I have test regions running two different versions from git. 
2021-01-12 16:33 <osmantis> Bug #8853:04 This is about a previous problem with "do not try to pass touch events to root prim if it does not have them" 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8853 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-12 16:33 <Psi-Jack> So, Notices is the issue.
2021-01-12 16:33 <Ubit> notices don't work?
2021-01-12 16:33 <Psi-Jack> They /work/ but the history doesn't.
2021-01-12 16:34 <Ubit> yeack
2021-01-12 16:34 <Psi-Jack> Database shows data for all fields appropriate, when in the viewer you send a notice without attachment, people online see it. But when you go into Group profile, Notices, and try to look at it there, empty message.
2021-01-12 16:34 <Psi-Jack> When you send a notice WITH attachment, Message shows up in the history just fine.
2021-01-12 16:34 <Ubit> ok ill try to look
2021-01-12 16:35 <Ubit> if i remember how to mk my grid used them :p
2021-01-12 16:35 <Ubit> use
2021-01-12 16:35 <Psi-Jack> DEBUG [Groups]: Group Notice 272ee74c-6079-9e0c-6e34-21bc063466b2 not found, composing empty message.
2021-01-12 16:35 <Psi-Jack> That's also something I see when sending a notice without attachment, and trying to look it up immediately.
2021-01-12 16:35 <Ubit> gez will messup regions also grrr
2021-01-12 16:35 <Psi-Jack> That NoticeID doesn't match what's actualy in the DB.
2021-01-12 16:36 <Psi-Jack> Exactly Ubit... Why changing group modules is ... 
2021-01-12 16:36 <Psi-Jack> Not an easy thing to consider! LOL
2021-01-12 16:36 <Ubit> well it is a test grid
2021-01-12 16:37 <Psi-Jack> In your case, Yes. :)
2021-01-12 16:37 <Psi-Jack> I need to clone my opensim database and create a new test grid from that.
2021-01-12 16:38 <Psi-Jack> Probably dump my inventory as an IAR and import that into the test grid, too. LOL
2021-01-12 16:38 <Ubit> that error is on create im
2021-01-12 16:38 <Psi-Jack> Notice, but yes.
2021-01-12 16:38 <Psi-Jack> After notice, selecting it in the notices list.
2021-01-12 16:38 <Psi-Jack> Before refreshing the list.
2021-01-12 16:39 <Psi-Jack> Once you refresh, the error never shows back up.
2021-01-12 16:39 <Psi-Jack> But, message still remains empty.
2021-01-12 16:39 <Ubit> and that is a request from viewer
2021-01-12 16:40 <Psi-Jack> With attachment, too, never get an error. It just works, period. LOL
2021-01-12 16:45 <piusnoel> the error 17:43:06 - [Groups]: Group Notice 0a6f9e8b-80b6-f7b0-63d0-d3320dadf6a0 not found, composing empty message. appears when I double click on any of the Notices with no attachments from the list in the viewer.
2021-01-12 16:46 <piusnoel> all with the same id? "shrugs*
2021-01-12 16:54 <Psi-Jack> Mine has not been with the same ID.
2021-01-12 17:05 <Psi-Jack> Yep. This is consistent with the two versions of 0.9.2-git I've got running, within the main grid. heh
2021-01-12 17:05 <Psi-Jack> Attachment works, without does not. Such a wierd and oddly specific issue.
2021-01-12 17:29 <Psi-Jack> Heh. Funny one, too. If I change the HasAttachment value to 1 from 0 in the os_groups_notices table for a notice that didn't work, it works, despite not having an actual attachment.
2021-01-12 17:55 <piusnoel> Could it be a viewer issue?
2021-01-12 17:56 <piusnoel> I'm using Firestorm 6.4.12...
2021-01-12 18:01 <Ubit> fun issue
2021-01-12 18:01 <Ubit> no it is region issue
2021-01-12 18:03 <piusnoel> very strange
2021-01-12 18:03 <Ubit> c# is losing data
2021-01-12 18:04 <Ubit> this damm code is also total spargetti gezz
2021-01-12 18:04 <Psi-Jack> No. I tried singularity and Alchemy too
2021-01-12 18:04 <Ubit> it is not viewer
2021-01-12 18:04 <Psi-Jack> Yep
2021-01-12 18:04 <Ubit> im seeing it and where
2021-01-12 18:05 <Psi-Jack> Ohhh? Nice!
2021-01-12 18:05 <Ubit> now fix is other story :P
2021-01-12 18:05 <Ubit> on ocasions i just consider delete all this module
2021-01-12 18:05 <Ubit> :p
2021-01-12 18:06 <Ubit> but ok not today
2021-01-12 18:06 <piusnoel> *loooooooooool*
2021-01-12 18:06 <piusnoel> is it somewhere deep under the hood?
2021-01-12 18:08 <piusnoel> I looked in GroupsModule.cs but could not see any difference between with/without attachments.
2021-01-12 18:08 <Ubit> ok a fun issue
2021-01-12 18:08 <Ubit> return blabla()  lost the return value
2021-01-12 18:09 <Ubit> had to do var tmp = ...; return tmp
2021-01-12 18:09 <Ubit> but till not working
2021-01-12 18:21 <Psi-Jack> Haha well then. I will be glad to test it once its fixed.
2021-01-12 18:28 <piusnoel> me too ;) I hope I can fix the other issue I have til then ^^
2021-01-12 18:46 <BillBlight> Meeting, Dev Outreach, 15 minute warning
2021-01-12 18:46 <Ubit> ty
2021-01-12 18:46 <BillBlight> Be sure to tell Plugh's cat
2021-01-12 18:46 <Ubit> was forgetting it with that notices thing
2021-01-12 18:47 <Ubit> meowww meowww Meowww!
2021-01-12 18:47 <Ubit> ;)
2021-01-12 18:53 <Psi-Jack> lol. Are these meetings open to public and if so where and how so i know when they are?
2021-01-12 18:53 <Ubit> they are open
2021-01-12 18:54 <Ubit> osgrid region dev outreach
2021-01-12 18:54 <Ubit> duhh that info is at our site
2021-01-12 18:59 <Psi-Jack> Hehe. I think when I clone my open sim database I’m going to try running it on another server and run it as it should with case sensitivity back on. Moving from windows to Linux broke some things but setting one mariadb setting worked around it.
2021-01-12 21:11 <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, well dang.
2021-01-12 21:12 <Psi-Jack> I tried to put in a trigger-based bandaid to kind of work around the issue by injecting a notecard into any notice that doesn't have an attachment.
2021-01-12 21:13 <Psi-Jack> https://paste.linux-help.org/view/b5608692
2021-01-12 21:13 <Psi-Jack> Is what I came up with, but that, causes exceptions on Robust. LOL
2021-01-12 21:58 <BillBlight> just my take, if you wanted that to work , you may have to add that notecard to the default asset set on robust, as to the owner, not sure if that would work right as when a person gets the notice they are now the owner of the notecard.  but honestly have not even looked at the issue, I don't use V2 so never noticed the issue
2021-01-12 22:12 <Tampa> The server returns no message it seems hence why it cannot compute the full response to the call, this might be a bug
2021-01-12 22:12 <Tampa> I'll have to find the code, perhaps just a typo who knows
2021-01-12 22:15 <Tampa> Ah there is the message
2021-01-12 22:15 <Tampa> So it does return it after all
2021-01-12 22:15 <Tampa> Perhaps the format in the viewer has changed?
2021-01-12 22:15 <Ubit> ill look for the issue tomorrow
2021-01-12 22:16 <Tampa> 2021/01/12 23:14:45 - [LOGHTTP]: RESPONSE 88260: <?xml version="1.0"?><ServerResponse><RESULT type="List"><NoticeID>ade27255-ba0c-4262-8e6d-0c05a1198057</NoticeID><Timestamp>1610489315</Timestamp><FromName>Vincent Sylvester</FromName><Subject>More testing</Subject><HasAttachment>False</HasAttachment><AttachmentItemID>00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000</AttachmentItemID><AttachmentName></AttachmentName><AttachmentType>0</AttachmentType><AttachmentO
2021-01-12 22:16 <Tampa> wnerID></AttachmentOwnerID><GroupID>f026ff1d-b2b2-40fc-a08a-e7cacab23b5c</GroupID><Message>Let's see what is broken huh</Message></RESULT></ServerResponse>
2021-01-12 22:16 <Ubit> was interrupted by the meeting and cant see now
2021-01-12 22:17 <Tampa> At least that somewhat tells us the DB is probably fine I'd say
2021-01-12 22:17 <Ubit> i found the issue area
2021-01-12 22:18 <Ubit> is somewhere sending the info to viewer
2021-01-12 22:18 <Ubit> ill look
2021-01-12 22:19 <Tampa> I never really used notices so I never .. heh.. noticed they were broken like this
2021-01-12 22:22 <Tampa> Definitely seems some changes on viewer, the group also shows as (none) when receiving the notice, guess that's missing group uuid or something
2021-01-12 22:22 <Tampa> Odd
2021-01-12 22:23 <Ubit> the xml one is working
2021-01-12 22:23 <Ubit> i ll look again tomorrow
2021-01-12 22:45 <Plugh> Is that a problem only affecting core groups?
2021-01-12 23:47 <Tampa> V2
2021-01-12 23:47 <Tampa> I really wonder what it is, it has to be some protocol mismatch I would say
2021-01-13 00:19 <Tampa> I tried xml groups or whatever, I can't get those to work at all for some reason
2021-01-13 00:20 <Tampa> If viewer source wasn't such a mess I'd look for clues there :s
2021-01-13 00:21 <Tampa> Seems xml groups kinda post this stuff in different order, which shouldn't really matter if the xml is pulled apart according to the tags
2021-01-13 00:59 <Psi-Jack> hmmm
2021-01-13 01:00 <Psi-Jack> Heh. I'm getting very daunted by the notion that V2 is so.... under used,.
2021-01-13 01:13 <Psi-Jack> Well, the bandaid works..... And the attached notecard, only I, the actual owner, can retrieve from the notice, others can't which is fine because it's just there to provide access to the notices.
2021-01-13 01:28 <Tampa> V2 is standard I think so most should be using it
2021-01-13 01:29 <Psi-Jack> Even though everything claims it to be developmental, and nothing else supports it? (I'm referring to 3rd party like jOpenSim doesn't support it, mostly)
2021-01-13 01:32 <Tampa> jopensim utilizes joomla which in itself is just horrid so that's not worlds end
2021-01-13 01:32 <Tampa> You also don't need much interfacing with it
2021-01-13 01:32 <Psi-Jack> Heh.. True, but it's the only still surviving thing that integrates with opensim for grid management, registration, and such.
2021-01-13 01:33 <Tampa> The old free panel I made should still work and I still work on the new one
2021-01-13 01:33 <Tampa> There is a wordpress one in the works I think
2021-01-13 01:33 <Psi-Jack> Ugh, wordpress? Heh
2021-01-13 01:34 <Tampa> There is also another panel, forgot the name
2021-01-13 01:34 <Tampa> Though that's paid I think
2021-01-13 01:36 <Psi-Jack> new one?
2021-01-13 01:37 <Tampa> Been out for a while, only stumbled upon it two years ago
2021-01-13 01:45 <Psi-Jack> What is it? Any link to it? I've never seen anything. I've seen others come and go, like d4os, which I hoped would've survived.
2021-01-13 01:46 <Tampa> Was some German dude making it not sure if it is even available in English
2021-01-13 01:46 <Psi-Jack> Oh. heh
2021-01-13 01:46 <Psi-Jack> There was that Japanese one too, for xoops, I think. 
2021-01-13 01:47 <Tampa> https://grid.kubwa.de/?cmd=about&id=managerinfo  found it
2021-01-13 01:48 <Psi-Jack> Wow... Automatic backups.
2021-01-13 01:48 <Psi-Jack> console access via web...
2021-01-13 01:49 <Tampa> Most of that stuff is built-in or through remoteadmin rest console type deal
2021-01-13 01:49 <Tampa> Just have to configure that which most don't bother with
2021-01-13 01:50 <Psi-Jack> yeah. I've been looking at remoteadmin stuff, trying to get jOpenSim to work with it, but so far no dice, because it uses flotsam groups. Pain in the arse. LOL
2021-01-13 01:51 <Tampa> Interfacing with OpenSim is not difficult, well on Linux at least
2021-01-13 01:51 <Tampa> some php and bash and you are good
2021-01-13 01:51 <Psi-Jack> Yeah. PHP, Python, bash, etc, yeah.
2021-01-13 01:52 <Psi-Jack> I've been looking into it, because I'm trying to improve the overall quality of things. With now running 6 region servers, a dedicated server for Robust, and a web/mariadb server, configuration management by Rudder+Ansible, and monitoring with Consul+Prometheus, it's getting pretty..... Big. LOL
2021-01-13 01:54 <Tampa> With 6 region servers gotta be the biggest grid out there
2021-01-13 01:55 <Psi-Jack> Yep. We are up there in the Hypergrid Business top 10. :)
2021-01-13 01:56 <Psi-Jack> At least we have been.
2021-01-13 01:57 <Tampa> Gotta be top 3 with that many servers
2021-01-13 01:58 <Psi-Jack> Hehe, Well, we are a persistent bunch. :)
2021-01-13 02:00 <Tampa> I don't even exactly remember when I opened ZetaWorlds
2021-01-13 02:00 <Tampa> must be like 9 years ago
2021-01-13 02:01 <Psi-Jack> You mentioned making something yourself? And still working on "the new one?"
2021-01-13 02:02 <Tampa> Not sure if the git for the old panel is still there
2021-01-13 02:02 <Tampa> Been busy just redoing the whole website part of zw
2021-01-13 02:02 <Tampa> Keep getting distracted by OpenSim bugs lol
2021-01-13 02:03 <Psi-Jack> Heh
2021-01-13 02:03 <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I see Zeta Worlds is a CMS made from scratch, specifically for all this. Very impressive actually.
2021-01-13 02:04 <Tampa> It's same panel all the customers get
2021-01-13 02:04 <Tampa> Eating my own dog food even as a cat person
2021-01-13 02:05 <Psi-Jack> LOL
2021-01-13 02:05 <Psi-Jack> Yeah. I've been considering a bit of making a new system but, I just don't have... time.
2021-01-13 02:06 <Tampa> I set a google alert for "first working clone machine"... one day... one day
2021-01-13 02:09 <Psi-Jack> Heh, hell, I'm surprised Xoops even still... exists.
2021-01-13 02:21 <Psi-Jack> RemoteAdmin is based around REST protocol is it?
2021-01-13 02:21 <Psi-Jack> Or is it XMLRPC?
2021-01-13 02:23 <Tampa> er... good question
2021-01-13 02:23 <Tampa> I never actually used it so I never checked xD
2021-01-13 02:28 <Psi-Jack> Huh.. Well, that's unexpected. Apparently my (ex)-wife actually got it on her own, a new license plate and registration for the car, without telling me. Glad she did, but, still! LOL
2021-01-13 02:32 <Psi-Jack> Hell, at this point, though, I might just be taking a look into what jOpenSim is doing, and just re-write it, better. Or, start with a different system, and build on it. Initially all I need is user registration, age checking even if it's minimal, and friends list and grid stat modules/widgets
2021-01-13 02:34 <Tampa> User registration gets complex quickly
2021-01-13 02:34 <Psi-Jack> heh, does it?
2021-01-13 02:34 <Tampa> Checking correct name, email, password, setting default avatar
2021-01-13 02:35 <Psi-Jack> Ahhhhh yes.. And we have... several avatar options.
2021-01-13 02:36 <Psi-Jack> So RemoteAdmin is XMLRPC, while there is a -console rest, which is.. different?
2021-01-13 02:36 <Psi-Jack> heh
2021-01-13 02:37 <Psi-Jack> Yeah, RemoteAdmin is definitely different.
2021-01-13 03:03 <Psi-Jack> Well, with find+sed magic, all regions will have RAdmin enabled, finally. LOL
2021-01-13 03:21 <Plugh> If you are on Linux you should use regexxer.
2021-01-13 03:28 <Psi-Jack> heh, I should look that up. Never heard of that one.
2021-01-13 04:01 <Plugh> Psi-Jack: If you ever need to do search/replace of strings across multiple files in multiple directories it is so much easier with regexxer. The one catch about it is that its a GUI based program. 
2021-01-13 04:01 <Psi-Jack> That's a big catch.
2021-01-13 04:01 <Psi-Jack> These are... Servers. No GUI.
2021-01-13 04:50 <Plugh> If you are on a machine with a GUI you can use a remote X session.
2021-01-13 04:50 <Psi-Jack> Heh, it's still scarey, the amount of cli bash scripting I've done around this whole thing.
2021-01-13 04:51 <Psi-Jack> utilizing screen to run normal consoles of opensim as services, wrapped around region@.service systemd units, with regionctl, robustctl, and moneyctl.
2021-01-13 04:52 <Psi-Jack> Plugh, Can, but I choose not to since that's likely going to change when Wayland is standard, which is coming .
2021-01-13 04:52 <Plugh> Wayland? Is that a Mac thing?
2021-01-13 04:53 <Psi-Jack> No.
2021-01-13 04:53 <Psi-Jack> That's a Linux thing.
2021-01-13 04:53 <Psi-Jack> It's going to be what finally replaces X11
2021-01-13 04:54 <Plugh> How far off is that? Sounds like it could require all GUI programs to be updated to work with it.
2021-01-13 04:54 <Psi-Jack> A lot already are. Gnome and KDE have already got Wayland support.
2021-01-13 04:54 <Psi-Jack> And they have wayland_x11 to support X11 apps for the time being too.
2021-01-13 04:55 <Psi-Jack> Gnome already uses Wayland, by default, unless you use proprietary display drivers (nvidia).
2021-01-13 04:55 <diva> I have a sim that is having trouble restarting. It's stuck here:
2021-01-13 04:55 <diva> 20:54:09 - [VECTORRENDERMODULE]: using font "Arial" for text rendering.
2021-01-13 04:55 <diva> any ideas?
2021-01-13 04:56 <diva> a bad texture ir something?
2021-01-13 05:03 <diva> shooot now it's all my sims that aren't starting
2021-01-13 05:03 <diva> I deleted the asset cache already
2021-01-13 05:04 <diva> wtf
2021-01-13 05:05 <diva> they're all stuck in the same line
2021-01-13 05:08 <diva> oh weird, it came back
2021-01-13 05:09 <diva> I blame the Russians
2021-01-13 07:50 <Plugh> Psi-Jack: I am using the nvidia drivers on my machine.\
2021-01-13 10:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #7511 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-01-13 10:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7511: SUCCESS in 6 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7511/
2021-01-13 10:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix groups v2 notices
2021-01-13 10:53 <piusnoel> I did not yet test all aspects but groups v2 notices seems to work now. thank you.
2021-01-13 11:16 <Ubit> not possible broke it :)
2021-01-13 11:17 <Ubit> now i mean
2021-01-13 11:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #7512 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-01-13 11:22 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7512: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7512/
2021-01-13 11:22 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: simplify groups v2 cache
2021-01-13 13:23 <Psi-Jack> Ohhhh is the groups bug fixed? :D
2021-01-13 13:31 <Tampa> Not sure what he did with that cache yet still reading code, the original fix though looks like it was just that
2021-01-13 14:04 <Psi-Jack> Well, I've got it compiled at least.
2021-01-13 16:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #7513 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-01-13 16:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7513: SUCCESS in 5 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7513/
2021-01-13 16:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: more changes to smartthreadpool
2021-01-13 18:42 <osmantis> Bug #8849:04 My Grid OpenSim turns off after a few seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8849 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-13 18:59 <osmantis> Bug #8849:04 My Grid OpenSim turns off after a few seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8849 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-14 02:40 <Psi-Jack> Is there a viable way to verify DB schema? Like I'm trying to verify that prims.text is correct, as right now I'm seeing some exceptions thrown about prims.text and what looks to be potential UTF8 issues, and prims.Text on database tself, is latin1_swedish_ci
2021-01-14 02:42 <Psi-Jack> And http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Prims_(database_table) -- Doesn't actually detail if CHARACTER SET is set any differently.
2021-01-14 02:45 <Psi-Jack> Ahh, that's in the OpenSim/Data/MySQL/Resources/RegionStore.migrations file.
2021-01-14 02:54 <Plugh> I don't recognize a table name of prims.text
2021-01-14 02:54 <Psi-Jack> prims.Text, specifically. prims is table, Text is column
2021-01-14 02:55 <Plugh> ok. I've never used that method of referencing a field in SQL.
2021-01-14 02:56 <Plugh> If you are in a case sensitive environment the field name starts with a capital T. I don't think it is case sensitive for field names.
2021-01-14 02:56 <Psi-Jack> Really? That's standard. :)
2021-01-14 02:57 <Psi-Jack> usually it'
2021-01-14 02:57 <Psi-Jack> usually it's schema.table.column, by mysql doesn't have different schemas per database, so it's just table.column
2021-01-14 02:58 <Psi-Jack> or `table`.`column`
2021-01-14 02:58 <Psi-Jack> I have case sensative tables/columns turned off due to the migration from Windows->Linux.
2021-01-14 02:58 <Psi-Jack> PITA, but I'll fix it, THEN re-enable that proper. :)
2021-01-14 02:59 <Plugh> Hard to tell out of context.
2021-01-14 03:00 <Psi-Jack> Anyway.. I'm getting these errors.
2021-01-14 03:00 <Psi-Jack> Storing of CG Goat, c8221d4b-3d88-49ee-8255-4f02cf210a8d in RegionName failed with exception Incorrect string value: '\xE2\x99\x80\x0A5 ...' for column `opensim`.`prims`.`Text` at row 1
2021-01-14 03:00 <Psi-Jack> MySQL error in ExecuteNonQuery: Incorrect string value: '\xE2\x99\x82\x0A6 ...' for column `opensim`.`prims`.`Text` at row 1
2021-01-14 03:00 <Psi-Jack> And that.
2021-01-14 03:02 <Ubit> that is a 4 byte utf8, the db is set to 3byte utf8
2021-01-14 03:02 <Psi-Jack> Hmmmm.
2021-01-14 03:03 <Psi-Jack> But the column itself is latin1?
2021-01-14 03:03 <Ubit> no
2021-01-14 03:03 <Psi-Jack> According to the migrations it is....
2021-01-14 03:03 <Ubit> now columns have own char set when needed
2021-01-14 03:03 <Ubit> what table?
2021-01-14 03:03 <Psi-Jack> prims table is default CHARSET=latin1.
2021-01-14 03:05 <Ubit> yeah i didn't changed that
2021-01-14 03:05 <Ubit> adn that problematic.. it large already
2021-01-14 03:05 <Psi-Jack> And column Text, is not latin1, as per the default.
2021-01-14 03:05 <Psi-Jack> Er, IS latin1. :)
2021-01-14 03:06 <Ubit> yeah that should be utf8
2021-01-14 03:06 <Psi-Jack> Heh, so a big in the migrations?
2021-01-14 03:06 <Psi-Jack> bug*
2021-01-14 03:06 <Ubit> nahhh
2021-01-14 03:06 <Ubit> a feature :p
2021-01-14 03:06 <Psi-Jack> LOl
2021-01-14 03:07 <Psi-Jack> I mean, should I fix it, manually? LOL
2021-01-14 03:07 <Ubit> that is so large.. not sure it will not blow up
2021-01-14 03:07 <Psi-Jack> Heh
2021-01-14 03:08 <Psi-Jack> Well, my entire raw database can fit in RAM 100%, comfortably.
2021-01-14 03:08 <Ubit> mysql imposes limits on things
2021-01-14 03:08 <Psi-Jack> But yeah, that's 1.8GiB
2021-01-14 03:08 <Ubit> or maria
2021-01-14 03:09 <Ubit> what im looking is row size
2021-01-14 03:09 <Psi-Jack> 1.5million rows
2021-01-14 03:09 <Ubit> i said row size, not number of row :p
2021-01-14 03:10 <Ubit> i had issues one some other table
2021-01-14 03:10 <Psi-Jack> Ahh heh
2021-01-14 03:10 <Ubit> CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS `regionwindlight` (
2021-01-14 03:10 <Psi-Jack> Ugh, right now, my 4 dogs are staring at me.
2021-01-14 03:10 <Ubit> this is no longer used
2021-01-14 03:10 <Ubit> im lazy :p
2021-01-14 03:11 <Ubit> CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS `regionenvironment` (
2021-01-14 03:11 <Ubit> this one is
2021-01-14 03:11 <Ubit> and stores only serielized data like all that crap should
2021-01-14 03:12 <Ubit> well the change to floats i made there save spave
2021-01-14 03:13 <Ubit> no idea why there was the feel one needed doubles to store floats
2021-01-14 03:13 <Ubit> well mb old mysql thins
2021-01-14 03:14 <Psi-Jack> heh
2021-01-14 03:17 <Plugh> The DB can be set to a specific number of bytes per UTF8? I thought you just set it to utf8 and your'e done.
2021-01-14 03:17 <Psi-Jack> Well, utf8 is 3-byte, utf8mb4, is 4-byte.
2021-01-14 03:18 <Plugh> That seems like a silly, not to mention annoying and probably bug producing, thing.
2021-01-14 03:19 <Ubit> 3byte was mysql standard
2021-01-14 03:19 <Psi-Jack> Correct
2021-01-14 03:19 <Ubit> silly is using odd chars :p
2021-01-14 03:19 <Psi-Jack> So don’t break what you started
2021-01-14 03:21 <Ubit> some tables did blow up un mb4
2021-01-14 03:21 <Ubit> i changed then.. but one for new ones
2021-01-14 03:21 <Ubit> ..only.
2021-01-14 03:21 <Ubit> like the groups ones etc
2021-01-14 03:21 <Psi-Jack> So... any particular recommendation for my current issue? lol
2021-01-14 03:22 <Ubit> don't use silly chars :p
2021-01-14 03:22 <Ubit> that is a old issue several mantis
2021-01-14 03:34 <Psi-Jack> heh
2021-01-14 03:45 <Psi-Jack> Well, apparently someone in the HG universe is using utf8 or utf8mb4 for their prims.Text, because it's all over the place in Satyr Farms stuff. LOL
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2021-01-14 20:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7514: SUCCESS in 7 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7514/
2021-01-14 20:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: avoid a null ref on hg useragentservice
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2021-01-15 18:08 <osmantis> Bug #6311:04 llGiveInventoryList no longer functions as expected. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6311 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-15 18:26 <osmantis> Bug #6311:04 llGiveInventoryList no longer functions as expected. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6311 ): has been CLOSED
2021-01-16 02:20 <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, how do you clean up ghost tiles on the map?
2021-01-16 02:21 <Psi-Jack> For regions that used to be there, but are not anymore.
2021-01-16 02:59 <BillBlight> Shutdown the region correctly, clear out the robust mapties directory, clear them from the DB .. But they could be stuck in local viewer cache as well ..
2021-01-16 03:02 <Psi-Jack> Hmmmm, DB?
2021-01-16 03:04 <Psi-Jack> Ohhhhhhh.. robust maptilfes/00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000
2021-01-16 04:23 <Plugh> Getting rid of ghost tiles is a pita.
2021-01-16 04:25 <Psi-Jack> heh
2021-01-16 04:25 <Psi-Jack> So, I am noticing!
2021-01-16 04:27 <Tampa> You can also make an empty water region and deploy that to spots you want to clear out
2021-01-16 04:27 <Tampa> Though that's a bit of a roundabout way
2021-01-16 04:27 <Tampa> Clearing can be automated with some tools though
2021-01-16 04:31 <Plugh> Tampa: I think that is a lot easier.
2021-01-16 04:32 <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I thouht about that, too, literally.
2021-01-16 04:37 <Tampa> I usually just nuke the assets, db entries and v1 tile references along with the robust maptiles folder and tell all regions to generate map again, takes some time though with a lot of regions
2021-01-16 04:37 <Tampa> Also with regions not in your control might be difficult
2021-01-16 04:41 <Plugh> There needs to be an easier way than having to go in to the DB to wipe out some entries.
2021-01-16 04:57 <Tampa> Well
2021-01-16 04:57 <Tampa> hm
2021-01-16 04:58 <Psi-Jack> Which table is that in?
2021-01-16 04:59 <Tampa> It's all part of asset server system
2021-01-16 04:59 <Tampa> the terrainimage references at least
2021-01-16 04:59 <Tampa> v1 tiles those
2021-01-16 04:59 <Tampa> Rest is in maptiles folder
2021-01-16 05:00 <Psi-Jack> I don't see a single table that looks like it would be related to tiles. :
2021-01-16 05:01 <Tampa> Search in assets
2021-01-16 05:02 <Tampa> %terrainimage%
2021-01-16 05:02 <Psi-Jack> Would that be in fsassets too?
2021-01-16 05:02 <Tampa> For that you probably also want to delete the associated file
2021-01-16 05:03 <Tampa> There is also an option in robust to delete tiles, but I think it doesn't work proper
2021-01-16 05:03 <Tampa> I run non-standard assets so can't really say
2021-01-16 05:04 <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I use fsassets, right now. heh
2021-01-16 13:53 <Psi-Jack> Hmmmmm...
2021-01-16 13:54 <Psi-Jack> So, using a water sim to "erase" maptiles, doesn't work so well, when you're literally in the ocean, because then can't really see the genuine borders of active sims.
2021-01-16 13:54 <Psi-Jack> lol
2021-01-17 15:15 <osjenkins> Starting build #7515 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-01-17 15:34 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7515: FAILURE in 26 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7515/
2021-01-17 15:34 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: do init new acd circuit code + cosmetics
2021-01-18 18:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #7517 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2021-01-18 18:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7517: SUCCESS in 5 min 36 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7517/
2021-01-18 18:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: smartthreadpool: do informcomleted under locks
2021-01-18 18:28 <BillBlight> that made a diff
2021-01-18 18:28 <BillBlight> not sure why
2021-01-18 18:28 <BillBlight> but now idle at 1%
2021-01-18 18:28 <Ubit> ive a idea why :)
2021-01-18 18:29 <Ubit> without the lock i could release below min 
2021-01-18 18:29 <Ubit> and kept adding 
2021-01-18 18:31 <BillBlight> yeah it is now staying idle between .9 and 1.3
2021-01-18 18:32 <Ubit> cool
2021-01-18 18:33 <Ubit> thats heartbeat anf other things always up
2021-01-18 19:24 <osjenkins> Starting build #7518 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-01-18 19:29 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7518: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7518/
2021-01-18 19:29 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: HttpRequestModule: changed from shared module to non shared module with static shared elements; make it use JobEngine, etc
2021-01-18 19:32 <Ubit> well region does use a bit less threads on idle.. now.. does it do things and stuff?
2021-01-18 19:32 <Ubit> :p
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2021-01-19 02:53 <Psi-Jack> heh, I had an interesting physics test this past Saturday. Ship race that spanned around 16~20 512x512 var regions, and as it happened watched the server load and each opensim.exe process specifically since there were several instances running multiple regions.
2021-01-19 02:54 <Psi-Jack> The region we started from was actually the worst of it. An odd sized region though too, 768x768. Right from the start, only 4 boats, it was jerky movement. Once we got out though, it was smooth sailin.
2021-01-19 03:24 <BillBlight> Sounds good, but as far as physics load, larger var regions but fewer numbers would most likely increase physics performance ...   (physics is physics, region size really does not seem to have an impact, just the amount of physics objects)
2021-01-19 04:28 <Tampa> Technically you lose precision the larger the region gets
2021-01-19 04:28 <Tampa> Though hard to notice unless you make it really big and check database positions
2021-01-19 04:29 <BillBlight> yes you loose precision but unless you are flying humming birds and trying to land on each other, I doubt you would notice in practical use ..
2021-01-19 04:32 <Tampa> On .0001 precision you can "see" it when you go past 1024 region size
2021-01-19 04:32 <Tampa> Like complaining about hair thickness
2021-01-19 04:33 <Tampa> Lot of the math also uses absolutes so should all be fine unless you trying to play around microscopes or something
2021-01-19 04:35 <Tampa> When it comes to physics you used to never get standstill, think old old ode did that, is fixed now though
2021-01-19 04:35 <Tampa> "Pushing atoms" I remember that lol
2021-01-19 04:39 <BillBlight> The drift on mega regions old vars was horrible
2021-01-19 04:41 <Tampa> Oh mega regions alone were fun stuff
2021-01-19 19:00 <Ubit> meow meowww meow
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2021-01-21 15:45 <Tampa> Maybe that's just me but isn't av_movement_divisor_walk = 2.1 far more realistic given the walking animation speed?
2021-01-21 15:46 <Tampa> 1.3 is default and feels more like reverse MJ moonwalk or something sliding all over the place
2021-01-22 15:41 <thoys> heya, are var-regions used in any stable grids? Was thinking of setting one up, but I heard rumours that it was deprecated?
2021-01-22 15:56 <piusnoel> thoys: you probably mean Mega regions, that's not the same. I never heard that var regions will be deprecated. When I was on Metropolis we had a lot of var regions. Just don't make them too big. In my opinion 2x2 or 3x3 var regions play nice. For various reasons I would never go above 1024 x 1024 m.
2021-01-22 15:58 <thoys> awesome, yeah I just need 2x2
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2021-01-24 04:53 <osmantis> Bug #8695:04 Animation states randomly get stuck until relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8695 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-24 10:19 <Tampa> someone reboot the webserver
2021-01-24 10:19 <Tampa> is broken again
2021-01-24 10:19 <Tampa> seriously install fail2ban or something cant be that it goes down like this
2021-01-25 14:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #7519 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-01-25 14:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7519: SUCCESS in 5 min 45 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7519/
2021-01-25 14:15 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8854: fix the typos and rearrange code a bit. AGAIN PassTouches (and PassCollisions) are as old SL, not current
2021-01-25 14:15 <osmantis> Bug #8854:04 touch_end not passed through to root prim from child prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8854 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-25 14:39 <osmantis> Bug #8854:04 touch_end not passed through to root prim from child prims 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8854 ): has been RESOLVED.
2021-01-25 18:54 <diva> Ubit 0.9.1.1 is holding up like a champ, it's really amazing! I have weekly lectures with 100 students inworld, homework due last night, thousands of scripts everywhere, and things are running smoothly! high-five!
2021-01-25 18:54 <Ubit> cool :)
2021-01-25 18:54 <Ubit> no idea how 0.9.2 will hold..
2021-01-25 18:55 <Ubit> but, ofc 0.9.1.1. is better than 0.8.x :P
2021-01-27 10:07 <Tampa> someone forgot to renew their cert
2021-01-27 21:18 <osmantis> Bug #8855:04 Cast Excaption at osGetNumberOfAttachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8855 ): Der folgende Eintrag wurde erfasst.
2021-01-28 19:52 <osmantis> Bug #8856:04 Userprofiles does not sanitize classified input 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8856 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-01-28 23:54 <osmantis> Bug #8857:04 [Sun] features in OpenSim.ini don't seem to do anything 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8857 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-01-28 23:57 <osmantis> Bug #8857:04 [Sun] features in OpenSim.ini don't seem to do anything 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8857 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-29 14:45 <Tampa> int[] does not contain a definition for 'Contains', you guys are C# wizards, is that just Linq namespace missing or what's going on?
2021-01-29 14:45 <Tampa> According to MS it is supposed to be in there
2021-01-29 15:11 <Tampa> Seems Linq was indeed missing, well grrr Ubit not gonna like that
2021-01-29 15:12 <Tampa> 
ACTION hides

2021-01-29 15:44 <Bill_Blight> http://opensimulator.org/viewgit/?a=commit&p=opensim&h=15d600c08a4d9a18a8fbbbc950f076219ce827ba
2021-01-29 22:32 <osmantis> Bug #8856:04 Userprofiles does not sanitize classified input 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8856 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2021-01-29 23:20 <Ubit> that is sane??
2021-01-29 23:20 <Ubit> gezzz
2021-01-29 23:25 <Plugh> No, it isn't. For one, Tampa doesn't seem to know how to work in binary.
2021-01-29 23:26 <Ubit> yeah
2021-01-29 23:26 <Ubit> but worse is meaning of all that
2021-01-29 23:26 <Plugh> The case statement can be replaced by a single if using an & test.
2021-01-29 23:26 <Tampa> I tried it via the bits, but it did not work properly and I know how binary works
2021-01-29 23:27 <Ubit> yes i told him about that, bc he had a int array and compares
2021-01-29 23:27 <Ubit> but in this case valid is not just that
2021-01-29 23:27 <Tampa> I spent ten hours on this testing back and forth, going as far as reading up on binary again to see if there was a clever way I could test for the flags, but in the end nothing wanted to work reliably
2021-01-29 23:27 <Ubit> and wrong file to fix viewers msgs
2021-01-29 23:27 <Ubit> that is on regions not there
2021-01-29 23:28 <Ubit> but well. can be there also i guess
2021-01-29 23:28 <Tampa> This is just to patch grid mode right now
2021-01-29 23:28 <Ubit> well but my issue is meaning of those bit fields
2021-01-29 23:29 <Tampa> Well bit 2 3 and 4 set maturity, bit 5 the auto renewal
2021-01-29 23:29 <Tampa> Not sure why bit 1 is unused who knows
2021-01-29 23:29 <Plugh> Tampa: OR all the numbers together and you will have a single number you can use to test with -> if (flags_to_be_tested & all_flags_ored_together)
2021-01-29 23:30 <Ubit> fun viewer defines a set of search masks, and another for the flags
2021-01-29 23:30 <Tampa> Viewer sends nothing for PG no auto, then for PG auto sends 32
2021-01-29 23:30 <Tampa> When you search for PG it sends 4
2021-01-29 23:30 <Ubit> actually that case is not like the or plugh
2021-01-29 23:31 <Ubit> it can accept only some combinations
2021-01-29 23:31 <Tampa> It is only 6 valid ones, any other number and the viewer says it is malformed
2021-01-29 23:32 <Plugh> The patch in that code was supposed to be sanitizing the bits. Not sure that is really needed.
2021-01-29 23:32 <Plugh> There are only 4 bits to be checked.
2021-01-29 23:32 <Ubit> tampa is checking combinations also
2021-01-29 23:32 <Ubit> ( not telling it is right )
2021-01-29 23:33 <Tampa> Elegant it is not, never said it was
2021-01-29 23:33 <Tampa> But it works reliably which all the bit operations and checks I tried ended up doing weird stuff and meant just as much code
2021-01-29 23:34 <Tampa> With viewer sending ints or at least what looks like ints and the db showing them as int as well to me it makes sense to keep that common so it is easy to understand what's what
2021-01-29 23:34 <Tampa> Else might as well save it as 01001 in the db lol
2021-01-29 23:34 <Plugh> Ubit, right. As far as I've seen from testing posting ads, an ad can only be in one maturity level at a time. Only one maturity bit should be set. It doesn't really harm anything if several are set at once. 
2021-01-29 23:35 <Plugh> If more than one maturity bit was set at the same time that might result from a viewer bug. 
2021-01-29 23:35 <Ubit> well that mks sense :)
2021-01-29 23:35 <Tampa> oddly you can search adult classifieds, but not create them, well in Firestorm at least
2021-01-29 23:35 <Ubit> btw .. what are classifieds?
2021-01-29 23:35 <Ubit> lol
2021-01-29 23:35 <Plugh> ubit, :)
2021-01-29 23:36 <Tampa> I think they are like posters for places and things
2021-01-29 23:36 <Plugh> I haven't looked that closely at the code as I'm in the middle of disassembling some 68000 code.
2021-01-29 23:36 <Ubit> never looked
2021-01-29 23:36 <Tampa> The viewer is a mess when it comes to search
2021-01-29 23:36 <Tampa> Like it shows a supposed "parcel link"
2021-01-29 23:36 <Tampa> which starts with hop
2021-01-29 23:36 <Tampa> has some weird uuid of the parcel in it
2021-01-29 23:37 <Tampa> No idea what it is meant to do, but it most certainly won't tp you
2021-01-29 23:37 <Ubit> ClassifiedFlags pack_classified_flags(BOOL auto_renew, BOOL inc_pg, BOOL inc_mature, BOOL inc_adult)
2021-01-29 23:37 <Ubit> {
2021-01-29 23:37 <Ubit> 	U8 rv = 0;
2021-01-29 23:37 <Ubit> 	if(inc_pg) rv |= CLASSIFIED_QUERY_INC_PG;
2021-01-29 23:37 <Ubit> 	if(inc_mature)
2021-01-29 23:37 <Ubit>     {
2021-01-29 23:37 <Ubit>         rv |= CLASSIFIED_QUERY_INC_MATURE;
2021-01-29 23:37 <Ubit>         rv |= CLASSIFIED_FLAG_MATURE;
2021-01-29 23:37 <Ubit>     }
2021-01-29 23:37 <Ubit> 	if(inc_adult) rv |= CLASSIFIED_QUERY_INC_ADULT;
2021-01-29 23:37 <Ubit> 	if(auto_renew) rv |= CLASSIFIED_FLAG_AUTO_RENEW;
2021-01-29 23:37 <Ubit> 	return rv;
2021-01-29 23:37 <Plugh> It probably isn't a UUID. It is probably a handle.
2021-01-29 23:37 <Ubit> }
2021-01-29 23:37 <Ubit> this is fs code.. guess cooking the flag
2021-01-29 23:37 <Tampa> rv 0 huh
2021-01-29 23:38 <Tampa> That's why it sends that
2021-01-29 23:38 <Ubit> that is initialization duhh
2021-01-29 23:38 <Plugh> FS is forcing the PG flag? Nice. Still need to set it when handling updating of ads in case the ad data comes from a viewer that doesn't set the PG flag.
2021-01-29 23:38 <osmantis> Bug #8695:04 Animation states randomly get stuck until relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8695 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-29 23:38 <Ubit> it is not forcing gess
2021-01-29 23:39 <Ubit> see the ifs
2021-01-29 23:39 <Ubit> that is converting bools to bit masks
2021-01-29 23:39 <Tampa> It is in the end a viewer bug, but I guess it is good practice to never assume viewers don't have bugs and just parse whatever is sent to us
2021-01-29 23:39 <Plugh> bbl. Dinner time.
2021-01-29 23:40 <Ubit> well don't see that called uff
2021-01-29 23:42 <Ubit> return pack_classified_flags_request(auto_renew, false, mature, false);
2021-01-29 23:42 <Ubit> it does the oposite.. no pg
2021-01-29 23:42 <Tampa> All I know is when I set PG no auto it does not even send a Flags parameter
2021-01-29 23:42 <Ubit> hmm and no adult either
2021-01-29 23:43 <Tampa> Yet you can search for that
2021-01-29 23:43 <Tampa> Makes no sense
2021-01-29 23:43 <Ubit> it only supports mature
2021-01-29 23:43 <Tampa> Isn't that old SL style?
2021-01-29 23:44 <Tampa> Didn't they only have two levels
2021-01-29 23:44 <Tampa> PG and mature, now is General Content mature and adult
2021-01-29 23:44 <Ubit> well only see that... with pg and adult always false
2021-01-29 23:45 <Tampa> hop://login.zetaworlds.com/app/parcel/00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000/about what even...
2021-01-29 23:45 <Tampa> It shows that for classified results
2021-01-29 23:46 <Tampa> I need to poke FS this is comically wrong
2021-01-29 23:46 <Tampa> ... no wonder everyone told me I need to look at search hah
2021-01-29 23:46 <Tampa> didn't think it was this bad, but here we are
2021-01-29 23:48 <AliciaRaven> with latest firestorm on osgrid, i connect search for places and get a list, but selecting one gives no info, cant teleport to any
2021-01-29 23:49 <AliciaRaven> that whole area is messed up, osgrid uses php for search right? i think its broken
2021-01-29 23:49 <Ubit> no idea what osg now uses
2021-01-29 23:50 <Tampa> Well I got everything but land sales and events working now
2021-01-29 23:50 <Ubit> this all classifieds thing is so so SL
2021-01-29 23:50 <Tampa> places depends on two tables actually
2021-01-29 23:50 <Tampa> land sales currently doesn't work cause it is not handled correctly, not written to central table
2021-01-29 23:51 <AliciaRaven> i get the list of search results, but i click one, no details and no way to teleport
2021-01-29 23:51 <Ubit> fs seems to only allow matured and pg
2021-01-29 23:51 <Ubit> mature
2021-01-29 23:51 <Tampa> Which I think leftover from old SL maturity levels which were only that
2021-01-29 23:51 <Ubit> actuallt Moderated and pg
2021-01-29 23:51 <Tampa> Yes
2021-01-29 23:51 <Tampa> Then later came adult
2021-01-29 23:51 <AliciaRaven> i was looking for a sand box, in the end i hand to look to popular places to find sandbox plaza and teleport there
2021-01-29 23:51 <Ubit> possible they removed adult ?
2021-01-29 23:52 <AliciaRaven> gnight
2021-01-29 23:52 <Ubit> gn
2021-01-29 23:52 <Tampa> I mean I would want to only allow adult setting if the userflag in useraccount reflects the 18+ setting, but that's quite a bit to ask
2021-01-29 23:52 <Ubit> auto renew bet does not work :)
2021-01-29 23:52 <Ubit> i have adult on
2021-01-29 23:53 <Tampa> Like you can only search for adult if you are adult
2021-01-29 23:53 <Tampa> but meh
2021-01-29 23:53 <Ubit> static const S32 CB_ITEM_MATURE = 0;
2021-01-29 23:53 <Ubit> static const S32 CB_ITEM_PG	   = 1;
2021-01-29 23:53 <Ubit> no adult there
2021-01-29 23:53 <Tampa> places depends on two tables to determine popular places and their traffic actually
2021-01-29 23:54 <Tampa> The ossearch webroot looks for specific place that table is located, I had it on different database so failed to find
2021-01-29 23:54 <Tampa> land sales has a table structure too, but OpenSim doesn't enter stuff into it, guess economy module would though
2021-01-29 23:55 <Tampa> Wrote mail to colosi to ask for what to do also because I think classified payment is not implemented yet
2021-01-29 23:55 <Tampa> Might be wrong, haven't checked gloebit code in a long time
2021-01-29 23:55 <Ubit> does sl even have classifieds?
2021-01-29 23:55 <Tampa> er... no idea
2021-01-29 23:56 <Tampa> Events has no viewer handling so needs web stuff anyways
2021-01-29 23:56 <Tampa> So really close to getting it all working
2021-01-29 23:57 <Ubit> on sl viewer profiles and places are all web
2021-01-29 23:57 <Ubit> wel classifieds are there
2021-01-29 23:57 <Ubit> and adult ones :)
2021-01-29 23:57 <Tampa> Yeah but we can't do web profiles or php profiles as some do cause that fails HG
2021-01-29 23:58 <Ubit> yeah sl viewer also does not let set adult
2021-01-29 23:58 <Tampa> I would not mind allowing it on OpenSim so long as it is tied to useraccounts.userflags
2021-01-29 23:58 <Tampa> aka can set if age verified
2021-01-29 23:59 <Ubit> i used to be age verified
2021-01-29 23:59 <Ubit> but no.. looking to fs code, just No option
2021-01-30 00:00 <Ubit> ok what was the sanetize need?
2021-01-30 00:00 <Ubit> only pg, mature and adult?
2021-01-30 00:00 <Tampa> and auto renew for each, 6 options
2021-01-30 00:01 <Ubit> for each??
2021-01-30 00:01 <Tampa> No 6 in total
2021-01-30 00:01 <Ubit> that can be 0
2021-01-30 00:01 <Tampa> valid flags are 4 8 36 40 64 96
2021-01-30 00:01 <Ubit> NO
2021-01-30 00:01 <Ubit> 36 is not a flag
2021-01-30 00:02 <Tampa> well as ints
2021-01-30 00:02 <Ubit> thats combination of flags.. not flags
2021-01-30 00:02 <Ubit> and not right
2021-01-30 00:02 <Tampa> But you can only have those 6
2021-01-30 00:02 <Tampa> PG, PG auto, mature, mature auto, adult, adult auto
2021-01-30 00:03 <Ubit> no
2021-01-30 00:04 <Ubit> /const U8 CLASSIFIED_FLAG_HAS_PRICE= 1 << 3; // deprecated
2021-01-30 00:05 <djphil> @ Tampa : https://github.com/djphil/oshelpful/blob/master/HELPFUL.md#classifieds-flags-classifiedsflags
2021-01-30 00:06 <Ubit> there is also a updatetime
2021-01-30 00:06 <Tampa> djphil those are only half
2021-01-30 00:06 <Ubit> its 5 flags
2021-01-30 00:07 <djphil> ok, where i can get full ? :)
2021-01-30 00:07 <Tampa> I just wrote that, read above
2021-01-30 00:07 <Ubit> fs source :p
2021-01-30 00:07 <Tampa> wait a minute
2021-01-30 00:07 <Ubit> 	U8 rv = 0;
2021-01-30 00:07 <Ubit> 	if(inc_pg) rv |= CLASSIFIED_QUERY_INC_PG;
2021-01-30 00:07 <Ubit> 	if(inc_mature)
2021-01-30 00:07 <Ubit>     {
2021-01-30 00:07 <Ubit>         rv |= CLASSIFIED_QUERY_INC_MATURE;
2021-01-30 00:07 <Ubit>         rv |= CLASSIFIED_FLAG_MATURE;
2021-01-30 00:07 <Ubit>     }
2021-01-30 00:07 <Ubit> 	if(inc_adult) rv |= CLASSIFIED_QUERY_INC_ADULT;
2021-01-30 00:08 <Ubit> 	if(auto_renew) rv |= CLASSIFIED_FLAG_AUTO_RENEW;
2021-01-30 00:08 <Ubit> 	return rv;
2021-01-30 00:08 <Ubit> this is so wrong
2021-01-30 00:08 <Tampa> why is bit 2 = int 4?
2021-01-30 00:08 <Ubit> bahh
2021-01-30 00:08 <Ubit> oops its is not..  yeach
2021-01-30 00:08 <Ubit> that is a search
2021-01-30 00:08 <Ubit> bc it is tampa :p
2021-01-30 00:08 <Tampa> So bit 1 is int 2
2021-01-30 00:09 <Ubit> of course
2021-01-30 00:09 <Ubit> and 0 is 1
2021-01-30 00:09 <Tampa> ah ok yes right I still keep counting that wrong
2021-01-30 00:09 <Tampa> Keep making that mistake since school
2021-01-30 00:09 <Ubit> value = 2 ^ (bit index)
2021-01-30 00:10 <Ubit> yeah index starts at zero
2021-01-30 00:10 <Tampa> So bits 2 3 and 4 are maturity levels, bit 5 is auto renew
2021-01-30 00:10 <Tampa> Or something like that
2021-01-30 00:11 <Tampa> Think bit 4 might actually be auto renew and bit 5 adult since 64 is adult no auto renew
2021-01-30 00:11 <Ubit> mature has 2 flags
2021-01-30 00:11 <djphil> All of this should be clearly explained on the wiki (I think ...).
2021-01-30 00:11 <Ubit>  1 and 3
2021-01-30 00:11 <Ubit> bahh who cares abotu this things :p
2021-01-30 00:12 <Ubit> this is sl making $
2021-01-30 00:12 <Ubit> Bit 5: 32 = TaxFree (1 << 5): No object, land, etc. taxes
2021-01-30 00:12 <Ubit> outdated
2021-01-30 00:12 <Tampa> 0 1 2 3  4  5  6
2021-01-30 00:12 <Tampa> 1 2 4 8 16 32 64
2021-01-30 00:13 <Ubit> cool  you learned how to count :p
2021-01-30 00:13 <Tampa> So bit 3 is mature, bit 2 PG, bit 5 is auto renew and bit 6 is adult
2021-01-30 00:13 <Tampa> Rest is unused I guess or used for other stuff the viewer doesn't care for anymore
2021-01-30 00:14 <Ubit> mature is bit 1 and 3
2021-01-30 00:14 <Ubit> no idea why
2021-01-30 00:14 <Tampa> mature is int 8 or with auto renew int 40
2021-01-30 00:14 <Tampa> That's what the viewer sends
2021-01-30 00:14 <Ubit> no
2021-01-30 00:14 <Tampa> Yes
2021-01-30 00:15 <Ubit> 40 is several bits
2021-01-30 00:15 <Ubit> 5 + 3
2021-01-30 00:15 <Tampa> {"jsonrpc":"2.0","id":"e2061703-d71b-4632-8b98-97d2f1a8bf5c","method":"classified_update","params":{"ClassifiedId":"e653e191-166e-ea57-c44f-b543021a6a96","CreatorId":"0635df95-f149-6630-5fb4-aca4482e8e75","Category":4,"Name":"Zetaworlds Event Stage","Description":"Just testing ","ParcelId":"e3d383ef-6a82-4204-ab8b-4611d4744b94","SnapshotId":"c7773990-b314-48bc-95d6-334fd7b9461e","SimName":"Welcome","GlobalPos":"<1792128, 1792039, 27.35818>","ParcelN
2021-01-30 00:15 <Tampa> ame":"Zetaworlds Event Stage","Flags":8}}
2021-01-30 00:15 <Tampa> mature no auto
2021-01-30 00:16 <djphil> Ubit : The people who care about these things are partly the people who make web interfaces for opensim and who want to respect the standards of opensim and that everything works well ;)
2021-01-30 00:16 <Ubit> well opensim does not care abotu this flags
2021-01-30 00:17 <Tampa> At the moment is parses whatever it gets
2021-01-30 00:17 <Ubit> well like on most things
2021-01-30 00:17 <Tampa> Which results in an issue since the search expects bit 2 to be used for PG, but the viewer itself does not set it properly
2021-01-30 00:17 <Tampa> Resulting in failing searches
2021-01-30 00:18 <Tampa> I initially fixed that by assuming 0 and 32 as int values for PG and PG auto, but that's wrong that's not what the viewer asks for
2021-01-30 00:18 <Tampa> Yet it also doesn't set that
2021-01-30 00:18 <Tampa> Must have been two devs working on each not talking to each other
2021-01-30 00:19 <Tampa> So the patch I wrote adjusts the flags and makes sure only valid combinations are passed to database
2021-01-30 00:19 <Tampa> Not in an elegant way, but hey it works
2021-01-30 00:20 <Tampa> After ten hours on this that's what I care about, I tried for so long to do this via the bits in that, but somehow C# refuses to work with me, I suspect somewhere it forces int on it in a way that makes the bit operations fail or resolve to int still
2021-01-30 00:21 <Tampa> I tried setting bit 2, what did I get? int 2
2021-01-30 00:21 <Plugh> Auto renew is just a flag. The actual renewal process needs to be handled by some external method. I handled it in a grid I used to manage.
2021-01-30 00:22 <Tampa> In the end the patch uses the same values you see coming from the viewer and are present in database, so it is all the same, easy to understand and correlate for anyone that ever ends up looking at it again
2021-01-30 00:22 <Plugh> Tampa: The add-on ossearch module is meant to be used with the add-on osprofile module. It has never been tested against core profiles.
2021-01-30 00:22 <Tampa> The osprofiles however does not work well with HG
2021-01-30 00:23 <Plugh> Ubit, yes, SL has classifieds.
2021-01-30 00:23 <Tampa> Handling renewal and other parts of search are still up there, I hope as way to increase commerce Gloebit might step in to handle this stuff properly in future, then again in terms of classifieds this would mean Gloebit as robust module too so who knows
2021-01-30 00:24 <Tampa> At the moment my main aim is just to get search working completely, because being able to find things is the first step in making a sale or getting folks to the things they need
2021-01-30 00:27 <Ubit> can you test this tampa?
2021-01-30 00:27 <Plugh> djphil: Nice list. You can add 1<< 5 as the mature flag for Classifieds.
2021-01-30 00:28 <Ubit> 1 <<5 ?
2021-01-30 00:28 <osjenkins> Starting build #7520 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-01-30 00:28 <Ubit> that is not mature
2021-01-30 00:29 <Ubit> mature is 1 << 1   and 1 << 3
2021-01-30 00:29 <Tampa> Isn't that for the reply sent when information about a classified is requested
2021-01-30 00:29 <Plugh> oops. 6. 5 is the renew. I was going from memory.
2021-01-30 00:29 <Ubit> yeap
2021-01-30 00:29 <Ubit> it is
2021-01-30 00:29 <Ubit> can you test it?
2021-01-30 00:29 <Tampa> I can, but I already know what it will do
2021-01-30 00:29 <Plugh> I made a small patch to the handling of classifieds for core profiles that would set the PG bit if Mature and/or Adult were not set.
2021-01-30 00:30 <Ubit> ( if no mature set, tell it is pg )
2021-01-30 00:30 <Ubit> this is that also plugh lol
2021-01-30 00:30 <Ubit> well if tampa didn't made me forget about hexa :p
2021-01-30 00:31 <Plugh> Ubit, that only sets it when getting a listing. It doesn't fix the setting it in the database.
2021-01-30 00:31 <Tampa> The problem with this is that again the PG classifieds don't show in search results
2021-01-30 00:31 <Ubit> it is there broken already
2021-01-30 00:31 <Tampa> See the issue is you set a PG classified and cannot search for it
2021-01-30 00:31 <Tampa> It's hidden
2021-01-30 00:32 <Tampa> Because wrong flags set by viewer
2021-01-30 00:32 <Ubit> can you test it?
2021-01-30 00:32 <Tampa> Binary is building already
2021-01-30 00:32 <Ubit> ty
2021-01-30 00:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7520: SUCCESS in 5 min 40 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7520/
2021-01-30 00:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8856: test a simpler fix
2021-01-30 00:34 <Tampa> This would only fix looking at your own classifieds I suppose, but that's some level of local caching there so... 
2021-01-30 00:34 <Tampa> actually need to build without my patch then grr gimme a minute
2021-01-30 00:36 <Tampa> poor jenkins got a workout today, 40 builds total on this silly thing
2021-01-30 00:36 <Plugh> My updated patch -> https://pastebin.com/GWAfYPDN
2021-01-30 00:39 <Tampa> This might result in pg auto renew being int 4 still, why I don't know it seems to just ignore bitwise on these maybe because it is osdmap perhaps, no idea 
2021-01-30 00:39 <djphil> @ Plugh :  (1 << 5) is 32 right ?
2021-01-30 00:39 <Plugh> Yes. I meant 1<<6 for Adult.
2021-01-30 00:40 <djphil> Ho 6 okay
2021-01-30 00:40 <djphil> i read 5 above
2021-01-30 00:40 <djphil> 1 << 6 is 64, right ?
2021-01-30 00:40 <Plugh> djphil: I know. I had the renew flag stuck in my head which is bit 5. I saved a copy of that list. IT is a nice summary of information.
2021-01-30 00:40 <Tampa> 0  1  2  3   4   5    6
2021-01-30 00:41 <Tampa> 1  2  4  8  16  32   64
2021-01-30 00:41 <Tampa>      PG  M     renew  A
2021-01-30 00:41 <djphil> On my current list i have this:
2021-01-30 00:41 <djphil> 4 = PG content
2021-01-30 00:41 <djphil> 8 = Mature content
2021-01-30 00:41 <djphil> 32 = Publish each week
2021-01-30 00:41 <djphil> where you can see Mature is 8
2021-01-30 00:42 <djphil> and you say mature is 64 (1 <q 6)
2021-01-30 00:42 <Ubit> there is a old mature  == 1
2021-01-30 00:42 <djphil> is obsolet ?
2021-01-30 00:42 <Ubit> no that is adult
2021-01-30 00:42 <djphil> ha adult, okay okay, thank's :p
2021-01-30 00:43 <Ubit> ( that fs does not have guess neither sl now )
2021-01-30 00:43 <Tampa> who wouldn't want to advertise their dungeon lol
2021-01-30 00:43 <Plugh> I've never seen a viewer that let you set Adult maturity for a classified.
2021-01-30 00:44 <Ubit> oops
2021-01-30 00:44 <djphil> Is this good now?
2021-01-30 00:44 <djphil> 4 = PG content
2021-01-30 00:44 <djphil> 8 = Adult content
2021-01-30 00:44 <djphil> 32 = Publish each week
2021-01-30 00:44 <djphil> 64 = Mature content
2021-01-30 00:44 <Tampa> how the wut
2021-01-30 00:44 <Plugh> djphil: Yes. You can add in the (1 << bit_no) if you like.
2021-01-30 00:44 <Plugh> 2, 3, 5, and 6.
2021-01-30 00:45 <djphil> Ok Plug I will add that too
2021-01-30 00:45 <Tampa> 8 is mature not adult
2021-01-30 00:46 <Tampa> old SL flags as they only had two
2021-01-30 00:46 <Tampa> pg and moderate
2021-01-30 00:47 <Ubit> coff coff coff
2021-01-30 00:47 <Ubit> :)
2021-01-30 00:47 <Plugh> Ubit, If my patch looks gook I will commit it. It will set the PG flag for an ad listing in the DB. That will let external (web based) systems work properly that want to do things with the ads.
2021-01-30 00:47 <osjenkins> Starting build #7521 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-01-30 00:47 <djphil> Well Tampa, Plug say me 8 is Adult ... and 64 is Mature
2021-01-30 00:48 <djphil> Find an agreement :p
2021-01-30 00:48 <Ubit> tampa i had the mask wrong :p
2021-01-30 00:48 <Tampa> I feel like I spent ten hours on this for nothing
2021-01-30 00:49 <Ubit> gezz still on that dj?
2021-01-30 00:49 <Ubit> 64 is adult, new mature is 8 old mature is 2
2021-01-30 00:50 <Plugh> Ubit, did you mean 4c? What is bit 1?
2021-01-30 00:50 <Ubit> 64 is adult, new mature is 8 old mature is 2 <---
2021-01-30 00:50 <Plugh> djphil: I didn't say 8 is adult.
2021-01-30 00:51 <Ubit> ( 2 mature bits )
2021-01-30 00:51 <djphil> iiiiiiiiiiiii
2021-01-30 00:51 <djphil> This is correct then now?
2021-01-30 00:51 <djphil> Bit 2: 4 (1 << 2) = PG content
2021-01-30 00:51 <djphil> Bit 3: 8 (1 << 3) = Mature content
2021-01-30 00:51 <djphil> Bit 5: 32 (1 << 5) = Publish each week
2021-01-30 00:51 <djphil> Bit 6: 64 (1 << 6) = Adult content
2021-01-30 00:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7521: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7521/
2021-01-30 00:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: oops, fix the bit mask
2021-01-30 00:52 <Tampa> BIT 0  1  2  3   4    5    6
2021-01-30 00:52 <Tampa> INT 1  2  4  8  16   32   64
2021-01-30 00:52 <Tampa>          PG  Ma    renew   Ad
2021-01-30 00:52 <Tampa> What an odd field
2021-01-30 00:52 <Plugh> The other bits may have been used at one time but aren't any more.
2021-01-30 00:52 <Ubit> legacy
2021-01-30 00:53 <Ubit> update_time seems still on viewers
2021-01-30 00:53 <Plugh> update_time?
2021-01-30 00:53 <Tampa> But not in UI I think
2021-01-30 00:53 <djphil> Tampa, for what is 0, 1 and 4 ?
2021-01-30 00:54 <Ubit> GRRRR
2021-01-30 00:54 <Tampa> unused deprecated legacy
2021-01-30 00:54 <Ubit> i told a few already
2021-01-30 00:54 <Tampa> lol
2021-01-30 00:54 <Tampa> Calm
2021-01-30 00:54 <Ubit> 1 is old viewers MATURE gezz
2021-01-30 00:55 <djphil> ok i will try again ^^
2021-01-30 00:55 <Plugh> Must be really old. Never seen it set when I did my testing but that may also be because you can't make an Adult listing from the viewer.
2021-01-30 00:56 <Ubit> bit zero seems wasted
2021-01-30 00:57 <Ubit> seems the linden who set those was like tampa on bin
2021-01-30 00:57 <Ubit> 
ACTION runs and hides 

2021-01-30 00:58 <Plugh> djphil: picking nits here -> the entry for value 2 under Land Flags is not lined up with the rest of the entries.
2021-01-30 00:58 <djphil> Is better now ?
2021-01-30 00:58 <djphil> Bit 0: 1 (1 << 0) = Unused Deprecated Legacy
2021-01-30 00:58 <djphil> Bit 1: 2 (1 << 1) = Unused Deprecated Legacy
2021-01-30 00:58 <djphil> Bit 2: 4 (1 << 2) = PG content
2021-01-30 00:58 <djphil> Bit 3: 8 (1 << 3) = Mature content
2021-01-30 00:58 <djphil> Bit 4: 16 (1 << 4) = Unused Deprecated Legacy
2021-01-30 00:58 <djphil> Bit 5: 32 (1 << 5) = Publish each week
2021-01-30 00:58 <djphil> Bit 6: 64 (1 << 6) = Adult content
2021-01-30 00:58 <Ubit> tested my test tampa?
2021-01-30 00:59 <Tampa> Give my jenkins a break it tries its best to apologize for opensim code ;P
2021-01-30 00:59 <Tampa> last few tests then I can reboot sim
2021-01-30 01:00 <Plugh> Hm... I thought there was a bit somewhere in the DBs for land to be sold at auction.
2021-01-30 01:05 <Tampa> It fixes that small issue that in the overview the classified is shown as mature even if it is set to flag 2 or 32, but the flags in db are still wrong and now search can't find them
2021-01-30 01:06 <Ubit> we can't fix old things on db
2021-01-30 01:08 <Plugh> Tampa: How did you wind up with a list that has both the Mature and PG bit set at the same time?
2021-01-30 01:08 <Plugh> s/list/listing/
2021-01-30 01:09 <Tampa> ?????
2021-01-30 01:10 <Plugh> You said -> in the overview the classified is shown as mature even if it is set to flag 2 or 32, but the flags in db are still wrong and now search can't find them
2021-01-30 01:10 <Plugh> Only one maturity bit should be set.
2021-01-30 01:11 <Ubit> no
2021-01-30 01:11 <Ubit> 2 are set
2021-01-30 01:11 <Plugh> Which 2?
2021-01-30 01:11 <Ubit> in case of "moderate"
2021-01-30 01:11 <Ubit> the old and the new
2021-01-30 01:11 <Plugh> moderate? When has SL ever had a "moderate" maturity level.
2021-01-30 01:11 <Tampa> way back
2021-01-30 01:11 <Tampa> PG and moderate
2021-01-30 01:12 <Ubit> it is its name
2021-01-30 01:12 <Tampa> Now General Content, mature, adult
2021-01-30 01:12 <Tampa> I feel like crying right now
2021-01-30 01:12 <Plugh> What bit combination is used for "moderate"?
2021-01-30 01:12 <Plugh> PG and Mature together?
2021-01-30 01:12 <Ubit> on classif. it is moderated :p
2021-01-30 01:13 <Ubit> moderate content
2021-01-30 01:13 <Ubit> but that is just a name.. same thing
2021-01-30 01:16 <djphil> I hope now is correct, pfiouuuu
2021-01-30 01:16 <djphil> https://github.com/djphil/oshelpful/blob/master/HELPFUL.md#classifieds-flags-classifiedsflags
2021-01-30 01:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #7522 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-01-30 01:17 <Ubit> well im adding to clientview  bc this is a (sl)viewer issue, and in theory that file should handle that
2021-01-30 01:17 <Ubit> no rest of framework
2021-01-30 01:17 <Ubit> but well bad theory :p
2021-01-30 01:20 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7522: SUCCESS in 4 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7522/
2021-01-30 01:20 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mk sure at least one maturity is set on classified update sent by viewer
2021-01-30 01:21 <Plugh> Why do I even bother making patches any more? 
2021-01-30 01:22 <Ubit> hmm?
2021-01-30 01:22 <Ubit> what patch?
2021-01-30 01:23 <Plugh> The one I made and posted a link to that sets the PG bit if it wasn't set when a classified ad update request has been received.
2021-01-30 01:24 <Plugh> I was putting in a fix in the code that handled the update request rather than in the code that is closer to the message handler.
2021-01-30 01:25 <Ubit> err im confused.. 
2021-01-30 01:25 <Ubit>  if ((request["Flags"] & 72) == 0)  this was yrs or tampa's ? :)
2021-01-30 01:26 <Tampa> He wrote using the bits
2021-01-30 01:26 <Tampa> I tried that
2021-01-30 01:26 <Tampa> compiled 30 binaries
2021-01-30 01:26 <Tampa> failed
2021-01-30 01:26 <Tampa> It always kept treating it as ints
2021-01-30 01:26 <Ubit> well it can be added there also
2021-01-30 01:27 <Tampa> So I gave in and went that route and made it all ints
2021-01-30 01:27 <Tampa> Then it worked
2021-01-30 01:27 <Ubit> osd has no byte :p
2021-01-30 01:28 <Ubit> well tested my 2 changes?
2021-01-30 01:28 <Ubit> for old and new class
2021-01-30 01:28 <Tampa> Only the first, jenkins is rebooting, it ran out of memory
2021-01-30 01:29 <Tampa> You are fixing the front end so it shows correct values to user, but that doesn't solve the underlying issue
2021-01-30 01:29 <Tampa> Because the issue is at robust level
2021-01-30 01:29 <Plugh> Ubit, mine. I could have used the pair of (1 << x) instead of the number. My patch also explained why the forced bit set was needed.
2021-01-30 01:29 <Ubit> and where is that patch?
2021-01-30 01:30 <Plugh> scroll up
2021-01-30 01:31 <Ubit> don't see the commit
2021-01-30 01:32 <Plugh> Read what I said. I said I provided a "patch", not a "commit".
2021-01-30 01:32 <Ubit> ok and where is the patch? gezz
2021-01-30 01:33 <Plugh> You already commented on it. sheesh -> https://pastebin.com/GWAfYPDN
2021-01-30 01:33 <Ubit> ahh tampa told me it was his gezz
2021-01-30 01:33 <Tampa> I never said that
2021-01-30 01:34 <Ubit> ok
2021-01-30 01:34 <Ubit> just 72 does not have all the bits
2021-01-30 01:34 <Tampa> I posted mine to mantis
2021-01-30 01:34 <Plugh> You don't need all the bits.
2021-01-30 01:34 <Ubit> i mean the relevant bits
2021-01-30 01:35 <Ubit> 1 | 2 | 3 | 6
2021-01-30 01:35 <Plugh> It checks Mature and Adult. If those are both clear the listing is considered PG. Those are the only bits that should be needed. Any viewer old enough to use bits 0 or 1 for maturity level would probably no longer work with OS.
2021-01-30 01:36 <Ubit> why do | 4 if it is set? duhhh
2021-01-30 01:37 <Ubit> ie why set pg if pg is set ? 
2021-01-30 01:37 <Plugh> Fine. If you think they need to be checked I would have updated the bit mask before commiting. Rather pointless now as you patched the message handling instead of patching the code that handles the update request.
2021-01-30 01:38 <Ubit> that is why i use 0x7e  ( not the 7c, just bc )
2021-01-30 01:38 <Ubit> as i said, bit 1 is old mature, still valid
2021-01-30 01:39 <Plugh> What viewers are still using 0 and 1 when submitting a classified ad?
2021-01-30 01:39 <Ubit> ir code does nothing if some with imprudence addes a class :)
2021-01-30 01:39 <Ubit> well if imp does that still
2021-01-30 01:40 <Tampa> So I spent 10 hours testing a patch for nothing
2021-01-30 01:41 <Ubit> nothing?? we fixing the thing and you say nothing??
2021-01-30 01:41 <Ubit> and you learned how to count (again) !!
2021-01-30 01:41 <Plugh> You could have just pointed that out, had me change the one number and I would have commited the change. It is rare that I have the chance to commit code and that last couple of times I come up with a patch you wind up pushing a change because I didn't push right away as I was checking that my change wasn't going to break something.
2021-01-30 01:43 <Plugh> 
ACTION goes back to disassembling some 68000 code

2021-01-30 01:46 <Tampa> I have working classifieds now, with correct flags in the database so Plughs search works out of the box and all with just 11 more lines of code in a way that you said pleases you. Have to thank Plugh for starting it, not sure why bitwise never worked, but int does and I setup checking to make sure only valid flags make it in, because database input should always be checked. Setting different flags on output to the client only hides the wrong flags 
2021-01-30 01:46 <Tampa> and search system that base output to OpenSim on correct flags will fail to show PG items so no point in making sure they are shown properly if they never show up at all. In the end this is a viewer bug, FS and probably other viewers are not sending correct flags on submission, why who knows, they certainly request correct flags via search.
2021-01-30 01:46 <Ubit> 7e?? 4e !
2021-01-30 01:51 <Tampa> You know writing patches gives me nothing, I do it to fix a problem, to help the project to get it to feature completion, because I like seeing my work being useful, that's why I would love to just commit all stuff I have, but I have to eat so I have to keep something to drum up interest in my products, yet I'd happily fund a module for proper land sales or even handling events if the viewer would follow. The occasional thanks or committing of 
2021-01-30 01:51 <Tampa> patches is all I seek, if they need edits later on so be it, I only ever learned c++ and only half of that so I go at this with years of php behind me which makes for odd code, but it works and it fixes the things I get complaints about, from users, who in the end are happy and that makes it worth it.
2021-01-30 02:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #7523 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-01-30 02:02 <Ubit> ok adding it grid side also
2021-01-30 02:02 <Ubit> can u test tampa?
2021-01-30 02:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7523: SUCCESS in 4 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7523/
2021-01-30 02:06 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: also do it grid side, like original commit, so older regions get the fix
2021-01-30 02:20 <Tampa> stuck on a test, need to try again ugh
2021-01-30 02:23 <osmantis> Bug #8856:04 Userprofiles does not sanitize classified input 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8856 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-30 02:28 <Tampa> Guess once it is deserialized it allows bitwise huh
2021-01-30 02:28 <Tampa> 4 and 36 as it should be for pg
2021-01-30 02:38 <Tampa> Still think more should be done to make sure input is sane but whatever
2021-01-30 02:39 <Tampa> ...ten hours...
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2021-01-30 14:46 <Tampa> I reported both the flags issue and the malformed hop links in the classified display to FS jira now
2021-01-30 14:47 <Tampa> 30720 and 30721
2021-01-30 20:26 <diva> Ubit I'm getting mixed results when I have llSetPos on an object with coordinates that make it corss the border. Sometimes, it crosses ok, other times it disappears. What exactly is supposed to happen?
2021-01-30 20:29 <diva> oh there's a limit for how far it can jump?
2021-01-30 20:32 <diva> osTeleportObject it is!
2021-01-30 21:35 <Tampa> You can throw physical objects across regions or using the keyframe animation, but setpos is not likely to work no, well not reliably anyways
2021-01-30 23:40 <diva> osTeleportObject is not working for me, it always returns -1. What am I missing? I have OSSL enabled, and I now have set that function's permission to true
2021-01-31 00:02 <diva> this is so werid. Some objects do it, others don't
2021-01-31 00:04 <diva> wow, there's a bug! If the object is phantom, it always fails
2021-01-31 00:04 <diva> if it's not phantom, it succeeds
2021-01-31 00:16 <diva> looks like change CHANGED_REGION doesn't trigger
2021-01-31 01:26 <osmantis> Bug #8858:04 Robust.HG.ini changes are ignored, even after restarting Robust and clearing viewer browser and network data cache 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8858 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-01-31 01:54 <osmantis> Bug #8858:04 Robust.HG.ini changes are ignored, even after restarting Robust and clearing viewer browser and network data cache 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8858 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-31 02:01 <osmantis> Bug #8858:04 Robust.HG.ini changes are ignored, even after restarting Robust and clearing viewer browser and network data cache 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8858 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-31 02:01 <osmantis> Bug #8858:04 Robust.HG.ini changes are ignored, even after restarting Robust and clearing viewer browser and network data cache 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8858 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-31 02:02 <osmantis> Bug #8858:04 Robust.HG.ini changes are ignored, even after restarting Robust and clearing viewer browser and network data cache 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8858 ): has been RESOLVED.
2021-01-31 03:34 <osmantis> Bug #8859:04 FSAssets continues to fetch from fallback after import command 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8859 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-01-31 03:38 <osmantis> Bug #8859:04 FSAssets continues to fetch from fallback after import command 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8859 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-31 11:45 <osmantis> Bug #8859:04 FSAssets continues to fetch from fallback after import command 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8859 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-31 11:47 <osmantis> Bug #8856:04 Userprofiles does not sanitize classified input 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8856 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-01-31 18:57 <diva> why would I not be able to start a group chat session? Did something change?
2021-01-31 18:57 <diva> DM is working correctly
2021-01-31 19:24 <diva> omg, one of the default settings doesn't work with Modules V2
2021-02-01 20:25 <osmantis> Bug #8859:04 FSAssets continues to fetch from fallback after import command 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8859 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-01 20:27 <Ubit> osteleport does return -1 on several cases..
2021-02-01 20:28 <Ubit> his function was added in 0.9.0.1
2021-02-01 20:28 <Ubit> returns a integer error code:
2021-02-01 20:28 <Ubit> negative the teleport failed
2021-02-01 20:28 <Ubit> ofc :p
2021-02-01 20:29 <Ubit> invalid UUID
2021-02-01 20:29 <Ubit>    SceneObjectGroup sog = World.GetSceneObjectGroup(objUUID);
2021-02-01 20:29 <Ubit>             if(sog== null || sog.IsDeleted || sog.inTransit)
2021-02-01 20:29 <Ubit>                 return -1;
2021-02-01 20:30 <Ubit> ie deleted or already doing a tp
2021-02-01 20:30 <Ubit>             if(sog.OwnerID != m_host.OwnerID)
2021-02-01 20:30 <Ubit>             {
2021-02-01 20:30 <Ubit>                 Vector3 pos = sog.AbsolutePosition;
2021-02-01 20:30 <Ubit>                 if(!checkAllowObjectTPbyLandOwner(pos))
2021-02-01 20:30 <Ubit>                     return -1;
2021-02-01 20:30 <Ubit>             }
2021-02-01 20:31 <Ubit> hmmm this one is strange
2021-02-01 21:08 <osjenkins> Starting build #7524 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-02-01 21:13 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7524: SUCCESS in 5 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7524/
2021-02-01 21:13 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: let osteleportobject work with phantom prims (still not kfm ones)(at least until i remember why not..)
2021-02-02 03:13 <Psi-Jack> Can you raise the land itself be raised to ~400meters?
2021-02-02 03:13 <Psi-Jack> Seems to be locked at 100M.
2021-02-02 06:44 <osmantis> Bug #8859:04 FSAssets continues to fetch from fallback after import command 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8859 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-02 08:33 <Tampa> @Psi-Jack normally should allow up to 256 up, but you can scale as well if you need it further up or use a heightmap raw
2021-02-02 08:48 <osmantis> Bug #8859:04 FSAssets continues to fetch from fallback after import command 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8859 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-02 09:04 <piusnoel> Psi-Jack: terrain elevate 400 worked for me.
2021-02-02 09:08 <piusnoel> ... on current master
2021-02-03 00:49 <snik> howdy all, hows it going?
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2021-02-06 18:43 <osjenkins> Starting build #7525 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-02-06 18:47 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7525: SUCCESS in 5 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7525/
2021-02-06 18:47 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8855 fix the cast, avoiding the tostring
2021-02-06 23:57 <Psi-Jack> Alright! Time to hang up the Mono and .NET stuff, and re-write opensim in Go. :)
2021-02-06 23:57 <Psi-Jack> 
ACTION ducks.

2021-02-07 03:13 <osmantis> Bug #8848:04 Typo in AssetData request uri string in AssetServiceConnector 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8848 ): Der folgende Eintrag wurde erledigt.
2021-02-07 03:14 <osmantis> Bug #8855:04 Cast Excaption at osGetNumberOfAttachments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8855 ): Der folgende Eintrag wurde erledigt.
2021-02-07 03:17 <osmantis> Bug #8709:04 [PATCH] Implement OS commands similar to llCreateKeyValue, llReadKeyValue and llDeleteKeyValue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8709 ): Der folgende Eintrag wurde erledigt.
2021-02-07 07:47 <Tampa> As an addon that actually makes a bit of sense, but big uf on not compressing the data
2021-02-07 07:47 <Tampa> Or well implementing some form of quota or fixed size
2021-02-08 08:01 <Tampa> Just thinking aloud here, wouldn't it be neat to have console commands for getting and setting EEP?
2021-02-08 13:14 <osmantis> Bug #8861:04 Linked prim positions change when linked or unlinked. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8861 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-02-08 13:16 <osmantis> Bug #8861:04 Linked prim positions change when linked or unlinked. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8861 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-08 21:47 <osmantis> Bug #8862:04 Some scripts won't load after loading OAR 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8862 ): has been SUBMITTED.
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2021-02-09 00:07 <osmantis> Bug #8861:04 Linked prim positions change when linked or unlinked. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8861 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-09 03:59 <osjenkins> Starting build #7526 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-02-09 04:00 <osmantis> Bug #8861:04 Linked prim positions change when linked or unlinked. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8861 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-09 04:03 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7526: FAILURE in 5 min 24 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7526/
2021-02-09 04:03 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8861: seems we can't trust save rotations
2021-02-09 04:32 <osjenkins> Starting build #7527 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7525 2 days 9 hr ago)
2021-02-09 04:36 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2021-02-09 04:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7527: FIXED in 4 min 20 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7527/
2021-02-09 04:36 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: work around broken tests
2021-02-09 04:53 <osjenkins> Starting build #7528 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2021-02-09 04:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7528: SUCCESS in 4 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7528/
2021-02-09 04:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: change those tests a bit
2021-02-09 06:51 <Tampa> I almost forgot how funny snow on ice sounds when cars go over it
2021-02-09 13:38 <osmantis> Bug #8862:04 Some scripts won't load after loading OAR 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8862 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-09 17:19 <osmantis> Bug #8862:04 Some scripts won't load after loading OAR 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8862 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-09 18:53 <osmantis> Bug #8862:04 Some scripts won't load after loading OAR 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8862 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-09 18:54 <osjenkins> Starting build #7529 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-02-09 18:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7529: SUCCESS in 5 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7529/
2021-02-09 18:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8862: do cancel negative cache on valid store
2021-02-09 21:22 <osmantis> Bug #8862:04 Some scripts won't load after loading OAR 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8862 ): has been RESOLVED.
2021-02-09 21:23 <osmantis> Bug #8862:04 Some scripts won't load after loading OAR 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8862 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-10 05:47 <osmantis> Bug #8863:04 Region console command for save and load environments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8863 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-02-10 09:23 <osmantis> Bug #8863:04 Region console command for save and load environments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8863 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-10 09:43 <osmantis> Bug #8863:04 Region console command for save and load environments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8863 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-10 18:41 <Psi-Jack> So, I keep having this recurring problem on this grid I manage. I used to run my own home-run opensim set of instances that I did hypergrid connect to this grid. I've long since shut it down because it's not needed, useful, etc anymore. Somehow, though, Often times I login, my griduser identify assumes the HG entry of my normal login UUID, but with the grid address of my home-run grid I used to run, which breaks a LOT of stuff, like the 
2021-02-10 18:41 <Psi-Jack> ability to "Go home", because my home position is not set there. 
2021-02-10 18:41 <Psi-Jack> How... In the F.... does this keep recurring.... I have to manually go into the database and delete that entry every sngle freaking time.
2021-02-10 18:42 <Psi-Jack> And when I to login afterwards, it's like I am kicking myself offline because the old me was "still logged in" as well.
2021-02-11 06:41 <Tampa> Sounds like an issue with proxy
2021-02-11 06:41 <Psi-Jack> There's no proxy.
2021-02-11 06:43 <Tampa> Check the SRV directives in login against the constants and what you have in hypergrid, make sure those match logically
2021-02-11 06:43 <Tampa> That's normally how that happens
2021-02-11 06:43 <Psi-Jack> There's no SRV records.
2021-02-11 06:45 <Tampa> SRV_HomeURI
2021-02-11 06:47 <Psi-Jack> Still not sure, then. I mean, my personal grid... Has long since been no longer a thing. It's not running. DNS entries for it don't even exist to it anymore, yet somehow sometimes, I login to the grid, and yes, partly was my own mistake, but when I did setup my own grid, I copied my UUID from this grid as my administrator user.... 
2021-02-11 06:47 <Psi-Jack> but... It's... not.... runnning....
2021-02-11 06:56 <Tampa> No idea then can't see your configs ;)
2021-02-11 07:32 <Psi-Jack> But.. it... keeps duplicating my uuid;myoldgrididontrun, in gridusers. Just... Randomly at login, apparently. 
2021-02-11 09:38 <osmantis> Bug #8864:04 Opensim 0.9.2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8864 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-02-11 09:47 <osmantis> Bug #8864:04 Opensim 0.9.2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8864 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-11 09:52 <osmantis> Bug #8864:04 Opensim 0.9.2 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8864 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-11 09:53 <osmantis> Bug #8864:04 Slow loading of prims, database timeout, teleport fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8864 ): has been UPDATED.
2021-02-11 09:54 <Tampa> hrmpf
2021-02-11 09:54 <Tampa> grrrr
2021-02-11 09:57 <osmantis> Bug #8864:04 Slow loading of prims, database timeout, teleport fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8864 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-11 11:51 <osmantis> Bug #8864:04 Slow loading of prims, database timeout, teleport fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8864 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-11 12:34 <Tampa> Thought that function was no longer in there in master
2021-02-11 12:34 <Tampa> Did you leave it in?
2021-02-11 12:34 <Tampa> According to the mantis running latest autobuild
2021-02-11 12:35 <Tampa> I suspect what's going on is a slow connection to database and hardware overload during script startup or right after
2021-02-11 12:35 <Tampa> That tends to have the symptoms described there
2021-02-11 12:35 <Tampa> OpenSim really hates slow database, SSD is a must unless you run massive buffers
2021-02-11 12:36 <Tampa> Idiocy of mysql to say you should put 30% of system memory as buffer as if that helps performance any when most of the data is forcefully committed anyways as it is locking in nature
2021-02-11 12:37 <Tampa> Only thing aurora did well there using redis despite well volatile in nature, damn was it fast
2021-02-11 15:03 <Plugh> Tampa: redis?
2021-02-11 15:08 <Tampa> huh yes
2021-02-11 15:08 <Tampa> Don't remember exactly how it was setup though
2021-02-11 15:08 <Tampa> For assets though as memory cache or something
2021-02-11 15:09 <Tampa> Experimented around using it to cache database as well or at least grid db to handle logins faster since it kept hanging up on inventory
2021-02-11 15:09 <Tampa> Not sure if any of that carried over into whitecore
2021-02-11 15:10 <Tampa> I been experimenting with caching and CDN stuff for a while, nothing solid so far, but concepts exist
2021-02-11 15:25 <Ubit> yeah we should have some in memory cache
2021-02-11 15:26 <Ubit> but that is a fail with current GC
2021-02-11 15:26 <Ubit> and also with ppl getting in and out.. all data would endup in memory
2021-02-11 15:27 <Ubit> not cool on opensim typical "small" regions
2021-02-11 15:27 <Ubit> also both linux and win do disk cache with the free memory
2021-02-11 15:27 <Ubit> and that is better than any c# caching
2021-02-11 15:32 <osmantis> Bug #8864:04 Slow loading of prims, database timeout, teleport fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8864 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-11 15:41 <Plugh> Tampa, what is "redis"? I don't know that word.
2021-02-11 15:55 <Tampa> https://redis.io/
2021-02-11 15:55 <Tampa> Yer coulda googled that
2021-02-11 15:56 <Tampa> The big issue with redis was that it was to some extend volatile storage during runtime
2021-02-11 15:56 <Tampa> If it shutdown proper everything would be saved, but you could lose a lot of data if you sigkill it
2021-02-11 15:57 <Tampa> aurora tuned it to be committing data pretty frequently specific chunk sizes and such so it worked to balance load and keep disk io at a specific rate
2021-02-11 15:58 <Tampa> since still using normal sql for other parts
2021-02-11 15:58 <Tampa> So need to leave some disk io for that
2021-02-11 15:59 <Tampa> With a good implementation it could still be used for inventory and assets perhaps, but you can kinda "cold serve" those better
2021-02-11 15:59 <Tampa> sras and the like
2021-02-11 15:59 <Tampa> I have seen inventory size of 30gb still load just fine, takes a minute or two, but can login and retrieve no issues there
2021-02-11 16:00 <Tampa> Used to be certain inventory size on HDD you get login fail cause initial data list take too long
2021-02-11 16:00 <Tampa> Not sure why that is tied to login
2021-02-11 16:01 <Tampa> Friggn 2006 protocols
2021-02-11 16:02 <Tampa> I still believe, and you can call me insane for it, that once SL finally bites the dust we can get rid of stupid stuff and make proper protocols
2021-02-11 16:02 <Tampa> The matter of viewers following solved by way of no alternative really
2021-02-11 16:07 <Tampa> So many fun things one could do, 3d parcels, multiple water levels, water tiles, voxels...
2021-02-11 16:07 <Tampa> Or finally ditching that yee yee pseudo tcp udp thing lol
2021-02-11 17:02 <Plugh> Tampa: I thought it might have been a typo.
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2021-02-12 00:38 <osmantis> Bug #8865:04 add osNpcLookAt() function to make NPC movement more realistic 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8865 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-02-12 10:49 <osmantis> Bug #8865:04 add osNpcLookAt() function to make NPC movement more realistic 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8865 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-12 11:44 <osmantis> Bug #8865:04 add osNpcLookAt() function to make NPC movement more realistic 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8865 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2021-02-12 14:49 <Ubit> oops
2021-02-12 14:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #7530 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-02-12 14:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7530: FAILURE in 2 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7530/
2021-02-12 14:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: minor cosmetics
2021-02-12 14:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: minor cosmetics
2021-02-12 14:51 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change where we check for region full of avatars
2021-02-12 14:51 <Tampa> I have the weirdest issue, a user crashed and now their socket is stuck somehow, can't teleport to the region they crashed on, even restart it still doesn't send presence
2021-02-12 14:52 <Tampa> Only like the third time I seen this in what 10 years
2021-02-12 14:52 <Tampa> So strange also F*** networking
2021-02-12 14:52 <Tampa> It's always dns or something
2021-02-12 14:57 <osjenkins> Starting build #7531 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7529 2 days 20 hr ago)
2021-02-12 14:58 <Tampa> ... wait what
2021-02-12 14:59 <Tampa> oh hehe you being silly
2021-02-12 14:59 <Ubit> :)
2021-02-12 15:00 <Tampa> I do this so damn often when I write in mvc style, gotta keep a lecture of functions or you just get confused
2021-02-12 15:00 <Ubit> bad bad Tampa
2021-02-12 15:00 <Tampa> If ci3 didn't have debug output I'd prolly go mad over blank pages
2021-02-12 15:00 <Tampa> php takes no prisoners for bad code
2021-02-12 15:00 <Tampa> It just yeets itself out the window
2021-02-12 15:02 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2021-02-12 15:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7531: FIXED in 4 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7531/
2021-02-12 15:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: bad bad ubit...
2021-02-12 15:15 <Tampa> Ah this is funny, so somehow this users socket is seen as open but nothing answers on it, but OpenSim so smart wants to re-use it
2021-02-12 15:15 <Tampa> It hurt itself in confusion
2021-02-13 05:43 <osmantis> Bug #8864:04 Slow loading of prims, database timeout, teleport fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8864 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-13 05:55 <osmantis> Bug #8864:04 Slow loading of prims, database timeout, teleport fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8864 ): has been UPDATED.
2021-02-13 05:57 <osmantis> Bug #8864:04 Slow loading of prims, database timeout, teleport fail 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8864 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2021-02-13 12:01 <osjenkins> Starting build #7532 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2021-02-13 12:06 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7532: SUCCESS in 6 min 12 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7532/
2021-02-13 12:06 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mk sure some info is removed on close agent
2021-02-13 12:06 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: try tune keepalive on region agent create
2021-02-14 08:39 <osmantis> Bug #8866:04 missing examples 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8866 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-02-14 08:50 <osmantis> Bug #8866:04 missing examples 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8866 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2021-02-14 08:57 <osmantis> Bug #8867:04 osDrawImagefromInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8867 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-02-14 09:04 <djphil> Hmmm I no longer have the power to create "relationship" between the mantis, yet I could do it before ... has this power been taken from me ?
2021-02-14 09:45 <osmantis> Bug #8866:04 missing examples 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8866 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-14 10:46 <osmantis> Bug #8866:04 missing examples 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8866 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-14 11:03 <osmantis> Bug #8866:04 missing examples 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8866 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2021-02-14 11:27 <osmantis> Bug #8867:04 osDrawImagefromInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8867 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-14 11:29 <Tampa> Maybe Ubit can finish the rest, dynamic texture code is a bit too much for my brain
2021-02-14 11:31 <Tampa> It sets up drawlist for image url as Image width height url, but I can't find where it parses that
2021-02-14 11:31 <Tampa> Suppose it does then also call http to fetch the texture and so on
2021-02-14 11:32 <Tampa> Can't really copy code from llSetTexture either cause that uses part properties to handle textures which is not how dynamic textures are set
2021-02-14 11:35 <djphil> I wanted to link this to my mantis 8480 as it is very similar and it is a request already made some time ago ...
2021-02-14 11:35 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8480
2021-02-14 11:35 <djphil> but it looks like i can't bind mantis now and i don't know why ...
2021-02-14 11:36 <osmantis> Bug #8867:04 osDrawImagefromInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8867 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008480.
2021-02-14 11:36 <osmantis> Bug #8480:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osDrawImage Improvement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8480 ): has been set as RELATED TO issue 0008867.
2021-02-14 11:37 <djphil> Thank you already for that ... but I wish I could do it myself, as I could do before
2021-02-14 11:39 <Tampa> I'd love to edit closed reports with additional info but alas effort is not rewarded on the mantis lol
2021-02-14 11:40 <djphil> Remember we already have something for Tampa Dynamic Texture Rotation
2021-02-14 11:40 <djphil> Your suggestion of osSetTextureUUID with a rotation parameter is a bit useless
2021-02-14 11:42 <djphil> Also consider that many Ubit-enhanced OSSLs use more than one type of variable in a single parameter. For example string can be uuid or name. As you can see in many recent improvements of OSSL functions
2021-02-14 11:42 <Tampa> That's not what I wrote
2021-02-14 11:42 <djphil> Well a see the last param is a rot
2021-02-14 11:42 <djphil> osSetTextureUUID(string drawList, key uuid, float scaleX, float scaleY, float offsetX, float offsetY, float rotation);
2021-02-14 11:43 <djphil> Don't forget osDrawRotationTransform
2021-02-14 11:43 <djphil> Hard to use but do the job :p
2021-02-14 11:44 <Tampa> The issue at hand is retrieving an image from inventory
2021-02-14 11:44 <Tampa> To do that best to fetch UUID of it
2021-02-14 11:44 <Tampa> Problem is making dynamic texture parser load image data from UUID and not URL
2021-02-14 11:44 <Tampa> Because a UUID ain't a URL
2021-02-14 11:44 <djphil> a uuid or a name ... name is from object inventory
2021-02-14 11:45 <Tampa> It takes the name, but fetches the UUID from it, much like settexture does
2021-02-14 11:45 <djphil> string URL can be string UUID or string Name  ...
2021-02-14 11:45 <Tampa> That's where that code comes from
2021-02-14 11:45 <Tampa> But the patch does nothing because dynamic texture module doesn't know how to parse that draw call yet
2021-02-14 11:45 <Tampa> No idea how to edit it to make it do that either cause that code is hella complex
2021-02-14 11:45 <djphil> Sure, that u can understand
2021-02-14 11:46 <djphil> i*
2021-02-14 11:46 <Tampa> I suppose this is also what the dynamicID was intended to do or well could do, re-using the fetch from url an draw on top of it
2021-02-14 11:46 <djphil> In any case it would be interesting to have this new functionality :)
2021-02-14 11:46 <Tampa> But that's also not implemented at the moment
2021-02-14 11:47 <Tampa> I think it is a good idea, enough for sponsorship even, but Ubit doesn't do commissions
2021-02-14 11:48 <Tampa> Not sure anyone else wants to tackle dynamic texture mess either
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2021-02-14 14:21 <osmantis> Bug #8866:04 missing examples 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8866 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-14 14:51 <osmantis> Bug #8866:04 missing examples 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8866 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-14 16:57 <osmantis> Bug #8866:04 missing examples 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8866 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2021-02-14 16:59 <osmantis> Bug #8866:04 missing examples 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8866 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2021-02-14 16:59 <djphil> Ralala :s
2021-02-15 11:05 <osmantis> Bug #8866:04 missing examples 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8866 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-15 11:18 <osmantis> Bug #8867:04 osDrawImagefromInventory 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8867 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-15 14:21 <Ai_Austin> Hi, quick one for Ubit if he is on
2021-02-15 14:27 <Tampa> If he doesn't react he is either busy or sleeping, what's up?
2021-02-15 14:29 <Ai_Austin> Hi Tampa.  I was spotting that Firestorm amended the UUIDs for SL for their pose stand to fix an issue with priorties of some expressions.  https://jira.firestormviewer.org/browse/FIRE-30588
2021-02-15 14:30 <Ai_Austin> Beq Janus and Ubit worked together with the animation creator to get those included in OpenSim 0.9.2.0 dev master and I wondered what might be the impact on us.
2021-02-15 14:30 <Ai_Austin> I will ask him if he saw that via another channel.
2021-02-15 14:33 <Tampa> You can message him directly through irc, but I suspect it might be a while for an answer, try the mailing list perhaps if he doesn't respond
2021-02-15 14:35 <Ai_Austin> NP, I have a discord and e-mail for him if needed. I just spoke to Beq Janus and she is aware a change will be needed
2021-02-15 14:36 <Tampa> I don't know how many are even aware the button is there, first time I hear about it actually
2021-02-15 14:37 <Tampa> Be nifty if we get another beta soon that also enables the grid status button now that OpenSim has support for it
2021-02-15 14:39 <Ai_Austin> They have nit started on prep of a beta yet. Beq is aware that if bit moves to an actual 0.9.2.0 release  one day we ought to get the corrected anims in
2021-02-15 14:40 <Ai_Austin> Thanks.  off now for an online seminar
2021-02-15 15:13 <Ubit> bahhh
2021-02-15 15:13 <Ubit> why did i added fs things :p
2021-02-15 15:18 <Tampa> You know what they say nothing comes free
2021-02-15 15:18 <Tampa> Chin up, not that big a change
2021-02-15 15:18 <Ubit> well can't do anything
2021-02-15 15:18 <Ubit> no assets
2021-02-15 15:20 <Ubit> also current fs release uses this 0.9.2 ones
2021-02-15 15:24 <Ubit> well and they talk about experimental.. so no prob waiting..
2021-02-15 15:26 <Ubit> well and they talk about experimental.. so no prob waiting..
2021-02-15 15:26 <Ubit> oops
2021-02-15 15:26 <Ubit> my cat decided i should say that twice
2021-02-15 15:30 <Tampa> Well while you wait maybe you can help out on 8867 or 8863
2021-02-15 15:30 <Ubit> ZzzzZzzz ZzzzZZzzzz
2021-02-15 15:30 <Ubit> ;)
2021-02-15 15:31 <Tampa> It's winter, you are portugese not spanish and it's 2pm, no siesta compadre 
2021-02-15 15:31 <Ubit> yeah seen the image..
2021-02-15 15:32 <Ubit> hey we also (had) siesta
2021-02-15 15:32 <Ubit> all should have actually
2021-02-15 15:32 <Ubit> at least those that have lunch as a strong meal
2021-02-15 15:32 <Tampa> Tell me about it I get sleepy after lunch every day it's so annoying
2021-02-15 15:33 <Tampa> I wanna do work but body is like, nooo snooze time
2021-02-15 15:33 <Ubit> image low level is its fun part
2021-02-15 15:33 <Ubit> and guess lltexture covers a lot of cases
2021-02-15 15:33 <Tampa> I went into dynamic textures somewhat confident I could hack to together from parts, but I cannot even find where it parses imageURL normally
2021-02-15 15:33 <Ubit> ok not all
2021-02-15 15:34 <Tampa> Code doing bit level operations and my brain almost caught fire
2021-02-15 15:34 <Ubit> :)
2021-02-15 15:35 <Ubit> adn what do you want with that env??
2021-02-15 15:35 <Tampa> Just a file with the estate level env settings in it
2021-02-15 15:35 <Ubit> not going to expose on a file all those parameters that are very viewer dep
2021-02-15 15:35 <Ubit> when they are assets
2021-02-15 15:36 <Tampa> I want to backup the env without doing a full oar, even without assets those are rather large and testing them means I have to load the oar which takes a long time
2021-02-15 15:36 <Tampa> I tried just somehow fetching the asset data from asset server and replacing the data, but even after restarting region it doesn't stick, have to clear the region caches
2021-02-15 15:37 <Tampa> So huge pain to just do env tests without a way to temporarily store them somewhere in file format
2021-02-15 15:37 <Ubit> you can dump a asset from cache no?
2021-02-15 15:37 <Tampa> Yeah but means rebooting the region when I make a change, that takes 15 minutes each time
2021-02-15 15:38 <Tampa> I got like 400 env to test
2021-02-15 15:38 <Ubit> those things should be tested with a viewer
2021-02-15 15:39 <Ubit> "Ideally the created file would be humanly readable as perhaps a comma separated list of data or something that can be opened by an editor directly. Not sure it is possible to read and manipulate llsd in a safe manner directly."
2021-02-15 15:39 <Ubit> sorry not going to add another full parser
2021-02-15 15:39 <Tampa> Note, ideally, not a requirement
2021-02-15 15:39 <Tampa> Just "nice to have"
2021-02-15 15:39 <Ubit> yeah just telling
2021-02-15 15:40 <Ubit> and llsd can be unreadable
2021-02-15 15:40 <Ubit> it can be notation, binary and xml
2021-02-15 15:40 <Ubit> currently only binary is not in use on env
2021-02-15 15:40 <Tampa> I can, once I have the file, make my own parser if need be, but I just want to finish testing these environments so they can replace the windlight ones in the viewer at some point
2021-02-15 15:40 <Ubit> but both notation and xml are
2021-02-15 15:41 <Ubit> i decided to use xml on the provided assets
2021-02-15 15:41 <Ubit> but some are stored on dbs as notation
2021-02-15 15:41 <Ubit> i think
2021-02-15 15:41 <Ubit> viewers also changed what they use
2021-02-15 15:42 <Tampa> Currently I grab the asset, replace the one I have on the region with that data, clear assetcache and reboot the region. All in all takes 20 minutes only to see if the sky is green or water pink or whatever.
2021-02-15 15:42 <Ubit> ( by spec the llsd type should be detected on the fly and decoded acording.. )
2021-02-15 15:43 <Ubit> well with a viewer you can edit and save assets 
2021-02-15 15:43 <Ubit> ( and seeing the changes effects on the fly
2021-02-15 15:44 <Ubit> you are not suposed to edit assets
2021-02-15 15:44 <Tampa> Yes, which is what these are, but I can't put these assets anywhere, adding them to my asset server and then inventory didn't work, either they don't show up or the data is corrupted somehow cause the base64 encoding somehow isn't correct
2021-02-15 15:44 <Ubit> and some those env things may not be independent
2021-02-15 15:44 <Ubit> changes on some may impact effects of others
2021-02-15 15:45 <Tampa> So I end up with a bunch of asset files in blob format I try to force into fsassets which just fails at the moment
2021-02-15 15:45 <Ubit> what you mean didn't work??
2021-02-15 15:45 <Ubit> saving the asset on a viewer should work fine
2021-02-15 15:45 <Ubit> ( and must )
2021-02-15 15:46 <Ubit> something on your specific code?
2021-02-15 15:46 <Tampa> They are all just blob data from a opensim.db file, I tried converting them to fsasset format aka base64 encoding right, then add them to inventory via database, somehow either they don't show in inventory or when I load them via the viewer they fail
2021-02-15 15:47 <Tampa> That's why I wanted to get just an env asset file downloaded from a region so I could see if I was formatting it correctly
2021-02-15 15:47 <Ubit> what fsasset format?
2021-02-15 15:47 <Ubit> fsasset format is the same
2021-02-15 15:47 <Tampa> binary blob data from opensim.db sqlite asset database converted to base64 encoded file asset saved as .gz
2021-02-15 15:48 <Ubit> what a mess :p
2021-02-15 15:48 <Tampa> Same thing I do for manually uploading images to asset server
2021-02-15 15:48 <Tampa> Tell me about it
2021-02-15 15:48 <Ubit> why sqlite??
2021-02-15 15:48 <Tampa> That's what I was given
2021-02-15 15:48 <Ubit> you are using sqlite as test?
2021-02-15 15:48 <Tampa> This was made by someone who setup a standalone and recreated the windlight presets in EEP
2021-02-15 15:49 <Tampa> Then gave me the DB and said here see if they work
2021-02-15 15:49 <Ubit> yeack
2021-02-15 15:49 <Tampa> yes ;_;
2021-02-15 15:49 <Ubit> well the sqlite blob is exactly the same
2021-02-15 15:50 <Tampa> I know, which is why it is so odd this conversion tool I use doesn't work on these, I use it for all other assets when I convert grids from mysql to sras
2021-02-15 15:50 <Tampa> The format is supposed to work, but with the EEP assets it fails somehow
2021-02-15 15:51 <Ubit> hmm no idea
2021-02-15 15:51 <Tampa> The other thing is I want to setup a default env across a bunch of regions, 300 regions in fact, once I find a nice env for them
2021-02-15 15:51 <Tampa> I'd need hours to teleport and set them all
2021-02-15 15:51 <Ubit> there is one thing i didn't add for that 
2021-02-15 15:52 <Tampa> Being able to load from file would make that a matter of minutes 
2021-02-15 15:52 <Ubit> ( and planned to add )
2021-02-15 15:52 <Tampa> I wanted to strip an oar down to just env, but then it fails to load even with -merge flag
2021-02-15 15:53 <Tampa> Like I didn't mantis this on a whim, I exhausted every other option I could think of because least I want is to bother you with something I can do myself
2021-02-15 15:54 <Tampa> I even looked into doing a -env flag for the oar exporter to just export the env via the code you showed me... each time I mess with that oar code I get random compiler errors that I can't figure out what they mean
2021-02-15 15:55 <Tampa> Get different ones from one compile to the next even which shouldn't even be a thing o_O
2021-02-15 15:55 <Tampa> I gave up on this yesterday and went to refactor login service code instead trying to clean that up a bit
2021-02-15 23:23 <osjenkins> Starting build #7533 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-02-15 23:28 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7533: SUCCESS in 5 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7533/
2021-02-15 23:28 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: don't try to remove caps on a npc (minor, just stop logs about it)
2021-02-16 00:04 <osmantis> Bug #8865:04 add osNpcLookAt() function to make NPC movement more realistic 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8865 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-16 03:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #7534 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-02-16 03:23 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7534: SUCCESS in 6 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7534/
2021-02-16 03:23 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8865: add experimental osNpcLookAt
2021-02-16 03:24 <osmantis> Bug #8865:04 add osNpcLookAt() function to make NPC movement more realistic 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8865 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-16 07:46 <djphil> osNpcLookAt added as expérimental to the OSSL main page and template page, no yet exemple ... Coming soon ... http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsNpcLookAt
2021-02-16 12:25 <osjenkins> Starting build #7535 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-02-16 12:26 <djphil> ha cool we know now what is 0 to 11 values :)
2021-02-16 12:26 <osmantis> Bug #8865:04 add osNpcLookAt() function to make NPC movement more realistic 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8865 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-02-16 12:30 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7535: SUCCESS in 6 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7535/
2021-02-16 12:30 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add constants for npclookat types
2021-02-16 12:33 <djphil> i see two __ on this public const int PERMISSION__RETURN_OBJECTS = 0x10000;
2021-02-16 12:34 <Ubit> u see 2 much :p
2021-02-16 12:34 <djphil> it's normal or a typo
2021-02-16 12:35 <Ubit> :)
2021-02-16 12:35 <Ubit> typo ofc
2021-02-16 12:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #7536 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-02-16 12:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7536: SUCCESS in 4 min 58 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7536/
2021-02-16 12:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove a extra _
2021-02-16 12:58 <osmantis> Bug #8865:04 add osNpcLookAt() function to make NPC movement more realistic 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8865 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2021-02-16 13:02 <Ubit> sending a email == lose other comms :)
2021-02-16 13:02 <osmantis> Bug #8865:04 add osNpcLookAt() function to make NPC movement more realistic 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8865 ): Se ha añadido una NOTA a esta incidencia.
2021-02-17 19:30 <djphil> Hey Ubit, the place for the constant ossl is there :p
2021-02-17 19:30 <djphil> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OSSL_Constants
2021-02-17 19:33 <djphil> Don't worry i will move this
2021-03-01 15:36 <osmantis> Bug #8870:04 on all 0.9.2 i have tried, built on Ubuntu 20.04 using multi regions per sim results in httpResponse only working on one region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8870 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-01 15:37 <osjenkins> Starting build #7537 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-03-01 15:40 <osmantis> Bug #8870:04 on all 0.9.2 i have tried, built on Ubuntu 20.04 using multi regions per sim results in httpResponse only working on one region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8870 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-01 15:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7537: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7537/
2021-03-01 15:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8870: do look on all script engines for http requests done
2021-03-01 15:58 <osmantis> Bug #8870:04 on all 0.9.2 i have tried, built on Ubuntu 20.04 using multi regions per sim results in httpResponse only working on one region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8870 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-01 20:12 <osmantis> Bug #8870:04 on all 0.9.2 i have tried, built on Ubuntu 20.04 using multi regions per sim results in httpResponse only working on one region 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8870 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-01 22:11 <osmantis> Bug #8871:04 Objects are redrawn when camera changes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8871 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-03-01 22:25 <osmantis> Bug #8871:04 Objects are redrawn when camera changes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8871 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-01 22:46 <osmantis> Bug #8871:04 Objects are redrawn when camera changes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8871 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-01 22:56 <osmantis> Bug #8871:04 Objects are redrawn when camera changes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8871 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-01 23:18 <osmantis> Bug #8871:04 Objects are redrawn when camera changes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8871 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-11 23:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #7538 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-03-11 23:56 <Ubit> ofc
2021-03-11 23:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7538: FAILURE in 2 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7538/
2021-03-11 23:57 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: reduce a jobengine thread hold time; not using packet pool on receive;
2021-03-11 23:57 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: vs2017 debug seems to get very confused with our script class called Timer (run runprebuild)
2021-03-12 00:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #7539 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7537 10 days ago)
2021-03-12 00:05 <Ubit> well that was also adding a file 
2021-03-12 00:05 <Ubit> rename actually
2021-03-12 00:06 <Ubit> no idea why vs debug went totally crazy with that file now
2021-03-12 00:06 <Tampa> msbuild has no issues with it it seems
2021-03-12 00:06 <Ubit> it was fine
2021-03-12 00:07 <Ubit> but vs debug totally crazy on it
2021-03-12 00:07 <Tampa> I blame MS lol
2021-03-12 00:07 <Ubit> triggering breakpoints there on lines that are coments
2021-03-12 00:07 <Ubit> and telling we where on the .net Timer source
2021-03-12 00:09 <Ubit> (one of those.. )
2021-03-12 00:09 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2021-03-12 00:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7539: FIXED in 4 min 35 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7539/
2021-03-12 00:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: minor cleanup
2021-03-12 00:10 <Tampa> wait it chokes on comments?
2021-03-12 00:11 <Tampa> I read something about that not long ago
2021-03-12 00:13 <Ubit> no
2021-03-12 00:14 <Ubit> totally mistakes the sourcefiles
2021-03-12 00:15 <Ubit> or did on that named Timer.cs on our scripts things
2021-03-12 00:15 <Ubit> odd thing
2021-03-12 00:16 <Ubit> well this was a kind of vodoo really :)
2021-03-12 00:16 <Tampa> Everything is voodoo to you lately ;P
2021-03-12 00:17 <Tampa> You sure you know C#?
2021-03-12 00:17 <Tampa> Is a programming language you know ;P
2021-03-12 00:17 <Ubit> not really 
2021-03-12 00:17 <Ubit> :p
2021-03-12 00:17 <Ubit> Ohh so you think...
2021-03-12 00:17 <Ubit> lots of vodoo on those things..
2021-03-12 00:17 <Tampa> I don't know what you know you know, but who knows really
2021-03-12 00:44 <Ubit> sextion??
2021-03-12 00:44 <Ubit> LOL
2021-03-12 00:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #7540 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2021-03-12 00:44 <Tampa> Ubit is lonely it seems
2021-03-12 00:44 <Tampa> Mind and eyes on the code and cat
2021-03-12 00:45 <Ubit> duhh c is just the next key :p
2021-03-12 00:45 <Tampa> yeah yeah tight ;P
2021-03-12 00:46 <Tampa> right I mean
2021-03-12 00:46 <Ubit> :)
2021-03-12 00:46 <Ubit> in yr case left :p
2021-03-12 00:47 <Tampa> you callin me a commie
2021-03-12 00:47 <Tampa> lol
2021-03-12 00:47 <Ubit> :)
2021-03-12 00:48 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7540: SUCCESS in 5 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7540/
2021-03-12 00:48 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: duplicate configuration entries on sextion XEngine that are also valid for YEngine since are not even engine related, and should be on own section, one day
2021-03-12 15:36 <osmantis> Bug #8877:04 Teleport Failed. Unable to verify User. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8877 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-03-12 15:45 <osmantis> Bug #8877:04 Teleport Failed. Unable to verify User. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8877 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-12 15:47 <osmantis> Bug #8877:04 Teleport Failed. Unable to verify User. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8877 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-12 16:11 <osmantis> Bug #8877:04 Teleport Failed. Unable to verify User. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8877 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-12 16:14 <osmantis> Bug #8877:04 Teleport Failed. Unable to verify User. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8877 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-12 16:19 <osmantis> Bug #8877:04 Teleport Failed. Unable to verify User. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8877 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-12 16:32 <osmantis> Bug #8877:04 Teleport Failed. Unable to verify User. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8877 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-12 17:46 <osmantis> Bug #8871:04 Objects are redrawn when camera changes 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8871 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-12 21:22 <osmantis> Bug #8878:04 Might as well fix some minor issues too like wrong ini entries 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8878 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-03-12 22:05 <osmantis> Bug #8878:04 Might as well fix some minor issues too like wrong ini entries 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8878 ): has been RESOLVED.
2021-03-13 09:29 <osmantis> Bug #8879:04 RemoteAdmin:admin save oar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8879 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-03-13 15:46 <osmantis> Bug #8879:04 RemoteAdmin:admin save oar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8879 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-13 17:03 <osmantis> Bug #8879:04 RemoteAdmin:admin save oar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8879 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-13 17:13 <osmantis> Bug #8879:04 RemoteAdmin:admin save oar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8879 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-13 18:21 <osmantis> Bug #8879:04 RemoteAdmin:admin save oar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8879 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-13 19:02 <osmantis> Bug #8879:04 RemoteAdmin:admin save oar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8879 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-13 20:22 <osjenkins> Starting build #7541 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-03-13 20:22 <osmantis> Bug #8879:04 RemoteAdmin:admin save oar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8879 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-13 20:26 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7541: SUCCESS in 5 min 36 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7541/
2021-03-13 20:26 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix mantis 8879
2021-03-13 20:53 <osmantis> Bug #8879:04 RemoteAdmin:admin save oar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8879 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-13 21:08 <osmantis> Bug #8879:04 RemoteAdmin:admin save oar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8879 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-13 21:18 <osmantis> Bug #8879:04 RemoteAdmin:admin save oar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8879 ): has been UPDATED.
2021-03-13 21:38 <osmantis> Bug #8879:04 RemoteAdmin:admin save oar 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8879 ): has been RESOLVED.
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2021-03-14 10:22 <osmantis> Bug #8873:04 Viewer stops receiving updates from sim at random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-14 17:33 <osmantis> Bug #8873:04 Viewer stops receiving updates from sim at random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-14 23:31 <osmantis> Bug #8873:04 Viewer stops receiving updates from sim at random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-15 05:04 <osmantis> Bug #8873:04 Viewer stops receiving updates from sim at random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-15 10:29 <osmantis> Bug #8881:04 llHttpRequest custom header for Authorization gives script error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8881 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-03-15 11:49 <osmantis> Bug #8881:04 llHttpRequest custom header for Authorization gives script error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8881 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-15 12:03 <osmantis> Bug #8881:04 llHttpRequest custom header for Authorization gives script error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8881 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-15 13:12 <osmantis> Bug #8881:04 llHttpRequest custom header for Authorization gives script error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8881 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-15 13:52 <osmantis> Bug #8881:04 llHttpRequest custom header for Authorization gives script error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8881 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-15 15:01 <osmantis> Bug #8881:04 llHttpRequest custom header for Authorization gives script error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8881 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-15 15:11 <osmantis> Bug #8866:04 missing examples 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8866 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-15 16:53 <osmantis> Bug #8881:04 llHttpRequest custom header for Authorization gives script error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8881 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-15 18:06 <osmantis> Bug #8881:04 llHttpRequest custom header for Authorization gives script error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8881 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-16 18:03 <Plugh> Time for the OS developer meeting in osgrid.
2021-03-16 18:03 <Plugh> The clocks moved ahead an hour this past weekend.
2021-03-16 19:30 <Ubit> ty
2021-03-16 21:39 <osmantis> Bug #8881:04 llHttpRequest custom header for Authorization gives script error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8881 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-16 21:41 <osmantis> Bug #8881:04 llHttpRequest custom header for Authorization gives script error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8881 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-16 21:52 <Tampa> Curiously you cannot work around this via try catch either
2021-03-16 21:52 <Tampa> aka it'll throw no matter what
2021-03-16 21:55 <Tampa> Weird, suppose has to do with how it is implemented I guess
2021-03-16 21:56 <Tampa> division by zero detection works fine
2021-03-17 18:16 <osmantis> Bug #8882:04 Sometimes joining groups in hypergrid returns a warning 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8882 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-03-17 22:30 <osmantis> Bug #8882:04 Sometimes joining groups in hypergrid returns a warning 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8882 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2021-03-18 08:50 <osjenkins> Starting build #7542 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-03-18 08:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7542: FAILURE in 4 min 40 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7542/
2021-03-18 08:53 <osjenkins> * orenh: Log HTTP requests that arrive for SimpleStreamHandler's
2021-03-18 08:53 <osjenkins> * orenh: HTTP Request Handlers: log the responses (previously we only logged the requests).
2021-03-18 08:53 <osjenkins> * orenh: Save a couple of estate settings in OAR files.
2021-03-18 08:53 <osjenkins> * orenh: osNpcLookAt() should only work on NPC's, not on regular users
2021-03-18 08:53 <osjenkins> * orenh: Added osNpcLookAt to ScriptSyntax.xml
2021-03-18 08:53 <osjenkins> * orenh: Added osReplaceRegionEnvironment to ScriptSyntax.xml
2021-03-18 08:53 <osjenkins> * orenh: When migrating Windlight region settings to EEP, store the EEP settings immediately.
2021-03-18 08:53 <osjenkins> * orenh: Renamed "Default Daycycle(3/1)" to "Default Daycycle (More Daylight)"
2021-03-18 08:53 <osjenkins> * orenh: Have the "Settings Library" folder use the same icon as the user's own "Settings" folder
2021-03-18 08:53 <osjenkins> * orenh: Renamed a couple of the Settings Library subfolders to "Skies" and "Days", to match the names used in Second Life
2021-03-18 08:53 <osjenkins> * orenh: Added cloud textures to the OpenSim Library
2021-03-18 08:53 <osjenkins> * orenh: Added "Default Water" item to the OpenSim library
2021-03-18 08:53 <osjenkins> * orenh: Added textures to the OpenSim library: Default Moon, Default Water Normal
2021-03-18 19:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #7543 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7541 4 days 23 hr ago)
2021-03-18 19:39 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2021-03-18 19:39 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7543: FIXED in 5 min 25 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7543/
2021-03-18 19:39 <osjenkins> orenh: Fixed unit tests for Load OAR
2021-03-19 06:10 <osmantis> Bug #8873:04 Viewer stops receiving updates from sim at random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-19 06:28 <osmantis> Bug #8873:04 Viewer stops receiving updates from sim at random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-19 06:29 <Tampa> So I set my home on a region, then moved that region away and replaced the spot with another region, when I now want to teleport home it tells me "you were sent to an invalid region" and logs me out
2021-03-19 06:29 <Tampa> That seems odd considering home position is stored by region uuid
2021-03-19 06:30 <Tampa> Is there some form of cache that fetches the regionhandle aka grid position from said uuid and stores that? I didn't see anything like that in code
2021-03-19 06:31 <Tampa> I nuked the griduser entry and set the home again, seemingly this helps, but I have not tried all regions yet so maybe some long running ones still have bad data in cache
2021-03-19 06:31 <Tampa> Just odd that this would fail so hard it logs you out
2021-03-19 06:32 <Tampa> People losing connections and teleport issues seem to somewhat go hand in hand lately, starting to worry there is something hiding in the code somewhere that the compiler messed up, wouldn't be the first time
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2021-03-19 14:19 <osmantis> Bug #8875:04 Errors when logging client into server with groups enabled. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8875 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-20 00:16 <osmantis> Bug #8873:04 Viewer stops receiving updates from sim at random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-20 01:26 <osmantis> Bug #8873:04 Viewer stops receiving updates from sim at random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-21 20:04 <osmantis> Bug #8873:04 Viewer stops receiving updates from sim at random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-03-21 20:07 <osmantis> Bug #8873:04 Viewer stops receiving updates from sim at random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8873 ): has been UPDATED.
2021-03-21 20:41 <osmantis> Bug #8866:04 missing examples 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8866 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2021-03-24 12:41 <Tampa> state SLEEP{
2021-03-24 12:41 <Tampa> state_entry(){llSetTimerEvent(180);}
2021-03-24 12:41 <Tampa> timer(){llSetTimerEvent(0);
2021-03-24 12:41 <Tampa> state RUN;}}
2021-03-24 12:42 <Tampa> I just found this in a script
2021-03-24 12:42 <Tampa> I am at loss for words
2021-03-24 12:45 <djphil> To put in your personal collection :)
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2021-04-15 17:30 <osjenkins> Starting build #7544 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2021-04-15 17:35 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7544: SUCCESS in 6 min 23 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7544/
2021-04-15 17:35 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: potencial issue on some http header packets
2021-04-15 17:35 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: make invalid llhttpRequest custom header a hard error
2021-04-15 17:35 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix typos
2021-04-15 17:35 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: add a log message on send parcel data
2021-04-15 17:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #7545 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-04-15 18:00 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7545: SUCCESS in 4 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7545/
2021-04-15 18:00 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add a another log message on parcel change
2021-04-15 18:56 <osjenkins> Starting build #7546 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-04-15 19:01 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7546: SUCCESS in 5 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7546/
2021-04-15 19:01 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8887: fix timing issue
2021-04-15 19:01 <osmantis> Bug #8887:04 Nearby avatars invisible after relog on same parcel location 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8887 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-04-15 19:16 <osmantis> Bug #8873:04 Viewer stops receiving updates from sim at random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2021-04-20 18:03 <Plugh> Meeting time in osgrid.
2021-04-20 18:06 <Ubit> gess again?
2021-04-21 13:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #7547 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-04-21 13:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7547: SUCCESS in 5 min 54 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7547/
2021-04-21 13:14 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change script touchs linknumber handling
2021-04-21 13:14 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: change scripts timers, etc check rate to 50ms
2021-04-21 13:14 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: mantis 8881: change llHTTPRequest allowed headers control
2021-04-21 13:16 <osjenkins> Starting build #7548 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-04-21 13:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7548: SUCCESS in 4 min 53 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7548/
2021-04-21 13:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: actually change scripts timers, to the ini setting AsyncLLCommandLoopms ( default 100, 50 a more reasonable value that just eats a bit more cpu looping around
2021-04-21 14:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #7549 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-04-21 14:54 <djphil> New OSSL Wiki page ready http://opensimulator.org/index.php?title=OsAvatarType&action=edit&redlink=1 :)
2021-04-21 14:54 <Ubit> empty duu
2021-04-21 14:54 <Ubit> :)
2021-04-21 14:55 <djphil> Requiere Pro User :p
2021-04-21 14:55 <djphil> That detect if a avatar is a teal avi or a npc ?
2021-04-21 14:55 <djphil> real*
2021-04-21 14:56 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7549: SUCCESS in 4 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7549/
2021-04-21 14:56 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add LSL_Integer osAvatarType(LSL_Key avkey)
2021-04-21 14:56 <djphil> (I still have to make the modifications for the new particles, I haven't forgotten but I have little time at the moment) ;-)
2021-04-21 15:04 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsAvatarType
2021-04-21 15:04 <Ubit> well it is a minor helper
2021-04-21 15:06 <djphil> < 0 is only -1 or -2 , -3, ... -20 etc ...
2021-04-21 15:08 <Ubit> ?
2021-04-21 15:09 <djphil> On the wiki, you say "< 0 in case of error"
2021-04-21 15:09 <Ubit> yes and ?
2021-04-21 15:09 <Ubit> < 0 is just that
2021-04-21 15:09 <djphil> Does <0 mean only value -1 or also value -2, or -3 or -20 etc ...
2021-04-21 15:10 <Ubit> ofc 
2021-04-21 15:10 <Ubit> means anything < 0
2021-04-21 15:10 <Ubit> ( in fact only -1 in use.. but details
2021-04-21 15:11 <djphil> then -1 =?
2021-04-21 15:11 <djphil> or -2 =?
2021-04-21 15:11 <djphil> no details on these values?
2021-04-21 15:11 <djphil> General precision only for <0
2021-04-21 15:11 <Ubit> there is only one
2021-04-21 15:11 <Ubit> why bother
2021-04-21 15:11 <djphil> it return only -1 ?
2021-04-21 15:12 <Ubit> currently yes
2021-04-21 15:12 <djphil> lol i likne when you say 'curently' :p
2021-04-21 15:12 <djphil> like*
2021-04-21 15:12 <djphil> 
ACTION Ubit don't take any risk

2021-04-21 15:13 <Ubit> :)
2021-04-21 15:26 <osjenkins> Starting build #7550 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-04-21 15:27 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7550: FAILURE in 1 min 22 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7550/
2021-04-21 15:27 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add LSL_Integer osAvatarType(string firts, string last)
2021-04-21 15:29 <Ubit> oops
2021-04-21 15:29 <osjenkins> Starting build #7551 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7549 37 min ago)
2021-04-21 15:33 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2021-04-21 15:33 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7551: FIXED in 4 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7551/
2021-04-21 15:33 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missing file
2021-04-21 15:35 <BillBlight> How is osAvatarType really any different than http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsIsNpc
2021-04-21 15:36 <Ubit> says something when it is not a npc
2021-04-21 15:36 <Ubit> so it is also a avatar presence check
2021-04-21 15:37 <Ubit> right?
2021-04-21 15:37 <Ubit> integer osIsNpc(key npc)
2021-04-21 15:37 <Ubit> Returns NPC status on the provided key
2021-04-21 15:37 <Ubit> Returns TRUE (1) / FALSE (0) if key provided is an NPC
2021-04-21 15:37 <Ubit> Returns FALSE (0) if the key provided doesn't exist in the scene.
2021-04-21 15:37 <Ubit> that is.. only true if npc
2021-04-21 15:38 <BillBlight> ok cool
2021-04-21 15:38 <Ubit> well just a helper
2021-04-21 15:38 <Ubit> well now 2 flavors :)
2021-04-21 15:38 <Ubit> hmm the script syntaxe does not like 
2021-04-21 15:38 <Ubit> integer osAvatarType(key avatarKey)
2021-04-21 15:38 <Ubit> integer osAvatarType(string avatarFirstName, string avatarLastName)
2021-04-21 15:39 <Ubit> but not going to add more function names, when it works fine like this
2021-04-21 15:40 <Ubit> ( did similar with other funcs )
2021-04-21 19:27 <Tampa> pragma warning disable IDE1006 rofl
2021-04-21 19:28 <Tampa> Getting picky over naming schemes now too huh
2021-04-21 19:28 <Ubit> the os* and ll*
2021-04-21 19:29 <Tampa> Yeah figured
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2021-04-21 23:41 <osmantis> Bug #8520:04 Script events counter in Statistics is always zero when running YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8520 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-04-21 23:41 <osjenkins> Starting build #7552 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2021-04-21 23:43 <osmantis> Bug #8881:04 llHttpRequest custom header for Authorization gives script error 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8881 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-04-21 23:46 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7552: SUCCESS in 5 min 2 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7552/
2021-04-21 23:46 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8520: make YEngine tick script events per second stat
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2021-04-22 12:34 <osjenkins> Starting build #7553 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-04-22 12:38 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7553: SUCCESS in 5 min 44 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7553/
2021-04-22 12:39 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: scripts line per second is no longer used and was wrong
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2021-04-23 12:14 <osmantis> Bug #8520:04 Script events counter in Statistics is always zero when running YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8520 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-04-23 12:27 <osmantis> Bug #8520:04 Script events counter in Statistics is always zero when running YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8520 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-04-23 12:36 <osmantis> Bug #8520:04 Script events counter in Statistics is always zero when running YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8520 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-04-23 13:18 <osmantis> Bug #8520:04 Script events counter in Statistics is always zero when running YEngine 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8520 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2021-04-27 19:03 <Ubit> opos just me or the region?
2021-04-27 19:03 <Ubit> :)
2021-04-27 19:04 <Ubit> yeach.. seems region
2021-04-27 19:04 <Ubit> ?
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2021-05-01 10:19 <osmantis> Bug #8888:04 Repeated calls of osSetDynamicTextureData() generate a [SRestObjectRequest] MethodNotAllowed WARN/error on server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8888 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-05-01 10:40 <osmantis> Bug #8888:04 Repeated calls of osSetDynamicTextureData() generate a [SRestObjectRequest] MethodNotAllowed WARN/error on server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8888 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-05-01 11:11 <osmantis> Bug #8888:04 Repeated calls of osSetDynamicTextureData() generate a [SRestObjectRequest] MethodNotAllowed WARN/error on server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8888 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-05-01 11:13 <osmantis> Bug #8888:04 Repeated calls of osSetDynamicTextureData() generate a [SRestObjectRequest] MethodNotAllowed WARN/error on server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8888 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-05-01 11:22 <osmantis> Bug #8888:04 Repeated calls of osSetDynamicTextureData() generate a [SRestObjectRequest] MethodNotAllowed WARN/error on server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8888 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-05-01 11:28 <osmantis> Bug #8888:04 Repeated calls of osSetDynamicTextureData() generate a [SRestObjectRequest] MethodNotAllowed WARN/error on server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8888 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-05-01 12:11 <osmantis> Bug #8888:04 Repeated calls of osSetDynamicTextureData() generate a [SRestObjectRequest] MethodNotAllowed WARN/error on server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8888 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-05-01 12:42 <osmantis> Bug #8888:04 Repeated calls of osSetDynamicTextureData() generate a [SRestObjectRequest] MethodNotAllowed WARN/error on server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8888 ): has been RESOLVED.
2021-05-01 14:32 <osmantis> Bug #8888:04 Repeated calls of osSetDynamicTextureData() generate a [SRestObjectRequest] MethodNotAllowed WARN/error on server 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8888 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-05-01 15:44 <piusnoel> ty :)
2021-05-02 16:47 <osmantis> Bug #8889:04 crash (don't know why) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8889 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-05-02 19:53 <Tampa> It looks like it is failing to decode the xml return from an inventory call or something?
2021-05-02 19:54 <Tampa> ParseDocumentContent
2021-05-02 19:55 <Tampa> Ubit is that a universal function or invtype specific you know?
2021-05-02 19:55 <Ubit> no longer in use there
2021-05-02 19:57 <Tampa> Ah hm yeah does show 9.1 as version
2021-05-02 19:59 <osmantis> Bug #8889:04 crash (don't know why) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8889 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-05-02 20:01 <Tampa> Like chasing rabbits in an open field
2021-05-02 20:02 <Ubit> and that parse is internal to .net xml things
2021-05-02 20:03 <Ubit> System.Xml.XmlTextReaderImpl.ParseDocumentContent()
2021-05-02 20:03 <Ubit> xmltexreader 
2021-05-02 20:03 <Ubit> guess that is a bad viewer request
2021-05-02 20:04 <Tampa> In any case not enough info to fix
2021-05-02 20:05 <Tampa> Steps to reproduce would help
2021-05-02 20:05 <Ubit> guess you need that user :)
2021-05-02 20:06 <Ubit> but as you said, obsolete code
2021-05-02 20:06 <Tampa> Inventory related crashes I have not seen in a long time
2021-05-02 20:06 <Ubit> i don't even deserielize like it did
2021-05-02 20:07 <Ubit> i changed to the libomv osd one
2021-05-02 20:07 <Ubit> not the opensim LLSD.. 
2021-05-02 20:07 <Tampa> Last inventory crash I saw was years ago trying Kirsten viewer which was then outdated over two years
2021-05-02 20:08 <Ubit> not sure why it was added since redudant with the libomv one
2021-05-02 20:08 <Ubit> well legacy reasons..
2021-05-02 20:08 <Ubit> since i moved to our own fork of libomv, no reason to keep duplication
2021-05-02 20:09 <Ubit> ( but slow change.. llsd still in use.. )
2021-05-02 20:09 <Tampa> Don't you go changing asset types again ;P
2021-05-02 20:10 <Ubit> i didn't. it was a flag
2021-05-02 20:10 <Tampa> hehe
2021-05-02 20:10 <Ubit> bad defined.. so stuck.. we can't had anymore
2021-05-02 20:10 <Ubit> issue why how -net xml encoded enums..
2021-05-02 20:11 <Ubit> the away ti dows asset flags defines can't be changed 
2021-05-02 20:11 <Ubit> ..it does..
2021-05-02 20:19 <Tampa> Meanwhile if you send xml as instant message from grid services the viewer shows it as notification rather than instant message which is hilarious
2021-05-02 20:20 <Tampa> I'm having way too much fun poking around with xmlrpc
2021-05-02 20:41 <osmantis> Bug #8889:04 crash (don't know why) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8889 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2021-05-03 06:25 <osmantis> Bug #8889:04 crash (don't know why) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8889 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-05-03 09:06 <piusnoel> what is opensim-nunit.db? garbage commited by accident? It's contained in OpenSim-LastAutoBuild.zip.
2021-05-03 09:07 <undvrainbowvita8> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJe-YWLJXj4&list=UUjAij4NWCod80d70enm3tRw&index=2 Atomic ULTRA DETAILED Photo mode 4k in-game realtime. English VO
2021-05-03 09:48 <Tampa> @piusnoel part of the automated build system is testing the binary for basic functionality which is done via nunit so those are remnants of those tests
2021-05-04 19:44 <osjenkins> Starting build #7554 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-05-04 19:45 <Ubit> oops
2021-05-04 19:46 <Ubit> but on the comment lol
2021-05-04 19:46 <Ubit> bug
2021-05-04 19:46 <Ubit> add STATS_SCRIPT_LPS ( what..  is add STATS_SIM_SLEEP
2021-05-04 19:49 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7554: SUCCESS in 5 min 14 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7554/
2021-05-04 19:49 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: let osGetRegionStats return a list with all the avaiable values (43 currently)
2021-05-04 19:49 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix STATS_SCRIPT_LPS (obsolete), add STATS_SCRIPT_LPS ( what LPS did actually return) and STATS_SCRIPT_EPS to the list of some indexes to the list returned by osGetRegionStats
2021-05-04 20:02 <osjenkins> Starting build #7555 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-05-04 20:08 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7555: SUCCESS in 5 min 16 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7555/
2021-05-04 20:08 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: add STATS_SCRIPT_TIME constant. On last commit add ..LPS wasa typo, it was add STATS_SIM_SLEEP, the index to value LPS was pointing till now
2021-05-04 20:08 <Tampa> Are those for the script profiler or?
2021-05-04 20:29 <Ubit> helpers for osGetRegionStats
2021-05-04 20:30 <Ubit> index values on the returned list
2021-05-04 22:58 <osjenkins> Starting build #7556 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-05-04 23:02 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7556: SUCCESS in 5 min 30 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7556/
2021-05-04 23:02 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix a typo
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2021-05-05 09:14 <cnayl> So I know it's probably a 'how long is a piece of string' question, but are there any timelines for when 0.9.2 will move from dev to release?
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2021-05-07 08:32 <osmantis> Bug #8873:04 Viewer stops receiving updates from sim at random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-05-07 08:43 <osmantis> Bug #8695:04 Animation states randomly get stuck until relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8695 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-05-11 18:02 <Ubit> psttt meeting at dev outreach? ( meow Meow mEow )
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2021-05-28 23:10 <osjenkins> Starting build #7557 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-05-28 23:15 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7557: SUCCESS in 6 min 28 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7557/
2021-05-28 23:15 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix script events on crossings in same instance. MemberWiseClone on part.clone is bad
2021-05-28 23:15 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: small change on lsl lists DeleteSublist()
2021-05-29 01:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #7558 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-05-29 01:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7558: SUCCESS in 4 min 47 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7558/
2021-05-29 01:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix llDeleteSubList() in the case start > end, so it is as spec ie keeps [end + 1, start - 1]. This may break some scripts made for previus broken way ie removed that range. Case start <= end should be as before, just a bit faster (after previus commit)
2021-05-29 08:52 <osmantis> Bug #8873:04 Viewer stops receiving updates from sim at random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-05-29 09:05 <osmantis> Bug #8893:04 Mesh attachments do not render for a long time upon login 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8893 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-05-29 09:06 <osmantis> Bug #8893:04 Mesh attachments do not render for a long time upon login 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8893 ): has been UPDATED.
2021-05-29 09:08 <osmantis> Bug #8894:04 Network/HTTP operations delay every ~500 ms for ~500 ms 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8894 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-05-29 09:09 <osmantis> Bug #8894:04 Network/HTTP operations delay every appx 500 ms for appx 500 ms 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8894 ): has been UPDATED.
2021-05-29 09:12 <osmantis> Bug #8695:04 Animation states randomly get stuck until relog 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8695 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-05-29 09:21 <osmantis> Bug #8873:04 Viewer stops receiving updates from sim at random 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8873 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-05-29 14:09 <osjenkins> Starting build #7559 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-05-29 14:14 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7559: SUCCESS in 6 min 0 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7559/
2021-05-29 14:14 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8890: waste CPU checking if asset id == Zero on get; several changes on region Asset connector
2021-05-29 14:39 <osjenkins> Starting build #7560 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-05-29 14:43 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7560: SUCCESS in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7560/
2021-05-29 14:43 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
2021-05-29 15:06 <osmantis> Bug #8894:04 Network/HTTP operations delay every appx 500 ms for appx 500 ms 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8894 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-05-29 21:31 <osmantis> Bug #8894:04 Network/HTTP operations delay every appx 500 ms for appx 500 ms 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8894 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-05-29 21:40 <osmantis> Bug #8894:04 Network/HTTP operations delay every appx 500 ms for appx 500 ms 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8894 ): has been UPDATED.
2021-05-29 21:41 <osmantis> Bug #8894:04 Network/HTTP operations delay every appx 500 ms for appx 500 ms 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8894 ): has been UPDATED.
2021-05-29 21:43 <osmantis> Bug #8894:04 Network/HTTP operations delay every appx 500 ms for appx 500 ms 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8894 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-05-29 22:19 <osjenkins> Starting build #7561 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-05-29 22:24 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7561: SUCCESS in 4 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7561/
2021-05-29 22:24 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: set Expect100Continue false again
2021-05-29 22:24 <osmantis> Bug #8894:04 Network/HTTP operations delay every appx 500 ms for appx 500 ms 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8894 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-05-30 01:29 <osmantis> Bug #8894:04 Network/HTTP operations delay every appx 500 ms for appx 500 ms 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8894 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-05-30 01:30 <osmantis> Bug #8894:04 Network/HTTP operations delay every appx 500 ms for appx 500 ms 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8894 ): has been RESOLVED.
2021-05-30 04:01 <osmantis> Bug #8895:04 prebuild shows Match path does not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8895 ): Der folgende Eintrag wurde erfasst.
2021-05-30 04:06 <osmantis> Bug #8895:04 prebuild shows Match path does not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8895 ): Der folgende Eintrag wurde aktualisiert.
2021-05-30 04:20 <osmantis> Bug #8889:04 crash (don't know why) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8889 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-05-30 11:28 <osmantis> Bug #8889:04 crash (don't know why) 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8889 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-05-30 15:18 <osmantis> Bug #8895:04 prebuild shows Match path does not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8895 ): Der folgende Eintrag wurde aktualisiert.
2021-05-31 00:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #7562 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-05-31 00:42 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7562: FAILURE in 2 min 56 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7562/
2021-05-31 00:42 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: some changes to llListSort()
2021-05-31 00:46 <osjenkins> Starting build #7563 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #7561 1 day 2 hr ago)
2021-05-31 00:51 <osjenkins> Yippie, build fixed!
2021-05-31 00:51 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7563: FIXED in 4 min 40 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7563/
2021-05-31 00:51 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: missed a file
2021-05-31 02:26 <osmantis> Bug #8895:04 prebuild shows Match path does not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8895 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2021-05-31 02:27 <osmantis> Bug #8895:04 prebuild shows Match path does not exist 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8895 ): Der folgende Eintrag wurde erledigt.
2021-05-31 03:11 <JeffKelley> which Sandbox Plaza is X and which is Y ? (osGetScriptEngineName not allowed)
2021-05-31 08:22 <piusnoel> JeffKelley Sandbox Plaza III  (ubODE + YEngine) 
2021-05-31 08:52 <piusnoel> btw, I'm using an object with a script that contains yoptions; in its first line to check whether y is supported or not.
2021-05-31 14:07 <JeffKelley> we are decommissioning the OpenSIM service by the end of 2021 https://opensim.vivox.com/opensim/
2021-05-31 14:13 <osjenkins> Starting build #7564 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: FIXED)
2021-05-31 14:18 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7564: SUCCESS in 5 min 32 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7564/
2021-05-31 14:18 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few more changes to lsl list
2021-05-31 15:36 <osjenkins> Starting build #7565 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-05-31 15:40 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7565: SUCCESS in 4 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7565/
2021-05-31 15:40 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few more changes to lsl list
2021-05-31 17:12 <osjenkins> Starting build #7566 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-05-31 17:17 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7566: SUCCESS in 4 min 13 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7566/
2021-05-31 17:17 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: a few more changes to lsl list; add osListSortInPlace(LSL_List src, LSL_Integer stride, LSL_Integer ascending), does the sort directly on src, avoiding creation on a new list when that is not needed
2021-05-31 17:17 <osjenkins> Starting build #7567 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-05-31 17:21 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7567: SUCCESS in 4 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7567/
2021-05-31 17:21 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: anf ofc i forgot a file
2021-06-01 17:49 <Ubit> dev outreach seems down
2021-06-01 17:50 <Ubit> hmm or not taking tps
2021-06-01 17:52 <Ubit> well hurliman is up
2021-06-01 18:07 <Plugh> Here is Bill. He can tell us if Dev Outreach is up or not.
2021-06-01 18:10 <Ubit> yes sure he will, when he returns from afk :)
2021-06-01 18:15 <BillBlight> yeah it will be back up
2021-06-01 18:16 <BillBlight> I've been out of commission for a bit, and the firewall decided to block the ports as an attack
2021-06-01 18:16 <Ubit> ty
2021-06-01 18:16 <Ubit> we are at hurlman now
2021-06-01 18:18 <BillBlight> hmm I think iptables has gone braindead, may have to reboot the box
2021-06-01 18:20 <BillBlight> ahh yes, kernel update, seems to have caused netfilter to blow up, rebooting
2021-06-01 18:20 <Ubit> oh?
2021-06-01 18:21 <Ubit> fun fun :)
2021-06-01 18:21 <BillBlight> reboot should fix it ... once the new kernel is loaded
2021-06-01 18:21 <Ubit> lets hope :)
2021-06-01 18:21 <BillBlight> if not I'll walk to the other room and put my foot in its ass
2021-06-01 18:27 <BillBlight> back up now
2021-06-01 18:27 <Ubit> tanks
2021-06-01 18:27 <Ubit> and thanks
2021-06-01 18:27 <Ubit> we are now at hurlman
2021-06-01 18:28 <BillBlight> kk
2021-06-01 18:28 <Ubit> no point on tp now.. :)
2021-06-01 18:31 <BillBlight> I may do a distro upgrade on that box later this week, 18.04 seems ancient as far as kernel updates go
2021-06-01 18:31 <Ubit> oh? is it?
2021-06-01 18:32 <Ubit> like one month old?
2021-06-01 18:32 <Ubit> ;)
2021-06-01 18:32 <BillBlight> Just updated to Kernel 5.6.17 ... My other servers run on 5.11
2021-06-01 18:32 <BillBlight> may update to Ubuntu 21.04
2021-06-01 18:32 <Tampa> Someone poke Andrew to put the minutes on the wiki, the entries are missing from the category :)
2021-06-01 18:33 <Ubit> what entries ?
2021-06-01 18:34 <Tampa> meeting chat log
2021-06-01 18:35 <Tampa> the pages exist, but aren't listed on the page that lists the previous ones
2021-06-01 18:35 <Tampa> Last entry there is 2020
2021-06-01 18:35 <BillBlight> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours
2021-06-01 18:36 <Ubit> yeah looks ok 
2021-06-01 18:36 <Tampa> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Category:Office_Hour_Logs
2021-06-01 18:37 <Plugh> Tampa, I have occasionally messed up and missed posting a log but I'm pretty sure I did post last weeks.
2021-06-01 18:38 <Ubit> guess that is other page with the logs
2021-06-01 18:39 <Tampa> They are all there, just not listed in that category that's all
2021-06-01 18:40 <Tampa> I normally manually type the dates in anyways, but I clicked back and saw they were not there
2021-06-01 18:40 <Tampa> Guess it's fine if they are on the other page at least
2021-06-01 18:40 <Plugh> Tampa, which category?
2021-06-01 18:40 <Tampa> Office_Hour_Logs
2021-06-01 18:41 <Tampa> The pages are just not assigned to that hence aren't listen that's all
2021-06-01 18:42 <Plugh> Tampa, I don't know how that index is generated. I would think it is automatic. Perhaps something is broken in the wiki system.
2021-06-01 18:42 <Tampa> I think you need to assign the page to that category, not sure how I don't have a wiki account
2021-06-01 18:46 <Plugh> I'll see if there is something about assigning a category the next time I post a log. 
2021-06-01 18:49 <Tampa> phil might know how to do it :)
2021-06-01 18:54 <osmantis> Bug #8896:04 llSetText disrupts a looped sound 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8896 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-06-01 19:02 <Tampa> wow okay that's really odd
2021-06-01 19:03 <Tampa> It plays a sound when you recompile the script
2021-06-01 19:03 <Tampa> When you delete it too
2021-06-01 19:03 <Tampa> There is something stuck in the sound system
2021-06-01 19:05 <JeffKelley> what is really, really odd is the settext/sound interaction
2021-06-01 19:07 <Tampa> Something in trigger sounds breaks the loop and gets then... triggered every time a change is made
2021-06-01 19:11 <Tampa> You can kinda "fix" it by adding the loop into the set text
2021-06-01 19:14 <JeffKelley> it's a valid work-around
2021-06-01 19:16 <Tampa> with a switch statement that thing breaks entirely
2021-06-01 19:17 <Tampa> running the wrong path
2021-06-01 19:17 <Tampa> wut the heck
2021-06-01 19:17 <Ubit> loop is viewer side
2021-06-01 19:17 <Ubit> that sounds like a viewer issue
2021-06-01 19:19 <Tampa> So switch (message) and case "l": and it does both l and p
2021-06-01 19:20 <Ubit> did u add break?
2021-06-01 19:22 <Tampa> I did not no, that might be that, but then why does it not run the loop sound at least once when it runs the trigger sound once
2021-06-01 19:22 <Tampa> Or is trigger fire and forget?
2021-06-01 19:22 <Tampa> oh
2021-06-01 19:22 <Ubit> ??
2021-06-01 19:22 <JeffKelley> ??
2021-06-01 19:22 <Tampa> Nvm
2021-06-01 19:22 <Ubit> swich cases do fall into next
2021-06-01 19:23 <Ubit> if there is no break
2021-06-01 19:23 <Tampa> yes yes, no I thought maybe it is something with the if statements, but no
2021-06-01 19:23 <Tampa> if else and switch behave the same
2021-06-01 19:23 <Tampa> So not that part must be something with sound system directly
2021-06-01 19:24 <Ubit> no idea only seen the mantis
2021-06-01 19:24 <Ubit> just that does look like a viewer side issue
2021-06-01 19:24 <Tampa> It's weird if I recompile the script, change it to be physical it triggers the loop as well
2021-06-01 19:24 <Tampa> Each time I "change" the prim the loop runs once
2021-06-01 19:24 <Ubit> what loop?
2021-06-01 19:24 <Tampa> As if the viewer no longer "updates" it
2021-06-01 19:24 <JeffKelley> 'cause looped souns is a prim property, i think
2021-06-01 19:24 <Tampa> The loopsound
2021-06-01 19:25 <Ubit> yeah viewer side thing i guess
2021-06-01 19:25 <Ubit> the loop sound is a prop as jeff said
2021-06-01 19:25 <Ubit> i sure if (message == "t") llSetText ( (string)llGetTime( ), <0,1,0>, 1.0);  does not touch on any prim sound setting
2021-06-01 19:25 <Ubit> but may send a full prim update
2021-06-01 19:26 <Ubit> and that may tell the viewer to reset the loop sound
2021-06-01 19:26 <Tampa> Maybe it overwrites a bit that tells the viewer the sound is meant to loop?
2021-06-01 19:26 <Ubit> dunno
2021-06-01 19:26 <Ubit> will jsut check that at sl :p
2021-06-01 19:27 <Tampa> Maybe calling the trigger sound switches that to a "trigger" bit rather than loop so now it only does it on "trigger"
2021-06-01 19:28 <Tampa> Yeah JeffKelley if possible test at SL
2021-06-01 19:28 <Tampa> Wonder if the LSL wiki says anything on loop and trigger sound if there are caveats there perhaps
2021-06-01 19:43 <Tampa> oh boy the loopsound is a really poor design comments in there even acknowledge that
2021-06-01 19:44 <Tampa> That's not very solid to getting the sounds to behave predictably
2021-06-01 19:44 <Tampa> But as suspected the sound information contains flags that might break
2021-06-01 19:45 <Tampa> trigger and loop both set one for the type of sound so it might be possible the viewer applies them wrong
2021-06-01 19:46 <Tampa> someone just hopped on the region and it played a sound again...
2021-06-01 19:46 <Tampa> loop sound calls for regular updates each change so that's why it triggers each time the prim changes or someone loads in
2021-06-01 19:47 <Ubit> ohh can't repo
2021-06-01 19:47 <Ubit> t has no impact on the sound
2021-06-01 19:48 <Tampa> Did you use p first
2021-06-01 19:48 <Tampa> First l then p then t
2021-06-01 19:49 <Ubit> no impact
2021-06-01 19:50 <Tampa> I have no problem reproducing it on master, weird
2021-06-01 19:50 <Ubit> what viewer ?
2021-06-01 19:50 <Tampa> LoopSound has byte iflags = 1; // looping and Trigger has part.SoundFlags = 0; maybe those collide
2021-06-01 19:51 <Tampa> Firestorm, latest
2021-06-01 19:51 <Ubit> dunno
2021-06-01 19:52 <Ubit> hmm lpt seems to stop the sound ages later
2021-06-01 19:52 <JeffKelley> lpt ?
2021-06-01 19:53 <Ubit> the comands l p t
2021-06-01 19:53 <Ubit> on that script
2021-06-01 19:54 <Ubit> does not at sl
2021-06-01 19:54 <Ubit> bahh
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2021-06-01 19:55 <Tampa> Reading through SoundModule... this is odd
2021-06-01 19:55 <Tampa> It has no concept of "layering" the sounds over each other, but evidently has no issue doing so
2021-06-01 19:56 <Tampa> This might just be some bitflag issue yet again with the protocol not being fully understood when this was written
2021-06-01 19:57 <Ubit> yeah possible
2021-06-01 19:57 <Ubit> original sound was even worse ;)
2021-06-01 19:58 <Ubit> ill try do debug that.. one day
2021-06-01 20:02 <Tampa> My guess is instead of flags = 0 it should set bit 0 and leave bit 1 for looping intact? That doesn't make sense, but what does with this
2021-06-01 20:02 <Tampa> Trigger also in itself doesn't send the flags only loop seems to
2021-06-01 20:04 <Tampa> Okay so loop sends flags, then trigger comes along and resets the flag, all is well still, but then you run an "update" on the prim and oh no it sends all data again, but trigger just reset the flags to 0 so now the viewer gets those instead each time it then "updates" it sends that data again triggering the sound
2021-06-01 20:06 <Tampa> That's at least how I interpret the code that's there given what it is meant to do. It's there to make sure new users get the sound data, but that data is altered when you run trigger
2021-06-01 20:06 <JeffKelley> trust you :)
2021-06-01 20:07 <Tampa> Not sure that's a good idea lol
2021-06-01 20:09 <Tampa> removing the part on trigger that sets flags see what that does might be a start, not sure that constitutes a fix though
2021-06-01 20:09 <Tampa> Ideally it be aware of what's playing and more importantly how to play
2021-06-01 20:15 <osmantis> Bug #8896:04 llSetText disrupts a looped sound 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8896 ): has been CONFIRMED.
2021-06-01 20:19 <osmantis> Bug #8896:04 llSetText disrupts a looped sound 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8896 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-01 20:55 <osjenkins> Starting build #7568 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-06-01 20:56 <osmantis> Bug #8896:04 llSetText disrupts a looped sound 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8896 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-01 20:59 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7568: SUCCESS in 5 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7568/
2021-06-01 20:59 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: mantis 8896: triggersound does not stop loopsound
2021-06-01 21:05 <Tampa> That would have been my first try too, hopefully this doesn't break something else :/
2021-06-01 21:06 <JeffKelley> you got it; hope there is no side-effect
2021-06-01 21:06 <Ubit> :)
2021-06-01 21:07 <JeffKelley> i should copy my ScriptEngines folder to get me feet faster on master
2021-06-01 21:09 <Tampa> Does it take so long to compile them or?
2021-06-01 21:09 <Tampa> Just script states?
2021-06-01 21:10 <Tampa> Just make a folder outside the binary and symlink it :)
2021-06-01 21:10 <Tampa> Assuming it follows those, never tried that
2021-06-01 21:10 <JeffKelley> yep
2021-06-01 21:12 <JeffKelley> leaving to you to close the mantis when you think it's time
2021-06-01 21:12 <JeffKelley> and thanks
2021-06-01 21:12 <Ubit> nahh u close it if "happy"
2021-06-01 21:13 <JeffKelley> ok :)
2021-06-01 21:13 <Ubit> on top of other reasons, im lazy :p
2021-06-01 21:16 <Tampa> Well should ideally test if that change has adverse effects elsewhere breaking existing functionality of other functions and close it when it is confirmed to work as intended
2021-06-01 21:17 <Ubit> should not
2021-06-01 21:17 <Ubit> it was one line of code :)
2021-06-01 21:18 <Tampa> It should not, but better check now while already poking around in there :)
2021-06-01 21:45 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-06-01 22:05 <osjenkins> Starting build #7569 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-06-01 22:09 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7569: SUCCESS in 4 min 42 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7569/
2021-06-01 22:09 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: remove threat checks from osGetGridNick and osGetGridName
2021-06-01 22:36 <osmantis> Bug #8896:04 llSetText disrupts a looped sound 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8896 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-01 22:49 <osjenkins> Starting build #7570 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-06-01 22:53 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7570: SUCCESS in 4 min 15 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7570/
2021-06-01 22:53 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: cosmetics
2021-06-02 00:11 <osmantis> Bug #8865:04 add osNpcLookAt() function to make NPC movement more realistic 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8865 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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2021-06-02 00:41 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsListSortInPlace
2021-06-02 00:41 <Ubit> mks sense?
2021-06-02 01:11 <Plugh> Ubit, The one comment about that page is saying 1 or TRUE vs any other value. Usually it is 0 for FALSE and any other value for TRUE.
2021-06-02 01:11 <Ubit> yes
2021-06-02 01:11 <Ubit> but that is not what the ll one does
2021-06-02 01:11 <Ubit> so i kept it as SL
2021-06-02 01:12 <Plugh> Oh. :P  Once again the writer of the SL scripting engine seem to show they didn't really know what they were doing.
2021-06-02 01:12 <Ubit> yeah
2021-06-02 01:12 <Ubit> ofc no issue if using TRUE or FALSE
2021-06-02 01:14 <Plugh> all of some tipe -> all of some type
2021-06-02 01:14 <Ubit> and same :)
2021-06-02 01:17 <Plugh> oh. :)
2021-06-02 01:27 <Ubit> added other example
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2021-06-02 11:38 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-02 13:31 <osjenkins> Starting build #7571 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-06-02 13:36 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7571: SUCCESS in 5 min 39 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7571/
2021-06-02 13:36 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: cosmetics like change empty string compares
2021-06-02 13:36 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: lludp remove obsolete pending queue
2021-06-02 13:36 <osjenkins> * ajlduarte: fix AgentFOV gen
2021-06-02 15:12 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-02 15:15 <Tampa> Honestly which cave to these come out of
2021-06-02 16:04 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-02 16:09 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-02 17:32 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-02 18:03 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-02 18:32 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-02 18:33 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-02 18:44 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-02 18:48 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-02 18:51 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-02 19:00 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-02 20:11 <Tampa> He needs to get back on his medication holy &%$!#
2021-06-02 20:15 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-02 20:28 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-02 20:55 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-02 23:21 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-02 23:43 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-03 00:07 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-03 00:59 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-03 01:00 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-03 01:36 <Plugh> Tampa: The report is from a user who was at the Tuesday dev meeting. A report from them was expected.
2021-06-03 08:08 <Tampa> Did they behave in the same unhinged manner there too?
2021-06-03 08:52 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-03 08:52 <Tampa> Welcome to crazytown
2021-06-03 12:28 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-03 13:29 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-03 14:50 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-03 14:57 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-03 14:58 <Ubit> jezz
2021-06-03 14:58 <Ubit> what absurd
2021-06-03 14:59 <osmantis> Bug #8897:04 Inconsistent Object Model, not consistently workaroundable 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8897 ): has been CLOSED
2021-06-03 15:00 <JeffKelley> could not let this guy distort GDPR intentions, sorry
2021-06-03 15:00 <Ubit> GDPR for scripts really???
2021-06-03 15:01 <Ubit> jezz
2021-06-03 15:01 <Ubit> next NPC rights ?
2021-06-03 15:01 <Ubit> :P
2021-06-03 15:01 <JeffKelley> GDPR grid, know them ? go fill a form on the web before loging
2021-06-03 15:01 <Ubit> that about info seen by the avatars
2021-06-03 15:02 <Ubit> NOT their SCRIPTS
2021-06-03 15:02 <JeffKelley> don't let lawyers enter
2021-06-03 15:02 <Ubit> even some grids now make you agree to things on HG tps
2021-06-03 15:02 <Ubit> but that is other issue
2021-06-03 15:03 <JeffKelley> yep, that's what i'm speaking about
2021-06-03 15:03 <Ubit> believe on not, that mantis was ONLY about some ossl functions set to moderate
2021-06-03 15:03 <Ubit> threat level moderate
2021-06-03 15:03 <JeffKelley> and they are now
2021-06-03 15:03 <Ubit> just that
2021-06-03 15:04 <Ubit> yeah guy, like many, wanted them unrestricted
2021-06-03 15:04 <Ubit> under all that talk, that was his issue.. onl
2021-06-03 15:04 <JeffKelley> oh no, that was not about script. if that was, they should clos it. It was about ranting
2021-06-03 15:04 <Ubit> the mantis was abotu that ONLY
2021-06-03 15:05 <JeffKelley> if was : your project stinks, we know better
2021-06-03 15:05 <Ubit> it may stink..  but smell does not travel net.. still
2021-06-03 15:05 <Ubit> :p
2021-06-03 15:06 <JeffKelley> ... and the useless grid of JeffKelley
2021-06-03 15:06 <JeffKelley> sometimes, laughing is good
2021-06-03 15:06 <Ubit> well no idea what you are talking about now :p
2021-06-03 15:06 <JeffKelley> ok
2021-06-03 15:07 <Ubit> i made the (useless) gridname and nick, always available not
2021-06-03 15:07 <Ubit> rest will stay on region owner configurable threat level
2021-06-03 15:08 <Ubit> i say useless, because many grids and stanalones don't set it right
2021-06-03 15:08 <JeffKelley> the is some psychoticism is this mantis
2021-06-03 15:09 <Ubit> i know it was about the ossl, bc i told him to mantis it
2021-06-03 15:09 <Ubit> on last meeting
2021-06-03 15:09 <JeffKelley> seen that
2021-06-03 15:09 <Ubit> was not counting on all that speach :p
2021-06-03 15:12 <Ubit> and who told opensim app is a web page???
2021-06-03 15:13 <Ubit> the idea of sl as web3d as a fail, long ago..
2021-06-03 15:13 <JeffKelley> bc it uses http ?
2021-06-03 15:13 <Ubit> http is just a protocol
2021-06-03 15:15 <Ubit> but not exploring that question  more :)
2021-06-03 15:15 <Ubit> no idea..
2021-06-03 15:15 <JeffKelley> all big corps leaved the ship : ibm, intel, name them
2021-06-03 15:15 <Ubit> and who made GDPR have neither
2021-06-03 15:16 <Ubit> because they made it thinking about very specific targets
2021-06-03 15:16 <Ubit> what ship? SL ?
2021-06-03 15:16 <Ubit> they all did
2021-06-03 15:25 <JeffKelley> unfortunately, ppl who design GDPR and other regulation uses martian language, last fad is : " number-dependant (number-independant) interpersonal communication services "; good luck with that
2021-06-03 15:26 <Ubit> ofc they use martian language.. who would hire lawyers if not?
2021-06-03 15:27 <JeffKelley> nobody told them that ip addresses were numbers
2021-06-03 15:27 <Ubit> and how could rich ppl bypass them if not 
2021-06-03 15:28 <Ubit> laws are only made for those who can't pay a lawyer good enough to understand their martian language and so bypass them :p
2021-06-03 15:29 <JeffKelley> for a technician, that makes absolutely no sense
2021-06-03 15:30 <Ubit> and EU ppl? they even failed to make a proper contract with astrazeneca vax suppliers
2021-06-03 15:31 <JeffKelley> Definition of a Number Based ICS (Interpersonal Communication System) : An ICS which connects with publicly assigned numbering resources or enables communication with a number
2021-06-03 15:31 <JeffKelley> so the whole internet is NB-ICS
2021-06-03 15:32 <Ubit> and that is a very useless definition :p
2021-06-03 15:32 <Ubit> non sense even
2021-06-03 15:32 <JeffKelley> maybe in their head number = phone number ? no idea
2021-06-03 15:32 <Ubit> do they even know what is a number?
2021-06-03 15:33 <Ubit> 0xffff is a number?
2021-06-03 15:33 <JeffKelley> if you can you message 0xffff, i guess yes
2021-06-03 15:34 <Ubit> no idea what that talk is all about
2021-06-03 15:34 <Ubit> indentifiers are like numbers, bc it is convinient to do so
2021-06-03 15:34 <Ubit> identifiers..
2021-06-03 15:35 <Ubit> but no idea
2021-06-03 15:40 <JeffKelley> osGetGridNick() { return "Hippos"; }
2021-06-03 15:40 <osjenkins> Starting build #7572 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-06-03 15:44 <Ubit> put "hippos" on robust.ini :p
2021-06-03 15:45 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7572: SUCCESS in 6 min 8 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7572/
2021-06-03 15:45 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: fix osGetGridNick() i did break on recent commit
2021-06-03 15:48 <Ubit> i changed the ..Name.. then just did c&p and forgot to change Name to Nick :p
2021-06-03 15:49 <Plugh> Just keeping you on your toes. :)
2021-06-03 15:49 <Ubit> only bc i decided to use the fancy trigraph thing instead of the simpler if(..)
2021-06-04 17:34 <osmantis> Bug #6056:04 CHANGED_OWNER not firing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6056 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-04 22:03 <JeffKelley> are you sure // comments are allowed in Nini files?
2021-06-04 22:03 <JeffKelley> it breaks Config::IniFiles for sure
2021-06-04 22:03 <JeffKelley> StandaloneCommon.ini.example line 255
2021-06-04 22:03 <JeffKelley> StandaloneCommon.ini.example line 257
2021-06-04 22:04 <Ubit> yeack
2021-06-04 22:04 <Ubit> more?
2021-06-04 22:05 <Ubit> dont see that
2021-06-04 22:06 <Ubit>     ;; a http page for grid status
2021-06-04 22:06 <Ubit>     ;GridStatus = ${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}/GridStatus
2021-06-04 22:06 <JeffKelley> why // in my repo ?
2021-06-04 22:07 <Ubit> no idea
2021-06-04 22:07 <JeffKelley>     // a http page for grid status
2021-06-04 22:07 <JeffKelley>     ;GridStatus = ${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}/GridStatus
2021-06-04 22:07 <JeffKelley>     // a RSS page for grid status
2021-06-04 22:07 <JeffKelley>     ;GridStatusRSS = ${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}/GridStatusRSS
2021-06-04 22:07 <JeffKelley> checking another repo ...
2021-06-04 22:07 <Ubit>     ;; a http page for grid status
2021-06-04 22:07 <Ubit>     ;GridStatus = ${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}/GridStatus
2021-06-04 22:07 <Ubit>     ;; a RSS page for grid status
2021-06-04 22:07 <Ubit>     ;GridStatusRSS = ${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}/GridStatusRSS
2021-06-04 22:08 <JeffKelley> other repo is correct
2021-06-04 22:09 <Ubit> also at https://bitbucket.org/opensimulator/opensim/src/master/bin/config-include/StandaloneCommon.ini.example
2021-06-04 22:11 <JeffKelley> i'm going to scratch this mirror and resync it
2021-06-04 22:12 <Ubit> ty
2021-06-04 22:14 <JeffKelley> / are now ;;
2021-06-04 22:14 <Ubit> get yr git got confused
2021-06-04 22:14 <Ubit> guess
2021-06-04 22:15 <JeffKelley> i can't explain that
2021-06-04 22:20 <JeffKelley> Config::IniFiles is really cool to edit ini files
2021-06-05 12:59 <osmantis> Bug #6056:04 CHANGED_OWNER not firing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6056 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-05 13:00 <Tampa> Fires three times and then a changed position
2021-06-05 13:00 <Tampa> Bit weird
2021-06-05 13:00 <Ubit> guezz goe calls it
2021-06-05 13:00 <Ubit> aand guess
2021-06-05 13:01 <Tampa> [05:57] Random Person: Test
2021-06-05 13:01 <Tampa> [05:58] Object: 128
2021-06-05 13:01 <Tampa> [05:58] Object: Master is Random Person
2021-06-05 13:01 <Tampa> [05:58] Object: 128
2021-06-05 13:01 <Tampa> [05:58] Object: Master is Random Person
2021-06-05 13:01 <Tampa> [05:58] Object: 128
2021-06-05 13:01 <Tampa> [05:58] Object: Master is Random Person
2021-06-05 13:01 <Tampa> [05:58] Grid: Delivery of free object succeeded
2021-06-05 13:01 <Tampa> Object Name: Object
2021-06-05 13:01 <Tampa> [05:59] Object: 32768
2021-06-05 13:01 <Tampa> That's hilarious
2021-06-05 13:01 <Tampa> Voodoo xD
2021-06-05 13:02 <Ubit> just mk sure owner is set 
2021-06-05 13:02 <Ubit> triple redundance.. standard one :p
2021-06-05 13:02 <Tampa> I am selling back and forth the original prim, it fires three times and then a minute later a changed position event for no reason
2021-06-05 13:02 <Tampa> I mean if you ever rely on changed events you got plenty to go around haha
2021-06-05 13:03 <Ubit> well gues it seen a change on position
2021-06-05 13:03 <Ubit> a very silly event opensim decide to add
2021-06-05 13:03 <Tampa> ghosts or aliens
2021-06-05 13:03 <Tampa> maybe both
2021-06-05 13:03 <Tampa> alien ghosts of mars
2021-06-05 13:04 <Ubit> that position even should had never need added
2021-06-05 13:04 <Ubit> it is folish.. 
2021-06-05 13:04 <Ubit> flood etc etc
2021-06-05 13:17 <Tampa> Hm you know that gives me an idea
2021-06-05 13:18 <Tampa> We have this yoptions; thing to enable additional functions right, what about a light; directive that disables some useless functions that only cause flood?
2021-06-05 13:18 <Tampa> Changed position and some other crap?
2021-06-05 13:33 <Tampa> er...
2021-06-05 13:33 <Tampa> hm
2021-06-05 13:33 <Tampa> What are all these yoptions?
2021-06-05 14:31 <Ubit> things for you to not touch :p
2021-06-05 14:31 <Ubit> they are old xmr things possible to be deleted, or changed
2021-06-05 14:32 <Ubit> only the ones on wiki should stay
2021-06-05 14:56 <osmantis> Bug #6056:04 CHANGED_OWNER not firing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6056 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-05 15:32 <Tampa> The arrays look useful I'd keep those
2021-06-05 15:44 <Ubit> not really
2021-06-05 15:44 <Ubit> (bc how they are made.. )
2021-06-05 15:46 <Tampa> Are lists really that much better though
2021-06-05 15:46 <Ubit> no
2021-06-05 15:47 <Ubit> but those arrays are not that better
2021-06-05 15:47 <Tampa> Never said they were just that they looked useful
2021-06-05 15:48 <Ubit> we do need simple unidimension single type that is just .net optimized one
2021-06-05 15:48 <Ubit> that those are not it
2021-06-05 15:48 <Tampa> You mean like var?
2021-06-05 15:48 <Ubit> xmr devs just went duplicating c# adding classes etc
2021-06-05 15:49 <Ubit> and making arrays totally on top of htat
2021-06-05 15:49 <Ubit> so not that much better than current lists
2021-06-05 15:49 <Tampa> Could use dictionary, but aren't those static?
2021-06-05 15:50 <Ubit> why dictionary jezz
2021-06-05 15:50 <Tampa> Cause better than writing 30 vars out I guess
2021-06-05 15:50 <Ubit> traditional arrays than can mean performance are the simple single type, one dimension ones
2021-06-05 15:51 <Ubit> no point on 2 dimension or more that can be easily added on single dim
2021-06-05 15:51 <Tampa> Which are basically not much more than lists, multidimension arrays are quite useful though if only to nest data
2021-06-05 15:52 <Ubit> do not tell nonsense
2021-06-05 15:52 <Ubit> lists are slower
2021-06-05 15:52 <Tampa> I'm not talking performance, I'm talking usability, readability, easier to understand and use
2021-06-05 15:52 <Ubit> bc they are multitype the neeed to be made from a array og c# objects
2021-06-05 15:53 <Ubit> eat int added to it needs a object to point to it, and the object added to the list
2021-06-05 15:53 <Ubit> of float etc
2021-06-05 15:53 <Ubit> all need encapsulation on a object
2021-06-05 15:53 <Tampa> Array access is notoriously slow, making it fast is a science in itself
2021-06-05 15:53 <Ubit> that is damm slow
2021-06-05 15:54 <Ubit> NO
2021-06-05 15:54 <Ubit> array access is fast
2021-06-05 15:54 <Ubit> porper simple arrays
2021-06-05 15:55 <Ubit> intel cpus even have a single instrution to compute the final address
2021-06-05 15:55 <Ubit> the lea things
2021-06-05 15:55 <Tampa> I'm looking at it from perspective of sorting arrays, tons of compares going on, access and write as well
2021-06-05 15:55 <Ubit> ie addr = base addr + index * size
2021-06-05 15:56 <Tampa> That's a good measure of performance to benchmark a new language for example
2021-06-05 15:56 <Ubit> that is a single intel cpu instruction
2021-06-05 15:56 <Ubit> for the normal types sizes
2021-06-05 15:56 <Ubit> ie 1,2,4 and 8 byyrd
2021-06-05 15:56 <Tampa> I'm just saying while they can be slow and bad, multi dimension arrays are quite useful for a lot of things
2021-06-05 15:57 <Ubit> all languages have those simple array types
2021-06-05 15:57 <Tampa> Like a chess game is much easier made when you represent the board as array
2021-06-05 15:57 <Ubit> not LSL,, because..
2021-06-05 15:57 <Ubit> yes arrays are basic things
2021-06-05 15:57 <Ubit> that ll decide to leave out lsl
2021-06-05 15:58 <Tampa> I ran into a brick wall writing an othello game in LSL because I could not get it working "smoothly" it took too long to compute the lists
2021-06-05 15:58 <Ubit> well some languages also only have things like lsl list
2021-06-05 15:58 <Tampa> Even tried just making static variables for all fields on the board, which worked a bit better, still slow
2021-06-05 15:58 <Ubit> reason why they died and no one uses them
2021-06-05 15:59 <Ubit> yeah lists are heavy bc what i said
2021-06-05 15:59 <Tampa> So that's why I was gonna use those array things see if they work any better as direct replacement for the lists, never mind that it would be a bit easier to read the code using them compared to lists
2021-06-05 16:00 <Ubit> again.. the way they are made does not make them any better than lists
2021-06-05 16:00 <Ubit> in performance terms
2021-06-05 16:00 <Ubit> for arrays to work, we need to gen IL very similar to vs does
2021-06-05 16:00 <Ubit> using the same .net low level suport
2021-06-05 16:01 <Ubit> so JIT can grab it and super optimize it
2021-06-05 16:01 <Ubit> as it does here and there on native c#
2021-06-05 16:01 <Tampa> Even if the performance is the same, certainly easier to read and debug than lists are for this type of game code
2021-06-05 16:01 <Ubit> a simple thing like Array.Copy
2021-06-05 16:02 <Ubit> if jit can identify it, it does it even using ssl 256bits copies
2021-06-05 16:02 <Ubit> ssl?? sse
2021-06-05 16:02 <Ubit> actually smid
2021-06-05 16:03 <Ubit> well and possivel 128bt only.. 256 and 512bit simd is crap
2021-06-05 16:04 <Tampa> Isn't that all the more reason to leave that stuff in there so it can be fixed if someone really is interested? Well I'll play with them a bit see what I get up to, it looks useful... maybe not fast
2021-06-05 16:04 <Ubit> basicly jit uses standard c optimized memory copy, if it does detect it should
2021-06-05 16:04 <Tampa> I already have a second script just to provide the game board data right cause that ended up working faster than putting it in the same script, probably because it does not wait for list operations anymore either
2021-06-05 16:04 <Ubit> unf.. the away xmr reinvented objcts and classes.. that fails to glue to jit speedups
2021-06-05 16:05 <Tampa> Writing minigames is a lot more work to get to behave nicely
2021-06-05 16:05 <Tampa> Was even thinking about going about enabling the direct C# script engine thing again
2021-06-05 16:05 <Tampa> Though that probably is a security nightmare
2021-06-05 16:05 <Ubit> ofc some appealing on that classes thing..  reason why code is still there 
2021-06-05 16:06 <Ubit> nopes
2021-06-05 16:06 <Ubit> old c# was jsut calling .net 4.0 native compiler
2021-06-05 16:07 <Ubit> there since .nrt4.0 but just .net4.0 level
2021-06-05 16:07 <Ubit> not sure it even works on .net5
2021-06-05 16:07 <Ubit> and we cna't do that
2021-06-05 16:08 <Tampa> The point it struggles on is computing what dots to flip round when a player overrides them right, no matter what that just won't run fast enough to make the game feel "smooth" I got it good enough to be acceptable, but if I make the board bigger it gets exponentially worse
2021-06-05 16:08 <Ubit> using the full compiler allows ppl to format the entire disk with a script
2021-06-05 16:08 <Ubit> and very hard to prevent that
2021-06-05 16:08 <Tampa> I can either try to find a better method to compute or there is some magic function to help
2021-06-05 16:08 <Ubit> so nopes.. full c# is a No No
2021-06-05 16:09 <Tampa> Plus with lists is a pain to figure out what goes wrong when it does and I kept running out of space
2021-06-05 16:09 <Ubit> also a issue with X was the lsl to c# converter
2021-06-05 16:09 <Ubit> that is broken
2021-06-05 16:09 <Tampa> Them casino grids just add their own shit on top as well which is a total nightmare
2021-06-05 16:10 <Tampa> Nuclear reactors are more safe to be around xD
2021-06-05 16:10 <Ubit> :)
2021-06-05 16:14 <osmantis> Bug #6056:04 CHANGED_OWNER not firing 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=6056 ): has been UPDATED.
2021-06-05 16:15 <Tampa> rofl it still does that random change position even if I just rez it out
2021-06-05 16:16 <Tampa> I'll dig in there see if I can figure out why
2021-06-05 16:21 <osmantis> Bug #8857:04 [Sun] features in OpenSim.ini don't seem to do anything 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8857 ): has been RESOLVED.
2021-06-05 16:24 <osmantis> Bug #8849:04 My Grid OpenSim turns off after a few seconds 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8849 ): has been RESOLVED.
2021-06-05 16:26 <osmantis> Bug #8851:04 Feature request Grid User table wiping 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8851 ): has been UPDATED.
2021-06-05 16:26 <osmantis> Bug #8852:04 osSetParcelMusicURL does'nt work 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8852 ): has been RESOLVED.
2021-06-05 16:27 <osmantis> Bug #8833:04 Same Avatar can login multiple times in the same HG if it TPs to any other HG 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8833 ): has been RESOLVED.
2021-06-05 16:29 <osmantis> Bug #8813:04 My Suitcase is broken due to invalid folder type specification. 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8813 ): has been RESOLVED.
2021-06-05 16:30 <Tampa> Spring cleaning heh
2021-06-05 16:34 <osmantis> Bug #8782:04 Update the build docs for readability, add OpenSim.ini to the gitignore 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8782 ): has been RESOLVED.
2021-06-05 16:36 <osmantis> Bug #8713:04 building issue 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8713 ): has been RESOLVED.
2021-06-05 16:37 <osmantis> Bug #8886:04 Behavior of first Login on Standalone changed 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8886 ): has been RESOLVED.
2021-06-05 16:38 <osmantis> Bug #8503:04 When Avi gets up after sitting he makes an unnatural air jump 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8503 ): has been RESOLVED.
2021-06-05 17:21 <JeffKelley> LSL lists are not lists because they lack the operations that apply to lists : head, next, prev ; they are a substitute for arrays, and a bad one since they also lack the indexing operator ; ideally, the whole llList* things should have been promoted to language constructs like l[i], l[i:j], l.append, l.insert, l.remove, l.length ... ; still ideally, lists of stride 2 should be accessible with l['key'] instead of i = LlListFin
2021-06-05 17:21 <JeffKelley> dList(key), val=llList2*(i+1) ; *that* would reconcile programmers with LSL
2021-06-05 17:22 <JeffKelley> end of dissertation :)
2021-06-05 17:22 <Ubit> thx for keeping it short 
2021-06-05 17:22 <Ubit> :p
2021-06-05 19:45 <osmantis> Bug #8612:04 Robust config save includes comments 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8612 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-05 19:46 <Tampa> Wonder if that compiles...
2021-06-05 19:51 <osmantis> Bug #8601:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] add a new on_error event 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8601 ): has been RESOLVED.
2021-06-05 19:53 <osmantis> Bug #8522:04 MAP-uuid.png images location improvement 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8522 ): has been RESOLVED.
2021-06-05 22:06 <osmantis> Bug #8537:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osDate 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8537 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2021-06-05 22:06 <Tampa> This should make djphil happy
2021-06-05 22:06 <Tampa> I hope
2021-06-05 22:08 <Tampa> In 4.6 there is a lot of new datetime stuff which is neat, but oh boy timezones are... my brain hurts
2021-06-05 22:10 <Ubit> dont we have that somewhere?
2021-06-05 22:12 <Tampa>  osUnixTimeToTimestamp does not accept custom format
2021-06-05 22:14 <Tampa> It's really just a direct access to DateTime.ToString() which is useful.. I guess
2021-06-05 22:15 <Tampa> I do actually have a large clock date time thing that this might come in handy for
2021-06-05 23:03 <Plugh> Tampa: Dealing with timezones is usually a pita.
2021-06-05 23:15 <Tampa> Wanted to make it default to pst but then there is pdt and... my brain hurts
2021-06-05 23:16 <Tampa> so it just does utc
2021-06-06 02:55 <RusCybernetics> Hey friends. How do decision process is build here at the developers team? What to read on this?
2021-06-06 02:57 <RusCybernetics> I'd like to add optional support for our new libmoney which is planned as "All-in-one library for fiat, cryptocurrencies, and other types of money, et cetera, et al" "Money Layer Antarctica Glacier GPLv3 Open-Source Innovative (forkable) PAAS."
2021-06-06 02:57 <RusCybernetics> I think this would vitalize the Open Simulator ecosystems. Right?
2021-06-06 02:58 <RusCybernetics> s/do decision process is build/is the decision process built/
2021-06-06 02:59 <RusCybernetics> So I have two projects: 1. a fork of OpenSim that I would be grateful to merge to upstream and 2. libmoney AKA "Money Layer Antarctica Glacier" based on zeroc.com ice/glacier/etc
2021-06-06 03:00 <RusCybernetics> Currently both repos are empty; I am planning.
2021-06-06 03:05 <RusCybernetics> Repos are, for future instance:
2021-06-06 03:05 <RusCybernetics>  * {¤} https://github.com/RussianCybernetics/libmoney
2021-06-06 03:05 <RusCybernetics>  * {💥} https://gitlab.com/RusCybernetics/CRYPTOVR
2021-06-06 03:06 <RusCybernetics> Here's my wiki page: https://gitlab.com/RusCybernetics/CRYPTOVR/-/wikis/home
2021-06-06 03:12 -!- Aramis^(~Aramis@cpe-74-77-250-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) has left #opensim-dev
2021-06-06 03:31 <osmantis> Bug #8898:04 [Feature Suggestion] I'd like to implement any money layer for OpenSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8898 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-06-06 03:34 <osmantis> Bug #8898:04 [Feature Suggestion] I'd like to implement any money layer for OpenSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8898 ): has been UPDATED.
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2021-06-06 07:19 <Aramis^> Go to sleep kitty!
2021-06-06 08:00 <DevOutreach> Greetings Programs!!
2021-06-06 08:00 <DevOutreach> Testing Dev Outreach Update notification bash script
2021-06-06 08:00 <DevOutreach> bye
2021-06-06 08:17 <osmantis> Bug #8898:04 [Feature Suggestion] I'd like to implement any money layer for OpenSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8898 ): has been UPDATED.
2021-06-06 13:09 <osmantis> Bug #8898:04 [Feature Suggestion] I'd like to implement any money layer for OpenSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8898 ): has been UPDATED.
2021-06-06 13:17 <osmantis> Bug #8898:04 [Feature Suggestion] I'd like to implement any money layer for OpenSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8898 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-06 13:44 <osmantis> Bug #8478:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osParticleSystem & osLinkParticleSystem 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8478 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-06 13:45 <osmantis> Bug #8478:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osParticleSystem & osLinkParticleSystem 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8478 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2021-06-06 13:46 <Tampa> 72f7009b1067771b8854722ccfc6a6e1a847ac71
2021-06-06 13:46 <Tampa> ee4fd874639c49b6e581cea39d7878b530cfbe6d
2021-06-06 13:46 <Tampa> e25b05a454aabb87cce83f7a21caf5a4c7923ec8
2021-06-06 13:47 <Tampa> @djphil
2021-06-06 13:47 <djphil> ??
2021-06-06 13:47 <Tampa> those are commit hashes
2021-06-06 13:47 <Tampa> Of the commits that add those particle functions
2021-06-06 13:56 <Tampa> Come to think of it why do these functions even exist they are just a copy of the LSL ones
2021-06-06 13:57 <djphil> What you show uses "expire option" but my request is to use "primID as target". This is not currently implemented, unless I am mistaken.
2021-06-06 13:58 <djphil> and no, they are not identical to SL, they use "expire option" to properly stop the particles
2021-06-06 13:59 <osmantis> Bug #8478:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osParticleSystem & osLinkParticleSystem 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8478 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2021-06-06 14:00 <Tampa> Hm okay let's see, well need new names for them then
2021-06-06 14:02 <djphil> Well let's say that my initial name has been spoofed (lol).
2021-06-06 14:02 <djphil> But it could very well simply be added uuid in parameters of the current functions without requiring yet other functions.
2021-06-06 14:02 <djphil> In this case there would be 2 differences with SL ;)
2021-06-06 14:03 <Ubit> 
ACTION is very afk, not looking

2021-06-06 14:03 <Ubit> ohh dang
2021-06-06 14:03 <Ubit> ok back to real afk :p
2021-06-06 14:04 <Tampa> er...
2021-06-06 14:04 <Tampa> hm
2021-06-06 14:04 <Tampa> Now I'm even more confused
2021-06-06 14:04 <Tampa> osRemoteParticleSystem sounds weird
2021-06-06 14:04 <Tampa> osPrimParticleSystem maybe?
2021-06-06 14:05 <djphil> Why anoter name ?
2021-06-06 14:05 <Tampa> Because adding a uuid list parameter is quite a bit more difficult than having it as fixed function parameter
2021-06-06 14:06 <Tampa> Overwriting the existing function definition with another is also not good
2021-06-06 14:06 <djphil> Just one param more ...
2021-06-06 14:06 <djphil> osParticleSystem(Key PrimID, LSL_List rules, LSL_Integer expire);
2021-06-06 14:06 <djphil> osLinkParticleSystem(Key PrimID, LSL_List rules, LSL_Integer expire);
2021-06-06 14:07 <djphil> Anyway the wiki is not yet up to date on these 2 functions ... so nobody uses them 99%. So we can still improve them.
2021-06-06 14:11 <Tampa> Slight hiccup, for links to work need to fetch the sceneobjectgroup, but there is no function for that either
2021-06-06 14:13 <djphil> Well according to my it would simply be necessary to use the LSL constant >>> PRIM_LINK_TARGET
2021-06-06 14:13 <djphil> Couldn't he?
2021-06-06 14:13 <Tampa> Ubit what's the difference between SceneObjectPart and SceneObjectGroup?
2021-06-06 14:14 <djphil> or like this:
2021-06-06 14:14 <djphil> osLinkParticleSystem (Key PrimID, interger LinkNumber, LSL_List rules, LSL_Integer expires);
2021-06-06 14:14 <Ubit> duhh last is the linkset
2021-06-06 14:15 <Tampa> public static List<SceneObjectPart> GetLinkParts(SceneObjectPart part, int linkType)
2021-06-06 14:15 <Tampa> Why is that part then?
2021-06-06 14:15 <Tampa> Or is that just to figure out the type of link?
2021-06-06 14:24 <Tampa> GetLinkParts takes sceneobjectpart, that'll blow up if I feed it a sceneobjectgroup
2021-06-06 14:25 <Tampa> How should that be converted?
2021-06-06 14:58 <djphil> and tyvm for osDate Tampa :)
2021-06-06 15:12 <Tampa> I been going through your feature requests see what can be implemented relatively easily, some stuff is quite complex to do unfortunately, outside of my understanding
2021-06-06 15:12 <Tampa> Copy pasting and shuffling some code around is easy though
2021-06-06 15:17 <djphil> The walk must have been long, I still have 88 at the moment :p
2021-06-06 15:18 <djphil> However, some are already implemented in other branches of opensim. I imagine it is easier for you to wear them on the master in this case
2021-06-06 15:22 <djphil> Have you ever looked to implement llKeyFrameMotion fully?
2021-06-06 15:22 <djphil> There is always something physical preventing its 100% implementation
2021-06-06 15:22 <djphil> ( #7167 )
2021-06-06 15:27 <Tampa> I don't exactly understand what that even does xD
2021-06-06 15:28 <djphil> Try the scripts on SL and then try in OS ... you will quickly understand
2021-06-06 15:28 <djphil> The elevator is solved but not yet the carousel
2021-06-06 15:30 -!- slk(~oyk@46.19.33.7) has left #opensim-dev
2021-06-06 15:30 <Tampa> Ah the old escalator thing
2021-06-06 15:30 <Tampa> Hm
2021-06-06 15:30 <Tampa> Yeah I don't exactly understand how any of the physics stuff works
2021-06-06 15:35 <Tampa> I'm sure Ubit could fix that... if he wanted to
2021-06-06 15:35 <Tampa> if...
2021-06-06 15:35 <Tampa> We'll just have to make him :}
2021-06-06 15:36 <djphil> For yesterday :}
2021-06-06 15:38 <Tampa> ...
2021-06-06 15:38 <Tampa> so particles work
2021-06-06 15:38 <Tampa> hehe
2021-06-06 15:39 <djphil> Ha cool, good new :)
2021-06-06 15:41 <osmantis> Bug #8478:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osParticleSystem & osLinkParticleSystem 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8478 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2021-06-06 15:41 <Tampa> There you go :D
2021-06-06 15:42 <djphil> It's Christmas for me today :)
2021-06-06 15:42 <Tampa> Normally this would probably get a threat level, at least I think it probably should, but evidently they are meant to go away anyways so I won't bother for now
2021-06-06 15:42 <Tampa> Ubit will probably know which one is appropriate for it
2021-06-06 16:49 <Plugh> djphil: What is missing in the implementation of llKFM?
2021-06-06 16:57 <djphil> The caroussel capability (move the avatar on a rotating platform) Used the example script t it @ http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7167o test
2021-06-06 17:17 <DevOutreach> Greetings Programs!!
2021-06-06 17:17 <DevOutreach> Testing Dev Outreach Update notification bash script
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2021-06-06 17:27 <DevOutreach> Testing Dev Outreach Update notification bash script
2021-06-06 18:12 <Plugh> djphil: Carousel mode? Hm... is that new?
2021-06-06 18:12 <Plugh> 
ACTION looks at the docs.

2021-06-06 18:13 <Plugh> I don't see it mentioned in the LSL wiki.
2021-06-06 18:15 <Plugh> Ah. Just read the mantis. Vertical movement works because you are standing on a physical prim. Handling side to side motion would be nice but is more a physics engine issue than one of KFM.
2021-06-06 18:16 <djphil> It's not a mode, it's just something that needs to happen when an avatar is on a spinning platform. He must move with the platform and not stand still. There must be a friction that makes the avatar move.
2021-06-06 18:16 <djphil> Try the script on second life and see what happens. Then try in opensim, you will quickly see what does not happen
2021-06-06 18:17 <djphil> https://pastebin.com/665z780A
2021-06-06 18:18 <Bill_Blight> You can use os functions to make the avatar auto sit , with a standing animation, on the prim, did it with my monorail a long time ago ..  
2021-06-06 18:18 <Bill_Blight> once sitting you can move them anywhere
2021-06-06 18:18 <djphil> Yes indeed Plug it seems more of a physics engine problem
2021-06-06 18:19 <djphil> I have enough bypass now Bill, thanks :p
2021-06-06 19:11 <Tampa> Is that proposals page a list of all the feature requests you made?
2021-06-06 19:12 <djphil> What page are you talking about?
2021-06-06 19:18 <Tampa> on the wiki ossl propsals or whatever it is called
2021-06-06 19:19 <djphil> I only added one or two, most of them are on the mantis. The other ossl proposals are all in old things. Normally there is a column in the table to say who is the author.
2021-06-06 19:23 <djphil> i see only osDrawFilledEllipse from me ...
2021-06-06 19:24 <Tampa> It would be good to have a list of all the feature requests, I might just sit down and implement some of them if they happen to be easy
2021-06-06 19:25 <djphil> On the mantis they are all marked with "[FEATURE REQUEST]" (I speak for mine).
2021-06-06 19:57 <osmantis> Bug #8483:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] llGetEnvironment not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8483 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-06 20:06 <Tampa> I found another thing I think I can implement, but the rest might be more difficult
2021-06-06 20:06 <Tampa> Some of these requests are... uff
2021-06-06 20:07 <Tampa> osGetAvatarProperties is a ton of work since well you kinda want it to work over HG too which is a pain
2021-06-06 20:07 <Tampa> Because somehow the data is not consistent, it only sends things that are set so if there is no profile pic it does not send an empty nullkey
2021-06-06 20:07 <Tampa> Major headache that one
2021-06-06 20:08 <Tampa> osKey2Name and hg still don't work so can't even steal code from that
2021-06-06 20:08 <Tampa> The group stuff... well I got some parts of that but not all
2021-06-06 20:09 <Tampa> And pulling in textures for blending I looked at before, no code to pull for that either plus the way dynamic textures are done is super complex
2021-06-06 20:10 <Tampa> Probably best bet to find who wrote that system and have them do it cause the code is too complex to read for me at least
2021-06-06 20:11 <JeffKelley> HG : same when you open a remote avatar's profile : may or may not be filled depending if he came on your grid, when, what is in db, what is in cache, so on
2021-06-06 20:13 <JeffKelley> you can resolve key to name if it is in GridUsers but this has proven to be unreliable
2021-06-06 20:29 <Tampa> Technically you can send a xmlrpc request off to the remote grid and get user info back so long as you know the endpoint to ask
2021-06-06 20:29 <Tampa> I wrote a script for that, but the return is a bit of a mess to parse
2021-06-06 21:10 <JeffKelley> you are assuming the remote grid is online ; the hypergrid is a conglomerate of volatile grids with island of stability
2021-06-06 21:10 <JeffKelley> islandS
2021-06-06 21:11 <Tampa> Well a no connect is not complicated to handle, simple ping or just handling a connect timeout
2021-06-06 21:11 <Tampa> Can always cache that data as well
2021-06-06 22:12 <Tampa> osPrimSetTextureAnim and osPrimLinkSetTextureAnim seem to work
2021-06-06 22:17 <osmantis> Bug #8526:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] osSetTextureAnim & osSetLinkTextureAnim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8526 ): has a PATCH to be looked at.
2021-06-06 22:17 <Tampa> I mean okay it does an owner check so technically you cannot mess with prims you don't own
2021-06-06 23:26 <DevOutreach> Greetings Programs!!
2021-06-06 23:26 <DevOutreach> This is a test, DevOutreach message to IRC bash script.
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2021-06-06 23:31 <DevOutreach> Greetings Programs!!
2021-06-06 23:31 <DevOutreach> This is a test, DevOutreach message to IRC bash script.
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2021-06-06 23:35 <DevOutreach> Greetings Programs!!
2021-06-06 23:35 <DevOutreach> This is a test, DevOutreach message to IRC bash script.
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2021-06-06 23:36 <Tampa> Did that bot just assume my...
2021-06-06 23:57 <Bill_Blight> if anything it assumed your programming language ...
2021-06-07 03:01 <DevOutreach> Greetings Programs!!
2021-06-07 03:01 <DevOutreach> Testing
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2021-06-07 03:04 <DevOutreach> Greetings Programs!!
2021-06-07 03:04 <DevOutreach> test 
2021-06-07 03:04 <DevOutreach> testing 123
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2021-06-07 03:11 <DevOutreach> Greetings Programs!!
2021-06-07 03:11 <DevOutreach> "Testing passing \na variable in the url\nFor LSL usage"
2021-06-07 03:11 <DevOutreach> bye
2021-06-07 03:20 <Plugh> Hm... It didn't handle newlines very well.
2021-06-07 04:39 <DevOutreach> Greetings Programs!!
2021-06-07 04:39 <DevOutreach> Test2 to
2021-06-07 04:39 <DevOutreach> see if
2021-06-07 04:39 <DevOutreach> newlines
2021-06-07 04:39 <DevOutreach> work
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2021-06-07 04:45 <osmantis> Bug #8898:04 [Feature Suggestion] I'd like to implement any money layer for OpenSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8898 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-07 04:47 <osmantis> Bug #8898:04 [Feature Suggestion] I'd like to implement any money layer for OpenSim 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8898 ): has been RESOLVED.
2021-06-07 07:50 <osmantis> Bug #8483:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] llGetEnvironment not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8483 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
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2021-06-07 14:52 <osjenkins> Starting build #7573 for job opensim » mono-5.12 (previous build: SUCCESS)
2021-06-07 14:57 <osjenkins> Project opensim » mono-5.12 build #7573: SUCCESS in 6 min 48 sec: http://jenkins.opensimulator.org/job/opensim/MONO_VERSION=mono-5.12/7573/
2021-06-07 14:57 <osjenkins> ajlduarte: put back a lludp received buffers queue for usecircuit processing
2021-06-07 20:17 <osmantis> Bug #8483:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] llGetEnvironment not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8483 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2021-06-07 20:45 <Tampa> @djphil thanks for checking :)
2021-06-07 20:48 <djphil> yw
2021-06-08 11:49 <osmantis> Bug #8483:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] llGetEnvironment not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8483 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-08 12:21 <osmantis> Bug #8483:04 [FEATURE REQUEST] llGetEnvironment not implemented 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8483 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-08 12:25 <Tampa> Only looked at it briefly, not sure if that environment object can be imported like that, but the data is there... somewhere
2021-06-08 12:31 <Ubit> and sounds like a ll mistake
2021-06-08 12:31 <Ubit> they wanted settings to be a trade thing..
2021-06-08 12:31 <Ubit> them let all read it, once on region
2021-06-08 12:42 <Tampa> There is also a lot more data in that object compared to what it outputs and it's not clear what order it is in either
2021-06-08 16:39 <Bill_Blight> Unity/vivox put out an official notice saying they will be shutting off the free voice service in a few months.
2021-06-08 16:39 <Ubit> yeack
2021-06-08 16:40 <Bill_Blight> http://app.response.unity3d.com/e/es?s=795651218&e=24100321&elqTrackId=a7fc0838320d4ab99c43a716a87aa41c&elq=fa05920abf2543aea80c2da649f58c37&elqaid=30498&elqat=1
2021-06-08 16:42 <Bill_Blight> could be a few months , could be a couple years from the tone of the message ..
2021-06-08 16:45 <Ubit> " In the meantime, we encourage OpenSim grid owners using the World Voice service integration to find supported alternatives at their earliest convenience."
2021-06-08 16:52 <djphil> ... hopefully it will be the same for users of opensim
2021-06-08 16:55 <JeffKelley> hopefully ?
2021-06-08 16:55 <djphil> a few more months ...
2021-06-08 16:56 <JeffKelley> few monthes, few weeks, few days ... we must have a backup solution today
2021-06-08 16:56 <Bill_Blight> The only thing that is talking about is Opensim, so yes applies to opensim users
2021-06-08 16:57 <Bill_Blight> we actually needed a solution last  year . but who's counting
2021-06-08 16:58 <JeffKelley> new grids are deaf, that't the situation today; we push them to install external mumble servers
2021-06-08 16:58 <Ubit> same old issue..  voice is 90% viewer side
2021-06-08 16:59 <Bill_Blight> yes wihtout viewer support does not matter what voice solution you come up with
2021-06-08 16:59 <JeffKelley> not sure there is even a line of code to change in opensim
2021-06-08 16:59 <Bill_Blight> At the moment , old freeswitch is the only thing that will directly work
2021-06-08 17:00 <Bill_Blight> other than vivox/unity
2021-06-08 17:00 <Ubit> what backend does it use?
2021-06-08 17:00 <Bill_Blight> What freeswitch?
2021-06-08 17:00 <Ubit> yeah
2021-06-08 17:00 <Bill_Blight> it is linux based
2021-06-08 17:01 <Ubit> how does viewer vivox code work with it?
2021-06-08 17:01 <Bill_Blight> there may be a windows version floating around
2021-06-08 17:01 <Bill_Blight> the freeswitch module in opensim makes it talk to the slvoice exe
2021-06-08 17:01 <Ubit> that does nothing 
2021-06-08 17:01 <Ubit> but initial login
2021-06-08 17:02 <Bill_Blight> well there are specific configs for freeswitch too that you have to do
2021-06-08 17:02 <Bill_Blight> and they only work with an older version
2021-06-08 17:02 <Ubit> wlel guess sl vivox is basicly SIP
2021-06-08 17:03 <djphil> Opensim have core chat module, why not core voice module ? IS hard to do ?
2021-06-08 17:04 <Ubit> yes :p
2021-06-08 17:04 <djphil> okey
2021-06-08 17:04 <Ubit> why do you think there are only a few really sucesseful ?
2021-06-08 17:05 <Ubit> and tons of codecs with IP rights
2021-06-08 17:05 <djphil> I never really asked myself this question
2021-06-08 17:06 <djphil> opus is a free opensource codec ...
2021-06-08 17:06 <Bill_Blight> codec does not equal server
2021-06-08 17:07 <djphil> yes it's true, it's only part of the voice but it's already a start ... open source and better than mp3
2021-06-08 17:07 <Ubit> yeah i just mentioned codecs.. not not most relevant actually
2021-06-08 17:08 <Ubit> wel important..  but guess speex etc do it fine and free
2021-06-08 17:08 <djphil> mumble, teamspeak and others are already using it
2021-06-08 17:10 <JeffKelley> mumble have a scheme, don't know how it is handled on windows but if i click mumble://jeff@www.pescadoo.net/ i log on my mumble server
2021-06-08 17:11 <djphil> If we could just put a similar link in our opensim.ini to use mumble that would be too cool :p
2021-06-08 17:12 <Bill_Blight> it is more difficult than that, for openism voice, you need a global region channel with dynamic users, maybwe many for per parcel, then you need dynamic channels for user to user, and those users may not even be known to your grid in the case of HG users ..  so it is really a mess
2021-06-08 17:12 <Ubit> yeah guess freeswitch works bc original sl vivox is a sip phone
2021-06-08 17:12 <Ubit> no 3d sound ofc
2021-06-08 17:12 <Bill_Blight> right and loose 3d sound
2021-06-08 17:13 <JeffKelley> the way I use mumble is a disaster failover, Bill, not a hg voice replacement
2021-06-08 17:13 <Ubit> we have this
2021-06-08 17:13 <Ubit> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Freeswitch_Module
2021-06-08 17:13 <djphil> a pita under windos
2021-06-08 17:13 <djphil> windows*
2021-06-08 17:14 <JeffKelley> a Linux VPS is 5€, djphil
2021-06-08 17:15 <djphil> ok, give me 9E Jeff
2021-06-08 17:15 <Ubit> outch i can eat a full meal with 5euros
2021-06-08 17:15 <Ubit> :p
2021-06-08 17:15 <djphil> 5*
2021-06-08 17:15 <JeffKelley> but you can talk a month
2021-06-08 17:15 <Bill_Blight> renting a vps for freeswitch is generally cheaper than the power requirements to run your own
2021-06-08 17:16 <DevOutreach> Greetings Programs!!
2021-06-08 17:16 <DevOutreach> Meeting time in 45 minutes
2021-06-08 17:16 <DevOutreach> bye
2021-06-08 17:17 <osmantis> Bug #8899:04 Vivox voice will be discintinued 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8899 ): has been SUBMITTED.
2021-06-08 17:18 <osmantis> Bug #8899:04 Vivox voice will be discontinued 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8899 ): has been UPDATED.
2021-06-08 17:18 <djphil> Do you have any idea what alternative is Unity considering?
2021-06-08 17:19 <osmantis> Bug #8899:04 Vivox voice will be discontinued 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8899 ): has been UPDATED.
2021-06-08 17:19 <Bill_Blight> I seriously doubt they are going to consider anything for opensim, competing platform
2021-06-08 17:21 <djphil> I know, that wasn't my question actually ...
2021-06-08 17:21 <djphil> I wanted to say that if we know what unity is considering, maybe we could consider something similar, that would be a line of research and development.
2021-06-08 17:21 <JeffKelley> voip is a culture
2021-06-08 17:22 <Bill_Blight> SL now hosts their own vivox type servers so they are not reliant on them, so viewer support becomes an issue if moving away from that type of service ..
2021-06-08 17:49 <Tampa> I find it hilarious how their statement pretends some level of "we care about you" while not doing the thing that would actually show that very thing and that's just donating the whole deal or at least the most important parts to the OpenSim project
2021-06-08 17:50 <Tampa> It's a "please don't direct your frustrations at us we didn't do anything"
2021-06-08 17:50 <Tampa> Frankly good riddance their quality was pretty shite as is
2021-06-08 17:58 <Plugh> It does say it will affect Unity users and not just OpenSim users. I remember FreeSwitching being a pita to get setup and working.
2021-06-08 17:59 <DevOutreach> Greetings Programs!!
2021-06-08 17:59 <DevOutreach> Meeting time
2021-06-08 17:59 <DevOutreach> bye
2021-06-08 18:00 <Ubit> we are not programs
2021-06-08 18:00 <Ubit> just subroutines
2021-06-08 18:01 <Ubit> meow!!!
2021-06-08 18:02 <Plugh> I'm having trouble getting to Dev Outreach from Hurliman. The TP is taking way too long.
2021-06-08 18:02 <Ubit> we are at dev.. looks fine
2021-06-08 18:02 <Plugh> It is now about half way.
2021-06-08 18:02 <Plugh> I'm just waiting for the "ding" to tell me it failed.
2021-06-08 18:02 <Bill_Blight> try from someplace else, we have a packed house .. LOL
2021-06-08 18:03 <Plugh> I'll probalby have to kill the viewer then log in directly to the region.
2021-06-08 18:03 <Plugh> Yup. TP failed.
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2021-06-09 13:24 <osmantis> Bug #8899:04 Vivox voice will be discontinued 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8899 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-09 13:27 <osmantis> Bug #8899:04 Vivox voice will be discontinued 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8899 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-09 13:29 <osmantis> Bug #8899:04 Vivox voice will be discontinued 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8899 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-09 13:57 <osmantis> Bug #8899:04 Vivox voice will be discontinued 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8899 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-09 14:39 <osmantis> Bug #8899:04 Vivox voice will be discontinued 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8899 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-09 16:12 <karasuikari> Hello i am having an issue with hypergrid on my .9.1.1 linux/mono installation.  This is a new grid and I think i have things set.  People can tp to my grid but no one can tp out to any grid any where.  The console error i receive is https://pastebin.com/rNzX2fx1.  What can I do to fix this issue?
2021-06-09 16:34 <Plugh> karasuikari: The first thing to is double check your grid configuration. Make sure you didn't miss some settings that are part of providing Hypergrid support for the grid.
2021-06-09 16:40 <karasuikari> i have done that 4 times at this point in OpenSim.ini, Rubust.HG.ini and GridCommon.ini all HG options are open.  Like I said people can come in just not leave.  I have also made sure the OS (Ubunut 18.04) is fully up to date.
2021-06-09 16:41 <djphil> Port open on firewall ?
2021-06-09 16:41 <karasuikari> yes all ports are open
2021-06-09 16:43 <Bill_Blight> well I can assure you that , currently, there is nothing wrong in the code that would cause that, it certainly has to be a configuration or operating system issue.  What version of the code are you using?
2021-06-09 16:44 <karasuikari> 9.1.1
2021-06-09 16:44 <karasuikari> snail
2021-06-09 16:46 <karasuikari> does hyper grid use a differnt port from 8002 and 8003?
2021-06-09 16:47 <djphil> well the region port too ...
2021-06-09 16:48 <karasuikari> those ports are open otherwise wouldn't be able to connect to the region
2021-06-09 16:49 <Bill_Blight> you have UDP open as well as TCP I would assume 
2021-06-09 16:51 <karasuikari> yes
2021-06-09 16:57 <karasuikari> does OS rely on php at all for the sim/grid?
2021-06-09 16:58 <Bill_Blight> no
2021-06-09 17:02 <Tampa> When in doubt upgrade to master :}
2021-06-09 17:09 <karasuikari> Robust.HG.ini config https://pastebin.com/bj0aJb0f OpenSim.ini https://pastebin.com/0H6hBDYn GridCommon.ini https://pastebin.com/EiV55hs8  If these will help
2021-06-09 17:10 <Tampa> You don't have to set GatekeeperURI when you have the hypergrid section configured
2021-06-09 17:11 <Tampa> "If you have GatekeeperURI set under [Hypergrid], no need to set it here, leave it commented"
2021-06-09 17:31 <karasuikari> Tampa I actually just recently uncommeted that line.  but it has had no effect either way
2021-06-09 18:53 <osmantis> Bug #8899:04 Vivox voice will be discontinued 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8899 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-11 22:03 <osmantis> Bug #8899:04 Vivox voice will be discontinued 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8899 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-12 01:17 <osmantis> Bug #8899:04 Vivox voice will be discontinued 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8899 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-12 01:17 <Tampa> Gah I'm getting tired over mantis eating my replies because it takes me more than ten minutes to write them ffs
2021-06-12 01:34 <Plugh> Write them in an editor the C&P them into mantis.
2021-06-12 09:44 <osmantis> Bug #8899:04 Vivox voice will be discontinued 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8899 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2021-06-12 11:17 <osmantis> Bug #8899:04 Vivox voice will be discontinued 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8899 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-12 11:21 <osmantis> Bug #8899:04 Vivox voice will be discontinued 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8899 ): Une note a été ajoutée à ce bogue.
2021-06-12 11:26 <osmantis> Bug #8899:04 Vivox voice will be discontinued 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8899 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
2021-06-12 15:06 <osmantis> Bug #8899:04 Vivox voice will be discontinued 14( http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8899 ): A NOTE has been added to this issue.
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